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With Qatar Gone, Eritrea Stalls To Avoid African Peacekeepers

Shortly after Eritrea and Djibouti sided with the Saudi Alliance against Qatar,  the latter sent formal letters to both Djibouti and Eritrea, as well as to Mr. António Guterres, the UN Secretary General, informing them of its decision to withdraw its troops from their common border.

Qatar had over 450 armed personnel guarding the buffer zone between Djibouti and Eritrea, as part of its commitment to the the Eritrea-Djibouti Agreement it had been mediating since June 2010.

They were withdrawn on June 14.

According to our sources who have been shown copies of the letters, Qatar’s letter was addressed to the Government of Eritrea, and not to the attention of President Isaias Afwerki or any of his ministers.

Nonetheless, the Government of Eritrea issued a press release claiming that it “has not to date obtained any information on the withdrawal from the party concerned: that is the State of Qatar.”

Even more curiously, it has been leaking information on social media that Qatar has only withdrawn from the “Djibouti” side of the border and not the “Eritrean” side of the border.

Despite Qatar’s written notification that it has withdrawn its troops, Eritrea is insisting that Qatar still has responsibility for carrying out the mediation.

The reason for this is simple: shortly after Qatar withdrew, Djibouti claimed that Eritrea had deployed its troops–temporarily– to the areas vacated.  If true, this would be in violation of UN Resolution 1862, which calls on both parties to redeploy from areas of their skirmish of June 2008.

Both IGAD, a Horn of Africa regional bloc, and the African Union, the continental congress, have called on sending a fact-finding team to the Djibouti-Eritrea border area to assess the situation.  IGAD has called on the African Union to do more: deploy peacekeepers in the area vacated by Qatar.

The Government of Eritrea does not appear to have fully considered the ramifications of its position when it declared on June 12 that the decision by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Emirates and Bahrain to isolate Qatar “is a timely issue that warrants its [Government of Eritrea’s] active support. “

Eritrea continues to deny that it had taken sides and is “neutral” in the dispute, when its June 12 statement not only described the Saudi position as “timely” and warranting “its active support” but also an initiative in “the right direction that envisages full realization of regional security and stability.”

In any event, it is unlikely that Qatar will resume mediation efforts given that Djibouti’s break was even more pronounced: it reduced it diplomatic representation.

Once again, the Government of Eritrea has to choose between two bad options: accepting an IGAD/AU-mandated peacekeeping group or to formally reverse its support for the Saudi Arabia Coalition and publicly declare, as Somalia and Sudan have done, its neutrality and hope for Qatar reconsideration.

 

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  • Hayat Adem

    Dear MS,
    It is not me. It is history; it is prominent historians who researched or witnessed those issues that are saying this. We should assume those historians to have talked and or collected the opinion of those who lead the struggle and represented the sentiments of their followers. As recently as 1999, IA said those stuff to a western journalist referring to villas vs hats and fork/spoon vs hands. Professor Asmerom Legesse bragged about Ethiopians knowing nothing about screw driver to a university community in the US in the example he used to show the cultural divide he always thought was far apart and unbridgeable. And of course, you should be the first to know that I am not implying that all Eritreans think that way. All and most of the lowlanders don’t. All or most of the rural highlanders don’t. And many from the rest of us don’t. The problem comes when you think the struggle represent 100% of Eritreans and the leaders represent all of us.

    • blink

      Dear Hayat
      Which historians do you consult when you manufactured villages in Eritrea??? Just asking….

      • Nitricc

        Hi Blinki; did you ask Hayat ” Which historians do you consult when you manufactured villages in Eritrea??? Just asking”
        Simple the great loser YG!!! Hayat’s job is to repeat what ever YG have to say. nothing comes from her own self but for YG, AG, BS and the least goes on.

        • blink

          Dear Nitricc
          Her lies has no borders and she double down on them in case we stay blind and expect her blind followers cheer on her lies.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            How do you think you are fighting the dictatorial regime in Eritrea if you are spending 24/7 insulting or attacking the Ethiopians visiting here. Can you look at your comments and see yourself in the mirror? What is this constant obsession with the Ethiopian, I think you love them too much and you cannot spend a day without conversation with them:) You are really harmless to the regime supporters and very helpful to the #1 enemy of the Eritrea and the Eritrean people currently working to destroy everything from the heart of the nation. You are running out of time, friend. Get your act together!! I kind of see you putting no pressure to stop those actively undoing Eritrea from inside and it would have required your attention to say the least.

          • Nitricc

            HI Thomas; hahahahah what is wrong with you? you said this to Bilink ” How do you think you are fighting the dictatorial regime in Eritrea if you are spending 24/7 insulting or attacking the Ethiopians visiting here” So, are you saying hayat is here as an Ethiopian visitor? lol you are an amazing person. So you are throwing your queen under the bus, huh? No one loves the weyane and the Ethiopians more than Thomas; what a lost soul.

          • Thomas

            Hi NItricc,

            To me the ethiopians visit awate forum are very peaceful and they have good intentions for both their country and ours. I know you are very naive about the line of thinking both people. Let me state this to you, those Ethiopian who might be very dangerous to Eritrea and her people NEVER visit Awate forum. The ethiopians who breath fire against Eritrea and her people are sitting with the dictator your worship. They are waiting for the clock alarm and to take over the Assab front. Everyone here knows you have green on the Ethio-Eri politics or history. We have seen the tplf-eplf relationships and where that ended up to be. The second chapter is the amhara, oromo and other Ethiopian ethnics with the Issayas regime. That is way progressive Eritreans like myself are alerting. We can smell the nasty smell and see the ugly stuff being cooked.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas; you are wrong in all account. There are many Ethiopian sites that I never visited but that doesn’t make me that I am all out against Ethiopia, no I am not. The different between you and me is that you place Eritrean interest and wellbeing of the people equal after the Ethiopian’s one. I can not do that. I have to look out for my country first and then I can extend my best intentions to my surroundings. Don’t you get a little envious how the Ethiopians defends their position and their country despite being they are the wrong once. They are the once keep attacking Eritrea. They are the once holding Eritrean land illegally. They are the once encouraging and bribing the corrupted African leaders to gang-up against Eritrea. They are the once who refused the respect the rule of law. Despite all that, the Ethiopians are in here defending the absolute criminality of their government; why can’t you stand up and defend your country?
            I have no problem with the Ethiopians what so ever but they must not attack my country. Regarding the ports, it was over when they declared it good for nothing but Camel’s water-hole. They lost big time and if they need any port, I guess they have to talk to the Arabs and let them worked out, Eritrea have nothing to do with it anymore. They tried to be cute and they lost big time.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Do you really believe yourself when you state, “The different between you and me is that you place Eritrean interest and well being of the people equal after the Ethiopian’s one.”. You have time and again insulted innocent young Eritreans who drowned in Lampadusa and calling them names such as cowards. You insulted all those Eritreans who became refuges (still seeking refuges status as I write this) in Ethiopia because their home country is made unlivable by them, by the dictator you seem to worship. You dare to tell me that “you place Eritrean interest and well being of the people”. Nitricc – fit to call yourself a sociopath.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas your love to weyane and Ethiopia is documented. I wouldn’t expect anything from you. Go ahead follow your queen and your stupid master YG and we shall see who is with the people, for the people to the people. I hate to tell you but you are nothing but a loser. Anyone who rejects its roots and comply with his people’s enemy is a loser; simple!

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            I don’t expect anything but character assassination from idiots of your kinds. I don’t blame you, if it anyone it is them NOT you. Your are only programmed to pronounce what they tell you, Mr. Pappagallo/parrot-fasioned:)

          • blink

            Dear Thoms
            Mention one insult that I made to Ethiopians?? Again describing Hayat and Abi behavior in this forum doesn’t count as an insult to All Ethiopians. Yes I love Ethiopian people but not cadre of EPRDF. No one hates the public in general where ever they are.

            Do you think you are opposing PFDJ by comments in this forum? If your answer is yes I think we have different understanding. You are demanding to let the defamatory comments go with out challenge, I am not alone on this , Every Eritrean from kisad Eika to meshalit see people like Hayat and Abi as people who don’t learn from their past history.

          • Thomas

            Selam Blink,

            I never said you are insulting all Ethiopians, but this is what I said, “How do you think you are fighting the dictatorial regime in Eritrea if you are spending 24/7 insulting or attacking the Ethiopians visiting
            here.”. There is a difference, you need to read what I wrote and respond accordingly.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Ok mention some of the insults I made to some Ethiopians visiting here ? If you think I am insulting Hayat, it means you need to define insult. From my perspective I am describing Hayat’s addictive behavior of lies . I am sorry if you think Hayat was right to make outlandish comments about ELF . For me ELF history is my history and it was made by brave men and women. You may think it was on the past ,but I do not believe these brave men and women has to be defamed by lies . These are Eritreans heroes and I think these who controls the past controls the future.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Please don’t take words out of my mouth. I never said you insulted Hayat. Hayat is an Eritrean because she talks and acts like an Eritrean; and I strongly believe she is a disappointed Eritrean, just like me. I trusted the EPLF/PFDJ and the result is what I see. I learned a lesson NOT trust anyone because they simply bluffed about Eritrea, be critical thinker and do the research that is needed to accuse or not anyone. No one is guilty until proved by the court.

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            Still you didn’t mention the insult I made about Ethiopians visiting this forum, I asked you to mention one . From my perspective Hayat is not Eritrean for me , I tell what I saw from all her comments about Eritreans and Eritrea.

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            Go and check your comments posted here and prove yourself. If calling someone a lair is not an insult, I cannot prove your claim. The derogatory phrases/sentences/words you post here are nothing but praising these people, right? Again, go and look your old comments. Great job let it be, my friend. Anyway, do you find them in your dictionary or search to find them online:)

          • blink

            Dear Thomas
            You accuse me of insulting and now you are asking me to bring prove for my own sentence to your own controlled court , what is going on. The plaintiffs have to bring prove of insulting but you are asking the defendant to bring a first hand evidence against his own an warranted accusation made by the plaintifs. 😱 This seems PFDJ OR EPRDF courts.
            Are we running some thing invisible or what ?
            The legality of your own court must be dismissed by the day goers and you must pay heavy price for defaming.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Hayat,

      You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Which one is it?

      You said ” the independence struggle was launched as one of the reasons that Ethiopia’s system was backward and feudalistic and Eritrea’s were by comparison (due to exposure to colonialism, protectorateship, and multiparty”

      And now you are saying “All and most of the lowlanders don’t.” with regards to Ethiopia being “backword and feudal”.

      You know as well as we do, that the Eritrean struggle for independence was started in the lowlands by the lowlands. If you say these people “all and most do not think “Ethiopia is feudal and backwords” then why do you say it’s one of the reason the “independence struggle” started.

      Berhe

  • Selam All,

    A series of reports are carried out by the guardian, which show that big tobacco companies (british american tobacco) are targeting third world countries, africa being among them. Advertisement of cigarettes and cigarette smoking in public places are prohibited in developed countries, and are causing decrease in its consumption.
    In countries like kenya, politicians are bribed so that cigarette control laws do not come to parliament, and therefore, children smokers are more than adults, and children have access to tobacco irrespective of age.
    Income from tobacco taxation is said to be vital to the economy, while the cost in human life, and hospitalization due to tobacco induced health problems, are completely ignored by corrupt politicians.
    Many years ago there was a picture in the media of young african at a beach in west africa, where a tobacco company was distributing free cigarettes. This shows the unethical way these multinationals are functioning in third world countries, and how corrupt african politicians are facilitating their job.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Horizon; Smoking is bad but not the worst. I do know about what you posted above but it gets worst especially for Africa. The truth is there are few drugs that are banned in the US due to high toxicity and extreme dangerous side effects that being sold in Africa under different name and brand. If you really know what is happening to Africa and her people, I don’t want to depress you. it is ugly!!!

      • Hi Nitricc,
        There was a report on drugs manufactured in india and exported to africa that were found to be substandard, even dangerous, or may not even work at all. I do not think that african countries have the means for quality control, and if the WHO is helping at all.
        As much as cigarette smoking is concerned, it is much easier for african governments to regulate the issue based on what others have done.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Forum,
    With the major powers like the US, France, Japan, and now China establishing their military bases in Djibouti, i think the security of little Djibouti is guaranteed, and no any other country can ever threaten the safety and security of Djibouti. Eritrea cannot have a dent into the security of Djibouti, but the regime in Asmara could use its border dispute with Djibouti as a clout and in order to put pressure on the major powers stationed in Djibouti such that the powers give more consideration to the wider and more significant conflict between Eritrea and Ethiopia. However, I know I’m dreaming, because it is very evident from the nature of the DIA regime so far, that it is content with the status quo of no war no peace, exploiting the situation for its own political and economic benefit at the expense of the Eritrean people in general.

    • Selam Abraham H.,

      Eritrea can bully and blackmail little djibouti, but not the world powers. Even the world powers do not always get what they want through the politics of blackmailing and bullying. The regime in asmara is simply showing its true face, that it is a rogue regime, which starts conflicts with all around it, and now by occupying a disputed area ignoring the UN decisions. The only thing it will succeed is another slap on the face with another sanction. The politics of the small roaring lion has always been the weakness of the regime. It never acted according to its real strength, so that the world community could take it into consideration.

      • Kalihari Snake

        Hi Horizon: Entirely ironic and hypocritical what you are saying while Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy Badme and large chunks of Somalia.

        • Hi K, Snake,
          You are becoming a liability rather than an asset for eritrea and even for the regime in asmara, when you are so much obsessed with badme and what you call the illegally occupied land. You want eritrea to end up damaged and consumed today by and for the sake of the final and binding agreement, so that she will not be able to survive the day and fight tomorrow, even though you see that the odds are against her for the time being. You should stop this day and night whining, because the future is ahead. You seem to be worried that the end of the world is going to come soon, before badme returns to eritrea. Let eritrea live today, so that she can have badme tomorrow.

        • Zara Yaqob

          አይ አሁንስ ተጨማለቅክ:: ሱማሌ ትላለህ እንዴ…

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Mahmud,
    Sorry for the late reply as I was out on field work.

    1. When I say most here look upon you, I wasn’t just singing a lyrical song to wax you. I mean in a real sense that you have paid dearly for Eritrea through blood and sweat. Both of us know why you did so. However, lowering yourself to a he-said and she-said will only make you look like either you didn’t know what you were fighting for or you’re having a buyer’s remorse. Rest assured that I know it is neither! So please consider that battles are not won by beating chests and slogans. But by brain and intelligence! Besides you should remember that there were some (if not more) Eritreans who believed in that system. Please consider that their only guilt should be attributed to the glaring fact that they didn’t consult the people of Eritrea of their plans to marry us with Ethiopia. They crow right now simply because we screwed it up again for failing to have a democratic system!!!

    2. Please I do not want to write about the Oromos or any other disfranchised group, for that matter, in Ethiopia. That is because I know that the oromos are not a monolithic group. Plus, their demands differ, from region to region. I know this because I grew up in their midst. Even then, you shouldn’t lose sleep over it because an old system is barely no more. The truth of the matter is that Eritrea is an independent country. Thus what the Oromos do or do not do should factor into our country building. …

    Time permits and I will add…

    Dis Donc

    • blink

      Dear Dic Dons
      First you said you don’t want to write about Oromo but you continue to write about them because you grow up with them . second you praise MS which is true to his character but you want him in return to shut his mouth and let others make lies about the things he held his whole lifel dearly. Do you take your view the best ever ??
      you want people like MS to stay away from educating young Eritreans by doing so you give a green light to filthy lairs. I find it simply inappropriate.

    • MS

      Selam Dis Donc
      I forgot to mention a couple of points in my previous rejoinders. Firstly, please think of me as any other participant. I have done any extraordinary thing for Eritrea. All of us, either through physical participation or other means contributed to the cause. I really don’t like it to be singled out as, you know, tegadalay. I wish the tegadelti were out of the picture, i wish were run by young and abled people like you… That’s my wish.
      Secondly, you may be young but are more intelligent and more knowledgeable (read: your first address to me). It’s all in your comments. One thing that bith of us share, in addition to a lot of ideas is music. As i understand it, you are a classical music guy, and I believe trained to be one before becoming an engineer. My ears are not refined for classical music, but I enjoy (and well play to myself) pop, rock, blues and some jazzy stuff). And you know the fact that people who appreciate music and arts would have made good ambassadors of humanity…
      I think we are talking past each other. The feudal and backward description was not mine; it was Hayat’s, and I was responding to her, summarized in my two previous posts. I have no recollection of myself initiating a conversation on Ethiopian matters; I respond when expert twisters are about to indulge in their “Eritrean Defaming Party”. I like spoiling their party. And it is easy to do so because we (the folks who respond to them) have facts, they don’t. And that’s why they have to resort to fabricating stories, creating villages that never existed, extrapolating data, making up false quotes and attributing them to one of our dearly respected hero, et cetera, et cetera. And to my credit, i am always aware of the difference between the elite class and the beautiful people and nation of Ethiopia…So, I don’t enjoy it, but I think appropriate and temeTaTagn response is not bad.
      Reading into your comment I sense you have a wrong picture about me.
      a/ I have the following about Eritreans who want UNION with Ethiopia. They have every right to seek that out. All I say is that they have to advance that idea on its merit, not by bashing (without providing a convincing argument) the choice the overwhelming majority of Eritreans made. They are fighting tooth and nail in order to materialize that on the ashes of Eritrea and its heroic quest for independence. I call upon them to be forward-looking. Either they should provide us with a compelling argument as to why we were wrong in taking the only available choice of fighting back annexation, or they should build their idea of Re-UNION on new developments. I think they can advance that idea on the basis of recognizing Eritreans right of self-determination, he blatant abuses they had suffered and the atrocities they had endured, which served the cause of their struggle. They can bring lofty ideals of connecting people and regions which has become a necessity for today’s global world. I will be there with them. But I can’t look the other way when their idea of reunion is build around the wronging of Eritreans. That is a double stabbing. First the systems whose legacy they are protecting pillaged and ravaged us, and now they are telling us we were to be blamed!!
      b/ On the unionists of the 40s and 50s of the last century: I have a different view and i tried to accentuate it in some of my Tigrigna articles. And here it is:
      – Unionists of the last century: What I criticize about them is the tactics they used to intimidate and eliminate nationalists; and the way they pushed Eritrea’s assimilation to Ethiopia disregarding the constitution and constituents they had promised and took oath to serve and protect. I don’t condemn them for wanting union. They had the right to wanting a union with Ethiopia as much as the fact that others too had other choices. Therefore, insinuating that I attack people for just wanting a union with Ethiopia is incorrect. All i’m saying is they still have the right to do so, but they must not cross some red lines including mocking Eritreans martyrs, our painful past, and our collective choice to have an independent country. When they do that, we will respond vehemently armed with data and facts. And for that we should not be blamed.
      -I have written that Komandos don’t represent our Christian segment; I have said that PFDJ does not represent that segment too, etc. So, for epopel who have followed me, I think it is obvious I’m not talking about people but about regimes, political systems and their entrenched belief systems which feature Eritrea in a distorted way.
      You wrote, “They crow right now simply because we screwed it up again for failing to have a democratic system!!!” They have the right to crow loudly, we are crowing too. The difference is: we (the defenders of independent Eritrea) see a clear chain of reaction, a cause and effect, if you will. We understand why we are under tyrannical regime. And since we know this was not the type of conclusion we set to make, we are fighting back to correct the course of our struggle. It is not unique to Eritreans. Africans paid heavily to decolonize from Europeans, they started on democratic footing (something they had hammered in Buckingham palace) but soon tworse military dictators populated the continent abolishing the democratic beginnings. They kept fighting and today they are at a better stage. Just consider Algeria who fought off French colonization and paid a million martyr, it had to go under the tyrant of the front that had led the fight for decades. The question should be: have Eritreans settled for the current states quo or not? If the answer is “no”, our story (journey) has not ended. If Eritreans were settled for the screwed up situation, they would be right to crow and screw up even more. But all the movements inside and outside the country suggest that ERitreans have long identified, this was not the end they had fought to materialize, and the fight continues. Mind you most of the neo-unionists are folks who failed to appraise the situation objectively. Some of them were part of the struggle. They first began getting disillusioned, then disgruntled, then they got really mad. As of now, their madness reached the borders of insanity. reason has escaped them. Instead of putting forward proposals that can help solve the problem, they have chosen on escapist strategy.
      2. The case of Oromo was brought to show that not all Ethiopians (in fact not the majority of Ethiopians) accept the 3000 years, let alone Eritreans. If you grew up in Oromo, you must have heard of the stories of MINILIK demolishing Oromo traditions and conquering their lands. Other nationalities do have the same stories.
      I thank you again. Sorry for the length of the reply, i’m in a hurry and am just scribbling what’s flowing in my head.

      • Zara Yaqob

        Hi Mahmud,

        I always scratch my head when folks talk about a 3000 year myth. It is a well known historical fact that the kingdom of Axum goes all the way back to 100 A.D. Which makes it 1900 years from today. And before Axum, there was the Kingdom of Dmt that was established about 1000 years before Axum. That would make it 2900 years from today. I don’t think you’re contesting those historical facts and timeline when you call it a myth. So I’m thinking that the reason you reject it as a myth is because you don’t consider these kingdoms as part of Ethiopian as well as Eritrean history. Am I right ?

        Zarayaqob

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Zara Yaqob,

          What is the kingdom Dmt? What” Dmt ” stand for, if it is an acronym? I am just curious to know it,

          Regard

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Zara Yacob,

          Sorry, I get it. Below is a link from Wikipedia. Very interesting it goes back to the 10th century BC. The kingdom was located in Eritrea and northern part of Eritrea. Thank you for bringing up as our history.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%CA%BFmt

          Regards
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Amanuel,

            I agree, we have a very interesting and rich history. Infact Eritreans should even be more prouder to this history since the epicenter of Kingdom of Dmt and Axum is closer to their region. Yet we have some Eritrean folks mocking this history. I dont think its from ignorance as this history can be easily looked up and verified as you just did. I thought there was more to this rejection and mockery. Hence my query to Mahmud to understand the context. Ive noticed blink mocking it too so maybe he can also educate me on it.

            Zarayaqob

        • MS

          Selam
          Thanks for the reply. I think we have to differentiate the historicity of ancient civilizations and the contemporary political map of the world. I’m closer to Aksum’s civilization than some one who hails from the South of Ethiopia, in terms of cultural affinity and geographical proximity, and particularly if you consider its connection to the Red Sea crossing Eritrean plateau. So, there is no reason for me to try to dismiss this, and I’m not doing it.
          Here is the point: those civilizations did not have stability, continuity, defined geopolitical map, etc. They expanded and contracted. They changed hands and allegiances, sometimes trading off lands and peoples, the last one was minilik’s forfeiture of claim over Eritrea (a deal he made with Italy)…etc. The other point is that empires and civilizations sprang all over the world. The modern concept of countries as a sovereign geopolitical entities is new. Hence, Italy can’t argue that lands that ancient Roman empire controlled belongs to it; or Iraq can’t argue that its borders stretch to the Mediterranean Sea based on its Mesopotamian civilization. The Greeks can’t do so. The sudanese can’t do so based on their Mereoe civilization, etc.
          So, I’m not arguing against the existence of Aksum civilization and its subsequent ups and downs, but the claim that Ethiopia, as we know it today, incorporating Eritrea, existed in its modern form since that time. I don’t need to tell you on how modern Ethiopia took its current geopolitical shape. In short, Ethiopia assumed its current geopolitical shape at the same time that Eritrea was taking its shape under Italians.
          So, the civilization is ours. And the bitterness that has been created by the independence of Eritrea is a temporary hiccup. With cool heads and strategic thinking, Aksum and other civilization centers that scatter around the region including highland Eritrea and the coastal lines could serve for good purpose. That is possible only if we respect the choices both peoples make. Aksum and the rest of ancient civilizations of this region should not be used to advance an expansionist and hegemonic policy. That’s all what I’m trying to say.

          • Zara Yaqob

            Hi Mahmud,

            Thanks for explaining. I think I understand where you’re coming from. I gotta say though, that by going this far into reconstructing history in order to maintain a political narrative you also run the risk of losing all the credibility of the very political narrative you are trying to protect. Ill give you an example from my personal experience. During my early 20s, I had what one would call a crisis of faith, losing my belief in God and religion alltogether. I started hanging out with non religious folks, the atheists, agnostics and whatnots who made a sport out of lampooning everything about religion and God. After a while though I started to notice that most of the stuff they were making fun of was either out of pure ignorance or because they have some personal ax to grind with God. More so with personal issues with God. The more I started to notice this motivation, the more I started to question their overall narrative. In fact I was so turned off by this that it created the reverse effect of drawing me closer to God and I started reading more about my religion. What Im trying to say is that there is a risk in going out broke to maintain a narrative. This includes the risk of losing the same people you are trying to make an impression on. Any religious or political narrative has got to be as closer to the truth as possible. The further it diverts away from it, the higher the possibility that it loses all its credibility and crumbles apart. If a young Eritrean goes around making fun of this history after looking at the comments of some impressionable person on this site and realizes that one day he has been mocking and laughing at his own history then you can imagine how he lashes back at the very ideal of those who misled him in the first place.

            Zarayaqob

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Zara Yaqob: You are on a website where Ethiopians ( mainly TPLF adherents) are slinging mud at Eritreans and you then wish to pretend to ‘genuinely’ delve into history shared by both Ethiopia and Eritrea. Real smart! Maybe while you are at it, you can try to convince Ethiopia’s Oromos, Somalis and those from Gambella that they also share that rich history.

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Mahmud,

        Due to time contraint, I stopped reading after the following line,… ”I have not done any extraordinary thing for Eritrea….” Let me ask you this; how many of your former colleagues would say that? very few who frequent this site… you, Aman, Ishmail, Johar, Khokeb. The rest are here to let us know that they bled and sweat more than the rest of us and we should be kept as their servants/hostage.

        That shows the kind of person you are!!! No need to add….really. In Spanish there is a saying, as follows. Pocos son de acero, pues los de más son de madera….

        Time permits I will be backl in September…. Ciao until then…

        Dis Donc

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam MS,

        But Menelik was half-Oromo.

        Have you heard of the Oromo migration from North Kenya?

        How about Yemesafint Zemen [the Era of the Princes]? During this era, the Oromo were king makers. Then, after a gap of few decades of interruption [Tedros and Yohannes] the Oromo came back to power through Menelik, Iyasu, Zewditu and Teferi [Haile Selassie] whose mother was Yeshiemebet Ali [a Muslim Oromo woman].

        History can rarely be put into very neat pigeonholes.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Mahmuday,

    One who does not believe on the atrocities that had befallen to our people by the two Ethiopian regimes, can not be from the Eritrean blood, who have no choice except to fight back to restore their dignity.

    • Thomas

      Hi Amma,

      Would you mind explaining who is to give or take someone’s identity? Correct me if I mistaken, but I think I heard you stating Issayas is an Eritrean and that cannot be questioned? However, I don’t have to mention that he has committed series crimes. Can you conclude that he is not an Eritrean and if he wanted to restore his identity, can he be given a chance to fight back?

      How about those all “espas”, “wedo gebas”, “milisha Sirnai” people, do they have Eritrean blood or they need to fight back to restore their Eritrean blood? I think NO one has the power to revoke or restore and do anything with someone’s identity. Identity is just a born thing, but if you are talking about a citizenship that would be another subject? I don’t think it was your choice to be come an Eritrea. You became an Eritrean because you are born from Eritrean parents and IN ERITREA.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Thomas,

        (a) If someone is an Eritrean no one will give him/her or take away his/her nationality or identity.

        (b) Issayas is an Eritrean who happen to be a tyrant criminal.

        (c) I do not know why this simple and basic question you asked me. The rest of your comment I will leave it to rethink about it.

    • blink

      Dear Mr. Amanuel
      You have fought for justice and you have closed the first chapter , yet I am sorry to tell you that the young (like me ) are missing the basic ingredients to get justice in the middle of this all second process of democratization. as you know we are being pushed by PFDJ and unionists to forget our forefathers bravery and by that eliminate our dignity. But thanks to people like you ,we are caching up slowly but surly and we will not be silenced any more. Keep the good fight.

    • michelda

      Hi all,
      Any atrocities by Ethiopians pales in comparison that the pfdj has done to Eritrea people.

  • Berhe Y

    Dear MS,

    I just hope you do reconsider and become a leader.

    “I don’t do it for augmenting followers, and I have no intention of becoming a leader of some sort.”.

    Berhe

    • MS

      Selam BerheY
      It is your time my friend. Kabay si Adi we’Eilka!! Thanks, though.

      • Nitricc

        The greatest, Mahmuday; you said ” It is your time my friend” Hell, NO! The next Eritrean leader must be, who appreciates the past, who faces the present and who acts for the future. no offense but you friend Berhe is not one of them.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Nitricc,
          So you think you can contribute ideas to a discussion on the quality of leaders?
          I read somewhere: if there are 10 random group of people, 8 of them tend to follow, 1 tends to lead and the other one is not interested in either. Let’s not change this composition and borrow 2 more to the group and make them 12. All this is to open up one left out category in the classification of character tendencies. So, now we can say: of the 12, one of them tends to be a natural spoiler and that spoiler has one loyal follower. You are that follower.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hayat; I know you suffer from double adversary, one from African mentality and worst from Dedebit ideology but how can you lead with out being a follower first? can you teach without going to school?
            Dedebit is always a dedebit.

          • blink

            Dear Nitricc
            Do not forget ,she will lead the villages she manufactured. You know she made villages in her lies list just from her pocket just like the money she said was given.

          • Hayat Adem

            blink,
            Don’t you get tired of it at all? Your ego and pride is hit hard because you thought I had no evidence for the money figure and you kept on opening your mouth. And then you were in to embarrass yourself in front of the world when I produce the Eritrean bank officials openly admitting to recieving money at the early days. That left you in incurable anger and there is nothing we can do to help you.
            One more point to drive home: about that village… probably you may know more Eritrean villages than me, and that is a good thing. But I don’t create villages are the facts/events that happened in those villages. Even if I had the name of the village right, it doesn’t necessarily say validate the events. I could still be wrong. The main point here is if i had a source and if my source was good enough to be used as a reference. The answer to both points is “Yes”, without a doubt. Could my source still have gotten it wrong? Maybe. Maybe misspelled it or maybe misnamed it or may have been misled himself altogether.
            When SGJ hinted his doubts the existence of such a village, what did I do? I was possible for me to continue referring to my source and left it there as a parallel truth. But I didn’t want to do that. Acknowledging the tremendous knowledge SGJ has about the areas i was talking about, I retracted that piece of information and told you all that I may have had that wrong. That is what sensible people do. I try hard not to make a mistake and when I feel i did one, I acknowledge and redress.
            You have been lying to and misfeeding with every submission of your comments. Have you ever retracted or corrected any of them? Never. You move on from one to another. That is because your lies don’t come as a mistake. They are intent-based and you will have no purpose here if you divorce your lies and misinfos. That is the difference, my friend.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            Again you are doubling your lies the official from Eritrean bank said nothing about your claims, so do make another blank lie.
            On the villages you make lies as if you think you will lie as usual. You lost it Hayat. You have one choice and that is to change your Nick name and act like new guy from south but to help your new friends, do not repeat your lies ever.

          • Hayat Adem

            blink,
            You don’t need to be timid if you want be thankful to the PFDJ. You can thank them for that and other things. I will always curse them and fight them. They are the gravity of all sins and they can only attract sinners.
            i must have done something to you. you are beyond repair and you will be pained everything you see me commenting and I will always smile thinking how you would be feeling about it. if that is not a motivator to stay around, then i don’t know what can be!

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            I am not thanking them, you clever. I am saying that they have sent Eritreans from early age to work for their crony companies all over the country under iron stick. Don’t you think you wanted such words to bail you out from your false beliefs that, if you accused me of such ( PFDJISTA) and will let you go on with your lies.

            I have never ever praised PFDJ all my life, I despise them to the end but I don’t trade Eritreans heroes with you in order to get your voice.

          • Hayat Adem

            blink,
            What is itching you from inside? How many times did you throw that word “lie”, “liar”, “lying”? The repition is interesting. Psychologists would say senseless repetition of words might be a sign of some sort of, internal imbalance, anxiety or desperation. What could be yours?
            Once up on a time, in one of my comments, I said i disfavor that word called “lie”. I even appealed to the Awate Team to ban that word. This is because it kills my appetite to be part of an intellectual discussion. Mistakes are regrettable but normal. Lies maybe okay around loyal cadres and cheap politicians but they are taboo in amony independent thinkers in an intellectual atmosphere. So, I really disfavor the word ibeing carelessly thrown in this forum. And I expressed so in one of the days when I heard it from someone whom I thought knows better.
            You noticed this. Now, you being so cheap and desperate, you are throwing it desperately between each single word thinking the dosage would do some miracles to tame me through over killing. Oh.. little did you know, my friend, such hopes and efforts futile.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            You take yourself as intellectual , you must be sitting at a long chair that your foot can not reach the ground.

            Here is the truth about you” you are no one, to be exact you are as I repeatedly told you a “lair.”
            Ultimately, making this type of distinction may not be that useful. Because in either case, the outcome is typically the same :dealing with a compulsive or pathological liar is very difficult to do.
            And like any behavior which provides comfort and an escape from discomfort (i.e., alcohol, drugs, name it.,), lying can become addictive and hard to stop. For the compulsive liar, lying feels safe and this fuels the desire to lie even more.
            The thing is Hayat your character fits to a very worrying nature of some sort ,Making matters even more complicated, compulsive lying is often a symptom of a much larger personality disorder, which only makes the problem more difficult to resolve, I believe I can’t help you either but I and many have to confront your systemic failure in your own life in this forum.

            You want the word lie to be banned in this forum so that you can ride as you wish like manufacturing villages, number and events , oh you are simply irresponsible to your self , please help yourself by going to specialists of such problematic behavior.

          • Kebessa

            Selam blink,
            Give Hayat some slack. If she is no one, why are you putting so much fighting effort? I believe SJ and others corrected her on mis-naming the village and she accepted, as I understand it. What is the point of bringing it up over and over?

          • blink

            Dear kebesa
            She is a compulsive lair that is why . I don’t believe she accepted SG correction either if she does, she should have edited all her lies but she did not do that, she was in arm setbrasho with the bigoted sahay on demonizing ELF. If you don’t want to read the exchange you can jump to other people’s comments, but to tell you the truth I have been looking to her consistent lying about Eritreans heroes and that is a red a line for me that I never intend to forget.

          • Hayat Adem

            blink,
            “You take yourself as intellectual , you must be sitting at a long chair that your foot can not reach the ground.”
            Well, I think I am, both by conviction and certification. And, if you decide to write that off from your knowledge, I am afraid I might kill myself.
            You are so funny. Who was the who said every village has its own idiot? We don’the seem to be lucky in some others but I think we have more than our share on that front.
            We might be boring others with this back and forth of no worth. So, don’t you think better we call it a day! You can come back to it next day if you want.
            Cheers,
            Hayat

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            As I have told you earlier, a compulsive lair is hard to deal, I gave you three advice.
            1. Change your nickname and come like your peers.
            2. Go to specialists in order to get help for your addictive behaviors of lying .
            3. Get down from that chair of idiotism that blinded you as an intellectual property of lying .

            I felt something wasn’t right when I first read your comments in this forum and tend to follow your behavior in line with compulsive lair , I felt like you were a player. But it turned out so much worst than that. You lied about EVERYYHING. You did the half truth thing just to mislead people and it was an act .
            These all being said , again you are no one than a serial lair that go on to manufacture villages, numbers and events.
            It is possible to get a compulsive liar to change, but she/he’s going to have to be confronted over and over with the truth of his or her lying ways, and it’s going to be a long, systematic, and strategic process. I tend not to do that as you are lair on intent.
            From there I began to weave into conversations (in appropriate contexts) that you have a demonstrated history of not telling the truth, just to reinforce that I don’t automatically buy everything you say about any thing in connection to Eritreans history.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Blink: Sorry but I have to correct you in that Hayet Adem is a pathological liar rather than a compulsive liar. Pathological liars lie with what might be called “intent”. They have a clear purpose or aim they hope to achieve through lying. They can be manipulative and cunning and normally care little for the opinions or feelings of others. Pathological liars simply want things their own way. A compulsive liar on the other hand is someone who has little or no control over the lies he or she tells. Lying, for them, is habitual and constant. They may lie about anything and in any situation. They lie to avoid the truth, perhaps because they find telling the truth uncomfortable.

          • blink

            Dear KS
            Well compulsive and pathological lairs cross over many times and sometimes it is very hard to differentiate them if the Topic is like historical events like this person on Topic, she lie on daily basis especially when it comes to Eritrea But you may be right when the world intent is the focal point your correction is taken.
            Did you believe Isaias lies ? I mean to advance his political capital , as I have no knowledge of him lying to his wife and I can’t accuse him of that due luck of evidence. But on the political capital, I swear with my life he lied million times.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Blink: I guess we will have to consider Haya Adem as a hybrid ‘all-around’ type of liar. In regards to your question does Isaias lie? Certainly he does and I consider him to be a pathological liar which is common in the mindset of dictators.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam blink,
            .
            You seem to use a lot of psychological terms. I am assuming you have a B.S from an American University, a B.S framed and kept on your living room wall.
            .
            You stated…”:dealing with a compulsive or pathological liar is very difficult to do.”
            You added ” ..lying can become addictive and hard to stop. For the compulsive liar, lying feels safe and this fuels the desire to lie even more”.
            .
            “Personality disorder” Wow! Wow, .. Besmeab Wold Menfes Qidus.
            .
            Where is Abi, when you need him?
            I said, where is Abi when you need him?
            .
            blink, I only need one very simple question answered and nothing more. If go off in tangent or say more using terms I quoted, that will only lead to a bad conclusion.
            You see, I took Psychology 101, a long time ago. I seem to remember a term ” PROJECTION”.
            Can you tell me what it means, please be specific and short.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            Indeed, where is Abi?. It is a known fact that Gonderes can be as stubborn as a mule, but they are at the right place, at the right time whenever required. His queen is attacked on all sides, her crime being her independent mind.
            This is the right time that he comes out dressed with his war uniform, carrying his ‘ጋሻ’ and ‘ጦር; and shouting his war cry ‘ዘራፍ ለንግሥቴ’.
            Democracy… a word so common and yet so meaningless. This is indeed the age of ‘either you are with us or with the enemy’. It is the new democracy, as proved over the last month… everybody is entitled to his opinion, nevertheless there will be one and only one opinion, which is their opinion. Otherwise, they will crush not only her ideas, but mainly her personality. Be sure, many are in this scheme. The famous hadi hizbi and hadi libi under the gun still rules their world.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            Yes I could say a lot about what we Shoa native sons used to say about the Gonderes. (pride and stubbornness) However, since we all became Amharas now, I will not perpetuate it any longer.
            .
            The slogan hadi hizbi –hadi libi, the sure way to shut the unofficial line is the method used, including intimidation when possible and insults in these types of forums as conditions permit.
            Some of the foot soldiers living in Europe and the U.S are the tools the upper echelon use to advance their project. Haile T.G used to call them Kebero Junkies, I think. So true, insensitive and clueless.
            .
            I sometimes wonder what the under 30s Eritreans, who most likely are the majority in Eritrea, believe as to where their problems and hardships emanates from. I venture to speculate that even under all this propaganda and baptism, these folks understand and know the causes and the responsible party.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Horizon: Maybe Abi is now imprisoned with the thousands of others from Gondar that have been locked up during Ethiopia’s State of Emergency. By the way, will the State of Emergency be renewed at the end of this month?

          • Hi K. Snake,
            Let me ask you one question. Can you travel beyond 25 km outside Asmara, without a special permit? What do you call this? Is it any different from a state of emergency, simply because you do not call it so? Travel restrictions occur only in a police state.
            By the way why do you ask when the state of emergency is going to end? Do you have any plan to travel to ethiopia?

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Horizon: Eritrea is not in a State of Emergency for it is in a State of War due to Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Badme and constant small-scale military offensives which it launches.

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            I actually like abi than most of you because sometimes he is funny but I reject his general insult on us. How about you ?? Tell me what is your take on the Gonder guy ?? Is he from Gonder ?? I tend not to believe that until his Eritrean wife tell me I have to group him with you , the only difference is you don’t insult Eritreans in general.

          • Selam blink,
            It is nice that you like Abi more than you like most of us, because he deserves it, and I personally like him a lot.
            Does it really matter if he is from gonder or not? It could be that it is us who call him gondere, and he might not have said he is. They are all the same, ethiopians, whether they are called gonderes, gojjames, oromos, tigres, afars, somalis, gurages, and all the rest.
            His words are not worse than the words uttered by some of your people. Nevertheless, I disagree completely with demeaning social groups, wherever it might come from.

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            Yes you are right, it makes no sense if he is from Oromo, Amhara …. but it matters to him may be. So why were you and Kim calling for his witty comments at the center of my exchange with your queen? I am mean she can probably make them herself and she is doing it.

            You also stated that we are (Eritreans) up in arms against her !! I have to tell you that I have no knowledge of that, as I make my comments independently the others also do it the same way. We read her comments and reply , that is all.

          • Hayat Adem

            hi Horizon,
            blink thinks he has found his purpose. It is not stimulating and productive at all but I am okay with blubberingsome engagement. I would have loved the Luel Ras was around for other bigger reasons. blink is nothing.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            Abi is not around and you missed his insult to Eritreans it is your number one goal.
            Continue your lying.Go manufacture villages and numbers , you are good at your addiction.

          • blink

            Dear K.M
            If you think I have B.S in psychology I tend not to educate someone who took psychology 101. FYI ,I am not in to social science but I learned to do my research up front when something looked/seemed suspicious. After my suspicions were confirmed ,I choose to confront point by point. That is all nothing more nothing less.

  • Selam Semere T.,

    Thank you for this broad explanation of the possible nature of future relations between the two countries. I could gather the following informations from your comment:

    1) The divorce, and the way the divorce was carried out, have infuriated ethiopians to such an extent that it blocks the way to any rapprochement. It is true that the way the divorce was carried out (landlocked ethiopia) and not the divorce itself (eritrean independence), I think, is what will remain in the ethiopian psyche as the biggest betrayal. The two fronts, tplf and eplf are equally to blame for that. It is the wall of contention the two fronts built so that there will never be peace and harmony between the two people.

    2) Security protection from arab countries and social, cultural and economic assimilation with arab countries. This I think is easily said than done. The relation is going to be a master – subordinate relationship, and never a relation between equals. I do not know how much easy it will be for the christian eritreans to assimilate into the arab culture, and if they can easily accept to be a minority with an uncertain future. Lowland-muslim eritreans, on the other hand, may find it easy to undergo this social and cultural assimilation, nevertheless, I find it difficult to say the same thing for highland-christian eritreans. In addition, it is wrong to say that ethiopia is the only culprit for the situation in eritrea today. I would say that the regime holds the key to the situation in eritrea and not really ethiopia. If badme is the only thing that can set eritrea in motion, then I personally find difficult to believe this scenario.

    3) No peaceful relations between the two countries as long as the tigrigna speakers are at the helm of power. It is a must that either the amaras or the oromos should be at the helm of power in ethiopia, is equivalent to revising your stand on the amharas, whom you fought for thirty years to get rid of them. Moreover, I am not sure if this is an indirect way of saying, get rid of the tigrayans in ethiopia from power. On the contrary, you do not seem to say if the tigrigna hegemony in eritrea should be replaced with another political formation. Rather you want only one side of the equation to change. What ethiopians are dreaming of is a faceless ethiopian government without a label attached to it, because this was and is the major problem in ethiopian politics. I think that things are going in that direction, with tplf’s power dwindling with time and diverse forces coming to the ethiopian political landscape, and ethiopia may reach an equilibrium that would work for her

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Semere T,

    This is an excellent analysis.

    I agree with #1 and #2, and I kind of agree with #3. The reason I “kind of” with 3 is that

    1. if 1 and 2 are true, then the potential for a “peaceful leadership” may not exist regardless of ethnicity. There is the risk that in the absence of TPLF and like minded leaders the remaining may become tempted to “undo the damage TPLF did” and correct the “unjust and unlawful separation of Eritrea from its motherland.”

    2. It assumes there is or there will be a peace loving leadership on the Eritrean side.

  • Haile S.

    Dear MS,
    Allow me to highlight a single sentence that summarizes for me your well articulated argumentation; “I don’t believe the bridges between the two people should be build on the rubble of Eritrea.”
    Best

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Haile S.,
      .
      I am confident you will agree with me if I say….I don’t believe the bridges between the two people should be built on the rubble of Ethiopia. If you agree, I will consider that as a normal sentiment.
      .
      Allow me to exaggerate and extend the logic and belief that is being advanced in general.
      Let us one day I break all the rules of Awate and step out of common sense, became an Ethiopian Nitrricc and make the following declarative statement.
      .
      .
      {The physical appearance of Eritreans is nothing to brag about. In fact most of them are ASQEYAMI and repulsive to look at. Their small frame and their features is like no other. They look freakish to me. How can they live with themselves, don’t they have a mirror.}
      .
      .
      An Eritrean reading this statement from me must focus on the obvious and directly challenge the attack. Wouldn’t you assume a normal Eritrean would say:
      Hey Mr. K.H we look exactly like your people DNA and all, what gives? Are you out of your mind?
      .
      All I am trying to say and make it be remembered, is that when you point your index finger at one or the other don’t forget the 3 fingers are pointing back at you. That is what is being lost in all these pseudo intellectualism.
      .
      Mr. K.H

      • Kalihari Snake

        Hi Kim Hanna: Not to spoil your party but most Ethiopians do not look like Eritreans; more than 2/3 of Ethiopia’s population does not fit the Habesha mold. Ethiopianists here, especially YG Parrothead followers, wish to depict Ethiopians and Eritrean the same. Eritrea has been an independent sovereign country for 24+ years running and still there are those that simply do not accept the fact that Eritrea will never ever be joined with Ethiopia.

      • Haile S.

        Dear Kim Hanna,
        I replied to you. My response is pending Awate’s approval. Don’t see the reason why.

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Mahmud,

    I know I am way younger and less educated than you and you should not take what I am about to write as offense. Considering how far you have swung it should not come as a surprise to you that many here hold you with great esteem. Let me begin by saying avoid the following:

    – Feudal and backward Ethiopia: we like it or not we were all feudals and backwards at one time or another. We some how bettered our surroundings through Italian colonialism. I don’t want to tell you what this makes us look! However, through colonialism we learnt and developed to adhere to our democracy, freedom, and our liberty. Not even independence because through it all we were colonial subjects. It were these values that the Ethiopian leadership not just took them away from us but then again and again denied us. Hence the struggle! Not because we did not want to be with the feudal and backward Ethiopians. That is why I keep on saying that the beginnings of our struggle was justifiable and justified. And believe me, you will garner many followings on both sides of the mereb as well as foreign governments.

    – 3000 yrs history or habeshanism: you see many countries, in fact every country, have been built upon myth, tradition, and oral history. These entail national security purposes. Of the many: to explain how countries came to be, to teach lessons or values of given society and country, to unify a group or define a group’s identity, to explain social or religious rituals, etc. So evertime you belittle, or clap for those who do so, you are offending others of their heritage and religious rituals. We all know that the mere mentions of The Noble Quran, in an offensive way, brings mayhem. Thus we should accord them the same way you want to be accorded with. Moreover, we chose, in plebiscite, not to be a part of that; the least we should do is that we should not make the demise of their history our national security survival slogan. In addition, writing bad about them will have very bad consequences, for Eritrea itself!

    Dis Donc

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam DD,

      I can only say well said. It is sad to see the Ethio-Eritrean politics can not mature out from boasting and demeaning each other.

      Regards

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Amman,
        I admire your silence in most subjects that you hold dear: I show-up once in a while and I see people griping about their country. That is natural and healthy. And they should! My only regret is that they are not allowed to do their gripping in house of congress or parliament. Including Gheteb, Nit, Hayat, Mr. Muzika, etc.

        Although, I am not offended in any way, with what gets written, I find it sad and disheartening that we lack the maturity to see and learn from our host countries. That is for those of us who are lucky to be living in the west. To top it all, we still learnt nothing after so much sacrifices (both away and home) that we have made individually as well as collectively.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam DD,

          You are right, I am disappointed by the current discourse of our politics. I can not even finish my two articles I promised to write about to this forum. It does not encourage you, rather it shuts your moods to everything.

          Regards

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat:-

            No ,, don’t give up !! “ገድሊ ማለት ገደል– ካብ ቃልሲ ምህዳም በደል” I hope,, since you were in tough times in proper position –I will never think you will give up now..

            Regards,

            KS,,

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Aman,

            I second Kokhob’s advice. The minute you start to allow your resolve weaken in a challenging world, it is the first step to indifference that usually ends up in withdrawal. KS is right when he wrote those telling few words in Tigrigna. So, do not give up and finish what you intended to do.

            I agree that it is sometimes annoying when a few of us try to use the noble mission of this forum to massage own egos and digress from important issues that deserve space and attention to trivial and side issues. I have witnessed such moves in the past few days, which render one unwilling to be swayed and join the useless exchanges. Just one person sits and floods the forum with comments that have no relevance to the thread under discussion.

            One could of course understand why the moderators use the very minumum of their prerogatives to harness those who go out of the parameters of decent engagements and try to hinder focused debates.

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi Aman

            Evil triumphs when good men stay silent… I do not know who said that but it fits the moment. Your silence will mean the triumph of evil on the Eritrean politics.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Haile Zeru,

            Brother, though disappointed by the current discourse of our politics, I will not go away until our youth take the stock of our nation. I will be back on the subject I hold dear – on institutional governance that gives fairness to our diversity. Freedom without fairness and justice does amount nothing to our people. Until we built institutions that respond to all the grievances that exist today, the Eritrean unity is always at risk. That is how I understand politics. When we engage on good politics with respect and dignity, we will strengthen our unity. And keeping constant the hardworking nature of our people, we will also repair the dilapidated nation of ours.

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Haile S.

            Hi Haile Zeru,
            Great fitting quote. As per the dictionary of quatations, this is generally attributed to Edmund Burke, but no proof he said it. While checking this, I found one quote of his worth mentioning, in no way targetting Emma, I must precise, since we are talking of him.
            “It is a general popular error to imagine the loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for its welfare.”

    • MS

      Selam DD and Emma
      I read you and I wish everyone were treated fairly. This type of criticism should be shared by all of us. My reasoning is outlined in a response I made to Dis Donc, which has been pending for hours now.
      Thanks again.

    • Kalihari Snake

      Hi Dis Donc: In a benignly cruel manner, many commenters here are now living in the same western countries (i.e. U.S.A.) which have supported Ethiopia’s free hand to do anything that it wishes to Eritrea such as refusal to accept the EEBC ruling, and have clearly manipulated the U.N. security council apparatus to unfairly apply sanctions on Eritrea and to economically isolate it.

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Kalihari,

        I wish the Ethiopians leave Badme (or the others) but what is stopping us from nation building? I wish the US does not manipulate the UN but to what purpose do you think it does that? Eritrea has nothing it can offer to the US; save a democratic system. They do not want to talk to IA and his click. That, you can not force them to. They would rather want to talk to another person, party, or group that is elected by the people. That is how you win battle!! That is what you are missing and that is how the world works. Crying day and night for the world to change for us will not bring about solution to our problem. Rather, we should change ourselves to fit inito the current world reality! While we can talk about the rule of law, all we want, the fact is that it lacks subtance when we have none to show for it. None of the people that is in the leadership now has ever exericised rule of law! Thence, where did we get the experience about rule of law that we lecture them about the very same laws that they invented?

        A quarter a century is wasted on nothing! Except only desperate inmigrants who by hook or crook get to western nations demand about rule of law. How about we fix our house first!?

        • Kalihari Snake

          Hi Dis Donc: Thank you for your much amalgamated and slightly convoluted response. You say that Rule of Law lacks substance when we have nothing to show for it. Sorry but Rule of Law always maintains substance and must always be respected and upheld. We should never condone totally unfair and unlawful actions of the U.S.A., Ethiopia, and the U.N. Security Council against Eritrea, simply because they have been able to do it without repercussion. You cannot leave a neighborhood bully forever going around and beating everyone up simply because he can.

    • Nitricc

      Hey DD; Reading your post, I can’t help it but to think, tell me why I need to live with the Ethiopians? Eritrea wedged 30 years of bloody war and the issue is solved once for all. The Ethiopians have their country and Eritrea do the same, why is all this unnecessary and distractive back and forth? If the Ethiopians respect Eritrea and Eritrea respect Ethiopia then let have a normal relationship like any other country; why are we wasting our time looking at the past while we are ignoring the future. I really don’t care what the Ethiopians think and I do, let’s keep our sanity and let’s us concentrate on our own issue and country. Leave Ethiopia and to the Ethiopians.

  • Nitricc

    Hayat; please don’t play dumb game.my name is not Abraham or Thomas. you said, ” If you describe a person you have never met or have no knowledge about as an old and liar, you are the first person who publicly and openly lies while calling another person a liar”
    well, you opened your big and deceptive mouth. You told us that you used to kick it with Kiross Alemayo, and I did my calculation and I found you to be a very old woman. Your problem is, you find it so easy to fool the fools in here and you are surprised because someone figured you out. Yes, do the numbers. how long have been since kiross died? how old was upon his death? ummmmm bingo!
    by the way, There is nothing to be old but the problem is you are disgraced old woman. you lied about your religion, you lied about your name, you lied about where you belong, you lied about your country. you are nothing but a disgraced and certified old woman liar. I rather be a Ghetto boy that an old and miserable disgraced liar anytime! Act your age and stop being a disgraced lair.

    • Hayat Adem

      Well Nitricc,
      You are so typical ghetto boy and have no interest in saving yourself at all. Now, what is this PFDJ regime reduced to? When you consider the people who support them, the quality human resource surrounding them is unbelievably bankrupted to become a ghetto Front beyond repair: look at them: K Snake, Nitricc, KBT.. well, I always think SemereT is where he should never be. But , generally, what happened to the Front’s agility?
      PS: ot that what Nitricc said above bothers me or has any truth at all..but I will use him to make another bigger point. For those who came late to the Forum, Nitricc of course is lying about what he is saying regarding me and the great Tigrigna artist Kiros Alemayehu. He is an icon I would have been proud to have met or be associated with, though. I would be the happiest person to have had a face time with Kiros. I have met older artists than Kiros Alemayehu. I am known and connected to many Eritrean artists from the old generation. All I know about Kiros is through another veteran celebrated artists, older than Kiros at that. I had a special interest in documenting Tigrigna art history. A projected that remained frozen after a lot of efforts were put onto it. I was closely spending time to the last survivors of MatA. I had tight days with Mmhir Asres including in his last days at home and in the USA. I was and close to all the ghedli and non-ghedli artists. And yet, those relations would never tell you anything about me, be it age or otherwise, beyond whatever I want and let you to know.
      Openly lying has never been a bad value to such people. And they don’t feel ashamed or cheap when they do that; and when they keep on repeating that hoping they can fool one or two people innocent late comers. When they go low, we go high! Someone here in this forum called them newramat!

      • Kalihari Snake

        Hi Hayat Adem: Just wanted to let you know that when it comes to pathological liar treatment, that psychotherapy can sometimes help. However, a problem with trying to treat people such as yourself that are pathological liars, is that often you won’t or can’t admit that you have issues with telling the truth whereas a ‘normal’ person knows when he or she has lied. Maybe if you chew a lot more khat it might help. At this stage, I would give anything a try if I were you.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Hayat Adem,
        .
        I hope the effort and work on your project continues in multiple venues. Who knows one day a connecting treasure trough, unexpectedly drops and shines through out.
        .
        I have a specific inquiry about a specific artist and a specific song that was popular on Ethiopian Radio in the 60s. It usually played several times in September. This melodious song, with that striking voice, was imprinted in my brain.
        It was in Tigrigna (I don’t speak Tigrigna) and was highlighting the connection of Asmara and Shoa.
        Fanti Ghana, thought it might be…..” mekina??..tezawari?..Showa Asmara..” and it sounded close enough to me. (I had written what he said, but I couldn’t find it at the moment)
        .
        I am hoping against hope that you may know the name of the artist and the song. I have asked a friend of a friend of a friend in Ethiopian broadcasting, he came back empty handed. It might have been scrubbed off on purpose, due to its political nature.
        I am hopeful again, you might have an idea as to how to go about locating it.
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Boss,

          ተዘወሪ መኪና ተዘወሪየ
          ሸዋን ኣስመራን ኮይኑ መዛወሪየ፤

          The only phrase I remember and the only phrase I am sure about.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti Ghana,
            .
            Thank you so much. I have written it down again.
            I hope Hayat knows it, and can help.
            .
            Mr. K. H

          • Berhe Y

            Dear K.H.

            I think Haile S. is probably your best bet. I think Tilahun had similar song, Asmera Addis Abeba And shi semaniya (1080 referring to the km) or something.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Hi Berhe,
            Thanks for the compliment. I have more visual memory than anything else. If there is a bird in it, could be Ufey Breri by Bereket Mesgsteab? Not sure; getting mixed up without listening to the song.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Kim Hanna,
          I think what St. Fanti told yኦu maybe the very one you are looking for. Unfortunately፣ I can’t help you with that right now. But I will keep on looking. For now፣ I have one very similar to that in message if not in melody. That is from R’esom Gebregiorgis; also an Eritrean artist፣ his lyrics are mirror both by Amharic and Tigrigna and he basically says “birds of the sky sing and dance; declare that shewa and asmara are at peace”. Re’esom was awarded recognition in Liberia for his effort to promote and marry art to social harmony.
          I am not sure if you will be able to play it before the moderator removes it… otherwise, it can be done this weekend.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CxLRpldVbI

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Hayata,

            That is the one Princess! He, R’esom interjects the same melody, slightly slower, as the old one Kim has been looking for.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            That is wonderful. I await this weekend.
            I also submit the request to the moderators and owners to let us hear it.
            .
            Thanks Hayat, I was going all around the world looking for it and it was sitting at your library all along.
            I just hope that was it.
            Fanti, do you have anything to do this weekend? Be ready to translate the words.
            .
            Mr. K.H

        • Nitricc

          Hey Kim, like if you don’t the answer of the human body function, you must name liver i.e. I have no idea about the song you are talking about but I will answer it by saying Bereket Mengistab. hey, he is a legend. lol just for fun.

  • wedamir

    Whose Heritage Are we celebrating?
    Dear brothers/sisters
    One of the primary mission of UNESCO World Heritage is “Encourage participation of the local population in the preservation of their cultural and natural heritage”.

    It makes sense for the Geza pyramid, the lalibela church, Chichen Itza or Sigiriya Rock to be in the list heritage list as the artifacts were indigenous to the native population who build it.

    When it comes to Asmara, why are we celebrating it being included in the list as the heritage is not of the natives/indigenous population but of the colonizers who built it for their exclusive use. The history is not of Eritreans by Eritreans but it is by the Italians for the Italians, why fight to keep the status quo of colonization and keep the legacy and history that is from by gone area?

    If Eritreans need a UNESCO heritage list, let it be a native artifact and not a by product of a colonization that made the natives second class citizen.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear wedamir,

      I have struggled with thought myself, when I heard this whole thing started. But it make sense now.

      1) I am sure a lot of local labor was used to build it. Even though they had no say in it.
      2) I am sure a lot of local resources was used to build it. Even though those who owned the resources didn’t have much say or benefited from.
      3) Currently those building are being used by the locals, as part of their homes, business etc. We sure are not stupid to destroy them and build our local type of homes to prove a point. If we are using them, then it make sense to maintain them.
      4) It will create an economic opportunity for our country and our people. If those westerners could come to see what the colonizers build and spend their money as tourist then it is still well worth the efforts.
      5) The locals are now the owners of the country (after the PFDJ is removed) then hopefully they will get to enjoy and benefit from.
      6) I hope other towns (specially Massawa gets recognized) as it really deserves to be preserved and it will be a huge tourism potential.

      Personally I think Eritrean future economic potential is in tourism. I think even if we focus on African market, as a honeymoon destination, Eritrea could possibly undercut a lot of the competition (the combination of Asmara and Massawa).

      Berhe

      • Selam Berhe Y.,

        Who ever owns a monument, an ancient civilization, example, ancient egypt, ancient mesopotamia, etc, whether they are descendants of those who built those civilizations or not, they have the right to celebrate and feel proud of them, as long as they are the present owners.
        Recently, DNA studies of egyptian mummies by a university in germany (i think), showed no genetic similarity between contemporary egyptians and that of ancient egyptians (something expected). Nevertheless, this does not mean that contemporary egyptians have to lose the right to own, celebrate and be proud of ancient egyptian civilization.
        Similarly, asmara is now owned by eritreans, and it is part and parcel of eritrean history. It does not matter if the engineers were italians and the city was built for italian. Eritreans have the right to see asmara as their own city, and they can celebrate any title awarded to it.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Horizon,,

          You made my day ..not only the entire Awate up voted ..THANKS,,,

          KS,,

    • blink

      Dear wedamir
      These buildings belong to Eritrea not to Italians.The owners are Eritreans. The number one reason behind this recognition is for making money through turism. No one knows who built Lalibela except a hearsay of different theories but in 1978 Lalibela was granted a world heritage just for its unique nature, that being said I do not believe the story that angels come on night and helped the people who were working on day. Now I and many people must be feel great about the uniqueness of Lalibela and the Gonder people can cash in from tourists. What is wrong if Asmara did the same , jealousy is a bad thing.

    • MS

      selam wedamir
      1. UNESCO registers sites based on a variety of criteria. Asmara is selected based on its modernist architecture. There are other sites which could be proposed based on historic merit, like Adulis, Qohayto and the rest.
      2. Why do we celebrate Asmara’s selection? It happens to be Eritrean capital; it happens to be built by the blood and sweat of our ancestors. The design may be European but those who built it were mostly Eritrean laborers. And most importantly, we celebrate it because it is a heritage of humanity. I celebrate also Angola and South Africa accomplishment in registering their sites along with the city of Asmara. You see, registering a site in UNESCO makes that site a world heritage. I feel proud of the pyramids of Egypt, of the monuments in Lalibela and Aksum, etc. Because they are world heritage, they are shared by humanity. Likewise I feels sad when radical ISIS demolish world heritage sites in Iraq and Syria. I really hurt. That’s the significance of sharing world heritage. When a country registers a site, it is sharing its heritage with the world. That should contribute in bringing the world closer. I think it would be a mistake if we are trapped by the demonizing propaganda. As Eritreans were struggling to have a foothold in the crowded world of UNESCO there were the usual suspects who were campaigning behind doors that Asmara should not get recognized because it symbolized the colonization of Africa. Well, it defeated them based on its content and the category in which it ran its campaign, a modernist city. If one can appreciate the architectural aesthetic of Rome for its contribution in humanity, why not appreciate and protect similar achievements in Asmara?

      • Yohannes Zerai

        Dear MS,

        I applaud your taking a humanistic approach to the topic of traditional/cultural heritage in the context of the U.N. After all, the list to which Asmara has been added is termed “UNESCO World Heritage List” – not “UNESCO Eritrea Heritage List”! The whole effort of the UNESCO World Heritage Center is to recognize and celebrate WORLD Heritage Sites and not the heritage sites of any national entity. As such, and strictly speaking, the UNESCO program is about recognizing, protecting/preserving and celebrating worthwhile sites as common world heritage sites. It is certainly not about determining who created/built a given site and assigning credit to the party identified as such.

        But if we were to shift focus to the latter as Wedamir has done in his comment, your eloquent response to that comment should lay the matter to rest. As regards ownership of Asmara’s architectural treasure, the issue that Wedamir raised is similar to the familiar question of who should take the credit for the immense agricultural development which subsequently propelled the U.S.A. to be the foremost industrial power in the World. The means of production (the land, the implements/equipment, the farm resources, etc.) in the British colonies and in the Union that superseded them were all owned by the slave owners. And so were the wealth, the knowledge, the development plan and the farm design that spurred the development. But it was the blood, tears and sweat of African slaves that converted the plans and dreams to reality and actually produced the national wealth!

        • MS

          Ahlen Yohannes
          Thanks for the kind words and for your elucidating comment. You reminded me of the octogenarians who sprang to action in order to resuscitate the long forgotten and rusting train engines right after independence. Eritreans accumulated technical skills including in construction during the Italian era. The beauty about human condition is that whenever there is interaction, there is a transaction and transfer of know-how. Therefore, there is no question that, though they might not have owned them, Eritreans built the railways, buildings, agricultural estates, ports, cable cars (teleferica?) and in the process acquired the skills that Eritreans were known for in the region.

  • KBT

    Selamat kulukhum
    Rejoice for eritrea, our capital city asmara has become a world Heritage.
    Everybody is happy, for the fake news we don’t care, our country is doing well
    We all know that you guys are only Internet warriors, what else can you do ??? Nothing right.
    The wind is turning, TPLF is collapsing eritrea is rising, we are so proud.
    Some of you even are trying to denie our borders, like this guy saying that the border has been fixed trough well paid lawyers , without any cartography fact for their claims, that shameful deliberately distort the fact. But why I am surprised, for those who folllow woyane dollars we wish you good luck loosers,

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi KBT,
      Today also UNESCO named some slave landing coast somewhere a world heritage area. You will not hear of restitution there. But that is not the problem between Eritreans and their government which tries to take credit for everything. Even the guys who worked for this are kept hidden so that they don’t get recognition. The problem is the lack of normal life in Eritrea.

      • Kokhob Selam

        His excellency elder brother —

        If this guy (KBT ) read my post to Horizon,he could been silent – He could have an idea how UNESCO were managing–

        KS..

    • Hayat Adem

      KBT*,
      You said: “The wind is turning, TPLF is collapsing eritrea is rising, we are so proud.”
      This claim by you is made because “our capital city asmara has become a world Heritage.” Asmara being counted in the UNESCO book is truly a good thing. But you are soiling this good thing with your bizarre claim. If that makes PFDJ to claim a comparative success, do you know Ethiopia has 9 physical sites already registered and recognized, 6 more tentatively registered and waiting to be fully recognized and about 9 others also registered as an invisible heritages. You are wrongly cheering up PFDJ over TPLF. If your assertion was to be taken as a standard Ethiopia leads Eritrea by 18 to 1.
      —–
      * There was a serial killer some years back who is called by that same KBT, Tie, Bend and Kill. Are you inspired by the same values or it is pure coincidence?

      • Nitricc

        Hayat, you can’t even for one day cheer for Eritrea. So much for your Eritreanes. now, do you know why I call you a liar, look how degraded Eritrea for your country Ethiopia’

        ” do you know Ethiopia has 9 physical sites already registered and recognized, 6 more tentatively registered and waiting to be fully recognized and about 9 others also registered as an invisible heritages. You are wrongly cheering up PFDJ over TPLF. If your assertion was to be taken as a standard Ethiopia leads Eritrea by 18 to 1.”
        What a miserable woman.

        • Hayat Adem

          Nitricc,
          I am cheering for Eritrea by correcting false claims. I will never cheer for and with PFDJ enablers. Eritrea will always be better of when their toxic views and deceptive PFDJ cheer ups are quarantined from all essentials of Eritrea and Eritreans.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Queen Hayat

            “I am cheering for Eritrea for all time and forever by correcting false claims” You know what I mean..

            KS..

        • Olana

          Dear Nitricc
          I can see how painful it is for you and Semere T. whenever Hayat wrote something about Ethiopia, and the bad thing is you just take your prescribed doses with out having anything to say except to repeat her words like a child who tried to learn new words. My friends she is far beyond your PFDJ level.

          • Nitricc

            Olana; you got it all wrong. your deceptive and disgraced queen is fooling no one, sure there are some stupid people who believes her that she Eritrean. So, what is so surprising if an Tigryan woman writes about Tigray and Ethiopia? My friend, you are the one you need to open your mind and see what is going on. Don’t be surprised if an paid agent do what it does, lie and deceive. In fact, she the worst liar I have ever seen. Now, what is there to learn from disgraced lair?

          • Olana

            Dear Nitricc
            What is the criteria or conditions for someone to be called an Eritrean?

          • Nitricc

            Hi Olana; simple one and major of the many; Accept, acknowledge and respect the great Eritrean Gedli. the end of the story!

        • blink

          Dear Nitricc
          Why would she cheer for Eritrea. Eritrea ‘s independence is bad thing for her, she will travel extra mile to made a village and lie about it. Have you forgotten the village she manufactured to herself only to blame ELF ??? Come on man , the best thing you have to do is expose her accounts and then trash her argument as non that of Weyane propaganda machine.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Bilink; I hear you but I was only helping Hayat to stay in her game of deception. If she can cheer once in a blue moon, then she can fool the fools. you know, the likes of Abraham-H and Thomas. I really enjoy when I see those fools taken for a ride by an old woman. I mean, How stupid one can be?
            All else, I don’t expect Letekidan from Adi Grat to wish anything good for Eritrea. I was just trying to help sharping her game to fool the fools.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Hayat Adem

        1. – “You are wrongly cheering up PFDJ over TPLF………. Ethiopia leads Eritrea by 18 to 1 (in world heritage).”

        While we’re all enjoying Ethiopia’s 18 to 1 UNESCO world heritage achievement over Eritrea, I got a question for you. What do you think about Ethiopian troops being stationed as peacekeepers between Eritrea and Djibouti – you know….. like – ዝብኢ: ናዓ ‘ባ ምራኹት ሓሉ – type thing.

        2. – You said “….Our capital city asmara has become a world Heritage and Asmara being counted in the UNESCO book is truly a good thing.”

        Now, since Asmara is your capital city, you couldn’t be any other national, but an Eritrean. But regrettably, many people in this forum “wrongly” believe that you’re ጭው ዝበልኪ ወያኒት Tigrean. So, since you are a proud Eritrean and a staunch opponent of the PFDJ regime, could you please tell us which Eritrean opposition group you belong to?

        Don’t let me down now! You know: here, like the Nitriccs, you don’t want me to mistake you for a lying Tigrean, do you? I’m sure you don’t.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Hayat Adem

          Selamat SemereT,
          The short answer is I don’t. Except briefly (less than 2 months), I had never been into a membership nor as a full member nor as a supporter. There are many organizations in the opposition I would prefer them rule Eritrea than PFDJ. But, may years from, I may still end up going to my grave still puzzled and thinking “what did SemereT saw in them to have defended these criminals?”

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hayat

            1. – Hayat always Hayat : deceptive canning evasive treacherous….. like them Woyanes.

            Stop changing the subject.

            I asked you: are you for or against (a) Ethiopia troops being stationed as peacekeepers between Eritrea and Djibouti? (b) As an Eritrean, which Eritrean political opposition organization do you prefer to replace the PFDJ regime? (c) What is the point of removing the PFDJ regime if you don’t have a better replacement for the PFDJ regime?

            2. – “What did SemereT saw in them to have defended these criminals?”

            I didn’t see anything that you couldn’t see. But this is my thing: Why would PFDJ leaders be criminals, if all they did is (a) what former ELF leaders (current opposition leaders) did (b) what former EPLF leaders (current opposition leaders) did (c) what former Eritreans servants of Ethiopian successive regimes did (d) What current Addis leaders (Woyanes) did during their pre and post Ghedli years.

            Or simply: if one has to say, let those without a sin among us come-out to cast the first stone at the PFDJ regime – there are none.

            THEREFORE, WE CAN’T CRIMINALIZE OUT OURSELVES FROM THIS MESS. THAT”S WHY!!!

            Semere Tesfai

      • KBT

        selamat hayat
        your ethiopia is old and banckrupt country claiming to be 3000 years existence ,a myth of course and still begging food ,massacring his people divide the country by faith and ethnicity there is no hope hayat
        may you can go to west by m eritrean refugees .
        my country is very young country is a very young and had achieve the MDG and assure us our intergrity and soveirignity ,and now this it means the futur is bright ,

        • Saleh Johar

          Selam KBT,
          Don’t you think we should be humbled by the fact that our youth are fleeing to the country you so much abhor?
          Also, please be fair in comparing situations (objectively).

          Famine and drought are a curse crippling many parts of the world–it’s not like Eritrea is blessed with ample water resources, particularly when you talk about Ethiopia which has a wealth of water resources. However, it is kosher when you give your view in man-made calamities and your view will be a legitimate view even if people do not agree with it. However, when you are belittling the governance of other countries, honesty requires that you put the Eritrean governance in the picture for fair comparison.

          Eritrea was young, newly liberated 27 years ago. You can’t be young forever–even those who were born during the independence of Eritrea are 27 years old men, many of them are professionals with children unless their years was stolen by the cruel regime. Humility my friend.

          • KBT

            selam saleh
            yes i will compare eritrea with many other because other didn t suffer like eritrea suffering under a brutal ethiopian regime the world was silent and unfair to us for long time the wors thing is those who claim to be eritrean and lobbying for ethiopia trushing our country by lie and lie
            i feel sorry for you my friend there is no calamity in our country ,
            where is the dignity to lie so they can achieve their goal

          • Saleh Johar

            KBT,
            I feel you my dear. I heard similar arguments during the era of Haile Sellassie, the Derg, and now in Isaias’ era: hager tHmbebe ‘la. A magnifying glass has two ends. The sight from both ends are very different. In fact one of them doesn’t show much except the reflection on the user’s eye. Which end of the magnifying glass are you looking from? I feel you dear 🙂

          • Hayat Adem

            H.SGJ,
            While agreeing with everything you wrote here, I want to make one more point of mine.The “we are new and young” excuse is very demeaning. We have walked out of the woods 27 yrs ago. We were there as a society and culture. Some of PFDJites stretch Eritrean history as independent since and from the Adulis time. When they want to give a facing to the total governace failure of the regime, they invoke this youth of a nation.
            The puzzle is the independence struggle was launched as one of the reasons that Ethiopia’s system was backward and feudalistic and Eritrea’s were by comparison (due to exposure to colonialism, protectorateship, and multipartism. That claim tells that we were ahead of the neighborhood. So, what is the justification “we are a new comers” excuse based on?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hayat,

            You were doing quite well in the last few days, and now you are back to your old habits:).

            “The puzzle is the independence struggle was launched as one of the reasons that Ethiopia’s system was backward and feudalistic and Eritrea’s were by comparison (due to exposure to colonialism, protectorateship, and multipartism. That claim tells that we were ahead of the neighborhood. So, what is the justification “we are a new comers” excuse based on?”

            There has never been any claim officially that the struggle was launched because we were under backward and feudal Ethiopia. The struggle was started because Ethiopia annexed Eritrean and abolished the federation system.

            I am not denying some people have not called Ethiopia backward or feudal, because it was, compared to Eritrean political freedom of expression.

            Berhe

          • MS

            BerheY
            I’m appreciating your inputs more than ever and feeling comfortably numb ( Pink Floyd) to your takes, meaning, except on sanctions, I’m almost in line with your thoughts, including in peaceful means of struggle, etc. I do agree with you and Saleh on the genesis of our struggle. And the current movements by Eritreans from within and without, should be seen in that context, a struggle for justice and fairness. Eritreans had already accepted close ties with the “feudal and backward” Ethiopia through the federal act. Idris Adem, the founder of ELF was president of Eritrean parliament, Ibrahim Sultan was a member of the Parliament, WelWel accepted it, Sabe was comfortably running a school in Hirgigo…etc. Why would they agree to the feudal and backward Ethiopia if we are to listen to Hayat and Co.?
            However, truth be told that Eritrea was way ahead in all aspects. This she could not dismantle, however she may try. Politically, just look at the constitutions if both countries. So why should we shy away from the fact that Ethiopia didnot only massacre Eritrans indiscriminately and ravage our economy, but also set our political pace back to where Ethiopia was by effectively dismantling the democratic institutions and political tempo Eritrea enjoyed.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear MS,

            I am really glad to hear, considering where we started this is huge progress in our understanding. I too am inline with your lines of thought, almost in everything.

            As to the sanction / I think you are referring to the ICC, hopefully with time I can elaborate a little more.

            Generally speaking the ERITREAN government respond to pressure put on from other foreign entities compared to coming from Eritreans. As long as it’s done for the interest of the ERITREAN people, then I think it’s the right approach to pressure the PFDJ government and force it to change its ways or help it in its demise.

            May we can take this as an opportunity to discuss and have an understanding on this topic, as long as we put the benefit of the people ahead of all other, then I am confident that we are not far off in our thinking.

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Are you sure you will not regret what you are saying? I think MS is playing a little game there. I could be wrong, he likes to balance things. I don’t think MS is that angry at the PFDJ doings close to you. Count me on that, I am sure you will come back to your senses. Berhe hawina, endiela nai MS negersi glbit glbit eya tibil:)

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Thomas,

            I should call you “doubting Thomas” it fits you perfectly. It’s ok to doubt but I think it make sense to me that we should try all we can to come to understanding with people we disagree with and works towards a common goal.

            I don’t know if you had a chance to hear it, but I encourage to you to read the letter he send to wedi gherahtu (was narrated by some one beautifully on Assena or some other radio). I have no doubt you will understand what his priorities are when it comes to Eritrean people and the country. He was speaking from his heart and using his mind (as painful as it is) to publicly say what he said to his former comrades converted oppressors.

            I hope someone can post the link….we weren’t on good terms then, but it was powerful to made me believe in his good heart.

            You have to believe out of the 90,000 plus EPLF fighters, a good number of them (the majority) are decent people who paid their future and their lives for the betterment of our people. They too are victims and they were fooled by IA like the rest of us.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Likewise Hayat,

            I agree with what you wrote with one exception:

            I didn’t know the Eritrean struggle was fueled by the ideology of feudalism or capitalism. As I know it, it was launched by common people who had no knowledge is such relatively new notions. It was launched for justice. Fairness, and against repression, pillaging, massacres and against the demeaning of otherwise free people. Ideology is an after-thought when intellectuals tried to shape the struggle. The essence remained the same for the overwhelming number of combatants. I was and I am still one–not interested in trivializing the struggle. To me, it’s against injustice in all its forms.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Saleh J., yes, your remark “To me, it’s against injustice in all its forms” is very true indeed. No one ever joined the struggle and gave their precious lives for the establishment of an absolute dictatorship, where Eritreans live under constant fear.

            This was what Isayas Afewerki said in 1974:
            “We must build a soceity that is free from exploitation of man by man”-source: YouTube

            Unfortunately what we have today in Eritrea is the exact reverse of what he said in his formative years as a politician.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saleh Johar

            “Those who were born during the independence of Eritrea are 27 years old men”

            And those who were born during Ethiopian independence are 3000 years now – frozen fossilized in rock. And still, Ethiopia is begging for food – while squandering its meager resources to starve Eritrea.

            And that is not even the funniest part, as a young boy, I was thought by my southern kin the 3000 year-history story during my elementary school years. And still, Ethiopia is 3000 years old. And you know how young I am.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Semere T
            The 3000 old history is not in my scope of interest except in its strictly historical context. Here and now, the fact is eritrea is not young. And I don’t have to compare it to any other country to justify its detestable situation. If you are worrying about your health, the fact that someone could be sicker than you doesn’t make your situation any better. That is why they invented a word for such justifications: “Trivializing”

            But are you contesting that those who were born in 1991 were not growing up? Would they still be babies? I don’t think you can refute that.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saleh Johar

            This is my point: the quality of life of an ordinary Ethiopian is not any different from that of an ordinary Eritrean. That being the reality, the Woyane cadres don’t have the moral high ground to preach us how we should or shouldn’t run our business.

            They’ve more than enough on their plate – they should focus minding their own business. That’s all.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Thomas

            Selam Semere Tesfai,

            I know you are a racist, you live in a dark and all. So, no matter what, your clouded mind cannot be cleared but let me make it easy for you. A sentence from your above comments states, “This is my point: the quality of life of an ordinary Ethiopian is not any better than the quality of life of an ordinary Eritrean.” Do you see hundreds of thousands young Ethiopians migrating to Ethiopia or it is the obverse which is true? At least, understand the fact that people migrate from a riskier place to a place less riskier. Still, I am just trying BUT I know you will never get it.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Thomas: I really feel for you brother. It is incredibly inhumane the way the TPLF has imprisoned 15,000 Oromo brothers like yourself and they have the gaul to make you troll Eritrean websites and make insipidus comments. It just brings crocodile tears to my eyes brother. I really hope you get out soon. I will keep you in my dreams tonight brother.

          • Hi S.T.,

            May be ethiopia is stuck at age 3000. The main question is when is the regime you support going to free eritrea from the dark ages it has dragged her into? Those who are free to move have a chance to move someday to another age. What are the chances for those who are chained and kept behind an iron curtain by your regime against their wish? When are you going to unchain them? The dark ages is already 27 yrs and counting. It was meant to be a new age for eritrea. That was the reason for the sacrifices. Is it going to be one of the two: the demise of the regime or eritrea ceasing to exist as a country and as a nation?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            It would have been nice, if Eritrea and Ethiopia were to have US-Canada type relations. But unfortunately we don’t. Partly because of the failure of the two governments policies and attitudes towards each other, and GREATLY because of foreign interference. But having said that…..

            Neither one of our governments or our elites have the moral high ground to preach the other about democracy, rule of law, good governance, improved quality of life…… to the other. Because we’re at the same level suffering from the same problems. So please don’t try to educate me about my government and what I should or shouldn’t do, when you’ve a government and a quality of life of your people, as bad as mine, if not worst.

            The only difference: you’ve the US with its megaphone on your government’s side, and I don’t. And for sure, that hasn’t put bread (እንጀራ) on the table (ሞሶብ) to the ordinary people of Ethiopia. Ethiopia is still outstretching its hands for Western alms. Now, what good-governance lesson could Eritrea possibly learn from Ethiopia?

            Therefore, instead of lecturing each other about something we ourselves couldn’t deliver to our people, let’s first try to clean our respective houses and go from there.

            But I’ve great respect for you though. Not that I agree with you, but for coming here as a proud Ethiopian and for fighting each day tooth and nail for the best interest of your country – which I couldn’t say about many of my Eritrean compatriots here.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Semere Tesfai: You are 100% correct in what you have said.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere; there one fat obstacle you are forgetting between Eritrea and Ethiopia. Those two countries could never do business with each other like any other countries. The problem is, the Ethiopians in general and the Tigryans in particular there not seasoned business people with business mentality as the Eritreans are I.e. no matter how honest business the Eritreans conduct, on the eyes of the Ethiopians will be seen as cheating, unfair, looting, you name it. I don’t see it working.

            And here is my disagreement with you. You said, ” But I’ve great respect for you though.” what respect? is there any more self degrading, disgraced and futile than pretending once nationality while concealing your true identity? I don’t think so! NO, Sir!

          • Nitricc,
            Like a mole you live in a dark hole, how can you know about the real world. Have you been abused as a child that you hate the world so much? You must be living a lonely and a miserable life.

          • Nitricc

            Horizon; hahahah, who is having a miserable life, you or me? You are obsessed with Eritrea and everything about Eritrea while your country is in shambles. Why are so consumed about Eritrea?
            by the way, my response was erroneously one. When Semere said the following…
            ” But I’ve great respect for you though.” I thought Semere-T was talking about Hayat; that what I thought it was and that was the reason I responded, I was wrong. It wasn’t about you, I responded wrongly.

          • Thomas

            Selam Semere T,

            I am trying to place your writing on the mirror so that you would be able to see them yourself. Again, why don’t you have to ask and again your question, “Now tell me: what good-governance lesson could Eritrea possibly learn from Ethiopia?” The Ethiopian government would suggest the Eritrean government the following:

            1) Ethiopia has ~100 million people and is governed by a constitutional government. Ask DIA to please rule the nation by the law NOT by fear. To remind the DIA regime, a constitution is the law of the the nation and holds the government from crossing red lines. Why would your government trash the the available constitution and rule the nation without taking accountability? Is it that difficult to run a nation of 6 million people?
            2) The people are the only entity to advance the country. Let the people run their own country and for that let them choose a government they like.
            3) Most important thing, the government cannot keep detaining people and for there are over 10,000 prisoners. These people must be allowed to present their cases to the court and only in the court court can prove their case.
            4) The government takes accountability for every action it takes. Ethiopian oppositions except those doing business with the mafias in asmara are debating the future of their country. The mafias in Asmara’s need to rethink about the crimes they are committing.
            5) Open the press and private medias and let freedom of speak flourish in the country. It is inhuman to deny people of their rights to express the God given freedom. The reason we saw the demonstrations in Ethiopia is because their government let them do so. The mafias in Eritrea are ruling the nation by fear not by the law. That needs to stop.
            6) The cause of the migration of hundreds of thousands of Eritreans but be studied from the home country, Eritrea. Numbers of 1)-5) above are the main reason for number 6. We are talking about very visible gross human rights violations here. It is not that hard, Semere T and get your clouded mind of the primitive way of thinking and realize we are in the year 2017.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Thomas, I hope Semere T, who could be your dad, age wise, takes note of your well formulated arguments. When foolish young people like Nitricc get lured by the manipulations of the pfdj, it doesn’t surprise me; but I fail to accept it when fully grown up and educated people like Semre T. choose to side with those committing obvious injustices upon their own people.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear I 2nd you Abraham,

            I never imagined such type of stand from Semere T, any other with such edge and experience and education..He totally turned from the time I know him ..

            KS,,

          • Thomas

            Hi Abraham,

            We are exactly on the same page not only in understanding the mission of Semere T and others, but in all subjects discussed here. I believe this is because we are very concerned about what is happening to the voiceless Eritrean people. We are just talking what is in the minds of those who living the home land and them passing through everyday of misery and threat by the mafias. The likes of Semere T even though most seniors (age wise) supporting the mafias provide support from underground/secretly, this guy Semere T as stupid as he is got a courage to try to defend the indefensible under the pretext of Ethiopia and the Eritrean oppositions. The tactic he uses are:
            1) Discourage/divert discussions about Eritrea and encourage debate about Ethiopia. Why? Semere T cares less for the Eritrean people as long as the mafias he supports remain in power. He gets very irritated whenever these mafias are attacked. His argument always is if some others leaders in Ethiopia, Africa and the world have committed crimes and got away with it, why is it a crime when PFDJ are doing it. That these mafias are doing what others (even the ELF) have done or would have done. This shows how primitive or evil this guy is. I am sure he would have been very furious if the mafias had killed his immediate family and tried to tell him that the Ethiopian or other dictatorship regimes have killed people…..
            2) Targeting or undermining/badmouthing the Eritrean oppositions. He keeps telling us that the Eritrean opposition groups are never and will be accepted by Eritrean people. This to imply that our only choice is worshiping our killers/abusers and the mafias regime.

          • Selam Semere T.,

            The respect is mutual.
            Personally I believe that ethiopians and eritreans may quarrel and fight each other day and night, nevertheless, the fate of both people at the end is to live in peace and harmony, when they finally get tired and fed up, and when they become aware of their foolishness. One of the ways is as you said a us-canada type of relations. Those who think that ethiopia and eritrea are two islands separated by an ocean, and they should not have anything to do with each other, drive me crazy sometimes, because it is far from the reality on the ground.

            The fact that the moral high ground, the level of suffering and the quality of life in both countries could be similar, nevertheless, this does not mean that it should create a sense of complacency in both people, because it is an abnormal situation that continues to cost a lot to the ordinary people. Therefore, if I see the excesses and irresponsibilities of the ethiopian government which hurts the people, it is my human and moral responsibility to condemn it for the their sake. I might not be able to do much, nevertheless, my conscious will tell me that I am not on the wrong side. The same holds true for eritreans too.

            I think that one of the mistakes in eritrean politics is that of bringing the usa to the scene, simply because the usa does not do what eritrea wants. The solution for ethio-eritrean problems lies in the hands of ethiopians and eritreans, and nowhere else. The usa may force ethiopia through sanctions to abide by the final and binding agreement, but it is not going to bring peace and harmony between the two nations.

            In conclusion, a closed door policy between ethiopians and eritreans, similar to the closed door policy we see between the two governments will not be helpful. Criticizing the politics of the one or the other government is not the problem. The problem is when groups of people are targeted, demeaned, and insulted.

          • KBT

            Selam Johar
            27 year old for its very very young, African nation have more than 50 years independence ,in wish they are better than eritrea, you avoid the reality because people like are one the problem of eritrea. For TPLF whatever they promised to you it won’t happen they will be gone soon.
            As for objectivity please look into mirror, it is not that distort, measled with fake news every day as for the youth, I myself have 4 cousin that gambled with their, 1 don’t know maybe dead, 1 returned and got married, 2 succed they are helping their families.
            You used our suffering as tools for your political agenda.
            You do not care for eritrean any way we have our country none will take from us good luck for you

          • Saleh Johar

            HI KBT,

            You can disrespect anyone, but I think you need to respect yourself. I am replying and engaging you thinking of you as a mature person. If not, there is no point. You wrote, “For TPLF whatever they promised to you it won’t happen they will be gone soon.”

            There is an old saying. A thief thinks every walking person is a thief–I hope that is not the case. Who promises what? Are you not ashamed to make such wild allegation? Does being truthful mean anything to you and your lot? You do not need to invent lies as you go just to win a casual debate.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Saleh Johar: There is one thing that I am grappling with. Is not Awate an Eritrean instead of an Ethiopian website? If It is both, I can then understand the reciprocal mud slinging that continually occurs (for which I am also apart of); especially when Ethiopian continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land and to economically isolate it. If not, then why are Ethiopians allowed to constantly troll and interfere in what could otherwise be productive dialogue? If that is the case, then Sudanese, Somalis , Saudi Arabians, Kenyans, and Yemenese should also be encouraged to comment.

          • Aniyi

            Hi mr. Snake.
            It amases me that you are not able to see what brings good to this poor people.
            To remind you that the reconciliation and normalisation that most of us longing can not be achieved if we egnore each other.
            I do not think you have any moral ground to tell awate team whom to encourage and discourage, if you think your untidy and unstable mind can manage to convince a good bunch of high calibers like awate team you must have lost all your brain cells and become a self excipted mentaly challenged individual.
            You like it or not we the people of ethiopia and eritrea will share good and bad as we are naturaly bonded one people. We do not have to wait for your saudi arebian or collobian to join the forum. Also want to remind you that badme is a done deal do not cry about it day and night as if there is nothing else left in the political life of ethiopian and eritrean to worry about you can Talk about the youth fleeing and diying talk about the once you called them your heroes now who are dying in your jails etc if you think your terms are the only one to be granted the altimate attention even swizerland can not handle your daily squilala .

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear KS,
            If you remember, this website was created to champion Eritrean reconciliation.–you can ask around and find out who is the hindrance to national reconciliation.
            The problem is not the nationality of the members, but the mud-slinging that flares every now and then. And you admitted you are “part of it”. The solution starts with the self and everything will be fine.
            This website welcomes anyone who respects the guidelines–it doesn’t allow or disallow people based on their nationality. If you can. please help invite more “Sudanese, Somalis , Saudi Arabians, Kenyans, and Yemenese” and any nationality you can think of.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Saleh Johar: You do have a sense of humor I will give you that! You mention that this website was created to champion Eritrean reconciliation. Country specific reconciliation efforts should in principle be limited to nationals of such country. Your choice to include non-Eritreans in your championing of Eritrean reconciliation, certainly causes it to lose neutrality and credibility in process. Eritreans should be left to sort out their own problems without outside interference. To include Ethiopians, moreover TPLF adherents, in an Eritrean Reconciliation process, is akin to inviting Israelis to participate in a Syrian reconciliation process.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Kalihari Snake,

            Awate Site is a discussion platform. It is a site of gathering information and become enlightened, and to reach this stage we can benefit from experiences of all peoples of the world. When we are fully cultivated we (Eritreans) can sit around a round table and coin a lasting reconciliation. I think it is not a crime to invite friends to assist.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kali, nice take down! I kind of understand what SJ is saying but your response to his take is simply to the point. My take is, I think it is a good thing for Ethiopians to participate but what makes it difficult it, there are two types of Ethiopians and there are three kind of Eritreans. However; the one type of Eritreans coupled with their kind of Ethiopians are the once who are causing trouble.
            For instance there are Eritreans who believes that Eritrea is a free nation i.e. Eritrea for Eritreans by Eritreans and they moved on. the end! So, SJ must belong to those other two types of Eritreans. I say that because SJ believes reconciliation of Eritreans at the same time he strongly supports the involvement of the Ethiopians. My take is, for Eritrea and Eritreans the sooner they believe and move on to the idea of Eritrea for Eritreans by Eritreans and mind their own business, the better for the country is. we must move on and leave Ethiopia for Tigryans.

  • blink

    Dear All
    Asmara is registered in the world heritage list of UNESCO.
    Asmara: a Modernist City of Africa
    Located at over 2000 metres above sea level, the capital of Eritrea developed from the 1890’s onwards as a military outpost for the Italian colonial power. After 1935, Asmara underwent a large scale programme of construction applying the Italian rationalist idiom of the time to governmental edifices, residential and commercial buildings, churches, mosques, synagogues, cinemas, hotels, etc. The property encompasses the area of the city that resulted from various phases of planning between 1893 and 1941, as well as the indigenous unplanned neighbourhoods of Arbate Asmera and Abbashawel. It is an exceptional example of early modernist urbanism at the beginning of the 20th century and its application in an African context.(Source UNESCO.

    • Abraham H.

      Dear blink, this is good news as it adds to the already existing huge tourism potential of the Eritrean capital. But the flip side of this could be the pfdjites are going to have a ‘reason’ for not developing the city, citing its UNESCO status; they may even not replace its decades old water pipelines:)

      • blink

        Dear Abraham
        Yes indeed it is god news .what ever happen to it’s water or sea wage pipes is another days thought. The one thing I feel sad is that her children are not enjoying the streets. Who could possibly sit in bar zili or bar super lateria?? That is my personal favorite question about Home town and always near my heart . PFDJ let the G-7 plus all lairs drink and enjoy its air while I stack and dream about it.

        In real environment Asmara could have been the best place yet it is crying on day light. What ever happened to her from now could only be good.

      • Kalihari Snake

        Hello Abraham H.: You say ‘they may not even replace it decades old water pipeline’. I guess you like Addis Ababa’s outdoor and in open plain sight type of toilets. It is really a disgusting sight for first time visitors in Addis Ababa when they see people openly urinating without shame.

        • Aniyi

          Hi temen kalahary
          I just wonder why you think everything eritrea should involve ethiopia. Both cities are beutifull in their respective ways.
          You hate everything ethiopia and ethiopian and am sure you are unhappy person even with yourself. Take it easy man there is always alternative way to adress esues with out diging hate to the surface.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Aniyi: Ethiopia is the enemy of Eritrea in so long as it illegally occupies Eritrean land. TPLF paid propaganda machines as yourself wish to criticize anything Eritrean and make Ethiopia seem like a bed of roses. I see that you are a 1-comment wonder. What nic do you normally use on other websites?

          • Aniyi

            Mr. Snake
            I wonder if you get paid few nakfas to come here and antagonise everyone too, if you doing your dirty job for free i pity you but wait i might be wrong being paid is a thing of past in your little bancrupted village. I just remember It is slavery era ohhh poor you .
            Also i know no eritrean or ethiopian take your gibrish seriously you are one man show.
            Remember one day things will change for good and that is not far people like you will hung themseves with shame while peace loving people of both country will live peacefully and regain the love they lost because of people like you.

    • MS

      MarHaba kndishiH
      Thanks buddy. Someone called me yesterday to inform me about the news while I was driving. Although I was following the process, I did not catch up with its speed. Congratulations all deqi Ere. Oggi Asmara, Domani Keren. Word has it that Keren is trailing Massawa, QoHayto, Adulis, MeTera, Keskese, Rora Habab, Bogos hgihlands….I don’t know why Keren is lagging behind (tsk, tsk).

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Mahmuday,

        I pass through Rora Hababa highland going to the northern Sahel area twice in 1975 and 1976. I only saw Hidmos and agricultural products like that of Kebessa. I didn’t see any significant buildings to be listed as Art Dico. Did I miss anything of that sort on that particular highland of Eritrea?

        regard

        • MS

          Selam Emma
          You are right there are no modern building standing on that plateau. UNESCO has a variety of categories that include history, culture, and man’s ingenuity in controlling nature, etc. Asmara won the status as a modernist city. Places such as Zula, Adulis, QoHayto, etc could win the status in other categories such evidences of the impact of ancient civilizations. In many cases what is underground may be more important than the one above ground.
          There was a team that was conducting preliminary studies in 1983. The team stayed in and around Rora habab, particularly around Endlal and laba (south of Baqla). The study stopped abruptly because of the 7th offensive (selaHta werar) because those area became frontlines. From what I heard, there were many sites of interests. That team also stayed in Marya Tselam and around melebso until the offensive began. I had pages of oral history from the inhabitants of those areas but lost them. At any rate, it takes expertise, money and time on showcasing a site. The link below shows you how diverse the criteria are.
          http://whc.unesco.org/en/criteria/

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Thank you for the clarification. Talking about “BaQla”: I was hoping to to be a good cite for a college school, such as agricultural college. I love the location surrounded with “tsehdi” pine tree like plants.

            Regards

      • Berhe Y

        Dear blink, MS and all,

        One of the guy, sounded British who was with the team said, they presented their case and it was over 1300 pages. I am really not sure how can an entire city becomes UNESCO world heritage. Would be nice to see the document.

        There was one guy who published the book over 10 years ago, who documented really well. I think it was his book that got the conversation started and hope he gets the recognition he deserves. I remember watching his interview long time ago, in one of the US tv shows, not sure with whom, may be Marta Stwart or someone on CNN.

        I hope they get some money and restore / fix the city. That’s really good for now or the future.

        Yesterday I heard this song Asmerana, Asmerana by wedi shawl after a long time and I thought it was fitting to share. I really don’t remember songs, but this song I heard it once and got stuck with me all this years later.

        https://vimeo.com/122266781

        Berhe

        • Berhe Y

          Actually I found the interview with Martha Stewart. His name is Naizghi Ghebremedhin.

          http://www.marthastewart.com/909244/learning-about-asmara-eritrea

          Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Hi Berhe, MS and all,
            Yes, the man wrote a book on Asmara with Edward Denison and another third author. I want to mention another book on Asmara written by Belula Tecle-Misghina entitled Asamara an urban history, a very interesting book based on a substantial preview available on google books.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Haile S.

            Edward Denison was with the team representing Eritrea. I was curious and looked up to Mr. Naizghi and looks like he works for some UN organization in Nairobi. In any case, I am sure he will be pleased to see Asmara recognized.

            Berhe

          • blink

            Dear Berhe Thanks for the link and yes the person contribution is not small as there are others too.Lets hope the controlling by PFDJ loses its grip. The 25km travel and other thing should be removed if they have any hope for making money from this good chance .

        • MS

          Selam Berhe Y
          Yes, I think I know of the gentleman you are referring to. Although the movement to refer Asmara city to UNSCO is decades old, I think he played a crucial role at opening doors. As you know getting the attention in a very crowded room is very hard. There are many countries who have the money, and long presence in the scene who compete to register their sites. Some countries have alreregistered multiple sites and they have name recognition. Experts such as the gentleman would indeed have been very important.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear MS

            An old city..of ours. so now we DISH- AWEL is in Jebena ..for entertainment enjoy it ..

            KS

  • said

    Greetings,

    As many countries not to long ago like china , the largest and most populous, strategically most important country, and many countries in Africa ,Asia ,south Amrica. may falls into the grips of a military dictatorship, a Fascist Junta fitting the standard description ever renowned since the early annals of military dictatorship .thy come from every from creeds and faith no exemption.
    As Eritrean , my hair sticks hearing and listening to pre-fixes & suffixes attached to the criminal acts carried out against innocent civilians, women, elderly, children lies in the indelible fact that human being has never ceased to being violent and giving in to the animalistic instinct of killing. What would you call the destructions of human lives at the largest scales in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Algerian war and the atomic bomb annihilation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the uprooting and mass exodus of the Palestinian people. All that was taking place post-the Age of Enlightenment of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries of the West carrying the banner of civility.

    Civility is a façade, the hypocritical glossing of far more deep complex innate sinister human cravings: envy, jealousy, insecurities, ego and desire to control and dominate.

    Most sadly, the dominant Capitalist materialistic values of fierce competition, promiscuity and sexual exhibitionism (in the states being “Aggressive” count among an individual’s great commendable attributes), are the dominant values in our times that reinforces individualism and egotistical drives.

    The significance of this development one can draw from what for long, since the establishment of the Monroe Doctrine of 1823 that considered Latin America as the privileged preserve backyard of a dominant US, what came to be known according to that Doctrine, all that falls in the Western Hemisphere is considered vital for the US national Security giving the successive US Governments the full right and privilege to directly intervene in the political decisions of the Latin American States.

    Latin America, from Mexico on the Southern borders of the US, down to Nicaragua in Central America and all the way to the most Southern tip of South America, in populous Brazil, was considered the sole preserve of the US Government. The US Governments with the aid of purposefully created specialized agencies, , pre-empted and brutally intervened through proxies, rather installed client puppet regimes, any changes and genuine calls for the independence of the political decision and respect of the sovereignty of the Latin American states.

    Looking back Putsch of September 11, 1973 that brutally killed the first democratically elected President of Chile, Salvador Allende, one draws a most relevant message to the Arab Spring of the drastic change of face of the ugly reality of the Monroe Doctrine with 34 of the 35 Latin American countries have regained their true sovereignty and the independence of their political decision. This as Giants as Mexico, Brazil and Argentinian have finally established the strong foundation of a tradition of working democracy and are embarking on genuine balanced economic development aiming to establishing a just society with the executive branch of government perennially under scrutiny of democratically elected legislature, independent judiciary.
    THE work of art, as you well know, tends to epitomize events touching public lives in one way or another. Don’t Cry for Me Argentina is such a piece of art that invokes deep emotions of an episode that centers on certain visionaries endeavoring to fulfill the aspirations of the disenfranchised masses.
    as I thought to myself in hindsight, out of sadness for the lot of humanity, the marginalized, deprived and oppressed greater masses, the wretchedness of the human race at large; a lingering episode until the end of times.

    Eva Peron or people like Nelson Mandela, Nasser, Castro, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, all those great people endeavored in their own ways, ingenuity and care for the larger others to uplift their lot, however, foremost, to uphold the Dignity of Man, redeem the Divinity’s Earthly Vicegerent’s worth of what primordially meant to be.

    I cry for humanity, the great majority who are disenfranchised and alienated, equally to the oppressors for their fallibility and incredulous destructive vanities.

  • said

    Greetings,Musing

    The Conundrum of the incompatibility of Isolationism & a Fast Converging Disorderly World

    Central theme in the Neoplatonism theses flourishing during the first century of the Common Era (C.E.), six centuries after Platonism; that the human race, being far removed of the original source, the emanating First Intelligence, Alfayd, God – according to their philosophy – is the least intelligent and the lowest in natural endowment of all creatures emanating from the First Intelligence.

    Not pretending to be fully conversant with the Neoplatonism philosophy that finds common grounds with Buddhism and Sufism, I tend, with regard to the above theses to see the practical evidence of its proclaimed theses in mankind’s incredible tendency for self-destruct failing, with the narrow intelligence of the newt, to learn from the accumulations of past experiences and the so-called history.

    The strange much contradicted creature called human has failed, in the collective communal sense as expression of the amalgam of constituent individuals with a common purpose, to reconcile the innate instinctive cravings for possession and dominance – forever bellicose egotistical drives – and the requisites for the ultimate long-term preservation of self and the others.

    Thus, here a mushrooming seven billion inhabitants of this tiny earth multiplying exponentially; devouring scarce earthly resources and contributing – willingly and unconsciously as driven by innate craving of possessiveness- to a fast deteriorating environment and ecology; are endeavoring to enclose on themselves, in a back to the stone age tribalism, as in the current Trumpism movement pervasively finding expression in the materially more advanced societies in perfect denial of a fast converging world; mounting common universal challenges that not the least of which a fast deteriorating ecology and the threat of common annihilation with nuclear weapons and human genius of continuously churning out new advanced forms of all-destructive weaponry.

    With the advent of the 20th century – i.e. more than 100,000 years of the this human creature being remotely created in the image of God in a process of emanation in what’s termed in anthropology as the homosapiens – AlFayd according to the Neoplatonists – the class society long entrenched in a stifling Feudalist structure began to slightly open up with a measure of egalitarianism that in matter of truth never went deeper below the skin layer.

    The original Feudalist system made more enduring with the unholy alliance of the land nobility and the Church fast transformed with the advent of the 20th century into new modes of Capitalism that, anew, in the past four decades, is fast increasingly reverting – with the astronomical concentration of wealth – into the unfettered, rather wild form of Capitalism akin to once defunct Feudalism as termed neoliberalism (the Raganomics & Thatcherism), reviving much in its unbridled exploitative and devouring structure the once dominant feudalist system.

    The conundrum rife in irreconcilable contradictions is a changed world of increasingly participative masses with high expectations and assertive presence -thanks to education and populism of free accessibility to technological advancements – are more conscious to their rights of an equitable share in the distribution of national income and national wealth; along with a chaotic world incapable of finding its equilibrium in a common paradigm, relevant ideology and a shared philosophy predicating on recognition of changing realities and common destiny.

    Back to the Neoplatonist theses, we human beings are providing the tangible proof of truly being the least intelligent of the Emanating First Intelligence creatures as we are failing to reconcile the truth of a changing universe with the narrow communal and national – i.e. tribal – priorities. We are failing to reconcile to the broader truth of common destiny and the ultimate salvage enshrined in settling to a doctrine predicating around the primordial truth of the commonality of humanity’s destiny; humanity’s interests and humanity’s common welfare.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Said,

      In your long comment divided into eight paragraphs, it is hard to find “simple sentences” and “simple compound sentences.” Except the last paragraph that has two periods, the whole paragraphs are ended with one period, which makes your readers uneasy to comprehend your message. Would it be difficult to you to use simple sentences and simple compound sentences for simplicity to your readers? It isn’t your vocabulary nor isn’t your philosophical or conceptual take, that makes your comment difficult to understand. Rather, it is your compound-complex sentences with many dependent clauses (run-on sentences) in each paragraph of your comment that makes it difficult – at least to understand the gist of your message.

      regards
      Amanuel Hidrat

  • Kalihari Snake

    Hello everyone: Typical profile of TPLF paid propaganda machinists that are loitering on this website:
    1) Lives in Ethiopia
    2) Are always able to make comments even during partial and complete social media blackout
    3) Never says anything negative about the TPLF
    4) Never willing to discuss Ethiopia’s State of Emergency
    5) Always tries to downplay Badme as an insignificant issue
    6) Never willing to discuss Ethiopia’s mass deportation of Eritreans
    7) Frequently masquerades as an Ethiopia and sometimes claims to be former ELF/EPLF
    8) Never wishes to discuss the spoiler role of the U.S.
    9) Never wishes to discuss Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Somalia
    10) Never wishes to discuss Ethiopia more than 2/3 non-Habesha population
    11) Never wishes to admit Ethiopia’s need for emergency food aid
    12) Never wishes to discuss Ethiopia’s human rights violations

  • Kalihari Snake

    Hello Everyone: Why is the Ethiopian (TPLF) Government being so mum at the moment in regards to the State of Emergency? Will it again be renewed? Protests continue throughout the country though of course not captured by Ethiopia media channels. The coming 2-to-4 months are going to be really rough for Ethiopia.

    • Hi K. Snake,

      Why is it so important to you that you continuously ask when the ethiopian state of emergency is going to end? The answer is simply: when the regime in asmara stops sending insurgents in to ethiopia, and when it evicts olf and g7 stationed in eritrea and closes their bases.
      France and turkey are in an ongoing state of emergency. Why is it so unusual then if ethiopia is under a state of emergency, as long as there are elements supported by foreign governments that are ready to wreck havoc in the country and destroy economic infrastructures.
      The amharas and the oromos (which you are going to bring to the discussion), are both in the federal and their state governments, thus participating in the center and the periphery. If there are some supporters of olf and g7, does it mean that both ethnic groups are revolting?
      You have to wait a lot until ethiopia implodes, if ever. How do you guarantee eritrea want implode, because the fault-lines are there whether you accept it or not? We all live in glass houses, and it is no good having ill wish for the one or the other. The demise of ethiopia might drag eritrea with it. Do you care at all?
      As you wait for for the demise of ethiopia due to social upheaval, on the contrary you might be surprised to see social cohesion, as the economic development ties them together. When her economy stands on a firm foundation, ethiopia might even be able to accommodate those whom you forced to flee their country.

      • Kalihari Snake

        Hi Horizon: The status of the State of Emergency in Ethiopia is important as is related to the likelihood and timing of Ethiopia’s implosion. Eritrea did not train or support the more than 15,000 Oromos and 7,500 Amharas that have been imprisoned during Ethiopia’s State of Emergency as they simply acted on their own accord out of pure love for the TPLF and Tigray people. Once the State of Emergency is lifted, the protest festivities will quickly resume.

      • Kalihari Snake

        Hi Horizon: By the way, I am convinced that you have super powers as you have been able to make comments even during periods of total social media blackout in Ethiopia.

  • said

    Greetings,

    Reducing “Islam” to the “Politics of Expediency,” the World is Sacrificing Vision of a “Great Civilization”

    Islamic Civilization – “A Great Civilization” – that cross fertilized into posterior humanity’s civilizations greatly contributing to the great scientific and technological advancements and associated material progress that humanity at large still draws from the “Islamic Civilization” contributions, is at par with all humanity’s renowned “Great Civilizations.”

    Muslims and Islam at large are NOT the Negative Stereotype closely associated to “Terrorism” and the Fanatic and Closed-Minded insignificant tiny percentage of the pariahs of a whole sea of the Earth’s 1.6 billion Muslims inhabiting so many corners of the Globe. Muslims are, in their overwhelming majority at present and historically, the very normal humans participating as most individuals and families in honest constructive labor and the construction of better life for themselves and the others of the human race.

    True, and through its very long history expanding for nearly 1.5 millennia of recorded history, Islam – both as a religion and an overall embracing culture and civilization – encompassed all the contradictions inherent in the fast integration in a mind-boggling speed of so many people and so many cultures under its banner during a short time in history. As both the evolution of Islam as a faith and as an embracing overall civilization bear all the natural contradictions inherent in the fast assimilations of the complexities of the various constituents’ making up of that faith and that civilization contributing the epistemologies and the unique attributes of their unique indigenous cultures; however, in all the resultant constructive values and the relative harmonious co-existence Islam stood out and still stands out as in many different ways quite exemplary when compared with the world’s experiences with the construct and the making of other past and current civilizations.

    Definitely, Islam’s concept of Social Justice and Family Values still stand out – in general and as mostly still generally observed – as superior to the generally overly materialistic and opportunistic “Wild Grab It All,” “Survival of the Fittest” Capitalism centered Western Civilization.

    extrmisem phenomena are an aberration, an anomaly; are but a strange growth, much in the example of a tumor to the human corpse, arisen by non-abating oppression; flagrant exploitations and abject deprivations.

    In all the circumstances giving rise to these aberrations and anomalies – while one could never totally exonerate some of the misguiding isolated religious schools of thought and exclusionist religious teachings – Western Imperialism and Zionist Colonialism, beside the prolonged absence of representative democracies and the lingering vassal system of collaborative Arab regimes; all the above have hugely contributed and continue to contribute to the rise and sustenance of these anomalies and aberrations.

    Undoubtedly, Islamic Teachings require profound re-examination and revisiting to render it more increasingly and more readily relevant to changing times and a changing world. However, faith aside, much in the Islamic values founding expressions in human relations and the sanctity of communal and social relations, foremost with regard to family and social justice, remain in many ways superior to the increasingly materialistic driven comparable Western cultures.

    Accordingly, it was not par hazard and by a pure coincidence that prior to the tragedy of 9/11 that President Bill Clinton, on several occasions, made reference to how Islam as faith was the fastest growing among all religions in America. In essence, President Clinton was mostly alluding to the Islamic Social and human values finding resonance with the average American in search for an answer and an alternative to an increasingly despondent and alienation highly materialistic Western Capitalist values. The average American seemed in search for an alternative system of values that would preserve the average American family from increasing disintegration and disorientation.

    Ultra rights group, Neoliberal ,western imperialist, ultra white raciest, Nazis and fascists let us never forget communism, Stalinism ,All kind of Hawks the like of New Neocon ,white supremacist ,alt-Neo-Nazi , Bolshevisms, far right white nationalist ,we can not remedy injustice and There’s been a lot of genocides done by All kind of warmonger Hawks Maoism in its heyday had legions of hard-core fellow numbered in several millions supporters of Nazism in the 1940s ,today me be a tiny minority of the human race, are succeeding in their disproportionate financial and information powers and influence over the Western polity to increasingly draw a wedge and affect the constructive dialog and the coming together of the Western People and the Islamic World.

    However, and by way of advice, rather belated reckoning the West needs to waken up and reassess its position and true understanding of Islam and the Islamic world. The Western world needs to depart from an archaic paradigm and genuinely, sincerely and constructively engage in addressing the roots and the true causes of the problems giving rise to extremism and fanaticism in a vital Middle East and Islamic world. The West needs to constructively engage with truly representative bodies in the Islamic world to foster mutual trust and develop better conditions for the nurturing of effective communication and meaningful win-win cooperation and collaboration with the enlightened and progressive forces in the Middle Eastern and the Islamic World. The West needs to still tap into the great humanitarian values entailed in Islamic Social values that are beside their practical relevance, can still provide solutions to the current world endemic human and social values.

    • blink

      Dear said
      There is nothing that the west swears to find any good material from any religion book , be it Islam ,Christian and any. If there was any solution from religion we could have been out of the problem. Religion doesn’t have any material that can solve our modern problem or old problems. The Islamic world first must confront their home grown problem. The Islamic world doesn’t respect an individual right to look after his dreams . The Islamic world suffers from its strong held beliefs that Alah is there to respond to their prayers , that reply will never happen and it will never ever happen.

      The civilization that most Arabs brag is no were to be found, it happened long time ago because the Islamic world was moderately ok to free thinkers of Muslims, now free thinkers of Muslims are hunged , bouchered , migrated from their own home. Islamic world must give space to their brilliant sones and daughters , after that you can say things that you are bragging about civilization or any of it .

      The notion the west must give in to some people who looks like nice is a misleading and heinous attempt to deflect the main problem of the Islamic world.

      The political islam must demolished and disremember from the regional political parties if they ever wish to serve their people . Political Islam is the worst that happened to Muslims. When a Turkish president try to talk about any Muslim in the world you know for a fact Islamic world has a fundamental problem. The region must separate religion and state unless the feeling that Political Islam has an answer is a misleading and idiotic. The fact that you continue to reappear with a cruel attitude shows a very bad picture and is disrespect to the modern Muslim thinkers.

      The service of religious dogma to human being is outdated and any one who wants to insert in this modern world is trying to collud with the fanatical idea of religious people.

      Mention one majority Muslim country and tell me what they do and how they threat their free thinkers ? Malaysia, Egypt, Turkey, Iran and others are way way back when it comes to individual freedom. Their leaders must be either religious right wing or dictator.

      The Islamic world has no leaders, infact their place in UN is just due to Saudi money. Saudi are members of women counsels body , so here you have it.

    • KBT

      Selam said
      Why you keep bringing religion ?

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Friends,
    A first person account is posted at Aljazeera. I read it at allafrica. It is so believable and shows the depth of the problem. The writer was a lecture at one and the only in Eritrea,University of Asmara. Towards its last years, professors were still commuting to the UoA on daily basis despite the fact that they had no students to teach. At first, I thought they might still be interested to continue or conclude their research works or to access the library or due to force of nostalgia or habit or just seeking the academic aura. I couldn’t believe I was wrong on guessing all those. The motive was different.
    The writer tells us this: “After the closure, the staff and faculty continued to report to work for a year. We were still receiving our salaries, but we didn’t have any classes to teach. We had no obligation to show up to “work”. However, we continued to do so because our food rations were being distributed at the university campus.”
    Look, universities is different, are meant to be different. The conversation is different. Could you believe campus conversations by professors to be dominated by issues of groceries and bella roba stuff? ! The author tells us the following: “With the ruling party rationing the most basic food items, such as pasta, cooking oil and grain, and with no students to attend to, faculty found food rations the only worthwhile topic of conversation at the university.”
    In the land of magnetic and reclusive weirdos, what is not to happen?!
    For more: http://allafrica.com/stories/201707060229.html

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Hayat,
      It was the Ministries, including the office of the President. A sack of lentils have to be divided between 4 people, so imagine the scenario.

    • Desbele

      Hi Hayat,

      I feel that Eritrea is a huge mine for stories of human suffering and resilience against horrendous social experiment.
      Unfortunately it is not been recorded ….
      One thing that makes me sick is how some educated Eritreans collaborate in DIAs filthy adminstration
      I know once a Dr. (some Shaebia physicians might not have the actual medical degree but are called so as they practice medical work ) slapped a warsai member while he was lying in an examination bed under him. What happened was that the Warsai claims that he suspects he had Kidney problem that pains him on one side of his body. Shaebia physicians always assume that their patients fake their symptoms to get relief from the military hardship.
      The Warsai shouted while the doctor pressed on the part of his body that pains him. And the doctor slapped him on the face right there and insulted him “HASAWI”. He send him back to his post reporting that the Warsai is Ok.
      The Warsai had latter to undergo surgery for the ailment that suffered him. ኣብ ግዜ ሻዕብያ ዘይተነግረ እምበር ዘይተገብረ ክፋእ የለን። ብሓቂ ነውራም ስርዓት

      • Hayat Adem

        Desbele,
        I like your bold takes. I like your exit line above. b’ haqi newram sir’At!
        Somewhere in Asmara, Dr. Kebede was having his midday meal at a restaurant in a rainy day. He had an expensive overcoat he left hanging at the entrance. A thief who happenend to be in the area became tempted up on seeing the coat unattended. He skillfully withdrew it from the hanger and put it on quickly and confidently as if it was his and started walking away. Someone alerted Dr. Kebede before the thief went far. The Dr. ran up to him and asked the thief: “are you by any chance Dr. Kebede?” Confused and thrown off balance by the question, the thief answered “No.” The Dr. then followed up saying “well, this overcoat you are wearing belongs to Dr. Kebede. And Dr. Kebede is me. Would you mind returning it to the owner?”
        Pfdj is a thief. He stole Eritrea because he saw it unattended. He walked away with it because nobody was there to alert us and to stand on the thief’s way at the right spot and time. Now we had to think of very expensive options of stopping the thief and getting our country back because we hadn’t done it at the right time like Dr. Kebede did: confronting the thief.

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Desbele,
        It’s sad when the so called educated Eritreans become murderous tools in the hand of a dictatorship tormenting their own people. Actually this has been the case with a great segment of them since long time; and the pattern didn’t change, by and large, even when the regime has lived through formative phase of its existence and currently using the means of survival strategy that most dictatorships rely on at the end of their life span, namely, extreme reliance of fear mongering and security surveilance.
        The despot and his rule have lost the trust of the majority of the people that has been lacking proper streamlining due to absence of meaningful and trustworthy opposition infrastructure and framework, which has proven a blessing in disguise to the regime.

  • Anis Idris

    Salam All,

    My Observation when I follow the Eritrean News, I visited many East African countries, the President Asias Aforki is the last Dictator at 70 Years old and still Okay. The most African Nations are Active and Hyper in the contrary of the Eritrean People. The People, the Opposition and the Military are Starving yet Quite and Obedient. I wonder Why!?.

    • KBT

      Selam Anis
      Maybe because everything you said is fake,
      It’s a good question? ?
      Maybe you guys need some airs,
      Breathhhhhhhjhj

  • Berhe Y

    Dear AT and all,

    This is typical diplomatic style of IA.

    ገመል ሰሪቅካስ ጉምቡሕ ጉምቡሕ፡፡

    Berhe

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Editors,
    You said “Once again, the Government of Eritrea has to choose between two bad options: accepting an IGAD/AU-mandated peacekeeping group or to formally reverse its support for the Saudi Arabia Coalition and publicly declare, as Somalia and Sudan have done, its neutrality and hope for Qatar reconsideration.”
    My opinion is why does the Eritrean regime have to chose between these two options? Why not send the issue to the UN arbitration and end it through the cartographic unit, the same way as most border issues are resolved, and the same way the Hanish and Badme issues where dealt with?

    • Saleh Johar

      Abraham,
      If filled your reasoning, it would mean the Isaias government is sane and rational thinking. But it is not.

    • saay7

      Selam Abraham:

      The Hanish Crisis didn’t jump to the UN cartographic unit: it was arbitrated by The Hague from 96-98 with UN cartographic unit only providing technical support. By the time Yemen raised its flag on most of the contested islands, November 1998, we were too busy fighting another war.

      And, of course you remember, Badme conflict also went through The Hague for 2 years.

      So these things are settled by lawyers, not geographers. Handsomely rewarded lawyers: the one who won Badme for Eritrea was given a villa in Asmara which is valued more than the entire Badme area.

      The question is why is it that huge cases and long complex borders like Eritrea-Ethiopia and Eritrea-Yemen were decided in 2 years and we are nowhere close to a decision on Eritrea-Djibouti?

      I have theories. In my head they sound very compelling. Maybe I will jot them down here tomorrow.

      And Fanti: yep, Saudi-UAE are getting more brazen. I heard today that they are closing Suez Canal to any ship flying the Qatar flag? These guys hate Aljazeera more than Trump hates CNN.

      saay

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Saay,

        So the lawyer “who won Badme for Eritrea was given a villa in Asmara which is valued more than the entire Badme area.” Look Saay: Badme, the village has an area of 700 square meters. The “badme agricultural region,” we believe it was ours, is awarded to Ethiopia. The lawyer actually didn’t win Badme for Eritrea, rather he swapped with the large areas of our land (that were “not contested area) on the south central border with Ethiopia – that were part of Akeleguzay and Serae. Eritrea lost more land than Ethiopia. So the lawyer is awarded “a villa in Asmara” for swapping a large area of our land to Ethiopia!! Saay, I think in the Eritrean mind, winning politics is more important than anything even at the cost of losing our lands. Zegerm Eyu.

        regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • saay7

          Selam Emma:

          Be baffled no more friend because it’s really clear cut that Eritrea won Badme. If you think usIng words like “win” is inappropriate given the cost involved, I understand and we can pick any other word. But from its purely technical meaning, both Ethiopia and Eritrea made claims in the Badme area, in the Zalanbesa area and in the Bada area.

          After the EEBC ruling, the BBC created a famous map that was color coded and labeled “areas claimed by Ethiopia but awarded to Eritrea” and “areas claimed by Eritrea but awarded to Ethiopia.”

          In the Badme area, the area claimed by Ethiopia but awarded to Eritrea is significantly bigger (at least 5 times) than the area claimed by Eritrea and awarded to Ethiopia. Thats quantitatively. Qualitatively, I have no idea since I have never been to the place.

          In any event, my point was the award was on the basis of lawyers and judges talking and not on the basis of what cartographers and military men say.

          https://goo.gl/images/WkxeNS

          saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            The Ethiopian government understood (a) which are the contested area, and that is “Badme and its environs” and (b) added other claims without any historical background: say for instance all the areas up to Gash river and other pointed areas in the maps as shown in the link, just for the Ethiopian political consumptions. Now Saay, on the former, on “the contested areas”, we won the village “badme” the has an area of 700 square meters, and we lost “the environs” which is the “badme region” the large farming areas. On the later, on the uncontested areas, we lost a large chunk of land which I characterized it “a swapped land for the ‘village Badme.” So my point is we lost both on accounts, on the contested areas and non-contested areas of our land. That is why, I support both sides talking on the issue during demarcation, as far as “the ruling o EEBC” allows both sides “Ethiopia and Eritrea” to talk and make some adjustment, if they want to. What do we lose from talking for something we already lost a big chunk of land?

            regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            Could the 700 sq. meters be 7000 or may be even more, because on 700 sq. meters of land there could be no more than 10 small house at the most..

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Horizon,

            Badme is small village. I know it. The badme region or “envorns” “might” be up to 10,000 square meters or 10 by 10 kilometers. I haven’t seen a villager 7 by 7 kilometers area.

            regards

          • Abraham H.

            Selam AH, just remember when you say 700 square meters, it could mean, for ex. 70 by 10 meters area, sure you’re aware of that.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abraham,

            I get it. What I was trying to say is 700 by 700 meters.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear AH, you are right for sure, esp. from the time you knew it. Even today’s Badme has 1,2km as its longest axis; thanks to google earth:)

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            “The city of Asmara, its longest cross-section, that is from Akria to Godayef was 7 kilometer during the 70s.”

            I could be wrong, 7 km Akria to Godayef sounds too short.

            Even when we were kids running with our enklil it use to take us a good few hours (all most all day), if we finish that is.

            If it’s only 7 km, I think it would have taken us only an hour.

            When we use to watch cycling race an enda Mariam, the professionals use to do about 100 km race. They would start from gheza Kenisha and the go all the way to the 2nd police station and they make a round. If I remember corrrectly that was 2km for the round trip in a single stretch street that you can see.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Berhe,
            I have a story related to that:
            In the eighties the late Lloyd Ellingson who was a peace corps teacher in Asmara held a Fasiga lunch and invited many Eritrean who lived in Jeddah. I was one. Most of the guests were from Asmara. And Lloyd lived in the airport residential compound. In the course of the conversation we talked about the extreme large area of the airport because you have to drive over 10 kms. To get to the international terminal from the demostic one. I innocently, and casually said, “the size of this airport is many folds the size of Asmara” most were taken aback and were offended: Kaaba kudzi nesmera ne’iqkaya! I tried to justify my comment and said something close to what Emma said but I estimated the size of Asmara to around ten square kilometers. Hell broke loose and some of the guest became combative. To my surprise, among the guest was the late memhir Asres Tessena (could be some one from MHber tester Asmara) came to my defense: he is right see the air distance from Akita to Godaif, it is not more that 4 or 5 kms. And the width is even smaller.
            Everybody froze because they cannot accuse him of not knowing what he was talking about like they did to me. One of them never talked or greeted me for years even when we met in weddings. Therefore, Asmara is not bigger that 12 sq kntrs. As I know it until the early nineties.

            Now I have to duck.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saleh,

            Thank you for sharing. When I went back to Eritrea, I was shocked to see how small the airport is and how close it is to the city that we thought was really far.

            Saay, In terms of the distance between akria / godaif, there was or use to take bus / route, #4. It starts from Akria and goes all the way to godaif (may be doesn’t go straight line), but I couldn’t imagine that’s only 7 km.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Hey Berhe:

            In measuring areas of polygons, I think they use the “as the crow flies” (a hypothetical straight line in the sky) method for calculating length. You and your Enklil, and Bus # 4 for that matter, did not have that luxury as you had to navigate around buildings from Akhria to Godaif extending the distance to probably 10k.

            Speaking of 10k, did you see Ethiopias Genzebe Dibaba destroy the competition and run a mile in 4:20 mins? At the finish line not a drop of sweat, and the second place finisher coming 9 secs behind her. She is amazing.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay,

            No I didn’t see the race. I am boycotting watching any sport this summer, specially during the tour season. Not happy that there is no ERITREAN in the tour.

            May be the straight line is 7K but still I am not convinced it’s 10 K, from Akiria to Godaif. May be you didn’t play with Enklil but we actually did try the actual path of bus #4 route. I think I missed lunch on one Saturday (and there was no lunch in our house if you are not at the table at fadus) and it must have taken at least 4 hours.

            Years ago with a running group I use to run, we do 10 and 1 and we are done in about an hour for 10K.

            Haile Ghebreslassie, his bio says he use to run 10K everyday to go to school and another 10 to go back).

            So if Haile lived in Akria and he would go to school, St. Antonio Godaif, he would have to run the whole thing.

            I think it would take haregot bus an hour with the stops.

            But you may be correct. Asmarino’s (not that I call myself one) have different perspective about their city. For example, when the soccer stodium was being renovated, the games where stopped. And we were expecting it would look like the premier league field with patterned grass. After 6 months when it opened, there was ok grass but the centre of the field was dirt. They could never get it to be green, as long as I remembered. When I came to Canada, I was going on a bus from Toronto to Ottawa (at least 5 hrs drive). It was summer, and I couldn’t believe how green the country is. And when I see the green grass across the open field all nicely cut, just blow my mind. How can the take care of lawn for the whole country and was picturing the Asmara Stodium.

            In the early 2000 I think, we went for hicking and walk along Lake Ontario with my good friend SA. He was totally mesmerized with the scale, of the field, the lake, water etc. He said, siQ eilna Ertra, Ertra nubil ember, SeliU adi hibuna alo. It was funny, I haven’t heard the word SeliU (as in when your mother use to give you qicha SeliAa with your TuAmot). He continued, “ezi BaSE zbluwo, kindizi do yKewn), then I couldn’t stop it. A year or so later, he went and visited massawa:).

            Berhe

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi SGJ,
            You spoke of your estimate sense of the area of Asmara in the 80s at a social get together. Can you really imagine of people being offended by that? And one of them wouldn’t talk to you for years because of that comment! “One of them never talked or greeted me for years even when we met in weddings.” This kind of sensitivity for nothing maybe unique that it deserves to go to the UNESCO book: raw geography graduating to become sentimental politics and quickly upgraded to become personal issue.
            I also know one social gathering ending up to be a real physical fight in 2003 because two men were discussing IA. What triggered anger was one of them suggesting that IA and his group are not the real and typical deqibat Eritreans. One person became so furious and over-animated that he completely forgot about embarrassing our hosts and didn’t care about ruining the event. He had no sense of shame and he thought he was justified and making sense in reacting like that. Shame on you, Mr.G, for ruining that party and saddening those selfless hosts!
            By the way, I never got a chance to let him know that minus his embarrassing anger and foolish show of physicality, we were on the same side of the argument. It amazes me when some people find it necessary or relevant to speak of IA’s less Eritreanness,

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Berhe, at least measuring on google earth, the longest axis of Asmara running almost north-south is ca.7km air distance. And guess what, the Godena Harinet is exactly 1km long, running almost east-west.

          • saay7

            Abraham:

            Hmmm, I don’t know why in the age of Google Maps and Wikipedia page for Asmara we are debating this as if we are estimating some newly discovered planet 😂

            Just google “Asmara, Eritrea area” and within seconds you will have it 🙂 The Last map the gov produced (actually the World Banks funding produced was in 2003.

            Saay

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, why we debate this despite Google? Well, I think sometimes we debate issues just for the sake of it, because we enjoy ‘elal’:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe & All,

            Just for clarification: I heard it in a radio news in 1973. The program was on “the growth of our towns into modern urbanization”. So the the distance I gave you in my comment was not a guessed figure rather it is an info from radio broadcast. But hey if the current area of Asmara is 45 square kilometers, then my info is not far from it.

            Regards

          • Legacy

            Hi Emma and Saay,

            I am always fascinated how threads tend to pickup steam out of no where across various platforms. Recently, Addis Fortune also run an editorial on the same topic, titled: “Ethiopia: Seeking No War, Achieving No Peace With Eritrea,” which more all less came to a same conclusion that – EPRDF dropped the ball when it came to the treaty.

            Over confidence in military breakthroughs and a looming rift within the Party, the paper maintains were the culprits as to why Ethiopia got stuck with the short end of the stick. That is hardly a revelation but what I found illuminating was the paper’s take on the ramifications of the ” over-corrective” policies undertaken by the Party upon realizing the cardinal sin it committed by agreeing to treaty without knowing its outcome. Who does that?

          • blink

            Dear legacy
            I think the Top brass of both countries used the war to their own narrow advantage. You know TPLF used the war to complete their domination over the others and asked the Ethiopians to back them and made them as the owners of Ethiopia. After the war Ethiopia supposed to be called Tigrai. We have a Tigrai country that goes with the name of Old Ethiopia minus the Amhara and others. Now Effort controls every muscle of Ethiopian economy.

            On the other side PFDJ under the umbrella of war used to throw Eritreans under containers for endless time. Isaias and his cronies used the war to complete their dream of destroying Eritreans private sector, dominated the political space by iron , Issaias let himself take all the pride and put the nation on the brink of collapse. Now 09 controls every thing that can be consumed by the people. Issaias and his cronies run Eritrea as if they are running a crush game. These people still use Eritreans blood to live their daily life.

            The lose of life on both sides was horrible and simply not to celebrate. The war was not won by any one if we can see the price.

          • Legacy

            Hi Blink,

            “After the war Ethiopia supposed to be called Tigrai. We have a Tigrai country that goes with the name of Old Ethiopia minus the Amhara and others. Now Effort controls every muscle of Ethiopian economy.”
            You really don’t believe that, do you? Appears you have been keeping bad company.

          • blink

            Dear legacy
            No , I am not . I can back up every thing that is done for the sake of a new country called Tigrai. You may say everything on your vocabulary yet you can’t change the reality.
            TPLF with out the war were simply declared dead . If you don’t believe see the election of 2005 where meles wakes up to horrible situation to kill Ethiopians from a very larger community on gun point. This is just an example.

          • Legacy

            Hi Blink,

            You are a different breed from the rest here . Who is whispering these impure thoughts into your ears ?

            Let’s just say for the sake of argument that Tigray is coated with gold dust, which by the way even most ardent government critics would disagree with you , why would that displease you? It is not as if its success leaves you worse off.

          • blink

            Dear legacy
            No ,it’s Gold don’t have any impact on me nor do I care ,but you shouldn’t try to cover the open truth. It pleases me when the Tigrai people benefit from their hard work and there is nothing wrong about it, what you don’t want to talk is about the very few who benefit by the name of the public (the Tigrai people). Now , are you trying to say the Gonder people are smiling at your Top TPLF cronies?? If your answer is yes there is no point going back and forth.

          • saay7

            Selam Legacy:

            I know what you mean: we are supposed to discuss the 2017 crisis but we are discussing 2002 decision…and all because of Abrahams question, I think, and some throwaway line about a lawyer and the villa she was rewarded. That villa, and the home of a soldier from Abshawel who died in Badme, are part of UNESCOs new World Heritage site of Asmara, if you want to combine even more threads.

            Ethiopia has no choice but to go to arbitration because, for two years, it had given preconditions for going to arbitration: return of status quo ante. Once that was restored, because it had already committed to the UN and the African Union that it would (for two long years, with an average of one press release a month), it couldn’t renege without becoming a rogue state.

            Not that it didn’t try. There was one press release it issued claiming that because it had sacrificed so much to restore the status quo ante, it will dictate the terms but it got such a huge and immediate pushback from the US and UN it quickly backed away.

            saay

          • Selam saay,

            I am forced to disagree with you here. If ethiopia can renege now after the the final decision of the eebc, and she can go scot-free without being called a rogue state or whatever, she could have reneged then on her words, much more easily.
            Foolishly the tplf government believed that it had the decision that favoured it in its pocket, and M.Z. wanted to show to the world that he is a good actor on the international stage. The tplf government went for arbitration ignoring the fact that ethiopia was the victim of aggression, she had spent hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions, and sacrificed tens of thousands of her young, to bring the status quo ante and beyond, by capturing almost 30% of eritrean land.
            At the time, there were not real ethiopian rulers, but proxy rulers. I have said other times and I am forced to repeat it, I really doubt if there is a country in history that paid so much and got so little, by going for arbitration instead of dictating its terms as the victor. Tplf will be remembered for turning a victory after such a big sacrifice into defeat. The problem was all about having a softer spot in their hearts for eritrea than for ethiopia, which at the end did not serve the interests of eritrea nor that of ethiopia.

          • saay7

            Horizon:

            I don’t know which part you are disagreeing with since by your own admission “M.Z. wanted to show to the world that he is a good actor on the international stage. ” The fact you are forgetting is that in 1998-2000 it wasn’t just Meles who was the darling of the West; so was Isaias. So there was a hard push by the US, EU (Russia and China were entirely irrelevant then) to bring the matter to a close as soon as possible. And to do that the US-EU had gotten incremental agreements each building on the other: Framework Agreement, Modalities, Ceasefire, then the Algiers Agreement.

            saay

          • Saay,

            IA was an outlaw then by starting the war (i am sure that the world powers knew), and he is an outlaw today. Nothing has changed. If there is anybody that changed, it is tplf, which has been forced to choose sides, and i believe that it has chosen side now.

          • saay7

            Horizon:

            I invite you to read the Western press of 1991-2000. Not just the press but the assorted think tanks, politicians (Hillary in Eritrea; Her husband describing him as part of the new post Big Men African leaders; and all the hymns from the NGOs and GOs.

            TPLF changed for purely tactical reasons: to win a war. It released from prison and activated Derg-era pilots–the same ones who were bombing it when it was a guerrilla org. It adopted the vocabulary of the people it used to call “chauvinists.” And, as the ultimate move of winning over its former enemies it deported Eritreans by the tens of thousands because they voted in the Eritrean referendum–the same one it facilitated. There is nothing admirable in any of these. And although in Ethiopia this may have gotten it a lot of cheers, it had a political cost with the group that the late Meles Zenawi was trying so very hard to impress: the West.

            saay

          • Olana

            Dear Horizon
            I understand the clumsy handling of the case in the court and failure of the government to take advantage of the situation to at least return everything to where it was while it had an upper hand on the war. That is everybody’s reservation on the government’s handling of the issue. There are many other cases before and after Badme where the government failed to react on time and take necessary measures before things went out of control. That is the main problem with the EPRDF up to now. I do not agree with your claim that they have a softer heart for Eritrea. You might not know that TPLF and EPLF have never been in good terms apart from the short-lived strategic alliance to defeat Derg. Back to Badme, all I can see is MZ’s maturity and wisdom. First he tried to solve the problem through peaceful means resisting the pressure from the hardliners of his own party to go to war. Because of the stubbornness and ignorance of the Eritrean government, EPRDF leadership forced to vote to reverse the aggression by going in to a full-fledged war and Meles played a big role to end the war in a short period of time though he was in favor of going to war. Imagine what could have happened if Ethiopia continued to control more than 30% of Eritrean land. Imagine if the Siyas and Gebrus were PM of the country. His intention unlike the hardliners was to return the status quo ante and he accomplished that and next move was to go for arbitration.
            The Badme case could have been solved by the elders of the people in the contested area without going to war that created a rift between the two people that might take decades to restore the confidences among the two people, if only there is willingness and commitment by the two government. Many believe such kind of problem solving technique will bring a lasting peace because the people around the area know every land, every animal and every human that belongs to Eritrea and Ethiopia. THE THING IS BADME WAS USED AS EXCUSE by the Eritrean government. It is sad to note that many of us tried to capitalize on the failure rather than on the solution. I know the no war no peace situation serves a purpose for some of the people in the forum. Forget Saay’s hair splitting analysis that always comes after things happened. Now do you think we will have a sustainable peace if we implement the court’s decision as it is?

          • Selam Olana,

            If we believe that ethio-eritrean problem boils down only to badme, yes, solving this issue may theoretically bring peace. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that.
            If we believe that there is no ethio – (eplf+pfdj) problem and animosity for over the last half century, yes solving badme could bring sustainable peace. Unfortunately, there was/is deep rooted hate for the very existence of ethiopia, by both fronts, which shows that badme is the means rather than the end in this confrontation.
            If the eritrean regime is ready to sacrifice a whole nation for the sake of a small piece of land badme, it is impossible to believe that the point of contention lies there, and the regime is not ready to pay more sacrifices just to get at its enemy. There are many countries in the world that have a similar and even more serious border problems, yet they are not at a war footing with each other.

            Therefore, the reason is much deeper than that, which is the very existence of ethiopia, as many of the regime supporters say, and wish her demise and implosion day and night. Peace is impossible with the present regime in asmara. It has a history of thirty years of war and another almost twenty years of confrontation and anomaly.
            Only a civilian eritrean government of the future can be at peace with ethiopia and all the nations of the horn, and badme could then be solved very easily. This regime survives on conflicts and out of conflicts, and there is no guarantee it will be at peace with itself and others, however you bribe it.

            Finally on the badme war: I am not for the occupation of the 30% of land. It was the result of the war effort and not the aim of the war. What ethiopia should have done as a victim of aggression was to go back to the status quo ante, say problem solve – end of the war, without any recognition of the right of the aggressor that caused so much damage; much more without committing the blunder of arbitration.

          • Olana

            Dear Horizon
            I agree with you. We are in the same track. When I say lasting peace I don’t mean with the current regime in Eritrea and followers of its ideology. Thanks for the clarification.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Olana. You say that “THE THING IS BADME WAS USED AS AN EXCUSE by the Eritrean government”. And yes, should Ethiopia follow the Rule of Law and withdraw from Badme, it would leave PIA with no excuse to maintain his agitated position, there would be no acceptable reason for endless national service, and sustainable peace could then evolve.

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            The claim that Ethiopia was claiming areas for which it had no historical background and therefore it didn’t really lose territories is hard to prove. All we have is the representations both governments and their high-priced lawyers made to EEBC. On the basis of that, EEBC created maps that said “this is what Ethiopia claimed”, “this is what Eritrea claimed” and “this is our decisions.” When you superimpose the three maps (Eritreas claim, Ethiopia’s claim, EEBC decision) it is very clear that the decision heavily-favored Eritrean claims not just in the Badme sector but also in the Asab sector.

            There are two anamolies that makes me question your claim that Ethiopia was making claims of lands that it knew didn’t belong to it for “Ethiopian political consumption.”

            1. The reason Monoxeito now belongs to Eritrea is not on the strength of the arguments Eritrea made. It is simply because Ethiopia said it doesn’t balong it to us and the judges said, “well, the documents show it belongs to you but we cannot ignore the claim you made, on the record, that it doesn’t belong to us.

            2. In the Bada region, Eritrea and Ethiopia were actually disowning their own land with both sides GIVING THE OTHER SIDE. Literally, “no, no, we insist, you keep this: it is yours.” For years I thought that must have been some nuclear waste site.

            Badme village and environs is huge because it was the flashpoint and because Ethiopia, stupidly and stubbornly, staked everything on it. Whoever ends up being awarded Badme is “the winner.” That’s just how the world works: remember when Yemen was awarded the big island, and most of the contested smaller islands, it was considered “the winner.” That is life, until you find me a substitute word. I do agree with you that given the costs paid by both countries, it is border-line obsence to use the word win. But what is the word one uses when one is celebrating an outcome (as Eritrea did after Badme was awarded) and the other side is mourning (as Ethiopia did after it found out it lost Badme)?

            Saay

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat: You say that ‘the ruling of EEBC” allows both sides “Ethiopia and Eritrea” to talk and make some adjustment’. What part of Final and Binding do you not understand?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kalihari,

            First you cut a phrase that says “if they want to” which is the key word of the clause from the sentence. Second if you are not familiar with that clause, either revisit the document or check with the lawyer who was responsible for the “case” on the Eritrean side. As simple as that. But since the document is in the public domain, you could google to find it out.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Amauel Hidrat: I cut the words as they are simply not germane given Ethiopia’s refusal to unconditionally accept the border ruling as Final and Binding. Instead, Ethiopia wished to insert conditionalities, which clearly run askew with the meaning of Final and Binding, when it indicated that it accepted the ruling ‘in principle’ only. Ethiopia then started to play games when it started to insist on ‘dialogue’ as well as the ‘creation of an alternative mechanism’ and the introduction of ‘third party or a neutral body’ to demarcate the border.

            The Commission rejected Ethiopia’s requests. The legal view of the EEBC on Ethiopia’s diplomatic games was firm and left no room for ambiguity. The President of the Eritrea-Ethiopia Boundary Commission (EEBC), Sir Elihu Lauterpacht, in a letter (quoted below), dated 27th November 2006, addressed to the then Foreign Minister of Ethiopia, debunked Ethiopia’s blame game and put squarely the responsibility of the problems encountered in the demarcation process on Ethiopia’s intransigence and obstructions.

            “You place great emphasis on ‘the need for dialogue and support by neutral bodies to help the two Parties make progress in demarcation and normalization of their relations.’ Of course, ‘the normalization of relations’ is a desirable objective but that is a matter that falls outside the scope of the Commission’s mandate, which is solely to delimit and demarcate the border. The scope for ‘dialogue’ is limited to what is necessary between the Commission and the Parties to further the actual process of demarcation on the ground. There is no room within the framework of the Algiers Agreement for the introduction of ‘neutral bodies’ into the demarcation process.”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kalihari,

            I know all the story. And I know we lost a chunk of land. What do you lose from talking with our counterpart, if we can make any adjustment that gives peace to the people who reside on the border area. Just google and read the recent agreement between Belgium and Netherlands who swap land to simplify the border. Keep in mind that It wasn’t a contested area, they just did it for the convenience of their people. Arrogance doesn’t solve anything. Working for the convenience and peace of our people in the border area is paramount than anything. I wish it was a week end to link the agreement between Belgium and Netherlands.

            Regards

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat. A face-to-face meeting between PIA/PFDJ and the TPLF, would be a big political risk for Eritrea and not Ethiopia. Anyways, given the mistrust that Eritrea has for the TPLF, a face-to-face will never take place. The only option that I see while the TPLF is at the helm of the Ethiopian Government, it to bring in a neutral regional coordination apparatus such as EAC or a neutral third country such as Japan, to play a mediator role. Ethiopia’s position could then be clearly laid down on paper and the mediator could take it from there. I take note of your comment on Belgium and Netherlands but Badme is a completely different kettle of fish given the number of lives lost on both sides and in that it represents the only time that a country (Ethiopia) which voluntarily entered into a special U.N. demarcation process, has clearly refused to unconditionally accept the U.N bodies decision.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam K.Snake, please tell me in clear language as to what Eritrea loses from sitting together with Ethiopia, and listening to their version of the issue; what the Ethiopian demands are, and what they want to achieve from negotiations? There are some people who say that going to dialogue would nulify the EEBC decision. I’m not a legal expert but I couldn’t believe this could be the case, because the EEBC decision is an internationally witnessed, guaranteed and documented verdict which couldn’t simply be null and void because the parties concerned chose to make some adjustments for the sake of convenience of the border residing people affected by the ruling.

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Abraham H. This political risk would be entirely on the Eritrean side. In this equation, there is every reason to use a neutral mediator/facilitator that could directly receive Ethiopia’s written demands and to communicate them to the Eritrean side. Face-to-face meetings are a no go, at least while the TPLF is in control of the Ethiopian Government.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi K.Snake, “This political risk would be entirely on the Eritrean side.”; I don’t know how you reached at this conclusion. I think both sides have comparable political risks in pursuing a solution to the border issue; but am of the opinion the dividend of a final resolution far outweighs any risks. However, it is good to see that you even support an indirect talks through a neutral mutually agreeable third party. That kind of position is way pragmatic than what most of the hard necked pfdj and its hardline supporters insist on- ‘final and binding’, ‘no negotiations whatsoever’, etc. At least those indirect dealings could slowly lead to more direct bilateral talks that aim to solve all the underlying problem areas between the two sides.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi K. Snake,
            I’m afraid it is you who is not understanding. Nowhere in the APA agreement is a provision stating the exclusion of talk nor does such a thing make sense when undertaking such a huge task that involves the exchanges of territories and nationals. Talking would never jeopardize or undermine the essence of the agreement. Secondly, the responsibility of the implementation or alteration of the agreement (should they both want) is given to both parties.
            Besides, few days ago, you proposed a sense of COMPROMISE as a way forward. You also proposed a mediation talk in Arusha between the two. Isn’t that a talk on the very same final and binding agreement? This is a double talk of the confused and confusing.
            Snakes don’t have twin tongues for nothing!

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Hayet Adem: Sorry but you are simply wrong. A big difference between Eritrea and Ethiopia is that a majority of Ethiopias are always stoned on Khat which is not allowed in Eritrea. I believe that you must be a heavy consumer as ‘an exchange of territories’ in no way relates to the meaning of ‘Final and Binding’.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Kal,

            Make your arguments and show you support for Eritrea as much as you wanted. But please stop comparing and insulting an entire country and people because you don’t agree with the current Ethiopian leaders.

            Please do not forget, the current Eritrean and Ethiopian leaders were in bed together when it suited them. You can’t measure and compare the relation ship between Eritrean and Ethiopian people by two government who do not even have any trust by their own people.

            Please show some humility..if there are unfortunate Ethiopians who are starving or going though tough time not out of their own making, it’s not cause for celebration but rather show compassion.

            Eritreans all over Europe, African, Mediterranean are going through tough time right now and it’s hardly cause for a celebration.

            Please grow up..you will not have a chance to change a mind of a single Eritrean or Ethiopian by constantly insulting people on their misery. It’s only showing your cruelty.

            Berhe

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Berhe Y: With all do respect, 98+% of Ethiopians commenting on this website are paid TPLF propaganda machines so I really do not care if they are insulted by my remarks.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Kal,

            Assuming what you said is true “98%+ are paid TPLF agents”, what percentage of the Ethiopian people they represent.

            The suggestion is to focus on the people that you disagree with but leave the people and the country alone.

            The fact is, a lot of your own country people are running away to the “enemy” land and they are finding safety they couldn’t in their own homes.

            You seem to care about the boarder and the well being of your country and people. If you are somewhat close to the ERITREAN government officials, and you may be better of advising them to be merciful to their people and let the people have some normal and dignified life in their own country. That’s within our control but the rest “badime” issue, it’s important but we will not have much luck convincing / forcing anyone to listen.

            Berhe

          • Kalihari Snake

            Hi Berhe: Suggest that you go now and play with Hayet Adem as you both have the same spacial understanding of numbers.

          • Desbele
          • saay7

            Selamat Desbele:

            Nicely done, and let me reciprocate. Here’s Google Earth of Badme (in Gash-Barka, Eritrea):

            https://earth.google.com/web/@14.72570365,37.8056073,1065.60629398a,2272.58743602d,35y,0h,0t,0r

            I think the lawyer did really, really, well. I would take her villa over this dusty blood-drenched thing anytime, any day. Twice on Sundays:)

            saay

      • Desbele

        Hi Saay
        This is brilliant. “Handsomely rewarded lawyers: the one who won Badme for Eritrea was given a villa in Asmara which is valued more than the entire Badme area.” And the value is definitely more than what is compensated for those who perish in this reckless war instigated by DIA. How sad !!
        The villa was built by Segen Construction co.in few years.A very iconic place around Bar Torino. I dont think if even the lawyer lived there. But she dont mind having a villa as a bonus in a UNESCO heritage city!

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Saay, Emma and Berhe,
          I googled it. Asmara is 17.37 sq kms. ( 6.7 sq miles) it seems my guess three decades ago (apx. 12 sq kms ) was not that off

          • saay7

            Haha SGJ:

            Nope, it is 17.37 square miles, and not kilometers 😂

            That is 45 sq km.

            I think you may have out of habit accidentally typed Keren.

            saay

          • Kebessa

            Hello SAAY,
            According to the same source (Wikipedia), Addis’ size is 203 sq miles and 8000 for Khartoum (I don’t believe that for a second!). So do we use linear math to conclude that Addis is 12 times the size of Asmara, or is there more element to it?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kebessa,
            .
            What is that 8000 for Khartoum?
            There are over 4 million people living in Addis. It should not be a surprise as to the physical size of it.
            What is a surprise to me is saay’s 17.37 sq. miles for Asmara. That is 4.2 miles north/south by 4.2 miles east west, I think that is too small.
            Mr Johar was saying it was even smaller, is there some kind of inside joke. Now I am curious I am going to Google and see.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kebessa

            Hi Kim,
            The 8000 is supposedly the sq mile for Kartum. It doesn’t look right. But the 17-18 sq miles is probably the correct size for Asmara, although I believe this is an old data. I would say it is bigger today. But one wouldn’t know this living in it, but Asmara is a small and over crowded city. When I went there last year after a long time, everything seemed smaller to me – the cars, the buildings, the distance from one neighborhood to the other, the airport (Berhe is right),…everything got mysteriously smaller. I remember on my way to America, I stayed in Addis for 3 months and I was fascinated by the size and the tall buildings all around. Plus, the food was plentiful and inexpensive compared to Asmara. I really loved Addis, have good memories. Awesome city!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam haw Kebessa,

            Don’t be surprised, Asmara is a small city. Second you better believe on the science of google. Third, cities and towns posses irregular shapes, it is not like a defined regular object. Look how Kim tried to calculate the area of Asmara 4.2 mile by 4.2 mile as if it has a square shape. There is a way how to calculate the area of irregular shapes. Google Addis and Khartoum and you will find them as irregular shapes.

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Emma,
            I think KH used approximates, just like I did because we are not really surveying the area but talking about size in a casual manner. But of course irregular shapes are not squares though estimating average width and length and multiplying them is common. Besides, Saay mentioned Polygon and eagle eye distance , as I used air distance to explain the irregularity of most geographical areas.

          • saay7

            Hi Kebessa:

            I don’t know if you have Google Earth or Google Pro but you can actually calculate the area of Asmara (or Khartoum or Cairo or Addis) using the tools that come with it. Here’s how:

            http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/measure-area-distance-google-maps-earth/

            The 1994 and 2003 maps of Asmara also come with a legend that has a scale if you want to do it the old fashioned way with a ruler.

            Wikipedia is as you know edited by everyone. So many the estimate for Khartoum includes the two Niles 😉

            saay

          • blink

            Dear Mr. Saleh
            If the guy who argued with about Asmara read your numbers about Asmara, I think he has a solid reason to get mad at your explanation of Asmara of 17.37 km Square Km, I used to take bus number 2 from Mai Temenai to Geza Banda . I am officially offended by your demonizing view of Asmara 😂 , what’s happening ? 17.37 km square is not a city . Saay let’s take Mr. Saleh to court .

          • Saleh Johar

            Don’t worry Blink,
            I am sure Bus number 2 was not a helicopter 🙂
            If you incorporate all the villages around the city, you can expand Asmara to Beleza, Adi Nefas, to Dbaruba (Dubarwa), and Adi Gebrai, you can have a 60-something square miles–the poor villagers will do nothing when their farmlands is expropriated, there is a reason for that now. UNESCO said we have to expand the city, the PFDJ will say.

            AS for being offended, not that I know you are from Asmera, I am not surprise, you guys are offended even if one says the sky is blue! What’s new Blink 🙂

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Saleh
            I was just indicating to the number not offended really .The helicopter thing is epic and about the ”blue” thing, well saay is here so i do not need to say a word . Yes you are 100% right about the grabbing of land. The outskirt of Asmara like Adi Abeyto , Adi guaedad ,adi hawusha even more to all surrounding lost their land to PFDJ cronies . They do not have any place to farm , I guess it is a natural thing to run over their land and give no compensation in the Era of PFDJ. I am sure the point you raised about expanding will take place as we speak.

    • Kalihari Snake

      Hi Abraham: Part of the problem is that the AU and IGAD are headquartered in Ethiopia and Djibouti; not the most neutral arrangement.

  • Selam All,

    It has become an unavoidable habit for the regime in Asmara to find itself in the wrong place, at the wrong time and for the wrong reason.
    Remember occupied crimea, an other political blunder, when eritrean officials paid a visit to the region soon after Russia incorporated it into its own territory.
    Ethiopia was forced to severe diplomatic relations with Qatar in 2008, because it was standing on the side of the eritrean regime, and look what Qatar got in return, back stabbing. This shows political opportunism, the regime is used to, and never got any dividend out of it, but never learns from its mistakes.

    • Nitricc

      Horizon; don’t worry, Egypt will occupy what id vacated by the Qataris. hahahahahah; I see your weyane shhhhing in their pants. My man the tied has changed and your evil weyane’s plans are gone with the wind. Please welcome the Egyptians, be nice lol.

      • Hi Nitricc,
        Do you think that it is normal you should worship the egyptians so much? Egyptians have so many problems on their hands – social, economic and military problems, and you think that they are the giants of the region. Egyptian soldiers are dying in the sinai almost every day, egypt’s economy is in shambles (that is why they are selling their islands to the saudis for some billions), tourism has come to a grinding halt, the egyptian society is divided and in turmoil, etc, what is so important if 500 egyptian soldiers are stationed at the djibouti-eritrean border, and you jump up and down as if you have won a lottery?
        Calm down, it is no good salivating so much for the egyptians. They are not naive, and for sure they would not want to die for the sake of the eritrean regime. They know that your regime is the wrong type of investment.

        • Hayat Adem

          For Horizon, about Nitricc,
          Some people are good hearted but they make many mistakes contradicting their intention. Some are smart but cold hearted and they make many mistakes in conformity to their hearts but against goodness. But few are indeed dangerously denied of the general goodness in basic humanity and generously endowed with meanness and cruel intentions; call that double hazard! It is like someone consumes and produces toxic. You can’t charm them nor educate them nor expect a lesson or two from them. I only engage him when I think doing so will have an entertainment element. Basically, I embody Abi when responding to Nitricc.
          When is Luel Ras Abi getting home?! I wish the Moderator has a power of bringing back members as it has of purging them out.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hayat,
            I think the miderators gave him until July 1st to cool off and return leaving his insulting instincts behind. Maybe he is having difficulty in sending the bad traits off. But I wish he succeeds in fighting his demons and returns. But the choice is always his. I checked his account and his account is active.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,
            .
            I am sure Abi will post his non-compromising RESPONSES to all those who are endowed with the flip side of that “insulting instincts” you abhor.
            I don’t think we have to look too far for the proof.
            If you ask me, responses to insults is a natural instincts. It has to be weighted in that scale.
            .
            Mr Johar.
            On a different subject, I thought I would ask for your measured response to an article I read a week or so ago. It was right after the Head of States of the AU meeting.
            The news article I read stated that AU decided to build a statues of Haile Selassie and Meles on the grounds of the headquarters of the AU for their contribution to Africa.
            Since that day, I haven’t heard any comment or statement about it. I am beginning to think it might be fake news.
            If it was a real news item, I am sure we all would have heard from you. Am I wrong on my assumption?
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Mr.K.H

            No!!! My friend that news is true… and that will be materialized very soon..

            KS,,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kokhob Selam,
            .
            I am glad it is real and you read the news too. It was a surprise to me about the lack of coverage on Ethiopian web sites and other media.
            I guess time has marched on and it is not significant to anyone anymore, except folks like me hanging on to ancient history.
            .
            In Ethiopia and I am sure in Eritrea, country folks have a way of calling and passing short messages in artful ways to someone 400 yards away in the open field . It was poetic.
            I haven’t read any Amharic poetry from you lately, I wonder if you can mimic our country side folks and call on Abi to do the same.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Mr. K.H

            I am almost in Bahir Dar..Lol !!! I may know more than you regarding your nation …

            The only person that match me was Ras abi..here now that he is not around the only master about what Ethiopian information … is me…

            KS,,

          • Selam Kim Hanna and Khokob Selam,

            I hope the news is true, although this is the first time i hear about it. M.Z. acted in a mean way when he said ‘no’ in the first place. Both HSI and M.Z. deserve to have their statues at the AU headquarters, the first as one of the founding fathers in his own capital city, and the second for fighting those who wanted to remove the AU from addis, especially the late libyan dictator, M.G., by bribing african heads of states In addition, both have contributed to african politics.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            I hope it is true too in Haile Selassie’s case. The Meles inclusion must be some kind of compromise. Nekruma and Haile Selassie were the mid-wives of the African Unity project.
            .
            As I said before, I am a Later Day convert when it comes to Meles. He is not an African icon, he is an Ethiopian/Eritrean icon.
            In fact, I believe his statues should be erected, as boarder markers, of Ethiopia and Eritrea once it is completed. The Janus statues, that is. He used his genius to work for Eritrea 1st and foremost, and then for Ethiopia’s interest in pragmatic adjustment.
            In other simple words, he worked hard for both his mother and father. He was a true son to both even at the bitter divorce proceedings.
            .
            So what I am saying is the statue of Meles should be in Ethiopia and Eritrea and not in African Union grounds. That honor belongs to Haile Selassie.
            .
            A personal note:
            I and my friends as little children playing in the dirt mounds at the African Hall foundation were surprised when the Emperor surrounded with body guards was visiting progress at the site. The vivid memory was we bowed as we should and he had a smile for the dirty little kids.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            If M.Z. had arrived in addis in 1991 with an ethiopian heart, the region could have avoided the mess it is in today. He was a latter day convert. Who can forget when he said with contempt “we have no problem with that piece of cloth (ethiopian flag), or if not my way ethiopia is not meant to be, the way he rationalized on the media and the world stage ethiopia’s landlocked status, and many more”.
            Personally I have no problem with the fact that he helped eritrean independence, and he should have done so, because that was the reason ethiopia lost her peace. Nevertheless, the cost of the divorce for ethiopia should not have been getting landlocked. It was not a clean divorce. It was full of hate and contempt for ethiopia, and that is why we see all these things happening today and we would continue to see in the future.
            Even the economic development in ethiopia may have had an outside push, mainly from the west (remember the billions they poured into ethiopia) than purely his initiative. Nevertheless, he knew how to capitalize on it.
            Unfortunately, he had a hybrid heart, more eritrean than ethiopian, which at the end did not serve eritrea’s interests, because shabia was demanding more than he could give, and shabia wanted to plunder more than it wanted to cooperate.
            Nevertheless, I admire him for standing against the egyptians on the GERD, and against the countries who tried to control africa by moving the headquarters to tripoli. Today we wouldn’t have known if it is really an african organization or an arab controlled african organization. That was what M.G. of libya wanted to do with the help of his oil money. In addition M.Z. was representing africa at the G20 (i think) on issues that concerned africa, and african leaders admired him for his successful accomplishment of the job.
            The idea of “janus faced border markers”, looking north and south, is really interesting.

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            Meles can only be respected by the money he got from Yara. Now you said he helped Eritrea to get independent, that is false Meles helped because he has no choice, Meles helped because he knew he can not rule Ethiopia with out the muscle of EPLF , Meles helped because he was shocked that 10,000 his own fighters rejected to liberate Addis Abeba and all the Oromo and Amhara land, I can go on and on but it will make no sense at all to go back . You guys think Meles has a softer heart to Eritreans than dergi . I remain to educate you that is not the case from Eritreans side.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,,

            I noted Eritrean people are in celebratory mood regarding Asmara’s registration UNESCO..While you didn’t even to open you mouth regarding Ethiopian norther mountains registration..

          • Selam Kokhob Selam,
            I read about Asmara been chosen as unesco world heritage city few days ago on the guardian, i think, and the news was known to me. May be I should have said words of congratulations. Unfortunately, it did not cross my mind. Sorry. After all, Asmara deserves the title. She is a beautiful city.
            About unesco world heritage sites in Ethiopia, I am not sure, but I think that Lalibela, the stellae in axum, the old City of harar and the semien mountains may be in the list.
            Congratulations again to the city of Asmara ! It is a title well deserved.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear the best- : ( Horizon ),

            Be sure … I am an Ethiopian more than Ethiopians ..that is what they all say around describe me…
            That is what I said yesterday to our KH when he ask about African union..

            Horizon, the northern mountains were not listed except two day back-

            KS,,,

          • Berhe Y

            Dear KS,

            I am not sure I understand you correctly. Buy northern mountains have been listed for a while, was it not?

            Berhe

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Horizon, on a side note: is there anyone here who knows what Meles died of, the circumstances of his death? Why are these details kept secret by those who might be in the know?

          • Selam Abraham H.,

            Omg, why should I be the one to answer this question. I doubt that the people in his circle who know the circumstances of the death of M.Z. would ever say a word, and they would rather choose to take the information with them to their graves.

            My conspiracy theory, which is nothing else but one, is like this: M.Z.’s death had been odd to me. I never believed that he died a natural death. Please, don’t call me crazy, but I believe that the GERD cost him his life. You may ask, how? Hosni Mubarak was not the type of guy you could mess with. A simple order from him, one could find odd things in his drink or food. May be that was the reason M.Z melted so quickly even as he was walking, and his hospital stay was so short.
            Abraham, what is the atomic number of polonium?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            I have never heard of this theory. It feels a little rich to be believed.
            What is known was that after his 1st tour of hospitalization he came back home to only go back in an emergency due to infections.
            I think if there was some suspicions of foul play the whole upper echelon in unison could not have kept it a secret. It would be unreasonable to go to their graves with it. I think, his wife, who is not a shy person would have been crying bloody murder to the world. That did not happen.
            Today is the 1st time I feel bad for Egyptians for being blamed for everything.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,
            You can never accuse a person when you are not in the position to prove it, and it is extremely difficult to prove in such cases. The deaths of Yasir Arafat and that of M.Z. are similar. Infection is usually the cause of death in these situations, due to immune compromise.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Horizon,

            Mubarak was ousted in 2011. Melles died in 2012.

            I have read the death of Melles and Ghana president may be foul play, as both happened very quickly after they attend a conference in the US.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            I really – don’t know how far the story is true..But it might be true specially the with the stand PM of those days ..now I am going to be convinced little more. Those days I am in great contusion,unable to remember the past.. I really I doubt …

            KS,,

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Horizon, I think it is mind boggling nowadays the reason of death of a very important leader like Meles is kept secret. I’ve my own suspicion; I don’t think it is poisoning, but I feel it could be some illness which is considered to be taboo; not AIDS, but I suspect it could be Hepatitis B. In our communities HepB is a very common, yet an overlooked systemic disease, a kind of silent killer if you want. My theory is that Meles like many other people knew about this illness when it was too late; he might have reached to the stage of liver transplantation; then he might have died because of infection and complications due to the organ transplantation, just a theory.
            P.S. you didn’t aswer my second question:)

          • Selam Abraham H.,

            It is not possible to rule out any explanation, as long as no one has come until now to give the information as to the cause of his disease. His stay in hospital was kept secret, and even the name of the hospital was not known for sometime.
            As to the other topic, I have no idea. That was the reason I said nothing. It is in the air for so long, but nobody seems to know anything about it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Horizon,

            The atomic number of polonium “Po” is 84. Then what? Are you going to say that he is poisoned by radioactive element? Do not try to make a wild guess. It is easy to find the cause of his death from his colleagues,

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Aman, you write “It is easy to find the cause of his death from his colleagues,”-I don’t think so, in fact I believe the cause and circumstances of death of the late PMMZ is a very well guarded state secret, which I find it quite baffling as to why they’ve to keep it secret.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            My recollection of the 1991 was the Derg Ethiopian government collapsed and EPLF and TPLF moved into Addis. At the time I believe the big Guns were with the EPLF and they were helping their junior partners find their footing.
            Meles and Co. were tip toing not to get in the way of whatever EPLF were doing, including rounding up the patriotic Eritrean Ethiopians.
            Meles really did not have too many options, even if he wanted to strike out on his own. His blood kinship to Eritrea was never hidden.
            However, he served as a facilitator for what IA and co. wanted. Independence was 1st on their agenda.
            .
            It didn’t take long before he saw the writing on the wall and wanted to create a permanent interdependence of the two countries.
            If Ethiopia had her own port, it has no need for Eritrea proper. Therefore jointly with IA and experts he wanted to close that door legally. Meles was a great help in achieving that goal.
            .
            Earlier I used the characterization of him as being a good son in the middle of a divorce of his father and mother. He was setting up a permanent alimony payment, so to speak. Can you imagine now if the Electric trains of northern Ethiopia were connected to Massawa and Addis/ the south was connected to Assab, what that would have meant.
            .
            Lo behold, for some inexplicable reason and logic IA thwarted the whole deal.
            In 2000 Meles was asked what happened, he simply said IA and co. poisoned the relationship and it will take generations to recover from it. That is what we are living through now, that is my take anyway.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • blink

            Dear Kim
            Meles is not an Eritrean icon , infact he is the enemy of Eritrea and he must stay as the enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans.He was a thief and evil man . The notion he is nice to Eritrea is flat out a lie and a disrespect to all Eritreans. Saleh can praise Meles on the Dam issue but he can not be that much cruel to say like what you said and I hope he will not say that.Meles is not different from Haile and dergi when it comes to Eritrea.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam blink,
            .
            If Haile Selassie, Mengistu and Meles are all thieves and evil people, I disagree and that is the end of the conversation.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kim: I think all African leaders are thieves and corrupt. There is no other way to put it. However; Mengistu, from what i understood, he never got a chance to prove one way or the other. He came to power under intense war and have been fighting its entire existence for survival. So, to be fair, we really don’t know what could have done for the country if there was no war and they don’t have to fight for their survival. But HS and Weyane, they are nothing but grand thieves and corrupt. if onething should Mengistu held responsible is that for killing the 60 highly educated and highly decorated generals, that crime you can’t be dismissive in any way you slice it.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            I can’t believe you are giving the benefit of a doubt to Mengistu, but only harsh words for the rest. I am going to play Hayat for a moment. I know you know she is brilliant, you just can’t admit it in public.
            This is what you just said, so put your left hand on a bible and raise your right hand to repeat it, for all to hear and confirm your true belief.
            .
            “..all African leaders are thieves and corrupt”
            Isayas Afeworki is an African leader.
            Isayas Afeworki is a thief and corrupt.
            .
            If you make that statement, you will feel better. Awatistas would say, hey Mr. K.H succeeded where Hayat failed and gave up trying. Just do it.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • blink

            Dear Kim
            Good to read that because it is you who brought the icon thing ,not me . I knew we can not agree about these 3 leaders because they are meant different thing to both of us, you hail them as heroes , icons …. etc and I despise them as thiefs and killers.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Kim Hanna,
            Apologies for the belated reply.

            You could be right, but consider the following:

            1. Awate.com doesn’t encourage foolish tit-for-tat discourse because they poison the forum. We may agree or not with the moderators’ decision, but they have to weight things and make decisions. I believe we owe them the recognition of that privilege–and they are not a court of law, but one of running a smooth forum as much as possible.

            2. The main task of this website is a continuation of the hijacked Eritrean struggle (which, unfortunately, degrading it has become so prevalent). Though the moderators are not that protective of their struggle (and you can see how some people have made it an open season to bash anything this website holds dear with no consequences) . But I am sure day-in-and-day-out degrading of what this website stands for is unproductive, ungrateful, indecent, and cruel. The Egyptians have a nice sayin “lew Habibek Asel, ma telHasush ketir” (Don’t over-lick your friend even if he is made of honey). The mission is to promote empathy and consideration. If people insist on such violations of decency non-stop, patience, like the honey, runs out.

            3. Personally, I do not get offended by petty statements unless I feel a person making them has nothing else to add but is here to irritate and annoy others, indiscriminately.

            4. I hate it when some people try to make this forum a field for scoring Ethiopian or Eritrean points as if they represent the two countries as a whole. I also see occasional racist remarks, out of line comments and outright rudeness. But it is disappointing when those who should ignore that act loftier do not do so.

            5. This website, I assure you, will be home for anyone (regardless of their diverse identities) as long as they come clean–to educate and learn–and even to entertain.

            6. “Non-compromising” what? What is at stake except an ego that one feels alone–unless one is not using a nick–even at that, there is nothing to be gained by annoying others and missing the opportunity to spread a culture of calm discourse. I wouldn’t say you and many others have been compromising, but you didn’t cross the line of decency. I am sure you agree with me decency doesn’t cost much. And thank you.

            7. On the statues, it is an Ethiopian matter–what the heck, our tyrant has even installed a Russian poet in the middle of our capital city–In short, and honestly, I don’t care. But if I am asked, as a direct victim of Haile Sellassie, you can guess my position. As for the late Meles Zenawi, whatever views one may have about him, The GERD absolves him for any major flaw let alone minor ones, whatever they are. I believe he liberated Ethiopia from the Nile sickness and made it own its water. That deserves ten statues, not one.

            I hope I addressed many issues. Thank you for giving me the chance to do so.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,
            .
            I really appreciate this lengthy response, it was not expected.
            I hope many of the regular participants read your comment and share your hope and aspirations for the forum.
            .
            In regard to the statues, I was inquiring about, I think when it comes to Meles, I am pretty sure that we are not that far apart. The significance of his contributions in such a short time is monumental, so to speak. He transformed the country.
            Upon his passing common Ethiopian folks from Gonder to Jimma and from Addis to Dire Dawa wept as if they lost a family member. I was just trying to line up the context. He was a deserving visionary leader.
            .
            In regard to Haile Selassie, AMDE, a while back, counseled me to be considerate of others who might have a personal experience that was different from mine. I have to acknowledge that.
            .
            Thanks for your response.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            HSGJ,
            His presence adds color and substance. I enjoy his wit and sharp cuts but he some lines he never crosses. He is never into personal attack. He doesn’t insult cultures and identities. He attacks collective positions and views.

          • Nitricc

            Hayat; your life must suck. It is an embarrassment to humanity an old woman like yourself making a fool out of your self. you are number one leir and lifeless loser. do you have anything better things to do other than drooling all over Eritrean forum? what a wasted life.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Nitricc,
            In our culture, a woman is free to express her self and be exactly what she wants to be only when she is old. She is allowed to have her opinions and express them as she wishes without the societal shackles placed on younger women. A wasted life would be a young man making a fool out of himself. Why don’t you stick to the topic without referring to Hayat’s gender or age?

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abrehet; I can understand that you are trying to stand up for your old woman friend but when you say ” in our culture” what and which culture are you talking about? Are you talking about your culture or main? I am sure you are enjoying when the old woman is urinating every where in my country.
            Anyway; which culture are you talking about?

          • Dear Hayat Adem,

            It is said that the brain of supporters of dictators are not only anatomically similar, but sometimes they function in a more sinister way than that of the dictator’s. That is why they are so callous and devoid of empathy and compassion. No normal people could support dictatorship, especially when they are free to choose between good and evil, and when they live in the democratic and affluent west and enjoy it for themselves and their families, while they deny even basic human rights to their own folks back home.
            If those inside the country behave as if they are supporters of the eritrean regime, it is because most citizens, except the few regime officials and enablers, who are beneficiaries of the dictatorial system, are on a survival mode, and they cannot do otherwise, for the sake of their own safety and the survival of their families. The worst are those who from a safety zone, condemn others to suffer and lose their lives in the dungeons and at different corners of the world.
            Regime supporters have willfully undergone brain lobectomy, and they have become blind and deaf to what the dictator is doing to eritreans. On the contrary, they suffer from cognitive bias, and they have acquired a distorted perception of ethiopia and everything that happens in ethiopia, and they see the worst things about ethiopia real and imagined.
            You cannot say they love eritrea because they are killing her daily, and up to now, they have given her nothing but misery, and possible disaster in the future. I do not understand why their only remaining hope is the implosion of Ethiopia, because by then, surely they will have destroyed eritrea completely, and the only winner will be their madness and nobody else. They are the number one enemies of eritrean independence. They nullify it everyday with their own actions, and yet they accuse others to cover their own crimes.

      • Abraham H.

        Hello Nitricc, mr. chief gullible. Ethiopia has nothing to fear about Egypt, just for ur info. On the contrary Egypt has to be careful not to anger Ethiopia, because…you know what i mean.

        • Nitricc

          Abraham; i didn’t expect you to have self respect and stand for what is right. Aren’t you too old to run behind the Tigryans? i feel sorry for you. Your Tigray have no chance to stand your hated Arabs. You are nothing but weyane foot soldier. How is your queen doing? Your lips must be bleeding.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate,

    Is this a coincidence? The following was my comment to the previous awate. com’s article Qatar : Aljezira in the middle.

    I said….
    PF(JD) which sided with Saudi Arabia is now asking Qatar to mediate between Eritrea and Djibouti. Araya Desta , Eritrean rep in AU made that request official. This comes after AU showed intention to mediate between the two countries. The regime seems to be in a situation where it has to choose one of the two hard choices. Qatar which it distanced itself a few days ago or the AU, many years ago. It is a mess of international relations that the regime created itself due its rigid , my way or there is no way, thinking.

    and you said in the above:

    Once again, the Government of Eritrea has to choose between two bad options: accepting an IGAD/AU-mandated peacekeeping group or to formally reverse its support for the Saudi Arabia Coalition and publicly declare, as Somalia and Sudan have done, its neutrality and hope for Qatar reconsideration.

    There was no reference.In presenting news and info, newness is basic criterion, but if it is not , the ethics and profession of journalism say quote

    Well…the other side is that I found my analysis to be correct ,which now I think make to join the Gedab news writers. Good for my resume!

    Thanks Awate

    • Mez

      Dear Birhan, you are good at it. Thanks

    • blink

      Dear Brhan
      Your analysis was almost perfect yet you know PFDJ are erroneously horrible on information. First their MOI post in his tweeter account a very lousy information and then their 1988 website shabait another thing, then again the guy in the UN . They are just horrible . I think Isaias spoke to them at different occasions like 1st while breakfast time but in a noisy place , 2nd while talking to his Arab friends,3rd while he was angry on his performance of a bar . The guy rules through his daily wishlist.
      It is just crazy to imagine Eritrea is under this horrible man.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam blink,
        You give them too much credit. As if he would speak to them. More likely they are all biting their nails as to who would bring this for discussion and whether to go to Adi Halo in person or leave a note at his office. Meanwhile, the situation gets taken over by events and every time one of the officials is squeezed in to a corner they have to utter something.

        • blink

          Dear Abrhet yossief
          What can I say , he see them like his kids but we hold them accountable because it is impossible to imagine all of them to have the same isaias syndrome .

      • saay7

        Selam Blink:

        That’s funny. But you are assuming they speak to him when, in reality, they respond to him. A friend who read Gedab News mention that the Qatar letter was not addressed to anyone in particular but “the Government of Eritrea” joked that perhaps the apparatchiks don’t have IAs forwarding address in Adi Halo. The more I think of it, the less like a joke it sounds.

        So basically I think each of the flunkies has their talking point Yemane Gebremeskel looks for technicalities and escape clauses to change the subject: hey, did you know IGAD cannot make a decision on a country unless that country is represented at a senior level, asked Yemane Gebremeskel. Is that true? Who knows even if it’s true, is that the major issue?

        Yemane Gebreabs talking points are to use words like unjust, wrong, not warranted, and time will tell.

        Araya Destas talking points are to use all variations of RODNEY King: can we all get along? We don’t want to fight, we want peace.

        Whenever something comes up that falls outside these safe zones, it’s the job of IA to state Eritreas position. And Eritreas position is, like jeopardy contestants, to phrase everything as a question:

        Example: will eritrea accept AU fact finding team. (A question that cannot be answered by the Three Musketeers above. Here comes IA.)

        This is a boring question. What is a fact finding team? What facts is it trying to ascertain? Whose facts? When? How? Many questions can be asked. Very many questions. Are they sending a fact finding team to North Korea? To Yemen? Did they send a fact finding team to Guantanamo……

        saay

        • blink

          Dear saay
          Always , I mean always it must be funny. What do we have if we abandon jokes about PFDJ , I always look if in case they have a good response to any regional and internal political development and yet I am getting old with out seeing one. They have no protocol nor do they care to inform the public about any thing that matters to the public. With Issaias it is always “now is not the time” .
          If you Do not screw me , I will tell you one actual story. In September 2003 a group of engineers were called to take on a 1.2 million dollar project and the projects initial technical draft was completed, after 21 days the group were asked to submit the technical details to SEGEN construction company and the engineers advised against giving the project because segen lacks the know how, after few days Issaias come to the office and read all the technical information, he took away his hat , told them the material is not good. Every body chocked and after 3 days all the engineers were no were to be found. I expect the same action from his cronies. What could they possibly lose ? Villa or car ,

          Bademe and villa in Asmara come on , you are being harsh . Asmara is in the UNSCO heritage book. Booom let’s hope they do not screw it .

          • saay7

            Hey Blink:

            The whole point of a site being a heritage site or city (except in Palestine/Israel where it is always one more reason to hate each other) is to add the place on the list of Must-See places for tourists. So, when you, referencing PFDJ, say “hope they do not screw it”, you should know, of course they will. Only the adventurous tourist adds a police state on his/her bucket list.

            saay

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