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Eritrea VS. Eritrea: One Citizen’s Internal Dialogue

If there is one fallacy that both PFDJ* and anti-PFDJ Eritreans have in common is their belief that there is one Eritrea. But there are two Eritreas.

There is the Eritrea that started out to outlaw the outlaws and to supplant it with laws, but instead it has become an outlaw of the first rate in the process.

There is the Eritrea that turned the aspirations of generations of Eritreans to ashes by murdering and disappearing its founders, its young and old. There is the Eritrea that mass murders it youth and then instead of conducting investigations, it dubs them hooligans. There is Eritrea that murders war-disabled—those who were the very essence of its being and calls them spoiled brats.

There is the Eritrea that victimizes its best and brightest and replaces them by the importing the least bright and mediocre teachers, who are in it for the money and not to advance the welfare of the society.

There is the Eritrea that is scared from the dead so much that it denies them burials in their homeland and instead calls them African migrants. There is the Eritrea that has no citizens but residents. There is the Eritrea that calls itself independent but its security and abuses are still carried out by a foreign mercenary army. There is Eritrea that has no government and no opposition, Eritrea that condones rapes and murders and disappearances but devastatingly intolerant to freedom of speech, to freedom of worship, and to freedom of assembly. There is the Eritrea that has outdone Haile Selassie and Derg, the English and the Italians in its brutality. There is Eritrea that does not utter the faintest whisper when its citizens are trafficked, when it’s young are sold like sheep, when its women are raped. There is Eritrea that profits from these heinous crimes by acting as an enabler and a broker. There is Eritrea the docile, the coward and the cruel and the pompous. Eritrea that is virtually demarcated, Eritrea that makes liberation synonymous with crucifixion.

That is PFDJ’s Eritrea. Its history starts in 1970.

There is the other Eritrea, with physical demarcation, that shares only a name with PFDJ’s Eritrea, an Eritrea that agonizes, weeps and dreams. Eritrea that was formed before the armed struggle was waged, Eritrea that shunned accolades and puffery and cutting corners. Eritrea that was burned to ashes but that did not perish, because it was an idea, a vision and not a mere geographical entity because visions and ideas do not die, they just get postponed.

There is an Eritrea that is not malicious, that aguishly dreams to be tolerant, tolerant not only to those who canonize it, not only to those who are in awe with its history and legacy of bravery, but also to those who ridicule it, brutally criticize it and trash it.  Eritrea that believes tolerance does not discriminate and it does not mean bowing in obedience, but also does not mean shooting below the belt.

The two Eritrea are in constant turmoil as they face off to claim the name. And if these Eritreas were businesses domiciling somewhere in the USA or Canada, they will sue each other and the court would have decided, in a final and binding manner, awarding the name to its rightful owner. The victor would have boosted the bonus of its CEO and the looser would have fired its CEO. But the court system that will arbitrate between both Eritreas is the continuous struggle for justice occasionally sprinkled with some blood and carnage, there is just no way around it. PFDJ’s Eritrea knows it, but the real Eritrea is in denial of the blood and carnage part that PFDJ’s Eritrea will trigger.

But where does the Eritrea that is in direct contrast to PFDJ’s Eritrea exist beyond the physical entity that both vie for? To answer that question, you have to turn to its founding. Like most of African nations Eritrea’s birth was violent. That birth did not only create the geography we identify today as Eritrea that is dotted with arid and green land, with plains, valleys and hills that PFDJ’s Eritrea is so captivated with. But it is also tapestried with identity, legacy of bravery, betrayals, tenacity, and people with diverse backgrounds and one citizenship that was carved on its abundant rocks, rocks that symbolize the people’s profound endurance, a vision that weaves all these themes intricately beyond a mere real-estate that PFDJ’s Eritrea labors to reduce it to. There is no doubt about it, PFDJ’s Eritrea has defeated the real Eritrea, but it did not kill it, although Eritrea is not eternal, it is immortal as far as the eye can see and its longevity is baked in its sacrifices, the long walk to September 1961, the thirty year grueling run—two milestones that did not divorce its geography from citizenship and did not dice and slice it. What will endanger that immortality is the quarter a century of divorce of its land from its citizenship and the denial of its inborn diversity and the deliberate tinkering with its nature, the short-sighted and self-serving approaches of designing homogenous nation that is easy to control and manipulate.

The other danger to the Eritrea that is under constant assault from PFDJ is neither neighboring Ethiopia, nor the far-flung Langley, but the temptation to get domesticated by PFDJ’s Eritrea. The real Eritrea is a stubborn embryo that has so far refused to be aborted by PFDJ, which in vitro fertilized a hybrid embryo from surrogate mother to replace it. There are visible signs and symptoms that hint to the domestication by PFDJ’s Eritrea: sizable of intellectuals, spiritual leaders from both major religions and many oppositions groups either dither and equivocate about their commitment to the essence of the real Eritrea or are torn between embracing its diversity and PFDJ’s grand-narrative of molding the nation before its ultimate birthing from that surrogate mother.

Unlike pregnancy, a nation’s embryo does not have limited time span, so, when finally the midwives deliver the real Eritrea from its lengthy pregnancy, it has to be devoid of any of the crucial strains of PFDJ’s Eritrea as this is the anti-theses of the real Eritrea and that cannot happen unless we write real Eritrea’s future history, now and in the process authenticating that that embryo is not contaminated. This has nothing to do with weeding out or dismantling, it is a separate issue of protecting that sanctity of that embryo, but that embryo ought to be compassionate, forgiving and desperately reconciliatory in all of its phases: in its infancy, in its childhood, in its adolescence and adulthood. Lacking any of those traits in any of its phases will make it an incarnate of PFDJ’ Eritrea.

But do not make a mistake about it, the gloom that PFDJ’s Eritrea oozes is not localized in Eritrea. It is in the Diaspora, it litters many of the so-called opposition groups, and it infests and cripples the minds of those who were born in the Diaspora. It informs the vision of many veterans of the armed struggle, it even contaminates the minds of those who hazarded the dangerous trek to make it free from the slavery. PFDJ’s Eritrea looms high in the once enslaved youth who found their freedom in the West. But also PFDJ’s Eritrea clouds the minds of those who bask in the dictator’s attention and those who sashay into the Mekhete meetings conspicuously brandishing their Ivy tower credentials.

Gleaning from the debates that go on Awate forum, the teashops and other Eritrean gatherings, the scrimmage between the two Eritreans will be long and treacherous to both as both cannot co-exist; PFDJ’s Eritrea must perish, its rubble cleared and the other Eritrea erected in its place, not for glamor but for redemption, not for the sake of debilitating revenge but for gratifying triumph.

* PFDJ: People’s Front for Democracy and Justice, the sole ruling party of Eritrea

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  • Michaelinlondon1234

    Wellyou summed up the situation in Ethiopia perfectly….Just got the spelling wrong.

  • Nitricc

    Greetings everyone. I was serfing through meskerem.net and I read a post about Aigaforum panic due to Egypt’s naked for all to see, military preparations. It is stated as..

    “Why Is Egypt Buying Two Orphaned Mistral Class Aircraft Carriers From France?
    Even with the rising spectre of Islamic extremism looming over Saharan and portions of sub-Saharan Africa, it is not exactly clear what Egypt plans on doing with two amphibious helicopter carriers. These powerful ships could be used as seabases of sorts, parking them off the coast of trouble spots on the Mediterranean, Red Sea, and Arabian Sea, but that would signal a massive expeditionary shift in Egypt’s foreign policy… [We have no doubt the Horn Countries are not taking this news seriously but in case they are be warned! Prepare for any eventuality! Deterrence is the best tool to avoid war!Red Sea ought not be left to the camels any more!]
    Red sea ought not to be left to the camels anymore?” Lol, they got jokes and the joke is on them. lol
    Although Egypt’s shopping of the Mistral is questionable but it is not secret Egypt is loading and arming it self to the teeth. I said questionable because the story goes like this…
    “WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) — Russia has reportedly agreed to sell 50 helicopters to Egypt for the Mistral ships France initially intended to sell Russia.
    Russian news agency Tass reports Russia will be supplying Egypt with Ka-52 Alligator family helicopters. Authorities in Moscow say they are not ruling out the delivery of the deck-based version of the helicopters, according to unnamed sources.
    Interfax reported Moscow made a statement saying they would not interfere with the Egyptian government’s purchase, and would supply the Alligator helicopters with a flexible payment plan.
    The Ka-52 Alligator is a next-generation Russian reconnaissance and combat attack helicopter. It is fitted to counter ground assaults from tanks, armored and non-armored ground targets, including infantry as well as opposing helicopters.
    The Ka-52K deck-based naval variant of the Alligator is ideal for transport on board the Mistral amphibious assault ships, also known as helicopter carriers. France canceled their plans to sell the ships to Russia following Moscow lending political and material support for armed separatists in eastern Ukraine.

    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Securi … 443026906/

    If indeed Egypt is to keep the Mistral and the 50 Ka-52 alligator Helicopters, then it is a done deal that Egypt and Ethiopia are on it and war is unavoidable. The funny part is while Egypt is openly spying Ethiopia and arming itself to emf ; the hideous looking stupid Ethiopian Prime minister is talking about Eritrea and he is bragging how Ethiopia is ready to punish Eritrea. Mr sunshine; how about you do something in getting ready to encounter Egypt’s massive and open preparations?

    • Dear Nitricc,
      the red moon passed yesterday and no catastrophe befell ethiopia. you have to wait till 2033, when the red moon comes again. who will do the job for you, has always been your biggest problem. egypt is your number one candidate for the job. you will be disappointed, egypt has her hands full of her own problems (islamic extremism), to think about others. she has come to understand that she can not have the nile as her sole property, and she is obliged to share the ethiopian river. the patriarch of the coptic church of egypt was in addis for meskel celebrations. what does that indicate? a future of harmonious relationship.

  • Yohannes

    Hello Awatistas,

    What would you feel after listening to these people? Excuse me for jamming in with it, but I couldn’t help it…beka ‘melaksti delye’. Why do we keep wondering with the ails of the opposition when such extraordinary fools are able to hold the mic by the name of ‘justice seekers’! Listen here just for a few minutes…https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5673&v=MeBayBu4ZZg

  • Abyssinia

    The withering of Eritrea:culture,
    Last time I argued that Eritrea’s destiny is to orbit Ethiopia. The arguments I presented were very general. I argued that cultural, social, historical connections coupled with population and market forces will make Eritrea the moon that orbits Ethiopia. Today is festive season in Ethiopia and a fitting day to reflect on the cultural aspect my of argument.

    Civilization is ultimately a culture and mainly of the immaterial type. Even the material aspect of culture must find its place in the matrix of the immaterial values and expressions. A healthy culture nurtures healthy feelings of belongingness, pride and a sense of identity. It is also projected to the outside world as a soft power and a cultural commodity. A case in point is how yoga of the far east and the dances (salsa, tango, samba) of the latino world have become fertile soils for their people to start and grow business in the world and to project their people’s and country’s soft power thereby fostering positive images of the people and the countries.

    Ethiopia, no doubt, is blessed with immense cultural wealth, but which unfortunately have been repressed rather than developed. Today, Ethiopians have realized how important these cultural symbols, expressions and celebrations are. Ethiopia has started to reinvigorate its culture, to celebrate them, to develop them and to use them to enhance its image. Its people are growing ever more confident, and are proudly celebrating them and showing them to the world. The world is responding too, in recognizing them and being fascinated by them. Ethiopian cultures are being recognized by the UNESCO (Meskel) and many more are in the pipeline (Ashenda, Irecha, Timkat, etc). Meskerem is a festive season in Ethiopia and it is a very exciting moment. Today, the hills, mountains and fields of Ethiopia are lit with torches of meskel, torches of hope and renewal. The people are rejoicing and full of hope.

    By contrast, Eritrea has been abandoning its cultures and falling out of natural rhythm. It has started to celebrate New Year in a time that has no resonance to the land and the history of the people. Eritrea has already abandoned cultures such as Ashenda, and New Year. Other cultures such as Meskel, and Timkat are dim in comparison to their celebrations in Ethiopia and they are on their way to death. Ethiopia’s cultural fields are blossoming beautifully, Eritrea cultural fields are withering by the day.

    • Ted

      Hi, Abyssinia, if your assertion is correct that our culture is moving away from the Ethiopian(center of the orbit), wouldn’t that prove we are holding our own orbit. Then”Eritrea the moon that orbits Ethiopia.” by your own admission is fallacious..
      Enjoy in case you thought we also forgot how to sing.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQDyu_EZbQ

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Hey Ted
        That was a merciless knock out. I told Abyssinia that under normal situation there should not exist this condescending lectures from our Ethiopian friends. Eritreans will decide how much of their total national interest should assign to Ethiopia. Haha…let’s say, for fun, a quarter (which is huge for a count) is assigned to Ethiopia, the other 75% of its interest could be distributed throughout the region and the world. The distance from Italy or Turkey to Asmara could be shorter and doing business between them cheaper than in the case of the distance and Conducting business between Asmara and Addis if our Ethiopian policy makers think in the same manner most of our Ethiopian awatistas do, a zero-sum attitude in which Ethiopia is presented as guaranteed to be the winner in all contemplated scenarios/games. It is amazing when they come up with self-made choices, as if Eritrea’s development is predicated upon Ethiopian good will.
        Horizon’s reason was because of our Muslim and Arab neighborhood, that we would risk Sharia law if we want to widen our orbit to neutralize Ethiopian threats and bullying attitudes. What he missed is:
        a. We decide who to link up with. Doing business with India could be more attractive and profitable.
        b. His belief that Muslims will automatically fall for Sharia law is based on biased assumptions and ignorance. He missed the fact that Muslims are as diverse as any other society.

        • Dear Mahmud Saleh,
          it is said that in human to human relations, you can choose your friends, but not your relatives. relatives are the product of mear chance. in people to people or country to country relations, national interest is the deciding force. if eritrea has to gain more from india, of course india is the choice. if business with italia is more inviting, italy is to be preffered. if eritrea wants to build a tall wall between ethiopia and eritrea to neutralize the so-called ethiopian bullying and patronizing, again it is her right.

          on the flip side, if italy, china, india and arab countries do multi-billion businesses with ethiopia than with eritrea, it is the result of their national interest, not because they like ethiopians more than eritreans. if the west chooses ethiopia than eritrea, again national interest has played a role on both sides. thus, every country is responsible for its fate and its future. it boils down to national interest and not to national sentiment.

          christian fundamentalism died centuries ago with the crusaders and the inquisition. unfortunately, islamic extremism and its effect is a present day phenomenon, and worsening. arab countries, from algeria to iraq and from yemen to syria, and the whole world is living it. one of the fears of many eritreans is the possibility of eritrea falling into the hands of extremists, if pfdj and its supporter turn the country into a failed state. i hope that eritrea and ethiopia are spared, and our muslim brothers and sisters are not exposed to this toxic phenomenon, and as you said i hope that their diversity also plays a role to avert it. in addition, respecting their rights and listening to their grievances can cure any tendencies that might be there.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Horizon
            I have no problem with your answer. It is reasonable and is acceptable to me. I would just reiterate that once the political constraints are resolved the res,t as I said before, is going to follow its natural course. It’s a matter of calculation. If Ethiopia becomes an economic center of gravity for the region, and if there is no political pressures coming from Ethiopia, then the laws of economics and international relations will require Eritrea that it makes Ethiopia its strategic partner. It’s as simple as that. What I feel are being thrown at us at this time by most Ethiopian Awatistas are simply political jabs. Ethiopians and Eritreans and particularly people who wield the power to influence policy makers should think in terms of two nations and two peoples. Whatever relation we might have is more complicated than any relation we have with other neighbors. I personally hope that both countries return to normalcy as soon as possible. But that’s just a hope for I have no power except exercising decency with my Ethiopian friends.
            Another point, just zoom in on para 2: countries can do business with both of us. It is not “with Ethiopia than with Eritrea” and vice versa.
            Third: Radical Islamism is as much a threat to Muslims. And I can guarantee you, our case is totally different, thanks to our revolutionary legacy. The memories are fresh, and we have been more closer to (Muslims and Christians) and comfortable with each other. But we will need to be even more vigilant.
            Regards.

          • Gud

            Mahmoud,

            I don’t get it. By saying this “..if pfdj and its supporter turn the country into a failed state…” Horizon is wishing* your Eritrea a failed state status. Is it because he is adding HGDF to the sentence that his reply is , “reasonable and acceptable” ? I know you are referring to the other part of his comment and his general message, but still he is throwing a jab all the same

            I would expect any Eritrean to reject Horizon’s sentence** just because it uses Eritrea and failed state in the same sentence alone. But that is just me. I guess in the so called opposition world, as long as they see the word pfdj included in the sentence any thing goes. Who cares about Eritrea, right?

            * At least he has formulated the idea of failed Eritrea in his mind consciously or otherwise

            ** This was one of the topics of this past weekend I.e. always give the false impression that Eritrea is failing, that it is not viable or sustainable for Eritrea to stand as a state

          • Gus

            Horizon aka Assab for Eritrea

            “..if pfdj and its supporter turn the country into a failed state. i hope that eritrea and ethiopia are spared,….”

            Mr, Ethiopian, quit being an arrogant brat, stay on your side of the border (physically and virtually). You need to learn to resist the usual Ethiopian urge/itch of sense of entitlement on Eritrean matter. Your Ethiopia should learn to stay and mind what is within its boundary only and you should mature to talk about your Ethiopia only. Don’t talk “be Eritrean tera ” in an Eritrean house.

            For instance, if you have to give an example of failed state (if you have too) use your own Ethiopia, and your shaky ethnic based structure crashing down or something. Talk Ethiopian, talk like a normal human being who knows his house

          • Gud

            Gud and not Gus

          • Hi Gus,
            have you asked yourself why you are against everything and everybody, without sparing even eritreans? is it because you see yourself more eritrean than others, or is it because you imagine yourself as the only true guardian of the eritrean independence? my friend, it is nothing else but frustration and hopelessness, that is putting you at odds with everybody. the project of enslaving the eritrean people is failing, and pfdj, whom you serve so fervently is on its death bed.

      • Gud

        Ted/Mahmud,

        Do you ever wonder why Ethiopians never, even for a change talk in terms of Ethiopia circling the orbit of Eritrea (instead of the usual Eritrea orbiting Ethiopia). Or Ethiopia uniting with Eritrea (instead of the usual Eritrea to join Ethiopia)? They are the ones always going after Eritrea but always present it in such a way the Eritrea has to do the joining….etc. etc. Even on a minor personal level, the Ethiopian you meet in the streets In a foreign land would always expects you (Or assumes) can speak Amharic.

        • karim

          Which Ethiopians ? Oromo, Amharu ,Harari….?

      • Saleh Johar

        Ted,
        You should be punished for bringing the ugly video (the voice, and the song is my favorite). But the crowd who think they are dancing look like a group of mannequins that suddenly became alive by miracle. It’s fake and ugly moves that has nothing to do with culture–and they think they improved it. I opened a new tab and listened to the song in the background without the annoying moves, in bright pink dress. Eway gud, culture tezemitu, 🙂

        • አዲስ

          Hi Saleh,

          The atrocity this Abyot guy(the second one from left) did to music videos with his robotic and uninspired choreography is unforgivable. If I see him in any video I will just avert my eyes because I know what the dancing will look like. Horrible.

          Wetros ke “Abyot” min dehna neger yigegnal 🙂

          Thanks,
          Addis

          • Saleh Johar

            Addis,
            I didn’t know about Abyot, maybe he was trying to be revolutionary. Earlier I was watching a village dance in the Agame region, unadulterated dance, and natural passionate dance moves, not fake smiles like idiots, as the purple dressed people were doing. Indeed, it is horrible.

          • አዲስ

            Saleh,

            He’s in almost all music videos of the past 5-10 years involving a choreographed dance. Somebody definitely likes his work and keeps hiring him. I wonder who these people are. It’s a sad affair really.

            This right here is very natural and beautiful :

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA_RyDz7trc

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Saleh Johar

            Okay Addis,
            Our taste seems to be alike…that is the kind of videos I would see without banging my head on the wall in frustration. Would you consider starting a petition to force the Abyot guy to change his career 🙂

          • አዲስ

            Saleh,

            Trust me I have thought about doing that few times 🙂 I am glad you enjoyed the video.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • karim

            Pop music is Addis within the last decade is so corny and disgusting .

        • karim

          Exactly my thoughts.

      • Abyssinia

        Hi Ted,

        It is not moving away, it is withering. – becoming dry and barren. Once Eritrea has no culture to be proud of, it is the nature of humans to look around to fill the void. That is where Ethiopian culture comes in. Or do you plan to fill it with Halloween, or Arab barbarism? I would like you to partake in the jubilant mood from across the border: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=142188826131376&set=a.102172350133024.1073741827.100010207771436&type=3&theater

      • Abyssinia

        Hi Ted,

        I guess someone deleted my post for some reason. So I am forced to reply to you again. To move away implied there are new cultures growing. That is not the case; the case is that it is withering -becoming dry and barren. Once people have some cultural void, they look around to fill in the void, and that is where Ethiopian cultures come in. I also invited you to savor this beautiful picture from across the border where the mood is jubilant. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=142188826131376&set=a.102172350133024.1073741827.100010207771436&type=3&theater

        I hope the admin does not delete my post again.

      • Haile WM

        Hi Ted,
        this is plagiarism at best… next time we should tell the woyanes it’s final and binding, the song was awarded to Eritrea 😀
        did she even pay for rights ? wey gud…

    • karim

      The lowlander are closer to Sudan that To the Amhara

  • saay7

    Hey Gud:

    At least it’s not “iziatom” and only “iziom.”

    I have heard of the use of hgdef from EDF. When hgdef calls a meeting, one of those mandatory “objective on the ground” meetings that people are forced to attend. As in: “hgdef akheba tsewia alla.”

    Let’s also not underestimate the alternative “objective facts on the ground” that comes from Diaspora opposition media where the use of “hgdef” is very common and some of that has to have been absorbed by the politically conscious class:) I know hgdef doesn’t call itself but “hzbawi gnbar” appropriating two words from its predecessor.

    I will ask Gogo, a newest member of the Truth Bound Society.

    saay

    • Gud

      saay,

      I was referring in a normal conversation in the streets. The term hgdef sounds foreign . Not used frequently. You are talking about meetings announced as Hgdf meetings.

      The point was , kirose’s repeated mention of that term is strange. Very strange. Foreign 🙂

      Did you say imported from so called opposition? Lol of course any thing bad comes from there 🙂

      • Gogo

        Selam Gud and Sal,
        Gud is right in saying that not many people use ‘hgdef’ when recounting wrongs done, or when expressing bitterness, complaint, frustration inflicted by the regime (his ‘no body’ is of course a ‘poetic exxageration”). Hgdef is invoked when it comes to akebatat and coupons. However, thanks to the opposition media outlets increasing number of people are using the term in their daily conversations.
        Sal, part of the reason why people shy away from using the term might be the fact that the regime is not a ‘system’ (hope Aya Emma is not around)
        Gogo

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Gogo,
          Welcome home.

          Jut one question because you seem to be saying the “sysetm” is not s system because you stated, “the regime [the system] is not a system” That is because according to the dictionary a regime as a system or planned way of doing things, especially one imposed from above and that is what the PFDJ system is doing.

          But I think we are dwelling in semantics, bordering on intellectual luxury, because every Eritrean and his neighbor say ; serAat Higdef.

          So, the stick that was used to beat the man is a stick, it doesn’t matter whether it is made of gold or wood. There shouldn’t be objection, I hope when if I say, the whatever-you-call-it PFDJ should be (removed, destroyed, dismantled–though I prefer weeded out)

          Dweling in terminologies is like a doctor trying to find the Latin terms for a sickness in an emergency instead of administering the cure to save the life. Even Amanuel fell into the same thing when he tried to describe the difference between “fundamental” and “radical change.” But maybe it is me, I avoid thinking in English when dealing in such issues, and I love the Tigrinya equivalent of weed out, sur neqel lweTi, courtesy of my friend Adhanom Gebremarim who came to my rescue with the term.

          Dear Gogo, now that you left your natural habitat, be careful not to lose your ability to think in Tigrinya 🙂

          • Gogo

            Dear Saleh,
            It really feels awesome to join the Awate family. Back home there was never a day that I and many friends missed visiting the site.
            About the naming of the regime, I was not trying to dwell on semantics. I am just saying that not many people back home identify the oppressive system as Sraat Hgdef. And I think the reason for this is because PFDJ is not like the Chinese Communist Party which shakes and shapes the state machine. It is a dying org, with few people trying their best to remain relevant and related to the Center, read IA. Ayi abti gejeret zelo maekelay bet xhfet tetkeyd! You would find ‘top’ cadres dosing. When you stride to Asmara, hopefully in short time, you want find anything to weed out Saleh.

            Cheers,

          • Gud

            Hey Gogo ,

            It is a dying org? Gee …let us not play with the emotions of the good people of this forum and raise a false hope :).

            When I say people do not use the term HGDF, I don’t mean just now. I am saying ever! since its inception (1994). You said (implied) the reason people are not using the term is because HGDF is dying (tsk,tsk) (I think you been reading too much of awate:) and other imaginary world ), which in turn implies it was used at some point, when HGDF was (tsk, tsk) strong. Which is not factual
            HGDF is a very formidable organization one of its best qualities is the fact that it doesn’t force itself onto the people in a normal sense (Not like any other organizations in power). Perhaps the only reason you are saying “HGDF”, “tyrannical” and all those fancy terms (Foreign to the regular, ordinary people of Eritrea), is because of your attachment to the imaginary or virtual world (as per Saay account and your admission). I would say you were playing football videao games in a small room, while you could easily play real football out in the sun 🙂
            Your (and Saay’s) opposition medias are introducing the term sounds weird either. Do you normally try to understand, learn and use the language the people use in their every day life or you impose a foreign term? The people know how they feel and how they express it. The only thing I hear people say about the so called opposition and their media is “Izom tsilulat intay iom ziblu zelewu” 🙂
            HGDF is a very formidable org with reaches outside the boundaries of Eritrea wherever Eritreans are.

    • haileTG

      Hey saay,

      I have a childhood friend of mine in Asmara, Eritrea. He is roughly my age (may be months apart). We grew up doing all things from soccer to the mischief of scaling someone else’s home to pick Kazmier:-) Now he is 17 years in agelglot working in the police and single living with his aging mom as all of his siblings (7 in total) are in diaspora. Last time we met, I started with small talk (after the usual firm hugs and key tKewn, kemey aloka…), by asking if he has a wife and kid now (of course I am with my wife and kids there). He replied with excellent humor by saying ካበይ ዝመጸ ሓዳር ቆልዑ ወደይ፡ ህግደፍ ከም ጭራ ብድሕሬና ለጊቡ ብሓይሊ ተመርዕዩና እንዳረኣኻ’ዮ! Well, we had a laugh although one can’t also hide the sadness of the reality I was standing upon. HGDEF is a well quoted in Eritrea by the disfranchised lot. Another well to do guy (financially) also observed ኣብዚ’ኮ ህግደፍ ዋላ ምስ ገንዘብና ከምዘይንሕጎስ ገይሩ እዩ ደፊኑና! Of course, you wouldn’t expect that in certain circles 🙂

      • saay7

        Hailat TG:

        Never mind all that; I am stuck on this:

        “We grew up doing all things from soccer to the mischief of scaling someone else’s home to pick Kazmier:-) ”

        This scaling up for Kazmier business…are we related? Or was that practice, and that particular fruit, far more common than I thought? And what is “kazmier” in English? Or do we have to wait for Professor Tes to tell us?

        saay

  • haileTG

    Hello Awatistas,

    Happy Sunday to all of you!

    ህዝብና ይጥዓሞ’ምበር ዋላ ይሕሰመና፡
    ሃገር ጥራይ ትዕበ ኣብ ክንዲ ዝበልና፡
    ካብ ጸልማት ዝጽልምት ኮይኑ መጻኢና፡
    ኣብ በረኻ በልዩ ዕድመ ንእስነትና፡
    እኳ ከይንሰርሕ ንጽባሕ ዝኸውን፡
    እኳ ከይንሃንጽ ንጽባሕ ዝኸውን፡
    ኣይ ንዓና ኮይንና ወይ’ውን ንሃገርና፡
    ኣፍረይቲ ዜጋታት ጂሆ ተታሒዝና….

    እትብል ናይ ሓርበኛ ስነጥበባዊ ኪሮስ ኣስፈሃ ዜማ is chosen for you. ዓወት ናይ ግድን እዩ!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1UdFE9cEYo

    • dawit

      Dear HTG,
      Blessed Sunday to you too. It is nice song but a bit long and monotonous. By the way Hailat do you have any news about Eshel Dejen project, the PFDJ jail breaker? It has been more than a year since I heard about him? Do you think he wrote TaAsa Debdabe to PIA went back to Eritrea or is he still filling his asylum application papers in some immigration office in the world?.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi dawit:
        You still remember Dejen from a year ago? was it that traumatic?
        If he had done the TaEsa paper you could have known because the word is you are in the committee that deals with regrets. Do not listen to Kiro’s interview just advise from cousin, you will not collapse but it will have long term damage on your heart

        • dawit

          Hi Cousin SEM, How can I forget the Eritrean one week hero! I really don’t know what happened to Dejen, he just dropped from opposition radar. There is a committee that deals with TaAsa letters, it is one man committee PIA. I thought your new hero, the master spy Molla might briefed you about it since all your information come from body guards and prison guards. Oh ya I have heard Kiros interview, as usual boring same like his song. By the way I also listened to Hanna Petros testimony to ColE, exploting her vulneravel situation to extend their lucrative UN job. You know it is illegal to conduct research on vulnerable members of society. her in the US we have NIH rules on who you could solicit interview for your research, but you don’t have it in Canada.

          • Semere Andom

            Dawit:
            all the artist told you that th COI report does not reflect the suffering that you guys are inflicting on the them, so forget the report, it is old news almost as old as Dejen. The silver jubilee of May 24 is approaching and IA will ask offering this year, real offering like sacrificing your kids for me and the will be the true test. Tight your belt cousin dawit, but do not worry just go through motions of sacrificing your kids on the altar and IA will provide the real sacrificial sheep, have that faith cousin and your will be
            Molla is not my hero, he was your hero and trusted confidant and weighing his options he abandoned you, next there will body guards from India

            So you care more about Hana Petro’s parents than she does and you think she does not have the brains to distinguish if she was being used?

          • dawit

            Dear SEM,
            I thought you are organizing the largest rally of the opposition at UN in new York, bigger than the Eritrean kebero junky crowed at Richmond in Virginia today. I didn’t know that Col report was discarded? I was really preparing to travel Hague ICC next year to defend PIA. My apology for mentioning Molla as your new hero.

          • Gud

            Hey, Dawitom
            Speaking of Kiros, couldn’t control my laugh when campers were claimed to have done “guila to receive a guila maker” . What does it even mean? it was even compared to the historic 1991 when Eritreans flocked to the streets to receive their Tegadelti. Wodaje! It makes you wonder if the organizers are really Eritreans

      • Gud

        Dawit,

        You mean you did not hear this music before? it was already out with different lyrics, when that chivas binge drinker (ሓርበኛ? haha) was already in Eritrea.

        • saay7

          Hey Gud:

          Since we are all students at awate university, and we have no professors but only “peer group” learning, can you help out a brother here? Thanks.

          When musicians leave, like Kiros and Wedi Tkabo, we are told they were alcoholic and binge-drinkers. Were they always so or do they start drinking heavily before they abandon the system? Are there musicians who are serving the system now patriotic Eritreans who are also alcoholic?

          When politicians leave, we are told that they were regionalist or corrupt.* Were they always regionalist and/or corrupt or do they become that just before they leave? Are there any regionalist and corrupt government officials that you can tell us about?

          saay

          * Mesfin Hagos was the exception. He never was accused of being a regionalist or corrupt. Just that he is “anjal.”

        • Music Novice

          Greetings Gud (kitchen table gossiper),

          Thank you for raising the calibre of discussion on this website and moving it into the Pub/Bar. Next, I predict, you and your logically challenged sidekicks known as Guest (spokesman for the abattoir), Ted (who uses the word ‘fallacy’ without having a clue as to its meaning) and dawit (the pedestrian) will be taking us into bedroom gossip.

          But, in your haste, you forgot to mention the alcoholism of Isaias but hopefully once you descend into bedroom gossip/farce, you will not neglect his bedroom exploits.

          Now, three cheers to you chaps!

          Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!

          • Gud

            MN

            Are you sure you are not going to be impotent in the bedroom too, just like what you are in this forum? 🙂

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Gud,

            To me, you are a simpleton and a windbag.

            As to who is impotent, let the audience be the judge.

          • Gud

            MN,

            Well, if you were functioning fine in this forum, then I will have to go back and start reading your posts because I skipped most of them. I only noticed you because you put yourself in the line of fire a couple of times 🙂

            Does this mean you are agreeing the bedroom is not your favorite place? 🙂

          • Music Novice

            Surely, you must have a very high opinion of yourself. I do not see any originality or critical examination of ideas from you. You are a gossiper, a simpleton, a loud mouth and a windbag.

          • Gud

            MN,

            Lucky (or may be unlucky?) for you , I read the whole of your original post before you edited it (or before the moderator blocked it). two lines from me and you just went berserk. Just like that! 😉

            Anyway, remember you are the one who raised your hand and insisted to be counted. I gave you your piece, and you went nuts. I am sorry dude. You got to know the consequence of what you say.

            Very high opinion of myself? nope! far from it. I have been in this forum like forever, but you don’t see me participate actively that much. Meaning I am just a reader (May be an attentive reader or observer) mostly than a writer. I know my limits and there are few topics that I incline to participate, For the most part it has to do with “Eritrea vs the outside”, with the focus on “Eritrea vs Woyanie”. Otherwise this house is full of “Hawi Hawi zishetu” writers, who can play acrobatics with words and sentences that my poor poor English is no way near. So, you are way off on that. Shortly you will see me go in to my shell and just read, anything Eritrean here or any where.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Gud,

            You said: “Anyway, remember you are the one who raised your hand and insisted to be counted. I gave you your piece, and you went nuts.”

            Think about it, did you say anything of substance?

            “Raised your hand”? To a gossip monger and a simpleton?

            When you started Pub/Bar gossip about Chivas Regal ‘binge’ drinking by an opponent of the PFDJ, I only tried to give you a nudge to remind you to keep the discussion around political/economic/social issues that relate to Eritrea rather than irrelevant personal anecdotes. I also wondered whether your next natural transition will be bedroom gossip.

            Sorry for my mistake. I overestimated your aptitude, but I now realise that you are merely a PFDJ beast of burden.

            By the way, that favourite issue of yours, the implementation of EEBC ruling, will be more effective if you dedicate yourself to a year long protest in front of Ban Ki Moon’s office. In here, you will gain nothing, times have changed. But, I must say, the noise arising from your silly gossip is rather deafening.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba dawita,

        Both Kiros and Dejen are our brothers. Kiros fought from the land and Dejen from the air, doing what a dutiful patriot does. Both found it impossible to do what they wish to do for their beloved nation, even pay with their lives, under the diabolical regime that is now a laughingstock of the world over. They may live or not to see their wishes and dreams realized as far as their country is concerned. However, the fact that supporting the regime requires you to disown and ridicule not only those who stood for your country but are your flesh and blood, exposes the audacity of the preposterous PFDJ empire that claims that it can defend itself with hoards of slaves (face it, that is what they are if they mean nothing unless they serve your master). That will be impossible.

        On the musical side, even if you were to play Yemane Baria to non-speaker, it would be judged as you said above. The real talent is in the message and being able to amplify popular heart beats.

        • dawit

          Dear Hailat,
          I never mentioned that they were not heroes, they are heroes, but misguided to keep their heroism active. They are being used as a tool for Ethiopia to serve against their country and people, they helped to liberate and defend just because they hated on person. I am interested about their stories. Did the opposition used them and threw them or What?

          • haileTG

            hey dawitom,

            On your update regarding Dejen, I believe he has started to rebuilt his shattered life back again in Sweden. As you know any association with PFDJ would eventually end in disaster (as it has happened to the nation as a whole too). So, there is no surprise that Dejen suffered the same fate as the rest. The opposition doesn’t use and throw, it is a self-service operation and only be turned ON/OFF at will by the person themselves.

            On being the “tools for Ethiopia”, well since your director of your president’s irrelevant hut has told us that the regime has no opposition and all that oppose it are “mercenaries” of Ethiopia, let’s open the tool box and see what else Ethiopia has as a tool vis a vis Eritrea:

            1) The continued incarceration of G15 and others at will is a tool for Ethiopia to show how barbaric PFDJ is

            2) The refusal to implement a constitutional order in Eritrea is a tool for Ethiopia to show how lawless PFDJ is

            3) The subjugation of the youth into an indefinite military service is a tool for Ethiopia to show how irresponsible PFDJ is

            4) The economic, social and political blockade of Eritrea by the regime is a tool for Ethiopia to show how unhinged and cruel the PFDJ rule is

            5) The introduction of foreign militia and distribution of AK-47 to civilian households in Eritrea is a tool for Ethiopia to show how destabilizing and dangerous to world peace PFDJ is

            6) The confrontation with with global institutions and self imposed diplomatic isolation of Eritrea is a tool for Ethiopia to show that PFDJ doesn’t abide by norms and standards of international practices

            7) The mass flight of the youth, including Kiros and Dejen, is a tool for Ethiopia to show that the PFDJ is an entity fomenting regional and international humanitarian crisis

            8) The refusal to acknowledge Eritrean victims of tragedies and burial right based on political accounts is a tool for Ethiopia to show that PFDJ is simply sadistic at its worst

            9) The fact that Eritrea has halted nation building, simply turned into a pariah military garrison and its diaspora are kept at bay from freely contributing to their nation’s well being in a healthy way (not supporting family through black market while destroying local financial system) is a tool for Ethiopia to show that PFDJ is not a force of peace, democracy, justice and development.

            I am going to leave it at 9 and not 10 because PFDJ is GODOLO and this would be a match for it. Now that you know Ethiopia has countless tools in its tool box, thanks to the GODOLO PFDJ, it is no need to worry about the two gentlemen.

            No doubt, there could have been a concept called a tool box for Eritrea, but that requires confident thinking and self respect that PFDJ would be out of its wits to understand.

            Cheers

  • አዲስ

    Hi Abraham,

    You said:

    “I strongly believe any relationship should be based on the free will of both peoples and on mutual respect”

    I definitely agree with that and from what I read from Horizon I believe he does too. I hope we base all our interaction with each-other from mutual respect and benefits.

    Thanks,
    Addis

  • Amde

    Selam Ato Gud

    Ante sewye, Teregaga. I am just an online nobody. Please direct your “Leave” diatribe to the Ethiopian government.

    You wrote a few paragraphs built on the assumption of Ethiopian Assab-lust. I am telling you Assab’s days as an economically meaningful port for Ethiopia are numbered. A camel zoo might be a vjable option – does Wedi Afom know?

    Amde

    • Gud

      Amde,
      Online nobody? nice name. But you are an Ethiopian, aren’t you? You follow your country’s affairs (Or is it just Eritrean affairs) Forget about your country who is hanging on to other country’s sovereign soil just in case it would lead to a sea outlet, your presence in an Eritrean forum can even be traced all the way to your quenching covet for Assab consciously or otherwise.
      Get this: there is absolutely no justification for your country not to abide by the EEBC ruling. And it is absolutely cheap of you Ethiopians to preach about brotherly relationship and what not with Eritrea, while you are mum to the illegal action of your nation. Absolutely none.
      Your pal Horizon at one time emptied his guts on this forum (Believing Eritreans are broken enough and their nation failed enough) and told us openly he wanted to exchange Badme (Eritrean) for Assab (Eritrean). It is only a matter of time till you get your turn

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    Having gotten the correct facts about the two Eritreas, one may notice that the focus is on tomorrow. After the one of the two Eritreas suffered setbacks after setbacks due to incompetent leadership, it is fair now to say “game over.”

    Yes, after the one of the two Eritreas lost its luster and could not be polished to restore its luster and have a bright future look, it is not fair to say that those who are fleeing in droves are misguided.

    It’s not just fair to deny the whole people peace of mind by denying each a little corner to nestle down and call it home. Even birds do that and flee their nests when the weather denies their baby birds nestling in their warm nests.

    It’s not just fair to impose on the whole people economic hardship on top of the already hard hit economy by the system’s failure in order to make your point that the UN’s embargo is hurting the people. Simply, therefore, easy to say the system has becomes addictive to internal abuses, wars with neighboring countries, intervention in others’ internal affairs, condoning international criminals and use of coercive diplomacy.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi V.F:
    I think the misunderstanding for most part emanates from your phrasing . Except Abi who hates the smallest thing to do with Eritrea, the rest is your fault.
    My understanding of your point was that Eritrean ingenuity, hard work their experience of the long hardship being sequeezed between Ghedli and Dergi will serve them to shine, excel to climb the ladder to become leaders in politics, business and in the bigger society. And the union will not damage their identity as this time it will be based on choice and it is not forced, equally the union will not damaged Ethiopia as she is accepting all not to melt them in its pot as HSI and Dergi deed but in a multi-cultural Ethiopia, a diversity that will enrich and freshens its stale past, all groups smoothly navigating through the complex country und!er the rule of law
    I believe Maekebay also asked a good question: here is how I will rephrase it: in a democratic Eritrea, if a representative of the people introduces a bill for Eritrea to join the union with Ethiopia and openly campaigns and wins a few supporters from the parliament and sizeable of his/her electorate , would we send him to Ela-Ero?
    Yes, I think we should keep Ela-Ero, not put people in it but as a reminder of the PFDJ days adorned with the photos of IA, ST and dawit as symbolic prisoners in the dungeons where hundreds of Eritreans perished under the watchful eyes their follow citizens, their follow human being.

    • V.F.

      Semere, I was following you very well until you said:

      “in a democratic Eritrea, if a representative of the people introduces a bill for Eritrea to join the union with Ethiopia and openly campaigns and wins a few supporters from the parliament and sizeable of his/her electorate , would we send him to Ela-Ero?”

      What are you trying to get at with that question and even your more confusing reply to the question?

      Regards.

    • Fnote Selam

      Semere,

      A litmus test on those who believe legitimate process should allow them to lawfully and openly campaign for union w/ Eth. Would these people also, in principle and in action (politically), support a legitimate process for some groups in Eth to secede from Eth (it is in Ethn constitution after all)?

      The answer to the question will tell a lot of about these people.

      BTW, rememebr, we are rebuilding Karsheli as a museum…..

      FS>

  • Gud

    Shum/Saleh,

    It is not like Ethiopians are not working (attempting) for Eritrea (Assab) to get back to mama Ethiopia. It is just V.F (Ermias?) did not read the instruction manual properly before he opened his mouth and talked about unification loudly.

    The steps of the Woyanie (Ethiopis) formula goes like this:

    1) Exaggerate Eritrea’s problems/ people’s miseries and propagate the failure of Eritrean statehood, or give the impression that Eritrea is going down the drain, hence it needs saving. Make it look it is an emergency and “Afe Arkibu”**.

    2.) Propagate/exaggerate Ethiopia’s economic achievement and democratic stride (Never mind it is non existent). Always use it as a reference to indicate the severity of the failed state or about to fail nation on number 1 above.

    3. Always make it look as if we have to beg Ethiopians to take us back. You have to add the qualifier “If Ethiopians are willing to take us back” on every sentence. (You will find it on the posts of prominent commenters here like Hayat, Horizon, Pappi, to some Extent Amanuel H, and you will also find it mentioned right here on this thread by Haile G, in his communication with Mahmud ). You have to make Ethiopia look way superior and Ethiopians would have to be begged to do Eritreans a big favor and consider taking them back.

    Number three is where our V.F made a mistake. He totally missed it and said Eritreans would be on top after the unification and something equally idiotic.

    The point is, the V.F’s are tiny, there are other Eritreans who are perfecting all the above three points, with out openly mentioning the word “Unification” openly.

    *What else is the purpose of sleeping on the EEBC ruling and also working for sanctions and what not to squeeze eritrea. All that is to get Assab, there is nothing else behind it.

    **Most people in the so called opposition are into this knowingly or unknowingly

    • dawit

      Dear Gud,
      That was good observation!

    • Amde

      Ato Gud

      Assab is done. Stick a fork in it.
      Go back to the drawing board.

      Amde

    • V.F.

      GUD,

      You have correctly identified the reverse psychology of some individuals but the majority of Ethiopians love Eritreans as their brothers and sisters and they are praying one day we will be talking about regional integration. But the warmongers like you would rather have our people and villages turn to ashes first before you can talk with Ethiopians. This website is full of extremists. It is extremely shocking.

      What would you rather save? Eritreans or Eritrea (the land drawn up by Menelik conveniently to divide us from our brothers and sisters in Tigray)?

      • Abi

        Hey VF
        Gud is saving the land his brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers dearly payed for. He values it , cherish it, respect it and wants to keep it. He doesn’t abandon it when the going gets taugh or wish to be the leader of his neighbors. He wants his and his only.
        Gud , I hope I am right.

        • V.F.

          Yes you are Abi. But he couldn’t careless for the people. Good observation my friend. You are making progress. God bless you.

          • Shum

            Hey V.F.,

            Tsk, tsk, tsk. You don’t even know when someone is browbeating you. Please read Abi again when he says “He doesn’t abandon it when the going gets taugh or wish to be the leader of his neighbors. He wants his and his only.”

            Was that a good observation too? I can only imagine what brought you to this. I sense pain but I think you’re firing in the wrong direction. Think carefully of what you’re writing. Your people need your strength, not your capitulation.

          • V.F.

            Shum, you are extremely naive. Abi is not here to advance what is good for the Eritrean people. He is here to get a high out of our suffering, in-fighting, confusion, paranoia, you name it. And what he wrote to Gud couldn’t be more sarcastic. There is no one who hates you and the rest of the Eritrean people more than Abi does, probably up there with Isaias Afwerki.

          • Shum

            Hello V.F.,

            I’ve seen Abi in this forum for a long time now. There are a few Ethiopians who come in and drop their vitriol and you can sense they get a high from the suffering. Some examples include Feven and Admas. I wouldn’t put Abi in the same category. I’ve read quite a bit that makes me cringe. He doesn’t value Eritrea or see it the way I do nor do i expect him to. I used to wonder why he says the things he says. But every now and then, he gives you an insight into himself that makes you understand even if you don’t agree. I wish he’d join Disqus so I can reference his exact wording, but Eritrea’s independence was a sad day for him, he cried. He obviously invested emotional and nationalistic meaning to it. For him, its severance was betrayal. All of his rants about Arabs, Eritreans in Ethiopia, current conflict, I believe, stems from that.

            I don’t expect Abi and other Ethiopians to hold dear what I hold dear and revere what I revere. I also know there are varied opinions from Ethiopians but this forum seems to attract a certain cross section that though has some diverse opinions, they have nearly total agreement regarding Eritrea. That’s fine. But to be honest, what I care about most is the pulse of the Eritrean people. I care what you are advocating because it will take us in circles.

          • Abi

            Selam Shum
            Did I cry when eritrea was separated ? I cried for long time.
            I grew up with eritreans in good and bad times.
            Let me give you an example
            In 1980 EC, there was a wedding at our immediate neighbor who was one of the succ eritreas. In order to put a large tent for the wedding, we demolished a 2 meter high brick fence and cleared the flower garden . Some of the guests who came from Asmara were staying with us. I left my bed for the guests I have never seen before.
            I can give you more examples. At one time two of my father’s assistants, his secretary and his personal driver were all eritreans. All of them come home all the time I loved his driver a lot. He used to let me drive . Honest to God , my father used to buy sheep for his driver for every holiday for as long as I remember. In those days when Eritrean were deported my father’s driver and his two children and his wife moved to our home. They were protected. Long story short I feel betrayed. It hurts to read when Ato Amanuel boasts about mass mobilization or when Hope boasts about high achievers.
            Hope, I was not prepared. I didn’t see it coming. I was blind.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abishu,

            You really really spoke for me with this…

            One of my saddest days was, when I heared a VOA interview of Genretinsae Tedla, humiliatingly insulting, not the Ethiopian government, but the Ethiopian people… That has culminated it for me the mountain of betrayal and back stabbing that we have been subjected to, particularly by the Kebessa Eritreans…No one has ever explained it beautifully, as you just did.. Thank you..

          • አዲስ

            Eyob,

            What exactly did he say? I am asking this not to inflame or revisit bad times but am just curious as a former customer of that pastry. What did the owner think of me? 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            Well, what he thought of you as his customer was that “you are uncivilized and never capable to be civilized, with out his and his “countrymen” help”. He said he taught Ethiopians not only how to eat with fork and knife, but the meaning of fork and knife….And he had a long diatribe about about us being and continue to be nobodies and nothing with him and his countrymen living in Ethiopia…He warned that Shabia would finish us, and we brought it on ourselves the ending of…the..******** country, as we are about to be annihilated….I am trying to find the Audio from 1999..I will give you the link, if I find it…

          • አዲስ

            Eyob,

            Those cakes were so good I didn’t even need a fork and knife. I Just went ham on them every time:)

            Thanks for the reply and will look forward to the audio if you can find it.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Shum

            Hello Addis,

            I dont know why your comment made me LOL hard. You seem to eat like me. Maybe Ato Gebre had you in mind when he made that comment :-). Thanks for making lemonade out of lemons. You reminded me how in America, whenever someone says something off color about a racial or religious group, there’s always an expectation you’ll stop patronizing their business. I can’t tell you how many guilty pleasures ive enjoyed over the years.

          • PTS

            Eyob,
            You sure know a lot about negative statements, views, remarks, stories……I never heard you talk about anything positive. In your life, is there anything good you ever witnesses/heard/saw/read about anyone from Eritrea?

          • Eyob Medhane

            PTS,

            There is plenty…and I always talk about it. You just miss reading it…

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            First, enkwan le berhanu mesqel adereswo

            Second, this is the 4th time you are mentioning this man. Your hardy ancestors are heartbroken by what cry-babies you and Abi have become. You cannot take one man, one interview, make him representative of a nation.

            Third, you can’t alternatingly present yourself as the apostle of the Eritrean highlanders and then insult them. Unless, like Issu, you believe tough love is the only kind of love.

            Here’s a mash-up of Boehner crying. You and Abi have earned it:)

            http://youtu.be/FyxioZZdiTg

            Saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Enkuan Abro Aderesen…

            That one man actually was a representative of a sentiment that many Eritreans had. Therefore, I quoted him for the last 16 years, every time I needed to demonstrate my point…

            Abi and I are not crying anymore. What we just are saying is we can not be “lewahat” anymore. We keep what we have, what is ours is ours and what is yours is yours. Not unlike, what it was. “What is ours is yours and what is yours is also yours” (Sorry VF)….

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            You know the expression ” kagegnehat siTegn, kaTahat wusedat “?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Eyob,

            Do you really believe that the man you use to demonstrate your point represent to many? how many is many? To be “lewah” is natural virtue. If you have it, you own it as a virtue. It becomes part of you and you can’t change it. If you don’t have it, you don’t have it at all as simple, and you couldn’t learn it. So Eyobay why do you want to convert yourself to the opposite of your character if you were “lewah.” Politics and humanity are different, and to be lewah is humanity.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            This is just great!
            So you want Eyob Medhane from Shashemene to play Jesus Christ from Nazreth?
            One is powered by The Holly Spirit while the other is powered by some unholy leaf.
            Take it easy.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Aman,

            You keep saying we need to move on and look to the future. It sounds good. But it seems that you expect only us to move on. Many (when I say many, I meant majority) of Eritreans seem still to not ready to move on…

            Look what your compatriots tell the “ferenj” what they think of us Ethiopians. These are not PFDJites. These are regular, everyday people. Read the caption on the right side of these pictures….

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/sep/23/cycling-eritrea-national-team-in-pictures

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Eyobay

            What I mean by that is, the past is a past , can ‘ t we live on the new reality, removing the Barriers and creating peace and stability to our people. The bright future is attainable and let us create the conditions. This is my Call at this time . The current grudges will take us no where.

            Regards

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            My 4 year campaign to rehabilitate you from your anger against Eritrean “elite” appears to have made little progress. Here’s the full quote on Carmelo Saglimbeni (who, incidentally, was a childhood hero):

            Carmelo Saglimbeni, 75, chosen for the Olympic squad in 1960 and 1964, was forced to ride in Ethiopia’s colours. Like most amateurs, he’d train by moonlight to avoid detection, but one night, he recalls, along with another local legend, Tesfalidet Hailom, he was shot at and beaten by Ethiopian troops. He moved to Italy in 1980, and recently returned to Eritrea for the first time in 35 years. ‘I thought everyone would have forgotten me,’ he said, starting to weep. ‘But the whole population of Eritrea were waiting for me to come back’

            How does this in anyway show that an “everyday Eritrean” is telling a Ferenj what he thinks of Ethiopians?

            Moving on:

            Mazzola’s father was Italian, and he recalls his mixed-race upbringing being full of challenges. When Haile Selassie’s Ethiopia cracked down on the Eritrean independence movement with near unimaginable viciousness, Mazzola organised races throughout the city as an outlet for the frustrated and frightened young men. ‘They couldn’t stop cycling, because the people felt it. Even as people were dying, cycling continued,’ he told me. ‘It was the dream of the people’

            Again, what in this statement, narrated by an elderly man recalling his youth, signify in anyway hatred for Ethiopia?

            You and Abi are drama queens, really.

            saay

          • dawit

            Dear Mufti Saay, Please be patient on Ethiopian elites, it took them to recognize, there was a war going on in Eritrea, how do you expect them to wipe out propaganda in just four years AT University education? I had a good Amharic proverb that fits to describe those who sleep in class, but Kokobi does not want me to repeat it.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Carmelo, just unloaded a load B********. An Ethiopia government FORCED him to be at the Olympics, and yet he was prevented to be trained for the sporting event that he was “forced” to participate and wn. So much so that his friend had to be shot by soldiers, while they were training in the dark “to avoid detection” ( detection from what? I thought the government had ordered him to be trained and FORCED him to where Ethiopian “colors”) And then it sends its soldiers to beat down and shoot at its Olympic athlets? Really?

            Age the other one, when there was “unimaginable viciousness” in his “homeland”, he had a time to organize cycling races throughout the city to fullfill the “dream of the people”?

            This is just not only bunch huey, but displays hate towards Ethiopia and Ethiopians….

          • saay7

            Hey Eyob:

            1. “The unimaginable viciousness” were the words of the ferenj Guardian reporter, and not Giovanni Mazzola. He says even people were dying [1980s], cycling continued. All true. In fact, Eritreans from that generation (Ghezae Hagos, Berhe Yeman] have addressed this.

            2. Carmelo did not say an Ethiopian government forced him to be at the olympics, he said it forced him to wear its colors. This was, remember, 1960 and the Eritrea-Ethiopia federation was still alive. The part about him being shot at as he practiced could have been anytime between 1960-1980 (you need to read attentively, dude) and, in case you didn’t know, there was sunset to sunrise curfew in much of Eritrea. And if you violated the curfew (as he apparently did, by cycling), you got stopped, you got interrogated, and you got beaten. And if you evaded, you got shot at. This was every day Eritrea.

            I don’t know why two old men, narrating the most interesting things that happened to them in their youth, are interpreted as displaying hate to Ethiopia and Ethiopians.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            No…Carmelo was chosen in 1960 AND 64 for Olympics. As I understand the the federation was over in 1961…Which means at least in one Olympics event, the old man was complaining that he was FORCED to put on Ethiopian “colors”..and had to be “shot at” and “beaten” to train for Olympics by the same country that he was FORCed to represent… I don’t think even Girma Asmerom would tell such a tall tale about representing Ethiopia in Mexico Olympics in a much more prestigious game called football…as opposed to a sport very few around the world care about… 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            Again, he lived in Asmara UNTIL 1980. This means the Ethiopian government had plenty of opportunities to shoot at him long after 1964. You make it sound like the shooting was targeted: it was just some poor conscripted Ethiopian soldier who was ordered to shoot at anything that moves ignoring the “Qum!” command during the curfew.

            Never mind Girma Asmerom…. how badly is your football team sucking now? 🙂

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Our football team…well, it’s doing great (y) Now, for African cup last round qualification, we plan to beat Algeria, which is nothing really..for World Cup qualification we have a game on October 11th in Addis with São Tomé, we now have professional players in our squad like never before.. (Ethiopians, who play in Algeria, Egypt, South Africa, Sweden… )…So we are doing great, thank you very much… 🙂

          • saay7

            Haha Eyob:

            Why do you want to give poor Abi a heart attack on a Sunday. Your four super stars, Walid Ata, Salahadin Said, Omer Ukuir and Getaneh Kebede, all play for ARAB countries. For Areboch. You know how much he hates Arabs. Do they like have to take extra showers before they touch the holy Ethiopian soil? And, dude, Sao Tome (population: less 200 thousand)? If you lose to them..oh boy.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hummmm Sal,

            Well done… by the way it is Omed not Omer (tsk tsk tsk)… and we are now negotiating with Pope Tawdros to have him back… :-)… Walid, now is with Turkish team so..Turkish is not Arab.. 🙂 Salhadin is sent to Algeria to spy on them like we did to you with Mola Asghedom…. Getaneh…. Eh…..I got nothing… 🙂

          • Ted

            Hi. Saay How do they justify this much hostility only to find it on the one dude’s VOA interview,. I hope they get tired of it some time in the future ;whatever floats their boat. All we ask is to get out of territory.

          • saay7

            Ted: the only way I can justify it is that they were completely ill-informed about how popular the Eritrean revolution was, choosing to believe their governments (Haile Selasse, Derg) propaganda that it was all b’and ij yemikoteru Eritreans plus be-petro-dollar yesekeru areboch. When they, belatedly, understood that virtually every Eritrean supported the revolution, they felt “betrayed.”

            But this is classic awko yetegna with much-delayed reaction. For example, why would Abi be shocked that Emma was recruiting Eritreans? How does he think all the Eritreans who were in ethiopia join the revolution, because they got a telegram from Sahel and Barka?

            Drama queens 🙂

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            There is no drama queen here. My point is we missed to see the drama when you played it in our face.
            I expected some supporters for the ” shiftas “. However, the magnitude and then the arrogance was really shocking.

            There is another shocking story to it. When Eritreans were forced to be deported. They thought they can milk the cow in Addis and make cheese in Asmara. They didn’t see it coming because they were busy at guayla and milking the cows. Can we call them awqew yetegnu?
            No ! They didn’t expect this to happen as I didn’t expect the great majority to be behind Tqit shiftoch.

          • Ted

            Hi Abi, don’t blame us for your leaders incompetence( lies). I know they did it to protect your ego and you loved it. In a sense you were willing participant in the charade when they told you “Tqit shiftoch”. If the last 24 yrs doesn’t help you heal(see the truth), we can’t be in the position to alleviate your grief now. Friends?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Wo Abi,

            Can’t we close that chapter of our history and move on, on what can be done to bridge the two fraternal people. I have no doubt we will do better as two countries, with an open market for goods and services across our the borders and beyond. We only need leaderships who understand that concept.

            Regards,

          • Gud

            Hey Abi,

            You realize independence of Eritrea was in 1991/1993 and the deportation happened in 1998, right? Your story implies you were still in very good terms even after the independence (1991 till deportation). So does that mean you cried because of the 1998 war and deportation of Eritreans? or because of the independence? So how does the betrayal fit here? 🙂

            Seriously though, your love for Eritreans is appreciated, and trust me all of us may have lots of good personal stories to tell as well. But your love for Eritreans can not be expressed more than respecting their choice and right to be owners of their county. And any relationship should not be by force either. Like what is happening with the border ruling and what not,.
            Still who said the personal relationship between the two people should stop anyway.
            By the way are you getting all serious on us these days? 🙂

          • Abi

            Hey Gud
            This is a life long R/P I am taking about. You just don’t cut it . We are still at it. You become family.
            91-98 is also the time eritreas showed there arrogance. There are some I was happy seeing them deported.
            Gud, I cried because of the independence, of course. I thought we were together in good and bad. But when you see eritreans dance in your face, you feel betrayed. Although it is fading now, there are always flashbacks that triggered anger.

          • PTS

            Abi,
            I think you mixing things up. The deportation took place under the current government.

          • Ted

            Hi, Abi why go mushy and sentimental on us. You know we don’t handle it well, if you don’t know, it was the 11th reason why we separated;-). Better drop the L bomb so we hate you more. When you feel yourself in a few days, we happily offer you Mizan for warm up(he asked for it).

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            Now I know that you are not sentimental at all . It took me some time. Better late than never.
            We live to learn. Keep Mizan with you . He is a pain in all the wrong places.

            I have a special person to warm me up. A person to calm me down, a person I rely on at all times, a person whisper in my ears, who assures me everything is going to be alright….

            Please don’t disturb.
            Ahun man Terah?

          • Ted

            Hi Abi. Enjoy your special some one. Just stay away from bubble bath.

          • Ted

            Hi, Mizan . I like you more when you used to lash out at the Eritreans, the uneducated, kebero junkies, unsophisticated, and illiterates. It was all cool when you cry for the deceased Eritreans in the sea , desert and for those who lost their kidney. Why not make a case for Sudan while you are there. Do i need to remind you that you don’t trust TPLF and Ethiopians intentions for Eritrea.What happen to you my Man.

          • saay7

            Hi Ted:

            Be patient with Mizan. He reminds me of a line from Gosaye song:

            Wesewesw lbien wesewesew
            Hulet fqr yzogn and sew
            Andun k’ager andun k’agere sew

            He loves Eritreans (well, at least Hamassien, Seraye, Akele) and he loves Ethiopia (well, at least the Ethiopia represented by Tigray, Gojjam, Showa and Gonder). What’s a man to do?:)

            Here are Ephrem and Gossaye. No sax, but lots of keyboards.

            http://youtu.be/gTYNKYy-y64

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Wait a second…Mizan loves just Tigray, Gonder, Gojam and Shewa? What about Wello? What did Wello Gera geru, do?

          • Abi

            Ante Qeshim
            Wollo has more muslims than he can handle. The Alis, the Musas, Addiieeemm…

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abiye,

            But the Welo Alis and Abdus their last name is Getachew and Ayele…. 🙂

            Here is yewelo sim

            Mohammed Eshetu
            Ali Tareqegn
            Kedir Yetmgeta
            Yohannes Hussein…
            Abinet Yassin… 🙂

            So I was hopping that should be enough for him.. 🙂

          • V.F.

            Simply brilliant Saay. I love it!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi cousin:
            just read your comment authorizing me as your biographer in response to Abel, you bypassed SGJ and this comment that characteristically veers to music, your new cigar shop in Nefasit all are helpful for your biographer to be
            happy sat

          • saay7

            Cousin iSem:

            I think you forgot one of the conditions of the biography is that I have to be dead. I am assuming you are much younger and healthier than me.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            Well, still the cigar store and your writing will be there, so?
            About much younger and much healthier, well, I too drink my green too run my 5k and sit on my behind on a computer long so do not assume 🙂

          • Abi

            Hi VF
            I said Ethiopia for Abi , Eritrea for Ermi .
            I said I don’t need both Assab and Badime.
            I also said I don’t die for you.
            Show me the hate part.
            Thanks

          • dawit

            Dear Abi,
            I honestly admire your stand. You are the only Ethiopian who arrived at AT University like most Ethiopians with very little knowledge of Eritrea, brain washed with Haile Selassie’s, Derg and Woyane distorted history. After arriving at AT you learned the true history of Ethiopia and Eritrea to reach an independent matured and reasonable stand.
            I really don’t understand the ‘mehal sefari’ Eritreans Shum and V.F. why they cannot accept your new independent stand. I wish the rest of Ethiopian gang here at AT, learned the truth and work for the betterment of the two people to live in peace as good neighbors. Ethiopia has a vast fertile land enough for its people, and does not need Eritrea, likewise Eritrea have enough land and resources more than enough for its population, it does not need to encroach on Ethiopian resources. They could trade voluntarily to complement each others’ need. “ፍቅር ካለ ዘጠኝ ቂጣ ለባልና ሚስት ያጠግባል። ይባላል, but without love, even nine loaves will not be enough to satisfy a husband and wife hunger. We have more than enough land, sea and mineral resources to eliminate poverty in a very short period time from the horn of Africa. But unfortunately instead of learning from our past mistakes, we keep repeating same 3000 years mistakes based on distorted history. The mehal sefaris, are sniffing for wealth and power. They know they are not getting it from PIA, so they looking it in Ethiopia. They have extremely short memories, the last time the two countries were together, we killed each other to almost extinction for 30 years, and I am sure the V.F. and his group were clapping for ‘independence’ and today they are composing a new song ‘Unification’, Time to change a ‘night club’
            Abi you are true Abnet, keep up your independent stand.’ Ethiopia for Ethiopians and Eritrea for Eritreans’. I love it!
            Cheers!

          • Eyob Medhane

            ዳዊት

            እንዴ ዘጠኝ ቂጣማ ለልጆቻቸውም ይተርፋል። 🙂 “..ፍቅር ካለ እንጎቻም (ትንሽዬ እንጀራ) ባልና ሚስት ያሳድራል..” ነው የሚባለው። 🙂

          • dawit

            Dear Ato Eyob;

            ኣቶ እዮብ ስለ ኣማርኛው ተረትና ምሳለው ለኛ ለኣራዳ ልጆች ይተዉት። የእርስዎ የሻሸመኔ እንጎቻ ብትሉትም ቅሉ ትክክለኛው ግን “ፍቅር ካለ ዘጠኝ ቂጣ ለባልና ሚስት ያጠግባል። ነው የሚባለው። ደግሞ “ኣማርኛ እንዳበጁሽ ትበጃለሽ” ሲባል ኣልሰሙምን? የእርሶም ተረት ያስከዳል ኣሁን ደግሞ በንጎቻና በቂጣ ኣንጣላ።

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear dawitom,
            I hope Eyobay didn’t notice all what you are saying.don’t repeat it in the future. or delete it if you can please now.

          • dawit

            Dear Kokhob,
            Do you want me to interpret for you in Gojamgna? When Arada’s meet people like you they have another saying “XXXX tanqelafalech”. Ibakoten aya, Kokeb, be senbet hatiat ayanagrugn.
            Cheers

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡት ዳዊት :-
            ኣይፋልካን !! ኣብ’ዚ ስነስርዓት ዝመለኦ መርበብ እዚ ዝዓይነቱ ቃላት ምድርባይ ቅቡል ኣይኮነን :: ኣይፍልካን ደምስሶ ::

          • Shum

            Dearest Dawit,

            There you go once again reaching the wrong conclusions from what is before you. I’ve accepted Abi in the past, I accept him now. That was part of my defense of Abi to VF. I don’t know what a mehal sefari is, but please show me where I’ve advocated for wealth and power from Ethiopia. I assume you’re not pulling that out from your a**.

          • dawit

            Deraestest Shum,
            I am sorry if I lumped you together with V.F. please accept my apology. I thought you are as usual clapping on the side for V.F. However, I am not able to understand your a** or (xxx) language. Can you explain your coded message. As usual I don’t expect you to answer. That is past experiences.

          • Shum

            Selam Dawit,

            I’ve never clapped for V.F. or anyone. I honestly think you have me confused with someone else. Anyway, I accept the apology. I got carried away with some off color language on Awate yesterday and for that I apologize.

          • Abi

            Mezmure dawit
            One thing I know about Shum is he is quite a gentleman. You can’t put him with the Very Funny people.
            I have the utmost respect for him. I hope you do as well.

            Hey, what happened at Richmond, VA?
            Was Prof Gedeon part of the cycling team. I hope he will come with some kind of statistical explanation for the 11 place finish.

          • dawit

            Hi Abi,

            I will revise my comment about Shum, thank you for pointing it to me. Richmond VI? Didn’t you read SAAY’s comment. 11, the “Double First”! comment ( Twice #1 in one game). By the way Eritrean Cycling Fans were the biggest and the loudest fans, cheering their cycling heroes, (Still #1 fans in the world) http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/why-are-there-so-many-eritrea-fans-at-the-world-championships-193183

            That was on Friday, Stay tuned today Sundayyou may hear their roaring where ever you live!!
            They say ‘Cycling is the other religion in Eritrea’.

          • Abi

            dawit
            Are you kidding? Those fans are Ethiopians cheering for gorebet ager.

            I know the othe religion is camel riding. Saay is the undisputed champion.

          • saay7

            Hi Abi.net:

            You got the days and cities confused. Don’t blame you because they sound the same:

            Bicycle race in Richmond, Virginia: September 25, 2015
            https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/647449963979505664

            Camel race in Virginia City, NV: September 11, 2015:
            http://www.visitvirginiacitynv.com/event-calendar/month.calendar/2015/09/27/-.html

            Your compatriots in Raya-Azebo*, Afar, and Somali kilil have taken note of your sneering at their beloved camels.

            saay

            * Where is His Fantiness?

          • Abi

            Saay
            What is this? A petting zoo? Well, you know your stuff very well.

            Fantastic is away looking for Hayat before the match b/n Ato Amanuel and Semere T.

          • dawit

            Abi, Don’t make fun of the our Royal Animals, the Camel and Donkey. They are the most valuable treasured animals, we Ethiopians and Eritreans share. I don’t understand why Ethiopia does not honor the donkey and make it as a national symbol? Even the US Democratic Party honor it as their national symbol. What do you think Abi?

      • Pass the salt

        To Mr V.F,
        Vice Chair
        Eritrean Democratic Union’s Party (EDUP)
        7500 Sematat Blvd
        Asmara, Eritrea

        Dear Mr Vice Chair,
        I am writing this letter to ask for clarifications on the goals of your party. In the campaign trail, you have been vigorously advocating for re-union with Ethiopia through federation. Your initial argument was that we will benefit because we will be in a position to ascend to the political/economic power. But when you got push-backs from the Ethiopians, you shifted and basically stated that your initial proposal doesn’t mean special offerings or privileges but simply the way it was during federation. Dear Vice Chair, if you are offering us the same thing we had during that time and which we paid dearly to reject it, don’t you think you are offering a 30 year armed struggle all over again?
        As a candidate in the upcoming national election, you owe it to the voters to make your position and your offerings crystal clear, with emphasis of convincing Eritreans more so than Ethiopians.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Gud,

      The current Eritrean sovereignty will not change at least in my generation and your generation (if you are younger than me). That is a closed history book. I don’t know what will hold with the future generations and the dynamics that they will face in order to keep peace and development for the generations that follow them.The current political game is how to live peacefully with your neighbors, and if possible mutual economic cooperation to change the lives of the people in the region. Regional economic integration is possible within the countries of our region, if their leaders are matured enough to understand the benefit of it. So try to move on and don’t stick on the old argument that has lost merit to our current reality. Eritrea is born, it will survive and exist, irrespective the pretext of the current government.

      • Gud

        Ato Amanuel

        Now that I got the chance to meet you again, let me advice you NOT to give any advice at all (advice not to give advice? Boy that sounds strange, right? 🙂 ) I mean absolutely nooo advice from you. Nor should you try to act like fatherly figure either. Because you suck at it my man, you are dishonest and your attachment and subordination to Woyanie is unparalleled.

        When I wrote the three points above I had you and your likes in mind and I can match (Link) you to each one of them easily.

        You give the impression that Eritrea (A country you have never been to in 40 years) is failing and people have to go Aferkbu. Check. You praise Ethiopia like no other, despite that fact that it is violating Eritrea (Shame on you). Your subordination to Woyanie is like no other etc. etc.

        About all the globalization, cooperation and what not (which is a general truth and no brainer) you just listed, what does that got to do with Ethiopia’s refusal to evacuate Eritrean soil (At least remove its military from there)? Now, Amanuel, don’t you get tired of being dishonest? How can you talk about cooperation with an aggressor sitting in your bed with a gun pointing at your forehead? Why do you think woyanie is hanging on to Eritrea if not for Assab and may be more?Don’t come listing woyanies cheap talking points of dialogue other stuff

        Finally you said this: “Irrespective if current government”? Boy, you don’t even know your audience, do you? Who do you think you are talking to here, buddy?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Gud,

          Eske Qurub Aytitselel….HideE Bel Bejaka. But here is my position on the border issue which I completely agree with how AT put it ( on their editorial-Pencil). I will attach the “editorial” and only please read the subtitle “The Alternative.” That part of the piece completely and absolutely reflect to my sincere believe. You could twist it, or stretch it, or cut it according your mood, but that is my solid stand.

          http://awate.com/the-march-to-war-archives-2005/

          regards

          • Gud

            Amanuel,
            Funny, what happened to my advice for you not to advice? 🙂 Didn’t I tell you not to assume fatherly figure or act as some one who is capable of or in a position to give advice? I guess habits die hard. May be you suck at receiving advice too

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Gud,

            Brothers need to each other, and always share their wisdom. Even if you don’t take it, can’t you have an ear and patience to listen. Advises’ are absorbed sometimes directly and sometimes indirectly. May be you are from those who absorb slowly and indirectly. An Eritrean never give. Am I right Gud? Cool down please.

          • Gud

            Amanuel

            Never been cooler, below that, I will freez:). Are you? Cool, that is 🙂

            But, wait what is calm/cool to you though? Bashing PFDJ day in and day out? Kissing Woyanies boots every chance you get? Projecting all the fabricated stuff against Eritrea day and night? What is the things you do during your calmer/cool days in the forum?

            Receiving advice and listening is good. But we are talking about your crapy sense of entitlement to give it is the issue here. I gave it to you straight up. You suck, how else do you want me to tell you. Leave it at that. Cool?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Anta Gud,

            Trust me I am sure that you don’t believe on what you are retorting about me. You have assured me that I am your blood, the Eritrean blood. I know what makes you to freak out. You are very close to tell me – don’t talk about DIA, and don’t talk about Eritrea. If you talk don’t expose the reality of our people and their predicament under DIA. Am I right Gud? Say it, and I will quit this universty, for the sake of my brother Gud. I really worry about you than anything. Siga inte-wedeQet hamed hiza tile-al endyu negeru. How can I stop looking at you. Aren’t you my lost sheep – a metaphor from the holy book.

            regards,

          • Gud

            No you are not right, ato Amanuel. Scroll up and see how it started. The thing is, you don’t know Eritrea, its people and its government. Too dethatched to know s***. You can talk about Woyanie and Ethiopia, true. But even that wouldn’t be believable either, as your subordination would not allow you to be truthful. So go ahead talk away, it means squat. Besides, if you stop talking, what do I do then? 🙂
            Remember I gave you credit when you deserved it. And , yes, as long as you claim you are an Eritrean, you are my blood.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Gud,

            You want to take it back? I am sure you claimed me as your blood . I think when you were responding to Fanti Ghana two to three days ago. Actually, l do not want to surprise you but a person who knows to both of us gave me some indiction that we have real blood. I will check out with the link he gave me. Do not be repulsive when it becomes true. I cross my finger.

          • Gud

            Amanuel,

            Real blood? Take it back? Dude, what in the world are you talking about?

            By the way you need to check what your pal Horizon (Assab for badme) is saying now. Here, let me save you scrolling up :

            http://awate.com/eritrea-vs-eritrea-one-citizens

            And zoom in on the ” you have succeeded to land-lock ethiopia, when ethiopia had no sons to defend her rights” . Zoom in again on “When Ethiopia had no sons to defend her right” ummmm . Of course Horizon is reflecting what his country’s stand. Add this with his previous “Assab for Badme” which is also a reflection of his country’s stand on the border issue, you would have a good picture of what the famous dialogue is all about. So, I am asking you and all other Eritreans who are tucking their tail between their legs on this and are barking at Eritrea instead, do you really believe Ethiopia’s dialogue is about village swap? Get real

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Good morning Gud,

            Didn’t I tell you my primary motive at this time is to search my lost sheep, my brother Gud, my blood than anything. The border issue can not be solved by debating at this medium. I have reached at this conclusion long time ago. It can only be settled by legitimate governments at the capital cities. What ever, you, horizon, and others comment at this medium will be relegated as individual’s opinion. That is all. And my opinion, you have it already.

            You asked me, do I really believe Ethiopia’s dialogue is about villages swaps? I don’t go by speculation. But I go to the table with the Eritrean interest at heart, to solve the problem of my people at the border. Do you remember from our old books in the struggle (if you had been there), the argument between “idealist” and “materialists” on asserting the primacy between “the mind” and “the matter” or between “nature” and “spirit”. In the same token, Eritrean politics also for sometime spur in to a debate on the primacy between “land” and “people.” I was from the proponent who stood on the “primacy of people.” So my approach to the solution of the border squarely based on the interest of my people on the border.

            Back to our bond (Gud and Amanuel), can we focus to our feud and look a solution to look a good family. If we can not solve our family feud, we can’t attempt to solve the problem of our society. Am I right Gud? Let us look as “lovable brothers” in this forum, then we can extend our love to others. It is not the ethics of the holy books only, it is the ethics of good politics also. Let’s move.

            regrads,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Gud

            Amanuel,
            Boy, it surely looks like you flipped from the moral-less, “crappy advice” only awate forum keshi into holy book waving, verse-siting keshi all of a sudden! (I guess there is a quickie for this :)) does this have to do with age and revising the by gone good old days/years? 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Wake up Gud!

            Did I answer your question about the border? How do you feel about that? Politics run in my blood also. I have them all. The problem is, you don’t look to have either one. Am I right? Good man= good politics. Badman= bad politics.

          • Gud

            Amanuel,

            Well, you will have to excuse this poor ”blood only through veins” guy, because the only thing I see in you is a poor old guy who basically died in 1981, and as if that is not bad enough, he is polishing woyanie’s boots at old age age.

            Politics through your veins? diplomacy? negotiation? man, you are something aren’t you. Get this, you COULD NOT negotiate your way to Eritrea in all your 50something years away from it. What does that say about you? You couldn’t negotiate yourself to go to an Eritrean embassy to do what you got to do to visit your home. You couldn’t negotiate with yourself to take your sorry (dead in 1981) a** down to the referendum desk to vote for the independence of Eritrea. Don’t get me started here, boy.

            About the border, ah about the border and your pathetic subordination to woyanie is unparalleled. You think you said something useful (Or new)? . I showed you what an Ethiopian who you always praise and take as representative of Ethiopia said: Here they are again:

            1. Assab (Eritrean) for Badme (Eritrean)

            2. you have succeeded to land-lock ethiopia, when ethiopia had no sons to defend her rights. This is in reply to my post stating Ethiopia’s refusal to abide by the EEBC ruling

            3. There is no way Eritrea can survive outside the blessing of Ethiopia (Or something to that effect). This is also in the context of the EEBC
            I also forwarded the question as to why Ethiopia is hanging on to Eritrea and not honoring EEBC.

          • Maekebay

            Gud,

            I don’t like people making up stories so I have to correct you. Amanuel Hidrat did not die in 1981. His close friends told me that he had die several years before 1981. As you know, people don’t die twice; they die only once. Now look how much anger this statement generates. I should get into my safe hole quickly before the tragic highlander ዑሱብ is sent by his masters to catch me “dead or alive”.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Gud,

            Let me make a closing statement to my argument: You have my position, print it and keep in your secret file. You will only open it when things settled. Now, whether the current government or new government (after the current government) comes, that they will sit in a round table and come with a solution on the border issue, sometime in the future ( I will bless you with more years to live to witness it). Then you will pull the printed out (Amanuel’s position) from your secret file. You will compare them (a) that they will sit to talk (b) that they will make some adjustment when they start to demarcate to resolve the inconvenience of the border people of both sides (c) That the two people will start to live in peace (d) that the two countries will co-exist peacefully (e) that the normalization will start (f) that the economic cooperation will start with the flow of goods and services from both ends. With that you will give your final verdict not now but at that time. Good bye brother and long live to witness history.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            ክቡር ኣማኑኤል :-
            እቲ ልዝብን ልቦናን ዝመለኦ ኣተኣላልያ ተጋደልትና ዘኪረስ ሕንቅንቅ ኢሉኒ ! እሞ ድማ ኣብ’ቲ እዋን ሕንቅንቅ ኢሉኒ ዝብል ቅኒት ነይሩ : እቲ ሓልዮትን ፍቅርን ሕ-ስብና ኣብ ገድሊ ክንዝክሮ እንከለና https://www.facebook.com/mesfin.mengistu.7/videos/10203901731015085/

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhobay,

            Thank you for the clip. Those cultures that reflected in the song are not there anymore. Sad as it is, we will regain them at one point of our history.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Sir,
            what makes me go back was the way you reply to those few aggressive guys. I can see the hope – sure we will regain that wonderful culture, thank you.

          • Maekebay

            Hello Gud,

            Earlier today I had a few lines posted to add to your comment, but you know, the moderator has refused to post it without any reason*. This guy (Amanuel Hidrat) has to be protected under any circumstance for his years of loyal service. This is a guy who has become a laughing stock of many Eritreans for his advocacy of others ethnic groups of Eritrea as “victims of Tigrigna hegemony”, and for that he is fully covered. Think of these types of people holding power in Eritrea. People like Amanuel Hidrat had turned highland Eritrea upside down during their involvement in the barbaric ghedli and they cannot be trusted at any rate.

            *Let us see if this comment makes it to the comment page preceded by the moderator’s words, “Don’t be paranoid Maekebay, we…”.

            Maekebay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Maekebay,

            ዓርኩ ካብ ‘ቶም ጀብሃን ሻዕብያን ሓመድ ድፋጭኦም ዝብልዕዎም ዝነበሩ ጀዋሱስ መግስቲ ኢትዮጵያ ዝተረፍካ ኢኻ ትመስል ኣይተሓዘካን እዩ :: otherwise how can you say our revolution was barbaric !

          • Maekebay

            Dear Kokhob,

            You guessed it right :-). I have always suspected that you have that psychic ability to read people’s mind. I will recommend your service to others.

            As to why I called the revolution was barbaric is because the crimes it perpetrated on the Eritrean people were barbaric. I have one quality that you don’t possess: I always call the spade a spade. The EPLF was doing exactly the same what the PFDJ is now doing to Eritrean people.

            Please don’t get me started on that semi-banditry and semi-revolutionary ELF. Every problem that we are facing now has its roots on that archaic organization: from declaring wars on its own people and confiscating their cattle (Dembless and Qohain), from the endless Gfa it carried out to exterminate highland Eritrean youths, from abusing and arresting our church leaders, and the list is endless. Kokhob*, you are either a plain ignoramus or a bigoted Rabita Al-Islamia demagogue. Tell us which one are you?

            *You have not gathered the courage to reveal your true identity yet and enjoy a fifteen minute fame. Please stop accusing people while you live a ghost-like life in this virtual world.

            Maekbebay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Maekebay,
            you know what? the present of PFDJ has given all anti peace and anti freedom guys a chance to talk. My friend take care, all those who paid their soul for our national freedom are right in our blood and my advice is just forget and don’t think we Eritreans will allow you to play with that. Hey, even all those who support PFDJ will not allow you and hope you will not stand in front of every Eritrean including PFDJ supporter. Take care my friend.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Sir,
            you are badly exposed. My advice for you, when comes to Ethiopian ex government spy service we Eritreans have one and one stand. this is including PFDJ supporters. you know our strength and please take care, that is my advice for you.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you comrade.
            “Good man= good politics. Badman= bad politics “

          • Ted

            Hi Amanuel H. I know you are veteran in Eritrea politics to know genesis of our being as independent country from its infancy. What you failed to understand and has been the achilles heels of your Co. argument is the lack of understanding of border issue. Ethiopia does not hold our territory for legal reasons or its humanitarian aspect. It’s sole reasons is to weaken us for their eventual egomaniacal dream.Unfortunately you and People in the opposition use this opportunity to further isolate and weaken PFDJ but lost perspective what matters for Eritreans. And if you continue to bury this issue as the matter of convenience for your struggle against PFDJ, you also bury yourself and what you stand for with it. The proof is in the pudding. It is astounding you show no shame championing the TPLF Gov who disrespected Eritreans and its territory.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Yes brother Ted,

            Don’t you think from your statement that you try to make me look bad and project yourself as good citizen who cares about our country? That is not a healthy approach even if you think I am wrong. What is bad from my position, that already I stated to brother Gud regarding the border issue? Can you argue on the content of my statement on the border issue? Do you want me to cry out “Ethiopia get out of our land” and then “viola” a good Eritrean. Is that what you want? I want a little deeper of political-diplomatic talk. You said “the proof is in the pudding”. What is the pudding of my idea in your observations please?

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Hi Amanuel H.
            You are good man(Eritrean) but bad Eritrean politician. The border issue, there no need for dialog except Ethiopia to leave the territory. The proof: you have not make a dent on Eritrean politics and never will as is. Your kind of view (championing Ethiopia) never influenced Eritrean Gov one bit rather gets the people behind it. There line for the need for justice and respecting sovereignty shouldn’t be crossed. You crossed it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Teddy,
            Can I ask you a simple question. The “mechanism of demarcation” is removed By the Eritrean Government (that is, the UN observers who are supposed to demarcate and put sign posts or pillars). When we are in such situation, do the two governments need to talk (informal and formal) to reinstate the mechanism? If not, how will the demarcation will be done? If yes how should they start the talks? Keep in mind Issayas doesn’t want to sit with his adversaries.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Hi Amanuel H. You are missing the point. The point is to help you trace back your steps as far as you can and see where you went wrong with Eritrean people and their interest. No mambo jambo explanation will do , just simple admission of wrong doing and going from there. I have a feeling your blunder visa vis Eritrea didn’t start since the border war but way back.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Teddy,
            Still you are talking none sense. We are where we are. What will be the end of the impasse? What will be the legal conclusion for it? Souldn’t it demarcated? They left it for TPLF from 1981 to 1991. From 1991 to 1995 Issayas told us the Ethio-Eritrean relationship will grow to. “dob zeyeblu birki ki-abi eye” and left it to Ethiopia. Amanuel have not any authority on the subject. The government have failed us. Focus to the inapt of the government. And can you trace and list my steps and show me where the wrong lies. Last ly you failed to answer all my questionS. You are not in debate mood, you the reason.

    • Dear Gud,
      In my opinion, Eritrea has three possibilities to choose from:
      1) Stay as an independent country, but in a confrontational and antagonistic relation with Ethiopia as she is doing now.
      2) An independent country and in friendly terms with Ethiopia, which will be the result of fullfillment of the interest of both people.
      3) In some sort of federal or confederetional relationship with the aim to work and live together in peace for the prosperity of both people.

      The first is a zero sum game, the second and the third will result in a win-win situation and a bright future.

      • Music Novice

        Greetings Horizon,

        How about, 4) Stay as an independent county, attach to a different orbit other than Ethiopia, and remain neutral to Ethiopia.

        There are also many other possibilities.

        • V.F.

          MN, Impossible.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings VF,

            Difficult, yes. But not impossible.

        • Dear M.N.,
          Which are the different orbits? Sudan, an Islamic country under a sharia law, or Saudi Arabia or Egypt? Remember, 50% of the Eritrean population is Christian. They will be a minority in any sort of relationship. South Sudanese, a Christian and animist people could not live freely. As much as Eritrean Muslims are concerned, I believe that it will not be difficult for them to interact with the 34% of Ethiopian Muslims.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,
            I am not sure but your answer seems to me not in it’s place since it is not the religion that creates the nation. I simply see it in different way, first and most we have long history very much connected so it is simple to see our culture is similar but above all from those all MN mentioned. An Eritrean can visit all those countries and the people will feel he is Habeshi but if someone from Eritrea goes to Addis no one will call him Arab. Now, more than all that it is the economical and social connection that also make us united.
            But very important and emergency is to have first democratic nation by removing PFDJ. then the mass will have to discuss, debate and put things in proper place
            now, the unity thing is not as urgent as removing the system and having legally chosen government.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Kokhob,

            Democracy (multi-party mayhem) does not seem to be urgent in Eritrea. Decency, rule of law, absence of callousness and thuggish behaviour are more appropriate.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear MN,
            are you trying to joke, Okay I can do it IA way.

            ” እወ ‘ሞ ሕጂ – ሕግን ስርዓትን ክትብል እንከለኻ እንታይ ማለትካ እዩ ? ኣነ ብዛዕባ ‘ዚ ብዙሕ ሃተፍተፍ ምባል ጠቃሚ ኮይኑ ኣይስመዓንን እዩ : እቲ ሕጊ ድበሃል ከምዚ እዩ ከምዚ ኢልና ክንዛረብ ንኽእል ንኸውን : ግን እቲ ሕጊ ድበሃል ደሎ መን ዘውጽኦ ሕጊ እዩ ? ካብ ብዓል ኣሜሪካ ድዮ ክቅዳሕ ወይስ ካብ ብዓል ቻይና ? ንምዃኑ ነዚ ድኸውን እኹል ቁጠባውን ሰብኣውን ዓቅምታት ኣሎ ድዩ ? ክኢላታትና ኸ ብዛዕባ ሕጊ ደልዎም ኣፍልጦ ክንደየናይ እዩ :: ዳሕራይ እቲ ገሊኡ ስራሕ ስለደይብሉ ብዙሕ ክዛረብ ይኽእል እዩ :: ብዙሕ ንሰምዕ ኢና -ግን ምስ ንፋስ ኣይትነፍስን ኢኻ ::

            ንሕና ከመይ እንተገብርና ይሓይሽ ኢልና ምስ ካቢነ ሚኒስትራት ብዙሕ ኢና ነዕልሉ :: ሕጂ ብዛዕባ ጉዳይ ዶብ ፍታሕ ኣብዘይተረኽበሉን ብዓል አሜርካን መሻርኽቶምን ንናይ ‘ዚ ህዝቢ ድልየታት ክምዝምዙ ከነፍቅድ — ፡ ኣነ መቸስ እዋእ ዘይከውን እዩ እምበር ከኣ ::

            እዚ ሒዝናዮ ዘለና መስመር ንምቅጻይ ዝግበር ዘሎ ሸርሕታት ንዓና ብዙሕ ኣየሻቅለናን እዩ “

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Kokhob,

            I am dead serious. I do not want to link democracy with the border issue, but having lived in Eritrea after liberation/independence and examining and meditating on the structure of the society, I firmly believe democracy will be seriously harmful to Eritrea.

            It is feasible and sensible to demand for basic decency, rule of law, absence of callousness and thuggish behaviour from the government.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Greetings MN,

            ድሓን ዶ ዓዲ ? can you explain? what do you mean. let me tell you short story, The beautiful young lady had failed love experience and once when we were talking about love she told me there is no real love. Why ? because she failed to have one. Lol. we didn’t close the subject but solved it. now she has a wonderful partner .

            But seriously, the word democracy will have meaning only relatively, but let’s talk about the fist stage, at least to have freedom of living in this world, having your nation, just to chose your system.

            Structure of society? what do you mean? why the structure of our society will be against democracy? in fact our society is comfortable ground than a lot of other societies but yes not easy.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Kokhob,

            Ok, I will spell out the obvious for you.

            Eritrea is built on multiple competing identities i.e. regions and religions. The country is sitting on many fault lines. Of course, this is a taboo issue, as people are in denial. Democracy, in this context, will lead people to vote along sub-national lines. Let alone on a country wide basis, it was difficult to run the University as it was split along regional lines.

            Do you agree with my assessment?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear MN,

            just because you have experienced in that one university under the useless group, can you conclude everything like that? no, my friend.

            then what is the struggle all about? is it to remove PFDJ only? no that is just the minor part of the struggle. it is our duty and responsibility to open right in front of all and solve it. you see, if you don’t struggle to create love and equality between people of you nation and other nations then it is even difficult if you have one ethnic group.

            the motto is “live and let others live in peace” even on family brothers will have differences and what governs them is the system to keep dignity of the other. be optimistic, ግዲ የብልካን እዛ ሃገር ካል ኣይ ከተዛርብ እያ ጥራይ ሓቦን ጻዕርን ፍልልያትና ምርቓ ድኣ እምበር መርገም ከምዘይኮነ ዘረጋግጽ ድንቅ ብርቅ ምዕባለ ከነርኢ ኢና :: ኣብሽር !!

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Kokhob,

            When you are struggling to right many wrongs, how will the country will be run? If you admit that there need to be a struggle, then you are also admitting there are problems. If a country has problems, multi-party democracy will be a health hazard that will make things worse.

            You said: “one university”. But the University was a microcosm (miniature reflection) of the whole country.

            You also said: “under the useless group”. I am surprised that you are naive. The EPLF/PFDJ is a formidable group.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear MN,
            Hi gentle man,
            I didn’t say EPLF I said the useless group. a man who fought fro national freedom can’t kill the nation. this is important point. so of EPLF fought for national freedom then the group who created mess in your university can’t represent EPLF. again I didn’t say the university don’t reflect the mass or not part of the mass but the management mostly might had been controlled by PFDJ. remember, other countries have managed to have a lot of universities while Eritrea lost the only one university and the honest hero fighter of EPLF is not to blamed for that but the useless group. again here comes one of the description of hero we all were discussing, continuous struggle to the maximum he can – be part of the society who never stop. for your information when you were experiencing that university conflicts, they were heroes already arrested for their political stand, some even taken form Sudan. it is always worth watching what is happening before going to that university or like some were trying to do business. those men and women who were in front of the group bravely were not crazy people. so it turns back always to you guys,

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Kokhob,

            We do not seem to be on the same page. I am talking about the 1992-93 incident at the University, but you are talking about God knows what. I am telling you what I witnessed in person, but you are talking about your preconceived ideas. I am pointing to what is, as reflected by concrete reality, but you are talking about what you wish reality to be.

            I repeat to you: Multi-party democracy, at the moment, is fatal to Eritrea. A type of medicine whose dangerous side effects outweighs its benefits should be avoided.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Greetings to Music Novice,

            we are in the same page my friend. But one of us may have misunderstood what the page is about. let’s put aside the Multi – party thing. I have experienced in our struggle that political words were confusing people. go direct to describe it. I am against one party like Semere Andom describe it the only “sole party and only ruling party ” the reason is simple :- it is because people have different views. that is the starting point. we have seen in our struggle time the idea that says “ሜዳ ኤርትራ ካብ ሓንቲ ውድብ ንላዕሊ ኣይጸውርን እዩ ” it never works and cost us a lot. and again we have experienced now after the so called national independent.

            the bad experience you went though in that university is even due to the same reason — the sole ruling party that never accepts any other view and any view. you can’t live in peace with out accountability, without alternative cross checks. that is the advantage of having different parties and a central government – which is slave of people with 3 dimension.

            you said “Multi-party democracy, at the moment, is fatal to Eritrea. A type of medicine whose dangerous side effects outweighsits benefit should be avoided.” read it again and you will see that we are under one group and we are suffering.

          • Dear Kokhob Selam,
            When I brought religion, it was in relation to the implimentation of the Sharia law on both Christians and Muslims and the impact it might have on people-to-people interaction. South Sudanese Christians were in a way expected to abide by the Sharia law, which in a way was difficult for both parties; for those who implimented it and those who had to respect the law. Remember the case of the young Christian Ethiopian (Eritrean) woman married to a Sudanese Man, and how she found herself in a grave danger (I am sorry, I do not remeber well the details). On the contrary, I think that in general terms, one can say that both Christian and Muslim Eritreans could have a harmonious and an easy going relationship with Ethiopians. Of course, I cannot dismiss the fact that for Eritrean Muslims, it could be slightly different, having more proximity to the Sudan, and due to the fact that they identify themselves more with the Sudanese people.

          • Shum

            Hello Horizon,

            I think you’ll find that Eritrean Muslims come from diverse background. Ethiopians seem to lump Eritrean Muslims into one group like Eritreans lumped all Ethiopians as Amara. That’s far from the truth. Take the forum, for example, the four major Muslim posters on this forum are Saay, Saleh Johar, Kokhob and Mahmud. They can correct me if I’m wrong here, but I would say they see equal or more proximity to Ethiopia for themselves.

            When looking at Eritrean Muslims, it is important to understand that they span across different ethnicities. I would venture to say, you can predict the proximity more with that than their religion.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Horizon,

            Egypt has 7 to 8 million Christians and General Sisi (the reverse reading of ISIS) is a good man.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Horizon,

            It is also possible to have multi-orbits.

      • V.F.

        Horizon, you are a genius. Number 3, hands down. Number 2 will naturally lead to number 3. No question about it. You cannot separate what was meant to be one. If we were in number 2 for merely a few years, Erireans would realize number 3 serves their interest best.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear V.F.
          you see, it is as simple as that. all you have to do is listen first. Horizon still didn’t say anything against Eritrean struggle. He was not affected with old history of those 2 nations. he respected our feeling of the past. He recognized Eritrea as nation. He show his all love always. he wish the two brotherly nations go united for their own good. he showed to us time again we can do it. he chose always win -win solution. he let us respect him and love him. here there are things to learn from this wonderful soul.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Horizon,
        you got it. the mass of Eritrea don’t want to see the first one and is fed -up of it. the 2nd is very timely. if 2nd one goes well and people of the two people can up grade it to higher. I think the 2nd one can be reality fast as starting point having phases to fallow. and it is a continuous nonstop quality journey that will give the best result more than unity that was explained so far. we are one after all, have you noted, most of the people of Eritrea are happy when Ethiopia is wining in sport, have the new transportation system – train, wonderful aviation system wow even I want to be the worker of Blue Nile project ..why is that? we need each other and we love each other.

      • Gud

        Horizon – aka the “Badme for Asab” guy !

        First of, as an Ethiopian you should try to list what the options (Which is only one, really) of YOUR Ethiopia are. Second your list above is a no brainer, but the fact that it is listed by a son of an aggressive nation violating Eritrean sovereignty only shows your arrogance, just like your government.

        Eritrea is asking your country to abide by law and hand over what is ruled to be Eritrean and give peace between those two countries a chance. That is all. How is that in any way confrontational ?

        If you are a genuine person, you should say your county is the one on the wrong side of anything good that can come out of the two countries and out of the horn.

        Finally, please do as a favor and explain, one more time, your theory of “Badme for Asab” (which is exactly what your county have in mind) to certain internet nobody (By his own admission) who goes by Amde. He is either too stupid to realize what your country intending to get or he is just sick like your government and we have to wait till he officially throws it in our face and say “What you going to do about it?”

        • Dear Gud,
          you can deny as much as you want, but the truth is that the regime in asmara is confrontational and anti-peace. remember, within five years of gaining power, it started wars with all the nations around it, and only the red sea is spared. the regime is paying the effects of its belligerence. unfortunately, the people are not spared. and it is living under its irrational logic of enslaving a whole nation for the sake of a piece of land that is not going to change the fate of eritrea or eritreans. no rational eritrean believes anymore PFDJ’s rhetoric that the open-ended military service, and the enslavement of the eritrean people in geeral, is due to badme and the the belligerent ethiopia. they know now that it is due to the regime’s deeper and sinister plans than anything else.

          why do you bring assab and badme again? you have succeeded to land-lock ethiopia, when ethiopia had no sons to defend her rights. you have your ghost-city and your ghost-port, and ethiopia is not going to spend a penny for the sake of assab. you will live to get badme and to defend assab, a region with an interesting history; from an axumite-to affar-italian-eritrean-ethiopian-eritrean… you see future ethio-eritrean relations only throught the prism of having it both ways. just give me one reason why ethiopia should enter such a relationship, when she knows that it is a zero-sum game for her. peace is the result of respecting the mutual interest of all.

          • Gud

            Horizon aka “Assab (Eritrean) for Badme (Eritrean)”

            a) There is an international, UN sponsored legal ruling (wxyz) which needs to be abided.

            b) Here is a law abiding country (A) who is honoring and abiding by the “wxyz” ruling . And is asking Country B and the international community to honor what they signed and ruled for.

            C) Country B, despite signing for a final and binding ruling by the wxyz, is not only refusing to abide by it now, but also is brandishing its arms (Showing off its military might and size) in the face of A, and daring it to come and enforce the ruling militarily and also does all other little things, such us regime change :), advocating for sanctioning A, crossing borders to A and boast about its capability etc.. All those little things that violate sovereignty. All those little things 🙂

            So, Mr. Ethiopian, if you could take your head out of your behind for a sec and think in terms of A and B instead of Ethiopia and Eritrea, which country (A or B) would you say is anti-peace and confrontational?

            In your post above you did not mention your Ethiopia and its actions at all. Not a single time.Typical for a cheat and arrogant person (just like your country)

            Future Eritrean Ethiopian relationship depends on Ethiopia’s honoring what it signed for, abiding by law and staying put on its side of the boundary. If I can not trust you on honoring the EEBC, a legal ruling, there is no way I can trust you to go into any cooperation. Forget it.
            Remember this, one way or the other you are going to respect that ruling. No question about that. And in the long run the two countries will have a good neighborly relationship with each other.
            And also remember this, if the two countries found a common interest based on respect of sovereignty and good neighborly attitude, the better, otherwise no cooperation is fine too. It is not like we are going to perish if we do not have economic or political cooperation with Ethiopia. The reverse is true to.
            This is only about your first paragraph. Your second paragraph is really something, phew! You have another “Assab for Badme” moment again 🙂 aren’t you something? We will say a lot about that

          • Ted

            Hi Hirizon. “you have succeeded to land-lock ethiopia, when ethiopia had no sons to defend her rights.” Wow man, is that the only thing holding you back that you don’t have sons to defend the land locked Ethiopia. What happens when those defender sons are born. Are they going to kill us all over again, God have mercy on you. News flash for you; we never thought for a second our existence depend on the Goodness of Ethiopians. If you think a piece of land you occupied now help you keep your bigger dream alive, think again it is a poison that will eat you from inside out.

          • Gud

            Hey Ted,
            What he is saying is, in 1991/93 Ethiopia did not have sons to defend it, but now they are ready. That is why he is saying “Assab for Badme” . Refusing to implement the EEBC is a way of saying the good sons (Master race) are ready to take back what they lost

          • Ted

            Hi Gud, The “master race” got to be none other than Transformers(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5FaErsPZds );-) they are dreamers.

          • saay7

            Hi Ted:

            Let me translate for your from Ethiopian to Eritrean:)

            What Horizon is saying is that in 1991, Ethiopia did not have government officials who could put up a strong case as to why Ethiopia needs seaports. These government officials (TPLF) quietly accepted the fact that their country is going to be landlocked.

            The mistake that some Eritreans make is that Ethiopia will come after Assab with its military might. The mistake that some Ethiopians make is that Ethiopia is done with Eritrea because it already has found a port solution in Somalia. But if history is a guide, Ethiopia’s path to Assab is through the same way it got it in 1950 (a) an Eritrean population that is willing and able to give it; (b) an international community that is convinced that Ethiopia is a better custodian of the Red Sea (and Bab-el-Mendeb) than whoever is presiding over the Eritrean government.

            For Haile Selasse, this was a 30-year campaign (1923-1952.) In 1923, Haile Selasse lobbied the superpowers of the era (Europe) to grant Ethiopia a seaport. They all said no, because Italy was then in charge of Eritrea. His request gained acceptance in 1952 because (a) Italy was defeated; (b) large segments of Eritreans pleaded to “return” to Ethiopia; (c) the great powers were overwhelmed with guilt for their refusal to come to Ethiopia’s defense when the fascists attacked.

            The sense that “Ethiopia’s sons” didn’t make a compelling case for her right to sea access remain. A new configuration is required to add to a constant European/American dogma: that “Christian Ethiopia” is a better custodian of Asab, a rock-solid ally in preventing the Red Sea from becoming an “Arab Lake.” This configuration includes presenting Eritrea as a failed/failing state that is about to implode and a local population (or at least a political organization that claims to speak on behalf of the local population) demanding the “right of self-determination including secession.”

            When it comes to Asab, the Ethiopians play a long game. It is a 10, 20 year plan. On our end, the government is doing its share to convince the world it is a failing state and our opposition is doing its share to convince itself and the world that it is fine with regional organizations demanding self-autonomy.

            saay

          • Music Novice

            Greetings saay,

            Don’t you think that Eritrea’s Achilles Heel is being a divided society with competing narratives? This in-built weakness is a gift from heaven to many outsiders, not just Ethiopia.

          • saay7

            Selamat MN:

            Its Sunday at Awate University. So it is Open Lab classes….feel free to be more direct:) Where do you see the fissures: religion, ethnicity, both?

            saay

          • Music Novice

            Greetings saay,

            They are region, ethnicity and religion.

          • Ted

            Hi, MN, are you talking demography or conflict. I am guessing it is the later and would you care to elaborate more what you see in Eritrea.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            Have you lived and worked in Eritrea? If yes, when and for how long?

            No one who lived in Eritrea can miss that the main narratives in the country are based on region, ethnicity and religion. In particular, the first thing that the antennas of Eritreans born abroad detect (to their shock), when they arrive in Eritrea, is these competing powerful narratives.

          • Ted

            Hi, MN. I always think when you answere Q with Q, i thought you are doing some kind of research paper.
            Yes, i lived in Ethiopia too 😉
            Please tell me what the narratives are? may be i missed it when i was there..

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Ted,

            You are skirting past my questions. But never mind, if you want Eritrea to be a unitary state, you are skipping the chance to discuss real issues. The purpose of a debate is to think and solve problems not to blindly support one issue, narrative or group.

            In any case, since I had also lived in Ethiopia, just to respond to your ‘curiosity’, I will answer this question although you are committing a logical fallacy called Tu Quoque fallacy (you too or them too). For example, (1) The Romans kept slaves. Therefore, (2) We can keep slaves too. In your case, it goes: The Ethiopians have competing narratives, therefore it is fine if Eritrea has them too.

            Of course, there are multiple competing narratives in Ethiopia.

          • Gogo

            Selamat MN,
            Leaving Eritrea just before few days after living there for almost a quarter of a century and having worked in places as different as Asmara, Mendefera, AdiKeih, Sawa and Barentu, it is difficult for me to relate myself with the reality of not only competing but exclusive narratives. Conceding that, like any other society, Eritrea has its fair share of fault lines, aggravated by the tyrannical regime, it looks to me incorrect, unrealistic, and probably fear mongering, to exaggerate the difference.

            Regards,

          • saay7

            Selamat Music Novice:

            Yes, they are—as they are for every African country if, and only if, they are mismanaged.

            “Narrative” is an interesting word and, in your context, I believe it means the stories people tell about themselves and others. These stories always have good guys and bad guys.

            Does every ethnic group have different and competing narratives from the others? Do the two religions have different and competing narratives? Do the regions have different and competing narratives?

            saay

          • Music Novice

            Greetings saay,

            I found these narratives to be not only competing but also exclusive. That is why I have been telling Kokhob that multi-party democracy will be fatal to Eritrea.

          • Ted

            Hi Saay, it is unfortunate for us the stars of Ethiopia and the west aligned for far too long .We are in different time now, In the time we are able to know what a country is thinking let alone doing. If we see world politics all around us, it gets clearer by a day. Iran stick to their guns knowing what is coming their ways, the same is true for Russia in Syria and Ukraine. It has become clear when US wins it another group who is going to lose. Ethiopian leader used the circumstance in abusing the right of Eritreans and it would be for their betterment of their people to realize things are changing and manage their business for their own interest.

          • Dear Saay,
            in my opinion, the mistake was in not seeing the difference between eritrea’s independence and ethiopia ending up a landlocked country; two separate situations. independent eritrea should not have meant landlocked ethiopia. the way the divorce was carried out was not meant to bring permanent peace and future cooperation, but to harm and humiliate ethiopia and ethiopians. there are some eritreans who say that eritrean independence has no meaning unless assab is in eritrean hands. at the same time, there are ethiopians who say, what sort of future peace and cooperation are we talking about, if ethiopia is going to remain landlocked.

            one can see the antithesis of the two positions. the sanctity of colonial borders should not have condemned one of the two countries to become an absolute loser, especially when they had lived together. the result is refusal to accept the status quo, not only by this generation, but also by the generations that follow. nations have divorced; but, they did it with peace in mind.
            regards.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            I am curious about the view of Afar people or the political organizations in Afar towards their relationship with the rest of Eritrea, Ethiopia, secession. Direct me to an informative article(yours or anybody else’s) if you can. If you can’t find any, can you please comment on that here?

            The invitation goes to anybody who can inform me about this issue.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis:

            I got nothing but conjecture and suspicion. There was that one time that I read their communique in Amharic, which I found odd, and asked their leader why; and I got a mini-lecture. And everybody else thought that me finding it odd was odd.

            So, it’s a pass for me.

            saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            Thanks for the reply. Where do I find that communique if it’s a public record.

            Anybody else, you are highly encouraged to contribute your take here 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hi Addis:

            Don’t make me look for that communique. It was used by the dearly-departed Hayat in her exhibits that “saay hates Ethiopia.” I will make it up to you: here’s the chairman of RSADO being interviewed by Aiga.

            https://youtu.be/ja48LONBagk

            saay

          • አዲስ

            Thank you saay.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I am sure it can’t be a surprise to you that I like RSADO. But, here is the reason that you might not suspect why I like the. For….They are not shackled with hate of Ethiopia. Suspecion of Ethiopia. They live and respect their own kin across the border. For them there is no difference what so ever between Eritrean Afar, Ethiopian Afar and Djiboutian Afar. They are proud of who they are and respect themselves.Therefore, they don’t have epithets for their own kin to make themselves feel better about their own colassal failure.

        • Amde

          Ato Gud,

          Let me spare you the waiting. “What are you going to do about it?”

          Amde

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Selamat Horizon,

        In all your three scenarios, you’ve mentioned the role of Ethiopia. But why do we have to think that way; why do you present it as if Eritrea, without the blessing of Ethiopia cannot make it? Can you think out of this arrogant and paternalistic attitude? Provided that the two countries solve the conflicts between them peacefully, is it possible that Eritrea could prosper without the good will of Ethiopia? My view is, definitly it can, with full confidence. Aren’t we living in the age of globalization, where the whole world could be described as a global village, where nations have the choice of interacting with other nations further away from their immediate neighborhood?

        • አዲስ

          Hi Abraham,

          Horizon is replying to Gud’s comment which is about Ethiopia and Eritrea relation. If you see it from that point of view those are the options. I don’t think that’s being paternalistic. To make you feel better I can add one more option since the mention of Ethiopia with relation to Eritrea is pissing you off. So how about this option
          4. No relation with Ethiopia.
          Does that make you happy? who knows though since I mention Ethiopia in that statement you might not like it too 🙂

          Anyway realistically there will be some sort of relationship between the two countries. What kind of relationship is the defining factor here.

          Thanks,
          Addis

  • Fnote Selam

    Gud,

    Have you heard of the legendary Asmarino Adey ‘xyz’ who used to drive bus number 4 from Akhria all the way to Godaif to stock a fight…..

    FS.

    • Gud

      Fnote,
      Nope, I don’t know what you talking about. But here is the deal. Talk straight and you will not have any problem with me. It is not like I am shaking a hat to pick your name or something.
      For instance, look at the reply you gave to V.F. Which is good (Perhaps I should take the credit here for nudging you a bit for you to speak :)). Actually better than the reply you got from Mahmuday. So, what was all about that question in the first place ? why do you always have to sneak up to people? You have this habit of throwing these series of SUGGESTIVE questions, as if you wanted some one else to say the answers (Instead of saying them yourself) for you and make them feel like it is coming out from them…or something like it.
      Again, talk straight and you will not hear from me like, the 99.9% participants in this forum

      • Fnote Selam

        Gud,

        It means you are trying to stoke fight out of nothing and you are travelling all the way from Akhria to do that.

        Anyway, dont worry about me; where I dont know, I ask. Where it is not clear to me, I ask for clarification. Where, i believe I have well founded opinion, I present my opinion.

        Now, hurry, bus #4 is here and go back to Akhria.

        FS.

  • dawit

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  • Nitricc

    Hey Haqi you are just pissed of your football team is out and dead in week two. What a shame. The good news is, your running back slated to rush 100 yards for the entire season judging from the last two games.
    Lol.

  • AOsman

    Dear L.T,

    This time Awate and Wedi Andom are working together, mock kebulukha delyom iyom :)….I like the zeithafer dummu...:)

    Regards
    AOsman

  • Tewelde G/mariam

    Hi Semere,
    I do not think we can infer existence of two Eritreas based on PFDJs and no PFDJs, just as we cannot say there are two USAs based on the two majore political parties, the Democrats and Republicans. As a matter of fact, there is no actually existing and functioning entity called PFDJ in Eritrea, only name, invented by isaias afewerki for looks, to create the impression that there is a ruling party. It is a dceptive ploy. I admit there are people who call themselves PFDJs but devoid of any power, individually or collectively, hired and fired at will by isaias afewerki. They are errand men and women. They cannot even dare to resign ; they can only flee.

    Therefore, holding these powerless people equally responsible as isaias afewerki for the crime being perpetrated on our people and country is misguided ,and on the long run, advantageous to isaias afewerki, and counterproductive to ours. And we must understand, the goal of isaias afewerki is not to indefinitely to hold on to power in Eritrea, or to unseat woyane through the help of Ethiopian opposition. The same is also true of woyane. We must not be deceived by the ceaseless slanders they throw at each other, which they do for distraction so that we waste precious time bickering with each other on secondary issues instead of building our unity to save our country.

    • saay7

      To: Amanuel Hidrat

      FROM: Saay

      RE: Is it a system?

      Please refer to message by Tewelde G/Mariam with special emphasis on “they cannot even dare to resign; they can only flee.” And even that is if they are lucky. You should make allies of those who can’t even flee and enlist them in our cause and give them reasons to take a risk. After all, the risk we take results in us being denied from going to Eritrea. We still have a good life with our families. They risk they take results in being separated from their families and being buried alive. Let’s not become “those who take no risks and criminalize those who don’t for not taking all the risk.”

      saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Saay,

        Some times you are a cruel person. Really you are. Where did I write about who is criminal and who isn’t? indicting to a system at this time is not indicting personalities. Because to indict personalities has its own process when we know who and what. You can accuse me of indicting the system all year long, but not individuals until the investigating commission or committee is formed in a democratic and judicious Eritrea, when we can know the true culprits are. The victim and the families of victim should be heard their grievances and must observe justice. Otherwise what will be the difference between the current system and the awaiting system of the new Eritrea. If you have something to defend the system and want reserve it, you could so, and I will continue to indict the system and advocate to dismantle the apparatus of oppression. That is fair enough to debate passionately. To misinform the public about my position is not healthy and is not good for you too.

        Regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • saay7

          Hi Emma:

          Wow, you are a really touchy guy. Does everything offend and hurt you? I asked you to read a post which in my view accurately describes the non-existence of a “system” that you rail against. Here it is:

          “As a matter of fact, there is no actually existing and functioning entity called PFDJ in Eritrea, only name, invented by isaias afewerki for looks, to create the impression that there is a ruling party. It is a dceptive ploy. I admit there are people who call themselves PFDJs but devoid of any power, individually or collectively, hired and fired at will by isaias afewerki. They are errand men and women. They cannot even dare resign…”

          When you accuse a “system”, or “PFDJ” of all the suffering people are going through, you accuse something vague and, this is more important, something that is as victimized of being the victimizer. This is not only sloppy but it makes those people feel that change or no change they stand accused, just like the word “Derg” ended up criminalizing or destroying the reputation of anyone who was ever part of the system. And, worse, you have no reason for sticking with this characterization other than it sticks to some text case definition of systems.

          The fact is that there is Isaias, there are half a dozen of hand picked enforcers (some of whom are reluctant enforcers), they enforcers have their own even more reluctant enforcers, etc. They all are part of the system. Is there a way to bring about change without removing the system? You say NO.

          saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            Here is what you have said to me: ” Lets not become those who take no risks and criminalize those who don’t for not taking all the risk.” Isn’t this not an accusation Saay? Did in anyway criminalize any person specifically other than the given “the head of the state”?

            When it doesn’t fit to your argument it becomes a ” text case definition.” but when it fits to your argument like the “democratic coup” which is in itself a text case definition, you don’t hesitate to tell us to apply it. Isn’t “a democratic coup” a text case definition that you try to promote to our cause?

            Second, again I stick with my characterization, because there is no a government that run without a system and its institutions, be it dictatorial or democratic. This is basic governmental and institutional politics saay. You told me that there is no reason to stick to my argument. Indeed I should. Because, your argument “a government without institutional system” doesn’t meet to the definition of a government, nor does it reflect to the standard of conventional understanding of “government, institutions, and Systems”. Unless again you come with another twist – there is no government in Eritrea.

            Last but no least, let us only debate on the issue without accusation, – just on the ideas, the public are there to take whatever they could chew and comprehend our arguments.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hello kbur abal Awate Parliament Emma:

            First of all the “Lets not become those who take no risks and criminalize those who don’t for taking all the risk” is not directed at YOU but at US in the Opposition. One of the most incongruent things I read/hear is how we always describe what we (in exile) do as “struggling”, “fighting”, “sacrificing” and how we describe those who are trapped in the system as “conspirators”, “enablers.” The fact is that we in the West are at most sacrificing our time, our energy, our money, and out right to visit our homeland. And that’s only the fraction of us who use our real names. But at the end, of the day, we come home to our families. We have some kind of safety net: our children go to school.

            Meanwhile, some of the people we describe as enablers of the system (I have even heard them described as cowards), are trapped and they have to live under the same rules that the rest of Eritrea lives in: same restriction on movement; same Gffa, same separation from their children, same victimization by smugglers. This “system” that you talk about is one man and whomever he rotates into position of authority at his sole discretion. There is no “Central Committee” to check him; there is no legislative arm to check him; there is no court to check him. There is no party congress to elect him or remove him from power. All the other “systems” you are comparing them with–including China–have some kind of a bylaw, party elections, and some kind of diffusion in power centers. Even Cuba has the Pope who can ocassionally be a moral authority that can vie for obedience, outside the Castro family. What do we have? We don’t even have a patriarch, a mufti, a council of elders, a labor union, a students union, a women’s union that is outside the influence and control of Isaias Afwerki personally.

            I conceded many times that “democratic coup” is unproven and has some risk. What I have never heard from you is what you are proposing and what the risk associated with it is. I think I heard “People Power” and that’s it.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Okay Saay,

            When you say the quoted statement, sure it is for me and like me, and doesn’t include you to be “us” as you become the critic to it. That is straight forward brother.

            For now let us hold for those who described to those that are trapped with the system as enablers or conspirators. Let us settle our argument as to whether there is a system in Eritrea or not. Because no body knows the enablers and conspirators all at this time, may be we can point finger to few now. But a system can not stand by few. Imagine all the security apparatus, the diplomatic core, the chain of command (whether it runs one way or both ways), All the chain command of the military, and the remaining institutions (education, health, regional administrations etc) can be summed up together to a structured system. Nothing else.

            Second, all the descriptions you gave us in your comment is just the nature of systems. The simple thing we have to do is, to differentiate what kind of system we have. It could be a simple compact system or broad system.

            However, you might criticize me that I don’t have a clear and clean proposal on how to remove the system. That I will agree with you. Actually, I am focused into the future system, rather than how to remove it. I could be criticized for that. That is all.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Saay,
            Would you consider Haile Sellasie’s rule a system or not? I ask that because similar to Isaias, the king had all the power to do anything he liked, absolute power, though he had a parliament that took off its shoes when meeting him, bowed to him. And many directed their wrath at him. But he had equal institutions that executed his will.

            Years after he was removed, though weak, there are still pockets who dream of reinstating his line of dynasty. Can you draw any similarity between him and Isaias? Can you say he was the system just like Isaias is the system?

            I agree with you that some in Eritrea are helpless and can’t be expected to do anything, but don’t you think they are watched and terrorized by the system, and not by Isaias as such? What about those who could at least stay away from, and stop being operatives of the system, citizens who are technically not part of the regime, but chose to do its bidding? Can we consider those willing enablers of the system or its victims? Can we equate, say a teacher, who just does his job and struggles to survive, with an affiliate who enables the system with money and other services?

            I think the system is not as wide as we are made to believe, but it is neither a one-man show nor a handful of enablers. The structure of the Mafia, for example, is not public, but we can surmise it has money collectors, money launderers, executors, accountants, spies, planners, guards (as in security), negotiators, etc. Would you say the Mafia has a system or it is consists of only by Al Capone and Gotti clones?

            Commenting on the maladministration of Jebha, Abu Sheneb is said to have remarked, “Jebhet Secretera Rebbi tu.” Jebha’s secretary is God!

            That is a metaphor, that the system is bad. Can we say the same about the PFDJ though it has bad but efficient?

          • saay7

            Selamat SGJ:

            By system, I don’t mean just the structure (hierarchy), but the function. It is hierarchy+functions that define a system and its purpose. The Haile Selasse government was coherent: HSI addressed the legitimacy issue (I am the heir to Solomon and part of the Solomonic Dynasty); a succession plan: my crown prince will take over after I die); it had regional elections which followed regional campaigns. I remember a childhood visit to Keren, and although I have no reason to remember, I remember the victory rally of Osman and Tewelde not too far from your hometown:
            ሓጋዝ ወዓደርደ:
            ሓጋዝ ወዓደርደ:
            ኣሰናይ ነስአዋ:
            ዑስማን ወ ተወልደ::

            It has a meritocratic bureaucracy. It had a constitution. It had a penal code: people who were accused of being members of the ELF(and their lawyers) used it to set themselves free. It had an economic policy that prevented foreigners from full ownership of companies. There was freedom of movement. And, people who no longer wanted to be part of the government resigned. After they tried to figure out what their pension plan was.

            People who compiled “who’s who” of governments knew exactly who did what and what their authority was.

            Next we go to the Mafia. The Mafia is (was) a system: it was a federation of families. It had a hierarchy: boss (assisted by a consigliere), an underboss, caporegimes, then soldiers. There were things even the boss could not do, as we learned from movies. Can’t assassinate a “made man.” Can’t fraternize with a married woman. Can’t introduce members directly: must be a “good guy.” Code of conduct included omerta, no association with police, etc. Well, you can’t quit, so in that regard, it is like the PFDJ.

            What the Haile Selasse gov and the Mafia had was: some sort accountability. Because systems are about accountability: who is responsible? What are the rewards? What are the penalties?

            What I am saying is the “PFDJ” is blob and some of the cruelest sadists in Eritrea (refer to the last half of the video that Tzigereda shared with Sem) are NOT even members of the PFDJ. They are in the EDF. So, isn’t what we are trying to say Isaias Plus? And in the Plus what we have is members of the government, members of the PFDJ, and members of the EDF. PFDJ is not all of it; all of it is not PFDJ.

            In a different discussion, when Mahmouday was talking about Andenistas, Emma gave him this advice:

            what we have to do is to win over their views with tenacity and proofs. Try to win over ideas than Over personalities. Because it is good precedence for future how to handle our difference in the contours of our politics.

            What I am telling Emma is apply the same principle to people within “the regime” and you say “the system” you are not reaching out to them but dismissing them as lost cause. In fact, it makes a LOT more sense to try to win over those trapped in “the system” than it is to try to win over those who regret Eritrea was ever born as a state. It is called the Sutton Law, named after Willie Sutton who, when asked, “why do you rob a bank?” answered, “because that’s where the money is.” You try to win over those trapped in the system because that’s where change potential is.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            From what I see that the HSI government was a normal government with a authoritarian tendency and some authoritarian characters, as most governments, especially during that era were…So my question is, instead of working on reforming and changing this government, would you say that the “Eritrean Revolutionaries” opted for secession were over reactors? Or, were they nudged and pushed, by you know who?…. 😉

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            The deaf know only one song, ylal yagere seww:) Do you mean who nudged the Northern Habesha (Beni Amer, Habab, Blin, Saho, Jeberti, Beja…) of the ELF of the 1960s? As in when the whole of Africa, Asia, South America was going through a revolution why did they? Isn’t the question why didn’t Ethiopia, really? Why were you guys so slow? The Arabs? They had names like Abdel Khaliq Mahjub; Muhammad Ibrahim Nugud; Muhammad Mukhtar Al-Khatib
            ; Alshafi Ahmed Elshikh, Babkir Elnour, Hashim Elatta…and of course Gemal Abdel Nasser. And guess what? They were all Africans.

            In any event, by 1970, a 26-year old Eritrean had already figured out why America was sticking with Haile Selasse and he gave them a proposal which they embraced: your priority is to stop the Red Sea from becoming an Arab lake. Guess what that can only happen if Arab-inspired Eritrean leaders emerge. Give me weapons and I will have a fighting chance. The U.S. gave him the weapons. All he had then was US support but not much of Eritrean support. Then your king and the mad man who followed him, via their vicious wars targeting the population, gave him the people. The rest is history.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Nice spin…

            But you yourself said that the 26 year old person, who ever he was did not have much the people’s support, which means the northern Habesha (Tigre Saho Blin…) have not represented him…which means, he is an elite with an agenda that is not embraced by the people, but delegated by foreigners…Therefore, what he and his types of elite did was to instigate and provoke an authoritarian government, by assassinating its general, shooting at a police station and throwing a bomb at the king, when he comes to vist. Hoping those provocation brought reactions by the dictatorial reactionary government would sour people against it and the people would be allied with them, because anger….It seems, their gambit worked. They tricked the people that didn’t support them initially by instigating violent action against it…they got the support they wanted…and the rest is history…. In any way, this doesn’t make them educated elites, with hidden agenda and with foreign backing….

          • saay7

            Hey Eyob:

            It looks like you didn’t learn your lesson when T.Kifle edumacated you about not trying to blame TPLF for the massacre of Hawzen. Let me quote him:

            Dear Eyob,
            you are wrong when you try to ascribe the Hawzen massacre as a collateral damage of war effected out of no-choice. Rather it was one of the deliberate projects “effectively” accomplished by non other than the brute Legese Asfaw in his effort of “draining the sea” and breaking the back of the resistance.

            Dear Eyob,
            you said “when TPLF described hawzen massacre, it never denied it had presence there” this was the very statement prompted me to reply. And you are repeating it again. My understanding from this statement is if TPLF was seen in or around Hawzen, the massacre is justified. To the best of my knowledge however, TPLF was no where around. And even if it did, it would never change the magnitude the criminality. In any case I would be thankful if you can attach any link that insinuates TPLF was inside when that whole-day project unfolded.

            Now, all you have to do is replace “Hawzen” by “Ona”, “Beskedira”, and half a dozen other places, and I hope it registers. but I doubt it will even as you are saying that a genuine military attack (police station, military generals) is justified provocation to burn alive thousands of innocent citizens. And that’s how you lost Eritrea Assab.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            No it doesn’t register. It is a totally different issue. Why? Because, when Derg massacred people in Hawzen, the resistance was full blown and Derg had only less than three years left of his time. Which means TPLF actually fighting with the people’s backing for over fourteen years already. Therefore, it didn’t have to provoke Derg to have a scorched earth reaction to make people angry and exploite support from them….Your folks however, did that. They provoked an authoritarian government to get a scorched earth reaction to incite people’s anger and exploit that anger to gain support….You yourself admitted they never had….so you are comparing apples and oranges…

          • saay7

            Eyob Eyob Eyob:

            Are you saying that if ONLF were to attack military targets of EPRDF, then EPRDF is perfectly justified in targeting civilians by the hundreds?

            Are you saying that killing a general, attacking a police station justifies a reaction that includes gathering people in their huts and mosques and burning them alive?

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            For those authoritarian governments, especially for Derg a Stalinist pseudo fascist government, that was plenty of reasons to murder…and that is what those, who killed a general and attacked a police station were counting on….a harsh devastating reaction that angers people, so it would turn the people on their side…that is my point….

            That didn’t apply for OLF and ONLF, because EPRDF marginalized those militants by alienating the. From the people, and by capturing the hearts and minds of people and turning people to its side…see the difference?

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Eyob M.

            Why don’t you see those attacks as a resistance against the military installations of an occupying force?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abrham,

            Why should I? I thought I explained it to you the other day? Your truth is not my truth. Your heroes are not my heroes and your white is not necessarily my white…

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Eyob M.

            You tried to brush aside the attacks on the military installations of the HS-regime as provocative measures designed to call a reaction from the regime. I’m saying, the Eritreans, just like any other occupied people, had the right to defend themselves, and rid themselves of their occupiers by any means they envisaged.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abrham,

            Ok…good. Then, it means we have differences of opinion…Which means, you can’t say to me that.. “…why don’t you accept…..” I am glad we finally came to understanding… :1)

          • V.F.

            Eyob, you are basically telling Abraham that you have nothing in common with Eritreans. Why be here then and not the, say, Lebanese forum?

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            You are getting less and less coherent 🙂

            My question is: is it justified for a government (authoritarian monarchy, Stalinist, Islamist, revolutionary democracy…) to round up civilians and kill them by the hundreds if members of its security forces are killed?

            Saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            No I was not incoherent…May be my answer was long…

            Here is the short form…

            Authoritarian governments think that is justified. Groups like ELF took advantage of that “justification” of authoritarian governments and entice them to attack civilians, to extract anger from the people and bring them to their side. So, it worked for them.

            If you are asking me personally about what I think, of course I would say “no”. It doesn’t matter what I think, though, because I am not HSI or Derg…Is it clear now?

          • saay7

            Hey Eyob:

            Clear…as mud.

            From all your messages, you are more upset at the ELF and EPLF for “provoking” authoritarian governments by carrying out legitimate military targets, than you are by the acts of the authoritarian governments in carrying out barbaric acts against people you all your own.

            See how hate of ELF, EPLF, Arabs completely distorts your thinking? I mean this is not even a close call.

            This is one of those moments I wish T.Kifle was here to set you straight because you kinda listened to him:)

            saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Say,

            Eyob said:

            “Authoritarian governments think that is justified.” …

            “If you are asking me personally about what I think, of course I would say “no”.”

            How does that translate to your assertion of him: “you are more upset at the ELF and EPLF for “provoking” authoritarian governments by carrying out legitimate military targets, than you are by the acts of the authoritarian governments in carrying out barbaric acts against people you all your own.” ?

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis:

            Actually, if you read the back-and-forth, you can see that he is blaming the guerrilla for doing what guerrilla forces do (asymmetrical warfare, hit-and-run of military targets) and he is saying this that they did that hoping that the government would take its anger on the people and massacre them by the hundreds, which would then anger the people and send it to the lap of the guerrilla force. The bad guys in his telling of those sequence of events are the guerrilla forces.

            Part of his conclusion is a misreading of my post when I said Haile Selasse’s bombing of Ona (Senhit) threw public sentiment towards the constituency of the 24 year old (Isaias Afwerki) that I mentioned: highlanders. The event happened in December 1970. The revolution started in 1961 and, obviously, it wouldn’t have survived a year, much less 9 years, if it didn’t have popular support. But, at the time, “popular support” meant Muslim and lowlander. What the December 1970 event did was to shock the Christian highlanders into turning away from Haile Selasse and beginning to support the revolution. And those who were still not convinced, Haile Selasse would go to Weki Dba (highlands) and massacre some more.

            All of this was to say that the Eritrean revolution, no matter how justified its cause, would not have gone far had the Haile Selassie and Mengistu regimes not used a brutal campaign of pacification that was targeted at INNOCENT civilians. In the past, Eyob’s arguments were “so, what? that happened in the rest of Ethiopia, too.” Here he is floating a new one: he is finding fault with guerrilla groups for waging guerrilla warfare (provocation) and he is explaining the massive “reaction” as par-for-the-course for authoritarian governments, as if exterminating civilians is a pre-requisite of being an authoritarian gov.

            saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            I did follow your back and forth with Eyob. In my understanding, in your attempt to distinguish between IA and HSI, you paint a somehow better image of HSI(if Authoritarian can be regarded as better in this instance) as opposed to IA and that prompted Eyob to ask why the need for secession rather than reform.

            But you followed that up with this when talking about young IA :”The U.S. gave him the weapons. All he had then was US support but not much of Eritrean support. Then your king and the mad man who followed him, via their vicious wars targeting the population, gave him the people. The rest is history.” which further strengthen Eyob’s point that secession was not the question of the people but that of few elites with the help of external forces. I don’t think that makes him a person who justify Authoritarian abuse against civilians. At least in this instance.

            Now the second paragraph in your reply to me could’ve been a better answer to his questions.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • saay7

            Hey Addis:

            True, true. But this is Eyob and I write shorthand with him because it feels like we have discussed everything. Twice.

            Also, he didn’t compliment Eritrean cyclists for coming 11th in Virgina. That’s like coming first twice.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I didn’t congratulate Eritrean cyclists for being 11th, because…it’s 11th, man… 🙂 and also you didn’t congratulate us now we are official Arsonal promoters in East and Central Africa…so I am returning a favor here… 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            Speaking of 11, doesn’t Arsenal also have 11 semi-pro players? The funniest Eritrean on Twitter whom we can’t mention because he chose a stupid handle once wrote “with so many migrants leaving it, Eritrea is now emptier than Arsenals trophy cabinet.” Boom.

            Speaking of Il Duce Negro, he once mentioned in an interview that Arsenal is his favorite team. I am sure he was just trying to relate to the youth.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Yeah I heard that Duce Negro said that. I now petitioning Diego Inc. and Dashen Beer to rescind their promotional deal with Arsenal, if they are his favorite team. 🙂

            Speaking of that we are now about to see a real corporate free market competition clash in Ethiopia..Diego/Dashen Vs. Heineken/Harar/Bedele/Walia. As Diego sponsors Arsenal Heinken chose to stick with the home team Walia…let the fight begin… 🙂

            Oh…the guy with a stupid tweeter handle…though I think he is funny, I also think he is a bigot, so you are right. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned here…

          • አዲስ

            Hahaha Saay,

            Got it .

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • dawit

            Saay7,
            Still “We are #1 in Africa” !!!.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Good morning Saay,

            Actually I do apply the same principles. Thanks for this website. They are defending their system albeit using pen names while I am arguing to dismantle their institution ‘ s of oppression with possible rationale approach. In fact I also argue last year they have the right to keep their party in future democratic Eritrea if they want to keep and exercise their politics on plain field under the rule of law. l said this when you propose PFDJ to run the transitional period. so I am on record as to giving them justice. But I do not advocate for an atmosphere that gives upper hand. Simpley I want a plain field that gives equal Opportunity to all parties that might exist at the transitional period. So you can not misplace my positions.

            regards,

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam SAAY

            – I think Amanuel Hidrat and Saleh Johar are right. And this is the fundamental question you need to ask yourself – WHAT IS OUR FINAL OBJECTIVE?

            – I don’t want to put words in their (Amanuel and Saleh’s) mouth, but to the best of my understanding, this is how they see things. The current Eritrean problem is a “systemic problem”. And according to them, this systemic problem could only be solved by radical change. You’ve to amputate the cancerous tissue, you have to weed-out PFDJ, PFDJ values and their infrastructure, PFDJ and their ideas should not have any place in future Eritrea; and the only right way to get it done right, is through RADICAL CHANGE.

            Now ask: WHAT IS THIS SYSTEM?

            – And their answer is very simple. It is a system that is centered on a single ethnic values. Whether Isaias is in power or not, whether Isaias is alive or dead, all PFDJits will support the current land policy, and they will fight for their value system to tooth and nail to the bitter end. The same is true with the issue of refugees, the same is true with the allocation of resources, the same is true with the distribution of power, the same is true with the promotion of Tigrigna language, the same is true with the promotion of economic, diplomatic and cultural ties (they will always pull the nation South) and more…….

            – Then they would ask you: How could you reverse these policies without RADICAL CHANGE?

            – If what you have in mind is to sail with the current system and try to reform it in a piecemeal fashion over extended period of time, I’m with you (SAAY), but if what you have in mind is – after Isaias is gone, we (Eritreans) will be a lot closer than ever, in curbing Ahmed Raji’s systemic problem, then you will be in the “cold” for a while – in the current setting of the opposition business.

            – Case in point: Menelik II, Atse Haileselassie I and Mengistu Hailemariam governed Ethiopia with completely different methods of governing. But in the eyes of the non-Amara ethnics of Ethiopia, they all were centered on Amara values – with little or no effect on them.

            – Now, where are Amanuel and Saleh Johar failing?

            They are failing in articulating and selling their alternative ideas. Like: Ok, you want to reverse the Tigrignanization of Eritrea – to direct us where? You’re criminalizing the ethnic Tigrigna centered values of PFDJ – what are you going to replace it with? You are telling us PFDJ is ethnic Tigrigna dominated regime, tell us our fare share? Did ethnic Tigrignas had their fair share in ELF? How about at the NCDC? In your vision, what does democratic Eritrea look like?

            And the Amanuels and the Saleh Johars can only point their fingers to a problem, not to an answer. And that is the problem.

            Semere Tesfai.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Semere,
            Thank you but no thanks. I do not think I need your help in articulating my views. It’s dishonest to describe my views on my behalf when I can do it and when I didn’t delegate you to do so. Your views of my views is built on the wrong perception (I will not say mischievous) and all is in your mind, with the aim of inflicting damage on my views. Stop it Semere, please don help me.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Ahlen Semere Tesfay,

            Before we we come into what system PFDJ is, unlike Saay, do you agree that there is a government with an institutional system in our country? I have no question that we might have a different reading in the system. Before we proceed to what PFDJ system is, and what system do we need in place of it, I want to settle the primary question I asked you.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel

            Yes I do believe there is a government with its institutional system.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Okay Semere,

            At least we get some ground where we can start the argument, that the PFDJ government has an institutional system that run the country whether we support them or not. I failed to convince Saay and his supporters this simple truth on the ground. I don’t think Saay’s intellectual capacity will miss the concept of government, institutions, and systems.But I don’t know the reason behind PFDJ’s characterization “a government without institutional system.” I could only speculate though I don’t want to argue on speculations.

            Second, I do not agree to frame our idea (ideas of Saleh and myself) by what you think. You could only argue by what we said so far. But the best way to do is, what Saay advised you to do. Ask questions and we will try to give you answers. Then we can frame together the debate.

            Without all the additional languages you use to emphasize (may be intentional) that distort at least my view (let Saleh do his own), here is my clear position:

            The current Eritrean problem is a systemic problem as a result we need a “fundamental change.” The fundamental change includes dismantling the institutions of oppression or the apparatus of oppression, changing the structure of the government in order to address the grievances of our social groups or cultural groups, changing the current policy of the government in order to live peacefully with our neighbors, and changing our primary to focusing on development that will change the lives of our people from the adventurous war footing.

            On the solution: while my colleagues are focusing on how to bring changes (the process of change), I am investing my effort on what should be the changes in order to keep the bonds of our social groups – the building blocks of our nations, focusing on the future democratic institutional system. As to how we should handle your PFDJ refer my response to saay this morning.

            Keep in mind all fundamental changes are not “radical changes”, as radical change may or may not include violence. Fundamental change always refer to the nature of change, while radical change always imply to the nature of force you apply to bring changes. Hence take a note your mis-characterization to my position in your comment.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel:

            – Personally I don’t believe on radical/fundamental change; because radical change is a product of violence. And I don’t believe violence would serve any good, to any nation. Look at our neighborhood.

            You are telling me “the current Eritrean problem is a systemic problem (which it is), as a result, we need a “fundamental change”. Good and dandy, Tell me how.

            You are telling me what we need is “dismantling the institutions of oppression or the apparatus of oppression, changing the structure of the government in order to address the grievances of our social groups or cultural groups”.

            Institutions of oppression in whose eyes? Tell me in a very specific way when would all “our social groups” be happy? What are the institutions you want to dismantle anyway? The army? The The police and intelligence apparatus? The PFDJ mass organizations? The PFDJ party? Tell me why we NEED to dismantle them as oppose to REFORMING them? Is calling to dismantle, to prosecute, to arrest, to kill…. those, whom we disagree-with the way to the future? Do you have any respect to the men and women, young and old who feel at home, with the current PFDJ system? Why or Why not? If you do, how do you show it?

            You said “radical change may or may not include violence”. As far as I know, there are always winners and losers at fundamental/radical change. And there is always resistance for any change and violence for a radical change. There are always winners and losers at

            Amanuel: if we want to impact people (in a positive way) with our ideas and leadership skil, we have to be very articulate and very specific. Now challenge me with your specific vision of future Eritrea.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Okay Semere,

            If you are really to debate and stop your sarcastic approach and trying to explain our positions and portraying in the way you deem it, I will try to engage you and answer your questions. I also wanted you to engage not only to throw questions. To throw questions only is not a debate.

            Now, theoretically, I have explained the difference between “radical change = sur-neQel” and “fundamental change =Meseretawee lew-Tee” in my previous comment in order to show that they are not interchangeable phrases. Why I explained that? in order to be specific on the change I foresee. The following are my answers to your question not in the order you put it, but in the order of logical sequences to suit my argument:

            (a) Fundamental change in my argument refers specifically to the “system and its institutions” structural and systemic change. Assuming we agreed that there is a PFDJ institutional system, then we have to identify what type of institutional system is. I argue it is an “authoritarian” or tyrannical system of government” (don’t forget you will also tell us what your description is, as far as you agree there is an institutional system). So the change seekers should focus on the institutions rather on the personalities when they argue (that is my approach). Understanding the nature of the current government by both “inside and diaspora Eritreans” is very crucial to influence a change. Once that happened the rest will fall in place.

            (b) You asked “institutions of oppression” in whose eye? It is in the eye of the oppressed Eritrean society as whole, in the eye of our youth who are leaving our nation in drove to free from the bondage of tyranny, in the eye of all the prisoners of conscience and their family and extended families who never heard about their love ones till this day, in the eye of the Eritrean entrepreneurs who couldn’t invest in their country, in the eye of the peace loving Eritreans. Add up all I mentioned and will give you the clear clue.

            (c) What are the institutional you want to dismantle? (1) the security apparatus the way it operates currently, and set a new institutional security (b) Restructuring the Eritrean defense army (EDA) to be free from becoming the peggy-bag of a party or any political affiliation. To make their duty specific and only to defend the constitution of the country and the sovereignty of the state of Eritrea. (c) to dismantle the foreign office and its current diplomatic core, to reorient the new blood of our young generation with new diplomatic mission that goes with the international norm and peaceful coexistence with our regional neighbors (d) to dismantle the current educational institutional system to replace with Robastic models by freeing from the hand of the head of state and giving its institutional freedom. And the list go on. In short to install a democratic system where the state and the government are not overlapped like the current government, where the pillars of the state (a) the government (b) the private sector (c) civic societies function within their sphere of influence freely, and whereas the three pillars of the government (the legislative, the judiciary, the executive) function within the power as deemed in the constitution.

            (c) the party PFDJ can sure be reformed to appeal to the public. But the current system need to be changed and replace by a new one. Reforming the party doesn’t amount to a change of a system. The nature of the party (PFDJ) can not bring us together for catering the needed change. An exclusive party by its nature can not call for national reconciliation if it is still in your dream pipe.

            (d) as to the status of the opposition: If they don’t challenge the trust-deficit among themselves and change their current Modus operandi, they could not met the challenge we are talking about.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Pass the salt

            Hi Amanuel,
            Funny you should ask a regime supporter if he agrees there is a government and institution in Eritrea. They will say ‘duh’! and will add there is the best in the region. The thing is ‘system’ is a very elastic word, it could mean anything. You can have a system with or without a government, and you can have it that doesn’t involve a government. A sport club or a family run business or a company can be considered systems. System is like condition, you can have any type of each. So is there a system in Eritrea? Yes, a bunch!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Pass the salt,
            we can disagree with the system. leave the system of PFDJ which is not under any legally recognized party we can even oppose a system under a government chosen by people. but I hope you will not tell me there is no system in Eritrea, I hope. it bad system it spends millions for spy than for hospitals and medicine yes, there is no accountability, yes. but there is system if not why is it there and you are even away?

          • saay7

            Selamat Semere:

            I am not sure I understood the gist of your message.

            Instead of doing the “if you ask them… they will say…” why don’t you just ask them? I mean this is what forums like this are set up for. And, ironically, while you are accusing them of identifying a problem and not a solution, that’s exactly what you are doing: identifying your problem with their problem. I don’t hear a solution.

            saay

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Semere T.

            Until Amanuel H. comes with his reply to you; you ask “institutions of oppression in whose eyes?” Certainly not in the eyes of people like Semere T. who have the comfort of supporting the repressive regime from their comfortable corner somewhere in the democratic West. But in the eyes of the tens of thousands who’re risking their lives to escape from the bondage of the Isayas regime. Also in the eyes of the millions of Eritreans inside the country who are leading a hellish life at the mercy of the outlaw security agents of the regime. Yes, in the eyes of those millions of Eritreans who’re stripped of the most basic human rights as the right of life, and due process of law.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abraham Hanibal

            Now you’ve the burden to explain in a very convincing way as to why the “survivors” of the “hellish life” are supporting the regime in Eritrea from their ” comfortable corner somewhere in the democratic West”. If you do, you got a convert.

            If all you got to offer is – they are illitrate, they are Koboro Junkees, they are ethnic fascists, they are scared even from their comfort home in the West, they have or are thinking to have a house in Asmara…. Well, welcome to the club. You are perfectly at home.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Semere T.

            First, I don’t think all those who’re fleeying the regime are supporting it from abroad. If there is any kind of support to speak of, it would be the payment of the 2% income tax, which in itself could be described as coersion from the regime. The reason why they do this could be to have the possibility of visiting their relatives in Eritrea. You see Semere T, in PFDJ land, you’ve to pay a tax to visit your loved ones; isn’t it strange?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Abraham Hanibal

            First, I didn’t say every “survivor” of the “hellish life” is supporting the PFDJ regime. Far from it. Second, I don’t think one needs to pay 2% to visit his/her family in Eritrea. If that is all the explanation you got, well….. again welcome to the club.

          • dawit

            Abraham Hanibal,
            That is not true, you only have to be Eritrean to visit your relatives in Eritrea. You don’t have to pay 2% tax. But that is one of the lies propagated by the so called ‘opposition groups’ to deny any fund for development in Eritrea, always dreaming to see the fall of Eritrean government. That has not worked so far and will never work.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saay7 and Amanuel ,

            This is tricky thing. I have done a short interview with my self. sometime it is good to have conversation with self. here it is :-

            01.is PFDJ there?
            Kokhob -. Yes diffidently. It is there and we are even outside the nation and the group is there in Asmara.

            02.is it a system ?
            Kokhob:- yes ended a system with it’s own structure.

            03.is IA strong leader of PFDJ ?
            Kokhob :- yes, but he is not superman to manage and do all crimes and he has people supporting him for different reasons including selfishness and love of fame etc.

            02. can we have democratic Eritrea by just reforming the system ?
            Kokhob: -not at all, the system only allows for one party and that is PFDJ.

            03.Does the system have any leading procedure that allows people to live in peace ?
            Kokhob : No! the system don’t care about the requirement of the people.

            03.what is the way out if there is no way to reform, is removing the system the best solution ?
            Kokhob :-that might help to start with, but it is the way we thing that should be changed. There is a root cause that brought the system and it is found right within us.

            04. can you list down?
            Kokhob :-Yes, but I need permission from my higher self and I will do it when approved.

            Interviewer :- thank you for your kind answers sir.
            Kokhob selam :- welcome any time, and thank you for having me.

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Selamat Amanuel H.,

          And where did Saay write you wrote “who is criminal and who isn’t?” From those who’ve abandoned the regime, and from our obsevation, it is very clear who the main culprits are. This is a very easy matter to see, unless you deliberately want to evade it, for various reasons. There is one fundamental truth here, unless the Eritrean opposition groups in exile work in co-ordination with the majority of the victimized people inside the country, including those who’re serving the culprits, then there is no light at the end of the tunnel. You’re not going to bring a favorable change, or any sort of change for that matter by sitting remotely in the US, Europe,etc.

          Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abraham,

            If you refer in to his letter format comment :
            Saay, after critiquing my stand on the system indirectly, he told me this: ” Let’s not become “those who take no risks and criminalize those who don’t for not taking all the risk.” As if I have criminalize some personalities, he was trying to warn me by that statement. That is why I was asking him that question.

            Second, the culprit is not Issayas only as you love to say it. The culprit is the system and the individuals who run the institutions of the system. How difficult to you to understand this. If there is a regime or government in Eritrea, there is always a system. Is there any government that function without institutional system? Absolutely no (you might need to read about what institutional systems are). Interestingly, enough that is why we can’t identify and define the regime we have, for whatever reason behind it. If you are fighting for Issayas only, don’t worry the institutions he built will fight against us while he is sitting in his office.

            Third, the “victimized people” and “the people who run the institutions” are two different things. The justice seekers are fighting to free the “victimized Eritrea people”. So there is no argument on the need of co-ordination of the diaspora oppositions with the victimized Eritrean people inside our country. By the way don’t you consider yourself with the opposition? Why do say “You’re not going to bring a favorable change, or any sort of change for that matter by sitting remotely in the US, Europe,etc.”? Instead, why don’t say we’re not……………….?

            Regards

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Amanuel H.

            Yours and other people’s view in this forum is that the PFDJ is a robust system that is based on collective responsibility of all the crimes that are being committed against the Eritrean people. Based on this principle, your idea is to bring an all out change by “weeding out” the whole “system”. On the other side; me and others have the understanding that the PFDJ is a rubber stamp collection of people who even do not have a say in how the “system” is run. Most of them are kept in bondage by fear and repression; seen in this context, they are victims themselves. Therefore, it is not right to put all of them in one basket and try to bring change based on that false perception.

            When I said “you are not going to bring a favorable change…”, I’m refering to those people who’ve similar undestanding of the Isayas-regime as that of yours. It is not meant to distance myself away from the opposition camp in any way. I’m just pointing out that your version of view of the regime is not practical with the sort of change that you envision to bring, ie “weeding out the system from exile”.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hello Abraham,

            Correction:

            The “weed out” has never been my vocabulary. I had argued against the usage of this phrase last year characterizing it as politically incorrect. You could consult Saay and SGJ if your memory doesn’t serve you. You want to know my common political vocabulary, they are: dismantle the “institutions of oppression” or the “apparatus of oppression”. I haven’t also used even the “robust system” instead I used “strong system” that suffocate the lives of our people. Don’t try to put your own words in my mouth.Please.

            Again, there is no government without institutional system. In order “a system” to be called “a system” it doesn’t need to reflect “collective responsibility” in the way the system functions. Any tyrannical or dictatorial regimes do not have collective responsibilities on how their system functions. A system must have an institutional “super-structure” and institutional “infra-structure” with the people who runs it. If you don’t agree on this conventional interpretation of institutional system, the argument dies where it is.

            Note: Saay, it is such repetitive misrepresentation that sometimes be indulged to call it “a lie”.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Nope, you can’t indulge youself in calling a statement “a lie” and the person “a liar.” Particularly when you are arguing about synonyms: the synonym for “strong” is “robust.” And both “weed out” and “dismantle” share many synonyms.

            I am looking forward to your debate with Semere T. I want a good clean fight; no hits below the belt, stop when the whistle is blown. Unfortunately, we have no ladies to tell the audience, between rounds, what round it is.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            There is always a limit to something. If they keep repeating then it is intentional in my book. Most of the time I describe the terminologies I use in order to make them known the boundary of my argument and the specificity of argument. They can dance within that if they want to argue. Otherwise misrepresentation and misinforming in politics is a dirty game. I am careful on that, and I expect from the opposite side. Synonym words doesn’t mean hundred percent the same, otherwise no need to exist two for one meaning. Even if they look similar they differ in their applications. In a debate unless we want to construe the message we don’t need to replace some one’s wording by our words of choice.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            You said” misrepresentation and misinforming in politics is a dirty game.”
            Isn’t politics by itself is dirty?
            I think you played the dirtiest politics in misinforming the eritrean youth through mass mobilization in the heart of addis while living, working, worshipping with us.
            It hurts to be betrayed. Makes you suspicious. I hate it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            No, No Abi,

            Oh man, I don’t know how I change your feeling. Trust me, if things change I will invite you to Asmara to enjoy with the people you love. How about that. OR I could invite you to my home here in the US to bring the warm love feeling back to spirit.

          • saay7

            Hey Emma:

            Who is the “they” you mention. One of the most humbling things you have to get used is (a) whatever we write has a one week shelf life and (b) those who are responding to you are not the same people. So you can’t say “I wrote about this before” and expect people to find it, or remember it: or you can re-state what you had said before. Otherwise, expect to be frustrated. Also don’t always assume that words you use are understood in the manner you used them. We are all using a second language. Like, what’s the difference between “strong” and “robust” in the context u used it?

            Second “lying” requires motive and intent. Since you have no way of knowing that, it is best that you stick with “you are mistaken” or “you misunderstood” and then make the correction.

            Now, I am waiting for your debate with Semere T. It has had a good start. I hope he doesn’t go all Socrates on us and answer your questions with more questions.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay,

            Thank you. I will consider it.
            regards,

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selamat Amanuel H.

            No matter how you want to describe the kind of change; call it dismantle, weed out or get rid of, there is no way out of the impasse without involving those who are serving the regime under duress (the majority). The alternative is to remove the regime by a military force of a foreign entity; that would again install the opposition in exile to the office. But, then the challenge is that of legitimacy, and we have plenty of such disastrous experiments going on right now in front of our eyes.

      • Fnote Selam

        Saay,

        I remember there was this very popular cartoon in ‘Setit’, I think, back in 2001 that depicts an Eritrean minister still in his bed listening to Dimtsi Hafash and his wife asked him why he wasn’t up as it was pretty late….his reply was that he was waiting for Dimitsi Hafash to finish the news to learn which ministry he was assigned so he goes to the right office….

        FS.

    • V.F.

      Hi TG, would you mind explaining this statement to me? “And we must understand, the goal of isaias afewerki is not to indefinitely to hold on to power in Eritrea, or to unseat woyane through the help of Ethiopian opposition.” That is a very profound statement with lots of implications. If not holding on to power forever and defeating Woyane, what then is IA’s goal?

      I liked Semere’s bold approach to the article but I disagreed in essence to see Eritrea in two lenses – PFDJ or anti-PFDJ. I have come to learn that Eritreans are much more complex than being defined as PFDJsta or no-PFDJsta. The majority of Eritreans only know of the Government of Eritrea and they literally never make any mention of HiGDEF. It is almost a nonentity to them although that is the entity running the regime. Even the people who staunchly support PFDJ are not card caring members of the organization and don’t know much about it. There is a growing trend now of most people attributing most of the blame to one man, you guessed it IA. The trend now is to say “entay eyu zihasib zelo, nabey eyu ziwesda zelo eza adi. kla dey esu eyu baelu.’

      In any case, I think we are more suspicious of each other than we are divided. Almost all Eritreans agree that the policies of PFDJ have utterly failed, the man at the helm is primarily responsible, there is a lot of corruption, etc. The few supporters would have us believe that the regime has 50% support. That is far from the truth. Eritreans are afraid their country may vaporize and they are still of the opinion that the regime is best placed to protect it but not necessarily supportive of it. You may have read my opinions for the solution are different but the majority of Eritreans want a united country. Their differences are very nominal. They are actually united in one other thing – that is that the whole world is against us. Proof – the sanctions.

      PFDJ is extremely isolated right now. It is only being supported by people who have invested a lot in it and in the system, financially and emotionally. The majority of us are against PFDJ.

      Where we are sharply divided is in our views and opinions and participation with the opposition groups.

      • Tewelde G/mariam

        Hi V.F.,

        We have ample evidences to suggest that isaias afewerki has hidden agenda to decimate our country. His tenacious grip to power, therefore, is not for its sake but as a means to realize his evil dream. Take for example Badme, why was it, pre independence, transfered to the hands of woyane , and then, post independence, became the cause of war for isaias- Eritrea on woyane-ethiopia? We know his stated rational for the war on woyane-ethiopia was to repulse woyane aggression. But his claim could not stand against the Inquiry of the Ethiopian Eritrean Claim Commission, which found him guilty of invasion on Ethiopian, which he accepted and signed to pay Ethiopia for war reparation. Besides, if indeed woyane had invaded Eritrea, before taking any counter measure, he ought to have notified the UNSc of the alleged invasion in accordance with International law, which he conveniently disregard to suit his conspiracy.

        He also mismanaged the Third woyane offensive so that Eritrea would be defeated. To that end, under the deceptive slogan of miraculous Victory, he took complete control of the War Command, and it was during that time that woyane soldiers were able sneak deep into Eritrean territory and to launch a devastating attack on our Gash Barka Front from their rearguard.

        The current state of No War No Peace was engineered by him too..Soon after the EEBC issued its decision, he started his rancor with the Peace Keepers, the UN General Secretary and the UNSC. Later, he supported the Somali Islamist against the UNSC resolution,which brought about the cripping sanction.
        Neither him nor his family suffered the impact of the No War No Peace and sanction but the people of Eritrea. He broke all international laws and diplomatic norms to have Eritrea penalized and isolated for his improper conduct because he calculated that weakened Eritrea will be amenable to the realization of his evil dream, the undoing of its independence.

        • dawit

          Hi Tewelde,
          What a twisted reasoning? A man risking his whole life to destroy Eritrea!. For what? I am sure you were one of those beating the drum during the Bademe war. Now you don’t want to accept it, and you blame I.A. for all the problem Eritrea is going through. Blaming others or looking for scapegoat is the oldest trick man invented starting with Adam. I am surprised you didn’t blame I.A. for federating Eritrea with Ethiopia or starting the Liberation struggle!

      • Music Novice

        Greetings V.F.,

        I think Tewelde GM is into conspiracy theories.

        Did the Americans land men on the moon?

        Is the connection between HIV and AIDS a lie?

        Was 9/11 an inside job?

        Is Hitler still alive in the Amazonian jungle?

        Was the Indonesian Tsunami caused by the USA, Israel and India testing Nuclear bombs underground?

        Does Isaias bath in human blood (from national service youth) in order to live longer?

        • V.F.

          MN, what do you think is the lasting solution for. Eritreans? Meaning the end of all the suffering. Migration, war, poverty, injustice, etc. My main argument is that the potential to live as neighbors with Ethiopia has two competing dynamics that will make it awfully difficult. Ethiopia will always be a bully and Eritrea will always feel insecure. Belligerents on both sides will never sleep until one utterly fails or is under complete control.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings VF,

            The steps the two countries should follow: Peace, Normalization, Re-integration.
            It is better to prosper and share together rather than squander meagre resources.

            The formula should be: A thinking and a Problem Solving Approach. They must avoid the sick and parasitic attitude of the British, outlined by the 19th century Liberal (Whig) politician, Lord Palmerston, which goes as follows: There are no permanent friends or enemies but permanent interests.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    Sometimes you confuse me with your understanding and
    portrayal and characterization of Eritrea and its struggle !
    *
    All the land and the people north of the 12th parallel (latitude)
    is called Eritrea since the 18th century with three regions of
    1. Tigre Northern region
    2. Tigray Southern region and
    3. Afar & Issa – S.Eastern region
    of which the Tigray region was the most powerful of them.
    *
    Within these three regions of Eritrea there were 18 provinces
    ( 12 rural and 6 urban area provinces)
    before the Italians split them and the British made transfer of some
    people and lands ( provinces) for new neo-colonial administration
    partnership with king HSI to form a new system of administration.
    Now are you saying or telling me SIMIEN, S.TIGRAY & AUSSA
    are not Eritrean ?
    Just like Eritrea – the northern region of Ethiopia ;
    Ethiopia is also formed of three sizable regions to form a union.
    These are :
    1. Eritrea – the Northern state region
    2. Abyssinia – the southern state region &
    3. Somalia – the S. Eastern state region s
    with a number of urban and rural provinces incorporated within them.
    of which the power was alternating between Eritrea and Abyssinia over time.
    *
    Actually in name changes there are some reports that say Italia was intending
    and had a plan
    to change the name of Ethiopia entirely to call the whole Horn sub-region of present
    day Eritrea, Djoubouti and Ethiopia as ERYTHREA after it occupied and formed new
    nation building process and set up new administration in 1941 before interrupted by
    its WWII defeat ; the same way the name Abyssinia was changed to Ethiopia in the 17th
    century by missionaries.

    • V.F.

      Dear AMAN. For Pete’s sake, what are you talking about? You are more confusing than Gud. At least he is funny.

      • saay7

        Hi V.F.

        Oh no you diin’t! Hands off AMAN and L.T. And that applies to all of you who want to mess with them.

        saay

      • AMAN

        Hi V.F
        No ! I am not confusing. This one is actually the most
        clear idea that ever reveled and crssed my mind that
        I made the statement.
        The ones who are confusing are the people.
        More revelations are coming everyday. Thanks
        God ! It is good to have such good news when
        you have nightmares.

  • Gud

    “… they will sue each other and the court would have decided, in a final and binding manner, awarding the name to its rightful owner”
    Great! that is coming from the author who is not capable of relating to the real world “Final and binding” his dream nation is failing to honor. Just great!
    As for the article in general?
    – Detachment from the real Eritrea? Lots of sighs (Not of the authors fault). check
    – Not knowing PFDJ? Related to one above. Being away from ones country the cause. check!
    – The usual idiotic “PFDJ this PFDJ that”? plenty. Check
    – Designed to satisfy the dreamers and lost causes?, Reflected by the blind praise by the usual suspects. check
    – Not knowing the real enemies of Eritrea ? check
    – Does the article hide the author’s subordination to Woyanie and YGs tendencies? Reflected by the no mention of it. Check!
    Destination? straight to the dustbin
    Benefit to the author? progress from just a commenter to article writer. That is it

    • Gud

      Was not addressing the author directly, nor was I addressing any body in particular. The sentence within the quote is the focus here. Your greeting rule is being strictly followed wherever it is applicable. Back off a bit, will you? 🙂

      • Gud

        That is funny, Moda. scroll up and see your warning to me doesn’t beg with salutation either 🙂 Shouldn’t it say “From moderator: Hi Gud, begin with saluation at all times. In this case, say two words: Hi Semere. We insist on it.], no ? not meant to go back and forth with you here, just found it funny.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Gud lol very funny lol

    • Music Novice

      Greetings Gud,

      Final and binding? Can you go and discuss this issue with Ethiopia and the UN?

      What almost everyone in this form is asking is about:

      – the gagging/smothering of the population of Eritrea, a free press
      – bonded/involuntary labour, aka indefinite national service of press ganged Eritrean youth
      – an independent court of law
      – extra-judical killing
      – indefinite imprisonment
      – in general, the rule of law

  • Tzigereda

    Dear Semere arku,

    You are a very talented writer! There are some points ” HiriKriK ” zibelani, maybe you will understand what I mean when you hear these articulated Eritreans;
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kuLnvQYIulc

    Thank you

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Semere,

    what an article man, this is the the reality, thank you. now, among those two which one is qualified to challenge the other ? of course PFDJ has survived and challenged the other side of Eritrea. why? normally we always say ቃልስና ነዊሕን መሪርን እዩ ዓወትና ግን ናይ ግድን እዩ do we Eritreans enjoy the sufferings? it seems we will have to talk about the factors that make PFDJ survive for so long, and on the way about the 2 opposition. thank you Semere.

  • Music Novice

    Greetings Semere,

    An interesting article.

    Could it be the case that there are more than two Eritreas?

    In your opinion, what is the genesis of the troubles for current Eritrea? Surely, we should try to find underlying causes for these troubles rather than repeat the slogan from George Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’: “Two legs bad, Four legs good” which translates to “Isaias/PFDJ bad, the rest are good”. The problem is that it may be difficult to divide the country into two neat categories. For example, in Animal Farm, there were the two legged birds an the four legged pigs that end up being put in the wrong category.

  • dawit

    Dear Cousin SEM;

    Your opening statement “If there is one fallacy that both PFDJ* and anti-PFDJ Eritreans have in common is their belief that there is one Eritrea. But there are two Eritreas”. Yes there are two kind of Eritreans. One group believes, in the ‘real Eritrea’ whose cup is ‘half full’ and the other group believes in the ‘imaginary Eritrea’ whose cup is ’empty’. Honestly the rest of the article can be described as ‘Hateftef’ of a confused Eritrean driven by hate of PFDJ. Honestly I enjoy reading it.
    dawit

    • stewie

      Dawit

      More like one observes the realty the cup is seriously broken and the other blinded by his ideology thinks the broken cup is doing just fine.

      • dawit

        Stewie,
        Propaganda or not, the Eritrean nation is standing on its feet, that is the reality. Despite problems surrounding it the broken PFDJ cup is holding water. “We are #1 in the world”, We were the first Africans to ride at the Tour de France and we are competing in Richmond, USA as we speak, watch it and enjoy the Ride!

        • Music Novice

          Greetings dawit,

          But, can a nation be “#1 in the world” by the “Tour de France” alone, while its youth/wealth is sinking in shark infested seas?

          • dawit

            Hi Music Novice,
            But it shows something good is also going in Eritrea, that is what I say half full cup. But even what you described youth sinking in shark infested seas, has a positive spin to it. The misguided Eritrean youth is leading the poverty srapped nations in Africa to take risk to the green pasture of Europe, That is why many African political asylum seeker in Europe are Eritreans. Here I must give credit to Eritrean oppositions by painting Eritrea the hell of this earth with their narrative, ‘Shoot to kill’, slavery, the North Korea of Africa, (empty cup) have made it easy to the refugees gain asylum. Unfortunately some have lost their lives in the deserts and the sea. But you can not blame the tragedy on Eritrea as a nation.

          • Amde

            dawit

            You said “But even what you described youth sinking in shark infested seas, has a positive spin to it. The misguided Eritrean youth is leading the poverty strapped nations in Africa to take risk to the green pasture of Europe, That is why many African political asylum seeker in Europe are Eritreans.”

            I see how you spun this to say, ” Anyway you cut it, we’re always number one”

            Reminds me of the definition of Chutzpach… It is man who is convicted of killing both of his parents, and then begging the court for mercy on the grounds that he is a poor orphan with no mother or father.

            Amde

          • dawit

            A mde,
            What just wrote fit EPRDF, guilty of massacres in Gambella, Ogaden, in Somalia, in Addis, Starve Ogaden, Afars, etc and the give reasons ‘we are poor’, give us more guns and wheat! unlike Eritreans seeking justice and no material aid.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            It it good that Eritrean cyclists did well.

            However, a country’s real achievement is measured by the the size of its GDP, standard of education, number of doctors in the population, communication networks, by the way the young, the old and the disabled are treated, in general by how happy the population is.

          • dawit

            Greeting M. Novice,
            Yes cycling will not feed the country. But if you open your eyes and ears, Eritrea is also doing all the above things you mentioned, producing agricultural scientists, Marin Biologist, Medical doctors, Engineers, Social Scientists etc. given its limited resources and population. Eritrea has made tremendous strides in Soil and Water conservation projects, building dams and irrigation systems etc as part of food security objectives. When is the last time you heard Eritrea begging for Food Aid? I think you should start watching ERITV, to learn about the modern Eritrea , than relying on ETV, Al-jazira, CNN etc listening to the preaching of the doomsday prophets about Eritrea’s future. Even when many youth are running away, there are still more than enough youths remaining behind to defend and build their young nation. The successes in Athletic and Cycling only indicate the resilience and strength of Eritrean youth competing in world stages..

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            I do not watch or listen to any of the TV stations you mentioned.

            Reality does not support your claims. Where are the Marine Biologists, Doctors (MD), Engineers etc.
            Most of those well qualified have ran away and those sent for further studies are nor retuning back. Furthermore, there is no institution of higher learning of sufficiently high calibre.

            I do not know about you, but I was working in Eritrea for a long time and have seen the gradual degradation of institutions and skilled manpower with my own eyes.

          • dawit

            Greeting Music Novice,
            To be frank I am not relocating to Eritrea permanently. I have established myself here in the US where I have better opportunities just like, many professionals from around the world who have relocated themselves. It is not because politics but for economic reasons. My argument here is for those who are in Eritrea, they have better opportunities at home than living in refugee camps, or taking unnecessary risk and die in deserts and seas. Eritrea is a poor country now, but it will not remain poor for ever and there is devoted to develop it. We can take a lesson from the Israelites who are dispersed all over the world, but they work hard to develop their country Israel wherever they live. You don’t see them struggling day and night to destroy their country, unlike few misguided Eritreans campaigning to weaken Eritrea, advocating for imposing sanction military or economical. You referred to the period 1991-1998, when many Eritreans relocated but then that was disturbed by the border war ignited by Ethiopia, that created the problems that we found ourselves. This problem can only be resolved if Eritreans are united to find the solution. The Eritrean government which was 1991-1993, essentially the same government except now it is divided between supporters and opposition.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            Thank you for giving a straight answer.

            I agree with you that people should not risk humiliation and loss of their lives by leaving Eritrea. But their reasoning/reply, not mine, is as follows: due to the harsh economic and political climate in Eritrea, staying and dying prematurely while there is a certainty. But, on the other hand, although the risk of death when following the emigration trail is high, there is still a small chance, a non-zero probability of making it alive. What can I say to such a reply, while I myself have made a lucky escape and do not have higher moral grounds?

          • dawit

            Hi Music Novice,
            There is not that much differences between Eritrean history and Israelites. If you go by the Bible story, the came from 12 tribes. But if you don’t want to go back to the biblical stories, they are people cramming from various countries speak different languages, subjected to various abuses because of their race or religion. Finally they realized all the abuses they were facing due lack of a country, they struggle long to create their own country in 1948. They are united to keep this country have to fight against bigger neighbors four times since they formed their country. Every citizen is obliged to serve in the national army to defend the country. Now there are laws in Eritrea, I must say an emergency law dictated by the circumstances the young country is facing for its survival, against strong neighbors who are bent to destroy it. Seriously MN you should listen and watch Eritrean government news and reports, without that you will fall a victim of enemies of Eritrea propaganda. At least you have both sides of the story, and that is Eritrean culture.
            dawit

        • Gud

          Actully dawitom, the only broken PFDJ is the one in their imagination :). It is just like fantasy movie. If you ask me, they wouldn’t recognize PFDJ even if PFDJ comes and slaps them silly. It is all about creating this monster image in people’s head by repeating again and again PFDJ this PFDJ that. But at the end of the day it is like Addis people looking at Woyanie for the first time and saying, hey these are human being after all, just like me 🙂 Even tegadalay Mahmuday is falling for this. I mean seriously, these people are really lost or something

          • Ted

            Hi Gud, speaking of imagination, they have the wildest one. They still hang on the narration “Eritrea will collapse” since the day Ethiopian leaders preached them, they sit on their thumbs nothing to do except to look for imaginary sign of nation collapsing. You gotta pity the fool.

          • Gud

            Hey Ted, the great!

            “they sit on their thumbs nothing to do except to look for imaginary sign of nation collapsing”
            You said it in one sentence what most of us can not say in a whole article. Precise and to the point

        • stewie

          [Salutation]

          My friend…[Say his name, Dawit, it won’t kill you]

          Just look around you, the youth of the nation is being pushed out…, even the old people and the clergy men are leaving. Pretty soon, the only one left is going to be PFDJ family and some women, just like in Pyongyang, north Korea.

          The large emigration of youths is the clearest sign of extreme domestic discontent with Isaias Afwerki’s regime. Social malaise is pervasive. An ever-growing number of young people have fled over the last decade, frustrated by open-ended national service, aka *slavery*. Eritrean youth are extremely scarce not only in the capital,Asmara, but also in villages and towns, especially in the highlands (kebessa) as well as the borderlands next to Ethiopia and
          Sudan.When a child reaches the age of fifteen,no matter, it’s clearly time to leave before getting trapped in the military service.

          These level of the exodus is unsustainable…It is ending the country.

        • saay7

          Hey Cousin Dawit:

          You gave a fine sermon last Sunday where you acknowledged some of the mistakes the GoE made and asked them to apologize. Now, in less than a week, we are back to “We are # 1 in the world”?

          Here is the most stark contrast of the two Eritreas, to use iSem’s phrasing.

          Eritrea 1. The number of Eritreans said to be migrating is greatly exaggerated (Yemane Gebreab); many of them are actually Ethiopians (Bronwyn Bruton); and it is the pull factors–extremely generous asylum offers–that are contributing to this (Girma Asmerom); and, in any event good riddance because they are a burden to society (Isaias Afwerki) and they are gone to a picnic and they will come back home anyway (Isaias Afwerki.)

          Eritrea 2. The country is being emptied out of its population. This is having a disproportionate impact on highland Eritreans. Statistically, we know that of those who seek asylum in Europe/North America, only a tiny percentage ever return home to their native home. This is extremely dangerous to Eritrea in general (as highlanders are its stabilizing force) and to the highlanders in particular (as they are being driven to extinction.)

          There was a movie called “Dreamcatcher.” Two scientists in a cabin; one looks out the window and sees large number of animals–deer, rabbits, even bears–fleeing. One asks the other, “where are they running to?” And the other answers, “It’s not where they are going that worries me; it is what they are running away from!” So, for us in the (toothless) opposition, we hear the Europeans worried: “Where are they running to? Probably to us? Block the border!” And we are trying to blow the whistle on what they are running from, the tyrannical nature of the Isaias Afwerki regime. And all we hear is people minimizing everything.

          You need another Sunday sermon, bro.

          saay

          • dawit

            Dear Cosuni Saay/
            I am not denying that PFDJ made mistake, but may be lot responding to the opposition stand of Eritrea i.e. empty cap analogy. Inspire of the tremendous tragedies and obstacles, you see some positive developments. If we blame Eritrea under PFDJ as the worst country on earth when our national football players abandon their nation, then why not also praise it when our athletes and cyclist shine on world stages as #1? What is the reason for the opposition to magnify the bad part of Eritrea and at the time burry the positive side under the rug?

    • Music Novice

      Greetings dawit,

      The analogy you should use is: ‘half full’ and ‘half empty’.

      • dawit

        Hi Music Novice’
        I wish they believed the cup ‘half empty”, then they could have worked to fill the other half, instead of working day and night fabricating lies to abolish the Eritrean nation.

    • Amanuel

      Hi dawit
      To be frank your comment doesn’t make sense at all. You are the one confused.

  • haileTG

    Merhaba Sem,

    A very well written article. When you put an asterisk next to the PFDJ, I assumed you meant to sanitize (by omission) a well deserved swear letter that one would wish to suffix the wretched acronym with 🙂 Well, you’re calmer than that; you actually meant it a footnote:-)

    When I think of two Eritrea, it is those two where one exists in the minds of many that bears no resemblance to the one that is in the physical existence of today’s country called Eritrea. The mentally constructed Eritrea, as varied as its beholders, is far removed from the physical Eritrea that is in a dire straits as we speak. The recourse to mentally reconstructing a surreal Eritrea in itself is a sobering manifestation the physical Eritrea that is fully disconnect from the outside world (save for the facade of a nervous or selfishly vested visitor’s account). Recently, the industry announced that Eritrea is the least internet connected country in the planet with less than 1% of the population’s size in traffic (note the possible overlap from the end-user side, that could even lower the number further). That is between 5000 – 6000 people at the max (if you go by population est.). What that means is that 99% Eritrea has no real-time connectivity with the outside world! Imagine how far the “cruel” and “unhinged” dictator would go to hold on to power. Such isolated existence is not only concern that Eritreans in Eritrea don’t get much of what is happening with their diaspora counterparts (as it is mostly digital politics) but also that not much comes out of Eritrea either. Meaning, information inside the country is not easy to access from the right source or verify by crosschecking its veracity due to limited source. Such disconnect, leads those inside to resort to their imagination to picture the diaspora and those outside to do likewise to picture what is inside.

    However, the regime’s wrong policies have now created a challenge threatening its very survival, while the Eritrea that exists in the mind constructs of many is consistently misinterpreting the signs and putting the wrong foot out, each time a news that can’t be contained leaves the physical Eritrea and fully reveals itself to the audience in the mind construct Eritrea beholders. Such dichotomy, the mind construct vs physical Eritrea, would have greater practical application in exorcising the demons holding back many citizens from meaningfully contributing to the great march towards the ultimate goal of free Eritrea.

    Regards

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam Semere
    Excellent read; I have always felt you graced us with your amazing literary talents. You are one of few gifted writers. As a satirist and literary/vocabulary juggernaut of the Awate Nation, you have come with a metaphoric strategy to show us the contradicting self of Eritrea; or, to be exact, the Eritrean people. True there is an Eritrea that opportunists and sinister people want to create; and there is an Eritrea that truly patriotic Eritreans want to create, died for, and continue doing their best under difficult situation. This has been true since its creation, and will continue to be true as long as the reality we call Eritrea exists. There two contradicting constructs of Eritrea are visible in every stage of its development, and in the minds of every group that tells us confidently that it has the single right construct of Eritrea. 1940s, 50s, 60s, 70s,…2000…2015….there continue this contradicting construct. Some envision and die for a warm, caring, nurturing, securing…welcoming…tolerant Eritrea, others hitch a ride with the dedicated ones while aiming at curving out an Eritrea that fits their own narrow agendas. This trend is existent in both camps: in PFDJ and the opposition camps. The best way out of this circus, where the good natured and good intended Eritreans are drowned in the cacophonies of hitch-to-hijack folks, is by reaching out to each out, by promoting a climate where these truly patriotic Eritreans meet and discuss with the intention of reconciliation and moving forward. This will mean breaking away from entrenched assumptions, stereotypes, and ruining notions that have found fertile grounds in unsuspecting minds of members in both camps.
    1. 1940s-Federation: Eritrea contained both contradicting constructs; a construct of free and democratic Eritrea, A vision that sought an independently rising nation. On the other hand there was the construct of an obedient, docile, submissive…a construct that sought the deconstruction of Eritrea.
    2. End of federal act to 1991: An Eritrea that hosted contradicting ideas. The primary driving idea being the materialization of a free, progressive and democratic Nation. While the undercurrents hitching the ride for the purpose of hijacking it included Marxism, Maoism, Pan Arabism…Andnetism…and the chatter and clamor continues.
    3. Each of the broadly identified camps (PFDJ and opposition) contain this contradicting constructs of Eritrea. In the PFDJ camp, there are many who want to end the current fiasco. Although they fatten PFDJ’s files and number, they don’t agree with its policies. They keep fighting it using every venue available to them. The opposition is also full of groups and individuals whose Eritrean construct is completely contradictory. While there are true patriotic Eritreans who work hard for the betterment of their country and its people, there are visible hitch riders who are making a well concerted campaigns to hijack the opposition. They have reached a point where the praising of the Ethiopian government and the defense of its ruinous policy towards Eritrea have become trendy. This subgroup is easily identified for it works full time in projects that are aimed at weakening and finally dismembering Eritrea making it easy to get deconstructed from the minds of the true citizens. Make no mistake, PFDJ policies and this subgroups projects agree in their final goals-both result in the weakening of Eritrea.
    4. The way forward: is for the reasonable patriotic citizens to reach out to each other; start an unorthodoxy strategy of crossing the isle. The immediate rescue of Eritrea, its freedom and continuity depends on how fast these two separated yet natural allies convene, dialogue…and reconcile. The pace has so far being disappointing. Discordant initiatives…calls…and performances of truly dedicated citizens have been totally subdued by the concerted and well planned campaigns of the two destructive groups on both side of the isle. The time has come for the efforts of these reasonable, pragmatic and solution-oriented groups and individuals to come to terms. Passion by itself will not dislodge PFDJ. PFDJ could be brought to its senses only when its millions of change seeking or potential change seeking “members” reach out to the millions in the opposition who have no other agenda except to see Eritrea recover and find its bearings. The time has come for RECONCILIATION; for the opposition to reconcile its unsustainable contradictory self, in that, while it works for justice it continues to host and entertain unjust practices, while it stands for democracy, it exhibits undemocratic practices…while it works for Eritrea, it contains subgroups and individuals who promote the deconstruction of Eritrea openly…while it does the heavy lifting few vocal deconstructionists of Eritrea keep hitch riding with it for the purpose of hijacking it. The more it distinguishes itself from these elements the more easy the going and the more clearer the purpose will be making its alliance with the strategic friends in the PFDJ camps easy. Similarly, change seeking members of the PFDJ camp need to reconcile the fact that they are seeking change while at the same time becoming accessories of anti-change and repression policies of PFDJ. For this to happen, of course, we will need a front man and a music sheet. With them, we will continue making sounds but not music for we are playing in different keys and tempos.
    There is no change without first reconciling our mismatching priorities, and without feeling comfortable to talk to communicate rather than talk. Reconciliation, in contrast to weeding out, would mean the recognition that social change could not come without unity of purpose of the majority of that society. And unity is preceded by reconciliatory attitudes, programs and trends.

    • haileTG

      Happy Eid al-adha Mahmuday,

      Could it be that what you’re recommending closer to a merger than reconciliation? For example “patriotism” is a subjective judgement. What is patriotic to one person may be unpatriotic to the other, as per their own measuring yardsticks. Hence, for true reconciliation to be had one needs to accept unconditionally. In mergers however, all those with common perspective on certain areas can come together to speed up their success. I am thinking of what will happen to those slated to be left behind because they are deemed one thing or another? Can they join reconciliation round II after d-day or simply be defeated, vanquished and forgotten about?

      My view is that reconciliation can only be realistically be aimed for the earliest after the fall of the regime. That would be essential and practical. A common minimum platform may be what is needed now to push the regime out sooner than later. Technically speaking, we’re also unsure as to the nature of opposition inside the country and the system itself, thus the reconciliation would necessarily be incomplete.

      ደጊመ ርሑስ ዒድ ይግበሮ ንኹልና፡ ናይ ፌስታ ኢለ’የ ኣሕጽር ኣቢለያ እምበር ዕርቂ ክበሃል ከሎ ዘረባ ምሕጻር’ሲ ኣይግድን 🙂

      • Mahmud Saleh

        MatHab HaileTG
        Yes, I agree. I’m looking at:
        1/ I’m looking for finding out ways of consolidating factions and individuals with similar programs within the opposition and extending that across to those affiliated with PFDJ, who hold the same visions (it may look impractical if you are looking at the hardcore, but if you recognize that there are many “members” of PFDJ who are equally eager to see change, it becomes easy). Therefore, It is a recognition that there are many people who are looking for ways of bringing change. Of course some may talk of a radical change while others for a soft transfer of power, nonetheless, all agree the current government needs to be changed. So this fits the merger you are referring to. I am using the reconciliation for: a/ such consolidation lays foundation for national reconciliation which as you said would be practical after the political change, because in the process of merging you are actually doing reconciling of programs and visions and many skills of negotiation and bargaining are acquired.
        b/ it is a path for unity of force and ideas which could pose an alternative…that’s at practical level.
        2. The Grand National Reconciliation will be possible, as you said, in a completely different climate, a free vibe. That’s for conflict resolution and controlling acts of retribution.
        Anyway, it’s late, ሕውስውስ ኢሉኒ ይኸውን እዩ። Let’s see if we can take it further tomorrow.

        • haileTG

          hey Mahmuday,

          I see your intent in trying to narrow gaps, however, of late I have been paying attention to the operative words we employ in the justice camp and it seems there is some incongruity in usage vs truth of the situation. For example, PFDJ uses the operative words “democracy” & “Justice” while it stands for the exact opposite, there is a youth organization that uses the operative word “Smret” but finds itself embroiled in internal divisions and can’t be said to be a united front by two or more of disparate groups with significant ideological differences (which is what Smret as operative word signify), there is calls for reconciliation when there in no preparedness to forge mutual recognition of each others’ fundamental rights, there is a place called Bar Selam in Asmara that is frequented by brawls and selam/peace is the last place to find in…

          When operative words are not carefully selected to identify what is sought for then finding the intended solution can be eluding. And the implied outcome of the wrongly used operative word could not materialize anyways because there wouldn’t be the right conditions for it to start with.

          Otherwise, I agree that a Common Minimum Platform (even if not an outright merger) is necessary to speed up the desired change. And calling it a CMP would send the right signal that people are not asked to do anything that they feel they can’t do at this point in time.

          Regards

      • Kokhob Selam

        ዒድ ሙባርከ ሃይላት ደግለል :-
        ሃይላት ንዓ እንዶ ግዳ ናብ ዓንቀጽ ቀይርካ ብንኡስ -ዓንቀጻት ኣስፊሕካ ኣዕሙቕ ቢልካ ጆባእ በለና : እዋእ እንታይ ኢኻ ቁሩብ ቁራቦ ኣጥዕም ኣቢልካ ትኾልፈና !! ኣደይ ማርያም : ኣነ እዚ ኣብ ርእስኺ ሒዝክዮ ዘለኺ እንተትስከሞ ሃገር ብሃገራ ኣጽጊበያ ምሓደርኩ ! ሃይላት ደግለል ::

    • Maekebay

      Hello Sir. Mahmuday,

      The old Tigirgna adage is still valid: ኣብ ክንደይ ኣቐብ’ሞ ዘይጠረጥና በለት ኣድጊ. Your typical PFDJ/EPLF’s language is showing up ugly. You have not changed a bit yet. You served Isaia and his henchmen during your entire ghedli life while others died at the trenches, then you left Eritrea just after independence to live in the United States to raise your kids and now you are warning us about our fate if we don’t accept your vision of Eritrea. You have become a judge and a prosecutor for those you despise in that virtual world you live in. You have divided divided Eritreans as “patriotic and genuine Eritreans” versus “unpatriotic, Andnet and non-genuine Eritreans” without a scintilla of shame. ኣንታ ቁሩብዶ ሕፍረት ኣይስማዓካን’ዩ? Don’t Eritreans get wiser with age?

      Here is the bitter truth that I am very generous to reveal to you: Eritrea does not belong to you an inch (or a millimeter) longer or wider in all three dimensions more than it belongs to those you have categorized as “Andnet and non-genuine Eritreans”. My unsolicited advice to you is: ዝገብር ነዲኡ ኣይነግር. Just stop bluffing and do what honorable men do.

      ካብ ናትካ ንግስነት የድሕነና ፈጣሪ!

      Maekebay

      • Ted

        Hi, Maekebay. The word patriotic defines itself as people who love their country and the unpatriotic are those who don’t. If You are into Andenet( Ethiopia Lover), don’t blame The Great Mahamuday about the label ‘cos he has nothing to do with you being unpatriotic or “Andnet and non-genuine Eritreans”. You made your choice and you can’t have it both ways.
        Here is the bitter truth that i am generously to reveal to you; Learn from ” General Mola” ,the patriotic Ethiopian, to leave Eritrea alone for those who care being Eritrean.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam Ted
          These are not confused lots. They are well organized. I hope you read my new “Guidance Assurance Standard” which simply states that I could be approximately sure that I am at the right track if my comment rattles either or both of the signposts. Those two signposts are the extreme PFDJista and the naked Andnetista. In between, conversation is possible; dialogue is possible,;merger is possible; rapprochement is possible. Those two extremes are creating chaos and confusion, and fair-minded voices are drowned by the thunderous noises of these two extremes. As you know, PFDJ knows Andnet voices are not a threat to its existence for they don’t appeal to the majority of Eritreans. PFDJ zeroes in on groups and individuals who it thinks reflect the aspiration of our people of reclaiming our their nation and their history. Therefore, the reasonable and patriotic Eritreans within the opposition camp are attacked from two directions: They are directly attacked by PFDJ hardliners and indirectly by Andenetistas who eat away at their achievements. I mean this is not a secret anymore. Folks who are totally drenched with mercenary mission, people who don’t even accept the hard truth that there is a country called Eritrea…who mock its bitter experience…and sacrifice…could not tell us they are patriotic. Patriotism is a free expression of one’s citizenship, it is a strong expression of one’s allegiance to his country; it’s the love of a country…not a region or subsets but the whole nation. Someone who doesn’t even accept the existence of such a construct could not be expected to display patriotism. Therefore, at the end, Eritrea will be changed by people who love it. Period.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Mahmud,

            Re Andnetista, is it possible one could genuinely believe that for Eritreans (that s/he truly loves), it is better to be united with Ethiopia as one country?

            Best,

            FS.

          • V.F.

            Dear Fnote Selam. I am as Eritrean as anyone, tracing my roots 15 generations to a small village in the massawa area of Asawrta origin. But I genuinely believe that if we join them as a federation, we can take be at the top of the helm quickly. We have the people, the resources, to do it. The way we are right now, we will never be in peace. That is my humble opinion. If someone can guarantee me right now we can live peacefully as a neighboring country to Ethiopia, I will take it hands down. I am not of the caliber of people who say Eritrea doesn’t have the viability, the history, or the justification to be a separate nation. But for our own survival and perpetuity, it is better to be federated and maximize our potential. It may come at the expense of being dominated for a while but eventually, we could rise to power, prosperity, peace, and justice.

          • አዲስ

            Hi V.F. ,

            You said :

            “But I genuinely believe that if we join them as a federation, we can be at the top of the helm quickly.”

            What makes you believe that? what characteristics, talents and values would Eritreans have that enable them to “be at the top of the helm quickly” as opposed to Ethiopians? How quick is quickly for you? 5 years? 10? 20? 50? Is the end goal for your call to unification by federation with Ethiopia is for the Eritrean society to be at the top of Ethiopia’s power and wealth?

            This of course is if Ethiopians want that unification 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • V.F.

            Hi Hadish (Tigrinya 101 for you),

            Let me tell you one thing. Unification will always be much more unpopular for Eritreans than Ethiopians. Nobody is begging. I hope Abi is reading too. No peace in Eritrea means no peace in Ethiopia and vice versa.

            So what would you expect Eritreans to do? Simply subjugate?

            They would have to be given opportunities to complete and ascend as high as possible economically, socially, and politically as they would be coming with a whole lot to offer.

            This is the problem. Ethiopians feeling superior and Eritreans feeling insecure and overly protective. Without a remedy for this, there will not be any peace amongst the two peoples.

          • አዲስ

            Hi V.F,

            I am not the one who is being superior here. Rather you are the one suggesting that.

            You claim : “But I genuinely believe that if we join them as a federation, we can be at the top of the helm quickly.” and I am asking you to substantiate that. For a group of people to come and be at the top of the helm quickly, they have to have a certain quality and skills that makes them better candidate for the top helm. Substantiate that is my question to you.

            I am asking you this because rather than thinking in the line of contributing to the betterment of the whole federation(assuming a federation will come about) and compete in it, you out-rightly imply you (or Eritreans) will be on top and be on top rather quickly. This coupled with the dynamic of the relationship between the two people that didn’t work out well in the past is a troubling line of thinking to me. So I see this kind of unification talk suspiciously. I am not suggesting you beg 🙂

            Your claim of “No peace in Eritrea means no peace in Ethiopia and vice versa.” is a bit stretched and can’t be a ground for unification.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • V.F.

            Addis, at the top doesn’t mean take over Ethiopia and ‘colonize’ it. It simply means have people in good positions of power, wealth, and social prestige. Why is that hard to understand?

            I need someone to give me a formula of peaceful existence as two separate countries given what we know now of destabilizing acts on both sides.

          • አዲስ

            V.F.

            Well I didn’t think of it in colonizing way as that’s not realistic. But I tried to give you my understanding of your wording and approach about it. I’ll leave it there for now.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Abi

            Hi VF
            I will help you find a solution.
            Reform your government with or without IA. It is the best and safest solution for eritrea. It is a one man system that can be reformed easily.
            Then we will talk normal Telationship, peace and the rest .
            I believe IA can make miraculous change tomorrow morning.
            You remember when Mengistu switched from socialism to market economy just in one Friday afternoon speech? Something like that.
            Good luck.

          • AOsman

            Dear Abi,

            What V.F means, O Ethiopians come and buy Asab and in return he promises us (Eritreans) that he will spread all the dividends to enrich us :). Out of love of “people” and strong “patriotism” (I guess double love), he is saying we will be #1 under federation (dawit supports him too by default – am a bit confused why did Ted calls him un-patriotic?).

            One thing you must credit V.F for is that he single handedly made awatista agree on keeping the two nations separate on fear of being taken advantage by the other – gegezana yihashena koyna neger.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            Merhaba AOsman
            Months ago he proposed the use of Assab port for 2 years if we die for him. When I screamed at him he said he was only joking. I believed him back then. I even apologized for missing the joke.
            he is getting worse by day. Last week he said he wants the two countries to be united so that he can rule.I call it kebesas syndrome. Always trying to outsmart everyone everywhere. No humility at all .
            One thing he forgot is this is not the old ethiopia . “Eritrea wey mot!” Is outdated. “Qey Bahir berachin” is not in the minds of the new generation.
            What is doable? Reform the one man rule or to convince 106 million people to be united?

          • Amde

            Selam VF

            I don’t know how old you are or if you have lived in Ethiopia proper. Sounds like you received some hard lessonsnin what has transpired in the past few decades.

            Just as Eritreans have bad memories of Ethiopia, Ethiopians also have bad memories of Eritreans being at the privileged helm of Ethiopia. The Hailesellasie government can be described as a Shewa – Kebessa partnership. In general, a Tigrinya speaker in government, commerce, professional ranks in Ethiopia was someone from Eritrea and not a Tigrayan. Ethiopians have a hard time squaring the privileged status of Eritreans in Ethiopia with their support to the independence movement movement and its cost to Ethiopia. So there is a lot of “They made their bed, let them lie in it” sentiment, which you just learned.

            In any case, Eritrean dominance in Ethiopia was an accident of history that has its genesis with the fascist invasion of 1935, and Hailesellasie’s policies to entice and integrate Eritrea. Eritreans had exposure to modern administration and could be useful to Hailesellasie’s efforts to modernize the country. That was over 50 years ago, and the deportations probably have had a large effect. Once you factor those two, the historical basis for Eritrean privilege in Ethiopia is at this point a moot point.

            The other thing is, as you can imagine, the perception of TPLF dominance of the political system and the authoritarian nature of EPRDF rule is quite resented in Ethiopia right now. Any talk of Tigray/Kebessa partnership in the polarized ethnic politics climate of the country is adding fuel to fire. And you thought the problem was only going to be on the Eritrean side haha.

            In general, I do agree that due to Eritrea’s location, and the fact that is is a civilizational boundary, Ethiopia will see Eritrea primarily with the security prism (not because we are a bully). That will drive the nature of all other relationships (economic etc…) This is the dilemma that I believe you have correctly identified. Hegemonic competition is one way of dealing with it, but that is an experiment that is currently being run with catastrophic results. Something else has to take its place, but right now it doesn’t look like playing the union card is what is called for.

            Dont lose heart, yours is an important voice. I believe your voice is on the right historical trajectory… peace, normalization, integration. Just learn a bit more about what your audience would and would not like to hear.

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amde. What do you mean ” your voice is important one” this guy is dipressed and a lost cause. He is lashing out at his personal issue. Nothing to do with Eritrea or Ethiopia. Like I have said it before, he is incapable of holding on a nick name let alone to take a stand on issues. So, take it easy, he is nobody.

          • V.F.

            Dear Amde,

            It seems like you are the only one who understands my concerns which I am fruitlessly laboring to explain to people here.

            1. Quickly ascending to the helm – by that I mean the way the Eritreans had it in Addis wealth wise. This doesn’t mean they should go there again. Eritrean artists, for example, are quite popular in Tigray. That expands their market by at least 6 million more people. Port of masawa would also be a huge source of income and employment from the flourishing economy of northern Ethiopia.

            2. I do not believe for one minute that Eyob and Abi represent the views of typical Ethiopians. Eyob and Abi are playing reverse psychology very well. It’s how cheaply we can get them back game, an old playbook. Most Ethiopians would welcome a peaceful and carefully orchestrated reintegration.

            3. I know full well that my views are extremely idealistic and not accepted by a huge majority of Eritreans. Eritreans resentment is for different reasons. There has been a lot of bad memory from the previous two regimes and the 1998-2000 war.

            4. TPLF is not in any mood to relinquish the least bit of power any time soon. Thus if Eritreans were, say, to join now, they would hit a hard wall trying to crack open any position of authority. A formidable party from Eritrea could start competing well in a decade or two.

            5. When I write here, I think of what’s best for Eritreans because Ethiopians for the most part will be okay either way. But they will have to decide what’s best for them too as far as Eritrea is concerned. Abi was saying Eritrea is a cheap merchandise and Shum foolishly agreed with him. If Abi’s view is the view of most Ethiopians, then well and good, we live the way it is now for eternity. Nothing will change, regime change in Asmara will not solve this dynamics.

            In conclusion, the two brotherly people share much more with each than almost any other two neighboring nations. Why not use this similarly and shared history to its fullest rather than dwell on the absolute worst parts of history that they share and fog up all the positive things they share.

            P.S. When I mention reintegration, I don’t mean overnight. A lot of things have to be corrected first not least of which is get rid of IA.

            If anyone has a solution for a peaceful life as neighbors, I am all ears. Ultimately my goal is to bring to a screeching halt the suffering and decades long migration of my people.

          • Amde

            Hi VF

            I find little I disagree with with what you wrote. There is a “Once bitten twice shy” element to Ethiopian sentiment about Eritrea. And right now, I think it is worst among Tigrayans who feel especially bitter about the 98 war. Objectively speaking, one can make a good argument that the main issue that allowed Ethiopia to do well economically is the fact that there is no more war with Eritreans. So all those feelings have to somehow be addressed.

            In any case, I feel economic integration and ironclad security arrangement between the two is inevitable and is achievable. Ethiopia needs a trustworthy partner though, and that book is still very much open.

            Paradoxically, I think Eritrean demographic minority communities will probably get better protection from Kebessa political hegemony within the larger Ethiopian state, which can be thought of as a nation of minorities. In such a country, politics can only happen coalition fashion once the rules of political competition change from bullet to the ballot. My view is, the more players join this political competition, the better it is for everyone. So I definitely see a positive, stabilizing role for Eritrean political constituencies within A “democratic” Ethiopia. Eritrea’s demographics is such that right now, I don’t see the same leverage Eritrean minorities would have in a more or less permanently Kebessa dominated Eritrea, than in an Ethiopia where there is no in-built permanent majority.

            Amde

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear V.F.
            Allow me to say something till Amed comes.
            you see brother, every one of us can come with different views. and no one is more Eritrean than the other so there is nothing personal. even PFDJ if this criminal arrogance group comes with rule and system, we could have listened what he wants to say. So every view here is respected. I want only the say following few points.
            01. one of my life principle that I include in my list when I reach 25 was, I should understand people before I complain that they are not understanding me.since then I give first place to listen. Wow it works, because people want to be listened as you do. if you give them chance, you may learn there are things you didn’t put in to consideration and sometime even you may find what you are saying is not on it’s proper time and sometime what you want to say is not there concern at that very moment but they have more important and emergency job.
            02.people are more concerned for something they already pay than free one. this is because the want to gain from what they paid. it is because before paying they have thought deeply the advantage and disadvantage. imagine now when the payment is even not money but the most loved son and doughtier mother and father.
            03.in every different group there is positive and negative:- for example those who join Ethiopia and were against Eritrean freedom had people with healthy intention and ill intention. it is the same with those who want separate nation. but when the total sum of ill intention is majority the result is always bad and negative. the ill intention makes you corrupted in managing the system you want to create.
            04. your body organ ( kidney for example) can’t work united with other organs if the kidney tissues and all other parts are not functioning united. we can’t create united 2 nations when we still didn’t even work united with our 1 nation. we can’t expect the nations to keep human rights when we still didn’t create the system within us. Eritrea which was already interning to capitalism can’t be easily untied with Ethiopia during federation, the king is supposed to make a good study and let Eritrean chose and then create procures and steps of unity if Eritreans agree. Sorry to say, now we can’t force Ethiopians for unity even if we want as they have created a system that may not work with us.
            05.unity is not necessarily be one flag and government and even constitution, they can even gain in take and give better as two nations.

            what do you think?

          • V.F.

            Dear KS,

            People are misrepresenting my ideas and trying to humiliate me rather than refute what I am saying. Abi in particular has been`very malicious and poisonous.

            I will tell you one thing first – Abi and Eyob are here not to fight what is good for the people of Eritrea. These two individuals are here to get a high out of the suffering and agony of Eritreans. There are other much more well meaning Ethiopians here. Amde, T. Kifle, and the like. Abi and Eyob talk about Kebessa Eritreans more frequently than anyone else in the internets. Ask them one village in Kebessa and where it is. What the history of that village or name anyone from there. They are here trying to wedge a sword amongst the already very divided people.

            When Eyob and Abi tell you, ‘oh please stay away, we are doing just fine, we don’t need you…’ that is a ploy. That is what I call reverse psychology. The majority of Ethiopians views are much more cordial and friendly. These two individuals are hostile and they are here demeaning the Eritrean people and having fun at the expense of our suffering. That is not your typical Ethiopian.

            Having said, that I will conclude this way:

            I will come back in 10 years or so and see where we are. By then, I hope for people to wisen up and start thinking of the people first and not the artificial borders. I hope for one day to see the borders becoming obsolete and gone in history just as in the Italians and Menelik II. Until and unless that happens, Eritreans will continue to suffer. PFDJ will be gone. The geopolitical dynamics with Ethiopia will always be there. That is to me priority number one. I offered my idea, peaceful and carefully orchestrated reintegration, not overnight but that discussion needs to start now. I don’t see any other prospects for peace. Everyone else is running around PFJD this PFDJ that.

          • Abi

            Heloooo Ermi my friend
            I am quietly reading your humble opinion where you suggest to federated and be on top of the helm.
            On my dead body!

            I like you when you talk about soccer than politics. I love the old Ermi.
            Please stop insulting us.
            Yeqenyeley

          • V.F.

            Abi, you can think of me as whoever you think.

            I am prescribing the same solution for Eritreans as in tigrayans.

          • አዲስ

            Hi V.F.

            You said:

            “I am prescribing the same solution for Eritreans as in tigrayans.”

            Once in a hole, it’s advisable to stop digging. wey gud 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • V.F.

            Addis, Tigrayans are as equally Ethiopian or non-Ethiopian as Eritreans. So I repeat, Eritreans should follow the same formula as Tigrayans. They are untouchable right now. We are at your mercy unfortunately.

          • አዲስ

            V.F,

            Wedaje tegna ahun. Enkilf tiru new.

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Abi

            VF
            You are prescribing poison.
            KemeTegen alemesber yiqelal.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            You know the old Ermias was not that much different either….remember, once he called us “….breeding like a rabit…”?

            There is astonishing arrogance about him…

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            I remember how I reacted that time . Actually, he said ” ethiopians are breeding like flies “

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abishu,

            You’re right. I just remembered…that was horrible…

          • V.F.

            Ay Eyob. You have joined the guys misrepresenting what I said. At the top of the helm to me means to do well in all aspects of life. Why are you in this forum? If you do not want to have anything to do with Eritreans, why spend hours a day here? If you want to encourage Eritreans to join your federal system, you have to promise them they will be on equal footing as in everyone and leave it up to them. In that situation, Eritreans can ascend because the sky is the limit for this people. It would be equally as good for the rest of Ethiopians. Why is this a rocket science?

          • Abi

            Hi VF
            Is Eyob suggesting a federal system with eritrea?
            Or you are dreaming?

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi V.F., aka Mizan,

            There is a proven solution to your “nightmare”; every one to his home. Problem solved.

          • Shum

            Hello V.F.,

            You sound confused brother. I say this with all due respect. You’re ideas about unification/federation are being rejected because the reasons you give are bogus. People put value in their identity whether Ethiopian or Eritrean. The Ethiopians are chastising you because you see this unification as a way to come up and over others. It’s all about what you can get out of it. Eritreans are rejecting you because, well, we’re Eritreans. We’ve already been down this road. We know who we are. Our problems are multi-fold but it doesn’t require undertaking unification. People don’t wake up one day and say, man, it’s bad out here, let’s all dissolve this and get with the folks over there. They got it good. Have some dignity man. Don’t sell yourself on the corners of the Awate forum. No one is fooled by our tight skirt and cheap perfume.

          • Saleh Johar

            Shum, and there are no buyers in this corner, at any price. Who buys agwal enqwaqHo anyway?

          • Shum

            Selam Ato Saleh,

            Everytime I come to Awate forums (which is at least oh, every couple of hours of my day), I always say to myself, “lomi, intay’ye kisemE”. Usually, I ponder and internalize what i read, but when i saw this from V.F., I couldn’t resist. I blame Saay with his “No Eritrean Left Behind” slogan. Here’s the irony. If V.F. is Ermias, it’s funny because Ermias left in a puff with his high heels upset with Saay and his response to HTG during the Keboro Junkie episode when Saay and HTG greated each other like Seinfeld and Newman.

          • Nitricc

            Hey shum: just for clarity. Ermias, Binyam, Mizan,Mizan1, Volta Face and V.F is the same person. Just you know.

          • V.F.

            Shum, citizenship and identity are not the same. I am a Tigrinya speaking habesha, that is my identity. My citizenship is Eritrean. Identity is much more fundamental and correct representation of what I am made of. So identity wise, I am the same as someone from Tigray, for example. The artificial lines do not define who I am and who you are. You are being labeled a cheap merchandise and you see no problem with it. Go figure.

          • Shum

            Selam V.F.,

            I don’t know if you know this but Eritreans, like most people of the world, have multiple layers of identification. I share your Tigrinya speaking Habesha, but that is too long to say. Can I just say I’m Habesha or Asha Hamasien? This identity is not the most fundamental for me because it is inherited. No one can take it from me. It is a cultural identification. I’m with Saay on culture. I take the good from it and I discard the rest. There are parts of our cultural experience in the horn that makes it easy for authoritarians to have their way with the people. But I’m getting off topic here.

            Rather than say same or different, let me join you in saying I share a lot of history, culture and experiences with the people of Tigray and Ethiopia. I wish these shared traits meant we have more understanding of each other and less conflict. It hasn’t, never has.

            I have news for you, all countries share borders with other countries that have cross-cultural peoples. These seems to be news to the Ethiopian overlords of the past and Ethiophiles such as yourself. If we base a country solely on shared cultural identity, we should create one big nation in Africa as each country bordering the next would share cultures. Nigeria, Benin and Togo all have Yoruba tribes. By your definition, they are cheap merchandise with artificial lines and should unite.

            I tell you what, lets take it closer to home. Below are 4 countries you should be very familiar with. See if you can connect the dots

            1. Djibouti (Afar, Somali)
            2. Eritrea (Afar, Beni Amer, Habesha)
            3. Ethiopia (Habesha, Somali, Nuer, Afar, Oromo)
            4. Sudan (Beni Amer, Arab, Nuer)
            5. Kenya (Somali, Oromo)

            If we go by your way of identifying a state, then at least these 5 countries should be one. In truth, there should be one African country because we all connect like Legos. But let’s be honest, this is not workable. They have shared cultures and ethnicities, but they don’t all have the same history and shared experiences.

            This cultural link was used for political mileage. In truth, Ethiopia had its own interests in incorporating Eritrea into it’s fold: Port access, Fear of external forces, etc. Like it or not, colonialism has had an impact on our continent. It created several countries. You can blame Menelik, Ghedli or whatever you like, but we’re here now. You’re right, artificial lines don’t define me, I do. But they do define each of the countries listed above. They encapsulate so much about a people and their story.

            You can choose to pretend that I and others have chosen the land over the people all you want. It doesn’t change who i choose to be and how I feel about my people. I have family in Eritrea just as you do. I know the stakes. I want to see change in my country. I don’t want my country to change what it is.

          • Ted

            Hi Adis. He is playing both of us. He thinks Eritrea won’t be Sigapore if Ethiopians are not willing and To Ethiopians, Ethiopia is doomed if Eritrea wants to. With brain like this it is not far fetched if “we can be at the top of the helm quickly.
            If by any chance your people pre approved us for unification, Mizan(VF) is the one to call.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            With brain like Ermi , my former soccer friend, we will be at war again.

          • Ted

            Hi Abi, thank you slamming the door in his face. let him sell his crazy somewhere else.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgz5-8chSlk

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            As cheap as his merchandise is, he has no buyers.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Addis,

            This is the classic case of many, especially good number of Kebessa Eritreans over valuing themselves and thinking that every where they go they expect to be at the “helm” even at the expense of those, who give them the privileges…. It’s like going into someone else’s house and ordering your host’s wife to wash your feet and cook dinner for you…. (Smh)

          • አዲስ

            Eyob,

            He followed it up with this statement if there ever was any confusion.

            “I am prescribing the same solution for Eritreans as in tigrayans.”

            The guy is relentless 🙂

            Thanks,
            Addis

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear VF

            I respect your opinion, but I am not sure union with Eth is best for Eris, definitely not at this moment. Also, your reasoning for union with Eth is quite strange, I would actually say that is the very reason you don’t a union. What’s more astounding that comes out of ‘ethiophil’ (for lack of better term) Eris, is the constant and unreasonable barrage of attack (sometime so comical) toward Eri and Eris….to the extent of describing anything that has to do Eris (not pfdj or ia) as uniquely bad or whatever….And I noticed you do that sometimes…..The fact is, you can argue for closer relation with Eth or even union without having the urge of spinning everything to present Eri and Eris in bad image.

            Best,

            FS.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear FS;
            I wrote a reply before I was sure I understood your question. Since you are one of those careful awatistas, I don’t want to leave you with an answer based on my guess. Could you rephrase your question. I thought you are saying if it is possible for an Eritrean to believe that uniting with Ethiopia is better.
            Yes, it is. The difference is the timing FS. If we have rights guaranteed in a constitution and there are citizens who exercise their rights per the articles of the constitution…no problem. What you see now is a situation where there is no normalcy no constitutional rights delimiting the boundaries of the governments and shows the scopes of the rights of citizens, As I understand it, justice seekers are fighting to have that normalcy. Those who fight for Andnet let them be known for that so that they don’t eat away at what Eritreans-for-Eritrea are doing to have a normal and stable state.
            If your question is if fighting for a union is also patriotism: It could be a patriotic expression stemming from their allegiance to Ethiopia, not from their allegiance to Eritrea. Remember there could be a non patriotic Eritreans for different reasons (religious…or higher levels of humanity such as anti-armament and war…). That’s perfectly real and fine. What we are facing is totally different. Here, we have people who are well organized to erase the existence of Eritrea, and they are riding the emotions of our people. It is real, it is present.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Mahmud,

            Ok, I got you.

            FS.

          • Gud

            Fnote S
            Doing your trade mark gobo gobo when it comes to Ethiopia. Talk straight man. Are you trying to tell us you are one of those who believe Eritrean to unite with Ethiopia (For the better of Eritrea, according to you. …….Fighting a yawn here….) ?
            Man up and talk straight for a change ato Fnote. Always dancing gobo gobo….

          • Fnote Selam

            ዝ ዓርከይ፣

            ኣበይ ኣለኺ ዘይበልዋስ፣ ኣብዚ ኣለኹ ትብል፣ ኮይኑ ናትካ ነገር።

          • Fnote Selam

            Dear Moderator,

            ‘ዝ ዓርከይ’ is one of the best salutation out there…..

          • PTS

            Dear mod,
            Please use the reminder sparingly.

          • saay7

            Hey Mahmouday:

            A long-time reader who is joining Awate Forum (user name: Gogo) has asked where the application form is for the Truth-bound Society (TBS.) Also is there a fee, reference letter requirement, bylaws and how often does the society meet. Oh, if the TBS Chairman refuses to hold meetings, is collecting signatures allowed?

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hi SAAY
            Welcome Gogo; TBS has an open enrollment policy. All that is required is to say the truth nothing but the truth. We don’t need navigational devices, we just watch the two signposts: PFDJista and Andenetista and cruise along. SAAY was supposed to be the director but it looks he has followed the example of Speaker Boehner. And also, for the time being no swords please. If in case members start collecting recall signatures, we don’t just dismiss them by one sentence:ትጋገዩ ኣለኹም (wink, wink) but send our seasoned conflict manager Fanti Ghana. So welcome. The outlook is promising.

          • saay7

            Haha Mahmuday:

            Wait, you modified our bylaws single-handedly. If all that is required “truth nothing but the truth”, why do we need signpost? What if PFDJist and Andenista are truthful about something? Hmmmm?

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan SAAY
            Haha…did I change the bylaw, well it could be that lingering culture of…that’s why Amanuel says dismantle the system. You see without dismantling it and sterilizing everything, you will suffer momentary lapses.
            OK, on the truth but nothing but the truth, I have replied to FS, and TBS has no problem with people who promote their agenda openly. The truth? Hmmm. It is just what the judge said is true. In this case what TBS believes to be true will be true to it until such a time there is a chance of crosschecking. Therefore, all parties have the right to call truth things that TBS find to be untrue. Very democratic. Aren’t we.

          • Gogo

            Dear Sal, Mahmud and the whole Awate family,
            I am enormously delighted of the offer of place in this prestigious, truth-bound, balanced, yeah-to- Eritrea-in spite of-everything saying, light-hearted society. As Sal said, i have been a long-time avid reader of Awate from inside Eritrea. For me and many of my friends Awate has been a place where we, like devout pilgrims, visit daily, learn a great deal and get inspired. Now outside my country for sometime, i will make good of the freedom and the connection available to join the forum and contribute to the ongoing discussion here.

            Gogo

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Gogo
            Welcome, I’m sure you will feel at home. Again, welcome.

          • Gogo

            Dear Mahmuday,
            Thank you. I appreciate. For a start i will drop one or two comments on the Manichean world aya Semere has drawn after I manage to see through his beautiful, albeit rhetorical, prose.

            Gogo

          • Yohannes

            Hi Mahmuday,

            Which of the opposition groups are you refering as ‘Andnetistas’? Is it from their official stand or the tone of their voice that you have come to put them in that class? Or are we talking about certain individuals who call themselves justice seekers and are barking whatever comes in to their head? Just curious. Coz I haven’t come across any opposition which declares that they are fighting for ‘Andinet’ if there is any ‘fighting’.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Yohannes, thank you. I was also going to ask this question as I didn’t come across any Eritrean party that stands for Unity with Ethiopia.

          • dawit

            Hi, Kokobay,
            How about PIA, he stands for Unity with Ethiopia ok (confederation, step by step unity) if EPRDF is removed. He had signed various memorandums of understandings, except Meles converted them to ‘Memorandums of Misunderstandings’.
            Cheers

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Dawitom,
            I think both Mahmuday and yohannes are talking about opposition parties. the case of IA is different subject. IA is ready to do it but if he will be the king of both nations.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            Why would Isaias want the EPRDF to be removed? For better or worse, the EPRDF issue should be left to the Ethiopians.

            In fact, this desire of Isaias in particular, and his posturings pretending to be a regional superpower in general is the root of many problems. He has a superpower syndrome, which is triggered by a deep seated inferiority complex. The border issue is simply a red-herring or a minor foot-note, if one may call it.

          • dawit

            Dear Music Novice,
            The answer is simple because EPRDF want to change the PFDJ and Isaias. Now if he didn’t attend graduation ceremony is a proof of inferiority problem. I am not psychologist may be if you are, then please explain it to me.

          • Music Novice

            Greetings dawit,

            The EPRDF trying to oust Isaias is wrong.

            On skipping University of Asmara graduation ceremony, what else could explain this consistent behaviour of the president of Eritrea, who was also Chancellor of the University? He seems to be uncomfortable addressing the staff and students of a higher institution of learning of the country. Why?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Yohannes,

            That is simply blackmailing. There is no opposition group for Andnet. You question is right on. Mahmuday has to answer this candidly.

            regards,

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hi Yohannes and Emma
            Thanks Yohannes. I said groups and individuals. Individuals could be seen even here in this forum, they are writing articles, pal-talking…etc. Groups are present on facebook and chatter rooms. Of course, I don’t have organizations that operate officially on Amdnet programs.And I don’t think we will soon see organizations by the names Democratic movement of so and so for Andenet; or The Andenet Peples Democratic Movement….

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday

            Your critique simply sound and refers to those on the opposite of your argument. If you want straighten on your critique without generalizing it , and direct to specific individuals and groups who are in your judgement andenetawian.

            If there are, it is a view. So what we have to do is to win over their views with tenacity and proofs. Try to win over ideas than Over personalities. Because it is good precedence for future how to handle our difference in the contours of our politics.

            Regards

        • haileTG

          Hi Ted,

          ኤህ ደኣ ንዓኻ’ስ! እንታይ ክትረክብ ወደይ ን ማሕሙዳይ ኣጋጊኻ:) Mahmuday is an honest and upstanding man of his generation. True, he might be angry at some quarters right now, but he means well and frankly he has paid the damn price to have the right to be angry (unlike you, me and many others). Your limiting the notion of patriotism about Eritrea to Ethiopia alone shows that you don’t have the proper handle of what patriotism is all about. What is more, patriotism testing machine hasn’t been invented yet, hence to trust you to tell us who is a patriot and who isn’t is a tough sell ( I know you’d say you and your few buddies are the only patriots to have ever walked alive since creation:) Supremacy of the Law is the bases for combating extremism from whomsoever side. Patriotism has many facets and manifestations, limiting it to your narrow political perspective is unpatriotic in essence.

          • Ted

            Hi hTG, the only openly unpatriotic person i know here is Mizan or whatever name he has now, So, even our Good friend Semere . weyane lover, is as patriotic as they come. It would be a great lose to patriotic Eritreans if you happen to be Andenet lover. Please don’t let it be.

          • V.F.

            Ted, thank you for recognizing my stand. I am a very proud unpatriotic Eritrean. We will see where you belligerent war-mongers will get with Mahmoud Saleh leading your pact. anta wediya men eyu kimotelkum hijike??? I will say it again here for you – to preserve my people’s identity, I hope to one day see them being united with Ethiopia and be on top of it. How much wealth did your family amass in Addis while you were growing up until you stupidly pissed off the Weyane? Now look where you are? I am have never seen a reasonable Amche. You guys are all Ethio haters because you were deprived off of your comfortable life because zibelaelkumlu tsahli sleziseberkum, most of you anyway. Some where deported unfairly and that is where I would have liked to talk with PMMZ face to face.

            I could not careless for the land bordered by Eritrea but I care about the people more than any of you shady patriotic people here. If every Eritrean left the country and lived comfortably and peacefully elsewhere, I would have laid my struggle to rest and live happily ever after. If likewise, Eritreans joined Ethiopia and lived happily ever after, that would also conclude my struggle. It is all about the people. They deserve to be treated like human beings and look out for themselves for once rather than for you filthy diaspora belligerents.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear V.F.

            are you Mizan? it seems to me you are as Ted only mention Mizan and you reply to him. And your reply reminds me when Mizan some time reply emotionally. although he is bright and reasonable guy but sometime he writes things like you have done above. I think you should think once again and rewrite correcting the above.or just relax for now and write some time after having good moment. it is an advice from your brother. I have corrected Mizan once also and he has totally accepted it before.

          • V.F.

            Dear KS, yes I am Mizan. Amanuel Hidrat said I wasn’t worthy of the nickname he gave me so I changed to Volte Face (VF).

          • Ted

            Hi Mizan, you love Eritreans(people) so much want them to jump from the frying pan to the fire. If you think Amechie( the was privileged Eritreans in Ethiopia) are holding you back, probably, it is because they know a thing or two about Ethiopia-the people, the land and politics. Your logic doesn’t add up as to why we( Amechi) are not for Andinet. If we were to be angry about the deportation, we would been angry at PFDJ not Ethiopia for not rolling over or kneel down for the demands of your trustee TPLF.Why not ?in your twisted logic it is about comfort and wealth. I don’t know what KS told you in the past but it helps for your own sanity “just relax for now and write some time after having good moment”

          • V.F.

            Hey tedi. Nobody is asking you to embrace andinet. But you do have an illogical dislike or even hate of the Ethiopian people, that’s leading you to an aggressive and warmonger behavior. You are prescribing the extinction of the Eritrean people. How we live peacefully with Ethiopian needs to be addressed first and foremost. Without a reasonable and acceptable strategy, your dream of converting Eritrea to Singapore will not materialize. The ethios can sabotage any of your plans at will. Better to figure it out sooner than later. My strategy is to join them and ascend in power and affluence.

          • Pass the salt

            Hello V.F.
            Even in the face of untold hardship, I can confidently assert that the idea of joining Ethiopia is a non-starter virtually for all Eritreans. If there was any appeal at all, why is not a SINGLE of the mushrooming opposition groups advocating for it?
            Your strategy is dead on arrival buddy. Better use your time discussing more pressing and realistic topics.

          • V.F.

            PTS, at the moment, there is a growing movement of people who are reconsidering what we have. As I keep saying, it’s not a legal matter. It’s what’s best for the people. Talk of union has been a taboo since the 1960s but now there are a lot of Eritreans openly advocating for reengineerimg and looking back. The movement is bigger than you think. Once it’s tabooness ends, it will catch fire and take you all patriots by surprise.

          • saay7

            Selamat V.F.

            Are you and the “movement” you mentioned members of Eritrea’s Afar nationality? If you are, Ethiopia may reciprocate and show you some love because you sit on prime real estate called “Assab.” If you are not, they are not interested. I care about you and I am trying to spare you a lifetime of agony.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            MarHaba HTG
            How about taking patriotism further.
            meaning: Dictionaries will define patriotism as love for, devotion to, feeling to, attachment to someone’s country/flag. This could be expressed in different forms. For example:
            – A sense of duty that propels one to defend his/her country based on constitutionally enforced duties or emotional attachment…
            Example: someone who would stand against IA in 1998 to
            a/ not start the war before exhausting all other means
            b/withdraw per the Rwanda/USA plan…that would be an act of patriotism emanating from someone’s love of her/his country, which is trying to avoid potential greater human and property loss…
            b/ However, it would be patriotic to defend Eritrea once It was clear that Ethiopian intention was not merely restricted to reclaiming swaths it had lost; or once Ethiopian war machine continued its push after Eritrea accepted the peace proposal
            – Other forms of patriotism: fighting for the supremacy of law including human and democratic rights…
            – That national love and pride could be manifested by deploying one’s achievements and gifts into things that make his country proud such as arts and sports, science, etc: Malian musicians put their country on the map through music; Eritrean athletes are making history…Eritreans were dedicating their time to go to Eritrea and serve (since ghedli time; I know, this area has been hurt by PFDJ policies)…
            So the key here is love, devotion and emotional attachment to the country we call Eritrea (its people, state and territory). Some may say “Oh, well, we love only our people…” They openly tell you they don’t care about the land or the state. And they want to propose they are equally patriotic. That’s where the fallacy lies. That’s why they blur the significance of the territory and border saying “our cousins…brothers….”
            Haylat, the reason why you are so much into it is because you love your country. The fact why you have told us you are ready to pay the ultimate price to see an Eritrea where the rule of la reigns is because you have emotional attachment with the entity we call Eritrea. Therefore, I am specific about this and no one should feel attacked. Anyone who is fighting for the betterment of Eritrea is a patriot. and there are many patriots inside Eritrea. Anyone who is in this fight because they see chances and cracks to undermine Eritrea are not patriots…
            disclaimer: This is just a passing opinion not a well thought after view.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Mahmuday,

            Why should I need dictionary to tell me what patriotism is when I am speaking to a man who spent his prime time living it and sacrificing for it Mahmuday? You are a living example of it and hence we can agree to put away the dictionary brother. Saying that however, let me put frankly some of my takes on the subject.

            Imagine that we can outline corruption, what it means and how it impacts the well being of a country. We can then turn to the G15 to remember that many were accused of corruption and made to disappear. The problem here isn’t with the definition of corruption per se but with way the issue can be manipulated to violate the rights of citizens with impunity. Very disastrous in this case (G15). Knowing corruption is bad shouldn’t translate into validating the allegations of corruption against “innocent until proven guilty” citizens.

            Now we can turn to patriotism. As a society we have proven beyond doubt to be patriotic in the search for independence. Unfortunately, the regime cashed in into the old poisoned blood between Ethiopia and Eritrea to bring Eritrea down to its knee. Virtually ALL violation meted out on the people is justified on the pretext of “Ethiopia” and virtually ALL just resistance against the horrific injuries of the victims is drowned by “Ethiopia”. The fraudulent use of such manipulation by the regime on the subject means that there are tremendous number of victims who have been brutalized with impunity on such grounds. So you can understand where the backlash is coming from. If there is an Eritrean wishing to pitch for unification with Ethiopia (assuming the Ethiopians are willing to have them) will still need to go through valid legal procedures (preferably parliament) to dissolve Eritrean independence, hammer out terms of unification, take along 5 million people with them, hand over the country and finalize the deal through UN formalities. Obviously that would be foolish to imagine based on the reality of Ethiopia and Eritrea at this time.

            To center the current politics around the threat to independence based on perceived desires of disenfranchised individuals is risky. Major crimes are unleashed, as we speak, upon the innocent people of Eritrea under the PFDJ forgery of threat from Ethiopia. It is difficult to ascertain that one has valid case when they are accusing someone else of being unpatriotic without due care. The real issue of the matter in that case was the focal point of discussions few years ago when YG was writing on viability of the Eritrean nation state. Today, that is behind us, but as our condition deteriorate, we sure are going to face more challenging issues that would test us bitterly. PFDJ’s manipulative narrative patriotism as a holy place founded atop mount Badime need to be demonstrably distanced from when citizens are dealt similar cards based on their pronouncements. Eritrea should be much bigger than that, much secure than that and definitely much genuine than that.

            We don’t know the motives of individuals when they stoke provocative sentiments as going back on independence, annulling the covenant that founded the nation if their demands aren’t met, or even outright attack of one section of the population pretending to be spokespersons of the other. But insisting on the supremacy of the law and prioritizing the task of getting there first is a better approach than engaging a haphazard battle. I personally finally broke all ranks with the regime upon the realization that its fraudulent “Ethiopia card” had played me for a fool. A regret that is hard to rectify, if ever. It took tremendous losses of irreplaceable people, opportunity and virtually everything I once valued, to get me to wake up to that sick blood game. As a result, when such issue of Ethiopia is raised, it triggers flashbacks of that loss, that foolishness and that immaturity of mine that allowed PFDJ to play me like that. It may or may not be too late now, but sadly I don’t associate playing that card with any good feeling in me.

            I don’t believe anyone can impose on Eritreans what they have already managed to dislodge. However, at the very least, I expect a greater degree of realism when such issues as patriotism are framed in the current political context.

            With Respect

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear HTG
            ይበል ዘረባን ሓሳብን። ብልክዕ ተረዲአካ ኣለኹ። ነዛ ጉዳይ ክጸቕጠላ ዘገደዱኒ ነገራት ኣለዉ’ምበር ኣተሓሕዛይን ኣረዳድኣይን ካብዚ ናትካ ዝፍለ ኣይነበረን ሕጂ እውን ብዙሕ ዝፍለ ኣይኮነን። ኣብዘን ዝሓለፋ ወርሓት ኣቓልቦይ ክስሕባ ዝኸኣላ ምዕባለታት ነይረን። ኣብ ጽሑፋት፡ሰሚናራትን ውልቃዊ ርክባትን ነብሰ-ፍተሻን ዝተመርኮሰ እዩ። እቲ ቀላሲ ነገር ግን ኣብዛ ትስዕብ ሕቶ ክጠቓለል ይኽእል።
            1. ኩላትና ለውጢ ንብል ኣለና። ብልክዕ እንታይ ዓይነት ለውጢ ኢና ንጽበ ዘለና?
            ክሳብ ሕጂ ሓባራዊ መረዳእታ ዝተበጽሖ መልክዕ ናይ ለውጢ ኣሎ’ዶ? ሰመረ ተስፋይ ዘምጸኣን ዝደጋግማን ነገር ኣላ። ብሓው ባያን ናጋሽ እውን ተደፊኡላ ነይሩ። ክልቲኦም ኣብ መንጎ ብሄረ ትግርኛ ብሓደ ወገን፡ ኣብ መንጎ እተን ካልኦት ብሔራት ድማ በቲ ካልእ ዘይዕረቕ ዝመስል ቃልሲ ከምዘሎ ወይ ክስዕብ ከምዝኾነ ወይ እውን እቲ ናይ ምትሕስሳብን ምምቕራሕን ናይ ጻጋታት ይኹን ስልጣን በዚ ናይ ምትፍናን መልክዕ ክረአ ከምዝኽእል ዘመልክት ርኢቶታት የምጸኡ። እዚ ኣቀራርባ’ዚ ብመሰረቱ ክርደኣኒ ኣይክእልን። በብግዚኡ እውን ብመልክዕ ርኢቶ ክጽሕፈሉ ጸኒሐ። ብመሰረት ኣቀራርበኦም እንተ ኾይኑ፡ ንለውጢ ክነተግብር ዝይኮነስ ናብ ለውጢ ክንብገስ ክደፋፍእ ዘኽእል ሃዋሁ እውን የለን ማለት እዩ። እንታይ ማለተይ እዩ፡ እቲ ኣምር ናይ ለውጢ ይኹን ክመጽእ እንጽበዮ ዓይነት ለውጥን ‘ኮ ምስ እንላዘብን እንመኻኸርን ኣብ መስርሕ እዩ ክምዕብልን ክበስልን ዝኽእል። ስለ’ዚ ገና ምንቕ ከይበልና ብዛዕባ ዓበይቲ ሕቶታት፡ ገሊኡ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ብወከልቱ ክውስኖ ዝኽእል ኢና ከም መፈላለዪና ንቖጽሮም ዘለና። ስለ’ዚ እዚ ብሄራዊ/ሃይማኖታዊ መልክዕ ዝሓዘ ኣቀራርባ ብጣዕሚ ጎዳኢ እንዳኾነ ይመጽእ ኣሎ። የሰክፈኒ እዩ ድማ። ምኽንያቱ ገሊኡ ለውጢ ክብል እንከሎ ብሃገርለኸ ወይ ሃገር-ዓመም ይሓስብ። ገሊኡ ድማ ኣብ ክልላዊ ወይ ንኡስ ኣጀንዳታት- limited agendas such as ethnic specific demands (ትሕተ-ሃገራዊ ትብል ቃል ኣይፈትዋን እየ) ዝአተኮረ ይኸውን ኣሎ ‘ሞ ኣቦዳስ ኣብዘይብሉ ጓይላ እቲ ጣቕዒት ኣይሰምርን ዘሎ። እዞም ኣሕዋት ፍታሕ ዝደልዩ ምዃኖምን ንኤርትራ ትሕተይ ዝሓስቡላ ዘይምዃኖም ግን ከስምረሉ እደሊ። እቲ ጸገም ዝኸውን ዘሎ ግን ጠርናፊ ወይ ኣወሃሃዲ ማእከል ወይ ውድብ ኣብ ዘይብሉ ባይታ ነፍሰ-ወከፍና ይኽወን ዝበልናዮ ንብል’ሎና። ምክብባርን ምቅርራብን ኣብ ዝጎደለሉ እዋን ድማ ከምዚ ዝኣመሰለ ርኢቶታት መቀራረቢ ዘይኮነስ መተፋነንን መቐሓሓርን ይኸውን። ኣብ መወዳእታ እቲ ዝጉዳእ ጉዕዞ ለውጢ እዩ። ህግድፍ ድማ ነዚ ይምዝምዞ ኣሎ። እዚ ኣዝዩ የተሓሳስበኒ እዩ። እቲ ቃልሲ ብመንጽር ውጹዕ ኣንጻር ውጹዕ ክኸውን የብሉን። ሓደ ዓማጺ ስርዓት ኣሎ። ዝተረፈ ህዝቢ ኩሉ ንለውጢ ቅሩብ እዩ። እዚ ከም ምርጋጽ መሰል ካልኦት ክረአ የብሉን። ምኽንያቱ ሎሚ ሓደ ረጋጺ ጥራይ እዩ ዘሎ ንሱ ድማ እቲ ስርዓት እዩ።
            2. እቲ ካልእ ናይ ኣንድነት ቀሊል እዩ። ዝያዳ ዘተኮርኩሉ ህግድፍ መሳርሒ ይገብሮን ንህዝብና የሰንብድን ስለዘሎ ጥራይ እዩ እምበር ኤርትራ ፈርከሽከሽ ከብል ዓቕሚ ስለዘለዎ ኣይኮነን። ዝያዳ ዘገድሰኒ ድማ ኣብ ምጕታት ናይዚ ጉዕዞ ዘለዎ ጽልዋ ጥራይ እዩ።
            3. ሓርበኝነት፡ ኣረዳድኣና ብዙሕ ኣይፍለን። ንክልቲኡ ጥሩፍ ወገናት ክነቕፍን ከምዝጸናሕኩ ትርደኣላይ ክትከውን በዓል ተስፋ እየ። ህግድፍ ዘጎሃህሮ ተበላጽን ሕሱርን ፕሮፓጋንዳ ናይ ሓርበኝነት በቲ ሓደ ወገን፡ ብኣንጻሩ ድማ ብኣንድነታውያን ይኹን ካልኦት ኣካለ-ጎደሎ ኤርትራ ጥራይ እትረኣዮም ወገናት ዝስንዘር ዘሎ ርቡጽ ዝመስል ርኢቶታት ነቲ ቅኑዕ ድሌትን ጻዕርን ሃገራውያን ይፍሕቖ ኣሎ። እዚ እውን ዘተሓሳስብ እዩ። በቲ ይኹን በዚ፡ ኣነ በቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ደለይቲ ፍትሒ ዘለዎም ጽልዋታት እየ ዝስከፈሎም እምበር ኣብ ምሽርሻር መሰል ካልኦት የለኹን። ጉልባቦም ቀሊዖም ምስ ደለይቲ ህትሒ ብዘየጋጊ መልክዕ ኣጀንደኦም ከሰላስሉ ይኽእሉ። ኣብኡ ጸገም የብለይን። ግን ከም ኣፈኛታት ደለይቲ ፍትሒ መሲሎም ስለዝረኣዩ ኣሉታዊ ጽልዋ ኣለዎም። ሎሚ ብቕንዕና ንሃገሩ ከመሓይሽ፡ ነዚ ንርእዮ ዘለና ህልቂት መንእሰያትና ክገትእ ዘኽእል ሓሳብት ዘቕርብ ይኹን ጻዕርታት ዝገብር ኩሉ ሓርበኛዊ እዩ። ንሃገሩን ህዝቡን ስለዘፍቅር እዩ ግዚኡን ጉልበቱን ሃሙን ዝውፊ ዘሎ። እዚ ካብ ፍቕሪ ሃገር ዝነቅል እዩ።
            ካልእ ናይ ንቕሓት ጉዳይ እዩ። ዜጋታት ክነቕሑ ኣለዎም። መዓስ እዮም ኣብ ጎኒ መንግስቶም ጠጠው ዝብሉን መዓስ እዮም ድማ ኣንጻር መንግስቶም ዝገጥሙን ክፈልጡ ኣለዎም። እታ ዝጀመርናያ ዘተ ናይ ሓርበኝነት በዚ ኣንጻር ክትርእያ እላቦ። ተጸጊምካ ተረዲእካኒ ክትከውን እትስፎ።

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Mahmuday,

            I have substantial agreements on what you’ve outlined here. I am sure we agree that such distractions (Unification) are here to confuse people and derail their natural tendency to stand against the violations of rights and challenge the unlawful practices of the regime. We do need to be alert that we do not know the exact source/s of such campaigns. In any case, Ethiopia issues are external issues and are of very little concern in real terms, unless internal matters gives way in a manner that reverses Eritrea’s hard won independence. The chief architect of Eritrea’s destabilization at this time is PFDj and its misguided and unlawful activities. By subjecting the country to permanent isolation, employing draconian measures to stifle normalcy of the citizens there, waging confrontational propaganda of war and conflict,,, the regime is doing everything to create a hard to contain situation once things progressively get out of hand.

            Now to the point of what Semere T brought and that Beyan also discussed recently before I tie the two (the above and this part) together in the last paragraph. The ethnic and religious harmony of the country can indeed be exploited and used to ignite conflict. That is an internal matter and has greater influence than any external/cross boarder issues. In fairness, the ethnic issue might be easier to handle as compared to the religious issue. The ethnic issue is primarily internal and realistically speaking less likely to spin outside the boarder. The existence of kinsmen across the boarder (as is in Tigrignas, Kunamas, Beja, Afar, Saho…) may even have positive implications in the longer run, i.e. under constitutional government. Religion is problematic, transnational and constantly expanding in the nature of divisions it creates. This is Eritrea’s permanent assignment that will straddle generations. Are we going to stumble on a conflict? Are we going to chart an exemplary path of peace and harmony? Are we going to forge enough bond and trust to pull together? We hope, but one wouldn’t pretend all is rosy ahead.

            In both cases, i.e. the Ethiopia card and the internal issues of divisive politics, it requires confident citizens. Confidence in the manner of thinking and acting. What the regime accomplished since its disappearance of G15 is to kill of the confidence of the Eritrean people. That was the last time Eritreans spoke before the having to flee the country, that was the last time Eritreans attempted to have a different opinion and express it openly. After that time, the hooligan rule of the regime killed, maimed, disappeared and drove out the citizens in a bid to desperately hold on to power that it is not entrusted with legitimately. The sudden savagery that was unleashed on the people, laced with heavy doses of conflict propaganda, is now bearing its fruit for everyone to see. As the regime gets cornered tightly, it gets too desperate and ratchets up the conflict frenzy (particularly Ethiopia). Hence, the conflict environment creates tense atmosphere that is anything but healthy in dose of confidence. There are Ethiopians who wish unification with Eritrea, as there are Ethiopians who don’t wish unification with Eritrea. I don’t think any one side of them going to impose its will to the point of derailing their pressing issues of the home front. Such mega projects of dissolving national boundaries and sovereignty are way beyond the reach of few interested individuals. It is a war or peace issue, complex and fundamental. Because an Ethiopian wanted unification and we feel that it will not work for us at this time or an Eritrean wishing unification and the Ethiopians feeling that it wouldn’t work for them at this time, is identical in essence, there is no reason for one side to feel overly threatened to the point of paralysis. Confident and rational heads should rule. However, the internal dangers are theoretically there although it is hard to assess how they will play out because we have not managed to bring the different sides together and see eye to eye on challenges and opportunities. That also requires confident thinking, one that is marked by sense of ownership and duty for service.

            Finally, I believe Eritreans knew when to stand with “their” government long ago. In fact, they made it an envy of others in the way they managed. We have a regime and its supporters who don’t know when to stand with their people. The notion of confident thinking is alien to them because of the very nature of the regime they serve. Their confidence is in slandering, ridiculing, harassing justice seekers akin to what teenagers did in the old days to put down one another. The game is called ኣቃላል or ማስያ often youngsters grow out of it with time. The supporters however, are under stress and terrified inside and give way to relapse into childhood mode of operating 🙂

            Cheers

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Ted,
          Your comment warrants “I wish I said that.” Brief and to the point.

        • Maekebay

          Hi Ted,

          You have “generously” revealed to me to follow “General Mola”. But here is the catch 22: I am an Eritrean who owns an equal share of Eritrea, and I have the right to either keep it, sell it, or merge it with any other internal or external shares. Will you have the courage to venture outside this virtual box that you are caged in and put your life on the line in order to expropriate my share of Eritrea? Will you try to kill me or make me persona non grata?

          I have seen enough of the suffering of my people under the ruthless ghedli and the PFDJ janta. My ideology is “people first” and not the barren land. If you think that earns me to be called “an Andnet”, I accept it very proudly.

          One more thing. Please don’t get carried away by the phony patriotism of the ghedeli romanticizers. Most of them had abandoned/deserted ghedli in its difficult times and cannot be more patriotic than the rest of us.

          Maekebay

          • Ted

            Hi Maekebay, Who is in catch 22 here. We are: those who want to keep a country going under unfair Gov. Lucky you, you have a back up country to call home.
            It is strange to see the lamest term “”ghedeli romanticizers” repeated so often by some people. Ghedli is not a mythical character or bed time story The Great Mahamuday told us. It was the living and breathing occurrence all Eritreans Experienced and loved.

          • Maekebay

            Hi Ted,

            Can you please answer my question: Will you have the courage to venture outside this virtual box that you are caged in and put your life on the line in order to expropriate my share of Eritrea? Will you try to kill me or make me persona non grata?

            As to the story of ghedli, you don’t have to hear it as a bed time story from “The Great Mahmuday”. I had known and served the barbaric ghedli long before he left his herd of camels and joined Shaebia.

            Maekebay

          • Music Novice

            Greetings Maekeby,

            Considering the fact that the border issue is a red-herring, it seems that Maekeby is more patriotic, as his stand is people oriented.

            On the other hand, those who take PFDJ to be identical with Eritrea are only disguising their anti-democratic tendencies with pseudo-patriotism.

          • Shum

            Hello Maekebay,

            You said, regarding Mahmud, “I had known and served the barbaric ghedli long before he left his herd of camels and joined Shaebia.” Mahmud was a camel herder? That’s news to me. Mahmud, is this true?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Shum:
            Our proble mare not the unionist, but the bigots like Maekebay to them every Mahmud is a camel herded every Fatna a child bride

          • Shum

            Selam Semere,

            Allow me first to commend you for your writing skills on your latest article. I hope to see more from you. Maekebay’s bigotry is something I’ve heard from both sides of the Mereb. We’ll continue to have this until people realize inherited qualities (ethnicity, religion, Adi) are not an advantage, achievement nor a hurdle or blemish. As mentioned to Saleh, I just wanted him to come out and say it with conviction what he meant.

            As for Ghedli and unification, I have to be honest, I think we spent way too much time talking about it as if they are the most pressing issues of our day. I don’t think anyone is a fan of Ghedli for the sake of it. I think folks labeled romantics about it are saying, it’s our shared legacy and it was the last option available to us after the intellectual and process approaches failed. Secondly, correct me if I’m wrong, but the indigenous populations are typically not the ones asked to explain themselves. It’s usually the occupying army, the big f***ing pink elephant in the room. And this elephant was no plush doll. It had sharpened tusks of steel, bombs and resolve.

            But that’s what disturbs me about the discussion of our Ghedli. It’s as if, there were no factors that pushed us to it. We just wanted it for the sake of it. It’s ludicrous. Or worse, Arabs controlled it, even though we didn’t have any Arab fighters participate. If Egypt was controlling it, why didn’t they come in when they saw us winning to plant a mission accomplished flag on our soil and make Eritrea a province of Egypt. Hate to remind our southern neighbors, it was Dergue and HSI who had others fighting for them and arming them. Does anyone accuse them of being controlled and manipulated by the US, Brits, Cubans, Russians, etc. to bomb their own people. So, I won’t spend another minute defending it.

            Any Eritrean citizen has a right to raise unification, federation, Ethiopian intervention (which most people call invasion). I just don’t think they resolve our issues. We have a mess in our hands created by us and no external solutions can resolve them. None of this stuff would happen if we had the idea of an Eritrean citizenry with the right institutions of government. How do we get there? I want to hear that discussion more is all I’m saying. The rest is entertainment.

          • Saleh Johar

            Shum, you know what Sehab Gemel means in the vocabulary of the Maekebay crowd! He is just remaining true to his Andenet legacy, and some people think Eritreans hate Andenet for its political view–it never had a political view but a bigoted character.

          • Shum

            Selam Ato Saleh,

            Yes, indeed. I just wanted Maekebay to come out and say it. I love the drama and theatrics of it all for these advocates. Here’s a pattern i see

            1. Advocate something stupid or silly. Deny when others challenge it or expose true intentions.
            2. Victimize themselves in the forum. “I know I’m in the minority…”, “You Ghedli Romantics…”, “If you guys were in power, would you…”
            3. Confirm what others had suspected their true intentions the whole time.
            4. Advocate in full force their true intentions. This becomes the beginning of the end of their stupid ideas.

            Go back and read Mizaan. I guarantee you he was denying himself originally when people sensed he was expressing unification as his goal. The stupidity in his advocacy is not the idea itself, it’s how he sold it and himself in the process. Sad.

            On Maekebay,I’ve heard this stuff all before. I know how Christians talk about Muslims behind closed doors. I always wondered what Muslims say behind closed doors. I’ve heard it from Ethiopian Muslims*, but not Eritreans.

            * Don’t ask me how and why, but I have that face and disposition that makes people open up to me.

          • Saleh Johar

            Shum,
            I will volunteer one Muslim gossip related to the line of Maekebay: “when will they stop threatening us with the support of Ethiopia that is always behind them?” “When will the few extremist Habeshas recognize we are equal stakeholders.” The biggest problem I see with the Muslims is they are so worried they tend to generalize and define the rest by the few bad apples. That’s the challenge we need to remedy. Otherwise, the fringe Andenet were there, they are here, and they will be around. My hope is that they do not drag Eritrea to another cycle of violence like they did before.

          • Fnote Selam

            Shum,

            The ironic thing is Maekebay chose to attack one of the reasonable people (on either side) with the potential to be a catalyst for harmonious living among Eris and even between Eris and Ethios. The intention is obvious, glad Mahmuday didnt get dragged into it.

            FS.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam sum
            The short answer is ” So what if I was a camels herder?”Sumaay, all it shows you is a person of a very disturbed mind. The Great Eritrean Revolution had rallied doctors, engineers, farmers, animal herders, city and rural dwellers…men and women.

  • Ayneta

    Dear Semere:
    Brilliant display of the present situation and future trajectory. Elegant style of writing too.It think you should elevate yourself from the commentary section to writing more full articles. I see hope in you.
    I definitely want to see the alien culture/identity that PFDJ has been tying to impose on our people discarded completely. Eritrea with even the slightest taint of PFDJ is more likely to continue the current trajectory. So the embryo will have to be cultivated with new sets of culture, perspective and overall reality.

  • saay7

    Hi Cousin:

    Aha! It is the return of the parallel construction prose that cousin iSem is famous for. I was going to say that the description of PFDJ Eritrea is longer than the description of the anti-PFDJ Eritrea. But I know why (writers block?) so I will let it go.

    While the piece accurately captures the dialogue of the citizen, there are two sentences that I have a problem with. And I suspect you know what those are, which is why this epic struggle between good and bad has remained an internal dialogue of a citizen.

    Very well written piece. Strong she is, iSem’s muse.

    saay

  • karim

    Revolutionary Ethiopia
    Neftegna Ethiopia
    Lowlander /Pan Arab Eritrea
    Neftegna/Kebessa Eritrea

    See the paralleles?
    All the Metahit guys i know hate you kebessa so much 🙂

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Merhaba Samray,

    Wow ! Excellent. You showed us the two Eritrea – the born and the unborn, the darkest Eritrea and the hopeful Eritrea, the Eritrea that repel its youth and the Eritrea that strives to keep its sons and daughters, the magnanimous Eritrea and the hateful Eritrea. You are right the two Eritrea can not coexist for they posses contradictory virtues in the struggle of negation of negation. And yes you are right, the embryonic Eritrea should be “devoid of any of the crucial strains of PFDJ’s Eritrea as this is the anti-theses of the real Eritrea.” I hope your article will prod us to debate on the two Eritrea totally focused into our domestic politics. Thank you “dawit ende libey”.

    Regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

  • aklilu zere

    Dear Semere: Bravo for presenting a concise, precise, economical,true, enlightening and valuable article. Good article from a Good man.

    Regards,