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EL AL Pilots And African Refugees And Asylum Seekers

Israeli pilots refused to take part in “the illegal and inhumane deportations of African refugees and asylum seekers from Israel.

Pilots of EL AL, the Israeli national carrier refuse to cooperate with the deportations of refugees and asylum seekers who were not provided with proper and legal vetting of their claims.

For more than a decade, refugees and asylum seeker have been entering Israel, mainly through the Sinai Desert, after paying thousands of dollars to human trafficking gangs who smuggled them through the Egyptian borders.

Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Likud party has been trying to settle the Africans in third countries. To that end, his government has offered Rwanda and Uganda $3500 for each person to accept those it considers “infiltrators.”

Around 40,000 people are already in Israel, some of them in internment camps in the Negev Desert. The Israeli government is negotiating with the African countries to get rid of them.

In an interview last week, the Eritrean president Isaias Afwerki said he has told the Israeli government, he will charge $50,000 for each person to accept citizens of the country that he leads and who escaped the country mainly to avoid the indefinite national service which his government has been enforcing since 1995.

According to news reports, Ethiopian Airlines has been involved in transporting Eritrean and Sudanese refugees from Israel to Rwanda and Uganda.

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  • Selam Hope,

    You are free to continue the way you have been following over the last twenty years, the way of wear and tear that is emptying the country from its people, an economy more or less nonexistent, and the ultimate failure of the pfdj regime and its supporters. You have no problem, because you are deciding for the poor people of eritrea from a secure place somewhere in the west, enjoying the good life these countries provide, while at the same time denying even the least peaceful and prospering eritrea could give to her people. You are giving a helping hand to the regime that has chained its people over the last two decades, and the irony is that you deny you have anything to do with the regime.

    What are you going to do if tplf never gives you what you are demanding. Are you going to complain about it till kingdom come, even if the behavior and the policy of the regime is destroying the country and its people. Of course, it is the land, the rocks, trees and mountains that matter most, and not the people. You people have declared that in the most unequivocal way. You are going to have the land without its people, as long as it is your dream. The young and even children are running as far away as possible leaving it behind for you to enjoy it, and you seem not to understand what exactly is happening, when it comes to a country without its people. What use is the land without its people?

    As to the last sentences, you better use a language everybody can understand.

  • blink

    Dear Alex
    He wanted us to transform to his world, his views are arrogantly hideous and unproductive in Eritrea. He believes Eritreans must be divided across ethnic lines and he believes change can only come from guns. He lives in the west with all his immediate family and none from his family will pick the guns. He believes he is the smartest person alive to think about wellbeing of Eritreans by believing such , he wanted to install Meles vision of Ethnic politics. The guy always implied EPLF motto only to discredit the heavy lifting of EPLF by directly cooking with Issaias.
    It amusing this guy thinks he can educate Eritreans about Meles and yet he digg his hiding place by accusing the highlands. What do you call such people?

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi blink,

      Don’t talk nonsense. We all know this bold man.

      KS,,

      • blink

        Dear KS
        Bold man ? Really, I guess we are using different definition of Bold man . I see him as an obstacle that must be challenged at any corner. Come on KS ,the man is an ex -fighter who is trying very hard day and night to deflect historical facts about Eritreans. He has never wrote a single article without accusing some parts of Eritrea or EPLF. Give us a break ,the man lives in 1980. Once he is out from that kind of views, you can say and tell us about boldness. Bold men do not live in the past sir.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear blink,

          What he said about you was really correct ..Are you here to separate people with their mind ?What are you after !! I think by now you are exposed .

          KS,,

    • Haile S.

      Selam Blink,
      Allow me to interject here. Do you think it is necessary to go to “He lives in the west with all his immediate family and none from his family will pick the guns.” ??. This has nothing to do with opinions that we express and with the way our opinions are percieved, understood or interpreted by our interlocutors in the forum.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        This guy is a seed planted by PFDJ in us. Worse than that he loves to lie behind pen name to destroy our names. But never mind my articles are in the public domain, and the public can easily dismiss his accusation by rereading themselves. When did Amanuel advocated ethnic Federalism for our society that he continue to blackmail me as if I advocated for that? What did the Amhara people say when they see such kind of kid? Assadaghi yebedelow Lij. Indeed he is.

      • blink

        Dear Haile.S
        I believe it’s a fair view on him.while he use EPLF to drag everyone, he tried very hard to hide behind few words.
        Here is the truth
        1. He blame the highlands
        2. He call for the youth to take arms
        3. He praise Meles over Eritreans martyrs cemetery
        4. He share Foro12 from smerr1 on his Facebook page.

        What’s left? For me any warmonger is something that must be exposed.
        Anyone who oppose his views is ,” PFDJ “ , how convenient is that ?

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Alex,

    For sure I am speaking for myself and the Eritrean people. The issue we are talking is a collective issue and not an individual issue. I wish our young who are escaping from Eritrea remain in the country and fight to change the system that became the driving force to their exodus. Worse than escaping is, when they fill “taEssa paper” to join the regime’s project to strengthen its grip. Look at your generation if you are from the young generation and try to think how to save them than to become a sympathizer of the regime by reflecting the politics of the past that has already negated by history and replaced by the current political realities of party-state governance. Learn the current realities and focus on it than reflecting your “toblahtawi mizan.”

    Regards

  • blink

    Dear KS
    Here you have the beginning , with time goes on , we know everyone doesn’t have the best Morals and hearts. You see https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7cb4a4334b1a7486749c0357903fcb5123955f4a091d325b1a269acc5972f908.jpg

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear blink,

      Go and visit Jebena page today ..

      KS.,

  • blink

    Dear KS

    I know infact Issaias was groomed by top ELF

  • Thomas
    • Nitricc

      Hi Blink, please check this and understand what Thomas is going through. lol take it easy on the guy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcPjfg72sac

      • Tzigereda

        Hi Nitric,

        Please delete this disgraceful video. I hope awate moderators agree with me.

        Thank you.

        • Thomas

          Hi Tzigereda,

          I don’t open anything this nitricc guy posts. I know the posting has to be offensive for you to react. This is an indication for this guy has no respect for us, the Eritrean people (regardless of our gender).

      • blink

        Dear Nitricc
        I would not be surprised by that because it is like a lottery for them. Thomas , well his thing is really not that complicated.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear nit,
    You are so wrong in many cases that you not even reading. To your info, my sister works in Lichtenstein, after graduating from London School of Economics. I want her to move here because she has better opportunities of starting a business and she won’t feel lonely, with me. The last I heard Eritrea is running away from you and your likes. As for Ethiopia, she knows where I stand and we have decided that we are not made for each other. You are so special, ain’t you?

    • blink

      Dear DiS Doc
      How does any one who graduated from London business school and some how got work in Lichtenstein end up asking papers from Ethiopia??? Surprisingly that your 6 days stay in Eritrea and to the opposite your sister who is graduated from business school and live in a small country with per capita over 140k wants to be in South America !!!! We have two eyes sir .

  • Nitricc

    I am reading how Eritreans are overconfidence and all that crap, if they do, well have ever expected to see Eritrean flag in winter Olympics? I have never entertained it and here we are.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVmXiVWWkAMmjk0.jpg

    • blink

      Dear Nitricc
      Well get used to it then because these who are growing in the west are going to be an asset and a force to rock on , what they need a compact family that connects them back home. After 10 years Eritreans will be all over the professional world and sports . What they need is a leader that can inspire them about their home country. After 10 years I am 100% I will see so me great Eritreans that I now know are digging deep to excel on their dreams. My wish is they will not be so politically charged people brainwashed by these losers.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear blink,

        I love Nitriccay,,, four years back, he was the same and the bellow Wedit Tkhul song was attached by him …

        “Justice is like a landmine; you step on her, she will explode on you”
        Dejen Ande

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=137&v=13C3D2wpJKc

        • blink

          Dear KS
          Looking at the picture in this video makes you think, who is Eritrean Tegadalay ? I mean think about everything on their disposal at that time.
          1. They could go to west like most people in the west who migrated from 1975-83.
          2. They could sit home and have family like most did
          3.They could said I am Tigrinya, Tigre , ….saho , bilen.., all and creat 10 political organization

          Now many people are accusing these people because Foro12 told them a weyane propaganda lies . It is amusing to see losers accuse the bravest creatures who defy all odds against them . My hats off to Eritreans heroes.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink,

            Now, why are you going far ,,Be honest and tell me now but why are they without rule up to now? That PFDJ is against nature and this is what is going on..

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear KS
            I don’t connect my grievances to EPLF or ELF . My problem is with the sadist not with creators makers of Eritrea. These people in this video has nothing to do with the current problem. Any one that want to attach these to the dictator is not looking after justice but after revenge. I don’t expect some one who share the value of Foro or Amiche smerr be a Justice seeker and care for Eritreans. Do you know who shared and believe Foro , your man the Meles admirer. Our dictator has been on power over 26 years and this cannot be the roots of EPLF or ELF. I believe it’s any Eritreans responsibility to protect these brave men while challenging the dictator.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink,

            What if I will ignore the above comment of yours? Will you manage to know why? I don’t think…

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear KS
            I don’t miss a second to think what you think, you can simply give it to me with out any reason. But as I told you my enemy is one man , once he is gone , we can debate about the videos of ELF Or EPLF.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink ,

            You got it now. Don’t you know that most of the fighters of ELF has joined EPLF and fought till the end ?

            KS,,

        • Nitricc

          Hi KS, you remembered that. lol that is right.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Nitricc,

            I am okay then..Ha ha ..Lol can’t you visit that page, old Merhabe page?

            KS,,

    • Dis Donc

      Dear nit,
      They say people never shy away from taking accolades. That is what you show here despite the fact that these people are runaway people from Eritrea that you prefer them to stay put.

      Speaking of stay put; a doctor preferred to obey your “stay put” order but chose to work in Tikur Anbessa hospital. For you of course he is an ambition less moron where as those whoy risk their lives crossing high seas are lazy arse jerks whose ambition is so low that they are only interested in iPhone. You either have no moral compass or your thought process is so compromised that you call yourself an African American. You don’t even make an effort to know that name carries history. I, as a black man, often get offended by your indifference in differentiating between “nigger” and “negro.”

      Growing up in Holeta, there was a guy named Demissu Etana, whise father was a colonel and a party member. Despite his age difference he used to insist on playing football, with us for the sole gratification of beating us. After playing so poorly, when his team looses he then used to refuse to leave. Us, being low trodden, we never dared to say a word. You are just like him, here. Protect by many, including the maker of this site.

      • Nitricc

        Hi DD; I am glad you seem to have time this time around and sad, you are using about nonsense. You can’t generalized the Entire Eritrean people one way or the other. No one expect from you that kind of irresponsible comment. The Eritrean people have been through hell and after all that they are proudly still standing and alive. For you to call them names, you are the one you used check your moral compass and show some humility. because you are successful in your personal life, you have no right to come down on people who went through everything and won. Yes, the people you are ditching, read their history before you can call them names. And you are right every one who opted to come Europe, they were in search of IPhones and the flashy thing you die to have it. True, I said it then and I am saying now, I stand behind my remarks. What is worst is people like who have everything trying to rain on people who archived miracles.

        • Dis Donc

          Dear nit,
          You are just wrong on many things. You didn’t even know that it was published at no will. For your info, discus is acting weird. But unlike you, who blame the moda day and night I have to shut up and work on it.

          • Nitricc

            Hi DD, good! next time refrain from insulting the entire people. The country is going through some motions, that all. relax.

          • Dis Donc

            Hola,
            The world and this site has learnt to ignore you. Please get that to your fat head.

          • Nitricc

            HI DD; you go and make south-America great, and we will do what we can with overconfidence and uneducated people of Eritrea. that is all.

          • Alex

            Hi Dis Donc,
            Based on your comment in this forum you do not sound as Eritrean.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear SAAY, Kibrom, MS and Aman,

    As noted the Eritrean politics discourse has already formed when it comes to Land-first or vis-à-vis the opposite. The question of land and border conflicts are solved vía international arbitration. And international arbitrations are usually binding but are consensual between adjudged and adjucated. In addition, arbitration avoids problems with unfamiliar or unpredictable local court procedures. Whilst most jurisdictions permit the parties to agree not to appeal to the courts on a point of law, in many jurisdictions the right to appeal on grounds of serious procedural irregularity is mandatory and cannot be excluded, even by agreement. This leaves the following questions.

    Eritrea: it shows that she was adjudged; so why not go back to the international arbitration and ask for the enforcement of the ruling? World politics is divided by countries with differing interests. Western democracies are more interested in their survival. Given that, they expect citizens and entities (including gov’ts) to behave in equal footings, to be thoroughly scrutinized in any of their dealings (finance, political freedom, etc), to enforce and inform citizens of arbitration’s and judgment rulings, etc. Any action, outside of these, will squarely puts them on alert that they could be scrutinized themselves and will not want to have anything to do with you. Sadly, Eritrea finds herself in this category, albeit with glaring denials of most Eritreans, opposition and PFDJ alike. She not only practices public accountability but also left in a limbo of pariah state. Rightly, Eritreans feel short changed in this but unless you practice democracy you would not understand it. I am yet to witness a true Eritrean Democrat!!!

    Ethiopia: it’s been said over a million times that the border war was not about Badume. Rather the economic tolls and public humiliation of Ethiopians and their country, at the onset, during and after the conclusion of the war. Like I wrote above, did the two parties agreed not to appeal? If the war was not about Badume, why didn’t they go to international court, instead? It is true that Ethiopia spent a lot since the loss of Arab and even denied of port usage. Okay then, she should go to international dispute court and not arbitration. Better yet, why not appeal the ruling of the arbitration? My understanding is that both she and her allies know this (or came to the conclusion later) but they knew EPLF (by extension PFDJ) well enough to let him hang himself. After all politics is a substitute for war… only that Eritrea failed to realize that, while Ethiopia exploited it, to EPRDF’s (its surrogate) advantage. Even if you ask me why, I won’t tell you this, because I hate politics.

    Human level: having said all the above, I am yet to read where do the oppo (that believes in land first) differ from PFDJ. Would you give the citizens to vote on it? Meaning offering them democracy and freedom and negotiating over Badume later? Careful here, because if you give the wrong answer you are nothing but are only interested to govern. Or you are happy to dance with TPLF. Nothing wrong with the former only that it requires you to insist in democracy without Badume. I often sponsor old friends to come visit me in the UK (whenever I go there) and I see them being impressed with what they see. Ever time, I mention to them that every given chance you visit, you should learn how they achieved all this. Then go back and impress yourself by building what you see here. So I ask often myself often that, I see most people here 24/7 (which is good), if you want best for your country then I am afraid that that should only achieved by studying, listening, and working hard. Especially that you have the opportunity, that none have back home, by your mere being in the west.

    • saay7

      Selamat Dis Donc:

      This is road-much-traveled so I hope those who are bored by this discussion find something remotely new in it.

      During the peace negotiations, Eritrea did not want arbitration but a court ruling. It was told that the only mechanism is arbitration. The UN wanted AU to do it, but Eritrea insisted on UN’s The Hague to do the arbitration because, theoretically, the UN would have more leverage to enforce the decision.

      Eritrea insisted, and Ethiopia accepted readily, the arbitrators “shall not have the power to make decisions ex aequo et bono.” That is: they will not consider what is “fair” or “equitable” but will strictly interpret the colonial treaties, in accordance with international law.

      After the ruling, Ethiopia argued that the arbitrators reconsider what is fair and equitable, despite precise language in the arbitration agreement that prevents the arbitrators from doing so. The arbitrators said, we can’t, and they conducted a “virtual demarcation” and disbanded.

      And that was over a decade ago.

      So what we have is the classic case of winning a settlement and not being to collect because the losing party is broke.

      saay

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Saay
        Strangely we are saying the same thing. But why the hang over, by PFDJ and land fisrters? Arbitration is one thing and court is another. If PFDJ thinks that it has the casé then it should proceed with the reinforcement case at the courts. The int’ community believes that the case between Eri and Ethio is to be left for the courts. Thus I don’t see why they should be blamed. As observed, for Ethiopians, the case is egregious. Knowing all that, the question for you is, would you let citizens decide the case with plebiscite?

        • saay7

          Selamat Dis Donc:

          Like all catchy-phrases, “land firsters” is too simplistic: many of the land-firsts believe that it is pointless to negotiate with an EPRDF-led Ethiopian government because a government that defies the ruling of an international agreement, witnessed and “guaranteed” by superpowers is unlikely to do it in good faith in an even more free-wheeling discussion.

          I don’t know what you mean by “arbitration is one thing and courts is another” because, in this case, the court was presided over by supremely qualified judges making a ruling on the basis of international law. There is no “there” there anymore: the judges, hand-selected by the two parties, had limited mandate, they dispensed with it, and they are gone. (Some, literally gone: dead.)

          The reason some blame the international community is because the Algiers Agreement is a consolidation of two prior agreements (Framework and Modalities) and in those documents, the international community (AU, UN, US, EU) represented themselves as either guarantors or witnesses to the agreement.

          There are three ways forward here:

          1. Eritrea engineers a diplomatic charm offensive to convince the international community to strong-arm Ethiopia to abide by the ruling;
          2. Eritrea waits for a new party–new Ethiopian government–that is more amenable to faithful implementation of the treaty
          3. Eritrea holds its nose and agrees to Ethiopia’s invitation for dialogue.

          Which path one chooses forward is dependent on the probability of success. I consider 1 and 2 to be extremely unlikely, thus my recommendation of # 3.

          saay

          • Dis Donc

            Dear saay,
            I am scratching my head to understand the difference between you and Aman. Wouldn’t you say that there is a fourth option?
            4. To go ahead and build your country, leaving Badume for the courts. Future and present.

            Please forgive my ignorance as I have no idea what has been discussed.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam DD,

            My argument is let us save our people, the issue of Badme could be addressed by future governments. After all the border issue can only be addressed by governments, whether they are legitimate or not by their own people. We the people have to know our limits in reference to the issue. The problem is we don’t know our limits. we can only support the enforcement of the decision of the arbitration court. Beyond that,we have no legitmate power as people, but governments do.

            For the government of Eritrea, the only feasible approach is # 3 of Saay and the added # 4 of yours.

            Regards

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Aman,

            I am afraid we may not see any of the options in our life time. May be when kingdom comes…. as they say.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dead Dis Donc,

            Do you mean Yomel -Qiayma? what is going on man? long,long to be there? Ha ha ha!!

            KS,,

          • saay7

            Selam Dis Donc,

            Nothing to forgive, it is a valid question.

            I don’t want to speak for Emma but my position is similar to someone who settles for less because the person who lost the case is a deadbeat. I will do it, but I won’t do it happily and I will mention he is a deadbeat frequently.

            On option 4, if it was just about Badme it would be easy to do. It is about two governments who have gone on record to state the destruction of the other is pre-requisite to lasting regional peace.

            saay

          • Dis Donc

            Dear saay,

            On option 4, here is what I think about Eritreans who are holding on to the idea that Ethiopia and Ethiopians as their boogie man. Whether Ethiopia likes it or not, Eritrea danced out of the green, red and yellow carpet in 1991/3. The same holds true for those Eritreans who cry day and night about Ethiopia. If the Eritrean gov’t knows this it could have kept quite and build his country, develop civil institutions, lay the foundation for the legal systems, etcétera. So, even if the other side keeps beating its chest for the ultimate destruction of the other, it knows that it can do little, if at all. In fact that’s the current reality.

            Forgot to explain difference between int’l arbitration and int’l court. The latter has defined parameters, codes, jurisprudence, binding, appellation, laws and bylaws. Whereas the former has none of these, as predefined, except that the warring factions set out the laws and bylaws, by consent. It is binding except for an exception. There is no appellation as the proceeding lasts for a given period of time, and disbands thereafter. Hence, as you mentioned, even if Eritrea insists on going to int’s court, it could not do so. That’s because border redrawing cases are heard by arbitration. On the contrary, cross border crime cases are heard at the int’l court.

          • saay7

            Selamat Disc:

            Agreed on the difference of arbitration and court. Like I said, Eritrea wanted court (which has a more reliable mechanism for enforcement) but the international community insisted on arbitration because that is the natural venue for border cases.

            On option 4, I am not sure I agree with your assessment that if Eritrea or Ethiopia believe the destruction of the other’s government is a precondition for regional peace that they “can do little.” They can actually do a lot, irrespective of its chance for success, to force the other to re-allocate its resources. It’s like forcing your neighbor to put an intricate security system and hire a bodyguard from his meager resource simply because you find it useful to occasionally harass him.

            saay

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Saay,

            It’s that “Eritrea still does” is my question. It’s been observed that one destroying the other is nothing short of mutual assured destruction. That’s is because Eritrea can be overwhelmed where as Ethiopia finds herself in a never ending quagmire, akin to the last 50 years. Once you have a border, however poorly drawn, you can take your case to the int’l court. In fact thing will fall to your favor with huge repercussions to the other side.

            Saay, I don’t want to disrespect you or anyone else in this site, but reading you I get the sense that Eritreans are conditioned to think that THERE IS NO RULE OF LAW, especially int’l rule of law. A long while ago I wrote that Eritreans are either overconfidence of beating anyone or do not know nothing about law and order.

            I wish that you travel more, not for vacationing but for work and work-related things. You should attend court hearings, read law books of different codes and ethics of different western countries, attend house hearings, etc. I think Eritreans lack basic understanding of politics. Never mind, science, technology, medicine, accountability, etc as we will get to these things later on. Every time I come and read I get very much disappointed.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam DD,

            You said: “Eritreans are either overconfidence of beating anyone or do not know nothing [anything] about law and order [rule of law]”. Yes indeed. You defined us correctly. We are conditioned by the wrong orientation “kulu zikealo.” My article calls for “transforming our mind” from this and similar other things, taken as our values.

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,
            ቀርነይ ካብ ጥቓኻ ኣይርሓቓን :-). I agree with you on the need of transforming. However, extrapolating and attributing wrong behaviour pronounced by the some vocals to a multicolored Eritrea is not helpful. እሞ ከም ሓደ ዛር ዝሓዞ ኩርማጅ ሒዝና ድ’ኣ ሕቆና ዘይንሃርም? If some lunatics come out as self appointed social or political leaders and adopt such behaviour, it happened incidentally, not by gene or by education. Perhaps the absence of established self-rule, its maintenance or continuity and being under ruthless rulers for more than a century might have induced a reactive response of such ‘representatives’. I think bringing it as an established case to all Eritreans and reacting in pole-opposite self-flagellation is more destructive than helpful. ኣይትርሓቕ፡ ቀርነይ ኣይጓዳኣን እየን።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Hailat,

            ከም ገሊኦም ዝጓዳእ ቅርኒ ስለዘይብልካ እኮእየ ዝፈትወካ:: ደሐርከአ ካባኻ ሪሒቀደአ እቲ መዓልታዊ ትምህርቲ ክስእኖ እንድየ:: ተግሳጽካኮ ገለገለ ጊዜ ጠቃሚ’ዩ ሃይሉቻ ሐወይ:: ኮይኑግን አብዛ ላዕሊ ዘቀመጥክዋ ርእይቶ ግን አብ ለዓታ እያ ዘላ:: ንሐቂ ፈሪሕካ ካብአ አይትሃድምን ኢኻ ዝብል አምር ከም መትከል እየ ዝወስዶ እሞ ብኡመጠን ተገንዘበኒ:: That is who I am.

            Regard

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኤማ፡
            ተረዲኤዮ እኮ ኣበሃህላኻ። ግና ከም ንኹሉ ምድራዕ ከይቁጸር ኢለ እየ።
            ኣብ ዓወተ ኩላትና መምህርን ተመሃሮን ኢና። ቀደም ቀዳማይ ክፍሊ ምሂረ ነይረ። ሓደ ብጥዕሚ ንፉዕ ተመሃራይ ነይሩ ኣብታ ናተይ ክፍሊ። ሓደ መዓልቲ ኢዱ ዊጥ ኣቢሉ መምህር መምህር ይብለኒ። እንታይ ደሊኻ እንተበልክዎ፡ ኣብ ስረይ ሸይነ ክወጽእ ንሽቓቕ ይብለኒ። ሽዑ እታ ምስኡ ኮፍ ኢላ ዝነበረት ሓፍ ኢላ፡ መምህር መምህር፡ ኣይሸነሉን፡ ካብ ብራሾኡ ማይ እዩ ኣፍሲሱሉ ትብለኒ። ዝምህሮ ሓዲሽ ነገር ስኢኑ ክወጽእ ከምዝደለ ተረዲኡኒ ብዙሕ ኣይቀጻዕክዎን። ንስኻ ክኣ ካብ ሃይለ ነገር እምበር እንታይ ክረክብ እየ ኢልካ ክትሃድም ከይትደሊ ኢለ እየ።

          • Nitricc

            Hi AMan-H; when you said ” You defined us correctly” you should rehearse by saying ” you defined ME correctly”

          • saay7

            Dear Dis Donc

            On the “Eritrea still does”: that is not an opinion, it is a fact. Half of the content of Isaias Afwerki’s interviews is how the removal of TPLF is a precondition to regional peace. Then the whole constituency repeats it, sometimes verbatim. It doesn’t matter whether that makes sense or not; what matters is that the country’s entire foreign policy is predicated on this.

            Our desire not to disrespect each other is mutual, but I get the sense that your knowledge of Eritrean politics is very spotty. First of all, the idea that international law is governed by politics not law: it is the belief of every marginalized and war-torn people (Kurds, Palestinians.) More specifically, in this particular case (1998-2000 Eritrea-Ethopia war), because Eritrea had recent history with international law (Hanish Crisis with Yemen of1996-97), it thought it had gotten an airtight agreement by hiring the best lawyers, getting the desired outcome, only to learn that means nothing, nor do the words “witness” and “guarantor.”

            saay

          • Dis Donc

            Dear saay and Berhe,

            Yes, your senses are right. That I have no idea about Eritrea and have only been there for six days, in my entire life. However, I am not writing about proper Eritrea rather I am writing about achievements we can display to get respect and gain political leverage. In this world if you have anything that can decide future events, then everybody wants to be your friend and if not you are a pariah, guilty or not. There is just so much we can do to influence public and leadership opinions. Let me mention some:
            Energy: the future of domination comes via whoever comes in improving current conversion and storage capacity of solar energy. And that can only be achieved if one discovers superconducting material at room temperature. To do that one needs to master electrical engineering, quantum thermal physics, and lots computing.
            Software: this one is vast, but let’s see the Russiagate scandal. To date, nobody knows how the hacking took place. That is because llb and exe file are not know to have .net property. But imagine what one can buy if you knew how. By the way Russians themselves do not know about it.
            Intelligence: where do I begin with this.
            Etcétera: …

            Imagine what Eritreans could have achieved only if they have direction. But we would rather keep on marking Nitricc’s words and marvel at the marvel of Blink Standing on Denden.

          • Thomas

            Hi DD,

            Nitricc and Blink are actually produced by the good for nothing PFDJ. We here are trying to re-engineer/re-program them, but it has become the most tedious thing to deal with:)

            One thing the pfdj group are good at is producing refuges, they have become the number#1 in the world. For example, the world is amazed by the 27K Eritrean refuges in Israel. Also, the over 100K refuges in Ethiopia including the children, young men and women have been forced to leave Eritrea by no one, but the #1 pfdj group. So, I tell you brother, the pfdj are number one at producing refuges. Trust me, it was never easy to built those over 300 prison camps, hiring spying agents to create fear among the society, building the sawa military/slavery training camp instead of universities (closing the only university in the country was never easy), silencing the entire Eritrean society (including the former liberation fighters or all the civilians). You got to give credit for the destruction the pfdj group achieved.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Thomas,

            Yep, Don’t care about them at this very moment – they don’t represent PFDJ nor they give the reason..

            KS,,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas; thanks for PFDJ for producing refugees. You got a wife half of the globe away. so, don’t you think the PFDJ deserves some credit? It is amazing how you think like you are all that, dude, you went to Ethiopia to find a wife. I don’t think you understand the magnitude of that act. She better be half of your age. lol loser. You can’t find one in the USA? WOW.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            I upvoted you sir but trust me , I ask you to bring prove that I in any way support the dictator. May be you don’t like my way of opposing him but I do. One thing is clear , I do not advocate for military change , I don’t push ethnic grievances to be the center of my opposing views.

          • blink

            Dear Dis Doc
            Just leave me from your next defamation circle. You have been in Eritrea for 6 days and you have the rabbit courage to mention places you saw on TV. Listen you smart from South America, just deal with your helpers from Addis. No one moves with your crying skills. I don’t stand in DENDEN to tell you about the place. What is wrong with you ? Can’t we mention places that we gladly to be proud of? DENDEN was climbed by brave men not by Addis shenanigans.

          • Alex

            Hi Dis Donc,
            I never seen some body who generalize whole country as one. What do you mean Eritreans lack basic understanding of politics. Eritreans understand poltics as any body else, like we have brother Saay who is muster in simplifying any thing poltics even complex ones. When it comes to international rule of law, Most Eritreans are skeptical because we see the double standard when it comes to badme verdict and UN sanction. So it all about western interest not about Law.

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            This multiple choice is so complex and so PFDJ chose one option:
            1. wait till Ethiopia disintegrate and descends to chaos and since this scenario is guaranteed as predicted by prophet Isaias

          • blink

            Dear Isem
            Issaias will never do that too , he will tell us he will wait again until Ethiopia became integrated and have a new federal system. Imagine to wait for all these states to agree after the disintegration. Issaias wanted the border problem to stay like it is . The only person that wanted the border problems to continue is him because TPLF already used the war to eat Ethiopia by their Effort and other companies. They have nothing left to benefit from border with Eritrea. The aim was to get the acceptance of the Amhara and Oromo, now they lost , the least they wanted is border problems with Eritrea.

            That joke that you made about Eritrean historical places is a treasonous act.

          • MS

            Selam blink
            This video is dedicated to the faloolawi Semere Andom. Denden has a story and history. the disheartening part of all this is that today’s generation are acquainted with Denden/ Nakfa for its hidden prisons of young kids the tender that carries its name and which has become a symbol of Eritrea’s poor economy. Ayeyeyeyey….entaay’mo ygeber.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7cwb_yJIm8

          • blink

            Dear MS
            No one can give bad name to the back bone of Eritrean heroic places . No one , I believe these who buy pal talk lairs will fail badly. When I stood on the top of DENDEN and see to the eastern side , I asked myself, How did we do that ? I mean think over it , people with very little wedi aker on their intestine to dream to reach Asmara wearing plastic shoes ? No one on earth can do it , semere Andom knows very well he and his minions are in the minority’s of minority . I have no doubt these places will always be remembered as the DNA of bravery and the pinnacle of creating Eritrea.

          • saay7

            iSem:

            To paraphrase Robert Novak (RIP), IA has accurately predicted the demise of TPLF 12 out the last 0 times (2005-2017.)

            I used to work in a casino eons ago and I used to watch old ladies play slot machines: they would play one machine for hours (because ther was a “system” don’t you know) and say it was “bound to hit.” Sometimes they would massage it and talk to it, and the casino would give them cheap free diluted beer. They would go home, drunk and penniless.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear saay,

            I think 2 would be IA option.

            IA, I think he knows the advantage he has with time. He can wait patiently for as long as it takes and eventually time will take care it for him. He has been doing that all his life, he managed to outlast and elliminate his opponents.

            Right now, I don’t know if it’s the dismay the people have with EPRDF, any Ethiopians that I come to speak (not a lot of them) believe he is NOT a problem to Ethiopia, and they think he is the first victim of TPLF.

            Have you read or heard what Seyoum Mesfin said or wrote to the people of Tigray. I read some Dr. Interpretation of it.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Hi Berhe:

            Are you talking about Seyoum Mesfun’s address following the conclusion of the TPLF conference? If it is, I didn’t find anything remarkable in it other than that he calls his front the most self-critical of all the progressive fronts in the world and illustrates this by comparing it with the Chinese Communist Party. T Kifle used to remind us of that, except then it was in comparison to EPLF.

            On IA, we always assume he is diabolical and a few steps ahead of his opponents when the truth is he learned long ago that people have short memories and limits (humanity) to what they are willing to do. Lots of mob bosses learned that a long time ago but they were IQ wise not very smart. Al Capone, for example, was borderline retarded.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            I checked again and it’s in ethiomedia and they are talking on the same speech. I guess they are making big deal out of it.

            I agree on IA. On his IQ, you are right I don’t think that it’s that high. For example when said he would like Eritrea to follow economic model of Singapore, I think it was not a bad idea. But he liked the fact the president / prime minister rules for 30 years and they have national service part, and didn’t care about the real stuff that made it happen (diplomacy, peace, education, policy, healthcare, etc).

            Berhe

          • Alex

            Hi Saay,
            Tell us about yourself. PIA predicted wayane are finished. After people uprising & OPDO, ANDM start standing against wayane you can see the chance of them staying on power for long is slim to none.

          • Desbele

            ሰላም iSem
            እቲ ነቢይ ተስፋኣለምውን እዩ ፤ ንባሮቱ ዓመት ዓመት ሞሳ ከምዝግባእ ይነግር፤ ዓቕሎም ንዘጽበቡ ማይ ናብ ዘለዎ ንኽኸዱ ይምዕድ፤ ንኺድ ጥራይ ሰዓት ኣኺላ እያ …ንሕና ንሱ ኢና

          • Selam saay,

            If there were a government in eritrea that cares for its people, getting out of the quagmire would have been as simple as leaving this common problem to be solved at a future date, as many eritreans say so. This problem happens all over the world, and the main priority should have been peace and economic development, which have been sacrificed for the sake of 180 sq. miles of land. Eritrea’s survival does not begin or end on badme, and the world knows that. The tplf government may have reneged, nevertheless, it is not the end of the world. One should have known well with whom one has entered into a contract in the first place.

            I do not believe that the world governments are ready to massage pfdj’s ego by trying to pressure ethiopia, while the world is on fire, new borders are being formed in the middle east and a genocide is being committed in yemen, just on the other side of the red sea and nobody seems to care, and similar border problems are all over the world (the golan heights, kashmir, crimea, african, and many more).

            Therefore, things are going to remain the same for the foreseeable future, and my answer would be none of the above for the time being, until as you said, the one destroys the other. Nevertheless, on the contrary, no one is ready to fall over the cliff and commit suicide, and when both reach at the very edge of it, they might wise up and they will be forced to do the right thing, not for the sake of their people, but much more for their own survival.

        • Alex

          Hi Dis Donc,
          What do you mean Eritrea has to go to court. Either you knowingly try to be ingnorant to fact. What is happening with badme is the west are putting their interest before the rule of the law. Don’t worry once wayane lose power soon the rule of law will trump the law of jungle.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear DD,

      I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here

      Every time, I explain to them that every given chance you visit, you should learn how they achieved all this. Then go back and impress yourself by building what you see here. So I ask often myself that, I see most people here 24/7 (which is good), if you want best for your country then I am afraid that will only be achieved by studying, listening, and working hard. Especially that you have the opportunity, that none have back home, by your mere being in the west..

      Are you assuming that people are not studying or working hard? And also, are you assuming that the government of PFDJ is not a stumbling block for any development in the country. Do you know or are you familiar with story of many people, a lot from the city of London that packed and to Eritrea to build (e.g. the owner of OMO factory) who either come broke, arrested or displaced and in his case murdered.

      Berhe

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Berhe,

        I used to sponsor friends from West Indies once in awhile. Everytime they come to the UK or the US they used to go mad at their gov’t. Really really go mad. Questions like “how come many country isn’t like this or that.” “How come we don’t have this or that?” And they were ceaseless. I used to tell them to study how they get there, instead of being marveled at what they see and go berserk.

        To your point:
        I once met an Eritrean who used to live in Bohn. He, after 1991, decided to go back to Eritrea, with meager savings he had had. He failed miserably, I asked him why. He gave me EPLF/PFDJ as an excuse. I told him if he is interested in making money only, he should have stayed in Bohn, or choose to elsewhere to open another business. He is now in ILUBABOR, coffee farming. The moral of the story is we are obsessed with our Eritreaness and forget that we are humans. It is like a disease.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear DD,

          If I understand you correctly, you are saying we are spending a lot time discussing politics and our obsessed with Eritrea but instead we should also try to focus in achieving great things.

          Well I am not sure it’s the case really. The Jews did that in the past, they managed to excel at what ever they put their hands on, and the succeed in business. But they were always singled out and become a source of resentment. And finally when they decided that they have their own home in order to be respected and to have dignity, that’s the only way we can gain respect. To some degree it has worked for them, albeit at the expense of the Palestinian people.

          Our people right now are going through the same trauma…in Israel, in Libya, in Europe, in Africa and to some degree in almost a lot of places.

          What do we do in this situation? When we read the story of our people suffering…do we just think of our selves and move on.

          I think this is what drives most of us here and force us to spend lots of time. It may not be effective and we are not achieving much but I think it’s really helpful. We are learning, the hard way at least that, I believe few among us tomorrow will be leaders in our country. And when they do, I hope they lessons they learned here will be important for the changes they implement.

          Berhe

      • Thomas

        Hi Berhe,

        I agree, “Do you know or are you familiar with story of many people, a lot from the city of London that packed and to Eritrea to build (e.g. the ownerof OMO factory) who either come broke, arrested or displaced and in his case murdered.”. You see about 2 years ago I visited Ethiopia and saw many Eritreans who came to Ethiopia not to visit only but to open businesses. You know what the Ethiopian authority asked these Eritreans to show over 50K dollars to even think starting opening businesses. However, for the Ethiopians they are highly encouraged to open businesses and the Ethiopian business men were banking with millions of currency. Unlike the PFDJ in Ethiopia you can deposit or withdraw your money at any private or otherwise banks there. I believe the Ethiopian have taken the “Eritrea lebchachn Ethiopia lehulanchn” to the heart and are working against us in the businesses sector there. I think the Ethiopians are making grave mistakes by holding the Eritreans from opening businesses there. I think it would help their country if they allow Eritreans to open businesses without restrictions.

        I have to tell you, I was jeleaus when I saw the freedom of buying and selling (businesses) in that country. Ethiopians from every sector of world or from their country move to anywhere without the government interference. Simple thing that we don’t have that rights in Eritrea. Eritrea under the pfdj ruling is not for all of us, really.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Thomas,

          Mohamed Saleh Hagos, the owner of the Omo factory, who is killed by the Eritrean regime, was my classmate in the 60s. Like many, he was an asset to our nation. We miss him.

          Regards

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Aman,
    I was told that there was a discussion about PMMZ here in this site but not sure of where and under which article. So many times when we judge leaders, we end up making judgments based emotions (due to the effects they left on a personal level) or on the outcomes of wars and conflicts. That has always been the folly of compatriot, on both sides of Mereb. However, this only blankets the sheer magnitude of consequential questions. What has he left the country? What has he done for the citizens, of their rights and wrongs? Etcétera. These monumental questions will only answered vía the democratic and economic participation of citizens. Ultimately he should be adjudged by these two indices.

    Democracy: for this to settle and take roots, it requires leadership with quality of understanding and humanity, to construct democratic institutions, sometimes from scratch, in the case of Ethiopia. And these institutions put checks balances of public spending, citizen participation (in politics as well as its economy), and capitalization of human development. I am not really sure that Ethiopia has achieved all of these, under the leadership of the late PMMZ. This is because a country with a working democratic institutions wouldn’t have a 100% House of Representatives from a single party. And a humanity filled leadership would not have left a political system that is so toxic, will threaten the very existence of the country itself. One asks then, in 1991, did Ethiopia really needed an ethnic federal system? Sure, there exited and still exists, ethnic grievances, but were not there any other way, that is inclusive of those that opposed it and proponents of it? Etcétera.

    Economy: many moons ago I had argued with Amde that in democratic systems citizen and entities (including the gov’t) do have equal participating right in the economy of the country. Does the current reality of Ethiopia indicates any of that, at all? Sure, you may have a booming economy but is it serving all of its citizens? The answer to these and other pressing questions aré addressed vía human empowerment. I doubt PMMZ (EPRDF) did any of that otherwise, you would have had a non-marginalized citizen. Nor will it’s passport be ranked at the bottom of bottoms.

    Wars and Conflicts: since PMMZ coming to power Ethiopia had only one conflict and that was with Eritrea. The conflicts were the border war and the deportation of Eris from Ethiopia. Of which I will write about the former and avoid the latter for my judgements will be 100% partial. Many, here and other diasporas, hold a strong belief that he was all made for Tigray and no other. But facts speak volumes because he could have declared Tigray independent, while TPLF was in total control of Tigray, long before they formed EPRDF with other parties. He strongly believed that salvation, for Ethiopia, will be found through ethnic federalism. Nothing is wrong with that except that he did give space for other parties, never mind how bad they behaved! But he bid his time and forged alliances and walked into 4-kilo and stayed there.

    Personal note: I had debated with myself many times about writing this and coming back to this site, in general. Please know that I will only entertain meaningful debates and have no desire for anything else, otherwise. Plus, it may be a bit long but this is only a water down version of it.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam DD,

      Welcome back. Yes there was a little attempt on the achievement of Ethiopia arguing as usual on two opposite argument, and I believe it is on this article itself. Check the comments of Kibrom, Ismail, Mahmuday, Thomas, Desbele, Horizon, and others I could not remember them now. Scroll down on this article and you will find their In puts.

      The democratic change you expected in Ethiopia in the last 25 years as a third country, and as such very diversified society, is too ideal in my view, in the way you explained it. I believe the structure of democratic institution with new federal system are slowly but surely advancing. The rest I will let it for you to read the debate and share your opinion in a well thoughtful idea, as always you do.

      Regards

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Aman,
        Good to read your response. I actually think that I am the only Eritrean who believes that among the myriads of its mistakes EPRDF’s ethnic federalism is the least, to be concerned about. Unlike most people who write here, the opposite, I actually believe ethnic federalism awakens the conscience of many (to some form union) and will progress to ethnic politics, eventually. Let me be frank and write you that Ethiopia’s grievance are purely economical and not of other forms. And if EPRDF languishes then it will only be by its reckless actions of it being in a king making business.

        • Selam Dis Donc,

          When you say “ethnic federalism awakens the conscience of many, and it is the least of the mistakes by eprdf”, you are spot on. This awakened conscience will one day coalesce together to form a united entity composed of the different units that are willing to live together in peace and harmony, and the glue is democracy and economic development.

          What was done up to now was to impose unity by denying the existence of diversity. This is against natural and social laws. It is the unit that forms the whole and not the whole that forms the units, and we should start by acknowledging the existence of the units (the ethnic groups) first and give them the chance to come together consciously and voluntarly, in which case the bond will be strong and permanent.

          “Ethiopia’s grievance are purely economical and not of other forms”, if i have understood you well, most probably you mean that the willpower to live together is there, but the economy (otherwise poverty) is the main obstacle.

          If so, i have a slightly different position on this, and i would like to say that economic development and democratic development are the two sides of the same coin and the one without the other cannot walk a long distance, or reach the ultimate destination. Ethiopia has already reached a bottleneck due to the absence of democracy, and she is feeling the effect of it.

          Developmental state has brought ethiopia out of its stagnation and has turned on the engine of development. The fuel is democracy. In actual fact, economic development should be seen as a catalyst of democracy, and democracy in its turn a catalyst of economic development.

          Now, as you rightly said the struggle for political power may spoil ethiopia’s chance of winning the war against poverty. Unfortunately, true or false, it has been rumored that tplf activists are voicing their disappointment and saying that if they are not wanted by the rest of ethiopians, which is more or less equivalent to saying, unless we are the owners of absolute political power, we are ready to leave the union. Of course, there are many tigrayans (the majority) who are completely opposed to this scenario of blackmailing.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Admas,
            I actually meant the way you stipulated it. Ethiopia’s current ethnic grievances are as a result of economic disparity. You’re right also that economic and democratic developments do go side by side. If one lags the other, imbalances do occur. That is what you are seeing in Ethiopia right now. As per your last paragraph, whatever fights and blackmails one party imposes on the other, the internal economy was supported to function with a relative ease with very little hiccup, if there were democratic institutions with a defined checks and balance. But true to their nature, the politicians made sure that the economy remains fragile without them being at the helm; giving one benefit and depriving the other….

            Here in the Southern Hemisphere it is summer and folks aré vacationing. In chile the season is called estival. Thanks for engaging and I will be available for two weeks.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Kibromay,

    Thank you for understanding. You are 👍 great.

  • Desbele

    Selam Kbrom,

    Do you mean the sadist actions are tolerated/excused because of no peace no war situation?
    You think this monstrous regime is not naked yet? A regime which right now is punishing Eritrean families 50k for their exile and demanding 50k usd to receive them back is not naked??
    Here is Chares de Gaulle “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first. ” Sadly,you can find man peoples just in this forum on the latter side. I my self was in the Badme war. I really really dont care about Badme anymore. Save the people first!!!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Desbele,

      You brought a very important quote from one of the great statesmen in the world Charles De Gualle that supplement the statement of our own icon. Good job.

  • Desbele

    ሰላም ክብሮም
    ግርም መርበባዊ ሌላ
    Your insightful analysis is commendable. Thank you.
    The war was full scale. And as such both parties were working towards total annihilation of the enemy force.Even if Badme had fallen , the Eritrean force didnt give up to recapture it. I remember at least one offensive launched by the Eritrean force on that purpose. I even remember the date 6.10.1999. I dont think the fact that the war entrenched throughout the whole boarder would explain enough the motive of the Ethiopians. Both were engaged in attacks that would hurt the enemy most wherever it is. Remember the Asmara bombing and the counter on Aider?!
    The Ethiopians were at the time saying they want to annihilate the Eritrean force in a way that it would never again try to face them. ዳግመኛ እንደማያንሰራራ ለመቅጣት እና ለማዳከም. I am not that naive to totally discount that they had an ambition for a regime change by marching to Asmara. May be they do . But for me ,there is no enough evidence yet to support that account. I dont believe the POWs speaking under Shaebias microphone for obvious reasons. My other doubt is why they stopped short of their mission. Yes Adi Begio and Assab. But still they had the upper hand. Why not decline the peace talk and worked towards their mission in long term?
    I appreciate your analysis though. You are the best addition in 2018 to this forum.

    • Natom Habom

      selam desbele
      why woyane need another peace talk than the algier peace agreement
      woyane will be remove sooner or later eritrea is patient like they were parient
      for eritrea to implode whitin (wikieaks)

  • saay7

    Selamat Kbrom:

    Phew! I was going to tell you ሓሊብ ስተ (drink milk) but you might be lactose intolerant. Plus, cow milk was made for baby cows. *

    On your question: the reason for the 3rd offensive was so that

    1. Ethiopia could regain back Zalambessa;
    2. After having done so, it would argue to the EEBC (in writing) that Zalambesa belongs to Eritrea and it’s making no claims on it

    And the Ethiopian army demanded, as part of its combat pay, that it take the scenic route to Zalambessa and thus via Assab. (ቀይ ባህራችን)

    Keep it up! Get ready for Hayat to come at you guns blazing. This is going to get good real quick as long as the Disruption Squad sits back and takes note

    saay

    * and camel milk for baby camels MaHmuday

    • MS

      Ahlan SAAY
      Ask Semere Andom, camel milk is nutritious and actually makes you calm and witty. Hayat is busy getting wayanena in order, Meanwhile, I’m really enjoying Kbrom. And he gets loads of “seni” ….using Shingrwa’s language.

      • saay7

        MS:

        iSem? No, Mahmuday, our food specialists are Tes and Nitricc and, like all critics, they don’t get along.

        Speaking of food, over the weekend, I was at a Habesha restaurant, and the waitress asks me if I wanted my injera “natural” or. “enhanced.” And I said, “I want to know more. What are my choices?” And she says (because most of her clientele are hippies), “well, the natural one is gluten-free.” And I say, oh by all means, please give me the one with lots of gluten: it is what makes injera spongy and stretchy. Then I remembered a comedian who said Los Angeles is such a wussy town you can hold up a liquor store by threatening the cashier you have gluten. The hippies apparently don’t know that injera-makers in the West dump 100 aspirin pills to ferment the injera…

        saay

        • iSem

          Hi Sal;
          MS is correct, because the dude isem may have shared a story about camel milk some where in Hmeret Kolbay and hlet Qeseb (suburbs in Kassala, where Mussa Saleh song: lalle wo lalle Musa salhe albab jarhi;-)). Tes, yes knows food at the molecular level, Nitricc he know the trends, low fat, Atkins etc and that diet that low energy Bush is on;-)
          I once recommended camel milk when a friend who grew up in Asmara and Deki-Amhare told a friend “gaysom talley when she invitingly said to him Gebre gesse;-)

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Saay,

          Just on the light stuff..

          1) on ድጉሽተተይ. I think the dictionary Beyan is auctioning says that instead of ትጉሽተተይ

          On the Milk,
          baby caws drink milk. I heard that by Tony Robins. Even though I don’t drink milk, because I never really got into drinking (which I don’t think) I tend to think that his focus was on the commercial kind of milk producers. I think ጸባ ግመል or milk the way we consume it in our countries using the transitional way, I think it has nutritional value. The argument that other mammals don’t drink other animals milk is not a valid argument when it comes to humans. How about eating eggs, meat, fish etc..wouldn’t that apply the same logic.

          Injera
          100 asprin…really Saay, are you suggesting that there is no body able to get hold of ማይ ላፋ? Isn’t that all that’s needed to ferment the injera. I agree they experiment with lots of ingredients but I think it’s really ignorance (if they mix other stuff) instead of the basic yeast that humans know for thousands of years… I don’t think any other ingredient has absolutely anything to do with fermentation..unless it has some yeast.

          Berhe

      • Kbrom

        ኣንፍኩይ ቅዱይ ወጽሩይ MS saay

        ኦሮ ስፍር ኦሮ (101) መንፈዓት ሓሊብ ገመል
        መዳለያይ ኣቡኩም ሹም ሓምድ እዛዝ
        ዕንዋን፡ ወለት ተባርቕ ቅርደት

        ሓሊብ ገመል እግል ዳዋ ስከሪ እንቱም ሰብ ኣምሪካ ዲያቤቲ ለትቡሉ ነፍዕ

        ሓሊብ ገመል ምን ካንሰር ናይ ኣንስ ልግባእ ናይ ስብ ላሓየ

        ሓሊብ ገመል እንቱም ሰብ ምንባሃር ወኬን ኣከጃህኩም ሂፓታይትስ ለትቡሉ ሕማም ነፈር ለሓየ

        ሓሊብ ገመል ጽበጥ ናዩ ዲብ anti-microbial ወ anti-inflammatory እኩድ ከም ቱ መለሃያመ ከረ ዶቶር ዓብደልቃድር ኣከደው ምንትሓዙ Journal of Taibah University Medical Sciences ቅርኦ። ኣሃ ማሕሙድ ወድ ሳልሕ ሰመዓካ ህሌኮ ኣቡየ እዛዝ እንግሊዚ ተሃጋ እንደትብል ትሳሓቕ ህሌካ፡ ኣቡካ ፈዳብ፡ ሎሚ ኮነ ሓምሊ ኮነ ልብሎ ሰብ ለዓሊት፡ እስትዕማር እንግሊዝ እንደኣተ ወእንደፈግር ካትባዩ ለዓልኮ ኣናቱ። ምንኩሉ እስትዕማራት ላኪን እስትዕማር ሻዕብየት ለሓይስ ገዶየ!

        • MS

          Ahlan Kbrom
          You rocked the house my man. Two highly qualified candidates (Ehmmmm) were running for the position of Tigrayet language Editor: iSem and SAAY. Now, they know they have to apply somewhere else.
          ከብድካ ትብረድ ዎ ክብሮም፤ ሓይስ ወድ ሓይሶታት። ማሕበርና በዓል ገጽ ሓድረዩ። ሰብላ ሰይፍ ዎ ኮናት ዱሉያም ሀለው።
          On your reply to Emma, I concur wholly, and that was my argument with him in the past. As you aptly put it, ” Why do we put them as either or when we know well that the sacrifice of the scores of lives, first for our independence then for our sovereignty was for the causes of our rights as people and independence of our territorial integrity,” I argued along the same line asking Emma several times to show me the wisdom of this “people now, land later” something totally made-up!! They come up with this nonsense argument when someone criticize Ethiopia for its refusal of the EEBC ruling. I don’t know why. Otherwise, stating the fact that Ethiopia has run away from its obligation does not restrain one from working for the right of our people. It actually helps the position of someone by becoming consistent when he/she fights for justice in all of its forms. Ethiopia’s refusal to abide by its international obligation is unjust. Could Emma tell us what he and the groups that replay this motif have accomplished by arguing people first? How could you separate people from their rightful habitat? This is not about badme, it is about our right as a nation to be respected within an internationally recognized boundary.

          • Thomas

            Hi MS,

            To your contradictory “hateta” about people or land first, you simply should have remembered Eritrea before her independence. It is the people who fought very hard and evacuated the enemy from from the nation. A land is a land, it could be used any human/animal. It is the people who have a unique culture and identity who beautify the land and make it livable. It is the people who defend the land. How hard is this for you to grasp? Man!

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Don’t you see you repeatedly repeat the same idea .The people and the land so so . What is wrong with you. Mr.Amanuel wanted to kill people to get power from PFDJ, the only black mark on his vision is , he is not willing to arm his kids. He wanted poor family kids to die for his vision. He has no love lost for Eritreans.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Don’t talk about personalities. You can never be close to equal Amma. He fought for the country now called Eritrea and I am sure if he was not a people person he would have worked as a professional in a company X and enjoyed life by staying with his family back then. Please show respect, don’t act like “guasa”. I guess Amma has everything that he needs in the U.S. and why do you think he is investing with people of your types here? He is one of a few here who cares about people. It is because he wanted just prevail to his people back home. Don’t go out of control and state your nonsense please

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            It’s your understanding about him and it’s your right even to kneel for him nothing negative about that. What I said was” mr.amanuel wanted war to remove PFDJ “ that is the truth not emotional view. I give respect to his golden age act but not now , he is a changed man who go out his way to dismiss over20,000 young men who died in the war to protect Eritrea sovereignty and praise Meles . For me he is like Alula , Dawit and Daniel of the weyane activists nothing more. Don’t waste your time defending him because you defended hayat and here we are.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Let me tell you something I prayed day in and day out for the weyanes to help my people rid of the killers home. I am for any force available to help dismantle the pfdj system. I am for the surgical removal of pfdj regime. I support any power to assist the Armed Eritrean opposition and I strongly believe that is the only way out.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Ethnic or non ethnic armed forces, haha you are funny man , call the kunama and Afar armed children who could not even get medical services from your weyane cronies. It is only by the public built opposition that PFDJ can be removed not by some sale out groups.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink,

            What are you saying about Hayat the Queen of all time? She may come and here and now..

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear KS
            kkk funny enough you have 1/4 of her Desbele the unionists. She is working day and night about her new TPLA propaganda machine.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink,

            Did she show that?

            Where are you Queen ?

            KS,,

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Thomas,

            Very true..really true.

            KS,,

          • MS

            Selam Thomas
            Yes, all TPLF fanatics think I or the arguments I present are “instruments for the regime’s evil doings”. I get that. Now, a challenge to you dear Thomas: please show me where I, or any of those suspects you have in mind, said if Ethiopia does not accept EEBC ruling, we should not criticize PFDJ? Forget about fighting PFDJ because except cursing and promoting Wayane’s position, I have not seen you fighting it unless the term “fighting” has changed its meaning. OK. This is a small challenge for you. Where have I, SAAY, or any of those you blame, said because of Ethiopia’s refusal of its signed obligation, we should support the “regime’s evil doing”? I guarantee, you will not bring any evidence because there is none. As you keep barfing your nonsense, there is my latest challenge to the ineptness of PFDJ’s regime concerning our regional stand posted on Meskeremand and Assenna ( (and don’t ask me why I sent it to Meskerem, please). I feel bad to talk about myself but I walk the walk, my friend. Now, back to the challenge. Go ahead and show us where we said: “land first, people later”. Hopefully, that will help you prepare for engaging constructively. The point is that nobody put it the way you and your ilks are accusing people of saying it. Be bold, and defend your position that defends and promotes the TPLF-controlled position of the Ethiopian regime towards the border conflict. My friend, opposing PFDJ comes in different pedigrees. TPLF opposes PFDJ, too. I’m curious to see your evidence, though.

          • Nitricc

            Your Majesty; long time. I can’t believe you spend so much time to talk to DONGOLA. His views and takes are straight from Tigray TV. I am not kidding you. The saddest part is when ever the good people speaks in defense of the nation and in the best interest of the people, automatically they are labeled PFDJ. This kind of behavior and assumptions by the so called opposition has given as the PFDJ is the only care taker of the nation the only entity who protects the country. As a result what ever the opposition do, they are failed miserably. The sad thing is they don’t even understand that.
            Demarcating the border is not PFDJ or PIA issue, it is the issue of the people and the business of the country.. Mahmuday; please don’t waste your time with stupid people like the one you trying to engage. They will never get it.

          • MS

            Ahlan Gen.Nit
            I hear you and as you put it: “Demarcating the border is not PFDJ or PIA issue, it is the issue of the people and the business of the country.” And indeed, the nonsensical arguments of these lots help TPLFa dnPFDJ equally. This is a good area to explore in order to unlock why the opposition has not gained traction, something that you, I and may have been saying in this forum for the past years.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear MS,

            That is fine now. Just think about it..

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear MS
            My apology sir, you spend time on Thomas , it takes time for Thomas to go to deep sleep or go missing like some of his friends. Just upvote his comments and he will be ok with his current sugar level due to the ups and downs of TPLF.

          • Thomas

            Hi MS,

            Do you need prove that you are directly and indirectly supporting the regime’s evil work? I know you cannot handle the truth, but my evidences are below:
            a) You oppose sanction against the regime
            b) You oppose part of the COI and remember people in the report are direct victims of the regime. You think part of the document/accusing the regime for crime against humanity is not right.
            c) On the akria upraising, they stand was kind of what we call in tigrigna “langa langa”

            So my friend, whenever you feel the regime is corner or in trouble you act wierd and twist things around to serve your agenda. You always have soft spot for the mafias regime. I always wonder to know what your motive is.

          • MS

            Selam Thomas
            The gallant justice fighter, some brains just get overloaded.
            a/ I oppose sanctions and there are elaborations for the people who are blessed to have fairmindedness.
            b/ I don’t consume packaged resolutions as they are. I explained where I support COI and where I differ with it. If that makes me PFDJ supporter be it. I think we have exchanged similar qolo-TeTqo in the past. My friend, you and the people who wallow in similar nonsense are emblematic of what is nauseating the opposition. I will elaborate it in a separate format, but for now, Nitrickay can explain to you in a language you understand. Also, I defer to blink, my other pfdjite comrade. Suffice to say that the strategies many relied on for convenience did not work (in both cases). Emma would have served us better had he looked in the mirror and told us what is ailing the opposition. Time to put the task back to the people.
            c/ a flat out lie
            Your score: F

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Don’t ask me to elaborate it, but the answer to your question as to what the ailment of the opposition is simple. It is the unresolved societal contradictions that lived with us for decades. The organizations are the reflection of societal contradictions. They don’t have distinct problem ouside of our society. If we address the societal problems, it means we addressed their problem as they represent to the social groups of our society. If you deal with my questions in my article, it will help us to the ailment of our society. The organizations are the expression of the Eritrean people concern. But, We don’t have the guts to deal with it.

            Regards

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            I appreciate that, and I have a soft side for your concern. I do understand that we have faultlines; they have been there since their introduction to our region and they are all man-made. Men of good will could lessen their negative impact on our society. I remember going with you through the same line of argument in the past. If I could summarize my take, and I’m rushing, sorry.
            1. Social faultlines are present in almost all societies. they could be expressed in a myriad of ways: religion, region, ethnicity, economic status, etc. many societies including the most advanced country on earth, our USA, manage the differences in many ways and it’s work in progress.
            2. The current ethnic groups: Kunama, Afar, Saho, Bilen, and so on have the right to sustain themselves but one can’t take them as representatives of their “constituencies”. There are wrong policies that are affecting all Eritreans and we just have to pull each other to create an atmosphere where all Eritreans express their grievances. Then and only then, we will know if the current ethnically, religiously and regionally inclined organizations represent people on whose behalf they speak. I have expressed my concern that such an approach:
            a/ exaggerates the faultlines rather than narrowing them
            b/ is not based on researched out findings: there is no evidence that these organizations have appealed to their “constituencies” as evidenced by flat response consistent with the response of all Eritreans across the board. If your argument is true and these organizations represent their respective people, we should have seen them augmenting their ranks.
            c/ this type of approach, while trying to stir the feelings of the other social groups, it distances a great portion of our people, the Tigrigna, who are frequently blamed for the wrath PFDJ commits. It will not take us to a feasible strategy of coalescing Eritrean resources in confronting the single most adversary: the PFDJ, which has no legitimacy to govern. The Tigrignas are among the vocal anti-pfdj.
            d/ The opposition does not have the mandate to make deals on future Eritrea. Its mandate stops at a political program, and I believe most of the political programs of organizations I read meets the concern of citizens as far as equitable sharing of power and resources, something you have been arguing for. But the opposition does not have the mandate to seal agreements on rights of “minorities up to and including cessation.” No article 39, please.
            Finally, Emma, please understand the complexity of the issue. The only problem I have with you is this: this phase is one where Eritreans of all stripes should be working to ensuring the materialization of a climate where all Eritreans sit down and debate the issues you fight for passionately. As I have said before, my difference with you is that you are putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.
            Regards.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            It has nothing to do with “the horse and the cart”, it is simply a resistance to change knowingly and unknowingly. The more we deny our realities as exaggerated issue, the more we complicate our contradictions and our pains will continue unabated. We are deniers to our reality always with endless excuses. We can debate endlessly, while the solution is at our hand. Debating for the sake of debating will not bring solutions to our predicament. We are not pragmatists, we are simply bluffing in platitudes that amount nothing. We are not serious to our problem.

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            I prefer the intellectual Emma that you are. I am afraid now you are acting as a professional politician. Your answer to Mahmoud is called “Langue de bois” or stereotyped language. By ‘opposition’ it is understood means ‘the leaders of the opposition’ who are potential leaders of the country tomorrow. Of course they will be affected by ailments of the society they came from, but they are expected to excel and work towards resolution of those social conflicts. Is it helpful to dilute the responsibility they took upon themselves by spreading the problems to the society?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            You make me feel bad. I have never wished to be professional politician. Absolutely never. I enjoy my professional career of medicinal science than any thing. If it wouldn’t the predicament of our people, my be you wouldn’t see me in this cyber politics.

            Now, what part of my comment made me to look stereotyped politician which I hate it from my heart? You are my mirror to show me the ugly part of me, despite it will be subject to my clarification if it isn’t.

            Regsrds

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,
            Don’t feel bad. Consider me like a ‘Bull who loves his owner and scratches him with its horns’. It is “They don’t have distinct problem ouside of our society.” It looked like you were dodging the question with a good catchphrase.
            Best

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            እቲ ዘረባ ትረኽቦ ደአስኻስ:: Anyway, I dislike dogging. I am a straight talker. One of my dad’s advice I took to heart is “ሓቂ ትኹን ሳንዳኻ” and don’t go around the bush when you talk. No ከይብሉኒ::

            So are you saying our organizations are the reflection of our society? If you believe otherwise, what is distinction problem of our organization from the overall society problem? I need a little education on it based on social science. Could you pls, for you are all round versed individual you are.

            Regard

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            Come-on, certainly not even close to you when getting versed on opposition organizations state of dis-union. If as you said “they don’t have distinct problem ouside of our society” then they have really a very huge problem for being unable to get out of our society’s problem, elevate themselves to tackle not only those problems, but also propose an alterative to the dictatorship at home. The way you put it sounds like discussing their health status leaving aside the job they couldn’t do. There is no third person Doctor here, we are in politics, they are the Lead Doctors who should take care of themselves and most importantly work on their patient, the country and its body parts.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hailat,

            The problem of our nation can not only be solved by politicians. The whole nation should engage to address it. Otherwise, there will be no cure for our social ills. That is my observation from outside and inside the Eritrean politics. To try other means is just wasting our time and energy. The question now is how to moblize the entire society. Beside, trust me (though trust me does not work in politics), it is the societal cleavages that keep the despot to stay and ruin us until the natural death knocks its home. The Eritrean problem is a serious problem, and he will take us with him, if we don’t take care our house soon before it happen. It is not a joke.

            Regards

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            Why don’t you take weyane tank and remove him then because it seems the majority of Eritreans do not buy your removal techniques. You better abandon your militaristic approach then you can convince with your Meles visionary ideas of Ethnic based blaming game , “the highlands “ your favorite escape goat . Come down from your imagination because you have wrong idea about Eritreans.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Blink,

            I don’t want to reply to any of your comment, but your repeated lies forced me to give you one more try. I don’t believe ethnic based governance in Eritrea nor do I support Federalism for our reality. I argue for decentralized unitary governance. Read my articles and Stop this continuous lies. Using pen name will not save you from being exposed eventually.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            I don’t want your reply as you still do wanted the weyane tanks to kill Eritreans. Netsereab Asmelash your old comrade from old times tried that , he is fighting to stay alive for more days in some where in Europe. You do accuse the highlands day in day out ,what else do you want , is not that ethic thing?

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            We love our land and that is all about being Eritrean, you and your flank wanted us to hate it and that did not happen even though Meles tried hard to give us every poison available to him. You see ask any Eritrean from the Ethiopian refugee camp , they still will tell you that to be true. The argument by you and other who wanted to put Eritreans on difficult emotional choices of land and people will not work. We paid young men who stand on a slaughter house just to not let weyane dictate who rule Eritrea. You see I personally don’t know anyone in this forum who love Issaias or PFDJ but when it comes to Eritrean sovereignty , you will see all come together except of course the Meles lovers.

          • iSem

            Hi Thomas:
            I disagree with you. How dare you say the Eritrean land doe snot care and does nto defend its people. I remind you of Mount Denden which is till there, incriciling Nacfa to protect its people and its plan. Mount Denden stood there and is still standing up to TPLF protecting tis people, mourning the marturs keeping their promise.
            Other mountians and land and plains that u studied in Georaphy may not have life, but Eritrean land has life and cares.How dare u forget Awget, MaiHimet and Fah. Land does not defect, it does not surrender to enemey

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem arkey,

            Hahaha, thanks for describing the strange scenario in a condescending manner. I hope reverse psychology is well understood by these people though:) Right is left, left is right, bottom is top, top is bottom, the sky is the land, the land is the sky, right is wrong, wrong is right etc:)

          • iSem

            Hi Thomas:
            It is simple logic. The land will be there cannot be extinct, cannot get kidnapped by the Rashaidas, it organs cannot be harvested. We have to let go this fetish called Meriet. but they do not get it

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem,

            What happened to the slogan, “Awet Ni’hefash”. I think their slogan should have been, “Awate N’Meriet”:)

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Still the slogan is admirable to its specific time. What is not admirable is locking tanks over martyrs cemetery and rape old women, these two was the work of weyane helped by people like you.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem and Thomas,

            Let’s try to keep it simple.

            1) What’s the reason the Ethiopian government refusal with the demarcation of the boarder?

            2) with these record (refusing to accept an agreement they made) this current Ethiopian government and previous governments (Derg, HS), what’s wrong in ERITREAN are skeptical about opening up an agreement that’s already sealed.

            3) why can’t any member of the opposition, who are based in Ethiopia can’t have similar position?

            4) is it fair to suspect Ethiopias long term plans is to keep “no peace no war” so that to keep Eritrea in the same position it is, weak, economic shattered, the young leaving in droves, so that anytime in the future to have dominant role in ERITREAN politics by choosing sides?

            This is not about Badime only, but the demarcation guarantees all Eritrea boarders including its Sea outlets. By no means there is no room for negotiation and adjustment in the contested areas, if it’s done with honest and faithful.

            4) if you are willing to sacrifice a small piece of land, how far are you willing to compromise? Assab, Barentu, Massawa ? Where does it end?

            I agree if you are saying, boarder demarcated or not (because it involves both countries) we should do what we can do, focus on our internal problems, and saving our people from the wrath of PFDJ.

            If land has no meaning, why don’t we forget the whole Eritrea and leave the land. You don’t have to live in Eritrea to be safe.

            But you may want to ask the Palestinian people and what they are going through because they don’t have land or their land is taken away or leave under occupation.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            That is different angle. No one is saying land has no meaning. You should not give away even an inch of what belongs to you.
            We are talking about the obsession of “without securing our land we cannot have dignity”, you are suspected of something are murdered or disappear and reason is our land, that is what we are taking about.
            All the land talk is fiction, u even said once that countries have borders conflicts, eg Greece and Cyperus?
            We had relative peace when Badme was under Ethiopia, we can even have justice, democracy and peace even of Ethiopia occupies Asseb, it is irrelevant
            NO one is saying you should abandon land, after most of the conflicts if not all are about land
            And PFDJ is the last one to talk about land, they sell the land, that is the angle we are discussing
            And even if the border is demarcated today, the excuse will be land, we cannot have justice without first greening our land will be the new slogan.
            Well, the land is meaningless to Eritreans now and they are leaving, they understood that they

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            You see you didn’t answer the question I asked. Instead you chose to give me hypothetical answer. That’s consistent with most people in the opposition when asked to clarify their position with regards to the boarder issue and demarcation. Basically the sing the same excuse PMMZ gave. He said in the interview,

            A dictator does not need an excuse to stay in power, even if the boarder is demarcated he will come up with different excuse to rule. Which I agree completely but that’s our problem Mr. Prime Minster, why don’t you do what you signed to do should have been the follow up question but he was never asked.

            You are saying the same thing….”And even if the border is demarcated today, the excuse will be land, we cannot have justice without first greening our land will be the new slogan”.

            Now it’s not fair to lamp anybody who has this position as supporting PFDJ position. NO. In fact it’s the opposite….those who say this because we know PFDJ wants the excuse of the boarder and they wanted to rule and do not want the boarder demarcated. People say this, a million times …….

            I know a lot of Eritreas who have nothing to do with PFDJ, are trapped in the same thoughts…that they do NOT take the Ethiopian government excuse as it’s face value (except Thomas:)).

            May be I missed it, is this hard to ask a leader or an opposition group to state this in simple terms.

            IF not why not?

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            Maybe the debates was about Ethiopia, I did not follow it. But Ethiopia does not have right to be in Eri land, I have not meet any opp saying she has right. I do not rem what MZ said but a dicator may not need execuse but he gives it any way and some ppl buy it.
            what am saying is this: the occupied land, the demarcation is irrelevant to the suffering of the ppl. Yes, when IA thought border would be demarcated he came up with the slacery project. if some Eritreans are sill bothered by Ethiopia been in our land and that is their reason then they are wrong, the same excuse how dare the opp are stationed in Ethiopia argument
            1. Ethiopia is still in the Eri land because they can and PFDJ regardless of its land songs, they could do nothing about it. PFDJ wants teh no peace no war as much as Ethiopia. Th eno peace no war also impacts Ethiopia but they do not susped their lives and building houses like PFDJ

            2. not sure what u mean

            4. you can suspect, whatever they are doing , they are doing it in their own interest. Eritreans should work for their own interest abd PFJD is not, it is creating issue that doe snot exist. even IA said our border is demarcated virtually, he told them, but then he comes with the opposite and still some buy it

            5. No one is sayign sacrfice, where did u get that from. I am saying 99.99% of land is under our control, so now go live life, build inst. create ur future, build the future and who ever is buying the PFDJ line just PFDJ support in the closet, knowingly or in ignorance

            I hope I have addressed some of ur q

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            Thanks, but your respond seem to focus as if I was supporting the PFDJ position and excuse. I am not supporting the PFDJ government position and I think most people are.

            The question was, do you see the people (majority of them) buy the idea that, the government is doing this because to safe guard our country. What is that we have to do so we do not give him that excuse.

            In my opinion publicly supporting the demarcation of the boarder would help.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            BY:
            Come on now. NO!, I was talking about those who believe PFDJ line.

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            I have never heard of any Eritrean who rejects the demarcation of the border, but we have a major problem of yourself. Talking about the border issue strengthens the pretext for the dictator supporters. We don’t have time to talk about the border while the entire nation status is in danger. Are you not worried about the status of the 27K Eritreans in Israel?I would very happy if these people could return to their country and build the countries in the absence of the dictatorial regime.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            You sound like PIA 🙂 when he was dealing as president during the conflict:). Where is Badime, show me Badime. Reminds me the Sienfield episode, where are people, show me people. When Jerry advised the Pakistani guy (Babu) to open a Pakistani restaurant restaurant in New York.

            You want grantee before you do something..no you have to start slow and build your way up.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            I can dare to say that I have watched every episode in the Seinfeld’s show. Yes, Babu the Pakistani guy got really mad with Jerry. He called Jerry a bad man. Babu had a good reason. Friendship with Jerry cost Babu deportation. Jerry was a really bad bad men. True in the business world you have to wait years to see the profit margin:) We even have waited 26 years for the PFDJ good for nothing mafias. Really a waste of time for us Eritreans!!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            I wasn’t implying we give more time to PFDJ..but rather the opposite..that the opposition need to build slowly and build the momentum to engage the public.

            Ok we know the PFDJ is bad….question is it not possible to have any leader in the opposition that people can look up and have some hope….here is a leader material that we can look up to…

            And I believe that’s because all the leaders of the opposition are in a situation where they do not have the freedom / freely to express what they can do…..there is the shadow line of we must be sensitive to our hosts (Ethiopia)…and that’s NOT building trust and support from the Eritrean people who are even victims of the regime.

            Speaking openly and publicly about Badime would be a good start…

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Someone has to help me, but there is a saying in amharic that goes “Ahiyawn ferto dawlawn” I am not sure about the “dawlawn” part though:) In tigrigna, we call it “zhmiko aleni betrai hebuni”. I am sympathetic with our imaginary opposition groups because they have long become the victims of the pfdj regime and also some who call themselves justice seekers. These opposition groups in Ethiopia are like every one of us, the only entity that has the power to talk about the border with Ethiopia are sadly the mafias sitting in Eritrea. Of course, people will call them weyane puppets/traitors and everything……………….. This is like people have accused the G15, our journalists and everyone arrested at the time, the CIA collaborators. Let me tell you something, the Eritrean people simply want to be left alone. If left alone, they can lead their lives without troubling each other and without causing any trouble to the world. Let the people go one with their simply lives is and everything will be inline. In America we have Trump, but the people are the ones who are making the country Great. I hate accusing anyone without evidence, our opposition (whoever they are) have become a scapegoat by these lousy people like hope, nitricc, blink and their alike. Please refrain from giving a pretext to mafias and their yes men people.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Thomas,

            I don’t think you are getting what I am trying to say. I am not accusing the opposition on anything and I an not trying to beat them up.

            All I am trying to say is a strategy to help them gain some legitimacy and eventually support.

            I think we have said enough….

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            I agree it is enough.

          • iSem

            BY and Thomas:
            I have a question: if tomorrow, Woyane wakes up and withdraws from the negligible territories, which have no impact on our real lives because they are “occupied”, except in our brainwashed imagination ” because the land hugers told us so. Would PFDJ start building inst.? I do not think there is disagreement there, correct me though (BY) But most importantly if that happens would the Eri people, now that their first enemy has left and we our the lords of our land, will they rise? Is it real because Woyane is in our land that we are giving dictator the benefit of doubt
            That is the question
            I believe, the Eri are not rising because they cannot due to the control of their lives ( Sal, I know PFDj has no measn to control every aspect of our lives) or they do not want. As Yonas articulated in his treaties some 15 years ago, the Eri people tell you something in private once they are comfy with you and say something else in public
            So although no human being, even those who deny liberty to others love liberty, I think there is cultural component to our docility

            And yes, you have to be polite to your hosts, but the opposition tell them that too, they told them so during the war and after the war And Eritrean refuges get respected in the refugee camps than in their country, they have to be thankful and I am glad many refugees have said that.
            We had this discussion BY when it was rumored that Milkias and Semere passed thru Ethiopia and they denied it. I am not sure if they came thru Libya, if I were them and if my country was shooting at me, I will tell that Ethiopia saved me and thank them publicly “Zgeberlka giberelu way ngerely” ( this os not made up proveb Sal :))

            Recap: is it the presence of Woyane that is preventing us from fighting the regime, is it the lack of the opp in Ethio from talking about land and demarcation that Ethio is still there

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            You are not getting what I am trying to say. You are being very logical and very pragmatic and realistic but you completely miss the perception.

            In order to understand this, you need to understand human behavior, not just Eritrean but all humans. Most people have a Herd mentality.

            Long, long time ago, I had a Korean room mate. And It was the time when cell phone (Mobile) were starting to get popular. First we use to make fun of the guys who own mobile phone but when they receive a call, they quickly hang up and say, let me call you back and they go to public phone and make the call back.

            Few months later, he got a mobile phone and he was all exited. So I asked him, how come he got the mobile phone now (which is no good use) and he said “I can’t be the only asian guy without a mobile phone”.

            If I have to describe the reason why most Eritrean joined the armed struggle was, honestly it’s not because of the oppression but because a lot of others have joined and they joined as well. If it was all understood at the individual level and everyone thinks the same way, all those who joined EPLF, I don’t think IA would have lasted a day let along all these years.

            When I go visit family or event where Eritreans are, I tell myself, ok please be quite if there is politics and just listen and avoid arguments. Because 99% of the time, my view is completely different from most of the people who I am arguing about. Don’t they have the sense of guilt, don’t they have a sense of moral, how can they just think this is ok and move on. But the reality is, most people have their day to day things to worry about, they have their bills to pay, kids to after but most importantly they do not want to get singled out and be the lone voice.

            If I speak to 10 Eritreans, almost 8 or 9 of them would tell you, emo ezi boarder keyTeHanSese entay kingebr…

            You don’t have to convince me, I know the facts and I know who the real enemy is. What I am talking about is, how do we get the people to get so outraged and make some sense about it. So having a leader, who speaks on the same thought they have would make help to speak about this new leader who understands their concern and their worries.

            We talked about this but it makes no sense to me why Americans are so obsessed with their guns. I thought it was something to do with NRA and their lobbying….but I think finally I understood why they are the way they are. I heard this CBC documentary on Ideas where two journalist travel to the south states and talk to average people after Trump 1st year in power. And their rational is basically, we need our guys to protect ourselves from our government . They said, Hitler, Stalin and Castro when they come to power they made the guns illegal and took total control. And then they were able to do what ever the wanted. So they need their guys to pick up arms with their government in case they try to do the same thing.

            Now you don’t think a lot of them are completely wrong about this, but they believe it because they are told to believe that all the time.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            Ok. Good synthesis. I agree and I know
            Now, if the border ms teHanSese, do you think they will change their minds. When it was announced that IA was elected president of the temporary government, I was arguing with you know our friend in Ottawa, the one you have a big debate in my place and his excuse was until our country is developed we do not need insts/const.. So most of this border first crowd either do not get it or are apologistst who do not want to hurt our feeling
            We cannot really lead our lives (mean to oppose) by the crowd mentality. You make the point of crowd mentality, so are we to follow crowd mentality, my point
            Now USA guns, they are not told so, their const. says that, even scholars are not sure of the interpretation because it says melitia something, so they are not totally wrong, it is can be interpertation. But in our case where did they get this border thing from ,.from PFDJ brain washing.
            Now the right exploits the gun thing in USA and there is no place for someone to have battle magazines, but it the idea rooted in const. not emanating from the brain of a mafia boss. We can debate that it is outdated and must be amended now but the comparison is not apt
            The pattern
            when the tegadelty demonstrated: before our wedding (refurndum)
            Disabled massacre: how dare they before we guarantee our prosperity
            when asmra students: they are spoiled brants
            G15, when enemy is still fighting us
            on and on
            The opposition cannot and should not be guided by moronic ideas of people who associate border demarcation our dire situation
            Have we become so retarded that we cannot handle our daily lives, paying our bills and understanding that that Eri is under our control and the negligible land can wait and we should not be tortured and killed until Badme is comes back to us
            I know u are trying to be understanding, but by doing so you are encouraging stupidity, but there is times when keeping quit is preferable, I agree and do it often especially these days. I once told someone maybe he should ask his 8 yr old daughter because she can understand with what I am saying

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            Ok, we are making progress. You got most of right but you forgot one thing. The herd mentality…
            I use the example of the gun control to show how irrational people can be. Now in the US, there is the other equal voice and at least the support is divided. But even if it’s in the constitution, there is no reason that it can’t be changed, for something that was written over 200 years ago which had different purpose. They didn’t write the constituion thinking the type of guns they use today..

            Most people believe the boarder issue because it’s the only voice that they hear and the only person that speaks to them is, IA and his cronies..there is no body else who speaks to them. May be I am missing but can you please guide me.

            We are not talking about the heinous PFDJ supporters, we are talking about our own brothers, sisters, and cousins, and friends who have nothing to gain from PFDJ but somehow they are convinced that, WEYANE is our enemy and they wanted reverse Eritrea independence if the boarder is not demarcated.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem,

            My answer to your two questions is NO

            is it the presence of Woyane that is preventing us from fighting the regime—– NO
            is it the lack of the opp in Ethio from talking about land and demarcation that Ethio is still there – NO

            It is system of governing by dividing the populace and rule. It is also alike the CIOE put it, the governing by fear NOT by law.

            The 03 spying agents that has created mistrust among even the same family in particular and all citizens in general. A military government rules Eritrea and a family of generals plus the chief of the army, the dictator, are watchful of to any activity against their ruling. Even the whispers circulating among the society is carefully scrutinized or screened.

            The response to any compliant is harsh causing up-to own life. You are accused of guilty of betrayal of those paid with their lives. Of course, these is the major cause of the coma or going numb of the citizens/society. “grm mesheketi shitara”. We have to break this taboo chain to win over the murderers.

            The other factor is that the regime knows what is in the minds of the people and they always stay proactively to smash any thinking of upraising.

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Let’s try to keep it simple.

            1) What’s the reason the Ethiopian government refusal with the demarcation of the boarder?

            The reason is because there is no much damage to them. Border demarcated or not will not have that much impact in their country. They are seeying that DIA has determined to train opposition groups and send them across the border. So, they know every well problem with Eritrea will nover settle while the dictator is in power.

            They have time and again stated they have accepted the border decision. The dictator has time and again stated the virtual demarcation finalizes everything. I agree the border disput is resolved. Ethiopians are not pulling out of Badme because doing so will not guarantees peace with Eritrea (they just cannot trust the unpredictible dictator). They know that the dictator will talk about victory and he will continue doing what he does best, creating conflict. Have you ever gotten any hint about him stepping down? He just a crazy dictator and if given a chance he will be the next Mugabe in Africa. The guy has group to defend him at any cost to them. Gadafi, Sadam and other dictators did not have any reason not to step down from clinging to power. They never believed in democracy. So, my brother the problem is the dictatorial regime in Eritrea. Ethiopia has border dispute with Sudan and that did not prevent both countries from doing their bilaterial diplomacy.

            2) with these record (refusing to accept an agreement they made) this current Ethiopian government and previous governments (Derg, HS), what’s wrong in ERITREAN are skeptical about opening up an agreement that’s already sealed.

            What we are saying resolving issues in Eritrea has to be dealt in Eritrea (the source of all the problems is the irresponsible mafias in the country). The regime in Eritrea would not allow the country to have a constitution. There is no guarantee that the future leadership in Ethiopia will have good relations with Eritrea either. The only way is to change course in Eritrea.

            We are talking about two separate issues 1) that has to do with conflict between two nations and only the UN/international community can resolve this (send people to physically demarcate the border and no problem if this is taking much time). 2) Internal crises created by the dictator. We must have a responsible leadership to deal with issues in our country and foreign nations Ethiopia or djibouti. The crazy dictator will never want to demarcate the border and even if the border is demarcated, there is no guarantee he will make peace with the Eritrean people or the rest of the world.

            3) Why can’t any member of the opposition, who are based in Ethiopia can’t have similar position?

            The opposition don’t have authority to talk about the border and they are not even allowed to live in their own country. They are in no position to make decisions.

            4) is it fair to suspect Ethiopians long term plans is to keep “no peace no war” so that to keep Eritrea in the same position it is, weak, economic shattered, the young leaving in droves, so that anytime in the future to have dominant role in ERITREAN politics by choosing sides?

            This is a lame excuse for the regime to stay in power forever. This is what the regime wanted us to think or worry about. Eritrea like all her neighbor countries is a sovereign nation. The UN and the entire world has the map of Eritrea. Demarcating the border will never guarantee future conflicts. So, let us make peace within ourselves first and we will deal with external problems.

            This is not about Badme only, but the demarcation guarantees all Eritrea boarders including its Sea outlets. By no means there is no room for negotiation and adjustment in the contested areas, if it’s done with honest and faithful.

            Ethiopia has time and again stated she has accepted the virtual demarcation (all the seas, lands and everything included). The map/virtual demarcation map is handed to both countries and to the UN. The entire nations in the world can retrieve the mas as it is no secret map. This is not a dream, it is real. So, it is clear to the entire world including to both countries.

            4) if you are willing to sacrifice a small piece of land, how far are you willing to compromise? Assab, Barentu, Massawa ? Where does it end? Again, the Ethiopians are not claiming any international recognized Eritrea’s land (indicated on the virtual demarcation map)

            I agree if you are saying, boarder demarcated or not (because it involves both countries) we should do what we can do, focus on our internal problems, and saving our people from the wrath of PFDJ.

            I think we are in the same page, we must focus on our homework, get ridding the criminals we have back home.

            If land has no meaning, why don’t we forget the whole Eritrea and leave the land. You don’t have to live in Eritrea to be safe.

            The land is liberated, but still people are leaving the nation because the DIA regime is doing that homework

            But, you may want to ask the Palestinian people and what they are going through because they don’t have land or their land is taken away or leave under occupation. We will not ask anyone because we already have a country.

            Awet N’nefash.
            Thomas

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Thomas,

            Thank you for your reply. We are on the same page. The only thing I am not sure is, what’s the Ethiopian government position with regards to the demarcation. I don’t think they have accepted it fully as in without any pre-condition. I think they still insist we accepted it but we wanted “dialog” and 5 points.

            I think the position of the international community including the UN is that, Ethiopia has not accepted the ruling fully as is (no ifs and buts) as was in the agreement.

            Note: This does not mean they have to withdraw from Badime unilaterally for the boarder to be demarcated.

            I think the opposition should still have a stand on this and say it publicly weather they can do something about it our not. It shows what their political stand is…and based on their words, people may support them or not. If they keep quite….then you know what it can mean and what it can be interpreted as.

            If the Ethiopian government deports them, arrests them for such position, that will only re-enforce their position and they will get more support from their people.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear iSem,

            Thank you for clarifying .

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            You are so good in sarcastic way of explaining things. Good to have you always.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            If you call debaters “nonesense” remember that you are not debating it is accusing/insulting. That does not invite debating. Just to know it. Don’t expect people to answer your questions when you are calling them nonsense. If that helps you.

          • saay7

            Mahmouday:

            I really was not a contender*–just a fan. But iSem, ኣይሞት ባይ ታጋይ, better throw in the white towel because of:

            ሰመዓካ ህሌኮ ኣቡየ እዛዝ እንግሊዚ ተሃጋ እንደትብል ትሳሓቕ ህሌካ፡ ኣቡካ ፈዳብ፡ ሎሚ ኮነ ሓምሊ ኮነ ልብሎ ሰብ ለዓሊት፡ እስትዕማር እንግሊዝ እንደኣተ ወእንደፈግር ካትባዩ ለዓልኮ ኣናቱ

            I will be using እስትዕማር እንግሊዝ እንደኣተ ወእንደፈግር ካትባዩ ለዓልኮ ኣናቱ for no reason at all. So good, I almost did not throw up thinking of drinking camel milk.

            Mahmuday, you know that I withdrew my candidacy when I learned there was going to be a sword dance involved.

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Selamat Mahmouday e Saay

            Have you noticed BTW the song that is played when Merawti walk in to the hall both in Tigrigna and Tigrayit ሆይ ሆይ ሜርዓዊ በዓልላሴፍ and in tigrigna ከዓ መጸ መጸ ኣንበሳ ይመስል ካብ ዱር ዝወጸ as if it is only the wedding day of the bride and the bridegroom is no where. there was a popular song in the 80s that goes like this ናይ ደቂንስትዮ ድርብ ጭቆና please fill it Mahmuday.

          • saay7

            Kbrom:

            Don’t even get me started on that one! Specially after an offensive wedding video I recently watched. But speaking of weddings:

            ስምዓኒ ኣቡየ እዛዝ፥ ሓሊብ ገመል ለሰተ “ባያግራ” ይልሓዜኒ ልብሉና ዓለው:: ኣማን ቱ?

            saay

          • Kbrom

            ኣና ኣቡ እዛዝ ኣና! ምን ገባእክዋማ ደገምክዋ ተኣከ ልብሎ ሰብ ሽዕብ፡ ስሜቱ ትትከረ ሚ ሓዜካ እቱ ወሌ ፈዳብ፡ ሓሊብ ገመል ምስልካ እንደህላ ሚ ነስኤካ ዲባ ሓሊብ ሳዓሊግ፡ ማሕሙዳይ ቤት እብ ሓባል ወግረ ኢሊኣሱራ ወ ሞት እብ ፈርሀት ኢፈጉራ እንደልብል ኢሰማዕካሁ መለሀይ ፡ ሓሊብ ገመልካ ስተ ወ ረቢካ ሓምድ ለብዕድ ልኽልቀትካ ኖሱ ግላምጻእቱ፡

            ሰኔት ውላድካ ለርኤካ

          • saay7

            Kbrom:

            😂😂😂😂😂😂 ok, dying here.

            I brought it upon myself.

            (For the rest for the class, I asked Kbrom, who has been advertising the medical value of camel milk, if it can also function as viagra and he went all medieval on me and recommended I praise God and wait for nature to take its course.)

            in other words, no, camel milk is pretty useless on that front.

            saay

          • MS

            Hi Kbromay
            Something like:
            ናይ ደቀንስትዮ ድርብ ጭኮና
            ኣብ ዝተናወሐ መሪር ቃልስና
            ደርባዊ ቃልሲ ብተሳታፍነት
            ይስበር ይዓኑ ጾታዊ ባርነት
            I may have confused some words

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Mahmuday.

            Nothing confused but in fact that was the best..Short and to the point..

            my take home part is

            “ደርባዊ ቃልሲ ብተሳታፍነት
            ይስበር ይዓኑ ጾታዊ ባርነት”

            KS,,

  • MS

    Selam Kibrom, Emma and the rest
    I was to post this under Kibrom’s reply to Emma’s rebuttal concerning the late, PMMZ, but Kibrom’s rejoinder is no where to be seen:)
    Selam Kbrom
    SAAY would describe your input as “impressive”. The Arabs say, “In the eye of his mother, a monkey is as beautiful as a gazelle.”القرد بعين أمه غزال
    Therefore, Meles could be visionary for some, and a master manipulator for others. It is harsh to box a man who had repackaged himself several times in his short life. From a separatist/nationalist revolutionary to a pan-Ethiopian federalist; from the stringent Marxist leaning to liberal [revolutionary] democracy…I think no certain box fits Meles- I want to be fair to a man who is not around. He was a shrewd politician, easily adapting to changing situations-per his well-known pragmatism mantra-, but make no mistake he was as ruthless as any African leader could be. But he did it expertly through the guise of a coalition that never existed, and revolutionary democracy, which means wayanay democracy (designing electoral system in which he won 100% )…he cleaned Ethiopia of meaningful opposition that could have helped today stabilize the scene. TPLF cadres are crying today saying they were living on Meles’ lungs and brain. This is their expression, not mine, please, Thomas.
    As shrewd as he was, he had to cut Ethiopia to Tigray size along ethnic lines, they entered Addis with Plan A and B where if they governed Ethiopia, fine. If things did not go their way, then they would separate. Thus, they inserted article 39, which has become the Achilles heel of Ethiopia…
    I would give him B in his role in the economic sector. Remember: world expectation on Ethiopia was in its all-time low. All meles had to do was to ensure there were no ghostly pictures of famine-victims. He knew he had to incentivize the billionaire, SheiK Alamoudi, and it worked. There was a rumor in Asmara that Alamoudi was about to invest in Eritrea, but somehow could not. Now, SAAY picks the story from here, from his book, Issayasism on the economy.
    His oratory skills in rendering opponents shut up was unparalleled; his witty ridiculing and disparaging comments on parliamentarians who dared to question him were entertaining. The man was also gifted in smooth-talking and persuasive debates, a skill that helped him subdue communities that were suspicious of his TPLF and get the government machinery function with relative smoothness. His diplomatic skills are well appreciated by those who wanted to see Ethiopia get out of poverty and those who wanted him to project their strength in the region and who trusted him with guarding their national interest. All the above are not enough to place him as a visionary man. All the above are qualities of an accomplished technocrat who knows how to maneuver, something Bixaay IA is not created to exhibit.
    Meles left behind a country inflamed by ethnic strife where Tigrians are chased away from their homes losing their businesses to arsonists for the sole reason that they are associated with the organization that Meles built and led to victory. We have come to learn that the double-digit growth was fictional. And if it was a half-baked truth, it was not, anyway, translated into real improvement of life for millions of Ethiopians. The result is the mass unrest we say today. And just to be clear, this is something that the ruling party has finally admitted. The party and the federal edifice Meles created is teetering. Of course, few have benefited from the so-called economic miracle. Meles is known for his cunning tactics and his demand for loyalty based on crony.
    Regarding his role in Eritrea, I’m not going to waste your time. But I will say this: from all the readings I have Meles had reversed his stance on Eritrean independence once he secured his place in Ethiopia.
    So, comes the saying: In his mom’s eyes, a monkey is as beautiful as a gazelle. Meles may be visionary for some. And Emma is within his right to explain Meles the way he sees the late PM. I don’t have a problem with how PMMZ is characterized as long as that characterization is not used for stepping-stone to introduce Meles thoughts on Ethnic Federalism, absolve him from his negative role regarding the refusal of EEBC, and his intent to break the will of Eritreans through staving Eritrea to death.
    Remember, Bixaay IA is a visionary for some; Gadaffi was a visionary for many people around the world; Mengustu was once called the visionary to by his followers, and so on. People follow leaders because they think they are visionary.
    To me: the monkey is just as beautiful as a monkey could be. He is not as beautiful as the beautiful gazelle.

    • blink

      Dear MS
      No one can do it better than you sir.

  • ሰላማት ክብሮም፥

    ድፍረ መኽሰብ as Entrepreneurship is acceptable. And yes it does involve very much initiative and risk when ” we are taking it in business context.” Thank you for pointing it out.
    My emphasis at this moment is those who are ready to show both initiative and take risk on the micro level to have greater efficacy on the macro policies as opposed to settling for smaller expected values.

    It is not enough advocating for the base without investing on long shots with proven innovative streak and accepting ናብራና ህርኩት ሓርኮትኮት ኢዩ። It is imperative that cataloging and adding to the pool of new product engineers take precedence immediately. Marginal returns are diminishing very quickly for the sort of “entrepreneurship” conditions and circumstances of nearly past two decades.

    The Admiral Saay7 is even more clever. I am hoping he sees a
    Segue. ጻጸስ ኣይሓሰባን፡ አታ ሓበሬታ ከም ኩሉሳዕ ፕራይስለስ ግን ኣለልዩ፡ አሞ ኣለልዩ።

    ጻጻ

    • Kbrom

      Merhaba Tsatse

      I concur with your idea; small business is the central pillar of a countries economy. It is SB that Create jobs and spark innovation. In US for example, almost 65% jobs are created by the small business. More importantly it is the micro level that decides the destiny of the national economy, after all growth is measured by indicators like jobs, production, and sales.

      The small business owned by Eritreans in South and North Sudan, Juba, Uganda, Kenya is playing a tremendous role in the economy of the countries.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Kbrom,

        What amazes me about the EPLF and PFDJ government is, they think they know and could run the country better than the Eritreans who inherited the bureaucratic institution when Italians, the British and Ethiopia (HS and Derg) have put in place.

        I mean Eritreans were able to run the country successfully. I don’t mean the rules do not need to be updated or modified but the institutions were in tact and it was run by Eritreans themselves…

        My father owned a small business and we all know what the rules were and what we suppose to do or not do. I mean the was so much details the protect the workers rights, the environment, the city etc..otherwise you will get ticketed almost daily if you don’t.

        For example, there was the sp??? Officio laboro (Labour) or Officia tassa (tax) and the minicipia (mincipal) office.

        For example, If you want to dismiss a person for what ever reason there were laws that you must meet in terms of compensation (tiHgag) that you need to pay to help the person while looking for a job. If you don’t he can suit / complain at Offciao laboro and he will deal with you.

        If you own a business, you must have the first aid kits full. The muncipio would come and check if you have alcohol, tuntura, band aid etc… if you not you get a ticket.

        If you spill water outside the business area, or what ever that inconvenience to the pedestrian, you will get a fine.

        In the work place, you must have a private place (for privacy) where the employee can change their work outfits…

        We can say the same thing almost on everything….I mean all this talk is good but (about small business, Entrepreneurship, Enterprise) and all the fancy names are all good…but are we assuming that the people do not know all those ..when they actually had years of experiences running them.

        The PFDJ should just stay out of the business of running anything except the military…even I doubt that now, if they are truly are capable.

        Berhe

      • ሰላማት ክብሮም፡

        Concurrent currents:

        At these times of conducive and focused attention, it is best to employ or deploy what markets are demanding internal exports. Consider or contemplate the pros and cons of the return of African migrants home.

        ብትግርኛ ዚኖ ፎብያ ንኽፈልጣስ ምዝገብ ቃላት ተመልከቱለይ።

        ፍልፍል ሰለሙና ሳሙና ወርቅ
        ጻጸ

        • Kbrom

          Tsatse

          What about ጽልአ-ባዕዲ = Xenophobia

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Hope,

    Why don’t you leave the getting rid of TPLF to the Ethiopian people.

    The problem of S Sudan and Somalia is the making of their own leaders.

    The problem in Eritrea is the making of our own leader.

    As to GERD and Egypt..anta Hope, didn’t you use to go shoping BegiE (sheep) during holidays. Let alone professional lawyers and potentials, every sheep herder knows how to negotiate. You start high and the other person starts low and eventually you come down and he goes up and you end up in the middle, and you got a deal. As simple as that….but the negotiation breaks when the two parties are far apart, impossible to make a deal.

    So far the case was, Ethiopia we want to build a dam and Egypt says no you can’t. No deal. This time Ethiopia Ethiopia, I am going to build, if you like it or not. Then Egypt says no you can’t but when Ethiopia went ahead anyway, Egypt saying, ok but you need 10 years to fill it. Ethiopia says no only 2 years. If you replace the Ethiopian and Egyptian negotiators with sheep herders they will come to a deal (some where in the middle).

    Berhe

    P.s. I do not mean the example of sheep herder in derogatory way but to show as the basic of communication and negotiation and how it’s understood by common people. But I could have used, beAl bela Roba, beAl komidere, beAl beles etc.

    • Kbrom

      Dear Berhe,

      PFDJ supporter (PS) style of argument

      Reports indicate that the prices of flour and edible oil has risen to unbelievable level after the closure of border with Sudan, does that mean our food supply entirely depends on the illegal trade of 09

      (PS) ሱዳን በዓልቲ ጀለብያ ከኣ ሰብ ኮይና፡ ኣብ 80ታት ህዝባዊ ግንባር ኢዩ ኣድሒንዋ ክሳብ ኣሶሳ ከይዱ ብምውጋእ

      No I am asking about today not 80s, the prices of even wedi aker reached 72 Nakfa/Rbe’it

      (PS) 72 ናቕፋ ኮይኑ ኢልካ ወያነ ዝለኣኽኻ ካብ ትዛረብ መንግስትና ናይ ናቕፋ ሸርፊ ኣረጋጊእዎ ዘሎ ተዛሪብካሉ ትፈልጥ፡ወያነ ትበታተን ኣላ Human Right Watch ኣብ ኢትዮጲያ ኦሮሞ ይሕረዱ ኣለዉ ኢሉ ጸብጻብ ዝጸሓፎ ረአ

      But HRW annually publishes country report in regards to GOE’s dismal human right records

      (PS) HRW ናይ ስለያ ትካላት ዘዋፍርወን ሙኻነን ንፈልጥ ኢና፡ትራምፕ ጓንታናሞበይ ኪንቅጽሎ ኢና ኢሉ ኣብ ናይ State Union መደርኡ ብዛዓብኡ ደኣ ጩቕ ዘይብላ

      What about the recent government decree that restricts Eritreans to withdraw only 5000 Nakfa, isn’t it their own money?

      (PS) ወዲ ኣፎም ኣይተኸታተልካዮን ዲኻ ናቕፋ ገጥ ኢላ ክብል ከሎ ደሓር ከኣ ባድመ ተወሪሩ ኣየነይቲ ሃገር ኣላ ዝተዛረበት፡

      • saay7

        Haha kbrom:

        I see you are multilingual: English, Tigrinya, Tigre, Blin, French and now even ህግደፊዝ. When I was a kid, there were three languages every child had to master:

        1. “Keep grown-ups in the dark” language. You achieve this by flipping syllables (ዳሕራይ becomes ሓድራይ or, if you are from Edaga Hamus or Geza Kenish you just add an alphabet like (ዳሕራይ becomes ዳጋሕራጋይግ);

        2. “ብኣንጻር” language. That’s where you say the exact opposite of everything.

        3. ሕልሚ ደርሆ (“the chiken’s dream): that’s where you keep asking for the meaning of everything which gets annoying really quick:

        Q: ሳእነይ ርኢኻዮ?
        A.ሳእኒ ማለት እንታይ ማለት እዩ
        Q. ጫማ
        A. ጫማ ማለይ እንታይ ማላት እየ

        You don’t have to be a long-time observer of the chairman of hgdef to know that he is a practitioner of ሕልሚ ደርሆ (Exhibits: the series of interrogatories he’s had with Oqbe Abraha, Berhane Gebremeskel, UN peacemakers) and that the members speak “ብኣንጻር” when they speak of the injustice that has befallen the world, all over the world, except for this special justice oasis located at 15.3229° N, 38.9251° E.

        Also, Abrehet, what will it take to bribe you to be on the side of those of us who say “ድጉሽተተይ” and not ” ትጉሽተተይ”? 🙂

        saay

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Saay,
          Welcome back.

          Welcome back. I also say ትጉሽተተይ and never heard ድጉሽተተይ. When I read it first I thought it is either from Karen or one of those modified in ghedli.

          I think Haile S. also said ትጉሽተተይ.

          Now that I think about it, may be I missed the whole thing.

          Berhe

          • saay7

            Hey Berhe,

            Thanks. The ትጉሽተተይ vs ድጉሽተተይ is remarkably similar to British vs American treatment of words with “t” in mid-syllable. The Brits sound out the “t” and Americans (and Canadians) treat it as if the “t” is “d” sound. Americans says madder, budder, wader, and the Brits say matter, butter, water.

            But, really, ትጉሽተተይ? Sounds ticklish to me. In any event, we are arguing about nothing because I doubt anyone who is 30 or younger has ever used the word 🙂

            saay

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            To hear this ድጉሽተተይ thing is “my first ear:) “bokri ezney” here. I think ትጉሽተተይ more popular to many.

  • Thomas

    Hi the Awate people,

    Enterprising means “ህርኩት”. Ready to take a project or initiative and is diligent.

    • Peace!

      Hi Thomas,

      Where is my credit? come on:(

      peace!

      • Thomas

        Peace Arkey,

        You are the winner then:) I have read your tigrigna writing here so I am not surprised though.

        Congratulations brother man:)

        • Peace!

          Hi Thomas,

          ነብስኻባ ኣውጺእካያ ን SK ክጽውዖ ሐሲበ ነይረ 🙂

          Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            I am sure your world cannot be the same without SK around. SK if you are around, could you check my grammar please? Also, now I am ready to go all the way to Eritrea or border of the country and to start taking actions against DIA so you can no more call me an empty talk with no actions. Are you ready to spend your money and buy me a one-way airfare? You know you promised to do this for me.

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomi,

            I think ኣኽቢድናሉ ኢና መስለኒ I haven’t seen him nor any trace of him since—we let him have it:) He is an entertainer; hopefully, he comes back soon.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            I don’t he will come soon unless the topic of discussion is religion. For some reasons, he says he is a non believer but enjoys discussion about religion. Strange:)

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            I like when he goes “you said ….what made you say that… Last time when HOPE tried to defend him I was a bit confused and then few hours later, to my relief, DD advised hope to see a shrink.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            Hahahaha. SK is unpredictable and I think that is the reason he likes DIA/dictatorial government. He likes strong man to lead the nation. Simon K says only a dictator can lead the difficult people of Eritrea:) So no democracy or rule of law, but by the power of guns and abuses can Eritrea be run/lead (according SK)

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Moving to the latest news, is it true Egyptian president Al-SiSi has been elected as a chairman for African Union for two years? If it turns out to be true, it is sad and embarrassing.

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            No, Paul Kagame is the new chairman.

            This is what he said in his speech

            “Africa must create a single continental market, integrate its infrastructure, build its economy relying on technology and ensure free movement of people in Africa which can be achieved in 2018.”

            I think really positive news for Africans. Too bad Eritreans will be left out because of the maniac at home.

            On different note: Egypt, Ethiopia and Sudan had a closed door meeting with regards to GERD. And AlSisi said, we have resolved our issue:).

            I think this is important step for Ethiopia to settle this issue with Egypt and focus on it’s internal problems. Their stability is key not only for them but for the whole continent as they are the base for AU and being main player in aviation / transportation.

            Berhe

          • Peace!

            Hi Berhino,

            Thank you for the prompt info! This is a crucial time for Africans to elect a visionary leader as the continent increasingly becoming a hub for massive investments. And as for the Ethio-Egypt issue, that’s really good news, and hopefully, Sudan will open its border and let our people breath.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            Sorry for the delay but I have the same answer as Berhe has. I think the Kagame/agame guy has been elected as chairman:)

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            I like what you said, “I think this is important step for Ethiopia to settle this issue with
            Egypt and focus on it’s internal problems. Their stability is key not
            only for them but for the whole continent as they are the base for AU
            and being main player in aviation / transportation.”

            “tetenkek” peace emni hizu ab angolo yitsibeyeka alo:) Peace only sees Ethiopia after the weyane/tplf are gone:)

            Hi Peace,

            I am turning SK on you now:)

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            Honestly, based on Amde last update, I don’t think they understand the storm that’s coming towards them. You can’t stop a storm, you have to make ways for it to pass or run far away it doesn’t reach you.

            This sounds really simplistic but best option would be for EPRDF to resign now for lack of confidence, (not wait until the election) and let them have an election. He can do so to save face….I am resigning because of the recent violence and how the government handled the situation and lack of confidence in the public there for I resign …blah..blah…

            The military and the security stay in tact…security the people, public infrastructure and etc…and have smooth transition.

            What ever the problem they have it will be the next government problem to sort it out….

            But I am afraid I don’t think they are ready to think like that, let alone to believe that they (TPLF) can easily be washed away with the storm if they don’t stay out of it’s way.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Most important thing for me as an Eritrea is to see the current government run Ethiopia until Ethiopio-Eritrea problem is resolved. I am saying this because it is easier to deal with the known problem than to expect honey pour from the sky.

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            The one that has to resign is the security apparatuses of TPLF, it is the security people who are creating problems for all Ethiopians to guard very few corrupt EPRDF officials. The security apparatuses and its economy structure needs a complete make through not the PM. The PM is just a symbolic road for Dr. Korean girls lover . The states can guard their house with out interference from a weyane lead security apparatuses. Agazi and other killers are only working to protect very few rich individuals not the Ethiopian people. EPRDF needs to be thrown out and new structures are need and it must be away from Meles vision of ethnic politics.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            The wayane regime will always be your nightmare. Let’s say the wayane pulled their army force to their tigray and recruit their 8 million people to attack Eritrea. Who is going to stop them then? The oromos or the amharas?

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            The notion Tigray alone can dictate Ethiopian foreign policy is hallow like the past one, we are talking about Ethiopia not one zone of Ethiopia. Tigray is just a state not a sovereign country, don’t you get that. TPLF fought for a state in Ethiopia not a country. If Tigray people get through the article 39 and you just have to look at the Map of Ethiopia. Your blind support for weyane didn’t help you realize the reality. 8 million with what ? Through Djibouti?? Think again

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            I know you will not get it, but what is the population of Tigray? I am afraid that Ethiopia might go to civil war and as the tigrians defend their country the issue of Ethiopia-Eritrea might never come to an end. Of course, the issayas regime will be very happen to use the chaos as an excuse and remain in power by using national security as an excuse.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Population!!! You are being elementary at this . Population has nothing to do with any thing. If it was about Population you could have your cake long time ago but that is not the case. Ethiopia will not go to civil war not at least 4% vs 96% . If the opposition wanted to dismantle Tigray people, well Eritreans, Sudanese and the international world will stop it . The Amhara and Oromo people doesn’t have a long held hate against the Tigray people, their problems are completely about TPLF. TPLF doesn’t really account for all Tigrians . I really cannot see Eritreans problem only with TPLF

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            You might as well remember the 96% had their time during the derg and HS time. They crushed the tigrians until the 4/6%, the EPRP and other alliances over thrown the derg regime. Also, remember our EPLF (30 years) and TPLF (17 years) fought the derg regime. I heard you saying time and again EPLF = ~Eritrean people and how can you have a different stand when I tell you TPLF = ~ tigrian people.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Before 1991 there was no another motive for any Eritrean to go along EPLF and the same goes to any group in Ethiopia but at this time TPLF as the makers and destiny of Ethiopia could not hold the largest portion of the Ethiopian people. We are talking about a misplaced perspective sir . TPLF has done very little in advocating the Ethiopian people cause . At this time the cause for opposing EPRDF are quite different than the last leaders of Ethiopia. At this time Ethiopians are divided across ethnic lines and this was done by Meles ( visionary as Amanuel Hidrat use to call him) . The relationship between Eritreans and EPLF was not based on Ethnicity but about liberating Eritreans land from colonialism . You see the difference is really not similar. TPLF is and was only about Ethnicity not about Unity of Ethiopians. It has divided Ethiopia across ethnic lines in order to have power but as you can see their master plan is done but destroyed . The notion you have in your head as “Tigray 8 million vs Eritrea “ is simply away from the reality. We are talking about Oromo and Amhara to have their rightful place in Ethiopian political share .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            What you wrote above is like “enta tie yizerie aleku”:) Again think deep!

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            I can understand your frustration because you have been telling us “in Ethiopia people are making money “ yet your dream Ethiopia was and still is without the 96% of Ethiopians. Sad to see you suffer in such way . So TPLF =Tigray people is the equation at your head. I will not give such information to the Oromo and Amhara. Have seen what happened in Gonder??

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Blink,
            You can’t comment without mentioning Amanuel. Right Blink? Like the saying goes “ንሕማም ርእሲ ስተየሉ ሐዲኡ ከፍልጠሉ” let me add to your throbbing headache this: I wish to have a smart and an intelligent like Meles at the helm of the state of Eritrea – a stateman who focuses on poverty, education, and economic development, and laid the current economic and infra-structural development in Ethiopia. How about it now Blink?

          • Hope

            Selam Ato Amanuel Hidrat:
            But it was your crooked Meles Zenawi,who designed and executed the:
            -The deportaion of more than 80,000 Eritreans and Ethiopian sof Eritrean origin by stealing and confiscating therir life long earnings coz he didn’t like the color of their eyes.
            -Unilateral Adi Murug Invasion
            -The stealing and encroaching of a big chunk of Eritrean Sovereign land- at least on paper thru his new Abay Tigray Map and new TPLF Birr
            -unilateral sabotage of the Aseb port in particular and the Eritrean Economy in general
            -Fake conditions to sanction Eritrea
            -The Policies of Isolation,Containment,No War No Peace Policy;Diplomatic,economic sabotages and all other evil agenda against Eritrea and Eritreans,on which u et al were part and parcel of—in the name of regime change without giving a due consideration to the Eritrean People.
            -Eritrean Youth Exodus/the EDF members by publically declaring that he will build Refugee camps in Tigray through a campaign fully supported by his sponsors to drain Eritrea from its Human resources and thereby make Eritrea to collapse overnight.
            Ato Amanuel Hidrat’s answer,as usual,shall be:”The Visionary MZ did that for his National Security Interest”.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            The thing about you is sir , you are almost the activist from adwa forTPLF and I wonder how is that even possible for a guy who wish a democracy in his hometown and yet praise a dictator in Ethiopia, hypocrisy is the best explanation. Admit it your visionary leader Meles plan is Gone as we all know it. May be you didn’t know Ethiopia at this time , your eyes are all but about Mekele and Addis , where have you been except the conference of awasa . The inflated numbers don’t represent the Ethiopians pockets. Meles was a dictator and he was just a slinky talker about things he wanted to control and rule. Meles was a Genociders ruler nothing else. But I gave you a pass because there were people who admired Mengstu too .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Blink,

            If I sound an activist from Adwa, sure enough, you sound an activist from Tembien who are ruling Eritrea with iron fist. Don’t you think so Blink? Pls don’t bring such childish talk. Listen to the adults talk from the forumers like Ismail, Yohannes, Beyan…..etc. But a brainwashed of PFDJ has no cure from talking wild accusations.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            You said I should listen to the adults like Ismael , yohannes and Beyan , why would I be lectured about Meles from Ismael or any one? Meles blue print is cold blood running on the streets of Ethiopia. There is no as such socio development, it is only on your head and the weyane salesmen.
            I oppose the dictator at home but I oppose without blaming the highlanders like you do day and night. The fact you believe I support Issaias and you oppose while dividing Eritreans is illogical to go to . Meles is a dictator to almost 90% Ethiopians and that is becoming beyond any debatable issue by the day.
            By the way stop using your age or anyone’s age In advancing your views about your so called visionary leader , you do not need to even mention his name to any one. Anyone know that he was a dictator bloody power hungry man. Why would any one need any explanation about Meles from you or any weyane cadre .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Blink,

            Listening to the gentlemen I have mentioned is not about Meles, it is on about how they are focused on the issue that matters to us Eritreans. But the problem with you is, you don’t want it.
            If we raise issue about the Eritrean despot and his political game to sustain his power, you keep to utter the same question like your boss, where is the proof?

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            I 100% oppose PFDJ and I say this waiting its end with no more back but don’t accuse me supporting them because I rejected your visionary leader. When you and Ismael or Beyan talk about Eritrea and it’s people, I squeeze my heart to breath for more but not on any Ethiopian leaders. It is not a secret I hate Ethiopian leaders until now.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Blink,

            I haven’t seen you in this forum making an argument against the regime, except defending it when forumers made against the regime’s policy and its modern slavery against our youth that made them to escape from the country. ሻጥርካ ንኻልእ ብሎ ሓው ብሊንክ:: But you never failed to argue on Ethiopian issue, and as such all out of hate.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            I will not give up vote for example for the news like the C130 Egyptian military, 2000 Eritreans in Somalia , removing PFDJ by weyane tanks or any kind of that or I would not clap to any one who demise our past in connection to the man at the helm , these points do not make me supporting PFDJ far from it. For example I support removing the man by public up rising from inside in a coordinated way . Now mention the policy I defended? NB please don’t come up with opposing military actions because it was not my type and it would not be now. I oppose ethnic politics but this is not to shutdown any one because I have no power to do that. But life is a learning curve and who knows tomorrow . Why is that defending Eritreans history and their bravery seen by some as defending the regime in Asmara? Now we all know we all are different and so do our views but we cannot see different justice sir . An Oromo ,Yemeni or Eritreans Justice must have the same line. I see you defending weyane while trying to accuse people of contempt for PFDJ, what do you call that ?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Blink,
            You say; “I support the removing of the man by public uprising”. Weygug, Antum sebat, didn’t you oppose the “ Akriya uprising” characterizing it as religious movement? If the Seraye or Akeleguzay people, or any region of Eritrea for that matter demonstrates , I am sure you will characterize it as regionalist. Brother, You have all the excuses not to support any movement against the regime. We have all the record of your resistance against the resistance movement, Blink.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel
            For me there is no seraye or Akologuzay, it is just an old play book . Regionalist oh my thoughts. The fact that you assume such is showstopper .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            I am sorry no one will buy that you oppose the PFDJ regime when all you do is attack those are practically working hard. You were even fierious against the akridya/aboi Musa upraising. Sorry I don’t have a name for you except a die hard supporter of the mafias group.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            How about your unhinged support for weyane and the wish to be Ethiopian and yet think you care about Eritreans? I am not begging Mr.Amanuel approval, do you think I care what you and many Weyane minions think? What I am saying is Gashe Thomas እሱ ቀድሞ እንደይሞት! እግረ ቀጭን ይሞተል ሲበል እግረ ደንዳና ሞተ አሉ . Get your uniform.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Ema,

            ምዉት ደኣ ኣይክሰስን ኢዩ እምበር with all due respect PM Meles Zenawi (RIP) was in the category of dictators, may be benevolent dictator! Yes, he has a lot of good qualities, however when you see it from a statesman’s perspective, it is difficult to put him as a ‘visionary’. Leaders are judged by their service to the people, mainly what they do at present and how they shape the future. May be he was an ideologue but what matters in leadership is if action is consistently displayed in their integrity and character.

            What is unfolding in Ethiopia is the result of his leadership, (political, economic and security domination of one people over the other), in fact TPLF and then EPRDF in their recent marathon conferences (November 2018 -January 2018) criticised Meles strongly and shouldered him and themselves the responsibility for the current situation. Report indicate that one of the reasons that Azeb Mesfin (Gola) bursted out from the conference is related to the conferences discussion around PM Meles.

            In regard to Eritrea, his decision to deport 70,000 Eritreans,including women and children, and his infamous ‘color eyes’ statement was one of his strategic mistakes.

            Having said that, this does not mean to deny the great achievements he scored. He had managed to place himself as African representative in many international forums, a role that is now hunted by Rwanda’s Kagame.

            Nevertheless, Ema hawey you are entitled to have your opinion and we have to respect your opinion, after all ‘greatness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            ዝሞተ ኣይኽሰስ፡ ዝፈሰሰ ኣይሕፈስ.
            ኣይፋል! Please check Jebena for my reaction.

          • Kbrom

            Selam Haile

            What is Jebena? My apology if I should have known it by now.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            Jebena is a section of Awate where art and culture related things are posted. I hope the below link leads you there. Otherwise on the man Awate page it appears on top rightside on computer screen or down before list of comments on a cellphone.
            http://awate.com/jebena-arts-and-entertainment-2/

          • Kokhob Selam

            Brother,

            It is a famous Awate page..

            KS..

          • Saleh Johar

            Kokobay,
            I heard you have some space in your page. Would you be kind enough to accept one person who needs a relaxing time? He is very safe and doesn’t throw stones, yet. Maybe you can help.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear SGL,

            Why not? Sir,I need your kind permission.

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Kibromay,

            Good argument deserve good counter argument. Therefore, I will get back to you after work in the evening. You made your point without attacking a personality with adjectives that is common in this forum. For that you have my respect, and the adults surely will recognize it. 👍.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,

            I think you got this one wrong. I think those all Ethiopian ethnic groups at Meles’s funeral would disagree with you. They cried their heart out for Meles. The is double/multiple minded human, the is the creature of the double digit success in Ethiopia. On Eritrea’s issue, he was hated by most Ethiopians for softer stand against the nation. I will never forget what the Ethiopian parliament was telling him. They asked him to finish the DIA regime and fight all the way to get to Asmara. That time, Issayas agreed to have the buffer zone 25 km inside Eritrea. Moreover, Issayas and his click were seen packing and getting ready to run with their tail tackled between their skinny legs:) I was against it that time, but I wish they weyanes had entered asmara to rid of these cruel creatures back then.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Weyane have tried to reach Asmara on many fronts and go on to hold asseb yet failed not because of Issaias but I can see your were not in the action and that can distract you from looking at the game in a better view. Meles was not liked by Ethiopians except by few people like eyob and others like him. In 2005 he ordered the killing of hundreds of people and introduced the Terrorist law that was to stifle the opposition. In his berial ours , you are funny and you can be shocked if 1000,000 Eritreans lined at the berial of our dictator. These who cried at the Meles death were like Mr.Amanuel and some Ethiopians who took the money of 80,000 Eritreans deportees from Ethiopia, they cried because they were expecting him to take them to Asseb to fish .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            All I can say is you are insane.

          • Nitricc

            Thomas your stupidity aside you sound typical Tigryan as you are one. Dude, at learn the facts before you go out what your wife tells you at home. I know you are stupid and you won’t get it but your Master Melles asked the General in Badime front if he can advance and the Badime General told your master that it is impossible to continue. then your master asked the same question to the Tsorona front General and the General told your master it is impossible to advance. Again your master asked the General in Bure front if the General can advance and continue the war and the General told Melles that was impossible to go on. After that your Midget has no option but to stop the war. I know you are telling what you are told by your wife when you went to Ethiopia to find a wife because you are too old, too fat, too ugly and most sadly, too stupid to find in here. Stupid.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            How do you know these things? Is that all Yemene monkey told to his all “welad” monkeys? Yes, all the things I said are the facts that we saw at first hand. The weyanes in less than a month entered all the places I have mentioned. Of course, you would not know because you had your diaper on at that time. I am mentioning your diaper not because of your age but because of the problems you have catching up.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            On the risk of exposing myself to educate you and others, i will say few about places . Just make sure to not repeat claims like mountain keren or Bla bla. Before that I am just telling you that the main aim of Meles was to drink tea in Asmara or Asseb . Lies what lies , who is lying , You said weyane were in Aqurdet way up near keren and near dekemhare , you are funny and today i know you do not know Eritrea and i suspect you have no clue about Ethiopia apart from Tigrai too because last time i did warn you that i can drive your from Eritrea to Harare , dase and many Ethiopian places with out going to a single Tigrai region. I can actually be a good guide for any one in this forum about Eritrean places and i can actually tell about the war from May 6-7, 1998 up to december 2000. Just to educate you and some others here is the places and dates in a rough , i can also give you dates and hours account of the war but i do not want you to see .

            On May 12, 2000, Ethiopia launched a major offensive from surrounding Badme, then Zalambessa on the central front. On the other hand Ethiopian forces in the west penetrated into Eritrean territory, seizing several places like Barentu, Bimbina, Bishuka, Mailem, Molki, Shambuko, and Tokombia) , here you lied about Aqurdet and keren thing , do not lie .

            some Ethiopian forces moved east in Eritrea toward Mai Dima and Mendefera, others
            traveled west toward Alighidir, Gogne, Haykota, and Teseney, while still others returned to
            Ethiopia. Ethiopian troops were within striking distance of Adi
            Quala just 17 km from Adi quala Enda gergish Ethiopian forces were like a burned tree ( how do i know this well i saw it on my own eyes. Ethiopian troops that reached Teseney were engaged by Eritrean troops and retreated south back to Ethiopia through Omhajer and Guluj here the death of your aglay were just beyond the hayna of that place , back to Setit River.After being killed from behind by weyane back stabbing being these forces returned to Eritrea and recaptured Alighidir, Guluj, and Teseney that was the end they can load their donkeys .Ethiopia turned its attention to the central front, launching major offensive on May 23 during which it recaptured Zalambessa and captured the Eritrean border town of Tserona and the high postion in senafe area, you see how far is dekemhare ? you lied here too. On the other fronts like protecting and reaching Asseb thing , i can say more when you claim and made lies about massawa.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            You are sounding like EriTV propaganda. If all your are saying is true, why did set the buffer zone 25 km deep inside Eritrea. Listen because you mention places and put lies or make things up on whatever no basis you will No one. This are things that every Eritrean witnessed first hand. You cannot fool anyone with your out right lies. Listen, don’t try be more of an Eritrean than the rest of us because you are siding with the mafias regime. Of course, you might think Eritrea is yours because the mafias have guns and upper hand now. Your time will not last long,but may sure you jump like monkeys do for the time being.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Bring any one you trust or any reference and challenge me about the places and dates i mentioned over .You see when you mentioned places i gave it to you to learn or at least take back your lies yet you are like Meles conny guy who lived on lies by killing . Now take me to awate forum court and challenge me by bringing your references dates and places . I did not see these from Eri TV and bring any one to help you so i can go and look my diary.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Thomas,
            Thank you for the feedback. I think we are not in the same page, I am talking about MZ’s role with in the context of his role as opposed to peoples expectation in the new post Mengistu Ethiopia. For more information, you can read our discussion with Amanuel, who is leading the discussion in a civilised manner.

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,
            You are entitled to your own opinion for which people are asking evidence. I fall in the same category. You seem very unique on your stand about MZ. I say good lack with your civilized weirdo views or whatever you want to call it.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Tommy

            I really thank you for your feedback. I would like to raise some points that I believe should be addressed.

            1) Penetrating 25 KM doesn’t make a leader visionary. It was a senseless war that killed 200,000 innocent people only to sit around the table and demarcate the border. For me a hero is the one who makes peace not who rushes to make war. Can you please remember that 125,000 people perished from the Ethiopian side only. Will you be able to put 125,000/25km and at least think how many people died per Sqm. for what purpose.

            2) Having difference is a political health. You said ‘You seem very unique on your stand about MZ … your civilized weirdo’ etc. Very unique from who? just because I have difference with you does not make me weirdo.You see Tommy this is exactly why Eritrea is where it is – not having the capacity of listening and respecting difference. How are we different from PFDJ if we insist that we are the only right and anyone who does not agree with us is not right or to use your word weirdo/unique. How is that we are not ready to give every right that we claim for ourselves.
            Was it Newton who said ‘men build too many walls and not enough bridges’, lets build the bridges Tommy we have enough engineers in White AdiHalo and White House who build the walls of hatred.

            ሰሰናዩ ምሳኻ ይኹን

          • MS

            Selam Kbrom
            Very impressive, you have elevated the discussion above heads of most of us, sir, and all that with humility. Thank you.

          • Kbrom

            Selam MS

            Kbret yhabka.

            No No Not me MS, I think it is the discussants love of our country and the passion in the discussion by participants that is leading to the civilised manner. Discussion are impressive when people focus on what are the lessons and not who made the final talking. What I learned from all discussant is the art of disengaging gracefully, and leaving the door open even when we do not agree on many points. Ema, Ismail, Haile, Thomas, blink were great example.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear SIR Kbrom,

            Don’t let me wake up and say everything… I will appreciate you if you don’t go farther,,

            Who started that nonsense war? We should be honest with self and others..This war didn’t start on that specific eras,,that was the extension of the war done in 1978 ELF and TPLF on that Badme land…. I was part of those ugly war era… and TPLF ran from that Badme long to Gonder area .

            I know this will just come back and I was telling my friends about it,, EPLF handed over that land ..I am not sure if that was real but I heard that was an agreement to create Tigray the great…

            The story is more complicated than you thought…Really the day is coming to expose ,,,everything and we will be surprise when everything out will be exposed,,,

            Then, Kbrom let me tell you one thing …one thing about that visionary leader he was not visionary as for me till one day he recognize the opposition of Ethiopia…. that was really one day he came and say :”we should find way to unite those parties” And yes he manage it…

            This open minded leader is suppose to lead Eritrea..Go back and see his story …..

            KS,,

          • Kbrom

            Wake up kokobay

            Have you ever had a chance to listen to Jay Hardway’s wake up song

            Its weird lyrics goes like this

            Wake!
            You’ve go o ot build to shine
            Wake!
            You’ve gotta be a winner
            Wake!

            So dahdahayo ember kokobay and say everything

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear SIR ..Kbrom.

            How can that be? I am here to say everything,,even then nothing was recognized. So sir,be able to listen and know more..( Wake! )

            KS,,

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,

            I am sorry I might have been a little harsh in my response to you. Thank you very much for the respect you have shown my unprovoked attack on you. I think Ismail and Amma have already covered the topic about MZ era, his influence and contribution (in a very detail and clear way to the point). On the points you raised about the damage caused by the badme war, it is sad that it was a nonsense war. I think both leaders of these poor nations have admitted that it was a war which never should have happened to begin with. I would like to pause the following two questions to you though:

            a) Do you accept the decision of border commission as final and binding?
            b) Do also accept the commission decision that says Eritrea ignited/started the war?

            Note that Eritrean army crossed the border and are verified to have been seen deep in Adi-grat. Ethiopia or Meles’s government was forced to take a defense attack for the offense. So, where is Meles at fault then? Never forget the power of self defense claim within the court of law as such Meles’s government was provoked to take action because of the good for nothing PFDJ stupidity.

          • Kbrom

            Hi Tommy

            Please do not be sorry, ናይ ስድራቤትን ኣሕዋትን ምብህሃል ኢዩ።

            back to your questions.

            Do you accept the decision of border commission as final and binding?
            Yes! Not only I accept the decision but I do believe that the UN should take its actions according chapter 7 on the part that refuses to accept the decision.

            b) Do you also accept the border commission’s decision that says Eritrea ignited/started the war?
            Yes. Because both countries has signed to accept the decision of the compensation committee. by the was this part of the decision is not from the border commission.

            Re: You stated that Eritrean army crossed the border and are on record to have been seen deep in Ethiopia’s territory, in Adi-grat. MYTH that is not even near truth.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kibrom,

            The more I read you, the more I like your personalities in the way you engage the forumers. Not that our views are congruent, but you are the person I could enjoy engaging delightfully despite our difference. What I would forsee with you in the future is to deal on the tough Eritrea issues starting with the Questions I have raised in my article. I hope you will be interested.

            Regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Amuni,

            Really, he is discussing in civilized manner.

            KS,,

          • Kbrom

            Selam Ema

            your bone respect and live by sky son; it is an English version of ዓጽምኻ ይኽበር ብሰማይ ንበር ዝወደይ!

            እንዳተዋዘና ምዝታይ ይሕሸና ኤማ!

            I would love to bro. Will read the article thoroughly and come back to you.

            Looking forward to discussing this further.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kibrom,

            I want to thank you and Ismael, AH and other for this interesting discussions. I agree to most of the points you are making but I have a have a question with regards to your last comment.

            You wrote:
            “Yes! Not only I accept the decision but I do believe that the UN should take its actions according chapter 7 on the part that refuses to accept the decision.”

            Do you think the UN have enough grounds to take actions using chapter 7. Correct me if I am wrong but the assumption that’s mostly used when referred Chapter 7 is article 39, but for some reason article 41 and 42 are left out. I will just paste them for convenience (see below).

            Do you think it’s realistic to assume the SC will take punitive measures to the condition on the ground?

            Berhe


            Article 39
            The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

            Article 41
            The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.

            Article 42
            Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Berhe,

            The Short answer is NO! The UNSC will not take punitive measures for logical/illogical/ legal/illegal reasons.

            እነሆ እተን ቁራቦ ምኽንያታተይ!

            The UN charter was written to adapt the reality of the post world war II, hence the outfit/fashion that was tailored when the organisation was 16 years old does not fit the body and purpose of the global organisation at the age of 73. The few conflicts of post world war II are now global, and different in shape and form – by reaching everywhere they have become global or as former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan would call them “problems without passports.”

            The conflicting interest of the powerful few (the P5) makes the UN walk at cross-purposes. This national interest of each country is always embedded into the topical international context. Accordingly the chapter is rarely invoked as the interest of the countries with veto power is as diverse as their number. On the other hand some pacifist member states express their concern on the balance of consequences. These countries believe that invoking chapter 7 on any country will likely result worse outcome.

            In regard to Article 39 ( Not the PIA’s favourite EPRDF one, but the UN one) due to its contents’ controversial nature, to be on the safe side, the UN in its conference of Dumbarton Oaks has left it purposely elastic and subject to interpretation as to what actually add up the terms “threat to the peace, breach of the peace or an act of aggression”.

            As you are aware Berhe hawey, the UN has invoked chapter 7 in two occasions: 1) Resolution 794 Somalia, under the excuse of unprecedented scale of human catastrophe which resulted the ‘humanitarian intervention’ of US, and the dawn of black hawk. 2) Resolution 1236 on East Timor which was so soft in wording that proves the UN’s reluctance to take any action on the bases of chapter 7/Article 39.

            The relation and influence of the belligerent country is also another factor as to whether it would be subject to chapter 7 or not. Russia vetoed twice a draft resolution that was tabled against herself by Big 3 (UK, USA, France) countries.

            Ethiopia is protected by Permanent Five. Although its reneged on its treaty obligation of the Algiers agreement which obliges it to accept the unanimous decision of the Border Commission as Final and Binding and without pre-conditions, the UN did not invoke the mandate and mechanism it signed in the Algiers agreement through the then UNSG Kofi Anann. Even if it had, it would not have major effect as UNSC is authorised to take only “measures not involving military force’ which includes economic and diplomatic sanction.

            imagine if it was Eritrea which reneged the final and binding decision, all UN P3 would have raised their whip to flog the country, whilst the remaining two would be ‘kind enough’ not to beat but observe whilst it is flogged bitterly by the P3.

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,

            Ata Kbrum hawina, wa’e entai konka di’a:) totally wrong when you said “imagine if it was Eritrea which reneged the final and binding decision, all UN P3 would have raised their whip to flog the country” Seriously though, do you really think the UN P (or P3-5) would have acted different/in Ethiopia’s favor if Eritrea was the one who was dragging the border implementation? Typically example to disprove this claim would be the case of Djibouti; and Eritrea refusal to take the issue to the UN as Djibouti would like to have it. I think you are wrong to assume Ethiopia was favored over Eritrea when the UN simply does not think it has a mandate to put pressure on any of this countries. Border problem is everywhere and I can provide many that the UN has chosen to be a neutral entity.

          • Kbrom

            Kemey kemey Tommy

            Yes, they would have acted not because they hate Eritrea but because they hate the man in White Halo. PIA has been producing enemies for the last 26 years; he belittles UN, he disparages the President of France, he lectures US how to run its country, he denigrates the British system, he calls the African leaders baboons, he mocks indian election, he gives finance 101 presentation to wall street corporates, etc.

            Eritrea is being punished for the lunatic behaviours of the president. At one point when he decried that the UN is not shouldering its responsibility, the UN replied that ‘you expelled the UNMEE with all discourteous ways, you were the one who did not fulfil its obligation when it comes to respect the UN mission hence, it is also your responsibility to solve the impasse.

            Look at Syria, because Assad has invested in his friendship with Russia, Putin’s Russia has blocked 10 times a UN Security Council resolution on Syria. Compare that with the 5 times unjust resolutions that has passed against Eritrea.

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,

            I cannot believe to read you oppose the UN sanction against the mafias regime. What do you mean when you say “unjust resolutions that has passed against Eritrea”? Really, it is unjust sanction? I only hear the word unjust from the die hard regime supporters and the mafias regime itself. To hear this from you is uncalled for. Let me tell you why the regime was sanctions and I believe that is the least the UN has taken to discipline the evil actions of the regime. The regime was sanctioned not because of the grave human right violations of his own people but:

            1) On the stand the regime took on the Somalia Issue. We all know after declaring Jihad, where the Islamic court Union group runaways hiding was. You don’t want me to talk on who the courts group were.
            2) On the Djibouti conflict issue, the regime was several times asked to pull out of the disputed area and take the issue to the UN and handle it the legal way set by the international community countries conflict/border resolution procedures.
            3) The African Union and the IGAD countries voted for a sanction against the regime. So, it was never the work of the UN but the grievances of the neighbor countries of Eritrea and all parties affected by the lawless regime we have in our country.

            Again, am I hearing a double talk here? In tigrigna, we call this “esa m’say liba gn mis mahazay” sort of thing??:)

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sir Kbrom,

            What a confusing idea ?

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kibromay,

            Selam Kibromay,

            The issue of Badme is not important to our people at this crucial time, but their survival on life or death situation is. Please see the situation of our people in the link below, they will be still victims of organ harvesting, and we talking on Badme.

            Regards

          • Kbrom

            Selam Emma

            I see and appreciate where you coming from, though I would not call it ‘not crucial and luxury’ as you put it because we are talking about sovereignty that took many lives of Eritrean youth, it is not PFDJ’s issue it is an issue of territorial integrity hence crucial until it is get back. Governments come and go people and the land, sea, sovereign sky remain as the main ingredients of the state.

            On the other hand, yes Eritreans are suffering under the rule of fear, the entire country is under open prison, people are imprisoned because a security agent believes he/she was ‘thinking’ to do such and such, the rule of the country is guilty until proven PFDJ, people are not allowed to use even their own money, its productive work force is fleeing the country, corruption is at its peak, there is no functional institutions, power is in the hand of one man, sadism is the philosophy of the brutal dictator etc…..

            The point is what do we do. Some times we get lost because we mis prioritise our objectives. I see a lot of time people talking about who will lead after the change, what would be the official languages , what would be even the national anthem……etc. This is similar to see a family whose house is burning arguing who will seat in the centre of the sofa, where will they put their TV set after they extinguish the fire; and refusing to work together to extinguish the blazé until they agree on those points.

            The minimum common objective should be to agree and say together lets safe first our house. This kind of phenomenon is reflected in one of our ያታዊ ጽውጽዋያት። ሰብኣይን ሰበይትን እታ ጤል ምስገዛእናያ ኣብ ⶅኽራ ኢና ንኣስራ ኣብ ቅርዓት ኢና ንኣስራ ኢሎም ተሟጊቶምሲ ምስምማዕ ምስሰኣኑ ጤል ከይገዝእዋ ተፋቲሕም።

          • iSem

            Dear Kbrom:
            ሰብኣይን ሰበይትን እታ ጤል ምስገዛእናያ ኣብ ⶅኽራ ኢና ንኣስራ ኣብ ቅርዓት ኢና ንኣስራ ኢሎም ተሟጊቶምሲ ምስምማዕ ምስሰኣኑ ጤል ከይገዝእዋ ተፋቲሕም Tig adage along with its sister “ብዘይ መረት የለን ክብረት” have” have been deftly deployed to mislead the people. PFDJ is not securing territorial integrity, it is shredding it. You may also know that if not for PFDJ/EPLF we would not have Badme dispute because Badme was given to TPLF by EPLF when other Eritreans were against it. They had second chance after independence to clear it. But IA was busy trying to be president of united Ethi and Eri and he said that himself when he talked about confederation.
            I think the question is not which comes first, Eri is not egg or chicken, we can do both and PFDJ is doing none. Bordering countries do always have issues with borders but civilized ones do not bleed forever to make one man’s career and massage his ego. This old notion of territorial integrity balcony must be defeated or we will forever be in this vicious cycle.
            Barring geological changes, the land will be forever there, but contrary to your comment, people can be extinct, if not their culture can be extinct and without that culture anchor, we a terror is useless.
            The demography changes, the opportunity cost, the thousands children languishing in Sudan and Ethiopia camps without education is heavy burden for the nation to trade it for territorial bs that PFDJ has created.

          • Kbrom

            Isem

            ጽቡቕ ሌላ ይግበረልና።

            I see the strong premises of your view. I concur with your well articulated call that ‘we can do both and PFDJ is doing none’. in the interest of saving your valuable time, I would refer you to my reply to the comments made by Emma abi seb.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kibrom,

            We need to prioritize our issues. The land is for the people and not the people for the land. If we can save our people, then we save our land, for the people are those who defend the land. How could you miss this simple logic kibromay.

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            National sovereignty: people+land+state (not government)…Kbrom has not initiated topics of past war, he is simply replying to questions and arguments he is getting and he is doing a good job at staying on topic. BTW: how is it your sense of prioritization depreciates when Meles Zenawi and the Ethiopian government’s policies are mentioned? I see you spending a considerable time defending them and promoting their ideology. I see you doing fine when folks bring the Ethio-Eritrean conflict in a way that puts TPLF favorably and actually join them full throttle.
            Sorry, Emma, I’m the same person you know. I could not be one of the resident diplomats in the forum. I also understand you did not want to answer the questions I posed to you related to your article.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Accusation is not a debate. Instead you debate , you are telling me you are this or that. Look Kibrom, he just deals with the subject on hand only, and as such respectfully. We don’t agree but we respect each other’s view that consequently invites for more engagements. Second, I also realize answering your questions will bring more your are this you are that. So I prefer to retain the relationship we have than to agrivate it on talking personal issues. Third, your questions are hypothetical questions on the “past” rather on the “future”. The past is past, it is gone whether we like it or not. It is history. We can talk as history but we can’t talk hypothetically on it. So sorry, those are the reasons that made me reserved from answering them.

            Regards

          • MS

            Ahlan Emma
            Our personal relation is personal and nothing can change that. But we are here ob public forum debating boletika…secondly, I’m not accusing you of anything. I’m simply reminding you how you act when Meles and TPLF policies are criticized and how much time you spare defending them while you chastise those who criticize Meles and TPLF as wasting time on things of less priority. Accusation is putting a blame on someone for things he did not do but I can pull tons of comments and articles you haqve written in defense of Meles and TPLF policies/ideologies. So, nope, I’m not accusing you.
            My questions were not hypothetical but I understand you are entitled to brush them off.
            Bruk leyti.

          • Kbrom

            Selamn te’enan Emma,

            Fasten your belt emma hawey, may be I will sound too fervent but that is the only way that I can elaborate this part of our discussion. Laissez-nous aller mon cher ami!

            We, as people and state, are not condemned to have one of the two. We deserve to be free people and free land.

            We are entitled to be a sovereign and independent State with secured territorial integrity of its land, waters and airspace, delineated boundaries recognised and respected by all UN member states, including the Ethiopian government. This is not a gift or award of good behaviour that we expect from anyone else – it is our right bequeathed by our martyrs.

            At the same time we as people are entitled to rights, freedoms and dignity to all the economic, social, political, cultural and civic rights that underpin a life free from want and fear; again this is not a gift or a favour that is given to us by PFDJ or any government or group – it is our inalienable entitlements.

            Why do we put them as either or when we know well that the sacrifice of the scores of lives, first for our independence then for our sovereignty was for the causes of our rights as people and independence of our territorial integrity.

            Now to the second part:

            Aware that I am stepping into a Minefield let me put this bitter but true (at least from my assessment) statement.

            One of the reasons that the Eritrean opposition movements do not enjoy the wide support of the Eritrean people is because of two reasons. ( among other many reasons)

            1) They fail to differentiate sovereign issues from PFDJ. Burning flag, barking on martyrs, questioning Awate as the founder of the Eritrean Liberation, etc. I do not recall (if I am mistaken please correct me) a single strong statement that condemns the occupation of Eritrean territory by the Ethiopian government and calls for action (political and diplomatic tasks) against the occupation.

            2) They want to bring change through or at the back of Ethiopia.

            I strongly believe that change should be driven and owned by Eritreans. Any change that is driven and owned by the Ethiopian government, particularly by TPLF would not Bring us in Good Ale as the medieval english song lyrics call for their joy. For that matter, any external intervention is not healthy, to prove that we do not even need to research on history books, all we need is to to operate our remote control and flip through various television channels. we have vivid and live examples not far from our region, Egypt (the second coup) Iraq, Libya, Tunis, etc.

            ብግዳም ብፍላይ ድማ ብኢትዮጲያ ካብኡ ናብኡ ብህወሓት ዝመጽእ ለውጢ ከም ህዝቢ ክበታትነና ከም ሃገር ድማ ሉዓላውነትና ኣብ ሓደጋ ከእቱ እምበር ቀርዐ ክህበና ዘይሕሰብ ኢዩ።

            I am a true believer on the quote ‘’ If an Egg Is Broken by an outside Force, Life Ends. If Broken by an inside Force, Life Begins’.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sekam Kibromay,

            The belt is always fastened since l immersed in the Eritrean politics. Be reassured on that. Damn Eritrean politics, always was and is. So your argument is there is no priority between saving our people and fighting for a small plot of land. For years this argument was argue by our own Saay, Mahmuday and others. Myself and others arguing on the opposite side, holding a position, that saving our people is primary than any thing.

            What I understood after all these years, we have different strong formed opinion on the topic, and I decided not to indulge rehashing the same recycling argument. At this point let history take its own course, as far as we can not collectively shape the destiny of our people. Finally, let me assure you this: our sovereignty is intact. The border issue is everywhere and countries with border issues do not hold hostages to their people because of it, except we Eritreans are using it as instrument of politics to sustain the power of the regime knowingly or unknowingly. Thank you for engaging.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            You wrote “So your argument is, there is no priority between saving our people and fighting for a small plot of land”.

            I don’t think Kibrom said anything related to priority or that the piece of land is of higher priority than saving our people.

            You are right if we have to put a priority saving our people would be first (in my opinion) but asking Ethiopia and the international community to abide by the rules are also is important.

            In order to save our people, it’s important that we gain trust from our people so they can support our initiative of saving our people. As opposition, gaining the trust of our people that we are not serving the interest of Ethiopia as a return of coming to power is important. At the same time, it’s also an important part of the strategy to remove the PFDJ system because he uses Ethiopia refusal as an excuse to hold our people back from demanding the change we need (like ending national service etc).

            Trust us, we will deal with it later, let’s save our people, I am afraid has no produced much support.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Please read the second paragraph of his comment. If that does mean that, then what. But I sensed ambivalence in Kibrom, when I read his Tigrigna poem in response to Hailat. Then it is up to him to make his position clear. Again saving our people is more important than anything. For me it is matter of principle. It is hard for me to watch the predicament of my people being in the situation they are.

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            HI Aman-H: I will let Kbrom handle all my work but sometimes I questioned your wisdom. I wonder what would be your stand if you had to lose a child or two in the Badime war? You got to remember there was life lost, someone mother, someone father, someone brother, someone son and someone’s daughter. Yet, here you are disregarding and disrespecting to those people who paid their life for their country. Like I have always said, till the oppositions show care for the softy and sovereignty of the nation, you have no place in Eritrean political arena. That is how the people wired and think. If I was to oppose the government Eritrea and read your post, I will go back and stick with the government of Eritrea. And finally ሃገር ማለት Meret Eyu, ሃገር Zeybulu Hizbi, Hizibi Aykonen.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitrickay,

            I lost my sibling both in struggle as well as in the senseless border war, if that helps you. And for sure you can not teach me about war and the lives lost in it. Your slogan simply shows that you are nationalist who says let us fight only. There is no scarcity of patriotism in us except wisdom.

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman-H; no need to get defensive. If you have to say there is no need to go to war to get Badime, may be I will agree with you but for the land 20K lives paid and a full scale war waged, for you to say, not important shows you haven’t learn the ugly of war and its consequences. you are right, I have never been in a war but I understand it and I respect the people who went for war and paid their lives, that is the reason I say Badime is very important and a must for Eritrea and Eritreans. on the same token, obviously you have no respect for the people who paid the ultimate to say Badime is not important. Right Aman? Come-on man!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Nitrickay,

            Didn’t you ask me if my family had paid its share? Why do you see it as defensive for the answer I gave to your question?

          • blink

            Dear Nitricc
            The palistenians have their people but not their land is the perfect example of Mr.Amanuel. If it was all about people Why do not go to Sudan and Ethiopia in 1961 and leave the land to Amhara.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear blink,

            Now in our case it is the other way round, What is the use then? land without people is nothing…

            KS,,

          • blink

            Dear KS
            There will be always people in Eritrea, the notion Eritrea will be empty is just an ignorant joke.The myth of numbers that go from 5000- is just nothing about the people who lived in Eritrea. After few years the Israeli will always come to tell us this was that and this , on the opposite side Eritrea will be there .

          • Nitricc

            Hi KS; Israelis never were a country with out the land nor they were people of dignity with out it. They only came as respected people and a nation after they got the land. the moral of the story, just get the land and the people will come to create a country.

          • Desbele

            Dear Aman,

            There is no scarcity of patriotism in us except scarcity of sympathy towards our destitute population.
            What a statement. Thank you!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Kibrom,

            Thank you for well explained reply. I am in agreement to what you said but want to follow up on the last sentence, had Eritrea been the one refused the P3 would have punished it.

            Let’s agree that’s the case. Do you think this was not clear to IA, and the ERITREAN government? Why then IA handed Ethiopia and the UNa perfect opportunity to get out on the mess they got themselves in (re: sponsoring Algeries agreement and sending peace keeping.

            Just a follow up on some of your earlier points Re: PMMZ stand on the war and what his plans were.

            Reading the us cables on the meeting Melles had with the US representative back in 1998, it appears that:

            1) He desired to end the war if Isayas was convinced to withdraw unilaterally.

            2) Eritrea crossed the red line and it needs to reverse to action

            3) that he was not happy the US government condemning Ethiopia for the deportation

            4) He believes that Isayas is IA is not predictable and he wanted the US to stay out (from pressuring Ethiopia) so the of the to fight it out.

            5) he wanted to teach Isayas a lesson so this should never happen again.

            6) that he prefers the US to help with the aftermath of the war with what ever the consequences might be.

            Now the plan may have changed after words but to me at least he did not desire the war and he was not interested in removing the ERITREAN government as an agenda (at least initially).

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,

            Ok, let’s say our military was not seen in Adi-grat, but do you acknowledge our military attacked and were seen deep inside tigray first? If not so, why did Eritrea found to be invaded first? I must tell you, I fell the pain when I see my country being accused for misbehaving. However, whatever is ruled is already done/decided, there is nothing you or I say will change the decision. I am trying to state the truth of the matter because there is no use of hiding anything at this point of time. We must expose the truth or the same mistake will hunt us over and over again. That is all.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kbrom; take easy man. be nice to Thomas as I see trying to be. hahahahah.When I hear people say Melles was visionary, I see why Africa is where she is. So when people like Thomas are kissing up to Melles, they are only exposing their stupidity. A man of vision won’t go to war. a man of vision won’t kill people in a broad day light. a man of vision won’t implement ethnic politics. If Melles was visionary, the current situation in Ethiopia should have answered to that stupid debate but when you are talking with likes of Thomas, it is painful. that dude as stupid as they come.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Kibrom,

            At the risk of worsening the headache of Blink, I will try to give you my perspective on the man and his contribution to the Ethiopian people. Because “leaders are judged by the service to their people…..at present and how they shape the future” of their countries, I will try to account his work and his vision for his country and not for Eritrea (b/c many Eritreans try to define him from the Ethio-Eritrean conflict). Second, whether his party, EPRDF, continues his vision or not, when he is out of the seen is different story that requires different explanation. So my argument will be only on his vision with in the context of the Ethiopian people.

            Before, I continue to my argument, let me say something on the terminologies you have used in your argument to help us to have a common understanding on them and to have a smooth communication on the subject and here are the terms: (a) An ideologue is someone who is dedicated to certain way of thinking whether it is political or philosophical (b) Benevolent dictator is a leader who exercise an absolute political power over the the state, but does it for the benefit of the population as a whole (c) Vision is the capacity to envisage the future prospect and the goals set to pursue them. Now if we agree on the definitions, then an ideologue can be a visionary dedicated to his political philosophy. Being an ideologue can not divorce you from being a visionary. The reason why I am saying this is, as if an ideologue can not be a visionary, you have said he wasn’t a visionary but may be he was an ideologue. Correct me if I am wrong. Second, whether MZ was a benevolent dictator or not, if you Kibrom, believe he is a benevolent dictator, whose action will be for the benefit of the whole population as defined, then there are good public services rendered by the leadership of MZ – that I could make logical argument from the languages you have used in your argument.

            Now back to the subject of our argument: Is MZ an Ethiopian visionary leader for the Ethiopian realities? My Answer is yes, and let me give you the answers as to why and how (a) In 1991 when EPRDF landed in Addis Abeba after the defeat of the derg regime, journalist from different part of the world flock to the city to interview the Leaders of EPRDF. “In his first press conference in Addis Ababa, in reply to a question about his goals, Meles declared that he would consider his government a success if Ethiopians were able to eat three meals a day”. His priority was to fight poverty, that all his predecessors have failed to tackle it. His focus was the poor Ethiopian people (b) Dr Eleni Gebremedhin was the first expert who launched commodities exchange for Ethiopia. Before, she launched it, Meles asked her to mail her study paper to read it before they sit in his office to discuss about it. When they met in Addis at his office, the first question he asked her was, how does her study paper will help the poor Ethiopian farmers? Again his focus is on the poor Ethiopian people. Meles’s Government gave her the permission to launch commodities exchange in Addis and other places of Ethiopia. Her Interview about Meles can be listened in u-tube if needed (c) Former Ethiopian leaders had a belief that Ethiopia can’t survive without Eritrea and Eritrean ports. Meles and his colleagues changed this psychological mentalities and justified that Ethiopia could survive and make significant economic development without Eritrea and Eritrean ports. To do that, they constructed to lines of railways, one from Djbouti to Addis and the other from Dijbouti to Mekele. They have showed an alternatives to the Ethiopian people and changed the Psychology of Eritrea or death (d) His economic philosophy vision – “democratic developmental state” drawn from South Korea and Taiwan, the principle of economic growth through strong state, had shown tremendous 10% economic growth every year since they have implemented it (e) His vision on Environment and development please read the link below how he gets millions of dollars per annum from developed to undeveloped African countries (f) In order Ethiopian to get its own share of water resource from the nile river he launched building big dams on the Nile river, a bold step that no Ethiopian leader could do it in the past (g) The rest development under his vision can be accounted respectively. If this wasn’t a vision, then what it is?

            (a) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/meles-zenawi-and-ethiopias-grand-experiment.html

            (b) http://www.theafricareport.com/East-Horn-Africa/meles-zenawi-an-extraordinary-legacy-on-environment-and-development.html

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡር ብጻይ :

            “But condemnation by human rights organizations didn’t worry Meles. He was confident that his record of economic growth and efficient use of aid meant that any European sanctions would be short-lived. He also knew that the United States needed Ethiopia’s cooperation against terrorism. His calculations were right: After a brief hiatus, aid and diplomatic support resumed.”

            “,,,,He was extraordinary and is irreplaceable. But what can and should, and I believe will, continue is his remarkable and practical vision of how to combine development on the one hand and environment and climate responsibility on the other.”

            KS,,

          • Saleh Johar

            Amanuel,
            Sorry dear, chaw-chaw bezinhuna. I couldn’t enjoy your article peacefully because if the noise. But from what I glanced, you have served us a good meal. But there is an apprehension. Why are you not insulting the TPLF? You have to do that even for no reason to prove you are a loyal PFDJista. Otherwise, you will see crosses all over your paper and fail the test.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saleh,

            Unfortunately, the diversionist always pulling us to speak about TPLF in order to lose focus on our own people. To some extent they are successful, because we are doing to defend our integrity and principles to respond to their blackmailing. These individuals are more concerned about Ethiopian than their own people.

          • Kbrom

            Kbur Ustaz Ema,
            I respect your point but from my perspective I don’t see it that way, hence I respectfully disagree. Here is why and how.

            First let me thank you for drawing the line in the sand so that we would not make the discussion
            murky by mixing it with the Ethio-Eritrean conflict/post MZ EPRDF; that was a great lesson for me.

            Terminology
            I agree on the terminologies except that what you described ‘the Benevolent dictator is …..but does it for the benefit of the population as a whole’ because for PM Meles’s it was for a small interest group, not even the Tigray people, because Tigray did not get much benefit when you see it in the bigger Ethiopian political landscape.

            Your argument
            My understanding of your main points is as follows. MZ was an Ethiopian visionary leader and the proof is 1) his first press conference 2) Dr Eleni Gebremedhin’s experience 3) Meles and Co. changed the psychology of Ethiopia can’t survive without Eritrea and Eritrean ports 4) His economic philosophy and 10% growth and 5) His vision on Environment

            Attempted proof not so strong
            I am sure during our discussion I will learn a great deal from you, but the above three points does not sound to me strong testaments of leadership success. 1) Leaders first speech is so sweet, Uganda’s Idi Amin Baba for example stated in January 25, 1971 that he was a soldier, not a politician, and that the military government would remain only as a caretaker regime until new elections – what followed need not be recounted again. 2) Dr Eleni’s experience is personal, which is difficult to take it as a reason for declaring Meles as a visionary, that could happen anywhere, for e.g in Eritrea you have one ወዲ ዓይኒ መዓር investor by the name of Primo, who was bestowed the Dahlak Hotel virtually for free and keeps saying PIA is ‘visionary’. 3) Meles mobilized the support of Amhara (1998-200) by promising them that they will get back the port of Assab. 4) 10% growth does not reflect the state of the people, because GDP does not necessarily give true degree of economic growth, the only reliable indicator that reflects the social and natural capital is the Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) and 5) to the contrary many African countries accuse Meles for agreeing on behalf of Africa to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the poor countries in climate change negotiations in COP15 Copenhagen in 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference.

            Now to my two cents points.

            Ema, the logic of my argument is based on the fact that PM Meles was not able to build a new Ethiopia with an all inclusive citizenship. As a result, Ethiopia did not have a stable government, the economy is not developing stronger, does not own high social equality and the poverty rate is yet high. As you rightly stated in your response, Meles should not be accountable for what has happened after him, but if we see the World Bank Report during his tenure (2011) Ethiopia’s Poverty headcount ratio at $2 a day (PPP) (% of population) was 71.27 % ranked 174th out of 187 countries in the UNDP’s 2011 Human Development Report.

            Root of the matter?
            I believe the root cause of Ethiopia’s current threat towards disintegration is the EPRDF’s decision that opted to use ethnicity as a basis for political structure and parties, hence pervading linguistic and cultural differences to control the people.

            The EPRDF for reasons that they only know framed they departure to rule the country on the following statement that is stipulated in EPRDF’s 1993 Manifesto.

            The interests of the majority of the population would be fulfilled only through our revolutionary democratic lines. So the objective condition requires the establishment and continuity of our hegemony”. The way that the EPRDF seeks to establish this hegemony is by institutionalizing ethnic divisions: “The mission of these nationally-based organizations is, on the one hand, to disseminate in various languages the same revolutionary democratic substance, to translate this substance into practice by adapting it to local conditions (history culture, character, etc.)
            http://www.enufforethiopia.net/pdf/Revolutionary_Democracy_EthRev_96.pdf

            As a consequence of such a divisive policy big number of Ethiopian population – including the nation’s largest ethnic group Oromo – which is estimated at over 25 million people within Ethiopia and Amhara estimated at 17.2 million have been immediately marginalized, hence lost sense of belonging to the society. EPRDF failed to articulate policies, Acts and laws that assure non-segregated admission to citizens in all political and socio economic life, irrespective of their caste, color, creed, gender, religious association and socio-economic position. Power and resources distribution was not fair.

            Ema, just to conclude with your statement you said ‘but does it for the benefit of the population as a whole’. Which population as a whole if 25+17 =42 million people are marginalized, and what benefit if power and resources is not distributed evenly?

            Would love to learn more from your constructive feedback.

          • Kbrom

            Kbur Ustaz Ema,
            I respect your point but from my perspective I don’t see it that way, hence I respectfully disagree. Here is why and how.

            First let me thank you for drawing the line in the sand so that we would not make the discussion
            murky by mixing it with the Ethio-Eritrean conflict/post MZ EPRDF; that was a great lesson for me.

            Terminology
            I agree on the terminologies except that what you described ‘the Benevolent dictator is …..but does it for the benefit of the population as a whole’ because for PM Meles’s it was for a small interest group, not even the Tigray people, because Tigray did not get much benefit when you see it in the bigger Ethiopian political landscape.

            Your argument
            My understanding of your main points is as follows. MZ was an Ethiopian visionary leader and the proof is 1) his first press conference 2) Dr Eleni Gebremedhin’s experience 3) Meles and Co. changed the psychology of Ethiopia can’t survive without Eritrea and Eritrean ports 4) His economic philosophy and 10% growth and 5) His vision on Environment

            Attempted proof not so strong
            I am sure during our discussion I will learn a great deal from you, but the above three points does not sound to me strong testaments of leadership success. 1) Leaders first speech is so sweet, Uganda’s Idi Amin Baba for example stated in January 25, 1971 that he was a soldier, not a politician, and that the military government would remain only as a caretaker regime until new elections – what followed need not be recounted again. 2) Dr Eleni’s experience is personal, which is difficult to take it as a reason for declaring Meles as a visionary, that could happen anywhere, for e.g in Eritrea you have one ወዲ ዓይኒ መዓር investor by the name of Primo, who was bestowed the Dahlak Hotel virtually for free and keeps saying PIA is ‘visionary’. 3) Meles mobilized the support of Amhara (1998-200) by promising them that they will get back the port of Assab. 4) 10% growth does not reflect the state of the people, because GDP does not necessarily give true degree of economic growth, the only reliable indicator that reflects the social and natural capital is the Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) and 5) to the contrary many African countries accuse Meles for agreeing on behalf of Africa to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the poor countries in climate change negotiations in COP15 Copenhagen in 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference.

            Now to my two cents points.

            Ema, the logic of my argument is based on the fact that PM Meles was not able to build a new Ethiopia with an all inclusive citizenship. As a result, Ethiopia did not have a stable government, the economy is not developing stronger, does not own high social equality and the poverty rate is yet high. As you rightly stated in your response, Meles should not be accountable for what has happened after him, but if we see the World Bank Report during his tenure (2011) Ethiopia’s Poverty headcount ratio at $2 a day (PPP) (% of population) was 71.27 % ranked 174th out of 187 countries in the UNDP’s 2011 Human Development Report.

            Root of the matter?
            I believe the root cause of Ethiopia’s current threat towards disintegration is the EPRDF’s decision that opted to use ethnicity as a basis for political structure and parties, hence pervading linguistic and cultural differences to control the people.

            The EPRDF for reasons that they only know framed they departure to rule the country on the following statement that is stipulated in EPRDF’s 1993 Manifesto.

            The interests of the majority of the population would be fulfilled only through our revolutionary democratic lines. So the objective condition requires the establishment and continuity of our hegemony”. The way that the EPRDF seeks to establish this hegemony is by institutionalizing ethnic divisions: “The mission of these nationally-based organizations is, on the one hand, to disseminate in various languages the same revolutionary democratic substance, to translate this substance into practice by adapting it to local conditions (history culture, character, etc.)
            http://www.enufforethiopia….

            As a consequence of such a divisive policy big number of Ethiopian population – including the nation’s largest ethnic group Oromo – which is estimated at over 25 million people within Ethiopia and Amhara estimated at 17.2 million have been immediately marginalized, hence lost sense of belonging to the society. EPRDF failed to articulate policies, Acts and laws that assure non-segregated admission to citizens in all political and socio economic life, irrespective of their caste, color, creed, gender, religious association and socio-economic position. Power and resources distribution was not fair.

            Ema, just to conclude with your statement you said ‘but does it for the benefit of the population as a whole’. Which population as a whole if 25+17 =42 million people are marginalized, and what benefit if power and resources is not distributed evenly?

            Would love to learn more from your constructive feedback.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Good morning Kibrom,

            Thank you for your long reply, as my friend Mahmuday use to call it a long Hateta. The reason why we have different views on the “practical vision” as oppose to “ideal vision”, it is simply because we have espoused our views on different philosophical ideology. No qualms to own different ideological philosophy. So our difference is crystal clear to our readers and it is a healthy difference as far as our debated is rooted on decency and respect.

            Before I close my case, I would like to make clear one thing about Ethiopia and its current system of governmental structure and the design of their administrative units. This is my understanding and belief: In a country of multicultural society with deep mistrust among their social groups for almost a century, if the current administrative structure can not hold Ethiopia united, nothing could hold them together to live in peace and tranquility and reduce the current deep mistrusts. I don’t see a problem on the structure except on their political policy. They have to open a political space for the opposition and public demonstrations to air grievances without looting businesses and vandalizing productive forces, as we witnessed last year. This is the opinion of an outsider who use to live inside their communities and took an acute observation to their socio-cultural problems. In short my insight to the sensitive socio-cultural details. Thank you for sharing your views. We will continue our discussion on our own issue, and keep up please.

            Regards

          • Kbrom

            Dear Ema,

            Since you decide to close the case, let me shed some light on the points that I think we agree on.

            As you said MZ was shrewd, well read, and willing to engage in discussions. I had the opportunity to meet Dr Eleni, in one conference and to understand her experience with MZ first hand, it was amazing as she described it. I am not sure if you are aware of it, but PMMZ was inviting intellectuals (not necessarily politicians) from Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Kenya, Djibouti, for three days every year to discuss the issue of Horn of Africa. In those three days he was mostly listening and encouraging the invitees to share their ideas and criticise his governance.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kibromay,

            Sure you will see him in a video sitting in the center of the conference listening the experts debating on the politics of the horn as well on their domestic issues. Check in u-tube.

            But let me add one more as to how he consider himself and his colleague as learners to substantiate your point. Once upon a time he was interviewed by one of our own, Amanuel Iyassu of Assena. Amanuel asked him as to what the difference between EPFDJ and EPRDF is. This is what he told him and to paraphrase his answer: EPRDF are leading while they are learning but PFDJ wants only to lead. Very true.

            Also as part of his policy when the EPRDF enter the city from the bushes, he told his colleagues to continue their education, otherwise they will be outdated to govern the country. That is why you see many from the ranks and files as well as from the top echelons of their army are with MS and PHDs.

            Second, when the council of the opposition asked him to enroll more Eritreans in to the Ethiopian universities from the Eritrea refugees, he told them that his government will do it not because they are requesting for, but they will do it because educated class of society can only resolve conflicts of their society. The man values education from his heart.

            So, for sure Ethiopia will miss him and wouldn’t in the current situation in his presence even if he isn’t in the premiership chair. He would have given them his intellectual wisdom from outside the government. This is my personal view,

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kbrom and Aman,

            I had missed following your interesting debate on Meles Zanwi’s status as leader. After just been alerted by the comment of saay7, I am just enjoying reading these serious exchanges. I do not want to interject with my own take at this moment and would like you continue (if both of you wish and spare time of course) the discussion for the benefit of those of us who want to learn.Going through the interesting exchanges, however, I came to a piece of information that I did not know, and that is:

            “3) Meles mobilized the support of Amhara (1998-200) by promising them that they will get back the port of Assab.” Hence, my respectful request to Kbrom about whether he would like to throw some light on the issue and give me a clue to look for it on my own because this cannot be passed as minor issue when considered in the context of Meles’ and EPRFD’s known policies on Eritrea and its people’s exercising of deciding their destiny and future in an internationally endorsed and supervised process in 1993.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Ismail,

            It is an honor to discuss such issues with you. I have had good fortune of reading your article
            for many years, I always enjoy them. You have a gift for discussing important topics in truthful yet amusing ways

            Back to the topic, indeed, EPRDF and specially PMMZ had played a significant role in welcoming/accepting/not rejecting (yes they could have done that) the Eritrean referendum. The reason that we should appreciate his role as significant one is that the process of having referendum was not as easy as people would think. Egypt (የዛሬው መተቃቀፍ ኣያርገው እና) through the then UNSG Boutros Boutros-Ghali፥ thus UN was strongly opposing the referendum hence, the Eritrean independence. Some forces in the EPRDF were asking that the referendum should include all Ethiopians as ‘the referendum would determine the Ethiopian people fate’.

            Fast forward to 1998 – 2000. Things changed. As diplomats would like to say ‘in politics integrity is not a static’. In one of the seminars that I participated in Washington DC, I remember the then Eritrean foreign minister Haile W. (رابانا يافوكو أسرو) saying we held referendum because not only we wanted to guarantee our independence in case an insane government is elected in Ethiopia, but also because we thought that the then clear headed government might shift into insanity.

            ረፈረንዱም ዘካየድና እኮ ኣብ ኢትዮጲያ ሓደ ጽሉል መንግስቲ ከይመጽእ ኢልና ጥራይ ዘይኮናስ፡ እዚ ዘሎ ጥዑይ መንግስቲ እውን ምናልባት እንተተጸለለኸ ኢልና ውሕስነት ንምግባር ኢዩ።

            That is exactly what happened. The EPRDF’s sanity towards Eritrea did not remain as it was. This is not necessarily to say that the rapid paradigm shift was to reverse the independence, it was at least to change regime in Eritrea and plant its own puppet government. PMMZ had a lot of pressure from the hawkish wing. Some even say that he was against the deportation of the Eritreans but did not have the power and might to stop it. (remember that the EPRDF modes operandi is the vote of the majority).

            In the time of 1998 – 2000, the TPLF set a war task force which almost made PMMZ a lion without a nail and teeth. He was convinced/pressured/twisted by the hardliners and accepted the strategy of capturing Assab and building a competing negotiation style before the end of June so that Assab would be a strong bargaining chip to take a breather and change the scenery in the Algers’ negotiation of cessation of hostility, signed on 18th June 2000 – والباقي هو التاريخ، كما يقولون

            Now that my respected colleague Ema and I have thrown some light we would like other Awatistas to share their ideas so that we can learn from your deep analysis.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kbrom,

            I really appreciate you for spending time to revisit the run up sequence of events to the referendum and the diplomatic/political jockeying that came to pass. This is refreshing after nearly two decades, which also witnessed a lot impactful events. I remember those critical times, which many of us watched with combination of anxieties and hopes with awareness that politics and diplomacy do respond to imperatives of time and space that impose exigencies and expediencies such the sort you have referred by way of quoting Haile Derue (hope he shall come out alive from his current ordeal).

            Incidentally, I did not yet get hold of Boutros Qali’s book. It could be useful for Eritreans to read. But incidentally, moreover, I should add that I recall been part of a team of an organization (with direct stake in the referendum and future of Eritrea) that was tasked to monitor developments from Bonn, Germany. This is to say that there were efforts to get as much access as was possible to diplomatic quarters who were involved in the process due to EPLF’s exclusionist policy of the time. With help of experts in international law, attempts were made to directly communicate with the UN Secretary General through series of memorandums. Close reading of correspondences did not conceal insinuations regarding his personal concerns and sentiments as Coptic Christian about how separation of Eritrea from Ethiopia would impact the fate of the long standing relationship between the ancient Monophysite churches in Egypt and Ethiopia. Nevertheless, his accomplished diplomatic credentials had served him well to avoid the one overlapping the other and hinder him from discharging his obligation to duly implement the endorsed will of the Eritrean people to legitimize de facto control of their destiny they had established by war.

            To jump back to the 1998-2000 border conflict and its ramifications on Ethiopia’s political and military circumstances of the time, it was clear that the EPRDF government under Meles Zenawi had been jolted because the surprise attack and significant territorial encroachment was not anticipated from their earlier close allies in Asmara, despite financial and trade related skirmishes that preceded it. The initial jittery of the government coupled with military unpreparedness (the defense budget was significantly slashed at the time) appeared to open opportunities for opponents of the Meles Zenawi (in the TPLF arena) and the EPRDF on the federal national level. They saw political and public relation space for tactical maneuvers.

            They, therefore, tried to play their cards in the framework of implementation of the budgetary policies which mobilization of the population and overhauling of the military required. The two years after 1998 saw line up of three forces. The EPRDF government had to carry the burden of preparing for war and repulsing Eritrean forces and insulating itself against challenges and demands of Ethiopian opposition forces while keeping at bay forces that did not accept Eritrea’s independence, and demanding wider war that conquered back at least the Port of Assab. The TPLF internal dissidents wanted to use the war efforts to improve their situation for reason of power struggle against Meles Zenawi and his allies. In the aftermath of 2000 (The Algiers secession of hostilities) the fate of the latter ended up by detentions and purges elements like Siye Abraha and Gebru Asrat out of the TPLF house. Later these groups tried to calibrate their politics by creating camaraderie with anti-Eritrean independence forces and joined the campaign that accused Meles Zenawi and his government to intentionally stopping the Ethiopian army short of ending Isaya’s regime and occupying Assab.

            But the EPRDF had shown that it had no intention of going as far as its political adversaries wanted it to go. Meles Zenawi and his government were committed to Eritrea’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. Considering the situation at they were before 1998 as well as after 2000, thus, I have not seen or heard anything that could have signaled a kind of qui pro quo between Meles Zenawi’s government and the opposition (whose mainstream hailed from the Amhara political elites) on premise of mobilization and participation in the war effort in return to change of policy against the territorial integrity of Eritrea.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Ismail,

            1) Let me first clarify one myth that is repeated time and again. Oppo groups ‘accused Meles Zenawi and his government to intentionally stopping the Ethiopian army short of ending Isaya’s regime and occupying Assab. The Siye group was accusing Meles for being soft with the policies and strategies MZ implemented before the war started in regard to Eritrea and particularly PFDJ. The policies include but are not limited to trade, currency, coffee export synergised foreign activities, the arrangement of ports and transit etc. They know that after the war has started Meles was not different from them, hence there was ‘no action from Meles to intentionally stopping the Ethiopian army short of ending PIA’s regime’. The planning of Ethiopian military strategy for the 1st 2nd and third rounds of the war was meant to march to Asmara and change the regime. There was no Sieye group and Meles group in that sense. Capture Asmara, change the regime and be the hegemony power of HOA.

            2) Sir, I agree with your statement ‘ Meles Zenawi and his government were committed to Eritrea’s territorial integrity and sovereignty except that I have to add to your sentence only in the official statements and with the intention to have a government that they install. Let’s remember in Ethiopia’s 2008 national security strategy regime change was officially declared as option one, recently (Nov 2017) that policy has been officially changed in the new NS strategy because ‘ Eritrea is no more a threat to Ethiopia’

            Dear Ismail, in regard to your comments: ‘ Meles Zenawi and his government …….considering the situation at they were before 1998 as well as after 2000, thus, I have not seen or heard anything that could have signaled a kind of qui pro quo between Meles Zenawi’s government and the opposition’ this is what I have to say:

            3) It is difficult to talk on the bases of scenarios, but if you would allow me to have that liberty and share my intake, had Assab was captured by the Ethiopian army in June 1) the articles and legal conditions in the Algers agreement would have looked like very different 2) Ethiopia’s occupation would have been extended over Badme and Asssab 3) Meles Zenawi and his government would say officially ‘they ere committed to Eritrea’s territorial integrity and sovereignty’ as they are saying now whilst still occupying Badme. Remember when the Ethiopian forces invaded Somalia in 2006 the statement from the Parliament started with the phrase that Ethiopia is committed to Somalia’s territorial integrity. Most countries do so when they invade except the mighty Putin when he invaded Ukraine.

            4) In regard to the last part of your comments, I too have never heard PMMZ officially stating that Eritrean independence should be reversed፥ that is why I said in my previous comments ‘this is not necessarily to say that the rapid paradigm shift was to reverse the independence. Ironically those who intend to do that are embraced now by PFDJ. Look at Dr Yacobs interview and Gnbot 7’s flag, which still calls for የባህር ድንበሯን የተከበረች ኣንዲት ኢትዮጲያ’.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Kbrom,

            Again, I should reiterate my appreciation for engaging in such expanded manner. As you might have understood me, it was note-worthy piece of information that stimulated my interest whose implication I thought could have been broader than the face-value contention it reflected. Besides, you might agree with me that shift of policies pertaining to controversial matters related to claimed or presumed sovereign rights of nations that lack consensus can survive governments that make them. In diplomacy and policy making processes notions related to precedents could be used as justifying pretexts for later actions.

            This is the point Haile Derue was hinting in his statement you had quoted the other day. At this point, I can understand your analysis-based explanation about exigencies that gains of warfare could have caused. Case in point here is fall of the port of Assab and ramifications it could have generated to influence talks at Algiers.

            Moreover, I agree with you that much of what we say and write on the events before and after the devastating border war are heavily impacted by scenarios built on premises based on retrospective analyses and assumptions overwhelmed by propaganda campaigns the warring sides engage in. Facts remain hidden inside the tight closed boxes of governments. Protagonists in the war rely on public relations purposefully crafted to confuse respective public opinions in efforts to shun accountability for loses and policy blunders.

            The Eritrean side had invested much time and resources to minimize damage of its loses. For instance, the heroic defense of Assab and resistance to keep the Ethiopian forces at bay until cessation of military operations was put in place was persistenly underscored and raised to the level of playing decisive role in the whole outcome of the war. But, setting aside for a moment my patriotic pride, and considering the military situation and trend of operations on all fronts, I would argue that one who had modicum ideas about war and military balances would not fail to observe that, had the strategic mission of the EPRDF government at the time had been getting rid of the regime in Asmara, nothing could have stopped them. I think regime and the man at its helm knew the situation more than any of us poor citizens. At time, they started to pray for any diplomatic way out which up to that time they had ignored with arrogance and contempt

            Thus, the quick and sincere intervention of Algeria’s diplomatic efforts under President Boutefliqa was a move that the regime accepted as blessing in disguise that saved the day. That was why Haile Derue and his subordinates were prompt in responding to the offer of mediation and tried hard to persuade the strongman who had been stumbling block throughout the two years in considering diplomatic alternatives. I do not think Isayas Afewerki could have accepted had he not seen the real danger that was hovering above his head. He understood the cost the way the war ended had entailed. From that point on, he plotted his way out by futilely attempting to change defeat to victory and distributing his own leadership failures to his subordinates among whom the poor Haile Derue, who had done his best to save what could be saved, to become a victim.

          • Kbrom

            You better it! you better it! Ismail brother; it is the English version for ትሕሾ ትሕሾ እስማዒል ሓወይ!

            Thank you for your thought-provoking insights, it is like taking a lesson without necessarily going to school. I agree with most of your points.

            However with all due respect sir, I beg to differ in one point. I strongly believe that the strategic mission of Ethiopian government was ‘to march up to Asmara and get rid of the regime in the capital city’. This was proven from the POW who were clearly instructed the military and intelligence dos and do nots once they reach Asmara. If one can convince us surely that that was not the intention of the government then it can only be concluded that the military strategy of the Ethiopian Defence Forces was different from the intention of the central government.

            You clearly outlined what happened in Assab in the front line of 71KM as they call i. What was equally decisive in the third round of the Ethio-Eritrea war was a place called Adibegio. As sad as it is in the country that eats the heroes who fought and fall for it, the units that were led by Col. Salih Osman and Gen. Haile China (the former incarcerated the latter humiliated and frozen) were the units that changed the fate of the final war, which ended by preventing Ethiopian forces from entering Asmara through Mendefera (55km)

            So one thing that can be said firmly is that the ultimate goal in the three rounds and more so in the first round was to reach Asmara and change the regime. You can put this words in Capital Letter. Ethiopia had its own would be structure and stuff of its assumed new ‘Eritrean government’ that was planned to be installed in Asmara.

            Now to the facts of the other side of the fence.
            Was there a ‘real danger that was hovering above PIA’? Yes! Was the Eritrean side in its lowest point and things could have been changed in *three days? Yes! Was Assab secure and defended in June? No! to the contrary the EDF was ordered to abandon Assab so the forces in that front could be deployed in the southern front to defend the cliffs of (Adi Quala) which is only about 60 KM away from Asmara. Was it possible for the Ethiopian forces enter Assab if it was not for the Algiers cessation of hostility? Yes. In fact due to abnormal intelligence failure from the Ethiopian side, the Ethiopian forces did not note that Assab was abandoned.

            * The then foreign minister Seyum Mesfin is said to not show up in the first day of the Algiers meeting stating that he got ‘a sudden cold’ and the meeting should be postponed for three days. It is believed that H.E did so in order to see the results of the military development in the eastern front.

            Sorry if there are any typos or in-cohesion, I can hardly open my eyes almost wegihu.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Kbrom,

            I understand the premises you are departing from to formulate your views that I highly respect. Here again, I should repeat the plight we had throughout that ruinous war as patriotic citizens genuinely concerned about the fate of our nation. Lack of access to minimum and permissible access to information to which the families of the youth who were falling in thousands on the battle grounds and in heinous trenches was devastating source of anxieties thanks to the secretive and lawless regime.

            So, those who speak and write on those crucial times and politics have no option but rely on after the fact scenario like what you and I are doing through these exchanges. The picture will remain so until time changes and scholar find access to facts and set the record straight for generation to come about the true intention the Ethiopian government had set. There is no way for us to unequivocally state what the strategic goal was apart from depending on what we already know and at what point the dangerous penetration into our territories had stopped. I must add, moreover, a point. What the foot soldiers (POWs) were told by their commanding officers could have been at variance with endgame scenarios political decision-maker had set for the war.

          • Kbrom

            Selam Ustaz Ismail,

            I agree, the only way that we will know the facts is when the dictator departs to his historical destination – the place of all dictators.

            if we were a constitutional country and have had an accountable government, we would have a parliamentary report and inquiry that reports to the citizen. People should have been involved in the process when the tension started ; but in a country where war and peace is declared/decided/controlled/hidden by one person it is difficult to know and have the details.

            See the UK Chilcot Inquiry also known as the Iraq War Inquiry that was set up by UK parliament to examine the UK’s involvement in the Iraq war.

            By its remit the panel was able to examine the way decisions were made both before and during the US-led invasion, what actions were taken, and identify lessons that can be learned.

            The panel reviewed 150,000 documents, and produced a detailed report of that comes in at 2.6 million words.

            One of its leading conclusion was that there was “no imminent threat from Saddam Hussein” in March 2003 and military action was “not a last resort” The legality of the war can only be decided by an international court.

            That is what we need however, Me’aa Min Ta’gra’e Yassin!

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Kbrom,

            I do not want to round up these civil exchanges with you without expressing genuine gratitude. Thank you so much; I enjoyed the sober interaction and friendly discussion of matters that we disagreed on. This is a healthy culture of civil debate. I am sure we, as good Eritreans, shall have a lot to talk about in future as long as our national predicament continues.

            Moreover, I applaud you for citing the UK Chilcot Inquiry Commission on the Tony Blair’s destructive role. It’s an experience from which we can learn lessons about how governments mislead people. You reminded me of watching live on TV when Tony Blair with extraordinary audacity telling the House of Commons that Saddam Hussein could deploy weapons of mass destruction in just mere 20 minutes, while he knew very well what the truth was. Tony considered his relationship with George W. Bush and the US neo-cons more important than the reputation and expressed will of his people (70% of the people opposed the war).

            In elaborate league of conspiracy that could not remain hidden those politicians had caused over a million deaths of innocent citizen, may be several times more injuries and unfathomable material destruction in Iraq. We Eritreans, too, do not yet know (would never know as long as Isayas rules) what the true cost of the unnecessary border war was. The only thing we know is 19,000 killed when Isayas thought he should be generous at least once in life. But knowing number of the wounded, the missing in action and material cost is exclusive right of Isayas and his generals.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Ismael
            What you mean missing in action? The Eritrean armed forces used to have a very tight control of their military personnel especially at the time of war in 1998 up to 2000 , how many do you think reported missing in action? People who delayed their arrival time to their Spesfic line was even hunted from their villages and hats . Every single person was counted and checked before going to any where or arriving from any where. I don’t see missing in action is one of the failures of EDF. Infact this is one of the strongest side of EDF and this has been the culture inherited from revolutionary time of EPLF. The HR system of EDF is I think extremely tightly controlled. Bookkeeping of the Eritrean forces is simply one of the best despite zero investment to upgrade to easy doing of it. Any member of the military was traceable from Beleza to a single mesree. I comment on this because I believe they were brilliant on such issue.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,

            In the last few days you debunked the Myth(s), the bad instruments of war to fight the dictatorship at home. At least you tried. You also quoted another myth, talking about Melles, you said “Some even say that he was against the deportation of the Eritreans but did not have the power and might to stop it”, a flagrant attempt to add an aureole of saintity to ‘his majesty’. I ask you if you can comment and expand on: do we really need to innocent at all cost the sinful to demonize our own sin?
            Thank you!

          • Desbele

            Selam Kibrom,

            You wrote, “They know that after the war has started Meles was not different from them, hence there was ‘no action from Meles to intentionally stopping the Ethiopian army short of ending PIA’s regime’. The planning of Ethiopian military strategy for the 1st 2nd and third rounds of the war was meant to march to Asmara and change the regime. There was no Sieye group and Meles group in that sense. Capture Asmara, change the regime and be the hegemony power of HOA.”
            What is the conviction or source for your statement above.
            I read a book by former Ethiopian President Dr.Negasso Gidada that Meles and another member in fact voted against the war. The vote was ,if I am not mistaken,13-2 or 17-2.(I read the book long time ago) . Do you mean Melles endorsed the majority vote and worked for it or He supported the war from the beginning and there was no such group split in EPRDF?

          • blink

            Dear Desbele
            Did You find Barentu was a disputed area in the selected book of your leaders? If you find barentu was a disputed area then you can challenge kibrom unless your question is just a training for people like Alula and Daniel Brhane.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi blink,

            “about liberating Eritreans land from colonialism .”

            We were under Ethiopia colony ? Really blink?

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            Yes we were under Ethiopian colonial power and that is the truth, may be you wanted to play the Ethiopian playing card “ we were Ethiopian “.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear blink,

            For all the Ethiopian hating you preach, I really wonder if your background is Ethiopian, like the guy in power in Eritrea.

            My question was simple, were we under Ethiopian colony?

            I think it’s best you read the definition of colony and what it means.

            Its like you are very, very proud to claim that we were once Ethiopian colony.

            There is no pride being colonized by any body.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            It was you who asked and I replied without salt on plates. You asked and I replied, colonization is that you wanted to avoid in your history book.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear blink,

            We were not under Ethiopian colonization. I think the word you are looking for is Annexation.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            Annexation belongs to Badme .

          • Peace!

            Hi Berhino,

            So the thirty years of sacrifices, holding referendum and declaring independence was just to reverse annexation, ሕሰበላ እዚኣስ?

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Peace,

            I was not commenting about the 30 years of sacrifices or that the Eritrean people didn’t deserve to be independent. I will like to elaborate a little if you don’t mind.

            What I believe is, Ethiopia didn’t come to Eritrea shooting and killing Eritreans on it’s way. The Eritrean people invited them (not all but a half at least of the population) and wanted to join and united with them.
            Not only that, when they come and we agreed to be federated with them, our people out of their own free wheel AGREED (those who wanted total union with Ethiopia) to elect a leader (chief administrator) who was not even elected member of the parliament (Asfaha Woldemichael – who was representative of the king as per constitution).

            For all the blame that goes around, the UN, the US, Ethiopia, I personally think, the Eritrean leaders shoulder the responsibility for putting us in the mess that we ended up. When you break the rules and the division of power (a person serving both masters, the king and the Eritrean parliament) then, it creates conflict of interest.

            That’s the beginning of the whole and if we (our representative refused his election and even the attempt to run for election, boycott, arrested, killed what ever they need to do to refuse his appointment as chief administrator), I think we wouldn’t have gone to what we have gone.

            For the same reason, in 2001 when IA arrested the G-15 and convene the national assembly, they should have refused to endorse him and confronted him, face on and they should be killed if the must not to allow him. The whole reason you sign an oath, claiming to protect and honor the constitution and the responsibility given to me blah, blah is to uphold that oath and that responsibility when issue like that happens.

            That’s why I think Haji Musa is the greatest Eritrean ever lived, who faced the regime and stood ground no matter what the consequences are.

            Had any of our previous leaders had that kind of believe and understanding, we wouldn’t be were we are today.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            Please tell to someone who could not read you properly, the notion Federation was invited by Eritreans is false and you are repeating the old play book . Federation was forced over Eritreans and the notion half Eritreans
            invited Ethiopia is a false historical error told to every Ethiopians by wrong people at that time . Asfaha Weldemichale was Ethiopian that is known, Hailesilassie got Eritrea because he was rocking the west. Why you brought Haji Musa here is just to cover for your lousy views. You clearly said Eritrea was not colonized by Ethiopian leaders yet if we can go back to 1890 up to 1952 , it was under Italy and Britain plus you will be disappointing the 100 million Ethiopians who bragged their whole life “ Ethiopia was not colonized “ you see how foolish your views sound.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi blink,

            I feel sorry for you. You really have a hard time to defend the regime of IA and your whole purpose her at AT is to distort facts and diver the attention away from him regime.

            No one should take my word for it, but lucky for us there is a lot of historical facts that no body can dispute.

            Asfaha Woldemichael is Ethiopian? Atum sebat entay kinsemE ena…

            I advice that you read the book of aynefelale of alemseged tesfay history (1942-1952). Also you can go to the British archieve and read the history there….

            If this is not enough for…you should call your grand mother or your grand father who I believe among the many people lined up from Godaif with seti semhar, singing and dancing to welcome him.

            If this is not enough for you, just google the video of “Haile Sellassie state visit to Eritrea (1952)” and you will be surprised to see notable Eritreans welcoming him.

            Now, I am not in any way suggesting what those Eritreans did was wrong at the time. I am sure they did it thinking it’s in the best interest of Eritrea (and there is nothing wrong in that).

            Berhe

          • Desbele

            Hi Berhe,

            Tekeste Negash’s , “Eritrea and Ethiopia: The federal Experience” is another wonderful historical book that captures that period.
            Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain.
            Blink and Nitricc draw their Eritrean identity and knowledge from Yemane Monkey’s seminars.

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            Here you are running from angle towards the end dot. I really don’t have any one in godaif but to make you feel more lee man I will dress you with peeled banana,
            Counting one , the man was Ethiopian than any one from all Segenaiti born Eritreans, Zewde Retta called him “ the most Ethiopian from most of all. Zewde Retta book can be found I guess in Addis university library. The Asfaha weldemichael said” we are Ethiopians but yohannes sold us to Italy, the guy was just like you Unionist and more likely the grandfather of Desbele the coward unionists. The man was a coward and died as coward , first he served Italy by translation then he served Ethiopia by killing Eritreans on night. The fact you call him Eritrean is illogical to what he believes in as a person. He was more Ethiopian than any Ethiopian at his time by any measure.
            The number one Ethiopian was him than any one from Ethiopia but you look like the coward Desbele. I don’t have relatives who served Ethiopia but you can ask Desbele and you can actually fit in to that group.

            Now what is the beef you looking, Eritrea was colonized by Ethiopia that is the reality and the one person that facilitated it was Asfah weldemichael the coward man.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi blink,

            Is segeneyti in Ethiopia now? Entay knsemE ena….

            At least you are getting the history right….so you agree with me then…

            Why did the Eritrean parliamentarians allowed this “Ethiopian sympathizer” to be Chief Administrator (in charge of the federation).

            Members of the National Assembly (majority of them) voted for him.

            Were they all Ethiopians as well….

            Oh I forgot..you are not wedi Godaif, you are like your God Isayas… ( I said godiaf, I meant blocko Godaif, because that’s how he entered Asmara). W/ro Medhin Berad was one of those aba gayla..

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear berhe
            No it is in Eritrea but the man is Ethiopian that is what I am telling you. He by himself said that . Do not forget He also read to the Federation parliament in Amharic not in Arabic or Tigrinya. He served Ethiopia as he openly said he is Ethiopian.

          • Peace!

            Hi Berhino,

            Please help me reconcile logics here:

            Opposing PFDJ = caring for Eritrean people

            Opposing TPLF = hating Ethiopian people

            ** Both regimes are doing everything they can to stay in power including torturing and killing their own people.

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Peace Nebsi,

            He can hate the TPLF all day and twice on Sunday if he really wants. I never said the TPLF are equal to the Ethiopian people. For that matter none of the previous Ethiopian rulers represent the Ethiopian people.

            Please read what he wrote, he wasn’t talking about TPLF but the entire relation ship of Eritrea and Ethiopia starting all the way 1902.

            Berhe

          • Selam blink,

            Ethnic politics and ethnic resentment had always existed in ethiopia. It predates hsi’s and derg’s rules and goes far beyond that. Injustice by the unitary centralized governments pre-1991 against other ethnic groups was the call of the time for justice and equality, and the reason for the mushrooming of ethnically oriented liberation groups. Ethnic feelings were rooted in ethiopian politics all the time, and has always been ethiopia’s achilles heel, and therefore, we cannot say that tplf discovered it for the first time. Simply, tplf/eprdf implemented the so-called ethnic federalism, of course, not only out of genuine feeling to appease the different ethnic groups of ethiopia, but also to be able to rule for it helps in its divide and conquer strategy.

            Now that ethiopians have tasted the fruits of ethnic states (their pros and cons), a force towards ethiopian unity is in the process of picking up speed, to the disappointment of those who abhor ethiopianism and equate it to amhara hegemony. Tplf has no choice but to become part of this ethiopian unity, as long as it wants to remain relevant. At the same time, those who are sitting in foreign lands salivating and rejoicing, because they believe that the time has come to bring back the old system, simply by moving southwards from their hideouts in asmara, will be disappointed, for there is no ripe fruit to pick.

            It is impossible to dismantle ethnic federalism at this stage, without paying a grave price for it. Only economic prosperity and true democracy for all, can control ethnicism and make it gradually wither away.

            Nobody is going to be moved by the river of crocodile tears you shed for oromos and amharas. It seems that it is your new modus operandi of getting at tplf and finally at ethiopia, a new strategy and a new mission you people have been assigned by the regime in asmara. Let me tell you, you cannot care in the least for oromos and amharas, while you do not care at all for your own people. Simply you want to use them. They are not so naive as you may think.

            Lately it has become something common to bring to awate.com whatever esat and g7 and others are saying. The point is that ethiopians know them very well and eritreans are not interested so much.

            The true colonialism in eritrea is what we see today under the dictatorial regime, when you cannot travel within the country without a special permit, farmers are not owners of their produce, businesses do not own their money, ngos and journalists are not allowed into the country and nobody knows what happens behind the iron curtain.

            A very good proof that ethiopia never existed a colonial master of eritrea is that today free eritreans live in refugee camps in ethiopia, where they used to live in villas and apartments, they were rich business men, high military officers, generals, ministers and what not, when they were in ethiopia. This is the face of ethiopian colonialism, my friend, even if you deny it.

            You are generous in pointing out ethiopia’s misfortunes, while you are completely blind to what happens behind the iron curtain. Of course, concentrating only on ethiopia’s problems and hiding the predicaments of your own people is not going to change the reality, that you have nothing to boast about, nor are the misfortunes brought by the regime you support are going to disappear miraculously by themselves.
            Let me ask you this; is there a chance that you will come out of this antagonism and confrontation a winner and unscathed, hoping for the demise of tplf and the disintegration of ethiopia, or is this a hopeless final move, i.e. what else remains to lose, as a gambler would have said? Even now, you do not seem to understand that you people are alone in this unholy mission. Egyptian ego is deflating; they now know very well that only a win-win agreement can serve their interests, other arab countries are investing in the future breadbaskets of the horn (sudan and ethiopia), and sudan is getting assertive even towards egypt let alone towards eritrea. The horn of africa has changed and is continuing to change, and it is only eritrea that has not change, thanks to the regime you so passionately support.

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            You are here crying fool about Eritrea day in day out , suddenly you find a corner to tell us we are being sent by someone in Asmara, how is that even possible for you to play mr.adjustment ?

            I am just clarifying that TPLF extended the ethnic friction among Ethiopians. And it the reality that a man in Amazon can see. You said “Nobody is going to be moved by the river of crocodile tears you shed for oromos and amharas. It seems that it is your new modus operandi of getting at tplf and finally at ethiopia, a new strategy and a new mission you people have been assigned by the regime in asmara. Let me tell you, you cannot care in the least for oromos and amharas, while you do not care at all for your own people. Simply you want to use them. They are not so naive as you may think”.

            You are being mr.corocodial in the open screen. Get a grip and know I know everyone in this forum and you are the least to lecture about any thing. You are just a TPLF cry baby and many people know that you are being chameleon.
            No one is talking about Egypt or Sudan , we are talking about Ethiopia and its people.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Help me out here, does Eritrea has a border with the amhara and oromia regions as well? My point is Eritrea must have peace with the tigrian people since tigray is the immediate border to Eritrea. No peace in tigray will never be good for Eritrea. Think deep again!! What is Kenya, Somaila, Oromia, Amhara, Darfur, South Sudan and other regions not immediately bordered to Eritrea. Also, look at Djibouti, Tigray and East Sudan in relation to Eritrea? What I am saying you cannot have an enemy in this regions and expect have peace.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Yes Eritrea must have peace with any one around and that is mutual thing . Thomas I think I can help educate you geography , Eritrea borders with 3 Ethiopian states ( I mean we can go to Gonder ,Gotham with out touching Tigray and I think we can also go to welo ,Dase ,Weldia and all to Harare but as you said we need peace .

          • Nitricc

            Hi Blink; You are missing Thomas’s point. Why do you thing he is fighting for weyane-Tigray? wake up man. He is fighting for his wife.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You have no idea, but like I told multiple times I already have someone I love. Unlike you I already have a decent life here in the U.S. Unlike you I never go to nightclubs to find a wife, Tsemam. Go ask someone what tsemam means.

          • Peace!

            Thomas,

            ኣት ወዲ:) It is not a secret TPLF rules Ethiopia, and the people are demanding a fair share of power and economic advantages. Given that’s the situation, what’s wrong with siding with people? Plus TPLF wasted ample opportunities before the situation turned into የተነቃነቀ ጥርስ መውደቁ ኣይቀርም!

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace my friend,

            Me first and anyone else second. What am saying is problem in Ethiopia will complicate our problem. There is no guarantee with the out come is going to be. I want the DIA regime to have pressure from outside or the will destroy Eritrea for good.

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Well, that’s different issue, and as far as Ethiopians concerned, the current course is not sustainable. It is time for TPLF to seat down and listen to the people before too late. It has been three years and it hasn’t gotten any better.

            Peace!

  • MS

    Selam Kibrom
    Thank you again. I do concur with you in almost all areas regarding the illegitimacy of IA rule and disastrous policy he has pursued. Believe me, all those hundreds of thousands who brought this man to power (tegadalti/combatants and people) feel let down big time. Therefore, in its bigger picture, I find your inputs congruent with my views and my reading of our situation. I just called on all of us to be careful with citing “facts”. That’s where Hobaay Sema was brought in. And that was the thrust of my comments. I believe you got it.
    There are incidents in the past where opposition mass media would trust their sources but those sources ended up being intelligence arms of the regime. Feeding false information to one’s enemy is part of the game. Because at the end the target and primary audience of the news and information that opposition outlets disseminate are Eritreans inside the country who are closer to the theater ground. If they find the news, analysis, and views far from reality, it is a self-defeating feat for the opposition. Gedab News has been outstanding, in that, it has never posted something unconfirmed simply because it was sensational. Kudos to the editors of Gedab News. So, Kibromay, mine is not politics, it is a genuine feeling which I believe raises the quality of the forum.
    Gracias.

  • Kibrom

    selam Hope

    Yes, that was what I meant, ‘Eritrea has a legitimate right to make alliance for its best National Security Interest’. Please do not ask me do you mean 4 or you mean 2 and go to mhwtat to address the 2 you created yourself when I replied clear and loud that 2+2=4.

    ተስፎም፡ ሃለውለው ክንሱ ዘረባኻስ እንዳተበረህካኒ መጺኻ

    • Thomas

      Hi Kibrom,

      Ni b’haki ሃለውለው, one time he seems to oppose the regime and the next time he comes a s strong support of the regime, very difficulty to understand the mission of this guy.

      • Kibrom

        Hi Thomas,

        That is the school of thought from their instructors. Ask them why is sugar too expensive in Eritrea, they will tell you ምምሕዳር ኣሜሪካ ኣብ ጓንታናሞ በይ ዝፈጸሞ ግፍዕታት ከ ስለምንታይ ሰብ ዘይዛረበሉ።

        Police movies say ‘never go with a hippie to a second location’. The best way to deal with someone who changes its shape and form like amoeba is to stay on course and to not allow the insane lead you by the nose. Let’s avoid the derailed path – as our beloved country men would love to say ብዕራይ ናብ ዘበለ እንተበለ ዕርፊ ኣጽንዕ!

  • Kibrom

    Hello,

    Sources believe that PM Hailemariam D. of Ethiopia might resign as a result of his displeasure with the actions (killing) taken by security and police forces against the people of Ethiopia. Scenarios extend from the replacement of PM by more hardliner person to the integration of Ethiopia.

    • Mez

      Hi Kibrom,
      Any how next year is election year.

      But it is unlikely he would do that for over two dozens of reasons.

      Thanks

      • Kbrom

        Mez,
        If ever they survived to have another ‘election drama’.
        The man PM HD is very religious and as you know መጀመርያ ጥበብ ፈሪሃ እዝግሄር ኢዩ፥
        his wife, first lady Roman Tesfaye, who has a great influence in his
        religious dedication is said to be irritated with the current Ethiopian
        political landscape and wants her husband to quit the sinking ship which
        he is labeled to as captain of when the real people in the ‘great
        cabin’ are others.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Kibrom,
          What is a very religious man in politics? ካባ ዝለበሰ ውኻርያ?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Atum aya Haile
            Entay reKibukum. Why shouldn’t a religious man be in politics? As long as he doesn’t impose his religion on others? At lease he would fear the plea from the oppressed “qurub ezghiher firaH”. Abey emo. If we could say that to our Dear Leader. Our little god has forbidden people from coming to Debri Diga Halo to plead. He has assigned one of the Fasil brothers to hear the pleas in Asmara instead.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣብረሀት ሓውተይ፡
            ዝረኸበኒስ የብለይን። ኣርዮስ ያኹን ሳጥና-ኤል ረኺበዮም ኣይፈልጥን። what made me say that was the “very” part of it as I have difficulty reconciling the practice of politics as we know it with my expectation from a very religious person. But since going into this kind discussion is going into religious discussion without end I better find the exit saying ትጉሽተተይ። ፈላሲ ዓዲ ሓሎ እሞ ሓቅኽን፡ ኩሉ ንባዕሉ ስለዝሓስቦ መስቀል ክምጥምጥ ውን ኣብ ስእሊ ርኣናዮ!

          • Abrehet Yosief

            ኣያይ መዓረይ
            ኣነስ እዘን ደቂ ሕድርትና ደኾን ረኺበነኦ ኢለ እየ ተጨኒቐ። ጸበል ካብ ገርሰት ልኣኹለይ ኢለ። እቲ ዓዲ ሓሎስ national park ክኸውን እዩ፡ ቅርብ ምባል የለን።

          • Kbrom

            Peacn healthn neakum ykun Haile and Abrehet

            ኣይቱጎሽት ኣይትጎሻትት ሃይላት ዓቢ ሰብ።Indeed it is a mine field walking discussion.

            Just in 2017, a Liberal politician (leader) resigned because it’s ‘impossible’ to be a religious (deleted the name of the religion by me for the sake of sensitivity) and a progressive leader. In the middle east and some European countries it is clear that religion was used as a tool to retain power by Amirs and Emperors.On the other hand Obama was said to begin his every morning with a devotional prayer. which he described them as a “snippet of Scripture for me to reflect on”.

            As a research by (Christopher, 2015) highlighted it ‘historically and in contemporary societies, religion has played a central role in political life, and unfortunately so far often it has done so for the worse’.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Kibrom Hawey,
            ትጉሽተተይ ዘይፈልጡ ገዚኦምና እንዳበልናስ፤ ነዚ ሃይለ ሓወይ ክኣ ከተግድፎ። ኣይግድን ኣይግድን። The atheist leaders don’t fare any better. So I wouldn’t exclude religious people from participating in any activity that a citizen can and should do.

          • Nitricc

            HI Abrehet: I have no idea what you have said in Tigrigna but when you say ” The atheist leaders don’t fare any better.” I believe — George Bernard Shaw will disagree with you.
            “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one”

          • Kbrom

            Hi Abrehet,

            I think what Haile was saying is that it is difficult to be both at the same time as in dedicated for the two. ኣለኪ ሙሽ ከምዚ ሰብኣይ ደሊኽን ጭሕሚ ጸሊእክን ዝበሃል ኣብ ዓድና Indeed it is not easy because one says something the other says another thing.

            Politics would tell them tact is the ability to step on a man’s toes without messing up the shine on his shoes መጽሓፍ would say ንሓውኻ ከም ነብስኻ ኣፍቅሮ፡ politics would tell them to treat the art of deception as a nuanced path መጽሓፍ would say ኣይተታልል ኣይተሓሱ politicians would tell them it is permanent interest and not permanent friendship መጽሓፍ would say ንኻልኦት ኣይትጥለም ኣይትሰስዕ politicians would push them to say America first and erect a wall whilst መጽሓፍ would call ጎረቤትካ ከም ነብስኻ ኣፍቅሮ simply put, ‘politics determine who has the power, not who has the truth’ where as መጽሓፍ is all about ሓቂ፡ እምነት፡ቅንዕና፡ ንኻልኦት ከም ነስኻ ምፍቃር.

            I think that was what Haile said, ኣበይከ ጠፊኡ ድሮኳ ክናፍቖ ጀመርኩ!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣብርሀት ሓውተይ፡
            ረኺበናኒ ጥራይ! I placed my response on Jebena.

          • blink

            Dear Haile.S
            Is it Hawutey or Haftey ? Is it a regional dialectical differences or more of like R to chines people . Again another word I need for your help is AQEYTAY , can you give a shot

          • Haile S.

            Selam Blink,
            Since it is ሓው for a brother, the original for sister is ሓውቲ፡ but there are different usages that probably ended up to be regional like ሓፍቲ even ሓብቲ. For AQEYTAY (soldier), it is as you rightly put it ዓቀይታይ or ዓቀይቲ፡ ዓቀይቶት plural. Intetesting enough I couldn’t find the word in the tigrigna dictionary that is for auction fir Awate fund raising. May be Beyan could help finding it with his raptor eyes.

          • blink

            Dear Haile.S
            Thanks as usual Haile. S, I suspected the the difference of F and w can be regional too , I was looking at the word AQEYTAY if in any scenario has any relevance to the word Tsatse brought ( Entrepreneurship) or any kind of such meaning.

          • Nitricc

            “ዝረኸበኒስ የብለይን ኣርዮስ ያኹን ሳጥና-ኤል ረኺበዮም ኣይፈልጥን” Hahahahahah. I thought ኣርዮስ and ሳጥና-ኤል were names of real people and I was kind of lost. I just found out those names are the names of devil. I was confused, now it all makes sense. lol

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc.
            You are close. ሳጥና-ኤል is satan, but ኣርዮስ is not satan. ኣርዮስ is Arius, a Berber priest who differed on the nature of Christ from the mainstream during the meeting of Nicea (4th cenrury) and was condemned by the other christians. In Tewahdo chuch ኣርዮስ is considered almost as satan. Check Wikipedia.
            Nitricc you need Saint Thomas’s ጸበል።

    • blink

      Dear kibrom
      I I think so too because the Oromo guy is becoming super star of the youth. NB, kibrom don’t delete your comments before saying sorry.

      • Kbrom

        Selamta nea’ka blink
        what is deleted by who? When are you going to apply your favourite concept ‘evidence’ and practice it to your daily life. Blinkey, if i get ጥዕናን ዕምርን the main thing I would invest all my efforts is to see you not making judgment on assumption and have sense of objective academic exercise. You assumed I deleted, that assumption created another assumption which is ከም ተጋገየት ተፈሊጥዋ እኳ ኢያ ደምሲሳቶ, that another assumption created hallucination to declare success, and ask for apology then that self declared ናይ ዓወት ስኽራን created ምኽርን ማዕዳን ምልጋስ።

        • blink

          Dear kibrom
          I think you are acting as if no one saw your 9 comments that are now deleted in the article” Eritrean Refugees in Israel and Reverse Operation Moses” , do you believe no one will see it ? You are mistaken sir , you deleted 9 comments. I just wanted to hold you checked . I counted one by one and find 9 comments of yours deleted. You know the moderator will not delete your comments 9 times for just making outlandish accusations.

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Hope,

    IA has sanctioned the ERITREAN people from the day he set foot in the country and every year his sanctions are getting worse for no reason, except the hate he has.

    If Eritrea had a president who loves his people then, we would be talking about development and growth etc.

    Sanctions, national security, weyane, US, UN, haTew QeTew is just that he stays in power. It’s all diversion.

    Berhe

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, I found out this can be very informative to all parties. I know links are for weekends but I felt to good to wait till then. But it is up to the Moda. Very interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDv0uaKuOiA

  • Nitricc

    HI Ayneta, I know you are dead man walking but I was shacked the amount of Sugar the people of Ethiopia use. Sugar is a bad news when it comes to health but again a dead man like yourself won’t care about health. I still can’t believe the consumption of sugar in Ethiopia.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam folks, did you guys listen to what the Tembienay DIA said about the Eritrean marsas of Edi and Tio; he said they look like places of ደቂ እንዳ ሕድርትና. Yeah, actually, not only those places, but the whole of Eritrea looks like a place of ደቂ እንዳ ሕድርትና thanks to his rule with the blessing of his fanatic supporters in the West. And he is doing this on purpose, to destroy what Eritreans have of any value.
    Also last time I watched a very sad news on Eri tv about teaching the farmers of Kebessa how to fish ‘fresh water fish’ from the tiny dirty micro dams around them. One would wonder how about teaching the Eritrean people how to fish and consume the healthy fish from our vast Eritrean Red Sea with more than 1200km of coastline and hundreds of islands?
    ናይ በዓል ዓንደ ኢሳያስ ስግንጢር መወዳእዳ የብሉን:((

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Abraham H
      A relative of mine and his fellow farmers were told to stop using their small water pumps with which they irrigated the vegetable gardens. They were told that the government was going to use the micro dam for fish and their diesel pumps were polluting the water. It was a death sentence for the small farmers. But it was not a surprise. They had watched on Ethio TV a fish farming project on the dams there, and immediately knew that President Isaias would do the same.
      ናይ ደቂ ሕድርትና ገዲፍካ ተዛረብ። I couldnt believe my ears.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Abrehet<
        I can relate to that story. In the early nineties, a person I knew wanted to bring a small machine to manufacture socks–that simple nylon or cotton fiber socks. Some cadre from the ministry of industry told him "we will not encourage pollution of our environment by allowing factories in cities, try establishing it in the countryside." his application was rejected that simply. He asked, what is the pollution that a machine, equivalent to a sweing machine can cause? How do you get power supply in the country away from the consumption centers? Of course, there was no answer to that but the lopsided logic the cadres are fond of putting a stick on the wheel and hinder every idea. The only way they know to stop pollution is to stop every conceivable economic undertaking. They are still importing socks from elsewhere.

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Ustaz Saleh,
          Such personal initiatives are now called “proliferation”. Unless the dear leader concieves it first, it cannot take place.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Abrehet; you said ” I couldnt believe my ears.” and I couldn’t believe what I am reading. The government of Eritrea can’t even harvest the booming fish in the Red sea, yet, trying to fish farm in some villages? really? it doesn’t make sense. I am not trying to disprove you or anything but it just don’t make sense.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Nitricc,
          While letting Abrehet address your question, let me say this. The whole talk of the president was እዚ ተፈቲኑ ኣይቀንዐን፡ እዚ ተዘሪኡ ኣይዓንበበን፡ እዚ ተሰኒዑ ኣይሰርሐን, all in a third person, as if things are done or attempted by themselves and fail to give results by themselves and as if not only enemies, but also fate is against Eritrea. He never says “we planned and executed this, but did not work for this reason” for fear of admission of failure. But the way he presents things or tries to hide behind wordings is worst that a simple admission of failure, it is the best declaration of incompetency, ግመል ሰርቆ ኣጎንብሶ! So if Mersa-Fatma was left for the fairies to roam around, it is because he failed to encourage and do his best to assist the natural fishermen there to flourish. Instead of correcting the mistakes and re-igniting this huge fishing industry of the sea, he is trying to highlight his obsession on how useful can be the Dams and Mini-Dams. Don’t get me wrong, the dams are usefull for many purposes, but there is voluminous easily accessible and even exportable industry in the sea forgoing the incoherency.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Haile S.

            There is similar saying in tigrina “ገመል ሰሪቅካ ጉምቡሕ ጉምቡሕ”. Reminds me a joke I heard about the president long time ago, where people refer to him as “ርእሲ ዓካት”.

            Berhe

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Nitricc,
          I agree. It doesn’t make sense. I suggest watching Eri Tv and reading Eritrea Profile. You will find a lot of things that don’t make sense.

          • saay7

            Selamat Abrehet and all:

            Some enterprising souls have created programs which generate gibberish. There is the “corporate-speak BS generator” and, my favorite, the “New Age Bulls$!t generator” which has a reionizer button and when you press it, out comes things like “ We exist as morphogenetic fields.. The planet is buzzing with meridians. Aspiration requires exploration. The galaxy is calling to you via pulses. Can you hear it? It is a sign of things to come. The future will be an ancient refining of complexity. We must ground ourselves and enlighten others.” It’s long past-due for Eritreans to create an “IA BS generator” and yes I am thinking of it and no I probably won’t follow through with it.

            But for those who want to pick up the idea, I would be willing to supply the glossary of words and phrases including:

            Hegemony, distortion እየ ዝብሎ, World War II, Cold War, ወያነ, በኒኑ, ጭፍራ, sector by sector, in this country, ውዳበ, ኣያ, game over, Washington, Huntington, in our culture, double-digit growth, ላግፂ, its a joke, Alebu, Hmret Kelboy, Gahtelay, ኣሽቀልቶም, ኸደምቲ, so-called terrorism, ሱታፈ, doesn’t exist, Mars, moon, Somalia, Somalis, vertical polarization, ደሞዝ, Horn of Africa, Northeast Africa, ኣሽካዕላል….in _____ we will march at faster pace than ever.

            Saay

          • blink

            Dear saay
            Welcome sir , just wanted to say hello and welcome.

          • Nitricc

            SAAY, nice to see you back.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saay7,
            Welcome back. You forgot ሓሶታት። ሓሶት ክበዝሕ እምበር ክረብሕ ስለዘይሰማዕኩስ, I started to writing a criticism on IA about that when I heard it in the voice of the late Ararat Iyob in one of her poems making me stop what I wanted to say in her honor.

          • Kibrom

            selam,

            ካብ ምብቃዕ ዝሑል ኩናት ኣትሒዙ ማለት ፉካያማ ከምዝበሎ ምውዳእ ታሪኽ ኮይኑ ዓለም ሓደ ደንበ ምስኮነት ከምዚ ናትካ በብእዋኑ ሰባት ካብ ዲስካሽን ፎርም ኣይጠፍኡን ምባል የዋህነት ኢዩ።እዚ ህዝቢ እዚ ዘርኣዮ መኸተ ጽላት ብጽላት ማለት ኣብ ምስራሕ ገዓት መሸላ፡ ተጸሚዱ ከሎ ዝሞተ ቅዋም ኣልዒልካ ምዝራብ ኣሽካዕላል ኢዩ። ብዙሓት ኣካላት መንግስቲ ዝፈተንዎ ብኣለቡ ዝቖርጽ ጽርግያ ተባሂሉ ዝጀመረ ምስ ናይ ወያነን ኣሸቐልቱን ውዲታት ተሓዊሱ ዘይሰርሐ ፕሮጀክታት ብዙሕ ተማሂርናሉ ስለዝኾና፤ደሓር ንመጾ ንኸውን ግን ምስዚ ዘልዓልካዮ ሕቶ ተታሒዞም ዘለዉ ክንጀሃረሎም ዘይንደሊ ዓበይቲ መደባት ተራእዩ፡እዘን ብሓሶታት (ኡይ በለ ሃይላት) ተደፋፊአን መንእሰያት ዶብ ዘስግራ ኣንስቲ ንቁልቁል ዘተፋንን ሽግር ከየምጸኣ ብኣግኡ ዝግባእ ስጉምቲ ክወስደሉ ይግባእ እዚ መንግስቲ። ሸርፊ ንምቁጽጻር፡ ናይ ከትሪ ባንክታት ምግታእ ምስኡ ዝኸይድ ኣብዚ ዓመት ተታሒዙ ዘሎ ምትዕርራይ ስርዓተ መንግስቲ ኢየ ዝብሎ ኣነ ኢዩ።ማዕረ ማዕሪኡ ኣብ ዎል ስትሪት ጆርናል ዝረአ ምብኻን ኢየ ዝብሎ ኣነ፡ ከምኡ እውን ዘይምዕሩይ ኣቃውማ ባይቶ ጸጥታ ንምስትትኽኻል ዝሕግዝ ዘዳለኽዋ ሓንቲ ጽብቕቲ ዓንቀጽ ኣላ …………..l’absurdité continue et les gens souffrent

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kibrom,
            Tu es un vrai sosie d’IA, en parole (You are a true double of IA, in speech):-) 🙂 🙂

          • Kibrom

            Selam Haile

            toccare il ferro!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Haile,

            I think he is truely his speech writer (or interview writer:).

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Oh wow Kibrom:

            You have written the ultimate Isaias Bull$h!t Generator. There is one fake-humble phrase he uses “ብዙሕ ዝምስገን/ዝናኣድ ኣይኮነን” … and thank you for the tigrinya translation of “vertical polarization”, which sounds like some satellite channel frequency.

            Saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Welcome Saay7,
            I was threatening to start writing one proverb a day to jolt you out of your doldrums, however much you deserved to be in one.

            I will do a paragraph using my BS generator. But I will put it on Jebena (in this case the BS will be American coffee served on paper cup.) Wait for it.

          • Beyan

            Dear Sal,

            Some of us were screaming our lungs out trying to listen to the bozo on his yearly Ajawjaw. We had you to go through the pains of listening and giving us the digestible version of it, where we could read without having zantac at hand for an anti-acid, what have you.

            Be that as it may, the most important part is that you come back to your virtual home-turf. You’ve been sorely missed…you know how it is…people don’t realize how much a person means to them until they go missing in action, at which point is where the withdrawal symptoms begin to appear. Your MIA status was understandable and glad to see you back swinging as your old-self.

            Cheers,
            Beyan

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selam Saay,

            Nice to have you back! You were missed a lot, but you have not missed much; almost the entire year – nearly the whole 12 months of it – is in front of you!!

          • Ismail AA

            Dear saay7,
            Glad to have you back (nawerta beitek). Many of us who benefit from your valuable contributions have missed you. There are things that need uniquely gifted and equipped persons that open horizons to complex issues that enable others to understand them better. I am sure many will agree with me that your are one of them.

          • saay7

            Ismailo (and everybody else)

            Awatistas, I am using Ismail as your ambassador because everybody loves Ismail: thanks for the welcome back. I was reading in my absence but I had one of those “I have nothing to say, I have everything to say” moments and in times like those, us grey hairs know it means say nothing. I am also happy to hear your health is fine.

            Awate.com’s forum has an amazing ability to regenerate. I don’t want to mention names, because that spooks people, but this forum has a long continuum of different opinions which makes it more fun to read.

            saay

          • ኦፊሰር ኦን ደክ።
            ሰላማት ኣድመራል፡

            ኣይ ኒድ መዝገብ ቃላት ኢንተርፕራይዚን ብትግርኛ ክፈልጣ።

            ጻጸ

          • saay7

            TSatSe:

            Until the experts come up with a better one:

            ወፋራይ: ሓርኮትኮት ባሃላይ

            Saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            Good to see you back. You were missed. Until someone comes with better or more closer interpretation, I would prefer as follows:

            Enterprise = ትካላዊ መፍረ

            Regard

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Thanks! But what TSatSe asked translation for was not “enterprise” but “enterprising”. It’s a trick question: the answer is related to his nickname, “ant” 🙂

            saay

          • Peace!

            Hi Saay,

            Good to see you back! I think Emma’s answer sounds almost right except:

            Enterprise = መፍረይ
            Enterprising = ሙውፍር

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay, Mahmuday & Peace,

            How about this:

            Entrepreneur = አዋፋሪ

            Enterprise = መፍረ

            Enterprising = ምፍራይ

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            That would be correct if you replace enterprise with invest.

            Peace!

          • Haile S.

            Gentlemen,
            Let me be your IA for today. In fact Paulos(?) had compared me with him some weeks ago for mentioning unusual word, I don’t remember what.
            Enterprising is Emma + peace = ምውፍርፋር

          • Haile S.

            Sorry,
            See edition please. I added Saay7 in the equation. He suggested ወፋራይ first.

          • MS

            Ahlan Saleh
            Asenaay eb deHanka metsaeka. Arheb….
            Enterprise: according to my Tigrayet-Tigrignish
            tkal: wanine-tkal: Emam/medeb; hrkoot/tsaEregna
            Wo deHanka….aytestewaHdo

          • Haile S.

            Gentlemen,
            I just checked online Abyssinica dictionary and as Mahmoud mentioned it defines it as ወኒነ ትካል።
            Emma, where have been these days? እንድዒ ሎሚ ዘመን መርዓ ተተሓሒዝካያ ኢኻ ዘለኻ እሞ፡ መንኩብ ብውዕዩ ከሎ ነታ ዝተረፈት ሂቡዋ’ዶ ኢለ እየ።

          • saay7

            Hailat, Mahmuday, Emma, Peace:

            ኣንቱም ሰባት 🙂 TsatsE is asking for the meaning of “enterprising” (context: enterprising soul) and NOT enterprise 🙂

            saay

          • Peace!

            Hi Saay,

            ህርኩት = enterprising

            Peace!

          • blink

            Dear saay
            What about aqeytay ?

          • Peace!

            Hi Haile,

            ወናኒ ትካል – ሰብ እዩ, but the question is “enterprising” ዝቐረበት መልሲ “ህርኩት” ትኸውን ይብል:)

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Sometimes, it is good to observe from the sidewalk of the debate, when you don’t have anything to say. Except the debate on Yohannes’s article, there wasn’t productive debate that mimics enthusiasm and throws you in to the center of exchanging Views.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            ወናኒ ትካል is more closer to Entrepreneur than to enterprising. Don’t you think so?

    • Haile S.

      Selam Abraham,
      “the whole of Eritrea looks like a place of ደቂ እንዳ ሕድርትና”. Well said. All his answers were about attributing the totality of his and his governments failures to the country’s citizens. This reminds me of a riddle (ሕንቅልሕንቅሊተይ) and I let you and all Awatistas to answer it ኣባ ጃዊ ሰለፉ ሃሪሙ ዘእዊ!

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Haile, not sure, but i guess this is the answer to your riddle:) It is amazing this clip has more than 21 million views:)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CenN7d30Y

        • Haile S.

          Hey Abraham,
          You got it! Thank you.

    • Kibrom

      Hi Haile and Abraham

      What is worse is when his followers repeat whatever he says. After 15 years at one point he said ስርዓተ ትምህርቲ ኤርትራ ብኽነት wastage ኢዩ። All the stooge including the then minister of education Osman Saleh, and the one who was trying to mimic him, aka minister of information Ali Abdu started to say ትምህርቲ ኤርትራ ብኽነት wastage ኢዩ. Now we will hear them saying ዓድታት ኤርትራ እንዳ ሕድርትና እየን። Poor Eritrea!

      Povero mio amato paese e popolo!

    • Mez

      Greetings Abraham,

      On the “micro-dam fish” it may give sense, at least over the coming decade. Assuming the dams are in their hundreds acros the nation. The turbid water from the mountains (minerals, bio-byproducts,…) may be good for this purpose. The challenge will be plankton availability and growth rate (high alitude, low temperature,…) as the main food chain for the fish.

      Thanks

  • Selamat,

    https://youtu.be/Og39P1jlass

    Swagger nayy M.TB.S

    Xaxe

  • blink

    Dear Ayneta
    Is your grandma the Author of Hunger games ? Just from the idioms of her . Chaining your body and get sold is not a story at first place. These you see are a disgrace to humanity and to their families. I would rather die than to be pictured like that opposing Uganda or Ruwanda air transport. These people must be taken to individualism class and listen what it means.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam blink,
      The fellows you are disparaging, did what they have to do to bring their issue accross. A picture is worth a thousand words. It seems to be working, with Rabbis vowing to hid them and pilots refusing to fly them. Sad to see, their own compatriots more worried about how this image reflects on them, than worrying about the welfare of others.

      • blink

        Dear Abrhet
        Which issues are they bringing and to who ? Why are Eritreans being held on dark about Israel government? They( these on pictures) have been called the monkeys and people with cancer and every other in Israel or palestain knows everything about the current government of Israel and here we have people new to this , apart from their disgusting and horrific situation these people can do nothing about how the Israel government is going to throw them . No one be it UN agencies or any single is to cross the Israel government, so what did these people get from their own disappointment? None , you can do nothing and UN can do nothing, we all know Israeli government sits over many crimes yet what happened? Count it from 1967 up to now there will never be any possible reasonable solution for any one who is not a Jew. Get that straight. I feel sad these to be Eritreans but I really do not feel their pain more than a single mother with 3 kids in Gaza . These you see on chain are nothing but lazy who wanted a Canadian eye. I feel ashamed to see and call these as Eritreans. I am not sure if Israel has 40, 000 rabis who can hide these guys. Trust me there are more philpin in Tel Aviv than Eritreans but guess who is where. Now why are the opposing Uganda or Ruwanda ? Is this because it is not safe or Benjamin thing ? These guys can’t be behind refugees problems, you wanted to know about refugees, ok ask people from Syria .

    • Selamat QbaH BaH,

      TiTTiQo Hamuss Xigbo…tSigebb maETSO mendebb
      HatSurr DenQebb

      Entayy ‘mo zeyderesett Haboba Yena^2
      TSeHafitt Ternafit megabit
      ……. 1. ……..1………….1

      Natural log 2^3…BIT

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      tSAtSE
      Abbu AAshera Weapon X – Evolution.

  • Josef Says

    Hello All,
    I know this is not completely connected with above story. But I thought I share a story..

    Earnly 2000s I was at my uncle house and he was excited about interview by PIA. At that time, I was not keeping up with Eritrean news. He is skeptical person and not government supporter- he just wants best for his people.
    I agree to watch the interview and the interview with Mr. Aferwerki lasted about 2+ hours.
    I took my notebook and said- I will analyze what he says and draw my own conclusion.
    I was raised to think for myself and critically- no cognitive sheep were allowed in my family.

    I sat their for 2+ hours listening to interview. And the only reason my uncle and I were watching the show to get information about condition in Eritrea.
    So, Aferwerki talked about Sudan, Yemen, Djoubti, Ethiopia(1/2 time), United States, and United Nation… And he analyzed those countries and what is wrong with them… and that… and I as he continued to talk I was getting restless because he didn’t say anything about condition in Eritrea. Right at the end he rumbled something about meaning of democracy and few sentence about Eritrea.

    I looked at my uncle and he asked me “what do you think?”
    I told him “when do they interview the president- that sounds like the foreign minister”
    I was surprised that he spent 2+ hours talking about other countries and nothing about his own country and people…

    I thought it was political trick in that politician avoid certain questions by answering another question….

    but then I still found it strange.. at minimum presidents of countries talk about their country.. they might exaggerate and make bold claims or lie… “roads are getting built, we have increased this or that” .. “our capacity has grown”…
    Another thing that makes it strange also is Eritrea has a large diaspora and I am sure the diaspora want to know what happening in their country..

    I just wondered do guerilla fighter talk their camp condition? I know the might send video and information for fundraising..

    Many years- I notice similar thing within diaspora community- Eritreans are expert on Ethiopia, Somalia, Israel, America, etc.. every country and culture except their own..
    The second thing I discovered was their knowledge of these countries is very limited and superficial and it has no depth..
    You hardly find serious scholarship about Eritrea and culture after independence.. pre-independence there was lot scholarship and literature..

    Let’s not be foreign minister paying attention other people and countries that don’t give shit about us!!!

    I got to point where I said to myself…
    1. I want to learn my people and culture and history.. from kingdom of dmt.. based on archaeological evidence
    https://www.amazon.com/Archaeology-Ancient-Eritrea-Peter-Schmidt/dp/1569022844

    As I started on this journey- I asked myself the next question- Dmt and Axum which were at heartland of Eritrea were some of the most amazing kingdom in world.. some even say Axum was number 4 in world.. with traders sailing all the way to India, Europe, etc.. so, what happened?
    How did a culture that produce one the most magnificent kingdom of ancient world rank number 196 in the world unable to produce a stable country full of ignorance..

    At this point- I started investigating Eritrea culture and tried to find the best elements of Eritrean cultures.
    I am working on an essay to explore this..

    2. I will learn about other cultures when necessary- to see what I can pick up and useful.. but will not waste time with superficial knowledge of other countries history or politics if it doesn’t have an impact on me..

    3. One of teacher told me “culture can be your poison or your medicine”

    4. Awate community what part of Eritrean culture is our medicine in this world?

    5. What part of our culture is poison in this modern world?

  • blink

    Dear Ghirmai
    Is that a service paying system around TPLA world . Counting the dead body and daily ethnicity based killings can not be changed. We have so many things but my account was from UN agency and you can get it yourself while yours is a propaganda machine of the new Adwa new building.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All: I just read this and I can’t believe what I am reading. What do you do with 5 kilo sugar per month? oh my that is 11 lbs sugar. Sugar has no benefit but why so much Sugar Ethiopians are using.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rations-5kg-sugar-per-month-132401962.html

    • Josef Says

      Mr. Nitricc,
      I am not sure why are you posting this here?
      Ethiopia sugar problem?
      I am not sure relevance.. if it is accidental post..

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Josef Says,

        He know nothing about his country ..but only talk about other country..Now I am not also aware of Sugar problem –shortage in Ethiopia..

        KS,,

        • Josef Says

          Selam.. it was strange..
          A couple of years ago.. I was studying commodities like sugar, etc.. for trading.. I was not successful at it..
          When I saw Nitricc.. I thought I was back to those days..

    • blink

      Dear Nitricc
      I haven’t seen Tewekel office of aljazeera in Addis report about that , or about the daily killing of innocent Ethiopians by the Somali killing machine, what happened to Tewekel eyes of journalism? Can’t he even right one report about the death of Ethiopians? The main reason for hiding behind fake news about Eritrea is reasonable but to sit there as a branch for the Kingdoms of Qatar and make lies about Eritrea is beyond his own presence. He was smiling with Sibhat nega only to be silent. By the way I hope the sugar price increase in Ethiopia by 10 folds , sugar needs no in abandance . Not good to body .

      What happened to Tewekel the Aljazeera guy in Addis, looking innocent people get killed and stay silent!!!

  • MS

    Selam All
    Egyptians or no Egyptians; C-130 or Hobaay sema?
    1. Zainab Beshir sang Hobbay sema (Amora semaay/Tigrigna)…She would ask the hawk to tell her what it had seen…keeps singing the events of that era in a call and response fashion with the hawk….Is it a hawk or an eagle, HaileS?
    2. Definitely, there were a couple of resident hawks were spotted in Sawa, on December 28 and 30. No C-130 or no Egyptian contingent were seen.
    3. There has not been any change in Eritrea-Egyptian relation. To the contrary, Egypt is cozying up itself with Ethiopia as was described by Ethiopian PM. The Ethiopian PM even went farther to describe Egypt’s readiness to work with Ethiopia, among other things, in ensuring the security of the Red Sea, as he put it “Ye Ertra Bahr.” Hmm…what’s going on Miss. Egypt?
    4. Sudan decided to close its borders and upped the game. That’s its choice. It is flashed with Qatari money, encouraged by new-found Turkish relation, and Ethiopian economic and security deal that it could not turn down. Those who remember it won’t forget Sudanese Numeiri’s closure of our access to the outside world during a crucial period of our history, 1982, and his devilish deal with Mengistu. Eritreans are familiar with recurrent closures. Both of the governments are dictatorial regimes, and one can only hope their tantrums will not affect the longstanding relations between the two brotherly people.
    5. Back to the point: how do we assess credibility? Someone says “IA said so and so,” or “This and that meeting took place and so and so said so…”
    In 1988, in the presidential election campaign, George H.W. Bush said he would not increase tax. As a guarantee, he told Americans, “Read my lips:no new taxes.” Most Americans believed him, and he was elected president. How did they believe him? They trusted his personal character. The man was in public eyes for quite some time, and Americans trusted him. So, how do we assess the credibility of figures, statistics, encounters, and so on that forum participants throw in this forum? Read their lips. You have no guarantee. How do we read the lips of persons who live behind pennames? I don’t know. I kind of quip when I read statements that place the person making them right in the situation room, with PIA and his closed circuit. How do you know if that person is legitimately in the-know-company or just churning up figures based on available reports, just making his or her own spin on them? The only way to decide is to know the person. Knowing the person making certain assertions helps you giving him/her a credibility value, or some degree of certainty, based on your long observation of the person’s inputs.
    6. Facts and ideas are two different things. Facts are subject to verification, they are very sensitive to accuracy-checks. On the other hand, the discussion of ideas accommodates one’s viewpoints.
    7. Egyptians are ahead of their pears in military inteligence and capabilities. There are many easy choices for them to create havoc in Sudan than landing cargo planes in Sawa.
    Therefore, considering facts: either C-130 landed in sawa, or not. If I made those “reports”, I should expect that people who heard otherwise will ask me for evidence. This is not discussing an idea; it is about facts.
    PS: How do I know there were no two C-130 landing in Sawa, or that there were no Egyptians camped in Marsa teklay- who were reportedly roaming the Sahel and Barka region, as reported by some opposition outlets? There are people who live there, whom I trust more than someone who comes in nickname. Now, read my lips…You don’t have to believe what I say….but I will tell you there were two Hobbay sama landing in sawa, not C-130.

    • Beyan

      Selam MS,

      I am neither endorsing nor opposing your takes, I am choosing to take my Fifth Amendment Right to shut my mouth for the sake of obliging to the mood of the morning, which is music and songs. “Read my lips”, I shall not comment. However, MS, how can you mention a song and not share it, bud…did you forget that it is weekend.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBxf1ZAG1lI

      • MS

        Ahlan Beyan
        I agree with you in taking the Fifth. I thank you for bringing Zainab to the stage. Her voice is just as sweet as that of a saxophone. Oops, we have a gentleman who is allergic to saxophones- the great SGJ!!!

        • Ya Ustazz MTBS,

          Aariko… Seni Halieka… Beyann ezzenn qalatt tergumelna…

          Beri Halieka… Aser Halieka… Hatieka…

          tSAtSE

    • Berhe Y

      Dear MS,

      Sometimes I wonder how you take what the ERITREAN presidents says and does at face value. Ok let’s agree that there are no Egyptians in Sawa or no plane arrived. Would you believe it that Assab was leased and UAE is launching military attacks on Yemen from Eritrea.

      I mean which is really outrageous decision the president has made. What makes you think and believe the same way he decided on UAE unillitarly without anyone consultation or that he can be asked for, can’t make the same decision if Egypt decides to send IRS military or its planes.

      He is accountable to no body and you know that. Why are making all this excuses (George Bush, he broke his promise when he saw how bad the finically situation and recession was. Honestly the best decision at the time and sacrificed his chances of winning because it was the right thing to do, instead of increase the national debt, which Clinton benefited when he come to power. And Clinton kept the taxes and didn’t reverse them, until later Bush the second come to power).

      There is no comparison and he paid the consequences (when he run the election again), that’s called – Accountability. No comparison what so ever in Eritrea. Right now what ever decision Isayas makes, its like God makes no body question but accepts it.

      Berhe

      • MS

        Selan BerheY
        I have read your lips, my friend. This is not about UAE or the president (IA). This is about Egypt’s cargo planes landing in Sawa. You wrote, “Ok let’s agree that there are no Egyptians in Sawa or no plane arrived. Would you believe it that Assab was leased and UAE is launching military attacks on Yemen from Eritrea.”
        This is nonsense, my friend. Did I comment about Assab or UAE? Did I say IA would not allow Egypt to use Eritrean territory? If you have to respond, please be specific. I used a past tense: There were no C-130 or Egyptian contingent in Sawa.
        Regards.

        • Josef Says

          Hello All,
          I read this article.. I can’t figure what is about really?
          What is the fact? It seems a lot of assumption and supposition, innuendo , etc..

        • Berhe Y

          Hi MS,

          Sorry if I misunderstood you but your last statements is what prompted me to reply back.

          “How do I know there were no two C-130 landing in Sawa, or that there were no Egyptians camped in Marsa teklay- who were reportedly roaming the Sahel and Barka region, as reported by some opposition outlets? There are people who live there, whom I trust more than someone who comes in nickname. Now, read my lips…You don’t have to believe what I say….but I will tell you there were two Hobbay sama landing in sawa, not C-130.”

          It’s ok if you dispute the story and no problem for asking for evidence. But questioning one integrity because they have used pen name, I don’t think is a good legitimate reason. I am sure if someone you will not reveal your sources if some dispute your evidence that you got from the people on the ground. How do you know the person with pen name is not someone on the ground.

          Berhe

          • MS

            Dear Berhey
            you would be the last person I would pick a fight with. You are touching tangential issues. The government of Sudan did not say that Egyptians were in Sawa, let alone specifically mentioning the landing of C-130s. Aljazeera broke the “news”, and then every network copied and pasted it, the last one being the Economist. You seem to be putting a lot of expectation from the situation between Eritrea and Sudan. Regarding the nature of the relationship between the political forces of Eritrea and Sudan, I mentioned Numeri as an example to show a pattern and qualified it by saying that closing offices and border areas were not new.
            You have every reason to believe I might be repeating what “the government” said. I know I am not.
            Gracias, and let me have my Saturday afternoon nap, please.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear MS.

            Sorry for the delayed reply. I am not putting a “lot of expectation” on the closure of the boarder but I don’t think the situation is just “simple” and “Normal”. From PFDJ and IA, yeah that’s business as usual but from neighboring countries, is really a series matter. If one country takes such measure, I think, it would mean all other efforts have lost. It’s extreme measure in diplomatic world…but in PFDJ and IA and Eritrean, that’s all normal.

            You said “Aljazeera broke the “news”, and then every network copied and pasted it, the last one being the Economist.”

            I am not sure what exactly you mean. IA totally dismissed the news item and not only that, he tried aljazeera all together that it’s main purpose is to create “false” news. What you are saying, seems to me that you are trying to cast doubt on the news.

            I am sure Aljazeera would make mistake every now and then but to totally dismiss as false I think is not the right answer. I think it’s record speaks for it self…where the Eritrean government have no such record to speak of.

            You also said “The government of Sudan did not say that Egyptians were in Sawa, let alone specifically mentioning the landing of C-130s. ”

            May be they do not need to give specifics and they don’t have to say it publicly. But reading between the line the actions taken by both Sudan and Egypt speaks for itself.

            Sudan recalled it’s embassy from Egypt.
            Sudan closed the boarder with Eritrea.
            President of Egypt said publicly that “Egypt is not conspiring to go to war with Sudan and Ethiopia”.
            Sud

            Anyway, it’s ok to have different view.

            Berhe

          • MS

            Selam Berhey
            Thank U for the reply. The point is specific, pertaining to an alleged Egyptian threat from the Eritrean side, including the landing of cargo aircrafts at Sawa, reportedly unloading weapons going to Sudanese rebels. I have already discussed that; I have little to add. There is no specific material on your side, except your obvious disappointment that I dismissed Aljazeera’s fake news. Ya Habibi, there is a lot of chatters in the Arab world, all I can tell you is that I wish Eritrea did not find itself caught in the stampede. I understand the root cause of why we continue to find ourselves in such a precarious situations, and I curse the regime really nastily. Concerning Aljazeera, it has torn apart societies of the region. Its English edition is somewhat a cover meant to fool the nonArab speaking Western World. Anyway, I’m not merely casting doubt on Aljazeera’s fake news, I’m telling you it was a fabrication. U don’t have to believe me, though. Also, I can assure you I don’t even listen to or watch IA interviews. I gloss over the transcription of his interviews on the paper. I’m not even sure if I have read it purposely. But you have the right to live with the impression that my comments left on you.
            With all due respect, I’m through with it Berhe TsaEda.
            BruK meAlti.

          • iSem

            Hi MS and Berhe:
            Whether there are Egyptians in Sawa is irrelevant to the fact that region is really in the brink of imploding. But is is NOT going to blow up in flames before we move on to a different article. I think the region is in more dangerous situation than any time (that is since I became a political junkie and that is a long time, to use a calendar by a guy called Wedi Saleh, it is around when Wedi Gobozay blew up the first thank in Neck Adi Shrum to liberate Affabet;-)
            1. Egyptians may not be physically present in Sawa, Jazira is not in Eritrea and would not be a well sourced news, but people of Sudan are uprising, and the regime in Sudan is fearful that IA may again ignite the Beja rebellion in the east, so they mabe creating the problem in teh border. But this not to say that PFDJ is will not allow Egyptians in Eri if it thinks will help them survive even at huge cost of Eri’s future
            2. The Darfur rebellion is not dead, there are two groups in Lybiay waiting and it is a matter of time that Darfur will splinter
            3. IA is playing with fire, instead of fixing his problems with Sudan and Ethopia he is whoring with the far away countries like SA and Egypt instead of next door, relatively
            Egypt may use Eritrea as pawn to undermine Ethio, it is still mad and cannot believe its eyes that Ethio was stable enough to build the dam, something that should have been done 60 years ago
            Egypt’s initial hosting of WelWel and M.Adam to launch the revolution was not cus they supported Eri independence but the instability of Ethiopia and mind you Egypt did not support Eri’s independence when finally May 1991 arrived
            Sudan is most likely to further disitegrate and that is not good for Eritrea. The region will see violence in the decades ahead and Africa is sleeping. Sudan is a prime candidate to be come like Somalia

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            It’s really sad that Eritrea got itself in this mess. I don’t Africa is sleeping, but as a matter of fact it’s leaping towards prosperity and the future. For example, Kagame is the new chair of the AU this year and here is what he said in his speech:

            “Today we launch the Single African Air Transport Market (SAATM). We are nearly ready to launch the Continental Free Trade Area, and freedom of movement of persons is achievable in 2018.”

            I think African is moving in the right path and it’s shame that Eritrea is putting it self in the mess that it has no business of getting involved.

            I am really optimistic at the progress Africa is making. The Arab world on the other hand, I think the mess is getting worst and I don’t know where it will end.

            Egypt is just trying to use it’s muscle to exert pressure on Ethiopia and Sudan. The best it can hope is, for Ethiopia to agree to delay filling the dam. I think that’s a win-win situation for both countries if they find a middle ground..Ethiopia says 2 years, Egypt asking 10 years..5 or 6 years should be where they will land I think….

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            You are right prosperity will go a long way, for example it can help with what you have always mentioned: the other USA (united states of Africa) but the especially worry some is our region, Sudan is in a volatile situation, S Sudan is mess and that can make the horn bad place and then the Arabs, ISIS etc will interfere
            Prosperity has a potential to blur the ethnic divide, but it can also be manipulated like the prosperity of the Arab word,
            I am not sure about Kigame, I think one day he will get mad and lash at the other ethnic group that murdered his own 25 years ago. He is even more lunatic than IA. He not Mandella, you know

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            Long time. You said “He is even more lunatic than IA.” Do you believe this or you are actually saying it.

            He is not Mandela, no body is. And we don’t expect Mandela to just pop up here and there.

            I honestly don’t know how repression in the country but based on the small that I know, the difference is night and day compared to Eritrea. I would even argue, he is even better that Melles Ethiopia as far as vision and the things so far achieved, considering what the country went through.

            For example, please read vision 2020 that Rwanda started to implement way back in 2000. Ethiopia / Melles were 10 years behind when they start talking GTP by 2010.

            In 20 years they plan is Rwanda to be in par with the rest of the works in health care, child mortality, literacy, and they are in track.

            They have one of the best connected (internet) country in the region. In Africa, they are third in holding conference of invocation, trade and what have you. Better then Nairobi and Addis?

            Recently a computer manufacture from Brazil setup jobs and they building / assembling them in Rwanda. Guess what, the government signed to buy 150,000 a year to distribute to students.

            This shows that the leader is not afraid of people getting knowledge, including that could be against him. This is confidence, in my opinion.

            The only way IA is better than him is in training shooters, by handing guns.

            As to the rest of Africa (sub Saharan) excep in the horn, I think most of them are doing much better. Ethiopia peaceful transition is very crucial to the region and Africa in general.

            I think Africa needs to focus on its internal trade and development, less the north. Sudan is in tough situation but the situation can be resolved if they are willing to make concessions and compromise. The S. Sudan is a bad experiment that any further fragmentation of Sudan will not produce positive results. Unfortunately they are also influenced by what happens in the Arab world but they are far enough to be affected, if they look inward to Africa.

            The Arab problems, ISIS or what ever, I don’t think the will have much success in Africa. The horn country are the one who are affected directly but hardly there is a sign that they have much influence (even in Somalia). IA is playing with fire by getting involved and it can have a determinental consequence for Eritrea.

            With or without the northern African countries, Africa is emerging and the future is bright, with all the problems.

            The Arab problems, I don’t think it will be resolved anytime soon, until Iraq and SA find a peaceful resolution to their ambitions.

            Berhe

          • MS

            Selam Semere
            Welcome back , and good talking points. Now, interested folks can have interesting discussion, and my observation is not different than yours, except that it lacks Wed-Andom’s Spices (chew and berbere)…

          • iSem

            Hi Mahmud
            The Calendar of Wedi Saleh was the spices;-)
            come on u disappoint me;-)

          • blink

            Dear berhe
            Reading between the lines, what lines are these you reading? Egypt and Sudan are smoothing their relationship yet aljazeera are losing viewers by millions
            1. Just yesterday they said Eritrean Foriegn minster was in Addis , which is lies
            2.They confidentially reported there were Egyptian forces again lies
            3. They reported there were 28 people dead at the Asmara school protest, again lies
            4. Israeli and Iran thing again lies

            The thing you have to read between lines is Tewekel job in Addis at the behest of killing Ethiopian police in front of his eyes.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink,

            sure, yikunelka.. I guess we have to believe Yemane Gebremeskel.

            How about Eritrean ambassador, Araya Desta taking part. If’s a mistake then, just say so..

            what the hell is the difference…even the president could have participated if he wanted to..

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            I am just trying to tell you what is between the lines , that is all. I don’t believe Issaias or the FM can make a difference for the Eritrean people nor do they have to be in the news item you try to connect and disconnect with MS. Let’s see things as a mirror thing.

    • Kibrom

      Dear MS,

      1) Zienab Beshir was asking the hawk because, there were no Satellite at that time, and she had to gather her information on what was happening in gnbar halhal, nakfa and semenawi sahil via the hawks, who got the advantage of moving around, and looking at events from the birds eye view; but today in 21st century? the song is Green Bank Telescope dib Orbit hleka report wde Image leglu reieka.
      If we had a free media (the fourth pillar), we would not shout time and again ‘who told you, where is your evidence’ because we would have been informed every state affair as the right to free information is enshrined in our constitution.
      Article 1.4 The government of Eritrea shall be established through democratic procedures to represent people’s sovereignty and shall have strong institutions, accommodating popular participation and serving as foundation of a viable democratic political order.
      Article 19.3 Every citizen shall have the right of access to information.
      2) The GERED construction has become fait accompli, whether they like it or not, the Nile case would be solved by experts and legal bodies that would base their recommendations on an independent and impartial evaluation. In its 2016 meeting to look at a win win agreement on the water resources modelling study and hydropower simulation assessment studies.
      3) i believe Sudan would be the greatest beneficial from this new Nile water order, with oil in the doldrums, GERD allows Sudan to fulfil its promise of being the breadbasket of the Middle East. Sudan can use the dam for its irrigation and agro-industrial investments. Moreover, Sudan, which is suffering severe electricity shortages, can benefit greatly from the new 6000-megawatt hydroelectric output at a very reasonable price from Ethiopia. What is worrisome is Eritrea could be the loser when (it is not if) when the waring part settle their Nile issue legally and diplomatically by experts and political leadership on the negotiation table.
      4) C130 or not, that is up to everyones choice to make its taking. Let me take the event one step ahead. Ethiopia and Sudan have shown all the military manoeuvres including the deployment of Ethiopian forces in Merowi air force, the surface to air missile deployment in areas of Shendi etc. it is not haram for Eritrea and halal for other countries to make allies, and work for the best interest of the country.
      5) Sudanese decision to close the border is more to do with illegal trade, obviously came as a ‘punishment’ for PIA’s stance in coordinating and facilitating the Eastern Sudan Opposition with the Egyptian intelligence.
      6) Yes, Egypt is still considered as one of the mighty countries in North Africa. Recently Egypt bought all kinds of Mistral ships from France and two U -209 submarines from Germany. However, Egypt also knows that it is no more the uncontested regional power hegemony, Unlike its hey days during President Gamal Abdulnasser, an iconic figure considered by the average Arab citizen as undisputed leader of the Arab world, particularly for his role in creating the Pan Arab unity, today’s Abdulfatah Sisi’s weak Egypt found the gates closed as its lobbyists and diplomats tried to shuttle from New York to Brussels, Addis Ababa to stop the GERED Dam.
      …. et le donner et prendre des idées continuent

      P.S people depend on lip reading if they are not able to hear, we are depending on lip reading because we were forced to be hard hearing by the government, remember that what we do not have in Eritrea is not only freedom of speech but also freedom of hearing.

    • Kibrom

      Dear Awate

      I am having some difficulties to post my comments am I missing any guidelines?.

      Dear MS,

      1) Zienab Beshir was asking the hawk because, there were no Satellite at that time, and she had to gather her information on what was happening in gnbar halhal, nakfa and semenawi sahil via the hawks, who got the advantage of moving around, and looking at events from the birds eye view; but today in 21st century? the song is Green Bank Telescope dib Orbit hleka report wde Image leglu reieka.
      If we had a free media (the fourth pillar), we would not shout time and again ‘who told you, where is your evidence’ because we would have been informed every state affair as the right to free information is enshrined in our constitution.
      Article 1.4 The government of Eritrea shall be established through democratic procedures to represent people’s sovereignty and shall have strong institutions, accommodating popular participation and serving as foundation of a viable democratic political order.
      Article 19.3 Every citizen shall have the right of access to information.
      2) The GERED construction has become fait accompli, whether they like it or not, the Nile case would be solved by experts and legal bodies that would base their recommendations on an independent and impartial evaluation. In its 2016 meeting to look at a win win agreement on the water resources modelling study and hydropower simulation assessment studies.
      3) i believe Sudan would be the greatest beneficial from this new Nile water order, with oil in the doldrums, GERD allows Sudan to fulfil its promise of being the breadbasket of the Middle East. Sudan can use the dam for its irrigation and agro-industrial investments. Moreover, Sudan, which is suffering severe electricity shortages, can benefit greatly from the new 6000-megawatt hydroelectric output at a very reasonable price from Ethiopia. What is worrisome is Eritrea could be the loser when (it is not if) when the waring part settle their Nile issue legally and diplomatically by experts and political leadership on the negotiation table.
      4) C130 or not, that is up to everyones choice to make its taking. Let me take the event one step ahead. Ethiopia and Sudan have shown all the military manoeuvres including the deployment of Ethiopian forces in Merowi air force, the surface to air missile deployment in areas of Shendi etc. it is not haram for Eritrea and halal for other countries to make allies, and work for the best interest of the country.
      5) Sudanese decision to close the border is more to do with illegal trade, obviously came as a ‘punishment’ for PIA’s stance in coordinating and facilitating the Eastern Sudan Opposition with the Egyptian intelligence.
      6) Yes, Egypt is still considered as one of the mighty countries in North Africa. Recently Egypt bought all kinds of Mistral ships from France and two U -209 submarines from Germany. However, Egypt also knows that it is no more the uncontested regional power hegemony, Unlike its hey days during President Gamal Abdulnasser, an iconic figure considered by the average Arab citizen as undisputed leader of the Arab world, particularly for his role in creating the Pan Arab unity, today’s Abdulfatah Sisi’s weak Egypt found the gates closed as its lobbyists and diplomats tried to shuttle from New York to Brussels, Addis Ababa to stop the GERED Dam.
      …. et le donner et prendre des idées continuent

      P.S people depend on lip reading if they are not able to hear, we are depending on lip reading because we were forced to be hard hearing by the government, remember that what we do not have in Eritrea is not only freedom of speech but also freedom of hearing.

      • MS

        Selam Kibrom
        I do thank you for your reply although I think you went out of your way in many areas of your long reply. I would not like to welcome you with my “Hobaay sema” Hateta. I’m not that Xefaar, I welcome people with open arms. I have followed you for the past weeks. I read your comments under the old nick (Kbrom), 70 of them. I also read your duplicate two comments under the new nick (Kibrom) starting 1/28/18. You started with comments that had “shock and awe” effect. However, when folks who care about facts started questioning you, you would quickly deviate from the gist of the matter to immaterial arguments, just the way you have done now. I do believe you are knowledgeable and that I could get a lot from you. I mean it. However, here is the paradox, dear Kibrom. We want to get information, but we also want to make sure that the information we get is credible. I believe you understand what I mean. Therefore, facts are subjects to scrutiny. Topics such as regional alliance, GERD and what have you tolerate some degree of personal perspective. Someone may support Egyptian encroachment in the region; another may oppose it. There is no clear-cut separation. We may live with our disagreement. On the other hand, facts such as reporting the landing of C130 in Sawa beg for clarification. Statistics and numbers, dates and events are facts. Your MO has so far been the same. You throw some controversial “facts,” then when subjected to verification, you take your “opponent” on extraneous issues, sometimes ridiculing them by indulging in some intellectual kuda…(read: blink V Kbrom debate).
        I believe now that amde, the chairman is back, we need to develop some type of guideline about this paradox, the need for information and the challenge we face in verifying it. Also, amde, I welcome you back, and don’t forget to send a fat check to awate.com, it has been a fundraising season. You were reported AWOL.
        Coming to your points, dear Kibrom:
        1. Nothing to say, on your take, but please remember that Sudan and Ethiopia did not report or complain about Egyptian forces landing in Sawa. So, my friend, if you own a private satellite or surveillance stations, that is great. Also remember, that there was a mysterious plane that allegedly flew from Eritrea and landed in Mogadishu. The Eritrean government’s challenge to the monitoring group was that it was absurd to claim that a cargo plane could land in Somalia evading all the radars and satellite systems ina region tightly monitored by the Americans and other countries. We have a precedent, my friend. So, if you have the image why do you keep it secret. Here is a tip: say, if you are a person who would not want to disclose his assets (your sources), you wouldn’t report the capabilities of your assets or the landing of the planes. If not, and if you know the aircrafts landed in Sawa, then share the information with us. That’s the only means separating bluffing from the real deal.
        2. Numbers 2, 3 and 5 and 6 have nothing to do with my comment but thank you for being extra generous. I do believe Ethiopia has every right to develop its natural resources subject to observing international obligations. I never called for Egyptian interference, and I oppose it, if there is any.
        3. Number 4 has been discussed in my number 1 reply.
        PS: I share your yearning for access to information concerning our country. I have been for it. But I’m not ready to wallow in chaos and confusion. I truly believe that we should not throw “facts” unless we are prepared to back them. Dear, Kibrom, Eritrea is a small country, and every one of us could have someone in the so-called know-company. Populating the forum with caveats such as “according to my source” will not help us have honest conversations. Fruitful engagements are dependent on how the involved parties trust each other. Please consider this to be a genuine call for all of us and keep gracing us with appropriate inputs. Sorry, it’s becoming too late and my eyes are betraying me.
        Regards,

        • Kibrom

          Selam MS
          Thank you for taking time to reply:

          I sensed the following typical PFDJ trends in your reply.
          1) I am the only patriotic
          2) suspecting everyone
          3) Izi guday hagerawi dhnet iyu do not discuss
          4) ጨው ዘይብሉ sarcasim

          I used your own hobay analogy to remind you that these days are different, case at point is UAE lease of Assab, when people where shouting ‘where is your evidence’ the intervention was on make for one year. Berhe Y brought it to you as an example, for incomprehensible reason you brushed it off as irrelevant.
          I changed from Kbrom to Kibrom because as you can see it I was having difficulties to post hence I tried another account. Do not suspect everyone and do not need to tell me that you scrutnised all my posts.

          Thank you

        • sara

          mahmuday- selamat
          is it true, the US Gov, said -The Internet is becoming a Threat to Democracy.

          • MS

            Ya Hala Ya Sara
            Sraay nosa wo Sraay shaEba…ask a Tigrayet Speaker for translation, you need it:)
            The only threat to democracy is our president who is unabashedly against democratic institutions, and against science, truth and logic. He is trying to ration the Internet according to your money.

      • Selamat Awate,

        Hafash wudubb TTeyaQitt weAleet
        Lomi nayy satellite inna ntiqemm..
        Don’t call me Hawkish
        The answer is Meritocracy and in the fox hole, zweAlenn zwiElann yngerr. Short of I belong to a secret organization; Hiji wnn bHade idkumm anchebchibu.

        tSAtSE

    • Selamat M.TB.S,

      Hobay sema Seni Halieka…

      The hook, as in Captain Hook to the Fisher King. H’s klte Siso Susa’s’alata has set in of for 2018 as it deebb Aya netSaEka wa Gedab Aya gebaEka? For 2018.

      And I have been hooked by your ashkurr AAleiyhu. Who? Naturally I ask my self, why not did it warrant an answer directly. I suppose, at times, a quid pro quo response isn’t necessary. When people in Eritrea burp while in the presence of another or more, it don’t get any better than “tSibuQ mless::”

      tSibu tSiba tSebHi tSibaH kokhobb ezzeyy Eineibb Zeynebb beshirr.

      Hobay sema Seni Halieka…

      Abshir klte Siso Susa’s’alata HaileS Qe Qe Qe QetSil… QetSali.

      tSE tSU tSi tSA tSie tSe’ tSo

      tSAtSE

  • josef

    Hello all,
    I don’t know about the framing of the story and if the president said something with regards $$$ and it is recorded put into story. I wouldn’t be surprised that he would say that… he is a just a walking carcass after all…

    If the pilot doesn’t want to do his or job fire them.

    These are economic immigrants coming from country which they will never return to. The refugee’s in Sudan which is right next door to Eritrea haven’t returned since
    http://awate.com/eritrean-refugees-in-sudan-50-years-and-counting/

    The ones in israel are not even real refugees and lets assume they are.. refugee means you find refugee and return to your home country… Eritrean have no history of doing… So technically by allowing these folks to stay in Israel what Israel is saying or allowing is not Refugee or immigrants but settlers. It makes sense for Israeli government and people to send them back and I don’t think they should have any guilty feeling about this…

    I applaud the action of the Israeli government and I am not sure if it is intelligent on the part of Rwanda and Uganda to be accepting these folks… If I was leader in those countries- I wouldn’t accept them either. I understand if this before eritrean independence…but what this is after 20+ years of independence.. we have normalized being “refugee”… and world is slowly waking up that reality…

    • Nitricc

      Hi Josef: mark my word those refugee will ended up not in Rwanda, not in Angola, not anywhere but Ethiopia. The Ethiopian government is broke and they will take the refugee just to get the money. And the sad chapter of those people will be the end of that.

      • josef

        Hi Nitricc, I don’t know if Ethiopian government is broke..but even if they are that doesn’t mean.. they would accept economic immigrants… at least if they are in ethiopia they can return home next door.. let’s move away from using language like refugee… the Syrians are refugee… these are economic immigrants… I have a lot of respect for Israel for doing what they are doing and if the European and other countries follow that would be great…

        • Mez

          Hi Josef,

          Economic or none, inherently, they are our own compatriots, and shall wish them all the best. If your narration holds true and peoples are pushed back home, then the next social revolution in Eritrea will be soon in sight; no more relieve-valve am i correct?

          Thanks,

          • Josef Says

            Mez,
            It is not even about relief-valve.. what happens to these people and suffering and trauma.. change will happen most of dinosaurs are dying.. change will occur when people get a taste of something better or change..
            I went on trip to ethiopia a couple of years ago.. one thing I noticed that is changing there..
            In modern history the Habasha people mentality when it came to problems and life challenges had two pillars:
            1. That God- God will do this or that… God.. Miriam…
            2. The Government will do this… or that…
            But I noticed something different in Ethiopia recently.. people are beginning to believe they can do things for themselves..
            This is kind of thinking is what allowed northern europe like Britain to conqueror the world..

          • Josef,

            How long have you been in Egypt? Since George Clooney and Oceans Eleven sold you for food? With out God you can not do anything.
            Mariam DaEro, God’s Mother.

            tSAtSE

        • Nitricc

          Hi Josef, I agree with you.” economic immigrants” is more clarifying word. I stand corrected.

      • bmi1

        The Eritrean government is super rich to accommodate Eritrean refugees back home.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Nitricc,
        .
        Forget the money the Ethiopian Gov. needs, who doesn’t . What do you think the refugees boarding the planes wish as destination from the choices of the least desirable places. The only place they don’t want to go to for sure is Eritrea. Among the African countries you listed, I will venture to say on balance the refugees will prefer Ethiopia than Angola.
        .
        Mind you, I am saying things like this sitting 1000s miles away like you do. I have read some of your outrageous detached bravado statements about individuals having “the ability to say no” and giving “permission” to be mistreated.
        Many years ago, during the Mediterranean disaster when everyone was shocked and overwhelmed in grief, you appeared to be blaming the victims. At that time, I begged you to stop posting, in the name of your siblings. I was afraid those who were searching news of their relatives might read your harsh comments.
        .
        I think, you should have a little empathy for people. You were somewhat dismissive of the African American slavery historical facts, you forgot there were generations of African Americans who………knew nothing but slavery.
        .
        This obsession you have about each individual having the ability to say “No” or giving “permission” to be mistreated need to be set aside, unless you are advocating something else.
        That sort of lingo comes from Psychologists who are treating addicts of all sorts. Maybe you should read the book about the biblical JOB for context and balance.
        .
        I can tell you with certainty that all Awatistas( including you) and beyond here in the west, provided with the wrong set of breaks and circumstances could easily fit in the pictures of victims that are posted.
        .
        Mr. K.H
        .

        • Nitricc

          Hi Kim; on your post you make to points clearer than they appear to mean. The definition of the African mentality and president Trump’s sh!t-hole comments about Africans. Africans are known for deflecting responsibilities, blaming others and playing victim mentality. And I observed all on your article. First of all the economic migrant can’t go to Asmara because according to the policy of the country they are defectors and in the eye of the government they are traitors, so of course they can’t go to Asmara, they wish. Although I doubt they will choose Ethiopia over other African country. What is in Ethiopia? Only dead and lifeless people will opt to go to Ethiopia. The reason the Ethiopian government wanted the Eritreans as a refugee is simply financial.
          I don’t know why you bring the old story but again let to me tell you this thing called responsibility, which you have clue for, everyone is responsible for their actions. I know you don’t get it. They gambled and they lost. Obviously you don’t see anything worth fighting and you are welling to be
          repress and be dehumanize speaks your cowardice and weakness. Full grown men, at that young, chaining themselves just to gain some people’s attention in some once country just to make a point is the worst death in its self! Is there any worst definition of death? Oh of course you won’t get it, it is an African mentality syndrome. It is not their fault, some body is to blame. If a country like Israel doesn’t want you, leave, you shouldn’t be in the first place. They are already
          dead what the point you are trying to make is pusillanimity. And next time please avoid this toothless words like “(including you)” what do you know about me? You can’t just include me with bunch of losers. In my book, you fight for what is yours or you die, there is no in the middle. I ask you what is life?

          • Josef Says

            Nitricc
            keep telling it like it is..
            “Chainign themselves just to gain some people’s attention”..
            I like that.. you know when I was growing up I always wanted to do things for myself. I have to give credit that eritrean ethos of “self-reliance”.. stuck with me.. It sound like political talk.. but It is strange- I refused for anyone to do anything for me.. even when I was solving some difficult engineering problem…I always said to myself I can do.. and give 100%… any difficult task… it was one of those Eritrean cultural values.. of course I would brainstorm with others and get input but I believed I had to do myself.. It helped me push myself to achieve..
            That Eritrean ethos of self-reliance has disappeared because when I see those guys in the picture.. chaining themselves like slave and the only thing they are seeking is pity.. Pity!
            When did Pity-seeking become an Eritrean value… it is all this “refugee hustling” business..

            Sad… we fought 30 years to throw off the chains and we are around world capital putting chains on yourselves for pity..

          • Selamat Josef,

            Is the expression
            A) “Point a finger?”
            B) “Push my finger?”
            C) “Pull my finger?”
            D) “I need a manicure?”
            E) “ShewATe ‘ntayy Adey Itayy”
            F) “Hexadecimal zbehal insisa alo ilomm”

            Abeyy ab Qerni’friQa.

            AI AI Aitbleninn belett FelaTTit Felasit adeyy Itayy.

            G) All of the above.

            tSAtSE

          • Nitricc

            Hi Josef: I agree with you. Every country has its weakest link when it comes to its population. But this is deferent and absurd at that. If Africa has to break out of this current dysfunctionality, nothing will work but self-reliance. Yet, people are too lazy to work and pay the price. Instead, people wanted out of country. The sand part is that all the young people who are out of their country their life are
            ruined. No education, no skills no work ethic no discipline just lost. It is a matter time before they become too old to work or to become productive member of society. All they want is to avoid work receive handout and maintain the refugee status. This is their goal and they are lost for good. It is funny how people keep saying slavery when the young serves their country at SAWA, yet, they go somewhere chain themselves to portrait the real slavery.

        • blink

          Dear Kim
          very hard to see the opposite side of your story. Here is the situation about TPLA land .

          8.5 million people in need of humanitarian and protection services

          5.4 million children are in need of humanitarian assistance

          10.5 million people in need of water, sanitation and hygiene services

          3.6 million children under-5 projected to be malnourished

          1.3 Million+ people displaced due to drought and conflict in 2017

          1.9 Million children require education support

          • Nitricc

            Hi Blink: What is even intriguing reading Kim’s post is that he never uttered a word when his people, his young people are massacred every day in their house, in their land and in their country. Yet, he found morality to speak up about Eritreans who decided to leave their country, on their own goodwill, on their own choice to countries they are not welcomed to and some died and some made. Even the once who made it, they are chaining themselves in public. You will think there should be more sympathy and outraged should have been to the Ethiopians who are massacred everyday but NO! It must be about defectors and economic immigrants. Mr. Kim needs to look himself in the mirror.
            You are responsible for what you do!!!!!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam blink,
            .
            Sorry for the delay in my response.
            Ethiopia has many deep rooted problems. It is still in the woods. That is primarily the reason I keep my fingers crossed and with the information I have support the material changes and growth as we march forward. That is where I am.
            .
            Now, if the figures you mentioned are correct, I feel bad and I blame the Governments of the past and the present, with emphasis on the present.
            .
            What I will not utter or say is the demented, “let them eat cake” kind of following statements.
            .
            The suffering people gave permission for their mistreatment. OR
            The suffering people made unwise decision.
            That is all.
            .
            Mr. K.H

      • Hey Nitric,

        I will take States for Four racks Alex.
        The Show me state:
        Who is Tom Cruz?
        Wrong category. Show me The Money.

        Maybe Shisishini Benni Hana Mr. Not ill, Mr. KimH, bekbrom kbretu without consulting a psychologist quadruple on DoubleJ-pardona me Missou. What? Je ne pa francaise.
        The Garden State. Show Molokhia.

        RAWANDA. Yeah, right category.

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        tSAtSE

      • Hope

        Gen Nittric:
        R U the same Josef?
        Just curious!

        • Nitricc

          Hi Hope; No man. I am just me, Nitricc. I have never used different name ever and I won’t so you know. I am here and once in a while in TN with same name. But why do you think I was Josef though? I don’t even see similarity between Josef and me. Anyway, rest assured, there is one and only Nitricc. If I need to use different name then you and the rest of the forum will be inform.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Josef Says

      Have you considered that the Israeli government is a collection of people who settled in the area now called Israel just in the last 70 years? This is a fact and the only advantage they have over the people you are calling economic immigrants is that they have settled before them just over fifty years ago. Who is kicking out who? I know and you know who the real owners of the land are and they are languishing either beyond the wall or in neighbouring refugee camps.

      • Josef Says

        Hello Amanuel,
        I am familiar with Israel history and I admire what they have achieved unfortunately the Palestinian had to suffer.
        If you think the “only advantage they have over”… I don’t think.. it is worth comparing modern israel to modern eritrea… or their people..
        It is like an overweight old man who runs a marathon for first time telling you that the reason he didn’t win race is because the elite runners like gebrselassie and tadese start in the front line and he started in middle..
        The same discipline and determination.. runners like Taddese put trying to be world champion the Israeli culture emphasis for intellectual or cognitive abilities..
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries

        • Nitricc

          Hi Josef: What is Israel with out the USA? think about that before you give them the preps.

          • Josef Says

            Nitricc,
            That is useless exercise.. Israel has support of America.. that is reality what is use of me trying to imagine if that was not the case…
            Also it has support of America because the Hebrew-american folks in america have a strong participation in American society.. they understand how american society functions, they are highly educated(not driving cabs or working parking lots), organized, etc.. It took them one or two generation to get there…

            You also got countries like Saudi Arabia with a lot of wealth and access to education… do you see them winning cognitive marathons…. do you see them doing startups or inventing anything?
            In even in America with all its access to education.. there section of this country where the people are semi-illiterate…

            You know if you can stand on the side of line of marathon and watch others and criticize runners… but one thing I have learned is that if you are participating in the race and running to get good time… you just not thinking about anyone else..
            The only reason I would talk about other runners(countries) is study them and see what they are doing right or wrong.. how and what lesson learned.. otherwise it just gossip and noise..

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Josef,

            First I want to welcome you. I have been reading some of what you wrote and from what I gather, you are saying that:

            1) Eritreans do not take advantage of the opportunity they got in America and other places to improve themselves instead of driving cabs or working parking lots.
            2) Eritreans instead of becoming refugees and run from the country in droves, they should stay in their countries and change things around
            3) Eritrean got their independence and with independence comes responsibility and they should be responsible for what ever state their country is in..
            4) Eritreans instead of complaining and for the lack of help from others..they should try to help themselves etc. …

            I think a little humility and some perspective is important. It’s easy to criticize people from the comfort of your home (and the sacrifice I am sure your parents made for you to have what you have) but it’s another thing to actually live in that situation and experience it for your self.

            We all know and I a don’t think you disagree that, we have one of the most brutal regime the Eritrean people have ever seen currently running our country. He is one of us, he knows our culture, he knows our history, he knows our strength and he knows out weakness, he knows our secrets, he knows our make up, he knows our fears,…..

            This person he desires, he would have led our country to prosperity and peaceful existence, but for reason only known to himself, he decided to decimate our country, our people and our hope. His methods are so sophisticated that it’s really hard for an average person to decipher and see what is being happening. He made most people believe that, the problems in our country instead of being our own making, he made a lot of people (even a lot of smart people) that the world is conspiring against us and he does what he does to protect us.

            Now hold on, he is not the first person who was able to manipulate the people and cause so much destruction. There are a lot of other leaders who did exactly that. For example, Hitler and German, Moa and China, Stalin and Russia, Pot Pot and Cambodia, Kim and North Korea, Idi Amin and Uganda, Mengistu and Ethiopia etc…etc..

            Now are you saying that all these countries before us who went through hell because of their leaders are weak and they couldn’t do anything about it.

            What I am trying to say is, the leader and the party that’s currently ruling our country have a significant influence how the country is run and how the physic of the people.

            We can also look at history of many countries who were blessed with good leaders like, Singapore, Rwanda (even under Paul Kagame), Chile, Botswana, India and many others where their fortunes changed because of the commitment and strong desire to lead their respective countries out of poverty and backwardness and lead them to prosperity and peaceful lives.

            As to how Eritreans in diaspora are doing, I think, considering the circumstances, we are doing ok. And if we do those dead end job because they provide the immediate financial needs that we need to support our families here and abroad as well. To go to school requires that one needs to forget about helping anyone and focus on your school and studies…which is not an easy thing to do for a lot of young people who spend / waste years of their productive lives serving the regime and they know the misery their loves one are in and want to quickly establish and help themselves.

            As to the Jewish being educated and all…education become a means for them to get out of the discrimination imposed on them by the countries they lived (Germany) but they were always focused on trade, business etc…anyway, the first generation of immigrants no matter where they come from, Italy, Greece, Jews, Koreans, Chinese, Indians, didn’t have the luxury in going to universities but instead they did odd jobs and they were able to provide to their children the means to send them to school…it’s always the case…and I can tell you there are a lot of Eritreans who have done that and they are doing it.

            Berhe

          • Josef Says

            Hello Berhe,
            I agree with most your comments or view.
            However, for some strange reason hate him or love him.. we have transformed Issias into super-natural being….
            I ask myself what is reason for this fixation? Why do people do that?
            It is funny because with all these dictators everything gets attributed them.. like Saleh in Yemen or Saddam or Mugabe.. he is the most dangerous and my smartest… next thing you know someone drops a couple bombs from drone and no one remembers him..
            Why we don’t have an effective Eritrean-american organization and community service around the country- is probably getting blamed on Issias..
            All these Eritrean involved in “refugee hustling” that is probably blamed on him..
            What about the opposition who thru online and international compaign have broadcasting images and story of north korea of africa, slavery, etc..
            Those are tools and information that help economic immigrant claim asylum…
            Issias is not a smart man or great strategist… amoral and ignorant…
            If you read any work from Dan Connoll and G11.. they paint an accurate picture of him as amoral person and not really effective.

            Some of most successful or effective decisions made by EPLF were either made collectively or without him..

            If he was so smart and intelligent.. he came to country as savior.. he could have made simple adjustment like Kagame… or look at Meles.. he went to country that was mistrustful of him with strong amharic elite opposition… and he died as hero to that country..

            He didn’t fool the Eritrean people.. Eritrean people were so happy to be free that they didn’t ask any questions about him.. And Eritrean were never educated in terms of their roles as citizen.. it is not follow but question.

            Anyway- these kind of thing happened in a lot african countries.. it is not unique to Eritrean…

          • Thomas

            Hi Josef,

            There is a kids movie called Angry Bird. These bunch of birds have their own country/planet where they live so happily and were celebrating by kicking the dancing etc. However, there was this bird who was always angry and wondered (also so annoyed) to what motivated those happy birds to all ways be happy and into the mood of dancing… The angry bird turned to out to be the savior of all the other birds from their enemy. The enemy was the kind of pigs and its followers, the other pigs. We, the Eritrean, people were the happy birds (happy to see our enemies wiped out of our country), but failed to see some of the monsters (among the saviors/liberators) who came to us saviors:)

        • Amanuel

          Hi Josef Says
          I could agree more with Nitricc’s comment below. Imagine that an Eritrean girl with name of Jerusalem to be escorted from Israel by an officer with Yankee accent because simply she not Jewish is wrong.

          • Josef Says

            Hello Amanuel,
            Ok. She has name Jerusalem or Yerusalem.. and born in Asmara… and here people fought 30 years to get their independence.. She is economic immigrant? A representative of the Israeli state is escorting here out.. ok. what is wrong with that?

            Would it make any difference if it was Libyan or Sudanese person or An Ethiopian named Berhane? Or Greek person name Tedros.. or Italian name Paulo…

            What is your point?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Josef,

            One more thing:

            You keep repeating this “economic immigrant”. For the smart and well educated person that you are, you are simply ignorant.

            Look at the Geneva convention and see the case of Eritreans is not one of them. If they were economic refugees, Israel will not have qualms deporting them (and it will be justified to do) to their country of origin but they have to get that approval from the UNHCR.

            Does the report of the special rapporteur and the commission of inquiries on Eritrea means anything to you. May be you need to educate yourself first.

            Berhe

          • Josef Says

            Mr. Berhe,
            If you are refugee and you are given a chance to get refugee in an Affrican country- why are you dying and getting raped to make it to israel or europe or america..
            I know familyies right here in the united states- have wasted up 25K to get relative thru so many countries to make it thru the mexican border to america…
            The reality Eritrean can’t make distinction between a refugee or economic immigrants?
            The reason is very simple.. we haven’t had a civil society and we have “normalized” immigration by any means…

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Josef,

            There is any African country that provide you a means to make a living. There are thousands of Eritreans in Sudan and Ethiopia who decided to live there as a final destination.

            But those young people, they have ambitions, they have dreams and they have aspirations, that one day they will make someone out of themselves. This is not new to Eritreans but to many immigrants.

            It’s known that if their country of origin provides them with peace, security and opportunity they would stay where they are born. But if they leave, they will go where ever that gives them the ppportunity they are looking.

            The question is, is the economic situation that forced them to leave or is it the hopelessness in their own country.

            Berhe

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Josef,

            There is any African country that provide you a means to make a living. There are thousands of Eritreans in Sudan and Ethiopia who decided to live there as a final destination.

            But those young people, they have ambitions, they have dreams and they have aspirations, that one day they will make someone out of themselves. This is not new to Eritreans but to many immigrants.

            It’s known that if their country of origin provides them with peace, security and opportunity they would stay where they are born. But if they leave, they will go where ever that gives them the ppportunity they are looking.

            The question is, is the economic situation that forced them to leave or is it the hopelessness in their own country.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel

            Hi Josef Says

            I am saying that if she was Jewish she wouldn’t have faced deportation. She would have allowed to stay regardless where she came from Just like the official with the yankee accent escorting her. I think this is discrimination and crime.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            You know the comedian Tiffany Haddish and how she has become popular recently. Anyway when you look at her bio, and when they describe her back ground, her father as “a refugee from Eritrea and he is an Eritrean Jewish family”. And it’s almost repeated again and again everywhere you look…

            Specially when you look at the people she was hanging out with (her relatives on the video), they are typical Eritrean people.

            I am not trying to rule out any possibility, but it seems very far fetched story.

            Berhe

          • Josef Says

            Berhe,
            Who cares? I don’t know what her religion or father religion is?
            I don’t know the relevance… It is America and if people want to believe in the green-salad God that is cool.. You sound like investigator with nothing better to do.. it is sounds like useless gossip me..

            “A famous person once said too much curiosity or obsession with private life of other people is a sure sign of lack of meaning on own”

          • Amanuel

            Hi Berhe Y
            Yes I have asked my self the same question when I heard it but you never know.

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            I have no idea about her mother but her father is no jew that is 100% certain sir, eve in some videos of her family in Eritrea you can see a picture of Merry hunging on the wall , there can not be a jew that hungs merry picture on the wall as most Eritrean christians do. It is just some writers tend to make staff that has nothing to do with the orginal news.Jews family what a surprise is that.

          • Josef Says

            Hello Amanuel,
            It is very simple.. it is your nationality.. if she is an israeli and state of Israel recognize her
            an Israeli that is all that matters..
            Well- She is not Jewish and she is not facing discrimination just an intelligent government fighting for its people interests.. by deporting or removing economic immigrants.
            What she is doing in there? Is Israel and Europe, the only place in the world to find refuge? There are 50+ African countries… Is it Refuge they are seeking? Or are they looking for better economic opportunities?
            I believe the conduct of Israeli government is rational and intelligent and in the best interest of Israel and its people… it is cold and harsh if you are economic immigrant… but it still countries have to do things best interest of their people..

          • Amanuel

            Hi Josef Says
            It is well known fact that Israel is in need of Immigrants but only Jewish immigrant. Don’t you find this discriminatory and only Israel can get away with this because the American protection.

    • Thomas

      Hi Josef,

      I see you making bold statements and I know it is easy to come with wield claims. You started your claim by disputing the Eritreans in Israel are NOT refuges but economic immigrants. The Eritreans in Israel consider themselves as refuges and that is to say their country of origin is unsafe if they are to return. Are you in a position to dispute the claims of 35K Eritreans?

      • Josef Says

        Thomas,
        I am not lawyer but find me one “economic immigrant” who is not going to tell you that it is not safe for them to return their home country in order to stay new place. Are these people not safe in Sudan, Rwanda, Uganda, etc..
        They have designated the african continent unsafe… or is it “no economic opportunity zone”…

        I have met some these eritrean in rwanda and uganda- their main concern is not safety it is how to reach america or europe…

        Again- I applaud the Israeli for their rational and intelligent decision… Eritrean will start learning the difference between refugee and economic immigrant… and once they do this they can look at their situation a little more intelligently address their main issue.. a stagnant country with stagnant leadership..

        Independence and Freedom comes with responsibility. We got freedom and now we need start acting like mature adults in the international community and stop chaining ourselves for pity… and crying to world about not been safe at home or any other african… Begging the rest of the world to take care of us or own…

        You know when the culture or mentality of “immigration by any means” ends is when we will start standing on own two feet like citizen of world, stop begging the rest of world to take care of us, living off the social programs of other countries, etc and that is when change will happen so we don’t leave our country… and we can finally build it society worthy of future with 5year, 10 years, 15 year planning.. no always in state of emergency..

        “Refugee hustling” part of the problem and not solution.. .

        • Nitricc

          Hi Josef; it gets worst for the Africans in Israel. Now the prime minster is calling them
          ” The asylum seekers, mainly from Sudan and Eritrea, entered Israel through Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula in the early and mid-2000s. The Israeli government says the African migrants are “infiltrators” and not genuine refugees. “The infiltrators will have the option to be imprisoned or leave the country,” Israel’s Public Security Ministry said in a statement.” Now they are ” infiltrators” lol

          • Hey Nitric,

            Hence, EA and El Al. Mergers and acquisitions. ArbiHo

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