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Ethiopia: Debretsion’s Final Nail in the EPRDF Coffin

In a speech he delivered in December 28, 2019, Dr. Debretsion Gebremichael, declared the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) coalition is dead.

Dr. Debrestsion is the chairman of the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) and the deputy President of the Northern Ethiopian Tigray Region.

The EPRDF, formed under the auspices of the TPLF, is a coalition of four Ethiopian rebel groups that defeated the Derg regime in 1991 and formed a government based on Ethnic federalism. TPLF was instrumental in forming the coalition under the leadership of the late Meles Zenawi.

The other members of the EPRDF coalition were, the Amhara Democratic Party (ADP) The Southern Peoples’ Democratic Movement (SEPDM), and the Oromo Democratic Party (ODP).

Following the popular protests spearheaded by the Oromo Qero movement, in February 2018 Hailemarian Desalegn resigned from his position as prime minister of the country. Two months later, in April 2018, Dr. Abiy Ahmed replaced him as the prime minister of Ethiopia and the chairman of the EPRDF coalition.

However, Abiy Ahmed’s relations with the TPLF started sour and continued to deteriorate as many senior TPLF officials were publicly defamed through the state and regional sponsored media outlets. The relentless campaign and accusations levelled against TPLF officials, such as abuse of power and corruption became a populist cause and the entire Tigray region was targeted. Tigrayans, and their region, were increasingly alienated by the Abiy leadership distancing them from the federal Ethiopian economy and politics.

In November 2019, Abiy government announced the merger of the EPRDF constituent parties. However, TPLF, the founding member of the EPRDF boycotted the merger and is not a member of the Prosperity Party that replaced the EPRDF as a ruling party of Ethiopia.

In addition to the four members of the EPRDF, there were six other parties governing the rest of the Ethiopian Kilils (regions): Afar, Amhara Benishangul-Gumuz, Gambela, Harari, Oromia, Somali, Southern Nations, Nationalities, and Peoples’ Region Tigray. A tenth region, Sidama,  has been recently created after a referendum to form its own autonomous region. In addition, Addis Ababa and Dire Dawa are administered as separate chartered cities,.

TPLF Reaction

In what is considered the most blunt criticism, two days ago Dr. Debretsion delivered a speech regarding the current situation between the TPLF and the federal government led by prime minister Abiy Ahmed. He levelled an accusation against the government of Abiy Ahmed describing it as “The force leading Ethiopia [that] is working diligently to destroy the people of Tigray and Tigray.”

The political difference between Abiy and the TPLF has been escalating since former came to power in April 2018.

Debretsion added, “Policies that were promulgated by the EPRDF are being openly violated…the federal system and the constitution is in a serious danger.”

Explaining why the TPLF is targeted, he said “the TPLF refused to participate in their unprincipled goals, and the ruling forces are working on their plans… to finish off Tigray, and [the matter] is getting worse.”

He said, “we shouldn’t be inflamed,  we are not, because we understand their goals which are becoming excessive and getting more serious. What they worked on so far is not minor…the roads leading to [Tigray] have been blocked to stop the movements of vehicles…they have disintegrated the EPRDF party; and formed a different party with different program.”

With bitterness, he described the decision of the TPLF’s earlier allies, he said, “the three organizations are gone, they have rebelled, they fell over the cliff, they abandoned the path they were in, but we haven’t abandoned it.” He further stressed, “this is what we called betrayal, they didn’t only betray us, they have betrayed their people, the poor people, they betrayed the country and we consider them traitors.”

Debretsion also made a serious accusation against Abiy’s government saying, “on top of that, they have exposed the country to outsiders, but this can be overcome and they will shame themselves, history will shame them.”

His defiantly stressed, “if we hold on to the direction of the people,  and [maintain] proper views, by reinforcing our organization and unity—what would be impossible? How would that be impossible? Nothing is impossible.”

He finally assured the attendants of the conference, “we are not messengers of anyone but your messengers…if you ask us jump, we will ask how high, there is no other earthly power that gives us orders, but our people.”

Meanwhile, regional and international observers are following and accessing the political situation in Ethiopia with concern. However, the future of the federal system of Ethiopia that was established almost three-decades ago following the defeat of the Derg regime is unpredictable.

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  • mokie berhe

    Salam All. Just look at the official TPLF statement issued on their Facebook page (Note the similarities with what the Agazian crew here has been preaching!).
    1) Present political situation in Ethiopia is characterised by an all-out effort to restore ‘oppression and slavery’
    2) Others have ended the EPRDF path of developmental democracy
    3) Projects an image of Tigray and Eritrea people being intermarried and sharing the same culture and language
    4) Stresses that the TPLF supported the Eritrean struggle and that ‘the two people (Tigray and Eritrea) fought together against the Derg and paid sacrifices to the point that combatants have shared graves.
    5) Regrets the bloody ‘unnecessary’ border war with Eritrea and says that the TPLF has being doing all it can to rectify the mistake. Indicates that there was a hopeful process between the two countries, for a year and a half, which was “stalled” for reasons unknown
    6) Says that “TPLF and the people of Tigray are ready to do whatever is expected from them so as to make the promising brotherhood and relation, and cooperation reliable and lasting. We call upon the people of Eritrea to do their part to make peace reliable”.
    7) Statement excludes mentioning PIA/PFDJ.
    8) Cites “The negative role that some foreign forces are playing against our people and country, knowingly or unknowingly, need to understand that their actions will harm our country’s and the region’s peace and interest, and put their hands off our internal affairs. If they do not do that, they need to understand that they will take responsibility.”
    9) Calls upon members of the TPLF and people of Tigray in and outside of the country to stand behind the TPLF in the struggle to ‘defend development democracy’.

    • Peace!

      Hi Mokie

      Thank you. The Agazian project is the same as Tigray–Tigryini project. The project that emperor Yohannes tried and failed; the project that Amanuel Sahle and his likes have been actively promoting; and the project that TPLF supports and continues to provide platforms and financial support. If one admires these individuals and TPLF unconditionally, then it is fair to assume he is one of them unless a compelling reason is given other than delving into diminishing the organization when challenged as if the real face of Agazians are not people like Amanuel Sahle and TPLF.

      Of course this is not to deny their unalienable rights that everyone has the right to believe and support any organization they wish and promotes their interest, but in doing so, they should not be a distraction to others with opposite vision.

      Peace!

  • mokie berhe

    Salam all. Convicted rapist, Prof. Tony Magana, Neurosurgeon, Ayder Referral Hospital, Mekelle University, is providing free consultation for those that have been inflicted with Woyanista complex. Symptoms of Woyanista complex include: 1) DSM-IV-TR detection with grandiose delusions and prefers to be addressed as Doctor or Professor, 2) Exhibits Dunning-Kruger effect, 3) Visits Eritrean opposition websites and pretends to be an Eritrean while constantly praising and defending Meles Zenawi and the TPLF, 4) Often dreams of yellow triangles and stars against a red background, 5) Maintains that Ethiopia’s 2015 election results -100% win for the EPRDF(TPLF)- was a stellar example of democracy and constitutional effectiveness, 6) Frequently tells people after a few beers that he/she is related to Getachew Assefa, 7) Maintains that Azeb Mesfin is really dirt poor, 7) Endlessly supports a Greater Tigray to include large swaths of Amhara Region, Somalia, South Sudan and Eritrea, 8) Is a full-paid TPLF member though lives outside of Tigray, 9) Sometimes wrongly says Didebitsion instead of Debretzion, 10) Believes that kebele 16 in Mekelle is the center of the universe.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam all. Interesting article recently posted on Eritrean Press:
    ’03 Jan 2020 – (EP) Eritrean Press can confirm from a reliable source that the pseudo journalist Tamerat Negera Feyisa and Journalist Yayesew Shimelis are a paid-up TPLF recruits.

    Today, Ethiopian security officers stopped Yayesew Shimelis from boarding his flight to Mekelle at Addis Ababa Bole International Airport.

    Author Tesfaye Gebreab (pictured Rear Right) also revealed today the reason Tamerat’s (pictured Front Left) hate towards Eritreans.

    Tesfaye said that Tamerat’s father was killed in Eritrea during the Eritreans Liberation War for independent.’

    • Abi

      Hello Mokie b
      It is totally embarrassing to see Eritreans jolted this much by a comment that came from an individual who is clearly hallucinating and no where close to the decision makers. This journalist got all the attention and media coverage just because Eritreans are losing confidence in their independence . I have no other expectations for these reactions. How is it possible for all these brave Eritreans who gained their independence through unimaginable hardships soil their pants just because a journalist hallucinated.
      “ጦር ከፈታው ወሬ የፈታው” ይላሉ ያገሬ ሰዎች
      Unbelievable!!

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Abi. I am not really sure how to take EP Eritrean Press. At times, EP appears to be purely PFDJ propaganda machinery, but occasionally, they will really rip into the PFDJ. My take, in this instance, is that it is simply a knee-jerk reaction to recent postings on Tigrai online on the same subject matter.

        • Abi

          Mokie
          Peace said it all brilliantly. It is a coordinated effort by the tplf and agazian operatives. Guess who brought the news here? You guessed it right!! The one and only Paul the Greatista ! Also, guess who threw his unwavering support? Again, you guessed right!! The Professor whose support and unmatched admiration for tplf is questionable to put it mildly.

    • Peace!

      Hi Mokie,

      Tamrat is an individual journalist with absolutely no leverage other than a big mouth for seeking attentions. However, it is a perfect tool for arousing resentment against Amhara and drag Eritreans into TPLF’s quagmire. That is the underlying malicious campaign behind the fake rage.

      Strangely enough what the Agazian squad don’t want you to watch or follow is the tenacious effort by TPLF to dismantle Eritrea. The organization is doing everything it can including brainwashing the young by providing platform for intellectuals with Agazian nation ambition. Below is the very recent message or perhaps a theme at the very recent third TPLF ጉባኤ by መምህር ገብረኪዳን ደስታ:

      “ሃጸይ ዮዉሃንስ ቀይሕ ባሕሪ ዘለዋ ትግራይ ገዲፉ ንጎንደር ክዘምት ክብል ስትራተጂካዊ ረብሓ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ከሲርና ንርከብ ኣለና፥-ስለዚ ናይዚ ወለዶ ቀንዲ መሰረታዊ ቃልሲ ክኸዉን ዘለዎ ስትራተጂካዊ ረብሓ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ምምላስ እዩ”

      With that in mind, the rage against an individual journalist Tamrat is utterly fake and a pure tool to deceive Eritreans.

      Peace!

      • Abi

        Hello Peace
        Brilliant!!
        This journalist wannabe is definitely a paid agazian/tplf agent that is trying to galvanize Eritreans based on their fear of losing independence.
        It makes sense.
        I don’t think The strong resemblance between the journalist and my friend Paul is a mere coincidence.

        What is Teacher G.Kidan Desta Saying?
        Thanks for the transition.

        • Peace!

          Hi Ras abi,

          Emperor Yohannes made a huge mistake for trying to expand to Gonder ignoringTigray’s Red Sea. Therefore, the fundamental struggle of the young generation should be to reverse that.(Greater Tigray)

          The ironic is that this message was clearly conveyed at the TPLF third congress conference, not a Facebook or youtube product. I rather stop here before Amanuel Hidrat pop out and accuse me of hate toward Tigray people. Sad!

          Peace!

          • Abi

            Peace
            Tigray’s Red Sea?
            Ok, I’m listening…

        • Paulos

          Abination,

          Do you know what they say, genius is figuring out the obvious. And that is precisely the difference between you and the rest of us when we failed to see the stuff right in front of us, the similarity between me and Tamrat, for instance.

          • Abi

            Paul
            ሃዋርያዉ ዻውሎስ በአንደኛ ቆሮንጦስ ምዕራፍ 12 ከቁጥር 12-27 በቆሮንጦስ የሚገኙ ክርስቲያን ወንድሞቹን ለማበረታቻ በፃፈው ደብዳቤ እንደገለፀው
            “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body though many, are one body…”
            በመቀጠልም
            “For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body”.

            My point is that the similarity between you and the journalist is understatement. It is more of sameness.Spirit is a powerful thing.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Are you saying that I am hallucinating for you said in your previous comment that the guy was hallucinating.

          • Abi

            Paul
            “እዩት ሲጠረጥር!”
            “እዩት ሲያውቅ! ” አለ ያገሬ ሰው::

    • Paulos

      Mokie,

      Certainly the brilliant and energetic Yayesew is working for Tigrai-TV and there is no secret about it and all the props to him for refusing to line up with Walta and Fana as they are a bunch of sellouts who betrayed their journalistic ethics and integrity but chose to serve Abiy’s agendas and interests instead.

      What you just said about that Tamrat guy is not only lame [Typical from Higdef’s playbook] but it is funny that it came from a political w*ore and ለኽባጥ extraordinaire Tesfaye Gebreab. Tamrat revealed and brought to the fore what millions of Ethiopians say it in private. Yea you read me right. Millions of Ethiopians—the nostro mare lot!

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Paulos. It’s OK. Count to 8 slowly and try to relax. Happy to inform you that Dr. Magana also treats Dissociative Identity Disorder. Who do you feel like you are at this time/hour? An Agazian? Or, maybe a reincarnated Hayelom Araya? Do you wish to pretend being an Eritrean opposition member in the next hour or so?

        • Paulos

          ሃለውለው ኣይትበል ሃታፍ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            I am laughing when some individuals try to be more nationalistic than the nationalist who spent their lives to galvanize for Eritrean nationalism. What is interesting of them is, when you have different view than their views, they tag you with different names. እንታይ ይበሃል እዚ? ድኽነት ናይ ሓሳብ’ዶ ክንብሎ? ዋላስ እንታይ?ዘገርም እዩ:: እቲ ቃልሶም ናይ ሓሳብ ውግእ እንተዝገብርዎ ክንደይ ጽቡቅ ነይሩ::

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            They [Isaias, Wannabe-Opposition, Abiy and his supporters] all have common enemy. Weyane! Their sheer stupidity cuts deep into their alliance though and the Weyanes are banking on it. Simply because the more they vilify the Weyanes, the more the people of Tigrai are united with the Weyanes! And you can see how determined these people are as their recent Congress attests to that effect.

            TPLF owns historical legitimacy for it brought to an end the one hundred year old shame and humiliation of the Tigrean people under the successive Ethiopian leaders. And attacking that solid legacy whether the Weyane leaders were corrupted or not is stupid political strategy.

            On the other hand, you can see how the Weyanes are handling the Eritrean question in such a way that they are trying to isolate Isaias from the Eritrean people not by attacking him but by historical recourse when they evoke their common history including when they fought Dergue together to liberate Eritrea and Ethiopia as well. In fact, if you remember, Meles employed similar strategy when he decided not to pursue the war beyond Badme for Isaias would have rallied the Eritrean people on the account that the Weyanes wanted to reverse Eritrean independence but again, Meles denied Isaias that critical political victory.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Meles wanted Isayas to stay at the helm since he knew very well that isayas will abuse the Eritrean people like there is no tomorrow.
            He succeeded and you are cheerleading unwittingly.
            He could have helped the opposition to do something about isayas. Well, we know what happened.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            As it happened, the Tamrat guy is doubling down [Essentially, he is saying scr*w you and f**k you all] on what he said the other day. He is responding on the same channel–Sheger Times. Check him out. I haven’t finished watching for he is too much but with all honesty, he has the guts for he is standing his ground given the enormous pressure he has been under.

            Here is the thing that struck me the most though, here you have a guy spilling his guts out with no qualms what so ever including coming down hard on Abiy on some issues. And he does that with a sense of an ease precisely because one of the fundamental political institutions is in place: the right to speak as in freedom of speech but of course he is badmouthing the very Front [EPRDF-TPLF] that had made it happen. Ungrateful lot comes to mind. Don’t you agree our own Abination?

          • Abi

            Paul
            Your own Abination ፈፅሞ አይስማሙም!!
            This ዱርዬ ፍየል is on a mission to agitate more. The gullible Eritreans are so scared that they forgot they got their independence through hardships. The more he agitates, the more people cling on the dying tplf including Eritreans. Mission accomplished!! Check in the bank!
            አቦ በአንድ አውቆ አበድ አትርበድበዱ!
            እብድ አይከሰስ, አይወቀስ::

            One thing I agree is almost all Ethiopians want a sea outlet. However, I doubt many agree on his way of getting it.
            Meles did not want to use your ports because he knew where he hurts you the most.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            ኣትረከ እብድ! ጽሉል መሲልካ ድራሮም ወዳኣሎም [Tedros Alem will translate it for you.]

            The guy is up to something. Really. His audience is not the Eritrean people, rather he is grand standing a classic populist rhetoric to galvanize young Ethiopians where extreme views are selling hot with in the current Ethiopian political discourse. I will not be surprised if this guy owns a major spot light in a year or so. He is not a fringe at all. I urge you to listen to what he says.

          • Abi

            Paul
            ኢትዮጵያዊው ተስፋፅዮን እንበለው?
            ምን አለ እናደምጠዋለና እርስዎ ካዘዙን ጌታው!
            ልዑል ራሥ አቢ አስተርጏሚ ተቸግረው የማንም ወያላ ይተርጉምላቸው? እንዲህማ አያዋርዷቸውም!

            ባይሆን እርስዎኑ አስቸግራለሁ እንጂ…

          • Teodros Alem

            selam
            She said, u have no principl, u r flipflopper with 0 moral values and she also said,i can tell from ur behavior that u grow up doing “wayala” then and u still doing poltical “wayala” now . and she also said, all this happen to u because the way u grow up with ur mom doing tela business with business busness.

          • Abi

            Hello TA
            👍👍👍👍👍
            Congratulations!!!!
            This time you earned 5 upvotes. Put them in a safe place. ለክፉ ቀን ይሆኑሃል:: ድብርት ሲያጋጭህ እያወጣህ ትቆጠራቸዋለህ::

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            “Mogna ena wareket yeyazewan ayelekem” , i told u, go re-read why i don’t accept anything from u.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            I did translate it as u ask .
            The thing is, if u believe it or not, no voice can get media coverage if the gov don’t like it in ethiopia.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            In this part of the world, 3A stands for battery but if you say Abiy is 3A, that’s fine too.

            Nothing special is going on between DIA and 3A, they are in cahoots on how to stay in power sans vision for their respective countries. They both are clowns and pathetic losers.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            I don’t think they have a problem to stay in power. I real don’t.
            Anyways we will see, what do u think about tesfai g ,

          • iSem

            Hi Paulo: Merry Christmas for seconda volta, Natalle Nostra:-) I know am too rusty now.
            They say hindsight is 2020, but MZ made the mistake for not going all the way to Asmara to send the butcher of Sahel back to Sahel. He was packing anyway. Bush first mistake in the first Gulf war.
            As you said, say what you will about Woyane/kedemeti and no matter what will happen to them, fail/failed but that is exactly what they did, elevated their people from over a century of servitude. Unimpeachable credit to TPLF. Contrary to that the butcher or Sahel has put our people in servitude
            in less than 100 years, everything is irrelevant in the scheme of humanity as the nations state, even race will be irrelevant anyway

          • Paulos

            Caro Semerile,

            I thought that was a brilliant move when Meles refused to take the bait when Isaias was craving to see him pressing on all the way to Asmara precisely because, at that time Isaias including his top cadres particularly at Dahai [except the brave and gutsy Aya Saleh] were pitching the same propaganda when the war was sold as Weyanes all along intention to reverse Eritrean independence.

            Moreover, Meles knew too well that, the Eritrean people were at some point going stand up against Isaias and of course, the future was foretold so to speak for we are living the prophesy. Strange as it may seem however, in one of the vagaries of history, it is Isaias himself who is working hard to reverse the hard won independence and of course, Meles could not have seen that coming.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam iSem. Fact is that both MZ and PIA was/is brutal dictators. To glorify/defend MZ (&TPLF) is just as wrong as it is to glorify/defend PIA (&PFDJ). Bad governance and wrongdoings from both sides needs to be acknowledged and we need to move on in a positive direction.

          • Peace!

            Hi Mokie,

            Very simple! Meles was a lot better and the thousands innocent people he murdered and displaced were Ethiopians as if their lives do not matter. This is why Eritrea is failing miserably despite the educated, the professionals, the skilled, and the experienced. I think this brilliant quote can explain why:

            “If you are emotionally attached to your tribe or political leaning,
            to the point that the truth and justice become secondary consideration, your education is useless. Your exposure is useless. If you cannot reason beyond petty sentiments, you are a liability to a man kind.”

            Dr. Chiba

            Peace!

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Paulos. Out of curiosity, I wonder if guys like you and the Professor (not the one from Gilligan’s Island) have long been Agazians or did you have a mid-to-late life change?

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            I honestly don’t know what Agazian is but if you are talking about the schizophrenic clap trap, it was dead on arrival for it was non-starter. The guy who claims to have started it is a certified looney to say the least.

            One thing is clear and off limits: Eritrea is an independent and sovereign nation! The rest as they say is commentary. The Weyanes have tonnes of sh*t to deal with and frankly, it is their own business and I personally do not have any issue with them as long as they don’t intend to scr*w Eritrea up. But again, I support their political and economic modus operandi of you will as in Ethnic Based Federalism, Developmental State and Revolutionary Democracy for there is no other way around to the enormous challenges Ethiopia is facing at the present time and in the foreseeable future as well.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Paulos. You and the Professor are always 100% in support/defence of the TPLF. Maybe you are paid to do so. Be it that you are an Agazian or from 3rd Woyane, Baitona, or the SebHidri Civil Society of Tigray; it is all the same for me, for I consider you both to be Agazians.

          • Paulos

            Mokie,

            How is that you know so much about these people when the rest of us have scant knowledge about what is going on in Tigrai? You know all the political parties that are sprouting [Baitona, 3rd Weyane…], for instance. You could be the one who is on a payroll with ህግደፍ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            You are disappointing your Abination. Seems like you haven’t paid attention for a while. In my opinion, when it comes to the regional politics, Mokie knows more than the combined knowledge of all the Political scientists, Doctors and professors of Awate’s Political Science and International Studies Department.

            If I remember correctly he was one of the negotiators during the 98 war. I tell you, he is way up there.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I believe you. He must be either a dude at a corner in a public library mumbling to himself or one of top tier PFDJ who have a lot to lose should the menace in Eritrea exits.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Why am I the only person paying attention here? 🙈
            Not at all.You didn’t see him at the public library. Last time you saw him was during the 91 victory celebrations. He was the tall guy sporting a baseball cap.
            More descriptions upon special request.
            Pay attention!! Will you…

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I think Mokie Berhe is Haile Monkorios, the money laundering professional at Eritrean embassy in Ethiopia:).

            You are upto something, he knows so much.

            Paulo and Amanuel H. for example, I don’t know how they don’t see the danger the the danger the TPLF (I believe) who are sponsoring guys (like the Agazian) guy and a threat to the Eritrean sovereignty they pose.

            For example,

            1) there was a picture circulating around a while ago a meeting the Agazian guy had with INSA General Directory M/General Tekleberhan Woldearegay.

            2) Memhir Muluberhan in one of the meeting he was attending ስጋብ ሕጂ፡ ተጽበዩ፡ ዓቅሊ ግበሩ እዮም ኢሎምና፡ መንእሰይ ባዕሉ ይወጽእ ስለ ዘሎ፡፡ ህዝቢ ዶ ወጺኡ ይውዳእ እዩ፡፡

            3) Peace the great wrote this in his post. And I saw the video of this guy.

            TPLF ጉባኤ by መምህር ገብረኪዳን ደስታ:

            “ሃጸይ ዮዉሃንስ ቀይሕ ባሕሪ ዘለዋ ትግራይ ገዲፉ ንጎንደር ክዘምት ክብል ስትራተጂካዊ ረብሓ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ከሲርና ንርከብ ኣለና፥-ስለዚ ናይዚ ወለዶ ቀንዲ መሰረታዊ ቃልሲ ክኸዉን ዘለዎ ስትራተጂካዊ ረብሓ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ምምላስ እዩ”

            I think the same guy also say…to weaken Tigray, just like what happened between Menlik and Italy, now the same thing is happening between Isayas and Abiy. The actors have changed but it’s the same game.

            4) there was this another youtube guy by a guy named Yosief Ghebrehiwet (J-Studio) who has been working day and night on his youtube channel. He has detail and inside knowledge about the inteworking of PFDJ Eritrea. He was a fallout at some point with the Agazian guy, when he revealed that they were sponsored by TPLF. It’s the first time I heard it, but the guy was telling the story of Zerai Deres and how he fought in Italy and all. What I was surprised was, he was calling him Tigray Zerai Deres. We all know, Zerai Deres was from Eritrea proper and there was never mention of him being from Tigray.

            What they were claiming was..Tigray before Italy include the whole of current Eritrea. So in their new strategy, they will incorporate the whole Eritrea, it’s no more the Tigray-Tigringi but everything including the highlands, the lowlands…

            5) The Agazian group advocating is genocide to the Eritreans who do resist to their incorporation plan. Creating civil war and ethnic tension among Eritreans.

            And this is the worst type of politics that I have witnessed among Eritreans.

            Just look around the other way….Is there any Eritrean who is interfering in Tigray / TPLF internal problems. Even from PFDJ hardcore supporters..their fight is with TPLF (as an organization) but never with the peaceful existence of the Tigray people. They do not interfere in their internal affairs.

            And this was not the case, it started after Abiy took over and they changed gear and their focus towards Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            See why I’m proud of you!! You take your time to understand what is going on around here.
            Just after the peace agreement between the two countries, there was a coordinated effort by the promoters of the agazian mercenaries in attacking the agreement in general and Abiy in particular. The attack was led by non other than Hayat Adem in cooperation with the best and brightest at this website. Even the honorable SGJ got involved later on. The same with Kokobe. Hayat was getting every information from a person who goes by a nickname AG. I remember SGJ personally apologizing to Hayat Adem for not defending her early on. They were all busy nitpicking whatever Abiy said and made a big deal about it.
            It was only the ultra geniuses like Tegadalay Vet Mahmud, Amde, Hope, Peace, and some others fought back to foil the relentless attack by the highly compromised and desperately confused lots. Of course, yours truly was the leader of the defense forces. Most of These geniuses have left the website. ( I came back to protect my ሃውና🙈) . One person still around is Haile S. He never fall into the agazian trap.
            Now, the new coordinated effort is to scare the young Eritreans to bring them into the tplf ጉያ. Ethiopians are coming after your ports!! We are your brothers and sisters even though we didn’t like the color of your eyes some twenty years ago. As Teg Vet Mahmud put it, “ they are Ethiopians only when they are in power “. Now that they don’t have the power anymore, they come begging the Eritreans for forgiveness. They are preaching oneness.
            The agazian sponsors you mentioned clearly know what they are doing. Have you ever seen them arguing on anything? No. They read from the same manual provided by their handlers.
            “If two people agree all the time, one is not thinking “ (Reagan).

            Pay attention!!!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi & Berhe,

            ኣባ ትልቁ, I am probably the only one among the colleagues here who went to 3 schools by the name of Agazian (2 elementary, 1 sec-high). I am well immunized.

            Berhe, on teacher Ghebrekidan, his lecture started with false information by saying “Yohannes who controlled the red sea…..” Yohannes never controlled red sea. By the time Tewodros and him were in power Egypt was controlling the whole coast and region including western Eritrea. What he said after on Menelik conspiring against Yohannes is speculative since Italy’s Antonelli was in Addis at that timr. He started from completely false information to speculation for propaganda purposes. If he was the friend of the young as he put it, it would have better to teach them objectively by raising their curiosity rather than their vengefulness against je ne sais quoi!

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ድሮ ምድር አዲስ ሳለች በእናንተ ዘመን ሽማግሌ ዋሽቶ ያስታርቅ ነበር :: የዘንድሮ ቅሌታም ሽማግሌ ዋሽቶ ያጣላል::
            እድሜና ጤና ይስጥልኝ::

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Hailat,
            2 Agazians? So, TesfaZion should bow to you 🙂

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Mehandsha,
            They were 3, you missed one, all in Edaga Hamus, Asmara, between enda-Selassie church and bar Tiblets (ባር ትብለጽ), west of YMCA. If Tesfaxion didn’t attend one of them, he is not worthy of leading the organization 🙂 :-). Me, as I said, I am hyperimmunized. May be Paul who went to ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ school few meters from Agazian Junior High, may be longing to try 🙂 :-).

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Hailat,
            ባር ትብለጽ ምስበልካ ጠርሙዝ ክዓትር ከለኹ ተራእዩኒ!
            ከም ዝመስለኒ ከምዚ ቀጠልያ መሳሊት ጃኬት ጌርካ ኣብ ኩርናዕ [ጥቓ ቤትሮ] ኮፍ ትብል ዝነበርካ ኣብ ክላስና ኢኻ መስለኒ?
            ሞኒተርና ከደራይ ቅጥን ኢሉ ነዊሕ ወዲ ዝነበረ
            ግዜ ሓሊፉ!

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I attended Agazian and do you remember the mural arts on the walls of the school? Come to think of it now, I think it was top of the line in its own right. And of course, ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ was right across Agazian and ሰታዮ was to the left of ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ I believe. I wonder who owned ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ for it wasn’t an easy task to own private schools back in the days in particular.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            The biggest problem was that even the wealthy didn’t know how bank loans work. They had enough capital to start with and could easily get access to loans from the bank. But most didn’t even know that was possible, while Muslims avoided the banks because Interest is considered a big offense. In the early seventies Addis Ababa Bank held a big ceremony for hitting 3 million birr–I am not sure, and can’t remember if that was capital, deposits, or the balance sheet 🙂

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ኣንታ ሳልሕ፥;
            ክንደይ ትረግም ወደይ። ምሸት ምድሪ ድኽነተይ ተዘኻኽረኒ?

          • Haile S.

            Good morning Paul, and Awatistas
            After Dergue’s nationalization, I don’t think schools were returned back to their previous owners.
            The Agazian school mozaic was one of the master pieces of Asmara architecture. It has some cracks and bad cement reparations that should be restored to the original and preserved. When I was there decade ago, I took a picture from the street.
            SGJ, my first Agazian school (እንዳ ደዓሩ) from grade 1 to 4 was rented. One of the letter I carried to my parents said: ዝኸበርኩም ኣቶ ___ ናይ ዝሓለፈ ወርሒ ክፍሊት ደንጒኹም ኣለኹም። ክራይ ገዛ ንምኽፋል ስለ ዝተጸገምና፡ በጃኹም ብዝቐልጠፈ ሕሳብ ክትዓጽዉልና ንምሕጸነኩም
            መምህር እዝራ

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Haile and Paulo,

            I did not go to Afazian but I remember the mural very well. Recently I learned, it was by the same Italian artist who did the mural at the St. Mary church.

            Her grand daughter, who is American had posted the picture when she visited Asmara. I think she had a website showing all other arts by the sane women.

            I am sure Saay probably knows the link.

            Berhe

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Haile,

            Thank you. The narrative has changed now, it’s not that “we fought for the ERITREAN people rights more than the Eritreans themselves” but “the whole Eritrea was ours and it was Tigray”.

            Here is a question, I ask Paulo the other day.

            1) before the Italians build the road to Massawa, how did people from Eritrea highlands let alone from Tigray were able to go to the sea?

            2) I know there is a way one can walk around, may be with a donkey or a mule but nothing that one can claim to have owned the sea and run successful trade?

            I think someone said, the first Ethiopian leader who put his food in the RedSea is Haile Slassie.

            What also I like to know is, if there was so much knowledge of trade and travel from the sea, which means, our people where great at building sailing ships and swimming, diving etc. Then what happen to that great knowledge ? How can it gets erased so fast and so soon, that the closest, the people of Kebesa got to swim is in a bathtub, after the Italians came. No?

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            Brilliantly put! “the whole Eritrea was ours and it was Tigray”. የኛ was one of the key problems with previous central ethiopian regimes and now TPLF its media houses and its intellectuals are copying that strategy. Bashing Eritrea and Eritreans while saying we are brothers …. and what not, እንዳደራዕካ፡ መሬት ነኺስካ ሒዝካ እንከለኻ፡ ሰላም ምጭናው. This partially answers Mehands’s question on “why we hate them” that I refrained from delving-in. Hate was not the right word and I am glad Mehands corrected himself and clarified what he meant.

            I am actually very busy, I will come on the other parts of your questions and on Yohannes’ brilliant analysis.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe

            Massawa was the only convinient outlet for commerce of slaves, ivory, civet musk (a natural perfume) etc… and to import clothing and other materials of foreign trade. There were always few roads, trails rather, deep from Oromo areas and from Dembia/Gonder through Tigray crossing Meteb to Massawa. Going from Massawa there were generally three frequented trails. One passes through Asmara down Adiquala to Adwa Shire and Gonder. The other from Massawa through river Haddas to Digsa or directly south to Tokondae and south. The third in between the two trails through KeihKor and then to Adiquala. All these trails cross Mereb Mlash, Tigray and deep to Amhara and Oromo. All trails throughout their trajectories were not safe. Merchants use to travel in groups or caravan because of shiftas or extortion by locals and beasts like lions and tigers. There are many excruciating stories of adults and children taken by lions at every night encampment especially on the escarpment down to GaHtelay on the way to massawa. Highlanders use to go to Massawa for trading purposes and didn’t stay long because of the heat.
            Regarding your question on how and why Habesha lost the knowledge of trade and travel in the seas, if at all it was sure they had, is a subject of a PhD thesis for a history major.

            On the Abyssinian/Ethiopian leader and their touch of red sea, yes HHI was the first to put toes in the that sea. The story of Yohannes’s horse quenching his thirst in the red sea is identical to teacher Ghebrekidan type of phantasmagoria of the last few days. TPLF, its media and its intelligentsia should cease their hammering on Eritreans using the exact tactics they were denouncing the ‘Amhara’ excersicing upon them when TPLF came to power and for years until the the war with Eritrea. They used Eritrea as a pedestal to hang on the Ethiopian throne for decades and now they don’t know how to unmount. Only respect can lead to a true reconciliation with Eritreans.

          • Aron

            Hi Abi,
            For the sake of _____, can you tell us little bit about the peace agreement b/n Abiy and Isu. To agree or disagree we need to know details or at least something about the agreement.

          • Abi

            Hello Aron
            For the sake of what?

          • Peace!

            Hi Ras Abi,

            I warned Hayat no to mess with the BACKDOOR years ago. She thought I was crazy. I miss her though:)

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Hello Peace
            Are you telling me that you are not crazy?
            If you remember Hayat is the first person who started the hate campaign against Abiy.
            I miss General ንትርክ.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            My worry is more on the conspiracy against our sovereignty by “Abiy and our despot” who are in control of the state machine of their respective countries, than the so called irrelevant Agazian group. ኣበይ አለኻ ዘይብልዎስ ኣብዚ አለኹ ይብል; ይብሉ ኣቦው ክምስሉ ከለው:: ናይ አግኣዝያን ጉዳይውን ካብኡ ኣይሓልፍን’ዩ:: Let us focus on the “states” conspiracy against our dreams and our sovereignty. If we foil the dangerous projects of the two states, the Agazian will fades away eventually. Count my words.

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            It is possible to say that eritrea finds herself between two opposite forces. On one side is the agazian movement – a tigrinya-speaking ethno-religious group, far-right supremacists, and an anti-islam movement, that is hell bent to use eritrea for its own purpose of tplf salvation and resurrection, and on the other side is the ethiopian factor, which is mainly of a regional economic-political nature.

            The first wants a pure tigrinya-speaking ethno-religious state that will include eritrea. On the contrary, the ethiopian side hopes for regional cooperation, which may benefit all and bring peace and prosperity.

            An agazian state that will treat muslims and other ethnic groups as second class citizens, reminiscent of the fate of the palestinian people in the state of israel, is a recipe for regional instability and wars. They will not desist from changing history and geography, indeed the least they would do, to make their dream come true.

            Ethiopia may not garner trust as a partner with eritrea for different reasons. Fine with that. Nevertheless, one should never trust those who say that eritrea is in danger of ethiopia and ethiopia only, while standing with tplf. Eritreans should be vigilant of the tiger that is trying to come through the window. Those who are going to open the window are within, which makes it very dangerous for eritrea.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            1) The Agazian, Tigray-Tigrinya or what ever movement, that mess around with Eritrea make up (region, religion, boarder, sovereignty), so far I don’t think it has made any gains. It’s rejected 100% by the Eritrean people.

            2) The Eritrean people shown their full support, to the call of Dr. Abiy for peaceful neighbourly existence with Ethiopia.

            There no way in hell that Eritreans will fall trap to the agazian / Tigray Tigrinya or what ever, and be victims of civil war and other play ground against their own people and inside their country.

            In other words, I personally do not care that I am Tigrinya speaking and Christian. I am Eritrean first, and another Eritrean no matter what his religious, language or ethnic comes first as my own brother.

            I can say this is universally 99% true among the Eritrean people.

            On the Abiy and his government, he needs to understand, Eritrea is not personal property of Isayas Afeworki and he needs to act and behave like a statesman and respect the ERITREAN people, and plays his role positively.

            The yiakle movement is in support of Eritrean people dignity and sovereignty. If anything, he needs to pressure/influence the IA government to the right direction (such as releasing prisoners, ending extended national service etc) so the people see some hope and remember his government deeds in times of need.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Without resolving the cause that took us to war in 1998, what kind of rapprochement is that?

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            You said “Ethiopia may not garner trust as a partner with Eritrea for different reasons “. Very true. My question is why should we trust Eritrea as a partner? Why do we see them any differently than we see South Sudan or Australia?
            They told us in the 30 years independence war that they don’t need to do anything with us. When are going to get it ?
            Look, the strongest Eritreans movement by far is the “Yiakil” movement. This movement came to life after the two leaders made a peace agreement. This movement is nothing but a negative reaction to the people agreement. We have to respect their concerns and stay in our borders. Why are we trying to make friends with the same people that left us 60 years ago ( yes it has been 60 years since ልባቸው ከሸፈተ) while we have so many people in our homeland who are afraid to live in the area that they lived forever?
            መጀመሪያ ከራስ ጋር መታረቅ, ቤታችን ውስጥ ሰላም ማንገስ ያስፈልጋል:: ቀጥሎ አስፈላጊ ሆኖ ከተገኘ ጎረቤት ጋብዞ ቡና መጠጣት ይቻላል:: ጎረቤቶችህን እቤትህ እንዲኖሩ ማስገደድ ግን ወንጀል ነው::
            ደግሞም መርሳት የሌለብን ክፉ ጎረቤት እራስ ማስቻሉን ነው:: ሌላው ታላቅ ቁምነገር በቤትህና በጎረቤትህ መሃል የማይበገር የግንብ አጥር ማቆም ነው:: አጥር ከሌለህ, ድንበርህ ካልታወቀ ውሻውም , ዶሮውም ከጎረቤቱ ሁሉ ያጋጭሃል::
            አብይም ሆነ ኢሳይያስ እንደ ክፉ ዶሮ እጎረቤት ሄደው ባይጭሩ መልካም ነው::

          • Selam Abi,

            Maybe you are right. Nevertheless, the million dollar question is: what would you do if your neighbor tells you that he doesn’t want anything to do with you whatsoever and yet keeps knocking at your door? How do you understand when eritreans elites tell you that they want their people to be as far away as possible and yet hundreds of thousands of eritreans continue to live in Ethiopia. That is what i fail to understand. It is easily said than done. Why don’t both people face the reality, and try to patch a working formula, instead of living in denial, simply because they happen to be so egoistic?
            I wish it was possible to make a clean separation like North and South Korea. That could have been a good solution. Unfortunately, even the iron curtain with the order to shoot to kill, could not do the job, let alone a wall.
            Your neighbor has already invited himself and he is sitting in your living room. We can’t deny it. What sort of relation are you going to have with such a neighbor, when he is both inside and outside at the same time. It is a weird situation.
            It is easy to tell Abiy and IA to keep away from each other. Nevertheless, as much as the people are concerned, the iron curtain was not effective, let alone now when things are loose. Therefore, it is not as simple as as the elites say. People fail to understand that whenever it is not possible to avoid something, neighborliness in this case, one must make the best out of it, instead of continuing to live in denial. Otherwise, for Christ’s sake, let the elites find a way to make a clean separation, which ever way that maybe, i don’t know myself. The elites must find a way to free the people. Somebody should unchain the people, because the people are tired and frustrated after so many decades of miserable life. it will free both people. Keeping the ethio-eritrean relations in a limbo is not to the advantage of anyone of them. It is a zero sum game for both.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            I don’t know if you miss it or you are just making an argument of “denial”.

            1) There is no such body as called “elite” that’s making a decision on behalf of the Eritrean people.

            2) Every Eritrea has the same opinion and feeling in what they wish for their country. Speaking for myself and 99% of like me, we wanted our country to be left alone and we want to live peacefully in our country.

            3) I don’t know if you don’t know this, but we have a dictator at home who is not allowing us to live free inside our country.

            4) The reason the most majority of our people in your country is, because they are not able to live in their country peacefully, because of the dictator we have at home.

            5) Please do no confuse, for people to go to your country seeking refugee, as if people are going there because of they have a choice. I don’t deny there are few people who go there because it provides them economic opportunity but that’s no different than any other person who would. For example, like Ethiopians in South Africa.

            6) There are a lot of Eritreans who are travelling to Ethiopia today to have family reunion because they are not able (all of them) to travel freely to Eritrea. Do you think they would chose to have these reunion in Ethiopia if they were free to do so in their own country? It’s the next best option they have at the moment.

            7) Having peaceful neighbor doesn’t mean that we have to surrender our sovereignty. Abiy said in many occasions, that he doesn’t seem to respect our sovereignty and all he cares is pleasing IA and that’s the reaction of the Eritrean people.

            Berhe

          • Selam BerheY .,

            Even if eritrean elites are far from power, it doesn’t mean that they do not have political opinion. There are so many political organizations hoping to come to power, and they try to influence the political situation one way or the other. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to be in a positive way as much as ethiopia is concerned. In my opinion, “We want our country to be left alone” should one day be explained by somebody what exactly it means.

            Having a dictator could be a factor but not the only factor. Sudan, for example, had a dictator, ethiopia too. Different people handle their dictators differently. That is up to the people. Some have succeeded to depose them, others chose different ways.

            Providing a refuge and security is not an easy matter. Many countries close their borders, evict refugees, etc. The problem is not that eritreans are living in ethiopia. If there are any people who could live freely in ethiopia, it is eritreans. But, seeing everything ethiopian with suspicion and trying to block any rapprochement as the eritrean elites do, does not go with the spirit of good neighborliness. It is not necessary to be in power. They can influence the attitude of the eritrean people with their political opinion in a negative or positive way.

            I don’t believe that pm Abiy has any reason not to respect the sovereignty of eritrea. He has not sent his army nor did he say in any world organization that he doesn’t recognize the independence of eritrea. If the president of eritrea has said something that he doesn’t mean, like pm Abiy will lead us, my younger brother, etc), i am sure he doesn’t mean it literally, at least as much as the first part is concerned. We can’t take for granted and misinterpret everything. What counts is action and not words that in some cases have not even been said.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            Let me tell you what “We want our country to be left alone” mean to me. Like I said, the most majority of Eritrea saw the rapprochement with Ethiopia in a positive manner, including me. And I still think it is still positive. As an Eritrean who wants to see justice and democracy in Eritrea, it has helped the fight for justice and exposed IA to the Eritreans who use to only think, it’s the weyane is the only problem.

            Ok I can let go what Abiy / IA said casually. But Dr. Abiy goes to press conference in Switzerland and when he speaks we don’t need boarders, we don’t need different army, we don’t need different embassy etc… It make me wonder what is that they are planning that we don’t know about. At the same time, he speaks of having naval forces, the road to Aseb we are renewing etc.

            All is good if there is transparency and as much as it’s to the benefit of Eritrea, it is also to Eritrea.

            On my opinion, I think he should push for the boarder demarcation as a priority to build confidence among the people and then slowly where things lead. Right now, we don’t know and like Abiy said…all these unconventional “new love between the two love birds” we don’t know where it will end.

            Yes I agree we should try to influence him. FYI, there has been three occasions, where Eritreans have tried to reach to Dr. Abiy by sending letter directly to him. So far he didn’t give any response.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            I heard in the news that a new trade agreement has been drafted by the ethiopian trade and industry minister, if i have understood well, and it has been sent to the two governments to be approved and implemented. It will regulate trade between the two countries and trade at the borders in a legal way, contrary to the way it happened at the beginning, months ago, which means that after all the rapprochement is not dead.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Without resolving the cause that took us to war in 1998, what kind of rapprochement is that? Talking about borders: if our borders are not demarcated, can we say we have legal borders, for that matter?

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            Maybe your question should be answered by the two governments and not by any other individual. As you very well know the border question was muted after the two leaders were brought together by the UAE and Saudi Arabia.
            You say demarcation first. Maybe the two leaders are saying trade cannot wait demarcation. I don’t know. At least you should have known that demarcation is in the hands of tplf much more than in the hands of the federal government, and tplf is not supporting it. I don’t think that the federal government is against demarcation. Ethiopia can’t create a war situation with tigray for the sake of demarcation . The two governments may not want to be blackmailed by tplf, and they may want to start trade, demarcation or no demarcation.
            Finally, i was talking about legal trade and not legal borders. Except at few areas most of the border has no problem. Why shouldn’t trade be carried out?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            I hope you will not call me picky. But your statement “trade at the borders in legal way” was the lead to my question, in case you are not sure about your statement.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            before 3A and PIA made peace, u and most of u here in awate used to tell us repeatedly ” the cause of the war was not mainly the border, tiny bademe was the symptom”,

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I consider myself a veteran at this website. I can give you most of the names of the people who argued for the boarder demarcation in the last 7 years. I never put your name on that list. If I remember correctly you always argued against it. You have said in several occasions when you were arguing with the likes of Vet Mahmud, Ghetub, Nitricc,Hope, Gus, dawit,Saba, and many more Awatista that the boarder demarcation was a coverup for the regime’s sympathizers.
            Now you are talking about boarder demarcation as if you have always been an advocate for it.
            If you kindly guide us to one of your articles or comments that you penned in the last five years where you argued for boarder demarcation before everything else is really appropriated.
            Thanks for your time.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abiy,

            Holding hostage the entire life of our people using the border issue and defending the legality of our border are two different things. I made clear my position on both of them. If you claim you are the veteran of this forum then (a) go to my archive at Awate.com including in the wayback machine archive of Awate by the way (b) go to Asmarino.com hidmowifuyat and figure it out yourself. You can’t accuse without doing your homework. There is no spoon feed at Awate when you can go to my files and do your homework.

          • Abi

            Hello Ato Amanuel
            I was expecting you to say the same.
            One thing I know is you have never been for boarder demarcation. You were an advocate of rapprochement between the two countries before the current peace agreement. Now you are against the rapprochement demanding boarder demarcation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abiy,

            No question that I was and am for both “demarcation” and “rapprochement”. How could one expect rapprochement and good neighboring without addressing as to why we need rapprochement to begin with. Is there rapprochement without addressing the cause of our conflict. In the Ethio-Eritrean conflict demarcation and rapprochement should go hand to hand. There is no one without the other to begin normalization between the two countries as part work of Politico-diplomacy.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            u r over 70 and still funny, the other day when mokie ask u why u support and glorify meles and tplf. ur answer was because of 3A and pia peace agreement is not good for eritrea, that is why i glorify and support tplf and meles, kind of answer.
            and now when u asked, before the peace between pia and 3A u have been saying repeatedly demarcation and border was a cover for pia and why r u for border demarcation now.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abiy,
            “Look, the strongest Eritreans movement by far is the “Yiakil” movement. This movement came to life after the two leaders made a peace agreement. This movement is nothing but a negative reaction to the peace agreement. ”

            I agree to most of what you said, but I would like to correct you here. At least I will try.

            The “yiAkil” movement is not in reaction to the peace agreement to the two leaders. No it is not.

            1) I think a lot of people were (including me) asking for Ethiopia to respect the boarder decision and accept the ruling without pre-condition. Abiy Ahmed come forward and said that. When he visited Eritrea, the reaction of Eritreans in Eritrea and around the world was positive.

            2) I think for the most part, his visit was successful from Abiy point of view, by our devil leader, started to provoke us with words that question our sovereignty.

            3) We saw his reaction when he visited Ethiopia and the words he he said. You are our leader, we are one people, etc.. That’s more than we burgeoned for. Even if we take it, as a joke and “niceties”.

            4) The Eritrean people waited, for him to say something to the Eritrean people and do something to reflect the new found peace.

            5) I think four months later, he had one interview and he told us “Because prisoners are release in Ethiopia, and because political freedom is respected, don’t expect the same is going to happen in Eritrea”. He told us, nothing will be changed in Eritrea and if anything, we will have to work 24 hours to restore, the time lost.

            6) The “yiAke'” movement started to say, enough to the Eritrean regime. And at the same time to say enough to Abiy and his government for thinking Eritrea is IA private property and he should respect the wishes of the Eritrean people. No boarder is demarcated and nothing happened on the human rights issue of the Eritrean people.

            I agree, our relationship should be based on normal / international accepted relationship and enough with this cake cutting ceremony..

            Abiy should use his influence to help Eritrea towards justice and normal country.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            It is okay to have different view on Meles. What it matters for us is our views on the evil of our home. And I am glad we have the same view on our despot. Because of that, we can start still call you our compatriot. You should not expect us to have the same view all the time on various issues that matters or do not matters to us and our people. Besides, human beings use different factors and elements on weighing issues, and I am sure we have different weighing scale on matters be it political, social, psychological, historical, cultural….etc. If we understand these truth, our debate will take the natural discourse with decency and respectfulness. Let us only debate on knowledge based rigorously on issue that matters our people and our nation. Having different views will only enrich the scope of our knowledge.

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Amanuel Hidrat. With all due respect, thing is, why, but why would any Eritrean on an Eritrean opposition website, be motivated to continually and unnecessarily pay attribute and defend MZ and the TPLF knowing fully that by doing so, they are touching very sensitive nerves and stoking anger and suspicion in the minds of many Eritreans? Is it not possible for you to simply refrain from making any comments regarding the TPLF? I have seen others here (i.e. Ismail AA) that are able to do so. Thanks.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mokie,

            Because our despot entangled us with the Ethiopian politics, and to disentangle our politics from them, we will be obliged to talk about the Ethiopian politics and its effect on us. It is unfortunate for the Eritrean politics to be entangled with them. Can’t you see this fact. You don’t fight with hate, you fight with truth to win politics.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel H
            The question remains why are you, an Eritrean justice seeker, proudly and loudly promoting TPLF and Meles relentlessly.
            I think this is what mokie wanted to know.
            The way you protect and defend tplf is beyond normal. It becomes your full time job. The party you are defending openly and proudly is currently jailing thousands of Tigrians in Tigray. Last I heard there are close to 45000 Tigrians in jail.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abiy,

            Welcome back. My argument is issue related, and not personal or organizational related. I support or oppose ideas. Your comment is not debatable. Thank you.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel H
            Thanks for your time and warm welcome.
            I will try to come back with a “ debatable” comment.
            Abi.

          • Peace!

            Hi Mokie,

            I wish the silence has helped them advance their cause rather the despot is now stronger than ever, and the organization they keep giving a pass with silence in times of injustice and creating divisions is now actively working against them.

            Peace!

          • mokie berhe

            Salam Peace! You are 100% correct in this regard. It has indeed been difficult over the past 20 years in watching certain so-called Eritrean opposition members taking a completely ‘hands-off’ attitude in terms of holding the TPLF accountable for ANY of its wrongdoings. I mean they wouldn’t (most still won’t) make any real criticism against the TPLF Come Hell or High water. This has led many to suspect that they have either been paid-off by the TPLF or that they are TPLF pretending to be Eritreans. In any case, it is clear, that they have played a divisive rather than unifying role in terms of the Eritrean opposition. If I were PIA, I would have anonymously hired them.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ዓዋተ

    ግሮሶ ተለጢፉ ኣብ ክዳነይ
    ሕጉስ ኣይነበርኩን ደስ ኣይበሎን ዓይነይ

    ርስሓት ከልግሶ ፋሕፊሐ ሓጺበዮ
    ኦሞ ‘ለ ብባራኪና ኣሊኸዮ
    ዓይኒ ጠሊሙ መዓስ ኣላሊየዮ

    ሙሽዶ ባራኪና ካልእ ነይልግሶ
    ንቃንዛ ኩርምቲ ብቪታምን ዲ ‘ዶ ፍውሶ?
    ኣብ ሳይበርያ ‘ዶ ‘ሎ ‘ዩ ዓሶ?
    እንታይ ዘይገብር ዝተሓዋወሶ
    ‘ታ ሓንቲ ፈውሲ-ምኩሓት ዕርዲ ብቕልጽም ተፍርሶ
    ይዝከረካዶ ውቃው-እዝ ጅግና ወዲ ተመልሶ?
    ዘይናቱ ዝደሊ ሓመድ ከተልሕሶ
    ናይ ቀደም ጅግንነት ከድሊ ‘ዩ ዳግማይ ክትመልሶ

    ሎምስ ድማ ባሕርና’ዩ ክብሉ?
    ከዘንግዑ ተረደኦም ክመስሉ
    ሰብ ከዳህልሉ
    ሳላሳ ዓመታት ኣስቂጦም ወደብና ከይበሉ
    እምበኣር ኣብ ድኽመትና ሕጂ ተላዓሉ
    ዝገርምዩ ቀደም ኣድጊ ናይ ዘመና ዒሉ
    ኣቦታቶም ዝቐሃምሉ
    ገና ዘይተማህርሉ
    ትንሳኤ ምውታን ክብሉ

    እህምምም …..
    እምበኣር ሕጂ ጀመሩ
    ዓሰብ [የኛ ነው] ክብሉ ፈከሩ
    ኣብ ጎዳጓዲ ኣቦታቶም ንሶም ክቕበሩ
    ናብ ነብያት-ጥፍኣት ተማህለሉ
    ምከረው ምከረው እምቢ ካል መከራ ይምከረው
    ድዮም ዝበሉ?

    ሃየ! ስድሪ ኣብ ኤርትራ የእጋሮም የስግሩ
    ኣብኣ ክትከሉ
    ከም በዓል ታምራት-ዒሉ
    ታሪኽ ዘይዝክሩ
    ኣብ ቪላታት ኮይኖም ዝፍክሩ
    ሓቀይ በዓል ናደው-እዝ ‘ዶ ይመስክሩ?

  • Abi

    Everybody Pay special attention!!!!!!
    Fanti Ghana is in the House!!!!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Abi,

      Why?

      KS,,

      • Abi

        Kokobe
        Are you asking why Fanti is here? Well, he is here to provide a badly needed moral ammunition to the misfiring and rapidly dwindling agazian firing squad.
        ለማንቃት ለማደራጀትና ለማስታጠቅ ከከፋም ለማፈግፈግ

        • Kokhob Selam

          Ha ha Abi

          Say “welcome” and continue your..

          Dear Fanti Ghana:-

          Welcome, You have been missed..

          KS,,

  • mokie berhe

    Salam all. The current actions of some Eritreans who are cooperating with the TPLF (who continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land) to overthrow the PIA/PFDJ regime in Eritrea, are horribly shameful, utterly disrespectful to lost Eritrean brothers/sisters of the 1998/2000 war, and are quite clearly tantamount to treason. Efforts & actions to overthrow the PIA/PFDJ regime should never involve collaboration with the TPLF. FULL STOP!

    • Peace!

      Hi Mokie,

      Can’t agree more! I think the point is to drag Eritreans into TPLF’s quagmire. Tamrat thanked DIA for keeping Eritrea and Eritreans weak and vulnerable. Why would any concerned Eritrean ignore that and jump to join TPLF (Tigray based Eri Opp) and fight against Amhara?

      Peace!

      • Abi

        Hello Peace
        Long time no talk
        መለስ: “የኤርትራን የጀርባ አጥንት እንዳያንሰራራ አርገን ሰብረነዋል!!!”
        The United Cheerleaders :” Yessssss!!”
        ፀሐይ ዮሃንስ: “ተባለ እንዴ?”
        ራስ አቢ :”እዋይ!”

        • Peace!

          Hi Ras Abi,

          Actually I like Hulum Zero Zero… life with Eritreans:) Welcome back and hey! the trip to Massawa is still on regardless.

          Happy New year.
          Peace!

          • Abi

            Peace
            Yes indeed! I’m getting ready.
            Massawa, here we come…

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ፒስ ምስ ሰብ ዓወተ
        Happy New Year!

        ኢሳያስ ምስ ‘ኣምሓሩ’
        ተቓዋሚ ምስ ተጋሩ
        እንታ እዩ ጉዱ ነገሩ
        ብኣፉ ኤርትራ ዘሚሩ
        ስግር መረብ ይኸድ ዘዊሩ
        ኢትዮጵያ ኮይኑ ንኢትዮጵያ ዝኸደ-ሓዉ ጠርጢሩ

        ጠቕሚ ሃገሩ ዘንጊዑ ረሲዑ ብሓጺሩ
        ለጊስዋ ገይርዋ መጣልዒት ኣምሓሩ ምስ ተጋሩ

        ኢሳያስ ጅሆ ሒዝዋ ሃገር ተገታቲሩ
        ተቓዋማይ ርኤኹሞ! ይብል ምስ ትግራይ ሓቢሩ

        ነዚ ርእዩ እንድኣሉ ታምራት-ነገራ ዝተዛረበ ደፊሩ
        ካብ ክልተ ዓመጽቲ ኤርትራ ንኢሱ ኣሞጒሱ ዘኪሩ
        ናይቲ ሓደ (መለስ-ዜናዊ) ዓላማ ኣብ ኢዱ ዓቲሩ
        ወደባት ንኢትዮጵያ እንተዘይኮይነን … ፈኪሩ
        ኤርትራ ብዘይ ፍቓድ ኢትዮጵያ የላን ይብል ኣንቃዕሪሩ
        ካብ ባዶ ተላዒሉ ኣይኮነን ጠንቚሉ ፋሕቲሩ

        ፍልልዮም
        መዋቲ ዝክኣሎ ሃገር ክቐትል እዩ ኣተግቢሩ
        ምዓር እናለኸየ ተግባሩ፡ ፈቲኑ ክቐብር ምስጢሩ
        ታምራት ግና ዝተወድአ መሲልዎ ድርጉሕ ኣቢልዋ ዘርዚሩ

        ናይ ኣምሓሩ ተቖጺራ ዝተረፈት ኢትዮጵያ
        ሓራ ሓገር ተቖጺራ ናይ TPLF ትግርያ
        ኮይነን
        ጭርጭር-ዓበደ ኢሳያስን ተቓዎምቱን መሕብኢ ገለርያ
        ተረሲዓ ምስክነይቲ ኤለትርያ

        ኤለትርያ ይብልዋ ነበሩ ኣቦይ ጻዕዱ
        ሹምባሺ ዝነበሩ ብጥልያን ኣብ ኣኽርያ ኣጓዱ

        • Peace!

          Hi Hailuwa,

          Good one, will reply …

          Peace!

  • sara

    selamat , happy new year…my compatriots….
    i was reading the comments on the link you gave about the guy talking about eritrea…. honestly i dont know exactly what he was saying because it is in Amharic but i gather from the comments he said something negative about eritrea sovereignty……and to my surprise
    knowing what is going between eritreans in politics….almost all all 99.9% are on the same wave length when it comes to eritrean sovereignty . they all condemned the guy for what he was saying.
    being an eritrean who did his small contribution on the last war, i am relived my small part is was not lost in vain. infact it is a good gift from this guy on a new year…. that i felt we are all one when it comes to eritrean sovereignty.
    happy new year.

    • Abi

      Sariti Shikorina
      I’m with you ሃፍተይ:: Anyone who infringe the Eritrean sovereignty will here from Ras Abi. You and I should campaign to build the wall. Of course, with a small window to exchange ሽሮና በርበሬ as you requested in our discussion in the past.
      Happy New Year.

      • sara

        selam ato abi,
        long time, how is our sis? you are spot on.. the wall is on…need finishing and
        doors and windows. remember i told you who would be paying.. ala mexicana,txs to your namesake.
        happy new year.

        • Abi

          Sariti Shikorina
          Your sis is doing fine. Thank you for asking.
          Yes, I remember that you told me Ethiopia should pay for the wall. Unfortunately that contract has expired with Meles.
          We like to reconsider the contract.

          • sara

            selam ato abi,
            the contract was signed long time ago…. implementation on process
            the thing is that part “wall” was on the appendices of contract they
            saw it 2 days after signing the contract. sure you remember those
            guys and the cry after.
            again long live yr name sake.

          • Abi

            Sariti Shikorina
            As they say “there are always exceptions to the law”.
            You see, missing the fine prints is not unusual in our part of the world. We even miss the “writing on the wall, as you know.

          • sara

            selam, ato abi,
            ok, let us see how things evolve in the coming months. i of-course hope the best for both our countries despite all the challenges confronting the region.

          • Abi

            Sariti Shikorina
            Amen .

  • Selamat,

    Here is a modern scenario of the passenger and a driver. Does the passenger view the driver as driving him to a destination without destination or as himself hitchhiking on the destined? In other words, Is there a desire for machine drivers by making a machine the driver. The delta if any is null. Clearly the trend is in the direction of machine consciousness which entails a lot of things.

    Here’s where the energy in excess gained. Where to then…

    GitSAtSE

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    I wish I could post the video but luckily Assenna has posted it in its latest edition. And I practically beg everyone particularly Peace [Abi Seb] to listen what this guy who is a staunch supporter of Abiy had to say about what is in store for Eritrea. Abi Seb, I say to you how Asmarinos used to put it, ዶሪምካ’ለኻ ሳሓበይ! ተባራበር!

    • Peace!

      Hi Paulosay,

      Supporting people for justice and accountability any time in any place should not be interpreted or taken as a support for anyone, and I have said many times if Aby is failing, let his own people deal with him. With that in mind, I haven’t watched the video you are referring to, but I wouldn’t also be surprised if false dreams or aggressive zerafs are in the making given how the Eritrea is weak and vulnerable, thanks to DIA, to the Oppositions for the immense and unforgivable failure, and of course thanks to TPLF for inserting divisions and made our Oppositions dysfunctional.

      It is crystal clear that our enemies are the seating dictator and his yes man kedemtis the rest are temporary symptoms that disappear with his departure. We should be discussing about our own illness and cures if we are going to defend and rescue the country otherwise whining will only make the problem worse and persistent. I met Ambassador Anderberhan recently- it is sadly disappointing to say the least. Nonetheless, why are we failing, what went wrong to the extent our country’s sovereign is in a precarious position is something worse time and energy to ponder.

      Peace!

      • Paulos

        Selam Abi Seb,

        You need to watch the video.

        • Peace!

          Hi Paulosay,

          He thanked DIA for keeping Eritrea and Eritreans weak and vulnerable the rest is hallucination.

          Peace!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dr Paulos,

      I just listened an interview by an Ethiopian journalist in a YouTube. The Journalist had said ““ኢሳያስ ንኤርትራ ስለ ዘዳኸማ ብዓል ውዕለትና’ዩ ኢልዎ”:: And continued his remark that Abiy should keep Eritrea as such in order to have an access to the sea. Yegermal. I can not post it here.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Paulo,

      I think this guy is using what he said to get attention and get money for his “gofund me” project to raise money to create media or something.

      He is learning from Trump campaign by creating this attention for sure would raise the blood level and rage of every Eritrean.

      The reason I say this:
      1) He wouldn’t reveal Isayas Afeworki intention of weakening Eritrea openly. This will work against his interests (i.e. Dr. Abiy)
      2) He is trying to make it sound as if Ethiopia has become a nuclear power and permanent member of the security council. Even then, that’s a real stretch.

      The close example to what he is suggesting, planning to happen for Eritrea is, similar to what Israel has done to Palestine or what England did to Northern Ireland.

      That would have been possible 50 years ago, but it’s too late. The world has moved on and there is no such precedent that allows a member of AU country or the UN was allowed to be erased from the map of the earth.

      Haile Dure prolific words come to mind when asked, why Eritrea needs to hold a referendum when it already have won Independence already he said “We want to make sure not only for our generations but for future generations to come, that in case a some crazy Ethiopian leaders comes to power that, Eritrea sovereignty is permanent sealed and done with legitimately and legally”. I am paraphrasing and now heard or read his exact words but the phrase attributed to him was “ርእሱ ዝሓመሞ፡ ዝተጸለለ መራሒ”.

      Eritrea referendum has been used a model for how countries achieve their Independence legally. For example, East Timor, S. Sudan. Other regions such as Quebec in Canada and Scotland during their referendum have cited Eritrea referendum as an example.

      So legitimacy of Eritrea from international point of view will not be changed no matter what someone dreams about.

      P.S. In addition to what Eritrea has done at the UN level, I think the future Eritrea government needs to make strategic plan so the threat of war will forever erased for good. Just like Ethiopia do not bother Djibouti and Somalia and Kenya, Eritrea need to have strategic partners and alliance.

      My suggestion would be for Eritrea to align itself with the common wealth countries and become a member. At the same time, Eritrea should be member of the Arab league. But equally important, Eritrea should continue to prepare itself via militarily, via intelligence and other security measures to defend itself and take necessary measure to protect itself and it’s territories.

      Berhe

      • Teodros Alem

        selam berhe
        That is ur(eri’s who said there is no peace between ethiopia and eritrea) version of ethiopians. he believe there is no peace between ethiopia and eritrea for completely different reasons from the eritreans that believe there is no peace between ethiopia and eritrea. I think he want eritrea state to become like, Zanzibar, puerto Rico, Palestine state.
        He and eri’s opposition, both believe there is no peace but completely different perspectives.
        I think he is ur match.

        • Selamat TA,

          The teachers assistant who are valueless as in priceless. They UC TAs , graduate unions recently went on a strike for more pay.

          Funny yet Eritrea seems to be so unique from those you have listed, nearly enigmatic to some minds? The better question to ask is will there be peace? Yes. Otherwise, why belabor the point?

          GitSAtSE

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Gitsatse
            u right but from what he said, i couldn’t come up with better example, Zanzibar.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Teodros,

          I know you are going to take me in circles ….how is that he is my match and that of Eritrean opposition. Our stand is clear, to live in peace and justice and others to let live in peace.

          Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Listen to him carefully, he said same thing for everlasting peace, justice and to live in peace, the recent peace is not peace.

      • Paulos

        Selam Berhino,

        The saddest thing that I saw when I was in Addis a month or so ago was Syrian women with little children including the young begging for food and money in the streets of Addis. I am talking about Syrians who were once the most respected, feared and dignified people in the Middle-East and now begging in Addis! It breaks ones heart! And that is called a national tragedy. That is the legacy of the Assad’s family.

        By the same token, Isaias Afwerki is shaming and humiliating us by the very people whom we prided ourselves for snatching independence of their conceit and arrogance. But now, look at us! Whether the guy is looking for popularity to promote a TV channel or not, one thing is clear: ከም ዝተደርበየ ጨርቂ ተናዒቕና ኢና! That is the harsh reality and that is precisely what the guy has projected including what every Ethiopian privately thinks about Eritrea and Eritreans.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Paulo,

          We should not despair. I am sure IA and Abiy Ahmed are behind this guy. IA to distract us, and test the waters of ERITREAN people resolve, and Abiy Ahmed to gain support of Ethiopians ahead of the May election.

          I think in 2020 instead of spending our time telling and retelling our misery, we should focus our attention in how to end our misery.

          You should look up the Dr. Dereje Zeleke interview he gave few months ago with regards to Aseb and sea access etc.

          He said, Zim blo qijit new.

          Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            🙂 1st u said he(tamerat) doing it to get attention and to get money for his “gofund me” project. and now u said, am sure pia and 3A behind him(tamerat). is it mean u changed ur mind? am confused.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            Sure. Why not. When I listen again, the way he praised Isayas, I felt he has something to do.

            All is possible, he wants money and attention. Listen to Dr. Dereje interview.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            So u saying , pia is behind “tamerat ” to praised isayas for destroying eritrea for 30 years ?
            who is dereje? is he a known person like “tamerat” or who? , i mean every body have opinions.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            He is a political science professor at AAU I think, Dr. Dereje Zeleke. I will forward you the link in the weekend.
            Or google it yourself.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            I just saw dereje, i didn’t listen what he has said, i just saw his face and he looks like female “fetlework(x abay tsehaye wife).
            So it is obvious and expected what he is gonna say.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            So he is professor and you make up your mind because what he looks like.

            Yezorebet.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Not “sele zorebegna” but track record and experience , i bet he is saying the usual tplf bla bla, just rhetoric.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            Yerasih Chinqlat yelehim. You don’t have your own mind to think, you just follow like animals.

            I don’t think he even likes TPLF, here the video I was talking about.

            https://youtu.be/qcmjPUo3FtY

            I was interested because he was asked about ERITREAN territory and resounding from legal and international rules point of view.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y,

            Thanks for the link.
            I do not understand why the guy is demonized so much for what he said. If i am not mistaken, he said that the tplf government has sealed the independence of eritrea and the fate of the port of assab by clearly declaring that eritrea is independent and assab belongs to eritrea. This is internationally accepted, as he said. I see nothing odd with that.

            The other point that has to do with eritrea is that of swapping ethiopian fertile land for the port of assab. His answer was that people who say so do not know what they are talking about, because such things do not happen in this age and times and in this geopolitical situation, which i think is true.

            IA acting as a regulating factor in the conflict between tplf and the federal government and the ethiopian incumbent government is a toy in the hands of IA is overstretched IMO. Nevertheless, i think that he came to this conclusion because of the internal instability due to internal and external actors, and the weakness of the government to act. The ethno-nationalistic euphoria and anti-ethiopianism and the widespread destabilization are important factors in his opinion, which i think is true.

            Now, if pfdj, tplf and oromo ultra-nationalists will gang together to fight ethiopian nationalistic forces, time will show.
            Why is he attacked so viciously?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            I agree what you write. I think from Eritrean nationalist point of view, I think his interview is used to support Eritrea case and to make sure those Ethiopians, like the Tamrat guy or who ever else of the same opinion that there is nothing anyone can do about it.

            So I don’t know who is demonizing and attacking him, at least not Eritrean nationalist.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,
            I have no idea what the Tamrat guy said. I couldn’t find the link. Could you help? Thanks.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            This is from fB I don’t know if it’s in you tube. I think his page is public. Scroll down to Jan 2 8:12 AM post.

            Tamerat Negera Feyisa

            https://m.facebook.com/TameratNegeraFeyisa/

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,
            Thank you a lot. You may not believe it. I am among the few who doesn’t have a social media account.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I have a face and several books. I don’t need a Facebook.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Are you kidding me? I never miss the play-offs. In my opinion, no sport can top American Football including Soccer. Football is just brilliant.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I’m enjoying it. No EPL this weekend.
            Where is Saay?
            Football is just great. My second favorite sport.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            Here is the link of the entire interview.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGLl-6lwoN8&t=1506s

          • Selam Paulos,

            The guy seems to be hallucinating instead of talking politics. Fortunately he is not in a position of power.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            Obviously, you and I do not agree on many issues but I am glad you don’t subscribe to what this guy had to say and I respect that. And of course, one more thing we have in common–I don’t have any social media account either.

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I have heard of this guy but this is the first time to listen to what he had to say. I say, he is full of BS to say the least where he is sh*tless scared of the Weyanes. And he says, the Weyanes have a million man army at their own disposal? This dude is hilarious! Really!

            Moreover, the pressure is not coming from Isaias to leverage Abiy or ODP but from the Saudis and the UAE where Isaias is the errand boy. Isaias is a political hooker for the highest bidder where it was Qatar a while back and now a different client.

            One thing I could agree with the Dereje guy is though, Isaias b*tched and invested on Birhanu Nega and other wannabe Fronts for over ten years during their stay in Eritrea, and he expects a fat political dividend when they share power with Abiy and it is true when he said, ODP including the Ezema party are on Isaias’ leash. The rest, he sounded Dergue to me when he sung: ተነሳ ተራመድ ክንድህን ኣበርታ ላገር ብልጽግና ለወገን መከታ—ሃ ሁ ኢትዮጵያ ትቅደም–ሃ ሁ ኢትዮጵያ ትቀደም!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I don’t know if we are talking about the same interview.

            As I said, my interest in his opinion is about ERITREAN sovereignty and integrity. He said from legal and academic point of view, there is no question about it and there is nothing anyone can do about. That’s what he is clearly spelled out for them (the Ethiopian people).

            I disagree, Derg and HSI did not understand the sacrifice the ERITREAN people made SBS why they were making them. He does.

            What he said about Ethiopian internal affairs, really not my concern and he can be what ever he wanted be, it’s for them to sort out.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            It certainly is your prerogative whether to be concerned solely about Eritrea or any other nation for that matter and I didn’t ask you to opine on Ethiopian matters either. I was merely commenting about his take in general for you provided the link.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I like you and I don’t mind letting you what I think.

            With regards to the interview, like I said I was interested what he said about Eritrean people
            1) their resolve in fighting for 30 years
            2) Eritrean people referendum (even those in wheelchair) had to cone out and voted, they showed us in front of the whole world who they really are,
            3) their unconditionally unity when it comes to their country
            4) and they will never compromise

            With regards to Eritrea, please tell me what he said you do not agree? How can you say, you sound Derg to me?

            But I do sense, you and I will add Amanuel H, if anyone comes out attacking TPLF (I have to make Peace laugh) like qerna zregarnet bEray you go crazy and throw out all common sense.

            That’s what I mean, it’s Ethiopian people business how they treat each other and I don’t make my opinion about a person based in his stand in his own country political view.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            It’s all good fratello.

            TPLF has been good to us. It is receiving our young and old where they have found a second home including opportunities to realize their potentials either in school or any other ventures. The least we can do is be grateful to TPLF and the kind hearted people of Tigrai as well.

            Remember, we humiliated and looked down to them when they came to us looking for opportunities when the King abandoned them for almost 50 years. We labeled them ቆማላት ዓጋመ when they were reduced to picking up the less respected jobs as in በለስ ምሻጥ and their women reduced to house works if not s*x workers.

            And they are not holding grudges against us, instead they are receiving us with open and warm heart when we keep praising the very people who bled us for over 30 years and are praised by Isaias and his lackeys like there is no tomorrow. We are morally bankrupted and that is really sad! I defend TPLF and the Tigrai people precisely for that reason and also that is the right thing to do.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            What you said can only aggravate the deliberately exaggerated bitterness. It is wrong especially when you say “… we humiliated them … for 50 years …when the kingdom abandoned them”, elevating the culpability. At that time Tigrayans were at key economic and political posts in Eritrea ready to defend themselves if it was a big issue, unless they were the perpetuators of such name-calling themselves.

            This idea is not yours, it is accepted as truth at face value by many people as originating and specifically used by Eritreans. It is an instrument of culpabilizing and degrading anyone who claims of being profoundly Eritrean, a killer of Eritrean pride, if you will. This idea has been propagated by Woyane and their followers since 1998 for the last 2 decades for the obvious reason.

            This name calling is not at all widespread in Eritrea and it IS NOT limited to Eritrea or Eritreans only. The inhabitants of Agame awraja live in an area naturally more sharply hilly terrain resulting in more economic difficulties resulting in them seasonally migrating to neighbouring areas. During Yohannes and Alula’s administration of Eritrea, many people from Tigray settled in Asmara and environ becoming Eritreans following the advent of Italians. Later, progressively more people from Agame were migrating to Eritrea for the obvious economic attraction. These people were name-called because of their condition by everybody. People in other Tigray regions call them as such too. Now for obvious inflammatory reason the culpability is being thrown at what are called Eritreans in order to reach Eritrea. I am not saying this to you, but you are reflecting this wrong impression. I know many, I hope you noticed too, in Asmara, first generation families from Tigray that abuse such name calling like no other neighbour does when it come to their maid or the one pushing the cartwheel.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I disagree. The King systematically impoverished Tigrai and gave his back on the people simply because they revolted against him. He was determined to punish the. Punish he did. The people were left with no option but to migrate either to Eritrea or Shewa.

            In Eritrea, typical of Frantz Fanon’s “Black Face White Mask”, they were looked down on where as recently as last year, Professor Legesse Asmerom echoed the same sentiment of his generation when he said, Tigreans can not be trusted as they are not trustworthy.

            Tigreans particularly those who lived in Asmara hid their identity to the extent of opting to speak Amharic so that their “funny” accent won’t give away their identity. More over, many families of Tigrean origin never wanted to be “found out” that they are Tigreans for the same reason. In fact some of them acted more Catholic than the Pope during the Badime war when they supported Isaias to camouflage their identity. Some of them do so to this day as they pretend to be hard core PFDJ supporters.

            What I agree with you is of course, there were wealthy Tigreans in Eritrea but again, their children never admitted that they were Tigreans lest they are shunned by their Eritrean friends. And that is a tragedy. Hiding one’s identity that is. In Isaias’ Eritrea, the worst insult one can throw at one is ዓጋመ and it started when they were invariably accused of poisoning water sources right after the Badme war broke out.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            Obviously we are not coming to agreement on this issue. Fair enough bringing on the irresponsible hate-mongering theatres and movies that came up in Asmara after 1998. You could also talk of the banda slanders that were thrown at Eritreans by certain Tigryans till recently and what TPLF and Tigray officials have been allegedly saying at that time.
            You went 50 years of HHI to reproach Eritreans for name calling. I attempted to tell you hinting at its historical upbringing and explain such name calling was not exclusive to Eritreans. It also was practiced by non-Agame-awraja tigryans. If some Tigryans living in Asmara were preferring speaking amharic, I don’t believe at all it was to run away from the epithet, but rather to be seen as belonging to the ruling ‘super’ race and language. Again the epithet was not exclusive to Eritreans. It was more practiced in Asmara whose original large population included a large chunk of Tigryans.
            I didn’t defend what HHI did to Tigryans in their province. What I said was what you said, i.e “we humiliated them when they came to us for opportunities…” was designed to elevate the culpability on Eritreans.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Hailat/Dottere/Prof Emma
            Just came back from an afternoon latte and we just had some discussion about this exact topic and we were all over.
            Then, one guy with his sleepy left eye started to ask one seemingly simple question. He said, yes, TPLF & Tigray people have done many good things to us, Eritreans, that he listed few points that we all agreed. However, do we know why we hate them? Give me concrete Negative points like what I have listed for their positive contributions. This is beside, siding with Sheabia during HadHid wegi’e and deporting Eritreans during the Badme war.
            Since our points seem እንጣጢዕ ንዘርእ ኣለና, I thought of asking SME Hailat.

            Full Disclosure: my assumingly valid point was that ወያነ was in sync with ኣምብሬዛ and they were coordinating on decimating Eritrea and its people. Then the guy with sleepy left eye ask me for any proof of that. I said well, ንታይ መስለካ? በቲ ዝገብርዎ ዝነበሩ ኩነታታ ከምስርዓት ዝሰማምዑ ዮም ዝመስሉ: ወዘተረፈ…እምበርዶ ‘ዝ [ላተ] ‘ሲ ከም ቀደሙ ‘ዩ በጃኻ?መሬት ዱሮ ጸልሚቱ ዶ ሓቀይ? መእሰሪ ዘይብሉ ዘረባ ደርብየ …ቸሪኒ ባ በላሕ ሰብ’ያ ኢለ ምርቅፍ።

            ስለዚ ሃይላት ከም ሆም ዎርክ ሂበካ ኣለኹ። ኣይተግደዓንን ግዲ ትኸውን!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Mehandsha,

            Believe me, I had logged out an hour ago not to come back on this subject unless necessary. Now I don’t want to ignore your question, but I am afraid not to completely satisfy your curiosity as I don’t want to get dragged into this discussion. However, I will answer you on one.
            You asked “do we know why we hate them?” I personally don’t hate them. I have no hate at all, but I don’t go along the apparently accepted notions like I mentioned earlier in my discussion with Paul. I have on several occasion in this forum touched this subject with sincerity. I have several Tigryan friends who know my stands and some I assume who read my comments and suspect who I am. I am saying this to just say one thing. On the 2nd week of December I received a text link to a facebookpage from Ethiopia with no message. I don’t use this medium and I don’t have any active contacts there since decades. But anyway I was intrigued and touched opened it and it was full of Weyaine (ወይን) newspaper or journal. I immediately closed fearing any attached malicious program there. I am not accusing anyone, certainly not in this medium as I no personal contacts with any. It could be from one of old pals out there who somehow got my number. FYI, I have decided not to answer to the number. I am not scared of anything, as I have said or done nothing nothing wrong at all, but I don’t want to drag discussions on this subject. My today’s comments was a slip of the finger:-) Moreover, I stand on everything I said on the subject.
            Best regards

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሃይላት!
            እንታይ ክንገብር ኢልካና ሓንጎል-ሚነዋለ ኣብ ልዕሊ ክሳደይ ተሸኪመ ከም ሰበይ ክዛወር ከሎኹ ሰብ የደናግር።
            ከምዚ ከማኻ: ቃላት ናይ እንግሊዝኛ ብካልቾ ‘ንዳሃረምናይ ስለዘይንኸይድ ‘ዩ ትጸገም።

            ጽልኢ ክብል ኣይነበረንን። ኣይትሓዘለይ። ስለምንታይ እምነት ወይ ድማ ጥርጣረ ኣለና ንምባል ‘ዩ።
            ደሓር ድማ ነታ ጓንጓ ሓንጎለይ ቁሩብ ዝጠቅም ንተቐምጥኩላ ብምባል’ዩ ምኽንያት መሕተትየይ።

            ደሓን: ሸለል ኢልና ንሕለፋ። ቢራ ዓቲረ ኣለኹሞ ቢራ ዕተር። ከም ተጋጨወ ጌርካ ድማ ውሰዶ!
            ካብ ሓውኻ ሚነዋለ [ለጋስ ተዄንካ ድማ upgrade ግበራ ‘ሞ መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ ትብለኒ]

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ምሃንድሻ፡

            ንስኻ ናይ ሓሳብ መሃንድስ ኢኻ። ኣሰኳኹዓ ቃላትካ ከምዘፈድሖ፡ በሊሕ፡ ሰከንድ ብዘይመልአ ጊዜ መናድቕ ቃላትን ሓሳባትን ዝነድቕ ነዳቓይ ኢኻ። ግና ነዳቓይ ምዃን’ሲ ይትረፍካ። እምብሬዛ ዲጋ ክትሰርሕ ንዓ ካይብለካ :-)።
            ኣብ ዝመጽእ ግጥሚ የራኽበና!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሃይላት:
            ብታሕጓስ ምስ ጫማይ ምሕዳረይ!

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ማሃንድሳይ,

            ቸሪኒ ምዃነይ’ዳኣ መን ነገረካ?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ዶተረ:
            ክላእ! በል ሕጂ ቀቢጸ ። በለኒ: ኩላ ቸሪኒ ዝኾነት በላሕ ‘ያ ማለት ‘ዩ። ዋይ ኣነ ግዲሽ! ቸሪኒ ሰኣን ምዃነይ ‘የ ደንቊረ?
            ውዑይ ጣይታ ኣምጺአ ነዛ ጸጋመይቲ ዓይነይ ከራጽና ‘የ።

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            That is so funny! Thanks for the laugh.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            You have articulated it very well as to how the Tigray people were treated badly by the Ethiopian regimes in particular and the society in general. The good story of “Meles and his TPLF” in their struggle is, making sure the people of Tigray to regain the “respect” they deserve with in Ethiopia and its surrounding. And they did. This is the biggest success of TPLF other than the economy and urbanizing their towns, opening universities, and hospitals. They have made a remarkable progress to their people to be respected.

          • Teodros Alem

            semam aman h
            agree with u probably for the first time, except tigrai have made remarkable progress only on tv and on fake news and they still hated and hunted down from every corner of ethiopia.
            as we speak right now, there is a big drought and locusts attack going on in most part of beloved tigrai. and comparing to other ethiopia small cities, except shera they are more shittier and shittiest

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Moderator
            Apologize, i will careful for sure.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            This is more or less a pre-election propaganda.
            You could speak of the different Ethiopian regimes, because tigray was in the power game of the Abyssinian kingdom, but, accusing the people of Ethiopia for discrimination against tigrayans, poor and mistreated as all of them have been, is simply unexpected, to say the least.
            Melese and tplf could not give any respect the ethiopian people is not ready to give to anybody, and that respect was always there as much as the people of Ethiopia are concerned. Now that both are not around (mz and tplf), do you think that respect is no more there? It was and will always be there.
            The only new thing was that mz and his group (tplf) enjoyed the respect you have in mind, by killing, incarcerations and humiliation of the people of erhiopia for that period of time when they were almighty in Ethiopia and the whole region. Your mz forced upon Ethiopians to call him ‘the great leader’. If that is the type of respect you are talking about, yes, he and his tplf succeeded for a short period of time. This has nothing to do with the people of tigray. Now, mz’s name is heard no where in Ethiopia and tplf is gathered in its small corner, just within a year, while Ethiopia and the whole of the horn was not enough for it in its heydays. Of course, this has nothing to do with the people of tigray.
            If you want to make the people of tigray feel indebted to tplf, and tell them that tplf is tigray and tigray is tplf, and they should stick with it especially now when elections are approaching, no need really for tigrayans will vote for tplf whether they like it or not for the known reasons.
            Will history be repeated in tigray with that famous had libi had hizbi and the culture of sacrifices for the sake of tplf? I don’t think that the people are naive to fall for this trick.
            The majority of the people of tigray remain as poor as other Ethiopians, even if tigrayans elites got richer as never before. The economy of tigray is in the hands of tplf officials. What Sibhat Nega said remains true, ‘effort is the property of tplf and not that of the people of tigray’, even today after the opposite is said to be, after they went back to mekele.
            Finally, on the contrary, what tplf succeeded is to isolate the people of tigray and control it, more than anything else. It is not a good idea to create animosity between the people of Ethiopia for the sake of political expediency.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Actually, there is no elements of propaganda on my comment. One has to compare the Tigray people before EPRDF and during EPRDF on building of “self-confidence” both on the political and economic fronts to make a solid argument to tell the the truth. The facts are on the side of my argument. Go and figure it out. There are monumental developments in terms of public consciousness and revitalization of their economy both industrially and infrastructurally. And of course all the credits goes to TPLF.

            My qualms on them as an Eritrean is their intervention on the Eritrea civil war during the liberation struggle and the expulsion of Eritreans during the border war. The Ethiopian people in general and the Tigray people in particular was better of during EPRDF than during HS, Derg, and the current chaotic leadership you have. This is fact whether you agree or disagree. Give it two to three decades, history will judge retrospectively by comparison.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            In normal circumstances, the future is supposed to be better than the past, unless disaster strikes in the form of war and destruction, and corruption eats at the heart of the economy. Ethiopian development is not going to stop with the tplf government. If you believe that only tplf could develop the country, i think that you are making a big mistake. Think of the aid-money it received from all directions during the three decades it ruled ethiopia, compared to the previous governments, and the debt it piled up during the same period.
            The billions of dollars tplf left behind in debt as the result of the so called developmental state in which it had both the cake and the spoon and it could eat as much as it liked, is a fact. A big amount of money was squandered in order to fill the pockets of tplf officials. This is going to continue being a big loss to the economy of the country, because it has the obligation to service the debt left behind by tplf.
            Even then the economy seems to have a relatively bright future as DFI is still flowing into the country and the government is doing its best to fight corruption by bringing laws to parliament for this purpose. Corruption can’t be allowed to continue as in the previous government.
            It is not possible to create an island out of tigray’s economy. It is tied to that of ethiopia’s. If you believe that tigray will prosper irrespective of ethiopia, again you will be making a mistake. Without the vast ethiopian market, tigray’s economy will not grow. It is not a major industrial country after all. It cannot cover even its budget.
            You give all the credit with no blame to tplf in everything that concerns ethiopia, especially tigray, and in everything it did, good or bad. I disagree with that, because i have many reasons to blame tplf, such as for its authoritarian rule, corruption and for violating the human rights of ethiopians, etc. during its rule. We stand on the opposite shores as much as tplf is concerned.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            On the National Developmental picture I gave full credit to EPRDF. Because the governing body was the EPRDF front-party. The same can be attributed to EPRDF the failure (be it corruption or security failures) on the national scope. It is you guys with no shame you are only attributing the failure to TPLF and exonerating the other parties of the front.

            Abiy was high in the upper level of EPRDF security apparatus and Demeke was head of METEC at one time in his tenure and was Dupty PM at another time of his tenure in the EPRDF Government. How could you exonerate these high officials from the accusations you are making unless you are not politicking. There is no pick and chose kind of accusations if you really need security of your people and a Government free of corruption.

            Second, I have critiqued EPRDF on not loosening their political grip and not making their election more open to their opponents. Like you I don’t fo selective critic for political reasons, as opposition party always do. As foreign observer I critique on the failures and appreciate on their success. The worst you are doing throwing all your critiques to one party from the front-party and by doing that you are helping to the political structure of you nation.

            Third, ruling parties in the states (kilil) have great role in the development of their states. TPLF as the governing body in Tigray kilil have shown significant development to their people. It is how you use the money appropriated from the central government and how you galvanize your people and above all bringing the know how of their people. Take an example the lady who won CNN award for her innovative small industry. So local government matters. Remember as the “central government” works and represents for the nation the “local government” works and represent for the people.

            Fourth, the debt does not matter as far as the money invested for development like in building institutions such as educational institutes, healthcare institutes, and creating industrial infrastructures for the workforce of your people. I believe EPRDF was simply doing that. Unfortunately, the current leadership brought the progress into a halt and created a chaos unable to control. Don’t worry about the debt, even the rich country US has a debt in trillions from China and other countries. I heard IMF and World bank recently gave Ethiopia loan in billions. Ethiopians should watch the corrupted leaders who are still in power not to misuse it.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            It is the same old explanation given by tplf and its supporters, eprdf was the government, and tplf was equal among equals, if there is a single Ethiopian who would believe that. Eprdf was an impotent body created by tplf so that it could serve as the Trojan horse to hide tplf. They ate the leftover when tplf feasted at the table. Tplf and its supporters are trying to turn the table without a shame by white washing its political and economic crimes, the worst in Ethiopian history. You people may as well say that tplf never existed, and hence no crime was committed. All was the work of the petty eprdf errand boys who nevertheless tried to mimick their master. Who will believe that?
            If I tell you that while tplf bathed in metec and other eprdf members simply washed their hands in that sinful company, you will say what is the difference, both got wet any way, in a big or small way. There is a difference.
            You have critiqued eprdf but never tplf, the main actor. That doesn’t make you a non partisan and independent observer. You are full in to supporting and exonerating tplf as everyone knows.
            I am sure you will not accept the fact that budgets were diverted from other regional states to tigray for different reasons. Even then poor tigrayans did not benefit. The high rising buildings, factories, etc belong to the political elites, and in addition the people of tigray are losing their lands under the predetory tplf regional government.
            You tell us not to worry about the debt to cover tplf’s crime, because others owe trillioms. Is it possible to put together the USA and Ethiopia to justify the theft. It is equivalent to comparing day and night. Ethiopia is one of the poorest countries that lives on hand outs where fat rodents who own millions and billions should not exist. It is a theft of the worst type, a theft from the poor. We are talking about the amount of money that created debt but not development, the amount of money stolen and hidden all over the world in secret bank accounts. That is why they run away and are hiding from the law.
            Finally, I for one do not want to see the type of your decisive leader, mz, because it is not difficult to be one by killing and tramping on human rights. I don’t want to see history repeated, in its ugly form for that matter.

          • Mez

            Good Day Paulos,

            You say “TPLF has been good to us”;

            very strange and interesting.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Mez,

            Yes you read me right. TPLF been good to us!

          • Mez

            His Paulos,

            1) I hope the ideology of includiveness will prevail in tplf and the wider political landscape of the region, (eritrea and ethiopia included).

            2) This way no one would be left out of engagement and proactive political process.

            3) The opposite of this would be another cycle of violence and destructive evolution,(a generation or more to come).

            Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            I don’t read or watch every junky youtube or comments like u idiots do, even here i don’t read most comments at all or more than 1 or 2 lines. i read only few of it.
            u gave me a hint about the guy and i saw his face. and i bet there is nothing new that he said which the other tplfs or fake oppositions didn’t say it before.

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            Here is an Eritrean Opposition in Tigrai responding to Tamrat The Fascist Guy [TTFG].

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MpZSrRl-VBQ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            TPLF and the people of Tigray are our natural strategic alliance against the current conspiracy of Issayas and Abiy. TPLF and Tigray people have a solid stand on the Eritrean sovereignty. I like his quote from the late PM Meles about Derg and the Amhara elites. He was spot on it. Actually, Issayas’s ambition and project has never been a secret. The problem is with us – the Eritreans, without going to details.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Alliance to whom? Last time I checked their generals and cadres were seating at the Agazian board meeting?

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            So what is your option? To hug the Amara elites in order to fight against TPLF and its base, the Tigray people? TPLF as an organization and the people of Tigray have solid stand on Eritrean independence and Eritrean sovereignty. You must seperate the position of an organization and the position of individual tigrians, Peace. Try to minimize your hate on them in order to read the current conspiracy and the threat against our sovereignty. There is no any organization other than the TPLF that could ally with us against the conspiracy of Abiy and the Amara Elites on our sovereignty. They were our ally in our struggle for independence and will remain to be our ally against the threat that is posed on our sovereignty.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            I don’t hate anyone I just disagree with their policies against my country, and I have given you many reasons many times. Please use other creative ways to deflect the subject. I asked you many times what has your ally TPLF contributed to your cause and to your country in the last 27 years??? And I just told you TPLF generals and cadres were spotted at Agazian board meetings so I see no reason why I should consider them as an ally. Period. Does that sound hate?

            Peace!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Peace!
            Welcome back! What do you think TPLF should do going forward to ease the tension between Eritrea and Tigray?

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            TPLF is vindicated! It stood its ground on Developmental State and Revolutionary Democracy and the alternative is proving a disaster right in front of us. More over, it stood its ground with respect to Eritrean independence where staunch adherents and cadres of Prosperity Party are not only posturing with abject contempt for the Eritrean people but in a broad day light are saying that Eritrean independence is tentative. May God bless TPLF! Really!

            Happy New Year and Welcome back!

          • Abi

            Paul
            Whoever is saying Eritrean sovereignty is tentative is definitely an enemy of the Ethiopian people.
            We don’t need another 30 years of disaster.
            Two people with two countries with limited or no contact is the best solution.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            ኣንተ ብልህ ሰው ነህ ምክንያቱም የልብህን ኣትናገርም ይልቁንስ እኛን ደስ የምያሰኘን ነው የምትነግረን፣ ምናለበት ለዛ ታምራት ልጅ ብትመክረው የልብህን ኣደባባይ ወጥተህ ኣይነገርም ብለህ። ካንተን ትንሽ መማር ኣለበተ ብየ ኣስባለሁ።

          • Abi

            Paul
            ታምራት ምን እንዳለ ስለማላውቅ አስተያየት ለመስጠት ይቸግረኛል:: የኔ አመለካከት ግን ሁለቱ ህዝቦች አንድ ላይም ሆነ በጉርብትና በሰላም ለመኖር እንደማይችሉ በተደጋጋሚ በኩራት ያረጋገጡት ሃቅ ስለሆነ ለወደፊቱ ባይደራረሱ መልካም ነው ባይ ነኝ::
            ቅዱስ ዻውሎስ ምሥክሬ ነው ከዚህ በላይ የልብን መናገር የሚቻል አይመስለኝም :: ደስ የሚያሰኝህንማ እየነገርኩ አልሸነግልህም:: ባይሆን እንዳላስከፋህ እሰጋለሁ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,

            “…..ለወደፊቱ ባይደራረሱ መልካም ነው ባይ ነኝ::”

            No, you are wrong on this..Just wait some time and yes this two people will live side by side respecting both history thinking for future generations years to come.. And don’t worry about those dictators as they will registered and recorded..

            He (ታምራት) claim red-sea should be governed by Ethiopia which is impossible..Just how that will happen?

            I am certain and sure the future has better for both…And yes this will be in 2020, as those two nations will be free on this year hopefully….

            KS,,

          • Berhe Y

            Hi KS,

            What this guy said, Eritrea should be like Norther Ireland, under total British control for any military or foreign relationship, or like Palestine under total control of Israel for any external relationship as well as access to the outside world. We should make Eritrea no more or less like Arsi and we can allow them to have their own parliament / administration and may be they can have their own Olympic team.

            I suspected this guy wanted some attention and raise some money (go fund me). Today he posted, I will return those of you who are asking me to give you back your money, and wait for this, but those who support me, please go fund me to create my own media. His target is 15 K and yesterday I check he was about 7k before his interview and I still think he is not that far off. Hodam.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Fanti,

            Good to see you back and welcome back. I like the question you posed for Peace.

          • Peace!

            Hi Fantish

            Thank you and Happy New Year.

            My brief reply would be TPLF should adopt a clear policy that respects Eritrean sovereignty, the interest of all Eritreans, and of course a policy that doesn’t allow interfering in Eritrea’s internal affairs before any approach. Cherry picking policies and flirting with fringe elements secretly haven’t produced any fruit other than the revival of DIA’s regime. In fact a stable, strong, and democratic Eritrea is a plus for Tigray and its people against any potential threat. In the absence of such policies and attitude, I doubt any approach would work.

            Peace!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam fanti g
            That is a good question.
            1,in my opinion, the problem between tplf and eplf(pfdj) is the ideology behind these two organizations, tplf is for tigrai nationalism and eplf/elf(pfdj) is for eritrea nationalism, these two nationalisms are in a direct conflict to each other, because 1/2 of eritrea population is tigragna speakers, so unless one of them defeated, or completely abandon thier ideology, i don’t see these two ideologies coexist togather for long, unless my enemy enemy is my friend kind of cooperation like they used to do before.
            2nd, both organizations based thier nationalism by hating and rejecting ethiopia and amhara, that is the only thing they have in common.
            3, right now as u know there is no ethiopian nationalism and with out ethiopian nationalism, i don’t think ethiopia will continue as a country for long, if ethiopian nationalism (any kind of nationalism different from the past) tplf and tigrai nationalism will have a big problem and conflict with ethiopian nationalism too.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear TA,

            “…. i don’t see these two ideologies coexist togather for long, unless my enemy enemy is my friend kind of cooperation like they used to do before.”

            Both fronts were working together..This is unfortunate to see them watching,,from Mekele, Asmara..for some who don’t experience the 79 and 80 history..struggle which we Ex-ELF fighters are not wondering ..That is the nature both of EPLF leaders and TPLF,,,

            KS,,

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kokhob selam
            i don’t think most low land eritrea based thier nationalism based on hating ethiopia, even though they used it for propaganda purposes.
            I think low land eritrea based thier nnationalism and ideology based on historical injustices and culture.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam TA.

            Yes, like Mengstu use to say same..ARABS– now you can see the story is different..why do you divide us to lo low land Eritrea and high land..This already expired thinking of HS and Mengstu .

            Just see as nation fighters who paid their life to free the nation called Eritrea was ..This nation hardly found with all Eritreans..

            Respect our freedom long struggle “i don’t think low land eritrea based their nationalism..” which is confirmed..through blood and referendum..

            KS,,

          • Teodros Alem

            selam kokhob s
            why can’t u di* with pain slowly?
            I said low land eritrea, i didn’t mention poltical parties. If u listen what i was saying carefully, u wouldn’t ask stup*d question like. why do u divide us question, it is tplf ideology and tigrai nationalism is the one dividing u, stup**.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear AT,

            I am sorry for this one if I understand you wrong…But again how this tpl will manage to divide us? See watch again my dear ,,do you think they will successes ?

            KS,,

          • Teodros Alem

            selam kokhob s
            Do u know what.nationalism means? Do u know.tigrai nationalism or eritrea nationalism means? than u will know what am talking about. The war between ethiopia and Somalia was because of the contradictions between ethiopia and Somalia nationalisms.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Brother Teodros,

            I gave-up thank you ,,Winner..That is sport type ..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            አጉራህ ጠናኝ መልካም ነገርን ለማብረድ
            ድሮም ያጠፋኸው ከአበደው ጋር ስታብድ

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Sucky, u gossiping like g, i like kokhob s, he is nice crazy t, even he disagree with me, he still upvote me.

          • Abi

            Hello TA
            Please accept my upvote.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam
            No. I don’t think u nice crazy, i think u sucky who steal form ur mom’s “selling” money.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            Again, pls seperate the position of “individuals” and the position of “an organization”. Second, from years of my observation, your hate is on personal thing and not based on national interest. At this point to secure the Eritrean sovereignty from the current threat, the Tigray people and their organization are the only people who could stood with us than any Ethiopian social groups. Go and figure it out.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            It seems that we are going back to square one once again. Amhara is the enemy. Of course, tplf has a solid stand on eritrea’s sovereignty, only that deep down it did not include eritrean kunama, saho and danakilia including assab. Hence, it remains mute on badme. One should be very cautious when one thinks that the dream of greater tigray is dead and gone. Advocates of agaziland carry more surprises in their bag, much more than one can imagine.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Peace,

            Listen to this YouTube, if it can help you the hate you have on Tigray people and their organization.

            https://youtu.be/0hpUwl41zS8

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Amuni,

            That link was important and thank you..

            KS

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            With all due respect I do not hate any human, and you do not need to settle for personal attacks to deflect the subject on hand. If you are a closet agazian, be a man and come out. I would respect you more.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Peace,

            Here you go, when you have nothing to argue you throw me to Agazian. How about if I call you “ኩርኩር አምሓራ”? Do you feel good? If you don’t respect me that is okay, but pls respect the forum at least the forumers to exchange on ideas. Second you don’t have to respond to my comment if it isn’t for debate.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            That was a response to your ugly diversion tactic. I warned you!

            ክሳብ ከም ነፍሒቶ ሕብርኻ እንዳቕየርካ ምድንጋር ትገድፎ ካብ ምምላስ ዓዲ ኣይንውዕልን ኢና, Mr. ንሱ ምሳይ ልቡ ምስ ደበሳይ:)

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Peace,

            No need warning after exposing the “ugly and evil” part of you.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Please stop contaminating the young generation with your old and dirty politics. You betrayed your follow Opposition members for $3000 TPLF handout, and now you are confusing Eritreans to shade their blood to save your beloved TPLF. Shame on you.

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Can’t agree more!

          • Abi

            Paul
            Where do I find the link about this “ fascist guy “?
            እባክህ ማጣቀሻውን ተቸረኝ::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            When I first heard the guy talking about what he actually said, I said this dude must be our own Abination, then I said, can’t be because our own Abi is more good looking and well built who can easily be mistaken for Daniel Tegengn.

          • Abi

            Paul,
            Thanks for precisely describing ልዑል ራሥ አቢ🙈
            You know your Abination is always on the watch when it comes to Eritrean sovereignty.
            እባክህ ማጣቀሻውን አቀብለኝ

        • Teodros Alem

          semam paulos
          1, pia was the leader when u “snatching independence”,
          2, most ethiopians believe eri will have hard time economically than and now they believe same thing, so there is no different attitude than and now.
          3, the topic is not about inferiority complex, it is about, if the recent peace between eri and ethio is a real peace or not.

  • said

    Greeting,
    Happy new year
    Trumpism in the Footsteps of Reganomics: the Culmination of the Neoliberal Oligarchs’ Grand Theft.

    Following on the steps of Reganomics, President Ronald Regan’s first revolution of the 1980s to hand America over to the triangle of the wild capitalists of Wall Street, the American Neoliberal Oligarchs and Corporate America; Trumpism, Donald Trump’s revolution of our times is ending the task of completely handing America over to the insatiably greedy American Neoliberal Oligarchs, Corporate America and to the American Nationalist Populists’ White Supremacists.
    After the Collapse of Capitalism in America in the 1929 Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt began a series of programs, public work projects, financial reforms, and regulations enacted in the United States between 1933 and 1936 that responded to needs for relief, reform, and recovery from the Great Depression in what became historically known as the “New Deal.”
    Riding shortly after on the wave of the Second World War (“WWII”), the retooling of the American Industrial Plants to cope with the requirements of the demands of the major WWII, America emerged as the Only intact Industrial Power of the world as all the other world Industrial powers of Germany, Britain, France and Japan laid in total destruction.
    Topped up with the Bretton Woods Accords of 1945, the US Dollar presided as the World’s Sole Reserve Currency that with the creation of the Supranational institutions of the IMF, the World Bank and The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (“GATT”), currently the WTO, the US’s dictated and became in control of the world’s economic and financial systems in what became known as the Free World as separate of the Planned Economies of the emerging communist countries of the Soviet Union. The creation of the UN in the same year of 1945 and with the US enjoying a veto power in the UN Security Council, the US influenced, to a large extent, the world politics rendered nearly complete with the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
    With the launching of the Marshal Plan to reconstruct the destroyed economies of Europe and Japan, the US economy sustained a long period of high economic growth and prosperity over the stretch of more than 30 years that combined with the reforms of Roosevelt’s New Deal, greatly benefited and touched the lives of the greatest majority of American households, foremost, the American working class and the American Middle Class who saw their income and standard of living constantly rising.
    America continued its economic prosperity in a straight streak – benefiting in the process all its citizens – until the introduction by President Ronald Trump, in the 1980s, of his new economic policies that became known as Reganomics. Reganomics sought to reduce the growth of government spending; reduce the federal income tax and capital gains tax; and reduce government regulations.
    Reganomics was built on the advocacy of University of Chicago Noble Laureate Milton Friedman’s monetary theories and the much-touted economic concept of “Supply-Side Economics; i.e. a modern version of Adam Smith’s “laissez-Faire,” marking the first revolution to hand America to the triangle of Wall Street, the American Neoliberal Oligarchs and Wild Capitalist Corporate America.
    Reganomics unleashed Wall Street mania of Mergers & Acquisitions coinciding with the dramatic fall of the equity market under the shock of waves of Energy Crises starting the middle of the 1970s. It is synonymous with the “Buying of Corporate America on the Cheap” given the cheapened corporate stocks and depressed equity values in the aftermath of the Energy Crisis and the Stagflation of the 1970s.
    Wall Street Investment bank Drexel Burnham Lambert in tandem with its main operator Mike Milken invented what became known as the “Junk Bond Industry” in the 1980s, as the instruments to acquire American Corporate Jewels on the Cheap (i.e. Snatching Real hard assets at the cheap by the issuing of unsecured high risk debt instruments).
    The flourishing of the Junk Bond Industry permitted once totally unknown investors and business people to acquire major American corporations as in the example of Predators Ronald Perelman, a virtually unknown investor, snapping the jewel of the Cosmetics Industry Revlon Corporation for little equity as same became true of a little-known New York businessman Carl Icahn the acquiring .

    TWA, a major world airline then, for very little invested capital.

    Wall Street marveled in the churning out of a wide host of new financial instruments, rather new gimmicks, all under the rubrick of “Financial Engineering” that tended to securitize debt instruments living risk out to original issuers. Combined with Milton Friedman’s “Supply-Side Economics” rendering Wall Street a Financial Casino moving the gravity center from the Real Economy, so-called “Main Street,” to “Wall Street,” as the latter originally meant to only cater for, service and meet the needs of America’s Real Economy.

    Reganomics caused the stagnation and ultimate decline of the income and standard of living of the American working class and the American Middle Class that only became increasingly worse with the explosion financial speculations in Wall Street, as the setting in of the CTI revolution and Silicon Valley’s opting starting to “Outsourcing” components of their processes in what’s becoming commonly known as “Supply Chain” to foreign subcontractors after objective of the maximization of corporate profits, America’s manufacturing industry lost its competitive edge, going on a secular slide that only further worsened the plight of the American Working Class and the American Middle Class.
    However, Reganomics of the 1980s is Now Culminating in a new, aggressive and possibly unsustainable final phase, i.e. Trumpism – coined after the economic policies of the current US President Donald Trump. President Donald Trump followed on the steps of the implementation of Reganomics by enacting policies of huge Tax-cuts; the wholesale dismantling of decades painstakingly pieced together regulations & the Reviving of the monopoly of the American “Military-Industrial Complex.”
    The American Rich and Corporate America are currently living the Bonanza of the Grand Theft to the disadvantage of the increasing marginalization of the American Working Class and the American Middle Class.
    As it all began in earnest with the Face of American Economy profoundly transforming from the hard earned “Real Economy,” or so-called “Main street” economy, to the Fiat Economy, the Casino Economy of “Wall Street” of the gimmicks of Financial Engineering in the cloak of Reganomics, the FED, under Trumpism, currently forward from President Obama’s years, is joining the

    financial speculative spree ever since the recovery from the 2008 Financial Meltdown. The FED is becoming indistinguishable of Wall Street acting as the culprit opening wide-ajar the Spigots of money printing in what’s termed euphemistically, “Quantitative Easing.”
    American Sham Economy of the Corporate Grand Theft is currently reaching its Zenith under Donald Trump with the Dollar continuing to unjustifiably play the pivotal role of the world sole-reserve currency without real assets to back it. The American neoliberal oligarchs and corporate Grand Theft, concurrently, carried on snatching World’s Real Assets and World Real Economies for a fiat US currency.

    America with the latest Trumpism’s economic scheme “Giving it All to the Rich and Corporate America,” is finally placing the last nail in the knell of an American Productive Economy to a long been in making a floating on money printing, near fake currency US Dollar Economy.
    No better example of All this than Donald Trump, the Neoliberal Oligarch’s Trojan Horse’s Scheme of Huge Tax Cuts; the outright dismantling of all Regulations and the Strong Revival of the “Military Industrial Complex.” All done under the rubric of incentivizing “Corporate Investments” as the main pillar to Stimulating American Economic Growth.
    Simultaneously, it is professed by the proponents of Trumpism that the enacting of tax cuts to stimulate economic growth would end up contributing back to the State’s Budget, recuperating taxes in generated new revenues subsequent to the stimulation of significant economic growth.
    Proponents of the stimulation of economic growth hypothesize, on the basis of a standard theory, that through huge tax cuts the stimulation of economic growth would cause the US economy to more than double growth from a paltry 2% to as high of 4.5%, in a few years. The promoters of the tax-cut theses postulated that with a huge jump in economic growth the widening gap result of endemic Government Budget Deficit and the Soaring US National Debt would only narrow moving forward.
    However, nearly three years into Trumpism, none of the lofty promises of an economic bonanza in the offing have materialized as the economy continues to grow at the same old rate of 2% as the country’s infrastructure keeps falling and the Manufacturing sector continues to lose its competitiveness. However, what remains most ironic, the Neoliberal Oligarchs and Corporate America after they reaped their whirlwind wend gains, they failed to keep their part of the deal.

    While the American consumers carried the burden of spending out of a household historically low-income and high indebtedness to the hilt, as consumer spending becoming the sole driver of the American economy, “The American Rich & Corporate America Took the Money and Ran;” they are failing to meet their obligations to invest the huge bundles of the whirlwind giveaway money that Donald Trump and his Goldman Sachs Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin gave them as instead Corporate America put all the money into the Stock Market repurchasing their own companies’ Stock leaving the economy in the doldrum of mediocre growth as no money has gone to rehabilitate an Infrastructure in decadence or invested in new productive businesses.

    Corporate America failed to direct huge profits earned from the huge tax cuts and the dismantling of regulations to direly needed sectors and the infrastructure, nor, by consequence, help alleviate the Government historically unprecedented mounting budget deficit and the country’s soaring national debt.
    The Corporate Grand Theft did not end with the Profits from huge tax cuts being plowed back into the Stock Markets away from investing in the Real Economy; however, the FED, joining in the hoopla of the Casino of Wall Street, went into a frenzied spree on a printing money scheme under the rubric of “Quantitative Easing” that is providing tons of cheap near interest-free funds to Corporate America that is ballooning Corporate Debt on what’s termed, “Leveraged Loans” crisis, the next Subprime Crisis of the 2008 Financial Meltdown awaiting the US.
    A Sham American Economy; a New Advanced Version of a Reganomics Supply- Side Economics scheme going awry that is only widening the inequality gap of the Haves and Have Nots in America that is increasing the division and the sharp polarization of an American society that is only rendered increasingly disoriented by a frenzied drive to impose the agenda of a American White Supremacism.

  • Abi

    Hello All Awate Addicts
    Please join me in nominating SGJ Awatista of the year for consistently producing YouTube videos of various topics.
    Happy New Year

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selam Abisha,
      Welcome back! Almost missed you.

      • Abi

        Fantastic!!
        Fanti who?
        እርስዎ ሲገኙ እኮ ነው ሌሎችን የሚቀበሉት::
        በሌሉበት ድምፅ መስጠት እንጂ( up vote) ሳይገኙ እንግዳ መቀበልን ከወዴት አመጡት?
        እንኳን ደህና መጡልን ተናፋቂው ፋንቲ መልቲ!!

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam,
          .., Literally walking into a plane. Will join in later in the evening/night.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Walking to fly!
            Safe travels.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all and happy 2020,

    I have been diligently reading the discussion on capitalism; it reminded me of the endless debate we had at the former HSI University campus in late 60s and early 70s during heyday of the national liberation struggle politics. From what I read so far, the focus is more on basics and theory. I think Dr. Paulos has noted what is lacking in the discussion. Though he randomly took up the essence of awareness that generates accumulation of wealth, he appeared to be keen that discussing capitalism without taking account of politics, and thereby the role of power and who possesses it, would not complete the picture. Thus, it is fine that he volunteered to come up with more on the subject, and let us hope he wil make up space for the political aspect of the matter.

    • Paulos

      Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

      Happy New Year!

      The debate on Capitalism including its vice and upside is something of an ubiquitous issue where one can never get tired of and as you have aptly put, it is as well a drawback for the young and fertile mind like yours when you debated on it in the cafeterias of your alumni campuses.

      To highlight some, will focus more on its theoretical foundation when in the late 1940s, high-priests in the academia Milton Friedman and Carl Popper among them gathered in a resort Swiss Spa known as Mont Perelin [The group were named The Mont Perelin Society afterwards] and set forth the global movement which was later to be known as “Neo-Liberalism.” Moreover, its first experimentation in Chile in the early 70s when the corporate elites in cahoots with the US ousted the democratically elected Left leaning Salvador Allende and of course, that was before Thatcher and Reagan came into the picture.

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Dr. Paulos,

        Indeed, the tragedy that fell upon Chile was kind of watershed that ushered in recession of capitalism with human face and aggressive (violent) ascent of neoliberalism. The post WWII welfare state system was nothing more than an expression of capitalism with human face anchored on social democracy that took center stage between two extremes – communism and liberal capitalism. The violent removal of Allende was a call that articulated how power equipped by technology would set in motion domination of neoliberal economics symbolized under Reagan and Thatcher. The systematic ruining of the labor movement such the coal miners’ union ( A. Scargill) in Britain was the other face of what happened in Chile.

        With many thanks for letting me refresh my college campus life memories .

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ዓዋተ

    መቸም ዘየሕምም ንድዩ ዘሕምመኒ
    ካፒታሊዝም ሰበብ ዶ ልኩምኒ
    ሊዝም ክሰምዕ ከለኹ እዝነይ ይኹርኮሐኒ
    ንምንታይሲ ኮሚኒዝም ስለዘዕበየኒ

    ባኒ ክረክብ ብኩፖን
    ንጉሆ ተሰሪዐ ኣብ ድኳን
    ሓንሳብ ሓንሳብሲ ዳርጋ ምልማን
    ተዘይተሰሪዕካ የጸግም ንምእማን
    Come on
    It is not easy to be human
    ኣብ ኮሚኒዝም ምእማን

    ካፒታሊዝም ዝብልዎ ምስ ሰማዕኩ
    እስከ ‘ዚ ተሓሸ ክፍትኖ በልኩ
    ምስ ፍተንክዎ
    ካብ ኮሚንዝም ዝብልዎ
    ዝሓሽ ኮይኑ ረኸብክዎ

    ኣመሪካን ድሪም ክብሉ ሓበሩኒ
    ጥር-ኢለ ሃፍታም ዝኸውን መሰለኒ
    ክዓጽዶ ጀመርኩ ንበዓል ግሪሲኒ
    ኣየወ ጫሕ በለት ስኒ
    ሓጎስ-ተስፋ-ቅሳነት ነብሰይ ሰፈነኒ
    ክግምጥሎ ጀመርኩ መስተ ቀይሕ ወይኒ
    ማርያም ኣደይ ትኾርምየኒ

    ግን
    ‘ታ ኣመሪካን ድሪም ዝብልዋ
    ክረኽባ ኣይካኣልኩን ኣበይ ከምዝሓብእዋ
    ‘ንተርኺብኩማስ ናባይ ‘ባ በልዋ
    ስጋዕ ሽዑ ተዓዲምኩም ዱቃ-ስዋ
    ርሑስ ሓድሽ ዓመት ኣስተማቕርዋ!

    • Paulos

      ሰላም ማሃንድሳይ,

      This is so creative and would have won a Trophy if it was an Olympic event. Really!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Thank you and Happy New Year, Dottere!
        With your depth and breadth of your knowledge, IBM’s Watson would have been nervous if you had joined Jeopardy! You have left Ken Jennings in the dust! I would highly recommend you to try that game.

        • Paulos

          ሰላም ማሃንድሳይ,

          You are too kind. Jeopardy is way out of my league but thanks for the vote of confidence. Maybe we all can try out in Tigrinya in post-PFDJ Eritrea where Aya Saleh would be the host.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ዶተረ:
            ናይ ብሓቂ ንሳልሕ ትኸውን ስራሕ! ከም መወሰኽታ ድማ [ተማሒርኩም] ትብል reality show ተኸፊቱ ዝሓሸ መስለኒ።

          • Saleh Johar

            ኣንታ ባሽ ሙሃንድስ!
            ስራሕ ኣይትወስኸለይ በጃኻ::: ናይ ተማሒርኩም ኣለኹም ኮፒ ራይት ድማ:: በቃ ነዓኻ ሂብያ’ለኹ:: ገላግለኒ 🙂

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Saleh:
            Your ተማሒርኩም patent won’t expire till 2039. I have heard the Trump business legal team are looking into it if it is covered by “You Are Fired” trademark or not.

  • Paulos

    Selam Semerile and Awatistas,

    As you know, Capitalism is a value-system so much so that it is in all of us including the Have-Nots, the Haves and the Have-Yachts. It may seem contradictory but if we go back to the basics, it might make more sense.

    Essentially, Capitalism is a system driven by profit where any person including any one of us in this Forum who owns a house is a Capitalist in his or her own right. The person has invested on the house or real-estate where the house will generate a profit in the long run where real estates more often than not appreciate in prices. I would assume most of us have savings account or some money put aside for retirement age where the savings generate money in interest and that too as well makes us capitalists in our own right. This is precisely because, a fundamental law is put in place–the right to own property. And that is at the heart of Capitalism. If that single and important law is applied to any citizen, why are some people super wealthy and some people unfortunately are getting by or struggling? In my opinion, it is not the “greed” of Capitalists that is dragging people behind but lack of understanding on how the financial system works instead.

    There was a survey that was done in 2007 for instance where 30% of Americans didn’t know how much interest rate was incurred on their credit cards. This was supposed to be a rudimentary knowledge of finance much less to know about bonds, stocks and other securities where the self made financially savvy make millions of dollars of.

    Consider the following: When the Conquistadors stole tonnes of gold and silver from the Incas and Aztec in the 16th Century and shipped it back to Spain, they used the gold and silver for expedition and war efforts particularly to subdue the Low-Countries present day Netherlands as they refused to be subjugated by the Bourbon Dynasty which were Catholics and the former were Protestants. Certainly, lack of understanding about the inflationary risks of the hordes of gold and silver made the war effort a bust where as the City-States in the Lower-Countries strategically pulled finances through bond loans when every citizen bought bonds which the collective effort ultimately not only defeated Spain but created a collective consciousness where the City-States evolved into a Nation-State—Netherlands.

    That kind of deeper understanding of finances turned the Dutch into a global power in the 17th Century and reigned over the oceans as well. What is even interesting is that, when the Catholic King James II was ousted in Great Britain by the Parliamentarians during the Glorious Revolution in 1688, he was replaced by the Dutch King William of Orange and he brought with him the knowledge of bond loans and benefited Britons including the common people as they invested in bonds every time Great Britain engaged in war where the war was financed by the money pulled through public generated bonds. Of interest, during the Napoleonic war which lasted for almost 15 years, Napoleon depended on heavy taxes on the conquered people and the collected booty in a bid to finance the war against Great Britain, Great Britain on the other hand pulled money through selling bonds which ultimately defeated Napoleon in Waterloo in 1815 and the victory not only put GB on the pedestal when it became the most powerful nation on Earth but it pulled many of her citizens out of poverty because of their investment in bonds not to mention the wealthy Nathan Rothschild family who made millions of dollars because they gambled before the war when they rightly assumed that the war would end in favour of GB. That is to say that, it is the deeper knowledge of the financial system that makes people wealthy not because of the greed of Capitalists.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Emma and Paulos,
      Capitalism can it be accused of preventing people from making money. It’s rather the wealth is not fairly distributed before the race begins. Therefore, from the outset the opportunity is already allocated.

      As a young TrazNeteq, I remember out Philipos history teacher making the pro-capitalism argument. We had a certain Hailu, a man from Welqait and a leftist to the core doing his national service obligation from HS university. He had made leftists of manny of us at the school. I copied his argument and challenged the 11th grade Philippine teacher: let everyone start with a clean slate from the same point and see who wins in the capitalism race. Mind you, I had a bicycle which made me a petty bourgeoisie 🙂 that teacher never liked my guts. After so many years, I think it is the best argument I ever made. God bless Hailu who opened our eyes to that timeless warped competition .

      • Paulos

        Selam Ayay,

        You owned a bike when you were a student? That sure makes you a done deal bourgeoisie not a petit one!

        My argument is that, we all have a fair share to make it “big” if I could use the prosaic term here particularly in the US. Most of the super wealthy are self made who clearly understood how the financial system works. Moreover, they all started from rags so to speak. But of course, Neo-Liberalism is an exception which was designed to benefit the few when the State is rendered subservient to those who rule the finances [Will try to comment on the genesis of Neo-Liberalism at length this weekend, God willing that is.]

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos & Saleh,

          Dr Paulos, you have said: “Neo-Liberalism is an exception which was designed to benefit the few when the State is rendered subservient to those who rule the finances.” Then how could one could support knowing capitalism is designed to benefit the few, Doctore?

          Abu Salah: Even if all society start from the same opportunities, with the nature of Capitalism (as the name signifies it), only few will own the wealth of society – no matter what. The solution is, only fair distribution on the wealth of the nations. Otherwise, the conflict between the haves and have not will be insurmountable crises.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Well, I said, Neo-Liberalism not Capitalism for they are two different aspects of the interplay between politics and economics. I will try to comment on the former in a broader historical context so that the debate could hopefully be animated so to speak.

            Happy New Year!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            It is okay as a philosophy, they are “ክልተ ገጽ ናይ ሓደ ቅርሺ እዮም”:: So my question is still valid,

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            Classical Liberalism that existed for centuries up to the 1970s had a humane face. It believed on social justice and the welfare state.
            Post WWII Liberal economic policy and Neo Liberalism that was introduced by Reagan and Thatcher in the 1980s are not exactly the same. The first created jobs while the second killed jobs for the benefit of Capitalists. Liberalism gave workers not only jobs but also paid taxes so that schools, hospitals, etc were built with tax money and the welfare state was created, so that society benefited, while Neo Liberalism was given the right to evade taxes so that the state is encapacitated and served the interest of those who control the money, worker’s security was undermined and the state no more is the guarantor of their safely, as social security is gradually destroyed, because Neo liberalism believes in individualism, or in social Darwinism i.e. survival of the fittest, and everything with the aim to benefit oneself is allowed. OnWhil liberal economic plan created the middle class, on the contrary neo liberalism destroyed the middle class and the work force and with the progression of technology human manual and even mental labor are going to be redundant, resources are not shared, and social order will be in danger, etc. Therefore neo liberalism and not classical liberal economic plan as it existed Post WWII up to the 1970s is the culprit for what is happening today in the world and would happen in the future, unless it is controlled one way or the other, for example by taxing the rich properly and by forcing them to bring back the 40 or so trillion dollars in hiding in different offshore companies.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Unless society made structural change that allows redistribution of wealth, any cosmetic effort will only worsen the relationship between the haves and have not. However, the difference between the classical liberalism and neo-liberalism is not that much different in their essence in terms of accumulating wealth. They are only different in appearance and how they project their images. For example globalization and the merger of big international manufacturing companies in the era of neoliberalism accelerated the accumulation of wealth of the few.

            Happy New Year

          • Selam Amanuel H,

            It is said that from the coffee one drinks, for example, at Starbucks, the amount of money that goes to the Ethiopian coffee farmer and other farmers in Latin America is just 1p, if the coffee costs 2.5 dollars a cup. In the same way an Ethiopian woman who works in one of the industrial parks and earns only 26 dollars a month has the same fate, as the product is sold in the West.
            What happens is that the product of the labor of these poor Ethiopians is added to the gdp of Western countries. The same happens to farmers and workers in SEA and elsewhere.
            Neoliberalism and Globalization are ruining third world countries and they are forcing them to stagnate in backwardness and poverty. Unfortunately, it will get worse before it ever gets any better.
            HAPPY NEW YEAR!

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes Emma,
            I just didn’t like the term “wealth distribution”, thus I like and used the race metaphor instead. Do you think social justice is possible without the redistribution of wealth ?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saleh,

            Justice seekers should demand justice in all its aspects, be it political, economic, or social. One can not be called a “justice seeker” if he engage on pick and chose for certain aspect of justice only. I strongly believe that there isn’t economic justice without fair distribution of wealth. If there is an economic justice without fair distribution, I am open to listen. However, I am cognizant that political and social justice are prerequisite to economic justice.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            It seems to me that you have made up your mind about capitalism and that you don’t think it’s fair system and will not work for everyone.

            I think with your argument, you are not giving concrete evidence to back your argument and you are only using the US to justify your believe.

            What do you think the capitalist system they have in most Western Europe like Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany etc where there is free enterprises (capitalism) but at the sane time a great social network where they high earners are taxed to provide the necessary social saftey net for the rest of the society as in providing, free education, health care, some housing, and decent job where their children, if they have the capacity (as in education, business etc) they are able to enjoy whatever success.

            Second point is, what do think a fair system that benefits the most of its society.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Berhe,

            It is not a matter of giving up. It is matter of social development. Just think for a moment this: as the Feudal system dies and leave open the stage to the capitalist system to take over, with all the factors that dictates for the transformation, we are also watching many factors exerting pressure to the capitalist system to transform to the next stage of social development. One of the main pressure factors on the watch is, the advancement of technology that displaces the labor forces. Technology is not only displacing the blue collar workers but also the white collar workers. We are observing all the signs heading to a mass unemployment. If you let your mind to think beyond three to five decades trajectory, and with the current speed of the technological advancement, it is easy to speculate the transformation of capitalist system to the next stage of development. We can’t stop technology and it’s negative consequence in displacing labor forces. Once it happened, the current “relations of production” will be negated to different social and economic relations. It is a matter of time. So Berhino, watch carefully to the pressure factors on the socioeconomic relationships.

            Second, the countries you mentioned (the welfare countries) it is only cosmetic changes. Look how the current migration from Asian and African countries start to exert pressure on the socioeconomic norms of the countries and rise nationalist movement of the old European history.

            Third, don’t forget the negative impact of climate change, depletion of natural resource, and the explosion of world population. If you put all these factors into your equation, I am sure you will have different conclusion than the current you have. So brother it is not a matter of what we want, it is a matter on what pressure forces are exerting on the socioeconomic relationships of societies.

            Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I think now you changed the argument from capitalism to something else, economics, jobs, environment, immigration and over population, which I will get at the end.

            First I don’t know why those countries that I mentioned called welfare state, and I don’t what that means. I hear that in some right wing American channel, and country like Canada is addresses as such. I think it’s totally false premise I can assure. In Canada fir example, except the most highly dense cities of Toronto, Vancouver and may be Ottawa, any family can have a decent job, even like coffee place like Tim Horton and earn the basic minimum wage and able to afford decent accommodation, free healthcare, free education and basic transportations etc, so the children can get decent education. And those children have the ability to go and study almost anywhere in the country, even if the parents have no money saved up for their education. And I am suggesting they need to get the highest mark and get scholarship, no just average. Off just there is very heavy subsidized loan that most of it is forgiven, depending on the family situation. I think the welfare states that are called by American people are those type of countries who provide equal opportunity to everyone.

            The second point I asked you was, if you are not in support of the capitalist system, what type of system do you is better so I can have different view. Communism as we know it and lived it, is a failed system, as far as I am concerned.

            Now to the other social problems that you have described, I think they are world problems that affect people globally. They are not specific to communism or capitalism.

            But I think there is a huge misconception in that argument, that is world growing population. This was true for through out history but according to some new study, actually they works will suffer by population decline at the end of the century. According to the UN, by end if the century population will trace 11.2 billion from current 7.4. But the argument I heard from the author of a book titled “Empty Planet: the shock of global population decline” on a tv program(you can google it or will send the link on the weekend) the world population will peak at 9 billion by mid of the century and it will start to decline after that. On average, in order to sustain growth a family must have 2.1 child which is not the case in all western countries (1.6), China (1.6) India (2.1).India and China contribute 40% and with advancement of their economy, they will soon below the required number (China already is, and India will soon be).

            The rest is only Africa and it will soon catch up one the living standard improves as has been happening already.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Berhe,

            Do you know the stages of social development? I am talking about them. If we don’t know them our argument will go in parallel talking different things. Second, walfare countries means those countries that gives charities to the poor in terms of money, food stamps, health insurance. By the way that includes US. So if the unemployment is rampant in the world due to technological advancement, we will have few billionaires may be in the near future few trillioners. And the have not will grow exponentially. Can you imagine what kind of pressures will be on the current socioeconomic relationships? Pls figure it out.

            Second, the pressure factors I mentioned in my earlier comments will bring socioeconomic crises. It should be dealt wether by the entire world collectively to set a new socioeconomic order and that is what I call it a new “relation of production” ushering a new stage that negate capitalism.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I don’t know what social development means. My knowledge of socialism, Leninism is limited to grade 8 (political science class during the Derg times).It was useless then and I think it is still useless today. I believe in social justice where those that have, pay their share of taxes so the state and those that have less have the opportunity to do well.

            If walefare system is the term then I am all for it because it provides the means for people to get out of poverty by providing education which is the equalizer in the long term.

            The extreme example you are giving, even in the western world applies only to the US and the US is not the world. And the primary reason why it’s the case in the US, is because the inherit racism that exist in the society. They do not (those that have) want to pay their share so others can advance and improve their situations. For example, why do they have over 12 million undocumented people in the US. Very simple, because they wanted to exploit their labour, as in having, cheap nannies, house keepers, construction and farm workers, land of the free, home of the brave, BS. At the same time, they give scholarship masters and PHd levels primarily) so they exploit their labour power by brain drain.

            I am aware the apartheid system that exist in Canada as well with the aboriginal communities.

            In any case what I get from your argument is, high level political jargons that I don’t think it has practical implementation or if it did it has failed, I think in countries like Cuba.

            If can’t give me an example or you can’t think of one country, region etc that has implanted successfully what you are arguing about I think it works make it simple for me to understand. (I am slow).

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            In comparing socialist vs capitalist systems there is no better example than the Germany experience.
            In his book “Planning Ahead and Falling Behind “ Jaap Sleifer has done an amazing job comparing West Germany with East Germany from 1936-2002.
            I suggest you read the book if haven’t read it already.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            Thank you for the suggestion. That’s a very good example to compare two exactly almost identical society, and how their system have shaped the future of their people. I think Korea example is probably very similar.

            Without even reading the book, I favour the west Germany and South Korea system because, the very simple reason is the freedom, the opportunity and the protection, the self correcting, the system provides at individual level for the citizens to do their at most best without restricting by some government “I know best institute / individuals” institutions.

            Any country who implanted such system, no matter where it is located, has been able to get out of poverty and self destruction.

            Berhe

          • Happy New Year Ayya Amanuel Hidrat and All,

            It is a 101 thing. When you say redistribution of wealth I am sure you don’t mean redistribution of currency accumulated or possessions accumulated. It certainly includes the redistribution of knowledge and know how including wisdom aged wine bottle.

            It repeated Medemer 2 with 99
            on the interstate California 101
            the OzOz read “O two O two”

            Two Oxygen molecules to breath
            then OzOz Meqenes cENTER sTATE
            then sneeze YMEHARKA
            TEMAHIRKUM alekhum
            Or is it even possible for Three Os to make a bond
            in the compound one compound
            for compound interest rate
            yeah THE STATE the esTATE
            via the interestate
            the interest rate
            for it has been since the double nineteen
            one hundred … 101
            till 2020

            Grant a 2020 vision to all blind as
            a redistribution of out of sight out of mind.
            to all kind

            Happy New Year 2020 V

            GitSAtSE

          • Munken

            The problems of the leftists began when they think of the only measurement of wealth is money or assests that can be readily converted in to cash. But the welath of a person is far from being only his assets that can be readily converted in to cash. The wealth of a person should include his natural assets such as health, phisical strength, his ability to make social capitals such as relationships, friends, political prominence, wisdom accumulations, ability to recover from disasters, ecological foot print such as using low resources to survive and thrive e.t.c. And we all know that this aspects of wealth, even though they come mostly naturally, are not distributed fairly among people. A millionare might have a broken relationship or failed to date a loved one but a have not person might find it easy to have a relationship to the envy of his rich friends. So it is difficult to determine who is actually wealthy. You can distribute money but it is impossible to distribute other aspects of wealth specially those of natural gifts. If you take money from a person who is struggling from poor health and spends much of his income to medical treatment to another person with a perfect health with a great potential to make a living, how do convince yourself that justice is being served by distributing only cashes and assets?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Munken,

            Welcome to this forum. The “social capital” and the elements you mentioned as critic are not forgotten in our debate. In fact they are the ingredients that drive “social change”. So when we are talking “social relations” it means we are teferring to them in subtle. Therefore, don’t worry. There is no talks about “politics” and “economics” without them. Second, the term “leftist” is a name approbated to the “social change drivers” and there is no negative connotation with it. Again welcome to this forum.

            Regards

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam munken
            u said ” the wealth of a person should include his natural assets such as health, physical strength, his ability to make social capital such as relationships, friends, political prominence, wisdom accumulations, ability to recover from disaster and etc and we all know this aspects of wealth, even though they come mostly naturally, r not distributed naturally fairly” i agree with u and this is exactly the problem of leftists and communists, unless they take the money from one person and distribute to others , there is no way one can distribute wealth(money and assets that can be converted to cash) fairly with out distribute mostly ” natural” assets for everybody else fairly because those assets(mostly natural assets) that u said above and self effort r the one determine the person ability to make money.

  • ሓላው ስጡሕ

    ሰለም ዓወተ
    እሞ ዓንቀጽ 39 ተጠቒመም ሸበልል እያ አምበር, ከድና ተገንጸልና ኢሎም ከፋራርሑ ከኸርሙ ነውሪ ! ከምታ ንዓና ኣጋግዮም ዘገንጸሉና ንሳቶም እውን ይጥዓምዋ ሰቓይ ምግንጻል

    • Paulos

      ሰላም ሓላው ጥጡሕ,

      ትሪኦ’ለኻ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ካብ ጫፍ ናብ ጫፍ ምስ ሕውሓት ገጥ ኢሉ ብሓደ ሰጢሙ ከምክት ተዳልዩ፣ ሓደ ነገር ካብ ታሪኽ ክንማሃሮ ንኽእል እንተሃለወ፣ ህዝቢ ኣብ ጎኑ ዝገበረ ሓይሊ ዝተሳዕረ የለን። ህዝባዊ ግምባር’ውን ንደርግ ዝሳዓሮ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ኣብ ጎኑ ስለዝነበረ እዩ። ስለዚ ናይ ሃማማት ዘረባ ኣይትዛረብ፣ ሳላ ናይ ኢሳያስን ኣብይን ዕሽነት፣ ሕዋሓት ኣብ ታሪኾም ከም ሎሚ ሓይሎምን ኣብ መትከሎም ምስ ህዝቦም ጸኒዕም ኣይፈልጡን።

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Paulo,

        I agree to what you said and I don’t think Isayas or Abiy candiantgujg about it.

        What I like to know is, what’s their vision of Eritrea and the future?

        I hope people like Admassie can shed some light. I see that, as many others have observed, they support and sponser Eritrean forces who want to seethe disintegration and division of Eritrea, sometimes Agazian, sometimes Tigrayan, sometimes Tigray-Tigrini, RedSea Afar,Kunama, Christian/Muslimsetc.

        This bothers me and I hope they see that they will not see any hope for this to happen for Eritreans, we all are tied by blood no matter how hard it gets.

        The Agazian guy for all the propaganda that he has been doing for years, he doesn’t enjoy any credible support / followers. Any of the young ERITREAN you tubers have much more followers and subscribers, which is a clear indication we’re the support of the people is, as far ERITREAN unity is concerned.

        I hope they make clear principled stand that will last for generations to come.

        Berhe

        • Paulos

          Selam Berhino,

          I would say, the only major change as far as TPLF’s stand is concerned, they are done with the rest of Ethiopia as in they are focused on Tigrai and Tigrai only.

          As you know, the Agazians or the Tigrai-Tigrigni guys are a bunch of lunatics where what they say and blubber is just a pipe dream. No sweat over them. What is rather worrisome is the fact that no one seems to have a sort of roadmap in post-PFDJ Eritrea. That is what we have to focus on. TPLF is not a threat to Eritrea for it has a lot to lose if it intends to do so.

        • Admassie

          Selam Berhe,

          I was not following awate for the last few days and missed your asking for opinion.

          Though late, here is my opinion as far as I know.

          1. As Paulos noted earlier, TPLF is not a treat to Eritrea and I do not believe they want a disintegrated Eritrea either. There is no rationality on it. They are smeared as evil right and left, which they are not, because: a) Some of the Ethiopian elites, who have a wounded grudge for the last 30 years, because they were bitter a minority won a war and Eritrea became an independent country, has worked fiercely in smearing and succeeded. It is because they came from a dominant population that can echo the smearing voice widely and loudly.

          2. The deportation of Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean origin gave Isias and its supports a good propoganda script and also worked hand in hand with the hate mongers explained in # 1.

          TPLF is as guilty as charged in a lot of things like any party functioning in a country with an infant democracy including its partners. Would it been different in terms of cultivating democracy and respect of human rights in Ethiopia if the party that was at the helm was other than EPRDF? I would say emphatically NO! Because we all are the children of an authoritarian culture and we still are. All parties talk the talk, but in practice, they do not have what it takes to exercise democracy even internally.

          TPLF is not joining PMAA’s party. Some say TPLF is playing a scare tactic by rejecting the new PP and is projecting an independent Tigray. Again it is untrue and it is part of the painting of TPLF as evil.

          1. It is rejecting PP, because
          Abiy do not put a) a clear stand what his road map is regarding its political economy b) what his stand is regarding ethnic federalism c) It is individuals who are representing thier ethnics and thier number depends on the size of the population they represent. This means the total no of vote of every ethnic in the party is the reflection of the percentage the population it represents in the country.

          2. TPLF is saying PP is formed against EPRDF’s agreement made in a general conference held in Hawassa and it was not briefed and notified about the formsyion of the new patty until the day the executive branch meet recently. They believe the process was secretive and has intentionally isolated TPLF.

          3. If one believes working with certain party is not in the intrest of its ideals and principles, why is it against a country?

          4. Last summer there was a tgrian diaspora conference in Mekele. There was an incident that the participant were not enthusiastic when the speaker, ato G.Wahid, was talking about the federal? or Ethiopia? He was adamant when he opposed the participants, sensing the atmosphere that undermines the integrity of the country. His firm and unambiguous note was that sustainable peace and development in Tigray is warranted only if Ethiopia is at peace and in progress. It is a bold stand against angry and emotional audience to say “you are wrong”. No one among its partner parties dare to do the same against its emotional followers when they find them wrong.

          The current situation of Ethiopia:
          Like የተናጠ ወተት (ከምተሓቐነ ጸባ) ቅቤዉ ቀስ እያለ እንደሚሰበሰብ , the politics is started to form two opposite poles. Namely: Unity (may be with geographic federal structure) and unity with ethnic based federal structure. It seams PP wants to have both and it is on the fence, but with the intention of towards the former. Parties, like ኢዜማ፣አብሮነት ወዘተ will be for unity with grographic federalism and parties like TPLF, OLF, OFC (Merrara Gudina + Bekele Gerba and now Jawar Mohammed joined the party) and others are ethnic based federalists. And again, TPLF is not withering away as some wish and it will not disapear nowhere. Because it has a stake in its own country!

          If things are going the way they are, that is: grouping, merging, making alliances and so on towards the two poles peacefully, then we may survive the election in the coming May. I am hoping this to happen and I will leave you with the words of PMAA from his “Meddemer” book _ ሞገደኝነት፣ ልግመኝነት፣ ጠበኝነት፣ አላካኪነት፣ ፌዘኝነት፣ ህሊና ቢስነት ወዘተ. These are subtitles the PM used to explain the behavior of our societies that he believes challenges his “Meddemer” “philosophy”. I would like to agree with him and more so to the behavior of the elites including himself. If they are not playing us so, I hope our country will be OK.

  • Peace!

    Hi Hayat Adem,

    Where are you? I really miss you.

    Peace!

  • mokie berhe

    Salam All. Rumors have it that Getachew Assefa has undergone plastic surgery, vocal cord augmentation and a sex change and is now working at a McDonald’s restaurant on Peachtree Road in Atlanta as a “Burger Flipper’ Supervisor and going by the name Keisha Lashonda Campbell.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam All. Dr. (Online PhD from Capella University -LOL-) Debretsion Gebremichael’s wealth has been estimated between US$100 -to- 320 million), he serves as stellar example of many corrupted TPLF thugs rose from rags to riches at the expense of other Ethiopians. Hilarious it is for the TPLF to now criticize PMAA regarding compliance with Ethiopia’s constitution. The TPLF is now like a wounded street dog that has been hit by a car and is retreating into a corner, bleeding but yet still alive, but not for long.

  • Selam All,

    EPRDF was nothing more than tplf’s Trojan horse. Its existence was meant to legitimize tplf’s one party centralized rule. It was born in conspiracy, lived in ambiguity and died in oblivion. It was tplf’s zombie, nothing more. Both shared the same fate, inseparable as they were. Their mutual existence depended on each other. Without the one, the other could not exist.
    The truth is that it is tplf that has distanced itself from the center and not the federal government that pushed it out. It’s tplf that said that unless it is the master and does business as usual (authoritarian rule and kleptocracy), it is not going to be part of the reform nor the new party. Tplf was proponent of the new party when it was in power, because it believed that it will be the same eprdf with a different name, which will continue to exist under its control. It’s now facing the sore reality that it can’t be larger than its real self, and the reason it is opposed to everything the federal government does.
    Tplfs ethic federalism and revolutionary democracy are not the Bible, and nothing is revised, only that there are other ways of doing things as well. My way or the highway, holds true only for tplf, which is obsessed with authoritarian power and exploration of the country. This is the principle tplf is proud of and has the audacity to accuse others for treason.
    Tigray is in no way in danger, but tplf’s dictatorial rule which has already shrunk to its proper size. The audacity and irresponsibly of we are both inside and outside the federation at the same time, and the use of force is our other option, will cost a lot to any one who plays with fire, and it will be tplf leaders who are going to be responsible for that.
    Tplf is trying to change roles, it being the voice of the people and the rest traitors, forgetful of the three decades of killings, incarcerations and looting ethiopians faced under tplf. Ethiopians do not suffer from short memory. The wolf can wear the skin of a sheep; nevertheless, it remains the same wolf. Ethiopians know that very well.
    Tplf is blind to the fact that the present turmoil and the precarious situation of Ethiopian is the legacy of tplf’s ethnic federalism of divide and rule. The country is not meant to be, as their guru once said, unless of course under tplf boots. Today tplf is fighting for the return of its dictatorial rule, when it says that it wants to save the country, the people and its political philosophy of ethnic federalism and the kleptocratic developmental state, which had no similarity whatsoever with the developmental state that existed in some Asian countries and benefited their people. In ethiopia, on the contrary, it turned ragtag guerrilla fighters into millionaires and billionaires.
    Opposition to tplf authoritarian rule is simmering in tigray, the future is bleak for tplf, and it is on a survival mode. It is running around looking for complicit to undermine the government and destabilize the country, but it is not succeeding. It is between a rock and a hard place, the future works against it and the best thing it can do for the people of tigray is to unchain it and resign. It is what Barack Obama said. The problem with politics all over the world is old people not leaving power for the young and getting out of the way. Tplf is a very good example. The old and dilapidated tplf ruling click is suffocating young tigrayans, and it’s blocking the way to the future that belongs to them. When politics becomes a business, it ends up in bankruptcy and utter failure. This is what tplf is condemned to face.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Horizon,

      You said “ Opposition to tplf authoritarian rule is simmering in tigray, the future is bleak for tplf, and it is on a survival mode.”.

      I don’t know what news you are reading, but I doubt what you wrote is truth. The reason being, I think the Tigray people know and see where Ethiopia is heading, and the unrest and total chaos that’s going on inside the rest of the country, and I don’t think they wanted to trade the relative peace they have and replace it to what’s going on.

      You don’t see the displacement, you don’t see the evacuation of university students, you don’t see the army that’s being build in Oromoia, and may be other places.

      What would be the purpose of such bug millitary in a regional government? Shouldn’t millitary be under the control of the federal government like most other federal arrangements. The regional governments should have local police force. Tigray has, Amhara has, Oromo has, Somalia region has…thus is all recipe for civil war.

      We can blame TPLF for starting etc… but Aboy is heading to total wrong direction because he had the chance towards peaceful, democratic vision.

      Berhe

      • Selam Berhe Y.,

        It is tigrayan politicians and opposition parties who are saying that the young is disappointed the way tplf is handling things. In addition you may have seen women demonstrating against rape by tplf factionaries, who have become above the law, grabbing land from the people is widespread thus creating grudges, etc. Because tplf controls the media and uses intimidation, it doesn’t mean that tigrayans are happy with tplf.
        Eritrea is more peaceful than tigray, do you think eritreans are happy and complacent with the situation. Don’t you think that eritreans will come out en mass to the streets with the first sign of the collapse of the dictatorship. Just try to look at things the same way, Tigrayans are not different.
        Through the upheavals ethiopia is moving forward nevertheless. Do you endorse peace under coercion? It is much more difficult to control oneself from being dragged into authoritarianism than using force to quell unrest. What did tplf do other than using brute force to control the country? What does it do today? You shouldn’t quell unrest by killing. That was what tplf was doing. Do you remember the almost 200 people murdered by agazi forces in the streets of Addis under the order of mz? There are some mercenaries and shiftas today who have created a difficult situation, but it doesn’t mean everything is lost. The security forces and the court will succeed, in my opinion.
        Finally, its tplf that started to arm itself by diverting ammunition from the ethiopian armed forces when it was in power. It gave the green light to the somali state with the liyu police. It may not be easy to stop it overnight, nevertheless, the type of ammunition they could carry was under discussion some time ago.
        Those who are disappointed with the reform will misuse the rights given to them. It is the rogue elements who are creating the problem, and no reform is without a problem.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Horizon and Peace,

          I will reply to both because, it seems to me your arguments is the same. It’s TPLF fault and Abiy has no choice but defeat / destroy them so he can continue with his reform etc.

          And that’s exactly my disagreement with that kind of approach. Because that’s repeating the same tradition of power using force that Ethiopia had experienced throughout its existence.

          He had a chance to break the cycle and make peaceful transition without resorting to hate induced, violence ridden transition, where no body knows where it will lead.

          I am no absolving any criminals who committed crimes to go free but what I abhor is revenge base transition where there is no end to cycle of violence.

          He won the hearts and minds of Ethiopian people (including the people of Tigray) and around the world by his message of peace and forgiveness. And he should stick to that no matter what. All those destructive forces, they sound have disappeared one by one by lack of support, and people’s power.

          Abiy is just a showman who has no principle of his own. He has proven like all others before him, he wanted to stay in power and keep power by all means necessary. The fact that he has no principle in enabling and praising, IA, who is the worst dictator the ERITREAN people have faced, show how hallow he is. He is using IA as a model to inflict similar oppression against his own people. I think since going to Asmara, he has changed for the worst.

          He should have learned from Mandela, Martin Luther and others who are able to reconcile and lead their countries to positive change.

          Now I think it’s too late, and I hope the best days for the Ethiopian people.

          He is using IA playbook, chapter by chapter. You should see IA public seminar he did with diaspora in 1993, I think in DC.

          Berhe

          • Peace!

            Hi Berhino,

            My point is people asked for change and their sacrifices should not be compromised for any political settlement, and that by any stretch, doesn’t give Aby a blank check to act as authoritarian. Let’s be a bit practical here, you said “He had a chance to break the cycle and make peaceful transition.” what are/were the terms of peaceful transition? What concession he should have made, or where the line should have been drawn so the people who died for change won’t be betrayed? Put that together with the fact that TPLF has refused to accept the change on day one and emptied all banks before retreated to Mekele with the hope to derail the change and make a quick comeback. In fact, the people of Ethiopia should demand their looted money back if that’s not considered a concession for goodwill.

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abiy,

            I really don’t know the details what TPLF refused to accept change.

            The people who were asking for change were asking the constitution to be uphold etc, and not to replace the government by force and take over.

            If what’s public knowledge is what I am going by, I see no evidence they (TPLF) refused so to the change. Fir they didn’t handover peacefully, not but no body forced them out by military force.

            For example, did they abide by the constitution when PMHD resigned to replace by someone else? Yes, I think.

            Did they handed power peacefully when they lost the vote? I think so, may be they had no choice but they did.

            If they stole money, empty the bank etc, I think there is a lot of ways to deal with that type of crisis. Unless you are telling me they destroyed all the bank finance records, I find it hard to believe that they can get away with such kind of acts.

            If that was the case, it’s not hard for the government to issue new currency and make the looted money worthless.

            Did they took out the good reserve with them? Did they took out the foreign exchange reserve with them? Possible, but it’s hard to believe.

            And if that’s the case, the Abiy government all it needed to do is, higher independent forensic accounting firm and follow the money and find its reports to parliament. Then the government make the report public and go after them with arrest warrants.

            It will be the people of Tigray who would be the first to defend the policy of the actions of the government if such transparent and open process have taken place.

            Instead, Abiy was on open public execution, sometime qen giboch, sometimes whiskey chelatiwoch, sometimes creating documentary and public shaming, sometimes creating drama, basically giving the TPLF the propaganda they were looking to rally their people, look he us after us now and you, the people next.

            At the same time, dancing, hugging and kissing a ruthless dictator and absolving him from his public crimes against humanity.

            In the mean time forgetting, “Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere”, the golden words of Martin Luther.

            He made the right move by publicly declaring that he wanted to resolve the boarder peacefully by accepting the Algers agreement but that’s where he should have stopped for next move.

            If the TPLF is obstructing the demarcation, he should publicly say so or through his parliament.

            None of that cake cutting, caba wearing, Ring giving, kissing and hugging like a wedding celebration.

            Berhe

      • Peace!

        Hi Berhino,

        No sure what do you mean by Abi had a chance? Is he betraying those who paid the price for change or he refused to cave-in to TPLF’s ridiculous demands for the sake of keeping the country together? The people who fought and died for change also had a genuine cause they are sick and tired of TPLF sponsored terrorism and massive displacements for 27 years by (Liyu Militia). There are plenty of videos all over YouTube about the horrors Ethiopians experienced under TPLF’s rule. And If Aby fails, then the people should keep on fighting and searching for the right one looking back should not be an option. Plus peaceful transition is very rare till the destabilizing force is fully defeated which in this case is TPLF. There should be no room for Seb’Ay Delikinin Chehmi Xeliekinin.

        Peace!

  • bardavidi

    Selamat………Union by default………Pay attention also to the other Major regional administration in Amhara where Resentement is running deeper……… the Violence in the center,east and South are heavily directed towards the Amhara population that is scattered thru out and they are Loosing out several positions in the Federal Administration…………An alternate plan might be re-establishing the Pre-Menelik Ethiopia with the Top four and half provinces to split up as a Union………Selah

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam Gedab
    i agree in almost everything of article, expect i don’t think debretsion has nails left, take a very good look at his face , abay tshaye, meles’s face and take a good look at the leprosy people in “alert” hospital in addis. am sure u see not just they r similar with it but a lot of similarities with behavior.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam
      am sorry Moderator, will not happen again.

  • Peace!

    Hi All

    This is rather TPLF has officially realized the game is over after relentless and ugly attempts to sabotage the hard earned change. The tone has completely changed and the frustration appears swelling it must have something serious happened otherwise a looter is the last one to cry of betrayal and no one buys it. It is a curse when a mouth and a hand are always end up on opposite ends. TPLF should blame itself for betraying its own self, its own people, and Ethiopian and Eritrean people. The people of Tigray should learn from Eritreans: wake up and resist.

    Peace!

  • Paulos

    Selam GN,

    Many thanks for the succinct summary and report. In the early 90s, a man walked into a cafe’ and after he ordered coffee, he asked the waiter to get him the newspaper, “Pravda” and the waiter said, “Sir Pravda is not in circulation anymore” then the man said, “Oh ok, can you please get me Pravda.” The rather irritated waiter said the same thing and the man kept asking him for the same newspaper. Finally, the man said, I just wanted to hear it again and again that “Pravda” is gone for good and as you know it was the main newspaper of Soviet Union or Communist Russia .

    I am sure there are people who are delighted to hear the news that EPRDF is finally shoved into the dustbin of history and of course there are people who are not happy at all that EPRDF is rendered obsolete but as they say, time is the hidden factor and in the final analysis, we will see who will get the trophy of history—Abiy or Debretsion.