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Can Mesfin Hagos Lead Under a Banner of “One Country, One Destiny”?

It has become a cliché to say the Internet has changed many facets of our lives, and the claim of such a truism, however, can hardly be called an overstatement. Of general interest for this article rests in the social and political activism that continues to evolve as it creates a seemingly conducive environment for those who may not have had the chance to join in any activism before. At the root, it is all about whose narrative reigns supreme. Such supremacy appears to be measured by how many followers one has, not by the nature of the ideas being espoused. After all, Hitler, too, couldn’t have done his genocide of six million people without followers aiding and abetting and the rest resorting to indifference.

At this junction in the struggle for justice in Eritrea, do we really need to fight whose narrative reigns supreme? How does one even bring the myriad of competing voices that are proliferating over the social media into one political and social tent so they may focus on their common enemy, namely, the regime in Eritrea. Needless to say, such mushrooming of disparate elements has been one fertile ground for the regime in Eritrea to easily exploit, though it needs not do any hard lifting as the social media activists are spending the majority of their time undermining one another.

Hamstringing these de facto opposition voices is next to impossible other than finding a leader whom all could follow willingly. Imagine if the late civil rights icon, Congressman John Robert Lewis (JRL) who passed away late last month were to compete with Martin Luther King in their common fight for the Civil Rights of African Americans in the US instead of working hand-in-hand to seek change. They would have accomplished very little. JRL was clubbed by the police during a march in 1963, aka, the bloody march, in which his skull was fractured. Despite all that suffering, he never harbored hatred toward Whites. He rose through the ranks in Congress and passed critically important legislation. JRL was so revered by both parties that he was known as the conscience of congress. There is a huge lesson that can be gleaned from JRL’s life. If nothing else, let us remember the inscription in the pin that his colleague, Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi gave him last July 4th (Independence Day Holiday). The inscription in that pin reads: “One Country, One Destiny.” Can every Eritrean activist work under a similar banner to remind us all that we are fighting for justice and the rule of law to reign supreme in Eritrea?

Briefly surveying the ill-conceived ideas that some of the social media personalities harbor will show why the movement for justice continues to flummox. In other words, the proliferation has become so vast one needs to write a book to address them all in one fell swoop. Suffice it to mention, however, those who dwell over and use history to justify their claim, those who use social and political narratives with the intent of becoming the lone voices in the future of Eritrea, those who use language, ethnicity, and religion as their cardinal principles to stoke division, those who took it upon themselves to become de facto journalists are the background and the foreground of this article and the next two installments that will follow.

Interestingly, Mesfin Hagos appears to have captured the imagination of these factions, most of whom appear to want him to be the leader of their cause. The Mesfin Hagos phenomenon and the potential pivot it could garner requires a separate article, which will be the third installment. Back to the competing voices for now.

A Self-Professed Historian

It’s rather nonplussing and ironic to note that Eritrean activism compels individuals to feel the need to marginalize other Eritreans as they are trying to unseat a regime that is choking their nation. Generally, one does not become an agitator, an activist for justice to advocate an annihilation of a group who are victims of the regime all the same. September 1st, Eritrea’s national holiday, is descending upon us rather fast. It will also be Awate.com’s twentieth anniversary – a double whammy to brace for – as it will invariably bring opposing viewpoints to a sharper focus. It’s certain our self-professed historians will bring their usual bandit (shifta) mantras and variation thereof diminishing their own history, shooting themselves on the foot, as it were.

A self-professed historian of antiquities brings such a relic in an attempt of applying it to the contemporary world of Eritrea. It doesn’t take that long for anyone who pays attention to what the objective of the self-proclaimed historian is. Simply put, it is to stoke religious flames by reiterating the same divisive historical rhetoric to undermine one segment of Eritrean society; portraying a victim of the regime as an accessory to the very regime this particular historian claims to be fighting on behalf of.

No contexts but plenty of pretexts. An astonishingly preposterous claim of undermining might provide a succinct example. The late Haji Musa’s dare and a challenge to the regime in Eritrea galvanized Eritreans the world over. Our self-professed historian, however, tries to undermine it.  The Akhriya uprising of 2017 will be remembered in the annals of history books as one monumental turning point in the fight for a people’s right. This so rattled the regime it ended up detaining as young as 9-year-old children and as old as 70-year-old grandmothers and grandfathers. But don’t tell that to our self-professed historian who chose to shoot from the hip.

What our self-professed historian does not even consider is that the 93-year-old hero had departed from this earth while in the dungeon of the regime. Any sensible person – historian or not – who considers himself to be from the opposition camp would use such a gallant fighter toward making a case for justice. Not in this convoluted and topsy-turvy world we now inhabit: Dead or alive what matters in this case is how to undercut the man’s contribution by trying to draw a line of asymmetry between Abuna Antonio who remains under house arrest and Haji Musa. He tries to draw a line in the sand between the former and the latter for some incomprehensible and inexplicable reasons, which is only discernible to the self-professed historian. His expansive rhetoric reaches feverish pitch when he attempts to delve deep into the Tigrinya alphabets using psychological analysis of sexual variant which seems to parallel with the long-debunked theories of Freud.

Our self-professed historian informs his listeners that Tigrinya alphabets can be elucidated using their structures. As such he claims one can see in these Tigrinya alphabets a stickman and a stickwoman, quibbling them to sexual proclivities. This is original all right only if one is willing to admit that it is not only deviant but borders on a perversion the likes of which no Eritrean could’ve ever imagined possible. In the final analysis, after listening to a few clips of the man’s tirade, what one unequivocally would surmise is that the self-professed historian’s interest is not to effect change in Eritrea but wishes to be seen as a unique historical figure, one who is enamored with what he is unearthing. What he doesn’t realize is that he is only talking to himself. A reputable historian worth his salt would not spend insurmountable time and effort divulging antiquated historical narratives without offering any references of his research or bothering to cite his sources.

On the Political and Social Frontier:

Unlike in our self-professed historian case, here one will find a plethora of digital castrating figures, above all of whom one relentless narrator towers prominently. His brand is equal opportunity character assassination. Geography is the destiny of Eritrea’s political and economic structure he is fond of saying and seems to be the principle by which he operates. Anyone else who attempts to stick his nose out, watch out! They will be castigated to the doomsday. Relentless ad-hominem attacks, innuendos, and red herrings, which are his brand of ammunition when critiquing others’ ideas. He seldom tackles the ideas that the individuals address. His own narrative tends to gravitate to this: The center of Eritrea–in his narration-is the only rightful owner of the political and economic power structure and those who find themselves being in the peripheries by geographical and cartographical disposition, bad luck. They are condemned to live a life of kowtowing to the center from here to eternity. Their fate, as it were, is sealed forever. Biological determinism, he probably doesn’t realize this, appears to come close to defining his principles if one wishes to elevate it to a discourse level.

It does not stop there. At some convenient points, the path of German and American Eugenics appears to be where our cartographer was willing to go. Again, doubtful that the man knows these concepts. At other times, he reverts to one and only one group leading the Eritrea of the future based on linguistic identity. His positions appear to shift on what he may have watched the day before the airing of his program. Be that as it may, at the root of it all, our cartographer wishes to redraw the map of the Horn of Africa based on the languages spoken in the region to a precise curation.

Granted, this is a daunting task by someone whose background appears to be shaky at best – Doesn’t even hide his derisions toward those who have higher education to whom he would have to appeal when his fantastical objective comes to a fruition. In the age of cyberspace, otherwise unfathomable ideas that would have remained in the individuals’ heads are now being shared to thousands and thousands of people. The burden of dispelling these arcane ideas now becomes the job of other activists who try their level best, but there, too, we find people occupying media and journalism spaces to which they have very little training in and end up muddying the polluted waters of discourse further, which will be the topic of the next article.

About Beyan Negash

Activist, a writer and I am a doctoral candidate (ABD) in Language, Literacy, and Culture at New Mexico State University (NMSU). I hold a bachelor of arts in English and a master of arts in TESOL from NMSU as well as a bachelor of arts in Anthropology from UCLA. My research interests are on colonial discourse and post-colonial theories and their hegemonic impact on patriarchy, cultural identity, literacy development, language acquisition as well as curriculum & citizenship. The geopolitics of the Horn of Africa interests me greatly. My writings tend to focus on Eritrea and Ethiopia. I have been writing opinion pieces at awate.com since its inception (1 September 2001).

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  • Beyan

    Selam Woldegabriel Tesfamariam,

    Many thanks for your well thought out comments. Each piece I am writing can be discussed independently, by the way. I should’ve prefaced it in my first article. I appreciate the courtesy though. All that I’m trying to do is build a case, the culmination of which will be the third one where Mefin Hagos will be on the pedestal in the subject of contention. Not his personality but the leadership skill that would require to galvanize and mobilize the Eritrean diaspora under a banner from the borrowed phrase of “one country, one destiny”.

    Forgive me for replying belatedly as I didn’t have a chance to check awate in the last four days. It’s precisely what I tried to do with my first entry in that to bring a case study devoid of a name so that readers won’t be distracted by the personality. My efforts may have had a bit of a hiccup though since it’s in our nature to gravitate toward knowing the personalities rather than the ideas being espoused. It’s so tempting to engage on the periphery rather than on the central points a writer diligently hopes the focus of discussion to be.

    Be that as it may, it’s such “historical antidotes” that sometimes gives us a better insight than, say, trying to diminish an individual politician using identity politics, which is so simplistic a notion that I find disconcerting. It’s worth mentioning something that’s attributed to Roosevelt having said that: “Great minds discuss idea. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people”. I’m not bringing this quote to diminish discussants in this forum. I’m simply trying to highlight how succinctly you brought out a parallel historical anecdote that illuminated the complexity of human spirit and soul. The damages we do to each other in this world, the longevity of which – on average – doesn’t even go over 75 years, is just unbelievably astonishing.

  • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

    Selam Amanuel,
    I wonder where and how you got my comment. All the same, I will attempt to answer you enquiry on general terms. I believe, you agree that history is written by winners. Of course there are facts of history that winners and losers are unable to suppress, bury, distort and change at will. But facts of history are interpreted, cajoled and promoted to suit the powers to be. We cannot deny the distortion of history by the big powers. Even in contemporary history we are witnessing how the history of individuals, particularly, leaders’ treacherous history is put in the backburner. This is more pronounced when the national interest of the big powers is involved.
    In the late 80’s, I was in Zambia for about three months. My Zambian friends were telling me that the then-president, Kenneth Kaunda, was a Malawian national, who was installed by the British. Can anyone dare to prove this fact? There is ample information that isayas is an Ethiopian and/or American agent. Has there been any collaborative proof from the Ethiopian or American side? Or is it suppressed? Now let me directly go to your question. Following the creation of the Eastern and Western blocs and the ensuing cold war aftermath the second world war, Yugoslavia fell under the communist sphere of influence. Yet Yugoslavia (Tito) was able to follow a mixed economy system, that was absolutely intolerable to the Eastern bloc. How could that ever happen? During the cold war there were a lot of misinformation and disinformation as well as collaboration and suppression of information by the super powers. Tito is the nickname of Josip Broz. It is confirmed that he likes his nickname, but that is not sufficient to call for any conspiracy theory. During the last couple of decades, many articles and books were written about Tito and World War II. It would be a full time job to reference these books and articles. But the Third Reich is among the most authentic book. As a communist, Bolshevik agitator, and former prisoner of war of the Russians, it is obvious that the Russians know more about Tito than the Americans. However, both have entrenched interest on Tito/Yugoslavia because it was a buffer zone for the two super powers and would not dare to the disrupt the status quo/equilibrium. Of course, whoever Tito is, he remains a strong and visionary leader to be reckoned with.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Woldegabriel,

      You told us as authentic info that Matshal Tito didn’t live in this world up to his death in 1980. Rather someone has continued to lead the Yugoslavian resistance forces against the Nazis under his name. Yet if there were conspiratorial plot to hold his death in the war, I asked you the source for it. If there are no, then you grabbed the rumor from the thin air of unknown sources, and have tried to feed us as true story.

      Secret conspiracies that are held as “unclassified” are disclosed or classified and are disseminated by governments after decades, for public consumption. Second all gossips are not facts until they are verified as truth. Those kinds of chats and taking are limited to a round table friendly or family entertaining funs. You have still time to prove it, if you want to. Otherwise the recorded history of Marshal Josip Broz Tito will hold as true in the history of mankind. Besides, all the historical account of Tito including his nickname are true, except the one statement you made, and am challenging you to know sources of it to backup you statement. It is common in this forum that people carelessly throw statements unprovable. We have to be careful what we say and write. If not do feel bad to hold you accountable to your statement.

      With respect
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

        Selam Amanuel,
        Why was my response to your comment blocked?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Woldegabriel,

          I checked on your file in Disqus, there is nothing on hold. You could repost it, if you want.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Weldegebriel,

    Marshal Tito who governed Yugoslavia up to 1980, since the end of the World War II is not the Tito the world has known him since World War I (1914-18)? A well known leader, where 128 out of 154 UN member states had paid respect at his funeral, is not the real Marshal Tito? Can you please support your info with some references? We will appreciate your help on this matter.

    Regards

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear moderator,

    Could you please release my response to Kim from Disqus? It is in defense of Ismailo’s accusations by Kim.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Saleh,

    Today, I would like you to do me special request despite my awateness of severe time constraint. I am doing this because one political “majrat meshi”, who waits in an ambush to repeatedly accuse me, and actually several, of having posted an opinion that contained the following statement, namely, “… Ethiopia will disintegrate without TPLF thugs at the helm”. I refer you to exchange between Abi and Horizon earlier today. Sometime back, I promised to him that I was done with him, and will no more engage or interact with him. So, I do not want to violate that commitment without proper reason.

    Therefore, I would appreciate your kind effort and help if you have a way of retrieving my old statement that contains the words I have quoted. If it is true, that I made that statement, I will not hesitate to apologize because I could in no way had written “thugs” in any of my statements. To be sure, I might have written that, since I know Tigrai constitutes historically the epicentre of Abyssinia or the so called traditional Habesha, Ethiopia’s unity and geographic integrity could be in danger. If it’s vicious nature of the person in question, everyone in this forum will also know him as a scoundrel and liar.

    With many thanks in advance.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ismailo,

      If they have not quoted you, It is not your words. It is part of their blackmailing, when they are not up to par with you to debate with facts and decency. I don’t remember you to use “thuggish” word, let alone when you debate on the Ethiopian politics, not even in our internal politics. Rest assured that you are one of the few matured individuals who debate with grace and decency in this forum or in any political forum for that matter. No one can take it that badge of honor from you.

      Regard

      • Ismail Ahmad

        Selam Aman,

        I do not recall I had ever exchanged views with any of our Ethiopian brothers and sisters their country will disintegrate if the “tplf thugs” will not be at the center of power. I just wanted to be sure because there are decent Ethiopians that I respect and keep in supreme esteem.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Brother Ismail,

          I don’t imagine at all such thing will be also..I agree with my friend Aman” Rest assured that you are one of the few matured individuals who debate with grace and decency” You should continue with all moral and respect you own..

          KS,,

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

        I also think, Ismail AA, is an individual of grace and decency.
        However, what his “debate” with Horizon revealed to me today is that when it comes to Ethiopian current situation, he has a distorted view.

        He overlooks the victims of murder but criticizes when the murderer is arrested, just like you do. I expected that from you not from him.

        Scroll down and read my disgust at the cavalier attitude he displayed to Horizon.

        Mr. K. H

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam kim,

          Pls ditto to my response to your distorted reaction against Ismail AA.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            I have read your post below. What is there to be said, I have said what I have said and so is everybody else.
            I think for now, I need to keep quiet for a while and just read.

            Mr. K.H

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Kim,
          Don’t you think people hold governments in a higher pedestal that mobs. And arrest has never been a solution for political problems. Solving the problems deters mobs and lawlessness But one cannot reason out with mobs. I think you should not encourage equal treatment of the two. But that should not be seen as supporting violence. If you treat both equally there is no authority to look into maters and bring about a political solution. I think.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            It is fair to criticize Governments when they behave in a heavy handed or disproportionate manner.
            That is not what happened for the last few weeks or months in Ethiopia.
            Active politicians used an orchestrated “demonstration” augmented with assassins and operatives to pave the way for their ascension to power.
            The most recent “demonstrators” came in armed with a list of people and murdered/maimed hundreds of innocent people. They burned down the city center leaving the poor workers to stand on the bread lines for a foreseeable future.

            I think the least a responsible Government can do is arrest those involved and punish them according to law and degree of involvement.

            My beef about criticizing the Government now for the arrest, when a blind eye was turned just few weeks ago for humongous crime committed , smells politics of the worst kind.
            It ignores basic humanity in the interest of current presumed political advantage.

            Perhaps, the only plausible explanation I see is that we all pursue our own “Fox News” phenomena and base our understanding and statements on that narrow periscope.
            That does not justify or make it right in my opinion.

            Mr. K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Kim,
            Haha, the problem is i am ahead on this. When many were intoxicated, i warned Ethiopians to grab the opportunity offered by the change and show wisdom. Otherwise, you will have yourself to blame. That is a sample so find others who kept changing their principles—you do not need to convince me of that, I had it all along. Still Fox news or Pravda, you cannot rationally treat a mob and a government on the same footing. That was my main point, the rest is branching out. take care

          • Kaddis

            Selam Kim,
            My general take on opposition in Ethiopia, they live under huge pressure not to be criminalised, I don’t think they even drink and drive.
            On the killings, it’s easy tarnish protest movements by mixing hired gangs.
            Please go to Addis Standard page and read the reportage from shashemene etc..

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kaddis; I just want to ask you about Sheger’s reaction to the arrests of Jawar and Bekele Gerba. I mean what is people saying in the streets? I am guessing PMAA’s image is a little clearer.

          • Kaddis

            Ahlen Nitrikay –

            Addis, as expected is all for the jailing of both; ask them why – they just say, he is too powerful, arrogant, have a media, only fight for oromos, violent, Muslim working to eradicate orthodox christian …their biggest evidence – Jawar said angetun bemenhca enelewalen sound bite from 13 years ago speech…

            Even the government jailed him in relation to Hacchaluu killing but end up accusing him on a satellite phone in his house or something …

            Addis is ardent consumer of gov propaganda and the Amharic noisy, racist media – we are over privileged and insecure. Opdo played us well to feel encircled the last two years by complicating simple demands of the oromo – the border of Sheger and eviction of the oromo farmers. They used the youth movement to come to power and they use the same struggle to tarnish the movement leaders and make Addisababans support Abiy to feel secured. Bizzare.

            The pressure of holding Jawar and Beqele in prison is highly felt on the economy – our currency losing its value like 20-30% per few months and the economy left to free fall. There are efforts to form resistance by the oromo …like the wolaita last week …its not there yet but if the cause to fight is there – the means will form gradually. In all of this – Isiaias recklessness is highly felt by someone like me – thanks to awate dot com : – )

    • Samuel

      Selam Ismail AA,
      They say “it is difficult to prove something that doesn’t exist”. I read your messages attentively, I have never read the word “thugs” from your posts. I have been in this site for about 9 months, I have never seen you using uncultivated words when you exchange with forumers. Surprisingly, those who are trying to blackmail you are known for their uncultured words, thus don’t get surprised by their false claims. I understand it is painful to hear people claiming against your values and principles, but those individuals are known for such falsehoods. Their intention is to disseminate falsehoods and then they will make you to prove them wrong.

      Just my own opinion, remembers this, for those individuals and groups “Telling Truth will be against their own existence and interest.”, thus don’t expect them to apologize or retract their false claims, they don’t. Blaming and denial is the main tool they use.

      With regard to Tigray being epicenter of Ethiopia, most sensible politicians and intellectuals (Ethiopians and non-Ethiopians) who have the knowledge and historical facts about Ethiopia, they have similar view “Tigray is the core state of Ethiopia”. I don’t think your statement is factually incorrect, but as I said earlier “Telling Truth will be against their own existence and interest.”

      Generally, You don’t need to prove false claims made by lairs and deceivers. Have you ever seen them admitting the wrong doings of HS and Derg? NO they don’t, there is always an excuse for that, because it is against their existence and interest. Today, they want us to concentrate on Shashemene atrocities. It is true the cruelty act that happened in Shashemene is inhuman, the perpetrators has to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

      However, the government should have protected innocent citizens from such perpetrators. The cause of all the evil act is the weakness of the government, it is due to the undemocratic nature of the government. You can’t isolate the atrocities from the government (Abiy).
      Who organized “Qeerroo” and “Fano”? it was Team Abiy/Lemma and team Gedu. In 2016, 2017 and 2018 it was considered a holy act when those groups (“Qeerroo” and “Fano”) burn houses, close roads, etc, today it is seen as evil act. Who are they kidding? Where is the principle and value?

      There shouldn’t be selection of crimes, the government is killing innocent citizens in Oromia, South, etc using Abiy special force, they have to condemn the government equally. They can’t just talk about Shashemene and leave the other crimes as if it didn’t happen.

      To be honest with you, the reason why they are concentrating on you and others is because you are speaking the truth based on the facts on the ground, however they don’t have the habit to live with TRUTH and facts.

      “Hatred is sneaky — because it can seem justified. It can be built slowly through self-interest, deception, pride, jealousy, guiltiness and fear.”

      Thanks,

      • Kokhob Selam

        Thank you Samuel,

        I have been following this site almost years now and from the beginning I have never read Ismail to say something like this ..Never…. And almost I am sure I trust this person more than my self.

        KS,,

    • Saleh Johar

      Sorry Ismail,
      I have no tricks there. Go to disqus and bring your comments and search them. Sometimes you have to read them all. But if someone says you said something, ask them to kindly refresh your mind with the quote. If they remember it, it is easier for them to find it.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Saleh,

        Appreciate your answer. I understand how laborious the operation is. Thank you for the advice. The allegation revolves around something posted years back, according to the person who peddles this whenever he thinks an opportunity came his way. Yes, he should have the record in hand because he throws this stuff from time to time.
        Now, thus, I should simply pass this as cynical lie until he summons courage and modicum of decency and reposts the message for all to see. So, I rest the case because I am innocent until proven guilty; and until then, the individual remain a pathological liar and spoiler. I regret I used this space for personal defense at the expense of the main thread and I sincerely thank all who took note and commented on the issue.

  • Haile S.

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    ግርማዊነታቸው ወሪዶም ትማሊ ናብ ሳዋ

    Expo ከፊቶም HAMAMOS መሪቆም ኣንቢበ
    ኣጽባሕኩ ሃማሞስ’ከ ‘ታይ’ዩ? ኣብ ሓሳብ ደይበ

    HUMMUS ሽሮ ዓረብ ጥራይ ረኸብኩ ከናዲ ትርጉሙ
    HAMAMOS ዝብለ ቃል ኮይኑ ተረፈ ትርጉም ሕርሙ

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    ዝኾነ ኮይኑ ምምራቅ ክፈትዉ ግርማዊነታቸው ናህና
    ናተይ ኢሎም ሒዞማ እታ ናይ ቀዳማዊነታቸው ንጉሥና

    ምረቓ ክፈትዉ ከም ኣረጊት ካብ ቁልዕነቶም
    ዝመረቕዋ ትበጽሕ እያ ይውረ ኩላ ናቶም

    ናይ ልብኻ የስምረልካ ይምርቑ ሕልኮ እናመለስሉ
    መንእሰይ ምረቓ ትበጽሖ ይስደድ ኩሉ ተዓዲሉ!

    ንሶም ይምርቑ፡ ደቂ HAMAMOS ይስደዱ
    ኢንጂነራት ኮይኖም ይነብሩ እንሆ ኣብ ዓዓዱ

    • Brhan

      መርሓባ ሃይለ
      ኣቶ ጓንጉል (ጎግል) ሓቲተዮምስ ከምዚ በሉኒ
      Hamamos is vocational and technical school, at Sawa military training camp.
      ኣብ ባርካ ወይ ድማ ሳሕል እትርከብ ዓዲ ደኣ ከይትኸውን

      በል መልሲ እንተሂበካ ቡነይ ዳብል ዳብል ኢያ

      • Haile S.

        Selam Brhan,

        የቀንየለይ! ኣነ’ሲ ኣህጽሮተ-ቃል (abbreviation) ዶ ይኸውን ኢለ ነይረ። ግና ዝበልካዮ ተቐቢለዮ ኣለኹ። ናይ ጀበና ኣወል ቡን ጋቢዘካ ኣለኹ።

    • Consolation

      ኣቶ ሃይለ

      ከልቢ ተነብሐ
      ብኽያት ተበዝሐ
      ለይቲስ ነይወግሐ
      ገመል መሰክሐ
      ይምርሽ ናረግሐ
      ንኹሉ ዝነብሐ
      ሃገር ናመርሐ
      መገዲ ናስፍሐ::

      ማ.ሞ.ስ. ማእከል ሞያዊ ስልጠና

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Selamat Consolation

        ገመል ‘ኳ ጉድ ረኺቡ
        ኣብ ዘበን-ህግደፍ ተበሪዙ ሽሙ
        ናይ ህግደፍ ገመል
        ኣቦ ዓጸቦ ድኽነት ጥሜት ተሸሊሙ

        እምበር
        ምምራሽ ደኣ እወ ይምርሽ
        የግዳስ ትዝምርሾ
        ካብ ገሃነም ቁሩብ ‘ዩ ዝፎክስ

        ካን ከምዛ ዝብለካ

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ኮንሶላስዮን፡

        ኣገጣጥማ ግጥሚ ናይ ጳውሎስ፡ ብሓደ ወይ ብክልተ ቃላት፡ ግርም ጌርካ ሒዝካያ 🙂 :-).

        በል እዝግትነማርያም ትሃብካ
        ናይ ልብካ
        መርገም ወዲ መርገም ገዲፍካ

        ኣንታ እዚ ምስኪን ገመል እባ በየን ወረስክሞ
        ጭኮ’ንበሳ ምሓሸኩም ናይ ሃዘሞ

        ከምኡ ክትፈሓናጨሩ !
        ክትታኾቡ ከም ጭርናዕ ጭሩ!

        ኣብ ሃገርና ከልቢ ገመል ርእዩ ኣይኮነን ዝነብሕ
        ጠፊኡካ’ዶ ንኣኻ ለይቲ ኣብ ደምበ እንታይ ከም ዝሰርሕ

        P.S. እታ ‘ሃ’ ሃገራዊ ማለት ድያ? ይመስለኒ።

        • Consolation

          Haile S,

          If you don’t know why the Camel has become the symbol of Eritrea then you should go back to your hiding place!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Consolation,

            Thank you for the cartoon. I like cartoons, dogs and camels. But, not when they bark or rut at each other.

          • Consolation

            Selam Haile and Kokhob,

            You are welcome. Google has many specialized search engines for books, images etc. You can use the image search facility at https://www.google.com/advanced_image_search

            ዓሳ እንተሂብካዮ
            ሓንሳብ ኣምሲሕካዮ
            ምግፋፍ ዓሳ ተምሂርካዮ
            ምሉእ ሂወቱ ቀሊብካዮ 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Consolation,

            Our Consultant, do you try to be smarter? Who in this stage of life don’t know this? In this edge of life, don’t try to show as this..

            We are more advanced than you imagine..

            KS,,

          • Consolation

            KS,

            It was meant kindly. There was no intention to show off. Balzac says about break-ups between lovers, “They ended as all passions do end — by a misunderstanding.”

            https://pixfeeds.com/images/14/386601/1200-386601-480263484.jpg

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Friend Consolation,

            Okay, but why go for “misunderstanding” when things are open at this stage of life? See, Everything is clear and people should learn more when comes to life..Every problem in life is somehow with reason no problem is without solution..Do you agree?

            KS,,

          • Consolation

            KS,

            No I don’t agree that “no problem is without solution.” Now, I am going to show off. There are problems in logic and mathematics which have no solution. Take the Barber paradox: In a village there is a barber, let’s call him B, “who shaves all those, and those only, who do not shave themselves.” The question is, does B shave himself? This what the Wikipedia page says

            Answering this question results in a contradiction. The barber cannot shave himself as he only shaves those who do not shave themselves. Thus, if he shaves himself he ceases to be the barber. Conversely, if the barber does not shave himself, then he fits into the group of people who would be shaved by the barber, and thus, as the barber, he must shave himself.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Consolation,

            Yes, everything is should be solved..even the one you brought above is supposed to be solved by any way possible.. “The barber cannot shave himself as he only shaves those who do not shave themselves. ” so now he can go to another Barber and be solve the the problem is solved..

            “But you probably meant socio-political problems” No,I mean all problems. socio-political problems is not even different but there is a solution for every problem..I mean it..everything is temporary and it all lasts no more than it’s scale of life..You should now that all will pass too. isn’t it?

            KS,,

          • Consolation

            KS,

            The Baraber paradox which is related to the Russell paradox cannot be so easily disposed off. Your solution introduces another barber. I should have specified that there is only one barber. It is not the practical problem we are trying to solve, but the logical. These kind of paradoxes are deep problems in logic, mathematics and computer science. I suggest you read the book

            Impossibility: The Limits of Science and the Science of Limits which you can download at

            https://epdf.pub/impossibility-the-limits-of-science-and-the-science-of-limits.html

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Consolation,

            I noted lately just now you are a bit advanced as you are still in an illusion stage, keep going more till you are in 5D. Keep going without any frustration…

            KS,,

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you Consolation,

            Only for the picture…for proper image I will use it some where else if if find proper place..

            But you use it in wrong place..Hailat is not good example to this Image and I think you are..

            KS,,

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    Look at the security of Abiy, how they are going house to house, and beating their own citizens in Hararighe ,the same as they did with Welyata and Oromia people. The smart Tigray people retreated from Addis to protect the Tigray people from such kind of abuse from Abiy’s and Issayas’s security apparatus. Abiy is a perfect student on the cruelties of Issayas.

    https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=2965882073445611&_rdr

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Aman,
      Heartbreaking brutality and savagery in display. I think Abij’s theatrics of “medemer” has run out of steam, and he is bringing himself to the brink. In such a scenario, doomsday may not be too far though the cost will be greater unnecessarily.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Selam Ismail and Aman.

        The “Medemer” principle is good to listen it..He is perfect student of our IA and very intelligent among students of the entire nation of population..He has got the world wise degree of Nobel peace for this action. I know early about his soft talk,

        So, let us convince those Ethiopians among us that this man is not peaceful and let them understand it and come their mind and soul ..The cycle is also bad for us..

        KS.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Kokhob,

          Very glad that your health has improved. Your alert mind and gift of articulation you had made us to know are back in force, thanks God.
          Yes, it is very sad that a man many of us had supported and hoped to become a kind of model in our troubled region, has proven superficial. Not only the peoples in our region, but the wider world opinion has been deluded. He has proven just the same like his predecessors who started as all-knowing angel’s of peace and turning to ruthless devils of repression once they sit on the saddle of power. About the Nobel Prize, that had long turned to a means of strategic advantage procuring relic in the hand of the powerful.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Ismail.

            Thank you, gentle man for this nice post. I am really honored to get such from someone like you— honest and perfect man.

            Thank you again.

            KS

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Kokhobay,

          As Ismailo has once explained it,
          that “medemer” is not a philosophy, rather, it is a slogan without any ideological elements in it. Even the so called defenders of this brutal regime, they don’t have a clue what his medemer entails. Thanks to “time” (ግዜ) that his true “ambition for power” and his “true character” how he brutally handled the grievances of the Ethiopian people is exposed in real time and space. Again “time” will make him to give back the “power of the people” as it did to many in the history of mankind, and he will go to the dustbin of history like his predecessors. The blood of the Ethiopian people will not go in vain.

    • Nitricc

      Greetings Aman-H; it is amazing how unfair you are. You never said a word when your TPLF thugs were massacring the Oromo and the Amara. I have no idea what kind of pills the TPLF thugs treated you. Have you said anything when the Oromo and Amara were gunned down, your fake sympathy about the link you have provided could have some moral clarity. You are exposed the level of hypocrite you displayed. the good thing is your TPLF thugs are dead and give it up.

      • Dongolo

        Selam Nitricc. The TPLF has and continues to pay massive sums of money to Eritrean ‘opposition’. It should come as not surprise as to why those who benefit become blind, deaf & mute when it come to horrendous crimes committed by the TPLF which span 3 decades.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Dongolo: I have never met Aman-H but i have met people who knows him and each of the them said Aman-H is the most principled person but i doubt that, he risks everything when it comes to the TPLF thugs. I don’t know may be he is a Tigryan, i have no idea but anyone with a sensible mind can’t be this blind. When the corrupter evil Melles Zenawi died , he mourned for extended years. I can’t put my fingers to it. May be he is Agazian in closet, it is not healthy.

    • Haile S.

      ሰላም ኤማ፡

      እዚ’ሲ ንመከራፈሲ ዘምጻእካዮ እዩ ዝመስል! ጌጋ ይኽልኣለይ እምበር ብFebruary 20 ዝተለጠፈ እዩ ዝብል። ዓመት እውን የብሉን። እቲ መህረምቲ ግና ኢሰብኣዊ እዩ፡ ከምቲ ዝበልካዮ።

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,
        Check the second link how he is filling the prison houses, that once he emptied it. Second, the crises did not start with the death of the artist just recently, it has been there since he came to power. He created the crises himself, by trying to disassemble the system. Have you noticed that there is no a single kilil that support him at this point, even his own state. Have you seen large demonstrations by Wayleta people in the southern kilil? The killing and jailing is continuing unabated everywhere, except in Tigray.

        • Paulos

          Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

          Not sure if you’ve seen the extensive report from the “Crisis Group” where it is a complete shift from “Game Over” to a recommendation for a national dialogue between Abiy and TPLF. They acknowledged that the daunting challenge the nation faces is beyond anyone’s capacity where it can send the nation into a total break up.

          Thing is, as much as the organization is an extension of the West’s policy on Ethiopia who gave a green light for Abiy to come to power, now they realise that not only Abiy is not cut out to deliver but TPLF is a power to reckon with so much so that it is only working with TPLF that Abiy can lead effectively. Of interest, the Crisis Group suggested for the South African President to play a mediator between Abiy and TPLF on account that he has excellent relations with both when Isaias in principle would have been the best choice but he is passed over not only for the Nobel Prize but for mediation as well due to his reckless and chronic losing streak.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            I haven’t seen/read it yet. I will try to find out. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. To your point there is no solution without negotiating with TPLF and other noticeable parties. This country is a multicultural state that demand a fair distribution of power to find the equilibrium between the centrifugal and centripetal social forces. There is no alternative solution to this philosophical approach. They can not find again like the man, who create modern Ethiopia with multicultural constitutionalism, and devolved power distribution between the center (the federal government) and the peripheries (the established states).

            Second, Ethiopia can not be governed by a single party with the current Ethio-sociopolitical relationships. The relationship of the social groups is severely strained to form a single party from all the social make up of Ethiopia. They need a long process of healing and trust building. Therefore, they have to come back to the same “front-parties” maybe, two to three of that nature to compete on nationwide elections.

            Regards

          • Samuel

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            What is worst is that the single party (PP) has been owned by one narcissistic individual since its inception. Everything is under his name, even the different grants he received from gulf states and other sponsors he never let the parliament know about its auditing. He has been writing checks from 4Kilo to whoever he wants. He doesn’t have a single structured way of doing business.

            It is true that he had an ambition and a prophesy to become PM/King but he never had vision what he wants to accomplish. He has no idea what Ethiopia looks like, he doesn’t know the different interests in Ethiopia. To hide his weakness he has been blaming TPLF and OLF, but that excuse had an expiration date. Now, he has no one to blame but himself.

            When you get a chance watch this video, the person speaking in the video is colonel Binyam Tewelde, he was a friend of Abiy at INSA and he worked with him for more than 15 years.

            FYI, he was arrested by Abiy admin for about two years. In this video he discusses about Abiy psychological makeup. I found it interesting to watch.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLWXfWRJNnY

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            There could be some element of truth to what Biniam said but at times the guy [Biniam] comes across with full of BS when he excessively intellectualize and rationalize when he could have answered a rather straightforward question with simple and straightforward answer. He should be mindful of the audience. He sounded like he wanted to play it safe lest he offends Abiy. In any case thank you for sharing the link.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            I agree, he was not mindful of the audience, he was more of philosophical and psychological explanation. It is interesting point of view.

            Thanks,

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            I wonder if you remember Saay’s post complaining about why many Tegaru seem inclined to explain away every Eritrean complaint with “identity crisis.” I think it was during a heated discussion between T. Kifle and the rest a few years ago.

            I have been cringing ever since whenever I hear a Tigrayan mentioning the word psychology in any context. So, I was thinking of your post and wondering what Saay would make of Biniam’s psycho-analysis of Abiy while listening to the interview.

            I liked the interview overall, but I agree with you and Samuel that he should have explained his friend Abiy in layman’s terms.

          • Teodros Alem

            samuel
            Ur pathetic ……aside
            tplf want u, mm and brha to listen to the former tplf’ s member(wadi belata) interview. Abby stehaye, aboy sebehat , seum mesfin, debre ste want u guys to listen to him so that u don’t hurt urself farther. i’m just a messenger. i think Nitricc posted one of it, so that ur life will not end up pathetic like aman.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TA,

            You can’t even be a messenger. I don’t think the forumers could understand your scribbling nor do they take you seriously. Messengers are good communicators and good writers. You don’t have those virtues.

          • Teodros Alem

            samuel
            I told u , go listen the interview , it has 2 part and 3rd part is coming, it’s on fana, it will help u easy ur pain.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Friend Samuel,

            Thank you for the above link..5 parts are there..very interesting and very deep knowledge, He created his new Binyam Tewelde more matured and advanced.

            My advice to every one of you is to watch all 5 parts if time allow you..Prison is university too if start to think…I admire this person..

            KS,,

          • Samuel

            Selam Kokhob Selam,
            Yes, I have watched all of them. It seems he has created new Binyam, I see some kind of positive dynamics in his life.

            Thanks,

          • mad mullah

            Hello Samuel,
            It seems you are on mission to discard or tarnish the reputation of Dr. Abiy not for what he has done but some psychological insight you have gathered from ex-prisoner. I am not even sure if this person is psychologist or has any qualification.
            You seem to say he had ambition to be prime minister and he has achieved it… what is wrong with that?
            Now you are accusing him of not having vision on what he wants to accomplish…
            I can tell you he has brought peace in the Horn. 20 year stalemate was transformed to opportunity for peace and engagement… he is working on other areas… things don’t happen over night…

          • Samuel

            Selam mad mullah,
            Facts first — the guy in the video (Binyam Tewelde) is Abiy’s long time friend/colleague, he has worked with him for more than 15 years. Generally he knows him well.

            Regarding his ambition, there is nothing wrong with his ambition and fulfilling his ambition, but you missed the point. My point is, the country is going down-spiral, we are more divided than ever. If you follow Ethiopians politics, Abiy is killing more than anytime in the last 29 years, prison places are full, schools are now became prison places.

            Have you read what Brhan shared above? about Al Jazeera report “More than 9,000 arrests in Ethiopia”. The report says — Among those arrested was opposition activist Dejene Tafa, who police dragged from his bed in the middle of the night on July 8 as he slept next to his pregnant wife.
            Is that peaceful leader for you?

            Why is he killing innocent citizens in thousands? Why is he arresting innocent citizens in tenth of thousands? What was his vision when he had an ambition to become a PM?

            You said “I can tell you he has brought peace in the Horn“, what peace? who is the beneficiary of that peace? Few dictators or people?
            You can support Abiy all day long, I have no problem with that, however you can’t deny the situation in the country. I can understand that you may not trust me, but how about the international news media? How about the innocent citizens who are dying in the streets every single day by his special force?

            Thanks,

          • mad mullah

            Hello Samuel,
            I agree so what… just because you are friend with someone doesn’t make a psychologist… you might have some ideas or views of person but again that doesn’t make a psychologist.
            Anyway, I can see that he has brought peace and is in process of bringing the somalia faction.
            It is admirable that his advance degree is in “peace-making” which is beneficial to folks of horn.
            In order to have healthy and constructive society you need stability and security… that is how I see some of his internal action.
            I don’t believe the exaggeration that “innocent citizen” are “dying in the streets every single day”…
            Dr. Abiy is trying to lead and win people over not harm them.
            I know you would be surprised by this but I think Dr. Abiy might go down in history as combination of Menelik and Abuna Selema in terms of his trans-formative impact on Ethiopian political landscape.

      • Peace!

        ሰላም ሃይለ,

        ናይ ህግደፍ ደገፍትን ናይ ህውሓት ደገፍትን ሐደ ዓይነት ባህርይ ኣሎዎም ንቲ ዘስግኦም ጥራይ እዮም ክጎዩ ዝውዕሉ ፍትሒ ዝባሃል ኣይሰርሕን እዩ ኣብኣቶም:: ህዝቢ ኦሮሞ ብህውሓት ንዓመታት ክግፍዕን ክቕተልን እንከሎ ኣማንኤል ሕድራት ንህውሓት ኣጆኹም ይብሎም ንይሩ ሕጂ ድማ ግምጥል ኢልካ ፍትሒ ይብሃለለይ::

        ናይ ኢትዮጵያ ገዲስኒ ኣይኮነን ግዳ እቲ ድቤት ድቤት እንዳበሉ ርእስና ዘጽሙምና ዘለው መን ምስ መን ክኸውን ከምዘለዎ ዝርድኦም ኣይመስለንን::

        Peace!

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም ፒስ፡

          ኣብዚ መስቀላዊ ዛዕባ፡ ናይ ጸላእየይ ፈትዊ ጸላእየይ፡ ናይ ፈታውየይ ጸላኢ ጸላእየይ፡ ንዓይ ናይ ድቤት ትርጉሙ ክርፍስ እዩ። ደቂ ኣባ ሻውል ምስ ደቂ ዕዳጋ ሓሙስ፡ ደቂ ኣኽርያ ምስ ደቂ መደሽቶ፡ ደቂ ጣባ ምስ ደቂ ማይበላ።
          ክርፍስ እንድሕሪ ደሊኻ፡ ነቲ ዝተገብረ መጋነኒ ትውስኸሉ። እናጥኮኻ እኹል ኣይኮነን።

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            In that kind of world when the hormones as in Testosterone was in an over-drive, the competition was fierce either to establish the alpha male status or to expand a turf. One had to have one of the three to make it through the teenage years and graduate into adulthood. Lots of money, physically strong–well built or a sleek with a sharp tongue. I had neither and that was precisely the reason I found refugee in the Libraries.

            That said however, the range of sophistication to make alliances and to break; to use one for a pawn and drop one when one is indispensable no more was limited when a sense of innocence ruled the day. It was when politics and nasty politics at that started to kick in our otherwise pure heart got corrupted to the extent of as you said melodrama, hyperbole became common vocabulary. I miss those innocent years as in ብጊዜ እኒ እኒ ሕምባሻ ኸሎ እምኒ!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ፖል

            ኣየየ! ኣርእስቲ ስሒትኩም ኢልና ሰብ እንዳማሰና
            ናይ ግዜ ብጥዕሙ ኣዘኪርካ እስኪ ኣህጽጸና

            እሞ ብጻይ ረኺብካ!

            ጆርጆ ዝብሃል ዓርኪ ነይሩኒ። ተሰዊኡ እዩ። ኣብ ገዛውቱ ዘሸግረና ከልቢ ነይሩ። እቲ ዋና ከልቢ መዘናይ ቆልዓ ክኣ ንዓይ ስመይ እዩ ነይሩ። ሓደ መዓልቲ በቲ ጥቓ እንዳ ኸልቢ ክንሓልፍ፡ ኣነ ከይንከስ እምኒ ኣብ ኢደይ ሒዘልካ። ሽዑ እቲ ነግራም ቆልዓ፡ ርእዩኒ ይመጸልካ። ሽዑ ኣነ ንጀርጆ “ንዓ ቡቻ ንጻወት ኢለ፡ ነታ እምኒ ሸፈፍ ኣበልክዋ” እብለካ። ጆርጆ ዓርከይ ዓቢና ክሳብ ንሜዳ ዝኸይድ፡ ንዓ ቡቻ ንጻወት እንዳበለ የላግጸለይ ነይሩ።

          • Consolation

            ኣቶ ሃይለ፥

            ናይ ጸላኢኤይ ጸላኢ ፈታዊኤይ
            ንወያን ዝሰጎገለይ ከም ሓወይ
            ናይ ፈታዊኤይ ፈታዊ ፈታዊኤይ
            ንኣቢይ ዝፈቱ ከም መቕርበይ::

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      I think, we need to take a long view of history to understand contemporary Ethiopia so much so that the geographic precept might suggest one nation, the political history on the other hand is striking to say the least. There was never one political entity, a multi-National-State instead. It is this brutal reality that is weakening Abiy where he is politically defeated in a foregone conclusion. Instead of accepting defeat, he is resorting into first-attack-is-the-best-defence, a policy imported from Isaias. That can only last for far too long before he realizes that, those who resorted into silencing the people through brute force ended up being the vanquished when those who have the people a voice left enduring legacy. In the end, Ethiopia is not Eritrea and if it worked for Isaias it is because the two trajectories are farther apart than closer.

    • Peace!

      Hi Amanuel Hidrat,

      Why were you so quiet when TPLF looting, torturing and killing the same same people, what has changed now, or is it halal for TPLF and Haram for Aby?

      The Ethiopian issues should be left to Ethiopians, but you, as an opposition figure, don’t seem to care about injustice as long as TPLF survives and controlled Eritrea. You keep blaming mistrust for the lack of unity against PFDJ, but here you are the perfect example.

      Ops, why? TPLF has postponed the election in contrary to what the digital weyane have been blindingly advocating for.

      Peace!

      • Nitricc

        Hi Peace; where the hack have you been? i hope you are doing okay. I need your help; what is up with Aman-H? I mean what is going on? he is not someone just anybody; he has done what the nation asked of him but what is he undying love to the TPLF thugs? can you help shading some light?

        • Peace!

          Hi General,

          You are a veteran here in this forum you know everyone more than I do. TPLF has waged a physiological war agains Eritrea and Eritreans using Eritrean foot soldiers. Assenna, meshrefet, and many deleiti Fithi are on TPLF’s payroll. It is not about injustice rather it is all about business plain and simple.

          Peace!

          • Paulos

            Hey Pace,

            Ben tornato fratello. Didn’t know there was physiological war. Just messin’ with you when it is a typo for psychological. Again welcome back. Hope all is well with you.

          • Peace!

            Hi Paulosay,

            It is Peace, not pace ባርጂ lol, Thanks

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            ዓቢ ሰብ,

            ኣታ ፋራ ኣዝማሪኖ ተባሂልካ ኢታልያኖ ዘይትዕርፍ! ፓቸ peace ማለት’ዩ ብጥልያን!

          • Peace!

            Hi Paulosay,

            ናይ ፋራ ካብ ኣምጻእካ:) ሓደ ዝማሪኖ ንሓንቲ ፍራ ኣብ ሓንታ ላተርያ ይቆጽራሞ በሊዖም ምስወድኡ እቲ ኣዝማሪኖ ኢዱ ክደርዝ ዓው ኢሉ ሶፍት ኣዚዙ ንሳ ኻኣ ትቕብል ኣቢላ ኣነ ጸጊበ እየ በሎቶ ንሱ ኻኣ ኣጆኺ ኣሞረ ዝብላዕ ኣይኮነን ምስ በላ እወ እፈልጦ እንድየ ዝስተ እዩ በሎቶ:) ሕጂ ኻኣ እወ ይፊልጦ ኣንድየ ነብሲ ማልት እዩ::

            Peace!

          • Paulos

            ዓቢ ሰብ,

            Of course, you knew. It was my way of welcoming you. And thanks for the joke. Funny!

    • Aligaz G

      AH,

      You look silly by depending on facebook sources and presenting propaganda to readers as news. I also suspect it must have been years since you were in Ethiopia. Fyi most Tigreans have not left Addis. The ones that left are mostly a few big political operatives. Why do you care so much anyway?

      • Brhan

        Hello Aligaz,
        I just want to share with you this link.
        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/9000-arrests-ethiopia-june-killing-singer-200813135002131.html
        What do you think?

        • Aligaz G

          Brhan,

          What is news in the Aljazeera story? If I am not mistaken Abiy’s gov has altready reported it has arrested thousands including it’s own officials.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Aligaz,

        Abiy is the enemy of Eritrean aspirations who claimed that our struggle was a wasted effort. He extend the lifespan of our despot, in an endeavor to get a help from him to stay in power with iron fist and brutality. We are watching that brutality in full display the world to watch it. If this does not make me concerned being in politics, then I am not a political animal but ‘an outcast like a bird which flies alone’ to borrow Aristotle’s argument.

        • Aligaz G

          AH,

          With respect – if you have problems with Abiy’s policies towards Eritrea then by all means have at it. But your zealotry towards TPLF interests to the level of repeating propaganda in the name of simple political concern doesn’t fly. Actually it could be any issue and it could be any Awate forumer, if I see a post that is simply propaganda or wrong then generally I will post something. The point being if people want propaganda then there is Facebook or YouTube and other places where they can drink their favorite kool aid. I am one of those naive types here that believe there should be more serious discussions in this forum. Unfortunately there are many that come here to flog their political messages or even sometimes to attempt to derail opposing political viewpoints.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Aligaz,

            Are you saying there is no killing and mass incarceration by the Abiy regime? Are you saying it is just a propaganda? Then defending abusive government and painting his action as instrumental for democratic institutions, is a propaganda of the high order in politics.

            Second, you could make your argument against the information out there, if they are not happening. But relegating as propaganda without addressing it is simply defending the brutal regime.

          • Aligaz G

            AH,

            Read my message to Brhan below about the incarcerations. And good luck with your mission but I don’t feel.like wasting time with you today. cheers

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            Stop mixing up short comings of the government, enforcing rules of law and injustice as the same and one. nobody said ethiopia is a matured democracy nor there is no short comings when the government forces enforce rule of laws, or the government is democratic with out any faults. I have a lot of issues with the government.
            the question is u said ” 3A (other country leader) is a friend of pia so he is my enemy” that is what u said?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TA,

            You have said “I have a lot of issues with the government”. Do you care to share with us?

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            It is nothing to do with u or foreign policy, it about misleading info, organized gangs(cadre, militia, social media), and so on and about addis, welkeyt.

          • Desbele

            Selam Amanuel,
            “the current government of Ethiopia under Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed is a terrorist state…” Dawit Woldegiorghis
            https://www.zehabesha.com/state-terrorism-in-ethiopia/

          • Paulos

            Selam Desbele,

            Many thanks for sharing the link. It is really extraordinary statement to read—coming from Dawit Weldegiorgis for obvious reasons. Many including in this Forum are still rooting for Abiy on account that he is enemy of the Tigrean people. Little did they know that, Tigrai under TPLF is the center of gravity that can hold Ethiopia together and that is precisely what Dawit Weldegiorgis has understood.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You are lying big time and you know it. You should be embarrassed by your above comment.
            Abiy is not an enemy of Tigrean people. Tplf is the enemy of the Tigray people.
            The thugs are holding the people of Tigray hostage.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You got it reversed. The Tigrean people are holding TPLF hostage. At gun point, the people of Tigrai are taking TPLF to the ballot box. And of course, Abiy is the enemy of the Tigrean people. Dawit to his credit knew what is coming, and you need to think harder.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Year, right!
            ሲያመኝ አታስቀኝ አሉ ሴትዬዋ!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            The man never was my fav for obvious reasons but I take him very very serious. Remember, he was in the military with a rank ሻለቃ in tandem with a Law degree from Columbia U. That certainly is a killer combination in a man who is extremely shrewd with a sense of history who also understands Ethiopia’s strategic depth with respect to Egypt and the Horn as well. You need to pay attention to what he says. I am not saying this simply because he comes hard on Abiy but again, there are certain people you can not ignore at all whether you like them or not.

          • Saleh Johar

            Pau;os,
            A little correction. Dawit never knew what was coming, he even tried to lure me to the Medemer wagon for which he was so excited. He just woke up is more like it

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Desbele,

            Thank you for the link, buddy. Abiy’s government act of killing and mass incarceration, indeed amounts to “state terrorism.” One who embrace a Known state terrorist is always a candidate for a state terrorist. That is why አቦው ክምስሉ “ምስመን ከምትኸይድ ንገረኒ መን ምኻንካ ክነግረካ” ዝብሉ::

        • Teodros Alem

          aman h
          In other words what u r saying is, u don’t know how international diplomacy working, u don’t have a clue how diplomatic relations between countries working, u don’t know what it means national interest, u obviously gave up on ur country eritrea, u r obviously can’t control ur emotion, ur anger, sadness, jealousy and so on.
          In short, what u saying is, u r wannabe politicians but pathetic foot soldier.
          i know ur sadness, misery, angry don’t make u admit it.

  • Brhan

    To Dongolo, Consolation and et al .. in case you miss it it was sent to Nitricc who until now has not replied to it

    In Eritrea….
    There is no consitution
    There is no parliament
    There is no free judiciary

    In Eritrea…
    The gov’t can arrest you without trial
    It also can kill you in no man’ land

    In Eritrea
    There is no freedom of speech
    Except what the dictator say
    If you think otherwise…bleak will be your days

    In Eritrea
    Warsay* has become a slave
    Not able to marry and have his own family
    Years pass by while his generals enjoy drinking whisky

    In Eritrea
    The elders and the children
    are fleeing to Ethiopia and the Sudan
    Some die under the hot desert
    and some by the cruel sea

    And we hang these all dirty clothes
    To a cloth hanger called Woyane thugs

    *Warsay ዋርሳይ..the unlimited slavery type national service participants …some serving since the first round of SAWA…since 1994., for the past 26 years almost 30 years.

    • Nitricc

      Brhan this is Eritrea! there will be not be fake constitution, rigged election and BS judiciary system. Eritrea fought for real things and Eritreans deserve the real deal. And i approve to the idea of delaying the implementation of the constitution. Idea of holding election and to the idea of parliament. In order to have all those things real, honest and deserving Eritrea should wait till all EPLF-ELF TPLF generation to be out of the game.Sorry. If Eritrea had an election 11 and 15 years ago, can you imagine how many Agazians, Tigryans and loser Eritreans could have penetrated in the system and Eritrean dreams could have washed away. Eritrea must wait to the right time, place and generation. So, Brhan; if you need constitution go to Ethiopia. They even have parliament, holds election and the state of are judiciary system. lol you see i have no problem answering. So, I approve for Eritrea to delay every major political activities. No rush do it right is the order of the day.

      • Brhan

        Nitricc
        Good job. You gave answer but only to paragraph #1. Paragraps # 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 have not being answered yet by you. Complete the job!!

  • Dongolo

    Thanks Paul. Even though I never went to a JUCO, you make me feel like I am there.

    • Paulos

      Dongolino,

      I am sure that is a walk in the park or even a child’s play for you much less a stuff for Junior College. Would be honored to read what you have to say something of your level—graduate school level. Educate us if you will. If not please excuse my obtusness if you had something else in mind when you said JUCO.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Dr. Paulos,

    Our own Beyan was damn right when he detected your ability to be extraordinarily economical with utilization of language.This skill is, needless to say, a product of command of language reinforced by wealth of knowledge. The few paragraphs I just read demonstrate expanse in substance they carry, and brevety in language use – simultaneously. This is an endowment many of us cherish but lack it.

    What I gathered from this, difficult to be honest, read is that the dominant (powerful) cannot achieve self fulfilment without making room for coerced cohabitation with the dominated (the weak) until other conditions arise to terminate the life span of the compromise, considering the life span you have stated.The human ego, which is at the root of ascendance to position of dominance in societal set ups (materially or spiritually), cannot generate satiation the dominator aspires. I would dare to understand the relation of capital (wealth) with labor in the context of the powerful-the weak dichotomy.

    Thus, the opinion that one of the Eritrean cultures we refer to as “Habesha” cannot thrive and grow without cohabiting with other cultures (in terms of languages and other utilities) is very advanced and nuanced summation. Multiculturalism can be enriched and grow to fulfilment through sustainable synthesis within an evolved national state. That process needs an environment free from impediments such as the incapacitating dictatorship we have in Eritrea.

    • Beyan

      Dear Ismail AA and Paulos,

      Two things came to mind as I read Paulos note last evening: (1) My mind raced to the textbook I read, seemingly eons ago now entitled “The Tangled Wing: Biological Constraints on the Human Spirit” for Physical Anthropology I think it was. Unfortunately, that’s all I could recall. (2). Professor Kamal Ibrahim who used to be active during the first decade of dehai days and briefly served as a watchdog to awate posts during its inception. He.came to mind because his area of interests are in Population Genetics and Molecular Ecology. Wish he would grace this site and educate those of us aching to understand what’s ailing Eritrea and its people. He would’ve been a perfect match to what Paulos has been addressing.

      So, kbur Haw Ismail AA, you and I definitely will be two enthusiastic students were they to have a dialogue along the lines of what Paulos is delving into, which would contribute to our understanding of our region.

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA and Beyan,

        I am humbled by your kind words. Thank you.

        Here is the beauty and elegance of the Social Sciences and Humanities where one can see discourses from a number of angles where as the “hard” Sciences are limited to uncompromising and at times dictatorial evidence based objectives.

        Kbur Haw Ismail, I knew you would sense and rightly so the tacit Marxist and even Gramscian undertone when I said, “…the compromise becomes a systematic culture…” where it might be taken as the supra-structure including culture which pervades practically every society where it reflects the values and interests of the powerful. That could as well be the case but on the other hand, Nietzsche, flipped the coin when he said, culture or systems of beliefs were created by the “weak” to put the powerful in check. Again, it would take an extraordinary erudition to expound the contrasts and the opposing School of Thoughts with in the Eritrean cultural context as Bryan put it, the experts and caliber of Professor Kamal Ibrahim in tandem with both of you my brothers including other Awatistas as well.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat!
    Shouldn’t the focus be on Eritrea? Let Ethiopian issue handled by them. I don’t think they have asked us to solve their problem. Did they?
    We are on the verge of extinct and we are talking about others. We are really pathetic people.

    • Abi

      MM
      I see smoke coming from your ears and nose.
      Somebody call geek squad!!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Abi,
        geek squad? I see you have been outdated.
        Keep up with technology, mate!

        • Abi

          MM
          ምነው እራስህን አንቱ አልከው?
          Now, stop by at the local Best Buy for a quick tuneup. You are not that sophisticated to require a higher technology.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Selamat Abi,

        You sound the Derg General,,,Respect, others Idea my dear…

        Thank you,

        KS,,

        • Brhan

          Hello Kokhob Selam,
          Unlike other Ethiopians who provide us with different prespectives about Ethiopia here, I only see Abi doing the work of Azmari.
          I have asked him for example a very simple question: “who toppled Haile Selase in 1974?”. He threw his Masinqo and said I won’ t answer that question.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            አንተን ከድቅድቅ ከጨለማ ወደ ብርሃን ለማውጣት ያደረግሁት ጥረት ስላልተሳካ አንተን ትቼ ማሲንቆዬን አንስቻለሁ:: ሲያብል የተኛን መቀስቀስ አስቸጋሪ ነው::
            እንዳስተዋልኩት አንተ ከጎሣና ከሃይማኖት የዘለለ አመለካከት ለመቀበል ዝግጁ አይደለህም::
            የጅል ይሁን የልጅ ያልለየ ጥያቄህንም እራስህ መልሰው::
            ጠይቀህ ሞተሃል! ፋራ

          • Brhan

            Azmariw Abi
            Azamri praises people so that he can get tips. I never saw the opposite, but my pocekt is not far my hand, anytime, incase you change your mind.

          • Abi

            እውሩ ብርሃን
            እንኳን ገንዘብ ለአዝማሪ ልትሰጥ ይቅርና አርህን ለላቦራቶሪ ምርመራ አትሰጥም::

          • Brhan

            Abi
            All Azmaris are welcome to awate.com.

          • Abi

            ጭለማው ብርሃን
            We need more Azmaris than religious fanatics and ethnic bigots.

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            This is cheap and old saying. Not new to awate.com. Saleh Gadi Johar mentioned it many times in his episodes , I believe you missed it. Please reread them.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            I care less about what SGJ says . It is an undisputed truth that we need more Azmaris than religious fanatics and ethnic bigots here and everywhere else.
            Those enlightened people don’t find it cheap and old . It is a whole different thing when someone decided to stay in the dark.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Let us be truthful
            I asked you who toppled Haile Selase, how can you depecit by either of the two images your created or by both?

          • Teodros Alem

            brhan
            Chelema, the student movement(protest) backed by military coup.
            Let me ask u this, who killed meles? a, abebe belw ? b, guilt? C, both a and b?
            since u r miserable, isolated and poor, what ever ur answer or whatever u say or do means nothing. but answer it.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            ይህን የጅል አይሉት የልጅ ጥያቄህን ተወኝ አላልኩም?
            ዛሬ ባየር ሙኒክ ባርሴሎናን 8-2 ረመረመው:: ምንልባት ለንጉሡ መውደቅ ባየር ሙኒክ ሃላፊነቱን ሳይወስድ አይቀርም::
            አትጨቅጭቀኝ::

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ,

      You are right but we should be pathetic to our brothers from others…to get similar answer from them,,We are the same people at the end of the day..We have to follow the golden rule. What do you think?

      KS,

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Selamat. Kokhob Selam,
        Brothers? They have to prove it. So far, I see the opposite.
        A brother doesn’t try to squash you all his life. You think that is normal?
        Sudanese people are our brothers but I don’t see the same act as Ethiopians.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ,

          Both are our brothers, My dear መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ, it is only Ethiopians are here,,But do you think you will not face the same if Sudanese are participating in this site? Let this people participate and watch what the future has in store..we may do get better future for both of us… then and if I am attached to Ethiopians the maximum, who will tell me I am not attached to my Sudanese people the same attachment? No one I am sure..I have been in both countries and I have similar experience..

          So, be calm and see then you will see the result… but let us discuss to the maximum and I will support the correct,,,

          KS,,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ኮኾባይ
            If it was about Ethiopias positive achievement over the last 3 decades, I wouldn’t mind. Because, relative to Eritrea, I applaud their progress.
            However, while our country is decaying by the minute, some people are concerned how bad is in Ethiopia while they ignore the demise of our nation, it greatly irritating me.
            I ave reached to the point to question our insanity. Otherwise, I have no ill feeling to Ethiopia or to any country around us.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ,

            I understand your general situation..” I ave reached to the point to question our insanity. Otherwise, I have no ill feeling to Ethiopia or to any country around us.”

            Yes,,Now go back to the gentle man I know..this is normal but then keep standard..Wise and smart MM,,

            KS,,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you, ኮኾባይ!
            ኣብ መስመሩ ዝጸነዐ ለባም ምኽርኻን: ለበዋኻን ኣይፈለየና!

          • mad mullah

            Hello MM,
            I agree with you. But I think the reason they are talking about Ethiopia is because it is an open society. Imagine if Eritrea had free press and different parties and the kinda of activities that you see in Ethiopia… I think Eritrean wouldn’t spend half second talking about Ethiopia.
            However, what I find strange is level they talk about Ethiopia relative to Sudan.
            Without Sudan, there wouldn’t be a country called Eritrea.

          • Brhan

            Hello mad mullah,
            There must be another country also called Ethiopia: Many news agencies are talking about turmoil in southern part of Ethiopia, the arrest of political figures from Oromo and Amhara and the closure of private media. Either the news providers are wrong or Ethiopia.

          • Selam Kokhob Selam,
            I know you love ethiopia and sudan, and you even love the whole world. You are that type of person. But, but, but (a la ST), sudan doesn’t have bahr-dar nor lake tana, two places that are dear to you. Therefore, you have a slightly softer place in your heart for ethiopia. Is that not so? 😄

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Horizon,

            Bahr-dar and Lake Tana..Those places are deep in brain and my heart..You don’t imagine how much I love those things..

            Every time both are in my mind….I miss them—- now it is very long time.. really,,please remind me about Bahir-Dar..

            KS,,

    • Brhan

      ኣብሽር መሃንድስ ምዕባለ

      ጽምኣት ናጻ ሓሳባት

      ሰዓብቲ ህግደፍ ኣንቱም ደገፍቲ
      ጽምኣት ናጻ ሓሳባት ዶ ጌራትኩም ኣይ ላዕሊ ኣይ ታሕቲ
      በሉ እንኳዕ ደሓን መጻእኩም እተው ነስነስናልኩም ሰቲ
      ንቐደም በሉ ምስ ተቓወምቲ
      ብልዑ ስትዩ ሺሻይ መሊኡ ኣሎ ኩሉ መዓልቲ
      ርኢኹማ ዶ ሓሳባትካ ብናጻ ምግላጽ ክንደይ ምቅርቲ
      መዓር መዓር ጢዒማትኩም እዛ ኪያንቲ

      ደንበኹም ዶ ኮይኑ ኣይብላዕ ኣይስተ
      ናብዚ ብምምጻእኩም ግን እግሪ ዘይሰሓተ
      ከምድላይኩም ዶርጉሑ የለን ዝድርተ
      ግን ተማሃሩን ኣተግብሩን ስነስርዓት ዘተ
      ይልመደኩም ድማ ክትብሉ ጸባ ስተ
      ነቲ ጽምኣትኩም ዘርዋሃልኩም መርበብ ዓዋተ

    • Nitricc

      We are really pathetic people.

      I know you are. I can’t not expect for people like you stupid and pathetic to understand that there is peaceful Eritrea with out peaceful Ethiopia. It is unfortunate but it is what it is! Eritrea should and will have influence on Ethiopian’s political affairs. Besides what do you want to talk about Eritrea? There is nothing to talk. The is a president leading the country and you are wherever you are crying day and night. Why can’t you do something? you know go and pick up an arm and fight the guy. you sit you azz in here and nothing but talk, please!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      ሰላም መሃንድሳይ,

      እዚ አብ ጉዳይና ነተኩር ዝብል ሓሳብ: ቅድሚ 6-7 ዓመታት አቢሉ ይኸውን ረብሪበ ዝገደፍክዎ ስለዝኾነ: ማዕበል ናብ ዝወሰደካ ክትዕ ምጉዓዝ ጥራይ እዩ ዘድልየካ::

      ደንበ ዓወታውያን ናይ ኩሉ መካትዒ መድረኽ’ዩ ዝተወሂበኒ ሽዑ መልሲ:: ስለዚ አይትድከም:: ከም ሻቡ ኢልካ እቲ ግጥምያ ቀጽሎ::

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ኤማ፡

        ዓዋተ-ቲም፡ ዓወተ-ፎረም ንክስይሞ
        ይዝከረካ’ዶ ዘቕረብናዮ ዓቢ ተቓውሞ

        ካይተጠመቐ ተሪፉ’ምበር ብኣቅሽሽቲ
        እንተዘይተሐርደትልና ቢልና ሓርማዝ ኩሕለይቲ
        ምዃኑ ነይተረፈ ኢትዮጵያ ሓሊፉ እውን ናይ ጅቡቲ

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat,

          Yes Hailat! We know now that the forum becomes the play ground of the deflectors and trollers. I feel bad to the moderators fighting with the unruled individuals now and then.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Amanuel,

            It is normal to be smarter everyday and sharpen the brain and know more just by reading..while watching the deflectors and trollers there is more to learn as you will teach them also.

            But remember the the wise among them are reminding us the lessons. Let us be open and make enough space to the one interested ….Just an idea only Sir..

            KS,,
            .

          • Dongolo

            Hi Kokhob Selam. Deflectors and trollers? Moderators having a difficult job? Digital TPLF can do anything and everything they want here cuz moderators will never criticize or hold them to posting guideline rules. You ever see a moderator here criticize the TPLF? No surprise that TPLF digitals that get the most upvotes here. What you call deflectors and trollers seem to be Eritrean nationalists who have not sold their soul to the TPLF.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Dongolo.

            “No surprise that TPLF digitals get the most upvotes here. What you call deflectors and trollers seem mostly to be Eritrean nationalists who have not sold their soul to the TPLF.”

            What about replaying to them? You got enough space and opportunity as they have..Convince us get the up-votes the got…It is.just the truth and just only the plain truths only..that is all..we are ready to read it also my friend..

            Think of going inside you and check it all what is the mistake you put and come to make peace with yourself and others..

            Don’t you think so ? come say the truth go forget the result..

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kokhobay,

            At this point Issayas made it our politics as an “Ethiopian politics” when he told us that we are “one people” and when he actively participating in the Ethiopian politics, as it has been his ambition through out he involved in our struggle. So it gives sense to fight against Issayas and Abiy in the politics of Ethiopia while defending our sovereignty hand in hand.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman
            I don’t think u can protect ur country while u interfering in other bigger and powerful sovereign country affair in a negative way, last time i checked u couldn’t protect it.
            any ways now days the talk of sudan, egypt, eritrea is all about ethiopia ethiopia ethiopia 24/7 and corona.
            so keep talking.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Aman.

            “So it gives sense to fight against Issayas and Abiy in the politics of Ethiopia while defending our sovereignty hand in hand with it.” So, do you think that Issayas is strongest to convince Ethiopians than you and me? No, Amuni let us be more smarter and convince our Ethiopian participants in this site that we are more connected than PFDJ and Issayas and let them understand this deep and the result will be for both advantage. And that is true also, Dr. Abiy is temporary on power and also our garbage also temporary.

            We people are forever and think about the future ..What do you think?

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kokhobay,

            It is not what we desire, it is what the reality on the ground dictates. Just count my words. Issayas will mess Ethiopia and worsen the relationship of the Ethiopian social groups. Look how Abiy is behaving, sending oppositions in to jails and the killing bystanders citizen by his security apparatus. This looks exactly to what happened in Eritrea in early 2000.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Aman.

            I know and I am following what is happening in Ethiopia…That is exactly what happen to our nation in 2000 even worst than that putting in jail those who ask for what ever democratic nation as per the rule of low. While it is so, preparing our friends for the one better is almost doing half job to stand straight and strong our brothers..It is like watching the future in advance and solving problems in advance,

            In politics peace is the way out of the crime we face as people and we should develop the power and go smoothly. I don’t mean I am better than you but this what I am understanding..I am trying to be balanced to the maximum I can.

            KS,,

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            pia is just saving himself and eritrea from a total demise, stop bragging, if the last 20 years no peace no war situation has not been charged , u know what will happen to eritrea?, don’t analyze things based on day to day fake or real news .

        • Consolation

          ኣቶ ሃይለ፣

          ካብ እንዳ ዓዋተ ሰሙናት ጠፊኦም
          ምስ ተቐልቀለ ደባስ ወዶም
          ዘራፍ እናበሉ ተመሊሶም
          ሂወት ዝህቦ ንዝኾነ ፎረም
          ምትህልላኽ ምዃኑ ዘንጊዖም
          ክምለሱ ግዲ ደልዮም
          ተሓቢኦምላ ዝነበሩ በዓቶም
          ዓፍኑልና ይብሉ’ለው ንደባሶም::

          • Dongolo

            Selam Consolation. Funny thing here is that along with the overt TPLF sympathizers, there are also passive TPLF sympathizers on the sidelines who more subtly support the TPLF and no need unlike many others here, never ever criticize it.

          • Consolation

            Selam Dongolo,

            They have all (the covert and overt TPLF supporters) been waiting for 20 years for the TPLF to perform for them regime change. My friend, 20 years is a long time and now that the TPLF is on the verge of extermination, the desperation is palpable. They don’t want to be reminded about it and that is why they want to get rid of you, me and nitricc, the only people who challenge them. Don’t they feel a little shame that they should cry so much about three people. There is an army of them!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo & Consolation,

            If TPLF is your nightmare, I will assure you that, they will continue as formidable organization in the Ethiopian politics. There is no an organization in Tigray, at this point, who can defend the “fruits of their struggle” and the “interest” of Tigray people, now and in the foreseeable future. It is all strategic withdrawal, to consolidate the Tigray people, to avoid the messy Abiy’s administration and to let the Ethiopian people to taste the dictatorship of Abiy, through the collaboration of Issayas. It is a wise withdrawal for them to defend the Tigray people.

            Second, let me assure also, that the Ethiopian politics and its unity can not survive without a “front-party”- an alliance of parties to hold the center of gravity of Ethiopian stability. In the current Ethiopian sociopolitical relationships, there is no conditions for a single party to govern Ethiopian politics. Abiy is trying the Issayas model the single party rule by coercion and oppression. If that is the case of Ethiopian politics, we shall see. Issayas will not leave from the scene of Ethiopian politics without inducing bloodshed. I can understand and see your crocodile tears as we debate on the messy Ethiopian politics.

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            bravo aman, i agree with u on tplf ruling tigrai thing, me a will love to see tplf rule tigrai until the end of time, forever as long as the people of tigrai like tplf, so first time i agree with u with this.
            2, u r wrong, it looks like u r talking ur anger, frustration, jealous, pain and so on, u don’t make sense at all. Ethiopia never ruled by democratically elected government, ethiopia always ruled by gun, for the first time in ethiopia history ethiopia got a leader loved by almost all ethiopians expect the very minority secessionist, that leader is called 3A or Abiy Ahmed Ali, also called Laurent Abiy Ahmed.
            at least give him some credit for his fight to eradicate corona.

          • Consolation

            Ato Amanuel,

            ወዮ ናታስ ንሓማታ ድዩ ዝበሃል፡፡ ንሕና ደኣ ኣራጢጥና ሞት ወያነ ከም ሓደ መሳጢ ሲነማ ንርኢ ኣለና፡፡ ወይልኹም’ቶም ወያነ ከም ሙሴ ካብ ኩሉ ኵርናዓት ዓለም ኣኻኺቡ፥ ባሕሪ ኤርትራ ኣስጊሩ፥ ኣብታ ቅድስቲ መሬት ክእትወኩም ዕስራ ዓመት ዝተጸበኹም::

            ወያነ ኣኺሉ መዓልታ
            ትጽበ’ላ ክትቅበር ተለኲታ
            ዓወንውን ኣትዩዎም ብሞታ
            ዕስራ ዓመት ከደምታ
            ክሕደቶም ዘይብሉ መሰታ
            እንትርፎ ዓጀውጀው ህውተታ
            ታሪኽ ዘይብሎም ዝንገር ዛንታ
            ምስኣ ይቕበሩ ምስ ኣኸለ ሰዓታ፡፡

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Consolation,

            My comment talks about the complex Ethiopian politics and your nightmare TPLF. Yours is not a rebut to my argument, point by point. But then if you don’t have anything to say to my argument, it is okay to shade your tears and share your pains while your archenemy is building its fortress for any eventualities, and are with their people.

            Second, if we were waiting for a ride from TPLF, like you got against ELF, it would have been done in 2000. We don’t do for something “we despised you“ when you did on us. We are principled citizens on the need of unity. killing your brothers and sisters being allied with foreign forces will not bring us together afterwords. But those who have Ethiopian dreams like your boss and his lackeys brought that bloody conspiracy upon us. Unfortunately, Abiy and Issayas are conspiring against Ethiopia and its unity – a lesson still unlearned from the Eritrean plight, by the Ethiopian people. Now, It is your turn to shed your tears to that will strengthen your nemesis.

          • Consolation

            Hello Amanuel,

            What is the point of debating with dead men walking. You are politically dead. The TPLF that you relied on to do your job for you is awaiting its funeral. So the question for you is “quo vadis”? Where do you go from here. My advice is to repent and seek forgiveness from the Eritrean people!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Conso, speaking of repent; what does Mesfin Hagos got to do to get forgiveness form the Eritrean people? I mean those internet worriers and TPLF lovers; i am talking about a man did everything to the country and at the end of his days with those all great accomplishments commits suicide. I cannot think worst way to check out this world.

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            What did i told u? it looks like u can’t control ur sadness, jealousy, angry and so on, pls try to control urself for ur own sick.
            Don’t u think u should wait until ethiopia invited u to solve the complex problems ethiopia? until than i recommend to help ur own people, at least by volunteering to lecture the consequence of corona from the horse mouth, that way u r contributing one thing for ur own people.

    • Consolation

      Selam Mehandis,

      If you notice, the article is about whether Mesfin Hagos is able to lead you guys to the promised land by allying with the TPLF. Therefore, don’t you think that Ethiopian affairs would be central to such a topic. After all, if Mesfin is to go to Tigray to lead his army, he must first go to Addis. If you think that you can extricate Mesfin’s aganda from Ethiopoian affairs, then you must be blessed with the ability of simplifying matters to their uttermost essence.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Consolations

        1. – “If you notice, the article is about whether Mesfin Hagos is able to lead you guys to the promised land by allying with the TPLF. Therefore, don’t you think that Ethiopian affairs would be central to such a topic.”

        No, no, no! I believe you’re way off the mark – at least at this point. This current article is not

        a) is not about fighting the PFDJ regime

        (b) is not even about Mesfn Hagos

        (c) is not about any individual person

        2. – From what I gather, in this forum, only one or two people have understood the core message of the article. The rest of the forumers are confused; and for a good reason. Because the author, for his own reasons, is not articulate with his massage. A message to be articulate, the author:

        (a) must articulate the problem, the challenges, the wrong doings

        (b) must present a solution to the problems challenges and wrongdoings

        (c) must sell (explain) his idea in a convincing way as to why his solution is good for the greater public

        3. – The author’s failure to articulate his message is the reason why many people in this forum are confused. If you really want to understand the core message of this article, please pay attention to the phrases, words, syntactic forms and even concepts that are repeatedly used – specific to the core message that the author is trying to convey.

        Well, the author has informed us (his readers) that this is Part One of a three part series, and “the Mesfin Hagos phenomenon and the potential pivot it could garner” will come-up in the third installment.

        Semere Tesfai

    • Dongolo

      Selam Mehandis. In so long as Ethiopia (TPLF) illegally occupies Eritrean land, Eritreans have a right to be concerned with anything & everything that occurs in Ethiopia.

  • Paulos

    Selam Moderator,

    I used ሆሞ ሆቢሊስ and ሆሞ ኢረክተስ in my comment for Beyan and Discus held it. Sorry for the trouble.

  • Haile S.

    ሰላም ሰብ ዓወተ፡

    ዳርባ እምኒ

    ኣዝሒት ክኣሪ ጸኒሐ
    ገሊኡ ተጨሊፉ ዝበልሐ
    ግሊኡ ብደም ብዝሒ ዝቐይሐ
    ገሊኡ ይመስል ከብዲ ዝበጥሐ
    ገሊኡ እሞ ገዚፍ ደናጉላ ርእሲ ዝፈንክሐ

    ገሊኡ EPLF ዝተጻሕፎ
    ሓደ E__LF፡ P ዝረገፎ
    ገሊኡ ብጎድኒ TP ዝተወተፎ

    ሕጂ ዝድርበ ዘሎ’ሞ ከቢብ’ዩ ከም ዕንጉለ
    ርእሰይ ፋሕ ከየብላ ክሃድም ክእለ

  • Nitricc

    Greetings people and welcome back Beyan.
    I don’t know if this is a desperation or simply hypocrisy at the highest level. If not, how is it possible for the reasonable mind to entertain and expect an 80 years old man to go to war and do any fighting. The story and the plan were simple. If I had to tell you three months ago that Jawar will be arrested, you would say, I am crazy. True, a guy with 50 million mansions, six expensive cars, Tv station-media, the state of art communication equipment’s that were smuggled in to the country without the knowledge of the government and with millions of followers despite all that Jawar is in jail and complaining about the toilet and the prion food. There was a big reason Jawar risked all that for prison; the idea was 4-kilo. He had a deal with TPLF and few other Oromo elites to use sacrifice Hachalu and use the rage out of Hachalus’s death to topple PMAA from the power. The plan was so organized and it amazing how it failed. Four days before Hachalu’s death, there was house to house search in Shahemene. This court ordered search was to find any guns in the residents. Once they make sure there were no guns, the hoodlums run free and killed innocent people and destroyed properties. Even worst while the carnage was all out in a broad day light the Army refused to interfere or help the victims. This alone will tell the magnitude of the plan. TPLF was so conclusive that the plan will work; they started to stretch the event to their every dream. They thought; once PMAA is out of power, the next step is Eritrea and her leadership. Then, the plan was hatched and the requirements were; get un Eritrean who is credible, former EPLF, anti-Isaias who is respected by the people of Eritrea. Here is why Mesifin Hagos was chosen and he wasn’t even looking for it and he never intend to be one but he was offered to something he can’t say no. lucky for him, the plan in Addis failed i.e. Mesfin Hagos was off the hook. Had the plan in Addis worked; Mesfin Hagos supposed to lead Tigryan Melissia along with few Eritrean refugee marching right to Asmara supposedly to dispose the Eritrean government. No one knows EPLF better than general Mesfin and I don’t think he believed in the mission he was chosen to uptake but he will be an idiot not to take the offer. The saddest part is, how is it possible for General Mesfin to fall out of grace and right down to disgrace himself? One thing is clear and every so-called opposition should know, learn and remember; no person can be accepted when he is coming from TPLF and Tigrayns. The END!!!! I am glad he got his cut and he deserve to chill and enjoy what ever time he has left but to think he is going to save you, either you are too desperate or flat-out hypocrite

    • Consolation

      Nitricc,

      You have nailed it with this brilliant exposé of the Weyane-Jawar plot. Mesfin becoming a Chalabi for the Weyanes is a personal tragedy for the man, but I hope he was paid at least half of his fees. That is the usual practice with traitors, 50% to be deposited in advance with the rest to be paid after.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Conso; when Awate-team calling Meskerem.net Meshrefet.net; i used defend Meskerem only to find out that the team know well. Weyane is paying everyone and i can tell you it won’t be as much what they paid General Mesfin.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam dear Nitrric,

      When I find one of the fellow forumers put an entry when a front page article has already taken time, and the space got congested, I surmise it should be for a good reason that readers may actue benefit from it to widen horizons of understanding of issues a writer of a front page article puts forward.

      In this entry, you have discussed a lot of issues only access to briefing by concerned authorities, in this case the Ethiopian officials, can provide. Actually, you shared with your friends here in the forum about a failed and elaborate coup de grace by civillians under the watch of a media mogul in cohort with TPLF, and an assassination of the popular Oromo artist was to serve as raison d’etre.

      So, let me show personal curiosity, and kindly ask you to further elaborate for us, at least some of the critical information, so that we can get full benefit.
      With many thanks.

      • Consolation

        Selam Ismail,

        There is something called circumstantial evidence.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Consolation,
          That is mean and defeatist posturing after you made dangerous arbitrary statements. Meanwhile, l should applaud you for insensitive advice you wrote in your deleted post about not investing time in finding out what happened about my nephew.

          • Consolation

            Selam Ismail,

            Deleted post? Did they delete my “insensitive” comment? It is ok for people like you to join the TPLF on its heinous attempt to erase Eritrea but my reminding you of that is anathema to the moderators here. Perhaps, the moderators are implicated in that 20 year treasonous journey. I keep mentioning Gondar because it is one of the most brazen acts of treason imaginable. Eritreans had just fought a 2 year war against a most determined and idiotic enemy that had intended to erase our sovereignty. We had lost 19,000 martyrs. And geniuses like you thought it a worthy exercise to hold a conference in Gondar? Just think about it, man. You still don’t get it do you, that you effectively killed whatever little credibility you had!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Consolation,

            Once more, dear, for the sake of honesty, I repeat what I tried to correct as supplement to my last note or addendum. Your post escaped my sight and I thought you had deleted it. So, please do not involve the moderator.

            But, having written that, what you wrote about my “wasting time” by going to a congress of my organization instead of caring to find out what happened to my nephew is indeed insensitive only a callous loyalist is capable of uttering. By the way, which one of these two is treasonous: going to a land under jurisdiction of a nation that recognized the independence of my country and holding a gathering there, Or being loyal to an organization that allied with a foreign force to kill its own compatriots just for maximising motives for a power hungry individual ?

            Moreover, Good heaven knows who had done more for the sovereignty you boast and talk about: You or the heroes and heroines who sat at the Gonder congress to deliberate about what could be done about the dangerous situation our hard-won sovereignty had faced due to adventurism your supremo had unleashed in 1998.

            A final word too, if I may, you won’t be talking about a regime under the current despot now had it not been for interference of the TPLF, and the foreign powers support your EPLF got at the time. I known, in deep heart of hearts, the regime loyalist do thank the Woyanes for their role of helping the despot and his organization to kill their compatriots and caused conditions that brought us to where we are. For sure, there will a tomorrow in which every crime committed would be talked, until our nation will have that bloody and treasonous episode behind its back and move on.

          • Saleh Johar

            Consolation,
            Why don’t you restrain yourself? Why do you have all this hate and disrespect? Please, at least keep your insults to yourself if you cannot acknowledge the services we enjoy here. The moderators who are doing their best to run this place and maintain conducive environment for serious discussions. on the other hand, the Eritrean regime doesn’t provide a fraction of such a public space, and you know it. So, please save us your insults and focus on what you have to say.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Consolation

            ገዛኻ
            ———-ብባርዕ ይነድድ
            ንስኻ
            ገዛ ጎረቤተይ ሽምዓ ተወሊዑ
            ———-ኢልካ ትስንብድ
            ———-ወረ ይኣትወካ ዕብድብድ

            መረቤትካ ብኣይሂ ማይ ከጥለቕልቕ
            መረብ ጎረቤትካ ማይ ኪፍ-ኪፍ ኢሉ
            ኢልካ ትጭነቕ

            ‘ታ ሃገረይ ትብላ
            ዘይምሱል መሲላ
            ብስንኪ ዓፈንታ
            ናይ ብዕሉጋት-ጋንታ

            ንስኻ ግን
            ኣብ ክንዲ ትሓርቕ ተስተማስል
            ብናይ ጎረቤት-ሃገር ትሓዝን

            እምበርዶ
            ———‘ታ ሃገረይ ትብላ
            ———ሃገርካ ‘ያ?
            ማለተይ’ሲ ‘ቶም ትሕለቑ በዚ ግዕዘይ-ስርዓት
            ——–ተመሚኹም ብሕርያ
            ——–ዓዲ ‘ኳ ስኢና ሓደ ቅኑዕ ኣያ

            ‘ታይ ዝበለ መርገም

      • Nitricc

        Hi ISmail; sure i will share what i have time permitting. Hopefully tomorrow. however Ethiopia lucky to escape that easily with that magnitude of danger. I think Jawar undermined what PMAA can do and anytime you undermine your opponent, the best ingredient for failure and that is what exactly happened.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Ismailo,

        Don’t take him serious. After all he can only come with the info’s from the governments and their collaborators. He can not bring from independent observers. A man who approves all the actions of Issayas and his government, couldn’t see differently than the government of Eritrea – all from their own political tariffs.

        Regards

      • Nitricc

        Greetings Ismail; I don’t know how close you follow the event in Ethiopia but in case, let me start from the root of the problem. In any crime the investigators look for motive and in Ethiopia there is crime against humanity taking place. We can ask what is root cause and motivation of the problem and the country’s unrest. You would think the majority is in power and most problems should have been solved, yet, all the unrest, burning, looting and killing are in Oromo regions. The major problem is directly tied to the discord between the Oromo elites. All Oromo elites and their parties, (OLF), (OFC), (ODF), (ODP) and of course Jawar’s Qerro. Make no mistake they all agree on the OROMO-PLAN and all believe in one thing that is Oromo comes first and should replace TPLF without ifs and buts. When they say to replace TPLF; it means the absolute power, the economic advantage, the looting and of course unquestioned authority over the other ethnics. However; a major dispute erupted between the Oromo elites and PMAA. The Oromo elites wanted the Oromo plan NOW and TODAY while PMAA believes the plan should be executed in a long run and systematically without attracting the attention of the other ethnics, if not, he reasons it will happen to us with what happened to TPLF. I don’t believe PMAA is holding that position genuinely; although PMAA makes sense but his motivation is different. If PMAA went with the rest of the Oromo elites and agreed with the Now and today; PMAA knows will lose his power. To buy time and to stay in power he held that position and not only he become less Oromo but Neftegna (Amara). The Oromo elites not only gave up in PMAA but concluded PMAA has to go. This is where all problems between Oromo started. Once the elites decided PMAA must go, they needed a plan and the plan was hatched and executed. The plan so dangerous and unforgiving the elites collaborated with their killers, the TPLF.
        The plan and after, continued

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Nitricc,

          I thank you so much for the follow up brief. I think what keen observers of Ethiopian affairs have been warning has been shaping up. Sadly, and God forbid, it appears it is going to be messy transition, and the fear thereof is that no one knows in which direction. In my opinion, and knowing the history of Ethiopia, and the cruciality of presence of credible center of power, the disbanding of the EPRDF was pretty premature. The calculations of individuals seeking power have been wrong, and they have proven opportunistic in forming hazy alliances contaminated by cynicism without caring to take stock of the fragility of the country and potential of centrifugal forces it houses.

          Now, you see how naive and self-serving the alliance of Abij and Lemma was. Add to that how amateurish Abij has been manoeuvring to outsmart Lemma, and bringing the situation to what we are witnessing.

          The only thing one can hope is that history shall not repeat itself and this key nation slipping to chaos with no end.
          Thanks again, dear.

          • Nitricc

            Now, you see how naive and self-serving the alliance of Abij and Lemma was. Add to that how amateurish Abij has been manoeuvring to outsmart Lemma, and bringing the situation to what we are witnessing.

            Hey Ismail; thank you! you are right these differences explode recently and most of the elites are in prison while the defense mister is frozen and under house arrest. So, the source of the unrest, burning and looting was directed by Jawar ordering and Lemma Megersa blessing. That was the reason the Ethiopian defense forces never able to stop the ongoing organized chaos, unrest and the killing because of Lemma.was the defense minister. One thing is clear, PMAA will do whatever it takes to preserve his power. Even after they say there will be election in Ethiopia after six to nine months; mark my word, there will be no election for two to five years. PMAA will never allowed an election till he stand firmly in his two feet and make sure he wins the election. They have created a problem that is too complicated to solve.

          • Selam Ismail AA.

            As it usually happens, there is a silver lining for ethiopia’s problem too. In amharic we also say “ካልደፈረሰ ኣይጠራም፣”. The picture is becoming clear, like a clear sky after the rain. The failure of the conspiracy by tplf and its trojan horses, olf-shenne, ofc, so-called federalists and the extremist group jawar-bekele g.-and others, and their hit-squad, the querro, have shown their barbaric nature, and all ethiopians, especially oromos, are now aware who the enemies are, and this will surely change their opinion about the above mentioned groups and people.
            More than 9K people implicated in one way or another in criminal acts and their enablers, government officials and members of the police force, are behind bars, more than 1K of the later. The law will soon address the matter.
            They have declared more or less war on ethiopia and its citizens, and for the first time, the government is ready to give them the fight they want. It will either be them, the anti-ethiopianists and those who have invested in crimes to ascend power, or those who stand for peace, normalcy and the rule of law, that are going to come out the winners. Of course, it doesn’t mean that it will be the end of the story. At least every one will know his/her rightful place in the fight. Be sure the ethiopianist camp (those who want the continuation of the country) will come out winners. The anti-ethiopianist camp (those who want to destroy ethiopia) have no chance whatsoever. They will certainly face their own demise.
            The assassination of the Oromo icon was to create conflict between amaras and oromos, and it has failed. Jawar is accused of phone tapping, thus illegally monitoring communications of the government and political parties. This is a criminal act. Equipment for this purpose has been found in his home. The law will give its verdict, and certainly some people are going to remain in prison. Those who are still intimidating and blackmailing the people will be apprehended gradually, no doubt.
            The point is that it is either now or never. Either the government will show that it has the power and the will to act or it will lose the game. Most probably the first is going to happen. The truce period seems to have ended.
            As much as the in-betweens are concerned, the government is saying either they stand for ethiopian unity or against it. Either they ride the progressive wagon or they remain behind with their age old narratives of victimhood. This is the new reality in ethiopian politics. PMAA is saying that you can’t be with us while at the same time you are with those who are working against ethiopia, democracy and the rule of law. I believe that politics in oromia is going to clean itself gradually to a certain extent from deceit, treason and illegal modus operandi, by keeping behind bars those who should be kept. Nevertheless, human nature is not going to change tomorrow or ever. The point is that there will be fewer of such anti-people and anti-country individuals.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            You are giving us your side of the story. But, there are also people like you who provide their side of the story. Brutality and incarceration had never been panacea for anything near stable unity of a nation so fragile at rims as your country. Declaring locking 9000 people in jails is not and achievement to be proud of at all. Abij boasted that he had emptied prisons of 10,000 and more inmates. But, it’s deja vu again: refilling them. Sad to witness the savagery I saw in the link Aman shared.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Ismail AA. During the several years that the TPLF performed mass extrajudicial incarcerations, did you ever even once criticize them?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dongolo,
            No unjustifiable violence and brutality against unarmed civilians by any authority anywhere should be condoned. I always denounce any of such acts be it Woyanes or successors of it.

          • Dongolo

            Many thanks for your reply Ismail AA but again, my question was ‘ During the several years that the TPLF performed mass extrajudicial incarcerations, did you ever even once criticize them?’. A simple Yes or No answer would suffice. Thanks!

          • Abi

            Dongolo
            You are the most informed veteran in this forum. You definitely know who said what in the last several years. Why bother asking a question when you already know the answer?

          • Selam Ismail AA,

            The responsibility of any government is to protect the safety and security of its citizens. When rogue elements, extremists and criminals slaughter children and pregnant women as the isis did, tie dead bodies behind cars and drag them, as in Somalia, hang people upside down, and commit savagery of the worst kind, one should be extremely worried that savages are among us, because anybody could be in the place of the victim.
            If we call brutality when suspects for crimes are apprehended to face the law, then justice can never be done, and the region could be on fire due to extremists and power mongers.
            It is impossible to believe that there could be people who doubt that horrendous crimes have been committed in Ethiopia, and there are people responsible for these crimes. In addition, we can’t say that the victimizers have more rights than the victims, and asking that they shouldn’t be controlled when caught in the action of murdering people, burning properties, etc, is injustice for those who are on the receiving end. On the contrary, asking that the procedures of the law are carried out as soon and as free as possible and in a transparent way, is a rational thing to ask.
            There is a big difference between today and tplf’s Ethiopia. In the past Ethiopians were imprisoned for their political beliefs, for political dissent, their identity and even for the colour of their eyes. Today people are apprehended for crimes they may have committed. There is a big difference. The aim is to do justice, and not to keep people without due process of the law, and not to condemn people with made up stories, as it used to be under tplf.
            Those who oppose the government can’t call it weak when crimes happen, and turn around and call it dictatorship, when the government takes legal actions. They can’t have it both ways.
            The picture of slaughtered children, men and women, due to religious and ethnic extremism has become a common and extremely disturbing scene. Among the incarcerated are such savage criminals that cannot be called human beings. They have crossed the red line a long time ago, and it is only now that the government has started to take actions, and unfortunately, it is being accused for dictatorship.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,
            Write anything to your hearts contend. No amount of pretexts or volumes of defense of a government can justify brutality against unarmed civilians.

          • Selam Ismail AA,
            Why do you avoid to say anything about the horrendous crimes committed against innocent ethiopians by extremists and criminals? Does it mean that accusing Abiy and making a political point is all that matters most to you, and not the whole truth. What about the slaughtered, those who lost their properties and their livelihood? Are they the children of a lesser god? Whatever Abiy does is anathema, however small it may be, and whatever extremists and criminals do to unarmed ethiopian citizens is simply a minor detail. Is that your point?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            For heavens sake Horizon (wish if I were to address you by your real name), please do not insinuate that I am trying to play double standard. No innocent human’s blood is lighter or thick than another. Dongolo has also asked similar question earlier. Any brutality and spilling of the blood of unarmed civilian anywhere in the hand of any authority is reprehensive and should be condemned in strongest possible terms.

            But, a recognized authority sitting on the saddle of power should have done better to avoid rifts and settle discords before things go out of control, and put itself in position of reacting or reciprocating in kind, as we are witnessing presently. Opponents committed offenses, and we respond the same is no sane policy which cannot justify committing the same offense and violence as those outside power.

            My point was, thua, that the man governing from Arak Killo palace now, and the allies of him, have miscalculated when they weakened the center of power and prematurely disbanded the EPRDF. They chose to ride the wave of legitimate prostests by the youth in particular and the public by and large any acted opportunistically when they worked their ascendance to power without exhausting the constitutional process through election. Had the current authorities operated through the constitution under the emblem of the EPRDF coalition, they would have easily established the rationale for their power, and played their politics that the system need serious overhauling through consensus after almost three decades. Instead, Abij had misread the complexity of the country’s political conditions and wanted to hack away his own segment from the ruling coalition and went away with his PP. That was in my judgement too amateurish as far as Ethiopia’s current politics of transition goes.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            Why waste your time with someone who already told us that Ethiopia will disintegrate without Tplf thugs at the helm.
            All these so called justice seekers said nothing when their handlers killed and jailed Oromo and Amhara protestors.
            They care less if Ethiopians died in thousands as long as they find any excuses to fan the flames. They are all paid actors ( digital weyanes).
            Amanuel Hidrat brought the news, Ismael AA , Paul, Kokobe, Samuel continued shading their crocodile tears. እንደ ጅብ እየተቀባበሉ ሲያሽካኩ አደሩበት::

          • Selam Abi,
            It is difficult to imagine that they could hate Abiy so much when he has not harmed Eritrea in anyway. On the contrary he brought peace between the two countries, and it is as if they hate him for that.
            They don’t seem to hate IA as much as they hate the Ethiopian PM, and yet he doesn’t have the fate of Eritrea in his hands, and there is not an iota of thing he could do as much as Eritrea is concerned. I can’t see what they will gain with Abiy’s failure, except their wish to serve tplf for their own reasons. I don’t understand how tplf will solve their problem in Eritrea.
            They have forgotten IA and they have made Abiy their primary target. They are fighting day and night for tplf, while their nemesis is sitting comfortably in Asmara.
            The fact of the matter is that there is no chance whatsoever that tplf will ever return to 4killo, and tplf will do harm and never anything good for Eritrea. Nevertheless, the million dollar question is, why they are investing their time and energy on tplf, unless they have the mission to see Ethiopia a failed state and disintegrated.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            These thug worshipping experts dream of a failed Ethiopia as long as Tplf is not at Arat Killo. These are the same people who sided with Egypt to bleed Ethiopia. I’m not surprised at all.
            They hate Ethiopia more than they love Eritrea. Meles did everything in his power to kill Eritrea and yet they called him visionary and decisive.
            Definitely bunch of loser Agazians.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ismail AA,

            You said….” No amount of pretexts……justify brutality against unarmed civilians.”
            I am simply shocked and amazed at your cavalier attitude of the slaughter of residents of Shashemene town and others by the savages claiming religious and ethnic reasons.
            When the perpetrators were arrested to be taken to court, you show up to blame for brutality of the State.

            I wish I could post some of the cruelty from those savages on YouTube for you.
            You must be watching only what Amanuel Hidrat posts to justify his own political agenda. He was and is an accomplished party line thinker, you know.

            The victims, dead and disabled by the hundreds, of the recent violence didn’t register in your ledger. Those in jail for that crime bothers you.
            Your discussion with Horizon really laid out the clear picture and it is very disappointing thread to say the least.

            Mr. K.H

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kim Hanna,

            Sorry for this late response; I was preoccupied by some routine.

            Anyway, I do not know how many times I should write this; but what happened in the place you mentioned is heartbreaking to any one who cherishes life. No drop of blood of an innocent person should be condoned, and should be condemned in the strongest possible terms. I have said this many times. What you are talking about is a comment I made on what I watched on the screen. Human beings mercilessly beating other human beings with all the energy and force they commanded (some holding the “dulla” – big stick – with both hands and thrusting blows intended ( I should surmise) to kill. Watching bones being deliberately broken is disgusting. I saw similar events in Palestine during the first Intifada of the Palestinian civilians. – bones of teen agers intention broken with rocks.
            You opined that I acted “cavalier’ and showed no concern for the victims. I am sure of myself that was not in my mind at all, to honest with you. You understood that I was more concerned about the perpetrators and instigators than the victims. That is not really true. Again, and I should repeat, I commented on what I saw on the screen. Otherwise, who would object to the guilty facing justice and being subjected to accountability. We are all trying to raise our voices for justice; we abhor violence, disproportional force and heavy hand acts of state apparatuses. The job of the state and its organs is to seek and find offenders and bring them to justice, and using soft and condonable means to control actions the public take on streets.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Sorry for the delayed response.
            I saw the video of what Amanuel Hidrat had posted. The brutality of it must be condemned for any law enforcement officer who engaged in it. I will go further and say, even if the police knew that they caught up with the perpetrators of the capital crimes and there was no resistance, the wholesale blanket heavy beatings can never be justified. Let the court meet out the just penalties.

            During Haile Selassie’s time I had a couple of close calls with the FeTno Derash police. In looking back what was maddening at the time was the fact that they appeared to enjoy the beating. It was as if the students had (Tegab) it so good, they wanted to administer their version of justice on the spot. Thanks to those antelope legs of ours, most of us got away without the experience.

            I hope our current leaders strike the right balance to bring law and order to the land. Trying to imitate the Europeans and Americans will be a big mistake. It will be equally a mistake to follow the harsh and brutal treatment of people by Dictators of the world.

            In Ethiopia, I thought it was a mistake to release all prisoners in wholesale, I said so at the time. Each individual has to face justice individually on his/her merit. I hope the lesson is learned.

            Another observation I want to mention is that videos we all watch must be carefully digested. There are a lot of skillful activists these days who put out to influence our judgments and emotions.

            Mr. K.H

    • Brhan

      Hello Nitrric
      In Eritrea….
      There is no consitution
      There is no parliament
      There is no free judiciary

      In Eritrea…
      The gov’t can arrest you without trial
      It also can kill you in no man’s land

      In Eritrea
      There is no freedom of speech
      Except what the dictator says
      If you think otherwise…bleak will be your days

      In Eritrea
      Warsay* has become a slave
      Not able to marry and have his own family
      Years pass by while his generals enjoy drining whisky

      In Eritrea
      The elders and the children
      are fleeing to Ethiopia and the Sudan
      Some die under the hot desert
      and some by the cruel sea

      And we hang these all dirty clothes
      To a cloth hanger called Woyane thugs

      *Warsay ዋርሳይ..the unlimited slavery type national service participants …some serving since the first round of SAWA…since 1994., for the past 26 years almost 30 years.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; There is one thing for sure, everything that happens, someday will come out to the naked truth for everyone to see. I learned a great deal of TPLF thugs from Journalist Araya Tesfamariam and if that is not enough here comes former TPLF fighter Lilay Hailemairiam telling it all. he said, TPLF thugs killed General Hayelom. he detailed the whole story. For those who you want to hear the interview, it is on Fana-Tv. one thing is sure, the Tigryans are coming out and exposing TPLF thugs and the crimes that are committed is sampling head jarring and a good indication of the end of TPLF; when I say the end, I mean death.

    • Abi

      Hello General
      This fact has been known for years. Only now some are jumping off the Tplf sinking boat.

      • Consolation

        Hello Abi,

        Was it known that more TPLF fighters were murdered by their own leaders than died fighting the Derg? I used to wonder when the TPLF was claiming that they had 60,000 martyrs. How could so many die when in the few real battles that they conducted was what puzzled me. But now I am learning that the murderous thugs killed over 40,000 of their own fighters which they have been passing off as martyrs. I call this double murder. The more we learn about these thugs, the more odious they become!

        • Nitricc

          I used to wonder when the TPLF was claiming that they had 60,000 martyrs. How could so many die in the few real battles that they fought was what puzzled me

          Hi Conso; the truth is TPLF have no idea how many people martyred or killed. Simply they heard EPLF saying 65K martyred then they just copy of that and they went with it ever since. When TPLF got to Addis then they told their people if your loved once didn’t come home, that means they are dead. They have no clue. besides; Eritrea said 65K over 30 years of war but TPLF fought only 17 years. Thugs don’t even account that. they tried on real battle, a battle of Shire and they couldn’t finish it, as always EPLF did finished job.

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,

            Your theory about the number TPLF casualties has validity. As you know to this day it is unclear how many died even during the Badme War which was a conventional war. Here I am assuming it is easier to keep accurate figures in aconventional war. Incidentally the same mentality exists with the casualty numbers of Eritrean organizations. How many were killed fighting Ethiopian troops compared to the number killed fighting rival Eritrean groups?

          • Nitricc

            How many were killed fighting Ethiopian troops compared to the number killed fighting rival Eritrean groups?

            Aligaz; it is my understanding that 65K is including everyone who died for Eritrea. That includes Eritrean who died in the war between between EPLF and ELF.

          • Consolation

            AliGaz,

            Unlike the TPLF and more surprisingly, the Ethiopian government, the EPLF had a meticulous system of maintaining a record of even the minutest detail of the organization. The 65,000 of martyrs includes every Eritrean fighter, members of the ELF or EPLF, who was martyred. The family of each martyred EPLF fighter was presented with a certificate which has the picture of the fighter, the date he joined and date of his martyrdom. The EPLF was so organized that each fighter was photographed when he/she joined. I am sure you have seen some of the hundreds of EPLF war videos documenting in real-time the battles and other activities of the organization.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Consolation,

            You seem be in possession of absolute information about casualties of the ELF and EPLF, i.e in the span of three full decades. So, I humbly ask a favour from you. A nephew of mine has been missed in action since the battles during the criminal assault of TPLF-EPLF unholy alliance. He served in the ranks of the ELF. Now, please do me a favour. Since you seem to have access to the record, would you help to find out. By the way, both his parents have passed away still waiting their first child will one day knock at the door.

          • Consolation

            Selam Ismail,

            What I wrote is in the public domain. The EPLF did compile a list of ELF martyrs and many families were not only informed but were granted the compensation at the time. But I am sure that a fair person would know that the list cannot be complete. Even in the most advanced USA there are still those missing in action whose fate had not been determined. For example, there is an extensive Wikipedia page on Americans who are still missing in the Vietnam war.

            You could have done your nephew and undoubtedly others missing in action a great service had you devoted your time to find out about their fate instead of wasting your time congregating in Gondar and becoming a Weyane tool against Eritrea.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Consolation,
            Don’t act so sure that compiling the names was honest. It was not and many non EPLF martyrs were not acknowledged. True, until the mid 1970, there was no proper registry, photos or video images because this are a product of technology that appeared very late. In short, you can believe it or reject it, but accounting for the martyrs was partisan in nature.

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            The loss in the inter party clashes among Eritreans only is about 150. All those killed don’t exceed 200 from 165, the first clash, until 1978. Unfortunately the regime doesn’t disclose even the population numbers let alone such information. But every victim is accounted for. The number of internecine conflicts are highly exaggerated for political reasons.

            But civilian casualties, killing and razing entire villages, are in the thousands and eye witnesses are still living. I am such an eye witness

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Assuming a combined casualty figure of 200 for fighters (1965-78) is accurate, I am curious why ELF fled to Sudan leaving the fate of the country in the hands of EPLF.

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            It was defeated by the TPLF-EPLF, Numeiri’s Sudan and Saudi Arabia’s conspiracy under BaHabri. To understand the context, see the assassinations of top ELF leaders, about ten of them, in Sudan, the Tunis Arab league conference to force the ELF to fall in line, the Felasha airlift which Sudan was part of and where Haile Garza of the ELF was killed with a silencer gun in Khartoum. By the mid eighties, the ELF was decimated—in addition to the Derg’s activities of promising self-rule to Eritreans that the regional conspirators agreed upon.

            This is just snap shots. Obviously, the ELF couldn’t resist such an array of enemies.

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Saleh,

            Thank you. The tragic thing about these issues (which in substance are humanitarian) some take them so casual and quot numbers based on insensitive lead numbers an insensitive despot had thrown. No one had seen screened list of casualties. Did we not hear the 19,000 number he had cited. Can we take this at face from a whimsical person?.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ismail,
            The casualties of the Badme war was disclosed to the public courtesy of awate.com. I have no reason to disbelieve it because it was leaked to us from the regime archives. But still, not everything is disclosed. For instance, people know of the murder of the Keren teachers by the PFDJ by an exclusive interview we find conducted with one who f the prison guards who was there when they were killed.

          • Consolation

            Selam Saleh,

            The list of martyrs was disclosed to the Eritrean people long before awate.com got a list. If has been a long time, but at the time, I remember one odd thing about the list that was leaked to awate.com. There was a large number of martyrs who died up to one year after the war ended in June 2000. Do you know what the number who died after the war ended is? Do you have any explanation for that?

          • Saleh Johar

            Consolation,
            You can’t show me a list before what awate published. It’s a challenge. Prove it. The only thing that happened was they gathered people in different places and read them names of the victims. They claimed the mothers ululated upon hearing the name which a VOA reporter busted and said otherwise. He was jailed and you can find details on Gedab News.

            On the list, there are details on when the victims died, including those who died because of their wounds, etc. settle for it, there was no list issued by the regime.

            Thank you

          • Consolation

            Selam Saleh,

            In every town, the list of those martyred from that town was read to the people. A comprehensive list was not published. I hope you do a research of the list leaked to awate,com to determine the number of people who died much later after the end of the war. From memory, it seemed to me to be too high to have been, as you claim, of those who died “from their wounds”. I have my own thoughts about why a comprehensive list was not published in Eritrea and about why one was leaked to awate.com. But for now, I will keep my thoughts to myself.

          • Saleh Johar

            Consolation,
            I received it, prepared it, published it and avidly followed developments for decades. Don’t you think it’s you who have to do more research? Unless you have plausible evidence to challenge my assertions, don’t tell me to do what you should do. I think we have exhausted this topic and let’s move on. I am out now, really 🙂

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Saleh,
            That is right. We had diligently followed the wonderful work done during those days by Awate.com, despite hurdles and near impossible odds it had faced. However, those numbers had to be taken with grain of salt, given the overall losses other sources had cited, and repeated in writings done. The ubiquitous figure often cited is about 70,000 on both sides. Until this will be properly sorted out and distributed to the two sides, I should rather stay sceptical about figures the regime or its loyalist cite.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Obviously it is hard for you to give a full analysis in this type of medium. However one of the failings of your generation is a reluctance to write openly and seriously about the historical events only you were privy to. So many mysteries and so few credible sources means people waste a lot of time debating conspiracy theories. Even worse with the passing of times huge blocks of historical knowledge will be completely lost.

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            You are making another mistake. Enough was written but our societies are not good readers. Now it’s worse. People want to learn history in social media bytes of two or three sentences. Personally, myself and my colleagues have written volumes but very few read it compared to the overall readership. For instance there is a myth called Seriet Addis where Isaias’ propaganda have been hammering. The claim is that hundreds of Addis university students were liquidated by the ELF after they joined it. Consult the Addis university records and tell me if there were that many students who left as a group! It’s not like the university had thousands of Eritreans! We have written about it in a series of articles. Just search awate “he and his objectives” and sereyet Addis+Gebrezghi shumhalal” follow the links under the articles and you have it all there. I have also written a book about the 1961-1974 period in a Vivek format to make readable to a larger audience, academic books are stiff 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            The number of books written is much lower then expected. We can debate the merits of current readers. But I have a feeling that there is a feeling of unfinished business in the region therefore much is being kept secret. Secrecy is also one of the characteristics of the closed societies we live in. Btw when I point to your generation I don’t necessarily point directly at you.

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz,
            Very true. More is needed but what’s available is enough to make people think instead of debating such issues with no knowledge. But many people prefer to wallow in their ignorance and they seem to enjoy it. If I be doesn’t know something, it’s better to start by asking and researching, not by making statements that cannot stand a simple challenge. But I agree, what’s available is so little compared with what we should have

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            “Seriet Addis” is myth created as cause to the split of Issayas and his colleagues. I have asked junior leaders of ELF-PF ( before their spitting in to EPLF and ELF-PF) in 1976, in Sahel, to give me a list of the 150 area presumed killed. They can not produce even a single name. This was a myth to create a rift between Christians and Muslims. Unfortunately, the Christian highlanders were bought to his plot, till this day. Second, you are right in your response, that I don’t even think to have 150 Eritreans in Addis University in the late 60s, let alone to join the entire University attendees.

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            Check the articles I mentioned to Aligaz, we have challenged everybody to come with ten names. Only three are known and there is a story behind their killing.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            The two who are killed in Kessela are not part of the “seriet Addis”Myth. The story behind their killing was a undisclosed letter from Issayas to Kidane Kiflu was intercepted.

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            It’s there in the articles. Why do I feel there’s no new information and we are recycling it? I think Aligaz is right. I suggest you should write a book and I promise to be your reasearch assistant, this includes Ismail.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abu Salah,

            Ismailo is the right man – a historian by profession.

          • David Samson

            Selam Emma,

            As I age, I sometimes find it so weird that I talk to different Eritrea at any time. I tend to believe there must be two Eritrea. I do not know how the Eritrea you describe it has become a nation, but more importantly, how is going to be a nation in the coming generation. Let me explain.

            The other day, he mentioned how HS had used the divide and rule method to get what he wanted. Now, we are learning how IA used religion or region to do the same as HS has done. During the final years of Mengistu’s era, I heard the same language. A group of disgruntled lowlanders came from exile to form self-rule for their region. At the time, many people in Eritrea were anxious as the motives of these groups. EPLF was broadcasting the same line of the story: to divide Eritrea people. Recently, a single person from his flat in London has also created panic on the name of “Agazian”. I wonder why all these people who inhabit the land of Eritrea are so vulnerable to any kind of attack. We have not made a single move
            since the 50s because we had to spend our time defending our unity. I do not think we will have any time for anything which is tangible in the near future as our hands are tied behind the unity robe if any person who has a mic and PC could do it, anyone will. I have also noticed the same traits with Ethiopians: we cannot have anything until we have Ethiopia. This country called Eritrea has a
            shameful history: Two brothers from the same family were lost their lives unnecessarily because they could not agree on the very word unity. This unity will cost us many lives until no one is left to defend it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Dave,

            You are right we have been fighting for unity since the 50s. Without unity nothing could be attained. Our “independence” and the “defeat of Derg“ did not happen from the “unity or alliance” of Eritrean political forces. Instead EPLF prefer an alliance with foreign force (TPLF) than With their brothers ELFites, to defeat the Derg army. Now from the current objectives of Issayas and his colleagues, we can understand why unity of Eritreans wasn’t part of their agendas. Your explanations has the elements of truth, and your qualms on the Eritrean politics is understandable. How ever, I am still optimistic, that with the demise of Issayas, the architect of disunity, our young generation will hopefully make “reconciliation and healings” to be their priority as precondition to our unity than any political agenda.

            Regards

          • Consolation

            Selam Amanuel,

            I heard that about 80% of the fighters of ELF from 1975 to 1981 were Christian Highlanders. How come that many of them joined the ELF if as you claim EPLF was using this card?

          • Consolation

            Aligaz,

            Fortunately, the ELF did not stand its ground and fight. I say fortunately because it would have been very bloody otherwise. Why the ELF simply melted away and fled to the Sudan is something those who were in the know, its leaders and cadres, should explain to themselves first and to the rest of us after that. That story, no matter how traumatic, is one worth telling and ELFites should have told it. Although many ELF cadres went on to get degrees in various social science disciplines, I have not seen or heard of a single thesis on that important episode of our history.

          • Saleh Johar

            Consolation,
            History and knowledge is not home delivered like a pizza— you also have to do your part: honestly pursue knowledge, research and expand you references— away from partisanship and political academia which is akin to propaganda.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hey guys,
            Hate the TPLF to your heart’s delight but be reasonable. They had thousands of victims and don’t play politics with human lives.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Salah,

            The haters do not only hate the TPLF. But also to any who have different views than theirs. It is part of the political culture of the Eritrean regime. They have nothing to offer in the debate except to defend the criminal regime at any cost. Part of their defense is blackmailing their opponents. Their mission will end with the demise of their demigod.

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            Please have some sympathy for the victims of TPLF. They, too, are human beings just like PFDJ victims.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            Show sympathy to the Eritrean victims of PFDJ, before you demand sympathy to others.

        • Abi

          Consolation + General
          The number of martyrs include those murdered at Hawzen. I was hammered by the Tplf loyalists when I mentioned this years ago.
          They can’t possibly cheat all of us all the time.

      • Nitricc

        Ras Abiy; i just wonder what they think the TPLF lovers on this forum upon hearing such explosive testimonies? Personally i figured out TPLF thugs early on and i made up my mind. I wonder what the people of Tigray think when hearing such painful news.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Nitricc,

          I heard the interview and it’s hard to believe. I know someone will label him another “disgruntled wedo geba”.

          But I think he is telling the truth..I don’t think it’s drama the sadness he feels towards his countryman.

          Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe and Nitricc,
            What’s the difference btween the accounts of this chap and Tesfay Temnwo or Yemane who spoke of the EPLF in deeper narration? I rest my case

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            I knew about Isayas and his groups. I had no idea about TPLF to be honest.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            A lot of people assume people hate Tigreans when they complain about TPLF. This is not some benign group led by romantic Che Guevara types.

          • Saleh Johar

            Algaz,
            Was Che a saintly revolutionary? He had to do what revolutionaries do. But conflicts are part of the human struggle and experience. Otherwise we wouldn’t have free people anywhere. Hitler or Derg wouldn’t have been removed without a violent clash. Be peaceful minded by helping avoid mistakes that lead to violence But do not live in illusion that the world would disarm just like that. Why do you think even countries that cannot feed their people own arsenal unproportional when compared to their national wealth

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            Che was not a saint but he is portrayed as one by pop culture. Surely you remember the Motorcycle Diaries? A revolution can be run along the lines of The Velvet Revolution or along the lines of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge – the deciding factor is the revolutionary class.

          • Saleh Johar

            Aligaz, I know Che was an idol of revolutionaries the world over. That’s why he is romanticized. That was way before the motorcycle diaries. But let’s not branch out to obvious and known stuff. Let’s not branch out to Che. Branching out kills a discussion.

          • Saleh Johar

            Berhe,
            All revolutionary organization go through that process, anywhere in the world, anytime a revolution is in ignited. That’s why they say the revolution eats it’s children. Did you read the much admired French revolution? Unfortunately that is the formula. In a revolution, you can’t remove a rival armed force except through military confrontation. And that has its victims because it’s violent.

          • Nitricc

            Hi SG; i understand that you are right but how about the killing continued after the guns went silent? What has happened in the TPLF’s land is mind bugling. Many dead and the few become rich and wealthy at the expenses of the people. That is the point.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            You are stuck in an era. Conflicts are humanity’s wars not one battle. Time changes and the nature of the conflict changes with time. But looking at the present situation with the eyeglass from 20 years ago makes a vision foggy. How many things have changed? Are the elements of the conflict the same? For your information, that’s why you always criticize Africa but you never addressed the core problems. And if the thinking doesn’t change don’t expect change. One can cry Weyane-Weyane day and night, but one should also pay attention to the new developments and see his national interest fro the present context. You goal should not be partisan based. I think.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            Pls do not mix legal crimes with political crimes in such discussions. Let the legal process handle the fit and corruption—I mean that is not the cause but a result of something bigger. Focus on bigger issues because such claims are chasing the windmill. So an so stole 100 million, that is legal issue. If you want to discuss that separate it and address the legal system, corruption, economy, etc. and you better have plausible facts not innuendo and rumor sourced information.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            Thank you. I understand what you mean and I do know a bit of that. When I said I was surprised is, when the become government and the pretense and appearance of being a statesmen obliged to the rule of law.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Aya Saleh,

            The key question we need to ask is—why is TPLF immensely popular in Tigrai if the said individuals are making any dent at all when they “spill the beans”? If there are any grain of salt in them at all, that is. As Berhe aptly put it when he had me in mind, they are sore losers and disgruntled as well. History is in the making in Tigrai, a pivotal moment I should add. Stepping onto a Golden Era. No doubt!

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,
            Let the other stuff aside for now, but my argument is that people should use the same yardstick on the TPLF and EPLF. Manny things were said about the EPLF, maybe worse, but it’s dishonest to gloss over them

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            Manny things were said about the EPLF, maybe worse, but it’s dishonest to gloss over them

            Personally speaking, I may not have reacted the same way to the atrocities of IA and his groups as I am now, because I was very familiar for the most part (for example Aklilu Zere writing) with most of what Yemane and others have said.

            My knowledge of TPLF interworking was very limited and to be honest, none of this type of information was made public to the best of my knowledge.

            I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make, by giving examples of the French Revolution and others. If you are saying, people should react the same way to PFDJ atrocities, I agree and I think I did and will continue to do. But there is no reason why we should have to go through that instead of avoiding it as we have learned from history. I am sure there are many revolution that went through like us but ended up changing the course of history.

            What was the purpose then when awate exposed the killing of the Muslim teachers based on circumstantial evidence? Was it not to expose the regime and to tell the truth?

            Those who are coming out and tell their story may have their own personal grudges with the regime but if they are telling is a in fact the truth, revolution or no revolution it doesn’t change the truth.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe,
            It’s true. But the point i wanted to make was that wishing for peaceful transition is always noble, and we must try our best. Maybe we can lower the damage even by some degree. And our collective efforts could even safe the nation from more damages. But we also have to be realistic. I promote peaceful and non-violent change knowing my contribution could be insignificant but I shouldn’t stop doing the right thing.

            However, the reality is not as we wish it and unfortunately we do not examine the situation properly.

            Owning our affairs and trying to bring about some change that would be acceptable to the majority would be nice. But the closed mind approach of the regime is exposing the country to greater risks. That is what i am saddened when I see people you know turning a blind eye to our internal injustice and always trying to score meaningless points. I wish they think in strategic terms, on how we would be affected if it could burn us. But no, these people have one goal, defeating their adversaries regardless of what that defeat entails. With that in mind, we have also to think about an all out violence similar to the one raging in Ethiopia and the Sudan which is getting worse by the day. As you know, we are not immune to that, we have the same cultural traits and the same human faults. That is what I wanted to say though I feel you think it was an individual reply to you. It’s not but i was venting my frustration. Cheers

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saleh,

            I agree as well. I hope they had taken reconciliatory measures and move on to smooth transition. I was not in favour the heavy handed ness Abiy was taking from the get go. I didn’t think it would go this far and I am not sure how this all will end.

            I get your point now.

            Thanks again.
            Berhe

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I really do not understand how you are so blinded by the love of TPLF. You are a scientist [i am not trying to put you in a spot, but I believe it’s relevant] how can you make such claim why is TPLF immensely popular in Tigrai if the said individuals are making any dent at all when they "spill the beans"? .

            How do you know for a fact they are very popular in Tigray without giving the people a chance to exercise their true feeling freely?

            You do not even leave 1% for doubt, you are 100% accurate.

            Let me ask you simply, is this guy lying, everything he is saying is false?

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            Absolutely! It is all heap of lies! I know for a fact! As for TPLF, It is not about love or hate, it is about the reality on the ground. TPLF never been solid thanks to the sheer stupidity of Abiy and Isaias including the people who are dumping lies on the radio and TV waves.

            Imagine, four political parties are competing in Tigrai including a party whose platform is independence. If this doesn’t tell you the confidence of TPLF, not sure what. What is pity and sad is that, the once hopeful and inspiring Abiy is reduced to hang on desperately to sore losers to score a supposed political point. What a pity!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            You say absolutely. I think Abi to a correct when he calls you “Getachew Assefa”. If you think after, 46 years, given a choice the people of Tigray will chose TPLF, you need to see somebody.

            Do they have Ghabir DerAnto in Tigray, I think you need to immerse there 7 times, ente gedefeka.

            To be honest, I think the best way to short circuit Isayas and Abiy and whom ever, the TPLF should dissolve the government and hand over power peacefully to the Tigray people.

            This will be the safest and the best way forward for the people.

            After that there will never be any threat that will come from anyone.

            Election? Really. What’s there to lose if they postpone the election? Honestly.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Look, I am not saying they are saints. But to say that Hayelom or Sihul were killed by TPLF is a white lie! And if you don’t understand why election is so vital and it can not be postponed under any circumstance including during Covid, sorry to say this, you and I can not communicate on any level.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            Anta Paulo.

            I live in a country that prides itself with ideals of democracy.

            Few years ago, we had a minority government and it was facing vote of none confidence to force an election.

            It used the law to abrogate government (suspend for two months) to delay the election.

            It’s reason, the government wanted two months of truce to enjoy the Winter Olympics it was being held in the country.

            Was that the end of the world? No I don’t think so.

            I said, what’s the big deal because as far as I know, the election board which has the mandate, said so.

            Why can’t the TPLF / Tigray take the government to court if that’s the case.

            BTW, the UK suspend election during WW2.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhe,

            Canada has had a democratic experience since the late 1860s. Ethiopia on the other hand is teetering on a fine thread which can snap due to lack of solid political institutions in tandem with a history rife with violence. It was with in that back drop that the election is so vital that it can not be compromised due to any contingencies.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Election is constitutional, and the elections cycles are implemented and enforced according the law. The mandate of the “election board” is to facilitate elections based on the elections laws. They don’t have mandate the mandate to postpone the election date. Since Abiy’s party has no mandate from the people to govern the country, it makes it more important to go with the election date, than any election cycle in Ethiopian politics.

            Election can create legitimate leadership, and becomes conducive to peace and stability of the country. Abiy dissolved EPRDF the party that brought him to power to finish the remaining years of the cycle. His new party is not legitimate either to continue to govern the remaining years, or postponed the election. At this point Abiy could lead as “de facto governing body“ to deal with the international community and facilitate the election accordingly to bring a legitimate leadership with a mandate from the popular election. All his attempt us to thwart the democratic process of Ethiopian politics. The Oromia, Weylata of the south, the Somalis people, and the Tigray people are challenging him in every aspect of his decisions. Keep in mind he is on “dictatorship training” by our despot. Who knows at one point, he might tell the Ethiopian people that there is no election , like our despot.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I know we use the term “law” when we try to make a point.

            You said “They don’t have the mandate to postpone the election date. “

            What would the legal / law way to deal with this decision?

            Let’s leave the loyalty issue aside and stay on the legal / law part. the party that brought him to power etc… It’s normal for people to break away from their party, or join others who were opponents when it suits them.

            Is there a higher body (as in Supreme Court) that citizens / institution or government body can bring the government to court and settle the issue legally?

            For example during 2000 election Al Gore argues he won the election while Bush claimed he did. They took their case to the Supreme Court and the court decided. Is there such thing in Ethiopia.

            P.S. to be honest I don’t know why the local government election depends on the federal government and vice versa. This whole Ethiopian federation makes no sense to me. The more I think about it, I think they would have been better off if they were one party state like China, without any pretence of multi party democracy.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam bare
            No, the federal system will be implemented as the constitution says and will continue the system of ethiopia.
            What is going on in ethiopia is out of u guys understanding capability,
            Ethiopia just planted. About 3 billion trees in less than 2 months, ethiopia just about to finish gerd, and so on.

          • Saleh Johar

            hi Tedros Alem,
            I was challenging Sekleshis numbers and you pumped it up by more than 300%!

            Seleshi Bekele @seleshi_b_a – Aug 12
            We have achieved the 5Billion tree plantation of this year as part of #GreenLegacy #Ethiopia. Plantation continues in the rain season. The purpose of Ethiopian’s in this regard is numerous like reversing degradation, CC, sustainability of ecosystems, enhancing biodiversity

            Saleh Gadi Johar. @salehjohar – Aug 12. Replying to @seleshi_b_a

            The tree planting campaign is impressive but 5 billion trees is 50 tree per capita; meaning every living Ethiopian planted 50 trees? If basic accounting was a person, he would ask for a big discount—maybe take off three zeroes!

            FAO says Ethiopian forest area is about 11%. You are claim you planted as much as the forest. You did a good job in the campaign, don’t spoil it for the sake of propaganda. Not everyone chews what is pushed into their mouth. Sorry.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            That was why i said 3 billion. why ? because i don’t chew the propaganda what is pushed in my mouth, i don’t chew the 5 billion nor 11% forest area. The 11% called “kuchet mefeter” and the 5 billion called ” encouragement” according to ethiopia gov propaganda style.
            but i know there is a big forestry and tree planting going on ethiopia.
            What i tryed to tell berhe was to show him , what human resources and organizations to plant 100 million.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I am not writing this to say I told you so, but it looks like TPLF have postponed the election indefinitely.

            I think it’s wise decision and I hope this will be an opportunity to fix the rift with the federal government.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            I am not sure if it is indeed true that tplf has postponed the elections. Some say it has, others say it hasn’t. In this age of fake news and alternative truth, it is difficult to know about the real thing. Covid-19 is said to be the (one of the) reasons for the postponement. We will learn more soon.
            Anyways, the elections are of a doubtful importance. It is rather one of the ways tplf wanted to show its opposition to the federal government, a means of sustaining the antagonism. If one expects that through elections there could be a change of government, or some other political power could rule the state, it will be the opposition that will demand for elections first and foremost. Up to now, the real opposition has refused to participate, because tplf is going to be the mastermind and not an independent organization.
            The next day after elections, there is going to be no change of power in the state. Still, it will be the tplf government in power. It will get, let’s say 80% of the votes instead of the meto-be-meto, and its cloned parties will share between themselves the remaining 20% of the seats.
            On the flip side, the ethiopian parliament has already extended tplf’s stay in power. In addition, for one reason or another, the money to cover the elections doesn’t seem to be available upto now.
            Therefore, the elections tplf is insisting to carry out is rather too much ado for nothing. It is all about power struggle with the federal government. The wear and tear could have brought the topic to such a closure with time.
            Another, rather childish suggestion i read was for tplf to carry out the elections now as it wants, but to participate again when the federal elections are carried out, which is meant to satisfy tplf’s ego rather than anything else.
            Tplf looks weaker due to few and weak alliances outside tigray, and the opposition it faces within tigray, especially lately. The trojan horses jawar, bekele g., and others and organizations like olf and olf-shenne, who acted as the long arm of tplf, are either in prison or in retreat. Tplf has resorted, as they say, to incarcerations and even killings, and the last defection of 30-40 fighters to amhara region, if true, shows the trend that is on the way. It could be that history is going to repeat itself, unless tplf steps back for the sake of its people and itself.
            As you said, postponement of the elections is the right move. Audacity and arrogance will take tplf nowhere, and it will expose the people to ugly adventures. The people of tigray are tired of politicians who drink a lot to boost their testosterone drive for adventure, or they are so old that they have nothing to lose anymore, but the consequences could be grave especially for the people. They do not seem to care much.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            The cooks be fake never occurred to me. Why would someone fabricate such news in the first place. There is political gain but create confusion and childish play (even children)would not resort to game.

            In Italy they probably have over 60 elections since Ww2. Israel has at least every 2 years in the last 20 years. Where I live we could have elections every year, if the government is not able pass a budget. All members of government can bring fiends the government by triggering “vote of yes confidence”. And there is the Supreme Court who is the highest authority in the land that can settle such political disputes.

            who is the highest authority in Ethiopia as per the constitution?
            – is it the ruling government
            – is it the Supreme Court
            – is it the military

            In other words who has the power and a final say when there is dispute with the ruling government?

            This is what I was asking, and if there is such authority, had the TPLF tried to do that?

            Instead, it’s the Tigray people right or what ever nonsense.

            In the US for example, they have a real issue to deal with. The current government can propose to postpone the elections, due to Corona virus (and doing bad on the polls).

            The opposition would want to have the elections because they feel the current government have not handled the pandemic well (as per advice if the medical officers) and it’s more reason to try to replace the government from things worst.

            Then comes the Supreme Court if faced with such question to rule to the best interests of the country.

            Is there such mechanism in Ethiopia? If not, who is to blame other than EPRDF for not putting the proper government measures / mechanism to foresee such conflict.

            I mean, they gave the reference of the whole world to consult.

            I get it they want to show force with Abiy but what’s is really they gain ?

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            ኣታ ሰብኣይ,

            Why are stuck in the gutter of fake news.? It is not about TPLF anymore as far as elections are concerned, it is the rights of the Tigrean people to make a decision on it. As such, there is no way they opt either to postpone the election or drop it all together. You are an educated man and please act as such to the very least where instead of resorting what so and so has said, consult the authentic source. The election is set for ጳጉሜኔ 4 and the results will be posted the next day.

            Respectfully

            P.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            Ok, got it.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Berhe,
            As far as TesfaZion is concerned, Ghabir DerAnto is Tigray

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; Absolutely he was telling the truth. when he got in to Hayelom’s death, he posed and trying to gather himself. he was very emotional. The other part interested me was; the subject of Mussie. I heard so much story about his death. I read it from Tesfaye Gebrab book, i heard it so many times on you tube and this guy account and what EPLF veterans interview on Eri-X; are identical. Although this guy said it bluntly.

          • Nitricc

            I know someone will label him another “disgruntled wedo geba”.

            Hi Berhe; hahahahaha lol. you gunned it.

  • Abi

    Consolation
    ኢሱ ጭሱ አመለቢሱ ይህን ቢል አይደንቀኝም:: የሚደንቀኝ ጥቃቅን አጫፋሪዎቹ በንግግሩ አለማፈራቸው ነው:: አንዳዶቹ ደፋሮችማ እንደ ዳዊት ጠዋትና ማታ ይደግሙታል::

    • Consolation

      Abi,

      Condolleeza Rice, Jendayi Frazier, Susan Rice and Barak Hussein Obama were all HNs who faithfull served their white masters.

      • Abi

        Consolation
        All these people you mentioned achieved the highest possible in the world stage. Some settled for consolation prize.

        • Consolation

          Abi,

          They may have achieved personally; Susan rice and Obama are multi millionaires now. But I doubt if there are many black people in the USA who don’t consider Obama as a total failure. It is the supposed racist Trump who cancelled the job-killing deals like TPP which the Obama championed to serve his white corporate masters. As public figures, the people I mentioned were total failures. Susan Rice bears a heavy share for the massacre of 800,000 Tutsis. Who do you think was she serving when she refused to call the massacre “genocide”?

  • Paulos

    Selam Beyan,

    Many thanks for the well written and argued article.

    Before history there was pre-history and before pre-history, there was Biology [Genetics.] When the latter gave us variation not only as a tool to adopt and survive the ever changing environment but it helped us cultivate culture, set of values and world view as well. The culture endured not because of uniformity but because of diversity between ourselves and among ourselves as well. The diversity is not only with in ecological, societal, cultural, psychological but also political foot-print as well. That is precisely the reason history has a meaning only with in this unique species–humans. Animals and plants do not have history for instance, save evolutionary history.

    That said however, the vivid difference with in and among us–across the board–bounces back and forth with in what we call normal limitation where with in the academic parlance, expert call it with in the Bell-Curve or Aristotle’s Golden Mean. Punctuated extremes appear in a time of either transition or when a nation is in serious crisis. Populism, radicalism and perhaps tribalism as well are diagnostic symptoms to that effect. And contemporary Eritrea is not an exception but a classic case study when Eritreans in general are harking back either to a narrowed tribalism or us-versus-them tunnel vision not so much out of spite but to make a frantic meaning to the anomaly of the socio-political crisis that has befallen upon them due to a calibrated design where they are fighting each other to pin point its sources.

    The title of your article hints if the former General is “Moses” who will lead us through the rough terrain into what the true believers had imagined and died for with in the span of thirty years bloody struggle. I personally have my doubts for he is not cut out for that kind of sublime calling but can certainly play a critical role to re-orient Eritreans into a clear direction. In the meantime, our “Moses” who finds unity in our diversity is yet to be found.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dr. Paulos,

      Thank you for bringing the discussion to where it should. I would dare to state that our own Beyan would be delighted because he would find much to say about the basic issues you have raised.

      I agree with you that history is not static. It has in fact carries inherent dynamism due to existence of humans in it. Within that phenomenon humans stay in perpetual movement creating and transforming values and norms for themselves wherever they happen to be that give form and content to particular within peculiarities, which develop to shape into variations that express themselves in traditions, customs, and cultures, with latter branching to outlooks or belief systems giving meaning and purpose to life that need to be organized in notions one of which is politics.

      As you have succinctly put, our own society, too, cannot be understood outside the historical process that history had imposed on its constituent elements or diverse demographics, if you will. Our problem that has been following us eversince the inception of our historical entity is that we have not had chance to harness our diverse peculiarities towards finding the mean you had mentioned, and the reasons and factors for this are myriad, I would say.

      We had remained, thus, in stages of finding conditions that could give us opportunities allowing us to produce national masons (read: political classes) that could design and build ways that could lead us towards the mean; we remained each member of the diversity struggling to first ensure how the specifics of peculiarities if each would fare when all is done and said , and we come to the ‘Golden Mean’. The concept of the mean I am alluding to here is of course the system of the societal organization or governance in its broad sense. What happened to us is thus living in chronic malaise called mistrust of the various members of our diversity of the otherm each try to get prior guarantee either as dominant or dominated.

      The strange thing we witness is that the dominating, for one reason or the other, lives in state suspicion or fear of the dominated. This was the root of Isayas’ Aferwerki’s infamous manifesto, in accordance of which a significant segment of our society has been deluded to uphold this entrenched suspicion and mistrust of the dominated if seen in the context of the present conditions of our nation.

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

        Woke up way too early today and decided to comment on it before I headed to work and glad you like it when you elevate the discussion into a semblance of a Professor who critiques a term paper of a student with red ink on the sides and corners of the paper. You are a class act in every sense of the word including your impeccable command of the language as well. Really. And I absolutely agree with what you said. Thank you!

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Dr. Paulos,
          I am really humbled. I do not in anyway entertain an illusion of qualifying of what you very kindly graced me. Of what I sure is, however, I consider myself as a loyal student of highly educated brothers/sisters who give us opportunities to learn. Thank you, and many others like you, my dear.

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም እስማዒል፡

        ክልተ መዓልቲ ሙሉእ ክህውትት ቀንዩ’ሲ፡ ክንዲ ምስጋና፡ ምምብርካኽ እዩ ዘድልዮ ነይሩ። ግና ከምዚ ዝበሎ ለዋህ መምህር ስለዝኾንካ፡ ብጽቡቕ መልሓስ ተቐቢልካዮ። ዝኾነ ኮይኑ ቀንጠብጠብ ዘብዝሕ ብጣዕሚ ንፉዕ ተመሃራይ ከምኡ ይሃብካ፡ ካብ ካብዝን ካብትን ዘይብሉ! 🙂 🙂 🙂 ።

        • Paulos

          Selam Hailat,

          The other day Aya Saleh pulled out his ruler when he told me to stretch my hand out. It was painful but didn’t cry for he meant it for my own good. Yours is of a typical tough educator for you were one in real space and time. To be honest with you, every time I make sensitive comment, you come to mind for I fear you the most as if a student is terrified the reaction of a teacher. What ever I say however, you all have put a leash on me so that I come back to where I feel home. True!

          • Haile S.

            ፖል፡

            ሕጂ ንባዕልኻ ተመሊስካ፡ ኣርእስቲ ኣግፊሕካ፡ ካይተህውትተኒ። በዓል ኣነ ኣብ ቀረባ ኢና። ሳይንስ ክንምህር መጺና፡ ጀምስ ብሩስ እንተሰሚዕና ነታ ክላስ ብሂስትሪ ኢና ንውድኣ። ስቕ በል! 🙂

          • Haile S.

            ሓደርካ ፖል፡

            ምስ ብርሃን-ገጸይ (:-)) ስቕ በል እንተበልኩስ
            ካን ኣፍካ-ሓዝ ከምዝበልኩ!
            ንዓ ድኣ ተዛረብ፡ ካይትድንዝዝ ካይስበለካ
            ድሓር ክኣ ምስተመለስካ ኣኻኪብካ
            መን ክኽእለካ 🙂 :-).
            መቕጻዕቲ ዘየብዛሕኩልካ!
            ምሓሸኒ ምህራም ብመስመር ኣጻብዕካ

            ናይ ሃተውተው ብጻይካ

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            መምህር ኔሮምኒ
            ምምባብ ማሃሩኒ
            መምህር ኔሮምኒ
            ሕሳብ ማሃሩኒ
            መምህር ኔሮምኒ
            ሳይንስ ማሃሩኒ

            ሃይለ’ዩ ዝሽሞም
            ከም ሽሞም”ዩ ግርምኦም
            ንጉስ ሃገር ዘይኮኑ
            እንታ’ዩ ሑዝዎም
            ይብል ነበርኩ
            ብልበይ ይሓምዮም

            ንሶም ግን መረጹ
            ንሃገር ክሃንጹ
            ቾክ ኣብ ኢዶም
            ሰሌዳ ኣብ ቅድሚኦም
            ንፍልጠት ዘርእዎ
            ብዘይሓደ ኣድልዎ

            ቆልዓ ተሃነጸ
            በልሐ ከም መላጸ
            ኩርዓት ሃገር ኮነ
            ፍልጠት ምስወነነ
            ካብ ሳይንስ ናብ ፍልስፍና
            ካብ ታሪኽ ናብ ሕክምና
            ክዋናጨፍ ጀመረ
            ከም ጥይት በረረ
            መምህር ምሰ ሰምዑ
            ‘ትዝና ት’ወረ
            ልቦም ተሓበነ
            መንፈሶም ሰነነ
            ኢሎም ኣነ መምህር ኣነ
            ኣነ ሃይለ ኣነ
            ንግስነት ገዲፈ
            ንፍልጠት ሃሪፈ
            ክሃንጽ መረጽኩ
            ንበይነይ ከይበልኩ
            ታሪኾም ነገሩ
            ኩሉ ‘ዳዘከሩ!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ፖል፡

            ብምርቓ ክጅምር ትምኒተይ ናይ ልቢ
            ናይ ልብኻ ይፍጠረልካ እቲ ናትካ ረቢ

            ኣንታ ከምዚ ዶ’ሎ’ዩ ልቅሶ ብህይወትካ
            ተሰሚዑ ነይፈልጥ ገና ካይመትካ !

            ኣነ ሰሚዔዮ ሎሚ ብህይወተይ
            ኩሉ ተደማሚሩ ናተይ ዘይናተይ

            ጳውሎስ ሓወይ ሎምስ ቀሊትካኒ
            ሕጂ ተኸድኩ’ሲ እንታይ ይተርፈኒ

            ግና ካይበላዕኩ ‘ታ ዝተማባጻዕካለይ
            በል ንዓ ‘ተተበሃልኩ ክብ’የ እምብለይ

      • Beyan

        merHaba Paulos and Ismail AA,

        I’m glad you posted your note on the top here, otherwise, I would’ve missed it. I am still in the mode of getting used to the neck breaking speed this forum tends to interact. Scrolling down becomes cumbersome when the exchanges reach such high volume. I just saw these two notes that I cherish reading. What I find fascinating in you Paulos is the economy of words. The denseness of your note is just beyond compare. The clarity with which you write leaves no room for any ambiguity. Indeed, we’ve come a long way from the era of Ruth Benedict of the early twentieth century whose cultural patterns were used to remotely judge Japanese culture and I forget some Native American tribes as well. Our understanding of the dynamism of human culture you’ve captured laconically.

        Situating the state of confusion that we find ourselves in through the context of cultural evolutionary lenses makes a great deal of sense. Marrying biological, mathematical, and cultural traits aren’t that easy to explain. I wouldn’t even dare to delve in it as there are those for whom this field is their profession. I will let them educate us if they inclined to do so. What I know is probably an aberration more than the norm. The Mendelian laws of dominance, segregation, and independent assortment, which I contend is applied differently than that cultural evolutionary process that you’ve alluded to here. Whether our evolutionary process was gradual or punctuated with the rapid evolution of the field of genetics now in tow, there is bound to be a great deal of scholarly debate of which I’m ill equipped to articulate.

        But, the hopeful sign in your note that it’s just Eritreans are no different than any others is comforting. They are trying to make sense of their world with whatever means at their disposal. The social media outlet is one orifice that is giving them a chance to interact with those they consider their brethren. I suppose that could have some therapeutic effects as well.

        From both of you – related to Mesfin Hagos (MH) – I have gained a great deal of insight. It definitely is helping me shape the ideas that have been floating in my head for quite some time now. It needs some serious fleshing out. Your input on MH potentially ‘reorient[ing] Eritreans into a clear direction’ is a compelling scenario worth exploring.

        And, Ismail, your assertion of the interconnectedness among the three serious subjects that we are struggling to grasp, namely politics, history, and culture there sure is a lot on our plate that requires some serious figuring out. Without a clear grasp in these three areas as they apply in our context, we will continue to shoot in the dark rather than seeking the light from those who are enlightened. Unfortunately, the enlightened in our midst have long ago left the political, social, and historical discourses to the laymen. We are paying the price for such a void.

  • Brhan

    ወያኔ ታካባኖ በዓል ህግደፍ ፡ وياني شماعة اهل هقدف

    ኣብ ኤርትራ የለን ሕገ መንግስቲ ليس في إرتريا دستور
    ባይቶ እውን የለን ሕጊ መሰራቲ ولا مجلس الشعب
    ናጻ ዳኛታት እውን የለውን ሕጊ ተቖጻጸርቲ ولا مجلس الشيوخ

    ኣብ ኤርትራ ሰብ ይእሰር ብዘይ ፍርዲ يسجن المرء دون الحكم
    ይቕተል እውን ኣብ ሰብ ዘይብሉ ዓዲ ويُقتل في مكان لا يوجد فيه قوم

    ኣብ ኤርትራ የለን ነጻ ዘረባ في إرتريا لا حرية في الكلام
    ብጀካ ኢሱ ዝበሎ ዛዕባ سوى كلام الزعيم
    ኣይፋልን ዝበለ ኣብኣ ይረኽባ وويلك إذا قلت بلا يا مظلوم

    ዋርሳይ ሓወይ ባርያ ኮይኑ ሽሙ اصبح إسم الوارث عبد
    ንቡር ከይምስርት ተሓሪሙ ومنع من تكوين الأسرة للأبد
    ዕድሚኡ ይሓልፍ ጀነራልት ዊስኪ ክጥምሙ وتمضي ايامه والجنرالات تسكر بالخمر المستورد

    ዓቢ ምስ ንእሽቶ الكبير والصغير
    ንሰደት እግሩ መረሐቶ يخطو ليهاجر
    ኣብ ምድረበዳ ዋዒ ነብሱ ኣሕረረቶ وجسمه بشمس الصحراء ملتهب
    ጨካን ባህሕሪ ብዘይ ንሕሰያ ወሓጠቶ وببحرقاسي بدنه تذوب

    ግርም እባ ታካባኖ ህግደፍ عجب شماعة الهقف
    ተሻካሚት ኩሉ መንደፍ تحمل كل قمام مقذوف

    • Kokhob Selam

      Nice Dear Brhan,

      An art of our poem with Arabic and Tigrnya.. Very nice and excellent..Expert of the all awate community..Really I am very attracted with your style….Put the same in our Jebena page please..

      KS,,

  • Paulos

    Simon,

    Biden picked Harris. Do you think Trump has better chance of winning as opposed to if Biden had picked Susan Rice instead.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Dr. Paulos,

      I was leaning toward Kamala Harris as opposed to the other 5 potentials but Susan Rice was never my choice. I remember her being accused of some environmental/financial issue before (Keystone Pipeline XL) and recently she was in the news selling 300k worth of Netflix share.

      She is multimillionaire, heavily into money, African American, and a woman which makes her seriously prone to political attack equally from the left and from the right.

      Biden/Harris 2020!

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Fanti,

        You don’t suppose Biden will offer the State Department position to Susan Rice, if successful, do You?

        It is a brave new world. There is a lot of wild whirl wind for the next couple of months. I am not for Trump/Pence but I am not for Biden/Harris either, so the nightmare I feared in 2016 is repeating itself.

        Mr. K.H

        • Aligaz G

          KH,

          I found it interesting to read what the New York Times wrote about the foreign policy debacles of Rice compared to their overwhelming applause for the nomination of Harris. The open criticism of the support Rice gave the dictatorship of Meles and her other mistakes in Libya and Rwanda leads me to believe Rice and her group will not make a comeback at State.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Aligaz G,

            I think you might be right. My hunch was that Biden is much more susceptible to being influenced by advisors. I think his biggest advisor might be Obama and Susan is very close to Obama.

            I said whirl wind, we would never know until it stops. Come to think of it I am not sure if it will stop immediately. We will all see in less than 90 days.

            Mr. K.H

          • Aligaz G

            KH,

            Depends on Biden’s relationship with Obama. Also the 4 yr gap makes it easier for Biden to move away from Obama’s mistakes.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Mr. Kim Hanna,

          Kamala is from California, what more do you need?

          I think Biden should not engage Susan Rice in any official capacity except as a friend whom he calls for general advice every now and then. Since also it would amount to demotion to offer her posts she already had or lower, there isn’t really much left where she can excel.

          • Nitricc

            What is up my great friend? nice to see you. hope you stick around this time.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Nitriccay,

            I am doing exceptionally well and I hope you are doing the same. I see you are soldiering forward with full force as usual.

            Thank you, and yeah, I do intend to stick around!

        • Paulos

          Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

          Not sure how Harris will be received by the African American community when Obama had similar challenges when he first started campaigning if he was “Black enough” and Rice would’ve fared better in that sense.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Madam Rice is heading back to Foggy Bottom. This time as a CEO.

            Madam Secretary, “Eritrean President, Isaias Afewrki is on the phone “
            She responded angrily, “ Who? Tell him to call back when he grow up. I ain’t got no time for BS!”
            Oops.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Abi,
            that is a funny dialogue. Yeah that idiot or denqerocrat knows nothing about the international stage. He has brought nothing but grief to 5 million Eritreans. In 2000, he was playing checkers while Meles was playing chess with Rice.

          • Abi

            Hello mad mullah
            The denqorocrats were cheering for him back in 2000.
            ወዲ አፎም ያቺን ህፃን ምን እንዳላት ሰማህ? አዋረዳት እኮ! አጆካ ወዲ አፎም!!!
            This time there is no chess or checkers. It is going to be “catch”.
            Good Boy!!!

          • Consolation

            MM,

            It is in the nature. Meles’ motto was, “ምስ ሓያል ውሽማ’ደኻ ደኒንካ ንበር”. That may get a temporary respite, but in the long term, principles matter and always prevail.

          • mad mullah

            Hello C
            The question at the end of the day is do you deliver for your people… TPLF have delivered for their province or terrain.
            Our denqorocrat is closing universities and exporting as many refugee as Syrian at the height of Syrian crisis…
            And we got one million refugee in Sudan already….

          • Consolation

            Selam MM,

            My point is whatever was delivered was based on massive theft of Ethiopian resources and by becoming servile to external forces. These have provided temporary benefits, no doubt, but have taught Tigrayans nothing but thievery and political prostitution. Our “donqoratat”, understanding that free lunches are ephemeral, have taught their people the long-term benefits of self-reliance. You see, Eritrea’s future is assured while Tigray has no future. The 50,000 Tigrayan migrants rotting in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are a testament to that!

          • Aligaz G

            Consolation,

            Congratulations you win the prize for Tigrean bashing. The way you talk with such glee about people “rotting” in Yemen is just great. Keep it up.

          • Consolation

            Aligaz,

            When some clown tells me that the TPLF kleptocrats have delivered to their people just because they built 5-storey blocks in Mekele with stolen Ethiopian money, am I not justified to point to him the real situation of the 3 million Tigrayans in Tigray who survive on 15Kg donated wheat for month, or the millions who do not have access to clean water, or the 50,000 Tigrayans who are, yes, rotting in Yemen and Saudi Arabia! That is not Tigray bashing, that is telling it the way it is.

          • Aligaz G

            Consolation,

            Actually, you wrote “Tigray has no future” and called Tigreans “thieves”. These sort of silly characterizations take away from whatever legitimate points you were trying to make.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Paulos
            You are right. In American, politics they talk about African American representation but Obama and Harris are both are not African American. At least in the case of Obama, he was married to Michelle Obama who was African American. Harris doesn’t have any history with African American community except for putting in them in jail for minor offense or crimes.

          • Paulos

            MM,

            One can not ride over oppressed people to get to power by pretending to be one of them and sharing their history as well which is absolutely not the case. It is a sham and phoney. And that is the reason that I will be voting for Trump!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ
            Now you are joining the rich club! Did Simon K. lobby on your behalf for the fast approval? 🙂

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            I admit it was tantrum on my part for I was hoping he would pick Susan Rice instead. But Harris might turn out to be a force for change and for better years to come as well. Let’s hope.

            Eritrea is closer to Kenya and close to India when the latter two prided themselves for producing a President and prospective V-President. If geography is any indication, Eritrean-American is next in line to be a President. Hopefully your son for my son has already made up his mind to be NBA player instead.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ
            Many black women have already showed their distaste of Harris. They believe she doesn’t have the inner feeling of blackness.
            My son is following my footstep and nothing close to politics.
            Maybe the young senator from Colorado or so?

            N.B. when I get richer, I will contact our brother, Simon K. For now, I will stay as an independent [leaning democrat] 🙂

        • Aron

          Hi Mr. kim,
          My feelings exactly, on the issues specially social issues I would never under any circumstances vote for a democrat. In this case I am going to vote for Biden holding my nose just to help get Trump the demagogue and the most corrupt out of office. Aron

      • Abi

        Fantastic
        Now that Madam Rice is not on the ticket, the chance of Biden winning መቶ በመቶ has reduced significantly.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Paulos,

      Two blind mice …

      It is a sign of desperation by the Tax and Spend aka Democrat party. Their field of leadership is barren. They scraped the bottom of the barrel and came up with anti-black Crime bill author, a friend of segregationists and corrupt Joe Biden (Ukraine, China).

      Not all blacks forget who Biden is or the history of the Democrat party, the party of the Southern slave owners, the KKK, segregationists. Not even coopting a token black face in the shape of flip flopping, uncharismatic Kamala Harris.

      Can these two be a match for lying and thieving Chinese dictator’s plan to takeover the World?
      Trump is going to have a field day in the debates.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Simon,

        It is normal to be a member or supportive of Republican Party. But it is normal to support Trump who does not carry the republican ideological principles. Leaving aside the opinions of Eritreans on Trump’s unruly racist behavior, let me ask you this question. Why are the Lincoln project, who are the “ideologues and think tank” of Republican Party, are campaigning against Trump re-election? I have no doubt that you are aware about and have watched the commercial air waves on national TVs against Trump and his administration by the Lincoln project organization. How do you see them?

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Amanuel H.,

          What is normal? Being a politics, law graduate or being part of the DC circuit? These are all parasitic professions.

          Racism? Any evidence related to personal or government policy? Don’t tell me that you heard it from WaPo, NYT, CNN and rest of the gutter media.

          ‘Lincoln’ Project? A catchy name!

          What do they oppose? Tax cuts, Deregulation, Trade renegotiation, fair annual financial contribution by members to NATO, reduction in American military involvement abroad?

          Look closely. Most of these chaps are advisors, lobbyists, tink tank members or have some jobs of parasitic nature. Will they appeal to the Steel and Car manufacturing worker, Coal miner or to a person who lives in a trailer park? Doubtful.

          Why don’t they run against Trump? No, they prefer to support sleepy Joe Biden. Enough said.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            I am sure you heard them in their commercial tv air waves, and you don’t need to know from me. If you believe in the Republican philosophy, they were your colleagues, more so they were and are the driving mind of the Republican ideological philosophy. Don’t Waite to tell you what they are saying, because the campaign is still continuing in the tv air waves day and night, more so than the Democratic campaign against the Trump government. Furthermore, you can not be more Republican than these Republican erudites. “Lincoln project“ is not not a “catchy name“ only, it is a project with a mission to redeem the party that has lost its bearing these days.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            You seem to be preoccupied with the “Lincoln Project” group of republicans. Have you seen some of them on CNN, MSNBC talking and non-stop blaming Trump for everything under the sky.
            Some Republicans call them RINOs, (Republicans In Name Only)

            These are a collection of lobbyist, foreign gov. advisors and operatives, so called journalists, and Washington D.C cocktail party group where party affiliation is meaningless.
            These elite, well to do group, Dem/Rep have their own agenda and TRUMP had trampled on all of it. I don’t blame them.
            As I said before, Trump is an equal opportunity offender. He is not somebody you invite home to have dinner with your family. He has that distinct New York city personality to boot.

            If you ask me, I think Trump is more of a Democrat than a Republican. He simply chose the Republican machinery to get to his destination.
            The flip side is the radical left using the a willing Kamala Harris and the Democratic party and poor, poor Joe Biden to get to their destination.

            The ominous big question then becomes, what do you do? Do you choose the Devil you know or the Devil you don’t know.

            Mr. K.H

            P.S: I regret posting these comments that has no connection to the article. I also try to adhere to the advice of Ismail AA, but when I see a glaring error, I try to correct the misconception.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H,

            I explained to you in question and answer form, but it’s still not clear to you. Let me try a different tack.

            These are chaps with personal issues, such as not getting positions in government or they are angry Neo-cons.

            If Trump listenes to some of these chaps, America will be in World War 6.

            Trump,UAE and Israel,well done today!

  • Consolation

    Selam All,

    I prefer to express my view of the last desperate gasp of the Weyane and their Eritrean cohorts in verse

    ከምቲ ኣምሓሩ ክምስሉ
    ዝጨነቖ ሓራስ የእቱ ዝብሉ፥
    ቶም ዕስራ ዓመት ዝሸቀሉ
    ወያነ ከምዝተጓሕፈ ዘየስተብሃሉ
    ንመስፍን ጀነራልነት ቶዂቦምሉ
    መቐለ ሓዲሮም ያኢ ኣስመራ ክውዕሉ::

    ጎንደር: መቐለ: ሃዋሳ ዝኾለሉ
    ተረፍ ጸላኢ ዘልምጹ ጕሓላሉ
    ወያነ ሞይቱ ኣብዝቕበረሉ
    ኣይገርመናን ሸበድበድ እንተበሉ
    ከልቢ ይነብሕ ከም ኣመሉ
    ገመል ይምርሽ ከየስተውዓለሉ::

    • Haile S.

      Selam Consolation

      ንዓ ርሓቕ ካብ ወያነ ንባዕልኻ
      ትኽ ትንፋስካ ዝነበረ ዓርክኻ
      ክትደሊ ቀዳዊኻ፡ ክትጸልእ ካራኻ
      ወይ ንስኻ ደባሲ ዝብሉኻ
      ትመስል ወጮ ዝተኸድነ ድቡስ ራኻ!

      ባዕልኻ እንተዘይደሊኻ
      ክትገብሮ ቀባሪኻ
      ኣይትጠቐመሉ ከም መሣርያኻ

      ወረ ንዓ ርሓቕ በጃኻ!
      ሓደራኻ ንጠቕምኻ
      ክትዛተ ፈትን ብኽብረት ምስ ደቂ ዓድኻ
      ደርቢኻ ድርዕቶኻ
      ሽዑ ነርክበሉ ናይ ሜዳ ማንታኻ

      • Consolation

        Ato Haile S.

        ኣነይኮንኩን: መስፍን’ዩ ኣርእስቲ
        ምስ ወያነ ምስቶም ጠለምቲ
        ኣኻኺቡ ነቶም ከደምቲ
        ያኢ ክምርሽ ኣስመራ ክኣቲ::

        መስፍን ዝመርሖም፥ ሃገር ሸየጥቲ
        ምስ ወያነ፥ መስሪቶም ልፍንቲ
        ምስዞም ፍንፉናት፥ መን ይዝቲ
        ብደዎም ዝሞቱ፥ ተረፍ ኣልመጽቲ፡፡

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም ኮንሶላስዮን (fr. prononciation)

          ዝገጠምኩ ኣይነበረን ንዓካ
          እዩ ነቲ ‘ለከመከ’ ዝለከመካ

          ገሌና ብታሕቲ ነፋዂስ፡ ንስኻ ብኣፍካ !
          ነውሪ ዝሓወይ ኣብዚ ኹሉ ‘ታይ ኣብጽሓካ
          ምእንተ ቅድስተ-ጥዕምተ-መልሓስ ይትረፍካ

          • Consolation

            Ato Haile S.

            ኣነ ደኣ: ነዓይ መሲሉኒ’ምበር
            ንሱ ደኣ: መርገጹ ካብ ዝንጸር
            መዋእል ኢንድዩ ኮይኑ፥ ህግ ካብ ዝፍጠር
            ሓንቲ ኢያ መርገጹ: ዘይትስንጠር
            ሓንቲ ኢያ ቃሉ፥ ዘይትስበር
            ኤርትራ ምስ በለ፥ ዘይብገር
            ዝመጸ እንተመጸ፥ ዘይደናገር::

          • Haile S.

            Selam Consolation,

            ሕጂ ኣምጻእካ ዋላ እንተዘተሰማማዕናሉ
            ዘረባ፡ ብዘይ ግዕዘ፡ እሂን ምሂን እንበሃለሉ

            እታ ‘ሓንቲ መርገጽ’ እንዲያ ዘላ እተባእሰና
            ናተይ ስምዑ ጥራይ፡ ዘይትብል ናይ ኩልና

            እታ ሓንቲ ቓል እንዲያ እታ ሃጓፍ ኣብ መንጎና
            ንሳ ጥራይ ትዛረብ ዓትዒታ ዓጽያ ጎሮሮ ኩላትና

            ኤርትራ!! እትብል ጥራሕ ኣብ ዘረባ
            ምድጓን ስርሓ ክልዓል ከሎ ሃገራዊ ዛዕባ

            ‘ዝመጸ እንተመጸ’ እንዳፈከረት በቲና ዜጋታታ
            ኣሳጊራቶም ዶባ፡ ይሰርሑ እንሆ ንጎረባብታ

            ሃገር ማለት ብደቃ ትኽበር እትምራሕ
            መራሕታ ብዓመጾም ጌሮማ እትህደም እትርሕራሕ

          • Consolation

            Haile S.,

            እታ ሓንቲ መርገጽ፥ ኢታ ሓንቲ ቃል
            ኤርትራ’ዩ ሽማ፥ የለን ካልእ ዝበሃል
            ሳ’ተላ ኣለና፥ ተዘየላ ንኸውን ሰንፈላል
            ገሊኦም ትንዕ ይብሉ፥ ክትጠፍእ ክትደሃል
            ብዙሓት ይርህጹ፥ ክትጽብቕ ክትኵሓል
            ቶም ዘይናታ፥ ምንሻው ምቅላል
            20 ከዲሞም፥ ኣለዉ ኣብ ኣሽካዕላል
            እቶም ናታ፥ መንፈሶም ዓቃል
            ይሰርሑ ይብጀዉ፥ ብዘይምሕላል
            ክሳብ ዝድምሰስ፥ ዝሐለነ ከስቅጣ ነታ ቓል::

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      ሰላማት

      ብዘበን ውበ ዝጸመመ
      ውበ ክብል ሞተ
      ብዘበን ወያነ ዝሓመመ
      ከምዛ ብስድርኡ ዝተረግመ
      ሓንጎሉ ተዓፊኑ ብግመ
      ወያነ ክብል ቆዘመ
      ወያነ ሃገሮም ይሃንጹ
      ንሱ ግን ስድሪ ‘ኳ ነይሰጎመ
      ከምዛ በእጋሩ ዝተሎግመ

      ወይ ወያነ ትገብሩ
      ንበዓል ቲፋኖስ ተባህርሩ

      • Consolation

        Selam Mehandis

        ኣንታ መሃንድሳይ፥ ናይ ድሓን ድዩ
        ወያነ ተጓሒፉ፥ ተበልኩ ተሰንድዩ
        ታዩ ዘሕመካ፥ እንታይካ ተቖንጥዩ
        ወያነ ሞይቱ’ዩ፥ ቀብሩ’ዩ ቀርዩ::

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Selamat Consolation
          ኣነስ ዓሰርተ ግዜ
          ወያነ ስለዝበዝሐ
          ከምዝ ጸብሒ
          ብጨው ዝተነግሐ
          ጥዒሙ

          ደሓር ከኣ
          ወያነ ‘ንተሞይቱ
          ‘ንታይ ደኣ ሓርገጽ ዓዲ ሃሎ
          ወያነ ሓንጊዱ?
          ዝብል

          ከምኡ ድማ
          ወያነ ‘ንተተቐቢሩ
          ስለምንታይ ደኣሞ
          ኣቶ ደባስ ኣብዚ ተዳኽሩ
          ዶ ዋላስ ተዕገርግሩ
          ዚኣስ ኣይግድን
          ወረ መዓስ ኢኹም
          ካብ ሰብ ትማሃሩ?

          በል ሕጂ ብሰላም ዕረፍ
          ተማሒርካ ‘ለኻ [if I may use SaleH’s favorite two words]

        • Paulos

          Consolation,

          ማዓንጣ ተለካ
          ስረ ተዓጢቕካ
          ተበገስ ናብ ትግራይ
          ክትመልስ ንብረትካ

          ‘ንዳ ህግደፍ
          ብጀካ ሃተፍተፍ
          ሓሞትኩም ዝፈሰሰ
          ሓንጎልኩም ዝደንዘዘ
          ሓደ ሰብኣይ ኣልሚሱኩም
          ናብ ኣናጹ ቀይሩኩም
          ጽባሕ ወያነ ሓላለዩ
          ሰላም’ዩ ሰላምዩ
          እንተ ኢሉኩም
          ለኽብጥና ዝናብራኹም
          ንወያነ ከትውድሱ
          ምዋዓልኩም
          ምሓገኹም
          ኢሳያስ ወዲ ተምቤን
          እዚ ቑራጽ ተመን
          ብኸምኡ’ዩ ንዒቑኩም
          ከም ሰብ ዘይርኤኩም
          ንሱ ንሕና
          ንሕና ንሱ
          ሚሒልኩም
          ጥሒልኩም
          ከም’ዘለ ውርደት የለን
          ኣይተራእየን
          ኣይተሰምዐን

          • Consolation

            ዶቶረ

            ወያነ ተተጸርፈ፥ ጸላዕላዕ ዝብለካ
            ምስጢሩ ጠፍኡኒ፥ መሰረት ሕማምካ

            ከይብል ደፊረ፥ ናይ ስጋ ኮይኑካ
            ወዲ ኤረ ኢኻ: ኣሚነ መንነትካ፥

            ከይብል ከም ካልኦት: ብገንዘብ ተገዚእካ
            ገንዘብ ወያነ፥ እንታይ ይዓብሰልካ
            ካብ ኮነ ሞያኻ፥ ዶቶረ ኣብ ኣመሪካ

            በጃኻ ሓብረኒ፥ እታ ትቕንጥወካ
            ወያነ ሞይቱ: ክበሃል እንተሰማዕካ::

    • Sultan

      A Beautiful one,Consolation!
      But I think you have missed the genuine point Nd concerns of the Genuine Eritreans .
      While we Eritreans are proud for surviving the in survival events and challenges, we have gotten the minimum of what we deserve .
      That is what frustrated and pushed Gen Mesfin Hugos to do the unexpected and the unusual .
      PIA has NO MORE EXCUSES to keep us hostages and to live in the status quo after all the challenges and tsunamis we have gone through.
      If the peace deal is inked two yrs ago,what is the rationale behind keeping us hostages as if the 20 yrs of suffering is not enough ?

      • Consolation

        Sultan,

        Don’t worry, once the TPLF is destroyed and the border is delimited, PIA’s mission to deliver to the Eritrean people an intact and whole Eritrea would be accomplished and he will retire in glory. People speak of the past 20 years as it was a time of luxury in Eritrea. Genuine Eritreans are convinced that had PIA not stood steadfast against the extraordinary odds, we would not have an Eritrea to speak of. Remember that all Weyane allied sell-out had one mission, the destruction of Eritrea. You should not be swayed by their crocodile tears.

        • NewDawn

          Selam consolation, you sound like a moron. Isaias would just find someone else or something that he can use to oppress the people after.

  • said

    Greetings
    Thank you Dr. Beyan, for your thoughtful article.
    Building New Eritrean community.
    I don’t know much about Self-Professed Historian and as IA supremist ,they are pursuing political projects that are mirror images of each other . IA brand of politics that succeeded to A Self-Professed Historian and IA supremist ,they are pursuing political projects that are mirror images of each other . IA brand of politics that succeeded to fuse religion in politics ,had quality and systematicityy succeeded and put in place religion back at the heart of Eritrean state but claiming to be secular and achieved his goal .IA in rejecting secularism .He introduced dived and rule ,Nehnan Almanan. Advocated his religious and cultural hegemony of his roots. IA played the identity card .As means of rallying support. ,I A was never religious person. IA played identity politics at the expense of Muslim Eritreans and also with it lost liberal universalism and democracy in Eritrea . Identity politics thrives on division and distinctions between good Christian and evil Muslim ,this is at core of his mission. And put Eritrea away from the traditions of harmony and peaceful coexistence and sharing power with Muslim Eritreans. IA was never a champion of religious pluralism. He is for himself . The student of Mao. IA was never religious person but he used it to his benefit . IA turned EPLF backs on secularism and IA never believed in a liberal values. The rise of dictator and the strongman, who claim to be protector of Christian faith , for his chosen ethnic group. Eritrean Orthodox Church was never a party to his mission. IA ruthless suppression of both religion speaks volume.

    More and more Eritrean are losing faith in demagogues and charlatans PFDJ institutions and ruling sectarian ideologies. Majority of Eritrean want democratic and rule-of-law-based governance system and to regain their dignity and build an open society. A new forms of inclusive government and new forms of inclusive power that serve the common good rather than IA and his minions .But discredited emerging sectarian arrogant elite will oppose this. These sectarian cults, already well established among followers IA and incites and the intoxicating sectarian view ,they breath and live in totally denial of civil liberties, hate monger and bigotry is normalized as the only form of propaganda and communication. They have no coherent ideology. They turn Christian morality upside down. In reality they are fanatical atheists , They suspend reason and thought, especially no self-critical thought is allowed . they appeal exclusively to irrational and illogical reason and emotions. These collective self-worship. sectarian demagogues sanctified IA and his followers claiming they were once upon a time righteous victims stalked by of elusive enemies .The failed sectarian state ,failed economically ,politically and social dysfunction, define the regime .

    All Eritrean opposition and dissidents, are defamed and attacked. They dominate social media, they peddle magical thinking and an infantilism that promises nothingness — IA and minions want only to pillage and looted the state , and as the social inequality will grow, Eritrean people had being thrown into misery and destitution The poor, the vulnerable, those who are Muslim and Christian not connected and affiliated to power are paying the heavy price .

    A new kind of perverted Eritrean Christian nationalism, will be offered up in a crisis to the god of death, a familiar form of human sacrifice that plagues sick IA and his cohort. Once these Eritrean enemies opposition are purged from the stat , for which most are .they are promised, they have glory, except they have delivered doom and gloom ,even one enemy after another is obliterated and IA will look for another takes its place. Crisis cults require a steady escalation of conflict internal and external .
    This is what made the war in the former Derge inevitable. The intoxication and addiction to greater and greater levels of violence to purge the Ethiopian ruling society of evil led to red terror We are not immune.

    Building New Eritrean community
    It turns I am sickened and annoyed with social media taking over life us ; who isn’t? Eritrean have a reference to their basic belief systems, and it is not altered by social media.
    Few Eritrean believe in classical liberalism, in the teaching Church which is all about the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, but NOT filtered through some kind fundamentalist doctrinaire of untutored so-called Christian ministers and as is a case Muslim ignorant and an lighted about their faith .Indeed, community simply it boils down to: We believe in the Golden Rule, the basic belief of every single religion on earth.
    Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. In short, to be good, one must do good. Good NEVER means hurting another person. Period. Say Amyen , Amen. Christian and Muslim strongly believe in giving generously and sharing of what we have. Both faith believe in fighting for the rights and justices of everyone, for their equality and rule of law health, and well-being .
    Both community is blessed thing–to do with help and to struggle for wellbeing for all
    And that, of course, is where our Eritrean society ,especially those who live in diaspora has failed so miserably.even those we times witness Community coming together. Community isn’t about all being one ethnic or one religion or even speaking the same language, as morons like IA/PFDJ want us to believe one the most criminal dictator in the history, he is a maniac figure, regime believe, in their profound arrogant ignorance, that the “community” they seek is not found in common religion, and ethnicity or regional proximity or the language one speaks of the same religion
    Eritrean Community is about shared values and good culture of giving and coming together . not shared in ethnicity and religion . It is about a shared approach to thinking about higher human common spiritual matters, not about belonging to a particular religion and sect. It is about love ,generosity and kindness, for how can one share goodness and shared values without consideration of another human’s status? It is about kind generosity; how can one stand by and watch others suffer from lack of basic food and basic medical care without doing something, even at some cost to one’s self if possible ?
    Eritrean Community, then, adhere that if my fellow Eritrean neighbor is in need and hungry, Eritrean Community will help and feed them . If my Christian or Muslim neighbor has urgent need of medical bill Community will pay for him and no place to live, Eritrean Community will offer him one or help him find and pay for one. And participate in any humanitarian efforts
    Obviously, we cannot do all of this on a personal level , Eritrean Community need organize themselves as national NGO serving the needy and doing so we generously donate to volunteer based Community ,help with food banks and services for those who need help and those who had to escape Eritrea , etc.
    Eritrean community is the pursuit of shared values regarding immaterial of one back ground ,ethnicity ,religion . education, and adhere equal rights for all
    It is time for serous discussion about Eritrean community in diaspora about who we are. It is time for it to be community a cross-cultural in every possible way. Muslims and Christians and inclusive of everyone…believing and enumerating to each other the golden rule, and following it.

  • Dongolo

    Howdy folks. Back in early 2008 Mesfin Hagos destroyed his credibility with many by giving an interview with Tigrai Online (Interview with Opposition Leader, Mesfin Hagos, by Woldu Mikael, Feb 28, 2008). Mesfin’s decision to now base himself in Mekele renders him incapable of leading anything in Eritrea. Just don’t get it why Eritrean ‘opposition’ has over the years believed that they can simply receive financial and other (to include military) support from the TPLF without knowing that it is a death blow to their credibility. I laud Mesfin for his role & achievements during the liberation struggle but his actions over the past 10 years are clearly injudicious. As far as Eritrean social media platforms go, unless they not only distance themselves from the TPLF but also openly criticize it, there simply ain’t no way in hell they they will garner necessary levels of trust to gain traction. Some 20 years lost to spinning wheels in mud and they still don’t seem to get it.

    • Abi

      Hello Dongolo
      You are always the most informed person around here. Keep them coming.

    • Sultan

      Well Dongolo:
      Aybezhendo?
      So,who should be the genuine opposition then?
      I thought my own EPDP, which included Gen Mesfin Hagos, would have the ideal alternative but the SCREWED UP thanks to the rotten Eritrean Political Culture.

      • mad mullah

        Hello Sultan,
        What is Mesfin Hagos qualification? Is the fight that he was a Gedli fighter the only criteria for his selection? After independence, what did he do? Did realize that he doesn’t have much skill running civil society and get additional education?
        From what I can see from some distance- he is just photocopy of Issias in terms of qualification and education?
        What does he know about civil society?
        I think we are still suffering from that illness of Gedhli as Savior…
        The Gedhli era is over… it is time we start looking at educated and young leaders to take the lead in Eritrean struggle… not another dinosaur with no qualification for civil society…

  • Dongolo

    Howdy folks. Social media at this stage is simply an ineffective platform for PIA/PFDJ opposition for it remains totally mistrusted. Foremost, most opposition social media platforms remain totally unwilling to either distance themselves from, or dare to criticize, the TPLF. Secondly, most opposition platforms have been heavily infiltrated by TPLF digitals. Exaggerating the status of Mesfin Hagos, with his TPLF overhauls, simply magnifies the mistrust.

  • mad mullah

    Hello Beyan,
    An interesting article. There was click-bait element to title and picture. I was expecting something on Mesfin Hagos another edition of the Eritrean theme of Gedhli as savior which after 50 years never seem to get old.

    You went after the fertile ground. Yes, we are in new terrain of social media with instant communication and instant publication with maximum potential reach. Anybody can have maximum reach with $100 dollar camera and microphone and something to say.
    Yes, it is followers that are measured not the content.

    This terrain you point out that more harm or detrimental things could be propagated instead of constructive messaging for a solid organized opposition to the regime.

    I think this is reflection of the hunger for a voice or direction among Eritrean. I think the reason why you have the self-professed historian and restless narrator is because Eritrean are hungry for hope and vision- are thirsty for “prophet” with a vision. These folks you are talking about are offering a distraction not necessarily a constructive vision. Can you blame Eritreans… there is saying “without a vision the people will perish”?

    People like the self-professed historian will appear no matter what condition the Eritrean or Eritrea is in. Even if we are new Rwanda of horn- the historian will appear. There appearance is not the problem. The problem is there is no strong constructive opposition or vision to place them in the margin.
    You said the historian is:
    “His expansive rhetoric reaches feverish pitch when he attempts to delve deep into the Tigrinya alphabets using psychological analysis of sexual variant which seems to parallel with the long-debunked theories of Freud”
    “As such he claims one can see in these Tigrinya alphabets a stickman and a stickwoman, quibbling them to sexual proclivities.”
    “A reputable historian worth his salt would not spend insurmountable time and effort divulging antiquated historical narratives without offering any references of his research or bothering to cite his sources.”
    “the self-professed historian’s interest is not to effect change in Eritrea but wishes to be seen as a unique historical figure, one who is enamored with what he is unearthing.”

    I don’t know where he got his degree from or about his qualification. Maybe he is new Eritrean Foucault working on his own version of “the archaeology of knowledge” …

    About your Restless Narrator
    “Geography is the destiny of Eritrea’s political and economic structure he is fond of saying and seems to be the principle by which he operates.”
    “His brand is equal opportunity character assassination.”
    “At other times, he reverts to one and only one group leading the Eritrea of the future based on linguistic identity.”
    “Doesn’t even hide his derision toward those who have higher education to whom he would have to appeal when his fantastical objective comes to a fruition.”

    I don’t know who this person is… but the Eritrean derision toward those who have higher education is cultural reflection of current Eritrean leadership. Eritrea is probably the only country with college drop as president. Also, I assume the cabinet is a bunch of old college drop outs. We live in Zemen Denqorocracy.

    One thing I don’t think your article was fair. You should have stated the name of the historian and restless narrator… maybe those folks want to defend themselves. We only have your version of the information so we are prejudiced in judging them. Your writing style reminds in way of Donald Levine theory on Ethiopian culture of Wax and Gold… when you want to attack the King you don’t do it directly. Your style is more passive aggressive.

    Overall, it is not bad to have so many voices from historian to narrator. That is something of democratic system. The idea that wins in that environment is generally the best idea. The group that have good leadership, solid vision, and capable team member will win. These two voices might end up been a footnotes.

    • Beyan

      Greetings mad mullah,

      Our continued fractures, an avid advocate for justice of yesteryear makes 180-degree flip to an opposite direction. Much like a clothing drier that rotates for a good half hour for a buck, where you hear the tumbling with a whole lot of hot air beating the wet clothes, we seem to aimlessly move back and forth until our brains are fried with nothing but hot air.

      As Ismail AA had also alluded to it, you are right the “hunger for a voice or direction” is visibly painful to watch. But why use the social media landscape to spew hot air. Talk to people you know first. The tried and true method would be far more effective. If the trusted friends who know these people tell them to not make fool of themselves, one hopes they would drop the unsavory ideas that they were about to share with the people they don’t know.

      As for Foucault’s caliber of philosophizing could conceivably be in the offing may the universe shield Eritrea from these types whose only goal is to stoke flames between Eritreans of one religious’ persuasion against another. One thing I agree with you on is the market of ideas has a way of disposing thoughts that have no merit to them. The only problem is these distractive ideas are helping to prolong the shelf-life of the regime in Eritrea. Let us collectively focus in ridding ourselves of the menace in our midst, thereafter, we can philosophize to our hearts content. Fighting for the future of a nation when the nation at the brink of extinction is nothing more a fool’s errand. Let democracy take a foothold first, then we can let our ideas ebb and flow. Afterall, progress comes as a result of critically evaluating, assessing, critiquing, debating, etc. I’m all for that. There needs to be a solid ground for some such ambiance to bloom. We are on a shaky ground and shaky grounds won’t hold the country together. It can crumble from beneath our feet.

      As for what you perceived as passive aggressive approach in my not mentioning the interlocutors I wrote about, it wasn’t akin to that of Levin’s wax and gold, the book I read a long time ago. It wasn’t that at all. I was trying to create generic agents whom anyone can identify with. They need not be specific ones. I was trying hard for the focus to be on the polluting ideas; those of us who follow some variants of social media personalities, we could easily I thought focus on the ideas that emanate from it. Alas, it’s not working the way I intended it.

      The point in a nutshell is this: Can we afford to advocate exclusivity of a religion to reign supreme in a multivocal, multiethnic, multi religious society? Can we afford to still believe that the center of Eritrea will always be the political nerve center and the power that be will always be those who are from that region? These were the questions that needs answering. The two unnamed personalities believe in the possibilities of these kinds of ideas. I just turned it into a question for now to remove the individuals from it.

  • Saleh Johar

    Ahlan Beyan,
    I think one sentence in your excellent article popped out, I think it was out of place and wrong:

    “… who considers himself to be from the opposition camp…”

    If someone even remotely claimed he’s part of the opposition camp I would understand, but why would you bestow that honor to someone who never subscribed to the gist of the struggle of “the opposition camp”, or never said he is part of it?

    • Sultan

      Selam Ya Ustazna:
      Bingo SGJ:

      Disclaimer:
      I am debating and expressing my naive opinion and giving a feedback here, no other intention and nothing personal is taken or given and forgive in advance my weak communinaction skills.

      No surprise by your comment above considering the non-improving and stagnant Eritrean Political Culture!

      While I respect your opinion as a regular Awatista commentator, not as a Public Figure,in my naive opinion, I would not have commented or opinionated the way you did above on and about Gen Mesfin Hagos.

      Warning:
      King Sultan( aka Sheik Sultan,a nick given to me by my X-Mentor/ Boss at the Catholic Boarding School coz of my “ Muslim First Name, Sultan), I have NO intention to instruct you to say things but expressing my opinion and feedback!

      Speaking of Gen Mesfin Hagos and his status in the Opposition Camp,while I will or might come up with a-10-page comment and evidence proving and confirming that he is better than any self-claimed /appointed Eri Opposition Groups or Figures, let me give you few examples proving that Gen Mesfin Hagos is the best and exemplary Independent-minded Opposition Figure, in my opinion and based on facts:

      -He has declared openly and publicly his opposition to the PIA and his Regime by going extra miles and to the EXTREME declaring that PIA is the WORST ENEMY of Eritrea

      -As such, he declared to have a Tactical and Strategic Alliance with his WORST ENEMY, the TPLF,for nothing else but to REMOVE the WORST ENEMY of ERITREA and ERITREANS and the worst enemy of same TPLF , which was his worst enemy ( TPLF being the worst enemy of Gen Mesfin Hagos and vice-versa), considering this bold and risk approach and decision to be for the best interest of Eritrea and Eriteans as the LAST RESORT!

      -He was one of the Founders of the Eri Opposition Parties and has been at the forefront for many years criticizing openly the Regime
      -He boldly attempted to compete against PIA during the election of the Assembly or Central Committee for a President and got 5% of the votes
      -Irrespective of the veracity of the allegation or info;and irrespective of his closeness to IA , it was alleged that he DEFIED the order of General Secretary of the EPLF, Mr.Isayas Afewerki ,to halt the historical Operation for the DEMISE of Nadew Command and he destroyed the strongest and well equipped mechanized army within 48 hrs.

      This defiance could be equated to the courageous DEFIANCE by our gallant EDF and its Commanders at the Aseb Front in 2000!

      Now, you might have more info than Shiek Sultan about Gen Mesfin for you to have made such a strong comment “ allegation” but I TRUST and RESPECT Gen Mesfin more than any one else irrespective of his weaknesses, sins and failures as a human being !

      After all,who are we to prescribe to others what kind of opposition to be , which opposition to join and how to oppose to the regime?

      Am kind of getting confused and disappointed by your recent remarks even though we have gone through such stuff in the past.

      Even if you are right or correct about Gen Mesfin Hagos , with all due respect to you,Sir:

      Do you really believe that such kind of approach and criticism are constructive?

      This reminds me what the so called Civil Rights Moguls of the Black Americans like Rev Al Sharpton and Rev Jackson said about President Barack Obama when they whispered to each other saying:
      “ He is not even part of us and our Civil Rights Movement” when Obama was campaigning for Presidency!

      Jealousy or power corruption ?

      Time to practice what we preach and for a Genuine Reconciliation !

      I thought Dr Beyyan has a right to express his opinion and feelings about others, way beyond saying” Who considers himself to be part of an Opposition Camp”!

      Dr Beyyan did not even directly say that Gen Mesfin Hagos is an Opposition Figure but he,in fact ,is not buying or endorsing the idea that Gen Mesfin is an Opposition Figure, which by default might imply that Dr Beyyan does not believe like SGJ does that Gen Mesfin is NOT an Opposition Figure!

      Uncle Tegadalai Arhe Hamednaka, the ERI-Swedish MP,at one point eloquently exposed Eritreans and our backward Political Culture by exposing some of the weaknesses and failures of our struggle against the regime .
      I will post the clip if I find it next week end!

      I am fully aware as to why Gen Mesfin Hagos distanced himself from the EPDP due to same dirty Eri Political culture of enda siwwa style gossip and innuendo labeling him as a spy of PIA or a double agent !

      With all due respect to you,Sir,I regret to say that your comment labeling Gen Mesfin as a non-opposition figure might sound closer to the above gossip.

      Mad Mullah has a point that Eritrea and we Eritreans NEED BADLY a” Generational Change” or a New Generation of /for Leadership !

      Just expressing my naive opinion and constructive feedback .

      Cheers,
      With utmost RESPECT!

      • Saleh Johar

        Sultan,
        Again, shaffig Ewur welid, I never commented about Mesfin Hagos. it’s your own imagination. Do you see how hasty you are?

        • Sultan

          Selam SGJ:
          Apologies then.
          I will edit it .

          • Saleh Johar

            Sultan,
            Pls don’t. You should own your mistake. You can explain you goofed in a different comment.

          • Sultan

            Selam SGJ:
            Thank you for the advice.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat SaleH
            Good advice.
            Sulatan,
            Wait a minute..aren’t you the same guy who was blaming Gen, Hagos in the last few consecutive days?
            Why are you keep flip-flopping here? What has changed since the last 3 or so days?

          • Abi

            MM
            I’m exceptionally good in detecting sarcasm and humor. Please tell me I miserably failed to detect your sarcasm in your comment above.
            እዋይ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            It is probably the Monday thing. Maybe one or few loose wires?

          • Abi

            Got it.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            No loose wires.

            If it’s a Hope-less case, it’s spread betting.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi,
            I don’t want you be left out in your territory:

            Paulos made an unusual comment. I asked him if Sultan is his neighbor. He swinger back and said, why don’t you ask me frankly if I live near Tsetserat.

            Tsetserat Is the equivalent of Amanuel hospital in Asmara

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Thank you for including me in my territory:)
            I was not sure whether Mr Mehandis was sarcastic or not when he asked King Sultan regarding his Flip Flopping behavior.
            My point is you can’t possibly put Sultan and flip flopping in the same sentence. They are interchangeable.
            The only constant thing about Sultan is his inconsistency.

            I already knew Paul escaped from ፀፀራት not too long ago. He has been saying unusual things recently.
            Don’t be hard on them. እብዶች ከተማ ያደምቃሉ::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Good one. That is really funny.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I got an old joke for you
            ሰውየው ይቀውስና ሃኪም ጋር ይሄዳል:: ሃኪሙም ጊዜ እንደሌለው ነገር ግን አንጎሉን ሃኪሙ ዘንድ ትቶ ከሄደ ጊዜ ሲያገኝ እንደሚያክመው ይነግረዋል:: በሽተኛውም በሃኪሙ ሃሳብ ይስማማና አንጎሉን ትቶ ይሄዳል:: ከአመታት በኇላ ሃኪሙና በሽተኛው መንገድ ላይ ይገናኛሉ
            ሃኪም : ” አንተ ምን ሆነህ ነው አንጎልህን መጥተህ የማትወስደው?”
            በሽተኛ: ” አንጎሌን አልፈልገውም የኢሠፓ አባል ሆኛለሁ::”

            በደርግ ጊዜ ምርጥ ቀልድ ነበር:: አሁን ጊዜ አልፎበታል:: የለዘዘ ቀልድ ማለት ይህ ነው::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Funny. Really funny. Now, I ask your permission to use it for Higdef–members.

          • Abi

            Paul
            እኔስ እፈቅድልህ ነበር ቲፒኤልኤፎች ለኛ ነው የሚገባው እንዳይሉህ ሰጋሁ እንጂ!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            That is the reason I can never hate you because of your charm. That is really good one. I think, you should take over and have Abiy retire of politics so that you can lead Ethiopia not with savviness of politics but by the magic of ሰምና ወረቅ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            አገር ማስተዳደር በሰምና ወርቅ ቢቻል ኖሮ አለቃ ገብረሃና ገዥ ይሆኑ ነበር::
            ሰምና ወርቅ ወንዝ አሻግሮ ድንበር መች ድንበር ያሰፋል?

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ሰምና ወርቅ ባያሰፋ ድንበር
            ያፈርሳል ተባለ ግድግዳ’ና ‘ጥር

            ለመሆኑ እኚህ ኣባ-ሃና የምንሊኩ ናቸው ወይስ የሃይሌ ሥላሴ? የዓወተው ሃና እንዳልሆኑ እርግጠኛ ነኝ።

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            ከወዳጄ እንዳታጣላኝ እንጂ የአዋተው ሃና ከአለቃ ጋር የሚመሳሰሉት በእድሜ ብቻ ነው::

          • Saleh Johar

            ራስ ዓቢ
            ወዳጅህ የሚጣላህ ይመስለኝም :: ስምምነት ብናደርግ ምን ይመስለሃል?
            እሰይ እንኳን እሺ ኣልክ

            1- ኣንድ የማይንካ ኤርትራዊ ልምረጥ ኣንተ ደግም : ይሁን : ኣራት የማይንኩ ኢትዯጽያውያን ምረጥ : ጃንሆይ የለለባቸው 1:4 ከፍትሃዊ በላይ ነው:::

            የኛው ዓዋተ ብቻ ሌሎች እንደልብህ
            ኣንት ግን እንደሚከብደህ ኣቃለሁ ከዝያ ምድረ ስዩመ እግዝኣብሔር ኣራት መምረጥ ያስቸግራል ግን ሞክር:-)

            ተስማማን?

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            “እሺ ይበልጣል ከሺ ” ይባላል::
            የሰላም ጥሪዎትን አክብሬ :
            አዋተን ብጠላም አምርሬ
            ስላለሁ በቤቱ ተከብሬ
            እሱን ላልነካ በቀዬው ባድባሩ
            ኣሁን ሰላም ይስፈን በምድሩ

            “Of Kings and Bandits “ ቢልም መፅሃፉ
            ራሥ አቢ ሽፍታውን አይገስፁ!
            አቶ ሳልህ ንጉሱን አይፀየፉ!
            ሰላም ሰፍኗል ከአፅናፍ እስካፅናፉ!
            እኛ ተስማምተናል በሰላም ይረፉ::

          • Haile S.

            ሳልህና ጀታው እንደምን ኣደሩ፡

            ወይኔ! ሁለታችሁ ጐን-ለጐን ቆማችሁ ስታምሩ!
            ኣሁን ስዑዲ መሄዳችሁ ነው ፊርማ ልታኖሩ ?

          • Abi

            መምህር
            የማይተማመን ባልንጀራ በየወንዙ ይማማላል እንደሚባለው እኛም ከሳዑዲ መልስ ወደ ዱባይ እናቀናለን ለተጨማሪ ፊርማ…

          • Sultan

            Abi:
            The best and the most penetrating/ piercing /well deserved Ashmur style hit back .
            King Sultan is ok with your “ attacks” and you are permitted to do so provided you keep quite about his hard-earned credentials since you didn’t give them to him but earned them with / thru his “sweats and blood” after 22 years of schooling.
            I admit that you could have been the most fav Awatista by both Ethiopians-and Eritreans, provided you stick to a respectful and genuine debate focusing on a peaceful Coexistence of both Independent and Sovereign Nations.
            You should have been a Bridge of Peace to both nations considering the origin of the First Lady!

            Just put to rest this 60 years old history of this and that and forget the sarcasm about the Aseb thing since some Eritreans here might not understand your sarcasm and teasing and can take your jokes and sarcasm seriously .

            Both sisterly nations and brotherly people have tones of natural resources , which can take care of the entire Africa ,not just both nations and their respective peoples.
            The economic integration will handle this easily and the political integration shall follow suit through mother nature’s way through the Will and the wish of the stakeholders if it is inevitable.
            Some of us hoped, into iOS tes and envisioned after 30 years of peaceful coexistence and mutual cooperation, both nations could have achieved by now the initial
            Phase of Integration, the “Economic Integration”!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            You killing me here, Abi
            I should have known the main item here: if Sultan = inconsistence, that’s normal!
            It is time for FMW upgrade before the calibration date is expired.

          • Saleh Johar

            Mehandis, don’t forget the Aby craze—judging from how they defended him you would think he is their Abalgge

          • Sultan

            SGJ:
            Defending Dr AAA is worth doing so and better than defending the TPLF!

          • Sultan

            MM:
            Read what I wrote.
            My stand on Gen Mesfin is same and consistent!
            Post them if any otherwise.

          • Sultan

            SGJ:
            Please, be so kind to STOP your usual misplaced Bravado, Abuse of Power, Threats and bullying!
            Being “ The Editor or “ The Moderator” does not entitle you to do so.

            You either ACCEPT my genuine and public apology for my innocent and overlooked mistake and move on or retract your bullying and threats.

          • Saleh Johar

            Sultan,
            I have been abused by you for years. I was so patient but can’t be that was a indefinitely. Many here remember I appleled to you stop harassing me , many times. I even pleaded to you not to engage with me to avoid unnecessary squabbles. You never left me alone.

            On the public side, you good so much because your aim seems to distract and attack therefore you do not check what you type.

            Believe me, I do not use any of the “piower” you imagine. I could block you forever but you should ask yourself why I do not do it and have to tolerate your abuse. That is because I have no enemy except the tormentors of Eritreans and their collaborators. And no one ever curtailed your rights I. This forum despite the countless violations, distractions, encouraging ganging up—-all the manners that this forum is there to fight.

            Finally, please do not engage with me unless you have to. I am at a disadvantage because I have to help resolve issues not be part of them. And most of you, I hope, can testify me or my colleagues stayed true to our principles of welcoming everybody regardless of their background. For that we need your help and cooperation not hindrance. You are welcome my friend because this is already painful to me. Help me out by respecting the rules of the forum and everything will be fine. As for yesterday’s incident, you pushed me too much and I am human. That in so many years happens even to a winged angle.

            As far as I am concerned, it’s the vet

            Your brother Saleh

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother SGL,

            I was also wondering …..you are appreciated for the same and this shows to how much you care for this continuous none stop struggle…Blaming you will make more strong and please continue with manner..

            KS..

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Abu Salah,

          I am glad you retrieve his original comment to hold him accountable. But then, that is why they are behind pen names to avoid accountabilities. Good job, my dear.

          • Sultan

            Selam Ato Aman:
            Kab BehaliUs degamiU’!
            I would have expected some decency and honesty from an Intellectual and Professional.
            If I were in your position, the following would have been my answer to SGJ and his dictator style bullying and threats:
            “ Well, Sultan( real mane)admitted his mistake and apologized public ally and offered to correct his comment by editing it and you/ the Moderator should have honored it since we all do mistakes and edit our mistakes”!
            You are fully aware that the mistake was an innocent one irrespective of commenters real or fake ID.
            Granted, Sultan is my real name and you knew it as SGJ did.
            Why should not I be allowed to edit my comments as you all do?

            Editing includes deleting erroneous statements .

            Plus, there is nothing wrong in the comment to make me “ accountable”for other than being mistakenly addressed and later corrected with an apology?
            It is only a big deal only coz Sultan is a PFDJ Apologist!

            So, what is all these FUSS and bravado about?
            It is only fair to use our brain and intellect properly .

      • Sultan

        Mod:
        Your point?
        I declared saying:” Sorry,I will edit it” but you are misquoting “ the writer “ as if he is dishonest!
        You just CONFIRMED your DISHONESTY by discrediting the honesty of the writer.

        • Sultan

          Mod:
          Another dishonesty and discrimination!
          Where were when King Sultan and co.were being attacked right and left?
          I didn’t attack any one but criticized …

    • Beyan

      merHaba Saleh,

      I thought it was odd in one of his voluminous volumes he uttered something about standing up to the isaias regime, what have you, which I thought was the mother of all ironies. The “camp” part following the “opposition” might be a bit misplaced, but he certainly believes himself to be against the regime in Eritrea. It’s in that sense I thought of framing it the way I did. I totally see your point though. Hope this clarifies it.

      • Saleh Johar

        No Beyan,
        He only opposes Isaias because he believes Isaias betrayed the goal ( you know the goal) of his likes. But it will cruel of me to ask you go through that madness to find it 🙂

        • Beyan

          merHaba Saleh,

          I wouldn’t subject you something I would never bother to do. We just have to support one another’s memory bank and rely on it. You’re right, many oppose Isaias not on principle but on whatever fantastical dreams about the future of Eritrea they had turning out to be a nightmare.

  • Brhan

    Thank you Dr. Beyan,

    The article presented the subject by drawing paralel lines from Eritrea and the US expriences. This does not mean that we have exact expriences. With regard to a point the article brought to discussion is the social media and its effects to the public. Our publics are different. That of the US is more educated than us and comparing to getting information , the public in the US has more indpedent, authentic and credible sources which will help in taking the correct decision to his or her reaction to a social media message. Apply that to our exprience , you will get the opposites. When I used to meet friends at coffee houses, some complain about the hate inciter Eritreans in the social media. I was interested to see how that affected their mood and always relate it to their degree of education. The more they are educated the less their affected negatively by the messgaes they see. And I ask them , why do they have to see and they say what then they can do in their spare time. Then I told them why do not you see credible soureces and I give them as an example Negarit. But I think we have to encourage our people to be educated and be educated, including us.
    I love the word ደቂ ሕድርትና ….have you seen the “the self-professed historian, jounalist and etc,” give a speech in a public. They will always remain in their tube.
    I attend the events of the opposition conducted by the civic and political groups, the environment there is about unity in diversity, tollerance and love.

    Thanks, again

    • Beyan

      Selam Brhan,

      I believe our challenges in terms of how we discuss issues continue to problematic, in my humble opinion, because we come from a society that resorts to orality, stories told and are passed on for generations. That tendency to depend on anecdotal stories and taking that as our primary source to arrive at generalities is our folly. Saleh’s recent Negarit 95 hits it spot on. I see it in my circle of friends as well. We get into casual conversations, suddenly two friends get into heated debate over an issue as benign as some date, event, or anything that could be verified by a quick visit to Mr. Google, which will straighten the story right away. But, because we focus in proving the other so badly that we forget there is an unbiased arbiter, such as googling the info. But, we are creatures of habit, eventually, we will overcome it.

      As for the parallel I was drawing between the First World and our Third World, it was not necessarily to equate them but to simply point out that we can learn a great deal from them, that was my only purpose fro bringing it.

  • Haile S.

    Selam Beyan,

    Although away from Awate for some time, you weren’t from the Eritrean scene. In fact you seem to have been absorbed into what is ailing us trying to grab any tangible horn. Based on the eritrean media spectrum, which you talked of the most noisy & divisive ones, we are truly dispersed to the delight of the regime. Away from home and away from each other, hammering on each other than the regime. Instead of talking what brings us together and repair the damaged bridges between us, we talk of other bridges sending ourselves eons and generations away to come back to the original place wandering why the internal bridge is still damaged.

    On our historian of the Boulevard, he definitely read a lot. The damaging parts of his presentation are his speculations that creates mountains that separate us from the the little mounds he claims to have discovered from his readings. Self serving eureka(s) that are divisive, exclusionary are not what our country needs. What he said about Hajji Mussa on his 61 volume is inacceptable and condemnable.

    On those who use every instrument to assassinate characters instead ideas, it is like fighting lawlessness with lawlessness, not a good example for a country that acutely suffers from it. Is every instrument good to fight injustice? Perhaps yes, but based on what we see it also is damaging us by depriving us trust on each other to take a cohesive action as you aptly said.

    Thank you for the right call and look forward to reading the next instalment.

    • Brhan

      Selam Haile S,
      Do you advise a guy like me to see the volumes? If you believe in what Dr. Bryan described him as “Self-professed historian” , it makes me that he is not talking scientifically. But have you found any merit in what he have said so far?

      • Haile S.

        Selam Berhan,

        My answer to you is it depends from where you want to listen to him. If you are looking to learn history that is critically presented and weighed then No. If you are a historian or someone interested to know alternative narrative in how individuals see history from their own perspective, then Yes. The person knows a lot about local church and monastery history and he sounds he read the usual writers and historians of the region, but he doesn’t entertain or cite published references as if he completely discounts the published narratives. And he expresses his disdain for those materials in one of his presentations.

    • A.Osman

      Selam Haile S.

      Thank you for the hint, was Mr Bokre on a break or is it that I did not follow him like before.
      I checked episode 61, I must say I was lucky enough to jump and start close to where the point on Haji Musa starts (22mins)….but I did not understand his objection to the title of Haji or Sheikh as both do not necessarily mean a religious leader, the first being used for someone who did Haj pilgrimage and the latter can be used for an old person or a learned person and is an appropriate title….saying Shiekh Bokre sounds strange, but it is as good as Aboy Bokre. Then he laments about Haj Mussa being in par with the Patriarch Antoninus, which is the first time that I hear of such comparison…the man is loosing it. When known prisoners are shown in protests, is it at the expense of others whose suffering may be more deserving of highlight? I will have to listen to the whole video, in case by jumping, I have missed out something that makes his take logical even if not agreeable.

      It is clear Mr Bokre, does not know Haj Mussa’s past from his presentation and I am not even sure if he watched or understood his final taped speech. Pity.

      Regards
      AOsman

    • Beyan

      Selam Haile,
      Well said. Nothing to add here other than to say, I hear you loud and clear. Of course to thank you for your apt observations.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Beyan,

    It’s pleasure to welcome you once more. Not as a fellow participant who has been missed, but as a writer who comes to this forum with multiple level discourses all intrinsically (artistically) woven in one piece: informative current affairs, linguistics and socio-cultural concepts simplified. A keen fellow in this forum can certainly benefit from such highly versatile writers – who unfortunately are not so many.

    As we are promised this piece is one installment out of two or more. Formulating opinion on a theme(s) in process of evolving might be a bit hasty venture. Nevertheless, this installment has come with matters sufficiently tackled.The role of social media as new playing field of Eritrea’s activism, and the rather chaotic condition that reigns out there, have been quite ably articulated. As noted, how to streamline and harness such myriad “expertises” that spread from sheer stupidity and potentially usable ideas would be near impossible enterprise. It is, thus, a challenging feat to stir the opportunities the social media provides into sensible collective nation-serving program and credible above petty contradictions leadership.

    It is, therefore, within such conditions and contexts that the title question of this article should be discussed, which has been built on the contribution of historic personality, the late John R. Lewis, and the rightful recognition of Congress Speaker, N. Pelosi. Now, the question that pops up in mind is: can I as proude patriot raise my head and declare with unambiguous demeanor “One Country, One Destiny” that time needs me to submit to Mesfen Hagos, or anyone like him? Lest some may misread what I am saying, the question is have we brought our country to that stage given the unenviable experience we have been passing through at least in the past two decades and more after the liberation of our land.

    About Mesfin Hagos as an already well known personality, who has played his role fully (good or bad) as a loyal servant of a political group and its leader, and that produced the national disaster we have lived to witness, is still awaiting closure of that part of our history. But, having stated that, however, a nation that finds itself in the current situation as our own a unifying leader or leadership is more than crucial. In fact, one of our failure as a nation was, and still is, not been (being) able to produce such a national leader or leadership thanks to our parochial nature of our politics.Those we had have proven disastrous due to multifaceted weaknesses, and one among them became a devil incarnate. So, it is going to be a still to be fulfilled national mission to search and find a leader who can be trusted and say: follow me! I am raising the a banner: One Country, One Destiny.

    • Beyan

      merHaba Ismail,

      Your confidence building introductions before you raise the issues you wish to address, I find very comforting. Your preemptive, in other words, disarms your interlocutor, whatever you proceed to state thereafter lands softly. It’s a unique trait that I find appealing, make that very appealing.

      Indeed, you zeroed in precisely to the central point I tried to address using the extreme cases to the extent possible as Haile also astutely observed. Ostensibly, the two characters were my case study, you know, my entry point to the social media landscape. You haven’t transgressed anything that wasn’t addressed in my first piece.

      Additionally, your take on Mesfin Hagos is giving me some ideas that I will include in the third installment, which will exclusively be about how successfully he maybe able to pull it off. I can safely say here for now that majority of Eritreans who have been actors in the struggle – it’s certain they would have erred; one hopes they weren’t so deliberately egregious that the Eritrean people wouldn’t forgive him for. In this regard, Mesfin Hagos’s answers were to the point. Paraphrasing here: For someone who has been intimately involved in Eritrea’s struggle for independence, I believe he said for fifty years, there will be mistakes. But he was alluding to the fact that his conscience is clear that he didn’t commit any crimes. But added, he could’ve made mistakes that he wasn’t aware of, which is a likely scenario. In such cases he said, at the behest of Eritrean people he would be forced to face the court of law.

      The last paragraph in which you bring up the unfinished business of Eritrea’s ghedli history is granted to be a unbridled one, as such it must be handled with refined diplomatic intricacies, it will need our collective wisdom so we may genuinely grapple and arrive at a workable reconciliation. Reconciliation that emanates from within the recess of our collective hearts and not as a political tool to manipulate the public or advantage one segment of our society while it disadvantages another. It needs to be something that will serve all Eritreans from that point-on to eternity, at least, that’s my hope.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Beyan,

    Good to see you back, and thank you for treating us with this piece, calling to fight under the slogan “one country one destiny.” However, you make me lost on this particular – a “self-professed historian”- wondering as who will be this person, and yet unable to identify him. When we are on an open fight, political fight as such, with such individuals, as you described him and his action, wouldn’t it appropriate to know this individual in full disclosure for us, justice seekers? Or are we going to know him in the following installments, you are promising to us?

    Regards

    • Brhan

      Selam Ustaz Amanuel,
      I think you agree with me that we are noticing in the mainstream media, that those who incite hate are not mentioned by their names. Those who incite hate have evil goals, and among them is that their names appear in the media. But the mainstram media is not giving them that chance at all. It is discrediting them. I understand Beyan’s reason in this prespective. And, if you look they are there in social media and “self-professed, historian, journalist and etc, is an appropriate name for them.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Merhaba Brhan,

        So they are ghosts of self-professed historians. I don’t have a problem to call them “self-professed historians”. In fact I was eager to know them if they are real person who don’t scare of their opinions. That is all.

        Regard

        • Brhan

          Merhaba Ustaz Amanuel
          I have asked Haile S ( who mentioned that he saw volume 61) if there is a merit in what the ” self-professed historian’ says. I always try to read, see and listen people who discuss issuees scientifically.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Prof. Emma,
          After long sabbatical leave, Dr. Beyan may have added another language to his long list of success: ናይ ልሳን ዘረባ [no offense Dr.] 🙂
          I was thinking he did it deliberately…well, we are waiting and it is working!

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Mr. Amanuel Hidrat,

      I think Professor Beyan is using “self-professed historian” in this case as a placeholder for someone who is shortsighted and contributes in diminishing an otherwise his/her proud collective history. Such a person singles out either an individual, an event, or action and attempts to use it to undermine an idea or a group.

      I actually have two good examples:
      1) Awate was shifta.
      2) George Washington owned slaves.

      • Paulos

        Fantination,

        Awate was shifta who raided the Kunamas and Baryas for months and months. And it is equally true that not only George Washington was a slave owner but he had slaves’ teeth implanted for his old age teeth lose.

        Now, imagine being a Kunama or Barya and equally African American, how would you read history? I would assume that it would be incredibly difficult for you to see the positive legacy both Awate and Washington left behind in the making of their respective nations. Of any interest and relevance, one can see King Hailesellasie with the same prism when people for a valid reason condemn him for what he did particularly to Eritreans in the Lawlands in the late 60s and early 70s but equally one would be intellectually hard pressed to recognize his positive legacies as well. And I believe that amounts to intellectual honesty and integrity.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Paulos,
          Take note of Fanti’s statement, “Such a person singles out either an individual, an event, or action and attempts to use it to undermine an idea or a group.”

          Allow me to debate with you on this one. Please explain how you arrived at the claim that “awate was shifta who raided the Kunamas and Baryas for months and months.” And we will take it from there.

          But if :
          “one can see King Hailesellasie with the same prism when people for a valid reason condemn him for what he did particularly to Eritreans in the Lawlands in the late 60s and early 70s but equally one would be intellectually hard pressed to recognize his positive legacies as well.”

          Also, some of us argue our points not our adversaries’ points. But if one chooses to act like a judge, all powers to them. Disclaimer, I am not a judge, I have a case and i will argue it. I think some insensitivities cannot be excused because of the ‘intellectual integrity” claim; moral integrity supersedes that. And I do not believe anyone who attacks Awate does it for intellectual satisfaction. However one tried to cramoflgue it, one cannot gloss over its political nature–or at least its prejudiced nature. Maybe future generations will have the luxury of treating it in a detached intellectual way.

          NB: there are many things that cannot be said in defense of Awate or why he is targeted, but if need be, why not.

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            That is precisely my point. Why do we have to be overly sensitive when the historical figures we hold dear are seen in a negative light based on facts of history? Mind you, when one says Awate was shifta, it is not a pejorative term when it is seen with in the contemporary indignation people exuded when they were wronged. Awate rebelled when the land that belonged to him was confiscated by the British. He rebelled. He was shifta! It is equally a historical account that he raided the Kunamas and Baryas. One can not dispute that.

            As for the King, why is it a taboo to talk about what he did for Eritreans–when the Federal government positions were occupied by Eritreans second to Shoans among other things including sending them abroad for higher education.

          • Saleh Johar

            Paulos,

            1. Please correct your understanding of the word Shifta–it means a rebel, not a bandit. But when it is used against Awate, it means a bandit. It’s prejudiced.

            2. There was always cattle rustling in the region in question, starting from the days of alula and the princes. Bandits of the region were involved in cattle rustling but under the the governors of the time, you know whose side they armed and supported and whom they victimized. I don’t think I need to spell it out here. The government supported bandits were dispatched to just rustle cattle for obvious reasons–to weaken and drive away those they considered were standing in the way of confiscating grazing lands for their proteges. Awate was the regions hero and protected his people and yes, was involved in battles to do that.

            3. Before mentioning the Baria, please ask Awate’s relation with the Baria. I do not need to say more.

            4. The timing is suspicious, we are days away from the commemoration of Awate Day, and there must be someone keeping watch for September1 for the next cycle of defamation. it has become a trend.

            5. I believe, and have concrete evidence, that the target is not Awate, but his legacy–it’s just trying to discredit the Eritrean struggle for self determination and its partisan, bigoted and targeted.

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            For both rebel and bandit, we use ሽፍታ. We say so and so ሸፊቱ not so much for robbing people but as a sign of indignation. As for number 4 and 5– I never thought it would come from you. You know me well by now that I never had ulterior motives when I am sincerely and equally exited to join you in celebration of the remarkable milestone.

          • Saleh Johar

            Why is everybody so touchy!
            Paulos, it’s a general comment simply because I do not want to list the names. My God! If I wanted to say something to you, belive me I will not hesitate to say it. Are you neighbors with Sultan or what:-) did you see his page long comment admonishing me for something I didn’t say? Use Namusiaa and protect yourself against the bug. I am angry at this wanton attack but it was my frustration that you misplaced. Don’t do that again, I have the ruler, show me you palms:-)

          • Paulos

            Aya Saleh,

            ካብ ስልጣን ጎረቤትካ ድዩ ትብለኒ ኣግህድ ኣቢልካ ጥቓ ጸጸራት ድዩ ገዛኻ ዘይትብለኒ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ላዕሊ ማስያ, ዶተረ
            ጸጸራት ኳ መቓብር ሓርበኛታት ዩ ኴኑ።
            ናብ ቪላጆ ገጽካ ውረድ 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            መሃንድስ, ጳውሎ ስ ቀቲልዋ ሎሚ:: አነ ድማ ሰሓቅ የድልየኒ እንድዩ ጸኒሑ: ክርትም ኢለ:: ኣይትሳኣኑ ደቂ ዓደይ:: እንዳተበራረኻ ገርኩማ– ሓደኹም የሕርቀካ ሓደኹም የስሕቀካ:: 1 – 1: ፓረጂ ወጺአ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selmat SaleH
            ፓረጂ: ኣይነበረካ ኣይጠፈኣካ! Zero is a beautiful thing!
            ከይነእርገካ ግን ጥንቅቕ በል።

          • Beyan

            Selam Saleh,

            For an outsider looking in, this was uproariously made for laughter. They made my night, that’s for sure.

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ሸተት ኢላህኒ’ላ ማለት’ዩ ከም ቀደሙ እንዳ ጽሉላት ዘሎ መሲሉኒ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Funny as ever, Doterre!

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            ሸተት ብዝብል ሓደ ቐልዲ ኣስታዊስካኒ። ሓደ ሰብኣይ ናብ ርሑቕ ቦታ እንዳኸዱ ኣብ መንገዲ ይመስዮም እሞ ብሩሑቕ ሓዊ ይርእዩ፤ ናፍታ ሓዊ ዘለታ ገዛ ኸይዶም ይዳመጹ/ይጽውዑ፤ ሰላም ከመይ ውዒልኩም፤ ደኺማትንስ ኣብዚኣ’ዶ ንእሽተይ ግድም ክብል ይብሉ፤ ብኣጋጣሚ ኾይኑ በይነን ዝነብራ ሰብይቲ እየን ነይረን፤ ካውኡ ንሰን’ውን ጥዕምቲ እየን ነይርን ጸገም የብሉን ኣብዛ መሬት ማእሲ ከንጽፈሎም ይብለኦም፤ እሺ ኢሎም ኣብ መሬት ይድቅሱ፤ ንሰን ድማ ኣፍታ ናይባዕለን መደብ ይድቅሳ። ፍርቂ ለይቲ ምስኮነ ሰብኣይ ተሲኦም ናፊቲ መደብ ይወጹ፤ ሰብይቲ እንዳሰምዓ ስቕ ይበላ፤ ኩሉ ነገር ምስተወደአ ተሲኦም ክኸዱ ብኢዶም ይትሓዙ፤ እተን ሰብይቲ ከመይ ኢሎም መጺኦም ናብዚ መደብ? ኢለን ይሓታ፤ እቶም ሰብኣይ ድማ ሸተት ኢለ ወዲቐ ይብሉ፤ ዋእ እሞ ደጊሞም ይውደቑ በላ ይብሃል። ካብ መሬት ናብ መደብ ሸተት ኢልካ ዝውደቕ እንተኾይኑ ጽቡቕ ሸተት እዩ።

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            That is really funny. Thanks for the laugh.

          • Beyan

            Selam Muhandis,
            Updated rebuttal that shows Paulos’s info might be outdated done with humor for equal measure.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Dr. Beyan,
            It seems our MD [genius that is] need some SW upgrade to catch up with hgdf govt’s zoning change 🙂

          • Sultan

            Ya Muhandis:
            Please, do not try to be more Catholic than the Pope.
            It is King Sultan here who publicly criticized the Regime and deplored its evil acts ;and even condemned the Regime in question , including in front of the PFDJ Officials
            But since Sultan criticized the other enemies of Eritrea and Eritreans equally and did not oppose the PFDJ Regime in MM’s way , Sultan should be a PFDJ Apologist ; another fallacious logic.

          • Sultan

            Doc:
            I know one thing for SURE !
            I can treat well those in Tsetserat and its neighborhood including those in Villagio and Paradiso.

          • Beyan

            Selam Paulos,

            Witticism at its best!

          • Sultan

            Selam Paulos and MM:
            So,any one who does not buy your politics, is what now?
            Paulos:
            You are a PhD holder but your logic is super FALLACIOUS! Here is why:
            Paulos clamped:
            “Since Janhoy put few privileged highlanders and Christians in govt offices and positions ( for very obvious political reasons, not for the interest of Eritrea and Eritreans),he should be credited and considered as a compassionate king towards Eritreans”!
            That is the dumbest and worst FALLACIOUS logic I have ever read!
            I don’t blame you since you and your families were the few beneficiaries of the system.
            So what is the difference between you and the chauvinist and Derghinist Abi then?
            Let me quote Abi”
            “ Yegodda biressa Yetegodda (ghin fetsimo)Ayressam “!
            You know better Clinical Statistics and Statistical Significance in its scientific sense!
            The population size matters.
            Dr Tony Fauci called the Hydroxy-chloroquine study claiming its efficacy on COVID-19,a FLAWED one when he testified to/in the Congress!

            You are fully aware about randomized cohort studies .

            Both you and Guad Abi hold high degrees besides doing basic and high profile Researches and yet, you discredit what u learned at higher institutions when it comes to the case of Eritrea and Eritreans !

            In the worlds and the science of Dr Paulos and Guad Abi,since 5-10 Eritreans were in govt offices and few hundred Eritreans went to Colleges( well deservedly though, not thru an Affirmative Action),the unheard of atrocities on the millions of poor Eritreans should be justified!

            Fallacious Logic at its WORST !

            Hypocrisy at its “ BEST”!
            I just brought the analogy for the sake of it only since there is no need of even applying researches and static’s on the atrocities Eritreans have gone through!

            MM:
            I stand firm on my consistent and staunch support of Gen Mesfin Hagos .
            I posted the news about his new Alliance with TPLF for a debate .
            Post my inconsistency otherwise.
            Re-read my comment above to SGJ again.
            Calling the spade a spade and criticizing and the same time giving credit when well deserved, does not make one inconsistent.

            Am not a Politician to have a blind partisan position!

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            You mentioned my name 4 times.
            የጤና ነው? ፀፀረት ቦታ እናፈላልግልህ ?

          • Sultan

            Guaddu:
            You should rather appreciate King Sultan for quoting you as a “Reference” and as a “Consultant”.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            It is also taboo for Ethiopians to talk about the good things Haile Selassie did for Ethiopia. Or Meles for that matter. Or Issayas for Eritrea. Because their dictatorial tendencies overshadow their legacies.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            I can tell you with confidence that there is absolutely nothing that Isaias did for Eritrea. Not a single thing! Please don’t tell me that Isaias played a key role in the struggle for independence when the truth is that it was the dead and wounded who made the objective a reality. In fact, Isaias is bitter Eritrea got her independence. I would also argue that history is fair to Mengistu if one is to use that kind of index to measure a legacy.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Now you see the blind corners where pure logic ends up. But I am curious what happened to “intellectual integrity is my goal” blah blah? So predictable.

          • Dongolo

            Paulos. You were certainly old enough to have joined the EPLF (or the TPLF for that matter) back in the late 80s, but you chose not to. Now you wish to serve as an expert authoritative voice on PIA’s liberation struggle role? Please give it a break. Even Mesfin Hagos acknowledges and will not criticize PIA’s role during the liberation struggle for his criticism centers on PIA’s behavior in the post liberation era.

          • Paulos

            BS!

          • Dongolo

            Paulos. You forgot your salutation & I know that you were old enough.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            If the cause of our struggle was for self-determination of our people, and if Issayas goal was(a) to establish the axumite rule (b) As he told to his colleagues his ambition was to form a joint government with TPLF in Ethiopia (refer Mesfun’ interview), then he had nothing a role for the cause of Eritreans. Imagine this two signals were in 1981 and 1991 respectively. Add to it, all his remarks he did with the rookie politician Ethiopian leader, who has no clue as to how to solve the Ethiopian internal crises, the guy was working his entire career against the aspiration of Eritreans. Just think about it, all the kind of role he was playing inside the Eritrean politics. He was using the “Eritrean cause” and “Eritrean people“ as a ladder to his ambition to be the Ethiopian leader.

          • Nitricc

            Dongolo; With out the absolute leadership of PIA; the Eritrean revolution for the independence could have easily become the todays OLF and the rest of the Oromo story. Eritrea’s needed a leader just exactly what was needed, PIA. So, People can say whatever but only the fool once who reject this fact. The man did his job superbly.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Aligaz G,

            It might be a taboo for some Ethiopians not to acknowledge the positive contributions say, Haile Selassie or Meles made to the overall well being of Ethiopia.
            That aspect of people’s behavior does not cancel what these leaders accomplished in their time. Did the country move to the noticeable good during their tenure.
            There is a record for eternity. The current political climate might distort the clarity of the view, just the same it is there.

            I acknowledged Mengistu for a couple of his accomplishments for Ethiopia, even though I have deep dislike for his numerous evil deeds and stupidity.
            I admire Haile Selassie and Meles for their stellar contributions to the well being of their people. Neither man was perfect, far from it, that is not the standard. Everyone, including me use our own conscious metrics to measure their positives and negatives for a period of time to give them good or bad grades.

            There is sometimes a tipping point for these leaders who come to the forefront by consensus or the shifta route. It is the nature and gravity of their cumulative actions. My personal assessment of Mengistu like many others, changed when he crossed the line by his summery executions of his perceived enemies by the thousands. He couldn’t see any other alternative. The carnage left behind was evil, a lot of good people who could have made a difference were lost.

            As an observer, speaking of tipping point for me on PIA, irrespective of all the bad competing actions, was the arrest and hauling of the wife of one of his partners to the dungeon after he conned her to come back to Asmara. Her young kids waiting at the airport didn’t have a chance to see her.
            That kind of deranged mindset, forget leaders, any human being earns him the title of an evil person. The jails of the world are full of it.

            Awate, I will leave that alone to those with ample information. I met him at this site.

            Mr. K.H

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            First, the very basis of integrity is consistency. In other words we cannot excuse or defend or jump over the sins or even explicate the moral failings from our side even in the interest of winning an argument. Our conscience serves not only as judge but also prosecutor, advocate and jury simultaneously and arrives at a morally acceptable verdict. And this process by definition is a deliberative or intellectual process.

            Second, there are many accusations about Awate’s activities against the Kunama during his shifta period. Are these accusations new to you?

            Third, it is my suspicion that the true history of the man Awate has not been presented. Do you have a source or sources to recommend?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Aligaz,

            Do you know the source of the allegations, at least those who carried it throughout the struggle era? In my earlier comment I explained the history of the tribal conflict of the time–it was about land, cattle rustling, etc. In the 1960s, Haile Sellassie regime recruited thousands of Eritreans (on religious bases) to be used against the Eritrean Liberation forces, a perfect divide and rule strategy that we are still suffering from. While the other Eritreans soon switched sides and many of them died fighting for the Eritreans cause, a few of the Kunama refused to abandon the Derg and kept fighting until the last battles–they all escaped with the defeated Derg. And they spearheaded the attack that you are quoting as “here are many accusations about Awate’s activities against the Kunama during his shifta period.” In reality, the region was lawless for a long period and the the able bodied took it upon themselves to defend their respective people. I suggest you see it from that perspective, the fantastic stories you hear are are not tenable.

            The history of Awate is written all over the place. But your best reference is a book by Haileselassie Woldu–look it up.
            This might help you understand some more about Awate…http://awate.com/finally-vindication/

          • Haile S.

            Selam Aligaz, Saleh, Paul, Beyan et all,

            Let our Awate be a ሺፍታ. It is part of the duality of heros.
            Angles were sinners, the case of Mary Magdalene, sinners were angeles the case of Satan himself. Zeus was “marrying every night”* and who know what other Gods were in their earlier lives?

            Tewodros, Yohannes etc were ሺፍታs. ሺፍታ is a badge of honor. When the “law” doesn’t allow you to peacefully revolt, you become an outlaw. For the eritrean regime, Mesfin Hagos & others are ሽፍታs including you Saleh.

            Talking of duality, have you noticed Mesfin Hagos’s dual image. They avoid each other, just a touch of fingers congratulating and departing away from each other for their garb-show. Talking about the garb, I am laughing at Beyan’s keen observation. Bravo! Is the oversized garb becoming the insignia of our regime members (“lawful” and “lawless”)? Or shall we call all ሽፍታs because the point of reference, law is not there.

            *ምሽት ምሸት መርዓ from ኣብርሃ ገብርሂወት’s book title.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            I am not surprised that enemies of Awate wrote their own version of history which brings to mind the semi famous saying by Ras Abi about the long memories of the victimized. However I will try to find the book you referenced and read it but it might take time in Addis.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Aligaz G,

            Not to beat a dead horse but I want to emphasize the importance of reading the book Memhir mentioned above.

            I already had respect for Hamid Idris Awate based on several little stories I gathered from here and there, but this book brought it all into one cohesive focus for me and my respect for him grew many folds over.

            Totally unbiased, well supported with facts, several interviews regarding sub stories are conducted from opposing sides as availability allowed. I can’t say enough about the book; it is simply one of the best books I have ever read.

            PS:
            The book may be hard to find in Addis. Let me know if I can help in any way.

          • Aligaz G

            Fanti,

            Awate is a genuine Eritrean hero. He was also a product of his time – Ascari then shifta then liberation fighter. Personally I am not into cancel culture and the dualistic nature of heros doesn’t bother me. In fact the typical habesha has ten faces not just two. On a side note the Woyane uprising in 1943 really interests me because there was still Italian guerrilla activity plus the Axis were still in the ascendency. Of course Awate had joined the Italian guerrillas at that point. Anyway I appreciate Ato Saleh’s recommendation and I will try to get a hold of the book.

          • Brhan

            Hello Aligaz G,
            I recently saw a clip for Haile Selase Woldu who wrote the book ” Hamed Idris Awate’ where the author spoke about the issue .i.e if Awate was a bandit and from his explanation you can understand that he underestimates the issue. ( I will post the link in the weekend, it is in Tigrinya)
            As you mentioned , he was the product of his time and if you notice as H.S. Woldu says in the clip, that time 1945-1960 was a time where many shiftas appeared on the surface.
            But his strugle for the independence of Eritrea ( the strong point) overshadows his exprience as a bandit( weak point) and I believe this thinking won during the Eritrean political parties meeting in Awasa, Ethiopia , when the issue came to their agenda.
            Likewise , Atse Tedros as well Aste Yohannes were also bandits.
            The first is very glorified in Ethiopia as far as I know comparing to the other. May be here also Ethiopians saw the strong and weak points or the good and bad side of each one and decided how to glorify them accordingly.
            Thanks

          • Aligaz G

            Brhan,

            You are right. Historically, a lot of disgruntled strongmen chose the shifta route mostly because perceived affronts to their honor. And later on they were easily “rehabilitated” and given legitimacy. This is all part of the Horn culture and history. There is a fascinating book by Greenfield about the 1960 coup attempt where Menguistu Neway played the “bon vivant” until the last minute before showing his true colors. Anyhow this phenomenon is repeated in the lives of many heros in the region.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          Just to state my disagreement with your statement: Haileslassie has not any positive legacies on Eritrea and Eritreans. Other than the atrocities that befallen in the lowland of Eritrea, he worked very hard using a religious card to create a rift between Christians and Muslims Eritreans. Giving scholarships for few Christians highlanders for his own political end is not a positive legacy at all. Just think about it.

          Regard

          • Brhan

            Selam Ustaz Amanuel,
            The simple question for Dr. Paulos is ” If that is the case, so why did Eritreans revolted against the King in the first place?”

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Affluenza is a deadly disease.
            How do you say ጥጋብ in Tigrinya?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            What IA doing to Eritrean people is not something to admired. You seem to find joy in our misery.

            The king failed to live up to the expectation of an agreement he signed.

            Off course it’s easy for you to deny and denounce the Eritreans people fight for freedom.

            But it’s typical of Ethiopian leaders throughout time. Tell me one Ethiopian leader who has kept his word?

            And as a result, after 3000 years or history, Ethiopia as a nation governed by laws, has nothing to show for.

            When it comes to respect the rule of law, it’s probably worst today compared to 3000 years ago.

            If you want to see parallel to what happened to Eritrea at the time, you need to see what’s happening to Hong King today.

            The Chinese are destroying the democratic institutions that the British helped establish.

            Do you expect the Hong Kong people just fold their hands and hand over to the brutal (another government made up of lies, who honours nothing) Chinese regime?

            We will get through this and lucky for us, we are one breath away, while you will be stuck in this sorry state for years to come (not that is my wish but I am telling you the facts).

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            Tell me one Eritrean leader who has ever kept his word? But seriously you do realize that PRC really has full sovereignty over HK but has agreed with the Brits to allow HK to follow it’s own path under the “one country two systems” arrangement for 50 yrs starting from handover in 1997. So basically in a couple decades HK by law will just be another territory of the PRC.

          • Berhe Y

            Aligaz,

            Everyone including Isayas Afeworki. It’s unfortunate for Hong Kong. What happens in a couple of decade then let time take it’s course. Just because the agreement was for 50 years it doesn’t mean they have to abrogate it now (25 years later). Same goes for Eritrea, federation was suppose to last for 10 years and the people had the choice to decide their future, where the king annexed Eritrea 8 years later.

            I hope this will be the beginning of the end for the Chinese government and I hope many Chinese people come and join Hong Kong to see the end of this barbaric regime.

            And it will be just a matter of time.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            What many people dont know is that the main driver of the protests was the extremely high cost of living especially apartments. Young people are being priced out and are desperate. People literally live in closets. In all the years I have travelled there I have never been invited to anybody’s home for that reason. They overcompensate by picking you up in a luxury car and inviting you to crazy over the top meals at a fancy restaurant. Same thing to a lesser extent in mainland China.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aligaz,

            I have never been to HK or China and I do not have a desire to do so in near future. I can’t stand the current Chinese government, and I think they are the liability to the human race.

            You may as well be right about the living expense but the Chinese have been buying properties around the world including where I live. It’s almost impossible to get to housing market anymore for an average. Personally I am not affected but where ever they go, they take over everything slowly.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam bera
            Instead of none stop complain, why u don’t do ur personal responsibility? I think Nitricc is right, u r welfare addicted garbage, who don’t have anything to do except complaining, 30 years a ago there was no country called eritrea and there was no citizen called eritrean, they were ethiopian, that was a fact whether u like it or not. Plus it been 30 years since eritrea got its independence but u ox still complaining none stop, what nasty creature.
            eritrea “reunited” with ethiopia don’t mean ethiopia to babysit eritrea, it means eritrea was part of ethiopia and eritreans were ethiopian.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            If you don’t like what i write, you can just ignore it and move one.

            As to what I do for living you have no idea, in fact it’s been over 10 days without commenting because I was super busy in the last few days.

            I am not complaining to you or to anyone else, but stating the facts as I know them.

            Yes, I repeat Ethiopian leaders, telling the truth or giving your words mean nothing. The leadership is all based on deceit and short term gains with what ever means.

            It’s really shame, unfortunately. The only time they become honest is with the white man.

            Note: I am not implicating Ethiopian people, but their successive leaders. Yohannes, Alula, Menelik, Haile Slassie, Mengistu, Melles…on and on.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            This is exactly what im saying, u r complain addicted too, u went all the way to 140 something years to complain, even if u see them as occupier, since it’s irrelevant because eritrea is independent country but even if u see them as occupier, at least give them equally blame with the rest of occupiers, the likes of Italy, Turkey and beloved egypt(misr).
            i remember, meles the greatest ” hater” once said something about spiritual/soul dead but physically alive individuals.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            Listen, yezorebet.

            I am not complaining to you or anyone else for that matter. I was responding to your country man said, “your king was treating our people better, and he was praising our current dictator for the way he is treating our people”.

            Anyway glad to see you are worshipping “ melles the greatest”.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            U don’t know the difference between cursing and worshiping, that makes u yezurebet.
            I told u stop complaining, be positive .

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            Be positive. What’s that even mean in this context. I am positive when I have positive things to say and negative when there is something to be negative about.

            We will see how long your positive towards “weyane and melles the greatest” will last.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            It means stop crying, it means think about the future, it means don’t live in the past like …..
            what is up with this meles and wayane , u know, unlike u …….. I never believe eprdf means tplf after 1993, why ? I believe on the reality on the ground, not in fake news , or poltical ratheric.
            Keep crying, we will see what u gonna do about it.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            I don’t know why you keep repeating the same thing. Who us crying, really. If this was not a virtual world, I would have really like to show you what real crying means.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            u r crying, u crying ethiopia did that 150 years ago , ethiopia did this 130 years ago , all the way to 2020.
            i can tell u all the sabotage inside and outside, all the betrayal, the deportation(even before eritrea become independent), the killing of pow by starvation and shooting, the looting, working with and for all ethiopia’s enemies and so on since long long long time ago but u don’t see me crying because of the past.
            I told u once again stop crying and think positive for the future for ur own “country” good.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            Not only that you are ignorant but you are a lousy and pathetic lair.

            Betrayal, deportation, killing pow by starvation….

            Ok heard enough. You will live to see Eritrea rise. I am sure of it.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            I love to see eritrea to rise, im not jealous sick like u, i will be happy.
            all what i said is true, i don’t believe rumour like u ido.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            There is a lot of blame that can go around the Eritrean ghedli and struggle for justice and freedom. But when it comes to doing harm to Ethiopian civilians, Ethiopian POW, Ethiopian public and civilian infrastructures, it’s record is pristine and clean as morning water.

            I can honestly say it’s better than most most civilized and regular army of any advanced countries.

            It’s not that I am trying to convince you or anything but the truth all Ethiopians know about. If you can google “Ethiopian POWs” on you tube and you can hear from them the truth.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam bera
            ethiopian pow on YouTube? U really r welfare and complain addicted .

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I said ኢሱዬ እንደ ንጉሡ ዘመን አያሞላቅቃችሁም:: እያዋከበ ስለሚገዛችሁ ለማመፅ ጊዜ የላችሁም:: ታላቁ ንጉሠ ነገሥት እሽሩሩ ስላበዙ በቅብጠት አመፃችሁ::
            ተግባባን?
            PSG won 2-1.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi,
            Is it The custom of Ethiopia not to respect agreements? I have a long list but now it longer by one more:: no final and binding in your psyche? 🙂

          • mad mullah

            Hello Saleh,
            The Ethiopian have a long history with international agreement starting with the Wuchale treaty. I believe that was their first modern international agreement. And you know what happened… From what I see the Ethiopian have a lot of international diplomatic skills and expertise relative to know who…
            They play realpolitik well..

          • Saleh Johar

            Okay, what’s the prize Mullah,
            The championship cut is not yet claimed, help get to to whoever deserves it. 🙂

          • Aligaz G

            mullah,

            There were many treaties before Wuchale. The Hewett Treaty of 1884 is a good example.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi mad,

            Google “earthworks Stanford university Ethiopian map” and you will find all the maps that was dated as far back as 1800.

            Ethiopia today never existed until 1900s and only known as abissinia until 1941. Eritrean map of today existed in it’s current form way before the current Ethiopian map.

            I personally think HSI played a key role in keeping the legacy of colonialism in Africa by advocating to keep the colonial maps as basis for creating the African nations.

            Eritrea was sacrificed and was given to him as a reward and due to lack of power and influence of Italy.

            He was rewarded and praised by the west for his efforts…. which until today makes Africa under the colony (it’s resources) albeit symbolic independence.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            The Habesha land is not the same with the current Ethiopian land. The Habesha land did not include the Southern part of Ethiopia. The Ethiopian territory with its boundary came in to existence with the partition of the Horn of Africa by the colonialist, which now includes the southern part of Ethiopia that was not part of the Habesha land, and which excludes Eritrea the was a colonial state of Italy. The 3000 history of Ethiopia is baseless as there were no a country with a demarcated boundaries in Africa before the coming of the European colonialist. The existence of Ethiopia with its boundaries is the same with the existence of Eritrea, Sudan, Kenya, Somalia, and Djibouti with their boundaries.

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            You say that “Eritrea was sacrificed and was given to him (HS) as a reward and due to lack of power and influence of Italy.”.
            Do you really mean it, that ethiopia had more power and influence at the UN than a european colonial power, italy, that eritrea was given to HS as a reward?
            The major powers of the time, france, the soviet union, and britain and the usa included, i believe, were opposed to the demands of ethiopia.
            While italy and its accomplices wanted the independence of eritrea, so that italy could continue to rule it as its protectorate, it was the Unionist party that turned the tide and eritrea was finally united with ethiopia in a federation. It was the findings of the UN Commission of Enquiry that convinced them that federation was the wish of the people eritrea.
            At least this is what historians says. The problem is with the plasticity of history, that she can be given any shape and form as one like.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            The simple question you should ask is, why Ethiopia has demanded in the first place.

            It could have demanded Djibouti or part of the Somali land as well. Why Eritrea.

            I am no saying HS had more power than Italy, but British and France have interests in their colony in Africa and they wanted someone who can sell / their long term plans of keeping the African countries bondage to them by giving them “fake independence”, where they have no power controlling their resources.

            HS played that roll perfectly well that served the European / US interests, as Ethiopia was one of the first country in Africa that was considered free at the time.

            HS met with US president Roosevelt abroad USS ship Suez Canal canal in 1945. That’s two years after the US setup base in Asmara. The US wanted the base and HSI have delivered for them (not that other Eritreans wouldn’t) but they wanted a trusted allay.

            Eritrea faith was long ago sealed. There was no referendum conducted to say what the choice of the Eritrean people was, except some members of the UN come to speak and observe the sentiment of the people.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            ስምምነታችን አዋተን ላልወቅስ እንጂ ንጉሴን ላለማወደስ አይደለም::
            ተሳሳትኩ እንዴ ጌታው?

          • Saleh Johar

            For fairness Ras Abiy, all agreements fail in the way the parties interpret them. I made sure not to leave loopholes. The is an important word “except” but I am fine with you praising your king and I will put his picture on the wall and play darts on it:-)

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            “እዚያም ቤት እሳት አለ” አሉ አለቃ ገብረሃና!

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            This time you spoke the truth. There were no brave men to topple the king except the Eritreans.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            I don’t understand why you choose to stay in the dark?
            Last time I checked the only thing Eritreans could topple was የገንፎ ተራራ. ታድያ ገንፎ በሚንድ እጃችሁ ኢሱን ገርስሱታ ምን ትጠብቃላችሁ?
            የእናቶቻችሁ መቀነት እንዳያደናቅፋችሁ ከኩሽናው ወጣ በሉና እንድ ጊዜ ኢሱ ላይ እንደ አንበሳ አግሱበት:: ኢሱም ይገረሰሳል ገንፎ የወጠረው ሆዳችሁም ተንፈስ ይላል::

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            You are right , those who toppled the King were Ethiopian Muslims:
            “በኢትዮጲያ የሚገኙ ሙስሊሞች?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            You know I hate to bring ethnicity and religion in any discussion.
            Now, go back and finish your ገአት before it gets cold.

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            Well, somebody toppled the king. Who?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት በርሀ
            ሸንኮለል ከብለካ’ዩ ዚ ዘይዓበየ ሰብኣይ።
            ፍሊት ነፊሕካሉ ሕለፍ።

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I just read your article that started and ended with complaining about everything. It started in Ethiopia and ended somewhere in the Far East.
            In the same time I’m enjoying champions league. Atalanta 1 vs PSG 0. Halftime.
            I will update you on the final score.
            In the mean time keep complaining.

        • Consolation

          Dr. Paulos,

          his positive legacies

          Can you mention one positive legacy? My dear fellow, the man was a monster. When he was deposed from power in 1974, Ethiopia (minus Eritrea) had less than 30 high-schools. This is a man who lived for 5 years in England. One would have thought that in those five years he would have been driven with the ambition to bring Ethiopia to the 20th century were he to get the opportunity. But once he got the opportunity, he made sure that Ethiopia stayed in the middle ages with entire provinces with only one high-school, one hospital and little else. The main reason he abrogated the federation was because he was concerned that Eritrea might pull the rest of Ethiopia to the 20th century. He was a cruel, reactionary, and ignorant sob! When famine hit Ethiopia in 1972, his first instinct was to hide the starvation which killed over 250,000 people.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Fantish, Brhan, Mehandsay,

        A friend of mine has read my comment and sent me the link, episode-61. When I listened to the clip, it enforce the hate I have on social media. Social media is the fertile ground for hate, bigotry, and racism – all sorts of antisocial venoms. Here, Mr Bokre using social media is spreading anti Muslim bigotry to widen one of our social faults. Actually, I don’t consider him as historian. All his talking is not about history, but it is, rather all about promoting the Orthodox Church. Not only that, in the same episode he thwarted the resistance of Aboy Haji Mussa against the interference of the government on religions and painted him as Sheria defender. He undermined the role of the icons of our political struggle for self determination, such as Woldeab Woldemariam, Ibrahim Sultan, and Abdelkadir Kebire. In my book he is anti history and anti social harmony.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Prof. Emma,
          Oh that guy? If I had to explain him in one word, it would have been ተበርጂንዎ

    • chefena

      Selam Haw Amanuel, not identifying these entities by name is a good idea since they are better described by their bad deeds. They don’t deserve to be called by their names or what they stand for. In Tigrinya there is what we call ዲል ምኽላእ።

      I thank Haw Beyan for this superb contribution and looking forward to your the next two installments.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Chefena,

        I like the phrase “ ዲል ምኽላእ” and you are absolutely right. Thank you.