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It’s Late, But Not That Late For Bronwyn Bruton

Bronwyn Bruton was one of the three individuals who provided their personal testimonies at the US Congress’s Foreign Affairs Committee (Subcommittee on Africa) on September 14, 2016.  This fact alone is an incredible feat for Ms. Bruton: a person who would have struggled to find Eritrea on a map 5 years ago is now an expert witness on the country. More impressive, she is such a gifted polemicist she can get the Government of Eritrea (GoE) to publish her testimony and her articles in government-friendly media, despite the fact that she admits that the Eritrean government is guilty of massive human rights violations. In this regard, she might be the only person on Planet Earth that publicly acknowledges the Eritrean government’ abysmal human rights records AND is still granted multiple visas to enter the country. (Quick: name someone else.) Even more impressive, she has shown over the last 18 months, that she is willing to change her mind on her core beliefs if presented with new facts, thus the title and purpose of this article.

Let me begin with the latter.  If you are like me, you may have heard of Ms Bruton as you were following developments in Somalia (2006-2013) but she was presented to you as an Eritrea witness/expert for the first time in April 2015 by VOA’s “Press Conference USA.” No need to rehash that cringe-inducing interview (all rookies need a break) other than to highlight the evolution of Ms. Bruton and the rationale for my belief that she is open to changing her mind when shown new facts.

From that interview, two issues come to mind: (1) the role of the Government of Eritrea in Somalia during its civil war; (2) the size of Eritrea’s migrant population and the triggers for the migration.  In the interview, Ms Bruton said that, as a Somalia expert, she knows that Eritrea had minimal or no role in Somalia, certainly not worthy of being sanctioned.  She also dismissed claims of the massive size of Eritrea’s migration: many of the migrants are Sudanese and Somalis, the trigger is financial: people lie and claim political persecution to “get their green card”, then once they get it, they reinstate their relationship with the Eritrean government and visit their country every summer.

The Deputy Director of the Africa Desk of The Atlantic Council gig comes with a research department and since then she has discovered that the “Eritrean government didn’t help its case by giving military support to Al Shabab, a Somalia-based affiliate of Al Qaeda.”  In her testimony on Wednesday, she also showed some empathy for the migrants: she conceded that even 3,000 a month is a large number and one of the push-factors is the abysmal human rights record of the government.

Here’s why I see Ms. Bruton eventually withdrawing her support from the Government of Eritrea and perhaps being one of its fiercest critics: Unlike the native supporters of the Government of Eritrea, whose support is intertwined with powerful emotions–Ghedli Romance, Custodians of Eritrean Sovereignty, The Last Guardians of African Independence–and unlike companies like Nevsun–whose support of the GoE is driven entirely by the profit motive–Ms. Bruton claims that her support is data-driven. In fact, her criticism of the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in Eritrea (CoI-E), as well as the State Department, is precisely because she thinks both suffer from selection bias (cherry-picking witnesses who agree with your conclusions.)  Ironically, she is guilty of the same infraction: her entire read of Eritrea is based on selection-bias: in Eritrea she speaks to government officials and whoever (tiny minority) of people who are bold enough to speak their mind (more on this later) and, in the Diaspora, she speaks not just to supporters of the government but fanatical supporters of the government like the Y-PFDJ and the Organization of Eritrean Americans (OEA.)

This is not speculation: after the testimony, my colleague Dr. Khaled Bashir asked her whom she speaks with in the Eritrean opposition to have a balanced view and she couldn’t name a single Eritrean name. That can change, if she wants it to. And I think she will want to because the career she has chosen–being a country expert–is brutal on people who get it wrong.

And none is bigger than this one that emerged during the hearing: the totalitarian nature of the Eritrean Government.  In her written testimony, Ms. Bruton had listed “myths” that persist about Eritrea which are, according to her, wrong, and # 5 is this: “The Eritrean government exerts pervasive and stifling control over every aspect of life in Eritrea.”

In the Q & A, she expounded on this and I had to rewind the video twice to make sure I got it right and I will transcribe it and provide the link:

Start 1:32:57 and ends at 1:34:06

Representative Karen Bass: So, what’s the human rights situation from your vantage point, from your viewpoint? What are the human rights abuses?

Bronwyn Bruton: I think all the human rights abuses that have been described are absolutely real.  I think that the question is, and the reason that I asked the question earlier from the intelligence officer who asked, “is there a government in Eritrea?” Are these abuses systemic? Are they the result of deliberate government policy or how much are they the result of poverty, the “no-peace-no-war”, bad behavior by people outside of Asmara that the government has poor grip on, what is the relationship between the political side of the government and the military? We have virtually no knowledge of that.  I have no doubt that the military are bad actors, the extent to which their behavior is condoned by the government? I don’t really know. I’ve talked to people, senior people,  in the government, in Asmara and I may be super naive, but sometimes I think they believe human rights abuses don’t really exist, and if they do, they are very few and far in between…

Now, really, Ms. Bruton.  If you want to understand why your two fellow panelists (Father Habtu Gebreab and  Dr. Khaled Bashir) were frustrated to the point of exasperation, and the reason Dr. Khaled Bashir, who had read your testimony, kept referencing your limited knowledge of Eritrea, is precisely because of your assessment of the nature of the government. Your newness comes with information gap that is causing you to have gotten it so devastatingly wrong on Eritrea 101: one that supporters and opponents of the government readily concede: the very nature of the People’s Front for Democracy & Justice (PFDJ) which is a continuation of the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front (EPLF) and its top-down structure and hierarchy.  If you spoke Tigrinya, you would be able to listen to President Isaias Afwerki’s annual interview with State TV where you are left with one and only one conclusion: he is a micro-manager who is in charge of everything.   (One year, he spoke of how he knows that there are people trying to violate the prohibition of moving grains from the countryside to the city by smuggling it in the form of dough.)  A few feet from you at the testimony, the reason the pro-government Eritreans were taking pictures of the Eritreans who testified is not because of curiosity but because they are part of the spying network.

There is an easy remedy for that: interview individuals who used to be part of the EPLF, or PFDJ, or the Government of Eritrea for any length of time, they will open your eyes to the fact that you are disastrously wrong on your assessment of a government that has “poor grip on” on the country outside the capital city. A country where the presidential office has no control over the military when in fact, the pervasive corruption is the price that had to be paid to maintain his absolute power.

You should follow your own advice and your recommendation to the Government of the United States: just like they should conduct due diligence and engage other parties besides Ethiopia when assessing the situation in the Horn of Africa, you should talk to Eritreans who are either active members of the opposition or those who were in senior governmental positions. I recommend you start with Dr. Khaled Bashir.  Then, maybe Ambassador Andeberhan Woldegiorigis who is scheduled to host a conference in Winnipeg, Canada just next week entitled: “Stop! 25 Years of Crimes Against Humanity in Eritrea.”

And, one more free advice on Nevsun.  As a US official once told me, the reason that the former US Chargé to Eritrea Louis Mazel appears to be on the opposite end of the State Department and a de-facto propaganda minister for the Eritrean government is because he is confined to 25 kilometers of Asmara and he is grateful anytime he is allowed outside Asmara city limits.  Nevusn is the kind of  company that is a prime target for Wikileaks: a Western company that colludes with a dictatorship to exploit the free labor of young Eritreans. Then we will learn from internal emails about financial transactions (and their rationale for donations, how they pay the secretive Gov of Eritrea to avoid transparency) and how Nevsun looked the other way (they don’t work for us! they work for an Eritrean subcontractor!) when tens of thousands of Eritrea’s youth were enslaved. Oh, and don’t be surprised if it becomes a prime target of SEC investigation: somebody has to pay for the tears and the exile of thousands of innocent Eritreans and you and the Atlantic Council want to be as far removed from the debris when the you-know-what hits the fan.

My email, just in case you want to eliminate your selection bias: salyounis@gmail.com

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  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Greetings to all,

    For twenty-five years, the regime in Eritrea committed devastating crimes against humanity. This is the conclusion reached by the UN Human Rights Council after extensive researches for a couple of years. Eritreans consider this verdict an omen of hope, but still requires a push forward by the international community to bring the criminals to the International Court of Justice. The rapporteur illustrates clearly that the regime abused and still abuses human rights in Eritrea , threatens regional peoples stability and floods remote countries with refugees. Such testimony by an international body should be a valuable tool for neighboring countries to protect their countries from the evils of this regime. Neighboring countries specially Ethiopia and Djibouti should take the case seriously and work hard diplomatically among African countries. They should propose forming special tribunal under the name “The African Peoples Court of Justice” to trial the regime. On the same level, they should work for a resolution from the United Nations Security Council to pass the case to the International Court of Justice.

    Neighboring countries particularly Ethiopia should have a strong stand by the side of the Eritrean National Council for Democratic Change (ENCDC), and distance herself from taking bias to some ethnic groups or parties that shun to sit with their compatriots. Such groups which failed to solve their problems with their brothers/sisters will never/ever be stability factors to their neighbors. I hope Ethiopia to distance herself from such a trap and reiterate old grave mistakes that still suffers from.

    • blink

      Dear Adoreb
      Yes it is true the government committed endless crimes over all Eritreans and we should do more to hold them accountable. But the regional governments you said , who are they , Ethiopia , oww , Ethiopian leaders have committed endless crimes over the Ethiopian people. How on earth do you expect them to help ? or you see the EPRDF regime as your example of the future government in Eritrea ? how do you think , one person from Oromo and Amhara feel about your saint picture of the regime. Crime committed over any one should be the basic thing to assume .

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Greetings blink,

        Expecting utopia on earth is something unimaginable. Also shifting to a full-fledged democratic country requires time, sometimes decades. There is no 100% democratic country in the world, even in the most developed countries there is breach in human rights. The scale here is whether the government is working in establishing and executing pillars of human rights/citizens rights or not. In Ethiopia there is constitution, parliament and elected government. These are fundamentals in building a democratic country. At least from an observer point of view, the door for Ethiopians to change their government through ballot box is open. The people have space to protest in Ethiopia; but in Eritrea we have a nightmare where you can’t even protest with your eye glances. In Eritrea we have a regime that opened fire and shoot disabled freedom fighters simply for protesting for improvement the standard of their miserable life. Leaders of the first mutiny of freedom fighters on the eve of independence announcement were handpicked to prisons. All these happened and G15 were either participants or witnesses in the suppression.

        Really I envy Ethiopians, you are in Heaven when we compare you with Eritreans.

        • blink

          Dear Hameed

          While i accept al, your points about Eritrea , i would like to pass the points about Ethiopia.
          If you insist please refer to Oromo or Amhara people.

          Thanks

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            To reach stable democratic stage you require to pass through many difficult tests. Concerning Ethiopia, the first important test was devolution of authority to PM Desalen peacefully. I consider present unrest as the second stage in the process of democratizing Ethiopia. I think Ethiopia has the tools to solve her problems. She has a constitution, parliament, democratically elected government and active parties. I hope they will implement these tools to solve all grievances, bring those who opened fire on protesters to justice and make changes in the governance structure by dismissal of those who misused their authority. If all this failed they will definitely resort to early elections. Ethiopia possess the tools that makes her move forward.

            As an Eritrean, I didn’t get any benefit from the fragmentation or unrest in Ethiopia. I look to stable and developed Ethiopia as an asset to the people of Eritrea. I wish to prevail justice, respect of human rights, stability and development to all our neighbors.

            Now, Mr. Shitara, I know very well you are an agent of the shifta in Eritrea, you are not from the Eritrean opposition. You act typically like the despot, and the adage “Sebhi ena harere sebhi enda emata tikokis” applied to you and your master. Eritreans have their own problems which they still failed to make an end for them; no need to make ourselves busy with other peoples problems. First let us stand on our feet after that only we can assist our neighbors to solve their problems. Charity begins at home, but should not end there. Mr. blink, don’t exhaust yourself to revive life to the corpse in Asmara.

          • blink

            Dear Hameed
            Try your best and it will not work with me , to defame people because they do not entertain your idiotic logic of defaming people as HGDEF , go tell that to your teacher who ever he is .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            You said defame me. The answer is no. This is the work of your uncles, they repeat lying, believe it as true, then start to dance and sing “hoh, hoh, nikhid nikimit”. You resort to defame me and similar methods when you are cornered. Such phrasing reiterated thousands of times by you to the extent of saturation. By now, even the donkeys in Eritrea grasp your intentions before you utter even a single word, every step you take is cover-less at present. You need some rest, blink, until your master drills his old scripts and get one for you. Mind you, everything your master has in his disposal is worn out, not applicable to practice in the 21st century world.

            Take a note, Mr. blink. The end of your uncles is very near more than expected by most. This is not a prophecy, but one plus one equals two calculations. I advise you to look from now for a hole that hide you. The day you will be very frustrated and overwhelmed by dark clouds is not very far. I know you will attempt to succumb to the excuse of we were tegadelte, but that will not work.

  • Ismail AA

    Hayak Allah moderator,
    I find it appropriate and humanly right that moderator (s) should be compelled to intervene and advice commenters to sober down when things seemed to take negative tilt.
    The point that should be taken good care of is not what one says within his/her right of expressing an opinion but how one says it. If one would take this as his guiding principle in writing or saying something then the atmosphere will stay calm. Anger is the most devastating tool of civil dialogue. Let us avoid anger at any cost.
    I hope no one will take me as trying to moralize.
    Warm greetings,
    Ismail.

  • Solomon

    Hameed Al-Arabi,

    Are you ISIS/ISL hacker or a simpleton pfdj obstructionist? I know you are worthless PERIOD
    tSAtSE

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Greetings Solomon,

      Your worn tricks do not raise a single hair in me. Your trigger missed its target. You are accustomed terrorizing innocent Eritreans, but remember your days are counting to stand behind the bars of the International Court of Justice with your master. It is good you turned back to your true unbalanced identity. You are a worthless street boy. Your comment to Kim Hanna before two days proves it: If you don’t believe read it again.

      ((Solomon Kim Hanna • 2 days ago
      [from the moderator: careful with your words. ]

      Selamat Kim Hanna,

      Some want an inlet and some want an outlet. ……………………………….. ))

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Greetings to all,

    The very important demand for the Eritrean people is discussion of sober and wise Eritreans who respect minds of the receiver so as to bring the two ends together. I think we have to say enough to unproductive discussions. We have to stop revolving around the vicious circle the whole of our life. Not only this we are passing this disgraceful legacy to our grandchildren. Please, have mercy upon our children.

  • Solomon

    Selamat AU,

    Include in the above,

    4. Civic Society
    5. Private Sector

    tSAtSE

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Solomon,

      Try to differentiate between “state” and “government”. Civil society and private sector are not part and parcel of government structure.

      Regard
      Emanuel Hidrat

      • Solomon

        Aya,
        I have. Government is a subset of State….
        Am I missing anything you see….

        I am still working on finishing the earlier thought where it clearly delineates our differences in approaching the future.
        tSAtSE

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Selye,

          Give me a favor to give you this homework. I will give you the data and you will make the flow chart. At the top put the “state ” in a rectangular box. From that extend a verical line downward, then draw a horizontal line attached to it. Create three parallel boxes hanging from the horizontal line. These three boxes will represent the “government”, “private sector ” and “civil society.” From the box you designate the “government” draw a vertical line, then draw a horizonal line attached to it, to draw three hanging parallel boxes. The three boxes represent the “executive “, the “legislative” and the “judiciary”. From the executive box, if you want, you could draw as many boxes as you want to represent the ministerial offices. When you draw this flow chart you will understand the pillars of a state and the pillars of a government. One who loves algorithm will be easy to plot this flow chart.

          Regards,

          • Solomon

            Aya,

            I am aware of this flow chart, but I have done it now per your suggestion. Having lived nearly fifty years and been privy to specifics from my position in the private industry and private citizen, I am not at a total loss to recognize yours and nearly every ones understanding of the concepts of government and state. Perhaps there is a point to this project you are directing me towards now, and so I will take it on as a serious hobby and who knows “gelle intefeTere.”

            My earlier mentioned train of thought, at the moment, I still maintain that you and I have different approaches to the way forward for the resolution of our main decades long preoccupation. And this flow chart you are equipping me to do for myself will perhaps give me clarity to what it is I want to state. The need to define for self is stalled by the need to continually dear along with many fueled our resistance or fight for those directing against our way. The trick is to find the balance.

            tSAtSE

  • Solomon

    Selamat AU,

    “A government is one of the three features (pillars) that explains a functioning “state”. The other two being “civil society” and “private sector.” Yes there is a government in Eritrea where the state and the government are one – a state stood by one pillar with the absence of the two.” Amanuel Hidrat

    tSAtSE

  • Abraham H.

    Selamat Mahmud Saleh,
    Just in case you have not noticed it, the blog, Hedgait by Mohamed Kheir Omer has lots of interesting information about the Tigre Ethnic group that could be of help to your forthcoming article. There is even a whole scanned downloadable book about Tigrait folktales from 1910 written both in Tigrait and with English translation.
    Wish you good luck with your article and looking forward to read it.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Berhe Y,
    .
    Sorry for the delayed response. It looks like I have missed the target of my message too.
    I agree with you whole heartedly with your general point. I was attempting to describe within that general point, there are individuals who take advantage of it to commit crimes like breaking windows in order to STEAL the goods.
    When caught, invariably they wear the garb of the legitimate opposition of what is taking place.
    .
    Unless you believe that breaking windows and STEALING is a legitimate expression, I am with you. Don’t forget nowadays some of those businesses are owned by Blacks and recent immigrants.
    ..
    Mr. K.H

    • Berhe Y

      Dear K.H.

      No I do not agree to the breaking, stealing and looting. Yes there are those who take advantage of the situations but my point is, it’s a very small price to pay compared the start of the whole point.

      Honestly speaking, if you are really worried about the business owner and their loss, really they don’t have much to worry. Most of their business (almost all of them) will recover their loss by claiming insurance.

      What I am saying is, the anger can play a roll and sometimes, it’s monkey see and monkey do…young people who do not have any intention of stealing or looting, get caught up and take advantage of the situation out of anger and frustrating.

      This happens all the time when peaceful demonstration turn into confrontation and violence and out of control…and it’s the authorities who need to calm the situation.

      The problem in America today is, the authorities use the justice system to punish the angry demonstrators but they do little or nothing to charge the officers who are involved in the shooting and killing.

      And I think you focused on looking and stealing and you completely ignored the root cause of the whole situations, that’s what at least I got.

      Berhe

    • blink

      Dear K.M
      It is a fair game , they just took the things in the way ,why do they cheat and why do they protest ? these questions can give us all the answer . What could be the reason to act violently , that is the main point . But ,You want just to blame the people at large because you have adapted EPRDF memo. That is simply cruel .

      • Peace!

        Selam Blink,

        Thank you, that’s exactly what he is desperately trying to imply that the peaceful Oromo and Amhara protestors are nothing but looters, what a cheap shot. I don’t know if an elien can also be a house xxxxx. what a strange world.

        Peace!

        • Thomas

          Hey Peace,

          Man, you still like to talk about Ethiopia and expected us to read you?? Your desperation is unstoppable. It is just mind blogging to say the least! I wouldn’t mind hearing your bluff if you had admitted that you are from Ethiopia and it is kind of a personal matter to you. Otherwise, we can only wonder why…………………

          • Peace!

            Selam Thomas,

            Really am I not even allowed to reply to a post about Emye Ethiopia, the republic of Ethiopia, not the TPLF’s empire, that financing our opposition groups, and sheltering and educating our youth? why not, isn’t Ethiopia part of the equation for change, and what if I am Ethiopian? does it bothers you? Well, If you remember I reminded you the other day that bring ideas and try to debate with civility, no personal question and attack. Trust me if you do that, people will start to remove you from severely ignored list and engage you; otherwise you are too old and too rude for Emma to keep babysitting you.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            The problem is not you mentioning Ethiopia here and there in your writing. The issue is you ignoring the debate about Eritrea and in case you forget this forum for Eritreans and Friends of Eritreans to discuss about things that has to do with Eritrea. Now, are the oromos, amharas or the TPLF’s Eritreans? It would have made sense if you were trying to discuss ethiopia and her current issues, but trying to discuss the relationship amongs the oromos, amharas, tigrians and more is so uncivilized and it will not be healthy for your own life, hate eats haters alive:) Also, you calling me old and ignored is absurd. 1) There is nothing wrong with someone older. There is something wrong with someone who is really old and thinks like as a child (you belong to this group by the way). 2) I don’t come here to get attention, I come here to learn from others. Anyone can feel free to ignore me. Didn’t say you will severely ignore me before??:)

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Greetings to all,

    All that brings our problems to an end is very simple linear equation, it is not a rocket science. It is a must to seat and work with your compatriots in the country or you are not welcomed whatever glistening or very attractive organization you establish alone with a segment of our people. Number one enemy of the Eritrean opposition is those who work or think to work alone. Whatever your compatriots in the opposition are bad you are requested to seat and work with them, it is imperative or we are not different from the militia that is ruling Eritrea..

    • Solomon

      Selamat Hamid Al-Arabi,

      I failed to connect “a simple linear equation” with a non linear equation. Unless of course you are speaking if two continuous non discrete escape velocity??? But do go on.

      tSAtSE

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Greetings Solomon,

        I mean simple equation with only one variable. Secondly, the analogy is clear from context. You just strut to display you are smart at math.

        • Solomon

          Selamat Hameed Al-Arabi,

          If I say not true? Would I be qualified to balance an equation?

          Take the three legged stool for example?

          THisho deA zHawey.

          tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            Nothing is unattainable just variation of individuals capacity limits, the role you are fashioned to function. Some for rocket science, some parasites addicted to host sucking. No shame for minds in vacation, where impulse is the stance master.

          • Solomon

            Selamat Hameed Al-Arabi,

            Please do go on. I shall extrapolate a limit formula from it. Glad to be working in tandem with you Hameed.
            We are all parasites of sorts on this Mother earth.
            tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            On contrary, earth is created for us human beings with all things it embraces, but we are requested to develop it and use all its graces intelligently.

            Hear you not very far weak sound, mounts up by time to roar, nationalistic roar, from grandsons/daughters of Ras Weldanke’al and Ras Tessema to hush queers.

          • Solomon

            Selamat Hamid Al-Arabi,

            Yes I know, though it is the loud and hush queers that makes life bearable despite all efforts to suppress their art.

            Though there is no point to it, I am wondering where in the range of (Defendants of Ras Tessema and WoldeMichael, Hush Queers) do you place yourself or is there another set of range?

            tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            To make it more clear for you I will re-edit in the following form, I hope that will suffice.

            Hear you not very far weak sound, mounts up by time to roar, nationalistic roar, by the brave grandsons/daughters of Ras Weldanke’al and Ras Tessema, to curb strangers who hijacked national rights.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            Heed no for wailing in grief, astonish your whinnying to conceive new monster though yester infant cradle wet. Rock no which cracks with time, what art you learn no from mistakes. Dumb on guard of elder monster, deaf wooing to conceive new monster.
            Hear you not very weak far sound, mounts up by time to roar, nationalistic roar, from descendants of Ras Weldanke’al and Ras Tessema to hush queers.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            If I say SilMat, age old SileIA, Vice Soup-visor, Wufurat Gogol, running Antique system. Do you see Tihisho, KinDshih effective?

          • Solomon

            Selamat Hameed Al-Arabi,

            The answer to that question is in the affirmative. I am confident you will also come to realize this in the not to far future, tho the TiHisho is for a particular set of skill or more.

            tSAtSe

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            Your new guest is special one, his mere coming news will make you shudder. I am sure you don’t believe it though stark reality . I am too very confident your doomsday is very near, more than you expect, may be today or tomorrow but not too long. The day after morn as if you never existed, full rested in the garbage of history, where curses hunt you even in the world second.

          • Solomon

            Selamat Hameed Al-Arabi,
            Am I to deserve a doomsday for my previous in the affirmative response to your inquiry. I fail to make a connection then for KindishiH will now prepare better with your information you have just provided according to his mission. As for me, I say to you:
            1. I know Binacc the Fedayeen Quintisensial and you are not Binacc Senator H,Al-Arabi
            2.
            3.
            tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            Vice soup-visor or let you have change, vice shiro-visor, who suffers from dementia. What glue kind stuck you to adage “Zgebrr AdioU neyneneyneynegurrrr!” which fails in the first war test. This proves you are vice shiro-visor of malitia

    • blink

      Dear Hameed
      what happen to the opposition leaders who have leaders like you ? For example let me say ,i see you as arrogant , not good and who has no merit to say a word about any one but keeps talking , insulting and so on. How do you expect me to sit with you ? , let me say this , some people are not talking on how to take down the dictator , they simply think that , “we were better under Ehiopia and we should not mention EPLF “because they were not their friends” . And I say ,We are Eritreans only because some one has paid the price that is the truth. But some people in some corners do not believe ex EPLF fighters can be in opposition because ex EPLF fighters tend to keep the history intact .They even say they were slaves to DIA , it is to many to mention. Some people in some corners think ELF was better than EPLF and vise versa , do you know what happen to people who forget or tend to dismiss their history , they get lost and remain in their closed corners for centuries.That is the truth. Go ahead blame me as PFDJista crony who know nothing ,say what ever you want in your mind . what i believe is every one has to be accepted as a justice seeker as far as he oppose the ganges in Asmera , after that , we can say, well lets sit and compromise .

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Greetings blink,

        You want develop new “Guba’a Hakki” and “Guba’a Hassot” under justice seekers umbrella where at the end of the day Haffash will get a monster in front of them. No way to repeat old history again. Required full researched A 100 YEAR ROAD MAP.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Ahlen Hameed,

          From your comment, I can ‘t understand what future Eritrea you are looking. Do you believe on compromise when the criminals are brought to Justice? I am looking from you to make a substantive arguments. Insults are not debate tools. I am just watching you locking your horn with everyone. As Ismail gave us an advice, let us make this forum a prelude environment for future dailogue. If you do not agree with our comments, bring your ideas forward to debate on them. Otherwise your engagement are not conducive for civil engagement.

          Regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Amanuel Hidrat,

            Also crookedness is not a healthy debate tools. I know what brought you forward specially at this moment. You look to be beaten at your horn.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Moderator,

            I am very sorry for any inconvenience. I thought just I am responding to written comments.

            Emma said: “Insults are not debate tools.”
            Hameed said: “crookedness is not a healthy tool.”
            Emma said: “You are locking your horn with everyone.”
            Hammed said: “You look to be beaten at your horn.”

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Amanuel Hidrat,

            I think my comments are very clear. REQUIRED A HUNDRED YEAR ROAD MAD that comprise everything of interest to all Eritreans. Seating with your compatriots is a must. No room for those who shun their compatriots. I am with INCLUSION of all not with SELECTION and EXCLUSION.
            Closing tightly all loopholes that offer opportunities to new monsters is a must.

            I think you are not a judge of the forum to say: “your comments are not conductive for civil engagement.” I am not from the guys who expect “Jignah” to expand like a mountain. Your trigger missed its target.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Awatistas,
    .
    We are witnessing all this back and forth postings that also goes on many fronts where the TRUTH is placed on a sacrificial podium.
    It is amazing how right and wrong, honesty/integrity and deceit are marching side by side. Sometimes the end justifies the means have played a havoc on the simple matters of the TRUTH in our world.
    I wonder if TRUTH will prevail over untruth in the human experience.
    .
    We all have seen on T.V the demonstration in Charlotte, North Carolina recently. The peaceful demonstration turned violent and ugly riot. Several rioters were arrested for looting.
    .
    Now, allow me to use this riot as an illustrative paradigm of what happens to the TRUTH when one of the rioters is brought to the court.
    .
    District Attorney:
    Your Honor, this defendant Marvin Shame, participated in a riot. These items of looted articles were found and brought to the court from the home of Mr. Marvin Shame as evidence of the crime.
    .
    Defendant Marvin Shame:
    Your Honor, this a classic frame up of black people by the police. I have never seen these articles in my life let alone to take it to my home.
    .
    District Attorney:
    Your Honor, It is not a frame up. Here is another evidence, a site video showing the defendant breaking the glass window and entering and leaving with the articles.
    .
    Defendant Marvin Shame:
    The video APPEARS to be of me but it must have been doctored up. I am a man of integrity. I MIGHT have gone in though the broken window on the premises to advise the junior members of “Black Lives Matter” from veering off of our mission. Our mission is justice for the black man. We have been oppressed for the last 400 years. The root cause of all our problem is the institutional racism we have been subjected to, particularly by law enforcement.
    .
    District Attorney: (H. A)
    Your Honor, this defendant is guilty of stealing from the store. The punishment is jail not to give him a platform for his fantastic excuses and ‘word debris’.
    .
    Mr. K.H

  • said

    Greeting
    Eritrea need a clean break
    Apparently, the gullibility of some or majority of Eritreans is endless. This Eritreans true hallmark of gullibility is why a handful of IA cohort can so easily lead the sheep into endless suffering and oppression. The idiot IA and his cohort have been at war with neighbouring countries for 18 years and the morons have no idea what has been achieved. The fools are unaware that the Eritrea in its two decades long accumulation of weakness, and now confronts major and stronger economically neighbouring Ethiopia. Decade and half later, comparing to Eritrea, IA had failed to plan economically Afterwards for “the day after war” only false hopes and zero business opportunity for egger Eritreans never materialized. would have enjoy all the markers of an independent state. Or enjoy political representation, none, under ‘king of War’ No one will ever see these connections IA and his cohort are totally blinded. Ethiopia capital and others cities are flourishing to some extent. After more than 30 years long historical struggle, a war of liberation IA still believes he can solve the conflict with neighbouring countries through brutal force. However, he is fundamentally mistaken and foolish. IA NEVER ACCPTE a mutually accepted solution is found through peaceful negotiations. and assume a moderate voice, which remains essential for future negotiations and without losing an inch of meter of historical proper Eritrea. Call for peaceful negotiations to end any conflict with neighbouring countries. War and Violence, however, regardless of the reason, is not acceptable. which plays directly into Ethiopian ’s late PM MZ hand and same with present regime. Ethiopia do not want to return to the peace process, and rebuffed by MZ, whose national narrow fanaticism overshadows the future stability and well-being of Ethiopia as a country that he presumably wants to secure for his ruling ethnic group. with historic evidence that Ethiopian and custodian of Christian history is rife with ruthless kings and dictatorial rules. A history stretching for nearly 20 centuries.
    The literal school of Interpretation is quite dominant in the Ethiopian proper world, in the era bygone including the very strict adherent teaching orthodoxy branch, that suited the kings, and lay greater emphasis on form and the exactitude of wordings and gestures in the observance and performance of rituals. Often times, rather most of the time, that creates a dichotomy in the thinking and attitude of some elite Amhara Ethiopian Christian, with some, and in an increasing number, drifting to strict adherence and complete divorce of modern life, much like the puritans of a certain European age; and others, that are more worldly, are left in the ambivalence of incertitude and proclivity to interacting more freely in accordance with the instinctive and the natural.
    spicily for Eritrea it needed clean break. After 30 years of bloodletting and devastation, none of the prerequisites to end the conflict are present. Neither side has reached a point of exhaustion. Both country totally blinded and oblivion to the realty of the poor people. Both expect to improve their position over time, and no catastrophic event has occurred to change the dynamic of the conflict after 16 years, leaving both sides fighting a proxy or protracted war that neither side can win. It is time for Ethiopian to accept the reality of Badem belong to Eritrea period and that the solution to the border problem rests solely on peace negotiations. Anything short of that will only lead to ever more death and destruction on both sides, with no end in sight.

  • said

    Greeting
    In reasonable debate and Logically, of course, this is could be nonsense for regime supporters. There’s nothing connecting today’s regime supporters with the crime of EPLF of 30 years ago or more. More important, in their mindset no sane person would define Eritrea of the 1970th by these often outbursts of crime and violence to its cadre . in their twisted mind in every age, there are examples of people acting savagely to one another. That is the Eritrean condition in 1980th and 1970th. in their twisted and illogically set of mind what we have here is a rather sleazy attempt to slime the hero of EPLF of the past, and by extension the heritage of everyone alive today, in order to disparage current Eritrea regime. It’s as if Eritreans don’t have a right to define what it means to be an Eritrean.

    The implication is that discussing EPLF is off-limits because to do so risks being just as bad as those imaginary sellouts that haunt our past. We can debate how much Eritrean paid the price, but we cannot debate Eritrean refugee in Sudan, but we even cannot have a public debate about how many Eritrean refugees we allow to settle in their own beloved country. Those whom their village incinerated and about half a million Eritrean over the last fifty years ago,Just leave them at refugee come is perfectly fine. Eritrean don’t get a say in what it means to be an Eritrean, they insisting we lack the moral authority to have a say in how the country is run. offering nothing but an increasingly dark vision of society. Eritrean as cannon fodder for waging pointless wars of choice, is a true Eritrean and patriotic.

    EPLF/PFDJ determined and imposed their ideology of very far Left (socialist system) and have adopted a hard-line love affair with collectivism on Eritrea through force, they are for socialism. for working class, believers and atheists, not Muslims and Christians faith, for highlander and some lowlanders, for stand for bygone era Eastern Maoist and Western Marxism notions, etc. The EPLF/PFDJ establishment relies on these divisions as a rationale for the homogenization of cultures — they argue that if we erase provincial borders, religion and sovereignty while enforcing their one people and one heart no multiculturalism and economic harmonization, no equal and equitable wealth redistribution, then these bunch of Eritrean groups will have no reason to fight anymore and a Utopian fever orgy will be our inevitable reward. Yes, it sounds quite magical 25 years after still dreaming of Utopian of state. You can not trust dumbfounded hypocrites and liars. Imagine that. Give them enough rope with which to hang themselves.

    EPLF Bolshevik and Maoist freedom fighters cadre, dictating their blindly imported foreign principles collectivism and totalitarianism and in bring cultural Marxists classic and archaic barbarism, Maoist political and philosophical darkness to a devastated Eritrea, a green land for experiment of darkness , communist regime that seeks control , At the top of the pyramid IA , PFDJ group scrambling for control over everyone and everything and nothing left for those at the bottom of the pyramid. they are the group they call them “deplorable.” Get in their way, you are “deplorables.” however, and they will step on you crawly. this is the only paradigm that actually matters how rule Eritrea in the end of the day. All other paradigms are a means for the absolute control and powers that be to pit the (HFASH)masses against each other. When you look at the past and present in this way, it is easier to let go of all the “sacred sheep” and learned biases that blind us to the fact and truth. That is to say, we all have be united and working very hard to wrestle back control of Eritrea that is already sinking. Let’s not kid ourselves that this fight will be anything other than long and painful.

    • blink

      Dear Said
      How long and painful could it be ? can we take our chances with short and less painful ?

  • Ismail AA

    Ahlen Ustazna Mahmoud,

    Thanks for your rather expanded ( I wish I had the time you seem to have) response to my comments addressed to ustaz Semere Tesfai, which were taken as “general thought “. By the way, you might have noticed that I stated twice that I refrained from joining the fray between you and others on being or not being Tigre. I was anticipating to get some useful thoughts of the brother the comments addressed. But you have volunteered to the take the role – either by consultation or own initiative. That is just fine; it is welcome and respected.

    As to your question you raised about our people, the Tigre and their socio-cultural set up, I will tell frankly that I am not an expert on sociology. But at the same time, I can say I do have rudimentary general information by way of living among them or by virtue of my school training. Your offer of Tigre 101 is something that will be awaited with restless urge. It is better to leave this matter there until I will be graced by your contribution of which I will be grateful.

    About the trigger issue that goaded you to respond, I think you seemed have been moved by way of insinuation that my comments were referring to you. I hope you understand that I would not have hesitated to interacted with you directly had I thought it was worth joining the fray as I noted earlier. You know we had engaged before on matters that we had general bearing on our common concerns.

    On the EPLF and its orientation (guidance) programs, I think you are the one in better position to tell us. But having said that Eritreans like me who have been contemporaries of the front from the time of its very inception and have former schoolmates of whom some were martyred, others liquidated, a few more lucky who had escaped and chose to be loyal and assume high level posts might not be right to be ruled out as ignorant about how the front operated, and still operating as a regime. Let us not challenge one another on something that has become common knowledge unless we choose to argue and defend just for the sake of arguing.

    On your question # 2, it is what you exactly read in those words. If you would like more, you are more than capable to find out since you probably had been more exposed to the front and its way of doing things than any one else in this forum.

    Regarding Q #, I hope you aren’t trying to joke. What would you say if I tell you that I was one of the persons who was approached by highest level officials of the regime to return back to Eritrea because the ethnic group I belong to needed my service – teaching their children in their mother tongue?. I think the time is still yesterday as to fade away from memories.

    Finally, seconding you on the issue of the bill of rights and science, you do not tell me that the EPLF and the regime it had installed have ever been on the business of implementing that universal laws – natural or mundane. If you are serious about this I would be surprised why you consider yourself as justice seeker and oppose the regime. If you are trying to raise those issue just for sake of arguing, that is fine. But you have not forgotten that there are patriots rotting (hoping they will be still be alive) in dungeons of the regime for their views on this matter – the educational policy of the regime and others.

    I would like to end these remarks by repeating once more that you won’t really wish me engage in the arguments that could make us dance around the bush. I believe nothing of value would come out of that game.
    Respectfully,
    Ismail.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam Awatista
    Tigre 101: Lesson #1
    This comment was initially meant for Al-Arabi. However, I thought this is too generous for him, so I will consider it Tigre 101 for our Esteemed Awatistas. The name is changed from ignorant to Esteemed, because when the idea occurred to me, I thought of the spoiling role of few individuals who I thought knew what I was talking about but chose to twist it for political gain. And they did albeit in the haste of things they made blunders. They were not really defending Tigre identity and culture, but they were venting their anger for the fact that they think people like me are on their way to Arabize the Tigre people. I have no problem with people choosing what language they want to adopt. I clearly explained in many occasions that it would be the people under consideration who should decide how they want to be identified what and which language to reach their children. More of these in Tigre 101 lesson #3. So these folks are not crying because they thought I was denying my identity. I will be very clear and blunt when I reply to these folks.
    ******************************************
    Hello wannabe: The people you are pretending to defend are not exotic species that are on the verge of collapse. These are the proud people who speak Tigrayet and who spread from the bay of Zula North to Qarora, and west to Um Hajer. We are proud of who we are. We are proud for the fact that we together with our Eritrean sisterly nationalities, had been the backbone of Eritrea’s struggle to independence. We are proud of the fact that we are peace loving and welcoming people. The space within which our ancestors lived (a vast frontier separating the kingdoms of Abyssinia and the Arab world); their spread along that vast boundary frontier made them to encounter the first intruders and to have cultural exchanges with foreign contacts. The Tigrayet speaking people, and the Afar would be the first to face foreign incursions and foreign-originated civilizations, inclduigng trades and crafts. Of course, Hayat and her herds don’t want to touch this area. They want to tell us that foreign incursions were airborne to Habasha land; that foreign contacts and cultural exchanges were airborne to Aksum. They want us to believe that there was an airport along those tall obelisks of Axum where foreign contacts overflew us (Eritreans in general and the Tigre people in particular). Massawa, Sawakin, Zula…the recorded gateways of Abyssinia are all located in areas the Tigre people call home, Tigre people bore the pressures that came from these two directions. Although sandwiched and challenged, this fact made the Tigre people to be tolerant and welcoming to those who respect them. When they meet some one, their greetings take about 10-15 minutes. It deals with all sort of issues; weather, market, families, peace, war…everything, even going to individuals. And they have to welcome any passing person. In Tigre land, if you are a traveler, you can rest at the first stop (family, or a grazing camp). No question is asked. It’s a duty. The family, or the rancher will accommodate your lodging needs, sharing with you whatever they have.
    The fact that Tigre Tribes spread along that vast frontier, and the fact that their geographical location (the space within which they live) makes them interact with foreign and domestic influxes of people, they are related, in blood and culture with almost all the remaining nationalities of Eritrea and with their kin across the Sudanese border. In Eritrea, they have direct contacts with the Hidarebs, Naras, Kunamas, Blin, Rashaidas, Tigrignas, Sahos, Afars. They have intermarried and extended to these social groups. They have coexiste with them in peace. They fought along their Eritrean brethren for the independence of Eritrea. And, now,they have no reason to change, but to keep that gluing role. They are more than the allusion of victim-hood. They are active participants. They have the power to negotiate and broker. They, together with the rest of the nationalities, are stakeholders in the betterment of Eritrea. They see the evils emanating from the policies of a government, and not from any particular social group. If there are bad policies affecting Tigre people, those policies remain to belong solely to the government ruling without any legal legitimacy..

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Greetings Mahmud Saleh,

      Mahmud, don’t try to bury facts by telling us that EPLF and PFDJ are different entities. In the past they assaulted patriots by the help of alien forces and at present abuse our people. There is no difference between these two entities which you incarnate by your own comment before three days. You attempt to appear as a justice seeker but I think you have to go a long way before you reach that stage. First, you are required to admit your mistakes before you lecture us about Tigre or who is responsible for the problems of Eritreans. Whom do you think will believe a person who writes the following:

      “Mahmud Saleh Nitricc • 3 days ago
      Selam Harbegna Gen.Nit
      I hear you, Sir. I will try to include as to why I continue corresponding the great Queen Hayat, and Emma, and that guy who left Hishkeb with his tail tucked between his slim legs when his slim arms were bent to unnatural positions by the great tegadelit of EPLF when he did you know what, yes, I will tell you why I do correspond with these esteemed awatista. Until then be patient. Remember SAAY’s mantra: “hulughedb zemecha, no one left behind,” I’m just continuing in the spirit of that tradition. But more to come sometime later Nitrickay.”

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Greetings Mahmud Saleh,

        Quote:
        “”Mahmud Saleh Nitricc • 3 days ago
        Selam Harbegna Gen.Nit
        …………… and that guy who left Hishkeb with his tail tucked between his slim legs when his slim arms were bent to unnatural positions by the great tegadelit of EPLF when he did you know what, yes, ………. Until then be patient. …….” I’m just continuing in the spirit of that tradition.”

        A person who is still in continuation in the spirit of that old tradition is not eligible to be a justice seeker or a human rights advocate. Primarily he is requested to emancipate himself from the politicawi timhirt that crammed in his skull in the past.

        • Haile Zeru

          Hi Hameed,

          Quote:

          “”Mahmud Saleh Nitricc • 3 days ago

          Selam Harbegna Gen.Nit

          …………… and that guy who left Hishkeb with his tail tucked between his
          slim legs when his slim arms were bent to unnatural positions by the great
          tegadelit of EPLF when he did you know what, yes, ………. Until then be
          patient. …….” I’m just continuing in the spirit of that
          tradition.”

          The present reality is that the whole country has become
          Hischkeb and a whole generation of Eritreans are facing the fate of that guy in
          Hishkeb. The present is as devastating and painful as the past for the Eritrean people as a whole.

          As for the EPLF Tegadalit there is no better description than the Tigrinya saying “bAm’ut Cheqawita tZawet derho”

          By the way as far as Mahmud is concerned harbegna Nitric is more harbegna than the guy in Hishkeb, which probably includes Semere Tesfay.

          Everything Mahmud is saying in his Tigre 101 Hateta has an unstated Title. And the title is: Any thing good that I am writing about the Tigre people is true if and only if they support EPLF/PFDJ and stay inline with EPLF/PFDJ policy. Otherwise they can rote in refugee camps or can get expropriated of their land (the last one will happen no matter what).

          The whole discussion has been on whether Mahmud is denying his
          Tigre identity or not.

          For me he is suffering from multiple personalities. One is the Tigre in him who is making him
          sound tolerant and accommodating. And the other one, as you can see in the above
          paragraph, the robot like, devoid of emotion and essentially ,unnaturally cruel person.

        • Nitricc

          Al-Arabi: I don’t know if Arabs are humourless but judging from your ridiculous take, they must be indeed humorless. I know Mahmuday brought it to himself when he decided to engage this clueless people, naithere they are up to his par nor worthy of his time. having said, when Mahmuday said what you quoted him for it meant for the propose of humour but you are what you are and you fall for it. SAD. No wonder why PFDJ is bending you with no mercy.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Nitricc,

            Haaaaahaaah, believe me you make me laugh. After you evade me for a long time, what compel you to engage me today, made you haste and notify forum the quote was for humour purpose? The clueless are those who jump from branch to branch in search of figs like a monkey.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Gen. Not
            Our proud Tigre people call someone who behaves like the dude, Al-Arabi, “Be’Al akehah”; the ridiculed person was not Al-Arabi,but my friend and your nemesis, Semere Andom. Semere understood the humor, but your dude mistook it as if it was directed to him. The dude is full of shxt, I tell you that. His mouth is filthy. There is a reason why he will be kept in my “severely ignore” file- you get nothing by engaging him. Consider him our (Muslim’s) Tesfaxion; wray as well call him Hamexion.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Mahmud Saleh

            Please focus all your time and energy on the article you’re working on – the article about the Tigrayet language, culture, poems and songs.

            And speaking of songs, when you write about Wed Amir (as you promised), please write a few of his memorable poems. Out of all his songs, what I remember today is only this:

            ሓሰቦካ ወድ ኣሚር – ከም በዲርካ ኢትሕደ
            ህታ ‘ግል ኢትምጣኣካ – ጥብጥት ህሌት ኢብ ኢደ
            ዎንታ ‘ግል ኢትጊሳ – እምበል ገበይ ኢትኣተ
            :
            :

            And please don’t forget not only a little bio of Wed Amir, but also the poems and a little bio of my beautiful ladies – Rodan, Arhet and Raymok. These ladies were the symbol of defiance, valor, courage, resilience, and unfortunately, at times desperation – like this ሕላይ ኣያም ኣል ልጁእ

            ዲብ ላ ሕዱድ – ዲብ ላ ሕዱድ
            ላጂኢን ልብሉና – ሱዳን ላኣዱግ
            ሕውካ ኢነስዩ – ስቃይ ብሩድ
            :
            :

            Looking for word to see your article.

            Semere Tesfai

          • adarob

            Habibna semere,

            Jebha promoted social harmony and strengthened the social fabric of our society. I am shocked that a person of your kind with such expirience in jebha become a victim of the the plain folk fallacy? Semere, inta yemkin 3ndek ZAAR beta3 pfdj wa mahmuday 3ndu ZAAR habeshi, haha

          • Solomon

            Adorob,

            We intta 3indek ZAAR bita3 shinnuu ya akhuunna?

            tSAtSE

          • adarob

            Merhaba Solomon alsa7eer! Ana 3ndi hijaab from shaik Omer of barka with Quran, Surat al-Ikhlas (The Fidelity), Surat al-Falaq(The Dawn) and Surat an-Nas(Mankind).
            NO”ungovernable emotional”.
            Wa inta ya King Solomon with his 700 wives and 300 concubines ma tedawi mahmeday Wa semere.

          • Solomon

            Ahlainn ya Adorob!

            Surat Al Ikhlas — Fidelity
            Surat FalaQ — The Dawn
            Surat anNas — Mankind.
            AlHamdu lil Allah.

            Wana mtWalid Fi Barks. Ma lakinn…..

            Anna As7uor Sa7eer Solomon AbduAllaH. Ma Reis.

            Bita3i Al ma3teb izey Hijabek:
            2QoronTos5:17
            Slezzi Hadde eQua bChristos Haliu: nsU Haddish fTrett iyyu: itti bluuyy Haliffu: innihho kullu Haddish koynnu. 2QoronTTos 5:17
            2Corinthians5:17 Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old had gone and the new has come.2Corinthians5:17

            Al Ikhlas Al Aritiria.

            tSAtSE

          • adarob

            Habibna Solomon,
            You have to use the magic ring called the “Seal of Solomon” which gave him power over demons. Huwa abazaar zaaatu. Kalam beta3 al Puritans wa King James ma yenfa3 fel ma3teb.

          • Solomon

            MerHaba Adorobe,

            Perhaps I may once the ring is in my possession. I am merely glad to notice your unique perspective, hence my nudge to interact.

            Starting by stating the baf/negative/undesirable only means in the continuing dialogue it only gets better. Discouraging or throwing hindrances towards another proves only ones lack of confidence on his/h er stance and or genuine respect for the others abilities.

            I am of the belief that we are all going in the same direction irrespective of our respective perceived and to a lesser degree real differences. I see you as an asset and will quietly read your inputs and challenges. Great to have made your acquaintance virtually.
            InshaAllah we will quench our thirst by drinking Moyya mnn TurAA soon. Until then lets read one another attentively.
            Sincerely,
            tSAtSE

          • adarob

            Ahlen solomon!
            Shukren lil 3wa6If!

          • adarob

            Sorry! We had just spritual wansa, zaar, ma3teb, hijab but still i apologize If there is any inconvenience.

          • Solomon

            Selamat Semere,

            “dib la Hidud dib la Hidud, lajiEin libluna Sudan laEdug, Hawka inessyuu siQay bruud.”

            And at times desperation indeed!
            Jebhha Abbay beAlti TTebay….

            Now I am eager for Wed Amir article by MS.

            Dear MaHmooday, please include Tigrait language links and references. I have decided now it will go atop the other languages I intend to master. ST’s above has yours truly envious now. Why isn’t Tigrait the official Eritrean language???

            tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Mahmud Saleh,

            Ba’al Akajah Entatu Ebah, Hawan. “Hawan Nisafu Min Litragaz Ebkonat Dehanko Libil” Liblo Adna La’aglam. Hishkeb is a historical place in the history of our revolution where Shabia invited alien forces to fight freedom fighters, this is enough to condemn EPLF. What you wrote is not a humour “Ya Hawan” you have wrote it to bring delight to your master Nitricc.

          • blink

            Dear Hameed
            why is it ELF called freedom fighters and get killed by freedom fighters . Every body know ELF also fought hard against EPLF and they got beaten hard . It is a bad story but that is it . it is just a past . we can not have two ways , ELF were good and that is it. No need to pock people on past history just you find them around.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            We refer to history to take from it lessons that will benefit us in molding our future. We recognize from time to time groups emerge attempt to repeat same awful history by shunning to join their compatriots. They are in continuous search for loophole to cheat the people through lies; but this time I assure them they will never fool whether being highlanders or lowlanders. Our people has taken a very hard lesson from lies of the past. Don’t forget we are in the 21st century where technology has turned our world to a very small village. The problem is not Isaias and his cohorts, but the hypocrites among us.

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            In fact you are Be’Al akejah. Shame for you. Can’t you stop your boring hateta and extreme arrogant attitude that ignores everyones grievances?

            tes

          • blink

            Dear tes

            Oww , he must hurt your feeling , the whole week was and is again about character assassination .I think you are being unfair and unreasonable .

            If the man stop lecturing you and others , who do you think you will have around .Hayat , semere Andom , Abi ( all the southerners) ,Ali and some people with bad wits. come on you are more than that , You do not need to go that low.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            I think the low to ground are those who attempt to recruit people through fear-mongering and phobia that is substantiated by the quote from your comment:
            “If the man stop lecturing you and others , who do you think you will have around .Hayat , semere Andom , Abi ( all the southerners) ,Ali and some people with bad wits.”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday,

            The more you engage the more you become arrogant on your mistakes . The more you engage the more you are losing your moral compass . How easy would have been to accept a simple mistake that every one of us do commit often in our daily life? Is this a big deal to admit? Now are you telling us that your mistalken is not sarcasm but was Humor? Really? I recommend you to exit for a brief of time from this forum until a new article surface in this wonderful website to change the current mood of our debate.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman, i know you don’t have a shred of humor but sarcasm is a form and parts of humor. I know you are trying hard to appease and follow Hayat but at least get it right. One of your greatest problem is that your very selective. when it suits you; you are on when it does not, you bend out of shape and you throw all the tantrum in the world. stay even kill and be fair.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Emma
            Dear Emma, the forum is feels good when you lace your mix a bit of humor. So, take it easy. Most of my comments are laced with humor, It just that’s who I’m. I come here to have fun, and learn in the process. If one is serious for a struggle to change Eritrea, you where the address is (consider this another arrogance), but I mean it. FYI: the expression “his tail tucked between his legs” was first used by Nitrickay when he was having his “fight” with Semere Andom. And I was referring to Semere. Semere knows humor, he is actually with wit, and he had no problem with me using it. So, it was not about Jebaha, my friend. However, considering that we have so many dry, humorless, and unwitty folks who want to commandeer change from behind the keyboard, I will specify which is intended to be read as humor. MS will exercise the right that this great website grants him; MS will observe the guidelines, will exit the forum only when told so by the website administration. The rest is a matter of time management.
            When Al-Arabi described my compatriots as “lweft-overs of Alula” it was OK for you. But when I describe his abrasive comments as “filthy” I stand as arrogant!!?? Where is the justice my friend? I don’t allow someone to attack others on my behalf; and I don’t allow others to attack me or the identity I uphold. We need to observe basic civility.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Mahmud Saleh,

            It seems you think you are the only person that understands in the world which is typical character of your masters, Nitricc, Semere Tesfai and above all the despot, Isaias. The forum perceives well what you have written no need to lie again and again. There are left-overs of Alula militias as well as left-overs of Janohoi and Mingistu militias in Eritrea. If that of Alula is suspected I think of Janohoi and Mingistu can’t suspected.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            kubur Mahmuday,

            You see Mahmuday, “tucking your tail between your two legs” was not part of the controversial you had misspoken. Is that to divert your criticism? No brother. Really this is not the humble and soft spoken Mahmuday that I know in person.I believe this is a caricature depicted by PFDJites for purposes of grotesque effect in their fight. Really I mean it. I can segregate what is written by you and by the team. The humble Mahmuday that I knew him, saw him when he apologizes for his mistake. This isn ‘t he, but the people who teamed with him. ማሕሙዳይ እታ እተጽግበካ ቅጫ አይፈለጥካያን አለኻ:: ብሐቂ እታ ንዘልአለም ህያዋን ንኹሉ ብማዕረ እተጽግብ ቅጫ አብ ጎኒ ህዝብኻ ስለዘላ ንዓአ እንተተማዕዱ ምሐሸ::

            ምስ አኽብሮት
            ሐውኻ አማኑኤል

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Aye Emma
            Nhzbi faHfaH zeblu zelefatat endateKelaKelkas “ms hzbKA kun tbleni!!?”: zegerm eyu; and please, rest assured the team you are worried about has become dysfunctional, and bxaay IA dispersed it(joke). Whatever misgivings you may have, blame it on me Emma. There is no team. It is just a figment of your imagination, dear Emma. I am the same person. There’s a reason why Idon’t initiate objections to comments you make; I respect your rights. I happen to respond only to replies make to my comments, that’s all. The truth of the matter is: we will need go a long way in order to listen to each other and carry on a meaningful conversation. Let’s initiate a good conversation, today. I invite you to share with us your appraisal of the forum and why it is deteriorating to personal bickering; I invite you to enlighten us why individuals carry on intelligent conversation privately but them mess it when they face each other on a public forum. I really mean it Emma.
            Respectfully

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman and MS,
            Now it seems the dust is settling down. Dialogue is irreplaceable tool for mending fences. I encourage you both of you (all of us in fact) to avoid provocative comments that make us shift focus from the valuable exchanges. I assume others, like Hayat, will follow. Sometimes we make ourselves appear as if we have abundant time and forget that in fact time is not on our side regarding the downward spiraling conditions in our country.
            Let hear a steps forward in valuable dialogue and end personalization of the debate on issues.
            Regards,
            Ismail

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Mahmoud,

            I don’t know how you see things but the nature of the forum has never changed. It has been the same through and through. “…is deteriorating ” is a misplaced appraisal. But if it is in fact deteriorating, I hope you remember you are one of the pillars of any current deterioration, if it is there in the first place. But nothing is deteriorating except some attitudes and whack of us can reach a different conclusion.

            On the other hand, I wish people would stop their jabs at the forum and moderators and at the same time, be conscious when they implicate the forum or the moderators in the mess they create on their own.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Ustaz Saleh
            I hope you find this message in good Sunday mood. Thanks for the reply and I really thank you for creating this great forum. I mean it.
            Do I feel the forum is deteriorating? Yes, I do.
            Do I feel I have contributed to its deterioration? Yes I do feel that.
            Does that mean I shoulder part of the responsibility? I’m saying exactly that.
            And this remains to be my opinion. It may not be a correct one when everything is inventoried (It may as well be just a subjective feeling, but that’s how I feel). This has nothing to do with the site or the forum. I have a high respect for all the moderators and administration, thank you for the service. My call to Emma was genuine, and I was to transition into a more sober conversation.
            Thank you and Allah bless you.

          • adarob

            Habibna mahmud,
            The forum is not deteriorating, the problem is on you, you need healing from your “Zaar habeshi”.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Mahmoud,

            Thank you for recognizing a few things. My comment was in a way to urge you to please not involve the forum or the moderators in your debates. Neither me not my colleagues like to be goaded into the debates as anything else but in our individual capacity. Recognizing and respecting that would be a great help. As individuals, it is legit and that is what I am doing here. Honestly, I wish you were a straight shooter because your comments usually have a lot of collateral damages.

            Thank you

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Saleh
            For the respect I have for the site, and its columnists, forummers, including you, I will refrain from going any farther on this issues. It was not my intent to goad anyone. I wish everything were plain and of the same depth. Sometimes, projectiles are more effective than straight shots considering the topography of the topics we cover. And I wish your reply was a STARIGHT SHOT so that I could correct the wrongs. But you have every right to take what you see is good for the forum, and I respect that. My respect to you and to the institution is unshakable.
            Regards.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen MS and forum members,
            Glad to read what wrote in this comment. As I wrote yesterday addressing you and brother Aman, this is how things should normalize and we should all sober up and go back to exchanging useful ideas. Modesty and moderation are effective prelude to dialogue..
            Regards to all,
            Ismail.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Ismail,

            Thank you. That is a gentleman’s talk. We need more like you in this forum መታን ባይቶና ክዕንብብ::

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Aman,
            Thank you Aman. ናይ ብሓቂ ባይቶና ክዕንብብ ይግባእ ከማካ ወራጃታት እንተ ቀሊሰሞ. There is much we can do together with understanding and good will. We just need to help conducive environment in this forum because I believe it’s an epitome of the bigger picture (national dialogue).
            Regards,
            Ismail

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Mahmouday,
            The respect is mutual and when you make mistakes (actually not mistakes, but make our work tougher) it is many times bigger than the normal. You might choose to fire projectiles, but thatw as supposed to be a metaphore, not an invitation to start a debate in military jargon.

            In short, what I meant to say was this: when you are debating with, say Amanuel, focus on your debate with him. Don’t mention the moderators or the forum because that I consider goading. We try not to get involved in debates except in our personal capacity. Second, when you debate with, say Ismael, focus on him and don’t mention the opposition as fillers, because that would also be considered goading all the opposition who would be victims of your projectiles. We have gone through this many times and when I see the same thing repeated, it frustrates me because I believe you should know better. If you remember that was our main problem with Hope, he mentioned the forum, Awate Team, moderators when they were not part of his debate.

            Finally, as an experienced military man, I hope you realize the importance (and discipline) of firing in singles to save ammunition, and to keep your projectiles for when it is needed. Don’t waste it because a loud BOOM is exciting 🙂

            Thank you

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Sealm Saleh
            Yes, Sir. And God bless you all.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SJ you made me laugh out loud when you say ” We try not to get involved in debates..” really?
            case in point just last week; I called upon Mahmuday to knock the madness off and the Moda wrote me a half page nonsense. I guess it supposed be a warning. I have been on this forum and i have not seen as boring as last week, ever. I tried to say something in protest of the useless and unproductive back and forth but the moda got involved. what is even wired is that now is everybody talking about it. Even Aman-H the usual peace maker was leading the charge in he was the main cheerleader. the point is the moda is interfering more it should and that is the truth, Sir!

          • Thomas

            Hey Nitricc,
            You said,
            “I have been on this forum and i have not seen as boring as last week”

            Honestly, I know so many people who have visited this forum had to leave because of your out of control persistent attack on them. I always wonder why you were never banned for all the foul things you write here. But, then what do I know? Whatever the reason is, you have been one of the kinds who will always have permission to curse others without any consequences.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,

            Indeed, if you are bored you can always stay away. I sympathize with the moderators (i sympathize with myself also when I am moderating].

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Nitricc,

            This is a free democratic site for all Eritreans where they debate with respect with those who respect our minds. It is not a place to disperse lies. Respect our minds, you will be respected.

          • Berhan Mesfin

            Dear Emma
            Mahmuday is showing the character he grew up in Shale day in day out he is showing his real face what he stands for no use to advice him to change . He is still suffering from the virus he has been infected in the mountains of shael no cured yet .
            Cheers

          • Peace!

            Dear Emma,

            Obviously Mahmuday can defend himself; however, for fairness, you and Hayat to blame for all of this mess, at least for making the forum unproductive for the last few days: you constantly urge formers to focus on core issues, yet you joined Hayat Adem for a business of digging personal matters and attacking for no constructive reason. It is well known that Hayat is famous at digging and extracting anything she can find to discredit people when she losses and exposed. The other thing is also you are against people hiding behind nick names and make personal attacks, what happen now? is it because Hayat is the attacker or Mahmuday is the victim?

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Pen names are pen names. There are no white and bkack pen names. I abhore pen name veils. Because they lake courage to associate their names with what they are saying. They do not trust on who they are and what they say. I can not be more frank than this. Courage start to stand with integrity who you are as person and your thoughts as part of your personalty. This is not supporting Hayat or any one else. Because I abhore arrogance of not admiting our mistakes, I inisisted Mahmuday to admit his misspoke and told him to let us move. We can not hide our mistakes with humor and sarcasm. It is a bad precedence for the simple reason, that others will follow suit, and truth will be victim of fake humors in our political discourse.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            I got it, but that wasn’t my point rather it was just a simple question since your intervention was very unusual especially when people engage on a distractive issues in a manner of very disrespectful. My question was instead of joining Hayat, why didn’t you advise her to focus on core issues, as you usually do with others?

            Peace!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Peace that was my exact point. when Aman doesn’t suit him he screams foul; but when it does his number one fueling it. he doesn’t act from the point of principle rather from pin point selection. as good as he is that is his major flaws.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            I didn’t intervene when I comment on the fact, rather I was surprised by his misspoken statement. Remember, if he wouldn’t challenged the allegation Hayat wouldn’t bring it who ever helped her. Once we all new it, I plead to him to accept as misspoken statement and move on before they go into name calling, one of the characteristics of this forum when they do not have a substance to argue. In fact I gave him an exit strategy from this back and forth blaming. One thing I admire Hayat is, she never underestimate forumers. She engaged virtually with everyone, and she never threw mudslinging to anyone. She has exhibited an excellent moral compass even if we disagree with her. I recall to challenge Hayat to stay on the current struggle when she was pulling us back to the ghedli era including her undermining the outcome of our struggle. I am on record in that. But on this issue, it is the failure of our Mahumuday of not accepting his error. She brought the fact only when she was challenged.

            regards

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Peace,

            You are in quest of “Zerai”. First, make your bankrupt public then help will ensue.

          • Peace!

            Hi Hameed,

            “Zerai” Entay koinka ata. I was just curious to know why Emma didn’t try to save the forum from veering to unecessary direction, that’s all. Trust me I don’t even understand the jebha/shaebia thing.

            Peace!

      • Semere Tesfai

        Hameed Al-Arabi

        STOP YOUR NONSENCE

        EPLF is not PFDJ. But even if it is, so what? What is your point? Isn’t EPLF the product of your ELF’s incompetence. Wasn’t EPLF created by the war of Tigres – by the aggresion of the Tigres of Barka to be exact. Do you know what your Saleh Hayoti was doing to the Tigress of Semhar and Sahel?

        EVERYBODY IS NOT WIRED LIKE YOU

        There are proud Muslims Tigres and non Tigres who believe in EPLF, in PFDJ and in the history and accomplishments of EPLF and PFDJ. And there are ethnic Tigrignas like me (semere Tesfai) who believed and invested everything in – swet, tears, blood, limbs, soul……

        Semere Tesfai

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Greetings Semere Tesfai,

          You should be the entity that should stop mushrooming on the history of lies. Lies and crookedness brought us to where we are today. What steer us to the present catastrophic condition are piles of mistakes which is not a one day or one man fabric. I think you heard about ” Guba’a Hakki and Guba’a Hasot” from tegadalai Yemane. Those in “Guba’a Hasot” are innocent Eritreans cheated by lies of those in “Guba’a Hakki”. Eritrean history should be written without any changing or forges in it. Let us leave lies behind, Mr. Shitara, and march for the good of our people free of lies by adapting integrity. Believe me lies will never solve our problems; therefore, STOP IT, MR. SEMERE TESFAI.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hameed Al-Arabi

            My point is very simple. You can’t speak on behalf of Eritrea, you can’t speak on behalf of all Muslims, you can’t speak on behalf of all Tigres, you can’t speak on behalf of the Eritrean revolution, you can’t speak on behalf of the ELF organization, you alone can’t define the EPLF organization all by yourself….. and neither could I.

            just voice your opinion to make wrongs right like every body else – without being more Tigre than the Tigres, more Muslim than the Muslims, more advocate of ELF than those who sweat bled and died in it, more knowledgeable of the EPLF organization than those who served in it, and more caring for Eritrea and Eritreans than the rest of us……. Thank you

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Semere Tesfai,

            My point is very simple, it is not a rocket science. Stop lies, greed and twisting history. Concerning, your Hateta ” You can’t speak on behalf of Eritrea … Muslims, …. Tigre… ELF…. EPLf…” is very old “shitara” I know it very well, if you have constructive opinion excluding lies bring it forth.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Semere,
          Wow! Is this Semere Tesfai?
          No comment.
          Regards,
          Ismail

          • Solomon

            IshmaEElAA,

            I second that. But my question to him is:
            You must be from Tigre land?
            tSAtSe

      • Solomon

        Selamat Mo-B-Mo,

        Are there Hummerr trees in Hishkeb? I see why, SGJ, suggestion and your acceptance makes sense. Hishkeb is in SaHil as you have explained. A similar comment, when there was a prohibition on sarcasm by an unwritten decree, would net one or two Thirty to Life. Captain Saay7 and you will have a good laugh reminicing–more him than you.
        tSAtSE

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Greetings Solomon,

          Really, you are a bankrupt trader. Do you want to show you the best highlight, make it a badge on your forehead and marathon around the world.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Mahmuday,

    Why are you dragging us when we call at you to make a closure at your mistake. Just accept your mistake and mive on. You said it whatever you mean it. It is up to your readers how they take it. We all make mistakes. Having intimate to the culture does not make your mistake right. Giving to us a class whatever in your mind, will not erase your mistake, accepting and learning from your mistake only makes you a good person. No body questioned your knowledge to the culture. Move on please. ሸንኮለል አይተብለና በጃኻ::

    ሰናይ ምሸት
    አማኑኤል ሕድራት

  • Hayat Adem

    Haw Mahmuday,
    Gud eko rekhibka, baElikha’mber ke’a…
    You needed credit for the following:
    1- I admitted the language seems to be mine (Hamot #1). ‘the language seems mine…” Really? And you call that Hamot? kemey dia koyna Hamot?! The kid looks like mine, she could be mine. You see, I have Hamot to say that:) Of course, it is yours. It is searchable. You can google it, or you already have done so…Since we have now known for sure that it was yours, when you put words like “seems the language”, it might indicate one of the two: either you have a problem of remembering what you said or you are trying to run away from it. Both are not a virtue. The worst thing is you want a credit for your reluctance. Reluctance has never been part of Hamot unless you discover that anew in that same politicawi timhrti. So, leave the issue or get it right. There is no way you can fight back and retain your integrity here.
    2-and the line of thought is also consistent with mine (Hamot #2), You are trying to won it indirectly here too. Call it consistent or deviative, it is yours. You don’t have to look for a proof. We are not inferring here, we are referring. Consistent or not it is yours. What made look awkward is, you are trying to get credit for hamutegnanet for reluctantly going half to own it.
    3- therefore, it’s possible I said it (Hamot #3). “it is possible”…really? Your disqus account is not hacked, is it? Why “possible”? It is possible means 1% to 99% confidence level of likelihood. That inverted is 99% to 1% unlikelihood. What exactly are you saying? This is a public forum…you wrote it to all of us. That was how I remembered it. It is still there hanging in Awate cloud server. Why an issue of possibility, then? And the worst bigotry is you want a credit for such denialism?!
    Please clear this before you go to your 101 classes…
    I am telling you, you are not going to win for dancing against the figure of your self. So, why don’t you leave it there and move on. If it is about recovering integrity, the way is not bulldozing your way out. It is only by righting the wrong. This is not an issue unless you want to make it one. It is not about any knowledge and views. It is about you. You said, I never said, you are saying it seems I said it, and you are bragging about teaching and punishing us with 101 lessons. What did we do? We didn’t force you to say those things. We didn’t force you to deny them. We didn’t force you to stay on them.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam Hayat
      For now, you are not really my target audience. You tried to fish it out. You could not. Someone else fished it out for you. I don’t have time to waste time in fishing out something that has no substance at all. That’s why I said it is consistent with my language and line of thought. People who have integrity, people who believe in the right of others, have no problem with the statement taken within its content. Now, for folks who apply “justice, democracy, rights of others…” selectively, don’t see them when the people of Gondar and oromo, and other parts of Ethiopia are butchered. They apply those concepts selectively. That’s I called them they lack INTEGRITY.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Hayat and all,

      I think you are taking the comment of Muhmud, way seriously that it doesn’t require this much attention. Speaking for myself for example, growing up in Asmara, I never heard anyone identifying himself / herself as Tigrina.

      I can say exact the same words only to replace Tigre with Tigrina, if someone label me as Tigrina. The first time I heard about Tigrina was in the EPLF bet SiHfet politica timhriti about ERITREAN biher. I knew kunama, Tigre and may be Asawrta (because of that famous kid with beautiful smile), jeberti and may be few others.

      To this day I never associated with being Tigrina, the word as my identity. Habesha is the closest and best way I describe my self.

      Does this make me I am denying my identity that is given to me by EPLF or is it ELF? If you are none Tigrina, may be this doesn’t make sense as seems to most of us, about Tigre but it make perfect sense for the person who hails from that part.

      If you speak to Greek person or if you live there, there is nothing that’s called Greek. I doubt even if it exists in their dictionary. The call the country Elass (spelling?) or Elenika. Greek is a word they got from Ottoman Turks and it means “a slave”. I think a Greek person can say the same thing if he grows up in Greek with little or no outside exposure.

      Berhe

      • A.Osman

        Dear Berhe,

        Semere Tesfai made similar logical case as yours and that was what crossed my mind when I first read the discussion and it was going all over. Maybe it was an attempt to show Bronwyn Bruton 😉 that things are more complicated….SAAY needs to come with his KLA NSUKUM KEA KOLEL ABILKUMUNA comment.

        In any case, one interesting point from MS comment that caused all the discussion is that by mentioning the sub-components of Tigre he was showing another link of groups within Tigre and Tigrigna and others based on proximity of Ad/Adi. I thought that showed that Eritreans are not only defined by the linguistic classifications and there is more to learn by digging deeper.

        After all, Hayat is saying all she wanted was an Opps, u r correct, I did indeed said it. Emma was looking for a colpa mia…..gin iti sehabo guteto, kindey timhirti zihaze zereba iyu neru

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Berhe Y

          Dear AO,

          I must have missed it. I usually read what’s in the main page and I don’t know how to read every comments from the front page, without going to the page and clicking to load more.

          Thanks though, may be I will go to his discuss and check it out.

          This article I think Saay wrote it directly to Ms. Burton and in association to the other panelists, including the state department, they may get lost in the process and perhaps a lost opportunity.

          I know this is important topic and many ignorant like me will benefit from Tigre 101. But I think all this saHabo Gutoto, sounds to me much ado about nothing.

          Berhe

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba AOsman,

          In our Eritrea there are nationalities (ብሄራት). እዚ ንሃልኪ ተባሂሉ ዝካየድ ዘሎ መሰረ-አልቦ ክትዕ ዕላማኡ ገና ክብገስ ከሎ አስተብሂልናሉ አለና:: ንአብነት ሰመረ ተስፋይ ዘምጸኦ አብነታት መሰረት ጸየብሎም ክትዓት ብቀሊሉ ተመኪቶም ዝፈሽሉ እዮም:: ዓቅምና ናብኡ ምውጋን አብዚ ግዜዚ ግን ካብቲ ተታሒዝናዮ ዘለና ቃልሲ ምልጋስ ስለዝኾነ: ንሳቶምውን ስለዝደልይዎ ብጉሽተተይ ክንሐልፎ ኢና::

          You see Aosman, we have debated about nation and nationalities (ብሄራትን ብሄረሰባትን) in theory and how they evolve and all the creteria required to define them, a year or more ago. So be it small or large there are ndtions anf nationalities

        • Solomon

          Hi AOs,

          I like your first paragraph a lot.

          AO’s last paragraph:
          Hyatt, I see what you mean, and now I can grasp Aya Amanuel’s defiance as well….
          tSAtSE

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Hayat A,
      The point is that Mahmud Saleh didn’t try to hide or deny his identity; that kind of behaviour is far from the likes of him. He was just pointing to the fact that the current nine ethnic groups were given their names based on superficial aspects such as language after the advent of modern politics. Otherwise there have been various interactions and intermarriages between these ethnic groups; he even gave examples of how the Tigre people prefer to address each other based on their “Ad”, “Qebilet”, etc. But forumers like you, Hayat, have been busy to try and exploit Mahmud’s comment as if he denied his identity in order to take out your frustration because he has been hammering your twisted attitude and double standards regarding human rights issues in Ethiopia via á vis Eritrea.
      BTW: is there anyone who could explain to me why the Tigrinya people in Tigray are refered to as “Tigre” in the English language and not Tigrinya? I guess the term “Tigre” is also used sometimes to refer to the Eritrean Tigrinyas as well in English?

    • Solomon

      Dear Hyatt Adam,

      Let me give you my own personal example:

      There are things that I would never say within a given context. More than once in my lifetime I have been similarly accused by some one of saying something while perhaps discussing/arguing about something. Knowing myself and immersed in the present circumstances the accuser is convincingly and adamantly pushing the case, after my vehement denial, while simultaneously questioning or searching my brain “how and in what context would I say such a thing” , I would either recall my statement or the proof by my accuser would be presented.

      While agreeing to your inference and references as well as…
      I will cut it short and say: You have no argument basis to charge MaHmood SaliH of lacking integrity. Should you not retract such a serious and baseless charge, I personally would not read and address you as an individual of integrity.
      It is not the phrase then that is the case, I am beginning to suspect. KalE ente alokki aQribyo. But he clearly has won by making his case. He may very well be a man without integrity, but with your entrapment you GET ZILCH!
      tSAtSE

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Sele,
        I really want to to close this. And it seems you want it to continue for ever. This will be my last feed on this particular issue and I know how much it can be boring forumers here. I really apologize but I felt it necessary to do that because Mahmuday with his lectures has successfully diverted the subject as if it was all about his identity.
        Please understand the center of argument and the essential elements in there. I also appeal to blink, Abraham and Berhe the same thing. Examples of awatistas who exactly captured the essence of the issues were Emma and Osman among others. I thank them, and they don’t have to read the rest of this.

        Did I say:
        1) Mahmuday hates, hides or disowns his Tigre identity and the Tigre?
        Or
        2) I said Mahmuday once said he wanted his Tigre identity title to be removed from his name?

        You got it right, it is the 2nd. If so, there were choices…
        1) Mahmuday admits that he said and then explains it,
        2) Mahmuday fails to remember whether he said that or not and states his position on the matter regardless,
        3) Mahmuday denies that he has ever said that.

        Mahmuday went for the 3rd. He had choices even after:
        1) Mahmuday denies that he ever asked the Tigre title to be removed from his name and leave it there.
        2) Mahmuday challenges Hayat to produce evidence that proves he said it.
        3) Mahmuday goes further and accuses Hayat for fabricating info without evidence.
        Mahmuday went for the last two in combo.

        Hayat’s choice sunder such circumstance when Mahmuday challenged and accused Hayat to prove or take it back up on herself:
        1) leave the issue as was
        2) produce the evidence
        3) regret and apologize for failing to produce the evidence

        Hayat did the 3rd option. Mahmuday had the 1st laugh.
        Someone emailed Hayat the very evidence Mahmuday was asking for and Hayat put it up without spinning or doctoring. Hayat had the last laugh.
        Mahmuday’s choice:
        1) Keep denying regardless
        2) Admit that it was his statement and explain why he said it
        3) Go in between the above two
        Mahmuday went for the 3rd by saying, it may be his, the language looks like his, the thoughts look like his, or earlier he admitted it in a funny way saying it is his but said he was saying it just sarcastically. Just recall he was denying saying it at all, sarcastic or otherwise, earlier. And he went on his lengthy 101 lectures to divert the subject as if he was challenged on his knowledge about Tigre. He was only challenged about what he said a year ago he would never gave a firm yes or no.

        Now, I can’t make it clearer than this and tell me where I erred. I didn’t say he has no integrity. I only said he is putting it to be questioned. If a man denied what he said and accuse the person who brought it as saying stuff without evidence, challenged that person, and that person found the evidence after placing her regrets in public for bring it, and she shares what was being sought as game changer evidence, and that very person say “maybe, sarcastically, etc” instead of simply admitting and apologize with or without explanation, what is happening he is putting his integrity in to questionability. The only person who can remove that risk is himself.

        • Solomon

          Hello Hyatt,

          My contention is, though he literally have said it, due to his intended statement when he said it is not only possible to have no memory of it and adamantly/emphatically denie saying it, but even after presented with the evidence he should still be able to denie it.
          Dear Hyatt, how I wish I have your mastery of expressions with clarity.
          All I am saying is that, though he too capitalized on scoring points due to his strong defense, and you as well as Emma are within bounds of engagement to do all possible to slow MoMo’s momentum, you two could have also agreed on such smaller matter for the integrity of your positions. Or at least to illustrate to the hopefulls, suckers like yours truly, we collectively have the capacity to agree on lesser grave discrepancies and inevitably we could agree on close to all contentious issues between us.

          At the very least we should not sink into questioning our respective integrities. Our mere efforts to convince or subdue one another on matters of the utmost grave seriousness to many is indicative of each’s integrity.
          I only wish you chose to not utilize the hard evidence to “weekend mood” light tauting of MS. You should have carefully projected costs and benefits. No matter:
          All the inputs and results of your innocent or not so innocent trial does give us, or at least me, more understanding to sharpen the choice tools for the intended goal. You did good…
          I apologize for the earlier harsh words and personally look forward to reading our Quintisensial Lady of Integrity at Awate Queen Hyatt Adam.

          No I do not want it to continue for ever.

          Let’s move on.
          tSAtSE

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, this is what gives Eritrea the ultimate hope.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs9RcTEXgAAKXd_.jpg

  • said

    Salamat Hail zeru
    It shouldn’t come as a surprise, As you know in general people are conditioned on way or another that they can not see beyond their environment. good example would be Some people will remind you of toddlers that pull the blanket over their heads and pretend no one can see them. The tots even say, “You can’t see me Mommy!” That’s the relationship these people have with the PFDJ. They pull the blanket of delusion over their heads and pretend they can’t see a dictatorship state. They say, “Look, Mommy, I can’t see your dictatorship state! People become attached to illusions such as the PFDJ government do not providing them freedom, but idea that EPLF members dying to safeguard Eritrea, the national anthem celebrating it, and the flag representing the whole shebang. but which Eritrea safeguard to it does not matter. To the diehard “My country right or wrong”? No! My country better be right, we payed the price.
    To some it becomes a paradise of freedom and prosperity. this people, why they moved out of their beloved country. Yeah some are still in 1991 frozen, they’re still dealing with the hangover, how great Eritrea is! They know well any reasonable, fair, good country does not cart people off to military comp, secret prisons, torture them, no rule of law then, shucks, find out all of them were innocent, that is if they are out of prison. Some known personality put in jail tortured that went on for, what, 20 years that we know of?
    Is this like flipping a coin? “Heads we have liberated the land not freedom, tails we have IA dictatorship! But the vast majority of people hate the government so much that IA governing and running it and a tyrannical police state.
    Where is the consistency? Where is the moral compass? Some of the regime supporters, even some who opposite, they see half truth. they can’t land navigate their way out of this moral cesspool because they traded their moral compass for nationalism and patriotism
    The system of dictatorship is total obedience and allegiance, be it in politics or religions, to quote, It well known fact in Vatican top clergy Benedict’s instruction manual aims explicitly at removing any hint of freedom in the monks under the principles of: stabilitate sua et conversatione morum suorum et oboedientia — “stability, demeanor compatible with norms and customs, and obedience”. And of course monks are put through a probation period of one year to see if they are effectively obedient.
    In short, Eritrean PFDJ political organization wants a certain number of people associated with it to be deprived of their freedom. How do you own these people? First, by conditioning and psychological manipulation for long period; second by tweaking them to have some skin in the game, forcing them to have something significant to lose if they were to disobey dictatorship authority –I
    Just as in the orders of the mafia organization, things are simple: made men (that is, ordained) can be wacked if the capo suspects lack of allegiance, with a transitory stay in the trunk of a car –and a guaranteed presence of the boss at their funerals.
    Because you can inflict a much higher punishment on a slave than a free person or a freedman –and you do not need to rely on the mechanism of the law for that.

    • Haile Zeru

      Selam Said,

      I think that is one way of rationalizing it.

      • said

        Greeting Haile
        There is as yet nothing on the ground that resembles Eritrean a state. IA and the predatory cabal around him have hijacked the nation and what ever remaining of the institutions as well as a fabled trove of mineral resources like Nevsun . hey squandered Eritrean chance to ride the commodities boom in the last 5 years .

        IA in his yearly speech is music to the ear . with promises to restore stability and economic recovery. The task was Herculean. But at this point, no one can credibly argue that his continued iron fist rule remains a recipe for peace and prosperity .

  • Hayat Adem

    Kibur Mahmuday, You are in trouble.
    You, in fact, wrote those words, my friend: “No body should impose identity on others. By the way, could you please take the “Tigre” title from me, please?”

    I would like to thank our mindful and attentive awatista on behalf of both of us for dropping your year old feed in my private email. I will send a starbucks card to appreciate the timely rescue, sir. I will not disclose your name (or pen name) to protect you from being targeted by Mahmuday’s artillery.
    Kibur Mahmuday, with this, allow me now to have the last laugh. I’ll provide your entire feed in the appendix below in the spirit of fairness so that you will have the context in which those words were said.
    Hayat
    ———–
    Appendix:
    Mahmud Saleh a year ago
    Selam Beyan
    Very interesting subject. Well written. A couple of observations:
    1. Eritreans should be allowed to express their feelings/demands, there is no question there. I will link a paragraph of an article that I wrote almost two years ago which summarizes my view.
    2. My contention will be this: having acknowledged the right of Eritrean groups to discuss their grievances openly, I still believe most of these questions could be addressed in a democratic climate, and our focus should be on materializing that climate. I truly believe organizing based on ethno-factors such as religion, region, race, language…will delay if not hinder the arrival of the democratic umbrella under which everything is going to be discussed, freedom. What we are witnessing are political vectors acting towards different directions. Similarly to what I have said in relation to other ethnic based movements, today’s Eritrea is not a good indicator for social groups to take matters into their hands where we will be stuck in sectorial based partisanship, waiting for the other side to give in. Most of the grievances we see in Today’s Eritrea should be answered in the next democratically ratified constitution, or at least these questions and similar ones should be given a space in the constitution on how to deal with them in the future (it could be an article, sub-article or clause…). This is in regard with organizing for the purpose of political gains or for community empowerment.
    3. As far as our brothers and sisters of the jeberti community wanting to define their identity, they will have to consider me one of them (and my thoughts are in that paragraph). No body should impose identity on others. By the way, could you please take the “Tigre” title from me, please? I never heard that until I attended politicawi temhrti. Tigre people are more comfortable to identify themselves with “Ad” which could be a clan, and then “Qebilet/Ghebilet” or a tribe. From Zula/east to OmHajer/west, they deal with each other at tribal level (this is for civil justice issues, and identifications). Ghedli tried to kill the tribe but it could not. There are many tribes to name, but the biggest ones are Almeda, Asfeda, Regbat,…Gadi or aderob could list some of them. The point is: those nine “nationalities” which in reality are amalgamations of tribes and their federations, and language based groups were constructed when modern politics entered the scene, otherwise, they had lived peacefully picking a name each of them feel comfortable with. And they were constructed and identified as such by foreigners with little knowledge of their interrelations with each other. For instance, most Tigre Tribes have close connections with Tigrigna; they are also intermarried with many other social groups, blin, Hidareb, Nara, Rashaida, Saho, Afar and Tigrigna.
    4. I wish you gave us a summary of the papers presented, and a link to the book; and if possible a paragraph about it….
    5. This is how I see the matter, and I believe it should not raise eye brows.
    “ምስ’ዚ ትኸይድ ኣላ። ቀላል እያ። ህዝቢ ዝመስሎ ምትእኽኻብ ክገብርን ዝመረጾ ስም ወይ ኣካል(entity) ክለብስ መሰል ናይቶም ሰብ ጉዳይ ጥራይ እዩ። ሓደ ወዲ ትግረ ንሓደ ዓሳውርታይ “ሽምካ ከምዚ ይኹን፡ እዚ እንተዘይኮንካ ኣይኣምነልካን እየ” ክብሎ መሰል የብሉን። ኣሕዋትና ጀበር ድማ ድላዮም ውዳበን ስምን ይሓዙ ክሳብ ብሓፈሻዊ ድሌት ዝኾነን ዘይተስገደደን፡ ናቶም መሰል እዩ። ሓወይ ወዲ ትግርኛ ክህሰ እንከሎ ንዓይ የሐመኒ እዩ። ኣሕዋተይ ጀበር ክሳብ ክንዲ’ዚ ክዝለፉ ከለዉ ‘ውን የቀንዝወኒ እዩ። ዝጀሃረሎም ወገን የለን። ልመና ‘ውን ክኸውን ኣይግባእን። ብመጠን ቁጽሮም ልዕሊ ሰቦም እንተዘይኮይኑ ትሕቲ ሰቦም ኣይወዓሉን። ጎባጢ ኣተሓሳስባ ዘለዎ ጥራይ እዩ ነዚ ኣቀራርባ ‘ዚ ከም ስግኣት ዝውስድ።”

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Hayat,

      Wow! wow! Mahmuday requested to take the title “Tigre ” his ethnic identity from him? I have no clue how I missed this retort of him from back then. As close friends, I would have used to exercise my elementary sarcastic chats with him.

      But Hayat, there is always but, and that is, I can not believe the comment was scribled by him. It is by his teamates without Mahmuday noticing it. Mahmuday can not make an error on his identity. Mahmuday that I know, is proud on who he is. Mahmuday, am I right? Do not make me to lose my regard to you.

      From now onward, do not let comments written under your name to be posted without checking yourself. Lesson to be learned.

      Regards
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Emma,
        There is no question that it is him who wrote that. But he can explain why he said so at the time.
        Hayat

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Hayat,

          Whether it is done by the team or not, once it is said under his name, he owned it. No question about it.

          Regards

          • iSem

            Hi Hayat and Emma:
            I think you should cut Tegadalai Mahmuday a slack when he said this immortal words. So let me translate what he meant, he meant that he is so EPLFized and PFDJized that there is no trace of Tigre left in him. EPLF is to blame for that, he was immersed in the EPLF culture for so long, and as we all know EPLF/PFDJ overwrites any identity.
            Do not be fooled by his, “I wish someone rounds PFDJ leaders and disappears them, or I hate PFDJ,” lines. Consider these lines like what your mom said, anta rigum, aytissanr, or all those mergem that our mothes uttered, but we knew it will not work because they did not mean it. You break the finjal, they tell you, sibbir yeblki, you laugh at something silly that made them mad and asnanka yderqemma, but you keep laughing because you know your mom, then a second later you trip and her hear skips and she tells you qdmekka.
            So he is not Tigre, he is right, after all what is to be tigre, it is the sense and sensibilities, not the mere decorations of names, or attire or region.
            All the things Mahmuday says against PFDJ are like the mergem your mothers told you and when one of these days when PFDJ is in its death bed, do nto be shocked if he says, qdemqi merih wudibay, just like what he said about his Tigre identity

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings iSem,

            Your comment is a typical copy of the herds and their herders. It is wonderful how you are good in it.

        • Thomas

          Greeting Hayat,

          I am not really surprised that this guy does not have any standard. He will say anything in the horizon to please those mafias in power. For the reason no one understands, he loves them more than he loves anyone else. DIA or some followers of his must have put “za’e gotos” on his neck:) He enjoys our attention and loves his kinds like Semere T, Peace, Nitricc………..

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Dear Thomas,

            I agree wholeheartedly with your insightful observations. And that is why it really is critically important that members of Group (a) work very hard to deny those in Group (b) opportunities for dominating this forum and setting the agenda for debate. Specifically, both breeds of spoilers in Group (b) must be foiled in their strategy of (i) pulling and enticing the readership toward topics/issues that further their cause and (ii) undermining pro-democracy, pro-justice and pro-change discourse by deliberately introducing issues having no bearing on the title, substance or message of the post in order to change the topic; and injecting controversial/contentious issues so as to derail a smoothly flowing debate and at the same time sow discord.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Dear Amanuel Hidrat my greetings to you,

        Really, others comment under his name!

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam Hayat and Emma

      I ask you to read the context, and not the sarcastically said “could you please take the “Tigre” title from me” before you become a laughing stock. I will give you time.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi Mahmuday ,

        For what are you giving us time? You challenged Hayat to bring the facts that you had said it sometime ago. She did. Now you are telling us that it was a sarcastic way of saying. The fact is you had said it. I still believe it wasn ‘t said by you but by the team. If you said they don ‘t, then own it. It can ‘t be sarcastic while you were debating on the sensitive Eritrean issue – issue of grievances.

        Regard

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Hi Emma the greatista
          No, it was not said by the team. The team is was off on that day touring the construction of dams. And bxaay monkey,well, Idon’t know, may be he was monkeying somewhere. So, no, it was said by me. I don’t run away from my shadow. Thanks God, my testosterone level is healthy and I still have hot a decent level of Hamot’s production. I can assure the language is mine and the line of thought is consistent with mine. Having said that, you could strip that clearly sarcastic statement out of its context or read it within its context and give it the value it deserves, it is up to you. It just shows how desperate you guys have become. The point is: it is perhaps one of my best Hatetas.Remember that the forum is more matured than what you think it is.

          • adarob

            Dear abuhumyed,
            You have to be grateful that ustaz Amanuel and ustaza Hayat helping you retain your tigre identity while the pfdj dancing at your brothers grave. Abayka hamed huye megebaka afo uncle tom temneka.

      • Thomas

        Hey Mahmoudai,

        Typical HIGDF behavior. You don’t only support them, but inherited their culture of lies “Wala Tinfer Ember Tel EYA” Shame on you!! What is happening to you now? You were very respected person when you try to dissociate yourself from the likes of Nitricc, Semere T, Peace and others. When all of them could lie and become expertise of lying, but they are unable to break the truth. That the main problem for Eritrea and Eritreans are the criminals inside the country. NO Ethiopia, USA, EU, AU NONE of these entities. We can never solve problems of our people and our nation by talking about Ethiopia 24/7. I know this is the technique which is extensively used by the regime and their supporters. It is getting really old and it needs to be put in the garbage can.

        • Solomon

          Thomas,

          You DUMMY! Ethiopia is the problem. Unless Eritreans rule Ethiopia in its entirety, Eritreans will not know peace.

          Ethiopia Ethiopia Ethiopia!!!

          tSAtSE

          • Thomas

            Hi Sol,

            Ata wedi eten lekawiska ki’A kem kedemen mexienaka:) I like your sound mind by the way. Hayat was right you are special and one of the kinds:)

        • Peace!

          Selam Thomas,

          Ata Wedi Zeitmehreni Eka, I don’t even know what exactly your position to even argue with you, except insulting and disrespecting people, typical PFDJ supporters style. Please keep in mind 98.8% of Eritrean people, the same percentage voted for independence, are against PFDJ; however, differences have emerged in terms of “MEANS” how to achieve a sustainable change. This is where people at and are discussing with great maturity. I belong to a group that believes “sustainable change will only come from within.” Now, if you have a better strategy, be gentle and make your point otherwise you are becoming very annoying.

          Peace!

      • Berhan Mesfin

        Hi Mahmoudi
        When you are cought red handed you want it to be sarcastic this is an old “shetara” you said it and you own it , if you can try to clarify it .

      • Hayat Adem

        Mahmuday,
        entai emo kibil eie!

      • Solomon

        MoMo,

        YteAkeba ‘Mo. FaH ilenn ‘yn Qenyen. Mkobkobi chenna QuanTTa sgga: Hyatt Adam geirratlen, TmyeTen kEingila Hjma ymenaCCHitakha allewwa MaHmudaay.

        The good news is they are all TOOTHKESS HYENAS. So, NOT ymenaCCHitakha. It is more they are GUMMING YOU.
        One can’t be toothless and take a bite out of crime.
        _—-

        Tigre and Tigrigna speakers say: weled Adje and wedi Adey respectively. They don’t say wedi biherey.

        This is consistent of the failed TPLF language based ethnic federalism…. TesaEirna keybluss yggba…

        Hey Mo”the best”Mo,. You can take my “Tigrigna” title away from me too.
        HA has inadvertently given a movement’s slogan:

        “Take my ‘Tigrigna, Jjeberti, Tigre, Saho, Nara…’ title away. IgeleHameed and IgeleHaTsin is Adje, Ad Qelayy beAltiet.” And yours? 🙂

        tSAtSE

    • Lamek

      Dear Hayat. You are reading way too much into this. All Mahmoud Saleh is saying is that he is Eritrean and nothing else. You have to give him credit for that because he remembers his cadre school Civics 101. Lose who you are and adopt a new identity and you are no longer Tigre, you are Eritrean – EPLF Civics 100, Lesson 1.

      • Hayat Adem

        Lamek,
        And how exactly did I read too much on to it. It seems you want to see this thing going, don’t you?. There is nothing to read too much or too little about it. It is simply a scene of a respected tegadalai running away from himself.
        1) He outspoke prescribing and advocating identity for groups in Ethiopia for weeks so incessantly and strongly.
        2) I said, he should cherish his own identity first before advocating for others, referring to this “remove Tigre from me” thing he said a year ago.
        3) He denied it completely and accused me of creating it.
        4) An awatista rescued me after I placed regrets for saying it without evidence at hand.
        5) EPLF made this guy brave enough to face bullets but not so brave enough to embrace plain truth and civility to say “I made a mistake”.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Mahmud Saleh

      This was a Hateta written to support the right of Jeberty. And it was also a Hateta to highlight the right of small Eritrean communities to choose their identity (for civil justice issues, and identifications).

      It still is a Hateta that can pass any stress test.

      Couldn’t have said it any better myself. You’re still my prime minster sir.

      YikaAlo – 1

      Malelit – 0

      Semere Tesfai

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Semere,

        I would like to tell you that the appellation of “community” is offensive to those some people consider a “community” like the Italian community, the Yemeni community, etc . That is why many of those “communities do not condone the lines along which the powers that be identified them. If the dividing lines were agreed upon, as opposed to imposed, maybe some people would not consider hem communities, but citizens with equal rights. I hope it is an innocent mistake because it is offensive and people tend to see them in the context that, according to a popular belief, Haile Sellassie is said to have identified some people as ” the … Community that lives in Ethiopia” I just thought I’d bringing this to your attention so that you don’t fall in the same mistake.

        Cheers

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Saleh Johar

          It is ignorance in my part. To be honest, still I don’t get it. But I’m really SORRY if I’ve offended anyone by saying “community”. I tried google, but still, it is not helping me.

          Google definition of Community:

          Noun, plural communities.
          1. a social group of ANY SIZE whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage.

          2. a locality inhabited by such a group.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Lamek

            Semere Tesfai, by the definition you provided from Google, you didn’t need to apologize. Political correctness is the worst thing in the world. I was seeing something special and bold in you. The same with Hayat. You two should be fighting for your Tigrinya people. PFDJ doesn’t represent the Tigrinya people. The likes of Saleh Johar, Amanuel Hidrat, Semere Andom are in the business of writing the wrong history of blaming the entire Tigrinya population with all the wrong doings of PFDJ. Unless we fight this and disown the history of PFDJ, which is helping advance the lowlanders lives at the expense of the highlander families, then we will be kneeling down and apologizing on behalf of IA’s failed experiment for eternity. Call a spade a spade. What is the number of Jeberti’s in Eritrea? In my estimation, no more than fifty thousand or so. That fits a small community by the definition from Google. Plus why do we dwell on English words. It is not our first language. Let’s not pretend to know the language more than those who edited the dictionary. Jeberti are a small minority in Eritrea. Period. So what?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Lamek,

            The strongest position I took on the reality of our society, which I wrote in an article form was “The arrogance of the highlanders and the mistrusts of the lowlanders obscure our unity “. Other than that I did not make a general accusations. I believe you misunderstood me. But I could not dismiss the probabilities of mis-statement on my side. Could you help me where and when I blame the entire tigrigna people, which by the way, I belong to? Semere and SGJ are capable enough to respond you and I will let them to respond to you. One thing for sure is pen-names are known for making wild accusation.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Amanuel Hidrat,

            You said:
            “”The arrogance of the highlanders and the mistrusts of the lowlanders obscure our unity”. I still hold that stand.”

            How did you reach to this conclusion? Can you present your references, researches or landmark historical events to prove the notion you hold to this date?

          • Peace!

            Label,

            Hopefully by know you should know why your Muslim friends abandoned you perhaps because they learned you are actually an extremist. I see no reason for you and likes to complain as PFDJ is doing exactly what you wish to see. soulless!

            Peace!

          • Lamek

            Peace, I bet you that you have never met an Eritrean muslim in your life, growing up in adi amhara. You don’t know what you are talking about so better to stick for you to go back and listen to Tedy Afro. Muslim Eritreans have been shying away from their Tigrinya compatriots in the diaspora because to them all Tigrinyas are the same…you see yourself as an Eritrean but they see you as a Tigrinya, just as they do with IA and his regime. But you can not grasp deep matters like this. You are being taken for the ride because you are too dumb to think and stop and analyze. Your kids and grand kids will pay for the wrong history you are writing here day in and day out. The repressed people in Eritrea are the Tigrinya people because they have been subjected to be equal with everybody else. You see how skewed the balance is?

          • Peace!

            Lamek,

            You are not making any sense other than making a blank generalization. I am an Eritrean Muslim myself, from a small community, and living in Ethiopia doesn’t make me any different; in fact, I am planning to go back once your brutal evil and oppressive TPLF is buried hopefully soon. Now, before blaming others, re-read your comment and judge for yourself then you will know why.

            ** So you don’t likeTedy Afro, I thought you are young, ok, what about Osman Abderehim? 🙂

            Peace!

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Lamek,

            You don’t want the banadora box to be opened, the box where you want to hide by misinforming your ethnic group. Most of those who attempt to advocate by telling us crookedly those who are ruling in Eritrea are not Tigrina, then tell us please from where are these people are they without any roots. If they were Muslims I am sure you will say “Ethom Islam”. The latest example we have that of Martyr Saeed Ali HIjjai and his companions who are labelled as “Jihadists” by the regime. These people were serving the despot directly or indirectly to reach where he is now; but the reward was Jihadists, death and imprisonment. Did you know where are Abdallah Jabir, Mustafa Nur-Hussein, ect. they are rotting in the prisons of your uncles. You should understand very well if a Muslim does something good or bad we will never say that he is not from us. I think the maxim “kiwee bimanka kizhil biedka” is applied to you. If one of your sons has done good you will feel proud of him and when he experiences bad things you totally wash your hands from him. Is this the practices of a sane person?

          • blink

            Dear hameed
            You are entertaining lamek and that is not going to be good for you sir , even you are claiming to be all. You saidthe following

            “You should understand very well if a Muslim does something good or bad we will never say that he is not from us” .

            Every bad news , i mean the international news is some how connected to Muslims and that only that should remind you where you are going . Thanks , we are not wuhabi muslims , and thanks we are not bombing people because , they are Christians or shia’s . I do not want to be connected to any of these bad actors and i do not consider them , like you do. You want to associate with them , go ahead . But i do not understand how on earth you come to this from BLOOD MONEY to such . PFDJ enablers are full of tigrinja , Tigre , nara …..etc and we can not just make a stamp for tigrinja people due to the evil man. It is not going to help . Going out with people like lamek , will not serve you well.

          • Abraham H.

            Selamat Hameed Al-Arabi,
            You named Abdellla Jabir and Mustafa Nur Husein, I personally do not have any sympathy with such type of individuals, they were readily serving the despot all their lives. They have even been complacent in the incarceration and disappearance of some of our best liberation heroes, the G15, by giving a helping hand to the devil in Asmara. Mind you these people were defending and advocating for the sufferings of some of our best leaders for 12 long years. Now they are just reaping what they have sown, this is what happens when one betrays his comrades in arms and joins the satan in their annihilation. We hope the remaining slave servants of the despot would dissociate themselves from him before it is too late, though there is very slim hope them doing that courageous decision, which means they will face the same destiny as their former comrades.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Abraham H.

            The twelve leaders, Abdallah Jabir, Mustafa Nur-Hussein and their likes were serving the despot, and at the end of the day their reward was death and imprisonment. We want all who abused innocent Eritreans to be taken to court without taking bias. You seem to side with the twelve, please take the whole package together.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Al-Arabi,
            The G15 are the most courageous Eritreans in post-liberation Eritrea. They challenged the despot at an early stage to implement the Constitution and to respect the rule of law, fully knowing what was in store for them. These people were some of the founders of the EPLF and they were fully aware of how the organization had dealt with dissent through the liberation struggle era. Also they did not wash their hands off from any possible crimes they might have committed and they were willing to be held accountable for their past actions. They presented their proposals for a democratic change at a relatively early stage of Eritrea’s independence, a country that was rising from the ashes of a 30 year war and backwardness and a two year devastating war which started just a few months after the ratification of Eritrea’s Constitution. Had their proposals been followed with the right action, Eritrea would not have been at the mercy of a psychopath today, and its citizens would not have died in deserts and high seas in their thousands.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Abraham H.

            These people you speak about woke up when the whole cake became under full control of Isaias. The fight was to share the cake no more no less, typical mafia nature. All these people should pass through courts of justice after that only we can call them courageous and the rest labels. You may be heard about jails in 2001 but it started 10 years back when innocent teachers and many others disappeared from existence and their whereabouts is unknown upto date..

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Al-Arabi,
            Let’s be honest here, the G15 were not seeking to “share the cake” with Isayas, their message was rule of law and the implementation of the Constitution which was delayed because of the war among other things. Isayas might have had his dictatorial ambitions back then, but he didn’t reveal his monterous nature until after the G15 challenged him publicly. I guess you might find the open letter the G15 wrote in 2001 on the internet, so you might have an idea what they were upto. Yes, there were some sporadic crackdowns on some segments of our population in the first years after liberation, at a time when the EPLF leadership was so popular, and various hopefull socio-economic and political developments were taking place. For this and other reasons the people didn’t give too much attention to the suffering of some of their compatriots, which is very regrettable in hindsight. Also it is good to remember the nascent independent press came to existence only around 1996, even then it was not so open in criticising the policies of the government; so many people simply might not have heard of the attrocities that were committed on the people you mentioned.

          • iSem

            Hi Lamek:

            I write with much disappointment, as I lately see a promising kid extinguished.
            I do not blame the Tigriniya for the things that their demography affords them but that position comes with responsibility. I am on record saying the ghedli would never have succeed without the participation and ingenuity of the Tigriniya, but the power they have in numbers and in other areas relative to the other 8 groups, they squandered it for the last 25 years.
            They have not defended themselves against the aggression to their culture and dignity by the system they helped create, so what is power if you cannot defend yourself, in the contrary they have embolden the regime as they looked the other way and slowly the regime who is made up of them is destroying them, they are self destructive, their girls are raped, kidnapped, their churches divided and abused their culture as they know it will be no more in the wake of PFDJ’s death, they know it but they are complacent, they are not using their access, their sons in power to even help themselves, instead they are busy dividing themselves with regions and hating the Agames

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Lamek,

            I was taken aback!. Before deciding whether to respond to you seriously or not, I kindly ask you to please explain how “Saleh Johar…” is in the business of writing wrong history of blaming the entire Tigrinya people? This is serious allegation and you need to either retract or prove it. Thank you

          • blink

            Dear Mr. saleh johar

            relax , you are an open book to any one (justice seekers ) and i never heard of such thing from you and Mr. Amanuel , never . But some people are brothers of Eyob (tesfatsion ) so , what do you expect from such agazians . We know you better than lamek .

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Blink,

            Don’t worry about me dear, than you for the good words. But I am always relaxed, even when I face annoying stuff. And I have see so many annoyance over the years.

            Thank you

          • Solomon

            Dear SJG,

            Is there a way to reach you to address some concerns regarding the algorithm. Keep in my mind my background in digital principles and ECE. It would be counter productive to address these issues on the forum.

            tSAtSE

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Solomon,

            TOP URGENT! Is there a way to reach you, Sir, to address some concerns regarding theTHERMOBARIC WEAPON. Keep in your mind my background in physics and expertise in dynamic stereo-chemistry. Americans call the thermobaric weapon “Mother of all Bombs”, and Russians call it “Father of all Bombs”. Of course, they call it so to irritate Americans. Eritrea also is not less than the superpowers. In Eritrea we have a theromshirobaric weapon. I think you have watched boiling shiro when it sends its lava all around the place where poor mother burns her hands while her attempt to soothe it down. By coincidence we call the thermoshirobaric weapon “YICA’ALO”. The superpowers weapons destroy enemies, but ours destroy friends.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Solomon,
            I am sorry, I have no clue about algorithm . I would rather prefer you asked the forum and I am sure someone will be equally interested in the topic as you.

          • Solomon

            Selamat SJG,

            I suppose I will and will hopefully phrase it in a way that MOD and or you will not perceive in a negative way. When you see it, it will have the heading algorithm. I may very well make it an opinion piece to our community of differing opinions, thoughts ways and means spanning a hundred and eighty panoramic lenze….
            tSAtSE

          • Solomon

            Selamat Lamek,

            You are indeed a “TrumptUp”…. At the expense of the Tigrigna…Wow!

            Fighting for the Tigrigna is exactly doing opposite of what you are suggesting. And if that you said is what the PFDJ is really doing then perhaps I should be considering my TTaEisa paper and return to my birth hut in the Eritrean lowland.
            If Mr. Trump wins the US Presidency would you be the first to volunteer and help us Americans by returning to your lands if the Tigrigna?
            tSAtSE

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Semere Tesfai, Solomon, and Gen.Nit )KindisheH)
        Thanks Semere. Here is how things went upside down, and this is after giving them enough time to read it carefully. I know both Hayat, Emma and Semere Andom know exactly what I’m saying but the urge to score the cheapest possible they could score made them to run over the slimmest stuff available (ነግ ፈረግ ከይበሉ ናብታ ባናና!! ባናና ረጊጾም ዓርከይ። ሕማቕ ውዒሎም)።. For one, both Semere Andom and Emma know me better than Hayat. This doesn’t let Hayat go unscathed from YikaAlo’s whip, because she is well versed in social issues until they come to apply to Ethiopia. But irrational exuberance drive people somewhat nuts. Now here is the irony of the event, how things have turned upside down:
        1. As you correctly put it, I was defending the right of minorities and how they want to be known, just as I’m defending, in my latest comments, the defenseless minorities of Ethiopia- ironically by a minority regime which has fraudulently amassed the power and wealth of Ethiopia. I’m very proud that I never lost direction; the same attitude and the same consistency is being applied time and again when I raise these issues. The comment that they are criticizing is a textbook definition of how social groups ought to choose the identity and the name they choose. I repeated this line of thought in many of my comments and articles. INCIDENTALLY, IT WAS ALSO SAID IN MY LAST ARTICLE IN tIGRIGNA. I continue to opose any framing of issues that pitch people against people for political gains (an area which the wayane regime is so shrewd about) while at the same time I continue to fight for the rights of minorities within their proper latitude and context. I was arguing that while social groups have the right to choose their identities and priorities in any way, form or the order they may want to put them, that the solution is a united and holistic approach.
        2. Now how did the irrational exuberance drove them to run over the piles of banana?
        a/ My latest argument about the rights of minorities in Ethiopia, the Welkait, Qemant, Komo, Baher Werk Mesmes, Menja, Koncha and others who are repressed brutally by Hayat’s TPLF bigots, us in line with the basic tenet of my beliefe that simply states social groups are the owners of their affairs. If you remember, I was responding to Beyan (and actually, I did have a lengthy discussion with him on this topic. My thoughts are perfectly reflected on the comment that Hayat is trying to exploit, albeit futilely. Once again, Hayats counsel, AG, has done a poor job. He needs to be fired.
        b/ Here you are, Semere Tesfai, a man who is wrongly accused as being against minorities, coming up to defend the defendable truth, while we see our Emma, a man who is known for writing articles for the right of our social groups, falling into the pit. Isn’t it a testimony of how fast and deep our erudite members have fallen? Mind you these guys are well-read, they know exactly what I meant by that sarcastic rhetoric. But they have to do it, I mean, the urge of cornering Mahmuday must have driven them to run over the slimmest thing know to this forum, and off to the lowest depths of mockery. Well, it is a self-inflicted gashing wound, and all that in order to defend the despicable wayane which is ravaging the villages of defenseless people.
        3. Dear Nitrickay: You asked me why I continue engaging these individuals. I have a couple of reasons I hope you will understand them.
        a/ I like them because they discuss substance, they are not one-liners, and they resort to personal curses
        b/ I learn a lot from these people. The amount of the knowledge I gain from these individuals equals to the degree of separation that exists between our views.
        c/ They have become friends (Semere Andom and Emma are actual friends, and Hayat remains to be one of my virtual friend). Take it this way, when you engage with people who challenge you based on the conventions of debate, you become smarter, even though you may detest some of their views or how they frame certain arguments, you still learn some aspects of arts and scienece of the subject matter under discussion. I don’t agree with some of their views, that doesn’t mean I have to stop engaging them. On personal level, I believe they like me and I do like them.
        d/ When I engage the forum, I really come to learn, and I learn a lot from you, and from them. After all, Yikaalo became Yikaalo because Yikaalo had to face one of the best armies of Africa, and its supporters , the officers of the Soviet, who were humbled by the humble Eritrean tegadalay. This is to say, that opposition to once views is good; it helps refine his/her views.
        Solomon: Yes, they are swarming on me, but you know we say “The truthful stick may get thinner, but it never breaks.” You know what I mean.
        But for all fairness these friends deserve a classic song. I was going to choose Yikaalo of Wedi Tikul, but I think a more fitting song would be Akberet Ankere’s “alash abelnayom ab xetaH golgol.”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZuPOBRnYic

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Greetings Mahmoud Saleh,

          Read this quote well:
          “By the way, could you please take the “Tigre” title from me, please? I never heard that until I attended politicawi temhrti.”

          If you stopped at “take the ‘Tige’ tile from me” things would have been on your side; but “I never heard that (which is Tigre) until I attended politicawi temhrti”) makes the accusations of Hayat very true. You didn’t hear about Tigre until the distorted sick minds , Nitricc, Solomon, ect. and their likes taught you politicawi timhrti. Feel comfort with the leftovers of “Ras Alula” militias; Our proud and courageous Tigre people doesn’t need you.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Mahmuday,
          This could have been handled in 110 better ways. Best and most economical of all would have been, “I misspoke”. Honestly, it pains me to see you working hard the wrong way. This is not something you solve through hard work. Was there a vocabulary that includes useful phrases like “I made a mistake, I regret, I misjudge, I am sorry, etc” in the politicawi timhrti you mentioned? Lol.
          Let’s close this issue and move on.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            This is the quote that is raising a lot of eye browses.

            “By the way, could you please take the “Tigre” title from me, please? I never heard that until I attended politicawi temhrti.” Mahmud Saleh.

            Now let assume Mahmoud Saleh was not joking when he said that. So what is wrong with that?
            :
            Well, to make the case for the argument, let’s leave the Tigre identity for a moment, and use the Tigrigna identity instead. Since that is the ethnic group you and I know the most that is. What is wrong if I say “By the way, could you please take the “Tigrigna” title from me, please? I never heard that until I attended politicawi temhrti in Sahel.”

            You know as much as I do, language evolve all the time. How do they evolve? By adding new vocabularies and by improving the grammar of the language, by the elite of their respective communities. Would all the new words, be accepted by all? No. But over time, people would get used to them – even the words that were considered controversial at some point.

            Not Just words, but also IDENTITIES and NAMES of Nations, Nationalities, mountains, rivers, plains……. evolve all the time. By who? Again by the elite of their respected communities. Do people agree all the time with the newly invented identities/names? Absolutely not. But overtime most do.

            Now, if I say, ‘I’m not ethnic Tigrigna, never been one, and never want to be in the future. Please take the ethnic Tigrigna identity from me.’ I’m proud Akeleguzotay/Serewetay/Hamassienay. What is wrong with that? Don’t we have people in the opposition saying that all the time? AM I REJECTING MY TRUE IDENTITY IF I SAY THAT? What if i say – I’m not Tigrigna, I’m not Serewetay, I’m not Akeleguzetay, and I’m not even Hamassienay? I’m WEDI-LEGOCHIWA.

            PEOPLE ARE GIVEN NEW IDENTITY BY THEIR ELITE OR BY FOREIGN POWERS ALL THE TIME. AND PEOPLE RESIST THE NEW IDENTITY GIVEN TO THEM ALL THE TIME.

            To support Mahoud Saleh’s points, let me say few things about the ethnic “Tigrigna” people (of course I’m willing to be corrected).

            During my grandfather years and beyond:

            – ANSEBA people never considered themselves as Hamassienot. When they head to the Asmara area top plateaus, they were saying – ኣብዚ ዝባን ሓማሴን ብጽሕ ኢለ ክምለስ ‘የ ይብሉ ነሮም:: But later they accepted that reality (almost) and now they are given a new REGIONAL identity ANSEBA.

            – AREZA people never considered themselves as SEREWETOT. They considered themselves ደቂ ቆላሰረ (ቆላ ሰራየ)::

            SEFEA and TSLMA (ሰፍኣን ጽልማን) people never considered themselves SEREWETOT. They considered themselves LEGE-CHIWA. But again, they are accepting their new identity as time goes by.

            The point: Jeberty or no Jeberty, any group of people can identify themselves any way they want. And that was exactly what Mahmoud Saleh was telling Beyan Negash.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear SemereT,
            The point is if there anyone here who would jump to defend MahMuday in the real sense, no one should be feeling more closer than me. I like him. You don’t have to defend him. Of all the things, I have been arguing with him, this one is of no substance and inconsequential. You don’t have to do anything to defend him. There is nothing to say. It is not whether Mahmuday can say this or that. It is something about Mahmuday could have put to rest easily. Lets try it in Q&A.
            You said what is wrong if Mahmuday said that?
            My answer is nothing wrong.
            Then, what is it?
            Mahmuday said that he never uttered those words.
            Just that?
            No, more than that. He said that I was inventing them (or lying) to make him look bad.
            So?
            So, some one dag into his disqus and found them.
            So, did he denied that was not him?
            No.
            No?
            No. But he said he was being sarcastic.
            So?
            1- It doesn’t look like sarcastic. 2- he could have said that from the very beginning instead of saying he never said it and accusing me of coming with something that was never said.
            Okay, what is your point?
            I n t g r i t y.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Hayat,

            You proposed integrity, that is okay, but there is no chapter of integrity in his politicawi timhirt.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Hameed,
            He is larger than that politicawi timhirti. He doesn’t know it yet.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Semere Tesfai,

            You appear to be one of the engineers who are imposing new divisions and names by the barrel of a gun. You can name as you like as far as you are ruling the country by force; but you have to understand well all is null and void. You have introduced as medium of education mother languages, languages that do not have fundamental requirements of education, to create uneducated generations. Do you know the main reason behind the underdevelopment of Ethiopia and Somalia from all African countries, it is their system of education where their children waste their elementary level learning almost dead languages. For 25 years your machine of destruction worked upon our people, and the saddest part of it you failed to recognize the disaster you perpetrated. Really, you wasted more than two golden decades from our people in which they would have been evolved naturally without your distorted intervention. I want to remind, Mr. Shitara, Stalin removed peoples thousands of kilometers from their homelands, but after seventy years of exile everything returned back to its origin. Rulers of Ethiopia tried to impose their language and culture in Eritrea, again everything went contrary to what they were dreaming of. Mr. Shitara, you didn’t create the people of Eritrea to mold them as you like. The only thing you excel at is leaving behind you a bad legacy to your children. Believe me, your children will be ashamed of what you are doing at present.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere T,

            Pretty robust defense venture there. Sounds a skilled defense attorney’s way of dealing with likely unwinnable.
            Desisting myself from being involved in the debate around the issue, I would like to make a couple of points on the general thought you have offered. It is true that our people in their rural habitat do deal with novel things and interaction in the way you have related in your comment. In fact it’s conventional and universal across our country. We understand that our people have not had chance to evolved overriding national concepts under a stable nation-state in which citizenship as well as rights-duty mental attitudes had crystalized. The common mental attitude remains even to date as local or provincial.

            But the matter takes another trend and meaning when a government tries to impose moods, trends and identities as matter of endgame oriented state policy. Denying or glossing over what the authoritarian regime, even from its early existing in the field, has been developing tantamount to mockery or slighting people observing faculties. One can refer to political orientation (indoctrination) pamphlets the PLF-ELF (EPLF later) had been issuing. Close look at their content cannot miss the methodology of inculcation catered to end up the receivers shed whatever form of identity they hailed from.

            It could be noted why the front was insisting on sanctity of 8 nationalities without even bothering to put the issue in its at least classical conceptual context unlike its counterpart (ELF) did and corrected after the congress of 1971. The goal of that policy become clear when EPLF as government decreed that school children should learn in their mother-tongue. No one with the minimum thinking capacity can miss what that meant. At that time, some of the victim segments of our people had not had yet alphabetized languages. So, which of the components of the society will have the advantage is not hard to figure out.

            Thus, in a word it is no wonder that a child or young who was exposed to political-cultural environment I just mentioned could evolve to the stage of denying own identity. I think this is not peculiar to us as Eritreans.

            Regards,
            Ismail

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Ismail AA

            “Thus, in a word it is no wonder that a child or young who was exposed to political-cultural environment I just mentioned (indoctrinated by EPLF) could evolve to the stage of denying own identity.”

            We all Eritreans – somehow in someway, our thinking is heavily influenced/shaped by our past experience. And to all of us (almost all of us) Ghedli and the politics of Ghedli was close to our heart. Therefore, yes, the influence is there, but not as profound as you’re making it to be. Case in point: Mahmud Saleh and I didn’t come from the same pool of politics.

            The point: let’s not LABEL and JUDGE each-other. Let’s debate issues to make wrongs right.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Semere Tesfai,

            Quote:
            “Therefore, yes, the influence is there, but not as profound as you’re making it to be.”

            All receivers of indoctrinate are not equal, some may influence them to the extent of denying own identity.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan SemereT
            Firstly Hayat deserves my HONEST answer. I know how she was put in a precarious situation when Angafaw MS challenged her to produce a proof of her allegation asserting that I denied my identity. Some awatista brought a comment from the depths of disqus. Taken literally, and I believe Hayat took it that way, one may make the argument that I was denying or rejecting my identity. This is for folks who don’t understand the relation of the name -Tigre- and the cultural heritage of a proud people it came to represent. I would never feel of myself denying my heritage, my people and their language. Tigre people are more complex than the name it was given to them by colonizers. We are Tigrayet speaking people with more proud identities that describe us than the Tigre name. That’s why I’m asking Ustaz IsmaelAA to let me know how intimately knowledgeable of the people he is. I don’t know Al-Arabi, I understand what Haile Zeru is saying but I

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Ustaz Semere T.
            Your point in paragraph two is correct. But your concluding remark (LABEL an JUDGE) seemed to me a bit out stretched. I hope you are not saying that I am in the business of labelling or judging anyone. My comments did not address anybody save an attempt to jot a few words on your general thoughts. The whole story is that an issue has been raised, and we exchanged views between two of us. Of course, others could write their opinion on them.
            Thus, let us please read the words we scribble in their intended contexts.
            Regards,
            ismail.

          • Solomon

            Selamat Mo”The Best”Mo,

            I believe there is some input, perhaps Mr. IshmaEElAA would phrase soothingly better, that necessitate the negation of “let’s move on.” Here, I am in agreement with the eloquent and always “on a weekend mood” The Princess Hyatt Adam. Here, I am referring to her centipede carrying Six legged Ant Propagandacracy narration to emphatically reject my repeated “When I move you move! Just like that.” Ludacris of ATL references. I truly would enjoy a to see a children’s illustration reading book about the Caterpillar and the Ant, in the Oromo, Somali or Static languages for starters. I wonder if we can draw analogies of Eritrea as the Ant and Ethiopia as the .75 or 1.0 Centipede in 1989, 1990, 1991? She is with great talent indeed, not quite the Millipede, to be the female and Ethiopoian/Eritrean KndishiH. Centipede is more fitting considering the 1:100 ratio analysis of recent– I couldn’t resist the banter despite my aversion to treating fallen soldiers of any nation from the devastations if war as mere mathematical statistics.
            Speaking of Bint Ankere’s “Alash Abelnayom”, I am cautiously following your scientific, (social sciences folks…) methodology for a just and maximum mutual benefits end steady trench line stance. Though, I must be honest that skepticism I do have and the temptation to step into the ring with your The Greatest adapted “I float like a butter fly and sting like a bee” defeating of your opponent’s before the bell rings and without punches thrown. I believe I can take you the full 15 rounds #for#… Oh yeah, I challenge the sting… It’s a no trainer, Honey comb architecture for Queen Hyatt the First Vs. Ant architecture for Queen Faitinga. I got the bottle neck cap of Ksad Adi Shirum teAkiben yenn zmesla zelewa Hi. Let’s think safe passage and peace bridge on this Meskel sacred holiday….

            Now, I will quote myself later, but when Semere Tesfay was first to reappear immediately post the COI-ICC report in Geneva, I personally welcomed him back and hoped for the return of his semi or ardent PFDJ supporters, I believe, such as david and Ted. I believed I equated the COI-ICC/ICC to the second Sixth offensive though Dedebit’s Weyane was or is said to have orchestrated significantly the latter. It is to be remembered their solid defense of SaHil’s Dejen against the Dergue’s Sixth offensive for the the survival of Eritrean and Ethiopian just armed revolutions initiated by Hameed Idris’ Awate. Egele Hameed and Egele HatSin in Akelle (sounds like Eggele in Saho?) Guzay. (Perhaps, I am reaching) and Hameed of Barka and his HatSin in 61. I can now appreciate and unscientifically confirm your educating us on the Tigre intermarriages and strong presence spaning the entire area Eritrea from Massawa to OmHajer and family ties through intermarriages with the Saho, Narra, Bilen, Afar, Kunama, Hidaren …Tigrigna.
            ….
            ….
            But I began with a warning to bring back the PFDJ supporters by stating the EPLFites Post COI-ICC/ are setting up to repeat the political errors and blunders of 1991 should they prematurely declare Fait Accompli and Persona non-grata to other Eritreans. Open to debate of course. I as am therefore hoping for the return of the Ddawits to the forum to help tame down and fight the Goliath that is all of us Eritreans first and foremost. And for Tesfay Semere to acquire a taste for the benefits of a two way street, thanks IshmaEElAA for your one way contrast.

            Buying my first Monkey suit of the rack, for the purpose of looking to part in delivering the prophetic ominous warning by the founders and first officers of Eritrean Student Union at SUNY Buffalo in August of 1991 to Tegadalay MaHmood Sherifo. To this day his one word “Aytisekef’ rather polite response and that hideous Monkey suit and cravat haunts me. I just don’t like Suits Period

            P.S. I rather enjoyed iSEMs nay Adey Mergem Kem tSolot “asnanka drQmm ybela” followed by Qdmieks sTeHani spoof of ykeAlo MaHmood SaliH. Yes Semere Andom, there is room for da Dark side in the Eritrean political fight against ourselves Goliath. For better effect and converts the same can be said for nearly all Eritreans should the nation be invaded. Listen to the brother Caotain Saay7, you Marlin Brando Appocolyps Now Wana be!!! From what I hear you ain’t exactly got Daniel TekleHaimanots Chogar Danga.. Mn ybela neh mroTT TiTeh bishkeleta, Toyota ye Wuchi Hager Tank wede meidda Eritrea teshenkoretit felegk:) Try it dude, a lot more effective use for your resourcefulness for attaining your desired goal. Scientific ejji wede layy shall recommence Right About Now.

            Captain Saay7, allow me please… I have been chatting with Mr. Hegel…and The Princess Hyatt Adam

            “When I move you move! Just like that.” Hook ’em up Ludacris
            Georgia, Carolina on ma mind.

            tSAtSE

          • Ismail AA

            Tina yehabelna Selie,
            Your earned my vote; I like the combinations you use in your style. It sounds like Bashai Temelso of Aba Selama and Ali Gomaa of Dioot debating ( if you ever heard stories of these wise Abotat) before a tribunal (baito) shimagle abotat. Thank you for your Qumneger mis waza type of commenting.
            Regards,
            Ismail.

          • Solomon

            Dear Mr. IshmaelAA,

            You are welcomed. But I feel it is I that should be, AND AM, very appreciative for folks like you, Aya Amanuel and all contributors in this great forum, that have shaped my style and continue to tremendously increase my knowledge on our Eritrean and Ethiopian histories.

            “It sounds like Bashai Temelso of Aba Selama and Ali Gomaa of Dioot debating ( if you ever heard stories of these wise Abotat) before a tribunal (baito) shimagle abotat.”

            I have not, though I am very familiar with the aesthetics of the Eritrean Baito settings of the Adi. I could request from you and or others to share or provide publications links for the art’s revival movement here in Baito Awate.

            Regards,

            tSAtSE

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mahmuday,

          I do not believe our debates are focused to corner your opponents. At least to assure you myself. But unfortunately, we have a habit of not accepting our mistakes. Accepting errors or mistskes only shows how an individual can learn from his/her friends or opponents. Intetestingly enough I always state that Eritreans learn from their mistakes indirectly without admitting their mistakes. There is this reverse psychological myth that works in their mind, and that is, if you accept your mistake it is weakness and submissiveness

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Semere T,
        Avoiding involvement in such kind of debate, I thought I must jot a few words on the dimension your statement in support of one side in the debate purports. Close scrutiny could lead keen observer to mark the deeply concealed intent and cynicism. Now. tell me what prime minster (ship) or “small … community” notions would add to the debate except an attempt to voice out some kind of superiority complex. Correct me if I miss read you.
        Regards,
        Ismail

        • Semere Tesfai

          Ahlen Ismail AA

          Abu Afan: don’t take the PRIME MINISTER thing very seriously. It’s joke, sarcastic jock at that. If I’m not mistaken, it was coined by Hayat Adem. Why? Don’t know, but let me guess:

          In his own right, Mahmoud saleh is the biggest gun in the land of the Mereb Mlash. And South of the Mereb River, Mrs. HIWET is the undisputed heavyweight champ of the AgAzians. To kill Mahmud Saleh’s ideas and all the ideas that don’t see any glimmer of hope praying at DEBRE-DAMO, she labeled the TOP-GUN “PRIME MINSTER”. And she is going for the Kill. The rest is history.

          So, I’m just trying to be, loyal soldier of the “prime minster” – as my very existence is intertwined with his. That’s all.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere T,
            Thanks for the new namen(Abu Afan); that is indeed great when one is aware of its origin and connotation.
            Yes, it seems the word “sarcasm” is becoming a lexicon of political cliché for evading answering questions.
            By the way, I did know about the story you have related on guns south of the Mereb and AgAzians championships or the prayer at the famous Debre-Damo. May be that was before I joined the army of debaters in this forum. Anyway, the main part of my earlier comment seemed to have escaped your sharp attention, or was it deliberate omission?
            Regards,
            Ismail.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ismail,

            Semere T. dismisses questions he can not answer them. He comes when he felt the regime is attacked. Do not expect him to debate on ideas, and he never was. Did you notice when they are caught with wrong statements they tell you that they were making sarcastic bluffs. ናይዚኦም ነገር መትሓዚ የብሉን::

            regards

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Aman,
            In that case, it would be one way traffic. Being at receiving end only and dodging the giving one does not create conducive environment for debating matters of common concern which this forum has offered to host. Anyway, let us wait and see before issuing verdict.
            Regards,
            Ismail.

          • Thomas

            Hi Ismail,

            Emma is right that Semere T visits this website whenever the DIA’s regime is threatened. He starts to defend the indefensibly regime and when challenged he runs away. That why I always call him an idiot as:

            “If you’re not gonna tell the truth,then why start talking?” – Gene Wilder

          • Solomon

            Selamat Aya Amanuel,

            If you would be kind Aya, “metHazi krikebelom ente kiAilowu ente kiEireyu”

            I picked up Machiavelli’s The Prince from a coffee table by chance… As Voltair’s Candeed, the book is small enough to fit on my Wrangler back pocket and I was pickpocketed or it simply dropped… I like the pickpocketed better, because I appreciate inquisitive minds that would go to that extent to acquire knowledge and know how. So, I was delighted upon seeing it and did not hesitate to pickcoffetable this copy by simply slipping it into my back pocket.

            Undoubtedly Aya Amanuel you and Captain Saay7 and many others in this site have read and studied the book thoroughly. I am certain to even make a gentleman’s wager to claim you are able to recite any chapter from the Machiavelli’s The Prince on demand. (You name the wager and should I have this claim wrong, I will honor you by complying with your demand. You can tell me with your response –Honor system.)

            My question is rather short and succinct.

            Given yours and Saay7’s on going debate on whether the Eritrean political leadership is a Monocracy or a System,

            1. Can we find a “metHazi” on chapters 8,9,10 of the book I mention regarding the Eritrean current government?(I ask you kindly for brevity to call it a government.)

            2. And in your opinion, can you please expound on what the “MetHazis” are rather thoroughly, as of the time of your reading this (now) without pointing me to your previous labors of love, by putting your academic hat? I will greatly appreciate your input as it will be useful for my follow up question as well as my useful ongoing contribution at this forum.

            Now Aya Amanuel, years back, by chance after calculating SERP and severance packages up to $5M for some for very tallented Corporate CEOs, I turned Right on Market Street from California Street to catch BART (Subway to you) but not before catching Former President Bill Clinton giving a speech on the Powell Street station on Market Street on a stage set out side for the public. I believe he was campaigning for John Kerry. In his speech he spoke of Machiavelli’s Prince. I listened attentively to the President, who was less than Forty Yards away from where I stood, if not a as short as the Red Zone for a touch down hand shake, but I digress..
            To this day, I recall vividly a question President Clinton put forth for the gathered San Francisco public and tourists alike to ponder for a few moments. It goes would out saying, that I would like you to do the same before, during and after your response.
            He asked: “If everybody is wrong, then who is right?”

            Your brother,

            tSAtSE

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Solomon (Selye),

            I love your inquisitive mind when it is founded on moral relativism and tenaciously subjected to rigorous examinations. Remember do not be banded with individuals who refuse to acknowledge their mistakes, for it affects the moral foundation of truth you are fighting for. Second, do not expect long hateta (from here and there) from Ayaka Amanuel . I will give you a response on two issues (a) I will clarify to you the issue of “a system” and “a government”. A government is one of the three features (pillars) that explains a functioning “state”. The other two being “civil society” and “private sector” Yes there is a government in Eritrea where the state and the government are one – a state stood by one pillar with the absence of the two. A system is a different political variant that explains the nature of the government that includes its ideology and its structural functions. our debate with Saay wasn’t “whether the Eritrean political leadership is a Monocracy or a System” as you alluded in your comment. Our debate was whether there is a system in Eritrea or not. The political leaderships are the personalities that are assorted in to the governmental structure. With this short explanation, I hope it will be clear the differences of “political leadership”, ” a system”, and “a government.” (b) Machiavellianism is a political plague of cynical disregard of morality that only focuses on self-interest and personal gains. The regime in Asmara is solely working for group interest or for PFDJ interest as a political organ. Since their motivations are cold selfishness and pure instrumentality, they are living by eliminating each other, the way General wuchu had explained in the 90s. Remember that we are fighting against machiavelianism. Therefore do not marvel Machiavelli and the ideology of offense.

            regards

          • Solomon

            Dear Aya Amanuel,

            Thank you for the kind encouraging remarks and I will utilize towards the completion of the trend of my thoughts to draw those who are in agreement with a point of view that may very well be different than your and/or Saay7.

            Though I quickly dismissed the feeling of “a one way”, as Mr. IshmaEElAA nudged Semere Tesfay, to your line “don’t expect a long Hatteta”, I am a bit critical of your incomplete answere. The rational could be being pressed for time or a further directive for yours truly to give clarity to my first address to you.

            In higher learning institutions, some professors teach undergraduate or introductory courses a lot less frequently than others. Their focused, based on tenure perhaps, being graduate, post doctorate, research, as well as hands on field work in their community. They do however reappear out of their own quests need to the undergraduate large lecture halls. They teach and learn from the very young minds for the main purpose of the building on to the continuing and efficient solutions to their societies current problems and ills. With this basis I am therefore requesting of you to resubmit another response while I do my part of the bulk work you per your suggestion from my reading your above response. And it should so!

            I too am pressed for time at the moment….

            tSnuQue Sembituu ya JamiAAt Al Khiernaa–DeQui Hager.

            tSAtSE

      • Peace!

        Selam Semere,

        To whom are you referring when you said “small communities,” if you don’t mind? I am just curious to know if there are foreigners in Eritrea fighting against the inhuman brutal evil PFDJ for justice.

        Peace!

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Peace

          “To whom are you referring when you said “small communities,” if you don’t mind?”

          Thank you for asking. As you can see my comment was regarding Mahmud Saleh’s long Hateta. And what was Mahmud Saleh’s long Hateta all about? It was about:

          DEFENDING THE RIGHT OF SMALL ERITREAN COMMUNITIES (SUBSET OR COMPONENTS OF THE TIGRE AND TIGRIGNA COMMUNITIES) TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES FREELY IN ANY WAY THEY WANTED TO.

          Mind you: The long Hateta was never about Nara, was never about Bilen, was never about Hidareb, was never about Saho, was never about Kunama, was never about Afar……. or any other ETHNIC GROUP – as they are happy with their current identity.

          Mahmud Saleh’s comment was laser-focused on the right of Jeberty to depart from the existing -subset or component of the Tigrigna identity.

          And the same goes to (if they choose to do so) The Almedas, The Asfedas, The Regbat……. if they choose to depart from their current identity (subset or a component) of the Tigre identity.

          N.B. First I thought the controversy was on the use of the word “community”, now I think it wasn’t the the use of the word “community” but the use of the word “small”. I hope I understood the misunderstanding, and I hope I answered your question.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Peace!

            Selam Semere,

            Thank you! But I really don’t understand why you seem trying to impose your choice on others. If there are “sub ethnics” that wish to depart, why not, does it create a problem? I don’t think so. By the way, who sets the criteria for legitimizing and admitting groups? who said we should only have 9 ethnic groups and imposed the name of spoken language as the name of ethnic group. It just don’t make sense: The Rashaida speak Arabic, but we don’t call them Arabs; same thing with Americans, they speak English, but we call them Americans, regardless. Please stop categorizing people against their wishes and denying their rights as it will do no harm to honor their choice.

            Peace!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Peace

            1. – “I really don’t understand why you (Semere Tesfai) seem trying to impose your choice on others.”

            Where did you get that idea? Can you quote me on that?
            How could I impose my will when I’m not in a position to do so? Absurd, isn’t it?

            2. – “Who said we should only have 9 ethnic groups?”

            I don’t know; but the eight and nine ethnic group thing has been there for the last half a century. The only new names of ethnics that has changed recently are, ethnic Tigrigna and ethnic Nara – from Kebessa and Baria in that order.

            3. – ” Please stop categorizing people against their wishes and denying their rights as it will do no harm to honor their choice.”

            Who did what? Who changed what? I told you, how can I change anything if I’m not in a position to do so? Please!

            Semere Tesfai

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Semere T.,

    Appreciate your feedback.
    Regarding support of the regime, my point was qualified by the phrase “in one way or the other”. In fact, if I am not mistaken, and your political background (ELF) renders me reserved of not making gross generalization, assuming fighters in the ELF were very much exposed to its liberal tendencies as embodied in its National Democratic Program. A person of such background can hardly become cardholding member of PFDJ. If I am indulging in sheer speculation, I ask an excuse in advance.

    As to your points and rationale on the mass flight of the youth, I get your point that the matter is complicated. Objectively speaking, it is true that those who are dying on their way or making it to reach destinations are in one way or the other financially capable. They have someone in the diaspora who affords to pay the cost. It can even be added that some of the well to do, well connected and financially capable loyalists do send their children abroad. Some of these do quickly connect with regime consulates. Moreover, the larger majority of those who run away and cross the borders still remain in camps of the neighboring countries.

    But all said and done, were conditions not rendered hellish and economically futureless, don’t you think a youth who would be given choice of either be given $ 10,000 to invest at home or risk the peril of braving the seas or deserts would go for the former? Roundly and objectively considered, thus, the cause for the recurring tragedies our youth and people are facing is the regime and its oppressive rule. The regime has long ago lost any benefit of doubt. It is presiding over death of a nation by way of depleting it from generations that are supposed to sustain it.
    Regards,
    Ismail

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Semere Tesfai,

    You have said “I never denied PFDJ mistakes and misdeeds “. Could you list all the mistakes and misdeeds you believe they have committed in the last 25 years? May be we are misundrstood each other. When you listed them put them in a category (political, social, economy, human right, and international relation) for purposes of simplification when we try to address them. I hope you will not dismiss the question as you have been doing in the past. Otherwise, the quoted statement has no value whatsoever to claim the PFDJ has committed mistakes and misdeeds without telling us what they are.

    Regards
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam Emma

      Would tell us why is Semere required to answer that? Why should he list the “mistakes and misdeeds” he may believe PFDJ is committing or has committed? Since you are acting as the gatekeeper (judge) of who is the REAL you know what, would you please do the list for us. It should be easy for you: list the reasons as to why you would dismantle PFDJ. If you do it correctly, I will up vote you, and you know those are the “mistakes and misdeeds” Semere is alluding to. I can tell you Emma, he has given me the approval to speak on his behalf. Yep, let me see, Go ahead Emma. It’s easy. For, today, I’m taking the role of the gatekeeper. Please don’t dismiss this request saying “mine is in the public domain”, because all of us have the right to dismiss requests that way. Otherwise, your question has no value whatsoever to claim that you are the Gatekeeper and we should pass through you if we are to ascertain that we are good ‘opposition” members. Without telling us what they are, we can’t just assume you mean what we think you mean.

      WadeH? Claro? Pulire? 明确? fehemta alkelam? fehemkahu mami? ghedbah wey? teredie’uka’do’zi Hawey? have you got ?
      Emma the last ones are just for warming you up. No matter what, I always find fun and interesting chats with you.
      Take care and don’t forget to answer the question.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selemat Mahmuday,

        Let alone mistakes and misdeeds, I have written about the crimes of PFDJ for the last 20 years. Second I did not call for the mismanagement of the party rather I did call for the mismanagement of the system they run repeatedly. Just read the recent article which is still in the front page. Therefore, let Semere answer my questions and if he want to reciprocate my question he could. Otherwise, tell me if he is in your team or admit himself that you represent him in all what you say, then I will go ahead.

  • said

    Greeting
    Morality and human rights are secondary, a totally none issue in Eritrea .Of all important east African regional population gatherings, Eritrean people, a good 3 million block of indigenous population of predominately Tigrinya and Tigre people and other minorities, the vast majority are left out –disfranchised, with the exception of the IA and his core regime supporters – without an outreaching regional socioeconomic and socio-political developmental program despite the ever mushrooming young population existing out. Ravaged by unending exploitative PFDJ regime – mainly by tiny minority – hegemonic socio-political plans carried out under the tutelage of dominant by IA power and executed by his like people of locally entrenched and Tigray opposition group stationed in Eritrea as proxies with tied to common interests, the Eritrean populations are increasingly receding backward, mired in small bity local strife and depleted of their scarce indigenous economic resources in wasteful endeavors and refuge camped in Sudan and Ethiopia. With the continuing in population growth and the absence of well-conceived commensurate economic opportunities, the greater majority of the Eritrean population, possibly to the tune of more than 60%, are stuck in abject poverty, continuous lowering of the standard of living, pervasive illiteracy, low levels of education and total absence of job opportunities.

    IA and his puppet bombard us with phrases like one people one heart ‘national interest,’ interest of Eritrea above all ‘national security,’ and ‘national defense’ as if all of these concepts applied equally to all of us, ethnicity and faith group, the rich or the down rotten poor, have the same equity and interests as the rest of us, as if IA has the same interest as the young man or woman he sends to endless military services and war.
    Surely, in the history of lies told to the population, this is the biggest lie at one point of time no more hold. In the history of EPLF secrets, withheld from the Eritrean people, this is the biggest secret: that there are number of IA cohort ruling classes with different interests in Eritrea. To ignore that — not to know that the history of EPLF and the regime in Asmara is a history of exclusive club against others in general be Tigre or other ethic minorities, is so obvious — is to render us helpless before all the lesser lies told to us by dictatorship in power. PFDJ succeed where Ethiopian colonizer failed to access to the low land vast richness’ fertile land, natural resources to own to its interest position. Denied to indigenous population of predominately Tigre to prosper and receive monetary benefit from their natural resources.
    The cult of national unity is an old one, and it exists for a reason. It dovetails with, and reinforces, a number of other patriotic Eritrean myths. Among them is the myth of “EPLF/PFDJ Exceptionalism in libertine Eritrea” like any Power, ultimately, depends on consent of its loyalist. And consent depends on deception and ignorance. Once those people begin to see through its legitimizing ideologies, the system of power is eventually and surly will be doomed.
    Opportunistic the smugglers profiteers. have for two decades and half increased their wealth and power and used it to enrich themselves while making Eritrean lives, lifeless, more suffering, difficult and less comprehensible. And the implication that Eritrean do not deserve human dignity. Only human ugliness that descends from on high is in some sense ‘very ugly’ than its expressions emanating from the unwashed masses adds a dimension of tribal division. The vast majority of Eritrean will not ever enjoy economic justice— political rights that exclude full and meaningful economic participation assume away the necessity of existing to act politically. Put differently, economic existence is political to the point where economic differences, asymmetries, have no effect on the distribution of political power. Therein lies the sleight-of-hand that ties PFDJ opportunistic, the smugglers profiteer’s Mafioso to IA.
    Classical by gone era communist system practiced by EPLF/PFDJ assumed distinct realms of the political and the economic total control, hence the critique that it was / is the political philosophy of ruling class. ‘All men (were) created equal’ as long as they are EPLF/PFDJ supporter, Kebesa and preferably of IA inner circle descent. the so called manifesto of ( Nehnan Alamanan), the policies of exclusion. Is clearly a wide open discrimination is well-understood by the adherent of IA inner circle. this significant numbers of adherents who are sincerely serving their master are typical ardent supporters. The wonder is the personal attributes of this tiny profiteers. This bunch of losers who are scapegoating their own failures.
    The most likely resolution of the social divisions now roiling Eritrean at large would come through broader distribution of political rights and equitable economic power. That this is the one solution that the system of PFDJ official politics exists to prevent creates a paradox that dictatorship is incapable of resolving.
    By now IA holds a special place in Eritrean short history. With a laundry list of crimes against humanity to his ‘credit, it had touched every Eritrean life one way or another. The point here isn’t name calling; it is a calling to account to his crime. The hard choices belong to those on the receiving end of PFDJ power— to those who saw their families murdered and their communities destroyed by maestro IA. Conflation of choice with its absence in matters of life, murder, crime, death and the multitudinous details of how we get by in Eritrea lies in some measure behind the current PFDJ political utter disaffection being expressed with Eritrean opposition or Eritrean diaspora in streets of Europe or any where. ……In the meanwhile, let Eritrea sink and count of the suffering mount

  • Haile Zeru

    Hi All

    Ms Burton or Ms Brutus a white, heart less woman. She could have been any one of those
    white only jurors that indict an innocent black man and exonerate a guilty
    white man in the USA “in-justice system”. In this case the black innocent men
    are the thousands of Eritreans that are fleeing the brutal regime of DIA. With
    conscientious looking face and a balanced observer demeanour she uttered things
    the GOE officials would have hard time saying or maintaining composure in
    uttering them. May be Yemane Monkey could have tried. I guess.

    All her answers are verbal acrobatics to deceive the
    uninformed and please her employer or whomever is paying her bills. Probably to
    sooth her conscience also, if she have any.

    In the process she makes look stupid the American
    intelligence officer that utters the sentence about Eritrean government control
    outside Asmara city limits. I am sure she wouldn’t give his name.

    I commend Dr. Beshir and the Priest Doctor. I think they did
    a good job.

    As for Mahmud Saleh I am ashamed of you. A person that
    claims to be Tigre and defends this government’s policy is simply a shame. It
    defies analysis, logic. The Tigre Ethnic group, which according to the official
    GOE interpretation includes all Tigre
    speaking people. They are the second largest
    ethnic groups. Historically they inhabit in the 70 to 80% of Eritrea Land mass.
    Yet they are the ones that have least, minimal say on the affairs of the
    country.

    We cannot even apply pressure on PFDJ to get back (re-settle) unimpeded the thousands that left
    Eritrea during Haile Selasssie and Derg times, and are still in Sudan Refugee
    camps. Most of the refugees in Sudan in the 60’s and 70’s are mostly Tigre.

    -The 30 year war of independence was, relatively, much more devastating to the Tigre population

    -During the whole 30 years most of the area inhabited by Tigre people was a continuous combat zone.

    Which, obviously, had a devastating effect on the people.

    -The Land laws of PFDJ and the 1997 constitution are land grab without any regards for Tigre people’s interests.

    What is the percentage of Eritrean Tigre in the development plan of the Government? Nill, actually
    negative.

    How many students that go abroad for various studies funded by the government are Tigre?

    What’s the number of Tigre in the decision making of PFDJ?

    What is the percentage of Eritrean bank loans in Barca to the BeniAmir compared to Tigrinya speaking
    individuals?

    The answers to the above questions are negative, Nill, zero.

    The Eritrean prisons are full of Eritrean Tigre yet we hear very little of them. Most of the Muslims that were imprisoned and killed without trial under the accusation of Jihad are Tigre.

    Yet we have here a man who declares himself Tigre, who writes pages and pages to embellish the ugly image of PFDJ. He calls “Bitzai” another declared Tigrinya Ethnic Fascist, Semere Tesfay.

    It is very disappointing……..

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Greetings Haile Zeru

      You are very right. Mahmud Saleh should be ashamed of himself to defend the undefendable. He has chosen to be the advocate of a devil, the devil who will reward him one day with imprisoning or slaughtering; this reiterated to many who were from the narrow circle or far from it. This is the destiny of anyone who serves mafia.

    • blink

      Dear Hail zeru

      What !! Mahmud saleh’s points of view has to do with him being Tigre ? what a cornered idea is that ? Try new one and bring your own idea instead of dancing around a failed notion. You do not have to spend that much time on him , You have a criminal government and you have enough material to write about the government. The fact that this man spend his time writing and teaching ignorant people (idiotic people ,who has zero interest of Eritrea) about Eritrea and its people , I think he has the best chance destroying any once idea in this forum or any forum when it comes to the interest of Eritrea as a country . People like you have been around trying to vomit hate among Eritreans and yet you failed , because such people like Mahmud saleh spent their time telling people and warning people that all sheep are not sheep . We have figured out long time ago that we must not listen to war mongering people . So many people have tried even as far as calling for open war on Eritreans by the help of EPRDF’s foot soldiers yet we do not listen to them. You want change in Eritrea work with your people, guard the unity of the Eritrean people and topple this dictator unless every other way is closed.

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Greetings blink,

        The very people who created hate among Eritreans are those who are dancing around the devil. You are the very one who vomits hate among Eritreans if you are not sure go back to your comment and read it again. The moment you and your likes stop their distorted notion then only Eritrea and her people will be healthy. This will require hard work but at the end of the day the Eritrean people success is inevitable.

        • blink

          Dear Hameed
          Yes , i think all Ethiopians can approve your statemnet . Not with Eritrea , look in Eritrea it is just very hard to see how PFDJ favor the Tigrinja speaking people . My argument is that we can never ever build any strong opposition by pointing fingers to our brothers based on ethnics . It is just not going to work . Also i do not see the link between Your comment to Mr. M, Saleh to that of this scholarship. We had horrible leaders , we have stupid leaders and i can not imagine we will entertain horrible opposition who claim any one who has different view to be framed as a supporter to the PFDJ.
          By the way , do we have to mention all the personals of PFDJ based on Ethnic groups and blame the majority of that Ethnic who has more sits ? We are bombarded by people who love Ethiopia than Sudan based on their Ethnicity and we have people who say ,PFDJ is saling Eritrea to Arabs . it is on and on . Do not you think we are taking our eye from the gangsters ?

          UAE , i do not know and i can not comments that i have no clue . What i know is the south Africa scholarship was based on GPA on that i can testify for things i know.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            The main reason stalled our opposition is our failure to call spade spade, and you are one of them. You are playing the role of a counterfeit witness that exacerbate our problem. You are defending your ethnic group not like the Derwish Mahmud Saleh. In the culture of our people, when a person kills a person from another tribe, the whole tribe pays the blood money. This doesn’t mean the entire tribe participated or agrees in the crime, but morally they are responsible for the crime of their son.

          • blink

            Dear Hameed
            what spade ? I defend no one except expressing my outrage on you and alike for framing people with out any prove and that can not be defending . You have zero knowledge of my Ethnic group unless you are making that up. Or may be assuming that you find my comments objectable from your complain chair. In the culture of our people ??? oww that one is ugly as hell and you do not need to say a thing . You mean you have a culture that sentence people collectively to death with out looking individual case by case ?? that i do not know and it will not help you find justice either. If you want have mercy on your so called “people “who pass death sentences for the sake of ethnicity , god help you to find easy prey. Eritrea stands as a country because her sons and daughters payed the heavy price with out asking where they come from (ethnically) and that should be the basics for us to challenge the dictator . cherry picking will not help any one move the ladder little safer . Tigrina speaking people would not like you paint colorful words either . They have equal grievances and they are looking for solution as you do . But if any one try to play the ethnic card , you have just to see South ward . Eritrea is not for narrow minded people and it can not sustain such logic if it wants to continou like a country. The larger will hunt the small one and the small one will hide behind evil action and that , just that will not be justice to any one .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            “BLOOD MONEY” doesn’t mean passing death penalty on the criminal, Mr. Shitara, but solving the problem peacefully by paying money. I think you are not an Eritrean, because Eritreans know this fact which is deep-rooted in their culture very well. You are not eligible to speak about Eritrea and her people. Eritreans have in general grievances from your uncles, the mafia. Whether you are hurt from them or not these criminals are your kin and you nurtured them to reach the stage where they are. When these your home grown serpents started to poison you you fled from the country. I think they didn’t descend from the blue sky.

        • Haile Zeru

          Thanks Hameed,
          I wouldn’t be able to put it any better.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi blink,
        with due respect, what HaileZ tabled is a fair game. Kibur Mahmuday told us before while you were blinking that he didn’t want to be associated with Tigre. He is Tigre but he either sees himself at Ad level or as an Eritrean. This is a gross miss on a great identity chunk that makes Eritrea Eritrea. This is a guy who put his sharp horns on his head and start knifing through the villages of Welkayte. He should be reminded and anchored back to his origin before jumping over to others without enough facts.
        On the other hand, he is also a man with many good inputs and thoughts about Eritrea and you can champion him on that. But you are being unfair to Haile when you say he was among those vomiting hate. You are also being unfair to call people like me a war monger. Never. All I have in mind is on how to shorten Eritrea’s pain and speed it up to a normal transition. We are all closer to each other more than the impression most seem to have.

        Which one of the following opinions do you disagree with:
        1) Eritrea has squandered golden years of its existence.
        2) Has lost many years of building its political infrastructure
        3) Has lost many years of building its economic structure
        4) Has wasted golden years of building a sustainable relation with its neighbors, particularly Ethiopia and the world at large
        5) Has lost many years of empowering its citizens, building unity through diversity.
        6) My hate of PFDJ is the fact that it, instead of creating a nation where its young people become proud of it and proudly invite foreigners to their country, it has created a country that they are fleeing in in thousands including tegadelti who are also smuggling their kids out of the country risking the all known perilous journeys.
        7) It is time to admit that we are nearing a breaking point and the nation is sinking.
        8) Don’t we owe our people to do something about it?
        Which one is disagreeable to you? If you agree with all these, you and I have many in common…

        • blink

          Dear hayat

          I support all the points you mentioned about Eritrea but not about Mahmud saleh , I do not see his points of view when it comes to Eritrea and its people as negative . For so many reasons he is the only person here in this forum , who is reasonable to win over the majority of Eritreans and destroy the criminal government in Asmara. if he has the mega phone like the other people we all know , we could have been in a different situation. He is the only honest man that i follow with out any bad intention in his view. By the way i do not see my blinking about the welkait or what so ever is you are trying to lecture me , it is Ethiopian issues as you know, you can explain and teach any one in that case , yet you did not. Again , what matters is Eritrea and its people and i can not see the solution by waging war from their perceived enemy that is Ethiopia. I am by the way one of the people who want Eritrea to forum a good relationship with Arabs than Ethiopia . If we see the past centuries , the Eritrean people do not have healthy relationship with Ethiopia and i do not see it will again. But who on earth hate good relationship with any one ? these who want to sit on chair by creating fear . Fear is the most effective way of monopolizing public view and EPRDF and PFDJ has used it wisely . Hayat if we can guarantee , removing PFDJ with the help of EPRDF or any other force will be peaceful , well, who will be against your idea , yet the public have to see the strategy and they have to accept it, unless why will we blink on such idea.

          Hameed Al-Arabi

          I am not like you thought i am , i do not stay sleepless nights to vomit hate in between different groups of Eritrean people. I am first Eritrean and the other thing is secondary . I do not see my ethinicity to be more damaged than the other by PFDJ , i see every Eritrean is hunted and killed by this group of gangs . I can see no one to be in control of PFDJ ethnically , i really do not , if you have any statistical date please show me so that i can learn.

          I believe PFDJ is not for Eritrea and that being said , i do not go my way out to say Every scholarship is given to Tigrinja , or jeberti or nara than Tigre . But do i believe PFDJ has destroyed the cultural and language of other Ethnic groups , yes .

          What i find haile ‘s view negative is that , he try to frame Mahmud saleh as if he support PFDJ and that is not right . It was intended to start the game of divided and destroy not better than PFDJ .How is that playing ethnic game different than PFDJ , i mean is not it obvious that hailes view is rooted in hate . Trying to distort Mahmud saleh’s view is just not right and it will not work.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            Ethiopia was ruled in the past by Amhara ethnic group and imposed their language in all Ethiopia although the biggest ethnic group is Aromo. I think you don’t deny this fact. Today in Eritrea you get all government posts are in the hands of TIG tribe who dictate their language and culture on all the other ethnic groups. Concerning scholarship you can check South Africa, United Arab Emaretes and others. The newest of all this is that of UAE.

          • Abraham H.

            Selamat Hameed Al-Arabi,
            I really wonder how much of the inequality in education between the Tigrinyas and the Tigres is attributable to PFDJ. And where does this disparity start from? Is it the legacy of centuries of deprivation of the Tigres and other minorities relative to the Tigrinyas or did it start with the rise of PFDJ to power? I think this is a very complicated situation to only put all the blame on the current dictatorship. In my view various issues are at play here, among others, the way of life, how much value the parents give to educate their kids, the geographic areas where the Tigres reside, most of them being in the rural areas, exposure to modern way of life , etc.
            PS. I’m not defending the policies of the PFDJ regime, just pointing out that the inequality is the result of intricate mix of failed policies as well as societal and cultural factors.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Dear Abraham H. my greetings to you,

            I am not speaking about centuries back, I am just pointing out to what happened in the past twenty-five years. Concerning education, Muslims are in a better condition than any time before specially those who are in exile. They are far more better than the junks who are ruling Eritrea.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Abraham,
            Aside from the PFDJ era policies and their role on the disparities they have caused, I am jumping in to add that you have a valid take in saying the issue is multifaceted. But I do not think ways of life, culture or location of abode could have had that much impact if governance policies were judicious and responsibility driven. The currently disadvantaged communities regarding education and opportunities for advancement have been victims of policies of their rulers. Suffice here just to mention one example. When the Federation between Ethiopia and Eritrea was abrogated, and Amharic was imposed as medium of education, the sectors who by and large resisted were the lowlands as well as the majority of the Sahos in the highlands. Since eventually Amharic was requirement at higher levels, the Tigrinya speakers were more receptive or adaptive than their other compatriots. In that way, more of the former could fulfil the requirements and pass the entry general examinations from first middle school levels to secondary and then university. For example I can tell you my own experience that from a group enrolled in HSI University in 1968, from around 30 students there were only 4, and the later got their way through special programma (Laboratory School) that exempted having had to pass the Amharic language or even sitting for matriculation. So, you can stretch this example along the years the Ethiopian rule Eritrea, and you easily grasp one of the reasons for disparity.
            As the consequence, the children of the disadvantaged was either joining the liberation front (the ELF until 1970) or migrate to Sudan and then one of the middle eastern countries for work or opportunities of education. You consider how many of those had the educational or financial capacities to enroll in higher levels.
            Then, after the country was liberated in 1991, and the current regime took over, it policy was flagrantly discriminatory to those people who returned back with certificates and degrees from the Middle East. Their chance was deliberately narrowed with demand that they should command English and Tigrinya. I think this has been adequately discussed and may not need much explanation.
            Thus, looked from what ever angle, the culprit was policies and priorities of governance.
            Regards,
            Ismail.

        • Nitricc

          Which one of the following opinions do you disagree with:

          1) “Eritrea has squandered golden years of its existence.”

          A) Eritrea has strengthened lifelong national awareness and solid patriotism
          throughout generations to come. unlike your country eroding nationalism to level of ethnic and tribal.

          2) Has lostmany years of building its political infrastructure.

          A) Nothing political infrastructures are lost, because Eritrea never had one. Rather, it is preserve for
          the next generation so that they can make it work as it fits their time and place.

          3) Has lost many years of building its economic structure.

          A) Really? Eritrea’s economy is lean to no one, as to oppose to yours, your economy is
          built through Aid, Begging and by selling your land to the highest bidder. If any
          it is your country who built an economic structure that is not only fake but unsustainable. you built is top bottom and Eritrea is building it bottom up. You have high resining buildings in Addis we have clinics, schools and dams every were in Eritrea. we will see who is losing what? only time will tell.

          4) Has wasted golden years of building a sustainable relation with its neighbors, particularly Ethiopia and the world at large.

          A) NO, you think your country built sustainable relationships with the world? Boy you are dumb. The truth is, you beg and the world throw you few sucks of grains. That is the only relationship you ever built with world. So, Please! get this, there is no on single person who makes Ethiopian decision with out the green light of the USA. the bend you. you are just a slave.

          5) Has lost many years of empowering its citizens, building unity through diversity.

          A) You mean like your country; disappearing the name of Ethiopia and turning in to ethnic tensions with a blood line? I don’t hear any Eritrean talking about its ethnic or village while you are screaming Tigre, Amara and Oromo. If Eritrea missed in building your kind of unity and diversity; thanks GOD! Hade-libi Hade Hizibi. deal with it.

          6) My hate of PFDJ is the fact that it, instead of creating a nation where its young people become proud of it and proudly invite foreigners to their country, it has created a country that they are fleeing in in thousands including tegadelti who are also smuggling their kids out of the country risking the all known perilous journeys.

          A) Since you hate your self because hate is a very and evil word but since you love to use the word, you must hate your self so, nothing and no one will be surprised by that. did you say Invite foreigners? Well, I guess Eritrea should have done exactly what you have done. Invite the Indians, give them land for free, and give them the money to develop the agriculture sector and let them loot the country and flee at last. No, thanks! Eritrea for Eritreans, by Eritreans to Eritreans. No thanks.

          7) It istime to admit that we are nearing a breaking point and the nation is sinking.

          A) I agree, your country is in a breaking point. The years of abuse by your minority regime is coming to the end. The Amara, the oromo even the South are joining the party. Unless your greedy and corrupted TPLF is backing off, your days are numbered. You could do it, you have leardy
          started by returning Ras-Dashin to Gonder after you stoled it for the last 10 years. Just do it one more time, return Welquit Tegede to the rightful owners, and then, only then you may have the chance to get away with what you loot. If not, you are doomed.

          8) Don’t we owe our people to do something about it?

          A) yes we do let’s stick with our own country’s issue and mind our own business. I know this will give a bad heart burn but Eritrea couldn’t be better. considering what your people and evil government had in mind, it miracle what Eritrea have accomplished. by the way where is your master TPLF Aboy Sibhat? I heard he is jailed, is there any truth to it? he must be, otherwise he can’t be this silence. he got a big mouth. opps, sorry, we said we should mind our own affairs. my bad. lol

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Nitricc,

            The crimes of your uncles surpassed Eritrean border, reached faraway nations and became heavy burden upon them. The world by now knows what kind of unlawful mentally retarded guys ruling Eritrea. You became smirch for the people of Eritrea in the world. You may think you are doing good by your false witness, but don’t forget you are adding more insults and condemnation to your uncles. You generated droves of refugees and tragedies for the people, that is the stark reality that no one can deny except those mentally crippled-minds. You are totally ignorant from the a, b, c of governace, it is shameful to compare yourselves with others, but you are addicted to lies and you consider it smartness.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Nitricc,
            Actually all those points, except the last one, has different original owner. I agree with all those points and by extension they are mine too; but they were not written by me originally. They were written by none other than the great Mahmuday himself. That means your counter arguments and answers were directly colliding with Mahmuday’s positions. It is good to know how far you are from the positions of Mahmuday though he did his best to mentor you and help you catch up. What a waste for him! By this you had let him down. You are that much detached from the reality, from the country and even from your mentors. The rock can live in an ocean all the time; it doesn’t mean it will one day learn how to swim. I like you anyway. This world needs some clueless people too.

            PS: I didn’t put them out to trap anyone. I was trying to show blink that Mahmuday and I are that close so that he shouldn’t try to create a valley out of nothing the same way he was charging at HaileZ like a Rhino. Poor you you had to trap yourself in such a rush! Well, what can i say!

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear Blink

        Thank you. As for Haile Zeru, don’t hold it against him. He is welcome to vent his emotions. I’m well aware of the facts on the grounds. Mt contention is that PFDJ does not represent one ethnic group. We are all in either to raise or fall. The solution is the establishment of a political system where all social sectors of our people are fairly represented. In order to achieve that we need to move together. Therefore, framing issues in ethnically political way is not right.

        Dear Haile: I see Semere Tesfai as a man who takes things to the open. If you discuss with him matters of modern concepts of governing multiethnic society he will tell you how things should be done, by the book, not by emotions. If you come to him swinging with accusations of “land grabbing”, well, he will come to you, again, with the book, but this time, it will be the math book. He will tell you why Tigrigna language and culture will be there. Does this make him a fascist? I don’t think so. If you hate him to play with the math book (numbers), then you have to be sensitive to a big chunk of our people. Don’t call the people land grabbing, or the supporters of the regime. Very clear.
        Dear Hayat: You said to Blink (and BTW, this is being said for the umpteenth time by you) that “before while you were blinking that he didn’t want to be associated with Tigre.” Here, before this august forum, Mahmuday demand that you PROVE this. My nuke is trained at Dedebit, and it’s ready for the “fire” command. Do it ASAP.
        Regards.

        • Yohannes Zerai

          Dear Forumers,

          “We are all in either to raise or fall together.” — The intellect, the dedication, the conviction, the courage of the author and the sense of unity and patriotism that he espouses are all wrapped in this simple statement! This is true regardless of his position on issues, and despite my disagreement with him on some of those issues. Mahmud Saleh: The country we all love will never be forsaken so long as there remain few citizens who are endowed with your type of hope and love for the ailing nation and its suffering people – attributes so scarce in these difficult times characterized by self interest, greed, pretension, opportunism, intolerance and betrayal! Thanks brother.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Mahmuday,
          Hold your fire…
          You said that to Beyan or to HTG a year or so ago. I was trying to pull it from disqus but it requires me a longer time to pin it. The point is I am deadly sure you said it and other awatistas can remember. You should be the first to remember it unless you were saying for the sake of it without believing in it. But I must spend time fishing that line, I will. Others might remember it and affirm in the interest of time.
          You don’t have to hurt innocent dedebitawyan…just retract if you didn’t mean it or own it and save us time.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Hayat
            The reason why you could not and would not findit is because it was never said or implied, NEVER. I don’t have a reason to behave or act that way. I’m proud of my heritage. Not to brag about it, but if I may say, I was deeply involved in my the development of my language and culture. I’m also blessed to see and feel Eritrea’s beautiful multicultural reality. I can feel at home wherever I go. But that’s for another day.
            I don’t know Hayat, these types of nudges are way below what I expect of you. I will assume you misunderstood whatever I might have said, and let me blame that to the heat of the moment, since we both have been on each other’s throat. Let me give the benefit of the doubt. Here is a reminder for you.
            1. You see me joking with Semere Andom, SAAY, SGJ, Aderob in Tugrayet and about Tigre culture? Have not you?
            2. I have written two articles about Tigre and their music, featuring Alamin. You have not read that?
            3. I have commented about the people and the culture and their role in our struggle as required by the subject matter and topic under discussion.
            4. I’m actually about to feature Idris Wed Amir (never mind you don’t know him, I hope to introduce him to you and the rest of the readers). I’m quite embarrassed that I won’t get enough sources to discuss the poetic language of Wed Amir and the evolution of their variations…I’m really deadlocked on getting literary sources which could help me develop the article. But I plan to publish whatever I have. I suspect you are in the bandwagon of those who accuse every Muslim name as acting to disavow their language in favor of you know what. I hope you are not one of them.

          • Hayat Adem

            Well Kibur Mahmuday,
            Since you are saying you never said that and the burden is on me to prove my claim, and up on failing to reproduce that comment of yours to that effect, I hereby retract or at least suspend what I claimed you had said about yourself preferring not to be identified as belonging to Tiger identity. I regret the inadequate assertion.
            Hayat

          • Nitricc

            Dear Mahmuday; I am going to say this and i hope you don’t feel out of disrespect. But i am at lost your unproductive, useless and a complete waste time correspondence with likes of Hayat, Amanuel H and the rest of weyane foot soldiers. what are you trying to accomplish by going endlessly back and forth? To what end are you debating with this people? I mean are is it your goal to convince a known dedebit in to Eritrean cause? is it your goal to bring Aman-H in out Weyane comp? What is the exact point of this useless and boring and viscous circle? I think you are better than this. They are not even debating on substances, all they are trying to do is putting you on awkward position so, they can feel good about good for nothing selves. Every time you debate them they move the target and they are resorting in to slander and personal attacks. No, my friend, they are nothing but losers.
            I will leave you with following and i hope you take a note. you are better than this…
            “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
            Socrates

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Harbegna Gen.Nit
            I hear you, Sir. I will try to include as to why I continue corresponding the great Queen Hayat, and Emma, and that guy who left Hishkeb with his tail tucked between his slim legs when his slim arms were bent to unnatural positions by the great tegadelit of EPLF when he did you know what, yes, I will tell you why I do correspond with these esteemed awatista. Until then be patient. Remember SAAY’s mantra: “hulughedb zemecha, no one left behind,” I’m just continuing in the spirit of that tradition. But more to come sometime later Nitrickay.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Nitricc,

            You are elapsed to your very true nature. You and your likes brought up under the culture of lies and disdain of others, and a show of their muscles by weapons robbed from our people. Your master, the despot, joined the revolution empty hands and all that is under your possession at present is property of the Eritrean people. Anyone who participated in lotting will restore it to its real owners. Debate is totally alien to your politicawi temhirti; what you possess deep in your heart and minds is mafia culture. You lose the Eritrean people, regional and international communities and your loss is in count. The very people who opened your eyes to politics and self-ruling will teach you the meaning of freedom by the very tool you understand very well. Our people faced many ordeals and succeeded at the end of the day and will rise again to give you a historical lesson. You think with the power which is in your hands nothing will change your course and everything other than your domination is unimaginable. It seems you didn’t learn in your politicawi temhirti the history of the Eritrean people that is why you consider our people as mere coward and submissive slaves. By now the people of Eritrea perceives well the tool that sweeps you to history bin.

          • Nitricc

            Hameed Al-Arabi: i could have answered you with what I have in mind that would leave you in the dust but the MODA will show up with his sticks to save you. I can’t even comment about anything anymore without the harassment from the moda. so, i will let you to have it your way. You are right; and you win.

        • Haile Zeru

          Hi Mahmud,
          Mahmud please open your eyes and see reality as it is. Not as you wish it to be. there is no point to go thru what you are saying above. Just reflect on issues I listed yourself. What I wrote is what anybody is well aware of. I do not know why you cannot see it.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Haile
            Thanks Haile. the grievances you are raising and similar others are symptoms of a government that is ruling Eritrea without due inputs by participants who represent the interest of the different social groups of Eritrea. Furthermore, it has no mandate from the sector (Tigrigna) that is being targeted day in and day out. All that is ailing our beloved country is a symptom of a governance that has gone awry. We need a disciplined, restrained, sober and holistic approach. If there were laws that made land grabbing easy, it was the law that had passed by unelected government and not by a government representing any social group of our people. If there were land-grabbers they are corruptor wealthy people corrupting the corrupted; it’s not the Tigrigna people. Therefore, I’m interested in how we frame our arguments. We need to be very careful. One of the problems deadlocking the opposition is poor framing of the challenges, and vague definitions. So, I’m interested in exposing the primary source of all these, i.e., an unelected government that has no mandate from any specific social group. Whatever bad policies it pursues remains its own and not policies blessed and supported by a specific group. The solution is to find a way of establishing a government that represents all sectors of our people and viable interest groups. Asserting that this government has a mandate from highlanders (Tigrigna) defeats the whole argument that this is unelected government. If we are to believe this, then Emma needs to come up with a new definition of the government.
            Regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            I can’ t agree more on this comment. As to the definition of the regime, I have already defined it. It is in the book whether you agreed on it or not. It is a totalitarian regime who controls the entire life of our population. You have to have to give up the so called “one man rule”. A system whether it is run one way “top to down ” or the normal system “both ways ” top down and vise versa, it is a system with a displined party running the entire system.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Ustaz MS,
            The general line of thinking in this comment is correct. That a community wholesale shouldn’t be associated with a regime from which the core leadership of an authoritarian (despotic) regime happen to originate cannot be gainsaid. But I hit a snag when I read “One of the problems deadlocking the opposition is poor framing of the challenges, and vague definitions” inserted as a way of tossing the blame on the opposition.
            Letting the programs of partisan organization aside, an objective observer who have seen the charters of the umbrella groups (ENA, EDA, Hawassa documents) that were framed through dialogues at conferences representing all sort of ideological and political orientations would not accuse them of “poor framing”. Were those charters accompanied with all encompassing executing task plans and actions is another question.
            Thus, it would be helpful to the debate if you could suggest how the opposition should have framed the tasks and break shatter the deadlock.
            Regards,
            Ismail

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear IsmaelAA

            Understood, just understand that the exchange we make here are helpful only if we understand the totality of the views and positions of the author. I wish if I could present an objectively representative summary of the opposition comprised of many different interest groups. Certainly, your suggestion that ” it would be helpful to the debate if you could suggest how the opposition should have framed the tasks and shatter the deadlock” is indeed constructive. I will do so in my future inputs.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen MS again,
            Fine indeed, and I look forward to that input. Let presume that you will read the charters with open mind and come out with objective appraisal-based suggestion. As has already been indicated, let the partisan programs aside because they deal with their long-term visions.
            Thanks for taking this important homework which will certainly be a big boon to debate hungry members of this forum.
            Regards,
            Ismail

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Mahmud,

            “Thanks Haile. the grievances you are raising and similar others are symptoms of a
            government that is ruling Eritrea without due inputs by participants who
            represent the interest of the different social groups of Eritrea.”

            -Agreed.

            “Furthermore, it has no mandate from the sector (Tigrigna)”

            -True

            “…that is being targeted day in and day out.”

            -No one, in his right mind, targets the Tigrignas. What is being said is that the regime is unelected, (true). It is made of members of Biher Tigrigna, (also True). And in order to maintain its grip on power it is catering to Biher Tigrignas interests at the expense of the other 8 ethnic groups. Example Land, Language, Education, Jobs, political representation in decision making etc… and in this process the Tigres are the biggest loosers.

            It is very good to give Biher Tigrignas everything that one possibly can give, but with
            some minimum regards for the interests of the other groups. Interests such as, Economic development, social development and other rights and freedoms.

            What we saw in the past 25 years is systematic and continuous marginalization of all 8 ethnic groups from political representation and economic benefits, including
            land. And a constitution that does not recognize Ethinic rights. A constitution
            that gives a blanc check to the majority to rule, I mean plunder.

            Even though the definition of Biher in Eritrea is based, or appears to be based on
            Language, the second equally important component is the land where the Biher
            lives and draws their means of livelihood.

            With PFDJ the 8 Bihers, other than the Tigrinyas, are losing the title to the Land immediately by Constitution. And the language will fade away in the process. We see it happening in front of our eyes. Eventually they will be literally dissolved.

            Now whether Biher Tigrinya is benefitting or not it will not suffer the fate of the other eight.

            Actually it will benefit. Intended or not.

            Now back to the biginning. Uttering a word about ones own rights is not neccessarely
            targetting the Tigrinyas. Actually our minds, every bodies mind should work to
            make the Tigrinyas and all other Ethnic groups winners instead of winner/loser
            proposals which is what PFDJ is doing which you are defending. Sometimes
            indirectly, sometimes directly.

            I have to run…. Sorry I have run out of time. Besides nothing special, this stuff is
            banal.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Zeru
            I thank you very much for the reply. I think you have also clarified yourself in this latest reply. I respond to you when I get time. Thanks again.

        • adarob

          “My contention is that PFDJ does not represent one ethnic group”. Really?

          • blink

            Dear adarob
            You know for sure what is at stake if you and hameed used the represent thing in to front . Every one knows represnting especially if the actor is doing horrible thing , Hameed knows well and good about it

          • adarob

            Dear blink,
            What if we call the pfdj ethnocentric, diktator, and other attribute that define the pfdj. Do you believe that is against MR blink the tigrnya?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings blink,

            Most probably those who attempt to trace back all crimes to Isaias and appear clean are criminals. They strive very hard to shelter under their ethnic group by misleading them, but this time no excuse of “Mient Megogo, Tihlef Anchiwa”, every single rat will face its fate without any protection from our people.

          • blink

            Dear Hameed
            Do not you see all criminals after serving him for 16 years ,they come back to tell us they are innocent too. You want to give justice , well start with these who are in the west recently . Lets hunt them and give them their hand , i mean if you are looking for personal vendetta .I personally do not see it that way .

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    Evaluating the past is hard. But, predicting the the future, analyzing what is inside someone’s mind, proving intent is EVEN a lot harder. But that won’t stop us from guessing and predicting. And this is my take on the whole congressional hearing thing.

    1. – Who is Bronwyn Bruton?

    Bronwyn Bruton is not naive, uninformed, data driven “journalist” who could change her position at any given moment. If I have to guess she is a lot smarter, a lot more accomplished, a lot more informed, and a lot more connected than we want to believe. You don’t get into congressional hearings as an expert witness by accident. I wouldn’t be surprised a bit, if one day she end-up being – the Gail Smith of some US future president.

    2. – The West in general and the USA in particular are not Human rights crazies – especialy for Africans. In the West, Human Rights equals Western interest. THE WEST IS NOT AGAINST THE PFDJ REGIME BECAUSE OF ITS HUMAN RIGHTS RECORDS. THE WEST IS NOT AGAINST THE PFDJ REGIME BECAUSE OF ITS INTERNAL GOVERNING STYLE. THE WEST IS PUNISHING THE PFDJ REGIME SIMPLY BECAUSE , THE PFDJ REGIME WAS NOT A TEAM PLAYER ON THE WAR ON TERROR.

    3. – Today, the current developments inside Ethiopia is making the West nervous. The Woyane regime is becoming hard to defend. Some kind of change in Addis is inevitable, because the status quo is unsustainable. And if we look at the internal power dynamics inside Ethiopia, there are a lot of unknowns and uncertainties. And because of the unknowns and uncertainties inside Ethiopia, the West is trying to have contingent plans in case the unthinkable happen – Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D to secure the region from any destabilization.

    Therefore, it is helpful to look at the Bronwyn Bruton testimony from that angle.

    Now, let me share with you the question and answer that SAAY put emphasis on, on this article with slight change of words – words that matter to the West – just to show you how I saw the whole question and answer thing:

    4. – Representative KAREN BASS:
    So, what’s the Eritrean Governments position on Western policy/US policy in the Red Sea Horn region from your vantage point, from your viewpoint? What is the Eritrean government’s anti West and Anti USA rhetoric all about?

    Bronwyn Bruton:

    I think all the Anti West and Anti USA rhetoric that have been described are absolutely real. I think that the question is, and the reason that I asked the question earlier from the intelligence officer who asked, “is there a government in Eritrea?” Are these Anti West rhetoric real? Are they the result of deliberate government policy or how much are they the result of frustration of, the “no-peace-no-war”, bad behavior by people in inside Eritrea and the in Diaspora that the government has poor grip on, what is the relationship between the political position of the PFDJ government and the militant anti West people inside and outside? We have virtually no knowledge of that. I have no doubt that some of them are bad actors, the extent to which their behavior is condoned by the government? I don’t really know. I’ve talked to people, senior people, in the government, in Asmara and I may be super naive, but sometimes I think they believe anti West and anti USA sentiment don’t really exist, and if they do, they are very few and far in between…

    Semere Tesfai

    • Yohannes Zerai

      Dear Semere Tesfai,

      I had noted the statement at the beginning of your comment above that read: “But that won’t stop us from guessing and predicting.” And I took that as a warning that you were going to indulge in some provocative speculation and mental exercise in regards to some of the things said at the hearing. As a reader of your comment, I did not mind your intent to employ such an approach. For I am a believer that, in situations where explicit intentions and declared policies are lacking, reasoned speculations and informed guesses do enable a better understanding of complex problems, events, developments, etc. But in the body of your comment, you have certainly stretched the use of this concept far beyond the limits of objectivity and rationality.

      Item #4 of your comment purports to present a ‘rationally modified’ rendition of an exchange that took place between Ms. Karen Bass and Ms. Bruton at the recent congressional hearing on Eritrea. But what you presented is actually a satirical imitation of the exchange, at best and an outrageous distortion of same, at worst! And there was no indication on your part that your comment was to be taken as satire. Perhaps projecting your personal wish of what you would have liked to see discussed, you conveniently and unfairly replaced all references to “refugees fleeing Eritrea” in that exchange with the phrases Eritrean government’s “ANTI WEST AND ANTI USA RHETORIC” and its “POSITION ON WESTERN POLICY/US POLICY IN THE RED SEA HORN REGION.”

      The official record of the hearing will show that “refugees fleeing Eritrea” was one of the major themes, if not the major one, of the hearing. The issues you inserted into the purported exchange as phrases were NOT even mentioned explicitly during the entire hearing! If your intent was to tell us what the ladies “were thinking as they spoke” – you would, of course, need to claim divine powers for that – you could have plainly so stated! In that case, there would be no need to mix arrogance with deception in attempting to put words in people’s mouth!

      Contrary to what you alluded to at the beginning of your comment, there is no beneficial “predictive” or “analytical” value that could possibly be derived from such gross and willful distortion of FACTS. None whatsoever! If it has any “value” at all, it is to mislead those who have not had the time to study the record of the hearing.

      Thank you

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Yohaness Zerai

        This is how I see things:

        1. – “The official record of the hearing will show that “refugees fleeing Eritrea” was one of the major themes, if not the major one, of the hearing.”

        The exodus of young Eritreans is not an independent phenomenon that exit outside the control of Western powers. It is a phenomenon that the West can turn on and off at will any day. Exodus of the young is, and it has always been used SELECTIVELY, as a well calculated political tool designed to achieve a well defined political objective. That is a fact.The West didn’t set-up Eritrean refugee camps 10-15 kms from Eritrean border by accident. The West is not taking young Eritreans to the West from Eritrean borders by accident. The West didn’t wide-open its doors to Eritrean refugees out of love for black Africans – when it didn’t do the same to other Africans. In the USA there are over 12 million illegal immigrants – some three generations – some died serving at Iraq and Afghanistan without being citizens. But non of them is an Eritrean. That’s how special Eritreans are. The point:

        YOU CAN DENY IT ALL DAY LONG, BUT BRAIN DRAIN (EXODUS OF THE YOUNG, THE RICH, THE EDUCATED) IS ONE OF MANY POLITICAL TOOLS USED BY THE WEST TO FINE TUNE THEIR REGIONAL POLICY. PERIOD.

        2. – The hearing was all about Western interest in the Red Sea Horn region. And I believe it is driven by the uncertainties in Ethiopia. And the internal power dynamics inside Ethiopia will take a long time to stabilize. And the West (USA) is weighing it options. That is how I saw the hearing.

        Semere Tesfai.

        • iSem

          Hi Semere Tesfai:
          There are lots Eritrean Illegal immigrants who are in USA and that was revealed when many of them flocked to Canada after 9/11. Also there are Eritreans who are in the USA army, who serve in Afghanistan and everywhere, I am no sure if they died serving
          But most importantly, please stop telling us Eritreans are special. Everyone is special, if not, then no on is special. And that special thing is a brainwashing tool used by PFDJ, and you are smart enough, experienced enough, old enough to know it.
          Also refrain from the delusion that USA is targeting Eritrea as you are regurgitating what PFDJ has been saying from day one to abscond its fiduciar responsibility to protect the people.
          Your chicken and egg scenario of the refugee camps near the Eri border is silly as no one remembers refugee camps before refugees flocked to Ethiopia and the numbers increased exponentially.
          There is nothing worse than the current state of affairs in Eritrea, nothing, evening a full invasion of the country by whomever, is better than what we have now as a full occupation will at least free the thousands innocent Eritreans who are languishing in the PFDJ prisons that PFDJ has built and yes those prisoners are special that why they are in special

        • Thomas

          Hi Semere,
          When you try to:
          – Talk like DIA,
          – Act like DIA
          – Dance like DIA
          – Shot like DIA
          – Arrest like DIA
          – Discriminate like DIA
          – Divisive tactics like DIA
          We can tell what you trying to accomplish: very exhausted approach……………………..

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Semere T.,

          “….BRAIN DRAIN (EXODUS OF THE YOUNG, THE RICH, THE EDUCATED) IS ONE OF MANY POLITICAL TOOLS USED BY THE WEST TO FINE TUNE THEIR REGIONAL POLICY.” Fair enough; but who is to blame? I hope you won’t tell me that the regime is an innocent bystander. Since we understand that the net outcome of this tool is death of a nation, would standing on side of the regime in one way or the level make sense?
          Regards,
          Ismail

        • Yohannes Zerai

          Hello Semere Tesfai,

          1. First, the contents of #2 of your comment were not a point of contention and I am not sure why you brought them up in response to my comment. Please make sure you stick to the issue you ought to be addressing.

          2. As for your first point, it is clear that the issue raised in my comment was, to put it bluntly, your mischievous doctoring of a transcribed account of an exchange in a congressional hearing – just to suit your purpose! You know full well that what was at issue is NOT the views you had expressed on the topic of that exchange. But, you deceitfully chose to skirt the real issue and pretended that I did not understand your theory on the objective(s) of the hearing when you stated it the first time around. No worries, I did get it up there in no time! But, you must show humility and admit that the theory you presented regarding the West’s instigation of the ‘Exodus of Eritreans’ does not take such an infinite wisdom for me not to have been able to understand it! After all, I don’t know about you, but the rest of us are aware that His Excellency & Holiness President Isaias Afeworki had long articulated this claim much more eloquently and extensively than you have and years (probably a decade) ahead of you!

          Let me finally leave you with a suggestion that would advance your allegation of the West’s culpability for aiding and abetting the exodus out of Eritrea. As a conscientious Eritrean, why don’t you consider filing with the ICC a lawsuit against the West for having caused (directly or indirectly) tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Eritreans to perish in the deserts and high seas as well as at the hands of human traffickers and organ-harvesting gangs. Such a brave move would be a logical extension of the effort you seem to have exerted to finally ascribe to the West the catastrophe that has befallen our beloved country. And given what I have been able to learn about you from the exchanges at this wonderful forum, I have no doubt that you would win the court case hands down !!

          Thank you

  • Nitricc

    Hello every one; there was a press conference by the Ethiopian Tengaraw prime
    minister, warning the USA about regime change in Ethiopia. And I would have liked to post the link and I would have loved to hear your takes but, we are not allowed to link, talk, comment and criticize anything about weyane so, that is that but since this is about Eritrea, it should be fine. Here is my question.

    The first so-calledblack African American president invited the following African country in Aug2014

    “heads of state from Angola, Algeria, Benin, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Cabo Verde, Chad, Comoros, Republic of the Congo (Brazzaville), Democratic Republic of the Congo (Kinshasa), Cote d’Ivoire, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, the Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Kenya, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Malawi, Mali, Mauritania, Mauritius,
    Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Niger, Nigeria, Rwanda, Sao Tome and Principe, Senegal, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Swaziland, Tanzania, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, and Zambia.”

    But he didn’t invite President Isaiass Aforki? Why?

    A) Eritrea is not located in African continent.

    B) The invitation was populated from the Aid list that is provided by the US i.e. since Eritrea isn’t in the list; this is how
    PIA wasn’t invited.

    C) In order to be invited, there is one precondition must be met, that is you must bend for the US. i.e. Eritrea refused to do so.

    D)Eritrea wasn’t invited due to the super power ofAfrica, Ethiopia’s objection.

    E ) The US wanted to invite Eritrea and her leader with special “hearing” and under Neglected regional threat” drama. Meaning Eritreais too special to be in a company of the above monkeys.

    so Why do you think PIA wasn’t invited then yet, there was a special hearing? do you get my drift?

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc
      Just to remind you that IA has been exiled to AdiHalo.
      Have a nice day.

  • Dear all,

    The new version of Awate com, named the ‘Joshua Version’, is on beta. It will replace the current version anytime. The URL for the beta is temporary except the https security addition. Here is the announcement related to the launch of the Joshua Version.. https://goo.gl/WC3KL7

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi All,
    I am in a weekend mood. So…
    ———
    Go created horse – beautiful, curvy and really a great biological art in all of it. That must be why Reagan has said “there is nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse”. But man would never believe that. Man thinks it is the best next master of the universe. Man sometimes contemplates challenging and imitating God. God created a fly. Man created a helicopter. God created a falcon. Man created jets. God created whales. Man created submarines etc.
    ———-
    God was never threatened by all these but man thought so. Man said so. God heard about it. He doesn’t need to hear knew about it. So he wanted to challenge man. He created horse and asked all human geniuses to come forward and help each other and copy horse. Easy, they said.
    ———-
    Meetings, drawings, evaluations, post evaluations, actions, corrections…all put together. The thing they thought to mirror copy horse came out to be a camel. So, camel is a trial and error human attempt to copy horse. Camel is an error. In fact, the true definition of a camel is a committee-made horse.
    ———-
    Now, somebody should save me from Mahmuday’s anger and fire.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan Hayat and IsmaelAA.
      Ha…ha… that would be a good children’s book, with some nice illustrations. Dr. Seuss would be very proud of you, although you guys would still need me to show you the wisdom that camels have. How about riding? During a family vacation, out of four, only my then 9 years old son braved to ride the camel with me. We hassled it down the desert near Giza Pyramids.
      Thanks Ismael, yes, my coffee was not spilled but I did not have time to drink it trying to scribble a response that I thought had hagerawi aghedasnet.
      Take care both.

      • Ismail AA

        Ahlen Ustaz Mahmoud,
        Glad it didn’t, but missed the flavor all the same.
        Regards,
        Ismail

      • Hayat Adem

        Mahmuday,
        That is milder and more controlled than what i was thinking. I don’t want to wake up and stir the emotions of other ultra nationalists but there’re subtle symbolism in the camel thing. But I think you have a generous eye today. Good. I survived this unscratched.

  • Yohannes Zerai

    Dear All,

    I believe there is a need for taking the know-thy-enemy dictum to heart and try to figure out as much of Ms. Bronwyn Bruton’s capabilities, strengths and weaknesses as possible. I view Ms. Bruton as a formidable adversary of Eritrea’s popular movement for change; and one who has made a deliberate, reasoned decision to defend the Eritrean government not for lack of information and knowledge about the Eritrean reality, but in spite of it.

    With that need in mind, I will rely on the info/material on the hearing which Awate.com has made available to try to present: (i) my assessment on how Ms. Bruton may have fared in the eyes of the committee members (and the audience) at the hearing, and (ii) my own views on her performance in terms of her effectiveness in influencing the thinking of the sponsors of the hearing.

    1. Ms. Bruton used an effective debating strategy in which she conceded on an adversary’s claim only to immediately follow up with her own claim which not only neutralizes the concession made, but also leaves an imprint in the memory of listeners. For instance, when pressed, she readily admitted that the serious human rights violations that the government is accused of are real; but she was quick to (a) stress that the government genuinely feels threatened by a hostile, powerful neighbor and (b) claim – falsely and deceptively, of course – that the government has little control outside the capital and that its authority over the military is questionable! By doing so, she probably earned herself credit for “honesty and objectivity” while gaining sympathy for the government “on its predicaments”

    2. Ms. Bruton had no problem throwing a fair amount of lies into her testimony here and there whenever she found it convenient. For example, it is plainly obvious that no decent U.S. intelligence agent/official familiar with Eritrea – much less “a particularly brilliant member of our intelligence community who studied Eritrea for ten years” – would advise an Eritrea-bound Ms. Bruton to “Find out if there is a government in Eritrea outside of Asmara!” Yet, she amusingly and with a straight face claimed to have been told so!

    3. Another strategy Ms. Bruton employed was giving a cascading answer to a question such that when an answer unfavorable to her is finally extracted from her, it would have been severely diluted in its impact. This strategy was demonstrated in an exchange that the committee’s Ranking Member had with the panelist. When the Congresswoman asked in effect “What is driving 5000 refugees to leave Eritrea every month?” Ms. Bruton claimed that a more realistic figure would, in fact, be 3000/month. And when told that that was still a lot of people, she immediately concurred but went on to explain that many Somali, Ethiopian and Sudanese refugees claim to be Eritrean and so “I don’t know how many Eritreans really leave” the country. When she was guided with some effort back to the original question of why they are leaving though, she at long last relented and said “because the human rights situation is terrible” and “because the economic situation is terrible.” By the time she FINALLY got around to answering the question, however, she had effectively removed the sting from the question.

    4. She appeared predisposed to admit ignorance regarding side-issues that were unlikely to materially alter the course of the hearing, thereby demonstrating a semblance of modesty and confidence in the position(s) she holds without projecting a know-it-all air of arrogance. This strategy seems to be based on the logic that one has to give away the small fish (as bait to kill potential suspicion/contention) before moving to claim the bigger fish, so to speak.

    5. Her biggest coup of the event came when she tactfully avoided countering the onslaught that Dr. Khaled Bashir launched on her regarding her relations with Nevsun Resources Ltd. By doing so, she largely diffused the charges thrown at her, but also made Dr. Bashir’s approach look accusatory and belligerent in nature. In contrast, she came out of the “one-sided confrontation” appearing to have retained her composure and professionalism.

    Finally, a brief look at what the future may hold regarding Ms. Bruton’s possible stance and role in Eritrean politics. First there ought to be no illusion that she may have accidentally stumbled into the regime’s pit of deception, and that she may be eagerly waiting for a helping hand to rescue her out of her unintended entrapment! I am convinced that she was, in fact, attracted by (or invited to) the pit, and consciously found a way of climbing down into it having been fully aware of the goodies that strewed its bottom!

    By virtue of her trade as a researcher, she is already privy to all the info/data about Eritrea’s policies and actions that persuaded all of us to take a clear stand in opposition to the regime – perhaps even more. As such, her support of the regime has been a deliberate, considered position; and she is not about to discover any time soon data/info that she has not been aware of, and could miraculously induce a major shift in her position. It is possible that she may withdraw her support of the government anytime for any one of many possible reasons. But it is highly unlikely that she will morph into a “fierce critic” of the government. She has, thus far, declared her support for the government in many important public forums. Consequently, the need to protect her career and professional integrity is unlikely to let her travel down that disastrous road.

    Thank you

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Yohannes,

      You reminded me of a Tigrinya saying: te’aminu zemagot neireta’A.

    • Solomon

      Selamat Mr. Yohanns Zerai,

      Thank you for your objective analysis. This is the first half of a follow up to come, hopefully. And that follow up is an honest critique of the other four who testified. More focus on how the two Eritreans could have approached the hearing with a focus on stearing US policy on Eritrea with due considerations on emboldening Eritreans to speak up for and actively seek justice inclusive of their national security.

      Thank you. #for#

      tSAtSE

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Yohannes,
      My commendation for taking time and give the forum sober assessment.
      Regarding Ms. Bruton’s future direction, I think considering her trade, it is possible that she might change depending though on who would make more lucrative offer to Atlantic Council. We had seen it in the past, too, that long time regime supporters like Dan Connell had turned to vocal critics.
      Regards,
      Ismail

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Hello Ismail,

        Thank you for your comment.

        As they say, “Never say never” especially in politics and, surely, one cannot swear that Ms. Bruton will never turn against the regime in Eritrea whom she presently seems to be defending at all cost. It is with this sense of realism that I left room for doubt when I remarked: “It is highly unlikely that she will” cross the line and become an activist opponent of the regime.

        But I take exception to your attempt to draw similarities between Mr. Dan Connell and Ms. Bronwyn Bruton in regards to their past and present roles in Eritrean politics. The case of the former is, in fact, diametrically opposed to that of the latter. Mr. Connell had been an ardent supporter of the Eritrean Revolution (and of EPLF) for decades and remained so for the first ten post-independence years. But then, like many patriotic Eritreans that find themselves in opposition to the regime today, he turned against the PFDJ government following its 2001 clamp down on civil liberties, closure of the budding private press and rounding up of reform-minded government officials and independent journalists. In other words, Mr. Connell broke off with the PFDJ government and became their passionate critic after the regime turned into a monster. In contrast, all Ms. Bruton has known is the monster she met in 2009 and which, strangely enough, she has since remained in love with!

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Yohannes,

          Thanks for your response. I got what you meant.

          Yes indeed, the time, circumstances, aim (incentive) that brought them to get involved in our affair differed. The lady is clearly serving self-interest, and embarked on sale of her expertise to a facilitator (middleman) – Atlantic Council – that operates on funds paid by greedy investors like Nevsun.

          The case of Dan Connel could have been different. But the fact that he served bigger goal than Ms. Burton’s was not beyond imagination; I can say the project he served did succeed. I am of course looking at things in the context of the political and organizational alignment of forces of the time.

          That being the case though, it is hard to imagine that he was not aware of the way the EPLF leader (the monster) was shaping up his ascent to control and domination. I cannot say he knew nothing about the liquidation of patriots before and after his appearance on the scene. Simply, the game at the time was that Mr. Isayas and his circle were the good guys while the victims were the bad guys. But, correcting wrong is virtue. That accords Mr. Connel credit, which Ms. Burton might also do.
          Regards,
          Ismail

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Yohannes,
      Really thanks for the piece above. This can be nicely added to very article penned by Saay. The concluding part that affirms to the fact new data/facts discovery would be unlikely to rudely awaken Bruton to make a different world out of PFDJ can be treated as an alternative end to Saay’s picturing her as a person who might be chasing facts and not tailing PFDJ. Such are the kind of contributions that add value.
      Well, as to me Bruton is not doing this for the love of Eritrea. Consider Wrong and Connel, they truly thought they found a revolution to be supported. When they learned things about the PFDJ, they were devastated including emotionally as if it was a love intended good and long crashing short because of unforeseen and unaccounted discoveries. I honestly think Bruton is doing it for the following three purposes, and in that order of importance: to get back at Ethiopia for obstructing her when trying to jump a UN wagon through the Somalia mission, for attention and for money. So, the only fluid variable that can be taken away by the Eritrean gov is the 3rd item, if at all. That is why I also think like Yohannes, any break-up of Bruton from the Regime will only go quietly. So I agree with your conclusion that she will never turn a fierce critic over any damning data discovery. And which data is not discoverable anyway? She was criticizing the UN-COIE for its discovery, was not she? Which independent analyst worth of her salt would do that short of strong personal motive! She does it very cleverly and deceptively but she quacks like a duck, I think she is a duck!
      -Emma says she is a useful idiot.
      -iSem says she is a used up idiot.
      -Yohannes says she is a usable idiot.
      -Hayat says she is a loathful idiot.
      -Saay says she is a reusable idiot.
      -Mahmuday says she is a usable un-idiot.
      -Nitricc says she is toothy idiot
      We are all talking about the same idiot. We better focus on what the Eritreans said about Eritrea and Eritreans.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Hayat,

        The Eritrean intellectuals specially those in the academic world, Eritrea and Eritrean society are not good projects for their study and their research with the exception of Dr Gaim. They love to study about African and Asian countries. Equally the regular Eritreans also would like to talk about Ethiopia and other neighbor countries. As a result our debate lacked enlightenment, civic mindedness, and career mindedness to shape the future of our people.

        Regard

        • Hayat Adem

          Yes Emma,
          How true. We lack that. In the professional world, that is called disciplined and qualified thinking and discourse. We lack that. Most of the blame should go to Mahmuday. Mahmuday and his disciples cover more than 90% of the diversions and deviations.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Hayat
            You are really and LITERALLY making me mad. Don’t you make me put on my field jacket. Things are getting really bad for Harbegna wayanne. Summary report to follow soon.

          • Hayat Adem

            Mahmuday,
            That is really cool and funny…

        • Peace!

          selam Hayat,

          it is great that your tone is changing a bit, but not to the extent you can actually criticize others for not focusing on Eritrean issues because you have been pretty much acting as if you are TPLF’s version Bruton. I am really sorry things are not going the way you and Emma Planned, but you still have a chance to salvage by focusing in routing out the dictator, and hopefully you would regain your consciouns and accept a stable and democratic Eritrea that lives side by side with stable and democratic Ethiopia.

          Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Peace,
            I never knew my tone was changing. It is good to know you are happy about it. There is always some good feeling with knowing you made someone happier without you planning it.
            It seems only you and God know what Emma and I had planned, and only you and God know that the plan has failed. So are your plans, are they going well and the way you planned them?
            Be careful not to answer my question. If you try, there will be an automatic follow-up question.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            Good. I am glad I made you happy without planning it which spontaneous of me. Now, since you are in a weekend mood, Iets not spoil it. What do you like other than reading book? haven’t heard you talking about music? I am listening to Tedi Afro: shemendefer ahdirsegn baburu FeTneh……really good song, seriously!

            Peace!

          • Hayat Adem

            Peace,
            Thanks. It the only time I noticed of you caring for me. I need more of this. I like music but my tastes fall really within a narrow selection. But i listen to them repeatedly and until I include one to my favorites in a year or so. But I always go back to listen. I am always amazed, though my thoughts evolve so faster than even I wanted, my taste of music has never changed.

          • Peace!

            Selam Hayat,

            I do care for anyone in this room including Abi:) where is he? I miss him and Kokob selam (hope he is feeling better).

            Peace!

          • Solomon

            Hello folks,

            Pardon the intrusion. Today’s soup special is Lentiles or Minestrone. And should I order the violin player to commence now?

            GutSA! Gisela Guayyla:)

            tSAtSE

        • Peace!

          Selam Emma,

          I don’t think it is time to complain, but rather it is time to evaluate and grade your work, and make adjustments for a better result. You made your position and strategy clear, and now ask yourself: is it working, if not why? Trust me we have enough HAMOT, all we need is unity!

          Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            A student can not grade his own work. May be you are a teacher, go ahead and grade me. One thing I understood from your comment is, I did my home work. I didn’t know that I did my homework. And what was my home work by the way? Second my complain in my comment above wasn’t about “Hamot”. It was about the absenteeism of our intellectuals in the current predicament of our youth and our nation. But Peace is always Peace, who lives in the diversion world.

            regards

        • Solomon

          Dear Aya Amanuel,

          I beg to differ. You should include your self and yours truly with Dr. Gaim???

          Unless, he also does not study Eritrean society.

          Every Eritrean who is in Eritrea studies….

          But perhaps it is AtSabiEti yeInQef kab eggri.

          tSAtSE

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Yohannes,

      Great analysis and it’s good you see her testimony objectively. I agree that if she change sides or not it doesn’t make much difference to struggle and challenges Eritreans face. Someone in her position, would not hasitate to move over to another troubled part of Africa and become “expert”, after a couple of visit and interviews. And it will not hard to predict if she ends up as as director or desk officer within the state department.

      There is some truth that she used it to advantage (or give credit to the Eritrean government), which I also believe Mahmud S. reason for approval of her performance.

      That is Eritrea is relatively peaceful inside the country compared to most places in Africa. No body is going to mug your cell phone or your purse, no body is blowing up civilians during public holidays, no body is hijacking ships with armed guns, no body is roaming around with heavy arms. I think she said this is because of the PFDJ government. I also believe there is truth that a lot of Africans use Eritrea citizen to gain refugee status. It does not also help that the Eritrean government has houndreds of white paper / Taesa / regret papers signed by ERITREAN refuges.

      When we all add up, it’s believable story and lots of truth to it. What I think her emphasis was, American interests and leaving aside ERITREAN human rights issue as secondary.

      This leads me to the second big point. Did she score a point? What is she asking the US government to do?

      Is the US state department in this short 4 months likely take her recommendations or the other panelists?

      For all the hard talk about final and binding, the corrupt PFDJ gangs are not that principles. They are not asking MUCH according to her. Just a letter of intention from Washington to ask Ethiopia to abide with the ruling.

      They wanted the sanctions lifted.

      Nothing more. How ever on the other hand I think they asked to much.

      demarcation of the boarder:

      This is a good principled stance but the US can’t do much about until Ethiopia wants to.

      Expel armed groups from each country.

      Completely unnecessary and unrealistic task to ask the US to do this. Let alone in Eritrea they have little control, they can’t even do that at the highest level of US and Russia in Syria and it’s proving to be impossible task. How is this going to happen, ask people to disarm unwillingly. They are not harming civilians and it’s a lost cause by the opposition groups.

      They should focus on the human rights abuse and the US to support sending the leaders to the ICC, do targeted sanctions, travel ban and asset freeze of the leaders etc, until they release all political prisoners etc.

      Berhe

    • blink

      Dear Yohannes
      what do you expect !!!, she is a trained and experienced in her field. She can not be compared with people who has been there for just being Eritreans and there is a big difference in their personalities . The people from far away can say what ever they want but the realities are , life and death for Eritreans . Can any one imagine why Eritreans leave their country ? I mean for 3 of them the image they can think can be quite different but it is still about Eritreans , I do not believe American senators care about a single Eritrean life , never .How on earth American senators can be such humanists and care about Eritreans lives , come on .

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam all the toothy and toothless awatista the greatistas
    It’s weekend, therefore, all of you are forgiven. Brothers BerheY, and IsmaelAA thanks for the reply. The topic is so complex and I don’t think we will have fruitful discussions unless the actors join the discussion (Semere T.H.; Dr. Khaled, Dr, father habtu, Ms. Bruton). I have already said enough. iSem will go back and read it line by line, and then will reconsider his “devil’s advocate” Hateta. I listened to Semere H, and he was all fired up. He said that we have heroes inside who are working for a better a Eritrea. That’s the message I appreciate. Here is short poem (filling in for my dear friend Kokhob Selam, get well brother, and answer my private messages if you are reading this)
    ኣለዉና ጀጋኑ፡ ኣለዋና ጀጋኑ
    ንፍትሒ ብሓባር ዝግደሙ
    ሽግሮም ክፈትሑ ዘይልምኑ
    ተስፋ ዘይትገድፎም ዘይመሻኸኑ
    ብርሃን’ ዮም ጸላም ዝትርብዑ
    ደበና’ዮም ንቑጽ ዘልምዑ
    ንሶም’ዮም ናይ ልወጢ ሕመረት
    ኣጆኹም ንበሎም ክቀላጠፍ ዓወት

    • Ismail AA

      Tayeb Allah ayamek Ustaz aMahmoud,

      Thanks for your time to react.

      Respecting you freedom to agree or disagree with what others writes, I would like to jot a few words on your resort (or shall I say complaint about) to the old and by now really tired cliché, namely, “miedana kab Hade nlaEli yxewur eyu”.

      Frankly, I would dare to argue that the Eritrean arena at this critical time does not have, and should not afford space, for folks who uphold “zegen ille yerkbelu” posturing or politicking. What value does nationalist jingoism and national sovereignty when the nation is being depleted of its young, and consequently its future is set on downward spiral anyway?

      Beloved brother, Mahmoud, do not we see that the world has already turned full circle for the Eritreans? We have come to hear voice of parents wishing that their kids and grandkids come home with a school score cards with a stamp failed on it just to gain one more year before reaching the grade that make them eligible to be rounded up and sent to Eritrea’s Gulag called Sawa. I think the call of those people should sound louder than our passion for our past roles.
      Ismail

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan IsmaelAA
        1. It’s the reality my friend. Today, internet has really democratized and widened the field for all types of views. Semere H in his interview with SBS said that it was positive that at least the opposition is talking to each other and not shooting to each other. Well, when one is in Ethiopia, Germany, the USA, UAE, Australia, etc., one can only talk. What he did not get is that if we had 5 or 12 armed factions roaming Eritrea, the scenario would be different. That’s when they would sy the field doesn’t have a capacity thst could hold more than one armed faction. That’s when we would judge if our opposition is really a different breed that could prioritize talking to shooting. Now, they are refugees in their respected countries. The point is: we should use the opportunity that internet provides us. We should really learn to tolerate different versions and dimensions of a topic being discussed.
        2. As far as the blame that I’m beholden to my old role: I think we need to stop that. I have not done more than you, not more than SAAY, not more than Gadi, Emanuel, KS, Semere Tesfai….(at least the openly wonbede people).
        3. Do I wish our people not to control their lives and the lives of their children? Not really, and you don’t have a proof. It’s better to focus on what I write rather than getting entangled into the old factional attitudes. I’ve grown up. To me ELF and EPLF are the same, and they contributed to the independence of Eritrea in their own ways. I never feel what you are accusing me of feeling 9you have repeated it that’s why I’m stressing on it).
        4. You said closing ranks. Ranks? ክቡር እስማዒል፡ ክኽተብ ደልየ ኣለኹ። ናበይ ከምዝኽተብ ሓብረኒ። ግን ክልተ ኩንታል ህግድፍ ኣጕዲልካ ምጻእ ከይትብለኒ. That’s a joke for you, hopefully it will crack you up wide open. Let’s use the forum for sober discussion, we are not going to change the country by exchanging accusations here. And yes, the field is really open. We can discuss topics with a wide array of dimensions. You can hack it from one side and I can do that from the other side, we can then discuss why we have reached different conclusions. That’s how trust is built. Otherwise, if you just think of mahmuday as the child of EPLF and EPLF being the brainchild of Nhnan Elamanan, we will have a very long way to go.
        With all due respect, I did not mean to lecture you. I’m just heading off to work, and have to jot down whatever is coming to my fingers.
        Respectfully.

        • Ismail AA

          Ahlen Ustaz Mahmoud,
          You have needlessly wasted much time at the point of rushing to work, as I understood. The matter didn’t call for that degree of counter reaction. It wasn’t intended to provoke. It was simply business as usual – friendly exchange.
          My point was simple and general – let us all focus on the urgent task facing us all.

          Thus, reference to the quote that seemed to had raised you adrenaline was merely to stress a point. Otherwise no one is in business of accusation or recruiting legions. What we are doing is only exchanging views on matters that commonly concern, and the story ends there.
          Regards,
          Ismail

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Ismail,
            It is the itch and urge of over-killing that is doing a thing to him. he’ll find his cool himself come Spring – hopefully.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Hayat,
            I should hope so really; I hate to cause discomfort to anybody. I didn’t intend to spoil his early morning.
            Regards,
            Ismail

        • blink

          Dear Mr. Mahmud saleh
          It is their urge that makes them run wild on you and you can do nothing about it. People who are blind by purpose can’t see , that is the reality with such people . The best medicine for such people is drive over them because , what could they possibly do or say that is constructive . They have been trying their urge to work and stil they failed badly and now even the deaf world can see them . This is not the time to argue with rigid people ,who say the same thing for 15 years . Your logic has more support than theirs . It is simply the ego thing.

          • Ismail AA

            Hi blink,
            Comment seen late; Good that people talk “the same thing for 15 years’? When there is no body to listen then they should repeat things before the mission is not forgotten for good. It is the same as a few idiots in a classroom. As good teacher you have to tell the same thing many times.
            Now, it’s certain they will stop saying the same things at the end of the 15th year if people like blink, who seem to be tired from repetition, come up with something knew (practical and doable). Otherwise they too will continue to saying the same thing over and over. “Fil hawa sawa”, as the Arabs say.
            Regards,
            Ismail

  • iSem

    Hi Awatista:
    There is an old saying in Tigrinya and it goes like this: If someone is deliberately pretending to be asleep, it is impossible to wake him up and tegadaly Wedi Saleh is doing that. So Hayat, BY, AH and others stop, you cannot convince him and he is not being develi’s advocate,he is the advocate for the devil.. He is smart like a wipe, his memory and experience is vast and yet still to him Eritrea and PFDJ is synomous. But you can do soemthing about it, if you are a Christian pray for him and if you are Muslim do “Daewa”, not that he is in trouble for his salvation, but for him to be hit by the lightening that befall St. Paul in the gates of Jerusalem for the total transformation, so Wedi Saleh can be the apostle of the PFDJ supports, the non-justice seekers as St. Paul was said to be the apostle of the gentiles
    If you doubt me, go back and read his anger when the CIO repot alleged systematic rape, Wedi Saleh sounded “monkeysque”, not harmless animal, but the human has made his digs in IA’s office for the last 25 years. And we had a heated debated, then we thought he is sharpening us, but when you say Dr. Beshir has a conflict of interest in Ethioipai through his consultancy, when he says Eritrea is not neglected when he questions the” hamot” of the Eritrean youth, knowing full that the organ that is reponsible for secreting the “hamot” has been long harvested by PFDJ, when he agrees with Brownyn that Eritrea is not a regional threat. What is regional threat, I guess both of them define it, that Eritrea is powerful enough to attack neighboring countries. To many a regional threat is this: if the countries descends to chaos and there is instability, the infighting will spill over Sudan, Ethiopia, like EPLF was a neighborly threat in the eighties, when it assassinated Eritreans in Kassala and Kharoum. Brownyin admits it indirectly
    And as BY said, he brings poor Ethiopia every time Eritrea is mentioned and although Ethiopia is pulling many strings behind, Ethiopia, Woyane and EPRDF are all innocent when it comes to sending 10,000 Eritreans to prisons, their are innocent from building the prion of Ela-Ero, they are also not responsible for the underground dungeons that PFDJ has built.
    Long time ago, when we had a heated debate I gave all supporters of PFDJ a simple axiom to recite and was not meant to Wedi Saleh, but now I bequests him that axiom until the prayers of his debates reaches God’s ears.
    Every single problem, every single suffering and murder seminars from PFDJ. And the testimonies of both Dr.Beshir and Fr. Professor GhebreAB speak to that fundamental underpinning.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi iSem,

      Dr. Khalid worked as a consultancy for Deloitte which deals with the Ethiopian market where hundreds of companies deal, therefore, according to the logic, Dr. Kahlid has a conflict of interest in advancing Eritrea’s cause. Let’s accept that (fr now) as a rational statement.. because it is, according to the logic ruling Eritrea.

      Based on the above, it follows that:

      I was negotiating to buy a used car from an avid Weyane guy, that would be a conflict of interest and I have canceled my offer. Very nationalist of me, pat on my back. And you should cheer my patriotic decision.

      The IMF has an office in Ethiopia, any Eritrean working for IMF anywhere in the world has a conflict of interest and should forget doing anything for Eritrea.

      The Sheraton chain has has a hotel in Ethiopia, therefore, all valet workers in any country working Sheraton hotel anywhere in the world has a conflict of interest and should forget doing anything for Eritrea.

      This applies to Ernest & Young, and companies working in insurance, exploration, transportation (American Airlines associated with Ethiopian airlines, cartography companies, construction even car dealerships–did I remind you Isaias understands global economy?

      But here is a problem I have: Chevron sells fuel to Ethiopia, therefore, even an Eritrean working as a gas pump attendant for a Chevron gas station, anywhere in the world has a conflict of interest and should forget doing anything for Eritrea. In short, 100% of Eritreans working in the USA and Canada are suspects. But that is one exception; if you work for Nevsun, and are paid a concealed bribe, you are fine. We love you. I don’t know how you could not know such straight forward logic! You disappoint me iSem.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan Saleh
        Thanks for the clarification.
        Regards.

        • Solomon

          MoMo,

          Intaayy deA: “dHan dHan gdefio ‘ti netSela abzi rejhibe alekhu neti QQolleyy terwi..” Jende ab Karen koynom ‘zo majmuAA ‘nda forum? 🙂

          Abey allo Haw HTG?
          tSAtSE

      • Solomon

        Selamat SaliH,

        How can Ms. Burton have a conflict of interest if she was hand picked and assigned to her current position? Her goal through her expertise is to UNneglect Eritrea.
        The Delloit mention is as good of an example to illustrate the misplaced Nevsun attack strategy. A Quid pro quo it may seem to many, but I guarantee you it is not. There are however much better examples of non nationalistic conflicts of interest in the inventory, the matter is not pressing yet.

        tSAtSE

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Solomon,

          That was exactly the gist of my comment: Bownyn Bruton is four legged!

      • iSem

        Hi Saleh:
        I will disappoint you more. by slaughtering one language
        Dr.Beshir “WORKED…… for Deloitte ” and if you translate that to Arabic, it become “fiEL maddi” or past action and what do they say for past action, “….la mahala lehu fi al-eerab”
        please translate that to Engiish

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi iSem,
          If we start with e’Erab (it’s grammar by the way if you are wondering it might be a code) not many will be interested. Hw would you say that in ABUGIDA iSeme?

          My e’Erab translation (sort of): a child born today (al aan) cannot be unborn in the future (fil mustaqbel). A wedding in the past (fil maadi) is null and void after a divorce (Telaq bi’telata). Not exactly, but that is my basic eErab translation 🙂

          I love weekends and other lazy days!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Sem,

      Mahmuday is protecting the devil and his Apostles in the name of Eritrea. Because of that, according him all our young who escaped from the slavery of modern Eritrea lacks “Hamot “. What is surprising about Mahmuday’s modus operanda is how he turn any accusation against the regime into against Eritrea. For him accusing to the regime is the same to accusing the nstion. Eritrea and Issayas are two entity in which each can not exist without the other. It is this myth that was instilled in him and to many others in the field will live

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Emma,

        This will be enough for today
        ኣለዉና ጀጋኑ፡ ኣለዋና ጀጋኑ
        ንፍትሒ ብሓባር ዝግደሙ
        ሽግሮም ክፈትሑ ዘይልምኑ
        ተስፋ ዘይትገድፎም ዘይመሻኸኑ
        ብርሃን’ ዮም ጸላም ዝትርብዑ
        ደበና’ዮም ንቑጽ ዘልምዑ
        ንሶም’ዮም ናይ ልወጢ ሕመረት
        ኣጆኹም ንበሎም ክቀላጠፍ ዓወት
        This poem was written long before I run into your comment:) Does this say our young people lack Hamot? As far as courage (Hamot) is concerned, when we discussed it, I said they were full of it. All that I said was that people like you needed to have a portion of that Hamot in order look into your more than 25 years of disastrous strategies of “opposing” and help them direct their Hamot to use it for good purpose rather than burn it to carry them through the unforgiving desert and the Mediterranean Sea. My strategy is for them to stay in their country. I will support any policy of nations that help create opportunities for these young people; policies that apply pressure on the regime. EU, USA, and others will have leverage when they engage the government conditionally. When young people stay in their country, they CREATE the space. Political space is not given, it is CREATED. And the courage is there to CREATE it. On the contrary, you are the one who told us they (we) needed Hamot. You are the one who told us they can’t break the regime’s security apparatus to create space, therefore, you argued, change should be in the form of outside-inside; you are the one who told us that we could not do it without the help of TPLF Ethiopia. Compare: I’m the one who consistently said I trust a change by my people who live inside the country; I’m the one who said the domestic potential for change is REAL. Be kind and don’t get carried away for short-lived score. Our debate is documented.

    • Solomon

      Selamat i-SEM,

      Speaking of a neglected threat on a lazy Sunday, and until we consolidate….

      I am wondering if you can pickup or jump into the game of random associations, of course you can. For example:”zeyedekis negiromkhas dkis ‘yHadru”

      I am thinking now of the book by Fr. Ghebreab “The WekiDuba Massacre.”
      Was the Massacre shortly after Ethiopian General Andom negotiated a cease fire b/n the ELF and EPFF(hzbawi Haylitat). I would like a little more education on SeHarti, deQi Teshim’s Karneshim…. Yeah I know, it is like my very first enigmatic address to you iCaptain.

      Was the Dergue on an annihilation of anything Andom in WekiDuba?

      MoMo said meidda Eritrea kab Hadde nlaEli ktSewr ‘ykhiEl you.
      Well… TetSarari TiQmi kab kone ‘ti ‘resti, abzi hukuyy Sembet meAlti, za dmtSi tsowiAAtni:

      “Woylikha anta kedaE woylikha adHarHari, tSbeyeka ‘ya zela sewrawit Halenngi.. tattra tatarrammm tattra tatarrammm, ttram tatratatram.”

      After you settle down iCaptain

      tSAtSE

  • Hameed Al-Arabi

    Greetings Mahmud Salih,

    Testimonies exposed you to the surface. You are unable to swallow the bait.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam All
    Thanks for the article SAAY. Let’s give Ms. Bruton her dues. The topic was ” Eritrea: a neglected regional danger”. I can guess who chose that threatening title. I know the state department or the CIA, for that matter, does not consider Eritrea a threat much less a regional one. Americans are very poor in understanding global issues. They admit that. I think Ms. Bruton summarized the real situation in the Horn of Africa this way (and showed that she aint a rookie) :
    “The ground is shifting rapidly in the Horn of Africa. Recent events next door to Eritrea, in Ethiopia, have laid bare the fundamental brutality and instability of the government that the United States has used, for years, as its indispensable ally in the region. In recent months, more than 500 peaceful protestors have been gunned down by Ethiopian security forces on the streets of the Oromo and Amhara regions. Since October of last year, more than 10,000 people have been arrested and/or interrogated and/or tortured.1 Many of these victims have been young students. And less than two weeks ago, at least 23—and probably many more—political prisoners died violently inside the Kilinto prison on the outskirts of Addis Ababa. These events pose a significant and immediate threat to regional security, as an influx of even a million Ethiopian refugees into Somaliland, South Sudan or Eritrea would overwhelm those territories.” She said the real danger that has been ignored for too long is the minority TPLF government ravaging defenseless Ethiopian villagers, and the region at large, from Eritrea all the way to Somalia. She added, Eritrea does not pose a threat, which is true.
    I stressed this fact in my last comments under Dr.Beshir written testimony. Eritrea has been over monitored, over-investigated and over-prosecuted more than any country in the region; it’s been in the cross-hairs of UN, EU, and US policymakers. As an expert of Somalia, she connected past wrong American policies to what hasty American decisions could make. And you know, those lawmakers are cognizant Iraq and Somalia. Unfortunately, the Eritrean panelist failed to focus on the humanitarian issue. Instead, they repeated the same story of “Eritrea is a pariah state” that any Ethiopian official could say. When one entangles Eritrean domestic issue with regional politics, the margin of error one is prone to be exposed to is so large. This problem is so glaring in the testimonies that the Eritrean gave.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Mahmud,

      I wonder sometimes, your approach is race to the bottom. I don’t know why you keep brining Ethiopia to the mix when the topic is about Eritrea and Eritreans. If you can’t defend Eritrea human rights record, you must point the human rights violations in Ethiopia. Is there any other country in the region we should look up to and compare our selves with.

      You say Eritrea is over investigated, over persecuted, over monitored. Really, tomorrow marks the dark day of Sept 18, 15 years of the arrest of the G-15 and the journalists. Can you please provide a similar or worst situations of the human rights abuse of any country, in any part of Africa, where the citizens are running in droves every single day and month.

      What dues you want to give Ms. Burton, after her organization may have received up to 250,000 to prop up the Eritrean government and so Nevsun shares can go up.

      Berhe

      • kogne

        hi SAAY, I don’t know how it works, but who set the hearing & date and who selects the people who gives testimonies,on behalf opposition group mr, Khalid and the orthodox priest , and ms. burton on behalf of her organization ? in my view ms, burton gave a good testimony she didn’t deny about human right issue but Eritrean human right issue is not too bad comparing from those neighbouring countries,and she been in Eritrea for 18 months, and mr KHALID never seen Eritrea since 2002, and the priest who born and raised in Ethiopia he never been in Eritrea ,I think mr. BURTON is in a good position her testimony to be trusted,and she asks panel to give visit to Eritrea,i believe ms. KHALIDs testimony is misleading when he said every year tens of thousands youths after sawa they go to work (slaves) for nevsun, as far I know nevsun hires only people exempt from national service(hagerawi agelglot zi wedi au) I feel like he is Eritrean CHALABI, also I think the moderator doesn’t look he have information about his US Eritrean charge d,affairs mr LOUIS MAZELs visit to BISHA MINE COMPANY last year

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Kogne,

          I think you should ask your self, why are these Eritreans never been to Eritrea, and then you will have your answer.

          You said “the priest who born and raised in Ethiopia he never been in Eritrea”.

          I think you should listen again, he has been to Eritrea, many, many times, including reaserching for his book, the massacre that happened at Wekidiba.

          You can find his books at amazon.

          Massacre at Wekidiba: The Tragic Story of a Village in Eritrea

          Ethiopia and Eritrea: A Documentary Study by Habtu Ghebre-Ab

          Berhe

          • Bayan Nagash

            Hello Kogne,

            Hear it from the horse’s mouth. Here is an interview in Tigrinya with SBS Radio that explains how the vetting process worked. Semere H of Awate’s interview will illuminate any lingering questions that you might have had as I am sure many more Kognes are thinking along the same lines Here you go:

            http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/tigrinya/ti/content/qaala-mahhetete-mese-aato-samara-tasefaamikaaeele-aawahaahaadi-waaelaa-qaale-mesekerenate?language=ti

            Beyan

          • Nitricc

            Berhe, always behind? for what ever reason they have never been to Eritrea i.e. they don’t know the reality in the ground i.e. they are not qualified to be witnesses! do you even get it? It is amazing the white lady left the two so-called Eritrean’s stupidos in the dust.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Nitricc,

            I want to remind you we are in the twenty-first century where communication has changed the world into a village. Yesterday you were speaking about Ethiopia, have you been in Ethiopia lately? Corps in new age, minds in dark ages.

          • Nitricc

            Dear Hameed Al-Arabi; would please define what eye witness or witness mean. there is a difference between evidence and circumstantial evidence. i hope you got it.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Greetings Nitricc,

            When you watch through your small screen a football mach between Brazil and Italy, and next day you are asked by a friend: Did you see the football mach? I think you will reply positively because modern technology has brought it to your house. Another example, let us consider you have telephoned your mother by your mobile phone where your mother because of her too much longing cried and tears poured down her cheek. You watched all these happen through your skype. Of course, according to your logic you will tell I didn’t hear or look my mother crying because I am thousands of kilometers away from Eritrea. Everything you want it to work as it was thousands of years back. You want to deal with modern world as a man from the Stone Age. As I described your state in my previous comment which is very true to call you: Corps in new age, minds in dark ages.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            You said I am slow and I ignored it but you are repeating it. Why don’t you go and visit Eritrea and tell us what you see on the ground.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe,

            You people disappointing. It is deja vu 1984. Four legs good two legs bad. The PFDJ cult has its own set of logic, if you do not subscribe to it, you are two legged creature, join the four-legged creatures. Grow two more legs, just try. If you fail, pretend you are four legs and walk like a monkey.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SJ, no code needed speak with clarity so we can understand what is in your mind. 1984, two legs, four legs eight legs? what does it mean?

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            If you haven’t read 1984 (it’s a high school book by the way) you should do it now. Don’t blame me. Then, I am a traditionalist person and I adhere to the wisdom of. “N’Ashaa derguHalu, n’lebam ametellu” . an I consider forumers like you anything else but lebbamat ?

          • Solomon

            Selamat SaliH,

            Centipede or Millipede. ‘ Za pfdjna jab riEsa mwradd kann abikha? Lbonna ‘habka. KndishiH is two times a centipede legged creature.

            Hey weren’t chickens good despite their…how about penguin’s.😇

            tSAtSE

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Solomon,

            Interesting. Leaving the PFDJ alone is now considered wisdom? T’eesh ketir teshuf ketir, as they say. Honestly I despise that kind of lebona.

            Incidentally, Sunday is over and my two-liner comments stops here.

            Take care

          • Solomon

            Hey SaliH,

            Look if you want to learn a style…wait..I know you have heard this one:
            Tourist:” How do you get to Carnegie Hall?”
            Cab Driver : “Practice! Practice, Practice!”

            I suppose we have to wait until next Sunday.

            Disclaimer: I am not a member of nor do I own any stock shares of PFDJ Inc. Scout’s Honor!

            tSAtSE

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Solomon,

            I know you have no stocks of PFDJ, even if a forgotten relative left you some, discard it. It’s the devil’s money.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Sele,
            While the honorable SGD is declaring the birth of an 8-legged creature, your tSatSe is not far from that reality as a 6-legged animal. Me thinks, ant is a tough cookie many things to learn from. Speaking of tSatSe and centipede, I have a beautiful piece to add. Mr. Ant is curious and hard working and known for productivity and efficiency. No one can dispute that quality of tSatSe. Centipede is the opposite of that. Once up on a time, these two insects crossed paths. Ant was bewildered by the structure of that animal he was seeing. What a waste!- he thought loudly. Who on earth can waste all those number of legs just for one purpose- walking! As curious as the ant is, it didn’t want without asking and challenging the centipede.
            ————–
            “Hi there, do you have names?’
            “Names, why?. Only one, generic…I am a centipede.”
            “You have all those legs under one name!? What can you do with them other than walking?”
            “None. What else is done with legs?”
            “I mean, do they help you carry or push heavier and more loads?”
            “Nope. I don’t carry or push loads at all.”
            “Interesting! How do you walk? Which of your legs start walking first?”
            “I don’t know. never thought about it. i just do it.”
            “Well, we can check it now. You can show me now and and I will watch. We”ll figure it right here, right now. You will start slowly and I will observe the first leg moving.”
            Centipede agreed to do the experiment. When it thought about it, it felt like he was doing it for the first time. He didn’t know how to do it. All of a sudden he lost the skill of walking and got confused. When thought was involved, legs were unable to move. Mind became obstacle. Ant was amazed at the dysfunctionality of the creature. Ant thought, too many tools can get on each others way instead of complementing. Centipede remained crippled can’t move any more now. It was effectively disarmed in a seconds. Ant offered a help to carry him to where he was going.
            “But I’m too big for your size.”
            “Well, I am well equipped. I can carry 50 times greater of my size.”
            Centipede thought about himself how he was inefficiently designed and cursed its creator. He shared that sense of inadequacy with the ant. The ant advised the centipede not to think about himself that way. He was moving perfectly well until they met and he took the blame up on himself instilling unnecessary rationality and thinking that crippled him.
            “So how am I going to get cured of this disease called thinking?”
            “I suggest you read a book called A New Earth. You will be able to shake of the mind-borne noises and get connected to your being.”
            “Okay, feels good. you brought the problem, you brought the solution.”
            “Yes. We usually are part of the solution as much as we are part of the problem.”
            “Then, why do we have more problems than solutions?”
            “It must be because naturally we experience the problem before the solution and the problem problematizes the approach towards solution. It keep on feeding on itself. And we are not aware.”
            “How do you know all these things? What and how do you know the first thing and then the 2nd…?”
            “How and which leg do you move first?”
            “I told you already. I just move when I move.”
            “That is it. Don’t move based on others’ move. Don’t be misled by the “when you move i move’ creed. Ludacris is ludicrous. Saay is sley….”
            “Now drop me here. I can move from here on…”
            —————-
            Confession, pardon me on this tSatSe inspired piece…I just got carried away…extended it to some absurd level..

          • Berhe Y

            Nitricc,

            Last time you said, what’s that weird instrument to the accordion. You have never heard Big Brother, Orwell or Orwellian terms. Which planet do you live?

            Berhe

          • kogne

            HELLO SALEH, A person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions from his is called A BIGOT, you are exact that person, you keep saying PFDJ have to be weedout from its roots,because they have different opinion from yours, that’s wrong ,you have to know to weed even a tiny square foot of grass it needs work ,

          • Saleh Johar

            HELLO KIGNE,

            If you want me to apologize for hating the PFDJ and its satellites, you will have a long wait ahead of you. I never hate the PFDJ because they have a different opinion, but because it’s a tyranny, cruel, and un-elected. That is not called bigotry, I am glad you are not teaching English to any child. Maybe you should consult with the smallest dictionary you can find. And you want the forumers to unlearn their meanings! Maybe a PFDJ proclamation decreed that.Weed-out is figurative, you can also look that up. Common, a high schooler knows the meaning of such words!

            What I wish for the PFDJ i not to be weeded out, Hash’a, I wouldn’t wish that for your government, but, bunqus da’a ybelu. I hope I explained myself, Kogne.

    • Ismail AA

      Hayak Allah Mahmoud,
      With due respect, I couldn’t capture how the relevance of the long quote from Ms. Bruton’s testimony links with the core issues the hearing addressed: the human rights violation in Eritrea. Pressed with the ordeal of trying to defend the indefensible, she strayed away from the subject matter of the proceeding to events in Ethiopia, regardless of how we see them. Moreover, should we not think rights violation is at crux of humanitarian issues, which in my view the two Eritrean witnesses have adequately and professionally narrated? Arguing that Eritrea has been “over-prosecuted” should vindicate its regime’s excesses and crimes.
      Regards,
      Ismail

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Ismael AA and BerheY; also hellow to Al-Arabi
        Dear Ismael and BerheY, thanks for your brotherly disposition. Here is where I see things go wrong.
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        • Ismail AA

          Hayak Allah Ustaz Mahmoud,

          Though I didn’t get what you meant by the last sentence, I should underscore in passing that it’s high time to realize the urgency of closing ranks and putting an end to the ongoing national hemorrhage. As people of conscience, we shouldn’t remain bogged in ego-driven defense of personal legacies regardless of emotional burden these carry.
          Regards,
          Ismail

  • Ismail AA

    Ahlen SAAY,
    Your remarks in this article could be read as excellent appraisal of Ms. B. Bronwyn’s performance as witness before the US Foreign Relations Congressional Subcommittee.

    Having listened to testimony and noticing the random loopholes, uncertainties and outright admissions that came out on some key areas of her defense of the regime, a conscientious person in her positions would take the advices you offered her as cost free counselling should she decide to re-think future option. For an ambitious person that she seemed to be her trade and role do not seem to be viable in Eritrea under the current despotic order.

    It appeared that she was in awkward position trying to defend the regime’s horrendous violations and dubious role of Nevsun. It was an uphill mission to defend a regime whose violations have already been tallied and recorded. It was observable from the proceeding of the hearing that there appeared to be clear contrast between the comfortable conscience the two Eritrean witnesses exhibited and the strained demeanor Ms. Bruton reflected.
    Regards,
    Ismail

  • Solomon

    Selamat Saay7,

    Is it selection bias that this website did not publish Ms. Burton’s testimony? I agree with your “she is data driven” but other than Dr.Khalid’s and Fr. GhrbreAb’s testimonials, what additional data would she be provided by the Opposition?

    Brother Said’s “The Opposition need to educate themselves.” comes tonmind

    tSAtSE

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