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Cold War Ended, Hot War Continues

The 20th century is very much defined by the cold war that continued from 1947 to 1991. For Eritreans however, that period was not cold at all, it was a never-ending cycle of violence, bloodshed and social displacement. In 1991 the general mood was optimistic as the end of the cold war introduced alluring terms like globalization and liberalization of markets, but that turned out to be misnomers for the intensive activities of monopolizing of resources. In addition, it ushered wars fought in many countries that were led into destitution by the bad governance of tyrants and warlords: Afghanistan, Congo, Rwanda, Somalia and South Sudan. A little over ten-years later, the circle of fires expanded with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Soon, mayhem in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and Syria followed; miraculously only Tunisia survived. Regrettably, the wars gave birth to the Islamic State-ISIS. Worse, the bloodshed and destruction didn’t stop: Yemen was relentlessly pushed into an insane violence and destitution. The Middle East and East Africa was left asking: is this any better than the cold war? Isn’t Russia resuscitating its blood-thirst by its militaristic postures in the old Soviet republics, for instance, in Crimea, and now is bombing the day light out of Syria?

For Eritreans, the cold war was always a bloody red-hot war; their 1991 only heralded a second phase of violence, repression, and destitution cause by a local tyrant.

Cold or hot, Eritrea always suffered from the repercussions and manifestations of the endless Israeli-Arab conflicts. It has been played by the two sides and continues to be. This time, the Eritrean misfortune is being fanned by men in their twilight years, unhinged men who pose as intellectuals when obviously they would snugly fit behind an Amsterdam glass window.

Eritreans have been struggling to rid their country of the ruthless rule of Isaias Afwerki, a man more suited to be a medieval warlord than a head of state. He has been treating Eritrea as his private property and plunging it in one battle after another. His insignificant lobbying trip to Saudi Arabia in April of last years took a life of its own; a drop of water was worked on tirelessly to make it a torrent. That torrent is the Isaias’ latest escapade, his involvement in the affairs of Yemen. The Saudis had finally opened the crack in their door and hired him as a mercenary, just like he lobbied to be a hired mercenary for George Bush’s invasion of Iraq. Unfortunately, Eritreans will pay for his adventures long after he is gone.

As if what Eritreans are going through is not enough, many are dismayed by the recent PR-article written by Mr. Louis Mazel,  the US Chief of Mission in Eritrea. It is unbecoming for a US official to follow on the footsteps of the discredited Iqbal Jhazbhay, the South African ambassador to Eritrea who acts more like a lobbyist for the Eritrean regime than a foreign diplomat. We hope the American diplomat would refrain from emboldening a repressive regime.

Eritrea In-between

Eritrea continually stars in the narrations reflecting the Arab paranoia in one hand, and the narration of extremist Abyssinian-Israeli paranoia on the other; the boring and conflicting narrations are continuing in endless sequels.

In the sixties, Israel sided with Haile Sellassie’s Ethiopia to help him quash the Eritrean struggle for self-determination. After the overthrow of his regime, and the subsequent shift of the Ethiopian military junta to the Warsaw Pact, Israel’s presence was reduced but remained just below the surface. Throughout the seventies and eighties of the last century, and to this date with less intensity, Arab paranoia is still raging. While extremists like Herman Cohen peddle Arabphobia to  Abyssinians, Arab extremists peddle an opposite narration. They claim that Israel maintains a military base in the red sea islands of Eritrean. One story even claims Israel has a communication base on top of Mt. Soira, the highest point in Eritrea. If Israel has anything on Mt. Soira, where the local shepherds take their goats to graze on its slopes, it must be manned by ghosts. As for the Islands, honest people who can do basic research would discover they are mostly uninhabitable, except the main culprit, Dahlak Island and two other islands, which can hardly sustain basic life. That lie of Israeli presence in Eritrean waters has been kept alive by Arabs who masquerade as political analysts. Lucky for them, they have their equivalent in pro-Israel Western “analysts.” First let’s see an Arab sample.

Dr. Abdella Al-Nefisi

For decades, Dr. Abdella Al-Nefisi of Kuwait has made a career peddling the story of Israeli presence in the Eritrean Red Sea islands. For instance, in June 11, 2011, with a straight face he told the following to AlArabia Television :

“Believe it or not, [he picks his notebook computer to show a map of the Red Sea and continues] here, there are 126 islands belonging to Eritrea—Isaias Afwerki—and he leased some of them to Israel … and Israel uses them as pastures for goats and the like. All the meat that Israel eats comes from these islands. But Iran, it leased a few islands, maybe three islands—out of the 126 islands—the [Iranian] revoluionary guards usethem as camps to train the [Yemeni] Houthis, and to train the shite youth from the Gulf Cooperation Council Countries. And the revolutionary guards have offices in Asmara—three offices in Asmara—to manage this issue….”

Of course, there are quite a few who are equally inflicted with paranoia and believe the so-sure statement of Dr. Al-Nefisi. The YouTube world is full of his hallucinations and fantastic imaginations—some worse than the one quoted above. And such ill-intended rumors harm Eritrea as a country; the police state that Isaias created cannot defend the national interest of the country. The nature of the repressive, closed pariah state that Isaias lords over encourages such rumors that result in far reaching consequences.

Dr. Herman Cohen

Dr. Al-Nafisi found a colleague, someone to assist him gnaw at Eritrea—both are cynical, vindictive warmongers. Dr, A-lNefisi’s colleague is the American Herman Cohen, the man who loves tyrants and promotes injustices for a living.

A major achievement by the EPLF in 1991 absolves it of the many grievances Eritreans might have against the organization of the liberation struggle era. Cohen and his boss G. Bush never wanted Eritrea to be free and in fact at the London Conference, Cohen tried to stall the advance of the Eritrean forces towards Asmara in May 24, 1991. He tried to convince the leaders to leave the Derg’s Second Revolutionary Command intact, fully armed forces in the capital city. He wanted the Derg forces to remain in control while Eritrean forces to enter Asmara. He planned to delay their entry until the EPRDF forces control Addis Ababa—and that would have complicated and changed the dynamics that led to the declaration of Eritrean victory on May 24, 1991. The matter would have gone into blackmailing, threats, and endless negotiations to ensure that Eritrea remained under Ethiopian control. However, the Eritreans were alert of Cohen’s mischief and made a surprise entry into Asmara defeating the remaining Derg forces in Eritrea. It was a fait-accompli and Cohen had to deal with the reality that followed. Since then, Cohen  was treated like a leper by both the victorious Ethiopian and the Eritrea governments. And for a man who claims in his professional bio that  “he ended the Ethiopian civil war,” it’s not an easy slap.

Shamelessly, Cohen claims it was not the 60,000 people who sacrificed themselves for the independence of Eritrea who did it, not the decades long struggle did it. Cohen did it single-handedly!

In an article in his AlNahda column entitled “Mzungu Herman Cohen Witesplains Africa”, Saleh Younis wrote this about Cohen:

“… Cohen is a relic of the Cold War era. He comes from a period of time where American diplomats had no compulsion about advising an African country to annex another African country as he, admittedly, did in advising Senegal to annex The Gambia.”

In December 2013, Cohen authored an article entitled “Time to Bring Eritrea in from the Cold”. In no time, Isaias Afwerki whom Cohen wanted to be brought in from the cold mocked Cohen and boasted that Eritrea (which he equates with himself) was never in the cold to begin with. But Cohen, the President and CEO of “Cohen and Woods “international”, had to write that article, it is part of his assignment after the Eritrean regime hired him to lobby for it in the USA. He promised to use his network, his old mates, and bring Isaias in from the cold—never mind the millions of Eritreans whom Cohen condemns to stay in the cold.

In a letter he wrote to his government on January 2015, Berhane Gebrehiwot, the Eritrean Chargé D’affaires in Washington, DC, wrote:

“[Cohen] had also promised to publish an article similar to the previous one and was also tasked to assess the position of the State Department and, whenever he got the opportunity, to work and positively influence US policy on Eritrea.”

Indeed, the lobbyist would do anything for money, regardless of the suffering he causes Eritreans. And his strategy is built on besmirching the name of Ambassador Susan Rice claiming she is the cause of the rift between the USA and Eritrea, and whom he blames for leaving Isaias out in the cold.

Unfortunately, Eritrean justice seekers cannot afford to hire Cohen as a lobbyist. They can only appeal to the conscience of the world to at least stay neutral—if they cannot help them get rid of their tormentor whose regime is being investigated for possible crimes against humanity. Obviously, Cohen will try to trash the 484-page findings that the UN Commission of Inquiry on Eritrea submitted to the UN security council a few months ago.

At long last, Cohen did write the article he promised to write, and recently he cried wolf: “The Red Sea Is Slipping into Total Arab Control.”  And it is the sort of article that borders on racial incitment—all for money. Cohen started his article with a condescending attention grabber:

“Hey, all you Abyssinians out there. While you are wasting time squabbling with each other and not talking to each other, the governments of the Arabian Peninsula are eating your lunch.”

Hopefully Cohen knows what he is doing. Simply put—and racially speaking—Abyssinians are basically the Ethiopians of Tigray and Amhara regions—roughly 5 million and 20 million people respectively. However, what Cohen conveniently forgot is that the population of Ethiopia is about 100 million people. He consciously chose to play the historical Ethiophile race-card and addressed his audience, “Hey, Abyssinians.” He didn’t address the Oromo, Somali, Sidama, Afari, or other social groups who are almost three-quarters of Ethiopians. The same card that Haile Sellassie cleverly used to advance his hegemonic ambitions came handy. To give you more context, Cohen is addressing the Brown part of the rough map above; the green and yellow parts are disposable. It is that simple for him. Check here for a basic definition of Cohen’s Abyssinia.

For Eritreans, whose population comprises of roughly equal number of Abyssinian and non-Abyssinian sections, the message couldn’t be more evil. That kind of classification has other connotations; Cohen was certainly not addressing the Abyssinian Muslims, let alone the Muslims of other races in both countries. Would another Rwanda satiate his thirst?

At any rate, if anyone thinks the sectarian and racial divisions in the region are purely the making of its inhabitants, they can’t be any further than the truth. Between Dr. Al-Nefisi and Dr. Cohen’s, the attempt to keep Eritreans and Ethiopians in perpetual disarray and mistrust is mischievously being advanced in technicolor.

Based on the above, there is still a dilemma: do you believe Dr. Al-Nafisi who claims Eritrea is under the wings of Israel, or believe Cohen who claims it is under the wings of the Arabs? And is that even humanly possible, or doable at all?

If Eritreans are able to pull out that trick and stay safely snug between the two mortal enemies, then they should be allowed to run Israel and Palestine and bring the debilitating crisis in the region to an end. But then, wouldn’t the two doctors be out of business?

Afterthought

The historical Christian-Jew conflict of the past centuries is no more—Christians have done untold, and possibly unrepeatable, atrocities against the Jews, capping it with the atrocities of Hitler’s Nazis. Thanks to the “modern” configuration, guilty-ridden Christians are now the sugar-daddies of Israel, no more its monstrous enemies. At the end of WW2, Christian Europe tried to remedy its atrocious past by getting rid of European and Russian Jews and helped them establish the state Israel, far away from Europe. Since then, the conflict has basically become a conflict between Zionists and Arabs. And the duo (Al-Nafisi’s and  Cohen) want to export that conflict to yet another spot: Eritrea. How would that play in a volatile region plagued with the many colors of sanctioned and entrepreneurial terrorism and extremism?

An answer to that would help the Dr. Al-Nefisi’s and Dr. Cohen’s of the world to make peace with themselves and with the helpless people. It will also provide the mad ruler of Eritrea less fuel to perpetuate his cruelty against Eritreans.

 

 

 

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  • Peace!

    Dear Awatista,

    ከመይ ቀኒኹም. I think it is better to focus on what should be the role of Eritreans in diaspora in bringing meaningful change to the country. Energizing and supporting people inside the country to rise up is a good start.

    Meanwhile, our neighbor Ethiopia is experiencing unprecedented uprising that it is now flaring up toward the capital city Addis Ababa as panic TPLF continues to murder innocent Oromos for protesting against the master plan of mass eviction. Ostensibly, it is reaching at alarming point that the EU will hold an emergency meeting this coming Monday and is expected to denounce the brutal response by the government and urge the government to allow peaceful protest.

    Peace!

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Peace!

      As far as Eritrea is concerned, “supporting people inside the country to rise up” is not a good idea. This will lead to confrontation and people being massacred. A safer alternative is to advocate a step-by-step reform.

      • V.F.

        Hi MN: you said that “A safer alternative is to advocate a step-by-step reform.” This is relative to uprising. Well, what would be the first step? Who will do the reform? Your statement implies that the regime will reform itself. All the actions that we have seen from the regime is that it has been getting more desperate and repressive. You have seen the adventures in Sudan, Israel that the regime is trying to have people forcibly sign petitions stating that they were essentially economic migrants and they didn’t have any political problems. The interference in the Orthodox church is intensifying. Also its international relations are becoming more out of whack.

        So please tell us what makes you think the regime can reform itself ‘step-by-step.’ You can bet anything in the world and in heavens that it will not allow others to come and reform it and I am sure you know that and that is why I am assuming that by ‘step-by-step’ reform, you meant self-reform.

        • Music Novice

          Greetings V.F.,

          Steps such as peaceful demonstrations and petitions are the way to go. The regime may respond harshly at the beginning, but this is not worse than being kidnapped, raped, organ-harvested or killed on the way to Europe. What is in Europe anyway, other than being a slave in a different guise?

          I suspect, after the first few rounds of peaceful actions by the population, the regime will not be able to continue with its harsh responses since the army, which is the peoples Army, will be split.

          • V.F.

            Hi MN. I totally understand and respect your opinion but in my view, with the exception of the bureaucrats and lower level administrators, the PFDJ mid to high level officials cannot be trusted to implement democratic changes and hence they need to be kicked to the curb. A well-organized coup is the only way to dismantle the system. The prisoners will only be released by force, I can almost guarantee you that. I always hope there are just a handful of high level military leaders who understand and hear the plight of their people and arrest IA and his top officials. After that allow for a peaceful transition. I can guarantee you that for as long as IA is alive and in charge, there will never be any reconciling. He must be taken out first. Every time I open the Eritrean websites, the first thing that comes to my mind is “….Breaking News…the brutal dictator Isaias Afwerki was killed by armed men as he was leaving his office…”

      • Peace!

        Greetings MN,

        Totally fine if that’s the people’s choice; however, the need to define the role of diaspora Eritreans specifically and reach consensus still remains critical if any progress is going to be made. Otherwise, trying to manage leadership remotely by prescribing different governing modules, has been, is, and will be simply a waste of time. It is like boxing match; if you are not willing to get into the ring, then it is better to be a solid supporter.

        Regards

        • Music Novice

          Greetings Peace!,

          For Eritrea, there is no alternative to a peaceful reform.

          Diaspora Eritreans can be broadly split into the ‘opposition’, regime supporters, and the silent ones.

          The ‘opposition’ are not fit for purpose. These are groups who have been on life support machines for decades, and are now trying to get oxygen from the failings of the regime and are dreaming to grab power on the back of the people.

          The regime supporters will follow whatever the EPLF/PFDJ says, no matter what.

          The silent ones will remain silent as they have been doing it since eternity.

          Conclusion: the diaspora Eritreans are irrelevant.

      • AOsman

        Dear MN,

        The safest to pray that DIA dies and those left behind to say “ከምዚ ኢልካስ ናብራ ኣይኮነን ”

        The step-by-step reform idea sounds nice, but will have no practical benefit with a disunited opposition. You have to keep all options open while trying to ensure that all actions are complimentary to each other in achieving the goal – regime change.

        Let me throw one idea to embolden citizens gradually:

        SILENT PROTEST: Example – In Asmara announce a specific date when on Friday Muslims will congregate for prayer at the Grand Mosque only. The Sunday that follows Christians will congregate for prayer at Enda Mariam, Catedrale and Enda Kenisha only. Nothing political, just prayer in numbers – showing soft power/ people power.

        This idea gets publicised on radio and other means well in advance so people know there will be silent protest on x/2/16. When the attendance swells above the usual, the attendees will know many are there in solidarity with the protest, but can claim innocence if the government reacts to it. If successful the same is repeated in month time and then at higher frequency weekly until the psychological chain is broken. Change is likely to come unexpectedly, the silent protest can run in many big cities simultaneously and serve to embolden the mass to express their feeling in public. It will reach a tipping point when some will feel they have a right to protest in the streets of Asmara and elsewhere. By that time EDF members have to be ready to refuse orders to shoot. Penetrating EDF is the next challenge (well that should be difficult as mostly are not full time soldiers).

        Regards

        • V.F.

          AOsman, brilliant and excellent idea. If it didn’t occur to you, I would argue that given how religious our people are (be it Muslims, Christians), congregating at their places of worship and protesting in silence will give them a sense of security and refuge (amlak baelu kihiliwena eyu) as opposed to adebabay or chichero.

          There is a ‘but’ though. As you know, PFDJ infiltrates any gathering of three people or more. So this would have to be planned out very shrewdly and in a very short time span to give PFDJ no chance to hear about it. When would it be announced for people to gather on Friday at Asmara Mosque or enda Mariam? The Sunday/Friday before? Too much time for PFDJ. It would have to be spontaneous and instantaneous. Catch PFDJ by total surprise. That is where your idea needs lots of thinking and planning.

          Once people see that PFDJ is empty barrel and that it can’t do anything if outnumbered by a city of a half a million people, then there you go, the ’embolden’ part is accomplished. Once emboldened, the tide cannot be stopped. I tell you, I meet a lot of people straight from Asmara and they have had absolutely enough. I have seen many 70 and 80 year-olds refuse to go back to their home country? That is the breaking point.

        • Music Novice

          Greetings AOsman,

          The gathering idea, at places of worship, is a very good idea indeed.

          But, I am afraid, any attempt at regime change will be unpredictable, volatile, may bring bloodshed and end up breaking apart Eritrea as we know it.

          Praying for Isaias to die is a fantasy strategy, for many reasons, one being that there is no one to pray to.

          • AOsman

            Dear MN,

            Ignore the prayer for Isayas to die, we pray or don’t it will come at its determined time…

            OK no regime change, let those with that idea work for it. While you work out the step by step reform idea, how about the “Silent Protest” as it only embolden citizens to show displeasure, what is wrong with it and how does is conflict with a reform idea?

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Music Novice

            Greetings AOsman,

            The gathering at places of worship and the silent protest, the whole package is a good starting point.

    • tes

      Dear Peace!

      Somehow better. I think now you believe that TPLF is gone and you have started focusing on the Eritrean issue. Some good developments. Ok lets believe that TPLF is gone and focus on our internal issues.

      The point you raised on Eritrean matters is excellent. I hope you will be an exemplar by leading a role model of sharing your ideas.

      My eyes, minds and hearts are open to your lines.

      Good start for 2016.

      tes

  • V.F.

    Hope nefse (as Abi would say), you missed the boat buddy. We passed a resolution to have Asseb be used by Ethiopia for free up to a certain revenue level and then pay fees thereafter to the Eritrean people (not you or your PFDJ masters, they will be long gone). Do you have a problem with this? Yes? Tough. I used the IA playbook and passed my ideas while you were on a vacation in Cancun. Take your iPad with you next time, not the blondie. Your clones tes and Nitricc protested in vain too. No more war. We are done. The Eritrean people have been spared from the likes of war-mongers and belligerents like you. Go find a base and fight. I have a position for you for future Eritrea, propaganda minister and also minister of future annexation of Begemidir and Gojam with the state of Eritrea. Abi, calm down, this is a joke but I like Hope to have some hope.

  • Abyssinia

    Hi Admins,
    Can somebody explain to me why my post which was a reply
    to MN is put on pending mode again? Is there a rule that prohibits
    one from posting a long post? I am confused!

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Abyssinia,

      I have read your post and it is a good one.

      The Haile Selassie calculation that hungry and perpetually starved people will not have time to think and therefore will not rebel will only work if the starvation level is below a certain threshold. If the threshold is passed, people’s animal instincts will take over and they will start a revolution.

      In the current Eritrean scenario, the threshold seems to be very high. Also, a country cannot afford or sustain more than one revolution within fifty years. That is why people have a tendency to vote with their feet rather than rebel; the same applies to Ethiopia.

      • Abyssinia

        Hi MN,
        I am glad you read it, but I want it to stay there so others read it too. But it is not there any more now. Why do you think so? Did you see anything there that can violate the forum rules? .

        • Music Novice

          Greetings Abyssinia,

          It could be the length of your post or because you do not rap to the music i.e. you are a rebel (needing more checking), or many other reasons. But remember, moderating a discussion forum is a thankless job.

          You need to be patient.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi MN,
            Well, I am disappointed now. I gave it a last try by copying and posting it at the top now, and it is the same: oending. I had a good mood and was looking for some good exchange, but someone, some moderator, decided to screw my day. It is sad!

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            I don’t know what the topic is about, in case it is limit to the length of post….is it something that can be linked?

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abyssinia

            Hi AOsman, Dis Donc
            Finally, it is is posted, but with some vengeful kick from one admin. 🙂 You might have a look at it.

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            I have not seen it yet as we have many posts, will find it though. I now know the problem that I faced, I am on a trip and the change in IP must have caused mine to hang. In such instance, once your post hangs, it is pointless reposting as it does not solve the problem.

            Solomon (tsatse) used to complain of arrested posts and what made it worse could be the “awaiting moderators approval”. Moderation is a demanding task, difficult to provide 24/7 free service, we have to help out by not jumping to conclusion.

            Afterall we were not “victims” as you had assumed.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Abysinia,
            I read some of it as well. Please have patience. It will be there before you know it. Believe me that it will.

    • Abyssinia

      Hi Admin,
      Thank you for the clarification. “As fascinating and out-of-the box as u think ur posts are, they are pretty mundane and pedantic by Awate standards” says a lot about you, nothing about me. 🙂

      • tes

        Dear Abyssinia,

        Pardon me for interjecting between you and the moderator.

        What the moderator said and what you quoted for in response is my point of concern.

        Awate Forum is administered by posting guidelines not through perceived judgments. Unless your post violates the guidelines your lines are fine. So far as I can read you closely your lines are very clean and obeys the posting guidelines. I stayed in this form for two years and I have read very sensitive lines but the moderator is tolerant enough. As far as I read you I didn’t see lines that are racial, non-ethical, abusive and politically unaccepted opinions. You are in fact a clean commentator.

        You can read Hope’s lines if you want to learn what an unethical comments are.

        The problem with you is that you think you are too much on your line of thinking (the Abyssinia Syndrome) and Awate Team are intolerant. Aha man, the forum is a battle ground of ideas. The forum needs people like you so that there will be stirring of thoughts*.

        If are following me I am attacking your line of thinking. That is the game of the forumers. And because of this game Awate Forum is one of loved discussion site among the Eri-websites even Ethio-websites.

        Therefore just do not imagine high on your line of thinking. What you might worry rather is seeing your ignorance about other school of thoughts. Credit goes to tes (as many forumers will agree) this forum, which is called Awate University is composed of more than six School of thoughts. And you are just one.

        The moderators are aware on the existence of these school of thoughts and your comments are already within the lithmus paper of these moderators. Do not therefore imagine your comments are scrutinized seriously.

        From my experience Hope the most moderated forumer. And it is not without a reason. Hope usually gets high and breaks the posting guidelines even more than three times per day on minimum. Yet Hope is around with his stupid comments.

        therefore be patient and be friendly with disqus.

        A friendly interjection

        tes

        *Compare it with asmarino forumers where there is homogeneity. Since you are one of them you know better than me.

        • Abyssinia

          Hi Tes,
          There is some sort of innocence in you that compels me to respect you. Also this comment of yours gave me a chuckle. Thank you.

          • tes

            Dear Abyssinia,

            Thank you. To tell you, not for exageration, but I try to be honest first with myself and then with others. I believe that I am honest to myself and I hope I am too with others (thanks you read some innocence from my lines).

            Let me tell you this:

            Though I am self regulated, Awate Moderators are too much tolerant on my lines*. My lines have so many times violated the posting guidelines. In fact I landed to this forum through violation (thanks to my ignorance I had no idea about this forum and I thought it was just like FB page). And very frequently I violated the guidelines. Many were deleted and very few never appeared. However my violations were not intentional (I think this is the reason why AT tolerates me) rather a response after provocation. Selam ( I got a chance as she was banned by violating so many guidelines. If she was still around I could have been banned for bad), Nitricc and Hope from the Eritrean side and Abi from the Ethiopian forum members are among those whom I can not simply accept their line of thinking. And my fight with Nitricc, Hope and Abi is known to the forumers and moderators. And yet it battle of ideas not of personal though sometimes it becomes even personal calling and labeling (it is sometimes uncontrollable what to do).

            Therefore fight a good fight. For sure tes is very sensitive with the Abyssinia syndrome. But he knows that it is school of thought and his objective is to fight for it not to ban it.

            You are therefore very welcome to the battle ground. We will see who will win.

            A very friendly comment of 2016!

            tes

            *I always thank them for been tolerant for forumers like me.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes, i am a fried you have wrongly diagnose on this person of your interest. when a Tigryan comes to you under the nick name of Abbysinya! watch out. the inferior complexity is at work.

          • tes

            Hi Nitricc,

            I am not abided by the theory of conspiracy. I know his line of thinking just like I do for you. Therefore do not worry. If I am a person to be afraid I could be scared of you with your PFDJ mindset. but thanks I have a gut to face you even further to dump your illogical mindset.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes, never mind. Wrong time to talk to you. Have fun with your drinks. If you have guts, you could have fought PFDJ when you were under their wing. You are the last person to talk about fighting and facing of. You run away, didn’t you?

        • Pass the salt

          rancher tes,
          i must have missed the six school of thoughts. can you tell me what they are? also give me example commenters for each. thanks!

          • tes

            Dear Pass the salt,

            Oh time runs so fast. I think the subject about these schools have been discussed extensively in this forum. If you go back some six or seven months back and search articles posted at the time for sure you will have detailed elaboration.

            But it is ok if I mention some of the prominent schools.

            1. School of Fine thoughts

            2. School of Chauvinists

            3. School of opportunists

            4. School of Abyssinian fundamentalists

            5. School of PFDJ hatching center (no thought here, just multiplication).

            6. The School of Undoings (short lived – under the leadership of Ali Salim, the u-Turner)

            Do not ask me now who belongs to whom as some schools are almost closing their services though the name exists for archive purpose.

            tes

  • Nitricc

    @Guest
    Hi Guest please be considerate and understand. Let them have it their way. They are in the worst spot possible. They are desperate and in full panic mode. There was a time Eritreans were their comrades in their journey to their promise land. Once they used the Eritreans to get to the Promised Land; they betrayed the Eritreans who bled with them by deporting from Ethiopia.
    If that wasn’t enough, they came to reverse the hard earned independence. They know they can’t do it alone, this time they brought the Oromo, the Amhara and every able body to the war front. Once again the brave Eritreans stood toll and defended to the last bullet.
    Once again the war supposed to break Eritrean spinal cord and teaching them a lesson they never forget failed miserably. As usual Eritrean prevailed.
    The deporting and the all out war couldn’t accomplish the plan of destroying Eritrea.
    . This time, the Tigryans went with what they do best, hatch a lie, create a no peace no war situation, fabricate sanction and bleed the country to death.
    According the time it took, the recourses they wasted and the effort that was dispensed; Eritrea should not exist. Think about it?
    If that is not utter failed mission; now Eritrea is on the driver seat; in command while the Weyane PM is complaining why he is ignored when the deals were going down.
    If that is not enough; here it comes Eritrea, armed with Saudi Arabian state of art weapons, here they come the Oromo with full sense of reprisal; here they come the Amhara with full sense of revenge, here they came the rest of the repressed Ethiopians to claim their rightful country. Now, if you are a TPLF thug; how do you feel?
    Precisely my point! TPLF thugs I Understand your panic!

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Nitricc,

      Are you living in a parallel Universe?

      In any case, this is a very long emotional rant even by your standards.

    • Ted

      Hi Nitricc, የኤርትራ መንግስት እጅ የሌለበት የኢትዮፒያ ችግር የለም, said the out of touch spokesperson of TPLF. Who is is living in the parallel universe here?

      • Music Novice

        Greetings Ted,

        Earlier I said:
        ———————————————————————————————————————-
        Diaspora Eritreans can be broadly split into the ‘opposition’, regime supporters, and the silent ones.

        The ‘opposition’ are not fit for purpose. These are groups who have been on life support machines for decades, and are now trying to get oxygen from the failings of the regime and are dreaming to grab power on the back of the people.

        The regime supporters will obey and follow whatever the EPLF/PFDJ says, no matter what, anyway.

        The silent ones will remain silent as they have been doing it since eternity.

        Conclusion: the diaspora Eritreans are irrelevant.
        ————————————————————————————————————————–

        Now, I would like to make a modification by adding a fourth category, which is:

        Those who shed crocodile tears about Eritrea, while in reality they are crying about their confiscated properties in Ethiopia. These type of people have their feet firmly on the ground (not in a parallel Universe). In a way, they are similar to the ‘opposition’ I described above, in that their behaviour is motivated by personal revenge rather than the welfare of the nation they pay lip service to.

        • Ted

          Hi MN, my family ordeal can be summed up as out of the frying pan into the fire. What happened in Ethiopia can be considered as mere inconvenience in grand scheme of things. Actually things worked out fine for some of them. How i wish i be in the “getting back their assets” groups than irrelevant opposition. Is there a fifth group for people like yourself who do not give a rats asz if Eritrea breaks away and disappear in to the ocean?-:(
          PS. it is good you made your conclusion about me as oppose to your usual off putting habit where you respond posts with questions.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            Do you know that there is a geological process (based on volcanic and earthquake action) at the moment, in the Afar zone, that will end up splitting parts of Eritrea and Ethiopia into islands of the Red Sea?

            Do you have any property in that area?

      • Nitricc

        Hey Ted, when MN asking “Who is living in the parallel universe here” He was talking about
        “Abay Tsehaye told local journalists in Addis that Woyane decimated Derg,Shaebia,Kinijit,Somalia, Muslim Oromo extremists… etc etc one by one and there is nothing left for Woyane to prove how Woyane is invincible,but he admits Space Science is going to be a challenge.”
        * you know the space program is ready to take of from Alpha Meless space program in Meqelle. Don’t forget this equivalent to Kennedy space center; lol how about feeding your people?

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Guest,

    Don’t be a coward, and answer the simple question I put forward to you.

    How is Eritrea to get peace with Ethiopia?

    I directed the question to you because you have been crying in public, disguised as a brave talk, for so long.

    You say “Woyanigna” is not straight talk, but at the same time you (“some of us”) claim you do not understand it? What a pompous dunce living in fairy land!

  • Abyssinia

    Hi Forumers,
    Well, the admins have started arresting my posts again. That is truly disappointing.

    • AOsman

      Dear Abyssinia,

      Chilax, my response to Guest earlier went on from awaiting xxxx from moderator to pending…after 4 hours it was still pending…now it is posted. There could be many reasons, have patience.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Abyssinia

        Hi, AOsman,
        Thank you. That helps! Comrade in victimhood 🙂 I am growing fond of you, AOsman! I see it has been posted now. Check it, it is my reply to MN.

        • Dis Donc

          Dear Abysinia,
          Wow, what a revelation! Is that one of your layered issues or something out of a fortune cookie? That was just for a laugh. But seriously, I await to see what you come up next. Good beginning though.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi AOsman,
            I think the revelation thingy is probably a sarcasm. 🙂 But, fine. It is one of the layers, probably the most outer layer that I use in my thinking, and it is not from a fortune cookie. It is a daily wisdom. When my mind is occupied with things that seem very important and/or threatening, I zoom out and they, all of a sudden, are not that important. zooming in and out is very important tool for thinking, generally. Check my hitherto longest post, a reply to MN, now. I am sure you will obtain something in there.

          • tes

            Dear Disc Donc,

            No one will go empty once he landed in this university. Abyssinia came here loaded with one directional shoot and thanks now he started to see beyond.

            Patience and wisdom pays everything.

            tes

          • Peace!

            Selam Dis Donc,

            Go easy on him, but Just remind him that horse is badly beaten to the ground and time for new one.

            Regards

  • Nitricc

    Hey Aman; For people with low self exception and simple minded; good writing is the sign of education. However for others, Thinking, Problem solving and inventing is what real education means.

  • sara

    Dear Hanibal
    it is a right thing ethiobai to host such a meeting, ethiobia knows the Waring factions from the days of SANA’A FORUM.
    btw, what happen to san’a forum, is it still active…

    • PTS

      Ethiopia. Not ethiobia.

      • sara

        dear
        it’s diffcult to say “P”…even when i visit the corner store and ask for Bebsi,
        the attendant says always, what? what!… and i tell him Bebsi…
        any way thank you PTS, i will try.

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Guest,

    How is Eritrea to get peace with Eritrea?

    Why are you using a Straw Man argument? Just answer the question clearly?

  • Dear AbrahamHanibal,
    This is exactly what a neighbor should do, bring the waring parties together for the sake of peace, instead of adding fuel on fire. I hope they succeed, and the salesman of the horn goes home empty handed.

  • Abi

    Hi Sem
    You are acting like some fool trying to act a brave in front of a girl. As usual, you’re all over the map. Take a break, Breath slow, Talk less. Don’t worry you will get the woman.
    One thing about Nitricc, he doesn’t want Ethiopian tanks to take him all the way to godana harinet. That shows your arrogance and utter contempt to Ethiopians. Who are you defending Arabs ? You are cheap. Aren’t you the one advocating Arabic for Ethiopia? You have no shame.
    BTW, Emma is the one who betrayed Ethiopia and went to port Sudan to become the receiver of armaments that were shipped from various Arab countries. He is also the one who proudly told us he went back to Ethiopia to beg the late PM to allow college education to Eritreans. What does that show you?
    1 He is shameless
    2 Ethiopia is welcoming and generous as always
    3 you don’t know what the crap you are talking about
    4 I hate, I repeat, I hate backstabbing experts . If you betrayed me once, don’t come back and make fool of yourself.
    5 I respect those who respect themselves.
    6 Is it still cold out there? Get used to it.

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Guest,

    Wrong.

    I did not say ” the only way a victim (Eritrea) can get peace is if it succumbs to the demands of the local bully (Ethiopia) and hand over its property?”

    Surely, you are reading a different script.

    I only asked: “How is Eritrea going to get peace with Ethiopia?”

    That is, I asked you to give your vision of how Eritrea is going to get peace with Ethiopia?

  • tes

    Dear mahmud Saleh,

    I disagree with you. In fact this another biggest failure of PFDJ policy after his Somalia involvement through Al-Shabab.

    Recognizing a legitimate government and supporting it is different from aligning with another country. In this case aligning with Saudi Arabia.

    I don’t know why you failed to read this biggest gambling of PFDJ. You might have used a political gambling term called “whorish” to approve what PFDJ did in this current scenario. But the reality is a continuation of PFDJ policy of repeated failures.

    PFDJ was in Congo.

    PFDJ was in Chad

    PFDJ was in Sudan

    PFDJ was in Libya

    PFDJ was in Somalia

    PFDJ is in Ethiopia

    PFDJ was in Crimea (in support of Russian’s forced annexation)

    And now PFDJ is in Yemen.

    The worst is: PFDJ is in the Sunni-Shia conflict.

    Had PFDJ only decided in support of a legitimate government in Yemen(not forgetting his initial support of the Houthi forces) without aligning the war declared by Saudi on Yemen (a proxy-war of Saudi and Iran in fact) then may be we could have said “oh PFDJ’s decision is right. Aha how PFDJ can be right? Impossible.

    Mahmuday, the worst of all ever decisions, next to PFDJ involvement in Somalia is what we are witnessing.

    tes

    • Abyssinia

      Hi Tes,
      Apparently you make sense sometimes! There is indeed a big difference between supporting the UN-supported Yemeni government and supporting Saudi Arabia. The second is ass-licking. But the Arabists would never see that; for them humiliation by the Arabs is dignity! You earned my respect on this.

      • tes

        Hi Abyssinia,

        As I advised you before, stay more, here (in this university), you will learn lots of wisdom.

        The problem with you is that you are are to dump your beliefs while Awate University is designed to stir beliefs for whatever it is. I always think about you and contemplate by saying “why this wrong person is in the right university?”.

        Anyway, I can see your beliefs stirring slowly. Thanks to Awate forumers.

        tes

        • Abyssinia

          Hi Tes,
          Reading this gave me chuckle. Thank you for that.

          • tes

            Hi Abyssinia,

            You are very welcome. Better than getting mad.

            tes

        • PTS

          tes,
          Aby is from the other website, sleepysville. One would think that is a perfect place for him with folks of identical views. But I guess when views are identical, it becomes boring to hang around people with whom you have nothing to disagree on, nothing to debate about. Right Aby?

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan tes
      Thanks for this reply, you brought some import points. I will elaborate on my opinion: In short why I think this is the best choice PFDJ has taken in its diplomatic endeavors (read: less worst option). I’m really busy you know with whom, I have not yet read my dearest Hayat’s joke, and why Semere is in hot water, why Abyssinia is acting the way he is acting…my good friend KOKEB SELAMS REPLY….I have not read the forum…anyway, meet you sometime later.

  • AMAN

    Woyanes lead themselves into the road the Amharas
    used and abandoned it after decided it is exhausted
    and threw it as no more worthy in 1991.
    =========================================
    I knew it from long time ago the TPLF/Woyane and their
    blind followers will lead not only Tigrayan but also Ethiopian
    politics into more crisis and bottom low by facilitating and even
    accelerating the wrong way started by the previous 2 regimes
    before them – the HSI and the Military/WPE.
    One noticeable change to support my point is that, the Amharas
    has quickly distanced themselves from that past political culture
    seizing the opportune moment of political change in Ethiopia in
    1991 making 180 degrees reversal from the ways the regimes
    had been conducting by quickly decentralizing and democrtizing
    their politics and culture not only better than the Tigrayans and
    EPRDF who chose down the road the Amhara polity engineered
    and exhausted but quickly abandoned it as useless in 1991.
    Thus woyane/TPLF has lead the Tigray people into the past not
    into the future while the Amharas adjusted their political direction
    correctly abandoning the old regime politics which the woyane/
    TPLF has romanticized it & struggled against the Ethiopian people
    to resurrect , revive and adopt the already expired politics.

  • Nitricc

    Hi Guest; I have been advising to the Ethiopians that they take Eritrea out of the equation of the horn of Africa. For the Ethiopians all they had to do is exit Eritrean land and obay what ever PIA tells them J. That is all what is left to do. They tried no peace no war in hope the Eritrean government will collapse in its own weight and to the opposite TPLF are fighting for their life. The Ethiopian people are after them. While PIA, with one shoot; he solved everything. One of the greatest gains from alliance with SA is, it kills perfectly the unjust arms embargo that was placed on Eritrea. SA is number customer of USA in buying weapons. Every high tech weapon made by the USA is in SA. Who is to stop SA for delivering weapons through across few miles? Oh yes, those high tech submarines will be all over the read sea and the ports of Eritrea. bye bye toothless and unjust sanction. The lion of naqfa has found a way to dismantle TPLF’s game and the unjust sanction.
    Thw Weyane was waiting PIA to come to them in his knee and now they must go to him on their knee with their tail between their legs. lol

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Nitricc,

      You said: ” I have been advising (to) the Ethiopians that they take Eritrea out of the equation of the horn of Africa.”

      Conclusion: Eritrea not in the equation.

      You then said: “For the Ethiopians all they had to do is exit Eritrean land and obay (sic!) what ever (sic!) PIA tells them …” and “… now they must go to him on their knee with their tail between their legs.”

      Conclusion: Eritrea is in the equation.

      Nitricc, don’t you think you are contradicting yourself.

      Disclaimer: I am only interested in the logical aspect rather than the political aspect of the above statements of Nitricc.

      • Abyssinia

        Hi Music Novice,
        Haha. I can’t help but bring sustainability issue here 🙂 Is it sustainable to keep watching for logical consistency in Nitricc’s posts in particular and many other forumers’ in general?

        • Music Novice

          Greetings Abyssinia,

          I am doing this for a laugh.

          This Nitricc chap amazes me. He is never tired of mumbling along, to no practical effect. The current breed of PFDJites seem to be muddled.

          I remember our Dehai forum days, I had my fair share of blind EPLF/PFDJ fanaticism. I hope Saleh Gadi, my nemesis, remembers.

          I remember a lot of very articulate people such as saay, Gideon, Elias-Amare, Tekie Fessehatsion, Berhe, YG etc. defending the PFDJ, with no positive practical outcome. This only serves a psychological purpose.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi MN,
            I wish I had known those days and all those people. I am a young man and Dehai forum seems as old as me. But, Nitricc is an interesting character. Does he think he is doing something at all? I think he would be an interesting object of study for some psychologists. What really surprises me is that he never shows any progress in whatsoever form: grammar, logic, ideas. Just always the same. Nitricc is a great example of what it means not to be educated. But I would like to draw your attention to what I think can describe Nitricc at least partially. I found the following in an Eritrean Canadian diasporic Masters thesis.

            I was once told by a professor of history that “those who love their country the most are
            the ones who have never been there”, but use their imagination to fill gaps in their knowledge of
            the homeland. I feel his words summarize my experience as a diasporic Eritrean situated in
            Canada.

            Basically he says, pushed by racist exclusion and cultural alienation in Canada, he longed to belong in Eritrea and he filled the gaps in his knowledge of Eritrea with his imagination and created a beautiful country flowing with wealth, flowers, and happy people.
            Once he went to Eritrea, he said:

            To my surprise, the first images I saw were not those of a bountiful landscape as my
            mother had described in her stories, but those of a nation ravaged by thirty years of anticolonial
            warfare.”

            Do you believe that PFDJ has benefited from this void of diasporic Eritrean youth by filling the void with PFDJ’ narratives and “spirituality” ?

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Abyssinia,

            You are right, a reaction to cultural alienation may explain the behaviour of a certain sector of the Eritrean diaspora.

            For me, the biggest worry is the EPLF/PFDJ, the TPLF/EPRDF and in fact all guerrilla based liberation movements, discouraging critical thinking. Ideally, if someone supports them uncritically, they must be suspicious.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi MN,
            Yes, you are right. These organizations are terrible. If I may ask you, what happened for you to abandon (assuming you have) your fanatic support to PFDJ? Was it a gradual change helped by tragedies here and there or a shift in the way you see things?

          • Music Novice

            Greeting Abyssinia,

            First, the country’s interest must be separated from the party’s interest.

            Second, when the party is interested in your money, labour and blind support only and you must show dogmatic obedience and your opinion is irrelevant, then you realise that you are in cult.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi MN,
            Thank you so much for this beautifully presented, concise and thoughtful post. I am very happy you managed to extricate yourself from the ‘cult’ of PFDJ. You know it is all possible that one can remain in the cult until death. What life is that, really?

            On the content, I find myself agreeing. Even scientific knowledge is tentative. Knowledge in social science is even more so. In Buddhism, even phenomena (society, a person, tree, the self) is transient and illusory. But the crux of your point, as I understood it, is that the powerful have the means to produce “reality” for the masses. This reminds me of an interesting study on an artificial community voting for or against legalizing marijuana. In the community, there are a large number of ordinary people who barely know each other and three very powerful people that are known by a lot of the members of the community.

            Now the voters are to vote for or against the proposed bill, but there is one rule: voters must vote on the basis of what the majority of the people they know in the community are voting. So If a community member knows three people in the community, and two are voting for legalizing marijuana, he/sh must vote for legalizing marijuana. In the community, only the three powerful people were in favor of legalizing marijuana and the rest were all against.

            The result of the voting was that marijuana was legalized. This is because the ordinary members mostly know the powerful and what they are voting for, but not each other. The influence of the three powerful people creates the impression,on the ordinary man, that the majority are supporting legalizing marijuana. Imagine the impact in an individualized and media-oriented society. The point is that the influence of the powerful is immense even in democratic societies because they can manufacture consent using different means at their disposal. What that means in real societies is that the powerful (the ones that control the media, the wealth, the security, the ones that have influence and fame, the ones that make public opinions) can rally the society to whatever cause they believe in and make it vote for the agenda even if the agenda in question is against the interest of the society.

            Once you start to realize the magnitude of the difference between the powerful and the masses, it is hard to not be pessimist about society. The belief that the mass of ordinary people is rational and in control of its destiny even in democratic societies is an illusion. After the second world war, American elites discarded (not publicly of course) the belief in fundamental democracy (the belief that the masses know what is good for them) and resorted to Freud’s psychoanalytic techniques( mass mind control and consent manufacturing) out of which consumerism was born and out of which many mass-mind control experts made a huge career and fortune. Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays, who coined public relations, as a replacement for propaganda because propaganda was abused by Nazi Germany, is a good example. Public relations is now part of every corporation and government organ.

            When Georege Soros say that the powerful employ “sophisticated use of powerful techniques” of deception and control, he is stating a fact, and he is suggesting the pursuit for truth to fill in the inadequacies of democracy. We can hope that that improves the misery of the masses, but the powerful will always find a way to manipulate the masses at a level the masses do not comprehend and do not understand. Here, I would like to add one interesting method Emperor Haile-Selassie used to control the masses. The emperor’s rule is not anywhere close to democracy, but the extent to which he went to control and deceive the people is scary and amazing. I read it in a book called “The Emperor: Downfall of an Autocrat” by Ryszard Kapuściński who interviewed the emperor’s associates, operatives and dignitaries right after the emperor was deposed. I really recommend the book. I quote what one of the emperor’s close person said about using religion as a tool of control:

            “… Consider also, my dear friend, that – between me and you- it is not bad for national order and a sense of national humility that the subjects be rendered skinnier, thinned down a bit. Our religion ordains a strict fast for half of all the days in the year, and our commandments say that whoever breaks the fast commits a deadly sin and begins to stink all over of hellish sulfur. … why did our fathers impose such strict rules on us recommending that mortification of the flesh be practiced unceasingly? It is because man is by nature a bad creature who takes damning pleasure out of giving in to temptation, especially the temptations of disobedience, possessiveness, and licentiousness.

            How, then, is one to confront this threatening creature that man seems to be , that we are all? How to tame him and daunt him? How to know that beast, how to master it? There is only one way, my friend: by weakening him. Yes by depriving him of his vitality, …. And to weaken is exactly what fasting does. such is our Amharic philosophy, and that is what our fathers teach us. Experience confirms it. A man starved all his life will never rebel. … But let the subject try to eat his fill and then try to take the bowl away, and immediately he rises in rebellion. The usefulness of going hungry is that a hungry man thinks only of bread. He is all wrapped up in the thought of food. He loses the remains of his vitality in that thought, and he no longer has either the desire or the will to seek pleasure through the temptations of disobedience. ”

            Another interviewee reflects on how thinking was a taboo, something to be avoided at any cost, a deformity of the highest order and how that deformity hit his home.

            After the Gojam uprising, ….., a singular misfortune happened to me: my son Hailu, a university student in those depressing days, started to think. That is right, he began to think, and I must explain to you, my friend, that in those days thinking was a painful inconvenience and a troubling deformity. His Unexcelled Majesty, in his incessant care for the good and comfort of his subjects, never spared any efforts to protect them from this inconvenience and deformity. …. . And yet my
            harebrained son committed exactly that indiscretion.

            Well, is it a wonder that the Habesha people are generally thin, that poverty and backwardness are pervasive, that thinkers and philosophers are absent, that the church has 201/360 holidays (no-work days)?

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            The issue of controlling desire by fasting it is something well known in Islam too, but it is regarded positive as it builds self control (against sin), it builds character. When rulers starve their people to control them, you are talking of long term starvation to maintain power, it is just pure evil. As a kid I used to hear fasting for the king after the 40 days fasting (I think 10 more days), was that for HS or by king or it meant something else?

            While we think how PFDJ may be using it on Eritrea, could you expand on it to analyse the 100% recent vote in Ethiopia and how EPRD reacted recently to protest on the fear that the “masses” could be manipulated.

            Abi used to say “Dabo First” :), he must be the enlightened one that knew to free people you must free their stomach. A long term plan for his revolution.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abyssinia

            Hi AOsman,
            Yes, it is pure evil. Fasting for the king, it is not for Haileselassie in particular. My guess is that some king introduced it long time ago, and it became part of the lent. Abi’s “food fisrt” is very wise, far-reaching. It is ridiculous to talk about democracy day-in day-out while most of your people is in deep poverty. Democracy needs people that are not wrapped in thoughts of basic needs. EPRDF uses food in exchange for votes, no doubt about that. But, remember they did not get 100% votes, they won 100% of the seats. There is a big difference. The masses could be manipulated by any one, but EPRDF itself is the biggest manipulator. I can’t say much about the Oromo protest, except that the government is reacting too harshly.

          • Abi

            Hi Abbysinia
            You said it all. The concept of democracy is very elitist. Without a formidable middle class majority talking about democracy is cheating oneself.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abisnya I could have thrown you a bone or two what education means and where I stand in it but I am Eritrean and bragging and begging are not my culture. It is obvious that your culture. Writing on the forum is not my priority I have far more important things to do. Any way; thanks for your insult and good luck with your education.

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            This is not only a phenomenon with those who have not lived there, even those us who have been out for long through the same feeling. Nostalgia grows with distance and time, if you do not hold bad memory the better (which tend to fade away over time).

            Earlier checking on youtube the first clip to show up, bought good memories – it is long at least the first 10 minutes you will enjoy, the rest an Eritrean will enjoy it more :).

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCsxSnRf0oM

            The MSc thesis that you are referring to, I downloaded it to read on the Anatomy of the Village Baito but did go through it all. Some awatista may find the whole thesis interesting to read:

            Revisiting the “Black Man’s Burden”: Eritrea and the curse of the Nation-State by Aman Sium

            https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/25675/1/Sium_Aman_201011_MA_Thesis.pdf

            Regards
            AOsman

  • Dear Fnote Selam,
    When Eritrea says that it reaffirms its strategic neighborly ties with the KSA, and
    condemns Iran, and has already taken certain steps, it shows clearly its full
    commitment to stand with Saudi Arabia against Iran. When two elephants fight,
    it is usually the grass that suffers (the saying goes), and small nations
    should be extremely careful that they do not end up paying the consequences of
    other people’s adventures. Saudi Arabia has yet to reach the tipping point in
    the war, hence she asked for help. There are many who doubt that she will ever
    be able to win militarily. The small Gulf States have already taken a step back
    in their commitment in the Yemeni war. I hope that Eritrea would not be the one
    who would be burdened with the bulk of the fighting and its consequences.

    (Sorry, I could not open the other link).

    • Fnote Selam

      Dear Horizon,

      You know in normal situation, Eritrea should have developed clear and transparent foreign policy long time ago. This would have prevented or debunked a lot of the rumors about the support or level of supports eritrea supposedly gives to various groups. Unfortunately that is not the case and eritrea finds itself in a dicey situation right now. And as I said the nominal or minimal support to the Saudi alliance that I am advocating for is not based on the merits of Saudi. It is that Eritrea has no option but to side with Saudi. Let me ask you this, we know the momentum and intensity of the rumors that Eritrea was supporting the houthis (although Gulfnews, very pro GCC newspaper, has been on the ground in Eritrea and confirmed no presence of any military camps or support facilities for houthis or israel for that matter (it is in the link i sent you in my previous comment); although, there are Qatari soldiers stationed on border between Eri and Dji and they didnt claim any activity of houthis in Eri; although no one has produced any document, photo or vid showing Eri supported houthis). Given all this insidious rumor, what do you think the Saudis and their alliance would have done if Eri simply stated that ‘hey we are neutral here and you guys should come together and solve your problems peacefully?’

      Best,

      FS

  • AOsman

    Dear Guest,

    You are good mirror for Abyssinia, calm down, we don’t sign deals here. Eritrea is a sovereign nation and it will make deals that is in its interest, the problem is you are focusing your rage at a citizen who is a nobody, while DIA at the helm is doing much damage to Eritrea.

    The Saudis and other nations across the Red Sea are our neighbors too. They have never done any bad thing to Eritrea, we can get a better deal from them. So why should Eritrea go into a deal with Ethiopia? why should Eritrea carry the burden of giving access to Ethiopia more than Djbouti? or Sudan? or Somali? Kenya etc. All are sovereign states, so is Eritrea.

    Saudi does not need our port, go check their map they are not landlocked and they have much bigger ports on the Read Sea in Jeddah and elsewhere. Now tell me why is DIA involved in the destruction of Yemen, first by cosying with Iran and now with Saudi? Are they not our neighbors too?

    About Ethiopia using Djibouti, well they are already doing that with investment that shows long term commitment. Also they are using Somalia, if we remain paranoid with Abyssinia’s type of comments, in future Massawa and Assab will loose out from potential business. Go and visit Massawa (a ghost town now), the locals cannot even live a simple life as fisher men let alone from the shipping related employment. Are you happy with the regime at home, when will sanity prevail?

    Regards
    AOsman

  • Abyssinia

    Dear Dis Donc,
    Thank you for your comment. I would say there is a lot of misunderstanding of my position in your post. It would be great if you make a serious effort at understanding my position before you reply so we do not spend time correcting and re-correcting. For example, nowhere have I wished for war. If I mentioned war, it is to describe that the way Eritreans want to keep Ethiopia locked and insecure and make a business and psychological benefit out of that situation makes it inevitable for Ethiopia to wage war. That is totally different from wishing war. It is also wrong to compare the Hawzien massacre with conventional war to reclaim land. You have to know that the Hawzien massacre was just a massacre conducted on market day.

    No where have I implied that I am interested in the land, but not in the people. If anything, my number one position is that It is useful for both people to come up with sustainable solution that benefits both people. That is why I suggested confederal, federal or other arrangement where both people benefit. Among the benefits for Eritrea would be the demilitarization of Eritrean youth, a big market for Eritrean products and businesses, the security that Ethiopia can provide, etc.. Now, tell me how else I can show that I care for the Eritrean people? Really, be in my position and tell me how to care? When I say Eritreans should not think wanting the entire coast for themselves is
    in the best interest of the common good because Ethiopians see a problem
    in this arrangement, I have the peace and good wish for both people. But if the people say they do not want to be with the Ethiopian people, there is nothing we can do about that. In that case, we will be forced to only consider the land (Assab) and if the people their do not want to be Ethiopian, they can move to the rest of Eritrea. You see, you keep on choosing the lesser evil just because the other party is making it impossible for a better solution

    The other attempts to undermine my position such as “you are minority”, my argument is always the same and only latter on to say my argument is “evolving from history to identity to security and now to military might” are contradictory and by no means helpful and true. I am an Ethiopian and I very well know what I am talking about. You might be misled by the position of the EPRDF government, the public sentiment is completely another.

    Coming to your main argument, it is just anecdotal, unrelated and uncontextualized. For each example that you have provided, I can give you counter examples. Russia-Crimea, China-Tibet, etc.. That is not the point and that is not going to convince Ethiopia at all. The point should not be about that; the point should be about how to solve the impasse sustainably and in such a way that it benefits both people. The war and other things are desperate measures when the problem is not addressed to the satisfaction of both parties. I am calling on Eritreans to see that there is a bigger benefit to be gained from fair, good and sustainable solution than from wanting to choke and exploit Ethiopia, and that for both Eritreans and Ethiopians.

    • Dis Donc

      Dear Abysinia,
      What are you referring then when you clearly write, in a very good English, the following?
      “It has to claim it, by law or by force.”

      I also lost the thread where you clearly wrote that Ethiopia has to take the port by military might and the law can do nothing about it. I understand your aversion for the rule of law (court), given the Badume debacle, but the law of the sea is very clear and unambiguous. The reality, however, is that we do not have a government that lives by the law of either local or international. That is why they are despised around the world. Think of the sanctions. They are not out of the blue sky. The government at home antagonizes the world by not following civil liberties and international norms and laws.

      Finally, you need to learn to calm down even when attacked as your true color shows. Read your reply to Mahmud and you notice that you downgraded more than half the population of Eritrea when you call them “nomad camel herders.” How do you care for the people if you think of them this way? I mentioned it to you many times that the Habesha story is not shared by the entire Eritrean demography. That kind of view is shared by QeTafi poletikegna, who showed up in Eritrea to claim the land but not the people. You are far better than that!!

      • Abyssinia

        Hi Dis Donc,
        Well,”It has to claim it, by law or by force.” is a position I maintain in the absence of consent, as the next resort. See it that way. And I still believe that international law is not the end, might is the end. So no problem there. What is said to Mahmud applies to him and him, and it is not an insult, it is something he advocates day-in day-out. We can not force down history to someone that does not have history, or someone that has disowned it. We are democrats 🙂 Finally, take the advice in your post for yourself. Thank you.

        • Dis Donc

          Dear Abysinia,
          I am glad that you got that out of your system. There has never been misunderstandings, as you want us to believe. You have contempt for others. You believe in might, as most of your past leaders. You don’t have to toss your ideas around on unfounded claims and subjugation. You want the ports and want to get them by force. As they say that will be your folly. I am also glad that you’ve picked up a lesson of not forcing people to accept your history, as theirs. One thing though; everybody has a story to tell. Here again I need to remind you that you are not the only one with a history, fictitous or not. Thank you…

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Dis Donc,
            I have no idea why the anger and the need to force a position down my throat. It is just simple, yes we want the ports and we want to have them in this order. 1) consent: all people benefit. 2) party one does not consent, we use international law, 3) it does not work, we use force. That is as simple as that. And yes, I have deep contempt for the Eritrean state. Any thing more? Tell me the history of Eritrea 200 years ago? The rest is hot air, you can blow it towards Saudi Arabia 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abyssinia,
            .
            You know I am partial to you. You state your opinion clearly without ambiguity. You are an educated young man. I disagree with some of your ideas. I myself on occasions crossed the line in these discussions.
            .
            The above statement of yours to Dis Donc, on the face of it is beyond any line. It becomes even more acute when you consider it happening in their home. There are many nationalists here that I disagree with. I also know, more than likely, some of these same people have lost a close relative in their very recent history. That makes it hard to stand by and watch.
            .
            I do feel shame when such insults are thrown in by my own brother. That is all I have to say.
            .
            Mr. K.H

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Guest,

    How is Eritrea going to get peace with Ethiopia?

    Can you give us a concise answer? No “shamelessly shuffling words and sentences, shaping some imaginary deals”!

  • Hayat Adem

    Oh the Sweet Abi,
    I think VF might make a better president but I love to see you high-rating me every time because I have plenty at home who are busy low-rating me all the time I say something. It is like I am in summer beach where I’m wearing a bikini revealing most of my body and you are so caring and polite that you only look at the covered parts and Ted, the milker, meets me in a cold winter bundled up with multiple clothes and he is so agitated to get into my skin that he is fixated to my uncovered ankles!
    🙂 just to make you smile…if I may…
    Hayat

  • Abyssinia

    Dear AOsman,
    I understand you and you are a fair and gracious man, judging from your posts so far. However, I am afraid you have not understood the depth of the Ethiopia’s concern. I want you to see it deeper than just port use, lease and good deal. For that, Ethiopia does not need Eritrean ports; it can do it any where. No matter how good a deal you can offer, it is never good unless it addresses the fundamental question of ownership and security.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Awatistas,
    The whorish PFDJ diplomacy is showing again. What would you make of this: “The Government of Eritrea reaffirms its strategic neighborly ties with Saudi Arabia and condemns the violation perpetrated against the Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Tehran.”
    The conflict between Iran and KSA centers on hegemony and religion: Shite vs Sunni. All other countries openly siding with KSA are the ones predominantly Sunni and that had historical difficulties with Tehran. Why would a small country who had nothing to Iran/KSA history of conflict would jump wagon on the heated tempers in a light speed? There is no sleep to be lost if they stayed until UN or the Arab league says something on the Embassy attack, and follow suite if they have to, at least.
    Ugh!

    • Fnote Selam

      Hayat,

      Regardless of what we think of PFDJ, the decision to side with the Saidis is the least bad for Eritrea, not because of what the Saudis offer or who they are, but that the only option Eri has. I dont think Eri even have the option to remain neutral in this case. The Saudis were ready to bomb Eri based on (not so sound rumors) that Eri supports the Houthis (and that was when the Houthi were no where as strong as they are now). I dont think Eri should be involved deeply, but some moral/political and logistic support is ok. Otherwise it is alshabab/somalia all over again…In short, as long as the involvement remains minimal, some indication of support to the Saudi alliance is imperative for Eri.

      Best,

      FS.

      • Dear Fnote Selam,
        Are you saying that Eritrea was intimidated into siding the Saudis? Have I read you
        right? I find it difficult to believe that it is possible. No country is intimidated into doing what
        others want. What could bring an Al Shabab/Somalia situation is involvement in Shia/Sunni and Iran/KSA hegemonic, religious and ideological confrontations, and not remaining neutral. Eritrea is in no way part of these. It is all about an opportunistic political endevor by DIA, who feels no responsibility for his country and its people.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi the Cool Fnote,

        Options:

        1) We can be neutral like 95% of the nations in the world ( or like Qatar (so far), Turkey, Pakistan, Iraq.

        2) We can support Saudi tacitly

        3) We can support the Saudis openly but non-materially

        4) We can support the Saudis in the same Kuwait supports

        a) We can be neutral We can be neutral like 95% of the nations in the world ( or like Qatar (so far), Turkey, Pakistan, Iraq.

        b) We can support Iran tacitly

        c) We can support Iran openly but non-materially

        d) We can support Iran
        ————————-
        How is it the no-option-but supporting KSA in a hot Sunni/Shiite conflict the best decision for Eritrea? I don’t know for sure if your claim KSA was to bomb us is true, but Iran is not less a threat if it is about the fear of being bombed that makes decide to support one against another, Look at the wording they used: they didn’t invoke the reason of protecting Embassies under Vienna convention. They sheepishly had to say about “strategic ties” and threw themselves as a Saudi’s extension. It is the same nonsense and dangerous mistake they made when they showed up in Crimea on a whorish support to Russia. Were we threatened by Russia of being bombed as well? My friend, it is the money stupid, nothing else. Isayas sees money, he goes as far as Alaska. You remember why we had to shed our blood in DRC during Kabila. don’t you? The bad consequence of such a whorish slignment is it will complicate the future of Eritrea further.
        Hayat

        • Semere Andom

          Hi FS and Hayat:

          Both of you have good points, both of you are right. FS, I know what you are saying.

          Polictics is part art, part science, but common sense. But the biggesgt deal in Eri’s case in ay political decicisions, all of them are made when IA is in his drunkesn stuppers.

          The future implocations are dire for the recklessness that the bunch in PFDJ are handling the nations’s affairs. Like the seeds EPLF planted to get us in this mess, PFDJis planting, new seeds for the future chaos in Eritrea. Nothing in teh last 25 years that IA did was to the benefit of Eritea’s posterity.

          Politics is tricky even when the reps of the peple deliberate to position the coungtry and they many times get it wrong and one man’s insane alcohol induced decisions are even worse.

          By now we should just enternalize that IA does things for survival but he cannot survive for ever when he stops surviving the wrath will be unleashed onto us. Our region is volatile an with the crazy men like IA and Bashire, it will remain so.

          Look at the link that Tes provied about the Afar issue, he is right and the ethnic realignment in Eritrea and Ethiopia and Djubiti is self evident and Dankalai is not immune to that. PFDJ knows that and thaat is why they neglected the Afar so Eritrea. It is in this wholistic view we need to see the blunders of IA

          • Hayat Adem

            Hey Sem,
            Thank you on this one. Have you read the joke I dedicated to you somewhere below? Or I’ll come up with another one if it failed to make you laugh out.
            Hayat

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            Thanks, I had not read it until you alerted me, very, vey funny and fitting as PFDJ’s agents are parrots and women who gossip over long coffee sessions
            thank you for that, I will spread it:-)

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest Sem,
            What?! You actually said “… women who gossip over long coffee sessions”? I will overlook on this one but the only time I feel bad with friends is when they say such stuff…oh Semere! What am going to do with you!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            clarification:
            The whole security of spying of PFDJ is based on so and so said this about Eri, about wedi Afom, it could be women over coffee, men over shahi, boys over shissha or katikala, I am describing PFDJ’s spying methods and not women
            🙂

          • Abi

            Hayat
            What ” what?!”
            You read it right. When it comes to women and minority’s issues, Sem is the last person to talk to.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aby don’t forget that Semere also thinks Ethiopian life is less than of Eritrean life. For this reason Semere wants the blood needed paid for getting rid of PFDJ to come from the Ethiopians. He is morally bankrupted.

          • Abi

            Yes Sir! General
            He was ready to write his inaugural speech if the Ethiopians tanks gave him a ride to Asmara. Nah, it ain’t happening.
            He is suffering from hypothermia. He has been outside for a loooooong time.

          • Ted

            Hi Hayat,Not that it matters, maybe his subconscious mind annul you are a women.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted:
            I know Hayat is a woman, she just misunderstood,or I did not do a good job.
            Now, where the insulting women in that comment
            Do women gossip over coffee or not, do men gossip and chat over shahi or milk or qat????
            So I am saying PFDJ relies on these kind of info to disappear people, disappearance that you bless. If you have nothing meaningful,or correction or genuine dialogo spare me

          • Ted

            Hi Semere A. You are not processing what you said in a right way. You can not unknow what you truly know and most importantly you did not insult no one considering gender is fluid these days; as Bruce chose to be Caitlyn and was celebrated on Vogue magazine. Your crime, Hayat is a women and she does not like it when stereotyped as village gossiper. Have a ball and apologize to her for your condescending comment. But looking back the way you tormented and referred Eritrean mothers as uneducated kebero junkies for attending Eritrean events, it won’t be a stretch to consider you as a bigot.

            PS. I blame your worsening mental lapse due to stress for what is happening down south.

        • Ted

          Hi Hayat, You like IA or not the current situation don’t let you sit and wait, some thing has to be done in this time of “either with us or against us” period. When Saudis worked against him with US, he flirted with Iran, and the same is true what he did with Russia. Do you expect him to sit idle when all around him conspire against Eritrea. Whatever small, he has to play his hand. Soudis are our powerful next door neighbour whether we like it or not. If it is not advantageous to be their friend, being their foe or even neutral is a lot more dangerous. It has been said that our current world is not the same anymore and in this lawless jungle that is the international system, nations seldom have the luxury of choosing good over evil. Usually, it is a matter of choosing a lesser evil over a greater evil. Eritrea gotta to do , what Eritrea gotta to do.
          Remove your IA bashing hat aside and talk about what options Eritrea has.

          • Hayat Adem

            No Ted, I hate IA as a bad political person or even as non-personable person. But, I’m saying this out of worry for Eritrea. The problem is there is no parliament, free media and think-tank platforms to discuss what policies and national orientations are bad, good or possible. We have to suffer every reckless move this man makes. We are always in the dark as to what this guys has in his sleeves. We always have to wake up to them uninformed, no matter how grave they are. Ted, don’t you hate we have to hear it always after the facts?
            Hayat

        • Fnote Selam

          Dear Hayat,

          Please see my reply to Horizon….may be that will help clear my point of view and where I am coming from.

          Best,

          FS.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Hayat Adem

          I don’t know much about the conflict itself; but if I have to guess, the PFDJ regime is doing the right thing. If you think about it, even Ethiopia doesn’t have any other choice but to support the Saudi led bombing campaign (or stay mute if it can afford it).

          For Eritrea, it is all about being on the right side of the West (American policy). The PFDJ regime has done and said many “foolish” things before. It is about time to learn from its past mistakes.

          It is not about right or wrong, it is all about siding with the powerful to save your skin.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Semere,
            Why is it always about insulting others or becoming their messenger? Even in the polarized cold war time, there were a block called the non-aligned nations. Why do we have to justify every crazy policy and decision as if all other options are discussed and considered. When is Saudi seen as a country bombing nations that haven’t supported her against Iran? When does the West has been seen as a force demanding others to support Saudi or else will be labelled as enemy? Isn’t staying principled, consistent and national-interest focused good enough? Are you willing to advise IA to change his old policies of calling Weyane kedami (the messenger boy of the West)? My friend, if, influence force and threats are the key elements of shaping one’s geopolitical policies, there is not a country more imminent and immediate than Ethiopia. So, you can encourage IA to take the shortest road if that is what you have in mind, then.
            Hayat

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            Please, please keep it civil. I don’t “insult” others and I’m not a “messenger” of others. I don’t advice Isaias Afewerki, or any one else. I’m not capable of advising regional issues to anyone – about issues that I know little/nothing about. I’m just running my mouth like you to voice my opinion. period.

            When there was instability in Somalia (a neighbor) out of national security concern, Ethiopian policy makers sided with UN policy (Western directed) and acted accordingly. You didn’t/don’t have/had any qualm with that.

            Today there is instability in Yemen (Eritre’s neighbor). Eritrea has a steak in the outcome of this chaos. And Eritrea is doing the exact same thing (cooperate with UN/Western powers regional policy) that Ethiopia did in 2006. And you’re throwing a fit.

            Now tell me: would you like your Ethiopia to be on the side of the Iran supported Houthis rebellion? Would you’ve praised the PFDJ government, had it sided with the Houthis led (Iran sponsored) rebellion? I don’t think so.

            Listen: the crux of this war is control of Bab-El Mandeb – a shipping lane (sea highway), a lifeline of world economy, a choke-point. The choise: by Western powers or by the Al-QaEda inspired Jihadists and ethnic Islamists. Neutrality is not an option when you’re sitting at the edge of the world highway (Bab-El-Mandeb).

            You can blame the PFDJ regime for many other things, but not for this one.

            Semere Tesfai

          • tes

            Dear Semere Tesfai,

            Since I know your line of thinking I usually do not feel energetic to respond to your opinions though I read them cautiously.

            Ok, what you are airing here that PFDJ is right in his recent decision to support Saudi Arabia war in Yemen and you pointed that the main point of the war in Yemen is “who controls Bab’el Mendeb”.

            Well, we know that Yemeni people have been in war for almost now more than a half century. Yemen was saved from being divided between the North and the South. But so far the war had no far fetched strength of controlling the maritime lines except increasing the bloodshed among the Yemeni people.

            Yemen became a battle ground of USSR supported forces before and the other opposing forces. Even Yemen sided with Ethiopia against the Eritrean struggle. It is unforgettable historical discourses.

            This being the truth, siding with external forces has always a bitter memory to the victimized people. In whatever it is, Yemeni people should be treated as equal citizens and only from that angle a country’s decision can be taken.

            Unfortunately the conflict in Yemen is not of political but of religious sects. Thinking that Eritrea is a secular nation involving in such matters is a disaster. Ok countries like Saudi and Iran are always in the sectarian war and there is nothing new issues. It is very clear why PFDJ is there(petrodollar – recruited junta) but even to be recruited you need to analyze things.

            My prediction is:

            1. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will be in danger and Saudi to save her kingdom will negotiate with Iran and sooner they will withdrew from this war.

            2. PFDJ will withdrew silently and again remain isolated as usual. the worst now is: PFDJ has already involved in the middle east religious politics and there is no way to be free.

            tes

      • tes

        Hi Fnote Selam,

        As always you are shy in your descriptive terms. What characterizes you is that you use a very tactical words of stating your opinion and yet failed to depart from the despot.

        tes

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Dear Hayat A.,

      Actually the UN has already condemned the attacks on the Saudi embassy in Iran; however, it miserably failed to mention the slaughter of 47 prisoners by the Saudi monarchy, just like the PFDJ regime’s one sentence condemnation, with no mention of the executions. It is very unbalansed condemnation from the UN considering the fact that it was Saudi Arabia’s executions that in the first place triggered the reaction in Iran. However, I agree with you that the Eritrean people have no business in this Sunni-Shia conflict; we’ve more than enough problems of our own to solve; the first of them being getting rid of the menace of the PFDJ. Shame on us Eritreans for letting ourselves to be ensalved to such a degree in the 21st century that a psychopath wouldn’t hesitate to trade us in excahnge for Arab money that he would eventually stash into his private coffers.
      If there are any gullible Eritreans who think that this newfound relationship with the authoritarian Gulf states would bring any advantage to the Eritrean people, they need to think twice. The Eritrean people are only going to be used as cannon fodders; they are not getting a cent from this deal.

  • tes

    Dear Readers,

    Following the political dilemma in the middle east and a harsh rush by the horn of African countries, Eritrea has also condemned the Tehran incidence.

    http://www.shabait.com/news/local-news/21009-statement-of-the-foreign-ministry

    tes

  • AOsman

    Dear Abi,

    Egyptians say احنا في الهوا سوا (similar to – we are in the same boat).

    You rejected no# 8 on a legal ground, you will be hired as a consultant to come up with a crafty solution. They will be non-Ethiopian Ethiopians and Eritreans somehow after following your footstep.

    http://www.cynthiaimmigration.com/2014/01/05/dueling-citizenships-ethiopia-and-the-united-states/

    You have been offering me Ethiopian citizenship and you are not one (ወይ ጉድ). Do you know Eritrean citizenship is the most advanced, in tune with nature based on your physical proximity to Eritrea – even if when you renounce it you remain Eritrean 🙂 – that’s to keep in jail and you loose it if you are too distant.

    No# 3, did not make sense…..V.F was trying to entice Weyane with a proposal that Tigray will be a trade hub.

    Not far from a settled agreement and if this works out, I would say viva V.F. and will vote for him as our common President.

    Regards
    AOsman

    • V.F.

      AOsman, compliments from a great thinker like you means a lot. Honestly, my thought is to help all of us to look at the bigger picture. Just stray away from the daily mundane IA this, weyane that, PFDJ that etc. They will all perish, but the peoples of Eritrea and Ethiopia will thrive on. I think, two democratic governments can easily craft a lasting peace and cooperation plan. I wholeheartedly believe that the Eritrean and Ethiopian people do like each other deep down and they would really like an opportunity to prove to the world their potential. With a good and democratically elected government in Eritrea and some adjustments in Ethiopia, peace, justice and prosperity is within reach for the two peoples. Of course the same goes with Sudan, which is equally important for Eritrea and also Ethiopia for that matter.

      For now, let’s keep this proposals and Mahmoud’s amendments under our pillows and get back to ridding of IA and his enablers. What do you think of partial reforming of the system we have in Eritrea? Meaning, get rid of IA and his core group, keep the rest intact and sideline the structures and personalities that are unreformable on a gradual basis. Even EPLF/PFDJ left some legacies from the derg regime intact like mimhidarat in Asmara.

  • adarob

    Dear aman,
    Which Eritrea are you refering to? My Eritrea is not only the hills of kebesa. The rich part of Eritrea with its ports and the vast agricultural and mining region has nothing to do with your ethiopia. They prefer to share thier wealth with thier arab brothers, you kan share the stone of the hill with the Gala.

  • Dis Donc

    This article is plagiarized,

  • Semere Andom

    Hi BY:
    The signing ceremony when he was desperate to talk to MZ proves the stick and carrot is correct. The stick may have been broken as MS said but it was broken on the backs of Eritreans as the Tigrinya saying goes.
    Let alone in a crowd he even in the field he was always secured and guarded except the few years when they were starting out.
    During the Algeria signing he should have refused to shake hands with MZ like Rabbin did with Yasir Arafat, but for IA the 19k were not 19K, they were “astat”, approximately 19k, mere stars who died defending him and his adventures and his hobbies
    IA, a man devoid of principles and that is how he built his gangs, he built his gangs on the backs of the freedom fighters both in EPLF and ELF, the highlanders in ELF defended him, people like Wedi Zere, who ironically was arrested by EPF after independence in Ethiopia, still not heard of him 25 years later

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Awate Friends,

    Okay that is fine, we have said it all when comes to the external situation. but fist what opposition is supposed to do? I am wondering why PFDJ was faster to manage than the opposition when in fact PFDJ was totally not trusted by Arabs. if the opposition was fast to show Arabs that PFDJ was serving Hoti and Iran today the result could have been different.

    Why is opposition missing chances? when I try to answer such questions, it makes me even more comfortable and more confident of my stand in calling my party members and leadership not to spend time negotiating here and there with those lost Eritrean parties but instead make the party more practical right in the field. again to remind you my stand – go forward never care all the blames and name assassinations take calculated risk and fight – was my stand. No Nairobi, or Germen talks can solve our problem. what we need is every real practical man to go to the field and fight practically. Unity will be there only when someone do the job.

    • T..T.

      Hi Kokhob Selam,

      Relationships between governments change with time due to changes of political realities or change of interests. But when it comes with Isayas – look at Arab Gulf countries and radio Voice of America – no change of any political nature will change those relationships and for years, no matter what, they remained strong and consistent. Do you know why? We have to re-define Isayas based on his Kagnew Station connection. The investigation has to go deeper. So far, there is no any apparent composure of foreign policy or joint defense or ideological similarity to define their relationship as based on, although it has the stench of rotting politics to support Isayas.

  • V.F.

    Abi, you like 8 out of 10? That is not good. Now, the Eritrean hardliners (Nitricc, Ted, Hope, tes, Peace…), will automatically dislike the 8 you liked and like the 2 you disliked. What should we do? I was hoping you would go 5 out of 10, which would have necessarily forced the guys I mentioned above to like the other 5. That would have put us on an even footing. This was supposed to be a trick to get people to agree on something. You spoiled it man.

    • Fnote Selam

      VF,
      Now you ruined your excellent start…

      FS

      • V.F.

        FS, just adding some humor to keep Abi entertained.

    • Abi

      VF
      80/100 is great. You know who gets 100/100 all the time?

  • Semere Andom

    H Hayat:
    H Hayat:
    I am sure all this went over Ted’s head. But am also sure you heard the saying “Seb tsewiE entebelkuwa…..), It is your fault:-)
    Did you see how he brought COI report into your rebut. We are used to him calling any comment by you gibberish, but now Ted is officially a denier of the crimes by IA and he does that by calling the report that 5000 Eritreans certified, a repot that 500 Eritreans gave their testimonies to it, which means 500 Eritreans, youth, middle-age, from different t regions and ethnicity, who never met each others said the same thing. The report that Ted is dying is as truthful as the Bible, a document written by 46 people, over the ages and who never compared notes.
    This is what we are against, denies o suffering, deniers of ethnic cleansing, and enforcers and enablers of crime like Ted, dawit, Nitricc and sometimes depending on his male PMS, Hope

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi Sem,
      Let me entertain you with a joke I recently heard and enjoyed. It would have been much better in Tig if it were not for the font compatibility problem. A man who lives in Asmara had a papagalo pet with him. Everytime IA appears on TV, the man said, “L-E-B-A!!!” The bird would repeat after him, “leyybba, leyybbaa, leyybba…..” Then, the guy became anxious about it fearing someone might know and report. He unleashed the bird sent out to the wild. Fate brought IA to the nearby countryside touring around with his officials. Then, they heard this:”leyybba, leyybbaa, leyybba”. Everyone turn round 360 degree and there was no person to be suspected of daring to utter those words. Then came another round of repeat “leyybba, leyybbaa, leyybba”.Now they knew where it was coming from, and the bird was immediately detained. The next question was easy, “who have papagallo in Asmara?” There were about four residents identified, and and it was for the Isayas men to zero in to the right owner, after covering others.
      “Did you use to have a papagallo?”
      “Yes, I used to have one?”
      “Where is he now?”
      (Now the owner might have his own suspicion as what might be the purpose of the interrogation)
      “I kicked him out of my house, and I don’t know where he is now.”
      “Is this the one you used to have?”
      “Yes, that is him?”
      “Okay, may you tell us your reason to kick him out.”
      “wa’e! enta’ kigebir! teqawami koynu rekhibeyo!!!”
      [I found him to be a member of the opposition. What else could I have done?!”
      Lol,
      Hayat

      • tes

        Dear Hayat Adem,

        This is really joke of the year ahead, 2016! Haha!!!

        tes

        • Hayat Adem

          Thanks, tes, for the award. what do you might happen to the bird afterwards.
          I suspect IA tried to educate him a new word to say, jigna. jinnnna, jinnna, jinnna. it would learn that quickly but then it might be difficult for the bird to unlearn the old vocabulary. jinnnaa leyybba, jinnna leyybba..lol. Mahmudday will kill me for this joke. Don’t worry, Mahmuday, I can stop hoping on you to unlearn the Sahel stuff and still remain a friend.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam Gual Adem
    1. Describe IA the way you want him defined. I do have my own descriptions.
    2. Meles was so wrong in saying that the regime in Asmara responds positively more to the stick than the carrot. Remember, the war, once ignited and the TPLF regime made its intentions clear, all Eritreans including the bright son of Eritrea, your truly friend Saleh Y rushed to the trenches to defend the independence of a nation that you have no clue how much it demanded to reach up that point; it was not a case of Meles versus IA. And you know what? Meles’ sticks were broken to pieces by the fierce resistance Eritreans put up. Meles backers from Russia to Israel to the USA were disappointed when Meles failed in sweeping off the Eritrean governments. It’s easy for you to rerun imaginary movies of your troops marching to Asmara and forcing IA to relinquish territories. Commanders take actions based on the development of battles not on political principles. Political principles are met by the summation of the results of battles. In this case it was weather Eritrean State will survive or not. For your information: Eritreans are trained in being flexible, years of war taught them that there is push and pull in the process of war. They swapped territories in order to conserve their numbers and combat readiness. They did it for the 30 years of their struggle. On the contrary, any person with a bit of bleeding heart should have questioned the wisdom of Ethiopian generals pushing hundreds of thousands into well defended trenches. I have never seen the carnage I witnessed in reports and narrated to me by participants of that war. So, instead of questioning Meles wisdom of using Ethiopians as canon fodders, you are questioning the wisdom of Eritreans for making tactical adjustments and compatible diplomatic maneuvers. Well, that’s the despicable nature of war. The poor perish in it, and the elite massage their egos.
    3. Your jacket and the rest of ghedli fabricated stories are just as sadistic. Worse, you are saying it here in an Eritrean forum. Those “Bed time stories for sadists” could be hosted in Aigaforum or other sites which draw leaders who have no clue how ghedli rules and life were. It shows how daring you are in bashing Eritreans character. Ghedli belongs to all Eritreans, and most of them participated in it in some form.
    4. IA killed a judge before ….
    what is next? IA was a member of Apollo 11?
    Tell you what, we need a clean fight not based on fabrications. You got a clean stuff? Bring it on.

    • Asmerom

      Dear Mahmud
      Wow !! Cool down you lost it no matter what you say or do Isais sins and mischievous deeds are naked for everybody to see
      What he did to gehdli is no better to what he is doing now so please don’t try to defend the indefensible

    • Hayat Adem

      Hey Mahmuday,
      1) You know I have no respect for ghedli but I was not talking about it now, it was IA.
      2) I wish you stop putting me here and there to defend IA but I don’t care if want it that way. The only time I took pain from that kind characterization was when it came from Saay7 in his status as a moderator. With you, it can be fair if you want to personalize and attack. The only concern here is it won’t be helpful and additive, Otherwise, it won’t scare me off if you want to dwell. I am also being surprised by the rush-to-defend IA. Did I hit some nerves? Well, I think you got to say what you have to say.
      3) If we have killed millions of Ethiopians, what would it help us achieve? Please refrain from bragging from the death we inflicted up on Ethiopians. There is nothing to be gained from playing that number. I have more authenticate numbers, and the statistics say different facts but that is not my thing to dwell here. Suffix is we lost about 70k lives from both sides for a stupid and avoidable war that war.
      4) They are not bedtime stories. You should be the first to know them. You think I can create the jacket story, the judge murder story out of the blue just to get at IA?! My goodness, you trust this mad man so much?!
      5) Why are you sounding so hurt and personal? Where did you drop your wise-mature voice?
      Hayat

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Gual Adem
        Many readers will know you are not really talking about IA. So, let me stop there. You were the one singing PMMZ “stick” thing not me. The reason why I’m against war, and warmongers like you, is because I know the consequences. I simply stated you should have criticized the users of that stick which was, by the way, shattered in the deserts of Assab (after Eritrea accepted the UN resolution, and in the plains of Gash-Barka, again, after Eritrea accepted the ceasefire proposal. For what? You should ask your generals why they sent so many Ethiopians to their death when Eritrea accepted a ceasefire. To what end?
        – PFDJ is still in power
        – The flashpoint and many of the “disputed” chunks have been legally returned to its rightful owner: ERITREA. That’s why I’m reminding you that if you have a chunk of a compassionate heart, you should criticize past adventures of war by both sides and try to prevent another round of war.
        So, you should have asked the wisdom of your prime minister. Leave IA to Eritreans. A person who has no respect for the history of Eritrea and who constantly storm us with sugarcoated propaganda of union could not be a credible stakeholder in Eritrean issues. It’s that simple. Eritrea will be bettered by Eritreans who love it: its people, territory and its legal existence as an independent state, not by individuals who bash its history.

    • Abyssinia

      Hi Mahmud,
      I would like to ask you one honest question. I have always seen your anger at the slightest mention of Ghedli’s wrongdoing. I try to understand things from your position. But for us who do not have any emotional baggage, how should we measure Ghedli? True Ghedli achieved Independence, but an achievement is not good per se. If you set out to destroy your house and you did, that is an achievement too. Is it a good achievement? It depends on your yardstick.

      To me there is just one yardstick and that is what did Ghedli bring to the people? Is life better now than it was before Ghedli? Is the prospect of life getting in Ghedli’s Eritrea promising? That is the real yradstick against which Ghedli must be measured, not the emotional and other baggage. According to this measure, Ghedli is a curse that has befallen on the peoples’ lives and their future. Tell me it is otherwise, I am all ears.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Abyssinia,
        We Eritreans never regret for our Gedli days. Never ! in fact we are proud of all the journey we went through. don’t think our struggle was wrong just because PFDJ is there creating mess today. this will pass and things will be correctly put in it’s proper place. Eritrean people fought for independent and democratic nation. we have done a lot of mistakes in history and the consequence is here asking us more and yes we are doing our duty. Mahmuday is a bit extreme and is not accepting Gedli mistakes, but he can’t cover it as the result is here right in our face. that stand is I think from deep love of his nation and we should understand him.

        but you should also read us, see us, we are saying it today, – we should not repeat the old mistakes while standing firm in our aim – having independent and peaceful, democratic, prosperous nation. Yes we can and it will be materialized – no U turn.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam Kokhebay
          As a new year resolution, I’m leaving ካልኣዊ ግርጭት ብሰላም ክፍትሑ። I thank you for the sensible treatment of MaHmuday. I understand you have read my comments all through, so I don’t want to repeat myself in explaining that ghedli could be examined and treated critically. I have said so many things that explain the bullshit that existed in ghedli, among which tops civil war and treatment of individuals who raised their voices to correct our revolution. There are many…many aweful experiences. But…yes but….all those experiences are teachable when explained within their context. For instance, Gual Adem intended to pass the thought that ghedli was a group of lawless, intimidated, aimless people through her jacket story. Anyone, and remember that there are many readers who lived and experienced the culture of EPLF. This is just for our young people who missed EPLF 101: If it really happened, the following scenarios COULD BE ENVISAGED.
          1. All recruits regardless of their social status, their relation to the leadership (IA had 7 tegadelti in the field and each of them was treated like any other tegadalay. Now, if oyu consider is an attempt to exonerate IA, let it be. Ab Haqi neQax iye. I’m very stubborn when I am pushed around to say lies for the safe of political expediency.
          2. If you were in oyur units and a gift arrived from somewhere, it usually does not go far from the immediate unit. Most tegadelti share it to those who don’t have, or more needy 9depending on the nature of the gift). No tegadalay possessed money, money that you collect in a battle from dead soldiers would strictly be sent to the Finance department. People who were going for special assignments did have monthly allowances. But if it is things like clothing, you don’t go for higher authorities. Usually squad commanders distribute them. For instance, you have enough clothing, and cloths arrive from family, it was the norm of the day that you would simply distribute it among your comrades. Therefore, the battalion commander would simply solve it. He could have given it to one of his operators, or his deputy….if he was that paranoid, he would give it to his deputy and let his deputy assign it to him!! It would be that simple.
          The notion was to avoid preferential treatments and a class of haves and have nots when everybody was away from her/his family and paying the same blood.
          3. After mid eighties, things were loosening up. Things like radio…cloths…watches were allowed. There were many tegadelty who had owned 12 bands new radios (they were hot in those days). Therefore, the jacket story is just a poorly fabricated story.
          I was trying to hit the above in general terms. I do feel responsibility to defend precious sons and daughters of Eritrea who can not defend their experiences. Defending our martyrs legacy is part of delivering justice. As I said it’s my resolution to treat second issues peacefully. We will have opportunities to discuss our differences.
          WadeHanka.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,
            great ! what you posted was part of Gedli’s culture. you remind me one unforgettable experience. The fighter who try to run from Geldli was minutes away before he was dead killed as punishment in front of his the fighters )-when he was allowed to say what ever he wants. after talking for few minutes words of encouragement to continue our struggle, he took of his shirt and throw it to the crowed and said “Let the last thing I have serve my comrades” . imagine now someone leaving the world and still not forgetting he has left behind his beloved fighters – that shows how much he loved his people. I don’t really approve the death penalty but that was the instruction of those days. yes, in Gedli you own nothing, nothing at all! but unfortunately we Eritrean people were not lucky enough to have good leadership. the above experience was in Brigade 69 or 77 of ELF. I will confirm you soon before I leave for vacation.

            Yes, Mahmuday our Gedli with all it’s shortcomings was but the best Gedli history had recorded. we are all proud of our Gedli. in here our differences is narrowed.

            IA and his brothers and sisters were in Gedli. no question and no doubt ever one of us has similar story to tell. I don’t have problem with this story. but IA’s brothers and sisters were also victims of IA’s way of leading the revolution. in fact he is the victim of his own way of thinking. IA is responsible for all decisions done equal to others. that is why you read from my comments that the case is not one intellectuals case. the change needed is the change of each persons way of thinking. that is the lasting change. I don’t like to shoulder all mistakes to him or his party- he didn’t come from Mars he is one of us modified by our way of thinking. so, removing or reforming etc is not the demand of the day that we should have ….we need to change accepting our historical mistakes. is that fine Mahmuday?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Mahmuday,

      you never let me take rest. I wish you change your style. I wish just say the plain truth without trying to cover those historical mistakes. I wish you don’t use others stand as assurance or evidence what you are saying is correct.

      just because Saay7 or someone respected like him stands during that nonsense war with PFDJ does that mean the stand was correct? Look, Mahmuday it doesn’t matter who stands in one position if it is wrong it is just wrong period. can you defend that stand? you guys were chatting with your nonsense slogan but the innocent was paying his precious life. you may try to justify that war but here is the result PFDJ lost the war. Badme is under Ethiopia and in fact PFDJ is back 25KM back. and here let me assure you Badme will never be returned in PFDJ era. Saay7 has lost, PFDJ has lost. Mahmuday has lost but we the people has lost our beloved children. say sorry, Say sorry and stand with your people.

    • Amde

      Selam Mahmoud,

      I don’t think Meles’ role in the war was what you portray. If there is one thing Ethiopians of every political stripe agree on, it was that he risked all to defend Eritrea and Eritrean interests. He holds grudges for sure, and he certainly hated Isayas for having put him in that, but there was nothing of core Eritrean interest he damaged.

      For example, I have it on good authority that just prior to the last major offensive of the Badme war, the Ethiopian side had been able to infiltrate a sizeable underground force inside Asmara, ready with specific objectives and waiting for the go signal. This operation was nixed on Meles’ command, and this force had to be extracted at a not insignificant loss.

      Amde

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear amde
        Truth be told:
        1. In the nature of the start of the war, I criticize my president more than was asked of me. In short, I criticize the Eritrean government on the following:
        – The border issue should have been a priority, calls of citizens and diplomats that the situation was not sustainable should have been heeded; when provocations and harassments on the border the Eritrean government should have addressed them promptly and through official lines, including going to international forums…etc.
        – When Ethiopians occupied a chunk of Dankalia (Adi-Murug in 1997 ostensibly in the pursuit of armed bands, Eritrean government should have taken it seriously. Credible sources say that Ethiopian army was allowed, but when it refused to leave an official complaint should have been made, and internationally recognized path including UN should have been followed.
        – The Eritrean people should have been informed.
        – The political organs of the nation at that time (PFDJ-EC, National Council…) should have been informed and let them deliberate on it; and formulate a strategy of peaceful engagement…including international bodies…OAU..UN…EU…
        The above are some of the misgivings I have for the president. The second and most important is: he plunged the nation into war without doing the above mentioned steps.
        Dear amde, I said the above several times in the past years, and particularly when Semere Tesfai article was published. I also gave PMMZ for trying to give peace a chance, reportedly was voted down.
        2. My misgiving on PMMZ are the following
        – He was bullied by historic enemies of Eritrea who happened to be in the polit bureau in extending the war to regime change and capture of Assab…
        – He should stopped the war once the primary goals were met (evicting Eritrean army from Badme, the rest would have been solved through negotiation. Anyway, after all the blood spills, he agreed even to negotiate the status of Badme, Ethiopia would have fared worse in the EEBC ruling, but many lives would have been saved.
        – OK, he pressed with the war. Once Eritrea announced its acceptance, he should have stopped the war. Remember, many lives were lost in unnecessary campaigns after Eritrea had accepted the proposal. He stopped only when the three Generals commanding the three fronts told him they could go further. This is documented. He was delaying the Algerie’s agreement purposely for an expectation that he would capture Assab, and that would be the MOTHER of all bargaining chips. Assab was not captured many young lives perished from both sides.
        – Once he agreed, he should have kept his word. This is a matter of credibility. His refusal to accept the ruling without additions or subtractions added more salt to the wound as far as Eritreans are concerned, They were betrayed by successive Ethiopian rulers, starting from Minilik. He should have put an end to the conflict.
        Generally, Meles rationales are still debatable. I tend to think he was obsessed with IA, and was pushed by some Tigray politicians who had really bad wishes for Eritrea and Eritreans. They were calling openly to punish Eritreans while they owned the resource of Ethiopia. They were pushing for continuing the war, annexing Eritrea…etc. Most Eritreans were uprooted from Ethiopia simply because they voted for referendum. The passport of the owner of this website was revoked fully knowing he was against the government of Eritrea. What was his crime? He happened to be a member of the committee that conducted referendum in his locality. Therefore, what am I going to say to folks who say Meles relapsed in his life time struggle to see free Eritrea if he was punishing in the harshest way possible on the ground that people voted for the independence of Eritrea?
        I have utmost respect for the historic TPLF, for the people of Tigray and Ethiopia. Your politicians? That’s another matter. PMMZ is quoted once saying “power is sweet” when he was asked how prime minister Tamrat laine had forgotten his past commitment to the people of Ethiopia, all the camaraderie, and selflessness to end up standing accused of corruption. May be some corruption had taken in the head of PMMZ. I’ll remember him for both: the good and bad things (RIP).

        • Amde

          Well Mahmud,

          Perhaps we will never know the truth, but it is questionable just how much direct authority he had in some of these things. All the points you raised could have been stated by using the generic phrase of “the Ethiopian leadership”. I wad just talking about Meles the man. I am not a fan of the man, or the system he left behind, which is why I feel strange defending him in an Eritrean forum haha.

          Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Greetings Amde,
            1) I still have a problem with the email. Let me ask you to initiate it for me. Mine is hayatadem87@gmail.com. I really look forward to seeing myself exchanging a lot of emails with you privately.
            2) You were not defending the man (Meles); you were reporting facts.
            3) Let me tell you one thing: As a rational person, you must have been worried about the parasitic insatiability of Isayasists. It really shouldn’t matter you being Ethiopian and me being Eritrean. You and I belong to one nationality called FAIRNESS and REASON. It took me more than a month’s struggle to read Gebru’s book and it paid good. I would recommend it to everyone who would like to understand the who-was-who in EPRDF, the details of the recent war and what caused it.
            4) It sounds natural and understandable that acute Ethiopian thinkers such as yourself don’t necessarily agree on the greatness or smallness of Meles. It is the same when you you judge the man from an Eritrean perspective as well. He may have tried certain annoying things; he may tried certain great things and all pointing to a varying success and failure. I and you can say a lot within reasons on the -/+ve territories about Meles. For example, many from your side despise him for compromising too much in favor of Eritrea. many from myside accuse him for compromising too much in favor of Isayas/EPLF/PFDJ. I personally had lost my personal iconic heroes at the hands of Isayas through the help of Weyane (1990s).
            5) But I’ll say this: In terms of accommodating the Isayasists’s interest, Meles had been the most generous person the land Abyssinia has ever produced. When Isayasists, like the great Mahmuday come up and complain about Meles, you have a reason to be concerned. What they are saying is: we need more accommodation, more cows, more milking, more bullying. Even Meles was not good enough. There was one Ethiopian writer who likened Meles as a Isayas’ hen that lays golden eggs for him unfailingly every single day, but Isayas became so impatient of collecting the eggs everyday and he put the hen on an operation table to get the eggs out all at once and in the process he killed the hen.
            6) I tend to think the unlimited support he extended to Isayas, has brought so much damage on the long-term interests of the Eritrean people, consequently the current situation becoming a manifest of the horrible realities we live in today. The war itself was a direct result of the appeasements Isayas by Meles. Appeasement is the art of befriending a crocodile hoping you will be the last one to be eaten by it. Meles helped Isayas on ELF, on Sudan, on Yemen and…
            7) I always understand the great Mahmuday. His values of purpose had to be centered at EPLF, Isayas, PFDJ. BECAUSE HE HAD TO. When you touch these, you touch nerves with him. He gives it a name and a cover as if he is defending Eritrea. Eritrea can never be defended by Isayasists. Did you notice his gobez-teshamo language recently: we killed you at Badume, we killed you on the road to Assab, we killed you at the Sorona front. I saw the dead bodies of your soldiers. Try us, we’ll kill you again. It is difficult to rehablitate badly screwed minds and hearts. Mahmuday’s furry has nothing to do with the Eritrean people or the Greater Horn. You Ethiopians must give up with Isayasists or be ready to offer even a more generous cow than Meles.
            Hayat

  • Ted

    Hi Hayat. i don’t know where you learned your Tigrigna but Neqase ,in ERITREA, is a derogatory term given for people who persistently justify/defend their wrong doing/mischief. “NeqaS is a word representing a character of principledness and unswayableness” wow, where did you get that, may be south of the border;-). You can go and say all those labels to IA that it is not my place to defend him and, most importantly, was not our point of argument.The point of argument came up when we discussed him to be “ pretentious” for the way he responded to MR cohen’s article. I used the term “Neqase” to refer his denial of responsibility for Eritrean’s isolation and so forth(that Eritrea is in a cold). But as usual you poured your hearts out for the word you have no clue about to defame Ghedli and the leader who sacrificed for its success. It clearly show you are detached in Eritrean reality in so many levels.

    Do you know who would like your gibberish post, COIEritrea.

    • Hayat Adem

      Ted,
      My Tigrigna is fine and I stand not be educated by a man who grew in Qera. I am aware NeqaS is also negative, like stubbornness for a wrong reason. We have a physical river of Mereb between us, Lets not try to create a language river in between. I denied him of that word not because I thought it is a positive description but really to tell you that he is not even good enough for that. He is pretentious and and a sneak. That is the point I wanted to tell you.
      Hayat

      • Ted

        Hi Hayat, Wedi Qera, 1 ; unidentified muslim woman from Eritrea, 0. You yourself be the judge and approve the score “NeqaS is a word representing a character of principledness and unswayableness”

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Hayat:

        “My Tigrigna is fine and I stand not be educated by a man who grew in Qera. We have a physical river of Mereb between us, Lets not try to create a language river in between.”

        Hayatom, now you’re confusing me. A physical river of Mereb between who and who?

        • Hayat Adem

          Hello Semere,
          I think I have said enough on this and we should move on. We are 16yrs in to a 21st century. Mahmuday’s ears are stuck with Wedi Tikhul’s YikaAlo praise song. Now is a time of Yigermenalo. Help me in promoting new and modern ideas that would save the day for Eritrea. People are dragging us with ideas of the before-the-federation thing.
          Hayat

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat:

            You’re right; We’ve said enough for one day. Tomorrow is a brand new day. Let’s talk tomorrow about tomorrow.

            Lwam Zelewo Leyti Nkhulna.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dearest Gual Adem

            Nations care about their yesterday, today and tomorrow. There would not be today without yesterday, and there wouldn’t be tomorrow without surviving today. You care so much about your 3000 myth and Habesha stuff to deny us our yesterday!! Have a wonderful night. Here is wedi tukul with Yikaalo, and you if you think wedi Tukabo Yigermena’lo is better, try it.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bzDLiWJ50M
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qBHGZzinhE
            BruK leyti.

          • Abyssinia

            Hi Mahmud,

            “3000 myth and Habesha stuff”, Well, actually the written history of the Habesha people is more than 3000 years. But we do not expect a nomad, a camel herder, to know history. For a nomad, history starts when he is born and dies with him. Just because your history starts with you being enslaved by a white or an Arab master does not mean the history of all other people should be like yours.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Abyssinia
            Let me clarify something that’s been written clearly; there could be others who misunderstand it.
            “3000myth and Habesha stuff”
            Your comprehension skills need to improve buddy. I did not say a “3000 myth OF Habesha…”, I rather used the conjunctive word AND….
            I’m communicating with Hayat, OK, remember that.
            Hayat denies us our yesterday history, may be more 100-150 yrs since we have been established as a political entity, but she is proud to defend the 3000 myth of Ethiopianness. OK. You may tell me I’m wrong. Fair enough. Say that to the Oromos and other kingdoms which were forcibly merged to form modern Ethiopia. WodeHanka. Then I used AND to link it up with her other fallacy which narrates Eritrea as a Habesha entity; that’s you see her never mentioning the plight of other social groups, she will always talk about “we are the same people…as if all the components of Eritrea could be distilled into one culture. Remember the map that SAAY produced for her, just to make things easier. I meant that. I’m a proud Eritrean who sees Habesha as an important cultural component of my essence, although I’m born to “nomads..and camel herders” which by the way, I am so proud of, because of my background, I can tell you all the cultures and languages of that region, including your home region are spices of life for me. I’m proud of who I’m. I could feel at home anywhere in the region. So, relax.
            I hope time will teach you how to communicate. Etiquettes are important in engaging people, dear Abyssinia.
            Have a wonderful day.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Abyssinia

            When you insult Mahmud Saleh, when you insult the livelihood of Eritreans, and when you insult the history of the Eritrean people (which is a history of crimes of successive Addis regimes – not Arabs), you’re insulting us all Eritreans. If you want to blubber and dream about taking back Assab, if you want to vomit your filth, and if you want to preach your 3000 Abyssinian history to yourself…… go to your Hawzien on Line. There are many of your likes; you will fill at home there.

            If you want to be part of the intelligent discussion to bridge the gap (between the two loving people) and if you want to be part of the noble effort to heal the wounds of the past half century, apologize immediately to Mahmud Saleh and to all of us Eritreans.

            Semere Tesfai

  • V.F.

    Hey you Ethiopians and Eritreans, while the rest of the world is eating your lunch, you are refusing to talk to each other. Here is my 10-point plan to challenge Mr. Cohen’s plan.

    1. Ethiopia to abandon all its excuses and accept the EEBC ruling of April 2002 unconditionally and allow physical demarcation of the border.

    2. After demarcation, Ethiopia use Port of Assab free of charge up to a certain revenue level (and then pay fees thereafter) and Massawa for fee; thus joint sea defense system with an Eritrean as the head of the sea defense system with an Ethiopian deputy.

    Ethiopia to hire at least 50% Eritreans in its port operations and at least 25% of the trucks to be operated by Eritreans.

    3. Free border trades with the Tigray Province, from/to elsewhere in Ethiopia, impose taxes

    4. Anyone with an Ethiopian parent or Eritrean parent pick any citizenship.

    5. Allow proportional numbers of student exchanges. Visa free travels for all Eritreans and Ethiopians with a maximum stay of 1 year. Legal status required post one year.

    6. Trade in US dollars for amounts more than $300 worth (whatever the exchange rate is in both countries).

    7. A married person to an Ethiopian or Eritrean can petition after three years of marriage and granted citizenship no later than two years after filing

    8. People within 10 km of the border (one way or the other) earn dual citizenship

    9. Both countries to allow bases/offices for opposition groups so long as the opposition groups mandate is only to present a peaceful (non-armed) challenge to the respective regimes. No monetary or logistical support from the governments, only grant legal stay within its borders

    10. Each government will bind to non-interference in the other’s political spaces

    • Amde

      Selam VF,

      I like you are focusing on what I scientifically call the “post-lemboch” phase. Very good.

      Amde

    • Fnote Selam

      VF,

      Excellent start….

      FS.

    • Semere Andom

      All the ideas you forwarded are good and all doable with only a shred of will.

      But they do not address what is currently bringing the nation on the brink of collapse The
      problem they solve as good as they are, as well-meaning as they are, as sane as
      they are, right now implementing them ill not get rid of PFDJ. Actually implementing
      them will give PFDJ life line. Withdrawing from our border, the youth will not be demobilized, that will be a nightmare for PFDJ, and they will keep them there with some slavery project, so Ethiopia should just brave all the pressure and say put there
      No 1: Once PFDJ is gone this point is no brainer, the new government, if it working for Eritreans will sit with Ethiopia
      2. Ethiopia proved that it does not need Assab, it proposed without it. So maybe Abi will deported his camels to drink from Assab. But again even if the growth in Ethiopia continues and they are in need of extra access, we can implement this, no brainer for a government that has brains and works on behalf of Eritreans.
      The rest, post PFDJ are excellent recommendations for both countries and no one would have a problem with

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear V.F.

      i may have another list. but where is that Eritrean government to talk about resolution. so the job is there, come with another resolution about Eritrean internal case first. what do you think?

      • V.F.

        Hi Kokhob Selam, no question about it. This is post IA. I feel like the internal crisis within his junta group and the external isolation has got him so close to the brink of extinguishing that we can start planning for the future without him. The days when we do not have to think of IA when we speak of Eritrea will be the best days in every Eritrean alive.

        For how to bring about the needed change in Eritrea – getting rid of IA, and his enablers, and keeping the rest of the system intact for a transition period would be a good start. Then gradually get rid of the bad and keep whatever good is left. Given the enormous difficulty to uprooting the whole system, I have gradually adopted a semi-reform approach, or at least as Saay would say start with a soft landing and weed out as necessary once in position to do so. A good general and his division could take over and make sure the bad generals like Philipos get nowhere in control and then allow peaceful transfer of power to the rightful owners, the Eritrean people. I have to admit, achieving the needed change is much more difficult than laying out a good plan with Ethiopia. The Ethiopians are in Eritrean territory and going on no war no peace, not to punish the Eritrean people but IA but the side effects of that policy are causing the Eritrean people to suffer. I have full confidence that the Ethiopian government can work and negotiate, in good faith, with a publicly elected and legitimate Eritrean government. The Ethiopian government doesn’t view the Eritrean government as a legitimate and well meaning representative of the Eritrean people.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear V.F.

          Aha. you are talking about after removal of IA. okay I understand. I agree with you with most the above view except with that a semi-reform approach thing. It might be correct approach but I have doubt about it. you may have more knowledge of it and it will be good help if you explain more when you get time.

          for now, if the semi reform is agreed by you and me I think there is more job to be done the first being creating trust. Trust, is the main missing point even in opposition leave along with those who are serving PFDJ officially. How do you think we can bring back Trust? is that Albert Einstein who said “whoever is careless with truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters” and I think you agree with me those who serve PFDJ were not honest all the way to this day. In fact as you can see it by yourself those who joined opposition are not really accepting their mistakes and are playing the same game and trick of the past. help me understand how to trust and create trust among us.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear V.F.
      You are officially admitted to the TBS club. Thanks for giving me a respite. Here is my comment:
      Yes, to # 1, On #2: both ports use return to status prior to war (free access with the idea of free trade zones in mind, that will encourage capital flow from Ethiopia and other companies which could make up lost revenues from charges of the use of ports; or a prolonged progressively calculated lease, or the compensation of those services through the supply of electricity from Ethiopia… with the intent of mutual defense and security pacts under a mutually agreed upon trajectory of gradual economic cooperation and regional integration …
      #3: negotiatble
      #4: yes, Eritrea grants dual citizenship; it’s an Ethiopia issues; individuals will make their choices
      5: very important; courses pertinent to conflict resolutions, and lessons from the bloody history of both peoples are a must
      #6: negotiable
      #7; that could go with #4
      #8: that goes with rights of citizenship in both countries, it’s related to #4 and #7; but I understand there is no preferential treatment of citizens based on location or proximity….locality….
      #9: Both countries will need to allow unimpeded rights of citizens to express themselves and the rights to assemble. In that case no need of opposition from diaspora, but peaceful agitation is allowed anywhere.
      #10: agree
      OK, all the above, if they seen from today’s vantage point, seem to be products of day dreaming. What the heck if we dream sweet? I know there is a lot to be done before this type of arrangement materializes, but it’s doable. All that it takes is willing partners, and a free environment void of pressures and coercions.

      • V.F.

        Dear Mahmoud, I like your ideas and mods better than mine. It only goes to show that once we have a ‘people’s’ govt in Eritrea, we will have a lot of room and opportunities to have a peaceful and amicable coexistence with seamless borders.

    • Abyssinia

      Hi V.F,
      Mostly fair suggestion of negotiating points. I might come back to each point, time permitting. For now, I want to say that there is no reason for Ethiopia to settle for free port use. It has to claim it, by law or by force. All other points are secondary and negotiable.

      PS. You promised to come back to one question I asked you. Do you think you will still do, or have you chosen to skip it?

      • PTS

        Aby,
        No law will give Ethiopia a port. And no force works. You all had that till 24 years ago, if you remember. The only option is you have to lease. I think long term lease like 20 or 30 years is good for both of us. It brings stability and certainity. The downside to that is, there is risk Ethiopia could get so comfortable with using our ports that as time passe, no agreement will bind it. That scares me a lot.

        • Amde

          Selam PTS,

          This was a point I had not considered before. I don’t necessarily agree but thank you for bringing an original point.(at least for me)

        • AOsman

          Dear PTS,

          You may have to learn the art of exorcism 🙂 – ውጣ አልወጣም: ውጣ አልወጣም

          If the two countries can live in peace for 20 to 30 years, that is long enough for them to form a stronger bond (probably stronger that the federal arrangement in Ethiopia) and your should not fear much. Alternatively, if you think we are slow then we can look at the 50-year lease proposed by Cohen.

          Regards
          AOsman

        • House of Stark

          Hi PTS
          In court of law Ethiopia can argue for historical right to red sea.

      • V.F.

        Hi Abyssinia, your question was:

        “My question is what would have happened if the Ethiopian governments (the emperor in this case) had destroyed every bit of material Italian legacy, even if that means the complete destruction of Asmara? Do you think that would have had a dent on the course of history?”

        As you can imagine, there are so many ‘what ifs’? My biggest ‘what if’ is what would have had happened IF there was NO Eritrean armed struggle and the annexation simply accepted with no resistance, for fear or whatever reason? Although I believe the Eritrean struggle was just given the circumstances of colonial boundaries and legacies and that all the African States are a product of the 1885 Berlin Accord, I think Ethiopians and Eritreans alike would have figured away to be better off now than their current situation (had there been no armed struggle). That is my opinion and not by any means saying Eritreans fought for no reason.

        Going back to your question – I guess I could rephrase it this way:

        “What would have deterred or discouraged Eritreans from going on a 30-year armed struggle for liberation? Would leaving no traces of colonial structures have made Eritreans to think that there is no point in going out and fighting? Or if the Italians built nothing but simply looted the country’s resources and there was no trace of their 50-year presence, would Eritreans still have fought to liberate the country that resembled totally like Ethiopia of that era?” It is a very difficult question to answer. The answer would be a book’s length of speculations. But one thing to remember is the Italian colonization brought a sense of oneness of the Eritreans. Eritrea and its borders came about because of Italian colonization and Asmara is the ultimate symbol of Italian colonization. I cannot conclusively say one way or the other but it indeed played a role in the psyche of the Eritreans at that time that Asmara symbolized a more modernized and advanced people as compared to the people of feudal Ethiopia. Also remember that, there were many Eritreans in the Haile Sellassie government in somewhat high positions. I would have to think about this more carefully but the entire equation would have been very different if Asmara of 1950s resembled Addis or Bahr Dar or Dire Dawa of that time.

        If exactly as you asked the Ethiopian governments destroyed Asmara purposefully or otherwise, then independence would have come much much quicker because then the Eritrean collaborators with the Emperor (the unionist party, etc.) would have undoubtedly joined the Independence Block and deprived the emperor of any base, intelligence, or support. The Christian Highlanders would have revolted against the Emperor and made it difficult for him to annex Eritrea. Eritrean collaboration was very integral in his successful nullification of the Federal Act in the first place.

        I hope I addressed your question to your satisfaction but I am certain that there are many others who can answer such questions more intelligently.

        • Abyssinia

          Hi V.F,
          Thank you so much for reflecting on that. Very broad and thoughtful reflection.

        • AMAN

          But my question is
          What was/is wrong with Eritrean revolt while the whole Ethiopia was
          in that direction but late in informing and organizing itself into EPRPs’
          EDUs , TPLFs and OLF, ONLFs in the same direction with ELF, ELF/PLF
          AND EPLF and others later. It was only a matter of time gap but the
          whole Ethiopia was against the regime ruling Ethiopia.
          Sometimes it looks like why Eritrea became the first and started it ? right ?
          Blaming Eritrea while everyone is doing the same ?
          Actually if most Ethiopians were patriotic in a genuine way,
          they would have appreciated Eritrea for taking the lead and
          the difficult road to save Ethiopia from tyranny, backwardness
          and the situation it was in the 1960’s.

          • V.F.

            Aman, good points. Hard to argue against what you said.

      • AOsman

        Dear Abyssinia,

        It has to claim it, by law or by force.

        You are not solution focused, just antagonise Eritreans for the sake of it. Well good luck future hero with your endeavor and God save Ethiopia from the zealots. An epitaph for you somewhere in medri bahri.

        Here lies the body of Aby.
        He died maintaining his right of way.
        He was right, dead right as he rode along,
        But he is just as dead as if he were wrong.~Anonymous 20th cent. rhyme

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Abyssinia

          Hi AOsman, the gracious.
          What point is there for me in antagonizing, my brother? It is my wish and my hope that peace and fraternity comes to the people of both countries. I have suggested a solution before, a solution that I think benefits both people and that is sustainable. To save you from going and searching, it was either a confederal or a federal or some other arrangement where both people own the coastal lines. Eritrea loses nothing in this arrangement, but gains in terms of security, market access etc. Ethiopia gains too. Both people gain.

          The problem with Eritreans wanting the coastline all for themselves as a way to choke Ethiopia is unfair, unsustainable and and evil. It is like in a village that has a spring of water that is enough for everyone, but one villager wants to control the spring so he can harm the others.

          • AOsman

            Dear Abyssinia,

            There is nothing wrong with an arrangement that is confederal, federal and even union. But such move can only work and will be lasting when you do it “by consent” of the people. Isn’t it our common History when the “by law or by force” was tried that we were left with two poor nations.

            The problem with Eritreans wanting the coastline all for themselves as a way to choke Ethiopia is unfair, unsustainable and and evil. It is like in a village that has a spring of water that is enough for everyone, but one villager wants to control the spring so he can harm the others.

            This is like the Egyptians reacting irrationally about the renaissance dam on the thought that Ethiopia might close the tap for the Nile, you also have an irrational fear that Eritrean will forever shut you out from using their coastline. You really have a wrong perception of Eritreans, maybe it is a side effect from watching too much PFDJ propaganda.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abyssinia

            Hi AOsman,
            Indeed, it is lasting when you do it by consent. To use my village spring example, you would explain to the controlling villager that this is not in the interest of the common good, that this is not sustainable, that this is evil, that this is going to harm all of us, that this is about survival, about life and death. You explain to him that the spring is enough for all of us and that we can live in peace, happiness, and harmony. We can develop it together, share its water together and safeguard it together from any encroachment.

            When the controlling villager refuses to understand the concerns of the rest of the villagers, and instead sees the benefits he can earn by charging them for the water or by controlling their life line, what option do the rest of the villagers have? Should they die, or live in a humiliating condition of succumbing to the exploitation of the controlling villager? I think they should stand up to secure their survival, even if that means death and war. So you see, AOsman, no one wishes death and destruction, but when one is bent on causing harm, war becomes the only way to defend your honor, your dignity and your survival.

    • tes

      Dear V.F.,

      You know what your gambling nature has always spoiled your political arguments. I will come you back soon with exhaustive counter arguments.

      tes

    • Nitricc

      Hi VF; well at least the old man pushed you to try something different. However your so-called solution is nothing but nuisance. For the religious person like you, it looks like a solution to the problem but digging deeper; it is catastrophic in the making.
      If anything to work the following will be the way to go
      1) Ethiopia will leave immediately the Eritrean land according the EEBC, no less any more. Just as the court rendered.
      2) Ethiopia immediately will holt the construction of the dam.
      3) Egypt and Eritrea negotiate the port fee for Ethiopia to use; a fee with down to the penny will be paid by Egypt.
      4) Sudan will electrify every house hold in entire Gojjam; the house of Abay; with clean solar energy.
      5) Sudan to let Ethiopia use the port of Sudan whenever Ethiopia wants to use it-Free! Giving the distance I doubt Ethiopia will use the port that often, but if Ethiopia wants it; the option should be there.
      6) The borders of Ethiopian and Eritrea should be closed and any visiting should be with passport like any other country. If you want to work in Eritrea; you should have work permit and register; the same thing for Eritreans want work in Ethiopia.
      7) Reject the idea of dual citizen in its entirety. If you wanna be Ethiopian god blesses you and if you wanna be Eritrean welcome.
      8) Each government mined their own business.
      9) Let’s learn what got us in to this mess in the first place. The Truth is Ethiopians will never compute with Eritreans in a free market. The Eritreans will dominate and the Ethiopians will cry foul and here you have it, back to conflict.
      10) Respect peace!

      • Hayat Adem

        Nitricc,
        Honestly, I am impressed. Seeing you contributing new inputs to considerations being developed is like watching a seedling growing to be a tree. Please, don’t get me wrong, I am saying this in the most positive way I never have said about you, and I believe you deserve it this time. Please, come with more of such stuff.
        Hayat
        I endorse the approach, not the specification in itself.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Hayat thanks for the good words. Appreciated! Once we agreed on the main approach; the specifics are not big deals. If the whole region to be at peace; I believe the above approach are the solution.

      • Dis Donc

        * compete
        * be able to compete

        • Nitricc

          Hi Dis Donc; lol thanks for the corrections. Some times spelling is overrated. If what I am saying is understood is the point. Thanks though.

          fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too. Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno’t mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.. Azanmig huh?
          yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!

          • Dis Donc

            Dear nit,
            nice come back!

          • Ted

            Hi Nitricc, it is aimzang how the wrods are all scarmbled and can read it esialy.Aamznig iended.
            You made the aotucorrect Dis Donc out of job;-)

    • tes

      Dear V.F.,

      Here I am then:

      1. Ethiopia’s abandoning of the excuses is not a solution rather a hindrance to later diplomatic ties. What Ethiopia should be ruled by is “Eritrea is a sovereign country”. Everything it does should be centered from this perspective. Ethiopia has already accepted the EEBC ruling. What remains is border demarcation. And for this who cares except the disgraced PFDJ for the sole reason of keeping Eritrean people as hostage of this political propaganda. What is ruled by EEBC is final and Eritreans know exactly where their land boundary is located.

      2. There is no free lunch. You know that. And to use Assab, Ethiopia should follow international rules and agreements. Whether the border is demarcated or not Ethiopia can use the port if it obeys the terms of agreements as port of sovereign country. Just like that of Djibouti and Somalia. Assab is potentially the most to be used port by Ethiopia and the payment can be profitable even if it is one of the lowest payment in the world to Eritrea. The revenue therefore can be negotiated on a long term bases which can benefit the people of both countries for the centuries ahead.

      Securing the Red Sea falls in the hands of Eritrea. Like all maritime lines the international community has an obligation to protect the trade lines and so is Ethiopia. Above all Eritrea is member of AU and AU has obligation in securing the territory of its member countries. Ethiopia’s role should therefore be looked from this perspective.

      50% to be hired bla bla is just a joke. If the two countries are open to global market any company that provides at the lowest price possible for transporting commodities (to and fro) is welcome to give the required service. Open biding should be governing system not the quota or coupon system. If profitable why not even companies who are coming as far as New Zealand. Giving transport service should be left for those who can give the best service at a minimum price possible.

      3. Why only free border trade with Tigray? We should not be blind within this Tigray black-box concept; Tigray is part of the Ethiopian territory and should be seen from that angle. What you are missing here is AU and IGAD have much broader vision than you proposed. Lets think from that perspective. Tigray-Eritrea is very narrow concept.

      It is very discriminatory to impose tax on other Ethiopian regions while making free for Tigray. It is unacceptable, unsustainable and unwise point even to entertain. We should engage Ethiopia at a national level.

      Your third point is just of these narrow minded people and I reject it without even further explanation.

      4. Citizenship should not be limited on parenthood though family background can be one criteria. It must be left on respective’s individual’s choice. As far as the constitution of the given country permits (I hope Eritrea to have soon) any person from all over the world should have equal privilege to acquire citizenship just like the rest of world countries. In short the minimum requirements for citizenship should be fulfilled and must be open to all world community.

      Citizenship should not be a privilege but a status to be acquired once the requirements are fulfilled. This implies even an Ethiopian(in his father-line and mother-line) can have equal opportunities with one who has a father Ethiopian or a mother Ethiopian.

      The most important point that need to addressed is:

      There is big difference between nationality and origin. For example: one can have an Eritrean origin but not necessarily to be Eritrean. In fact this is the most disillusioned word among the diaspora people.

      If you need more explanation on these terms I am available. Just make a click.

      5. Student exchange??? This is funny statement. First and foremost educational place should depend on student’s choice. What each country should do is building high quality educational system for its people. Then people should have a choice from the provided educational institutions. Not only between two countries but all over the world. A given country should put any imposition on its people where to study or what to study. In short there should be FREEDOM of choice.

      Ok, if each country is providing scholarship, that is different. Suppose Eritrea can provide scholarship for 500 Ethiopians based on her financial strength for her own benefits*, Eritreans should not expect proportional scholarship opportunities for Eritreans by Ethiopian government. rather it should be left on the strategic interest of Ethiopia to provide scholarship to Eritreans. Who knows Ethiopia might not have any interest of educating Eritreans through her educational system.

      *To provide educational opportunities for other citizens is producing active ambassadors. If Eritrea teaches 500 Ethiopians and these Ethiopians went back home for sure they will be great ambassadors of Eritrea in Ethiopia throughout their carer life. This is what an exchange program silent objective is.

      What is most important here is: those students who finish their education in respective countries should have a legal right to work and live in the country they study at least for a minimum agreed years. this can help the students to enrich their professional and life experiences. And if they get a permanent job then they should have rights of “Foreign workers”.

      6. Trade in US dollars? Not important. What the two countries should introduce is a free money exchange program. Anyone who trades can then have an opportunity to exchange his money on what ever he wants. Therefore the most important issue is building Money Exchange Institutions. And all should be privately run.

      At government level, for example paying port revenue, the two countries can use what’s ever they agreed up on. These days there are at least three competing currencies in the world market: Dollar, Euro and Yuan (RMB – of Chinese). And who knows AU might come with his own currency system like that of EU.

      The solution is therefore building monetary system and introducing free monetary exchange systems.

      7. See my response on citizenship application requirements.

      8. No dual citizenship based on land distance. Each people in respective sovereign countries should be treated as different citizens.

      9. I agree with you.

      10. I agree with you.

      A critical observation: overall your points are of short-time crisis management. Aha the hopeless Mizaan. Come out from the limited box you live in and think beyond.

      tes

  • Ayneta

    Awate:
    I appreciate your analysis. However, I don’t understand how you are trying to bring Christianity into your analysis. Your afterthought largely dwells on emphasizing the atrocities perpetuated by Christians on the Jews. The lose connection you tried to build between Christianity and the Jews holocaust in your afterthought is rather lazy and unfounded. There is no definitive proof that Hitler killed all the Jews because he considered himself a Christian.
    Having said that, thank you for bringing the topic to our attention for discussion.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Selam AT,

    I think a small correction is needed here, on what you quoted from Saay’s article:

    It is written “He comes from a period of time where American diplomats had no compulsion about advising an African country to annex another African country as he, admittedly, did in advising Senegal to annex The Gambia.” A google look up of the term “compulsion” returns a meaning “an irresistible impulse to act, regardless of the rationality of the motivation”, hence the term should not be preceded by the negation “no”,in order to send the intended message.

    Also I found this sentence a bit contadictory: “He wanted the Derg forces to remain in control while Eritrean forces to enter Asmara.”

  • Ted

    Hi All,

    Mr. cohen is the slickest US diplomat of the Horn with a mission who took it upon himself to have Eritrea and Ethiopia under USA command . In short, If he doesn’t get Eritrea under direct influence of Ethiopia, he wants Eritrea in a leash to have the same geopolitical policy to that of Ethiopia and USA. It takes two to tango that he knows the TPLF gov is not popular enough for his plan and ,most importantly, the animosity between the Ethiopia and Eritrea is too strong to let him have his way of rapprochement. As in the article “ bring back from cold” He picked the “lesser evil” of the two that he unceremoniously goes to smooth talking Eritrea until opportunities arise-(we know he can be evil if we let him). It is because he understands time is not in his side for US’s forceful grip on Eritrea to have an effect in this fast changing world( Red sea to Arabs). From his past history, Eritrean-Ethiopian war and then after, IA knows where Mr Cohen’s heart is;Ethiopia. If so, why would Eritrea cosy up with him knowing him well? simple; first they want to wedge conflict between USA/Suzan rice and TPLF and secondly they want a breathing space from US attack and sanctions. He goes as far as complementing Eritrean leadership and defending the undefendable to get in the good side of gullible PFDJ supporters while knowing it well he is offending the oppositions (does he look like he cares?). What is standing in his way is the Suzan Rice group’s “IA must go” attitude who left no stone unturned to see Eritreans give up their aspiration as a country.

    In all these, Poor oppositions are lost in these political acrobat between the reckless Suzan rice and the mischievous Cohen.

    The article “Read sea slipping to Arab” is from point of frustration that current US policies left Eritrea free to choose its own partner and allie without their approval. Eritrea is not immuned from what is happening in the world and especially within its neighbors like Saudi Arabia and Yemen. All has been rumored the alleged Eritrea’s link with from Israel, Iran, Russia… but for the first time Eritrea has joined the Arab coalition against terrorism. If US supports this coalition why is Mr cohen complaining about. The title of “Read sea slipping to Arabs” article should be written as “Ethiopia left out in the cold and i don’t like it”

    PS. Ethiopians jumping on Awate’s team article for stating what “Abisnya” means is misdirected attack. As we all know Abyssinia is part of history with its loose definition encompassing Eritrea and Ethiopia regions which is completely different from current Ethiopia as we know it. Mr. Cohen has used it to his advantage to show the closeness of the two nations as oppose to Eritreans to the Arabs, so he can justify his skewed policy against Eritrea . No one denies we are closer than Arabs in any form of characterization but Geopolitical policies have nothing to do with blood line or roots. The smarter thing to do is to ask Cohen to drop the “Abyssinian” term that it is has not merit or positive implication uniting all Ethiopians. But as usual, if it is directed against Eritrea, everything is halal.

    • Hayat Adem

      Ted, what does it take to understand the guy’s motive is money for lobbying service? If you bend down to pick a a dollar note from a ground, why would want to me to think you were doing it to what is under while the visible motive would be the money itself? Please, keep it simple.
      Hayat

      • Ted

        Hi Hayat, i take your recommendation for the new year resolution to heart that i will be to the point and if you can help it, be balanced with your view on TPLF Gov.
        Why money be the incentive? No, because when i send a lobbyist in my behalf; i ask them to deliver the good words to my opponents but not insult them(as he did to Suzan Rice) secondly, he wouldn’t antagonize the one who is paying him; that is IA.. He squarely put the blame on IA as a hindrance for any rapprochement. You heard how IA reacted for the article ” Bring Eritrea out of the cold “

        • Hayat Adem

          Ted,
          What made you think IA’s reaction to Coehen’s article was not a pretentious one, something he is very good at?

          • Ted

            Hi Hayat,not him, more like ነቃጽ. It takes politician and calculating To be pretentious , Like PMMZ, unfortunately Eritrea has no luck.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ted, you brought it on to your self lol. Why mention the dead midget master of her?
            Lol, I have never seen one liner comment causing 10 pages of lies and outrages. You deserve it my friend. Lol.

          • Ted

            Hi Nitric, i know i rocked her boat when i mentioned PMMZ. What do you call the person who kick you out for disliking your eye color to come back to say i care for you. PMMZ picture should be next to the word pretentious.

          • Yoty Topy

            Hi Hayat,

            This probably should be directed to the authors but I too did not grasp the logic behind IA’s reasoning to undermine his own lieutenant’s effort to reach out to Herman Cohen. It seems unnecessary redundancy or was it the case of an overzealous diplomat trying to impress his boss?

          • Abi

            Hi Yoty
            I think he is marking up Eritrean value first and later negotiate for a discounted price. He is like a sleazy real estate agent. You know how they play the game. He promises higher sale price than the house is worth.
            ” A sought after neighborhood “, great schools, minutes from the highway, shopping, etc, etc. Price gone up through the roof just to put another sign 3 months later that says ” huge price reductions!”
            Anyway, an encouraging start.

  • Mahmud Saleh

    .Selam All
    So, once again the Red Sea is the talking point, not Meqele, Addis…or Borona (I like the name Borona, I don’t know why). So, here, under the dark sky, below the sagging clouds, I am contemplating. I’m contemplating for the future of the peoples of this region we call “The Horn”, or particularly about the two not-so=wondmamoch peoples of the two Es. I have two heavy Gabis brought from Addis and given to me by my good friend Balachew, and I do have two handsomely made Chiras brought from the depths of Seraye, given to me by my other good friend Letenchiel. I have my Alat boon (coffee kit) given to me by my mother-in-law. However, all the above tools ask for leisure time, and I don’t have it. So, they are in the closets. I use them occasionally when the clouds let up; there are no flies, but tradition demands that I use the Chira. Gabi is a must have thing in the climate where I live ( when the thermostat hits 70 degree, my sinus allergy kicks in (HaTshew….fifffff). Therefore, I’m grateful to my friend Balachew. He gets me Habesha spices and Gabi, and I honor him with my Eritrean MetaHt hospitality. He does his Esksta and I do my Tigre sword dance, my wife is good with her shelil dance….We are fine; he was in Huletegna abyotawi serawit, ye megenaNa mekonen (Ethiopian second revolutionary army, which was stationed in Eritrea and which had seen what destruction could be), and I was there some where….yes, somewhere….God knows how many good people finished each other before knowing they would/could have been the best friends in the world. Only God knows. But we are fine, our children grow up together, and we alternate in picking and dropping them off at school….taking them to activities…..we both benefit; an incredible example of coexistence and interdependence.

    Coming to AT article:

    The crazy guy from Kuwait is just delusional and most serious news readers and keen observers who follow developments around that area know he is full of shxt. His propaganda is meant for ignorant crowds. However, we have had Eritreans of the same class right amongst us. Among them is Ustaz Bashir Ishaq, the foreign officer of the Eritrean Democratic Alliance (if you don’t know who this group is comprised of, don’t worry. You are not alone. I had to google it). The problem is: the echoes it makes when said by a prominent Eritrean are way louder and with a far reaching reverberations. The following are quotes from brother Ishaq (zeyHlelo), I think he made it to a Saudi Arabian paper “AlwaTan” and then many outlets copied and pasted it, making it, at one time, the most buzzed “news” and emboldening others for throwing anything bad in order to starve and kill the host (Eritrea) in their attempts to getting rid of the pathogen (injustice/pfdj…). This was part of the “We can not do it alone, the world must solve our problems…” strategy, a strategy that has given up on the primary subjects (the people). It was part of the fabricated “news” generated in the campus of Addis/MeQele Rumor Mills. Prior dispatches of these rumor mills include the allegation that Eritrea was fighting along side Alshabab (it allegedly sent a 2000 soldier strong regiment…), how about the “news” which alleged Eritrea’s dispatch of an army led by a General in order to save Gadafi? That was hilarious. Wasn’t it? Coming to our Dr.Al-Nefisi (aka Bashir Ishaq):

    “Iranian ships and submarines have deployed an undisclosed number of Iranian
    troops and weapons at the Eritrean port town of Assab, according to opposition
    groups, foreign diplomats, and NGOs in the area”.

    “November
    2009
    Bashir Ishaq, an Eritrean opposition in charge of foreign relations for the
    Eritrean Democratic Alliance claimed that “there is a training camp for
    Houthi-supporting forces, with Iranian support and oversight, in the Dengolo
    region east of the city of Ginda’ [some 30 km northeast of Asmara, the Eritrean
    capital].” Ishaq went on to warn against “the dangerous dimensions of
    the recent Iran-Eritrea cooperation, which constitutes a threat to the general
    security of the region and its countries.” He added, “Iran has goals
    and interests that it is striving to achieve, as part of a strategy to expand
    its influence in the Red Sea region.”

    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234970967-iran-is-expanding-its-activity-in-the-red-sea/

    “AnEritrean opposition leader accused Iran of using the Eritrean territories as a
    base for transferring arms to Houthi elements in Yemen on Sunday.
    Basher Esheq, an official in the Eritrean Democratic Alliance, told AFP in an
    interview that the Houthi rebels receive weapons from Iran through Eritrea;
    which is located close to the Yemeni-Saudi Arabian Western cities.

    Basher added that the Iranian weapons arrive to Eritrea’s coastal towns, particularly
    Assab City then Houthis deliver those weapons at night to Yemen.”
    http://yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=3&SubID=1548&MainCat=3

    The Iran, Houthi…debacle starts here. This is important because an Eritrean politician is quoted. If it was Dr.Al-Nifisi of the Kuwait type, probably the rumor would not make it outside the traditional circle of Arabs that throws anything aweful to the Israelites, even a naturally occurring hiccup that they caused onto themselves by eating a spiced up camel barbecue.

    The second and most important is that of Mr.Mzungu. Herman Cohen is acting like my 11 years old adventurous and mischievous son, honestly. The man is too shallow, and really condescending of the highest order. He is trying to solve an extremely convoluted and an immensely complicated matter by his sweet talk!!! A man who made all the complications should have known how to undo them, but this rule does not apply to the types of our Mzungus. The types of Hank Cohen have fattened their resume in keeping regimes such as Mobuto SeSeSeko of Congo by brutally killing the first democratically elected Patrice Lumumba, and regimes around the world similar to it. They know how to complicate things. disentangling what they complicated puts them out of business. Therefore, once things are tightly entangled, they disfigure the key to the problem.

    Before I go to criticizing Mr. Mzungu, let me comment on AT’s take. You spent time and space on the Abyssinia thing rather than attacking his political and legal misadventures. When he says Abyssinians, it’s all clear that he is talking as if Eritrea does not exist. For instance, look at this:
    “..[…]..While you are wasting time squabbling with each other and not talking to each other, the governments of the Arabian Peninsula are eating your lunch….I think it is time for Abyssinians to take back control of the west bank of the Red Sea before it is too late..{….” He is telling the Ethiopians to roll north to reclaim their western banks of the Red Sea. Case closed. Eritrea does not exist in his mind, otherwise, he would know by leasing our ports, Eritreans are eating their lunch. He is telling the Ethiopians that they are left out…..

    More on Mr. Mzungu:
    – Establishment of security control and the exploitation of resources in the Red Sea will be joint.
    -Eritrea and Ethiopia will jointly negotiate Red Sea security agreements with Arab countries bordering on the water way.
    – Eritrea and Ethiopia will jointly guarantee the security and neutrality of the State of Djibouti.
    The above lines clearly show Mr. Herman Cohen (Mzungu) is trespassing redlines. Eritrea is endowed with 1000kmts long coastal line, and hundreds of islands which make its claim deeper in the Red Sea. We can only ask God why a tiny Eritrea is blessed with this large mass of water while locating Ethiopia the mammoth effectively landlocked. Eritrean waters and coastal lines are strictly Eritrean. Ethiopia could benefit from them, thereby benefitting both peoples only if Ethiopia drops off its maddening obsession of subjugating Eritrea. Yes, we can have security arrangements in all areas, not particularly around the issue of the Red Sea basin, because that territory is seen by Eritreans like any other territory…like Badme…Sahel…Seraye…Dankalia….etc. The security of the Red Sea primarily concerns claimant countries: Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Dgibouti, Eritrea, and the Sudan. Again, Ethiopia would be accepted as a neighbor with potential influence, but that is not going to be at the expense of Eritrea’s sovereign control of its territory. In short, Ethiopia could coexist with or displace any other relations only if it plays by the rules. It has no natural claim on the Red Sea to be consulted as to with whom Eritrea does relations. They can come and benefit only if they come with good intentions… knock on the door, announce who they are…and then enter when they let in (credit for the last sentence goes to Gen. SebHat Efrem); not through intimidations and blackmailing as their PM has been repeating lately. And I’m ashamed that we did not take the PM seriously and talked about his pronouncements…We can be credible only through our stances and practices. When Ethiopian leaders jump on sovereign issues, we should remind them that we Eritreans are all united on matters that are related to national security. As usual, my comment does not mix internal politics with international relations. Our domestic politics should not diminish our senses from grasping the consequences that might come from interplaying international elements that will affect us all.
    Happy New year
    Welcome Gual Adem. I see you invoking “Awet nHafash” a reminder of your chitchat with tegadalay Mola Asghedom. You iverted the ! symbol, which is characteristic of our relations with our brothers in the wayanay camp; everything has been inverted. Welcome again.
    I’m succumbed to the annual cold/flu….I might have repeated things or disjoined ideas…for that I ask your compassion

    • Hayat Adem

      Hello Mahmuday,
      Thanks for welcoming me back. Oh, the flu! It is showing up in your note. It takes a spring season to rediscover the Mahmuday I would vote for to be my PM. It is shortest season of the year though.
      Hayat

    • Ted

      Hi the greatest MS, it is good hateta, more power to the flu.

    • Hope

      Well said Vet Mahmud-without bias and prejudice!
      I guess you indirectly clarified the reason behind SAAY’s retirement from the AT!
      Here is why:
      As you nailed it well,rather than wasting time about Hitler trying to wipe out the Jews in the name of Christianty,which never was the case;and rather than wondering around the bushes about Dr x and Y,the AT should have focused,in my opinion ,on the following FACTS on the ground that:

      -The threats and rhetoric against the ERITREAN Sovereignty by Abyssinian Gov or the TPLF GOV!

      -Rebut and refute the false claims against Eritrea by the Mercenary Sell Out Ishaq Beshir ,acting and talking on behalf of the same TPLF Gov!

      -Clearly state against the TPLF Threat against the Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity ,irrespective of who is ruling Eritrea!

      -About Eritrea’s National Security Interest,irrespective of who is ruling Eritrea!
      It needs a Gut and Courage and Genuine Patriotism to do so but have not seen it yet the way I would like to see it!
      I could talk more but…

      My point the AT:

      Why are YOU silent or indifferent about the TPLF Threat and Rhetoric against Eritrea’s :
      1)Sovereignty,

      2)Territorial Integrity

      3)and National Security Interest!

      Please,be so kind not tell me that the PFDJ is the main Threat to Eritrea!

      I” know” that!

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Selam Hope
        Thanks, just a correction: There is nothing that I have clarified with regard to Saleh Younis’ departure from the AT. I’m not privileged to know more than what he made public ( ትኾርምየኒ ኢለካ). But he was generous in explaining the reason why he left, on the top of the list of REASONS: establishing a movement to ban Tigrayt sword dance (the next move may be banning blini famfam/harmonica, so watch out). And then you have the Great Eritrean Novel. Stay tuned, another twgaH’mo is in the making.

    • tes

      Dear Mahmud Saleh,

      I always wonder the failure of EPLF leadership to accommodate diversity of political school of thought. I deeply feel the pain of our Martyrs on how they are betrayed by these coward leaders who later became greedy on power mongering.

      Had the Second EPLF Congress Amendments and resolutions were implemented, we could have a different course of history.

      1994 Congress was a disaster. Instead of approving the 2end EPLF congress and opening a door to Multi-Party System, PFDJ was born. And here we are today.*

      Aha, Contemplating on the missed opportunities.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7uGfEJzBaI

      For sure Nitricc will jump. But hey I am talking by going back to 1987. Almost 30 Years back – 2017 (a supposed yr where PFDJ is preparing for his Zero Congress).

      Did we say, 30 yrs war was bitter and long journey. Oh, 30 years gone bitterly in search of FREEDOM.

      FREEDOM is much bigger than Liberation.

      Just a reminder of People’s force and reminding of leadership failures

      tes

    • Fnote Selam

      Hi Mahmud,

      I think the PM is talking in terms of risks of empowering IA to instigate military confrontation with Eth. And I think that is valid concern. As I have said before, although how the arms sanctions came about is very sketchy, i still maintain that it helped tame IA.

      That is not to say other ethiopians are not overstepping in trying to dictate eri’s national interest.

      BEst,

      FS

  • tes

    Dear Readers,

    There is new developments going on around.

    Bahrein, The Emirates and Sudan closed their embassy in Iran after Saudi Arabia.

    News from France24 (Sorry it is in French)

    http://www.france24.com/fr/20160104-arabie-saoudite-bahrein-emirats-ruptures-diplomatique-ambassadeur-teheran-iran?ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_source=FB&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=editorial&aef_campaign_ref=partage_aef&aef_campaign_date=2016-01-04

    tes

    • Ayneta

      Tes:
      I hope Saudi and Iran will beat each other until they score a learning point. They are two of most repressive regimes in the world. Worst, they use religion to justify their atrocities. Saudi is ruled by royal families which artificially use religion to terrorize their neighbors, subjugate women to the level of mute objects, spread an extreme form of Islam etc. Iran which is ridiculously led by a lazy guy who considers himself the supreme leader (Supreme leader, really?) is entirely run by bunch of clerics who would use religion to suppress anything out of their prescribed form of life.
      Most surprising is these two countries claim they practice Islam and yet they couldnt use the same religion to mend their relations. Let them taste what it means to export tortures to other countries

  • Senay Selam

    I think leasing Asseb to Saudi Arabia is a good move. It is only a matter of time before Ethiopia makes a military move to annex Asseb so they will be dealing with the Saudis and won’t be bothering us. It should have been a lease for 100 years. By then the saudis would have invested so much in Asseb, it would be like taking the ports of Jeddah. Saudi will not pack up and go without a war.

    • Kim Hanna

      Senay Selam,
      .
      I don’t want to be misunderstood. I don’t agree with you, but I have a great deal of respect for you. It doesn’t take you a whole page to advance your take. I have to appreciate honest people. You are a solid human being and I commend you for it.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Hope

        Dear KH:
        ….coz Eritrea, as an Independent Nation,HAS the RIGHT and the OBLIGATION to do so what she feels to be the BEST for her INTEREST!

        BTW,contrary to your assertion,Eritrea has remained an Independent Nation and will remain so,no matter what!

        Your TPLF Gov left no stone unturned including all kinds of evil deeds under the SUN to weaken and DESTROY Eritrea ,directly and by proxy with the full back up of the Western Powers and the Zionist State!

        Hence,it is ONLY natural for Eritrea,as a matter of fact,an issue of survival and existence,to do what is the BEST for her,to exist and survive,not just to defend her self!
        Admit it that everything has been the making of your short-sighted TPLF Gov!

        In the event,if you still believe in subjugating Eritrea and in taking over Aseb,you are WELCOME Big Bro!

        But,read history !
        “Those,who attempted to kill Eritrea and ERITREANS ,are either DEAD for G O O O D and/or ,are DYING and will keep DYING!”
        Courtesy of Ato Yemane Ghebre’Ab!

        As the famous Ethiopian/Oromo Evangelical Minster in Washington ,D.C.,/MD,said it honestly ,the best remedy and solution is to ask ERITREANS for FORGIVENESS and Reconciliation and move on and live in Peace with each other;and everything else will come and follow suit naturally!

        In the event:

        If you choose BULLYING and Threats against Eritrea,Menghedi Cherki Yigberelkum,as your DEAD for GOOD PMMZ(RIP) said it!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Senay Selam,
      are you saying , Let Saudi’s fight with Ethiopians? what is happening to you? are you saying there is no more better solution in solving Assab’s case? Why you want to see Saudis fighting instead of solving it your Self? when are we going to think of solving our internal problems in correct way?

      again do you forgot PFDJ don’t have any legal reason and ground to sale or lease one inch land to others? do you forget Assab is Eritrean port and Ethiopians can’t take it by force? we should start to think our problem is not in Ethiopia or Jeddah or in any other part of the world but right in Asmara. we need to have a representative government who cares about the people and the land.

      • Senay Selam

        Selam Kokhob – I’m just being pragmatic. Last time we had a war, if it wasn’t for Meles they would have overtaken Asseb. I know they will come back again for it so this time we should be smart and let the Saudis go to war for us 😉

  • Abyssinia

    Hi people,
    The sinister motive of the awate team is what can be described as ‘ደርሆ ፊሒራ ትረኽቦ’. The entire motive of this article is to deny any commonality in name between the people of Ethiopia and Eritrea. You know what they say, give two people different labels and they will dig their differences; give them a common label, they will search for similarities. The wate team is working day in day-out to keep the people of Ethiopia and Eritrea away from having any commonality be it in name or history. It even goes further to read Abyssinian Muslims and Christians in “hey Abyssinians …”. Shameful! Not everyone has polluted minds as yours! Only the uninitiated will fail to read between the lines and see the divisive and sinister motive of this article.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Abysinnia; What I don’t get is this. there was Ethio-Eritrea conference few months back and someone suggested that 65% of the Ethiopian youth is born after Eritrean independence. My point is they probably feel what I personally feel. I don’t have any special feeling when I think of Ethiopia. True, when it comes to Ethiopia, I see beautiful people with beautiful land, with amazingly beautiful women and incredibly stupid leaders. I don’t have any other different feeling. So, the point is that we are two countries with two different people. There is the reason we have two different flags and forms of government. i.e. what is the harm if AT approached the situation as it is in reality and on the ground.
      Hailesilase forced the Eritreans to ignite a struggle for independence.
      Derg forced the Eritreans to fight to the better end.
      TPLF is making sure to break and destroy any bond with those two people that were existed. If you are paying attention with what is going on, Eritrea is pushed by TPLF further to the Arabs hand.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Nitricc,
        “Eritrea is pushed by TPLF further to the Arabs hand”. TPLF pushes, TPLF pulls. This is the 2nd wave of TPLF-induced continental drifting. Eritrea missed the bus on the 1st continental drift that happened hundreds of millions years ago.

      • Abyssinia

        Hi Nitricc,
        First off, I am amazed at your decent and humble comment. Thank you for not being a jerk this time. The hope that Ethiopians will forget Eritrea is not correct. Ordinary people might not have any feelings towards Eritrea, however the elite will always have issues with Eritrea for it is about survival and security. Do not believe that the young will not have anything to do with Eritrea; I myself am a young man raised and educated by EPRDF and there are many more like me. Also, just remember that even if 90% of the population forgets Eritrea, and 10% does not, that means about 10 million people, way more than the entire Eritrean population.

        In my comment, I am not talking about AT team addressing Ethiopia and Eritrea as two countries. They are two countries, at least for now, and they shall be addressed as such. I am talking about the evil motive of the AT team to incite division along religious and race lines when there is nothing like that in Cohen’s recommendations. That to me is evil on par with the biblical evil.

        Also, to focus on just the name rather than the substance, and to bring an obscure ‘Dr.’ from somewhere to appear balanced and rational is just contemptible. Between the lines and in what is not said, I read the happiness of the awate team at the fact that Eritrea is sold to the Arabs, but they lack the virility, the ball, to say it out loud. Instead they go beating around the bush and concocting non-exiting issues endlessly just to cover that up. That fraudulent character is distasteful.

      • Dis Donc

        *bitter end.

  • Eyob Medhane

    Awate,

    Well..Herman Cohen is….how do I put it politely, eh….kind of crazy, so I have no arguments with you there…

    Here is my beef with you, though,

    You constantly ON PURPOSE miscount, discount, disregard throw away a big chunk of the Habesha population of Ethiopia. The last census (2007) put one of the people you AT WILL disregarded here, the Gurage people one of the central parts of Habesha, at 6, 867,377. That is a whole lot more your highland Christian population. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurage_people And then there is the Harari people, the Argoba people…and a whole lot more Habeshas that you miscounted just for the sake of dismissing who they are and disregarding their impact. And that is a shame….

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Awate Team,
    1) I’m sure you are aware of the fact that the term Abyssinia and Abyssinians are very fluid and at times elastic. It is not an ideology or doctrine that calls for any sort of alignment or nonalignment. It is a fluid map of land and people. You, Awate, are giving it a definitively minimalist map while Cohen is assuming the minimalist one. Many historians, specially those who wrote before WWII, refer to Ethiopia and Eritrea in-one as the land of Abyssinia. It really doesn’t matter if one associates or disassociates with this map. It seemed to me you are stretching it beyond what is sensible when your entire article is fixated with Cohen’s addressing the two peoples as “Hey Abyssinians”, and cared less on the content of his recommendations.
    2) It is clear that you are pushing back on the old divide and you sound saying “every time you try to tell us to turn our face south, we push back by looking more into the east”. That makes me really crazy because I am a person who wants to anchor my views on realism (threat and opportunity) than sentiment (perception and misperception). Eritrea had a shared yesterday with Ethiopia, for better or worse. Eritrea should look for a better shared future with “Abyssinia” than with any other country and society in the neighborhood. It makes me crazy because you are not rationalizing and telling us how east is better than south; or how today’s south can not be better than yesterday’s south. Do we want Eritrea to build its future on trade and market or on security and war? What role can Eritrea has in building cooperation with the rich Arabs other than serving them as foot soldiers and earn dirty money from leasing our blood? Assab can be leased to Ethiopians for economic services and purposes. All other forces can only lease it for non-economic purposes and temporary interests. And that must not be okay.
    3) On Mzungu Cohen and nifus Al-Nafisi: it might seem on the surface as if you were bringing both as extreme view-point owners which not good for Eritrea. I am not a fun of Cohen and I don’t like the man and his current posture on using Eritrea as a harvesting field of his retired brain. But it is obvious, that you have been writing a lot of articles on Cohen and the other Kuwaiti guy is brought today for equipoise. Looking deeper though, it is clear al-Nafasi is brought to alarm readers of his claim of Israeli presence, and Cohen to alarm readers of his interest to encourage Eritrea normalize relations with Ethiopia. Both accounts are about alarming readers of the risk of Eritrea going to non-Arab partnership.
    4) I recall your other analysis of trying to downplay the lease of the Assab coast to UAE and KSA contrary to the Stanford account on the issue. You said then how Eritrea is falsely described to be the host of different forces. Every time, some reports come on the drifting of Eritrea towards the Arab world, you are quick to push back with counter accounts.
    5) Eritrea is an independent nation now, and nobody is challenging that standing now. But like any independent nation, Eritrea has to sort its priorities of relationships and interests. It is based on its priorities that it advances and dictates its cooperation and partnership with others. It is all about one’s own natural niche and rules of political selection. Awate Team, as rational thinkers, which I believe you are, I want to ask you straight questions: what is your beef on every bit of such efforts that encourage Eritrea for rapprochement with Ethiopia? Do you believe Eritrea would be better of by distancing itself from Ethiopia? Do you recognize the special setting, a kind of natural thralldom between Ethiopia and Eritrea, I call it “the interdependence curse”? Do you consider yourself as working towards realization of this natural setting?
    Respectfully,
    hayat

    • Guest

      I think you should stop reading the “3,000” bogus history invented by the Amhara historians.

      Peace.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Guest,
        Okay, lets say I leave reading history written by historians. Then, what do you want me to read in stead?
        Hayat

        • Senay Selam

          I suggest you read PFDJ version of history!

    • AOsman

      Dear Hayat,

      Let me throw my two cent on your points:

      1. The issue is not about Abyssinia being wider or narrower, there is no need for its use in order to call for the two nations to negotiate for peace. How do you interpret Cohen’s word “I think it is time for Abyssinians to take back control of the west bank of the Red Sea before it is too late. “ Isn’t the regime in Eritrea Abyssinian? or is he asking Ethiopia to retake Eritrea? Read the article if you have not done so.

      2. AT are warning about the two men who have their own agenda, that is not a push back from negotiations. It is a disgrace that they cannot resolve their issue in the first place and it will be worse after so many years to react because Mr Cohen told them to do so.

      3. Alnefisi also is inciting the GCC on the base that Eritrea (not Ethiopia) is leasing islands to Iran and Israel….Mr Cohen comes next to fuel fear on the other side – He does not look a man of peace the way he presented his article…he thinks it is opportune time to twist Ethiopia’s hand for negotiations.

      4. I think the opposition have jumped each time they heard Eritrea was up to something, AT are just saying “AyReAnan” where is the evidence. If you have something concrete on the deal, please share it here.

      5. DIA is criticized for being reckless by all who opposition, including AT. Beyond saying the Eritrean people have not consented to any long term deal, what can they do at this stage? DIA does pretty much whatever he wants, that is the reality.

      Lets see if the Ethiopian government will takes the call by Mr Cohen seriously.

      Something related: I started to read the below report a week ago, but stopped halfway as I thought the writer was carried away and exaggerated things. I had to go back to reread it again, what do you think:

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/saudi-arabia-and-the-gcc-are-expanding-to-eritrea-geopolitical-implications-for-ethiopia/5489868

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Hayat Adem

        Dearest AOsman,
        1) I would agree with you but I thought Cohen was using the term Abyssenia load-free as he though it is a term that can be jointly attributed to both countries. In his own mind, he was thinking of referring to both peoples through the same name as he might have naively thought he could express closeness of the two as opposed to separateness. It occurred to me he was not imposing a politicking of Abysseninsim (where is Gheteb?)onto the region the way AwateTeam mis/understood him.
        2) i agree
        3) skip
        4) I think there is enough evidence on Assab being used and leased to KSA and UAE. And I think we can now consider Cohen as an insider to know this.
        5) I agree.
        —————————————–
        You can’t beleive this, Aosman, I felt the same thing in the middle of the article. Only i wasn’t that lucky to decide to quit as the friend who forwarded it to me insisted on my reading it seriously, and she even asked for my feedback. My feedbacks to her include the following:
        1) I think it is worth noting the dangerous scenarios he mentioned there as far as long term Erritrean national interests are concerned .
        2) the Qatari role in Eeritrea and Somalia portrayed there sounds believable and reflective of realities on the ground.
        3) Eritrea’s intentions are overly characterized as strategically crafted than mere acts of pragmatism and desperate space seeking for the regime’s political survival.
        4) GCC- redsea-yemen appears to be mirroring a developing case.
        5) maybe the grand claim of us-china-ethiopia-islamization is a bit overstretched, sounds more of an exaggeration (conspiracy).

        Hayat

        • AOsman

          Dear Hayat,

          For years we have been talking about the “no war no peace” situation and how it has been harming Eritrea more than Ethiopia. DIA has made a move purely for survival reason and from the interview of PMHD and the follow up threat to Saudi&UAE, it looks it has caused discomfort not out of Arab fear, but for the lifeline that it is giving to our dictator. We have noticed that the West is also reengaging with Eritrea, so the slow death seems out of the window. Don’t you think Ethiopia should start renegotiation? While that solves the problem between the two nations, the opposition will have to think hard how to remove DIA (or wait for the course of nature – ala Nitricc way 🙂 )

          On the other second report:
          if I was to imagine the map of Ethiopia its old map of the (14-1) regions comes to mind, am so outdated. When I read the report and I saw the map and statistics on Muslim vs Christian %, I thought this is not right, but then it is the current map – I see why many Ethiopians here do not like the ethic based politics. Ethiopia has to focus on internal harmony, the recent flare up should not be looked at some terrorist activities, but an internal problem that require careful handling.
          The elephant in the report was Qatar, its influence was blown out of proportion. For me that little country is working hard to compensate for its size with its diplomatic influence, and what’s better than dealing with difficult countries to show some progress where the West seems to be failing. Nothing more than that, but it must be irritating Ethiopia as it is propping DIA.
          Saudi recent overacting in the region out of fear of Iran, dealing with Eritrea removes Iran and it is strategic to deal with the Yemen war. Their fear is once Yemen falls to the Houthis, they are the next nation targeted by Iran. USA is quite about the Saudi move as they are doing their bidding screwing Russia (Iran included) by reducing the oil price, also the lucrative business from an arm trade that is live and kicking.

          Regards

          AOsman

          • Fnote Selam

            AOsman,

            I have been traveling a lot the past 3 months, so didnt get the chance to comment, but i didn’t need to because you were able to capture most of the things i wanted to say, probably, better than i would have. Kudos!

            On the idea that possible re-engagement of Eritrea with the rest of the world could delay the removal of IA, I would say not necessarily. Actually, one of the methods IA used to remain intact is to isolate Eritrea and the people, making it easy for him to control every little detail in the country. It all depends how we in the opp camp use it, but i would consider this to be an opportunity….Also, isolation only makes any change after IA messy.

            Best,

            FS

          • AOsman

            Dear Fnote Selam,

            Thank you for the encouragement.

            When the devil at home sees an opportunity that is self serving, he does not blink. He has less constraints and is much flexible at grabbing what comes his way.

            With change there is also opportunity for the opposition, it will need creativity and working together to capitalise on it. Much challenging, but we have to be hopeful regardless.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan the mediator, facilitator, the professor, Ustaz Aosman al-Londoni
            All the above for you. You mentioned a couple of sound observations. I will focus on supporting two of them:
            – SA/USA policy congruity on the security of the Red Sea, and its implication for Eritrean politics
            -Current reading of global trends and their implications on Eritrean politics
            1. SA is a major oil supplier to USA market and other western countries. Iran is enemy number one to the USA and to most western countries. Therefore, it’s strategic for the USA to ensure the safety of the SA regime, and the security of the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea where the oil is shipped through. Most of the analysis suggest that there is Iran behind the Houthi movement, and behind many other instigations that occur in the region. We should note that the regimes of the region are absolute rulers, most of them generate their legitimacy from family or clan position in the history of those countries. Therefore, I don’t mean the Houthi and other minority (and in the case of BaHrain, majority) Shites should not stand for their rights. That’s another topic. But given the situation: SA bombing in Yemen is carried out with the help of the USA. There is intelligence sharing, electronic surveillances, and 100% of target acquisitions and executions are done through the Americans. All the smart weapons need elaborate Satellite guidance systems; the USA is doing it. Therefore, USA is also involved in the conflict via SA, and I would not rule out that a “go ahead” consent was given by the USA when the facilities of Eritrea were considered, including the training of Yemeni soldiers. Remember, USA placed Eritrea under sanction with the pretext that those ports and airports were used for facilitating transits of weapons and funds to Alshabab. From where? Well, from the wealthy Arabs. Therefore, SA or any other Arab country would not be using Eritrean facilities without the consent of the USA. It might have not been officially channeled to the Eritreans, but that’s is just a logic that we must consider, and in many cases that’s how international dealings are done, through proxy enablers.
            2. USA and the West are now regretting the wars they unleashed and the regime changes they made. The world has witnessed what that callous strategy has done to humanity. At the moment, there is no appetite for regime change, period.
            The above points come to the following conclusion.
            Many Eritreans have been calling for a people centered approach. A dependable popular movement could only come from within based on Eritrean resources and leadership. External factors are not dependable. They may not necessarily be in agreement with the change Eritreans envision. External forces act in ways that benefit them, which could be way off from what Eritreans are expecting. And they can damp the opposition at any moment by calculating the risks/benefits of engaging PFDJ purely from their national interest. The diaspora could play a positive roll if it stands out on its own merits. If the Diaspora opposition repeats what the Ethiopian regime says, it will not have a positive impression upon Eritreans.
            wo deHanka.

  • L.T

    First I hate this map.
    If we want peace,we must fill the redsea with the help of stone.”Amanuel Afewrqi.”If an Arab young student become poor reading in school is Israel’s error”Isaias Afewrqi.
    Why Hate Jebha Israel,only that they have a war with Arab?Israel or Judah ,who were forced to flee their homes 3000 yrs ago so if they find their homes in 1948 what is wrong?Jews is not only relgion but a race if you have a Jewish other you are a Judha but Dr Susan Race father is a Judah so she will never be a Jewess.Yes sure they are a racist people.Now to the pint they belive that Ethiopia is a virgin named Christina and lives in an Island in corners of Africa near the Redsea and som Abbesiniyaa believe their Queen Saba had one night with King of Israel Solomon and got pregnant and when she arrive in Asmera near may temenay she become seriously ill and had a child named Abne Melik(Menelik) and then she become thirsty so she need water and her slave said”May bela”.
    many Israeli do not believe that king Solomon was alive,but only his empty house somewhere in the mountains Araret as well as Axumait who left a broken wall stone in Axum.There is no science coverage in this.so now what we should do,we who we think we build a Berlin wall of the two countries?and what I do not understand is why Mr Cohen and Arab can not live together,why he expect us to do?
    i hate this Map

  • stewie

    HI All

    The article is a good start but it focus on the wrong issus, namly the abyssinian lebel. What is more pressing and interesting is Mr Cohen’s solution.

  • Amde

    Dear Awate Team,

    You should have ended your article with “…and it shall be thus to the end of time…”

    Amde

    • Dear Amde,
      Any idea if the government of Ethiopia has responded to the last recommendations by Mr. Cohen.
      As much as I am concerned, his recommendations are ridiculous, to say the least. This old man is insulting the intelligence of the Ethiopian people. Fortunately, it seems that Eritreans have also rejected it.

      • Abi

        Hi Horizon
        What is rejected here is the very idea of dialogue. How do you miss this? He is not enforcing his ideas. It is the responsibility of the governments to come up with a workable proposal. It is easy to shoot the messenger.

        • Dear Abi,
          Have you read Mr. Cohen’s recommendations? He has enumerated clearly what he calls the list of ideas on which the two countries would negotiate, and even how they should negotiate. He does not say any where that both countries should come with their own proposals. One expects that both governments would respond positively or negatively to his recommendations or ignore it completely. I was not talking of the article by the A.T. You should see the link by AOsman.

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            Yes, I have read his recommendations. I care less about what he recommended . After all he is a paid lobbyists. I’m talking about the need for dialogue. You are scared of by the shocking sticker price on the windshield of a car at a dealership. You can always negotiate, come to a reasonably win win situation. Do not forget he is only a messenger. I also expect him to advocate Eritrean issue. It is normal. He is paid by Eritrean government.
            The key word here is NEGOTIATIONS!!! I see it as a positive initiative regardless of who initiated it or what is in the details . You start from somewhere.
            Thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon, Eyob, Abi and all

            Let’s try and think of two Eritrean/ Ethiopian government. Let’s forget about PFDJ and EPRDF as in power and leave their past history aside and let’s focus on two governments and see his proposal based on that. Can you please tell us why his recommendation is not to the best interest of Ethiopia? And what is that you do not like in his recommendations and what you would like to have it replaced.

            Again, please stay objective and leave emotions aside, and do not mix things..like what PFDJ/EPRDF did in the past, as those issues have been settled down (at least in writing by the commission).. the recommendation does address potential future issues, like IMF established exchange, common external tariff etc.,

            As an Eritrean, I think this is a good initial steps because of the following:

            1) It give me the confidence and the peace of mind that, Ethiopia does recognize Eritrea’s boarders, and it provides Ethiopia the needed security / access to grantee a lasting peace.
            2) Both people of Eritrea / Ethiopia are free to move around (as they have for centuries) and let the people live their lives the way God has intended for them.
            3) Even if we have the Isayas government in power, as much as I detest his rule, I think it will relieve Eritrean people suffering and in the process it will help us arm better to demand justice. I know it’s not the alternative that the people deserve, but I am all for Eritreans to find our own solutions so that, what ever change will have a lasting effect. The last thing we wanted is, our country goes to civil war and that we have no peaceful transition in the process.

            I personally are not in favor of Saudi Arabia/Qatar and Iran conflict to spill over our country and we become and immerse ourselves in their conflict. I think this is the bigger issue that will impact the lives of our people and I think considering what happened in Syrian people because of these two countries interference I think we should try to remain neutral at best and look for our interests first.

            Berhe

          • Dear Berhe Y,
            Mr. Cohen does not seem to be a politician who inspires trust, especially from the Ethiopian sides. That was the reason I asked how the Ethiopian government reacted to his proposals. His points for negotiation, in my opinion are meant to benefit Eritrea, and do not seem to take into considerations Ethiopia’s interests, except marginally, and some of his proposals seem really odd. I am afraid that he is calling for a negotiation that is going to fail right from the start.

            What does he say?

            -Give Badme first and then negotiate,
            -Go back to the sinful pre-war economic relations,
            -A 50-year lease of Assab at an indexed rental, while Ethiopia has so many sea ports to choose from,
            -Currency exchange in order to make the Nakfa viable and even flood the Ethiopian market,
            -Free movement of people across the borders and the right to work and establish business, as if many Ethiopians are going to move to Eritrea leaving behind the big market of 100m, for the sake of the 5m,
            -Movement of duty-free merchandise across the border which will help Eritrea to have an equal and free access to the Ethiopian market, while Ethiopia’s export to Eritrea is minimal,
            -Common external tariff. From what I understand, commodities imported in Eritrea could be transferred freely to Ethiopia. But how can one know that these are not contraband commoditie, which are meant to flood the Ethiopian market. (We have seen such examples in the past),
            -Joint security control and the exploitation of resources in the Red Sea, as if Ethiopia has borders on the Red Sea. This is really odd with no legal basis.
            -UN sanctions will be lifted immediately, again as if sanctions are directly connected to the ethio-eritrean problems.

            As a lobbyist of the Eritrean government, what he wants is an economic integration mainly to benefit Eritrea, and political integration is mentioned where Eritrea has weaknesses, and even that in an ambiguous way. The Eritrean government could not have put better proposals on the table, except the few ambiguous ones.

          • Hope

            Horizon:
            Your concern makes sense but where in the world do you see that the Muzinga is favoringEritrea?
            In fact,we Eris see him now as if he has made a u-turn towards favoring Ethiopia by giving Ethiopia an Equal right with Eritrea on the Red Sea/Aseb but
            let me correct you here:
            this man is NOT acting or lobbying for the GoE as you claim but for the sole Interest of the USA and Israel,for sure!

          • Dear Hope,
            That is the problem with middlemen. They are not trusted by both parties, especially
            when their track-record has not gained them any trust. A third party always looks first at what he gets for himself out of the problem. That is why Ethiopians and Eritreans should take in to their own hands the responsibility of their future relations, and solve their problems, having in mind the interest of both people, by reaching a solution that brings a permanent peace, cooperation and economic prosperity for these two people that are at the lowest level of human development index. Unfortunately, up to now we have chosen the way of no solution and that of who blinks first . A zero sum game will destroy us all.
            No need really to discuss again how it should be done.

  • Abi

    HI All
    This article shamelessly ignored the involvement of the ever barbaric Arabs in Eritreans struggle. They have prepaid for everything. Now, it is time for Eritreans to pay back by surrendering their ports and providing young Eritreans as fighters for a war that is not theirs.

    This article is also shamelessly divide abbysinians into Muslims and Christians. Nowhere In this article Mr Cohen tried to bring rift between Muslims and Christians. Where is the evidence? Actually, he should be commended for trying to initiate a dialogue. If the Eritrean government paid him to write such kind of article, I appreciate the Eritrean government for trying. Mr Cohen’s words are not the bible or Quran. The concerned governments are able modify , reject or adopt his recommendations. There is nothing worse than the current situation. Awate Team , instead of encouraging any possible talks between the two countries, focused into dividing abbysinians into Muslims and Christians. It is easy to criticize any effort. Easy on your abbysinia phobia. You are portraying abbysinia as Christian only. I am talking about abbysinians in both countries. I don’t expect an Eritrean Abyssinia to come and defend his people here. Bunch of useless cowards ! I have read abbysinians called fascists and racists in this website without any challenge from Eritrean abbysinians. Shame on you.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Abi

      There is no such as Eritrean abbysinians. Abbysinian pre dates Eritrea. Please don’t create confusion by putting abbysinia as some sort of race. It was a geographical area which doesn’t exist any more. Some Arabs helped Eritreans to realise their self determination and it is a noble action to help out oppressed people.

      • Abi

        Hi Ali and Amanuel
        I let the ever docile Eritrean abbysinians who, you just dismissed their existence, defend themselves. Beyond that I care less what a self hating, arab worshipping, person says or thinks about Ethiopians/abbysinians.
        You can bend as low as possible for the arabs. They will chop your head off with relative ease.
        Case closed.

        The article is a continuation of abbysinia / Amhara bashing. Only this time it is focusing on the Christian part of it. I see a progress. Now the enemy is Christian Amhara. 50% improvement. Way to go!

        • Amanuel

          Hi Abi
          Slow down it is new year after all. At this rate you are not going to last the year.

    • Ali

      Sorry, you’re wrong. It was Abyssinia (including Ethiopian empire) who have commited more damage to Eritrea and the Eritrean people, more than any nation.

      Arabs did no harm to the Eritrean soil so in other word, they’re favorable over Abyssinia. Also, the author is correct. Abyssinia played a major role in sectarianism (i.e forcible assimilation of other ethnic groups) and refered themselves as an “Island surrounded by Muslims and Pagans”.

      Abyssinia is refered to the ethnic Highlanders (Amhara & the latter Tigrais), culture is largely linked to them and as well it was located in the Gondar. Eritrea was never part of Abyssinia nor ‘modern’ Ethiopia (created in the 1880s) was part of it such as Oromia, Sidama, Somali region.

      In reality, Abyssinia was just a landlocked tribal cheiftan state in the Gondar region in 1200s created by the Amhara led-Solomonic dynasty after defeating the Agew dynasty and assimilated them. Thus, it was dominated by the Amhara until the 1880s where they expanded into other ethnic regions through European support (acquired modern arms). Then, Menelik II created and disorted the bogus “3,000” years history which is openly denounced and refuted by vast (except Amhara) in the Horns today.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Ali and the Awate Team,
        .
        Ali, It seems you have read the same history book the Awate Team did. I wonder if this book is written in Arabic only, because I don’t recall reading anything resembling it anywhere else.
        .
        Now, what did Dr. Cohen say? “Hey, all you Abyssinians out there. While you are wasting time squabbling with each other, the government of the Arabian Peninsula are eating your lunch.”
        .
        Boy, it sounds like what Nitricc would say not a Dr. an Ambassador at that. O.K it is not elegant.
        .
        The essence of what the good Dr. said is being covered up and mugged for a quick burial attempt.
        The fact that Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arabs have bought o.k ,o.k leased Asab for military purposes is still there. Who knows where this fact will lead in a few months or few years, is the question raised.
        .
        What does the Awate Team do. They want to talk about Dr. Cohen and racism, Rwanda, the small Abyssinian population, Israel and European Christian guilt in order to muddy up the water so that nothing is visible.
        .
        Just to show others and feel sensible and balanced they brought in this no body Arab Dr. Al-Nefisi whatever to bring the visibility to zero. The issue they wanted to belittle and hide from view, they used terms like “His insignificant lobbying trip to Saudi Arabia…” and …..”a drop of water…”
        .
        I am a graduate student of Awate Uiversity, of course, I can see through all of this.
        .
        If I was an Awate Team member, this article would have been sufficient enough for me to resign the membership. It is shameful.
        .
        Eritrean territory is officially handed over by an individual, I want to emphasize individual, to Saudi Arabia and rich Gulf Arabs for military operation. This fact is here today and will be there tomorrow. Please don’t tell us another article will be written next month or next year about that subject. It didn’t make it as an after thought on this one.
        .
        Why not be bold enough and fearless enough and state your support here and now. Eritrea is now in the Arab orbit to improve its condition. That would have been honest and straight forward., wouldn’t it? That was part of the argument being advanced by some hardliners in the past.
        .
        Speaking of Abysinians…..5 millions plus 20 millions.. never mind.
        .
        Mr. K.H

  • Admas

    “Cohen certainly is not addressing the Abysinian muslims”….

    If indeed what Cohen has said is “hey Abysinians” how does that translate for not addressing Abysinian muslims?….For all I can see it is this Islamsist wabsite playing religion card between Christian and muslim abysinians.. you guys have too much of a chip on your shaulder to effectively pretend you stand for collective Eritrean cause….

    • AOsman

      Dear Admas,

      Think about it, to get Ethiopia to negotiate with Eritrea he is trying fear-mongering. Anyway, read the report linked below to judge for yourself:
      http://www.cohenonafrica.com/homepage/2015/12/28/the-red-sea-is-slipping-into-total-arab-control

      If you live in USA, here is an interesting question:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFzbgxaG27Q

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam AOsman,
        .
        I have read and viewed the attachments you provided. On the face of it I think he was addressing both peoples of Ethiopia and Eritrea who consider themselves Abeshas. Granted he talked a little like Nitricc but he wanted to get attention and have people talk about it, that he did. I guess that Dr. thing has to come through somewhere.
        Some Awatistas deliberately twisted what he said as if he was talking only to the Ethiopians. I don’t know if you felt that way.
        The American or western fringe liberals and conservatives are in the twilights zone like the Saudi Princes and Princess, who have no place in our normal conversation. It can be presented as a joke sometimes.
        .
        Are you really happy that Saudis and Others are leasing the territory for military purposes?
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • AOsman

          Dear Kim Hanna,

          Hey, all you Abyssinians out there. While you are wasting time squabbling with each other and not talking to each other, the governments of the Arabian Peninsula are eating your lunch.

          Have you noticed that warships from the United Arab Emirates are operating out of the port of Asab 24/7? Their interest is in Yemen, not in Eritrea or Ethiopia. There are reports that Saudi Arabia has taken a 50-year lease on Asab. If that is true, the next step will be Sharia Law in the Horn of Africa big time.

          I think it is time for Abyssinians to take back control of the west bank of the Red Sea before it is too late.

          Requoting to see if your assumption holds water, I guess if we are to assume his call is to be considered serious, he is specifically calling the two governments (hey Abyssinians to the two). Now the second and third paragraphs, do you believe they are addressing both?

          That aside, I am all for the negotiation, I just have issue that is takes Mr Cohen for the two to sit. Next time something triggers, we have to wait for another Muzungu to sort our problems….that is recipe for disaster.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Dear AOsman,
            Mr. Cohen naturally reflects American foreign policy, interests and worries in the region. At the same time, he gives services to different leaders for his own personal gains.

            When he says “hay you all Abyssinians out there”, it is a ferenji trying to show off
            and impress Ethiopians and Eritreans with his knowledge of history and geography. It is a fact that Americans have the lowest knowledge of history and geography. Some 15-20 yrs ago (I do not know about today), there was no geography lesson in American schools. It was as bad as that. For Americans there is only one history and one geography, American history and geography, and may be some countries around the region. Of course, one expects that as a diplomat, Mr. Cohen should have read more. Saying that he is addressing only the Abyssinians, and not all Ethiopians and Eritreans and their respective governments, is far from the truth and hair-splitting for different purposes. In the country I live, people do not see any difference between Abyssinia and Ethiopia. To them, simply, the one is the old name and the other the new one.

            When he speaks of warships in Assab and the Saudis leasing it for 50 yrs, he is ringing the alarm bell, Arabs are setting foot on the other side of the shore, the region is falling under the control of extremist governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and Islamization of the horn is at the door-steps, when he mentions the Sharia law. Remember, an Islamic state which has recently confirmed its allegiance to the Saudis already exists to the west of Eritrea, in the Sudan.

            Finally, when Mr. Cohen says “take back control of the west bank” and “before it is too late”, he conveys the message that DIA has walked into a trap looking only at the cheese and not at the long term impact of his actions, and for all purposes and intents, the west bank of the Red Sea is already lost, and he is calling upon Ethiopians and Eritreans to do something about it before it is irreversible. The Americans are worried of the last developments. They are in a big dilemma. They find it very difficult to kill their milk-cows and the geese that lay the golden eggs, and to sacrifice American soldiers for the third time in the region to defend their interests. Let Ethiopians and Eritreans do it for them, better the two together.

          • AOsman

            Dear Horizon,

            1.While he is an “expert” he is trying to show off? really – you are giving a school boy example to defend a diplomat.

            2. You think Saudi can lease Assab for 50 years (which I don’t believe), without USA being the cook? You are giving the Arabs too much credit, the whole configuration I think has to do with the survival of the regimes (All GCC, Sudan, Eritrea) and the control of Bab El-Mendeb.

            3. While Mr Cohen is working for DIA, you are saying that he is claiming the guy has fallen into a trap? really

            From an Ethiopian perspective, I would have expected you to smell the hypocrisy in that he is trying to show he cares. But what matters is that if it takes Mr Cohen to excite a negotiation between the two “Habesha” nations, well and good. We desperately need peace, not to create more web of complications.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            Hi AOsman
            Mr Lobbyist is warning the Eritrean zombies that the Arabs are knocking their door and bring with them the Sharea Law . It is simple. What he said is more Important than how he said it.
            You see , the Eritrean zombies are loosing the country they fought and died for to the Arabs . ( May be they died for the Arabs cause to start with . Wait a minute! They are still fighting for the Arabs as we speak. Can you believe this?) They are too busy doing their dancing to notice it. From what I understand, the only time these zombies show some kind of life is against Ethiopia. Actually, according to some commentators like Amanuel and Ali they don’t even exist. How low can they get?what is funny is when Amanuel proudly dismissed their existence no one challenged him.
            When it comes to the abbysinians south of the border, we should be very vigilant as to what is happening every minute of the day. We have to fend off the Arabs and their barbaric acts. Nothing good comes from them.
            Mr Cohen, I appreciate your effort in waking up the good for nothing zombies. Thank you, Sir. Next time tell them Ethiopia is eating their lunch. They will … You know what I mean?

          • AOsman

            Dear Abi,

            You are joining the tickling game. Why do you have to insult our people to get a reaction, come on you can do better. I did not read Ali’s comment, but what Amanuel was saying did not look he was denying we have Habesha in Eritrea, he was talking about Abyssinia (Axum empire) being History.

            I think we are to get to a fruitful discussion, as Eritreans and Ethiopians we can dive in to the important part of the article by Mr Cohen …….the terms of negotiation. You have endorsed the call for negotiations as a starter, considering he is a messenger of DIA, the points look quite good for Ethiopia, what do you think?

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            Hi AOsman
            It looks like a hastily assembled proposal. It is the responsibility of the leaders to refine it or come with a workable proposal.
            You said I am tickling. That is funny. I need a jackhammer to wake them up.

          • AOsman

            Dear Abi,

            OK, V.F has refined it with a 10 point plan and I see many ✅ from you. I see no Entoto, not as delicious as his earlier proposal, will read it as my breakfast in the morning.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Horizon

            You know that I know you are a proud Ethiopian, I know you care for the wellbeing of both peoples. Once the mist of animosity and suspicions subside, I do consider Ethiopia will be a formidable ally and friend of Eritrea. We are passing through a stage that most divorced countries go through. Some are lucky they don’t have to waste lives of hundreds of thousands of their productive citizens and still live in a state of “no war, no peace”, others hold big guns on each other affecting their growth negatively. We have already wasted decades of opportunities. It’s all the result of miscalculations of leaders that the opponent will give in or be washed away by a popular uprising before fate calls their departure. It’s a miscalculation that makes leaders to do stupid things, otherwise, you don’t keep a statuesque if you believe it will consume you; you don’t make outrageous calls of changing a regime, or policing the affairs of another country which could be interpreted as an intention of going to war; or order your generals to go to war if you don’t believe you will win. Now, add other factors that compound the situation, which really blind leaders: weak popular consciousness, immature institutions or their absence that restrain leaders from heading to making blunders…..

            We have all the above scenarios. We, the people, be better cautious about this. At this juncture Mr. Cohen arrives with his alluring proposals. Although they appear not to be serious, a parliament that’s manned 100% by one party is a recipe for disaster. Add: PMHD who is really seen as a handpicked successor, who lucks the experience and charisma that PMMZ enjoyed (hey, the army and security apparatus are still TPLF, and still headed by people who fought battles…and what have you). You may tell me that it’s the constitution that works not personal experiences…well, I know that. I also know that the constitution is as good as a liberated citizen and independent institutions that watch it implemented per its letter and spirit. We have seen constitutions being circumvented in the USA let alone Ethiopia. We know politicians lie and forge in order to make their cases….we know wealthy and strongly connected politicians and their cronies mislead nations in order to maximize their business opportunities…
            I see Mr. Cohen’s call for the Abyssinians to retake the “western banks of the Red Sea” within this panorama. By the way, no asked why Mr. Mzungu called it the “western bank of the Red Sea” instead of calling it by its name: Eritrea.
            You said, “the west bank of the Red Sea is already lost, and he is calling upon Ethiopians and Eritreans to do something about it before it is irreversible.”
            Do you understand what you are saying? Just because Ethiopia is not the lease holder, you call it a lost territory? What if, in the future, the Arabs, Ethiopians, Chinese, Americans….get spaces to lease? Will you be satisfied? The Red Sea coast is just too long for any country to feel left out. All Eritreans will do is give harbors for the best bidder….chase the dollar; that’s if those countries respect Eritreans and their sovereignty…it will all be about business, strictly business.
            Some points here:
            1. Ethiopia needs to conclude the legal issue about the border. The policy that Eritreans will succumb under the weight of mighty Ethiopia and thereby surrender should be given up.
            2. Ethiopia should come through the door with good intent.
            3. I’m sure that will open all the doors for cooperation and even further integration. In that case, reason dictates that Ethiopia and the Sudan are the two natural extensions of Eritrea.
            Final say: I thought the Saudis and other Arabs and Muslims have already flooded Ethiopia, hinterland, at that. So what’s all these cries about a prospect that’s in the air. We don’t even know if there is a lease agreement. We heard it was the UAE (some even went as far as saying it was a UAE naval base. Then, I responded to that fabricated by disclosing UAE Naval capacity, frankly a dismal one compared to its neighbors), then they said “No, it’s UAE shipping lines”; and now it’s the Saudis! May be, tomorrow, it will be South Sudan!!
            My friend, the Eritrean coastal line is very long with hundreds of bays which could easily be developed to functioning ports. Ethiopia is welcome. All it needs to do is come in with good will. We need your business, it’s enough for all of us.
            I find it really demeaning to consider the Eritrean people as a neural carrier of extremism. Please control your doors, we will control ours. Eritreans don’t entertain extremism. If ever it ventures to the plains of Dankalia, Samher and Sahel, it will be isolated and killed there, in the desert. Eritreans have done that for centuries. We welcome nations and peoples who respect us. We never yield to pressures. I know Ethiopians are the same. We need to watch our governments.

          • Dear Mahmud Saleh,
            What worries me most is that the unconventional behavior of DIA may lead the two poor countries onto a head on collision. Trusting the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the small Gulf States like Qatar, who are accused by many for funding extremism, is equivalent to making a contract with the devil, and Ethiopia and Eritrea should be very careful. Regional hegemony is in their agenda; and both Ethiopia and Eritrea are going to be their possible victims, if they are not careful.

            These are difficult times, and it is not the time when we should project our
            patriotic feelings just to satisfy our ego. We should be pragmatic and aim high
            for the sake of the interest of our people. The Red Sea waterways are so vital that, on top of the regional powers to which it is of interest, it has attracted far away powers, like America, France, Japan, China, Iran, India and more to come in the future. A small, weak and unstable nation on one of the Red Sea coast, will be at the mercy of any power that wishes ill for it, and working with a nation with whom it can form a permanent and reliable security and friendship, is a must in my opinion.

            In what Mr. Cohen said, “take back” is the key word. To say this, he must have in mind that it has already been taken. My assumption comes from this.

            As much as TPLF is concerned, we must know that this is not the early 1990s. The EPRDF is a coalition of diverse parties. The Ethiopian armed forces are also diverse, and anybody who tries to use it unilaterally will be surprised to see that it
            is impossible. The Ethiopian armed forces had said “no” to its generals in the
            past, and it will do so again, if anybody wants to use this diverse force unilaterally against its own people. No doubt, severe damage could result to the country, but nobody is going to come out a winner.

            Much more the danger for Eritrea is from its own rulers than from Ethiopia. If they
            insist on destabilizing Ethiopia by working with the enemies of Ethiopia, it is
            going to create a very dangerous situation. If there is going to be cooperation
            and integration in the future (towards which both countries should work), they should be true to themselves first, and then to each other, abandon their egotism and build trust. Trust is the main victim in the ethio-eritrean relations.

            Regards.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam AOsman,
            .
            Thanks for your response. I read the article in totality. Yes there are sloppy phrases and a smugness that comes from his background of ” I know you guys” kind of syndrome.
            .
            I don’t think he is inviting Ethiopia to invade Eritrea or warmongering as some put it.
            .
            Mr. AOsman, the sad fact is it took him and his clumsy article to even acknowledge what is happening at the gate.
            .
            Mr. K.H

  • tes

    Dear AT,

    This article brings a very interesting political paradox where DIA is into. Eritrea under the PFDJ ruling regime had tricked the world community as if it is a member of Non-Ally Countries (Shara Zeybilen Hagerat). Unfortunately this diplomatic cover-up has now vanished. Eritrea under PFDJ regime is in a never-to-end war of the Shia-Sunnis, a kind of racial war that will engulf the middle east and Africa at large.

    Now the war is not of Yemenie people but a war between Shia and Sunnis Muslims. Saudi Arabia and Iran are on the opposite sides. The irony is Eritrea of PFDJ has aligned with one side (Saudi-Arabia).

    Well now the war has become fully visible after Saudi Arabia beheaded an Iranian Shia Clerc, one among the 47 recently victims of Saudi execution policy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe3spD5F64

    What will PFDJ do to come out from this war? Well, he will try to convince the Moslem Eritreans (as B;General Abraha Kassa recent visits in Saudi indicates). And we all know Eritrean Moslems won’t be foolish to entertain such dirty political game. As usual, Eritrean people will stand with all Moslems, regardless of their school of thought.

    Eritrea, during the armed struggle was a friend of Syria and Iraq than Saudi Arabia.

    Aha PFDJ junta, always failing in the game they enter.

    tes

  • Ali

    The Arabs are right about the Islands. There is an Israeli bases in the Islands and has an intelligence operatives in Eritrea that are been used for economical reasons and to spy on Arab countries.

    Dahlak is used as a prison and Israel are operating there.

    There is a reason why Afewerki opposed the Arab League whilst favoring Israel. Even though, they were supporting Ethiopia in the war. Not to mention, EPLF’s policy was staunchly against Arab policies and shifted their support for Israel unlike the ELF who were supported by Arabs diplomatically.

    The main reason why they are there is because they see Eritrea as a economical empass to Port Eliat/Gulf of Aqaba to Israel. Losing the Eritrean lowland as well as Bab al Mandeb would affect them economically. That’s why they were supporting Haile Selassie regime.

    CIA Richard and Miles Coperland who recruited Afewerki to serve their interest also had the same sentiment used by Dr Cohan. They feared losing influence of the Red Sea in the 60s-70s.

    We will expect a lot heavy foreign meddlings and rival competitions between Arab, Israel, West and others in the post-Shabia Eritrea and the race to grab the Red Sea-Bab al Mandeb.

    • Hope

      Ali:
      Your Arguement or allegation might sound ” true” from Geo-Politics point of view!
      The issue is beyond PIA’s and Eritrea’s capacity and control!

      That was why PIA or Eritrea tried to stay” Neutral” by declining the Lucrative US Dahlak Base but only to beg them during Iraq War after his power and Eritrea’s Security Intetes was threatened!
      The same applies now that since Eritrea’s National Security Interest was and is threatened openly on a day light,Eritrea has to make choices at least temporarily !

      What would be Eritrea’s option in this dangerous situation whent the Southern neighbor threatens you on a day light and when you have some options to choose from in order to defend yourself?
      Your assertion that Istael has a base in Dahlak has been questioned and even disproved!

      Remember the the Zionist State was the supplier of the Napalm Bombs to the Menghistu Regime of Ethiopia against Eritrea and ERITREANs,not just was supporting janhoy!

      FYI,the Zionist State openly was at war against Eritrea by siding with the TPLF Mercenary Junta to the extent of sending advisors and Commanders to the Aseb Front to help the capture of our Aseb Port in 2000!(Source:the Deuchevelle,the Voice of Germany)!
      Be the judge now and leave alone the PFDJ and PIA!
      Note that Mr.Hank Cohen has been the major voice against ERITREAN Independence until the last minute including in 1991!
      He knows what he is doing and his effort of trying to negotiate Eritrea and Ethiopia is purely based on in protecting the interest of the Zionist State,not just he is being paid by the GoE!

      Look at his latest U-Turn in favor of Ethiopia after the GCC made an Alliance with Eritrea!
      This crooked Muzungu might even push for the invasion of Aseb by Ethiopia if the Eri-GCC Alliance and leasing of the Aseb Port by the GCC is found to be true!

  • Semere Andom

    Hi AT

    “……Purely the making of its inhabitants, they can’t be any further than the truth. Between Dr. Al-Nefisi and Dr. Cohen’s, the attempt to keep Eritreans and Ethiopians in perpetual disarray and mistrust is mischievously being advanced in Technicolor.”

    I think these article did excellent job by tackling both side of the coin, but I have issue with the above quoted statement

    African and the Middle East must make very honest and brutal soul searching for causes of their perpetual suffering, with all the natural endowment these peoples are going broke, hungry and suffering, needlessly. There is no need for suffering, I am just saying

    Those who are interested in the truth, supposedly the intellectuals and the grass-root movements must look inward to solve their suffering and also must stop blaming the to outsiders, the colonialist and instead must remove the demons in their own houses.

    The Rawand agnioice was the Whiteman’s’ work, the Sudanese South North conflict was the Whiteman’s or the Arabs’ work, the Ethio -Eritrea bloodshed was the work of the Whiteman, everything is the work of the Whiteman, even the 1984 Ethiopian famine and the arid and scorching heat in WiA is the work of the Whiteman. Herein resides what ails the Africans: blaming everyone and absolving themselves. Whiteman regardless of his wishes and writing did not pull that trigger and unleash the sledgehammer and machetes

    I know you used the word “purely”, but it is almost purely the making of the inhabitants.

    Take Eritrea, the bigotry that goes in this forum is an enduring testament of our backward thinking. A friend just reminded me about the “Tarqe” Towqe” insidious conflict in Eritrea. I recently heard earful for calling “Saho” instead of ‘Asawrta” maybe it is the other way

    There is slavery in African right now and remember the Darfur ethnic cleansing by “Arabs” who are two shades lighter than the Darfurian ‘slaves”

    Ignorance, brainwashing, somewhite or Arab guy told me so are just lame excuses to hide our ignorance. Right vs. wrong are innately tattooed in every human being’s hear

    • Amanuel

      Hi SA

      It agree with your take above that we should look to our selves first before outsourcing the problem to out siders. For example, in the 40s, if we Eritreans didn’t create a room to be manipulated by Haile Selassie and the west, who knows, Eritrean would have got its independence then. like Somalia and Libya. We should resolve our differences and grievances constructively, in a sprit of reconciliation which brings long lasting national interest. To blame your problems on outsiders is easy.

      This reminds me to a situation happened in 1991. It was at a restaurant in Keren, just about two months after independence. I was with some friends eating chicken stew (sauce) with enjera. Unfortunately, one of my friends found a fly in the sauce and called a waiter and showed him. The waiter said it is not our fault, it is the oppression of Derg (ናይ ደርጊ ጠቕጢ ኢዩ።) We burst in laughter because we were just discussing that issue. At that time all the EPLF mass media and every one was blaming the Derg for all the problems.

      Going back to 1991, it also remind me another incident, a big historical incident and not sure if it was linked to what the article above claims that “Cohen tried to stall the advance of the Eritrean forces towards Asmara in May 24, 1991. He tried to convince the leaders to leave the Derg’s Second Revolutionary Command intact, fully armed forces in the capital city. He wanted the Derg forces to remain in control while Eritrean forces to enter Asmara. He planned to delay their entry until the EPRDF forces control Addis Ababa—and that would have complicated and changed the dynamics that led to the declaration of Eritrean victory on May 24, 1991” A friend who was marching to Asmara from Dekemhare told me that they were order to dig tranches around Kurba Embeyto while the Derg army was fleeing. But this was overruled by Mesfin Hagos and allowed to inter Asmara. Mesfin Hagos was second in command of the EPLF forces, Sbhat Efriem being his boss. IA was at London conference.