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Gloomy Clouds Over the Horn of Africa

Abdella Hamdouk: Last year, the Sudanese Sovereignty Council appointed Abdella Hamdouk as a prime minister. He was sworn in on 21 August 2019. Roughly seven months later, on Monday, March 9, 2020, Hamdouk survived an assassination attempt when an explosion in Khartoum went off and damaged his car as he drove to his office. The Sudanese prosecutor stated the attack was “professionally plotted”. However, it’s widely believed the attempt was shabby and hastily planned.

Last year, a popular uprising forced the army to unseat Omar AlBashir, Sudan’s dictator since 1989. A joint military and civil administration took over and the Sovereignty council that appointed Hamdouk to lead a traditional government that recently decided to hand over Omar Al Bashir and others to the International Criminal Court to face charges over the Darfur genocide.

Facing and internal opposition entrenched politicians, some loyal to Omar Albashir and his party, Hamdok’s government has also to navigate through the region’s unstable political situation.  Last January the Sudanese security forces quelled a small armed revolt which General Salah Gosh, the ex security chief, allegedly masterminded. The General reportedly lives in Egypt and frequently travels to Eritrea.

Abiy Ahmed: Ethiopia will hold a multi-party election on August 16, 2020 amid serious security concerns. The polarized country is going through precarious situation mainly ethnic strife and sectarian conflicts. In addition, the Tigray region is under huge pressure from nationalists contemplating Secession from the Ethiopian state. If Abiy’s government continues to deny the perceived and real opposition a maneuvering space, the result could inflict a far reaching damage on the country.

Recently security forces denied permission to Abiy’s opponents to hold a rally with an excuse that campaigning date was not yet due. However, Abiy’s Prosperity Party held a rally despite  banning its rivals from doing so. Such actions are casting doubts on the country’s ability to carryout a peaceful and fair election. The rivalry is expected to be mainly between parties that want to keep the federal arrangement against Abiy’s ruling party that advocates for a unitary state.

As the election date approaches, the nervous cloud engulfing all parts of Ethiopia is getting heavier. The Tigray government is countering the pressure from Abiy’s government by making gestures towards Eritrea, its Northern neighbor. Dr. Debretsion, the Deputy President of Tigrai, “ called on the people of Eritrea to work towards peace and reconciliation” with their brethren across the Mereb river which separates Eritrea from the Tigrai region. However, the two governments have been living in a no-peace-no-war situation following the 1998-2000 bloody border war between the two countries.

The visible conflict between Tigrai region and Abiy Ahmed started soon after the latter gained power and immediately started campaigning against officials of the Tigrai region calling them “Yeqen Jiboch” (Daylight Hyenas) a negative epithet he coined to describe Tigraian officials. That campaign led to the arrest and abuse of of many Tigraians all over Ethiopia. In response, Tigraian intellectuals started to discredit his rule and are now calling the prime minister, “Colonel Abiy”, dropping the often used title of  “Dr. Abiy” from his name. Many Ethiopians doubt if Abiy ever earned a PhD.

The Dam over River Abay

The construction of GERD began in 2011 under the late prime minister Meles Zenawi who died a year later. GERD is the biggest project in the history of Ethiopia and when completed, it will be Africa’s biggest hydroelectric power plant and Egypt is worried about water supply shortage. About 85% of the Nile water is carried by the Abay River (Blue Nile) from the Ethiopian highlands and Egypt depends on the Nile for 90% of its needs. Ethiopian-Egyptian disagreements over the control of the Nile has  a long history by the current cycle escalating under President Mursi.

In 2013, Mohammed Mursi held a meeting with a selected group of influential Egyptians and discussed ways to deal with Ethiopia over the Nile Crisis. The recording was leaked and it was translated into English by awate.com at the time, and it exposed Egypt’s plans to use the Eritreans government and the Ethiopian Oromos to destabilize Ethiopia. Soon, Mursi who belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood, was overthrown by the Egyptian military under the leadership of AlSisi, with the support of both Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Now AlSisi repeatedly blames Mursi for enabling Ethiopia to go this far in constructing the dam.

The Nile water has always been an effective political rallying tool for both countries and that is exasperating the situation. At the moment, Egypt has more serious problems like unemployment, lack of freedoms, and price hikes of consumer supplies, but the Nile agitation diverts the focus of the public away from the real issues. An Ethiopian scholar said, “Colonel Abiy must have learned AlSisi’s trick of diverting public attention by using the Nile scare… we have full rights over the water that flows out of out territories.” Until recently, Prime Minister Abiy downplayed the importance of GERD, now he is “milking the crisis for his benefit, in similar ways to that of AlSisi.” More such accusations are expected as the Ethiopian election date approaches. Ethiopians are apprehensive of the failure of Abiy’s government to resolve the case surrounding the mysterious death of Engineer Simegnew Bekele, the Gerd project manager of Gerd. On July 26, 2018, he was found dead with in his car in Addis Ababa, with a shot to his head in Addis Ababa.

Filling the Thirsty Blue Nile Reservoir 

The reservoir requires over 7 billion cubic meters of water to fill.  So far, the the USA mediation between Egypt and Ethiopia, to reach an agreement over the timetable for filling the dam reservoir, has not been successful. While Ethiopia plans to fill the reservoir in four years, Egypt insisting on stretching the time to about “12 to 21 years”.   But the Ethiopian minister of Water said the filling will start in the next rainy season and start generating electricity with two turbines out of the 13 turbines that produce 6,000 megawatts of electricity. An observer said, “the controversy can be resolved only if the parties treat the filling timetable as a technical issue and stop using it for propaganda as a political rallying tool.” So far, that advise has not found ears and the leaders have escalated the differences to new political heights.

Egypt has reverted to its 2013 rhetoric and has involved the Arab League which endorsed its position by declaring it recognizes “Egypt’s rights” over the Nile water. That endorsement provoked a strong reaction from Ethiopia which rejected the Arab League resolution “in its entirety”, and also lambasted the USA of siding with Egypt. Like they did to the above advise, the two countries have also ignored a well-known wisdom: involving a third party in a difference of a bilateral nature complicates matters, particularly when technical issues are politicized to serve populist motives, which both countries are guilty of.

Target Hamdouk

Though a member of the Arab League, Sudan has complicated the matter by refusing to endorse the Arab League resolution and siding with Ethiopia. The badly (or hastily planned) attempt on the life of prime minister Hamdouk is probably an expression of disapproval of Sudan’s position, and a warning to Hamdouk to fall in line. However, it’s evident that more countries in the region are using the Nile crisis that Ethiopia and Egypt failed to resolve amicably, as a political opportunity to expand their influence and serve their interests.

Unconfirmed reports indicate that Sudan has already arrested a native of one of the countries of the region in connection with the attack on Hamdouk. According to unconfirmed reports, the person who is reportedly under custody has arrived to Khartoum a few days before the assassination attempt was carried out.

Isaias Afwerki Is Somewhere There!

It seems Ethiopia’s only loyal supporter is Sudan while Egypt is backed by the Arab League and the USA, in addition to the UAE and Saudi Arabia. Both countries have a critical financial leverage over most of the region’s countries. And this highlights the mysterious role of Isaias Afwerki, Eritrea’s dictator who has unilaterally signed a peace agreement with “Colonel Abiy”, his ally who wants to corner the Tigray regional government into submission. Isaias doesn’t have any loyalty towards Abiy Ahmed or Ethiopia but wants to destroy the TPLF, the Tigray ruling party, and he has been trying to accomplish for over two decades. The TPLF and the PFDJ (Eritrean ruling party) have been enemies for decades and Abiy jumped into the fry convinced that the removal of the TPLF will give him an opportunity to consolidate his power. That plan is going nowhere.

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  • Paulos

    Selam All,

    Sal says, at least in his twitter feed, PFDJ’s motto is to turn Eritrea into Tigrai of the 70s. He has a valid reason for that, simply because he posted a BS of the Game-Over-Land when it is claiming that, it has already set up a Lab for Corona testing. He provides a picture as well. Check his twitter if you can. It is impossible for a Game-Over to come back to life much less to come up with a well equipped Lab that tests Corona.

    • iSem

      Hi Paulo:
      Turning Eritrea to Tigray of th e70? Sal is very careful writer,he is trying to avoid the accusation of hyperbole .
      Let see what Tigray of the 70 was going for her and what Eritrea is NOT going for her

      1. There was a vanguard revolution since 1975
      2. Its enemy was under attack from different fronts and its people were united to fight the enemy

      3Eritrea of now, its enemy is insidious swaddled in the garb of Eritrean flag, like the CoronaVirus it can destroy you before showing symptoms
      4. Eritreans are not united to fight this insidious enemy
      tigray of 1970 was a reversible matter, when IA/PFDJ is done with Eritrea, the damage is one way like one way encryption that cannot be reversed. In the discussion with Horizon our friend Ted Alem called my assertion oxen answer what ever that means and asked me: “what prevented IA from doing what I accuse him?”
      My answer is, IA is not done the process is underway., the conspiracy against Eritreansim has not abated and many, many Eritreans are the catalysts for the grand plan master minded by those at helm
      Semere Tesfay,I took your counsel and I held that though and am bringing it her

      • Abi

        ISem
        Please continue the discussion with Semere T. I believe the moderator is allowing the comments to go all the way to የትየሌሌ ( infinity) due to coronavirus. It a special week.
        Besides, I’m tired of listening to myself. We desperately need new and exciting topics.
        የታሰርን ሱስኞች ከሆን አይቀር ለማለት ነው::

      • Paulos

        Selam Semerile,

        I can only imagine the kind of anger Sal feels and others when Isaias in a broad daylight says, Massawa once the gem of the Red Sea no more. And he vouches for a shepherd over a guy with a Samsonite. And the end result is a tragedy of a nation which was once surpassed only by South Africa in modernity in the 30s and now is rendered መስሓቕ ጏህማማት.

        I generally am not into conspiracy theories even for a bit but the fate of Eritrea seems an insider’s work to destroy her from with-in.

    • Samuel

      Selam Paulos,
      Mekelle University and Tigray Bureau of Health are doing great job, this is one step forward. Trust me Game-Over chant will continue. IA’s ego is like flipping a coin, the value remains the same. “ያበጠ ልጅ የወፈረ ይመስሏል” ይባላል፡፡

      Thanks,

      • Paulos

        Selam Samuel,

        In this part of the world, the civic culture is the signature where citizens take full responsibility including abiding by the rules put forward by the governing body. And it is rather encouraging to see Tigreans taking the Corona threat the seriousness it deserves and practicing social distancing and washing hands regularly as well. Moreover, the government in Tigrai is relying on its own when it set up a Lab for blood test which was otherwise being sent to Addis for test.

        It has political significance where Abiy can control the reins no more. Horizon the other day said, Tigrai is going no where. I say, he should think again.

        • Abi

          Paul
          Don’t listen to Horizon. Tigray is going places!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Going places is not a good sign. The former German Chancellor Kohl once famously said, “If any leader says, he sees vision(s), he better see a Doctor.”

          • Abi

            Paul
            My worry is that you are hearing voices from mekele.
            Going,Going, Going… Gone!!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Perhaps more to reason than to Mekele?

            The other day, you said, you’ve never been to Eritrea. Really? You need to visit! I promise you, you will fall in love with the country in no time. The country has a magic touch!

          • Abi

            Paul
            One of the two things will happen in the near future. Either I go to see Eritrea or Eritrea will come to me.
            First Lady has visited Asmara and Masawa once.
            One day…

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I have always known that my Sister-In-Law has a great taste for great cities and hope you will say ok when she asks you to visit next time around.

          • Abi

            Paul
            She also knows how to choose the Best husband. She demands high standards 🙈.
            It is in the future plan. I also like to see Keren where young Jemal lived as a child.
            ( I’m assuming you know young Jemal.)

          • Paulos

            No wonder you’re ma bro!

          • Abi

            Paul
            Do I have to practice ቴስታ?
            የበርሄን ጭንቅላት ማን ይይዝልኛል?

          • Selam Abi,
            If you ever visit Asmara, remember this saying, the country of a wife becomes the country of the man. You may remain there for the rest of your life. After 40 years you will be a true citizen of Eritrea, and you will have a paper signed by Nitricc.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            ነትራካው ኒትሪክ ኤርትራን ከማየቱ በፊት ክርስቶስ ተመልሶ ይመጣል:: ከጎጃም አይዘልቅም::
            እኔ ግን
            “አስመራን እግኝቼ ምን አጥቼ
            ሁሉ በጄ ሁሉ በደጄ”
            ከቀድሞም የአያቶቼ ወደፊትም የልጆቼ
            ከምድር እስከ ባህር አድማሴን አስፍቼ
            ኮኮቤን በሰማይ ለመብራት ረጭቼ
            ለቅዱስ ዻውሎስ ቤተስኪያን ገንብቼ
            ለሞተው ቴድሮስ መቃብር ሰርቼ
            ተስፋ ለሌላቸው ተስፋ ሆኜላቸው
            የበር ላይ ዋርድያ እንዳይቆጣቸው
            ኃይሌን ለብርታቴ በእጄ ጨብጬ
            ነትራካውን ጀሌ በእግሬ ረግጬ
            አኩራፊውን ተለማምጬ
            አምዴን አቁሜ ካደባይይ
            እንዲፈርድ እንዲያደባይ
            ከእዮብ ትእግሥትን ተውሼ
            ከተደበቀበት አለሳልሼ መልሼ
            ህልሜ ሰመረ ያቀድኩት ተሳካ
            አስመራ ከተማ ሁልጊዜ ፋሲካ!!
            እንዲህ ነው የአርባ አመት ግዛት ሲሳካ!!!!!

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው እንደምን ኣደሩ
            እንግድያስ ኒትሪክ ለዘለኣለም ነው የሚኖሩ?

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            “እንግድያስ ኒትሪክ ለዘለኣለም ነው የሚኖሩ?”
            እንዲያ መሆኑ ነው ነገሩ
            እንደ ድመት በዘጠኝ ነፍስ ስለተፈጠሩ!

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            የኣባባሉን ትርጉም ስፈላልግ፡ የቃላቱን ትርጉም ኣድማሴ መልሶታል።
            Interestingly there are few tigrigna adages that refer to Gonder. This is one, the other that we mentioned in this forum in the past is ዘይሓፍር ጻጸ ጎንደር ከይዱ ይላጸ (ሃፍረተ-ቢስ ጉንዳን፡ ጎንደር ሄዶ ይላጫል). SGJ knows better, but let me speculate the origin of these adages. I think they originate from the tumultuous relationship between the ruling Gonderian kings and the highland-Eritrea administrators when Gonder was at its Zenith before the mid 17een hundreds. At that period, if someone wants to be a ከንቲባ, he usually prefers goes to Gonder to be officially nominated rather than getting it from whoever powerful reigns around. The king had certain respect. While people were constantly revolting against the central power they had a high regard for the throne.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            “አባቱ ዳኛ ልጁ ቀማኛ” ክፉ አመፀኛ!
            ካንተው ሰማሁት ዳግመኛ!
            Thanks Haile. That is a very interesting story and a fitting adage.
            Beautiful!

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi, maybe your other half can sing this traditional Eritrean lyrics:
            Eza Gonder-Gonder ktbluwa
            ktmtsakum diya ktkeduwa
            ktmtsakum diya ktkeduwa….

            It was not said to anyone who wants to establish wefcho bet in Gonder; it’s deeper.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            የኔ ግማሽ አካል የትግርኛ ብቃት ወንዝ የሚያሻግር አይመስለኝም:: እርስዎ ቤት ያፈራኇቸውን ወዳጆቼን እለማመጣለሁ እንጂ:: ጥለው አይጥሉኝም:: ወዳጅ ለመቼ ነው ጌታዬ!

            ጏዶች እንረዳዳ እንጂ!

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራሥ አቢ፡
            በጥሪዎ መሰረት እንሆ ደርሰናል፡፡

            ዋርደያው እንዲህ ይላሉ፡-

            እቺ ጎንደር ጎንደር እምትሏት
            ልትመጣባችሁ ነው ልትሄዱባት
            ልትመጣባችሁ ነው ልትሄዱባት

          • Abi

            Hello Admassie
            እንኳን ደረስክልኝ የኔ ወዳጅ
            ተርጏሚ አጥቼ ስባዝን ስዋጅ
            በል ንገራቸው እንዲህ ብለህ
            በቋንቋቸው አሰማምረህ እንዲገባቸው አስተካክለህ

            ቅርብ ለቅርብ ነው አስመራና ጎንደር
            ሲጫወቱ ውሎ ከመሸም ለማደር
            ምጡብን ምጡብን ምጡብን ግድየለም
            ያላስተናገድነው ያልደገፍነው የለም
            በሉ ኑ ግቡ ወደውስጥ ዝለቁ
            ቤታችን ቤታችሁ አትሸማቀቁ!!

          • Admassie

            ጌታው ራሥ አቢ፡

            “ቅርብ ለቅርብ ነው አስመራና ጎንደር
            ሲጫወቱ ውሎ ከመሸም ለማደር”

            እስኪ ይህን የእርስዎን መልእክት በራሴው ሃቅ ላሰማምረው፡፡
            መቼስ ተርጓሚ አያስፈልገው፡፡

            ደግነት ነው መውደድ ደግ ነው ዝምድና፣
            ፍቀርም ትህትና ነው የራስ ልግስና፡፡
            በእንዲህ ያለው ጸጋ በእንዲህ ያለ አዝመራ፣
            አስመራ ነው ጎንደር ጎንደር ነው አስመራ፡፡
            ቢሆን በአንድ ጣሪያ ባይሆን ተጎራብተን፣
            መኖር አይገደንም ካቄመው ጉድጓጅ ሽቅብ ገዝፈን ነግሰን፡፡
            የሄንን ተባብለን፣
            በስስት የማያት በኩራት የማቅፈው፣
            ከአብራኳና አብራኬ ክፋይ ከባረክነው፣
            ዘመን አልፏል ይሄው፡፡

            ይላሉም ልጆቼ፡-
            አንድም ሁለት ነን ሁለትም አንድ ነን፣
            ሰምና ወርቅ ያለው ታሪክ ነው ያፈራን፡፡

            እናም

            ደግነት ነው መውደድ ደግ ነው ዝምድና፣
            ፍቀርም ትህትና ነው የራስ ልግስና፡፡
            በእንዲህ ያለው ጸጋ በእንዲህ ያለ አዝመራ፣
            አስመራ ነው ጎንደር ጎንደር ነው አስመራ፡፡

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            አብነት የሆነ ጨዋታ አምጥተሃል
            ከአድማስ የሰፋ ፍቅር አሳይተሃል
            ደግነት ለራስ ነው ብዙ ያተርፍሃል
            ክፋትም ለራስ ነው ዞሮ ያዋርዳል
            እኔን የቸገረኝ ከቶ እንድጠራጠር
            ምላሹን አጥቼ ላሳየሁት ፍቅር
            ወዳጄ ባልኩት ሰው እኔው ስጭበረበር
            እውስጤ ተቀብሮ የመከዳት ፍርሃት
            አጣሁኝ መፍትሄ ሁነኛ መድሃኒት
            መጠርጠር መረጥኩኝ እንዳልመነጠር
            ባንተ ግን ቀናሁኝ ወንድሜ ተከበር::

          • Admassie

            ሰላም አቢ፡

            ለምስጋናህ ምስጋየ ይድረሰው፣
            ለስብራትህም ጠገግታውን ይስጠው፡፡
            በቀርማ ወንድማለም፡-
            “እባብን ያየ በልጥ በረየ” ይላልና የምሳሌ መጽሐፉ፣
            በተገኘህበት – አንተ በተሞከርክበት ክፉ፣
            ማን ፍርድ ይሰጣል ?
            የማንስ ሃቅ ለማን እውነት ይሆናል?
            በማንስ ጫማ ማን ቆሞ በማን ይሳለቃል?

            እርግጥ ነው፡-
            ምክርና ቡጢ ለሰጭው ቀላል ቢሆንም፣
            አንተም ብለኸዋልና ለመድገም፣
            የጠየመ ልብ – ቅርታው ተቋጥሮ ያልተፈታ፣
            ቀድሞ የሚጠቃው እርሱ ነው በእስራቱ ገፈታ፡፡

          • Abi

            ልጅ አድማሴ
            ስብራቴ ጠጏል የበለዘው ለቋል
            አጥንት ደግ ነው በቶሎ ይጠጋል
            ጠባሳ ነው ክፉ መች ቶሎ ይሽራል
            እባብ ያየው አይኔ በልጥ ይበረያል
            የሻከረው ሆዴ ዳግም ይሸበራል
            መፍትሔዉ ጊዜ ነው ጊዜ ይሽረዋል

            ኧረ ለመሆኑ እናንተ ዘንዳ ቅምጭና እንኳ ማንጠልጠያ አለው ትሉም የለም እንዴ? ይህ ማእረግን መግፈፍ ከየት የመጣ ነው? እኮ እንዳይደገም!

        • Selam Paulos and Abi,
          I still say that Tigray is going nowhere as long as 70% of its budget is coming from the federal government.
          Last time i had said that although it was believed that democracies succeed more in controlling pandemics, due to free press and accountability, it was found out that, on the contrary, authoritarian systems are more successful, because they have result-oriented administrations, and whatever the central government says are implemented to the letter, because there are consequences. The same holds true for tplf, an authoritarian regional government.
          Money wise, tplf has enough money it can privately spend, when compared to other regional governments. Remember, the same people who ruled Ethiopia in the past are ruling today Tigray. None of the other regional governments control the type of economic conglomerates tplf controls. This money is group owned by tplf, and although it may not be enough or available to catapult Tigray to independence, nevertheless it can do a lot of things, for example, but a laboratory, which is nothing for the type of money they control.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            You say, Tigrai is going no where for it depends 70% on the Federal government, in the meantime you say, TPLF has enough money. Which is which? You seem to be contradicting yourself.

          • Selam Paulos,
            I am saying that tplf has money which is privately owned. The money is not enough to take Tigray in to independence, nor available for such things, because it is private money, as Sibhat Nega once said. Aquiring a lab is not a big deal. Let’s call it a gift by EFFORT.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            My argument is with more and more EFFORT Tigray can become independent nation.

          • Selam Abi,
            I guess that most of EFFORT’s money comes from the centre, and most of its businesses are in the rest of Ethiopia, outside Tigray. Once Tigray goes the tap will be closed, and there will be no more flow of capital from the rest of Ethiopia to Tigray. Do you think that still tplf will push with the independence myth?

          • Abi

            Horizon
            You got my point. በተሰረቀ ንብረት አገር አይመሰረትም: አይተዳደርም::
            የትግራይ መሪዎች በሰከነና ባልሰከረ አእምሮ ማሰብ መጀመር ግድ ይላቸዋል::

          • Hashela

            selam Abi
            as often, I believe you are being misunderstood

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Horizon didn’t put any effort to understand what I was saying. You, on the other hand, got it effortlessly.

          • Selam Abi,
            I have understood if you mean the sem-na-worq with the word ‘effort’. I was concentrating on the economy. I hope that such days which were characterized by Mafia type public money embezzling are not repeated. It is one of the reasons i hate ethnic federalism, which Ethiopians were forced to accept out of fear of the worst scenario. What if oromos say our turn has come at last? We are not yet out of the woods.

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            ኦሮሞ ግንድ ነው :: እንደ ቅርንጫፍ አይገነጠልም::

          • Selam Abi,
            Sometimes when i look at the map of Ethiopia, i say to myself, oromia is the motherboard to which every state is attached, except Tigray. I don’t think that they visualize themselves as such. Otherwise, how could confused oromo ethno-nationalists speak of independence and secession?

          • Abi

            Horizon
            “ሲሉ ሰምታ ዶሮ በጭስ ታፍና ሞተች” ይባል የለ?

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            I must say, you’re a relentless and a very good debater but this one is your weakest to date. No patronizing intended.

          • Admassie

            Selam Horizon,
            Unofficial audit indicates that Ethiopia has lost around 545 billion birr to corruption. What is where and who has what we may not know now. There is still an on going audit in regional states. and whether the audits will be official or will be locked time will tell. But some of the audits indicate no official is immune. For example, in a regional state second in vanguard in “meddemer”, officials could not substantiate billions of un accounted birr. An indvidual official is accounted for 90 million birr. Other officials are on the same wagon. Some were furious and treatening for their office was locked un announced.

            A 30 million birr bribe has been offered to auditors which created some momentary division among who stayed true to the task and who fallen to the temptation.

            It is a corrupt money made legit when Abay Industries Share Company was established few years back by a joint venture of Amhara RS (ብአዴን) and young multimillionaires from the region. ብአዴን running Ambassel (similar to EFFORT) and those young guys running their bussiness from Addis are not clean.

            This is with out mentioning the most currupt officials ( OPDO) and Regional State, Oromia.

            We may not wait long to know the truth for things and information are moving so fast. It is wise to save oneself from late embarrassment, when one hammers persistently on a deliberately exaggerated information.

            Admassie A.

          • Selam Admassie,

            545 billion birr lost to corruption in one of the poorest countries in the world is not only economic corruption, but economic murder of Ethiopia, which is similar to the economic crimes committed by Russian mafia oligarchs. Unfortunately, you have not told us, 1) during which government ethiopia was most looted, during the years 1991 – 2012 when tplf was the lone actor, 2012 – 2018, when tplf was the major actor, or 2) over the last two years.
            If the boss was tplf, the other members were the underlings (the small thieves), officials of the eprdf coalition parties. The eprdf was the brainchild of the tplf, a trojan horse, created to facilitate tplf’s uncontested hegemony. They were puppets, who were eating the left-over from their masters table. Everybody knows that they were corrupt, but their arms were short, they were subordinates and they couldn’t do what they were not allowed to do by tplf or known by tplf, because tplf was everywhere, from the top to the bottom, in every administration and in every institution all over the country.
            If “medemir” officials are implicated in corruption, because old bad habits do not go away overnight, and because the tplf state is still intact, despite what they say, then it is up to the government to go all the way and pick them out and throw them to jail.
            It is not far-fetched if others have created businesses similar to Effort, otherwise, tplf could not legalize and legitimize its conglomerate, and win support.
            Every Ethiopian wants the truth to come out. Moreover, all Ethiopians want that the looted money is returned to the country. It will be a miracle if tplf comes out clean, which is more than impossible.

          • Admassie

            Selam Horizon,

            In the absence of transparent auditing no one knows who stole the most except speculation. But, how much is “left over?”

            Those “underlings” and “puppets” who were scavenging “left overs” are still thriving and are collecting 1.5 billion birr to their new cover-up from the same young multimillionaires who were their partners in stealing. Who else is the “government” other than those “underlings” and “puppets” who will go all the way to pick and throw corrupts to jail!?

            I agree, every Ethiopian wants the truth, but of course, the whole truth. Again I agree, Ethiopian want that the looted money is returned to the country, and of course, money looted by every “boss” or “underlings” every money whether “big” or “left overs”!!

          • Selam Admassie,
            The big problem for any new government that comes to power replacing an authoritarian regime is to dismantle the old and corrupt beaurocracy and replace it with new and uncontaminated people. That is the Achilles heel of any third world government that aspires to become democratic. That is why the Ethiopian government is not as effective as it should be. Sometimes it is the old wolves that are the shepherds.
            When corruption was the Modus Operandi over the last three decades, when Ethiopians have become so corrupt at every level, it isn’t an easy job to get rid of corruption over night. Nevertheless, once the government has caught the tail of the tiger (corruption), it should not release its grip. I hope that the government will fight corruption at every level. Otherwise, it has failed, because no country will prosper when corruption is eating it from the inside.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Doterre,
      If you can allow me….

      ጎረቤትካ ምጽላእ መንፈዓት ኣይኮነን
      ኣብ ዱር ከይኣተኻ ከመይሉ ይምነን
      የግዳስ
      ብግምጥልሽ ኴኑ ኣብ ህግደፍ ዘመን
      ዘይተጻሕፈ ምበር ዘይተገብረ እከይ የለን
      ኦሮታ ሰሚኻ ን ኢተገመነን
      ትሕዝቶ ኣብሪስካ ከመይልካ ክትእመን
      ዘየንፈልጦም ድዩ ዝመስለካ
      የዕሩኽትኻ በዓል መን?
      ሊቀ-ህግደፍ መንደላይ ተመን

      ባንዴራ ተጠቕሊሎም ዝስዕስዑ
      ፍጥር ከይበሉ ዝሰስዑ
      ናይ ሰቦም መንጢሎም ‘ንጀራ ዝበልዑ
      ህዝቦም ‘ናሃለቐ ዘይነብዑ
      ሕፍረቶም ዘጥፍኡ
      ሃገራውያን ኢሎም ይጣርዑ
      ደገፍትን ተደናገጽትን ህግደፍ
      ከመይ ሓመድ ይብልዑ

      • Paulos

        ኢንጂኔረ,

        ሊቀ-ሊቃውንቲ ኤሪትራውያን ጠፊኦም’ዮም፣ The only Psychiatrist in Eritrea–Qeshi Dr. Fitsum was perhaps the smartest guy I have ever known in my life. And thousands brainy more! Those were the real educated!

  • sara

    selamat awtistas…
    all the world media is now focused on the current world wide health crises….NO Politic
    may i call on the respectable forum owners also to do so and come with an article that
    ,inform inspire and help eritreans at home and the diaspora to contribute what ever they can in fighting this deadly disease. when i read a country like america is having difficult
    with the virus and may loose upto 200000 people.. what would be the fate of nations like us
    with no resource …how many of us is it going to take? if you take the factors they used to come to that estimation (200000) …. what would be the fate of the country we love and others like us.please let us help our people who do not have all the health protection, economic support you have from the countries you reside….

    • Paulos

      Sara,

      Shouldn’t it be the other way around? We should get distracted from the around the clock news about the virus which is really depressing and do you want us to repeat it here again? All of us here already know how to protect it.

      I think what we need right now is something positive, funny or even politics unrelated to the virus.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Sara

      When it comes to the current Coronavirus endemic, from the get go, the US government mishandled the epidemic really bad. And today, the US government is paying for its slow reaction and unpreparedness with lives and treasure. According to the New York Times (Published March 13, 2020, Updated March 18, 2020, in an article – Worst-Case Estimates for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths – based on projection of US independent experts – using simple models of how viruses spread:

      “If we take a scenario in which the current epidemic “could last months or a little over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities”:

      (a). – “Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic.”

      (b). – And “as many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.”

      The coronavirus is that serious, and it is that scary.

      And the lesson to the Eritrean/Ethiopian/Sudanese governments, and governments in the Red Sea Horn Region is:

      1.- Take this Coronavirus very seriously

      2. – Close your borders air tight (the skys, the seas and land borders)

      3. – Inform/scare the public daily about the Coronavirus

      4. – Stop movement of people, stop(minimize) public transportation

      5. – Teach/advice/inforce…… the public, to practice basic prevention seriously – stop movement of people, stop public gathering, always maintain social distancing, wash hands frequently, avoid touching eyes nose mouth, cover eyes mouth, if you have cough fever difficulty breathing seek medical care early.

      6. – Please, please, please don’t spread (listen to) bad advices – Coronavirus kills only the elderly with pre-existing medical condition, Coronavirus is not deadly on tropical temperature, Coronavirus is just a little worse than the common flue……… This is true story: In my town, the first person who died due to Coronavirus infection was a 31 year-old professional woman with no pre-existing medical condition.

      7. – Prevention is cheaper than cure. Prevention is something poor countries can handle/manage. If this virus gets out of hand, the whole public would be exposed at the mercy of the virus.

      That is my two cents

      Semere Tesfai

      • Selam Semere Tesfai.

        Last time the Ethiopian government was lamenting that people were not paying attention to the guidelines. It is said that authoritarian governments like China have result-oriented administrations and they can succeed in such situations better than democratic countries. China was also late to act, nevertheless, it could control the pandemic better than others.

        The failure to implement the advice, the level of education, the economy, etc, all add up to possible difficulties unless Africans realize the danger. Let’s hope that they will do so. In addition, let’s pray so that the virus is indeed sensitive to UV light (not proved up to now and should not be taken for granted), which is abundant in Africa. The God of the poor will finally act.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Horizon

          “Let’s pray so that the virus is indeed sensitive to UV light (not proved up to now and should not be taken for granted), which is abundant in Africa.”

          Do you really believe Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, California, and all the US Southern States are going to be spared from this looming human disaster? I very much doubt it.

          Let’s hope our governments to do the right public preparations, and if the Coronavirus happens to be “sensitive to UV light” then that would be an icing on the cake so to speak.

          Semere Tesfai

          • Selam Semere T.,
            I am not sure if the states you mentioned above are on the same latitude with tropical Africa where most of the UV light coming from the sun is directed.
            Of course, we are discussing on very theoretical bases, in which we say that UVA and ÙVB could be effective in inactivating the viŕus without any proof whatsoever. As we know UVC is used in sterilisation. It can kill bacteria and viruses. It is dangerous for human beings and animals, and it is filtered out from the sun light by the ozone layer, fortunately.
            If i am not mistaken the Flu viŕus may be undergoing such phenomenon when it comes in winter and goes away in summer, and it is not a major problem in Africa.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            This is my take on the coronavirus

            1. – There are many types of viruses – some survive best during cold weather; Example: the closely related to coronavirus that caused the Sars outbreak in 2003; and other viruses survive best during hot weather; example: the Spanish flu peaked during the summer months, while most flu outbreaks occur during the winter time.

            2. – One of the main factors that make a certain virus deadly is, the time (number of days) it survives outside human body on a given surface – when expelled from the human body by coughing and sneezing. For example, Sars virus on smooth surfaces remains infectious for over five days – at a temperature 72-75F and with a relative humidity of 40–50% – which gives it greater capacity to infect many people and become epidemic. Meaning, in a cooler temperature and lower humidity, the Sars virus would survive outside the human body longer and would be capable of infecting many people.

            3. – Therefore, climate and humidity are very important factors in determining the life (survival) of a given virus outside human body. And the life of a virus outside human body is very important factor in the spread of virus diseases. The longer the virus survive outside the human body, the deadlier. But climate and humidity (hot and cold weathers) don’t affects all viruses the same way.

            4. – Now, we said the coronavirus is spread by, people to people through coughing, sneezing, touching, and lack of social distancing. Therefore, if a given community is not practicing the necessary social distancing, even if the life of the virus is short (outside human body) due to warm/cold weather, still the spreading of the disease is not going to stop.

            5. – To reach into proper conclusion as how the coronavirus is affected by warm/cold weather, a long time study (through different seasons) is a necessary fact. As of today, since the coronavirus is a new disease, nobody is able to say with certainty, how a given weather (hot/cold) is going to affect the coronavirus. That is the only known fact we’ve as of today.

            Semere Tesfai

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam sara,

      I second your motion. I get nervous about the possibility on how a poor nation can cope with the unchecked onslaught.
      One of the cautious approach we might take is this. If it is in the plan to go to the homeland from Europe and US, it is incumbent up on us all, to postpone the trip or be as careful as possible. This is in addition to what the Gov. might be doing.

      Mr. K.H

      • sara

        selam ato kim,
        the least they can do ( those who reside in the west) is give money to the
        local NGO s… send equipment/ medicines and other necessary materials that is needed to fight this disease… now as you may know many people are asked to stay home…. OK if you have good saving .. but for the majority of people who earn from hand to mouth., who is going to feed them… there is no safety net.. where you get unemployment benefit… so at least send help
        to your relatives or any one you may think needs help in this dire situation.
        actually the title of this article says gloomy… that was then now it is Disaster
        clouds the horn of Africa….

  • Selam All,

    News from South of the Mereb. Sorry!
    Ethiopia has postponed the elections of August 2020. The NEBE has suspended election operations due to the Coronavirus crisis. Nobody knows how the parties are going to react. This will be a litmus test as to which parties will demand for the elections to be carried out on time, thus putting people’s health in danger, because they don’t care, and from the other side, who would accept postponement, because they feel responsible. Some parties are gambling with the elections. Elections require gatherings of people, large and small, which as we know is prohibited.
    I have no idea as to what is going to happen with the american elections.

    • Hashela

      Selam Horizon

      I haven’t seen the official communiqué of the NEBE regarding its decision to postpone the Ethiopian General Election in August. The report in Reuters lacks, however, a science-based justifcation. Did the NEBE use model projections under various scenarios to assess the spatio-temporal evolution of Covid-19 in Ethiopia. Doing so, it would inoculate itself from justified criticisms.

      • Selam Hashela,

        The NEBE did not speak of indefinite postponement of the elections. It said it will be decided in the future, depending on the outcome of the pandemic.
        If you are talking about August, 2020, the date of the elections, that is the end of the elections and not the beginning. US politicians had started political campaigning about six months ahead of the date of the elections, if they were not forced to stop. Therefore, what about all the things required before the elections: training of supervisors (10s of thousands of them), pre-election electoral campaigns and gatherings of supporters, etc, which require free movement of people.
        Who can guarantee that 1) the pandemic will be over, for example, in a month or two, when it seems that it has not yet started in African countries, or we don’t know if they will be spared. No one can predict how long the pandemic will last. It is said that the 1918 Spanish Flu lasted until 1920. It was social distancing that finally brought the end of the pandemic. They couldn’t employ it earlier, because people didn’t know about its importance in fighting the pandemic.
        2) Who can say that the virus will not be infectious when healthy carriers of the virus come in contact with healthy people months from now, when we don’t know if the world is in the beginning or the middle of the pandemic. I can’t speak of the end. We are not yet sure if the virus leaves permanent immunity or not. There are cases who seem to have a second infection. What if there is a second surge of the pandemic, if the precautions are loosened prematurely?
        3) Who knows about the social and economic impact of the pandemic, etc.

        All the above points do not support carrying out the elections the earliest in August 2020

        Finally, why hasn’t the Reuters’ reporter told us about the science-based justification that the elections can be carried out during a pandemic?

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ኩላትኩም ውሹባት:

    ኮሮና ዶ ኢሳያስ
    ምስ መኒኦም ምሕዋስ
    ትሓደ ልቢ-ዕብስ ትሓደ ደም-ምፍሳስ
    ኢሳያስ ናብ ዱባይ ኣብ ክንዲ ደምበላስ
    ኮሮና ግን ምሉ ዓለም ምምልላስ

    ኮሮና ኣብ ኤረትራ
    ትሕቲ ዕስራ

    ጥራይ ለኺፉ
    ኢሳያስ ግን ዳርጋ ፍርቂ-ሚልየን ቀዚፉ
    ‘ቶም ምሁራት ኢና ትብሉ ንኢሳይስ ትድግፉ
    ኣለና ኣይትበሉ ብላሽ-ታሪኽ ሂዝኩም ክትሓልፉ
    ከም ሕጂ ከይመስለኩም ኣብ ገዛ-ዓዋተ ተንሳፍፉ
    ንስኹምን ፍልጠትኩምን ዘይትረብሑ

    ከይንብለኩም ግደፉ
    ኣብ ደምኩም ኣትዩ ተጀሊሑ
    መሬት ምስረኤናዮ ወጊሑ
    ፋይልኩም ኩሉ ክሪኦ ተዘርጊሑ

    ኣቤቤቤቤቤቤ….ት! የድሕነና
    ሕጂ ‘ኳ ምሓሸትኩም ኔራ ኮረና
    ሓሊፎም ብሕጽረት ጥዕና
    ምበልና
    የድሕነና

    • Paulos

      ኢንጂኔረ,

      Great poetry, as usual. Keep it up!

      Isaias is nowhere to be found. Maybe he is freaking out of the virus and hiding. If he comes out for a monotone interview though, I bet, he will call it ኣኽሊላዊ ቫይረስ for the virus was named of its resemblance to a crown. I must say, if he is going to leave any positive imprint, it will be his contribution to the enrichment of the Tigrinya language. The rest is of course, a disaster.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Very funny, Doterre! 🙂
        መጀመርታ ቫይረስ ክንብል ከሎና ‘ንታይ ማለት ‘ዩ?
        ኮሮና ዝብል መጸውዒ ከመይ ኢሉ ተዋሂብዎ? መንዩ ‘ኸ ኮሮና ኢሉዎ?
        ንምዃኑ ኮሮና ካበይ ‘ዩ መጺኡ? ብ ኢምፐርያሊስት ኣሜሪካ ዲዩ ዋላ ካብ ካልኦት ሃገራት ‘ዩ?
        እዝን ከምዝን ኣጻሪና ክንፍለጥ ክንክእል ኣለና። ሸንኮለል ምስጀመረ…
        I start rebooting my laptop.

        • Paulos

          ኢንጂኔረ,

          Can you believe it, the guy has become so predictable that we mastered his talking points and style. That is so funny. Well done!

          • Abi

            Paul
            Predictable only on linguistics department. The rest, not so much.

      • Abi

        Paul
        How about ስዋዊ ቫይረስ?
        ስዋ= ቢራ

        • Paulos

          Abination,

          Good guess but Corona is Mexican and I doubt if Isaias ever had it for a drink not so much he never heard about it but it’s alcohol content is so small.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            Any drink with less than 45% alcohol content pass below Isayas’s radar, with no detection.

  • Nitricc

    Greetings Awate: I know a little out of you know what but I am going to ask a favor. I now the rules but I just want to make the point how TPLF thugs are exposed worldwide their corruption and stupidity. I wouldn’t care if it wasn’t for Digital weyane from the so call Adi Niamin. In that sprite, pleas allow me to share the cropping nature of the TPLF thugs. First they destroyed Eritrea, then destroyed Ethiopia now the world.
    Did you ask for evidence? Here it is, please allow it.
    https://youtu.be/AwFTZawOc9k

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Nitricc
      Thank u for the video, every time when this people( tedros people) involved in anything, there is sabotage, there is death, drought, misery, corruption and all bad things. I sometimes wonder if some people was created by devil to do devilish thing as the Mormons belief. this people( tedros people) even allowed for Chinese to open ADGI meat factory in ” debre berhan” abi’s home town and the Chinese started exporting abis to chine and 3A was the one stop the factory.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Teodros Alem,

        It is unbelievable that individuals with this kind of twisted brain exist. You have crossed the line from being plain xyxyxyx to a demented XYXYXY. You add your own religious coloring to it too. It says a lot about you.

        I never read your comments, I don’t know how I did this. Perhaps the “tedros people” caught my eye. I am ashamed of you.

        Mr. K.H

        • Teodros Alem

          selam khQ
          u just a disgraced adogi and proud of it , with no moral values, so what ever u say is nothing but a donkey bray.
          which part of what i say is not true and which one u disagree?

        • Abi

          Mr Kim
          ጫማ እያስጠረክ ነው እንዴ?

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella, did he remind u , ur childhood job( lestro), i heard u guys hand is not QqQ at childhood, the problem will begin after u guys turn 15-16 years old.

  • Mez

    Good day all:

    Corona virus (COVID-19) is hitting hard economies of nations across the globe. Eritrea and Ethiopia are no exceptions. Air and road transportation virtually stopped; governmental institutions and industries heavily understaffed because of the Coronavirus precaution caused restriction of movements and contacts among peoples and communities.
    1)The other day I heard a piece of news on YouTube,
    by Ethiopian officials, on restricting movements of public transportation means for foreseeable couple of days (presumably two weeks).
    2)This announcement caught my attention because of
    the follow-up question I raised to myself: “how are they going to know that the virus spreads further or ebbs from spreading after so many days” was not answered.
    3)There is hardly any “affordable” way of measuring it in a scientific way, except of course guesstimating, hopping, and extrapolating.

    3.1) I am not a virologist but to get some sense of objective measurement, I assume respective responsible institutions may want to take random and sufficient amount of temperature measurement, and the rate (sound and intensity) of someone who have a cough; these are cheap,early detectable, and usable data. Doing basic, albeit primitive, geo-tagged random human temperature measurements across communities, cities and population centers may reflect the rate of spread/or shrinkage of the virus spread. I strongly believe these are very strong objective indicators if done randomly and systematically.

    3.2) Also with some open source sound analysis tools it is quite easy to systematically categorize (at least as the first step of doing of isolation efforts in health facilities) if someone may have this new virus or not.

    Thanks

    • Abi

      Hello Mez
      Glad to see you back. Hope you are doing well.
      Stay well.

    • Paulos

      Mez,

      There is no need to panic for the virus may not have a longer life span in warmer places. That sense of optimism on my part is of course based on my faith in God and my reading about the virus as well. That said, I agree that the people ought to follow the preventive measures preemptively and religiously as in washing hands regularly and social distancing as well. May God protect us all. Stay safe.

    • Mokie Berhe

      Salam Mez. Was in Monrovia back in 2014/2015 and have now been in Brescia 3-weeks running; this is worse for me simply because of so many lost colleagues. New cases have dropped over past couple of days; hope we have peaked out and are now truly on a downward trend. Interesting that no country in equatorial regions has yet to incur a (comparatively) major explosion in case numbers though, testing and underreporting questions abound. Too early assert seasonality/temperature constrained; we continue to hope though.

      • Abi

        Hello mokie
        Do you still practice medicine?
        Stay safe wherever you are.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Mokie; When I read that over 50 doctors lost their lives in Italy and others, I have never thought doctors are just like solders. They go to different war and pay with their lives. They have earned their greatest respect in the world. Saying that their lives could have saved if they had full gear and PPE.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Mez; where have you been? Nice to see you around. when you mention corona and Ethiopia; I still have a very hard time why the ministry of health come out and declared that they are very close in finding the cure for Corona. I thought that was very irresponsible to say. By announcing that, many people won’t take the Pandemic as serious as it is. Trust me, I do believe combining traditional medicin with modern one the way to go and I believe the Ethiopians have found something but you just don’t say it, till you proved it works. by the way Australia will be the first to come up with the cure or vaccine. They are on it. in vitro, they already know that the combination of Choroqein and HIV drugs killed the coronavirus, so they are in to something. till then the Habsha land stick with your Garlics and hot jalapenos.

  • Paulos

    Selam All,

    Virus: A Brief History [Continues from the other day….]

    This is how Carl Zimmer put it—poetically I would say, “The very word Virus begun as a contradiction. We inherited the word from the Roman Empire, where it meant, at once the venom of a snake or the s*men of a man. Creation and destruction in one word.”

    Over the centuries, virus took on another meaning. It signified any contagious substance that could spread disease. It might be fluid, like discharge from a sore. It might be a substance that travelled mysteriously through the air. It might even rest on a piece of paper, spreading disease with the touch of a finger.

    Virus begun to take on its modern meaning only in the late 1800s as we saw it earlier with the works of Mayer and Beijernick in their work on the diseased Tobacco plants. But it soon became clear that, what Beijernick in particular discovered was just one kind of virus among many. In the early 1900s, other scientists used the same method of filters and infections to trace other diseases to other viruses. Eventually, they learned how to cultivate some viruses outside of living animals and plants, using nothing more than colonies of cells growing in dishes or flasks.

    But still these scientists couldn’t agree what viruses actually were. Some argued viruses were simple chemicals. Others thought viruses were parasites that grow inside the cells. The confusion over viruses was so profound that scientists could not even agree if viruses were living or dead. In 1923, the British virologist Frederick Twort boldly claimed that, it was rather impossible to define their nature. They remained a mystery to put it succinctly.

    The confusion begun to clear up with the work of a Chemist named Wendel Stanley. As a Chemistry student, in the 1920s, he learned how to combine molecules into repeating patterns also known as “Polymers” forming crystals. Crystals could reveal things about substances. If you shoot X-rays at crystals, you can observe the directions that the reflected rays bounced away. The patterns produced by the X-rays provide clues to the essence and molecular structure of the crystals.

    In the early 1900s, crystals helped solve the structure of enzymes which had been hitherto unknown. Scientists had long known that enzymes were produced by animals and other living things to break down the food into its smallest particles, for instance. By making enzyme crystals, scientists discovered that, enzymes were made of proteins. Stanley wondered if viruses were made of proteins as well.

    He picked up where Beijernick left off and started working on the fluid of the diseased Tobacco plants. He crystallized the fluid and to his utter surprise, the hitherto unknown virus turned out to be made of proteins as well. But he was not entirely right. Later on in the 1930s, a group of British scientists further discovered that, viruses are not entirely made of proteins but including a molecule called Nucleic Acid as well. More of a protein and less of nucleic acids–viruses were made of.

    Nucleic Acids were to be structurally elucidated in the 1950s in the famous discovery of DNA double helix. DNA is essentially what a Nucleic Acid is. But later on other viruses were found to be made of a less different kind of Nucleic Acid–as in RNA instead. As such, Viruses are categorized in terms of DNA or RNA viruses. HIV is an RNA virus but Smallpox is a DNA virus, for instance.

    What remains or vaguely known to this day is that, why are some types of viruses deadly but others harmless or why some jump from animals to humans and wreck havoc such as the new virus Corona. The plot thickness as stage writers put it but when patience is a virtue with in the scientific community in particular, it is just a matter of time till a brave soul unravels the mystery a step further.

  • Sultan M.G.

    Guregnaw Abi:
    Prof Hailat is teaching you great lessons through Ashmur.
    You should be the liar of the liars to misinform the forum that King Sultan claimed that he was a “Low Level Spy Agent while at GCMS”!
    Am sure you r close to 50 but you opted to act like 5 !
    If the above claim was made under the. nick of Truth, the AT will be excited to help u to retrieve the comment since it will help them to justify their claim that King SULTAN is a liar

    • Abi

      Hello Sultan nebsi
      May be I’m wrong about the nick.
      If not under “Truth” it could be under
      Hope
      Jemal
      Explorer
      Train
      I’m tired already. Will be back with more names.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        Were you really ኢሰፓ? That sucks!

        • Abi

          Paul
          I’m playing along. He always call me ኢሰፖ.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Of course you’re our own honorary Ras. Glad you were never ኢሰፓ as much as I am not Weyane or can never be one but ኩሩ honorary ኢትዮጵያዊ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            What do I do to get this elusive honorary ኤርትራዊነት?
            በጋብቻ አልተሳካም:)

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            On behalf of Awate-Land, I hereby grant you honorary ኤሪትራውነት!

          • Abi

            Paul
            “ያሰብኩት ተሳካ ያለምኩት ደረሰ
            ሃሳቤም ተሟላ መንፈሴም ታደሰ”

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Doterre,
          At one time, weren’t they automatically enlist them if their salary was >500 birr/month? Plus the blue, pajama like uniform 🙂

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            I thought it was a distinction of salary over 500 Birr not so much of ኢሰፓ membership. I could be wrong.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            The guy who told me was a TTI graduate and there might be some kind of jealousy 🙂
            So, you could be right.

          • Abi

            Paul
            That uniform over 500 was called እንከባበር.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            That’s so funny! I knew some stuck up dudes back in Asmara who felt the world revolved around them when they started sporting them blue khaki.

            One can not certainly destroy inequality by making everyone dressing the sane but by smart redistribution of wealth al’a ብልጽግና ፓርቲ. No?

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I watched a clip trucks washing and the streets and buildings, I guess with some kind of liquid, it must be some kind of chemical. I don’t know I am guessing here. But the enemy is virus not typhoid or cholera. Instead, Ethiopia should stop all alcohol and beer production and produce hand sanitizers and alcohol wipes. That way many lives could benefit. The far sighted Eritrean government already started doing that. No more Asmara beer but Asmara Sanitizer. Good job PFDJ. in different take; the other day I heard PMAA saying we stopped flying over 80 destination; come on PMAA, I like you but please show some class. You have no choice they told you can’t fly to their country. I was calling on you to stop flying to Wuhan in the most critical times and you never stop but you no choice they told, we don’t want you. Why trick people like you stopped flying willingly. come on man. Anyway, I have public interest to share. for this dangerous times, you need to strength your immune system with some worthy supplements. one of them is called Black Cumin Seed oil. It comes in gel-capsules, 1000Mg. take it, two of them daily. strong antioxidant and great support for respiratory system.

  • Abi

    Hello Sultan
    You told us you were involved in spying activities when you were in Gonder reporting to a certain captain. ( I think you were “Truth” when you lied to us)
    You change your stories and names nonchalantly.
    The problem of lying is you forget the first lie and contradict yourself with another lie.
    Don’t lie at Awatenation. Some of us never forget interesting stories.

    • Haile S.

      ጀታው ቅዱስ፡ እንደምን ኣደሩ፡

      እርስዎ እያሉ ምን ኣስፈለገ እግዚኣብሔሩ
      ከሱ በላይ የፍጡርን ተግባር ሲመዘግቡ ሲቋጥሩ

      • Abi

        ጋሽዬ
        የሰውን ታሪክ ሳነብ ስመዘግብ
        እንድይዋሹ እንዲገዙ ልብ
        የሆነ ያልሆነ ገድል እንዳይቀባጥሩ
        ቃላቸውን እንዲመረምሩ
        ተማሪህ ሲቀርብ ከትምህርት ገበታ
        እንዳይዋሽ እንዳያምታታ
        ስንዴውን ከእንክርዳድ ለይቼ ልመታ!

  • Nitricc

    When you read this data which was compiled from the internet but what comes to your mind? What is the future? Africans love making babies but the rate they are going is unattainable and their sustainability is danger.

    Ethiopia
    1990- 48 million people
    2020-112 million people
    2050-205 million people
    Sudan!
    2020 42 million people
    2030 81 million people
    Somalia!
    2020-15 million people
    2050-35 million people
    South-Sudan!
    2020-11 million people
    2050- 20 million people
    Eritrea
    2020- 4 million people
    2050 6.5 million people

    • Abi

      Hello General
      ይህ ቁጥር የሚያሳየው እነዚህ አገሮች ያደረጉት የለውጥ እንቅስቃሴ ሴቶችን የሚያቅፍ መሆኑን ነው::

      • Samuel

        Selam Abi,
        I like it, I don’t think he gets the sense of humor, good one. At least we got a common ground on this. May be wit and humor can bridge our differences. They say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

        Thanks,

        • Abi

          Hello Samuel
          Glad you found it humorous. The two blind mice could not see it, naturally.
          I hope we find many things that could get us closer.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Ras Abiy;I have never thought Rad Abiy will seek an acceptance from TPLF goons. Disappointed. Have some bones and stand up for what you believe. The TPLF thug throws you a bone and you abandon your principles and you took the bone and run with it. Shame on you. You must know it is a matter what of time because they betray you, that what they do best.

          • Abi

            Hello General
            You know in this forum there are many people I don’t see eye to eye in many aspects. That doesn’t stop us from sharing jokes. Some times you drop the boring stuff for a minute and share a laughter.
            I am disappointed you missed the humor in my reply to your comment.
            Chill General.

          • Nitricc

            ras Abiy; just checking but where is Aman-H? I hope he is okay. Since you have all the information can you tell us about Aman-H where about? I hope he is okay.

          • Abi

            Hello General
            I was thinking about him.
            እረኛው ከብቶቻቸውን ሊሰበስቡ ስለመጡ ጥያቄህን ወደ እሳቸው መርቼዋለሁ::

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy; the only people I met personally people on this forum is, three people and none of them are from the US. One I Japan, one in Israeli and the other was in Thailand. And in all occasion I got caught logging in to Awate.com. I will post one day the stories. It is very funny way. Till I do that I have a question for you, how do you like Aman Honybal from UK was terminally sick? I mean, how many more Awete people do you personally you know? May be I will restore your Ras authority after your disastrous action of yesterday.

          • Abi

            Hello General
            I never met anyone from Awate family.
            I just pay attention to what they write.
            Abraham told us he was terminally ill.
            Do you know Teg Vet Mahmud has four sons? I remember the day his eldest graduated from college. By the way, the college was four hours drive from his home? How do I know? He told us as soon as he got back from the graduation.
            Do you know you are the first person to congratulate me when my son was accepted to the university?
            Do you know you are the person who said that I am Gondere? I’m still laughing. How did you know?
            I used to pay attention when I was new . Not anymore.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,

            You have been battling with everybody at one time or another. It is also interesting you are asking about the where about of your main Awatista opponents, Amanuel Hidrat.

            I don’t know him even though I feel I know him just by reading his comments. I think he is fine. I read his comments few days ago, on this thread.
            As always he is very particular about certain words, and the definition of those words. He is the guardian of those socialist terms of yesteryear and more.

            Amanuel Hidrat, at least at this site, does not have a sense of humor. However, I can tell you that I have the loudest and continues laughter when I was following the debates between A. H and SAAY few years ago.
            In the middle of their heated debate, A.H attempted to redefine an important word. As soon as I read his post I started to laugh really hard because I knew that saay was going bananas. Within minutes I saw someone was typing in response, I could not stop laughing until, yes as I envisioned, saay unloaded on Amanuel promising never to engage with him again. It was memorable.
            Few months later they were discussing again.
            Where is SAAY?
            Where is Hayet Adem?
            Wishing them all the best.

            Mr. K.H

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

            One of Bob Marley’s lyrics go, “…Good people we knew, good people we lost along the way….” Sure I don’t say it in a macabre sense but some people seem to have left the Forum for good even though Sal is like Halley’s comet who reappears once in seventy years.

            I suspect Abiy may have taken away Hayat’s internet access privileges in a bid to punish those who root for the Weyanes. Legend also has it that, Awate is far more stronger than the force of gravity unless one maintains a critical escape-velocity to overcome the powerful attraction. Hayat may have found it. Wish her well including the others–Muhamuday, Tsatse, Ismail AA, Sal, Haile TG and many more.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Nice try.
            I remember Hayat once said she goes to the public library to get internet access.
            Of course, only yours truly paid attention.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Oh she said that? I didn’t know. We miss her though.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I was her defense when everybody was hanging up at her. I was the only one sending her flowers. She became a totally different person after the peace agreement.
            AG ( I called him Angel Gabriel) was her feeder from the high tplf goons.
            If I tell you I miss her, I must be lying to you.

            Have you noticed she was the only person with a Muslim name who has never wrote a single word in Arabic? Not that it matters but it is kind of suspicious. You know…

          • Hashela

            Abi

            the world of natural science lost the most astute observer to the social sciences

          • Abi

            Hashela
            At Awatenation the reverse is sometimes true.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            We are characters on the screen save some who know each other in person. That said however, for me the most fascinating character was ጻጸ for he was unique in a lot of ways.

            I certainly don’t know Hayat from Adam so to speak and I don’t have the slightest intention or interest to know who she is or anyone else in this Forum for that matter but I mostly agreed with what she stood for and the same with others few as well. At the end of the day, we all go minding our own private businesses but of course we have to respect stupidity for it comes with the flow. We can not avoid it.

          • iSem

            Hi Paul
            awate has been slow for me and I did not respond to some of your comments that I wanted to
            For me LT was the most fascinating
            It is interesting, you start off with bad not with some peope and you grow to love them and vice-vers
            take Simon K, we had bad start, now I like him, I do not agree with him in some issues
            Take MS, I love him and now…
            I have talked to two people that I know from here and both are now bad ppl, one is secterian tarnishing his mentors in smedia and one pfdj supporter
            But when you go see Saleh to pick that book, can you pick this book for me as it is very expensive to buy second had now
            how to write best selling book by Dean R koontz
            Abi: Do not say when everyone… I also defended HAdem

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            LT was probably using Google translation to write in English from what ever language he was at ease with. And I must say, it was one of the most messed up English I have ever read in this Forum. Yes I agree, the guy was unique as well but no match to the brilliant and eccentric ጻጸ.

            There certainly is conflict of personalities and rubbing of inflated egos as well not to mention the anger, extreme hate and creating alliances against someone but again at the end of the day, the medium is a virtual world with a deceptive feeling as if it is real. We should learn to let it go including the stuff we hear that hurts the most. Forgiveness heals the soul including in this great Forum. Stay safe.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I gave up on ጻጸ long time ago. It takes the whole day to understand what he is trying to say.
            LT was somewhere in Sweden. I used to ask him if he is suffering from brain freeze.

            Where is Peace!?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Oh was he? I thought he was from Germany.

            True, I haven’t seen “Peace” in a while. Maybe he got disillusioned with Abiy for he had so much hope in him when the da*mn Weyanes were slapped left and right with Game-Over bumper sticker. The same thing with Beyan, he hasn’t been around in a long while. I guess some give up and some keep pressing on like Sal and Aya Saleh. It could be a matter of reality and a matter of stamina as well but one thing is for sure, those who fight for a just cause win no matter how long it takes. I digress.

          • Abi

            Paul
            The Game-Over መፈክር is right. You see the weyanes are quarantined in mekele.
            እጃቸውም ከመንግስት ካዝና ተሰብስቧል:: በዘፈቀደ ማሰርና ማሰቃየትም ቀርቶባቸዋል::
            አሁን የቀራቸው በደህና ጊዜ ያጠራቀሙትን ውስኪ እያጣጣሙ እራሣቸውን ችለው ጎጆ እንዲወጡ ማመልከቻ ማቅረብ ብቻ ነው::

            አትሸኟትም ወይ አትሸኟትም ወይ
            መሄዷ አይደለም ወይ
            ( ተድራ ለምትሄድ በየሰርግ ቤቱ የሚዘፈን ነው)

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella , is the whiskey blue level?
            Wh all know this reform thing is mainly to arrange a escape route to woyanes criminals, it is all known form the beginning and don’t act smart the other side too used it as scapegoat. but they accomplish thier target by making it official that N shawa QqQ . the point is the people of tigrai and u AQZs remain tella.

          • Abi

            iSem
            Of course you and Fanti were here supporters. I was the bulldog for her.

            I agree with you that LT was the most interesting character in this place.
            If you remember his “ football “ comment , please post it.
            Thanks

          • iSem

            Hi Abi:

            It to Hayat, I think it goes something like this

            “Stop your animal football games and never clash with me”

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy actually the great LT said ” Stop eating your animal football games and never clash with me” the problem was he was writing it in Swedish and he was converting it to English using Google. That was the reason he was coming up will all funny things.

          • Abi

            General
            Thanks.
            Do you know the peculiar method he used to distinguish an Eritrean from an Ethiopian? He said he can easily distinguish between the two by simply checking their teeth.
            I used to get mad at him before I knew it was all “lost in translation “

            I missed LT the great .

          • Nitricc

            Nice!!!!! Ras Abiy: at this time of tech who goes to library ? A digital weyane who wants to stay elusive. This IP things can expose every one, so going to library is the way to it. Nice detective work; Ras Abiy.

          • Abi

            General
            I see you have already restored my title.

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            There was a moment once the two were debating where Ato Amanuel said “he threw the towel “. I asked Ato Amanuel if he is shaving while debating Saay. Of course he didn’t get it. Saay knew what I was saying. I really enjoyed their debate sometimes with a little fire into their debate. What makes it beautiful is that Saay is extremely sarcastic and Ato Amanuel never gets it.
            I’m glad you enjoyed their debate as much as I do.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kim; I may fight with people and at times over the line but at the end, we are all family. True, I care about people on this forum but there some who bring the worst of me. Some times I read back what i have posted and feel shame and embarrassment. I have no problems with people who are against the government, it is fair and it is their right but what I the problem is when they attack the people of Eritrea and Eritrea. Aman-H is who gave up his youth for his country and I respect that but he committed very laps of judgement when he went to the Tplf goons and slept with them. I have said what I thoughts exactly and I am done with it but it doesn’t mean I don’t care about him. On the same token I was thinking about Ismail AA; I hope he is okay. But I have never worried about Hayat never left; she just changed her name from Hayat a lady from lowland of Eritrea to poulos a man from Adi-Namin. They think we are stupid. Please. I am just happy to see you around and you are well.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Abiy; may be is it because of one man is serving seven women? i.e. it could be degrading too. if you get my drift.

        • Teodros Alem

          Salem Nitricc
          One man serving seven women is not degrading degrading, one women serving seven man for seven “birr”(each 1 birr) or “nakefa” is real degrading.
          abi has mommy issues, he is talking about his own fam experience.

          • Nitricc

            One man serving seven women is not degrading degrading, one women serving seven man

            Hi Teddy; what is the difference? I don’t understand why one man serving seven women is not degrading but one woman serving seven man is degrading. either they are both wrong or both right. Don’t get it. explain.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            considering the natural of man and women, considering the nature of wife, sister, mother,
            Women is not a women if she doesn’t respect herself.
            Basically if women doesn’t respect herself she is not a women but prostitutes but man(-isemgs) naturally can’t be prostitutes.
            this abi said was “the change comes because man hug women , he didn’t say women hug man.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Teddy; I disagree, self worth and respect doesn’t have a gender. It could be the thinking of the old school but time has change. Once somebody told me that the Germen’s adage. Beat your wife once a week, even if you don’t why” you see how backward Germens were but time has changed and they changed and their leader is a woman. So, if you believe in equality, justice and fairness, let’s be fair. I bet you 90% people on this forum agree with your take but you are brave to say it out loud, even if is wrong.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Nitticc,

            Not just a woman, but also has a Ph.D. in Physics/Chemistry.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            It is nothing to do with gender equality. It is all about human(man and women) nature and man and human nature is still the same , except unnatural g#y and lesb”””#.
            If women doesn’t respect herself she is not a women but a prostitute but man naturally can’t be like a women and the vice versa.
            women and man r equal in every thing except women is women and man is man, like man can’t be pregnant , women can’t have mel organ and so on

        • Abi

          Hello General
          I did not get your drift. You kind of drifted away .

    • Sultan M.G.

      Gen:
      The Eri Population shall double in 5-10 yrs once the system is gone for good.

  • Teodros Alem

    selam sultan mg
    I think u r twisted heart xxxxxxxx, there r a lot of prove from ur writing to constantly changing names and so on.
    i know u don’t admit it but it is known u r twisted zombie zemb and i don’t expect u will admit it.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Teddie:
      That twisting thing and nick changing trick was learned from as part of my Training as a “Low Level Spy Agent”….. Security and Intelligence 101 Course!

      • Teodros Alem

        selam sultan mg
        Yea, i thought it is something to do with hereditary.

        • Sultan M.G.

          Tediyye:
          U didn’t even understand my basic English!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            Me to but it don’t change the fact that ur idiotness.

  • Paulos

    Selam Horizon,

    Of course, it is illogical and immoral to allege one of a crime that had been committed by one’s immediate family members or parents. One certainly ought to be judged solely on his or her merits.

    But more often than not, offsprings would carry on their forefathers dreadful legacies out of spite and vengeance where Gugsa’s stupid move could partially be explained as such.

    What was interesting about HS Gugsa was that, one would have expected the Dergue to sympathize with him for he was supposedly anti the King but the Dergue put him under house arrest for the remainder of his life based on the fact that, his crime was taken for a treason—and of course it was treason.

    Don’t mean to go on a tangent but the King himself was accused as such when he left the nation for Britain [in the middle of the invasion] and sadly those true patriots who accused him were hanged where the extraordinary Belay Zeleke comes to mind. As they say, history is written by the victor.

    • Selam Paulos,

      It is said that many love treason, because it serves their purpose, but never the traitor himself, because they are afraid that he will betray them as well. That is what the Derg did to HS Gugsa. If he could betray his country, in no time he would have betrayed anyone else.

      HS acted unfairly and even criminally to Ethiopian patriots who opposed his return to the throne, because according to Ethiopian patriots, a leader should not leave the front under any circumstances. His fate was to win the war or die at the front fighting. Fortunately, this concept made Ethiopia’s existence a reality. These were also the times when an Ethiopian shouldn’t lie down to shoot, but standing tall and strong, thus defying the enemy. There was no concept of guerrilla warfare, which was developed later on during the struggle against fascist occupation.

      Unfortunately, warfare changed from using spears and swords to using guns, canons, tanks, airplanes, and even poisonous gas, in Ethiopia’s case. Spears and swords and some thousands of guns were inadequate before these modern munitions.

      There was also international politics Ethiopian patriots had no idea about, and winning foreign supporters was vital. Otherwise, going it alone would have ended no doubt in Ethiopia being an Italian colony.

      In my opinion, a dead king was no better than a living king who could present the plight of his nation to the league of nations, even with his security guaranteed, unlike Ethiopian patriots who were fighting the enemy. I do not say that it would have changed the fate of Ethiopia, if it had not been for WWII that brought Britain against Italy, nor the patriots alone would have been able to keep Ethiopia a free nation, had it not been for the help of Britain.
      Similar case was the treaty of Wuchale and the ensuing battle of Adwa. It was appeasing the beast without knowing that it was not trustworthy and insatiable.

      • Paulos

        Selam Horizon,

        Leaders ought to be judged and measured with in the parameters and realities of their own times. King Haileselassie is not an exception either. I understand and appreciate the sensitivity of his stature where many people–for valid reasons–take offence when one sees him in a positive light but we can not afford to be shrouded with emotions if we are to remain critical including in our assessment of historical events or personalities including the King who had a tremendous impact on Ethiopia perhaps more than any other leader—in my opinion that is. One reason being, he was at the critical juncture when the nation transitioned from backwardness into modernity not only in material but in thought and mindset as well.

        Moreover, it is my conviction that, it was a strategically brilliant move for him to deny a total victory to the fasc*st Italians lest capture him, instead he opted to wait out in a foreign land by appealing to the powers be. Winston Churchill in particular believed in him when the others—Anthony Eden, for instance, with his racist flair–didn’t think much of him. In the end, Churchill was right, the man had extraordinary and steeled determination, sense of mission and faith in God including good luck on his side to see Ethiopia not only coming out of the war but to transform the nation into modernity as well. Again, in my opinion, his action was not treasonous but bold and smart.

        Certainly, in the end, he couldn’t recognize the rapid social and political changes rattling the country including the generational changes that had brought about radical political standings. History is replete with “ifs” and “should have beens” and only heaven knows how the country would have faired if he had listened to the progressive minds around him—Mikael Imru among others, for instance–when they advised him to relinquish power into a Constitutional Monarchy right after the debacle of the Neway brothers for it was a prelude for what had come a decade and half later. All in all however, history should be fair to him for he was one of a kind in his own right.

        • Abi

          Paul
          Agreed 1000%.
          ፀሐዩ ንጉሥ በስተመጨረሻ ጨለመባቸው እንጂ አገሪቱን (ኤርትራን ጨምሮ) ለማሳደግና ሉአላዊነቷን ለማስጠበቅ ሳይታክቱ ደክመዋል::

          “ኃይለሥላሴ ሃዋርያ
          የለውጥ መሪ ባለሙያ”

          ነፍሳቸውን ከገነት ያቆይልን::

        • Samuel

          Selam Paulos,
          I disagree with your assessment on the “Moreover, it is my conviction that, it was a strategically brilliant move for him to deny a total victory to the fasc*st Italians lest capture him, instead he opted to wait out in a foreign land by appealing to the powers be”,
          Again, in my opinion, his action was not treasonous but bold and smart instead.”

          In the same token are we going to praise Mengstu Hailemariam fleeing to Zimbabwe? Can we say he did brilliant move to deny TPLF/EPLF a total victory? Let say MH comes back to Ethiopia after 30 years of exile, how could such defection be considered as brilliant move? Or is it different when it comes to Europeans? Does it mean when it comes to Italians it is considered as brilliant move but not with TPLF/EPLF because it was a civil war?
          Note that EPLF’s struggle wasn’t civil war, it was independence war, thus based on your argument Mengstu Hailemariam defection to Zimbabwe should be considered as strategic move.

          Unless we rationalize differently, if a leader leaves his own people and country for any reason then it shouldn’t be considered as smart move, it is simply treasonous.
          Tewodros II didn’t do it, Yohannes IV didn’t do it, Menelik II didn’t do it, thus to characterize HS’s defection as strategic defection is a mistake.

          After he came back from defection he bombed his own people, he killed and hanged his own citizens publicly. He exceptionally oppressed one social group to promote his evil political interest, how could was say “the King had a tremendous impact on Ethiopia perhaps more than any other leader”?, I am guessing the “impact” you are referring is is positive impact.

          My firm stand is a leader should be measured by what he did to his people and country, not by what he did to others or his west clients (US and UK). Even though we should appreciate what he has done to African countries, however what he did to Ethiopia and Ethiopians don’t need that much praise. It is true he was an honest loyal to the west, but not to Ethiopians or some Ethiopians.

          If Bob Marley hadn’t sung about HS, if Jamaican’s hadn’t misinterpret Marcus Garvey prophecy, and most importantly if HS wasn’t the trustworthy client of the west, HS would have been remembered the opposite, as you said it in your previous post “history is written by the victor”, Shoan elites did what they do best, they promoted him to be close to God.

          Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            Well, it seems, we are comparing onions and oranges when we try to draw a parallel between the King’s action to deny the Fasci*ts a total victory and Mengistu’s cowardice flee.

            First of, the Italians not only were a foreign power with a colonial ambition but they set out to avenge decades old bitter defeat when “Black Savages” humiliated them when Eugenics was the established credo with in the scientific community. More over, if they had their hands on the King, they would have either hanged him in public to break the moral of the people or they would have made him sign an agreement to make Ethiopia Italian colony for it was Italy’s long term strategy. Remember, the Italians were brutal and uncompromising when they hanged in public the three brothers–Wesenseged, Atnafseged and Biru who were the sons of Ras Kassa Hailu who were also older brothers of the only surviving son Asrate-Kassa. The Italians promised them clemency if they surrendered but hanged them instead. That was the harsh reality and the King clearly understood it when he opted to campaign from abroad to rally the powers against Italian aggression. Moreover, General Wingate took the call to help him out to ultimately defeat the Italians when he realised that, the King was a no nonsense personality but serious and determined where the foreign powers could do business with not so much for personal gains but a person who could lead. That was precisely the reason a person like Churchill believed in him.

          • Abi

            Paul
            ቸርችል ጎዳና
            ካኒንግሃም ጎዳና
            ዊንጌት ሁለተኛ ደረጃ ት/ቤት
            በችግራችን ጊዜ ለደረሱልን የቁርጥ ቀን ጀግኖች በአዲስ አበባ ከተማ በመታሰቢያነት ይኖራሉ::
            መለስ ዜናዊ የመቃብር ሥፍራ …

  • Paulos

    Selam All,

    Virus: A History or Sort of A Brief History.

    The Dutch may have given us the very essence of Capitalism not of course in its Marxist sense where Capital is taken for the machinery in the early 19th Century Europe [Manchester and Liverpool among others] where human labour was brutally exploited but the Hamiltonian sense of Capital instead where the financial world was studded with new terms as in Bonds, Shares, Stocks, Options and other colourful financial instruments. Moreover, the Netherlands, being the most liberal country in Europe, opened its hands to the prosecuted in thought including in religious heresy, political dissent where Voltaire comes to mind and later on the latter-day Puritans way before they made their final destination in the New World—America. The Dutch had made their names in the Sciences as well beside the invention of the microscope among other notables.

    As it so happens in history, 19th Century Dutch was stricken with a plague that had taken its toll in the agriculture to the extent where its Tobacco plantation and product was practically decimated. The pathogen that had caused the devastating plague had remained elusive if not completely unknown till an Agricultural Chemist named Adolph Mayer came to the scene for help. Mayer carefully studied the disease where he named there after, “Tobacco Mosaic Disease.”

    He did a thorough research to figure out the cause including where the plants grew—the soil, the temperature, the sunlight. He was out of luck for he could not find anything whatsoever that distinguishes the healthy plants from the sick ones. Perhaps he thought the plants were suffering from an invisible infection. Plant scientists before him had already established that Fungi can could infect potatoes and other plants and Meyer searched for Fungus on the Tobacco plants but he couldn’t find any. He also looked for parasites if they could be the case but again, he couldn’t find either. The mystery dragged on to no end in sight.

    He later on extracted a sap from the sick Tobacco plants and injected drops into the healthy ones. The healthy plants became sick. He realised that some microscopic pathogen must be multiplying inside the plants. He took sap from the sick plants and incubated it in his laboratory. Colonies of bacteria started to grow. They became large enough where he was able to see them with his naked eye. But here was the tricky part and the puzzle started to kick in.

    He applied the bacteria to healthy plants hoping that the plants would get sick as a result but to his chagrin, nothing happened to the healthy plants—they remained healthy. The plot thickened and the fog remained nebulous so to speak. Meyer gave up but a few decades later another Dutch scientist named Martinus Beijernick picked up where Meyer left off. In a stroke of imagination, he reasoned if something other than the bacteria was making the Tobacco plants sick—something far smaller. He ground up diseased plants and passed the fluid through a fine filter that blocked both plant cells and the bacteria. When he injected the clear fluid into the healthy plants, they became sick!

    He filtered the juice from the newly infected plants and found that he could infect still more Tobacco. Something in the sap of the infected plants—something smaller than bacteria could replicate itself and could spread the disease. In 1898, Beijernick called it a “Contagious Living Fluid.” The contagious living fluid was different from any other kind Biologists of that era or before them knew about. It was completely a new frontier of uncharted territories so to speak.

    Whatever it was, was not only incredibly small but it was tough as well where adding alcohol could not alter its infective nature–as Beijernick did. Heating the fluid to a boiling point could not affect it either. Beijernick was puzzled. He soaked filter paper in the infectious sap and let it dry. Three months later, he could dip the paper in water and use the solution to sicken the plants. It was then for the first time, Beijernick used the word “Virus” to describe the mysterious agent in his contagious living fluid. But of course, he didn’t know if the agent was an animal, a plant, a fungi or a plant. He simply didn’t know and couldn’t say either. As we are to this day.

    P.S. Most of it is taken from a book titled, “A Planet Of Viruses.” Author: Carl Zimmer.

    • iSem

      Hi Paul:
      Welcome back. Again you have enriched the forum and so I propose a science column, where you can pen a quarterly short articles like this, instead of such gems getting buried here. From economic, to nutrition and fasting and now viruses you have enriched this forum

      Now from memory: I think you are talking about the tulip crash, which some times is dubbed as the first dotcom crash.People speculated on tulips and when this plants got sick, the market crashed
      But human beings have been attacked with worth plagues before and most notable bubonic plague or the black plague which wiped out almost 50% of Eruope;s population and even reached North Africa originated from China
      For Euope that was a wake up call because the kings and priests who billed themselves as God’s earthly representatives could note cure the people, the witches who had exploited the peasants could not cure them. So inquiry began to find truth, people invested in science and then nascent renaissance bloomed, then enlightenment and industrial revolution followed and all has tremendously enhanced human life and happiness

      • Paulos

        Selam Semerile,

        You encapsulated the watersheds in a single paragraph. Well said! And many thanks for the kind words. Would love to do the regular column as you suggested but can’t commit due to time constraints and other factors as well but will try to make efforts to enrich us on varied topics. Again thanks for the vote of confidence.

        What I had in mind was, the pioneers in pulling money in terms of bonds and stocks when the Dutch in the early 17th Century clearly understood the irresistible allure of Capitalism when they became the prime lenders to nations when the latter particularly Great Britain needed money in an effort to contain the aggression of Napoleon, for instance. But that Certainly is an interesting topic for another time. Stay safe.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Doterre,
          I second to brother Semere’s.
          I always wonder what our people were doing all these centuries?
          BTW, what is with theses viruses and lungs?

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            Will continue on the history of Viruses tomorrow, God willing that is. And will try to comment on the Corona along with it. Stay safe ዛዓርከይ.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            Just curious if the smokers [not damaged lungs] fare better at this virus, since you said the virus is weaker in hotter regions.

          • Paulos

            ማሃንድሳይ,

            Great thinking. No wonder you’re an Engineer.

            That is not the case though. There is something called Surfactant which helps the Lung to expand and contract and one of the damages smoking causes is that, it destroys the elasticity of the Lung where in the long run it becomes fibrotic in which the Lungs essentially turn into a sack or ሓጎስ ክሻ. The immune system that protects the Lungs are embedded with in the layers of the Surfactant and Capillaries as well and smoking destroys the immune system along the way. That is precisely the reason, chronic smokers are susceptible to infections including viral infections where eventually it becomes a cluster of symptoms otherwise known as COPD or Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you, Doterre!
            I was just thinking if they heat up the lung area to weaken the virus strength but as explained smoking is not the answer 🙂
            Funny, I am just listening “ሓጎስ ክሻ በል ክትድረር” ብ ኣለና [ረድኢ መሓረና]

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            Yea I like the guy particularly his sense of honesty and integrity. Will watch the video. Thanks for the info.

            Not sure if you remember the comedian መምህር ኣለማየሁ later ግራዝማች. He did stand up comedy with ማትኣ. And had a recorded jokes on cassettes where one of the jokes was about the benefits of smoking. He says, smoking is good and it can protect one from burgglers at night where they run away when one coughs harder.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            That’s very funny, Doterre!
            Yes, I remember መምህር ኣለማየሁ but I don’t recall about the smoking joke 🙂

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት!

    ኣነ ሓያል
    ኣነ ኣንጻር-ሓላል
    ተሞኩሮይ ምድንጋር ምትላል
    ኣነ ናይ ጸገም ጽላል
    ናተይ ክእለት ናይ ጭንቀት ዕላል
    ቀይዲ-ፈተሕ ብዘይ ልጓም ምህላል
    ተስፋ ቑረጹ ካብ ምምህላል
    ኣለኒ ሓደ ምሁር ናይ ኣእምሮ ዘባል
    ጥዑይ ይመስል ክትሪኦ ብኣካል
    ተሸካሚ ዘይንቡር-ልቢ ‘ንዳረኣየ ሓባል
    ምሁር ‘የ በሃሊ
    ንጥፍ ኣት ኤረትራ ደው ዝበለ ናተይ ሓላል
    ናይ ህግደፍ ኣባል

    ዝብሉኒ
    ምሁራት ኢና ዝብሉ
    ደገፍቲ ኣለዉኒ

    ምሁር ‘የ ድማ ይብል
    ድሕር ዘይብል
    ዜጋታቱ ከሰንክል

    ኣብ ምብራቕ-ኣሜሪካ ኮፍ ኢሉ
    ንህግደፍ ኣይትንቀፉለይ ኢሉ
    ምሁራት ህግደፍ ከምስሉ
    ደቂ ሃገር ኢና ይብሉ
    ኣፎም በሊሕ ልቦም ግን ሓቲሉ
    ኣይፈለጡን ምበር ልቦም ‘ውን ሰንኪሉ
    መፍትሕ ሓንጎሎም ተሓቢኡ ብዓዋሉ
    ከምዚ ርእሲ ተሸከመ ሕዘኑሉ

  • Paulos

    Selam Samuel,

    For some reason, Disqus won’t let me comment on the “Reply.” My apologies.

    Paul Henze cites the extensive works of Professor Gebru Tereqe as the latter has done major researches on the genesis of the First Weyane in particular. If I am not mistaken, Tareqe says, Weyane was a sort of game frequented and played by the young in Southern Tigray where the ወይ-ኣነ seems a guess at best if not very compelling for the curious mind. I am out of town right now but when I get back home sometime next week, will check Paul Henze’s book [Layers Of Time] and see what he had exactly said about the genesis of the word–Weyane.

    • Samuel

      Selam Paulos,
      Good to see you.
      It is true that first Woyane (ቀዳማይ ወያነ) was started in Southern Tigray (Raya and Enderta), later on it got expanded to Temben, Agame, Adwa, Axum and Shire, I haven’t heard or read “ወይ-ኣነ” was a game played in Southern Tigray, I will try to explore.
      According to “ካሳ ሃይለ ማርያም ረዳ” book named “ቀዳማይ ወያነ – ገረብ ዓረና ወያነ ትግራይ” who is the son of first Woyane commander “ብላታ ሃይለ ማርያም ረዳ”, he wrote his book based on his father’s diary and official documents collected. He describes in the book how the name evolved, he doesn’t indicate “ወይ-ኣነ” was a game played in Southern Tigray. I will explore.

      Thanks,

      • Sultan M.G.

        Selam Samuel:
        Dr AAA just appointed a seasoned and well educated as well as a well experienced Senior Tigraway Diplomat, Ato MihreteAb Mulugheta Haile , who happened to be a PP’s member, as an Amb to Eritrea.

        Have your say!

        • Paulos

          Capo,

          Are you familiar with the history of Dej. Haile-Selassie Gugsa? If you are not, check him out not of course six feet under but in the company of Benedict Arnold.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Dottore:
            I knew you will SHOW UP and I brought this topic purposely.
            Am MihreteAb seems to be related PIA.
            I know a bit about Dej Haile-Sillasie and the wekipedia has enough documentation on him:
            -From Solomonic Dynasty ( myth)/Grandson of Hatsey Yohanes IV
            -Commander of the S Tigrai Region during the Ethiopian-Italian war/
            -Betrayed Ethiopia by surrendering to the Italians….

          • Paulos

            Capo,

            The joy of opening a book, flipping through the pages and of course the smell of the book can match no amount of happiness. Who would rely on Wiki? I personally don’t, except for a quick referral or check. That includes history books as well. I read about Haileselassie Gugsa on history book where the man was anything but principled where his grudges were based on tacky stuff if you will where he was bitter the fact that he was not made a Ras. And decided to defect to the Italians. The Italians fully aware of his vices, they made him a Ras. Sure enough, Italy lost the war, so did he including when the Dergue came to power where he was shunned as well for he sided with the enemy on account of personal gains not of a political convictions. Every era has its own Quislings, Benedicts, Gugsas and the new guy assigned to Eritrea. No surprise there!

          • Abi

            Paul
            ጭንቅላት ለሌለው ራሥ ምን ያደርግለታል ብለው ነው ፋሽስቶቹ ካባ የጫኑለት?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            The guy probably had serious problems in his head. He was married to the oldest daughter of King Haileselassie but he was so abusive to her and she had to leave him for good. The falling out with the King started then when the King denied him promotion–for valid reason I would say. He was not only stupid but I suspect unstable as well. His grandfather Yohannes was notoriously patient, Minilik was calculating and Tewodros was bold but reckless, Haileselassie Gugsa was neither.

          • Abi

            Paul
            This is what I missed in your absence.
            አንተ ጠፍተህ ዝንብ እሽ ስል ከረምኩልህ::
            እኔስ በዛው ትሸፍታልህ ( ወይ አነ ) ብዬ ሰግቼ ነበር::
            ጨጋር ዳንጋ ቢሸፍት እስከጏሮ መሆኑን ዘነጋሁት::
            መሪጌታ እንኳን በደህና ተመለሱ ብለናል!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I have been called a lot of things before and I usually brush it off but when the usual suspects called me a “Mercenery” it hurt and I took it hard. I come here to learn and of course to chill with my cool bros like you. Stay safe.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Some times people use unnecessary words to show off their nationalism.
            If somebody calls you “mercenary “ it only shows that the person doesn’t know the meaning of the word.
            Stay safe brother.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selamat Dr.Paulos:
            I don’t believe you have been abuse like few of us being considered as PFDJ Apologists to the extent of being “ DESPISED” for being so.
            Bring up past history is not a crime and makes one a “ Mercenary”!
            It is just not an ideal topic for most Eritreans to bring up what is perceived as a controversial history for obvious reasons!
            Beyond that, who would not love to learn from you?
            FYI:
            I love history and Linguistics( I did well in History, Ge’ez , English and even in Amharic in my ESLCE/ Matriculation, which helped my GPA to hit 4!,thereby helped me to get into ….. School.
            Was not the best in math and Physics.
            Was able to master Arabic in 4th grade and Italian during my “Novitiate Year” …. but lost them since I never used them for 36 yrs or more.
            My point is that I love history .
            Just keep your strong stand that ERITREA is an Independent and Sovereign Nation like all other African colonies and that past Ethiopian history cannot change this FINAL and BINDING status!
            Let the natural process take things to the next level !
            Most Eritreans do not see the relevance of narrating the Ethiopian history here at The Awate University(the word AWATE matters)!
            Secondly, on the same token, admiring and crediting the TPLF and its Leadership has the same implication here at the same AWATE UNIV… taking into consideration the recent history !

          • Paulos

            Capo,

            Duly noted. I appreciate. Thank you so much!

        • Abi

          Sultan
          ኢሱ ተሻረ እንዴ?
          አልሰማሁም ነበር::

        • Samuel

          Selam Sultan M.G.,
          PMAA is learning fast from Shoan books. The fact that PMAA appointed the grandson of Haile Silasie Gugsa as Ambassador to Eritrea tells you a lot about PMAA and his plans. Does it resemble with “Wuchale Treaty”? (may be there is hidden treaty between IA and PMAA).
          Just so you know, whatever PMAA is doing is the work of shrewd Shoan elites at best.

          Is he going to work on his grandfather’s reverse project? or is he going to finish his grandfather project? I am just asking….

          Just FYI, I am not sure whether he is appointed or not, I am just taking the face value from your comment.

          Thanks,

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Sam:
            It is OFFICIAL!

            My suspicion and guess is as yours.
            I would rather say the Master Plan is that of IA.
            The Shoan plan is co- dictated and co-sponsored by same IA, until proven otherwise .
            Short term plan:
            – to influence the Tigray majority and work thru the Amb directly along with the likes of Dr Engineer Abreham and the young Leadership led by the likes of Nebiyu of Enderta
            -The long term plan:
            The big picture of “ INTEGRATION”!
            Time will tell

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Sultan M.G and Samuel,

            My my…I am a Shoan Awatista and I am here to tell you there is no such plan, shrewd, master or any other plan.
            We are barely on our feet from the Communist Derg slaughter. Shoans advocating “INTEGRATION”, my ..my again.
            I think, paranoia, is considered some kind of illness. It needs to be checked.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            “አንበሣ ከሩቅ ሲያገሣ ላሞች ከቅርብ ይሸናሉ”

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kim Hanna,

            I agree with you on not getting paranoiac about everybody. Nowdays everyone in politics is becoming a suspect. Doesn’t Ethiopia have a highly respected diplomat with no accomplishment or nothing in his/her CV?

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            The question is why is the rush to replace Isu? Isn’t he doing fine? Abiy should reconsider his decision.

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            May be a Premier in-reserve. Remember he was designated as Envoy (ቋሚ ልኡክ). I am amazed by the choice of words when talking of designating an Ethiopian ‘ambassador’ to Eritrea.
            Funny and on target anyway, as always.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            In these trying times we need to take things lightly at least on weekends.
            በስንቱ እንጨነቅ አንተዬ?

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            የርስዎ ነገር እያሳሰበኝ ነው።

            ጊነስ ኣይገኛ ኣሁን በቀላሉ
            ግድ ነው ወደ ዘውዲቱ ዝቅ ሊሉ

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ

            ኮሮና ሲታመም –በጊነስ አዝግም
            እግር ኳስ ሲጠፋ–ምድር ሰማይ ተደፋ

          • Sultan M.G.

            Mr Kim Hanna:
            Am not paranoid and my intention was not the way you and Nittric understood it.
            But we have more than enough reasons to be legitimately paranoid .
            “All of us are paranoid of something but the degree and gravity of the paranoia is what makes paranoia pathological”, said my former Prof of Clinical Psychology !

          • Berhe Y

            Hi M.K.

            I agree with you, Shoan books, being shroud etc, only apply to the elite from Tigray. During our struggle for Eritrean independence, no body in Eritrea thought or believed they were smart, in fact we compared them to “some animals” because we didn’t think they are capable of thinking right. Their push for “hulu neger wede tor gum bar” was we thought they don’t think, because it was a losing war. We had some famous singer, nicknamed Zemach to this day, because his songs were making fun and to some degree insults of the “zemach” meaning soldiers.

            These shoan elite, shroud etc come from Tigray and what happened to them because of Menilik and Haile Slassie times.

            Now they are trying so hard to make it ERITREAN people problem and using it a a scaring tactics so Eritreans are on their side fighting along side with them.

            All I can say is, Eritrea is independent country and what ever problem they have, they have to sort it out and has nothing to do with us. Anyone who come to fight waiving the Ethiopian flag was considered our enemy, Oromo, adere, Amhara, Tegaru all of them, we saw them in the same lens.

            Eritrean after we got our independence, we are happy our problem is solved and we had no hard feeling to move forward. There isn’t any hate towards any Ethiopian, it is as if nothing happened. We know who was responsible for the war and we are ready to move on. It’s like what happened in Europe after Second World War, the evil is defeated and move on for peace. When Dr. Abiy come to Eritrea, the reception he got us exactly the reflection of what Eritrean people felt inside all along.

            There is one exception, TPLF and their elite. Personally I was one of those who hold up, I even admired them at some tine thinking they are principled party and people. I was wrong I can say that much, I can’t say all of them but what’s coming from there in one way or another is a threat to our existence.

            A lot of Ethiopians confuse our being pride and independence as arrogance that we wanted to be like our masters Italians. No body in his right mind, takes pride being second class citizen in his own country. But for our people during the Italian occupation, our people found peace to lead a life, without the warlords from Tigray and creating havoc in our land, raping our women, burning our villages.

            There isn’t a thing, I mean even one thing good they did in Eritrea. If someone can say otherwise, I am happy to correct myself.

            This never stopped during Haile Slassie, then during Derg and we know what happened in the last 20 years.

            I never blame the Tigray people collectively, and even the TPLF people but lately, most things that’s coming out from there is pure EVIL and I think it’s fully funded and well planned plan, to lead us to next genocide they are planning to commit in Eritrea.

            I don’t know if you understand Tigrinya but here is a video of some Tigray elite talking about creating Tigray Republic. I don’t have any problem what they chose to do and their republic, it’s not our problem and it’s not our business to this or that.

            But when that republic plans to commit genocide in our country and people, then I along many of our people have a problem.

            Here is what shocked me of their plans. When we say we are going to build Tigray Republic, we can’t forget those of our brothers who are of the same biher (ethincity) like us, who happen to be separated because of what happened. When we talk about Tigrinya, we can’t have two Tigrinya people [thise in Tigray and those in Eritrea], there can’t be two Kunama [those in Tigray, I never heard there were any but they are telling us there are], and there can’t never be two Afar [since when they have afar in Tigray, but off course they are talking about those in Eritrea], is that also mean there will not be different afar like Djibouti as well.

            Move to the 25 minute section to hear that part, the rest doesn’t even on web us.

            https://youtu.be/fEmPV95n_xw

            This is the same agenda of the Agazian group, it’s the same agenda that come from the Tamrat guy, conveniently through the same media “awratimes” etc.

            I say as Eritrean we can’t be just a seating duck all let them dictate the outcome of our future. Their future is very, very ugly fir us. It’s like what happened to the Palestine people since Israel occupation.

            Lucky for us, I think, they have created resentment and hate among everyone around them, and it will not be hard to fail their attempt.

            As Eritreans, we need to weigh our options, and we have to do all we can to never lose sight of their long term plan.

            They will not hesitate to wipe us out and make us all exiles if they have the peaks and the capability.

            I am sorry if I offended anyone but anyone who is here propagating that message, in my books he or she is of the same agenda and plan.

            To those if you who are interspersed, here is a documentary of Eritrean Kunama refugees in Tigray. All they needed was a land to mind their life they way there use to [to go home] but they were there in the refugee camps without our anything to do for years. How come the claim, Kunama are our people now? Is this how you treat your own people? Why can’t they let them go and live in the other [Tigray side of Kunama], what’s called again [thst beer exist].

            https://vimeo.com/312563065

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Berhe:
            Now-a-days you sound like :
            -Blink
            -Nittric
            -HOPE
            -Mokkie
            -Kalahari Snake
            And to some extent like:
            Eng Teg Mahmuday and Ustaz Teg Semere Tesfai
            Prof Dr. Gheteb….
            You betrayed your own Semere Andom et al.
            Welcome to the Club!
            Aybelando bikedemu!
            Late better than NEVER…

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            The difference is, unlike those you listed, including you:) I may add, I insider Isayas Afeworki is one of them and he wanted the same thing against the Eritrean people. In short I don’t support IA like those others who do. I am against enemies of the Eritrean people inside or outside.

            His problem with them is, he wanted the whole Ethiopia just like his great grand grand Father Time (Yohannes) and wanted to become emperor and ant to be blessed in Axum. The TPLF wanted to rule and make Tigray great only. That was his problem with Melles and it will continue will be his problem with TPLF.

            In other words, he doesn’t care about Eritrea and ERITREAN people, so I don’t support him.

            Those you listed do.

            BTW, iSem is never against his own people interest. He respects them and may be admired them, because unlike PGDJ, they lifted their people from poverty, and they have done for their people.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.berhe
            now u made a mistake, i don’t think PIA even mention the word “axum”ever, there is no prove or word that he said he want to rule ethiopia, he was from the beginning until now the same person and for independent eritrea and economic integration of the region.
            but tigria tplf , there r 1000s of interviews, documents that show they r for “aboy tigrai” including part of eritrea and that is the fact and u made one childish mistake but still the N shawa”adgis” the likes of horizon, abi, kh and so on still believe u.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            IA said so many things during our struggle, and we trusted him and followed him blindly.

            He is truely libi tiwiyway, and that’s the reason where we are today.

            I don’t know if he wants to rule Ethiopia or not but he truely cared about the well being of Ethiopia and Ethiopian people compared to Eritrea.

            No he had yes interest in Eritrea interests but in defeating Derg and gone to power.

            Eritrea was a means to an end, he never cared and he still doesn’t, but TPLF was on his way, and he still at war with them.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            convince me by providing video or written documents like u did before, today is Saturday.
            i believe the other way round that PIA is on tplf way against aboy tigrai but still u can provide a prove, not he say she say or tigrai online, aigafirum fake childish prove but real prove.

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I like to see you reconcile the third paragraph with the fifth.
            You said that you don’t know if Isu wants to rule Ethiopia (par 3)

            Eritrea was a means to an end ( par5)

            Question
            What do you think is the end if Eritrea is the means?
            Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella bet, r u doing ur adgi job or r u trying to start stupid tplf argument and make it look like it is an issue?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            All I know is, the well being of the Eritrean people and the country is not his priority or his objective.

            He was always concerned about Ethiopian people and their unity. Weather he wanted that to become a leader or he wanted Ethiopia to stay united, I really don’t know. He can wish all the things he wish for Ethiopia, it would not bother me one bit, but I hate the Eritrean people are to be sacrificed and the county destroyed in the process.

            If what’s being said is true, when the whole world is releasing prisoners because of the danger of Corona virus, how do you explain in this time, he has to round up people and populate the prison.

            May be he wants to wipe them out and claim innocence and blame it to corona virus.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Let me ask you again
            If you think Eritrea was the means what was the end?
            You also said ( par 5) tplf was in his way. Again, what was his objective that tplf blocked him from achieving?
            Thanks again

          • Selam Berhe,

            Do you think that it is a wild conspiracy theory, if i say that Eritrean independence was a means to an end for tplf, to move to the second stage, that of forming an independent greater Tigray, after getting first whatever it wanted from Ethiopia, land and capital?
            Two things remain mind boggling for me. The first is why would tplf say, “we fought for Eritrean independence more than Eritreans themselves”, and the second is, why would digital woyane entice Ethiopia and Ethiopians years ago from this very site that “Ethiopia should invade Eritrea and depose IA”?
            The known known(s) went even as far as saying that invading Eritrea and deposing IA is just and ethical, for the sake of the Eritrean people, while naively, we asked how that could be possible. Don’t you think that the aim was to bring Eritrea under tplf hegemony with Ethiopian blood, and make possible independent greater tigray that incorporated Eritrea including Assab with occupied lands of Begemder and Wollo?
            Remember, anybody who speaks Tigrinya is a Tigrayan, and Tigray includes lands from Eritrea with the port of Assab. Don’t believe it, if you are told that this is no more the plan, because it is diachronically true and it will never change. It is a plan that took decades to form and it is embedded in tplf’s psych, and can’t be erased.

            I think that, one of the reasons that brought together PMAA and IA, is to make impossible this tplf’s master plan. The good thing is that tplf has lost its hegemonic power, it can’t siphon off money and resources from Ethiopia anymore, and PMAA and IA seem to be standing in their way. I don’t say this to show in any way imaginable that IA is not what you say he is, but as much as tplf is concerned, he is not far away from the truth.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I remember those days where I was in the trenches fighting against some gullible Eritreans and woyane operatives in this site.
            የጦር ሜዳ ጠባሳውም ማእረጉም አብረውኝ ይኖራሉ:: ራሥ አቢ ተብዬ በክቡር Mr Kim Hanna ካባ የተሸለምኩት በጦር ሜዳ ውሎዬ በከፈልኩት መስዋዕትነት ነው::
            I can definitely differentiate the gullible from the digital woyane in this site. I can give you extreme examples from the two groups.
            Hayat Adem on the woyane side, Kokobe on the other. You can guess where you categorize Amanuel Hidrat and Semere Andom.
            I can give you more names if you want. I remember every person who gave a bloody nose.
            አንዳዶቹ አውቀው የቀሩት ተሳስተው ወይም በወቅቱ የነበረው ሁኔታ አስጨንቋቸው የወያኔን ታንክ ሲጠብቁ ኖረዋል::
            የራሥ አቢ የጦር ሜዳ ገድል በአዋተ ምድር ሲዘከር ይኖራል!!

            You remember “ surgically removal “ concept promoted by Hayat with the support of both the shrewd and the gullible?

          • sara

            ato abi
            yes i remember the surgical removal days….. its weird world
            those who promoted that concept got removed surgically instead,
            what is next.

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            Next is building the wall!!! You know.

          • Selam Abi,
            Only that our dear friend KS is different from others. He loves Eritrea and Ethiopia with all his heart, and he would have easily believed them, if they told him that it was for the good of Eritrea.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I agree.
            ኮኮቤ መሣሪያውን ወደሌላ አቅጣጫ አዙሯል::

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣቢ’ና ሆሪዞን፡

            ውጊያው ገና ሳያልቅ፡ ጦርነቱን ትተው፡ ኣድማሱን ተሻግረው፡ ወንዝ ዳር ተቀምጠው፡ የሚያወሩ ሁለት ጀግኖች መሰላችሁ እኮ!

            በኣቋም ከሆነ፡ ኣባ ትልቁ ኣቢ፡ የግርማዊነታቸው የ75ኛ የኣልማዝ ኢዮቤልዩ ኒሻን ሽልማት ይገባዎታል።

            BTW where did these words come from? እዮቤል
            እዮቤልዩ
            ኒሻን*

            *from the web, I found ‘Nishan’ is the highest of civil awards and decorations given by the President of Pakistan for the highest degree of service.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ትልቁ ቤተመንግሥት ኢዮቤልዩ እንደሚባል ታውቃለህ?
            ኒሻን ማዕረግ እንደሆነ ብቻ ነው የማውቀው::

            ጦርነቱንማ በድል ተወጥቼ
            ታንኩ ታክሲ እንዳልሆነ አስረድቼ
            በአቋሜ ሳላንገራግር ፀንቼ
            ቁልቁል ወርጄ ሽቅብ ወጥቼ
            እንደ አባቶቼ እጅ ነስቼ
            ጀግንነት ከትህትና አሳይቼ
            ሰላም አውርጄ ባገር ላይ
            አሳድጄ የወያኔ አውደልዳይ
            ተሸልሜ ራሥ ተብዬ ካባ ደርቤ
            ጠላቴን ጥዬ ደርሶ የልቤ
            ዘና ሳልል ሳልሰበስብ ትንፋሼን
            የምትገፋፋኝ እንዳነሳ ጦሬን
            ምን በደልኩህ አንተዬ
            ኃይለኛው ጋሻዬ!

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan HaileS,
            Nishan is Arabic for medal
            Jubilee is a 25 or/and 50 year anniversary. እዮቤል comes from that. II thought Jubilee was French until I saw you question. Not sure of the origin

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Saleh,

            Thank you! I was just starting to reply to myself saying this:

            I am back to give you my findings on the origin of the word እዮቤል(ዩ)።

            It comes from the Hebrew word yobel (via Latin Jubilaeus, then Jubilee in european languages), which in turn derives from yobhel, meaning ram; the Jubilee year was announced by a blast on a shofar, an instrument made from a ram’s horn, during that year’s Yom Kippur.
            It is also Geez, እዮቤል, or Geez adopted it. Jubilee forgives the debts of the poor every 7 years and every 49 (7×7) years, there is restoration of property to its rightful owners.
            This being the origin, in modern times, this was practiced into celebration of 50th year of celebration of reign of kings and now extended to other celebrations of events at 25, 50, 75 years.

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile,
            Yes. Now it makes sense because I remember some Palestinians hoping restoration of their property in the nineties which started in the infamous Oslo accord between Israel and the PLO. That could have been in preparation for the 7×7 years since the establishment of Israel in 1948. Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            i got a question, what do.u think is airplane and airport means in rural amharic? not abi or urban amharic.
            the reason i ask u is to tell u nishan is arabic but also it is old , rural and church amharic too.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            I am not sure what they call airport. Is it aiport marefya?
            You are right, Arabic and Geez are very close (though some wish to distance them from each other retroactively. Is it airoplane nishan 🙂
            I have a few primary Geez learner books and I the number of similar words in both languages are so many.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            They call it “matt’ar”, i have no idea how they adapt it before the urban people adapted it, yes there r a lot of similar or same words.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            That could only be influenced by the migrant workers from the Gulf states. I didn’t know that. Have you heard them say Taashira for visa?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            I know about taashira and arife, that came from migrant workers but am talking about people never left thier village and not known by migration and old written documents.
            in some part , people don’t say dog(washa) but kelb, or bomb but k’abula , not curce for chair and so on, i think there r a lot of similar and same words and migration.

          • Saleh Johar

            Aha Teodros,

            Why would villagers need to use Mattar unless in connection with migrant workers–I still think it is that influence when it comes to Mattar. But if we want to be specific, places like Hadiya, Argobba, Fitager, and other parts of the old Shoan Sultanates will certainly have adopted (or have kept) some Arabic words. But I think dog is Kelb in Geez also. But shushshsh–in some corners it is a crime to recognize Arabic heritage in Abyssinia 🙂

          • sara

            berhe hawna,
            selamat…. in this bad days of corona… we are all compelled to stay more at home…fortunately we are enjoying a recent release TV show on eri tv… that says a lot about those days you always bring in these forum…the 70th.. which i am not familiar with… according the AD it is based on true story and for those of us who doubt or hesitate the on
            going direction of our xxxxxxxxxx .
            it is week end i wish you could bring the link of yesterdays episode for
            the forumers to view .

          • Berhe Y

            Hi sarina,

            I was very young in the 70s so I don’t remember as much except vaguely, and what I collected from here and there.

            I am not sure I understand, I don’t if you are asking to to share a link? If you click on my profile and you should be able to see which one you means. Or let me know if I can help.

            I saw the Covid19 comedy they made in Asmara, and I thought they did good job. I wasn’t sure the ending was educational enough. I thought they could done better to warn the public of the looming danger that’s coming.

            Berhe

          • sara

            selamat berhe,
            i use a poor internet line , do not have the access to make links etc
            thats why i asked your help as you have a better net access…
            there is a TV series now on ERItV, that will help us understand there
            is no going back to where we were before 91.it also tells the culprits
            of those days who made our parents life very difficult that makes us abhor any relationship with them what ever they say or bring any justification.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi sarina,

            Sorry I didn’t understand you. I do not really watch much of eretv because of lack of time with other responsibilities (awate is we’re I spend what free time I can squeeze) but with the lockdown, it would be nice to catch up.

            I know eastafto has eritv series movie, I checked but there seem to have few new movies. If you remember the title, I will look it up or if you tell where to find it.

            I must say, I think the Eritrea movie production is getting better. The quality of the actual video, from sound, graphics, video quality, editing, camera angles etc, I think it’s really great. Content I think it is also getting better, again I am not the best person to comment but it will be a great asset in reinforcing our national identity.

            With you tube and all monetization that’s available today, with some money going directly to the owners of the content, it will help and it will be great incentive to support the artist.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi TA:
            I never remember DIA saying Axum but he said and the following
            1..in 1993 now that we won and our gained our freedom borders are meaningless we can even go all the way to confederation
            2. After independence in1991 he was asked in London if he wanted to be the leader of untied Eri and ethio, he did not answer it he was coy
            3. He gave Badme to TPLF in 1982
            4. Accouding to MZ he was interested in the idea one country but his hands were tied
            5. According to MHagos on the eve of independence he he flaoted the idea of united government with TPLF to a group of higher EPLF echelon
            I am not sure if you are Eritrean or Ethiopian but you should know that the actions, the words of this lunatic worries those who want to see sovereign Eri
            Oh I forgot to mention flirting with the idea HS and CIA in Kagew from the on set and then his first order of business after may 24 was to murder the guy who was the go between HS and him

          • Teodros Alem

            selam isem
            Like i said i don’t believe on she said he said evidence, but his party principle or his person words or writings.
            all what u said above suggests that after independence( after sovereign eritrea) he want some kind of economic integration with ethiopia , he still want that and the whole world understand it like that and u have to look at it “unzigzaged” to see it like the whole world saw it. the funny thing is u guys r bothered because of it.
            this kind of argument is stupid tplf argument, nobody believe it expect tigraians who always believe anything that said by thier village members. And off course the likes of abi QAZ.

          • Selam iSem,
            Here is a person who leads a guerrilla warfare for thirty years carrying the banner of independence. On the first day of his triumph, he shows signs that he was not really infatuated with independence.
            Why so?

            Is it because he used the banner of independence with the main reason to mobilize Eritreans, because he knew he couldn’t do so if he had said that his struggle was for democracy?

            Is it possible that his dream was always to rule Ethiopia and not little Eritrea as per his ancestors?

            Why was the border not important to IA? Has it anything do with what we believe, right or wrong, “Eritrea for Eritreans only, and Ethiopia for both”. A border between the two countries and complete independence, contrary to confederation could deny him access to exploit Ethiopia.

            He knew it will be difficult for Eritrea to become viable economically?

            He knew the danger posed to Eritrea by tplf’s plan of “greater Tigray” and he didn’t want tplf to come after Eritrea by using Ethiopian sources and human power, and he wanted to control tplf from within Ethiopia?
            Etc..

            What do you think?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            “Is it possible that his (Isaias Afewerki’s) dream was always to rule Ethiopia and not little Eritrea as per his ancestors?”

            Please, please, please……… don’t be fooled. One can accuse/blame Isaias Afewerki for million things that went/are wrong; but “motive to rule Ethiopia/unite Eritrea with Ethiopia” is not one of them.

            I don’t know how old you are, but the politics of Isaias Afewerki and Ethiopia is as old as your father – if not older – or simply, it is so old, it was glowing hot before Isaias Afewerki himself was born. Now do your research.

            And please start your research by asking, if Isaias Afewerki’s mission/objective is/was to sell/unite Eritrea with Ethiopia, then who is stopping him – Semere Andom (iSem) and his likes through the internet? belony!

            Semere Tesfai

          • sara

            selamat semere,
            ii think there is a lot of misconception by the elites of our neighbors,
            and most of what we read here emanates from that misconception.
            eritrea is not an ethnic kilil that can be driven left and right by an individual regardless who he is in the driving sit.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Sara

            “I think there is a lot of misconception by the elites of our neighbors,
            and most of what we read here emanates from that misconception.”

            1. – Sara (ብቲ/ኡኽትይ): there is a befitting Tigrigna saying in Eritrea that support the “misconception” you’re talking about. And the Tigrigna saying goes: እንቁርዖብሲ፡ ንሰማይ ኣብ ውሽጢ ዒላ ኮይና ስለ ትርእያ፡ ሰማይ ንክንዲ ኣፍ ዒላ ትመስላ – ይብሉ።

            The Awate website is an Eritrean website; but Woyane friendly website to say the least. There are more Ethiopian contributors (on the comment section) than there are Eritreans. Because the moderators are more welcoming to Ethiopians than to their own Eritreans. You can see how they all miss’m and greet’m (ኮሸምሸም ይብሉሎም) to the Woyane big-shots – whenever Hayat Adem, T. Kifle, Kaddis, Paulos, Fanti …………. show-up that is.

            Now, ask yourself: as Eritreans who is closer to them – the Ethiopian elite who came here (to this website) daily with the intent to do harm to Eritrea and Eritreans or the PFDJ supporters and “sympathizers” whom they disagree with?

            2. – The Ethiopian elite who came here everyday know Eritrea only through likes of Amanuel Hidrat, Semere Andom, Berhe Y, Mahands MiEbale, the “Eritreans” Hayat and Paulos. And they think all or most Eritreans are like them. That’s why.

            3. – Now I should stop before “I get pruned”. you got the idea!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ato Semere Tesfay,

            I may not have an impressive CV like yours where you have paid your dues for the glorious struggle for independence but I can safely say that, I know Eritrea. I have read its history including its political and social history. When I say, I read, I read as if I was preparing for an exam for it. Because, I wanted to remain well informed. Not bragging.

            To give you an example, when I was in college, 20 or so years ago, I read Haggai Erlich’s “The Struggle Over Eritrea” where I think is the single most important book ever written about ገድሊ and it’s political history. I wanted to read it again but every time I checked with the Library of my Alumni, it is always checked out–I guess for writing academic paper purposes. And I wanted to buy it, and guess how much it costs on Amazon? A staggering $1,885! No kidding. Of course, I am not going to buy it but frankly, I was tempted.

            I agree with Sara. Eritrea is not Kilil and I also agree that, Ethnic Federalism can not work for Eritrea. In my opinion, what Eritrea needs is a highly centralized government [A strong State] with civil liberties intact. Stay safe.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos ,
            The book is good unless you have experienced what is in the content. In that case, it’s not like a bet, but has so many holes.
            I have the book and if you can arrange to pick it up, read it and promise to return it, I am here to help.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ayay,

            First, hope all is well with you. We don’t see you very often.

            I want to tell you something but I really want you to believe me. I can’t and don’t lie to you when I say, one day I want to surprise you by standing at your doorsteps and then will grab the book. Will make it happen. You’re one of the very few people in this Forum I would like to have a day long ዕላል with. Thank you much for the kind offer. Stay safe.

          • Abi

            Hello ወንድም አማች
            You should be uprooted for your comments.
            What is your problem with the Ethiopians?
            You are glad I’m not on moderating duty today:)

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Semere T.
            Glad you are not BANNED for stating the above.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሰመረ
            ‘ንታይ ድዩ ትጸገም መስለካ? ቀዳማይ ዲግሪ ኣብ University of Zara @ Barka ረኺብካ፣ ካል ኣይ ዲግሪ ኣብ University of Sahel @ NaQfa ሓዊስካ ጀሊሕካያ።
            ኣንቢቡን ጽሒፉን ዝኽእል ኤረትራው ንህግደፍ ክድግፍ ወይ ክደናገጽ ኣየምሕረሉን። ዓገብ!

          • Semere Tesfai

            ሰላም መሃንድስ ምዕባለ፡

            ‘ንታይ ድዩ ትጸገም መስለካ? ቀዳማይ ዲግሪ ኣብ University of Zara @ Barka ረኺብካ፣ ካል ኣይ ዲግሪ ኣብ University of Sahel @ NaQfa ሓዊስካ ጀሊሕካያ።
            ኣንቢቡን ጽሒፉን ዝኽእል ኤረትራዊ ንህግደፍ ክድግፍ ወይ ክደናገጽ ኣየምሕረሉን። ዓገብ!

            መሃንድስ – ብዝሐ-ሕብርታትናን (ናይ ኣረኣእያ) ድኽመታትናን ብዘየገድስ፡ ኣብ ትሕቲ ሓንቲ ጽላል ዓዳይ/ዳዕሮ ኣጽሊልና ክንቋየቕን ክንነሃሃርን ከለና ‘ዩ ዘምሕረልና፡ በሃላይ እየ።

            ሕግደፍ፡ ኣብ ገዝኦም ክገንሑኻን ከዋስኑኻን ቅኑዕ እንተዘይኮይኑ፡ ከመይ’ሉ ‘ዩ ናትካ መግናሕትን ምውሳንን ንህግደፋውያንን “ተደናገጽቶምን” ቅኑዕ ዝኸውን? ልበይ ካብ ልብኻ ሒሹ ዘይኮነስ – ብርኢቶይ – ምክብባርን ምትሕቑቛፍን ‘ዩ ጥራይ እዩ ዓዲ ዘጋብረና ። የቐንየለይ

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላም ሰመረ:
            ከመይ ዝብል ለባም። በል ርገጽ ኣብ ከመይ:
            1) ህግደፍ ንህዝቡ ይ ኣስር ይቐትል ይ ኣስር ሃገሮም ጠንጢኖም ሃጽ ኢሎም ከምዝጠፍ ኡ ይገብር
            2) ሓው ሰመረ ኣዚኻ ምሁር ከምዝኾንካ በጸሓሕፍኻኻ ይፍለጥ
            3) 1& 2 ‘ሞ ኣነጻጽሮም: ክሰማምዑ ዝኽእሉ ኣይመስለንን
            ሓደ ዓቕሚ ኣተሓሳስባ ኣሎዎ ትብሎ ሰብ ሸለል ክትብሎ ትኽእል። ንምሁር ግን ብካልእ መነጽር ‘ዩ ክረአ ዘለዎ።
            ከምዚ ክርኢ ከለኹ ብዓይነይ ዘይኮነስ ብልበይ ይነብዕ።
            ምሁራት: ናብ ልብኹም ተመለሱ በሃላይ ‘የ።

            በቲ “ምክብባርን ምትሕቑቛፍን ጥራይ እዩ ዓዲ ዘጋብረና” ዝበልካዮ ግን: ምስኻ ኣለኹ።
            ካብ ሓውኻ መሃንድስ

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            The other most important question that puzzles me the most is: Why are people still supporting Isaias Afwerki? I really don’t get it. And I think some of them are highly educated people. Beats me. Really!

          • Selam Paulos,
            A similar question would be, why do Syrians continue to support the Syrian dictator, when almost a ten years civil war has completely destroyed the country, hundreds of thousands killed, and millions made refugees? Who can understand the mind of such people? Can we say that some of us are closet dictators and we could manifest the qualities of a dictator with the right conditions. Are we narcissist and we don’t know it, that we are infatuated with strong men, such as dictators? Do we like power and everything that goes with it, and again we don’t know it? Some people say we can’t be what we are not.
            Who is the psychologist in the house who could explain such minds for us?

          • iSem

            Hi Horizon:
            To me to boils down to this when it comes to Eritrean: 1.the morons who think that the best way to protect our so called sovereignty and what their little brains cannot fathom is that the underpinning of the ghedli was not only sovereignty but human dignity was at the heart of it. If HS and Dergi considered that the sovereignty guys would have come home in their own volition, but Dergi pushed the envelope to humiliate Eritrea’s and they supported the gheli in numbers that tipped the balance
            2. the self interest and the Tigray connection, the IA clique who are not comfortable in their own skin and hate Eritreanism.
            You cannot make the imbecilic understand and you cannot separate the reset from their interest

            I think the analogy with Syria is misplaced, many Syrians fought and are fighting their dictator, they just lost and those who still support Assad is for ethnicity reasons and interest. Eritreans never fought IA even with the fraction of the ferocity of Syrians they failed to protect even their underage kids who he kidnapped to SAWA. The fighters did not even protect their own right let alone our rights and their children are drawing in the sea.
            If this continues, for half a decade we might as well right the obituary of Eritrea before IA’s

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            I see what you mean and I agree to most part but I would say, Syria is a completely different story for Sectarian politics plays a major part to begin with.

            As you know, the Hafaz family belong to the minority sect Alawi where according to the experts, they make up close to 18% of the Syrian population where traditionally the Alawits pick up a career in the military. And one can understand why the Syrian dictator has a considerable supportive base.

            In Eritrea however, there is no such a thing like that where to the contrary Isaias is not even one of them. He is from Tigray on both sides of his parents. Remember, we are not talking about a high member in a government post but about a man who has been in power for five decades who is a full blown Tigrai who doesn’t have an iota of respect for bona fide Eritreans. More over, he abuses them left and right like there is no tomorrow to the extent where journalists visibly tremble when they ask him questions. It is mind boggling to say the least.

            ኡነቱን ለመናገር እኔ ለራሴ እንደ ኢሳያስ መሪ ኣይቸም ሰምቸም ኣላቅም፣ ያላገሩ መጥቶ በገዛ ኣገራቸው እንደ እንስሶች የምያከላብታቸው፣ ተሰምቶም ታይቶም ኣ’ያቅ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            You should rather call the journalists “ bubble heads “ who uncontrollably nod their heads.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            That ወዲ ነጣባይ guy seems to be soiling his pants every time he asks questions with a cracking voice but the other guy ወዲ ዓቤ has a heart with his daring face who seems to be saying to Isaias, you f*cking b*tch!

          • Abi

            Paul
            ጋዜጠኞቹ ሱሪ ታጥቀዋል ነው የምትለው? ቀደም ሲል ኢሱ ብቻ ነው ሱሪ ታጣቂ ያልክ መስሎኝ ነበር::

          • Selam Paulos,

            What about those in the military and the security, especially those in high positions, who are supposed to keep IA in power? Could they be Tigrayans as well? How could they be so loyal to him, under such circumstance,s when they see that Eritrean citizens are mistreated? Sometimes in the past, we were discussing the so-called “መንቀሳቀሻ” paper, slightly differently called in Tigrinya. The people who were checking the papers in the streets were said to be Tigrayan anti-tplf forces stationed in Eritrea. It seems complicated.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            You have to refine your Tigrinya
            መንቀሳቀሲ
            መወሳወሲ
            You welcome.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            I really don’t know to be honest with you. My best guess is personal gains could be the reason they remain loyal to him. I don’t know.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            If Isu brings Eritrea back to Ethiopia tomorrow, nobody will opposes him inside the country. Eritreans are saying derg was much better. They are right. Derg was a whole lot better than what they have now.
            The only opposition is from diaspora Eritreans who will be making demonstrations in every major city in the world for about 2 weeks.
            ይአክል! —1st week
            Down Down Isaias! — 2nd week
            Back to work— 3rd week
            Applying for passport at Ethiopian embassies— 4th week

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I must say that is painfully funny and I am beginning to suspect that Tamrat Negera may have been one of your top students. No?

          • Abi

            Paul
            Actually he failed my class for saying it straight.
            My classes involved a little bit of sarcasm, a little bit of ሰምና ወርቅ, a little bit of humor and of course a tiny bit of ቡኛ.
            He mastered only the ቡኛ part. That is a D grade in my class.

            Have you noticed that General Nitricc called him Tamrat Segera in one of his hastily written comments? Now that is what I call unintentionally funny.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Some correction tella bet. saying derg time was better and derg was better is two different things. In eritrea case i know some people say derg time asmera or messewa was better than right now.
            But if u ask ethiopians, most of them will tell u derg is better than right now .
            but since u r here to do ur Q job, u can’t make a different but still can talk.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            You said: “Derg was a whole lot better than what they have now.”

            In what way? Is this also true for Ethiopia?

          • Abi

            Simon
            There is a long hateta by Haile TG a while back where he provided a summary of comparison between the two administrations.
            Availability of basic necessities like clean water, electricity, food items…
            – Children were able to finish school instead of wawa military camp
            – accredited university
            The list is long.
            It is true to Ethiopia as well. No denying that. Are you kidding me!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            So, you call dodgy Haile as a reference?

            You forgot to add some Derg achievements:

            Red terror, senseless wars, youth rounding up as war cannon fodder, farm produce confiscation, food and petrol rationing, acute corruption and nepotism [an Ethiopian speciality], explosion of prostitution, wage depression and fake Birr exchange rate, rampant inflation.

            Scholarship for who? Which housing project?

          • Abi

            Simon
            I have never visited Eritrea. If a respected Awatista like Haile The Great does the comparison of the derg time with the current one, I tend to take it as truth. He had no reason to bring us fake news.
            Derg was better.

            When it comes to Ethiopia l ment to say the current one is better by a mile. Sorry for the stupid mistake.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You forgot prisoners’ visiting rights including political prisoners.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You forgot Isaias’ dad lived peacefully and freely in his home during the derg time. Compare that to the current kingdom where children are in prison because of their parents defection.
            ባኒ was also cheap and readily accessible. ሥጋ በአንቶኖቭ ይጫን እንደነበር መረሳት የለበትም:: ወዘተርፈ
            I don’t want him to go crazy by telling him Eritreans used to join AAU and other colleges with a lesser GPA than the minimum requirement.
            Eritrea had a higher ኮታ than any other ክፍለ ሃገር :: That is the reason why you find more Eritreans in the colleges.etc etc

            Hawna Berhe once said derg used to send Eritreans abroad through scholarships knowing that they will never return.

          • Selam Abi,
            Supplies were flown in for civilians of the city of Asmara as the airplanes were shot at by the guerrilla fighters, similar to what the Americans did for W. Berlin that was surrounded by soviet forces. Hundreds of lorries carrying supplies for residents of the city were attacked or destroyed by land mines, the aim being that residents of the city will revolt if they go hungry. Etc, etc.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            My reply to you is confiscated by the ዋርድያ. Rumor has it it is waiting at the warden’s office for strip searching.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            You said: “I don’t want him to go crazy by telling him Eritreans used to join AAU and other colleges with a lesser GPA than the minimum requirement.”

            How did you know?

            Did dodgy Haile give you this fake information as well?

          • Abi

            Simon
            No , Haile The Great never told me this. It was a government policy.
            Any more questions?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Admit that you are making up a fake story, there was no such a policy.

            I know because, although didn’t study there, I worked there.

            I could also list you the names of top Eritrean Engineering students, but it is not appropriate.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Simon,

            Let Abi have fun today through his day dream by applies what was implemented to Illubabor, GamuGofa, Sidamo, Bale students to Eritreans.
            ኣቢ፡ በጊዜው የተራመደ ታዛቢ ባይኖር
            ወደ ላይ ወርውሮ፡ መንግስተሰማይ ይጥለን ነበር።
            Haile S (not to confuse wz Haile TG)

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            Glad you believe in መንግስተሰማይ.Desperate times, I assume.
            Of course, derg and the king did everything to put you up in the clouds (መንግስተሰማያት).

            You are right there was ኮታ for other ክፍለሃገሮች also. My point is it was higher for Eritrea. Go ahead and tell me it didn’t apply to Eritrea.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            ኣይ ይሄ ኣተይስቶች ለሞት ሲቃረቡ ወደ ክርስቶስ ይመለሳሉ የሚል የክርስትያኖች ፕሮፖጋንዳ ተወው። እኔ በሚገባህ ቋንቋ ልናገር ብየ ነው። ደግሞ ገና ነኝ፡ እኖራለሁ። ከማን ጋ ልታወራ!
            If there was more visibility of Eritreans at AAU, it must be due to other factors, not due increasing access by lowering GPA.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ኧረ ኑርልኝ ጋሽዬ! ካንተ ካላወጋሁ ቀኑ እንዴት ነግቶ ይመሻል ?

          • Abi

            Simon
            ok. May be you can list some names of excellent engineering students.
            I have a picture with the top engineering ( Eritrean student) in my album that was taken on his graduation day. His GPA upon graduation was 3.95.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Not allowed to list names without permission.

            Could the 3.95 GPA chap be the one whose name is engraved on a wall inside the Engineering faculty for his achievement?

          • Abi

            Simon
            Let’s Just call him Tes for today.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            I call him TM.

            I know many Eritreans with a GPA of 3.5 and above. This contradicts your assertion that entry grades are lowered for Eritreans.

          • Abi

            Simon
            M must be for ማዘንጊያ.
            The rest is just ጉንጭ ማልፋት.
            For your information, the ESLCE gpa doesn’t not always correspond with the gpa upon graduation from college. You can enter AAU with 2.6 gpa and graduate with a much higher gpa. The reverse is also true.
            One thing which is almost always true is it is always የክፍለሃገር ልጆች ሰቃዮች የሚሆኑት:: I have benefited a great deal by being friends with them. ሰቅለው የሚቀሩትም የክፍለሃገር ልጆች ነበሩ::

            In USA many elite universities are dropping the SAT requirements for admissions.
            Studies show that There is no correlation between a high SAT scores and college success.

            Anyway, you have figured out the person.
            Good talking to you.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Abi,
            If that was the case, I would have been accepted with my solid 1.8 GPA, rather than joining that useless TTI (no offense here).
            On the other side, few years forward, got a chance to immigrate to my favorite city Seattle.
            Time to calibrate and decided to join CC and I got my junior high mojo back.
            I was accepted by quite few major public & private colleges and I decided to come to the greater Bay Area.
            All of a sudden I joined the so called smart students. This was around 2006. Only one person knew at that time that I was a low performer in high school.
            Now, my colleagues are from state colleges to the so called elites. I see no correlation of college vs performance (knowledge). The richest guy in our dept. is a San Francisco state graduate [estimated ~ 75 to 200M]
            I would say Interest is the main driver. There is no idiot person [unless with some biological defect] but interest.

          • Abi

            Hello MM
            You are supporting my point. Once you step inside the campus, what GPA you got in ESLCE has no meaning. It is all hard work and persistence one semester at a time.
            During the derg time 1.8 GPA is a little too low. If I remember correctly, 2.4 GPA was the minimum requirement for diploma programs, 2.6 GPA for degree programs.
            1.8 GPA means you got 4Cs and 1D.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Abi,
            Correct, my intent was to support your comment on that. The 1.8 GPA was a joke for not accepted [even thought it was my record]
            However, I was one of those about 8% in my class who failed the matriculation exam. About 85% of them were above 3.3GPA. They are all [those who are alive] all professionals.
            You can say my teachers were not happy with my result, except one of them who I met after few years, in Toronto 🙂

          • Abi

            MM
            It is not how you started that matters. It is how you finish. Glad you made it!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            You should not bring anecdotal cases, rather talk about overall statistical patterns.

            A positive correlation is expected between grades at entry and grades at graduation. Plain common sense.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Isaias was born and bred in Eritrea. He is no less Eritean than you or anyone else.

            The outcome of the guerrilla revolution would have been the same, dictatorship, had it been led by some other Abu Bakr or Woldegabriel.

            You are like the man who lost his wedding ring in the basement of his house, but goes out to search for it in the well lit streets.

            You are deceiving yourself because of desperation.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            You have forgotten hitler 🙂

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            You’re right. Very true.

          • iSem

            Hi Semere Tesfay

            It is baloney. Belony is the stuff we used to play with balina:-)

            Isais Afwerki’s aspirations are well known and I repeat them here. It is the stuff you know but ignore to give IA a pass, to canonize his actions,to saniztize his crimes

            1. Kangew debacle and the murder of the man who was the go between HS and IA. When EPLF had zero clout for IA to enter Asmara and wine and dine safely, come on now.

            2. He never asked TPLF to leave Badem after the date you call liberation of Eri, an Eritrean land. Uncontested at that.
            3. His comment of confederation while families were still mourning their dead, in many cases multiple of their children in the ghedli made useless by imposters

            4. IA never answered the question when he was asked if he wanted to lead united Ethiopia

            5. Mesfin Hagos’ commonent re IA’s proposal regarding joint government with TPLF

            6. His giddiness when AA saved him from his Adi Hallo cacoon. Even during his first speech in Asmara after May 24 he was not that happy

            Now Semere when IA collaborated with TPLF to kick attack you and with your military fatige drenage in blood, he did not do it alone.He got TPLF help and got the highlanders who were undermining ELF from within due to secterian reasons and now you have become the apologist for IA and I can say that it is for regional reasons,not for the love of Eritrea. Any Eritrean who loves Eri must oppose IA and PFDJ as the only enemy tat poses existential threat ti Eri is not CIA, is not God, is not isem and awate. It is PFDJ. And I know you know that but the sad thing is the intelectuals like you try to save IA behind just so you can retire somewhere in the highlands What you are oblivous bout is, IA and CO will settle their bretherne and will ask you who are when you try to go to your father’s tisha.
            The Quitaws are back. Better listen to prophet isem

          • Teodros Alem

            selam isem
            That is ox answer, real oxen. u didn’t answer who stop PIA from doing it?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Mohksi

            Mokhsi, wo points here:

            1. – First thing first: Thank you for the correction. I saw my stupid mistake and corrected it. Thanks again.

            2. – Well argued, and you’ve brought very good points – points that need to be discussed in great detail, and arguments that are needed to be made for all Awate forumers and readers to see/engage.

            3. Today, on this article, I’m not going to engage you on this topic – simply because (I’m under the assumption) that the Awate Moderators are going to close the comment section soon.

            3. – But hold that thought and bring it on – on another day. I’ll make the case for it, you do what you need to do, and the Awate readers will have the opportunity to see both sides of the arguments. Though (I believe) the chance of you and I getting at the same conclusion is slim to none, it is worth having the discussion for the benefit of many readers.

            Semere Tesfai

          • iSem

            Aya Semere

            Deal!

            ዋተ እናሃለ ፈረስ

            ስንቅኻን መዓልትኻን ቖጺርካ አብ አዳል የጋንየና፡

            እዚ ተንበን እመይ ሲዒሩኒአ

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Semere T:
            I hate to interject but what the “Dedebit Trained Cadre”has lamented about is but close to ACCURATE based on reliable sources from the EPLF and ELF Seniors!
            For the most part , Wed Abiye Andom tells the truth but in unfair, biased , unbalanced and hypocritical ways ….like blaming the innocent Tegadelti like you and Mahmuday!.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Aha… Wed Andom;
            You violated a Copy Right besides cutting short by 60% my long list about that Dude.
            And you label the King as a PFDJ Apologist….

          • iSem

            H Horizon:
            You raise very good questions. Question that many Eritrean should have raised long time ago.
            IA was never supporter of the Eri revolution, he called it Jihad as far as 1966
            Then Dergi came and IA had to change his MO. He rode the Eri aspiration for independence. The war did not start due to Badme. TPLF had Badme since 1982
            IA was exploiting your country from within, murdering, kidnapping Eritreans and running his hard currency black market and MZ knew it and they looked the other way, they were not ready when they were ready they himilated.
            Many Eritrean complain about MZ’s comment about the colour of their eye. I love it. A country has the right to expel any one who poses a threat to the nation and many foolish Eri in Addis supported IA, against they are own interest. so Ethipia acted appropriately. My ony beef was some of the unfair treatment of innocent Eritreas. MZ should have rounded all the PFDJ supporters and put them in prison. Those who were repeating IA words and touting guns and undermining Ethiopia. I do no support the mass deportation and the blessing of TPLF when Era opposition were killed kidnapped Shame on Ethiopia. IA was undermining Ethio in many levels.

            If HS stayed in power IA would have taken his group and would have negotiated some arrangement with Ethiopia. Dergi changed that and Soviet Union came in the picture, the broker USA was out. IA is a CIA stooge and that becomes clear by the day. So IA walked with the Eri struggle. Rather he leads them to the sate of shameful affairs we now find. To be honest, I believe as people we are still in denial, we are still covering for IA in the guise of our “sacred” ghedli. We do it at different intensity but we all are still in denial. Do not get me started Horizon

            And now age has caught up with him and before he kicks the bucket he will undermine Ethiopia while the self-help quoting village idiot PMAA is on the helm
            Remember, the group in power in Eri now are Tigrayans and their grand parents came to Eri when the Amhara’s defeated them and now they are back in power, so IA may hate TPLF for betraying him (as he trusted them more than his comrades who he later disappeared) but he loves Tigray. I will not be surprised if in the third and final act and specially if somehow Ethio fails, Tigray and some part of Eri will be Agaazian again. IA may not live long enough to see that but he will make sure someone will do it and then Eri will be back where we were before the revolution. Two separate wants: Highlands divided, some with large Tigray some for Eri uniting with the low lands for independent Eri. We will be back to square one and me and you will live see it and IA would win in his grave. He has the mercenaries to do it for him even when he is down under

            many ppl think that TPLF is dead, they maybe dead in ruling Ethiopia, but they are implementing their backup plan and they are safe and well in their own country and the Federal government cannot touch them. Good for them. I think they did not fail in looking after their own nationl(reginal) interst

            sorry for the incoherent reply, it is too late here

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere A.,

            He called it Jihad?

            Very interesting.

            Did you hear him say it?

          • iSem

            Hi Simon:

            Well,you are a sciencephysics guy so I say your question is linear:-)

            Did you ever hear Newton say F=MA. Actually he did not say that is the drivitive of his acceleration formula:

            You know what I mean

            So his classmates like Seyoum Harestay and M.Gabir and W. Amar heard him say it to them when they were trying to recruit him to join the student movement the day.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere A.,

            I did not. But I have seen it from the English version, translated from Latin, of his book ‘Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica’.

            If Isaias said those words, don’t you think they had a grain of truth in them at that time?

          • Paulos

            Selam Semerile,

            I guess the key question is if there is a pervasive awareness through out the population that Isaias never was a man for Eritrea’s interests, why can’t the people rise up and get rid of him? What is holding them back?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Could it be the case that people are fatigued so much that they do not care whatever the outcome?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            In one word: Fear

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            Maybe you’re right but for me, the reason has remained a mystery.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            Fear is always a factor. But, as before, above a certain threshold, fear can be overcome.

            The main reason, it should be admitted, is fatigue. There is a saying, which goes:

            “Once bitten, twice shy”

            or, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

          • Nitricc

            On the first day of his triumph, he shows signs that he was not really infatuated with independence.

            I don’t mean to ruin your day care but how do you know that PIA wanted what you have stated? How do you know? I wish you stop this worthless gossip. You guys never for give him because he left you with bloody nose and land locked.

          • Nitricc,

            Maybe you work in a daycare center. That is great.
            Unfortunately, you believe whatever you like.
            When your DIA speaks of confederation,
            Says borders have no meaning,
            You should not be fooled if they tell you Ethiopians and Eritreans are two different people, etc.
            For you all these are rumors, because you live in denial.

            DIA didn’t landlocked us. It was tplf. You should thank them at least for this. They believed that it was easier to get Assab from Eritrea in the future, when they created their independent greater tigray, than from ethiopia. Therefore, don’t be so sure about Assab.

          • Nitricc

            Says borders have no meaning

            Horizon; you just exposed your backwardness. Do you think there is a meaning the border between US and Canada? Do you think there is a meaning the borders between Norway and Sweden, Denmark? When a person says borders has no meaning, he is showing his intelligence, peaceful coexisting and harmony. And I can understand how a backward with African mentality, there is no surprise you will understand the way you have.

            DIA didn’t landlocked us. It was tplf. You should thank them at least for this.

            .I will let the readers judge for themselves but if there was any doubt; your fat, ugly and crying ETHIOPIAN general told you the truth. But for you to say TPLF brought Eritrean independence, not only you are simply exposing your ignorance and the mentality of EThiopians; always find excuse, burry the truth, false pride, the list goes on. . Assab? there will not be Ethiopia as we know her.you get my drift.

          • Nitricc,
            OMG! You are not good at lying. One can easily pinpoint your lies. You were among those who were shouting day and night ‘demarcation’, and now you are parroting DIA as usual, and you are trying to rationalize that borders are not important. Was there a border war between Ethiopia and Eritrea, or not? What changed, and now you are telling us that the border between Ethiopia and Eritrea are similar to that of the US and Canada and other developed and democratic countries, and you try to show us DIA’s merits as an internationalist. Indeed, you have never been to the region.
            How can you use these vocabularies, intelligence, peace and harmony for DIA when he is responsible for the border war, his people are running away from him, and he has created a country without its people, parliament, an economy, and no social life? How can you talk about Eritrea when you are in a complete darkness and you have no idea, because you still have to set foot in it. Do you say what you say for the sake of saying, or is it because you expect other people to believe you. The latter is impossible.
            It is Eritrea that is in danger of being swallowed by tplf, if you can understand, clever boy, and you are talking about the future existence of Ethiopia. Do you think that the N. Korea of the horn will be around for long? PMAA tried to inject some life into it, and it doesn’t respond. Why? DIA can only hibernate to stay in life and he can’t live a normal life. He is a person without intelligence, and he has no more dreams for his people, despite what you say. You better know.
            The general you mentioned, was lamenting the foolish act of his tplf for landlocking Ethiopia, and he was showing his regret.
            Finally, why do you hate africans and you desparage them all the time? Possible explanations are, you could be an Amiche, still you are 50% black. You could be an Eritrean with inferiority complex, because you are black. That is a misfortune, to say the least, if being black is your problem

          • Nitricc

            OMG! You are not good at lying. One can easily pinpoint your lies.

            Again I wouldn’t expect you to understand what I am saying. Of course it will and it must be demarcated. You have to know where exactly your borders are but it doesn’t mean it stops you from cooperating in all aspects of life. But again, it too much for an African with slave mentality. US and Canada know where exactly their border is but that it didn’t stopped them from working and respecting each other…. you won’t get it.
            skipping your garbage you said I hate Africans. No I don’t. but I am amazed how lazy and unmotivated you are. Don’t worry who I am; but I understand, hanging on a day care, those things come up to your mind. You should have been occupied why Qerro and the rest of the youth organizations are allowed to mushroom but here your government sends brigades to wipe out Fanno. and you are telling me Ethiopia is okay? obviously you never had a stand. I have never heard you opposing TPLF till they were disposed to Mekelle but now you are number opposition to TPLF and that tells me your character and character matters. in the end, to coexit in peace and mutal respect, one must know where his-her borders are. The Eritrean border must be demarcated. you see how it works?

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe;
            Don’t go banana :
            /Blink and HOPE as well as Mokie boldly stated that they Never adored or endorsed the PFDJ and its Leadership rather , they protested Against.
            It was your own Isem, who ENDORSED and adored the TPLF thugs along with his queen, HA!
            It was your same friend,who wished and predicted that my own Keren shall be overrun by his Dedebit bosses!

            You were same Berhe, who cursed us for blaming the TPLF and being as a nonissue..
            It was same Mahmuday, who openly and publicly protested against the PFDJ !
            It was Gen Nittric who openly declared for the resignation o the PFDJ Leadership!
            You know who HOPE is and what He told you to your face …. about the PFDJ leadership …..
            Facts:
            We all were despised simply coz we Despised the TPLF and its elite and for standing up with the GoE when the GoE had stood up for Eritrea!
            We have STOOD FIRM on our stand.

          • iSem

            Hi Hope Hassay”
            Isem never endorsedTPLF, isem said TPLF did better in lifting their people than PFDJ. No I take that back. I mean TPLF lifted their people in the last 30 years PFDJ enslaved its people im 30 years. How many TIgrayans drown in the sea and their organs got harvested? How many TPLF generals are named in the UN report as human traffickers? How many Tigray youth implicate Tigray generals as rapists?
            I know hassay is always hassay even if he has Angle name Michael as his father’s name and Ghilankiel ass grad father name, so you will never admit the truth I always utter.
            By the way you should change your last name from Ghilankile to GhilaHgdef as Ghila in Tigrinya means servant
            Hope you will be hated, abhorred, despised, hated, detested as long as you have affection for the hated, the abhorrent, the despised, the hated, the detested

          • Sultan M.G.

            iSem:
            Hahaha ….
            You reminded about how you were despising Prof Dr Gheteb!
            Entatu Le hassay Nai HASSAYAT!
            God job that you are trying to APPEASE your boss by repeating his litany.
            Akatari yibliwwo Amhara ni Kemzi kemakha.
            You adored, you admired, and YES ,you endorsed the agenda of the CRIMINAL Janda Hiwehat.
            For the last 20 plus years, it was your the same Dedebitawiyan, who made Eritrea and Eritreans to be isolated, sabotaged, contained, sanctioned and to be tourtued and to live in A BETWEEN LIFE and DEATH situation for 20 yrs, which contributed/led to biblical exodus of our Youth and thereby to be victims of rape, organ harvesting and deaths…. and to the near collapse of Eritra as a nation , the fact your own Dedebitawian admitted and confirmed that that was their agenda and boasted for doing so.

            The kedemti and akaterti like U et al were cheering this evil Janda and its EVIL agenda and were on the forefront in petitioning this destructive agenda .
            Yes, the PFDJ , while and despite being the victim itself,has contributed to this and we protested and condemned it equally like we did it to your Dedebitawiyan LOSERS!
            Guess what?
            Despite all the evil agenda, evil axis, sanctions,sabotages, the policies of Isolation and containment and repeated provocations and INVASIONS so as either to Eritrean Regime and to capture Aseb and:/or to reverse the Eritrean Independence, as CONFIRMED by the partially declassified info,by your same Dedebitawiyan yeken Jiboch fully supported by its Western Sponsors , ERITREA HAS STOOD TALLER, FIRMER and WAY STRONGER than those same mercenaries , who attempted to kill Eritrea and Eritreans ….and rather, buried them SIX FEET under the ground!

            The fact that Eritra remained intact as a Sovereign Nation and came out as the SOLE WINNER against all odds and tsunamis is but a MIRACLE.
            Yeah, you et al,per the direct directions and instructions by the Dedebitawiyan LOSERS ,will tell me that the Z PFDJ was responsible for all these mess and existential threat of Eritrea.

            I got U but here the FACT:

            Contrary to your twin brother’s assertion,here is the difference between you and us:
            We condemned both our internal and external enemies but YOU condoned and suppprted the other BLOODY ENEMIES of Eritrea and Eritreans!!!!

          • iSem

            Hope Hassay
            Listen, I do not know Amharic cus I do not run to Ethiopia like you a
            So now that you are out from the closet I hope the TPLF arrest you when you visit there and put you so you can test how prison is, teach you a lessen
            You keep mentioning Gheteb, seb tsewie tebelkwos…
            Also We know who gheteb is
            You do not care about internal enemies, if u do how come you support the most lethal internal enemy PFDJ. Eri is intact only in that brain of yours that is clogged by the flouride in Mai DeArit 🙂
            Eri is so weak and IA will give it to Ethioia and still you and gheteb and blink and MS will still support IA
            Now timbel do not consume my saturay

          • Sultan M.G.

            iSem:
            Listen,DUDE,knock it off Ya Akatari Wahid!
            There is no reason for me to lie.

            So the reason you adore and worship rather than criticize the TPLF is coz you don’t want to be arrested.

            Am FREE at last after your Hiwehat is quarantined;and YES, I did go to Ethiopia after 26yrs and I ENJOYED my second home!
            Jump on to the cliff!

            Nop… Eritrea shall NEVER be given BACK to Ethiopia if it survived the 20 yrs of sabotages and sanctions so as to be taken back by your Dedebitawian Day dreamers and Losers!
            And FYI, your Dedebit foot soldiers FAILED and shall FAIL FOR EVER to roam around/over my KEREN… NEVER!

          • Abi

            Hello Sultan
            You have got no shame calling Ethiopia your “second home “. People like you should be monitored 24/7 when you visit Ethiopia. I remember you bragging about your activities as a low life spy in Ethiopia. How about your spy uncle and his disgusting activities in Ethiopia?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Shouldn’t you be happy the fact that Eritreans in Ethiopia are enjoying all the privileges accorded to them by Abiy in return for their stand against the Weyanes? If they are providing Isaias all the info he needs from inside Ethiopia, don’t you think that benefits Abiy as well for Isaias and Abiy are not only bros and pals but have a common enemy to destroy as well. I think, you should be supportive of Eritreans who are enjoying a swell time in Ethiopia.

          • Abi

            Paul
            ኢምፔሪያሊዝምን እንዴት ታየዋለህ ቢሉት “የጎሪጥ” አለ ይባላል::
            The solution is to encourage and possibly push Tigray to form the long awaited independence. Abiy and Isu should not base their friendship for the sake of destroying their common enemy. They should focus their efforts in encouraging Atse DebreTsion to declare independence. ለጎጆ መውጫ የሚሆን ትንሽ መሬት ከኤርትራ ትግርኛ ተናጋሪው ህብረተሠብ ላይ ወስዶ አዲሲቱን የትግራይ መንግሥት ማቋቋም ተገቢ ይመስለኛል:: ይህ ሲሆን ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥም በዓለም ዙሪያ የሚገኙ ትግርኛ ተናጋሪዎች “አገራችን” የሚሏት ጠንካራ ኤርትግራ የተባለች አገር ትመሰረታለች::

            I’m not supportive of the ever “UNGRATEFUL” Eritreans enjoy swell time in Ethiopia. In case you forgot they were the cream of the society before they chose the independence hoax. Nobody trusts them any longer. They have already showed us that they are capable of betrayal in a heartbeat.
            ኤርትራውያንን እንዴት ታያቸዋለህ ቢሉት ” የጎሪጥ” አለ ራሥ አቢ::

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abi

            What is የጎሪጥ?
            Thank you.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም ጋሼ
            የጎሪጥ is suspiciously.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ጋሼ Abi

            Still I’m confused. I thought suspiciously was በጥርጣሬ፡ ኣጠራጣሪ፡ የምያጠራጥር or similar to it.

            I’m very sure about that; because before Amanuel Hidrat recruited me into the ወበዴ business, I loved Amharic and was fluent in it. I use to get A+ in Amharic test. ገንዘብካ!

            ሸመረ ጠስፋኢ

          • Selam S.T.,
            I could be wrong
            I don’t remember when i heard last time the word. Nevertheless, i had this notion that it meant looking at somebody from the corner of your eyes to show that you are ready for a quarrel or intimidate the person. Just trying.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            That’s better. Thanks

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            Hello ወንድም ጋሼ
            ምነው ሄዴ ጠረጠረ ጠረጠርከኝ እንዴ?

            ጠርጣሪው በጠረጠረው ጥርጣሬ ተጠርጣሪውን ስላስጠረጠረው ተጠርጣሪው በጠርጣሪው ጥርጣሬ ጥርጣሬ አድሮበታል::

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ውድ ኣማቼ

            “ጠርጣሪው፡ በጠረጠረው ጥርጣሬ፡ ተጠርጣሪውን ስላስጠረጠረው፡ ተጠርጣሪው በጠርጣሪው ጥርጣሬ፡ ጥርጣሬ አድሮበታል”

            Wow!

            “The sixth sick sheikh’s sixth sheep’s sick” ኣለ ግብጽ ይባላል

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Abi

            Hello ወንድም ጋሼ
            It my honor to be your አማች::

            I’ve told you before anything made, assembled or said in ግብፅ is wrong.
            I got sick reading it.
            የቀንየለይ ዞማካ ( please correct me if I get it wrong)

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Semere,
            You are doing great debating with class. That is a bribe:-)
            I want a favor from you. This guy Hope/Sultan has been on a campaign to defame this forum and the moderators. If you have an advice for him, please offer him some. If not, can you tell him if you ever had any pressure not to say what you wish to say, and if you were ever banned.? Thank you

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ahlen Bika Ya Ustazna Salih Jehar!
            Jella Jellalka Rebbi,with all due respect, Your Excellency, please KNOCK IT OFF!
            Yes, I don’t lie, but/and sarcastically and jokingly saying things should not make one to be labeled as a liar!

            After all, you are a Public Figure and A Human Rights Activist, not a Human Rights Abuser!

            Please, stop ABUSING the “ Respected King”!

            Here is the TRUTH:

            You,along with certain Amanuel Hidrat and Semere Andom as well as your “Queen”,indeed despised the likes of Mahmuday, Semere Tesfay and Gheteb and ABUSED, INSULTED ,HARASSED them directly or indirectly and “made them” to self-ban themselves … so as not to be disrespected and abused, otherwise,simply for airing their opinions, which happened to be quite different from yours… and you labeled them as “The PFDJ Apologists and Trolls“!
            Read Semere Tesfay’s response to our lone Tigress Sister, Sara!

            Wo dehanka.

            Temahirka alokha!

          • Paulos

            Capo,

            ጽቡቕ ክትዛረብ ጸኒሕካ ኣብ መጨረሽታ ፋሕ ተብላ!

            What the heck is co-morbidity? Do you have to say it out loud? Isn’t that invading one’s privacy? That ain’t cool at all.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc;
            Please, avoid blowing it out of proportion and reading things out of context!
            His Excellency publicized his medical issues openly.
            Nai Guad Abi , the left-over ESSEPA Officer, tsebai leghibuka zello yimesil.

          • Saleh Johar

            Sultan, Hope, Truth, etc,
            I am the abuser when you are openly abusing the forum and myself every n ow and then? Have some decency, get off my back and if you enjoy being kicked, just let the moderators know. maybe you have a kick for it.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saleh Johar

            1. – “I want a favor from you. This guy Hope/Sultan has been on a campaign to defame this forum and the moderators. If you have an advice for him, please offer him some.”

            I don’t think it is appropriate for me to involve myself between you and HOPE – in a matter which I know little or nothing about the whole story. Therefore, I’m going to invoke my Fifth amendment right on that.

            2. – ” If not, can you tell him if you ever had any pressure not to say what you wish to say, and if you were ever banned.”

            (a). – I’ve never been banned

            (b). – I’ve always spoken my mind; and my comment(s) never been put on hold, missed, or deleted

            (c). – I had a bloody nose, black eye, bruised skin, broken bones, verbal and emotional abuse ………….. everytime I jumped into the Awate lion’s den – which I suppose comes with the territory. And correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I’ve been a warm, fluffy, soft-fur, huggable kitty either.

            (d). – To be honest, the only time I felt, I was grossly mistreated here at Awate was, the time I posted my “Badme” article on the front page – which eventually made me stop writing articles on the front page. That’s all.

            Abu Selah: I hope I answered your questions truthfully and honestly. Thanks

            Semere Tesfai

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Semere Tesfai:
            Thanks for your honesty and truthfulness!
            Your response on item C and partially item D said it all.
            Am sure Mahmuday will answer the same way!
            Just an FYI:
            As usual, I make few sarcastic comments and what I said to SGJ was part of that sarcasm , otherwise, I would not seriously believe that he would pay you to testify for him as you did above .

            I said” Why did you “ban” Semere, Mahmuday and Gheteb?”
            I said this coz all of you disappeared for obvious reasons.

            I clarified myself by saying “ They self-banned themselves not to be abused or disrespected further”!

            I put the word ban in “ “!

            Then, I sarcastically and jokingly said:”How much are you going to pay them in order to testify for you”?
            As you do , I am blunt when I decide to speak up my mind and when someone calls me with names or abuses me, I HIT BACK HARD in self defense,the Eritrean way!
            I challenge few here including SGJ , Amanuel Hidrat, Haile TG , SAAY and ew Ethiopians when they have to be challenged, as Gen Nittric said to SGJ!

            For the record , here are few of my old issues, which prompted me to protest:
            Disclaimer:
            This is not to hurt a healing wound and exited grudges but to take this opportunity to clarify few issues.

            Apology is on board if I am unfair and offensive !

            -Creating a platform for The Ali Salim Saga -Divisive Agenda and related Groups
            -Few Articles seemingly supporting The “terrorist” style attacks by few “ Terrorist” Groups” against the innocent EDF and our Infrastructure

            -The cyberspace civil war and defamatory campaign against the EPDP and my uncles in the EPDP Leadership

            -The unpleasant and un-constructive Articles on “ The Crusaders and The “ Winter Projects” by the Giant X-EPLF Groups and personalities

            -Being a “TPLF-Ethiopia Friendly Website “ as reported by few Western Intelligence Services/Agents( as you said it)

            -For being indifferent about and even supportive ( indirectly)of / to the deadly and destructive policies by /of the TPLF against Eritrea and Eritreans until it got quarantined to Mekele

            -Petitioning for Sanctions against Eritrea in the name of so called “ Targeted Sanctions” while fully knowing the real motive and the destructive impact of such sanctions and sabotage against the EU FUND for Eritrea

            -The unbalanced , biased , one sided and unfair approach towards lifting the deadly sanctions against Eritrea and about the SEMG , the COIE reports and the UNMEE/ the UNHCR

            -And now, sabotaging the Ethio-Eritrea peace deal and targeting Dr AAA simply coz he made peace with PIA…rather than taking advantage of this opportunity to challenge constructively both in a well coordinated and organized approach so as to institutionalize the Peace Deal and get the best out of it…
            Etc…
            Expressing my concerns and challenging the Team and the Moderators about those issues have been some of the major things, which forced them to ban me and I have to fight back and to change nicks so as to sneak in …., which I publicly admitted as to why I did so!
            Haile TG TESTIFIED as such about my honesty about doing so.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Sultan M.G

            “And with this, I will leave you all alone and I shall self-ban and self-quarantine !”

            Hope: Everything you said above is true. You fought fiercely for what you believed is/was right; and I admire you for that. And not only you’ve been proven right on most/all the issues you argued for, but also your contribution has made a difference.

            Please, please, please …… the strength of Eritrea and this website is in its diversity (in every way). I plea, I beg, I advise you to rethink your decision (“Self-ban”) for the benefit of your readers. And think about a reality you and I can’t deny:

            The folks you and I complain about, are getting a beating every single day here in this website (from us and our likes). And you can see them equally crying and complaining exactly like you and I. Think about it!!

            Thank you for listening.

            ብልቢ ዘኽብረካ ሓውኻ
            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            ምነው ለቅሶ ቤት አስመሰላችሁት? ተስፋቢሱ እንደሆነ ማልቀስ መዋሸትና እንደ ጅራፍ ገርፎ መጮህ መለያዎቹ ናቸው:: አንተን አማቼን ምን ያስለቅስሃል?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hope,

            You are supposed to self-isolate from COVID-19, not from Awate-19. You are confounding COVID, a virulent virus that was born in 2019 with Awate, a 19 years old maturing virus of bacteriophage type that tries to protect us from some very harmful bacteria. Although some genuine cells complain this bacteriophage doesn’t protect from some very virulent mutant bacterias, I believe it is the responsibility of the cells to come up proliferate and build a wall against those harmful bacterias.

            If Hope self quarantines then what remains!

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            Why do you assume everybody understands Latin?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            Bacteriophages are viruses that attack bacteria. They are very useful viruses that lyse and kill bacteria. Our hope against drug resistant bacterias is infact on bacteriophages. They are also the most numerous organisms on earth. They live everywhere there are bacterias including our guts.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            Can I safely conclude that you are saying that our Hope and its various is Bacteriophages ?
            ወይአነ!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ተቸገርን እኮ ቃላት ታጣ ገለልተኛ
            ከስሙ’ና ከወርቁ ኣብሮ የማይተኛ

            ቃላቶች ሆነውብን ለቅኔ ኣመቺ
            የቆጠረና ያልቆጠረ ሁሉንም ኣምታቺ

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ማምታታቱንማ እኛ አለንበት
            ተስፋ ማስቆረጡን ለተስፋ ተውንለት
            ወዴት ነው ሽሽቱ የልብን ተናግሮ
            እውነቱ ይፈንዳ አይቅር ከጉሮሮ
            ምንድነው ሽብሩ ለባክቴርያ ሱልጣን
            በበር አምልጦ በመስኮት ይመጣል
            ገራገሩ ንጉሥ ራሱን ይናፍቃል

          • Hashela

            አህለን ወድ ዓድ

            Fearing your 10-page response, I rarely comment to your truly patriotic and at times entertaining inputs .
            Now as you are threatening us with the worst, I will make an exception. My plea is short and simple: Please stay we us.

            The enemy of Eritrea here are numerous: her own sons infected by the virus of tribalism and provincialism. They spend their time counting colonels from እምባ ደርሆ! Eritreans tormented by identity crisis and those who pretend to be Eritreans but their writing tell us that they belong to Tigrayan elites with twisted heart and forked tongue. And these Shoan elites who are still dreaming about Violently securing an access to our Red Sea.

            Your self-imposed isolation from Awate means leaving the field to the above. So please rethink your decision and hear Semere’s, Haile’s and my pleas.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            I know cousin Hope very well. Trust me he will never leave. He will be back soon. This is his home.

            Hope, report to class immediately!
            ጉረኛው

          • Hashela

            Selam Abi

            You are likely correct. The addictive power of Awate should be not underestimated

          • Abi

            Hashela
            On top of that, self quarantine should be left exclusively for weyanes who are suffering from whiskeyvirus. Not for cousin Hope.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I can’t agree more. A small but relevant correction: don’t expect the genocidal weyanes to self quarantine. They were and are quarantined by the brave Ethiopian youth.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Great point!

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ዓይነ-ሸውራራ ከመሆን ይጠንቀቁ።

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ታውሬ እኮ ነው የተበለጥኩት!!

            የፍቅር አበባ ዙርያው ካልታጠረ
            አይንማ ባዳ ነው ሆድ ካልጠረጠረ

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc;
            This Dude sounds to have serious reasons for his toxic enmity / vengeance against Eritreans despite that his half is allegedly Ethiopian of Eritrean origin.
            I see him like the Tamrat Seghera guy, who lost his Dad in Gas bravo a or Sahel Front.
            He covers his deep hatred towards Eritreans for the well deserved economic business the EPLF Govt briefly conducted in order to jump start the completely destroyed economy from the scratch as if Ethiopia and Ethiopians do not owe us a $TRILLION in material and human life damages incurred upon Eritreans and Eritreans for well over 60 yrs of their wanton destruction .

          • Abi

            Hello Sultan
            The title is “Ras” not dude. ድዳም!

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella, aman h too bargged and still bragging about his activities as low life spy in ethiopia, take a good look at the similarly between this sultan dude and aman h , ask why they say what they say, u will know this sultan dude is deep inside adigrate or axum or adawa.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            I never cursed you for blaming you TPLF or anyone else. The difference I have with you and others us for not seeing the danger the dictator posing on our people.

            Even now I am no foolish to advocate their destruction one way or the other, I really don’t care. I just want us to keep our eyes wide open and stay focused on our priorities and on our people.

            We just need to vigilant and stay focused and depend on ourselves. This integration economic or otherwise you support is premature in my opinion and for we should just mind our business and keep our unity.

            There is nothing they can do about it and only when we fight each other us when they get opening cracks and will try to exploit it.

            If you still think the PFDJ is our hope to salvation, I use yes problem with it. But I expect that he leave the people of Eritrea alone and let us be the best that we can’t be.

            As long as they don’t come in our country and take preemptive action, we don’t care what they say. In fact we want them to say a lot more so we know their evil thoughts.

            Listen, let’s just chill and I really do not wish or fight with my people. You are entitled to your opinion and do do I.

            I have never ever have thought or believed that outsiders to solve my problems.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            BTW, iSem is never against his own people interest. He respects them and may be admired them, because unlike PGDJ, they lifted their people from poverty, and they have done for their people.

            Now, I am not going to let you that easy. The friend you call Semere; actually we call him in here the goon, hats Eritrea, her people, her government everything Eritrean. tell the truth He is loves the TPLF thugs because they helped him escape Eritrea. he could give a flying hoot about the people of Tigray; he obsessed with elites and the thugs. If you think the people of Tigray are out poverty and they got all the riches, then one must be incredibly ignorant or unbelievably corrupted. We know the goon, his lips are blooding from kissing the filthy TPLF thugs. don’t lie Berhe.

          • iSem

            Hi Hope Aka Siltane Mikiel Ghilakiel from Minnesota

            Why are you addressing yourself in the third person ” you subd like HOPE and why you only capitalize HOPE? Just asking cousin Hope

            If you are wondering how I know Sultan M.G = HOPE, do not wonder because ኢደና ረያም ታ( ኢድና ነዊሕ ‘ዩ)

          • Sultan M.G.

            iSem:
            Congrats .
            When did u graduate as a Detective or U just attended one of Prof Abinet’s emergency courses?

          • Abi

            Hello Sultan
            What makes you and Mokie Berhe similar is your usage of multiple names.
            Kalihari snake
            Asmara blue
            Fishmilk
            Mokie Berhe

            Guad Ras Abi

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.berhe
            man , u said it all but still i don’t believe it because zigzag heart tigrai always come to my mind.
            having said that. U said “during our struggle to independence, no body in eritrea thought or believe , shawa were smart, in fact we were compared them to animal (ADGI)”.
            1, i think the tigraians see them as ADGI too, the difference is tigraian r still playing them., tigraians even convinced them and made them to hate and fight themself. Look at kh.
            berhe what u said above is perfect and i agreed but i still suspect u r trying to make hate between N shawa amhras and eritreans and don’t blame me , like i told u zigzag heart tigrai always come to my mind.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Teodros,

            I don’t know what I said that made you think, that I wanted to create between Shoan Amhara and Eritreans. May be read it again what I wrote. What I am saying is, no body from Eritrea really care, think and believe about Shoan Amhara and have any resentment against them or any Ethiopian as a whole, including Tigray people. The problem (my problem) specific with their elite and anyone who is propagating their plans.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            I told u already that i agreed and from my experience, i decided to keep in mind the saying “zigzag heart tigrai”

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            Read what this brave Eritrean had to say.

            http://aigaforum.com/article2020/we-stand-with-tigrai-020520).htm

          • Teodros Alem

            selam.berhe
            I don’t read aigafirum , tigrai online, if it doesn’t serve their evil purpose, they don’t post it. Sorry i don’t.

          • Paulos

            Tedros,

            Let me summarize it for you. The author of the article is Milkias Mihreteab. He was in fact a regular contributor here at Awate. Before that however, he was an editor of an independent newspaper in Eritrea. As it happened, he fled Eritrea and found himself in Tigrai where he was touched by the kind of kindness and generosity of the Tigrean people when they reached out to him in his time of need. And to that end, he wrote the article on Aiga as a tribute and gratitude. There certainly are grateful Eritreans and Milkias is one of the millions of thoughtful Eritreans. No room for racists and bigots!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            u too r eritrean, right? The assenna, the aman h(fisum), and so on r eritreans too .
            the point is aiga don’t post it, if milkias or what ever his name writing serve aigas purpose.
            no room for bigots is funny because tplf’s other name is bigots.

          • Nitricc

            Hey teddy: that is some people, people of paid digital weyane job is to introduce some dead and lifeless Mekele propaganda. There is one thing, Awate forum will be a battle ground for real Eritreans and who married people to mekelle Tigreans hell will frozen before those subhumans will take over this web site

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe Y,
            You said… “But for our people during the Italian occupation, our people found peace to lead a life, without the warlords from Tigray and creating havoc in our land, raping our women, burning our villages.
            There isn’t a thing, I mean even one thing good they did in Eritrea. If someone can say otherwise, I am happy to correct myself.”

            This never stopped during Haile Slassie, then during Derg and we know what happened in the last 20 years.

            Regardless of the facts I can understanding the last 20 years, however how did Tigray elites burned Eritrea or Eritreans during HS and Derg? Tigray itself was in a worst oppression anyone can imagine, we were fleeing to Eritrea for shelter and help, we Thank you for that. Can you explain me how Tigray elites burned Eritrean village during HS and Derg? Lies never stop. What is the need to exaggerate?

            It seems slowly you are developing hate, remember that even helping one Eritrean citizen should be considered as a good act, it could mean a lot for that person and his/her family.

            In my opinion your core problem isn’t coming from external forces, it starts and ends within your leader.

            At the end of the day we are neighbors, we have been neighbors, and we will be neighbors for years to come.

            Thanks,

          • Hashela

            Selam Samuel

            Here is a link that leads you to a photo collection that shows to what Tigrayan elites are capable. The hatred of Tigrayan elites toward Eritrea and Eritreans is century old and know no limits

            http://www.ehrea.org/minlikcrime.php

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Samuel,

            You are right if what said sound exaggerated, and I have no interest to fuel hate towards the people of Tigray. First I want to tell you, the people of Tigray are not only my neighbours, but also my family members.

            What I say and write is strictly to those who are in power or were in power in some capacity or another and still in power today.

            In short their stand has always been a matter of convenience but not of a principle.

            Bet it Yohannes, Alula, or the Amdenet agents during HS or the kebele, kefteNa chair people and their hasewti / informers , the TPLF who interfered in helping eliminate ELF, TPLF of Melles era, and I don’t know what to make of today’s TPLF leaders.

            In short, according to them, Eritrea is a prize that’s always for grabs at their will, which starred during their warlords time and I must say it still contribute today.

            I will not dwell in the past but want to focus in the future. Let me ask you and I hope you give me your honest reply.

            What do you think what the guy is saying about the relationship they wanted to form with Eritrea.

            1) we want peaceful relationship with ERITREAN people etc.

            2) we wanted to have Tigray republic which is made up of Tigray, Kunama and Afar.

            3)But we can’t talk about a republic when we have the same people who were divided, that is we can’t say Tigrinya people without those [Tigrina in Eritrea], Afar without those [those Afar] in Eritrea, Kunama without those in [Kunama in Eritrea].

            Can please comment what this means and what are we suppose to say about this?

            I don’t want to hear, we have Eritreans refugee in Tigray excuse. You gave us shelter when we need it the most, we are greatful but our country and our people are NOT for grabs? And please spare me, you guys look down on us, you are not proud of your heritage nonsense. All we want is we live in peace in our own country without interfering with politics of anyone else. Everyone us welcome to live, work in peace so long as they follow the rules and agreements.

            In short we want to live like any other normal country and do not want to go back to 19th century world of warlords.

            Berhe

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe Y,
            Sorry for the later response, you asked…“What do you think what the guy is saying about the relationship they wanted to form with Eritrea”.
            I don’t share his view, as far as I know it isn’t the view of the majority either but he is entitled to promote his interest, you will find similar individuals or groups from Eritrea as well, that is part of human aspiration. The solution is to fight back, that will be on the ballot box and media.
            As I said it before unless the situation in Ethiopia changes badly (disintegration) most Tegaru are not into independent Tigray. If you go to Mekelle or Axum and ask people randomly you will understand what I am talking about. If I have to guess may be 80% of Tegaru are against independent Tigray.

            Regarding the relationship with Eritrea, most Tigrians accept and respect the sovereignty of Eritrea, they are not interested anything outside that, however what they demand is a cool-headed leader from Eritrea who respects Tigray interest and its people. Even if Tigray becomes independent the relationship with Eritrea will be two sovereign countries just like “Norway and Sweden”, that is my view and wish if we got into that.

            Personally I am 100% into “stay in Ethiopia” with multi-cultural arrangement (ethnic federalism), however if the existing federal arrangement gets into unwanted situation then it will be all about survival. When that happens I can tell you that we will not let the elephant stay intact, history is a great teacher.

            My two cents, you have to focus on what you can control, you will hear all kinds of narrative from all sides but as long you stay focus on your values and principles that is what matters most. To tell you the truth the number one enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans is DIA, that is my rational opinion. Have you ever wander if the leader of Eritrea was someone cool-headed, do you think the situation we see today would have existed? I don’t think so, leadership matter.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Hello Samuel
            What do you mean when you say “ we will not let the elephant stay intact “?
            ምነው እራስህን አንቱ አልከው?
            እኔ በግልፅ መክሬሃልሁ:: በጊዜ የሰረቅከውን መሬትና ንብረት መልሰህ ቅራቅንቦህን ሸክፈህ ጥፋ::
            እንደ ድፎ ዳቦ ከላይና ከታች እሳት ሳይነድብህ ሰብሰብ በል::

          • Selam Abi,

            Tplf is frustrated, feels lost, has become delusional, and day by day, it sees the reality that it is between a rock and a hard place. The future is no more bright for tplf as it used to be. Although the tplf bubble has burst once for good, it continues to live in tplf’s unrealistic world of audacity and bravado. Unfortunately, they have the power to enslave their own people, and nothing more.

            Tplf is trying to tell the Ethiopian people that if it goes, it will make sure that Ethiopia will be no more. An old story. Nevertheless, it fails to understand that it is speaking about mutual destruction, with tplf to lose even more.

            Don’t touch our ethnic federalism, which is meant to destroy Ethiopia, our Constitution through which we hoped to rule Ethiopia forever, don’t ask for the lands we have already taken from you, don’t bother our thieves, give us the budget we need so much, etc, if you want us to stay part of Ethiopia. Otherwise, we will destroy you before we leave, we are invincible, and all the rest. In my opinion, this is the sign of defeat, frustration, fear and hopelessness.

            It is unbelievable that they fail to realize that the way of confrontation will be at their expense. They are blinded by the ephemeral success they had in controlling and plundering Ethiopia. The looted money will be no more in a few years, and creating one’s country is not like building your own “Gojo”. They also fail to understand that their success was due to the fact that Ethiopians turned their backs on the bloodthirsty derg. This is a miscalculation of the worst type. I hope that there are some rational people in tplf, who could save tplf and its supporters from themselves. Tplf may believe that jawar, bekele g., dawud ibsa, and other oromo ethno-nationalists are their robots, and they will burn ethiopia at the order of tplf. Tplf could not be more mistaken.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I have nothing to add to your comment except የወያኔ መሪዎች እንደ አህያ ማናፋታቸውን አቁመው በስርቆት የሰበሰቡትን ሀብትና ንብረት መልሰው ህዝባቸውን ሰብስበው ወደመጡበት ሳይረፍድባቸው ሹልክ ብለው ይጥፉልን:: ወደፊት ጊዜው እንደፈቀደ አስፈላጊነቱ ከታመነበት እንደ መልካም ጎረቤት ቡና እንጣጣለን:: ለጊዜው ግን እንደ እከካም ፍየል ጥጋቸውን ይያዙልን::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            ለምን ጥጋቸውን ይይዛሉ ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣይደሉም እንዴ? ኣባቶቻቸው ከኣባቶቻችህ አለምን በምያስገርምና በምያስደንቅ ጀግንነት ለፍሽሽቱ ጣልያን ኣፈር ኣላስበልቱም እንዴ? የጋራ የማይካድ ታሪኩ የት ሂዶ ነው?

            በሰማንያወቹ ኢትዮጵያ በረሃብና በልመና ትታወቅ ነበረች ብቻ ሳይሆን ኢትዮጵያውያን እነዛ ውጭኣገር የነበሩ ከኢትዮጵያ ነኝ ወይም ኢትዮጵያዊ ነኝ ማለት ክፉኛ ያሳፍራቸው ነበር፣ በሁለትሺ ከዝያ ቀጥሎ በነበረው ኣመታት ግን ኮርተው ነበር ኢትዮጵያውያን ነን የሚሉ የነበሩት ምክንያቱም ኢህኣደግ ኣገራቸውን ስላበለጽግላቸው ነው፣ ኡነታው ኣሱ ነው!

          • Abi

            Paul
            ኢትዮጵያዊነት ሲፈልጉ የሚያጠልቁት ሳይፈልጉት የሚያወልቁት የክረምት ጨርቅ አይደለም::
            ትግራዮች አገሪቷን እየዘረፍን ካልገዛን ካሉ ግን በሚገባቸው ቋንቋ እናነጋግራቸዋለን:: ወይ አነ!!
            መንገዱም ጨርቅ እንዲሆንላቸው አቅም ያለው በጉልበቱ ደካማውም በፀሎት ያግዛቸዋል::
            እነሱን ለማስቀረት የምናባክነው አቅምና ጊዜ የለንም::

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            Instead of writing unnecessary lines why don’t you focus on the substance, tell me what will be the federal arrangement of Ethiopia in 5 years, 10 years, etc? If you think Ethiopia will survive by getting rid of ethnic federalism I really want to hear that, and let me know how that will be. I am tired of “ፍኮራ፤ ሽለላ፤ ኣይን ማፍጠጥ፤ ማንጋጠጥ”, tell me what will be Ethiopia’s federal arrangement in 5 years, 10 years? If you can show me how Ethnic federalism will be dismantled I will be happy to hear. The Southern People are requesting to have their own State based on the constitution, how are you going to manage that? Focus on the substance.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            Horizon is intelligent person but sadly his sense of judgement is clouded by his extreme hate for TPLF.

            Just imagine, TPLF has never been so popular since its inception in 75 than now and Horizon writes something that is not there. Their focus has shifted in a fundamental way for they are no more for the rest of Ethiopia but for Tigrai only. And instead of asking Horizon what the Federal arrangement will be in five or ten years, ask him where he sees Tigrai in five or ten years instead. I think that is more of a relevant question. Perhaps, Singapore is not completely lost in the region. No kidding. Those people are no nonsense people. As they say it in Tigrinya, ዝናዓክዎስ ኣጥነሰኒ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            “Intelligent”and “clouded judgment”
            ጣቶች ሁሉ ወደ ወንድሜ ይጠቁማሉ::
            I see Tigray will become independent in 5 years . Tigray will be number one in every aspect as my beloved brother ( put your name here) already predicted.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            I completely agree, TPLF’s focus has been completely shifted since 2018, hopefully it will be an exemplary for the rest of the states and social groups who aspire to be who they are. There are few elites who are stuck with the past, they still can’t read the mind of the Ethiopian people. Ethiopia is a divers society, every social group have their own distinct history and way of life, you can’t sandwich them and make them like you.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            selam paulos
            tplf focus is only on tigrai now after they kicked out of addis(federal gov) is a tigrai joke that can be accepted only in tigrai. as long as u have a people who believe “tplf focus is only in tigrai after they kicked out of federal gov” tplf is ok but not tigrai, it is even show the people standard, the ability to think.

          • Selam Paulos,

            Tigray will go nowhere. It will still be there in 20yrs, let alone in 5-10. Eritrea didn’t become Singapore, nor will Tigray be. Singapore became what it is today at a different time and for different reasons, factors which do not exist in Tigray. Singapore’s geographic position played a major role. It is on one of the busiest world shipping lanes, and it was used as a stop over, a hub for the countries of the region, and it was blessed with a benevolent dictator, etc. Tigray will have a certain future with Ethiopia rather than if it goes alone. Many hopped, few achieved.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            As they say, time is the hidden factor and we shall see.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam samuel
            Forget horizon the adogi, let me try to say my prediction.
            1,The federal arrangement will be according to the constitution, which means the welkeyt , the raya and so on will have a chance like sedame, which means they r the one who decides who they r and thier own future , but not somebody else.
            2, according to the constitution and federal arrangement, kilils(states) economy is run by thier own local taxes and the federal gov job is to work fedral job which is all federal gov office, the army, building roads that connects kilils(states), University , kind of work and this will implement according to the constitution.
            3, i know u people think the map that show u on media is true and u people think the number, any number comes out of the gov is true, but it is all fake, it is to boost ur self-esteem.

          • Samuel

            Selam Teodros Alem,
            I agree, as long as the amendment is based on the constitutional provisions then I have no problem amending the constitution.

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            selam samuel
            I didn’t say amendment, i say it will be implemented according to the constitution

          • Selam Samuel,

            The Tplf constitution is not the bible. It can be amended. Constitutions all around the world are amended when necessary. Take as example the US constitution. It was amended many times. The USA is a federation.
            In Africa, Ethiopia is not the only country that has ethnic groups. If i am not mistaken, Nigeria has more ethnic groups than Ethiopia and it is a federation, but not an ethnic federation. Africa is the continent of thousands of ethnicities and no one except Ethiopia is an ethnic federalism. It is tplf’s marxism-leninism-maoism-hodjaism that screwed Ethiopia, and fortunately Ethiopians are becoming aware of the toxic effect of ethnic federalism.
            Why do people seek refuge in their ethnic groups and tribes? It is mainly for security reasons, and not because they hate to live with others. Give them a functioning democracy, peace, security, equality, etc, they have no reason to hide behind strong men who show up now and then in different ethnic groups, not for any other reason, but to become their masters and even their abusers. Can one rule out constitutional amendments, and regional (geographic) federalism? Why are both supposed to be anathema? Is it because tplf says so? Politics of race and ethnicity are evils not only for Ethiopia, but for the whole world.
            Finally, the “ፉከራ” comes mainly from the tplf side. We have heard it say, we are armed and united to face anybody who dares come our way. That was for the federal government. Unless you already forgot what you said in your previous comment, “we will not let the elephant stay intact”, is that not “ፉከራ” and blackmail?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Horizon,
            I have no direct interest in what goes between Tigray and primarily another kilil. But I expected you to be wiser and promote reconciliation instead of being part of the problem. This is from my heart, think about it.

          • Selam SJG,
            I never had and will never have any problem with the people of Tigray and the Tigray killil. I see them as part and parcel of Ethiopia. For me the front tplf and the people of Tigray are not the same. I can’t equate the two. Otherwise, it means making the people of Tigray responsible for all the crimes committed by tplf. On the contrary, the people of Tigray and their killil were victims, as all other Eethiopians were. There lies the difference for me.
            What has changed as much as tplf is concerned so that i could change my stand? The problem is tplf and still remains the problem, and not me. The front has shown in many different ways that it is anti-Ethiopian, opposed to peace, normalcy, stability, sits on other people’s land, etc. It acts like a renegade regional government within the federation, abides by no law and regulations, and yet it wants all the benefits the federal government could give. Should Ethiopians surrender to tplf under such circumstances? It is tplf that should apologize and reconcile with the people of Ethiopia, and not the other way round. This is the opinion of most Ethiopians.

          • Saleh Johar

            Horizon,
            I think you know that I know TPLF and Tigray are different. But thank you for reminding me.
            As for the rest, it is a friendly advise and I am sorry for trying.

            Thank you

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe Y,
            Watch this to support my argument: This is random interview in Mekelle.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU1WrzUv6No

            Thanks,

        • Nitricc

          Dr
          AAA just appointed a seasoned and well educated as well as a well experienced
          Senior Tigraway Diplomat, Ato MihreteAb Mulugheta Haile ,

          Hi MG; Stop deceiving people. There is no such Tigraway who is
          seasoned, well educated, well experience diplomat. If existed, one person could have said “what we are doing to Eritrea and Eritreans is wrong” They bleed the country for the last 20 years mercilessly. Now, all I need to see is a Tigryan ambassador? Hell no! As soon as Redone was appointed as ambassador to Eritrea, I called on PIA to reject his appointment and he did. I am calling for PIA to do the something to this Tigraway ambassador. My wish is for Eritrea to break away completely from the Tigryans.

          • Kim Hanna

            Hi Bro. Nitricc,

            I forgot the name of the World Health Organization director. It is on the tip of my tongue, please tell me with a little Nitricc spin.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            selem kh
            tedros is politically appointed , nominated by ethiopia and AU members support, where ever he go there is a death.and now his time will be remembered by corona death

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kim; all I need to know was he went to Asmara university and I said, no winder and it shows. I don’t know why but there is something wrong with every one who went to Asmara’s University. I am just happy it is closed, deservedly so.

          • Kim Hanna

            Nitricc,

            Boy I didn’t see the twisted spin coming. I presume Asmara University rocketed a lot of Asmarinos and Awatistas to this point and you are willing to offend them just to defend your point.

            BTW: Tedros was complimented by Bill Gates as a brilliant Ethiopian Doctor, just for your information.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kim,

            I think under the circumstances, he us doing great job. They asked the US director of infectious disease, Dr. Fauci during one of the press conferences with the media and he had nothing to say but praise him.

            Actually he said he knew him long when he was a doctor in Ethiopia.

            I can tell you, I feel the sense of pride for the job he is doing. We should all proud and specially those from Asmara and Asmara university,

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I’m proud of the Ethiopian government for keeping Asmara university accredited and operational during the war.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella bet, am sure horizon too will come and say same or similar things like u said:) because QAZ, it is abbreviation.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Well Gen Nittric, u know me that I call a spade, a spade.
            I have to acknowledge and respect his credentials( Masters Degree in Economics with Adm background and a Director of EU Affairs at the MoFA .
            I know and worked with well educated Tegaru.
            Their alleged “crookedness“ and “smartness” against ETITREA and Eritreans should NOT generalized and has nothing to do with my comment about the Amb, which I consider his appt as an Ethiopian Amb to Eritrea as a gesture for Eri-Tegaru Reconciliation!
            My alleged paranoia has nothing to do with the alleged MEDDEMER, when I said “ Integration”, which was an Economic one in my mind!

          • Nitricc

            Hey MG; if you had called a spade is a spade; I wouldn’t have forced to respond to your post. The point is, you tried to spin it. I admit, I have no idea who this guy is but all Tegaru elites are millionaires, General-doctors, economists, they are everything. They are nothing but a sells person in a used car dealers. So, my friend; I had hoped to work with this people but they are impossible to work with. Let’s cat our loses short and Eritrea must decide her path clearly. Eritrea lost the last twenty some years trying to work with those people, it won’t work. They are genetically deceptive and elites educated beyond their intellect. Don’t buy that when they say “ we are brotherly people” when they are desperate and depressed; the truth is, you should remind your self that they tried to eradicate you from the face of the earth by siding with the Amara, Oromo and the rest revengeful Ethiopians. You don’t have to take my word for it, listen to what Tamirat Segera has to say and most importantly to what the fat, the ugly, the corrupted and the crying Tigrayan general has had to say. I know you are induced with the digital weyane on this forum but time you wake up and you stood with your people. Again, I renew my call to PIA to reject this person as an Ambassador to Eritrea. All the GoE has to do is play the same game that played with the corrupted Redone. Let him stay for three months and get rid of him. There is no honor, morality and ethics with Tigrayan elites. They are all stupid and opportunistic animals. Enough is enough.

  • Selam All,

    PMAA wrote on the FT that if covid-19 is defeated only in the developed countries and not in Africa as well, then, it will return to haunt us all. It should be defeated on a global basis, with a global cooperation.

    Africa’s economy is at the edge of a cliff, e.g, Ethiopia’s economy. The problem is not that of Ethiopia alone, but that of the majority of African countries. The EAL could go bankrupt, the cost of servicing debts is more than our national budget for health, in Ethiopia’s case, which is more or less the same for many other African countries.

    The weak economy, level of education and the culture of sharing are factors that may increase the spread of the virus.

    The G20 nations through the WB and IMF should provide funds before the African health system collapses and they should support the WHO and the African CDC so that African nations are able to handle the Coronovirus crisis.

    Money for developmental projects of African countries should not be diverted to cover their national needs, but should be continued.

    In addition he tweeted that he requested for $150bn aid package, implementation of debt reduction and restructuring for Africa,

    As citizens of the same world, they should work together on a global basis, and not only on a national basis.

    • Paulos

      Selam Horizon,

      PM Abiy should be commended for remaining proactive where the people look up to him for guidance and leadership in these otherwise trying times. That said however, we need to see the seriousness of the virus in comparison with the other lethal strains that had rattled humanity in the past including in the Horn region as well.

      Here is a breakdown if any where the presumed lethality of the Corona is pitched by the media to the extent where it could be a hyperbole if not overly inflated to say the least.

      To be more precise, consider the following mortality rates in percentages. MERS: 34%, SARS: 11%, EBOLA: 90% and Seasonal Flu is 0.1%. When you compare the mortality rate of the Corona virus which is close to 1.4%, you can clearly see that it is only mildly stronger than the Seasonal Flu where the others are extremely lethal. Moreover, the recovery rate is estimated to be over 95% particularly in communities or populations where the immune system is uncompromised.

      Moreover, there is another reason where the sense of optimism is realistic where the fragile nature of the virus can not last in the Tropics including in a country like Ethiopia.

      Viruses among other things are classified according to their genetic sequences as in if they are RNAs or DNAs including according to the nature of their “membranes” as well. If their membranes are insulated by a lipid by-layer, they are designated as “Enveloped” but if they are naked, they are called “Non-Enveloped.” As it happened, like many other seasonal viruses, the Corona virus is “Enveloped.” Thing is, the fact that, the by-layer is lipid, in colder times, it becomes too stiff and rigid and it helps the virus to withstand the onslaught of the host’s immune system. But in hotter season, the lipid melts away so to speak and the virus subsequently dies off. And that is one of the reasons that, it is highly likely the Corona virus may not last in the Tropics or in Temperate regions as well. Again, there is a realistic reason to be optimistic.

      If we look back in history, the last and the worst time where it is generally known as ክፉ ዘመን was when the Italians in the early 1880s brought Rinderpest infected cattles from India through Massawa to the hinterland of Ethiopia where the virus which is very much close to Measles killed thousands of Ethiopians including Araya-Sellasie, the oldest son of Emperor Yohannes. But again, the fact that the Rinderpest virus was “Enveloped”, it couldn’t survive the hot weather and died out before it decimated the entire population for its mortality rate was almost 100%. Of curiosity, Rinderpest is a German word for “Cattle-Plague.” This too shall pass!

      • Selam Paulos,

        Welcome back.
        The Great thing about nature is that whenever it comes with some sort of problem, it always brings with it the solution as well. Otherwise, life wouldn’t have survived on the planet. Let’s hope that the hot weather is nature’s solution for the helpless continent of Africa.

        • Abi

          Hello Horizon
          “እከክ የሰጠ ጥፍር አይነሳም” ይላል ዻውሎስ

          • Selam Abi,

            Can you believe it. It is said in the news that digital woyane is dispersing fake news on youtube that the Ethiopian government has ordered 200K graves to be prepared for the expected Coronavirus deaths.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I think Hayat Adem is back in business.

          • Selam Abi,
            It was meant to terrorise the people. The person is said to be a tplf news reporter stationed in Tigray and owns YouTube channel. He is under arrest. I don’t know how they got him.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            “መሸጥ የለመደ እናቱን ያስማማል
            ባነደደው እሳት እራሱን ያጋያል”
            I cannot wait to see an independent Tigray republic.
            Weyanes are the new ጉግ ማንጉግ

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            When I read the title of the “news”, it creeped me out and I am glad that the person is held accountable.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Horizon:
      Great and timely requests by our good Doctor and PM!
      Am sure it will be a MISSED opportunity if the G-20 in general and the G-7/USA-and the EU Giants specially ,if they miss this golden but feasible opportunity and appeal by Dr AAA.
      Very reasonable, feasible and achievable request .This $150 billion is less than 1% of the GDP of those Giants combined but it will change Africa’s sad status for good.

      • Selam Sultan,
        It is terrifying and difficult to imagine when you hear in the news that almost a thousand people died in 24 hours just in one country. This is biblical. Unless human beings work together to win the war soon, the outcome could be horrible.
        I don’t know how your side of the world is handling the problem. I am not sure, but i think that the number of infected cases in the USA have surpassed that of China.
        People in countries with the viŕus are in despair. Doctors and nurses, the healers, have become victims themselves. They have resorted to old remedies like chloroquine and colchicine. Nobody knows if they will work. Vaccination is far away. Even the test is not yet perfected.
        The good things is that human beings with the help of nature always come out winners. Past pandemics have shown this to be true.
        The 2.2 trillion dollars allocated to fight Covid-19 could do the miracle if used in the right way. Europe as usual has remained behind. European leaders couldn’t agree to allocate money to fight the virus, while two of the countries that are worst hit are in Europe. Europe is not really integrated despite what the leaders say. National feelings are the Achilles heel of the European Union. This is the main reason the Union has failed up to now on important issues that required a United action

        • Sultan M.G.

          Selam Horizon!
          Spot on as usual!

          Am at the forefront as we speak!

          It is scary that the latest cases here in the USA hit above 105k with more than 1500(1600 almost at this minute)deaths.

          This is in the very part of the world championing itself to be the most powerful and the richest one in the world, and yet, unable to provide us with basic PPEs/ personal protective equipment like simple surgical face masks, let alone with essential Ventilators!

          Blame the ego of the stubborn Trump but it is scary… to see our own colleagues at the “ war front” against this virus, not just getting sick but dying, families shattering apart thru death and sickness .

          Witnessing the collapse of the economy of the richest country in the world within 2-3 weeks is beyond comprehension!!!

          The world should UNITE better than ever.

          It is so scary as to how the poor nations would/can handle this health tsunami!

          Stay home,safe and healthy

          But the Chinese experience gave us HOPE and there seem to be light at the end of the tunnel provided we take brave, bold and appropriate Public Health Measures like the brave Chinese have done it.
          The Italian and Spanish experience is but scary though…

  • Selam Paulos,

    You are absent from the front when a raging battle is being fought against the coronavirus and racism. You are badly needed by both fronts. Don’t worry about your affiliation, just come back.
    Gonderes are known for being obstinate people. It seems that Eritreans do not fall far behind. Come back with your free mind, and don’t hesitate to say your mind. This is a free world. “እውነቱን ተናግሮ በመሸበት ማደር፣” ይላል ሐበሻ.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Horizon,

      Gondere = Obstinate

      Ras Abi is Gondere

      Therefore

      Ras Abi = Obstinate

      • Abi

        Hello Ato Amanuel
        Ras Abi is Gondere in name only.
        I’ve been to Gonder only once for 48 hours.

      • Teodros Alem

        selam aman h
        Change to what ? To a better ? Or to ur level? No body wants to change to ur level. People always want to change for the better, not to be like u restless.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ዓዋተ

    ቻይና ዶ ምዕራብ
    ‘ቶም ብቐለም ዝጸገብኩም
    ‘ተፍቂድኩምልና ምዝራብ
    ቅይር መበልኩዎ ናብ
    ምብዳም ‘ዶ ምግራብ
    ምድረ ኮንጎ ‘ዶ ምድረ የዕራብ
    ብ ኣድጊ ‘ዶ ብፈረስ ምግላብ
    ‘ንታይ ገበርናኩም ተንብሑና ከም ኣኽላብ

    በሉ
    ሰብ ብኮሮና ተሓሚሳ
    ነቚጣታት በዚ ቫይረስ ከይበርሳ
    ክትብል ልብና ተሓሚሳ
    ናይ መን ስርሓት ይሓይሽ?
    ናይ ሰበይተይ ቦርሳ
    ጌርኩማ

    ሕማም ኮሮና ጠፊኡ
    ከይተባህለ
    ሰብ ኣብ ገዝኡ ተሓቢኡ
    ግዝኣት ቻይና ‘ዶ ዋላስ ምዕራብ
    ዝብል ሓተታ መሊኡ

    ይሓልም ድየ ዘለኹ ዋላ
    ይዕዘብ ኣለኹ ናይ ቨርቹዋል ጓይላ
    ኣለኹ ኣይመውትን ዝብል ማሕላ
    ———ዝብል ዓብሊሉ
    ———ዓለም ብዓለሙ ወዲስ ሰብ ስጊኡ
    ———ኣየ ደቂ ኤረይ ሰብ ትጭነቕ
    ———ከመይ’ሉ ‘ዩ ልብና ረጊኡ

    ዶ ዋላስ ከም ቀደሙ
    ሰብ ብኣና ክግረሙ
    ደቂ ኣዳም ‘ንዳረገፉ ከም ደማሙ
    ዓለም ብዓለሙ
    ንሕና ድማ ጭርጭር-ዓበደ ኣብ ሃዳሙ
    ጸሎት ንገብረሎም ነቶም ዝተረግሙ
    ስጋዕ ንጭመት ሓደ ብሓደ
    ብናይ ኮሮና ቅ-ሕርሙ
    ዘየተውዕል ሰብስ ናብ ጉሁሙ
    ንብለኩም

  • Brhan

    Hello Awatista,

    First of all stay safe.

    I think it is not the right time to discuss the China Vs US. Under this event we have become so emotional and emotions do not help to positive discussions. When this over , it will be good time to discuss if China or US will beat the other as a super power. When it is over it is going to be rational thinking. Now we are anxious and some of us angry , I don’t want us , to raise the issue while we are angry. Not only we will be biased but also that can lead us to be racist.

    Before I end my comment here I would like to invite you read an article as an example of rational thinking amid another circumstance :
    “Can the power of prayer alone stop a pandemic like the coronavirus? Even the prophet Muhammad thought otherwise/opinion / Newsweek March 17, 2020”

    • Selam Brhan,
      There is this story. A person fell from a ship and he was in danger of drowning. Somebody from the ship throws him a life vest. He says to himself, God will come and save me, and he ignores the life vest. Few metres away he saw a plank of wood floating. Again he says, God will come and save him, and he ignored it. A small boat approaches and tries in its turn to save him. He refuses saying, God will come and save him. Finally he is drowned.
      When he appears before the Lord, the man complains to his God, I have been a good religious person all my life, I was in danger of drowning and You didn’t come to help me.
      The Lord responds to him. What else did you expect me to do. I tried to help you in three different ways, and you refused.
      God made us human beings different from other animals. He gave us the brain to think with. Human beings achieved science with the power of their brain. It is the weapon given by God with which they can help themselves and improve their lives. Why should they be like the foolish man and not use science to help themselves and choose only prayer to be saved. Religion and science are the work of God. They aren’t contradictory. The one is meant for the spiritual world and the other for the physical world. They fulfill eachother and they do not contradict each other, unless human beings want to be gods themselves. Even Pope Paul II had said that Catholics should be prepared to believe evolution. Therefore, human beings should do both, pray and use science at the same time to save themselves.
      (Hope you will forgive me for commenting before reading the article. I will do so soon).

  • Haile S.

    Dear forumers,

    Food for thought: I don’t understand the disgust of some of you on certain chinese food. Just to mention some food that could be considered as unusual to others and some of our country’s people eat.
    Don’t we eat the tripe admixed with bile? When there is no bile in the gallbladder, we collect the bile that went into the duodenum with all the bacteria there? Don’t we eat (a delicacy BTW) sheep brain (many of you might not know)? Don’t we eat Rocky Mountain oysters? Some of us in hurry eat the oysters before fully cooked with the milk pouring from the side of our mouth. etc etc…

    • Selam Haile S.,

      People seem to have forgotten that Ethiopians eat raw meat, the Maasai drink milk mixed with blood from their cattle, in central Africa they eat apes (this is how human beings were infected with HIV, if we believe it), etc. There are different dietary practices around the world. They have been around for centuries. We can’t demonize them for that. Every human being exists depending on the surrounding, and on what it provides for existence.
      In the Abi and Amanuel H. saga, in my opinion, Abi is right when he says that the Chinese hid the epidemic. The whistle-blowers were put behind ?bars, the doctor included, who lost his life to the virus. On the Amanuel side: when the Chinese realized the graveness of the situation, the way they handled the epidemic was phenomenal with two 1000 and 1500 bed hospitals being built within a period of a week each, and locking away millions of people and whole cities. On top of that, what they are doing now, helping Africa, some European countries like Italy, Greece, etc, with medical supplies, show their solidarity with the world community.
      On the contrary, the head of the american CDC, I think, was saying he wished he could push away Trump from the microphone, because he felt embarrassed with what Trump was saying.
      On how the epidemic started, the Americans blame the Chinese, and the Chinese blame the American army that visited Wuhan. Americans are also accusing WHO Chief Tedros Andom, whom they say was supported by China for the position. They say that he failed to blame China, and even tried to whitewash chinese failures.
      In these difficult times, when cooperation is expected from the two world powers, they are accusing each other instead of working together. Trump says this is not his virus. It is a “foreign virus, a chinese virus”, an imported virus despite his beautiful tariff on imported chinese goods., while the chinese say americans sent us the virus and we sent it back to the sender.😒
      In the meantime, Coronavirus is killing people every day in their hundreds, and human beings could end up completely helpless unless they work together to stop it now and not tomorrow, when it will be too late. At the same time, let’s pray (those who believe in God), that it mutates to a less virulent strain similar to the old guy, the flu virus, that comes in winter and goes away in spring and summer, and moreover, human beings should get prepared for the new virus that will be coming in the future. No doubt it will come, unless………

      • Abi

        Hello Horizon
        Are you inviting us to finish your sentence?
        No doubt it will come , unless እየሱስ ክርስቶስ ቀድሞ ካልመጣ ::
        On Ras Abi VS Amanuel saga, Ras Abi sent Amanuel back to ደጃች ባልቻ hospital for further treatment and concussion symptoms.

        • Selam Abi,

          Indeed, all minds are required to solve the problem of Coronavirus pandemic. Past pandemics have cost tens of millions of lives (1918 flu pandemic, the black death, etc). Let’s hope this one will go away with a few thousands dead.
          In Ethiopia, it is said that only 12 people are infected and no death up to now. We hope that with all our heart. The problem is, as some people ask, do we really know all the cases, when there is only one referral laboratory in addis and none in the regional state capitals, some political parties continue to call meetings (PP), OLF has made wollega unreachable, church leaders do not seem to be abiding by the directions given by the government to which they had agreed, if EAL has stopped all flights despite the big loss ($190mn up to now), etc.
          You must be better than Amanuel in “testa” to cause him concussion. I hope both of you will get along in the future. With me, we don’t see eye to eye on certain topics, nevertheless, we seem to get along, i think.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I don’t believe any number coming from Ethiopia.

            You can’t beat Ato Amanuel with testa. Only Berhe can beat him when it comes to using the shell. I like to use the substance under the shell. What happened to Ato Amanuel was he hit the wall during the debate with the only ራሥ in the house.
            ራሶች ጭንቅላታቸውን ለማሰብ ብቻ ነው የሚጠቀሙበት::

            The reason you don’t see eye to eye with Amanuel is because he is blinded by tplf love. He can’t see.

    • Abi

      Hello ጋሽዬ
      ምላስና ሰንበርማ ምርጥ ምግብ ነው ጌታው!
      ምነው በአቢይ ፆም ስለዱለት ታነሳለህ? ወንጀል ነው!

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም እቢ፡

        ተወኝ ወንድሜ የስንብሩ
        እሽት እሽት እያረጉ ሲወረውሩ

        እንዲለሰልስ ሲንቆረጠጥ
        እስኪበስል ድረስ በጉልበት

        ኣብየት ጥርስ ሲያኖሩበት መለስለሱ
        ጥቅሙን ማጉደል ነው ሥጋን መጥበሱ

        • Abi

          Hello ጋሽዬ
          እንዲህ ነው እንጂ ጌታው!!!
          ሥጋን ሲያዋርዱት ቀቀሉት
          ሰንበርን ሲያዋርዱት ጠበሱት
          ምላስን ሲያዋርዱት ለሱልጣን ሰጡት
          ጭንቅላትን ሲያዋርዱት በርሄ ላይ አስቀመጡት
          ጨጏራን ሲመልጡት ለአቢ አጋለጡት
          ልቀጥል?
          ኧረ ተወኝ ልፁምበት ከእግዜሩም ከሰውም እንዳልጣላብህ::

          “ታናሽ ታላቅን የሚበልጠው ልኳንዳ ቤት ብቻ ነው” ይላሉ ሥጋ አፍቃሪዎች:: ምን ማለታቸው ነው?

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ያገርህ ሰዎች እንዳሉት፥

            ታላቅና ታናሻ ተሰቅሎ ቤትሽ
            ምነው የሰው ኣንጀት ኣንቺ መብላትሽ

            I forgot which one is which. Is ታናሽ the sirloin?

          • Hashela

            ቀኒእና
            ጸሚእና
            ስሕት ስሕት ኢልካ ደርብየልና
            ግጥሚ ትግሪኛ

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ሓሸላ፡

            ሓሸላየ ሓሸላ ሓሸላ፡
            ኣጆኻ ‘ዛ ትግርኛና ኣብኣ ኣላ
            ንዓኣ ካይገድፋ ይኹነኒ ማሕላ

            መሃንድሻ ካብ ኮሮና ሃዲሙ ኮሮና ይግጥም እዚ ክኢላ
            እስማዒል-ዓዓ ቅዱስ ገብሪኤል ነጊርዎ ብእዋኑ ሕከላ

            ገሊኦም ካብ ገዛና ሃዲሞም የካይዱ ኩብለላ
            ኣነ እወፍር እኔኹልካ፡ እታ ዘላ ኣብኣ ኣላ
            ርሕቀት እናሓለኹ እኸይድ ብዝላ!

          • Hashela

            ኮሮና ሓላዊ ቡቕሊ ጌራትና
            ምስ ቆልዓን ሰበይትን ተባእሰና
            ስራሕ ማዕዶ ፈንፊንና

            ከም ሕጹናት ምዓልታዊ ንማላለሶ’ና!
            ተመሊሱ ናይ ማእሲ ስብእነትና

          • Hashela

            በል ተጠንቀቕ
            ብንእስነትካ ካብ’ዛ ዓለም ክይትልቀቕ

            መን ካልዮ እዚ ደንበ
            ክይንስእን ደንበበ

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,
            Thank you!

            ንዕንባባ ዕንባባ እኳ እንተዘይብሉ
            ንmolecule molecule ኣለዎ ተብሂሉ

            መዓት መድሃኒት እዪ ዝፍተን ዘሎ ጸረ ኮረና
            ሓንቲ’ሲ ክትረከብ’ያ እንተውሓደ እተ’ዕግሰልና

            እቲ ዋና ነገር ክትባት ምርካብ’ዩ ቁምነገሩ
            ሕማም ካየልዓለ ዝሃርሞ ንኮረና ብርኪ እግሩ

            ካብ ክትባት’ውን ኣሎና ሓደ ክልተ ዓበይቲ ተስፋ
            ዘይተባኹዖ ድኣ ኮይኑ እምበር ወሳሲኽካ ላፋ

            ከም ቀደም ‘ተዝኸውን ዝፍተን መድሃኒት ብዘይ ምቁጽጻር
            እታ ዝተረኽበት ምስተፈተነት ብዘይ ምውዓል ምሕዳር

            ሎሚ ግና ተፈታኒ መድሃኒት፡ እንተ ኣሕኪኽዎ
            ኣብ ሰብ ፈተነ ደው ክብል ክፍርዝ ክጸንሕ ኣለዎ
            ተፈታኒ ጥዕና ከምዘይጎደሎ ክሳብ ዘረጋግጽዎ

          • Hashela

            Wunderbar!
            I will come back. Momentan dealing with submission deadlines.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            የእንግሊዝኛውን ሥም አላውቀውም:: የማውቀው ልኳንዳ ቤት ስትሄድ ታናሽ ከታላቅ ይወደዳል::

            “በዕለተ ሁዳዴ ፆም በተያዘበት
            ይህች ሰው ገደፈች በላች የሰው አንጀት”
            ይላል ያገርህ ዘፋኝ

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Sem,

      I will ask you two questions and will make two statements.

      Questions:

      1 – Could US mange to feed with its “system” if it has the same population China has? Fact = US has one fourth of China’s population now.

      2 – Could US have the current stature without importing the “best minds” of the world?

      Statement:

      1- Whatever China does, it is purely by the mind of its people and its own know how.

      2- Unlike the US, the current development of Chinese acquired with few decades as oppose to US two and half centuries. Something the Chinese make them unique. With the current trajectories Chinese will be ahead of US in two to three decades. That is what my statistical model shows me.

      • Haile S.

        Hi Emma,

        You sent this to me by mistake, I believe. How do I forward it to the elusive ወዲ-ሕድርትና iSem?

        • iSem

          Hi HaileS

          Even you the master of Tig culture, say ወዲ-ሕድርትና, there is no such thins as ወዲ-ሕድርትና, but there is yehwatna:-)

          • Haile S.

            Selam iSem,

            How about king Oberon in Oberon and Titania?

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Amanuel
        Two things
        1)The agricultural waste in the USA can feed the world.
        2) Chinese invented nada. They only copy others
        3 bonus for you
        USA is a young state compared to China.
        Your statistical data is completely wrong.It is made in China.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Ras Abi

          I hate to agree with Amanuel H. and disagree with your highness but, but, but……

          1. – According to my statistics, Power = Land size + Population size (Human resource)

          2. – Land size: both have about the same size (China’s land-size 2% bigger)

          3. – Population size: China about 20% of world population; USA about 4.25% of world population.

          4. – Wealth per capita: True an average American will always be richer than an average Chinese. So what? An Average citizen of the small (Tiny) Gulf Arab countries is richer than an average American citizen – but weaker and vulnerable.

          5. – “Chinese invented nada. They only copy others”

          Well, in life you don’t need to invent a knife; just make it shaper. You don’t need to invent an airplane; just make it faster. You don’t need to invent a gun; just make it deadlier. You got my drift!

          6. – ጋሼ ዓቢ: I think your statistical data is completely wrong. It is made in Egypt 🙂

          Your ወንበዴ brother in law.

          ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            Actually, you should be happy that you get something you could agree with me. I start to count…1….2…3 going forward. The prospect is positive. BTW, where have been this long? Welcome back.

            Regards,

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            Good to hear (read) from you. I miss conversing with you.

            “Actually, you should be happy that you get something you could agree with me.”

            Always Aman, always! The things we disagree about are minuscule compared to what we agree on.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            Hello ወንድም ጋሼ
            የወንበዴ ነገር!
            I agree on #8
            Everything that is made or assembled in Egypt is WRONG!!!
            Glad to see you again.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            Before we proceed further, your assertion that Power = Land size + Population size does not pass the litmus test. It must be based on some kind of voodoo statistics. I can bring many counter examples to disprove it.

            One other thing, you ex-guerrilla chaps seem to have soft spot for communists and other dictators even during old age.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam simon k
            Power=economic power+military power.
            economic power=human resources(the more modern advanced people)+natural resources(more related to land)+ capital resources.
            Military power=economic power+human resources(the more advanced and modern the more powerful)
            So Semere Tesfai is right.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Simon Kaleab

            “Before we proceed further, your assertion that Power = Land size + Population size does not pass the litmus test. It must be based on some kind of voodoo statistics. I can bring many counter examples to disprove it.

            One other thing, you ex-guerrilla chaps seem to have soft spot for communists and other dictators even during old age.”

            Make my day!!

            I challenge you to prove to me wrong. I can’t wait to see your non-guerilla brain power.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            First, you did not produce any statistics to back your claim. You just stated your wish as if it is a statement of fact.

            There are abundant examples in history where relatively smaller nations with fewer resources and populations built huge empires.

            To grasp this, you need to uninstall [unlearn] the dogmatic information that is planted in your brain for decades while you were a guerrilla fighter.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Simon KaleAb

            1. – “You are showing a victimhood mentality. Freedom starts from the liberation of the mind……. If you think America is bad, did the US government force you come to America? You are free to relocate to China, Cuba, Venezuela or El Dorado Eritrea. Remember, coming to America is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT.”

            Simon: They say – “Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss about people.”
            Now you know the size of your brain. Bless your heart!

            Back to the main argument: Power of a Nation = Land Size + Population Size (Human Resource or Human Capital).

            Still the challenge is on – just in case you’ve a thinking brain that can challenge an Ex-CheguAr Danga, born and breed in Hagereseb, and educated at the Ex-Guerilla University in Barka.
            Again, this is my argument:

            1. – Power of a nation is Economic Power. Military might being the arrow and shield (muscle) of a nation’s economy; and politics diplomacy and foreign policy being the vision (philosophy/strategy) of global domination that guides the economic power.

            2. -The 2019 US Nominal GDP was about 22 trillion dollars. And the US 2019 population was about 330 million people.

            3. – In the 2019 calendar year, the number of US service men and women in uniform were as following: active 1.4 million, enlisted 1.2 million, reserve 800,000, civilian (military support) active about 700,000 + 110,000 reserve.

            4. – Now, for the sake of argument, let’s take the state of Israel – a nation with a population of 10 million, with a land-size of, one of the smallest nations in our world. And these is my argument:

            5. – In today’s world, it is mathematically impossible for Israel to be a dominant world economic power with a 22 trillion annual nominal GDP. Neither its population size (Human Capital) nor its land size would allow it to be one

            6. – Because it is mathematically impossible for Israel:

            A. – To run an economy with a 22 trillion dollar GDP with a human resource of 10 million people. Impossible!

            B. – It is mathematically impossible for Israel to research produce market distribute import and export resources and commodities across the globe for a 22 trillion dollar annual GDP with a human capital of 10 million people

            C. – It is mathematically impossible for Israel militarily – to secure the skys, the ocean’s, the seas, and the lands of this globe – in order to insure the stability and the free flow of natural resources and commodities of a 22 trillion economy, with a human capital of 10 million people

            D. – It is mathematically impossible to find land-space for airports, sea ports, global industries, residential and recreational space for a 22 trillion economy in the land of the current Jewish state.

            7. – Literally, Israel has to colonize countries across the globe to run thak kind of economy – which will lead to fighting insurgency all over the globe.

            Just to give you an idea, the gist of my argument.

            Expecting you to impress me with your Western education

            Semere Tesfai

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            Unfortunately, your Barka University is a failed brand; no sane person believes in it anymore. And your bombastic claims are either bogus or irrelevant-a waste of space and time.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            Ask him the none bogus argument. Anyway, he has no the ability to argue. Agree/disagree he can not challenge you. Chegar danga wins.

          • Abi

            What is Chegar danga?
            Thanks

          • Hashela

            Abi
            It means young men from rural regions.

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ጨጓራ ባት ማለት ነው። እርስዎ በሚገባዎት ቋንቋ፡ የሽፍታ እግር።

          • Hashela

            Haile

            sorry for spoling your funny translation. I wish I could take mine back!

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            Yours is the perfect intended translation.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ፀጉራም እግር?

          • Haile S.

            Yes Abi,

            Woolly calf!

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            Now that is Hashela’s territory.

          • Hashela

            Abi
            I am very busy this week. So be easy with me.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            Grading papers?

          • Hashela

            Done with gradings! NSF proposals!

          • Abi

            Good luck.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Chegar danga = a new term crafted by EPLF to refers to the sons of the farmers with woolly calf (hairy calf). Also refers to illiterates.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            የቀንየለይ

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            It is a codeword for ‘a failure in life’, an ageing Maoist who is tired of living but scared of dying.

          • Abi

            Simon
            እንዳልኖር ሰለቸኝ እንዳልሞት ጨነቀኝ
            ግራ የተጋባሁ ጨጏር ዳንጋ ሆንኩኝ

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            You are now reduced to cheering on the sidelines.

          • iSem

            Hi Semere
            the Roman Empire at its peak it has close to 500,000 army and it controlled almost the entire world
            Great Britain has about 200,000 service mean and its sun never set.
            So even now Israel will not need that much man power with its technology. It is already controlling 300, million Arabs who are so brainless tat they cannot even use their Allah given grace to lift their population. If you create the know how you do not need man power and you can grab the and as the Romans did and the British did. The Indian population was about 250 million under British while the British population was about 6 million

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Moksi

            “If you create the know how you do not need man power and you can grab the and as the Romans did and the British did.”

            ኣታ ቆልዓ – If you keep nagging me, I’m going Djibouti, Grenda, Vatican city on you.

            Semere Tesfai

          • iSem

            Semere
            For the record, I bring to your attention that I liked this comment. You did not defect, you did not change, you exuded humoour. Ylmdeka:-)

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        እዚ’ዩ ትርፋ ኣብ ሞንጎ እንዳ ሰራሕካ ዝግበር ምልውዋጥ ሓሳብ:: I will leave a note for Sem under his own thread. Thank you.

      • iSem

        Hi Emma:
        As far I can tell all humans had the same start, USA and Europe figured that out and allowed freedom of thinking while the Chines were slaughtering their people, it is choice. I do not like communist government, I do not admire them, Russia is one, though they have impressive tech, it still lags behind USA and its economy is the size of NY state its HIV rate is like some third word.
        Yea, USA imports minds byt why do the minds are wiling to be imported and serve usa and abandon their country is the question and that is the
        The idea of liberty is taken for granted and that is dangerous and china and liberty is not reconcilable.
        And do not be fooled by Semere Tesfay, Semere will change will disagree with you when PFDJ sings the usa praises and insults china.
        When am elected prime minster of Eri (yea we will change it to par system, not that i prefer it to presidential system but because PFDJ touched it) I will kick out every thing china

        • Abi

          Hello iSem
          There is a park Hyatt hotel to be built in Addis by the Chinese. It is going to be 99 floors of which 74 of them to be designated for headquarters for many Chinese corporations that operate all over Africa.
          They are here to stay, unfortunately.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Sem,

          You tried to answer my second question, though I need you to do some comparative benefit on the nature of the so called “exploitation” China vs the West. The West comes to Africa not to exploit the natural resources but also to drive the political system of the countries behind the curtain. China does not. Who cares what political system the Chinese has for their people as far as they don’t interfere in the politics of the African countries.

          Second, could you try to answer my first question. “Population” matters a lot as to what kind of “system” you need, when the needs of the big population is in dire situation. I strongly believe the kind of the “US system” where 1% of the population controls 80% of the wealth of the nation can not handle to run that kind of population China has. Absolutely not. Leave alone, to manage the population of China, even to their own current population can not narrow the gaps between the haves and have not. If you believe the “US system” could mange to that kind of population, pls enlighten us. Capitalism System only fit to relatively small population, it can not feed to the kind of China population. Peace and stability does not depend only on “freedom” of the society, it also depend how mange the wealth of the nation. Remember “wealth” and “population” are “inversely proportional” because as the population grows resources diminishes. Now it is your turn.

          • iSem

            Hi Emma:
            Your first q is hypothetical. We cannot conjecture if USA had big population how it would handle, maybe the economics theories some some of the western men like Milton F, Keneth and Recardo would have solve it differently
            I agree with you on the capitalism of one percent but capitalism was better than communism soon with the advent of AI and the environment, the damage it did to the climate capitalism has to change that is why some countries experimenting with UBI, so capitalism served us well but it has to change now
            China does not interfere in the internal politics because they do not care if the despots mows his people, and the Chinese god does not care. the Europeans are looking after their own interest and that is not new, but at least they transfer knowledge, they build some inst, like churches. That is what am saying.

            And how about China, do u think the system is fair? their system did not work for them that is why they want to be capitalism

            the idea that as population increase resources diminish is true but we can create resources that is why the Europeans figured out when they thought colonizing was the only way to get wealth,but when they figured out,, decolonization was abandoned, one of the reasons, at least

            China now is trying to make Ethiopia its head quarter as Ras Abi said, just like the Italians did with picola Roma and we should have issues with that. I prefer organic development, short of that do not go for the cheap pagan china, go for the quality, for knowledge transfer, for the one whose God is God of Abram, Issaac and Jacob:-:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            This is not a hypothetical question. I gave you real population “the .population of China”. Can the American system manage to that kind of population? If you are against the Chines system, you should be deadly sure to bring the alternative to that huge population. You can’t throw it to Milton and Ricardo and others. The Miltons Ricardos do not have a solution to such kind population. They aren only throwing the same political diet – a system that benefit to a few. When we debate, I like this system is not enough. If you like any system, then Show is how that system is also good to others, in this case, the Chinese people. But if you throw the problem to Milton and others, and of course they don’t have any solution to the kind of population. The population of China is real, it is not a hypothetical population. Again can the US system handle or manage the population of China? If no don’t blame the current system of China. If yes, how? Knowing, the current system can not solve the poverty and the health issue of their population. It is not a matter of liking, it is a matter of addressing the livelihood of society.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Mokhsi

          1. – “As far I can tell all humans had the same start, USA and Europe figured that out and allowed freedom of thinking while the Chines were slaughtering their people.”

          Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
          But let me make few pints here:

          A. – Empires came and go. And American Empire won’t be any different. It is not a matter of if but a matter of when. Case in point:

          10 Greatest Empires in the History of World

          Mughal Empire (1526–1858)
          Mongol Empire (1206–1368) …
          Russian Empire (1721–1917) Image Source. …
          Qing Dynasty (1890–1912) Image Source. …
          Umayyad Caliphate (661–750) Image Source. …
          Roman Empire ( 27 BC–AD 476/1453) Image Source. …
          Achaemenid Empire (550 BC–330 BC) Image Source. …
          Akkadian Empire (2300 BC–2200 BC) Image Source. …

          B. – “USA allowed freedom of thinking while the Chines were slaughtering their people.”

          Who are considered (their) people? Blacks were slaved and considered low IQ animals for centuries, then advanced to 3/5 of a person, then improved to a life of segregated inferior human; and today after calling the USA home for centuries, most blacks are still living a life of poverty, destitution, drugs, alcohol, gun violence, unjust justice system ………. The history of Native Americans is even worst, the Latinos don’t still consider themselves enjoying their freedom as you want us to believe. And I can go on and on and on

          C. – The mother of Mushroom Cloud, the Mother of Shock & Owe, the mother GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) Mother of All Bombs – which has used each one on human beings – is no less violent country than any nation on this planet. That is a fact.

          2. – “USA imports minds but why are the minds wiling to be imported and serve usa and abandon their countries is the question.”

          People (colored) don’t came to the West seeking freedom. They make a living working the kind of jobs, they wouldn’t take at home.

          3. – The idea of liberty is taken for granted and that is dangerous and china and liberty are not reconcilable.”

          When a “monkey from a shit-hole country” thinks he is enjoying freedom in the Western World that never had at home – it’s prudent to stop the discussion right there.
          Semere Tesfai

          Semetre Tesfai

          • iSem

            Dear Semere: welcome from mkublal, am glad the punishment is not shot to kill here. Shukren abu Salah 🙂

            I agree with you that everything has life time. Empires die. So two people agree with you today
            Now on your point, not in order

            2. Yes people of colour or come to the west for freedom and also for work and many came by force, slavery, unlimited maaton in the cotton fields

            3. I do not know who you calling monkey, but yes Trump was correct to call those countries like Eritrea shit-hole, though the messenger is bad,he spoke truth. Like MZ when he said his colour of their eyes comment. Facts are what they are we left our shit-hole countries and came and we enjoy freedoms that our countries denied us and you sir, are here for both bread and freedom, though you deny freedom to those in the shit-hole Eritrea
            Yes, humans were created at the same and given same chance, the by God, chinese and the shit-holes countries were not later comers to planet earth, they made different choices
            Your relish the obvious, I know about slavery, I read some and natives problems and I do not condone it, like I do not condone what is happening in Eri. But you are a walking contradiction
            And there is some truth , though what happened to the natives is heinous, they were here for 12,000 years and they were uncivilized and show me one thing that you use that they have created. If the topic is about USA past and its crimes etc, we can debate that, but that is not the point and I am right.
            Communism failed and people from communist countries come to the west, the Arab spring was a demand of freedom, the ghedli was for freedom, that is why Eri is not liberated yet, the land i liberated,Land ruled by your own is not equal to liberty, simon can come up with the equation:-)
            I am not saying western civilization will last for ever, am saying those of you who are intoxicated by china are wrong, but am not canonizing USA

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere T.,

            You are showing a victimhood mentality. Freedom starts from the liberation of the mind.

            Some tips:

            -show respect for the life of fellow human beings

            -develop a sense right and wrong

            -have self-belief

            -develop mental strength

            -avoid mind altering substances

            -avoid teenage pregnancy

            -each family should aspire to give their children better education than themselves had.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Sem,

          Unlike US, here is what a Chines billionaire offered to Eritrea to fight the deadly virus and some African countries.

          https://erena.org/ቻይናዊ-ወናኒ-ብልዮናት-ዝለገሶ-መመርመሪ/

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Bill Gates has been fighting malaria and other diseases in Africa for years. Don’t be the one biting the hand that feeds you. Your new found love to China is blinding you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            I am talking when the need is more than any other time. God forbid, the current virus can kill in millions in the poor African countries, if help is not extended to them from the so rich counties. We count them only on our critical bad time.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Malaria > Coronavirus
            Malaria has been killing us for centuries. In Africa it is almost always a critical time just like it is always a rush hour in New York City.
            Many western foundations have been with us for decades.
            Believe me when the cameras are off the Chinese philanthropy will be off as well.
            The western foundations remain doing the good deeds without the cameras flashing.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            So, are you saying if the Chinese philanthropist withdraw, the West could show up? I don’t expect such argument from you. It does not make sense. The need of help for “dire situation” is expected from the West and East. I hope you will not tell me, that the West could not show up to help Italy, because China is extending their hand and Cub is sending a team of doctors.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            እስቲ ደግሞ በአማርኛ ልሞክር
            እኔ የምለው ምእራባዊያን የበጎ አድራጎት ድርጅቶች የተለያዩ በሽታዎችን ለመከላከልና ለማጥፋት ከብዙ አመታት ጀምሮ ዕውቀታቸውን ጊዜያቸውንና ገንዘባቸውን ሳይሰስቱ ከጎናችን ቆመዋል::
            እርስዎ ዛሬ እነዚህን ጊዜ የመሰከረላቸውን ድርጅቶች ከአንድ ባለፀጋ ቻይናዊ ጋር ሲያነፃፅሯቸው ሳይ ልቤ በድንጋጤ ጥውልግ አለችልዎ::

            አውቀው በድፍረት ሳያውቁ በስህተት ለፈፀሙት መተላለፍ ይቅርታ አድርጌልዎታለሁ::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Learn to say thank you. If some one brought you soups when you are sick, what should you say in return? And when the Chinese extended their hand to your people, you should say the same thing. Have a good one till we find other subject to argue on. We had fun.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            የቀንየለይ

          • Girma

            Selam Abi,

            The Chinese presence in Africa does not last longer than 30 years. On the other hand, Europeans and Americans have been on the continent from colonial times to the present day.

            The question now is what advantages our continent has gained through this long western presence ? The answer is Nothing NADA.

            Despite much legitimate criticism, Ethiopia can serve as a show case what the Chinese have contributed to the economic transformation of the continent over the past 30 years.

            In 1990, Ethiopia’s GDP was $ 12.18 billion, annual gross national income $ 420.00, with a population of around 48 million.

            In 2019, Ethiopian GDP grew to $ 91.17 billion, annual gross national income to $ 953.18, and unfortunately the population also to 111 million.

            This impressive growth would probably have been unattainable without chinese support.

            If population growth had been contained, the benefits of economic growth for individual Ethiopians would have been much better.

            So, what is the reason for your hatred of the Chinese ? as you see, it is not the Economy.

          • Selam Girma,

            It looks like the Chinese came to stay. They are transforming the continent of Africa with infrastructures as never seen before, African leaders call China a friend both in good and bad times, and it seems that they have understood China is the future world leader.
            The Chinese are playing their cards differently and cleverly, in my opinion. They are not interested in the internal politics of a country, they don’t give loans without making sure that they are putting their money in a good place, they don’t give money into the hands of African kleptocrats, but only in the form of developmental infrastructures.
            The West knew very well that it was not interested in Africa’s economic development so that it could exploit it forever, nor in democracy when it said that aid is attached to the implementation of democracy. While advertised democracy, it was (still is) working with African dictators who are supporting their interest. Case in point is Trump who sometimes tells the truth out of his foolishness, when he called Al-Sisi, “my favorite dictator”.
            The west knew they were putting their loan money into the black hole of corrupt African leaders, and yet they didn’t care, because it gave them the chance to rob the loan money themselves in cooperation with african kleptocrats.
            Many African countries, hopeless as they were said to be by the West, have more than doubled their GDP and their per capita income.
            Population growth, within the expected range if possible, is not any more a negative factor in economic development. China has proved it. The important thing is to put to good use the hands and brains of all these people, which will catapult the economy.
            Other than the Coronavirus, the only major problem i see in Ethiopia is the toxic political atmosphere created by ethnic politics. I hope that those who are intoxicated with ethnic-nationalism will come to understand that enemies like the Coronavirus are not going to stop at the ethnic borders and they are not going to ask for their ethnic ID, so that some special ethnic groups shall be spared.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Girma,

            So, you are claiming that the Chinese are doing charity in Africa? Why would the Chinese, who are nasty to their own people, be charitable elsewhere? Dream on! There is no free lunch in this world.

            The Chinese have many problems of their own, mainly population explosion. They are desperately hungry for raw material resources and new markets. They are not economically self-sufficient. They are known to use loans as leverage.

            Assuming the GDP figures you quoted are correct, the growth could be attributed to many factors, the main being the opening of the Ethiopian economy to private investors. Remember also, you used 1990 [Derg era] as a base year.

            Let us leave the study of the effect of the economic involvement of the Chinese to research economists, they can gather relevant data and use their analytical tools to arrive at conclusion. We, as non-specialists, can only bring anecdotal information.

            My main complaint about the Chinese is the spread of viral diseases due to corruption and negligence- a result of their totalitarian system. Since 2000, there have been 5 to 6 viruses that originated in China.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Horizon,

      I hate that some people try to corner us when we criticize China as if we are supporting the US.

      The US has a lot of things it needs to be criticized but since it a democracy, what ever the state actors do or don’t do, sooner or later it becomes public for the most part. In other words, they system being open, its by default allow to self correct it self.

      China on the other it isn’t. It’s secretive and oppressive state, it does what ever it needs to get ahead, even at the expense of its people and others around the world.

      They way it’s trying to crack down Hong Kong is a clear sign what it wants to do.

      It’s not a race thing at all. I don’t think anyone here can say the same thing about Japan,

      Do we criticize if they eat sushi or what have no.

      Do we criticize South Korea or Taiwan or other Asian countries?

      Simply no, because their system is self correcting as well with some degree of openness.

      What China good at is, R&D to make everything worst. Flashy on the outside but nothing that last a long time.

      I will never say about Japan or Korea.

      Berhe

      • Abi

        Hawna Berhe
        I support USA any day, any minute, any second….

        • sara

          Ato Abi,–
          i dont know who/what provoked you to seriously debate about america the great… i never saw you writing lengthy “Hateta”ala MS.
          as they say what is the catch…?

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            I always defend America the Great!!!!!
            I don’t know why I’m writing hateta. May be it is because I miss Teg Vet Mahmud.

      • Selam Berhe,

        In my opinion, I think that there are two Americas (USA). The USA of the white, the rich and the powerful, who are right if they say that their country is the pantheon of democracy. On the opposite side, there is the USA of the Blackman, where blacks live in fear and hopelessness throughout centuries, with no end to be seen in the horizon.
        Blacks are killed by the police in the streets as if they are wild animals, and the law justifies the actions of the perpetrators in different ways, and they go home scot free. They even kill black children and get away with it. All these are in the news. It is reminiscent of egyptian officers in anglo-egyptian sudan, who were target practicing with black africans, and Churchill was outrageous when he heard about it. What the cops are doing in the USA is more than a hundred years later, in a supposedly civilized country.
        Has there ever been democracy for the blackman in the USA, since Africans were forced to set foot in the new world, and you give publicity to american democracy? Has this democracy ever worked for the Blakman? When was justice done for the Blackman in the USA? Few stars in the sky in a dark night don’t change the night.

        Which country pulled hundreds of millions of people out of poverty the last three decades? Which countries pushed into poverty their own people in the same period? Are they not China and the West, respectively. That was what tplf said would do, i.e. give Ethiopians three meals a day, but got consumed with corruption and became a kleptocracy.

        You said “it [China] does what ever it needs to get ahead,”. Don’t you think that it is more true for the USA? Who started war on Iraq on lies that it owned WMD. Bush and Blair and all their accomplices should have been behind bars if there were justice in this world. Saddam Hussein was all the rest except that he owned an atomic bomb. There are many other examples.

        • Abi

          Hello Horizon
          You are wrong in many ways. You are arguing from a LAZY BLACK MAN point of view. USA is a land of opportunities. I’m talking about the current situation. If you dwell on the past and waste your energy lamenting what had happened during the past, and blame the past for current failures, you have absolutely no chance of getting ahead.
          -In USA education K-12 is free
          – free transportation
          – free or reduced breakfast and lunch
          – free books ( must be returned after the semester)
          – free mentoring
          -free tutorials
          – free or reduced (rate) internet access
          – some states provide free meal during summer and winter break.
          – free daycare provision for students with babies
          the list is too long

          IT GETS BETTER
          – FREE COMMUNITY COLLEGES
          ( with transferable college credits to a university)
          – in community colleges one can master a trade that will lead to a descent living. One can take any vocational training from Auto mechanics , hospitality industry to Plumbing, … the list is too long. It all free!!!!!!!!!
          Now, the choice is up to the students whether to take the advantage and be advanced or stay home and watch TV or doing all the wrong things.
          IT GETS EVEN BETTER!!!
          There are many scholarships for minority students.
          Merit based scholarships
          Need based scholarships
          Bill gates scholarships
          The list is too long
          Again, good things don’t come home for a lazy person. It needs effort, determination, strong mentality, the “I can do this “ attitude,…. and family support.

          One thing I like to emphasize is that black students can have a descent living by completing a 2 year free college vocational education that gets them ready to be productive citizens of the society instead of whiners . For those who are willing to achieve higher, the opportunities are limitless.
          I’m raising two BLACK children. One heading to medical school the other majoring in biomedical engineering. He wants to go to law school to be a patent lawyer.
          I’m not bragging here. Just showing it is possible to achieve higher.

          Those few stars in the black night do bring life and light for those who are determined to follow them. President Obama is one of the stars on the dark sky. He is an inspiration for every human being particularly for BLACK person. Yes we can!!!!!!
          Yes it is possible!!!!!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            The facts are ignored because they do not fit into Horizon and friends’ Maoist [Abyotawi] narrative.

          • Abi

            Selam Simon
            I hate Abyotawi excuses.

          • iSem

            Hi Simon K an Abi and Hirizon and Kim Hannawelcome back)
            I think when it comes to the black performace and the two America concept that John Edwards railed about, we must understand this. It is not that is not black and white (pun intended). It is not binary, it is complicated
            1. Colleges are free why they do not go and finish instead of sagging their pants; Well good question but remember inequality and disafvantage can be reproduced. Some ppl transend it, take for exmaple the black lawyer, Chris Dardeon who was prescuring OJ with Clark, his brother was a drug dealer or something like that, So individuas ahve power if they can be tenarious but tenacity is also learned and reprouced, So though we should not blame slaver for 150 years, ghetos have less opporuntity.

          • Abi

            iSem
            Good points.
            It all starts with self respect and a positive attitude towards self and others. Your examples show that it is possible to get out of a ghetto mentality and physically.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            If the issue is “complicate” as you characterized it, why are you judgmental, knowing the psychological trauma they have in the mind of the blacks? If you were the son of the slavery generations who carry the psychological scars, I am not sure nor do yourself, know to be one of the few who extricate themselves. It is easy for us to undermine the trauma they have passed through. You don’t have those psychological scars to compare yourself with them.

          • iSem

            Hi Emma::
            Read my comment again, probably i did not articulate it but am trying to say balance the issue. But you cannot attribute trauma to calling yourself N word, if u are talking about that part when you said judgemental. I was attempting to convince those who were judgmental

          • Selam Amanuel H.
            If i may ask you, how do you see the relation between Afro-Americans and African immigrants. Do you see it as harmonious, or do you see it as antagonistic? I was expecting that African immigrants would have some compassion for them, having in mind the history of slavery and their present status in the American society.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            From my observation, it is not good. The new immigrants do not approach them as their brothers who were and are disfranchised for centuries. They do not want to associate with them. It is the same echo you are hearing in this forum. There is no empathy whatsoever towards them.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amauel

            I agree with your assessment.
            I want to add that Afro-Americans see African and Caribean immigrants as competitors for the fellowships that Abi listed somewhere here.

            I tend to agree with the Afro-Americans’ position because many Black immigrants have a better economic and educational background and are unaffected by the generational trauma of enslavement and injustice. Yet they compete against Afro-Africans for the little resources.

            Worse, Afro-Africans are unjustifyably accused as to why they are not succesful as African or Caribean immigrants. This is to say that the success of many immigrants is instrumentalized against Afro-Africans.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            There are more than enough scholarship funds available for everyone interested and meets the requirements. Even more funds are available for minority students who pursue STEM programs in a university.
            Please google “ minority scholarships “ and you will see available funds.
            Here I like to emphasize that you don’t need scholarship funds to attend a 2 year vocational education in community colleges . It is free. You can be a registered nurse for free. You can be a certified auto mechanic for free. You can be a certified electrician for free. You can be a food service manager for free. Endless opportunities!!!

            You are saying African and Caribbean immigrants have better economic and educational background and they are not affected by slavery and injustice.
            This statement is not necessarily true. We are comparing the young generation who are in the same socioeconomic background. These students live in the same area and attend the same high schools. The difference is the immigrants put higher emphasis on education. They expect and demand their children to achieve higher. Besides, they don’t take anything for granted. I’m not saying that all immigrants’ children are successful. There are also failures. I know Ethiopians and Eritreans wasting their lives in prison. However, generally speaking, you find them doing great in universities, colleges , hospitals, corporations…
            I don’t buy this lame excuse of slavery BS. Africans and Caribbean immigrants have been under colonization. They don’t use this fact as an excuse for failure.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            yes, this issue deserves a nuanced view. There are some points in your comments with which I agree. But I feel also you lack compassions for Afro-Americans and ignore their plights whose cause is still existent.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            I have provided the solution as to how to get out of the vicious cycle.
            I said it is possible to get ahead and be productive citizen through vocational education that is readily available for free.
            Hashela, Horizon, Hidrat (the 3H) what is your solution other than lamenting ?
            Leave Lamentations for ኤርምያስ.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            We are not “lamenting” rather we are sharing our “values” – a value of empathy, humanity towards the victims of the evil human instincts and human acts. Is it clear to you now?

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Sharing your values and showing empathy ( ከንፈር መምጠጥ) is not considered a viable solution.
            Give me your solution.

          • sara

            selamta Horizon,
            Good question……but i do not expect any one to answer you rationally.

          • Dear sara,

            African immigrants feel pain and anger whenever they remember the difficult situation they passed through when they left their country, forced and not so forced.
            Now, they seem to have completely forgotten it, and the West seems to have made them blind to the plight of Afro-Americans throughout the so many centuries of slavery and injustice and to today’s exclusion from the american society of abundance and riches.

            Slavery and colonialism are the two evils Africans were forced to bear for generations. Even then, slavery is much more evil than colonialism. It was long lasting and extremely painful. In slavery Africans lost their very self, their humanity and they were turned into animals of labor, directly owned by their masters, bought and sold as commodity. It was a state of imprisonment from which only death could free them. It was a situation that was impossible to run away from. The slave owned nothing, not even himself. It was both their body and life that belonged to their masters.

            In the case of colonialism, Africans may have lost their land and resources, nevertheless, they didn’t live the horrendous experience of being snatched away from their homes, villages, relatives and friends, and sent over the ocean, many saw for the first time, and millions lost their lives as they crossed the Atlantic ocean. They could own a piece of land they could cultivate to sustain their families, run to the jungle if they felt life unbearable under the colonizer.

            The slave in the new world was a walking Shadow, nothing more and nothing less. Slavery and colonialism, although both evil, the first was the worst evil human beings ever experienced.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I agree slavery was extremely evil.
            I like to invite you Bob Marley’s “Emancipate yourself from mental slavery “ song .
            It looks like you are convinced yourself that every African American is still under slavery, every African American lives in a ghetto or every African American is in jail.
            You are wrong.
            There are challenges and opportunities in the USA. No excuses! One can sit on the porch and blame slavery or immigrants day and night for his lack of success . Or, one can take it upon himself and exploit the opportunities readily available to his advantages. It requires discipline, determination, hard work, persistence, perseverance, getting up early, staying up late, weekends, holidays …. it is not easy.
            I have a friend who teaches auto mechanic to high school dropouts. This program is sponsored by a local government free of charge. There is a free bus service that brings students to his shop three times a week. Free lunch and uniform is provided by the government.
            What is frustrating is the dropout rate from this program. Less than ten percent take the certification tests.
            I hate excuses!!

          • Selam Abi,

            I don’t know if being free of “mental slavery” means:

            -Dismissing race issues, forget the history of slavery, stop fighting to emancipate oneself from social and economic injustice, even though they continue to exist, become politically right because white people do not want to hear about their ancestors’ crimes and injustices.

            -Afro-Americans should accept that the descendants of slave owners have no responsibility for what their ancestors have done.

            -Even if PM Cameron was being paid money for the loss incurred on his ancestors who were slave owners, when his ancestors freed their slaves under the British law. The descendants of slave owners were being paid money until 2015, when on the other hand, the descendants of the slaves themselves were not paid a penny. That was an insult on top of a tragedy.

            -I don’t know if the opportunities given to them as you presented, and they failed to exploit, are enough to cover the value of the 400 yrs of free labor of their ancestors for the whiteman, which their descendants are enjoying even today. I hope Sultan will come up with some sort of calculation, for he is good at it.

            -They shouldn’t continue the fight for equality and racial justice. They should accept the pittance they are given and say nothing more.

            -Yes, they should emancipate themselves from mental slavery and stand on their two feet, because they are the ones who can free themselves. Nevertheless,
            Whitemen should also free themselves from mental slavery by accepting that their ancestors have committed horrendous crimes, and as long as they own the wealth that was created by slave labor, they owe a lot to Afro-Americans, and they have given back nothing up to now.

          • Abi

            ሰላም አድማስ
            እስቲ በአማርኛ እድሌን ልሞክር
            አንተ የምትሻው ጥቁር አሜሪካውያን ከዚህ በፊት በቅድመ አያቶቻቸው የደረሰባቸውን ህመም እያስታመሙ እቤታቸው እንዲቀመጡ ነው::
            እኔ የምለው አሁን ያላቸውን እድል ተጠቅመው ወደፊት ይሂዱ ነው::
            ድሮ ለተበደሉት ይቅርታ ካልተጠየቁ አንማርም የአሁኑንና የመጭውን ትውልድ ህይወት አንለውጥም አንሻሻልም ካሉ ግን ምርጫው በእጃቸው ነው::
            “አኩራፊ ልጅ ምሳው እራቱ ነው ” ይባላል:: አሜሪካ ግን ጥቁር አሜሪካውያን ሲያኮርፉ ምሳቸው በስደተኞቹ ይቀረጠፋል::

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,

            It is pure poetry, what you just said in a few sentence.

            I think Horizon is Amhara. Haile Selassie abolished slavery in Ethiopia in the 1940s. Prior to that a lot of the Amhara/Tigrai elites owned slaves, most likely a good portion of our diaspora’s grand parents did.
            Our neighbors, I think, they still own slaves in a little modified way under hard conditions. Regardless, four hundred years ago mankind was less humane and more self centered.
            The only reason we are not talking about our dark history in this field is because there is no benefit to it and messes up the on going narrative.

            Mr. K.H

          • Selam K.H.,

            I had planned to stop this discussion of slavery in the USA, and you dragged me back into it.
            Let me ask you,
            Is it possible to put at the same level slavery in Ethiopia and slavery in the USA? Do you say they are comparable?
            Is it possible to justify the type of slavery that existed in the USA, because slavery existed in Ethiopia as well?
            I happen to know my family to the level of my grandparents. They were not the type of people who could have owned slaves.
            Supposing that you are an Amhara/Tigrai and you know that your ancestors owned slaves, would you have supported slavery or opposed it for the sake of respect for human beings, who are created equal?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            Slavery in any of its forms is an abominable condition of human existence. I did not justify slavery, I merely pointed out that it existed in many cultures and regions for centuries including our own. Thank God it is legally abolished.

            I picked out Abi’s point of long gone slavery context being used to justify misbehavior and stupidity in today’s black kids lives.

            I tried to explain why some intellectuals are using it for their own political or economic gain.
            I hope both of us will disentangle from this topic and read and learn on current matters specially about what is going on in our neck of the woods.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            How about tightening the belts instead of sagging the pants? How stupid is that? Proudly showing a dirty diaper is considered cool and fashionable. They tell you that they are showing solidarity with those in the prisons. How about keeping the legs and the zippers tightly closed?
            Excuse after excuse….sickening!

          • sara

            selam Horizon,
            with out going much into details…i have seen how black americans
            are treated in their country. unfortunately we do not recognize their agony and suffering in the country of plenty..where new comers are happy to accept the black mans suffering of the past and present.
            its cruel world out there.

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            As you said USA is a land of plenty. I agree. I like to add it is a land of limitless opportunities as well.
            Now, you can sit comfortably in your couch and wait for FedEx to deliver the opportunities to your doorsteps, OR you can get up, tighten your belt, stop the silly game of blaming everything under the sun and utilize the opportunities.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam iSem,

            Visionary leadership does matter. It appears the effective leaders are those who yell “racist” at every corner. There is a reason for that. These leaders climb up the ladder of leadership quickly, because the whites quickly give up and run when confronted with this accusation.

            Some of these black people who are in a position of leadership are painfully ignorant and have nothing else to contribute.
            It was a legitimate tool in the 40s, 50s and 60s to achieve the civil rights laws that followed. Today I think it is used more for power grab by both whites and blacks to gain advantage.

            I have watched with cringing embarrassment when Congressman Hank Johnson asked a military general (white) at one of those hearings as to why all the people and heavy equipment was being placed on one side of the island. (Guam.)
            He articulated his concern that the island will tip over.
            I couldn’t believe my ears. I expect that kind of question from a 3rd grader not a U.S congressman. I think you can look it up in you tube.
            I was trying to make a point but lost my train of thought after that embarrassing image in my head.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            “እንደሰው የሚያስብ አህያ አይቼ ባላውቅም እንደአህያ የሚያስቡ ሰዎች ግን ብዙ ጊዜ አጋጥመውኛል::”
            አህያ congressman ግን ያሳፍራል::

          • Selam Abi,

            You almost made me believe that the USA is a paradise rejected by Afro-Americans or Afro-Americans are genetically misfit to live in this paradise. Even Scandinavian countries do not provide the type of social security and opportunities you brought for their citizens.
            As you say instead of education they choose ignorance, instead of well paying jobs they prefer minimal employments, the prisons are full of black Americans because in a way they deserve the confinement, or a Black man is killed in his own house or his garden or a black child is shot dead playing in a park by a cop, it is not the cop’s fault. They have no problem with their education, health care, their pension, etc.. simply they are LAZY, as you say. The racial wealth gap is of their own making and not that they don’t have the opportunity to become as rich as the white Americans, even all of them.
            More or less, you are telling us, blame everything on the Afro-Americans and not on the white American.

            For you all of the following do not stand, when they say:
            -The legacy of slavery continues to have an impact on the position of black people in American society today.
            -Black people will never have equal rights with whites,
            -About eight-in-ten blacks (78%) say the country hasn’t gone far enough when it comes to giving black people equal rights with whites, and half say it’s unlikely that the country will eventually achieve racial equality.
            -Trump has worsened racial relations.
            -Being black generally hurts a person’s ability to get ahead in the country.
            -Majorities of black and white adults say blacks are treated less fairly than whites in dealing with police and by the criminal justice system
            -Blacks are treated less fairly than whites in hiring, pay and promotions; when applying for a loan or mortgage; in stores or restaurants; when voting in elections; and when seeking medical treatment.
            -About three-quarters of blacks (76%) – say they have experienced discrimination or have been treated unfairly because of their race.
            -90% of Blacks have high school diplomas and only about 30% 4 yrs college diploma. Is it because education is not as free as you said?
            -Black: white wealth gap is increasing.
            -Eight-in-ten blacks (81%) say racism is a big problem in society.
            -Blacks (68%) say whites benefit a great deal.

            Well, it depends on how one sees the whole situation.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I never compare USA with paradise because I don’t know what paradise looks like. I’ve never been there. Trust me on this.
            I know there are more black people in jails than in colleges.
            I’m not comparing blacks with whites.
            I’m saying black people can choose to finish school and join the workforce than heading to jail. There are better options and limitless opportunities.
            You can make a descent living with just a 2 year free vocational education.
            You are comparing USA to Hell.
            It all depends on one’s determination and attitude towards life.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Ras Abi,

            I am absolutely with you in your discussion with Horizon. In fact I could go further and lay it out more brutally (honest) than you did. But I don’t want to do it.

            I don’t know if Horizon had lived in U.S for a period of time or might have acquired his knowledge from articles, media and “selected” reports from Black Studies factory.

            Horizon to my surprise, sounds like a black PHD diversity officer in a big fortune company justifying his job.

            These statements I am making is not to say there are no racists white people in the U.S.
            But the jail situation (A large portion… black on black crimes) the raising of kids, the drive to do the hard work instead of looking for easy way out, has nothing to do whites.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Selam Mr Kim Hanna
            Thank you for standing beside me.
            Actually, Horizon sounds like those dudes sitting on the front porch all day long drinking and blaming everybody except themselves.
            Some of the ladies don’t have any idea as to who their baby daddy is?
            Some of the men don’t have any clue how many children they produced. Blaming others is not a solution.

          • Selam Abi & K.H.,

            Years ago, some racist white americans had suggested the USA should be separated into white states and black states, thus separating the two communities. What do you say? Do you support it?
            Decades ago, paternity tests were carried out in Australia. Right from the start, after some thousands were tested, they found out that about 30% of fathers were not the biological fathers of their children. It was discontinued due to the social impact of the findings.
            Women not knowing the father of their child is not confined only to black women. It happens in white women as well, when they have multiple sexual partners, which is not uncommon. They happen even in high societies.
            The issue maybe more common in the lower socio-economic groups, and it is not about having less morality. One can extrapolate this to different situations, e.g. prostitution, which is more economic than the absence of morality, as we see in third world countries.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I don’t support any kind or segregation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Could you tell him pls the country he admires is built by Abyotawian of that time, lead by George Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison, John Adams….etc. If he knows what Revolutionaries means.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel

            ጥያቄዎ ግልፅ ባይሆንልኝም የማውቀውን ለማካፈል እፊትዎ ቀርቤያለሁ::
            አብዮት የሚለው ቃል አበየ ከሚለው ቃል የመጣ ነው::
            አበየ ማለት አመፀ ማለት ነው::
            አብዮታዊ ማለት አመፀኛ ማለት እዩ ጎይታና አማኑኤል::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            To revolt is to fight for bringing fundamental change. There are peaceful revolutions and violent revolution depending on how resistant the forces in power are. Correct your understanding. You could be “against or for” depending on the nature of the revolution and the values it is fighting for. If you are against all revolutions, it means you are against the American and French Revolutions in which you are enjoying the values they establish.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            I only gave you the definition of አብዮታዊ. I didn’t say that I oppose or support revolution.
            One thing apparently clear is that not all revolutionary movements are fruitful to the people.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi.,

            አብዮታዊ = Revolutionary
            አብዮት = Revolution

            If you hate revolutionaries you hate a revolution. And if you hate a revolution you are hating the American Revolutionaries I listed early on. Make your statements un contradictories to have a smooth debate.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Again, I didn’t say that I like or hate revolution or revolutionaries.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi, Emma & all,

            Let me take you guys to the language. In amharic as Abi said, revolution id ኣብዮት. Given the origin, the same word can be used in tigrigna. But the most common word used id ሰውራ. As per Al-Arabi’s commonality between tigrigna & arabic, it looks like ሰውራ came from
            ተሰወረ(tesewere) … ታሳዋራ(tasawara) in arabic. I don’t really know the origin of the word ሰውራ.
            Curiously, some online dictionaries translate revolutionary as ወያናይ, revolution as ወያነ.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,
            ,
            Even if “the word “ወያነ” is Tigrigna, the word “ወያነ” irritates the Eritrean communities, and you know why. Imagine, by being stating the facts how many are scratching their heads. Second “ሰውራ” is borrowed word from Arabic language.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            But what the origin and root word for ወያነ? Like Hidrat comes from ሕድሪ & ሓደራ.
            The same for ሰውራ, is what I said true? I just took from the very long list that AlArabi had given us a year or two ago, and assumed, but I am not sure.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            I wish to know the origin of all words. Do you think something borrowed from the geeze language?

          • Haile S.

            Emma,
            I will check my geez dictionary from home.
            SGJ is keeping quite, but might have ideas.
            What ጓድ የለውጥ-ሃዋርያ ኣቢ said makes sense too!

          • Samuel

            Selam Haile S.
            “ወያነ” comes from two words:-
            ወያነ፥ “ወይ ኣነ“፥ ካብ ዝብሉ ክልተ ቃላት ዝተፈጠረ ቃል እዩ። ሕራነ ወይ ድማ ኒሕን ሓቦን ዝወልዶ ኣነነት ማለት እዩ። መግለጺ እምቢታ (እምቢ ምባል)።
            ድሕሪ ግዜ እታ “ኣ” እንዳተዋሕጠት መጺኣ። ወይ ኣነ > ወይነ > ወያነ
            “ይ ኣ” ድሕሪ ግዜ ናብ “ያ” ተቐይራ

            ኣብነት፥
            ወይ ኣነ! ተለዓል ኣታ፤ ፀላኢ መጺኡ > ወያነ ተለዓል! ፀላኢ መጺኡ።

            Thanks,

          • Haile S.

            Selam Samuel,

            Thank you. I guessed it to be the case, but refrained because detractors use that kind of expression as a sign of regret, thus didn’t want enter into controversy if that was not the case.
            Regards

          • Samuel

            Selam, Haile S.,
            You Welcome! That is true, it could create controversy.

            I don’t mean to get into politics but it may help for others…
            Individuals or groups outside Tigray may assume ወያነ = TPLF but in Tigray “ወያነ” is not the same as TPLF.

            Generally in Tigray ወያነ is used as a symbol of struggle for freedom and equality. Which means you can assume that all if not most Tigrians are “ወያነ” but it doesn’t mean they are TPLF supporters or operatives. For example all Tigray opposition parties they claim themselves as “ወያነ” but they oppose TPLF. Even if they get rid of TPLF some kind of ወያነ will be there to administer Tigray.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samuel
            አገሩ ሁሉ ጨጋር ዳንጋ ነው አትለኝም!
            ተዋሪድና!

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            ወያነ is here to stay, you just have to develop some kind of immunity, social distancing isn’t an option.

            Thanks,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Samuel,

            In politics “social distancing isn’t an option” is a hard truth we have to live on.

          • Abi

            Samuel
            I’m just learning about this social distancing. It is a new phenomenon for me. I know declaring independence works.

          • Hashela

            Hi Samuel

            I agree with you that the original meaning of ወያነ (ወይ ኣነ) is an expression of bitterness, anger, or frustration (lament). Since then the meaning of ወያነ has temporally and spatially evolved as follow:

            bitterness -> upheaval-> chaos -> lawlessness -> organized banditery

          • Abi

            Hashela
            ወይኔ! ወይኔ! ወይኔ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            I think “ወያነ” is an organized movement for change and not “organized banditry”. Because the phrase refers to organized robbery.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            If you go to Omahager, Teseney, Ghirmaika, ShambKo, Binbina, Das, and Barentu and ask the people with what they associated the word “ወያነ”, you will be surprised to hear what they have to say.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Add Ethiopia to your list of victims.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella bet, woyane reduced u to QqQ and u accepted it with humer. I have seen u and aman the adigrate playing as if u r gondera, i will bet in front of the Moderator what ever money, u r shawa QqQ , not gondera.
            Let me ask u simple test, what is a gondera family call his/ her mother and father?

          • Abi

            Hello TA
            “ … what is a gondera family call his /her mother and father?”
            Easy question
            The answer is mommy and daddy.
            Now ጥግህን ያዝና ዝዝዝዝዝዝዝም በል::
            Buzz off!

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            wrong tella bet, u r wrong,
            woyena already buzz u off by reducing u to North shawa(not shawa) QqQ jokers.

          • Abi

            TA
            Keep buzzing. I’m calling the swat team.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            r they coming from debre brhin( debre herpa) or from ” zenbe-work”? what a Q tella bet.

          • Samuel

            Selam Hashela,
            I don’t think people in Omahager, Teseney, Ghirmaika, ShambKo, Binbina, Das, and Barentu will associate ወያነ with “organized banditry” but IA and his enablers has been feeding the people and media with false association for years, thus there could be a small portion of the society who are IA operatives disseminating those falsehoods.
            By the way it’s not well targeted campaign to use ወያነ if you are trying to target TPLF because TPLF will use that as scare tactic for the general public “Tigray people being targeted”.

            If you use TPLF then people can understand that you are targeting specific party, however when you say ወያነ you are targeting the whole social group struggle movement.

            Have you ever imagined IA to use “ህወሓት” instead of ወያነ? That will be the end of the his political narrative.

            Thanks,

          • Hashela

            Selam Samuel

            The looting sprees during and after the recent war is well documented by the Eritrean-Ethiopian claim commission and the documents are publicaly available. The difference between TPLF and ወያነ you are trying to make is non-existent. TPLF is composed of Tigrayan elites. The actrocities committed by Tigrayan elites did not start with the emergence of TPLF. The organized robbery and rape campaigns across Eritrea committed by your warlord, Alula, and his soldiers are well documented.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Samuel,
            I would assume there are plenty of people from Omahager, Teseney, Ghirmaika, ShambKo, Binbina, Das, and Barentu in Tigray’s refugee camp. I wonder what they say about ወያነ.
            BTW, if you go to Adi Namen or ToKombya, they pronounce it as ወይነ in stead of ወይ ኣነ. I thought are they talking in Amharic, the first time I have heard it.

          • Samuel

            Selam መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ ,
            It could be but ወያነ isn’t local word, thus I don’t think those locals can have the wrong meaning of a word unless they are told to do so. It must be either from radio or TV.

            ወይነ is not Amharic, if Adi Namen or ToKombya locals call it ወይነ then it could be a local thing (local pronunciation or hearsay).
            Note that ወይነ is geez. “ይ” ኣጥብቕ ኣብሎ::

            ወአስተይከነ ፡ ወይነ።
            ወይኒ ኣስቲኻና።
            ወይን አጠጣኸን።

            Thanks,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            I was interested in the roots of the word and how it is derived to its current meaning, than politicizing the word. We always talk about words and their meaning, particularly on Tigrigna in this forum. This one was a similar case.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Prof. Emma,
            If your hatred for ወይ ኣነ is much much bigger than your love for your country, it unfortunately ወይ ኣነ is an organized robbery.
            The sad thing is the biggest mafioze is sitting in our country and to give that head of cruelties credit, he kills everyone, including those defend him.
            Purely Stockholm syndrome.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Samuel

            Paraphrasing – “people from outside Tigray may assume ወያነ = TPLF; but in Tigray “ወያነ” is not the same as TPLF.
            ወያነ, as a symbol of struggle for freedom and equality – (most if not all) Tigrians are “ወያነ”; but not necessarily TPLF supporters or operatives. All Tigray opposition parties claim they are “ወያነ” while opposing TPLF. Even if TPLF is gone, some kind of ወያነ will be there to administer/govern Tigray.”

            People of Tigray = ወያነ
            TPLF ≠ ወያነ
            After TPLF is gone, Tigray will be administered/governed by ወያነ

            That is a new lesson for me!

            Thank you Samuel

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            Hello ውንድም ጋሼ
            Linear equation doesn’t exist in ወይኔ ግዛት::

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella, here is amharic 1 on 1, wandem gashsa=shawa.
            wandem alem= ………

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Samuel,

            Very interesting. Thank you for the roots of the word.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኤማ፡

            ቀደም እንተትኸውን ጠፊእኻ
            ምበልና ኔርና ከም ህዝብኻ
            ከም ብዓል እስማዒል መጋድልትኻ
            ከም ‘ቶም መከራኸርትኻ
            ደቀ-ሕዋትካ ኣጎስማኻ
            ኣይግድን ግና ሕጂ መጥፍኢኻ
            ከተሻቕለና ኮነ ኢልካ ተዳሊኻ
            ኣየ ተንኮል ናይዞም ሰብ በረኻ!

            COVID-19 መጸ ተባሂሉ
            ጠፊእካ ዘይትፈልጥ እዚ ጊዜ ኩሉ
            ዘሊልካ ከም ዕንዝራ ዝነኸሳ ዒሉ
            ሃንደበት ጠፊእካ ደሃይ ዘይብሉ

            በል ኣይትጥፍኣና ብጊዜ ኮቪድ
            ሕማቕ ከይንሓስብ ብጣዕሚ ከቢድ

            ንዓ ደሃይ ግበር ኣብ ዓወተ ጽንብል
            ዋላ ዕላል ይጽንሓልካ ዘረባ ቆብ ኣይተብል

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሃይላት:

            ጽቡቕ ዕድመ
            ፕሮፌሰር ኤማ ኣለኹ ንተሉ ከመይ ምጠዓመ
            ንሕና ድማ ምፈለጥና ከምዘይሓመመ

            ደሃይ ግበር
            ፕሮፌሰር
            ጽምዋኻ ስበር
            ኣብ ዓዋተ መጺኻ ዓንድር
            ንሃይላት ከተበስር
            ኣብሽር!

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ተሰወረ = ተደበቀ -ተሸሸገ -ኮበለለ -ጫካ ገባ – ጨጋር ዳንጋ

          • sara

            selamat Ato Haile.s
            allow me to try to give a hint…. sewra is somthing to do with fire
            like ignition of fire…. that brings it close to tigrnyas…like Hawi meswar/.asawr…. so meswar is related to sewra i.e it is arabized tigrnya.. .

          • Hashela

            Selam Abi

            My Amharic level is that of a 7 year old child. Nonetheless, reading your piece one realizes that you, as usual, gave the meaning of ኣብዮት a twist that makes me laugh. Yes, revolutionaries end up being abusive

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Glad you found time to attend class. Professor Semere T is on fire.

          • Hashela

            Glad to see that our forum is getting repopulate with people who have fire power.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            He left his fire back in the woods. He is as cool as cucumber.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            ተነጋግረንበት ኣይደል እንዴ? Paradise is where there is no color, where the lion doesn’t hunt, the mosquito doesn’t bite, the snake’s fangs are for decor where Adam doesn’t recognize Eve as woman and vise versa, where nobody dies and no one is born, where everything is in stand still. To avoid sin, everything should standstill!

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ትንቢተ ኢሳይያስ ምዕራፍ ስልሳ አምስትን ዘንግቼው ጉድ ሆንኩልህ!
            Paradise must be boring for you. Welcome back.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Horizon:
            What people including our own Abi( thought he was being sarcastic)miss about the African-Americans is the irreversible damage and stigmata the 200 yrs old deadly Slavery and Discrimination and an ongoing same legacy have caused to these unfortunate people.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Professor Abi

            1. – “You are arguing from a LAZY BLACK MAN point of view. USA is a land of opportunities. In USA education K-12 is free; transportation free; free or reduced breakfast and lunch; free books ( must be returned after the semester); free mentoring; free tutorials; free or reduced (rate) internet access; some states provide free meal during summer and winter break; free daycare provision for students with babies; the list is too long.

            IT GETS EVEN BETTER!!!
            There are many scholarships for minority students; Merit based scholarships; Need based scholarships; Bill gates scholarships. The list is too long. Again, good things don’t come home for a lazy person. It needs effort, determination, strong mentality, the “I can do this “ attitude,…. and family support.”

            Abi, well argued! And I really mean it. But, but, but…….. I’ll beg to differ; because that is not the whole story.
            I know I’m preaching to the choir so to speak; I know you’re a successful parent who earned an A+ (grade) on parenting; I know I’m not going to say something you don’t already know. And also I know you’re an intelligent man; so let me ask you an intelligent question.

            A. – Do you really believe – availability of funds and opportunities is all that is needed to solve/address the failure of the inner-city American education system?

            B. – Let’s say I’m your Habesha friend who happens to be parent. And let’s say my kids are miserably failing in school and are badly getting in trouble with the law. I lost one of my kids to the streets and another on is in-and-out of jail. If I came to you and said: I’ve been putting more than enough food on the table, I’ve been buying them brand-name shoes and clothes every season, I gave each one of them their own bedrooms; I even gave them weekly pocket money for them to spend. What else do you expect me to do?

            What would you say to me as your Habesha friend? Would you tell me ‘you’ve done everything that a parent is supposed to do; you just happen to have a bad luck’? In all honesty, I don’t believe you would say that; because you’ve done more than feeding sheltering and clothing your children to get them where they are today. The point:

            2. – Dividend is earned from good investment. And investing on a given nation’s children starts from the womb. Now, the question we need to ask ourselves is: is America investing enough in its inner-city children? And the answer is resounding no?

            3. – I was math and physics teacher (for few years – before I got burned-out) in my city public schools. I quit teaching because the teaching environment was as close to American prison system as you can get – passing through metal detectors at the entrance of the school, armed security officers on every hallway yelling and screaming at students, guns drugs violence in the school, lack of teaching tools (books, teaching aid, computers, labs), old buildings with no heaters & a/c…………..

            4. – As the African saying goes: It takes a village to raise a child. And these are the rings of the chain that determine a child’s success/failure:

            A. – A government (federal state local) that sets the right educational policies and allocate proper fundings to its schools

            B. – Districts that provide their students with a cutting-age teaching books, labs, and computers

            C. – A security institution (policing) that protects the community to be a safe community for teaching learning and living

            D. – A school that is staffed with competent and caring professional teachers, that work tirelessly to see the success of every individual student

            E. – a loving functional family unit, not only that provides food on the table but also that that encourages pushes and inspires the child to aim high. And keep in mind –

            The success of any given child is as strong as the weakest ring in the chain – meaning there are many factors that determine the success/failure of a child outside his/her home.

            5. – You (Abi) are a proud parent of accomplished (successful) children. I’m not a betting person, but if I have to guess, your children’s educational success, is not the product of American inner-city schools. It can’t be!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hashela

            Selam Semere

            Thank you! This is the most insightful comment that hopefully touches the heart and mind of many.

          • Abi

            Selam ወንድም ጋሼ
            I understand all the obstacles that can easily distract students from achieving their goals. You have exhaustively brought them. But , but, but…You haven’t presented a solution. You know the inside of an inner city school. What do you think is a working formula so that these students do much better than their parents?
            What is a viable solution? Traveling on the same roads knowing that they lead to a dead end?
            My solution is to engage the students in vocational education and show them that there is a light at the end of the tunnels not just an incoming train lights.
            I’m a strong believer of sufficient funding and availability of opportunities to students. students should be equipped with marketable skills that can be utilized in the society. This will enable them not only survive but also thrive in their respective communities.

            I’m lucky enough to send my children to a suburban school. I was an active participant in the school’s AP and IB programs .I was member of parents committee advocating and outreach programs for AP and IB programs. I mentioned this to show you that I know the values of parents and community involvement in the success of students.

            I know I have been everywhere in my comment. I hope you find it readable.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            You are repeating this vocational schools as a solution. First the current collages are not vocational colleges, unless they are transformed for that purpose.

            Second, even if there are vocational schools, the problem is way before they get entry to vocational collages – that is during the elementary and high school age. I thing Semere T. has explained to you beautifully – that their kids are growing in getto areas. They don’t have quality of teachers. Their schools do not have the necessary teaching resources. In short they are unprepared to vocational collages.

            Third, let us assume they have good elementary and high schools, good teachers with equitable teaching resources, and vocational collages. Aren’t you reinstating the doctrine of segregation “separate but equal” of 1954 in different format – vocational schools for blacks and the other colleges and universities for whites?

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            I provided what I think is a possible solution. I am eagerly awaiting for your solution.
            I want you to realize that educational outcomes are always take the longest time to appear in the society. It takes a long time before you see the fruits of your investments in education.
            Vocational education is not a segregation mechanism. It is producing a productive citizen.
            It is very vast in the coverage of disciplines.
            Still waiting for you to come up with your solution.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Welcome back Vet Semere T.

            Hope Mahmuday will follow suit!

            Couldn’t agree more with what you have stated !

            Could have added more but yours is more than enough.

            Dr Horizon made similar good arguments and points about the devastating roles of RACISM and Lack of Opportunities!

            Ignore and forgive the “ Rude” Simon KakeAb” for calling with names and belittling a Veteran Tegadalay, who GAVE UP his Youth and Teen life including his chance of education, for the sake of others but who only never looked back ;and rather, determined to look forward ONLY and started his education from the scratch and became one of the most educated people in the USA and dedicated himself to educate others.

            For sure you are holding at least a Master’s Degree based on your limited “ Bio” you hinted us with!

            Bravo Wed Ad…We are proud of you and we appreciate and cherish your SERVICE!

            You reminded me about my daughter’s journey, who left rural Eritrea at age 13 /Grade Six through the so called “Education thru the Mother Tongue (literally with no basic Education)!

            She went through hell like most Eritrean Refugees have done / gone thru with no chance to continue her Education and finally made it to the USA at age 17 with Grade Six African Education status / level!
            And she had to join Grade 10 in the month of Dec due to her age!!!!
            She has had NO clue about English,Math or Science!
            Guess what?
            She finished the year with Honors and Grades 11-12 were not bad for her despite tons of stress and medical problems!
            She was AWARDED with a Scholarship and graduated with BSc.Degree with Honors through an Intensive Program!

            Eritrean Talent and Stamina at their best!

          • Abi

            Hello Sultan
            Congratulations!!!!!!
            I don’t doubt the story you proudly provided us. Since it is a great achievement, could you kindly share with us some details as to how your daughter achieved this success.
            What kind of placement tests she took?
            Did she have tutoring services?
            Was she in ESOL classes?
            I noticed she skipped grades 7,8 and 9. What mechanisms she applied to fill the gaps?
            Any information is appropriated.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Prof Abi:
            May be my daughter has a brain like our Sister-in-Law,your First Lady, who , unlike you, graduated with Honors!

          • Abi

            Sultan
            You ain’t kidding! She graduated with distinction!! I graduated from በግ ተራ.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Prof Abinet:
            But you sound very genius like someone with an IQ of 200 the way you articulate here in this forum though!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Sultan,

            You said: “… belittling a Veteran Tegadalay, who GAVE UP his Youth and Teen life including his chance of education, for the sake of others …”

            You forgot to add: culminating in hell on earth.

            “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

            Matthew 7:15-20.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Simon:
            Glad that you believe in God or at least N His words.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Sultan,

            Here is ‘Rebel Yell’:

            Billy Idol [vocals] as Isaias Afwerki

            Steve Stevens [lead guitar] as Haile Drue

            Steve Webster [bass guitar] as Petros Solomon

            Thommy Price [drums] as Sibhat Efrem

            Judi Dozier [keyboards] as Askalu Menkerios

            The frenzied audience as the Eritrean people.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdphvuyaV_I

          • Abi

            Simon
            The audience eagerly waited for years for this band to perform at home. The show proved to be extremely bad and disorganized that the people are demanding a refund.
            They didn’t realize the fine print says “all sale final. No returns, no refunds”. Oops!
            ምላስ እንጂ ሰንበር የሌለው ….

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ኣንታ ሳይሞን
            ዋላ መማቕርቲ ኢልካ ‘ኳ ሓደ ኣስላማይ ጥብ ኣይተብለላን።
            ናይ ኣግ ኣዝያን ባንድ ድያ?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            Fozia Hashem was doing background vocals on another number called ‘Eyes without a face’ while Mahmud Sherifo was the overall technical director.

            Agazians don’t do rock, you are mistaken.

          • Abi

            Simon
            It is obvious that Agazians play only country.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Simon:
            Your point?
            Semere Tesfay has NOTHING to do with the wild “Artists…“!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Sultan,

            The picture is used as an allegory.

            The people of Eritrea went into a frenzy, aided, abetted, justified and covered up the crimes of guerrilla movements. They knew all along what they were up for. Now the ‘revolution’ has failed, there is no case for complaint.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ሃባርም

    ምስ ገጸይ ተላልየ ሎሚ
    ምልጻይ ገዲፈዮ ጭሕሚ
    መዓት ፍልልይ ሪአ ካብ ዓሚ
    ኮሮና ‘ሎሚኽስ ግንደይ ትረግሚ?
    ዶ ዋላስ ተገርሚ

    ወይለከ! ከመይ ረሲዓዮ ሕጂ
    ኮሮና ደኣ ተባዕታይ ዶ ‘ይኮነን ግዲ

    ከመይ ደኣ ጸዊዐዮ ብጓል
    እዊ ክሓስም ገዛ ምውዓል
    ንሕና ከምዚ ዝበልና ደኣ
    ከመይ ኔሩ ምዝንባል
    ብሰንኪ ህግደፍ ዘባል
    ጣቋ ዘይርከቦ ብጀካ ናይ ዕንወት ዕላል
    ነዚ ሽፍታ ስርዓት ምድጋፍሲ ኣይኮነን ዶ ምጽላል?
    ——ጠፊኡ
    ——ተሓግሒጉ
    ——ተቦርቊቚ
    ምስ ስማዕናሲ
    ሓላል
    እወ ሓላል!!!!

  • Abi

    Hello Fellow addicts
    Please read ኢሳይያስ 26:20.
    I found it interesting.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Hey Abi,
      I didn’t know shelter in place was invented long time ago 🙂

      • Abi

        Hello MM
        ትንቢተ ኢሳይያስ ብዙ ነገር ያስተምረናል::

  • Sultan M.G.

    Selam Simon,Horizon and All others :

    This clip LITERALLY supports Simon and his arguments and answers the questions!
    Glad China decided to BAN wild animal trade!
    Enjoy!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivyZRaYOf_8

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    ኤርትራ ንደቃ ፋሕ ምስ አበለቶም ኤርትራዊት ደራፊት አምለስት ዝደረፈቶ ንሎሚ ምሸት ክእንግደኩም’የ

    ኒዒባ ሓብሕብዮም
    ኒዒባ አክብዮም
    ኩሎም ደቂኺ’ዮም
    እንዳበለት ጸዋዒት ክትገብር ከላ ብዜማ ገይራ::

    https://youtu.be/J3h-KTGL9p4

  • Abi

    Paul
    Report to class NOW!

    • Paulos

      Abination,

      I am the wrong person at the wrong place. All the best ወንድሜ!

      • Abi

        Are you saying you reported to the wrong class?
        This is your place, this is where you shine!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Doterre,
        You are violating Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle 🙂

  • bardavidi

    Hi…..All……..Sudan had come to the Light………..Increasingly showing its Independence and Young Democracy at work………..It has sided with Ethiopia on its stand of supporting the GERD Master plan for Development as well as showing its own policy of Improved relations with Israel……….Disregarding the Failed Policies of the past as well as the Taboos established by the Arab League…………..Selah

    • sara

      selamat, selah
      i beg to differ on your assertion sudan has supported ethiopia against sudan…and is making relationship with israel the Jewish state…
      – sudan from the on set had a principled stand on both cases///
      -it wants Ethiopia and Egypt to negotiate towards a fair share of the Nile water
      -sudan has always stood with the Palestinian cause for justice and has paid dearly
      and it is also the Afro/ Arab country that always brings the two into common ground on many issues and it will play these role on Egypt Ethiopia dispute.

      • bardavidi

        Hi Sara………..You must not be Keeping up with Current affairs……….That is all I can say…….Plus the first Line of your statement is in Error….???…….Selah

        • sara

          selamat selah,
          you are right it should have been…. “sudan has supported ethiopia against egypt”… thank you….as for not keeping up with current affairs
          … i dont know what is told in those distant places… but down here
          ( i live in the neighborhood) we do not hear or see it that way.

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            “ጆሮ ለባለቤቱ ባዳ ነው” ይባላል::
            Let us see who is the kindest person willing to translate this for you?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sara
            what do u mean “we”?, for sure didn’t include Sudanese., ethiopian refugees in sudan witnessed a very big love from Sudan people to ethiopia after 3A, because of it they r even less affected by the new sudan gov refugee policy.
            the point is every body see things the way they see it.

          • sara

            selam ato tedros,
            when i say we …i mean those of us who live in the area under discussion,on another note…. there are thousands of Ethiopians who live in sudan and egypt. i dont know how many Sudanese or Egyptians are in Ethiopia.i hope the Dam thing will be settled soon .so that it will not be used to hurt with the lives of people from ethiopia in Sudan and Egypt.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sara
            1st don’t worry about ethiopian refugees in sudan , they r more of migrant workers who think they can get a better job, they can return to ethiopia anytime they want, they r not refugee refugee like the 10th of 1000s Sudanese refugees who lives in a refugee camps in ethiopia( benshangul). In egypt i don’t think there is big numbers of ethiopia in egypt, me to i hope the dam thing will be settled soon and i hope we will see ” sisi” in front of millennium hall speaking with broken amharic praising ethiopia in 2 -4 years time , otherwise the Egyptian in egypt will be hurt the most.

          • sara

            selam ato tedros,
            i wish it is like you said/// i know there is a good will by the current government when it comes to ethiopia… but…the general public mood is different. they are asking the government to restrict foreigners taking local jobs and owning business, and that some how will affect ethiopians in sudan. as for there are few ethiopians in egypt…..that was what i was thinking too until i visited egypt. infact i was thinking only eritreans are in egypt but saw more ethiopians.In cairo suburbs or certain localities you will find ethiopian restaurants…tea shops coffee shops.
            i know the number of refugees in egypt is insignificant to the population of the country… but also is mind boggling how this people earn their living as Egypt does not have a job market like the gulf countries.the UN also does not help… as far as i know….
            In any way… the world will not let the ethio egypt dispute to go into uncharted situation that will also affect the region

          • bardavidi

            Hi…Sara…….We are in a Global Neighborhood……..Distances are Minisculed to Seconds………You need only a little Precious time……..Thank You………Selah

  • Selam All,
    News coming out of Ethiopia tell us that foreigners, including American citizens, are demonized and harassed due to the coronavirus, as the news says. The American embassy has issued a worning to it’s citizens to be careful.
    I don’t understand what American citizens have got to do with the virus, unless the reason is something else. The last stand by the evil Trump and WB on the side of Egypt against Ethiopia could be the reason, in my opinion.
    USA citizens were never harassed in Ethiopia even during the communist Derg, let alone today.
    One can see the damage Trump has done to the USA relations with other countries, Ethiopia, for example, which is a USA ally.
    It is a shame he dupped USA citizens in the last elections and got elected. This time over, the shame will be theirs if they reelect him in the coming elections.

    • bardavidi

      Hi….Horizon……..You can count on Two up coming Incidents Per my Calender………First is that Trump will be Elected with a Very convincing Majority and no room for Doubt………Second……..America will eventually end up in the GERD Dam mediation favoring Ethiopia and Sudan ……..To put the Iceing on the Cake………Sudan will help Financially and Technically to the Implementation of the Dam and gain more Benefit in the Process……….Put this note as a Remembrance of These………..Selah

      • Selam bardavidi,

        Here is a chance for Sudan to prove to itself and the world that it is not a protectorate of Egypt. Its independence of 1956 is real, even if Egypt doubts it through its actions. Egypt never saw Sudan as an equal partner, but as a protectorate, as it used to be when it was an Anglo-Egyptian colony.
        Sudanese citizens are treated even today disparagingly in Egypt as all Africans are, and it is much better for Sudan if it sees its future with Africa than with the Arab world. For the time being it will continue to be tempted with Arab petro-dollars. Nevertheless, this is not permanent, and its future is with Africa.
        Sudan has a lot to gain from the Ethiopian dam without paying a penny for it. I hope that it continues to appreciate this fact for the sake of her national interest, and it will not throw away such a chance for the sake of Arab solidarity, where it is not even seen an equal member.
        Trump may still have the support of the Evangelicals, but not as it used to be, not at least that 80% we saw in 2016. I don’t think that white female Americans will again vote for him as they did. There is a chance he may win, there is also a slim chance he may lose. There seems to be this pattern that Americans like their president to have two terms in the white house. This may also play a role.
        Finally, as much as the GERD is concerned, what you said is the logical outcome, that Trump will finally support Ethiopia, because he will be opposed from all directions, from within and outside the country. There are some American senators who are saying that the GERD is none of Trump’s business. Let’s hope that he gets his NPP as a war-time president by defeating the Coronavirus, and not by sacrificing poor old Ethiopia.

        • bardavidi

          Hi….Horizon………I agree with your statement about Sudan……..It is Bravely showing the Independent Mentality of their People……….Taking firm stands in favor of their National interest in place of Appeasing outsiders thru Political corectness…………That is a sign of Democracy at work………As to Trump……….He will win again and this time even much Bigger………..The DNC is not the Party of LBJ, Kennedy and the like anymore…………..Its too far to the Left and out of Touch with its Constituents and the National Interest……….That is Why they are going to lose again……….Practically it has become the Party of the Dis-enfranchised and not the Main Stream……..I call it The American Socialist Party……….Selah

      • Hashela

        Selam Selah

        I am stunned by the certainty with which you put your projection. No error margins and no hedgings!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Hashela,

          Let me predict on the “prediction itself” . These are a flunk out predictions. Lacks enough assessments and did not take in to consideration, the known of the unknowns and the unknown of the unknowns,

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Could you please elaborate.
            Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            based on the known of the unknown and the unknown of the unknowns what bardavidi predicted certainly don’t make u happy or make u sad but every thing, specially the US economy under Trump will show u Trump will win the next election.
            and based on the behaviour of the ethiopian gov(if u know any) and based on the Egyptian reaction and based on the sudan gov reaction,
            Ethiopia is already won, now the game is about being regional power and at the end ethio gov r sure and knows USA will side more with ethiopia.

          • bardavidi

            Hi Teodros………Factual and Realistic…….Thanks………Selah

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel
            It is interesting how Rumsfeld managed to remain in our memories

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ፕሮፌሰር ኤማ

            ሰብ ይነብር ብተስፋ
            ህግደፍ ይዕንትር ኣብ ዘለፋ

            ንግደፎ ይተንትኖ ናቱ ትምኒት
            ትራምፕ ተስዒሩ ግን ናብ ደልሃመት
            ብዘይ ገለ ጸገም ስኽትት
            ምኢቲ ዓመት
            ንድሕሪት
            ጉትት
            የግዳስ
            ባይደን ኣሎ መስለኒ ን ትራምፕ ዝዓግት

            ኣፉ ተስዒሩ ግና
            ገለ ‘ኳ መጸና
            ኣዝዩ ዝኸፈአ ካብ ኮሮና
            እሞ ገዛ ዶ ክገዝእ ኣብ ጾሮና?
            ኤእ! ‘ቶም ወያነ ከይምንጥሉና
            ዓዲ በርሀ-ጻዕዳ ጅግና
            ናትና ከይብሉና
            ‘ንታይ ‘ሞ ክገብር
            ካላሽን ተሸኪመ ብዘይ ካዝና
            ክላ ግደፉና

        • bardavidi

          Hi…Hashela……..Yes It is with absolute certainity………Time will come ……….Just note and wait………Selah

          • Abi

            Hello bardavidi
            I’m with you on this.

          • Hashela

            Hi Selah

            Your certainly reminds me on the people who roams my neighborhood on the 7th day of the week

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            I like those people.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            They wouldn’t accept you

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I know. But we have a lot to learn from them.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I am lacking words

          • Abi

            Hashela
            “ቃላቶች ያጥሩኛል ምን ብዬ ላድንቅሽ
            እንዲያው በደፈናው ሞናሊዛዬ ነሽ ”
            ብሎ ዘፍኗል ጥልሽ

          • Hashela

            Abi
            That’s why they wouldn’t like you

          • Abi

            Hashela
            As long as you like me I’m okay.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I am glad our conversation is hijacked before i answered your question

          • Abi

            Hashela
            What was my question?

          • Hashela

            Abi
            Something fundamental.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Guys,
            Easy! I don’t see anything wrong with predicting…no matter how ridiculous it may seem, at the moment.
            Isn’t that what theoretical physicists do? Easy on me those who call yourselves highly educated people.

          • Abi

            Hello MM
            I really don’t know what theoretical physicists do. I’m sure they invent important things.
            Things like important things. Things like tremendous things. Like big things…

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Abi,
            Now you sound like the orange man 🙂
            BTW, sorry for interrupting your conversation…it won’t happen again

          • Abi

            MM
            I was making juice from the orange thingy. Glad you caught it. You are attentive.

          • bardavidi

            Hi….Muhandis……….Yes………Specially when it is in a Logical order………Selah

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Selah,
            You know, there were so many prediction on science that proves completely wrong. We just tend to remember the theories that prove right.
            Coming to yours, I would pray (well I will start) that you will be wrong about the orange man 🙂
            About the comment on Sudan, that should be good for for both Sudan & Ethiopia.
            Even if you get 50% right, it is a worthy call.

          • bardavidi

            Hi……..To prove right or wrong……..I only say wait and see and Note my record as well……..Time will tell ………..If you do not forget……..Selah

          • Hashela

            I am curious how many of us are working from home.

          • bardavidi

            Hi……Hashela………..I do see those as well…..But The 7th day is Set aside for Observation and not Roaming……..Their deed speaks by itself…………Wait and see………Selah

          • Hashela

            Hi Selah

            You seem to have more information about the election money people are about to get

          • Abi

            Hello bardavidi
            In my neighborhood it is about 50/50.
            50% observers and the other 50% observing the observers.

          • Hashela

            Neighborhood committee!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Neighborhood watch!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Correct!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Blockwart, is the right word

          • Abi

            Hashela
            It sound something used in Stuttgart.

          • Hashela

            Hi Abi

            Oder in München

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Now I am lacking words.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Ethiopian Nomads Bleeding to Death After Arrival of Chinese Oil and Gas Firm.

    A mystery illness has killed more than 2,000 nomads in Ethiopia’s Somali region since 2014, according to a report published Tuesday by Voice of America (VOA).

    Those who have treated the ill say symptoms of the mysterious illness include bleeding from the nose and mouth, swollen limbs, and a green or yellow tint to eyes. Victims of this mystery ailment comprise a nomadic tribe of cattle herders, who roam the Ogaden Basin region, rich in oil and natural gas reserves.

    The so-called wet markets of China — the meat markets that often include wild animals ranging from snakes to pangolins — exist for a variety of reasons, ranging from price to superstitious belief in medicinal properties of exotic animals.

    Whatever the rationale, the communist Chinese government has been exceedingly tolerant of such markets, even though they have now been responsible for the spread of coronavirus, SARS, bird flu, Asian flu and swine fever.

    The Chinese government has been similarly tolerant of treatment via traditional Chinese medicine rather than evidence-based, clinical, medicine, which has increased the risk of such diseases.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Welcome back Simon!
      I read about it but did not t has been this much serious.
      Some blamed the gas exploration .But free went extreme wit the conspiracy of social genocide .
      Has this incident been reported to/by the WHO ?
      Why is the Ethiopian govt quite about it?
      These sinos are crap with their dirty and risky culture of harvesting infected bats and snakes .
      The swine virus,/N1H1,the SARS, and now the mutated corona virus….

      • Selam Sultan,

        Social genocide is a strong word to use, if anybody mean that the purpose is to kill the local population. I think that toxic substances are used in oil and gas drilling, and these may have contaminated the surrounding area. The chinese may not want to invest more money in the recommended way of the disposal of toxic substances, as it usually happens in third world countries. and the ethiopian government has not been supervising responsibly. Otherwise, no one wants to kill the local population on purpose.

        It is said that Italy has left behind buried somewhere in an undisclosed site(s) in Ethiopia part of the poisonous gas it used against the ethiopian people. No one knows what has happened with it, if people and animals are being contaminated and poisoned or not.
        I hope that the regional government and the federal government as well, come up with an explanation, whether it is due to the oil and gas works, or some sort of infection causing the deaths, and take the necessary measures. In both cases, it is an urgent situation that should be tackled. Nobody should therefore jump into conclusion before an investigation is carried out, especially by insinuating genocide.
        I don’t think that the chinese culture is dirty and risky. What one eats is immaterial as long as it is not toxic and contaminated. Thousands of people in the western world every year eat contaminated meat products with a strain of E. Coli , and they get the so-called HUS, and some may even die. Just one example. Yes, it is limited in extent, nevertheless, an infection. Therefore, the problem is not what one eats but in what condition he/she eats it.

        There were billions and billions of desert locusts wreaking havoc and destroying crops in the horn of africa, recently. The locusts were tones and tones of protein. Is there any explanation why human beings should not eat locusts? I hope that the chinese will teach us in the future how to make these desert locusts the source of protein for our malnourished people and the malnourished human beings of the future due to climate change. There is a way to make them clean and disease free.

        Cubans were right when they said, “anything that flies except airplanes and anything that swims except submarines”, could be eaten. That was the reason many donkeys were disappearing in Ethiopia those days. 😂

        • Sultan M.G.

          Selam Horizon:
          Sorry that I could not edit my comment, which was written when I was half asleep.
          Agree with what you said;but the way the Chinese are handling the birds, the bats, the snakes, etc … has messed the world health and economy .
          There is consistency and pattern here.
          Not, only that, they are responsible for most of the climate change .
          If you have been to Hong Kong or Beijing, you might understand what I am saying.
          There should not be any excuse… if at all they are responsible for this mess(conspiracy theories about some technical failure in handling biological warfare agents cannot be totally ignored!).
          FYI:
          Locusts are sources of food in some places and cultures of our world.

          The E Coli scenario should not be compared with the viral epidemics and pandemics we are going through.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Horizon

          Some strains of E. Coli are found in the human digestive system, they are harmless. Harmful E. Coli can be avoided through keeping proper hygiene such as making sure food is not contaminated with human or animal waste.

          E. Coli is not transmitted through breathing, and there has been no pandemic/epidemic related to it. Your argument, as usual, is based on a logical fallacy – Tu quoque.

          Those who eat snakes, rats, bats, locusts, monkey brains … must be sub-humans.

          • Simon Kaleab,
            “Those who eat snakes, rats, bats, locusts, monkey brains … must be sub-humans.”
            Nothing unusual when it comes from a would-be black supremacist, who worships Trump and calls him the “alpha male”, whom you say has the right to grab and grope women.
            Go and learn how people live around the world. They don’t live by eating at the MacDonald’s, your newly found luxury, after fleeing your country. The West has turned you into an ignorant and arrogant African, who says, ‘why don’t they eat cakes if they are hungry’. I doubt you know the story.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Horizon the weak minded,

            Your response is feeble, full of lies. You did not address the issue.

            What does a would-be black supremacist mean?

            I am not black, white or yellow. I am just a proud Judeo-Christian Habesha who follows Old Testament dietary rules.

            “…has the right to grab and grope women.”

            You are making it up as you go along. You have ran out of ideas.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam horizon
            U r not just weak minded but u r Q physically and mentally,
            u accused simon the proud locusts eater as being black supremacist for his remark on those who eat snakes, rats locusts and monkeys. he himself is locusts eater for god sake.
            u think u r fighting chauvinism? I get news for u, ur Q mental kind of ethiopia will never be materialize, ur Q ignorance thinking is the one will disintegrate ethiopia, not anybody else.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selamat Profs./Drs.Horizin,Hashela,Aman H and others:

            Forget about the nonsensical ” racism” thing when it comes to sad and hardcore facts.
            Yes,as Africans,we are way BEHIND,period.
            Hint:
            -More than 85% of HIV infections and AIDS in the USA are among who?

            -Of the 50 % of inpatients at one point in a USA Hospital where AIDs cases ; and were they?
            .
            -More than 80 % STDs(STIs) are among who?

            -99% of reported rapes allegedly are committed by who?
            ( a seriously biased report-of course).

            -Blacks have 30 % unemployment rate

            Hahahah…Of course,you will tell me that all the above reports have to do with “racism “in America!
            etc…
            But I agree that the way they are reported,the bias,the socio-economic factors,the socio-economic injustice and discrimination, etc…play a role but numbers do not lie despite the biased and skewed studies..
            The question to answer is not the ‘WHY” and the “HOW since we know the answers…for the most part.

            We have to equally admit that we Africans wherever we/they are,do not do our/their home work and obligations either.

            It is crucial that we have to have a socio-cultural revolution… and basic Education in Africa so as to minimize such devastating health risk factors and practices; and the Chinese should Know better.
            The way the Africans are indifferent to the Chinese neo-Colonialism/economic is another failure.

            Aside from his brutal and dry but to the point a one-liner comments and communication skills,as usual,what Simon said is factual and a bitter truth we have to swallow.

            Not sure if he is a Medical person but he is spot on when it comes to “Lethal Zoonotic Diseases” including the deadly viral epidemics and pandemics, pending Dr Paulos’ input.
            My whole point here is that we have to avoid using the term “racist” inappropriately.
            Talking FACTS does not make one a racist.
            We can talk about “attitudes and perceptions”.
            Note:
            Paulosay,U R ,indeed,in the RIGHT place and at the RIGHT time..

            Just stay away form old and irrelevant stories and 3000 yrs of myths.

          • Selam Sultan,

            A long time ago i read a study that was carried out in south africa, during the apartheid era. It was to prove that black people have inferior IQ compared to whites, otherwise, white people are a superior race.
            They took the same number of white and black children of primary school age and they put them in a boarding school. They attended class together, everything.
            At the end of the experiment, after they finished primary school, to their surprise they found no difference in their intelligence, grades, achievements and other measurements.
            The difference between the two groups appeared after they left primary school. Most of the white children joined prestigious schools in south africa, in europe and in other places. They could afford.
            Another ten years later the white children had returned as doctors, lawyers, engineers, anything you can imagine. The fate of the black african children who were studied was as expected. They ended up members of the black south african society with no hope or future.
            The simple explanation was the absence of justice and “equal opportunity” for black africans that can be characterized as “racism” and not race itself, i.e. being black. It was as simple as that.
            I don’t think that in the USA blacks and whites have an equal chance in education, work, everything in general. Growing up through discrimination at every stage of their lives is not an easy matter.
            As a late comer to the USA society, half educated in some other country, the frustration, the hopelessness and the wrong way of reacting to these may not have affected you as it affects afro-americans. The history of afro-americans is the history of five centuries of injustices.
            Therefore, it is not right to blame the victims of slavery and discrimination by saying that their failure is due to their laziness and not due to racism. It is difficult to understand how you reached the conclusion that racism in the USA is nonsensical. I didn’t know that the american society is so angelic.
            The low level achievement in education, in the economy, standard of living, etc of afro-americans, in my opinion, is the result of the absence of equal opportunity with the white american. Frustration could drive anybody to become irrational and hopeless, and maybe even worse.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Horizon.
            Fully aware!
            The USA did similar studies but in indirect in biased ways ; and they came up with nasty and staggering statistics comparing whites Vs blacks….
            Manufacturing and distributing chewing gums and candies infested with anthrax toxins / bacteria among black is another one I read about!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            There is no question blacks(sub Sahara africans and originated from sub sahara africa) including ethiopia(habesha) r junkie, i mean black countries all over the world sociopolitical and economic conditions r the prove.
            The point is, unless “black countries and people” can’t prove the world by changing the statuesque, statistics mean nothing.. There is no even one sub sahara countries out of 50 something countries that have a power like iran or north korea. South africa has 4-5 millions European.
            In ethiopia case unless some body do something about the likes of horizon, the Q abi, the tplf and so on, i think ethiopia will remain junkie for so long.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam HORIZON:
            I re-read your comment and have found it more than an accurate observation and analysis in ref to the destructive role of RACISM and DISCRIMINATION !
            I tried to say what you brutally but correctly said indirectly for fear of …, unknown.
            Contrary to your understandable assertion, I have lived in the USA for EXACTLY 26 yrs and 4 months!
            I have NEVER experienced such emotional and socio-cultural shock as a human being and as a professional in my life, specially at work place simply coz of who I am, what I look and how I talk.
            I might have sounded contradictory and belittling the African-Americans and their more than two centuries of horror .
            You sound that you have lived here for more than I have done!

            Apologies if you understood it that way.

            Granted, I have also to admit that I am so grateful to belong to the 5% of the USA population due to the opportunity I have been provided with.

            And for the sake of fairness, I also should admit that we should not solely blame the white man since we “,as a black community,have to do and achieve more.
            The above few points should clarify my whole point of my seemingly negative and contradictory comment above .

          • Selam Sultan,

            No reason to apologize. Sometimes hindsight is 20/20, as they say. What we have to do is to sympathize with the less fortunate. There are many wonderful people who were (are) lost in oblivion, because they didn’t have opportunity, or they were not lucky enough, or their chance to become somebody was snatched away from them.
            In my village there were two guys i still remember after so many years. One of the guys was, if i can say so, a “foot-ball wizard” and the other was in a way a multitasker. More or less, there was nothing he couldn’t do. He could fix the only car there was in my village. He had no special experience nor training, and i doubt if he had completed elementary education. Both lost the opportunity to become somebody, and ended up ordinary villagers.
            Except the arrogant and ignorant whiteman/woman, if you ask them if they really believe that white people are superior than blacks or other groups, they will tell you right away that they don’t believe it. Nevertheless, they will tell you that that is what they inherited from their ancestors, and that will be what they will inherit their children, because it serves their interest and it will serve their children’s interest.
            White Americans are scared of becoming a minority in the USA within a generation or two. That is why they like Trump’s wall, and that is one of the reasons they want him to stay around, because he is a white supremacist. That is also why they support the far right.
            Interest, my friend, interest, personal and group interest. That is the name of the game.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selamat Dottore !
            Could NOT agree more but was trying to be a bit reserved.
            Trumps Homeland Security/ Immigration Minster said it PUBLICLLY what you sarcastically declared !

            “ We are in a scary situation that the USA demographics is shifting FAST”!

            There should be a motive as to why “The President of the Land of Immigrants and Opportunities” openly degraded Mexicans and Africans as well as Muslims and introduced the TOUGHEST Vetting System against same people and their countries”!
            He openly declared that he prefers “Norwegian/Scandinavian and British Immigrants” under the cover of “ Self-sufficient and Educated” people as if more than 80% of African Intellectuals and Professionals are serving ”the Land of Immigrants and Opportunities”!

            An NBC Reporter responded saying:” ”Have you ever known that Chicago city is hosting more DOCTORS than those in Ethiopia”?

            Another reporter confirmed that the most politically and economically stable Ghana loses more than 6000 ( Six Thousand)Intellectuals and Professionals annually to the West in general and to the USA in particular!!!”

            Am not sure about its veracity but would not be surprised if it is true since I know for fact that Ethiopia and ERITREA have “lost” more than 75% of the Doctors!

            It is time for Africa to wake up and do something against this dangerous Brain Drain, the impact of Neo-Colonialism”!

          • Selam Sultan,

            I think that you were the first person who brought to this site the so-called “Red Sea Dam”. To tell you the truth, I didn’t understand what you were talking about. I googled and found out that it is an interesting concept, nevertheless, weird and impractical with ecological implications. In my opinion, it requires cutting edge engineering and a lot of capital. Moreover, it needs participation of all countries that border the red sea.
            The aim is to inform others who do not know about it like me.
            “The idea is to dam the Red Sea at its southern end where the Bab-el-Mandab Strait is only 29 km (18 mi) wide. Natural evaporation would rapidly lower the level of the enclosed Red Sea. Water rushing back into the sea would then drive turbines to generate electricity. It is claimed that up to 50 gigawatts of electrical power could be generated..” (Wikipedia)..

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Horizon:
            The Red Sea Dam possibility including its feasibility,has/have been well studied scientifically by Environmental and Economics Scientists!
            Our own Scientist, Professor Hossana , among others, presented this study.
            I was just mentioning the POTENTIAL!

            Plus, Public Health and Clinical Medicine Researchers as well as Evidence-based Medicine Practitioners, like you, Aman Hidrat and Paulos, don’t report fake and over ambitious as well as hypothetical reports .
            All what I reported above including the massive natural resources in Eritrea as well as the possibility of building the Red Sea Dam are but well documented Scientific Facts.
            Ref:
            -Energy Intelligence/Eritrea
            -Journal of Environmental Science/ Prof Hossana

          • Sultan M.G.

            Addendum:
            Horizon:
            We had a serious discussion few yrs ago when Prof Hossana Solomon released his Article!
            If the moderator makes an exception, here is the Article and the references:
            https://www.tesfanews.net/red-sea-the-natural-dam-of-eritrea/

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            “ Those who eat snakes, rats, bats, locusts, monkey brains … must be sub-humans.” Really? You made unjustifiable statement, to say the least. I am afraid not to claim that the Judeo-Christian are the only “humans” when you try to deny your black race, if you are an Eritrean by the way.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            I am sure it didn’t escape your attention that here there are several people who have an utterly racistic attitude toward their own race and constantly belittle the achievement of their own race and people. It seems that the mental decolonization of many African elites is completely failed.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            One who does not respect his “owns” will neither be respected by his owns nor does his owns be respected by others. A simple truth we have to realize and change accordingly our manners.

          • Hashela

            ዓቢ ሰብ

            I can’t agree more!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam aman h
            U said “if u r an eritrean by the way” , what is that mean ? u want his locusts eating azz to be eritrean? simon heart and mind is known for every body so do who is eating locusts

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I am not going to say about moral value or pass judgment but I think there is legitimate concern how the practice of eating from the wind animals could be the reason for the epidemic.

            There is no justification of eating wild exotic wild animals from Africa in Chinese wet markets, and the government such as China is not doing enough to stop it or at best tries to hide it.

            In case of what’s reported death in the Somali region in Ethiopia, I think the government must do everything to investigate and stop the death.

            There is no reason to sugar quote it and find an economic justification.

            I also think Ethiopian airlines continue to operate to China was a wrong decision and I think it needs series debate if the decision was right.

            I don’t buy these whole notion that in the name of economic advantage that we must lose all our common sense.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            If there are arguments to be made medically and scientifically on those issues, it can be made by those who are equipped with it. But insinuating those people who are eating those animals are “sub-humans” is not only “inappropriate” but it is also a “demeaning and belittling” statement. These is what I always say in this forum: it is not only about how “truthful the statement“ you try to make, it is also how you try to convey those statement to get reception at the receiving end. If we use “inappropriate words” to convey for the so called “truthful things” they will lose their “truthfulness” and will be repelled at the receiving ends. Facts and how we convey them equally matters.

            Regard

          • Teodros Alem

            selam behre
            I mean there is no prove that say Chinese eating habits r the reason for the death of ethiopians in Somalia region. There r so many Chinese in all over ethiopia, It just ridicules to say the one eating the “disgusting” food is not dying but the surrounding people r the one dying. may be the people died for different reasons and the gov needs to investigate the reason of the death( if the death is true) but maybe the media that doesn’t like drilling oil in that part of ethiopia connect the two different story as a news,
            U can’t just start investigation for every rumours or gossips.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            Those media job to a to report and inform the public and hold government officials accountable. And in sone cases, they should investigate as well.

            But the government attitude which says “don’t ask any questions, don’t report anything” because you don’t want development is not a good response or the right defence as well.

            So the government does not need too defensive if asked. It’s the government job to respond appropriately.

            I think it’s a mistake for Ethiopian airlines to continue to fly to China. Who made that decision and why?

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            1st since we don’t know in what kind of sickness the people r dying and since we don’t know the news itself is true, u just can’t investigate the Chinese. all u can do is investigate the cause of the death(if any) and u will go from there.
            plus don’t forget there r 100s of 1000th Chinese live and work in all over ethiopia and it is unlikely somali kilil to be exceptional.
            2nd, maybe these who don’t like the drilling did the news and u have to know the propaganda styles of the ethio gov, maybe they r doing it to tell the somali region people that ur enemies r trying to disrupt ur economic growth that comes out of this project by fake news, bla bla.
            berhe we don’t know exactly what is going on but using common sense, am 99% sure Chinese eating habits don’t kill those people(if there is any death ), if Chinese eating habits kill people, Chinese will be the first to day and we will see it all over the world where Chinese resides

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            I don’t know the facts and I don’t think you know either. If people are dying, that’s a fact you can’t deny. If you are saying, that’s a lie then it’s up to you (government) to prove to the public that’s init the case. You can’t make an argument, because Chinese are not dead in other parts, there fir that’s not true.

            All it takes is one infected person to cone in contact with another person, and then twice, 4 times, 16 times and grows exponentially, before you know it gets out of hand.

            So considering what’s happening around the world, you can’t rule out anything.

            Let me ask you? Is the death reported in Somali region true or not?

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            I don’t know , that is why i said we don’t know exactly what is going on there, we don’t know if people dying or not, we don’t know what the cause of the death but this so called “news” popup and u guys r tempted to say “Chinese eating habits” r the cause of the death with out analyzing the other possibilities, like a total ido:)
            what i know is this,
            1, if this Chinese eating habits through virus kills people, it can’t be only in somali kilil.
            2, drilling in ogaden is always been politically hot.
            3, the news say the death started long ago and we didn’t see the ethio gov reaction, any reaction.
            4, some reports say last year US “flu season” killed. 80 thousand people.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Teddy:
            I failed to follow you well but few facts:
            -Listen to the clips me and Berhe posted, specially the NBC one posted by Berhe
            -There is a serious pattern of viral epidemics before the COVD-19 pandemic , most of them or all of them originating from China and relatively confirmed epidemiologically that the origin of these epidemics and pandemics are related to the “ Wild Animal Trade”!
            There is a historical correlation with that of HIV ,Ebola and the brain eating virus or parasite ( something like Jacobs Neuro degenerative disease), which Dr Paulos the Pathologist will elaborate further as Simon did.

            Am still a believer in Conspiracy Theories based on circumstantial evidence though that some evil human beings can be involved in developing such mutated killer viruses in Labs either as part of social GENOCIDE and/ or for Biological Warfare Purposes, which is possible as President Clinton said it when asked such a question… wether HIV and other deadly microbes could have been developed in Labs….for the same purpose I mentioned.

            As far as the Ogaden incident is concerned, I think most believe that it has to do with the toxic byproducts of the gas exploration considering the clinical manifestations the victims have developed .

            But again, we can’t rule out 100% the conspiracy theory that this could be part of sort of …… since the Ogaden Nomads and rebels had destroyed the Chinese project besides killing lots of Chinese workers in the past .

            “Yal teretere temenetere” aydele yemitilut?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            i have seen ur dodo or something video that u posted earlier, yea . and tthere is no prove in all what u.said and i don’t agree in what u said and i don’t believe in ” yal tereter tementere” the way u put it.
            i heard McDonald’s meat is dog meat, what ur ” teretara” mind say about it?

          • Sultan M.G.

            Come on Teddy:
            You forfeited all the facts and the Science s!
            You “refuted “ all the comments made by the forum.
            So,who is right then?
            ONLY Teddy the “ Great”??
            Cool down and please, change your approach and behavior!

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            reread the article that simon posted it carefully and stop being ido

          • Sultan M.G.

            Teddiye!
            I lost u and u lost me.
            Am an idiot now!
            Holly Molly!
            Not sure why the Mod are chasing only King Sultan!
            Good luck to you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            By now you know the supporters of Trump what kind of supporters they are….and therefore, the one you are dealing with is…….?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel?

            I am not basing my arguments by Trump supporters but by scientists who are claiming the practice of such “wet market” in China and other Asian countries is a huge risk to the global population including the cause of Corona virus.

            Here is a documentary from ABC (Australia) 60 minutes.

            https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw

            As much I don’t like the term used by Trump and his supporters “China Virus”, it’s hard to defend that all the strain of virus are originating from there fir the last little while. At the same time, the Chinese authorities and their influence and pressure against the WHO from calling the disease epidemics and what they tried to do to hide it, including the silencing the doctor who reported it.

            If labeling/singling them out would force the government to crack down on such practice, I think it’s a good thing.

            Trump and his supporters are trying to pass the blame to others for failing to act when they found out.

            I am afraid, the Numbers in the US is going to increase exponentially before it gets better.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            You completely miss my message. I will let you to reread it again. It is straight forward.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ahlen Ya Berhe:
            Spot on buddy!
            Tnx for the link.
            Investigative Journalism and Science at their best!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhino,

            We always talk negative thing about China’s policy in Africa. But it is only China that jumps to help African countries in the current pandemic health crises. Reading the link below will give you a glimpse of China’s effort to help African countries.

            https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-22/china-expands-medical-aid-to-africa-with-first-ethiopia-shipment?fbclid=IwAR0I9SgQKLUPw820Wokhds4CP4cPZU38KdRmWXF_bFzg9TlUWr7PnWQxOBU

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            Thanks for sharing. Although this us good news for Ethiopia/ Africa, but I think this is very worrying developments. I don’t know if any African countries are equipped to deal with this pandemic like most others countries have. I don’t think the western countries at this moment are able to or even willing to consider helping others when their own population is a high risk.

            I criticize China selectively for their aggressive parasite like relationships they forge in the process of taking over the host nations.

            If it was up to me, as in countries like Eritrea and Ethiopia, I would forgo all their “help” and would rather focus on our people and our natural wealth and live a peaceful and healthy way of living (like farming) rather than borrowing money to build expensive hotels, highways were the very rich (corrupt officials and their partners) can enjoy at the expense of the country wealth and resources.

            Tell me one country who got out of debt and become a developed nation because of China.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            “ I don’t think the western countries at this moment are able to or even willing to consider helping others when their own population is a high risk”

            China is helping when they are in the same situation like the Western countries. Just to state the fact. Sharing their resources must be appreciated. But we can’t.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            “ capitalism is synonymous to neocolonialism “ to the third world countries that include African countries.
            A little explanation for the uninitiated is really appropriated.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            I don’t like long answers. Let me simplify it. For the third world countries:

            Capitalism = Neocolonialism

            Neocolonialism is : the economic and political policies by which a great powers indirectly control/maintain over other counties or people.

            Now connect it to my earlier argument.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            By the time I finished connecting your two comments I found China.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            China does not interfere in the politics of African countries nor does it imposes its policies on them. So either you missed the “link” or the “points” to be linked. 😂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            This is what you said earlier in your lively discussion with Berhe.
            “ I criticize China selectively for their aggressive parasite like relationships they forge in the process of taking over the host nations “.
            Now, if you don’t mind, help me connect the links or points or both.
            Apparently, I miserably failed to connect them.
            Thanks again.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I said those you quoted as Amanuel saying said. I think he was quoting me.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hello Hawna
            Now I know where the link connection broke down. You are the culprit.
            Thanks for saving the day.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            Please ignore my comment above.
            I have another question for you
            Why are you convinced that China doesn’t impose its influence on the countries that it deal with on a daily basis?
            I strongly believe that the Ethiopian airlines didn’t stop flying to China during the corona outbreak is due to China’s influences.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            You are turning this argument if I said China “bad” other western countries are “good”.

            I commented on the virus and where the source might be. I think it make sense to continue if the argument is about that.

            I don’t know why China is helping, may be it can or may be it has the virus under control and it doesn’t need as much. So because it gave, does it mean, it never to be criticized if it’s the source of the epidemic?

            When I say others are not able to give, I thought that was a logical reason and you understood what I meant. As per the news that’s going around, and I was speaking with my cousin who work in the US hospital, they are telling them not to wear masks and should leave the supply for those who really need it.

            Does it make sense for the US to donate masks when they don’t even have enough for themselves and are getting shipments from China? Same for Germany, Italy, the UK and others. They have outsourced their whole manufacturing to china, and they don’t even have enough for them.

            I think it’s better to stop the argument now.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            I believe it is a misunderstanding.
            If it helps, please spend few mins to listen to this great artist!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrqix__5Nk&list=RDFLrqix__5Nk&start_radio=1

          • Berhe Y

            Thank you Mehandisa for sharing.

            ተራእዩኒ ናይ ጢዝ ክትስዕስ ከለኻ :).

            ምስ ወዶ አኮይ፡ አያ አማኒኤል ሓደ ሓደ ግዜ አይረዳድእን ኢና፡ ግን ቀልጢፍና እና ንገድፎ፡፡ ግዲ የብልካ፡፡

            Berhe

          • Berhe Y

            ሰላም መሃዲስ፡ ኤማ፡

            ንእግሪ መንገደይ፡ እዚ ሓዳስ ተራእያ ዘትፈልጥ ቪድዮ ናይ አብራሃም አፈውርቂ ክጋብዘኩም፡፡

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZDSDmXStR4

            It must be taped in the 90s in Asmara.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            Another favorite artist! This guy was a genius! Probably that what was the reason for losing his life. That is normal in the bizzaro HGDF world.
            I know the song but I admit that I have never seen this video and thanks for that.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe:
            As usual, you make tons of sense.
            Trump and its supporters will do everything possible and will blame anyone under the sun to get re-elected.

            This Dude shamelessly boasted of controlling the pandemic overnight and was reluctant and even refusing to listen to experts to take preemptive measures !

            And here we are that the USA trailing China,Italy and Iran in the number of cases and deaths, with about 33,000 ( quadrupled in two days)confirmed cases and close to 500 deaths as we speak!
            You might “blame” the alarming reported cases for enough testing but the USA is predicted to have the highest cases and death rate, God forbid!
            It is a SCARY PANDEMIC….NEVER ever seen before.

            Some in the USA were “excited” when the Chinese market lost half a trillion $ within few days due to the corona crisis!

            And guess how much the USA lost in 2 weeks?

            Not to mention the total disruption in all aspects of life!

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            China is proving to the world that it is the new world leader by using soft power. It is saying that it is a friend in need. Capitalistic-Hegemonic power is the old way. The way of the new world power is through providing resources to those who are in need during such hard times. It is proving it by flying much needed items to all corners of the world, including the west. At the same time, Western capitalism proved to the world that it is important and paralyzed, not good to anybody, itself included. It can’t save itself in difficult times, let alone save others. For good or bad, this is the begging of the new world order. I hope for good. Exploitative capitalism has no future.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            China is still a developing nation itself and the development of china is just 30 years old, plus no country said we will got out of poverty by borrowed money but borrowing money from the bank or states is a normal way of doing business in all over the world , specially in developed countries.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhino,

            This another country that become the target of the Western media, but it is sending its “medical team” to help out Italy in the fighting this deadly virus. Italy is losing about 600 lives a day in the medical war currently.

            https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN219051?fbclid=IwAR0es_KUPvZ9FwVCh-X4PvnkwsPyp2HPo_2LQekpFArOD4OPEW0s0Jr0Akk

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aman,

            Thank you for sharing this good news as well.

            I think you are missing my argument. Personally I don’t like dictators of any KIND, be it like Cuba, Chinese, Russian or what have you. So my argument has nothing to do with my opinion about dictators or the influence of the western media. If the criticism against Cuba is for treating it’s opposition or for controlling it’s people I fully support it. If the praise of Cuba for it’s education or health, I support it. So I am not against this or that, but generally I make my opinion based on the facts I know at the time.

            Let me ask you this, since you know more about the healthcare than me. Do you think the criticism of China is warranted? I ask you this, I am not sure if you have a chance to see the documentary that I shared, but my opinion is based on what the Hong Kong Dr. was making with the handling of the “wild animals” in the Chinese and other Asian “wet market”.

            To me, he is making a valid argument and I think the Chinese government have the obligation to crack down on this practice.

            I am not against the Chinese people or what they do etc.. But I totally do not subscribe in their way of life in some aspects, as well as their government manipulates data and for the fact that media is controlled by the state.

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            You are a fanatic supporter of China and seem to be confused.

            Consider these facts:

            1) The virus originated in the Chinese ‘wet markets’

            2) For 2 months China kept the outbreak of the virus secret, allowing to spread silently

            3) In the last 20 years, there were 5 viruses that originated from China – SARS, Bird flu, Swine fever, Asian flu, H1N1.

            China the arsonist is now coming back dressed as a fire fighter.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            Your language and your approach does not invite for engagement. Just to remind you if have not noticed it,

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            This is not the first time for a deadly virus to originate from Democratic Republic of China 🇨🇳 .
            SARS, Bird flue, N1H1 and more.
            What makes Corona different and difficult to contain is Communist China hid the pandemic from the world population. Now, as you proudly said China is back helping the Italians in their efforts to contain the virus.
            Communist China should be held responsible for every death and inconvenience that is caused by their actions and non actions.
            I found it mind boggling that you are praising the actions of the Communist China.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Where did I say China is helping Italy? What I said is Cuba is sending a brigade of medical team to help out Italy. What I also said is China is helping African countries in the fight of this deadly virus. These are facts and your country is being one the recipient. Refer to the two links I have provided to this forum.

            Second, if you are asking responsibility from China for the death caused by this virus, can we also ask responsibility from Senegal for the death caused by Ebola, because the origin of Ebola was from that place. By extension are we going to demand responsibilities from any country where any epidemic or pandemic spread out? Where is the rationality, Ras Abi?

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            As I said before, Communist China irresponsibly hid the coronavirus from the world. China jailed and made disappear those people who tried to ring the bells. That is the point I tried to make.
            Again, I failed to see the rationality in defending the irresponsible activities of the China.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            Let me tell you “the truth” starting from the Cold War, your country were beneficiary

            USSR
            1- Dejach Balcha hospital (gift)
            2- Bahirdar poly Technic Institute (gift)
            3- Asseb refinery industry (before Eritrea suceeded as gift).

            CHINA (for the New Ethiopia)

            1- New African Union building (gift)
            2- Two Addis Urban railroads (East to West and North to South of Addis)
            3- Addis belt highway
            4- Two national railways from Djibouti to Addis and to Mekele
            5 – And others (undisclosed)

            Now tell any institution or any project built or given as a gift by the Western countries in Ethiopia, despite Ethiopia had the friendships for decades since Haileselassie. Ethiopians elites who the breed of the west are not thankful enough for the help from the other side of the world. You never stop from biting the hands that feeds you.

            Regard

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I don’t think you are the right person to accuse others for biting the hands that fed them.
            Many fingers will point at you.
            Now, the point is not what China and USSR did for Ethiopia.
            The point is Communist China hid the coronavirus from the world . The world population is suffering due to the irrational and dangerous behavior of the communist China.

            All the institutions you listed above are not related to coronavirus and are not free gifts from the countries you adore. Except for the AU building, the rest are paid for or will be paid by the current and future generation.
            Balcha Hospital was not built by USSR. For your information, that hospital was called Police hospital during the time you were gainfully employed by the King’s administration.

            Deflection topics for winning argument is not cool. Please focus on China and coronavirus for the time being.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            First, I was hospitalized in the same hospital for “Schistosomiasis” also known as Bilharzia in 1972. I talked with the doctors (both Russian and Ethiopians) back then and am told it is a gift from USSR. So if you denied it then let us proceed we can’t stack on it.

            Second, I am really interested on my questions to get answers. Give me tangible examples of institutions that you are helped with from the West. I just want to learn about it.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi and Emma,

            ጀቶች፡ ኣትጣሉ። On Balcha Hospital, based on reliable sources, the hospital was found and so named on agreement between the two countries. The building was refurbished for use as a hospital by the Imperial Gov of Eth. The Soviets agreed and provided the staff, equipment and medical supplies for years. The building was an Italian period Gondrand transport company that was seized as enemy property following the defeat of Italy.

            P.S. The Asmarinos in this forum know very well the Gondrand company building in Asmara that was over the years progressively abandoned to functionally decay away.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Thank you for the detailed info. Facts are facts. I will see how Ras abi will react now. He also denied that Poly Technic Institute at Bahir Dar and the Refinery at Asseb were built by the Russians and were run by the Russians.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            You are running away from the topic. The institutions built years and decades ago have got nothing in relation with the current pandemic affecting the world. What is affecting the world is the irresponsible actions of the Chinese government. You are here proudly defending this irresponsible actions.
            እስቲ ነገሩ ቢገለፅልዎ በአማርኛ ልሞክር ::
            አሁን በዓለም ላይ የተስፋፋው ወረርሽኝ ከባልቻ ሆስፒታልና ከሌሎች አገልግሎት ሰጭ ተቋማት ጋር በዘር በሃይማኖት በጎሣም ሆነ በነገድ ፈፅሞ አይገናኝም::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            If you want about the Coronavirus, here is new news feed to you (a) No new cases reported at the epicenter Wuhan in China the last three days (b) As part of the new wave restrictions aimed at preventing the so-called imported cases, China is taking new measures. All new entry to China regardless of what their passport is, will be taken straight off the plane by health care workers in hazmat suits. They will be screened, and then they will be bussed straight from the airport to arranged hotels for 14 days of quarantine (c) The first shipment of medical equipment did arrive in Ethiopia to help out for fight omg the deadly virus. How about now, Ras Abi?

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            It is a great news China is doing fine and helping others at the same time. However, had the Chinese government came forward earlier instead of hiding the pandemic, things could have been a whole lot better.
            You are still looking for any excuse to absolve the reckless activities of the Chinese government.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,
            The Chinese Ambassador to the US had an interview with Politico. I listened part of the interview on “morning Joe” on MSNBC this morning before I leave to work. The report we heard from the western media and his response are diametrically different. So disallowing foreign reporters to the epicenter of the crises does not mean the world is not aware about the virus and it’s nature. Quarantining Wuhan city by the Chinese officials, it in itself is a sign how serious and deadly virus it is. Building a hospital of 1000 beds at the epicenter in 8 days right after they knew how contagious it is, tells you the magnitude of the crises. The world knew how deadly virus it is. They waited until it hit them without any preparation. Worse they were careless how to handle it. Look the difference between Italy and South Korea the way they response to it. Look the US has two month to prepare. But they didn’t because the Trump administration saw it as a hoax, even if the US intelligence gave them the warning. There is no excuse especially the West of not have prepared knowing what is coming to them.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            ok. እንደመሰለዎ ይሁን::

          • Samuel

            Selema Amanuel Hidrat,
            Regarding “hiding the pandemic”, not alone US with a number of intelligence agencies, we the citizens of the world were aware of the threat of the virus back in January.

            To add few facts to what you have posted:-

            WP… “– The U.S. intelligence community repeatedly warned President Donald Trump about the danger posed by the highly contagious coronavirus during the months of January and February, according to a report published by the Washington Post on Friday.
            The warnings failed to convince Trump, who despite the information intelligence officials presented to him, downplayed the gravity of the situation and compared the virus to a regular flu outbreak. ”

            abc news….
            • Dec. 31, 2019: WHO says mysterious pneumonia sickening dozens in China
            • Jan. 11, 2020: China reports 1st novel coronavirus death
            • Jan. 21, 2020: 1st confirmed case in the United States
            • Jan. 23, 2020: China imposes strict lockdown in Wuhan
            • Jan. 30, 2020: WHO declares global health emergency
            • Feb. 5, 2020: Diamond Princess cruise ship quarantined
            • Feb. 11, 2020: Novel coronavirus renamed COVID-19
            • Feb. 26, 2020: 1st case of suspected local transmission in United States
            • Feb. 29, 2020: 1st death reported in United States
            • March 3, 2020: CDC lifts restrictions for virus testing
            • March 13, 2020: Trump declares national emergency

            Thus, for those who say China has hidden the wide open threat is just a BS. I think it is a blessing to have another supper power emerging from Asia.

            Thanks,

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Hailat and others:
            I think what my Gonderie Cousin is arguing about has to do specifically with the negative role the Chinese have played from Public Health point of view, which is well documented.
            As far as the contribution of the East vs the Wedt to Ethiopia is concerned, do not forget what the USA and the EU have contributed in cash and in kind over the last 65 yrs!
            An average of a $ billion per annum by the USA and more than an average of Euro 300 million per annum to Ethiopia.
            China has built the said infrastructure for cash, not for free!

            The “ Free Gifts” for Ethiopia by Russia and China Prof Aman mentioned in terms of cash compared to the combined cash GIFTS by the USA and the EU to Ethiopia is but minimal( max of a $ billion ( Russia and China) vs $50 billion by the West)!
            China has made the world to lose more than $3 Trillion within 3 weeks or less!
            These are the FACTS and unmodofiable figures!

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            A textbook example of deflection!
            Stay on topic.
            We are discussing the devastating consequences of the very fact that communist China hid the coronavirus from the world.
            You brought the hospital and refineries. That is running away from the original topic. You can’t ask a question out of the blue and demand an answer which is totally unrelated to the topic at hand.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            There is no free lunch in this world. You are a senior citizen, you should know this by now.

            What is in it for China, with many problems of its own, to shower others with gifts?

            By the way, I hate to inform you that – Dejach Balcha hospital, Bahr Dar poly Technic Institute, Asseb refinery were KGB spy network and recruitment centres.

            You were at Bahr Dar Polytechnic, weren’t you?

          • Abi

            Hello Simon
            It was የአደባባይ ምስጢር that Balcha hospital was KGB headquarter in Addis.
            Ato Amanuel was a patient at that hospital and a graduate of Bahir Dar Polytechnic. He is also an ardent advocate of communism.
            Connecting the dots has never been easier .

          • iSem

            Hi Simon:
            In the ideal world we want organic developments but given the track record of African leaders we cannot have that. Failing that I prefer the west than China hands down.
            At least the West will exploit you and give you something, no matter how little: In 1901 the British built what is now university of khartoum and they seem to leave some trace of inst like churches, courts. Eritreans still talk about the quality of Italian craftmanship China is bad for Africa, they will cut corners, they will not care about inst. They will not create jobs, they will even bring a janitor to work in Africa. I am with you on China though I do not go as far as sub human, I think it is uncivilized.

            When I saw A snake side by side with fish in the market in Shangai and all the crab they eat, by the time I came back, my iron was very low and has lost weight because I stopped eating, except pancake in the morning. One day before I returned I discovered a Middle eastern res called thousand Nights, oh I gorged on the fallafle

          • Abi

            Hello iSem
            When it comes to Chinese investment, there is NO knowledge transfer. I compare them to termites.

          • Hashela

            Hi Sem

            what undibutedly stands out is that Asians have a work ethic that is unmatched by the average white, black and brown man. So it is not surprising that they bring even their janitors to Africa and somewhere else.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hashela,

            You said: “beaten and outsmarted by the Chinese, white man is desperately looking …”

            To date, China has not invented any novel device or technology, be it in pharmaceuticals or electronics or aerospace and defence. Everything China uses is based on Western + Russian technology.

            The tactics that China uses are, to name but few, currency manipulation, protectionism, deployment of massive hacking teams to steal technology from Western companies online, direct theft and reverse engineering. Also, you have, the fielding of a compliant, cheap, slave-like labour force that has little or no protection.

            Add to above the outsourcing of production by greedy Western firms to China in order to maximize their profits.

            So, your assertion above is shallow with no basis in reality.

          • iSem

            Hi Simon:
            From outside, China is all glitter, but no gold. They have a long way to go. I say 100 years to rich where America is now.
            Yea, they send rockets to the Moon, but USA did that with humans 50 years ago. the notion that they are outsmarting the west is little bit wishful thinking
            It is possible that under some myopic leadership like Trump the leadership of the west may lag and China may still the IP and lead the world though,
            Oh some talk about GDP, but GDP is not some magic atom splitting tech,it is merely the sum of salary of everyone who is earning a salary, plus the government investment, exports and imports etc,, and yea China is being lifted from poverty working in the western factories
            when I first came her, a friend asked me do you want Eri to be like Cuba or USA and I started at him and walked away to grab my tea and he answered the question for me and he laughed.
            Many Eritrea still have this Romantic view of the communist model. May I remind them, it failed, the hard work ethic of chinese? and the white man does not work? really how did he managed to colonize the entire world from the Romans to the British.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam isem
            Why can’t u guys see things through the interest of ur countries? What good benefit ur countries can get from relations of these countries, every thing has good and bad side of it and the question is how to minimize the bad and benefit more from the good.,the rest is irrelevant .

          • Selam iSem,
            If China is a 100 yrs behind the USA, why is it that the west is worried about China’s 5G and AI technologies, where they lag behind China in both?

          • iSem

            Hi Horizon
            because in this global leadership the most paranoid survive. They should be

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hirizon,

            Good question. US is really worried on the fast growing of China in technology and economy. China is on the verge of replacing the old USSR to have the super power status,

          • Selam Amanuel,

            The old world (Europe) is too old to do anything,
            The new world (USA) is no more new – internal controversies will play an important role, now and in the future, which will weaken the super power.
            Neoliberalism is no more democratic nor the right economic recipe for the world. No end of history as we see, and the victory of neoliberalism was ephemeral. Neoliberalism brought wars, economic crises, the far right – fascism – nazism, which showed its bankruptcy.
            Trump tried to bully Xi a few years ago with the small island in the china sea, when XI told him that China is not a third world country to play with and he should better be careful how he talks to china, and trump was forced to retreat.
            After the breakthrough, technology will be an easy ride for China in the future. China controls rare earth metals in the world that are necessary in modern electronic technology.
            Therefore, the future world leader will be China.
            How the western world will react to the new reality, whether it will accept it in peace or will resort to war, i have no idea.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            ኧረ በስመአብ በል:: ጉድ ነው!!

          • Selam Abi,

            The first time i heard the term “ጉግ ማንጉግ” was when i was an elementary school student, and i have never heard about it again, but it remained in my mind. There was that person, sort of “ደብተራ” who was sort of educated, church education of the times, who read a book, a type of a magic book as he told us, a book of prophecy. I really don’t know how to call it. The point is that he told us that “ጉግ ማንጉግ”, which as he said will come from the east, otherwise, China, will rule the world.
            Not that i believed or believe it, but it is puzzling, how the person could speak of such a thing so long ago. Have you any idea about the ጉግ ማንጉግ thing, the magic book or the prophecy?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Like you, I heard the phrase/word “ጉግ ማንጉግ”. Usually, it is said by the religious people referring to communist China &USSR of the 50s, 60s, 70s.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            If you ask my mother’s ነፍስ አባት he will definitely tell you that I’m the ጉግ ማንጉግ:: We never liked each other.

          • iSem

            Horizon:
            You vision peers beyond the horizon. Good thing
            You are correct Europe is getting old both demographically and even vision wise. The influx of immigrants may replunsh the demography for physical labour but the brain power is challenging as there are linguistic and other barriers and the barriers of the new immigrants will be reproduced in their offsprings
            USA is a different thing, it is vibrant not od yet if it protects its IP from China it can lead the world for the next century. But it will need visionary leaders to expand its leadership.
            USA vs China? USA tackles one problem with different approaches. IF thches, China is for the most part is centrally directed
            If there was a bet, I would bet on the USA.
            Europe’s leadership in the last 500 years came on the heels of the plague that wiped out 50 percent of its population and now it is coasting on its old glory and is not sustainable. I think the world needs to treat USA as our own country and help it instead of demonizing it for its interference in Iraq, with all its problems of inequity,
            I believe that most of the problems bedeviling humanity will be solved in USA, not in China. My friend BY will skip this comment as he heard it before
            China will have to catch up first and I do not think USA will sit on it laureles while China does catching up
            But for that USA needs unique presidents like Lincoln and Kennedy and FDR and MRK, and now they are endangered species because voters are myopic, they worry about little stuff like bringing factories back to Michigan, they are not coming back
            And this has nothing to do with intelligence, it is with mind set, if the USA keeps its historical audacity, it can make China never to catch up
            I do not think there will be traditional war between china and usa, but there will be cyber ware fare, even biological one
            Rich Chines are coming o USA and Canada, no rich american or canadian goes to China, they go there for better opportunities s temporarily this may be dangerous for USA and Canada as the Chines here may undermine the IP.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Horizon,

            The underlying 5G is invented mainly by collaborating companies in the West.

            The chief advantage of the Chinese 5G company Huawei is price. Many countries are worried about this company coming into their system because it is front for the communist party and therefore is a security risk. Simple.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            Pls check my response to you, that inadvertently posted under Hailat’s comment. Two questions and two statements.

            Regard

          • Hashela

            Selam Simon Kaleab

            Please do the following and come back to me:

            Have a look at the patents submitted by Asians over last 5-10 years.

            Study the number and quality of Nature and Science papers published Asians over the last 5-10 years

            Pay close attention to the research and education budgets of the West and China.

            Go to the campus of elite Universities of the West and pay attention to the demography of science and engineering students and faculty.

            Over the 70 years, all the trade regulations and agreements were done by the West and for the benefit for the West.

            Regarding the stealings of technological invention and natural product, the west is not an angel. Start with Columbus and stop with the Dutch guy who recently inveted ጣፍ.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hashela,

            Your statements are full of logical flaws too numerous to list.

            Can you tell me any game changing concrete inventions the Chinese have made in the last 100 years?

            Can you tell me the technological basis on which the Chinese outsmarted the West?

            Please, no cadre school type of hot air.

          • Hashela

            Hi Simon

            No need for further conversations.

            I wish you all the best

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela,

            Unfortunately, It ended in the same manner with all who tried to engage him. You knew how to disengage when it becomes rough. Good job,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Hashela &Hailat,

            Dr Hashela: You made two very important points that are factual. I would like to highlight them in order to enforce them in the distorted mind of Africans.

            (a) Asian’s work ethics is exceptional and no match to them.

            (b) The West being outsmarted by the Chinese found partners in the African diaspora to demonize China and Chinese people. Well said, brother.

            Hailat; Which animals are edible or not are basically came from the teaching of religious text. For example in the Judeo-Christian Bible tells you not to eat webbed animals. In the Islamic religion pig is forbidden to eat. There are no bad and good animals to eat.

            If the “name caller“ did not call us “sub-humans” those of us who were in the armed struggle were eating snakes, tortoise, monkeys….etc in the field. It is the religious teaching that inoculated a psychological norms on the society. For conscious mind there are not edible and inedible animals.

            Regard

          • Selam iSem,
            You said, “At least the West will exploit you and give you something, no matter how little:”. Why should the west continue to exploit Africa and it get the least in return for its resources and labor?
            When did the west build roads and railways unless it helped to rob the raw material of africa?
            Where did they build dams to electrify the continent and we don’t know? They left Africa backward and unchanged for centuries so that the west can call it the dark continent, while China built hydroelectric dams.
            Asmara was not built for the indegenous eritrean. On the contrary it was built by eritrean resources and free labor for the whiteman, and you call this eritreans are proud of as if Italy gave them asmara. It is the product of their own labour and resources, even if the colonizers put their mind into it. The factories were to exploit Eritrean resources and labor, and they were not meant to improve the standard of living of eritreans, but to facilitate the luxurious life style of Italians in somebody else’s country.
            Tens of millions of africans were taken as slaves to the new world for slave labor, they were treated in the most inhuman way and yet the slave dungeons in West Africa cannot be called the few good things the west left behind for africans.
            African sui still plundered, even today.
            About $150 bn looted every year by western corporates, while africans could not afford electricity, schools, hospitals, etc..
            While china is providing trade, investment, loans and infrastructure, and since the Chinese came to Africa, the continent has changed. China’s trade with africa is almost $200bn a year, and africa today is the continent with countries that show the highest growth rate,
            It is a hopeful continenent and not a continent that needs some pittance from the money the west got through exploitation.
            Does china understand african countries more than the west? China was itself under western imperialistic exploitation. Therefore, africans do not want continuation of the status quo, continuation of exploitation by Western countries for the sake of the pittance they might throw their way. China respects africans countries. Nevertheless, business is business. They are in Africa for their own interest as well. Nevertheless, if they give and take as they are doing, there’s is nothing wrong with that. Five hundred years of Western exploitation, and wishing for more, such things cannot be accepted.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            There is no such thing called black race. RACE is not a scientific concept based on DNA, rather it is a cultural one.

            Unlike you, I define my own identity and will not accept a label assigned to me by the ruling elite in the West.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Sultan,

        Unfortunately, like most African governments, the Ethiopian government has become slave to the Chinese. Nobody, with rare exceptions, critcises

        the Chinese who should be held accountable for their disgusting food habits and virus spread.

        The West Africans gave the world HIV and Ebola. The Chinese gave the world 5 viruses in the last 20 years. In all of these case the viruses jumped from animals to humans and mutated.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam simon k
          If u see things outside of ur slave mentality, u would not say ethiopian government has become a slave of Chinese.
          in diplomacy, protecting ur interests and friendly managing international relations don’t make u slave, besides there is no prove that those viruses spread because of Chinese “disgusting”(locusts, beles) food habits.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Teodros,

            Why don’t you jump from the nearest tall bridge?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam simon k
            Why do i jump?, why ur slave mental first stop eating disgusting locusts and after tell Chinese to stop eating ” disgusting” food?

          • Abi

            Hey Simon
            How can a person jump from a tall bridge when he is living in a cave?

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella bet, what a QqQ joke, u think am living in rural adawa or adi grate somthing.

          • Abi

            Hello TA
            “ዝም ባለ አፍ ዝንብ አይገባትም” ስላሉኝ ዝምታን መርጫለሁ:: አንተም ዝዝዝዝዝዝዝዝም በል::
            Buzz off!

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            good one ” tella bet” but unlike u am writing, not talking, so since u r QqQ and to do ur job all u can do is talking all over the social media, that makes u “zembam Q”.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Abi,
            You know, there are caves next to some cliffs and some of them have bridges (poorly made but still) between them.

          • Abi

            Hello MM
            That means somebody can jump from a cliff straight to a cave. Simon has got a point.
            ይህ ግለሰብ ወይ አንገቱን አልያም አለሙን ይቀጫል::

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            This character is a former Abiyot Tebaki.

          • Abi

            Selam Simon
            Exactly!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Teddy:
            U sound knowledgeable in many ways specially and more so about Ethiopian business.
            U have plenty of opportunities to express yourself in more positive and constructive ways .
            I am learning to do so…. but it is difficult to change people’s perception and attitude once they misperceived you otherwise.
            You literally made top notch Ethiopians to run away from the forum.
            Look at how u r dealing with Dr Horizon, a staunch supporter of anything Ethiopian and anything for Ethiopia’s interest!

            Your language against Prof Amanuel Hidrat and Dr Paulos even with Prof Emeritus Abinet, the left-over WPE Executive Officer, is but an uncalled for.
            I gave up on when u chased and insulted the Jewel Amde.
            Please, be so kind not to insult me as am just expressing my naive constructive opinion.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam sultan mg
            1, those people that u mentioned above, abi tella bet, horizon the Q dog , sultan the not so sultan, amde thier boss and other hired dogs r here to lie, insult, twist, confused and so on.
            2, trust me, if ethiopia will disintegrate, it will be because of the people like Q horizon, tella Q abi and the media at large.
            3, aman is nothing but a victim of the media, he has big problems like age, his miserable experience and his lack of common sense, so there is no way out for him but the good thing is, he is almost 70.

          • Abi

            Hello Nefse
            You are really a changed person since you come back from rehab.
            ያሳየኸው ለውጥ የስም ብቻ አይደለም :: የባህሪም ለውጥ አስተውያለሁ::
            Thanks for defending your cousins.

  • Kaddis

    Greetings from the confused Addisaba.

    Hope you and your loved ones are safe – please take care – the world, specialty the wealthy decision makers, are living their crappy decisions of voting for just talking head populists with no public service convictions nor investment. I worry ours will be devastating although its giving us time while we are wasting it.

    Although a bit late but just want to reflect on the statement above ‘Sudan is the only one loyal to Ethiopia …’

    From my view – Sudan is not being loyal to Ethiopia – Sudan is just trying to practice what they have been advising Ethiopia (Abiy) since he came …avoid being the bellboy of the gulf monarchs. They have been saying Sudan lost its people, land, identity, security, respect etc…for having an unprincipled relation with the gulf states. Sudan is trying not to make the same mistake and willing to pay a high price and that happens to seem aliened with Ethiopian position. African heads of state are making simple statements out of diplomatic gestures and to save face of the African Union. They knew Abiy was following Isiaias advise neglecting the African Union/ Igad, while shuttling to Dubai.

    Ethiopia does not have a position – Abiy is playing some politics to gain some non-existent support from the confused public. Its a done deal. Egypt and the US will get what they want. Abiy will sell the deal through his outsourced PR team to the public and life goes on.
    The problem is Egypt will keep squeezing us until we are broken.
    Stay healthy with cheers,

    • Teodros Alem

      selam confused kaddis
      Starting from the first day 3A came to office, u told us so many times ethiopia is already broken, about to be broken and so on but how many times do u think ethiopia will have to be broken until ethiopia is broken?

      • Kaddis

        Selam Teodros –
        ፀጉራም ውሻ አለ ሲሉት ሞቷል የሚሉት ተረት ሆኖ ነው

        • Teodros Alem

          selam confused kaddis
          Yea, me i know ” yedemet nebes ” cat never die easily.
          I think u r talking about nothing but ur wish?

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Ke-Addis:
      You are entitled to your own opinions about Dr AAA but to your own facts,Sir,which has been consistent since Dr AAA came to power!
      I NEVER heard or read you talking about a SINGLE positive thing out of tons of Dr AAA’s achievements…and about the challenges he has been faced with and he has overcome to this min:

      Just a reminder, since we have exhausted these things repeatedly:

      -Has done his BEST capacity to reconcile the entire nation and the Ethiopian people ahas been trying his BRST to unite the dismantled Nation thru fake Ethnic/Language based Federalism and trying to heal the wounded nation and people besides resolving one of the worst inter-ethnic conflicts( A topic his successful PHD Thesis)in Africa!

      -He literally saved Ethiopia from being broken apart and from collapsing over night( kept intact for 2 yrs now)

      -He released hundreds of thousands from jail

      -He bravely unlocked a dead-locked impasse and stroke the most SUCCESSFUL peace deal in Africa thru a single statement with Eritrea after TWENT YEARS of deadly NO WAR NO PEACE status

      -He BOLDLY declared a Genuine National and Regional Reconciliation

      -He brokered a deal with the Saudi King to release Ethio-Saudi Billionaire and brought him back to work and to rebuild the Ethiopian Economy

      -Declared economic freedom and invited all Ethiopians from inside and outside to invest FREELY and “unlimitedly”/ without limit
      -Secured a life-saving economic / financial package from the Arabs($3billion),the EU ($350 million)and the USA( $5 billion pending)

      -He has remained DETERMINED and kept going on in completing the GERD PROJECT despite all obstacles, bullying, intimidations, sabotages and threats
      Etc…..
      Hence, he got crowned with the rare Noble PEACE Prize !

      The reasons behind his real,apparent and misperceived “ failures”:

      You know the details since you are the eyewitness account but you have hesitated to tell the truth !

      Here are some of the FACTS you and his other enemies don’t want to know and REFUSE to admit:

      Nonstop DELIBERATE and dangerous :

      -Sabotages of all kinds through all kinds of Media

      -Toxic , Destructive and Defamatory Campaign against him and his bold Peace, Political, Economic and Diplomatic Initiatives including through Assassination Attempts …

      -Direct interference in blocking the ongoing National and Regional Reconciliation campaign
      Etc…,

      His only technical mistakes:

      -For being too naive and too kind

      -Hectic measures on the Reconciliation process including the release of prisoners

      -His hectic and less sensitive MEDDEMER Approach

      -Lack of placing STRONG INSTITUTIONS before the above noble causes and measures were executed

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam sultan mg
        I think he is trying to confused and comfort the likes of aman h, he is assigned like …

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Hi Sultan M.G.
        And you still telling us you are Eritrean?
        What did Eritrea get out of the so called peace agreement?
        I am not so sure what kind of glass you are wearing.

        • Abi

          Hello MM
          I’m not sure what kind of glasses Sultan is wearing. All I can say is his sight is 20/20 today. I hope he will keep it up.
          Go cousin!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Abi,
            The unit must definitely be in inch or smaller, when you say 20/20.

          • Abi

            Hello MM
            I really don’t know the unit of measurement. All I know is 20/20 is perfect when it comes to eye sight.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Abi,
            Unless it is in feet, it can’t be perfect vision.
            Saying just 20/20 is for lazies or the unaware population.

          • Abi

            Hello MM
            You already know yours truly is the laziest creature ever attended Awate university.
            So what is the unit?

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ምሃንድሻ፡

            መቸም ሓጥያት ክትጸልእ ንስኻ
            ስግኡ ዘይኮነ መንፈሱ ዝፈቱ ዘየለ ከማኻ
            መጽሓፍ.ቅ ምስ ተላዕለ ህልም ቢልካ ጠፋእኻ

            ፍርህዋ ለሞት፡ እንድዒ ንሓጥያት
            እዩ ሎም-ዘመን፡ ብቫይረስ ምኽንያት

            ሓንቲ ንጣሮ ሓሳብ እኳ መታን ካይተእቱ
            ኣብ ማይ ዝኣተወት ኣንጭዋ፧ ብሓደ ኣፊቱ፧

            ኣነ ድኣ ዘይ-እንድኣለይ ኣብ ኩሉ ማእራሪ
            ከምዚ ዘይመሰለኒ መላእኽቲ መባህረሪ!

            ንዓ ድኣ ግጠም ብገለ እሰሮ ዚ’ኣፍና
            ብጽምዋ ዕላል ናብ ላዕሊ ካይዘለልና
            ትማሊ ኣብኡ ወዒልና ሓዲርና
            ንዓ ገላግለና ሕጂስ ይኣኽለና

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሃይላት
            ኣለና
            Social distance ስለዝበሉና
            ዋላ ከይንጽሕፍ ፈሪሕና
            ኣታ ሰብኣይ ምስ ኣምላኽ ‘ባ ከይተባእሰና

            ገነት ክኣቱ ኣዝየ ይምነ
            ክመውት ግን ኣይደልን ኣነ
            ግን መቸም ከምዝኾነ
            ጠባይ ጌረ ይጸንሕ ቦታ ከይተሳእነ

            ዳሕራይ ኣይደልን ክስሕና
            ሕጂ ኳ ብ ኮረና
            ዝረዓድና
            ደሓር ደኣ ከመይ ‘ዩ
            ኣብ ዓዲ ኩላትና?
            ——–ግደፍ ግደፍ
            ——–ኣይትግበሮ ስራሕ ናይ ህግደፍ
            ‘ታ ገነትና
            ትሕሸና!

          • Haile S.

            መሃንድሻ፡

            ሓቅኻ፡
            እስኪ እንተኽኢሉኒ ከሕልፍ ክልተ ሰለስተ መዓልቲ
            ክሓድር ካይረበሽክዎ ዋላ እንኮ ለይቲ
            ከድህብ ናብዚ ኣቲናዮ ዘለና ዓዘቕቲ

            ኣኽሊሉ ዶ ክንብሎ ንኮረና?
            ካንወጾ ዝግባእ ብኢድ ተደጋጊፍና
            ላላ ላላ ምትንኻፍ ግደፉ እንሆ ይብሉና
            ምድግጋፍ ኮይኑ ተረሓሒቕና
            ክልተ ሜትሮ ባዶ ቦታ ኣብ መንጎና
            ብሓሳብ ግና ተኣሳሲርና ተሓቛቚፍና
            ክንሓልፎ ኢና ኣጆኻ ኣጆና

            Social distancing, Saleh ቀደም ተረዲእዎ
            ማዕዶ ንማዕዶ ኣቐሚጡ የታዓልለና ብዓንተቦ
            ካብ ሃገር ርሒቕና፡ ካብ ኣዴና፡ ካብ ዓደቦ

            ኮሮና’የ ኮረና ኮረና
            ኣብትኸድዮ የለን፡ ኣብ እግርኺ’ለና
            ንሕጂ ብስጋ እንተረሓሓቅና
            ብሓሳብ ግና ኣብ ርእስኺ’ለና
            ብጻዕሪ እውን ኣብ ኣኽሊልኪ’ለና

            ብመድሃኒት ኮነ ብምኽታብ
            ክንቀልዖ ኢና ጽባሕ ናትኪ ጉልባብ

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Amanuel Hidrat AND Horizon,

    This is a response to questions from A.H and Horizon few days ago on this thread.
    I hope my response will not be a misplaced point in otherwise different discussion. I am just responding what I understood the questions to be.

    This is my opinion based on reading and watching speeches over the years on this forum and others.
    When Meles and Isaias Afeworki marched in with their tanks in to Addis in the early 90s, the behavior and actions of Meles including insults was a realty.
    There was a lot of things said and done including atrocities committed against people (who have done nothing but lived in abject poverty and misery) solely because of their ethnicity. That is hard to forgive for most people and I never want to be harsh on them. I didn’t walk in their shoes or know what they know.

    But, but for the most part I look at Meles after he grew in to his position after 1998. He guided Ethiopia through land mines and set up a system that is still being used. It is slowly changing but just the same.
    He promised 3 square meals a day and worked towards that goal. He managed to convince most Ethiopians to follow him and they did. He was extraordinarily bright and visionary leader to have a seat at all the important international forums. Believe me it was not an affirmative action invitation. Leaders of other countries and organizations sought his participation. I was proud of him.
    Most normal average Ethiopians from Gondar to Harrar and Jimma wept as if they lost a family member when died. It is for good reason they felt the loss.
    I hope no one says it is like N. Korea and the people were imposed on to weep. If somebody says that I lose him or her for the discussion.

    Was there corruption in his government, was there excess in some areas of security and law enforcement ? I am sure there were. With all that he left Ethiopia in a better shape than he found it. For that I say God bless his soul.

    Dr, Abiy Ahmed is the new visionary leader Ethiopia has produced.
    I watched the video Horizon recommended and my existing view was augmented. He is not the normal African head of state. I had my concern of his approach if it ever could or would work. One of the determinant factor in his effort, in my opinion, is the people around him. From security to economics and foreign policy the individuals executing the work will make the difference.
    I hope he has selected intelligent, supportive, knowledgeable and honest patriots to help him and his vision. Therefore we still have to wait for results (like the Dam) to canonize or God forbid blame him. At the moment I am very supportive. We have an old difficult country and people to coral in to a peaceful and prosperous nation. Work in progress.

    Mr. K.H

  • Abi

    Hello Hawna Berhe
    Please find Semre Andom and tell him to report to the school attendance office ASAP .

    All Addicts
    Please contact fellow addicts if you happen to know their contact information.
    ለምታደርጉት ትብብር አብዮታዊ ምስጋና አቀርባለሁ::

    Ras Abi

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    Can someone from the “heavy weight debaters” assess the politics behind hosting the Egyptian naval forces at Nora (Dahlak island) of our despot while he is hosting the Ethiopian naval forces at the Eritrean ports? Any idea what an Eritrean state could harvest from hosting these antagonist countries in the Eritrean territories? What will be the impact of these development to the so called “peace agreement” between Issayas and and Abiy? Can the Ethiopian elites somehow learn that Issayas is always untrustworthy partner in any peace agreement or any kind treaty/agreement for that matter? God forbid if a war broke out over GERD between Ethiopia and Egypt, what will be the impact for us Eritreans on being part of the war in our territory?

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Amanuel
      Ato Saleh is the right Professor to handle this kind of question. How about if you call him to show up for class . As you can see he has missed several classes. Is Awate university online now just like other universities?

    • sara

      selamat ato Amanuel,
      I know i am am not “heavy weight debaters” but i think i can say one two things as an eritrean who lives near home and visits from time to time…..
      this thing… eritrea hosting… Israel (Jewish state) and Iran in this island of eritrea is a bogos line to that is brought by some to tarnish the image of eritreans in the region,
      while we steadfastly support or…at-least sympathize with most arab world issues.
      the worst is this thing is perpetuated by the x- regime in Addis to create dissent within eritrea and beyond. this days more is said about eritrea role is the region and those
      who bring those type of information are those who lost big time in the regional poletical games.
      so, there is no Egyptian forces in eritrea or even nearby…its all a hoax for political expend-ency.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Sis Sara,

        If this link will help you to reconsider the issue in your thought process, I am providing to you and to some doubters and dismiss what this evil man can do to stay in power.

        http://dehai.org/dehai/dehai-news/357241

        • sara

          selamat Ato Amanuel,
          . with what is going on in the world i will never say never … it might happen… only time will tell.
          i have seen this through another link… yesterday… and i didn’t expect
          it will pop up at that website still trying to stay relevant with the times
          and changes in the media .
          its OK to bring it to the fore in view of the GERD thing between egypt and ethiopia… but to go that far and imply eritrea is aligning with egypt in the current situation based on not know writer is something
          that will not help the country… regardless of how much we dont agree with DIA.
          with respect… and i assure you i will not say more on this.

        • Teodros Alem

          selam aman h
          6 things
          1, u r so addicted to rumours, gossip and fake news like u don’t have anything to do except searching for rumours 24/7.
          2, in diplomacy, there is no such thing called ” trustworthy” , it is all about protecting ur national interest.
          3, once a slave is always a slave.
          4, Sudanese people started contributing money to finance gerd.
          5, it is no new thing that eritrea is always on the side of egypt. If u change position, that makes u “untrustworthy”. So keep ur Alliance where it was.
          6, ethiopia Navy in eritrea is ur lie.

        • Sultan M.G.

          Selam Prof Aman
          Again, the substance or the essence of the matter is NOT about links, sources and references but WHO reports them, how they are reported and as to why!

          Just to give a hint:
          -The TPLF was hiring not only the Mercenary Pseudo-Eritreans Opposition Groups and Leaders but top notch Arab Scholars ,Authors and Media from Cairo and Aljazeera as well as (from) some famous and powerful Western Media outlets like the BBC and The NY Times as well as the Washington Post .

          We know what the role of the SELL OUT Martin Plaut has been on and has done to Eritrea during PMMZ era and as we speak.

          But Aman et all do NOT care about the devastating impacts of such fake news, hoax and defamatory campaign against Eritrea and Eritreans as long as it will help in “ weeding out” the PFDJ, the classic modus operandi of the so called “Eri off-position”!

          Here is the IRONY and the HYPOCRISY:

          Some or most of the so called Eri Opposition Groups and Leaders as well the Activists have been no where to be spotted when the serious external enemies of Eritrea , were doing their best to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans!
          As a matter of fact, some or most of them, apparently, were covertly and overtly executing the evil and destructive agenda of the same bloody enemies of Eritrea and Eritreans in the name of WEEDING OUT the PFDJ!

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Prof Aman Hidrat:
      Being a Seasoned Politician and Political Analyst yourself, unless your intention is/was to mislead and confuse the naive,how in the world could you buy these repeated fake reports and HOAX that the GoE/ Eritrea can or could have hosted overnight the Egyptian and Ethiopian Navies, while fully knowing that Ethiopia is still struggling to build its Navy in Djibouti ?????

      Please,let us NOT insult the Intelligence and have some basic respect and decency !

      You sound like Mr.Ishak Beshir of the old Eritrean Federalist Movement ,when he “broke” the news that the GoE was training and hosting the Houthis in GhindaE area and that the GoE was hosting an Iranian Naval Base in Aseb as well as an Israeli Base in Dahlak!!!
      Don’t u feel a minimum remote or SHANE when you publicly bring up those kind of fake new to the Renowned Awate University?

      Well, you could be correct but,hey, it is only fair to be fair and reasonable at times….to confidently report these unconfirmed and unsubstantiated reports and ask the “ Heavy Weight Debaters” to analyze such fake news.

      • Abi

        Hello Sultan
        When Ato Amanuel invited the “Heavy Weight Debaters” you jumped in thinking he was referring weight.
        Big mistake.

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hi:
    Do not listen to MM / AHani or to Gurregnaw Akaki Zeraf Weslataw Ab, the Sadist,who wishes Eritrea and Eritreans the WORST and to be wiped out from Earth.
    Spread the word.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/cdcgov

    • Sultan M.G.

      Mod:
      Please,either delete my entire comment or post the CDC updates on the corona virus.
      If u allow the junky TPLF Parade on weekdays,I wonder why you wouldn’t the life-saving CDC updates!
      Shame on U.
      Please,STOP discriminating,abusing and sabotaging innocent forum members.

    • Abi

      Hello Sultan
      አምታታው አበደ ህመሙ ተነሳበት
      እንዳትበላሹ አዋተዎች ዞር በሉለት
      እዩት ፀጉሩን ሲነጭ ሲነሳና ሲፈርጥ
      እንደ ጠገበ አለሌ ፈሱን ሲያንዛርጥ
      እንደ አበደ ውሻ ሁሉንም ሲለክፍ
      እሁሉም ራሥ ላይ መርዙን ሲያርከፈክፍ
      አሁንም መልሱት ይሂድ ከመጣበት
      ቴስታ ከቡኛ ሳልለማመድበት

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ዛራ-ፍልጠት

    ምሁር
    ብዘይ መትከል ዝነብር
    ‘ተዄኑ
    ከመይ ኢሉ ልቢ ሰባት ክስዕር?

    ምሁር
    ሓቅነት ‘ተጉዲሉ
    ባቃ! ሰንኪሉ

    ምሁር
    ‘ታ ገዝ ኡ
    ብዝሒ ባጀላ
    በብዓይነቱ ባድላ
    ልቦና ዝጎደላ
    ተዄና
    መዓስ የምሕረላ

    ምሁር
    ዝተባህሎ ዝገብር
    ‘ተዄኑ
    ‘ንታይ መፍለዪ ኣለዎ ካብ ኣብዑር?

    ምሁር
    ውሑድ ዝዛረብ ዝያዳ ዝሰምዕ
    ንሱ ከቢሩ ሃገሩ የልምዕ
    ድኽነት የጥፍእ
    ቃንዝኡ ብውሽጡ ሕብእ
    ዘብል ብደጊኡ ግን
    ——ፍልጠት
    ——ሕውነት
    ——ተጻዋርነት
    ናብ ህዝቡ ይዘርእ
    ንጸላእቱ ሃደበታዊ መርድእ
    ካላስ!

    • Haile S.

      ሰላም መሃንድሻ፡

      እዛ ግጥምኻ ክቕጽላ ኣፍቅደለይ።

      ምሁር
      ዝኽእል ሽግር
      ዘይኾነ ምሑር
      ዘይኮነ ሓሽከር
      ዘይመሮ መሪር
      ናይ ህዝቢ ኣጋር
      ዝሰድድ ሰራውር
      ናይ ሓቂ ምስክር
      ንሰነፍ መኾስተር
      ፍልጠት መምህር
      ዘይፈርህ መቓብር
      ዘየማሙቕ መንበር
      ኣብ ዘድሊ ዘዕገርግር
      ናይ ሓሳብ መንኮርኮር
      ግንባሩ ዝተሓርሰ ብዕጣር
      ዘየድልዮ ጽድቂ መንፈርፈር
      ዘለዎ ኣብ ልዕሊ ኣዒንቱ መነጽር
      ሓቂ ተዛሪቡ ዝድቅስ ኣብ መገዲ ባቡር
      ዘይለዋወጥ ከም ኩነታት ቡሎቲካዊ ኣየር

      • Hashela

        ኣገናዕ ዝሓወይ
        ትሓጉሻ ልበይ

        ምቅላል ምሁራት
        ኮይኑ ከምዒልታዊ ወፍሪ ግራት
        ክትከውን እዛ ዓዲ ደንበ ዕዉራት

        ምንሻው ክዋንቱም (quantum):
        መርኣያ ድሕረቶም
        ዕምቖት ኣልቦ ፍልጠቶም
        ሞግልሒ ናይ አእምሮ ድኽነቶም

        • Haile S.

          ሰላም ምሃንድሻ፡

          ኣጌናዕ ካብ ዘይሰምዕ መዋእል ኮይኑኒ
          በዓል ላዕላይ ገዛ፡ ሞሳዝጊ ዘርኢሰናይ ኣዘኪርካኒ

          ወደይ-ሃብሮም ካብ ዘይሰምዕ መዋእል ኮይኑኒ
          ወደ’ያ ዓንዳት ገረሃርያት በዓል ኣፍደዩ ኣዘኪርካኒ

          ብራቦ ብራዎ ተረፍ ጣልያን፡ ኣነሲ ነይተቓደወኒ
          Good-job እሞ መሊሱ እዩ ዘንቃዕርረኒ

          ኤክሰላ-ሞን-ኣሚ፡ ብፈረንሳ እውን ኣኺሉ ተሪፉኒ
          Excellent my brother ተርጉሞ’ምበር፡ ዒቕ’ዩ ኢሉኒ

          ከም ኣጌናዕ፡ ሓወይ ሃብሮም፡ መን’ዩ ጠሰስ ክብለኒ?

          • Hashela

            Haile and Amanuel

            I believe, the closest none-literal translation of
            ኣገናዕ is ‘high five’.
            ትዓወት is ‘good job’

            Have your say.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Doctore,

            You have them. Agree.

          • Haile S.

            Hashela,
            I think they are interchangeable.

            ነዚ ኣብ ታሕቲ ንኤማ ዝምልከት ኣድንቖ ዝበልካዮ ዝምልከት፣
            መምህር ሕድሮም ዝብሃሉ መምህር ኣብ ኣስመራ እፈልጥ ነይረ። ምኽሪ መን መኺሩ! እዩ ምስኦም። ዕላሎም ምኽርን ሓደራን ጥራይ ኢዩ ነይሩ። ምኽሪ ዘብዝሕ ሰብ፡ ከም መምህር ሕድሮም ንብሎ ኔርና። ኤማ’ውን ከምኦም ኮይኑ እዩ ዝርኣየኒ። ብሕማቕ ኣይኮንኩን።
            ሓቂ ይሓይሽ፡ ኤማ ኣብ ናእዳ፡ ብጣዕሚ ለጋስ እዩ። ኣብ ወቐሳ እውን ኣይሓምቕን!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hailat,
            If you ask me to tell you who Prof Emma is in just one sentence, I would say “A Man of Principle!”

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dr Hashela,

          እዘን ቃላትካ ምጡናትን ምቁራትን: ፈትየየን::

          • Hashela

            Selam Amauel

            coming from you, the most serious and critical teacher, this means a lot:)

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          ምቅላል ፈሊና ንርኣዮ ካብ ምንቃፍ
          ንዕፉንዶ ትብሎ ኢኻ ጣፍ?

          ምሁር ምሁር ከብሎ ዝኽእል
          ቅኑዕ ካብ ጌጋ ፈልዩ ምስ ዝስእል
          ታሪኽ ናይ ውርዙያት ምስ ዘዕልል
          ይሕሰብ ብደምበ ቦታቱ ቅቡል
          ክንደይ ግዲ ‘ያ ፒኤችዲ ኣለኒ ትብል?

          ን ኣብነት ዝኾነ ምሁር በሃሊ
          ——-ኳንተም ኮነ ስትሪንግ ትዮሪ ውሒጥካ
          ——-ዘረባ ጓሳ ሃእ ተበልካ
          ——-በዓል ድሩት ፍልጠት ዶይኮነን ዘምስለካ
          ‘ተበልናስ ነነጽሮ ‘ኳ ‘ና ዘለና ናቱ ስእሊ

          ስለዚ
          ኣይትንቀፉና ኣይንበል
          ዓይኒ ‘ንዳረኣየት ንታይ ትበል
          ሸለል???

          ናባይ ንመለስ
          ታግጥመይ ኣንባብ
          ቀንጥጦ ዝኽልክለካ ዘሎ ዓለባ

          ምሁር ኣብ ክልተ ተመቒሉ
          ‘ትሓደ ክምካሕ ትሓደ ግን
          ፍልጠቱ ብግቡእ ጥቀመሉ
          ስራሕና ክንገብር ሕጂ
          ደሓን ውዓሉ
          ከይኮነና ስራሕ ዓዋሉ

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ምሃንድሻ ምስ ሓሸላ፡

            ኣብ ዓላማ ሓደ፡ ፍልልይና’ዩ ኣብ ዘረባ
            እንታይ ክንገብር በዚሑ ዛዕባ ወዲ ዛዕባ

            ቃላትና ነዝሕል ብዝተኻእለ
            ሸለል ክንብሎ ንፈትን እቲ ዝዘለለ
            እዚ ናይ ግጥሚ ፍልልይና እዩ ዝቐለለ

            እወ! ምሁር ተመቒሉ ከም ተዋህዶ ኣመንቲ
            ሓደ ክጥምት ንላዕሊ ቲ’ሓደ ይጽሊ ንታሕቲ

            እንተ ንጥምት ንቕድሚት ኩላትና
            ኣብ COVID-19 እኳ ምስ ተራኸብና

            T/C ተጸዊዑ ቀዳም፡ ግና ተባሂሉ ናይ ደገፍቲ
            ኣብ ኣሰና እውን ርእየ ጻውዒት፡ ዝመስል ናይ ተቓወምቲ
            ኣብ ዘዘለናዮ ሃገር ንሕና እንተንኸውን’ሲ ሓለፍቲ
            COVID-19 ምስ ጠጠዐ ነይሩ ኣብ ሓንቲ ለይቲ

            ተቓዋሚ ኣይደሊ፡ ደጋፊ ክረክብ ብሕማም ጥዕና
            ደጋፊ ኣይደሊ፡ ክቃላዕ ብሕማም ምስኣኑ ጥዕና

          • Hashela

            Selam Mehandis

            I just saw your input. I need a bit time respond adquately and thoughtfully. It is an unusal final exam time. So I will come back to you.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ሃይላት
        ሓውኻ ሓሸላ ኣይመስለንን
        ተርደኦ እተን ቃላት

        ናትካ ግጥሚ ክኸውን ኣለዎ
        እቲ ናተይ ግን
        ካብ ዘይኮነ ‘ንታይ ትብልዎ

        ንዝኸበረ ምሁር
        ነኽብር
        ተዘይኴኑ ግን ምስ ፍልጠቱ ዕውር
        ይቑጸር
        ይብለካ

      • Abi

        Hello ጋሽዬ
        Now I can definitely distinguish a Christmas tree 🎄 designed by a self confessed atheist.

        • Saleh Johar

          Abi!
          So you are destined to that crowded place called Hell? Be careful before you drive too far, after a few miles there is no U-Turn in that highway. Nitricc started long ago but I heard his car broke down just after he passed the U-Turn. If you see anyone hitchhiking, it is him 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Delighted to see you back. Kind of worried a little bit. I asked Ato Amanuel to give you a call. Unfortunately, he didn’t understand my language. Speaking of hell I read a short poem long time ago I need to share with you.
            መች ሄጄ ባየሁት ሲኦልን ወርጄ
            ምነው በዳሰስኩት ገሃነምን በጄ
            እንዳወዳድረው ከኛ ኑሮ ጋራ
            የሚሻል እንደሆን የልቤን ልሰራ
            የሚብስም እንደሁ በጊዜ’ንድፈራ

            Since you have been resting for a while you are excused for now.
            You know the self declared atheist in your house. It not yours truly.
            Look at the half Christmas tree looking poem by Haile just above my comment. Now you know. If you don’t get it I’m here to help as usual.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ዘላለማዊ ስቃይ እና ዘላለማዊ ደስታ ፍላጎቱ
            እኔ ኣይገባኝም የት እንደሆን ልዩነቱ
            የገሃነሙ ሰቀቀን እሳት በውጭ ኣካላት
            የመንግስተ ሰማዩ ስቃይ በጭንቅላት (endless fatigue)

            ኑሮ መኖር ኣይደል፡ ካልተለዩ ካልሞቱ
            ያለ ሞት ሊጥም ኣይችልም ዘላለማዊነቱ

            ኣዳም እና ሄዋን እንዲተዋወቁ እንዲያውቁ መኖራቸው
            ይባላል እግዚኦ ወደ ሞት ወደ ዓለም ኣባረራቸው

            ስለዚህ መንግስተ ሰማይ መሄድ ከመረጣችሁ
            በፍጹም ኣታውቁም በህይወት መኖራችሁ

            I like a lot the poem BTW.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ኧረ ባታምንበትም በስመአብ በል::
            ” እኣዳም እና ሄዋን እንዲተዋወቁ እንዲያውቁ መኖራቸው”
            OMG!! OMG!!
            Brilliant!!!!
            Please don’t tell me you have not checked a Bible to come up with this line.
            This is how the Bible describes Adam and Eve did the deed.
            “አዳምም ሚስቱን አወቀ”

            Only a genius figure out what you are saying 😳😳😳

            Glad you liked the poem. I like it very much. Very powerful!!
            This is why I like poems. You don’t need to write the whole page to say something powerful.

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            በስመኣብ ብዛት ኣይደል እዚህ ያደረስኝ
            ከሕጻንነቲ ጀምሮ መጻፈ-ቁልቁሉ* ያጎረሰኝ

            *መጽሓፍ ቅዱስ በኦሮምኛ

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            እታም ጅርቱ ኦቦ ኃይለ ጅንኑ
            አኒ ኢንጀባዳ ኡማ ኢንጀኑ

            “አጏጉል ፀሎት ለቅፅፈት” እንዲሉ አበው
            ያንተ በስመአብ ተንኮል አለው

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            I wish I was speaking Oromgna. The እንጂሩ rings a lot.

            Abi, BTW, I have already seen Paradise. Let me tell you a personal story that happened to me as freshman at AAU. My slide to atheism had already started at highschool thanks to my favorite teacher Gabriel of history & marxism-leninsm (not my favorite subject). Arriving at Sdst-kilo (dormitory was excessively full at Arat-kilo), like every freshman at that time, I was given a matress and a pillow and assigned to a room that was already occupied by 4 beds and 4 people. We were 2 additionals to sleep on the floor in that room. I was terrorized to go knock at the door because I didn’t know what to expect. At that time some students were not well received, even kicked out to sleep in the corridors or exiled to ‘Siberia’ with friends where there were big pre-fabs with no subdivision inside. There were so many fights. Anyway, I knock at the door, and a guy opens and tells me to come in, but to put my stuff in the corner and keep quite, because they were praying! I had my double shot of shock. That was my first time to suddenly debark in prayfull Pentecostal-land. Second I was pleasantly surprised and happy to be received at paradise while some of my colleagues from Asmara were received at least with contempt. The next-day when I told my highschool colleagues that I landed in bible-land, everyone was asking me for exchange, that I vividly refused. My new dormitory colleagues although not showing it (they later admitted) had their first bing bang shock to come face to face and to receive a ወንበዴ in their room from ወንበዴ-land who doesn’t speak well the language of the land and who doesn’t want to hear anything about the መጻፈ-ቁልቁሉ (that is when I new the word). One of them was very funny and later said he was afraid I might wake up at night and beat them. My freshman addition (Samuel) was also a Pente like them from ማሃል ኣገር.
            In summary, here you have a great example of “Satan” getting welcomed in “Paradise”. All of them were ideal colleagues that I gradually came to discover to being formidable people. I was the luckiest of all. Believe me it was not easy for everyone with the war getting intensified in Eritrea at that time. Later in the year when students were kicked out of the university, for failure, two of them moved to another room, and I was able to get a bed.

          • Abi

            Hello ጋሽዬ
            It is a great story.
            You know why that place called Siberia? Because it was far and the building was extremely called. The other major disadvantage of Siberia was its distance from በግ ተራ. Later it changed to offices with partitions.
            I knew a lot of paradise dormitories. Most of these students were from ደቡብ with names like ማርቆስ ዮሃንስ ማቴዎስ ዻውሎስ ዺላጦስ ( ኃይለ) … You have to ask their fathers’ name to figure out where they came from. Now that is paradox in paradise.

            I had many ወንበዴ friends. Some took time to assimilate into the new environment. It took them a while to figure out that የመሃል አገር ሰው doesn’t eat people. Some were pleasantly surprised that we hated derg as much as they did. In most cases ,we avoided talking politics . ጆሮ ጠቢው ብዙ ነበር::
            Dr Abeba Gidey was my favorite Professor.

            በግ ተራ = girl’s’ dormitory
            Honored to call you ጋሽዬ

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            The appreciation is mutual.

            የናንተ በጎች ርቀውን
            የኛ ፍየሎች በርትተዉን
            ይመስል ነበር ኑሯችን ጾመ ሁዳዴ
            መማረክ ኣልቻልም ብንሆንም ወንበዴ

            Some of the profs I remember are Mortimer our english teacher who doesn’t give an A to an Ethiopian, and our Russian prof of chemistry or organic chemistry who cannot spell one single correct english sentence. He had to right on the board what he teaches.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            መማረክ በፍቅር መሆኑን ማን በነገረህ?

            እኔማ በግ ተራ ተመላልሼ
            በጉልበቴ ተንበርክኬ አልቅሼ
            እመቤቴ ብዬ አለሳልሼ
            ሞትኩልሽ ብዬ ተቅለስልሼ
            ልቧን አቀለጥኩት ኩራብኝ ጋሼ

            አንተማ ፍየል ተራ ወርደህ
            መማረክ በጦርነት መስሎህ
            ስትንከረፈፍ አራት ኪሎ
            በኪስህ ቋጥረህ ዳቦቆሎ
            አመለጡህ ቆንጆዎቹ ተማረኩ በብልጦቹ
            ልሙትልሽ እንጂ ልግደልልሽ አያውቁ በጎቹ

            ይሄውልህ ከስድስት ኪሎ በጌ ጋር ኑሮን እገፋለሁ::

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ኣይ! አረ ‘ድያ! መልክ የለው ወንድ ሲያለቅ
            እሳት ሲሸት ነው እንጂ በደረቱ ሲያስለቅስ

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            በእጅ እስኪገቡ እስኪንበረከኩ
            ዙርያውን ስንቃኝ በሌላ እንድይነኩ
            ቀን በቀትር ማታ በጨረቃ
            ነቅቼ ስጠብቅ እንዳትሄድ ርቃ
            ተንከረፈፍኩልህ ተሸነፍኩ በቃ
            ውሸት ምን ያደርጋል ትመስክር ጨረቃ
            ጨርቄን አስጣለችኝ ያዲሳባይቱ ትውልደ አስመራ
            በግዛቷ ስር ነኝ ህይወቴን ስመራ
            ሁሉን ቀምሰነዋል ማሩን ከመራራ
            አንተ ግን
            እሳት እሳት ስትሸት ስትቆጣ ስትገነፍል
            በጏን ትተህ ወደቅህ ከቀንዳሟ ፍየል
            እኔ ግን
            ስቀርብ ተለሳልሼ ሳፈቅር አስለቅሼ
            ሳባብል አፍዝዤ ሳውቅ አደንዝዤ
            ኤድያልኝ ኤድያ ማን እንደ አቢ
            ካራት ኪሎ እስከ ዋናው ግቢ
            አንተማ
            እቧይ!!!

          • Haile S.

            ኣቢ፡

            ኣሁንስ ይብቃኝ ወሬው ይቅርብኝ
            የበጎቹ ምስጢር እንዳያመልጠኝ
            ውድዋ ፍየል እንዳትሄድ ትታኝ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ras Abi,

            What did you study at AAU? You sound you did on Amharic literature. Your Amharic something እንተ ዱረየ

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            I was in social science faculty. I didn’t study Amharic. You are right I was ዱርዬ in a good way.
            ቋንቋው ብቻ ሳይሆን እኔም ለፍቅር ነው የተፈጠርኩት ( ስቀልድ ነው)::
            I have worked both at IDR ( institute of developmental research) and IER ( institute of educational research).
            This is why I’m an advocate of vocational education.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I am glad that our inquisitive Amanuel squeezed some personal info out of you. Now, I understand your genuine interest in my discussion with the pharmacologist from AAU.

          • Abi

            Hello Hashela
            Was he Dr Haile G/ Kidan? He was a professor at AAU before he went to Asmara.

          • Hashela

            Hello Abi
            No, the one I spoke with was from ?Bahr Dar, I guess. I met him in Germany.

          • Abi

            Got it.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Doctore,

            If he is an Eritrean from Bahir Dar, I might know him. Who knows.

          • Hashela

            Hi Amanue
            He was an Amhara.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Since this is your area of expertise, perhaps you know it already or you may find it interesting to consider.

            I was speaking with a friend who is in high tech and the discussion was about retaining highly talented people in the country rather than going to the US (which seems where everyone wants to go).

            He gave me the German example, and how it works really well for them. It goes.

            On the Higher Education
            1) Education is free, all the way to PhD or what ever. As long as after graduation you remain in Germany and work there, it is still free. But as soon you wanted to go study abroad or work in another country, the government comes after you and ask you to pay back “the free education cost”. Because as far as the government is concerned, they “invested on your education” so you have to pay how much they spend.

            2) For example, if you are paid 100K a year in Germany and another company from the US offers you, 200K, the company you work for must match that amount otherwise you have the right to leave without paying “back the tuition fee”. I think this sounds a good way to control the “outflow” of educated people from countries in Africa.

            Vocational Education:
            I think in Germany, the start at grade 5 if not mistaken, to identity students where and what field they must study. There is the university / academic class, the community collage, and just high school diploma. This may be limiting to some late boomers, but for the most part it has worked well for Germany and as a result they are at the top of almost every invention, creation in the world .

            I wonder if such balanced approach is the answer?

            P.S. I reached out to iSem and he is doing fine and I passed on your note.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I’m not sure a poor country like Ethiopia applies the Germany experience. Germany can comfortably provide everything an educated citizen requires to lead a comfortable life.
            I’ve seen university graduates live in a rented room that is way below their status in the society.
            I knew graduate assistants skipping lunch since their salary never enough to get them to the next paycheck. At the same time I knew minibus taxi drivers would have ክትፎ for lunch and dinner everyday. Forget about building a house or buying a family car. Of course the senior professors live relatively much better.(በደህና ዘመን የተፈጠሩት) .
            When I was there everybody was looking for scholarships. Some never come back. Brain drain is a serious problem.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I understand what you are saying, but I think there needs to be a change in our mindset and our attitude and our way of life and thinking.

            What I mean by that is, as long as we think and we believe that, the only our people have a future is by leaving their country then there is nothing we can do to change.

            In the world I think there are less then 10 countries who invent things that most of the world need, the US, Japan, Germany, and few others. The rest just use what others invent and make a living. And today more than ever, all the knowledge, all that technology that made these countries edge is available and for free. I think education is where this kind of things needs to change, at an early age where the young are given the opportunity to think and to dream to become something and to do something.

            I personally think, I think teachers should be well paid and have a decent living standard so they can inspire the next generation to become something else.

            In Eritrea, I think in Ethiopia, it use to be like that. I met my highschool teacher when I visited Eritrea. And in Eritrea (under EPLF) things have changed so much, the teachers can’t make a good living (forget even making a living, most of them are in national service). I remember when I went to the downtown area, to get dollars exchanged with my young brother at the time, he run into his high school teachers (indian teachers) and they were trying to exchange Eritrean Nacfa to US dollars.

            Years later my friend iSem told me, he met this Indian guy who use to be a teacher in Eritrea who immigrated. He told him, if it wasn’t for going to Eritrea he would not be able to immigrate, because he will not be able to save enough to pay for his airfare, application and save enough to support himself the first year he arrives.

            I couldn’t believe it, and how much a teacher (a high school teacher) must be paid to be able to save enough. Well the Eritrean government was paying the teachers 600 (some of in in US and other in Nacfa, I don’t know the breakdown) and including accommodation.

            At the same time the Eritrean teachers were making around 1200 Nacfa (less than 100 dollars at that time), for those who were not in national service. Go figure that out…I know Nictricc is going crazy over this now….

            The bottom line is, these people, I think the liberators, I think the spend so much time in the mountains, I think they lost all their humanity and they turned to think like monkeys and all things human has become their number one enemy.

            I thought Ethiopia was doing much better, at least in education aspect.

            What it would interesting discussion for me is, how can countries like ours are able to create wealth, that is create credit? What I mean by this, I want practical example where, people such as those graduated from University are able to borrow money and start a business if the state is not able to create a job for them.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Everything I said is old stuff. I don’t know much about the current situation. I doubt if it changed much due to the very high living expenses.
            Talking about teachers’ salaries, there is a joint UNESCO/ILO publication that discussed the issue.
            The title is “Status of Teachers”.
            In general Teachers salary is low all over the world. Besides, there are issues like Teachers moral and the Status of teachers in a given society. In countries like ours, where a person’s status is determined by the amount of wealth than his contributions to the greater good, teachers find themselves in the lower part of social strata. Their moral is also low.
            In the article I mentioned above, there is a good example that elaborate the issue.
            It says, when you ask a teacher what he or she is doing for a living, a teacher says “ I’m only a teacher “. Pay attention to the qualifier “ only”. He is ONLY a teacher. If you ask the same question to a doctor, he or she will definitely tell you she is A doctor or a lawyer or an engineer…
            Now you see the relationship between teachers status in the society and their attitude towards the profession.
            Let me end this ሀተታ with a joke. You know me I like a good joke than serious stuff.
            ወይዘሮ አበባ ከውጭ አገር ሲመለሱ የጎረቤታቸው ልጅ መዳሯን ይሰማሉ::
            ወ/ሮ አበባ: አንችዬ ልጅሽን መዳርሽን ሰማሁ እንኳን ደስ አለሽ!
            ጎረቤት: ባምላክሽ ባለፈው ፋሲካ አገባች::
            ወ/ሮ አበባ: እሰይ! እሰይ! ለመሆኑ ምን አገባች?
            ጎረቤት: መምህር
            ወ/ሮ አበባ: ውይ! ወዳው ነው ጠልፏት?

          • Berhe Y

            Thank you Abi. It’s sad but it’s true.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Hope you are doing well without football on weekends.

            Here is an example of well paid and over motivated teachers can create for parents.

            https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/03/20/israeli-moms-rant-about-coronavirus-lockdown-with-kids-goes-viral/amp/

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ras Abi,

            I like the re-invented Ras Abi. Shall we call you post-modernist Ras 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            እሣትን በእሣት ማጥፋት እንደማይቻል ዘግይቶ ነው የገባኝ::
            እሣትን ኡፍፍፍ ቢሉበት ይነዳል:: ቱፍ ቢሉበት ( ቢተፉበት) ይጠፋል ይላሉ አበው::

          • Desbele

            Selam Berhe,
            I was a teacher in Asmara in 2002/2003. In 2002 it was a continuation of my national ‘service’ duty- which already had run for 6yrs and my pocket money(It is not salary) was 145 nakfa ~ 3.75 usd/month at the then exchange rate(unofficial). And in 2003, I was ‘demobilized’ from national service and my salary was 1440.00 nakfa ~ 36usd/month. Life was just tough each day. One of my sisters , myself and my dad were working but our combined salary barely covers for rent and food. There was no choice but to live in dignity or …. The entire family left Eritrea one after the other. Those liberators turned tormentors are really devoid of humanity. May God have mercy on the people of Eritrea.

          • Abi

            Hello Desbele
            Your story is somewhat similar to the personal story told by Professor Tesfabirihan Redie (Tes). His story was so informative it was posted as an article.
            The way he tried to supplement his “lecturer” salary by traveling long distances and bringing goods for sale, and how he lost all his savings was really touchy .
            Here is a joke for you
            An English teacher was teaching 3rd grade while his supervisor was watching. The teacher wrote the word “ girl” and instructed the students to repeat after him. Teacher said “ ጀርል”
            Students repeated after him: ጀርል.
            After class the supervisor corrected the teacher that the word “girl” pronounced ገርል not ጀርል. The teacher replied ለ 1440 ናቅፋ መች ጀርል አነሰው?

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Desbele,

            Thank you for sharing and I hope there comes a day where our people who are far and beyond will be back home and help contribute to the well being and development of the country.

            I also wanted to thank you the video you shared about the Kunama people who were in Ethiopian refugee camps immigrated to the US.

            That’s the reason, that I am puzzled Tigray claims they have Kunama yet, all the Kunama wanted to do is, to be in their land and make their own of living but they kept them in the refugee camps in no mans land waiting for hand outs.

            But there is question about their Eritreanism, no matter what they want to claim.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Reading your story, I think you came to AAU in the mid 70s, when the Ethiopian youth was captivated by the Pentecostal preaching on baptism in the Holy Spirit, prophecy, healing, and exorcism. I remember in 1973 (before I join the front), the Orthodox Church and the emperor being worried by the spread of the Pentecostal, start to ban preaching in a large mass gathering, and throwing the preachers of that faith to prisons. I think you came to Addis around those years. Am I right?

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,
            No. 1979-80 academic year.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሃይላት,

            እዚ ዕላልካ ፍሽኽታን ስሓቅን ጥራይ ዘይኮነ ዝእንግድ ቁሩብ ኣብ ግዜ ንእስነተይ ካብ መጽሓፍ ቅዱስ ዘንበብክወን አዛኻኺሩኒ:: ጳውሎስ ቅድሚ አገልጋሊ እግዛኣብሄር ምኻኑ: ሓደ ግዜ ካብ ሓደ ቦታ ናብ ሓደ ቦታ ይጓዓዝ ነይሩ:: ኣብ ፍርቂ ጉዕዝኡ “መንፈስ” ከምዘንገርገሮን አማኒ ከምዝገበሮን ይገልጽ:: ጳውሎስ ካብታ ሰዓት’ቲኣ ቀንዲ መልእኽተኛ ናይ ኣምላኽ ከምዝነበረ’ውን ይግለጽ:: እሞ አብዚ ሓጺር ናትካ ታሪኽ ኣፍደገ ገነት ርእየያ መጺኤ ክትብል ከለኻ ብዙሕ ኣስሒቁኒ::ንምኻኑ ኣብዚ ገለጻኻ ገነት ዝረኣየ እንደገና ከምዝውለድ ብተዘዋዋሪ ዝሓበርካ ትመስል:: The irony is, how one who saw the paradise and who become reborn be an atheist is question to spiritual philosophers.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            Emma, you are putting me in trouble with ምድረ ኣመንቲ (ኣማኞች)።

            First, thank you for your very nice touching words, and for your attempt to my salvation. But I am already saved, from the ‘human folly’. I have very close acquaintances followers of the Pentecostal church. When I hear them saying they are saved, excuse me, I giggle. Now, I will not try to quote chapters of the bible in favor of this affirmation or another that undo that affirmation. It is murky because it was the word of man. For me the bible is summation of the proverbial duality, the good and the bad. Before God started creating man, the bad (Satan) was there. It looks like God and Satan were created together. Well for me that is a fact, because as I mentioned before I believe man created God and Satan (I am adding now) in his image, not vice versa as the bible says. Man placed his history in the bible and gave his exact image and description to God and Satan.

            When I said “I had seen paradise” this morning, I was trying to say, paradise resides here on earth, when people do good to their fellow human being, to see the good side of man and put aside the suspicion and doubt. Of course I couldn’t separate the good deeds of my room-mates from their belief in the upper Paradise.

            Lets come come to St Paulos and his colleagues as another example of the humanly aspect and nature of the new testament: St Paulos lived at a time where sacrificing yourself for religious fervor and discovering the new philosophy of life and salvation to come out of the destitute under the Roman dictatorship was the ultimate sacrifice. ተጋዳላይ እዩ ነይሩ።
            More curiously, I don’t know about saint Paulos, but others like Sainte Magdelina the closest to Christ were absolute sinners (or “compromised” people) who became the favorite of Jesus, of his followers and the wider christians. Those who became the confidants of Jesus happen to be the worst sinners. Does the practice ring a bell of similitude with modern dictators?
            Reading chapters of St Matthew and John (apocalypse) on the day of judgement reminds us the bad wishes of man on his fellow human beings and not of a hypothetical vengeful God who hates what he created.
            BTW God must be an atheist because he either believes on himself (like the overconfident atheist) or on nothing else, like an atheist claims to be.

          • Abi

            Hello Frederick Nietzsche
            “It is not God who created man . It is man who created God. According to materialism God is nothing but an idealist reflection of the human mind” Frederick Nietzche.
            I can’t help you tonight. I hope you are at undisclosed location under a fortified bunker.
            ጋሽዬን ምን ነካብኝ?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            I don’t need a bunker, because I am not a believer in the biblical God. Those who believe in what they created search for the bunkers to search or to hide, because they don’t really believe in what they preach and claim to believe. They take matters in their own hand because they have doubts on what they created. How many lives had passed in the hands of believers who feel like they had the revelation as messengers of their own creation. They loose their reason. If they believed on reason, they wouldn’t do that.

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            My favorite bumper sticker reads
            “ God, please protect me from your followers “.
            I was a little worried in case the “ God creators “ in this forum start shooting at you.
            I have been in the receiving end of those assaults .
            እኔ ወንዱ ፍንክች!!!

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            I think the world is in the mess it’s in because of his type of philosophers: Nietzsche, primarily. He “killed god:” only to replace him with Wall Street greedy monsters who have taken the role of god. Call it rebirth in a different form. Of course, the world was relatively far better when god ruled Wall Street. Now he is banished from everywhere and he has taken his compassion, empathy, and kindness away. We are living in a godless and a cruel immoral world; neither the believers nor the atheists care about the common person:

          • Selam SJG,

            Today’s gods are the 26 billionaires who own wealth bigger than the wealth owned by the lower half of all human beings, and the 1% of the human population who own the 99% of the wealth of the world.
            How can such an unjust world have a future? We saw how weak human beings are in front of a pandemic, let alone a nuclear holocaust or an asteroid hitting the planet earth. Religions taught us love, justice, morality, etc, and today’s human beings called these obsolete ideas. What matters today is the individual and not society as a whole, the present and not the future and the winner takes all. Greed has taught human beings not to share, even if they have more than they would ever need and hoard when they know that they are going to leave their wealth behind.
            Is there a future for a godless world? I doubt there is.
            I can’t really call myself a religious person, simply, i can’t imagine a godless universe and godless planet earth, especially when it is inhabited by people who are ready to do anything they like at the expense of others, and expect their species to survive forever.
            Science can very well supplement religion, if it is meant to serve all human beings, but it will never replace religion. Religion and science can go hand in hand. Otherwise, the new gods will be science which serves the few and money which again belongs to the very few 1%, that will lead to a catastrophe.
            People like Jeff Bezos, who was asking himself last time what to do with his big money, and he may as well colonize the planet mars, an opinion i am sure is shared by most rich people, could move there or elsewhere, which means that the great majority of human beings who are left behind on earth will disappear due to pandemic, an asteroid hitting the earth and even a thermonuclear war the rich will start.
            Therefore, a godless world is not good for anybody, however educated and sophisticated that person may be. Religion is not only about saving the soul, whether we believe it or not, much more it is about saving humanity on this planet, first and foremost.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon, Saleh Abi et all,

            Your inputs are very interesting. I don’t disagree with what you said. You are pointing to the greed of man. Nietzsche&Co and I (their representative here at Awateland:-)) were also pointing to exactly the same culprit, the action of man through God. I am not saying religion is not necessary. No one can undo religion because it is part of the human game. You were talking of wallstreet as if it was exclusively atheistic. First it is not. Next how about all the Donation-street who make paradise on earth for themselves in the name of God. How about those who commercialize “Godsplace” to enrich themselves. God has been an instrument of man and will likely remain like that.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            “ religion because it is part of the human game.”

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            The quarrells and war started early with the first generation of “God’s creation” when Abel became the favorite of God and the victim of Cain’s jealousy and kill. God was not presented to be an equalizer from the begging despite everyone claims he is. God is the perfect image of human nature, he preferred the offerings of Abel than that of Cain creating animosity between the two.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            You could bring all kinds of arguments as far as “religious faith” is not provable, even by the religious philosophers. Actually, analytic philosophy tended to avoid the study of philosophy of religion and are largely dismissing the subject as part of metaphysics, and therefore meaningless. So your argument is not because you can disprove the existence of God, but it is because the religious philosopher can not prove the existence of God rationally and logically.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            I had indicated to Sara, I may not continue this discussion in consideration of her concerns.

            But let me say this: your last sentence suggests that God exists (for you), but the religious philosophers and their book (the bible, because my arguments were based on what is written there) cannot prove his existence rationally. This says to me we are coming to the basics, እቲ ከይርኣየ ዝኣመነ ብጹእ እዩ። Meaning we don’t need to push this further to proving or disproving.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Agree with Sara to focus on the plight of our people at this time.

          • Abi

            Hello ኃይለኛው
            Actually the his favoritism towards Abel is not the first wrong example to his creations.
            First, he did not protect Adam and Eve from the powerful satan. He knew his creations were weak against satan. Protect and Defend!!
            Second, God failed to show mercy to the first people. He didn’t say “ ሁለተኛ እንዳይለመድ!” No, he kicked them out. Later he sent Jesus for our salvation.
            “በትኖ ማፈስ” ይሉሃል እንዲህ ነው

            ታድያ የአዳም ዘር ይቅር ባይነትን ከማን ይማር?

          • Haile S.

            Aba ትልቁ፡

            I can’t agree more!

            በሳሙና ታጥቤ ጸረ ቫይረስ እንድጸዳ
            ምነው በሩን ታስከፍተኛለህ፡ ዱብ እዳ!

          • Abi

            ጋሽዬ
            ፀበል ሞክር🙈

          • sara

            selamat Haile .s Hawna,
            with all my respect… is this the time to discuss the existence of god and its virtues…. this time all believers are looking into their savor
            for mercy, as the catastrophe has fallen on us..if science has failed to protect us and nothing is also forthcoming to stop the catastrophe
            wouldn’t it be at least be more sensitive to those of us who believe
            our only savoir is god/allah.. and we are praying this to come to an end. at home and nearby all we poor souls are praying day and night
            at home /mosque/church… and you joining us this time for the sake of
            those of us who … are less opportune to even get the minimum protection of what we see and hear those of you in the west have been getting from the states you live.
            the interesting thing of these disease is … it doesn’t say…rich/poor
            strong/weak young or old female/male educated or not . we all on it and our only chance of survival is only under the mighty .

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sara,

            Sorry Sara Hawtey. If Abi and Emma didn’t poke me, I wouldn’t have run this fast and this far :-). But don’t worry, this will also pass as so many other pandemics. Everytime a pathogen arrises or changes its nature, we loose until our body learns how to fight it best and us how to tackle it with the technology we have. We need to follow the recommendations that are being repeated worldwide. Applying the recommendations without panic is the key to reducing the transmission of this virus. And in addition praying where you are in your home without going to church or mosque will help.

          • Selam Haile S.,

            That is the point. The problem lies with the greed and hypocrisy of those who say that they serve God and religion and how they commercialized religion for their own selfish ends.
            It is said that ottoman Turks couldn’t believe the barbarity of the crusaders. The crusaders were farmers who were told to murder, loot and plunder, and they were allowed to keep part of their spoils and give over the rest which was most of it, to the pope. Catholic bishops and priests instead of a married life, unashamedly chose to become pedophiles even today. During the inquisition, they sent people to their death or prison to acquire their wealth, and the crimes in the Americas in the name of the church are well known.
            I don’t understand why it is not told to ethiopians that pope pius xi blessed the invasion of ethiopia by fascist italy as a just and a holy war similar to the crusades. He said that it will help to proselytize the heretic abyssinian church to catholicism. Cardinals and bishops donated their golden crosses and rings to the fascist government for the abyssinian war effort. I couldn’t believe it when i read the above by a Rev. Dr. Mikre-Sellassie G. Ammanuel. No pope has up to now apologized to the ethiopian people.
            Therefore, as i said above, the problem is with people who say that they serve the church and exploit the church and religion for their inhuman ends and not religion and God. The teaching is diachronically right, nevertheless, it is the teachers that have always been the problem.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I can’t see the correlation between wealth and ungodly lives. In my opinion the lifestyle of the pastors of the mega churches is a great example of ungodly behavior.
            Most of the wealthy people donate some of the money to different types of philanthropic causes.
            I don’t know if they are religious or not but their efforts in helping people who live in different continents is what God appreciates. Bill Gates is a great example.
            All the children who were abused in churches…Let me stop here before I throw up.

          • Selam Abi,

            There maybe some truth in what is said in the bible, that “it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle…”. In my opinion very few people could get rich through the legal way. The way to riches is through the dark underground channels of one sort or other.
            Usually some third world countries are robbed so that westerners can get rich. For example, to bring the industrial revolution to europe and to build europe, africa, the americas and asia were robbed.
            The aid money + debt that goes to africa is said to be around $50bn yearly. In the same period about $150bn leave the continent illegally. Imagine what africa could have done with that kind of money (roads, schools, hospitals, standard of life, etc).
            Have you asked yourself why the wealth of these westeern philanthropists increase every year while they donate money. Is it because they don’t pay their taxes? One may say that it is their problem. Nevertheless, instead of giving pittance to africans, the best thing the west could have done is to block the channel through which their corporate companies working with african hippos rob the continent. If they do that which they will never do, then, africa will have enough money for development, and their is no need for philanthropic donations.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            The central focus of this ኃይል induced debate is those people who preach the heavens are the same people practicing the exact opposite.
            መፅሀፍ ቅዱስ እንደሚለው “የሴዛርን ለሴዛር” :: In modern language pay your taxes. If these rich people don’t pay the appropriate taxes, it is የሴዛር ድክመት:: ከማመን ወይም ካለማመን ጋር አይገናኝም::

            I miss soccer already. I found myself in a wrong field.

          • sara

            selamat Ato Haile,
            sorry to interrupt , i am curious about this 4killo.. 6killo… that i often read in the discussion by many …. from what i also heard 4killo is an area where the king of Ethiopia used to live…
            again sorry.. from what you wrote above it sound like you were residing at the kings palace… or the kings palace also has school dormitory.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sara,

            You are very funny! You made laugh loud. I wish I lived in the palace on a matress on the floor. 4kilo & 6kilo are the areas like edaga-Hamus and edaga-Arbi in Asmara. It happens that the university at 6kilo wax the old palace of the king who gave it to be a university campus. His palace is a museum then and now. 4kilo is also the area where Menelik built his palace and is since then the area of the goverment and parliament. Thank you for the laugh!

          • sara

            selamat Haile s
            glad i made you laugh in this trying times…. but honestly i was not trying to be funny… it was that i dont know much about those places
            frequently brought up in the forum.
            its interesting though the king has a palace in areas like edaga arbi and Hamus.,you know in asmara the main palace is located in the center of the city surrounded by government buildings…
            well.. thank you anyway..

          • Selam Haile S.,
            Have you any idea how these two adjacent areas in addis got these funny names? I think that the area between the two is sometimes called 5Killo. I lived in addis for four years as a student. Soon after i joined AAU, i left for a foreign country. That is all i know about addis.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            I think we have discussed about these places few years ago. If I am not wrong Ras Abi gave us the explanation for them. Amst-kilo is where the engineering dept is, and where engineering classes were taking place. Myself, I took chemical engineering night classes for one year before I left Addis. Ras Abi, could you help him the story behind 4-kilo, 5-kilo, and 6-kilo.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma & Horizon,

            Emma. Thank you on your earlier comment. I will come on it later.

            In the names, according to wikipedia, 4kilo and 6kilo are the respective distances if the squares from the main old palace. 5kilo is in between where the faculty of Engineering and pharmacy were or are still are as Emma said.
            Another confounding explanation for the names is that 4kilo is a 4 road square, while 6kilo is a somehow 6 road square.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            All I know is regarding the names of the places is covered by ጋሽ Haile.

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    The Morality or Moral Codes of Banditry—ሽፍትነት.

    It has been ten thousand years [or sixty generations] since humanity called it quits and settled for agriculture where Hunting and Gathering were thought not so smart, less efficient and more risky. But was it really? Well, one can make the argument that, Agricultural Revolution gave humanity the foundation where communities and later on societies became more structured whereby cultures, traditions, values and identities became the defining aspects of who we are. That certainly is a valid argument but again that kind of radical transition had come with a price.

    Consider this: When group of people transitioned to a settled way of life, they run the risk of exposing themselves to a roaming bandits where their harvests, livelihood including the vulnerable members of the community as in young women were invariably violated. Moreover, the roaming bandits more often than not would come from long distances and when they attack and rob the settled communities, they would take away anything and everything they could find, simply because they wouldn’t come back anytime soon. That kind of dynamics turned out to be a zero-sum-game so to speak for the settled communities became exhausted in the end as they wouldn’t have anything to offer anymore.

    The roaming bandits had to rethink their strategy if not other other bandits would offer the settled community that could benefit both. And as it happened, the other bandits made a pact with the settled communities saying that, they would protect them from the roaming bandits if they could pay them half of what ever the roaming bandits used to take. That is, if they are going to protect them, they would have to make a permanent residence with them as well. The settled communities agreed with the arrangement and the roaming bandits were kept at bay.

    Before the settled communities knew it, however, the settled bandits gave the fee for protection a name–they called it “Taxation” and they called themselves a “Government” or a “State.” And the arrangement was named, a “Social Contract.”

    Almost 55 generations after the Agrarian Revolution, two great minds disputed on the interpretation of the Social-Contract. One as in Thomas Hobbes saw it as the people who are being protected subservients to the settled bandits [Government or State] and the other as in John Locke saw it as the settled bandits [Government or State] subservients to the settled communities who are being protected. The perennial dispute however, finally ended when Locke became the victor where the right to protect is when Man’s fundamental right is the right to own his own life and the right to Liberty and Happiness later on followed.

    • Abi

      Paul
      I’m sure every ሽፍታ who is remotely related to Awatenation enjoyed reading this piece. Thanks

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        Do you know that you are the prototype of a Shrewd ኣማራ? If that is what you are implying, Hamid Idris Awate was no ሽፍታ. But if history books, say, Bahru Zewdie among others prove me wrong, I would still think, he was a Robin Hood kind of ሺፍታ!

        • Abi

          Paul
          መጀመርያ ዋርድያው መተኛታቸውን አረጋግጬ ነው የመልስ ምት የምመታው:: ወዳጄ በሮቢን ሁድ ቀስት ጉድ እንዳልሆንብህ::
          እኔ ቀጥ ያለ ቀስት የለኝም:: ቡመራንግ ነው የማምዘገዝገው::

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            That is really funny!

            ዋርድያው ሰሙንን ጠፍተዋል፣ በደህና ነው? ምን እንበል እግዜር ይጠብቃቸው።

          • Abi

            Paul
            Jokes aside, it is really a concerning time.
            ቀስታቸውን እየሳሉ መሆን አለበት::

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Remember, my post about our customary law. It is about taking care of each other. It stands out that you are an attentive and sensitive person.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Can I take this comment at face value?
            Anyway, thanks a million. Taking care of each other should be a priority.
            I hope everyone is safe in this trying time.

          • Hashela

            It would be good to hear from Saleh J. Gadi!

          • Abi

            I was thinking of him and Abraham Hannibal. Abraham was sick for a very long time.

          • Nitricc

            Good point what happened to him? Wow you are good. If stop kissing sold azzes

          • Abi

            General
            It has been long time since Abraham commented here. He said he has a terminal illness in one of his comments.
            I hope he is fine.

          • Nitricc

            You know Abiy: you better man than I am. Thank you sir.

          • Abi

            I’m the official attendance supervisor at Awatenation.
            The other person who disappeared is Ted. He didn’t come back after the 25 independence anniversary.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy; I hope he is doing just fine

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            ለሰው ጥሩ ማሰብና ደግ መመኘት ለጽድቅ ብቻ ሳይሆን ለጤናም ጥሩ ነው፣ ወንድሜ በሄድክበት ይቅናህ፣ ሰላም ሁን!

          • Abi

            Paul
            ረጅም እድሜና የተሟላ ጤና ለግማሽ አካሌ እመኛለሁ::

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I meant giving Saleh a call from people who have a personal contact with him.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            The confusion is you added the question after my response.
            I hope people like Saay or Amanuel Hidrat will call him.

    • Samuel

      Selam Paulos,
      Thank you for sharing! Good stuff.
      Just trying to expand the analogy, can we say PP (Prosperity Party) as roaming bandits, and EPRDF as settled bandits? FYI, in few months PP will be gone, they are stealing land and money with alarming speed.

      Thanks,

      • Paulos

        Selam Samuel,

        Certainly, the analogy has limitations but if anything, EPRDF to its credit had proved to be a noble bandit if you will in comparison to the roaming bandit—Dergue. PP or Abiy is of a sophisticated bandit when he is selling a vulgarized Prosperity Theology on a political platter. The guy is a certified scammer with an over-rated charm.

        • Abi

          Paul +Samuel
          የአይጥ ምስክሯ ድንቢጥ!!

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hello All:
    Just an FYI about something you all know :
    A short Lecture/ Message about/on the Corona Virus by my former “Junior Medical Student”,now a practicing Physician in California, Dr Tekie Tesfay…. a classic and handsome Amnarino.
    https://youtu.be/k9VxvasjUjw

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Sultan M.G.
      This group, just like you, is sponsored by HGDF and corona virus is much nicer than hgdf. Thanks but no thanks!

      • Paulos

        ማሃንድሳይ,

        Do you remember last time when we talked about the nature of viruses? Well, here we are again smart viruses threatening our species.

        Adam Smith, in 1776 may have talked about the “Invisible Hand” where it is presumed to lead the market dynamics when men or women are driven by self-centered interests. Perhaps, one can draw similar reasoning where self-preservation is guided through a carefully thought out survival mechanism where the end result or fitness if you will is measured on how one passes its gene to the next generation.

        Of course, within evolutionary parlance, it is called the overly used term, “Survival of the Fittest.” The question then is, can we outsmart the strategically oriented viruses? The deal is, lethal viruses are not strategically smart. Those who are mild tend to pass on their genes to the next generation are said to be evolutionary fit instead.

        Consider this: If a strain of a virus is lethal and if it makes the person bedridden, the likelihood the person will transmit the virus to another person is almost none and the virus won’t be able to pass on its genes either. On the other hand, if the virus is mild and if the infected person is able to move around, the virus will be transmitted to a new host and it’s gene will be passed on in the meantime. As such, mild viruses are more advantaged from an evolutionary point of view. And that is precisely the reason that experts are not relying on finding a vaccine so to speak but in defeating the virus in its own game by isolating the infected hosts.

        • Sultan M.G.

          Dottore:
          Quite disappointed that you did not advise that Dude for insulting a well credentialed MD delivering the latest message and advice for the best interest of the public.
          No clue what the heck Medicine and Public Health has to do with Higdef and its membership!

        • Selam Paulos,

          This pandemic showed us how much vulnerable human beings are and why they should change their way of life. The fear of virus pandemic, thermonuclear warfare, and an asteroid hitting the planet are the nightmares that human beings have to live with forever.
          Two characteristics of the virus i have noticed seem to be that it is extremely contagious and extremely virulent in certain groups of people with an already compromised health condition and those with advanced age.
          Avoiding close contact, handshake, implementing hygienic ways, staying home, etc, show that prevention remains more effective than cure for viruses. Examples are the so called Spanish flu of 1918 and the recent epidemics with other viral strains. Are we heeding what the UN and governments are advising us or not? Let’s hope we all are.
          Unfortunately, it seems that covid-19 has already visited Ethiopia, 3-4 proved cases, 2-3 Japanese citizens and one Ethiopian, from what i heard. The sad news is some people are running away and hiding when told to undergo a test, thus contaminating still more people if they happen to be positive for the virus. Poor education + poor health system + a virulent virus is the worst combination. This holds true almost for all of Africa.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            I suspect you live in Europe for you comment most of the times when the rest of us [ here in North America] are asleep.

            In my opinion, Charles Darwin was the greatest scientist who ever lived where the Quantum folks of the 20s and 30s including Einstein dwarf in comparison. This may sound contradictory but I also believe that, his profound insight was revealed to him through God for he couldn’t have come up with that kind of imagination on his own.

            When Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ walked on this Earth, world population was estimated to had been 2.5 million. Circa two thousand years later, we are 7.5 billion beating all the odds that could have sent us into extinction including as you have aptly pointed it out, pandemics, continuous bombardment of debris and meteorites among other catastrophes. We are resilient species.

            The secret to our success is not only our bigger sized brain and self awareness of our place in this unknown universe but in our reshuffled genes where variation is our shield.

            As you know or remember from Biology 101, Bacteria are multiplied through something called budding or binary fission. That means, every bacterial offspring looks exactly the same as the parent. As such, if a virulent or a phage attacks the bacteria, the entire bacteria would be decimated. In us however, the genes in everyone of us are reshuffled through a process called Meiosis and Mitosis and it gives us variation. As such, when a virulent strain attacks one, the other might be able to resist and survive for the combination of the genes are stronger than the other host. And that was precisely the reason that, when the influenza virus killed more soldiers than the war, the others survived because of variation and were able to pass on their genes. Had they been identical like bacteria, all the soldiers would have died at the end of the Great War in 1918.

            Here is the downside of our presumed advantage though. Certainly, we have overcome adversities through our ingenuity, innovation and invention including in Medicine. And one of greatest achievement is in prolonging our average life span where one hundred years ago, it was 48 and now it is close to 80. Thing is though, our nature is not designed to live a long life and because of that, we are exposed to old age diseases as in most of the Cardiovascular diseases including Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s among others where the body doesn’t know how to deal with new phenomenon of longevity.

            In light of that, the recent virus can partially be understood where it is mainly attacking old people particularly in Europe and Japan as the societies are dealing with the burden of old age when the birth rate is fast decreasing. And one can make a similar but contrasting argument where Ethiopia is poised to deal the pandemic effectively for it has more younger people than old. And would have less cases as well where backwardness could be a blessing in disguise.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            Few years back I was listening NPR, “All Things Considered” program, the headline says “Contagious Aphrodisiac? Virus Makes Crickets Have More xxx”. It is very fascinating how a virus survives by increasing the crickets xxx drive before it kill the Cricket.

            It’s not only humans, but viruses are also becoming too creative to survive. If you haven’t yet try to read the above article, it is very interesting read. It has 7 minutes audio as well.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Thanks for the info Samuel.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Samuel; forget what the Ethiopians say what is your position with what the fat And what ugly general of yours said. I have asked so many times and you ignored the question. Please tell us so we know where you stand.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            Pulling Gestapo crap on Samuel? What if he thinks you’re not worth his response? You got to earn respect first so that people can treat you as such. You need to realize why people ignore you more often. There sure is a reason for it.

          • Nitricc

            hI p; I didn’t know you could go that low in defending liars. It is your right to defending them and it our right to know the truth. Samuel holds the same position as the ugly, fat and criminal general of your.
            I need no respect from them.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            That fat General is a private citizen and his opinions are solely his–nothing more nothing less. Don’t take him too serious.

          • Abi

            Paul
            But you and the major Eritrean websites took tamrat seriously. If I remember correctly you were the one who eagerly brought the tamrat story to Awatenation. Looks like you got different standards as to who to ignore and who to take seriously.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            The fat General didn’t say we can over-run Eritrea while brushing our teeth. Neither did he say we are grateful to Isaias for weakening the Eritrean people to the extent of deserting the nation in droves. Hardly.

          • Abi

            Paul
            “ይሁና መቼስ ይሁና” አለ ፀሐዬ ዮሃንስ
            መቼም ያንተ ነገር አይሆንልኝም በይቅርታ ታልፈሃል:: ምንስ ቢሆን ግማሽ አካሌ አይደለህ?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Love you too ma bro.

          • Nitricc

            Hi P; why even say it? he didn’t say

            The fat General didn’t say we can over-run Eritrea

            He didn’t said it because he tried, not only failed but cried in front the army he was leading. Now, he talk BS. If Ethiopia was a country of law and order, he should be imprisoned for war crimes, along with guy who destroyed Ethiopian Air force.

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            There is no point debating you because you resort into insults and blubber. I stop here. Try Tedros Alem. All the best!

          • Nitricc

            I am not debating. Are you drunk?

          • Nitricc

            Good screw your self B what do you think you are above any ones? You are nothing but a-hole of TPLF. I know Awate will defend you but nothing but a trash of aTPLF. Screw you B.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Horizon; It is very dangerous times for any African countries. In here most of us can work from home; it sucks but you got the technology to stay home. How do you even attempt in any African country? God help Africa. It is going to get more worst; because I heard this virus is biological weapon grade. Now China is saying it come over the US and most country said it came from China. But in the middle all of this; Iran is hit hard, how? I have no prove but I am thinking the Covid-19 was created in the laboratory as biological weapon and leaked. Even some suggested, it could have been released purposely just to curve the alarming growth of population of the world. I don’t know. All I know is protect your self but don’t live your life under the fear. If it is time to go, time to go.

          • Selam Nitricc,

            Interesting points. The same was said about the HIV virus, that it escaped from a laboratory, and it could be a study of the virus in nature that went wrong, etc. As to Covid-19 being a biological weapon, i have not heard that billionaires and millionaires have retreated to their bankers, nor the white supremacists or those who believe in eugenics, are behind the coronavirus. I think that they are among us equally exposed to the virus.
            As to the Ethiopian elections, politics is politics all the time and all over the world. The one who thinks he will win wants it on time and the one who thinks he may lose wants it to be postponed.
            As we are moving towards the elections, we see that the tide with the Ethiopian PM is increasing. Except OFC and of course tplf, the rest seem to be still disorganized and incompetent and most probably will not gather many votes.
            Jawar, bekele g and even Merara G. have exposed themselves with their extremist positions, and except their extremist supporters, peace living Oromos don’t want to have anything to do with them. You hear every day the things happening in Oromia. It is their own people who are killing them and causing havoc. OLF is terrorizing the people to submission, but it is not succeeding.
            Ethiopians have come to value peace and their security more than anything else, and they know that only PP could give them these, and i believe that the majority of Oromos are going to vote for this party for the sake of peace and security and of course progress. They have tasted what ethno-nationalism and extremism means in real life and they are abhorred.
            The tens of thousands of Oromo police force that has graduated recently, in my opinion, is meant to protect and guarantee the elections. Hence, nothing odd if PMAA wants the elections on time.
            OFC and Tplf plan to join force pre- and post-elections, to win the elections and rule the country. Tplf will gain almost no votes outside Tigray except from its own people, and of course, no other party will gain votes in Tigray. OFC depends on extremist Oromos whose number is dwindling by the day.
            No doubt extremists will try to create chaos, especially in oromia and amhara, but they are not as powerful as they used to be and their influence will dwindle as time passes.
            In addition, the PM is showing his teeth. He called tplf, a power that hides criminals, who has hijacked the people of tigray which is part and parcel of the Ethiopian people, and indirectly attacked jawar by calling him, people who have not administered a Kebele, despite the title they are brandishing right and left , which drove jawar crazy.
            The pre-election fervor is starting to warm up, Nitricc. PMAA doesn’t seem to be afraid of the elections, and he is more or less certain to rule alone or in coalition with others after the elections.

          • sara

            selamat Gen Nit,
            i have good news for you, i just got a message that says as follows..
            ” Doctors in china confirmed African blood genetic composition
            resists coronavirous, after student got cured.
            hope for the best, at least for our poor compatriots in diaspora.

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            Please please please don’t be fooled by this false claim.
            False information seems to be spreading faster than the virus itself . Please be careful .

          • sara

            selam ato Abi,
            i am a positive wisher…. the same i wish good of my neighbors
            i do also of these pandemic…..
            what choice do we have except to wish the best…. there is no cure on the horizon.

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            It is one thing to wish good and stay positive, but totally wrong and devastating to let your guard down. That is my worry.

          • Selam sara,

            It was said that Africa has few cases of coronavirus infection due to the warm/hot climate. The same thing was said to be true for Indonesia. It has not been proved.

            If African genes are such that their cells do not have the membrane receptors the virus needs to attach itself to and later on to be internalized, or can’t replicate and multiply in their cells, or the viruses that have multiplied within the cell are not finally discharged with the death of the cell and thus infect more cells, maybe it is possible. Nevertheless, have they proved this, something similar, or anything that may explain this phenomenon?

            I hope African countries will not take this news for granted and decrease the level of emergency they are planning to implement. The Ethiopian government is going to declare the coronavirus infection a national emergency, schools have already been closed, Christians and Muslims have been told by their religious fathers to stay home and pray. I wish the news is true. Nevertheless, unfortunately, many fake news about the virus are circulating on the the web.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          This is very interesting, Doterre and thank you!

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ሰብ ዱግርታት

    ዝሰልጠነ ዝመስሎ ኤረትራዊ ብጥልያን ይዛረብ
    ወዲ ሞሮኮ ድማ ብ ፍራንሳይ
    ኣብ ክንዲ ብ ዓረብ

    ቋንቋኡ ኣትሒቱ
    ብትግሪኛ ተሓቲቱ
    ኣብ ጽላል ቋንቋ ጣልያን መኪቱ
    ንምዕባለ ቋንቋ ሃገሩ ዓጊቱ

    በሽትያ ፊለዲካነ ማለዴቲ ቦርኮ
    ክብል ጸሓይ ይዓርቦ
    ቋንቋ ናይ ኣደ ኮነ ናይ ኣቦ
    ኣይፈልጥን ንመን ከምዘረከቦ

    ግምጥል ኢሉ ብ ኤርትራውነተይ ይሕበን
    ይብለኒ ስጊንጥር ‘ዩ ናይ ሎምዘበን

    ብቋንቋኻ ካብ ጸገመ ምግላጽ
    በል ይድሕንካ ካብ ባናና ምርጋጽ

    ምሁር ‘የ ኣይትበለኒ
    ‘ንተትፈልጥሲ ምነገርካኒ
    ሕጂ ግደፍኒ
    ክዓጽዳ ዛባኒ
    ጥንቅቕ በል ኣይወጸንን ግርሲኒ
    ተርፍ ሙሶሊኒ
    ከምዝመስለኒ

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; what Eritrean enemies failed to understand is, simply they don’t know what Eritrean people are and their DNA. Learn

    https://youtu.be/qG5O9amIwjM

    • Sultan M.G.

      Ya General:
      Good job.
      This is ONLY the tip of the iceberg though when it comes to the Eritrean history in general and the Eritrean heroism in particular.
      One of the best things/ cultures the EPLF excels is its unique nature and ability of DOCUMENTATION!
      To my best knowledge, no Nation or Liberation movement ever tried to achieve what the EPLF achieved in documenting each and every martyr, among other things.
      These folks are so “ crookedly” picky and detailed in their documentation about each and every detail they say,do and document.

      The world and our enemies know this and that is they want us to be down…

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Sultan M.G.
        What is worse is that you and private nitricc alike try to act as you guys are patriots when you have done an iota to our country, just like Sofia. The difference between you guys and Sofia is she is not hiding behind the hgdf curtain.
        I have more respect for her than yours.
        HGDF is hiding behind EPLF while the main EPLF guys are under ground [alive or dead] or fled the country that they had paid too much.

  • Nitricc

    Hi all as people and humans; we must learn from past and move on but what do you with some stupid Ethiopians like Tamrat Segera who thinks invaliding Eritrea is a piece of cake. Well come and try.

    https://youtu.be/W_3M0Oz5gfQ

    • Nitricc

      And Eritreans this is your competition. Don’t laugh.

      https://youtu.be/SjJ80fj36Q4

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Nitric,

        Oh man, you made me laugh. Poor guy.

        Berhe

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    Here is a piece of genius of young Eritreans coming of age. Enjoy!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7F5DsdOiQc4

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Paulos,

      Nice one,,both were singing with very smooth original cultural voice..and the lady was also perfect (Nebeat)..

      “Barnabas Mebrahtu (Baritone) & Benhur Mosazghi (Bass) – Nibeat Fqri (By Tikabo Woldermariam)”

      Thank you..

      KS,,

      • Paulos

        Selam Kokhobay,

        Glad you liked it. There is this stubborn light in that country that refuses to go away. Give these people a small token of freedom and they do miracles. The question is why is darkness fighting them? Don’t mean to sound mystical but it is a mystery. Really!

        • Kokhob Selam

          Yes Paulos,

          ” Give these people a small token of freedom and they do miracles. ”

          Balanced understanding..

          I know this and I even live with principle of waves and vibrations..

          KS,,

        • Berhe Y

          Thank you for sharing Paulo.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Get READY DOC!

        • Sultan M.G.

          Doc;
          When a Sadist DEVIL is in the details, what do u expect?

          By whom/Who and why do U think the over-nightly well developed Post Grad School of Medicine and Surgery to make Eritrea the Medical Tourist Hub/ Center of Africa/E Africa per late Dr Salih Mekkis ( Honorary PHD)dream and vision was dismantled overnight ?

          Why do u think Professors Haile Debbas and Haile Mezghebe and other genus people like you,SAAY/SGJ…Profs Hailat/Amanuel H ,etc…are banned from Eritrea??

          Why do u think Eritreans have been BANNED from exploiting their massive Red resources ?

          I thought u said it correctly:“ Eritreans DID it and achieved it but the man screwed things up … in your response Abi and Horizon!

          Like Abi and (?Nittric also) said it, the guy told a French Journalist in 1973 that he prefers farmers with shovels rather than well educated Eri elite. … and to that effect, the same dude DECIMATED the Eri Rlite and Genius as well as the well experienced Commanders and Strategists and Politicians!

          It is so strange and incomprehensible as to why the 5-6 million people and their top elite and genius have not figured this out for 45 yrs!

          • Paulos

            Capo,

            I wanted to build Medical School in Eritrea including an advanced institution for Biomedical Research. Certainly, it sounds lofty and intimidating but it is not. If you have talented people around you, the rest is just administration.

            To do that however, you would need men of power with a sense of mission and political will where intellectual freedom is not only respected but encouraged as well. But sadly, the regime’s priority thus far has been defending the country from enemies from with-in and with-out where nation building and tapping on the human potential are differed ad infinitum.

            I suspect that was the case with Drs Debas and Mezgebe as well when they packed up and left the country for good. Dreams however never die for there will be a time where the nation shines against all odds. It may not be in our life time but the day will come for a fact.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Dottore:
            I hear u and the “ Aytibke endiyu zebkiyenni” zello!
            I completely TRUST YOU and the TRIO -Dr Paulos, Prof Haile Debbas and Prof Haile Mezghebe along with others can do miracles , the same dram Salih Mekki et all dreamt about!
            It is a matter of 5-10 yrs, not during our life time,since we are only in our early 50s.
            The Devil might collapse overnight, God willing .
            I guarantee you that if the Asmera Uni/EIT, Mekele Univ, Bahirdar and Addis Abeba Univ …. Hawassa , Jimma Haramayya ,and few more top Oromiyya Univ work together, we can achieve a lot.
            The Joint ErMA( Eritrean Medical Association and the EMA( The Ethiopian Medical Association)should be revived and resurrected to merge and to work jointly.
            The Joint Economic and Medical Research and Forum can alleviate the poverty we are going thru overnight!
            The sky shall be the limit if we forget the Ye Mender Poletika and look forward to work together by sharing every resource we have , which is in abundance.

            If the Europeans of more 300 million can merge to be a/ an EU, I don’t see any problem to have ”Ethio-Eritrean Union” or East African Union from an Economic Integration point of view while keeping abd maintaining our” Political Independence and Sovereignty” for our psychological satisfaction.
            I wish ,and as such, to debate on such noble causes rather than on the past and IRRELEVANT history …

            In my opinion, that is the best option we have so as to build the trust and confidence thru a Genuine Nationaland Regional Reconciliation of both nations and peoples in particular and that of the Horn in general there by work for a mutual and respectful Economic Integration.

            If we do that, no power in the world can dare to bite us let alone Egypt or the Arabs…. and Ethiopia could have the Upper hand on the GERD and other matters.

            And that has been the wish and the vision of Eritreans since 1991 and we proved this vision to our Ethiopian brothers and sisters tutu the principle of “Forgiving and Forgetting( partially) and we were OPTIMISTIC that within 30 yrs from 1991, Ethiopia and Eritrea were to achieve such a dream and noble cause of working together …

            Those narrow minded chauvinists and losers should give up their failed mantra of subjugating and bullying Eritrea and should rather work for a peaceful and respectful Economic integration.

            It costs nothing to do so but rather it pays off a LOT!

            We know who MESSED up.
            Greediness,opportunism, power hunger,and short-sightedness … chauvinism…

          • Paulos

            Capo,

            I absolutely agree! God bless.

          • Abi

            Hello Sultan
            This is Gold
            Paul is sold
            Abi is bored
            Who else is on board?
            Sound like you had one too many for the road.
            So you are for the Ethio-Eritrean Union? You Sound very Utopian.
            I’m half listening.

          • Selam Abi,
            Ships loaded with petrodollar didn’t anchor at Massawa port in 1991, nor did petrodollar rich sheiks came as tourists and investors,
            Unlike tplf, Eplf couldn’t dominate and exploit Ethiopia, (that was the main reason for tplf-eplf animosity. Do you remember there honeymoon period earlier 1990s?),
            Tplf, who pushed Eritrea out of Ethiopia, to exploit her only by itself and for itself, is now gone,
            Self-reliance achieved nothing, etc.
            What is there left except to work with our old, backward, feudal, etc Ethiopia.
            Mz/tplf hoodwinked Eritreans and pushed them out as fast as it could, without a working arrangement of one sort or other for the two countries,
            Tplf and eplf felt at the time the giants of the region and the whole of Africa, Ethiopia was thought to remain humiliated for a hundred years, etc, etc.
            Therefore, there is no other way except the way of peace, reconciliation and cooperation. Everything has been tried and failed.
            So, never say never, my friend.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            Are you familiar with “Thucydides Trap”?

          • Selam Paulos,

            I am not sure what was on your mind when you brought the “Thucydides Trap”. I don’t know if i can say we have already been in it, trying to come out of it, or we are going into it again for the second or nth time.
            The Eritrean war of independence may have been one, and more or less we are coming out of it, i think, as much as eritrea and ethiopia are concerned. Tplf is threatening the federal government, and lately, the federal government is responding. The war of words between tplf and the federal government and tplf’s dream of forming greater tigray (agaziland), and the hope to make Eritrea participate in this scheme may lead as to a new Thucydides Trap. In addition, if tplf wants to defend the status quo ante by all means possible, it could lead us to a similar trap. This, in my opinion, would be a major miscalculation.
            If ethiopians and eritreans aspire for peace, reconciliation and cooperation, and work for these and implement them, it could be possible to avoid future Thucydides Traps. The great powers have the luxury to play the game of Thucydides Trap, if we can say so, but not poor countries like ethiopia and eritrea. Not anymore, at least.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            I remember the early 90s where Eritreans displayed their true colors. They were so arrogant they told us ኤርትራ የግላችን ኢትዮጵያ የጋራችን::
            1998 war brought us independence from Eritrean የቀንና የማታ ጅቦች::
            From counterfeit money to counterfeit whiskey were distributed by Eritrean “business people “. Their beloved government had an embassy specializing in money laundering.
            As I said earlier, it is a duty of every Ethiopian to attentively watch the movements and activities of each and every Eritrean business person in Ethiopia. Untrustworthy business partners.
            Build the wall!!!!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            I haven’t seen so far any political party with that ticket as in “Build-The-Wall” [Henceforth–BTW] political platform. I would vote for DBTW instead. Not so much being against physical separation but it will be expensive to build the wall for both countries are too poor to afford it. The fund should be prioritized for education, health care, energy, transportation and perhaps sefity-nets for the marginalized.

          • Abi

            Paul
            We need physical and emotional separation since we are incompatible in every aspect.
            BTW is a one- man party actively recruiting like minded people who prefer a lasting peace. You have ይአክል! on your side.
            I like you come up with the acronym BTW ,btw.
            BTW and send the invoice to Eritrea. Eritrea will pay for it.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Yea saw that last night. ማሃንድሳይ did a double major at Caltech–Electrical Engineering and Linguistics.

            Italians gave us expertise and words and we remained loyal to use them till Nativists such as ማሃንድሳይ conjured up equivalents. My father was not only fluent in Italian, he knew more of Italian as opposed to Tigrinya–typical of his generation that is. And I speak Italian not typical of my generation but of a different circumstances.

            ካቻቪተ was derived from the word cacciare which means to drive or throw out and vite means quickly and I would recommend–ብቑልጡፍ-መውጽኢ. በተሎ-የምያወጣ sort of thing.

          • Abi

            Paul
            ብቕጡፍ መውጵኢ ጥሩ አይኮነ::
            That is not the right way to define nor practice the the term.

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            The wall has been already built in the mind of those few “ፈሪሳውያን” for years, the physical wall is just symbolic. They are obsessed with the SEA than the people who owns the SEA.
            By the way when you go to Addis and discuss with those “ፈሪሳውያን” you will hear similar thing. They don’t have slight care about people to people relations, the SEA is in every part of their dream.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            You need to give them some slack though. Their forefathers fought and bled for the sea. And they are bitter when they “realized” that two cousins in arms scr*wed them royally when they conspired to cut them off the sea. And that sense of dejected bitterness is turning Abination into Steve Bannon.

            Before the others go nuts on me, let me be clear. I am not saying they got a point but we need to see realities through their eyes as well. Remember, these are intelligent people but looking backward has become their political platform which is in contradiction with the Zeitgeist of this new century.

          • Abi

            Paul
            The two cousins should focus on forming the new country, Agazination.
            You have got no እፍረት when you sai