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Eritrea: Ethiopia’s Achilles’ heel–Will PM Abyi Ahmed Succeed in Bringing Peace?

Following the Ethiopian political developments has become a roller coaster for Eritreans. As much as they are impressed by the developments, they are worried about what happens next. Ethiopian politics do influence Eritrea and the entire region greatly.

The recent election of Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed was well received by the people of the Horn of Africa.  His inauguration speech was very calming because he assured the world that his priorities are advancing the causes of peace in the region. He also pledged to resolve the lingering dispute with Eritrea and called for an end to the “years of misunderstandings” expressing his wish that “the Eritrean government to take the same stand.” Immediately, Yemane Gebremeskel, Eritrea’s information minister, responded with a tweet stating “the ball is in the Ethiopian courts.”

We wish Yemane benefited from the speech to engage in a badly needed introspection and retrospection of Eritrea’s past blunders and failed foreign policies instead of a knee-jerk reaction.

No doubt the security and political challenges in the region are enormous. However, as far as Eritrea and Ethiopia are concerned, the un-demarcated border remains a thorny, unresolved issue.

Over the last twenty years, the no-war-no-peace situation between Ethiopia and Eritrea continues to negatively impact the economic and social aspects of most Eritreans, and to a lesser extent that of Ethiopians living along the border areas.

As witnessed, Ethiopia doesn’t seem to have been hampered by the closure of Eritrean ports, and un-demarcated border, Eritrea, however, has been watching idle ports for almost two-decades– Massawa and Assab used to be bustling outlets since the WW2 when many of the other port cities in the region were sleepy seaports. Now both are ghost ports, save for its recent use to cater for the military adventures of the UAE in parts of Assab. Even that has become a hindrance to the local Afari population who depended on the Red Sea shores for trading and fishing throughout the memorable history.

The challenges in the region are great and they require bold actions by the local governments. Adding problems to the already chaotic region doesn’t benefit the long-suffering population of the region.

The Eritrean regime has frozen all meaningful life in the country using the pretext that the border with Ethiopia is not demarcated. It has militarized the nation and the youth have been living in trenches for twenty years, wasting their useful years away due to the scarecrow of the unresolved Eritrean-Ethiopian borders. That excuse fits the Eritrean government very well. It has been buying time and keeping the country under its iron grip. The economy has been and continues to be, a war-economy serving only the regime, its affiliates, and wider network of beneficiaries. The rest of the Eritreans have become prey to the regime’s political recklessness and military adventures.

We wish peace reigns in Ethiopia because a peaceful Ethiopia influences the stability of Eritrea and denies the Eritrean regime the benefit of a pretext that it has overused for almost two decades. It is with that in mind that we encourage the Ethiopian government to demarcate the border.

For years this website has advanced the view that the un-demarcated borders cannot be a reason to keep life in a never-ending standstill because many countries in the region also have un-demarcated, or highly contested border issues. But that has not prevented any of them from having normal relationships with each other. One example is the Egyptian-Sudanese border dispute over the Halaib region, a dispute that has not prevented Sudan and Egypt from having normal relations where people travel and trade freely. It has not prevented the two countries from having diplomatic relations and mutual visitation by officials from the two countries, even when there seemed to be major differences between the two on several issues. That is not lost on the Eritrean regime, but it pretends it doesn’t know about it because the prevailing no-peace-no-war situation serves it well.

As for Ethiopia’s foreign policy, to ensure peace and stability, which Dr. Abiy Ahmed has promised, we hope Ethiopia will, 1) pursue a nonintervention policy in the region and avoid repeating the costly mistake it made by invading Somalia under the pretense of fighting terrorism, 2) not to engage in regional proxy wars, 3) not to encourage regional or international military intervention in the internal affairs of the Horn of Africa, and, 4) to promote and support the cause of democracy and human rights in the region.

It is our wish to see a return to normalcy in Ethiopia, where political disputes are resolved in the courts, where riots become a thing of the past. But that requires creating a free political space for parties and assuring their protection by the law. We hope the EPRDF would expand its base to include sections of Ethiopians who feel disenfranchised or misrepresented. We also hope the Ethiopian opposition would enjoy more political room to advance the interests of their constituencies, though we hope the opposition learns from past debacles that were motivated by the principle of “The Winner Takes It All”.

We truly hope the opposition parties have learned from the past and are willing to keep their struggles peaceful and be ready for a long-haul. Democracy, or perfection of governance and rule of law, is not a wishful thinking that is realized easily. A well-grounded civil society and viable democratic institutions are required to uphold the fruits that such a struggle achieves. Therefore, educating the constituencies on the rights of citizens, and society at large, is an arduous journey. And naturally, nothing can be achieved if the government doesn’t create a conducive environment where democracy and good governance can flourish.

Finally, we realize that every major progress in history, as the one we are witnessing in Ethiopia, is equally matched by regressive forces that try to pursue the impossible task of slowing down the wheels of history. We would be tone deaf not take stock of the lasting impact of the bloody war that left Eritrea and Ethiopia an avoidable death and destruction during the national liberation period, which followed the abrogation the federal system between Eritrea and Ethiopia.  We also would be delusional if we forget  the noisy minority that refuses to accept  Eritrea is an independent state, and still clings on bogus historical claims backed by aggressive postures, to occupy Eritrean shores with the pretext of acquiring  access to the Red Sea as it did during the 2005 Ethiopian election when it adopted an anti-Eritrean platform dangling Assab as red meat to its narrow base.

Another example is the brazen activities by some Diaspora Ethiopians and Eritreans who claim to be promoting friendship between Ethiopia and Eritrea by conducting provocative public seminars and discussing frameworks of federation and confederation between the two countries–such activities of perpetual opposition has become a way of life for some elite from both countries. We believe the leaders of these groups, once a privileged elite of the old feudal regimes, particularly that of Emperor Haile Selassie, are the very same people who stood on the wrong side of history. Their futile attempts represent the final throes of what remains of the feudal autocracy trying to pump life into the chauvinist imperial ambitions by opening old Eritrean wounds. They are undermining the breathtaking change in Ethiopia that they cannot stomach or fathom its depth. We are confident that both people squarely reject these silly ideas that are recycled ideas that have been tried and miserably failed, though it wasted the lives of tens of thousands of people and left both people at the bottom of every human development index in the last sixty years.

Finally, we wish all Ethiopian peace and stability and we wish the new prime minister success in the challenges that lay ahead.

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  • Teodros Alem

    Selam abi
    U right “line of thoughts” make a whole lot of sense when they came from open heart(not from twisted) and truthful people.

  • blink

    Dear all people
    If you are interested about anything
    Look at the data , according to PFDJ data , Eritrea population as of year 2016 is 3.59 m and of all these 1,727,000 are aged from 0-17 .

    http://www.achpr.org/files/sessions/62nd_os/state-reports/1st-1999-2016/achpr_eritrea_initial_report_1999_2016.pd

    • Mez

      Dear blink,

      The link is not working.

    • Amde

      Selam blink,

      Actually what is mind boggling is the 2016 population of 3.5 Mln.

      How can an African country be at 3.5 mln year in yr out for decades?

      Amde

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Amde
        If u remember derg time the population of eritrea was 3.5 millions.
        I think in 1980 e.c census.
        Am not sure the year but shawa. Harare , eritrea was 1 2 3.

        • Amde

          Selam Teodros,

          I think it was in 83/84.

          For years it was 26mln, and then it was 34mln per the 83 census. Was a big to do at the time, and experts were called in on TV to explain themselves.

          And I think you are right Eritrea was reported at 3.5mln then.

          At the current Ethio rate of 2.5%, Eritrea’s should be at least 7mln. and probably higher.

          Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            There was census going on at derg time .It was derg time when the population was 42 m.
            At the end of derg the population was 52 m i think.
            By the way with different topics
            abi or blink and k h complain about ats tewodros hair coming back to ethiopia before ats yohanes head coming from sudan museum.
            Help them up pls.
            What do u think?

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            I have nothing to say about any atse or Haile.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            I didn’t mean exactly u .
            U know kidding.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Cheers

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Me too cheers, and am so happy for the new pm of ethiopia and salute for that.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            What is new about the new PM , his government blocked the purchase of 400,000 ton wheat procurement.The price is soaring and the French companies of such type are looking at it.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            He is open heart
            Not hateful
            He is ethiopian
            And he will fix every mess, and will be elected by the people in 2025, mark my word. With free and fair election.
            He needs time to fix gen samora and getachw first and little by little he will fix the whole out of u.
            And 2020 will be a fairly fake election but he will win 2025 by democratic election.
            He will be the best leader ever in ethiopian history with the help of the smart and proud ethiopians.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Let’s hope your wishes come true ? How is your experience with your wishes? He was in Dijubuti recently, He will be more popular if he screw the Tigrian thugs too. PFDJ are looking at his mirror and think , can he do it ? Ahmm let’s wait

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            Tplf thugs, that should be the right word.what is ahmm? That is only exist u know in narrowizm.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde,

            It seems the Arithmetic should go this way.

            If Ethiopia goes from 25 million to 100 million, Eritrea should go from 3.5 million to 3.5 X 4 to =14 million.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            It should be somewhere around 8 millions.
            When ethiopia was 42 eritrea was 3.5 m and 42 -3.5=38.5
            And eth right now is around 92 m .

          • Kim Hanna

            Teodros Alem,

            In late 60s or early 70s Eritrean population was supposed to be around 3.5 million.
            I don’t know where the info, if Ethiopia was 42 and Eritrea was still at 3. 5 million came from.
            Do you have a gov. census figures?

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            Am talking about derg time census.
            I think it was 1979 e.c.

          • Kim Hanna

            selam Teodros Alem,
            .
            Thanks, I hope Amde and saay read this exchange and discount my exaggerated figures to them.

            Mr. K.H

      • blink

        Dear Amde
        I still wonder too . I may be wrong about small things but if you assume the number of young people (0-17) given in the report they said “ 1727 293 “ and the total population becomes around 3.59 m . They can play the numbers and I still believe they played. Whatever their reason ,I believe their numbers is something hard to believe.

        • Amde

          Selam blink,

          It is possible for counties to have population growth rate just at replacement rates so the absolute number stay flat.

          However, 1.7mln out of 3.59 makes just under 50%of the population is underage (i.e. 0-17) That is I think more representative of a country experiencing a youth bulge. Way above replacement rate.

          The youth count and overall population count cannot be reconciled. My guess is the youth number is closer to correct, but the overall number should be significantly higher, but is being suppressed for whatever reason.

          A control freakish PFDJ probably has verry detailed demographic info. For perspective, World Bank website has about 4.7mln in 2011.

          Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Is there any benefit to the PFDJ to down the number? I mean politically, what could they benefit? If you read the report they specifically pointed out that the youth number in contrast to the overall population.

          • Amde

            Hi blink,

            I think I don’t want Saay to get mad… haha.. this might be the first reported case of pre-discussing an article. But I believe the answer to your question might be in paragraph 5, line 17 of Saay’s upcoming piece. 🙂

            Amde

      • saay7

        Amde:

        Ok, fine. I was writing an article to rebut the government’s belated reply to the African Charter and this is one of my points. It’s not just the number that is amazing, it is (a) how we are learning about it (indirectly, in reply to external stakeholder) and (b) why we are learning about it (because it serves the purpose of the government: to show a high per capital GDP which can come about either by a high numerator of production or low numerator of population.). Alnahda has written that the government is torn between two priorities: showing that the migration number is exaggerated (thus inflate the population at home or do not correct others when they inflate); showing that Eritrea ranks higher in HDI (thus deflate the population at home.) It appears that it has made a choice.

        saay

        • halafi mengedi

          Saay,
          It seems, recently, they have pushed the “almost half ‘Eritrean refuges’ are not actually Eritreans” narrative relentlessly. So, they went with the low pop numbers because they have found a narrative for the other problem.
          hm

          • saay7

            Halaf mengedi:

            This would work if it hadn’t also….wait for the article. You guys are now expediting me 🙂

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Hi saay7 and hm,

            The other narrative which I hope Sal will address in his upcoming article is that:

            a) the youth are fleeing for economic reason
            b) the dire economic situation is due to the no war no peace + the unjust sanction
            c) the no war no peace is still there because of Ethiopia’s failure to accept the verdict
            d) the sanction is a smoke screen not to accept the verdict
            e) both the no war no peace and sanctions area created because of your unbalanced national security strategy that favours Ethiopia

            Conclusion: you are the cause for the causes of the youth’s flight, the youth are economy migrants, the fact that they flock in thousands every year shows that what we [PFDJ] are saying is right.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam ssay,
            .
            I hope Sal addresses some of the d emphasized and neglected points.

            1) Economic and insecurity migration is at all time high.

            2) Child bearing years are wasted due to national service and Gov. policy.

            3) The family structure and tradition is severely damaged.

            4) The PFDJ is sanctioned for harmful and illicit activities.

            5) The PFDJ on purpose uses the U.N sanction and boarder dispute (half the world have that problem) for all its shortcoming and maladministration.
            .
            Mr. K. H

          • Mez

            Dear Saay,

            a tip: 1) in the year 1990, Eritrean population was 3.113million (source world bank).
            2) according to basic statistics if the population growth is 2%, then around the year 2020 the population number will be over 6 millon.
            3) in contrast, if the population growth rate is 3%, then we had the above figure, a couple of years back.

            Thanks

          • Kbrom

            Dear Mez

            Very informative!

            Are we taking into consideration the negative impact of war related variation in Eritrea’s fertility trajectory. What is/was the temporal variations in Eritrea’s socio demographic profile and rate during the war for independence and PFDJ’s endless (of course senseless) National Service. By FR I mean age specific fertility, total fertility and fertility intention.

          • Mez

            Dear Kbrom,

            The figure I gave is a simple computation. It assumes a homogene social process and (substantially) unaltered fundamentals in life style (culture, economic performance and the likes). I have no quantitative figure regarding the demographic impact of war, drought, or other social or natural calamacies. Due to the liberation revolution, and the dynamics after the independence it is close to impossible to do any such (independent) quantitative research back home, unless you explicitly take side with the authorities.

            Thanks

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi halaf mengedi,
            This is important. Who said that and can you share the source please?

          • halafi mengedi

            Saleh,

            Just to be clear I am saying official gov statement. But pfdj supporter all over social media (especially on twitter) and in person, that narrative is the first thing they say when the topic of youth fleeing Eritrea is raised. I think it is coordinated talking point.
            For example, look at this twit

            https://twitter.com/DekiSawa/status/744057497342910464

            hm

        • Amde

          Saay, hm

          For the population to stay flat, assuming 2% otherwise growth rate, it would mean a net emigration of 70,000 per year every year.

          As African countries go, 2% is a very low population growth rate, but with the national service etc, let’s say it is a realistic rate for Eritrea.

          Does 70,000 a year sound unrealistic to you guys?

          Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            70,000 a year and if you take this number 20 years it will be around 1.4 m and that is too high from my side.

          • Amde

            Selam blink,

            What would be a realistic number for you? Annualized?

            I think basically the total population number is being severely suppressed by the PFDJ. That is the only thing that makes sense mathematically.

            Amde

          • halafi mengedi

            AMde
            Not sure about total figures, but I can tell you that of all the youth (roughly 10 years above and below my age) in my neighborhood, easily more than 75% have left.
            hm

      • halafi mengedi

        Amde-
        Another smart move by AAA. Asked Djibouti for a stake/share in current/future port developments. I think Djibouti didn’t see it coming. What do you think Djibouti will ask in return?
        hm

        • Selam halafi m,

          Could this be the beginning of a long lasting love affair between ethiopia and djibouti? Politics is politics, that can change according to the weather or the lining of the stars and planets, but the economy is a different thing, and it creates a strong bond. Ethiopia and djibouti are tied to each other with strong economic interests, which is the foundation of the survival of both countries, and any country for that matter, and the thing that matters most in the future.

          I believe that the powers who are stationed in djibouti would support and bless such rapprochement, which is for the benefit of all, economy and security-wise for djibouti and a secure and guaranteed outlet for ethiopia.

          The known known who do not agree can do nothing anymore, nor the unknown knowns. The geopolitics of the region is changing. It is the economy that matters most and moves the world. Economic development gives a nation its wings to fly. Bye, bye to dignity, identity and all the myths.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Horizon and hm

            Isn’t a state visit and talks on bilateral and regional issues very normal. Help me if I am missing something in here, but what is it a ‘smart move’ and indication of paradigm shift and change of regional geopolitics. I believe in life and especially in politics it is always advisable to see the bigger picture, wait for more information, read the trajectory rather than the single events.

          • Selam Kbrom,

            The ‘smart move’ according to hm was in connection to the PM asking djibouti for a stake/share in current/future port developments, and not the state visit. Nevertheless, the first state visit to djibouti by PMAA shows the importance of the country to ethiopia.

            Personally, i see nothing outside the ordinary if the port of djibouti and the economy in general are the major topics discussed during PMAA’s visit. Economic integration is not a new topic for both countries, and if the ethiopian pm wants to revive it and he thinks that this is the right moment to put on the table ethiopia having a stake/share in port development, what is wrong with that? Ethiopia’s external trade is served mainly by djibouti, and if both countries try to cement this cooperation to a higher level, kudos to both countries for their farsightedness and future high level cooperation.

            The port of djibouti handles 95% of ethiopia’s external trade and it is the lifeline of ethiopia. Ethiopia will have a direct responsibility in defending the tiny country, if necessary, if ethiopia investes in port development and as long as it is ethiopia’s only and main exit to the rest of the world.

            Building this sort of cooperation can not be too early, rather it is too late. It is important to both countries and it strengthens their geopolitical stand.
            Is there a possibility that djibouti will throw away the manna (income from the use of the port by ethiopia) just like that? impossible, in my opinion. Therefore, there is going to be a long term cooperation.

  • Mez

    Dear Abdulworld,

    With or without resolution of the boarder dispute, It will be good to see:
    1) some ease of tension on the boarder (pulling away heavy weapons, reducing of army size,…),
    1.1) I am thinking Ethiopia shall do that unilaterally, even if Eritra is not reducing its army,
    2) normalcy of people’s daily life in the boarder area (probably 25 miles inwards distance both ways),
    3) a trimodal financing to support the economy of the boarder area by the two countries separately, and a third financial pot for combined economic activities across the boarder,
    4) financing of some selected major projects by the two governments, build roads, dams, mining, energy,….
    5) if 3) and 4) are not working, Ethiopia may want to attract capable Eritrean talents and investors (with the same priority and privilege for other neighbouring countries citizens). This way one can take away the foundation of potential animocity and convert adversary attitudes to opportunities,
    6) the no-war-no-peace status is very bad for all. No benefit at all. Just too much expense.
    7) if one just waiting for a political change in Eritrea–like what happened in Ethiopia recently–you may have to wait like a couple of iterations of GDP growth in Eritrea. That is a long time.

    Thanks

  • Kbrom

    Dear Bruno

    As for the situation ‘when they told him he needs to start on delivering instead of pursuing his charm offensive’ I would add one of our popular proverbs ብዕላል ኣይንገስ : ብዀኵዓዳ ኣይሕረስ

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Hope, sorry for my late reply, as I’m a bit ill today, I’m suffering from chronic illnesses, you know these things are normal with us Eritreans these days. The burden is too much both at individual level but, mostly at the national level. I really hope to see Eritrea without DIA, I hope I do not die before DIA:))
    Yeah, I’m a lot hopefull to final peace between the Koreans, as there have been many encouraging developments recently, as opposed to our situation which is the same song for decades, unless the Ethiopians abide by the eebc, let the country go to H***. And I believe most of our problems are man made, not right to blame God, when we are unable to show sympathy towards each other.
    ብፍላይ ናይዞም ኣብ ሃገራት ምዕላብ ዘለዉ ደገፍቲ ህግደፍ ንዓይ ፈጺሙ ኣይርደኣንን ኢዩ። ብዙሕ እዋን እምበር’ዶ ብሓቂ ኤርትራውያን ኢዮም ኢለ ንነብሰይ ይሓትት። እዚ ኩሉ ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዝብና ብስርዓት ኢሳያስ ዝወርድ ዘሎ ናይ ብሃውሪን ኣልማማን ማእሰርቲ፣ መቕተልቲ፣ ምስዋር፣ ሃብቲ ህዝብን ሃገርን ምምንጣልን ምግባትን፣ኣብ ከቢድ ድኽነትን ሕማምን ምሽማም፣ ነቶም ተረከብቲ ሃገር ዝኾኑ መናእሰይ ዓቕሎም ኣጽቢቡ ከም ደቂ ዛግራ ናብ ኩሉ መኣዝናት ዓለምና ፋሕ ከምዝብሉ ዝገብር ስርዓት ከመይ ገይሩ ዘይስቆሮም? ኣብ ክንዲ ያዕ ዝብሉዎ ኣጆኻ ቀጽል ንስኻ ንሕና ክብልዎ፣ ነቲ ኩፉእ መጋብሩ ከጣቕዑሉ ይውዕሉ ኣለዉ። ምስ ከምዚኦም ዝኣልመሰሉ ቅንጣብ ሓልዮት ናይ ኣሕዋቶምን ኣሓቶምን ዘይብሎም ጽባሕ ንግሆ ኢሳያስን ከደምቱን መዓልቶም ኣኺላ ታሪኽ ምስ ኮኑ፣ ከመይ ኢልካ ኢዩ ዝንበር?

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Abraham H.,
      I hope you will speedily regain your full health. Take care and follow advices of your doctors. We need you to be among your loved ones and us. I am one of fellow forumers who have benefited from your contributions. Stay strong.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother Abraham H.,

      I am worried about your health, Get well soon!!!

      I also agree with what you are saying that we Eritrean are in trouble at this moment, but thanks God we are all strong still and are optimistic.

      KS.,

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Kokhobay and all my fellow Awate forumers, thank you for the kind words of encouragement; I’m sure I will beat this, as we don’t give up easily:)) Kokhobay, I wish you full recovery.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Abraham H.,

      You are correct it’s mind boggling that IA can have any supportes at all.

      I really have doubt those who are supporting they do not know what’s going on. I do think think the leaders, those who organize, have a hidden selected meetings – agendas.

      HGDF knows every ERITREAN database and I do not doubt that based on the knowledge they have, they recruit people with the same interests and backgrounds.

      The majority are there because they want to fit in.

      For example in Toronto, YPFDJ when they started the key organizer was a guy (who was son of the then ERITREAN ambassador at the UN who is at AU now, Araya Desta). Those people who knew the ambassador told me, he would be devils ambassador if he gets the opportunity.

      Our weekends as opposition (I understand people want to give benefit of doubt and all) is lack of compiled data who the enemy of the people are.

      Berhe

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Abraham H.
      I am sorry to hear you are ill. I hope you feel better, and I hope that the situation in our country starts to improve.

    • Natom Habom

      SELAM dear Abraham H
      what is your burden that make you so seek ,because eritrea didn t give up badime ?you speak about peace with the mereb milash ,why ??
      Eritrea survived whitout them for 20 years ,why do eritrea need to give up the eebc agremment for peace ,how about the burden of 19 ,000 that defended with their lifes against the assault for the invasion of our country ,how about the burden of d90 000 eritreans elders ,children ,pregnant innocent civilian accused of spy ,or their eyes have different colour ,how the burden of the destruction of life by working with foreign power to isolate eritrea,diplomatically ,economically ,and milittarlly ,
      you are one of those old separated from reality .the country will not go to hell but someone without burden for sure will go to hell .

  • blink

    Dear Abdulworld
    Our aspirations is more free society that don’t get worried about government. Don’t forget Eritrea is just 1/4 century old and the price we paid and still paying will give fruits to a justified life for everyone . We will not just settle for the current horrible situations , never . Issaias will go and anyone who undermine Eritreans after that will regret it . I truly believe Eritreans with more cool heads and agile minds will pop up to captain it to a mor safer situation.

    • abdulworld

      Hello blink,
      I understand you believe the sacrifice or price you feel Eritrean have paid will bear fruit. First that is belief and second it is belief in just or fair world.
      Tell that to Eritrean refugee who have been in Sudan since 1968 or ex-fighter who spent 30 years in battle who ends up dying in prison.

      Where are those cool head and agile minds you are talking about? Trees don’t grow in desert- so what Eritrean community is nurturing and supporting those agile mind you are talking about?

      • blink

        Dear Abdulworld
        Let’s see what are yours? I mean are you saying we should just stay with the current one and leave Eritrea to decay and die ? What’s your favorite thing to say about the future ?

        • abdulworld

          Hello blink,
          I didn’t say any of above stuff. However, it is important to make a real assessment of the situation. I like to get a complete picture. I am tired of false optimism.
          Why did Eritrea end up with dysfunctional leadership?
          Why can’t Eritrean diaspora where ever they are in world not able to establish a strong and viable community centers like other minorities or ethnic groups?
          What can’t community develop and promote middle age leadership if not in Eritrea at least diaspora?
          Once you get an honest assessment and then you can start talking about a realistic future.
          But saying “we sacrificed a lot and it will bear fruit” is like Christian saying “we waited for a long time so Jesus is coming back?

          • blink

            Dear Abdulworld
            Diaspora, where are they and who are they ,many questions to answer just like the Christians and yet you have to know the diaspora has only small role to play. The game is going to be played in Eritrea and what ever the diaspora hold is just a plus nothing more nothing less. So your hope must be inside. The diaspora especially the western based are just spoiled brats with few tangible reasons to care for.

          • abdulworld

            Hello Blink,
            I have to say you are sounding more like issias when you say “western based are just spoiled brats”… as Issias was sending some of Eritrea youth to die in badme it was rumored that he said we wanted to show “coke-cola generation”….
            If you study other communities in America.. whether cuban, irish, jewish,armenian.. those communities organize and do a lot for their home countries..
            You sound like you are from Hippo generation.

          • blink

            Dear Abdulworld
            I am just telling you the truth about the diaspora in the west , they don’t really know what they are doing.they don’t agree on anything , they disagree even about their benefits and interests . And that has been the truth sir. It is not lack of money, time and space .

          • abdulworld

            Hello blink,
            Are you talking about the ones that were raised in West and educated in west? or you talking about ex-fighters of old generation?
            Which demographics are talking about?

          • blink

            Dear Abdulworld
            I just read your insult to all Eritreans and what I understood from that bad insult was that the Eritreans in anywhere are in fact better of with out your in put . Why would I allow you to insult people based on your narrow perspective.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abdulworld,

            I was reading this exchange with blink and I was wondering where it will end up, but I had my guess.

            I always irritate blink but it has been a while so here it goes. I have figured it out that, he comments here with a purpose, that is:

            1) Confuse any discussion that has remote possibility that targets the blame on IA and PFDJ.
            2) Shift the blame to the opposition for their weakness and target them vigorously.
            3) Conclusion: Let’s accept the fact as it’s and let’s wait and hope for IA to die off, in the mean time, let’s accept the situation the way they are.

            Look, he is going to scream at me, for putting words to his mouth.

            Berhe

          • abdulworld

            Hello Berhe,
            That interesting but I don’t want to get involved in any form of
            “mind-reading” which is form of cognitive distortion. It is a waste of energy and not realistic trying to read other people’s mind.
            If he is screaming because people have different perspective that is indication of lack of maturity.
            Critical Thinking and Creative Thinking are not part of Eritrean values yet.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear abdulworld,

            I agree it’s a waste of time trying to argue with someone with a purpose and objective clearly based on deception and lies.

            However I do not agree that when you make broad general statement, like “Critical Thinking and Creative Thinking are not part of Eritrean values yet.”

            I also do not agree the lack of having vibrant community in diaspora is a reflection of our society. This is not accurate either.

            I agree with you that we are lacking in both areas and others, but I think our focus should be in asking WHY, rather than making an assumption.

            Personally I think the wide spy network PFDJ have all around the world, is really the main reason none can be achieved.

            Berhe

          • Abraham H.

            Dear blink, I think what abduworld is saying is that if Eritreans who reside in the free world have failed to find each other and form vibrant communities, how could they accomplish that under the pfdj regime? There is something fundamentally wrong with us Eritreans that in the face of obvious transgressions from our tormentors, we are unable to act together for our collective betterment.

          • abdulworld

            Hello Abrah..
            You hit the nail with right hammer and force.
            Shouldn’t we have anthropologist and sociologist study the situation and come up with an action plan?

          • Abraham H.

            Selam abduworld, yeah, I think we need someone with the right expertise to study what is that in our psych or culture/society that is causing us to tolerate injustice with such a degree of indifference to the detriment of our continuation as a people. It is mind boggling indeed.

  • Bruno

    Hello everyone,
    First Happy Saturday to each of you and all. It has been a few days since I read this editorial peace. As soon as I finish reading a couple of points striked me 1) I was please by the cautiously optimistic feeling the new Prime Minister has infected everybody with and that Awate.com embraced the changes and extended a very warm feelings to Ethiopia and PMAA. That is really important as politics in East Africa is unusually more gloomy than anywhere else. Start with hope.
    2) I did not find in the content of piece what I expected and guessed from the title. During the Eritro-Ethiopian conflict, one of the taunting lines of the Eritrean government was that Eritrea has been an agent for the dawnfall of two regimes in Ethiopia and it wouldn’t be different this time around too. There is a lot of truth to that. So I was expecting the editorial to state, “You see! If you fight with Eritrea or attempt to expand to its territory, you will finally lose power. Don’t do it and now make peace.” I didn’t find that but didn’t mind either.
    But the reason why I decided to comment days letter is a piece I listened on NPR about an Algerian singer called Souad Massi. But first a few thoughts about PMAA. He is very unique in a lot of ways. One of the most interesting style he brought to the Ethiopian politics is that, before anything else, he needs to define himself in “words” because “words” have weight. As a result, he is in a charming tour reassuring everyone with what the people of each region would like to be known for. In one of his tours , it looks like he met with reality headon in Baher Dar where the people brought him , as SAAY says, ቅጭ when they told him he needs to start on delivering instead of pursuing his charm offensive.
    Now back to the Algerian singer who is doing a tour in the USA. In one of her songs (sorry, I was driving when I listened to the program featuring her and may not get it exactly as presented)*an enlightened leader went to the crowd and asked them to share their grievances without fear. Hassan, the songs narrator dishes out peoples’ grievances which among others are bread, milk, employment and housing. After short, Hassan disappeared. A year later the leader reappeared and asked the people to tell him their grievances again. The song contines:
    No one dared but the singer:

    “Where’s the bread and where’s the milk
    And the guaranteed housing?
    Where’s the employment for all
    And the free healthcare?
    And pardon me, O Excellency,
    Where is my friend Hassan?”
    I am praying PMAA will be different.

    * I later found the link for the podcast and tried to post it here earlier but Disqus marked my comment as spam. So I removed the link and reposted without the link to see if that was the culprit.

    • blink

      Dear Bruno
      I don’t know about the spam thing but I do know this about Eritrea and Ethiopia thing . Many Ethiopians almost the majority don’t care about Eritrea and they don’t really bother to know , that by itself is great news to Eritrea and Eritreans but once Ethiopia becomes a democratic state and the Ethiopian people will have a great day on what happens on their name . Up until now they have been used by their leaders (dictators) to be honest just as the Eritrean people at the moment are . Ethiopian leaders will understand that harassing Eritrea doesn’t work for their interest and with time they will stop .Many salon warmers has been underestimating Eritreans and they still do but the fact is Eritreans never lost hope of their aspirations. Many of awatefrum commenters are blind about the young generation of Eritrea and that is the key that differentiates them.

      • Bruno

        Hi blink,

        Blink, blink… you seem to know a lot. Cheers!

        • Hope

          Selamat Bruno and Blink:
          Welcome Bruno!
          We need some ” Neutralizing” forces like you here so that Blink,Mahmuday Sem Tesfay et al wouldn’t be harassed in their own ” homeland and Univ”!
          In a nutshell ,let me summarize what u guys eloquently said:
          “Those,who attempted to kill Eritrea and Eritreans,are either DEAD or are dying and will die before they ” kill” Eritrea and Eritreans”!
          Courtesy of Yemane GhereAb.
          Granted,this is NOT a bogus claim or a fake wish or dream but a historical fact where history has been repeating itself and will keep repeating itself.
          Of utmost importance,history does NOT lie!

          Eritrea and Eritreans cannot and should NOT be judged just by temporary hiccups and hardships;rather,they should be admired and appreciated,not only for surviving the Tsunamis of the tsunamis but for STANDING TALLER,FIRMER,STRONGER and for WINNING against all ODDs!

          History is the WITNESS.

          • Bruno

            Selam Hope,

            Thank you for the warm welcome. Yes, though sometimes difficult, I try to remain 7 on the PH scale. I am not sure if I communicated my views in my previous comment which was detained by disqus for hours clear. Let me try in a couple of bullet points

            1) In my views, the content of the editorial under discussion is magnanimous and congratulated which is good. It is the first bricks laid by an Eritrean outlet for the complicated peace that may or may not come soon. It sets a very important tone.

            2) It is heavy in its title and measured in content and tone. I personally believe that anytime Ethiopia fights with Eritrea, it center of power cracks. This happened to Hailesselasie, Mengistu and now the TPLF. Nothing to be braggadocious about, however. Just simple fact about how resultant of political forces in that region stand against each.

            3) I like how PMAA started with a charm offensive. Delivering however is a devile and often illusive. I hope he will succeed.

            I hope I made myself clearer. I respect and tolerate all views as long as they are not trolls from any side. Again thank you for recognizing me as a tiny addition to the discussion. I appreciate it.

            Cheers,

            Bruno

          • Selam Bruno,

            First of all, PMAA needs to win the hearts and minds of the people, and i think that he is doing a good job in that respect. Unlike his predecessors, his power lies with the people and not with the military. He has said important things, like, the armed forces will be accountable to the constitution and not to the ruling party, and maladministration and corruption are going to be his red lines, which show his readiness to confront the entrenched establishment within the armed forces and in the administration, with the support of the people.

            He does not want to make the same mistake as PMHMD, who did not have the support of the party, nor that of the people. People are enthusiastic with PMAA’s ideas and vision, he seems to be aware of his words (his promises for change), and i believe that he is different from others, and he has a chance to succeed.

            As to the title of the editorial i would like to suggest “eritrea’s government, the problem child of the horn”. In ethiopia what one sees is an evolving and developing political situation, contrary to the stagnant political situation in eritrea. Evolution brings change, sometimes violent in nature, in which internal contradiction are much more important than external factors. Eritrean regime’s effect on what happens in ethiopia is minimal.

          • Bruno

            Hi Horizon,

            I completely agree with your first point. I am not sure if I agree with your second point. Historically, Eritrea was an agent of change within Ethiopia. I hope you would not dispute that. There is a reason why that dynamics is more so than other conflicts within Ethiopia. But for time and space purposes as well as not to digress, let us park it there.

            Is the Eritrean government strong enough to affect Ethiopia today? I will say it is 1) Nuisance enough to exploit divisions within Ethiopia and spoil developments to its advantages. 2) Strategic enough to exploit geopolitics realignment and blunder them against Ethiopia.

            Ethiopia, despite its economic development in the past decade, is still a fragile nation at the edge of “failed state” cliff. It has no peace within itself and remains to be the poorest countries in the world. It is imprudent of the Ethiopia elite always to overstrengthening Ethiopia and over-blemish Eritrrea for psychological satisfaction. But all this is beside the point. Neither the editorial’s nor my point is to make the argument that Ethiopia need to make peace to Eritrea as it can always elbow Ethiopia. It is not and should not be.

            Cheers,

            Bruno

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam bruno
            Am not sure what do u mean when u said ” eritrea is an agent of changes within ethiopia” but eritrea and the end of cold war played a major role for the collapse of derg and still eritrea’s role for the transfer of power from tplf to eprdf is significant.

          • Bruno

            Hi Teodros,

            Sure. Thank you for the question. Eritrea is not agent for change (change agent) but culprits of charge. I regret the error. My apologies.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam bruno
            I meant eritrea’s contribution in overthrowing derg was big and still they play a role in transferring power from tplf to eprdf. Both r positive for ethiopia.

          • Selam Bruno,

            If eritrea tries to destabilize or hurt ethiopia by aligning itself with the enemies of ethiopia, it will be at a tremendous cost to eritrea herself, first and foremost. Eritrea had been the point of entry of the enemies of ethiopia, but it does not mean that she came out of it a benefiter.

            Division within the ethiopian social groups remains relative. It has always been there throughout ethiopia’s history, but it has never reached the stage of disintegration of the country, however her enemies dreamed of it, because ethiopians know the limit of their division, i.e. how far they can go, because, deep down, except the greedy elites, the people know the importance of unity for their survival.

            If you take into consideration the multiple problems of Eritrea, here is what one may call a country at the verge of the status of a failed state, compared to ethiopia. Factors like loss of its human capital, an economy in shambles, an open end military service which has destroyed the social fabric of the eritrean society – a suffocated society denied of peace and opportunities, etc, these are the factors that make a country a failed state. Ethiopia had peaceful change of governments on two occasions, and eritrea has yet to pass this stage, and nobody knows if it is going to be peaceful or chaotic. That is why it seems that dictatorship came to stay, even after dia is gone. How else could a country confined within a wall as many regime supporters would like, a country behind an iron curtain, exist unless under dictatorship. The chances for democratic eritrea post-dia are minimal.

            Much more eritrea is in need of peace than ethiopia. That is the problem of being a small country, despite flirting with major regional arab powers. Moreover, ethiopia is in a better position to withstand any outside aggressor today than ever before. Compared to a dormant society, the recent upheavals in ethiopia show a natural and a useful reaction of a society in motion.

            Finally any political changes that came to ethiopia, be it hsi or the derg, are because ethiopians wanted it. If ethiopians believed to the end in hsi and the derg, things would have been completely different today. People should draw a lesson from the last war, when tplf left ethiopia undefended, and yet ethiopia could expel the aggressor. Eritrea’s power to effect change in ethiopia has always been a big miscalculation. It is what brought the 1998-2000 disaster.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,
            Honestly, I feel disappointed that you refer to any country as an enemy. I do not know which countries you consider enemies but if my guess is right, I haven’t heard any country refer to Ethiopia as an enemy. Maybe as a rival, or one with intermingled interest that they have to engage to resolve it to their interest. But enemies? That iobsession with enemies is not constructive in establishing peace. I think 🙂

          • Selam SJG,

            Let me give just one example, without going to the indirect actions of others, which is difficult to prove. When the egyptian government was caught on tv plotting to destabilize ethiopia using regional anti-ethiopian forces and even bomb infrastructures, because it feels that egypt is master and owners of a river its source is in ethiopia, i cannot call that being rival or intermingled interest, but right away animosity. This is not obsession, it is a fact.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            The Egyptian gov plot that caught on egyption tv was a drama orchestrated to scare ethiopia to change their mind on building the dam. It is not real.
            What about tplfist real plot?
            Ur tplf leaders said worse than that for so many years, they even make the disintegration of ethiopia as thier written policy.
            Let me ask u this based on ur own logic,
            is there any group in the world who work hard than tplf to divide ethiopians in different groups? There is no way that u care for ethiopia while u love tplf.
            U don’t love ethiopia, ur love is tplf.

          • Mez

            Dear Teodros,

            “…egyption tv was a drama orchestrated to scare ethiopia ….”

            Not really, no evidence to substantiate your line of thought.

            Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam mez
            I haven’t seen it turn out to be action or reality and i also said even if they attack ethiopia because of the nile dispute, it means they fought us to protect what they think is right. Nothing new about it .

          • Mez

            Hi Teodros,

            I have a hard time in understanding your line of thought.

            Thamks

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam mez
            Ok ,

          • Mez

            Dear Teodros,

            War is a bad thing. It is not like a movie action, and shall be avoided by all possible win-win solutions.

            TPLF is an Ethiopian political party. And we have to handle it as such.
            Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam mez
            Agree with u except tplf .
            Tplf is enemy of ethiopia, that try to get benefit out of ethiopia and beyond misery.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Teodros Alem,
            .
            I have one simple question. I ask you to put on your fairness hat and answer it objectively? It is multiple choice.
            .
            Are the people of Ethiopia more united in:
            A. 1968 ?
            or
            .
            B. 1988 ?
            or
            .
            C. 2018 ?
            .
            Please, please…I don’t want explanation or hateta…just tell me the year you are picking.
            Later on you can explain all you want. I just want ONE clean answer from you this time.
            .
            I got to go.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            B.
            I don’t know about 1968.

          • blink

            Dear KM
            The Tigrians were living in Gonder from m 1948 just until 2018 and what happened in 2018 was that all Tigrians were evacuated from their business and house to their origin place Tigria . Over one million people displaced just because their ethnicity.

            You can guess

          • Bilien Giorgis

            Selam Tedros Alem
            Of all the comments on this site, yours take the cake for being the most asinine. Do you really believe all the b,s. you write about the tplf and the tigrian people? You seem to see the tplf in every nook and cranny and perhaps in your bedroom closet at night. Why don’t you, for a change, stop living inside of your head and pay attention to the real and provable events going on in Ethiopia? Nothing you write has any basis at all. A tiny example: tplf IS still part of the government, the EPRDF – made up of four parties of which the tplf is one. No amount of wishful thinking on your part is going to change that (and if they do go away, nothing unusual about that. Governments come and go). I’ll save you a few brain cells ( that you can not afford to
            expend guessing my ethnicity) and tell you upfront that I’m an ethiopian from Tigrai, you know, the place where the concept of Ethiopia originated. And while we’re at it, please be humble enough to realize that nobody died and assigned you the arbiter of who is and isn’t a ‘real’ ethiopian.
            YeKenieley

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam bilien giorgis
            If there is anything that u disagree with what i said about tplf bring it on and i will try to explain.otherwise what u saying is nonsense.

          • abdulworld

            Hello Giorgis,

            I like your response for simple fact that it is grounded in reality. As an Eritrean, I can honestly tell you that there are many Eritrean in utter disbelief with what happened our country or community.
            Basically, we have in Asmara not only a dysfunctional and inept government but one that has made life hellish for people.
            The reality is this is bitter pill for Eritrean in diaspora to take and they can’t do anything about it or they have convinced themselves of that..

            Next thing for them to do is blame the woyane or TPLF… or anticipate or predict the disintegration of Ethiopia usually based on wishful thinking or minimal understanding of political science…

            I didn’t like Zenawi’s policy and treatment of Eritrean-Ethiopian but with regards to Ethiopia’s policy and development program with notion of developmental state it is working on economic front.

            With folks like Tedros,
            Don’t take anything they say seriously it is a mixture wishful thinking and deep seated resentment when you don’t like what you see in the mirror.
            It is all old song.. Misery loves company..

            Your last statement regards concept of Ethiopia originating in Tigrai?
            I believe Tigray has ancient places and has had influence in Ethiopian identity.. but the modern concept of Ethiopia greatly influenced Amhara region also.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Horizon,

            Be gentle as you were,,,, usually full of wisdom..

            Egypt was trying to exploit the chance as now during our revolution,,,

            I am and was feeling it when I was fighter too but that was not affecting me from my struggle as I know very well the intention of our people.. It was different at than those racists and I was fighting till the end against…

            KS,,

          • Ho Horizon,
            Thank you for reminding me about “the egyptian government was caught on tv plotting to destabilize ethiopia using regional anti-ethiopian forces….”

            Now it is my turn to remind you that I translated that discussion into English from the “enemy language”:-)
            Also let me remind you of n article I wrote around that time: http://awate.com/beware-of-warmongers/

            Now think: would your comment considering Egypt an enemy be equally interpreted to mean “ethiopians are eneies of Egypt”

            I do not think so. Egypt and Ethiopia never severed diplomatic ties, even in 1973 when the Arabs rallied against Israel and Haile Sellasie had to aligh=n himself with the Arab position. Before that, Jamal Abdelnasser of Egypt was instrumental in rallying support for the OAU project–you know how he was popular in almost every African country because he supported the anti-colonialism struggle of Africans, helped and inspired all the military men who were taking power or already took power in many African countries. His support for the leaders or fighters in South Africa, Uganda, Kenya, Congo, Libya, Algeria, Somalia were unmatched since he took power in the fifties. Internationally, he was the leader of the non-aligned movement together with Sukarno, Nehru, and Joseph Tito.

            For example, Ethiopia and Sudan were always at loggerheads partiularly during the Derg-Numeiri years but that should not be considered a never-ending enmity. Somalia and Ethiopia had several wars, the relation is not perpetual. Same with Eritrea–would you consider Eritrea a perpetual enemy of Ethiopia or vise versa?

            Horizon, I know that the ant-Arab sentiment was deeply ingrained during Haile Sellasie time when it was presented as a risk to “the Christian Island”. And this was promoted by Ethiophiles who saw everything through the Israeli-Arab conflict and tried every trick to alienate Ethiopia from its neighborhood. In short, this enmity you are talking about is not a national position but stirred by interest groups, prejudice, and media. Now rove to me when was Ethiopia and Egypt enemies to even reach the level of cutting diplomatic relations…. and I will be a good listener.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ho Horizon,
            Thank you for reminding me about “the egyptian government was caught on tv plotting to destabilize ethiopia using regional anti-ethiopian forces….”

            Now it is my turn to remind you that I translated that discussion into English from the “enemy language”:-)
            Also let me remind you of n article I wrote around that time: http://awate.com/beware-of-

            Now think: would your comment considering Egypt an enemy be equally interpreted to mean “ethiopians are eneies of Egypt”

            I do not think so. Egypt and Ethiopia never severed diplomatic ties, even in 1973 when the Arabs rallied against Israel and Haile Sellasie had to aligh=n himself with the Arab position. Before that, Jamal Abdelnasser of Egypt was instrumental in rallying support for the OAU project–you know how he was popular in almost every African country because he supported the anti-colonialism struggle of Africans, helped and inspired all the military men who were taking power or already took power in many African countries. His support for the leaders or fighters in South Africa, Uganda, Kenya, Congo, Libya, Algeria, Somalia were unmatched since he took power in the fifties. Internationally, he was the leader of the non-aligned movement together with Sukarno, Nehru, and Joseph Tito.

            For example, Ethiopia and Sudan were always at loggerheads partiularly during the Derg-Numeiri years but that should not be considered a never-ending enmity. Somalia and Ethiopia had several wars, the relation is not perpetual. Same with Eritrea–would you consider Eritrea a perpetual enemy of Ethiopia or vise versa?

            Horizon, I know that the ant-Arab sentiment was deeply ingrained during Haile Sellasie time when it was presented as a risk to “the Christian Island”. And this was promoted by Ethiophiles who saw everything through the Israeli-Arab conflict and tried every trick to alienate Ethiopia from its neighborhood. In short, this enmity you are talking about is not a national position but stirred by interest groups, prejudice, and media. Now rove to me when was Ethiopia and Egypt enemies to even reach the level of cutting diplomatic relations…. and I will be a good listener.

          • Selam SJG,

            From the time a swiss mercenary told an egyptian paasha to “colonize or islamize ethiopia” in order to control the nile, and spearheaded the 1875-76 wars of occupation against ethiopia, and the subsequent self-serving agreements on the nile of the 1929 and 1959 respectively, with the british and the sudanese, and declared itself the sole owner of the waters of the nile, ethiopia has never seen good days coming from the egyptian side.

            One could add to these the lobbying in western capitals to deprive ethiopia of the possibility of building a dam on the nile, the hydro-electricity producing equipment egypt destroyed as it was passing through the suez canal, the intimidation with military force, the hard work egypt puts so that the gerd is not completed successfully, the fact that it still refuses to sign the nile basin agreement of equitable share of the nile waters, etc, are not criterias on which ethiopians can say, here is a friendly country and a friendly people with whom ethiopia could have a free and equal relationship.

            How can one characterize a nation that it believes stands against its voracious and insatiable appetite or causes its psychological instability other than as an enemy? Therefore, ethiopians are enemies of egypt, as much as egyptians are concerned. They say it everyday. Don’t they say that ethiopia is depriving them of the waters of the nile, and making their farms waste land, whether they believe it or not, and is this not the way the egyptian media brainwashes the people and even calls for war?

            Severing diplomatic ties with egypt was not and is no easy even today. It is equivalent to severing ties with all the members of the arab league and the arab world in general, especially in the 60s and 70s, when egypt was the head of the arab world, and she could call for solidarity from all sides. One should remember what the general (?minister of defense) of the ksa said, when ethiopia started to build the gerd, that “the dam was meant to destroy egypt”. It is easy to see the solidarity and the alliances on the other side.

            President Nasser and the heads of the non-aligned nations of the 60s and 70s indeed supported the anti-colonial struggle. Is this possible to say that ELF could also be included in this, because from what we know, it was formed in cairo with the blessing and support of the egyptian government.

            As long as we cannot compare the nile and badme on equal terms, the level of animosity between ethiopia and eritrea can never be to the same degree as with egypt. The nile is part of the egyptian foreign policy that will never ever change unless forced. In the case of ethiopia and eritrea, too much testosterone, arrogance and ignorance are the main factors, and therefore not a permanent problem.

            Anti-ethiopian sentiment started when the ottoman turks armed an adal sultan gragn ahmed (whatever his identity was), and unleashed him against the so-called “Christian Island”, who overrun abyssinia and destroyed churches and monasteries, and he would have succeeded to destroy the country, had it not been for the portuguese jesuits who came to help. Ethiopians are accused for anti-Arab sentiment, because they refuse to turn the other cheek.

          • abdulworld

            Hello Horizon,
            I am impressed with your historical knowledge but you need some balance.
            The same ancient Egyptian used to call area south of Nubia (ethiopia, eritrea, etc) Ta netjer, the “Land of the God”. And this was the view of Egyptian for nearly 4000 to 5000 years.

            Of course, you can start rewriting history via propaganda lens… about arabs or anti-arabs or christian, turks, etc.. By the way all these foreign to Nile Valley civilizations(arabs, turks, etc).

            The reality of it is since the first Egyptian farmers started planting and harvesting around the Nile around 7000 years ago- they have had reverence for Nile and where it originates from… Just imagine these farmers with belief that Gods lived in Ethiopia, Eritrea, ec..

            For all this noise about war and supposed conflict of arab vs christian, etc..

            Has any independent organization done any kind of Feasibility Study on the Dam? Is there any engineering and scientific analysis that show impact?

            The people of Nile Valley have shown some of most remarkable engineering feat(pyramids) that continues to marvel the world?

            Why do we African people of Nile Valley whose roots originate from Nile Valley with one of most Advanced civilizations in Human history waste our time talking about complete foreign origined concepts like arabs, turks, islam, christian etc..
            to point of fighting and dying for them?

          • Selam Abdulworld,

            I really am not sure, if i understood everything you said, nevertheless, just to say few things, – ancient egyptians who lived thousands of years ago left behind the marvellous constructions you mentioned, nubia (in today’s sudan) and the kingdom axume existed side by side and axumite kings have ruled over nubia at a certain point in time, the land the gods of ancient greece, their destination where they enjoyed their holidays was said to be puntland, and ethiopia (a greek word for a person with a burnt face, dark face, black face), was said to be the region south of a certain point in southern egypt.

            All these are ancient history, where myth and real history are intermingled, unlike the more or less recent history of arabs and turks that is better documented, and therefore there is no need to rewrite history.

            As to the gerd, you and i, i think we are not in the position to discuss about feasibility studies, engineering and scientific analysis, because we do not have the necessary knowledge. At least i do not, and we should leave to those who know.

            We can not say that we should not discuss about arabs, turks, italians, etc, because they came to our region uninvited, and they tried to dominate and enslave our people. Therefore, it is impossible to ignore them. About fighting and dying for their cause, that is the most irrational thing to do.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            U know deep down u and the people that u advocate not affected whatever happen to river nile. Ur motives is clearly to create animosity between peoples of the nile and try to get “cheap narrow idiology” benefit out of it as usual.
            Let the people of the nile that can be affected by the river deal with it.

          • abdulworld

            Hello Horizon,
            1. I was asking if any independent feasibility study was done before people talk about conflict? Or bring all this anti-arab or christian non-sense. Maybe the dam gets built and there is no problem?

            2. In terms of History- I just wanted point out to you Egypt and Horn have had 5000+ years of positive interaction and Egyptian looked at Horn as “land of God”. This is not myth- documented history from hieroglyphic. Most of that history was about trade and not conquest and war… I am not re-written any history I am just telling it. Just because you have better document from 100 years ago doesn’t mean history started then…

            3. It makes no sense as an intelligent African to start using Greeks, Turks or muslim and christian, etc.. as reference point. It is important for both Ethiopian and Egyptian leadership to know that they have had 5000+ years of positive interaction. I just scares me when you see African start using presence of European as their reference point.

            4. I don’t need to know what the Greek called area south of Egypt. I prefer to know what our Nile valley brother and sisters called our area and neighborhood. I am sure they didn’t care about skin color since most likely they had similar complexion. Leave it to European to around divide area by based on “complexion”…

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,
            Unfortunately, you are walking on a territory that I know about more than my ancestry 😊

            First, I will tell you about the mercenary whose name you might not know. It is Munzinger Pasha. He was a Pasha and he didn’t tell any other Pasha anything because he worked for the King of Egypt, Mohammed Ali. Munzinger came to the area with General Napier to fight Tedros and remained behind in Massawa until he was hired by the Egyptians and he became the governor of Taka, the region from Keren to Massawa. In those e days, as now, many foreigners (mercenaries) worked for anyone with a title in the whole region. Tedros has his own mercenaries as well.

            The fight over water resources is the history of humanity and that is why most civilizations were established on the banks of great rivers—there is nothing new there. But don’t you think you are selective in picking from history parts that suit your arguments? How can you mention a petty mercenary in the grand scheme of things and forget that the Patriarch of the Abyssinian church was anointed by an Egyptian Pope? History is not a straight-line Horizon, particularly when you see it from a perspective of a longer period.

            The British designed deal of the Nile is not fair for all except for colonial Britain—I have written enough about that and will not repeat it here. My gist is the war mentality that doesn’t seem to let go. I have not heard of machines that were purposely damaged in Egypt as they passed through the Suez Canal. Did the ship carrying it belong to any country at all? If it did, what did the country whose flag the ship carried do? Was the machine insured? Horizon, I also have a little idea on how shipping works. I do not believe any of that—don’t quote unofficial sources here because it will be like someone quoting your comment and making it sound official. I tend to rule it our outright.

            There are many agreements still pending because one country or other refuse to sign it—but they are not calling each other enemies. There are international mechanisms that deal with such problems. In short, what the Egyptian war agitators are doing is not any different than your type of argument. Think about it.

            That Egypt should be concerned about the Nile flow is natural—are not many Ethiopians deafening us because of access to the Red Sea? But do we say that certain people are perpetually throwing aggressive statements, therefore, Ethiopia is an enemy? The interests of countries are intermingled, there differences, negotiations, hard positions, and arm-twisting. In the civilized world, they call it diplomatic problems. Try to substitute that for enmity otherwise, you will not be any different than those who agitate for conflicts knowing they’re protected in a safe place. There are Egyptians who do that, and I will hate to see you fall into that group.

            On draining the farms, the foolish statements that Egyptians made, I mentioned that I translated that from Arabic to English—there are a few people who debate with me using the translations I provided. It is amusing indeed.

            The Saudi man who made the remarks is not the defense minister, he is an army general, retired at that. So, don’t give it more weight than it deserves—Horizon, don’t pile tidbits on me—we are not litigating a case against you and me! My message is simple—living in perpetual enmity is painful and being always worked up and warlike is not healthy. Try to be peaceful and less emotional. That is my message.

            ELF? Aha! That Arab manufactured struggle. The favorite put down of many:-)

            Yes, the ELF was a product of internal oppression and an anti-feudal corrupt struggle against a medieval monarch. Internationally, it was a product of world level of enlightenment, a trend of a struggle for freedom and liberation. The continuous attempt to make it an Egyptian affair is not known. I grew hearing it, but I also lived in that hell called The Haile Selassie occupation and it was not fun. So, even your attempt to belittle our struggle is a combative posture—and I am advising you to give that up. It’s not healthy for anyone. Think peace for a change and stop this Isaias like the attitude that everybody is an enemy.

            Enmity is the same. Just like gambling is whether you are gambling with a dollar of r a million dollars. Enmity over Badme and over the Nile is enmity. Small conflicts escalate to be overwhelming. Reject the idea whether it is small or big. You cannot justify wars on size. That is not a proper scale. Every drop of blood is as sacred as the other and no blood should be shed if there are better ways. And bloodshed starts from propaganda, noisy agitation and warped attitudes.

            On what I call the great Abyssinian civil war, you are very choosy, and you are advancing the crooked narration. Again, I consider this my territory. Begin by recognizing the intervention of the Turks and Portuguese as foreign interventions. But considering the Turks as the only forces that intervened and giving the Portuguese intervention feeble justifications is a copy of the narration of you know what. Modern Ethiopia has Christians and Muslims. It has Abyssinian, Oromos and Somalis and others. Do you think it is fair, correct, and tenable to keep that narration so biased and church-centric forever? What if you switched your background, say to that of a Somali Ethiopian, and narrated the story? Horizon, history is not uni-focal and if you need help in this, read prof Lapiso Dileba for a change and stay away from the Kibre-Negest for a while. Try to look at it from a scholarly position and not from the monastery. It’s time Ethiopians came up with a general Ethiopian narration of their history and not a section of it.

            But no one can deny that the ant-Arab sentiment among Abyssinians is proverbial and it needs to be told that it is racist. Talk about the Arab regimes and its flows throughout history, and I promise to bore you. But for now, let’s focus on keeping the minds of some Ethiopian Abyssinian elite sane.

            I hope we are done with this

          • Tedla

            Selam Saleh,

            Not to belabor this (because you seem to not have any more interest in this – it’s a minor point anyway), but do you really believe the Ottoman’s role in Gragn Ahmed destruction of the Ethiopian Christendom and the Portuguese help for the latter are comparable? Really? The Turks, through their mercenary Ahmed Gragn, wanted to subjugate the highland Abyssinians of the time and force them to convert to Islam. To make sure that he meant business, Gragn ransacked villages, burnt churches and monasteries. No need to insert here the fact that early adoptees of Islam found refuge in the Axumite kingdom of the day …

            In any case, when you’re outnumbered and outgunned, it’s natural to ask for external help (that’s what the modern “liberation fronts” did in our own time). You’d be a fool not to. And that’s where Christopher de Gama and his Portuguese army come in. The Ottomans were the aggressors, they came in with the expressed intent to subjugate and force-convert the people. De Gama, as far as I know, was invited by the ruler of the day. I honestly fail see the one-to-one here. (By the way, I’m not siding on either side here – just the facts as they happened).

            I’ve a very cursory knowledge of history – may be not more than high school level – but I remember reading the Ottomans also contemporaneously waged a war to overrun Austria (in the Siege of Vienna) to force the people to submit to Islam. As it happened, the Austrians had enough firearms and resources, and succeeded to repulse the attack on their own. Had they decided to seek help from, say, their Catholic French brethren, would that make the French on par with the Ottomans? Unless misplaced partisanship takes the better of our judgement, there is no equivalence here.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Tedla,
            I am not interested in debating history based on mythology but scholarly findings, non-politicised type of history. If I see that, I retreat because there is no point in continuing. I would not mind continuing provided you divorce whatever you heard from the ruling class, from the religious class and feudal lords who had a vested interest. Also, avoid repeating history as told by the victorious and investigate it on your own, based on salient facts and rational thinking—and very critical thinking.

            Now, I have yet to see any mention of Abyssinian rulers venturing into Oromo, Somali, and Afar lands with any other intention but to blunder and convert people to Christianity if they were to avoid genocide. That went on until about 140 years ago in the area. And the receiving end has to res[ond in kind. After so many years of subjugation, and atrocities committed on the lands mentioned, including a quota of virgin girls that the subjugated were supposed to give the king on a regular basis, and after they destroyed the Sultanate of Salahaddin (it was known as Ber Salahaddin…the shores of Salahaddin) Ahmed Gragn decided he cannot take it anymore. He retaliated with an equally ferocious invasion of Christian lands. To me, that is a civil war ignited by people who considered their plunder and conquests were a mission of God. Of course, the Portuguese wanted to protect Christianity just like the Turks wanted to protect Islam. But both religions faced aggression from local people. And here is my dilemma:

            Why does Abyssinian narration mention the reaction of Ahmed Gragn while remaining silent about the chain of aggressions on Muslim lands by Abyssinian warlords? There lies your answer.

            As for Europe, empires expand wherever they can and it happened with the Moghul expansion, Ottoman expansion, Ommayad expansion, Crusaders expansion and sure, Abyssinian expansion. So, let’s take history on its own merit without trying to make it seem it is current events. You might be a descendant of Ahmed Grangn and I could be a descendant of Libnedengel. There is no way of telling. But if we disassociate ourselves from historical events that happened centuries ago, and think like citizens of today, unbound by what happened centuries ago, we will be fine. And that is how we start to liberate ourselves from the shackles of the past that we try hard to be part of in vain. One cannot discuss history if he takes sides retroactively.

            Finally, there are two versions of any history: one told by the defeated folks and another told by the victorious folks. But in this day, we cannot afford to have a partial history–we have to reconcile history and make everybody own their history with all its good, bad and ugly aspects. And towards that goal, I have been defining the Gragn Libne Dengel war as a civil war. There is no gain in keeping is distorted. Wedehanka.

          • Tedla

            Selam Saleh,

            Far be it from me that I might be regurgitating the victor’s version of history. Anyway, I don’t know how you’d call Abyssinians in that war victors after they survived a near complete destruction. They lived the horror, and they related what happened.

            My casual observation is that Christians and Muslims in Ethiopia lived side by side without much of a problem, as their current history attests. In fact, if they lived for nearly 1400 years together, they could only do it if there is some level of harmony amongst them. They can’t be at each other’s throat for so long and yet survive as a society. The fact that the country was at one time known as a Christian Island is, I think, just by virtue of precedence. The Christians were there first, and they wanted to keep their way of life, and maintain the nature of their nation in their own image. The country wasn’t secular yet. Not much room for disagreement there.

            I agree with some of the items you wrote. In those days, aggression was a fact of life in our neighborhood (in some sense, still is). A strongman, a powerful king, a shifta, whoever he is (usually a he) demands tributaries from what it considers its inferiors. That was how things were done in those days. If it’s not a major war, then a plunder of some sort as a show of force wouldn’t be out of the ordinary.

            Having said that, Ahmed Gragn seems to me a fanatic, the ISIS of his time. Kings and rulers before him (from both religions) pretty much did what political leaders would do. Expand their conquest, install their viceroys and ensure the tributes come their way, let their foot soldiers loot the defeated and so on. Gragn, on the other hand, tried to entirely destroy the Christian nature of Highland Abyssinia (the habitants and their institutions) and install his professed belief in its place. This seems to me to be borderline genocide – to use your word…. My guess is that history will remember Menigstu and his Derg party in a similar way as Ahmed Gragn.

            Paul Henze in his Layers of Time has a chapter discussing Islam in Ethiopia. Maybe I missed it when I read it the first time, but I don’t remember reading about “genocide … [and] a quota of virgin girls”, as you expressed it, inflicted on the Muslim citizens. As I recall now, he references scholarly works, so his book should be believable. I’ll quickly go thru that chapter and get back to you.

            My reference to European history was to indicate the Ottoman aggression happening there at the same time as when they were arming Gragn. It was to show the Turkish intention.

            I missed the Wedehanka bit entirely.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Tedla,

            Thanks for the reply.

            When reading history, I think one should read history as written from both sides to get a somewhat acceptable picture. I uggest different sources: 1) FutuH AlHabasha (a narration by a man who accompanied Gragn in his conquests) published a distributed by Tsehay publishers of Los Angeles, 2) Several Amharic books by prof Lapiso Dileba on the subject, and 3) An Amhaic book by Muhyiddin Jebel, can’t remember the title off my head but I think it was Islam in Abyssinia or something like that. These books will balance the information that you get from books written by people like Paul Henze that are generaly islamophobic and therefore biased.

            I agree Gragn would be the equivalent of ISIS, but so were his adversaries, the feudal kings who invaded his land and humiliated his people. They were both fanatics.

            Wedehanka is an expression that the Americans copied from Keren and it’s American version is “Stay Good” 🙂

          • Amde

            Selam Tedla,

            “My guess is that history will remember Menigstu and his Derg party in a similar way as Ahmed Gragn.”

            No sir. Sometimes a sense of proportion is necessary.

            I would say Gragn was THE person of the millenium (1000 – 2000). He showed up in the middle of that era (1500 or so), and there were vast demographic changes after he showed up and because he showed up. It was the exhaustion of the Christian and Muslim forces that opened the way for the Oromo to expand out of the Borena lowlands, entirely populate the Eastern highlands (forcing Harar to build its famous walls), pushing the Hadya out of what is now Arsi, crossing onto the Western Mountains, and pushing the erstwhile Christian population north of the Abbay (compare the 2007 population densities of Misraq Gojjam 153.8 and Misraq Wellega 96.46 for example) Much of the Ethiopian peoples in the Southern Ethiopia region are squeezed in by the Oromo to the west and north. Much of the Christian heritage (churches, monasteries, etc..) that survived did so in caves, ambas, or because they were carved out of stone. The Gragn war also introduced the Portuguese into the Christian kingdom, whose efforts to Catholicize Ethiopia ended in popular revolt, the abdication of the Emperor, and a self-imposition of policy to turn Ethiopia’s back from Europe.

            Compared to all that, the Derg will probably be remembered for ending the monarchy and the landholding system. There were many atrocious things done during the Derg era, but i don’t think anything that will leave any demographic trail. The closest is refugee outflows from Eritrea, but that is probably consistent with the HaileSellasie numbers/trends.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Great historical narrative. Thank you. I disagree with some of the concluding points you raised but for now let me ask you this: Can you give us a time frame on how long it took in total for the message from Ethiopia to get to Portugal and for the Portuguese to arrive in Ethiopia?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            Let me volunteer an answer:

            The Portuguese were well established in the region extending from the east African coast to south-east Asia–including Mozambique, as well as in Bahrain, Yemen, and the Arabian Peninsula.

            Goa in India, the major Catholic region to this day, was the center of the Portuguese administration where another son of Vasco Da Gama was the commander. He had been to the Red Sea when the Imam Ahmed counter-invasion started and upon his return to Goa, dispatched a force under his younger brother Christopher Da Gama. So, the trip from Goa to Massawa could have been a few weeks journey. The Portuguese army arrived in 1541 in Hirgigo, and Christopher was killed in 1542.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            The reason asked the question was that, I remember reading a book not sure which one [Either Paul Henze’s “Layers of Time: History of Ethiopia” or Herold Marcus’ “History of Modern Ethiopia”] where the duration for the message to reach Portugal and for the Portuguese to send help was said to have taken around three years which seemed to me a bit off.
            Your take seems reasonable for the backup didn’t have to come from Portugal per se but from the nearby colonies. Thank you.

          • saay7

            Selam Paulos:

            It wasn’t the distance that was a factor but Portuguese willingness to be involved. They replied to the Kings call for help after six years by sending 400 musketeers. They engaged Imam Ahmed (Gragns) forces and inflicted enough pain for him to call for help from the Turks. Marcus defines this as two superpowers (Portugal and Turkey) vying for influence in the Indian Ocean and the Horn. The Turks sent 600 musketeers and canons which were decisive in turning the war in Ahmed’s favor. Vasco de Gama was beheaded and Imam Ahmed Gragn felt confident enough in his forces to thank and send the Turks home. That’s when the new king Gelawdios started guerrilla warfare complete disorienting ahmed Gragns forces until engaging and killing him at Tana. Without their leader, Ahmed’s forces dispersed.

            That’s one version of history, as told by Marcus.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Selam Sal,

            Very true. Distance may not have been a factor but one can greatly appreciate the speed at which information gets from A to B circa 600 years since then.

            Shifting…..As you know, AI is being hailed as the Microsoft of the 80s and as it happens, the first tested computers which operate on Qubits can process data with in 3 minutes that would take a classic computer 3 years. It is 100 million times faster. And as they say, welcome to the future. Or is it back to the future?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            There are many books on that era, but from ll the books that I read about it, I find “The Conquest of Abyssinia” written by a chronicler, Faqih, and published by Tshay press, ( I think in Los Angeles, also sold on Amazon) is the most useful I found. I strongly recommend that book though you need patience reading it. It was translated from old classical Arabic though the translation is excellent. It is the complete opposite narration of Kebre Negest and is written as Tsewitsway by a companion of Grang. You can sens all the religious zeal in i just like in Kebre Negest. But waht amazed me was the extent of Muslim Sultanates in central (present day) Ethiopia. Did you ever hear of The Muslim Sultanate of Shoa in any book by the scholars o the region, save Dr. Lapiso Dileba who goes into the great extent to lost the Warsama dynasty (Formerly Mekhzoumi). That way, you get a picture from both sides of the conflict and you can have a pretty good grasp of the situation… away from the biased, bigoted, and forged history you read about from different sources. I think Muhyiddin Jebel did a nmarvellous job in countering all the mythology, it’s an Amharic book which was selling like hot cake in Addis around 2012. I wanted to meet that guy to get help in getting some sources because of he was a researcher at the Addis Ababa University. But then he was jailed with the Awaliya school crisis. I don’t know how his case ended if it did.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            Thank you for the info. Will check it out.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulos,

            Non relevant topic but I thought I would share. When you address Ayay to SGJ, I think it’s correct way to do it. For example when some people address him as Gash Saleh, I don’t know may be it’s equivalent.

            When I read Gash, I find it normal and right thing to do. But when you say Ayay, for some reason it doesn’t feel right. It feels weird….

            What I want to say is, how brain washed we have become and we are totally losing the way we use to do and say things…

            Please do continue to say it…I don’t know how SGJ feels but it shows respect and love…

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            ኣያና ስለዝኾነ ኣያይ ንብሎ. He is not that old but we address him as such out of total respect. Let me put it this way, Sal is older than I am but he will always be መሰታና regardless. And he is the kind of person that we can call “Dude.” Personality matters.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulo,

            I understand why and I am not saying he doesn’t deserve it.

            You said ንብሎ but you are the only person that I see saying that. A lot of them deserve to be called as such (AH, Fanti and Ismail and many others) but we don’t say it at all.

            But the Ethiopians, Amde, Abi, Kaddish still do. I am just pointing it out, is this normal.

            Saay is cool dude. In the picture, actually he looked like going on his bike ride or with his kids to play paint ball:).

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            You’re right. I absolutely agree.

          • Tedla

            Selam Amde,

            That’s a good perspective you presented. I wasn’t thinking along the lines of the consequences of the state collapse in the aftermath of the Gragn war. The Oromo expansion obviously created lasting changes in the following centuries as you nicely summarized here. The Derg comment in my reply to Saleh was a throwaway line, and I was thinking of its boundless appetite for atrocities and the callous disregard for human life. It was the time of darkness, and so I thought that could be how people in the 16th century felt in wake of the Gragn war. Derg happened in living memory, so there is also the effect of recency.

            You brought up the Catholic project. One side of me thinks it would have been a good thing if at least a sizable section of the society accepted it. No doubt the Tewahdo church would have fought tooth and nail to preserve its hegemony, but even for them, I think, it would as an agent of reformation. The Jesuits would have brought in schools, technical knowledge, fewer holidays and a strong work ethic, but more importantly modernity, a world view that would empower the individual as an agent of change – agency! True, this is a long shot. They could have as well brought in occupation by the back door. But the counterargument here is that the country already had some level of centralized state, an awareness of the outside world and how power politics works to have fallen easily. Just speculating here. What do you think? You think it’s a lost opportunity among many?

          • Selam Tedla,

            The first thing the jesuits asked in return for their service was proselytization of the court to catholicism, to be followed later on by the whole nation, which meant the disappearance of the great ethiopian tewahdo religion. The reaction of the ethiopian tewahido church followers and its leaders saved the people’s religion, which goes back to the first centuries of the christian religion, and morphod the ethiopian tradition and culture.

            Today the ethiopian tewahdo church holds a respectable place in the christian religion worldwide, as an oriental christianity, with characteristics reminiscent of the first christians, where every christian ethiopians &- eritreans happen to live.

            In my opinion the changes the jesuits would have brought would have been the replacement of the ethiopian religion with catholicism, the gradual enslavement of the ethiopian society and defeat and disappearance of the ethiopian dynasty.

            We should not forget what they did in central – south america and africa to the indigenous indians and slaves from africa and what reverend Desmond Tutu said about white religious leaders, “you came with your bible, and you told us to close our eyes to pray. When we opened our eyes, we had your bible in our hands and you had our land”.

            With time, ethiopians would have been no different. Add to this the pope of rome, who blessed the fascist army before it left to kill and colonize ethiopians, and the occupation fascist army that destroyed and burnt to the ground churches and monasteries, and assassinated the head of the ethiopian church in front of thousands of ethiopians, as a lesson to their resistance. They killed priests and monks in their places of worship, ec.

            The modernity they would have brought to the indigenous population of ethiopia would not have been any better than the necessary knowledge to make them good servants, the type of modernity european colonizers left behind in africa, which was civil wars, genocide, and divided social groups who are forced to live in different countries.

          • Amde

            Hi Tedla,

            Interesting points on the Catholic potential. I am reminded of what Kenneth Kaunda is supposed to have said: “When the White Man came he had the bible and we had the land. He asked us to close our eyes and pray to God. When we opened our eyes, he had our land and we had the bible.”

            The cynical side of me says events would have transpired that we would have become a Portuguese colony. I love the catholic focus on education and its quality, but mass secular catholic education became a thing much later. (In response to Martin Luther’s protestantism).

            One can look at the effect of medieval Catholicism in the Portuguese and Spanish colonies. There were indeed some introduction of some technical knowledge, but on balance they have resulted in poor and (for a long time) politically unstable countries.

            (So I guess I talked myself out of my own original point – Thanks Tedla haha..)

            Perhaps a small community, without a political region of their own, generally accepted everywhere because they would not be considered a threat, might be a model that would have worked. They would constitute a strand of connection to the outside world.

            In any case, in the end geography would have asserted itself. Much of the fertilization and dissemination of ideas were possible due to relatively easy travel and trade among the European states. As far as being a member of an intellectual community, as far as Europe was concerned, we were just too far away. Too much effort to sustain an ongoing relationship.

            Somewhat related to the topic at hand, there is a Sheger Cafe (Meaza Birru) interview (look it up on youtube) with a historian about Werre Illu, the small town in Wollo. It was chosen by Menelik as the rallying point for the Adwa campaign, and the historian says that before the advent of modern roads, it was considered the logistical center for the western highlands and a major trading post. He talks about a couple of large jewel encrusted Orthodox churches destroyed by the Gragn forces and the Islamization of the population.

            Thank you for the excellent input.

            Amde

          • FishMilk

            Hi Saleh Jowhar. Not sure it is totally correct to call Egypt an Arab regime under the reign of Mohamed Ali as he was an Ethnic Albanian. Interesting to note also was that the Sheikdom of Bambasi in Beneshengul Gumuz, was established by his son, Ismail Bin Mohammed Ali.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fiishmilk,
            I don’t think I mentioned anything about the identity of Mohammed Ali. Indeed he was Albanian an Ottoman citizen and the founder of modern Egypt. But still, Egypt under him was an Arab nation. Of course, identity becomes fluid with time.

          • FishMilk

            Thanks Saleh Jowhar. My comment was insponse to your last para in regards to the anti-Arab sentiment of many Abyssinians. At least in the case of Egypt, it’s leadership during the 18th and 19th centuries, involved many actors, notably sizeable numbers of non-Arab ethnic Albanians. As you rightly say, identity has become fluid with time.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Horizon, I think the Egyptian worry about the GERD is too much exaggerated. There is enough rainfall in the Ethiopian highlands that would fill the GERD dam within a few years, and that should not be a problem to the Egyptians. Plus, I’ve never heard the Egyptians complaining about other dams that have been constructed upstream the Nile, for example, the recently built Sudanese dams and the dam of Ad-Damazin that lies just a few kilometers away from the GERD.

          • Selam Abraham H.

            Indeed, there is abundant water to go around. What is scarce is the goodwill from the egyptian side. Moreover, it is not all about water per se, but about geopolitical hegemony as well. Egypt sees the rest of africa as its backyard, hence the term it uses, ‘destabilizing ethiopia using proxies’. When colonies have become history, egyptian politicians still behave as colonizers.

            They waste billions of cm3 of water from poor water installations, ancient irrigation methods, misuse, etc, and at the same time, they complain of water shortage. They increase their water requirements continuously, so that others would not use the waters of the nile. They divert water to cultivate the desert even as they are told by experts that such projects are futile. If i am not mistaken, there was time when they even entertained to sell water to israel, while at the same time denying ethiopia’s rights.

            In simple terms, egyptian rulers act as spoilers, rather than as facilitators who want peace and cooperation in the nile basin for the good of all.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            Thanks Horizon for your clear eyed observations. The threat of the Egyptian President, (he was not alone) and the political leaders and Gov. officials you mentioned was good enough for this conversation, but their actions over decades maybe centuries and their ill will for the most part, qualifies them as enemy of Ethiopia.

            We will remain engaged with friends and enemies alike, we hope after GERD ??? their main reason for life long effort to disintegrate Ethiopia would abate.

            Mr. K.H

          • Bruno

            Hi Horizon,

            Thank you for the rebuttal piece. It has a lot of interesting point though nothing new that I have not heard before. So everything I will say will neither be.

            First, I am new to this forum and you are a veteran who has quite a record. I glanced over your posts and impressed by your intelligence, consistency and discipline of thoughts. It is this in mind that I will be debating you with a view to learning and provoking thought rather than winning.

            Now one disclaimer: when I say Eritrea I don’t mean the state but the current government and the way it is thinking. I don’t necessarily support its politics and policies which there are hardly any.

            1) You said that if Eritrea cooperates with other regional powers against Ethiopia, it would be at a great cost to it. Isn’t that what it is doing right now? What can Ethiopia do about it except issuing threats every six months? Did not Ethiopia go to instability to a verge of civil war?

            2) Yes, if Ethiopia cements its unity and continues to develop, it has a huge potential both politicaly and military to keep Eritrea to check. However, this is easier said than done. I strongly believe that Ethiopians to have a tight unity, they have to keep growing that niches the rate of its population. This is a daunting task with a probability of a little less than impossible. As long as it is not there, it will never be out of the woods.

            3) Somalia and Yugoslavia had a polarized society within them and never been a threat to their unity until the morning it happened. Neither you nor me can prove either way. What we know , however, is that there is animosity and fissures along ethnic lines and has never been this tense. It fought civil wars in the past and what heals discontent among parties in a civil war is economic and political transformations.

            4) Eritrea is a nation under a brutal ruthless dictatorship with an imaciated economy, dilapidated infrastructure, demoralized population and fleeting youth is no question. But it doesn’t not mean that government like that are powerless. In fact history shows that they are good spoilers.

            5) The peaceful power transfer Ethiopia witnessed is encouraging and impressive when its past history is juxtaposed vis a vis these two events, But it does not by any measure make it a stable democracy. Yemen has similar transfer of power before it sunk to a civil war and regional chase board.

            6) Ethiopia was able to barely dislodge the Eritrean army after three years. It does not show its strength but weakness. What really helped it was Issias did not have a political goal in starting and during the course of the war. So Eritrea miscalculated big time which Ethiopia exploited. So it shows Issias’ stupidity but not Ethiopia’s ‘solid unity’ like you portrayed it. But have you ever thought what could have happened if Ethiopia was unable not dislodge the Eritrean army and the war dragged to 6-1o years? But my view was the war should not have occurred for any reason and it should have been Eritrea which should have done anything under the sun to avoid it. Sorry I digressed.

          • Selam Bruno,

            It is a great news that a new mind is coming to the forum. We the veterans have rightly or wrongly a crystallized viewpoint on the ethio-eritrean problem. We have been hitting the same key over and over again expecting to hear a new music, which has become futile.

            Before we drag you to the one or the other side, i want to say (my personal opinion, unsolicited advice, although you are already aware of what i am to say), that we discuss having in mind two fundamental beliefs: the interest of the people and the interest of governments.

            These are two opposite worlds. One cannot serve two masters (the people and the government), as you know very well. Nevertheless, there are people who move very easily from the one to the other, for their ulterior motives. Just in two consecutive sentences, they move from one shore to the other. Therefore.

            – I and you must choose between our respective people and governments, standing for the people every and all the time,

            – We should decide whether the status quo (the no-war-no-peace and everything else) should continue forever as it is or not, until one of the two blinks, or if the two countries can move beyond badme, leaving it for the future, without forgetting that it has become a weapon in the hands of the two governments.

            – Where would the present impasse and animosity take the two countries, to more destruction or restoration of what has been lost up to now,

            – If both countries are living in a glass house or not. That the same problems exist in ethiopia and in eritrea as well (ethnic, religious and class divides).

            – What is the right political alignment for a small country like eritrea in the regional geopolitics that serves its long term interest? Etc. etc.

            I hope that you with a new mind who has come to the forum will stay and contribute your positive and constructive opinion. You should know that we have a lot to learn from you too. Be sure about that.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon and Bruno,

            Following quietly the conversations between I could not resist the urge to pronounce my admiration. Debating from very well premised positions, and at the same time exercising flexibility is a mark of the quality of useful discussion, which I can clearly detected from the few exchanges I have keenly followed. There is no sign of rigidity or one-dimensional arguments which, more than often than not, becomes rampant through the pages of this forum.

            Discussing a topic for its own sake and in its own right rather than tackling it from whether or not it fits in preconceived position makes the debate lively and informative. I believe Bruno (welcome dear) has come up with such welcome approach.

          • Bruno

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Thank yo for the kind words. They are nutritious to the spirit. I appreciated them.

          • Bruno

            Selam Horizon,

            Agree, agree and Amen to the three points you raised in the first three paragraphs of your comment.

            Also I am very humbled by your consideration of my input to the the points you raised worthy reading. Though challenging, I will attempt to the best of my ability.

            First, let me throw this as a good and honest gesture: I am a person who carry Eritrea and Ethiopia in my heart in this order and you can imagine the burden of a distance you can create between them. i know for sure I am not alone and this is not a unique to me but a big category I belong to. The other burden that comes with this is the disparity between what I wish happens and the reality in each of them But I will always base my arguments on the reality and frame them with various fitting social theories I know a little about here and there. Let this be a disclaimer for limitations.

            1) what will be the end t the “no peace, no war” status quo both Eritrea and Ethiopia are stuck in? Who will blink first? What happens if no one blinks?

            I don’t feel pleasure but to the contrary when I say that achieving peace between the two countries is more difficult than treating brain tumor. At the center of this issue is a key person with the name Issias who is dealing with abnormal psychological and behavioral problem. James Fallon, a Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry and Human Behavior in the School of Medicine at the University of California, Irvine says dictators are paranoid, narcissistic, power-hungry, and vain. Speaking of Belarus’s Alexander Lukashenko, Fallons wrote he actively attacks his opposition-a clear sign of malignant psychopathic megalomania that is almost impossible to satisfy. He says dictators “may associate themselves with “people” as a whole or “people” in a tribal or abstract pan-world sense (as Hitler may have had with pan-Germanism, or Stalin with pan-Slavic sentiments), or even with “the world”-anonymous variables that they exploit at their own discretion.”

            You ascribe all this and more to Issias. He is a person who believes that ruthlessness and vengeance are qualities which are needed to shin and win. He confuses being persistently stubborn for a principle backing off when cornered for flexibility. Anyone who come to contact with him will either be ignored or punished with a third rare and exotic category of rewarded depending how he perceives their active and potential role and action. Borrowing from the famous and over used phrase of James Carville it is the “Pyschology, stupd!” Sadly, the psychological issue he is dealing with may not be his own making and thus not his fault. Its consequence, however is our burden – Primarily Eritrea’s and secondly Ethiopia’s and the region’s.

            So the TPLF had gone into contact with his several times and the last time it is black-listed. This being the case, I don’t see any psychological reward he can get by making peace with Ethiopia short of seeing both the TPLF and EPRDF’s demise. I cannot even imagine it no matter how hard I can look from all angles.

            But TPLF has its own blame to share. Without delving into detail, it tried to pursue Ethiopian nationalism at the expense of Ethiopia. Even after the war ended, it could and should have implemented the demarcation process which could have a psychological reward to Issias when it was especially awarded from their hand. Now it has a new prime minister who has fresh start to his advantage. He can and would be prudent of him to implement the international ruling in letter and spirit.By doing so he can get the excuses out of Ethiopia’s way and snatch the morale and diplomatic high ground back to his side which his country is currently deficit with. I doubt if Issias has appetite in seating with him for peace though due to: 1) Issias considers him as junior 2) his soaring popularity may not bode well with him.

            So my friend we are stuck with him, you are stuck with it. Who knows what tangent development comes up in the meantime to surprise us all. I can only hope to be wrong, not like the man himself, but all his predictions.

          • abdulworld

            Hello Bruno,
            1. What regional power is Eritrean working with? I hope you don’t mean those Arab countries?

            2. This sounds more like disillusionment to me. Ethiopia is seating on the land that been awarded to Eritrea by court?
            Ethiopia’s unity? because you have brutal dictatorship in Eritrea that doesn’t mean it has unity?

            3. Ok- you are using events from nearly 30 years ago? Yugoslavia? For all the talk about Ethnic division or problem in Ethiopia- you might be surprised that 70% of population of Ethiopia can care less about ethnicity because they are below age of 30. Of course, people read articles and hear news which are generally written by people in 50’s and 60’s. Today of picking up your gun to be heard by central government are gone.

            4. Please provide example. Eritrea is too busy trying stop its people from leaving the country. Again if you want to show the world you are powerful country take care of your people and develop your country.. Stop acting like retarded guerrilla fighter who shots everywhere..

            5.. Comparing Yemen to Ethiopia is like comparing apples to oranges.

            6. Mis-calculated? What hell are you doing engaging a country with 100 million people after your people just got out 30 year war in battlefield? It is not mis-calculation- it is just disillusionment.

            6. You can afford to be strategy analyst from cyber world but the major difference from 2001 and 2018 is Eritrean in Eritrea have suffered a lot and are feed up… It is largest refugee producer in world. Its talented and dynamic folks already left. I wouldn’t be surprised if they welcome the Ethiopian army.

            7. Issias is playing checkers and Ethiopia is playing chess..
            Not even checkers just crazy. The only people who suffer are Eritrean..

          • Alex

            Hi Abduworld,
            I think you are delusional to state” I wouldn’t be surprised if they welcome the Ethiopian army” to mean to Eritreans. I am not sure if you are Eritrean, but you are well over you head with your provocative statement.

          • blink

            Dear Abdulworld
            You said1. “take care of your people and develop your country.. Stop acting like retarded guerrilla fighter who shots everywhere..” are you taking care of yours ? Just asking because for weyane guys it’s very hard to look to the reality.
            2.I wouldn’t be surprised if they welcome the Ethiopian army. ? There was war in 2016 if you are to young in your head.
            3. Your number 3 point is a pure weyane lies in your head because just 1 million people were displaced due Ethnic based disagreement.

            Ethnic friction in Ethiopia will not be solved by EPRDF not necessarily by the current one. Tigrians will continue to exit another part of Ethiopia. The fact is your reality based politics is just like weyane 100% election joke . If you are Tigrian who loved sibhat nega act like one .

          • FishMilk

            Hi Horizon. Wow. You make Ethiopia sound like paradise under PM Abiy. When do you plan on returning to live in Ethio paradiso?

          • Abi

            Hi Fishmilk
            Very fishy as usual.
            This forum is open to every species including snakes from the Kalihari desert. What is your problem? Why is a 6’3″ self claimed white man from USA is aloud to comment here and not the Ethiopians. By any measure the two people are much closer than a 6 feet reptile or an imaginary fishmilk from the Dead Sea.
            It is time for you to slither your way out quickly and quietly.
            A reptile stays the same even if it shades it’s skin. I will always find you even if you have many holes to hide. First, come clean and use your original nickname. This is your third time cheating everyone by changing your nickname.
            Kalihari Snake
            Blue Asmara
            Fishmilk
            Choose one and stick with it.
            I hate cheaters!
            Btw, I have no problem with your comments except your cheating habits.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Abi. I cannot stop you from making ludicrous accusations about my race, height and country of origin. I can only say that you are spending 24 x 7 of your time trolling Eritrean websites making half-witted, insulting, derogatory, deprecatory, and demeaning comments on anything and everything connected with Eritrea.

  • Bruno

    Dear Moderators,

    Any idea why Disqus marks my comment as spam? A lot is desired from their software. Can you pas that to them please? Just kidding.

    Even this may not make it to you. I shall see.

  • Kbrom

    Dear Gash Amde Ras Abi QenAzmach Admasse et al.
    Dear Awate Moderators

    There is a joke which goes like this. In mid 90’s PIA sent senior officials from EDF to learn English in UK. To follow up the situation after about 6 months PIA phoned to the Dean of the college of languages in UK, who received the call and replied ከመይሞ ስርናይዶ ወርቂ ኣሎና እንታይ ክንሰምዓካ። The teachers in the college started to master Tigrigna instead of the officials from Eritrea learning English.

    Since we in the AF have developed our Amharic enough to communicate with the kingdom of Ras Abi, I think it is not bad idea to test the Tigrigna/Arabic skills of our Ethiopian friends in AF.

    Gash Amde Ras Abi Admasse et al here is your class work, it is a closed book exam (it is not home work).

    Can you please kindly try to wright a 6 sentence poem in Tigrigna/Arabic on what ever topic you would choose.

    Juries
    Sal, SJ, Haile, Abrehet, iSem

    • Amde

      Selam Gash Kbrom,

      I have a confession to make on this topic.

      I believe two or three years ago, our resident bard, the great Kokhob Selam, produced one of his Tigrinya poems. Not knowing what came over me, I enthusiastically promised to translate it into Amharic and English. Of course he was gracious enough to give me permission. That was before his long absence due to health issues.

      Well, it is – I think – about 90 % done, but I was stumped with a few words. I tried to look up online but couldn’t find it. And poetry being poetry, dictionaries and thesauri can only help you so much.

      I tell myself “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” but the prospect of publicly disfiguring Kokhob Selam’s work didn’t sit well with my sense of decorum.

      So, it sits. The poem almost complete but not quite. Me at first too proud to ask for help, but now too ashamed to refer back to it. And Gash Kokhob Sekam probably disappointed in me.

      At this point, even this saga deserves a piece of its own. I think the word / phrases that stumped me are strictly Eritrean, and maybe even a bit of Ghedli jargon. The Angst of a Trans-Mereb Rhyme Stuck by a Ghedli Line.

      And now I have to find it, finish it, and suffer the verdict of the judges and the primary author. I would say Kokhob Selam deserves to be Chair Emeritus of the Jury.

      Amde

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Amde,
        You are honest man. I know the great Kokhob Selam’s heart has a warm spot for you. There is no greatness in a person that exceed humility and recognition of human-ness by aknowledging own limits. Be blessed brother.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Brother Amde.

        Thank you,

        My brain is not functioning well still. so I couldn’t remember what poem are you talking about..I have so many of them written here but tell me now.

        I even forgot how to touch typing now.. I was typing just more than 60 per minute..

        As our brother Ismail AA said it I have a warm spot for you. So please go a head.

        KS,,

    • Admassie

      Dear Kbrom
      What is this dual thing of you. The class work is becoming a hard home work confused what to do. Is the quest to demonistrate wheather we have developed enough Tigrign/Arabic to communicate with our brothers or whether we have enough skill writing poem in Tigrigna/Arebic?

      Again ጥያቄህን ለይ ክቡር.።
      Thank you.

      Admassie A.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Admassie A, I just wonder where Abiyi learned Tigrinya?

        • Admassie

          Selam Abraham
          He may give you the answer. But my wild guess is – ከቤቱ ከባለቤቱ ።

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam admassie
            Let me wild guess and make u happy like a kid.
            Not just kebetu kebalebetu but also his mama thought him when he was kid in agaro.

  • Admassie

    Selam Abi

    የደከመ አንበሳ ነው –ቁመናው የስለለ በጎፈሩ የሚፎልል
    ድንበር ግዛቱን አስረክቦ — ካድማስ ማዶ የሚሸልል!
    ኧረ ወግ ነው — አልሞት ባይ ተጋዳይነት
    ዙፋን እያስነጠቁ — ንጉሥ ሆኖ መታየት!!

    (ወገኖቼ እንዴት ነው ዝም ብላችሁ ታያላችሳ? ገላጋይ የለም እንዴ?!)

    Do you remeber Taras Bulba (if you have read) how he welcomes his two sons? This all is my ታራስ ቡልባኛ welcoming, though I am እንግዳ ለለሰፈሩ.

    Admassie A.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam abi
    Raw meat was not food until recently in tewodros ager.
    So it is more of central and South ethiopia food.

  • Saleh Johar

    Ras Abi,
    I know there was a tailor in Mercator who sold costumes made of Beles peals— did you buy the whole lot or what? This time I will make you wear one made of a fluffy fabric, even if I have send you a few as a Christmas gift. 🙂

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Abi,
    .
    Luel Ras Abi, I see you are in full from, gear and GIRMA.
    .
    Mr. K.H

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Hope, it is free and normal to hope but, unfortunately, as long as we have a demon in Eritrea who fears peace like fire, there will not be normal relations with our neighbors south of the Mereb.
    Congratulations to the peoples of Korea on this historic day, when peace and love have truimphed over state of war and hate. I pray that Trump would not spoil the cordial atmosphere that has been created between the two leaders of Korea during his forthcoming meetig with Kim Jong-un.
    PS. this year’s Nobel Peace prize should be given to the two leaders of Korea

  • Admassie

    ሰላም አቢ

    ( ወገኖቼ ሆይ ቀንዱን አሹሎ እየፎገላ የመጣብኝን አይታችኋል። እንግዲህ የጣለብኝን መቀበል ነው እንጂ ምን አደርጋለሁ? እናንተ ግን ፍንጥርጣሪው እንዳይደርስባችሁ አደራችሁን ገለል ገለል በሉ!)

    ያዝ እንግዲህ

    እንዲያ እየፎገላህ እንደ አባያ በሬ
    አራጠህ የቆምከው መጥተህ ከድንበሬ
    ምን ተነካሁ ብለህ ምን ተጎበረብኝ?
    ምን ተንጠቅኩ ብለህ ምን ተወስደብኝ?

    ዘራፍ!

    ፎካሪ ሳይኖር ባዶ የተውከው
    ተዋጊ ሳይኖር ጥለህ የሄድከው
    ወንበርህ እዛው ተጎልቶልህ
    ምን ስትሻ እኔ ዘንድ ታማትራለህ!

    ዘራፍ!

    ምን ልዑል ብትሆን ስምህ ቢጠራ
    ምን ራስ ብትሆን ዝናህ ቢዘራ
    ወንበር ይንጥቋል አይለገስም
    ሹመት ከሄደ አይመለስም
    እናም ግንባር ጥፎልህ ባዶ አገኘኸው
    ከዚህ በኋላ አጥብቀህ ያዘው
    በኔ እንዳታሳብ ብትነጠቀው!

    እንሆ

    አድማሴ አ/

  • Natom Habom

    selam awate
    dont t know the writer but i think he must be ignorant or live in another planet
    first ethiopia situation do not and will never influence eritrea ,only in mind of opposition
    that choosed full submission to ethiopia ,second assab will not be again a port for ethiopia
    it will be a miliatary zone for eritrea and its friend because no one can guarrranty ethiopia temptation for invasion woyane itself is barking that he didnt fight for badime that there is somethink else ,as impredictible is ethiopia .if they are intersted massawa will be a good deal ether way they can go to hell ,its ten time better for eritrea if they use Djibouti or Hargeisa
    so opposition as irelevant already you are you better think a way out by thinking for your own homeland from the quagmire you have put yourself ,lobbying for ethiopia wont help you to change the bad image you have already ,it just show you are a tools or puppet for ethiopia

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear NH,

      Why you don’t keep hoping like me, for peace of both nations? Isn’t the time for peace internationally!! Be optimistic and think let your brain be timeless and keep it up for that Eritrea..will never be under Ethiopia.Only both nations will work together…against all odds.

      KS,,

      • Natom Habom

        selam kokob there is no together any more
        ye woga biresa yetewega ayresam
        its need time for the wound to heal
        thrust is dead

        • FishMilk

          Hi Natom Habom. You are indeed correct in that trust between Ethiopia and Eritrea is dead and the party at fault is Ethiopia who has reneged on a peace agreement. Demographics of commenters here are no doubt strongly in favor of either Ethiopians (mainly TPLF supporters) or unionists and the general mood of posts here clearly does not represent the feeling of most Eritreans. Strange it is for Ethiopians and unionists here, that do not even choose to live in Ethiopia, to go to exaggerated great lengths to convince others just how wonderful a place Ethiopia is, in the process avoiding that it is currently in a State of Emergency and is being investigated for gross human rights violations. I find it incredible that Ethiopians and unionists here wish to profess their close sibling connection with Eritreans all at the same time that their illegal occupation and economic isolationIst strategy is doing great harm to average Eritreans. It’s time for Ethiopians and unionist commenters here to return and live in Ethiopia and walk the talk! Otherwise, they are simply being hypocritical cowards!

          • blink

            Dear FM
            The unionist in this forum are just old brats who has no clue how Eritreans are , they have no shame to say a word about a place and people they don’t care . The streets of Eritreans don’t air any of their Ethiopian politics . Away from Ethiopia must be done through systematic work.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Kokhab Selam. Noble it is to wish for peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea. At the same time, it is Insultingly inarticulate and incoherent to act ignorant to the fact that Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy Eritrea and that this is the reason why peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea is not possible, irrespective of whom is governing Eritrea.

      • Peace!

        عام ኮከቤ,

        Addressing reality in a sense of ውሕጅ ከይመጸካ መንገዲ ውሕጅ ጽረግ is not different from hoping for peace. What got us in the hot mess we are in is not because our fathers and grandfathers did not hope for peace rather some fringe elements tried stubbornly to remake the country. And now, sadly, history is repeating itself that Eritrea is now in its weak position so trying the deadly dose one more time appears the main mission of people with old dream disguised as part of opposition groups. Look at this forum fully dominated by people with ካብ ትግራይ ዘይውለድ ጭዋ ነይኮነ slogan as if the rest of Eritreans are useless. If this is considered hope for peace, then the term has different meaning.

        Peace!

      • Natom Habom

        selam kokhob
        we will have peace but no friendship ,the war ,the plots .fake accusattion for sanction woyane has used it s good friendship with the west to harm eritrea
        as much as possible and honestly the damage is to high
        Eritrea endured though time and very very dangerous situation
        it come out victorious and more powerful than ever
        as i said also there was though time and lot of pain
        this is why we cannot forget or can forgive easily

    • Mez

      Dear Natom,
      Why you think:
      1) the writer is ignorant,
      2) Eritrea wouldn’t benefit from the peace dividend with Ethiopia,
      3) you beleive oppositions are irrilevat.

      Thanks

      • Natom Habom

        selam Mez
        peace with who ???
        remember there was already peace Agrement ,is it not woyane that relinquishing on the deal
        but I am against any economic relation even after peace
        we should built a wall

        • Mez

          Dear Natom,

          “….peace with who ???…”

          1) A very fundamental question indeed. I will guss peace with any one who wants the nation and the region to be peaceful and struving.

          2) Woyane, and i may add EPLF, are complicated political creatures. In both cases the key policy makers are from approximately the same era and with similar exposure to:
          2.1) home grown traditional politics and policies. Similar religious norm and dogma,
          2.2) the same, imported, left leaning political/ideological views,
          2.3) no in-depth understending and use of (applied) sciences,
          3) They both benefited immensely from the existence of the other–if no EPLF, then no TPLF & if no TPLF, then no EPLF–they are coupled to each other in every aspect of political security, economic policy outlook, you name it,
          4) they both believe, they are the uniquely best organization in the region and across the continent,
          5) they immensely–in contravention and againest all international and cusomary laws–benefited from the destitute and subsistence farmers in both countries (which still accounts over 80% of their respective population).

          This is the real mess what we have.

          Thanks

          • Amde

            Mez,

            Very good observation.

          • Natom Habom

            selam Mez
            your comparison is rubbish there is absolutely nothing similar
            don t want to argument in this case and about benefiting from destitute farmer I really don t know what you mean but when it come to farmer GOE teached trained how to be productive by introducing irrigation,water dam ,fertilizer ,protecting land erosion ,introduction of selective crop that can have more production with few water ,eritrean now have enough food for themself even the government pushed the afar and other traditionaly nomade to try in farming in their arid land and its a success ,
            so please to compare with the thief woyane that steal land from the poor let alone help them and selling it in front of their eyes to foreigner to produce flowers isn t what woyane is known for ,
            selling baby for hard currency even stealing baby fromp poor mothers
            and selling them as orphan ,how can you compare dignifie GOE with
            garbage woyane ??
            please have some humlity

          • Mez

            Dear Natom,

            You may be correct, I have no idea. Apparently we are reading two quite diverging data pools.

            Thanks

          • blink

            Dear Mez
            It’s just irresponsible of you to categorize EPLF with the current situation and yet bring TPLF with it’s billions of dollars. EPLF main motive was to eradicate foreign genocidere from Eritrean land that has been achieved while the whole world was watching.EPLF as an organization was the guardian of the oppressed and muscled out Soviet backed killer . I don’t understand How applied science come to this but it was EPLF who used to it’s teeth be it in health sector, military and so many fields. EPLF was dead long time ago. The dishonesty of some people trying to use EPLF for the current problem is simply beyond any logical explanation.EPLF the guardian of the oppressed ,humiliated people and died burning just to it’s job . Under EPLF the civilian society was not harassed like the PFDJ is doing.The civilian society under EPLF was a man made heavenly choice to be .

          • Mez

            Dear Blink,
            Please try to understand their inner working mechanism–this after-the-fact.

            Thanks

          • blink

            Dear Mez
            EPLF was organised like no other to make a dream reality while TPLF was trying to creat a Tigray country on the back side of the Ethiopian people . The intra party mechanisms can be said in different way by different people yet EPLF still remain the glowing defender of the people.

            I think we should agree to disagree on this .

          • Mez

            Dear blink,

            I am talking about their inner working mechanism, not their political goal.

            Thanks

          • blink

            Dear Mez
            Just for the time being of going back to your soul.

            https://youtu.be/l7hy4uHw2k8

            It will not hurt

          • Mez

            Dear Blink,

            I checked it out.

            Thank you

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            U said ” tplf is alive with it’s billions of dollars and eplf is dead long time ago”.
            What is the purpose of this kind of statement? I mean think of tplf and eplf where were they 26 years ago and think of them now where r they at. But i still know what u trying to say but nonsense.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            What I meant was that there is no EPLF at the moment .

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            O really. The chairman of eplf was isaias than and the president of eritrea is isaias now.
            It is like u saying there is no tlf but there is tplf kind of thing.
            But i can tell u this tplf is almost dead outside of tigrai now and pia is in a full control of eritrea even though i disagree with his type of ruling. He is wining over tplf.

  • Saleh Johar

    Woooo Ras Abi,
    It seems you have unearthed Tedros’ guraadie! Try to sharpen it, it must have rusted. Otherwise the admategna have machine guns this time. Anyone with Brunddo will have to get a health certificate before bringing it in. And remember, I love Ethiopians so much and would love them more if not for the Brunddo neger. Now I will have to skip lunch just because of remembering it.

    Welcome home…

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Good news soon coming Eritrea’s way by the look at international Eritrean mining stock reaction today. NEVSUN up more than 4.3% on the day, other positions also flying.

  • halafi mengedi

    Hi,
    A quarter of a century since Eritrea’s referendum day! Reflections! Reflections!
    hm

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam halafi mengedi
      Here is a quote that amuses me (for its wit) and deeply saddens me. It is from a wall in a class in Sawa. እንካ ኣዝግነኒ ፡ ብምንታይ ፡ ብሳዋ ፡ እንታይ ኣለካ ብዓል ሳዋ ፡ ሪፈረንደም እባ ሕጂ ድገሙዋ!
      How wonderful and unreal it was and what it has ended up to mean.

      • halafi mengedi

        Abrehet,
        If I may ask, what did it end up mean to you or in general to Eritreans?
        hm

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam halafi mengedi
          A sovereign country that is a continuum from an open to a tightly closed prison.

          • halafi mengedi

            Abrehet,

            I tend to think of referendum/May 24 as binary events that gave us the tremendous opportunity to determine our own destiny. That way their meaning doesn’t change. We, of course, screwed up and made a mess with that opportunity.

            hm

          • Kbrom

            Hi hm & Abrehet

            I cant agree more dear hm; the problem with both the supporters and justice seekers is that they do not delimitate in clear lines PFDJ(PIA) and its brutal acts as opposed to our national sovereignty and territorial integrity and the price payed by the entire people.

            Nothing has changed as far as Eritreans are concerned in the agency and structure of their sacrifice, hence their aspiration, to have a free, sovereign and independent state.

            I would argue we would have a 99.9% vote for independence, if the referendum were to be repeated again, because collectively as people we have seen more and more what would losing our sovereignty mean from countries such as Iraq, Libya etc.

          • Kbrom

            Dear hm & Abrehetey

            I believe you also remember some of the Eritrean mothers’ quickly – produced and generated songs of that time:

            ሰሚር ሳንባር መዓረየ ሰሚሩለይ ዚ ልበየ – ሰይሰይ!
            ኣብ ኢደይ ዘላ ሽቦየ ንቡጥሮስ ቃሊ ክህቦየ

            Thanks god, this was in 1993 during hey days, otherwise in today’s context the mothers would be sent to Adi Abeto, for contesting the mighty of PIA and sharing it with the UN representative – ‘ወይጦታት መጋበርያ ምዕራብ’ why are you not singing ወዲ ኣፎም ብሪ ንሱ ኣንበሳ ዓሳክሩ ነብሪ!

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Kibrom
            It was amazing time. All the blue shifons. And blue idiat zuria with the Eritrea written on it (very enterprising dorze I must say). Even blue gogo. Aye we zinebere TaHguas. And the songs. ይዋኢኻ ነዚኣ ዘይረኣኻ። And now we say to the many elders who passed, ተዓዲልኩም ነዚ ዘይረኣኹም።

          • Kbrom

            Hello Abrehet

            Indeed, the country that was promised to be Singapore became a land of Singer and Poor!

          • Haile S.

            ሓደርካ ክብሮም፡

            ኣንበሳን ነብሪን ነይ’ኮኑ መማኽርቲ
            ክሳደይ ንዓቃቢቶኻ! ጸጸር ውሐጥቲ
            ዘረኽብ ዘይብሎም መሓልቲ ጠሓልቲ
            ሓደ ኣብ ሜዳ-በረኻ፡ ሓደ ዱር ሓደርቲ
            ተቀራርቦም፡ ብስጋ ኣዝማድ፡ ስጋ ተመገብቲ
            መከራ ዝጀመረ ዶ’ይኮነን ምስ ኮኑ ኣመሓደርቲ።

          • Kbrom

            ሰላምን ጥዕናን ንዓኻ

            ሓኔታ ሃይለ ፈኖ በዓል ፋረ
            በዓል ዋልታን ጭማራን በዓል ስረ
            እንተ ናይቲ ‘እንበሳ
            ጠቕላል ኩሉ ኣበሳ
            ኩሉ ነዓይ
            ኩሉ ስለይ
            ሓቕኻ ልክዕ ተዛረብካ
            እንተ እቶም ‘ኣናብር’
            ‘ኣንበሳ’ ምስመንጠሎም ኣጻፍር
            ሻቡ ምስኣሻደንዎ ክዕንድር
            ንሶም ሲ ዘይግዳይ ዝኾኑ
            ስጋ ዝቕርቡ እምበር ዘይካፈሉ
            እቲ ጌጋ ካብቲ ደርፊዩ ብሱሩ
            ኣንበሳ ደኣ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ እንደኣሉ

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            You better it, brother.

            ክብሮም ሓወይ ጅር-ኣንበሳ
            ኤርትራዊ ይግብኦ ብርሃን ሞገሳ
            ሓቅኻ
            ኣንበሳ ደኣ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ እንደኣሉ
            ተጸማሚ ዝዓበጦ ሓይሊ ክሳብ ዝዓሉ።

      • blink

        Dear Abrhet
        Do you really believe the referendum will not pass even at 50% at this time ?

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam blink
          I belive it will pass much higher percent. When students write on a wall, they dont mean it literaly. For me it is more of a sarcastic expression of the reality. The people are not given an opprtunity to elect or choose in a free and fair manner. Those in power do not trust the people to give them an opportunity to choose or elect. These observation or sentiments are expressed in a sarcastic manner in dark humour.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selam Ras Abi,

    Welcome Home! You have been missed like no other.

  • blink

    Dear Abi
    welcome back . where is sahay your identical twin brother ? He is over there trashing people lol , i hate you both.

  • Berhe Y

    Dear Abi,

    Welcome. But I don’t think all this ululation and celebration for your come back is good for you. It may get to your head:). Specially now you share your name with the PM.

    It may turn you into IA, which I think the reason why he turned out to be.

    Berhe

  • Mez

    Good day every one,

    I wish Gheteb too would come back and enrich us with his view.

    Thanks

    • Hope

      Selam Mez:
      I second U,provided the Forum and the Site allows and respects the view of others,irrespective of their origin,color,region,religion,stand and position as well as an affiliation with any entity..,,including with the PFDJ!

      • Mez

        Dear Hope,

        Yes, correct “….including with the PFDJ!….”

        We have to start somewhere to persuade each other. Tolerate, and learn from other views–political and social outlooks.

        I highly wish to see some strong YPFDJs among us; they shall be open for a civil debate. That is it.

        Thanks

  • Kbrom

    Hi all,

    After Kim Jong Un became first North Korean leader to visit South

    Now it is officially ……….

    North Korean Ambassador to UN: “Stop Calling Eritrea the North Korea of Africa”

    New York— North Korean Ambassador to the UN, Sin Son-ho, in a rare Q&A session he gave to members of the press fielded questions about the future of his country, his country’s policies as well as other important geopolitical developments in the Korean peninsula.
    Though the Ambassador failed to provide anything significantly different from information gotten from official DPRK government sources , he nonetheless provided a very scathing rebuke to the press community for the lacking and intentionally misguiding coverage of his country that would compare it to Eritrea.

    ” THE DPRK IS A VERY DEVELOPED NATION THAT SUSTAINS ITSELF THROUGH THE RIGHTEOUS PRINCIPLES OF SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY AND ITS CAPABLE LEADERSHIP– AS SUCH, SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED TO ERITREA.” HE TOLD REPORTERS.

    The Ambassador further went to on to compare and contrast his country with the East African nation and outlined how his country is very quite advanced and responsible as opposed to Eritrea.

    ” WE KNOW THE SENSATIONALIST AND REACTIONARY JAPANESE MEDIA WORKS FULL-TIME TO PAINT OUR GLORIOUS DEAR LEADER IN NEGATIVE LIGHT– AS THEY ARE THE ONES WHO COME UP WITH THE NEGATIVE TERMINOLOGY– COMPARING HIM WITH AN UNELECTED, OLD AND SENILE AFRICAN DICTATOR OF A SAD LITTLE NATION.” AMBASSADOR SON SAID.

    Ambassador Son further went on to compare the accomplishments of DPRK Premier Kim Sung-il versus that of Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea, who he kept referring to as “that senile idiot” through his briefing.

    ” THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR GLORIOUS DEAR LEADER, THE DPRK IS A VERY PROGRESSIVE NATION THAT HAS THE MOST ADVANCED NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN ITS ARSENAL– WHEREAS THAT SENILE IDIOT IN ERITREA HASN’T EVEN BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE THE ADI HALO DAM, HE UNDERLINED.”

    The Korean Ambassador concluded his remarks by imploring the media community to base its information on official and trustworthy accounts, such as the Korean Central News Agency as well as other media outlets based in the DPRK.

    Source The Awaze Tribune

    ………Satire

    ክላእ ኣምደ ዝብሉኻስ ቅጭ መምጽኢ

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Kbrom,
      Glad to have back; your leave without pay was a bit long. This is pretty hilarious though, short of some adjectives and the setting, not very much off the mark from reality.

      • Kbrom

        ሰላም Ismail

        ክቡር የኽብረካ መጠን ነብሱ ከምዝበሃል ክቡር ብሙኻንካ ኢኻ ሰባት ተኽብር። ብሰማይ ክበር እዚ ሓወይ!

        • Haile S.

          Sekam Kbrom and Ismail AA,
          ኣነስ ብምድሪ ክበር እየ ዝብሎ። ከነኽብሮ’ውን ኣለና። ናይ ሰማይ ድሓር የርክበሉ።

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Aya Haile S.
            The full version of that blessing is ብሰማይ ክበሩ፤ ዓደቦኹም ኣናብሩ። The good ancestors thought having the ability to take care of your country a higher blessing than ናይ ምድሪ ክብረት . ናይ ምድሪ ክብረት leads to ego and conflict መን ይኽበር? መን የኽብር ? On the other hand while we cannot be sure whether there is kibret in semay or not, if one leaves good legacy, then he is remembered ኣብ ምድሪ, and it works for you as well.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣብርሀት ሓውተይ፡
            ምሳኺ ተኸራኺረ ከመይ ክወጾ በጃኺ
            ቁምነገር ፈልፋሊት መንጎኛ ንስኺ
            ኣሽንኳይ’ዶ ደቂ ሰብ ዝተፋጠጡ
            ትፍትኒ ክትዓርቂ ምስ ፈጣሪ ዝጓሰጡ

          • Kbrom

            ሰላም ኣብሻይ ኣብረሀት

            You are right, actually it was by design that I omitted what they say ዓጽምኹም ይኽበር because it is so reactionary. When ሽማግለታት go to the bridegrooms parents to say ጎቦ ክትኮኑና መጸግዒ ጎልጎል ክትኮኑና መሳፍሒ ጓልኩም ሃቡና ንብል ኣሎና the parents will say ክንመክር ግዜ ሃቡና unfortunately the ክንመክር is vetting ዓጽሞም ጽሩይ ዲዩ ዓጽሞም ክቡር ዲዩ?

            BTW why do even the girls who should fight for their independence say ናብ ስድራይ ሽማግለ ሰዲድካ ጓልኩም ሃቡና በልዎም as if she is a commodity to be given and taken.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Kibrom,
            There is something higher than independence when you form a partnership, it is interdependence. Involving family, makes this interdependence stronger. A man who sends shimagle to the woman’s family first has to involve his own family. This expands the netwrok that will continue to be there to support the new family. There is a certain gracefulness to the idea of the family approving, it also sends the message to the groom that the woman had a family that will defend her if needed. Incidentaly, even in the west the tradition continues. The man asks the father for his daughter’s hand even it is symbolic.

            On the issue of kinmekr, it is a vetting process, obviously some of it based misinformed ideas.

            It would be interesting what a modern day family would list as desirable qualities for a son in law.

      • Kbrom

        Dear Ismail

        I have almost all Abrar’s lyrics in Tigrigna as he is one of the best song writers and singer in our generation. Can you please share with us what he says in his love song Rumanaye (Saho).

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Kbrom,

          It’s great that you have admirable taste for art.

          No doubt Abrar Osman counts as uniquely placed versatile artist of his generation. His songs in every language he uses are rich in purpose and aesthetic value. His music in his mother tongue language amazingly synthesize the old and the modern in relation to the Saho song.You can easily follow the harmony between traditional drum and hand clap rhythm with multiple tunes of modern musical instruments.

          Thus, his “rumanaye” song represents the traditional Saho love songs as manifested through modern lyrics and musical instruments. First, I draw your attention to the name “rumana” (singular) which reflects the natural beauty a pomegranate fruits embodies. Parents (mostly Moslems) choose it to admire the beauty of their daughters. The writer of the lyrics (not aware who the author was) must have had great appreciation for color of pomegranate fruit to compare it to female beauty.

          The lyrics tell about a person (male in this case) who has irredeemable fallen in love. This of course is common to many cultures. Abrar expresses through these lyrics predicaments and hopes of the lover to the loved in so many different ways. The intensity is beautifully related to sleeplessness of the heart and exhaustion of organs such as the eyes through sleeplessness of the heart that endurance of excruciating flames, but at the same the soothing feeling given by presence of the loved in the mind.

          For example: He says “ሩማና ሩማናየ ኩካሓኖህ ቃልቢ ዲን ዋየ”
          [ሩማናየ ብፍቕርኪ ልበይ ድቃስ ስኢኑ]; and proceeds to add:
          “ካሓኖ ኣካናም ናባምኮ ኣብራ
          ኣምቡሊንናሓክ ኦራብታ ኢብራ
          ናጋ ኣካኒ ኣፍዓዶ ሙዳ
          ኮክታንገለ ቢሊ ሪሚዳ”

          “ፍቅሪ ማለት ብዓቢኡ ማርፍእ
          ካይተራእየት ትኣቱ መርፍእ
          ደሓን ኣለኩ ኣናበልካ ልቢ ተወግእ
          ትሓውውሰላካ ሰራውር ደምካ”

          I hope this rather cursory points will answer some of your questions about Abrar’s song. These remarks could lack skill of an art review professional. I hope better placed brothers and sisters in this forum would be challenged to correct shortcomings and add to our perspective.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail,
            You are the unadulterated natural reviewer. I am sure you make the professional art reviewer envious. The professional need to make an effort, tries to adhere to procedures and defined criteria that often dilutes the natural. I had a pleasant surprise of your hidden talents. Thanks

          • Kbrom

            Dear Ismail

            ክብረት ይሃበለይ ተገዲስካ ብምትርጓምካ።

            Thank you for sharing this beautiful lyrics, indeed C’est sublime as Haile would like to put it. One of my favourite songs is Abrar’s ሚእቲ ካብ ሚእቲ in which he proved his ability to make his audience see his romantic story with their ears.

            Unlike the mundane comforting sense of predictability that we hear in many songs, with clichés of ክሳድኪ ብርለ ማዓንጣኺ ክራር፡ ጮግርኺ ናይ ፈረስ፡ ዓይንኺ ዑንጉለ ወዘተ Abrar’s songs build energy as they proceed.

            However, it is not the content of his description only that gives beauty to his albums; his ability to compose a strong relationship between his songs melodic shape, lyrics and chords is also one of his strengths.

            The flawless flow of the love story leaves you with comfort in amongst the unknown scenarios – some times leaving you dangled in the cliffs of his un-concluded statement – as in ወይ መድሃኒት ሃቢ ወይ መድሃኒት ኩኒ – in his song ሚእቲ ካብ ሚእቲ::

            ……እንተኽፈቱ
            ወይ’ውን ክጸልእ
            ክዉን ክዛረብ
            በታ ዝፈልጣ
            መልክዐኛ ኢኺ፣
            ናይ ጸሓይ ማንታ

            ካብቲ ዘይርስዖ፣ ስእሊ ናይታ ምሸት
            ኮፍ ኢልኪ በይንኺ፣ ዘይብልኪ ጎረቤት
            ኣብቲ ድሙቕ ብርሃን፣ ደቢኑ ዙርያኺ
            ብኣካል ቀረባ፣ ብመንፈስ ርሒቕኪ

            ጋሻ ነብሰይ ኮይነ፣ እኽለ ማይ ኣብዩኒ
            ወይ መድሃኒት ሃቢ ወይ መድሃኒት ኩኒ

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. PM is already having a dramatic impact on Ethiopia’s economy as Pizza Hut has just opened in Addis Ababa. Seriously though, do you think it will fly there with so many other cheaper options such as Afoi?

    • Paulos

      Selam FM,

      The concern should be the reverse. Giant corporations can out compete small businesses in the long run as the social mobility particularly in Addis is fast and furious if you will. Of course, one can make the argument that, the franchise is owned by Ethiopians and they are creating jobs as well but again I say, the government ought to levy heavy taxes on the giant corporations so that as the price tag for their product is set high, only the few wealthy can and would afford it.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Paulos. I’ve read that the prices at the Pizza Hut in AA are quite high, so I guess it is the richer population segment that is/will be the main customer base. Kind of sad seeing U.S. fast food chains invading other countries. I guess the U.S. wishes everyone to enjoy obesity and high cholesterol. Admittedly though, I still have a weakness for Fillet-O-Fish.

        • Paulos

          Selam FM,

          Again the upside of the argument is that the multinational corporations are creating jobs and the franchise is owned by the locals [The owner of Pizza Hut is family friend] and certainly it can boost the economy as well.

          One thing we should keep in mind is that, Ethiopia is not out of the woods yet, it is still a poor country where the average person lives below the poverty line and it is too early to have any concern about the obesity pandemic.

          Here is something interesting to consider: Soft drinks have been in Ethiopia for ages but the fact that it is made of natural sugarcane as opposed to here in North America where it is made of high fructose corn syrup, its impact on bad health is minimum in comparison that is. In fact, the taste of say, Coca Cola in Ethiopia is so great in comparison to the brand here in North America.

          The same can be said about burgers as well. Franchise burger centers are sprouting particularly in Addis, “In N’ Out” for instance. Here, the cows are fed with corns in a bid to make them huge and fat but the fact that it is not a natural staple food for the cows, it causes them severe diarrhea and when they give them antibiotics for the diarrhea, the antibiotics makes them big and fat as well. It is a win-win situation for the owners but you can imagine the health impact on the consumers. But in Ethiopia, the burgers to my understanding are made from grass-fed cows. And the health hazard could be less.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Paulos. In N’ Out is not from the real chain…..no? Nor is the Intercontinental Hotel. And for sure Konjo Fried Chicken (KFC) is not the real deal:). I agree that soft drinks taste better from cane sugar. Some of the old timers in the States have told me the same from their memories of days of old when C&H (California and Hawaii) cane sugar was a big deal and used in soft drinks. Regarding Ethiopia cows, meat, eggs, etc, the picture is rapidly changing and one no longer gets the real organic stuff so easily or cheaply. Village chickens and eggs for example are more expensive and normally no longer used at hotels. Addis Ababa still does not really have burger preparation down pat. There are only a couple of places that use pure beef (not mixed with bread) and as there is little fat in the mix, meat patties seem too dry.

          • Paulos

            FM,

            Maybe not a real franchise as we know it here but it has the standard where “Kaldis” for instance, is so crappy in comparison as it tries to stand out as kinda Starbucks wanna-be. I agree with the rest you pointed out.

          • Kaddis

            Dear Paulos,
            With my humble travel expirience, Starbucks coffee ( rather milk in a huge jar with some coffee ) is not comparable with our Kaldis or the Garden of coffee ( new high end ) shops. The quality of coffee consumed in Ethiopia improved as the purchasing power get stronger. fast food chain, though I agree on their unhealthy features, but they bring a lot of goodwill to any city. Their growth will be limited as profit repatriation in $$ and importing flavours is hard. So worry less :))-

          • Selam FishMilk,

            It is true that pure ground meat is dry and not so tasty when cooked. Recently i watched on tv how the famous american and canadian burgers sold all over the world are made. I could not believe when i saw that the white (yellow) marrow in the long bones of the front and back legs of the animal is mixed in to the ground meat to make it soft, juicy and tasty. This is mainly fat, contains high calories and unhealthy. Here bread is preferred as a mix to ground meat to make it soft.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Fishmilk; i happened to bypass and read your convo with you and P and i must say a word before i go on with my business. i will be back next month but i just want to share this clip for now. hell will freeze over before fast food comes to Eritrea. let the Ethiopians have it, that way they will get fat and obese unable to fight Eritrea. I encourage the Ethiopians to open more fast food. in Eritrea, NEVER! food is medicine and Eritrea should stay out of this poison and i will make sure of that.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyMTSvVAtWM

          • Mez

            Hi Nitricc,

            I thought I saw you yesterday by McDonalds; Am I wrong?

            Thanks

  • Taazabi

    Dear Awates
    Greetings.
    When I gave it a deeper thought and scrutiny about the
    political development ethiopia is going thru, I just kind
    of learned that PM Abiy Ahmed is just playing a foolish
    game against the developing political change ethiopia
    has accrued so far like some ambitious but unrealistic
    politicians the world have seen so far.
    Two main examples or cases being…………..
    ( coming back soon )
    I do not want to say it but he should make the decision
    either to stay or to Go himself. He better be an official
    in the Oromia state gov’t.
    I feel he represents only the past and not the present
    reality of the country.

  • Kbrom

    Dear Awate readers
    I am feeling a bit jealous when much of Awate Forum’s space and brain is discussing much about Ethiopia rather than about our country which is still facing a great challenge. I do not mean that we should not discuss about Ethiopia, I am just trying to make a gentle reminder to see the reasonable proportion because some times ጻሕሊ ጎረቤትካ ከተኽውስ ክትብል ጻሕሊ ገዛኻ ኪሓርር ስለዝኽእል።

    Amde, Admass, Abi et al. I really want to learn a lot from you as usual; please take this reminder as a humble call for more of your participation but with in both (Eritrean and Ethiopian) issues. We can learn a lot from your sober, matured and respectful manners of discussing issue so that we can stop what Bruno put as ‘ትግሪና ቆርቆሮ ሳይነኩት ይጮሃል’!

    If it helps, let me start this thread which discusses about Eritrean poems and Poets. I am not sure how many of us would know about Beyene Haile Mariam. Beyene is one of the most talented Eritrean Poets who has captivated its readers for many years. Regardless of the time he wrote, Beyene has used his talents and ways of Tigrigna language to connect with readers of three generations. His poems and lyrics has the ability to make people see with their ears. He writes what he believes, he writes to inspire, and himself has lived vicariously through the stories on his poems.

    One of my favorite lyrics penned by Beyene is ቅጥንጥን ዝበልኪ ቀጣንየ ቀጣንየ፡ ቃነኣ ዘይቅየር ከም ቃና ናይ ማየ!

    As they say ‘poetry is often illusory, and full of rich imagery or hidden meaning’. It is these elements which provoke Beyene his readers with, to dig deeper by putting historical perspective. The best poems and poets are read throughout the ages. They are passed from generation to generation and taught throughout school to young students.

    Beyen has the ability to take readers to places and into worlds they’ve never imagined፤ in this poem I chose for today, Beyene takes us to the notoriouse ኣለም በቃን where he suffered a lot as a POW.

    Who was the one who said ‘poets can often be tortured souls or great thinkers who allow readers a new view on the world which they never would have imagined’. Indeed, Beyene is one of them because he can provide the kind of emotional connection to the written word that few can.

    ከም ቆሎ መሸላ is a well written poem that tells about prisoners’ ordeal in ኣለም በቃኝ in which Beyene calls his inmates to laugh at the agony. He used the analogy of the cheerful sounds of pop corn it makes even when it is fried in the hottest pan. ከም መሸላ ከም ኮደን: ሰሓቕ እወ ባህ ኣይበሎ: እናበሰልካ ኣብ ርሱን መቕሎ!!

    ከም ቆሎ መሸላ

    “ኣሎኹ” ከም ትብል
    ዘይትጠፍእ ሽምዓ
    ፈትላ ‘ናተኸኸ ‘ናመኸኸ ስምዓ
    እናነብዕት’ወ ንፋስ እናላሃማ
    ከም እተስለምልም ጥዋፍ
    እትሓድር ቆይማ።

    እንታይ’ዶ ይግበር’ዩ …
    እናተበራረዩ …

    ሓፍ ከይበሉ ሃፍ ዝበሉ
    ጢማ-ሚና ሽሉ-ምሉ!
    ኣይሓጣእካ ኣይኣበስካ
    ውጉዝ ኩኑን ‘ተበሉኻ
    ብዘይ ንሕፈት ብዘይ ሒንዳ
    ከም ኣርዮስ ከም ይሁዳ
    ጸላእኩኻ ቀንጣእኩኻ
    ማሕላይ ጣልማይ ‘ተበሉኻ
    ኣይትከማህ ‘ታይ ግድኻ።

    ኣይትረታዕ ኣይትሰነን
    ከም መሸላ ከም ኮደን
    ሰሓቕ እወ ባህ ኣይበሎ
    እናበሰልካ ኣብ ርሱን መቕሎ
    ኣንጣእጣእ ‘ወ ቆሎ ኴንካ
    እናዓንበብካ እናሓረርካ።

    በየነ ሃይለማርያም
    ቤት-ማእሰርቲ ኣለም-በቃኝ
    1985

    • Haile S.

      Kbrom,
      C’est sublime! Come with another. Are his poems published?
      Good night. ነዛ ግጥሚ እናስለምለምኩ ክሓድር’የ።

      • Kbrom

        Hailat Abi seb

        En effet, ça l’est. I am not sure if any of his poems are published, but will try to come with one of his masterpieces. ቃል ትኹነኒ!

    • Admassie

      Selam Kbrom

      Just to confess (feeling ashamed) i do not have the experience of reading ትግርኛ poems.

      Great. ብቁጣዕ ዘይኮነስ ብኒሕ ቃንዝኡ ኣስሚዑና። Thanks. ብኡኡ ኣቢሉ ንከበደች ተ/አብን ኣብ ግዜ ማእሰርቲ ዝጽሓፈቶም ግጥምታታን አዘኪሩኒ። ከበደች ንእስነታ ኣብ ሶማልያ ኣብ ማእሰርቲ ዘሕለፈት ገጣሚት’ያ።

      Admassie A.

  • said

    greetings,
    Since the fall of the dark days of Derg, which governed Ethiopia as well Eritrea as colonized satellite state, since then Ethiopia had had only one ruler after another from one party EPRDF; Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed will not be a strong-armed, nor apologetically clannish dictator. PMAA will be sincere reformer and should focus in basic to start with , every Ethiopian should universally must have availability of food, clean water, health, education ,energy, road, sewage, electricity, food supply chain, and essential services , that take care of its energy needs ,particularly electricity in the short term and hydrocarbons in the medium term. Good availability of food and water. This is likely the biggest challenge and concern for most people. Ethiopia has the potential to be net exporters of food, to raise standards of living, the new Ethiopia that has a stable democratic government, and has an efficient police force and army composed from across the nation ,as last resort at maintaining the peace and security and law abiding , Abiy means business that Ethiopia meant to open its doors the country up to the outside world economically. PMAA should cultivated ties with potential patrons, including Russia, Europe, and China and beyond. More important, Abiy should began to improve strong relations with other eastern African states. Improve Cross-border disputes related economies, Ethiopia should start to sell massive surplus and usage of energy to neighbouring countries and exploit vast an-taped natural resources and create added value manufacturing industries ,encourage small business and private sector, etc, and try to solve badaem and the border and should gradually be solved and hand it to Eritrea, done with it. If history is any guide, the good news is that it won’t result in complete disaster, Ethiopia many issue hard to solve ,it is facing US dollar shortage, ,it should find alternative USD . Nobody can say exactly how the collapse of the “almighty” US dollar will unfold, but you can bet that most people will be unprepared if and when it happens. If BRICS create a new international trade currency, the damage to the dollar will be enormous. The Bank of Russia has already signed an agreement with China to set up a bilateral gold trade which should be formulated and functional in 2018. Ethiopia have a lot gold mining potential and Ethiopia should learn from BRICS and join the New International Trade Currency. Given the global nature of world market – particularly how oil is denominated in USD, it’s likely that every economy will be significantly impacted. A shift to an international currency would likely occur quite quickly – one that includes a basket of currencies and a significant amount of precious metal backing (gold, silver). Countries are also likely to bypass the USD and enter into direct trade deals with each other – China has already started this with Russia, Brazil, south Africa, Australia and a number of other countries. This lowers the impact of USD exposure. With countries throughout the world, including Turkey, Venezuela and Iran beginning to trade in national currencies or in Chinese Yuan, the power of the US Dollar as a standard trading and reserve currency is being actively and openly undermined by China, Russia and their trading partners. This of course is perfectly legal as countries can trade in any currency they wish. They can even use barter as a means of exchange.
    Today, EPRDF Ethiopia has all the appearances of a country on the rise. It is prosperous and stable by the standards of the horn Africa and region. But appearances can be deceptive. Beneficial though’s EPRDF PMAA reforms, he might be, their uses are might be merely counterfeit. The cool logic behind them is that they help EPRDF consolidate power and endear to thier subjects. In a place such as Ethiopia, the tactics of near past the leader use may be liberal or draconian, but the outcome is the same: EPRDF Ethiopia is not going to be anything other than a centralized state where the EPRDF has great power.

    Evaluating the Reforms. What has the liberalization of EPRDF Ethiopia accomplished? Economic prosperity yes to some degree ? but Not really to what should be . The structure of the economy is largely the same as it has always been, dependent as it is on coffee and flower export and light materials and extractive industries and on the country that buy their most imported. Inflation is still high and unemployment very high, as millions go without work. The state is still active in the financial banking sector and many sector of economics .
    The end of strongman rule? Not so fast. Yes, some of EPRDF Ethiopia opponents have been released from prison and their power curbed. Yes, Ethiopia National Security Service, which unofficially controlled all spheres of life under EPRDF Ethiopia has been some how neutered, and non its top official leaders of EPRDF Ethiopia, has been dismissed. Yes, purges and shuffle ministry, in the defense and finance ministries have rid the system of EPRDF Ethiopia acolytes. But the system, which remains vertical and top-heavy, is still largely intact. As new prime minister Abiy, he may not practice the same kind of authoritarianism of Melees did and eschewed the same kind of liberal reforms ,PMAA MIGHT purports to pursue now. And now that he is PM, he faces the very same situation his predecessor did and He must achieve internal political stability from within and ensure security from without. He can only do that if he stays in power, and he can only stay in power if he wins the support of the most of Ethiopian people.
    Did liberalization open up the country to external markets? In theory, yes. In practice, no. EPRDF Ethiopia and PMAA support trade. PMAA should visits the countries with which Ethiopia trades, provides platforms for solving problems, participates in organizations actively in African organization and such as European union and signs bilateral agreements, and reduces Ethiopian tariff fees. But these practices precede him. In fact, Ethiopia has a long tradition of trade but very limited . Ethiopia has no access to the sea but has nonetheless been a major trading center since antiquity. Trade created some opportunities for Ethiopia, but it also created dependencies on its poor neighbors and on existing trade old routes.
    Ethiopia PMAA ,should started diversified the country’s trade partners as best he could, careful not to rely too much on any one or few one countries. PMAA after all, is in a region in which the interests of west and US and China overlap. Ethiopia in particular has recently been courted by countries in the Middle East, including the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, , and Saudi Arabia. Ethiopia values neutrality above all else and so is careful to find a balance among all its suitors.
    Abiy is following in his predecessor’s footsteps. Having strengthened ties with China, Abiy should and ought to expand contacts with partners such as India, South Korea, and the European Union in an attempt to diversify partners and, more important for Ethiopia as a landlocked country, preferably should deal with Western markets and china vast market . To that end, ABIY must make some changes to convince the world it is high time to invest in Ethiopia . Ethiopia Government officials have invited several Turkish and Chinese s investors, who were previously reluctant , They have signed contracts with china companies for $ millions and billions , Ethiopia should come to an agreement on financial cooperation with west like Germany, and they should continue to look for more markets. This is all well and good for Ethiopia, but it is not especially new.
    Has liberalization improved relations within the region? Yes and no .and personal animosities among former leader with Eritrea still languishes . PMAA has indeed endeavored to resolve some of these issues. But his decision to make nice with the region is less of a paradigmatic shift and more of a pragmatic decision. Ethiopia is in a precarious position. It is not receiving as much money as use to from the west and US as it once was, China is viewed with open hand and apprehension. Ethiopia may be able to forsake Eritrea one but it cannot afford to forsake Eritrea for long. Solidarity among its neighbors it is important, will help Ethiopia economies and the region at last repaired relations by reorienting trade and investment by Western states in Ethiopia, and mainly china and US, South Korea and Japan. And avoid total international isolation like Eritrea.
    Ethiopia should agree to implement a variety of joint projects worth more countries to discuss the possibility of increasing trade ties. Ethiopia’s loyalty is notoriously hard to secure. PMAA reforms are less likely will be radical than they appear. He faces the same challenges as previous. PMAA did and he has largely responded to hope and aspiration of Ethiopian. There is little to compel him to create the institutions necessary for liberal democracy. There are no real steps to develop the institutions necessary for a market economy. There no real reform has been the purge of the National Security Service—the main competitor to the government. The reforms must be taking in the financial sector and taxation in aiming at improving the business climate in the country and attracting foreign investments to Ethiopia and opening up to new and better markets. Ethiopia one hopes it will Flashes with liberalization are not the same as incremental fundamental, systemic slow changes

    • Natom Habom

      selam said
      so much sharme and advice for ethiopia ,the same ethiopia
      that massacred thousand upon thousand innocent in a day light
      but when it come to eritrea you and you alike wish is to see our downfall ,you and your kind attack pfdj on killing whitout one shred of evidence to show than fake news and propaganda ,where is your judgment my friend ??

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    One more significant stride to make the case that, life for us as species is getting better where the future seems brighter than ever. Today, for the first time, the North Korean leader stepped on South Korean soil for a possible lasting peace accord and for the removal of the nuclear threat as well. Chamberlain might have said, peace for our time, waving a white paper but this time, it is all different ball game. “Rejoice, I say to you, rejoice” says, The Good Book.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dr. Paulos,

      Yes indeed. It’s sanity triumphing over insanity. We too must rejoice because it’s a historic episode that heralds the message that when peoples face demons of self annihilation, they take their destiny in to their own hands.

  • AMAN

    Dear Awates
    Greetings to All
    The more I follow your articles and comments on your website
    I get the feeling or the idea that I had been talking with Audience
    who do not know Eritrea, its people and its history well.
    They seem to be those who had been cut of or disconnected from
    the real and right flow of events and perspectives in the history that
    took place on the Land and people we call Eritrea. Or they might
    have been deliberately deaf and blind from knowing the truth and
    the true history – one among that history being the political & the
    Armed struggle – its origins developments and conclusions.
    I am feeling now I am deliberately cheated by some of the audience
    and rewarded by some others – net result being 50/50 %.
    But as there is only one particular time and space for every single event
    to take place to be called an event with out being replica of another one
    I am fine and content with the result.
    What can one do if one do not want to move and the other do not want
    to engage ? Nothing. So the end and conclusion of my phase I work.
    But if you are willing to move on and engage & start Phase II which by
    now it is becoming so late I am also willing to come back and assist you
    all for 100% result.
    Till then
    Good bye everyone.

  • blink

    Dear readers
    This was a great editorial from any angle and it must be appreciated that awate team come up with so many great lines like for example, As for Ethiopia’s foreign policy, to ensure peace and stability, which Dr. Abiy Ahmed has promised, we hope Ethiopia will,
    1) pursue a nonintervention policy in the region and avoid repeating the costly mistake it made by invading Somalia under the pretense of fighting terrorism,
    2) not to engage in regional proxy wars,
    3) not to encourage regional or international military intervention in the internal affairs of the Horn of Africa, and,
    4) to promote and support the cause of democracy and human rights in the region.
    It is amusing to see such article comparing to the old article in this website about ( I forget the heading) but it was about TPLF celebrations of some years . In that time there were Opposition Eritreans invited so do many regional dignitaries . The Tigria President at that time Abay weldu was talking endless Gura , now after some years here we are .

    The so called self praising Drs and professors of awate form , sometimes I wonder since when is an elementary pharmacist became a professor , wey gud . They totally forget the article and consume their time about a single or two Tigrinya word given by saay and simply played well by Amde in avoiding the main topic . It’s amusing people believe to their so called friends hallucinating as facts while forgetting the real points .

    Good job awate team and too bad to the Liquified gas in Somalia state .

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. It appears that HR-128, which really goes after the TPLF, is THE main bargaining chip for the U.S. in their discussions with PM Abiy. Please note the timing of yesterday”s VOA article on Ethiopia titled “Unrest’, which indirectly attacks the TPLF. Also, please note the very angry reaction to HR-128 by pro-TPLF websites. It is clear that the U.S. wishes to now empower PM Abiy by strongly going on the attack against the TPLF. The U.S will coyly avoid direct confrontation with the Ethiopian Government in general and will instead focus on a currently unpopular TPLF component. How this bodes into The Badme issue will be interesting.

    • Abi

      Hi Mr fishmilk
      You sound like my old friend Kalahari Snake or Blue Asmara or whatever nickname he found from animal planet.
      Funny people don’t seem to notice the oneness:)

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Abi,
        .
        I just checked in and who do I see?
        .
        May I ask a direct question, Is this Luel Ras Abi, the Gondere?
        .
        If it is, what can I say, welcome, just in time, they are talking about weird words of Amharic and Tigrinya.
        .
        Great to hear from you, I wanted to be the first to say welcome back, you were missed.
        .
        Mr K.H

        • Abi

          Hi Mr Kim and all friends
          Kim , Yes this is Ras Abi . ትግሬዎቹ ሲንጫጩ ቀሰቀሱኝ:)
          ይህ ሁሉ ቅጭ ከየት መጣብን? የቁጩ ነው::
          Thank you all for the warm welcome .

          • saay7

            Arhduke Abi:

            A fitting saaytanish welcome. I decided prose won’t do and I will have to stretch and find you a poem fitting the occasion. It is in Amharic. The Latin alphabets are very important and without it, some people may get confused. They indicate the meter of the stanza:

            መልካም ውለታ

            E. ብትውልም መልካም ውለታ:
            P. ስለሰው ብትንገላታ:

            H. ከሌለ ማን አለ ደጅህ:
            R. ኪስህ ነው የቅርብ ወዳጅህ::

            E. ሆድህን ቢርብ ቢጠማህ:
            M. ልብህን ጭንቀት ቢሰማህ:

            አላፊ ነው እንደ ዋዛ:
            ለሰው ምፅዋት አትገዛ::

            የችግር የሀሳብ ሰገገን:
            ቢገጥመው ባልታሰበ ቀን:

            T, ተው ተው አትሂድ ከሰው:
            A. ሆድህን እንዳታስብሰው::

            M. በሀሳብ ገላህ ቢከሳ:
            I. እንትነትህ አትርሳ:

            R. ቢለይም ሚዛን ክብደቱ:
            U. ሰው ነው ሰው በሰውነቱ::

            Author’s rights reserved and acknowledged.

            saay

            .

      • Haile S.

        Selam Abi,
        ራስ ኣቢ ይመስላሉ፡ እንኳን ደህና መጡ
        መሰለኝ ጓድ ኣቢይ ሲገቡ እርስዎ የወጡ
        Wecome!

      • Amde

        ክቡር በጅሮንድ

        ወጣ ሲሉ ጊዜ ቀርተዋል ተባለብዎት እና ይሄው የራስነት ማእረግዎ ለሌላ ተሰጥቶብዎታል

        ተብሎ የሚነገርበት ሁኔታ ነው ያለው።

        Welcome back!!

      • Paulos

        Hey Abinism,

        Welcome back! Hope all is well with you.

      • Hope

        Hahahah…Welcome back the Self-Appointed Detective ,Ras Abi!
        How is the Gonder Revolution?
        I heard that U have been the Commander-in Chief of the Gonder Revolution.
        How is Asmarino.com treating U?

      • Admassie

        ለክቡርነትዎ

        ልዑል ራስ አቢ ከተናግሮ አናገሪ ይሰውርዎ ጌታው
        የሉም ብለን በሰፈሩ ርቀዋል ብለን ከመልካው
        ለዘላበድነው አርቲ ቡርቲ ለደረሰብን የአፍ ወለምታ
        እንሆ ሰግደድ ብለናል ቀድመው እንዲቸሩን ይቅርታ
        እናም እንኳን በቸር መጡ ወደ ናፈቀው ግዛትዎ
        እርቃኑን ነው ዙፋኑ ባዶውን ነው ወንበርዎ።

        አድማሴ አ/

        • Abi

          Hi Admassie
          የማልመጣ መስሎህ የማልመለስ
          ከዙፋኔ ሰፍረህ ስትንፈላሰስ
          ከሰይጣኑ ጋራ ወግነህ ስታማኝ
          ልክ ባላስገባህ እኔን ራሥ አያርገኝ!

          ልዑል ራሥ አቢ

          • Admassie

            Ras Abi

            ኧረ ባማላጁ በፈጠርዎ ጌታ
            ለቁጣ ቁንጥጫው መች ይጠፋል ጊዜ መች ይጠፋል ቦታ
            አሁን ከቤትዎ እንኳን መጡ ባዩን
            ወዳጅ ነቃፊውን የቅርቡን የሩቁን
            ይሸኙና በወግ
            ድካምዎ ሲዝል ጉልበት ሲበረታ
            እንገናኛለን መች ይጠፋል ጊዜ መች ይጠፋል ቦታ!

          • Selam Abi,

            You should know; I am angry with you. Do not do it again. From a friend.

          • Kbrom

            ይድረስ ለልዑል ራሥ አቢ
            ግልባጭ ለኣልጋወራሽ Admassie

            እረ በኡራኤል ተረጋጉ
            ሰላማችሁ ነው የሚንሻው በጅጉ
            ጠብማ የሁለቱ ሃገሮች ይበቀናል
            ከቻላችሁስ ሰላማችሁ ብትገንቡ ይሻላል።

            የራስ ዙፋን ከሆነ ዝምድናው የሚያበላሽ
            ኣንዳችሁ ራስ ይሁን፡ሌለኛው ራስ ወራሽ

            ብርሃን ከሆነ የሚያንጫጫ
            ኣንዳቹ ጸሃይ ይሁን ሌላኛው ጨረቃ
            ቀዳዳ ከሆነ ‘ቅጭ’ የሚፈጥር
            ኣንዳቹ መርፌ ይሁን ሌላው ክር
            ኣማርኛየ ከሆነ ግራ የሚያጋባ
            ኣንዳቹ ቀለም ይሁን ሌለኛው ዘገባ

            ከየትግሬ ግጥም ይሰውረኝ ኣሜን!
            ቅጭ ከሚያመጣ ሰው ያድነኝ ኣሜን!
            የኣምደ እንጀላለስ ልባችን ይውረስ ኣሜን!
            የራስ ኣቢ ዙፋኝ እንደ የቻይናው መሪ ለዘላለም ይኑር ኣሜን!
            የኣድማሴ መፈንቅለ መንግስት እንደ የመንግስቱ ንዋዩ ይቋጭ ኣሜን!

          • Admassie

            አቶ ክብሮም

            እንዴት ነው ነገሩ
            ውድ የተከበሩ ?
            ባንድ ገጥ ሽማግሌ — ሰላም አውራጅ መሳይ
            በሌላኛው ገጥ ደግሞ — ፍርደ ገምድል ዳኛ በህዝብ አደባይ ካልተስቀለ ባይ
            አንድም ሁለት መሆን– ሁለትም አንድ መሆን አይቻልምና
            እባክዎን ክቡር ሆይ ይለዩልኝ ሚና።

            አድማሴ አ/

          • Kbrom

            ዎ ጋሽ ኣድማሴ

            ስለ “ወንበር” ስንፅፍ. . . “ሥልጣን” ነው እያልክ
            ስለ “መንገድ” ስንፅፍ . . . “ ስደት” ነው እያልክ
            ስለ “መጮህ” ስንፅፍ. . . “አመፅ” ነው እያልክ
            ስለ “መሳቅ” ስንጽፍ . . . “ምፀት” ነው እያልክ
            ስለ ኤቢ ስንጽፍ ……….ፍርደ ግምድል ነው ኢያልክ
            ስለ ኣምደ ስንናገር ………ከትራምፕ እያወዳደርክ
            ቅኔ ሳንናገር ቅኔ እያናገረክ
            በብረት ካቴና እኛን አሳሰርክ
            ከግጥም ያማል (ገፅ -7)

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ras Abi,
            Why is everybody welcoming you back as if you were absent? Am I missing something?
            Okay, let me chcek the attendance list. If you were absent you may have to bring your guardian to school on Monday.

          • Hope

            Hahahaha …Ustaz SGJ.
            U read my mind and am afraid that U might be an Expert “Psychic”!
            I almost drafted a similar comment like yours!
            That Dude might believe that he is ” The Smartest guy!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hope,
            He is one of the smartest though sometimes he is the “prickiest” 🙂 are you two related?

          • iSem

            Hi Ustaz vet Saleh
            አነ ወዲ ማይ ደዓሪት ሓሸላ

            ንሱ ወዲ ጅማ ሸዋ

            አነ ወዲ ሓጋዝ ዓደርደ

            ንሱ ወዲ ጎጃም ጎንደረ

            አነ ወዲ ዒላ በርዕድ ክረነ

            ንሱ ወዲ ቀራ ቦሌ

            ንሱ ሓጺር ዘረበኡ ክርዳደ

            ኣነ ዝፈቱ ኾለለ

            ንሱ ዝፈቱ ቅነ

            ኣነ ዘረባይ ትኽ ዘለ
            ዘረበኡ ዕረ ዝዋጋእ እሾኸ

            ዘርባይ ልዙብ ጥማዕ ምዓረ

            እንታይ በዲለ ተዋስበኒ ምስ ብዓል ደመ
            ግና ደሓን ሳልሓ

            አብ ጎንደር ስለ ዝነበርችኩ ንዓመተ

            ተስቂርኒ ‘ሎ ዘረባኻ
            ከን በሎ ሽምጠጣ

            ኣብ ከረን ይኹነልና እቲ ነግረምረመ

          • Saleh Johar

            iSem,
            Zeybelku? ZeywaAlkulu? Read: I didn’t spend the day there!

      • Ismail AA

        ሰላም ራስ ኣቢ፥
        ወጥተው ዘገዩና እንድያውም ኣይመለሱም ይሆናሉ ብየ ራስነት ይገባኛል ብየ ልነሳ ኣስቤ ነበርና እንኳን በደህና መጡ።

      • Peace!

        Abish Abish,

        Welcome Back! እረ ተው ይደብራል 🙂

        Peace!

  • Bawedieri

    Test

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    Yes , the plan was to make Eritrea a dollar generating place just like Somalia, you can see weyane supported Eritrean opposition were and still are based on Ethnicity and religious like the Islamists , the plan was to collide one against the other with bullets in the streets of Asmara. Do you remember Hayat adem begging for the bombing of Asmera , guess what the plan was . So it became an international crisis because Weyane will get money sale arms and many elusive trade just like the Somalia invasion. Weyane were the number one arms traders in Somalia but it was so easy that people like the people on pictures begged sanctions based on false claims of Eritrea supporting Al shebab . They all failed to garner any tangible support from Eritreans.

    Why do the opposition fail ? One reason is that they all are not caring for Eritreans but are ready to sale Eritrea and Eritreans to weyane based on personal interest.

    Eritreans in general and especially the youth rejected the false cry and dumped some of the old wounded people to stress. So they tried agazians and Islamists and yet failed . This is simply an seen in Africa .

    The only way out is to clean the opposition from old residual and deeply involve Eritreans from all walk of life . I am very happy that Eritreans held it together . The stress level of some as you can see is an imaginable .

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Hi All,

    Good news for Ethiopians. The Chinese firm Poly-GCL has discovered natural gas in the Somali state region. It is believed to generate of 1 billion US dollar on annual basis.

    “Ethiopia has witnessed non-oil driven economic growth for over a decade and the discovered gas is essential in diversifying the economy and enlarging natural resources contribution to the country’s GDP,” Mekassa the minister of mines, Petroleum & Natural Gas told to the Chines News Xinhau.

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      It certainly is something the country should be thankful for but often times the discovery of precious natural resources can be a trigger point for a potential conflict between countries which contend the ownership of the particular area.

      The curious question however remains where the conflict seems to arise in countries which lack basic political institutions where instead of looking inward to find a working mechanism to resolve potential conflict, they resort to violence.

      Consider this: Norway, Russia, Denmark and Canada are claiming to the ownership of the North pole for its potential reserve of natural resources including oil. And Kirkuk, an area which is a source of conflict between Turkey, Iraq and Kurdistan for the area has tremendous oil reserve. One can cite South Sudan as well.

      Point being, when the Northern nations are looking into relevant materials permissive in internstional law, the latter nations are resorting into basic instinct where the blessing turns into a curse.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        As an outside observer, the Ethiopian political system is maturing in every cycle of leadership; and the institutions are there, if Ethiopians respect their constitution and their institutions. Once they start to exercise the peaceful transfer of power, and the exiting PM gives a farewell speech to the Ethiopian people and good wishes to the PM replacing him/her, then the maturity of the people will slowly and surely evolve with time and circumstances. The transformation of their economy will definitely bring the transformation of their politics. At this point, the discovery of Natural Gas will not bring conflicts among the nations and nationalities of Ethiopia. One thing I read in the report and do not understand is, the liquefying industry will be installed in Djibouti instead in Ethiopia which could help them in employing the new graduates who looks for jobs.

        Regards

        • Selam Amanuel H.,

          What i learnt by googling for liquefying natural gas is that it is done at -162 degrees celsius and stored in special tanks before it is loaded to special ships for transportation. Most probably it is impractical to transport liquid gas from a liquefying factory within ethiopia through the desert at -162, and it should be done at the loading port.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Even that is the case, you could build the plant inside Ethiopia and not far from the shipping port. The plant should help in employing the more unemployed young Ethiopian generation. I do not think that should be the excuse.

        • abdulworld

          Hello Hidrat,
          There might be logistic reason for proximity of liquefying process and shipment.
          (Link removed)

          Also, believe people need to stop painting future with past- I don’t believe it is written in stone that discovery of natural resource will automatically lead to conflict. Maybe it will be used effectively and Ogaden region will develop faster and that can influence Somalia positively.
          I find it strange how much folks from horn are conflict-starved especially Eritrea. I understand we have had half century hardship and conflict and mis-management but that does mean rest of horn is like that…
          Also, people need to start looking at Ethiopian politics thru the lense of the 70 million below 30 years old Ethiopian?
          Do they care about Ethnic or nationalities stuff like 70 year old Ethiopian? The reality of it fortunately is the people that care so much about nationality and ethnicity to point of using guns are old and dying away. Time or Progress is moving forward.

          The Ethiopian have university and think-tank for peace…
          (Link removed)
          Where the 41 year old prime minister graduated from…
          You see the Ethiopian of Meles generation have planted seed and plants and watered with a decent civil society… and those plants and seeds have become trees or becoming trees and most Ethiopian in 60s and 70s are looking at those trees and enjoying the shade.

          In Eritrea, old generation didn’t plant anything. Although there is very fertile ground… they just threw seed and kept their body and mind holding the gun stuck with methods and techniques of past. They feel hopeless and helpless about nothing growing on their soil which sacrificed a lot for.

          The only thing left for them is to once in a while look Ethiopian Trees and say… “those tree are going to get cut down”… by nationality or egypt or somalia ax…

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abdulworld,

            You have said: “You see the Ethiopian of Meles generation have planted seed and plants and watered with a decent civil society… and those plants and seeds have become trees or becoming trees and most Ethiopian in 60s and 70s are looking at those trees and enjoying the shade.” I really believe that. Sure enough the young Ethiopian generation will enjoy the fruits their lraders saw as the seeds are germinating on the ground of your economic development. I optimistic on the transformation of Ethiopia, though for some it looks slow. I don’t understand why you react the way you reacted.

            Second, on the situation of Eritrea: once the obstacle (the regime) is removed, the know how and the Eritrean ingenuity will exploit the “fertile ground” for progress and economic development in our country. It is a matter of one decade, once we start to launch it.

            Regards

      • FishMilk

        Hi Paulos. You are correct. Hard to believe that we have had totally non-polluting hydrogen energy vehicle technology around for some 50 years. Please pull up Dr. Roger E. Billings who has been motoring around in hydrogen vehicles since the 60s. Problem remains that oil prices remain too low and there is no real economic incentive to pursue non-poputing energy. Truly unfortunate!

        • Paulos

          Selam FM,

          Never heard of him. Interesting and thanks for the info.

          • iSem

            Hi Paul and FM:
            Hydrogen cars was a hype, it is good technology and it can solve the pollution issue and H is abundant but it is not freely available, you have to extract it and that needs energy and also its by product is dirty as H is found in the organic compounds. Electorlyss works to produce H but only for small scale. Then there is the storage issue, they have not figured that out. But I have imagined drinking the water that comes out of my car as a by product while I drive my H powered car at one point of life
            H as an energy source will play some role but not in trasportation, it will take long time. But I predict that H futures will be trading around 2060.
            I think electric cars and Solar energy is the way to solve our problems. harnessing tiny fraction of solar energy can solve the entire energy issue for humanity, then no more middle east issue, middle east will move to Canada, as powerful countries with water problems eye to take advantage if canada’s pristine and abundant fresh and spring waters.
            Companies like Nesle and Evian waters of France take our water next to nothing and Canada is not doing anythig to protect our waters, the next oil and probably the next reason for wars

          • FishMilk

            Hi ISem. Thanks for your views. I was reading with great interest Day One of gasworlds Europe Conference closes -gasworld- April 24th and comments which came out on hydrogen energy application to include vehicle use. Hard to believe that our atmosphere is now so polluted that most fish species have mercury levels at a level which make them recommended for human consumption only once or twice per month.

    • Selam Amanuel H.,

      Before i saw your post, i was reading the comparison of military power and oil production between ksa and iran on al jazeera. The ksa produces about 10m barrels daily and exports about 7m, and iran produces about 4m barrels and exports about 2m, the difference being consumed within the two countries. Iran and qatar together seem to have most of the natural gas in the world.

      Having in mind the high level of oil pollution in countries like nigeria and other places, climate change due to fossil fuel burning and the consequent fall in the price of oil in the future, i was thinking, what is the best thing to have in the long-term, oil or gas. I think that natural gas is among the clean energy group, which means it will continue to be in demand in the future compared to oil.
      Regards.

    • Amde

      Selam Gash Amanuel,

      I am a bit with Paulos on this one. Most hydrocarbon economies have states that are not very nice to their people. I would much rather we follow the path we are on.. everybody hustling, and no single product really dominant.

      A billion is a lot, but perhaps it will continue to constitute a smaller and smaller portion of the national income year over year. That is assuming it will be commercially exploitable .. there is a small cottage industry that claims not a puff of natural gas shall be sold by Ethiopia since it is designated “Somali”. Hopefully, we are transitioning out of those sentiments.

      Amde

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Amde,

        I think equal resources sharing to the benefit of the people is a challenge. Specially in African and to some degree in South American as well, where the ruling class (e.g. Eritrea / Gold) have total control and the people / public have no say or benefit if any at all.

        But resources in itself is not really the curse but they way those in power manage it. Resources rich western countries like Canada, Norway have benefited greatly with the way they manage it.

        Norway depends on Petrol and export heavily. But it has a plan to ban “petrol powered cars by 2025 completely”. All the money it has generated from Oil and Gas, it has spend and saved it really wisely over the years, not it has one of the largest reserve funds (over 1 trillion).

        In Canada, most of the oil is found in the west cost (Alberta) and now there is some in east coast as well. But there is an equalization formal that federal government uses to distribute wealth (transfer payments from the so rich province to not so rich province) so everyone gets to benefit from the resources. This was not popular when the elder Trudeau introduced it in the 80s but life went on. So there is lesson to be drawn from others.

        Berhe

  • Amde

    Selam Solomon,

    ድብርት had occurred to me as an option. I think most of the posters so far are leaning more to ንዴት.

    አስታራቂ ሀሳብ አለኝ።

    Some people are happy drunks, while some are fighters. Some get depressed, some get mad.

    ሆድ ያባውን ብቅል ያወጣዋል እንደሚባለው, one may also say በልብ ያለን ቅጭ ይገልጣል።

    Thank you
    Amde

    • Tzigereda

      Selam Amde ( one of my favorites in this forum),

      I thought ድብርት is depression, ቅጭ ኣምጺኡለይ fits better to “ sick of”. For example “ኡፍፍፍ በጃኻ ኢለካ ፈሳሕሳሕ ክብል መዓት’ዩ ቅጭ ኣምጺኡለይ”:)

      • Amde

        Selam Tzigereda,

        Thank you… likewise.

        I think ድብርት is sort of “depression” but is typically used in the form of boring listlessness, a down mood kind of thing, not like the formal mental illness.

        I like the “sick of” description.

        I am afraid I am gonna milk this ቅጭ train until there are formal complaints of ኡፍ.. እዚ አምደ ቅጭ ኣምፅኡልና!!

        Amde

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam A.mde
          That is perfect use of the word ቅጭ. Before that happens, let me put my ode to ቅጭ here. Showing the trend from being irritated, to intolerable, saying No! arguing and then leaving.
          ቅጭ
          ቀጭቀጭ
          ቀጨውጨው
          ዕጭ
          ገጨውጨው
          ገጭገጭ
          ገጭ
          ፈጭ

          • Amde

            Hi Abrehet,

            I am loving your Ode.

        • saay7

          Amde:

          I think ድብርት is sort of “depression” but is typically used in the form of boring listlessness, a down mood kind of thing, not like the formal mental illness.

          And….congrats: while looking for the elusive ቅጭ, you have accidentally defined ቀጨውጨው. I have a good friend (the one I stole ቅጭ-bringers unfairly and circularly from) who claims that “ቀ” “ሓ” words denote state and “ፈ” and “ፀ” spiritual matters but don’t expect any research from him on this because “ It will require alcohol and a pretty lady to massage my head..” I know, I know. I need new friends. Since he originated the ቅጭ-bringer phrase I asked him to give me its English version and he says, “ Yes! Tantamount to what the famed philosopher from the glorious avenues of Compton, Sir Kendrick Lamar, “B**^h don’t kill my vibe!”. So ቅጭ-bringer is a vibe-killer. He adds, “Amde is clearly a smart cat. Please tell him I said so.”

          Saay

          • iSem

            Hi sal:
            you have intersting friends, some pretend to be your friends and mess with the leaves of your Japanese maple leaf tree, some recite a suspect verse from the Quran and when asked to back it up, they tell you find it አወኡ አለካ
            and an other recites a famous Arabic poet to impress and when asked who said this, he replies ዋሕድ ወድ ሕለትና
            I agree time to change friends
            :haha

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Saay,

            Actually Amde just got an inch closer to understanding ቅጭ.

            ድብርት(noun) may not explain it but its adjective kind of does.

            When an Addis Abeban says “ይሀ ደባሪ ደግሞ መጣ” it is very close to saying “እዚ ቅጭ ዘምጸአልካ ከዓ መጸ” in Tigrinya.

            Can you pass this to iSem please?

            Amharic: ደባሪ
            Tigrinya: ቅጭ ዘምጸአልካ
            Sudanese: ፈገር ዋሒድ

          • iSem

            Hi Welcome FG
            Logn time!
            sorry if I killed ur mood. But what is ፈገር ዋሒድ in Sudanese or do you man in Sudan

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat iSem,

            Thanks Anbesa. I couldn’t call it Arabic because I think the right word is مزعج (annoying) or مضايق (irritating), but in the Sudan ፈገር is commonly used to describe someone who is annoying and unwelcome.

          • saay7

            Fanti:

            Sudanese: ፈገር…

            Speaking of ፈገር, when did your peeps introduce the word ፎገርክ: ኣትፎግር…? First time somebody wrote me that I had to write back “was that really necessary?” because it sounds like an insult. What was wrong with ትቀልዳልህ?

            That being said, and with us having exhausted this topic, what is your take on the editorial? Before I give my take I would like to hear what my elders have to say.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat saay,

            Over all, I like it. Given the region’s complex immediate past, it is difficult for someone to express political opinion without antagonizing someone or some group. The tone and substance in this editorial is as neutral and as conciliatory an edition can be on a good day.

            Ethiopia is heading in the right direction. PM Dr. Abiy has made good first impression throughout the nation, and he brings the badly needed calm until more focused direction can be drafted.

            Peace with Eritrea is dependent on both nations readiness to actually solve their problems than to childishly strive to “win” something in the other’s expense. There is an opportunity for both to get serious and change the status quo. If PMAA decides to pull out of Badme, he would be taking little political risk but it will be a temporary one.

            If however, President Isaias fails to show a genuine desire for peace immediately after the withdrawal, it leaves Ethiopia in a comical situation. One cannot force “peace” with anyone, but Ethiopia needs to reflect and learn from all its colossal mistakes regarding Eritrea and avoid playing any role other than a good neighbor.

            The border between Ethiopia and Eritrea is now known. It would be nice to demarcate immediately, but it is not life threatening if it is done conveniently. The problem is however the lack of certainty in whether Ethiopia can be trusted and/or whether Eritrea is using “demarcation” as an excuse to maintain isolation.

            Ethiopia must show good faith and withdraw from Badme. Cooperate in demarcating the entire border, and let peace process begin at its natural pace. I strongly believe that is the first concrete step not necessarily to get “peace” for it in exchange, but because it is the only and the right thing to do.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Fanti Ghana

            የኛ ሰው ብጠፈር እንኳን ደህና መጣህ ሊባል በሚችል ሁኔታ ደርሰሃል ብሎ ነው ድርጅታችን 90% የገመገመው። 90% is the majic word in EPRDF it is always 90% no 92% 15% 43%.

            First allow me to establish the context

            a) I know how many people ቅጭ ይመጾም with my statement, but I strongly believe that nothing essential has been changed with the coming of PMAA and nothing major changes will come as a result of PMAA’s position in the power! People have started to say የሚያምሩ ንግግሮች ምንም ለውጥ ኣያመጡም በተግባር እስካልተቀየሩ የኣባ ንግግር በባህረዳር፥ ኣና ጎመዝ፥ ኮሀን have started to say the same thing. The Ethiopian national security actions have not been reduced. I am sorry to say that but that is the reality.

            b) If EPRDF wants to be engaged with US initiative PMAA’s advantage is that the war was not between him and PIA but between PMMZ and PIA hence, no personal pride will be defeated if he leads the withdrawal.
            c) The process of ‘mediation’ and going to fro has been in the pipe line for the last seven months,
            d) People might not get it easily but the reality is PIA hates the end of no war no peace situation and the demarcation more than anyone else. For him it is a blessing in disguise that allows him the state under siege.
            e) Demarcation and generally the Eritrean case is not something that EPRDF would leave to PMAA’s discretion, it is one of the PMAA’s ‘no go alone zone’ because it is more of TPLF’s issue than Ethiopian issue which TPLF has invested much in the last 40 years.

            I would love to hear more in regard to your point: ‘President Isaias fails to show a genuine desire for peace immediately after the withdrawal:

            I do not think that ‘withdrawal’ will take place in an isolated manner based on ‘Hope’ that PIA will ‘show a genuine desire for peace’.

            I believe all the nitty-gritty and the details of the withdrawal process; the positioning of different forces; the sequence of events will be ironed out in detail because both sides know that the evil is in the details, add to that there is hundreds of micro evils in the details of two sides who lived in mistrust and state of betrayal for so long time.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Aboy Kibrom,

            ትላንት መናገር ኣልቻልንም እንጂ እንኳን ደህና መጡ ለማለት ያቀድንበት ሁኔታ ነበር የነበረው፤

            I agree with all your points. In fact they sound like an expansion of what I wanted to say yesterday.

            “If President Isaias fails to show a genuine desire for peace immediately after the withdrawal…”

            I suspect that PIA will come up with obstacles including trade related unreasonable demands to maintain friction for the reasons you mentioned and many Awatistas had mentioned numerous times before.

            Although Ethiopia should withdraw, it is however not a guarantee for peace. Peace in this case is dependent on what PFDJ wants to happen in the foreseeable future and why. We all seem to have our own expectations of what “peace with Ethiopia” will mean, but I am not so sure about what will happen once all differences are resolved. Will peace with Ethiopia result in releasing of prisoners, will Sawa be converted into a university, will the constitution be reintroduced, will there be democracy, repatriation, elections, freedom of movement, and etc?

            If PFDJ believes that total peace with Ethiopia will make Eritreans grateful and keep them too busy to repair their lives and economy instead of demanding immediate reform, they will give it a try, but that is too optimistic. If in the other hand, they frame Ethiopia’s withdrawal as a “victory” followed by celebrations, and promises of more victories to come, everything will continue as is if not worst, renewed and legitimatized with the new “victory.”

            Let’s assume we are all wrong and we have misread PFDJ and they are willing to make peace as long as all their suspicions and worries are assuaged. The recent US involvement could accomplish most of that by promising to safeguard it from potential Ethiopian invasion, economic cooperation, and a promise to not meddle in its internal affairs, meaning it will not be held accountable for past crimes and violations, etc.., then, we may not see justice, but there is a good chance we will see “peace” whatever that really means.

          • Amde

            Selam Saay,

            I like your friend.. please say hi to him for me. I was toying with the impossibility of singing Mr Boombastic except with Mr ቅጭtastic..

            Now that would be a worthy conundrum

            moving to the groove
            singing lines of
            vibe-killing times..

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            I very much appreciate and sympathize with your OCD. You are vested on this ቅጭ huh? 🙂 For a throw-away line it has taken a life of its own. ቅጭ-tastic is a person who delights in being a ቅጭ? How about someone who doesn’t even know he is one: ቅጭ-carrier? How about someone who is ቅጭ but gorgeous: ቅጭlicious? And when a woman wants to use an endearing term with a ቅጭ guy she would say ቅጭነይ? No no no: that has a completely different and very flattering meaning. And no I don’t know the Amharic word for it but thank God Fanti and Abrehet are here.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Sal,

            ቅጭ-carrier is so funny. How about an article titled, “The Ubiquity of ቅጭ”?

          • Amde

            Saay, Paulos

            You guys.. I have to work, or at least pretend to work…

            Jeez.. you guys are so the un-ቅጪsts

            Amde

          • Kbrom

            Hi all,

            ብሰማይ ክበሩ ኢልና ኢና እንዳባ! Assuming that you are saying እንኳዕ ብደሓን መጻእካ! ንበር!

            I got from Haile ዓቢ ሰብ a memo of ‘when you were not there’ …. Here are my two cents contribution.

            ቅጭ is not ንዴቴን አመጣብኝ (welcome Mikyas) because it is not necessarily related to annoyance: is not also caused by ‘unacceptable actions or behavior’ (Bruno welcome), because sometimes the cause could be the person ቅጭ ኢልዎ ዘሎ ሰብ zeself: is not ቀፋፊ (Amde፥ I agree with Tsigereda you are the forum’s favourite) because it is absolutely not related to characteristics or intelligence, ድብርቴን አስመጣብኝ very far from ቅጭ because ድብርት (Tsigereda ጓለቦይ ወረደ ጾግሪ ርእሳ ፈረስ ምቐየደ) is a state of the mood that is mostly driven from the inner emotions; its Tigrigna equivalent is ቅዛነት.

            I know Sal (I miss your satire articles professor) is saying this dude likes to tell what is not, for the word I asked what it is. BTW where are ዓበይቲ ዓዲ ኣብሽያታትናን ኣያታትናን ሃይላት ኣማኑኤል ኣብረሀት። ከምቲ ድሕሪ ዋጣ ዝዋጢ ኣይክዋጥን ከውጠጢ እምበር ዝበሃል ድሕሪ ኣብረሀት፡ ሃይላት፡ ኣማኑኤል ዝትንትን ኣይክትንትንን ከስተንትንን እምበር።

            Any way there are two possible answers
            a) I think the best answer is because Amhara are so ጥዑማት (even when they are back stabbing you) there is a big chance that there is no word that fits our ቅጭ። We can start from fidgety and narrow it down to some similar word.
            b) The closest word might be የማይመች but this is much softer than ቅጭ መምጽኢ because ቅጭ መምጽኢ (if it is because of him) ንፈጽ ንፈጽ ኢዩ ዝመጸካ፥ however, it could be from you and not necessarily is related to anger, depression, foolishness, boring ስልችት etc. You can even feel ቅጭ with some one you highly respect or with small part of something you love.

            Example: ሳል ኣብ ከተማ ምጽዋዕ ትብል ናይ ዑስማን ደርፊ ማራ ኢዩ ዝፈትዋ ኣብታ ኢንትሮ ዘላ ዑስማን ኣየየየ ኢሉ ንላዕሊ ዝወጻ ብሪጅ ግን ቅጭ ተምጸኣሉ ሙኻና ነጊሩና።

            ቅጭ could be also from yourself. ኣብዚኣ ይፈልጦ ኣይብልን ተራኺብና ውን ኣይንፈልጥን ግን ሱቅ ኢሉ ቅጭ ይመጸኒ ክርእዮ ከለኹ።

            ናይ ቅጭታ ምልክታ
            ቅጭ ንዝብል ቃል ንምግላጽ ቅጭ ዘምጽእ ኮለል ምጥቃምና ይቕረታ ንሓትት ብሰንኪ እዚ ቅጭ ዘምጽእ ኩነታት፡ ቅጭ ዘምጽእ መልሲ ብምሃብ ቅጭ ከይተምጽኡልና ድማ ብኣግኡ ንምሕጸን።

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            Great to hear from you and that you are well.
            ክብሮም እንቋዕ ብደሓን መጻኻ
            ብጉዳይ ምጥፋእ ኣይተጀመረን ብኣኻ
            ገሽኩ ከይበልካ’ዩ ሃንደበት ምጥፋእኻ
            ዘተሓሳሰበኒ ህይወት ጥዕናኻ
            ሕጂ ኣንቢበ ጥዑም ግጥምኻ
            ምስ እቲ ደስ ዘብል ድምጽኻ
            ይቐንየለይ ንቕልጡፍ መልስኻ።

          • Paulos

            Ma boy Kib is in da house! Welcome back Ato Kibrom. You’ve been greatly missed.

          • Kbrom

            Caro dottor Paulo. Sei sempre una persona gentile con tutti.

          • Paulos

            Anche tu caro Kibrom. Grazie mille signore.

      • Paulos

        Selam Tzigereda,

        I agree. Amde is a super-star, the kind of dude everyone wants to hungout with. I bet he was popular in High-School too ከም ሎሚ ክልተ ጨጉሪ ከየብቆለ ኸሎ 😂.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Amde:

      Direct Translation:
      ቅጭ ኣምጺእለይ or ቅጭ ዘምጽእ ዘረባ – a statement or an act that leaves someone speechless in a negative way, a statement or an act that is against everything you’ve known to be (believed was) true in your entire life, a statement or an act so outrageous – not even worthy responding to….. Like…….

      Ethiopian elite advising us (a) we (Eritreans) shouldn’t worry about our sovereign occupied territories (b) how to run elections and how to be a democratic country (c) how beat hunger and poverty (d) a 3000 year-old history of the Ethiopian state……. You know…..

      Semere Tesfai

      • Paulos

        Selam Ato Semere,

        I think, if your buddy Blink was here today, the meaning of ቅጭ መምጽኢ would be clear.

        • blink

          Dear Paulos
          Why don’t you look at the up votes. I already upvoted ST . Go dance with the Addis girls , are you fit or fat as hell ? you know you are a googling champ and you can be ቅጭ type. The quote guy .

          • Paulos

            Blink,

            You say, I Golgol. That is perfectly fine with me for I know myself and certainly it doesn’t make an iota of difference if I try to convince you otherwise either.

            Here is what I want you to do though. I want you to write a lengthy comment with a minimum of four paragraphs in it about—if there is any relationship between Riemann Zeta Function [Mind you this is one of the mathematical as in Number Theory conjunctures that has not been proven yet] and the excited energy levels in Wave Function or Quantum Mechanics. You can not say it is not your area of expertise for I myself try to comment on areas that are not my fields. And of course you can google to your delight. I expect you to post the comment within the next 15 minutes.

          • blink

            Dear Paulos
            You are being rude to think I will go with your old dance move in Addis floor looking at your 3 decades younger femal companions.

          • Hope

            Ahlen blink:
            I understand your “Kichness” with Dr Paulos but would not go further like what u did above.Some times it is good to let things go and ignore some.

          • blink

            Dear Hope
            Yes you are right , my mistake but this was honest mistake done intentionally. I accept any one from Ethiopia to have a negative attitude about Eritrea and can reason out also learn his side of the story but annoys me when he wants to do it by claiming Eritrean , I find such people as offenders and I can’t learn valuable thing from such people .

            I always believe Asfaha weldemichael was more Ethiopian than many Ethiopians at the time of Haile the short and he was the arc enemy of Eritrean people . You see my point about this quote guy . That is how I see such people and I don’t think I will like them ever.

          • Paulos

            Blink,

            15 minutes is up! In fact, its been a couple of hours since the deadline. I tell you what though: I would assume you’re young maybe in your late 20s or early 30s and I really encourage you to read about it. It has a convincing material that attests to the fact that mathematics particularly numbers are not invented but discovered. More over, you will see how numbers as Galileo put it, are language of nature.

          • blink

            Dear Paulos
            I already replied to you and if you do not like it , it is not my problem . Stop telling people about things they may know better or may not . what is the big deal about my age . If you have any clue i already replied that i know the Anthropology lecturer in UOA (Abebe ) and even i already gave you his artificial implanted hair plus with the russian physics professor . what else you wanted ? Numbers ,ahmm , I am in to numbers but i do not think you wanted me to go on about the Riemann Zeta Function of billion dollar question .If you wanted sth about , you can read about and try it if you will.

          • Paulos

            Blink,

            How do you say ፋክ ኦፍ in Tigrinya?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos.
            Aygdin. Ageb. “For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required,” Luke 12:48

          • blink

            Dear Abrhet
            You see , He crossed post GL rule number 25.5 ,I have never ever used such words in my entire life . Can the word explain more about Paulos now ? lol

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam blink,
            It is unfortunate. Lets not escalate this kind of unhelpful back and forth. It is better to cool off before we speak let alone before we write, something that will exist in cyberspace forever.
            Lets remember how lucky we are to have the time, the language, the technology that enables us to discuss. Lets not take this things for granted and use them for good. We know people much wiser than us don’t have this opportunity. With respect.

          • blink

            Dear Abrhet
            You may not know this but when ever you reply i feel guilty of my own and that has been the case with your all reply to my comments in this site . is this Abrehet cyber personality? or you are just always wereja , wehale ,miklilti …. many many of such things . Stop accusing me of any thing , i am just lucky like you said .

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam blink,
            TiHisho zi wedey biruk. I am sorry if I make you feel guilty. But the fact that you feel guilty means you were raised right . You are the younger here and the future, my own future, belongs to you. I mean it. I imagine that one day we will have peoples representatives interacting and making decisions for us. I am hoping this is the place to get the training. If we older ones failed to provide you with a safe physical place to grow, learn and mature, the least we can do is provide you a virtual place. It is because you care for your people that you are coming here and giving your ideas. Don’t forget that. The rest is fluff. If you find a gem among the hay, keep it and forget the hay.

          • blink

            Dear Abrhet
            Thanks for everything you do.

          • Paulos

            ፍትውትን ክብርትን ሓፍተይ,

            Please forgive me. As they say, for a drunk person, a lamppost is a support but for others it is illumination. This forum is supposed to be for the latter but often times the fallacy of human in us kicks in and we lose moral balance and we disappoint the good people around us. Again, I apologize.

          • blink

            Dear paulos
            You should remove it ,if you feel you don’t practice such at your home or in any public places like the Addis disco . You see the moderator didn’t notice, may be he didn’t see it yet !! you completely crossed PGL number 25.5 . Ahmm the moderator can be one sided just like the American police ,grace yourself You are white .

          • blink

            Dear Paulos
            Frustration must be killing you then. Yirdaeka

          • iSem

            Hi Paulo:
            You are so easy on blink. he may well do what you asked him even without googling. remember, a prof, an accomplish prof, no need to name his name as it constitutes name calling and name calling is not allowed here in this family website. You remember him, he was so charmed by IA and told him that when he heard of couple of white colleagues talking about EPLF and Eri he run to them and shouted, ” I am an Eritrean, I am an Eritrean”
            Now where is that prof? he is back home living in the house he was born in and still apologizes for PFDJ. He is a top dog on his filed of anthropology and I heard that he studied the Ormo people. He also once as undergrad student he had a screw driver in his bag and in the foreign city he was attending university, the residents never saw a such a device before and marveled at device and they wondered if it was a gun opener, he told us and he said that was a sign that Eri was more advanced. If they were familiar with guns, a more advanced tech, then how come?
            Now even if blink does what you asked him in a blink of an eye, it does not impress me much because he is like our character.
            instead you should ask him to to write 4 para comment about the goals of the ghedli and address the following: its inspiration, its motivation. I am sure he will say to tackle mount Denden, tame it, navigate its rocky and steep slops with ease, let her express itself (give it freedom of speech), so that this mountain stands still, he will point to you that you see how successful we are mount Denden is still intact despite our internal and external enmeies

          • blink

            Dear isem
            I like you but you know when one person say but everything he said before is a horse sh** . Now please do not bring EPLF or ELF to the quote champ. What is the name of that professor, he has artificially implemented hair , do you know he also used to brag about his car and especially the petrol cane at the back of his car ? Ok at my time there was a USSR physics professor called sergie and one day at the engineering dept near the football field , he called him and asked him “ why artificial hair and the anthropology lecturer replied “ it feels go and it is not a USSR time . This is real story I can repeat every scene of it.

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            Gooooooood one. Yea I know of that old dude who spoke of a ካቻቪተ BS. The thing I don’t understand about Blink is, why does he focus on where I get my info from instead of trying to learn from them as we all here try to learn from each other. I wonder if he had said the samething if I was a white dude. Probably not.

      • Amde

        Oh Semere Tesfai,

        I didn’t know you were a ቅጭ-bringer. 🙂

        Amde

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Amde

          Could be! But what makes you think I’m “ቅጭ-bringer”

          Semere Tesfai

  • Selam All,
    In a country and continent where heads of states are hunted down and evicted from office, PMHD leaves office with ceremony, a farewell party and a certificate (i think). Is ethiopia changing for good?

    • Amde

      Hi Horizon,

      I thought the ceremony but more importantly the speeches were absolutely great.

      Abiy expressed how fortunate he thought PMHD was to be able to leave office while still in the prime of his life. And how fortunate PMHD was to start the club of Ethiopian ex-PMs, to which Abiy is really looking forward to joining as soon as possible.

      PMHD emotionally praised his wife.

      All in all, normal decent people.

      Hope it continues.

      Amde

      • Admassie

        Dear Amde
        Let us hope this honeymoon brings the cool headedness out of every one engaged and the mood continues. Because people are feeling good and I believe this is happning because we were flirting with the state of collapse and the sudden life we clinched tests sweet and every one wants act angle. I am glad we get a breathing time space.

        The gesture PMAA and PMHD showed is a good start. But what my fear is PMHD’s fear he mentioned in his speech. In a soceity where governments rolle perceived as enabler of every thing, the expectation of citzens, in relation to time and capacity (given the motivation of the government is as dandy as it is now), could be out of reach. This, coupled with other catalysts, could create frustration and tension in the future again.

        Admassie A.

        • Amde

          Selam Admassie,

          This “flirting with collapse” thing. I don’t know how close we were, but one can infer from PMAA’s and PMHD speeches that things were really bad, assuming they were in a position to have access to exponentially more in depth information. Last year someone had told me that Western government professionals who specialize in these things were ringing the bell hard, and it was communicated to the Ethiopian bigwigs. A big part of the pressure for change I am sure.

          Your concern about expectation vs reality is a legitimate one. But it is a “normal” kind of problem. Politicians tend to manage it by a mixture of lowering expectation and blaming the previous guy. In this, PMAA is in a bit of a bind (since he is still EPRDF) but I think he is doing great for the couple of years to the next election. We will see.

          Amde

          • Admassie

            Dear Amde
            When ፡
            1. A prime minister’s decision is not respected
            2. Ministers can not exert power
            3. Federal state is inept protecting citzens
            4. Citzens and property are attacked in an organized manner because they belong to certain ethnics
            5. The wild social media is faning things (whether happend or perceived) with exponential proportion beyond a poor and susceptible country can tackle
            6. Citezens do not feel no more secure and see no future
            7. Animosity is brewing under a humble facade of a society

            Atleast some of us felt we were at the door step of a hell. It is when you are caught in such a situation that you feel that the bad things you heard happened somewhere else could happen to you too.

            I think we were blessed that actions were not matched with counter actions, which would have the potential of flaring emotions dangerously.

            The rest, as you said, let us see.

            Admassie A.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Gash Horizon & Amde,

      No doublt, Ethiopia is changing gradually. While the former PMHD has secured an honorable place in the annals of history, I dare to surmise that despots and dictators in the region are cursing him for setting a precedent which the oppressed peoples will take notice of it with jufitiable envy.

      This is second time I have witnessed in our region that a ruler had stepped aside willingly. General Suwar Al Zahab of Sudan had handed over power to elected civilian government after he led a transition to elected civilian government following the coup against General Nimeiri.

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

        A single brick becomes a building so they say. When the victorious rolled the tanks to Addis, PMAA was only 15 years old where the Universe was conspiring and still on deliberation if he will be destined for greatness. Destined he is!

        He stands on the shoulders of giants and the nation elects hope over dispair precisely because he is able to see farther than others climbing on a tree that was planted circa forty years ago. One hopes the people don”t lose sight of the forest for the trees.

        • Ismail AA

          Dearest Dr. Paulos,

          Your hope and mine, and every one of us Eritreans, is that our little “Universe [ to be] consprising and … deliberat[ing]” to grace us with one from among our sons and daughters to rise and deliver our nation that is moving towards destiny that might render it lose sight of both trees and forests.

          I appreciate your inspiring philosophical way of stating things that challenge the reader to pause and reflect. Let us hope PMAA will be able and be enabled to attain greatness. Greatness of a neighbor translates to value added source of inspiration to next door neighbor through power of emulation.

      • Peace!

        Dear Ismael,

        I usually take your comment at face value and always thankfull for your mature and educative comment. On your above comment you said “ a ruler had stepped aside willingly” was he really the actual leader of Ethiopia? He was secretly appointed by the elites, and thus, I think, for him resigning openly doesn’t seem the hardest decision to make, in fact, it was a wise decision given he never fought and put his life in line for the position he held for years. I am just trying to understand the difference between appointed, elected and revolutionary leaders and their nature.

        Peace!

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Peace,
          Your gracious words are highly appreciated though I try to contribute my modest views. The respect is mutual and too learn and benefit from your contributions and other fellow forumers.
          Regarding the point you have raised about the way former PMHD had resigned, I do not claim to know the internal power relations of the coalition partners. There could have been pressures and horse tradings as you have pointed out. But my point was trying to was he could have rallied his party and resisted to the end regardless of the consequences to himself or the country as power hungry politicians usually do. So, in our region that has known that once in power you die in power, his willingness to take an initiative to step aside deserve our appreciation, and it’s a novel precedent that our peoples’ should keenly endorse and use as example to be followed.

          • Peace!

            Dear Ismael,

            Thank you. No that I am interested to drag you, as Eritrean, into less urgent issues and waste your time, but his forced resignation was a result of popular uprising. Therefore, I think, it would be useful to contextualize his decision to resign form justice seeking perspective and send a message to oppressive regimes including the monster at home that when people stand for their God given unalienable right, peaceful resignation with transferring power to people is by far the most desirable outcome because it saves people and country as well.

            Peace!

  • Taazabi

    Greetings Awates
    After observing the politics and the people of Africa
    especially the Horn Region Eritrea and Ethiopia, there
    is a wrong understanding of what patriotism or love of
    country means to the people………..often times.
    >
    What I see in Ethiopia and also in Eritrea after I lived here in the west for
    some time is that the people think they are patriotic while not so. They
    have the wrong understanding of patriotism or what means to be patriot.
    The think it is patriotic even if it is something that hurts the country and
    that eventually takes it to collapse and disintegration.
    Case in point :
    Consider Ethiopia during the 17 year Mengistu regime rule.
    consider also the political reality in Eritrean society.
    They are exactly one and the same. It is all serving dictators
    or strong men in the name of patriotism though false patriotism
    at the expense of the whole Nation & its people.
    People only wake up when it is too late and everything becomes
    the past…….and they wish things to come back and repeat themselves
    again one more time for them………………………………
    Kind of Dreamers…………
    I don’t understand why past regime Ethiopian politics would have to
    replicate itself in present day Eritrea and its National politics ???
    when even Ethiopia is abandoning it itself after so many decades
    holding it as tradition in favour of modernization and Globalising
    world politics…………?

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Hope,
    .
    Oops, I almost missed this post.
    You have problems with U.N and I have problems with U.N, let us put them to the side permanently.
    .
    I guess we both agree then that the contract signed or the U.N sponsored Algiers agreement with all its articles is now null and void, obviously not final and binding.
    .
    You know we cannot pick and choose which article favors one or the other or both as you said. When PIA threw the Peace Keepers out he voided the contract.
    Remember, Ethiopia withdrew only after U.N peace keepers replacing them was agreed upon. Meles offered to stay as a peace keeper without pay if U.N cannot do it for any reason. That is why he signed. I don’t know why PIA signed.
    .
    I hope this is our final and. ….discussion.
    .
    MR. K. H

  • kazanchis

    Selam everyone,

    PM Abiy will make an outstanding strides in many fronts, I expect him to expand infrastructure and rekindle the economy. His inclusive approach will give him the much needed extra edge. But, I have doubts if he is capable of solving Ethio-Eritrea standoff.

    Eritrea’s insistence on Ethiopia’s withdrawal or Ethiopia’s stance to solve the issue by further discussion, had been tried over the past two decades it failed and failed miserably. The solution would come when there is two parties who believe the old ways of doing business bankrupted both countries and left people to live in destitute.

    So far, Eritrean government is making a living out of the crises and it’s not harsh to say there is no ambition of building a society and country where ordinary livelihood of citizens protected. The dispute have been a lifeblood of Isayas’s administration many of its policies and narratives cascaded from siege mentality that ‘it’s the world against us!’, and connecting unrelated dots.

    Therefore, it’s no-brainer that Eritrean regime will reject all conciliatory calls and instead would engage in hostile and vile act to keep the dispute intact. I suspect the dispute would be kept regardless of Ethiopia’s withdrawal as far as i am concerned. Allowing reconciliation mean allowing freeing Eritrean youth and possibly demands of democratization, these things would be allowed to happen on the coffin of the regime.

    Peace!

    • abdulworld

      Hello Kazanchis,
      There are several disputes between african countries that were resolved by court. Nigeria and Cameroon is one of those. At least those two countries were fighting over oil rich area. Once the court ruled and it was favorable to Cameroon nigeria accepted it.

      The reality is the status quo doesn’t benefit either Eritrean and Ethiopian people that is fact.

      What does Prime Minister need to discuss both parties agreed to solve the problem via court ruling. The court has ruled. Is the Prime Minister argument that they don’t accept the court ruling and want other way to solve the issue?

      I know the Eritrean government has its major issues- but they engaged in costly war over a piece of dirt, went to court, court ruling is favorable,- now why would they have additional discussion?

      The reality is Ethiopia and Eritrea is the majority of Ethiopian and Eritrea don’t care about badme or the stupid war. Those ex-guerilla fighers from TPLF and EPLF do care and they are slowly dying away.
      Prime Minister will lose nothing from accepting the court ruling and implementing it. He will be seen has a hero. It will add to his prestige.

      At the same time, it will be the beginning of end of the Eritrean regime. Not because the regime will not have border excuse but middle age and future Eritrean can see the contrast.

      We have retarded college drop and they have Phd. Ethiopian people love their leader and want to emulate him and we got what?

      Thanks.

      • kazanchis

        Selam AbdulWorld,

        The problem seems to me that each side want to emerge as victors from the stalemate considering the heavy price paid through the bloody war. Both countries should compromise and drop some of their demands, if they really want to reconcile (which I doubt the willingness of the Eritrean side and to some extent Ethiopia).

        What worked in other parts of Africa, doesn’t mean we also have to emulate into our case. They probably had a genuine border dispute and they seem to get along very well. Therefore, solving their issues in civilized manner with discussion on how to implement the court ruling were in their best interest.

        I really believe border issue is the pretext used by PFDJ to sever relations when meddling in Ethiopian political/economic affairs become increasingly difficult after the secession. Dispute and bulling neighbors are very much PFDJ-esque, consistently fought all of its neighbors and that is a nasty track record, that tells you Badme isn’t the tip of the iceberg. Vacating Badme will never bring any soutions, PM Abiy will not miss it, I reckon.

  • iSem

    Hi Amde:
    Post-Badme discussions are important, I agree, as not thinking of post-Badme is myopic, exactly what PFDJ wants us to be. But pre-Badme is important, even if there are no Wallers per se, there are “mereberers”, yes they are negligible, a minority, but it is the minority that always wrecks havoc, not the majority, it is the minority that inflames revolutions or evolutions for change, not the majority. So we cannot ignore this neglect this negligible, entities in the diaspora and inside the country that want to return to yester years in Ethiopia and those who want to keep the statuesque in Eritrea. So we have to pay attention, keep it at the back of our minds.
    Posst-Badme is easy, if we get there and by post-Badme I do not meant merely that Ethiopian has left, post-Badme must entail the removal of the dictator ship in Eritrea and we cannot afford to think just locally in our region any more, the destines of Ethiopia and Eritrea and Sudan are irrevocably intertwined and if one of these countries disintegrates, there will not peace in the rest, jointly working for the stability of each country— aka beyond building bridges and actually helping each other to be stable ad to remain prosperous bodes well for everyone one. It is only 3 2 hours drive from Kassala to Badme if the road is well pave, now I tis 5 hours. There will be bustling trade, the towns of Teseney and Haykota can be centers of trade and properties, if Eritrea disintegrates it will take Sudan with it, the eastern part of Sudan especially Kassala you cannot recognize it as Sudanse this is what one write said in a newspapers called “Shemasha” during the Sudan spring in 1986 – 1989. “many languages are spoken, mixed, some similar, some Arabic sounding, some strange. You have no way of telling from which countries these language hail, you wonder if you are in Sudan or in a foreign land. Allah is invoked, the next second Christ is invoked. Kassala is a land in Sudan, last time I checked, so I looked over my shoulder to double check, I saw the Sudanse flag hoisting from Afar, as it did for over 25 years, then I heard an Abu- Alamin crooning from distance a few minutes later, I heard a call to prayers from near by Mosques. I mouthed a verse from the Noble Quran, thankful that I am still in Sudan, but still wishful that this was all a nightmare but that I will soon wake up from to find that my country ahs not been invaded by strange people from strange land with strange languages.”. The article was long, it has been over 30 years ago, I was in high school, the sun was merciless, wind has stopped blowing, my head was throbbing, so the awate guys and gals with photographic memory, Saleh Johar, Gheteb and Beyan etc, I am not quoting it verbatim, my memory maybe be tainted. I am not worried about Sal because by that time he was mounting the Yosemite, coining on the fly Eritrean provers for gullible muzungus and was so oblivious of what was going on in dusty Kassala 😉

    But I bring it to illustrate how our countries and the ethnicities are linked for ever and tampering with them is dangerous, wise men and women are sorely needed in our region, otherwise it maybe become a hub of perpetual violence, once again squandering the opportunities.
    As Ethiopia emerges a super power in our region the stalemate will take its toll as it moves to the next steps, the border between the courtiers cannot continue closed like this, something must be done, what is that something is controversial, the regime of IA can bend backwards and mend its way to please Ethiopia, but will that help our aspiration of liberty and is incumbent upon Ethiopia to think about what will be the consequences of peace with the regime to our century old aspiration of freedom, the deferred liberty. Ethiopia, if it selfishly appeases PFDJ, and returns back to TPLF’s old tricks of sleeping with IA to squash our dreams, it cannot later complain about its stability. I believe that two countries must go to peace soon, because the suffering of Eritrea’s from IA’s regime, the exodus of people to Ethiopia and Sudan and Libya will have negative consequences into demography of our country and therefore in its future and PFDJ’s mafia network will continue to damage all our three countries. Ethiopia needs a partner, Sudan is one partner, but is is unreliable partner as its internal problems of repression, Darfur issue and the eastern problems that lurk underneath make it so. The most reliable and logical and log term partners of Ethiopia are Eritreans and a just Eritrea. Ethiopia need to think long and hard and to do so it need to understand its shameful history, embrace it, move away from it swiftly it must uneqiiovacolly side with us, the people of Eritrea, not from the goodness of its heart but for its own interest

    • FishMilk

      Hi ISem. Post-Badme discussions could become a reality much quicker than anyone expects. Yemane G. Meskel has given prelude tweet. Possible U.S. resolution to resolve Badme under discussion. Tomorrow’s meeting in AA is a big one.

      • Paulos

        FishMilk,

        Not sure where you got the info from. Hawelti’s tweet doesn’t mention Badme nor any ongoing discussion to that effect.

    • Amde

      Selam iSem,

      Thank you. I don’t think I have anything I disagree with in your post.

      I think we are phasing out of the era of having Country interests subsumed into narrower Organizational interests. So a TPLF/PFDJ love-hate relationship thing is quite unlikely anytime soon. Part of it is generational as the players ease on off the stage. The other part (at least from the Ethio side) is the diffusion of power from single organizations to many actors.

      I think the Wallers generally have legitimate reasons for their stance, and it should be welcomed as a critical counter to hegemonies that would otherwise build through unfair practices. From my perspective as a Bridger if you will, it would be great to embrace them not as forces of opposition, but as forces for honesty.

      Beyond that though I feel the future is potentially bright for a post-Isayyas Eritrea and a new Ethiopia.

      Amde

      • saay7

        Amde:

        Why are you guys so negative about The Wailers? They are on tour and will be in my area this weekend (April 27 – 29.) There will be some Moa Anbesa t-shirts and January 1 California joined the states in the union who have legalized Mary Jane and I am sure everyone will have a goo…..

        Oh, Wallers! What are they? They sound like they are ቅጭ-bringers.

        saay

        • Amde

          Hi Saay,

          What is ቅጭ? And how is it brung? (I am honestly asking ’cause I don’t wanna miss out)

          Yeah.. the town turns out to be big enough for The Wallers and The Bridgers.

          Now with The Wailers and MaryJane,
          There ain’t no Bridge too far
          And no Wall too hiiiiggghhh

          Amde

          • saay7

            Well played, Admiral Amde:

            What is ቅጭ? Hmmm. I don’t think I have heard it used without its companion ኣምጺኡለይ: ኣምጺኣትለይ: የምጽኡለይ and all the other conjugations of the verb bring. You will have to ask Hailat, Kbrom, Abrehet…. someone who is perfectly fluent in Tigrinya and Amharic. It is said of someone who…ok, there is no perfect English word for it either, at least not that I know. It is said of people who are annoying, frustrating: they bring the ቅጭ.

            Speaking of that….I saw the Ethiopia-Eritrea friendship ም ናምን, and you may have to reconsider your label that some people can build a wall that they think is a bridge. The Eritrean opposition* has an annual gift to the PFDJ. I can see the PFDJ cadre meeting showing the video and saying, “Eritrean opposition? Opposition? Here: here are the opposition.” Now, that is ቅጭ-bringing video.

            saay

            * opposition as defined by PFDJ = anyone who doesn’t appear on its approved-list.

          • Amde

            Your Eminence,

            And now I see the perfect poetry of your post..

            Who else to counter the ቅጭ but MaryJane?

            Amde

            PS.. I think its gonna be my new favorite word. Forgive me.. I will be putting it through its paces in the English and Amharic conjugation machines.

          • halafi mengedi

            saay-

            It is ‘irritatore’ . I am loling, it remind of a person that we nicknamed ‘kich’ at ma’etot because….well you know…

            hm

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam saay7
            I would think ቅጭ is boring or annoying depending on the context. The most formal place I heard the word ቅጭ is in the “Jesus Christ” movie translated to Tigrigna. One of the women insulting Jesus says “መን ከ እዩ ዚ፥ ቅጭ መምጽኢ”. In the 90s young ladies started the expression “ቅጭን ሕርቕን ” so you can see the level of frustration was getting higher. And you are right the only form it can be used is in combination with ኣምጽአ. P.S. I see that halafi mengedi compares it to Irritating. So that is also perfect.

          • Paulos

            Haftey,

            ቅጭ መምጽኢ is my mother’s line where she says, ኣይ!እዚ ኻኣ ቅጭ መምጽኢ when she sees someone on TV she doesn’t like.

            P.S. How about ዕጭ? What does it mean?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Hawey,
            That is “No Way Jose!”

          • Paulos

            Haftey,

            You mean No Way Gebre? 😂.

          • Bruno

            Hello Saay,

            The Amhara are patient people; they don’t get angry. You can only push them to edge and then they spring back to their cool. If you have any doubt ask why they say ትግሪና ቆርቆሮ ሳይነኩት ይጮሃል. So there is no equivalent Anharic word for ቅጭ. But since ቅጭ is a state of negative emotion much less in intensity than anger but lose of interest as a result is is irritation. What is more interesting about ቅጭ is it also specifies what is causing one to feel irritated. It is used to express as much relevance to the agent/cause as the state of the feeling or the irration. Though not always, It also serves as a transition for what happened or did not happen. መልሱ ቅጭ ስለዘምጸኣለይ ገንዘበይ ከይሃብክወ ተመሊሰ::

            So the closest Amharic word phrase is ስላስከፋኝ/ስለተከፋሁ::

          • Amde

            Selam Bruno,

            So is it possible to construct a short phrase such as ኢሳያስ ቅጫም እዩ?

          • Bruno

            Hi Amde,

            Ha? LoL hmmm … this feels like a test but I don’t what kind. How about “Only if one is an Amche (A.M.C.E)” for an answer?. Oh boy! You are going to get me into fight right from the beginning. My apologies.

            In all seriousness, You don’t use It to describe somebody at all except ቅጭ መምጽኢ which is in a wan an adjective. This brings me to something I forgot to highlight in my earlier comment. ቅጭ is a very unique and under appreciated word in Tigrigna. It also implies a justification for the state of emotion one finds him/her self as a result of somebody else’s unacceptable actions or behavior. So I did not understand if you are trying to say ‘ Issias is an easily irritated person’ or ‘he an Irritating person.’ At any rate, stay away from him.

          • Amde

            Selam Bruno,

            I had a good laugh at your response. So, this expository has a character we shall call He That Shall Not be Named but we will use his AfricanAmerican LastName of X instead.

            So, this ቅጭ,
            one “brings” it, but one does not “have” it.
            It is brung, but it doesn’t spring forth.
            It is not a quality one has, but it insidiously detracts.
            It has no positives to it, but is deeply and mystically held.

            Maybe the NewAge idea of “negative energy”? “Energy vampirism”?

            I think Mr X has it and brings it.

            Amde

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde,
            While some can bring it ቅጭ ኣምጺኡለይ as in ቅጭ ኣስመጣልኝ፡ and others might deliver it ቅጭ እምጺአሉ as in ቅጭ ኣስመጣሁለት. He who shall not be named might be the embodiment of it. A stand alone ቅጭ might do in his case. This gramatical exception shall henceforth be known as ኣምዴ ሰዋስው ሕድገት።

          • Amde

            Oh Abrehet,

            Flattery will get you far with me.. haha…

            Now then, this grammatical exception.

            Why is it
            ቅጭ አስመጣሁለት
            but not
            ቅጭ አስመጣሁበት?

            I thought it was generally an undesirable thing.. no?

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            How do you say Abrehet in Amharic? Aberach or Aberash?

          • Amde

            Paulos,

            I am stumped. My guess is it is more Aberash.

            Pass?Fail?

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Not sure to be honest but maybe Aberach. The difference actually reminded me of something trivial but profound where EPRP and M.E.So.N were at their throats if it is pronounced as እናሸንፋለን or እናቸንፋለን.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            My position on እናሸንፋለን vs እናቸንፋለን…

            ቸ is plosive, hard, needs active coordinated participation of many muscles
            ሸ is sustainable, softer, more passive

            ቸ is the bang. ሸ is the whimper

            EPRP was ቸ. They came in with a bang and lasted for an intense 2 -3 years.

            MeISoN/Derg was ሽ. They lasted much much longer.

            Oh what am I saying.. it sucked that this was even an issue.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde and Paulos
            I dont know about meson gelemele

            But ኣበራች – 1. She lights
            ኣበራሽ – 1. He lights you. 2. You light (feminine singular you)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Amde,

            Let me pass on a phrase Saay once used on me when he was in the same boat as I am now: “even when you are wrong, you are right.”

            Abrehet = Aberach.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde
            That comes from my Amharic limitation. The one with በ doesnt exist in Tigrigna.

          • Amde

            Selam Abrehet,

            “The one with በ doesnt exist in Tigrigna.”

            Really?

            That is astonishing to me actually. Perhaps it exists in another conjugation form?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde
            You are right. But it is not as common in its use as in Amharic. It would be መጺኡና and መጺኡልና። The one with ል mostly to indicate providence.

          • Amde

            Selam Abrehet,

            Thank you that is what I thought. It would have been really strange to have sister languages be so different in this particular case. Seeing as to how the ideas of fate and destiny are so central that they are baked into the conjugation rules of the languages.

            I wonder if this also exists in Arabic.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abrehet Y,

            There is no time to get into details, but “thank you for everything that you do.”

            Now, some memory aids for ል verses ብ usage in Amharic:

            እነድከብር ነገረልኝ
            እንድዋረድ ነገረብኝ

            እምወደውን ጠራልኝ
            እምጠላውን ጠራብኝ

            መልኣክ መጣልኝ
            ሰይጣን መጣብኝ

            ጓደኛ ወሰደልኝ
            ሌባ ወሰደብኝ.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abrehet, Amde, Saay and all,

            I think there must be a similar word in Amharic. I don’t know what that word world be.

            I am guessing, may be because we are thinking literal translation that we are over thinking.

            For example when they say syasTela, is it mean kSleaka or it can be applied in softer tone, like ቅጭ krmSalka.

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Selam Berhe,

            As in ቀፋፊ? ቀፈፈኝ?

          • Admassie

            Selam Amde
            የቅጭ ኣይተምጻለይ ምናልባት ተቀራራቢ ትርጉም ንዴቴን አታምጣው ይመስለኛል። እከሌን ባየሁት ቁጥር ንዴቴ ይመጣል ወዘተ እንደማለት።

          • Amde

            Selam Admassie,

            Aha we are getting somewhere.

            So we can substitute ንዴቴን አታምጣብኝ with ቁጭቴን አታምጣብኝ?

            What do you think.. ?

          • Admassie

            ቁጭት ቀድመህ ለተበደልከው ነገር አሁን መልሶ የሚሰማህ ብስጭት ይመስለኛል። ንዴት ከበደል ይልቅ የስሜት ደስ አለመሰኘት ነው እላለሁ።

          • saay7

            Amde:

            You know I think Admassie is a great contributor but he may be leading you astray here 🙂 Bruno was spot on: take what he gave you and ponder…

            Welcome to awate btw, Bruno. That was a great first impression. Unless you are a regular and I am having a senior moment.

            Saay

          • Amde

            Saay, Bruno

            You guys are not helping.

            There is ancient saying in my village.

            የBruno ውበቱ Inscrutableነቱ

            ቅጭ learning በቅጭ አንጫጫኝ።

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Just wait for Fanti to come back. He is attending a TPLF marathon meeting but I repeat myself 🙂

            Saay

          • halafi mengedi

            Saay, Amde, All

            Today is perfect example why we love and keep on coming to Awate forum. Unlike other forums, it is not always 100% turbo charged politics. Boy, that would so ቅጭ-bringing.

            hm

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay, Amde, and all,

            I am back. I was just quietly listening and laughing, and being amazed by everyone’s creativity when you called me.

            Amde:
            ቅጭ is related and perhaps the same as Amharic ቅጭም;

            ቅጭም፡

            1. ፊቱ ቅጭም ያለ፡ የተጎሳቆለ

            2. ቅጭም ኣለ፡- ከማኩረፉ ከመቆጣቱና ከማዘኑ የተነሳ ፊቱ ቀየም፤ ኮሰተር፤ ቁጥር አለ፤፤

            The Amharic definition of ቅጭም in #2 is the perfect definition of the Tigrinya ቅጭ. They are one and the same but less used in Amharic due to lack of ቅጭ የሚያመጡ events or people.

            ቅጭ ዘምጽእ (የሚያ[ስ]መጣ)

            Someone or something that brings sudden stubbornness or sudden anger in you, forces you to make an unplanned or undesired negative decision, you feel like hating but you don’t exactly know why.

            Example of one way of usage:

            You spent the whole day looking for an apartment for Saay, you couldn’t find one but you decided to give him some cash to pay for professional finder. You went looking for him, tired and thirsty, but before you reached your wallet Saay starts to complain how unreliable a friend you are for not helping him find an apartment. You say good bye and leave. Why, because ቅጭ ኣምጺኡልካ!

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            That Was Glorious!!

            I get it now. AND I get what Bruno was saying.

            Thank you sir.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Fantiness:

            Welcome back!

            So before we close the book on this (order! I will not have groaning in my court) I have two questions for the counselor:

            1. You started out with “ቅጭ is related and perhaps the same as Amharic ቅጭም” (tentative) but then you concluded that it is the perfect translation and the two are “one and the same.”(*)

            2. Given that the two words are just one alphabet off, why didn’t Amde think of the word immediately? Why didn’t others?

            Saay

            * Sem, I swearagad I heard either a shaebia or a Weyane translate “one and the same” to “ሓደን ተመሳሳልን”. This is ON TOP of translating “once and for all” to “ሓንሳብን ንሓዋሩን” I stopped shaking my head at this because I hear Arab broadcasts doing the exact same thing. I will learn Chinese just to see if they do that.

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            “ሓደን ተመሳሳልን”,it is common, now that you noticed you will hear it. I heard it in Aug, 2012 a 6pm eastern time in Toronto airport when I went to pick my first cousin who was coming from Sudan. This is not my memory remembering, it is my shock
            He is not a PFDJ per se but he is a warsay
            Forget your music radio show or book store, we can do a radio show in this subject. I am not sure if your remember, or he was ding it when u were i Sudan, but there was a sudanese professor named Dr. Abdella Taha who railed about the abuse of the Arabic in the radio.every week
            but ብትሑት ረኢቶይ radio show and book store is ሓደን ተመሳሳልን
            When I was in high school I used to catch such words and at one point I was obsessed with them, but now they are so ubotiqous but I do not pick them that often. I am numb to them

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            I wonder how long your spring break is. Mine ended before it even began.

            Honestly, I was a little hesitant at first because in Amharic it is the result that is being describe as opposed to the act itself as in in Tigrinya.

            Then again, there is a good chance the “ሓደን ተመሳሳልን” concept may have taken root in my thought process too (always leave a window open in case jumping out become necessary).

            Why didn’t Amde and others recall ቅጭም? Here you go again, one more addition to your collection of proofs about my hagereseb upbringing. You have to be hagereseb, or fara as Addis Abebans would say, to recall words that are totally out of circulation like ቅጭም.

          • Hope

            Welcome back Dr Fanti Ghana:
            Your CONSISTENCY-for the most part,of/about what you say/do and stand is mesmerizing–no matter whales–Bizeye’ghedis.t.
            Your other ,a Human Being related personality and characters, are tolerable if at al you few of them.
            Your reservations,and tolerance a top rated qualities

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde,

            That sounds right I think.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Hahahaha. No, no, no! Put that ቅጭ down and slowly back away.

            So you guys have no ቅጭ? I hope you will redeem yourself and tell me you have the equivalent of ዕጭ. Bruno?

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Well Amharic has
            ኤጭ
            እቅጭ
            and if all else fails
            ቁጭ and ጭጭ

            But now, I feel this community is called on to a “Meditation on ቅጭ”

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            Fine, fine I wasn’t going to use the nuclear option so early but here goes:

            Do you have an Amharic word for ቀጨውጨው?

            Saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            No sir .. too much salt..:-)

            This smacks of Semitic Internal Duplication. Thereby making the ቀጨወ the meat of it.

            No ..Amharic does not have it.

          • Milkyas Zekarias

            Hi Amde,
            ቅጭ አምጺኡለይ ቃል በቃል ሲተረጐም ንዴቴን አመጣብኝ
            ማለት ይመስለኛል. በአጭሩ ያናድደኛል ማለት ነው.
            ለሁለቱ ሕዝቦች ድልድይ መሆንን አታቋርጥ ወንድማችን.

          • Amde

            Selam Milkyas,

            Thank you sir.

            So according to this definition, someone who is good at pissing people off (በፈረንጆቹ “troll” የሚባለው), may be given the title of ከሳቴ-ቅጭ?

            Amde

  • FishMilk

    Dear Awate Team. You say ‘Ethiopia doesn’t seem to have been hampered by the closure of Eritrean ports’. First, Eritrean ports have never been closed but rather Ethiopia has refused to use them. Second, Ethiopia’s decision not to use Eritrean ports has had a profound negative effect on the Ethiopian economy and its agriculture sector. Waiting times for vessel berthing positions at Djibouti has at times been unduly long and port conjestion has been overwhelming. This is why Ethiopia has exceptionally used Port Sudan over the past few years to move fertilizer and relief food and why it is actively pusuing Berbera. It’s new China rail is simply too prone to security problems. In regards to PM Abiy’s ability to bring peace with Eritrea, it is highly unlikely unless he receives a strong helping hand from the U.S. with a focused agenda on Badme. Sooner than expected, PM Abiy will be preoccupied on the home front, as opposition groups are quickly falling out of his hypnotic speaches, now calling him a decoy and an MZ reincarnation in Oromia form, and the masses will be soon be demanding real and sunstantive change. In the end, Eritrea can only be considered as an Achilles Heel for Ethiopia, in so long as it continues to illegally occupy Badme.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam FishMilk,
      .
      “First, Eritrean ports have never been closed but rather Ethiopia has refused to use them.”
      .
      “It’s new China rail is simply too prone to security problems.”
      .
      Very interesting statements. I tried to put myself in your shoes just to understand where it all is coming from….I couldn’t. I give up.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • FishMilk

        Hi Kim Hanna. I guess one day we can hopefully meet at Ras Gumbo in Assab and discus. Asmara Beer will be on me.

    • Mez

      Dear FishMilk,

      I am afraid, you can not back-up your statements with solid data. If you have any, please provide link, or pdf files.

      Thanks

  • Ismail AA

    Dear AT and fellow forumers,

    This editorial (Pencil) is timely in coverage and substances. It has presented in an
    abridged form the concerns and hopes of wide sectors of Eritreans about current
    Ethiopian political affairs. Among other things, underscoring the existence of clusters of Eritreans and Ethiopians that have found hardship in accepting the fact that history has already recorded seismic developments in the Ethio-Eritrean relations is a point well taken. However, since many of the issues raised in relation to recent and unfolding events in Ethiopia have been discussed and debate in one way or another under previous threads, it serves me to shorten my views in a few points:

    1. It seems to me advisable to separate politics of expediency from latent or dormant
    irredentist sentimentalism. While the former is forward looking and futuristic, the latter is regressive, and feeds on nostalgia about past that resist verdict of history. This has been recalcitrant hurdle to nation building in many places around the world. Our region, too, is prone to eruptions of violent and bloody conflicts. It still remains lurking on the margins of the national-states or at best smoldering close to the surface. In this context, I have the Ethio-Somali wars and the three-decades liberation war in Eritrea in mind. For instance, the unionist activism of the 1950s began in Eritrea as irredentist dream motivated by cultural and religious affiliation that negated realities forces of history had established.

    2.Thus, distinguishing between irredentism and normal material incentives based relation between Ethiopia and Eritrea as two sovereign nations should be conceived in the framework of the realities that both nations have a long way to go to emerge as solid nation-states that have relegated all sources of polarization such as irredentist sentimentalism and pursuits of subnational identities to the pages of history. To be more emphatic, I believe that both countries still have problems of state formation to resolve
    hopefully through positive and transformative integration processes before their citizens reach stages of awareness to sort out their affairs on basis of material incentives rather than diehard sentiments fueled by nostalgia for imagined or actual past glories.

    3. Awate Team deserves commendation for finding space in this editorial to raise moves that some diaspora Ethiopians and Eritreans intellectuals have been making. The last conference (I think the 8th) was underway just last week. The title is quite attractive because it reflects friendship between the two peoples’ of the neighboring countries. Although proponents of confederation and federation indicated differences in tactics, the strategic endgame is phased restoration of the pre-1993 self-determination referendum. The basic denominator common to all is the ”we are one people” rationale emanating
    from overlapping cultural and religious connections. Building on such premises is fertile ground for irredentism that can be contagious in other regions. If one proposes the highlands provinces of Eritrea and cultural and religious extension of North Ethiopia, what would hinder the Eritrean western lowland or eastern lowland elites to propose the same with contiguous regions of neighboring countries, or for that matter re-emergence of Somali irredentism?

  • Peace!

    Dear Awate Team,

    Well done, except when it comes to foreign policy, Ethiopia, too, is not a sovereign state, so are EU, ME and African countries.

    Peace!

  • Amde

    Selam abdulworld,

    I have to say I agree on the “binary worldview” although I am not sure about making it primarily an attitude of the Orthodox primarily. Now, I did put down the Wallers and Bridgers characterization and I am Orthodox so I am in a pickle.

    My call for a discussion into a post-Badme future is with the new generations in mind. I see awate.com as የቁስለኛ ቤት… most of us here carry some kind of psychological wound from whatever transpired over the past 50 60 years. I hope people don’t take that to mean anything derogatory. Making that explicit is important I think. That brings a lot of perspectives and prejudices with it, but also hopefully some wisdom that the next generations may find useful.

    Thank you for your input.

    Amde

    • blink

      Dear Amde
      The best description of this forum is given here by Amde and abdulworld. It is simply not acceptable to imagine Young Eritreans by the old eye and very hard to discredit the old at once . Abdulworld views are simply amusingly true except the orthodox thing. I followed this forum too long and find out some of the wounded forumers views is irresponsible and (I) ego , what they didn’t know is they are lost with their wounded mind .

      • Amde

        Selam blink

        Are you saying “Wounded ናቸው” Or “Wounded ነን”?

        I am firmly in the ነን camp.

        Its why we need to be kinder and less judgemental towards each other.

        Amde

  • Kaddis

    Dear team Awate,
    In reference to your point

    1) pursue a non-intervention policy in the region and avoid repeating the costly mistake it made by invading Somalia under the pretense of fighting terrorism,

    I do not expect your endorsement but your position on the intervention of Ethiopia to Somalia doesn’t reflect the situation of the time. You somehow chose to overlook the danger Ethiopia was exposed from a proxy attack by Eritrea, Egypt and the like using Somalia’s trigger happy terrorists. Kenya had to follow intervening ( though after the damage was done to its security and economy) while accusing the hands of Eritrea in support of the terrorists in Somalia. Add Djibouti and Uganda here.

    Imagine if Ethiopia was in a weak and receiving end when Mohammed Mursi was conspiring on Ogaden on live TV? You are undermining the security risk of neighbouring with Somalia ( Eth Somali included ) just to make a general point of discouraging intervention in Eritrea in the future. The behaviour of the Eth government doesn’t warrant this kind of position as well considering its reservation on Sudan/ South Sudan ( managed to be a partial party) and on Eritrea (while EPRDF knows its losing political capital for being soft on Eritrea and some argue they had the chance to pursue for Assab in 2000 war etc…don’t include me here)

    Somalia intervention, while I truly recognise the human cost on both sides, is a unique case which needs to be studied particularly its complimentary political process; supported by the international community ( led by IGAD ). Compared to what is happening in IRAQ, Syria, Libya; bombarded and are left for endless wars, the Somalia process has its own unique strength emanating from the involvement of African forces and influence. The security risk coming from Eritrea and Somalia is beyond compare (very high on Somalia side ). I also believe Ethiopia have to make peace with Eritrea for its own internal security and political reasons at any cost. The economy sorts itself if security and stability is maintained.

    • blink

      Dear Kaddis
      You said “EPRDF knows its losing political capital for being soft on Eritrea and some argue they had the chance to pursue for Assab in 2000 war etc” can you mention few points you think EPRDF were soft on Eritrea.

      • Kaddis

        Hi blink –
        read the phrase again …I said dont include me with those who argue Eth was soft on Eritrea etc… I think Eth should not be anything but strategic and genuine with the neighbour
        Somalia intervention was a golden card, I dont know. The gov used it as a leverage to deal with the powerful – yes. But the intervention was just made to securitize the relationship with the West – I don’t think so.

        • blink

          Dear kaddis
          Oh , I apologize. I should’ve read properly. I don’t know how I missed that “ don’t include me” line . It totally changed the whole thing.
          Yes there are people who accuse the leadership of EPRDF being Eritreans. But don’t forget there are people in Ethiopia and diaspora that use old Ethiopian Map too. So yes you are right.

          About Somalia, well what can I say as Eritrean is very limited but my Somali friends really disagree with your take and that is always natural.

    • saay7

      Selamat Kaddis:

      It is always a pleasure to get your perspective.

      On Somalia, I always equated Ethiopia’s stance on Somalia with GWB’s doctrine of pre-emptive war: that you cannot wait for the definitive smoking gun (rock solid evidence) because by the time it comes, it may come “in the form of a mushroom cloud” as Bush put it. Or in the form of IEDs when it came to Al-Shabab. So we have these three points:

      1. The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) were, like all movements, messy: with voices of reason and with the nutcases all vying for top position. When Meles Zenawi addressed the Ethiopian parliament and gave his ተወርረናል (“we have been attacked”) speech, all the UIC was doing is saying “Jihad!” The intervention radicalized even the forces of moderation within UIC and gave a free ticket to Al Shabab.

      2. It is a marvel that from 2006 until present, that the same Al-Shabab that has conducted horrific terror acts against Uganda and Kenya for having peacekeepers in Somalia has not had anything remotely close to it in the significantly more-heavily populated Ethiopia, specially considering the huge common border and the marginalization of Ethio-Somalis.

      3. Credible sources (including HRW and NYT reporter Jeoffrey Kettleman) have accused the Ethiopian government of taking extreme measures to defeat ONLF. The phrase “winning ugly” was invented for such occasions.

      So what lessons are to be drawn from all of the above other than statecraft is really, really hard? One conclusion that is easy to make is that absolute dictators leave ruin in their wake: the collapse of Somalia was triggered by Siad Barrer’s insistence on putting his power ambition over state interest.

      Incidentally, completely unrelated to the above but one that may just bring us a lasting peace in the region: why did Ethiopia turn such a deaf ear when Djibouti was literally begging to be annexed by Ethiiopia about 7 years ago? Is it a case of EPRDF saying, “ummm, we don’t have a Djibouti franchise of EPRDF yet?” I am only half-kidding.

      saay

      • Amde

        Hi saay,

        This last paragraph of yours…

        ትንሽ እንዲብራራልን የምንፈልግበት ሀኔታ ነው ይለው…

        Amde

        • saay7

          Selam Amde:

          Ha!! Ok, remember when Gulleh (IOG if you are nasty) was thinking of retiring to his birthplace in Dire Dawa and then decided, nah, I will just amend the Djibouti constitution and run for a third term and get my meto-be-meto win? Remember when he was telling Ethiopia to think of Djibouti as “part of Ethiopia”? Ok, during that phase–and if I can get Eyob to stop blowing Dr Abiye kisses long enough to pay attention he will back me up and provide the link–Gulleh did call for more than political/economic integration but actual annexation. (And, he cancelled his country’s independence celebration because why not it is his fiefdom.) My plan is for Eyob to come up with the link or maybe Kaddis can add more. If not, I have to spend precious time researching it. And it will definitely bring me ቅጭ if I can’t find it.

          saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            Now I remember that episode. My refrain was to do a Joe Pesci and say (was it Joe Pesci or a generic mafioso?) :

            “He woz serious about dat?”

            It is interesting – the Djiboutian rhetoric of “Africa’s Dubai” started appearing a couple of years ago. Maybe they threw themselves onto Ethiopia and “he” (yes I am being sexist) turned out to be too aloof and way into his biherbiheresebochhizboch amazingness, so “she” started looking elsewhere.

            Amde

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam saay7,
            I have a link with this quote “In May at a ceremony at Djibouti port to celebrate Ethiopia’s reception of nine new Chinese vessels, Guelleh declared: “We believe that Ethiopia is Djibouti and Djibouti is Ethiopia – no difference at all.”

            http://www.theafricareport.com/East-Horn-Africa/djibouti-playing-the-great-game.html

          • Kaddis

            Hi Saay –

            there is no ማስቀየስ on our ቀይ ባህራችን ! 🙂

            I think – Djibouti is considered here as a ‘shared sovereign state’ with the French, US ,China etc .. Eritrean case has failed to transform from a local case ( province like issue promoted by killil Tigray) to an international relations file. The foreign policy on Djibouti here probably gain more from the strategic clout Djibouti has ( remember the easily passed UN sanction on Eritrea Vs Djibouti ).

            Why do Ethiopia merge its economy while selling cement, electricity, ye Harer Burtcan, Khat, bottled water etc in dollars for a high paying neighbour and managing to reduce the cost of port service and transport?
            I don’t think there is an appetite for more federal, confederal etc arrangement with anyone ( Eri included ) while we are struggling to make our federal structure work.

            Again – territorial expansion or reclaim is not part of the mainstream agenda. The ruling party is being beaten times again about a presumed land given to Sudan; because EPRDF thinks it’s a constructed political campaign, rather than a serious border or land issue. It looks like you take the noisy diaspora Ethiopianists more seriously.
            Cheers,

      • Eyob Medhane

        Sal,

        As usual you are absolutely WRONG. UIC has declared war on Ethiopia in 2006. They specifically mentioned a jihad to be declared on Ethiopia. They were strong at the time, and had they been ignored, they would have brought on a disaster.

        2) Guelle was flirting in 2011/12 (during Arab Spring) with a confederation type of arrangement with Ethiopia by suggesting a currency union first, it was because FRUD an opposition/rebel group of Diboutian Afars supported by Eritrea was giving him a headache at the time. It was his way of co-opting (threatening) them by saying, “I am unleashing Ethiopians (Ethiopian Afars) on you”. It wasn’t a serious “begging”. When they simmer down, he also eased up on his threat.

        • saay7

          Eyobai:

          I was hoping I was wrong but absolutely wrong? Well, let’s see where the jihad word appeared and who said it:

          An Islamist leader, wearing fatigues and holding an AK-47, said a “jihad” had been declared on Ethiopia, raising fears of a regional conflict.
          “Heavily armed Ethiopian troops have invaded Somalia,” said [name withheld so I can make a point]. “They have captured Bur Haqaba. History shows that Somalis always win when they are attacked from outside.”
          Residents of the town, 60km from Baidoa on the main road to Mogadishu, say government fighters backed up by Ethiopians, took the town, before the Islamists recaptured it several hours later.

          This was in October 9, 2016, two months before Ethiopia’s invasion and Meles’s address to the parliament. And the scary guy making the announcement? Sheikh Sherif Sheikh Ahmed that everyone (including, later, Ethiopia itself) would call a moderate.

          The defense rests.

          Now on Djibouti, you are downplaying it (link is coming, Inshallah:) I remember telling you “when somebody is telling you this is ቀይ ባህራችሁ could you please take it so you don’t come after another ቀይ ባህራችን?”

          Saay

      • FishMilk

        Hi saay7. Not sure how ‘messy, the ICU actually was, but it was relatively and comparatively, well received by most Somali groups and during their short reign of power, on-ground security conditions in areas under their control were relatively safe. At the time that Ethiopia was attacking the ICU, it was making false claims of thousands of Eritrean troops in ICU areas. Regarding your point 2, there have been several attacks on Ethiopia in the Dolo Ado area, but these of course escape media coverage. And while not on Ethiopian soil, one should not forget approximately 30 people that died on October 29, 2008; attacks on the Ethiopian consulate in Hargeisa and Ethiopian holdings in Bossaso. Lest, one must not forget that Ethiopia still illegally occupies large tracts of Gedo region.

        • saay7

          Selam FishMilk:

          I agree it “was relatively and comparatively well received by most Somali groups” but this doesn’t change my opinion that it was messy movement (like all movements) in that:

          1. It had two heads: a moderate (Sherif) and an extremist in the UN and US list of terrorists (Aweys.) And this is why when it fractured it resulted in a moderate (Reliberation of Somalia) and extremists (AlShabab, Hizbul Islam.) The Reliberation group further split into the Djibouti-based and the Asmara-based with the Djibouti-based ultimately being merged into the unity government and the Asmara-based dissolving. Al-Shabab ended up pledging allegiance to AlQaeda…until a faction broke out pledging allegiance to Islamic State. All were once part of the UIC.

          2. Sigh. I have no intention of discussing the one-sole claim that was falsified (thousands of Eritreans in Somalia) when there were dozens more that were never falsified and at least one that was corroborated by Somalis themselves. “Islamist leader Aweys said Asmara was providing support in gratitude for past help. ‘The previous Somali government [of President Mohammed Siad Barre] helped Eritrea during its struggle for independence from Ethiopia,’ he said, ‘Eritrea helps the Somali people, they are returning back the favour.’ ” Google Guardian article entitled: Islamists refuse talks, acknowledge Eritrea

          3. On the Al-Shabab failure to penetrate Ethiopia in the same way it penetrated Uganda and Kenya, given the rage Al-Shabab felt against Ethiopia, I can’t believe it is for lack of trying. The Ethiopians National Security System simply is far more organized and ruthless than that of Uganda and Kenya. Ethiopia simply was far more willing to trade liberty for security compared to Uganda and Kenya.

          saay

          • FishMilk

            Hi saay7.
            Re no.1: As you probably know, because Aweys was on the U.S.and U.N. list of bad boys, does not necessarily mean that he is one. Alweys real power and influence in the ICU was never clear and while he fought against Al Shabab while head of Hizbul Islam, and was there when both groups merged forces, he has actually never been a member of Al Shabab but rather a supporter. He has also said that he has never ruled out political,or economic ties with the West. He is more like a crazy mafia figure to me.
            Re no. 2: Yes, Aweys like Sheik Sharif and other key Somali figures, had been provided office and living accommodations by PIA while they were in Asmara. So when you mention Asmara providing support to Aweys, yes, but what type of support? And yes, during the time,of Siad Barre, the EPLF was provided an office and living accommodations in Mogadishu near an area known as Bermuda on the way to the sea port.
            Re. No 3: I agree with you but also feel that language can also be a factor as most Somalis involved in Kenya and Uganda incidents had good Swahili language facility.

          • saay7

            Selam FishMilk:

            I will skip # 1 as a difference of opinion although I don’t understand how someone who surrendered his group (Hizb Al Islam) to Al-Shabab is not part of them. He was listed in the terrorist list for his group (Al Itihad Al Islamiya) conducting terror raids target hotels in the 1990s.

            On # 2, your timeline is off. When Aweys said that UIC was getting support from Eritrea, it was in July 2016. Before Ethiopia’s invasion of Somalia in December 2016.

            On # 3, we agree. I still consider Ethiopia’s ability to deny Al-Shabab an incident as savage as the one in Uganda and Kenya to be amazing First-World type of performance on sophistication of security system.

            saay

          • FishMilk

            Hi saay7. ‘Radical Scholar launches furious attack on Al Shabab’ on mareeg.com dated 25 April. Maybe Aweys knew we were going to be talking about him 🙂

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Kaddis,
      .
      Thank you, thank you for your measured and to the point response.
      Even in hindsight, I think it was a well managed intervention under the circumstances. I remember reading many reports from a number of interested parties in 2006.
      .
      The so called Union of Islamic Courts was on the verge of controlling Somalia. In the middle of this Hodge bodge movement were foreign Islamist, Al Shabab, foreign mercenaries and a large number of Ethiopian rebels.
      .
      I think, I give Meles A+ again for his incisive and decisive action. Don’t forget the U.S generals were advising him not to do it. Publicly they stated he is on his own. He stood his ground.
      .
      He eventually withdrew after substantially degrading them and displaying the true leaders in that movement. Had Meles not done what he has done Somalia and Ethiopia would have been in a different unpleasant place.
      You know what his response was when a year or so later U.S politicians, EU members were criticizing Ethiopia for not solving the internal problems of Islamist and foreign actors in Somalia. He saw the writing in the wall.
      .
      Meles said before withdrawing…..The international community was not only satisfied riding the Ethiopian horse in Somalia, they began flogging it.
      .
      Thanks again for presenting a better picture of this very recent history.
      .
      Mr. K.H

  • iSem

    Hi cousin:
    Any chance to chat in toronto? Seni wo aman! mi dor:?_)
    Tigriniya my third lanaguage, NO, NO, i was kidding with vet MS cus he was speaking in PFDJ Tigriniya. This is my quasi sarcasm and semi sophisticated English that quasi articulated.
    My First language Tigriniya
    🙂

  • Amde

    Selam Awate Team,

    Writing an article on the possibilities offered with new hands in Addis is timely. However, this one was a bit disappointing.

    Following the discussions on this site, it s not clear where the center of gravity of Eritrean sentiment on a post-Badme Ethiopian and Eritrean relationship lies. The options generally fall into the Wall-advocates, and Bridge-advocates. The Wallers can’t wait to seal off anything to do with Ethiopia, once the final border issue is disposed of. The Bridgers can’t wait to establish relations of all types, once the formality of the border issue is finished.

    Life is probably going to be somewhere in between. Economic, cultural and social bonds, formed over many many centuries preceding Eritrea or Menelik’s Ethiopia, will re-assert themselves, since they are formed due to the inherent logic of geography and demographics. The Wallers will engage in stopping these bonds, only succeeding in repressing them. The Bridgers will engage in expanding them, only to incur resentment from the Wallers. Eritrea is decidedly not a small western movie set town, riven by the rivaly of the Wallers and the Bridgers, but for sure, a tension of sorts between them would presumably be one of the components of Eritrean political life going forward. .

    The last paragraphs of this piece ended up excoriating people who are already envisioning a post-Badme Ethio-Eritrea relationship. Their specific messages and biographies may be discomforting for some. However, far from being considered sentimentalists hankering for a bygone mistake, I think they should be considered clear eyed realists that recognize the issues of 50 years and 100 years and 250 years hence.

    In a sense, this august site is falling into the rut of the Isayyasist years, whereby the sum-total of the Ethio-Eritrea relationship is measured on the how and when of the Badme issue.

    The border issue will get resolved one way or another. It would be more interesting to discuss the post-Badme relationship.

    Amde

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      You remind me of “Dr. House” the brilliant Diagnostician. The dichotomy Wallers and Bridgers is just original. Here is what I would say though: The Wallers are building the wall on subtraction where Eritrea is anything that is not Ethiopian. On the other hand, the Bridgers are building the bridge on anything that is Ethiopian. Certainly, Exceptionalism and Isolationism are the things of the past where common destiny is the future.

      • Amde

        Selam Paulos,

        I would just add that Ethiopia also has her Wallers and Bridgers. I’d like to think Eritrean Bridgers are building the bridge on “anything that is shared” of which there are many planks.

        So we will see how it works out.

        Amde

    • Dear Amde,

      As far as we know, there are no “wallers” in Eritrea and there are, they are negligible and can be cured easily. However, the issue you raised is inter-Eritrean discourse and you might not have a grasp of the nuances. But most Eritreans are very suspicious of a repeat of past injustices and betrayals. You have to see it from that perspective and being a non-Eritrean, you might not understand it fully because to the uninitiated, it seems to be vague. Rest assured, there are enough people of good will who will fight the wallers who masquerade as bridge builders.

      • Amde

        Thank you sir.

        I will eagerly read the responses and discourses of this community.

    • Selam Amde,

      The wall builders are the majority. They are the old generation (don’t laugh), who see eritrea as a young girl who is in danger of eloping with the hated guy next door if she is left free, and therefore, she should be locked in.

      The reality is that a free eritrea will be sucked in by the bigger political and economic power of ethiopia, which the wall builders are going to hate a lot if they see such phenomenon.

      Her economy will not show impressive growth, due to the new situation in ethiopia, greater antagonism due to the gradually increasing manufacturing capacity in ethiopia, tariffs on imported eritrean goods that will make eritrean goods expensive in ethiopia, and put on this transportation cost, etc. Because of the unequal trade volume between the two countries (eritrea is a much smaller market compared to ethiopia), will make abolition of tariffs at ethiopia’s expense. The port of djibouti will continue to play the major role in ethiopia’s external trade, with subsidiaries possibly berbera, lamu, and assab.

      Economic domination will bring political influence, and therefore, post-badme eritrea is going to be sealed off by the wall-building generation much more than ever before. One should never expect free movement of people, goods and services across the border and beyond, as long as the dia/pfdj generation and its subsequent inheritors are around.

      • Amde

        Selam Horizon,

        I see your point. I don’t know if the wall builders are a majority – my feeling is they are not. In a sense we won’t know until we get past the current impasse(s) and turn the page so to speak.

        I agree with broad outlines though… the choices boil down to the nature and extent of economic integration, and what either side is willing to give up for it.

        Amde

        • Selam Amde,

          I think that ethiopia should also prepare herself for the so-called future african single market with a common currency, that is supposed to integrate the economies of all the countries of the continent, in addition to working for bilateral economic integration. Regional economic communities do exist, but i am not aware of the level of their success.

          As in the case of the european union, which started as an economic union and later adapted a single currency since 2002, and the free movement of capital, labor and goods is a reality, from what i know, africa also plans to make such arrangement for the future. Ethiopia should therefore look in all directions for opportunities.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Amde & Horizon,

            I think your wishes is not feasible in the near future. The preconditions to your wishes are not visible on the ground. But suppose let us say, in the coming decade, the single market with single currency set in motion for purposes of economic integration, I could bet Eritrea will not join to such kind of project. My reasons for that is, because (a) we Eritreans are “suspicious” to everything (b) we are too “nationalistic” to be part of such grandiose project. Or if Eritrea took the “possibility of the impossibilities” to join to such projects, it will trigger the “divorce provision” in the agreement akin to the Brexit of Great Britain after few years in to it.

            Regards

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            I do believe that it is a very ambitious scheme for such a diverse continent to undertake an eu style economic integration. Nevertheless, if the impossible is to happen, what has eritrea to gain by not joining it? I do not believe that “suspicion” and “nationalism” are enough reasons for eritrea to exclude herself from the common good other african nations could be reaping from integrating their economies. Eritrea could continue to trade with the union, but it will be an uphill fight to compete without the economic privileges member countries are going to have.

            We cannot compare the eritrean case with that of brexit, if eritrea opts to divorce after joining the economic union. Yes, british nationalism, sovereignty, the support britain may get from the usa and the commonwealth countries, etc, were brought as factors, nevertheless, there are many uk citizens who have regretted for voting in support of brexit and they demand for the repetition of the referendum, because leaving the eu they believe is against uk’s interest, they will lose their rights in the eu, the commonwealth countries are saying that they are not ready to pay for uk’s blunder, because they were gaining some advantages from the eu through uk’s membership, already many major businesses are moving their headquarters from the city of london to places like frankfurt, paris and others, many brits are looking for ways to acquire german, french and other citizenships, etc.

            If suspicion and nationalism are to block the way of eritrea towards economic development and improved standard of living for its people through trade in a 1bn market on equal terms with other countries, then i think that eritrea will be making the wrong choice.
            Regards.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Pan-Africanism, as you well know came to light as an intellectual foundation and Africa in general, as a geo-political entity right after the decolonization of most African nations whereby it lost traction later on regrettably for a complex and plethora of reasons. That said however, regional economic integration re-emerged based on pragmatic frameworks where the political evolution of European Union as a historical precedence to learn from.

            After two major wars, that had costed millions of lives, Europeans figured a scheme whereby lest that kind of calamity never happen again in such a way that liberal democracy and common currency would deter nations from going to war against each other. More over, the unity was also designed to counter balance the resurgence of a bi-polar world as well. What started out as a “Coal and Steel Industrial Community” few years after the end of the war, it evolved into a Community of Nations as we know it today. If Ralph Waldo Emerson had declared, “Intellectual Declaration of Independence” of the US from Europe including Great Britain, European Union had asserted itself as well as a unique entity in all spheres that could have otherwise diminished its standing in a world that was fast changing including the emergence of BRICS.

            Eritrea for all practical purposes can not live in isolation like a leper-colony with a foreign policy based on “Spoilerism” in an effort to thwart all the economic and political advancement in the region. And the challenge is, the Horn nations can not move on with a rogue nation like Eritrea in the backyards. The options, among other things, seems to me, if the Eritrean people are unable to challenge the regime, the Horn nations should own the political will and try to listen to what the Eritrean leaders want. If what it takes is the withdrawal of Ethiopia from the occupied territories and demarcating the border, they should honour it. If what it takes is lifting the sanctions, I think they should comply, for the long term geo-political and economic objectives not only matter the most but Eritrea as well can play a positive role in the process. One may read it as “Appeasement”, well, if it works, why not.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paulosism,
            Since you started discussing dialectico historico materiaoism with Emma, I was running away from you. Both of you sounded ማርክሲዝም ከይጸገቡ ዝወጹ ወይ ከኣ ብእኡ ጽቡቕ ጌሮም ከይተዳህጸጹ 🙂 🙂 . I felt relieved today until you coined the ‘ism’ again somewhere sounding like ሑጻ ዝረገጸት ኩቺነታ. Since it passed rapidly, my ears are okay and finally, they heard what they want, though in a backward somersault “The options, among other things, seems to me, if the Eritrean people are unable to challenge the regime, the Horn nations should own the political will and try to listen to what the Eritrean leaders want…..”.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            ኣሻqiልካና ቀኒኻ ዳሃይ ኣይተጥፍእ ትፈልጥ ኢኻ እዚ ገዛ ብዘይባኣኻ……ግን ሓቂ ይሓይሽ ሳላ ‘ደይ-ኣብረሀት ብዙሕ ዝጎደለ ኣይነበረን.

            ኩቺነተ was the paragon of Asmarinos’ ingenuity where they had to improvise during the rough times of the mid-80s when Asmara was in a total lock-down. No electricity, no gas and no food on the table if any except imported ስርናይ ፊኖ and ፋፋ. I actually saw a young guy rolling his ailing father to the hospital on ኩቺነተ for there were no buses, taxis not even ካሮሳ for the horses were too weak to walk much less to pull a cart. The memory certainly doesn’t invoke “Proustian Moment” but glad you brought it up for it is part our history nevertheless.

          • Haile S.

            Hey Paul,
            ብኣብረሀት’ሲ ሓቕኻ። ኣፍ ዘተዕጹ ሓውቲ እያ ዘላትና።

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Haile S.
            I am with you on avoiding Marxism. They forcefully convinced us then forcefully ruled us, and then it destroyed us. As the wise ancestors say “ተጋዲልካ ትውሕጣ ማዕጺድ ኣብ ቀልቀል ተሸግር “.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abrehet,
            ግርም ዘረባ። ትምህርቲ ማርክሲዝም ኣብ ቀበሌ ኮነ ኣብ ቤት ትምህርቲ፡ ንዓይ ከም ማዕጺድ ምውሓጥ እያ ኮይናትኒ ነይራ። ከመይ ኢላ ከምዝወጸት ከማን ኣይዝከረንን።

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Dergue affected my family in a very profound way and I took it upon myself to understand the system including the political ideology it internalized and tried to be familiar with any literature that could give me an insight to that end. And as it happened, years ago, I found this book not sure if you are familiar with it, titled, “The Main Currents of Marxism: The Founders, The Golden Age; The Breakdown.” The book is considered the leading authority on Marxism and it was written by a well known Polish thinker named Leszek Kolakowski. They say, to understand Marxism, one needs to read only that book. And it is very true.

          • Haile S.

            Thank you, Paul.
            I didn’t know about this book. Good to know it for a reference.

          • Paulos

            Selam Haftey,

            You should see me laughing. Swallowing ማዕጺድ? ኣቲ? ዘይተምጽዮ ነገር የብልክን::

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            The best way to overcome this fear is to look at each and every single individual and see if they are capable of competing at their best level.

            For example, Eritrean cyclists and athletes are able to do well in the Afican continental cycling and world long distance, because they have worked hard. If there was an opportunity that they can stay in their own country, work hard, it would be possible to achieve similiar success in other sports, like Foot ball for example.

            Equally true is in business, health care, education, tourism etc. There is nothing that can prevent us Eriteans from doing well than the rest of other African people. For example, I am sure in your own profession, you will be able to excel well. Same goes for everyone else.

            You correct in our skepticism though, but it’s because we are trying to be expert in almost everything that we have no knowledge of. In other words, Eritrea today is not a normal functioning country that is run based on experts and bureaucrats. Eritrea today is run by emotions, assumptions, and for lack of better word, ignorance.

            If we have a government that is run by experts in their chosen field, there is nothing to fear. In fact we will be blessed.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe
            What about the merchandise section of Eritreans, we are good at it . We are really good at creating business where ever we go in Africa. I think the entrepreneurship of Eritreans is at par with any other in Africa. PFDJ destroyed our fundamental heritage to business in Eritrea and we are able to keep that outside Eritrea. I believe an open market policy is needed in Eritrea not for money that goes to state but for its totality that Eritreans hustle like everyone else, that is I believe in our DNA. We can match anyone in the market.

            But economic unions must come from mutual benefit that can garner enough support and space in our society with out destroying our society. Walk to west Africa they don’t have mother language that can be spoken at court we have , their social security depends on the government hand outs and most of it is Aid which a poison to economic enterprises. We need 50 years after Issaias to go it all like EU . Mind you economy is a fluid thing.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Horizon,

        I think you are making a lot of assumption that may not be accurate. Your assumption, that Eritrea will take advantage of Ethiopia, the real reason that I see from majority of wall builders on the Ethiopian side. You I think, I consider one of them.

        Eritreans have never been able to be creative and use their resources to freely exploit. If that happens, I can grantee you that, there will be more Ethiopian who will be coming to Eritrea looking for opportunity than going to Ethiopia.

        I say this, not because Ethiopians are less resourceful but it’s because the pure fact that, Ethiopian population growth is not matched with the economic growth that the country can provide, at least in the near future.

        Suppose Eritrea decided to build ONE resort that would cost 100,000,000 (100 million dollars) every year for the next 10 years. And it decides to finance it from Diaspora Eritreans by offering timeshare opportunity where 10,000 US dollars grantee you 4 weeks of vacation in the resort. I can grantee you, you will find 10,000 people every year lined up to invest in such venture. If the resort has 1000 units, that means, 1 unit is shared among 10 owners. Each owner gets 4 weeks, and that means, 40 weeks..and you have 12 weeks from each unit free to rent it out. To get 4 weeks for 10,000 is very, very generous, but I think 1 week is what I think is fair and 2 at the most so you have half of the time to make profit for running the resort.

        I know my math may not be 100% accurate, and I am not in the hospitality business but I can see the validity of that business.

        Here is what I see that benefits Ethiopians:
        1) They will very high demand in the construction work.
        2) there will be many demands in the hospitality work
        3) there will be many demands in the airline business
        4) there will be many demands for ownership in the business
        5) there will be many demands for export such as food materials etc.
        6) there will be demands in power, water and other resources.

        Here is what I see that benefit Eritreans:
        1) there will be a lot of Ethiopian tourists
        2) there will be of Ethiopian investors (time share owners or construction contractors, restaurant owners, etc).

        So I don’t think it’s totally correct to assume, that Eritrea has no means to develop it’s economy.

        I said before, Eritrea can grow it’s economy at equal if not faster rate than most other countries can do.

        I did not even mention any other opportunity that would benefit the country, the huge housing and construction that would spring board the country and kick start it’s economy. The GoE have frozen all possible development for the past 27 years and there is huge demand.

        Berhe

        • Selam Berhe Y.,

          Your comment is broad and i might have not understood all the details, nevertheless, if we take the tourism industry, it should be able to attract not only diaspora eritreans, but also tourists from europe, the arab world and even the usa, to become a lucrative industry and play an important role in the country’s economy.

          Moreover, we should also take in to consideration international and regional antagonism, from countries like egypt, the gulf states, kenya, even ethiopia, but most importantly the half trillion dollar tourism resort saudi arabia is going to build on the opposite side of the red sea.

          I think that ethiopia is approaching the 1m tourists/yearly mark, while other countries are speaking of 10, 20, 30m visitors every year, and the income an important portion of their gdp.

          Income from mining and fishery can sustain the country, but they are not going to make the country rich. I do not know if the mining industry is producing mainly gold, copper or zinc at this stage. Ethiopia has been producing gold, i remember from young age, but it has not made her rich.

          The red sea is more or less a closed sea, 150 km at its widest point and about 25 km at its exit to the indian ocean at the bab el mendeb, bordered by many countries who are fishing from the same sea, and i do not think that the prospects of a fishing industry is big, similar to what one expects in countries with an open ocean.

          That is why i say that both (mining and fishing) can sustain the country, but they are not going to make eritrea rich. Eritrea should be open to all types of businesses and be ready to do business with other countries to diversify her economy, nevertheless, if it can grow its economy at a faster rate than others, i am not sure.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            Thank you for the feed back. My comments were not to discuss the general economic viability of Eritrea. What I was commenting was to your comments Re: Eritrea will be at disadvantage in comparison to the goods it produces. The assumption was, and if I am sorry if I misunderstood you, but Eritrea will piggy back on Ethiopian economy and what ever relationship that is created is for Eritrea to take advantage.

            I was focusing on the Eritrea Diaspora population primary because it’s because they are the first potential resources of funds and at the same time customers. And in doing so, I wanted to argue what the potential benefit for Eritreans and for Ethiopians for that matter.

            Other customers are welcome off course from Europe and Arab countries. But those population have the luxury to travel into other locations so before Eritrea becomes their target destination for the mass, it will take time.

            I will not worry about S.A. or UAE, Egypt or other countries. Because they do have their own quality they can offer and I think Eritrea will offer it’s own quality as well. For example looking at the Ethiopian tourists, I can bet my money they would rather go on vacation to Eritrea rather than to S.A. Egypt or Europe for that matter. I can say the same thing about the other African countries. So I don’t think there is lack of potential at all.

            As to resources, it’s just a supplement and I don’t think it should be considered a priority. But Eritrea being in the same geographical location to most countries in the middle east, I don’t think it’s far fetched to assume the potential for resources as well.

            Berhe

        • Amde

          Selam Berhe,

          Every so often you some out with these relatively detailed investment ideas. Can I buy some share into your company?

          If you say yes, I may use the መቶሺ ሳቶሺ I will be getting from Saay as part of the seed capital. I have been worried sick that his old compadres and acquaintances in EPLFDJ might decide to change their Badme policy just so he can win. That would be truly vile.. imagine getting peace and prosperity just so an Ethiopian loses a few shekels. But if he thinks his hard earned Eritrean መቶሺ ሳቶሺ will ultimately go to an Eritrean and then into Eritrean Red Sea resorts, he might be grudgingly happy to lose, and his old friends might be ok with him losing.

          Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            I will certainly direct you to my hedge fund.

            I think Kaddis mentioned there is shortage for hard currency. I think Ethiopians need to look at ways they can increase money coming to the county from Ethiopians and others abroad with incentive to do.

            For example, One can buy Israel bonds from Canada and I am sure from the US as well. In Canada, we call it RRSP (equivalent to 401K I think in the US, Abrehet can correct me) for long term secure investment such as retirement savings.

            I think beside the population growth, lack of employment for youth, inflation is a real problem and a big challenge.

            After the Ethiopian commodity exchange, I was hoping buy now that Ethiopia would have stock exchange, specially being the political capital of Africa. I think that would be a big opportunity to inject cash to the economy, in other words I think, they should also look into the “funny money” business other than pure resources base.

            Off course I don’t know what I am taking about, may be wishful thinking.

            Berhe

    • halafi mengedi

      Amde-
      I also thought they should have discussed post-badme relationship. However, credit to them, they also didn’t spent too much talking about badme and clearly dismiss the badme excuse of ia and his supporters. The strong statement about union/federation/confederation advocates is, imo, warranted. I think there is one CONCEPTUAL wall that need to be built, and that is that there should be no hesitation that Eritrea and Ethiopia are two separate and independent countries (at least in the immediate and intermediate terms, who knows what is going to happen in 100-200 years..). It may seem obvious to many Ethiopians, but I think so many Eritreans feel threatened when they see many Ethiopians and some Eritreans advocate for re-union of some sort even if made in brotherly and sisterly spirit. And looking at prominent Ethiopian social media accounts, I have to say, it does make you feel uncomfortable to see so many people still in denial about Eritrea’s independence. It may be easy to shrug off for many of us, but for a lot of Eritreans, it may not be that easy.
      Having said that, it really is time to try to see past badme. That vision may actually be the very thing that may end the stalemate.
      hm

      • Amde

        Selam hm,

        That is an important psychological point we Ethiopians miss. After all, what is the point of a divorce if you can’t enjoy at least the feeling of being free – at least temporarily. And the vast population gulf and the exponential nature of its growth does not help. It just means the nature of the threats and opportunities will only grow over time.

        To be honest, I feel that overall changes are so fast some of these concepts of countries/peoples/states may become irrelevant within a couple of generations. Are we shifting to countries becoming a set of City-states? Do poor countries really have an option on joining into planet-strapping economic structures such the new Chinese silk road? What does the old definition of “a state is an organization enjoying a monopoly of violence over a defined territory” mean when diaspora virtual citizenship and economic clout continue to grow?

        So my feeling is the discussion of the models of formal connection (“confederation etc “) may be made irrelevant by the nature of economic integration and technology. There is a quote attributed to former Atlanta mayor and US Ambassador to UN Andrew Young… “The law is whatever a group of businessmen decide it is.” A crude statement, but he means it is a modus vivendi agreed to between people who aim to extract maximum benefit from the interactions to each other and the population.

        I guess we will see. But, again, I think it is worth discussing post- Badme than Badme itself.

        Amde

        • halafi mengedi

          Amde-
          Agree on all points here. Let the forces of economic, technological, cultural and global take their natural course. They have a better chance of brining the people together and integrating the region than any other group of people of any kind (even when these people have the best at heart). Politicians just need to create conducive environment and watch. The ‘confederation/union’ people seem to be blinded to the fact that, every time they utter a word, they spook people and make people more defensive. I think the best that well-intentioned prominent individuals or organizations could do is help people on each side imagine what possibilities lie ahead if we could resolve the current stalemate.
          hm

      • blink

        Dear HM
        I have difficulties looking at people who brag about their relationship with Ethiopians even though we know they have nothing to show to Eritreans. What is the point talking about relationships that has been all but killing. The heritage hunters and so many manufactured lies can’t be a reason to debate about. Eritreans must be selfish and openly write their own views away from kinship they imagine they have with Ethiopia. After 20 or more years Ethiopian politics will go away from the current asseb hunger games . The fact that our elders continue to drag us to their old habit and continue to insist to rewrite our history can be said agony to watch . The reason I personally don’t accept the lectures of the wounded is that I believe they are on past time and they have to move on , they have to stop acting like dictators of their own .

  • Hope

    Hello All:
    All in all,a well thought,a intelligently and deligently crafted Editorial!

    In fact,one of its kind in the last 16 yrs or so.

    But still a bit biased for:
    -Not boldly stating that Ethiopia should respect the final and binding EEBC Verdict and abide by the Intetnational Law UNCONDITIONALLY!

    -Not stating that Ethiopia should refrain from destabilizing Eritrea as well not just Somalia (S Sudan is forgotten??)through all forms of methods and approaches including through its ” No War No Peace” Policy in the name of targeting thevPFDJ Gov!
    I hope the generic statement saying that “Ethiopia should avoid any kind of interference in the Internal Affairs of its Neighbors”,which I understand that it is said or expressed diplomatically and for a reason!

    • iSem

      Hi Hope:
      There are two issues: Ethiopia withdrawing from Eritrean territories, territories that were given to TPLF by IA I must add and how PFDJ is treating our people, they are unrelated. Do you sincerely think that withdrawing will change PFDJ’s behavior. If you think so then you are complicit, there is no other description

  • Paulos

    Selam AT,

    The gist of the editorial seems to defeat the very heading you used for it. If Ethiopia remains practically unaffected by the no-war-no-peace, how does it render Eritrea Achilles’ heel of Ethiopia? I would say, “Eritrea Problem Child of Ethiopia” for the heading instead. Don’t mean to be pedantic but just a thought.

    • iSem

      Hi Paolo:
      I actually think this regarding the situation in Eritrea and the heading is both correct and wrong; Correct because the stalemate, the lack of access to Eritrea’s ports did not stop Ethiopia’s economic and political development — they have done so much good things, actually this it motivated them to become more creative. But is is also wrong because if this continues, ( read if Eritrean regime is not removed or so weakened) it can insidiously act to stir unrest in Ethiopia and the groups that want to revive the old feudal way of life and government dominated by certain ethnic groups may find a fertile land incubated by Eritrea, if the dictatorship is strengthen instead of weakened

      • Paulos

        Selam Semerile,

        I certainly do not want to take away the debate from what the editorial intends to shed on. I see your point but blaming Isaias solely for the unrest in Ethiopia is to deny the self infliction the otherwise corrupt Ethiopian leaders brought upon themselves.

        As much as demarcation and handing over Badme to Isaias hardly stops him from his lunatic adventures, it is not going to have that much impact on the stability or lack thereof in Ethiopia either for it all depends on the mechanism from with in and on their willingness to come clean of corruption and crony deals as well.

    • Hope

      Selam Dr Paulos:

      Well,the fact /the truth of the matter and the reality is that,the EPRDF Gov and its Media Outlets spearheaded by Tigraionline and the aigaforum, have/has been demonizing and accusing the PFDJ Gov day and night every time an incident happens in Ethiopia,including the Oromo and Amhara Civil Disobedience-as if the PFDJGov/Eritrea has been the root causes of all Ethiopia’s problems!

      And if that is the case,then the simple solution for all Ethiopia’s problems should be ,for Ethiopia,to make peace with Eritrea UNCONDITIONALLY!

      I found your arguement very amusing and contradictory to the facts as expressed by the Horses’ Mouth otherwise! .

      The same arguement applies to your statement alleging that the ” No Peace No War” status has not affected Ethiopia ,where the truth of the matter is otherwise as expressed by the affected Ethiopians,which,in fact,you yourself articulated( it )very well that the Tigrai People have been badly affected by that policy!

      And for that same reason,you are also on RECORD repeatedly advocating for the unconditional and Immediate demarcation of the border,if my memory serves me well!

      In the event,irrrsspective of and regardless of;and no
      Matter what,and wether it benefits both parties or only one party,the International Law should be respected .
      Peace benefits all,irrespective of who the winner or the powerful or the loser or the weaker might be!

      At times,you and Gash Amde ,Kim and Horizon included,amuse me by stating what you have been stating in a ” pessimistic way” in ref to the Ethio-Eritrean impasse as if Ethiopia has never been and will never be affected by the Evil Policy of “No War and No Peace ” status but only Eritrea and Eritreans have been and will be affected perpetually!
      That kind of attitude could be misperceived by the Eritreans as a serious sabotage of Eritrea and Eritreans,at least in my opinion.
      As far your ” Semerile’s” weirdo and wicked statements,I have no clue what to make out of that guy and out of his statements!
      I just don’t understand him at all.

      • iSem

        hi Hopay:-)
        U will understand Semerile when u imbibe the Keren berad shahi and then bath in it its sun, then go to mai Dearti and take a splash, then go barefoot and when the msmar midir (Keren nails) prickle you, your mind will open and Semerile’s ideas will sink once and for all

      • Paulos

        Selam Hope,

        I absolutely agree with you. Ethiopia needs to pull out of Badme and the verdict should be honored. Sure enough the people on both sides of the border are more affected but the need for the demarcation should not be based on economic imperatives but to remain true and to honor the final and binding agreement.

        If Isaias is going all the way to the bank to garner political capital in the aftermath of the pull out, he is going to fool only the sycophants for the clear and present danger in Eritrea is not hinged only on the fate of Badme but far more rooted on a complex web of events that have taken a life of their own with in the last 17 years or so.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Hope,
        .
        You are beginning to write longer posts. Are you trying to make up for MS. Where is he these days, I haven’t seen him since Ethiopia chose an Oromo P.M. I hope he approves.
        .
        Back to your post. I will pick out your one line…”…no matter, and weather it benefits both parties or only one party, the international Law should be respected.”
        .
        Since you are such a strong no nonsense believer of the letter of the International Law, what is your answer to the following legal opinion.
        .
        The Algiers agreement was signed in front of witnesses by Meles and I.A on December 12, 2000.
        Within a period of time the Eritrean Government, unilaterally and illegally expelled the U.N peace keeping force. That violation of the accord rendered the entire Algiers agreement null and void.
        In fact the U.N were so upset they found a way to sanction Eritrea to this day.
        You see Hope, we are all alone now left to our own devices without any agreement. What is to be done. …………..come on to the table sooner than later.
        .
        For those legal minds who advocate this line of reasoning, what is your answer. I hope, Hope, you don’t say…..what Eritrea did is different.
        .
        Mr. K.H