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Awate.com’s Saleh Johar interviews Meles Zenawi (2008)

The following was first published in May 26, 2008. It’s the first ever interview with the late PM Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia by an Eritreans entity since 1997.  The file was lost around 2012 due to some server mishap. Thereafter, several people have asked us about it but we couldn’t find it until recently. This republishing is dedicated to the “PFDJ’s ambassador” at the UN because we traced the original through her extensive social media entries about the interview.
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Introduction to the Interview

awate.com has often emphasized the importance of dialogue–that if Eritreans and Ethiopians are to overcome decades of war, suspicion and mistrust and live as good neighbors, efforts must be made by  intellectuals, journalists, community leaders, elders and religious leaders to embark on a people-to-people dialogue.  The wall of separation that is built by self-serving regimes must be demolished.  Unless the taboos of who-goes-where-and-meets-with-whom are permanently uprooted, we as a people will be victims to those who thrive in environments of misunderstanding and miscommunication and those who have designated themselves the role of brokers through whom we have to go to even talk to our neighbors.  In this vein, awate.com has co-sponsored initiatives and outreaches to break down this psychologicial barrier. This interview is a continuation of such efforts.

Prime Minister Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia was interviewed by Saleh Johar of awate.com. The interview was conducted in English (tape recorded) at the PM’s office in Addis Ababa on May 12, 2008 and transcribed for publication on May 23, 2008. It is composed of four topics: 1) Ethiopia; 2) Ethio-Arab relations; 3) Sudan-Eritrea-Ethiopia and 4) Eritrea.

ETHIOPIA

1- After seventeen years of experience with ethnic federalism, in 2005 you had a crisis following the elections; and now you have an armed opposition. You came to power through an armed struggle: how do you explain the armed struggle that your government is facing?

My own feeling is that the … while we have put the federal system in place to replace the imperial system that was present under both the emperor and Mengistu, in my view, was the only way foreword and a very bold experiment. Dismantling an imperial system and putting in its place a functioning federal system is a process. And like all processes, it is bound to face bumps along the road.

2005 was the process of putting in place a federal system…it has to be buttressed by strong institutions of federalism and a good stand to defend the institutions. It has to be buttressed by a working economy–that took time. It is to be buttressed by an evolving culture of tolerance and understanding. So, I am not unduly worried that this is still work-in-progress. All that matters to me is that we are making progress. And I believe we are making progress.

It is true that we have armed opposition groups in this country. It is very unfortunate that there is still basis for such expression for dissent. I believe that over the past 17 years we have created space for peaceful dissent. Much of the imposition [opposition?] in 2005 was in fact composed of remnants of the Mengistu regime who wanted to undo the process of reform of government institutions over the 17 years. So long as they express their opinions in a peaceful and legal manner, that was perfectly legitimate. So, I think we have enough space for people to forgo option of understanding, but the regional circumstance, underdevelopment, poverty and backwardness  in the country is such that there must be some space, some basis for some sort of armed opposition. The good thing is because it doesn’t have mass followers or mass back up, so far it has not been other than a civil difficulty in the region.

2- There are some nasty reports coming out of the Ogaden region. The region, it is said, enjoys all the rights enshrined in your constitution up to the right to secession. Did the ethnic federalism fail there or is it because of some external agitation as reported…what is going on there?

Well, there is a snag in the process there.  People from the region there are amongst the most vocal in protecting… in defending the rights of nationalities of Ethiopia, the right of secession included, when the constitution of Ethiopia was being approved; there were heated debates over there… and people from the Somali region were very active in supporting that right. And I don’t believe the previous irredentist agenda of Somalia has any action at this stage.

But the region is still among the most backward in the country. It has not benefited adequately from the progress that we have made in terms of economic development. This is not because the federal government does not want that region to benefit from the growth that is taking place in the country. It is because as a result of federalism, much of the work has to be done by the state, the federal state, itself. And the dysfunctional element that we see in Somalia has its reflection in our Somali region. The clannish alliances; the misuse of resources based on clan alliances and so on. That has very significantly retarded the growth of the region in terms of good governance and in terms of economic development. Therefore, there is room for resentment in that particular region. That is part of the problem.

The other part of the problem is that it borders with Somalia and it has many cultural links in Somalia and, so, it is inevitably going to be influenced by developments in Somalia. It has not been possible for us to completely quarantine the Somali region of Ethiopia from what is happening in Somalia.

And then, of course, there is the interest in the part of some of our neighbors, particularly the president of Eritrea, in trying to destabilize Ethiopia. It is a combination of these regional and local factors. At one stage, it caused a serious security threat. We have tried and removed this security threat. For us to stop the process of degeneration there, and I believe we have, more or less, we have successfully done so.

I understand there have been horrendous, reports of horrendous, human rights abuse, villages burned and all the rest. I can tell you that in an environment of conflict  that it would not be possible for me to say that there were no violations of human rights, there were no, so-called, collateral damages. But I can tell you adamantly there was no systematic violation of human rights.

We, our movement, knows how it feels. Our movement knows how insurgent movements succeed. Violation of human rights in an environment of counter-insurgency is the sure way of handing victory to the other side. We know that. And it will be stupid for us to engage in activities that would absolutely result in our defeat. So, there was no systematic violation of human rights. But in an environment of conflict, I cannot be 100% sure that there was not a single civilian killed.  I am 100 % sure there was not any village burned; but I am not sure that one hut here, one hut here has been burned, or no such thing has happened. So all I can say is no systematic violation of human rights but it is possible [there was] collateral damage of some sort.

3- I would like to hear your views about what happened in Kenya recently. After fifty years of democracy, relatively speaking, the last election in Kenya caused a crisis in which so many lives and properties were lost. Are you afraid that something like that would happen here, or why do you think something erupted out of nothing in Kenya?

I don’t think something erupted out of nothing in Kenya. Some people define democracy as a process. Behind the process is selection of leaders by people and free competition of parties and so on and so forth. There are a number of pillars that need to be put in place: institutions of democratic governance, including judiciary; proper civil service institutions; cultural tolerance, and an economy that functions–and that functions properly. Now, in many African countries, the state is the biggest business. If someone wants to become rich, the shortest path is to become a minister. And therefore, politics becomes a zero sum game.

Democratic politics is not designed to manage zero sum games. In some instances, it is being asked to manage zero sum games. This is a contradiction in terms. What we in Ethiopia hope to do–have started to do–is to separate wealth-creation from management of the process of politics and try to create a vibrant private sector, opportunities for business advancement. So that those who want to accumulate wealth, do not go through the indirect way of accumulating political power first. Until we have done that, we will not have a stable democracy anywhere in the continent, and we are unlikely to have stable democracies in a decade or two. It took many democratic states in the West centuries, but it doesn’t have to take us centuries. But we have to put the infrastructure in place. We have to build institutions and we have to redesign our economies in such a way that they can be–economics can be separated from politics; and politics can become something other than zero sum game.

4- There are some leaders in Africa, Mugabe and Isaias for example, who believe that western module of democracy doesn’t work in Africa. How do you see that in relation to what happened in Kenya? I have heard people say that those two leaders are right, democracy doesn’t work in our region. What are your views on that?

I am not sure whether Mugabe theoretically argues that quote unquote western democracy does not work in Africa. There may be criticisms as to how he practices it. But I am not sure whether he theoretically argues that democracy should not or does not work in Africa.  I know Isaias does so.

Now it is not a question of importing foreign ideologies, as it were. For me in Ethiopia, I look at what other possible ways out there are for us in terms of governance here in Ethiopia.

And I start with the fact that Ethiopia is an extremely diverse society. I start with the fact that previous regimes in Ethiopia have tried to resolve the issue of diversity through homogenization, attempted homogenization, assimilation. I start from the fact that they have completely failed. I start from the fact that the best way of accommodating diversity is democracy. Therefore, in the case of Ethiopia in particular, democracy is not a question of choice; it is a question of survival. Either we accommodate diversity by peaceful means or we implode.

So the question is not whether democracy is advisable for us or not. I think it is a forgone conclusion: we have no other option. There is no other option of accommodating diversity that can work. The question, therefore, should be how best do we achieve that. Recognizing that this is a process, how do we avoid attempted short-cuts that  take us to dead-ends, on the one hand; and using the slogan of processes as an excuse to indefinitely postpone the exercise of democracy. We have to avoid both extremes.

Other than that, I don’t think we can avoid democracy without transforming ourselves into failed states. And I think in the case of Eritrea too, Eritrea is diverse enough. Perhaps not as diverse as Ethiopia but diverse enough. And the tensions in the Eritrean society are such that I don’t think they could be accommodated by any means other than by democratic means. Therefore, Eritreans have no other options but to embark on a democratic process.  How it does so, how much time it takes–all of these are for Eritrean to sort out. But the path is unavoidable and very clear.

ETHIOPA-ARAB RELATIONS

5- Eritrea is accused of being involved in the activities in Somalia and many people believe that it is helping in getting Ethiopia out. And it has the blessing of some regional countries. This new venture has given the Eritrean regime a new lease on life, at least diplomatically. The involvement of the Eritrean regime in Somalia is seen as a counter to Ethiopia’s involvement. In fact, the regime has tried to position itself as a defender of Islamic and Arab rights in the region and some regional intellectuals and diplomats are promoting this positioning.  How do you see that working? And why don’t you pull out of Somalia?

First of all, I don’t take the Arab world as a homogeneous block with some anti-Ethiopian agenda or visceral hatred of Ethiopia. That is not true. We have excellent ties with many Arab countries at this stage. We have extraordinarily close ties, for example, with Algeria. We have extraordinarily close ties, for example, with Yemen. That has nothing to do with Arabism. That has nothing to do with Islamism.

But of course there are geo-political interests. We are next-door neighbors with the Arab world. Unavoidably, some of these countries may have geo-political interests that they think are in contradiction with Ethiopian geo-political interests. They may try to sell their specific national geo-political agenda as some sort of an Arab agenda but I don’t think they can succeed.

Now Isaias, since the first day he had this dispute with [Ethiopia], understands this and has tried to capitalize on it. Some of these countries that have geo-political interest that they think are in conflict with ours are … have some weight in the Arab world, and may hold views contrary to ours.  That is very unfortunate and it is very damaging to Ethiopia’s interest and Isaias has tried to capitalize on it.

The first point I would like to make, therefore, would be that there is no homogenous Arab position on any matter whether it is Somalia, Eritrea or Ethiopia. A good part of the Arab world still has excellent close ties with us and we need to maintain that.

In the case of Somalia, we intervened primarily because of our national security. The Jihadist group in Somalia, they declared war on us. They threatened our immediate national security interest. They posed what we call clear and present danger. We intervened to stop it. We stopped it in two weeks. We could have immediately withdrawn without any risk to our security. Unfortunately, we didn’t do that. We didn’t do that because we felt that we owe it to the Somalis who sided with us in fighting the Jihadists to give them some breathing space so that they can reorganize, reconsolidate themselves so that peace can be given a chance in Somalia. We felt that we would pay in blood, some blood to that, it would be worthwhile. It would be a plus to our future cooperation with the Somalis.

The African Union backed our agenda and we felt that we owed it to the African Union to give them some breathing space until they bring alternative forces. That is why we have stayed on in Somalia and we have no other agenda. Technically, we could withdraw tomorrow without any risk to our national security. We have no anti-Islamic agenda. Many people do not realize, for example,  Sharia courts are recognized and backed by the government in Ethiopia. This is a secular state, but in our constitution, there is a provision that, on family matters for example, whatever the Sharia court decides would be enforced by the Ethiopian police. Now, every Muslim in Ethiopia has a choice– he can go to secular courts in family matters or he can go to Sharia courts in family matters. He can go to Sharia courts in family matters and if the Shraia courts decides one way or the other, the state is obliged to execute [the decision]. Now, this is a country that is supposedly involved in an anti-Islamic agenda! Ethiopia cannot be an instrument of anti-Islamic agenda because it is [Islam is] part of its system. And over 30% of the population in Ethiopia are Muslims. We cannot have an anti-Islamic agenda without imploding from inside…

6- Do you think you have done a good job in explaining this to those who accuse you?

I think we have done a good job in explaining this to Ethiopians because I do not see resentment on the part of Ethiopian Muslims regarding the government or its policies. On the contrary, Muslims have traditionally been among the most supporting of the EPRDF [Ethiopian Peoples Revolutionary Democratic Forces, ruling coalition] in Ethiopia. But we have done a lousy job in terms of explaining this to the outside world. And the situation in Somalia has made [it] a very bad job and even worse because interested parties have presented it as a crusade of some sort.

7- Coming to the crusade part, your opponents accuse you  of executing American agenda in the region. Considering the anti-American sentiments in the region, are you not positioning yourself in an antagonistic position? Are you worried that your regional policies would be perceived as similar to the imperial Ethiopian policy and your being positioned as such?

There are a number of points that need to be stressed here. First, we do not have visceral knee-jerk reaction or hatred towards the Americans or the American agenda. We evaluate the policies being implemented in the region. Where we see a coincidence of interest and policies, we interact with the American plan as we interact with anybody else. Where we see lack of coincidence in our positions, they go their way and we go our way. So, we do not want to be part of anti-Americanism for the sake of being anti-American.

Secondly, in the case of Somalia, for example, I remember the commander of the joint task force that they have in Djibouti going to Nairobi and speaking to the press — just before we intervened — and telling the press (and I am quoting here) “we are sitting this one out.” Meaning, the United States is not going to be involved in Somalia. They didn’t expect that we would remove the Islamic Courts from Mogadishu in two weeks. They thought that [it] was going to be a very difficult experiment. And so they didn’t back it up initially. After the initial success, the Americans have given us diplomatic support and back up. That is for the Americans but the African Union has also given full backing up.

We do not know any anti-Islamic state agenda of the United States. Some constituencies in the united states may harbor anti-Islamic agenda; but we are not aware of any formal US anti-Islamic policy. We, most certainly, are not part of any such policies. We couldn’t. We are not. And we would not be. But I understand that this has not been explained adequately. And we… that we are being labeled as crusaders. We are not crusaders. We think religious wars, whether it is crusade or Jihad, we believe belongs to the Middle Ages not to the present.

SUDAN-ERITREA-ETHIOPIA

8- Let me ask you about your relations with the Sudan. It seems the Sudanese-Ethiopian relation is inversely proportional to both governments’ relations with Eritrea. How is that so? Could you characterize for me that relation?

It appears to be that; I doubt whether it really is that. Initially, we had excellent relations with the Sudan. I am talking about some few elements in the Sudanese establishment who abused the goodwill that we had with the Sudan as a movement,  as a government. And they were involved in the assassination attempt on [Egyptian] President [Hosni] Mubarek in our country. That soured our relations for some time. And the relations improved when many of these elements were removed from the Sudanese government.

With the demise of AlTurabi, that coincidence, that coincided with the conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea. So, it is possible to interpret the reinvigoration of relations between Sudan and Ethiopia, in the late nineties and early 2000, as result of the dispute between Ethiopia and Eritrea. But since then, we have maintained excellent relations with Sudan. Sudan’s position with Eritrea has changed from time to time. Initially, it was antagonist, very similar to ours. At a later stage, it was more accommodating. In spite of this situation we have excellent relations with the Sudan.

I don’t think the relations between Sudan and Eritrea has improved as a result of diplomatic skill. I believe it is a matter of blackmailing. The Eritrean government has successfully planned, blackmailed, the Sudanese government into improving its relations with Eritrea. I do not believe there is any love lost now between the Sudanese government and the Eritrean government. I believe the Sudanese government has been exploited by the Eritrean government to blackmail the Sudanese government and I understand that. I believe the support of the Islamic opposition groups by the Sudanese government, to protect their interest, and we understand that. And as a result we have had… we have maintained our relationship.

9- There is one thing that has been coming up as far as Ethiopian policy towards Eritrea is concerned. Many Eritreans say that Ethiopia has a landlocked-country complex. Can we comfortably say that this complex is not there perhaps because Ethiopia now has several access to other ports?

I cannot tell you that every Ethiopian shares my view, but I can comfortably tell you that my position, my view, is a majority position. And that is the position of the government. My view is this: the Ethiopian imperial system has been dismantled and replaced by the federal system that we have in place. For Ethiopians, a constitutional country established on the the basis of the right to self-determination that really expressed desire of its people was the sine-qua-non for the maintenance of the country. All those Ethiopians who do not want to be Ethiopians simply have the right not to be Ethiopia or else we could die…

But the Eritreans have expressed their desire to be independent state in an internationally supervised referendum and the thirty years war ended this time.

So any attempt to incorporate Eritrea in the fold of Ethiopia will not succeed in incorporating Eritrea; it will simply succeed in dismantling Ethiopia, because it will dismantle the fundamental principle on which Ethiopia is formed: the right to self-determination. And that is, I think the majority position. I do. I am very comfortable that this is the government position. Once you agree on this fundamental principle, the issue of ports becomes an issue that is non-political.

Port service is a service like hotel service, like tourism service like any other service; you can buy it in the market. If you have the money, if we Ethiopians are rich, then we can buy this service from any provider. The most perfect provider would be Eritrea- for geographic reasons, cultural reasons, but it is not the only provider. If you are poor, the ports won’t make any difference to begin with. So the issue is an issue of economic growth in Ethiopia. The port is clearly a matter of buying and selling a service.

That is my view, that is the view of my government, that is the view of my party, and that is the view of the majority of Ethiopians. But I cannot tell you that there are no Ethiopians who do not have sort of ports hang up; but this is not a majority view and it is a dying view.

ERITREA

10- The last part. There is a general view and there are many in Eritrea, quite a few, who have this nightmare that, someday, what happened in Somalia can be repeated in Eritrea and quite a few who think that way out of fear of Ethiopia’s intentions. How do you make them feel comfortable that what happened in Somalia will not be repeated in Eritrea?

There are two possible ways of doing that. One possible way of doing that would be to say that I do not have any type of hatred to the Eritrean people, I never had that type of hatred to the Eritrean people. My track record does not show that kind of hatred to the Eritrean people, etc, etc. In other words, I would appeal to their emotions and feelings, it is somebody’s emotions. But these are emotional arguments that don’t cut that much ice.

So we have to talk about interests now. Interests are more solid than emotions. I would want somebody to convince me that it is in the interest of Ethiopia as to create another Somalia in Eritrea. If it is in the interest in Ethiopia to do it, then I can understand why Eritreans would be worried. Because they might read that interests are more substantive that sentiments. But there is no reason to believe that a Somalia in Eritrea would to the benefit of Ethiopia, not at all. The best scenario for Ethiopia is a stable Eritrea, one that is not a thorn on our back. That is the kind of Eritrea that we would like to have.

We don’t deserve the Eritrea that we now have, and I don’t think Eritrean people deserve the Eritrea that they now have. And I don’t think Eritreans deserve a Somalia in Eritrea, and I don’t think we deserve a Somalia in Eritrea. So it is not in Ethiopia’s interest: in fact, the self-interest of Ethiopia is in seeking that Eritrea doesn’t become another Somalia.  One Somalia in the region is one too many. And it is not a theoretical issue it is a practical issue. We know what a failed state in Somalia means to Ethiopia. It means a nightmare. Why would we want to have another nightmare in North?

11- Something that goes back a while, a bad experience in the late nineties, quite a few Eritreans were deported from Ethiopia…now quite a few of them support the Eritrean regime not because they agree with its policies but because they feel they were wronged by your government. What would you say to them?

I can’t tell you this was our finest hour–far from it. It was a very regrettable process. All I can say is that people ought to understand what happened. As the invasion came as a shock, not only to the Ethiopian people as a whole but also to the EPRDF. And many in the EPRDF were surprised at the betrayal. And there was an element that was about lashing out and lashing back. At that stage, the Eritrean government was saying that they have a big presence [in Ethiopia] and if they wanted to remove the government from Addis, they could do it, any time. And the Eritrean community organizations here, in Ethiopia, were practically declared by the Eritrean government as an element of a fifth column that they have in Ethiopia.

Now when you combine that perceived threat with the anger amongst many in the government, it was easy for these angry people to argue that we have a security problem and the primary responsibility of the security of our citizens; therefore, we have to decrease the security threat. This was a circumstance that brought the situation- an environment of  risk and environment of anger and an environment of  hatred.

I would also wish those who have been deported to understand that this government had resisted a similar approach from 1991 to 1998. It was not because there were no temptations to do that. And the Eritrean [government officials] were repeatedly informed. We have discussed this with the Eritrean government, trying to involve it each time without creating tensions and anger among the citizens. Many Ethiopians at that time wanted us to retaliate in kind, we resisted that because we felt it will not be in the long-term interest of the two peoples. And because we felt that whatever the Eritrean government does, we do not need to have a similar response. So in 1998, the circumstances that were created, were such that we could no longer resist. So, this very regrettable thing happened.

Now, it is easy for someone who was not on a receiving end, to theoretically argue that was wrong. It was a very unfortunate and let’s move on. Those who have been on the receiving side of it feel the pain and we have to understand that. All I can say to them is, please try to understand the circumstance. I am not going to justify it by any means, I am going to explain the circumstance.

12- I want to ask you about the Eritrean opposition at this point. How do you evaluate it, what is your assessment of its performance?

The Eritrean opposition organizations…come in all sorts of types and sizes. And therefore, there is a variation in the qualities and performances. I am very encouraged by the recent developments within the Eritrean opposition and so the level of maturity that in some way was absent in that camp. And this is a recognition that the future destiny of Eritrea would not be determined by the thirteen opposition organizations. And the recognition of the thirteen organizations that a vision for Eritrea that could be implemented as soon as the Eritrean government is removed.

The mission of the opposition ought to be to remove the current government and let the Eritrean people make their choice on any of the pending issues in Eritrea, recipe, form of government, that is for the Eritrean people to make the final decision on. And so I think it was a bit academic of them to quarrel on how to decide on the future of Eritrea or how to govern future Eritrea. All they need to understand and accept is that the Eritrean people should have the final say. And that is the task of the opposition organizations. I think they are moving in that direction and that is why I think there  has been an improvement in the level of maturity.

Secondly, they appear to be at loss, as to how to bring about a government change in Eritrea. This is understandable. They see that the Eritrean people who fought the previous Ethiopian regimes in Eritrea, so valiantly, but are now avoiding being so [valiant], as far as the current government in Eritrea is concerned and are in desperation, engaged in an exodus. Now, this is something new for the Eritrean political culture and experience. And I wouldn’t be surprised if people felt bewildered by what is happening to the Eritrean people: why are they not fighting back? Why are they fleeing their country? Etc. So a new understanding of what is happening in Eritrea is required. And there appears to be bewilderment in that sphere. I hope they will, over time, come up with a proper explanation of what is happening in Eritrea and how best to start from where we are now to bring about change in Eritrea.

13- People think that you have the skill and talent but question your will on the type of support that you give to the Eritrean opposition in comparison to the support the  Eritrean regime gives to your opposition. I would mention here facilities such as passport, for example, where the Ethiopian support is not forthcoming?

Let me say a few things here. First, we would like to distinguish our support from that of the Eritrean government to the Ethiopian opposition. We would like to make sure that is based on clear principles. Governance in Eritrea, democratic governance in Eritrea, is for Eritreans. Those of us who are not Eritreans, who may have goodwill towards Eritreans, can wish the Eritrean people the best. But we cannot make it our business. That is an issue of principle that we cross at our own peril as Ethiopians and could endanger Eritreans too. So, we have been very careful to try to make sure that our support is based on clear and firm principles. Now, what are we doing then with the Eritrean opposition? Why are we, however limited our support might be, why are we supporting them?

Our interest in Eritrea, as state, is to have peaceful coexistence with Eritrea. The current Eritrean government doesn’t want to give us peace. We believe the Eritrean people want peace. We believe these opposition groups, give the Eritrean people the space to make decisions, and we will have sustainable peace with Eritrea. So it is in the interest of peace of Ethiopia that we support the opposition. We are not interested in the details of their program. The only program we are interested in is whether the Eritrean people will be given the space to make decisions. If the Eritrean people are given the space to make decisions, we have guarantees because we know the Eritrean people want peace.

We do not expect guarantees about peace from any group. If we couldn’t get it from our former comrades in the EPLF [Eritrean People’s Liberation Front, previous name of ruling party in Eritrea], with whom we fought and died together, we cannot get it from anybody else other than the Eritrean people. So, we want to support the opposition for one and one reason only: because we expect them to give the Eritrean people the space to make the final decision on peace. Therefore, we have been very careful, not to make choices about the political platforms of any party. We might like some platforms and we may not like another platform but we do not believe it is our business to choose between these platforms. It is the business of the Eritrean people.

So, when there have been quarrels amongst these parties: on the one hand, people encourage us to talk to them and try to reconcile them; on the other hand people do not want us to intervene in their internal affairs. Understandable. So there has been understandable hesitation on our part to get too close to the opposition, Eritrean opposition. That has been one of the limiting factors.

The second factor has been an element of skepticism, on the part of some in our government, as to whether this is a worthwhile investment of our time and our resources. And it is understandable given the weakness of the opposition. But I think we have overcome this skepticism within the government. And therefore, we are now in a better position to provide whatever assistance we can when whatever assistance they need.

Now you know we are a very poor country; there is a limit to what we can do. Unlike Isaias, our only agenda is not to remove Isaias. Our primary agenda is to bring about development in our country. And so, we do not have as much surplus as Isaias does. Because for Isaias, that is the only agenda that he has. Nevertheless, we recognize we could have been helpful without delving into internal matter, we could have been very helpful in the past. And I am sure given the prospects that are now visible as a result of the progress that the opposition has made, we could be more helpful.

I want to shoot down one misperception that I see among the Eritreans in the Diaspora. Some people are arguing that this opposition wants to remove the government in Eritrea by joining the bandwagon of Ethiopian army, that they want to mount Ethiopian tanks and move to Asmara. I have not heard anything of that type from the Eritrean opposition, and I am very happy I didn’t hear it from the Eritrean opposition because it is not going to happen. I have said over and over again, unless there is a full scale invasion of our territories, no matter what Isaias does, there won’t be a single Ethiopian tank in Eritrea.

FINAL QUESTIONS

14- Tell me if I would have a chance in my lifetime, to see you being addressed as ex-Prime Minister when you can probably teach at a university, write books or run a foundation?

Absolutely. I am looking forward to it. I don’t think it is too far away.

15- So  you will set that example?

Absolutely, I can tell you that. I hope that… now you cannot be sure whether you can live through tomorrow, but assuming that I will have a normal age, in three years time, you would call me ex-prime minister.

Thank you Mr. Prime Minister.

Thank you

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  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Who could have imagined, that the >70 year old kids here, would become best pals with digital TPLF posters? Never do they criticize them but always shower them, with accolades, hugs & kisses. One should never question why the Eritrean opposition is so incredibly unified. With age comes wisdom…or so they say…

    • haileTG

      Dongolo,

      Nothing wrong to be pals with TPLF or Tigrayans in general. The reason you (and the Eritrean public) was overdosed with anti-Tigray sentiment potion was to prime us to what happened since November 2020. We were supposed to be sufficiently be primed to hate Tigrayans and then to be either be deployed to affect genocide, rape and looting in person or look the other way and justify it if we are at a distance. It was perfect murderous plan by PFDJ and I dear say it managed to turn the very word Tigrayan or Tigray into a plague like thing to be escaped from by many Eritreans, save for some enlightened ones. Anyhow, the plan was put into action and now completely scuttled. I don’t think PFDJ/IA have future genocide plans to prime you all over again. Tigrayans are our neighbors and brothers, we are glad they escaped the evil plan, no point to try to get political mileage by Tigray hatinggg. Relax, it is a new day, the 20 year old nasty genocide plan has failed on IA’s evil face. Let’s move on, yeah Tigrayans are our pals…

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat-TG,

        Over dosed by “Anti-Tigray potion” is a good description to the Eritrean mentality vis-a-vis the Tigray people. Very hard to detoxify them from the poison they are affected with. Hopefully with the demise of the despot.

        Regard

        • haileTG

          Selamat Aman,

          For sure, in fact sooner than the demise of the despotic leader. There is no overarching purpose to groom Eritreans now that the plan had been destroyed as soon as it was put in to action, due to the push back by the Tigray people. Individuals can go around hating Tigray now but there won’t be an organized drive for it because that had failed for good.

    • iSem

      Hi Dongolo:
      If this was coming from someone else I would accept it. It is like a a Muslim drunk driver when police stopped and wa told to get off the car because his has alcohol levels more than the allowed levers.
      Drivers: that cannot be right, I do not drink, I am Muslim
      Police officer:Yes you are drunk, the machine says so
      Driver: I am Muslim, my mantra is: who drinks it, who sells it, who touches have alls sinned
      Officer: good words, sad that they are coming out of an inebriated mouth
      so Dongolo, you words are coming from inebriated mouth

      • Ismail AA

        Selam ustaz iSem,

        The Moslem also say, in such cases, “May God guide them to the right path”. This “inebriated mouth” is not due to over use of spirits. That may be dismissed as personal folly of being weak to resist the desire for the avoidable. Our good brother seems to inebriated by teachings and propaganda of injustice by a regime and a supremo at its center who is also inebriated with thirsty of power. Otherwise, how can a sober person categorically despise a whole age group many of whom he does not even know ? He does not care about what some of those people did for the country he believes has duty to defend with rough foul words.

        • Dongolo

          Selam Ismail AA. Thanks for your neutral comments. Please tell me one in the >70 age group (here) that is not coalescing with pro TPLF posters (here) and I will stand corrected. Whenever one makes very critical comments against either the TPLF or those in the Eritrean opposition that support them, you are quick to very wrongly accuse them of being PIA/PFDJ supporters. However not a single negative word is ever uttered against those that endlessly promote TPLF propaganda.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,

            We have had civil exchanges before. My interest for coming here is to engage with participants who would like to share opinions freely with decency in word and expression. That is all that is required in a civil conversation. I want to assure that I do not really side in favor of a person. My aim is to read and weigh whether it has value within the framework of a given issue. I may agree or disagree but the point is I learn something from an offered idea or information. Now, my reason of responding, is that when someone like you categorize things as you did with a whole age group. I should not mind if anyone would take issue with another as long as he/she would address the issue to an individual, not a blanket allegation or accusation.

    • Brhan

      Hello Dongolo,
      “People crave news out of basic instinct, what we call the Awareness Instinct. They need to know what is going on over the next hill, to be aware of events beyond their direct experience” Page 21 , the Elements of Journalism Bill Kovach and Tom Rosenstiel.
      The fact that you are coming to awate.com to comment is due to your awareness instinct. This is nature. You can’t deny it. If you deny it then the perfect website for you is Shabite.com.

  • Mez

    Good day Haile TG,

    I just want to comment on your last write up, “Pertinent questions”:
    I think the pertinent question for the war dynamics are rather

    1) the self-served annexation of Amhara regions in early 199-ies, (which is still a not answered question to the satisfaction of all), and

    2) the thinly veiled ambition to annex part of the Eritrean region– from what we know today.
    2.1) Hence it is more likely that the war is rooted between TPLF/TDF’s ambition and the reality on the ground.

    3) Re-calibration is very tough–because it includes a sustained realistic self-assessment; and tplf lacks that big time.

    3.1) if you will, the war we see today is trimming little by little the ego-of tplf; apparently they have a very-steep learning curve–causing such a suffering and destruction to the people.

    Thanks

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Mez,

      Let’s say #1, 2, 2.1 are debatable for now. My view on 3 and 3.1 is that the cost benefit equation is significant issue.

      Any coup that fails is dangerous and bloody. We can look at all failed coup in Africa and what happened to the initiators. PMAA was for sure after a coup of EPRDF which was TPLF dominated. Had it worked, we would have long moved on. But, almost a year on, the killings continue at an industrial scale. In other words, love them or loathe them, the coup on TPLF badly failed and it has now engulfed the region in turmoil. It has become a war of morals between good and evil, between food and starvation, between safety and massacres.

      So, the process of power transfer designed by PMAA lacked re-calibration based on a sustained realistic self-assessment:-)

      • Mez

        Hi Haile TG,
        It is funny. You just try to debate with omission and comission. This will take no where.

        Thanks

      • Abi

        ኃይልሽ
        I see you have consumed a little bit too much from the expensive collection that decorate your family room.
        I take it Sunday is your whining day:-)

    • Abi

      Hello Mez
      You are a courageous person to put “learning “ and “ Tplf “ in one paragraph.
      ጉድ እኮ ነው!!

  • Ismail AA

    Selam haile TG and Kaddis,

    It is with deserved pleasure that I read the considered thoughts of both of you. Sorry for these belated comments. I was preoccupied by mundane personal matters.

    Looking at the situations in Tigray, and in fact in many spots of Ethiopia outside Tigray, understandably engenders in minds an impression that endurance of a ONE Ethiopia as territorial and demographic a national entity can appear to be so grim that its future has indeed hit cul-de-sac, as the French would put it. The ruthless way Ethiopia’s ethnics and political groups have been treating one another can be seen as too unimaginably horrendous that coexistence among them has come to irredeemable closure. That is legitimately understandable when one witnesses persons who until very recent time had considered one another as compatriots sharing one national identity in the bosom of one polity. Human beings who lived with primordial hatred and enmity would hardly be imagined to commit the reprehensible acts of rape and desecration of dead bodies about which we have heard or read. Those crimes and violations cannot at all be gainsaid.

    But, when one puts the emotions and bitterness those acts generate in the feeling of people on one side of the balance, and attitudinal ownership of the country that came to be known Ethiopia, which centuries of history had cemented, on the other, it become so difficult to see Tigray or the Amhara ethnic group outside Ethiopia as a nation and territory. It can be quite something else if the issue is were to concern the Somalis, Afar or even the Oromo. Separation for the latter may easier to consider, which is not for the Tigrayans and Amhara. Such an argument emanates from reading the checkered history of that land. As instance, the cruelty and violence we have been witnessing had also happened in the past. The empire was built and maintained on ruthlessness and harsh subjugation, which is not so unique to Ethiopian kings and warlords. Many defunct empires had seen it.

    Thus, it is may not be so farfetched that a change at the seat of power, either by force or civilized deliberation under stewardship of non-Ethiopian mediators and strategic stakeholder, may change the current messed up political and social calculus, and common ground can emerge for coexistence in an agreed upon accommodative national framework of acceptable governance formula, which the current rulers have proven not be able to provide.

    As concluding remarks, one can simply reflect back to the historical challenges the people of Tigray had endured at different stages of their relations within imperial Ethiopia that also continued during the two and half decades of the military rule of the Derg. But, in all those periods, and despite the harsh realities of subjugation, marginalization and impoverishments, they endured and persevered, and never imagined themselves outside Ethiopians. They always believed the Axumite empire, Abyssinia and modern Ethiopia began in Tigray; and it cannot end there.

    Otherwise, there had been many episodical historical opportunities to curve and build a separate entity for themselves. The could have done it when Axum disbanded and power moved south to the Agewland down south at Lalibela; they could have done it during the time of the warlord Mikael Sehule who had almost ended the monarchy at Gondar at the closing decade of 18th century; they could have done it 1872 with the coronation of Yohannes IV, who compromised with the Amhara and chose Amharic as official language instead of Tigrinya; they could have done it after the 1943 bombardment under Emperor Hailesellassie I by pursuing what they did against Mengistu Haile Mariam; and finally they could have done it in1991 it under Meles Zenawi when they at the peak of power but compromised an earlier goal they upheld in the interest of keeping Ethiopia united.

    So, one takes all this in consideration, thinking about continuation of Tigray within Ethiopia is very much debatable. As in the past, resilient tenacity and history gave the Tigrayans energy to endure through terrible predicaments they faced; and there is no reason for them not to do it again and emerge as upholders of the country together.

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Ismail,

      You made such a powerful counter argument and very excellent synthesis of how historical trajectory can point to a possible solution and a way forward. Thanks.

      My question now is that the current set up seems to be unusual in that those with political mandate don’t have the military standing and those without political mandate have military standing to support them vis a vis Ethiopia. Often times, political mandate correlate to military standing, it doesn’t seem that way this time around. How does such reality factor in the historical trajectory you aptly deployed?

      Regards

      • Ismail AA

        Selam haile TG,

        If I may quote myself that ” … the current rulers have proven not be able to provide” leadership out of the bog they created due to the false hope the illegal resetting of the post Derg order would be free ride to the aspired re-centralization of power at the center corroborates your point about the owners of mandated authority. They had forfieted its worth and effect because they abused it. That being the case, thus, the forces to whom Ethiopia historically always appealed in its time of adversity, should take good note of the situation you have described and search for a balancing policy. Ethiopia did this a few times such as during the Ahmed Gagn wars, for instance, when the Portuguese had interfered. Since the initiative should come from the side that has political mandate, they will have to apply credible leverage either by persuasion or coercion. This is to say that there is less onus on the side that has the military upperhand.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Ismail,

      Otherwise, there had been many episodical historical opportunities to curve and build a separate entity for themselves. The could have done it when Axum disbanded and power moved south to the Agewland down south at Lalibela; they could have done it during the time of the warlord Mikael Sehule who had almost ended the monarchy at Gondar at the closing decade of 18th century; they could have done it 1872 with the coronation of Yohannes IV, who compromised with the Amhara and chose Amharic as official language instead of Tigrinya; they could have done it after the 1943 bombardment under Emperor Hailesellassie I by pursuing what they did against Mengistu Haile Mariam; and finally they could have done it in1991 it under Meles Zenawi when they at the peak of power but compromised an earlier goal they upheld in the interest of keeping Ethiopia united. .

      With regards to the above, i.e. when Tigray has power within Ethiopia, how do you assess or evaluate it’s relationship with Eritrea. In other words, when Tigray is in power, was that good for Eritrea.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Dehab Faid Tinga:

    – The Eritrean Woman
    – The Eritrean Freedom Fighter
    – The Eritrean Human Rights Advocate

    https://youtu.be/_70TvpMjCUc

    • Aron

      hi haile TG and Brhan ,
      since you are the most informed about the Tigray war, this last abiy,s trial did not achieve the desired goal, is the war over for all practical purposes? Aron

      • haileTG

        Selamat Aron,

        Not so fast…

        Battles may indicate overall direction of the conflict but more is needed to say a war is over.

        If TDF is destroyed, as the PMAA camp have us believe, then why can they not dislodge them from many parts of Amhara region?

        If ENDF is destroyed, as the TDF has us believe, then how are they enforcing blockade?

        The truth of the matter appears somewhere in between, both sides are unable to fully neutralize the other.

        What the above means in practical terms is that the nature of the battles may take different forms. For example, you may see more battles fought inside cities and towns where many civilians live. You may see a tactical shift to involve Eritrea directly, in any case unless WT is opened by political decision, it can’t be secured militarily without taking south western region of Eritrea (purely from military bases).

        Of course, what we can say is that the war is entering a different phase, it would be more costly, more distractive and perhaps regional in scope.

        Controlling one city/town or withdrawing from another, will not be enough to end the war IMHO.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG,

          You may see a tactical shift to involve Eritrea directly, in any case unless WT is opened by political decision, it can’t be secured militarily without taking south western region of Eritrea (purely from military bases).

          .

          1) Why is involving Eritrea a tactical shift? I don’t the military tactics but what’s got to do taking over south western Eritrea if the plan of TPLF is to open western Tigray to Sudan?

          2) Is that to give TPLF access to Sudan via Eritrea?

          3) Kenya president (Kenya is chair of SC for this month) is meeting Biden on Monday and Tigray war will be on the agenda. What do you expect the meeting would achieve, knowing the president was one of those who attended Abiy inauguration.

          • haileTG

            selamat Berhe,

            Me neither, no military expert here.

            1) The general geography is that as long as IA is with the Amhara forces, even if TDF pushes them out of Himora for example, it can’t be defended for safe passage as long as EDF can bombard the region from the Eritrean side of the border. That was what had happened early in conflict when WT was lost. So, TDF can push south into Amhara but unless there is similar push north into Eritrea, it can’t guarantee a safe corridor. Others with more knowledge of the region around there can help as see too.

            2) As stated above, it is to create a security buffer zone to guarantee safe operations of the road through WT – Sudan.

            3) It is being tough to guess at this time. PMAA seems resolved to continue the war (today’s PR), there is the sanctions coming around 2 – 3 weeks from now. IMHO, I don’t think there is any viable path forward at this point in time on the peace front.

        • Aron

          selam HG
          if the war advances to addis past wollo, doesn’t that override the need to fight with eri to open WT. aron

          • Abi

            Hello Aron the Agazi
            Unexpectedly, and beyond my imagination, you and His Greatness share drinks only. He refused to share your enthusiasm.
            Heaven is closer and more realistic than reaching Addis.
            Now it is time for you guys to leave Addis and every town and city with all your ቅራቅንቦ on your back.

          • Aron

            ena yistiligne Ras Abi,
            don’t get mad it is just as simple as two plus two .we were told by your generals TPLF is gone, duket new,and all . you have told as TPLF is dead for too long and what i see is they are taking you down a city / or a village a day.
            if you have not heard let me tell you the bad news wello seems on the side of TPLF. ARON THE AGAZI loves you any ways. and i hope you and your family doing wel lhere and in Gondar. Unlike you I hate no people. i hope you guys will allow tigray will take its kirakimbo and you return what you stole. Btw your boys are doing well.
            Aron the Agazi.

          • Abi

            Hello Aron the Agazi
            The boys are doing exceptionally well. Thank you for asking.
            How is the guy at FSU doing? I’m sure he is killing it! Make sure he is doing internships during summer break.
            We allow the Tigreans gather their ቅራቅንቦ and head north to ማርና ወተት ወደሚፈልቅባት ትግራይ! የሰረቁትን ንብረት ለህጋዊው ለባለቤት አስረክበው ድምፅ ሳያበዙ ሹልክ ብለው ይውጡ::

            ከትግራይ ምን የሚሰረቅ ነገር አለ?
            ቋጥኝ ይሰረቃል?

      • Aron

        Tena yistiligne Ras Abi,
        don’t get mad it is just as simple as two plus two .we were told by your generals TPLF is gone, duket new,and all . you have told as TPLF is dead for too long and what i see is they are taking you down a city / or a village a day.
        if you have not heard let me tell you the bad news wello seems on the side of TPLF. ARON THE AGAZI loves you any ways. and i hope your family and yourself. unlike you i hate no people i hope you guys will allow tigray will take its kirakimbo and you return what you stole. Btw your boys are doing well.
        Aron the Agazi.

  • Kaddis

    Selam Haile
    You have well argued and I don’t see lightly your premises since you have the privilege to read the tigrigna sentiment.
    My response bases as how the stakeholders of Ethiopia sees the current government
    The people know it’s fake, superficial opdo regardless how much it changes its name. They know it doesn’t have the capacity to make their lives better. The west and regional governments know they don’t want to see eritranized Ethiopia. They prefer woyane regardless of its fixed on looking east. Woyane is a predictable mess.
    But mainly I don’t see tigrians departure from Ethiopia in their minds. They are just frustrated Addis abuse them every time it gets the chance. They are not ready to lose their individual and collective investment. Leman blew? Nobody owns Ethiopia…they have ideological, political and economical support from the federalist camp which I believe still strong.
    And the Americans won’t allow another messy divorce process in the troubled horn while somaliland are living a de facto separate lives.
    I am back in Addis…the mood is people realize opdo is dead on arrival let alone win a war up north. They look desperate for the end of the war before a shameful Dessie fall for TDF and before November 4 …a year of war that shows how shallow their claim of strong Ethiopia state they brag about.

  • said

    Greetings,
    Interesting article in Ny Times . By DEVIKA GIRISH. Haile Gerima being recognized by the Academy Museum of Motion

    Haile Gerima Is Having a Hollywood Moment. It’s Left Him Conflicted..

    The director, an eminence of American and African indie cinema, is being recognized by the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures and Netflix. But he has long rejected the industry. Gerima, a 75-year-old Ethiopian filmmaker, After 50 years, Hollywood is finally calling. “I’m leaving with a lump in my throat,” Gerima said with her characteristic clarity. “It’s an industry I have no affiliation with, no trust in, no desire to be a part of.”Pls see the link
    https://granthshala.com/haile-gerima-is-having-a-hollywood-moment-its-left-him-conflicted/

    Haile Gerima Is Having a Hollywood Moment. It’s Left Him Conflicted. – Continuitynews

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Forum participants,

    Eritreans are conducting peaceful demonstrations against human rights abuses to the refugee in Libya. What is new is that PF(DJ) supporters are also doing theirs. It is good to see all Eritreans, regardless of their political view, stand for our refugees. I hope regime supporters won’t miss slogans that say, ” the root cause for the plight of our refugees is DIA.”

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Brhan Arkey!

      Yes indeed, it is always good to see a glimmer or any sign that shows Eritreans on common cause. Having said that however. we can’t help but acknowledge the sad background in the whole story. I was listening to ERISAT interview yesterday with one of the refugees in Libya, he was asked what he thought of an opportunity to go back to Eritrea (which is being regarded as an option following the Libyan govt promise). He was very irritated with that scenario, he compared those who think that with people wanting their dreams and their minds destroyed and said that almost all of the refugees there have same or similar idea – i.e. they would rather die there than going back to Eritrea.

      What can we say! It leaves one speechless as to the magnitude of abuse PFDJ Eritrea inflicts on the population. The two demonstrations you mentioned above is Eritrean’s divided stand as their country speeds away to oblivion.ምሕረቱ ይኣዝዘልና ብርሃን ዓርከይ!

      • Brhan

        Selamat haileTG A

        Arkey, what is circulating is that the regime is behind their demos. The government even mentioned “Eritrean refugees” when advising Eritreans in Sudan via its Khartoum embassy “to not participate in East Sudan’s arrest.”

        The regime has no sympathy for the refugees . Still, these demos about the refugees by its supporters and the recent talks of its participation in low-level international meetings on the front page of Shabite show that it is desperately trying find its presence on the international stage, a stage that it is deprived of due to its alienation.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    From a critical standpoint, why does the US administration presuppose a particular outcome in its attempt to help resolve the Tigray conflict? The US says that it is committed to the territorial integrity of the Ethiopian state as a crucial part of its conflict resolution endeavors. Such a presupposition imply some kind of national reconciliation process in Ethiopia. Clearly, the people of Tigray, the people and not politicians, have been traumatized by what happened in the first part of the conflict and the continued blocking of Tigray. In addition, much brutality is taking place in WT. Given the political situation, it is unlikely that that reconciliation is in the cards on both sides. So, can the US not be open to any amicable resolution, including the secession of Tigray from the union through a referendum?

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      The people of Tigray and their mentality retarded ,physically crippled and emotionally unstable leaders are one and the same. Looks like you forgot what you have been preaching us since the beginning of the war.
      Tigray does not need the help or approval from USA if it wants to secede from the union. I’ve been telling you all the Tigreans have to do is pack their ቅራቅንቦ and leave Ethiopia.
      መለስ የተባለ አንድ ዘረኛ ደደብ እንዳለው “መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያድርግላቸው”!!!!

      ኢትዮጵያን በህልማቸው ለማየት valid visa ያስፈልጋቸዋል::

      • haileTG

        Abichu,

        I came to the conclusion that there might not be a way forward to maintain Tigray in Ethiopia only recently. Yes, you were saying that and, yet I was still holding on to some hope a way might be found. So, if can’t leave in peace, why not separate in peace? I think the people of Tigray and Ethiopia have crossed a point of no return. There is no reason why a single life and a single dime more be spent on this conflict. However, the separation should be fair, farsighted and legal. TPLF seems to be still unsure, otherwise, you, Tigrayans and Ethiopians have got right, except need to be civil about it. Now, my question is why is the US imposing its wish of unity; one without a pathway to get at? I will get you a music to go with such sorry realizations for us all.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam haile TG,

          Unless the assumption is that Dr. Abiy and his government are unescapable evitability of fate, secessation of Tigray from Ethiopia appears to be hard to foresee. Another man at the seat of power in Addis Ababa can change the national mood and direction relations would move. At the present, it has the marriage of convenience Abiy’s ambition with the nostalgic and diehard dreamers of restoration of imperial legacy among the Amhara-Tigray elites that has been the country roiling in conflict and war.

          My assumption is that if the current military conditions would result in stalemate or more gains in favor of the Tigrayans, there would be hope of keeping the country together through inclusive dialogue of all stakeholders. Disintegration means end of Ethiopia as a nation, which no sane Ethiopian – be that Tigrayan or from amongst the other components of the country – wants to see. Nor is this ominous destiny desired among the community of nations because they know the consequence of endless fight for the inheritanced of the relics of the defunct empire.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Ismail,

            I don’t know what I wrote this time! disques is holding up my response:-)

          • Ismail AA

            Dear haile TG,
            No problem. It also happens to me sometimes. Perhaps, the moderator can do something about it.

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          You are catching up slowly.
          https://youtu.be/vnurhy4jlqw

          • haileTG

            Thanks Abichu,

            Very fitting…ዕርምህንና ቅራቅንቦህን ይዘህ ውጣ ነው ግዜው;-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            በመጨረሻ ተግባባን!

          • haileTG

            Abichu

            በሩ ኣብሮ ሲዘጋብህ ከማ’ጋ ትገባ ምን ምርጫ’ለ ብለህ ነው:-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ያገሬ አስተዋይ እንደሚለው
            “ሁለት ባላ ትከል
            አንዱ ቢሰበር ባ’ንዱ ተንጠልጠል”
            ልጨምር?
            ምን ችግር አለ ታላቅነትዎ ይሁን ካለ!

            “አንቺ ምን ቸገረሽ ሁለት አባት አለሽ
            አንዱ ቢሞትብሽ ባ’ንዱ ትምያለሽ”

            ወንድም አለሜ አንተም ወደ ኤርትራ ግባ:: ትግራይ እንደሁ ካሁን በሗላ ጃርት እንጂ ሰው አይበቅልባትም::
            ሁሉም በር አልተዘጋብህም::
            ገንዘብካ አርከይ

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat-TG,

          The winning streaks of TDF against all the odds is phenomenal. From hitting the ground to raising from the ground, from raising the ground to pushing their enemy out of their state, from pushing out of their state to making the battles inside their enemies states, from making the battles in their states to foiling all attempts of military campaigns, from foiling military campaign to marching Dessie and beyond. Now they are close to crossing the rubicon as reported in the link below.

          Second, the most amazing in this military saga is the military discipline of their army how they hold and treat the ENDF POWs, and how they treat the residents of the villages and towns they occupy, to stabilize and encourage them not to escape and do their own living. Clearly showing the qualities of people’s army. Look the link below.

          Link -1 ( witnessing that they are close to cross the rubicon)

          https://youtu.be/kpixeMAYwdQ

          Link-2 (witnessing how TDF treat the people. Start at 50 minutes mark. A phone call to the Wollo region

          https://youtu.be/BYZbc61o8aQ

          Regard

          • haileTG

            Selamat Aman H,

            No doubt TDF making a comeback in 8 months is in itself spectacular, but I tend to be careful with such predictions as vid #1 and generally non official outlets. There is so much stuff out there, it is worth not to get pulled by it. TDF has still not broken the seige and PMAA and IA are still causing the death of civilians, mothers and children by genocidal blockade. TDF needs to break the western front and open a corridor to Tigray. It is not wise to discount one side or the other just yet. BTW the guy in #2 vid sounds genuine but #1 is only showing the sky as his background. Not a real guy. But I gree TDF has surprised the hell out of us.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ቀኑን ሙሉ ጥፍት ብለህ ስትውል ሃሳብ ገብቶኝ ነበር:: ምነው እንዲህ መጥፋት? ወዳጅ ዘመድ ይናፍቃል : ይጨነቃል አይባልም?
            https://youtu.be/cqmNAjQbxV0
            https://youtu.be/W0CnOPXM_3Q

            እንደምትወደው አልጠራጠርም!

          • haileTG

            Thanks Abichu,

            Yes, busy day today! Besides, we had a briefing with the Republic of Tigray chief of Staff Gen. Tadesse Werede:-) Here is his deputy, busy on the job:

            https://youtu.be/zVnZ3ntFQhk

            About time we see the leaders in battles not farms.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ምነው መሳሳትን ስራዬ ብለህ ያዝከው? ክፉ ልማድ !!
            እያመረቱ አገር ማስተዳደርና ሊጥ እየሰረቁ መመገብ ለየቅል ናቸው !!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Hailat-TG,

            You are putting sunlight to the story to be seen by everyone interested to it. The deputy commander shooting in the battle with the rank and files of the army.

            Regard

    • Kaddis

      Selam Haile –

      You can see the rush to push tigray out of Ethiopia ( mentally and physically, more to disposes) whenever the issue of the current conflict resolution is raised by the clueless Amharic class; while they themselves are at the mercy of shabia, opdo and the western and gulf power brokers of the region. But they enjoy depicting they are the owners of the center. Is the center finfine? Hawassa? Debub? Jigjiga? Dessei? I dont know. It could be Ethiopian TV where they sell their narrative using public money. I really dont know. But they just dont want to see tigre, Oromo, Eritreans, Somali or Afar . Just a broken country and the Amharic empty dominance.

      The tigrayans seems to understand that. They wont leave the political economy of the entire country because its their money there. They wont.
      Bon weekend

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    The US Embassy Asmara is really after Charlie. Today, he has a treat for everyone, a Tigrigna proverb written in Tigrigna and swiped at the MoI aptly. I recommend whenever he is visiting around Eritrea, families give him a little extra good treatment to compensate his consistent exposure of PFDJ lies. Please visit the Embassy fb page for today’s takedown.

  • haileTG

    Merhaba Awatista,

    Dr. Debretsion G/Michael has an OP-ED article on the Africa Report. It can be searched under the the following title:

    Ethiopia/Tigray: A ‘balanced’ approach to Abiy’s medieval war makes a mockery of justice

    [By Debretsion Gebremichael
    Leader of Tigray’s government and the Tigray People’s Liberation Front]

    It is interesting that the by-line describes him as leader of TPLF rather than President of Tigray Region.

  • Brhan

    ሰላም በጻሐቲ መርበብ ዓዋተ

    ኣሜሪካን መሻርኽታን ሰብኣዊ ረድኤት ብቐጥታዊ በረራ ናብ ትግራይ ዝበጽሓሉ ኣማራጺ ዘትዮም
    ቅድሚ 3 ሰዓታት BBC Tigrinya 13/10/2021
    (The U.S. and its allies discuss on an alternative route for humanitarian aid to reach Tigray via direct flight)

    The Ethiopian government has not given its feedback yet on this G20 alternative. In fact, the Ethiopian gov’t is mum about the renewed war it started. It seems PMAA is following DIA’s protocol. ” Don’t say anything and just do it, or if you say do not speak about it directly” That is why the Ethiopian spokesperson did when confronted by journalists yesterday in her briefing.

    Now, to fly humanitarian aid to Tigray, G20 countries have to use a nearby country. And the best candidate can be Kenya. Kenya’s president will meet with the US president Joe Biden, and this issue can be one of their points for discussion. Sudan is close, but its current political development won’t be suitable to transfer aid. Also, it is vulnerable to DIA’s lousy work. He can add fuel to the fire in Eastern Sudan if Sudan allows it airports to the US , Canada and other G20 members.

    PMAA has no choice in front of this G20 initiative except stop the undeclared war he renewed, sit for peaceful negotiations and allow humanitarian aid to reach the suffering people of Ethiopia.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Ustaz Brhan,

      Thank you for sharing the fellow up information. If this translates to implementation phase, it can be a game changer that can have cascading effect. One thing can lead to another if any action is done by one side or in concert by the Abiy-Isayas-Amhara militia entente against humanitarian aid delivery traffic. A situation can arise that may require boots on the ground to secure personnel and assets.

      • Brhan

        Selam, our great Ustaz Ismail AA,

        I believe that the US and its allies will avoid the boots-on-the-ground scenario:
        1. TDF is capable of securing the aid flown to Tigray, Ethiopia.
        2. If the US and its allies try to implement it via the UN, China and Russia will veto it.
        3. They may see that timing is not suitable considering their controversial image created from their experiences in Afghanistan.

    • Kebessa

      Selam Brhan
      1) Can G20 fly to Tigray without permission from the Federal Govt?
      2) PM spox had briefing yesterday? Or are you referring to the text message answers she provides? (I follow her briefings and it is on Thursdays:) although she stopped lately

      • Brhan

        Selam Kebessa,

        1) ኣሜሪካን መሻርኽታን ሰብኣዊ ረድኤት ብቐጥታዊ በረራ ናብ ትግራይ ዝበጽሓሉ ኣማራጺ ዘትዮም

        መንግስቲ ኣመሪካን ካልኦት ሃገራት ምዕራብን ኣብ ልዕሊኡ ዘይግቡእ ዲፕሎማስያዊ ጸቕጢ ከምዝገብርሉ ዝገልጽ መንግስቲ ኢትዮጵያ፡ እዚ
        መግለጺኣመልኪቱ ዛጊድ ዝሃቦ ምላሽ የለን።

        Source BBC 13 ጥቅምቲ 2021, 10:47 EAT

        2)Asked if an operation had been launched, Billene Seyoum, spokeswoman for Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed, said the Ethiopian government had a responsibility to protect its citizens in all parts of the country from any acts of “terrorism.”
        Source: AJ English 11 Oct 2021.
        11 Oct was Monday: Could it be her additional or special briefing or she changed Thursdays briefings to Mondays?

        • Kebessa

          Brhan,
          Ok so I think on #1, what I think it is is that once the proposal to fly to Tigray is agreed by the donors, the next step is to approach & convince the Ethiopian govt. Otherwise it would be gross violation of a sovereign nation, unless approved by the Security council.

          • Brhan

            Kebessa,
            As you indicated, G 20 may take the alternative to SC if Ethiopia refuses to allow the direct fly to Tigray. China and Russia will choose either sovereignty or saving the lives of people.

            Texted / said. AJ used the word “said” and not “texted”. Does “said” replace “texted’ in news writing. Maybe yes or no. But the spokesperson was busy with journalists last Monday. Let see if she will be available tomorrow, Thursday.

          • Kebessa

            Brhan,
            SC agreeing is dead on arrival with China & Russia in the room. Not possible. I am sure of that.
            I think you are correct on the texted/said. May be they spoke with her on the phone. Tomorrow is big event* in Addis, so unlikely for her to show up.
            * African foreign minsters 39th session. So far 6 or so FM have arrived, it shows the decline of Ethiopia’s diplomatic power. Among the no show is of course the usual suspect – Eritrea!

          • Abi

            ሰላም ቀቤሣ
            The purpose of this meeting is to prepare the agenda for the upcoming 39th regular session.
            አጀንዳ የመቅረጫ ስብሰባ ይባላል::

            ጀጋኑ ቀቤሣ ቸኮልክ ለወቀሳ !!

          • Kebessa

            Abi, my advise is get off the sinking ship for the sake of your health. You can defend Abiy only so much. We all cheered him on the 1st couple of years but he turned out to be a big failure!

          • Abi

            Hello kebessa
            The humongous ship captained by His Excellency King of Kings Dr Abiy Ahmed Ali is sailing towards the calm waters. I’m glad you helped yourself jumped off the ship without a life jacket.
            Advice politely ignored.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Kebessa,

        Would you mind if I ask you a personal question? I note that you use “Kebessa” as virtual name for this forum. I assume you did not do that without reason. You might have noticed that I had some exchange with a good brother about Kebessa as an identifier. So, I just became curious that perhaps you may have something to say on this issue.

        With many thanks in advance.

        • Kebessa

          Selam Ismail,
          I don’t mind questions, any questions from a good man like yourself.
          I was born in a village (ገጠር) & raised in Asmara. We went to the village every year for ንግደት, passing a bunch of check points – not as ruthless as today, but checkpoints nevertheless. Looking back from exile, a lot of things fascinate me about highland Eritrea. For example, domestic trees (ቀላሚጦስ፣ ጋባ፣ ኣውሒ፣ መቒዕ፣ ዓላ፣ ቅንጭቢ…) wild trees (ዳዕሮ፣ ጎኖቕ፣ ታህሶስ፣ ወይባ፣ ዓንቋ…) shrubs (ሓረግ፣ ሰምባሃምቦ፣ ዓጥዓጥ፣ ዳንዴር፣ ኣቀናጣስ፣ መዓርምጹ፣ ኣጉለ፣ ቆንጠፍጠፈ፣ ሒሖት፣ ኣምዐ፣ ዕረ…).
          I realize the word Kebessa sometimes has negative connotation, as in ‘division’, but that’s not my intention.
          I am not a regular visitor of Awate, sometimes a week or more goes by…due to inconvenience, so I haven’t seen any of your exchanges about ‘Kebessa. I will try to search over the weekend. Thanks!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kebessa,

            Thank you so much. I share with you the memort of those good old days the natural vegetation you mentioned were every scences that gave freshness and flavor to the envirnoment.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ከበሳ,

            አብ ከተማ ዝዓበኻ ሰብ ኣግራብ/ኣእዋም ከበሳ ክሳዕ ክንድዚ ብዝርዝር ምፍላጥካ እጹብ ግርም ኢሉኒ፣፣ ንተዘክሮታተይ ከንጻባርቅ ከአ ገይርካኒ። ስለዚ ኸአ ምስጋናይ ይብጻሕካ።

          • Kebessa

            Thanks for the kind words Aman. The current fluid & turbulent situation in our region has dominated our attention and nearly monopolized the little time we have for politics, but the topic at hand is an important one that has a lot of room for expanded discussions. Regards!

        • haileTG

          Selamat Ismail,

          I too followed your exchange with Semere T on the issue. IMHO, Kebessa is dual identifier for a place and ethnicity. For the latter, wedi/gual Kebessa or deqi Kebessa refers to people of Eritrea who are from the three highland provinces and typically speak Tigrigna and implicitly assumed to be Christian. The difference I have with Semere and by and large revolutionary attitudes, is that commonly understood and accepted facets of society are ignored in favor of whatever is the fancy of the day. Proposal of change and upgrades require due acknowledging of existing usage. We cannot just dismiss it as if it never existed. The same for Metahit, except the implicit assumption in that case is that the individual is Muslim. But, it is true that the implicit assumption in both cases is not the reality we find, which we then see the latter as exceptions.

          Sorry if it sounds a bit up front, but sometimes I wonder why the current systems tend to ask us to justify the status quo.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam haile TG,

            Not at all. Far from being an up front. The Ghedli era political polarizations were also interspersed by a lot of trivialization, bastardization, freelance job to change or modify centuries old traditional/cultural customs, notions and even concepts. In the name of replacing terms from other languages, many things were adapted in curious ways. Such a trendent has continued and is going on.

            The strain on language and ideas became annoying and almost created gabs among people in understanding things. For example, a Tigrinya (actually Geez) term for a “constitution” that was well established was arbitrarily changed to “quwam”. This last term never existed before, apart from suggesting a position or stand one may take on something. The meaningful term, in essence and function, was “Hgemengsti”. Just because those in power wanted it, people simply comformed without any question. Another example among hundreds, is the term “ksad” for strategy. A word that described a topographical place between two hills or elevated terrains taken as equivalent to a strategy.

          • haileTG

            Thanks Ismail,

            Not much to add there, as you have sharply pinpointed the very problem. Such decay and disruption also has political implications. For example, Hige-Mengisti clearly implicates the current government as illegal by not being under Higi. But, to say we don’t have quam, it sounds it is us who are missing something, not the group pretending to be a government without legal parameters. Tigrigna was more than capable of framing many abstract concepts, like the book, I shared excerpts recently, by my great grand father that fully translated an abstract science as human physiology and anatomy almost 100 years ago.

            During HS, i heard that the father of the late Yemane Barya was the head of language inspection for publishing on the Hibret local news paper in Tigrinya. It was recalled that it used to be extremely difficult to have your Tigrigna article published unless your grammar, vocabulary and overall penmanship meets stringent standards under G/zmch Gebremichael who combed it through thoroughly.

            The current utter confusion is the result of the failure to stop such bastardization as you aptly put forth.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail, MoKsi, Kebessa, Semere-Tes et all

            My today’s poem
            ሃይለ(ትግ) መጸ በትሪ-ሞኮሲ ሒዙ
            ካብ ቋንቋ ናይ ብሎቲካ ቀልጢፉ ግዒዙ
            ኣብ እስማዒል ኣብ ከበሳ ተጎዝጒዙ
            ኣብ መጽሓፍ ኣባሓጉኡ ተመርኲዙ
            ይመራመር ናይ ገድላዊ-ልሳን መዘዙ

            A piece from my poem of 2 years back

            ከበሳ ከበሳ ከበሳ
            ዋይ ዛ ከበሳ
            ምስ ሰምሃር ደንከልያ መታሕት ሰቲት ተጠኒሳ
            ኤርትራ ተባሂለን ምስ ኣሕዋታ ተሓዲሳ
            ብጣልያን ሓቢረን ተሓርሳ
            ብጻዕዳ ውሽማ ዝተወርሳ
            ……
            ወይዛ ከበሳ! እንታይ እያ ብኢሳ?
            ……

            When Semere Tesfay said the below quote on Kebessa or Kabassa, he may not be far from the truth. I think it is important to dig and find out what Kebessa really mean and what is the origin(s) of the word? Who used it before the Ghedli period? etc etc. I let everyone reflect on these including Kebessa himself.

            Semere-Tes’s quote “As far as I know, the Tigrigna people never in their history identified themselves as Kebessa people. The identification of ethnic Tigrigna as Kebessa-people was introduced by ELF’s political manual – in its ethnic classification of Eritreans.”

            Here is another quote from a book by Wolde-Yesus Ammar – (ERITREA
            Root Causes of WAR & REFUGEES – Sindbad Printing Co – Baghdad 1992) from the preface of his book.
            ……..
            Certain words in use in the region like Ethiopia, Habasha, Tigre, Tigrai and Tigrayans are often confusing because of their shifting meanings, depending on the user. An attempt had been made to explain them in footnotes. In particular, the words Kabassa (plateau or highland) and Kabassans (highlanders) are extensively used here referring to the mainly Tigrigna-speaking region and people in Eritrea because of lack of a better word and in order to avoid calling them by the generic word Habasha which is not, strictly speaking, correct. This geographical reference to the Eritrean plateau also helps to distinguish the same people from the Tigrayans or Tigrigna speakers in Ethiopia. Furthermore, the adjective Christian had been prefixed whenever applicable to differentiate Kabassans of the dominant Coptic Orthodox culture from the Jabarti and Saho Moslems, most of whom are also Kabassans. …

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile,

            Thank you for adding a perspective to the discussion.
            It is true that some of the terms you have mentioned changed in meaning and application since the times of Homer and Herodotus. Their meaning to the inhabitants of the geographical places had differed from the references to them by outsiders. In far past, the shifting in meanings had no impactful relevance that much until power and politics began to interfere with them to suit the purpose of role players and politicians. It is this point that initiated this discussion about the term “Kebessa”.

            As Semere Tesfai put it, no one in the Eritrean Plateau had been obliged to use this term as community identifier. Nor was any obliged to use “Tigrinya” as identifier of an ethnic group to distinguish him/her self from the larger Tigrinya speaking inhabitants of Tigray.

            Observably, it sounds easier to the latter because of the existence of a geographic entity rooted on the language: An inhabitant of Tigray can without any complexity identified him/her self as Tigraway/Tigraweyti. On the other hand, the community that dwelled the Eritrean plateau further north did not emerge one separate entity. Our people there were distributed them in accordance to localize social settings (indatat) in define habitat (land and settlers). Actually, on and off in history each part of what later on constituted the three, by and large, Tigrinya speaking majority provinces, were had existed in one form or another as extension of parts of the imperial domains of Ethiopia, especially during period of Gondar.

            A last word, if I may, the Saho Moslems have a term they use to refer to Tigrinya speakers. They refer to them as “belen” ( not to be confused with “bilen”) , which combines language and religion: Tigrinya and Christian, interchangeably.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Ahlen Ismail AA

          Your curiosity, your energy, and your eagerness to know (learn) has no bound – which is inspiring and motivating. Well, thanks to your curiosity, your critical thinking, and your relentless questions – you made me to think long and hard about the topic. And………

          Even though I’m not an expert on the topic at hand, I’ve decided to post an article in the front page of Awate about it – in a few days. The objective being – the Hailes, you, and many other Awatistas to enrich it, expand it, and add value to it through your active participation and engagements. And who knows where that might lead to, or where that might end up

          Semere Tesfai

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere Tesfai,

            Thank you for your generosity and pleasantness, which I sincerely reciprocate. Discussing common matters without any inhibition bears useful fruits. I look, along with others, with great urge forward to read the planed article; and I wish success and joy in doing it.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    The New York Times had an article today, excerpts follow:

    “…A more consequential question now is whether Eritrea will again rally to Mr. Abiy’s side. Eritrean troops offered crucial support in the first phase of the war, until June, and faced many of the worst accusations of atrocities against civilians. The Eritreans are currently occupying Humera, a town in western Tigray, and some have deployed to Amhara, two western officials said.

    But it’s unclear if they are participating in the latest fighting.

    …But General Tsadkan, the Tigrayan commander, said he considered the autocratic leader of Eritrea, Isaias Afwerki, who is an old foe of the Tigrayans, as his greatest threat.”

    “Isaias and his army are the major spoiler in the region,” he said. “If the international community is earnestly looking for a peaceful solution, a settlement will not happen without taking care of Isaias.”

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Please check an analyst’s take on the current war in Ethiopia, search the following on youtube: [What has triggered Ethiopia’s latest assault on Tigray forces?]

    Is it a fight to the finish?

    • Berhe Y

      Hi HaileTG,

      I just listened to the video you suggested of Martin Plaute. He is saying, there is only one solution and that’s one side has to win the war.

      In the other NY times article you shared quoting General Tsadkan saying

      Isaias and his army are the major spoiler in the region,” he said. “If the international community is earnestly looking for a peaceful solution, a settlement will not happen without taking care of Isaias.”

      Remember last week I asked you, when you said TPLF focus will be North / Eritrea and you thought as soon as fires are shot IA will run away. And I said if you think, in the calculation will involve western AirPower coverage, that you said it is not needed.

      Question:
      1) What’s Tsadkan taking about when he said taking care of Isaias?
      2) Is he asking the international community to take of him, as in remove him?

      • haileTG

        Selamat Berhe,

        I see your reasoning, and the wording Tsadkan used “taken care of” has gangster feel to it. But, the US has consistently accused IA of complicating the peaceful resolution of the conflict by giving false hope to PMAA. However, interstate war between Eritrea and Tigray region of Ethiopia is something they wish to avoid at all costs. So, he may be calling on strong threats on IA to get him to stay out and remain out. Yes, this could involve bombings of Eritrean military assets that are in Tigray, I.e. in the extreme cases. But, could equally mean giving IA 48hrs to withdraw else to be apprehended as a fugitive to appear before ICC. It could mean threatening total economic blockadeand no fly zone over Eritrea. It could mean anything that forces him to abide by the international calls to withdraw verifiably and permanently. Mind you, despite IA’s mantra of being targeted for regime change, the sad truth is absolutely nobody cares if he stays for decades more. Not even TPLF as long as he stays out of Tigray and they follow the legal avenues against him. The hard truth is that Eritrean situation no longer command any external sympathy. Only Eritreans are left to do whatever. So, I don’t expect there is any chance of military intervention, except as I said last time, if IA fights in WT then Tigrayans will attempt to grab territory inside Eritrea just like Amhara.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Although some military experts here can add/correct, my reading of the current ENDF/Amhara offensive so far:

    1 – The offensive seems to have lost the surprise factor, hence unlikely to be effective.

    2 – The fact that after several publicized and unpublicized offensives, the TDF has managed to hold on to its positions. This clearly shows that it has the military upper hand , except for air force.

    3 – The big puzzle is that Tigray has been blockaded for a year now. Yet, TDF seems fully supplied with logistics, fuel and weapons. In fact, after a year of blockade it is almost impossible for any country to stand let alone conduct major wars and defend against large scale offensives.

    4 – There is little doubt now TDF is here to stay and it is a matter of time before the regional politics reflects that. IA has conclusively lost his Ethiopia enterprise, his only card is the defeat of TPLF and that is not going to happen anytime soon. What are his choices now? Sanctions, ICC, war??

    The latest chatter includes, among many, there are 3 ENDF divisions that have gone missing – dispersed into surrounding areas of the war front. Ethiopian air force has been repeatedly bombing a village in Wollo, the only problem was that they somehow didn’t know it is a village under their control. Berhanu Jula translated the Amharic word መደምሰስ into English as ዲምሲስ 🙂

    • Brhan

      Thanks haileTG for updating us with info about the war in Ethiopia
      I have also some info also to share with you:
      – The drones are missing their targets, instead they are destroying Amhara villages and farms, source Ethio 360 11/10/21 , Reiyot 6/10/21
      – The suffering of Tigrayan people is continuing as well as the Amhara. For the latter it is not only in Amhara region but also in Oromia , such as Wellega. Ethio 360 11/10/21
      – IOM has pulled its rep from Ethiopia. IOM says its rep gave an unauthorized interview. The rep depicted the TPLF as ” bad” and “cruel” . Source AJ Arabic 12/10/21

      • Abi

        Brhan
        Looks like you got demoted from your freelance work at አልጀዚራ. Now you are eagerly freelancing for the collectively demented Ethio 360 ወያኔ ቅጥረኞች.
        I’m not surprised to see like minded people scratching each other’s back.

        • Brhan

          Abi,
          አቢይ መጥተሻል*! I am happy to see you around at our great website.

          Note: : when male Amharic speaking friends are so close , they use the feminine suffix to address each other ( Abi can tell us if they stopped doing that in Addis Ababa) It is not like as in Asmara that we use it to demote a male person.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            You never fail to confuse me.
            Only people who are confused about their sexual orientation call a man as a woman. You have successfully came out of your dark corner.
            Congratulations!

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            I thought you speak Addis Ababa Amharic. That is how I heard male friends in Addiss Ababa talk when I was there during the Derg times. Correct me if I am wrong.

    • Abi

      ኃይልዬ ወዳጄ
      The frequency of your posts here are matched only by the ever incoherent public announcements ( ዝባዝንኬ) of the Tplf thugs.
      Your reporting From the belly of the dead should earn you the coveted Pulitzer Prize!!

      • haileTG

        Abichu wendmie,

        I rarely comment on social media, that is why you see all my online communications at Awate, ያለኝን ሁሉ እዚህ ነው የምዘረግፈው 🙂 BTW I am now speaking for the innocent people of Amhara on whose towns and villages is this senseless war being conducted. The Amhara region is very impoverished by all accounts and what is happening to their few infrastructure and poor people is unacceptable. IA and PMAA have no care for such truth, it is time to think critically.

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          ኧረ በስመአብ በል!!
          ኃይልሽ ለአማራ ህዝብ ማሰብ ከጀመረ አርማጌዶን የመድረሱ ማረጋገጫ ነው::
          መቼም ከላይ የጫጫርከውን ጉድ እንኳን እኔ አንተም እንደማታምንበት ጥርጣሬ የለኝም::
          ምነው ፍርሃት ፍርሃት ይለኛል? ደህናም አይደለህ እንዴ አንተዬ!

          • haileTG

            Abichu,

            I am always on the side of ህዝብ! Amhara ህዝብ, Tigray ህዝብ, Ethiopia ህዝብ, Eritrea ህዝብ … All people are innocent except the political elites who think ህዝብ is only valuable when their ambitions are met. That is the problem missing humanities in the general 101 courses of Awate Uni. When did you ever saw me singing for leaders? The question to you is why do you not think the same about Tigray ህዝብ and call for lifting of blockade and power sharing:-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            I have defended the people of Tigray until you and Samiti convinced me that Tplf and the people of Tigray are one and the same.
            Now, I care less about Tigray and its people. Actually, I want all the thugs who ventured into the Amhara lands to remain six feet under the Amhara lands. The major difference between Your Greatness and I is I don’t pretend to be nice.
            ተስፋፊውን የትግራይ ህዝብ ተገቢውን ምላሽ ሰጥቶ ተገቢውን ቦታ ማስያዝ የግድ ይላል::
            I don’t know what blockage you are talking about?
            የአማራ ሊጥ ለሚጠጡ ወራዶች ምን እርዳታ ያስፈልጋል?

          • haileTG

            Selamat Abichu,

            Anger was considered as a form of madness by the Roman philosopher Seneca. The reason is that anger is an intrinsically mistaken attitude, since it is infected with a backward-looking “payback wish” that is vengeful and destructive. Though your initial anger might have been reasonable, you tend to end up with a policy of unending disproportionate revenge as paradigmatically irrational as possible. The correct response to any setback or injustice should be forward-looking, i.e. preventing similar events from occurring in the future. The easy way to tell if your anger is healthy and right is to check for whose suffering you are angry about. If it is for your own, then it is selfish anger and usually leads to intentions to be cruel, and to do harm or evil. Being angry for the suffering of others is healthy, rational and leads to kind acts that seek to do good for others.

            Review the above, test on Friday:-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            I’m angry and frustrated that the disgraced and ሊጥ ገልባጭ Tigrean conscripts are still walking on the Amhara lands instead of decaying six feet under.
            I’m angry for the suffering of the Ethiopians in the hands of the ever disgusting and ungrateful people of Tigray. Now that is what the Greatest Awatista calls healthy and rational anger.

          • haileTG

            Abichu,

            ሊጥ ኣትብሉኝ ኣላለ፣ መሬቱም ኣትርገጡኝ እስካላለ ታድያ ኣንተን ምን ቆጨህ? ሊጥ ለወሰደብህ ድፎ ዳቦ ጋግረህ ስጥ፣ መሬትህ ለረገጠ ደሞ እጅ ነስተህ ተቀበል! ቁጭት ምን ይሰራል። እግዚኣብሔር ያከበረው ኣንተም ኣክብረው – ወያኔ ይኼ ሁሉ ሃይል ያገኘው የሰው ኣይደለም። ነቃ በል ኣትናደድ። የኛ ያክል ብትገረፍ ምን ልትል ነበር።

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ዛሬስ ያለወትሮህ ፈዘህብኛል:: ይህ ውድ ወይን አሳሳተህ እንዴ?
            “ውሃ ሲወስድ አሳስቆ
            ከእንጀራ አራርቆ” ብሏል ያገሬ አስተዋይ!

            ኃይልዬ
            እኔ ወዳጅህ በመልክ እንጂ በግብር ክርስቶስን አልመስልም::
            ሊጥ ሲሰርቁኝ ዳቦ ጋግሬ አላቀርብም:: ከላይና ከታች እንደ ድፎ ዳቦ እሳት ነው የምለቅበት:: ፈሳቸውን ጉም ነው የምናስመስለው!!

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG and Abi,

          Abi first for the fun part. Have you see Alex Isak goal couple of days ago for the World Cup qualifying against Kosovo.

          I rarely comment on social media, that is why you see all my online communications at Awate, ያለኝን ሁሉ እዚህ ነው የምዘረግፈው 🙂

          I know you said, you don’t comment on social media but I am wondering if you read / watch a couple of items that I would like you to comment on.

          1) Jeff Pearce and the leaked conversation he was having which appear to be UN employee with regards to the UN operations in Ethiopia and in relationship with UN NY and TPLF influences.

          2) What do you think about the petition (those pro TPLF) and counter petition (by those against TPLF) that’s going on to have a CBC reporter Hermela Aregawi of Tigray decent.

          The reason I ask is, I want to know if you do actually try to listen other side (other than TPLF) side story.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            Yes, I actually follow things extensively, except, it is pointless to engage in those platforms because once you write a comment, it is gone with the post. While here at awate it is possible to search past archives and keep building your history of engagement. Otherwise, I consume all sources, ignore the less useful and share the interesting one’s.

            Now, you say “…other than TPLF side story”? You know that is not true, but the PMAA and PFDJ side is extremely falsified in my experience. This is not taking sides, except I believe that false information may serve immediate purpose but ends up being very damaging in the longer run. Right now TDF side is relatively reasonable source of accurate information IMHO.

            1) To some extent the claims in the audio records may be true. The employee was giving her opinion/belief that there may be a different approach in the higher up. That was expressed as her suspicion without any firm evidence. The UN finds it difficult to work in conflict areas as it is. Its staff members are killed and injured from time to time. It is reasonable that they took the steps they did. Ultimately, local reps are in cahoots with local governments, which is also not good. Fortunately, I don’t hope or wish harm to TPLF or other Ethiopians, so I try to stick to independent evaluation of situations without vested interests or being subservient to pre-defined agenda.

            2) I don’t support any action to silence the right of expression. So, whether I agree or disagree with Hermela’s points of view, I respect, and so should everyone do, her right to air her views. We have seen the PMAA group failed attempts to sideline Dr. Tedros, which is not good either.

            The problem we face now is that many have abandoned principles, such has become a breeding ground of madness and turmoil. I reject invasion means I reject it to whomever it happens. I support justice means I want it for everyone. Principle demands that what is good for me is also good for everyone else. If someone supports the blockade of Tigrayans to defeat TPLF, they should equally support the same when the tables are turned around.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            “ If someone supports the blockade of Tigrayans to defeat TPLF, they should equally support the same when the tables are turned around.”

            I wish you the above statement was presented as a Question, to check how the hypocrites and unprincipled could answer the question.

            Regard

          • Abi

            Berhe
            Thanks for the heads up. I just watched the highlights.
            An individual skill and composure with a great placement. Have you noticed the ball was not rotating?
            That kid has a brighter future!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Football crazy like you notice these kinds of ball movements.

            Right now Sweden is playing against Greece and the score is 2 – 0 where Alex just scored.

            I did not watch the game live with Kosovo but was watching the highlight. I showed my daughter and she was saying “wow that’s amazing” and then she said “that’s Isak” and I said yeah. He was doing all that, she said. “I thought it was some other guy”.

            Look it up the match against Spain about a month ago.

            His skills, ball control, quickness and decisiveness plus his power (he is quite tall for a footballer 6.4) makes a very good combination as a striker.

            Sweden is in good position in their qualifying match, specially if they win today. And I think the excitement and atmosphere must be great for Eritrean, Ethiopian, East African and African and black.

            I am sure he is creating a lot of positive influence, and it’s good that our names are associated with something positive.

          • Abi

            Berhe
            I couldn’t watch the game today. I was busy attending Anger Management class with the angriest professor aka Haile the Gangista!

            Looks like your daughter is smarter than her father. How is she doing in school? It takes a term or a semester to adjust to the work load at the AP classes. This is the time she needs all the encouragement and support. As I told you before, it is perfectly alright if she doesn’t make her bed every morning.
            Tell her I said አጆኪ !!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I didn’t watch the game but were checking the score board, where he scored as well. He is on scoring streak, last three games.

            I hope she is smarter than her dad. She is doing good considering it was a tough year with covid and remote learning last year. But she is happy back to school and getting on and so far so good. I remember your advice about clean room very well:). I will tell her one day it’s because if you that I was so patient, and I will.

            Hailish drive my heart rate high sometimes but I am learning to “let it go:)”, as it’s more than two full time job to keep up with him, which on good old days only Saay can master.

          • Abi

            Berhe
            Glad to hear that your daughter is doing great!!

            What is so Great and unique about ተስፈኛ ኃይልሽ is his ability and tenacity to freelance for different western media outlets in addition to his regular job at TMH.
            Learn to skip his comments or make sure to practice a one minute “moment of silence” before and after you read his comments.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            make sure to practice a one minute “moment of silence” before and after you read his comments.

            This is the best quote of the week for me.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      Reports are told that TDF is gaining areas on the Afar region and on the Amara region. On the Mersa fronts ENDF are decimated and are withdrawing towards Dessie, and hence a curfew is enforced in Dessie. TDF is regaining the area they have withdrawn two weeks ago around Dessie. Rumors are leaking that TDF and OLF have joined hand on the north eastern of Dessie. Even with all sorts of modern weaponry procurement and hundreds of thousands recruitments, ENDF can not gain an inch so far. They are transferring thousands of POWs with trucks to Mekelle. A forced recruitments do not win a war. ዝሓረነን፣ ነብሰ-ተበግሶ ዘለዎን፤ ንመስዋእቲ ድልዊ ዝኾነ፤ ህዝቢ ጥራይ እዩ ዝስዕር።

      Regard

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Forum participants:

    AJ English reported an hour ago about fighting being intensified in Ethiopia today. AJ, which has an office in Finfinne*, Ethiopia, says it received this info about the resumption of the war from GR but not yet from the Ethiopian gov’t side. “No immediate comment from the Ethiopian gov’t,” says AJ.

    AJ interviewed Samuel Getaches, who was is now Semara, Afar region, a few minutes ago, and he said this is a ” Defining moment.”

    The Ethiopian government’s recent announcement is the issue of conducting inclusive dialogue among Ethiopians and not the resumption of the war.

    There seem to be differences between the Ethiopian federal government and the Amhara regional state about what to do regarding Amhara lands occupied by TPLF.

    The officials of the Amhara region may want A. Ahmed Ali to kick off the inclusive dialogue after liberating their lands, but the 7th king knows his military is exhausted.

    He is facing pressure not only from the international community but also from the inside. Reports are coming that soldiers from other regional states such as the Somali region are returning to their area.

    Here, DIA’s side is more to the Amhara region former than the A. Ahmed Ali, answering your earlier question of whether Eritrea can be a mediator.

    The resumption of war by the Amhara officials is nothing except saving their faces.

    *Adiss Ababa (Amharic) is also known as Finfinne (Oromo: “natural spring”). I use it alternatively to make my Oromo friends happy. But the two have to settle down from the cycle.

    • haileTG

      Selamat Brhan,

      On the Amhara regional vs. Federal differences, I have slightly cynical view (could be wrong). If we look at the issue, the ENDF is accusing the Amhara regional forces/administration of speaking too early about planned offensive. They further claim that due to such publicizing of the sensitive military plans:

      1 – TDF was able to prepare defensive positions and made ENDF and allied forces pay heavy price.

      2 – The aerial bombardment that was supposed to prelude the ground offensive was undermined because TDF managed to arrange cover beforehand.

      Now, such accusations are grave but really don’t make sense because the information shared by the Amhara regional offices was no more than general in nature. Secondly, it would be foolish underestimation of TDF to believe that it bases its movements on tweeter and fb chatter. TDF has its own military reconnaissance units that feed it the needed information in the battle field.

      So, what could be the real motive for such strange accusation soon after PMAA assumed office? PMAA knows he can’t win this war but Amhara blood helped him to maintain it until he has got the political power he wanted. Based on his well established trait of betrayal, it is now time to betray the Amhara regional forces. This war will not continue for a week longer without the huge price the Amhara are paying due to their land dispute. The recent aerial bombings were concentrated on Amhara towns, none in Tigray. Some reports indicate that the town of Mersa is totally gutted out by carpet bombing. Why so much careless attacks on Amhara towns when even the TPLF withdrew from Tigrayan cities and towns quickly to avoid them being a war zone? Is PMAA now trying to undermine the Amhara state and distance himself from their cause? When some EDF members came to Gondar, it was reported that they went to looting and black market money exchange. That had caused a conflict with local Amhara fano but the federal was only observing from distance. PMAA may now pull towards the Oromo regional forces and if he loses this current adventure, he may enter into peace negotiations. You need to understand that when a power hungry leader like him is weak, he will be the first to sing peace. But, the Amhara will fight even at a cost of so much death and distraction they are going through. IA/PFDJ can only be at the side of Amhara state because if they withdraw from WT then he is geographically isolated. More so, the Amhara may calm down and scale back their military quest. That means IA and PMAA no longer have a shared interest.

      Hence, my take on the current open accusation of Amhara state by the federal is more cynical than taking it at face value.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat-TG,

        The war is extremely intensified, and actually TDF has taken strategic mountains between Mersa and Dessie (north eastern of Dessie) pushing towards Dessie. There is a clip that shows new POWs from the current military campaign of ENDF/EDF. Imagine if these prisoners were from TDF, they would have been killed and burned. I have no doubt and no matter what could be the numbers of the POWS there should be POWs from TDF in the Year long civil war of Ethiopia. I haven’t seen POWs displayed by the ENDF/EDF sides. I don’t know if I miss any. What do you think?

        Regard

        • haileTG

          Selamat Aman H,

          I haven’t seen any (except a few individuals 4 or 5 once). Either way it is bad, i.e. if they are putting them down it is bad and if they don’t have any, it shows they aren’t a match.

          The current offensives appear to be the final attempts. It would probably change the trajectory. What is interesting is that the intl community is being silent and waiting to see the result. Where is the US E.O. that was supposed to impose sanctions on the war initiators? Whoever comes out victorious from the current bout of conflict will dictate the negotiation terms. I too hear that the scale of fighting extremely large and so are the causalities.

          • Brhan

            Hello Amanuel and haileTG,
            An update to AJ news that I shared:

            1) Asked if an operation had been launched, Billene Seyoum, spokeswoman for Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed, said the Ethiopian government had a responsibility to protect its citizens in all parts of the country from any acts of “terrorism”.

            “The government of Ethiopia will continue to counter the TPLF’s destruction, violence and killings in the Amhara region and elsewhere,” she added, without elaborating.

            2) Samuel Getachew, an independent journalist, said the government had been preparing for this moment for a while.

            “There was mobilization going on. In Amhara region, for instance, it was an open secret – and this is a defining moment that the Ethiopian government has been saying is forthcoming,” Getachew told Al Jazeera from Ethiopia’s Semera. “It is expected to be bloody.”

            3)According to Getachew, the British government asked its citizens to avoid the Tigray region earlier on Monday, which may signal there will be an offensive “in the days to come”.

            “The objective [of the Ethiopian government] is to prevent the TPLF from having a chance to govern Tigray – they just want to kill or eliminate the essence of the TPLF,” he said.

            “The Abiy administration has said eliminating the TPLF will become a priority for the government.”

            Meanwhile, Getachew (Reda), the TPLF spokesperson, said the Ethiopian military – with the support of Amhara special forces – “launched coordinated offensives on all fronts”. He said there was fighting in the Amhara region’s Wegeltena, Wurgessa and Haro towns.
            “Our forces have no other option than to defend their people,” the Tigray statement said.

            haileTG, Arkey , the Ethiopian gov’t response came late but ambiguous. It tells the gov’t can’t declare war openly because:
            1) It doesn’t want to be antagosntic to its unilateral cease fire it announced. What will be its face in the World: it is either keep what you say or declare war?
            2) The gov’t seems that it can’t win the war so why it declare it openly. When it faces setbacks come, the gov’t will say, like Eleni, we were not at war, we were just protecting our citizens
            3) Samuel Getachew seems the real Ethiopian gov’t spokes person

  • Aman Y.

    Selam Haw HTG

    I heard ,earlier today, Abiy accepted Salva Kirr’s mediation. Salva Kirr sounds frastrated with Abiy. Here, he talks about Gerds mediation.
    South Sudan’s Salva Kiir says in Cairo visit Ethiopian PM failed to keep negotiations promise.

    https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/108698/South-Sudan-s-Salva-Kiir-says-in-Cairo-visit-Ethiopian

    • Aman Y.

      ”Kiir added that Ahmed is “not in a position” to start negotiations because the opposition is fighting him.”

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    If the renowned French philosopher Voltaire was around he would have said “if Ethiopians are cousins across ethnicities, that “no one could treat their relatives more horribly”! It is hard to imagine why the PMAA regime finds it plausible to shut all avenues to a peaceful dialog. Clearly, the military approach in the Tigray conflict is unwinnable and the war is fought at a great cost to the country and its long term interests. To be certain about a thing or an outcome is not possible. Again, Voltaire once met a clergy who told him that the latter was certain about the validity of his faith. Voltaire wondered “how could some one be so stupid as to know something fully.” It is the partial knowledge and partial confusion, which we hold, that allows us to change ways, compromise and try new paths. To be convinced of one’s position is equivalent to death, because that someone assumes they have the ultimate mystery solved and is explained fully by their own reasoning alone. That is as childish as it gets and the end is never great. After all the failed assumptions, the deliberate misinformation, excessive loss of lives, damage to property, regressing developmental milestones and utterly failing to progress on the battlefield, PMAA should stop and ponder why. He should find ways he can engage in peaceful negotiations in good faith and save Ethiopia and the region from an inevitable catastrophe that his path entails.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate
    Good news

    ወግዓዊ ይቕሬታ መንግስቲ ሊብያ
    ብውድብ ሕቡራት ሃገራት ኣፍልጦ ዘለዎ ሓድነታዊ መንግስቲ ሊብያ፡ ነቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ስደተኛታት ኽወርድ ዝቐነየ ግህዕታት ወግዓዊ ይቕሬታ ሂቡ።

    ብመሰረት መግለጺ መንግስቲ ሊብያ፡ እዞም ዝስዕቡ ዉሳኔታት ኽስረሓሎም ምዃኑ እዩ።
    1) ተኣሲሮም ዘለዉ ስደተኛታት ክፍትሑ ፡ንዝተጎድኡ ድማ ግቡእ ሕክምና ክግበረሎም። ብተመሳሳሊ እዉን ፡ ኣብ ቱኒዝያ ዝርከቡ ክፍትሑን ዝተጎድኡ ውን ግቡእ ሕክምና ክግበረሎምን።

    2)ናብ ሃገሮም ብፍቓዶም ክምለሱ ዝደልዩ ስደተኛታት ጠለባቶም ኽማለኣሎም፣ ዜጋታተይ ክወስድ እየ ንዝበለት ሃገር ድማ ዝግባእ ምትሕብባር ኽግበር

    3) ክቕበሎም እየ ዝበለት ሃገር እንተሃልያ ቅልጡፍ መስርሕ ኸሳለጠሎም

    4) ኣብ ሊብያ ክጸንሕ እየ ዝበለ ድማ ናብ ንቡር ሂወቱ ክምለስ ኽግበር

    5) ናይ ርዋንዳን ኒጀርን ምስ ሰበስልጣን እተን ሃገራት ብምዝርራብ ምስግጋር ክንቅጽል
    6) ከምኡ’ውን ኣበይ ከምዝኣተዉ ዛጊት ናይ ዘይተረጋገጸ ኣስታት 3000 ስደተኛታት ደሃይ ኣብ ምርካብ ክስራሕ ከምዝኾነ ኣዩ ተሓቢሩ ዘሎ።

    ምንጪ https://www.facebook.com/ERISATTelevision

  • haileTG

    Hello Awatista,

    “Nadia Abdel Rahman came to Libya three years ago from Eritrea via Sudan with her husband, her son and her sister, brother-in-law and nephew, hoping to reach Europe by sea.

    She said her husband had been seized by criminals who demanded a ransom but killed him even though she paid. Her brother-in-law died at sea when attempting to cross the Mediterranean.

    She was arrested last week in the crackdown, she said. “We only want one thing, and that is to not live in Libya,” she said.”

    https://news.yahoo.com/migrants-libya-fearful-angry-crackdown-175745884.html

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,

    “Addis Standard” has reported yesterday, October 9, that “The National Electoral Board of Ethiopia (NEBE) today announced the results of the South West referendum revealing that majority of voters have voted in favor of the formation of the new regional state that comprises Kaffa, Sheka, Bench Sheko, Dawuro and West Omo Zones, as well as Konta Special district”.

    According to the number of votes in favor of establishing a regional state is overwhelming. The South West State will be the 11th after the Sidama State the recently preceded it. The most important part of the new state the inclusion within it of Kaffa, whose history as an independent kingdom until its incorporation to Menelik’s empire around 1913 is still reminiscent in memories of the people there under its Aba Jiffar rulers.

    Dr. Abiy comes from that region. Actually, from a village in the coffee rich Awgaro zone not distant from Jimma, the administrative capital of the region. Moreover, the significance of this event is that it comes as indicator of the rejection of relapsing back to the defunct Habesha-centered centralization system of governance as an embodiment subjugator ideological baggage from which the conquered communities in the south had suffered so much, as did the peasantry in the regions of Habesha proper.

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Ismail,

      I was following some media reports about is recently – how they felt left out and neglected. It also shows you that the legal-political capacity to do so speedily and efficiently is credit to EPRDF that developed suchlike undertakings in Ethiopia. Many multinational companies investing in HoA see this as a good thing btw.

      An unrelated question though, in what meaning did you use the term “Habesha” in your entry. I am sure you are more clearer than me on this one with your knowledge of Ethiopia. Does Habesha:

      – Strictly apply to Tigray
      – Semitic languages speaking highland Ethiopia and Eritrea
      – Semitic languages speaking and Christian highland Ethiopia (including Eritrea)
      – Amhara and Tigray people

      There is/was a slogan by PFDJista some years back that said “I am not habesha, I am Eritrean”. I think they obviously took the restrictive (non-intrusive) meaning of habesha IMHO. I wonder what moxi thinks as well – he has been hiding lately since the latest bouts of cross-fires on awate on Tigray war:-)

      • Haile S.

        Selam MoKsi,

        During my childhood our house was in front of the livestock market. Every time Hamasien football team wins the street was filled with stick branding sew engorged Anseba herders saying ሓማ በል ክትድረር. For fear of getting crashed under their foit I stayed at home till the street clears to play my ball made of plastic and stockings. Now when the viva-TDF (ትዲፎ ትዕወት) folks dominate the forum, I stay away to preserve my head 😁

        On Habesha, please read my exchanges with SGJ (and of others in the thread) linked here

        http://awate.com/abreha-the-adulisian-and-the-soi-disant-agazians/#comment-3247222835

        • haileTG

          Selamat Moksi,

          Good to know you’re safe:-) One commonly used call during elections in the west, as you know, is that no matter who you vote for, get out there and vote. Democracy needs you, not your affiliations. I understand life next to livestock market, behind a soccer stadium calls for extra care, but you don’t want to be inside the cage and the livestock guarding the cage 🙂

          Nice discussion on what you linked. Two quick questions:

          1 – You talked of a need for common identifier, whose need was that? So, who is credited with the term?

          2 – The Ge’ez ሐበሠተ means Habesha, what time frame are we speaking of in terms of its origination? From your statement in the link, the advent of Italian rule seems to be the start of its wide usage.

          • Haile S.

            MoKsi

            ዕላልን ደሊኽን ዓወተን ጸሊእክን: ኣይክኣልን ኮይኑኒ እምበር……

            First have fun watching this video.
            https://youtu.be/UKGwFIN7cPY

            To your first question – I don’t mean the name Habesha was brought at that time. I was referring to its common intensive usage and acceptance as normal by the people.

            The people that use the name Habesha were principally, outsiders, travellers and merchants. Based on the writings of european travellers I read, the concerned “habesha” people never liked to be called Habesha.

            As to the origin, it is said to originate from south Yemen from the people called Habashat (Conti Rosini and Enno Lttmann cited by Sir Wallid Budge in Nubia smd Abyssinia 1928). Budge also cites others who proposed the word ሓበሻ came from ዋሻ (the people of troglotidica), but he was not convinced himself.

            HTG, this Habesha thingy has been discussed on several occassions on the forum, I will stop it here.

          • Brhan

            Selam Haile S
            Abyssinia (derived from the Arabic al-Habash),
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Empire

          • haileTG

            Thanks Moxi,

            Mindful of the the difficulty in available resources, I find your hypothesis more acceptable than the various one’s there are floating out there. Just when I was to agree to move on, you brought up troglotidica (meaning barbarians), goodness! What’s wrong with some historians? No wonder our forefathers refused to write any history:-)

        • Abi

          ሊቀመኳስ
          You are wise.
          ከሊቁ እስከደቂቁ ውለው የሚያድሩት የኢትዮጵያን ዜና ሲቃርሙ : ህወሃትን ሲያጀግኑ ነው::
          One thing excruciatingly painful to me is skipping HTG’s comments. Reading them will definitely kill me!
          I chose the lesser evil, skipping his comments.

          • haileTG

            Abichu,

            A wise Amhara adage says “እራሴን በምላሴ ካላንቆላንጰላንጠስኩ ማን ያንቆላንጰላንጥስልኛል”:-) I have never spoken against peace and justice, but since the powerful TDF started whipping you, you rained your accusations on me. If it wasn’t for your calming songs, you’d have killed me first.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            “እከክ የሰጠ ጥፍር አይነሳም”
            “Powerful TDF”? ጨዋታ ጨምረሃል!

        • Saleh Johar

          Hailat,
          I see a problem with our references. Sometimes I see contradicting narrations. On one side, by westerners, and on the other, by scholars from our region. You can see the cultural (and interpretation) of the history. Then comes the Solomonic version only to stand because of respected scholars like Hableselassie and Lapiso Dilepa, and to some extent Zewde Retta. I have flipped through many but I find the Yemeni version more palatable and supported by the vast archeology. I have been to many historical museums but non impressed me as the Yemeni museums. Also, I think Muslim historians are way better than the rest. Because their history is based on ancient Judaism and Christianity which is their legacy and less likely to be motivated by faith, at least in the ancient part of it. 18th and 19th century writers are more about advancing religious propaganda — all of them. Too politicized. I think.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Habesha peoples (Ge’ez: ሐበሠተ, romanized: Ḥäbäśät or Ḥabäśät[1]; Amharic: ሐበሻ, አበሻ, romanized: Häbäša, ‘äbäša; Tigrinya: ሓበሻ, romanized: Ḥabäša; etymologically related to English “Abyssinia” and “Abyssinians” by way of Latin) is an ethnic (or pan-ethnic) identifier frequently employed to refer to Semitic language-speaking peoples mainly found in the highlands of Ethiopia and Eritrea. Historically, the term was applied to predominantly Christian groups, and this usage remains common today. The term is used in varying degrees of exclusion and inclusivity: Most commonly, it includes all highland Semitic language-speaking Christians; sometimes it is employed in an expanded sense to include Muslim communities as well as Christians. At the extremes, the term is currently sometimes employed in a restrictive sense to only refer to speakers of Tigrinya, while recently, some within diasporic communities have adopted the term to refer to all people of Eritrean or Ethiopian origin.

            “1. – Are you serious Mahmuday? “If an Eritrean Tigrigna speaking community or a person wants to reject Tigrigna as a group identifier, then there is a choice. It’s called Tigrawaay. I either have to accept the [PFDJ] proclamation and accept Tigrinya as an identifier or I will be considered Tigraway, which means non-Eritrean, which means Kaffir if we use the Selefi description, which means my blood is Halal for anyone to shed, at least on the political sense?” Saleh Johar

            So Saleh: Does being a Habesha make one a Kafir? That is exactly a verse from the preaching of Islamists and Jihadists – or simply Awate’s (this website’s) everyday preaching. Nothing new here.

            2. – FYI, Habesha is not faith; it is a collective name given to a diverse people who call home, a certain area of the Horn Region. Habesha doesn’t have political boundary. It crosses international boundaries. To be a Habesha, you don’t have to be Ethiopian or an Eritrean. And if you’re Ethiopian or Eritrean, you’re not necessarily Habesha. For some, the name Habesha and Abyssinian were/are interchangeable. Most Arabs – regardless of faith, still call people from our Horn Region Habesh – including to you. That is a fact

            Habesha ≠ Nationality. Habesha ≠ faith. I semere Tesfai, am a proud Eritrean, a proud ethnic Tigrigna, and a proud Habesha. There is no conflict there.

            3. – The fact that Tigrinya as an identifier was imposed through a [PFDJ] proclamation, makes it unacceptable to me–remember the PFDJ have baptized me Tigrinya and I am tired of trying to make them understand, I speak Tigrinya but I do not call myself Tigrinya.” Saleh Johar

            So, Saleh: you don’t want to be identified as ethnic Tigrigna; and you don’t want to be identified as Habesha. I get it. But how do you want to be identified (addressed)? I know you don’t like it and I know you live a life of – denial, self-hatred, self-loathing, and self-denigrating. But, but, but, but the cold truth is – the best ዋጣ, the best ኣባ-ጓይላ, the best dancers, the best Tigrigna speakers, and the best modern and traditional Tigrigna musicians, actors, writers, movie directors, producers. the best ethnic Tigrigna clothing designers and makers …….. known in the Eritrean Tigrigna culture are Jebertis. And I dare you to to dispute that.

            4. – Most people in the world identify themselves by the language they speak. For Example: English the language and English the people; French the language and French the people; Spanish the language and Spanish the people; Somali the language and Somali the people; Amargna the language and Amara the people; Oromgna (Oromofia) the language and Oromo the people; Tigrayt the language and Tigre the people;…… And the same goes with Bilen, Nara, Kunama, Afar…….. Now tell me: what is wrong if Eritrean Tigrigna speaking people – including the Jebertis – call themselves Tigrigna?
            Now for the pricking one:
            “If an Eritrean Tigrigna speaking community or a person wants to reject Tigrigna as a group identifier, then there is a choice. It’s called Tigrawaay. ”

            5. – I know it is not going to change your perspective on Eritrean ethnic Tigrignas and on the Habesha people as a whole. But for the benefit of our readers, let me leave you with the explanation of Wikipedia, to the diverse meaning, word origin, and who the Habesha and Abyssinian people are.

            Habesha peoples (Ge’ez: ሐበሠተ, romanized: Ḥäbäśät or Ḥabäśät[1]; Amharic: ሐበሻ, አበሻ, romanized: Häbäša, ‘äbäša; Tigrinya: ሓበሻ, romanized: Ḥabäša; etymologically related to English “Abyssinia” and “Abyssinians” by way of Latin) is an ethnic (or pan-ethnic) identifier frequently employed to refer to Semitic language-speaking peoples mainly found in the highlands of Ethiopia and Eritrea. Historically, the term was applied to predominantly Christian groups, and this usage remains common today. The term is used in varying degrees of exclusion and inclusivity: Most commonly, it includes all highland Semitic language-speaking Christians; sometimes it is employed in an expanded sense to include Muslim communities as well as Christians. At the extremes, the term is currently sometimes employed in a restrictive sense to only refer to speakers of Tigrinya, while recently, some within diasporic communities have adopted the term to refer to all people of Eritrean or Ethiopian origin.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere Tesfai,

            Preempting what Saleh may have to say here, I would like to ask you a question: Does nationality dismantle a common name?

            Until the question of nationalities was catapulted to prominence in our region, especially when Ethiopia under the EPRDF had adopted ethnicity as measure of demarcation of regional boundaries, the Tigrinya language in Eritrea became ethnicity identifier. The general reference hitherto among the inhabitants of the highlands was “Kebessa” to distinguish themselves from the inhabitants of the lowland. As myself a Kebessan, I never heard Tigrinya used as identifier of the whole community. Ordinary folks referred to the term “habesha” as a general cultural-social identifier, which transcended the southern state political boundaries. The term “tigraway” was the traditional general identifier that did not entail nationality and citizenship. The term “tigraway included the Tigrinya speakers in Eritrea and Tigray.

            So, I wonder why it is not suitable for an Eritrean Tigrinya speaks themselves as Tigrawot, since it has no effect on their nationality as proud citizens of Eritrea. The Eritrean swill simply remain Eritreans, as Tigrayan in Tigray will not change their being Ethiopians.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Ismail AA

            1. – Ismail: you are dwelling into side issues to deflect the argument from the current topic. Which is the daily Habesha bashing, Habesha denigrating, Habesha vilifying, Habesha trashing of this website. This is what Saleh Johar said:

            “If an Eritrean Tigrigna speaking community [Jeberti] rejects Tigrigna as a group identifier, then there is a choice. It’s called Tigrawaay. I [as a Jeberti] either have to accept the [PFDJ] proclamation and accept Tigrinya as an identifier or I will be considered Tigraway, which means non-Eritrean, which means Kaffir if we use the Selefi description, which means my blood is Halal for anyone to shed, at least on the political sense”.

            Now, I would love to see you – focus and stay on topic – and have a clear position on the topic at hand. As far as the rest of your question, I’m going to give you my personal perspective out of respect to you – not because they are related to the topic at hand. And these are my answers to your questions:

            2. – I would like to ask you [Semere Tesfai] a question: Does nationality dismantle a common [ethnic origin/ identity] name?

            Absolutely not. One can identify him/herself as a Spanish and still be a proud Mexican, Cuban, Colombian, Argentinian, Venezuelan, Chilean, or a Spaniard…… And you can say the same with Habesha, ትግራዎት, Arabs, Bantu………..

            3. – “Until the question of nationalities was catapulted to prominence in our region, especially when Ethiopia under the EPRDF had adopted ethnicity as measure of demarcation of regional boundaries, the Tigrinya language in Eritrea became ethnicity identifier.”

            That’s not true. And let me explain
            A. – EPRDF Ethiopia never adopted a pure “ethnicity as measure of demarcation of regional boundaries”. Never. There were Non-Tigrigna speaking Ethiopians in Tigray Region; there were Non-Amharic speaking Ethiopians in Amara Region; there were Non-Oromofia speaking Ethiopians in Oromo Region……..

            B. – In EPRDF Ethiopia, Administrative Regions (ክልሎች) were formed, ethno-linguistic identity of a majority community as a criteria.

            C. – In Eritrea, Ethnicity is classified by the language a given community speaks. And Administrative Regions are formed geographical landscape and maximum ethnic diversity as a criteria.

            3. – “The general reference hitherto among the inhabitants of the highlands was “Kebessa” to distinguish themselves from the inhabitants of the lowland.”

            As far as I know, the the Tigrigna people never in their history identified them selves as Kebessa people. The identification of ethnic Tigrigna as Kebessa-people was introduced by ELF’s political manual – in its ethnic classification of Eritreans.
            And this is the problem with the classification of ethnic Tigrigna as Highlanders (ሰብ ኣድብር/ ሰብ ሙርተፈዓት) and identifying the rest of Eritreans by their ethno-linguist identity.

            A. – What is Kebessa? Is it a land or people? In Eritrea, were does Kebessa start and end? Are Sahel and Senhit Kebessa? Are the Bilen, the Saho, the Kebessa Tigres, and the Jeberits all ethnic Kebessa?

            4. – “So, I wonder why it is not suitable for an Eritrean Tigrinya speaks themselves as Tigrawot, since it has no effect on their nationality as proud citizens of Eritrea. The Eritrean swill simply remain Eritreans, as Tigrayan in Tigray will not change their being Ethiopians.”

            As far as I’m concerned there is no inconsistency contradiction or conflict there. You can be a Tigraway (Tigrigna speaker) and still be a proud Ethiopian/Eritrean as the same time. You can be a Kunama, Afar, Saho and still be a proud Ethiopian/Eritrean at the same time. You can be Hidareb (Bdawet/Bija) and still be a proud Sudanese/Eritrean at the same time. No inconsistency there.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Semere Tesfai,

            The respect sincerely mutual; and I appreciate your sober and calm engagement. Having written that, I would like to comment on a few things in points:

            1. I should assure you, and I assume this may not lost on you, that I neither condone, nor engage in, ” … Habesha bashing, Habesha denigrating, Habesha vilifying, Habesha trashing, spreading of hate, inciting of ethnic/religious violence …”. And, I do not think this website opens its space for such outrage at all. If had, you and I would not have regular visitors and users of this forum. A slight clue about such thing would have enough for me to quit, and for good. This is my position on the heavily loaded accusation. But, let me share with you a frank feeling. Lately you have been projecting some and anger. I can feel a different Semere Tesfai from the one I read your debate with Ali Salim. If my feeling is unwarranted, I am open for correction.

            2. If your response to my question in item # 2 is emphatic no, then it follows Tigrinya speakers in Eritrea and Tigray should have share “tigraway” as ethnic identifier – just the examples you have cited suggest. There should have been need to use two terms for the same thing, unless the issue of nationality brought the need to different the Eritrean Tigrawot from the Tigrawot in Tigrai. That was the logic that triggered my question. I mean to say that the issue of nationality had split the common term of identification as one ethnic group speaking the same language from which term “tegraway” derives.

            3. About ethnicity in Eritrea (item C), I do not think it was an issue of classification or identification in the framework of the nation/country. The first time it was people began to talk about it in the context of the national liberation movement and the politics and ideological underpinnings associated with emancipation and liberation and anti-colonial and imperial dominations of peoples. In the Eritrean context it rose within the student activism centering in the university premises in Ethiopia. On the level organize political debate, it was for the first time raised during the drafting of the first national democratic political program that put before the First National Congress of the ELF. Those who raised it were members who came from college level student backgrounds. The congress, by and large, hesitated to dwell on the issue fearing that it could affect the efforts for re-unifying the ranks of the fronts which had been exposed to splits. The outcome of the debate settled on fact that Eritrea did not house identifiable nationalities that satisfied the classical definition of what a nationality ought to be and have. So, the eight socio-cultural groups were identified as “linguistic groups” because the only thing that made them different from one another was language, the majority of which did not even had alphabets. This became the view of the ELF, while the EPLF with roots in Selfi Netsanet chose later to view the eight linguistic groups as nationalities without going through the rigors of scientific rationalization which did not even identify ethnicity from nationality. As became clearer later on, the EPLF adopted existence of nationalities for purely political expediencies as we have seen how things have been going subsequent to the liberation and formation of a national government and concomitant policies.

            4. I am not sure about your contention that it was the ELF that introduced the term Kebessa as ethnic identifier by way of its political manual. I do not know where was born and raised, but in my case where I was born and raised Kebessa was a reference to the inhabitants of the Eritrean plateau that included the three provinces – Hamassien, Seraye and Akkeleguzay. The plateau was known as “Kebessa Eritrea” and the lowlands “metaHt Eritrea”. In fact, Hamassienay, Serewotay and Akkeleguzetay were specific and direct identifiers than the general topography-oriented term of Kebessa. Moreover, the term Kebessa was referred to the contiguous territories that comprised the three provinces I mentioned. Elevated areas you have mentioned like in Sahel and elsewhere had no link to the Kebessa proper in the sense I indicated. Furthermore, there was no tribal or religious relation with the term. Part of the Saho like myself who resided in highland region of Akkeleguzay are also counted as Kebessa though socially and linguistically different from the Tigrinya speakers.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam haile TG and Brhan,

        The event I shared in this entry is significant. It demonstrates Ethiopia on the aftermath of the Mengistu Hailemariam’ military rule has turned page in its historical existence. As both of you might have read from the re-posted SJ interview with the late MZ, he stated a crucial fact. He said that the self-determination principle as enshrined in the constitution is the sin qua non for the existence of Ethiopia as one country.

        I think, despite the die-hard striving of the centralists to turn that page backward, all indications point to the fact that the imperial legacy has become part of the past. This is the fact that nostalgic old-time mindsets in Ethiopia are finding hard to understand. They will have to settle for other type of “Ethiopiawinet” with which the hitherto subjugated peoples in the lands of the former empire-state can co-exist in. The classical Habesha-centered outlook founded on mythology and conquest is over. The four pillars (kingship, Monophysite Orthodox Christian doctrine, language and culture and way of life – on which the defunct system had rested on cannot rationalize the meaning and content of present and future Ethiopia.

        NB: dear haile, I second Haile S recommendation on the question you raised o “habesha”. I remember there was extensive discussion on the issue with SJ.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat-TG,

        Habesha refers to the Semitic languages speaking highland of Ethiopia and Eritrea (that include the Amara social group). This is a fact before the formation of nations and nation states. The PFDJ lots want to dissociate from our old historical attachments whether it was a lose attachment or a tight attachments. Being Having habesha history does not change Eritrea and Eritreanism. As everything are subject to changes, histories do also evolve and devolve and nations are evolved from their old history.

        Regard

        • haileTG

          Selamat Aman

          Here is IA in 1993 addressing the question in 30 seconds [43min – 43:30min]

          https://youtu.be/KD4p5aRhRac

        • Brhan

          Selam Professor Amanuel,
          King Haile S bribed the UN to change the name of his country from Habesha to Ethiopia says this Ethio 360 episode:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXIZFKMytyQ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Brhan,

            While there are many other facts to accuse HS and his government, I don’t know why he went to a baseless accusation. The king does not need to bribe the international community to change the name of his country. You don’t need approval for it. Any government can change the name of their country or cities based on the approval of their people through their representatives on the legislative body of the government. He is just spewing hate against the Amara social group instead presenting the grievance of the Oromia social group through justifiable argument. Unfortunately, there is one truth in the body politics of Ethiopia. The three major social groups (Tigray, Amara, and Oromia people) are pushing for a “political divorce” either directly or indirectly as they are making their issues “land grabbing issues” as if they are entities of the same country. The current political realities of Ethiopian empire does not have positive prospectives, so to speak. If the current federal system can’t hold them together, there is no other alternatives to address the irreconcilable interest of their diversity.

            Second, Abiy is centralizing all the institutions under his power that eventually leads to dismantling the current federal system, despite the fact that many other social groups are demanding their autonomy. In other words, Abiy will face stiff oppositions from the states who saw the benefit of it.

            Regard

    • Brhan

      Merhaba Ustaz Ismail AA,
      Thanks for the info.
      I think Ethiopians are stuck with one of the late Meles Zenawi’s legacies’: the constitution, which is still at work. The proof is the formation of Sidama state and now the 11th state, the South West Regional State(SWRS).

      Unionist/ Centralist Ethiopians who built their argument on myths and illusions expected the end of the constitution to happen in September 2021. Now they are blaming A. Ahmed Ali as the EPRDF guy and not PP as he says.

      GERD is another legacy, and it is still at work. Some Ethiopians nicknamed MZ አባይን የደፈረ! And the booming Ethiopian economy now is history due to A. Ahmed Ali’s reckless acts, including using civil airplanes to carry weapons to the dictator in Eritrea.

      It must be is a bitter truth to swallow for Abi when hearing to the news about
      SWRS where 96% of voters chose 21st century’s fact: self-determination rather than the 1st-century myths.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Brhan,

        When the dust of the war is settled, when a reflective history are written, when a contrast are made between the reign of MZ and the reign of Abiy, genuine Ethiopians will remember MZ as the leader who gave “nations nationalities” the right of self-rule, the leader whose focus was to eradicate poverty, a leader who transform the economy and the infrastructure of the economy of the nation in leaps and bounds, a leader who transformed the country in to industrial parks, a leader who multiplied the higher institutions of education by twenty folds, a leader who transform villages to towns, towns to cities with multiple networks of modern highways, a leader who put the country in a reputable diplomatic circles representing not only Ethiopia but the continent of Africa, and so many other notable changes.

        How will they remember Abiy then? A leader who is a subordinate of Issayas, a leader who lives to fulfill the dream of his mother, a leader who brought the states (kilil) to fight each other, a leader who brought self-inflicted feminine to his people, a leader who brought the economic and financial abuse, and finally a leader who has no control beyond Addis.

        Regard

    • said

      Greetings
      Ismail AA
      As reported then Meles’ untimely death at 57 ,on August 27 2012 in a Belgian hospital – probably from cancer – has left Ethiopia reeling. He and a junta of Tigrayans ruled Ethiopia’s 100 million people with an iron fist since 1991 after they overthrew the murderous Communist Derg regime of Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, He was one of Africa’s smartest. But his government was accused of widespread corruption. As reported by human rights group
      Under him, desperately poor Ethiopia enjoyed a stellar growth rate of 7-10 percent per annum, thanks in part to investments of $5 billion apiece from world bank and China that include major rail projects and highways .
      However, the most important boost to Ethiopia’s economy came from annual infusions of some $1 billion in U.S. military and economic aid. Under Meles, Ethiopia became America’s policeman of the Horn of Africa.
      Western human rights groups accused the Meles regime of gross human rights violations, political repression, and silencing the media. Washington closed its eyes to Ethiopia’s repression. and it was time and an era of despotism. what matter the most is the system of the government first and most ,it have to be based on justice, human rights, , etc

      • Ismail AA

        Hayak Allah ustaz said,

        Thanks for the response comments.

        Of course, I never advocated the late MZ led was government flawless or was free from shortcomings. It had its share of virtues and follies. No government that I know of was/is immune from criticism. Even the so-called model liberal democracies cannot claim perfection. Indeed, democracy itself as a system is not flawless.

        But, under the circumstances that prevailed the time the Derg junta had collapsed, and along with the dispersal of the national army, the security forces and paralysis of state institutions, Meles Zenawi and his EPRDF coalition had acted in responsible way that kept the country together, and avoided the subjugation fatigued forces tearing it apart. The only reasonable formula that could calm the volatile post Derg situation was what they had introduced as a federal system. Otherwise, things could have taken totally different direction, which could have seen the rising of uncontrollable political entities, among which the TPLF could have emerged taking the lion’s share of the defunct empire.

        Thus, despite the good things done to improve the economy (as you have mentioned), and restoration of the standing of the country among the international community, no one can argue that the new system of governance under ethnic federalism was so flawless to had been left for so long without timely reforms and guided democratization. It is this shortcoming that had reduced the efficacy of the system, and exposed the EPRDF to criticism that permeated in to body politic of the whole country to bring the overdue change in 2018. Alas, those who ascended to the seat of power under Dr. Abiy have proven to be agents of the sad development that MZ and the EPRDF had avoided – civil war and an ominous trend towards dissolution of the legacy of the defunct empire state.

        • said

          Greetings
          Ismail AA
          Your writing is so compelling.?

          You write well from historical point of view and you give painstaking attention to your view with detail . But form me simply put the truth, is Justice, it is the first metrics that I wrote about it in length blew two days ago.?
          And it is not because I have disclosed the truth about TPLF and Abiy, that you already know about. MZ was against democracy and majority rule, the legitimacy of elections . He was “unelected”. He crowned him self for life time . Who was really MZ like and not what he really achieved economically .MZ was responsible for a great achievement. But all this was accomplished at the expense of the populations rights, justices and honor of Ethiopian . My main point is . the subsequent enrichment and empowerment of one small ethnic Tigrayan taking control of the nation ,was simply wrong , TPLF become the dominant in Ethiopian society. TPLF replaced Derg but they devoted to the domination.. .

          A lot being said about MZ from all side. Both pros and cons , a blessing or a curse. Can you answer this question in the affirmative!. I read the above he was not perfect man and the rest and many others worship him like a cult .
          One simple example, is president elected .Mandela is good example, quantitatively but qualitatively he is so truly and spiritually, different than MZ . .Mandela never killed one single person and never give and order prosperously and intentionally. that i know of .We still remembered and honor him ,he is one among many African leaders But Mandela is not know of great achievement. For building roads.

          It’s time for the people to wake up! And that they did Ethiopian youth movement was a smashing success by getting the TPLF regime. . It captured Ethiopian public imagination, provided the impetus for the emergence of a new wave of social activism, and still alive . like most actual youth social movements, its lack of specific demands did not change the realities on the ground. All our region leaders are more of a crime boss than president? Their crime scene is wide as it is broad. They are incomprehensibly greedy these heartless and egocentric scum are criminals ? I am leaving out all the horror! crimes against ordinary people, it is . mind-boggling to great to list.
          .
          All too many Ethiopian/Tigrayan have sacrificed their sense of right and wrong at the altar of sake of narrow nationally and security, and unwavering allegiance to ethnicity . that has become the most important term in the political lexicon of the Ethiopian people. Most Tigrayan have come to passively accept TPLF power, Like Amhara did with HS.

          In my concrescence I put the people at center. What happened to presumed innocence, not guilty until proven The murder of one an innocent person is just plain evil. If I ignored it means I am sacrificing my consciences in the process. I don’t intend to defer my judgment. If Ethiopian/Tigrayan people made an implicit bargain with the devil regime, they become enabler too? Then people would have to deal with their consciences over regime entity that killing their people. But the irrationality betrays an obdurate mindset . By bringing evil action and killing innocent people . we must activity bring to the attention of the Ethiopian/Tigrayan people, that people’s consciences might start lighting up and operating. And when no moral outrage expressed among educated class it is sickening . That’s all we need to know. Our society need is a moral awakening, one that entails the operation of our conscience and to seek justice for all?

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate forum

    “When news organisations lost their gatekeeping powers to technology platforms, those platforms abdicated responsibility for the public sphere. That has made facts debatable. Because facts and lies are treated equally.” Maria Ressa

    Q&A: Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Ressa
    Al Jazeera speaks to Maria Ressa, investigative journalist and co-recipient of the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/8/q-and-a-nobel-peace-prize-winner-maria-ressa

  • said

    Greetings,

    A note to Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed,
    Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia Addis Ababa.

    I am writing to you on behalf of myself .And my appeal to common folks Ethiopian /Tigrayan and Eritrean people ,the voiceless.

    The war in Tigray Region . And Days before the first anniversary of the civil war. The war must stop. And regrets and apologies is needed

    Dear PM Abiy .
    How should I address you in the lounge of rational, reason ,theological, religious , cultural, political and spiritual peace . Since I don’t know how to concisely how address you.
    When you come in the seeing and in power in 2018. Initially people locked up to you as peace-loving radicals. As Nobel Prize peace winner, much was expected from you.
    You made peace with Eritrea(IA) and you won the Nobel Peace Prize. No one need to remind you what you said then , there are those, “who have never seen war, but glorify and romanticize it. They have not seen the fear. They have not seen the fatigue. They have not seen the destruction or heartbreak, nor have they felt the mournful emptiness of war after the carnage.” By know you know the Tigray crisis cannot be resolved through mighty forces and military means alone. pursue the path of peace and Reconciliation and Compromise. Is my simple point .live up to your ward. The rest you know what I had to say below .

    The suffering inflicted on the people of Tigray Region has been too great to list here. As PM ,as religious and “spiritual person ” to reawakened and give a deep thoughts about the past, the present and the future of your nation . that you must repudiates mass death, that identifies death as the enemy to be vanquished in Ethiopia and to end the war in Tigray . November 3rd was a day that will live on in infamy ? A country at war with itself .

    You have read the report .According to the United Nations, roughly 4.5 million of a population of 6 million people are in immediate need of humanitarian assistance. Between 2 and 2.5 million people in the region will experience severe food insecurity. First urge you immediately to take action to end the famine and food insecurity. And Second to resolve this crisis.

    Ethiopia and Tigray ,is still reeling to recover from civil war and it will take long time. . You must conceded that this horrible and was an unplanned planed major fiasco. You ought to know. Lets call this what it is senseless war . The official target of this war was radical TPLF . But this boogeyman was largely just an excuse for Ethiopia to level Tigray regime that refused to bow to your quest. TPLF leaders scapegoat, ended up more powerful than it ever was before war. by giving you a perpetual excuse to fight these civil war for end in sight and forever it seems .

    All over Ethiopia/Tigray, the civil war , people are dealing with the fallout from the war. Tigrayan , They are wondering what it was all about. They are thinking of lost loved ones, shattered lives and mangled bodies and thinking – never again. They are collectively awash in a powerful mix of emotions, regret, anger, grief. and no rule of engagement
    A new age of civil war with no rules , endorsing any means to an end., They fires off bazookas and hurls grenades every direction .Both side were determine and strong willed and abundantly determined to achieve … whatever it is they’ve cooked up. The rules of war and politics haven’t just changed. As always one-party rule that ruled and dominated Ethiopia. still lives absent any rules of law. hellbent only on power.

    Ethiopia has only one party system . Ethiopia/Tigray horrible mistakes of war , they live with to this moment. and the failure to correct any of it, Ethiopia/Tigray government failed the people.
    On the occasion of the 1th anniversary of the civil war . can any of leadership of the side of Ethiopia/Tigray give a message of regret of war remorsefully , laced through and through with regret. a mistake, a very serious one, Ethiopia/Tigray leaders have to accept full share of the blame for war . “not worth fighting.” Do you as leaders regret , after witnessing the horrors of those endless killings, often of civilians. Can you take “the opportunity to look inward.” With some deep remorse, and think deeply the costs in terms of human suffering, on the “experience of millions and the individuals harmed and their dehumanization as well?.”

    the real lesson is a simple one: Ethiopia/Tigray to go war , were wrong, plain and simple. We owe the Tigray people and the community an apology. I know. It is not expect , utter lack of “critical self-reflection” among those who launched, oversaw, commanded, or supported . we have Ethiopian officials who ensured the excesses of the war. It is about time they need to reflect publicly on their mistakes , to expressed the least sense of regret about the war by offering actual apologies. Where are any voices of reflection or apology from the top military men ,this include all those involved in the civil war. including EDF?

    A year of war? Have any of them give a voices reflecting on the wrongs that they ’ve done to Tigrayian and yourselves as a nation Ethiopia at large . for all war parties we continue to hear instead defense of their actions in overseeing those disastrous civil war. Ethiopia/Tigray policies defend no matter what the facts tell us. PM Abi who oversaw the war need to apologize Tigrayian people at least of the worst excesses of the war. for the abrogation of laws and norms of war . so far no apologies were forthcoming , He had proved to be defiant on the 1 first anniversary coming close .I hope you take the lead and be a great example..

    Over the course of these 1 years, Ethiopia/Tigray, has had to face the hard lesson that accountability for the mistakes of war , miscalculations, and lawless policies of the civil war . Non did not lead to any Ethiopian officials involved being held accountable. This week leading up to your October last Monday 2021 inauguration. One expected to make peace.

    PM Abiy look into your own hearts . Do you believe that anybody is above the law.? Ethiopian and TPLF/TDF military leaders are unlikely to rethink their actions that were so very wrong in starting the war.
    A true feelings of guilt over the “massive human cost” is main issue . An act out of a feeling of intense remorse. They need to apologized in unique ways for the roles they played in the civil war . Such regrets and even apologies, will open the door to peace .Apologies are seemingly out of the question from all the side involved in the war . by acknowledging wrongdoing as the best way of looking forward to wars peace .TPLF have no capacity to print money. At the best of time Tigray economy has very limited capacity for resilience and very limited agriculture fertile land .

    PM Abiy as you know the humanitarian situation is spiraling into catastrophe in Tigray . Millions of Tigrayan are now facing severe economic stress and food insecurity . And risks of worsening acute malnutrition and outright famine. People are in need a basic human need like food and medicine and a basic human right protections . Tigray’s health and education systems, among other sectors, are collapsing. Tens of thousands of Tigray families have lost their incomes. The sever economic and humanitarian problems, which disproportionately affect women and children , cannot simply be ignored because of the TPLF/TDF are in controlee of Tigray . And allow donor money, remittances to come in . Ethiopian currency issues also need to be addressed. like the previous TPLF / EPRDF government, do not possess adequate revenue sources to fund basic government services. Corruption was rife with TPLF 1 percent leadership Ethiopia/Tigray as a country that has relied on outside donors to help with such services for most of its modern existence. US ,EU and Ethiopian governments need to figure out how to restore funding to public services in Tigray , for food , health but also education, using Ethiopian ’s banks and without enriching the TPLF/TDF or facilitating their abuses as in the past . Restore past services and need to agree on methods for supporting vital services through independent organizations such as the UN or non-governmental organizations over seeing by Ethiopian governments if TPLF will accept . .There is no trust with TPLF by Abiy .prier to peace agreement TPLF will have to accept that concerns about providing direct budgetary support, and preventing corruption, will require independent financial oversight of transactions. and allow the new systems to be monitored and ensure that services benefit all Tigrayan

    Ethiopian a country that looks like it is on the brink of collapse , it is exhausting and real mess to more than 30 years of economical, financial, political , social, and other mismanagement. “The main reason for this kind of catastrophic mismanagement is the ethnic political system that they have and, as a consequence, the lack of responsibility on the part of this system you are building on ; also, of course, corruption and incompetence that is rife in the country, The troubled Ethiopian economy — long dependent on external aid and injections of hard cash — is sinking fast due to the Ethiopian’s government failure to deal with the situation. Ethiopia make up major per cent of Ethiopia exports which is nothing .Without adding value and It seemed a colossal failure.

    Ethiopian army are not defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity. TPLF/EPRDF they never uphold justice and accountability, TPLF has been deeply involved in massive corruption. Make hay while the sun shines. They acted like medieval leaders and tribal chiefs. TPLF put their own self-interest ahead of the nation’s, their abuse of power and corruption that has been inflicted on the public was a daily life.
    Late PM Meles Zenawi and TPLF leadership had they believed in true freedom, democracy and human rights, and fair elections, freedom of association, based on shared values, and uphold the rule of law, uphold press freedom, and freedom of expression, there was never voters to make their choices when the time come on the ballot. The outcome would have being different today. Ethiopia would have being a peaceful country. It would have turned out to be Ethiopia one of the region’s more civilized and modern efficient state .

    TPLF claiming specific rights or privileges to maintain a rigid ethnic identity. ,rather opening up to democracy and equality and equitably, a balanced government “living with diversity” ? TPLF with their “minority alliance” in order to seek protection” was a “internal weakness” . Ethiopian refused to adhere to dictatorial political regime of TPLF.

    The reason how and why so many Ethiopian army weapons ended up in the hands of TPLF . to fend for themselves , To protect its interest and itself ? (in which Amhara overlords predominated) the unspoken word . And war followed ,Amhara against ethnic Tigray and for power and domination .

    What happened in Ethiopian in 1991 was not a mere change of government By TPLF . the new state was responsible for killing their own people and spreading subversion in the region was overthrown by Ethiopian people . TPLF as ethnic group that has to have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. All other groups have disarmed and disbanded. Ethiopian National Army was disbanded .TPLF butchered their opponents on their path to power. To expect that TPLF will subscribe to Swedish liberalism was a daydream. MZ was prepared to go down that foolish path. Ethiopian a variety of cross-ethnic elements in the country must have being recruited who subscribe to the common denominator of beliefs of democracy and values that the state is expected to be a vanguard for all . This is inclusion and this will yield legitimacy of the state in the eyes of its people. Honest and competent people from all ethnic backgrounds should being Elected not selected and choosing . Regardless of the form of the government, the outcome must be justice. It never happened
    Innocent ordinary poor Ethiopian/Tigrayan /Eritrean who have no say in the war and should not be compared to those who sided with the oppressor to kill their own people and their neighbors. This is common sense.

    No more dream of extending Tigray’s dominance into Ethiopia, like recent past and no more hegemony of a single ethnic group. Let Tigray territory with its border fortress entrenched to themselves once and for all
    TPLF they ran the government, quite corruptly. They held power and directed Ethiopia national army and the air force under their ethnic control. Atrocities committed by the TPLF government which ruled between 1991 and 2018 , they did not deny the brutality , it is in the record . including death squads, to prevent uprising . Human right gives a grisly account of what Ethiopian have reported to them about the barbarity of their treatment at the hands of TPLF. I stand to be corrected for my mistakes. for TPLF human rights violations. this isn’t just a matter of my opinion. Indeed, this is thoroughly documented fact . TPLF hard core they will kill to stay to maintain their power and they did , they’ve always made that absolutely clear, and indeed they have to, because their comradery long membership is made up of TPLF variety of hard men who for obvious reasons are committed to continuing the terror campaigns in Ethiopia in order to stay in power and pursued what they believed to be Tigray ’s national interests and who make up about only 6% of the population.

    TPLF. would not stay the course for long and that TPLF. would leave sooner or later, forced to leave the power they did, it was a matter of time . TPLF of 1991 and the TPLF of 2021 are no different ? during their rule TPLF alienated their entire neighborhood. And they are mortal enemies of the present Ethiopian state. TPLF were in the perfect position to prevent civil war from even happening in the first place and either failed or chose to fail to do so .After all this war calamities . that there was zero moral justification to start the war. The only means of justifiable warfare is that which is practiced strictly out of self-defence . But TPLF there was no moral justification for ever firing the first shot, TPLF ignored opportunity to practice the Non-Aggression Principle and Pursue Peace .TPLF kept the power among themselves and it united them as a ruling caste over poor Ethiopian
    TPLF ends up exactly as they had been before the war November 2nd 2020 ,back in Tigray and tormented with no other place to go. Today TPLF could not feed its people and provide basic services. instead of atoning for their role in keeping most Tigrayan mired in poverty and famine . Tigray civil war consequence brought in cutting off desperately needed economic and humanitarian aid that was funding half of Tigrayan population . The takeaway here, of course, is that nothing has been learned .TPLF floundering in chaos of its own making and owes it to all those who lost their lives to not commit the same mistakes again .The answer cannot be more war.

    TPLF/EPRDF for 28 years , a golden opportunity squandered. ,they missed real opportunity to govern according to the principle of citizenship and equality. Adhering democratic principles .A state “governed by modern civil law”, which is able to embrace and integrate all the “diversities” and accept pluralities of Ethiopia. Ethiopia is a very poor nation that lives on the edge. And leaving the people at the mercy of international aid.

    Overcoming war is probably as enormous an effort as waging it and the first step in ending war is seeing it for what it is. The time for change is now. It is time to stop the war and sue for peace was at hand and to find a way forward that ensured relative stability in all Ethiopia.

    PM Abiy At this darkest of dark hours. Daunting times for sure . I have some advice for you not that you need it. Let me light your fire and let me remind you a verse from Deuteronomy (“We have chosen life in abundance”),choose life over death but you knew or you should have known. By know Fighting has since spread to the neighbouring Amhara and Afar regions . The people will not forgive you for this reckless and the stupidity of war . How would you rate your military performance in Tigray .what does sauces means to you. You probably won’t have to wait for long to find out.? And you must own them. The same question goes for TPLD/TDF. What is to be achieved and what end goal?.
    And also it is up to ordinary Ethiopia who believe in peaceful coexistence, who should celebrate their differences, and who want build bridges among different ethnic communities to speak loudly and clearly to drown out the ugly sound of hatred of the others .

    PM Abiy don’t make your religiosity a hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons empty words .As you know it well known the Past TPLF cruelties are horrendous, is well known and documented. Their corruption ,injustices , fraud, deception, impiety, shocking and bloody, and the effects of its predatory nature of TPLF funneling the public money to the bank accounts of TPLF wealthy few, their hypocrisy—a thin veil to cover up their crimes which would disgrace Ethiopia as nation of barbarian and savages .unfortunately and Unfunctionally you are repeating the same crime today. You know the Ethiopian monarchies and despotism IA ,a war monger , The examples of barbarity are endless, it is exactly that you must be revolting of his barbarity and his shameless hypocrisy .is not the step to follow .

    Eritrean people at large . Your 30 year of struggle and military resistance era was over 30 years ago ,unless change comes ,we will not be able to defend and develop our country. While the enemies of IA/PFDJ are still planning to bomb you and invade you .But for which you may not be fully prepared. Without the power to the people.

    Your 3 decades-long steadfastness comes from the principle of justice of your cause .Today we oppressed , tortured, incarcerated and killed, by IA regime. Ethiopian who colonised the enemy could not defeat you neither buy you out with money, nor could they bludgeon you into submission over 30 years. This shows that you have
    Fortitude These are quintessential aspects of character. The governments of Ethiopia under different rulers , were your enemies. They occupied you, spilled your blood, and destroyed regional peace. You may forgive them, but do not forget.
    Both Eritrea and Ethiopia have learnt that on matters of defense and foreign policy, both need not to be on the same page, or else there will always be trouble. We do not to come close or integrate defense and foreign policy, nor the economic control of our resources can remain in the Eritrean hands just as the economic control of Ethiopian /Tigray resources may remain in the their hands. No one-sided dependency and no into co-dependency. Yes. Pair up and partner up with Ethiopian and Sudanese ’s various sectors, except our politics. If you pledge your politics with Ethiopia/Tigray , they will let us down. However, since the last half a century, Eritrean saw no peace. We must be vigilant . Others do not share the same value and outlook.

    IA does not have necessary prerequisites of a morally and upright leadership in statecraft which in turn comes from austerity and being strict with yourself and generous and kind with your people and others. As the reader most likely knows. Which never before seen in recorded history of Eritrea . The reader is presented with the no choice and accompanying despair .For 30 years Eritrean are growing more familiar with each day—IA despotism perfected mechanisms to control the population. They have been under the PFDJ, the regime of poverty and oppression; EPLF revolutionary struggle for social justice was a sham and Shem . Many Eritrean become hopelessness and disconnect from the world and they are leavening Eritrea in drove in unknown destination .

    In a world full of distractions and without any regard to the human need for purpose and connection. Eritrean are divided. No opposition organization, can survive unless our people deal honestly with one another. For our society to thrive, it must be built on honesty and shun liars. Honesty fosters trust and bridges deep divides. If our nation is ever to be united again. And the need to agree on basic facts. And we must be honest about our past.
    Eritrean must not become complacent and we already EPLF are finally overcome by the forces of evil that always lurk behind the shadows.
    The vast majority Eritrean know the truth and they have no illusions, understand the wrong and they know that war in Tigray ,it must never happen again. It is dark side of our history. Eritrean justice seeker embrace cooperation and collaboration and especially compassion, as we care for those who have borne Tigray war’s burdens and embrace one another without rancor. Achieving a just and lasting peace, among ourselves and with all nations in our region . Nothing more than this—and nothing less—will suffice.

    it is also a matter of focus, of attention, of priority . we do not have a respected and renowned thought leaders in our region that advocate for peace, prosperity justice, human rights, , etc..
    Eritrean situation It is the madness of folly, to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object, is only a trick of war; the cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf, and we ought to guard equally against both attacking animal .
    By perseverance and fortitude we have the prospect of a glorious issue; by cowardice and submission, the sad choice of IA of evils – a ravaged our country – a depopulated the country – habitations without safety, and slavery without hope.

    Knowing the truth about each and every part of our history makes us better Eritrean. The past stubbornly remains exactly what it was. Once IA regime is gone Some thirty years later .The dream still alive, we will create great country ,a creation of this grand, will be free, democratic nation. And our faith in common good and our humans’ ability to reason. we will arrive at a gentler and more humane culture.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Although, the Ethiopian government is maintaining news blackout, humanitarian workers and others on the ground are reporting that the shelling that started in the last two days in Amhara region has now escalated into a large scale offensive.

    A defiant GR told AFP

    “We are confident we will thwart the offensive in all fronts and more,” he said. “We will stand our ground until the siege is lifted.”

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/ethiopia-forces-launch-offensives-against-191659744.html

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG,

      Thanks for the follow up brief.

      This military escalation would probably define the direction politics will eventually take. The Abiy government should have certainly invested substantial human and financial resource with risky political gamble. Accordingly, the anticipation would be desperate, and hope should be for some breakthrough on the ground that can improve the bargaining position vis-a-vis the nearly unanimous pressure the powers in the West and the international humanitarian organizations are persistently applying. The outcome is more of a concern to federal government side. The Tigrayan side should more comfortable because they are fighting from strategic depth that allows them a wider space of maneuvering. In the case the federal government fails to make credible gains, then the confrontation will shift to the political jockeying which will definitely favor the Tigray regional government. Then, politically, and if not militarily, the fate of West Tigray will decide the peace and war situation, and by extension the future of the country as a whole.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam haile TG and Aman,

        Have you heard anything about an IGAD endorsed mediation between TPLF and the Federal Government by Salva Kiir Mayardit of South Sudan, which Abiy has, reportedly, accepted?. “Zehabesha” web site has published the news. The authorities in Juba ( time line 8 October) informed that subsequent to his installation as PM, Abiy accepted the IGAD offer that was floated by its current chairman, Abdalla Hamadok of Sudan. The secretary of President Salva Kiir has confirmed the news, according the web site. It is not clear how the IGAD and the AU envoys will proceed with their mandate., unless Abiy had bypassed the latter and went for the latter. There is no indication about the position of TIgary regional government.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG and Aman,

      Have you heard anything about an IGAD endorsed mediation between TPLF and the Federal Government by Salva Kiir Mayardit of South Sudan, which Abiy has, reportedly, accepted?. “Zehabesha” web site has published the news. The authorities in Juba ( time line 8 October) informed that subsequent to his installation as PM, Abiy accepted the IGAD offer that was floated by its current chairman, Abdalla Hamadok of Sudan. The secretary of President Salva Kiir has confirmed the news, according the web site. It is not clear how the IGAD and the AU envoys will proceed with their mandate., unless Abiy had bypassed the latter and went for the latter. There is no indication about the position of Tigray regional government.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Ismailo,

        I haven’t come across the intent of IGAD to mediate the Ethiopian civil war yet, but I will make some research if there is any of that sort. To my understanding, the desire of negotiation by the warring sides of the civil war is not ripe yet. Sadly it will continue for some time unless the international communities or NATO intervene to stop it. While I was searching to answer your question, I found a piece worth of reading pertinent to negotiation and peace settlement. Actually, every civil war has its own cultural specificity to bring it in to negotiation and is strictly based on “the psychology of the warring leaders” . The author characterized the war in Ethiopia as genocidal in nature and explained it as follows:

        “ These are reminiscent of the Darfur genocide but facilitated by upgraded technologies such as drones and tanks.”

        Regard

      • haileTG

        Hello Ismail,

        Yes, I have followed it somehow. The whole thing comes from Salva Kir’s offer made during the inaugural visit. However, PMAA is not believed in this case as wanting real peace. He has continued his war plan that started earlier. The Tigray govt has dismissed it as a usual stunt by PMAA t relieve some pressure and confuse public opinion. They said they are not aware of any actual peace plan in that regard.

        • Abi

          ኃይልዬ
          There should be no negotiation between the Ethiopian government and the disgraced Tplf thugs.
          በምን ቋንቋ ላስረዳህ?

          • haileTG

            Abichu,

            Where is my song btw?

          • Abi

            ኃይልዬ
            እኔን ሞት ይርሳኝ!! የባጥ የቆጡን ስቀባጥር ፈፅሞ እረሳሁት
            https://youtu.be/6wvCZdj8gXE

          • haileTG

            Abichu,

            Now this is what I call beauty, love it!

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Glad you enjoyed the song. Only great people love this song!

          • haileTG

            Abichu, here is Tigrigna rendition of Ketetema Mekonnen’s Tizita

            https://youtu.be/DcBc86IrjAQ

            The last half is part Tikabo and part his own lyrics. I wonder why Eritreans don’t do Tizita? May be we have short memory 🙂

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Sorry for the delay
            I was at a neighborhood Oktoberfest party. You know ያለ ራሥ አቢ ምንም አይደምቅም!!
            The reason why Eritreans don’t sing Tizita is because it is a new country:-)
            Thanks for the song.
            Here is the Queen of Tizita.
            https://youtu.be/okbU7azgrvk

          • haileTG

            Hey Abichu,

            Yes, the Queen of Tizita indeed! She is one of my best with Aster Aweqe. My question is that did Bezaworq only specialize in Tizita? Or has she done other genre as well?

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Yes, the Queen of Tizita has numerous great songs.
            Since it is Sunday, here is ዘለሰኛ by the legendary singer ቴዲ .
            https://youtu.be/EHkbosXugvk

    • Selam haile TG,
      why they (TPLF) not withdrawing out of Amhara region and seek lasting peace? Are they counting or hoping the West will rescue them. I hope not. Is there cure for a cancer?
      Your 2 cents, thanks.

      • woldu hadgu

        Dear Tesfu:

        You tell me. Did the cancer that damaged Eritrea and metastasized to Ethiopia has a cure?

        • Dear woldu hadgu,
          Yes, there are 2:when God calls the number or tsebel if you lucky!

      • haileTG

        Hi Tesfu,

        Lasting peace? How can we propose for TPLF to give up western Tigray, blockaded, put down your arms, accept total degradation and leave in peace?

        Hard to give a cent, let alone 2 for such deal.

        • Hello haileTG,
          Give up westernTgray: find a arbitrator mutual to both parties.
          A blockade, when peace is in the air, it will sync. It is a matter of time.
          to total degradation; No one wants to humiliating but there is way out.
          Hardest thing for them to put down arms and seek peace, instead of wanting to fight always

          • haileTG

            Hey Tesfu,

            Find an arbiter: good, why not start by going to pre-war positions if that is sincere?

            Blockades lifted when peace comes: why hold peace under blackmail. Blockades are acts of willful genocide per legal terms.

            No one wants humiliation: how more can one be humiliated than actively working to starve them. That is an extreme and immoral form of humiliation.

            TDF/TPLF has the high moral ground in every sense here.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            More often than not, you are not that great:-)
            ቤጌምድር የትግራይ ሆኖ አያውቅም:: It is too fertile to be in Tigray. No way!!

          • haileTG

            Hey Abichu,

            When was Biegiemidr established? I hope you’re not going to say 3000 years ago:-) HS gave the land to his family by taking it away from Tigray. Tigray owns it, hand it over please, let’s do it the easy way – dula sayichemerbet 🙂

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ዱላ አልፈራም!! ባይሆን በቴስታ ናላዬን እንዳታዞረው እሰጋለሁ::
            እንድታስቡበት ከፈጣሪ የተሰጣችሁን ጭንቅላት መደባደቢያ አድርጋችሁታል:: ውጪው ሲጠነክር ውስጡ ባዶ ሆኗል::

            በሉ አሁን በርበሬ ሳናጥናችሁ ሹልክ ብላችሁ ውጡ!!
            ሩጥ! ሩጥ! ድመት መጣ!!

          • Aron

            hi tesfu ,
            would you have said that if the roles were reversed. aron

      • Abi

        Hello Tesfu
        No TDF member should be allowed to leave the Amhara lands alive!!!

        • Aron

          hi Abi ,
          you know iI been reading what you be writing how TDF is dead and that Mekelle will be captured in two weeks while the fight is to capture the amhara capitals. please check if u are ok. when Eritrean troops withdrew and left you to your means you lost tigray and half of the amhara lands. I always say the Tegarus figheach othert you florish. if Isu pulls out TDFwill be in Harar in two weeks. so please less bravado. no Isu you know your backle
          aron happy delayed Meskel.

          • Abi

            Aron z Agazi
            I was thinking of you the other day while listening to the legendary ውብሸት ፍሰሃ.
            https://youtu.be/nCQ6x4U3wPk

            The dead TDF is sending Tigreans to their graves in thousands.
            የአማራ መሬት የትግሬዎች መቀበርያ ሆኗል::

          • Aron

            hi Abi,
            thanks for the song and for keeping in mind when you hear wubshet. i think I know why. I know you don’t believe what you say about TDF.Your government is arming TDF freeof tax and hassle you guy don’t count you are pows by thousands. the real fight is b/n eritrea and tigray with out eritrea you know you would have lost the war long time ago. the stupid Isu thinks as far as his nose. you guys are good at massaging his ego and he fall for it. with isu out of the picture bacha will be pow and singing in tigrigna and abiy in zimbabwe

          • Abi

            Selam Aron z Agazi
            You know how difficult it is to talk to people who are daydreaming.
            Call again when you are well awake. May be after a good dose of espresso:-)
            In the meantime, I need updates regarding your son.
            How is he doing these days?
            Uncle Abi like details!!

    • woldu hadgu

      Dear TG:

      This offensive have sinister aim behind it. As I said before PMAA and IA utilized evil tools to decimate the people of Tigray using Darkness, Plague, Sword and Famine. One by one the tools failed to achieve the end result. Now what is left for the two radical evils and their cohorts is to try one more time to at least destroy or hide the evidences of genocide committed by them. According to their plan if they succeed to destroy or bury the evidences they will not face the judgement. That is what they believe.

      Also IA’s fear of attack by TDF is not because he is worried about Eritrea or its people. He proved to be callous and bully and nothing is left to the land or the people. But he is worried the discovery of the evidences of his brutality that can be found in the gulags.

      The scariest nature of evil people is they care about their reputation. Hitler and Joseph Goebbels instructed the guards to prepare enough gasoline to burn their corpses after they took their own lives.

  • Brhan

    Salamat Awate
    Africa Is Changing—and U.S. Strategy Is Not Keeping Up
    Washington Needs to Rethink Its Approach to the Continent
    By Jon Temin
    October 8, 2021
    Mr. Temin says:
    “U.S. officials made the same mistake in Ethiopia, embracing Ahmed Abiy when he became prime minister in 2018 without asking many questions. To be sure, Abiy made a number of early moves that were genuinely encouraging and suggested that Ethiopia was making a turn toward respect for human rights. But the United States—along with many other countries, the Nobel Committee, and some commentators (including this author)—were too quick to elevate Abiy and portray him as a new type of leader. (The United States made the same mistake with his predecessor Meles Zenawi.) Far from leading Ethiopia toward a democratic future, Abiy has fanned the flames of ethnic hatred and led the country into a horrific civil war.”

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/africa/2021-10-08/africa-changing-and-us-strategy-not-keeping

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate forum participants,

    By now, you might have heard about the news coming from Libya.

    The Libyan government is rounding up refugees, and as we know, there are many Eritrean refugees among them.

    The goal of this Libyan gov’t is not clear, but it seems that the EU is behind the recent crackdown. In one way, the EU and Libya seem to stop the tragedies due to the refugees’ unsafe sailing to Europe. In another way, the EU might have decided to seal this Libyan tour to prevent the influx of refugees. But, the priority now is the condition of these refugees at the moment. Reports are talking about the dire situation of the detention centers, and even today, they indicated that the Libyan authorities shot five refugees.
    The UN, the AU, and the West are preoccupied with the war in Tigray regarding Africa.

    The Eritrean refugees’ case is clear to the world. While the end of dictatorship in Eritrea is the permanent solution to their plight, other temporary solutions like resettlement in a safe third country have saved many the lives of many refugees. Libya, which came from the war, was a hub for many Eritreans during the 80s and 90s of the last century. Eritreans had access to education and employment there. At this time, it is building up itself again and, the UN should support and encourage Libya to provide the refugees there local settlement where they can learn and work.

    You might ask where is the PF(DJ) in this all. I will share with you what one Eritrean who was in Libya told me
    ገዲፉኒ ዝኸደ ….ይኺድ ( Let the one who left me go to hell!)

    • haileTG

      Selamat Brhan,

      I don’t exactly know what can be done for the current urgent situation. May be demonstration, petition and the likes by country IMO. But, no doubt it is very precarious situation. Do you know of any action being undertaken by Eritrean organizations at the moment? I hear a lot calls going out, but not sure if anyone is leading some initiative.

      • Brhan

        Selma haileTG,
        To make long story short: What is the goal of the demonstration? A lot have been done that address the Eritrean refugees’ situation in Egypt, Israel, Libya, Ethiopia, Sudan but till this day no solution. It has become a cycle. For me I see the demos, petition should address
        1) Allow Eritrean Refugees to have a decent basic life where they are: give them access to education , work , health and other social services
        2) Resettlement to third safe countries specially to women, teenagers, an unaccompanied children , refugees with disability and seniors
        3) Third countries such the West while they have to continue in providing #2 they have to use their UN membership to pressure refugee hosting countries to treat the refugees humanely

        • haileTG

          Hey Brhan,

          Good points. My concern was with the urgent situation, especially those who are running away from detention are likely to end up in streets. In terms of longer term solution, I agree with you.

          • Brhan

            Hi haileTG,
            Yes , but I believe #3 works. The the US or the EU give a call to the Libyan gov’t or the UN or the AU.

          • haileTG

            Hi Brhan,

            Very true. Actually, instead of wasting time on petition, calling local govt local and district representative offices may be speedy. Money is the other thing needed too.

    • Ismail AA

      Hayak Allah Ustaz Brhan,

      Thank you for sharing the dire situation facing our compatriots in Libya. It is real source of concern which deserves attention of everyone of us. They need help ranging from moral, (اضعف الاءيمان) legal, publicity and material support. Their tragic situation get compounded by the sad situation in which the opposition that is supposed to rally support for them finds itself. Anyway, the least that can be done is spreading their message in every way possible like local communities in diaspora taking initiatives to send appeal to relevant quarters.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    A heart breaking video of young Eritreans who broke out of a Libyan jail today is linked. The secretary general of the accursed PFDJ told us recently that his priority is Ethiopian Unity and TPLF not to return to power [in its own country]. Young Eritreans, who could have done so much with their lives, are racing the streets of foreign lands with no aim whatsoever. Their brothers and sisters are also similarly thrown into Ethiopia’s brutal civil war – to bring shame and dishonor to their country’s reputation. If this is not a curse, what is? How long are good Eritreans going to dance for the devil on the altar of hate, sacrificing the blood of their young? I still have hope one day they will wake up, though not sure when!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gj303OkGu8

  • iSem

    Hi awatista:
    Abiy Ahmed plagiarizes MZ: “I am proud to be born from you”. Then he delves into the 3000 years myth that destroyed the young of the not so “young” Ethiopia. Ethiopia is mentioned in the Bile. He then makes false statement about the first prayer caller Bilal. Bilal was not Ethiopian, he was black, and slave. But despite all these lies the ignorant crowds chant, oblivious that the shallow leaders that quotes irrelevant verses not linked to his Ethiopia are going to their slaughter.
    He is still talking about martyrdom, which is a fancy word for those warmongers take to their deaths, while those western leaders he is trying to mick by quoting holly books are working hard to create robots to replace soldiers, so no one will die in war, if the civilized nations are forced to go to wars against the uncivilized.
    So proof again that Ethiopia is in the weeds for big trouble and destroying Tigray and collaborating with IA are not the antidotes for the troubles that await it this artificial country. Instead of investing in Artificial intelligent this artificial country— a hodge-podge collection of entities, not unlike Afghanistan, and needed by Melelik has created artificial problem to destroy people and in the process itself.
    Good riddance, rest in peace 3000 old Ethiopia

    • Ismail AA

      Selam iSem,

      Ustaz Semere, when life of empires nears expiration, such type of rulers rises at the seat of power. Ethiopia in its feudal-theocratic existence starting from the 13th Century onwards and up to the coronation of Menelik II (the comrade-in-empire building with European colonialists) had witnessed many such eras and interregnums. You might have heard or read about how the Agew Zagwe Dynasty had decayed gave way to the rise (1270) of a Yukuno Amlak to power in league with the clergy who used a chronicle of legends, which existed since the 12th century known as “Kibre Negest”, to bolster his legitimacy in exchange of accepting their interpretation of the Orthodox Christian doctrine as the faith of the kingdom, and thereby symbiotically sharing power that rested in ownership and the land. This joint exploitation and impoverishment of the peasantry endured until the reign of Hailesellassie I.

      Later on, subsequent kings and the clergy went on chronicling more legends dubbed laws of monarchs since the 14th century in the so called “Fitha Negest”. To make a long story short, then, you have the decadence of the Gondar dynasty, and how mediocre monarchs like Iyasu II (the little) provided regional warlords and common outlaws to wreak havoc on the peasantry and assumed king maker roles until one of them prevailed to enthrone himself. You might have known the warlords of Jegu, Semien and Tigrai who later on plunged the ailing empire to decades of turmoil and destruction until one from common prevailed upon the rest and crowned himself as Tewodros II. After him and Yohannes IV, another regional warlord succeeded to become emperor by taking advantage of rivalries among European colonial expansionists to get supply of modern weapons to conquer and subjugate peoples to east, west and south of his domain in Shoa, and established an empire, which at the present is ailing inherent contradictions.

      It is this situation Abiy and his die-hard empire and kingship worshiper allies are trying to somehow preserve and rule in a kind of patched up unitary state governance. But the question that refuses to disappear is: Which empire that was built on conquest, subjugation and enslavement had survived similar internal dynamics of de-composition? The strange irony the elites among the former power base of Ethiopia’s imperial legacy stubbornly resist the workings of history and continue due to mindsets hypnotized by centuries of proselytization of mythology woven in concocted legends.

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Dear @iSem:disqus @Ismail AA:disqus

      Shouldn’t the history of Ethiopia be left alone to Ethiopians on how to teach their history to their children as it pleases them? Isn’t that the basic fundamental of creating patriotic citizens? Your resentment towards Ethiopian history is understandable, but Ethiopian history is juicy, and Bilal is Habesh. Lot’s of Ethiopian muslims are proud of Bilal, and Nejashi, it will be heartbreaking to attempt to take that sense of belonging away.

      Patriotic = “one who loves and supports his or her country,”
      Every nation has its own story/history. It got good and bad in it. But the choice to teach children with a history that is twisted for the purposes of creating patriotism is absolutely ok. I think Ethiopians who love their country have the right to tell the history of their country as it pleases them.

      If we apply the same things to Eritreans, who love to tell their history of Eritrea as a victim according to Nigareet 146 ! , and not owning to their failure when they were presented with an opportunity of a multi-party nation backed with an election that was given by the British. If I may ask you all a question without prejudice, what if the first bullet was not fired in Eritrea , how many lives would have been saved to date? Did it ever cross your mind what would be like being Eritrean today?

      • Abi

        Hello RA
        You are a little bit too logical for the logic deprived individual to understand your points.
        ሎጂክና አይሴም መንገድ ከተላለፉ ሃምሣ አመታት አስቆጥረዋል:: ላይታረቁ ተጣልተዋል::

      • Ismail AA

        Selam ustaz Reclaim Abyssinia,

        Thank you for your brief rejoinder.

        Actually, I do not resent Ethiopian history. I just deal with it as field of knowledge about the peoples and territories that past rulers had put together to form an empire-state we came to know as Ethiopia. I say this with an understanding that history is field of study about life of peoples in all forms and essences of existence. Broadly stated, it factual knowledge about human activities at different levels of development, and when this is properly investigated by utilization of scientifically verifiable tools of research to separate facts from myths and fables, it becomes source of knowledge that belongs to humanity. Political history is one segment of history that studies social organizations.

        Now, if I have understood you well, your view about national states possessing freedom to transmit their past to posterity as means of establishing and reinforcing identity as expressed or practiced as “patriotism” would be reduction of history to serve ideological revisionism. This will lead to mutilation of history and its aesthetic and material value will be forfeited. And, if a nation engages in such practice, then its history would loss coherence. Every ruler or rulers will twist and change the narrative of their peoples.

        Regarding the hypotheical question you asked me about Eritrea and its armed struggle for self-determination, I can only tell you that the Eritrean people had responded to fate agents of history had tried to impose on them. If imperial powers and Emperor Hailesellasie had left them alone, they would have taken a course of organizing their life.

        • Reclaim Abyssinia

          Thank you Ustaz Ismail AA,
          It looks like I learned one thing today, in the context of “Myths and fables” and you just remind me of the juicy story of “Gudit Yodit”, lots of people want it to be true, and it’s getting there. She is now in history as one of the greatest female Queens. Who fought all the priests and churches because they wouldn’t accept her to become a Queen as a female.
          which is the story that I love. I enjoyed growing up learning, all the great history of Ethiopia, the great empire, the breadbasket of Africa, the greenest and virgin Ethiopia, etc. So mutilation of history can be important to serve a purpose.

          “If imperial powers and Emperor Hailesellasie had left them alone…” This actually doesn’t answer the question, however, it’s sensitive..

          How would you respond if I say, If Eritrean peasants were in compliance, of His Majesty Selassie I, or if I address Them with the full title “By the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Elect of God”
          they would have taken a course of organizing their life, then Ethiopia and Eritrea wouldn’t have found themselves to be on their knee today… poverty and crises.

          May be Ethiopia and Eritrea needs, ‘apology day’ “የይቅርታ ቀን” instead of “Ethiopiaywe day”
          Cheers,
          Reclaim

          • Ismail AA

            Selam ustaz Reclaim Abyssinia,

            Again, thank you for input. I think fables and myths are common old as existence of organized historical communities. This cannot be contested. Many of them are enjoyable for socially entertaining and value embodied story telling purposes such as around the fire place chatting for adults and bed time stories for children as you have indicated. The critique is, however, when such generational fables and myths are taken as established historical facts and utilized as source of legitimacy of rulers.

            You can see this in how the legend of Queen Saba was crafted and chronicled in “Kibre Negest” to connect the so-called restoration (The Agew Dynasty was considered usurpation and, thus, illegitimate) king (Yukuno Amlak) to the Holy Land. Otherwise, that king started as humble peasant background as the line of king Teclehaimonot of Ankober did, and later on Kassa of Quara and Kassa of Tembein had done.

            Thus, “… the great history of Ethiopia, the great empire, the breadbasket of Africa, the greenest and virgin Ethiopia, …” is the royal version of history with roots in myth and legends you and I are exchanging views on. The reverse question is: How about the downtrodden and devastated life of the peasantry under those monarchs and they’re freely marauding hordes of armies who lived on the exploits of poor peasants?

            As to the cause of the Eritrean people and the historical course they took to decided their destiny as a nation was the rejection of the title of the king and every meaning it had embodied. In a word, thus, they did not want to organize their existence as a nation under the burden those titles, their meaning and purpose entailed. Who would not want to pay what the Eritrean people had paid to avoid falling to medieval tutelage and enslavement?

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            I thank you Ustaz Ismail.

            You know your Ethiopian history, you can squeeze thousand years of history easily in a paragraph without missing its context, is that from AA Uni? I’m gone jump straight to your last paragraph, even though I enjoyed all your contents. Btw, I don’t believe I carry the Ustaze status yet.

            I agree with your assertion of ” was the rejection of the title of the king and every meaning it had embodied”. That statement has always been included in the teaching of Eritrea politics as the justification for the rejection of the federation being unjustified for such an advanced nation to be under the ruling of the medieval.
            The confusion and contradictory of this is that the medieval archaic king of kings was able to secure Eritrea under his thump, from the hand of advanced Eritrean people with the support of the allied force and the UN League. Let us leave all the tragedy that Eritreans can pull out of the bag regarding this matter.

            so going back to your question
            Who would not want to pay what the Eritrean people had paid to avoid falling under medieval tutelage and enslavement?

            I wouldn’t!
            ወድቆ መፈራገጥ
            ለመላላጥ
            We lost too much Sir, an unbearable amount of loss.
            Would you have, knowing where we at now?
            Was there a better way? Yes, the peaceful struggle is better than war.
            Do you know if there were peaceful struggle movements from Eritrean? It’s probably squashed by Eritreans themselves.
            What was the problem with federation? The only problem that i know is the matter with court of appeal.

            I believe Ethiopia nation itself was in the hands of the Eritrean elite during the emperor.
            I think the emperor trusted Eritrean more and it started to get bad to worst during/after the emperor. Bad under Mengy, worst under Meles, HaileMariam
            What’s now Sir? Back to square one?
            with the new king around the corner,
            my sixth sense telling me something. ‘not that I see dead people
            Do you see, what I see, round two of _________?
            Cheers,
            Reclaim

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Reclaim Abyssinia,

            Thank you for you engaging. Before I end this discussion allow me to share with you more information why the Eritrean people were compelled to engage in prolonged armed struggle. As you might know, the federal relationship with Ethiopia lasted 10 years from 1952 up to 1962 when the Emperor Hailesellassie unilaterally abrogated the internationally endorsed agreement. The armed struggle was launched in September 1961. During the ten-year period, there was continued violation of the agreement. The official languages were cancelled and replaced by Amharic, the flag was de-hoisted, the state insignias erased and the federal relationship changed to administrative regional status. All these steps were manipulated through internal loyal unionist proxies through the chamber of parliament, bribes like traditional titles and money. At the end, power was shifted to the resident representative of the emperor as the sovereign head of the federation in accordance with the implementation of UN General Assembly Resolution of 1952.

            Now, then, the Eritrean people were resisting those violations peacefully by sending appeals and memorandums to the Emperors and the United Nations. They send delegations to the emperor in order to persuade change the policies he was imposing through various tactics, and to the United Nations. Some prominent politicians faced harassment and jailing as some were assassinated by hired killing squads in Asmara. One of the victims was Maryr Abulkader kebire who shot dead on the eve of his departure to the United Nations. Many politicians were forced to flee the country due to harassments.

            During those years, there was peaceful resistance movement called the Eritrean Liberation Movement that was formed in 1958 and led the peaceful resistance up to the formation of the Eritrean Liberation Front in 1960 which started the armed struggle precisely one year later. So, as you can see, the costly struggle was not the first choice of the Eritrean people.

            Thanks again.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista, update #2

    “Airstrikes against Tigrayan forces in Ethiopia’s northern region of Amhara have intensified, a spokesman for the Tigrayan forces said on Friday, which he said could presage a ground push against the Tigrayan forces by the Ethiopian military and its allies.”

    https://africa.cgtn.com/2021/10/08/airstrikes-against-tigrayan-forces-intensify-in-ethiopias-amhara-region-tplf-spokesman/

    • Abi

      ኃይልዬ
      ጉድ ፈላ ዘንድሮ!!
      ሱሪህን በአንገትህ ልታወልቀው ነው::
      ከጎሬዋ የራቀች አይጥ ውሎ አድሮ የድመት ወይም የጭልፊት እራት መሆኗ አይቀርም::
      ከምድር ታንከኛው ከሰማይ ንስሮቹ ….
      ልጨርሰው?

      • haileTG

        Abichu,

        The great race to where you already are has begun. The prize is to keep what you already have:-)

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          You consider yourself extremely lucky if you keep the Dedebit caves.
          መጣሁብህ!!

      • woldu hadgu

        Abi:

        Because you sow wind you will reap whirlwind. You are sick. To heal your self please read Dostoyevsky’s ” The underground man”

        • Abi

          Hello woldu hadgu
          መልዕክቱ ደርሶናል:: መልስ እስክንሰጥህ እደጅ ሆነህ ተጠባበቅ::

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Ras Abi,

        Pls listen to the witness of Amara farmers on the virtue and discipline of TDF as oppose to the propaganda of the Ethiopian army and governments. The truth spoken by your own people.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXEAC8xbNSQ

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Amanuel
          ትክክል ብለዋል ጌታው!
          ለጀግናው የትግራይ ህዝብ የጠለቀ አክብሮትና አድናቆት ስላለን ጀግነቱንም ለአገር መከታ መቆሙንም ከጀግኖቹ እንማራለን::

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    A recommended read from US Embassy Asmara,

    ============
    US Embassy Asmara:

    Interesting read: U.S.-EU solidarity in the international effort to persuade ALL national, regional and local actors concerned to agree to an immediate cessation of hostilities and allow unimpeded humanitarian access and relief to affected populations in Tigray; urge the TPLF to halt its offensive and withdraw its forces from the Amhara and Afar Regions and the Amhara regional government to withdraw its forces from western Tigray; and reiterates the need for the Eritrean Government to withdraw its forces immediately and permanently from Ethiopia.

    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2021-0421_EN.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2L2J3ff4nkpPZeAewdGw2i_6eiRYiOR1N_spAwbsTI4xFs-G88YhoR5A8

  • sara

    selamat awtistas…
    good news from and for Africa
    now there is vaccine for malaria….
    the noble prize for literature was won by an African

    • iSem

      Hi Sara:
      Good news on both fronts and the committee smartened up this year and awarded the peace prize to two journalist who courageously reported frm within repressive regimes
      Abi was dreaming Abiy A will get the prize again 🙂

      • sara

        selam ato semere,,,
        its unfortunate most noble awards for peace this past few years dint brought the intended goals… start with Obama the drone president who has
        killed many innocent people, the lady from Myanmar, which brought the largest refugee crises in the world that drove over a million Rongiya Muslims
        to Bangladesh, and rest is as you know////
        i think the noble prize comes with bad omen with it,,,and i am afraid some thing will come to the Philippines and Russia in the foreseeable future,
        with the Americans this days doing what they are known for in the south china sea and north Europe.

        • iSem

          Hi Sara:
          Thanks, I forgot about. You see Myanmar. Mr. borrowed drone PM could not qualify for the MO Ibrahim award but qualified for the Noble prize without showing anything except talk. But the latest peace prizes different, these are not in power, they are jounalist reporting from within tryannys.
          And the malaria vaccine i the best gift to Africa.
          thanks again for the good news

    • woldu hadgu

      Dear Sara:

      What did you learn from what you posted?

      Good people and good leaders produce good people who win Nobel prizes and who work day and night to help humanity by discovering vaccines. On the contrary the leader of your country (IA) and his cohort leader of Ethiopia (AH) kill people and destroy health facilities.

      I hope you are on the side of Good.

      • sara

        selam Mr. hadgu,
        “leader of your country (iA) and his xxxxx,,,,,,
        good to know from where you are! thanks.

  • Brhan

    Merhaba Awate forum participants,
    Rarely news agencies translate an article to another language. When they do it means the article is significant. AJ Arabic translated this The Washington Post’s opinion:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/06/why-us-should-call-famine-violence-tigray-genocide/
    https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2021/10/7/%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A8%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B4%D9%86%D8%B7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D9%84%D9%87%D8%B0%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89 ( for those who read Arabic)

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    An article to check out on the latest issue of “The Economist”:

    “No favours for killers
    Ethiopia is deliberately starving its own citizens
    The world should apply whatever pressure it can to force it to stop”

    The Economist

    • Kaddis

      Selam Haile –
      Will Abiy get confidence from his own coronation drama of forming a government to lead a peaceful way out in tigray and oromia ? ( lets hope)
      Will he finish the bullied/ coerced roadmap given by Isias and implanted by Ezema and let Ethiopia fully sanctioned by US and EU? dry its meager dollar generated in manufacturing, Ethiopian airlines ( forget the flower farms if ET is down)
      There is a group that is shaking for sure within the government reporting in the middle of the night ( just now ) they delivered 300 million cash to Meqele for humanitarian reason.
      Regardless – Isias got Abiy’s balls for sure and he will make sure Ethiopia resembles Eritrea in a worse form….even though EPRDF’s built structure is self sustaining

      its just they didn’t expected the lives of Tigrayans are this expensive.
      That they know.
      Its costing them everything.
      Cheers

      • haileTG

        Selamat Kaddis,

        You’re right, pride comes before fall! I just heard now that the EU has given until end of October for all parties to enter negotiations and Eritrea to withdraw. Failing that deadline, the EU will also impose sanctions.

        • Kaddis

          Selam Haile TG,
          the irony is the day this years’ nobel peace prize winners are announced ( two journalists ) the last year winner Abi z baby is waging more war for more death and destruction …
          I am glad I am not raising my kids in this deceiving and violent nation

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ አርከይ
      ኢትዮጵያን ለመጣል ተንበርክከህ የአውሮፓና የአሜሪካ መንግስታት እንዲታደጉህ ጉልበትህ እስኪላጥ ብትፀልይም መፍትሄ አላመጡልህም::

      ፀጉርህን ነጭተህ መለጥከው
      ጨጏራህ በንዴት ተላጠ
      ጉልበትህ በፀሎት ተላጠ
      ፊትህ በመንከባለል ተገጣጠበ

      እርቃንህን ቀረህ
      ምስኪኑ ወንድሜ ነገ የማስተዛዘኛ ዘፈን ጀባ እልሃለሁ:: እስከዛው ከሰበሰብከው ውድ መጠጥ ለራስህ ቅዳ::
      ደጋግመው!!

      • Kebessa

        Abi is the angriest awatista these days. He has become Arthur Spooner of ‘King of Queens’:) one of my favorite shows.

        PS: Check out Ethiopian Airlines FB page….they’re kind of admitting to the CNN report & they vowed to get tough on whistle blowers. Oh boy…what good can one possibly get from Isaias’ friendship. Ethiopia needs to cut him loose ASAP before he degrades Ethiopian Airlines to Eritrean Airlines level

        • Abi

          Hello Kebessa
          ምነው ወዳጄ በማይመጣው መጣህብኝ? በኢሱዬ? በጀግናው? በቆራጡ መሪ? በቁርጥ ቀን ደራሹ? ቀኝ እጄን !
          በል ቶሎ ንስሐ ግባ! ይህ አነጋገርህ ያስቀስፍሃል::

          እዋይ ድፍረት!!
          Arthur was one of the funniest people in the world. RIP.

      • haileTG

        Abichu

        እሺ ወንድሜ፡ ብቻ የነገ ምርጫ ኣስተካክል፡ ባለ መቶ ዶላር ዋይን እንዳንበሳ ቀጥ ብሎ እየተጠባበቀ ነው። መንከባለሉ፡ ከሙዚቃውና የጣዕመ-እርካታ ጠርሙዙ ጋር ይከናወናል:-)

  • Berhe Y

    Dear HaileTG, iSem, Woldu, Desbele

    Sorry for the delay in responding. I was recovering from the knock out punch you landed on my. I wish I can respond in details but my reply will be very short and brief.

    1) I used SOB phrase, quoting FDR. If you guys want and change to “Evil” instead of “SOB”, I agree I have no problem. You know as well as I do, I was not commenting on his degree of evilness or try to minimize the pain he has caused on us and others. So stop this righteousness nonsense that you try to imply as if I am supporting evil.

    2) Get over your head. Not supporting and agreeing TDF / TPLF to come and remove him for us, when we should do it ourselves, it does not mean and equal to supporting PFDJ. The only thing that I don’t agree with you is on using external force to remove him. You are convinced it’s a good idea, I am not. Let’s move on and agree to disagree. If I am right or you are right, time will tell. But do you need me to agree and be on the same boat as you when I know, based on facts and statistics the world over, what you are proposing worked on on less than 10% and failed on over 90%. If I am a betting man, I will not put my bet on 10% success rate when I know I can bet on 90%. You have given up on the Eritrean people, I have not. As simple as that.

    Let me make it simple for you. Suppose we were members of parliament or congress. And we have a bill to vote if we should invite TPLF to come and save us. You vote and say Yay and I vote an say nay. So save the prayers, save the guilty trap, save you being righteousness.

    3) No body is supporting the PFDJ to rape their children to murder their sons and daughters. No human being that we know off, is capable of doing that. You are parents and you know this, so treating people as if they are subhuman and incapable of deciding right and wrong is taking yourselves too seriously. They know and they live it, they are the one who are mourning the loss of their children. Be sympathize with the victims please.

    4) ERITREAN people are under the grip of a DICTATOR like any other countries before us who have gone through. The degree of cruelty from one dictator to another may be different but dictatorship is the same. They stay in power by instilling FEAR among the population. The only way to over come dictatorship is to over come FEAR. When the whole population is able to FACE and OVERCOME FEAR, then we will see what we all dream about.

    • haileTG

      Anta Berhe gidef eba!

      When is it that you read me asking for TPLF to invade Eritrea on my behalf? False allegations are the reason why the evil is justified. Please, stick to points that you have verified.

      I believe Tigray is fighting a just war of resistance. I believe blockade as a means of war is immoral and targeting civilians too. I believe PFDJ has caused serious harm and must pay the price. With any means necessary.

      If Amhara, Tigray, Oromo, Italy or France want to control Eritrea, I don’t need anyone’s permission to fight. I also don’t need to defend PFDJ in the name of Eritrea.

      What is happening to Eritreans, Tigrayans, Ethiopians is immoral. I fully oppose it and condemn it. I see no benefit for Eritrea from the genocide of Tigray. Those who do are speaking with forked tongue to humanize the evil position they are holding. The implications of which may even become personal. Because it is individual persons who are tied up and thrown to the river.

      I wash my hands of the blood of those innocent victims and I respect your choice to have an interest on the outcome. PFDJ is evil and so are those who see to profit from evil. But, defending Eritrea the honorable and moral way is my sacred duty. No doubt about it. I need not rely on evil to do so. MasTa alowo.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi HaileTG,

        Here I am copying your other reply so I don’t misunderstand you.

        Suppose that the TDF launch offensive on EDF, and soon after IA sees that he can't stop it and jumps ship (leaves the country). A transitional administration is set up and a peaceful resolution is sought. Do you think such an outcome would be bad?

        1) This is possible but chances are it is easier said than done. I have mentioned in my earlier example, it’s easier said than done. If you think this can happen, there is nothing the TPLF stopping it from doing so. They are not like waiting my signature to proceed. But in good concise, I will not support TDF or any other external entity to use force and bring about change.

        The way I understand you is that you're forcing a choice between two extremes of an outcome. Such is known as a false dichotomy between contraries because it misses the excluded middle which is often a more likely outcome.

        I am not forcing a choice between two extreme of outcome. I am basing my argument based on supported research that was done by experts who live and study this type of change. In the middle east and Africa specially, the outcome is a disaster and in all measure the people and the country are worse off than they were before.

        The two false choices set up in your argument vis-a-vis TDF offensive are: save or die. There is a continuum between these two extreme ends, such as the regime taking off and Eritreans setting up a transitional government.

        All I can say is you are not naïve, and you know as well as I do this is not remotely possible.

        Finally, the issue is never about Eritreans seeking change, it is about the regime bracing for war to defend Ethiopian Unity and I don't know why you ignore that whether we need change or not, the conflict the regime is involved in has nothing to do with it.

        Nothing is stopping them from fighting the regime in Eritrea are fighting the regime in Ethiopia. As I said, they need to do what they need to do. But please spare me the excuse that TPLF will do it for us and it will help us setup transitional government and we live happy ever after. You see it, I don’t.

        And finally let’s say I am wrong and you are right. I will tell you, I was wrong and you were right.

        • haileTG

          Selamat Berhe,

          Thanks for taking up these questions, I thought you decided not to engage them, I was wrong. I think they can potentially help us see where the pitfall is.

          on your #1, you made good response until you added:

          “I will not support TDF or any other external entity to use force and bring about change.”

          In fact, the above is the most crucial point of contention that I will only focus on it. Because, if we resolve that point you made here, all other things we are arguing about will be irrelevant (they are all based on the assumption of the above).

          You see, the current threat of force against Eritrea is not born out of Eritreans seeking change in Eritrea. It is what is happening as a result of PFDJ actions in Tigray and now in other parts of Ethiopia. I don’t have a change agenda that requires TPLF or any other entity to effect. I don’t expect them to burden themselves with that nor do I accept them doing it.

          The TDF/TPLF wants to respond to the threat posed to itself by the Eritrean regime. The regime has been accused of, and in some cases proven, to have committed serious violations in Tigray. The regime has decided to fight TPLF in order “to secure Ethiopia’s unity and TPLF not returning to power”. The regime is present in Western Tigray region and has also engaged in many battles in Tigray in the past months.

          Can we safely leave our/my need for change in Eritrea out of these and consider the issue from moral point of view? Morally, I reject the actions of the regime. Secondly, if it brings its dirty war to Eritrea proper, I would only support Eritreans who would step up to assume responsibility of their country. I believe those Eritreans are the lawful custodians of the nation and its affairs. The conflict with Tigray is one affair and we will resolve it peacefully with Tigray and Ethiopia as a whole.

          PFDJ is a dishonorable entity and it will not bring the conflict it entered into peaceful resolution. It is a criminal entity and I don’t wish to associate my patriotism with it.

          Equally, I don’t wish the Tigrayan resistance to be defeated so that I get some sort of peace of mind for my narrow self interest. I believe in rights and justice, for myself and others. Not for myself, at the expense of others.

          So, I am not seeking change from TDF, but there are many people like me who will not subordinate their patriotism to an evil entity called PFDJ. TDF would not and can’t control Eritrea but it sure has legitimate questions for PFDJ, I want the latter to face the music. That way I don’t partake in its damnation.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            I do not have a problem with your proposal, as I said earlier, every person, region or government have the right to defend themselves, that include Tigray people as well.

            I have a couple of questions that I see a bit of contradiction, in the way you approach.

            Morally, I reject the actions of the regime. Secondly, if it brings its dirty war to Eritrea proper, I would only support Eritreans who would step up to assume responsibility of their country. I believe those Eritreans are the lawful custodians of the nation and its affairs. The conflict with Tigray is one affair and we will resolve it peacefully with Tigray and Ethiopia as a whole.

            Who do you have in mind when you say “I would only support Eritreans who would step up to assume responsibility of their country. Eritreans who are lawful custodians of the nation and its affairs”?

            For example the group organized by AI of Assena who declared their commitment and conditions :
            1) we have a common enemy, IA and PFDJ
            2) We only work with those who only want to have alliance with TPLF to bring change.

            TDF would not and can’t control Eritrea but it sure has legitimate questions for PFDJ, I want the latter to face the music. That way I don’t partake in its damnation.

            Just curious, why do you think it’s okay for TPLF to go to negotiations with Abiy government? All the accusations attributed to Eritrea, I think allies to Abiy government as well if not mistaken and more probably, specially with the blockage.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            Two very good questions.

            #1 lf the regime is attacked and collapse, the Eritrean people need to set up a transitional administration. It shall include members of civil, religious, police, military, diaspora based representatives, scholars, community groups. Also, observer teams from agreed upon third parties and members of international institutions who would work on humanitarian activities. The transitional committee should set up interim government and activate the constitutional work and elections.

            #2 PMAA and TDF have a common country they have to figure out how to share and live together. PFDJ has no business with TDF other than to return all looted items, be accountable for the destruction in Tigray and then mind its own business. Do you want Itrun to negotiate with Migbey on which of his wife’s gold earrings belong to her and which to Migbey’s wife? There is no issues to negotiate except to get out of there.

            If AI has other issues or Agazian have different issues, it is totally unfair to allege that HTG also has the same issue. I can understand the cursed PFDJ and supporters saying that but I am puzzled why you want to follow that generalization. They own their beliefs and I do mine. You saw the disturbing video I shared recently of a Tigrayan man being tied to be thrown alive to the river. I want my hands clean of his blood. Standing with PFDJ is to receive the responsibility of that blood on one’s life. If eyes are given to see, which is a purpose, conscience of right and wrong is also given for a purpose to choose right over wrong. Just as eyes choose light over darkness.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            Let me tell you the good news first.

            I only asked as I don’t know who you have in mind will be the transition government. You know this is an impossible task to do it successfully. Unless there is a group, entity which is ready to assume power, it’s impossible to setup such power after the fall of any regime. That’s the main reason I strongly support Eritrean initiated change is the ONLY guarantee to have successful transition. In our case even it’s worse because those of us in diaspora at least for the past 20 or so years were not able to create a united front that can challenge the regime even diplomatically outside let alone create a successful transition government in a country where half its population is armed in one way or another and there is a strong culture of military and a regime which has nothing to lose if it lives or dies.

            The reality will be if TDF has succeeded, it will be the primary group which dictates terms like any occupying force would do. That may be the best way for some people but it’s day dreaming I think for most people.

            Now let me tell you the bad news.

            PFDJ will not leave Gondor if that’s where it is, without making sure ENDF is capable of protecting the boarder with Sudan. He is not going to just leave do it becomes TPLF lunch.

            In other words, your suggestion means the blood shed will continue and there is no end in sight.

            * Kutisha and other good earrings is just a small problem, I am afraid Tigray will go through what happened in Yemen, ignored by the world eventually and TPLF nothing much it can do military.

            * I listed to some of the SC testimony and statements.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            I will give one unsolicited advice and one probable scenario based on what I have been gathering by keeping my ears close to the ground and listening hard.

            #1 Unsolicited advice:

            It is not good to base one’s forward looking statements too much on imagined outcomes. That usually leads to unrealistic expectations that are mostly projected by what we wish or fear. When the Tigray leadership retreated by abandoning all its assets in November 2020, I tried to carefully follow the reaction of the Tigray people and the political change taking place in US elections. I also looked at the way the war was being conducted and consistencies of what was being reported from all sides. Having listened like that I decided to believe that Ethiopia will not win the war easily. Many argued that TDF can’t possibly withstand prolonged conflict, it lacked weapons and logistics, it is also unlikely for it to assemble mechanized divisions for conventional war. They further argued that given those shortcomings, TDF doesn’t have time on its side and things will have long moved on. Somehow, I was convinced otherwise, but obviously the arguments were valid and formidable at the time. So much so many were intoxicated by the early victories, TDF leaders were ridiculed, compared to ghosts and hopeless cases – non-existent at best.

            But you saw the outcome, you saw the mobilization, you saw the determination and clearly, many were taken aback and forced to change their tune. Now too, some are making foolish predictions based on narrow advantages of one side. I believe that PMAA and TDF will be forced into negotiated settlement but a major conflict will happen that would change the current balance fundamentally and world opinion significantly. No point in comparing the Tigray outcome to Yemen or other places, it is very different. The variables don’t match.

            Probable Scenarios vis-a-vis Eritrea

            The following is as far as I can gather from many sources who seem to be close to the leading thoughts in the Tigrayan circles.

            Contrary to what is being reported, EDF fought its major battles around central Tigray well before the TDF push to Mekelle. Its current military positioning is in very few northern Tgrayan localities and western Tigray. Its actual composition is enough for reconnaissance and other small scale presence. It is not certain if EDF would deploy more forces to engage TDF when and if the latter goes towards Humera soon. Here is the inside scoop: the strategy from TDF is apparently to take several towns in southern Eritrea by deploying as much force as needed in offensives to be carried out. Such a move would very much depend if EDF decides to engage TDF in western Tigray directly in support of Amhara. If not, it may be that the fight would only focus on Amhara and ENDF as TDF attempts to clear the western Tigray corridor. If EDF decides to deploy and fight, it would be almost certain that an offensive will be launched to control major towns in southern region of Eritrea. So, the info I get is that EDF doesn’t really have great presence inside Ethiopia, certainly not in the scale of the early stages of the conflict.

            If the scenario that leads to war inside Eritrea happens, I am not sure what the choices of IA is. It could be to launch full scale war and the result will have to be seen. If it leads to his downfall, please don’t underestimate that Eritreans can gather together to set up interim transition. There was no TDF when TPLF abandoned all bases and fled to the countryside. I have seen many occasions in my life where such spontaneous and fast paced organizations sprung up to fill gaps. Even if many Eritreans are not cohesively organized, you never know, they could pull something. It is not fair to reduce the choices to PFDJ or TDF when there are tens of groups outside and hopefully many sections of society inside. We should not write off Eritreans just like that. They don’t have to present a certain structure right now, the formation of that structure can surprise you in speed and efficacy. We are not doomed by other people’s fate.

            I hope the above sounds reasonable to you. Regarding the TDF war plans, it is not my opinion, it is information that I spent some time sifting through many sources. The plan that is firming up seems the control of several Eritrean towns and not necessarily go to Asmara.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            Thank you and you make a good case. Just one last question, in the probable outcome you stated.

            Do you the US and may be NATO involve in this war and be on the side of TPLF and give AirPower / cover as they did in Libya?

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            Not at all. Far from it the TDF knows it will get few sanctions for it but consider it a worthwhile trade off to open the siege by threatening IA inside Eritrea. The west doesn’t want it at all, it is more headache for them.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            Most of the forumers are not debating from reading the internal dynamics and what human elements are required to resist and win a war. They are debating on their wishes on how the war should be ended. Second, to do their arguments, they never fail to bring irrelevant examples, as if the dynamics of all wars are the same. For god sake how the stoic and war tested Tigrain people could be equated to the experience of the Yemenis people? At least they can not learn from the war experience of the past few months, how the Tigray people withdrew to the mountains to regroup and restructure their TDF and launched an offensive military attack to evict their enemies from most of their territories. This people are very determined to the extent even the old experienced military officers with their “wood cane” are fighting and leading the army in an astounding manner.

            To substantiate your argument I will attach to links (a) a song in memory of their “wood cane” (b) a short film of the war from Army-4 lead by General Teklai.

            (a) https://youtu.be/4jnQYFTyDZg

            (b) https://youtu.be/oloJYeV84RI

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selamat Hailat-TG

        “ PFDJ is evil and so are those who see to profit from evil. But, defending Eritrea the honorable and moral way is my sacred duty. I need not rely on evil to do so.”

        This defines you as honorable, humane with full empathy to others. Above all, you are a genuine person with unflinching principles of humanities. Hold your ground and history will absolve you. You will not be judged by the evils but by the victims.

        Regard

    • iSem

      Hi BY:
      You used a boxing metaphor instead of Seinfeld metaphor. But I get the point
      Ok, quoting FDR about the SOB, that even make it even it worse. Because FDR was referring to some butcher dictator who was doing the dirty work for them, somere in the Middle east or Africa I guess. It is not like your unruly child or loved one that you unconditionally love when they do things you do not approve off. it is not that, it implies to someone who is doing really bad thing like what “our” SOB is doing and one still does not care to acknowledge it, because, well he is your SOB.
      IA is not doing my dirty work, he maybe SOB, but not mine. Is he yours?

      • Berhe Y

        Hi iSem,

        ንስኻትኩም በዓል ትግራይ ትዕወት: ወይ ብሓይሊ ወይ ብውዲ ከለኹም ከምይ ገርና Seinfeld ከነርክበሉ:)

        Off course what I was trying to say didn’t escape you but you are focusing on Gual Megedi.

        Let me make you happy and admit that my analogy is wrong:).

        I have already told you that I agree to call him a “devil” as you suggested.

        If he is mine and not yours, there isn’t much we can do about it. It’s not like we have a choice, as long as you are Eritrean, he is our own and that’s what I was trying to say in the comment. Don’t confuse it, I am not saying ኣይዞኹም ናይና::

        All I am saying is, he is Eritrean and he is ours and our problem, we have to deal with him in our own. By this I don’t mean, he is not a problem for TPLF and Tigray and they should deal with him the way they see fit.

        • sara

          selam ato berhe…
          i think you should take a break… in fact you deserve it….
          its you only against all/// AjayeB

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Sarina,

            You are correct. Since it’s a weekend. ናይዛ ወናም ትግራወይቲ ሶፍያ ኣጵባሃ ኪንዓቢ ከለና ንሰምዖ ዝነበርና ክንጋብዞም፥ ቁሩብ እንተዘሓለሎም

            https://youtu.be/84E1HasthM0

            On a different topic, what’s happening in Easter Sudan. What are they demanding?

          • sara

            selamat ato berhe,
            the YouTube link you sent i couldn’t see it because we have poor
            net power to view YouTube,
            as for the situation in east Sudan its very worrying it may go out of control if the central government didn’t address the problem quickly.
            it may go the way we see it in the south of our country, the situation
            is terrible in terms of social, political and economic terms….
            its unfortunate we are sandwiched between two giant countries who
            are not at peace with them selves, and if things do not stabilize soon
            it will one way or the other affect Eritrea.
            TiRG MiRg,,,, TiRG ..MiRG , is the sloganeering of east Sudan this days, its like tigrai tewet (ato semere andom may translate it better)) but may not have reached Canada yet.
            let us pray our sudan which we all love will pass through this times.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam sara,

            Thank you for sharing information from nearby. I share the concerns you have about the sad conditions the two countries you have alluded to are going through. As close neighbors, our people get affected by developments in Sudan and Ethiopia. Let us hope Sudan will be spared from sliding to internal renewed internal conflict like Ethiopia has done. It has had a good share of bloody conflicts in the recent past that ended in its dismemberment.

            The elites in Sudan must have learned lessons from the past, and they should put their acts together and read the realities on the ground properly. As I know, the regions in Sudan have been suffering from many shortcomings like negligence and corruption at the center of power in Khartoum. These problems should promptly be addressed as soon as possible before alien forces take advantage and cause again irreparable damage to the Sudan as happened with the separation of South Sudan

          • haileTG

            Hi Sara,

            I thought “Lascia che abbia qualcosa, poverino”! And here is another version of Berhe’s video:-)

            https://youtu.be/6u2itElL2AM

    • woldu hadgu

      Dear Berhe:

      There was less than 10% chance for the people of Tigray to rise from the dead. But they arose and the rest is history. It is said ” the stone that builders rejected became the corner stone”. Life is not guided by statistics. Life is too big and dear for Mr. statistics. So do not bet on life.

      As I told you before, you have an insatiable inner wish that TDF will do “our” dirt job and then? For you to say Aybelkundo? Or as we were accustomed to do, to eat the prickly pear they picked at their peril with their sweat and blood and run away without paying. Theft by Eritreans didn’t start with this war.

      What ever the people of Tigray plan, after sustaining horrendous unheard of atrocities by Eritrea, is their prerogative. They have proven again and again they UNLIKE us ERITREANS are reasonable, stoic, brave, humble, kind, far looking, insightful, peaceful, intelligent and truthful. I trust them to do the RIGHT THING.

      But there is one distinction with you: you abandon the victim (forget about your lip service) and you worry for the bully . This is sickness! Also The S.O.B stuff you brought it your self. We just replied.

      • Berhe Y

        Selam አቶ ወልዱ

        እብ እንዳ አሙነ አርጋዊ ደብረ ዳሞ ከድካ ፀበል ተሓጸብ እንተሓሸካ:: ዘይተባህለን ዘይተጻሕፈን ክምልስ ግዜ የብለይን::

        ይርዳእኻ

        • woldu hadgu

          Dear Berhe:

          You are either stubborn or you have difficulties in learning. What you recommended I wish to do it. But please stop your superficial reading and try to go deeper into the layers of wisdom we are giving you and regenerate.

  • haileTG

    According to Mark Lowcock – until June the UN’s Emergency Relief Co-ordinator:

    “Abiy has two objectives in Tigray. The first is to starve the population either into subjugation or out of existence. The second is to do that without attracting the global opprobrium that would still, even in today’s fractured geopolitical environment, arise from deliberately causing a massive famine taking millions of lives.”

    Deliberately taking millions of lives is the shocking truth behind all of the current hubris.

  • Tensae

    Food for Thought #2

    “Ethnic tensions have been high across much of Ethiopia in recent years. It is said that years ago, Nelson Mandela tried to persuade then Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi that he should be trying to create a country in which people from the many tribes and groups that make up the country see themselves as Ethiopians first, and members of their ethnic group a distant second. The examples of Tanzania under Nyerere and (more controversially) Rwanda under Kagame were cited. For whatever reason, it did not happen. This has proved Ethiopia’s Achilles heel.

    From a blog by Mark Lowcork, former Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator and a die-hard TPLFite.

    ዋይ ዳእሸ ገ እንዳበሉኻ’ዶ ትጋገ!

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,
    Who has been following the formation of the new government in Ethiopia?

    Reports coming out of Addis Ababa suggest power has been concentrated in the hand of the PM. He has effectively made himself an executive prime minister. Almost all financial, security and defense affairs organs and institutions will be directly accountable to him. Even the mundane law-and-order police and adjuncts that were formerly under the Ministry of Peace are now taken over by PM.

    To bolster his power, Dr. Abiy has surrounded himself by vetted loyalists. One can clearly see this in the naming Abraham Belay, the former Tigray state interim administrator, as defense minister; not as good will gesture towards peace in Tigray, but trusted loyalist to Abiy. This man was very much connected to him, and had been succeeding him in his previous functions he had occupied from their time both of them worked in the cyber intelligence affairs agency of the country’s security system during the border war period with Eritrea.

    The new shift of power relations is the gain garnered from the 96% win of the incomplete and disputed election without credible challengers behind bars in jails. The PP and its boss have won just 4% shy from the indignantly dismissed EPRDF sham election that made the government of the time occupy 100% of the parliamentary seats.

    Keen Ethiopia watchers have started to assess the situation; and thus far, there seems to be developing an understanding that Dr. Abiy and his party are set on track to go on with the civil war instead of peace. The way power is allocated appears to indicate Dr. Abiy has not given up on the prophesy that he would be crowned the 7th king of Ethiopia. The next move on that direction might be amending or changing the constitution. If such a move would be taken, then anticipation that it will be the battle field rather than a civilized inclusive national dialogue would settle which way Ethiopia would go seems to be more real than apparent.

    • Abi

      Hello Ismail
      You just crawled out of your coffin to distribute the weyane propaganda pamphlets.
      Get back to your coffin!
      እሬሳ

      • Ismail AA

        Hello nameless creature of God,
        Unequivocally ignored.
        Who on earth would lose half a second on what a rude pathological liar says or writes? Please get off my back, and enioy the freedom this outlet gives with a modicum of decency, which your type cannot dream of elsewhere.

        • iSem

          Hi IsmailAA:
          Abi called awate a shiftta. I would have passed that as his freedom of speech if it was on any regular day, he called him that on martyrs day, he called him that in Sep 1 too. And this comment that was deleted should qualify him for banning.
          Here is the thing ,his attack was typical PFDJ, and like PFDJ Abi is giddy that Eritreans dying in his Gonder region.
          And I hope he learns from your classy, truthful comment. He could have critiqued your comment instead of wishing you to die

          • Ismail AA

            Selam iSem and the Moderator,
            I never met among Ethiopians such a wicked person. I met so many Ethiopians as college student in my department and ordinary individuals. They are decent and dignified people. Among those I met, this individual should be an anomaly, actually a rarity. He stays in ambush just to find anything and stings his victims like a lone wasp. Never comes with anything of value except throwing a line or two just to annoy people. The dismaying thing is that some take the poison he sprays as humor, despite his long stay here in this forum has demonstrated how he behaves is his character. He doesn’t feel any shame. He gets kicked out, just lurks on the horizon and comes back to do what he is best at doing. I believe this forum does enviously preserves dignity , and should demand others to uphold their dignity and respect participants in this forum because they do not come here to be abused. Behaviorally disabled persons like this guy should oblige this forum to consider him God’s fate about which nothing can be done. As a last word, I appeal to the moderator to re-post the comment he posted today, and several in the past as well, to let fellow participants to see them.

          • iSem

            Hi Ismail AA:
            If he attacked others I would have taken it as heat of the moment when that was boiling from past debates. But here is a guy who wants IA to live and not leave and wish death to decent people like you.
            This is deserving flattery, and I have written we must emulated you.
            Even the most decent people here, sometimes, you can see they are forcing decency and biting their lips and opt for sarcasm. You never sprinkle your comments even with sarcasm, so you know this dude is cruel when he attacked you when you graced us with a succinct update on the new government and analysis
            Happy Canadian thanksgiving

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Ismael AA,
            It’s not worth it.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Woldegabriel,
            Yes indeed. Thank you.

          • Abi

            I said
            You crawled out of your coffin to distribute the weyane propaganda pamphlets. Get back to your coffin.
            እሬሳ.

    • Brhan

      Salam Alikum Ustaz Ismail
      I did and Mr. Ermias Legesse Wakjira’ take is the best analysis I have followed so far:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXIZFKMytyQ
      Mr. Wakjira, says , that the current Ethiopian parliament includes a member of parliament who wants to change the name of Ethiopia. The drama south of the border is sometimes absurd.

    • iSem

      Hi ustaz Ismail AA
      Abrha Belay is not Tigrayan, he is half Eritrean and half Amhara, probably son of some torserawit and we have may of them, I mean the real SOBs like Abiyot Ahmed who does not know his father, never mentioned him in his acceptance speech in 2018

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Ustaz iSem,
        I did not know that; thank you for the info.

  • Tensae

    Selam All,

    Food For Thought:

    “The TPLF cult thinks every ethnic Tigrayan is a member by default. As in any cult they use terminology like “family” to manipulate people to do their bidding. Their wrath is upon you, if you “turn your back” on “family.” It’s coercive control and gaslighting. ”

    Ethio-American TV Journalist Hermela Aregawi

    • Abi

      Hello Tensae
      The dead Tplf was a disgraced mafia.
      Glad to see you back.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Tensae,

      Incidentally, this quotation depicts exactly the mind of the sycophants PFDJ supporters like yourself. እታ ብናይ ብክርስትያናውያን ጦብላሕታ ዝተደኮነት ህግደፍ ውድብ፣ ንኹሉ ሕብረ-ብሄራዊት ኤርትራ ወካሊት እያ እንዳበልኩም፤ ህዝቢ ከተዳናግሩ ትውዕሉን ትሓድሩን ዘለኹም። እዛ ጥቅሲ ብዝያዳ ንዓኻትኩም ተንጸባርቅ ምዃና ዘይምርዳእካ ግን፤ ሚዛን አብርእስኻ አቀሚጣ ከምዘላ ክሕብረካ እፈቱ።

    • woldu hadgu

      Dear Tensae:

      For me (I believe I have eyes to see and ears to hear) the rising up of TEGARU (the whole people) from almost dead like the mythological Phoenix to where they are now CANNOT be the works of cult. Cultist enforcement/indoctrination always, always with no exception sucks dry the blood of courage, dream, enthusiasm, passion, determination, individual and communal zeal from its community. There is no an iota of sign in Tigray Now.

      What you see and witness (if you have eyes to see and ear to hear) in Tigray is the DEEP ROOTED culture of togetherness, Stoicism, determination in action, love of community, Love of their LAND, respect of one another, clear conscience, humility and to NEVER NEVER GIVE UP whatever the circumstance.

      Did you witness their youth fleeing their land like our youth in Eritrea? If what is happening Tigray happened in Eritrea how many people would have fled? one million? two million?

      So please quoting quotes and misinterpreting them to you own beliefs is a sign of cultish behavior. You sound intelligent and please watch out from unwanted influences.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    An interesting comments by isem to Berhe correcting “our SOB” to “our evil” and by Woldu Hadgu to Aman H about the lack of remorse by many EPLFs about what they did to ELF, got me thinking.

    Looking back 30 years now, what has been of EPLF is one of a truly saddening reality. Everything EPLF planned was scuttled, every relationship it entered was washed over by bloody conflicts, all its projects and ventures withered away without yield, life in its land turned barren and inhospitable, it wandered isolated in the world, scorned by the world institutions under CoI, it has been ridden with paranoia and feared by its own population who chose certain death to attempt to escape it, its ex fighters humiliated, incarcerated, killed and turned to refugees, and finally it has now committed crimes beyond redemption across the border…

    The concept of curse in Christianity and Islam are very similar at doctrinal level, although they differ slightly in their respective understanding and application. In Christianity, if we only look at the concept of curse as sanctioned by God (not those uttered by men), it applies in response to opposing God’s plan. Thus, the bearer of a curse is exposed to misery, misfortune and calamities in life – be it a person, group or nation. The doctrine also holds that such curses, sanctioned by God, are generational and can pass along at least 4 generations. In Islam, I don’t have deep knowledge, but from what I read, the bearer of curse is excluded from God’s mercy. I am not sure if it also applies generationally as it is accepted in Christianity. The Eastern religions distinguish between karma and shaapa. The latter is a curse placed upon the bearer of the curse by a sage/saint where as everyone has some form of karma maintained by God. Since these religions believe in multiple lives, the bearer carries these karmas from life to life. However, the doctrine of karma is extremely complex and my summary here does absolutely no justice to it.

    As you could probably guess, my analysis here is to inquire if EPLF/PFDJ is indeed a cursed organization? If so, should innocent Eritreans be not made aware to understand that it is not safe for them to involve or support such a cursed organization? There are classical scriptural interpretations in almost all religions that if you call a cursed entity “mine”, you be come one with it and share in its curses and blessings. I think brother Woldu Hadgu’s response to Aman H is very touching in the scale of evil the victims of EPLF were made to go through and in principle, no evil goes unpunished.

    Also, our Ethiopian friends need to carefully assess their association with that cursed organization and spare their country from partaking in its curses.

    • Saleh Johar

      HaileTG,
      Though your comment looks insightful, it’s a dangerous proposal. It could be my aversion to using scripture and religious justification in politics. It was done in our region for too long and we see the result. Even the religious mobilization of the early seventies is still crippling us. I hope we avoid such thoughts because the long term damages outweighs any Machiavellian gains. Just a thought.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba SGJ,

        I see the concern, that is the reason I tried, and obviously failed, to make it religion free by including all belief systems and not just one. I wish we can may be see it in terms of conscience as well for those with understandable aversion to religion. But, I genuinely get bothered about the dark shadows that follow PFDJ – may be call it MasTa if you will. But, accept my assurances, I am well beyond that to fall into mindless religiosity in politics.

        • iSem

          Hi Haile TG
          On the contrary, I do not see that comment of yours as reaching to religions for political end (although one can call fighting for dignity is political), you did not quote the scriptures to saw hate, and pit us against each other, your used two of the world’s and Eri’s greatest faiths from which we drive,most of our values and principles before EPLF snatched and buried it in Sahel. It as a unifying them in our society, how we identify a curse. Even to be equal opportunity sculpture quoter, you went out of your way and infused the two greatest faiths from the East.
          Separation of religion and the sated, does not bar one to quote the scripture or practice your faith, it prevents you from applying the holly books as the law of the land
          In the summer Emma H quoted the Bible and Beyan went through the roof and Emma replied in kind and we know how that went.
          This aversion, this hyper sensitivity to the most begin human tendency to turn to their faith for intellectual or emotional reasons or to make a cogent point against the tyrant is scary because it is strong and tha tis the reason PFDJ imprisons people of faith from both religions and all sects in Eritrea To me you made a good point how PFDJ is a curse using the regions lens that everyone could identify with unless one is pagan, which means IA and PFDJ worshipper

          • haileTG

            Thanks iSem,

            I understand the fear people feel, considering the past painful experiences or general fear of the future in religious harmony. As you noted, I tried to make the point without basing it on a specific religion. But, let me ask this question: few months ago, I was listening to an interview by a young Eritrean captive in Tigray war. In connection to the atrocity, he said that one thing that he could not get off his mind is how an old Tigrayan mother said ኤህ to them as they ransacked her home. Now, what religion is ኤህ? Can we infer the religious affliation of the elderly mother who uttered ኤህ in response to what they were doing? How many ኤህ does PFDJ have? Do you know some witnesses (ex-guards) said that some of the G-15 had gone blind due to lack of light? Went insane underground? Many mothers begged till their death to see them (Dru’Es mother) and told to go away every time? 84% of humanity has religion and it informs certain moral values as you correctly said. But, ኤህ doesn’t have religion, it is directly uttered to the creator. Unless one is an atheist, the creator is supposed to bring justice. 84% of humanity believe that. That justice comes as blessings or curses in all religions. EPLF/PFDJ is a cursed organization and its supporters are bound to share in the curse. We don’t need Hinduism, Christianity or Buddhism to decipher ኤህ. Again, ኤህ can’t be analyzed ideologically or politically, it is an individual experience. I avail myself to say the religion free ኤህ to the evil and cursed PFDJ:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            All religions, aside their teaching of faith to the faithful, they teach about morality, ethics, and humanities which attribute to the coexistence of human being. So if we quote from religious values pertinent to morality, ethics, and humanities are not harmful. Rather, they are benevolent traits. We have seen the most revered civil right activist, Martin Luther king citing many quotes from the holy books in his rallying speeches in the American civil right movements. But the hypocrite Eritreans have never failed to make politics out of it.

            You are right, Hailat’s comment was apolitical within the context of religious moralities, referring PFDJ as a “cursed entity.”

            Regard

        • Saleh Johar

          HaileTG,
          You don’t need to prove anything. I trust you on that. However, ብልሕጺ ተዳእለ ኮይኑኒ::

          Throughout our history, religious mobilization has always been our curse. Beginning from Dimitros to nHnan Elamanan, to the crazy Fascists of today. However, I am against coercing people to abandon their religious values. But when it comes to using it for mobilization, it scares me because in any illiterate society, that’s lethal. Thank you

    • Tensae

      Dear Haile TG,

      Your post reminds me of the Tigrigna adage, ወሃየ አንትበልዋስ ሰይቲ ቀሺ መጽሓፍ ቅዱስ ሓጸበት. As if your daily serving of TPLF propaganda with all its trimming is not bad enough, here you are prescribing ecclesiastic solution to our temporal affairs. Interesting enough, either by design or coincidence, your interpretation of curse seems to be in complete congruence to that of the recently minted Tigray Orthodox Tewahdo Church of North America whose practices include conducting mass- cursing of individuals it does not approve of. As some have suggested, please take a break from your seemingly hectic lobbyist job and start listening to your otherwise rational and decent self.

      Thanks,

      • haileTG

        Tensae,

        Ignorance and arrogance are bedfellows in your case. TPLF is in its soil, supported and defended by its people and fighting for its rights. EPLF/PFDJ will be chaced with rains of projectiles when the people get a chance. Wait for me to be preaching love then, don’t even think about it. BTW, Tigray society and people are decent, upstanding and hard working who have my great admiration and respect. In fact, I only deeply despise and avoid as a cursed plague PFDJ and it’s supporters. I mean why would one has a baby killing supporters like you close to their lives? Sorry, you’re a bad luck, if you don’t like religion please understand it in terms of luck – yours is bad. I hope you get how I feel about your condition and is nothing about this religion or that. You are supporting the killing of mothers and babies in Tigray, so people need to stay the heck far from you, because you may be carrying some s@#$t in your life. That is all. Sorry. No religion.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Tensai. 4yi haileTG & iSem have all had their ‘coming out’ moments this week in terms of openly supporting a TDF (TPLF) takeover of Eritrea. Say anything against the TPLF here and one is automatically castigated as a PIA/PFDJ supporter. Ballpark attendance here continues to dwindle….what a surprise…

        • haileTG

          Selam Dongolo,

          “TDF (TPLF) takeover of Eritrea”…of course, no need to ask you for evidence. Anyway, running away without anyone chasing is a sign of curse and walking calmly in a jungle of roaring beasts is a blessing. Proves my point.

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Dear awatesitX

      I never got the impression of the Eritrean people being divided. The only Eritrean people that think Eritreans people are divided are the ones that you guys call ‘blind supporters’. Â
      Extended families of mine are gigantic both in Eritrea and in exile. Like many other Eritrean families, I have uncles, cousins, aunts that some are ELF, EPLF, PFDJ, Islamia something.. etc. Also a massive number of Amici. They all seem divided in a sense of their political party belonging. It is hard to suggest that they have different ideologies to the extent that they want to destroy one another. I believe they all have the same ideology (except religion) and they are not really divided at heart.
      Only the lonely Eritrean lads that seek a sense of belonging assert Eritreans are divided. They indulge in assuming that they are the cream society of Eritrean if they associate themselves with someone ‘who’ and others are enemies of the state.

      Here’s some of their similarity

      * They all love weddings, get together, look after the family, eat Geaate for breakfast,
      always put white socks on their kids and keep it white all the time.

      * They have family, be good at what they do, and they live their lives conservatively.
      * They have discipline and quality like many Eritrean families have, regardless of their
      geographical locations.
      * They have the same accent and gesture as Ustaz Saleh when they tell a story about
      their experience with Ethiopian soldiers mocking up their Amharic.
      * I think being part of the political party is just a way of life, but nothing is taken to the
      heart.
      * Most of them are happy living abroad and go back to Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan or
      Egypt for a wedding. The recipient countries don’t mind welcoming more Eritreans. I
      think it is a well-deserved life after their country and wealth ran down after the end
      of WWII.
      * From my understanding, I think whichever organisation they fought for or belongs to, it is simply part of their livelihood (ናብራ ኢዩ: መነባበሪ).

      Which also makes it difficult for many people to support one organisation and destroy the other. I think the civil war that took place among Eritreans is hard to comprehend.

      From my understanding, Eritrea is running as a project, and the leaderships are the project managers, the people are the human resource. What I could not figure out is,
      1. who is the project owner?
      2. what is the scope and goal of the project? Assuming there is one.

      Cheers,
      Reclaim

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ አርከይ
      ቸሩ ፈጣሪ ሆይ
      እባክህ ኃይል : ንቃትና ብርታት ከተጎናፀፉ ተከታዮችህ ጠብቀን ::

      እዋይ !

      • haileTG

        Hey Abichu my friend,

        Stop being religious:-) I just don’t want a black dog with my last name…haha

  • Abi

    Hello Awatenation
    Awate University has become like a neighborhood corner store where the Agazian gangsters congregate and scratch each other’s back.
    RIP

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    CNN has corroborated that Asmara and Massawa airports were used to transport arms and military supply between at least November 9 – 28 , 2020. This is the first verifiable information obtained even if Mesfin Hagos had already reported it at the time. Therefore, this report shows that it was PFDJ that provoked missile attacks (although not good idea) by not only attacking Tigray with boots on grounds but also using the airports as part of its military activities.

    Excerpts:

    “On November 9, five days after Abiy ordered a military offensive in Tigray, records show an Ethiopian Airlines flight transported guns and ammunitions from Addis Ababa to Asmara, Eritrea’s capital.

    An air waybill and a cargo manifest from that date show that Ethiopian Airlines charged Ethiopia $166,398.32 for about 2,643 pieces of “DFS & RIFFLE WITH AM (sic)” on that flight. DFS is a reference to “dry food stuff,” according to airline sources.

    Air waybill showing ‘military refill’ being transported on an Ethiopian Airlines flight on November 13.

    Another air waybill from a few days later, November 13, has the same shipper and consignee. The content of that shipment was “military refill and dry food stuff,” according to the document. The shipments came at a time of increased military activity; security sources in the region told CNN the Eritreans needed re-supply for the fight in Tigray.
    As planes went back and forth between the two countries, massacres of Tigrayans in the city of Axum and the village of Dengelat by Eritrean troops took place on November 19 and November 30 respectively.
    Cargo documents show that the series of flights between Ethiopia and Eritrea continued until at least November 28, 2020.”

    [Ethiopia used its flagship commercial airline to transport weapons during war in Tigray Exclusive by Nima Elbagir, Gianluca Mezzofiore, Katie Polglase and Barbara Arvanitidis, CNN]

    • Berhe Y

      Hi HaileTG,

      Even if this is true, it still does not justify TPLF bombing of Asmara. Eritrea is an independent country and it can do business with who ever it wants to and needs. It doesn’t need permission from TPLF or the CNN journalist what flight to come to Eritrea from where for whatever reason.

      • haileTG

        Selam Berhe,

        That is true. Also Eritrea is a decent country which does not wish any harm to the people of Tigray and Ethiopia. The above has nothing to do with Eritrea per se. It is to do with IA and his PFDJ cultists who believe they can invade Tigray, massacre their people, rape their mothers, daughters, wives, burn down their infrastructure and turn the people into IDP’s and blockaded to death. Yes the IA/PFDJ regime thinks it has the right to do it and hide behind Eritrea. But, ትግራዎት ነዚ ተቐቢሎም ገዲፎሞ፡ ትግራዎት ክብሃሉ ኣይክእሉን። ብኻ ዘይተወልዱ፡ ፍቱሓት ስረ፡ ሕማቓት ንደቆምን ኣንስቶምን ዘይኮኑ ጀጀውቲ እዮም ክበሃሉ። ኣብ ዝኣተዋ ኣትዮም መንጋጋኡ ከምሉቑዎ ምዃኖም ትሑዝ እዩ። እቲ ሕቶ እንታይ ንግበር ብድሕሪኡ እዩ’ምበር፡ ናይ ኤርትራስ ሓቅኻ’ሎኻ

        • Berhe Y

          Selam HaileTG,

          ዝገብር ነዲኡ ነይነግር ከምዝብሀል: እቲ ክገብርዎ ዝደልይዎን ዝሓስብዎን ስቅ ኢሎም እንተዝገብርዎ ይሐይሽ ይብል::

          ሓደ ነገር ግን አይትረስዕ : ንሱውን ካብ አቶም እንተዘይገዲዱ ብሰይጣነንት አይሓምቅን እዩ:

          ወይልኡ ተካል ህዝቢ

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            መቸስ እቲ ምኽሪ’ኳ ግርም ነይሩ ግን ደሓን ነብሶም ይምከሩ። እንተዘየሎ “ሃላይ ሰበይቲ ጸብሓ ይጥዕማ” ኢሎም ከይጓጠዩልና። እንተ’ቲ ስይጣምንጢ ዝበልካዮ ግን ግደፎም ፈፈው ይበሃሉሉ፡ ቀደሙ’ስ “ሓርጭ ሰይጣን ዝልቃሕ ከይበለዔን ይብል ጋሕ” እንድዮም ዝበሉ። እቲ መንገዲ ንባዕሉ ናይ ሰይጣን’ዩ። 🙂

        • Ismail AA

          Selam haile TG,

          If one were to mention a job the despot and his regime have been uncontestably successful against opponents would be the selling of false jingoism to otherwise innocent patriotic lot of Eritreans, which transacting hollow nationalism dressed in vacuous patriotism. This is clear from superfluous reasoning that, no matter how egregious and criminal the regime may be, its action should be unconditionally justified and supported as long as the omnipotent leader talks about real or imagined threat to what they feel their patriotic duties oblige them to respond. I think the damaging shortcoming the opposition has been suffering from is failure to highlight and expose the salient contradictions between an authority destroying and what the non-partisan supporters think they are committed to safeguard. Think about the argument that an enemy firing a projectile to a capital is sufficient to justify an army to embroil itself in a civil war across the border in that can conceal an intention of undoing national sovereignty.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Ismail,

            Correct me if you believe otherwise, but I think that the “salient contradictions” were introduced when the people innocently subordinated the struggle for independence and its achieving of the goal therein, to the organizations that were central/influential in leading it. This is a subtle point made obvious by the distinction drawn in Tigrayan resistance at the moment between TPLF and TDF. Hence, the struggle for independence was the people’s struggle and its outcome also wholly belongs to the people if truth be told. The organization and leadership of the struggle should have been held separately and accountable to the people who were the driving force of the whole process. Instead, the struggle and its outcome was made to belong to the winning organization and when that organization, when lost its way in nation building, continued to be worshipped instead of scrutinized. Eritreans need to believe and accept that they made their nation themselves and can protect it as such come rain or shine. We need not subordinate our love of country to an entity that has proven worst enemy of our ideals beyond a reasonable doubt.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam haile TG,
            Precisely, that was the point I tried to share. The people who were the principal custodian of the cause (independence and its benefits – freedom and material progress in life) was taken over by the supposedly entrusted agent that internal contradictions had reduced to a single military-security organization. This organization had used all sorts of divisive social and political frictions and concomitant mistrusts the diverse component of an evolving polity was made to house to sell itself as trust as an organic representative of a particular socio-cultural power base. It sold itself as an a guarantor of culture and identity. It became an organization of “our children” (Deqna) as if their brothers and sisters who happened to choose affiliation in other national organizations wer/are not their children, too. The relationship became a marriage that does not or hard to allow divorse, even when it became clear that organization has matured to becom a liabiltiy. This is the riddle that is haunting the justice and freedom seeker camp.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            There is no one who understood the character of the Eritrean people than the despot and his enablers. They know how to sell wars by concocting imaginary enemies in their minds from time to time. Every neighbor country is perceived as an enemy at different frame of time (Yemen, Djibouti, Sudan twice, Ethiopia). He has to put the Eritrean people on a perpetual war footing in order to get unconditional support. Who will think throwing the Eritrean youth in to a civil war of Ethiopia and still the Eritrean people will support him without any question.

            Regard

          • woldu hadgu

            Dear Friend:

            Before Yemen, Djibouti, Sudan (x2) and Ethiopia there was Jebha. Actually the experiment and its feasibility was done against Jebha. To prepare the annihilation of Jebha lots of propaganda and misinformation was done on EPLF people. The fighters acquiesced and the despot used their acceptance as a blueprint up to today. To eliminate Jebha he used deragotary terms like “kiad al ama”; Jebha haradit; Jebha hadamit, Jebha adharharit; Jebha ankafit… then boom. EPLF members never hesitated to annihilate Jebha – their own people. The sad, sad part is none of their living ex fighters had any remorse!!! The same thing now with our people.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Ismail,

            I don’t know if this comments prompted you with the exchange I am having with Haile and I am assuming it is, so I hope you don’t mind.

            If one were to mention a job the despot and his regime have been uncontestably successful against opponents would be the selling of false jingoism to otherwise innocent patriotic lot of Eritreans, which transacting hollow nationalism dressed in vacuous patriotism.

            I can say unfortunately, with some of our people in our opposition such as yourself, sometimes they underestimate the capability of our people to actually think and understand for themselves as suppose to be a mere “innocent patriotic” who do not know write from wrong, instead blind supporters of the regime.

            Personally for me, my approach is “he is SOB but he is our SOB”.

            We don’t need anymore example to what happened in Tigray. To remove the PFDJ will take exactly the same amount of damage and efforts that the federal government took in Tigray to remove TPLF.

            There is no way around it, the way I see it and there is so much example to draw from others experience. Removing a regime using external entity by force never work or it only works at a huge cost. It’s too much risk with huge consequences to achieve something that the people can do themselves if the put their heart and mind together as suppose to “waiting and praying” for others “outsiders” to do it.

            I am happy to learn, what would be the method that you think would be better.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Ustaz Berhe,

            Not at all. Had it been what you thought, there would not have been any reservation between you and I. I would have addressed you directly as I always do. My comment was a general observation, not particularly informed by the thought provoking exchanges you and haile TG have posted. If you felt a little uncomfortable by the adjective I used (innocent), I am afraid you have stretched it too broadly. You do not, hopefully, understand me as trying to slight the wisdom and intelligence of our people. To be sure though, the majority of our people at the present are not supporting the regime with malice in their minds; they support the regime because they believe their polity could be endangered by an enemies the regime has created for, and imosed on, them. I mean they do not have the luxary of engaging in sophistications of naitonalism/patriotism theoretical stipulations.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Ismail,

            I am glad to hear but forgive if I stretched your comments a bit as you can see what followed by the others who used your comments to springboard their dismay.

            I replied to other comments separately and please read my thoughts but I thought I respond to directly to acknowledge that I understand your comments.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            Suppose that the TDF launch offensive on EDF, and soon after IA sees that he can’t stop it and jumps ship (leaves the country). A transitional administration is set up and a peaceful resolution is sought. Do you think such an outcome would be bad?

            The way I understand you is that you’re forcing a choice between two extremes of an outcome. Such is known as a false dichotomy between contraries because it misses the excluded middle that is often a more likely outcome.

            The two false choices set up in your argument vis-a-vis TDF offensive are: save or die. There is a continuum between these two extreme ends, such as the regime taking off and Eritreans setting up a transitional government.

            Finally, the issue is never about Eritreans seeking change, it is about the regime bracing for war to defend Ethiopian Unity and I don’t know why you ignore that whether we need change or not, the conflict the regime is involved in has nothing to do with it.

          • woldu hadgu

            Dear Berhe:
            If you think and believe by exposing your belief you are doing honor to your people and nation, you are wrong. SOB is a jargon, evil is the right description. If you are comfortable embracing evil, then you are part and parcel of Evil. The only thing I will say to you is Ymharka.

          • iSem

            Hi WH:
            I shook my head to that comment by BY and started to a response wrote one line shook my head again and erased it. False equivalence. SOB refers to the cut-throat guys like Larry Ellison of Oracle and Jobs of Apple, who are merciless in their dealing with business partners and employees, unkind, brutal but they have never murdered a single soul or inflicted physical harm to no one let alone thousands of people not to mention destroying a nation and raping.
            I wish IA was only SOB, but definitely he is son of B**tch
            “He is SOB but our SOB”, got to be budding love like a flower during a spring

          • Desbele

            Hi iSem,

            Tolstoy Syndrome partly explains what is going on here. Tolstoy Syndrome is a description of a behavior of humans who ignore the truth despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
            The behavior is named after a quote from Leo Tolstoy

            “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their life”.

            A related Tolstoy quote is
            “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” ዓሻ ዝተኸሎ፣ ለባም ዘይነቕሎ እዩ ነገሩ

          • iSem

            Hi Ismail AA:
            I agree with you with the fallacy and silliness of supporting the regime in the name of national defense and taking the country to meddle into the uncivil war of an civilized neighbor. The repercussions for this blunder are huge for Eritrea and the smarmy juxtaposition of national security with our long term interest is self serving and it serves the ego of one man.
            But despite the short coming of the opposition, despite is visionless and gutless perfunctory take onf PFDJ, their paralyzing fear to avoid cooperating with TPLF to save the nation, I think the eritrean people made a choice: the devil we know, otherwise the people know full well what PFDJ is upto. Mez made a good point the other day, and linked our aversion of resistance to economics and my response was yes, but it was not like that, EPLF made us to destine. Think about it, even if your underage age child kidnapped to Saw and you are humiliated; while you are serving your nation, your wife is taken a mistress by an EDF general
            But we have to put this into a context, historical context. How EPLF under the handful leaders and secret party worked diligently to slowly chip away the fabric of society. But it is not like the Eritrean people have zero agency, they have a lot of agency. And the irony is those who believe in this agency are supporting PFDJ in the name of national defense, while there is no nation, we have a territory devoid of nations, nation is made up territories and nationalities.
            The sociologist M. Gladwell, a NYT writer penned a book called David and Goliah, when strength is weakness and weakness is strength. In it, he make a good case how the weakness can become strength, it is a good read that supplements Gen Sharp’s peaceful resistance that BY talks about here
            So, the people of Eritrea a choice and they could not even respond to the Arbi Harnet peaceful resistance. The opposition tried, the people refused. Not to dampen the cause that you spent lifetime working for but sometime the reality is undeniable
            But the point is not Eritreans were designed like this, but the 60 of years IA conspiracy had its toll, decimated the dignity of Eritreans, ironically the ghedli was sparked to reclaim the dignity buy in the process we lost our dignity and we have nurtured a fetish for territory without people, a fetish for fictitious enemy while the enemy is the self-proclaimed liberator and May 24 is the commemoration of a freedom that was never achieved, a sort of pagan worship. Dec 25 is a sacred day for may, but it started as a Roman pagan celebration. There is no way jesus was born on December. so the day that brought a butcher to power has become a sacred day in Eritrea and to defend that we have sold our dignity and abandoned our principles
            Sorry. I am venting, but you know better than anyone here that this has nothing to do with the failure of opposition, it has to do with with the failure ELF and the conspiracy against the people of Eritrea
            The depopulation, the great replacement in Eritrea has commenced and either we have to reverse this and soon and that starts with opposing the attack in Tigray by Eritrea, if not we have no moral standing to oppose when one day TDF attacks Eritrea. i

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Ustaz iSem,

            Dear Semere, it is over due, and we are actually two decades too late to realize where the problem is and how to tackle it. Our problems since 1942 have never been impositions from outside. Our problems emanated from the realities of the contradictions Eritrea as a polity colonial rulers had curved was made to embrace. Alien forces, who imposed untenable federation with imperio-feudal Ethiopia had benefited from our internal disharmony. Isayas’ ascent to become a destructive agent of an evolving entity was the result of internal divided realities, that, as you have mentioned made the ELF not been able to settle, when it could, the seedling, nurturing and maturation of Isayas and his organization.

            This time around, too, the power base Isayas has succeeded to build is becoming unable to settle internal divisions and resolve the Isayas phenomenon. Just ponder on the constitutency that the war in Tigray is currently tearing asunder. If we should really debate the issue that matters, it should be talking and discussion such problems. Frankly, dear Semere, I would feel myself judicious to think about a general Tekle or Semere to ride tanks and get rid of Isayas rather Ismailo or Mahmouday. In a word, the onus to liberate Eritrea and Eritrean from despotism like on the constituency on which Isayas and his regime depend on.

      • iSem

        Hi BY
        When Mandela was asked, when did he resolve to fight Apartheid , he replied that there was no singular date or time in my transformation, it was incremental
        When Haile TG put you in some list, I protested that he removes you from the list that included your friend Hashela. Because I believed you were being devils’ advocate, which TG does not know about you.
        Although your assertion that any country is free to do business with any country true and valid, generally, how is it applied here?
        Let me make it easier, let say if TPLF new that the shipment was military, also if TPLF had intelligence that Eritrea was conspiring with Abiy to put Tigray in siege, does it have the right to send missile or not, in principle? Does it have the right to attack Eritrea with proportional force, minding and trying its best to avoid civilian causality?

        So why do I bring Mandela: to say that incrementally, slowly you are evolving and by new year 2023, you will boldly declare your support PFDJ for reasons of border and sovereignty reasons.
        And we have a consummate better here, not for gambling but for testing ideas and it is Sal Younis. So Sal would you wager a 5k race or a 5% share on your Nefasit book store if my predictions comes to pass 🙂

        • Berhe Y

          Hi iSem,

          I am ok if you call me PFDJ supporter today in 2022 and you don’t have to wait for 2023. I don’t think you need to put a wager, you have already won.

          If you ask me today, do you I stand with EDF and PFDJ if TDF / TPLF decides to remove IA and PFDJ using force, I have already told you many times, that I will stand with PFDJ, Eritrean government, EDF 1000%.

          I do not support Eritrea the country or the people to be collateral damage of TPFL adventure. It’s that simple.

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            But that was not my question and you are free not to answer it.
            And in this comment I never mentioned EDF, I said PFDJ, although my own belief is the commander in chief is IA and there is no difference but in this comment I did not conflate them and No one here supports the collateral damage you are envisioning. Can you mention one person here who supports collateral damage to Eritrea
            So, if you want you can answer the question as you have not addressed them here. I gave you conditions.
            So, you made your own condition. I never mentioned if TDF want to remove PFDJ, I conditioned it as: if TDF knew that PFDJ was to attack it and TDF sent missiles, to circumvent the attack? Does TDF has the right? I want to know your principal on that, sir, if you can divulgue that
            Sorry, I missed the fact that you previously said you will stand with PFDJ if TDF tried to remove PFDJ, but that is fine, my prediction is then now amended to this: regardless whether TDF or any foreign force or , I will stand with PFDJ.
            And the reason I will wait it, I want you to say it. That all

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            Sorry I didn’t answer your question directly. Your question was asked may times using different subject under “preemptive attack”, which I had a lot to say already.

            Now to your question:

            if TDF knew that PFDJ was to attack it and TDF sent missiles, to circumvent the attack? Does TDF has the right? I want to know your principal on that, sir, if you can divulge that.

            No, TDF does not have the right to send missing to circumvent the attack. I say this because no body knows with 100% accuracy if the attack going to take place or not.

            The right way to deal with is, you prepared to defend at the same time you send all the alarm bell to avoid the attack from happening.

            This may sound unrealistic but those who know military can tell you that, it’s easier said than done to be able to react in such lighting speed to prevent attacks.

            For entertainment purpose please watch 13 days..,

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      Please go to the nearest park and sit on a bench. Watch the birds sing, admire the butterflies… You are physically, emotionally and mentally drained.

      • haileTG

        Abichu,

        I wish you were right:-) I have so much energy, I could have exported some. I suggest less meat and more plant based diet keeps people light, refreshed and at ease. Sitting in a park or somewhere fancy doesn’t really change biology or chemistry – which is what the body is made up of.

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          ይመችህ ወዳጄ!

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate forum participants
    You can find a good analysis for the new Ethiopian government at AJ English 6 Oct 2021
    Ethiopian parliament approves PM Abiy’s new cabinet
    PM replaces defense and peace ministers, retains finance minister at beginning of his first full five-year term.
    Note that the new Ethiopian defense Abraham Belay, who had previously served as the federally appointed head of the northern region of Tigray

  • Dongolo

    Selam iSem. Thank you very much for being frank and open. To recall that you have said that you wish the Eritrean opposition were fully funded by Ethiopia (TPLF) and given tanks and that ‘The Eritrean opposition now should not shy away, nor hide that they are working in Tigray with the TPLF to remove PFDJ’

    [Hi Dongolo:
    So what if Eritrean opposition was funded by Ethiopia? I whish they were fully funded and given tanks. So what Dongolo? Can you make some logical reason as to why this is wrong.
    Saleh, I remember when the late Milikias and Semere T escaped the butcher PFDJ, there was rumor that they escaped to Ethiopia, they were asked and they denied it saying, instead they came through Libya. And lair I think it was verified that they came through Ethiopia. I always said that there is nothing wrong if they went through Ethiopia when their country was shooting at them. So Dongolo, if the things you are saying and quoting Saleh as if the is smoking gun, it is all halal, kosher, even it is blessed thing, the god of justice and democracy was smiling and in the same token, Eritrean opposition now should not shy away, nor hide that they are in Tigray working with TDF to remove PFDJ and hopefully you guys that come here to sanitize the bloody hands of IA
    I am tired of it and the opposition should have guts to admits that, and let that cooperating with the devil to remove is halla.
    Dongolo, you are a master of triviality.]

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam iSem

      “Saleh, I remember when the late Milikias and Semere T escaped the butcher PFDJ, there was rumor that they escaped to Ethiopia, they were asked and they denied it saying, instead they came through Libya.”

      I think you meant Semere Kesete – the former Asmara University Students Union president. Am I right?

      Semere Tesfai

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Semere Tesfai,

        The Semere (which I forget his father’s name now) who escaped from the mouth of the beast with Milkias was another journalist who was working with him in Asmara. He was not Semere Tekeste the former student and president of the student union at AU . I met them in a public meeting in the own I reside. I also met them in a demonstration at Washington DC. Since then I haven’t heard about him.

        • iSem

          Hi Emma:
          His name was Semere Taazaz

      • iSem

        hi Semere:
        Sorry for the confusion, it was not Semere Tekste, it was Semere Taazaz. Semere Tekeste escaped by the help of Mehari Yohannes his guard, Semere Taaza and the late Milikias escaped through the border

    • iSem

      Hi Dongolo
      thanks that was deep analysis from your part as usual.

      You did not answer my question why is it haram?

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. How hypocritical can the TPLF be? To recall that back in 1998, Ethiopia under the TPLF thugtatership, declared some 30 U.N. staffers working from various U.N. agencies around Addis Ababa persona non grata because they were of Eritrean origin. And now, it is the TPLF that is crying bloody murder over 7 UN staff being declared persona non grata.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate forum participants,
    መን መርዓት ምስ በለክን ትኳሓላ’ ዩ
    Today October 05, 2021 Assena reported about Former Nigerian President, Olusegun Obasanjo’s visit to Asmara.
    Can you verify the news from other sources

    • Abi

      መርሃባ ኡስታዝ ብርሃን
      ዛሬም እንደልማድህ ጨልሞብሃል::
      Looks like your አልጀዚራ contact ended abruptly.
      አይዞህ ወንድሜ ተስፈኛ ተስፋ አይቆርጥም!!

      • Brhan

        Selam Abi,
        You are now improving in your spelling, except it is መርሓባ.
        A treat for your improvement from the teacher …. ተማሩ ተማሩ ….በትምህርት እደጉ (an old song)

        • Abi

          መርሓባ ኡስታዝ ብርሃን
          Go easy on me. You are forcing me to clear my throat.
          የቐንየለይ ሓወይ

          • Brhan

            Selam Abi,
            Practice and practice, as you are heading to the national dialogue as you said with people of Ethiopia.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Ethiopias desperately need to listen to each other instead of bickering. We have been shouting at each other without any regard to the other side. That needs to stop. Time to a serious of dialogue among ourselves.

    • haileTG

      Selamat Brhan!

      Hard to verify and seems difficult to believe. I hope Emma is not doing one his spectacular claims out of nowhere. I respect many of the positive things he does but sometimes he does tend to say things that become embarrassing afterwards. In 2019 he told the people of Asmara to stay home as there was supposed to be a coup that didn’t happen. Some elderly women got very upset for having to cancel their appointment with their qonanit to get their hairs done. Many people were poking fun at him. But, he is also well listened to for many of his programs are broadcast there daily.

      May be sometimes people feed him wrong info. But don’t know about this one.

  • Abi

    Hello Awatenation
    The best thing Meles did for Ethiopia was his death. I don’t think he is resting in peace knowing full well what he did when he was at the helm. Yes, Tigray and its people have never been in this kind of dire situation. What has been happening in Ethiopia including Tigray is the result of the stupid ethnic politics.

    • haileTG

      Abichu,

      Good to see you analyzing issues, I hope you’re not holding your Fundamentals of Marxism text book upside down:-) Seriously though, has there been a time there was no ethnic politics, ethnic oppression, ethnic slurs in Ethiopia?? It is not the “result of the stupid ethnic politics” what we see in Ethiopia, it is “the hallmark of the body politics of Ethiopia” as it ever was. Except, some believe that when their own ethnicity takes over, all other ethnicities should take whatever is meted out on them. Thus, I would say “What has been happening in Ethiopia including Tigray is the result of the stupid politics”. I marked you 7/10 🙂

      • Berhe Y

        Hi HaileTG,

        You probably know more but I don’t think it was to this level. For example, all the Tigray people that I come to know during Derg times identify themselves as Ethiopians, i.e. Ethiopians first and Tigray second.

        They were the same as someone who is Adere, Gurage or Amhara. There was not much difference as far as their ኢትዮጵያውነት::

        All this kilil, ዘር etc is the creation of TPLF.

        I can say in Eritrea today, people are Eritreans first and what ever other region is second. No body really care if a person is from Seraye or Akele or Hamasien or any other region as far as forming their political support.

        I see this division is being highlighted by those currently today TPLF and Tigray ትዕወት supporters like SelTene or Qeshi Marikos or even AI of Assena.

        Let me give you an example.

        AI said the other day. When Wedi Gerahtu in the UK and Wedi Bashay in Israel were ambassadors of Eritrea, the opposition of Eritreans to the regime was at the highest. But when the PFDJ replaced the ambassadors with from Akeleguzai (wedi belaEi Tsega) now there is not much opposition anymore.

        SelTene
        He said currently the people from Akekeguzai such as SenAfe, Adi QeyH and others have raised over 300K to aid people of Tigray. I do not see any money raised from other part of Eritrea and lists, Hamasien, Semhar, SenHit (I did yes hear Mention Seraye).

        QeShi Marikos
        He also repeats the same thing as far as money raised from Akeleguzai and I think he is upset that they are not recognized by those in Tigray.

        • haileTG

          Merhaba Berhe,

          I understand what you mean. My question is the egg and chicken, whichever came first. If we blame individuals for social problems, we can go after those people or groups and hope the problems will be solved. But, if we believe the individuals are the result of the inherent societal problems then the remedy is to be found in social changes. Can you truly say there were no regional or religious problems prior to TPLF? Even during EPLF and ELF? Oromo and Afar? Kunama and awraja et.al.

          The problems we see today have the same root and trunk from history but branching right and left. Was TPLF the cause or effect of Tigrayans nationalist tendency? According to Mengistu, Eritrean separatism is a product of Arab mercenaries pretending to be freedom fighters, otherwise all Eritreans were supposed to be pro Ethiopian unity.

          The idea that TPLF owns the issue of ethnic divisions is defeated on the ground by the scale of conflict and destruction we see today. It gives exaggerated power to TPLF and diminished status to the actual people demanding change. Just my 2 cents:-)

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            Leaders say a lot of things that suit them and Mengistu is no different.

            No society is perfect and some division, and conflict is expected. The question is did politicians of the day exacerbated the situation by their policy or they tried to narrow the difference and create peace and harmony.

            Let me ask you, the Derg replaced HS government, have they done any systemic policy or change that widens the division among the different ethnic group compared to what it was before. My guess is they did not, unless I can be corrected. Looking from an Eritrean point of view, I don’t think it was worst than before, except the war of liberation they tried to quash using force which backfired against them.

            To be honest, I really do not know the real cause why TPLF was fighting the Derg?

            1) Is it because it’s a dictatorship and want to replace it by democracy? If that’s case, they didn’t really have a national agenda and would not have called themselves TPLF.

            2) Is it because they want to separate and create a separate state? It make sense if that’s the case, but it’s understandable that they changed course when Derg had falken.

            I think ethnic federalism is somewhat gave them some sort of semi – independence but at the same time a united government. This was not in itself a wrong approach, but redrawing they map based on ethnic lines exacerbated division which on Kun works so long as TPLF are dominant party and control the power base. By creating large ethnic kilil such as Amhara and Oromo (instead of divided small provinces) which would have been equal in size and population to Tigray, they created monster kilil would turn against them.

            TPLF May have done a lot to the county and did not oppress more than those before them, but they created a country and constitution that can turn against them as they clearly defined the lines of division which was blurred for most of the modern times.

            They created an image of Tigray in fiction as well as in facts, as the highest beneficiary of the federal arrangement.

            To make matters worst, they created a permanent enemy with Eritrea (not totally their fault) but shot themselves on the foot by allowing the “no war no peace” condition to exist.

            Eritrea would have been, a back up plan, their breathing space if you will, in case something happened in the south beyond their control.

            Now o really don’t know what will be next for TPLF and the Tigray people.

            Somehow it does remind me what happened to the Tamil people and the Tamil Tigers, slowly they disappeared out of existence, even though their situation was a lot better when they controlled their region.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            Interesting that it reminds you of the Tamil. It would be good if you could say a bit more on that. Considering that the Tamil (LTTE), prior to its defeat in 2009, it had serious internal division leading to intra-conflict by 2005 among their two commands North vs, East, 32 countries including USA and EU member states had listed them as terrorists for their use of suicide bombings and large scale attacks targeting commuter trains and buses, a British privately hired special forces were used – including large scale weaponries by the Sri Lankan army and many other factors contributed to their downfall.

            I doubt the TPLF can suffer that kind of defeat. ENDF can’t fight this war alone without militias and EDF. Also, Ethiopia does not have moral high ground to date, having blockaded and starving to death civilians. The other party to Ethiopia’s war is the gulag’s army under a sanctioned chief of staff and Africa’s north Korea. TPLF is the party (in the eyes of the inl community) being targeted by two brutal regimes who are investigated for ethnic genocide. But, the biggest deal breaker for me is that ENDF’s back was badly broken during the Alula operation, it will need at least a decade (according Rashid Abdi) to recover.

            So, it would be interesting how you drew a parallel with the Tamil, who were by all means divided and fighting each other, as well as engaging in major terror bombings in and around Columbus.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            The Tamil Tigers example I used was not indicating the two resemble. My example was, how the Tigres after liberating almost the whole region with full support of their people (volunteer or forced) and with well connected diaspora was made to disappear.

            I think there was fatigue and the Tamils were becoming worse than the government in their dictatorship and control and the people eventually, I think felt relieved and moved in. Incidentally the General who led the operation on part of the government was Tamil himself and ended up running for PM later, where he had a fallout with the prime minister.

            I do see there is opposition to TPLF and frustration is setting if the blockage stays long, and if Abiy lose the restriction on food and basic needs (he will do it, eventually) then the people may start to divide knowing the alternative.

            The opposition asking TPLF to clarify its position seem premature but I think it’s the right question to ask what is that they wanted, is it independence or stay with Ethiopia.

            My guess is that they wanted to stay but can only do so after somehow exile Abiy.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            You have stated the noticeable difference between Tamil and TPLF/TDF. There is no any similarities between the two. Let me add few points to yours:

            (a) LTTE is a liberation front for the independence of Tamil people, while TPLF is a recognized party within the body politics of Ethiopia, representing the Tigray state (kilil). The Tigray people are defending their autonomy and their legitimate state government from the central government (at least until now)).

            (b) TPLF was and is a formidable entity who overthrew a government and were ruling Ethiopia by forming alliance with other forces. LTTE had not that formidability and stature of governing and commanding a large state and Federal army like TPLF/TDF.

            If you remember in the Sixities, many international political analyst were saying that the Eritrean revolution will be crushed like the Biafrans of Nageria without understanding the internal dynamic of our people. Those who tries to compare TPLF/TDF with LTTE are doing without knowing the dynamics of the two people.

            Regards

      • Abi

        ኃይልሽ
        Let me quietly enjoy the 7/10 mark for a while. For a C- student throughout my student life, I’m elated that I got a solid C grade from the stingiest professor I ever faced.
        I am celebrating!!!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ras Abi,

      Since the era of Feudalism (Era of Princes) in Ethiopia, it has been Ethnic politics. Ethiopian politics has never been addressed ethnic grievances, be it during HS whom you adore him or during the kings before him. The Oromia population were/are aggrieved since the expansion of Ethiopia to the south. The Tigrians were/are aggrieved since Menilek-II, and other minorities were submissive to the powers of the day.

      Second, centralized unitary government is not a type of of government that holds multicultural diversity. Don’t ever think about it. It is a recipe of oppression and marginalization. Except the Amara social group the rest of the Ethiopian diversity were happy with the current federalism on linguistic basis. EPRDF has failed to give room to pluralistic politics. So the problem is not from the system. The problem is from the political actors who failed to be governed by the rule of law.

      Regard

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Amanuel
        Looks like you got your facts on reverse.
        The oromo migration ( 1530-1580) was an expansion of the oromo society to the north. Nowhere in the history of Ethiopia we read that the oromos were aggrieved due to the Expansion of Ethiopia to the South. You seem to understand that the oromos were out side the territories of Ethiopia.
        I don’t remember reading the Tigreans were aggrieved because of እምዬ ምኒልክ:: Actually, the Tigreans were occupying Eritrean lands ( just like today) due to ጀነራል አሉላ::
        Your second paragraph is your periodical Amhara bashing exercise .
        ሩጥ ሩጥ አማራ መጣብህ!!

    • Semere Tesfai

      ሰላም ወንድም ኣማች

      Congratulations:

      It is a brand new day in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and the whole Horn Region. It is a great day for Africa and all peace loving people all over the globe. Today, Ethiopia, not only it freed itself from the shackles of dependency poverty and misery, but also, it led the African continent and all Africans towards freedom self-respect and dignity. Today, leading by example, Ethiopia has opened the door for all Africans to stand straight and fight with every fiber of their being – to restore and to protect their national interests and their dignity as a people.

      Africa and Africans never been this proud since the days of slavery. Congratulations to all Africans and to all peace loving people all over the globe. Thank you Ethiopia and Ethiopians, and thank you Dr Abiy.

      Dr. Abiy: your leadership has already made a big difference in the lives of Africans. Keep marching foreword unabated and unhindered. We’re with you all the way. True, today, good things are happening on the ground; but the best is yet to come

      Semere Tesfai

      • Abi

        ሰላም ወንድም አማች
        It is indeed a great beginning for Ethiopia and Africa at large. Eritrea, under the leadership of the Lion of Naqfa has greatly contributed towards the liberation of Africa .
        The best is yet to come!!!!

      • haileTG

        Hi Semere ,

        Africans have never been sooo embarrassed by accusation of “meddling” against UN. Actually, UN is set up to meddle in countries, either to feed the poor in Ethiopia or force the rich in USA to help the the poor. Meddling is the job of UN. Anyway, here is a message from US Embassy Asmara:

        US Embassy Asmara OCT. 5

        “Great care is being taken to ensure that any potential sanctions under President Biden’s recently issued Executive Order do not hurt everyday Eritreans and Ethiopians. Below are links to three “general licenses” the Department of the Treasury has issued that exempt international organizations, NGO, and food, medicine and medical items. So, for example, if sanctions are enacted, Eritrea will continue to be able to import $10 million in sorghum annually from the United States.
        The United States does not wish to impose sanctions, but is determined to do all it can to end the conflict in northern Ethiopia and ameliorate the humanitarian crisis there. Sanctions can be avoided if Ethiopia, the TPLF, and Amhara regional forces agree to a cease fire and stop blocking humanitarian access, and if Eritrea withdraws its forces immediately and permanently from Tigray. If they are enacted, U.S. sanctions will target entities and individuals responsible for prolonging the conflict, not everyday Eritreans and Ethiopians. “

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    The SS president made a nice speech today in Addis. He recounted the help his people got from HS, MH and MZ. After thunderous clapping and cheering for acknowledging HS and MH, the crowed fell silent on MZ being recognized. Hmmm… The Kenyan president made good speech too, his message for peace was well put. IA sent a letter, apparently, by the looks of the grammatical mess up for a presidential message, I suspect he texted it from his cell phone. The substance of his message was horrible, wishing Ethiopia further divisions and conflict.

    • Brhan

      Selam haileTG,
      ጓይላ ብዘይ ነግራም:: Abi must have told to DIA, I wish you were here to be ኣቦ ጓይላ but you know yourself Isu , you are trouble maker, my dear friend! I love you….
      In his speech Abi did not indicate whether he would continue an offensive to retake the lands captured by Tigray forces. But he said, “In order to narrow our differences, we will conduct a national dialogue.”
      National dialogue? With who?

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Brhan,

        You’re right! Imagine who would opt to attend if IA is there, except Formajo? I mean Eritrean participation in Tigray is fully condemned by the AU and everyone else. Especially the atrocity side of it. PMAA wouldn’t be able to gather the few he found. Ismail Ghele wouldn’t come for sure. IA would be supportive of a war everyone wishing to stop, so he would not have been wanted in person. Additionally, IA has Napolion syndrome and can’t handle the occasion without being the center of attention. Overall, good call for PMAA not to include a mad man in his big day:-)

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          የቁርጥ ቀን ወዳጅ የክፉ ቀን ደራሽ
          ኢሱ ወዲ አፎም የወያኔ ደምሳሽ
          የኢትዮጵያ ደም መላሽ!!!!

          ዘራፍ !!!

          • haileTG

            Hey Guad Abi,

            That was a great theory! Your trouble is that it failed in practice. Isn’t it a wonder that Ethiopia, ever since the death of Emperor Yohannes, have always adopted theories that were bound to fail? Menilik’s theory of wuchale, HS theory of UN support to swallow Eritrea, MH theory of Marxism and Leninism, MZ theory of ethnic federalism, PMAA theory of trusting IA to destroy a deeply entrenched Tigrayan movement. Zeraf is the only correct stanza because we have seen nothing else than zerfiya behind all those aborted theories.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            Why are people prone to call to a federalism based on “linguistic plurinational structure” as ethnic Federalism? Is that a way of undermining it? We know states regulate linguistic diversity in different ways. The Ethiopian federalism is structured as nation and nationalities based on language distinctiveness. Why don’t we call it as deemed and named in their constitution? Probably my questions might lead us to an intellectual debate on the natures of Federalism, assuming “language and nationhood” is a politically construct to diffuse disputes in multinational diversity.

            Regard

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Aman H,

            I see the utility of your point, however I don’t think it is intended to undermine it IMO. For example የብሔር ጭቆና was the stated ideological bases of the re-structuring. Secondly, the English nation and nationalities is translated in the political terminology in Amharic is ብሔር ብሔረሰቦች. The nations are founded on ethnicity. For example, Tigray has three languages and two religions, therefore ethnicity is the unifying factor of the Tigrayan nation. The same reasoning is the bases of the Agew and Q’mant issues within the Amhara federal state, whom are working with TDF (even if they have diverse languages I understand). In some cases, you may be right in places such as Afar and Somali but not so in others. I know language plays a big role in all but is it the sole criteria? Could we say Tigray state is of Tigrigna speakers and Amhara state is of Amharic speakers or those of people who identify ethnic identity to Tigrayan and Amara respectively?

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Don’t make me come with another ዘራፍ.
            The deeply entrenched Tigray movement will be buried in the deep trenches.

      • Abi

        Hello Brhan
        Looks like you are still in the dark. I volunteer to shade some light on the part you got desperately confused.
        National dialogue with opposition parties, National dialogue with the people of Ethiopia.
        Tigray and Tigreans are severely ignored!!!
        Tigray who?
        ገንዘብካ ሓወይ

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Abi,

          Configurations on PMAA inauguration yesterday. It’s probably what the people of Africa need to help elevate themselves and self worth rather than dreaming about the west and exile but build it at home.

          I hope Ethiopia finds a way to lasting peace. I think you need to stop alienating the people of Tigray and sympathize with the situation their in and see them differently than TPLF.

          I would suggest you study Canadian federation and how the province of Quebec is made to stay within the country. They create this formula called equalization and those who have and those have not regions get to share the wealth of the country equally and people no matter where they are born get equal access. I am not saying it was equal under TPLF but the thinking of Daniel Kibret and how to deal with the issue is not a lasting solution.

          It requires a lot of patience and a lot of negotiations, cuddling and እሽሹ እሩሩ sometimes 🙂 as the country is better off in the long term. I say this because having Ethiopia in constant war will cost more in the long term than perceived benefit they have.

          • Abi

            Berhe
            Thanks for the best wishes.
            I can’t afford to disappoint you but it is extremely difficult on my part to think about Tigray and its people.
            I hope they become independent soon.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            The TPLF and their support of networks so powerful that they are controlling the UN agenda as well as the media.

            Fighting with the whole Tigray people will work in their favour and the Ethiopian government needs to be careful and separate the organization from the people, at the risk of being infiltrated.

            I don’t know the authenticity of the full content but there is recoded conversation of Jeff Pearce and other UN officials telling him, about the power struggle in the UN between the country represents in Addis with those in New York.

            Basically what they were telling him “the UN sent special officers to Tigray because of emergency situation” and those people wanted them to report directly to the UN in New York rather than the country representative in Addis bypassing her. The expansion of those UN officers were related to that I think. They name Dr. Tedros and another person at the highest UN level directing all the activities.

            One point those women who said that strike me “You know how the TPLF work. They infiltrate and position their people at every level and they make them work for them”.

            So I think Ethiopian need to see beyond these and bring the Tigray people to fight along with the rest of Ethiopians, with sharing knowledge, exposing the truth as well as being sympathetic to the people who are paying heavy price by both sides.

            It will not be easy but it is the right approach in the long term,

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Ras Abi,

          I think national dialogue will not bring you together with the people of Tigray, after all this genocidal atrocities are taken upon them. So in essence, you are right to have a legal divorce that will give everlasting peace to both sides. Any cosmetic agreement of Tigrians within the empire of Ethiopia will lead you to an intermittent conflicts and instabilities a continuation of the century old saga. If that is your view we have a point of confluence to the resolution of this senseless war of inhumanities.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            To make matters absolutely clear and avoid any and all misunderstandings, the said dialogue is exclusively among Ethiopians as people and among the different opposition parties. The would be foreign citizens are excluded from participating in any kind of dialogue. We deal with them in the trenches and valleys and mountains. Not on the discussion tables.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Peace can not come by the barrel of gun. No matter how long the war might take, at the end of the day conflicts are resolved at the table whether it leads to divorce or unity of the warring factions. If that is the case why do you favor for a perpetual war that asks thousands of lives, displacement, and misery in all its facets?

            Sometimes, wars are justifiable when the oppressed people have tried all the peaceful possible options and can not bring solutions to their plights. In such scenario the war is waged to bring the oppressor to the table of negotiation. Otherwise, war has never been a first choice to resolve conflicts. It is always the last resort. The Ethiopian war has taken many lives from both sides. Now it must be a call for a round table to resolve the crises. Even if it is a divorce, you should avoid painful divorce, for you will still be neighbors.

            Regard

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            The current war is going on in the middle of the Amhara lands.
            Now, tell me why I should negotiate with these thugs instead of finishing them off? Whoever ventured into the Amhara lands should never be allowed to leave alive. All should be buried in the mountains of Gonder and Wollo just like what happened in Afar. Finishing off these thugs is the only viable alternative.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi,

            Wherever the ground of the war is, the war brought a misery to the Ethiopian people. Initially, it was in Tigray, and now it is broadened and extended to the Amara kilil and Afar kilil. The war is also in the Oromia kilil, Beneshagul, and Gambella – virtually in the entire of Ethiopia. The Ethiopian people should be saved from this calamities before they try to save the country. That is why negotiation is quintessential at this point to save the people and eventually the country.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Your concerns regarding the people and the country is greatly appreciated. However, as I said many times before, the only alternative is to remove the cancerous thugs from the Amhara lands first, and eventually clear them out from Tigray. Ethiopia can’t afford to let loose the TDF thugs and their supporters in Tigray and elsewhere in Ethiopia.

        • Brhan

          Hello Abi,
          I think you are watching too much of Deacon Daniel Kibret.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Looks like you read a little bit too much ኡዝታዝ አልጀዚራ::

          • Brhan

            Abi, I know you can’t pronounce the name of your prime minister correctly, so I am not surprised if you continuously mispronounce:
            It is ኡስታዝ lol

  • Dongolo

    Selam Saleh Johar. A few tough questions:
    1) Do you know if this was the first time a webmaster from a country’s opposition has interviewed the Head of State of his home country’s enemy/adversary?
    2) Was the motive of this interview to receive additional funding and support from the (TPLF) Ethiopian government or other?
    3) In retrospect, do you regret having done the interview with respect given to the anguish that it must have caused to deported families, families of fallen soldiers (1998-2000), and families of those still in national service at the time?
    4) Do you believe that it is possible that the interview caused some level of mistrust within the Eritrean opposition? And if so, how do you ever sooth that over?
    Thanks!

    • haileTG

      Selam Dongolo,

      ’till SGJ comes, let me straighten some things:

      1 – I don’t think any website or news paper interviewed Eritrea’s enemy except ERiTV: his name is Isaias Afewerki.

      2 – If funding was the motive, why not include it in the questions?

      3 – I think he should feel proud for exposing the lies of PFDJ to the people at the time. He was later vindicated by what PFDJ/IA is doing, paying Eritrean lives for Ethiopian unity and taking part in genocidal war.

      4 – How is this interview to be blamed for the same people who mistrust the opposition and jump to bed with anti-Eritrean independence forces in Ethiopia? They were destined to mistrust anyone other than their cult leader.

      Now, SGJ can add few more:-)

    • Saleh Johar

      Selam Dongola,
      The short answer for all your questions is ‘No.’
      The long answer is (it’s actually a question): Do you know that your type of scoring points is not the first time that people, who have no case at all, pose poorly camouflaged but usual laughable allegations as is they are questions?

      • Dongolo

        Selam Saleh Johar. With years having passed one would have hoped that the Eritrean opposition would be able to openly discuss matters such as the above instead of simply dismissing them as camouflaged allegations. The general lack of transparency within the Eritrean opposition is inauspicious and causal to credibility problems.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dongolo,

          Is it auspicious for your side (regime and loyalists) not to do what you demanded from Saleh Johar and the opposition by and large? When you demand of transparency in change seeker camp, you seem to be pretending there is transparency and openness in the regime.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. To recall that you have already made a totally baseless allegation that I am ‘your side(regime and loyalists)’; so enough on not takin sides. I have absolutely no problem with the elderly for they ‘should’ possess wisdom and wit to allow them to guide with ease.

        • Saleh Johar

          Dongolo,
          First, pls note I represent only myself, not all the opposition.
          Secondly, I think I talked about the deportation more than all the PFDJ jingoism combined.
          Thirdly, how do you explain your “funding” insinuation? I do not take Bella-belaw seriously and it’s waste of time to engage in that king of discourse. Honesty and evidence based truth should be relevant in such ch matters
          Fourth: the PFDJ is responsible for blocking meaningful national discourse and reconciliation. Don’t look the other way to blame the victims.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dongolo,

          There is no worse enemy than Issayas to the Eritrean people who ignited wars and put us at a war footing for 30 years – a war that devoured our young generation. Speak about the criminal despot at your home before talking about imaginary enemies concocted to hold hostage to the Eritrean people. Second go and ask transparency to your government before you ask the opposition.

  • Reclaim Abyssinia

    Dear Ustaz Saleh,
    Thank you for the transcript of the historical interview.

    If I may comment freely, I would say this interview is a carefully crafted question and answer? Referring to question 9; I’m sure an interviewer that has a vast amount of exposure to western society wouldn’t have missed a question of restitution. Did it ever cross your mind to ask him if he would offer an apology to the victims or not?
    In my opinion, his response to Q 9, is entirely unfair and undignified to through back the onus on the “receiver” ( the victim) to be “understandable” of the action.
    No apology to the victims but concluded as regrettable action. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t be true, if i suggest that liability has been avoided intentionally on that answer? If an apology is to be given, then it could entitle compensation and restate the citizenship. This could have possibly helped some Ethiopians from becoming like territorial animals.
    I think that’s my resentful opinion. This opinion is not intended to undermine the current chaos and unpleasant situation in Tigray/Ethiopia and Eritrea in any way.
    P.s I must also add that you crack me up whenever you add your Amharic mimic words on your Negaret episode.

    Cheers,
    Reclaim

    • Saleh Johar

      Reclaim,
      This interview was done 13 years ago and the one thing I vividly remember is that when I asked him question 9, he was silent for a while and when he said it is regrettable, I believed him. I saw and observed his facial expression, his pause filled response and cadence–I believe the question pained him.

      As for restitution, I was given a limited time which extended–I had many questions that I wanted to ask, but unfortunately, it was not a Paltalk open mic session:-)

      How dare you make fun of my Amharic!
      Thank you

      • Reclaim Abyssinia

        Thank you, Saleh and @hailetg:disqus

        Would you ask that question to the current Ethiopian government if you have that opportunity again?
        I am asking you such a question because I believe in your media presence being effective, and also for a reason that this issue didn’t really get enough media coverage for the number of victims that suffered either nationally or internationally.

        We definitely haven’t heard any official apology or accountability from the Ethiopian government or organisations such as the UN.

        And we also know that that was not the first unfair treatment of Eritrean people in the hand of the international community, you know better than me about that without a doubt, and it might not be the last.

        Once again Eritreans are engaged in Ethiopia interest in Bone~N~Blood and look like Ethiopia needs it for the following reasons.

        1. Ethiopia can not stay afloat without Eritrea
        2. The risk of Ethiopia disintegrating is high if Eritrea is not helping.

        Many Ethiopian trusts Eritrean as their only solution that can guarantee the safety, wellbeing & unity of Ethiopia to stay intact. ( source @Abi )
        If Ethiopia want to make the best out of Eritrea then
        1. Ethiopia president needs to make an official apology to the people of
        Eritrea pain & suffering caused and also to the Amici.
        2. Ethiopia needs to ensure the welfare of Eritreans that are currently residing and breeding in Ethiopia, mainly in Addis Ababa, with privileges that are not given to any other citizens.
        Hope to hear your thought.
        Cheers,
        Reclaim

    • haileTG

      Selamat RA,

      I think apology and return of property came few years later (I have some family who had received back their property but I also hear some who still have not got anything). In terms of his answer in #9, it is very incoherent and sounds that he was at a loss to admit wrong doing and frank apology. For example: he said until 1998 they had pressure to retaliate from others (most likely Amhara who were plotting to subvert Eritrea) but decided not to return in kind to what Eritrean government was doing. That is contradictory because until 1998 they were collaborating with Eritrean government, so what does he mean by “…And because we felt that whatever the Eritrean government does, we do not need to have a similar response…” in regards to pre-1998?

      • Saleh Johar

        Dear Haile s, HaileTG and all,
        Please help me find the closer Tigrinya translation of “first impression.” Does ናይ መጀመርታ ጦብላሕታ sound right?

        • haileTG

          Merhaba SGJ

          I would choose the more gentler “ፋልማይ ትዕዝብቲ ” I could have used ፈለማ but it would force me to use the notorious redundancy “ናይ”

          Your suggestion is also good, except ክብድ ዝበሉ ቃላት ኮይኖም ከየስምዑልካ??

          • iSem

            Hi haile TG, HS and Emma and SGJ and kebessa
            ኣፎናዊ is too ghedlawit
            ጦብላሕታ as Haille S said it is has familiarity connotation, so imho, it is not to correct.
            መባአታዊ is s too ghedlawit as well 🙂
            ፋልማዊ or ትልማዊ ውህደት is my translations
            ትዕዝብቲ denotes observation but impression has a meaning beyond ones observation,

          • Haile S.

            Selam iSem and all,

            ኣፈናዊ is just good to call your first born ኣፈና.
            መባእታ is too elementary😁
            I like ፋልማዊ!
            So iSem you are voting for ተመስጦ. right?

          • haileTG

            Merhaba moxi,

            I prefer softer words, our society needs them dearly. T’e as in Toblahta or temesTo is harder sound than t’e as in t”ezibti. In the former, the sound is explosive while in the latter the tongue falls gently. The Temenja T’e is noisy compared to temen t’e. Tigrigna needs to be pacified starting with phonic selection 😃

          • Haile S.

            MoKsi Saleh and all,

            MoKsi, ጥራጥ ምስ ክልተ ጥጥ ዘይከበደኩም’ሲ ተመስጦ! ወይ ጉድ!

            Saleh, if ተመስጦ was invented, it is not me. I found it in ተክአ ተስፋይ dictionary. How come you like ኣብርሆ and not ተመስጦ?

            ትዕዝብቲ lacks the vibe, the aura, the hormone present in ተመስጦ & ጦብላሕታ።

          • haileTG

            Hey Moxi,

            Due to Covid – 19, ጠ and ጰ base words are deemed high spreaders, we often sprinkle a little saliva on the listener whenever we sound them:-) Try it. Even the word ጥፍጣፍ is actually accomplished by spitting.. haha. I just wish ጠ spits less:)

            BTW we have no original words that involve the ፐ or ቨ (v’e) sounds. Those are really invented.

          • Haile S.

            MoKsi,

            It is surprising that you are for elimination. I am for addition, መደመር😁. I am for bringing back ኀ፡ ሠ፡ ፀ

            Based on your saliva spreading theory, ጰንጠቆስጤ is super spreader😁? BTW how do you say ጰንጤቆስጤ in tigrigna & amharic and how should the pentecostals be called in these languages?

            Yes ፐ & ቨ are adopted words, not invented :-). I think ፐ was adopted and used long time ago in geez in order to accomodate words used in the bible like passover ፓሳ and ፐፒራ purple and few other more.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam HTG and all,

            What is the rule of thump for Tigrigna conjugation. How is ተዓዘበ = ትዕዝብቲ while ተመሰጠ = ተመስጦ and what are the root words for these words I never heard growing up: ጦብላሕታ፡ አፈናዊ…and what is the difference between ፈላማይ and ፋልማይ? I am not sure if I ever heard some one using ፋልማይ

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            I have a problem with inventing words that doesn’t hit me hard. Let me explain: imagine testing the comprehension of a word by going to a community of speakers of that language and saying the new word! Would they understand it or come close to understanding what you mean? That’s my litmus test but unfortunately I only have to imagine since home is further that what the maps tell you. There is a despicable murky ocean called PFDjaya: on the way 🙂

          • haileTG

            Hey iSem,

            First impression is translated here not just impression. Otherwise, impression can be formed from 30 years of mindless abuse, but first impression is formed from simple observation of a portrait of imaginary tegadali that never existed 🤔

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam SGJ,

          First Impression = ኣፎናዊ ጦብላሕታ

        • Haile S.

          Selam Saleh,

          It sounds right. You can say that. ጦብላሕታ ኣነ ከምዝርድኣኒ ግና፡ ብዙሕ ጊዜ ሓጠቕ ንዘበለና ነገር ንጥቀመሉ ይመስለኒ። ግና ቕኑዕ እዩ።

          ካልእ ኣመራጺ ተመስጦ እዩ። Ex ንመጀመርታ ወይ ከም መኹሲ ዝበሎ ንፈለማ ዝመሰጠኒ፡ ወይ ከኣ ናይ መጀመርታ ተመስጦይ። መሲጡኒ፡ ዝመሰጠኒ… ዝውቱራት እኳ እንተኾኑ፡ ተመስጦ ዝውቱር ኣይኮነን። ግና ቅኑዕ ቃል ኮይኑ ይስምዓኒ።

        • Kebessa

          Saleh,
          I was getting ready to enter ፋልማይ ትዕዝብቲ but then I decided to see what the others think…boom! Haile TG has it. So I would say ፋልማይ ትዕዝብቲ is the best match. ጦብላሕታ sounds to me more like memory…

        • Brhan

          Hello Saleh,
          According lesan.ai, it is :
          ቀዳማይ ጦብላሕታ
          I will include the link on Thursday/

          • Saleh Johar

            Brhan,
            You are closer to my choice. I am surprised HaileS didn’t come with the lesan reference 🙂

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Saleh and all,

            I think if we are looking for direct translation I think Kebessa choice sounds ፋልማይ ትዕዝብቲ seems to me accurate. I say this “impression” is what helps you make an opinion, which can be good or bad. ጦብላሕታ sounds positive opinion but first can also mean negative as well so ትዕዝብቲ seems better.

            However, I think I am assuming that we are looking for Tigrinya word which assumes one does not exist. I believe one which conveys the same message in its native common way, which is very common use. ርእይ ምስ አበልኩዎ / ምስ አብልኩዋ:: this may be used commonly to people but it is also used for things (house or pets) etc.

  • Abi

    Hello Awatenation
    The wait is Over!!!!
    Mr Godot ድንገት ተከስቷል!!!!

  • Saleh Johar

    Selam Ras Abi,
    Sorry for the delay, but as promised, it is here… now I don’t owe you anything 🙂

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Saleh
      በተከበረው የአዋተ እድምተኛ ሥም እጅግ ከፍ ያለ ምስጋና አቀርባለሁ::
      https://youtu.be/7RbJW-Ckntk

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Slaleh,

      Your historical interview, takes one back in time. You asked very timely questions then. I believe his responses were genuine and direct. His passing has disrupted the course of not only Ethiopia but the horn and beyond. As for the Eritrean opposition, it is said he bought the idea of GiE. I believe things would have been much better, if he was still leading at the moment.

      Alas, he kept his promise for you to call him the Ex…

      Thank you

      P.S. Have you tried Abiy?

      • Saleh Johar

        Aman,
        There are a few things that I could say, but in due time. The GiE idea is as old as the Eritrean opposition. It was floated in many occasions by many people–so far, I know at least five people, some prominent, who believe they discover the idea. As far as I know, it was a hot issue since 1977 when the Eritrean organizations controlled all of Eritrea except four or five cities. But I don’t know if Meles suggested that.