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Eritrea: A Conveyer Belt Supplying Mercenaries

  1. Eritrea has been a training ground for Sudanese opposition groups that finally made peace with Khartoum and were absorbed in the system in what was known as the Eastern Sudan Peace Agreement in 2006. Still, recent reports indicate that new Sudanese groups are being trained there.

In April 2020, Gedab News reported that “UAE airplanes transported hundreds of Sudanese mercenaries to Libya through an air-bridge over Asmara, the Eritrean capital city.”

Simultaneously, Eritrean military camps were busy training Ethiopian opposition groups that became instrumental in bringing Abiy Ahmed to power in 2018.

In November 2018, Gedab News reported that “Abdullahi Formaggio arrived in Gondar one day after he was invited and accepted Dr. Abiy’s rash invitation in goodwill without realizing his presence was needed to cover-up and legitimize Isaias’ visit.”

Soon, the Somali government lured hundreds of young Somalis to apply for security guard job in Qatar for the world cup event but first they will have to take a basic training in Eritrea.

By November 2020, the Somali recruits were sent to Tigray to fight alongside the Eritrean forces. Dozens of them have died in the war and Somali officials met the parents to inform them their children were killed, and hand them thousands of dollars as indemnity.

A Somali dissenter said, “the region has never paid such amount of money in dollars to the parents of the tens of thousands who were dying for many years.” The source of the money is still unknown.

As Somalis became aware of the fate of their children, mothers demonstrated and demanded that President Formaggio bring their children back and disclose they situations.

Last week, Ikram Tahlil Farah, a 24-year-old Somali whistle blower who worked for the cyber security unit in the Somali National Intelligence and Security Agency (NISA), and had disclosed information about the Somali recruits killed in Tigray, was found dead in Mogadishu. The government accused Al Shabab for the killing of Ikran.

However, Al Shabab denied the allegation while her family believe she was abducted by the Somali government before she was found dead.

Former NISA Director-General Abdullahi Ali Sanbalolshe told VOA Somali in July that “some people” told him Ikran had records about a program that secretly sent Somali military recruits to Eritrea to train. Allegations surfaced in June that those recruits have been fighting and dying in Ethiopia’s Tigray conflict.

On September 9, 2021, Al Jazeera reported that president Formaggio is in a clash with prime minister Mohamed Hussein Roble over the firing of the intelligence chief. On Monday Roble suspended Fahad Yasin Haji Dahir, director of NISA for failing to provide a report on the case of one of its agents who disappeared in June.

On Monday, Roble appointed another man, Bashir Mohamed Jama, as interim head of NISA, a decision that president Formaggio considers unconstitutional. On Tuesday, the president rejected the prime minister’s decision and issued a stated that Yasin Abdullahi Mohamed should remain as head of the agency.

Observers believe that “Somalia’s Formaggio didn’t know the trouble he was getting into when he hastily aligned with President Isaias Afwerki and prime minister Abiy Ahmed.”

After a short-lived comeback to normalcy, many Somalis believe their country could be mired again in a renewed conflict.

Reported by ME (Canada) Abraham T (USA) and Awatestaff

Further reading:

  1. UAE airplanes transported hundreds of Sudanese mercenaries to Libya
  2. Abdullahi Formaggio arrived in Gondar one day after he was invited

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  • sara

    selamat awtistas…
    This days the weather in our northwest side of our country neighborhood is being affected due to the global change of climate, or to say it in our parlance HeMam GoRebet ?/ and the rest you know it.., according to what is reported in the region the disease kind of similar
    type to what has engulfed our Sothern neighbor…. and it seems sooner or later it will affect
    those many of us who has taken temporary residence there…
    may peace reign our region.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    The following contains a very detailed words on the US E.O. for sanctions. Please search and read it as a whole. Excepts will not do justice in this case. It is published by Addis Standard:

    Interview: “Time to agree to a negotiated ceasefire and to turn away from military escalation”: U.S.

    It will answer all your questions:-)

    • Brhan

      Thank haileTG
      Have you noticed the “TG” in ” Mesfin Bezu of the TG Ethiopian Broadcasting Company” Do you own that company? 😀

      • haileTG

        Haha Brhan!

        I think TG stands for Tilahun Gessesse and the medial group is primarily entertainment and News 🙂

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG,

      Thanks for directing us to the interactive information in “Addis standard”.
      After perusing through the material, one comes to a sense that the strategic goal of the US E.O. is applying pressure on the government and the TPLF to stop the shooting and sitting on the table and negotiating without any precondition. It is clear from the interview (Bryan Hunt) that the Executive Order is a merger of a policy of a stick and carrot.

      In fact, the US appears to avoid what Mr. Hunt referred to as “aggressive action”, which makes the stick part of the Order, and focus on the carrot to help the Addis Ababa government to resolve the worsening economy in the case it accepts the ceasefire and shifts to talks.

      The three areas of concern that led to the issuance of the Order – the worsening humanitarian disaster, the unity of the state and security of the region – are interconnected matters that cannot be handled in isolation of one another, which the Federal government may prefer. It wants to buy time by somehow persuading the US and other interested quarters the crisis is an internal law and order matter, and it is the TPLF that has been causing humanitarian crises. In such way, it wants to keep on pursuing the military confrontation and defeat the Tigrayan forces. But the USA and its allies do not seem to buy in to such tactics because as the speakers in the interview have underscored, the war has generated concerns about its consequences be it the future of Ethiopia itself and the region by and large.

      I think this is what can be appreciated from this stuff (interview), and the policy of the US has been designed as a package which integrates the three areas of concern commencing from the urgent humanitarian situation that is worsening due to military campaigns. It remains to be seen how the efforts of the US will calibrate with the diplomatic mission of former president Obasanjo.

    • Kaddis

      Dear Haile TG,

      In simple terms Isias repeated what he believes Ethiopia have done to Eritrea ( right or wrong is another argument ) … devastated by war, sanctioned, isolated and in war footing with its neighbours. He scored A+. The only group, the clueless Amharic elites, that prefers to read Tigray instead of Ethiopia now hosting the war in their region. Even the war in Oromia and Benishangul that they instigated, well tricked by Isiais, is not as damaging as its in the Amhara region. They only knew running wars in other places so they have no idea how they are going to either fight or stop the war.

      The endless media lies that the Amharic class loves to consume might crash very soon. I have been out of the country for few weeks now; settling my family in the Southern part of Africa. I will be shuttling to Addis for work, in addition to working remotely, until relocating myself becomes a must. Even the random Africans you meet can’t believe what happens to us killing each other like flies. Many don’t know Abiy is just a shadow minister to Isias.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi HaileTG,

      I am not trying to summarize but I want to ask one question and what your understanding is with this US EO.

      With regards to humanitarian condition and negotiations

      However, if the Government of Ethiopia and the TPLF take meaningful steps to enter into talks for a negotiated ceasefire and allow for unhindered humanitarian access, a different path is possible, and the United States is ready to help mobilize assistance for Ethiopia to recover and revitalize its economy. Those meaningful steps include accepting African Union-led mediation efforts, designating negotiation teams, agreeing to negotiations without preconditions, and accepting an invitation to initial talks. Steps towards humanitarian access could include authorizing daily convoys of trucks carrying humanitarian supplies to travel overland to reach at-risk populations, reducing delays for humanitarian convoys, and restoring basic services to Tigray such as electricity, telecommunications, and banking.

      With regards to the ending the fighting:

      We hope President Biden’s action on Friday prompts the Eritrean Government to withdraw troops immediately and the Ethiopian Government, Tigray People’s Liberation Front, and Amharan forces to stop fighting and commit to a negotiated ceasefire. We hope we will see concrete steps towards these roles immediately, including that the Ethiopian Government end its restrictions on humanitarian supplies entering the Tigray region and the TPLF to stop its advances in the Amhara region, which are fueling displacement and deepening ethnic tensions.

      My question:
      1) Do you think, Eritrean government is requested to just withdraw its forces or is it going to be part of the negotiations?

      From what I can read it’s not, and how do you think this will complicated Abiy position going along negotiating with TPLF. If this is the case, do you think IA will just go ረኪስካ ባራ as we use to say after all what he did.

      I personally do not see progress is IA is not part of the solution and whatever solution might be. Abiy is too vulnerable with out IA support and I think he will just go ahead knowing full what will awaited him sooner or later.

      • Abi

        Berhe
        EO is the White House Executive Ornament. Just like the demented fool occupying the office, it is a decorative piece. You put it up, you put it down…
        ገንዘብካ ሓወይ

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Abi,

          In your opinion what do you think is a way out to bring peace?

          • Abi

            The only solution is the total elimination of the thugs.

          • Peace ToAll

            Selam Abi,
            I agree the total eliminations of the thugs i.e. elite Ankoberites. You better start changing gears of your conversation.

          • haileTG

            Hey Abichu,

            I have a better solution for you. PMAA is saying that he is fighting for survival of Ethiopia; the Amhara are saying they are fighting for survival of Amhara (ye hilwna tigl); TDF is fighting for survival of Tigray; PFDJ is fighting for survival of Eritrea. As you see everyone has the same goal: Survival. If the goal is the same, why not all work together collaboratively for Survival (like economic development). I know they each have given nicknames to each other: PMAA is called ፋሽሽት; Amhara is called ተስፋፊ; TDF is called ኣሸባሪ; and PFDJ is called ኣራዊት. If all four, ፋሽሽት, ተስፋፊ, ኣሸባሪ, ኣራዊት, organize an attack on SURVIVAL, they would have a big chance of success.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            —Only TDF and the support group call PMAA ፋሽስት
            —Only TDF and the support group call the Mighty Amhara ተስፋፊ
            —PFDJ should defend Eritrea from the አሸባሪ ተስፋፊ ፋሽስት አውሬ TDF.
            —TDF is a proven አሸባሪ that should be eliminated by any and all means available.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG,
            Our region proved a chair cannot have only four legs, it needs a fifth leg : wisdom. Your four legs are wobbling. Get them a fifth leg.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Berhe,

        If I understand correctly, the points you raised are a) IA level of inclusion on the peace process; b) PMAA vulnerability; c) Can there be peace without including IA.

        I think a & c are closely connected. As far as it is made public, IA’s part on this peace process is to withdraw from Tigray. How far back to pull, well not clear. Now, as far as the external/inl. actors are concerned, Eritrea’s participation is not legitimate. They don’t recognize that Eritrea has any reason whatsoever to be inside Ethiopia at all. All the other parties have political or territorial disputes that require facilitation to stop the fighting. Therefore, it is not possible to have a part for Eritrea in the negotiations. At the extreme of cases, you may argue that Eritrea could be included to address the boundary issue, but that is not official problem as it has been addressed by the PMAA – IA agreements signed in Saudi. Or you may stretch it and say some sort of cessions of hostilities terms of agreements with TDF. But that is a long shot and no one will take it up. So, Eritrea has no choice but just withdraw and watch from a distance.

        Is it ረኪስካ ባራ? IMO, yes to a great extent. IA’s participation in this conflict is probably his worst and fatal tactical error of his long career. There are three possible outcomes: TDF win; PMAA win; negotiated settlement. Each party to the conflict, except IA, two of the three outcomes can be considered gainful, i.e. their side win or negotiated solution. For IA, only one of the three outcomes is gainful, i.e. PMAA win. So, if PMAA goes for second best, i.e. negotiated deal, his dependence on IA is not very critical. IA is only useful if PMAA intends to continue the war. In which case, either IA’s direct involvement or the threat of doing so can be useful for PMAA. TDF can’t fight two national armies simultaneously, hence Eritrea is a tactical distraction of TDF for PMAA. However, if the latter sign peace agreement, that is no longer a pressing need.

        IA will have to withdraw and then subjected to all sorts of investigations, ICC referral, sanctions and other problems. He can’t use his old trick of refusing to let investigators in because the site of investigations is outside of his control. Again, on the humanitarian violations, there is a scope for manipulation and making him the fall guy or scapegoat. Not that he has not committed much crimes but focusing the crimes too much on PMAA will not help the peace process and denying the atrocities will not give confidence to the TDF side to engage. Hence, it is possible that Eritrea will be burdened with much of the consequences. There is incentive for PMAA to flip on this and abandon IA. In conclusion, it is not politically viable to find terms of engagement in the peace process for IA. If the peace process gathers momentum, IA is toasted. If TDF wins, he is still toasted. He only has to bet PMAA wins. So, we can see his participation as a desperate measure to save his power.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG,

          Thank you, your assessment make sense. I am sure he will do anything in his power to disrupt.

          If negotiated peace, I can’t see TDF will settle anything less than gain western Tigray and establish its access with Sudan.

          If that happens, I think Abiy support, specially with Amhara kilil will be impacted and eventually his power. So I think he will also be impacted one way or another, and I don’t know if he goes far enough to distance from IA.

          I can see ceasefire that they all can agree. I also can see humanitarian aid access to relax and get to the people who need help.

          Other than that, I don’t think they both (IA and Abiy) are in a hurry for negotiated peace.

          For example, if you remember conflict in Syria where the US was actively perusing Assad must go, chemical weapon etc, but all that come to pass when others such as Russia involved and supported him. So I don’t know if US has much power to exert pressure to force them to settle.

          As what happened in Yemen, Syria and Libya, the conflict can go for a lot longer, causing so much damage and suffering.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam all,
    Does any body among us has information about our brother Kokhob Selam. He has not posted anything for a while, which isn’t usual. I hope he is fine. If there is one who has contact with him, or knows anything about his condition, please drop us a note.

    • sara

      selam..amna ismail,
      i was about to ask the same since few days, but failed to do so….hoping some how he will show up…lets hope and pray he is OK.

      • Abi

        Sariti shikorina
        Kokobe was offended by one of the Negarit editions “Please Come Invade Us”, that he had a minor skirmish with the Author. He said that the TDF is unstoppable and it is the only solution to both Ethiopia and Eritrea.
        He said that Ato Saleh dropped very low in his Negarit Edition. Ato Saleh responded that he dropped so low so that Kokobe won’t be lonely.
        Long story short, Kokobe said he will come back after a year.

        My guess is he is already enlisted in the TDF and marching to liberate Bahir Dar.

  • haileTG

    Selamat awatista,

    A hopeful development…

    Martin Plaut
    @martinplaut
    A report that Nigerian Former President #Obasanjo – #AU envoy for political and security issues – Met PM Abiy today and got the go-ahead to meet the Tigrayans in Sudan either tomorrow or next depending when the UN can arrange his flight. Needs confirmation

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG,
      Thanks for the info. Hoping it will be confirmed, this is good news. Former president Obasanjo is, in my view, a right choice because he knows the ins and outs of African issues and problems, besides being an honorable gentleman. The government in Addis Ababa should do good to itself and the country by resorting to peaceful ways to end the civil war, if at all it is aware of the direction the overall condition of Ethiopia is heading to. No civil war was, will ever be, won by won by military means.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Ismail,

        Yes, let’s hope it works out and at least get a ceasefire inked. It is a critical time of the conflict where no party is seeing a way out. The US has done well to give Mr. Obasanjo the necessary tools of carrots and sticks via the E.O. so he can have some real influence. I think saay’s prayer for this #stupidwar to end is working:-)

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          Saay started calling the war “ stupid “ after he came up with the GiE initiative. Before that his full time job was belittling PMAA and Ethiopia through a dedicated website. Here, he is actively playing “ political correctness “ since he is a leader of a formidable force.
          Praying and fasting is your responsibilities.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba guad Abi,

            Belittling PMAA is within his freedom of thought and expression. No one is obligated to gratify a boy from Beshasha who dreamed to be the 7th King of Ethiopia. That is not in Conflict with his desire to see a peaceful region, even with a little monarch in Ethiopia. I thought that only PFDJ and NK were the last bastion of don’t belittle the great leader systems left.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Nothing wrong if someone is from Beshasha or Asmarino to have a grand dream.
            Allow me to remind your Greatness that the boy from the small village called Beshasha is the one who unceremoniously sent the Adwa dynasty back to where it came from.
            If you believe that a person who came from Beshasha can’t be a PM, it only shows how a racist behavior is deeply ingrained into your body.
            Of course, you would not have mentioned where Abiy came had he been from Adwa or Asmara.

          • haileTG

            Abichy, weyyy gudam….what part of a boy from Beshasha, a boy from Asmara, a boy from SeqoTa… actually indicate the place shouldn’t raise a future King?? Are you reading upside-down again? Look I am trying to pass you this course and you keep calling names. OK off to principal office now:-)

    • Brhan

      Merhaba haileTG Arkey,
      I will follow up on the thread. I believe all sides have agreed to make it a low profile at the moment. I am sure there is a lot about compromise, and they are carefully observing their public opinion.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    An article of law firms journal in the US wrote analysis of the Biden sanctions E.O. as it relates to legal issues for US firms. Below is an excerpt.

    “The Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (“DDTC”) will publish an amendment to the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (“ITAR”) that adds Ethiopia to the list of countries for which the agency imposes a presumption of denial for export licenses of defense articles and services.  This policy will effectively cut off the flow of U.S.-origin defense items and services to Ethiopia.

    Companies that operate or do business in Ethiopia should carefully review the new E.O. and potential exposure to any forthcoming sanctions, as well as the forthcoming Federal Register notice updating the ITAR.”

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      Looks like you intensified your fasting and prayers.
      Ethiopia is standing tall and marching forward despite your prayers to see her failures.

      • haileTG

        Selam Abichu,

        Which part did I play in all of the above? ይኼ ሁላ በጥባጭ ትተህ ከመነኩሴ የሚያጣላ ምን ኣይነት ጋኔን ተይዘህ ይሆን ወዳጄ:-)

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          ወዳጄ ብዬ የያዝኩት ጋኔን ሆኖ ተገኘ:-) የኔ ነገር ይሄው ነው::

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    UN chief Antonio Guterres makes a very pointed observation about the Tigray war in his interview with Al Jazeera:

    He says that he is disappointed with Ethiopia in general as it has failed to address problems with its own diversity. He then makes the following two assessments –

    1 – The TPLF has a strong military capability; it can’t be defeated inside Tigray because its is deeply integrated with the Tigrayan society.

    2 – There is no chance that TPLF can come back to rule the whole of Ethiopia as it once did (meaning as a singular dominant force).

    So, what would victory mean for each side and Ethiopia in general? Can we envision PP and TPLF forming a government that includes everyone else as well? It seems #1 points to strong federalism and #2 to separatism.

    • Brhan

      Hello haileTG
      መሊእካ ባ ጽደቕ እታ ሊንክ ሃህ ኢልና ንጽበያ ለና

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Brhan,

        It is done! ስራሕ ፈረቓ’ዶ ገይረዮ። ፍርቂ ዘንብቡ በዚሖምና እንታይ ክንገብር 🙂

        • Brhan

          Hi haileTG,
          I came across to this:
          https://borkena.com/2021/09/17/tigray-how-did-ethiopia-so-badly-miscalculate-its-war-with-tigray/
          Do you have any idea who borkena is/are?

          • haileTG

            Selamat Brhan,

            Borkena is a pro PMAA Ethiopian media outlet. Addis Standard seems middle ground and the other two critical ones, Ethio Forum and Awlo media are shut down and some of its members are behind bars. Even Addis Standard was harassed recently by the PMAA regime.

            The article, in an obvious tendency, is a hypothesis at best tendered to find an easy way out from the quagmire Ethiopia finds itself in. It is based on the assumption that the TPLF is simply a group of leaders pushing Tigrayans to war. That is exactly what was contradicted to by Guterres. It is a genuine war fought by Tigray people out of genuine fear of their safety. We know what happened to the people, massacre, destruction and violence against their person’s human dignity. The participation of PFDJ with clear genocidal tendency against THE PEOPLE OF TIGRAY, yes man, woman, child the whole population if it gets its way, is also a major breach of trust among Ethiopians.

            So, his view that the use of backdoor diplomatic maneuvers to save PMAA face is IMO, glosses over the true concerns that is motivating this war.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat-TG,

      I have listened to the interview of the UNGS with Al Jazeera yesterday. He has a good reading on the situation. What the supporters of the regime have failed to understand but the UNGS understood is his number one point. The war is between Ethiopia/alliance and the Tigrian people. If there are still who believe the war is between Ethiopian Federal gov and TPLF, they are deadly wrong.

      BTW, did you see the clip circulating in the social media, which shows the Ethiopian army burning the dead body of civilians after they killed them. It is dreadful, gruesome, hard to watch. The action and the language they were saying sounds a classic genocidal mission of the regime and their alliances. For those who didn’t see it, here is the link to watch at 56:20

      https://youtu.be/mrj_rUAqIkc

      Regard

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Speaking of elite US universities, how can one forget the case of Tony Magana, Harvard educated neurosurgeon who after loosing his medical license as a result of sex crimes, became one of the head honchos at Mekele U.
    https://www.heraldtribune.com/article/LK/20040703/News/605224615/SH
    https://www.ethiopianeurosurgery.com/

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dongolo,

      ሰብኣን ሰበይትን ዝተባእሱሉ ድራር ይፍጠረልና ድዩ ዝተባህለ። Of all countries with more resources and relations, how did he land in Mekelle? I just read his professional background from your link. He is highly equipped person. My suspicion is the rich countries in the region (Gulf states for example) could have recruited him with lucrative rewards but could have been constrained by relations with USA in relation of the offense he had committed. Some one in Mekelle should have been sufficiently bold to offer him the place.

    • Hashela

      Dongolo

      Thank you for solving the mystery for me. I wondered how can TPLF attract such a high caliber to Tigray. It is reminiscent to IA’s acceptance of the Australian sheep that were not acceptable for Saudi Arabia!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dongolo,

      What is your point? I don’t understand you. Are you saying they shouldn’t hire him as a lecturer at the University of Mekelle b/c he was accused of sex crimes. The university shopped a well known neurologist to teach neuroscience at the university. Good for them.

      • Hashela

        Selam Amanuel

        It is a unique a TPLF way to show respect to the female employees of the medical department and patients.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hashela,

          The adage is not applicable to everyone, for there are many who learn from their mistakes . You could use it if he did it again. But I want to know from the one who brought the link. Unless you are of the same mind of conformity.

          Regard

          • Hashela

            አማኒኤል

            ከመይ ቀኒኻ? ድሃይ ምጥፋእካ ኣሻቂሉና ቀንዩ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            አነስ አለኹ። አብ ዓወተ ዘይትቅየር ዘይትልወጥ ጎጆ ስለ ዘስራሕኩ፣ ዝኽዶ ቦታ የብለይን።

          • Hashela

            ኣማኒኤል

            ግርም። “ለማልሞ በጺሖም፣ ዎላይታ ኣትዮም፣ ንጎንደር ተጠውዮም፣ አብ ቁሩብ አዋርሕ ኣዲስ ኣበባ ክኣትዉ እዮም” ክትብል ምስ ሰማዕኩ፣ እዚ ሓውና ድሓን ደሎ ኢለ ተሰኪፈ ነይረ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሓሽላ,

            አኺሉካ ሓሶት ከተቃልሕ ክትነብር። እዋይ ዑንዱየ መዓስ ኢኻ ክትዓኩኽ፣ አነስ ይገርመኒ አሎ።

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            If you unlock your Disqus account, I can extract your post where you assured us that in few months TPLF will be in Addis Ababa and depose PM AAA . All I listed above is archived in your Disqus entries.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,
            You don’t need that. If I said it, it couldn’t be out of the current articles in the front pages.

            Second, I can’t say it, because from the get go, it doesn’t look their goal to go up to Addis from their war strategy. Or It doesn’t look their strategy beyond the Amara Kilil. They just took the war in to their enemy’s land. That was a good strategy. But one thing is for fact: if they succeed to enter both Dessie and Gonder, the state of Amara will be collapsed and consequently the Abi regime. If you saw the gruesome killing that I linked, I don’t think the Tigray people will stay with the union, if there will be a union at all. Hashela the empire will not survive. The era of empires are gone. Whether we like it or not it will be a transformational social development that leads to the birth of multiple “nation states”. In such kind of social drives, hates or loves will not stop it. It is a must to welcome new realities however they evolve or devolve.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Dongolo and Hashela,

      I had a chance to read the links you share. I also searched the professor and the interview he had with UMD Media “Conversation with Prof Tony Magana”, where he talks about the ordeal he witnessed during the invasion and occupation of Mekelle.

      Blaming TPLF, ENDF, EDF and all the actors is one thing but the human suffering that went on is completely another.

      What do you make of the testimony and he witnessed and lived through during the time he was there, including the rack sacking of medical equipment that he says was taken to Eritrea.

      If’s very hard to refute if you ask me….I understand and putting aside the accusation, the credibility as well as his past..

      • haileTG

        Selamat Berhe,

        While waiting for the response from Dongolo, I want to raise another angle here which is slightly unrelated. This whole issue of “allegations of sexual misconduct” appears to me, has become a huge milking cow in the western society to destroy anybody you wanted provided you have groups to back your claims up. Those groups are enemies in high places. This does not mean that there are no credible cases, but many others use it as a sure kill attack if they want to bring someone down, often exaggerated and sometimes made up.

        I want to bring the case of Paris Dennard who worked at CNN as a political analyst. He was an African American conservative and Trump supporter. He is/was also very active on African Americans for Trump grassroots and campaign advisor for Trump.

        On a fateful day, Paris was brought in on an interview by CNN given to an ex-CIA white house personnel who was denied permit to access the White House that all such personnel had, but Trump removed the privilege during his term. So, the CIA guy was arguing that the measure that Trump took was wrong and politically motivated. But, the pro-Trump African American analyst, Paris Dennard, weighed in the debate saying that such personnel were abusing the privilege and using it for lobbying for financial gains. Upon hearing that, the ex-CIA guy got extremely livid, angry, telling Paris to “get out of here” and “get lost” and so forth on the debate, on camera. Any how, Paris was cooler and addressed his points as such.

        The following week, Paris Dennard was accused of “improper sexual conduct” during his University student days. Paris, for his defense, said that the issue was resolved at the time in his favor, and complained that the University should not have released confidential information behind his back like that. And, few days later, CNN withdrew Paris’ contract with the company on grounds of those “allegations”. Most conservatives are convinced the reason was the ex-CIA guy he clashed with. On the brighter side, Trump gave Paris another job in his campaign and other right wing media also offered some opportunities.

        Is it fair to call Paris Dennard, a sexual felon? One concern I have for my kids growing up here in the west is that however hard they may work to achieve, their whole career can be destroyed just like that 🙁

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG,

          I think the cancel culture is taking America by the storm right now from both the right and the left.

          However, sexual and power abuse over women is real and it has long history within the society.

          In this particular case, I think I tend to side with the accused as suppose to the alleged abuser. The reason I say that, he has given all due process and all the protection that he can get (lawyers, institution etc) that’s different than social media and public pressure.

          If what he was accused is true, which probably is, imagine what this guy can get away with in places such as Ethiopia?

          I think, UofM as an institution of higher learning, it’s not appropriate to give room to such individuals even if it means, that there is a lot of benefit.

          It’s slippery slope and institution who try to achieve highest standard should at least aim to attract the best academically and morally I think.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            Yes, it is a difficult situation. We all want the victims protected, but the world is at times too crooked to be straightened. And, I don’t see a way out, I guess it is what its and something to watch out from for our young people who aspire to climb the ladder.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Why do people don’t want to stand out? To camouflage against the herd. Jordan Paterson has a short but deep look at the logic of invisibility. It is only about 5min, but it’ll make you feel good and understood.

    https://youtu.be/QWkWeZOQZI8

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG,
      Thank you. It is a good Sunday afternoon gift. Key issue explained in a simply playful way.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat-TG,

      The camouflaged animals in our forum must be laughing when they saw Jordan Paterson demonstrating the logic of invisibilities. Thank you buddy.

      Regard

      • Metshaf Jigninet

        Selam Aman H,

        Men iyo እንስሳታት? Please, be straight forward. Personally, I think the video was great. My conclusion, based on the subject in the video, is that the TPLF supporting Eritrean shot himself on the foot.

        Who are the lions and who are the zebras? Majority vs minority opinion is not taken into consideration it seems.

        Being an Eritrean is not permissable, unless you hate your country and people. If you want to protect Eritrean lives and Eritrea by calling a spade a spade you get called a PFDJ. TDF stands accused of the same crimes as EDF by human rights watch. Their crimes is of course not interesting for those with vested interests, or those who value Tigrayan lives more than Eritrean lives.

        ቲ ዲ ኤፍ ንስደተኛታት ኤርትርያ ምዕማጽ ዘሰምብድ ኣይኰነን?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam MJ,

          Aristotle told us that we are “political animals”. Since we are trying exercising politics , hence my comment. Edited to add “political” to it. As to the link is concerned you could have your own understanding. You have it mine.

          Regard

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam Aman H,

            That was a smooth move. 🙂

            Thank you, for explaining your position. However, I knew your position quite some time ago, to be frank.

            I will respectfully withdraw from this conversation, because we won’t meet common ground for the way to achieve a successful transition of power.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awatistas

    Will threat of sanctions end the conflict in Ethiopia’s Tigray?
    The US pressures all sides to stop fighting and negotiate peace in northern Ethiopia.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2021/9/18/will-sanctions-threat-end-the-conflict-in-ethiopias-tigray

    • haileTG

      Thanks Brhan,

      William had some practical points to share, may be to do with the fact that he is with the regional ICG. We now have the response from the three parties:

      PMAA: shared a document where he vows to not succumb to US pressure, there by rejecting it.

      TPLF: has welcomed it through press release but seems to have interpreted the text “unconditional ceasefire” to mean mutual withdrawals from Amhara/Western Tigray.

      PFDJ: had rejected it in an ERiTV editorial today where it accused the US of helping TPLF and citing the executive order as “violations of peoples rights”.

      I think the US should move ahead with dolling out sanctions, it seems it may not work much but the next rounds of major battles may precipitate a shift on positions. It seems each side is re-grouping and positioning for another rounds of large scale offensives. The fact that despite several large scale counter-offensives, the ENDF/Amhara forces failed to re-take any major city lost to TPLF also shows the arduous nature of the battles ahead.

      • Brhan

        Merhaba haileTG,
        I believe Al Jazeera is making an effort to include the Ethiopian side of the story in every episode by presenting different Ethiopian guests. The problem is with the Ethiopian guests. Samuel and now Zelalem fail to articulate well. I believe Bellini Seyoum can do better, but she won’t sit with William(the White Weyane, as some Ethiopians call him now. Soon we will hear :Biden Weyane. Lol).
        Secondly, do you think of Aljazeera, compared to CNN and the BBC, which include world/Africa sections in their platforms, is leading in providing news and info concerning the war in Tigray, both in quantity and quality. Is it outsmarting the other channels by giving more space to the third world countries’ issues and, as a result, became famous in those countries?

        • haileTG

          Hey Brhan,

          I agree on the preposition that Al Jazeera is better at presenting world current events at this time. IMO, Al Jazeera being owned by the Qatari State, it is rightly positioned to assess importance and significance of current events to peoples of the southern hemisphere. The Western media conglomerates are highly western interests based, i.e. in the way they assess and project meanings to the core issues. Naturally, Al Jazeera would have better connection or local knowledge when judging what is important to the people in those regions (because it is a locally founded conglomerate). So, yes it is doing a good job, it would naturally lead in this field because its competitors don’t have the same advantage of playing in home terrain. Al Jazeera is right in the thick of all the problems of Mideast, Africa and Asia authentically. BBC, CNN… are tourists:-)

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት
    ህግደፍ ዘይኮነ: ህዝቢ ኤረትራ ንጉጅለ 15 ዝጠለሞም መዓልቲ ክመዚ ሎሚ ‘ያ።
    ጉጅለ 15 ንህዝቢ ኤረትራ ከመይ ይጽበዩ? ቅድሚኦም ዝነበሩ ንብጾቶም ዝተጸበዩ ከምዝጠለምዎም ከመይ ኣይዝክሩን?
    ዝገርም ግን ናይ ዓሊ ሓጅን ብርሃነ ኣብርሃን ‘ዩ። ስለምንታይ ካብ ብጾቶም ዘይምሃሩ?
    Sorry, ህዝቢ ኤረትራ ናብ ካሕዳም ‘ዩ ተቐይሩ። ካልእ መግለጺ የብለይን።

    • haileTG

      Selam MM,

      ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ንጉጂለ-15 ዘይኮና ጠሊምና ንነብስና ኢና ጠሊምናያ። ግን ዝተረዳኣና ኣይመስለንን። እንድሕሪ ጉጂለ-15 ተደጊፎምን ተዓዊቶምን ነይሮም ዝኾኑ ናብዚ ዘለናዮ ዓዘቕቲ ኣይምተሸመምናን። ብኣንጻሩ’ኳ ዳኣ ሎሚ ሃገርና መበል ራብዓይ ሃገራዊ ምርጫ መካየደት። ቁጠባ ኤርትራ ኣዝዩ ዓብዩ ኣብ ዞባና ግዙፍ ጠመተ ምረኸበ። ማሕበራዊ ግስጋሰ ሕብረተሰብና ብትምህርቲ፡ ቋንቋ፡ ባህሊን – በብባህርያቱ ናብ ክብ ዝበለ ደረጃ ምበጽሔ። ኤርትራውያን ብወፍርን ማህደረ ትምህርትን ዑደትን እምበር ብልመናን ኣጸግዑናን ካብ ሃገሮም ኣይምገሹን። ጉዳይ ኣብ ሱዳን ንመዋእል ከርተት ዝበሉ ስደተኛታትና መኽተመ እምበሪ ደቂ ደቆም ሎሚ ኣብ በረኻታት ትግራይ መሸማዕ ረዲኤት ተተርኢሶም እቲ ናቶም ሂወት ኣይምደገምዎን።

      ንሕና ከም ህዝቢ ነብስና ጠሊምና እምበር ዝጠለምናዮ ተጋዳላይ ጉጂለ-15 የለን። ንሶም ድኣ ክንደይ ግዜ ብጣዕሳ ተኣሚኖም ክወጹ ተሓቲቶም ተባሂሉ ዘይተወርየ። ግን ነታ ኣብ ገደላት ተዋዲቆም ናጽነት ዝዓደጉላ ሃገሮም፡ ክሽልምዋን ከኽብርዋን ብጀግንነት ዝተሰዉኡ ሰብ ዓቢ ታሪኽ እዮም። ከይዱ ከይዱ ኩሉና ብውልቂ ክንሓቶ ዝግባኣና ሕቶ እዞም ሰባት እንተ ዝድገፉ ኣነን ደቀይን ደቂ ደቀይን ኣብ ከመይ ኩነታት ምተረኸብና ዝብል እዩ። ጥፍኣትን ህልቂትን እዞም ሰባት ነቶም ብኢሰያስ ዝምርሑ ሓሳዳትን ደናቁርን ደቂ ሃገር ኣባላት ህግደፍ ዲል ሂቡ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብታሪኹ፡ ኩነታቱን፡ መጻኢኡን ክጻወትን ናብ ገደል ክሃትፍን ዝገበረ ኩነትዩ ጥራይ ኢልካ ዝግለጽዩ።

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ሰላማት ሃይለ
        ክህድም ንተደለኹ ትስሕበኒ ኣይግድን…
        ግደፍ ደኣ… ንሕና ኢና ጠሊምና ዝስሕንዋ ዘለዉ ‘ኳ እሱራት ‘ዮም።
        ንሕና ኣብ ሳሎን ገዳይም ከኣ ኣብ Containers… ወይ ድማ ትሕቲ መሬት።
        I dis agree with you, hail TG…yes, we have betrayed G-15. However, they had betrayed their comrades, decades before that…and they should know better their own devil, DIA. They had helped creating him. That’s the bitter truth.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat,
    My dream is to be in the top 1% of household in America [getting there, reached in the top of 25% so far 🙂 ].
    Once I reach there [hgdf is long gone by that time], I have 2 dreams to satisfy:
    1. I will open private school to educate top 1% of Eritrean students. All I need to do is to hire brilliant educated people [with great ethics]
    2. I will make Eritrea Green
    Beyond that, money means nothing to me and I assume to a lot of the good people of Awate.
    For those nay sayers, this is doable and it will be done.
    Dream on!

    • Abi

      MM
      May your dreams come true.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Thank you, Abi!

        • Abi

          MM
          Why do you choose to educate only top 1% of the student population?
          I believe private schools are legally established scams. I support a strong public schools.
          Again, I hope you become successful.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Mine will be free of charge. So, scam will be out of the door.
            BTW, forgot to mention, this will be only for engineering. Hopefully others will create for other disciplines.

          • Abi

            MM
            I hope more and more people follow and support your ambitions.
            I also hope you open more schools throughout Eritrea and at least one in Utopia:-)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Have you noticed no one from the opposition or hgdf supporters want to comment on this?
            I am telling you Eritrean people are F***ed up. They only want to hear about war and destruction. This making me thing why I am here to begin with.
            This is it..I am done and I gone for good! Waste of time.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi MM,

            ጽቡቅ ግበር ንመን ንምንም :: ጽቡቅ እንዳ ሓሰብካ አይትጋገ:: ዕድመን ጥዕናን ይሀብካ : ሓሳብ ልብኻ የስምረልካ::

          • Abi

            MM
            How do you expect any kind of interest and support from the opposition while you are discussing your dreams for Eritrea? You must be out of your mind!! Mention anything about Mekele or Adwa, they will come with several great ideas to make sure your dreams materialized.
            You will find volunteers scrambling for possible positions in your private school. You will have no problem recruiting Great minds who are willing to work for free in your elite school at Mekele.
            Your school will be the feeder school for MIT. Mekele Institute of Technology.

          • Mez

            Dear MM,
            Keep alive your dream. Any thing starts with number one; then things will roll out by theirselves.

            Thanks

    • iSem

      Hi MM:
      That is excel goal. Go for it MM, Go MM
      About your elite school, am afraid to break the bad news for you: it will not happen even if PFDJ is gone tomorrow. And here is the reason: an off shoot of PFDJ are the inspired Mafia human traffickers with their Rashaida collaborators and they have made hundreds of millions and they will lord over Eritrea with their money and power, influencing the government, sticking together for their survival and wrecking have, and you will pay big bugs for protection. The educated ppl like Hashella will even support them because it is “la loro causa” .You will not able to enjoy the fruits of your labour for a long time even after PFDJ is gone. Those people who betrayed their own sons, those ppl who did not even want to stay home for one week on Friday, during Arbi-harnet, you will be rewarding that behaviour.
      Do it in the the country that gave you chance, for all humanity and giving priority for those Eritreans whose parents spent their life for independence ad now they cannot even visit their home and some of the veterans who are buried in Sudan

      But do not listen to those who pooh-pooh private schools, they send their kids to private universities like Harvard. We should have diverse school systems with private for profit, public and private not for profit. It is dumb to have one public school where you do not have choice

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Brother iSem,
        The professors in my mind is like Prof. Emma is a reference to the hirings.
        Meeting to that Ethical threshold won’t be easy. At least that what I believe.
        My hope is universities like Harvard will notice few years after its creation. BTW, this year, UCB is #1, compare to all these elites. Luckily, I live few miles from it and I am proud of this fine university!

      • Abi

        iSem
        በለው!!!
        አንተንና ሎጂክን የሚያስታርቅ ዘመድ ይጥፋ?
        You can send 100 students to vocational schools for the cost of sending one student to Harvard. This way you produce more productive citizens who can support themselves and their community. የራሳቸውን ዳቦ የሚጋግሩ ዜጎችን መፍጠር ነው የአንድ አገር ወይም ትምህርት ቤት አላማ ( objectives).
        ሃርቫርድ ለጉራ
        ተግባረዕድ ለስራ
        አይሴም ለመከራ!!

        ተግባረዕድ ( vocational school)

        • iSem

          Abi:
          Some times you sound you are are not as smart as you have us believe.You want to send all the kids to vocational school to be your mechanics and electricians and carpenters? That s dumb to be blunt and when I say dumb I mean PFDJ dumb. VS are good but am saying you should have all those. Your logic and understanding is fit way in the dark ages.
          I agree to have public schools, in universities, colleges and VS.
          And if one is so genius he can go to harvard for free or for way less tuition and private does not mean good.eg stanford and UCB
          are better than some of the Ivy league in USA.
          I know what I am talking about and MM knows what is he is talking about. So stop. Like I stop when you are doing your one liners, you know what you are doing, so I stop 🙂

          • Abi

            iSem
            I never pretend to sound smart.
            I know enough about Ivy League schools. I know some people who attended Ivy League schools. I know enough about scholarships and grants and things like that. I also know enough about the UC schools. I remember discussing the UC schools with Saay when my son was searching for medical schools. As you said, I’m not smart. However, I’m smart enough to raise smart kids. May be you need to share your experience for those parents who want to send their children to the elite schools.
            I also know just a little about አራስን መቻል ::
            Mechanics , plumbers, nurses, and the rest are the backbone of any given society. Do you know a doctor from Stanford can do practically nothing if he is not surrounded by those people like the nurses, lab technicians, and all the support group responsible for the smooth operation of the hospital ?These people went to vocational schools.
            Sorry for being too logical to your understanding:-)

  • iSem

    Hi All:
    Happy Lamentation Day
    September used to be a unique Month in Eritrea: it is the month when the dreary and dark season gives away to the sunshine and harvest of the hard toil of the rainy season— Brhan-Meskel. It is also the New Year. Then Sep 1, 19961 arrived with Hamid I Awate and Bahti Meskerem got a whole new meaning and connotation of liberty, spark, freedom, pride, honour. And Meskerem became a unifying month. Along faiths and histories and common trajectories.
    But then PFDJ arrived and made it dreary, bleak and pessimistic month. We celebrate Bahti and Bahti Meskerem and Kudus Yohannes and we conclude it with commemoration of Sep 18, a regression to the dark ages. September had become the month of lamentations and month of the Siege, reminiscent of the Jewish Siege in Masada when the pagan Romans enslaved them and they waged a bloody war and committed suicide in protest of the injustice.
    May, Sep 18, PFDJ and any date associated with PFJD will forever live in infamy!

    • haileTG

      Selamat iSem,

      Not sure if “Lamentation Day” could be used to name September 18th. Naming needs to be specific to the essence of the event being observed. I don’t think we have named it yet. Even “September 18th” doesn’t serve the purpose, as it doesn’t readily impress the what it is about aspect upon an uninformed party. Some people call it a “Coup d’etat” event, but strictly speaking, it was a purge of the progressive PFDJ elements by its reactionary, conspiratorial and shadowy elements. It is a day, unbeknown to Eritreans, when Eritrea was forfeited the very cause its people suffered for generations. So, what kind of day shall we call it? I mean other than ፍጋራ ዝኾነት መዓልቲ:-)

    • saay7

      Selamat iSem:

      Once a year, I read awate.com’s Chronology of the Reform Movement”, still one of the greatest contributions of this website. Reading it, I am reminded how we (including the G15, G13, university students, elderly mediators, journalists) did not have the true measure of Isaias’s sadism. One of the papers, I think Tsigenay, interviewed Mahmud Sherifo to ask him why does he think the president prevented him from publicizing the recommendations of the Law on Formation of Political Parties and Political Organizations on Eri-TV and he said (paraphrased) “it’s because Isaias doesn’t want another political party competing with PFDJ in the Dec 2001 elections.” It was unthinkable for him that Isaias would ignore the National Assembly’s decision to have elections in Dec 2001. Many December’s have come on since then, 19 of them, now there is no parliament, no constitution, no election, no talk of any of it, nor a private press to ask why. Instead, the NNNN are celebrating the 97% election of Abiy and they will probably make a big event of his inauguration because they had taken a day off when the good Lord was distributing shame.

      A very dark day indeed and everything the G15 warned about, and worse, have happened to Eritrea since those dark days: we have the most corrupt government in the world because nothing is more corrupt than power abuse and ignoring the rule of law.

      saay

      • iSem

        Hi Sal:
        Are you sitting down, is btehalla near you to hold you from falling from your chair because I agree with every word you wrote here above:-)
        Seriously though,you captured it beautifully.
        What depresses me so much, what I cannot understand is why are the N4 are in cahoots with the Abiy crowd beyond their military alliance

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    Focus Eritrea in collaboration with Pen Eritrea and Amnesty International have organized an exhibition to commemorate the 20th anniversary of Eritrean prisoners – who are in prison for crimes haven’t committed by the court of justice. Let us remember them to show that we haven’t forgot them. Here is a link to watch and listen to the speech of the chairman of Focus Eritrea,

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs1sc0ifkTA

    Regards

    • haileTG

      Hi Aman,

      Thanks for sharing! Great poem at the end.

  • Hashela

    Good day Forumers

    In his open letter of 18/11/2021, Prime Minister Abiy said that the “cross border conflict with Eritrea in the late 1990s [was] instigated by the TPLF”.
    This is very important recognition and admission by the highest official of the Ethiopian Government, contradicting and devaluating previous statements by the former Ethiopian Government and EECC.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Commiserations on this sad calendar day of September 18th. Even if Eritrea had gone through difficult, controversial, jubilant and painful episodes in its making, what happened on this day in September 2001 was perhaps the worst. I say the worst because Eritrea had by then finally completed ratifying its constitution and election rules were prepared. It was four months shy of its first multi-party elections, it would have been the next greatest achievement after May 24th.

    Today, Eritrea is a hell hole. A client state of foreign wars. Its young people are condemned to live either in trenches or far away lands. An independence that is in name only. A nation that looks the other way on its deadly problems and fixated on external conflicts. An economy shattered, the lowest in Africa and its social fabric destroyed, where hardly any family has its full members together.

    The fall from grace continues unabated, as the architect of Eritrea’s demise is still supported by cult worshippers who dance on streets of their refuge, atop the body of their independence martyrs, clad with a flag their fathers and mothers paid horrific price to replace.

    It is true, many mistakes, collective and individual, were made prior to September 18, 2001. That includes going back to the armed struggle and before that. But, Eritrea was on the cusp of putting that behind, opening a new door to a nation building that was to be. The regime of Isaias Afewerki and its supporters have managed to destroy ALL of that single handedly and have written a chapter of death, distraction and fragmentation in its place. The damage is done, the loses have been incurred. The full implications of such will continue to detonate for decades to come, devouring the future generations of the nation in its way. Eritrea is truly the proverbial Akheldema – ኣኬልዴማ – the field of blood purchased by the proceeds of betrayal.

    May all the victims that are suffering, find relief and those who passed away, rest in peace.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG and all,

      Eloquent and fitting brief message of a day that shall never fade away from our national collective memory. Indeed, Eritrea and its downtrodden people find themselves between dimly lit twilight of a dawn and thick darkness that shields off what the future holds for them “… as the architect of Eritrea’s demise is still supported by cult worshippers who dance on streets of their refuge, atop the body of their independence martyrs, …”. May the optimism, self confidence and trust that supported our martyrs, and those who sustained enduring injuries to sacrifice, prevail upon the pessimism, diffidence and mistrust that is hampering our collective national will to break the chains of despotism in our land.

      • haileTG

        Thank you Ismail,

        Let it be done! Well put as usual. Thanks

  • said

    Selam
    US set to tighten sanctions on Ethiopia and warring parties
    Biden issues executive order ahead of key decision on Addis Ababa’s participation in African trade agreement.
    The new measures would provide wide latitude to impose sanctions on individuals and entities connected to the conflict, said a person close to the US administration and would prelude to removing Ethiopia, eligible to duty-free access to the US market under the African Growth and Opportunity Act (Agoa), the people said.
    Ethiopia has used Agoa, which gives most African states tariff-free access to some products into the US market, as a catalyst for its manufacturing strategy. It exported $245m worth of goods to the US under Agoa last year, more than 40 per cent of its total exports there. PLs see the link
    US Set To Tighten Sanctions On Ethiopia And Warring Parties – WorldNewsEra

    https://worldnewsera.com/news/finance/us-set-to-tighten-sanctions-on-ethiopia-and-warring-parties/

    Is the U.S.A. is on the WRONG or RIGHT Side of History.
    The news items point poignantly to an America that is always in the Wrong Side of History that its time is inevitably fast approaching of receding to the Second rank of the World Powers on the road of the inevitable eclipse one day leaving the ranks of the leading world powers.
    Although the “Platonic Virtuous State” (Al Madinah Al-Fadilah) is a utopian, unattainable dream that never existed in history or would it one day exist in posterity, however, nevertheless, there are world powers that are more benign, more virtuous and significantly less evil than the others.
    The U.S.A., and as was the case in history of the Roman Empire that continuously failed to observe and meet certain minimal survivable standards of Morality & respect of Human Rights, as measured at the practical functional levels, the U.S.A., judging by the U.S.A.’s recent conducts in history, should well be on the track of the once most dominant Roman Empire that prevailed all over the world of antiquity. What triggered this thought is the U.S. Polity, the American Administrations and all the pillars of the American supposedly “Democratic Institutions” increasingly Gross compromise on the virtuous values of Justice, Freedom and Human Rights, as indiscriminately applied across the universe.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    I came across a fb post today. I don’t know the individual personally but his story is as inspiring as it gets. It also shows the tragedy of youth migration crisis in Eritrea and how the nation is robbed of its finest and brightest. Lives are not only lost in wars, they are lost in all areas where humanity is denied the chance to flourish. Enjoy this short post to restore your faith and dare to hope.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10220092755409636&id=1247472802

    • Desbele

      Selam Haile ,
      Thanks for sharing. Eritrea to Ethiopia and …was a path to freedom and success to many enslaved under pfdj’s tyranny. I am sharing also another interesting story about a young Eritrean , Yonatan ,who excelled in athletics in Denver. He escaped from Eritrea to Ethiopia on third attempt. What catches my attention most is the following statement about the dangers of his escape ” If the moon comes out the Eritreans can see you, and they’re crazy and they’ll shoot you,” Yonatan said. ….”Eventually, with the moon now out, Ethiopian border guards spotted the group and began shouting directions to help guide them down. It was 4 a.m. by the time their(escapees) journey finished.”
      EDF soldiers were shooting to kill Eritreans while Ethiopian soldiers shout to guide them to safety. Good old days . With the closure of the border with Tigray, i can imagine how crushed a dream of freedom is for the youth and children in Eritrea.
      https://www.ncaa.com/news/cross-country-men/article/2019-10-10/how-yonatan-kefle-escaped-his-home-country-eritrea-and

      • haileTG

        Selam Desbele,

        Very true! When we heard of the shoot to kill policy at the border, we thought we’ve seen the worst of the IA army. Well, that was until they crossed the border and killed, kidnapped, looted, raped the refugees in Jan. 2020 and burned down their safe camps. Isn’t it strange to call such a mindless barbarian a defense force? ኣሓ ምስ ሓራዲኤን!!

      • Peace!

        Hi Desbel,

        PFDJ has been naked for decades the main talking point rather should be what have we done? It is time for evaluation and self-critic, certainly not M’Quzzam. Why the opposition camp has failed miserably despite 95% of Eritreans oppose the regime? Has vouching for TPLF, YG, Emanuel Eyassu helped elevate the struggle against PFDJ?

        Peace!

        • Desbele

          Hi Peace,

          The focus of both what Haile and myself shared is on celebrating success stories of young Eritreans despite the monumental challenge pfdj erect on the life of the people in general. On the way, the brutality of the Eritrean regime is exposed and the good will of the people of n Tigray in welcoming Eritrean refugees indicated.
          Time and again your comments are focused in hiding the truth and attacking the opposition. You may attempt to make it subtle , but it is written on the wall. Your messages are ” Dont touch pfdj. Talk about TPLF 24/7 and just whine about opposition for what has befallen on Eritrea. ” ላዲናሉ !! If the opposition failed in the past, mostly it is because of pfdj infiltrators who are disguised as dissenters. I consider yourself as one! No amount of distraction, how large you wave a flag of ‘nationalism’ , you just cant hide or cover the ugly truth of the evil regime and it supporters that reign in Eritrea. It is 18th Sept and reflect on its implications.

          • Peace!

            Hi Desbele,

            Your personal attack aside, I don’t think the 5% can be an excuse for the failure of the 95%. Plus it is not a secret who is infiltrating the opposition camp, it is in YouTube and Facebook for you to find out, you might know them personally. As YG admirer, I ask you a straightforward question if your approach is helping to bring the sad stories you often share to an end.

            Have a good weekend!
            Peace!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Desbele,

            What is apparently at play in this forum is that some loyalists try to wed hypocrisy to dubious patriotism meant to conceal undisguisable loyalty to a brutal regime purposefully designed to serve lustful dreams of a despot. What does it mean to say 95% of the population want the demise of the regime while counting oneself among the 80% and expect them to do the job of getting rid of the regime. It does, indeed, sound cynical posturing, doesn’t it?

          • Peace!

            Hi Ismael,

            Who is regime loyalist? ዓቢ ኢኻ እንትኽበርካ እዩ ዘመልካዓልካ::

            Peace!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Peace,
            Sorry; if you felt offended.
            Honesty, and believe it or not, I did not have you in my mind when I wrote the comments in the context what Desbele had written. Otherwise, I now realize I could have as well addressed my comments to you directly. I only took the 95% fact, which I settled in my mind as a significant and novel piece of information, irrespective of its factual value. Moreover, regarding who the loyalists in our state of affairs are, I would look too self-righteous to tell Peace who the loyalists are and are not. Thanks you for letting me clarify the issue.

          • Peace!

            Hala Ustaz,

            حصل خير

            It is on my part, and sorry for the unintended annoyance I may have caused. Please feel free to correct me as my knowledge on Eritrean politics is limited. your guidance is always appreciated.

            Peace!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Peace,

            .ابشر وهو كذالك ياعزيزي . في النهاية الهم الواحد سوف يجمع اهل الدار الواحد
            Do not worry. At the end, common concerns shall unite us dwellers of the same home.

            We disagree on transient details but destiny of, and loyalty to, one homeland would bring us to the same platform when it will matter most. Leaders and regimes of whatever nature and conduct may come and go; but the nation and its citizen shall remain. That is the bigger picture we all should focus on.

            Thank you for your humility, dear.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Forum participants

    Today September 17, 2021, AP, reported that Somalia accused Djibouti of detaining ex-intelligence chief

    According to the above Gedab News, Fahad Yasin, director of Somalia’s National Intelligence Services Agency who was appointed by the president was suspended by Somalia’s PM Roble. Roble said F. Yasin failed to deliver a report on the case of one of its agents ( Ikran Tahlil) who disappeared in June.

    It seems that the war in Tigray, is catching HoA countries one by one. The regimes of Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia interfered but won’t tell the truth about it to their people. Sudan and now Djibouti , have become victims of the three HoA musketeers

    Djibouti’s foreign minister, Mahmoud Ali Youssouf, quickly denied Somalia’s statement in a social media post, calling the claim fake news that tried to “create confusion and drag Djibouti into Somalia internal challenges.”

    https://apnews.com/article/africa-elections-media-kenya-djibouti-c96d37a198e128c70505d8c8a2d637e0

  • Hashela

    Hi All

    PM AAA wrote an open letter to President Biden. Because it is already Friday afternoon and because of the relevance of the letter for the forum, here I am providing a link to the letter.

    Enjoy

    https://twitter.com/AbiyAhmedAli

    • Brhan

      Hi Hashela,
      This is pure propaganda. The source is not neutral. Next time try to present a link from a neutral source.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Brhan,

        I did not read the letter but I saw it in his Facebook page.

        https://m.facebook.com/PMAbiyAhmedAli/posts/619766006104733

        • Brhan

          Hello Berhe,
          Do not you think that here at awate it is all about presenting the two sides of the story?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,

            1) What’s your point?
            2) Are you making your own posting guidelines?

            Here is Biden statement, if your point was to post two sides. I am guessing

            https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/09/17/statement-by-president-joseph-r-biden-jr-on-the-executive-order-regarding-the-crisis-in-ethiopia/

          • Brhan

            Hi Berhe,
            Ok let us discuss one by one:
            Is Face Book considered a neutral source of info? Note that I have a Face Book, you might as well. It is personal.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Brhan,

            I think your argument is what we use to call ሕልሚ ደርሆ::

            Biden (the US president) took executive decision against the government of Ethiopia, and Eritrea and those in the high government positions.

            Abiy Ahmed, the PM of Ethiopia in his official Facebook page (I am sure in all other official government site as well) responded to the US president.

            What part of this you do not get?

            Why don’t you leave awate moderation to the moderators, and leave the awate community to decide for their own. If anyone is violating the posting guidelines, you are welcome to point it out instead of you coming up with your own guidelines and doing the interpretation for others.

            To your question:
            Is FB considered neutral ? It depends what you are looking. For example, bbc have a Facebook page and they post news and opinions there. Is that any different than when they post in their website?

          • Peace!

            Berhino,

            Facebook is a platform Eyu Eba Beleley:)

            Peace!

          • Brhan

            ሰላም ዓለይኩም Peace
            ኣብ ዓዋተ ምቕዳሕ ብፍጹም ክልኩል ኢዩ!

          • Peace!

            Hala WA,

            Not sure what do you mean? Nonetheless, we do have moderators to enforce the posting guidelines.

            Peace!

          • Brhan

            Hala WA,
            What I mean is you can’t tell the answer of a question to another person. Give a person a chance to answer the question by himself.
            Berhio Do Hiji?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,

            I thought you know what you were doing when some people designed you as resident “news information source”. Anything you posted publicly is fair game and you should expect to get a reply from anyone.

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Hi Berhe
            You have answered part of the question below
            BBC has FB and if it posts its news in it, the source is , BBC and not FB.
            Now the two sides of the story are the federal government of Ethiopia and the Tigray Regional government
            Now you can support either of them but here at our great website of awate.com it is ethically wrong to present one side opinion. If even we didn’t find the opinion of the other side , journalism ethics tells us to mention that we have tried that but couldn’t find and indicate that we will do follow up. That is why Iseriously rely on neutral sources rather on the sources of the warring sides in this case.
            Shahni foul mis Tim’s ice coffee Tegabizka AleKha

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,

            ሸሓኒ ፉል ምስ መዓመር ሻሂ sounds absolutely good.

            I think it’s time you that you believe AT readers are quite capable of making up their minds and do not to be treated like school age children.

            I provided you the two side story, and even Twitter also can be used as legitimate platform for disseminating information.

            It would be nice if you can focus on the message and discus it’s content rather than trying to silence people if the news is not to your liking.

            For example, you share Aljazeera news a lot. Is Aljazeera a balanced and ethical news organization for all its topics that it covers?

          • Brhan
          • Brhan

            Hello Berhe,
            In another comment (above) you asked me Is Aljazeera a balanced and ethical news organization for all its topics that it covers?
            Your answer below is : Thumbs up.
            Does it mean you believe that Aljazeera presents a balanced and ethical news organization for all its topics that it covers.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Brhan,

            I asked a question but you didn’t answer but instead you gave me a sample / example of news, which might be balanced or not because I didn’t read.
            The key point in the question is all news.
            If you had answered either way, I would have a follow up on your reply but since you didn’t, I just gave you thumbs up and saying, I acknowledge your reply and time to move on.

          • Brhan

            Hi Berhe,
            Ok, I will wait until you read it.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,

            I read tge article and I heard the video, good analysis of the sanction and what it would mean to certain party (but not all).

            Still not relevant to what I asked you earlier.

          • Brhan

            Hello Berhe,

            Good that you followed it. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you have found it balanced coverage with no ethical issues.

            Aljazeera (AJ) means the island in Arabic, by the way.

            Now, If I recall, your question was, ” Is Aljazeera a balanced and ethical news organization for all its topics that it covers?”

            You are saying “all the topics that it covers.” Do you mean related to the a) ongoing war in Tigray, Ethiopia, or b) all of the topics it covered since its establishment? I will try to answer both.

            a) I believe so. Firstly, you can see all its news and programs covering the war one by one, and you will reach the same result.

            Secondly, Aljazeera has an office in Addis Ababa. Had it been biased, would you think the Ethiopian gov’t would allow it to continue working from Ethiopia?

            Last but not least, I have not seen you asking the same question for every link I provided. Because if you had hesitation, let us say on one of the news or programs and you have info to prove Aljazeera wrong , your role was to display it on time, on the spot, and with your proof.

            b) I am sure there can be a thesis, studies, and case studies in academia. But I have not yet heard negative views about Aljazeera’s credibility. It encountered banning from some countries, but this was due to politics and not good journalism. Read this article from We the North!
            (https://web.archive.org/web/20120430025039/http://www.cbc.ca/news/about/burman/letters/2006/11/aljazeera_should_be_available.html
            2. AJ has been covering news and info about the war in Tigray, Ethiopia, more than CNN, CBC, and BBC English. It even runs ahead of the BBC Amharic and Tigrinya in its news and other media coverages. I discussed this with haileTG earlier, and AJ might be leading in providing news and info about third-world countries.

            3. As you know, my sources are diverse: CNN, BBC, Foreign Policy, Eritrean Arabic websites, etc. but most of the time, the product is with AJ. I do not want you to understand that I prefer it from others for no reason. It is a trustworthy news source agency that makes the supply available in reasonable quantity and quality.

            And I assure you that I will say spade a spade when I see any discrepancy with AJ ( but I doubt I will see).
            I hope I answered your question.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,
            Thank you for taking the time to respond.

            I don’t know if you are in the business of journalism but an average consumer, which I eat what I mostly fed for the most part, specifically with media that are publicly funded or publicly owned entities such as, BBC, CBC, ABC, or NPR. I do believe in the profession of journalism and it’s self correcting profession where if there is bias from one side it gets challenged abd refuted from the other side, exposed and corrected.

            I have different view when it comes to the media organization who are private or for profit and those who are state controlled (not funded but controlled), such as CNN, Fox News. I don’t know enough about Aljazeera but based on my biased views, I put it in the same category or close to.

            The reason being, it’s funded by the state of Qatar where it might have a lot of influence in its operations and most importantly the freedom of the journalist in what they can and can not say without upsetting the state. I don’t say this to pick on Almaz errs but I read there was mass resignation, mass protest from other governments and states for its bias towards some political organization and parties.

            It’s coverage and in the Ethiopian war may have been balanced and considering it may be doing great service. I don’t know the reason but until now, I have not heard any Eritrean government official or in support of Eritrea position on the war have come as a guest or in the panel to tell their side of the story be it in support or in opposition. May be they made efforts but I have seen and let me know if I am wrong or point me if you know. There are many, many people who can appear in their program than can give their views, without going even far, the resident of awate.

            In conclusion, what I like to say is, you are doing good job and continue to do so. But I feel sometimes you want to sway the argument to your liking and if it isn’t, you play the card of balance, awate standard, bias etc which I think, you should leave to the sophisticated audience and readers to read between the lines and to figure out for themselves.

          • Brhan

            Ya Marhab Peace
            What I mean is do not tell the answer of the question to another person. Let the person answer it by himself?
            በሪሁ ዶ ሕጂ?

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam Kbur Haw Berhe Y,

            It’s not as simple as two sides of the story not being shared to the readers by, Brhan. He falsified information to advance his agenda. He did so recently by claiming the Eritrean government ordered rape, which obviously is a blatant lie. Also, not mentioning TDF killing and raping Eritrean refugees in Tigray is quite surprising as an “Eritrean”.

            (2021-09-16)
            “Eritrean government forces and Tigrayan militias have committed killings, rape, and other grave abuses against Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia’s Tigray region, Human Rights Watch said today. All warring parties should cease attacks against refugees, stay out of refugee camps, and facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid.”

            https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/16/ethiopia-eritrean-refugees-targeted-tigray

        • Peace!

          Berhino,

          Neutral = bbc, aljazeera, Cnn.

          Peace!

  • iSem

    Hi All:
    It is amazing and it borders on insanity for supporters of the regime that is destroying Eritrea to still fetishize Badme and still talk about TPLF should have “simply abided by the final and binding ruling.” This is insane and they are simply revealing their fetish and not concerned about the welfare of Eritreans.
    I agree that much TPLF should have withdrawn because Badme is Eritrean (though I will be remiss not to mention that it was gifted to them by EPLF in 1981 when ELF was attacked by EPLF and TPLF). But TPLF decided not to withdraw until they were forced to in Nov 2020
    But what is this insanity and obsession with Badme that is irrelevant to our development and peace inside our country.
    Those who use Badme as their fetish do not ask why were the G15 disappeared, why were the journalist disappeared and the over 10,000 prisoners in underground prisons form last count? Was TPLF to blame for this too? Some use the Dongolo username here and Dongolo was the place the 15 were in prisoners first, then they moved to Embatkala then to Ela-Ero. So it is their fetish too, getting giddy knowing that the “enemies” of Eritrea were in that place. Like a psychopath rapist who keeps souvenirs to remind them of the thrill of of their crimes.
    TPLF’s occupation and their refusal to withdraw has zero impact with how IA treated and enslaved Eritreans (IA did what he does long before may 24), making a once promising nation a textbook failed state, no matter the fantasy of some here, who are averting the truth, for reason that borders on lunacy.
    Now, Badme is “free”, changed hands from foreigners ot our own, and no one can tell us if the plight of the people have improved, actually it will deteriorate.
    Life in Eritrea is the same level as teh ዘመን ኣካሒዳ when betrayals loomed due to the famine and eating became a taboo ( probably were we got to redickle people with big appetite, my hunch). I asked an uncle when I saw people close their doors when eating in the highland but people ate with their doors open in lowland when I was a kid and the uncle told me, it is because of ዘመን ኣካሒዳ)
    I digress, canine has not kicked in yet. But the idea that TPLF gave IA a reason to subjugate us because they refused to withdraw from badme is also insane. IA does this because he has an agenda, sick agenda and in Dongolo, Hashela, and oh former Tegadali Semere Tesfay and all his admirers, IA has the blessing. These people never ask for rule of low, for releasing the prisoners. To be honest I feel ashamed to witness whenEri is supposedly free, no single prisoner is released, the dead are buried in the dead of the neat in shallow graves in near Ela-Ero but during Eri’s gilded age, gallant Eritrean were able to break the prison, releasing 1000 prisoners from Sembel and Adi Qualla simultaneously and ironically Haile Derue, now presumed dead in Ela-Ero was one of them and he went back to EPLF and helped create this monster by his words, his writing, his ideology. I once wrote that he was the jefferson of EPL, but crafted the wrong systems that finally trapped him
    So here is our fight: it is against PFDJ and what it stands for but it is against the psgciopathes, teh Ted Bandy’s the Paul Bernados, the Josef Fritzl and the Ariel Castros of Eritrea and a few are here hoisting the Badme banne as their fetish. Even IA said that badme is a dusty village it is useless. This people have decided to go down with Lucifer and it is their choice and we should not be criticized for hurting their feeling

    • Brhan

      Merhaba iSem,
      PF(DJ) servants have been mushrooming at awate and its forum. They want to express their point that they can’t do at PF(DJ) forums because it is only PF(DJ)’s way. They come here to satisfy their needs to express themselves, which awate is giving them abundantly. Still, they hardly criticize PF(DJ) because the PF(DJ) has brainwashed them to a degree they have a short memory about its atrocities against Eritreans. Consider them as knocking at your door to say something and allow them even what they say is absurd. What you are doing is providing help so that they can be healthy and what they want is to continue in their sick environment.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Brhan and iSem,

        What is really needed is the weeding out of PFDJ from the region than just their appearances here and there. The PFDJ is uniquely and primarily toxic entity. No matter what it supports or argues for has no value other than causing harm to this or that party. Toxicity is their identifying mark. I honestly believe that when PFDJ is no more, our region will go to normal (in good and bad) as one would expect. The driver of PFDJ is hate, fear, bitterness, jealousy and suchlike lower qualities. It doesn’t care about border more than using it to get at others, it doesn’t support PMAA to stabilize Ethiopia but cause suffering to Tigrayans and Eritrean opposition, it doesn’t want development but pretension of such to believe its own jokes. It is a diabolical entity that is micro reflected in its supporters and sympathizers. So, meeting the latter here and rehabilitating them to some extent might help to lower the risk once the twilight moments of the mendacious-to-form evil regime is gone.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Selamat iSem/Brhan/haileTG
          You are forgetting one of the critical parameters: flexibility.
          With the exception of Semere T., most of these guys will be ahead of your when the criminal entity, hgdf, is gone. They will pretend that they were the ultimate Deleyti FitHi.
          Just to give you an example, Aregay Hagos was Wedo Geba and most of us seen how he is now acting ….

          • iSem

            Hi MM:
            I agree with you. I can tell you AHagos once told his cousin that if he had a gun he would shoot him because his cousin said something bad about IA

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat iSem,
            I knew him by name when he deserted EPLF and I met him in Oakland few years ago. AT that time, he was anti hgdf and now he is acting as supper hgdf.
            Friends tell me he is like a sine wave…so, it depends on when you see him 🙂

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam MM,

            Come back to were you belong. Represent the opposition for your countrymen and women instead of serving foreign interests.

            Eleltan embeban gerna ken qebeleka ina. 🙂

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Metshaf Jigninet
            I would say thank you for your generosity but I don’t serve foreign interests; such as DIA, Kisha, Monkey, Abraha Kasa, wedi Gerahtu, and many more.
            Remember tomorrow is 09/18 and does that day mean to you? Hint: Ela Ero
            Anyone defends hgdf is serving foreign interests. Are you one of them?

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam MM,

            The forumite, Sara, explained recently in a post that many who oppose foreign involvement, namely by TPLF, gets classified as PFDJ.

            This holds true and needs to change. The supporters of TPLF on the other hand will without hinder taint the good name of Eritreans. When TDF is accused for the same crimes as EDF you can hear crickets walking past you some miles away (exaggeration), but everything EDF is accused of is magnified and spinned to suit the narrative of TPLF.

            Again, I urge you to come back to where you belong. They will use you as long as you benefit them and then throw you away when your usefulness has expired.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Metshaf Jigninet
            If you were an engineer or physicist or mathematician, you could clearly see your theory fails by your own statement.
            My interest is one and only one: the truth.
            My country’s solders invade Tigray
            My country’s solders are supporting the enemy who we fought for more than 3 decades
            My country’s solders are not standing for my country but for the cruel DIA
            Still, in that army are my family and I don’t want them to die for nothing to do with Eritrea.
            I am not the one who is dancing in Amara’s bandera.
            I am not the one who is saying the previous colonial country is my friend.
            What’s your position here, MJ?
            Are you asking to be colonized again?
            Are you telling me we are part of Ethiopia?
            Are you telling me is ኣይከሰርናን?
            Are you telling me we are one people, with the Ethiopian colonialist?
            Are you telling me the border is not a priority but Ethiopian integrity?
            What are you you telling me here?

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hey MM,

            I am a chef. 👨🏾‍🍳 😁
            The truth is what I shared with you in my post prior to this one. You, however, chose to look past it. Your people are used, abused and lack free will to decide their faith. Knowing this you should, in my opinion, help them alleviate their pain by supporting them.

            Supporting them does not mean supporting adventures of war. It means acknowledging the worth of their lives and the sacrifices they made to protect and preserve, Eritrea.

            The rest is, with all due respect, unnecessary for me to answer, because I explained my position previously.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat MJ
            Please don’t devalue the Eritrean life. Any Eritrean soul dying to help Ethiopia at this time is pure waste.Ethiopian war is theirs and not our business.
            My family members are there and I have very sharp pain. It is personal to me.To make it worse, their parents die to liberate the exact enemy that they are supporting now [Easy, Peace. You have no one to lose and don’t ever try to say what you have said before again]
            MJ, do you have any immediate family, as part of the invaders? If you do, please consider their precious lives.

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam MM,

            TPLF, according to their spokesperson and others, suggested attacking Eritrea.

            They wouldn’t get anywhere, but let’s assume they do to make use of your logical prowess as an engineer. Would they meet resistance and Eritrean lives become endangered, or would they be welcomed to walk right through?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat MJ,
            What you are asking me is theory but we are doing to them is reality. We are currently in their land. Don’t you think we should be ashamed to ask this kind of questions.
            For God sake, we are invaders. What are we trying to be blind? The whole world is asking us to get the hell out of Tigray. Is there any other Eritrea that no one is aware but few?

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam MM,

            It is a shame you don’t include the responsibility of TPLF in your reasoning. Being the aggressor and the victim is not something many can pull off. So, credit where credit is due…..

            The people of Tigray deserves better! They need to hold TPLF responsible, for crimes against the people of Tigray.

            Alleged crimes, by every part included in the conflict, will hopefully get investigated objectively in due time.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat MJ,
            I didn’t include TPLF because TPLF is not Eritrean. I thought we are talking about our country?

          • Peace!

            Hi MJ,

            It is really sad when people are too conscious about individuals and their views. They have been using the same tactic for years to cover their double standard, hypocrisy and silence.

            Peace!

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam Peace!,

            Indeed, it’s remarkable. Everyone who don’t jump on the TPLF train is an PFDJ, according to them. Caring for the people of Eritrea is made to look like a crime, or something to be embarrassed about. Unacceptable, to say the least.

            TPLF is the sole reason for where Ethiopia and Tigray is today, not to mention some of the sanctions that contributed to hindering Eritreas development.

            The mismanagement of Ethiopia for 27 years and implementation of the disastrous federal system lead to ethnic division that ultimately only could have one possible outcome. After setting the horn on fire, they still enjoy support by the gullible few.

          • Peace!

            Hi MJ,

            Can’t agree more. I always wonder why are they over confident in TPLF over Eritreans themselves despite TPLF has never supported a stable and democratic Eritrea, and keeps threatening to invade the country? The funny thing is they were literally in Addis with TPLF for 27 years, and accomplished nothing. What is different now other than TPLF heading back to Dedebit.

            Peace!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam MM,
            You reminded me of Dr. Amare Tecle. Do you know anything about his background and position on the question of Eritrea? But he was chosen to chair the commission that oversaw the referendum.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG,

          I think this is where you and many like you fail to see. When someone asks the boarder needs to be demarcated and TPLF should accept it, it’s not because better things to expect from IA if and when that’s done. No, not at all.

          If it gets demarcated great, it helps both people, if not it will be used, against him as a strategy to rally the people to rise against him.

          I watched Melles interview, I think it’s the same one you told me to look few years ago. What he failed to say, let’s go do it and call or ask who ever needs to ask to demarcate it unconditionally.

          Do you remember when we use to play football back home, I am hoping you did. We use to say when someone is running with the ball አወድአዮ, stay with him and get him tired, so you can take away the ball as he is tired.

          That’s is exactly what it means about the boarder, to make him finish his and run out of excuses. It’s possible that he would come up, but it will not be TPLF/Ethiopia problem.

          The target is not to convert NNNN but the most majority who think “ቦርደር ከይተሓንጸጸ” and willing to put up. We can say that’s an excuse and we think the people concern has no merit, but I think that’s not knowing ourselves (our people deep mistrust of TPLF). If you ask 10 random people, I would say you will get 8 people who will not “trust TPLF” and are willing to put up and delay asking for change.

          For example: we can rally the youth in national service to stand up and make an argument, the boarder is demarcated why we need to stay indefinitely.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            Haha.. I like the improvised ቦርደር ከይተሓንጸጸ 🙂 Better than ዶብና ከይተሓንጸጸ. It fits the diaspora very well.

            In your opinion,

            what is the connection between border demarcation and having a democratic change?

            IMO, demarcation a border is responsibility of the state, regardless who is in government.

            – How does a demarcated border increase protection from TPLF?

            IMO, if the fear of TPLF is that it would “install puppet government”, no amount of border or fencing can protect against that.

            A point to ponder about is that the border issue is used as a pretext. Recently it changed to “let’s wait till Ethiopian elections”, then now it changed to “let’s wait till TPLF loses”. It is an immoral act when seen against September 18th, 2001, and continue to contemplate that IA can be tolerated until demarcation, it is an immoral act to continue to do so despite the depopulation and traumatization of an entire generation. It is an immoral act to continue to do so while witnessing Eritreans lined up to get killed in Ethiopia’s brutal ethnic war with overtones and undertones of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Looking away on all that and more to merely demarcate a border? Can anyone in their right mind put those two together: national catastrophe and demarcating a border? And that is going to give protection from TPLF? Really? I think something is deeply flawed.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            I tried and I failed miserably. When Haile DuruE said, ወያነ ዕጥይጥይ ክትገብር ኢያ: ንሕና ግን ሕሳብና ክንገብር አሎና:: How many people do you think understood what he was saying then, and still do today.

            Logically you make sense, but you underestimate the misinformation and propaganda. I use to argue, even if demarcation of the boarder is an absolute necessary, it only requires few experts to work on it, while the rest of the country moves on with her business. ኩላትና ዲና መስመርን ርሳስን ሒዝና ክንሕንጽ: ካልእ ስራሕና አወንዚፍና::

            we are to demarcate the boarder,

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            Yes, that is true. There was time when I gave it full benefit of the doubt that those people somehow believed demarcation is linked to democratic change. Be it through misinformation or their own misunderstanding. However, it has now become clear, they too use it as a way to evade or delay change.

            There is a supporter whom I know and we often argue politics. Recently, with the intense pressure hgdef is under, this person goes along on every aspect of change needed, until I tell him that finally, peace can’t be had unless justice is done. At that point he renege on all points and returns to even reveal that how mindlessly would support the system even if it risks the nation. This person is an average Eritrean who fought in the border war and crossed in to Sudan when the ENDF entered Barentu. The hardening of his position came after marriage to a wonderful young lady born in Sahil during the armed struggle, from two tegadelti parents. The mother in-law is now in civil service and father in-law is a colonel who works at the military police (tseTa nay serawit). The department of military police is a more brutal one as you know. He also has a sister in-law who grew up in meda (older to his wife) and joined the struggle. She is now immigrated as every one but worked in civil service to. Without going into detail, these tegadelti family, do of course get part of the misery the nation is going through but could see that they needlessly benefit from power and position which in my opinion, added nothing real to their lives – except have a home here or get easy migration routes there and the likes. But, you can see how such person feels when hearing peace needs justice to be done. So, all the pretending comes, but the aim is to keep the regime going and delay change as far as possible.

            Today is (September 18) another reason why they away too. Hence, I have long stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt.

      • sara

        excuse me Mr. Brhan,
        what is your point to repeatedly say pfdj bla ..bla, why not say it straight
        who is who in this forum, so that we know who you meant, why go around, and i am sure you will get the right response. look i can write day in day out
        pfdj this pfdj that, but it doesn’t make me one inch better than any one here.
        as far as most forumers understand this website it eritrean primarily but hosts others who are interested in eritrean affairs, whether you like it or not.
        fa…please stop this nonsense accusation that awate is giving them space…
        awate.com is bigger than what you seem to allude.

        • Peace!

          Hi Sara,

          His sense of entitlement to this website is ridiculous, not sure if he is a board member. All he does is whine and drop pro TPLF links.

          Peace!

          • Hashela

            Peace

            “ not sure if he is a board member”. Are you serious?
            Has Awate Bord fallen so deep and low?

          • Brhan

            Hello Hashela,

            You are more innovative ( like here killing two birds with one stone), but again and again, you confirm your agenda: attack the website and its administrators (which I am not) , you did it before, and here you are doing it. At least you have a mission! But an evil mission.

          • Hashela

            Hello Brhan

            I haven’t attacked the website which is dear to me. My statement expresses that you don’t have the intellectual aptitude to be on the board. You see, even reading requires someone degree of contextual understanding.

          • Brhan

            Hello Hashela,
            I witnessed how the administrators dealt with you in the past. But if now you are saying Awate is dear to you, this is good news.
            Secondly, you hardly comment on my info and news-based inputs. My sources for my inputs are neutral, not like yours, for example, A. Ahmed Ali Twitter, a PP propaganda tool!

          • Hashela

            Dear Brhan

            “ … you hardly comment on my info and news-based inputs”
            That is right! For good reasons, some “news” don’t deserve our time and attention.

          • Brhan

            Dear Hashela,
            I thought that Eritrean issues deserve Hashela’s attention. Thanks for letting me know.

          • Hashela

            Selam Brhan

            I am stunned by the success of the Agazian Movement. Now, some Eritreans believe that TPLF’s self-inflicted problem is an Eritrean issue and deserves Eritrean attention.

            ምሕረት ኣውርድ

          • Brhan

            Selam Hashela,
            You are smart but this time you used a wrong card. What happened to you “Jocker”
            ዓሻስ ሓደ ደርፉ ኮይኑ ናትካ ነገር!

          • Hashela

            Selam Brhan

            Let me say this before I close with you for today.
            Migbey, Teklebrhan and other TPLF’s top dogs made clear to the general public that Agazianism is the center and focus of TPLF agenda. The time is gone when Tigrayan elites used to placate us by describing Agazianism as a fringe phenomenon.

          • Brhan

            Selam Hashela,
            My closing remark too:
            Sectarian cards have been used here many times by some forum participants, including you as ሕንግጉ. The tactic has been to know or assume a person’s background and pick the card you think is suitable to use against the person.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            ንሶም ክሽፍኑ ወያነ ድማ ከፍድሑ ሕኽ ይባሀሉ አለዉ::
            በል እዚ እስከ ስምዓዮ: መን ከም ዝብልዎ እካ እድዑሉ:: ግን ብጣዕሚ ዝገርም ሓቅታት ይዛረብ አሎ:: ቃልሲ ህዋሓት: እንታይ ከም ዝነበረን ዘሎን እዩ ዝድንጽውካ:: ከምዚን ወዲ ከምዝን እንዳሓለምካስ “ሰላም ንግበር ድማ ይበሃለለይ”

            https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=194813702720994&id=100065770959610

          • Brhan

            Hello Peace,

            The links that I put are in the links that I find. I have said this before again and again ዕዳጋ ከምዝረኸብካዮ እምበር ኣዴኻ ከምዝለ ኣኸትካ ኣይኮነን.
            I remember haileTG asking me to find news to please you guys and I promised and told him I would do that saying ካብ ማ ዓኮር ሓርማዝ ክደሊ እየ.
            But my big question is, if you find that I am selective in my links, why don’t you say it on time like Tensae.
            But poor Tensae was asleep(ኣይተሰአን ነይሩ) when I wrote about the news that he said I did not cover.
            I will do you a favor to check your comment above is wrong. If not, I am afraid to say you are telling a lie.
            My turn is to give you a link to prove you wrong. Do not be lazy and check this ( you have to scroll down, though) http://awate.com/awate-com-negarit-2021-fundraising-drive/#comment-5526773112

          • haileTG

            መርሓባ ብርሃን ዓርከይ!

            ሓንሳብ ሓንሳብ’ሲ ነታ “ምዕሩይ ኣካይዳ” እትብል መርገጽና ኣወንዝፍና ክንቁሽሙዶም;ዶ ክንውዕል ይሓይሽ? መዓስ መዓልቲዮ’ም ንሶም ይትረፍ ክልተ ገጹ ዋላ ሙሉእ ነብሱ ዜና ተኻፊሎም ዝፈልጡ? እንዳበኸዩ’ዶ ኣሸጊሮምኻ ሓቀይ:-)

          • Brhan

            መርሓብ ሃይለTG ዓርከይ
            ደሓን ኣለካንዶ ንቐደም በሉ …ከምዚ ኢዩ እቲ ጉዳይ ካብ ምባል ዝቐልል ነገር ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን እቲ ምንታይ እቲ ጉዳይ ከም ጸሓይ በርቂ ብሩህ እንዲዩ .. ንዑዑ እንዳረኣና ምሓባሮም ዶ ከይጠፍኣና?

        • iSem

          Hi Sara:
          I know this comment is not addressed to me, but here is what is clear who is PFDJ supporter in awte.
          1. Hashela
          2. Dongolo
          3. Semere Tesfai
          4. MJ: though is tricky
          5. Abi, he is Ethiopian but has deep interest in Eritrean politics, which is fine as Eritreans like me have interest in Ethio poltis, but he is for PFDJ
          I heard you complain about calling forumers PFDJ supporters at least twice, but you never raised the issue as after as I can rem and tell that whenever one opposes PFDJ they are called A*me or TPLF supporters. Why is that?
          It is the PFDJ supporters MO to call dissenting views as enemies of the people. are you aware of that? There are Eritreans who never visited their county because the supporters like Hashela spy on them and their names are in Asmara airport book and there are a few who have never returned. Some like Hiwet from Indiana and the dude from Dallas were like to make it back.
          So are you aware of these facts? Or are you worried only about hurting the feelings of people who harbour soft spots for PFDJ and its outright supporters
          I do not remember exchanging comments with you but I have seen your exchanges with others and what I rem was politeness and balanced and reasonable person, or am I confusing you with a different Sara?
          The offender in our country is PFDJ and they are in power and if they are strong enough they have to let up their grip on our people and should sced power to the people. You are concerned with calling ppl PFDJ supporters if they exude PFDJ mantra. It is disappointing. Too bad their feeling and yours is hurt but the country is hurt and those of us who oppose PFDJ are not hurting our people except the feeling of the supporters of the criminal entity and now you either stand with the justice and you can criticize those of us who are for justice to make us better and to debate better (because we can always do better and we should) but you cannot tell anyone not to call the ppl listed here PFDJ supporters because their words give them away, though they deny it.
          thanks for reading

          • Abi

            iSem
            I support everything and everyone who support Ethiopia.
            I stand with anyone including PFDJ to eliminate the Tplf thugs.
            I support the Eritrean Government in its efforts to eliminate the Tplf thugs.
            I stand with the devil to expedite the demise of the Tplf thugs.
            I support and encourage the Mighty EDF in its efforts to defend Eritrean sovereignty from the reckless TDF and its supporters.
            You know I don’t like ambiguity.

          • iSem

            hiAbi:
            Eritrea sovereignty is in danger that is why you support PFDJ and the danger comes from the unholy alliance between EDF and ENDF.
            But I give you more advice, if I were you I would worry about the survival of Ethiopia. Your country in text book civil war and you are still in denial. Even when MH was in power Ethiopia was going through hard times but its survival was not in danger bu tnow it is so stop your fantasy and come to reality. just a friendly advice, you can take it, it is free, but you do not take it, it will cost you 🙂

          • Abi

            iSem
            Your friendly and free advice is greatly appreciated.
            The alliance of EDF and ENDF is the only solution to keep the region safe and secure. With the elimination of the cancerous Tplf, peace and prosperity will reign in the region.

          • sara

            selamat Ato semere,
            you said you don’t remember you exchanged comments with me….
            we did exchange long ago, maybe you forgot… it was about your favorite place kassala. its me the same same….
            one thing i want also to share with you is… i live not far from my country and still uphold our social values of respecting elders. its
            hard to break from that cultural asset…. may be i have to travel far place to disengage from that , and act like all of my peers.
            As for the rest of your comments, i don’t want to duel on it with you as my comment was addresses to ato brhan.

        • Brhan

          Ahlen Ya Sara,
          To make a long story short: what does September 18 means to you?

          • sara

            selam ato Brhan,
            To give you a short answer, it is one of those bad days in our history.

          • Brhan

            Ya hala Ya Sara,
            I know that is the one of the bad days in our history. But the issue is either black or white , there is no grey. So again to make long story short , do you stand with Al Sayda Fozia Hashim ( the minster who is not serving justice at all) and her narrative in this regard or not. I totally don’t.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    The US has signed an executive order for sanctions against Ethiopia, Eritrea and TPLF for measures to be taken against anyone hampering peaceful resolution of Tigray conflict. Insider tip says that a 14 day grace period is given to the parties. Eritrea is required to fully, permanently and in a verifiable manner withdraw from Tigray else face targeted sanctions.

    • Peace!

      Hailuwa,

      Thanks for the info!

      I think president Biden needs to realize the fact that Eritrean and Ethiopian Americans vote democrat overwhelmingly, and such grossly misguided policy can put the seating congressmen and women in swing states Virginia, Minnesota, Maryland, and Georgia in jeopardy should both people decide to stay home in election day. We live in a social media era it takes only few clicks. The Democratic Party should avoid another Florida.

      Peace!

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG,

      Thanks for the info. For those who want to read the entire text can go to Addis Standard. It looks the Order to be robust enough to send a message to the government in Addis Ababa, and the Ethiopians by and large. The key point in there is the question of survival of Ethiopia as a state has become a serious concern. The USA does not appear to want to wait until the warring parties settle prove their fortunes. The USA losing Afghanistan and scaling down its presence elsewhere in the Near East – Iraq and Syria – it does not want to lose Ethiopia as a key state in the Horn and the wider East Africa. I think it time for the current Ethiopian government to sober down and act in statesmanship way, and read what is clearly written on the wall. Challenging the USA will not be a wise thing to do, even when one has China and Russia on his/her side. The fortunes of the Dr. Abij’s Prosperity Party do not commensurate the wider interest of Ethiopia as a state. So, seeking cessation of hostilities and talking is more useful to all than military prowess.

      • Hashela

        Selam Ismail

        “So, seeking cessation of hostilities and talking is more useful to all than military prowess.”
        While correct, don’t you think your advice should also be directed to TPLF who pressing deep into uncontested territories, causing humanitarian devastation?

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Hashela,
          Had you read a bit closer, you would have noticed the statement you cited is general, which of course includes the TPLF. But still, the onus lies on the court of the federal government which is not facing the Tigrayans alone. Problems are multiplying by the day. The latest involve the Somali regional tate, which announced it is abandoning the re-election balloting in protest to the PP and its politiking

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            There is no mention of TPLF in your post. Your statement is very specific.

            My point is not about what-aboutism. Not realizing that TPLF’s conduct is a part of the problem will not lead to a durable solution.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hashela,

            Again, dear, although you are free as to how you understand what you read, I am , as an owner of the statement, is telling you what I meant. You are right in the sense that TPLF is a factor in either way – as a protagonist in the ongoing war, and as a stakeholder in cessation of hostilities and prospective peace making process thereafter.

          • Hashela

            Dear Ismail

            ” TPLF is a factor in either way – as a protagonist in the ongoing war,
            and as a stakeholder in cessation of hostilities and prospective peace making process thereafter”

            This is a very favorable description of TPLF and its past and present destructive role. I agree with you in that everyone is entitled to his opinion and as forumers we can only read what is written.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hashela,

            Clarifying issues is always useful. Thanks for doing so.

            Nonetheless, it is not a matter of being favorable or otherwise to any of the stakeholders in Ethiopia. The point eally is who under the present circumstances is in position in playing role in stopping the ongoing carnage and ordeal of ordinary people.

            As casual observers, we should not look at things from the vantage point of whether what we wish to happen would serve our purpose or not. What I personally would like to see, especially as an Eritrean, is not to be swayed by the political position I uphold vis-a-vis the regime in Eritrea. I should look at the situation in Ethiopia as pure internal matter, and should encourage Ethiopians to resolve their problems through dialogue instead of warfare. My problem is that we as Eritreans have been afflicted by an illegitimat regime under an egoistic dictator who has been creating for us traps that divided us on internal as well as external matters.

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            Whether governed by a despot or by a democratically elected leadership, Eritreans and Eritrea are and will be directly affected by political instabilities in Ethiopia and have, therefore, vested interests in a peaceful and majority-led Ethiopia. One doesn’t have to be an Ethiophile or a historian to support the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ethiopia.

            Albeit for different reasons, you and I have a convergent view and interest when it comes to Ethiopia’s future. Like many Eritreans, I wish Tigray stays with Ethiopia not only for historical/cultural/religious reasons as you alluded, but because Tigrayan elites and leadership will be hopefully tamed and detoxed in a majority-led Ethiopia.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hashela,

            Once more, it would be quite helpful in avoiding confusion when one closely looks with open mind at what the other posts in this forum. For heaven sake, sir, I did not claim an “Ethnophile” status, or tried to be understood as such, as an historian to advocate for “the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ethiopia”. What I stated hinted to my humble educational background as a former history student, and that my modest exposure to the history of that land warranted to scribble an opinion on events out there. No more, no less.

            I agree with you that as a polity in the neighborhood, we can be affected by negative or positive developments in Ethiopia; the same goes with Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and beyond. That is why we keep on arguing about what is in the best interest of Ethiopia.

            Moreover, I wish Ethiopia would be able to safely transit to a peaceful transition period in which, not mechanical majorities of sorts like demographics, but in which it would become a land where the socio-ethnic diversities that comprised of the former empire will settle their differences amicably find their proper places in a democratic nation-state that accommodates them to live and prosper as citizens who loyally discharge of their obligations to the state and fiercely protect their rights – the same way I wish to see our own diversities who suffering under the shackles of despotic regime dominated by a callous autocrat.

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            “That is why we keep on arguing about what is in the best interest of Ethiopia.”

            I would like us (also) to argue about what is in the best interest of Eritrea!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela and Ismail,

            Allow me gentlemen to give my unsolicited opinion.
            Hashela, usually Ismail doesn’t need help, but today he does. Let me try.
            Ismail is not a partisan of Ethiopian disintegration. He is not recognizing TPLF as a leader of a separate counyry. He believes in Ethiopia remaining as we know it. Therefore, when he says ‘Ethiopians at large’ and the various warring parties, he is including TPLF in there as well. That was mu understanding.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile S.,
            Thank you. You and I have been in this forum for quite some time. We halve seen participants come and go. You remember formidable days when formidable persons debated. I can remember with nostalgia Mahmouday, Hayat Adem, tes and many. As you quite rightly observed, I am not for de-making of any state save those who had to separate themselves due to illegal association.

            My position vis-a-vis Ethiopia, I am a humble advocate for the continuity of Ethiopia in its current shape as member of international community of nations. You might remember I had argued on this point with respected commentators like Amde and Fanti, and several Ethiopian friends. I did this as a former student of history arguing from historical vantage point. I know the consequence of strength and weakness at the seat of power in Ethiopia as an imperial construct. In doing that, I always emphasized the components on which the former empire had rested on, which is Abyssinia (Habesha) in culture, social set up and religion, whose epi-centers spanned from the cultural and religious heart of Abyssinia (Tigray and Axum), stretching towards the center at Lalibella and down to Ankober, and later closing the circle in westerly direction to Azezzo under Emperor Susenyos and Gondar under Fasiledes to return back to where it began and settling in Enderta under Yohannes IV.

            For this reason, I stop and wonder when friends voice opinion about Tigray seceding. I ask myself from whom shall it secede anyway? From itself? Someone in this forum was mad at me when I wrote that I cannot foresee Ethiopia as we knew it without Tigray. Of course, he was talking from current partisan political expediency angle. Thus, sir, it is in the interest of all in the region and beyond that Ethiopia does not disintegrate.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail,

            Well said! The history of the habesha component and especially that of the Amhara, the Semien, the various people placed under “Tigray”, and the minor (in No) other peoples interspersed between them is so much intertwined that it doesn’t make sense as you justly said to talk of one separating from the others.

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            You got this one absolutely wrong. The character you are defending is the first one praying every second of the day to see the disintegrated Ethiopia if his beloved Tigray is removed from power.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጀታው፡

            ከመቼ ጀምሮ ነው በጸላይ እና በጸሎት መሃከል ጆሮ ደቅነው ማዳመጥ የጀመሩት? እኔ ሓጥያት እንጂ ጸሎት መስማት ኣልችልበት! እኚህ ሰውየ ደግሞ እንዲህ ዓይነት ሓጥያት ሲናገሩ ሰምቼ ኣላውቅም! ግድ የለም፡ ሰው ኣማትተዋል! በዚች ጉዳይ በጎሪጥ መታያየታችን ነው መሰለኝ።

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            እንኳን ሰው የፃፈውን የሚያልመውንም አነባለሁ::
            ሰውየው ኢትዮጵያ ላይ ከፍተኛ ጥላቻ አላቸው:: ህወሓት ካልገዛ ኢትዮጵያ ትበታተን ብለው ከነገሩን አመታት አስቆጥረዋል::

          • Haile S.

            እንደምን ኣደሩ ጀታው

            እርስዎ ህልም ማየት የሚችሉት፡ የተጻፈው ኣንብበዋል’ና፡ ምነው ይሄ ተብለዋል የሚሉት ነገር ማረፍያ ወይም ማሳረፍያ ብያገኙለት።

            ወይ ማረፍያ በዚህ ቀን በዚህ ሁኔታ በጽሑፈ-ጥቅሻ
            Speculation ከሆነ ማሳረፍይ ተቆፍሮ ለዘለዓለም በዋሻ
            ብለዋል-ኣላልኩም-ኣልተባለም ሲባለ ኣይኖርም ነገር እየታሻ!

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            ማረፊያውም ማሳረፊያውም የሚገኘው ማፈሪያውና ሰው መሳዩ ፍጡር ዘንድ ነው::

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,
            ኣዙሮው እና ኣስተውሎው ከሚናገሩትና ከሚጽፉት ቀዳሚ ከሆኑት የዚህ ኣምድ ተከታታዮች “ሰው መሳይ ፍጡር” ብሎ መጥራት ትክክል ኣይደለም። ምነው ጥላቻው ቢጣል!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile S.,

            “… ማፈሪያው[ና] ሰው መሳዩ ፍጡር ዘንድ ነው“. (emphasis mine) Thank you, Haile. You know now who this person is. Sorry to say, but he is a clown not even a cheap rustic medieval court jester would have matched. I do not want to repeat the fitting adjective I had used to describe him in the past. He is severely devoid of integrity. He could either stand by his allegation by providing the quote, or as an honorable person acknowledge a mistake, and shut up.

            On my part, many in this forum still remember that I offered my readiness to apologize to my Ethiopian friends on condition he could have posted the exact words, date and entry.

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            ይህን እንኳን ሰው ሞት የጠላውን ፍጡር ምን አድርገው ነው የምትለኝ?
            ኢህአዲግ ይግዛ ብሎ የሚያላዝንበት ምክንያት ለመቶ ሚልዮን ህዝብ ያለው ንቀትና ጥላቻ ነው::

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile S.,

            As I had quit for good anything to do with this creature, I would not have liked to ask you for help. I did everything I could to kindly convince him to produce the direct quote in which I argued that Ethiopia could disintegrate without TPLF did not rule, as he alleged. I had even asked the help of SJ though I knew it would become a burden to him. He is the only one who alleges he read the stuff. No other Ethiopian friend or Eritrean has seconded his allegation. After failing to produce the post, I closed the record with him. It is just useless to deal with such characters who stay in ambush and throw a word or a line and add nothing to our purpose of coming to this forum.

            Now, I would like to ask you a favor. Would you like to ask him to produce in words what he is alleging? For the record though, I might have argued with respected Ethiopian friends that it was important the EPRDF to stay in power for the reasons I always emphasize, as I indicated in my last post in response to you, until the country should have been guided to transit to peaceful transition and overhauling of the post 1991 federal arrangement.

          • Brhan

            Mehaba Ustaz Ismail,

            He can’t produce.

            A month ago awate moderator told him this:

            It’s a weekend, pls provide a link to your source or put the tag words, title, and date of publication so members can verify your source. If you do not provide proof, the comment will be deleted and we will lodge a serious violation of forum guidelines//Moderator]

            http://awate.com/eritrean-leaders-sandcastle-play/

            He has not produced till this day.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Ismail!

        Thanks for directing me to the full text. Also read the response of PMAA. He has chosen confrontational format to handle the issue with the USA and swore by freedom of Africans that he will stick to his guns. At least it is good that the US has resolved to safe him from himself. We now await the re reaction of the rogue regime from our side of the Mereb.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam haile TG,

          I do not expect the regime in our land will say anything as its hermetic nature has demonstrated. After all, there is one single spokesman out there. There is government whose members share responsibilities in accordance to their portfolio’s. As to PMAA is posture, I suspect his association with the democrats might be impaired by evangelical faith and titles toward the neo-liberal segment that predominantly made up the Trump administration who supported him to ascend to power in 2018. Otherwise, why should he antagonize and alienate USA knowing its the preponderance of its influence?

        • Brhan

          Merhaba haileTG
          PMAA must be in another planet. African countries from east to west , south to north have said their say: sit and negotiate. . A few days ago his attorney general tarnished the AU. He is playing a song at a wrong time
          Yeah, you are right let us wait from our side of the Mereb. Here at awate we present the two sides of the story.

  • Brhan

    Salam Awate Forum participants

    Somalia political rift intensifies amid row over missing spy

    Ikran Tahlil’s disappearance has caused huge political divisions in Somalia.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-58584625

    Ten years ago September, Drue and Sherifo challenged dictator IA. Ten years later, and again in September, Somali PM Mohamed H Roble is challenging president Formajo. The irony is that the issue ten years ago and ten years later is the same: the war in Tigray, Ethiopia!

  • Hashela

    Hi All

    In a tweet posted 2 hours ago, UN agencies in Ethiopia (OCHA, WFP) said the following:

    “Concerning. None of the 149 trucks in the convoy that reached Mekelle last week returned. Only 38 out of 466 trucks that entered Tigray since 12 July returned. We need trucks to deliver lifesaving assistance to people in Tigray”

    Predictably, TPLF is biting the hands that feed the Tigrayan people

    • Peace!

      Hashela,

      Not surprised at all given what it did in Hawzen to its own people for political consumption. Desperate times call for desperate measures, shame!

      Peace!

      • haileTG

        Hey Peace, don’t get too sad too quickly:-)

        Here is a news to calm the nerves:

        ““I can confirm that we have received no reports from our staff, the authorities in Ethiopia, or our commercial transport partners of any such misappropriation of trucks in our operations,” he (WFP head in Ethiopia) told AFP Fact Check.

        Across the Tigray region, four million people — 70 percent of the population — have high levels of acute food insecurity and need emergency assistance, according to the WFP.”

        • Dongolo

          Selam haileTG. Wrong! The quote which comes from a WFP spokesperson in Nairobi (not the WFP Head in Ethiopia) is only responding to a particular facebook photo & passage in connection with alleged ‘misappropriation’ of trucks. The big issue that many are talking about these days is the fact very few trucks which have entered Tigray with relief cargo have returned and remain unaccounted for.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            Can we have those links (tmw or just a way to find it) from those organizations expressing concern (I have seen the one from Ethio propoganda post though).

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. Borkena just released an article ‘Ethiopia : UN-TPLF scandal like another layer of tacit support surfaced’.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            The UN is saying the trucks didn’t return. It is not saying that they were taken away by any party. Don’t you think that would have been a headline news if hundreds trucks were seized??

          • Haile S.

            Selam MoKsi, Dongi, Abi, et all,

            MoKsi you said “The UN is saying the trucks didn’t return. It is not saying that they were taken away ”

            You are right! right right! I heard that the trucks by themselves revolted saying this is their only chance of visiting the ‘Abuna Yemata Guh monolithic church’. So they are not going back before climbing the escarpment one by one and enter the chapel at the top in the air: https://youtu.be/IJCy64adY3Y

          • haileTG

            Thanks Moxi!

            What do you think the accidental fall rates could be? For tourists, I think it needs to be made safer because if of them fall, insurance can kill off the whole business. Another interesting part is the interior art work, including the ceiling. I hope that technique was in Tigray before Michael Angelo works.

            Don’t worry about the trucks, the tor serawit and Afar militia are making it impossible for the Tigrayan drivers, including physically assaulting them if Tigrigna is spoken. Why an Amharic speaker have a problem with Tigrigna is beyond me. Amharic is a different permutations and combinations of the same Geez letters! 🙂

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            You are making it a language issue. What language the trucks speak? Tigrinya?
            You are becoming a great spin doctor. ነገሮችን በሃሰት ከማሽከርከር ተሽከርካሪዎቹን በአስቸኳይ መልሱ::

          • haileTG

            Haha Abichu

            Do you think Amhara truckers and their trucks would deliver the aid to Tigray? And the Tigrayans own the trucks (the few that made it back from Djibouti last year when others were looted). The good news is once the UN contract them the thieving EDF and ENDF can’t steal them. But, still Tigrayans are faced with huge ethnic attacks as the wider conflict is now strictly speaking against the Tigray people who speak Tigrigna. You heard Bacha Debele on his interview, how offensive he found it that “ye mekelakeya qwanqwa Tigrigna nebere eko” as he put it. Tigrayans will not give away their trucks to fano, if you clear them out of the way, I will encourage all Tigrayan truckers to drive again.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            The General is absolutely right!!!!!!
            የመከላከያ መኮንኖች 96% ትግሬዎች ነበሩ::
            ስዬ አብረሃ የእስር ቤቱ ቋንቋ ኦሮምኛ ነበር እንዳለው ነው:: አብዛኛው እስረኛ ኦሮሞ ስለነበር ነው:: መቼም ስዬ አብረሃ ይሳሳታል ብለህ አታምንም::
            የእስር ቤቶች ቋንቋ ትግርኛ መሆን ይኖርበታል:: ጁንታውን በሃሳብም ሆነ በገንዘብ ወይም በጉልበት የረዳ እድሜ ልክ መታሰር ይገባዋል::

          • Haile S.

            MoKsi,

            One cannot hate death if longing for heaven (መንግስተ ሰማይ ደሊኽን፡ ሞት ፈሪህኽን!). No, personally I don’t agree for any facilitation. It should be kept as is, the traditional way. I don’t know what the Saint Fanti says, though. Having said that, I won’t try to climb it as I don’t want to go to heaven. I prefer the warmer place, roasting Ribs and Spicy Merguez.

          • Peace!

            Hailuwa,

            እዋይ እዋይ ብሰንኪ ህውሓት እዛ The Great ናብ Contrarian ትዝንብል እላ:)

            በጃኻ ተድልየና ኢኻ ኣብ መኸተ ኣንጻር ህግደፍ

            Peace!

          • haileTG

            Haha Peace,

            I am trying to upgrade it to the greatest:-) Greats can never be found in service of less great causes. Truth is the acid test:-)

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            ታላቁና አንጋፋው የህወሓት ቃል አቀባይ ጀነራል ኃይላት እንደገለፁት ከባድ መኪናዎቹ የማይመለሱት አፋርኛና አማርኛ ቋንዎች መረዳት ስለማይችሉ ነው::

          • Dongolo

            Selam Haile S. On the side, UN WFP has handled overland delivery of food to Tigray in a miserable manner. WFP should have made use of an external (i.e. Jordanian) fleet (as they have done in other countries es) for convoy movements given the extremely sensitive political situation and obvious difficulty in using Ethiopian owned trucks driven by Ethiopians. On top of that to recall that WFP’s first Emergency Coordinator assigned to Mekelle was a few months ago implicated in the smuggling in of Satcom phones for the TPLF and WFP’s recently assigned Envoy for Tigray is married to a Tigrayan who has close TPLF connections.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Dongolo

            The trucks are apparently “commissioned” non-WFP, the reason appears to be the racial harassment of the Tigrayan drivers at checkpoints.

            “TPLF spokesman Getachew Reda cited obstacles drivers faced while entering Tigray from neighbouring Afar region, adding they have “nothing to do” with Tigrayan officials.

            GR said “Drivers of trucks that UN has commissioned complain about fuel availability, (security) concerns, harassment at checkpoints, being stranded at Afar for months, etc,” he said on Twitter.

            A humanitarian official in Tigray, speaking on condition of anonymity, said many truck drivers were Tigrayan and had faced ethnically-motivated harassment at checkpoints while heading into the region.”

            https://www.channelstv.com/2021/09/17/hundreds-of-aid-trucks-not-returned-from-tigray-un/

            It was another propaganda and false flag by the Ethiopian side to make accusations about non-WFP trucks as if TPLF is stealing WFP-Trucks.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ኧረ አንዳንዴም እዘንልን:: እንዳንተ ታላቅ ለመባል ባይበቁም እንዳቅሚቲ ማንበብ መፃፍና ማገናዘብ የሚችሉ ብዙ የአዋተ ቤተሰቦች ስላሉ ትዝብት ላይ እንዳትወድቅብኝ በጭንቀት ልሞትብህ ነው:: ድምፃቸውን አጥፍተው ታላቅነትዎን ይታዘቡታል::

    • Haile S.

      Selam Hashela,

      Classic Aesop’s fable! The old and weak to hunt Lion pretending to be sick called all animals to visit him and none came back except the foxy fox who chose not to enter the cave in the first place.

      • Hashela

        Selam Haile S.

        The interesting thing is that it took the UN agencies two month to tell the world about the truck hostage taking in a meek Tweet statement and they failed to clearly call the culprit by its name. These agencies and the old hyena (lion is too much of an honor) are a partner in crime.

      • Abi

        ሊቀመኳስ
        ምነዋ አንበሳን እንዲህ አድርገው አዋረዱት አንቱዬ!

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም ሰላም ኣቢዬ፡
          ለታላቁ የኢትዮጵያ ሕዝብ ብዬ!

          እንዳው ይህን የሚያክል ሕዝብ፡ ለ27 ዓመት
          በጅብ ይስተዳደር ነበር ነውር ነው ማለት

          ኣይደል እንዴ በጣም ኣሳፋሪ
          እንኳንስ ሊባል ሲሰማም ኣስነዋሪ

          እንበለው የዞረበት ያረጀ ኣንበሳ
          ወዳጁ ወንድሙ ሚነክስ እያገሳ

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            ይህ ቡሃቃ ገልባጭ ለከስካሳ ውሻ
            ሊጥ ሰርቆ አዳሪ እድፋም ቆሻሻ
            መቀበሪያው ደርሷል ከመጣበት ዋሻ

          • Peace ToAll

            Selam Abi,
            ምነው ገይታው? ነፍስ ደራሹን HEGDEF soldiers እንደዚህ አብጠለጠልካቸው? ቡሃቃ ሰራቂና ገልባጭ ፡በሊጥ፡ሰራቂ የታወቀው የኢሳያሰ ወታደሮች ናችው፡፡ Without HEGDEF soldiers, Amhara soldiers are good for nothing. Elite Ankoberites are known to bark but not bite.

          • Abi

            Hello Peace ToAll
            ባንኩንና ታንኩን ለድንጋይ ወርዋሪ የአማራ ፋኖ አስረክባችሁ ሊጥና አብሲት ለመስረቅ በቅታችሗል:: ድሮም መተዳደሪያችሁና አቻ የማይገኝላችሁ ሙያ ልመናና ስርቆት ነው:: የትግራይ እናት ከሂሳብ ማወራረድ ዘመቻ የተራረፉ ልጆቿን አግተልትላ ልመና መውጫዋ ቀን ተቃርቧል::

            https://youtu.be/w1K-5fr6Zok

            የኤርትራ ወታደር አብሲት በሚጠጣ ወራዳ አፍ አይጠራም::

          • Peace ToAll

            Selam Abi,
            Apocalypse Ethiopia, አቢ፡ ምላሱ፤ ሃተላ፤ ድንጋይ፡ ትራሱ፣ Please see the area your Pastor Abi & the despotic leader of Eritrea are controlling outside Finfine. TDF they do not brag or lie but they provide verification to their achievements. OLF is surrounding Finfine, the demise of the genociders is approaching and as usual you are going to change the Ankoberites propaganda gear. I am afraid history is repeating itself.

            Apocalypse Ethiopia
            Military and Foreign Affairs Network
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPmU9eJ0lW0

          • haileTG

            Haha Moxie,
            Anta tekal!

  • Brhan

    Attacks on Eritrean refugees in Tigray ‘clear war crimes’: HRW

    Eritrean soldiers and Ethiopian rebel fighters raped and killed refugees in Ethiopia’s northern Tigray region, Human Rights Watch says.

    Human Rights Watch’s report on Thursday contained detailed attacks around two camps in Tigray, where local forces have battled the Ethiopian government and their Eritrean allies since November in a conflict that has rocked the Horn of Africa region.
    Source Aljazeera 16 September 2021

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista!

    What if…

    – TPLF was to lock up people like Siye Abraha, Gebru Asrat…and many other Tigrayan Journalists and Civil Servants, religious followers and leaders…indefinitely

    – TPLF was to lock the Tigrayan youth on indefinite military service on meager subsistence for life

    – TPLF was to shut down the only accredited university in Tigray rather than the new several such universities they’ve opened

    – TPLF was to ban construction ventures and all other private enterprises and investments in Tigray

    – TPLF was to curtail the free movement of Tigrayany by imposing movement permits

    – TPLF was to ban movement of goods and commodities from Humera to Mekelle just as Asmara to Tesseney

    – TPLF to ban all private press in Tigray and impose strict control on freedom of expression

    – TPLF was to drive out hundreds of thousands of Tigrayans and the youth into refugee shelters outside of Tigray and request those holding them to transfer them further away from Tigray border areas

    – TPLF would shoot to kill Tigrayans attempting to flee Tigray

    – TPLF was to make Tigray the hub of regional terror and other armed actors

    – TPLF was have so horrible diplomacy that Tigray is a permanent sanctions basket case

    – TPLF was to disband Tigray regional parliament and chase away, kill or jail the parliamentarians

    – TPLF was to run an administration without any transition plan

    – TPLF was to continually involve Tigray in wars that are not of its concern

    – TPLF was to fill Tigray with over 350 incommunicado detention centers

    – TPLF would lock up the Pope of the Orthodox church causing the church to be kicked out from its family of sister churches and World Orthodox Churches

    – TPLF would charge mothers for children who did not report to military service

    – TPLF would play the people of Tigray along religion and region through paid agents who troll social media

    – TPLF would refuse the right of burial in Tigray to people who spent their lives fighting to free Tigray

    – TPLF would have Tigray be known as the North Korea of Africa

    Many what ifs, especially when the TPLF is considered as against the interest of the people of Tigray by sympathizers of a regime that is far worse than the above.

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      አይዞህ የተመኘኸው መድረሱ አይቀርም::
      ምን ያስቸኩልሃል?
      “እንደተመኘሗት አገኘሗት” መዝፈንህ አይቀርም::

    • Ismail AA

      Selam haile TG,

      I think you know very well what happens when a rational person or agent gets robbed of his/her objective reasoning faculty. When this happens, subjectivity overshadows rationality. This what despots and oppressor do first. They invest time and resources to instill emotion and feeling attitudes. At some stage, instead of using reason to respond to acts and deeds that can impact individual and group life, those people look at things from emotional perspective. They cannot not consider a priori situations and conditions that may led to good or bad outcomes. Their mental set up gets projected to consequential fates before rationally weighing causes and reasons that generate an outcome.

      Actually, this explains the point you stated a day or two back in relation to the current condition of the Eritrean opposition. Thus, those “what ifs” you have listed do not fall on the rational side of the minds of regime supporters. Their emotions, tastes and feelings render them myopic to concrete and actual things the regime and its leader cause. Their world gets reduced to preservation of the state of affairs that fits their emotions and fears. They want get exist in the present, which past deeds and acts of the system had established. They become persistently skeptical and fearful of the future. I think it is not so hard to observer this if one would reflect on the psycho-social set up of our culture. Do not we prefer the devil we known than the angle we do not know. This states precisely why people focus on the consequences before engaging in causes.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Ismail,

        That is precisely what we are faced with. I recently came across an experiment by a certain George Sutton (1978). The man wore glasses that flip everything upside
        down for eight days. In day three, his brain adjusted and started to see things the correct way up even if he was wearing these glasses. In day eight, he took off the glasses for the first time, and he started to see everything in upside down. This continued for about three hours until his brain re adjusted to correct side up vision.

        Our brain, therefore, tends to make normal out of the not so normal to help the survival of the body in its environment. The above experiment has been done many times after.

        The moral is that we should not willingly allow wrong doings as normal because we will never get past it as our mind would adjust to it, and make it appear to be our normal state to us. That is what is happening to the supporters and sympathizers of the regime. Their minds have adjusted to seeing the abuses of Eritreans by the regime as a normal issue that can wait.

        Thanks

        • Ismail AA

          Selam haile TG,

          Actually, I would say for the zealous their thinking transcends the normal. They believe they share ownership of the regime, which make them duty-bound to support whatever መንግስትና (read: መራሒና) says or does as guarantee to prevent the unknown “መልኣኽ”. Then, when the inevitable happens, it is fate had decided attitude, and the way out becomes: “ ዝበረቐ ጸሓይና ዝነገሰ ንጉስና. Then, life goes on. The past goes away with its burden. There would not be any why(s) and how(s) about the cost – lives and resources. It is in the culture; one has to live in a present in which one does not have as say or role in its making. Perhaps, Eritreans have come a whole circle to delve in to the real problems stifling their present and dimming the the way to their future.

        • Dongolo

          Selam haileTG. The first psychology lab in the U.S. was at John Hopkins in 1883 (not at Cal Berkeley) and was headed by G. Stanley Hall and the phenomenon that you described is something that is these days dealt with by Neuro Ophthalmologists. We find similar occupancies with patients that have sustained macula-off retinal detachments wherein reattachment is completed within one week following. Macula-off retinal detachments can take more that a year to fully recover during which time the brain, against previous vision recognition patterns, is making adjustments to compensate for damaged/distorted retinal vision.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            So, are we right when we say then the regime supporters are living in an alternate reality?

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. Yes for those living inside Eritrea but less so for those in the diaspora. The PIA/PFDJ regime has systemically destroyed trust between individuals by rendering everyone a potential informer for the state (de ja vu Mengie) PIA has suppressed civil society, stifling any prospect of spontaneous collective action by individuals in defence of their collective interests, however mundane and innocuous. PIA has subverted accepted Eritrean ethical and moral codes and in the process normalized moral transgressions and criminality in whole areas of social life by permitting violence against ‘enemies of the State’. The destruction of trust between individuals (to include diaspora Eritrean opposition) and the suppression of civil society in Eritrea has led to a wider suppression of cooperative and collaborative behaviour and the suppression of altruistic behaviour towards others. The Eritrean opposition needs to desperately reboot and think out of the box in terms of how it moves forward. In view and with consideration of the above, pandering to TPLF interests on an Eritrean opposition website is totally counterproductive/unproductive for a multitude of reasons; so please stop it.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            Yes, I agree with what you said about the PFDJ. But “pandering to TPLF interests” can’t be considered the critical reason holding the opposition back. Even if that is very subjective and means different things to different people. Yes, there are those with unwise and unpatriotic belief like Agazian and the likes, but Eritrean opposition problem is fundamentally to do with power, sadly. Look all our opposition politicians, it is embarrassing to say the least. This is not new, it has been going on for over 20 years. If I elect Dongolo in one leadership position, 5 others who don’t approve that would breakaway and form another opposition. If pandering to TPLF was our main problem, then that is simple problem and we can sleep soundly. So, I am saying that if we are looking into how to take Eritrean opposition movement forward, prepare for huge culture change. GiE is supposed to be the only reasonable proposal on the table, but all the feet dragging is consistent with that behavior.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear HaileTG,

      You are correct there is no comparison the abuse the Eritrean people have gone through PFDJ compared to TPLF.

      The difference I see with your reason is, if we look at the people of Tigray vs Eritrea after PFDJ and TPLF. What’s the faith of the people going to be?

      I believe Eritreans will pick up what’s left and build their future, untied with purpose of national pride and unity. They will also be able relatively in peace with all their neighbours including with the people of Tigray, Amhara, Afar, Djibouti, Somalia, Sudan and the Middle East.

      TPLF on the other hand, is leaving a lasting legacy of hate and animosity fir the people with all their neighbours such as Eritrea, Amhara and Afar and the rest of Ethiopians as well as far neighbours such as Somalia.

      That’s is the big burden the people will have to deal with sometime in he future.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Berhe,

        If Eritreans can be made to fight for Amhara land interest and their dislike/distrust of TPLF would cause many Eritreans to support it, then I wouldn’t believe on some permanent future enmity for Tigrayans as you fear. All it takes is a common enemy for Tigray and Amhara sometimes in the future and they’ll be in bed with eachother without much ado.

        The future of any people in our region don’t follow past relationships. But leaders talk up fear and animosity by digging into the past to find justification for their abuse. At least, Tigrayans would be able to say they had a part in shaping their future, good or worse. Eritreans have no part in what the future holds. We are at the mercy of deranged dictator, criminal gangs leading EDF and some diaspora agitators of war and mayhem. I say at the mercy, because they are holding power that is not accountable to the people and are only supported by the emotional or cynical among us. What future can we talk about under suchlike conditions? If the current way of Tigrayans and the current way of Eritreans is any indicator of their respective future, then we need luck! A lot of it:)

        • Berhe Y

          Hi HaileTG,

          You are right when the political situations change ordinary people will be able to move with their lives.

          My comments was with regards to the future political situation of Tigray and their people.

          1) Are they to remain Ethiopians
          2) Are they to become independent republic

          Off course the choice is for the oeople of Tigray but in either scenario, TPLF created a political situation that’s is very hard to overcome and it will be in constant conflict with the neighbours, specially with Eritrea and Amhara region in Ethiopia, unless it’s settled amicably. And in both cases, it’s the TPLF that’s claiming territories, not the other way around, which the people of Tigray will inherit for foreseeable future.

          • sara

            selamat ato berhe,
            i was to add a complimentary note/ comment to what you wrote on the last paragraph but schosse to stop lest i offend some of the forumers.
            one thing , i want to add is, now and then i read “gov, sympathizers ,supporters ” and other names etc. as far i know and understand i do not see or read any one who supports the gov, in this forum. then
            why is this repeatedly stated by some. As far as i can tell there is no
            gov supporter here except if we want to create our own to make us feel good we are really doing some thing.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Sara and many thanks for your comment for which I fully agree with.

          • Peace!

            Hi sara,

            Perhaps that’s the only way double standard and hypocrisy can be justified in this forum.

            Peace!

          • Hashela

            Hi Sara

            Some people live in a black-and-white world. No nuance. In their view, everyone who does not want to see the destruction of our land as a sovereign state and everyone who opposes the degradation of Eritrea to a playground of TPLF is pro PFDJ.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            The trouble is that the region or even most of Africa don’t have leadership that reflects the people’s grievance. Their regime’s friends are friends and their regime’s foe are enemies. Incidentally, if it was left to people, they know how to overcome conflicts and misunderstandings. Case in point, we have no border issue with Tigray, as it is already delineated. All that is needed is a little adjustment based on understanding between local people. IA however, would harp on woyane and we seem to have people who are mentally impacted by that on our side. It will blow away. Same with Amhara.

            The main outcome for Tigray will be either stronger federalism or independent republic. Yes, TPLF would do well to clarify its position.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam HaileTG,

            The case with Eritrea:

            If TPLF or future government used the AU rules and Colonial boundaries as a basis, it is for Eritrea but and I can’t say the same on TPLF / Tigray elite side (it’s mixed). By this I don’t mean, any minor readjustments are not necessary so long as the people affected in the boarder agree. I think it can easily resolved and any thing else can be sorted out legally. But what we continue to hear from some elements (call them fringe or otherwise) that sooner or later want to somehow create something beyond what’s understood today (like Axum history, Alula or Yohannes etc) the animosity will continue.

            Note: I take MZ interview as a basis for what the basis of the relationship with Eritrea. I am paraphrasing he said “We see Tigray first and Ethiopia second. We need Eritrea because we need access [to sea]. This changed when MZ, after the war shifting the dependency [even it was a a higher cost to Ethiopia but it benefits Eritrea more] so decided to cutoff completely, using “no war no peace”.

            I think this is huge burden for the people of Tigray if this is not sorted out by TPLF and bring it to peaceful conclusion.

            The case of Amhara:
            Tigray incorporating land and creating a boarder with Sudan has a series implication fir the future of the people. This conflict with Amhara if it’s not resolved it will be a burden for the people. This is even more critical if the access issue with Eritrea is not resolved, not having access to Sudan will also be a necessity they can’t live without.

            So overall, I don’t see the problem of the people of Tigray will be limited to those political forces in power.

            The federalism:
            These whole strong ethnic based federalism is a disaster to happen and will continue to happen. It should be a federalism that’s known like the world knows, which is tried and true. Having a military which are as large as the federal government defeated the whole reason of having a federal government. In the long term (to the benefit of the people of Tigray) I think they should get away with ethnic federalism, if they are to stay in union with Ethiopia. It has one purpose and one purpose only, to benefit the TPLF coalition within EPRDF to have the same number of votes (in their executive council) where they can’t have in true majority based federal system because lack of population and dominate the power in Ethiopia. The people of Tigray would have been served better if they are Ethiopians first and Tigray second. That way, who ever they are where ever they reside, they would not depend on their ethnicity to advance their cause. This I think is also another burden the people of Tigray inherited from TPLF.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            The way I understand the situation with Eritrea is that the border can no longer be discussed as a main topic. It has been historically determined and that would stand for generations to come. The Apri 13th, 2002 decision has incorporated all previous demarcations and it is final. So, it is next to impossible to have a new demarcation except minor adjustments. The copy of the boundary is officially resident in the UN cartography libraries and UNSC has accepted and approved it as the disposing of the duties of EEBC. No colonial or other historic boundaries can be discussed now, that chapter is legally closed.

            On the Eritreans who are saying that because they share common history with Tigray and therefore Tigray issues are their issues, that is highly mistaken and foolish. Eritrea is more than one ethnic group, becoming Eritrean involves committing to Eritrea as it is defined ethnically, linguistically and other cultural and religious attributes. Because I am Tigrigna, I can’t say I have any claim in the history or future of the people of Tigray. All their history is theirs, it doesn’t involve me in any shape or form. Being Eritrean, automatically makes those foreign. So, those fringes would do well to not waste time on something that can’t be sold to the wider Eritrean or Tigrayan populace.

            The Amhara land encroachment assertion you made is interesting. How did you determine the western Tigray is Amhara? For sure it is disputed but it is a federal arrangement that re-drawn the map of the ethnicities. And, as such over 90% of people of that region identify as Tigrayans, so it went to Tigray. The same happened in eastern Tigray that went to Afar because over 90% of the area was inhabited by Afari. There was not even Amhara region until the federal map re-drew the internal boundaries. So, what do you mean encroachment?

            In terms of federalism, that is hanging on the balance right now. Unlikely, Ethiopia would go back to unitary government, but not sure if federalism can be salvaged too.

            With the removal of PFDJ in Eritrea, I am sure the current Tigray centered politics will dissipate, and with the borders finalized, I see no reason why Eritrea can’t work positively with Tigral to advance mutual interests. There can’t be any other strategic problems that would prevent good ties with all our neighbors including Tigray.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            First thank you. If I err on my understanding of the conflict between Amhara and Tigray, because of the issues of the land, it’s because I don’t understand fully. What I base my argument was, Tigray to have a boarder with Sudan is an absolute necessity if the boarder with Eritrea is not resolved.

            My point of argument is the burden the people of Tigray to deal with this kinds of conflict they inherited by TPLF, not saying they are the only reason, but the whole setup with ethnic federalism is the main reason for this.

            If what you say is the believe and the actions of the Tigray people and that of any government going forward, I don’t think there is a problem from Eritrea side. This point that you spelled it clearly, has never been articulated by any TPLF official. If for example, the narration from PFDJ Abiy wants to demarcate the boarder and accepted the ruling but Weyane is refusing . Not that IA would want to see it demarcated but it would have squarely put the blame on him. I never heard Debrestion or others said such clear terms. It’s always, with a twist:

            1) ሓው ህዝቢ ኤርትራ – we already know
            2) ናይ ኤርትራልዕላውነት ንአምን – the whole world recognizes it
            3) ትግራይ ካልአይ ሀገርኩም እዩ – Sure, for exactly what reason

            All nice but amount to nothing concrete to build confidence. I would have liked to see:

            ካቢነ መንግስቲ ትግራይ ነዚ ብፕረሲደንት ኤርትርን ጠቅላይ ሚኒስተር ኢትዮጵያ ዝተገብረ ውዕል ብዝቀልጠፈ ቦርደር ክሕንጸጽን ክሳለጥን ይጽውዕ:: መንግስቲ ክልል ትግራይ አድላዪ ዘበለ ኩሉ ምትሕብባር ክገብር ምኻኑ ይምሕጾ:: ገለ ገለ ዘየረዳድኡ ነገራት ምስ ዝርከቡ: ምስ ዓበይቲ ዓድን መራሕቲ ሀይማኖትን ካብ ክልቲኡ ወገን ተዛትዮም ብድልየትን ብተጻዋርነትን ክፍትሕዎ አጥቢቅና ንምሕጸን::

            Idea is this may not go anywhere because of IA, but it closes and corners him further.

          • Hashela

            Hi Berha

            “ገለ ገለ ዘየረዳድኡ ነገራት ምስ ዝርከቡ: ምስ ዓበይቲ ዓድን መራሕቲ ሀይማኖትን ካብ ክልቲኡ ወገን ተዛትዮም ብድልየትን ብተጻዋርነትን ክፍትሕዎ አጥቢቅና ንምሕጸን:”

            This is exactly what TPLF has been using as a pretext to derail the physical demarcation.
            Boarder between two sovereign states, in this case Eritrea and Ethiopia, is and must be demarcated by the concerned states with the assistance of the UN cartography agency not by private citizens.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            That’s true but I think that would come a long way if there is true and real issues and concerns. I honestly don’t see how this can hurt Eritrea so long as it’s done with good intentions.

            I am not agreeing, accept in principle, but accept with dialogue etc., to reopen the file (if it’s how I understand it) but when putting the pillars on the ground.

            Let me ask you, since you have better understanding of the ruling and the map, in your opinion, are there any villages (I heard Tsorena or other villages) that were believed to be Eritrean awarded to them?

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            Knowing Tigrayan elites’s manipulative and deceptive nature, we can not expect “good intentions” from them. I believe Eritrea is better advised to strictly follow the EEBC decision.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam ustaz Hashela,

            Once, I heard Prof. Berekhet Habtesellasse saying that an omission the commission he led made was not including in the draft constitution mechanisms of its enforcement. He meant the issue was left open which Isayas later took advantage of.

            By the same token, the EEBC did not (as far as I can recall) include in the ruling any mechanism on the physical implementation of its ruling. What it did was deliberating on the data and information which the colonial treaties and protocols provided as argued by lawyers of the disputing parties: Eritrea and Ethiopia.
            I think the physical demarcation part was left to the discretion of the governments of the two countries. This is quite understandable because the judges were not obliged to see beyond the virtual points on lines on the maps. They were concerned with knowing what exactly was/were on the grounds through where those lines ought to pass. Good will and good offices were assumed to take care of the pending matters with the help of the people (villagers and peasants on both sides) and place the demarcation pillars.

            Now, the point of concern should be that if one of the sides would be so rigid and stick to the letter and spirit of the EEBC, it would mean there would not be any peaceful way out. The matter would simply go on causing flare ups from time to time. That is why many border issues involving countries remain unresolved have been becoming sources of friction. Since we know why the despot in our country has been unwilling to demarcate the border in one way or the other, it is imperative for us Eritreans to see the issue settled because I think we need peace and stability more than any country in the region. Egotistic nationalistic jingoism the regime has been feeding our people has been incurring incredible losses in human life and resources. And, all just to satiate the whims and exaggerated ambition of an out-of-control dictator.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. I am simply dismayed when you say ‘Now, the point of concern should be that if one of the sides would be so rigid and stick to the letter and spirit of the EEBC, it would mean there would not be any peaceful way out.’ Ethiopia through PMAA, has already unconditionally accepted the final & binding EEBC decision and had earlier ordered a withdraw from Badme; neither Tigray nor the TPLF are now in a position to represent Ethiopia on a matter that is no longer open to legal contest and has de facto been rendered a moot issue.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,

            You have reduced the case to ” a moot issue”. And that is not through a deliberated on legal process, but as per a priori unforeseen force of events as you have indicated, the offer of Dr. Abij’s Ahmed as a case in point. This is precisely what I had in mind when I scribbled the lines that ” dismayed” you. Of course, I can understand the political argument you wanted to put forward. But I think, you will agree with me that internationally arbitrated disputes and conflicts, whose status get endorsement under relevant legal instruments do not get discharged of by force of a posteriori events established state of affairs in the way you have indicated. Lack of political will reinforced by diplomatic and military inability on the part of one the parties may render the matter moot. But that cannot become long lasting, and will remain cold or hot flashpoint that will continue to lives and resources which our people have been suffering from – aside from the cynical political bargaining ploy the despot in our land has been using the matter for his own open and hidden ends. Thus, “ mootness” of the matter, if at all that is the case, does not make the border conflict a done case. If we were, as Eritreans, to be sober and make a hard look at where the interests of our people lie, the short cut solution is getting rid of the regime and the man at its helm.

            To further explain the point, moreover, if we were to put emotion (of whatever nature) aside, and look at the matter from through the prism of past, present and future concerns as devastatingly impacted citizens, we will all agree on who was responsible for the root cause of the dispute that had galvanized to destructive war, as well who has been impeding diplomatic solution hiding behind omission the EECC made, as I have indicated earlier. Just to mention a couple of things: Did not Isayas tell us that, in this long conflict, we did not lose anything, despite having had told us 19000 young souls died? Did not he say, so callously, that the issue of the border is no more important after the offer of PM AA, as if he had not been using the issue to take damaging measures, including discarding a constitution whose writing he had authorized? Thus, sir, let us not be swayed by political expediencies, and try to do the right thing that can shorten the duration of the suffering of our people.

            The priority, if we were to be sober and objective is not the border issue. The priority is how to save the kids approaching the ominous military conscription age.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. The matter is simple: All the TPLF had to do was respect the EEBC’s final and binding decision for which it refused to do. Negotiation of implementation was never mandatory but rather at the discretion of the awarded party (Eritrea n the case of Badme). Post EEBC rendering its final and binding decision, the TPLF endlessly played games with what PIA said, didn’t say, indicating things would change when PIA would be out of power, etc.; simply as a coy excuse to coverup their noncompliance with EEBC’s decision. And no, we don’t all agree on the root cause of the dispute.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,

            Are you really disputing, that other things you and I know aside, the trigger point of the devastating border was Badme? Do you deny that Ato Isayas at the head of his organization allowed the TPLF to take control of Badme in a kind of quid pro quo military expediency for its help against the ELF? If in all conscious you are doing so just because you think you want to be loyal to the regime and its posture, you would be raisin issue in with quite recent history, which some of its makers are still alive, and perhaps some of them may read what you and I are exchanging. After all, said and done, and to state a non-disputable legal matter, do you dare to falsify the verdict of the relevant agency that had ruled that in fact the side that started the shooting was the Eritrean side. Perhaps, and incidentally, none among us who visit this forum would be more competent to have a say on this issue other our Saleh Younis.

            You are right in stating that post commission ruling negotiation and consultation was left, as I had indicated earlier, to the discretion of the disputants. However, I do not think this matter was exclusive to one party only. Had it happened, it would have engaged (by the nature of the case) the Ethiopian side, too.

            Furthermore, the contention that the EPRDF government (not the TPLF per se at the time) should have accepted the ruling prima facie is a fact that no Eritrean would dispute. But, the regime in our land, too, did not stick to the legal form of the matter. The man at the helm was happy to use as reason to formulate a deceptive platform that hoodwinked the people to believe that the TPLF was out to topple the regime, and that in conspiracy with foreign powers and their intelligence agencies such the CIA. We know the first victim of this machination was the late Haile Weldetensae (Durue). Please, mark my words here: I am not arguing about innocence of the TPLF or the EPRDF it had led. I am simply stating the state of affairs on the issue you and I are exchanging views on.

            You agree with me that subsequent to the revelations Ato Isayas made when he thought that, with the coming of Dr. Abij Ahmed and mutual need thereby, time had arrived for him, too, to divulge, and without any consideration for the emotion of the families who had lost their loved ones, that for him the border issue had become trivial; and the success or failure of Dr. Abij and his allies was more important.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. When I say that we do not all agree on the root cause of the conflict, I am neither referring to occurrences/findings of May 6, 1998 nor what may have been discussed in days of ELF antiquity. Rather, I am referring to meetings and subsequent understandings between Eritrea and Ethiopia, notably those taking place during1996 and 1997, which if upheld & respected by the TPLF, would have averted any later armed conflict.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,

            I would not consider events that took place in the 1970s and 80s “antiquities”. Anyway, it is fine you specified you views to the political jockeyings the sides were doing against one another. But, loyalty to one’s own aside, do you consider objectivei morality would condone it to blame one side only and absolve the other in such a situation? Both sides had negative roles as seen from information that came to the surface in retrospect.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. i have stated several times before that history will hold both MZ and PIA negatively accountable for a war that should have and could have been avoided; both leaders unfortunately miserably failed their people.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,
            That is a balanced judgement. I agree; and thanks for engaging.

          • Hashela

            Berhe

            Yes, there many places that are Eritrean that are awarded to Ethiopia. For example, several villages south east and west of Tsorona and Irob. Eritrea did not get Ethiopian territories. So when it comes to territorial exchanges, you are exchanging Eritrean territories with Eritrean territories. If the Eritrean Government wants to prioritize the 11 village around Tsorona versus the villages in Irob aeras, it can be done. But this a decision that can not done the private citzens.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            I understand your point and I agree. I also understand your concern dealing with TPLF.

            As I tried to explain to HaileTG, TPLF is the only entity trying to claim lands from other territories (Eritrea and Amhara Kilil) abd with the last conflict with Afar kilil.

            And these people are the main neighbours of the people of Tigray, that they need to live with, they are leaving the people with the burden they have to deal with.

            I don’t think, the people of Tigray really want these lands or they can’t live without, as they had in the past.

            So one can make a claim that the people are better off because of TPLF, but I don’t know if they can’t leave in peace with their immediate neighbours.

            On the other hand, ELF, EPLF / PFDJ with all the problems internally as outlined by HaileTG, they are leaving Eritrea:

            1) Officially recognized member of Africa and the international community. Not a small task, ask, Taiwan, Somali Land, the Palestinian Authority, West Sahara, Tamil, Kurdish and others.

            2) Eritrea boarder recognized with Yemen, and Ethiopia (at least legally). A huge task and can get sorted out.

            3) Eritrean nationalism: Eritrea division based on religion, ethnicity, region are blurred and Eritrea nationalism have flourished. There is still a lot work to be done, but I believe, the unity of the Eritrean people is still very high. I think Eritrean first and what ever else become second for most people. Love and pride being Eritrean is still at its highest level.

            * 4) The fear from Ethiopia has always been real and continues to be real. However, the peace with Abiy has at least changed the opinion of many people in Ethiopia (specially Amhara and Oromo) population and most people from Tigray who were directly affected by the boarder closure. I think, it has created an atmosphere that is conductive for peaceful existence between the two countries.

            * I know this is not shared by many people, with fear that IA is conspiring to bring Eritrea to Ethiopia. That may be a valid concern but there is nothing that suggests it’s possible with the current national favour of Eritreans and the respect being shown by Ethiopians.

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            “And these people are the main neighbours of the people of Tigray,
            that they need to live with, they are leaving the people with the burden they have to deal with.
            I don’t think, the people of Tigray really want these lands or they can’t live without, as they had in the past.”

            This is true, I heard Tigrayan farmers and villagers living in the west side of the Belesa River and even PM MZ saying that the 11 villages (around Tsorona, east of the Belesa River) that were awarded to Ethiopia belongs to Eritrea.

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            “I know this is not shared by many people, with fear that IA is

            conspiring to bring Eritrea to Ethiopia. That may be a valid concern but there is nothing that suggests it’s possible with the current national favour of Eritreans and the respect being shown by Ethiopians.”

            After IA’s infamous public speech of ” we are the same”, I belonged to those who feared that IA is conspiring to compromise Eritrean interests and Eritrean nation security.

            I still believe that IA would do anything and promise everything if it serves to the demise of TPLF.

            Now, seeing the strength of the mighty Ethiopian army, I am relieved!!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela

            “ Now, seeing the strength of the mighty! Ethiopian army and Ethiopia’s preoccupation with itself, I am relieved!!”.

            Classic Hashela.

            You forgot seeing “The strength of the mighty the Eritrean army :).”

          • haileTG

            Thanks Berhe,

            Since we can’t share links today, could you please search up “Prime Minister Meles on Eritrea youth and Demcaraction” on youtube. It is a 12min video by Asmarino on his interview of MZ. You can go to 6min mark if you’re interested to only focus on this issue, and let us know your feedback.

            I may be wrong here, but we would be unlikely to find a single court to entertain Ethio-Eritrea boundary again. The terms of the decision do not allow any form of appeal. They are final and binding. The cartographic work has been done professionally with the best tools available, historical facts have been fully incorporated, a UN endorsed final boundary on delimitation and virtual demarcation is completed. So much so, the UN doesn’t recognize Ethio-Eritrea border as disputed on its list of disputed territories.

            It may come to pass that the issue will be finalized once the PFDJ regime is gone without so much ado. I can understand the strategic and economic significance of Western Tigray dispute to Tigray, but the few villages on the Eritrean side however, they are insignificant to both sides from such level of considerations. It sure is important to the concerned villages but nothing more.

            The political mileage of the border dispute is now exhausted for all parties concerned, including Eritrean opposition. I think time has claimed it and rendered it a small side issue. PFDJ can’t even continue to use it in any way because officially it has agreement from current Ethiopian govt.

            I do agree that your idea of clear action by Tigray would go a long way in reducing this tension in their benefit.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            “It may come to pass that the issue will be finalized once the PFDJ regime is gone without so much ado. I can understand the strategic and economic significance of Western Tigray dispute to Tigray, but the few villages on the Eritrean side however, they are insignificant to both sides from such level of considerations. It sure is important to the concerned villages but nothing more.”

            Wow! To whom?
            To the elite protestants?
            To the Catholics?
            To the Kerenites?
            Tell me to whom?
            One of the village is the Berhe Tsa’Eda’s, the Naqfa liberator. Some of the families from these villages are Martryrys. Their family wiped out to liberate Eritrea.
            Zoba Debub’s pre-independence HQ was in these villages mind you.
            Really haile TG?
            No wonder we are screwed up here. If I were one of the the son of these villages, I would be really pissed of. How is that we blame the NNNN while we have these depressing kind of thinking?
            Eritrea without Tsorena is not my Eritrea. If it is yours, you are not as Eritrean that I thought of.

          • haileTG

            Hey MM,

            I think you have misunderstood me! Yes, to the people from that area, as you kindly identified. The sentence I made was carefully constructed to mean “at the level of economic or strategic significance” and acknowledging the actual people from those locations too. Dear MM, we lost some Islands in Hanish Ziqur, there might have been dear Eritreans of red sea region who belonged to those locations too. Legal judgment has a severe limiting implications on both parties. It would be next to impossible to overturn the decision except by mutual good will. The UN will not accept a new court case, nor would anyone would touch the judgment for eternity unless a new situation involving redrawing of maps happens, like WWIII.

            So, as I stated, the areas are not significant economic or strategic places but important to those who come from those locations. Can you see that side where both parties are not to blame, it is beyond them, it has mighty legal judgment on it.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi haileTG
            Again, it is insignificant to you means nothing to those affected villagers.
            If 1000 Eritreans contribute like Berhe TsaEda, Ertitrea’s independence would be much shorter than 30 years.
            Rather than built Hawelti for him, you are telling him and his families and villagers, they are insignificant to Eritrea.
            How would you feel, if I say Keren, Segeneyti, Adi Tekelezan are are insignificant to Eritrea. Or even Asmara is. Those villages are as significant as those I mentioned, if not more.

          • haileTG

            Hi MM,

            You really got to help me see where you concluded that I think those areas are insignificant in the way you are approaching it. Yes, it is significant in that way. Strategic significance is the red sea coast and economic significance might be the ports, Gash Barka and other agricultural or mineral rich localities. That is how “strategic or economic” significance was used. I don’t believe the demarcation should be done without adjustment but if for example Ethiopia says it doesn’t want adjustment and wants it as per the exact dots and points on EEBC map, then we are stuck, nothing what so ever that we can do. So, please don’t see this as my negligence on the cultural and heritage significance to the people from that area but it is a tragic case that took the lives of hundreds of thousands and a painful chapter of our history. If it is for me, I would do exactly what you are advocating here. I hope this clarified it. It is a strictly narrow definition of “strategic or economic”. Asmara has gold deposits around it, but Keren I am not sure, mostly it produced writers and intellectuals:-)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi haile TG,
            You are really making it worse. So, those villages you are claiming are populated with idiots? Do you even know anything about them?
            Forget about the rest, think of the hero, Berhe TsaEda.
            Listen, to those villagers, Eritrea is nothing but a dust without their villages. They have died for their Eritrea and now you are telling them you guys are insignificant. What kind of Eritrean are you?
            They have probably contributed to Eritrea’s independence more than you or your village. Now, you are telling them they are insignificant? What will be your answer if they telly you that who are you to tell them that? What right do you have?

          • haileTG

            Hi MM,

            May be I am misunderstanding here. What would you suggest be done?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi haileTG,
            One thing I should say is that you can’t tell Eritreans that have been there for centuries, all of a sudden they are not Eritreans. They are not significant. This is terribly wrong to hear from an intellectual.
            The guy he is telling them that they are not Eritrean is not even an Eritrean himself, even though his one of 4 HQ was in their village.
            Please don’t fall into the hgdf trap. You are better than that.

          • haileTG

            Hi MM,

            I would never tell an Eritrean “insignificant”. The point made was about the disputed and later delineated “lands”. The message was that future Eritrean governments will find it easy to adjust: “It may come to pass that the issue will be finalized once the PFDJ regime is gone without so much ado”. This means that we will be able to make those adjustments much easier (without much a do) than the contested western Tigray. The latter is strategic significance to Tigray and economic significance to Amhara, so solution may not be easier. Solution meaning give and take, not give away. At no point did I mention people or giving away lands. It would be easier to see an elephant flying with a wing than to see me fall into PFDJ trap. It is easier for PFDJ to watch out from falling on my trap:-)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi haile TG,
            I hat to disagree with you but in this case, Yes you are saying that.
            I can understand the strategic and economic significance of Western Tigray dispute to Tigray, but the few villages on the Eritrean side however, they are insignificant to both sides from such level of considerations.
            You are clearly saying the hero Berhe TsaEda is insignificant. You need to own this remark.

          • haileTG

            Hi MM,

            I am glad we cleared that. Now consider the question of Assab as raised by mainstream Ethiopian actors who are being supported by EDF right now??

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            HI haileTG,
            My principle stands the same to every corner of Eritrea’n land. Every inch of Eritrean land is equally significant.

          • haileTG

            Hi MM,

            Within EEBC? You haven’t answered my question earlier. What is your stand on that?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi haileTG,
            Maybe I missed your question…please clarify.

          • haileTG

            Hi MM,

            What is your stand on EEBC final and binding decision?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi haileTG
            It depends…why? Let me give you my personal and reasonable [according to me] answer.
            1. To those who do not know the area, it is acceptable. Why do they care?
            2. To the people who know the are but Traitors, it is acceptable. They don’t care about any Eritrean villages.
            3. To the villagers, it is absolutely NOT acceptable. It is their land and who they are.
            4. To the people who were stationed there as Kifltata, for years, it is absolutely NOT acceptable. It is what they believe about every inch of Eritrean land and that’s they were fighting for.
            I belong to #4 and my stand is like that till death.

          • haileTG

            Hey MM,

            Understood. My stand is that we’ll use good will to make adjustments. Beyond that there is no legal grounds to challenge EEBC. It is where the official Eritrean sovereignty ends. An inch either way is considered invasion.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi haileTG,
            Ok. If you belive that, then you should have no complain the hgdf government is the legitimate one to lead Eritrea.
            If not, hgdf has no right to negotiate these agreements. What is your stand on this?

          • haileTG

            Selam MM,

            It is way more serious than that. It is a court judgment. We are bound by it.

    • Peace!

      Hailuwa,

      That’s brilliant hopefully PFDJ will be gone soon and we all can have espresso at the outdoor of Cinema Empero. To come to your point, what if TPLF weren’t evil? I mean if it..

      Didn’t execute university students over election fraud protest
      Didn’t commit ethnic cleansing in Somali region
      Didn’t force internal displacements for land expansion
      Didn’t execute thousands peaceful protestors
      Didn’t loot the country it swear to serve
      Didn’t terrorize its Tigrayan opposition groups Arena and others
      Didn’t promote ethnic division for its divide and rule
      Didn’t dismantle Eritrean Opposition camp
      Didn’t exploit Eritrean refugees for funds
      .
      .
      .

      I am sure it would be in a different situation now.

      Peace!

      • haileTG

        Come on Peace!

        Don’t minimize our suffering. Anyhow, think TPLF could do any different to overcome generational Tigrie Geday mentality in many?? Ask Guad Abi:)

        • Peace!

          Hailuwa,

          Ha Ha not at all. It is obvious minimizing/washing TPLF crimes is not helping us bring our suffering to an end rather keeps dividing us more than ever. Could we try a firm principle? “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

          Peace!

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Selam Peace!,

            Well said! 👏🏽

            You neutralised haile”TG” swiftly. Their TPLF propaganda has halted the oppositions momentum significantly, but hopefully not indefinitely.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም መጽሓፍ ጀግንነት፡

            እንታይ ድኣ እዛ ሓዳሽ Avatar ኣረነ (snail, slug) ኣምሲልካያ! ኤርትራውያን ብፖሊቲካ ለመም ስለንብል ድዩ?

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile S.

            It seems that you are spending too much time in your yard hunting slugs!!

          • haileTG

            Selamat Peace,

            No doubt that injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere! Especially, the long forgotten injustice of Eritreans:-)

            Do you know why traditional Eritrean mothers are awesome? They hold the family together by accepting the excess of their husbands; in their defeat, they see victory for everyone else! That should be the working principle of our political posturing:)

          • Brhan

            Merhaba haileTG

            The Eritrean regime ordered the Eritrean soldiers to rape Eritrean refugees in Tigray.
            This injustice is new for those who have short memory.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Brhan. You assert that ‘The Eritrean regime ordered Eritrean soldiers to rape Eritrean refugees in Tigray’? Can you please provide your information source? Thanks!

          • Brhan

            Hello Dongolo,
            I have provided the info here 14 hours ago…in BOLD

          • Dongolo

            Selam Brhan. What you provided in bold 14 hours ago was ‘Attacks on Eritrean refugees in Tigray ‘clear war crimes’: HRW’. Again, please provide your source for your claim that the Eritrean regime ordered Eritrean soldiers to rape Eritrean refugees in Tigray.

          • Hashela

            Dongolo

            He has no source for the claim* his making.

            *For the record: His claim is “The Eritrean regime ordered the Eritrean soldiers to rape Eritrean refugees in Tigray”

          • Hashela

            Selam Brhan

            There is a difference between saying

            -“The Eritrean regime ordered the Eritrean soldiers to rape Eritrean refugees in Tigray”

            and

            – ” so and so said that ‘the Eritrean regime ordered the Eritrean soldiers to rape Eritrean refugees in Tigray’ “.

            You are writing as if you directly witnessed the alleged instruction by the Eritrean Government .

          • Brhan

            Selam Dongolo and Hashela,

            https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0329

            Treasury Sanctions Eritrean Military Leader in Connection with Serious Human Rights Abuse in Tigray
            General Filipos is the Chief of Staff of the EDF. In this role, he commands all of the EDF forces that have been operating in Ethiopia. The EDF are responsible for massacres, looting, and sexual assaults. EDF troops have raped, tortured, and executed civilians; they have also destroyed property and ransacked businesses.

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          ” generational Tigre Geday mentality “? ኧረ በስመአብ በል ኃይልሽ::

          እንዲያው ያለ ስሜ ስም ሲሰጠኝ ከርሞ
          በየደረሰበት ሲያጣጥለኝ ኖሮ
          እንዲህ ነች እንዲያ ነች ሲለኝ መክረሙ አንሶ
          አይን አውጥቶ መጣ ደግሞ ተመልሶ
          እራሱ በድሎኝ እራሱ አለቀሰ
          በአሉባልታ ፈረስ አገር አደረሰ
          ( አስቱ ነፍሴ ድሮ የዘፈነችው ነው)

    • iSem

      Hi Haile TG:
      Your list comes short:
      TPLF had their own so called Menkae, they are still alive , most of them, one of them returned to meda and was killed under suspicious circumstances.
      TPLF is not a saint org, it has repressed as Tigrayans would testify, but its purpose, its sole existence is not destroying Tigray, while PFDJ and EPLF, their inspirations comes from destroying our people. This does not mean EPLF was not staffed with nationalist elements who were mislead. That is what people, the PFDJ closet supporters do not understand when some of us favorably compare TPLF to EPLF/PFDJ/EDF/IA. When you compare systems, you need to choose comparative items.
      Mehari Yohannes is in opposition and even when Tigray’s border is not demarcated, and war is still raging, he is talking about inclusiveness and warning against one fits all party dominating everything and charting alone the future of Tigray. Criticizing TPLF in broad day light. He has not disappeared in the prisons of Dedebit
      I think, despite the mayhem the invaders have caused them, if the people of Tigray survive this attack on them, it will be good for their future: they will clarify their future, they will cement the plurality of ideas, TPLF will not be the end all, be i all and they will be united. And I do not think they will live in perpetual enmity with their neighbors (am surprised you said that). Whatever enmity there is between us now, it can be fixed with good leadership. Elect me president of Eri and I will fix it in one speech 🙂 I will go Tigray and speech in Tigrinya, when I go to Raya, I will hire Fanti as a speech writer, I will go to lowlands of Eri and speak in Tigrayit and address the issue of btah-btah and how it came to be, I will go the other lowland and speak in Arabic, I will go to Kassala and I will mix Tigrayit and Arabic. problem solved. 🙂
      If Eritreans can fight side by side with the Amhara’s am sure the issues with Tigray is no brainer to solve.
      There is lots of evidence that this PFDJ entity that people mistake came to being in 1994 (it was created in 1970) to eliminate Eritreans. But then Dergi came and its dreams vanished and it has to piggy-backed on the Eritrean yearning for independence from Ethiopia and Amhara and it reemerged in1994. In this forum, there are smart opposition people who think that PFDJ hijacked Eri independence in 1994. Wrong!. A leader who wanted to create a joint government with TPLF on the eve of may 24?
      So your list is impressive, but missing one summary: TPLF despite it repressive nature, rooted in stupid communism, was designed to free Tigrayan people from serfdom, while EPLF was created to destroy the Eritrean people and to do that, it has to follow the parasite method: destroy the victim from within. Even HS and Dergi wanted to bring Eritreans to the fold of Ethiopian and they murdered those who opposed them, so with EPLF/PFDJ and the May 24 fetish, we have accomplished nothing, even saying during HS and Dergi was better is understatement. the signs are there Tigrayas are better off under TPLF despite the follies and stupidity of TPLF.
      One last thing: also TPLF did not erase the history and role of tis founding fathers like Ghidey G and Aregawi berhe who were dismissed from TPLF, when Tigray celebrated the 40th anniversary of the founding of TPLF, they mentioned by name these Ghidey and Aregawu and paid homage to their contributions. And the PFDJ/MoI under Ali- Abdu removed a video where Haile Dergiu was dancing with IA. TPLF leaders are not implicated in human trafficking and organ harvesting of their youth
      The delusion of of the Dongolos is also equally impressive: And what did MZ say bout the student shooting and what did IA say about the shooting of the disabled fighters.
      The Hashela’s and Dongolo are government supporters and enablers, it cannot be clearer than that Sara

  • woldu hadgu

    Dear methaf:

    Did I became a prickly pear (beles) or needle point for you? You sound a sensitive fella.

    To make my stand clear: my feeling of empathy and compassion for the EDF soldiers is based on my morality. As I don’t allow such thing to happen to my children, they don’t deserve their lives and liberty to be stolen and become tools for the evil state. Other than that I condemn any of their their mercenary acts of destruction and criminal activities. My wish is they all come safe from this and regain their liberty and repent and regenerate their life.

    And for you (again who can advise a smart fella) don’t fight in two fronts: the enemy of EDF is the evil state of Eritrea who brainwashed, intimidated, cajoled, forced these poor kids from the poorest class to fulfil his dreams. So just concentrate on your state and fight it tooth and nail.

    Leave TPLF to TEGARU. The people of Tigray have proved to be stoic, resilient, wise, productive, intelligent, dedicated, sophisticated, united, kind and brave an envy to many people on earth. Let this people decide the fate of their leadership because they are more than CAPABLE to have the RIGHT choice.

    And please don’t be angry!!

    • Metshaf Jigninet

      Hello woldu,

      You can only become shugorti for now.

      1) How about you condemn TDF for killing 120 civilians in Chenna, among them women and children?

      2) What about caring for the Tigrayan child soldiers fighting a fruitless war while their spokesperson gets heavier by the day?

      3) TPLF is fighting multiple fronts and you want me to be concerned about fighting two fronts? Nonetheless, Eritrean traitors, but also Tigrayans acting Eritreans, have effectively ruined our progress.

      4) I won’t discredit the people of Tigray and won’t engage in degrading any ethnic group.

      That said, I would gladly leave Tigray and TPLF to Tigrayans. However, you guys are obsessed with Eritrea and Eritreans. The solution might be increased involvement by Eritreans in Tigrayan affairs.

      I am not angry. The only one that rustled my jimmies here is, haileTG.

      HaileTG, because of his tireless effort to slander everything Eritrean, whilst being a TPLF propaganda machine.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam MJ,

        Talking about slander: under the current regime we have lost our reputations and values. Telling the truth as it appears is not slandering,

        Eritrea is the a “Real Estate” of Issayas Afeworki. What do we citizens have to be proud of about Eritrea and its government? I mean it. Tell me something we could be proud that I could not see it under the current regime. Issayas can sell it for high bids and auctions if he wanted.

        Second Eritrea is pariah state outcasted by the international communities. A state that repelled its own citizens. A state that destroyed our beautiful cultures values. We lost everything we had under the state of Issayas. A state that devours its young generation in a war of advantures. What do you have defend for this pariah state pls?

        • Metshaf Jigninet

          Selam Aman H,

          Sorry for the delayed reply.

          I normally avoid engaging with you and Ismail among a few others out of respect for my elders, even though you have, in my opinion, diverted too far from Eritrean interests to Tigrayan interests.

          You said, “Telling the truth as it appears is not slandering”.

          I’ll make my case and let the unbiased readers be the judge. For my example I’ll use Brhans post that he submitted earlier today.

          Brhan wrote, “The Eritrean regime ordered the Eritrean soldiers to rape Eritrean refugees in Tigray”

          When he was confronted by Hashela and Dongolo, who let him get away too easily, he responded by introducing the following as proof.

          “Treasury Sanctions Eritrean Military Leader in Connection with Serious Human Rights Abuse in Tigray General Filipos is the Chief of Staff of the EDF. In this role, he commands all of the EDF forces that have been operating in Ethiopia. The EDF are responsible for massacres, looting, and sexual assaults. EDF troops have raped, tortured, and executed civilians; they have also destroyed property and ran” Where does it say the Eritrean regime ordered rape?
          This is what Brhan and haile”TG” does continously.

          As a politician skewing truth to best serve one’s interest is common practice. However, blatantly lying is frowned upon universally. This, ney welhanti zeytekim lokmax, have polluted the forum with news that serves TPLF/Tigray only. Mind you, Brhan and haile”TG” , keeps doing that at the expense of Eritreans.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Rocket-man Reda, should be issuing Press Releases of a ’different nature’ in a couple of weeks or so, with the cessation of rains and a much changed on-ground arena.

    • Hashela

      Dongolo

      Getachew Reda may find a renewed wellness retreat the caves and mountains useful purely for dietary reasons. The rate with which he is ballooning is worrisome.

      • woldu hadgu

        Dear Hashela and Dongola:

        Is GR’s “bodily” inflation proportional to your hope and ego deflation? Poor souls!! Why don’t you cry for your soldiers who are perishing in foreign soil with no one to CRY for them; no one to BURY them; no one to CARE for them. What will be your answer tomorrow? What are you going to say to their mother? Who would reap benefit from their demise?

        • Metshaf Jigninet

          Hello Woldu,

          Fair enough. You care for your TDF and likewise we Eritreans will care for our EDF and country.

          If you were supposedly acting as an Eritrean previously, you revealed yourself by saying “your soldiers”. However, if by chance you happen to be so detached that you don’t see your fellow countrymen and women as your own, then it’s even worse. Neybehaki meskin.

          Honestly though, Tegaru acting Eritreans in social media and causing trouble has become too much to bear. Focus on your state/country and forget Eritrea.

          • woldu hadgu

            Dear “jigninet”:

            Your “soldiers” are my sons and daughters. I cry for them; I feel their pains in my bones; I lament for their mothers hellish life, for their mouth is muzzled not to enquire; their ears deafened not to hear any relevant or comforting information ; no one is informing them. ERI TV is not bothered with the soldiers; it is talking about flood in Tanzania; missile test in N. Korea etc,,etc.. and yet you jigninet are concerned about Tigray and Tegaru.

            You are a contradiction. A life of contradiction is awful. When everything is over and done, you will appear in your real name and you will show your hypocrisy.

            If anything human is left in you it is Now that you have to support your “soldiers” who are carrying the sinful burden of your evil state. It is UNFAIR for them! You have an advantage of of alias meaning unless the alias is supplied by the state you support, your unanimity will keep you at harms way.

            This is my one cent advise of wisdom to you.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Hashela. Getachew Reda is acting like a pre-hibernating cave bear, whooping down 1 kg daily of stolen High Energy Biscuits (intended for children & pregnant & lactating mother’s) @ 4,500 kcals and 150 grams of fat. The terrorist TPLF’s campaign has never been about the welfare of the people of Tigray rather it is driven by greed and self perseverance.

      • Peace!

        Hashela,

        GR and Dr. Debretsion were selected to maintain the status quo which was to serve Sebhat Nega’s and his group awful ambitions over ordinary Ethiopians and Eritreans. Now the situation has changed and they both found themselves in a self-inflicted ominous and too big to handle situation. GR has been good at spitting negative sentiment for young Amharas to flock to the training camps and Dr. Derbretsion is being cramped to reading scripts and writing letters. As for Debretsion it was expected he was just a good boy, even Meles refered him as መስኪን “ማዓር ኣብዛ ኣፉ እንተጌርካሉ ከይ በለዓ እዩ ዝጸንሓካ.”

        This is a pure adventure and sadly, the poor Tigryans are paying the price.

        Peace!

        • Hashela

          Peace

          “reading scripts and writing letters”.

          Giving Debretsion’s difficulty reading the declarations and proclamations that he announces, sometimes one gets the feeling that he receives the documents when he sits in front the camera and goes on air.

      • Abi

        Hashela
        Apparently, GR can’t process fat. He only store all the fat he consumes. ለክፉ ቀን እያከማቸ ነው::

        • Hashela

          Abi

          obviously he is “acting like a pre-hibernating cave bear” (courtesy of Dongolo)

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I don’t expect to see a post-hibernation GR. His body should be sent to the nearest zoo for postmortem examinations.

          • Hashela

            Ab

            Not to Harare, for the evening spectacle?

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Forum participants

    A follow up to my yesterday’s post…

    The Ethiopian federal government and the Tigrayan regional government have not given their comment why the UN investigators can’t go to Axum.
    It seems the African Union will go to Axum.

    BBC Amharic said today September 14 , 2021 “ዶ/ር ጌዲዮን የጥምረቱን ጥረት ካደነቁና መንግሥታቸው የሚደግፈው መሆኑን ካወሱ በኋላ የተለመዱ አሰራሮችን ገድፏል ያሉትን የአፍሪካ ሕብረት የሰብአዊ መብቶች ኮሚሽንን ወቅሰዋል።
    “ከተለመደው አሰራር ባፈነገጠ መልኩ የአፍሪካ ኮሚሽን ነጻና ገለልተኛ ባልሆነ ሁኔታ የራሱን የተናጥል ምርመራ ለማካሄድ መርጧል። ይህ በኢትዮጵያ መንግሥት ተቀባይነት አይኖረውም” ብለዋል።

    Now the puzzle with the Ethiopian government is its flip-flops. The Ethiopian government, which was vocal about its admiration for the AU, is now against the AU.
    It seems that the AU is more to people, rule of law and permanent solution and the UN to governments and their politics. Let the AU go to Axum and report to us what happened there? Who did what?

    • haileTG

      Selam Brhan,

      Sometimes, the western powers (USA), take actions that are patently against what might considered moral justice. Remember how the US destroyed the CoI in Eritrea’s momentum by blocking its progress? It did the same thing to the Iraqi Shia when it abandoned them to Saddam’s chemical attacks after using them for its own purpose. It could come to pass that the US could abandon its current position in Tigray conflict or legitimate search for justice. The UN changes in Axum to delay is most likely US pressure in crafting a workable peace plan, one that reflects US national interests.

      • Brhan

        Selam haileTG,
        Yes you are right. But a damage has been made to the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia and the AU is looking to heal that damage.
        The Constitutive Act of the African Union and the Protocol on Amendments to the Constitutive Act of the African Union mentions ” African people” more than ” African countries”

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Brhan,

          The African Union is just setup to serve the interests of the west as they see fit. It has never served the interests of African people. But who knows they may get lucky this time around.

          For example, there was the African Union Ambassador to the US (a certain women doctor from Zimbabwe, an honorary role) and she wanted the African Diaspora to have organized in order to influence the African people interest in the US and abroad.

          She was critical of France and how it controls currency of western African countries and how they need to free themselves from the bondage of France.

          She was removed from the role (which was believed at the request of France) by the Secretary General.

          Another example is, the AU never criticized the west and never interfered in the bombing and removal of Gadaffi, where he has done probably the most when it comes to Africa. In fact people such as the former Ethiopian PM, MZ were supporting the Western countries.

          On the other hand Herman Cohen tweeted this today, not that it matter.

          Starting negotiations in #Ethiopia will require aggressive US diplomatic intervention with both sides. After 29 years of TPLF dominance in federal politics, Abiy’s regime will not feel secure until the TPLF is totally dissolved as a political entity – a difficult starting point.

          • Brhan

            Merhaba Berhe,
            I believe the AU is serious this time. The Ethiopian Attorney General’s tone assures that.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    As the conflict in Ethiopia enters an expanded and entrenched phase, without any side showing any intention of letting up, it is an obvious concern to ponder if the war could cross into Eritrea. Many outsiders who are involved in the efforts to resolve the conflict or others tasked with humanitarian issues connected to it, have been warning the possibility of the conflict spilling over to the region. Clearly, such concern only points to Eritrea. Because, no other country in the region is as deeply involved in the Ethiopian civil war other than Eritrea.

    The issue of a potential spill over of the war into Eritrea, however, couldn’t be discussed by the Eritrean opposition productively because many are not looking at the issue objectively. To the greatest extent that can be observed, the outcome of such a conflict seems to be the center of discussions rather than its possibility, its driving factors and its probable trajectory should it happen. When such basic factors are not considered and analyzed, the outcome centered discussion only reflect partisan interests that is highly charged with emotional and irrational tendencies.

    Therefore, we should ask: what, if any, would drive the conflict across the border into Eritrea; what indications are there to suggest that such scenarios are brewing or not; how far would such conflict extend in terms of scope geographically; what could be its ultimate outcome in the context of Eritrea?

    What would drive/motivate the Tigray conflict spilling into Eritrea?

    Despite the fact that major human rights violations and property destructions are committed in Tigray, including by EDF, the precise driving factor may not be that alone. The IA regime is reported to have re-entered western Tigray and parts of Amhara regions. It is also reported [by the Tigray side] to still hold some territories in northern and north-eastern Tigray. The UN, US, EU, UK and others are accusing the IA regime of seriously hampering peaceful resolution of the Tigray conflict. In his recent interview, PFDJ secretary Alamin M Said also stated that he believes the Eritrean regime also believes that Ethiopian unity should be secured (no self determination for Tigray) and TPLF should not return to power (no negotiated transitional solution that includes TPLF). Under the above number of circumstances, the TDF would either work to push out EDF from Tigray or take control of Eritrean towns and region(s) in order to force EDF retreat from its current position. So, in practice, yes there are credible scenarios under which we could see the conflict spilling over to Eritrea.

    What indications are there to indicate that such a scenario is brewing?

    The first obvious indication is of course, TDF’s own statements regarding the fact that they intend to go to Eritrea if that is deemed necessary. But, the could be seen as a general remark. As described in the previous section, the warnings of external parties is also another indication. There are still more pointed indications however, for those who care to look closely. For example, Tigray govt external representative Amb. Berhane G/Kirstos has been going around different Eritrean opposition sections (of opposing views) to explain the stand of the Tigray side on Tigray-Eritrea relationship. Unless, Ambassador Berhane is attempting to lay the political ground work for a potential conflict, what would be the point for him to take such venture at this time? I mean we are not at the stage of setting up cross border trade at this juncture, that could have waited. Therefore, the Ambassador’s brief could possibly be to assure the Eritrean opposition side that in the event such a conflict arises, TDF has no reason nor intention to cause unnecessary damage. So, taken the above indicators and the end of the long rainy season, the increased saber rattling and diplomatic shuttles do indicate something of the sorts could potentially happen.

    How far would such a conflict extend/ geographic scope:

    If such a conflict happens, the geographical scope is most likely to be limited to taking up towns or cities akin to what is happening in Amhara and earlier in Afar. Since, no one knows how such a move would end up; succeed or fail or cause other unexpected realities on the ground, it is not easy to see beyond such. Foe example, going to Asmara is neither militarily nor politically feasible. As there are no established Eritrean armed opposition, the likelihood of an outside force going all the way to a capital is most unlikely. But gaining few major towns inside Eritrea could potentially be a game changer for TDF, because it is likely to force IA to make a choice on whether to continue staying in western Tigray and other parts or not. In other words, it becomes a bargaining chip.

    What could be the outcome in the broader Eritrean context:

    This is the hardest to predict. It all depends on the length of time, exact scale and conditions put in place to reasonably assess. The Eritrean opposition has opted to quickly adopt narrow and emotional perspectives and never allowed itself to soberly analyze the situation. As usual, last minute meetings and press releases could be seen if such a scenario was to happen, but it is difficult to see other closer collaboration.

    The Eritrean regime is deeply sucked into the conflict, the more PMAA finds himself stretched militarily and farther from the peace table. As both seem to be the case, the chances of the above scenario can’t entirely be dismissed.

    • Berhe Y

      Selam HaileTG,

      This sounds like TPLF is not going anywhere with its adventure and can’t break the ENDF resistance.

      TPLF original plan was:

      1) defeat ENDF and force Abiy to leave and create transition government (puppet) and return what ever territories deemed necessary
      2) use what ever Ethiopian resources (military and other) and head to Eritrea to remove IA and defeat EDF
      3) install puppet government in Eritrea and take what ever territories it is deemed necessary
      4) with puppet government in Ethiopia and Eritrea blessing (በፍንጫ) have referendum and declare independence
      5) And become the East Africa Israel (Horn super power) and live happy ever after

      Looks like the plan is stuck and can’t go past step 1. And wants to skip to step 2 and try its lack.

      I say, if step 1 is difficult, step 2 will be 10 times more difficult.

      My suggestion to the TPLF central council: find a peace with all three parties still in power. Give peace a chance, think long term. IA and now Abiy, survive and thrive when there is a conflict.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Berhe,

        You may or may not be correct in your analysis, just as mine also may or may not be correct. But, the key take away from my entry, as I wish it to be, is the following:

        “The issue of a potential spill over of the war into Eritrea, however, couldn’t be discussed by the Eritrean opposition productively because many are not looking at the issue objectively. To the greatest extent that can be observed, the outcome of such a conflict seems to be the center of discussions rather than its possibility, its driving factors and its probable trajectory should it happen.”

        It is not possible to have any meaningful discussion for Eritrea because:

        1 – the issue is wholly dismissed, assuming what the worst outcome may be

        2 – the issue is wholly accepted, assuming what the best outcome may be

        Each view point #1 and #2 is not based on thorough analysis because it has proved to rein in emotions.

        P.S. The topic is if there would be a spill over conflict into Eritrea, if so , what it would look like. If not, what are the bases. Not about to do things for any party.

      • Peace!

        Berhino,

        A right answer for the wrong question is always disaster. It is too obvious the ongoing TPLF’s war adventure is costing Tigryans dearly to the extent there is no food to eat in the capital city of Mekele; Schools are closed; civilian hospitals run out of supplies and doctors; and more importantly, the humiliating defeat is also causing the deceived sponsors to reconsider their position. With that in mind, it is not hard to read the capacity of TPLF and the minds of poor Tigras screaming: how do we get out of the hell TPLF put us in?

        It is crucial that the people of Axum, Sheire, and Adwa hold TPLF accountable and bring this misery to an end before the Federal government closes in and the Endertas, Rayas, Tenbens, and Agames pick up arms to defend themselves

        Peace!

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate.com Forum friends

    Probe in Ethiopia’s Tigray did not reach site of Axum attack: UN*
    UN human rights investigators unable to deploy to site of alleged massacre of several hundred people in holy city.
    Michelle Bachelet told the UN Human Rights Council on Monday that deployments to eastern and central Tigray, where witnesses have accused Ethiopian and allied forces from neighbouring Eritrea of some of the worst abuses of the 10-month war, “could not proceed”.
    She cited “sudden changes in the security situation and in the conflict dynamics”. She did not give details.

    My question is : does PMAA want to save ነቐዝ?
    * Source: A L J A Z E E R A 13-September-2021

    • Tensae

      Hello All,

      Here is excerpt from the same report that the “fair minded reporter” chose not to share:

      “Bachelet added that during the period under review, Tigrayan forces had allegedly been responsible for attacks on civilians, including indiscriminate killings resulting in nearly 76,500 people being displaced in the Afar region and an estimated 200,000 others in Amhara.

      More than 200 individuals have reportedly been killed in the most recent clashes in these regions, and 88 individuals, including children, have been wounded, she said.

      “We have also received serious reports of recruitment of children into the conflict by Tigrayan forces, which is prohibited under international law,” Bachelet said.

      So much for credibility!

      • Brhan

        Hello Tensae,
        Well as they say you take the horse to the river to drink ….I hope you get used to sharing news. The details reflect the title…titles are significant or primary info of the news. Secondly , if you are new to awate …we can’t put link in week days
        Ciao!

      • Peace!

        Hi Tensae,

        Thank you! Busted! LOL. I thought the purpose of sharing information was to enriching the debate and help avoid wrong conclusion, I guess I was wrong. We need a lecture on the value of integrity 🙂

        Peace!

        • Abi

          Hello Peace
          BUSTED ጥራይልካ!!!
          BIGLY BUSTED!!!

          • Peace!

            Abish,

            I guess የቆረጣ ኣስተምህሮ ለጦር ሜዳ ብቻ ኣይደለም ማለት ነው:)

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Peace
            አዋተንም ተቆጣጢርና ሊል ፈልጎ ተዋሪድና ሆኖ አረፈው::
            የኢትዮጵያ ትንሳኤ ደረሰልን!!

          • haileTG

            Abichu,

            Value added reporting is the mark of awate meeting quality standards. The only new news is what Brhan pointed out, the rest is redundancy we heard for hundredth time. The fact that they could not go to Axum is a new revelation. This is the tragic case of professional Brhan engaging the awate militia sections…haha

      • Abi

        Hello Tensae
        You must be out of your mind if you expect a balanced report and credibility from the አልጀዚራ ቋሚ ተጠሪ at Awate.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Tensae

        Is the Axum massacre of a different type? I.e. one involving Eritrea and relevant to our debating here? I thought that is the link Brhan is sharing to discuss. Yes, many atrocity is happening in Ethiopia but how does that “inform” us of what is related to Eritrea?

        • Brhan

          Selam haileTG
          What can we do. Can we teach here what news means?
          I have shared the news of atrocities of the two sides here before. Can we say their memory is short?

          • haileTG

            Hello Brhan,

            I think when news is used for propaganda rather than adding to knowledge like you did, you end up getting people with a taste for a specific type of news. It doesn’t matter how many times it is reported. In other words, they would like you to do their job for them. It makes you wonder whether such mindset is what produced and still maintaining dictatorship in our region or the mindset is the product of dictatorship. But thanks for bringing out Guad Abi from his slumber, I was starting to worry regarding his whereabouts:-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            የአልጀዚራው ተስፈኛ ( freelancer) never brought any king of news unless he wants to use it as a Propaganda.

          • haileTG

            Abichu,

            Let me guess, this is said by the most balanced and thoughtful militia leader and the “we will eliminate them” war lord Guad Abi Yileylet:-) Come on Abichu, Brhan is a free minded individual, no one can use him.

          • Brhan

            Hi hailey TG
            Aljazeera has office in Fin Fne
            Many do not know where Fin Fne is.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            TDF/ TPLF or whatever name they call themselves will be eliminated.
            ወደፊት በሉለት ይለይለት!!
            I never pretend to be balanced when it comes to everything Ethiopian. ኢትዮጵያ ሃዱርሲቱ!!!

            Brhan and free mind don’t go together. Try freelancing.

    • haileTG

      Selam Brhan,

      In regards to the point you raised here, the reason for delaying investigation is probably to do with the new strategy. The ICG advised the UN on Friday that the best way to break the deadlock is:

      – TPLF to soften its demand on transitional government without PMAA
      – Amhara to withdraw from WT on commitment from TPLF that they will be open to land dispute resolution
      – PMAA to lift all other blockades.

      Now, it makes sense to hold off any investigations that can compromise PMAA and prevent any peaceful resolution from moving forward.

      That is my take, it would be great to hear how other Ethiopian (Not my friend Abichu) have to say on the proposal of ICG as paraphrased above. Abichu can share his frustrations on Jebena 🙂

      • Brhan

        Merhaba haileTG
        This is real discussion . I was a little busy babysitting some here at the forum.Back to your point
        In politics everything is possible.Can we say Axum has become a trap to all?
        .

        • haileTG

          Hey Brhan,

          Baby sitting?? Wow…where is Dongolo when you need him, he had those baby biscuits:-)

          Yes, it is a trap. I think that the west has done a good job to lend political support to Tigrayans when they were exposed to serious catastrophe back in the early months. Now that the balance is restored and they can defend themselves, it is fair that the world applies some pressure on them to seek negotiated settlement. TDF should take this in good heart and try to support their efforts. Unlike IA/PMAA who have nothing except disdain to the international community.

      • Abi

        ኃይልዬ
        ሳልጋበዝ ተከስቻለሁ!
        1-TPLF to soften its demands on transitional government without PMAA
        2- PMAA to lift all other blockades.
        Your Greatness, please help me reconcile the above.

        • haileTG

          Hey Abichu,

          I see the contradiction you’re pointing. My my!! I thought you guys have economy controlled by parliament? Are you like us too, our economy is in a village called Adi Halo, IA keeps it under a sheep skin called agoza and sits on it:-) Is PMAA doing that to you guys too??

      • iSem

        Haile TG:
        I see it this way:
        Of course TPLF will soften from its demands somehow that is negotiations but the Amahra goons will demand for a kililil not to have any military power save police force, given what they wen thru that is unacceptable to Tigray

        But how can you soften these.
        1. all troops to live Tigray
        2. All political prisoners to be releases unconditionally
        3. All Tigrayan wealth to be release
        4. Allow all services to be restored

        All except items 3 cannot be softened
        But now its clear to Abiy and fellow conspirators that they cannot subjugate Tigray because if they could they could have done it in 3 weeks and would have been celebrating the anniversary soon

        Th whims like former RAS Abi and former Tegadaly Semere Tesfai get hard on about their fantasy of to creating concentration camp to put Tigrayans like the Nazi’s did but they do not understand that their needled country will be shredded when the old threads break.
        It is impressive that mighty Ethiopia cannot tackle TDF and TDF took the war inside Amhara land where it should be because their elites were blood thirsty, one thing they know since their fake 3000 years birth.
        Oh, am ironing my white suit and white tie, while shoes, white fedora that I have saved for the demise if PFDJ/IA/EDF, now I may use i when I see the demise of this blood thirsty neighbour—one thing general Nitiricc was right about

        • haileTG

          Hi iSem,

          No doubt Ethiopia is in big trouble, the solution can’t come from one side. The list you provided are what PMAA must do to ensure peace. The TPLF softens its position by accepting the inclusion of PMAA in the transitional process (read – drop ICC demand). The Amhara will lose all of their land if they go back to pre-federal map; along with Afar, Oromia, Debub and all the rest. Because, under the unitary system, there were 13 provinces (Eritrea as Moqshish), and had nothing to do with ethnicity of the residents. Tigray included Afar and Begimeder included what is WT. But ethnicity had no relevance. So, the Amhara question is no less than the dismantling of the federal system as a whole. In smaller scale, however, they can dispute the formation of the federal map and its cartographic resolutions. In which case, they need to commit to legal pathway to dispute it. Legally, it is an easier problem, politically however, it can’t be solved short of dismantling Ethiopia. The other issues are only a matter of PMAA approving them and the whole thing would be over. However, PMAA needs guarantees to do so, and that is where TPLF softening is needed.

          Don’t wear your whites yet, I wouldn’t discount Jegnaw yeAmara Fano, they may relocate to Asmara before you know it:-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ጀግናዉ የአማራ ፋኖ ፈስህን እያስረጨ ወደ ደደቢት እንደላከህ ማስታወስ አስፈላጊ መስሎ አልታየኝም ነበር::

          • haileTG

            Abichu

            ኧረ ይኼ ደደቢት ከወደየትና የት ነው የሚዞረው? ትግራይ ነው? ጎንደር ወይስ ወሎ? ወይ የሕልም ሩጫ ሲሉ እንዲህው!!

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ጎንደር ግድርድሪት
            ወሎ ጀግኒት
            ትግራይ ደደቢት

        • Abi

          iSem
          Looks like you consumed a little bit too much leftover from the holiday you are burping uncontrollably.
          Please take a long walk.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Eritrea hub website has been doing a good job recently by presenting a brief story of those members of G-15, journalists, civil servants… who were incarcerated for 20th year now. There are also others going to 28+ years. The website is also using editorial graphics of portraits of the victims as the public would remember them best. In reality, although most may have died now – including getting killed by their captors, their age would be 70s and 80s. There were of course, the younger ones too.

    What is the likelihood of any of the G-11 are alive? I presume, all may have passed away. The sad part is that PFDJ/IA continue their battle with the dead too by refusing their families to be informed and bid them farewell. What an evil has befallen Eritrea!

    • iSem

      Haile TG:
      One rule we need to understand is, under EPLF/PFDJ/IA any one accused of opposing IA will never make it alive. So most are dead, those who are clinging to dear life will die there unless, IA/EDF/PFDJ is removed before they pass away. And even then they will damaged goods to be useful even to themselves, but am sure their loved ones would prefer to see them even in that state. Imagine Seyoum Tsehaye, the journalist whose daughter was infant when he was kidnapped by PFDJ and his brother is an ambassador to India for IA, that is the country that we are told EDF is defending. At one point I fantasized about one of them (G-15) is be released and becomes a president of Eritrea. This was when I admired the gilded Eritrea whose sons and daughters release prisons from the prisons guarded by Amahras.
      A hallmark of PFDJ is denial and sdinnet so even they will not honour a corpse so they bury them in unmarked graves around Ela-Ero. You know who does that Dergi, when they dragged dead fighters in the towns to scare Eritreans. Ghadif did that with college professors who made some passing comment during lectures and the spy students told the security and the prof gets killed and his body thrown around a highway and his family is told to collect him. Pol Pot also had his own Ela-Ero and it is reported that some of the prisoners lost the ability to speak after a long incarceration and isolation. So IA and PFDJ and EDF under his tautog are among the few demons that the world need to get rid of not even defend with weak words.
      that is my take, sorry it is a downer but the truth

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Forum friends

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM_Pv7FgAq8

    Tariku Dishatagina now with Akon….
    Enjoy your Sunday evening with it

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    A worrisome ordeal of two Eritreans:

    …”In August 2020, the Egyptian government received a memorandum from the United Nations rapporteur on human rights in Eritrea requesting more information about the two migrants and any police reports or charges against them, according to Committee for Justice. The Eritrean national in Cairo who is following the case told Mada Masr that after the memo, Alem and Kibrom were physically assaulted by prison authorities who tore their clothes, reduced their food portions and obliged them to sign documents whose contents they did not understand.”

    https://www.madamasr.com/en/2021/09/12/news/u/after-over-7-years-detention-in-egypt-2-eritrean-migrants-face-deportation/

    • Brhan

      Selamat haileTG,

      It is unfortunate news. We had similar information in the past. I hope advocacy groups have a strategy for dealing with such circumstances. The system, in my view, considers a rational approach in dealing with these kinds of occasions, and being reasonable and not emotional will help us protect the interest of the subjects of the matter and the welfare of thousands of Eritreans living in the countries. Hundreds of Eritreans have been making Egypt a temporary home to resettle in the West in the past five years. Many are achieving that goal. I also hope the Eritrean advocacy groups or individuals who are leading in solving these problems understand the miracles of diplomacy and implement them to the maximum.

  • said

    Greetings,

    The world commemorates 20-years of the passage of the perpetrated heinous crime of 9/11 that changed the world, caused many ensuing wars, and caused a widening rift and a deep wedge in mistrust between the World Civilizations, foremost the 1.7 billion Islamic World and the Democratic Western World.
    The ensuing events to 9/11 culminating in the declaration of a “War on Terrorism” that caused a major shift in Universal Strategic Priorities and entailed wasteful undertakings that caused the untracking of an otherwise a dawning of a new promising “Peace Era” following the vanishing of the “Cold War.”

    However, much in the example of the official “Warren Report” concluding, rather hastily and apparently falsely, the real causes and the true Perpetrators/Culprits of the tragic assassination of President John. F. Kennedy – nearly forty years earlier to 9/11; a none negligible number of credible skeptics, much relying on circumstantial evidence and scientific scrutiny, see an “Inside Foul Game”

    The circumstances surrounding the real background of the horrific tragedy of 9/11, nearly two decades after the onslaught of 9/11, remain a mystery carrying features of the untouchable that remains immune to a comprehensive factual scientific scrutiny independent of a rushed official version that totally excludes suggestions of other convincing circumstantial evidence that leave an objective in-depth investigation of the causes of 9/11 to this date much in question.”
    Excellent Report by PEPE ESCOBAR in a long essay published on September 11 current in Asia Times: The deep analysis contained in Pepe Escobar’s article gives rise to serious thoughts that one ought not to totally dismiss. Please the link 9/9 and 9/11, 20 years later – Asia Times

    Juan R.I. Cole is Professor at University of Michigan .My interest in Islam was kindled when I lived in Eritrea, East Africa as a teenager, and in my youth fell in love with the mystical Sufi tradition. He taught Islam and Middle East History for nearly 40 years at the University of Michigan and devoted myself to writing several books and many essays on Islam. For geopolitical reasons, the subject often gets a bad rap these days, but it is an impressive religion that produced a beautiful, intricate civilization.
    https://www.juancole.com/2021/08/books-islam-shepherd.html

    Professor Giancarlo Elia Valori Advisory Board Co-chair Honoris Causa ,Mr Valori is an eminent Italian economist and businessman. He holds prestigious academic distinctions and national orders. Mr. Valori has lectured on international affairs and economics at the world’s leading universities such as Peking University, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Yeshiva University in New York. In 1992 he was appointed Officier de la Légion d’Honneur de la République Francaise, with this motivation: “A man who can see across borders to understand the world” and in 2002 he received the title “Honorable” of the Académie des Sciences de l’Institut de France.
    The sunset of the West and Islam Professor Giancarlo; Please see the link
    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2021/08/27/the-sunset-of-the-west-and-islam-from-us-bombs-to-the-return-of-the-taliban/

  • said

    Greeting ,
    Tigray independence?
    The Turkish poet Nazim Hikmet writes: “You must know how to die for men/And moreover for men you never met/And moreover without anyone forcing you to do so.”

    Today TPLF are hoping of getting international recognition. As what status ,a state ,as rebel armed group. Seeking Independence for Tigray . seeking autonomy , state within state but fully armed to teeth Ethiopian troop being defeated and overpowered and routed out in Tigray or PM AA demanded the immediate withdrawal.
    Tigray is free and riding a wave of euphoria? TPLF is it a Nationalist or is it separatist movements groups , who sought and seeks to break apart from Ethiopia and say goodbye. Do TPLF want to press for independence from Ethiopian Empire. What do TPLF want from their standpoint and Tigrayan view. Tigray population ethnically and linguistically share the same ,They can eastly create Tigray State ,nothing is holding them back ?. what do they want and have they learned from history, TPLF do they know what they want for Tigray ? It is time to make decisions; all those option existed in 1991 and exist today to seek for independent State on the condition it is done peacefully and legally and put to a referendum.
    Tigray with its monolithic cultures, languages, religions ,politics intact will become a new nation and their political capital, Mekelle and declare their newly born Republic of Tigray ,and then on live in peace and build their own societies and economics . What TPLF should have done a while ago —after giving it a good thinking and thoughtful choice ?

    No more dream of extending Tigray’s dominance into Ethiopia, like recent past and no more hegemony of a single ethnic group. Let Tigray territory with its border fortress entrenched to themselves once and for all. Next year will be Tigray independence year. A Happy anniversary. Wishing Tigray best

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. EP twitter: ‘One of the facts the Western governments and mainstream media do not want you to recall is that the terrorist #TPLF had fired 15 rockets to #Eritrea, more than the combined rocket attacks in #Ethiopia by the Junta.’. Same would apply to Eritrean TPLF sympathizers who downplay the threat that the TPLF has and continues to pose to Eritrea.

    • haileTG

      Selam Dongolo,

      One of the other things we are not wanted to know was that the USA had threatened to bomb Eritrea back to “taliban era”. This was included on wiki leaks on US embassy communications. It was at the time of the Somali groups including the terror fugitive Dahir Aways were regrouping in Eritrea with the regime’s support.

      Back to the missiles, 2 fired to Asmara airport on Nov. 14th and 13 fired on general direction on night of 28th Nov. Shelling civilian areas is not something anyone would support. What you could tell us is however, if 14th and 28th November were chosen randomly? I mean why not say 6th and 21st or some other random date? Just in the odd chance, do you think it may have to do with intense troop movements via Asmara airport on 13th and 14th and the day of the Axum massacre on 28th (based on Ethiopia’s GP office findings where people were dragged out of their homes and shot in the streets)?

      I mean what is the point of saying you have things to tell us that the world is hiding, and then give us a cut out of PFDJ kitet narrative. The awate university is way deeper than that.

      • Dongolo

        Selam haileTG. In plain & simple terms: A preemptive attack is clearly not permitted by the UN Charter unless authorized by the UN Security Council as an enforcement action. Even if one were to completely believe the hogwash spewing out of Mesfin Hagos’ mouth, the terrorist TPLF’s actions were clearly wrong and an act of war.

        • Saleh Johar

          Dongolo,
          May I suggest something? Thank you.
          1- This “Terrorist” thing is an abused term. I think Canada still considers the Eritrean organizations terrorists. And I am always called a terrorist by the bigots. I am sure it is too politicized and overused.

          2. I don’t think the UN draws war strategies and armies must take approval before waging wars (I wish it was like that). The UN is like a boxing match referee and acts when there is a violation of the Geneva Convention. Preemptive strikes? I don’t think anyone dictates that. Am I wrong?

          • haileTG

            Haha SGJ,

            Boxing referee?? He/she sees the action, UN is more like the police that is usually there to take notes after the crime:-)

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar and thanks for your comments. Eritrea and Ethiopia are both U.N. member states and their actions should therefore be accountable under U.N. Charter, in this particular instance, pursuant to Chapter VII, Articles 39-51. Sorry that you have been called a terrorist but unlike the TPLF, you do not possess a military arsenal or have troops at your disposal.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Do you really wanted us to believe on the nature of the war by your false premises and deceitful arguments? UN charter do not talk about preemptive attacks rather it talks about violating sovereignty of countries, in which the despot is a culprit, fighting outside our borders. In fact, the despot is engaging in a preemptive war against Tigray government or TDF when they are in a civil war with central government. Because he scared from them like a hell. There is no formidable force that makes him sleepless than TDF in the region. If TDF comes after him after his involvement in this war of ethnic cleansing, it is not against Eritrea. It is rather a blessing to the people of Eritrea to be extricated them from his grip – for which the opposition has failed to do the job by themselves for more than two decades. If alliances is a blessing for Issayas, It will be a blessing for the opposition to have alliance with Tigray government to root him out from power. What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

        • haileTG

          Selam Dongolo,

          Not just Mesfin Hagos, in relation to the Nov. 14th rockets, GR spoke to al Jazeera the next day saying that “we will fire rockets to Asmara and Massawa to curtail movements”. At the same time, BBC reporter has also filed the sighting of wounded Ethiopian troops being treated in Eritrea. So, we can see there is some merit to the claim. By Nov. 28th, all hell was loose, PMAA announced victory and the Axum report was widely reported (later in Feb.). At the time, Debretsion said in connection to the rockets, they were fighting EDF in many fronts.

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. So what? It doesn’t change the fact that the TPLF’s admitted preemptive attacks (not only on Eritrea but also Bahri Dar and Gondor) were simply wrong and not permitted under U.N. charter.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            Again, any civilian shelling or bombing is not to be supported but preemptive is prior to Nov. 3/4. At the time of the rockets, the early battles were half way completed. Total victory was declared two weeks later by PMAA on Nov. 28th.

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. You are conveniently forgetting that Getachew Reda openly admitted on Dimsti Weyae TV show that the TPLF conducted a “preemptive strike” against the Ethiopian National Defense Forces Northern Command and that is what set all this terrible mess into motion. When the TPLF launched missiles on Eritrea, everybody and their uncle, knew that it was a desperate attempt by the TPLF to internationalize matters. Of course, some have always chosen to believe anything and everything that is generated by the TPLF’s propaganda machine.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            Yes, the Tigray NC attack on ENDF is considered preemptive.

            Equally, Eritrean attack on Tigray was also preemptive.

            If you are interested on UN chapter VII, it applies on the second one above. The first is internal Ethiopian matters.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat haile TG
            What is so hard to say, clearly, the reason for the rockets was to retaliate for the Humera bombing by the devil dictator of Adi Halo?
            It should be clearly stated what it was.
            If this was not true, please state it.

          • haileTG

            Selam MM,

            Not even that. Asmara airport was allegedly being used as a major reinforcement hub on the brutal war unleashed on the Tigrayans as a people, with evident genocidal intentions. The TDF could have bombed every day of the week since Nov. 5th if it was in retaliation of Humera, strictly speaking. The bombings were most likely part of disruption of troop reinforcement. The second one, Nov. 28th, seems in retaliation to the widespread massacres EDF conducted in Axum, because it came immediately after the first day of the Axum massacre. It was reported that EDF was rounding up and shooting civilians over the two day, 28th and 29th. Hence, the rockets might have slowed down, the acts of EDF against the civilian population.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mehandsay & Hailat-TG,

            Both bombing Humera and Asmara of becoming the main reinforcement of armies and war weaponries against Tigray people, are the reasons for shooting missiles towards the city. And therefore Hailat’s logic of reasoning to halt the reinforcement made Asmara the target of missiles.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Selam ኢንጂነረ

            ካብ ሃይላት አንጻር ሕውሓት ዝኾነ ሓቂ ክዛረብ: ካብ ትኻን ጸባ ምሕላብ ይቀሎ ድዮም ዝብሉሰብ ዓበይቲ

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            ኣንጻር ሕወሓት ክዛረቡ ጸሓይ ዝዓረበቶም እናሬኤኹ’ስ ብኡ ገጸይ ከላግስ ከማን ከጽልኣኒ ርኢኻ ኣትፈልጥን! ብዝኾነ እዞም ወያነ ክብሉ መልሓሶም ዙዕ ዝወጽኦም ይኣኽሉዎ’ለ ኣግደሸሉን ድማ:-)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat brothers haileTG & Berhe
            Maybe it is about time for both of you to create some kind of Comedy Central 🙂

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. Please refer to Getachew Reda’s earlier comment ‘We will conduct missile attacks to foil military movements in Massawa and Asmara’. How much clearer do you wish the TPLF to spell out ‘preemptive’ In regards to their missile attacks on Eritrea?
            https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/14/ethiopia-says-tigray-forces-fired-into-neighbouring-region

            Indeed the TPLF cowardly attack on the NC was an internal Ethiopian matter which resulted their being designated as a terrorist organization.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            A war was already happening, troop movement was already happening and clashes like MM mentioned was already happening. For two full weeks before, tens of thousands had already fled. So, to foil troop movement in normal part of military engagement. Inlands, it is called an ambush. Every time your troops conduct an ambush by road or rocket, it isn’t called preemptive, it is a battle in progress. IA regime on the other hand is accused of unlawful engagement and complication of the peaceful resolution of the conflict. He also bears some degree of moral responsibility for the blood bath going on in Ethiopia right now. When Ethiopian get past this, expect Eritrean actions to be condemned in Ethiopian history books for very long time to come.

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. Not even the U.S. was not buying into the crapola that the TPLF was trying to sell re their missile attacks on Eritrea. Tibor Nagy, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African affairs, condemned “the TPLF’s unjustifiable attacks” against Eritrea and “its efforts to internationalize the conflict in Tigray.”.

          • Dongolo

            Selam haile TG.
            PRESS STATEMENT
            MICHAEL R. POMPEO, SECRETARY OF STATE
            NOVEMBER 17, 2020
            ‘The United States strongly condemns the attack carried out by the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) on the airport in Asmara, Eritrea, on November 14. We are deeply concerned by this blatant attempt by the TPLF to cause regional instability by expanding its conflict with Ethiopian authorities to neighboring countries. We also continue to denounce theTPLF’s November 13 missile attacks on the Bahir Dar and Gondar airports in Ethiopia.’

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            “expanding its conflict with Ethiopian authorities” is the key here. They say the same thing about TDF in Amhara and Afar regions too. Does that mean they are referring to “expanding its conflict with Ethiopian authorities” to mean Amhara did not fight and attack them in Tigray?? “Expanding conflict” has a meaning in the context. The war is in Tigray, don’t escalate it out of Tigray is what it means. It doesn’t mean Eritrean regime was sleeping soundly and a sudden TPLF boom waked them up. So, nothing to do with preemptive. Anyhow, thanks for keeping this debate clean until you finally remembered to smear it with a coprolite:-)

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. Again, Getachew Reda threatened missile attacks in advance when he said “We will launch a missile attack to foil any military movement in Asmara and Massawa”. Note that he did not cite EDF inside of Tigray as reason for the missile attacks.

          • haileTG

            Selam Dongolo,

            Keeping in mind that missiles attack in civilian areas is bad ( I repeat this point because we have people like MJ who reads unwritten things), “foiling” is not “preventing”. To foil something, it needs to be in the stages of being actively planned or taking place. So, Ethiopia’s movement was taking place in Asmara airport, while all disaster was taking place in Tigray. Attempting to limit the flow of troops coming in to slaughter you can’t be considered preemptive. If what IA given as a reason for NC attack is believed, then his regime went fully preemptively. He said TPLF planned to go to Addis then Asmara. No evidence of any such plans on TPLF part can be brought by him, yet he attacked Tigray.

            P.s. BTW despite our long exchange on this matter, I wonder what happened to the esteemed Tigrayan Awatista. It has been quite a while since any of those fine people participated. Just a side thought.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam HaileTG,

            I wonder what happened to the esteemed Tigrayan Awatista.

            አነ ዝብልሲ: በዚ ንስኻ ትፈጥሮ ዘለኻ ክሲ ሓፊሮም አጽቂጦም ኢየ ዝብል አነ:: ለባማት ኪንዮ ኢሰያስን ህግደፍን ዝሓስቡ ይግበሮም::

            እምበር ዶ እቲ ትስንድዎ ዘለኻ ክሲ ናይ ዘልአለም ሳዕቤኑን ዘምጽኦ ዘይጠፍእ ጽልኢ ይርደአካ እዩ:: አስመራ ኤርፖርት ንህዝቢ ትግራይ ንኽጸንት የገልግል ነሩ እካ ኢኻ ትብል ዘለኻ:: ዘይንፈልጣ ሓዳሽ አየርፖርት ዶ ተሰሪሓ ኮይና::

            ክንደይ አየርን ክንደይ ወታሃደርን እዛ ንእሽቶ አየርፓርት ከተእንግድ ትኽእል አብ ሓደ እዋን? ሓንቲ አየር ምስ ዓለበት ዓቅላ ዝጸባ::

            እዝም ኩልም አብ አስመራ ዘለዉ ኤምባሲ ከም አመሪካ ከመይ ዝበለ ድቃስ ጸቂጥዎም እዮም ነዘን ኩለን አየር ክውርዳን ክድይባን እንዳረአዩ: ንሕዋሓትኢዳ ክትእክብ ዓገብ ዝበሉ::

            Not even that. Asmara airport was allegedly being used as a major reinforcement hub on the brutal war unleashed on the Tigrayans as a people, with evident genocidal intentions. The TDF could have bombed every day of the week since Nov. 5th if it was in retaliation of Humera, strictly speaking. The bombings were most likely part of disruption of troop reinforcement. The second one, Nov. 28th, seems in retaliation to the widespread massacres EDF conducted in Axum, because it came immediately after the first day of the Axum massacre. It was reported that EDF was rounding up and shooting civilians over the two day, 28th and 29th. Hence, the rockets might have slowed down, the acts of EDF against the civilian population.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            “ንስኻ ትፈጥሮ ዘለኻ ክሲ”

            I think let me help with this one:

            Eritrea has done absolutely nothing. Out of nowhere TPLF sent missals. Eritrea restrained itself. Later, it went to Tigray to assist Tigrayan IDPs and Eritrean refugees.. Having successfully assisted the war victims, it left Tigray intact and secured and leaving the people of Tigray with a lasting debt of gratitude for the compassion, sympathy and solidarity shown to them by the people and government of Eritrea in their hour of need and crisis.

            ናይ ዘልአለም ሳዕቤኑ should now be peace, fraternity and trust 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            ሃይላት, በብዘሔጉሶም ጌይርካ ጥራይ ደኣ ተፋነዎም እምበር፣ ምስዝኦምሲ “ናይ ዓረዛ ነገር መዳካምያ” ኾይኑካ ኢኻ ክትደክም።

            ሰናይ ንዓኻ ይኹን

          • haileTG

            Selamat Aman,

            ናይታ ኣብ ባይታ ዘላ ናጽነት ኤርትራ ዘይኮነስ ነታ ኣብ ጁባ ኢሳያስ ዘላ ናጽነት ኤርትራ ካብ ምምዕዳው ዝነቐለኮ’ዩ። ንሱ ድማ “ዝኾነ ኮይኑ ንዓይ ተኸናኸኑ” ስለዝኾነ ነገሩ ሓቂ ዘሪዖም ክሓድሩ መሪጾም። እምበሪ ንሰጓጊኻን ቐታሊኻን’ዶ ክንድዚ ኮቦሮ ሓምሓም ይህረመሉ። ምእንቲ ርእሱ እዛ ኩናት ትግራይ ወይ ክነብር ወይ ክጠፍእ እዩ ተቋሙሩላ ኢሰያስ – እታ ካርታ ድማ ኣብ ኢዱ ሓሪራ’ያ። ዝኾነ ይኹን ጨለነት ዘምጾ ክዉን ለውጢ የለን፣ እንትርፎ ኩዳ ዓረዛ:-)

          • Berhe Y

            Selam አያ አማኑኤል,

            እዛ ናይ ቆየቃ ዕዳጋ ዝሒላትካ አላ መስለኒ: ጸጸኒሕካ ትቶኻትኽ አለኻ:: ትማል ሸለል ኢለ ሓሊፈ: ሎሚ ውን አይገድፍካን::

            ሓቂ እንተሃልዩካ: እዚ ዝዘርኦ ዘሎ (አምሳሉ) ብመርትዖ ገርካ ሞጉት:: ካብኡ ዝተረፈ: በጃኻ ርዘን::

            “ዓሻ ደሓን አሎ ዘመድ ዓሻ ከፊኡዎ አሎ” ኮይንና እኮ ናትካ ነገር::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Berhe,

            You are severely ignored, If you don’t know it yet. Don’t even try to sound a related to me.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Amanuel,

            እንተ ገርካዮ ዶ: አበይ እሞ ክትክእሎ: :

            ሓቂ ተለካ ካብ ገቦ ገቦ እንዳኸድካ ቲፎዞ ካብ ምኻን ጠኒንካ ሞጉት:: ሕጅውን ርዘን:: እንታይ ከምትብል ዘለኻን ንመን ከም ዝኾንካን ምድጋም ዘድልዮ አይኮነን::

            ካብ ወረደና : ምጽማም ጥራሕ::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Berhe,

            I can’t leave you with this abusive insult. You don’t know why you are ignored severely.

            ንስኻ ወለዱ ዝበደልዎ ስዲ ሰብ ብዕሉግ ዝዛረቦ ዘይፈልጥ ምዃንካ ተገንዚበ እየ። ዓሻ ኾይንካ ኢኻ እምበር መዛርብትኻ ክትፈልጥ ነይሩካ። ንስኻ ድአ መዛርብቲ በዓል ሃይለ ዲኻ። በየን በየን አቢልካ ኢኻሞ ክትከወን? ጽሑፋትካ መእሰር ዘየብሎም ነንሕዶም ዝጻረሩ፣ ማእካላዊ ሙልእኽቲ ዝየብሎም ከም ምዃኖም ስለዘይትፈልጥ፤ ከም ድላይካ እንተጫሕገርካስ ቁምኑገር ዘለዎ ከይመስለካ።

            ካልኣይ ከአ፤ ሃይለ እንተመለሰልካ መዛንኡ ፍልጠት ዘለካ ኾይኑ እዩ ዝሰምዓካ። አተዓራርዮ አእምሮኻ፤ መዛኑኻ ኸአ አለሊ። ሃይለ ካብ ናይ ሓሳብ ጸልማት ከውጸኣካ እዩ ሒር ዝብል ዘሎ። እምበር አንጻር መንግስቲ እየ እንዳበልካዶ ንመንግስቲ ምድግፍ ህውተታ አሎ ድዩ? ሃይለኮ ናይ “መትከላዊ ፓለቲካ” ክትማሃርን፤ ተማሂርካ ኸአ ብኾምኡ ክትዋሳእ ጺዒሩ ምንም አይካኢለን። ስለዚ ዕሽነትሲ አብ ገዘኻ እያ ዘላ ዑንዳየ።

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Amanuel,

            ስድራይ ፈላጢኦም ኢዩ ዝፈልጦም ብአኻ : ዝዋረዱን ዝለዓሉን አይኮኑን:: ክብረትካ እንትትሕሉ ይሕሸካ::

            ጭጉራፍስ ባዕላ ሀሪማ ተእዊ: ናትካ ነገር::

            ናይ ብሓቂ ተሕዝን::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Berhe,

            ቋንቋ ትጥቀመሉን አዛራርባኻን እኮ እዩ ባዕሉ ዝምስክር። ንዓኻ ወሊዶም ይዋረዱ።

          • Berhe Y

            Amanuel,

            ደሓን እሱስ ፈላጢየይ ይፈልጠኒ:: ስድራይ ብአይ ይኾርዑ እምበር ምንም ዘዋርድ ነገር የብሎምን::

            መመንገድኒ ሒዝና ንኺድ ኢልካ: አብኡ ጽናዕ:: አይትትንክፈኒ አይትተናኽፈኒ:: ብዝተረፈ: ካብኡ ዝተረፈ ዘድሊ ግብረ-መልሲ ክትረክብ ተዳሎ::

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. Getachew Reda’s words are completely his to own (not yours or mine) and it is effervescently clear from his words that TPLF missile attacks on Eritrea were of a preemptive nature.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም በርሀ😁፡

            ዝኾነን ዘይኮነን ሓዋዊስኩም ትሓምዩ
            እንተተዛረብና ኸኣ ኣካራዪ ነግሪሙና ኢልኩም ተእውዩ

            እዛ ትግራይ ትግራይ ትግራይ ትደጋግምዋ ከም ታንታርዋ
            ካብ መኣስ እያ ሃገር ኮይና preemptive ተሸክምዋ

            ርብዒ ሚልዮን ሰራዊት ካብ ተሰልፍ ዶ’ይኮነን ጀሚሩ
            ክፋል ሃገር፡ ካብ ሃገር ንላዕሊ ምስኮነት፡ ሽግሩ

          • haileTG

            Haha…Berhe?? Do you mean weghe:-)

            I think I have to agree with you, but I need to figure out “your intentions”:-)

            Yes moxi, that is a very confusing part and good observation 👍

            Premonitory thoughts or nebsey negiruni in Tigrigna might be to blame as regards Tigray Independence:-) Everyone, including the US/world seem to have it…it may be true:-)

          • Haile S.

            Selam MoKsi,

            No bad intentions. On Calling you Berhe, as Saay reminded me, I wanted to avoid the MoKsi MoKsi MoKsi replies to you.

            “ኩሽማን ደርሆ ኣብ ኣፍ ቆፎ” 😁 ካይመስል

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-S,

            Hailat, If the current war is transformed to a new cause of independence, and if the people of Tigray are committed for that cause, it doesn’t matter who carries it, be it “preemptive” as you surmised it or carried by some other unknowns. At the end of the day what is in the mind of Tigray people is what it matters. And at this point all their effort towards building “nation state.” One thing they have proved at this stage is the notion of “ former state” of Ethiopia. We shall see how the former state of Ethiopia evolve in to a nation state. Read the “indicators,” “slogans”, and their “cause” in this protracted war. Tigray is more viable state than Ethiopia itself at this stage.

            Regard

          • Peace ToAll

            Selam Dogole,
            Do you understand what preemptive attack means or are you trying to Spin the wheel. Again:
            “Preemptive force, military doctrine whereby a state claims the right to launch an offensive on a potential enemy before that enemy has had the chance to carry out an attack. … The attack has to come as a reaction to a perceived threat that is both absolutely credible and immediate”.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Peace ToAll,

            Never mind providing evidence of perceived threat that’s “absolutely credible and immediate ”.

            Now please show us where in the UN charter and security council that “preemptive strike” is legal among UN members?

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            UN Charter; Chapter VII; Article 42, as defined and consistent with terms under Articles 39, 41.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam HaileTG,

            Just so I don’t get confused, I have pasted the articles you mentioned below, please check if this is not what you meant.

            If this is what you are referring, my question to Peace ToAll was with regards to “preemptive action” the TPLF took.

            Can you please explain, how is this article of the UN give the TPLF the legal justifications to take preemptive attack?

            Thanks

            Chapter VII — Action with respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace, and Acts of Aggression

            Article 42
            “Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.”

            Article 41
            “The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.”

            Article 39
            “The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            I thought your question was:

            Now please show us where in the UN charter and security council that “preemptive strike” is legal among UN members?

            My answer was:

            UN Charter; Chapter VII; Article 42, as defined and consistent with terms under Articles 39, 41.

            Could you please point me which part of your question was not addressed by my response?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            Well I thought it was obvious the topic is with regards to the preemptive attack that some people say it’s legal as per the UN charter. And my question with in that context.

            Even if your response with with two generic UN member countries, still the “action” needs to be taken by the UN SC and not by any warring party.

            The way I read it, country A can’t take preemptive action against country be unilaterally, it needs to go the UNSC.

            But TPLF is neither a country nor member of the UN so none of the rules apply to it.

          • Saleh Johar

            Berhe,
            Preemptive is naturally a surprise attack. No one in history discussed it with any authority. It’s a secrete only known to the very senior commanders and not all know about its timing. Imagine country A goes to the UN and tells them it will take a preemptive strike against country B. Country B will likely know about it and take it’s own preemptive strike against country A.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh

            I don’t know what you mean “or what Berhe”.

            I think I understand what preemptive strike entails. My point is, regardless who takes it (country A or Country B) it’s not legal according the SC. But if that happens, the country that’s the victim of the attack, can inform SC to take action or failing so it can or others (her allies) can respond as they see fit.

            Off course, like everything else that’s not legal and Simone violates it, countries who can and get away do so. But depending on the interests of the SC and their allies they choose to take different measures.

            So if one chose to take preemptive strike (as TPLF did against Eritrea) they can’t cry “SC” if Eritrea chose to respond and that’s all legal.

            Eritrea issue is, I think:

            1) it did not inform the SC
            2) it should be limited to appropriate response without violating the rules of engagement

          • Saleh Johar

            Berhe,
            PFDJ cannot complain because it was already engaged in Ethiopia. But we don’t have to agree on the actions and their timings. It takes times until that’s conclusively determined.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Saleh Johar. You say that the PFDJ was already engaged in Ethiopia?Before missile were launched? Are you referring to on-ground troops and if so, could you kindly provide details on dates and reference source? Thanks!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Saleh,

            Yes we don’t have to agree and I agree that we need to wait until it’s determined. But couple of things:

            1) I never said anything about PFDJ. The missiles were shot not specific to PFDJ homes and offices but to Eritrea.
            2) I think the complain and ጠንቀላዕላዕ: ዝአኽለን ጥሒነን በኣላ ማርያም ይብላ is coming from the other side.

          • Saleh Johar

            Yes Berhe,
            But focusing on the missile attacks and forgetting what was happening since the aukesernan drama, the threats and bravado of Abiy and Isaias should not be seen lightly. But now we have an ongoing war where unimaginable destruction and bloodshed is happening. I think that deserves our focus it will be years before pertinent courts pass the verdict trying the case in the way we are doing it is waste of time. That’s my view. Thanks.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            Yes I agree.

          • Peace!

            Hi Berhino,

            TPLF was ousted by popular uprising; the rest, it is TPLF’s willful war adventure, period. And the pre-emptive talking point is nonsense given Tigray is not even a country. Shenkolel Zedliyo Guday Aikonen

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Peace,

            I think they know it, the rest is like you said ጻዕረ ሞት:: ግዜ ዘፈርዶ ሓቂ የለን: ክንርኢ እንዲና::

          • Peace!

            Berhino,

            ንገሌኦም ድሓን ሸለል ኣዝዘሎም ኣብ ከቢድ ሓዘን እዮም ዘለው ብልብኻ ሕሰም ኣይትርከቡ ኢልካ ሕልፍ በሎም:)

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Just one correction. Preemptive attack is not only applicable in wars between two countries. It is a tactic in a military war of any type to foil the strategy of your enemy before they start it. Case in a point EPLF foiled the strategy of the Ethiopian army in the well known Nakfa front in 1984 (?). So liberation fronts do apply it when necessary.

            Regard

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe,

            The preemptive issue was brought up by Dongolo to justify Eritrea’s participation/action in Tigray. He refers to “open threats”. So, as UN member state, Eritrea is in theory subject to the UN Charters in that regard. TPLF’s missal attacks appear to be in response to an active military operations in Tigray. The NC attack is not subject to UN laws in those regards. Otherwise, Hamid I Awate should have gone to UNSC before the first bullet:-)

        • iSem

          Hi Dongolo and Haile TG:
          guys can we please talk about Eritrea internal matters? Whatever ATPLF did to Eritrea or Eritrea did to TPLF and Tigray is not internal.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dongolo,

          If UN do not support conflicts (wars) between member states, how do you expect them to support preemptive attack – a tactical war attack to foil the eminent attack that is coming from their enemy? Wars are prepared before it is erupted. You have seen the preparation of the war by Abiy and Issayas against Tigray government.

          Once the preparation is finished, no one knows how the war will erupt, except the warring governments. Isayas and Abiy started to move and maneuver their armies to the borders and encircled the former Ethiopian state (Tigray), to block it from any movement. At this point it doesn’t matter who started the first fire bullet. There was no ways to stop Abiy’s conspiratorial war. Therefore, the Tigray government had one option only, in that dire situation; and that was, to preemptively attack the NC, in order to capture the entire military hardwares, to defend the existence of Tigray people and Tigray state.

          The UN knew what was coming before the war erupted, and warned them to de-escalate their war rhetorics. But the confident Abiy and his alliance wanted to finish the war in three months, and launched a full blown war of atrocities from all sides. The rest is history. So Dongolo, once they are in an atmospheric war with all its propaganda, it doesn’t matter who started it, because Abiy and his allies wanted the war. But ironically he is in a war without exit from it, and he will be mentally burned from a task being unprepared to govern a multicultural society. Ethiopia is a brink of disintegration. Tigray will inevitably secede, the Oromia might follow, and who knows the remaining. Abiy can not save it from the inevitable and there are no hopeful individuals in the horizon to stop the inevitable in front of our eyes.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. The TPLF is a vexing conundrum that needs to be officially designated by the U.N and U.S. as a terrorist organization ( actually the U.S. did so long ago). It pretends to act like an independent nation state and demands to be treated as such, for which it clearly is not, whilst it carries out treasonous and terrorist activities. In regards to Eritrea, the answer had always been clear in that all the TPLF needed to do was to withdraw from Badme.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Isn’t Badme under the control of EDF currently? If it is, why do we need to go beyond our border at the cost of our children. Remember, there are reports, even now, that four brigades from EDF are fighting in the Beghemider area around Dabat town. What for Dongolo?

            Second, whether we like it or not, Tigray, the former state of Ethiopia will secede. You sure know that the international community did not support our cause and our struggle until we defeat the Ethiopian army. When the balance of power on the ground changed the international community came slowly to recognize through the outcome of our referendum. The same thing can happen with the people of Tigray. The empire will not survive by force and coercion. There is no appetite with the Tigrians to stay with the union, after all the atrocities they have faced. So let us stay tuned and be realistic. It is not what we Eritreans want, it all depend on the desire of Tigray people.

            Regard

          • Peace ToAll

            Selam AH,
            I’m afraid no one will secede, except the ANKOBERITES will be an island among the federalist forces resulting into no man’s territory.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awate Community,

    Here is a conference for “ ghedli science & technology”. I envy on the unity of Tigrian academician and professionals, their efforts to organize for science and technology, to transform their “country” on the ashes of the invader’s war. Where are the educated Eritreans? Can we think and prepare along those lines, to transform our country after the demise of the despotic regime? I like the concept “ghedli science &yechnology.”
    ዘይቀንእ አይወለድ።

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyEPmRPCuQ

    Regard

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. ‘Ethiopians do not seem to believe that the UNHCR was not aware of registered Ethiopian refugees in Sudan taking part in the war in Ethiopia and taking military training in Sudan’.
    https://borkena.com/2021/09/10/ethiopians-reject-unhcr-position-about-whereabouts-of-tplf-refugees-in-sudan/

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    A message of holidays from President Joe Biden:

    Jill and I send our best wishes for a happy new year to all the people of Ethiopia and Eritrea, and all those around the world celebrating Enkutatash tomorrow, including hundreds of thousands of Americans with Ethiopian or Eritrean heritage.

    Ethiopian-Americans and Eritrean-Americans are vital to every aspect of the life of our nation—enriching communities all across the United States—and I know the past year has been difficult for many of you. In addition to the pain and loss caused by COVID-19, the ongoing conflict in Ethiopia may be directly affecting your families and loved ones. We are all deeply concerned by the reports of violence against civilian populations in Ethiopia, and my Administration is engaging in robust diplomacy with our partners throughout the region to peacefully resolve conflicts in the Horn of Africa. I also recognize and appreciate the direct contributions many of you make to strengthen peace and prosperity in the region as members of the Ethiopian and Eritrean Diaspora.

    The United States has a deep and long-lasting commitment to the people of the Horn of Africa. We will continue to speak out against violence and the inhumane treatment of any group of people, and we will continue our support for addressing humanitarian needs in the region. We believe Ethiopia, a great and diverse nation, can overcome its current divisions and resolve the ongoing conflict, beginning with a negotiated ceasefire. Building peace will not be easy, but it can and must begin now with dialogue and by seeking unity in our common humanity.

    Melkam Addis Amet to all those celebrating. And I pray this New Year may usher forth peace, reconciliation, and healing for families and communities across Ethiopia, Eritrea, and worldwide.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate Forum friends

    ኣብ ጎኒ ሰራዊትና ኢና? ብልክዕ ኣንታይ ማለትና ኢና?

    ( What do we exactly mean when we say we are with EDF?)
    By FaNus Network- Yoel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZrthhN7mws

    • haileTG

      Selamat Brhan!

      That was a good question for reflection. In fact, we need not only contact a sibling who is trapped in indefinite NS, but also many others. Those who are disabled and can no longer provide for themselves but to live by begging. Those parents, siblings, children, husband/wives, who are no longer to see their loved one’s due to the senseless wars of the regime. The lives ruined, children orphaned, families scattered, properties destroyed. Yes, let’s call all victims and tell them I support you. I supported what you went through and I would support it all over again! This is a case of people extremely blinded by fear and hatred. No doubt, some are finding themselves in this unwillingly (people like Berhe) but others revel in it thinking they are doing something worthwhile. Some are trapped by guilt because the regime has used them in compromising ways and its survival delays the day of reckoning for them. There is a difference between “EDF” and “the EDF”. EDF should be all of us in theory and principle. But “the EDF” we are referring to is not accountable, constitutional or peaceful. It is the opposite, its top leaders are designated offenders and as an organization it has been found to be responsible for heinous crimes of war, crimes against humanity and now wars of invasion where the main protagonists are talking up genocide. “the EDF” that we speak of is not something I would want to send my child to. Who would enroli their child in a crime syndicate to guard a dangerous mad man? I believe that many would see the logic if their mortal fear of TPLF was somehow to be alleviated from them.

      • Brhan

        Selamat haileTG
        Thanks for the comment and particularly for :
        “EDF should be all of us in theory and principle”
        True!

      • Ismail AA

        Selam haile TG,

        Thank you. You have spoken for me, too. You have elaborated a point I tried to impress on Dongolo and Berhe earlier but couldn’t. It is overdue doubters and well-wishers should be persuded that there is huge difference between a security-cum-army organized and empowered to protect a dictator and his regime and one legally constituted to safeguard a country and its citizens.

        • Mez

          Dear Ismail AA,
          your input on differetiating between: 1) “security-cum-army organized and empowered to protect a DICTATOR…”,
          2) “one legally constituted to safeguard a country and its citizens”.

          The two above statements looks very fundamental, and important. Due to the political outlook diversity, and the histry of strong overtone in solving differences using gun (to solve virually any difference), the civil war in our region seems to be perpetuated indefinitely (or is going to take more time, death, and suffering to the region.)

          I think moving one tier down and discussing at the level of policies (economic, social, health, security,…) may yield better insight into complexities of issues you tried to address.
          Thanks

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Mez,
            Happy New Year to you.

            The apparently intractable crises that have befallen Ethiopia (and Eritrea as well) is grounded in the absence of rationally streamlined contractual system that should have transcended the existing varieties of diversity. Actually, I do not think the problem lies in the existence of diversity, and asymmetry of interests, thereof per se. The current adversity or ordeal is what the missed opportunities had produced. That is to say, although the conditions that existed on the morrow of the fall of the Derg, and the way succession was worked out can be rationally comprehended, the duration it took to guide the ethno-centric arrangement to a more democratic contract had engendered lack of a means or political to address asymmetric interests diversity embraces except resort to the use of the gun as you have pointed out. Mez, the situation does not really look rosy, and the cost could be much more drastic beyond a casual observer may imagine.

        • Dongolo

          Selam Ismail AA. You’re missing the point. One does not need to demonize our EDF, while at the same time glorify and defend the TPLF (inc TDF), as a some here relentlessly try. One can totally disagree (or agree) with PIA’s decision to deploy EDF in Tigray without humiliating and marginalizing our brothers and sisters in the EDF.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Ismail,

          I don’t know exactly what is that I don’t agree with you. HaileTG has his own reason and intentions for why he wanted EDF destroyed, which I disagree with wholeheartedly.

          Dear Ismail I do not disagree and I have no problem differentiating between a well trained and well paid professional army and an army that’s entirely made up of national service recruits who most of them are there without their own choice.

          Here is a question that I want you to ponder and what are Eritrea’s choices with or without IA:

          1) There is a region / kilil called Tigray which is armed and have more fire and military power more than the Ethiopian federal government. According to a Tigraian person that I met in a party before the war (Debretsion has recruited over half a million militia) in Tigray anticipating any war (read Abiy /IA).
          TPLF displayed its firepower and its army in the prade it displayed.

          Here is Jawar Mohammed describing the situation before the war.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/comments/k499eu/jawar_mohammed_interview_on_the_tplf_vs_pp/

          2) Suppose this war went in favour of TPLF, with half a million army and having all the military hardware, firepower at its disposal.

          TPLF in the past, during and even in the future have made it clear that EDF needs to be destroyed (so it doesn’t become a threat to Tigray, so they say). They don’t even hide this intention and it’s in their manual of things that needs to be done. Melles said it, the Americans (Susan Rice said in 2000, Eritrea should be denied to raise money from the diaspora so it doesn’t have the capacity to retain its army. Then and she waited 9 years until she come to power under Obama administration to implement the sanctions that would reduce Eritrea capacity to retain her military.) and the current TDF leaders are saying it (Getachew Reda, including Awate resident T.Kifke).

          3) What’s Eritrea suppose to do when we have next door who is arming to its teeth and we have the luxuries to talk about having a professional army (made up of few thousands that’s all we can afford) and Eritrea becomes at its mercy. Who are they to tell us, what we should have an army and it’s capabilities should be. I agree it should not pose a threat to them, how about the threat they pose to us. Are they the security council of East Africa ?

          4) We know what TPLF is capable of. What they did in Somalia in 2006 is a very good example. (Note: Although I supported at the time, thinking there was real threat and Eritrea was using Somalia as proxy to weaken Ethiopia, but I have changed my beliefs since.)

          It created havoc in Somalia for many thousands and thousands of innocent families including women and children, displacement, death and destruction. No one advocated the Somali people because the TPLF and their western media allies sold successfully the case, as Ethiopia a Christian country chasing Islamic terrorists AlShibab who has ties with Alqaida, as a partner in the war on terror.).

          4) Now let’s go a bit further and see what happened to us and Tigray. During Yohannes, where he inherited army from the British after the fall of Tedros and what his army was doing. Didn’t we have Alula and his army invaded us and ruled us and dictated us. What Eritrean has fond memories of that time? They (TPLF and their supporters, knowing and unknowingly) trying to bring that time and that glory, by destroying EDF.
          If Eritrea is not capable of defending herself and they have the capacity to do as they wish (as they did in Somalia) do you think anyone can stop them?

          5) You can call this as fear mongering or that I am afraid etc. Well, I would rather know and have the guarantee and capability of my own people and my own government and my own army than depending or taking the words of a regime that is incapable of keeping its words. In short, I support Eritrea to have a strong army which will be a deterring factor for any crazy adventure that comes from anywhere south of the boarder (be it Tigray, Amhara, Oromo warlords).

          6) I was just listening to parts of General Bacha interview in Walta TV., where he talks about the war in 2000. He said he was stationed in Bure / Asseb front and telling what happened there.

          I had listened a story of an Eritrean who participated in that war at AAN media named Kemal Ali. He tells the story and tells vividly what the EDF had to go through to defend Eritrea. It’s long but we’ll worth your time.

          So when I think about EDF, I think the people like Kemal and many others like them who paid and continue to pay with their lives and limbs to have a country called Eritrea. These young Eritreans are not there to defend the power of IA and guarding his power. They all know, despite all the problems with the regime, there is this hungry wolf who is harping around our home waiting to grab the little chicken. (People like HaileTG wanted to destroy the gate that’s keeping him at bay and at times invite him to come and take what ever he selects and chooses).

          https://youtu.be/0AARMZ-Z2pc

          7) I see Eritrea beyond IA and PFDJ. Even in future Eritrea after PFDJ, Eritrea needs to continue its national service (just like South Korea and many others do, who live with hostile neighbour) but bring it to the standard it deserves.

          8) And finally (I know what those pro TPLF will drag this comments will be), I don’t support IA and his adventures in Tigray or any other part of the world. I only support EDF that is setup to protect and safeguard Eritrea territories and interests (even if it means removing a threat or defending itself, so long as it’s done according international rules and regulations and done so with the legal boundaries of self defence). I also believe, any member of EDF or government official to be accountable if accused and charged of wrong doings.

          Sorry for the long reply.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Ustaz Berhe,

            I hope you have not mistaken my comments as I am engaging with you to argue a controversy or dispute with you. You might remember that I have shared my appreciation of the vantage point from which you are looking at the issue of the EDF. I do respect that and your views. I am sure you understand that those young Eritreans are our own sons and daughters who have fallen easy prey to a monster´s ego. Each one of us, as Eritreans, suffered from the pains our sons and daughters have been enduring.

            Thus, all I wanted to share is that we should not be cheated by the despots false rationale that he has been sending our young to slaughter houses of his endless wars in order to keep us safe from an enemy called the TPLF or the Woyane, as he cynically refers to them, as though he had not conspired in the past in concert with then against his own compatriots when they had served his needs.

            So, dear Berhe, it is time for us to know that the despot is the sole cause of all the problems our youth and people are facing, He is the one who has been creating right and left enemies for us and keeping us hostage to his whim and lust.

            With due appreciation for you time to come up with such extended comments,

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Ismail,

            I do understand where you are coming from and I do appreciate your measured and balanced views.

            I do agree if the discussion we are having specific Eritrean and among us Eritreans, then I agree the problem is the dictatorship at home.

            Do you feel that we have the guarantee from our neighbors they don’t mean any harm to our well being and to our existence?

            Let me use the example of our neighbors across the sea, Yemen.

            Regardless the problems they are having internally and among themselves, how the country and the people have become a playing field for their powerful neighbors.

            Do you think if Yemen had a strong military those neighbors can venture in her backyard with their destructive exercise and get away with it?

            I don’t see any sincerity from those who advocate for the eradication of EDF all together so they can walk in as they wish.

            No body can make an argument definitively that the same EDF is incapable of removing the dictator, as I am sure there are many within it that are capable of it.

            I would rather bet on those elements rather than that foreign entity who no body can guess how far they can go.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Ustaz Berhe,

            First, let me respectfully ask you to bear with me. Nobody, neither I or any other, is calling for “eradication” of the EDF. I suggest this is not a fitting word to use. How can I or any compatriot with a sane mind advocate eradication of a force that comprises our own sons and daughters? What is being debated is simply to impress primarily on ourselves, and by extension on members of the EDF that time has arrived to break out of the dilemma of the despot’s criminal ploy he had concocted to make our people believe he has been sending our kids to perennial slaughter houses of war theatres ostensibly to protect us from an enemy created to serve his own hermetic and diabolic aims.

            Furthermore, I think we all should agree that the only safe guarantee we should seek is one guarantying ourselves by ourselves. Not any other outside force whatever that may be. But in order to do that, we must empower ourselves as a nation. This cannot be done without enabling us to barricading ourselves behind contractually established legitimate national institutions. One product of these is a national defense force. Briefly stated, hence, we should not rely on something or someone we do not own and mandate through legal warranty to act as guarantee or a safeguard against foreign invasion, which the EDF as it stands now would not qualify for. The reason is because it was designed and equipped to serve the interest of a ruthless despot and his regime. This being the realities, thus, there is no legal or professional obligation that oblige the EDF to guarantee our security internally or externally. The nation does not simply own it. It is the despot who own it. We cannot hope our national security needs can be obtained from a force which we do not own. Please, mark my words: I am not arguing to throw the burden on the poor conscripts; I am just discussing the essence of the realities of the matter.

            Therefore, what we as a nation should first be thinking about is ending the pain of our youth by appealing to them to help themselves and their people to realize and be aware of where the source of their pain and that of their nation lies. Once they do, they will summon patriotic obligation as an organized formation who possess the tools that can enable them to free themselves from the false duty the despot and his regime have imposed on them. The can then use the tools the despot has put in their hands to enable them serve him to perpetuate his power. They should make good of their regimented formation and weapons in their hands to do what morality and conscience would perfectly permit. They can take an initiative(s) as one of their own known as Ali Hijay had done. Simply stated, thus, the EDF must come back to be our own; we should have our sons and daughter back. Under the circumstances, the force that can make this to happen is the EDF itself. Let us not prolong the pain of the EDF members by taking the trap the despot and his have created as fait accompli which has led our mainstream thinking to the fatalistic realms.

            As to the sad situation in Yemen, and its causes, I think you and I know it was dictatorships and misrules that opened the path for those who are destroying the country. What Isayas did to us, had Ali Saleh Abdalla, and others before him had done to Yemen. It is despotism and misrules stupide, dear Berhe.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selma Ismailo,

            If this explanation with its elements, and above all your humility and respect (despite their irritating vocabularies) could not make it understandable the issue at hand, for these guys, then nothing can make them to understand the ordeal of our youth in particular and the Eritrean people in general. The despot and his enablers are good at creating imaginaries enemies. Ismailo, thank you for this magnificent entry that reflects the views of many of us in this forum.

            Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Ismail,

            I am sorry for the late reply. I wanted to read and respond to your thoughtful comment but I think it will be reputition. I do agree when I used the word “eradicate” I do not mean that you specifically you meant it in that way. It’s true may be the word is not used exactly, but I would disagree with you that that the words that is used to describe by other Eritreans is any better. There is no point dwelling on it, but you will see and observe for your self. The last exchange I had with HaileTG is the characterization of Eritrea and it’s defence force in this war…..with “genocidal intention”, but I do leave to your own judgement the masked and hidden messages and it’s intentions.

            I am glad to hear that you also believe that we should be responsible for ourselves and our affairs. I am not trying to put words in your mouth but that’s exactly why I disgree with any well meaning Eritreans and those with other plans, advocating “alliance with TPLF” to destroy EDF.

            I do agree that EDF needs to free itself from the grip of the despot. And I think, we those in diaspora, should be a helping hands to those inside to create the country that we need.

          • haileTG

            Selam Berhe, Bruk Awdeamet!

            One observation and one question:

            Observation: how do you know “intentions”? Isn’t the entire catalog of current Eritrean misery justified because PFDJ decided that all its victims had bad “intentions”? I take you, Ismail… on your word, not intentions. The only way to figure out intentions is as a Tenquwalay:-) That is my moxi department of Zars and qole:) please point me where I made statements about EDF that is not corroborated.

            Question: Do you support the inate economic activity of Eritreans when you support Eritrean Economy or the PFDJ controlled Red Sea corporation that has disabled all economic life of the country? The same with EDF under PFDJ, Eritreans don’t need to support such an entity but be responsible to defend their kind and nation in anyway they can.

            P.S. if TPLF is as powerful and determined as you make it out, the current EDF is the poorest form of defense against it. You need to argue for an authentic and patriotic EDF. The current one could even become a main threat to peace after IA because it isn’t professional and not based on willing participants.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            Ruhus awdamet to you as well.

            I can give you many example about their intentions but what’s the point. Let’s agree I am wrong.

            I sleep better knowing that if and when anything happens we are capable of protecting ourselves that’s all.

            I don’t know how many times I have to repeat that PFDJ needs to be gone and all aspects of its control in the country.

            Then we will fix all the problems in our country including the problem within EDF. Why is this so hard to grasp. ንመን ክሕሾ ኢልና ኢና ኢድና ማይ ዓሚቅና ንጽበ : ንሳቶም ሓዊ ስጋብ ዓንቀሮም (እንተዝኾነሎም) ተሓንጊጦም:: ርእናዮም እካ ኢና እንተኺኢሎም እንታይ ክገብሩ ከም ዝኽእሉ::

    • Dongolo

      Selam Brhan. Is there anyone arguing that the EDF has been constitutionally ratified? No, of course not! The real point of contention is that on on Eritrean opposition website, many here are endlessly demonizing our EDF while at the same time glorifying and defending the TPLF (inc. TDF). Do you believe that this instills trust and confidence amongst the Eritrean opposition? Of course not, so why do it? It is simply counterproductive and raises suspicion of motive.

      • Brhan

        Hi Dongolo,
        You are out of context, and I believe this is because you have not listened to the episode presented in clear Tigrinya. The episode’s context is something and what you are talking about is something else.
        Context is essential to discuss a subject. I think you missed the context and this could be to no knowledge of the medium, in this case, Tigrinya. Am I right?

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Eritrea a revolving door for mercenaries? Neither the EDF or Somalis are mercenaries with regards to terrorist TPLF induced Tigray matters. With regards to Somalia, quite a few Presidents and Ministers have also spent quite a bit of time in Eritrea.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Even a simpleton can quickly identify the crass strategy of TPLF sympathizers to attack & discredit EDF to pave way for a an easy TPLF invasion of Eritrea. Only in your LSD induced dreams, cuz it ain’t never gonna happen in real life.

  • Brhan

    ሰላማት ጀማዓ
    ርሑስ ዓውደ ዓመት ይግበረልኩም!

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Dr. Debretsion G/Michael’s Geez New Year speech had some new things:

    1 – After the last uproar by Tigrayans the last time when he was speaking with FDRE flag, this time the flag was missing. Only Tigray regional govt or TPLF flag was in the background.

    2 – He indirectly addressed MY recent controversial interview on TMH by stating that differences of opinion in issues concerning Tigray are valid. Except those from “Banda” who sided with “enemies”. However, at this time he said commitment to defend Tigrayan identity from “genocide” is priority.

    3 – He re-iterated that Tigray govt holds IA, Eritrean government and EDF as a whole responsible for the damages caused as a result of the Eritrean invasion of Tigray.

    • Haile S.

      Selam MoKsi,

      I am now convinced that you must be endowed with a divinatory power or you must possess the most powerful Amulet to read TPLF’s draft, hours before the ceremonial speech is pronounced. A sniffing ability more powerful than the Tekezze river crocodiles who let TPLF Mgbey brigade cross the river on their back, but devours TPLF enemies between thier ~100 teeth.

      Hurrah! at first read, I understood your “MY recent interview” as yours and I said to myself, that is the reason iSem loves Mehari Yohannes, but it didn’t last long! That would have solved part of my current preoccupations 😁.

      • Abi

        ሊቀመኳስ
        Some speech writers just can’t keep secrets.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Moxi,

        PFDJ usually hand’s out utility bill arrears just before holiday like Qudus Yohannes. As such a bill is usually in the thousands, it throws a spanner in the works for the holiday budget and ruin the day. Sheep is downgraded to chicken and faces get gloomy, until the holiday proper where PFDJ shuts off the lights and the water service too. Now, you are showing up for your rent just a day before QY?? Have you no better sense than the PFDJ as I shared. I thought you wouldn’t show up this week:-)

        • Haile S.

          MoKsi,

          Forget sacrificing sheep or chicken. It is old fashioned. Sacrificing prickly peer (በለስ ምሕራድ) is à la mode. You saw it at shabait the other week!

          I have a gift for you. The prickly peer reminded me of this amazing EBC program. Happy qudus yohannes!

          https://youtu.be/lL6slw65cuQ
          https://youtu.be/lzHGa4zGVk0

          • haileTG

            Thanks Moxi,

            I sat down and reflected about the upgrade/downgrade of QY from Carnivorism to vegetarianism. Then it occurred to me that given PFDJ’s movement is always from plenty to scarce, why not go all the way and embrace breatharian? 🙂

          • Haile S.

            ሞኽሲ፡

            ግደፈኒ ከይሓመካ፡ ስግንጥሪዝም ኣይተዕልለኒ.

            If I recall right, one of the first factories the Italians built when they occupied Massawa was ice generator. Now after a century, instead of developing this sector and transport the fish from there to the highland, the plans that we hear is to promote fish farming in the various ponds. I am not saying the later is not necessary, but the former could have been given priority.

          • haileTG

            Hey Moksi…

            Come on! While having a long marine territory, to waste time on fishing from man made ponds is not only unnecessary but crazy as it gets. Do you know there is hardly any fish in Massawa restaurants?

            Anyway, Rhus Qudus Yowhannes to you and family – here is ቃለ ቡራኬ from Abona ብፁዕ ወቅዱስ ቀዳማዊ ቄርሎስ ፭ይ ፓትርያርክ ወርእሰ ሊቃነ ጳጳሳት ዘኦርቶዶክስ ተዋህዶ ቤተክርስቲያን ኤርትራ

            “እንቋዕ ካብ ፳፻፲ወ፫/2013 ዓመተ ምሕረት ዘመነ ማቴዎስ ወንጌላዊ፡ ናብ ፳፻፲ወ፬/2014 ዘመነ ማርቆስ ዜናዊ፡ ብደሓነ ሰላም ኣብጸሓናን ኣብጸሓኩም”

            https://www.shabait.com

          • Haile S.

            Selam MoKsi,

            የኣባይ ልጅ ውሃ ጠማው፡ የኤርትራ ልጅ ዓሳ ራበው፡ ይላሉ የኣቢ ዘመዶች።

            MoKsi, avoid doing the antipode of the regime😁. Yes, with ~1000km of sea, priority should be to pelagic fish. But freshwater fish are also necessary for the pond’s life, the life of the fish eating birds and other animals as well as humans. There are nutritional differences between pelagic and freshwater fish. I know we are far from such preferences.

            I saw the message with the splendidly dressed image of the Abune. Why do religious leaders adore mundane decor? I personally like the yellow thick garment of the monks.

            Who is ማርቆስ ዜናዊ btw? ትደልይኦ’ሞ ይዝንግዓክን!

          • Dongolo

            Selam Haile S. Aquaculture potential in Eritrea, such as pond and cage culture, is really more focused on saline and brackish water rather than on freshwater application.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam haile TG and Haile S’
            Just curious. Would you like to enlighten me what “ዘመነ ማቴዎስ ወንጌላዊ” and “ዘመነ ማርቆስ ዜናዊ” denote. My interest is on the “zenawi” and “wengelawi”.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Ismail, Happy Qudus Yohannes!

            A very good question because moxi thought the church is trying to cannonize MZ:-)

            Mathew, who is one of the 4 first evangelists, who died possibly in Ethiopia (according some historical relic), was a first hand witness of Jesus and his named disciple. He was also reputed as spending time preaching to the Jews in Judea. Hence the evangelist or Wengelawi.

            Now here is a slightly confusing part, Markos who was Jesus’ apostle is not the same as Markos who wrote the book of Mark in the 4 gospels of the New Testament. The latter was only a writer and was not eye witness. He also finds himself in church leaders cross-hairs because he describes Jesus as a man with a lot of spritual powers but doesn’t include much about his resurrection, except that an empty tomb was found. He also says people called Jesus son of God and he was merely doing messianic work.

            The church included the book of Mark as additional corroboration of Jesus’ existence, but when it comes to authority, it only takes Mathew, Luke and John. The church is serious about making the distinction, hence it refers to Mathew as wengelawi and Markos the zenawi – who wrote one of the gospels almost 70 years after (or a bit less) of the events.

            Hope this gives some background. So, the two terms are added to serve those distinction.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam haile TG and Haile S,

            I am very grateful for the time you spared to answer my question. You have filled a gab in my knowledge with commendable grace. In spite of my exposure to substantial information during my college years about the history of the Orthodox Church in Ethiopia, and the doctrinal controversies that were rampant before the reign of Emperor Yohannes IV, I have not read or heard anything about the issues I raised in my question.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail, & MoKsi

            “I just read HTG’s beautiful response, but I will keep my response as I originally prepared.”

            ማቴዎስ ወንጌላዊ and ማርቆስ ወንጌላዊ are known terminologies that I will try contribute my Maria Theresa (coin) on further below.

            But ዜናዊ ? It is my first time to hear or read that to a man of Gospel. I am convinced that it is HTG’s nostalgia-born neologism. Since the day he got a scoop about Debretzion’s new year message before it was delivered, he is dreaming on how to win over EDF. You know the “we must win slogan ክንስዕር ኣሎና” that has devastated us for centuries. You must have noticed, that the ringing-bell’s call against IA&Co was elevated to against the whole EDF (didn’t you realize many added their Maria Theresa yesterday?). Hopefully, it won’t be elevated against the whole Eritrean population tomorrow. Therefore; he is trying to resuscitate Meles Zenawi either to do the job or just boost the moral, thus ማርቆስ ዜናዊ. Let me give a benefit of doubt to my MoKsi: may be he is confused because his teaching come from protestantism, tewahdoism and jewism (see his avatar), thus he thought ዜናዊ was gospelian!

            Now to the substance! Gospel or ወንጌል is a terminology used in spreading Jesus’s teaching that can be summed upon by his famous words “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” ወንጌል refers strictly to the four teachings or gospels or books ማቴዊስ፡ ማርቆስ፡ ዮሓንስ፡ ሉቃስ, but some religious people use gospel to denote other books as well.

            ወንጌል (évangile ኤቫንጂል in french) is derived from the original word as explained below in amharic wikipedia:
            ወንጌል የሚለው ቃል (ከላቲን evangelium / ኢቫንጄሊየም, ይህም ራሱ ከጥንት የግሪክ ቃል εὐαγγέλιον / ኧውጄሊዮን = አስደሳች መልዕክት) ከሚለው የተገኘ ቃል ነው። ወንጌል ለሰው ልጆች ሁሉ የሆነ መልካም የምሥራች ነው፡፡ የንስሐ፣ የመፍትሄ፣ የሰላም፣ የፍቅር፣ የተስፋ፣ የደኅንነት፣ የእርቅ፣ ከፍርድ የመዳን፣ የዘላለም ሕይወት፣ ትምህርት የሚገኝበት ቅዱስ መጽሐፍ ነው፡፡

            Gospel, from etymology online dictionary:
            Old English godspel “glad tidings announced by Jesus; one of the four gospels,” literally “good spell,” from god “good” + spel “story,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-S,

            Hailat, your logic as to what will come next on your critics doesn’t work for those of us who know Issayas and how he built his army. ብንሓልዮት ውድብ እንዳተባህለ ዝተሃንጸ ሰራዊት፣ ንሓልዮት ህዝብን ሃገርን ክቃለስ አይክእልን እዩ። እቲ ሰራዊት ናይ አተሓሳስባ ዳግመ ህንጸት ከይተገብረሉ ንህዝቢን ሃገርን ክቃለስ አይክእልን እዩ። If the army was built to defend the Eritrean people from the despotic regime and to defend the sovereignty of our country, you wouldn’t see Eritreans to become refugees everywhere in the world, you wouldn’t see Eritreans to die in a war of adventurism, you wouldn’t see the Lampadusa tragic death of Eritreans, you wouldn’t see 362 prison houses in Eritrea… and so many. Ironically all these evil acts on our people are done by the the military and security apparatus of the regime. Unless you are condoning what is happening to our people, the realities on the ground are crystal clear as to who is culprit on the fate of our people.

            Regard

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            I don’t condone the persistent call ሕቖኦም ክንሰብሮም ኣለና aimed at Eritreans but changes its cover all the time and I don’t condon what is happening to our people. All these are perpetuated by gullible leaders with a zeal for lust over others.

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat

            Thanks for this educational piece. More of that, and less of picking a fight with your mokhsi please. He literally shared a shabait story, and provided the link for it and you are accusing him of inventing ማርቆስ ዜናዊ when it is in the shabait news-piece. No comprende what’s going on with our forum.

            saay

          • haileTG

            Hey saay,

            I rent in one of his apartments, it is his way of trying to get me out of the rental contract. I have the paperwork and he ain’t increasing rent or pushing me out:-)

            Otherwise, why would you think he ignored the issue of the 5th pope while the church of Orthodox consecrated pope is still alive and in sound mind? 🤔

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saay, MoKsi & all

            Saay, you came at the right time. I will explain. First on shabait. Here you have the proof that I don’t read shabait as seriously as I appear doing. The exception is when it writes about the Eritrean gazelle (Heuglin’s gazelle), the eritrean turtle, the eritrean frog, the eritrean lizard coming back after liberation.

            Sorry MoKsi, I will try to read shabait as seriously as you do. Anyway thank you for the trampoline!

            You (Saay) came at the right time when I was planning to paste a link to Berhanu Nega’s intervention saying ‘what it is that we want out of the country we say we belong to? What it is we want Ethiopia to be in the future?’ & …..
            Asking the same question on Eritrea is in order.
            Please have a listen (8 minutes):
            https://youtu.be/qr_i11agvO0

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            My difference with Berhanu Negas is on (a) timing of the question (he says Ethiopians should be asking the question after the war, when in fact it is one of the causes of the war which should be the question asked in lieu of the war and (b) his answer, citizenship, is simplistic and very Western: it assumes people who have been subjects all their lives and have a word for “king” but not a “President” or “prime minister” actually know what citizenship entails.

            It’s similar for Eritrea. I attended a meeting today as to why we allowed arrests and disappearances in the 1990s and I had a multifolded answer and one of them we don’t know the true definition of citizenship. Just like our Ethiopian neighbors.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Good to see you back to engage in a debate. Despite our debates are at times frustrating by deviation and branching, and at another time by digressing in to personal attacks, there are always lessons we share from each other.

            Now back to your point on the issue of “citizenship” and l might add to it “individualism,” for they are the highest elements of democratic ideals. They are directly proportional to the degrees of citizen’s consciousness. For societies (like Ethiopia and Eritrea) who do not have the basic democratic exercises and understandings, and who do not understand about institutes and institutionalism, it will be a wrong political departure to include the concept of citizenship and individualism, to include in the political orientation of our citizens. First and foremost we have a society of followers who do not understand their basic rights – a society who doesn’t know their rights and obligations, and things that goes with it.

            Politics is about pragmatism – about what works with the consciousness of our societies, creating and opening ground for progress and development that eventually elevate the consciousness of the society incrementally. What our people need at this critical time and may be for decades to come, it is to understand the basic democratic process, rights and obligations, understand about institute and institutionalism, understand about constitution and constitutionalism – the basic function of a state in order to check the governing body.

            Regard

          • iSem

            Hi Saay:
            Are you then saying if society understands the notion of citizenship
            then disappearance and arrest and murders will disappear?
            If that is the case we have an anomaly during Abud and Numier dictatorship there were isolated disappearances and murders but I do not think Sudanese are well versed in citizenship, And if they were then Bashir may have snatched it.
            If Eritreans were not versed in citizenship then ELF was alien org according to this logic or EPLF has snatched it. Because arrests and killing are uniquely EPLF/PFDJ/IA
            I have a different theory: Every society has its psychopaths and when these people seize power they create sociopathes and they do their things, regardless of the society’s civic knowledge of citizenship
            The professor, the educated then rubs shoulders with these people and forgets his duty and “we” allow the heinous crimes. A Harvard professor, a journalist professor, a math prof know citizenship but he keeps it for himself. He loves his freedom but keeps it for himself
            A psychopath is created while sociopath is made. But they do the same thing.

          • haileTG

            Hey iSem,

            Apology for jumping before saay! It is a nice logical fallacy question and hard to resist.

            The disappearances, arrests and murders will not disappear but the resistance against it would be effective. So, where the logical fallacy occurred, IMHO, was that the connection saay made is from A implies B and doesn’t necessarily mean B implies A too. All men grow beard doesn’t imply all those with beard are men. Goats have them for example:-)

          • saay7

            Selamat iSem The Contrarian:

            “Are you then saying if society understands the notion of citizenship then disappearance and arrest and murders will disappear?”

            No.

            Have a great Sunday!

            Longer answer:

            I am saying I was answering the question why didn’t we speak when the Jehovahs Witness, the “Jihadists”, the Jeberti Activists, the Jebha leadership were arrested in the early-mid 1990s. In fact I remember back then the joke was Isaias hates the alphabet J. One of the reasons is the concept of being a citizen and not being a subject of a King or a Front was all new to us.

            The Sudanese had and still have labor unions, student unions, professional associations, opposition organizations and even some semblance of free media. The disappearances will occur as long as tyrants rule, but the people will find a way to speak up and protest whether they succeed or fail.

            saay

          • Dongolo

            Selam Haile S. Please Google Seawater Farms Eritrea. Aquaculture activities in Eritrea have in the past been repetitively proven to work and huge untapped opportunities exist. Problem has been that projects ended up closing shop as a result of unending restrictions and interference from the government. Pond culture on/near Eritrea’s coast is well suited for shrimp/prawn, Barramundi, Milkfish and crab culture. And when done in an environmentally friendly manner are indeed attractive.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-S,

            This is an intro to the culture of Erob social group for me. The man boiling a cultural coffee as oppose the women in our culture. Very interesting. Thank you.

            Regard

          • Brhan

            Selam Professor Amanuel,
            I also heard the same about the Beja men in Easter Sudan.

      • iSem

        Hi Haile S:
        The reason I love MY is not because HTG loves him. So what is not to like about his last interview tell me?

        • Haile S.

          Selam iSem,

          The pun is in the word ‘MY’. Please read HTG as saying “my recent interview”. HTG = Mehari. Then iSem likes MY because he is HTG.
          This time, I didn’t listen to the whole interview to give an opinion.

          • iSem

            Hi Haile S:
            I implore you to watch it. It is not that long and I give us your pun about it 🙂

    • Peace!

      Hi Hailua,

      1. Immaterial

      2. It simply validates what the Arena and others members of Opposition have been saying TDF doesn’t exist. TPLF is the Qorach Felach! entity.

      3. Firs and for most he should blame himself for bringing this stupid war into his home. As for Eritrea involvement, DIA is the leader and they should go after him otherwise blaming EDF is a pretext for future opportunity.

      Peace!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Peace,

        “As for Eritrea involvement, DIA is the leader and they should go after him”

        Is there any ways to go after DIA without going after the army that defend him? Pls educate me how they could go after him without going after EDF. Just for the sake of understanding your statement.

        Regard

        • Peace!

          Hi Emma,

          I am not in any position to educate you, please:) Well, he is a foreign leader and subject to international laws. The tools used to pressure him withdraw from Tigray can also be used to hold him accountable if justice is the genuine motive.

          Peace!

  • haileTG

    Selamat AT!

    When Eritrea has been the center of countless illicit activities over the years, it is easy to imagine the level of criminality with which Eritreans at home are silenced. Look at the victim in the article and who could potentially be the killers. Clearly, those masterminding such shadowy activities. Where is the so called EDF that is allegedly “defending” Eritrea. Isn’t the very term EDF a contranym? This speaks volumes to anyone pinning their hopes of freedom to materialize in their bondage chains blacksmith’s forge.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi HaileTG,

      I think you know but you seem to harp on EDF. Eritrea is run by a dictator which controls every aspect of the decision making, finance, security, education, economy, military, police, justice etc.

      There are people in each and every sector of the government apparatus that are loyal servants and enablers of the regime, may be a lot of them but compared to the population a very small, very small number.

      The over whelming majority are decent and hard working people, like the rest of us want to see just Eritrea.

      EDF is no different, it’s made of people who put their lives to safeguard the nation and protect it at all cost.

      When the regime is removed, all those that are hands, eyes and ears of the regime will be removed but the most majority will continue with their lives.

      I shared this before but please listen to the interview of ሃብተአብ የማነ at eripower YouTube channel titled አብ ኤርትራ ክልተ ሓይልታት አለዉ: ዝበዝሑ ደለይቲ ጽቡቅን: ዉሕዳት ጸላእቲ ሰናይን”.

      You know he is member of the task force GiE and he is a lawyer and I was particularly impressed, despite how much challenges and obstacles the regime has against the legal system how dedicated him and his colleagues are to make sure all the legal documents are written, translated and thought many to make sure it’s there.

      You can say all you want but this impressed the hell out if me, as they have nothing personal to gain by this work that they committed to put in place.

      So personally when I say I am hopeful, I really am that the day the regime is gone, we will just open our note books and start to work next day.

      • Hashela

        Selam Berhe

        “ EDF is no different, it’s made of people who put their lives to safeguard the nation and protect it at all cost.”

        This is the reason why sellouts, pretenders and TPLF are demonizing EDF.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Ustaz Hashela,

          A close look at the reasoning that toils to rationalize the argument that what the EDF has been doing in Tigray, and now beyond it, is implementation of a premeditated preemptive self-defense policy aimed at safeguarding the nation from a presupposed imminent attack, cries for serious skepticism. Since such an argument has been around now far too long, and its author being the despot, don’t you think many educated compatriots like yourself have been falling in the trap of doing the despot’s bid? Actually, this ploy of the so-called menace from Ethiopia proper in the past, and the TPLF this time around, is a crystal-clear euphemism the despot’s need to perpetuate his stay in power. Would love to read you views on this matter because it a nasty ploy to confuse the unaware public through deployment of the aware.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. You say ‘safeguarding the nation from a presupposed imminent attack cries for serious skepticism’? Wrong! The TPLF already attacked when it launched missiles on Eritrea last November and has since been openly threatening to invade Eritrea. The TPLF has demonstrated over the years that it simply cannot be trusted vis-a-vis Eritrea. As you well know, many of those here who have been downplaying the risk that the TPLF poses to Eritrea are of the same lot that has been advertising and/or promoting the idea of a TPLF invasion of Eritrea. I am all for efforts to remove PIA regime but lambasting the EDF is simply wrong.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,

            An erudite fellow that you are, you surprised me when you ignored the first part of the statement I made, and jumped to the part that you determined conveniently servers your point of view. Anyway, be what it may, I can generally see the angle you, and several in this forum like Berhe, are looking at the matter. As I noted earlier, I think in another entry, the argument is a line should be drawn between the EDF and its omnipotent commander-in-chief. This argument may make sense when taken in the framework of a nation run under minimal legally instituted government, which our country devastatingly lacks.

            While I am all for the poor conscript army that is being habitually send to slaughter campaigns purely to satisfy the ego and whims of an out-of-control despot, I believe that the members of the army, which is almost entirely part of the downtrodden peasantry and subsistence level wage earner households should realize that the hour of reckoning has arrived. Having this in mind, thus, all individuals like my poor self are arguing is that the army should break out of the present ordeal it and the nation are facing. The EDA and its junior leaders understand it is long overdue to make a choice between loyalty to a despot and the fate of the people. Once they do, they would do that, then there would a means to get rid of a destructive force at the center of a nation in

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. Thanks for you reply. I particularly found the last 2 sentences of your 2nd paragraph interesting and I have hope along these lines that purposeful change may take place. I also believe that ‘frozen’ senior members of the PFDJ that are in Eritrea (or can freely move about) can hopefully play a positive guiding role in this regard.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. Grateful for your thoughts on the following: in a scenario wherein PIA/PFDJ would be removed by internal forces (i.e. couple de E’tat),
            would a GiE formation face difficulty fitting into a local on-ground power structure arrangement -however loosely formed- ? I have sometimes pondered if it would be more plausible for the Eritrean diaspora opposition, to instead of forming GiE, which is a monumental if not impossible task given long-standing divisions, ideology, etc., to organize themselves into thematic coordinating bodies which would essentially mimic the U.N.’s Cluster Approach which would be set up along thematic cluster lines such as Health, Gender, Education, etc. and would therefore be suitable coordination base upon which the U.N.,Donors, NGOs and others could immediately align with to provide support and for which on ground powers in Eritrea, whoever they may be, could immediately access and draw support from. Instead of having a President pro-term, you would simply have an Inter-Cluster Coordination Team. Individual thematic clusters would have at least two Co-Chairs on a rotational basis. Thanks!

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Berhe,

        I agree with you that Habteab Yemane and the other NTC members are amazing people and I have great hopes in them. GiE is sure going to benefit from such talents.

        The other fields and sectors you mentioned to be the same as EDF can really not be considered as such. They really don’t enforce jailing, disappearance, extra-judicial killings, invasions and regional destabilization. Also, those sectors are meant to serve the government of the day and removed or reconstituted under different administration. Not the same with a national defense force.

        If EDF is such is working “put their lives to safeguard the nation and protect it at all cost”, why is not taking action to that effect? Has Eritrea not been put in serious danger? Why are we even contemplating change if there is EDF to do it? EDF doesn’t even swear allegiance to defend the constitution [the official declaration of allegiance] .

        Anyone and myself would wish we can simply see the back of IA and life would be back to normal the next day to open our note book. Assuming, our shared national note book, the constitution, was declared dead by the Commander-in-Chief of EDF, I wonder what note book will be there to open. I will settle with a peaceful transition, even if it takes 3 years.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat-TG,

          Hailat, EDF is not a professional national army that can protect our people and the law of the land. EDF still exhibits the characteristics of the liberation army (EPLF) that abides by the organizational discipline, whose prime objective is to protect the organization – everything is done in the interest of the organization “ሓልዮት ውድቦም”. By that I mean when the “state” and the “party” are the same in appearance and functions with indistinguishable of “exertion of power” and “possessing of national properties” it is all done for the interest of the party.

          To make clear my point let me give you an example: when they start to govern after they came from the mountains to the capital city, everything they brought from the field they refuse to nationalize it or submit to the state of Eritrea. It remains as the properties of the org or party. Because everything they accumulate/built was done “ንሓልዮት ውድብ”. The same can be said that the properties looted from Tigray is done “ንሓልዮት ህግደፍ”። So in my book EDF is the army of PFDJ and is not the army of the Eritrean people in its essence and services. Hopefully, after the demise of the despot we will reorient the Eritrean army to be the army that defend the Eritrean people and its sovereignty rather than the army that defend the principles and the interest of a party.

          Regard

          • haileTG

            Selam Aman,

            That is correct. In addition, in our context here, the lack of unprofessionalism is of a different type, more than simply being an army whose primary allegiance is to ruling dictator or party. For example, we can say the same for HS army, Mengistu army or to some extent, most of post cold war governments in our region. All those may be said to have primary allegiance to serving the ruling class. However, those armies were professionally constituted and from time to time they became agents of change. EDF is not professionally constituted academically and theoretically in military science. Therefore, it can’t be expected to become an agent of change. As what we witnessed in Tigray, they were stealing, raping and massacring under direct orders of their commanding officers [as per the intercepted conversations]. There is not many of them going to attend to military academies around the world. We could say EDF is a militia force glorified as a national army.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat-TG,

            “Militia force glorified as national army”
            Point well taken as descriptive name.

            Regard

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi HTG,

            Your transgressions are far too many to look past as an avid reader. How so you might wonder, as if it wasn’t obvious, but I’ll entertain you nonetheless.

            You keep attacking EDF just like TPLF, instead of the federal government, to garner international support. BTW, the support is almost non-existent anymore. Even the Western media is calling TPLF a rebel force.

            When peace was almost attained, your masters said they wanted to attack Eritrea, which literally is a letter of invitation to partake in the war legitimately. You argue for the preemptive strike on the Northern Command, for the behalf of TPLF, yet fail to adhere to the substantiated evidence to legitimise Eritreas involvement.

            Furthermore, did you engage in a discussion about the 120 civilians that got killed by the Tigrayan rebel forces the 4th of September, in the village Chenna Teklehaymanot? If so, did you undermine TDF like you do EDF?

          • haileTG

            Merhaba MJ,

            Don’t blame me for it but according to EDF master Gen. Filipos’ ex-ዉሺሚት, he refers to those who profess support from distance as ለቕለቕቲ, at least my so called “masters” are less brutal than that:-)

            What part of not wishing Eritreans to be killed in foreign lands, wishing EDF to be reorganized professionally, well equipped and having a satisfying career is considered “attacking” EDF?

            Eritrean participation in Tigray is considered illegal by the whole world, please educate us if you know better.

            Why do I discuss about tragic incidents, real or alleged, in Ethiopia or elsewhere as my primary issue of concern? Sure it is sad, but I hope Ethiopians discuss it and do something about it. I don’t agree with Mr. Alamin’s call to action to defend Ethiopian unity and choose a government for them. That is just crazy.

            Anyway, the actual people in EDF would consider my calls patriotic than yours. I do think you would do the same if you and your family were at the Humera border with AK-47 waiting to be taken to fight in Gondar or western Tigray. But, you wouldn’t say that now because the implication of your words has zero impact on your good life.

            I don’t remember saying any of the things you listed, so I would take them as a well intended entertainment:-)

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi HTG,

            I’m glad you got entertained, because slandering EDF constitutes to wanting “your” countries best, according to yourself and your ilk. You do that whilst covering up TPLF/TDF’s wrongdoings. Bravo!

            Here’s a song for your much needed exorcism. https://youtu.be/GNPzRxcOd6Y

            1) “What part of not wishing Eritreans to be killed in foreign lands, wishing EDF to be reorganized professionally, well equipped and having a satisfying career is considered “attacking” EDF?”

            Go ahead and re-read what you wrote and quote the parts you mentioned for me. 🙂

            2) I don’t want Eritreans to participate in any war, nor have I supported such a cause. Just like the circus clown GR wanted to destroy EDF, Eritrea will take precautionary measures to protect Eritrea from an imminent threat.

            When it comes to the Eritrean participation being illegal, according to you, then that is not the case. Eritrea was invited by the Ethiopian government, and as such didn’t venture into a sovereign country without permission. That said, I do not condone any wrongdoings by any sides.

            3) “Why do I discuss about tragic incidents, real or alleged, in Ethiopia or elsewhere as my primary issue of concern? Sure it is sad, but I hope Ethiopians discuss it and do something about it.”

            Why do you discuss tragic incidents in Ethiopia? Are you a comedian now?

            Isn’t Tigrayan matters, Ethiopian matters? That’s a rethorical question.

            4) Nice one! 😂
            Ajoka, HTG. If you believe it enough it might become true, at least for yourself.

          • woldu hadgu

            Dear Metshaf:

            You are staggering without drinking wine. You are trying to exonerate yourself from the crime against humanity committed by ” EDF” (I call them E mercenary F) over Tegaru thus you try to fill this website with extraordinary criminal stupidity in little space. You are a failure. Whether we like it or not We, all Eritreans, are partakers of the criminal heritage done by EMF, the same way as all white Americans are partakers of the heritage of slavery. All is not lost if we recognize this and repent. The Germans did it. The Japanese did it. The Americans are trying to deal with it.

            There is also a evil belief in you. You think your EMF are dancing in clouds. No, No, No. They are dying a miserable death in foreign land with no one to bury them; no one to cry for them; no one to care for them. This is not a film. It is tragic reality.

            This is what I know about you and those who are like you: you are all liars and have no compassion for human life. If you had compassion for your soldiers, you would have had compassion for Tegaru in their pain and suffering. Because compassion like love is indiscriminate and universal: you love all and you have compassion for all.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam WH,

            Excellent. Well said and well put. These clapping guys for the despot have no family members, be it from their nucleus or extended families in this tragic war that has nothing to do with the interest of our nation.

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hello Woldu,

            The expression, “above your pay grade”, is appropriate here.

            Your post is lacking substance. Emotionally driven mambo jambo that appeals to egotistical individuals that needs a TRT treatment to combat the excess estrogen. Try applying logic into your arguments.

            If you had compassion, you would argue for peace and the removal of TPLF and their leadership held accountable immediately.

            Engage in a discussion and argue freely, but use what a write as a foundation. This is something you and your ilk fail with continuously.

          • haileTG

            Hi MJ,

            You say “Eritrea was invited by the Ethiopian government”

            No sir, check your facts, Ethiopia is on record that it didn’t need them nor invited them. The reality doesn’t matter, it is what is said on record that counts.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRIEl9sh0Iw

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi HTG,

            Both the reality and what is said counts. However, not revealing sensitive information to the public during an ongoing mission is understandable.

            Again, I do not condone any alleged wrongdoings. Unlike you, I don’t condone the slaughter of 120 civilians in Chenna Teklehaymanot by your TDF either.

          • haileTG

            Selam MJ,

            “Unlike you, I don’t condone the slaughter of 120 civilians in Chenna Teklehaymanot by your TDF either.”

            That is senseless and madness on your part! Please have some decency MJ.

          • iSem

            Hi MJ:
            I see you slowly drifting away from your calm commentaries. When I first noticed you was when AH called you by your name and you wondered how he knew it was you. I had a couple of pleasant exchanges and I told you about my feelings.
            Now what is not to blame about EDF and attack EDF? You are channeling Amb. AndeBrhan.
            Eritrea has no business in Tigray after TPLF has left Badme. BTW, Badme was given to TPLF by EPLF
            It seems to me you are in support of EDF, a force serving at the whim of IA and probably will be soon commanded by his son. EDF has no business in Badme and Amhara region except to satisfy IA’s dream. You cannot separate PFDJ and IA and EDF at this time. But for sure EDF can be reformed and made to be subservient to a civilian constitutionally elected government.
            For some reason you guys; those soft spoken ppl like you who support PFDJ and those arrogant SoBs have something in common: you pretend that you have the best interest of Eri at heart. You do not if you support EDF under the command of IA. And you self anointed custodians of Eritrea makes you think those of us who oppose PFDJ do not have our loved ones in EDF. No one supports any force to attack Eritrean and its people, but in principle TDF has the right to to attack EDF that EDF is/was in Tigray. Probably it is your guys who are working to endanger the lives of Eritreans by involving Eritrean in the civil war.
            This is how you guys celebrate your captivity and the bleak posterity of Eri under PFDJ.

            https://www.facebook.com/sirak.bahlbi/videos/941111709817629

          • haileTG

            Hey iSem,

            Actually, the key Amhara diaspora megaphones (Tamagne, Mehal Meda, Neamin, Amhara Intercept…) are desperately coordinating messaging to encourage Eritrea to justify war. The weakening of ENDF is taking toll on their efforts. The koboro junkies in the link are the ones you described colorfully:-) who would help them.

          • iSem

            Hi HTG:
            I am not sure if you saw the video I linked but at 2:23 there is a banner saying ” Ethiopia prevails”, not even Eritrea prevails and Ethiopia prevails as they say Aman Andom said when in Asmara in 1972.
            Ethiopia prevails will replace awete nhafash and MJ expects us to respect his position and wants us not to criticize EDF

          • haileTG

            Yes iSem,

            They are immersed fully in illegality, it wasn’t even official Ethiopian flag they were dancing to. It was against the current federal governance of the country. Who would have thought they would go this far?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi iSem,
            This is what they are. No sugarcoating. Can you believe they are covering themselves with the Amhara flag and dancing to it? Shameless እንስሳታት

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            These is who they are. Is this in Germany that I have seen it in mestiyatna? Probably Mez and Hashela are celebrating with them. We Eritreans have irreconcilable positions on the path of our nation.

            Regard

          • Metshaf Jigninet

            Hi iSem,

            Solomon is a nice name, so I’ll take it.

            Tell me, iSem. What is TDF fighting for? Their leaders didn’t even want to secede from Ethiopia. Some Ethiopians claim it has passed the point of return and hope for a quick divorce.

            I thought TPLF would learn from their mistakes initially, but realised they didn’t and never will.

            I support EDF, but not the alleged wrongdoings done by them. An external investigation is necessary.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear HaileTG,

          As to what book we need to open, I don’t think any specific book (or constitution per se) is what we should depend on but all the note books that are shelved by the regime. The note books such as:
          – Italy Master development plan in Eritrea ( I don’t know if such document exist but I am guessing there is one).
          – Eritrea government economic and development policy under the 1952 federal ( I know such plan did exist, which was the spring board for all the factories that were developed during that time)
          – How to revive Eritrea tourism using the UNESCO designation of world heritage city (and add more cities)
          – Your Great Grand father note books and translated works:).
          – But honestly, if you can focus your attention to your country and people like your great grand fathers, I think you can write all the manuals and books that will help Eritrea propel, I am not kidding.

          As to EDF, I don’t think it will be any different. Those that are flying jets, and those manning the tanks and the long and short range missiles, I think are as professional as anyone can get. But it doesn’t mean they are perfect and there is no need to re-train or update the organization, what it matters is, they are responsible for the nation and I don’t think we have much options.

          EDF has the responsibility to protect the nation, specially when we have a neighbor it’s primary objective is “breaking the backbone of the Eritrean Army”.

          Do you think the whole EDF is setup to serve IA and they will die protecting him? I don’t believe so, they are like any other institution controlled by the president, but serve the country.

          What would you like to see? Dismantle EDF and replace it with TDF (TPLF) trained and professional army? I am not trying to discount the harm and damage that went on in Tigray, but implicating the entire army who has over 60 years of experience is not correct.

          but what ever note books that’s shelved by the regime.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Berhe,

            ግደፍ እባ ስራሕ ናባይ ኣይትጽዓና። እዚ ቅድመ-ኣባሓጎይ እኮ ትውልዲ እንተንጸባጸብ ምናልባሽ ንዓኻ’ውን ምቐረበ ነይሩ ይኸውን። ኣብ ኤርትራ እኮ ኩላትና ደቂ ሓደ-ኣቦ ግን ሰብ ክልተ እምነት ኢና። ናይ ኩልና ኣቦሓጎ ኢልና ንውሰዶ ስራሕ ክሰልጠና:-)

            EDF as currently constituted is set up to protect IA. Do you believe that the entire operations of regional destabilizations, invasions, human trafficking, hundreds of underground jails…are manned by few bad apples? No, it is the entire EDF apparatus as an organization. Sure there are good individuals anywhere, including EDF as it is currently set up, but organizationally speaking, EDF is set up to defend the head of the world’s gulag by all accounts of decency.

            Now, why do you think that the process of setting up a new EDF that is professional and swears allegiance to the Nation, People and Constitution in words and actions means TDF trained professional army?? Can Eritreans, even the good ones in the current EDF, those you trust, do it? I would be happy to pay taxes and support such process in any way. I did not say TDF ought to do it, because nowadays you can’t even bring a Tigrayan to an Eritrean guwayla let alone sign up to its army. The feelings are way too volatile.

            In terms of note books, I thought you meant a constitution, otherwise, there are countless Eritrean talents the world over to do wonders for Eritrea, if EDF wasn’t to get on the way:-)

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HaileTG,

            The ቅድመ-ኣባሓጎይ comment was a complement abd not to give you the responsibility. I do think, you have a lot of talent (granted you inherited) from people who translated the Bible and other documents.

            The TDF comment, I am being a bit sarcastic but at the same time realistic based on what the professors from Norway stated the victory of TDF is for text books that everyone needs to learn:).

            As to your characterization of EDF, I disagree, it’s not setup to defend the regime and the president.

            So let’s leave it there.

          • Desbele

            Selam Haile ,

            A talented satirist sum it up ” ፕረሲደንት ኢሳያስ ፣ ሕዝቢ ኤርትራ ብዓይኑ ርኢዎ ንዘይፈልጥ ጸላኢ ኣብ ኣእምሩኡ ኣቐሚጡ ንልዕሊ 20 ዓመታት ዋርድያ ዘውጽአ ትጉሕ መራሒ እዩ ነይሩ።”
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI_v-DIchqY&t=557s

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Desbele,

            This is a good one. The problem is, how could it permeates in to their thick mind?

            Regard

          • Desbele

            Selam Aman,

            I am of the opinion that the proliferation of private Eritrean Youtube channels is doing a great service in eliminating the pfdj’s image of invincibility and exposing its true identity. The viewership in the video i shared is 185k. I understand all are outside of Eritrea but very useful in raising consciousness. Its a tough journey with a not few regime sympathizers. Lets hope against hope.

          • haileTG

            Thanks Desbele,

            That is very funny:-)

          • TT Lon

            Hi Desbele,

            You might not have seen Woyene, but millions of Eritreans have seen them. I and my extended family (100,000 Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean decent) living in Ethiopia have seen them in our own houses taking whatever little we had… We will never forget this….

      • Brhan

        Hi Berhe,
        You said :
        “When the regime is removed”. Removed by who? EDF to go against the dictator of Eritrea, for example?
        Note that the the Somali PM is against the Somali president on the issue of the whistleblower.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Ustaz Brhan,
          This is a question that has been haunting Eritrea’s political arena. The majority (as Berhe says) hate the regime and want the regime disappear. But everyone wants the other to do the removal. Actually, those who can remove the dictator want those who are less able to take the risk. Colonel Ali Hijay risked and we know what happened to him.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Brhan,

          Removed by Eritrean people, could be by EDF or by General or by students, by young people, by act of God, how ever is possible.

          This is already tried in Eritrea, many many, times but it has failed so far, and next time around we may success. G13, G15, Asmara University students, Wedi Ali, Akria Students, the Catholic Church, head of the Orthodox Church etc..
          – the Vice President
          – the minister of finiance
          – the former defense minister
          – the Chief Justice
          – president of Asmara university students
          – on and on and on ..
          – hounders and thousands in diaspora and many, many opposition groups
          It hasn’t gotten the momentum… that’s all

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Berhe,
            If I am not mistaken, what you are proposing is ንጸመም. If right, for how long?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi MM,

            Not a day more, if you want to do it.

          • haileTG

            Haha Berhe,

            You pulled a fast one 🙂

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Berhe,
            But, but you are the one who wants to do it by himself…why you delegating to me?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear MM,

            I think we have been here already. If you want TDF to do it for you, why do you need my approval, there is nothing stopping you are them if they can. If something happen you want to ክትሰላበት ክጥዕመልካ። ደይ ንሱ ኢሉኒ ክትብል ዲኻ ደሊኻ::

            BTW, wasn’t there a rumor that Getachew Assefa arranged to take him out and we heard that he is dead, and collected money. Then he showed up in Addiss Abeba to celebrate or divide up with bromance Abiy.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Berhe,
            I have no idea what you are talking about here. Really.
            About eliminating the devil of Adi-Halo, I wouldn’t mind even Satan take care of it himself, let alone TDF. Even the SA mercenaries are welcome here.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi MM,

            Here is the news reporting that he died.
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1wRRzJmHes&feature=youtu.be

            Here is an article debunking the news claim
            https://pesacheck.org/false-this-article-claiming-that-eritrean-president-isaias-afwerki-has-died-is-a-hoax-6a769a98131

            The rumor that goes with the above story (TPLF pains 10 million (half) and hired someone within his circle to take him out.

            Somehow they convinced them (who ever was working on the other side) convinced them that he died and collected the rest 10 million for finishing the job.

            Few days later he showed up and travelled to Ethiopia to celebrate and split the money with Abiy.

    • Brhan

      Selam haileTG

      Your question is valid. What will the EDF do after knowing about the dictator’s gamble on the lives of Eritreans and neighboring countries?

      His adventure in Tigray, Ethiopia, has become catastrophic. Now a young Somali woman’s killing has put Somalia’s leadership in crisis, a crisis that can lead to violence unless the Somalian president tells the truth.

      And who will avoid discussing the above truth: those who are afraid of the truth.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awate Team,

    This Gedab News report is an extraordinary expose’ from the regime’s conspiratorial menu to destabilize the region. The title of the report tells everything about the evil acts of the pariah state of Eritrea.

    Regards