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Ethiopia: Coup d’état redefined

Last Saturday, for a few hours the ancient city of Bahir-Dar, the Amhara state capital, became the most famous city in Ethiopia, then the relatively modern city of Addis Ababa, the national capital, stole the limelight. By early Sunday morning, the two seats of political powers finished in a tie and emerged as metaphors of two clashing identities based politics defined by ethnicity and transethnic nationalism.

The first represents attempts by an ultranationalist ethnic group to regain lost glory of a bygone feudal era that, for centuries, dominated Ethiopia political life through a unitary central government. The second, embraced by the historically marginalized ethnic groups, attempting to assert their rights through an ethnic based federal arrangements of decentralized autonomous states.

However, the Oromos who once decried past dominations by the Amhara, and recently by Tigrayans, are now being accused of being the oppressor du jour.

Though the conflict appeared as the center trying to subdue the periphery, the struggle for the hearts and minds of Ethiopians is the struggle between those advocating for a unitary state and others calling for a federal system of governance.

By Monday, Ethiopians began a painful mourning for both tragedies and tried to grapple with the mayhem left by the two incompatible forms of nationalism.

Until Tuesday, the internet was down in Ethiopia. Details of what happened in both cities were confusingly clouded by rumors, but the ominous situation and the expected grave consequences couldn’t have been clearer. Already, communal and ethnic violence has displaced 3 million people since PM Abiy took office last year.

A coup d’état in Search of a State

In a local meeting in Bahir Dar, the home of Amhara, Ethiopia ‘s second largest ethnic group, a heated argument ensued. Dr. Ambachew, the president of the Amhara state, and his adviser Ezez Wasie were shot and soon died of their wounds. The regional attorney general was also shot and on Monday, he died of his wounds.

PM Abiy’s spokesperson said the killing was committed by a “hit squad” under the leadership of General Asamnew Tsige, the region’s security chief who languished in jail for nine years before he was released with other prisoners in a general amnesty last year. No details or evidence of the accusations was offered.

After a few hours, in Addis Ababa, General Seare Mokonen, Ethiopia’s chief of staff was allegedly killed by his bodyguards in his residence together with another retired general, Gezae Aberra, who was at the residence. Again, the PM Office didn’t offer details, but said the two incidents were related.

In the middle of the night, Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed, appearing clad in military fatigues and visibly shaken, made an impromptu statement that went viral on regional social media. He explained the Bahir Dar incident as a coup d’état and appealed to Ethiopians to be united against “forces set on dividing the country.” He also said that the alleged killer of General Seare Mokonen was in custody, but on Monday his office reported that the alleged committed suicide.

But how can a state carry out a coup d’état in a federal country? That’s Ethiopia redefining coup d’état.

For the residents of Bahir Dar, there were no indications of an attempt to assume power unlawfully. Only a few gunshots were heard. There was also no evidence that the alleged perpetrators attempted to take control of the city or any vital government buildings.

But now that both the  moderates and extremist in the Amhara region are left without leaders, and the government account does not seem to be credible, it remains to be seen whether the federal government will have similar success in reigning over the rogue elements like it did in the Somali region, or  it will  unleash another round  of ethnic violence in the Amhara region.

Details that complicate the story

Though General Asamnew Tsige is an established Amhara supremacist who aspired to continue the aggressive posture against Tigrai and the sovereignty of Eritrea, it doesn’t seem he had a premeditated plan to kill Dr. Ambachew, at least not in that specific meeting.

As the incidents in Bahir Dar were unfolding, General Asamnew’s daughter was in Addis Ababa. She had just arrived from the USA to spend the summer with her father who was expecting her. But why would he invite his daughter to spend the summer with him if he was planning for a bloodshed and a coup d’état whose outcome was not guaranteed?

On Monday, the Ethiopian government said that General Asamnew was killed by the federal police in a small town near Bahri Dar.

Details that clear the story

General Seare is one of the few senior Tigrayan officials left in the federal government. And the hate message that began last year against his ethnic group was all too prevalent to miss. In addition, he was in charge of approving the dispatch of the federal forces to intervene if anything goes awry in the regional governments; he faced a similar situation last year when the federal forces intervened and ousted Abdi Illey, the rogue governor of the Somali region.

 

Though not officially stated, there are speculations that General Seare could have been killed in retaliation of his involvement in a plan to deal with General Asamnew, a process that might have already been underway as General Asamnew became more and more brazen in his effort to incite ethnic violence. Last week, General Asamnew put out a video openly calling for all Amharas to arm themselves.

Shifting Alliance

For the keen observers of the political situation in the region, it was somewhat Déjà vu. The widening gap between the federal and the Amhara state was too evident, particularly since February when the power centers started to shift. PM Abiy was leaning towards rapprochement with the TPLF, which was at the receiving end since it lost power in the spring of 2018. Also, to curb the damage by the hardliners of the Amhara region, its government went through a shakeup where the president was removed and replaced by the moderate Dr. Ambachew Mekonone.

On June 10, 2019, Abiy visited Tigrai and met with Dr. Debretsion, the president of the region. Weeks prior to that visit, the relations between Abiy and Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea had started to cool down. The few months old Euphoria had finally fizzled out. Yet, Isais Afwerki maintained a close relationship with the Amhara regional politicians.

Last year, several Amhara opposition groups who were stationed in Eritrea had returned home. Many of them exploited the freedom that they found and adopted more hard-line positions, particularly against the neighboring Tigrai region. They also kept displaying provocative and aggressive attitudes towards Eritrean sovereignty: peddling ancien regime’s imperialist ambitions, showcasing an Ethiopian map which incorporated Eritrea, and more. And now, after the incidents of last Saturday, many are under arrest–some are suspect, while others could be needed for investigations, or to be interrogated to shed light on the events that unfolded in Bahir Dar and Addis Ababa. One of those detained is Dr. Iskender Negga who was arrested while returning from Bahr Dar. He was expected to attend a rally organized by the hardliners to address the Addis Ababa land issues.

Some of the groups that returned to Ethiopia last year have fully embraced Isaias Afwerki, their patron, who openly endorsed their extremist agendas. And that became worrisome for many Eritreans and Ethiopians when his allies invited him to the Amhara region. On Nov 9, 2018, Isaias was received in Bahir Dar and Gonder with a lot of fanfare. Stories that Isaias’ grandfather was buried in Gondar, as was narrated by PM Abiy, served as an assurance, the reason why he was received as the returning prodigal son.

Isaias has counted on the Ethiopian opposition groups and personalities he groomed as political leverage when he saw them off as they returned to Ethiopia. And they didn’t let him down: they helped him sustain the plan to isolate the TPLF, the ruling party of Tigrai which is the archenemy of the PFDJ, the Eritrean ruling party. The anti-TPLF propaganda campaign didn’t let down ever since but just lost its effectiveness when Dr. Ambachew was elected to be the president of the Amhara region in a step intended to recalibrate the region’s relation with Tigrai. But the region’s hardliners were unhappy and continued their abrasive rhetoric against all those who wanted to keep the federal system intact as well as against the sovereignty of Eritrea in ways reminiscent of the Ethiopian imperialist and Derg eras. Dr. Ambachew didn’t fit in the scheme of the hardliner who contend that not much has changed for their ethnic group since PM Abiy came to power, and claim that the Tigrayan domination has been replaced by an Oromo one.

The hardliners were not happy with Abiy Ahmed.

Brig-Gen Asaminew was the Amhara region’s security chief and was said to have enjoyed a significant following among the radicalized youth; he had perfected the art of nationalist rhetoric, promising to achieve the dream of the hardline ethnic nationalists for a hegemonic, and greater autonomy for the Amhara people. To that end, he had been recruiting nationalist militia forces in the region urging the people to arm themselves to fight other groups and regions. General Assamnew harbored hate against the Tigray region from which Gen Seare and general Gezae Abera hail, and he radicalized many in the Amhara region that is facing grave security problems.

General Seare Mekonnen had served as the military chief of staff for a year. PM. Abiy had appointed him when he made sweeping changes in the security apparatus soon after he took office in April of last year. Previously, he was the commander of the Badame front during the Eritrean-Ethiopian border war of 1998-2000.

Looking Ahead

The recent killing incident and “coup” attempt is clearly a sign that the country faces significant security challenges. And the killing of Dr. Ambachew is also a big blow to PM Abiy, who according to the hardliners, had installed him in office.

In addition to the tremendous challenges on how to address the two competing forms of nationalism in Ethiopia, it is unclear if the 2020 planned national election will take place; the government has already postponed the national census until next year. Holding elections without a census will create complications in determining numerical representations in the federal government, and in allocating resources to the states. And that could prove to be a serious issue that might hinder PM Abiy’s plans.
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  • Hope

    CONGRATULATIONS:

    Stage 10: An African rider from Eritrea on the podium today for “the most aggressive rider

    • Haile S.

      ሰላም ፍራቴሎ
      ክንዲ aggressive, combative ዶ ክንብሎ
      ኤሱ ንዕኡ ካይመስሎ
      ኣብ ዓዲ ሓሎ፡ ረፋዕ ኢሉ እንከሎ!

  • Selam All,

    Why is that pfdj supporters try to tell us that they are anti-religion and atheists? What is that they expected from religion and it has not given them? Were they expecting God to stand on the side of the dictator and his dictatorship and bless them, so that IA could be the uncontested master of the whole region?

    About 3 billion Christians and Muslims all over the world, and here are a group of people who demean, demonize and insult the region of half of humanity. Do they think that they are a special group of enlightened people who are bestowed with the ultimate knowledge, or is it the result of ignorance and arrogance? Atheists may not believe in religion, nevertheless, they do not demean and insult the religion of billions of human beings.

    If the supporters of the dictator and his dictatorship believe that religion is one of the enemies of IA/pfdj, well, it is equivalent to accepting that almost the whole of the eritrean society (christians and muslims alike), except the few devotees, are against the dictatorial regime. This is a terrifying admission for the group. It may be that they are scared of religion as an anti-dictatorship power, and the reason they hate it so much. I think that they are creating a formidable enemy, and the end will be disastrous for the regime. Even the communist derg did not dare to bother religion, because it knew that religion is universal and a power to reckon with.

    • bardavidi

      Hi Horizon………Socialism in its inception and as an Ideology at work is anti-Religion and that is why………Corruption,Crime,and Violence are Embeded in it………A morale decay is the Inherent nature of Socialism/Communism and Faith in general does make a Stand against those acts making it Incompatible………Selah

      • Hi bardavidi,

        Socialism/Communism may have said that it was an atheist political philosophy, nevertheless, in my opinion, what it did in reality was to replace God with the general secretary of the politburo of the communist party and religion with the communist ideology. It used state terrorism as a weapon to control citizens, and people were forced to lose their free will. Liberal democracy, despite its shortcomings, seems to be the only way through which human beings can achieve their freedom. Third world dictatorships, that came to power with the banner of socialist/communist ideologies have proved a disaster.

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Horizon,
          I think you got the real reason right here. In fact PFDJtistas are not anti-religious, they are fervently religious. Their god is Isaias and the unseen “leadership”. They don’t question the actions of their god. They explain and provide excuse using past history (that can be abandoned just as quickly if it contradicts the latest action the government takes), using guess work or simply saying “Isaias/”unseen leadership” must have good reasons.
          They decipher the infrequent speeches of Isaias like they are interpreting some manuscript written thousands of years ago, and try to give it meaning to explain the current misery of Eritreans.
          In fact, the reason they persecute Muslim and Christian entities is because those groups dare to worship “another God” and seem to not fear the PFDJistas little god when push comes to shove.

        • bardavidi

          Hi Horizon……..There we go …..We are singing to the same Song……….Named freedom for all………Selah

      • Blink

        Dear bardavidi
        Religion by itself means socialism and the high morals of socialism is set by the priests and sheikhs by the blessings of the society being believers . Islam and Christianity are idiots of socialism and if you don’t understand that we’ll go back to reality then.

        Christians and Muslims sacrifice their body of dictatorial system of life and if you want to get prove well what they do will be your guide tour.

        • Saleh Johar

          Blink,

          What you are complaining about is what all human beings complain about, be it believers or unbelievers. But your reasoning is skewed–first, you have to separate religion as a belief system and as a political identity. Whether you like it or not, every person has such an identity. For instance, whether you change your religion, or discard it, you will be identified by your birth religion. Therefore, we all carry that political identity. And for you to be that arrogant and rule all the religious people in the world as stupid and idiots is beyond comprehension. Do you think the over 3 billion Christians and Muslims are all idiots, and you are the only smart person? Think about it and try to be humble.

          “Religious leaders”, whatever their religion, are a product of their societies and they display their personal/mental capacity, education, awareness,. and general character traits. When a society develops culturally (and they develop personally) problems will be minor that you can ignore–and it is not a big deal because humans are not infallible. But to pick the most foolish people and extrapolate their character on a big chunk of humanity is an idea that can only incubate in a delusional mind with a narrow thinking capacity of an idiot (and I hope you agree with me there).

          My dear, direct your wrath at ignorance, backwardness, lack of freedoms, limiting of personal space, and illiberal governance, not at the victims who know nothing else (sometimes I think you are one of them 🙂

          Whether I like it or not, I am identified as a Muslim, regardless of my behavior and belief. And for you to pretend you are more knowledgeable about issues than the 3 billion people who carry the religious identity is beyond absurd–way, way far, at a distance from the truth. POINTS TO PONDER.

          • Blink

            Dear SG
            Common sense normally would get space in the religious institutions but what happens when facts can not get an inch ? Did the birds got Adam and Hewan chance ? I don’t know but your numbers of billions means nothing to facts on the ground. Religious institutions as old as they are rich in politics and very poor I. facts . Religion is a socialism for me and if for you becomes way of conquering the sky, be it , build your own space room no offense at all.

            Defending religious leaders is simply a risky business but you have the right to defend your personal beliefs in either religion or simply stating the earth as flat can be an airtime invitation for some in the conspiracy world and I am sure you don’t entertain such things. I wonder why you are trying to shield the priests and sheiks ? Oh I forgot the elders meeting.

            In my comment I specifically mentioned the socialism thing in connection to religion and if you wanted to distance the Abrahamic religion from it , make your case . By the way lawyers would analyze things based on cases not based on the tears of their client and especially their clients are known abusers . You are defending the defeated opposition to reason .

            So , what is the beef for you to go on claim the 3 billion are being called idiots ? I mean do you have 3 billion priests and sheiks in your so called religious educators ? Come on even the Catholics are admitting their mistakes , I understand your care but to simply lampshade their necessity as “ societies product “ is becoming like the apologists cry .

            I personally are not recognized by any religious affiliation . I haven’t been so smart to identify night and day , so you know . The printer which was hidden in western world long time ago was a secret creed for the churches , The pendulum you trying to keep statics is out of control sir , you better do something with the string because the balls are going to spin and who knows one side can go wrong , anyway the crime of religious institutions are allowing me to flip the mirror to the 3 million people you trying to use as an argument.

            Religion from its encephalitic nature is anti enlightenment. You want to defend the priests and sheiks ok pls bring good reason for their opposition to vaccines and so many things .I know the weight of being elderly educated brass is pushing to defend them but hi SG what can you possibly lose by lending your hand for the facts on the ground? I mean come on this is not a taboo anymore.
            the core controversies aren’t really “rocket science” at all. In a nutshell It can be always better if you simply accept the reality that religious leaders in most cases are “idiots “ but how do reject the existence of good once ? After all they I mean they specifically are “ ruling society by forcing them to be more cautious to facts . I repeat socialism and Abrhamic religious leaders are intertwined with all bad symptoms.
            Making it personal is one type of tactic if you can get any chance to defend the indefensible and I am afraid you use some of road signs in here .

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            ‘Sometimes you are so self-centered you do not read what is written. I deliberately asked you to see the difference between the religious identity in a political sense and separate if from faith. I am a victim of your kind of vilification when it comes to religion because most of the time, it take the name of a person only. Even if I became an atheist tomorrow, people will treat me like a Muslim. That is simply because prejudice and bigotry is abundant. I didn’t defend religious thing. I defended the right of people to be what they chose. That is not difficult to understand.

            Secondly, though I argued from the political identity of people in its religious categorization, you would not budge and you bring Adam, Birds or other stuff that is not the topic of my interest—look somewhere else for arguments of that nature.

            Again, I am not interest in the belief dimension of religious people, but in their political identity. If you have anything to say on that, bring it on. But theological arguments do not interest me. I touch on it every now and then, to explain what I think is wrong perception, not to defend or advance theological matters. Also, I fiercely defend the right of believers. If not, many people do not mind committing genocide based on religious identities., The time Hitler is a reminder. If that is too far, Rwanda will do, Still, if that is too ancient, Burma will do.

            And those who think they are smarter that all the religious people who existed since man believed in religion, the lives that walked on earth for ions, I can only say they are delusional.

            NB: NO THEOLOGICAL ARGUMENTS, PLEASE, BUT ABOUT RIGHST AND FREEDOMS, ONLY, WITHOUT BIGOTRY AND PREJUDICE–AND IF POSSI|BLE, A SPRINKLE OF HUMILITY WOULD ALSO HELP

    • Nitricc

      Why is that pfdj supporters try to tell us that they are anti-religion and atheists? What is that they expected from religion and it has not given them? Were they expecting God to stand on the side of the dictator and his dictatorship and bless them, so that IA could be the uncontested master of the whole region?

      Horizon; You have this stupid habit talking something you have no freaking idea. You have enough BS in your home and you have an obligation to spend time on your fast failing country. I know it is very hard for an Ethiopian think and understand things but religion is personal and every one who opposes religion is because religious thugs are trying to push their religion in every bodies throat. No one would give a flying hoot if every so-called religious person would keep their religion to themselves. So, for your little thinking process, no one is opposing religion what people are opposing stop slaughtered me if I am not a Muslim. Stop burning me if I am not Christian. Keep your religion to yourself and stop pushing it to everyone throat. Can you understand that? I doubt it you get it.

      • Hi Nitricc,

        Ethiopia’s problem is there, on the surface, for all ethiopians and everybody else to see and find a solution. That is what ethiopians are doing; they are trying to find a solution. Ethiopia’s politics is like a living organism, and it will heal itself. The worst thing is when you have buried the problem of eritrea and you are sitting on it. When that volcano explodes, nobody knows what will happen. Of course, you will make sure that you are not around.

        The one most important thing you fail to understand is that you do not have the moral high ground to judge and insult religion and its believers, when you are the supporter of injustice (dictatorship), a supporter of the regime that puts behind bars young girls, children, women, old people, etc, and forgets about them, the supporter of the regime eritreans are running away from as if it has a contagious disease, and a regime that doesn’t learn from others in the region or from world politics in general, etc.

        When about 300 young eritreans were drowned at lampedusa, many died in the sahara and the sinai, you called them not eritreans, because they left eritrea illegally instead of rotting in the life-long military service; you also called them economic migrants and people chasing electronic gadgets and the rest. Do these things make you morally superior to judge and insult the religion of billions of human beings? Far from it.

        There are religious fanatics as there are fanatics in politics, who end up supporting violence in the name of religion and dictatorship even when it is anti-people in everything. These two create and perpetuate the problems we see both in religion and politics. Fortunately, they represent the minority. For example, you are in the minority, when it comes to supporting the dictatorial regime in eritrea, which tells a lot, and at the end of the day, you will be on the losing side, because “There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always” (M. Gandhi). A lesson for you, if you can understand and if you can get it.

        • Nitricc

          When about 300 young eritreans were drowned at lampedusa, many died in the sahara and the sinai, you called them not eritreans, because they left eritrea illegally instead of rotting in the life-long military service;

          Hi Horzon; first of all please refrain from lying. I know it is in the DNA of your kind lying the form of survival but not in here. I never said they are none Eritreans what I said was, they are defectors. get your stupidity and lie straight. Besides what do you care anything about Eritrea and Eritreans? It is a none issue and none concern to you. I advice you to worry about failing country of yours called Ethiopia. You keep saying Eritreans are running away; so what? If it wasn’t for your TPLF thugs, the same thugs you supported till recently, none of this could have happened. So, if you have a shred of honesty, ask your self and assigned the blame where it should. It is amazing how you abandoned the TPLF thugs once your Oromo came to power and you have the freaking nerve to tell me about moral high ground? I know as an Oromo you feel this is your time to screw Ethiopia but easy my friend, isn’t so!!!
          I don’t think you have any clue where your country is heading under your ethnic and you have the absurdity to lecture me about Eritrea. First secure Ethiopia as we all know and then you can lecture us about the rest of the world.

  • Haile S.

    ሰላም ሰብ ዓወተ፡

    _________ ደሃይ ጳውሎስ ኣለኩም’ዶ _________

    This is an imaginary discussion between 3 awatistas looking for Paul.

    Ha – ጳውሎስ ጠፊኡ
    Em – ኣሎ! ይጥፋእ ጸላኢኡ!
    Ha – ኣንታ እንታይ ገበርናካ
    Em -ንዓኻ ድየ ኢለካ
    Ha – ጸላኢኡ ዶ ኣይበልካ
    Em -እሞ ፈታዊኡ ዶ ክብለካ?
    Ha – ኩሉ ሓደ ገይርዎ ሃዲሞ’ሎ በይዛካ!

    Ism – ኣንቱም ሰባት፡
    ….. ብጸላኢኡ ኣይኮነ ብፈታዊኡ
    ….. ንሱ ንባዕሉ ድሓን’ዶ ይኸውን ወይስ ኮርዩ ጠፊኡ

    Ha – ኮርዩ? ይግሃጽ መንደቕ
    Em -ኣንታ ክገብሮ እዩ! ንጠንቀቕ
    Ha – እንኮሲ ሰብኣይ ይኹን ይትዓጠቕ

    Paul, I am joking. Stop munching the wall!!!

    ኣንታ ጳውሎስ ኮይኑ ድዩ ኮሪኻ
    ሻንፈትካ በጺሓ ኣብ ኣፍንጫኻ
    ይኣክል ቅኒእካ፡ ይኣክል ደሊኻ
    ይኣክል ይኣክል ይኣክል በጃኻ
    ይኣክል

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      ሰላም ሃይላት,

      አሎ! ይጥፋእ ጸላኢኡ
      ይሰስኑ ፈተውቱ
      ይዛርዩ ጸላእቱ
      አስተምህርኡ ክዝርጋሕ
      አብ መንእሰያትና ክዋጋሕ
      ሃገርና ክሓልፈላ
      ትንቢትና ክውዕል አብ መዓላ
      ንሪኢ’ሎና ባና ወጋሕታ
      ይኣክል ምስ ተባህለ ክንገብረሉ መደምደምታ

      • Haile S.

        Selam Emma።

        እዚ ኣጋጣጥማ፡ እዚ ክእለት፡ ተሓቢኡ ዝነበረ ድዩ ወይስ ተቐቢሩ? በል ንኸይተቛርጽን ንኽትቅጽሎን እዛ ትስዕብ ናይ ከኒሻ መዝሙር ከዘክረካ ክዝምረልካ፡

        ገጣሚ ተወሊዱ ኣብ ዓወተ፡ ዓወተ
        ንዑ ዘምርሉ ሃሌ ሉያ፡ ሃሌ ሉያያያያ…

        ብዛዕባ ጳውሎስ ዝበልካዮ ኩሉ ሓቂ እዩ። እቶም ዝበለጹን ዝተፈትዉን መምህራን ኣተሓሳስብኦም ግፍሕ ዝበለ፡ ካብ ኣርእስቶም ወጺኦም ብዛዕባ ካልእ ኣርእስቲ፡ ብዝምስጥ ኣቀራርባ፡ ክዛረቡን ሓሳቦም ክህቡ ዝኽእሉን ከም ጳውሎስ ዝኣመሰሉ እዮም። ጳውሎስ ሳይንስ ፍልስፍና ወዘተ… ንየውሃት (science … philosophy for dummies etc) ዝብሉ ኣርእስቲ ዝሓዘሉ መጻሕፍቲ ብትግርኛ ክጽሕፍ ንማሕጸኖ። ቅድሚ ወርሓት ኣቢሉ CRISPR ‘for dummies’ ብዝብል ኣርእስቲ ዘቕረቦ ሓተታ መን ይርስዕ?

        እምተረኺብካዮ፡ እዚ ከም ሓዊ-ለይቶ ውልዕ ጥፍእ ግደፎ በሎ! እዚኣ ካልኣቲ መጸዋዕታን መጠንቀቕታን እያ። እንተዘይኮይኑ እቲ ብ-Awate-team ዝተዋህበኒ ስልጣን ተጠቒመ ብ-CRISPR ገይረ ከምዘይትጠፍእ ክገብረካ እየ ይብለካ ኣሎ ደብተራ ሃይለ በለለይ:-) 🙂 ።

        • Paulos

          Selam Hailat, Professor A Hidrat, Ayay and all,

          We bonded strongly over the years so much so that we feel like we have known each other in person since forever and it may sound over the top but it is almost impossible for me to disappear from a family I consider thicker than blood. Been tied up of late hence my transient ምሕካል።

          Will engage more after the first half of August. Many thanks for those kind words ክቡራትን ብሉጻትን የሕዋተይ ኣያታተይ!

          • Haile S.

            Good to hear from you, Paul.
            à bientôt!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            መርሓባ ዶ/ር ጳውሎስ

            ተቀማጢ እዚ ከባቢ ዝቅመጠሉ ብኳንካ ብላምባዲና ገይረ ሃሰስ ዘይበልኩኻ ቦታ የለን:: ይኹን እምበር እቲ ናይ ወትሩ “virtual telepathic communication” እንገብሮ’ውን ንዘለኻዮ አነጺሩ ክሕብረኒ ኣይከአለን:: እቲ ኾይኑ’ዚ ንስኻን እስማዒሎን ነዚ ፎርም’ዚ (ነዚ ዌብሳይት ዘይኮነ) ክቦ ደርብየምሉ ከይዶም እዮም ዝብል ግምት ነይሩኒ:: ምኽንያቱ እዚ ፎርም’ዚ ካብ ናይ ትምህርታዊ ክትዓት ናብ ናይ ጸርፍን ጸለመን ካብ ዝልወጥ ነዊሕ ኮይኑ አሎ:: ኣነ እንተኾነ’ውን ናብኡ መደምደምታ ክኣቱ ቁሩብ እዩ ተሪፋኒ ዘሎ::

            The “wearing off effect” by the derisive languages of the trollers is looming in the mind of many thoughtful and imaginative individuals who could make the forum the source of exchanging knowledge.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            Good to hear back. Well here is a song you might enjoy. A’intey by Yosuf Seed. A song I have not heard in ages, since I left just come across recently.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubOuUB3GlU&list=RDWPInZodetCc

            Berhe

    • Saleh Johar

      Hello All,
      Paulos asked for a short leave of absence to clean his mind from the abuse he accumulated dealing with some individuals. I think his leave ended yesterday. More absent days will win him a fine. The Awate Team has delegated HaileS to decide the fines after convening a mock parliament here–because we cannot do it in Eritrea. It’s a disgrace to have a parliament at home because we have elect-of-god ruling and they are infallible.

      • Mokie Berhe

        Salam Saleh Johar. Please ping me for you will see that I am communicating you from Asmara, Eritrea. You wish to collate with the likes of very, very clear TPLFites like Paulos and Haile S., then do do so on your own shame and accord, for it is truly pathetic and a total disgrace to my fellow Eritrean sisters and brothers who have sacrificed their lives for Eritrea. Unlike you guys, I have the guts to return to Eritrea and to take my fight against the PIA/PFDJ dictatorial regime. Maybe I cannot communicate much longer but at least I am not a coward like you guys.

        ,

        • Saleh Johar

          Oh Mokie,
          Now you frightened me. I am shaking that you are communicating with me from Asmara! What Mokie? You think I am from Siberia and you are doing me a favor for communicating from Asmara? Poor me, I do not have anyone in Eritrea, they are all your properties.

          Let me use a friend’s favorite word: LISTEN, if I was someone who takes orders, I would have taken it from the bosses ruling Eritrea–I don’t think I would have been denied a comfortable job doing something for them. No. I do not take orders. And please keep your bravery alive. Next time post your picture.

          Thank you for the entertaining message.

          • Mokie Berhe

            Hi Saleh Johar. You guys talk a lot, really a lot. But when it come to,putting your life on the line for Eritrea, you do diddly. I am in Asmara I am ready to give my life fighting the regime, what about you my friend?

          • Saleh Johar

            Good for you Mokie,
            Remember Isaias and his collaborators are also in Asmara. Don’t feel you are the only one there. There is no reason to feel lonely Go ahead and do what you have to do as for myself, I have retired from bravado’s—do your revolution without me. Good luck

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            For PFDJites: let alone to use their picture as Avatars, they could not even comment with their “birth names” given by their parents. Their bravado behind pen names is not an Eritrean character. ገና ካብ ምብህራር ወያነ ዘይወጹ አበር ናይ
            ኤርትራዊ ኒሕ እዮም:: Their situation reminds me about a Japanese man, who was hidden in cave for decades, came out few years ago from his cave and asked whether the world war-II is over.

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            It’s amazing. How do they get an ego massage by proxy? And the bravado! They think going to Asmara is an act of bravery even if one spends his sojourn jumping from one drinking hole to another.

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም መኾነን፡

          Yes writing live from Eritrea is a real achievement. To be part of that system, one need to sell his whole in order to be part of that ineffective system. It needs a lot of courageous cowardice. Me think you are in Mekelle. The biggest cover you can get is through ወዮ ናታ ንሓማታ!

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Haile S. Go ahead buddy….talk the BS talk. You wish to challenge the PIA/PFDJ regime? Then take your cheap talk back to Eritrea in the form of action. Otherwise, please simply shut up.

          • Haile S.

            Selam ሞኪ፡

            I don’t expect anything different from you. ደድሕሪ ኢሳያስ ዝኸደ shut up ለመደ. If you find others are not doing enough, show yourself by example before you start controlling other’s mouths and hands. The only mouth you can shut off is yours. We are not in Eritrea here!

        • Paulos

          Mokie,

          You can accuse me of being TPLF cadre if not a sympathiser where I could care less but accusing Hailat of being one is way off the chart. And sporting courage when you show off daring as you claim logging in from Asmara is a testament not only of your heap of lies but a messed up head crying for help. The only Eritrean that I have come to know whose is fierce and fearless is Aya Saleh Johar. And to accuse him of cowardice is sick!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            May be መኾነን is right, in Asmara for the PM’s visit serving as የሃጼ ኢሳያስ የእልፊኝ ኣስከልካይ!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            Maybe submitting to the pfdj is the only act he doesn’t consider cowardice? He wouldn’t know anything about moral courage. If he did, he wouldn’t bring and use it haphazardly. In his mind he thinks he convinced the forum he is so brave So, to be considered brave, a group surrender to the pfdj night be a good idea. And they say air tickets are not expensive these day. Let’s do it 🙂

          • Mokie Berhe

            Salam Paulos. You are simply 100% pure unadulterated digital woyane. It is not an accusation for it is a fact. You are the pathetic liar for pretending to be an Eritrean. That people support you here is truly pathetic and the reason why comments come here slower by the day; you have killed this site.

    • Consolation

      Selam Haile,

      ኣነስ ኣይገርመኒን ዶቶረ ምጥፍ ኡ
      ይ ኣኽለኒ ዝብለሉ ኣኺሉ ግዜ ኡ
      ምስ በርሃሉ ነገር ምውድ ኡ
      ከም ዘይምለስ ወያን ኣብ ናይ ቀደም ቦት ኡ

      በይኑይኮነን ኣለዉ ከም ኡ
      ነፍሶም ጸሊኦም ወገኖም ዝጸል ኡ
      ከምዚ ናቶም ክሕደት ኣይፈልጥን ተሪ ኡ
      ሰብ ረኺብና ኢሎም ንወያነ ዝድፍ ኡ

      ዘምልኽ ዎ ጭፍራ ተፈቲሑ ስረ ኡ
      ይቍዝም ኣሎ ኣብ መቐለ ተሓቢ ኡ
      መኣዝኑ ጠፊእዎ መእተዊ መውጺ ኢኡ
      ብዂሉ ተናዒቑ ብዅሉ ተጸሊ ኡ

      • Haile S.

        Selam consolation,

        ኣንታ ደባስ ኢ-ደበሶም፡ ወሪዱካ እንታይ
        ዘረባ ጌርካዮ ዘረባ ዓቀይታይ
        እምቢ ዘይብሉ ሕራይ ኣለኹ ጎይታይ!
        እንታይ ኣለዎ እንተ’በሎ ዶቶረ ንታሕታይ
        ቀርኒ ኣንዊሑ እዚ ናይ ሃገርና ተስታይ
        ኣጉል መራሒ፡ ኣጉል ድዑል፡ ኣይ-ተባዕ-ታይ
        ዶቶረታት ጸሊኡ፡ ኣህዲሙ፡ ሓቚፉ ዓቀይታይ

        ግጥምኻ ምዓር ወለላ፡ ትሕዝትኡ ዕረ
        ምናልባት ምትሓየኸ ዋላ’ኳ እንተመረረ
        ግና’ሲ ኣቕዒንካዮ፡ ጥዒሙ ዝሓረረ
        ዘይውሓጥ ኮይኑ ገዚፍ ጥረ-ምረ
        ንዓ ድኣ ተመለስ፡ ኣምጽእ ዝጸረረ

        ዶቶረ እንተጠፍአ፡ ኩላትና ከሰርቲ
        ሃገርና ትህነጽ፡ ብኸምኡ ብሓደ፡ ብሓንቲ
        ናብ ውግእ ኣይነስግሮ ባህርያዊ ቅርሕንቲ
        ዶቶረ ኣይኮነን ንሃገርና ዘንቆልቁላ ዘሎ ካብ ላዕሊ ንታሕቲ
        ወዮ’ኳ ድኣ ዕላሉ ትምህርቱ ዝኸውን ንናእሽቱ ንዓበይቲ
        ጽምም ኢልካ ውሓጦ ዋላ እምተመሰለካ ዝመጸ ካብ ታሕቲ።

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Haile S.
          ኣያኒ ዕላልካ ጥዑም
          ክነግረካ ኩሉ ናይ እዚኦም
          ንሕና ንሱ ክብሉ መዋእሎም

          ወዮ ንሱ ቃሕ ዝበሎ ይገብር
          እንተ ወደሱ እንተበሉ ክበር
          ኣቅሓ ነይ ቆጽሮም እቲ ፈገር

          እቲ ምሁር ንዩት ብዓንተቦ
          ነዚ ፍልጠት ኣብ ምዕራብ ዝኣከቦ
          ኣስተነዓቆ ደረበየሉ ኩቦ
          ከም ኤርትራ የለን ኢሉ ዝዛረቦ

          ወዮን ቦንዲ በሊዑወን ቁርጥም
          ወየን ገዛ ተመባጺዑ ህልም
          ወየን መርዑት ጅሆ ተታሒዘን
          ወዮ ቀብሪ ብብጻይ ቀሺ ዝብየን

          ወዮ ሕልሞም ኮይኑ ዘባህርር
          ወዮ ጃህራ መሊሱ ዘሕፍር
          ኣብ መን ከውጽእዎ ዝኹሉ ሕንክርክር
          ይበሉዎ እምበር ንወዮ ዶክተር

          ምህሮ የብሉን ኩሉ ቅዳሕ እዩ ካብ ጉግል
          ወያነ እዩ! ከመይ ጌሩ ኣይትበል
          ወይ ብትውልዲ ወይ ብውዲ ወይ ብስነ ፍልጠት ዓውዲ
          ኣርግፈሉ ኩሉ ጸርፊ ዘረባ ስዲ

          ካብታ ዘስተምህራ
          እታ ዝከፈአ ትገብራ
          ተስፋ ትህብ ንኹሉ ኣበራቢራ
          ኣለዉና እባ ሰብ ፍልጠት ህዝቦም ዝፈትዉ ብሓበራ

  • Desbele

    Selam all,
    https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/07/11/eritreas-gulag-state-is-crumbling.

    “With neither a war to justify his repressive dictatorship, nor any promise of reforms to placate long-suffering citizens, Issaias’s grip on power seems to be weakening. For the first time in years, says a military officer, people are openly complaining in neighbourhood meetings, despite the threat of being denied state rations for doing so. “I see many people calling for his resignation,” he says. In recent weeks residents of Asmara have woken up to fresh graffiti calling for an end to conscription”

    ይኣክል!!

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Berhe Y, Hope, Abrehet Yosief and all

    “Even if (Western countries spy on their citizens), there is an INDEPENDENT legal system that governs such access / monitoring to take place by government or the state.” Berhe Y

    “Why and to what end the PFDJ and the Western Govts spy on their citizens? For the National Security Interest of their respective nations and people’s vs their dole narrow interest and survival. For that matter,it is totally unfair to compare incomparable systems!
    The PFDJ style is mainly for its own survival….and to control its citizens.” Hope

    1. – Folks: It is not rocket science. It is not even that complicated. It is as simple as A B C. Surveillance/spying is a necessary evil. Surveillance/spying on one’s own citizens is a fact of life that is done by every government on this planet. It just varies on its effectiveness and sophistication, depending on the resources and technological capability of a given nation. And for obvious reasons, Eritrea’s surveillance/spying capability compared to that of the West, is not even one tenth of one percent.

    2. – Freedom is not absolute; it is relative. Surveillance/spying on one’s own citizens is a necessary evil – as I said before. Without surveillance/spy work, it is impossible to protect a country’s national security. It is impossible to maintain law and order. And it is impossible to have a peaceful and stable nation that follows the rule of law.

    3. – The main misunderstanding that we’re having here today is our inability to separate fact from opinion. And let me spell it for you fact from opinion.

    A. – Surveillance/spying on one’s citizens is a necessary evil that is done by every country on this planet. THAT IS A FACT.

    B. – No Nations is run by angels. Every government on this planet is run by imperfect humans who make their share of mistakes and misdeeds. THAT IS A FACT

    C. – When surveillance/spying is done to one’s own citizens by white governments it is Kosher/Legitimate but if it is done by the PFDJ/African governments it is a crime. THAT IS AN OPINION – A DEGRADING AND A SELF-HATING OPINION AT THAT.

    4. – You all are entitled to your opinion, and I’m entitled to mine. And difference of personal pinion is all we have here on this discussion

    5. – Here at Awate, except few everyone calls me and truly believes, I’m a PFDJ supporter. Which I’m not. But I’m fine with that; because it doesn’t get under my skin and I know myself better than those who are labeling me.

    Hope hates the PFDJ regime so much, couple of days back on the bottom of this article’s comments, he told me and the whole world in print, any Catholic who supports the PFDJ regime is a fake Catholic. BUT, but, but to many here at Awate, HOPE is a PFDJ sympathizer. THINK ABOUT THAT.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Hope

      Steam Semere :
      I would care less about the regime spying on its citizens provided it is fine for the best interest of Eritrea and Eritreans and as long as it allows its citizens to have a basic rights as Citizens.
      Let me clarify what I said:
      Any Christian or Faithful of any Religion ,who believes in the Rule of Law and Justice cannot and should not support any regime that does not respect human rights of its own citizens and which does not allow constitutional governance.
      And if he PFDJ REGIME belongs to such kind of regimes and those self-declared Faithful support such a regime,they cannot be Christians or Godly people.
      So,with all due respect Vet,where is the confusion here or a point you are trying to make here,big bro?

      • Blink

        Dear Hope
        Are You suggesting religious people have been always on the right side of history? I mean how come you are trying to make the religious people pure as their imagination of heaven ?

        The so Godly people kneeled down to Hitler and so many ugly faces of this earth. The Christians and the Muslims have been always a vehicle for torture and everything that has to do with dark stories.

        Facts can be presented point by point

        • Hope

          Selam Blink:
          Please,let us be on the same page.
          We are talking about Principles.
          No one is perfect.
          I am a history Student as well.I studied or took enough history courses including religious studies in general and Church Hx and Islamology in particular.

          Am fully aware and in depth about, your take and concerns.
          The Church has dark hx since the 16th century scandal,which led Martin to protest against the same Church and tried to reform the Church.
          I am NOT naive about what you guys are telling me about the Catholic Church.
          I am not condoning or sympathizing with the Corruptions and scandals of the Church Clergy
          But am trying to correct your toxic perception about the Catholic Church that the Church is not just a bunch of Child Molesters and Gays.
          If you have to read about the Church hx,read t in its totality.,not just selectively cherry picking on the negative aspect of the hx.
          I commented on the constructive role of the Catholic Church and its particular role on Social Justice..
          The Catholic Church cannot and should NOT be judged only by the sins and crimes of its few sinful and weak members.

          • Gerogee

            Hope
            At this rate you might be close to being as stupid as Berhe. Do the following.

            1. Stop using Palmpilot get yourself a real smartphone.

            2. Stop flip flopping.

            3. Don’t try hard to look “balance ”

            4. Change your NAME the “hope” brand is damaged beyond repair.

            5. Don’t compete with Berhe, he got the monopoly on stupidity.

          • Hope

            Georgee
            hiohiohohohio

            GROW UP buddy.
            It is 21st century.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Hope,

        I think I am at liberty to say that, every Orthodox Christian who supports the regime can not call himself as one. Because the Orthodox Christian and his leader, the holiness has been in detention for the past 14 years and the Church is controlled and owned by the PFDJ.

        I think the ERITREAN muslims have been one of the first victims of the PFDJ regime and as such, I think there should NOT be any ERITREAN Muslim that should support the PFDJ regime.

        The Johova, the Pente and any other minority’s churches have been the victims of the regime and as such any person who belongs to those religion should not be supporter of the PFDJ regime.

        You see where I am going, the PFDJ by its reckless acts, has created war in every citizen and its actions will help ISOLATE the regime.

        Berhe

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Ahlan Semere Tesfai,

      Definitely, Surveillance is important for the protection of a people and nation. The difference comes when it protects regimes and oppresses peoples. I think you don’t deny the unprecedented repression of the regime to the people of Eritrea. They have turned the people of Eritrea into slaves in their own country, in the 21st century.

      Surveillance should not be at the expense of the freedom and well-being of the people. If the security apparatus task is to operate against the prosperity and freedom of the people, therefore, no need for them. Certainly, such kind of surveillance is not a national security apparatus, because they are just serving a single mental guy.

      Al-Arabi

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Semere T.

      ነዚ ክትግዕታ ዶ ትርሕጻ እኮ ኮይኑ ናታካ ነገር

      Why you try to complicate a simple situations.

      A. – Surveillance/spying on one’s citizens is a necessary evil that is done by every country on this planet. THAT IS A FACT.

      Totally FALSE. NOT TRUE AT ALL.

      For example, here in Canada, the government (the police) need to have a COURT ORDER (meaning, a judge has to approve and authorize) spying / surveillance on any citizen. Otherwise, any information that is obtained without the consent of a judge, no matter how damaging / criminal, it will be thrown out of court and it will NOT stand.

      You see, a judge will why all the pro / against such activity and based on his judgement (that’s why he / she is a judge) they give the police the authority to do so. It means, the police have to present “evidence” it’s the best interest of the nation / country to do so.

      That is totally different, from your FACT (By the way it’s your own FACT).

      Berhe

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Berhe Y

        Berhe: Let me ask you AGAIN what I asked you before.

        “For example, here in Canada, the government (the police) need to have a COURT ORDER (meaning, a judge has to approve and authorize) spying / surveillance on any citizen. Otherwise, any information that is obtained without the consent of a judge, no matter how damaging / criminal, it will be thrown out of court and it will NOT stand.”

        Berhe: Let me ask you AGAIN what I asked you before.

        If the Eritrean government asks through legal channels, and gets the consent of the Eritrean court, would you support the surveillance of the Eritrean government on its citizens?

        Semere Tesfai

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Semere,

          I don’t recall you asking me this or I missed it.

          Yes, Absolutely.

          Provided that the court is independent, I mean fully independent that the government can’t have the power to trump on its independence.

          Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            “Yes, Absolutely.

            Provided that the court is independent, I mean fully independent that the government can’t have the power to trump on its independence.”

            Thank you Berhe for your fast and clear answer.

            But make no mistake: Acknowledgment of the independence and impartiality of a given country’s court is an opinion; not a fact.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Semere T.,

            I think we beat this issue more than it needs to be.

            How is “independence if courts an opinion”.

            In Canada fir example, the Supreme Court, the highest court of the land, is made up of judges who stay in position until the mandatory retirement age which is 75. Some countries do not have the mandatory retirement and stay for life.

            It’s true the judges are appointed by the PM and it’s true that he normally appoints judges that are sympathetic to his party. But the probably of the same PM, appointing all judges who are sympathetic to him is almost zero and there is always the balance of power.

            I will tell this famous case in Canada, regarding a Canadian citizen. His name is Omar Khader and he is born in Canada to Egyptian (origin parents) who are Canadians. His father become Osama Bin Ladin Luatenant and he moved his family to Afghanistan. Omar was only 15 years old when the US invaded Afghanistan. His father was killed and Omar was a child solidier who was captured in the war and was accused of killing American solidiers and was detained in Guantanamo Bay. His detention was criticized by all human rights organization around the world and including the Supreme Court if CANADA, who ruled he should be brought home to serve his sentence (after he admitted under torture). Then PM, a conservative refused his repatriation and allowed him to stay there (the only Western born citizen left) after Obama come to power.

            When another liberal leader come to power and he was brought home to serve his sentence. He did (and most of it cancelled ) and he is free man. He sued the Canadian government for obstructing on his rights and he settled for 10 million dollars for the time he spend there.

            A lot of Canadians are upset by this but equally more are in support of this action by the Canadian PM. I am one who supports the actions taken by the PM. He famously said “a Canadian is a Canadian is Canadian”.

            I brought this example, to show you that the courts are not absolute (nothing is) but they strive to be.

            Now we are talking about our own citizens and our own people, who have done nothing, but tend to their people immediate needs.

            Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            1. – “How is “independence of courts an opinion?” In Canada for example, the Supreme Court, the highest court of the land, is made up of judges who stay in position until the mandatory retirement age which is 75.”

            In America, from the lowest courts to the Supreme Court, Judges are nominated based on their rigid preconceived opinion of social issues – on women rights, labor rights, gay rights, abortion rights, minority rights….. Meaning: people very much know in advance, how a certain judge is going rule on his/her bench based on their past opinion and past rulings. Now tell me, why wouldn’t one’s claiming independence and impartiality of courts as a concept – not be a personal opinion?

            2. – Here in Canada, the government (the police) need to have a COURT ORDER (meaning, a judge has to approve and authorize) spying / surveillance on any citizen. Otherwise, any information that is obtained without the consent of a judge, no matter how damaging / criminal, it will be thrown out of court and it will NOT stand.”

            Yes, this claim has some grain of truth to it. But it is not the whole truth – not even close. Obtaining court order for surveillance purposes applies only to the Super-Rich and Super-Powerful – not for ordinary citizens like you and me.

            Berhe: In the Western World, ALL public places have surveillance cameras – banks, hotels, restaurants, recreational parks, streets, highways, government buildings, business buildings, even places of worship (Churches, Mosques, Sinogags….).

            If I rob a bank, sold drugs at the street corner, raped a woman, killed someone near my house…… at night, and no one saw me except the nearby surveillance cameras, do you think the government would let me go free, because the government prosecutor failed to obtain a court order (consent) prior to spying on me? Absolutely not!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Semere,

            I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Or you have no common sense or you have no understanding of the legal system.

            1) No body wants to see, robbers, drug dealers, rapists or murders go free, because of privacy. If such crimes happened in a private home of an individual, the police have grounds to get court order to go and search for evidence in such private property to investigate the crimes. And what ever evidence they find can and will be used to convict a person.

            2) If such crimes is committed in public space, such streets etc. the police have the right to gather all evidence they can find in order to solve the crimes that is committed. That includes collecting evidence from eye witness, surveillance camera etc.

            Here is the key point though: The crime must happen first before the police can go on a hunch and convict people. Crime must occur FIRST.

            3) This notion that the rich and the well off are only entitled to privacy is rubbish. I don’t know if you studied your constitution or your rights as a citizen (assuming you live in the US). There is such a thing called, “Freedom of Information” in the US and and in Canada there is a law called “access to information act” for example where as a citizen you have the right to access all the information the government have on a citizen or any court ruling. Sure the government have the right to withheld some information in the name of national security etc..but that needs to be determined by law (meaning the judge has to decide if it should be enacted or not). You don’t have to be super rich or hire dozen of lawyers, you just need to follow the procedure in the act and you get all the information you need.

            Anyway, enough of these..and very LAST attempt…

            WHY did you join Ghedli and willing to give you life for it? What was the reason? If it’s personal and you don’t want to reveal, by all means.

            Berhe

    • Hope

      Selam Sem:
      Read my previous response.
      I agree with you on the following at least sin principle.
      “- Freedom is not absolute; it is relative. Surveillance/spying on one’s own citizens is a necessary evil – as I said before. Without surveillance/spy work, it is impossible to protect a country’s national security. It is impossible to maintain law and order. And it is impossible to have a peaceful and stable nation that follows the rule of law.

      3. – The main misunderstanding that we’re having here today is our inability to separate fact from opinion. And let me spell it for you, the fact from opinion.

      A. – Surveillance/spying on one’s citizens is a necessary evil that is done by every country on this planet. THAT IS A FACT.

      B. – No Nation is run by angels. Every government on this planet is run by imperfect humans who make their share of mistakes and misdeeds. THAT IS A FACT

      C. – “When surveillance/spying is done to one’s own citizens by white governments, it is Kosher/Legitimate. But when the exact same surveillance is done by the PFDJ/African governments it is a crime. THAT IS AN OPINION – A DEGRADING AND A SELF-HATING OPINION AT THAT.”

      I partially agree with your and I used to say the same thing when Eritrea has been singled out and targeted by the Evil Western Empires as Eritrea was worst hell on earth while their Nations including the TPLF Ethiopia were way worse than Eritrea.
      Your comparison and interpolation or ref is totally irrelevant/out of context.

      Abrehet used that word “spying” generically without going into details.But her message was deeper than that.

      4. – You all are entitled to your opinion, and I’m entitled to mine. And difference of personal pinion is all we have here on this discussion.

      Spot on…I have been a victim of such a Hypocrisy….as you alluded it below Hipe being considered as a PFDJ Apologist for having a different opinion on the PFDJ and Eritrean Affairs.

      My only disagreement with you is that you are ignoring the misery and Human Rights abuses,the kidnapping,the killings,,the jailing of innocent kids and elderly,,lack of Strong Institutions,Lack of Basic Rule of Law…lack of basic economic freedom and Education..etc…in Eritrea.
      Why are you shying away from addressing those serious issues?

      I do not expect you and Mahmuday to curse or insult the PFDJ Regime as some of us do here but…acknowledge those facts and advocate for the Rule of Law…
      You are blaming the Eri catholic Church for doing that and you still think that the Church is a CIA Agent for regime change!

      5. – Here at Awate, except few everyone calls me and truly believes, I’m a PFDJ supporter. Which I’m not. But I’m fine with that; because it doesn’t get under my skin and I know myself better than those who are labeling me”.

      Please,just ignore those Hypocrites with the attitudes and approaches of Dictatorship .

      Here is my little difference/nominal disagreement with you:
      You are ignoring the main topic about the overall misery of Eritreans at home….that they have no Basic Rights to have a say and to live as Citizens.
      The other things you listed are secondary.
      Forget about the spying thing…,which is the least of my problems but it becomes a major problem in Eritrea when the regime uses it t o kidnap and imprison people and making them to live in a perpetual FEAR.

      I have lived in the US for close to a quarter of a century and I have gone through and experienced all kinds of racism or discrimination or whatever you call it but am relatively happy and successful; and in fact,I am in the camp of those 1-5% privileged US population…despite my origin, my color and my creed.

      Here is the GIST of my message:

      I am scared to death to go to home to see my 80 yrs old parents….I have NO problem going to Ethiopia —by just packing up and buying a ticket and grabbing my passport and get an entry visa at the Bole Intl Airport.
      But if I go to Eritrea,there is a chance that I will be spied on and chased after…and get detained…not coz am I a criminal but prob coz of opinion and expressions against the PFDJ Govt.
      I was detained in the Asmera Airport for 4-6 hrs but released after my old boss EPLF Security/Intelligence Officer I worked with during Pre-independence Era met me,who happened to be the Chief Security Officer at the airport(wedi keshi) and the Hotel room I stayed was stormed by a Security Gang but had no clue as t why…and the could not tell me why.

    • iSem

      i Semerer T:
      Your relish of the obvious is disturbing:
      You said no country is run by angles. Wow so deep, quantum leap!! Oh my.
      Semere, you wrote volumes, needlessly but I must admit you improved you reduced capitalizing and bolding and highling.
      Now the reason humans are not angles is the very reason we need RULE OF LAW and it s equally disturbing that you have no problem of unfettered surveillance by the government. Of course since humans are not angles, there are criminals among us and by among us I mean in our society and even in this forum. So that reason we need government to monitor to protect us but under laws and oversight and within reason of balancing security freedom.
      Your twisted view about your self is also disturbing. You say you are not PFDJ, well we cannot prove that you carry card from PFDj because we have not monitored you so we cannot know for sure that you do but yes you espouse the PFDJ narrative, ideals and tyrannically bent and an almost anguished desire to justify the PFDJ crimes in guise of the nation. Let me tell you one obvious fact: your independence has brought mystery, bloodshed, torture and Eritreans were better off without PFDJ and its so called independence. The rocks, the rivers and mountains and plains of Eritrea would not know is occupying them, Amhara or Eritreans or Turkish, but the Eritrean people know who has inflicted more suffering to them and more damage to their identity and pride. It is PFDJ and people like you who morally support it

  • Hope

    Selam Semere Tesfay,Consolation ,Blink and Nittric and others!
    Due to time constraints,I decided to respond to you in a one thread:
    Facts:
    -Eritreans sacrificed more than 100k precious sons and daughters to create a One,Strong,Reconciled,United,Prosperous and developed Eritrea with a Just System in Eritrea
    -To that effect,We charted out a National Charter in 1994 and Ratified Constitution in 1997.
    But the rest is history.

    While Eritrea and Eritreans have gone through unexpected HELL since then due to unexpected and unforeseen obstacles and hassles ,which have led to the mess we are in,there were ways to bypass or minimize such hassles and horrible obstacles, which put our National Security Interest including our Independence and Sovereignty in question .
    Make NO MISTAKE that I fully understand the destructive role our enemies have played to keep us down but my concern and frustration with the regime is that it has had plenty of opportunities to minimize those horrific experiences Eritrea and Eritreans have gone through.
    Here are some of the facts:
    -The regime worked hard or contributed at least partially to the above mess our enemies played a serious destructive role.
    A) Against National Reconciliation since 1991
    B)Against the National Charters of 1994 and 1997
    C) Applied or pursued chaotic and erratic political,diplomatic,economic ,National Security and educational as well as Human Rights policies ,which supplemented to or augmented the destructive conspiracies of our enemies .
    Due to the above and to complicate the matter further:
    -It destroyed the economy and the unity,family values of Eritrea
    -It systematically and directly kidnapped,jailed and or killed or made innocent and top Officials,Journalists,Religious Leaders,Teachers,Doctors,Teens ,etc…
    -It kept Eritrea and Eritreans HOSTAGES of the destructive policies of our enemies in the name of border demarcation ,etc but only to accept the same preconditions it refused 20 yrs ago.

    -Worse, after accepting the peace deal with Ethiopia, it made a U-turn and told us that Demarcation is not a priority or the Weyanes are refusing to demarcate the border,when the truth is that the same Regime NEVER raised this issue with the Ethiopian Govt as exposed by none but the same Ethiopian Govt!

    Worse,despite almost all the obstacles have been lifted,Eritreans are yet to breath a enough oxygen of peace and the peace dividend a year after the peace deal was signed.

    We are on the same status quo and we are even being told that we will be in the same status quo for the next 4 yrs.

    Facts:

    -The border is not demarcated

    -our Sovereign Territories are still under the old enemy but new partner

    -The exodus doubled

    -The economy is in shutters

    -Our innocent prisoners including teens are still in jail
    -No hope for the past due National Reconciliation or Amnesty or The implementation of the Constitution
    And coz of the above, the BRAVO Eritrean Catholic Church challenged the Regime as to why the Peace and National Reconciliation and Constitution and its provisions are being hijacked or delayed.

    To /for the naive:

    The Catholic Church is not made up of few gangs or child molesters
    -The Catholic Church does not only runs few clinics
    -The Catholic Church is not just a mere Religious Institution that deals with only preaching or praying.

    The Catholic Church :

    Despite its ups and downs since it is run by weak and sinful human beings :

    -Is more than 2000 yrs old well organized Institution created to:
    Preach the Gospel of Christ and all its provisions including but not limited to :
    Socio-Economic Justice for all Humanities that includes providing education for the illiterate, healthcare for the sick ,food for the hungry, water for the thirsty and shelter for the homeless ….

    Of utmost importance, to fight for Human Rights and Justice for all humanities wherever and whenever!

    That is EXACTLY what the Eritrean Catholic Chirch is doing in Eritrea !

    Contrary to a certain Consolation’s or Semere Tesfay’s NAIVE and ill-informed assertions,it is not a just a special privilege given to the Church by the PFDJ Regime to say and to do what it has been doing for centuries and decades but its obligation to :
    Fight for JUSTICE FOR ALL everywhere and anywhere in the world under all circumstance and situations and irrespective of or no matter who is in power .

    That is THE MANDATE GIVEN to the Church by none else but GOD!

    Note:
    -The Catholic Church has built and manages the best Education and Healthcare and Social Justice Systems in the world

    -The Eritrean Catholic Church has built and runs the best schools including the Asmera Univ and the top High Schools,Kindergartens and healthcare system in the most efficient way.

    -The Eritrean Catholic Church offered and begged the Sadist Regime to build the best and a world Class Univ (in Africa) in Eritrea in 1995 but the regime refused making lame excuses .

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Nitricc Berhe and All

    “Hi berhe; what is the reason for the closer of the catholic clinics? There must be a reason, what is it?”

    1. – Nitricc: my answer to your question is, like Berhe’s. I don’t really know why the Eritrean government shut down the Catholic Church run clinics. I’m saying ‘I don’t know’ because I want to be safe and politically correct – not because i don’t have my suspicions and gut feelings.
    Now to make a point, let me tell you a thing or two about my past self – my rank and what exactly I did (my job description) during my Gedli years. During my Gedli years, I wore many different hats, all at a junior commanding level – military, political, security (ኣምኒያ), intelligence (ሙኻበራት ዓስከርያ) and some more….. like operating different guns, first aid, and landmine works. That is that. Now…..

    2. – The Power of Keeping a Secret
    Now, before I go further, let me tell you an American story, you can google and read yourself if you care to know the story in great depth. During WWII (1940s), the Japanese military saboteurs, taking advantage of the wind directions, sent about 6000 air-balloons that were carrying different size bombs intended for different purposes, to the US mainland. The air-balloon operation was called the “Fugo” project. Not as much as they were intended, but these bombs did cause many human casualties and property damages. But the American government and the American military experts knew one thing for sure.The effectiveness of this air-balloon bomb project was as good as the feedback the Japanese military get from the American side/media.
    Therefore, to keep the Japanese in the dark (from tracking the success of their project) the American government ordered the American news media, not to mention/report a thing about the balloon-bomb project. Not getting any feedback, the Japanese stopped the Project immediately. And to this day, not only the Japanese military doesn’t know much about the effectiveness/success of the Fugo project, but also it is true about the American public as well. The takeaway from this story: Well, always secrecy is gold.

    3. – War is the sumtotal of individual battles. And for the most part, each battle is a mind game rather than a simple military clash. And in this mind-games, always the best mind wins. And the best mind is the mind that knows its enemy real well, and the mind that can read its enemy inner thinking. And reading your enemy’s inner-thinkings, knowing your enemy’s manpower, knowing your enemy’s positions, knowing your enemy’s hardware, moral…… is called intelligence gathering. Therefore, intelligence gathering is a key factor in achieving military success. If you know your enemy up close, not only you can attack it successfully but also you can bribe and corrupt some of its leaders to work to your advantage/interest – because for a million reasons, there are many unhappy soldiers in the rank and file of your enemy.

    4. Now, how do you gather intelligence? To gather intelligence you have to live up-close to your enemy, and even at times must earn the trust of your enemy (this applies only in cities and towns). And there are a million ways that would get you close to your enemy – through money, friendship, blood relatives, faith (praying together), women/sex, leisure – spending time eating, drinking, in movie theatres, strolling to mention a few. But this is risky. When you start asking very detailed and critical questions, your enemy will put two and two together and will figure out what you’re really up to.

    5. – One of the safest and most effective method we used to use, to collect intelligence in cities and towns was opening a corner store near the enemy camp. We use to open (with Gedli money) a corner store right next to the enemy camp. The store would be run by a Tegadalit or by one of our trusted females, and the store will carry products that appeal to the needs of the enemy soldiers – like boiled eggs, cigarettes, tea, coffee, candy, belt, shoes, socks…. And since it is a business store, Tegadeltis will come to the store wearing civilian cloth (ክዳን ሃገረሰብ), stay in the store for days and weeks to gather information pretending as her cousens, unkles, brothers, sisters. Some would even befriend with the soldiers and get inside the camp.
    And not only the store would serve as intelligence collection spot, but also it would serve as a military operation planning room, tunnels would be dug deep and ammunition, weapons. leaflets, collected money, military clothes and food supply that would be shipped to the field would be stored on underground tunnels.

    6. – The moral of the story: think of the imported faiths as corner stores for foreign interests and try to connect the dots.
    Now you know why they insist to give us free food, free medical services, free education, and free clothing when they have their own destitute people in need of help.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Semere,

      There may well be a front office for other foreign entities. But I really doubt these pure sisters were involved in such activities, may be very hard to believe for someone like you who is a devote Isayasist but there are people who live and dedicate their life in helping others.
      There is no such a bullS…t organization as PFDJ, please do not compare it with ELF or EPLF.

      Eritrea is a country, should act as one.

      In the mean time what happens to the women, who her two year old has viruial infection and his fever is reaching 40 degrees and there no walk-in clinic that she can go to near by?

      If that the real concern, either the government appropriate those facilities and operate them with people it trusts but continue to give service or open near by facilities that can provide the same service.

      If I am the father of baby or a wife that needs an urgent care, I could care less reading about your BS SPY story when you have your wife and children safe and can get the urgent care.

      Berhe

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Berhe

        “I really doubt these pure sisters were involved in such activities, may be very hard to believe for someone like you who is a devote Isayasist but there are people who live and dedicate their life in helping others.”

        Fair enough!
        Now, you are smart guy, and let me ask you an intelligent question. What is at stake for the Catholic Church here?
        Is that because they want to go to heaven by helping the poor? Do you believe, opening the gates of heaven is at stake here?

        Semere Tesfai

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Semere,

          I really don’t understand your question. “What’s the stake for the Catholic Church? “

          I can tell you what the stake is for ERITREAN people, if you had asked me that instead. Those people who live in remote places, like Afar for example, will have huge consequences for care if their young children, where is no immediate health services.

          I don’t know if they do what they do is for going o heaven or open gates of heaven. Religion and believe is personal and I am arguing about religion. What I know is people have different motivation for doing what they do. I don’t know by whom but I heard this quote which I like:

          There are two important days in one life.

          1) the day you are born
          2) the day you found out WHY.

          You see the second part is the hardest part. Some people go lifetime without knowing why.

          I really respect people who dedicate their life in service of others. To me such people know WHY. It doesn’t have to be anything related to believe or faith. For example, I encourage you to watch, Aware.com documentary, and you can appericiate the WHY for Saleh J. Gadi. He decided to dedicate his time, his resources, his life to fight injustice in Eritrea.

          Warren Buffet said “he will give all his money (over 100 billion now) to charity.

          Ghandi’s WHY is to fight the British and free his people to freedom.

          You can say same about Mandela, Martin Luther, Mather Teresa, Abune Antinous, Haji Musa and others who dedicate their life in service of others. The Catholic Nuns and priests are no different.

          Now it’s my turn to ask you.

          When you decided to join Ghedli and fight, did you ever found out WHY? Or you were just going along because that’s why others were doing?

          Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            1. – “I don’t know by whom but I heard this quote which I like:
            There are two important days in one life.

            1) the day you are born
            2) the day you found out WHY.

            I’m sure you know the day you was born. But could you please tell me why you were born? Please!

            2. – “I really don’t understand your question. “What’s the stake for the Catholic Church? “ I can tell you what the stake is for ERITREAN people, if you had asked me that instead.”

            Let me put it differently:
            A. – You know in Africa a government would get in trouble with the West (1) if it refuses to accept services of charity organizations (b) if it tried to regulate the charity organization’s duties and movements. You know that; right?

            Now, can you tell me why the West insist poor countries to allow, say, NGOs to operate without restriction in African countries, when they themselves wouldn’t allow on their country such a thing?

            B. – I know for the Eritrean people the thing that is at stake is the free health services they were getting from the Catholic Church. I got that. But what is at steak for the Catholic Church when the Eritrean government shuts down its clinics? Doesn’t the Catholic Church save money and headache? Is it the gates of heaven or there is some other thing that is at stake for the Catholic Church? That is my question.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Semere,

            1) Very simple. My WHY is finding out IA is the worst person to lead our country and there will never be peace and prosperity as long as he is in power. It’s been 18 years, before that I was discovering my space on this earth.

            Back to you, I had asked you but you didn’t answer your WHY you joined ghedli and prepared to give your life.

            1) I don’t know if the west does not allow NGO to operate in their countries. I know many religious institutions from other country that operate here freely in Canada. Off course in some cases, there is licensing (like all Canadians do) need to have, in terms of meeting qualifications and standards. etc I am sure it’s the sAne in the US. In New York for example, there was big hoopla when some Islamic institution (funded by Saudi i think) bought a building near ground zero. In Toronto, there is a huge presence of Ismaili organization that’s under the Aga Khan. So I don’t know what you mean they don’t allow. If they do, it’s not for sure under the whim of a dictator.

            2) I told you already money is not everything for some people. In the US for example, if you make over 100K, there is not much more you need to have decent living (in most stats). Those people that make 100 million or more, do not really have better life other than some expensive materials. Buffet lives in a house he bought in 70s for 30 thousands dollars, even though he has over 100 billion.

            To your question, I don’t if you really know what you are talking about. Those clinics are run by Eritreans for the most majority (probably over 90 %). The Catholic Church probably provides funding towards the operation of it. Those nuns and priests, I believe they do because of their good heart. They are not doing it for the sake of some NGO.

            Have you not heard rich family or church that gives shelter and provide food and clothing for the needy? There were enda Haji Hassan I think, who use to hand out money every EiD to the poor regardless of who the person is.

            Even in Eritrea, if someone comes begging during the time while you are eating, you never tell him “yirDaeka”, at least that’s what my mother thought me.

            I don’t know what this has to do with NGOs, IA propaganda.

            Berhe

        • Nitricc

          Hi Semere: it is very difficult to the likes of Berhe to understand the concept of ” there is no free lunch” I think the system they are in, the welfare-state system convince them that the is a ” free lunch” So, I wouldn’t be surprised if Berhe and the likes of him truly believed the white people do thing for free to go heaven. it is sad but how do you build a viable nation with people like Berhe who wanted everything free? that is a disturbing and ominous thought.

      • Nitricc

        may be very hard to believe for someone like you who is a devote Isayasist but there are people who live and dedicate their life in helping others.

        Hi Berhe; you just told me to grow up but I am wondering who should do the growing up. You have the nerve to lecture Semere-T about dedicating life for others. Really? When you were having a sleepless nights to momorize your lies for your immigration interview; Semere T had a sleepless night receiving information and breaking codes. When you were in line waiting for your walfare check Semere T was giving it all for the greater good. When you spend your enrier young age to reach Canada, Semere T gave it all for his people, country, self-worth, Pride and Dignity. And you have a freaking nerve to lecture to the people of honor, the likes of Semere Tefay. Shame on you.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          I still ask you to grow up, but alas nothing works with you.

          Semere T. is a smart and grown man and let him respond in his own and I will reply to him.

          As to what I do in Canada, and what I provide, I wish you knew.

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; I know you can’t spot it but I wasn’t defending Semere-T. he doesn’t need my defending. Yesterday a friend of mine texted me a link about Grace Mahariy donating solar system to a dusty, remote village in Eritrea. The smile of the grown up people and excitement of the children simply heart warming. Now, you the freaking nerve to tell me

            As to what I do in Canada, and what I provide, I wish you knew

            “I” I am not talking about “I” only dumb and stupid people are obsessed with “I”And no I don’t want know, sorry. After all you live in Canada, please !

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            Ok this is the last reply to you, Hangol Derho. I was never taking about my self but you keep telling me what I do for living..which is collect welfare and live on Canadian welfare (not that there is anything wrong with it).

            You see, Hangol Derho, Grace Mahray, is the person who found out WHY she is born and doing something. why is she doing that? Is she doing it so that he can go to heaven?

            Now what if the goovernment shut her down and stopped here from what she is doing, just like the nurse and nuns in the Catholic church.

            Are you going to ask….she mush have done something….or she is doing something wrong otherwise IA would not shut her down..

            You idiot, Grace Mahray is Canadian as well. Born in Canada, raised in Canada, educated in Canada. Did that stop her from wanting to do something for her country, you keep saying I live in Canada.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Ato Berhe; her business is not in Canada but in New York a LA. So, when I tell you there is nothing in Canada believe me.

            Grace Mahray, is the person who found out WHY she is born and doing something. why is she doing that? Is she doing it so that he can go to heaven?

            Oh my you are dumber than I thought. She Eritrean! unlike you she cares about her people. May be I will share the link with and you might learn a thing or two about the greater good. Have you ever ask to yourself where the money come when the white people are giving you free? The money has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is not giving you with getting something in return. Why is this so hard for you to understand? I don’t think there is hope for you to understand how this world works. Ayy Berhe Fezaz. wake up.

    • Desbele

      Hi Semere
      ሃለውለው ኣይትበል; እቲ ጠንቂ እዚ ፍልልይ እዚ እዩ

      ኲናት ንሕንጸትን ምዕባሌን ንድሕሪት ዚጎትት ፈጺሙውን ዚዓግት፥ ብኤኮኖሚ ጥራሕ ዘይኮነ ማህበራዊ ስነ፡ልቦናዊ ፤መንፈሳዊ፤ ሰብኣዊ መዳያትውን እዚ ኪበሃል ዘይከኣል ክሳራ ዘስዕብ እዩ። እዚ ብሂል ጥራሕ ዘይኮነስ፤ብግብሪ ዝረኣናዮ ሎሚውን ካብቲ ጽልዋኡን ሃስያኡን ከይተገላገልና እንነብሮ ዘሎና ፤ ኣዝዩ ዘኽሰረና ድሕሪትውን ዘትረፈና ፍጻሜ እዩ።
      መልእኽቲ ካቶሊካውያን ጳጳሳት 2019

      ኣይኸሰርናን !ወልቀ መላኺ ኢሳያስ ኣፈወርቂ 2018

      • Nitricc

        Hi Disable; why do you care? we are not talking about your country Tigray. we are talking about Eritrea. What happened to your disgraced Simmer? hahahaha loser, go talk about your dedebit.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          Can you grow up please?

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; I don’t have to grow up to know he is chairman of the disgraced and TPLF financed Simmer and he is now a head of Digital Weyane. Now where do you find me going wrong?

        • Desbele

          Hi Nitricc,
          ካብ ዓጋመ ዘይውለድ ኣይ ጭዋን ትብል ነበረት ዓባየይ…ትግራይ ብደቡብ ኤርትራ እትርኸብ ካብ ባርነት ዘምለጡ ልዕሊ100 ሽሕ ኤርትራውያን ዝታዕቑቡላ ክልል ኢትዮጵያ እያ።
          ነቶም ዘዋፈሩካ ኣተርጉሙለይ በሎም

          • Consolation

            Hi Desbele,

            Isn’t it a fact that most of the so-called Eritreans in the camps are actually Tigrayans? The thousands of Tigrayans who migrated to the US and Europe from those camps attest to that. The Weuame are so dirty that they filled those camps with the displaced Tigrayans. Cheap!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Consolation: TPLF central committee had drown strategy in their three days conference back in 2007. The agenda was how to populate Tigryans in diaspora. They stated that Tigray is falling behind to Eritreans and Amaras. And the goal was to send as many as Tigryans pretending as Eritreans. Ever since; more Tigryans were given asylum under the name of Eritreans. it is sad when I hear some stupid people think the Tigryans are doing a fever to the Eritreans. Please. Only losers in Weyane Digital and Simmer will tell you that.

          • Desbele

            Selam Nitricc, Blink, Alex, and consolation
            “ብድሕረይ ዓጋመ ኢልኩም ከም ትሓምዩኒ ይፈልጥ እየ ከምዛ ነዛ ዓዲ ዘምጻእክዋ ከጥፈኣ እየ” ውልቀ መላኺ ኢሳያስ ኣፈወርቂ.
            ካብ መጽሓፍ ዓንደብርሃን ዝተወስደ

            እዛ ዓጋመ ;ዓጋመ እተገደፍኩም ትሕሸኩም ካልእ rejection complex ዘሳቕዮ ሰይጣን ከይተምጹልና

          • Gerogee

            Deabele

            Why not be proud of yourself? Oh, I forgot, that is right, dishonesty is in your DNA.

          • Desbele

            Gerogee,
            ቅኑዕ ወይ ዘይቅኑዕ ዝበሃል ሰብ እምበር ሕብረተሰብ የለን። ንኣብነት ውልቀ መላኪ ኢሳያስን ወይጦታቱ ከማኻን; ሓሳዳት ፤ ጸረ ህዝቢ ፋሽስታውያን እዮም። ናይ መንነት ቅልውላው እን የሳቕዮም እዩ

            ካብቶም ብዓጋመ ዝፍለጡ ተጋሩ ከኣ ቅኑዓት ብስርዓት ኢሳያስ ብድሕሪት እናተተኾሶም ቆሲሎም ናብ ዓዳቶም ንዝኣትው ኤርትራውያን ብሰብዓዊ ክንክን ኣልዮም ዘፋነው ብዙሓት ኣለዉ. ብመንነቶም ሕቡናት እዮም .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Desbele & Berhe,

            Let me say these few words if it could help you to avoid the avoidables.

            Behind the veils
            Intoxicated with hates
            Singing and rythming
            Wayane stained their mind
            No medicine no cure
            Even if they are part of who we are.

            Regards

          • Kaleb

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            I second your comment, H. L. Mencken once said “Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced”. Specially “with the two/three individuals” its difficult to make rational argument.

            Thanks,

          • Desbele

            Selam Aman,
            I totally agree and had been practicing that for long. But I sometimes enjoy when they rattle over the mention of Tigray/Agame. Dont you find it interesting? It is a well know fact their demigod DIA is originally from Tigray. For me, that doesnt make him less Eritrean. And he is not sadist because of his origin. May be a rejection complex has contributed to his iron grip on the Eritrean people.
            What I dont understand is, why do the pfdj zombies openly show us their ignorant hate against a whole people of Tigray while the very person they worship is from Tigray?
            1. Because they just hate them and think DIA is doing good job attacking them? 2. They just are cult worshipers and think they would display their loyalty to DIA by their contempt to Tigrayans? 3. Dont care or dont know about DIA’s relation to Tigray? 4. …

            It just is a moronic state of mind to deal… Good luck to Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Desbele,

            There were two words or phrases I expected to find or listen in all the despot’s official speeches. Those words are “our country” and “our people”. I have never heard him to pronounce these phrases. They are not in his vocabulary. Did you ever notice him saying these phrases by the way? Leaders, whether they hail from Democratic Government or autocratic Government, often use those phrases when they make national addresses.

          • Blink

            Dear Desbele
            If infact your grandmother was saying like that you have nothing to fear or feeling shame for being called ትግራዋይ . Anyone who isn’t Eritrean is just not Eritrean .

          • Alex

            Hi Desbele,
            You are doing a good job for digital Woyane with you bankrupt and shameful analogy that anybody that is not born from agame is not respectful attributing to your grandmother. I think is should be the other way around.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Dear Semere Tefai,
      Thank you very much for finally coming out and saying it. Eritrean government treats its citizens as enemy to be spied upon, manipulated and controlled.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Abrehet Yosief

        “Thank you very much for finally coming out and saying it. Eritrean government treats its citizens as enemy to be spied upon, manipulated and controlled.”

        1. – Wow! Where did you get that idea? When did I ever said anything about the PFDJ government spying on its citizens? Anyway…………

        2. – I hate to be the one to break this to you, but in your democratic countries of the West:

        A. – The governments have a huge database that stores personal information of each individual citizen

        B. – All personal, business and government employee’s phone and e-mail communications are listened to, read (PRN), and recorded every single second of the day.

        3. – But I’m sure you’re not going to call them Tyrants, dictators, Totalitarian governments, North Korea’s of the West……. because they are…….

        Semere Tesfai

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Semere T.

          Your arguments do not hold water. You are becoming really childish by your arguments.

          Even if that’s the case, there is an INDEPEDENT legal system that governs such access / monitoring to take place by government or the state.

          When the government does spy on its citizens as the case of NSA revealed by Edward Snowden, it was doing without the knowledge of the legislators and the media, and that’s you know about it. Because the media decided to collaborate by the whistle blowers (there is a law that protects them) in exposing the government.

          Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            “Your arguments do not hold water. You are becoming really childish by your arguments.”

            Berhe: read and comprehend before you rash to respond.

            Abrehet Yosief said – paraphrasing: the PFDJ government is dictatorial regime because it spy’s on its citizens.

            And in my response to her I said: if spying on its citizens make a government a dictatorial regime, then Western countries do spy on their citizens as well.

            Now: where is the childish argument?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Semere,

            They don’t spy on their citizens without the consent of the courts.

            That’s the difference, that’s why your argument is childish because you know the fact but you are doing it fir the sake of argument.

            Unlike the western democratic nations, the PFDJ is similar to East Germany Stasi.

            I really don’t think you actually believe in the arguments you are making. Deep inside you, I feel that you really regret and sympathize with the suffering of the ERITREAN people.

            Is that why you don’t want to answer WHY;)

            Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Berhe

            I have read Snowden book. I can assure you that not only does the US spy on its citizens. But literally the whole world. Read it. Please.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Georgee,

            Weyane is your default when you have nothing to say. What I wrote has anything to do with Weyane? When I picture you, I remember planet of the Ape.

            Don’t try to flater yourself, on PFDJ capabilities and technical sophistication and compare yourself to NSA. If PFDJ is capable of such sophetication, it would have stopped, the overnight paintings all over the city.

            From legal point of view, the fourth amendment m, the US government does not have the power to spy on its citizens without the consent of the court.

            In its simple form, what Snodow exposed was, the government got the ok to collect data on certain “security threat” but they expanded to everything.

            I think Obama tried to change that, if successful or not I am not sure.

            Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            “From legal point of view, the fourth amendment m, the US government does not have the power to spy on its citizens without the consent of the court.”

            In your opinion, if the Eritrean government asks through legal channels, and gets the consent of the Eritrean court, would you support the surveillance of the Eritrean government on its citizens?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Gerogee

            Bereh

            Woyaneti, read and comprehend. You keep replying to unrelated stuff which exposes your dedebit education.

            1. The legeletive body of just about every western country is only confined to SOCIAL ISSUES. It is a useless. The real power is in the hands of deep state. It has been for the last 100 years.

            US has been at war with the whole world for the last 100 years, easy. When the people lose the appetite for war or harrassment of other so reign nations, the deep state starts it’s fake news to push fear on to people. Example, the Iraq war comes to mind.

            1. Country target

            2. Fake media creates story

            3. Fake debate

            4. Congress “debates”

            5. Zionist lobby makes a call to each member of the Congress, if u need reelection…
            6. War…

          • Berhe Y

            Georgee Castaneza,

            We are talking spying on their own citizens.

            Listen, you keep saying weyane, weyane, why don’t you advice your evil leader to do something and eliminate them.

            20 years you are crying weyane, like a baby and can’t even lift a finger.

            Now this is your favourite part. Just because I said this “to respond to you” you found proof that I am “weyane”.

            Talk, talk and more talk and zero action. The only action IA is capable of talking is on the pure and innocent people, like dragging sick people from the clinic beds and threading pure nurse/sisters.

            Know this very well, that’s all your power, abusing people can’t defend themselves.

            Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Berhe

            PIA is was the leader of EPLF that defeated Ethiopias out of Eritrea and put your dedebit ungrateful behind in power at AIDs abeba. You will never ever will be able to change that. Sorry I cannot help you. Deal with it.

            PIA was the commander in chief when you backstabbing Woyaneti came to take ASSB.

            PIA was there When your dedebit, shortsighted Woyaneti kicked out of Aids abeba to dedebit village, cursed, barren land mekel 😀

            Sorry that is just a fact. So who is talking now. Himmm, you. Lol

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Georgee,

            If I didn’t come from propaganda school I would not have known. You see, nwedi Shuq s Wedi Edaga Arbi yifelto.

            1) I focus on IA and his PFDZ security apparatus. I don’t give him the dignity to call him president, the ERITREAN government etc. It’s isolation tactic to point the crime to him and his few circles directly.

            2) You don’t like that so you try all you can and with that you have to divert my focus and to something else. Your choices are

            a) weyane
            b) US
            c) Israel or what ever big enterprises

            3) Here you try to make me defend weyane or what ever. Listen weyane nIA yqerbuwo. They are close to him than the rest of us. So do what ever you like with them, it’s not my business.

            Berhe

          • Hope

            Selam Berhe and Abrehet:
            What Semere stayed are facts but contextually speaking though,he is comparing bad apples with good oranges.
            The major difference lies on :
            -Why and to what end the PFDJ and the Western Govts spy on their citizens.
            For the National Security Interest of their respective nations vs their one narrow interest.
            The PFDJ style is mainly for its own survival….and to control its citizens .
            The only strong institution the PFDJ REGIME has is its brutal security apparatus !
            That is where Semere Tesfay should be challenged .
            Not sure as to why he acts as he has no clue about the brutal security of the regime on its own citizens and the founders of the Political and armed struggle and top officials ,who sacrificed their lives for Eritrea and Eritreans.

          • Haile S.

            Selam ተስፋ Hope,

            By ‘bad apples with good oranges’, what you are trying to say is ይብልዎ ኢላ ድሙ ተዃሒላ kind of talk. Or you purge your gastrointestinal tract with detergent for clothes kind of thing.

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Semere Tesfai,

          Indeed the democratic countries do plenty of bad things. And you know this because they have a free society. You can comment on it here or write an essay about it wherever you want. You can join any of the institutions to try to curb the excess of the government. If you so wish you can even run for office. All systems created by man are bound to be imperfect. Men cannot create heaven on earth, but they can work together from making life hell (to paraphrase a wise man). Your government has created hell on earth for its citizens. And you are here making excuses for its inexcusable actions.

          • Blink

            Dear Abrhet
            Does it surprise you that god allowed his creature to create hell not heaven in his only place earth , what kind of god is that ? I mean the so called God and the so perfect god you try to paint has the time to think a mother give birth a kid with bone cancer .

            The fact is if even god is as you imply he is not perfectionist as humans . The so called god who is only manifested to two men from the ME is simply a lie and this lie is corrupting humans to create hell .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Blink,

            As the perfect God failed to make your mother earth perfect, why don’t you, the grandsons of BABOONS, make it heaven?

            Al-Arab

          • Blink

            Dear al arabi
            I am waiting for the flying horse and for the man who changed water to wine . Can you imagine riding the horse full of wine in your system. Which means you can cure evil filled man and send the evil soul to the bigs ? I mean how far is the moon . The baboon was living freely without meeting people created from some kind of clay. Imagine you lecturing me about your creature and how you will start you Abrahmic madness . The pops and the sheiks have hard time admitting vaccines do work .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Blink,

            Once I have read an article, in fact, I don’t remember the title of the article; however, I remember an event related to Baboons and the creation of man.

            A mother registered her child in a kindergarten. She always accompanies him to the door of their house until he boards the bus. When he comes back she might be busy, therefore she put a stool for her child to ascend and ring the bell. As a child, he has many questions which his mother has to answer. One day he asked his mother. Mum, where did all these people in the streets come from? His mother related to him the story we all know up-to her marriage from his father and brought him to this world. The child was not satisfied and when his father came from work. He asked the same question to his father. His father told him, my child, originally we were baboons, then we have changed to humans whom you see in the streets. The child has become very happy with his father’s story and immediately went to his mother very angry. Mum, why do you lie to me? My father told me our origin is from baboons. Oh, my Lord! Save me. (برء يايمة) Maybe your fathers’ ancestors are from baboons.

            Al-Arabi

          • Blink

            Dear Al arabi
            Still we have a plan to reach to the moon and Mars . We need someone who can change water to wine just like that old stories or we need someone who can pull the moon to a 1000 km distance to our reach so that my horse can take me in the morning.

            Baboons oh my poor excuse, there wasn’t a single baboon in the Deseret land unless the carpenter would have been generous to consider on his fiction of common sense. What a bizarre parents do have the kid ? His mother must be abused at small age and afraid to tell the story. I need more characters pls help .

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Blink,
            The God I believe in doesn’t need me to defend him. He has given you free will to believe what you want to believe in. Good to see you exercising it. Perhaps the strong men you believe in, but who in turn don’t believe in anything, can take a leaf from his book and allow us to believe freely.

          • Blink

            Dear Abrhet
            It is to the opposite, the religious people are the once trying to use their religious beliefs in order to bend the law . They believe man made laws must stay inferior to the so called god made old cave rules . You are free to believe in what ever makes you happy but exercising it on others is the one messing everything around this globe . I believe the religious people must admit their guilty pleasure of god and come to their senses that this earth must be for all .

    • Hope

      Selam Semere:
      You said:
      “The moral of the story: think of the imported faiths as corner stores for foreign interests and try to connect the dots.
      Now you know why they insist to give us free food, free medical services, free education, and free clothing when they have their own destitute people in need of help.”.
      Basically,you are regurgitating what the PFDJ Cadres are bluffing about.
      So the justification for the PFDJ to loot the Clinics of the Eri Catholic Church is coz the Catholic Faith and the Church are imported faiths” and are an undercover CIA agent for regime change.

      There might be some truth in to that assertion based on history of the Latin American neo-colonizaton.

      But it is only unfair and a fallacious logic to interpolate that to the Eri Catholic Experience in Eritrea.
      The message is what matters,not the messenger.

      And the BIG MESSAGE is:

      -That there is NO JUSTICE and Unity in Eritrea
      -That we need a genuine national reconciliation as a first step JUSTICE to prevail in Eritrea there by to work in UNISON and to claim what belongs to us and to compensate for our lost opportunities thereby make Eritrea the greatest,the most peaceful,the most Prosperous,the most developed,the most Democratic and the strongest nation in Africa thereby to be the best example in/for Africa and beyond.
      So,if that is the case,which is the case as to why the Eri Catholic Church is calling for a genuine reconciliation so as to achieve the above noble causes,where is the crime of the Eri Catholic Church and her Leadership for calling for such a noble cause?
      .

      • Saleh Johar

        Hope,
        Semere avoids my question, please ask him this on my behalf:
        Did our region ever have an indigenous religion that’s not imported, (leave animists alone)? I think they are all imported. So, why the attempt to make Catholicism seem like the only imported religion?

        If you ask me, the Catholic Church and the Swedish missions did in Eritrea what the other faiths combined didn’t do for the people. I can support my claim until kingdom come.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Saleh,
          Allow me to attempt answering your question. The only indigenous religion we have in Eritrea is Isayas-Afedoxy. መጽሓፍ ኢሳያስ ከምዚ ይብል፣ ኢሳያስ ዝበላ ከይረኣየን ካይሰምዐን ዝተግበረን ዝተኸላኸለላን ብጹእ እዩ። ኣብ ኢሳያስ ዘይኣምኑ ኣብ መንግስተ-ኤርትራቱ ኣይኣትዉን’ዮም። እየሱስ ክርስቶስ ኣብ ዓለም ከሎ ተጻብኦ ከምዝበዝሖ፡ ሕጂ እውን ንኢሳያስ ብኹሉ መዳይ ተጻብኦን ሽርሒትን ይበዝሖ ኣሎ። ብሕልፊ እኳ በቶም ቅድሚኡ ዝነበሩ ሃይማኖታት፡ ልክዕ ከም ሮማውያን ንእየሱስ ዝተቓወምዎ።
          እግዚኣብሔር ንእዮብ ክሳብ ክንደይ ከምዝጽመም ከምዝፈተኖ፡ ኢሳያስ እውን ንህዝቡ ክሳብ ክንደይ ከምዝጽመም ብሓሳርን ዕርቃንን መከራን ስደትን ይፍትኖ ኣሎ።

          ትምህርተ ሃይማኖት፡
          መን ፈጠረካ – ኢሳያስ
          ኢሳያስ ክንደይ ይኾኑ? – ሓደ ይኾኑ፡ ሰለስተ ይኾኑ፡ ኢሳያስ፡ የማነ፡ ሳለሕ (ዑስማን)
          ……….
          ዝተረፈ ኣመንቲ(ቱ) ቀጽልዎ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            This is a good one that explains the NNNN lots. You gave us an early morning laugh. The remaining George and Semere Tesfay will add to it, who are in the position of “ፍት-ወራሪ“ in the battle of attrition. And you know their slogan.

          • Saleh Johar

            ሃይላት,
            ናቱ ማይ ጨሎት ካብ ገበረ ገለ ሰባት ብተኣምራቱ ካብ ኣመኑ:: እንታይ ተሪፉ? ስቅ ኢልካ እመን ከይትራኸስ

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Saleh,

          Obviously, in Eritrea and Ethiopia, Catholicism is imported/planted by FOREIGNERS,

          All the other religions came to our region, the broader Middle East, by Osmosis – the process of gradual or unconscious assimilation of ideas, knowledge, etc.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Simon,

            I am just using your comment to bounce, but my reaction is to all that are hammering on the catholic church.
            A lot can be said about the damage or the advantage for that matter, that comes along the introduction anew of a religion or belief in a “virgin” area or an area where some other belief was already well established. It is very far in time and difficult to imagine what people perceived when christianity was introduced in Rome or Axum and the surprise, perhaps the disgust, the people felt at that time. Analysing such events for historical or otherwise reasons should be done on a cooler head. If we do it at this time when our tyrant is hammering on them without undeclared reason other than that courageous church’s call to him to come to reason, is just doing like the tyranny.
            On the introduction of christianity to Habeshaland, I am not sure if it was through osmosis. If we look at the 2 stone inscriptions Ezana left before and after he became a believer in one God, it looks by decree than by slow osmosis and brought by foreigners. His “pagan” inscription lists his invasion, killings and collection of booties, all done in the name (and thanks to) Mehrem. His “believer” inscription goes through similar lists of invasions, killings and booty done in the name of the “one who lives in the skies” (to use his words, እግዚኣብሔር፡ God), and thanks to him.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            Trying to adjust history to your present views is untenable. How do you choose a time in history to apply your view on? Selectively? For instance, how do you choose between 3rd 6th12th, or 19th century to be the specific time to establish your view as facts? Do you think any of the previous centuries are equally part of our psyche? I think selective timeline is not tenable in a rational environment, like among historians. It’s all about owning the narration and that is what I think you are doing. But equal citizens do not succumb to politicized narrations that easily. That’s because all religions came to our region and imposed their narrations. If we recognize that, we can prove our respect for our diverse culture. But attempts to reinvent ancient mythology to serve the present can only work with simpletons only.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            what am asking is not related with the conversation u have with simon but i just want to ask this,
            is there any same kind of ethiopian/eritrean orthodox Christian religion outside of ethiopia/eritrea ? i know about egyption, Syria, russians, india and so on have orthodox Christian.
            but am talking about Christian orthodox “tewahedo” church ?the rule of the church, the tradition of the church?
            the worshipping style and so on?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I think the Arminian Orthodox is close to geez. For example:
            1) their alphabets, not same but very similar format.
            2) their calendar: the use sane as geez colander (year date is different) but they do 30 x 12 plus pagume
            3) when I saw the movie “passion of the Christ, which was in Armenian”, I thought I recognized a lot similar words.
            4) the believe: I think they align in the believe sane as Orthodox, as Jesus being the God and the Son.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.berhe
            what r u talking about? all Christians(except Jehovah) believe in a holy trinity. believing in a holy trinity is the one makes u Christina.
            am talking about the rule, the way they worship, religious ceremony and so on, not the alphabet or calendar.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            Ok sorry if I misunderstood you. I don’t know. Perhaps I am not the best person to talk about this subject but I was thinking “miaphysitism vs monophysitism”.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.berhe
            It’s ok, i wasn’t asking for the doctrine of the religions. am asking for the similarity or sameness of ethiopia/eritrea orthodox “tewahedo” church traditions, the style of worshipping. ruls and so on with other religions out side of ethiopia/eritrea?

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            The Tewahdo church have always been evolving though it keeps a large part of its ancient beliefs and traditions. However, I am sorry I can’t give you details, but you can ask an elderly you trust, (Trust on his rational thinking and honest), what terms like “Arious” and “Kara Haymanot” mean. Also, ask about what happened in Boru Meda during Yohannes’ rule. I apologize because I am preparing an episode on that but it is still incomplete. I would rather finish my research before I give you half-backed information. I am lacking a few confirmations. Sorry.

          • Blink

            Dear teodrose
            No they don’t have independence from their home based administration system, the Ethiopian diaspora church sometimes tried to have independence but failed , the Eritreans in the diaspora tried it and failed up to now . The reason is politics of the homelands still dictates them and Still most are guided by home based rules .

          • saay7

            Selamat Simon:

            This is an interesting interpretation of the word “foreigners” and a departure from the distinction the Eritrean fronts were (wrongly) making.

            The Eritrea fronts (specifically EPLF) argument against the “modern” religions (LDS, Jehovahs Witness, Pentecostals) was that they were post-capitalist religions and since capitalism is bad for Eritrea,they had to be bad for Eritrea. This sort of logic was devoutly believed by EPLF and made it all the way to its political programs.

            Your argument is they are imposed by foreigners? How is this any different from how Orthodox Christianity and Islam spread in Eritrea? They were less efficient and took a much longer time to be absorbed? But this is a difference without distinction: they are both “foreign”*

            I don’t even know what “foreign” means in this context because in civilizations, everything is. The West Europeans are just now dealing with the shock that there is no such thing as “pure” European amalgamated as they are from African, Middle Eastern, East European (and 2% of them Neanderthal) stock.

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Good Day SAAY; where the hack have you been? I hope all is good and nice to hear from you. Reading your take, I can’t say about other religion’s origin but about Christianity, they say and I agree with it. “Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America to became an enterprise.” And moved to Africa, hahahaha, no comment. You unquestionably will be offended because it is about religion and you are an African. You know, I am sure you got my drift.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Good to see you back. Sometimes it is mind boggling when people can not debate with justifiable reasons. There is no home grown religion in Eritrea. All are exported to us at different era of human history, some early and some late.

          • Nitricc

            He Aman-H it is very interesting how you managed to get to Isaias from completely unrelated a subject of religion. LOl I am not a shrink but that would be the definition of obsession. Take it easy, Isaias will be gone on due time, he is not going to live for ever unlike the poisonous religion.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,

            IA is omnipresent. Where two Eritreans meet, he is their third in thought and preoccupation. Isn’t that the reason every Eritrean is saying ይኣክል! እጅ እጅ ኣለን! On en a marre!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Haile; I got you! and my point is if

            Isn’t that the reason every Eritrean is saying ይኣክል! እጅ እጅ ኣለን!

            Realign is far more oppressive, despotic and right down evil. how come the people never say enough to religion? that is were I was getting at.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,

            Religious belief is always on something invisible. The difference between believing in something invisible/dead and on an oppressing living tyrant is like the distance between heaven(skies) and earth.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Haile; hahahaha I know. I was trying to irritate the religious thugs in this forum and you ruined it, thanks Haile. : – )

          • Haile S.

            Nitricc,
            What do you loose by saying religious people instead of ‘religious thugs’?

          • Nitricc

            Haile; Because I am don’t pretend like you are now? I say whatever I wanted to say it. I hate politically correctness that is fake people. that is all.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hello Nitricc,
            Back home, in our tradition, we had a word for “political correctness”. It is called Decency, I hope some of it has survived the PFDJ onslaught. And decency determines your value in a society. The indecent are considered “thugs” and despised by the society. Decency is also a sign of a good character, a sign of a civilized person.

            As for “religious thugs”, would you honestly say they are worse that the “irreligious brutes”? A thug and a brute is just that whether religious or irreligious. Don’t you agree?

          • Nitricc

            Back home, in our tradition, we had a word for “political correctness”. It is called Decency,

            Hey SJ; at the risk of aggravating you, I disagree with your take. It looks to me, you have confused the fine distinction between moral and social decency. I declare to possess moral decency while I detest the social one. So, what you are asserting, to my understanding is that political correctness of today used to be the decency of yesterday. I am not disputing your claim, however; what I am saying is those two are very different in their nature. Social decency is simply conforming what the society deem it right or wrong while Moral decency is simply stating the truth that emanates from the reality on the ground, regardless what the society’s acceptable standards are. Equipped with moral decency, I may point you to a person and tell he is a homeless person and
            you might shoot back with typical social decency, No, he is “temporary displaced”. Did you see the difference? The moral of the story….. “Social decency might swallow their politically incorrect words, they will not abandon the feelings that motivated them. Instead, they will hold those feelings inside to fester and become even more toxic and harmful to destroy society” Very true!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitric,
            I know. It’s not often that people admit mistake. I didn’t expect anything more than what you wrote.

            In such instances, it is better to keep it simple, but you insist on trivializing it. Let’s replace Decency with Nice, or good behavior (please don’t say it is relative). Being Nice is very clear, it is not complicated. Trying to justify it is vain. You can’t give it two explanations– as social nicety and moral nicety. The same applies to being respectful. You are either respectful or rude (indecent). Just saying it convince you to reflect. We do not need to continue this self evident argument.

          • Nitricc

            Hi SJ. it wasn’t an argument. You comment and I commented back. Why it got to be an argument? You gave your opinion and I responded with mine. there is no right and wrong on this one, it is an opinion, not self evident at all.

          • iSem

            Nitrrircc:
            you said:” t is very interesting how you managed to get to Isaias from completely unrelated a subject of religion. LOl …”
            Becarful when you are among multi-celled awatistat.
            The reason it is confusing you is because you are ignorant even about the tryannical group ypu support. Isaias has written on teh EPLF program that only Orthodox, Catholic and Protestants will be allowed in free Eritrea an Johova and Pente are western religions and will not be allowed. ALso said Islam is allowed, but does not mention the different flavours of islam, Ansar al Sunna Wuhabbi, Sunni, Shiia etc

          • Blink

            Dear Nitricc
            It is the amount of hate that push some people to be out of their mind. Remember EPLF never explained a single policy about new religious comers . They were asked to register and also state their financial backers, yet these small religious lunatics refused to submit the answers for the questions given by that time state structure. They stated “ we don’t believe in Eritrea they believed their so called god will save them and when the arrest time come to their door they cry like babies.

            Religious institutions has a very dark history for example their building block was harassing innocent people including the participation of some Roman Catholic priests in the Rwandan genocide and the vast network of organisations and individuals that are associated with Al Qaeda and ISIS that led to the bombings of children and old people as well.

            The pente That saay tried to make a point were testing the new independent Eritrea and if you compare the price of independence and the cry of pente and other religious lunatics, well be it .

            By the way don’t imagine these crying fool are Human rights guardians because these people are not . Most of them are their religious apologists and few of them are just blabbering for the sake of political expedience. EPLF didn’t talk about any religious views but they certainly don’t allowed a foreign financed political Pente or Islam that was the case for their arrest in Asmera and Keren respectively.

            When ever I see religious person or an apologist of them crying I feel giving them more chilli power to their raining eyes .

          • Nitricc

            Hey Blink: I agree with what you saying. It is amazing how the religious thugs concealed behind their hate to PFDJ. If the hate and distaste of PFDJ that is their right to do so but what drives me to no point is when they use religion to their political agenda. For instance; take Hope, by Eritrean opposition’s standard; he is the most progressive and reasonable anti Eritrean government individual. Once his religion was the subject, he abandoned all his courteousness alongside his virtue. If everyone has to deal with their religion for themselves, I have no problem. The problem arises when they start wedging my religion is better than yours BS. I truly believe if Eritrea to progress then there is no choice but to keep religion in check. If not, I see the war of religion engulfing Eritrea that originates from Tigray and Sudan. In witch Eritrea becomes the war ground; No joke!!! The moral of the story is..
            “I’m completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together are certain death.”

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay, Simon and all,

            When it comes to Orthodox Christianity and Islam, I think I tend to agree with Simon, that they were introduced by people from Middle East but they were adapted and grew naturally, as those religion were growning in the origin of their region. In other words they were adapted and grew together at the same time in the place of origin.

            In Christianity for example, if it’s true that it was introduced by Frumentius in 331 AD. In this was this not the case where the religion was growing at the same time with rest of Europe and the Roman Empire. Didn’t the council of Nivea happened at 325 AD, to establish in the Roman Empire which seems, it predates in our region.

            In Islam also, if it’s true that Muslims arrived in our region during the Hijarat as early disciples from Mecca, where at a time where it’s being adopted and spread in the Middle East.

            In both cases the introduction of there religion, happened naturally(or even accidentally) where there was no higher authority/ state that set the spread in motion with purpose and mission.

            By no means that I saying this not in support of political tool of EPLF/PFDJ but for stating the fact as I understand them. I personally pride (as I understands it) the fact that there is no significant historical conflict of religion in our region (Eritrea / Ethiopia) I think is because the people have adapted it in its natural way for centuries and they have understood and resorted their differences and lived together.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Which authority enforced Jehova, Protestant (all the branches of it) or all other than the two? Can you tell us the specific authority that impose them to our society? Sometimes, it is dangerous to argue without knowing the history of their introduction to our society?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            Obviously you are picking on point of argument that you I think you are missing the points I am trying to make. I don’t think I said enforced (you are implying forced upon without the consent of).

            How the Johova, Protestant, Catholic where introduced in Eritrea, I do not know but I don’t beileve it’s the same as Islam and Christianity the way it spread in our region. The main difference is, these religion were already established in their country of origin (Catholic in Rome as example).

            There is no contradiction as far as I know when it comes to Islam and Orthodox Christian. They developed and grew in their natural way without anyone body else funding or establishing the churches.

            When I say higher authority, what I meant governments or established religion institution that commission to spread their church and believes. For example, the Ethiopian Orthodox during HS expanded and spread in Western Hemisphere by Abuja Yesehaq specially in the Caribbean under the commission of the Ethiopian government / Church.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Read your “third paragraph” in your comment and add Simon’s comment to it for which you agreed upon. Now there is no misunderstanding on my side, unless you mis-state your statement. Here is how: if there were no ‘higher authority or state’ that spread “Islam and orthodox”, it means there was “higher authority or state” for the others. Otherwise the terms “authority or state” can not be pronounced if you don’t want to contrast the two with the others.

            Second, you agree the importation of them as oppose to the two. My friend orthodox was imported in the 4th century by a Syrian captive to the Habesha land and the first converts were Ezana & his sibling Saizana. Islam was spread from east, south, and North of the Habesha land by the followers of Mohamed. The other religions are spread by missionaries through the Eastern gates of the Red Sea and not by authority or states. All Eritrean religions are exported religion to our land.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            If you see and meet someone from Lebanon and he tells you, he is Othodox Christian or a Sunni Muslim. Do you tell him his religion was imported from Saudi Arabia or from Syria.

            I am using Lebanese guy as an example because if the close proximity.

            Weather the Syrian priest was held captive or he stayed upon his wish, I am not going to argue, as I don’t know. But if he was captive, why then he returned?

            Just because I agree with Simon on the way he described the religion grew, it does not mean I support his counter argument.
            Did he said forced? I don’t know. You have not corrected yourself for what I said, you indicated I said.

            If you notice I said our region, I didn’t use specific country based on today’s world. My believe is our region, due to its close proximity to the Middle East, those religions grew with it and were not imported.

            I don’t know about the other churches to say this or that how they come. Let me ask you if you, who build the Protestant and Catholic Churches in Eritrea? Who finiance them? Now compare that to the Orthodox Churches and the Mosques?

            I am asking because I don’t know.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            You can keep your argument as far as you want to be anti historical. Just to make one point before I make a closure to my argument. Suppose I imported goods from Saudi Arabia as well as from Italy. Based on your argument, can we say the goods imported from Italy similar to the “Catholic Church” is imported, but the goods imported from Saudi Arabia isn’t because of its close proximity to our country?

            ንዓባ’ታ በርሄ እንታይ ከተስመዓና ኢኻ?ሕሰበሉ ደኣ:: This is not an argument by all accounts. If you don’t know the others you can’t compare and contrast them. With that I close my case

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            That’s certainly one way to look at what I was trying to say. Off course goods are not the same as humans.

            SGJ and Haile where making a lot of reference / similarities between geez and Arabic.

            If you at language (similar to the religion argument I am making), yes one can certainly make an argument Arabic is a lot closer to Geez/ Tigrinya than Italian.

            It’s ok you want to close this argument, but I hope you answered my question in terms of who build the churches (Protestant / Catholic) in Eritrea?

            But I am ok if you want to stop this discussion.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Berhe,

            Regarding the history of Protestant in Eritrea, It is better to refer you to Pastor Ezra G/Medhin’s book. Because, you keep branching the argument without settling the first one. I was tackling your unhistoric argument and you can’t stick with the origin of your statements. Know the history of the churches first to make a sound argument.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            If you don’t want to continue that’s fine but it does not mean that I wanted to branch out to other argument without settling the first. In my opinion I did and I have.

            Christianity and Islam was growing in our region, at the same time and rate it was growing in the origin of its place. If you don’t disagree that’s fine but that’s my understanding.

            “Know your history” is not the best way to teach someone who doesn’t know. Sure when I get s hold of the book I will read. I don’t know why I have to read a book if you know the answer or that you don’t know yourself as well. But since you are recommending the I am assuming that you have read it and I don’t know why you can’t say yourself making a reference.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            the orthodox tewahdo, Judaism and Islam culture is not imported from a total different cultures from outside, it is indigenous culture for ethiopia and eritrea.
            jews of ethiopia didn’t import Judaism from Israel, they r part of the broader culture of Israel themselves. agazian(geez speakers traces their ancestors from the present day Yemen, oman, Saud Arabia.
            U can see the similarity between traditional “kasse”(priest) school of ethiopia with that of Islamic “medresah” , two different religions but identical traditional schools. the similarity of traditional dress and so on .

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Ustaz Saleh,

            Welcome back to your hometown, sorry, I mean home-site.

            If the origin is from Adam and Eve or monkeys from a certain location of the world, then all the peoples around the world are exported commodities from the homeland of Adam and Eve or the monkeys who had converted to human beings.

            Al-Arabi

          • iSem

            Selamat Saay: I am not saying welcome, cus you have not come back yet;-)
            As far as I can tell even the religion of PFDj, Isaisism has not been invented in Eritrea, it has been imported and implemented, yes even the cruelty of PFDJ
            All human creations and inventions are interconnected as you said about YG’s K-Factor, along the lines of: a scientist in England theorizes one thing and one day an engineer tinkering with his bath tab in Torino make the connection….
            And since the three men from the Middle East: Moses, Jesus and Mohammed
            The same argument with th jeberti identity and when people (Tigrayit and Tigrinya speakers) say that they are not standalone ethnic group, I remind them that they may not have been long time ago, but they are evolving to be one in front of our eyes: their language, their attire, their religion and above all their feelings. The issue of, it is new is troublesome, in the same logic, Eritrea does not have right to exist as it is new only 150 years old, but the Eritrean identity has gelled as I liked to call it. Where are the phoenicians, the Assyrians, the Medenites, etc, ?
            So the Eritrean religions may not have been created in Eritrea, some of them may have arrived early, but they all are Erirean religions and for EPLF’s National Program to target JT and Pente, they have conveniently saved IA’s religion as Pente is a sect of Protentan In Eritrea it is all arbitrary like the things they do, arrest, kill etc.
            And it does not surprise me if PFDJ and their supporters say or do so, but even among those who rightly hate PFDJ, the issue of bigotry and ignorance is mind boggling and I am tired of it
            The English identity and English language did not exist about 1200 years ago, but after the Anglos invaded the celtic and geilic people of the Britons, then Saxons, then Vigkings etc, then the Romans, the English language comes from German (30%) of it, hence the Anglo (Engleze) and the celtics now is extinct to have been amalgamated to the present Britain formerly Briton, whose roots come from a dark skinned hunter gathers 10, 000 years ago
            While our Ethiopian brothers want to remind us of their 3000 history of Judaism, they forget Bilal, the Ethiopian slave who first announced the Ezan (call to prayers), but was he Ethiopian just dark skinned? i say the later, but the logic should be applied to every reference, Queen Sheba, and Sephora;-)

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam saay7

            “The Eritrea fronts (specifically EPLF) argument against the “modern” religions (LDS, Jehovahs Witness, Pentecostals) was that they were post-capitalist religions and since capitalism is bad for Eritrea,they had to be bad for Eritrea.”

            1. – I know you always try to degrade and to trash the unified Gedli thinking and Gedli’s leading thinkers. I suppose, somehow that makes you feel more important and more intelligent above and beyond the Gedli leading thinkers.
            But anyway – at some point in my Gedli life, I was assigned to do political teachings to Tegadelis and Gebar (to fighters and civilians). And by your own admission, you never served a single day in Gedli. And here you’re trying teach us what Gedli’s Political Teaching was with regard to religion and politics – ብደውና ከለና፡ ሰውራዊ ፖሊቲካዊ ትምህርቲ ከመይ ከምዝነበረ ትምህረና ኣለኻ) – as the Tigrigna saying goes: ደረቐኛ ጓልሲ: ነዲኣ ሕርሲ ተላምዳ – ከም ዝበሃል. Anyway………

            2. – Gedli’s teaching with regard to religious politics was very straight forward, and for the most part very consistent, and very clear. And it says: ባዕዳውያንን ገዛእቲ፡ ንሃይማኖታዊ ዓሌታዊ ኣውራጃዊ ፍልልያት ኣህዛብ ከም መሳርሒ ተጠቒሞም፡ ዕድመ ግዝኣቶም ዘናውሕሉን ዘውሕስሉን ሜላ እዩ። Case in point: Listen to Osman Abdelrehim’s 1975 Song

            3. – One of the commonly used examples (of religion as a tool of suppression during the Gedli years political teachings) was, Haileselassie’s use of the Orthodox Tewahdo church, to suppress people and faiths outside the Orthodox Tewahdo Church. Here there was never pre and post capitalism arguments of religion – in ELF or EPLF that I know of or heard of.

            4. – During pre capitalism, for the most part, military forces for a given faith spread and empowered their faith for spiritual reasons – mainly to spread and empower the words of God. But post capitalism, forces for a given faith spread and empowered their faith (new or old religious faith), for a given nations political cultural economic security military dominance, and for controlling a strategic trading location or for controlling a given country’s (region’s) rich natural resources.

            5. – Today, all imported faiths from the West and from the Middle-East (new and old religious faiths), yes all the imposed faiths under the pretext of freedom of religion, and all the “free” services (education, medical, food, clothing) they provide, are not for Godly purposes. They are for intelligence gathering purposes, for corrupting local leaders, for cultural wars ……. all to serve the economic and political interest of a given nation.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere Tesfay,

            Not only the Gebar are taught about the policy of the organizations on religion, they had also access to the literature of the organizations. So you can’t claim that you know more about the policy of the organization than him. You don’t have to serve in the ghedli to know the political teaching of the organizations. Myself, I was well aware about the political teaching of the organization before I join it. I was distributing their literature in Addis. So haw Semere, he might know it by being exposed to their literatures. Do not argue by assumption. Knowing the political culture of the organizations, he might also argue well against those political orientation. Just argue, he might be possibly more knowledgeable than yourself. I guarantee you Saleh knew well as to the political culture of the organization.

          • iSem

            Hi Semere:
            I will just address one thing or maybe two things from this post.
            Ghedli thinkers? Can you enlighten us on the so called Ghedli thinkers?
            And can you tell me one theory that was created iin Eritrea by the Ghedli thinkers that infomed Eritrean critical thinking let alone the world at large.
            On not spending day in Ghedli, I do not know about Saay, but an accomplishment.
            You are still regugurating the cadre crab, imported and borrowed, why do not you prevent your kids from learning Medicine, which is knowledge that is imported and not developed in Eritrea or stop driving cars, or use cell phones

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Semere,
            As you know, there were many conflicting views and ideologies during the struggle era. As I know it, there was no single ideology ruling the Ghedli (with exception of what was imposed–and combatants just followed because they do not know anything else, or just ignored the squabbles eyeing the final destination, which was simply to get rid of the enemy and live in peace, with no common ideology. But we cannot deny the anti-religion orientation in all the fronts given the adopted (fashionable) ideology, which was Marxist Leninist literature based.

            Your claim there is a Gedli thinking surprised me. Can you quote any work that articulated Gedli thinking in the right meaning of the topic, original thoughts?

            Personally I can say there were some glowing lights of enlightenment in the persons of Ibrahim Sultan (the emancipator) Ras Tessema (the unifioert) Kebire (the organizer) and a few others. In terms of “thinking” Mohammed Said Naud who articulated the vision of future Eritrea and how to organize it (influenced by the world situation of the era, and by the Communist Party of Sudan, where he lived in exile. There was Sabbe, the uncontested author and translators of varied knowledge, particularly on geography, sociology and history. In the last leg of the struggle, we had a few poets, writes–like Sekab, Alemseghed, a few others. You can count all those we can . get close to thinkers in the fingers of two hands. Apart from that, if there were thinking attempts, they were buried in infancy. The proof is that we have nothing to show for it now.

            In short, the entire Gedli experience was focused on liberating the people (and land) and establishing justice–nothing else of any weight. WE as a nation are poor when it comes to producing thinkers. Therefore, we must humble ourselves and accept our backwardness as a nation and that has produced brutes for rulers.

            In fact, what we can boast about now is produced from all parts of the world. Eritrea is just a prison with no breathing space let alone developing our thinking faculty.

          • iSem

            Hi Abu Salah:
            Do you mean Almesghed Tesfay by “Alemseghed”. A thinker is someone who strives to find truth and this guy is the one who wrote Wedi Hadera kab Badme NSahel. Have you read the book. So remove him from the list of the likes of Sultan and Kebiter and Nauda
            And who is Sekab, I think I am sekibe aleku;-)

          • Saleh Johar

            iSem,
            I have read Wedi Hadera and wrote a harsh critique of that culture–but the author wrote it and he can’t be blamed for documenting about the dark side . I mentioned Alemseghed as an author (a good one )I did say he was a thinker.

            Sekab, gthe late Mahmoud Sekab was a poet who didn’t live long. But his poems inspired many during the struggle era.

            The comment was not exhaustive, it should be read in the context of a reply

          • Peace!

            Hi Semere,

            The obvious question would be where is it when the country desperately needs a return of its investment if there was material enough to make a difference at this critical time. Or, perhaps it was deceptive and useless to the extent the country is now at the mercy of thugs with ኣጏል ( as in a bad egg) ሓንጎል.

            Peace!

          • Desbele

            Hi Semere,
            Thinkers never burn books ! ኣያይ ዝበለኻ ትሕንጽጽ ኔርካስ Thinker ነይረ ክትብለና ?!
            “In 1976 by the order of EPLF leaders all the literature translated from Marxist works in to Tigrigna by Goitom Berhe (Bitsay), was burnt . Goitom Berhe (bitsay), was a law graduate of Addis Ababa. Goitom and his groups became target for “radicalism “and many of them were executed between 1976 and 1980s.”

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            Wouldn’t you say PFDology is a sort of a foreign sect imposed on Eritreans?

          • saay7

            Hala Abu Salah:

            You and I disagree on this: there is no such thing called PFDJ ideology. There is only Isaiaism:)

            But I agree with your larger point: everything the “party” represents—-from its yellow-star adorned emblem down to every platitude it spouts—is foreign. More foreign than anything that the “post-capitalism”/“post-imperialism” religions are accused of. I am not following who said what on this thread but one need not have served in the armed struggle to know what they believed (particularly EPLF) because it had lots of magazines where it espoused its anti-religious Stalinist drivel. The same drivel that has brought utter ruin to Eritrea as it has in every country it is as tried.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            I got you covered. There was no sophisticated secrets but those who aspired to join the Labor Party, or were given word of their candidacy, were convinced to think of it as a sophisticated undertaking when it was simply a sort of secretive UQUB. That was the so-called thinking powerhouse–chru bAqma tHugom. And what you said is no secret, though the cadres and their mentors thought so. There is nothing you do not know except a few details based on who was where. I know you won’t, but have pity on those who boast of special knowledge–the only boasting I accept is action for the entire Gedli was characterized by valor and gallantry. Thinking none-sense is just a lie.

            NB: The difference between Isaias and PFDJ is not important, the days will prove one of us right or wrong.

          • saay7

            Hala Abu Salah,

            No worries, friend, I really do discount heavily some people (if I read them at all) because I have concluded that some people are just order-followers: they were just as likely to have been order-followers of one group or another: it was just an accident that they ended up in our revolution, and you can tell this by how willingly and enthusiastically they betray its main goal: justice.

            On the secret parties, I think you might want to read (if you haven’t already) Dan Connell’s “Inside The EPLF: The Origins of the People’s Party & Its Role in the Liberation of Eritrea.” Give the way it was birthed–from conflict and a sense of persecution–it took the role of the secret party perhaps a little more seriously than the ELF’s Labor Party.

            Why I got into this discussion was because I consider Simon to be quite different (I mean that as a compliment) from the boilerplate socialist sloganeers. Yet, he somehow bought into the argument that some religions are more Eritrean than others because they are organic. You can trace a straight line from EPLF (in its first congress in 1977) saying that it is for “Strictly oppose all the imperialist‐created new counter‐revolutionary faiths, such as Jehovas’ Witness, PenteCostal, Bahai, ‐‐etc.” (under the Orwellian chapter of “RESPECT FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND FAITH” no less) to its 1994 decision to revoke (as if it is a f$%ing visa) the citizenship of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the collective silence of the people, which emboldened it to do ever crazier things: search for Bible and Korans (and punish severely when found) Korans and Bibles at Sawa High School (from 16 & 17 year olds separated from their parents looking for comfort anywhere) to embezzling the property of the Catholic Church Clinics in broad daylight, like a gangster.

            saay

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Semere T.,

      The whole purpose of foreign churches is mind control.

      Advanced nations rarely use the methods you described for spying. These days they use communications code breaking.

      On investment as a tool for spying and control, China is very dangerous. In the West, they use various tactics to steal cutting edge Western technology. In developing countries they use loans and debts as tools for controlling poor countries’ infrastructures.

  • Gerogee

    Hi all

    I’m thinking the Catholic Church may have used its resources, for example is copy machine to print anti-government leaflets. Graffiti painting spray may have been imported in Disguise of Medicine. It may have use this facility for subversive action. I’m have used its vehicles to transport leaflets.

    • Yohannes Zerai

      Selam Gerogee,

      You are wallowing in a “may be/may have” world of your own imagining things the way you would like them to be — the good and the bad that you contrive. Most people are agonizing on behalf of their suffering people and their wounded nation in an “is” or “real” world witnessing things the way they are and as they appear on the ground for all to see. It is hard to believe that both worlds have been endowed with their respective denizens — Never mind the fact that the few who reside in the former do indeed lead a dreary, solitary existence!!

      • Haile S.

        Selam Yohannes & all,

        During the Dergue (ደርግ) period in Eritrea, it was a crime for an individual to possess a private typewriter. If you were found with one, you risked your life because you will be immediately accused as having something with the pamphlets that were getting distributed throughout the cities and towns. As per PFDJ apologists idea, painting, brush & spray, may be cellphone tomorrow, are being considered in the service of “subversive action”, thus possessing them makes you as guilty as during the Dergue time. PFDJ apologists overbidding PFDJ itself!

        • Yohannes Zerai

          Selam Hailat,

          Yes, it is the same evil strategy that has brought (and continues to bring) pain and misery to tens of thousands of innocent citizens and their families — victimizing people based on suspicion, hearsay and outright fabrication. The objective being to stifle independent thinking and to blunt the drive for democratic change, the regime and its agents will target — for elimination — citizens who are astute observers, great thinkers and knowledgeable, dedicated personalities as well as those old timers & insiders who know so much about the gangs of the Mafia Group and their dark history.

          Isaias and his agents will continue, until their last breath, to defame and label these national assets as “traitors”, “spies”, “woyane agents”, etc., etc., as a fabricated pretext for sending them to the PFDJ Gallows! But, the gathering storm of the “Struggle for Justice and Democratic Change” will soon STOP these criminals in their tracks by sucking the air out of their lungs!!

          Thank you

          • Haile S.

            Selam Yohannes,

            Yes I agree “Isaias and his agents will continue, until their last breath, to defame and label these national assets as “traitors”…”
            What is paralysing Eritrea from any movement forward is the paranoia of vulnerability & victim mentality. Our paranoiac regime thinks, it is the only righteous one that is getting hunted by all superpowers including UFOs. It sees agents everywhere, modernity & civilization are agents & deception. If the regime is to live a little more years, Eritrea will make the million years back to Homo-erectus period in just decades.
            Instead of fighting these illusive enemies by strengthening Eritrean social cohesion & empowering the young, it never stops from mutilating the country. Knowing our regime, NO one needs to send agents and deception to Eritrea. The regime is getting weakened & deceived by its paranoiac self. The sad part is those sympathetic to this regime, instead of trying to dissuade it even criticize or abandon it, they try to lubricate the regime by finding reasons & explanation for the blunder that the regime commits and always abstains from explaining itself. To them, there is always a very acceptable reason for the wrongdoing of the regime that themselves in private admit is not acceptable. They wait untill the 11th hour for the circular “explaining” the regime’s weird measure to arrive. When the orthodox patriarch was demoted and detained, months following the growing unhappiness of adherents, a circular came through the pro-regime religious leaders to the pro-regime church adherents and activists “explaining” the reason for the freezing of the patriarch. Similarly now, days after its apologist’s attempt to explain the unexplainable through their personal suspicions, the regime will come with its usual circular to its adherents telling the cause of its measures. Perhaps the circular is already out and what we are hearing are pieces of it.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selam Hailat,

            Your comment makes an important factual observation:

            Knowing our regime, NO one needs to send agents and deception to Eritrea. The regime is getting weakened & deceived by its paranoiac self.

            Those words incapsulate the facts of the matter as they are!

            But the supporters of the system continue to delude themselves; some by believing (because they don’t know any better), others by pretending (because they are dishonest) that the U.S., the West, the UN — the whole world, for that matter — have spied on and plotted/conspired against Eritrea for nearly 30 years to sabotage the country and to bring about regime change! But, the supporters say, “THE WORLD totally failed in its subversive mission because of Isaias’s invincibility and superb leadership, and because of PFDJ’s unparalleled political dexterity and its diplomatic ingenuity.” Oh, Lord have mercy on them!!

            If these blind followers had any semblance of rationality in their thinking, they would have long realized that — even assuming that the world has a “unified hostile” intentions towards Eritrea — it would not waste its time, energy and resources when Isaias and PFDJ have already been doing a job of destroying Eritrea that is more thorough and complete than what the most vile enemy would ever hope for!!!

            Thank you

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Yohannese Zerai,

            As we all know, humanitarian organizations banned from functioning in Eritrea from the nineties of the last century. I guess the present confiscations of the Church charity foundations are a kind of punishment to return to their senses and support Isaias to let them continue with the privileges he has given them in the past.

            Al-Arabi

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selamat Hameed,

            No, I don’t think so. There has not been a single privilege that the tyrannical regime in Eritrea has granted to any of the religious institutions in the country – Islam or any of the Christian denominations — in good times or bad. What it has done in the course of the last 28 years is it has: (a) systematically eroded the privileges that these institutions had enjoyed even under the country’s rule by foreign powers and (b) relentlessly persecuted their clerics (and even adherents) in order to weaken the institutions and undercut the following they once had in the country.

            The regime is not known for having ever engaged in appeasing any sector/segment of the Eritrean public regardless of their status, realities or demands. Such a pragmatic approach is simply not compatible with the regime’s evil nature. Rather, its trademark stance on any political, social and economic issues consists of confrontation, intimidation, persecution, confiscation, arrests and disappearances. What it is doing to the Catholic Church today is, therefore, simply a continuation of its hostile and destructive “policy”, and is really not any different than what it did to other social groups in the country.

            Thank you.

          • Nitricc

            others by pretending (because they are dishonest) that the U.S., the West, the UN — the whole world, for that matter — have spied on and plotted/conspired against Eritrea for nearly 30 years to sabotage the country and to bring about regime change! But, the supporters say, “THE WORLD totally failed in its subversive mission because of Isaias’s invincibility and superb leadership, and because of PFDJ’s unparalleled political dexterity and its diplomatic ingenuity.”

            You sound very digital weyane but to answer your question; Yes! To you, the war it didn’t matter. To you, the sanction it didn’t matter. To you, the strategy of no war no peace that was designed to make Eritrea in to anther Somalia didn’t matter. To you, the plan of Melles, Bashir and Yemen suffocate and kill Eritrea didn’t matter. The lists go on. But for, you must do your job, the duty of digital Weyane at its best. Dude, you are not fooling no one. If not, for new country who come out after 30 years of war, you could have understood what that nation went through and the way it survived but NOO, you are in digging and serving your filthy weyane.Shame on you. Oh by the way; I rather be blind follower that blind hater like you.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Nitricc,

            Quote: If not, for new country who come out after 30 years of war,

            I wonder when will you be matured, in other words – a full-blown grown man/woman? If you don’t mind it, would you specify after how many years you will be teenagers?

            Al-Arabi

          • Nitricc

            I rather be teenager than stupid.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Ahlan Nitricc,

            Before 30 years, you were babies and after 30 years you are still the same, babies. Even stupidity fails to describe you and your uncles. You are the guys who fatigued the physicians who medicate.

            Al-Arabi

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hameed,

            This Nitricc guy reminds me one of the “teenage mutant ninja turtles”. He never grows up.

            The absurdity of these regime is limitless. The whole country is littered with ዙር ፈንቅል፡ ሳዋ አይንወረድን and they are preparing to celebrate the establishment of Sawa 25 years anniversary.

            There is no institution that’s most hated in Eritrea by Eritreans but yet, they see this as great achievement that’s worth celebration.

            Off course they have nothing else to show in the last 28 years that they build. No hospitals, no university, no tourism resorts, just military enslavement camp.

            Check out Falfasa blog about Sawa in both Tigre and Tigrina. He is simply brilliant.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; we all know that you are one a kind of Fezaz and Dunzuz but who would have thought you suck to Arabs? So much sucking You lips must blooding. disgraceful.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Nitricc,
            Are you a racist? Do you get mad when people treat you based on your race? Deep inside, do you think you are better than any other human being because you belong to a specific race? Can one be racist against one race and not be considered a racist when he is racist to others? What are your values when it comes to being prejudiced against specific races? Do you think being racist against Tgrawot and Arabs absolves you of racism?

            I do not necessarily need your answer to the above, but if you can’t answer in a cool manner after you contemplate, I am hoping you will think about it.

            Cheers

          • Nitricc

            Hey SJ; I have no idea what promoted you to ask such questions but regardless I am answering anyways. The big question is, what is the trigger made you to ask? and I will make my assumption at the end, after I answer.
            Q) Are you a racist?
            A) No!
            Q) Do you get mad when people treat you based on your race?
            A) I am not sure; I have never experienced it. No one ever treated me based on my race. But I think it would motivate me rather than being mad. Just the way I am wired.
            Q) Deep inside, do you think you are better than any other human being because you belong to a specific race?
            A) No, I believe in humanity. No one is better than anyone due to their race.
            Q) Can one be racist against one race and not be considered a racist when he is racist to others?
            A) No! Once you are racist against any one, then, you are nothing but a racist. The end of story!
            Q) What are your values when it comes to being prejudiced against specific races?
            A) I am huge believer and firmly guided by Meritocratic principals. I don’t care where you from and who you are as long as you are
            talented, motivated and educational achievements, you are in. In my line of work, I am involved with hundreds of people to various projects and positions and I do so strictly under the Meritocratic principals. When you truly believe in the Meritocracy system, then, you become blind to the race factor.
            Q) Do you think being racist against Tgrawot and Arabs absolves you of racism?
            A) If one is racist, just is racist. There is no other way out. If you are speculating that I am racist against Arabs and Tigryans; well I am not and you will be wrong.
            My Assumptions ****Now I have answered your question; I am assuming the trigger point for your questions are with what I said to Berhe. When I told Berhe has reduced in to sucking to Arabs, you thought I was talking about the entire Arabs but I was talking about the confused individual nick named Al-Arabi. I should
            have made it clearer.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Say what?

          • Gerogee

            YZ

            Salute, it’s the rule. I am moderating today.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Selam Gerogee,

            You caught me there! I stand corrected.

    • Hope

      Georgee:
      Get your facts straightened out,cheap and ill-informed DUDE.
      As a Newborn YPFDJ,you have NO moral ground to debate with those kind of Eritreans in the way you have been doing it.

      Is that the new PFDJ propaganda manual/Digital PFDJ told you?

      You’re dealing with well informed and well trained and well educated and well experienced Eri Politicians,Intellectuals,Professionals and Veterans of all Generations.
      The only thing I know about you lying about is tat the Catholic Printing Press might have printed the Pastoral Letter of the Eri Catholic Bishops,titled “Hawikha Abey Allo”…Where is your brother”,which it has a LEGITIMATE right to do.

      • Gerogee

        Hope

        Which hope am I taking to today?

        Hope the….

        1. Ethiopian

        2. GONDERE

        3. KEREN BORN CATHOLIC

        4. MED STUDENT

        Which one is it? You flip flop so much it is hard to keep up with u. Make up your hopeless mind lol…

        Anyway, learn to comprehend. Reread what I posted. You fake azz

        • Hope

          Georgee the Newborn YPFDJ
          All of the above.
          SaEnikha MaAre egrikha.
          Anjal-Hangquel derho Akmikha filet.

          • Gerogee

            Hope

            I am a superior being. You no match to me. I will break it down to you soon. Stay tuned.

        • Hope

          The New Born YPFDJ Georgee :
          I tried to go under-cover to save myself form the PFDJ ‘s Long -armed Brutal and deadly Security Network,but hey,time to speak up and hit back full blown.
          Enough is Enough.
          To your DISMAY,,as I told Al Arabi,YES:…
          I am wedi KerenTsaida and Wed Abay Gash Barca unspoiled and ORIGINA Eritrean and a hybrid of the typical and original Eritreans(Tigre,Blin and a little bit from Himbirti and a Hybrid of Muslims and Christians as well).
          Classic kerenite(listen to Mehir/Ustaz Al’Amin Abduletif’s song about keren and kerenites “….keren,keren,Wo Keren..Ad meshakinnta–Islemayu wo kistenyu-misil ib’heber le’nebbir…

          -I am the son of the original ELFItes and EPLFites…inspired and recruited at age 7 along with my own father….

          -I was trained and nourished by none but the Catholic Church of Eritrea—,which helped me to score the HIGHEST ESLCE score (The Ethiopian School Leaving Certificate/Matriculation)thereby getting the HIGHEST Scholarship the nation/Ethiopia could afford or provide one with.(nI hear you Giad Abi,I appreciate the Derghi Govt of Ethiopia and the Ethiopians)..
          -I was assigned to the top University College of Ethiopia and Graduated
          -Thanks to the Min of Foreign Affairs of Israel, I WON a Unique Scholarship to the Tel Aviv Univ for my Unique Community Service
          -I also completed my Graduate studies at one of the prestigious Black Universities here in the USA….
          Etc,,…
          Keep cursing Hope for being FULL of HIMSELF.
          Go and jump to the cliff…

          What else?

          OOps,I forgot something:

          Even Though a very tiny and negligible contribution compared to the Eritrean heroes and heroines,who sacrificed their entire lives, I worked as a Unique EPLF Recruitee inside the enemy Headquarters and did my little contribution…as a DOUBLE DOUBLE Agent….as a Yellow Card Holder of the WPE aka ESSEPPA(The Workers Party of Ethiopia )…and I barely survived assassination attempts but lost a couple of heroes- by and thru the the Derghi’s Red Terror sponsored Tigreyan Death Squad in Keren..

          N.B.
          I know that Character Assassination and Defamation about/of its Opponents Is the PFDJ’s Modus Operandi and toxic and deadly tool/weapon of propaganda
          This is ONLY to correct you and your gang at TN.Com for confusing me with the Hope of Nazreth.Com.

          Are you a bit IMPRESSED,the little newborn PFDJ’s brainwashed Digital PFDJ Propagandista?
          Who cares.
          But get a life and respect our Veterans and Intellectuals and Human Rights Activists and Justice seekers here…and go where you belong to:
          The Enda Siwwa–websites…and spread your nonsense over there.

          It is ONLY fair.noble and good to “flip-flop” and take side with the Genuine Justice Seekers….

          Get over Hope or else…
          Done with you and your childish NONSENSE!

  • Gerogee

    Hi all

    After all it seems the Eritrean government may sign the Aftad, Africa Free Trade Agreement document. It is the absolute worst thing that could happen to Eritrea. I pray and Hope the government does not make a mistake this agreement. It is a trojan horse that will decimate the whole continent. The absolute majority off indigenous Africans would be the losers. Including Eritrea. the only thing I can think of why I returned government will sign it it’s probably pressured to do it.

  • Hope

    Hello and a Happy Sunday to all:
    There is a FULL BLOWN Propaganda being unleashed against the Eritrean Catholic Church to by the GoE directly and thru its proxies and cadres,vet Semere Tesafy,Georgee and Nittric included to justify its unjustifiable crimes in the name of its laws and Decrees on paper:

    Myth:
    Let me quote Semre’s quote and clarify things briefly to the naive:
    ” ERITREA WAS FOUNDED BY CATHOLIC MISSIONARIES WHO WERE CARRYING THE BIBLE. If anything has changed over the years, it is the use of locals to do the same job. And there are many naive, selfish, vindictive, sellout, slave-minded folks who parrot talking points of foreign interests with or without knowing the full details.
    FACT:
    The above obsolete statement is an old an outdated old new propaganda to confuse the naive.
    This might have worked in Latin America using the NDE -CIA Funds for the neo=Pentecostal” Movements and during the 16th -18th century Missionary Works.
    We are in the 21st Century Catholicism with a clear cut Mission to fight for social Justice for All in Eritrea by the Eritrean Catholic Church in particular and in the world through the Universal Catholic .
    The same Champion of Social Justice has proven it in deeds as I repeatedly and clearly documented based on facts here at awate .com that the Catholic Church in Eritrea has contributed in an incredible way by building the best and the most efficient schools and Health Facilities besides offering to build the best University in Africa to serve and to educate all Eritreans and Africans with all backgrounds.
    The Eritrean Catholic Church has done this since 18th century or earlier..but it has been so evident since 1960s .

    -The permanent mark is the Asmera University…and other educational institutions from top high schools to top kindergartens.

    -Those top schools made Eritrea to be the NUMERO UNO achievers for years in a row in the ESLC/The Ethiopian School Leaving Certificate Exam) in Ethiopia thereby contributing thousands to the Top Ethiopian Colleges.I understand that Eritreans are top achievers irrespective of their school origin.
    -The Eritrean Catholic Church has been the number ONE NGO to respond to all humanitarian crisis and emergencies to feed the hungry and to fetch water for the thirsty and to provide shelter for the homeless and to provide the best care for the sick and the ill.

    Another Myth:
    “4. – Therefore it is not the charity givings, services, and noble works of the the Catholic Church that the people are against. It is the use of religious institutions as tools of regime change agendas, to advance foreign interests at the expense of of the interest of the Eritrean people, that the Eritrean people are against. Do you remember Father ZerAy and his charity contribution to the Eritrean people? Yes, that kind charity.
    FACTS:
    This is a Classic Mumbo Jumbo and bogus claim made by the PFDJ Regime.

    The fact of the matter is that what the Eritrean Catholic has advocated for and has been preaching peacefully is NONE but :
    -An Unconditional National Reconciliation through a National Peace and Reconciliation Committee with a Subcommittee /Commission for Compensation
    -Amnesty
    -Release of innocent Prisoners
    Then Implement The Inclusive Constitution step by step there by to achieve and execute its provisions :
    -Basic and regulated Freedom of Movement,to work,to go to school,to gather peacefully and to express their opinions
    -To improve the socio-economico-educational affairs of Eritrea
    -To have Freedom of Economy per the Law of the Land
    -To make peace with our neighbors while making peace among ourselves and within our Eritrea proper
    Thereby improve all or most of the PUSH and Pull factors so that our Youth shall remain at home and to build the nation…

    Another myth per the naive Semere Tesfay:

    5. – So, there is a law in Eritrea enacted, I believe in 1995, that standardizes the laws, the rules, and the regulations of religions and religious institutions in Eritrea. And briefly the law says:

    (a) if any religious institution wants to provide charity services to the public, it is free to do so. But it has to be regulated by the government of Eritrea, and the religious institution must comply with all the laws rules and regulations of the nation.

    (b) All the funds needed to operate the charity services must come from domestic sources. Any fund that comes from foreign sources must be reported to the government, and must be approved by the government of Eritrea before it reaches that religious institution’s bank account.

    (c) Each year, all religious institutions funds, be from domestic or foreign sources, are subject to audit by the Eritrean government. If a religious institution fails the audit, or if a charity institution (religious or non religious) fails to disclose its source of income in good faith, that religious or charity institution’s service license would be revoked.

    (d) In Eritrea, there is a separation of state and religion. Religious institutions should not involve themselves in politics, and the state should not involve itself in the spiritual teaching of religions.

    (e) It is against the law for any religious institution to run political campaigns, political propagandas, regime change agendas, foreign interest agendas, to advance for or against government policies, to incite internal unrest, to harm the nation’s unity……..

    (d) Any non-spiritual foreigner employee of a religious or charitable institution must be approved by the government of Eritrea prior to his/her hiring.
    Facts;
    Semere et al have completely “forgotten” -a selective amnesia, that there was an EPLF National Charter declared in 1994 and a well debated ratified Constitution of 1997.
    The Eritrean catholic Church has been compliant with the above alleged and FAKE Rules and Laws.
    Despite of its compliance,it has been a perpetual victim of the PFDJ’s Sadist Regime from the get to go.

    The ONLY crime of the Eritrean Catholic Church is :

    Standing up for TRUTH and JUSTICE.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Hope

      You said: “Another myth per the naive Semere Tesfay:

      5. – So, there is a law in Eritrea enacted, I believe in 1995, that standardizes the laws, the rules, and the regulations of religions and religious institutions in Eritrea. And briefly the law says:

      (a) if any religious institution wants to provide charity services to the public, it is free to do so. But it has to be regulated by the government of Eritrea, and the religious institution must comply with all the laws rules and regulations of the nation.

      (b) All the funds needed to operate the charity services must come from domestic sources. Any fund that comes from foreign sources must be reported to the government, and must be approved by the government of Eritrea before it reaches that religious institutions bank account.

      (c) Each year, all religious institutions funds, be from domestic or foreign sources, are subject to audit by the Eritrean government. If a religious institution fails the audit, or if a charity institution (religious or non religious) fails to disclose its source of income in good faith, that religious or charity institution’s service license would be revoked.

      (d) In Eritrea, there is a separation of state and religion. Religious institutions should not involve themselves in politics, and the state should not involve itself in the spiritual teaching of religions.

      (e) It is against the law for any religious institution to run political campaigns, political propagandas, regime change agendas, foreign interest agendas, to advance for or against government policies, to incite internal unrest, to harm the nation’s unity……..

      (d) Any non-spiritual foreigner employee of a religious or charitable institution must be approved by the government of Eritrea prior to his/her hiring.

      Facts:

      B)The Eritrean Catholic Church has been compliant with the above alleged and FAKE Rules and Laws.
      C) Despite of its compliance,it has been a perpetual victim of the PFDJ’s Sadist Regime from the get to go.

      D)The ONLY “crime” of the Eritrean Catholic Church is :

      Standing up for TRUTH and JUSTICE.”

      *********************************************************************************************
      Sir Hope: This is my take on your comment

      1. – If you want to be believable, at least try to be rational and consistent. Any religious institutions, any religious leaders – be Catholics or non catholics – can’t be political activists and in-compliant with the above mentioned rules all at the same time. It is one or the other. It is either or. And we know where the Catholic priests stand.

      2.- Because some religious leaders called The Eritrean Laws Rules and Regulations “FAKE Rules regulations and Laws”, it doesn’t make the Eritrean Standard Laws, Rules, and Regulations for all religious institutions and their religious leaders, FAKE Rules and Laws. It just shows the clear defiance of a given faith’s religious leaders to the established Eritrean Laws. It only shows religious leaders involving themselves in the business of politics – which is non of their business.

      3. “The ONLY “crime” of the Eritrean Catholic Church is: Standing up for TRUTH and JUSTICE.”

      Neither the Catholic Church institutions nor their priests, set the standard for TRUTH and JUSTICE for all Eritreans – believers and non believers alike. The Catholic churches, their Institutions, and their Priests should stay away from political activism for the good of all Eritreans. There are enough Catholics in the Eritrean opposition.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Hope

        Ahlen Ya Habibna,Ustaz Sem tesfay:

        “The following is one of the naivest(do not want to say the Dumbest)statement:

        “Eritreans don’t want their religious leaders to be involved in the political affairs of the nation.

        And when it comes to the role of Catholics in Eritrean politics, there are enough Catholic supporters of the PFDJ regime, and there are enough Catholics in the Eritrean opposition.”.

        Those people or alleged supporters and opponents are “Politicians”.

        We are talking about APOLITICAL and UNIVERSAL JUSTICE.
        And those Catholics.who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Catholics but fake ones.
        Sorry…
        An old friend and FB friend as well said:”Those who call them selves Catholics but still support the UNJUST System of the PFDJ Regime cannot be Catholics”….but HERETICS”.,not just Pharisees(Ferisawian).
        I AGREED with him from justice point of view.

        Busy now…..and still online leaving aside my serious job/patient care due to my addiction to/with awate.com.

        Shame on me!

        Too bad…some Counseling is needed here..

        Will get back to you though Buddy–as you are always one of my fav…Vets.
        I always see you standing with your Chegguar Danga shooting at the invading Derghi enemy with your fully loaded Machine Gun in the plains of Gash-Barca,while watching your own comrades and best friends falling in front of your eyes and yet defying death.and keep fighting until death.

        Oh,who does that?..And I will NEVER EVER forget that Bravery and patriotism…until the cruel death separates us apart.

        ONLY the PFDJ gangs forget that and I feel bad for some of us to join that Gang.
        Never forget Hidri SiWuAtna,the HIDRI of those you saw and witnessed falling in front of your eyes on a day light.

        NEVER EVER forget that,y comrade in arms,and best friend.

        You and other Comrades DESERVE but the BEST Eritrea could have afforded,can afford and will afford.

        Thanks for engaging and apologies for the “Hope style unfriendly rudimentary and quasi “belligerent” debate style.

        It is a communication skills issue….

        In the meantime,reflect on:

        -Political Activism vs Fighting and Standing for Social Justice for all.:
        Your name sounds like-to be off a Christian background even though not a typical biblical name.
        I assume that you read the Bible,especially the New Testament and took it for granted that Christ Himself was fighting for Justice for all.
        That is the same spirit of the Christian Church.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Hope Nebsy

          First thing first: Thank you for all the respect. Next…………
          I know you don’t have time to respond at this moment; but I do. So, please allow me take advantage of the time I have to say few things.

          1. – “Those Catholics who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Catholics but fake ones.”

          So, according to your logic, it is safe to say: “those Catholics who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Catholics but fake ones. Those Orthodox Tewahdos who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Orthodox Tewahdos but fake ones. Those Pentecostals who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Pentecostals but fake ones. Those Muslims who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Muslims but fake ones. Those Jehovah Witnesses who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Jehovah Witnesses but fake ones. Those Evangelists who support the PFDJ’s UNJUST System CANNOT be Evangelists but fake ones……………

          Now, don’t you think there is something wrong with your logic?

          2. – “I always see you in my dreams/flashbacks, standing on your Chegguar Danga shooting at the invading Derghi enemy with your fully loaded Machine Gun in the plains of Gash-Barca, while watching your own comrades and best friends falling in front of your eyes and yet defying death, and keep fighting until death.”

          Thank you Hope for calling me CheguAr Danga, and thank you for acknowledging my service. Yes, I was born in a small Hagereseb Village. Yes, my parents were poor farmers. And yes, since I didn’t had high school level education – like all my (farm boys) ገባር ሓረስቶት comrades, I was CheguAr Danga. And as a CheguAr Danga (ሙቓትል), all I knew in my Gedli life as a young fighter was the art of killing and survival. And I have buried comrades – the best men and women Eritrea can give – in every wady, in every hill top, in every valley, in every plain, in every trench, and in every big and small towns between Humera and Keren. That’s why I still feel honored to be called CheguAr Danga and counted as one of the selfless farm boys I left behind – no matter what negative connotation it carries with it.

          3. – “In the meantime, reflect on: Political Activism vs HUman Rights Activism/Fighting and Standing for Social Justice for all.”

          Hope: this is my thing. This is not about opposing the opposition against the PFDJ regime. This is not about the Catholic faith. Me, as Semere Tesfai, I strongly believe – always, always, yes always, politics should be a national agenda that is played by nationalists. In Eritrean politics there shouldn’t be any place whatsoever for subnational politics – ተቓወምቲ ማሕበር ደቀስመራ፡ ተቓወምቲ ማሕበር ሰራየ/ሓማሴን/ኣከሎግዛይ፡ ተቓወምቲ ሃይማኖት ተዋህዶ/ኣስላም/ካቶሊኽ/ጅሆቫ፡ ተቓወምቲ ብሄረ ትግሪኛ/ትግሬ/ቢለን/ሳሆ/ኩናማ/ጀበርቲ፡ ተቓወምቲ ውድብ ደቂ መታሕት፡ ተቓወምቲ ማሕበር ደቀባት ኤርትራ…… type opposition to the PFDJ regime. It would do us more harm than good. ስለዚ፡ ወጊድ ንበሎ ነዚ ዓይነት ተቓውሞ፡፡ በጃኻትኩም እይንዓሹ፡ በሓላይ እየ።

          4. – “Your name sounds like-to be off a Christian background even though not a typical biblical name. I assume that you read the Bible, especially the New Testament and took it for granted that you know well that Jesus Christ Himself was fighting for Justice for all even though He was NOT a Politician. Again, read on ‘ Liberation Theology and Theology of Social Justice”. That is the same spirit of the Christian Church.”

          I admit I’m born from very devoted Christian Parents. My wife and all her families are also a very devoted Christians. But my kids and I are not, sorry to disappoint you. Meaning, my knowledge and my interest to read the bible is not that great. At best my knowledge of the bible is way below average. Sorry again.

          Hope: Again thank you for engaging, and thank you for all the respect.

          Semere Tesfai

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Hope,

      I hope it make sense to you now. I have been trying to tell you fir years that IA abd his PFDJ are enemy of the ERITREAN people and their objective is to control it, anything less of that is to destroy it.

      You give them the benefit of the doubt “safe guarding Eritrea and keeping it in tact” against ploys but there is nothing much farther from truth. What ever ploy there was, the used it to oppress the people but did nothing to actually fail them.

      Berhe

      • Hope

        Selam Berhe:
        I am the same HOPE and I remain same HOPE; and will remain same HOPE on and about my stand and Principle.
        It was the same Hope,who has been telling you the facts and the truth about the same Sadist Regime point by point based on circumstantial and direct evidence.
        the fact tat same Hope acknowledges and even gives credit when due to the same sadist Regime does NOT make Hope a flip-flopper or a PFDJ Apologist.
        Read Hope’s historical comments for the last 10 yrs(under the nicks of Truth,,Hope and ,Jemal,)

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Hope,

          All I am saying is, you need to review the credit an acknowledgement you give to this sadist regime. For example, the fact that Eritreans are not divided by region, correct if I am wrong, but you attributed it to the PFDJ.

          But Eritreans have never been divided by region, what ever division we have, our forefathers (Woldeab Woldemariam and Ibrahim Sultan) have settled it in the 50 in democratic and peaceful way. The regime of IA does not even acknowledge the two Eritrean Giants, who we should have their statue erected in stead we have this bizarre tanks (who were send to destroy us) and plastic shoes (as if it means anything without out the body) and worst off all we have Pushkin, who the most majority of Eritreans have no idea of his work.

          I am not discrediting the heroiosm of our people who fought and died to secure our lands and safe guard our people from the enemy. But the PFDJ and it’s leadership deserve no credit for that…if it was uptp the Mushumush, he would have retreated to Sahel as he gave the order to do so (so much for commander) and the brave commanders who refused his orders who chose to die and fight instead (and no one in any opposition to this regime) is in disagreement here.

          Look how pathetic this Semere T., Blink and even Simon K. can go to defend the closure of the clinics.

          There is no “walk in clinic” that I am aware off in Asmara (forget the other cities) other than “enda denagil”. The serve the children and women (pregnant and young mothers).

          Who is going to provide this care now?

          The big hospitals are usually for complicated issues and for emergency..but the basis care (the most majority) is done at the walk in clinics.

          I just remember how many trips we made to Godaif with my mother, where I and my siblings got for FREE and for nothing. Do you remember those “Sobosto”, antibiotic shots, oral medication….

          Really SAD, SAD for the young and for the women and most vulnerable of our people.

          Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            እዛ sobosto ድኣ እንታይ ዓይነት መድሃኒት እያ? እታ ንረስኒ ወይ ንድርቀት? ወይስ ን-omorodo 🙂 ትውሃብ ዝነበረት?
            እሞ ትሕዛ ዶ ኔርካ ወይስ ንድሕሪት ትትኩሳ?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Haile S.

            Emma can explain it better. But for children, it’s most likely for fever.

            Berhe

      • Nitricc

        I have been trying to tell you fir years that IA abd his PFDJ are enemy of the ERITREAN people

        Hi berhe; why do you care? you work for Canada, you pay taxes to Canada, you leave in Canada and you live in Canada; the question is what is to you? and why don’t you leave things to the people who live in Eritrea, work in Eritrea and all the livelihoods in Eritrea. in the other words mind your own miserable life.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          Unlike you, I have a concise and I sympathies with the hell our people are going through by the sadist regime that you don’t even have any excuse left that you support.

          I am not catholic but I am grateful for all the services they provided me. I attended their school, I and my siblings were treated at their walkin clinc all our lives.

          I just ask what alternative will the people have now?

          Without exaggeration if a doctor treats 10 patients an hour here in the the west, those doctors in those walk in clinic probably treat at least 30 an hour. With so many people needing care, who came from near and far, we never use to to wait more than an hour to get treated. It’s not only prescription, you get your medication, you get your shots if needed, etc. The nurses (majority Eritrean sisters) do most of the treatment and the doctor (usually Italian/sisters) come to confirm and for second look.

          Do you expect me to dance and sing in this very sad moment where out people are going through?

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi berhe; what is the reason for the closer of the catholic clinics? There must be a reason, what is it?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I don’t know. I think the government who is ordering the closure should be the one to explain WHY.

            It’s the same pattern, that’s what it did to the Acria school and to the many other independent institutions.

            IA wants to control everything in Eritrea, I will not be surprised if he doesn’t go after the priests and the church next.

            He is such a cry baby, he can’t handle the truth.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            I don’t know

            Hi Berhe; so you are opposing without knowing the reason? Wow, I mean don’t you ought to your self and being to know the reason before you go banana about it? Typical toothless Eritrean opposition. hahahahah

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I am sure it gives you pleasure seeing young children dying of fever and heat stroke.

            The only reason I read is from the likes of you and Semere T. invoking Isayas 1995 proclamation of denying any development work in the country by NGO.

            I read the letter the Catholic priests wrote to the justice minister and many other PFDJ institutions, seeking explanation for the closure and the removal of their medical properties.

            Those clinics go way back, may be before IA was born and his own mother and himself probably were getting the same treatment growing up.

            Why don’t you tell me the reason then…you people are sad and sick….you were writing about the sins of the catholic priests in other world and you tried to accuse them of those crimes who have nothing to do with us.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; why do you think I am happy of dying children? Please let’s not carried away. First of all I did not say anything about this issue. Because I didn’t know that is why I asked why the clinics are closed . Besides, if there was 1995 proclamation against NGO why was to this date the clinics are allowed to operate. It does not make sense. it got to be some reason for the government to take such action. I know nothing about this issues but I can understand those clinics are very helpful to the Eritrean government. healthcare is a huge burden for any government so why would the government want to close them down? it doesn’t make sense. there must be a deep reason for such action. Just saying. Personally since I don’t know the reason I will wait for the real reason for someone to tell me. It is amazing though most of don’t no the reason but you opposed it anyways? not good.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I am opposing the closure of this clinics, period. They provide the most vital services to the most vulnerable part of the population without asking anything back in return.

            How many times do I have to tell you. It’s the government that needs to explain why it’s clising them and what it has to provide in replacement.

            If the government doesn’t explain why, are you going to keep quite?

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; I get it but how can you opposed or resent without knowing why? what if they weren’t up to the bar when it comes to giving care? what if they were using expired medicines. What if they were involved in human trafficking so on and so on. What I am telling you is for you to oppose for the Eritrean government decision with knowing the reason makes you look a typical ignorant Eritrean opposition.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            You are bending backwards to find reason and excuse for IA and what he does best, which is humiliating the Eritrean people.

            What if they were smuggling people?
            What if they were providing expired medicine?

            I think there is no point in discussing this with you and people like you. I have told you, I and my siblings the only doctor office we knew growing up were those clinics.

            Why should I deny this, when I, like many thousands of people who were beneficiary of their services.

            What has the IA and his PFDJ regime have record to stand by, that benefited the people.

            The only thing they are good at is, closing down services that were key to the welfare of the Eritrean people.

            If the government has such claims of wrong doing (speculation), it should expose them but in the mean time, they are denying the care (fact) the people desperately need.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; Now I am starting to understand why PIA won’t give up power. You people are lost. You are giving me as an example your child hood time. Boy, you are even dumber than I thought. Since your childhood the world has moved on. medicine has changed. new rules and regulations has enacted and you are telling me about your childhood? Like I have told you; I have no idea why the clinics are closed but it is against humanity and moral order to oppose something you have no reason for. Now, I assume those clinics were great help to the government, why would the government closes out? think! ooops sorry I forgot you can’t do that.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            This is really that you can come up with. What a twisted world you live in.

            I am telling you the letter the priests / administers of the Catholic church wrote to the justice minister and they don’t even know why it’s closed. They asked the government to back off and explaining the services they provide to the people. I gave you my childhood example, which is the same service they were providing until now. Now medicine may have changed and evolved but the practice has not changed since the time of Hippocrates.

            Why don’t you google of the closure and read for yourself.

            Anyway enough, enkilil misaKa..

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; as usual, I don’t think you understood the absurdity of your argument. The first thing that comes to a normal human being when heard such news is WHY? But of course it is not for you. Those organizations help the government in to easing the burden of health care and the government is not going to shut them down for minor things. I got to believe there must be a deeper issue for the government to shut down its helpers. So, what I am telling you is there more to what your little head is telling. And it is a good practice for you to accept or reject things based on Motive and reason. If not, what is the difference between Berhe and the pig in zeamerman’s farm? Nothing!

          • Desbele

            Selam Berhe,
            “Dont argue with stupid people. They drag you to their level and beat you with experience.” Mark Twain
            By Nitrric’s logic:

            G-15 and journalists must have done something otherwise DIA would not lock them up for 18+ years in solitary
            Abune Antonious must have done something otherwise DIA would not demote and arrest him
            Dr Fitsum and Dr. Tekleab must have done something otherwise DIA would not arrest them for 15+ years
            Ciham must have done something other wise DIA….

            I am just mentioning prominent figures that we all know about their fate under cruel hands of DIA. For Nitrric , DIA is the almighty, clean , demigod who never make a mistake. It is somewhere else that you shop the crime. Pathetic.
            በርሀ ሓወይ ንስኻ ትገድድ…..

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Desbele,

            You are right. Ane yigedid misaKa yeKudid koynu.

            Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Berhe

            “There is power in secrecy. “, “keep your enemy guessing.” The Catholic Church intention is very clear. The Catholic Church wants to be the catalyst for a change. that is probably the only entity that has direct link to the outside world. It’s probably has being tasked to instigate Mayhem in Eritrea. So the Eritrean government probably decided start showing the who’s running the country. Slowly over shortly circling them for their Church get it will be easy to control him then. If you have 20/30 facilities he’ll be difficult to control. But if you have three for churches it’s easy to control. I’m actually in favor of immediately investigating each priest. If they have been accused of pedophilia in other countries. As you know Catholic churches expert molesting little boys

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Georgee,

            In the mean time the young and the most vulnerable, let them perish.

            At least you are somewhat honest in your reply. This whole thing is, as I suspected, a plot by IA to silence the Catholic Church and to control their operations. He probably suspected that the flow of information outside the country is coming from those churches.

            It’s a matter of time Georgee, just a matter of time.

            BKendey gobo zeyTereTna belet Adgi.

            Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Berhe

            Education and medical treatment are free in Eritrea.

    • Paulos

      Dr. Hope,

      Brilliant, brilliant, absolutely brilliant! The Stalinst regime and its coward supporters got nothing to say except their abject ignorance and stupidity where you knock them out with hands-down facts. God bless!

    • Consolation

      Selamat Hope,

      The Catholic Church in Eritrea was allowed to run private schools and health facilities, a privlege that is not extended to any other religious institution, because it was considered to be an apolitcal organization. As long as it scrupulosity stuck to its apolitical positions, it could be tolerate, not just by the government, but by other denominations as well.

      When the Catholic Bishops stuck their necks out and began to flit with political matters, they were endangering their own organization. Remember they asked the government to reconcile with the traitors who for the last 20 years have been working hand in hand with the enemies of E|ritrea. This was crossing the line. A Catholic priest may have the power to absolve a confessor of his sins, but a Catholic Bishop has no power to sanitize traitors.

      The Catholic church is a dying institution globally. Churches in the West today are empty halls. In Eritrea the Catholic youth are being going Pente in droves. So, the Catholic Bishops should confine themselves to their episcopal duties and device ways and methods to make their failth relevant to their adherents. Becoming a political tool of enemies of Eritrea will only weaken the Cathlic church. I suggest that you advise your Bishops to stay out of politics.

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Selam Consolation,

        1. How come a regime known for its ‘adherence to the rule of law and to the principles of fairness and equity’ found itself allowing the Catholic Church to enjoy “a privilege that is not extended to any other religious institution”!! Please, take note that rule of law, justice, fairness, reconciliation, harmony, compassion are universal principles that cannot be compartmentalized into “political” and “apolitical” categories as you seem to be trying to do.

        2. Is it a crime to advocate national reconciliation in one’s own country and society? If you condemn the Catholic Church for their having urged reconciliation, wouldn’t that put you (and the regime you support) on the side of confrontation, conflict and strife? Two facts that no honest person can deny are: (a) the Catholic Bishops did not call for reconciliation between the regime and “traitors”. They simply underscored the indispensability of national reconciliation if peace, progress and development are to be ensured in the country. But, let me ask you this. How about reconciliation between the regime and those former liberation fighters and ex-government officials who have been held in solitary confinement under subhuman conditions for the last 18 years and counting — all for having advocated a different governance system? (b) Reconciliation is one of the fundamental principles of religious teachings. But, as with all political and economic rights, the regime and its misguided supporters seem to be striving to expropriate and monopolize even the notion of reconciliation.

        3. Huh, as if the regime cares what religious faith Eritreans identify themselves with! What difference does it make — Is Pentecostal Christianity not one of the most persecuted denominations in the country? But sorry; on second thought, you are right it does make a difference: The more people convert to Pentecostalism, the more victims the regime will have to persecute, arrest, abuse, torment!

        Finally, if I were you, I would find it more logical to worry about finding myself supporting an abhorrent regime in its death throes, than to worry about the fate of an age-old religious institution that boasts hundreds of millions of followers throughout the world! But then, …..

        Thank you

        • Consolation

          Gello Yohannes,

          I have no idea with you are trying to say. The matter is simple. There will never be reconciliation with traitors. Deal with that!

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Consolation,

            I am not surprised — how can you have an idea about what I wrote! You simply can’t. You have already plugged your ears and have rendered your brain impervious to any other ideas except what is already there.

            And yes, you are right, I “tried to say” something to you in vain. But, UNLIKE YOU, I HAVE LEARNED A LESSON even from your adverse and arrogant response: It is and it would be a waste of time to try to engage a ‘closed mind’ in a debate.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Consolation,
        Who else should call for reconciliation if not for men of cloth? Your illegitimate government cannot face the public, have a debate about this. So you all are throwing every kind of mud here hoping one will stick. Throw at it the history of Catholicism, current religious trends, the lie that the clinics were in cities not remote areas; they didn’t have that big of a contribution; they only treated Catholics etc. And now you come up with your new theory of “they asked to reconcile with traitors”. Slander it as much as you can and some people will believe some of it.
        You are defending a government that doesn’t think you worthy of its attention. It doesn’t ask your opinion, your vote. It doesn’t consult with you nor give you a proper explanation. A president who would come out twice or three times a year to speak in cryptic language that you guys have to decipher as if his speeches are from some ancient manuscript.
        If you are defending him/his government, because you love your country, look at Eritrea and it people. Open your eyes. On the other, hand if you are a direct beneficiary from this cruel, inhuman, predatory system, congratulations. You are winning because you have might. But do not confuse might with right.

        • Consolation

          Selem Abrehet,

          That they asked the government to reconcile with the traitors is not a theory, it is a fact. You don’t seem to understand the gist of the matter. let me explain. The people who today are crying Yiakle are the same traitors who for the past 20 years have worked with the Weyane thugs t o destroy Eritrea, have committed treason of the most heinous nature. No Eritrean, Bishop or otherwise, has the right to condone the crimes that these weyane servants have committed.

          To repeat, the Eritrean traitors are not legitimate politicos with whom reconciliation is possible, They are criminals who need to face the consequences of the crimes. It may be convenient for people like you t o forget that 19,000 Eritreans paid with their lives to defend the country while these traitors were with the invading Weyane forces when t hat happened. Think about that. Those 19,000 people have brothers and sisters and family and friends and compatriots who will never forget or forgive what the Weyane thugs and t heir Eritrean servants did.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Consolation,
            You have a right to your opinion on those you call traitors. That in no way is a defense for closing health center in order to punish a group of leaders who ask/beg/council for citizens to reconcile. It is the duty of all elders to call for reconciliation. Don’t make that a crime.

      • Hope

        Selam Semere Tesfay,Consolation ,Blink and Nittric and others!
        Due to time constraints,I decided to respond to you in a one thread:
        Facts:
        -Eritreans sacrificed more than 100k precious sons and daughters to create a One,Strong,Reconciled,United,Prosperous and developed Eritrea with a Just System in Eritrea
        -To that effect,we charted out a National Charter in 1994 and Ratified Constitution in 1997.

        But the rest is history.

        While Eritrea and Eritreans have gone through unexpected HELL since then due to unexpected and unforeseen obstacles and hassles ,which have led to the mess we are in,there were ways to bypass or minimize such hassles and horrible obstacles, which put our National Security Interest including our Independence and Sovereignty in question .
        Make NO MISTAKE that I fully understand the destructive role our enemies have played to keep us down but my concern and frustration with the regime is that it has had plenty of opportunities to minimize those horrific experiences Eritrea and Eritreans have gone through.
        Here are some of the facts:
        -The regime “worked hard” or contributed at least partially to the above mess our enemies played a serious destructive role.
        A) Against National Reconciliation since 1991

        B)Against the National Charters of 1994 and 1997

        C) Applied or pursued chaotic and erratic political,diplomatic,economic ,National Security and educational as well as Human Rights policies ,which supplemented to or augmented the destructive conspiracies of our enemies .

        Due to the above and to complicate the matter further:
        -It destroyed the economy and the unity,family values of Eritrea
        -It systematically and directly kidnapped,jailed and or killed or made innocent and top Officials,Journalists,Religious Leaders,Teachers,Doctors,Teens ,etc…
        -It kept Eritrea and Eritreans HOSTAGES of the destructive policies of our
        enemies in the name of border demarcation ,etc but only to accept the same preconditions it refused 20 yrs ago.

        -Worse, after accepting the peace deal with Ethiopia, it made a U-turn and told us that Demarcation is not a priority or the Weyanes are refusing to demarcate the border,when the truth is that the same Regime NEVER raised this issue with the Ethiopian Govt as exposed by none but the same Ethiopian Govt!

        Worse,despite almost all the obstacles have been lifted,Eritreans are yet to breath a enough oxygen of peace and the peace dividend a year after the peace deal was signed.

        We are on the same status quo and we are even being told that we will be in the same status quo for the next 4 yrs.

        Facts:

        -The border is not demarcated

        -Our Sovereign Territories are still under the old enemy but new partner despite Dr Abiy’s Govt is open for a demarcation(Dr Abiy declared that the PFDJ Gov NEVER EVER raised that issue and Dr Debretsion confirmed that).

        -The exodus doubled

        -The economy is in shutters

        -Our innocent prisoners including teens are still in jail
        -No hope for the past due National Reconciliation or Amnesty or The implementation of the Constitution
        And coz of the above, the BRAVO Eritrean Catholic Church challenged the Regime as to why the Peace and National Reconciliation and Constitution and its provisions are being hijacked or delayed.

        To /for the naive:

        The Catholic Church is not made up of few gangs or child molesters
        -The Catholic Church does not only runs few clinics
        -The Catholic Church is not just a mere Religious Institution that deals with only preaching or praying.

        The Catholic Church :

        Despite its ups and downs since it is run by weak and sinful human beings :

        -Is more than 2000 yrs old well organized Institution created to:
        Preach the Gospel of Christ and all its provisions including but not limited to :
        Socio-Economic Justice for all Humanities that includes providing education for the illiterate, healthcare for the sick ,food for the hungry, water for the thirsty and shelter for the homeless ….

        Of utmost importance, to fight for Human Rights and Justice for all humanities wherever and whenever!

        That is EXACTLY what the Eritrean Catholic Church is doing in Eritrea !

        Contrary to a certain Consolation’s or Semere Tesfay’s NAIVE and ill-informed assertions,it is not a just a special privilege given to the Church by the PFDJ Regime to say and to do what it has been doing for centuries and decades but its obligation to :
        Fight for JUSTICE FOR ALL everywhere and anywhere in the world under all circumstance and situations and irrespective of or no matter who is in power .

        That is THE MANDATE GIVEN to the Church by none else but GOD!

        Note:
        -The Catholic Church has built and manages the best Education and Healthcare and Social Justice Systems in the world

        -The Eritrean Catholic Church has built and runs the best schools including the Asmera Univ and the top High Schools,Kindergartens and healthcare system in the most efficient way.

        -The Eritrean Catholic Church offered and begged the Sadist Regime to build the best and a world Class Univ (in Africa) in Eritrea in 1995 but the regime refused making lame excuses .

        Hope

      • Hope

        Selamat Consolation:
        May the Lord console you or bless you with His Consolation.
        You shamelessly claimed:
        “The Catholic Church is a dying institution globally.”
        You got it wrong and the PFDJ Cadres gave U a false info.
        The Catholic Church might make mistakes and might have weaknesses but,hey,that is coz its members/Leaders are human beings like you and me.
        To my best knowledge ,NO other institution has survived but the Catholic Church…for the last 2000 yrs plus…..

        “When the Catholic Bishops stuck their necks out and began to flirt with political matters, they were endangering their own organization. Remember they asked the government to reconcile with the traitors who for the last 20 years have been working hand in hand with the enemies of Eritrea. This was crossing the line. A Catholic priest may have the power to absolve a confessor of his sins, but a Catholic Bishop has no power to sanitize traitors”.

        Dude,with all due respect,would you be so kind to justify or prove your above belabelow ?

        “Remember they asked the government to reconcile with the traitors who for the last 20 years have been working hand in hand with the enemies of Eritrea. This was crossing the line”.

        That is exactly the job of the Catholic Church–without discrimination or prejudice or discrimination.

        Traitor ?
        Please define it in an Eritrean Context.
        The G-15?
        The Journalists?
        Fr Mussie you mean?
        Huh?
        Now I know that you have NO clue about Eritrean cause and Eritreanism and Eritreans.
        That is exactly why the PFDJ Leadership led by Yemane Ghebreab recruites the Sofias,the Elias Amares,and the other few in Diaspora ,who have no clue about the devil’s details and/but demotes,kidnaps,freezes and kills the originals with full knowledge and experience of the Eritrean Business/Dream.
        You seem to be one of the former…Gang.

        Who decimated the Eri Elite in the field?

        Who boycotted the Semur Ghinbar?

        Who destroyed the largest Liberation Front and Army jointly with te REAL BLOODY ENEMY of Eritrea and why?

        Who decimated systematically the top Eri Intelligentia,elite and Intellectuals Top Generals,Commanders,Top Doctors,top Leaders,Leaders,Founders of the ELF and EPLF?

        Who ordered the EDF to withdraw without a ceasefire or Plan B from Zalambessa,which led to the massacre of our Gallant EDF form the rear and why?

        Who ordered the withdrawal of our EDF form its wellfortied defense lines form Burrie Front and to vacate aseb and why?

        Who chased and massacred the INNOCENT ELF Cadres in the Sudan and Ethiopia and why?

        Who has been and is kidnapping ,detaining,keeping incommunicado and making to rot the Innocent Eri Leaders,Kids,Teachers,Religious Leaders and Doctors as we speak?
        Where is Gen Tewil and Gen Sibhat Efrem?
        Where is Commander Habitation,the Eritrean UNREPLACEABLE Air Force elite and ICON?
        The are traitors,therefore,they have to be killed or rot n the jails?
        right?

        What do you call the one,who kidnapped,killed,decimated all the above and committed the above crimes of all crimes…the HIGHEST CRIME of TREASON…?
        Ordering the EDF to withdraw form Aseb ?
        Ordering Commander Mesfin Hagos to halt the Nadew Command destruction?
        If true,why and for what reason?

    • Blink

      Dear Hope
      Full blown out propaganda against who ? I mean who is attacking who . A church known by its historical events which is full of crimes against humanity is being attacked for what ? A church deep dark like outer space does not need to be attacked by few people in Eritrea because the name Catholic Church structure by itself is a crime . It’s hard out here for a pope. See, when it comes to religious history, the list of Catholic Church transgressions makes for pretty uncomfortable reading and I am sure hope understands the dark books . Despite exalting virtue and kindness in its teaching and also show up with few clinics and give away things the Church leadership has spearheaded the act of defending criminals . Most Eritreans don’t know what catholic Stracture looks like and how it locks the evil history .

      I suggest Eritreans to read the catholic history on this momentous time for the few clinics .Not to defend the acts of the dictator who simply doesn’t care what you and I say about the so called morality leadership of Catholics .

  • Amanuel

    Hi All
    It is shame Eritrea is the only African country not to be part of The African free trade agreement. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-48899701

    • Gerogee

      Amanuel

      Can I ask you why is it a shame not to sign the “free trade agreement “?… do you have any knowledge about the agreement? Have you read the agreement? Are you an expert in any field related to economics, international trade?

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Georgee,

        I don’t know what Amanuel expertise in economy and international trade is, but its common sense. There is no need for Eritrea, being the gateway (closest for export) for most African countries in the region to be left out from signing the African free trade. It is not part of the continental fiber optics network, it’s not part of the continental transportation network etc.

        It’s isolated by the regime abd is being left out, where as Africa is progressing well.

        The west African countries already signed for common currency and when its implemented it will be a huge blow to France and other European countries and the US who control most of African resources and economies.

        But I think because IA is not willing to commit to open the books such as GDP, budget, economic growth, employment etc which will be demanded to do so. He is a mafia, he wants to operate in secrecy and any thing open does not work well with him.

        There is nothing Eritrea will gain or progress as long as this evil man is still in charge.

        We just have to speed up his demise, then we will be part of Africa.

        Berhe

        • Gerogee

          Berhe

          Your dislike of PIA should not be greater than your love for Eritrea. The same with me, my love for Eritrea is greater than my support for PIA. Now to the main point. It is very important that you educate yourself with the working of multinational companies and the political power behind them. Very important that you take emotion out of it and see the real intentions. Anyhow, don’t take my word for it read what Africans largest and oldest trade union, Nigeria Trade Union said, ” …it is an extremely dangerous and radioactive neo-li real policy initiative…that seeks to open our seaports, airports and other businesses to unbridled foreign interference never before witenessed..”

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Georgee the expert,

            Why do you think them Niageria approved at last. TaT keyebela qaq Abela. Nigeria GDP is like 380Billion, it is massive, it has a lot of elements that need to look at the details and how it will impact their economy and their competitive advantage.

            What’s that Eritrea to be afraid off? It’s tourism, it’s local industry, it’s local manufacturing, it’s employnment, it’s banking, it’s teleco, it’s agriculture, oh I forgot, it high tech.

            The only thing Eritrea has no African country has is, millitary training and refugee export. Nothing else.

            Like I said, as long as the devil is in charge, it makes no difference for Eritrea, except symbolic. There will not be any crazy investor (with the exception of the gulf stated with massive money for their sinster agenda) will put their money with such unpredictable dictator at the helm.

            Even Nevsun, Eritrea return is so small that IA is left holding the bag, where Nevsun bought another mine in Russia using all the money it generated in Eritrea, that Eritrea had zero claim. They played him good, too bad for ERITREAN people.

            Why do you keep lying? Is that your habit? What’s regionalism you keep referring every time. Why don’t you show me anything that I said, remotely close to that.

            Yes I hate him because he is the enemy of the ERITREAN people.

            Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Hi Berhe

            Are you really that ……? What is Eritrea afraid of?

            1. When you sign agreements to is not based on the NOW only but also the future. So, Eritrea has to be careful when you make a deal. The fact that you do not know or care to pay attention is frightening. Lord save Eritrea from the likes of you.

            About the NEVSUN deal comment exposes your state of mind. The words you use to describe your gossip like comments can only be described as non Eritrean. I only expect that from someone who cares very little about Eritrea. Very emotionally detached. I hope I am wrong. It seems like you get pleasure out of it. Unfortunately hate to break you heart it was very successful. If if wasn’t your beloved Woyaneti and USA wouldn’t get ape about it. UN was losing sleep over it….

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Georgee,

            Listen, isn’t Eritrea member of the AU. It has its ambassador to AU, even when it was sanctioned, was attending the AU summit. Why should Eritrea be the last country to sign? Always excuse, weyane, US, sanction, war, hatew qetew. No because the file got to IA and he never returned it back. That’s how things work in Eritrea, IA must do everything and must decide for everything.

            Listen, Nevsun had ZERO mines any where in the world. It had only Bisha. If Nevsun value say at 100 dollars, wouldn’t you agree that Bisha should be the significant part of that asset, I would say about 90%.

            Nevsun has 200 million outstanding shares and it was sold for 6 dollars per share, and that’s about 1.2 billion.

            How much did Eritrea got on this transaction? I would have guessed close to 1 billion should belong to Eritrea in reality, but it got nothing.

            All Eritrea gets is 40 % of the amount generated from Bisha, while Nevsun gets 60%. Out of that, it was paying the 30% to have the ownership. For example, Nevsun made 300 million in first year, Eritrea share is 120 million, and it payed 90 million and got 30 million. Nevsun got 270 million in the first year, the second and third year. While Eritrea got less than 100 million, until all the gold run out. And Nevsun used that money to buy another mine in Russia for 400 million I think. When the mines in Bisha run out, there is no money for Eritrea but Nevsun has other assets and it can pack and leave.

            I know this is too complicated for you..as long as the money (what ever amount that is) stashed in IA hidden swiss accounts (as per investigation) nothing matters.

            No I don’t get pleasure to see my country resources is stollen and the people get nothing out of it.

            Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Hi Berhe

            Have you read the agreement? Why are you wanting Eritrea to sign? And I bet if Eritrea signed it you still would be saying something. This kind of agreements are never good for the average person in any country. It is just to make it easy for the multi nationals. You have not explained as to why they are important. I gave you an example what Nigerian trade union said.

            As far as the gold mine is concerned you just defaulting back to your silly self. At the time of Nevsun agreement the environment for investment was extremely difficult. It served its purpose. We were facing difficult situations. It was way better than anyone can expect. It was modeled from Australia mining law. Berhe why do you put yourself in embarrassing spot.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Watch out Gerogee! I think you are inadvertently beginning to contradict yourself, or perhaps may be I have not learned well the the lessons you gave us to study!

            You taught us that we should never trust multinationals, western countries, the UN and other international organizations because they are all out to undermine Eritrea’s national interests and to effect regime change. It thus scares the hell out of me when you tell us that the pious regime of Isaias Afewerki somehow finds itself working with mining laws modelled after those of Australia — another satanic country! That is a disaster! Please Gerogee, do something about it; save the regime from itself!!

        • Amanuel

          Hi Berhe Y
          I agree this is about common sense. More over it would have been acceptable if it was as the result analysing the pros and cons but sadly Eritrea was not part of the negotiation due to the problems it had with Ethiopia.

          • Gerogee

            Aman

            Just for the record, Nigeria just signed it few days ago. Again, can you tell us why are u ashamed that Eritrea did not sign the “free” trade? The devil is in the detail. It is not something we need to rush to. Berhe have made it clear that his priority is advancing his regionalism not the welfare of Eritrea. With exception of one time he has been the rising star of stupidity.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Georgee
            If you read the link I posted it would have saved you from embarrassment.

          • Gerogee

            Aman

            I read it and I understood it. Again why is it a shame Eritrea is the last to sign? If anything, it proves you either did not understand or just want to spew weak shots. The excuse give by Eritrea seem acceptable.

          • Amanuel

            Gerogee,
            If you read & understood it, you wouldn’t need to state the obvious as Nigeria signing the agreement was the main story of the articles. It has detailed analysis why was the delay.
            However, Eritrean was not part of the negotiation simply because it had a problem with Ethiopian. Having a problem with Ethiopian shouldn’t have affected Eritrea to inter in to negotiation unless it was lead by a moron.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amanuel; Nigeria is the most corrupted in the face of the earth. Besides, what is and when was anything Africans accomplished? Mark my word all Africa with exception of Eritrea will fall to china one after the other. So, it doesn’t really matter what the corrupted Africans do. I am glad Eritrea is not among the toothless BS. No matter what you hate everything about Eritrea. hate is not good for you. Is there anything does Eritrea right? Name one?

          • Gerogee

            Aman

            Let’s start over. You said it was a shame that Eritrea did not sign. I ask you why is it a shame that we didn’t sign, even Nigeria, the biggest puppet of America in Africa didn’t sign it. And I pointed out they just barely signed. So is it a shame for Nigeria for not signing it? Mind you Nigeria is a very wealthy country. And it has his own domestic manufacturing sector. come to think of it I’m glad you pushing for it. And I’m also glad there is fake opposition. Because if they’re etrian government signed agreement. The future original government can say hey we didn’t have a a good Governors and we refuse to follow the agreement.

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Selam Gerogee,

        Are you, yourself an expert in those fields? Do you possess (or have you done) the things you ask of him?

        Furthermore, does one have to be an expert in political, social, and economic fields in order to be able to comment on a given issue in those areas — provided one has a general knowledge about the subject, information on the specific issue and an ability to rationally process the information?

        If your answer to the last question is “yes”, there would be no need for carrying out the interesting debate that goes on at this Forum. More importantly, you would not be able to make the frequent comments you have been making here at this forum on almost every conceivable issue on Eritrea. So please, let us cut out the hypocrisy here.

        • Gerogee

          Selam HZ

          I am expert when it comes to sinister moves, sovereignty eroding plots. One doesn’t have to be expert to make a comment but one has to be very careful not to make stupid blanket statement without giving some kind of example. It is stupid to throw a baby with the water.

  • Nitricc
    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc,
      What is this Nitricc? Your link seems broken or is all the message? Despite, the engraved words the reality on the ground is that “Waysay” is voting on his feet abandoning the promised land because the selfish generation is refusing to pass the baton.
      I invite to listen & try to understand this Abrar’s song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX4uAuAyfrM

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear awatistas,

    Here is a recap of the current political development of Ethiopia that ensued a coup, and all the realignment of forces that brought the destabilizing of the central government in Addis. The link below will give you a general reading in the Ethiopian politics.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/04/abiy-ahmeds-reforms-have-unleashed-forces-he-can-no-longer-control-ethiopia-amhara-asaminew-adp-adfm/?fbclid=IwAR0I1WgheY921Dkg6TFgju4uEM299BEkuLyClcpQRJ8bYIXFXVdTxE0m6X8

  • Hope

    Selamat Hailat:

    You sound a bit of generalizing things here.

    “…but religion is politics and the different religions are political ideologies with heavenly cover, thus their intervention and comments on social administration cannot be considered apolitical. The reason why religious orgs don’t consider themselves as politicians is because they believe the God they serve is above politics.”.
    I agree partially with you when dealing about “Man-mad religions”.
    Most Religions originally were said to be working for the good of Humanity.
    But once the religions get into politics and politicize religion for obvious religious purposes,then your generic assertion is correct.
    Plus,there is a big difference between Religion and FAITH.
    I am only interested about the Christian/catholic faith when I am talking about the topic in question.
    “The Initiative taken by the Eritrean Catholic Bishops vis-a-vis the dire Situation in Eritrea is what I am focusing.

    The Eritrean Catholic Bishops are NOT politicizing things and are NOT for a regime as semere tesfai et al would argue.

    The Christian/Catholic Faith and the Church Teachings are based on Hard Core Values and Principles for the interest of the world and its people.

    Unfortunately,what the Christian Church teaches and what the “Faithful” and their Leaders act and live might NOT be consistent with the spirit of the original teachings of the Christian Faith/Church,where the big problem lie and when the Church and its leadership are judged by what the Faithful and its Leadership act/live and practice.

    And I do not blame naive people like Nitric,who declared here that the Core values of the Catholic Church is “Child Molestation” simple coz few sick Clergy molested innocent kid.

    This is NOT new and Jesus Christ knew it from the get to go when he said:

    “Netti ziblukhum deA’ ghiberu ember netti zighberiwos aytigberu”.

    He was talking about the “Ferisawian”/Pharisees,who enforce the Law on the Faithful to do what the Old Testament told /taught them to do but act themselves(the Pharisees)other wise differently.

    This is the modus operandi in all types of religions and Governments/societies.

    Case in point,the Police are trained to be the Law Enforcers and they chase “criminal and drug dealers” but we were told that the same Police are/is the top notch drug dealers.

    Granted,your opinion is respected but did not expect you to comment like Asir Aleka Nittric.

    Note:
    I am quite familiar with the Classic anecdote you brought up among the ill-informed and less trained/less evangelized tradition -based Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians,both the Tehado and catholic faithful in general and the Tewahdo ones in particular(no offense here) and their practice.
    My friends Drs TekhleAb and Fistum(specially Dr Fitsum) were chased for reforming that kind of tradition-based and backward Christian Practices,and that was the main reason why the PFDJ Regime targeted them fro awakening the Tewahdo Youth through their new Charismatic Movement and Renewal of the Tewahdo Church of Eritrea.
    IA wants to keep the Eri Orthodox Church weak,divided and ignorant-inits dormant status quo so as to control the Tewahdo Church Leadership and thereby control the Faithful.
    Dr Fistum was found to be a serious threat to PIA’s Policy on the Eri Tewahdo Church.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Hope,

      You said “Granted, your opinion is respected but did not expect you to comment like Asir Aleka Nittric”. Thank you for the respect of my opinion. But I should say, on the thread discussing on religion, politics & the catholic church, I didn’t comment like “Asir Aleka” Nittric, NOT at all. You need to say sorry!
      On the phraseology of politics, religion, faith… I may come later or tomorrow due to lack of time.
      Thanks

      • Hope

        Hahah Hailat:
        Thought I was benign and sarcastic.
        Apologies.
        I take it back.
        The Disqus and /or the the Mod marked my comment as SPAM and deleted it,hence,you are covered.
        Was trying to clarify few points to the naive…

  • mokie berhe

    Salam all. Anyone see the huge mansion of General Abraha Woldemariam (Quarter) who recently kicked the bucket? 😉 That sucker is shamefully huge and cries TPLF corruption! How is it that most TPLF Generals became embarrassingly filthy rich millionaires or even billionaires?

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awatewian,

    Based on the ongoing discussion, the affinities & affiliation attributed to each religion to countries surrounding Eritrea, it looks Eritrea has no original religion(s) of its own leaving PFDJism as the single ideological religion original to the country. Sadly this ideology is getting imposed instead of democratically adhered to at the will of the people. Eritreans signed to its precursor movement and to others just for independence, not to its forced bondage.

    I don’t mean to offend the genuine belief of believers and all the good they try to bring to the society, but religion is politics and the different religions are political ideologies with heavenly cover, thus their intervention and comments on social administration cannot be considered apolitical. The reason why religious orgs don’t consider themselves as politicians is because they believe the God they serve is above politics. Politicians are okay with that because they want politics to be their exclusive domain and prefer to relegate the religious orgs as Hermits living in monasteries that descend and mingle among the population to gather information through confessions like in the medieval times, even to recently BTW.

    Therefore, the interrogation by politicians on why religious orgs and people don’t limit themselves to judgement for heaven and hell is a pure flattery. This reminds me to tell a true anecdote that happened in our neighborhood.
    One of our very descent neighbours one day brings an ‘illegitimate’ son to the family with the consent of his wife. The couple had already 5 children. The elder boy among these 5 was a strong and dominant one. It happens that the incoming half brother is around his age, but very docile and very religious who doesn’t start eating without says all the prayers including ሰላም ኢለቺ & ሰላም ቅዱስ ገብርኤል መልኣክ when the family gathers to eat together from the traditional big common plate. With time this boy realizes that the injera and sauce are more than halved by the time he finishes the prayers, and starts going hungry. In solution to this, the boy started running through the prayers, saying ብሰመኣብ.ሰላሚለቺ..ሰላቅዱስገብርኤልመልኣክ..bimbamboom.ኣሜን! His dominant half brother seeing his advantage disappearing through this running-through didn’t like it and started scolding and hitting him saying, he needed to pray slowly and fully in order to be heard by heavens.

    • Hope

      Selamat Hailat:

      You sound a bit of generalizing things here.

      “…but religion is politics and the different religions are political ideologies with heavenly cover, thus their intervention and comments on social administration cannot be considered apolitical. The reason why religious orgs don’t consider themselves as politicians is because they believe the God they serve is above politics.”.
      I agree partially with you when dealing about “Man-made religions”.
      Most Religions originally were said to be working for the good of Humanity.
      But once the religions get into politics and politicize religion for obvious political purposes,then your generic assertion is correct.

      Plus,there is a big difference between Religion and FAITH.

      I am only interested about the Christian/Catholic Faith when I am talking about the topic in question.

      The Initiative taken by the Eritrean Catholic Bishops vis-a-vis the dire Situation in Eritrea is what I am focusing.

      The Eritrean Catholic Bishops are NOT politicizing things and are NOT for a regime change as semere tesfai et al would argue.

      The Christian/Catholic Faith and the Church Teachings are based on Hard Core Values and Principles for the interest of the world and its people.

      Unfortunately,what the Christian Church teaches and what the “Faithful” and their Leaders act and live might NOT be consistent with the spirit of the original teachings of the Christian Faith/Church,where the big problem lies; and when the Church and its leadership are judged by what the Faithful and its Leadership act/live and practice.

      And I do not blame naive people like Nitric,who declared here that the Core values of the Catholic Church is “Child Molestation” simply coz few sick Clergy molested innocent kids.

      This is NOT new and Jesus Christ knew it from the get to go when he said:

      “Netti ziblukhum deA’ ghiberu ember netti zighberiwos aytigberu”.

      He was talking about the “Ferisawian”/Pharisees,who enforce the Law on the Faithful to do what the Old Testament told /taught them to do but act themselves(the Pharisees)other wise differently.

      This is the modus operandi in all types of religions and Governments/societies.

      Case in point,the Police are trained to be the Law Enforcers and they chase “criminal and drug dealers” but we were told that the same Police are/is the top notch drug dealers.

      Granted,your opinion is respected but did not expect you to generalize things based on how some naive Christians practice tradition and a cultist culture rather than real Christianity.
      Note:
      I am quite familiar with the Classic anecdote you brought up among the ill-informed and less trained/less evangelized tradition -based Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians,both the Tehado and Catholic faithful

      My friends, Drs TekhleAb and Fistum(specially Dr Fitsum) were chased for reforming that kind of tradition-based Christian Practices,and that was the main reason why the PFDJ Regime targeted them for awakening the Tewahdo Youth through their new Charismatic Movement and Renewal of the Tewahdo Church of Eritrea.
      IA wants to keep the Eri Orthodox Church weak,divided and ignorant-in its dormant status quo so as to control the Tewahdo Church Leadership and thereby control the Faithful.
      Dr Fistum was found to be a serious threat to PIA’s Policy on the Eri Tewahdo Church.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Hope as well as Awate people,

        There are very serious issue in this regime’s expropriation of catholic church properties. I heard the video and read the english translation of Bishop Fikremariam Hagos’s address to his parishers as posted on Eritrea Digest. He said something extremely serious like this:

        “What saddens us most is the fact that government doctors have forcefully wrenched off oxygen cannulas from patients. We all should understand that such acts are against the law and constitute as violations of human rights. A patient has the right and liberty to seek medical assistance and services from any medical institution of his choice”.

        First, such inhuman acts is right against educational & professional oath that a health professional stand for. As serious as it is, do you think the escalation of the problem is competition for patients? Is the government trying to bring patients to government hospitals and its new graduate doctors, by closing the catholic clinics that apparently people prefer to go. Again it is very serious issue that violates people’s rights, but instead of passing saying this government does things with no reason or might be in revenge for the church’s repeated calls for dialogue and democratic practices, it is important to dig into any other possible origin of the issue, given health professionals appear to be implicated in the illegal act. Do you have any insight on this?

        P.S. Hope, sorry, I dropped the plan to go into decorticating the phraseology of politics & religion and dragging the discussion into it as the illegal acts and their consequences are more important to debate on.

        • Selam Haile S.,

          It is impossible to believe that such things happen in this 21st century and at the hands of medical professionals that oxygen masks are removed from patients who are in need of oxygen with the result they get short of breath and suffocated and may even die of anoxemia, in some cases.

          I do not know what percentage of the eritrean society has access to medical services that the regime has the luxury to take over clinics, which it may be forced to close, because it doesn’t have the economic strength to continue giving services, instead of opening more clinics and health centers on top of what others are ready to help. At the same time, patients may not have the luxury to choose between clinics and hospitals, because of shortage of services. What is not in shortage are patients in a third world country where health services are not adequate.

          Antisocial political practices of such type show that every logic has been lost, and citizens are victims of irrational and dangerous behaviors, which is manifested even in health professionals, and patients who are lying in beds are not spared. If the regime is afraid of healthy citizens, it shows that it is afraid of its own shadows.

          If the catholic church is opposed to dictatorship, certainly, it is not doing it through treating patients. Healthy citizens are a big asset for a country. Patients are not given leaflets that oppose the regime, but prescriptions for their diseases. A certain level of sound judgement is appropriate. Such behavior will drive away organizations that are ready to help, unless the self-reliance myth is still the regime’s guiding philosophy.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon and Desbele,

            Sorry for lumping my response to both. I agree completely with both of you. Desbele, yes I agree the regime is capable of forcing its way and is the reason for the professionals to leave Eritrea at all costs. I was not even trying to find a rational reason to the irrational, illegal & inhuman measures the regime took. I was just surprised that the bishop says ‘the government doctors….’ hinting at the doctors being part of the act. That was the origin of my interrogation. Not that patients are getting scarce, but their preference for the efficient catholic clinics might be underestimating the efficiency of the government (that we already know if far inefficient & incompetent in many aspects) driving it to such insane measures. Otherwise I agree with you guys, no amount of clinics can be enough to alleviate the needs of the country.

        • Desbele

          Hi Haile,
          I think everything just has to do with the bloody regime retaliating the Catholic’s stand against tyranny and a desperate futile effort in silencing their voice.
          As the regime is in total control of the individual, i dont be surprised if it deployed health professionals at gun point in dismantling medical equipments from the patients. It is unlikely the professionals would protest as it would definitely mean detention or arrest. Remember such stupid orders against professionalism are sometimes the cause of exile for some professionals. It really is morally hard to cooperate in such heinous criminal acts of the regime. Therefore many would just leave the country as they would not be able to take any more of this kind of madness and it never stops. I once witnessed arms distributed to health professionals inside Ghindae hospital in 2012. The regime would have been able to do so in some other ways. But it is Shaebia- “NEWRAM”. No qualms to its stupidity.
          Eritrea is in shortage of health facilities and the presence of health centers run by the Catholics is just a supplement to the existing government health services. Yes people prefer to go to the Catholics health centers as they are run more efficient. But they are far fewer in number and distribution.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    Please allow me to say few things about the topic of Catholic Charity and the Eritrean government policy.

    1. – Religious belief is individual prerogative that belongs between the individual believer and his/her God – at home and in his/her place of worship. The Eritrean government is for all faiths ethnics regions, believers and non believers alike. But religion is not.

    2. – No one has any problem with religious charitable services that are provided to our poor communities. But we also know there is NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. There are no free services and free giveaways in this world. None whatsoever. Why would any nation, religious institution, charitable organization…. travel half the world to provide FREE food, free shelter, free education, and free health services when they have their own homeless, their own hungry, their own destitute people just around the corner? It doesn’t add up; does it?

    3. – ERITREA WAS FOUNDED BY CATHOLIC MISSIONARIES WHO WERE CARRYING A BIBLE. If anything has changed over the years, it is the use of locals to do the same job. And there are many naive, selfish, vindictive, sellouts, slaved-minded folks who would parrot talking points of foreign interests with or without knowing the details.

    4. – Therefore it is not the charitable givings, services, and works of the the Catholic Church that people are against. It is the, religious institutions being used as tools of regime change agendas, to advance foreign interests at the expense of of the interest of the Eritrea people, that the Eritrean people are against. Do you remember Father ZerAy and his charitable contribution to the Eritrean people? That kind.

    5. – So, there is a law in Eritrea enacted, I believe in 1995, that standardizes the laws, the rules and the regulations of religions and religious institutions in Eritrea. And briefly the law says:

    (a) if any religious institution wants to provide charitable services to the public, it is free to do so. But it has to be regulated by the government of Eritrea, and the religious institution must comply with all the laws rules and regulations of the nation.

    (b) All of the funds to operate the charitable services must come from domestic sources. Any fund that comes from foreign sources must be reported to the government, and must be approved by the government of Eritrea before it reaches that religious institution’s bank account.

    (c) Each year, all religious institutions funds, be from domestic or foreign sources, are subject to audit by the Eritrean government. If a religious institution fails the audit, or if a charitable institution (religious or non religious) fails to disclose its source of income in good faith, that religious or charitable institution’s service license would be taken away.

    (d) In Eritrea, there is a separation of state and religion. Religious institutions should not involve themselves in politics, and the state should not involve itself in the spiritual teachings of religious institutions.

    (e) It is against the law for any religious institution to run political campaigns, political propagandas, regime change agendas, foreign interest agendas, to advance for or against government policies, to incite internal unrest, to harm the nation’s unity……..

    (d) Any non-spiritual foreigner employee of a religious or charitable institution must be approved by the government of Eritrea prior to his/her hiring.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Semere Tesfai,
      Eritrea has a constitution and a parliament. An illegitimate government is suppressing Eritreans. Eritreans have a right to organize any which way they wish, try to better themselves and to voice an opinion. The Eritrean Catholic Bishops have amply replied to the points you raise.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Abrehet & Awatewian,

        Eritreans are faced with a regime that considers itself as the Absolute, a “Weird God”, an entity that floods, burns and sends its wrath without accountability. Once it says and decides, the people have to submit and surrender. Constitutional governance and due process are not in its vocabulary. There is no God or Constitution above it. It is the absolute doer and destructor of the bad and the good. It cannot commit a mistake. Everybody and everything stands against it. It sensationalizes every thing. Whatever bad happens to the country, it is the responsibility of someone, never of itself. Any positive that happens in the country, it puts it as its achievement, as the case of Eudorcas Tilonura this weekend. If you have seen the top news at shabait this time, it is the return of the Eritrean Gazelle (probably evaded observation or came back from Sudan or Ethiopia). The return of the poor and beautiful Gazelle is good (not its fault), but shouldn’t the regime been better seen and accepted positively if it had done its job in bringing back the human refugees from Sudan, Ethiopia and everywhere else rather than concentrating on a natural history (a responsibility of a department) and a religious skirmish that could be dealt wrathless-ly with proper legal channels? It has been a year since peace was implemented between Ethiopia and Eritrea. The Ethiopian PM did innumerable positive things to his country, we haven’t seen anything significant to talk of in Eritrea except the apparition of this Gazelle. Lets welcome back the Eritrean Gazelle aka Heuglin’s Gazelle!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat,

          Eritreans have never seen any kind of positive thing from their government. And they will never see positive thing from the kind of regime we have. Our problem iswith those of Eritreans who expect change from tyrannical regime including yourself, Hailat. Like many tyrannical regime’s it is not even a benevolent autocratic regime. It is a regime with its unique cruel animalistic behavior. Few minutes ago I read an article by Dr Tesfa at Assenna. He described his evil act as “the wagon of expulsion and migration” whose whole intention is to empty our dear country. Visit the website and read the piece.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            መቸም ቅልስ ኣብ ዓውዲ ኣይትጸግብን ኢኻ! It seems we are for sometime, you reproaching me for not calling the regime to get destroyed and I telling you to let go the vengefulness and your confidence on our immediate south. I don’t see an end to this.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hailat,

            To fight in bringing the cruel regime to justice has never been the acts of vengefulness. Never will be. I am not from those who are demanding amnesty in lieu of justice and who neglect the cries of the families of the victims of the regime for justice. I will keep fighting for them to get justice in future Eritrea if we are going to see it. Let me reiterate again that to demand justice for the victims and the victimizer is not vengeance.

            Regard

          • Haile S.

            Dear Emma,

            As long as we have you, the only champion, I don’t mind getting counted among those who neglect the cries.
            Regards

    • Desbele

      Selam Semere, I
      Good to know there’s a law that strikes once in a while like lighting
      Continue enlighten us
      What’s the law to detain the 5 monks of Debrebizen this month ?

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Desbele

        “What’s the law to detain the 5 monks of Debrebizen this month?”

        I don’t work for the PFDJ government. I don’t speak for the PFDJ government. I don’t exactly know what happened in Debrebizen. You’re asking the wrong guy.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Semere,

          What makes one to be PFDJ than defending the regime at any cost. I have never seen criticizing the regime even one day. We are only watching you defending it for any kind of criticism it. Pls don’t tell us that you are not PFDJ. Your action tells us everything that you are.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            “What makes one to be PFDJ than defending the regime at any cost. I have never seen criticizing the regime even one day.”

            Ok, since you Amanuel H have (a) only seen/read me defending/agreeing with the PFDJ regime everytime and (b) never ever seen/read me criticizing the PFDJ regime; you reached a conclusion with confidence that I’m a PFDJ supporter. Fair enough!

            But, but, but in order for your premise to be true, it must be a premise that can be replicated every time.

            So, if I Semere Tesfai (a) only saw/read you defending/agreeing with the TPLF thugs everytime and (b) never ever saw/read you criticizing the TPLF thugs – then what does that make you?

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Semere,

            I defended EPRDF for its economic policy, I have never defended TPLF as organization. But for you PFDJites, defending EPRDF is defending TPLF. And I can not help your failures to comprehend the differences despite Ethiopia is governed for almost three decades. No matter what game of politics you want to play, the fact Ethiopia is governed by EPRDF front-party till this date.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman-H; I thought PMZZ; your god, was a TPLF, no?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            no no, remember what u have said earlier, u said u don’t even know the economic policy of eprdf, u haven’t read it and u don’t even know it existed, so economic policy of eprdf was NOT the reason why u defended eprdf.
            remember what i keep telling u about ” foot soldier”. that is the reason and the prove is ur own words.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            TA,

            Can you write normal English to understand you? I can’t make any sense from your writings. It looks and sounds like street language that I am not familiar with.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            which one of it “looks and sound like street language”? Foot soldier ?foot soldier is not a street language. Which one is that u don’t understand?

    • Brhan

      Hello Semere,
      First of all thank you a current Eritrean issues to this forum which is flooded by Ethiopian issues ( I am saying the Ethiopian issues are boring to the contrary they are not with their suspense and Agatha Christie type plots).
      But my question to you is since when does the Eritrean government has a policy. The word policy is absent in the regime’s vocabulary. A policy is about integrity. If you argue that there has been a policy and my question will be since when? Did the Catholic Churches’ medical clinic appear just a few days ago to be shut by the “policy ‘ of the government. You know it that they have been operated since 40s or 50s of the last century and they have been operating since 1991/1993 and were closed June 2019.
      It is not about policy. The regime doesn’t know what a policy is and it has only its mafia type of work” . The regime closed the clinics not due to a ‘policy’ but due to the fact that the priests of the Catholic churches stood against the government with regard to plight of Eritreans.
      It is a vendetta! Not a policy.
      I salute them for their stand that they showed within the country. May the Mufti of Eritrea the Orthodox and Protestant religious leaders follow the example of these brave men.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Brhan

        1. – “The priests of the Catholic churches stood against the government with regard to plight of Eritreans.”

        Who represents the Eritrean people – the government or the Catholic Churches?

        2. – “I salute the Priests of Catholic Churches for the stand that they showed within the country.”

        What is the role of priests and religious institutions outside spiritual teachings?

        Semere Tesfai

        • Brhan

          Selam Semere

          The train has already started and in it are young men and women, elders men and women and of course religious people .
          I am sorry if you are still wondering in the station. It is too late for me to wonder with you in the station.
          Bye

    • Amanuel

      Hi ST
      Welcome back.
      Some how I was thinking about you few days ago. Generally, I was wondering about what keep the blind supporters captivated and you came to my mind. Actually I felt sorry in the end as I don’t think you are on the payroll of the regime.

      Coming back to the issue at hand I have few points
      1) The Catholic Church and it’s charitable work existed for centuries and it was never against government. There is no evidence to back up your claim of regime change.
      2) You listed some rules but you didn’t provide if any of these rules are broken.
      3) If you believe on a rule of law why are you shy about discussing the way these medical centres are looted? Doctors accompanied by solders looted functioning health centres. This kind of behaviour is not even expected from ጭፍራ ወዲ ሓደራ።

      • Nitricc

        Why would any nation, religious institution, charitable
        organization…. travel half the world to provide FREE food, free shelter, free
        education, and free health services when they have their own homeless, their
        own hungry, their own destitute people just around the corner? It doesn’t add
        up; does it?

        Hey Amanuel; the above is the take of Semere-T; what is you answer for that inquiry? Do you believe your beloved white catholic people are giving free stuff so they can go to heaven? What is your take?

        • Amanuel

          Hi Nitricc
          Yes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amanuel; Yes, what? Doesn’t add up or it does? which one is it?

          • Amanuel

            Hi Nitricc
            Yes, to this “Do you believe your beloved white catholic people are giving free stuff so they can go to heaven?”

    • Hope

      Welcome back Semere !

      I missed you.

      With all due respect comrade,unless you are Catholic or Christian of any Denomination for the matter;and unless you are an insider, who knows how things work,you would not have said what you said .

      I will counter-challenge your long hateta but with full of naivety and lack of basic knowledge.
      Stay tuned.

      Regret to be “ rude” to my fav awatista but you attempted to be more Catholic than the Pope.

      Just an FYI:
      The Catholic Church that I know and belong to is NOT a CIA funded “ Pentecostal” Church to the dirt job like has been in Latin America neither is a Wahhabism entity funded Political Religious Organization.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Hope

        I miss you too my favorite Awatista – Hope. And thank you for the warm welcome. I’m not used to this kind of reception. It means a lot to me.

        But honestly, I don’t deserve your warm welcome. I’m still feeling guilty for not coming to your defence, when you and Blink were waterboarded here for days with no mercy.
        Fortunately Blink is recovering well. I just visited him carrying ግሬን this past weekend. We had our laughs and moments to reflect. This Catholic thing was his vibe, I’m just covering for him.

        Well, Hope, bring it on; but please be gentle on me, I haven’t fully recovered from………….. 🙂

        Semere Tesfai

        • Hope

          Selam Vet Semere Tesfay:

          Apologies in advance if I was offensive at all.
          I try my best to know more about something and people before i make judgements,at least I have learned to do so.

          My thread/response to Hailat got lost,which could have addressed some of your concerns.

          Here is what I know about the Catholic Church,its weaknesses and its Stand on Social Justice.

          As a Universal Church of Christ and as a Christ’s Rep in this earthly world,its/her Teachings are based on the Scripture(including the Traditions as long as they are consistent with the spirit of the Scripture).

          The CORE Teachings of the Church are:

          -Spreading the GOOD NEWS/Word of God and Serving the TRUTH,Justice and Equality for all irrespective of any body’s background.

          -Loving,Sharing and Forgiveness are the Guiding Principles
          Hence,the Pastoral Letters and Calls for Genuine Reconciliation and Social Justice by the Conference of the Catholic Bishops of Eritrea in particular, and that of the Universal Church/Catholic Church in general are based on the above Core Principles and Guidelines.

          As such,the Catholic Church has had a MORAL and Legitimate/Christian/Biblical/Theological/Biblical OBLIGATION to fulfill her duties by all means possible and under any circumstance no matter what and irrespective of what…and no matter who is in power or who the Leader is when the Church witnesses INJUSTICE of any kind and of any gravity or magnitude.
          That is EXACTLY what the Catholic Church of Eritrea has done thus far,belatedly,in fact.

          The role of the Church of Social Justice:

          I do not have time and space to list the incredible contributions o f the Church for the needy world.
          Hint:
          -Has built developed,runs and manages some of the best Schools,Colleges and Healthcare Systems for humanities of all background all over the world in general and in Eritrea in Particular.
          -Eritrea Specific:
          -Introduced the best Education system and institutions in Eritrea
          -The best Kindergartens,Elementary and High Schools
          -The Asmera Univ the St Joseph Schools,the Comboni and Santa Familia are some of them
          -Has built and runs some of the most efficient Clinics,Health Centers in Eritrea all over Eritrea all the way to the REMOTEST Places in Eritrea from Binbina/Bishuka to karora all the way to the deserts of Denkalia.. and serves the most neglected,the most vulnerable and the most needy members of our Communities–the children,the sick Mothers,the elderly and the AIDS patients…
          -It was the Catholic Church,which had reached and responded to the CAL when Eritrea and Eritreans were going through HELL during the Derghi regime. and saved the poor,the malnourished,the sick…to the thirsty..by rsiking her Clergy and Staff to the roadside bombs and AEDs planted by the Derghi regime where some of the Clergy survived the assassination attempts for reaching t the needy Eritreans under the EPLF control.
          I was there,have seen that and and done that.

          Fr Kibrom of Beggu survived the assassination attempt thru the roadside bomb planted by the Derghi Commandos between Hagaz and Ashera while he was driving to help the needy poor deki Ashera…

          The Myth:
          The Catholic Church is a chid molester…CIA and Western Intelligence Agent and Racist.
          Am fully aware of the 16th century Church History and as recent history as that of the Italian Colonizers in Eritrea and the way the so called “catholics” have treated minorities in the USA.Europe and how the Vatican runs its business….with corruptions …

          Facts:
          Yes the Catholic Clergy are human beings and as such,commit sins and do mistakes but way less than the community (less than 0.01%).
          But we CANNOT judge the Catholic Church by the mistakes and sins of her few weak and meek human beings but by 99.999% of her good works for Equal Social Justice.ad by the Core Principles and Guidelines she follows and teaches.

          The catholic CHURCH does NOT and cannot teach such dirty and immoral things and CANNOT and should NOT be judged by the way her weak members talk, act and live.

          Back to the BRAVE Leadership of the Eritrean Catholic Leadership and its BOLD and BRAVE Actions:
          Semere Tesfay knows better than any one else how the PFDJ Regime has tortured Eritreans and led to close collapse of the Hopeful Nation said to be the DREAM and HOPE of Africa.
          The Catholic Bishops of Eritrea are the eye witness accounts of the atrocities and corruptions in Eritreans and as such,they cannot remain silent but speak up as they have a MORAL,LEGAL,Godly/Biblical/Theological Obligation to ACT for JUSTICE to prevail..
          They have done JUST that and they will keep FIGHTING to the last minute.
          Semere Tesfay et al have ONLY one or two options:
          Either join the Justice Seeking Bishops or ZIP.

          Official Disclaimer/Note:
          That is what the awate.com and its Editor and OWNER as done for the last 20 yrs.

          I ACKNOWLEDGE OPENLY, appreciate and CHERISH what he and his Team have done.
          They have done the same thing the Catholic Bishops are doing…in a different way.
          No offense(apolges on board if perceived as such) but I wish I could baptize him to be a New Born Christian/Catholic,who is ONE,in spirit BTW.

          There is a NEW BORN Sudanese Christian,who was a fanatic Muslim,,who is now changing the Sudan…spiritually.

          I cannot wait to NOMINATE SGJ as the Min of Info and Commissioner of the Religious Affairs in future Eritrea so as to bring together BETTER the Eri Muslim-Christian Communities.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hope,

            I didn’t receive a response from you. I hope it was not water-boarded 🙂 🙂 🙂 .

            ኣነ ድኣ እዚ ላዕለዋይ ‘ወኢትጽሕፍ ለኃጢኣነ’ ኢሉ ኢድካ ሒዙካ ኣሎ ኢለ እንድየ ነይረ።

          • Nitricc

            -Spreading the GOOD NEWS/Word of God and Serving the TRUTH,Justice and Equality for all irrespective of any body’s background.

            Hi Hope: aren’t you forgetting one of the catholic church core value? Abusing little boys? why are you omitting the absolute truth? Tell the whole story.

          • Hope

            Selamat Nittric;
            Sorry Gen:

            I am hereby ripping you off your General Status and down-grading /demoting you to an “Asir Aleka”.

            Ask Guad Abinet.

            This is coz you are regurgitating what the PFDJ intoxicated and brain-washed few YPFDJ and the Sell OUT TN.Com and ist gangs are talking dirt about the Catholic Church,who have NO clue about the Catholic Church.

            Please read Hope again and come back to your senses!
            “The Myth:

            “The Catholic Church is a chid molester…CIA and Western Intelligence Agent and Racist.”.

            “Am fully aware of the 16th century Church History and the recent history of the Italian Colonizers in Eritrea and the way the so called “catholics” have treated minorities in the USA,Europe and how the Vatican runs its business and its corruptions .”..

            “Facts:
            Yes the Catholic Clergy are human beings and as such,commit sins and do mistakes but way less than the community (less than 0.01%).
            But we CANNOT judge the Catholic Church by the mistakes and sins of her few weak and meek human beings but by 99.999% of her good works for Equal Social Justice.ad by the Core Principles and Guidelines she follows and teaches.

            The Catholic CHURCH does NOT and cannot teach such dirty and immoral things and CANNOT and should NOT be judged by the way her weak members talk, act and live.”

            Nittric:

            The Catholic Clergy is/are Human Beings like me and you.
            They are NOT angels but weak Human Beings.
            Their crime rate (child molesting) is less than 0.01%,way below the regular community ‘crime rate”.

            This is NOT to support or sympathize with the few criminals but just to confirm to you that these few Clergy are but desperado human beings,who might be sick psychologically and forced to do what they are accused of coz of the unrealistic and impractical Policy of the Church-to stay Celibate…,which is still NOT an excuse to commit such a horrible crime.

            One more thing:

            The enemies of the Catholic Church and some opportunists have used this sad incident for cheap opportunism and secondary gain.

            To that effect,the Church lost/paid off more than $1.5 Billion and most Dioceses declared and filed for bankruptcy.

            Note:
            We are all sinners and have our own skeletons under….

            Jesus said:

            “Let those,who claim to be free from sin,cast the first stone unto her”.
            “Then,all of those,who were ready to stone her to death with darba emni,quietly left the scene’.

            “Then Jesus Christ advised that “victim” ,the alleged “adulterer”/sinner,to go home and told her that she is forgiven”.

            Dude:
            The Catholic Bishops of Eritrean are begging and calling us and the stone-headed criminal Regime for a Genuine National Reconciliation and UNITY unconditionally for the best INTEREST of Eritrea and Eritreans by saying::

            ” Let us forgive and forget and reconcile as we all have sinned”.

            They are calling for the past due Genuine National Reconciliation so that Eritrea shall be in Peace within it/herself and Eritreans shall be in peace among ourselves and thereby we shall claim the lost opportunities and make Eritrea the GREATEST Nation EVER…then the sky shall be the limit and NO one one shall dare to bite her/it and Eritreans let alone to threaten her/it or sanction it/her…

            And as if this noble cause and call was/were a serious crime and a National Security Threat,the sadist regime retaliated swiftly by looting and closing the very Institutions the Poor Eritreans need to survive.

            Rather,what the regime is doing to Eritrea and Eritreans is a
            serious National Security THREAT.

            Semere and Nittric:

            This is NOT Rocket Science.

            There was a reason as to why Prof Dr,Salih A A Younis declared:”TWIGAH EMMO”.

            Cc:
            Semere Tesfai and Georgee.
            TN.com and its Gang
            May God bless Eritrea and Eritreans.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Hope; I didn’t even read anything on TN; all I am saying is this world would have been better without all religions. Not only “”Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses.” But
            “Without religion, we’d have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
            Just telling it as is, Hope.

          • Hi Nitricc,

            I can only speak of the Christian religion, the religion i know.
            You brought the concept of good and bad, and may have in mind the concept of right and wrong and morality and immorality. Where did human beings get these concepts in the first place? Was it from science which is only about 500 yrs old or religion that is 3000 yrs old. Human beings lived with these concepts long before science had anything to do with their lives. Good people and evil people are concepts derived from religion, the religions you accuse and demean for modernity sake.

            You equate religion and its teachings to the behavior of its functionaries (priests and others). Man can make a choice and unfortunately he has a greedy self-centered nature and almost always makes the wrong choice. He says he will serve God and he serves himself, his nature that is no superior to that of an animal. He believes to be of a superior nature (he could be one), but with his actions he shows what a despicable animal he is (most of them). If Catholic priests are pedophiles, it is not the religion that is at fault, but the person who says that he is serving God and religion, and ends up serving his selfish nature and his animal instincts.

            Take politics; there is good politics and bad politics, democracy and dictatorship. IA (whom you support), has made the wrong choice, dictatorship. Should you blame politics and not the culprits, IA and his supporters, as long as they have the right to choose between good and bad politics, and especially when you look at the consequences to the people?

            Is nature responsible for the last heat wave over europe, with temperatures rising above 45 degrees celcius in France, the ice melting in greenland and releasing greenhouse gases, methane and CO2? Scientists say that unless fossil fuel burning is decreased, drought, floods and famine will force millions of people in the third world countries to migrate to other places. Greedy people like trump deny that there is such a problem as climate change and future climatological catastrophe, and supports the increase in fossil fuel production and burning, for the sake of the billions he and his billionaire friends will amass, and does not care if the rest of humanity goes to hell.

            Therefore, one should not condemn the law, but those who break the law, those who choose to do bad when they could do good, those who enslave others when they could free them, those who are ready to destroy when they could preserve, etc.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Horizon; Simply put: ” “Civilization will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest.”

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hope Nebsy

            First allow me say, thank you for all the respect and thank you for engaging – in advance. Now that out of the way, let me respond to your comment line by line.

            1.- “Apologies in advance if I was offensive at all.”

            Don’t you worry Hope. Be as assertive, as aggressive, and as abrasive as you can be to make your point. When I jump to the lair/den of Awate I expect nothing less.

            2. – “Here is what I know about the Catholic Church,its weaknesses and its Stand on Social Justice.”

            Please, please, please let’s not talk about a specific faith and let’s not single-out the Catholic Church. That is going to lead us into unnecessary side-issues, in which neither of us want to get into. Instead, let’s talk about comprehensive issues that apply to every faith in the nation – the right of religious beliefs, the responsibility and duties of religious leaders, and the role of religions institutions.

            3. – “The Pastoral Letters and Calls for Genuine Reconciliation and Social Justice by the Conference of the Catholic Bishops of Eritrea in particular and that of the Universal Church/Catholic Church in general, are based on the above Core Principles and Guidelines.”
            Few points here:
            (a) ስለምንታይ እዩ ኩሉሳዕ፡ ብምዕራባዊ ዓለም ነጎዳ ክነጉድ ከሎን፡ ኤርትራ ብጸሊም ናይ ፕሮፖጋንዳ ደበና ክትሽፈን ከላን፡ መስትያት ናይ ‘ዚ ተርእዮ ‘ዚ፡ ኣብ ቤተ-ክርስትያናት ካቶሊኽ በርቒ መስ-መስ ዝብል? Why is it so predictable and so obvious, why is it every time Sheila B. Keetharuth or Daniela Kravetz intensified their Human Rights campaign, the Catholic Priests call for justice? Can you tell me why?

            (b) When the Catholic Priests call for “genuine reconciliation” aren’t they implying that there is division in Eritrean society? When the catholic Priests call for “Social Justice” aren’t they implying that there is no social justice in Eritrea? When the Catholic Church call for prayers aren’t they inciting uprising to destabilize the government? Is that what their role ought to be in Eritrean society?

            (c) If the Catholic Priests are fighters for “Social Justice” and for “Genuine Reconciliation” aren’t they becoming political activists? And if they are in the business of political activism aren’t they breaking the Eritrean laws (separation of religion and state)? Without a doubt, the Catholic Bishops are breaking the Eritrean laws intentionally, daring the Eritrean government to take actions against them. As spiritual leaders is that what they ought to do?

            4. – “The Catholic Bishops of Eritrea are the eye witness accounts of the atrocities and corruptions in Eritreans and as such,they cannot remain silent but speak up as they have a MORAL, LEGAL, Godly/Biblical/Theological Obligation to ACT for JUSTICE to prevail. They have done JUST that and they will keep FIGHTING to the last minute.”

            Hope: The Catholic Priests can’t be priests and political activists all at the same time. They have to choose one. When it comes to crimes and corruptions the Catholic Priests have plenty of their own to deal with before preaching righteousness to others.

            5. – Eritrea is a nation of many faiths. What we need is one standard law that guides all Eritrean faiths. We don’t want the Eritrean Tewahdo Orthodox Church to advance Ethiopian interest at the expense of Eritrean interest. We don’t want our Muslim brothers to advance our neighboring Arab interests at the expense of Eritrean interest. And we don’t want Eritrean Catholic and Protestant Churches to advance Western interests at the expense of Eritrean interest. We want all Eritrean faiths to abide by the standard Eritrean laws, rules, and regulations that apply to all equally. No exception, period.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hope

            Selam Semere:
            Thanks for the response.
            Will call you back.
            In the meantime,read about Liberation Theology.

            Few FACTS to consider as a starter:

            -There is NO Rule of Law in Eritrea,to my best knowledge

            -There is NO Justice in Eritrea

            -There is NO basic Freedom to work ,to go to schools(Private School options),to gather,to express oneself and to earn a living let alone to do business in Eritrea

            -There is NO more Family Value any more in Eritrea

            -Innocent people including Teens, Religious Leaders ,Teachers,Civil Servants ,Doctors,etc…,who could have contributed in nation Building,are detained,kidnapped and or killed or nowhere to be spotted..

            -The Youth is in trenches still despite peace deal with Ethiopia and the border is NOT yet demarcated –,the very reasons,we have been kept Hostages.

            Any reason to be kept hostages further/anymore?
            Due to the above,the Youth left the nation…..10 % of our people is gone in 15 yrs.

            Why can’t we improve these basic things ?
            Those are the basic issues the Catholic Bishops of Eritrea are addressing or expressing.

            Do you agree with the above facts and the Mission of the Bold Eritrean Catholic Leadership?

            Yes or no?

            Either way,please clarify one by one.You told us that you have never been to Eritrea for 12 yrs or so..
            If so,how can you challenge the same people witnessing the above facts and living it ?
            If I were Semere,I would just keep quite…

            I found your response to my common sense commnet very EMBARRASSING and disappointing:
            4. – “The Catholic Bishops of Eritrea are the eye witness accounts of the atrocities and corruptions in Eritreans and as such,they cannot remain silent but speak up as they have a MORAL, LEGAL, Godly/Biblical/Theological Obligation to ACT for JUSTICE to prevail. They have done JUST that and they will keep FIGHTING to the last minute.”

            Semere declared:

            ‘Hope: The Catholic Priests can’t be priests and political activists all at the same time. They have to choose one. When it comes to crimes and corruptions the Catholic Priests have plenty of their own to deal with before preaching righteousness to others”.

            I keep telling you that fighting for ” Social Justice” is the core principle and obligation of the Christian Church.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hope

            1. – You said, in Eritrea “there is no rule of law; there is no justice – men women children professionals religious leaders…… are languishing in jail without a day in court ; there is no right to work; there is no right to run your own business; there is no family value; youth are in trenches without time limit, 10% of the Eritrean population left the country in the past 15 years alone…….. and more”

            Hope: This is my take on these issues you raised above:
            A. – Even if all your claims are true – which are not – still, the Catholic Church as a spiritual institution, doesn’t have any business involving itself in Eritrean politics. If it does, nothing good will come out of it; because it is not good at it, and it is not suited for it. The Catholic Church is an interest group. By its very formation, the catholic Church represents only the narrow interest of its constituents. And Eritrea is more than the narrow constituents of the Catholic Church.

            Again, we all Eritreans should tell the religious institutions to stay out of Eritrean politics – all in one voice. Let them stick to what they know best: spiritual teachings. Let the politicians, the party bosses, and the technocrats do their job. Politicking and governing are the the business of politicians, not religious leaders and religious institutions.

            There is no justifiable reason that would allow a religious institution to involve itself in the business of politics. None!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hope

            Thank You Veteran Semere Tesfay for engaging.
            I stand firm on my stand and comments as I ONLY stated the facts and the truth as they are.
            Note:
            I have seen that,I have been there and I have done that,i.e.,I am an EYEWITNESS Account of what I stated above…and I am nOT quoting the awate.com archives and/or the COIE or Ms .Elsa Chyrum.
            Plus,as I attempted to convince you what the Catholic Church of eritrea is doing is what it is supposed to say and to do.

            The Eritrean Catholic Church does NOT and cannot even dream about involving it/herself in Regime Change in any way.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hope

            “Plus,as I attempted to convince you what the Catholic Church of eritrea is doing is what it is supposed to say and to do.”

            Hope: please allow me to make few points and I’ll be out of your hair.

            1. – What would the Catholic Church Priests accomplish, that fourty plus Eritrean opposition organizations couldn’t?

            2. – We have Muslims, Catholics, and Christians from every denomination in the Eritrean opposition organizations. What brand new revelations are the Catholic priests going to bring to the fore, that others haven’t?

            3. – Religious leaders as messengers of God, preach words of God to their faithful. But political speeches are not even close to Gods words.
            Now tell me: When religious leaders start becoming political activists and behave like politicians, when religious leaders talk politics passionately associating their personal/group opinion with words of God, are they helping their church and their own faithful religious followers?
            Remember: for example all Catholics don’t have the same opinion about the PFDJ regime and its policies.

            Hope: thank you for engaging, and thank you for all the respect. Thanks again.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere Tesfay,

            The holy books teach about human right advocacy. Hence the Catholic leaders in Eritrea are doing just that. You are not versed about it. But, knowingly or unknowingly, beneficiary or not, you have to defend the inhumane regime at the cost of Eritrean lives.

        • Blink

          Dear Mr.semere

          Long time sir , I hope you are doing great , Just out of respect for you sir , I will not say much about the evil deeds of this particular so called religious missionaries work . The church of morality and purity has seen its fair share of dark deeds and their mark is everywhere and I can’t be expected to put them here all . Of course I am not trying to explain Pius activity with Hitler and nor do I ignore the the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, collaboration and in some instances emulation and these acts were grounded in a pure religious views .As always nothing bothers me more than a religious disease lurking around our society for the known evil things they do , they have mastered the art of control and cry babies faces , but how can such disease be allowed to fester in ? I mean as you said nothing is free and note that these religious idiots were acting on behalf of someone with deep motivation to really put their virus deep in to our society. I believe the Catholics can go to Vatican or something else where they can zoom in freely .

          By the way all these so apologists who lurks the freedom holla bla are all dictators .

          • Hope

            Selam Blink:
            Unwelcome comeback!
            I wish religion did not exist but it is only UNFAIR to generalize and make a blanket accusation .
            I thought you would CONDEMN the PFDJ CRUELTY FIRST before you curse religion.
            Look at what the PFDJ is doing to the Catholic Church and its Life-saving Clinics and Health Centers.
            Am NOT sure we Eritreans will come back to our senses and develop a real democratic and prosperous Eritrea if we continue what we have been doing for the last 20 yrs.

            We cannot even get together and come up with a tangible and concrete agenda as well as an effective and efficient strategy .

            We have let down our heroes and heroines,Religious Leaders,Teachers,Doctors ,the Youth and the Teens to get kidnapped ,kept incommunicado and in jails and /or killed on a day light in front for our eyes by a single-man system.
            This is the worst Eritrea and Eritreans can and could see and experience …..

          • Blink

            Dear Hope
            Thanks for the welcome , hope you are not my favourite person to disagree with , I don’t understand how religion can define someone’s true love for freedom. Catholics, orthodox, Muslims, pentes and all other crazy people really don’t deserve to have a day in any political debate as these institutions are all against freedom . These people don’t deserve even to get any time slots.

            Sorry hope this religion thing for me is simply more evil than Issias evilness and of Issias tried his best to destroy these institutions in Eritrea even by one hour , it is always a welcome thing for me .

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Blink,

            I do not see the need for imported religions in Eritrea. When the Europeans were worshipping stones and trees, we were already worshipping the true GOD, and praying facing Yerushaleyim.

            These foreign religions are an excuse for spreading g-a–y-ism and making it mainstream. It is well known that trainee priests in Catholic seminaries in Europe spend a great deal of their time, between prayers, on twisted websites.

            All rational people know the correct address for s–e–x. This address is not the organ connected to the large intestine. Sending the Human Reproduction Fluid in the wrong channel is utter sickness.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            All our religions were started in the Middle East and they spread elsewhere. How did you have a religion before Europe?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            We are part of the Middle East. Our culture, our main languages, and our religions are Middle Eastern, organically transmitted to us by osmosis not by design.

            We need to go back to our roots, by getting rid of harmful imported European cultural influences such as eating pork, worshipping images, intercession by priests, and practising deviant sexual behaviour, to name but few.

          • Hope

            Selam Simon: with all due respect to you ,Sir,what the heck has gayism to do with the topic in question where the Catholic Church is persecuted andcsbised for only and only helping the needy and poor Eritreans?
            Is the Eritrean Catholic Church being charged for gayism for FIGHTING FOR and doing Social Justice ?
            Isn’t it considered by the Scrpture that SODOMY a Mortal sin,which led to the destruction of the villages of Sidon and Gomera?
            I though the Ten Commandments and even the contemporary Christian Teachings are against Sodomy or gayism!

            Don’t curse Hope as to why the few Clergy are molesting kids or the Catholic Seminarians are browsing twisted webs .
            or practicing Sodomy .
            Here is the question for you and Blink as well as Semere Tesfay:
            Is what the Catholic Church has done for Eritrea and sand Eritreans in particular and the entire world in general a noble cause like :
            -Teaching the illiterate
            -Feeding the hungry
            -Treating and curing the sick and the ill
            -Building Schools,Colleges,Universities,Hospitaks and Clinics and managing them in the best possible way for the betterment of humanity !!!!!
            Don’t you think that those same Champions of Social Justice are also human beings like Simon and Blink,who can err and make mistakes?
            “ Ab aynikha zello besser keiawtsAka ab Ayni bitsayka zello besser ketewitseE aytifetyin’”!
            “ U better first remove the foreign body from your eye before trying to remove the one inside your friend’s eye”!

            “ Do not Judge lest to be judged”( in order NOT to be judged)”!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hope,

            The Eritrean Catholic Church is part of the Vatican, which is pulling all the strings. Enough said.

          • Hope

            Selam back to you,Mr. Simon KaleAb:

            Happy Sunday!

            Again,with all due respect,you answer is rude and arrogant.

            I did NOT ask you whether the Eritrean Catholic Church belongs to the Vatican or not.

            Am fully aware about the corruption and scandals within the Vatican in particular, and within the Catholic Church in general.

            But your logic,allegations and conclusions as well as judgements are :
            -Fallacious
            -Erratic/erroneous
            -BIASED and unfounded
            -Exaggerated

            The bad and corrupt behavior of the few Catholic Clergy members and few of its Seminarians cannot be interpolated to or implicated in justifying the criminal activities of the Eri Regime in question against the Eritrean Catholic Church and its noble cause,hardcore values and principles.

            The bad and corrupt behaviour of the few members of the Catholic Church,is not and cannot be interpreted as the bad Teaching of the Catholic Church.

            The Catholic Church is run by weak and sinful human beings like me and you.

            The USA Constitution,like the Christian Bible/Scripture, has the best provisions of/for Democracy and Equality but you tell me the real facts vis-a-vis the role of the corrupt system on African Americans and other so called “Minorities’.

            The EPLF Charter and the Ratified Constitution,both ratified and written by the same PFDJ Junta,provide similar “perfect” provisions of /for Justice and Equality but we now the facts on the ground.

            The PFDJ Junta does not, has not and cannot have any Moral grounds to accuse and crack down the Champion of Social Justice,the Catholic Church, in the name of its fake “Laws and Rules” by conveniently and selectively applying them on others when it fits it/wants it ONLY for its sole secondary gain,not, for sure,for the National Interest of Eritrea and Eritreans.

            And this,is NOT, a Rocket Science but basic and common sense 101.
            Just Hope’s naive opinion.
            Cheers.
            Wo selametka Wedehanka.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Blink

            Welcome my friend. There are many including me who miss you and your input. Good to see you back.

            Semere Tesfai

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Semere Tesfai,
      “there is a law in Eritrea enacted, I believe in 1995, that standardizes the laws, the rules and the regulations of religions and religious institutions in Eritrea” !!. It amazing I missed to know Eritrea has law making body. Or did you mistake the decree of the despot for legislative institution?

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Ismail AA

        “It amazing I missed to know Eritrea has law making body. Or did you mistake the decree of the despot for legislative institution?”

        You don’t recognize it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. But…….

        You could make your own congress in your own image, and enact your own laws in your own values when you weedout the PFDJ regime.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Semere Tesfai,

          The Eritrean people will weed out the PFDJ; actually sooner than later. It is the Eritrean people who shall make platforms as they shall see fit and draw laws that shall reflect their collective values. By the way, you too will have the right to participate as loyal citizen in the making of the laws, unlike the despot who had enslaved an entire nations – his blind supporters and enabler included.

    • Mez

      Good day Semere T,

      Do you believe that (with such self contradictory list of items) you are contributing something tangable to the discussion on the role of religious NGO’s?

      As you and me are eager to hide in some western world communities and willfully stay there, there are people in the western world who want to go to the people and nations we left behind and do something with tangable and measurable outputs; such as health care & education.

      And lastly, probably the government may want to put a transparent measurable benchmark on what every social actor shall do.

      Thanks

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Semere T.,

      I hope you saw the pics of the hospitals and everything is being taken away, while those nurses and elders look away. And I hope it gave you pleasure that this is the right thing to do.

      It’s shame. The worst kind. Please stop and think and ask WHY?

      Here is what I think why, when the revolution of yiAkl happens in Eritrea and the country revolts agains IA, and his security, people like you shoot at the people and wounding / killing many, he wants to make sure they have no place to go to get treatment.

      That’s why. You know what he will be the first to be taken out. You better learn “melqes ngoytaKa” from now on.

      Berhe

  • Hope

    Hello All:
    Those of you ,who believe in God, His Power and Mercy:
    You are kindly invited/asked to join the Catholic Church of Eritrea in Prayers and Spiritual Fasting!
    We equally shall prayer for Ethiopia and Ethiopians, who are going through a similar crisis for their Peace and Reconciliation .
    Refer to RadioErena.com to read the Letter of Invitation for such a timely and serious invitation by the Catholic Church of Eritrea through her bold Leadership !

    • Selam Hope,

      Some people say that religion and revolution do not mix, others on the contrary, the great majority of religious and non-religious people, seem to agree that wherever there is tyranny and injustice religion and religious people should be at the forefront. Religion can act as a bridge and bring together individuals and groups of people and vocally oppose injustice, and i am not sure if it can go beyond that.

      The Sudanese people seem to be born revolutionaries. True to their three months of struggle against dictatorship, they came out again yesterday in their tens of thousands. I do not know about the role played by the mosque and the Muslim religion in the Sudanese revolution.

      As you said, ethiopia and eritrea need “Prayers and Spiritual Fasting”, but the actions taken by the people themselves is also very important. When people act for the sake of justice, there is always a helping hand from above. Ethiopians and Eritreans have therefore to play their own important roles, with their goal being the well-being of the country and the people, and not their individual interests.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Horizon,

        What you said would be fantastic if your last sentence was:
        “Ethiopians and Eritreans have therefore to play their own important roles, with their goal being the well-being of their countries and their people”…
        Instead of
        Ethiopians and Eritreans have therefore to play their own important roles, with their goal being the well-being of the country and the people, …
        Every detail matters in a genuine relationship!

        • Selam Haile S.,

          I do not understand how you got the notion that i was insinuating anything different other than what you said. Certain things are too obvious to be mentioned all the time. I said, “Ethiopians and Eritreans have therefore to play their own important roles, with their goal being the well-being of the country and the people, and not their individual interests.”.

          “the country and the people” does not necessary mean one country and one people. Who are eritreans and ethiopians? Two different people with two different countries.
          What is their important role? What they owe to their respective country, and nothing else. Obviously, they do not have one single country and one common role.
          What is their goal? Anything good they wish for their country, an eritrean for eritrea and an ethiopian for ethiopia. They do not have a common goal.

          Therefore, I do not understand why you see it differently, as if i was speaking of one people and one country.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon,

            Now that you have said it, it is clear. I saw the ambiguity because “the country and the people” does not necessary mean two countries and two people.
            Thanks

      • Hope

        Selam Horizon
        Agree!
        My above message was specifically about the specific Letter of Invitation for Prayers,a coded message for Non-violent Civil
        Disobedience.
        Granted,the Conference of the Catholic Bishops of Eritrea publicly declared it in their two-Three Consecutive Pastoral Letters on the need of Justice and Peaceful “Coup” politically speaking .
        The burden and the follow up action is up to the Public.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Hope,

      Irrespective of our beliefs or our non-beliefs, the Eritrean regime’s action on what it calls “curtailment of Catholic Church activities in Eritrea” is a condemnable act. It is precisely the curtailment of individuals, citizen’s rights, journalists, organizations like this one etc, which can be summarized as absence/violation of constitutional rule and legal procedures that sends Eritreans desperately look for divine constitution and intervention, multiplying religious devotion in all directions in the recent years that drives this regime crazy to take senseless & thoughtless actions in return. The regime looks like acting as an “arsonist firefighter”, an inextricable vicious circle.
      Needless to say the catholic church in Eritrea has been a helping hand for its adherents and non-adherents. I am of the later and a beneficiary of the genuine helping hand of this church in the roughest times we faced in Asmara. It provided shelter and food without distinction. Please reread the captivating narrative of Tzigereda, ‘Gejeret 1975: Life Under Mengistu’s Derg’. The church gave what it had during those rough weeks and shared for years to come. Thank you the catholic churchs of Gejeret, thank you San Francisco. We are with you.
      What this regime is not conscious of is that Eritreans are doing the same like in 1975, finding shelters in different forms, refuge in a country, in a belief, in an organization that receives them and considers them well. Instead of curtailing everybody, the regime needs to learn and act like those religions, organizations and countries who shelter what the regime abandoned by giving all its citizens the space, liberty, rule of law and a constitution they deserve.

  • Selam All,

    What would the next day look like for pm Abiy, democracy and ethiopia? Will Abiy be a changed man, democracy takes one big step back, and ethiopia becomes the same as yesterday, or in simple terms nothing will remain the same? Will all three be bruised and weakened and the forces of ethno-nationalism and anti-ethiopianism have the upper hand, or they will come out of it strengthened?

    It is said that one should be careful what one wishes for. Many anti-ethiopianists were accusing amharas for being less ethno-nationalists, and more ethiopianists and unionists. Here is amhara hardliners showing their ugly teeth, and let the anti-ethiopianists enjoy them.

    OLF and ABN are complaining that the government is carrying out a witch hunt all over the country and putting their members in prison for no reasons. The command posts under the emergency measures are harassing people, and some political groups feel targeted. Some ethiopians support the measures undertaken, while others oppose it.

    It is expected that more changes will come to the security, the armed forces and the political arena in general, or otherwise, a major shakeup everywhere that will most probably be carried out silently and under the radar. This is one of the reasons one can say that pm Abiy could come out of the crisis strengthened rather than weakened, because it opens the opportunity to get rid of the weights tied to his feet. He may take his gloves off if he thinks that ethiopia is at a precarious point, and it may be the end of soft talking and strong actions, which unfortunately could take the country back to authoritarianism. The economy and investments will suffer in the short run, and i hope ethiopia will not be made to choose again between the economy and democracy, because one without the other is like walking on one leg, as we saw in the past.

    The crisis is a big shakeup for the government and the country. Nothing maybe the same again in ethiopia, and those who misused the little democracy brought to the land may be forced to regret their selfish attitude, arrogance and empty bravado. The take home lesson for foolish and arrogant leaders of some regional states, is that they are on the way to mutual destruction, and no one will come out winner, and they better use their little brain, if they still have some remaining, for the good of the country and their people, and not for their selfish ends, which will take them to their demise.

  • said

    Greetings,
    Learning from atrocities of the past history , A civil war that would ignite a region . Millions people now hold their breath. An appeal to Ethiopian, only honorable course will be means of peace

    Nature, the Great Spirit—they are not perfect. The world couldn’t stand that perfection. The spirit has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes the bad side gives me more knowledge than the good side. – John Lame Deer & Richard Erdoes, Lame Deer Seeker of Visions
    we might define true community as that place where the person you least want to live with lives… – Parker Palmer

    Ethiopian demagoguery, self-interest, exploitation, Nationalism, militarism, ethnocentrism, nativism, and their dehumanizing impact on Eritreans humanity is well known . And the banality of war and the depraved horrors inflicted by the dissolute Eritreans people, on the weak and helpless inflected on Eritreans and Eritreans hero’s resist colonial domination and occupation. This is an inalienable right enshrined in international law. Eritrean during anti-occupation and colonial struggled to the better end . we Eritreans have also chosen to fight for freedom , liberty and our dignity – for ourselves and our children and future generation to come . Eritreans will not let their dream of freedom die. for three decades of devastating military occupation of Eritreans land and life. Finally Ethiopian humiliating defeat at the hands of Eritreans, It was a rout of the first order. Ethiopian lost their lives in Eritrea in tens of thousands , Ethiopian war planes dropping napalm on villages and across lowland , Ethiopian scorched death policy was devastating on the population ; Of course, we’ll never know the actual number, just as we’ll never know how many died in air strikes But that isn’t to say that there were no civilian casualties No one knows how many civilians died . No one thought to count. Today, Ethiopian few know much about this war crime, villages being looted and destroyed, Many homes had been peppered with machine-gun fire or battered by heavier gun and blasted by artillery, Ethiopian Heavy shelling and airstrikes have become all too common since late 1960th indiscriminate attacks against civilians and their property. that has occurred repeatedly from village to another town , each time with its own individual horrific horrors, And the killing never ended as Ethiopian slid into permanent -failed into deep -state status. Eritreans civilian population having fled from indiscriminate war . roughly vast majority % of the country’s population — have been affected by the almost three- decade – war. created tens of thousands of Eritreans refugee , who are scattered in refugee camps in Sudan, their life has stopped and their lives upended, their futures uncertain and today growing diaspora globally. Dream for return been lost forever, replaced with endless exile.
    Leaving aside the Amhara ,Tigrai and Oromina hard core nationalist and chauvinist, respecting Ethiopia diversity in terms of 85 ethnicity, language, religion, and culture . Ethiopia democratic and human right reform is needed urgently. PMAA Abiy took power last year in April and has won widespread international praise for kickstarting political and economic reforms. Old Existing power and shake-up of the military and intelligence services has earned him powerful enemies and will not go easily with process of reform .Ethiopia prepares to hold parliamentary elections next year, although the electoral board warned that they were behind schedule and not ready for polling and instability could delay election.
    Ethiopian ultra nationalism and the glorification of war and the Lasting Effects of War ,should take notices . Ethiopian should take a lesson from its recent and past history of war . the impact of civilian ethnic wars’ and abandonment of human decency as a result of orgiastic debauchery of senseless killing that will result havoc . Ethiopian should think clearly What is going on? taking a good hard look at their past mistakes, learning from the ones in from past history that nothing cannot be cured , and properly correcting the ones in the present and go forward It was never easy. It’s still not easy. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be done. We, the people means all of Ethiopian. Ethiopian should be ready to defend the other for their civil and human rights and the whole spectrum of freedom for all Ethiopian and equality under the law . It is unfathomable for any ethic group or of any person of conscience to ignore the horror unfolding in Ethiopia . It requires soul searching and forfeiture of one’s soul. What does war have to do with Ethiopian civilian population? NADA’ Ethiopian peace cannot be built on injustice and domination. at the expense of one ethnic group , Ethiopian citizen should have the right to security, justice, dignity and peace. The life of one group should not be based on the death of the other. Power in Ethiopia will come through real democracy and the ballot box

  • Paulos

    ሰላም ብሩኻት ህዝበይ,

    ጽልኢ ሕሱም’ዩ፣ ፍቕርን ሰላምን ግን ነዛ ሓንቲ ሂወትነ ዝተዋህበትና ዘማዕርጉ ጸጋታት’ዮም፣ ስለዚ ነንሕድሕድና ሰላም ንግበር ንፋቓቐር። ነዚ እንዳሳለስኩም ነዛ ትስዕብ ሙዚቃ ክትሰምዑ ይዕድመኩም።

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r44vW1qfFEw

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam All
    What happened in Ethiopia is sad. All I hope for is that reason will eventually reign and Dr.Abiy understands that he can’t preach his way out of the mess. It’s bad to see three places mourn separately in ways that appear to have been exchanging blames, though as Ethiopians they all lost and were equally victims. I watched funeral ceremonies in Gondar, Mekele, and Gen. Ambachew village where all, the victims and the alleged villain-general, were hailed as heroes. In social medias, Tigrians attacked Amara, and vice versa.
    However, some interviewed sober personalities called on the nation to undergo a serious soul-searching. It appears the Ethiopian PM has been bruised greatly. What he takes will undoubtedly take the country either towards healing its wounds or plunging it into deeper crisis.There is no indications of foreign arms in the current crisis besieging the country. So, please spare Eritrea from implicating it in any crisis that hits Ethiopia. The current crisis in Ethiopia is a result of hate seeds that have been planted in the country in the last 28 years. Dr. Abiy will have to choose between providing leadership that will take the country out of the decades-old mess or continue on his populist rhetoric that made him the darling of the west. If he chooses the latter, his reign might be shortened either through internal coup within the EPRDF sphere or through another wave of popular uprising. Meanwhile, the ethnic time bomb threatening Ethiopia may explode taking the region into unchartered waters.My condolences to affected families and to all Ethiopians.

    • Nitricc

      There is no indications of foreign arms in the current crisis besieging the country. So, please spare Eritrea from implicating it in any crisis that hits Ethiopia.

      Your majesty: you know they are going to find a way to implicate Eritrea. They must. Now, why would PIA want General SaAre dead? And there is no proof that Eritrea offered assistance aiagan they must find a way to implicate Eritrea.

      እዚህ ላይ ማያያዝ የምፈልገው ግድያው ከተፈፀመ በኃላ ጠቅላይ ሚኒስትሩ በሰጠው መግለጫ የጎረቤት ሃገራት(ስም ባይጠቀስም ) እገዛ ለማድረግ እንደጠየቁ ጠቁሞ ነበር። በእኔ ግምት ካለው የጎረብቶቻችን ፖለቲካ ሁኔታ እርድታ ለመስጠት የጠየቀች ሃገር በኢሳያስ አፈወርቂ የምትመራው ኤርትራ ነች። በሁለት ነገርዎች እንደዜጋ እፍረት ተሰምቶኛል። ኢትዮጵያ አቶ ኢሳያስ የሚመራትን ሃገረ ኤርትራ ወደ አለችበት ደረጃ ተምዘግዝገን ወርደን የኛ አቅም አውቆ ኢሳያስ እርዳታ እንዲሰጠን መጠየቁ አንደኛው ሲሆን ሁለተኛው ደግሞ በሂወቴ ኢሳያስ ኢትዮጵያን የመበጥበጥ ስትራቴጂው እውን ሁኖ በማየቱ በጣም አዝኛለው። ጀነራል ሰዓረ መኮነን ከህወሐት (TPLF) ታጋዮች እንዲታሰሩ ወይም እንዲወገዱ በኢሳያስ አፈውርቂከሚፈለጉ ግንባር ቀደም ታጋይ ነው።

      • Hope

        Selam Nittric:
        You missed your source!
        Would u care to mention it?
        Whoever he might be,that ignorant analyst deserves no respect.
        Here is why:
        -It was IA /the EPLF,who destroyed the murderer regime of Col Menghistu

        -It was the same IA of the EPLF ,who escorted the TPLF to the Menelik Palace

        -Ant it was the same IA ,who mobilized the Oromo Kerro/ Youth thru the IA funded OMN

        -I thought it was the same IA ,who saved Ethiopia fromcollapsing a year and half ago!

        As far as the TPLF Generals/Idiots is concerned,wether it was SeAre or Siyye or Tsadkan,or Getachew Aseffa,I thought they deserved what they thought of us and our fate and that of Eritrea!

        That dumb Dude you quoted might be right considering what the same General et al attempted to do on Eritrea and Eritreans!

        Didn’t u tell us that the same General begged and volunteer to capture?

        You know what “ Id shendahit tsenahit” means?
        Ask your Dad!

        Read after Hope:

        “Those,who attempted to kill Eritrea and Eritreans are either already DEAD or are dying and will sure keep DYING”!

        Courtesy of Ato Yemane GhebreAb!
        More so …..

        “ The Weyanes shall pay the BIGGEST price for what they did to Eritrea and Eritreans”!

        Courtesy of Gen Sibhat Efrem!

        The realization /execution of Tinbite Isayas!?

  • kazanchis

    Hello everyone!

    What happened to Ethiopia last week and even over the past three years is so sad. Some short-sighted PFDJs would only seek the failure of TPLF and its eventual demise. The minute Tigray decided to give up to the chauvinists, I doubt this diaspora PFDJs would enjoy Ethiopia returning back to the red sea and filling the ghost towns created by their one man government. They need to know they are well set for great upset, they will never come to defend their country and so on. TPLF/EPRDF has never been a sacred entity and there are many strategic and historical mistakes committed. Tigray or TPLF now serve as a good buffer zone for Eritrea, too.
    The atrocity in the Amhara region came with opportunity for Abiy, he has now tackling opponents and weakening the region. Tigray region is the only region he has struggled to get ground to put his own ‘yes man’, the people are more organized and united and seeing off threats from Abiy easily.
    The emergence of Amhara nationalism and siege mentality they are preaching is dangerous to all, to name few – to Tigray, Oromo and of course to some extent, Eritrea. The main reason TPLF led government had been criticized and seen as traitor by the opposition mainly from Amhara or quasi-Ethiopianists was the case of Eritrea. There are ample videos on election debates opposition parties accusing TPLF as masterminds for giving away ports, committing treason and so on.
    The Amhara nationalism has been carried out in a very dangerous manner, unless they take a hard look on themselves and their political ideologies, they are gonna see more flames in their region and Ethiopia. They were pushing for arming their civilians, pointing fingers on other ethnic groups and blatantly claiming ‘Amhara belijochu tarikun yadessal!!!’ These are inflammatory and very much irresponsible slogans, Abiy and his administration was complacent because he thought it would serve him as a thorn in TPLF’s side. But, you cannot pet an 8 meter long crocodile in your own house and starve it without repercussion.

    • Gerogee

      Me K

      I respectfully disagree agree. Shortsightedness is the TRADE MARK of Woyane.
      1. It is Eritrea long term thinking that got Woyane free and into power. Undisputed fact.
      2.It is Eritrea who has been telling Woyane to abandon it’s crazy dream of GREATER TIGRAY. (ABYE TIGRAY)

      3. It is Eritrean leaders, specially PIA who warn TPLF not to seek secession. Remember it is Tigray liberation Front.
      4. It is Woyane who pursued expansionist policies that got the region into mess.

      5. It is Woyane shortsighted policy of subjugating Eritrea that we are in this mess. When they can simply withdraw from our land.

      • kazanchis

        Hi Gerogee,

        You mentioned five points some with falsehood and also few simply not your business. Eritrea is in a mess because of its own making, TPLF and America are no longer an issue, why there is no change in Eritrea then? Why there is no election? You see, all along blaming TPLF/America served as a smokescreen.
        If TPLF wanted to secede from Ethiopia, why does it even concern Isaias? It is not his business to tell what is good for the people of Ethiopia. It is a democratic right ultimately decided by Tigray people, whether to stay in Ethiopia or not. Maybe, this tells you a lot, he seem to poke his nose where he shouldn’t have. Abay Tigray is a myth, you cannot provide tiny evidence to suggest that. Isaias invaded and he signed in Algiers peace treaty as an aggressor. This is fact. Border is the issue here and its not about a piece of land. Abiy and Isaias now could settle whenever they wanna settle it. But, they decided to take time and look through it. Same thing Weyane was suggesting – Negotiation on how to solve the issue. 😀
        I am doing you a favor by replying to pure propaganda and helping you understand by reasoning.

        • Gerogee

          Hi k

          Himm…perhaps I did not made myself clear. My main point is Woyane is not a long term thinker. Not to be trusted and will never be trusted. It is a backstabbing organization that has not developed the ability to develop without looting. That is my main contention. Woyane prevented the withdrawal of military hardware and personnel from the border that is a fact Eritrea internal issues is not what we are discussing. PiA as their mentor told them the best scenario based on win win situation. 40 years ago. Now look where we are. Woyane created the instability and now we are stuck.

          • kazanchis

            Hello again,

            You were discussing Ethiopian internal issues and which begged for Eritrean internal matters to be raised. It is clear that you run out of excuse to deny Eritreans liberty, you don’t wanna answer my questions. 😀
            If you are not ready for genuine debate and hear honest opinion, then this is not for you. I am not interested to defend TPLF here, it has made mistakes and I will not back down from calling it. But, if you are convinced with propaganda and want us to believe it, debating ideas becomes impossible.
            You said Weyane prevented withdrawal and it is a backstabbing entity. I will answer the first claim, federal road to Tigray was blocked and the army was leaving the region and the people blocked the road and asked for explanation and the army addressed their concerns. That’s what happened. Here is the General Birhanu Julla’s take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT1hWrpNgVE
            You said Isaias told TPLF a win/win scenario, he is the last person to give any suggestion about Ethiopian internal matters. That’s where he is wrong, he fought to break away and that’s fair enough. Then, how the house should be organized after he left it, is not for him to comment. It is not TPLF who supported the right for self-determination, the Oromos was/still want that right to remain the law of the land.

          • Paulos

            Kazanchis,

            The guy you are desperately trying to get some sense into his head is a boring monotone Weyane this and Weyane that where there is no a substance in between what so ever. I suggest you let him be for he will drain your otherwise useful energy.

          • kazanchis

            Hi Paul,
            You are right. I sometimes think that people supporting despots blindly need help and conversation appear to be fruitless. But, that could also be a help in a way. Lol

          • Gerogee

            K

            Detouring from the main topic seems to be your way out of your Woyane laced progoganda. There wasn’t anything that indicates I worshipped PIA in our last conversation. But I am on record for saying that I am PIA WORSHIPERS. It is better than being weasle Woyane cadre 🙂

          • Alex

            Hi Kazanchis,
            Look at the mirror before accusing anybody. Isn’t it you are here to defend the backstabber TPLF.

          • kazanchis

            Hey Alex,
            You guys are programmed to repeat some buzzwords. It’s so thrilling to watch. 😂 Politics and international relation is about interest and there’s no such a vocabulary as “backstabbing” in it, I’m afraid to you. You offer something and you receive some, based on your merit you’ll remain relevant. I assume you’re pro-Isu, he was relevant to the TPLF objectives at some point, they’ve used him and they moved on with what interested them and he moved on as well. You wouldn’t be able to provide loyal/dependable political entity as an example, they all fickle. Especially, Isu he’s the pinnacle of this theory — he betrayed his colleagues and buried them alive and mercilessly rot them, he fought with every neighbor Eritrea could provide, he saw hundreds of thousands Eritreans fleeing his administration and I am sorry to tell you, your maniac Isu is a definition of betrayal and backstabbing — to his own people. As for TPLF, I don’t portray them as pure evil, I see their shortcomings and they messed up many and accomplished something along the way. I’m open to admit and criticize them. I don’t have insecurities because of their inadequacies, this is how I see it. I hold no political party as religion, I’m open. You know? I’m yet to see pro-Isus admitting his madness, his grave mistakes, at the end of the day he’s human. Don’t be scared to hold views on him.

            Cheers!

          • Nitricc

            grave mistakes

            Hi Kazanchis; no matter how hard you tried to cover up your dedebit-self, the truth is out there. Who set up Ethiopia to polarization of society by ethnics alongside killil and language? Isn’t the main reason that you are now in a verge of civil war and at your each other’s throat? And you talking about grave mistakes? Eritrea might not
            have fake constitution and corrupted generals but at least her society is intact and in harmony. Another grave mistakes you are about to commit is try to disarm Amara and the should end your misery. How funny; Tigray all armed, Oromo all Armed and when Amara tried to be armed all this BS. Really?

          • mokie berhe

            Hi kazanchiz. You say that ‘As for TPLF, I don’t portray them as pure evil’ You are indeed correct as they are only 99.9 percent evil😉 You further state that ‘I see their shortcomings and they messed up many and accomplished something along the way’. Indeed, whilst they left Ethiopia extremely bankrupt, they made many TPLF fake Docs, Crocs, Professors, Pimps and Generals extremely rich.

          • Gerogee

            Hi P

            It is the likes of you, why Africa is the laughing stock of the world. Short-sighted, clannish, dishonest. You are openly admiring Meles who deported 80,000 people. And you talk about making sense. You openly show your disdain for Ethiopian people by calling them “ungrateful lot”, and you talk about monotone. Day in and day out you are and record admiring a genocide a midget who sent 120,000 young boys to their death. You actually think you have sense come on. Get real.

          • Paulos

            Selam George,

            I am sure you have seen “Groundhog Day” and talking to you is just that. Same ol’ same ol’.

          • Gerogee

            Pulos

            Bill Murray is one actor I never really liked. I actually tried to watch but yeak… coming to your point. I could say the same thing about you. Aside from your Wikipedia cut and paste random stuff there’s nothing original about you either

          • Paulos

            George,

            Sure thing. Here is the deal though. Please don’t respond to my comments and I will do the same. All the best.

          • Gerogee

            Paulos

            Not so easy. You will be checked. The phony you are will be shared. It is not up to you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Paulos,

            Fyodor Dostoevsky gave us a reminder and he says, “A man who lies to himself and believe his own lies, become unable to recognize truth either to himself or anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself and others.” If you find likewise, and there are many in this forum, you have to avoid them. The more you engage them the more will pull you to their mud.

          • Desbele

            Selam Aman,
            “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” . Mark Twain.
            I got peace ignoring every comment from YPFDJ/OPFDJ zombies. Honestly, i have started to feel sympathy on their faustian soul sold to the devil in Adi Halo. I think we all need to be concerned how to heal such lost souls in future free eritrea. We are witnessing few that can write in such forums and are well informed to think otherwise. Think of thousands others who are ill informed ,brainwashed lost souls that we need to attend after inevitable fall of DIA’s fiefdom.
            ይኣኽል ምስ ወይጦታት ምሕውታት.

          • Gerogee

            Dear k

            You making every effort to portray tplf on entity that can be trusted it’s not going to be trusted. That’s an established fact here’s another established fact tplf spoiler role is again on for everybody to see. Ethiopian Internal Affairs especially tplf move to secede from Ethiopia will have a direct effect on Eritrea. Perhaps you forgot that tplf printed a map showing major part of Eritrea. USA and tplf it’s not smoke screen. Anybody would suggest that is extremely extremely short-sighted. Intentionally ignorant. And frankly dishonest. United States regime change agenda is of another established fact they do it day in day out everywhere. They’ve been doing it since time immemorial. they openly brag about it and here you are denied what they brag about. The bogus sanction is a prime example. The United Nations operatives openly discussing regime change is also a prime example.

            My emphasis is that tplf is not a trustworthy organization as you made us to believe. It’s not a buffer. At all. If anything it’s a catalyst for a destruction and instability in the region. The right thing to do is withdraw from our land apologize for what they done. And openly declare they have no ambition to get at a trial and or a port and everything would be fine.

        • Nitricc

          Eritrea is in a mess because of its own making, TPLF and America are no longer an issue, why there is no change in Eritrea then? Why there is no election?

          Mr K; what is to you? I suggest you worry about the most democratic and developed country called Ethiopia. don’t worry about Eritrea and leave Eritrea from your corrupted political culture . worry about your country. And good luck with your most democratic election. Eritrea is in a mess? really? do you even have a clue the deep s!!!t you are in and you have the nerve to talk about Eritrea? easy!!!! leave Eritrea out of this.

    • Consolation

      Hi Kaza,

      The TPLF is a cancer and the only cure for cancer is its extermination. Abiys failure is his inability to tame the TPLF. There were numerous ways he could have brought the TPLF thugs to their Knees. But Abiy failed to use any of the tools he had. And now, it may be too late for Ethiopia, If Ethiopia goes the way of Yugoslavia, then the Tigrayans will be among the biggest losers. The TPLF thugs dont seem to realalize that.

  • Amanuel

    Hi All
    While we are carried away with events in Ethiopia, IA and his regime are creating havoc and increasing the suffering of Eritreans.

    1) Due to the closure of the boarder with Ethiopia daily goods & consumables are creeping back to the level where they were before the opening. This is hurting civil servants, especially those who has no diaspora support.
    2) As widely reported the regime recently closed health services provided by the Catholic Church in a manner and way even not expected by guerrilla standard. But why? There is no official explanation as usual but rumour has it that they were providing their services only to followers of their faith. This is not true but for argument sake let’s say that was the case but the regime had other civilised options. For example remind them that their services is discriminatory and it should be given to all Eritreans equally. Failing that order to wind it down gradually with out disturbing the current services and with out causing any suffering to exiting patients. However this is not a regime which has Eritreas best interest at heart and it is living-up to its expectation.
    3) There is shortage of drinking water, specially after the closure of May ShA. This is specially affecting the diaspora visitors with children. Again there is no explanation just rumours and it is to do with not paying enough tax. But do you have to shut a factory when there are other administrative options like penalty for paying not enough or late? Well shutting it down will affect the collection of future taxation, so it is reasonable to conclude that taxation is not the reason for the closure but to increase the suffering of Eritreans this time the diaspora community will be at the receiving end.

    To conclude I will share a conversation I had with elderly visiting mother last month. ኣደ ዓዲ ከመይ ገዲፍክንኦ፧ ኢለ ምስ ሓተትኵወን “ኩሉ ሙሉእ ዘይጉዱል ኣሎ ዝወደይ ግን ንፈርሕ እዞም ደቅና ብፍላይ ክኣ ንሱ ከይሪኦ” እንታይ ማለትክን እዩ ምስ በልኩወን “ዋእ እዚ ወደይ ከየቋርጾ ዘይ ብሓጥያትና እዩ ተፈጢሩ” በላኒ።

    • Paulos

      Selam Aman,

      I think the nub of the question is, what exactly is the nature of the sin our elderly mother alluding to?

      • Amanuel

        Hi Paulos
        It is an expression used in our society to explain complicated problems. She has no the sophistication to explain Sadism and would avoid to call a supposed leader devil. I hope you catch her drift.

        • Paulos

          Selam Aman,

          If we have to guess the details of her prayers, perhaps it is the fact that we worshipped an evil man who denies justice to the people, who incarcerates children and denies the burial of the remains of his erstwhile best friends……who snatches a mother from the airport into the unknown while her children await to hug her and kiss her….

          1. Ciham Ali Abdu
          2. Naizgi Kiflu
          3. Aster Yohannes

          Multiple of the three in dungeons!

    • Desbele

      Selam Amanuel,

      I personally had the opportunity to visit health centers run by the Catholic church and the government in Anseba and Gashbarka and Debub zone. The Catholic church health centers are open for all , run quite efficiently with an astounding dedication of its staff. I was so impressed with one of their health centers in Anseba region that i wrote an unpublished article to the UN about it back in 2012. Their nurse was closely working with the community that she makes sure every pregnant woman in the community as far as 15km would deliver at the health center.
      The health center used to host the pregnant women at a temporary maternity home which provides basic necessities for few weeks even months for some of them who come to the center from afar. Cant just imagine such health centers are now closed and inaccessible for the people. ይኣኽል ኢሰብዓውነት

      • Amanuel

        Hi Desbele
        I know they are open for all. It is disturbing to learn that Doctors accompanied by solders & police looted these centres located in side monasteries. You wouldn’t even expect this kind of behaviour from ጭፍራ ወዲ ሓደራ። At worst wedi Hadera would have taken only the malaria tablets.
        Have you red Bishop Fikremariam Hagos speech? Sharing it for your connivance. https://www.eritreadigest.com/bishop-fikremariam-hagos-address-in-segeneyti/

        • Desbele

          Thanks Amanuel.
          I already did. It seems Shaebia comes out of the peace deal with Ethiopia strengthened to continue assaulting the Eritrean people. DIA was a pariah , cornered in Adi Halo and under sanctions. His regime just cant survive without confrontation that now he revives his satanic fight with priests. Remember, the regime has also detained five monks of Debrebizen monastery in Ghindae and a number of faith mission members in Keren this month.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam
    aregawi berhe(a chairman of tigrai based opposition) in diplomatic language, literally declared war(displacement) on the remaining tigraians(tplf) in addis and ask the people of addis help on his war with tigraians(tplf) in addis.

    • Consolation

      Hello Tedros,

      The only one inviting war on Tigrayans is the TPLF. Instead of accepting their ouster and joining the rest of Ethiopians on healing the land after 27 years of their misrule and plunder, they decided to challenge the authority of Abiy. Tigrayans could have kept whatever they stole in the past 27 years. After all, no one is going to take what has been invested in Tigray. By working to disintegrate Ethiopia, Tigrayans risk losing whatever they gained in the past 27 years. Already, Tigray is in deep recession as all roads to the rest of Ethiopia are closed. It will only get worse if the TPLF leaders continue with their infantile policy. Remember this wise Amharic saying የቆጡን ኣወርድ ብላ የብብትዋን ጣለች

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; now that the internet in Ethiopia is up and running; watch the YaAkil losers come out in drive. Weyane Digital at its best. Now take a notice who is doing this YaAkil BS is doing it.
    Now expect the YaAkil BS to be continue. The good thing the true Eritreans know who is behind YaAkil BS.

  • Selam All,

    Tplf has already created a renegade regional state within the federation, and this might have given the wrong signal to amhara hardliners. When tplf says we are not afraid of anybody, has created its own militias, armed them, dug out trenches, ready for a possible confrontation, especially with amharas due to land issues, things do not seem to end here, with this coup. Amharas feel attacked on all sides, they do not trust the old guards in the ADP, not even the new, whom they see as sellouts, and it is possible that they are more attracted by the newcomer, the nationalist party ABN, whose members seem to have been put behind bars in their hundreds all over the country.

    Amharas want to arm themselves for security reasons and they do not feel safe, and may not even trust the federal government whether it can protect them or not, especially when one of the regional states is armed to the teeth. They may want their defense to be in their own hands as long as the other side has armed itself. This concept could result in another renegade regional state and the destabilization of the country.

    The fact that the general, Asamnew Tsige, was given a hero’s funeral at Lalibela shows that many amharas refuse to see him as coup leader, but as an amhara nationalist hero.

    Tplf has given the wrong precedent by arming itself and talking bravado, and there is the possibility that others may follow the same route, as long as they do not feel safe. I don’t know how the federal government could cut the Gordian knot of the refusal to obey it, especially by the regional state of tigray under tplf. The federal government has yet to show its power, and even then, it is a double edged knife, that could lead to chaos as long as tplf may think that it has nothing to lose by creating a chaotic situation, although it knows that it will not come out a winner.

    What remains for pm Abiy to do, we may see in the coming weeks. This incidence has undermined not only the stability of the country, but that of the government as well. Ethiopians were not ready for such a rude awakening, and let us hope that the government will find a viable solution without resorting to curbing the democratic rights of citizens.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Horizon,

      Well you reap what you saw. You were among the few who were praising the attack rampage of TPLF and their leaders, on many accusations, such as corruption, neptimism etc. On top of that PFDJ on the north and forced them to assess the situation and get ready for what comes. Removing (forced retirement of the army officials, security, public and humiliation such as General Kinfe etc) and the public trail of the security / intelligence leaders.

      OLF is allowed to come from exile armed, why that happened? If they don’t disarm, they could have stayed in exile, them why worry about TPLF (which had largest army because the case in Eritrea) which is justified I think.

      Abiy could have focused making peace with Eritrea and get the boarder demarcated and systematically move the army as it no longer needed but make the TPLF generals as decision makers and not isolate them.

      Do you think the death of General Assamenow will end the crisis? I think it’s the beginning, if anything it will radicalize the Amhara and they know that they have no choice but to to arm themselves if they are to survive.

      If fact I think, they will create an alliance with Tigray / TPLF as they see it’s the lesser evil compared to the threat that’s coming from Oromo.

      Some of their activist are saying:

      1) Now it’s the Muslim agenda of Abiy and Jawar that’s threatening Amhara and Tigray (Christian). Abiy iscobtrilked by SA, UAE and Egypt to weaken Ethiopia.

      2) He abandoned Abay project which is in Amhara, where as Melles actually started it.

      3) A lot of Amhara / Tigray are being displaced by the Oromo and the government is not doing anything about it.

      4) The government is not criticizing the crimes being committed by the Oromo, such as from the banks, the killing and torturing people etc

      Honestly I don’t know where this ends but the more the election is delayed, the more things will get worst.

      Berhe

      • Hi Berhe Y,

        Who sowed and who reaped what? It was tplf who sowed 27 yrs of dictatorship, corruption, torture, killings and incarcerations that brought ethiopia to the current situation. Do you want to say that the tplf government was a democratic government which ethiopians are missing today? Do you want to exonerate tplf?

        A new government that comes to office does not keep the same bureaucracy, and especially when one aspires to move from dictatorship to democracy. It is impossible to move forward with old and toxic functionaries. The culprits at different levels and for different reasons should face the law and that was what happened. It is the legacy of the tplf dictatorial regime that has created instability and not the change itself.

        Make “TPLF generals as decision makers and not isolate them.” How is it possible to make the problem part of the solution? Do you believe that the fact that the border is not solved has nothing to do with tplf? The federal army is not part of the tigray liyu force or militia.

        Today the threat does not come from oromos, as you try to say, but from tplf which hopes to return to power by all means. Tplf joining hands with hardliner amharas, how do you imagine that, when the main reason that the two are at odds with each other is because of amhara lands incorporated into tigray when tplf had all the power to do it and the killings, tortures and humiliation amharas suffered at the hands of tplf? This is odd, to say the least.

        The muslim agenda is your own creation.
        No project has been abandoned.
        When amharas were displaced from all corners of ethiopia you said nothing and to make your point of accusing oromos you are talking about tigray – amhara solidarity.
        Is it possible to compare the crimes by tplf and OLF. The first lasted over one generation and olf is already a foreign body within the oromo society.

        Finally the chaotic situation that could unfold if elections are carried out no matter what in an unstable situation, without census, about 3m displaced and nobody is going to accept the final results, will help tplf destabilizing agenda and not the people of ethiopia. Wishing free, fair and legal elections in a democratic and stable situation is what people should wish and not any elections for vested interests.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Horizon,

          We have to wait and see. I never said criminals need to let go free. I think the speech Abiy gave, in the parliament and in Tigray and other places resonated with the people of Ethiopia.

          Instead of building on that, and move towards reconciliation and peace building, the whole thing turned into revenge and isolation.

          That gave the TPLF the opportunity to arm the whole population because they saw that the whole thing was against them abd the people of Tigray forgiven the TPLF and they are standing with them.

          When I said the TPLF generals become part of the decision making, what I means is, they could have implanted an attrition policy that allows them to retire instead of mass resignation that Abiy implanted.

          Like you said, TPLF had interenched in the country for 27 years and you think that was going to be fixed easily, specially when they felt as being targeted.

          The Muslim thing, it’s not my making but that’s what I heard some people saying where things heading. It’s a political agenda of those people but that’s what it takes to creat chaos.

          It’s up to if you like to answer or not but if you don’t mind which ethnic group in Ethiopia do you belong to. The reason I ask, all Oromo people seem to be supporting Abiy no matter what, and those Tigray and now Amhara seem to be against him.

          Amhara were behind him and I think Abiy is the one who lost them. I don’t know the truth but some guy is saying, they wanted to divide the wello population and the Oromo is gearing up to maximize their foothold.

          You remember few months ago, the whole argument was, who does Addis Abeba belong and taking condo and handing over to people etc..

          Berhe

          • Hi Berhe Y.,

            You had asked me “which ethnic group in ethiopia i belong to”. I had ignored it at first, because I believe that it is downgrading the discussion. Because you are going to ask me again, let me tell you my position as much as ethnic/tribal affiliation is concerned.

            I see it as parochial and backwardness to dwell on one’s village, tribe and surrounding, when there is a vast place like ethiopia. A group of people happened to live in a certain area, have developed a language and culture, they may have come from God knows where hundreds or thousands of years ago, and nobody knows where they will end up in the future, should not be the alpha and omega of what a human being is. Every ethnic group is what it is (if there is anything really different from other ethnic groups except the superficial characteristics of language, tradition and culture) mainly due to the effect of the environment in which it lived for millennia, and no ethnic group has grown a horn because of its unique ethnic/tribal roots.

            You said that i support pm Abiy because i am an oromo, as you, an eritrean, support and defend tplf no matter what, because you believe that you belong to the same ethnic group and you have the responsibility to stand with tplf and whitewash its crimes.

            Not in my case. I support him because i believe that his political narrative is democratic, centered on human rights and progress, and he will bring ethiopia among the world community and not isolate her, after almost three decades of tribal rule. If he tries to do the opposite, i will be among the first to stand against him, because i owe nothing to no one.

            I am an ethiopian first and foremost, a man of the world if i could, and you can attach on top of it any tribe you want. I have no problem.

            The oromo danger and the amhara + tigray solidarity cards you brought out, weird as they are, because this is a new phenomenon, show how much your tplf is in a dire situation, and it is fighting to continue to float and avoid drowning. It was greater tigray, then tigray+tigrini, both will incorporate eritrea into tigray, and now a tigray+amhara front against oromo. Tplf is like a ship caught in a tempest. The best solution for it is to come back to the real world and walk on the ground on its two feet, rather than trying to fly to the sun with its wings made of feathers and wax, as icarus in Greek mythology. You know the end of the story. What tplf is trying to do is futile.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            All I can say is I am sorry that I asked. Trust me this will be the last time I discuss Ethiopian politics unless it affects me and Eritrea directly.

            What you said and what your feel about yourself and your Ethiopian first is quite admirable but that’s not the reality, forget in a tribal base Africa/ Ethiopia but through out the developed world.

            I don’t support TPLF and I don’t care if they are wiped out or destroyed or removed, what ever adjective is suitable to you. I really don’t care.

            My problem is, the effect that it will have to the innocent people and to the region and to my country as well.

            My wish is if any political party is to be defeated it needs to be done at the ballet box and I was hopeful Ethiopia had that process and Abiy had the opportunity to see it through, anything else, corruption, isolation, confrontation will not solve the problem. This is the only reason that I bother to comment..

            If ethnicity is not a problem, then what do you say the turn out in the funeral of General Assamenew, if he was an alleged criminal (caused the death of high ranking officials) to lead the country into what ever, and yet he was honoured with dignity, including a local Mayer making a speech at his funeral for a guy who was hunted down and killed.

            You are wrong about me saying supporting TPLF because I am the sane ethnic group as them.

            Anyway I said enough, sorry if I crossed the line in asking where my intention was genuine.

            Berhe

        • iSem

          Hi Horizon:
          I have not followed the Ethiopian news closely, save the major news
          But is there a talk to postpone election?. I think is disaster to do so. Ethiopia should brave it and invest whatever security to hold free and fair election. Postponing will do more damage. It is the return to despotism simple and pure.
          I do not think TPFL wants to return to power, they want to self-preserve not self distract. I think the Ethiopian ppl should give them the respect they deserve as they are the core power that liberated Ethiopia from cruel Dergi and I also think their crimes and their corruption should be spelled out and if they are brave enough they should take it as growth as orgs like individuals grow and evolve
          I would tell you this much. the animal in Eri is still mad at TPLF for humiliating him, for betraying him and my fear is/was IA will whisper into Abiye’s ears to take on TPLF and promise to support him.
          The latestt killing/coup makes no sense. I mean the twin events of killing the Amhara president and Seare and Gezae. What is their link etc?
          It seems to me Abiye is weak, I think Ethiopia should hold election next year and even reiterate the separation clause and not eliminate it, assert the power of states whoever feels ethiopian can stay who ever thinks regional can go and then work on developing the larger part and make the departed beg to come back. I think this will avoid blood shed and I think most will opt to stay with Ethiopia

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            They postponed the census twice I think so far, and without it, it will be hard to run the election.

            I don’t think Abiy / EPRDF have the confidence to win next election (the Amhara branch of EPRDF is in disarray, I think the Oromo part as well, TPLF May still be the strongest part) and they will try to postpone delay it.

            The problem is, if a leader does not start/believe by saying, I don’t care if I win / lose I am going to do the right thing and let the people speak.

            That’s the type of leader that our region does not have and we are in constant cycle of leaders who want to stick for as long as they can.

            SGJ asked Melles the most important question for the future of Ethiopia? Are you going to stick around until you are chased out of office or you will be willing hand over power. He said, I will hand over and leave or something like that.

            Then (2011) he run again, abd he was giving excuse, my party wants me to run. Crap, no body forces you to do what you don’t want to do. Abd with that he lost the biggest opportunity he had to be a statesman, and left the country to the unknown.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            I think it was while they are preparing for the election cycle. I don’t remember whether SG or Amanuel asked that question, but he told them he is ready to leave the premiership after the election for many reasons that include the issue of his health.What I heard after the election, EPRDF insisted him to stay and died without finishing the term he was on. He was the strongest technocrat and the strongest thread that hold the “ Front-party” (the EPRDF party). We saw the repulcation of his death that lead to the infighting of EPRDF as testified by PMHD who retired before he finished his term. Currently, the Amara kilil are condemning Abiy and it looks the ADP and OPDO alliance is severed by what it happened in Bahia Dar and Addis. I could predict that a new alliance will emerge between OPDO and TPLF. We shall see how the development could unfold. If they do, the first thing they should do is to reinstate the state of emergency. There is no way out without doing that. We wish them to find an exit from the current leadership crises.

          • Hi iSem,

            Birtukan Mideksa, the head of the electoral committee (i am not sure about her title) had said that under the present conditions with security problems and census postponed, it is difficult to carry out free, fair and democratic elections. You may have read what Nitricc said, that the leader of the opposition from tigray region who went for the funeral was attacked by stone-throwing mob and he was rescued by the regional police. You can imagine that it will be worse during the elections.

            The problem with tplf is its arrogance and short-sightedness. It destroyed its legacy by its own actions. For example, it said that it accepted the mistakes of the previous government. What did it do? They isolated themselves and they are opposing and fighting the federal government, instead of participating in the reform. It calls vehemently day in day out on the constitution, which ethiopians call a tplf constitution, because the ethiopian people did not discuss it, and ethnic federation, which is the elephant in the room, is a life and death issue for tplf. It accepts no discussions on these two, and people are suspicious that it wants to use both as the stumbling block to the reform.

            Be sure, Abiy will not heed IA’s words. Violent intervention is not the right prescription even for the weakest regional state, because it will end up in chaos. A lot is said about IA influencing the political situation in ethiopia, but I personally do not believe it.

            I really do not think that secession is an easy thing for any region who aspires to secede. The constitution in my opinion if i remember well says that it is not enough that the state demands, but the majority of the rest should support it. I cannot go into details. It is not the point here, and one can look at the constitution.

            In general terms no state is viable alone. Just take the case of recognition. Somaliland, in a much better situation and after 30 yrs, is not recognized by any country, and it has no access to its financial needs from international organizations. Secession is just a dream unless there is the necessary international support.

      • Alex

        Hi Berhe,
        Were did you get the info “OLF is allowed to come from exile armed”. Either you are uninformed or you making the stuff up. All the opposition that came from Eritrea to Ethiopia were not allowed to come with their armament and that is what happen. OLF, G7 and others came with out anything as agreed with PMAA Gov. The OLF who were giving hard time to PMAA Gov are the ones that were in Ethiopia and did not lay their guns.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Alex,

          You speak as subject matter expert in Eritrea secret interest policy so I can’t argue. There is no definite and accurate info that’s public available to argue. So if you know the story with accuracy then I don’t have the right information. But I heard from many people that OLF is allowed to be armed. You are saying, they were not those from Eritrea, I have to take your words for it.

          Berhe

    • iSem

      Hi Horizon;
      If that is the case, everyone arming, then God save it.
      But you know that the Feds do not have power when the TPLF refused to hand some people. Imaging the FBI inditing a criminal in Vermont and the governor refuses to let FBI. I think TPLF were arming since 1991. And someone was telling me yesterday , I am not sure how true that is but someone was telling me yesterday that Tigray is the only killil with its own air force.
      And whatever they decide to do, I do not really care: meaning if some separate, but they should not for any reason to go to war and spill blood. this country has suffered enough blood for long time. The people deserver better

      • Teodros Alem

        selam isem g:)
        i heard tigrai even has navy:) r u guys scared? don’t pay attention to horizon his brain is rusted alive, he is talking on his stomach.

        • iSem

          Teoddros F**g*t
          Stop adding the your dream word to my name (g). It is not my fault your bf dumped you
          No, we are not scared. Last time I checked we kicked your kitfo but and we will make COUNTRIES out of your KILLIL. Mark that like the word of a prophet

          • Teodros Alem

            selam isem g:)
            u r.proud and admitted g. u said that urself, don’t forget the story, escaping to sudan with the skirt, the leadership on Toronto g pride organization and so on.
            am talking about the navy, air force of tigrai?

          • iSem

            Teod F**g*t
            You are liar and that was from your lover who dumbed you for a solider,Nitricc.
            Stop engaging me Kitfo F**g*t

          • Teodros Alem

            selam f isem g:)
            that was ur admitted statements, where did u think i know u r a F””get? From ur own story of escaping to sudan with the skirt, from ur own story of the g pride org in Toronto, the gin vodka, beer talk .
            everybody know u sleeping with “newer” together. but i still don’t know why u mad.at me, after u made u r a proud g official?
            what a “beles” f””get.

          • iSem

            Teodor the founder of F**get club in Addis. We are coming after you to take where you belong and the border is closed because we want to keep you infecting each other

          • Teodros Alem

            selam f isem g:)
            u r a proud g pride organizer and active participant in Toronto.
            u the one is f”””get and u the one want f”””get democracy of Toronto to transfer to asmara.
            what a agame beles f”””get.

          • Teodros Alem

            Sorry Moderator.

          • Consolation

            TSem,

            So the truth finally come out you are just a dirty Tigrayan scambag. The pressure must be getting to you to reveal yourself so clearly. ኣነኳ “ከምቲ ግብጺንሰውራና ዝሓገዙና” ምስበልካ ፈሊጠካ ነይረ፥፥ ግን እንቋዕ ነፍስኻ ባዕልኻ ኣቃላዕካ፥፥ ጨነውቲ ተጋሩ፥ ኤርትራውያን ተመሲልክን ክንደይ ዘይፈተንክን፥

          • Consolation

            TSem,

            ኣነኳ “ከምቲ ግብጺንሰውራና ዝሓገዙና” ምስበልካ ፈሊጠካ ነይረ፥፥ ግን እንቋዕ ነፍስኻ ባዕልኻ ኣቃላዕካ፥፥ ተጋሩ፥ ኤርትራውያን ተመሲልክን ክንደይ ዘይፈተንክን፥

      • Consolation

        Hi Sem

        A few months back, one of the rising young Tigrayan activists, a guy named Mehari Yohannes, said, that Tigray needs to build nuclear weapons to defend itself. He was not talking tongue in cheek; he was as serious as a scared rabbit. And now you tell us they have an air force!. What a farce. How old are you by the way.

        • iSem

          Hi consolation
          መሃይም፡ ነቲ እተባህለ ዘጽሕፍካ ኣምበበለይ በሎ. Where did I say they have air force, read again.
          And about being from Tigray, if I was I would admit it but remember that Tigray is safer for Eritreans than Eritrean now. But only people with brain can understand that fact
          Go first learn basic facts and then we can talk instead of calling ppl non Eritreans while non Eritrean is running our country

          • Alex

            Hi Isem,
            Tigray does not have its own air force. TPLF moved most of the war planes to Mekelle from debre zait which was the main base of Ethiopian air force for long time using the excuse of the war with Eritrea.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Alex; they got the planes but no pilots. in addition, since the war ended with Eritrea the planes never flow not maintained. they are just there for the show. But i admit the Tigryans have the best air defence system, the best. When TPLF decided to bomb Asmara, there were two pilots in the mission, Colonel Bezabih and Endegena Tadese. When Bezabih was down in Eritrea pilot Endegena made to Tigray, as soon as he reached around Mekelle, he was down by Tigray defence system. LOL What is the worst, the young pilot was dead . don’t be hard on semere Andom if he has to brag about his country Tigray.

    • habte

      dear Horizon
      Your hate of TPLF is blinding you you are not making any sense at all
      Habte

    • kazanchis

      Hello Horizon,

      If you’re writing to feel better by spouting senseless and untruthful accusations on TPLF go on. But, if you really are genuinely making comments, there are things you have missed. Ethiopian politics since Abiy took office has been unregulated and there were dangerous twists and turns in many parts of Ethiopia. Abiy has been chaos merchant and he was inconsistent with his corrective measures, largely he was, as they say, all hat and no cattle. He was sympathetic for OLF armies robbing banks and killing civilians so on and so forth. The Amhara activists have been encouraging to be armed and fantasizing to attack Tigray. They blocked a federal road connecting Tigray with the rest of Ethiopia for more than a year and when all of these things happen, Abiy was happy and enjoying the show. He is angry when they attack the OLF in Wollo and he started to feel uncomfortable. As for the Liyu Police, Tigray has been threatened by every corner, the Amhara region militants were demanding give us order or resign “Enchbetatlen” and all of these need to be countered and Tigray also justifiably have faced present danger and you cannot accuse it for having proportional force to ensure peace and stability of the region.
      Finally, there are many criticisms on Ethiopian federalism, but there are no sound alternative solutions since 1991. This federal arrangement has out lived TPLF at 4Kilo for reason.

      • Hi Kazanchis

        What individuals like me are writing about tplf is just the tip of the ice-berg when compared to what history has to write in the future about the power that came to destroy ethiopia by killing its people, looting its resources, pitting one ethnic group against another and tried to leave behind a country that will not be able to live in peace and harmony. No other power tried to destroy ethiopia as tplf, other than foreign invaders and enemies. Only during tplf were the words that gave ethiopians their pride, ethiopia and ethiopianism, became a taboo, and were replaced by ethno-nationalism, parochialism and anti-ethiopianism. Today’s pains are the aftermath of the 3 decades and more of anti-ethiopia conspiracy.

        For tplf and its supporters all these did not exist, and if they existed they should be forgotten. No, they should live forever in every ethiopian memory who wants to have ethiopia a home, and doesn’t plan to leave ethiopia after she has been turned to ashes as tplf plans to do. What ethiopians got from tplf and its supporters is not an apology, but a defensive stand, a justification for tplf’s actions and bravado on top of everything. Be sure, no one is happy with bad memories. Simply, one should be in constant vigilance that the ugly chapter of ethiopian history, the tplf chapter, is not repeated.

        What are the things said about tplf that are senseless and untrue. Are the killings, tortures, incarcerations, corruptions, looting, the crippled, the sodomy, your female fighters peeing on men, water bottles hanging from the genitalia of male prisoners, the rapes, etc, untrue? If tplf officials were innocent, they wouldn’t have hid themselves from the law. You can’t exonerate tplf.

        Olf was the foster child of tplf, its mercenary, that tried to destabilize the country so that it could come to power and make the second mistake in history of bringing back tplf to power. Olf and amhara activists have nothing to do with Abiy, otherwise, he would have left them to arm themselves and things would have been extremely difficult. Why is he hunting down amhara hardliners today and putting them in prison, if he had a plan to unleash an attack against tigray, and why is olf on the retreat today in oromia, if Abiy supports olf.

        It is tplf that started by blocking the way to the federal army, and if amharas and afars block roads, it is a lesson learnt from tplf supporters in tigray. Even then, the government had tried to solve the problem, and it has not leave tigray to its fate.

        If you support tigray to have its own armed force why do you complain when amhara tries to do the same thing to defend itself? Did tplf expect that others would simply sit and look. It was a wrong move. Unfortunately, most of the things you say above do not hold water.

        Finally, ethnic federalism was meant to disintegrate ethiopia and not to unite the country. A three decades addiction is not an easy thing to quit, and ethiopia will suffer for decades to come, thanks to tplf, unless a miracle happens.

        • stewie

          hi horizon
          “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression” describes Amhara chauvinist perfectly. Your Ethiopia never existed, it was an empire kept together by extreme force. Its the equality and freedom of nations and nationalities of Ethiopia that you find unacceptable. I Have news for you, your amhara hegemonic version of Ethiopia is dead and gone since 1991, it will never come back…It would have happened no matter what. Amhara chauvinist have no moral authority to talk about human right violation, your history is soaked in blood.

          you are showing what kind of a lier you are when you wrote “It is tplf that started by blocking the way to the federal army” everyone can check for themselves, that’s is a blunt falsehood.

          Tigray was no threatening anyone like Amhara chauvinist. For your information, Olf is much more older than tplf.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam stewie
            2 things, 1, ethiopia(Abyssinia) was there for long time as identity and as a country and will be there forever in whatever different shape or forms, ethiopia is an identity, amharic is a language, amharic was never been identity .
            2, olf don’t mean oromo people, even 5% of oromo was not sympathetic to olf cause but in tigrai case. tplf was and still is tigrai, that is the difference and fact on the ground, now days the people of tigrai r more hardliner than tplf.
            and it’s ur right to decolonize urself but u can’t say there is no ethiopia.

          • Hi stewie,

            You said, “Your Ethiopia never existed”. So, that is the reason your tplf worked over time to destroy her and could not succeed. Are you really serious when you say “equality and freedom of nations and nationalities of Ethiopia”? What equality and freedom are you talking about, when they were ruled by tplf themselves or by tplf proxies? Examples are somali state, where tplf officials were profiting big time from contraband trade, gambela state, where most of the land was owned by tplf officials without even paying a cent, but through fake bank loans, afar state, that was more or less ruled by tplf, and amhara and oromo state officials were despised by their own people, because they were considered sellouts to tplf. This is the freedom and equality a la tplf, which you are proud of. It is naivety.

            Amhara chauvinists may not have moral authority to talk about human rights due to the blood they shed, as you say, but your tplf proved that it is even worse, one of the reason it is confined to its enclave, away from the people of ethiopia. Ethiopia will be better off without these two. Tplf and amhara chauvinists have no place in today’s or future ethiopia. They are spent out morally and practically, and they will never come back to power in ethiopia. Be sure about that.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam stewie,

            You said:

            “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression”

            This is true.

            You also said:

            “Your Ethiopia never existed, it was an empire kept together by extreme force.”

            Here, you are wrong. Ethiopia existed in different shapes and forms for many thousand years. Empires expand and shrink from time to time. Also, all empires are held by force and a varying degree of violence. Nothing original.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Simon,
            Are you sure Ethiopia existed “for many thousand years”?

            I think present Ethiopia didn’t exist even for more than 150 years. Present Ethiopia is a result of expansions by Minelik. Before that, there were many kingdoms, sultanates, localized governments of different forms. But Biblical name Ethiopia meant all of Africa south of Egypt–to the confines that the Greeks knew of present Africa. Minelik used that Biblical name and adopted it to his empire. The Axumite kingdom was not knows as Ethiopia but Abyssinia–locally “Land of Habesha”. Haraer was never Ethioopia. Zeila to Afar land and the adjacent cost was “Ber Salahaddin” (The Coastal area of Salahaddin). Further to hinterlands and highlands, for example places like Bale, Argoba, etc, and southern shoa were 7 separate but allied Sultanates. I stand corrected if you have another explanation. Thank you

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            I am sure.

            Starting from the Kingdoms of D’mt and then through Axum and up to the present day, Ethiopia, irrespective of different names, existed.

            Empires expand, shrink and split. That is what happened to the various empires, Greek, Roman, Persian, Muslim-Arab and other empires.

            Whether you hate him or love him, the Amhara-Oromo Menelik had to do what he had to do. He took defensive steps on his flanks to counteract aggressive moves by the Europeans and Muslim entities.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,

            My argument is specific: Ethiopia as we know it today, didn’t exist 150 years ago. For instance, we cannot say Spain is Roman or Arab because it used to be so centuries ago or vice verse

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            Empires are living, organic things. They follow the birth, growth, death and rebirth cycle. A case in point is how the Persian empire resurrected itself again and again; this time it may be gone for ever.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            Empires have boundaries and they evolve. Ethiopia was not called Ethiopia since it began expanding. Before it did, many parts were not called Ethiopia. Therefore, you cannot pretend the lands it expanded to didn’t exist and define that as Ethiopia. That is my point but if you feel this will be a circular argument, let’s top it here

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            I don’t ask for a lecture but an answer to a specific question. Can you tell me which religion is indigenous in your view?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            Am not sure but spain was not created by roman or arab, don’t u think, it has different similarity with that of ethiopia and abbissnia.

          • Saleh Johar

            TA,
            I juist brought it as an example. If it doesn’t serve as an example, just skip it othewise we will branch out. My point is, an egg is an egg though a chicken is a hatched egg. When we see a chicken, we call it a chicken, not “a chicken that used to be an egg”. The name and the description changed and though connected, they are no more the same. Hope this example works, if not just ignore it 🙂
            .

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            the present day ethiopia was created 150 years ago by Abyssinians (by one of Abyssinia king) by conquering the one that u mentioned above , so ethiopia is the extension of Abyssinia.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Tedros,
            Your reasoning is just your view, it’s not a universal truth. For example, I hold that it is a creation not an extension since the parts are larger than historical Abyssinia. Just a few or call it an argument.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            Yes u r right, the present day ethiopia and Abyssinia, is like Yankees and US America.

    • Admassie

      Selam Horizon,

      And, what is this time TPLF is responsible for?
      You stated, “Tplf has already created a renegade regional state within the federation, and this might have given the wrong signal to amhara hardliners.” Regional states have their own armed forces for legitimate reasons. How forces are being used could be debatable. But no one is a bad precedence to no one. However, somehow, you managed to tie up the sad incident happened last week in Bahir-Dar to TPLF. That is mind boggling.

      For now, the incident remains as a loud alarm for Abiy, ADP and the country at large, because it happened by a person from amhara. Had the incident been acted by a tigrean and the generals killed were from amhara, God, it would have been the end of history!

      I have mentioned my concern about Asaminew Tsegie, in this forum, some days before the incident that he was begging for war. But no clue he would end up killing his own comrades. ያዳቆነ ሰይጣን ሳያቀስስ አይለቀም እንዲሉ it was the same assassination plot that he was obsessed with put him in jail before he was released by Abiy. He was hailed as a hero when he came out of jail. The populist ADP (አዴፓ) leaders feared him, also wanted to be seen a fierce resistant to TPLF, brought him as a member to their central party organ and put him as the head of the regional security office. ADP borrowed agendas from ANM (አብን) and became complacent to the hate ridden propaganda against tigray by its members like Asaminew Tsegie.

      It is his road blockade, arming civilian and saber-rattling make others feel unsafe. Not the other way. It was him who want bring raya and wolkait by force. It is the areas bordering to Semien Gondar who passes sleepless nights because of Asaminew’s youth ” we will throw you to Tekezie” ቀረርቶ. It is his youth harassing ordinary vendors (who happen transporting their purchase home) and damaging their goods that makes others feel alerted. But not the other way!
      Did the Qimants feel safe while Asaminew hovering over them? No!

      Had he been alive, he could have been a good Ratco Miladic, a general hailed by the Serbian nationalists who ended up breaking Yugoslavia!

      Admassie A.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Admassie,

        “Had the incident been acted by a tigrean and the generals killed were from amhara, God, it would have been the end of history!” Yes indeed! The patience of the Tigray people and their leaders is amazing with all the conspiracy against them and the destruction of the properties of those who lived in the other states. From the get go, Abiy’s policies was detrimental to the unity of the nation by releasing criminals who can not stop from committing the same crime. He did it to blackmail his predecessors. The perpetrator General has already mobilized a social force against Abiy and the central government before the coup attempt.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam.aman h
          “a man who lies for himself and believe his own lies , become unable to recognize truth either to himself or any one else, and end up losing respect for himself and others”
          this quotes, explain u morethan anybody else in this forum.
          u want other to believe a video prepared by the likes of u? “Adognchen” bu”ls””t, a known one of digital woyane site , just like u this video is trying to eliminate amara’s support to 3A.

        • Admassie

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

          Unfortunately I could not listen to the link for we are blocked from YouTube. (It is an act EPRDF was condemned for as “undemocratic” in previous years for shutting down the internet when ever there is unrest in the country.)

          The ignorant act of Asaminew and his followers would have brought us to a new dangerous situation had he been succeeded. But, for the moment, we are lucky.

          The Amhara regional state do not have able and strong leadership. ADP is more of የመንደር የፀበል ማህበር. Otherwise, how could be war an agenda to a region with so much unemployment and poverty? It is in front of their own eyes a falls victim hood and siege mentality is hatched and as a result ክላሽን became a substitute to በሬ. People start selling their livelihood and buy a Kalashnikov for at least 120,000 Birr.

          Abiy was watching while this is happening and he knows what the consequence would be. But, he was OK as long as TPLF and the people of Tigray are intimidated. Now they nocked his door and the stability of the country and as a result we will see what lesson he will draw.

          • Nitricc

            The ignorant act of Asaminew and his followers would have brought us to a new dangerous situation had he been succeeded. But, for the moment, we are lucky.

            Hi Admase, the Tigryan! Sure for you a Tigryan under Amara name might sound ignorant but what the man left behind, I don’t think you have the capacity to understand it. The Amara is awaken!

          • Admassie

            Selam Nitricc,

            Come on …who decides what of me?
            ወልደው ሳይጨርሱ ጉድ አይሉም …You have your own boiling issue at home. It is a matter of time. Better to learn from our sad incidents instead of insinuating misery. You are not an exception. You are the other side of a coin.

          • Nitricc

            You have your own boiling issue at home

            Hi Admasse; What issue? Not at all. As soon as the man currently in power will leave the panorama of power; Eritrea and Eritreans will pick up and keep marching to the promise land. Eritrea doesn’t have ethnic, Killil and language problems. On your side, everything tangled and convoluted. However; From what I see and observe; the fate of united Ethiopia rests in the hands of Amara. You really need to be carful in that regard.

          • Admassie

            Selam Nitricc,

            Well then…እንደ አፍህ ያድርገውና please, relax and enjoy the show on our side when we are on each others throat.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Admassie; you will be fine. Just ask your PM to grow a couple of pears between his legs. Tell him A government must be respected and feared. This a good time for the PM to get things right.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam admassie
            u said “who decides what of me”? u said it urself in this forum, who u r.
            u also said ” on each others throat” , i can tell u this, i(presumably millions like me) don’t see u(ur kind) as one of us! so stop using the word “eachother”.

          • Alex

            Hi Admassie,
            Yes you are right like any country we have our own issue but our issue is manageable if the current Gov can institute the frozen constitution but we do not have the time bomb of ethnicity that can undo a country.

          • Admassie

            Selam Alex,

            I wish your country’s problem be manageable. There is nothing good to feel joyous when misery is falling up on peoples.

            My point is stop jugging us while you have your own problem at home. You said it is manageable. How do you know?
            1. You are not yet in the situation.
            2. From what you see so far, do you feel you are managing your political differences?
            3. Do you think the Libyans had “ethnic time bomb” when they throw out Ghadafi?
            4. We have also a working constitution if it matters, but we are still in problem.

      • Kaddis

        ሰላም Gash Admassie,
        To add few points here, Asaminew was released during Hailemariam time based on EPRDF decision, Abiy was not in the picture. Abiy picked him to start a fight with tplf but deterrence works.
        Now, ADP is currently eliminating NAMA አብን using federal power = Abiy. If people think EPRDF will leave power this easy it only shows they have not learned from undermining tplf.
        ADP let the childish ABN expose itself now being jailed

        • Admassie

          Selam Kaddis,

          Thank you for the correction. Indeed, it is at the time of PMHD resignation that many got pardoned. Things are moving fast and catching the track is getting very difficult.

          ADP has now got a huge chance to depart from its populist stand under the shadow of ANM. They need to create a strong leadership and bring the amhara region out of the anarchy. Building up for showdown and making confrontation with its own folks around is not in the interest of the amhara people and it is not their quest either. The amhara people, like their brothers and sisters of Ethiopians need peace and want to throw away the shackle of poverty from their shoulder. They don’t want demonize and dehumanize others, rather the would like to see their dignity and humanity respected. All the fanfare for war is the agenda of the hate mongering elites (የሞገደኛ ደባትራን መንጋ), but not the people.

          Admassie A.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.admassie
            1, fact, u can not speak on behalf of the people that u not belong to it, u can’t even speak on behalf of any society, u r one miserable individual, so speak for urself.
            2, as far as i understand the meaning of “debetra”, it means devil worshipper (the opposite of priest), reread ur own comment and ur comment is a perfect prove that u r “debetra” and tigrai is a country(state) known to have a lot of “debetra” morthan anywhere else and that is a fact.

          • Kaddis

            Selam selam,
            I would advise ADP/ODP to go through a competitive mandate, in fact all of them, rather than assuming people will live forever without a voice. I know the horn politics is 20/80 means 20 % geopolitics and 80 % locally decided. ADP or ODP are not capable nor willing to ensure policy independence to benefit their people while balancing the new cold war, China vs US.

          • Admassie

            Selam Kaddis,

            Whether bad or good we need direction to navigate. And policy independence needs set of policies to guard and road mapped for achievements. Now we are still begging for direction – ወዴት ነው መሄጃችን?
            እንግዲህ ጸሎት አጉድለን እንደሆነ አይታወቅም አብዝተን ምህላ እናድርስና ፤ ማን ያውቃል ለባለትንቢቶቹ መሪዎቻችን ይገለጥላቸው እንደሆነ እንይ፡፡

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Admassie,

            Politics does not work by love as Abiy was preaching. Also “በምህልላ አይሰራም”. Politics is resolved by continuous engagement, by compromise of give and take, and by listening grievances of each other and addressing them accordingly. In short it is a matter of fair sharing. A leader should be born to navigate you out the current mess and keep the gravity at center strong enough to hold the periphery together to ensue the stability of the state and the nation. At the end of the day democracy without stability can not take roots and flourish in your country. It is a simple premises that every politician should understand.

            Regards

          • Admassie

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            The “ምህላ” thing was me being sarcastic.

            I agree to your note, “At the end of the day democracy without stability can not take roots and flourish in your country.”

            It is in the name of fake democracy that my country is on the verge of imploding. At this stage, if democracy is not meant for peace, if democracy is not meant for development and progress, if democracy is not meant for the rule of law and if democracy is not meant for justice and fairness, then I would say, ዴሞክራሲ ባፍንጫየ የውጣ!

            “የተሃድሶ መስመር በመባል የሚታወቀው የለውጥ አስተሳሰብ በኢህአዴግ ውስጥ የበላይነትን ከተጎናጸፈ በኋላ ቀጣዩ ሥራ በመንግስታዊ ፖሊሲና ሰትራቴጂ መልክ ቀርጾ ህጋዊ ተፈጻሚነት እንዲኖራቸውና በምልዓተ ህዝቡ ታውቀውና ታምኖባቸው በሥራ ላይ እንዲውሉ ማድረግ ነበር፡፡ በዚህም መሠረት ከ1994-1995 ዓ.ም በነበሩት አሥራ ሁለት ወራት በታጋይ መለስ የተዘጋጁት አምስቱ መሠረታዊ የፖሊሲና ስትራቴጂ ሰነዶች የመንግስት መመሪያ ሆነው እንዲጸድቁ ተደረገ፡፡”

            The above is from Vol. I of “ኢትዮጵያ፡ የህዳሴ ጉዞ” of Meles Zenawi’s policy and strategy working drawing for development and democracy. We can agree or disagree on the content of the policy and strategy planned. But, to watch a political party with such a tremendous experience and culture in setting a clear road map and vision getting paralyzed and failed in doing the very basic task, keeping the country stable, hurts bad.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam admassie
            I think u forget to mention, the policy strategy that prepared by meles in 1993-1995 was a 60 years plan and it is the strategy and policy that is in place right now (ithe only thing 3A planning to change is foreign policy).
            untill to day eprdf as a whole don’t have difference on the 1993- 1995 strategy and they all r determined to implement the 1993-1995 strategy. the only difference eprdf coalition have is on the implementation of the strategy.
            if somebody don’t stop some of the plan on the strategy, not just it will disintegrate ethiopia but there will be 20 way civil war.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TA,

            So you support the policy and the strategy – a 60 year plan drawn by Meles? And you know the front-party (EPRDF) support his 60 year plan. Ahmmm. Then I don’t understand your whining day in day out against him? You are afraid if they stop that policy Ethiopia will disintegrate. At least good to understand it now.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.aman h
            the document(strategy) that admassie is talking about is, for eprdf is like a constitution, this document is the idology of eprdf and the detail don’t show or discuss in public.
            it prepared mainly by meles and review in 1998ec by meles.
            as far as i know some of the policy is very dangerous, like the land policy, media and ethnic. This a strategy planned to confuse ethnicity and at the end eradicate ethnicity, and the media strategy is more dangerous,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TD,

            According to your comment, if the policy is implemented the country will be disintegrated. So are you for it?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.aman h
            No, am not for it(the implementation of the strategy).

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            my bad, i was trying to say ” unless somebody stop it,.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TA,

            You have said also: “untill to day eprdf as a whole don’t have difference on the 1993- 1995 strategy and they all r determined to implement the 1993-1995 strategy.”
            If so, does it mean if you are against those long plan of EPRDF you are also against the EPRDF party?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            how is me saying ” until today eprdf as a whole don’t have difference on the strategy and they determined to implement the strategy” shows my support to eprdf?
            yes i am against same of 1993-1995 strategy plan, mainly, the ethnic, media, land and so on strategy plan, but am also hopping 3A gov will implement it positively and in a better ways.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            what r u talking about ? I said why would i support it, it is prepared by meles for obvious reason. I said No, i don’t support it.
            what is that u talking about?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TA,

            If you say this: “if somebody stop it, some of the plan on the strategy, not just disintegrate ethiopia but will be 10 or more way civil war.” Aren’t you for the implementation of it, in order to avoid the scenario you put for us?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            I said ” if (unless)somebody stop it( the strategy or road map), not just it(the strategy) will disintegrate ethiopia, but there will be 20 ways of civil war”. How is that sound supporting? unless u lost ur mind , it is clearly, i don’t support it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Admassie,

            Thank you for bringing for bringing Meles’s policy and strategy on the “ኢትዮጵያ፡ የህዳሴ ጉዞ” as a long national project in a picture of our debate. I don’t have the detail info of the project. Therefore, I will ask you few questions to have a general glimpse about it. So here are questions:

            (a) agree or disagree, were those policy and strategy of “ኢትዮጵያ፡ የህዳሴ ጉዞ” were enforced as a policy during his tenure as PM?

            (b) Did those policy and strategy have brought certain changes in the economy life of the country? If they don’t, What were the fallout of the policy? If yes, what is the difficulty or the problem of continuing that policy by the PMs who came to power after him?

            (c) If there was opposition to those policy and strategy within EPRDF party as a governing body, were the opposition presenting alternative to it in their in-house debating?

            (d) If there were competitive policy within EPRDF, could it be that difference of policy and strategy that ensued power struggle within EPRDF after the death of Meles?

            (e) Could the front-party survive after the recent saddest event in your political discourse? If the fracture of the front-party occur what will be the fate of the country, where single party from the existing can’t rally the entire nation? I will be grateful if you could share your view and reading from the realty on the ground.

            Regards

          • Admassie

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Meles’s road map has picked five major policy areas of the country in a very detailed manner.
            1. የገጠር ልማት 2. የዴሞክራሲ ግንባታ 3. የማስፈጸም አቅም ግንባታ 4. የኢንዱስትሪ ልማት 5. የውጭ ጉዳይና ደህንነት
            It is compiled as a book in one volume of 734 pages. It is in Amharic and most probably the original documents are hand written.

            To your questions:
            a) Yes, his policy and strategy were the policy of EPRDF and the government during his tenure.

            b) Certainly it has brought major development of the economy and the physical and social infrastructure. Initially, it created capital locally through mobilization of small farms and this gave the state a capital boost to invest on infrastructure and housing and ultimately it has woken up the slumber economy.

            The difficulties, in my opinion, are:
            1) We are still an agrarian society and in agricultural led economy. Productivity on the
            individual farm matters a lot in the over all development of the economy. The number
            one strategy, “የገጠር ልማት”, has pointed out a number of mechanisms how the strategy is
            implemented. But, I do not think due focus and support is given.
            – Access to finance for the individual farmer is very difficult. The mini size horticulture
            farm has got far greater support comparing to the large size small farms, where as, the
            contribution of the small farms to the economy is far greater than the horticulture.
            – The cost of agricultural inputs such as fertilizers is still a burden to the farmers. The
            initiative producing fertilizer locally using the Potash deposit in Afar is still distant.
            – We are not providing the farmers with affordable and simple technology. (case in point:
            One of METEC’s task was producing affordable machinery, equipment and tools for the
            farmers.)
            2) The “የኢንዱስትሪ ልማት” strategy is not in full gear. Or may be it is faltering. There seemed
            some contradictions among policy makers in EPRDF. Bereket Simon tells in his book ,
            “ትንሳኤ ዘ-ኢትዮጵያ”, that Arqebe Uqubay’s strategy suggestion to build industry park in
            selected cities took away the priority of implementing the initial strategy on building small
            agro-processing industry in small towns near to the rural areas. Bereket says investing in
            small agro-processing industry benefit us greatly, because, it employee huge labor, create
            market to farmers, substitute imports, increase urbanization and reduce migration to big
            cities. It seems on the ground that Arqebe’s strategy took precedence.

            3) “የማስፈጸም አቅም ግንባታ” is not implemented as planned and has a big contribution in building
            the other policies as intended. But it will be a huge challenge for years to come. It is
            much complicated for it is related to citizen’s conscious, capacity, culture, ethics and so on.
            Creating capital for Ethiopia was not much difficult comparing to building the capacity of
            citizens and institutions.

            c) I am not privy to the internal debate. But, based on Bereket’s book, the one alternative policy
            presented for discussion, after Meles passed away, is Arqeb’s strategy for the development of
            the industrial parks. Bereket says, building the parks is against the decision of EPRDF.

            d) I have not heard any competitive policy presented apart mentioned above that would cause
            power struggle.
            e) I have a faint hope that EPRDF could mend some of its fracture learning from the sad incident
            last weak and becomes strong. I think the tension between TPLF and ADP could be lessen and
            they may lower down their rhetoric on both sides. I also heard Abiy is softening its stand
            against TPLF.

            The future is very blurred. The incident last week has a tremendous effect in shaping the
            power struggle among parties in the future. The measures Abiy takes regarding
            last week’s terror and keeping the country stable is also a factor in deciding EPRDF’s chance
            of wining the majority. ODP and ADP will face a big challenge in their respective regions. They
            need to get a wining vote collectively as EPRDF. Parties like Berhanu Nega’s may win in Addis
            and some vote in amhara region, but they will not win the majority. Therefore, EPRDF is still is
            the viable party to lead.

            Admassie A.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Admassie,

            Thank you very much. It helps a lot for our debate. I was not aware Meles’s policy and his roadmap for the 60 years plan of “ኢትዮጵያ፡ የህዳሴ ጉዞ” strategy was compiled in a book – and as such a big book, with 734 pages. One hopes that the Ethiopian elites put a big harness on their egos, focus on peace and stability of the nation, and give priorities to their destitute Ethiopian people. By that I mean, to focus on security and economic development that could change the lives of the Ethiopian people. I wish you to find a quick exit from the current mess.

            Regards

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            the little economic growth that ethiopia seen the last 15 -16 years was mainly because of the somehow worked(it worked in some part of ethiopia) agriclture development plan and the devolution of “birr” .
            If u remember in 1998 ec the government devoluted “birr” almost 100% and caused a big inflation and that gave the “extra producing farmers” a chance to sell their products to a very high price and that gave the government to collect a big amount of taxes and that gave the government a chance to build school, housing and so on.
            anyways, how come u worship meles day in day out, with out knowing his policy much?

        • Admassie

          Selam Kaddis,

          Thank you for the correction. Indeed he is pardoned by PMHD at the time of his resignation. Things move very fast and keeping the track correct is getting difficult.

          The new development could be a huge chance for ADP to redeem itself and depart from the populist stand under the shadow of ANM. It should recreate itself for a strong and visionary leadership that bring the amhara people out of anarchy.

          Building up for showdown and confrontation with its fellow Ethiopians around is not the call of the amhara people. What it needs is, like the rest of Ethiopians, peace and to throw away the shackle of poverty and destitute for once and for all. Demonizing and dehumanizing others is not the people’s agenda, rather they would like their dignity and humanity respected.

          The fanfare for war is the craving of the hate monger elites (የሞገደኛዎቹ ደባትራን መንጋ), not the amhara people who are toiling for surviving.

          Admassie A.

  • mokie berhe

    Salam all. Dreaming of Golden Years and interested to see others take on when Eritrea and Ethiopia’s last Golden Years occurred. For Eritrea, at least to me, the period 1991-1998 (pre-border war) were Golden Years. Yeah, I know that there were problems even occurring then but the general mood was optimistic and the future looked quite bright. For Ethiopia (same with Eritrea), I understand that it depends much on who you ask. For TPLF members of those that they served as benefactor to, I am sure that they would say that the period 1991-2016 were Golden Years.

    As David Bowie said:
    Don’t let me hear you say life’s taking you nowhere, angel
    Come get up my baby
    Run for the shadows, run for the shadows
    Run for the shadows in these golden years

    • Paulos

      Mokie,

      They say, there is a first time for everything and this is the first time I must say, I agree with you.

  • Selam All,

    I doubt if ethiopians really know what they want, if peace – security – development mean anything to them, and living in poverty and destitute provided they are proud amharas, oromos, tigrayans ….is everything to them. Even if their poverty and destitution when compared to other africans, let alone to the world community, is skyrocketing, they seem to feel comfortable. That this is the only meaning of life they understand is mind boggling, otherwise they could have made this in every aspect rich country a dreamland at least by african standard.

    Our backwardness has brought the country again to another crossroad. From here it is easier to go to dictatorship and chaos than to democracy, unless ethiopians are born again. There are not enough places at the helm of power for every ethiopian and every group. The demon of ethnicity/tribalism has turned brothers against brothers and friends against friends, ready to destroy the country due to distrust and greed. Ethnicity/tribalism is a disease that will kill the country, especially when fools and selfish people deny and hide their disease, or even adapt it weird as it may look.

    If the people hate to live in peace, security and development under democracy, then what other choice is there to protect them from themselves? Is dictatorship the only way for a third world country like ethiopia, and whoever comes to power should wear the garb of dictatorship and hold the stick of coercion in his hand, for there is no other way to rule the land?

    Even then, i would like to believe deep in my heart that dictatorship is not a panacea for ethiopia nor for any other country.

    • Teodros Alem

      selam horizon
      1st i want u to know that I didn’t read ur comment after 2-3 line.
      I know for u everything is about stomach and food , and if u have that, it is ok to be “snoopy dog” but there r a lot of things in life.
      the country poltics and gov structure is based on amara, oromo, tigrai and so on ethnic crap.

      • Paulos

        Tedros,

        “First, I want you to know that, I didn’t read your comment after 2-3 lines.” You really are a funny guy!

        • Teodros Alem

          selam paulos
          here is another funny, aregawi berhe went to mekele to attend the funeral of seare and bff, guess what happened? the angry people at the funeral kicked him out bad and police rescued him and than arrested him for one day to save his life from the angry people at the funeral,
          the reason i didn’t read horizon comment was because it was boring to read it afterwards.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            “Dr—B*’ll Sh*t” Aregawi Berhe is an opportunist who would do anything for power. His “legacy” if he has any is stained so is his posse “Engineer” Gidey Zeratsion. They are both big time losers.

            *He writes absolutely cra*ppy book and he calls himself a Ph.D. These people are funny.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.paulos
            calling those who don’t agree with u b”ll sh”t is bullshit.
            for me the police reaction, his tigrai based poltical party and the place and situation of the incident is funny.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            You know what, I change my mind. From now on you are one my favs in this Forum cuz you’re funny.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            It is not me, it is what happened to aregawi funny. but again u not a kind of person who knows sense of humor, u r tplf which is nagging, bagging, sabotage, jealousy, killing and so on.
            so i don’t believe u know anything about fun.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            Trust me. I know one when I see one. Keep on making us laugh for we need the dosage for free as opposed to paying up for a stand-up comedy.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Now i see what u exectly saying, i can see how i hurt ur feeling bad.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            It is alright. Chill and try to have fun. Don’t take life too serious because as they say, life doesn’t take us too serious. Am out for now.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            don’t take life serious? that is tplf indoctrination of scarface for Crap and inti-life maintality. ,it is the other way round, don’t take crap like tplf serious , life is precious.

          • Peace!

            Paulosay,

            ወይ ጉድ Dr. B.shit? Are his credentials fake? I know he exposed TPLF and its hallucinations but I don’t know if that make his Credentials B.shit. PFDJistas are doing the same thing with educated Eritreans who expose PFDJ and its crimes.

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi Seb,

            Have you read or seen his book? It is hardly an expose’. I say the same thing about those hard-core TPLF as in Addis-Alem who is also “Dr—B*’ll Sh*t.” He “wrote” another cr*p book.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulos,

            I am not going to argue with about the quality of his book or his PhD thesis, but don’t you think those who honoured / recognized his work have done the needed due delligence to merit him with the title.

            Your constant (tinfer ember Tel eya) type of argument and defending the TPLF regime, I think is diluting our credibility (opposition to PFDJ). For example:

            i) You said, if Getachew Assefa ( by extension TPLF) was in charge, Ethiopia would still be safe / progressing. That may be true but it can’t be something written in stone and something never changes. The fact that Ethiopia is in mess, I think it has to do with TPLF and not despite. They did not build a lasting institution, they waited too long, no transition plan.
            Melles biggest mistake
            – stealing election 2005 instead of building on it.
            – draconian press law and exiling everyone
            – war on terror and destroying, Somalia, become puppet of the US war ventures, and being short sighted for short term gain and on the bandwagon of war in terror.

            ii) There is a lot worthy of praise but equally, he created this mess. Ethiopia has 100 million people, and to think that a faith of these million of people can depend and decide upon few individuals and party is wrong, in principle, even if all is perfect.

            I think this Dr. Aregawi, I heard about him and I know very little. But he was critical of Melles (e.g. I think speaking about Aide money, I think he even said, his death was a blessing to Ethiopia). It’s ok to disagree with what he said and what he stood for, but TPLF should be praised for allowing him to say all these and he can walk free in his country. And it’s right to provide him the protection he deserves for expressing his opinion, despite how opposed it seems.

            But I don’t think it’s right to say, he is opportunist who will do anything for power or Dr. Bull…t or someone who has lost his credibility because of what he stood for. If he wins or not, let the people decide but he has right like everyone else.

            I don’t think wanting power is being opportunist, if one wants to get it legally (as in running in election) like his case, after being exiled for 43 years, I think there is nothing wrong with it.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY and Paulo:
            some Info/trivia about Aregawi Berhe
            Aregawi Berhe is one of the founders of TPLF and at one point MZ reported to him and then him and Ghidey and an other guy disagreed with the leadership and according to TPLF on petty issues like “is a rich farmer enemy or friend” and after 3 years long debate this issue debilitated the org and MZ told them “may your journey be easy and they deported them. The third guy is unknown until now. I call these guys the Menkae of TPF and they are still alive and in the 40th anniversary of TPLF they paid tribute to them along with MZ and others as founders and tegadelti
            I heard Aregawi once say that he got his Phd in International development in Holland. I have not read or heard about his book
            I also know that when they were at Addis U, one of their friends said that he would buy this kind of car and that kind of sofa and this brand of TV after he graduate and Aregawi beat him because he was angry that their young friend would talk about such silly things while they are debating big ideas of revolution

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም በርሀ፡

            ሓቕኻ። ሎም’ቅነ ጳውሎስ ኣይጥዓየን። ናይ ትፕልፍ ፖሊትቢሮ ዋና ጸሓፊ ክኸውን እንታይ ተሪፍዎ?
            ኣነውን ዲስኩስ ኣሲሩዋ እምበር ንእሽተይ መልሲ ሂበዮ ኣለኹ፡ ብዛዕባ እዛ ዲግሪ።

          • Haile S.

            Dear moderator,

            መጀመርታ “ዒባ ናይ ብዕራይ ሸታሕ እዩ ዘብል” ኢለ እየ ጽሒፈዮ ነይረ። ግና ከም ዝበልኩሞ፡ እቲ ዒባ ዲስኩስ ኣይፈተዎን። ሓቅኹም፡ ተረዲኡኒ ኣሎ። ዒባ ኣብዘይንብለሉ ጊዜ በጺሕና። ዒባ’ዶ ሰብ መሰንበደ? ምጽኣት በጺሑ!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Hailat,

            “ናይ ትፕልፍ…” ኢልካ ዘረባዶሎ’ዩ ኢለ ክሟጎት ሓሲበ ነይረስ ብዒባ ኣስሒቅካ ኣሕዚንካኒ ገዲፈዮ፤

          • Haile S.

            Selam Fanti,

            እዛ “ኣሕዚንካኒ” እትብል ኣይተረድኣትንን። ኣበሃህላይ ብጌጋ ተረዲእካዮ ካይትኸውን። ናይ ሓደ ሰብ ጻዕሪ ብዒባዊ ጸርፊ ምግላጹ ጽቡቕ ኣይኮነን። ሸታሕ ዘብል ቃል እዩ። ካልኦት ንናይ ካልኦት ከምኡ ጌሮም ዘቕርብዎ ዳርጋ ምድጋፍ እዩ፡ ነይሩ ኣበሃህላይ።
            ኣሕዚንካኒ፡ ምባልካ ንባዕለይ እንታይ ድየ ኢለ፡ ደንጽዩኒ ኣሎ።
            ምስ ሰላምታ

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Hailat,

            “ዒባ’ዶ ሰብ መሰንበደ? ምጽኣት በጺሑ!” ስለ ዝበልካ እየኮ ዝሓዘንካ መሲሉኒ ኣነውን ሓዚነ፤ እንተተጋግየ ናብዝነበርኩዎ ታሕጓሰይ ክምለስ ቀልጢፍካ ንገረኒ፤፤

          • Haile S.

            ፋንቲ፡
            እምበኣር ኣነ እየ ብጌጋ ሒዘካ። በል ናብ ታሕጓስካ ተመለስ። ይቕሬታ! ሓደ ሓደ ጊዜ ዋንጫ ዓቲርካ ገጽ ንገጽ ዘይትዛራረበሉ የደናግር እዩ። ኡፍ! ሸተት ኢለ ነይረ!

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam
    seare and bff was killed by Gondera , just like meles .

  • Nitricc

    Hi all, Relax I am having fun with it. I think PMAA is a wasted bullet.
    How and why is this happen in Ethiopia? Where is the source? I am guessing how It all started with PMAA going to Tigrya unannounced. Once In Tigray, he had a very long conversation with Dr. Deprestion.
    * PMAA asks Debrestion what can I do, that will work between the federal government and Tigray state?
    * Dr. Deprestion goes on and on his list; however, he demands one big issue to be addressed first and for most and he stresses this issue must be taken care of in order the difference between Federal governmentand Tigray state to be resolved.
    * PMAA; I am listing what is it?
    * Dr. Debrestion: As you know the Amara state security lead by general Asaminew is getting out of hand. As you know, this crazy general has closed the road to Tigray through Weldya. This is a great shame to the federal government and very indication of its weakness. The goal of the Amara government and general Asminew is to starve the people of Tigray by blocking the main road to Tigray. If this is not enough; the Amara state moved too speedy recruitment of special forces and this is a menace not only to the federal and Tigray but to the very existence of the state of Oromia. General Asaminew not only must be stopped recruiting and training special forces but we ask you to remove him from power all together by any necessary means. When you do this, come and talk me and Tigray state will be on your side and on the side of the federal government.
    * PMAA; Dr. Debrestion; I share your concern but Tigray have special forces, Somalia have special forces, Oromo have special forces, don’t you think it will be unfair trying to stop Amara state from establishing their own special forces?
    * Dr. Debrestion: Let me tell you about governance and government. A strong government won’t worry about fairness, rather about absolute safety and security. If you want unity of Ethiopia and reassurance of your power as a leader control the Amara madness.
    * PMAA; I understand and let me see what can be done.
    * Dr. Debrestion; How you get it done is your choice and we just convey our concerns, that is the only way out and talk to you next time.
    Now PMAA is thinking while flying back to Addis, he talks to himself.
    “Oh my, so, if I screw the Amara, Not only I get accepted by the TPLF and Tigray
    but by the people of Oromo. This is a great opportunity not only to cement my power but assurance wining to the next election. I can’t pass this. what followed is coming…..
    The end of Axum trip. The birth of the Bahir-Dar massacre and the downfall of PMAA.

    • Brhan

      Hi Nittricc
      Wel written script …can you do like that between PIA and Wedi Memher about Wedi Efrem or is it Nata Gedifas Nay Hamata?

      • Nitricc

        Hi Brhan: you are comparing orange and apples. I can’t comment about things I didn’t read or heard. Who is wedi Memher anyways? and what does mean ” Nata Gedifas Nay Hamata”.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc (Hangol derho),

          Fair enough if you didn’t hear about Wedi memhir, but fir sure you heard about Wedi Efrem (General Sibhat Efrem).

          How is that your parents thought you Amharic while you griwubf up in America and they didn’t teach you Tigrinya? I am not even going to bother to explain to you. Now I don’t know if you understand Hangol derho, tasta Di galina or chicken brain, dingay ras :).

          Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe Fezaz; you are the last person to explain anything to anyone. What can I expect from Fezaz. How do you know my parents thought me Amharic? You see how F-up you are. Ayy Berhe Fezaz; Ember Fezaz…

          • Gerogee

            Dear Nitric

            Berhe is unique in that he has 3 bad characters.

            1. Village, tribalism mentality

            2. Weak and low self esteem

            3. Natural born slow.

            Basically a cocktail of 3 horrible characters

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Georgee, Nitricc, Hope, TA and whoever else likes inkliki:

            I hereby dub you minions. It’s time to ignore minions from now on.

            Berhe

        • Paulos

          Nitrikay,

          You don’t know what “Nata gedifas n’Hamat” means? Berhino will be all over you 😂😂😂.

          • Nitricc

            Hay P; I wouldn’t about Berhe fezaz, I can handle him. seriously though I don’t what “n’Hamat” is. As always I ask about anything I don’t know. Nop; I have no clue.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            It is pretty common saying in our society. Let me try to translate it before Hailat or Aman step in to say it right. The context is the usual tension between a wife and her mother-in-law. The wife blames her mother-in-law when the fault was in fact hers. “N’hamata” means “her mother-in-law.” As such, we use the idiom to express sarcastically when someone blames it on others when the blame is in fact his or hers.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጳውሎስ፡

            ብሰበብ ናይ ስራሕ መገሻ ካብዚ ኣብ ሜዳ-ዓወተ ክትኮስ ዝቐነየ መዳፍዕ pro-EPLF pro-TPLF ደሓን ተሓቢኤ ቀንየ’ሲ፡ ሕጂ ገዛይ እትው እንተበልኩ፡ ናትካ ዕድመ ኣብ ኣፍደገ ጸኒሓትኒ። በል ታ ምስላ ዳርጋ ኢልካያ ኢኻ። ወዮ ናታስ ንሓማታ!

          • Nitricc

            Hey P: thanks. I would never have guessed it in million years. I mean this kind of saying one needs to grow within the culture inside the society. In due time, hopefully I will get it. In the mean time Thank you for taking the time to explain. appreciated.

        • Brhan

          Hi Nitricc
          If you knew the difference of orange and apples you would have known what I mean
          The drama you wrote , we have in Eritrea , the characters were PIA and Wedi Memher is one of the generals who are like mafia boss of kill squad and the plot was to get rid off General Efrem
          The proverb in English simply to say charity begins at home and this if you consider Eritrea your home but if you are Ethiopian my bad sorry

          • Nitricc

            you knew the difference of orange and apples you would have known what I mean

            Brhan; You know there are people who are educated beyond their intelligent and they try very hard to sound intelligent, you remained me being you are one of them. I jus asked you a question foe with I didn’t know the answer. instead taking the high road and answer the freaking question, there is no need to go banana for simple inquiry. why complicate? oh complexity.

  • Gerogee

    Dear peace loving people

    There’s a spectacular, amazing and beautiful Candlelight vigil for Heroic in Brave Ethiopian real General! I want people to go ahead and watch it in YouTube it’s spectacular! the aerial footage is out of this world.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Gerogee; he is going down with Belay Zeleke and Atse Tedros. He is a brave man. When all the truth come out, he will be celebrated for eternity. By the way, he killed himself.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate:

    B R E A K I N G N E W S!
    NEWS/ERITREA

    Rights group accuses Eritrea of persecuting exiled activists
    Amnesty International report says Eritrea’s human rights activists not safe even if living abroad.

    by Malcolm Webb
    7 hours ago
    Aljazeera English

    • Gerogee

      S. Berhan

      ENOUGH tplf movement is dead! Now we come out with the fake Story concocted by CIA! Human Rights Watch is a CIA front. Human Rights Watch is funded by US government. U.s. government is enemy of Eritrean people. Anything they say right is a lie.

      • Brhan

        S. Gerogee
        Watch out the policy of this forum : there is no “enough” in the awate forum. Sorry if you are disappointed.

        • Paulos

          Selam Brhan,

          The sad thing is, this great Forum is flooded with paranoid lunatics including that Tedros dude who got nothing of a substance to offer but pathetically boring monotone. I really miss the great debates between Hayata, Muhamuday, Sal, Amde and others. As we used to say it in lamentation back in Asmara, እንታይ ክንገብር ኢልካና ምስ ባዓል ካላታት ተሪፍና!

  • mokie berhe

    Salam all. Tigray secession from Ethiopia? Please be my guest! Badme would be quickly reclaimed by Eritrea and the Amhara would take back land earlier stolen by the TPLF. And, many benefits would await Ethiopia should this occur to include: 1) More equitable redistribution of wealth and land holdings, 2) Reduced corruption, 3) Reduced underage sexual exploitation, prostitution and STD rates; 4) Government security vehicles camouflaged with U.N. plates would disappear; 5) Refugee numbers in Ethiopia would drop, 6) There would be less public urination in Addis Ababa and other urban centers, 7) Illegal contraband would be reduced; 8) More tax revenues would be generated, 9) University admission procedures would be more fair, 10) Per capita toilet paper use would increase, and 11) Ethiopian Airlines would no longer give free tickets away.

    • Brhan

      Hi Mokie,
      What a sat·ire!!
      Is this related to article 32
      who do you think will follow
      the Somali, Oromo ( if they have a map except the map created by EPRDF) and may be the Afar
      Who do you think will remain at the end : the Amhara of course,
      Thanks for the satire

    • Paulos

      Mokie,

      There would be less urination in public in Addis and other urban centers. Per capita toilet paper use would increase. 😂😂😂. Thanks for the laugh. Good one!

    • Consolation

      Mokie,

      The Tigrayans have cried wolf so many times that now no one believes they have the guts to go. What is Tigray if separated from |Ethiopia? Nothing. The hope that somehow they can hang on Eritrea’s coattails is a hallucination. Why should we have anything to do with these backstabbing scam.

      BTW, I just found out that Tigray gets 70% of its electricity supply from the Amhara Kilil. If the Amhara extremests take control in that region. , the first thing they will do is cut that. It is remarkable that the Weyane thugs never thought that they would lose power . That is why they have put themselves in such precarious situation. The illiterate cadres at Tigray Online may shout about an independent Tigray, but the Weyane leaders know that that is suicide.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Consolation
        not just electricity but tigrai gets a lot of 70% supply from amara region.
        so it is crucial amara “extremists” take control of the region, it will make the job easier and with out any cost.
        the killing of those 3 dead leadership is one very very big step forward.

    • Kaddis

      HI Mokie – one small correction –

      the name I heard circulating is “Ethiopia Republic of Tigray”… 🙂

      • mokie berhe

        Salam Kaddis. LOL. Well one never really knows do they? Yesterday, someone was showing me a website that was promoting a new Somali Island nation where interested foreigners could purchase prime beachfront property for residential or commercial purposes.

  • Selam All,

    It seems that eritrean officials were present in bahr-dar for the funeral, but not in mekelle (if i am not mistaken). If so, any explanation for that?

    • Teodros Alem

      selam horizon
      It is obvious but since u r mo “snoopy”, it is not obvious for u.
      sudan officials was there too, they didn’t go mekele.
      the point is, if tigrai wants to exist, tigrai and tplf better bow down for eritrea, atleast twice a day and ask forgiveness, honest forgiveness , if they want to exist as a country , i know thet dam and they don’t understand it but if u pay attention for what going on in the horn region, u can see they r in trouble, they have nothing except big mouth and so many enemy , the rest of ethiopia is a done deal with them.

    • Gerogee

      Horizon

      I think you need to understand the deep mistrust we Eritrean people have with Woyane. We want to move on. Woyane the absolute uncreative force want instability for its survival. Eritrea message is we will work with peace loving Ethiopians. Mistrust creates instability. Instability creates difficulties that disrupt normal life. It takes resources from development. Had there was a direct link to Ethiopia without Woyane curse land believe me we would ignore the s…..t out of them.

      It will happen and it is happening. Amhara are systematically and tactfully eroding Woyane grip. It is a delight to see them chopping Woyane evil and shortsighted agenda.

      • Paulos

        ገርግስ,

        😂😂😂

    • sara

      selam all,
      if i may interject quickly…. ..i am not sure of what you wrote… but a delegation from Sudan was in Ethiopia… i think somewhere in north Ethiopia for the funeral.

      • Selam sara,
        You are right. There was a delegation from sudan too, and it was in bahr-dar with the eritrean delegation. I am not aware of a sudanese delegation to mekelle.

    • Brhan

      Hi Horizon
      The PF(JD) won’t attend in party or funeral in Tigray. It is going to be a long way.
      The PF(JD) and TPLF speak the same language but have different hearts!

      • bmi1

        Total number of Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia to 175,000.

    • Consolation

      Horizon,

      Not in Mekele? You got to be kidding me. Why would any Erirean official be at the funeral of a Weyane thug?

      • iSem

        Hi Conflicted Consolation:
        How about the thugs in Bahri Dar, who made us pay for 3o years, who burned villages, killed women, raped young girls.
        All is good provided they are human butcher IA ally.
        You guys are sick and we need Noah’s flood to cleanse our country from your worm infected thinking.
        ANd tomorrow, if IA hears voiced while drinking and goes to Mekele, you will go with him. He was holding hands with Debretsion in Humanra, your im*bicle

        • Teodros Alem

          selam isem g:)
          now i know a scared to death for beloved tigrai, know i know why all those talk about tigrai’s navy and air force crap talks. busted.
          by the way General Addem Mohamed become chief of staff of ethiopia defense forces, replacing the dead seare .

      • bmi1

        Ethiopia is host to the second largest refugee population in Africa, sheltering 905,831 registered refugees and asylum seekers as of 31 August 2018. So far in 2018, They are mostly from Eritrea and South Sudan.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate

    What does a foreign big news means to the ruling regime in Eritrea?

    In these days when Ethiopia is busy with attack to its generals and federal statesmen,
    1.The dictator has unleashed a campaign to close all clinics run by the Catholic churches and arrest their staff
    2. The regime continues its intimidation not only to Eritreans inside Eritrea, but also overseas. In Kenya, Abeba Woldemariam is now exposing the regime who continuously intimidated her . According to Aljazeera news of June 26, 2019, the Eritrean ambassador in Kenya has tried cowardly to deport her begging Kenyan CID who gave him deaf ear
    3. The regime has sent a condolence to Ethiopia via tweeter only and there is no mention to this in Hadas Eritrea as it will raise question such what about General Sebhat Efrem

    stay tuned more Eri_ news and info will come

    • Gerogee

      Bryan

      As you know catholic church have significant BOY raping problems. It is said to be a child molesters paradise.

      What do you think is the possible motive for the “closure” of clinic .

      1. Perhaps they violated local licensing

      2. Instigating subversive action

      3. Allowing the clinic to be used for disablizing Eritrea

      I.e. office copy machines being used to copy anti Eritrea posters.

      4. Interference in government affairs.

      5. Sending child molesters from other countries with out vetting.

      6. Talking about human rights while for 2 thousand years it has been raping boys.

      Catholic “church” has always been a very questionable entity. It is always against change. It is always has been on the side of oppressor. It is heaven for boy rappers. Thank you for understanding.

    • Alex

      Hi Brhan,
      Just don’t rush. The killing in addis and bahrdar was in ERI TV news of June 24. Go check it out

      • Brhan

        Hi Alex
        I am talking about the condolence not the killings. They are two different things

  • Gerogee

    Hi humble people

    If there was a fair world…Woyane fake generals would be arrested long time ago. For crime against humanity. For sending 120000 young boys and don’t forget donkeys too to be Slaughter on Eritrean minefield……🐃. and how do they become generals? How many generals do you need anyway? What Battlefield have they won general ha ha ha. the only thing tplf did was send a little boys to be killed that’s all. And have you noticed they have the title doctor it cracks me up every time

    • Consolation

      Hi Gerogee,

      The Weyanes in Tigray and their cadres here would like us to glorify their support in the war against the Derg and want us to ignore their horrendous attempt to erase our sovereignty. So here you have, Seare Mekonen, a battalion commander made General, who attempted to capture Aseb in an idiotic mad rash in which over 15,000 Ethiopians perished and we are supposed to ignore that. It is like a person gives you a dollar when you needed some change and then steals a thousand dollars from you and expects you to continue to be grateful for that one dollar he offered. I want these cadres to remember that it was the EPLF which drove its tanks into Addis Ababa and installed the Weyanes into Minilik’s palace. Otherwise, they would still be having a few stone mills in Tigray.

      • Gerogee

        Dear Consolation

        You know Eritrea have real battles harden and truly tested military men. You see them walking among the people. And you wouldn’t even know who they are or that they have done the impossible, defeating enemy 10x bigger.

        It is a shame that we Eritreans are not preserving our history. Telling our story. Woyane and general do not go together. Derg can claim general because they have fought real battles. Woyane hired Ukrainian mercenaries and Israeli field commanders…to fight the war for them

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear George,

          Wow! Really? You are feeding us ahistorical account. Do you need to add garbages unrelated to our heroic Eritrean history. Can’t we be proud by the uncontaminated Eritrean history? In a strategic wars there is always push and retreat. Push when the momentum is on your side. Retreat when the momentum is not on your side to secure your man power. Our heroic history is more than enough to be proud of. You don’t need to create history that dilute our true history.

          • Gerogee

            Dear AH

            What are arguing about? What did I say that got you excited? You usually stay on your robotic ways. It is actually funny to see you get jittery, lol. And I know it is not cheap fake coffee at your work. Nothing move the Woyane cadre like the mentioning of Woyane in a negative way. It cracks me up every time.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear George,

            You know what lies you add to your comment. Clear your clouded thinking or propaganda based on the concept that if there is no added hand in their fight they can not make us retreat. Such assumptions in military war is an absurd to say the least. By that you don’t know your enemy even to make wars against them. What is this Ukrainian and Israel thing? Please to push and to retreat are the conventional war tactics unless you lose the total war effort and vanquished like what happened to Derg by your alliance. Even with that the bogus PM of Ethiopia who is friendly with your demigod told us “Derg was not defeated”. Stop from whinnying “Wayne-Wayne” day and night. They are laughing at you.

          • Gerogee

            AH

            At least I am defending my country you on the other hand whining in defense of backstabbing Woyane.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Gerogee,

          you wrote “It is a shame that we Eritreans are not preserving our history.

          That’s good idea, that is preserving our history. Can you please tell the PFDJ and your god, what happened to our heros and their where abouts..those battle hardened generals that defeat the enemy, the likes of, who are either in prison, disappeared and killed by IA security apparatus, the likes of :

          General Mesfin Hagos
          General Uqbe Abraha
          General Biteweded Abraha
          Maj-Gen Berhane Gerezgiher
          Maj-Gen Teklai Habteselasie
          Brig-Gen Stifanos Seyoum
          …and many more who are in IA prison…

          Yes you should be ashamed of your god that you worship. Why do we have the status of “Pushkin” erected in Asmara (I mean if it was there build by Italians or the Turks, I understand you leave alone as part of our history) but to actually spend money and build one, when there are so many Eritrean heroes, it’s disgrace…..I have never seen such hate towards his own history and people. I mean we have Awate, Ibrahim Affa, Woldeab Woldemaria, Ibhim Sultan…but instead “Pushkin”.

          Live with this history of shame..we don’t have to be ashamed of anything..we know we will build our history and we will build our status…

          Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Berhe, the brightest

            You missing one person who run away and hopefully he will be captured very soon, I forgot his name. He is abroad.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Gerogee,

            Your patriotism is phone..you are just a hired propagandist of the fake IA.

            BTW, do you know that IA when he failed his first semester in AAU, he approached Haile DuruE and told him he want to join ELF. Haile DuruE arranged for this travel, gave him money and send him over.

            Haile DuruE, was arrested three times, tortured beyond believe, loosing his nails.

            In all those times, his mother was able to visit him and use to send him food and clothing.

            The last time he was arrested by the devil IA, his mother denied any news and where about and died without knowing what happened to him.

            IA, even erased his name and identity, denied medication for his diabetes and gone blind and eventually died in his prison.

            This is the legacy of your hero, IA. Trust me, we will avenge this cruelty of IA and his groups.

            The TPLF that you love to hate, they never treat any of their own (even their worst enemy) as such.

            Berhe

          • Gerogee

            Berhe

            Your awraja mentality is in full display 😀….keep it coming. I see you are basking on fake stories. All lies. Made up story. Dishonesty is the hallmark mark of weak people. You get comfort in your clicks silly story that you swap with village mentality:) PIA is the man that delivered. Sorry I you can’t change that. When Eritrea became a country PIA was the leader. When your Woyane got beaten down to the ground PIA was the leader. There is nothing you can do about it. I wish I can help your illness. As my uncle would say eziattom meheferi humumat senef

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; do you believe there is positive thing in the most tragic events. Oh yes, you better believe it. I have read much Ethiopian violence political history and in all of them the victor has humiliated the loser in the most evil way. But this time around I witnessed something classy and human. It is expected, the likes of General SaAre and all other dead pro Government personals to get all the respect, sympathy and all the hoopla but for the loser it supposed be to be leaving their body on the street for everyone to spit on them and humiliate as much as posible. Not this time! I watch the body of General Asaminew getting all the respect when reaching to his killil’s airport. There were priests and a huge crowed waiting for the body to arrive. This is tremendous growth. There is hope for Ethiopia. That is humanity as its best.

    • Paulos

      Nitrikay,

      If you see a sense of humanity in the Ethiopian people when they have so much respect for the dead and if you see some sort of hope in the country, how is that even logical for you to support a cruel leader who doesn’t have any respect let alone for the dead but for the living as well when the remains of Naizgi Kiflu who was his best friend is still begging for a proper burial in his country Eritrea. I sure don’t get it!

      • Nitricc

        Hey P: the same way you support the TPLF thugs. Why are not only supporting weyane, but you die for them why?

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,

    As tragic as the events may be, for Ethiopia watchers the broader perspective and ramifications thereof might be more important than the account of who did what. This and other developments are reflections of the complexity of the transition from the EPRDF lead developmental state to free market liberal system under the federalism, which is ailing from overdue transformation under the shaking administration of Dr. Abij. I am missing sober assessment of Fanti and Amde.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ismailo,

      Abiy has no vision whatsoever. He is the messenger of foreign interest. Just read the input of Kaddis. It gives you good picture as to what was/is going on in Ethiopia. The political division between the Ethiopian Elites is on Unitary vs Federal system. And I don’t think they will find an exit very soon as far as it has foreign intervention in their politics.

      Regard

    • iSem

      Hi Memhir IsmailAA:
      The developmental state run its course, I think as far as I can tell, only China succeeded in that so far. I believe MZ’s was a suspect and given how Egypt played a role in our revolution, the foreign hand in Ethiopia must not be ignored and its diverse society couple with tribal alliances, it is a fertile for the political invisible hand and interferences.
      I think the country is suffering from the ethnic malice that saddled it for centuries
      I am now thinking can we see the brewing crisis as :መሲበተ ቆውሙን ፈዋእድ ዕንደ አኽሪን or is it the reverse for us.
      One thing is for sure. Abiy cannot talk his way out of the challenges and this obsession with the unitd Mama Ethiopia is a myth like the 3000 story. I remember my friend Berhe Y telling me that one Oromo leader said some time ago, “separate from who and what. So I think allowing those who want to go alone and then developing the part that is willing to stay in the union, will spare lots of blood shed. Once the remaining country is developed the starving killils will come begging.
      Remember the USA confederates who tried to separate and got bankrupt and then came back to the union. No Ethiopian blood should be spilled if any ethnic group want to separate, you cannot do anything about if they are hell bent to separate like Eritreans did. But first diagnosis is needed to decipher if the problem is need to separate or conquer

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Sem,

        The “developmental state” wasn’t only successful in China, but also in the “Asian tigers” that include – Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea & Taiwan, as well as the “Tiger cub economies” that include – Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines & Thailand. Just to bring them to your attention.

        Regards

        • iSem

          Hi Memhir Emma and brother Horizon
          You are both correct. I was thinking about when China was transition from communism to semi market and Ethiopia from revolution (communism) then ethnic and then to Abiy. But I agree with of you and thank you

      • Consolation

        Hello QahSem,
        Tou said “and given how Egypt played a role in our revolution,” I assume by our revolution, you mean the Eritrean liberation struggle. If that is so, can you t ell us what role Egypt played in our revolution? Wow is it possible that you too are from beyond the Mereb.

        • iSem

          Hi Consolation: Your assumption is correct
          I know, they do not teach that in the OPFDJ and YPFDJ. But Egypt supported the Eritrean revolution, they allowed radio broadcast for WELWEl and Sultan and allowed student activism and even monetary support . But this was not because they believed in the sovereignty of Eritrea but to sow chaos in Ethiopia so they do not use the Nile river and when Eri got is independence Egypt never supported it.
          No I am not beyond the Mereb, but my country is run by those who hail from beyond the Mereb and its supporters
          Do facts matter to you?, they do, it is good for my intellect. Egypt wanted perpetual revolution in Eritrea
          There are advantages of being beyond the Mereb now for starters you can be president of Eritrea and the economic head of Eritrea and the security chief too

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            Can you see how shallow they are when he asked you if Egypt played a role in Eritrean revolution which is supposed to be Modern Eritrean History 101. No wonder Isaias is left with either Amiches or spoilt br*t YPFDJ with no clue what so ever.

          • Consolation

            Aye Dottere,

            Your genius is that every comment you make reduces your fraction.

          • Consolation

            QahSem,

            I am really impressed with your knowledge of Eritrean history. So you went to the 1950s and that little help Egypt rendered was worth of your mention. I tell you what, the Sudan did a million times more to support the Eritrean revolution. The Egyptian “help” is not worth mentioning. But people from sigr dob (mereb) think that because Egypt has a reason to weaken Ethiopia it supported the Eritrean revolution and you were just repeating that mantra.

          • iSem

            Hi Consolation:
            Yes, I agree you should be impressed by my Eritrean history knowledge.
            I am not mentioning the Egyptian help as a positive one, Egypt wanted perpetual revolution in Eritrea and Ethiopia. Mantra or not, it is fact, Egypt did not even support Eritrean independence, it was using the Eritrean revolution to do its biddings
            And what the hell do you know about help Sudan gave to Eritrea. I say nothing, zero, they benefited from from our suffering
            ዓጀውጀው አይትበል, about things you have no clue, your only citation is the PFDJ groupies drinking spree

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            The Sudanes Government, other than the “port of entry” to our shipments and consignments, both organizations have received armaments at some point from the Sudanese Government. I was at the receiving end of those help. The problem with the Sudanese Government towards our people was when an Ethiopian leader is on a visit to them there was always “mass ግፋ” of Eritreans in Khartoum. In short Sudan was our degen. It would have been difficult to our struggle without their help. It is just a matter of fact. We should be thankful for them.

            Second, at least I could also witness that both organizations have received a shipment of arms from Egypt in 1979 when I was at the receiving end. This is fact and we should appreciate any kind of help rendered to us. Just for the record.

            Regard

      • Selam iSem,

        In SE Asia and China developmental state succeeded because they had a very low level of corruption and the culprits were severely punished, even with the death penalty. In ethiopia, on the contrary, the pervasiveness of corruption at every level in the tplf government, consumed the very heart of developmental state, and it was doomed to fail leaving behind a huge debt and many unfinished developmental projects. That is what happened and here is the difference.

  • Kaddis

    Selam Awate,

    Well written – lucky me travelling and with internet
    Two things I see differently

    There is no apparent evidence Dr Ambachew and Gen Asaminew differ either on their irredentist, blue blood Amhara back to the glory hardliner ambition or approach. Rather – Gen Asaminew created a security and political pressure (using ABN, Fano) to get rid of Degu (Wollo) to bring Dr Ambachew ( both Gonderes). Since Dr Ambachew’s coming to power – Asaminew became more wild, funded and politically coordinated with ABN via Dr Ambachew. Both have been killing all the minorities in their region (Qimant, Benishangul, Oromo) and in active conflict with the federal state ( Oromo elite ) with the blessing of Dr.
    Ambachew.

    If you have noticed the violent unconstitutional loyalty buying changes started in Somali region by Abiy, then Benishangul, Harar, ….the latest in Oromia, it made sure the President of the regional state is removed. The centre would not leave the Amhara president and just remove its security chief who could easily be replaced. I have been crying over Kemal Gelchu and Asaminew vindictive assignment ( Abiy assuming it will attack north but realised its his risk to clean ). The assignment of both security chiefs have been deadly; its just people cry more on TV along their blood line.

    The second issue I differ is where the biggest risk comes from. Its not these constructed ciaos ( Isias favourite phrase ) or the new “shock propaganda” “coup attempts” or “losing Ambachew” that Abiy is using to justify blocking access to information, intimidate Eskinder Nega and the usual mass jailing ….its the realisation of the mass, particularly the fairly organised Oromo youth – that the changes will not bring neither the right to choose their leader ( no election, no legitimacy, just fake OPDO ) nor better living condition. The biggest changes will be a garage sell of public properties ( under US pressure) which will make the government even more weak to deliver anything.

    The US, Abiy, Isias, Gulf ambition of Unitary state (refer to H.Cohen latest BBC rant), at will to do whatever it wishes Vs federalist forces demands looks irreconcilable.

    • Hope

      Welcome back Ke’Addis;

      Your analysis sounds plausible–superficially.

      But you are insulting the Intelligence albeit deliberately and your Hypocrisy sounds boundary-albo.

      U said:
      “.If you have noticed the violent unconstitutional loyalty buying changes started in Somali region by Abiy, then Benishangul, Harar, ….the latest in Oromia,…”
      Don’t you know s to why Dr AA did what he did ..by allegedly buying new Leaders and presidents in those Regions?
      You are advocating what those Leaders had done to the poor people?
      Plus,he has a Constitutional Right to hand-pick his Cabinet and subordinates,not to mention what he did was for the nation’s BEST Security Interest.
      U denied him a credit he deserves for resolving one of the most dangerous Inter-ethnic conflicts in the world.
      U smell like a TPLF Cadre,in my opinion based on your seemingly biased analysis..

      • Paulos

        ሆፕ,

        በቃ ኩሉ ሰብ ንኣብይን ንኢሳያስን ዝቃወም ዘበለ ናይ ወየነ ካድር’ዩ? ኣየ ንስኻ!

        • Hope

          Selam Doc:
          If it swims like a duck,walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,it should be a duck!

          • Paulos

            Selam Dr. Hope,

            Shifting….Hagos K’sha is in China. What is PFDJ up to?

            The magic of China is that a single political party is controlling 1.5 Billion people! How is a single party pulling that off? Perhaps, Kisha is there to inquire about that fundamental question.

            Well, thing is, any government can own legitimacy to rule only through popular vote but certainly that is not the case with China. The Chinese Communist Party is gaining legitimacy by providing the people with decent life as in competitive standard and quality of living. More over, the Party was able not only to creat a vibrant middle class but the middle class gave it legitimacy when the Party met the constant economic demand of the middle class. Can PFDJ do that?

            It can only do that when it turns inward and restructures the state apparatus instead of spending its energy on a failing foreign policy simply because foreign policy is a reflection of a sound internal policy. Instead, PFDJ is gaining legitimacy through subjugation and brute force and obviously it hasn’t thus far worked.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            Very true. But now it’s too late. Even if they improve the 1 and 1/2 class 🙂

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            You certainly know more about PFDJ than the rest of us for you have studied them for ever. It is rotten to its core. As the Italians say it, “Un pesce inizia a marcire dalla testa.” PFDJ is irremediable.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulos,

            It’s nothing special and it’s not anything specific to Eritrea. He was as a delegate of the ERITREAN government participating in “on China-Africa Cooperation forum two day summit”. He had photo up with the Chinese FM, may be a little side talk”.

            Their discussion was “Kemey Alo Adi, DraHan, president kemey alo, bTaEmi Subuq. Kiremti kemey Ali, May ke yiharm do alo. MeliEu kulen digatat.”

            Nothing else, Eritrea economy is insignificant to the Chinese, compared to the other players in Africa.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            As you know, the fundamental question boils down to whom does the new century belong to? USA or China? China is undertaking an ambitious plan otherwise known as “One Belt One Road” with one Trillion dollar expense to connect practically Europe, Asia and Africa with China. Mind you, in the Marshall Plan, the US spent “only” 100 Billion to rehabilitate Europe after World War II. And you can see how far reaching China’s ambition is.

            The Chinese may not be focusing on Eritrea’s economy but Eritrea’s strategic location is on par with say, Panama Canal, Gibraltar or Suiz Canal where powerful nations covet for to rein in their vital economic and military interests. The sad thing is that Isaias squanders the golden opportunity when Eritrea is lagging behind practically every nation including those land-locked.

          • Hope

            Selam Doc:
            My stand on the chaotic and erratic policies and diplomacy (getting better a bit)of the PFDJ is but CRYSTAL CLEAR.
            Until it declares National Reconciliation and Amnesty; and until it implements the inclusive Constitution and its provisions–including Freedom of Economy,Freedom of Regulated Movement and Regulated Freedom of Religion,the PFDJ shall be considered as another enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans.
            NEVER ever even dream that the PFDJ and its Leadership will transfer the Power to the People voluntarily or peacefully—maybe a 0.001% chance
            It will strive to consolidate its power the Fidel Castro,Chaves and Chinese style.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All;
    I don’t think the Ethiopian people ever find the truth to what happened to General SaAre and his friend. I am trying hard to connect the two incidents between Bahir-Dar and
    Addis. First I ruled out that General Asaminew has something to do with the Addis incident. I read the killer guard was recruited by general Asaminew, but the truth is General Asaminew recruits and trainee didn’t graduate till recently and current grads won’t make to guard the country’s chief of staff. So, forget that BS. So what really happened to general SaAre? I have no idea where I read it but it sounded credible. The story goes like this.. PMAA calls General SaAre and asks him to send federal forces in to Bahir-Dar. General SaAre replays sure, let the killil make a request and I will send federal forces. And again he was told “just do it, Now” And General SaAre replays, that is not how it
    works, it will be illegal for me to intrude in to Killil without their formal request. After this incident, PMAA decides to order federal forces in to Bahir-Dar. Once the federal forces arrived at Bahir-Dar airport, the killil special forces reject the federal soldiers. At this point the killil forces were told that they are the prime minister’s special guards and the prime minster is here. At this point the killil let the federal forces enter Bahir-dar. In the meantime, General SaAre was assassinated right after he finishes speaking on the phone
    with somebody. So, is it fair General SaAre was killed for refusing illegal order? This is the only thing makes a little sense. One thing people you need to understand is that to be a guard of county’s chief of staff, it is the toughest process and they don’t just bring a solder fresh graduate. To be that top guard you are vetted to the max. So, till any story that comes out that a little plausible, I am rolling with this stroy as conceivable one.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      I think it’s easier to write a novel than trying to piece this together. AT did a great job detailing all the pieces but I think it felt short in the getting to the bottom of the whole story.

      What exactly happened in the meeting? Who ordered the shooting and who took the shots.

      How come there was no eye witness who tells what happened and what he/she saw.

      I listened yesterday on ETV of three guys who were at the meeting, for over 30 min long. None of them said what he say and what happened. All they said was

      1) we lost great people including the General
      2) we have to move forward and make peace

      They never accused the General was behind it, or that he was responsible etc. If the General was not dead during the shooting, and he had nothing to do (at least not trigger the shots himself) then why was he hunted down and killed the next day.

      He is material witness and wouldn’t the government do all it can to capture him alive and get to the root of the problem.

      I think I had enough of this and give it a rest.

      Berhe

      • Nitricc

        the government do all it can to capture him alive and get to the root of the problem.

        Hi Berhe; that would have been the greatest mistake by the government. The Amara youth is all out for General Asaminew and if the government has said captured, hell will break and that would have been the end of PMAA and the fake federal system. What the Amara youth saying is that PMAA so scared to go Mekelle and capture Getachew Asefa but in Amara killil he doing what ever he wanted and that was precisely the point of General Asaminew. The general have the full support of the youth and we will see how unravels itself.

        • Berhe Y

          Sorry Nitricc,

          Nobody is allowed to take the law in their own hands, if that’s what happened. Now they made a martyr out of him, do you think it’s going to be better.

          Anyway, I should keep quite. Let the Ethiopians find peace.

          There is more pressing news happening in our country that affect us directly. The Catholic Church is in confrontation with the ERITREAN government and I really admire these brave bishops.

          The Orthodox Church, 4 of its priests from the monks have been arrested.

          There is arrest of Christians in Keren (30 plus I heard) and the PFDJ is going on it’s regular terrorizing the public.

          Berhe

          • Senay Zer

            Dear Berhe — Or, various Eritreans – mosques, churches, high school
            students etc – are getting bold at standing up to the gov of PIA that
            has being terrorizing them for nearly 30 years.

          • Hope

            Selam Berhe:
            Thanks for the news:
            If true:
            “There is more pressing news happening in our country that affect us directly. The Catholic Church is in confrontation with the ERITREAN government and I really admire these brave bishops.

            The Orthodox Church, 4 of its priests from the monks have been arrested.

            There is arrest of Christians in Keren (30 plus I heard) and the PFDJ is going on it’s regular terrorizing the public.”
            That will be the beginning of the end of the PFDJ,if it crosses the line by jailing the Catholic Leadership.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; I don’t think you are understanding the whole story. Who will have a meeting on Saturday 5.0 pm unless it was an emergency to take action on the general. remember he is security chief of the state. when that happens you diam right you take the law on your hand. A respectful person dies in dignity and that what the general did.

          • Desbele

            Thanks Berhe,
            DIA’s regime have forcefully wrenched off oxygen cannulas from patients as it closes health centers run by the Catholic church. The church has called for national prayer and fasting until 12 July. By the way it is five monks who are detained in Ghindae.One of them, Aba Kibreab, had previously been detained for three years before this recent incident. Yiakel kneeling down to the monster!
            Keep up discussing our own issue and pain.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Berhe,

        There is a YouTube interview from a member of the Amara kilil administration (in charge of communication) who was around where the incidence took place. In his interview, he said that General Asaminow was giving the directions.

      • Hope

        Berhe:
        Before Gen Nittric calls you back Hangol Derho or Fezas,be mindful that when you are fighting head-to-head with an enemy and when your enemy is trying to kill you,you better try to kill them first…

        Capturing?

        Why wasn’t Wedi Ali captured?

        Ab Quinat Zei-WeAle Jignas…….

        “LeteKematch Semay Kirb new” bele Amharay!

        Where are U now-a-days Guad Abinet?

        In Bahir Dar fighting along with Gen Asaminew?.

        Hope you are safe.

        The Amara old-styled Chauvinist and Expansionist nonsense seems to be a bygone one with Gen Asminew.

        You better stay away from biting Eritrea.

        Read History

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Hope,

          You really are Hangol derho. What’s the difference between criminals (those who commit crime in their own) and the government then.

          Why you give me example of the most criminal government in the world: re:IA government.

          Wedi Ali did not go to kill people and take a law in his own hands but to force the government abide by law and constitution. The government took the law in its own hands and assassinated him.

          Abiy, who took oath in front of millions people to uphold the constitution. And the constitution says, bring those who committed crime to justice.

          May be they tried and may be the had no option but I doubt it.

          Killing one individual is not the problem, the problem is what is this going to turn to?

          Berhe

          • Hope

            Berhe Shikorina:

            Your hangol derhonet is exponentially sky-rocketing every day.
            The PFDJ is the only criminal Govt?

            There is one truth u cant forfeit:

            The CRIMINAL PFDJ has kept ERITREA INTACT compared to the the Criminal of the criminals,the TPLF.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hope,

            I don’t know what to call you anymore. There are 194 + countries in the world and over 54 only in Africa.

            Why are you so obsessed with TPLF and it’s the bench mark for us Eritrea. Look blame them all you want, and I really don’t care if they exist or disappear, it’s for the people of Tigray / Ethiopia to decide.

            Just think about it though, how many thousands of Eritreans are safe and living in peace in Tigray. Just imagine if that many people cross to Eritrea, how would you react.

            I know it’s not perfect but, it’s us Eritrean going to their land and to their homes and based on the meager resources they have, they did their best to accommodate.

            Eritreans have more right there than they do in their own country.
            For that, and only that alone, I think the deserve my respect and gratitude.

            Berhe

    • Hi Nitricc,

      It is a good scenario, but you have not told us who killed the Chief of Staff who refused to execute the PM’s order to send the federal army to bahr-dar. Was the bodyguard assigned to the post by the PM’s office, was he sent on the spur of the moment, did the bodyguard take order from the pm’s office, or did the pm send a hit squad at that very moment?

      Remember, the wife of the general was heard saying as she was lamenting the death of her husband that she didn’t like the bodyguard, because he was fidgety, and she had told her husband as he was answering the call or calling. He was said to be near the general while the rest were at the entrance, gate, whatever.

      The PM of Ethiopia is the head of the Ethiopian government, the most powerful figure in Ethiopian politics and commander in chief of the Ethiopian Armed Forces (Wikipedia). Does this put the General under the PM in an emergency situation or not? Can the PM order the deployment of the federal army in an emergency or not? How could the General refuse to execute the order of the PM? Is it possible for the General to wait until the killil president (who was killed) demands it, and when at the same time the Commander in Chief orders him? Is he in the plot to refuse orders?…etc. You have not answered these fundamental questions in your scenario.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Horizon; The identity and ethnic of the killer will answer many questions. One thing I am confident is, the killer can’t be General Asaminew’s recruit or trainee. then the question be then who? Can TPLF time this to this perfection? I don’t think so. TPLF thugs are evil but not intellectuals, so this one will be over their pay grad. Like I was asking Berhe; what was the emergency for them to call a meeting on Saturday 5 pm? It not normal unless it was that urgent and PMAA was involves. And I believe General Asaminew know all this BS and he went as a true General. No General should be captured and cry. NO! when I see those Ethiopian generals cry yesterday; I wonder why the Eritreans beat the hell out of them. You don’t cry if you are a general, NEVER. I know you are going to tell me they are human and all BS, but NO. They may cry in their sleep but not in public and in front of soldiers you command. I respect how General Asaminew went out.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc
      Some one called you General for being hotheaded and that gone to your head, now you are starting to write fiction.
      1) In military it doesn’t work like that. Abiy is the commander in chief of all Ethiopian armies forced and his order is final and obligatory as far as G. SeAre was concerned. G SeAre had no mandate and would not question it even if it was in breach of the constitution.
      2) You seem to suggest Abiy is involved. Well why would you assume Abiy goes this far for simple matter as refusing an order? Because you didn’t find satisfactory explanation? I heard the guard is from Gonder. Would that help you? As far I know Abiy has no heart to commit this crime, even IA wouldn’t have done it. This is the most ridiculous story and it can come only from frustrated mind because the reality is not matching his political narrative.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Aman; I just gave the possible ifs but why don’t you present what you think happened? instead of rejecting out right.

        You seem to suggest Abiy is involved. Well why would you assume Abiy goes this far for simple matter ad refusing order?

        Go to enlist in the military and refuse an order and then only then you can tell me about simple matter as refusing order. Go ahead try. Let alone that higher up order, even for simple ordinary solder refusing orders is death.

        • Amanuel

          Hi Nitricc
          My opinion is the guard killed G. SeAre because he is from Gonder and he was recruited by the extremists, whom are bent on hatred and revenge.

          As per military order yes if you are talking about Napoleon time the punishment was death. If you remember during the 3rd round boarder war (not sure if you were Eritrean by then) there was an incident where a commander who refused direct order from IA to vacate the Beru front and go to Massawa. All heavy artillery and tanks were with drawn but he refused and fought with what he had and saved Asseb. His name is RiEsi Mrak. Do you know the victory of Adi-Shrum was as the result of refusal of an order? Refusing an order is not punishable by death any more in a practical sense in the 21 century. Most of the time it is punished by demotion and discharge with out honour or imprisonment at most.

          • Hope

            Selam Aman:
            We are familiar with the Eri Heroism at Burrie Front and Ad- Shirum,the MAJOR reason we have questioned IA and his dirty agenda.
            BTW,can CC that to Georgee the naive and “IGNORANTE”?
            The ref you made to Nitric is irrelevant;plus,the Ethiopian saga is totally a different one.
            Our Heroes’ cases were to SAVE Eritrea but that of Gen SeAre’s alleged refusal was ….r unknown and unclear as of yet.

            But what Dr A/AA/Colonel AAA did -if at ll he did it was but a MUST and recommendable.which would make him to be eligible to be a Full General.

      • Hope

        Aman:
        The 5* General is just speculating and “opinionionating” on speculations and opinions !
        The toxic social media is to blame,the Dihital Weyane particularly?

        Can’t u smell it as to who might be behind this toxic bela-below people are quoting and regurgitating?

        Say it after me and LOUD:

        Digital Wey-Ane!

        Do u know what the TOL has been propagating against the Amhara Region and Dr AAA?

        Do you know who said what about the GERD Engineer’s Death?

        The same TOL and Digital Wayane was blaming Dr AAA!
        As an experienced military man,please help me understand as to why the Commander-in-Chief DARED to fly on an emergency basis and land in the middle chaos and war zone…. risking his life !!
        Gen SeAre was the one,who should have done that!

        • Amanuel

          Hi Hope
          You are giving weyane to much credit. They must be special people to accomplish all the staff they have been accused off. This reminds me the old Arabic story where a boy was asked why he failed his exam and he replied because of Israel.

          There was no reason for the PM to go to war zone ( not sure if he went) as that is not his job. In my opinion that job is beneath Colonel or a skirmish to be honest.
          Let me tell you what Wedi Efrem told a friend during the boarder war. IA was deeply involved just before the 2 round and the friend asked Sbhat why he was allowing this to happen? That would be disaster considering his (IA) truck record specially involving human life. Sbhat replied “I have tried but couldn’t restrict him as that is (leading a major battle) missing from his CV and he is not going to stop at any thing”

          • Hope

            Selam Aman:
            I did NOT say that he went or should have gone but he allegedly went apparently coz the situation was fluid and his Chief of Staff–refused to do so quoting the Constitution.
            We are debating for the sake of it.
            But Horizn has a point -in response to Nittric.

  • Nitricc

    he was the commander of the Badame front during the Eritrean-Ethiopian border war of 1998-2000.

    Hey AT, I thought He was a commander of Bure front not Badame. At least that is what I read and my understanding is, just little details.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Nitrickay,

      I think you are right on this one. I just read the life history of General Saere and he was leading on the Bure front.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Aman-H; do you know what amazing is, he fought in war for 40 years and he survived, yet he died at home bullet in his back. Sad. I didn’t read his life history but I read that PMMZ he consulted the three war front Generals during the war and were asked if the war could go forward and Badime, front say, No. And the Tserona front says no. the only general who said I will try is general SaAra Bure front and that was a mistake on his part. so, how I suggest for AT to correct.

      • Hope

        Seam Ustaz Aman Hidrat:
        You quoted:
        ““ሻዱሻይ ወራር ወይ ድማ ወራር ቀይሕ ኮኾብ እናተብሃለ ዝጽዋዕ ንምምካት መራሒ በጦሎኒ ኾይኑ ናብ ኤርትራ ኣምሪሑ ምስ ተጋደልቲ ህግሓኤ ንሓደ ዓመት ዝኣክል ጅግንነት ፈጺሙ ከም ዝተመልሰ ብጾቱ ይገልጹ።”
        And you also said:
        ” I just read the life history of General Saere and he was leading on the Bure front. “.
        The de facto 5* General Nittric said and quoted:

        “…..the only general who said I will try is general SaAra Bure front and that was a mistake on his part. so, how I suggest for AT to correct”..
        Funny that you emphasized and focused on Gen SeAre’ Jeghninet” /Bravity at Sahil Front rather than questioning and condemning his expansionist but miserably failed ‘Jeghninet” a Aseb Front.

        Ezias sussa allata Governor to be of the future Eritrea Region of Future Eri-Tigray Republic Ayte Amanuel Hidrat.
        Where is Peace or Blink?

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Hope,

          ጥዑይ ሕሙም ዲኻ?

          Berhe

          • Hope

            Hahah Bereh MeArrey:
            Cool down.
            Nai BiHakki Hangol Derho…

            May be I am” ጥዑይ ሕሙም ዲኻ” but NOT worse than Berhe though.

            Are U Aman’s spokesperson?

            If so,for how much?

            He is the same guy,who have been adoring PMMZ in particular and the TPLF in general.

            He was a TPLF hand-picked Rep of the Mercenary EDA in N America.

            I challenge you to connect the dots if you have a better hangol than that of a Derho.

        • Consolation

          Hope,

          Aren’t you hoping a little too much for A Weyahe collaboratgor, who in the 1998-2000 war was allied with the Weyane, to condemn SeAre for his disastrous Bure front attempt to capture Assab? Don’t you get it that for all practical ppurposes people like A H are Weyane. They sold their sould for 30 dinars and that is the way they will end their misserable lives.

          • Paulos

            Consolation,

            Seare’s heroic and eventful life was read out in public including the exact date, month, and year he spent in ሳሕል to give a helping hand to Isaias’ cornered and desperate azz. But you guys pathetic and sore losers that you are, you have been peddling lies after lies and denying Seare’s selfless gesture who would have spilled his blood for Eritrea.

            Seare certainly survived the battle in Eritrea but other Tigreans paid dearly fighting the Dergue who would have otherwise caged the full blown Tigrean Isaias. If you have an iota of integrity in you, be thankful to the Tigreans for saving you from the Dergue’s merciless wrath where you would have been speaking Amharic by now. The Tigreans to their credit are grateful to EPLF for giving them the necessary training and other logistics in their nascent years. That is called a character!

          • Nitricc

            Seare’s heroic and eventful life was read out in public including the exact date, month, and year he spent in ሳሕል to give a helping hand to Isaias’ cornered and desperate azz

            Hi P; that is dishonest. it is true TPLF of there but they were there to help themselves more than to help EPLF. They knew that if Derg is to wipe out EPLF, then then next one to go is TPLF. Knowing this smartly both worked to save their azzs, so please don’t distort thing to fit your narratives. Do you know how many EPLF fighters dies from Korom to Hamusit to face off the best Mechanized Derg has to offer? again come down and tell the truth.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            I agree but my problem is with these people who have been denying the helping hand they got from the Weyanes. Alamin for instance is on the record saying that, the only time the Weyanes came to ሜዳ was to get training.

          • Nitricc

            Alamin for instance is on the record saying that, the only time the Weyanes came to ሜዳ was to get training.

            Hey P; well that will be stupid thing to say.

          • iSem

            Paulo:
            One more thing, PFDJ and gang of IA deny even their own, you remember when Hailed D danced with IA and when he became G15 they removed him from the video. They even denied the parents of the Menkae the cert for martyrdom . But the TPLF is better than PFDJ as they built monuments for the likes of Dr. Sihul and they paid tribute to their own Menkae like Aregawi and Ghidey as freedome fighters who performed bravely. because facts are facts and above all they did not build monuments for some obscure white dude from Albania
            we are dealing with people….

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Sem,

            Of course they have different political culture. TPLFites, even if they have political infighting, they are not violent to each other, unlike ours they are liquidated calling them menkae, yemenawian, G-15 and you name it. ንሳቶም እሞ መንገድኻ ጻዕዳ ይግበሮ ኢሎም ዘፋንው እዮም::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Paulos,

            Indeed to be thankful is a “character” when you get hands that help. Actually, they have tried to berry their “historical alliance” against ELF and against Derg. When the truth came to the surface slowly but surely, they can not handle it. They live on feeding lies after lies to the public by distorting our true history. It is their political culture.

          • iSem

            Hi Paulo:
            No, No we have to be thankful to that Russian poet, whose monument graces Asmara but consolation does mind that

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            You’re killin me. 😂😂😂. Good one!

          • iSem

            Paulo
            the logic, the thinking, the anguished desire to unplug from facts of these people is mind boggling

          • Hope

            iSem:
            But the absurd and fallacious logic of Paulo and his twin brother, telling us the BACKSTABBER TPLF,which did beyond its capacity to DESTROY Eritrea and Eritreanism,helped Eritrea and Eritreans,should be BEYOND “MIND BOGGLING” !!
            Right?

          • Hope

            iSem:
            Thought u wee cursing the EPLF for chasing out the ELF? Why can’t u dare to curse its collaborator, the TPLF?

            Hikhekheni kihakilka/kihakkeka???

          • Alex

            Hi Paulos,
            We give credit to him if he fought with EPLF in sahil but you know if he was a leader of the military in bure front then it was a total failure. First if it was not to reverse the independence of Eritrea the war in bure front was not necessary because there was no any dispute land between the two countries..

          • Millennium

            Hi Paulos:

            In your effort to give an unbridled praise to Seare, you characterized the sixth offensive saga as “Isaias’s cornered and desperate ass.”

            I wonder why they keep debating you on matters related to Eritrea; your heart is totally not with Eritreans and Isaias is just the excuse for you to get to attack everything Eritrean.

            I hope this is serving you as some kind of therapy because if you are thinking that your day-round diatribe here will amount to anything,
            you are mistaken. But of course, it may be doing you some good personally. if that is the case, go ahead. Do your thing.

            Millennium

          • Hope

            Hahah Doc:
            “That is called a character”!

            Nah—Eritreans rather call it Backstabbing and Betrayal.

          • Ted

            Hi Paulos,

            ” Eritreans be thankful to the Tigreans for saving you from the merciless wrath where you would have been speaking Amhraic by now” Paulos

            Do you really believe your claim that
            1.without tplf support eplf would have lost the war
            2.Eritrean cause also disappear with EPLF’s dissapreane…

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ted,

            If you don’t mind let me answer your question. The answer for both your questions is emphatically “No”. It will only delays our independence. If you are old enough to remember, in 1977 Eritrea would have been liberated for which the enemy was encircled by both fronts to four cities only (Asmara, Massawa, Asseb, and Barentu). The refusal of EPLF to have a joint strategy with ELF to defend the liberated areas lead us to a complete retreat deep to our degens; and unfortunately, our independence was deferred to 1991 us more struggle and sacrifices. Look Ted, that unforced deferral of our independence by the political leaders of the organizations and their silly political egos cost us more lives and more resources both in the civil war and against the enemy. That cursed history is still haunting us as we speak because we have never changed our internal political discourse.

            If there wasn’t EPLF/TPLF alliance, for sure we would have made a lot of change in our internal politics that avoids the birth of a despot, early on before we enter the cities, and the possible circumstances for restructuring the formation of alliances of our internal forces for the survival of our struggle and our aspirations.

            Regards

        • Amanuel

          Hope
          It is being civil I think in Eritrean culture to mention the good things about a deceased and forgiving the grievance.
          እቦታት ክምስሉ “ሙውት እይትኽሰስ ይብሉ”

          • Hope

            Aha!
            Here we go Aman:
            U think the backstabbers ,The biters of their Mom’s breast and the betrayers of the same Eritrean Independence, who did their best to reverse the Eri Independence deserve reverence and respect?
            So u r telling me that I have to respect the dead body of the same killers of Eritrea and Eritreans?
            My suspicion …..

          • Amanuel

            Hi Hope
            This is typical Hope’s flip flopping. Few month ago you were praising them, now you are cursing them next minute who knows?
            I am sorry to mention your dad again but they didn’t kill him last time I remember.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            You know Hope reminds me a women who owned a business near where my father use to work. I think she use to suffer from wiki. Some morning she starts with her mguraE and goes for good half our.

            Another morning she starts with her coffee, ETan, and loud music and she is in the best mood.

            Today I think he started with him MgruE:).

            Berhe

          • Hope

            Aman:
            With all due respect,Sir,what the heck has my father’s illness and Rx to do with the UNFORGIVABLE CRIMES of the TPLF?
            For God’s sake,they did not save him from death but just diagnosed him with simple Gouty Arthritis and BPH/Prostate Enlargement for a $1200 USD and gave him basic medications and he felt better.
            In fact,he is much healthier at age 82 than his 48 yrs old Health Professional….”Thanks to the US Lifestyle”.
            FYI:
            My Dad is a 5 * EPLF and ELF Vet,who caught the “few” crooked and evil Tigreyans while poisoning our drinking wells at Shitel River,which I vividly remember…(happened at age 7).
            Do not want to generalize and make a blanket accusation.
            It was TsegaLeul,who murdered few of my Asmarino Friends.
            It was the Tigreyan Terrorist Death Squad ESSEPA Derghi Agenst who assaisniated my Comrades at the heart of Keren and who chased me to near death..
            Am a relatively Practising Catholic/Christian but am also a Human Being and am expressing my weak human side of my nature.

            We Eritreans forgave them and moved on but they rather have chosen to abuse our forgiveness…and tried t kill us twice.
            Prof Asmerom Leghesse has a valid and legitimate point for saying what he said:
            “It is a suicide t trust these people knowing FULLY what they have done to us and we cannot let this go before they fully and GENUINELY apologize to us and respect ur national security and Territorial Integrity”.
            “Asha Hamshenay abey keibetsih kinibehal wetru..HELL NO”.

            .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Aman,

            He jumps on “off and on” between the two aisles of our political spectrum or divide. Very difficult to debate with him.

    • Alex

      Hi Nitricc,
      You know what happen in the Bure front in 2000. It was a total decimation of TPLF. My cousin was in that front and told me first hand how they heroically defeated TPLF aggression even though they were fighting from the open because they were told by superiors to leave their defence few days before the war started by TPLF.

      • Hope

        Aex;
        U confirmed by and thru FIRST Hand info this:
        “My cousin was in that front and told me first hand how they heroically defeated TPLF aggression even though they were fighting from the open because they were told by superiors to leave their defence few days before the war started by TPLF.”
        Who were those Supervisors and and why did they do that?
        IA ordered them to d so…Right?
        We know that but why re reluctant to CONDEMN IA publicly ?
        Isn’t that of the HIGHEST order and worst crimes beyond TREASON?

  • Paulos

    Good morning Awate Team,

    Thank you for the input. I hope the death of the two great patriots [Seare and Ambachew] from the two Kilils brings the nation together and usher a new era of peace and prosperity for the nation. Evil can not and will not prevail!