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The Rebirth of a Nation

Hats off! Hajji Mussa, no worries no trepidation
Four months have elapsed since your revolution
Or was it a hundred and twenty days of incarceration
Whichever is right but I do beg some clarification

***

You resisted injustice well since your very inception
Ever since your indomitable soul knew no rest no capitulation
Jails, dungeons broken limbs disfigured beyond recognition
Yes your body was broken but your spirit preached liberation
In defiance of all forms of torture and extortion

***

You are familiar with their dungeons and oppression
You are not afraid of imprisonment and isolation
You’ve suffered from every gladiator with no distinction
The News Media speak nowadays in their transmission
Referring to water-boarding as if it is a new invention
But I know how many times you’ve drowned with no mention
By who (you know the culprits) in barrels of water frozen
In the darkest cells above and underground detention

***

You’ve been through that all with no apprehension
So I’ll count them not but I’ll celebrate the inspiration
The euphoria you created the energy and illumination
You sparked on dead bodies rendered to petrifaction
And miraculously amazed I still remain
As if you found the staff of Moses or was it his cane
You quickened the lifeless bodies to animation
Restored their health regained their coordination
Four months of hope of courage and relentless determination
To continue the journey and bring the task to completion
That is what I’ll count if you give me the permission
***
Not even in my dreams, I say with full assertion
Far farther beyond my wildest imagination
Never did I think that the rebirth of our nation
Shall come to pass merely through wise persuasion
Flowing from him of the glorious generation
The pioneers of our struggle for emancipation
Epitomized in the venerable image of the revolution
In the person who defied tyranny with no ammunition
Simply armed with truth and unswerving determination
Cloaked with dignity despite frailty and age complication
A hundred years old man from that glorious generation
I guess that is his age according to the lunar calculation
Hajj Mussa the man who stood firm and called the nation
Rise up! Bow not to tyranny and exploitation!!!

***

“Rise up!!!”
Called the man, “Bow not to tyranny and exploitation”

His call reached all over the four corners’ expansion
The masses responded with thunderous confirmation
Throughout the entire globe with firm acclamation
In demonstration following another with perfection
Spontaneously instinctively without manipulation
No gimmick, no rehearsal, no tricks, no preparation
No disguise-costumes no role plays no drama ‘no coercion

***

The masses rose up with no prior mobilization
Everyone in his and her own volition
Reflecting the true colours of the population
The marvellous mosaic of our beautiful nation
Representing males and females of every persuasion
The Crescent and The Cross standing tall in procession
The young and old hand in hand in the solid formation
Chanting simultaneously the same tune in unison
Raising banners of peace, harmony and cohesion
Saluting the firmness you instilled in the population
Them who faced with their bare chests the aggression
And the fatal bullets which came from all direction
Indeed, you have sparked another revolution!!!
Hats off! Hajji Mussa, no worries no trepidation

***

With such clarity and immaculate articulation
Your amazing strength, resolve and determination
Simply captivated the heart of the whole nation
Infused it with hope, courage and resolution
Your honest words cleared the fog, restored the vision
Your wisdom united the people and wiped out all division
You heralded joyously our rebirth our resurrection
Casting aside the horrible years of destruction
At the hands of maniacs with no affiliation
Neither to humanity nor to civilization
Doubtful is even their affinity to the nation
That destiny let it suffer under their domination
For so long subjected to despicable humiliation
Rescue us Lord from this plague, Lord save our nation

***

Hats off! Hajji Mussa, no worries no trepidation
You’ve set the pace you have defined the direction
Your own people shall accomplish the mission
Your own people will soon reach the destination
No worries, all is set the revolution is in full motion
The seeds you planted will in no time grow to fruition
The souls you stirred will never succumb to delusion
Now that you have cleared the path and restored our vision

___________________

A humble tribute to all our heroes behind the bars.
Abdulkader. O. Ali, 25 February 2018

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  • Selam All,

    One of the greatest men in human history, Stephen Hawking, is gone, leaving behind a great scientific work that augmented human knowledge about the cosmos. He was an example of great courage and persistence.

    • Paulos

      Selam Horizon,

      I have rudimentary understanding about Cosmology or Theoretical Physics and I am not in a position to pass a judgement on him about the level of knowledge he possessed in that area but what I admired about him is that, he didn’t let a disease limit his desire and aspirations in life and that is a character.

      • Selam Paulos,

        I too have no idea about cosmology, black holes and the other things he studied. His greatness as a scientist and as a human being is acknowledge by all, scientists and others alike. Despite the debilitating motor neuron disease, which fortunately does not affect brain function, his genius mind opened the door to human knowledge of the universe. His latest announcement, if i am not mistaken was that he thought he knew what existed before the big bang.

        • Paulos

          Selam Horizon,

          Not sure if you have heard about the famous debate between Stephen Hawking and Leonard Susskind that had lasted for 28 years where Hawking finally conceded. The gist of the debate is rather complex and difficult for me to illustrate but it certainly is fascinating. I recommend you read about it if you haven’t already.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Yes Dear Horizon,

      “A star just went out in the cosmos,” Lawrence Krauss, a theoretical physicist and cosmologist, wrote on Twitter. “We have lost an amazing human being.”

      “”I try to lead as normal a life as possible, and not think about my condition, or regret the things it prevents me from doing, which are not that many,” he wrote on his website.

      KS,,

  • Amde

    Hello Awatistas,

    And now for something completely different..

    Apparently Sierra Leone just conducted the first ever election using blockchain. I don’t know if the link will survive, but if not you can Google using the title “Sierra Leone Elections Powered by Blockchain”

    https://qz.com/1227050/sierra-leone-elections-powered-by-blockchain/

    Funnily enough, whenever I mention use of computers and the internet for voting purposes, the ines who protest the most vehemently are my friends in the IT field.

    Their fear, as always, was the ease of fraud, and abuse or to use the a-propos metaphor, FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) about the secrecy of the ballot and the integrity of the count.

    It seems the technology that spawned Bitcoin and thousands of also-ran cryptocurrencies may be here with a solution. From what i can tell,
    1. voters use biometric information to verify they are eligible,
    2. Who they vote for is encrypted using what is called a private key (probably composed of their biometric data)
    3. What they voted is aggregated onto “public ledgers” that are duplicated on the internet.

    Setting aside the big-brother-ish issues of biometric identification, this is quite exciting, as it can really significantly ease the logistics of voting, and increase trust in outcome.

    Voting schemes have really improved over the years, from the awful tyranny of First-Past-The-Post, but they can become complicated for someone to work through when there is a long queue behind you.

    Voting through blockchain theoretically allows one to take the time to vote from anywhere. Imagine voting using a smart phone that can read your biometrics. Your biometric data is on the blockchain, so nobody can delete it. With that as your private key (kind of like password), you can take your time to vote for one or more candidates, rank or split them to your preference. If let’s say the voting period is a week, you can go back and change it as much as you want until the deadline. Just like you cannot duplicate a Bitcoin, you cannot cheat a CryptoVote. The vote results are instantly distributed over thousands of computers (servers, laptops, smartphones what have you) so for someone to fake the vote count they would have to go to extraordinary lengths to control over 50% of these computers – a virtually impossible task.

    This will of course never quite address the primary issue of what ails our neck of the woods – namely rulers unwilling to give people the right to freely vote. But, a trustworthy (actually they use the term “trustless”) voting system can I think make voting cheap and easy, allowing opportunities for voting to be done on more detailed question in more specialized constituencies. It might look messy, but it will put us on a path of an aggregate of consensus.

    Amde

    • Nitricc

      this link https://qz.com/1227050/sier

      should be deleted , according the awate law. right?

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      I think the question one needs to ask is does Sierra Leone need elections or better yet is the nation ready for multi-party system. My understanding is that, the country has had two contending parties since independence in 1961 and one can’t help it but ask: What have the parties done for the country? Nothing!

      Sierra Leone is a poor country which has been plagued by the Ebola epidemic and other natural disasters as well. The epidemic not only costed thousands of lives but it stagnated direct foreign investment as well.

      There seems to be a general consensus among experts that, authoritarian government as in strong state is imperative till a nation is able to stand on its own. One is reminded by the political evolution of the Tiger Nations where multiparty system had to be stalled till they get where they are today.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam p
        What about eritrea need freedom and election?

        • Paulos

          Selam Tedros,

          I was expecting the question to come from you or Nitrikay. The simple and short answer is that, Eritrea is not ready for a multi-party system and that was precisely the reason I threw my full support behind Isaias Afwerki of course till 2001 when he showed us his sinister colors.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam p
            U mean u change ur mind after isaias decided to destroy ur beloved tplf?
            In your above two comment u clearly shows that u r not for freedom of the eritrean people. U r simply helping tplf on its war with eritrea.

          • Paulos

            Don’t be an idiot. It ain’t cool.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam p
            This shows how cheap and miserable idiot u sound like.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            The guy is suffering from endless pain about Eritrea standing as a country, he has a lying factory deep inside his soul. Look at his lies . He lies like water flowing down streams. He is a vocabulary hole nothing more. He bragged about his Addis disco night time with under age girls.

      • Amde

        Selam Dr. Paulos,

        Well, what is a nation and what is a state?.. You are saying a strong state is needed before a nation… hmmm… in any case, i dont think I want to get into that now.

        Actually, i’d prefer to use the term “voting” instead of “elections” wrt my post. The second half of my note was alluding to the possibilities that a cheap, unhackable, logistically much easier voting system can bring to a society. Voting doesnt have to be for elections only. It is just that it is logistically complicated that we have all bought into electing representatives to do the job for us. Including of course the proper investigation and study of an issue. Stalin was famous for saying “I don’t care about who does the voting. I care about who does the counting.” This cryptovoting technology makes voter suppression very difficult, vote miscounts impossible and vote st

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          My apologies I didn’t mean to bog you down into Poli-Sci 101 as in the difference between a state and a nation. It was just a context on my part. I see your point though.

          On a seperate news, my hero just died. Steven Hawking, the man who defied the verdict of medicine who should have been dead 50 years ago when he was diagnosed with ALS but lived to be one the greatest minds in science particularly Cosmology. My fav books are “God Created The Integers” and of course “The Brief History Of Time.” RIP.

          • Amde

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Yes.. I was just reading about Stephen Hawking. You know it is indeed sad, but he was an extremely fortunate person to be born into a civilization that could offer him this much opportunity to shine and we were even more lucky.

            I will have to re-read A Brief History of Time.. it was over 20 years…

            Amde

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selam Amde,

      After our 2005 election fiasco, I have been halfheartedly following voting technology news here and there. Why the world has not been able to come up with a better and reliable system thus far is beyond me.

      After reading your link, I also read the following similar news.

      “Moscow is using the technology as part of its Active Citizen voting system where residents can vote on city issues (but not political candidates). Brazil is also using the technology to allow citizens to easily sign and verify popular petitions.”

      That news concluded with the following hope for the future.

      “It’s likely to be adopted for election work in additional countries as Agora [blackchain] is in talks with countries in Europe and Africa.”

      The only drawback with blackchain voting thus far seems lack of voter privacy (it is possible to learn who voted for whom or for what).

      However, compared to the rest of voting technologies that are out there, blackchain is way ahead of all of them. African countries should follow Sierra Leon’s lead and consider it seriously.

      Even with their limited availability of technology, they can start using it along with other methods until when majority of people have access to technology and the software advances enough to be reliable voting system. My vote for blackchain is “YES!”

      • Amde

        Hi Fanti,

        I completely agree with you. You know the saying “Where there’s a will, there’s a way” God knows there are many mathematically validated voting schemes to help maximize consensus, or optimize representation and what not. I just don’t think our rulers are ready.

        Meanwhile though.. its great to see the way the technology is being used for people to make decisions. My thought actually was that if people used these systems to make more of their decision instead of relying on politicians, over time the role (usually verging on the toxic) of the typical politician will be reduced. That can only be healthy.

        BTW some Bitcoin and blockchain advocates are pursuing running a blockchain via SMS for people that may not have easy access to the internet. I am assuming the challenges are similar so adoption in a few years should be relatively easy.

    • saay7

      Amde:

      I recently read a great article ( info on how to google it will be provided as postscript) which was mostly over my head and all I remember are two things:

      1. Because Africa doesn’t have existing infrastructure, adopting blockchain will be easier in the continent
      2. In blockchain technology, bitcoin is considered the equivalent of the abacus: very primitive. It’s the equivalent of 1996 (in Internet 3.0) and….

      I didn’t read the rest. I wrote a brilliant-but-flaky tech friend to say “hey nerd: check out this article. I expect you to be a millionaire and bring me along for the ride.”

      He replies “is that why I saw a Maserati with blockchain plates, hee hee…I will look into it.” And guess what? He won’t.

      In the first wave, the internet produced many billionaires, not one was an African 🙁 I would love this one to be the exception. So, you smarty pants reading this, get with the program and it wouldn’t hurt if you brought as many as your friends in for the ride.

      saay

      Google: “why Africa’s emerging blockchain movement is growing so rapidly.” Once in there look for “18 blockchain predictions for 2018.”

  • Nitricc

    Greetings All; I think there is a big joke played on the Ethiopian crises. I don’t think there is something called Qerro. I think the Lemmas and Aby’s are playing the game under the nose of the weyane. I come to think some of the people in in power who are Oromo are calling the shoots by a connection from outside of Ethiopia. How do you make the following statement while the country is in a very desperate situation? The command post said the killing was accidental so, to defuse the tension and yet, the Oromo government comes out declaring
    ” በሞያሌ የተፈጸመውን ጭፍጭፋ በስህተት ነው በሚል በኮማንድ ፖስቱ የተሰጠውን መግለጫ ፈጽሞ ተቀባይነት የለውም ሲል የኦሮሚያ ክልል መንግስት አስታወቀ።”
    This is really bad news and it is clear indication that there is no Qerro.

  • blink

    Dear all
    Who owns the failure for not bringing change to Eritrea.
    1. Are these old opposition figures like Amanuel Hidrat who called for military action while they trash Eritrean fighters,
    2. Are these old opposition figures who are ex-PFDJ
    3. Are these elite writers like saay who sleep and wakes up dreaming about a vibrant Eritrea
    4. Are these who colluded with weyane who are trying to divide Eritreans across religion, region and Ethnic lines
    5. Are we these young who abandoned PFDJ but refused to shoot our brothers
    6. Are these who still think PFDJ can be reformed after Issaias

    The list goes on and on but none of these lists are short of heroes because we Eritreans have them by thousands. Who are these societies who have more heroes than Eritreans?

    From 1940th up to 1991 Eritrea has heroes and we even can not count them , we should have admired the sacrifice of awate and thousands after him yet here we have people no.1 who are sleep less in bashing Eritrean fighters.
    People like YG are not fit to describe Eritreans because their basic ground is from their small personal experience with full intelligence dishonesty. All these who are on division research departments of Eritrean generation searching their own fit are lairs . Call them all like gogo , YG , kibrom all these who are searching for the youth to fit their mind , they will not find them because these people have no clear understanding how the young generation think. The youth are not for sale guys .Eritrean youth know what they want and they have exhausted people like YG and all paltalk people like the Tigrian Amiche.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Blink; if you see honestly how things they went down from independent and imparial point of view, then the answer is very easy, the so-called opposition are responsible. The oppositions they could have mobilized the silent majority by dispensing the truth about PFDJ, the good, the bad and the ugly but they choose to hammer it home only with the ugly and the silent majority went the other way feeling offended and insulted. The oppositions could have mobilized the silent majority by protecting the image of the nation and the best interest of the country, instead the opposition sided with enemy giving the impression that PFDJ is the only care taker of the best interest of the nation and the silent majority went the other way disgusted and dejected. The opposition could have mobilized the silent majority by honoring the 20K lives that was paid in the name the nation and demanding for the implementation of the court verdict, instead they betryaed their martyred follow citzens and they sided with aggressor and the silent majority went the other way in shame and frustrated. The oppositions could have presented clear and concise national program and vision, instead The only vision and program they can mastered is the Dictator this and the dictator that too personal and revengeful rhetoric, the silent majority went the other way to never trust the word they uttered. To be an opposition, it does not mean you oppose the truth, the interest of the nation and preach personal grugde and the silent majority sees and understands that and elected to avoid the so-called oppositions. Now you know why and how the so-called oppositions killed any chance for a change in Eritrea. When PIA said in 25th independce day see you in 50th independence day; he wasn’t joking. He knows them well but they don’t know him. After all this up and down, the so-called oppositions who failed to demand anything about Badime, now the very Tigryans are openly saying to PIA PLEASE take BADIME and the silent majority felt vindicated by sticking with PIA and the oppositions? Ask Semere Andom.

      • blink

        Dear Nitricc
        I for myself never took people like YG and all these sick people In paltalk as opposition, I heard some of awate big guys spend a big amount of their time talking about things they can never repeat, I also find people like saay educating Eritreans about Fedral and other systems of government, can imagine these people invited by horrible people in and not challenge the Narrative that Eritrean fighters as such as enemy of the people? Imagine the time some people spent on such media ,i I really don’t believe these people wish any good for Eritrea. Listen if you buy the paltalk propaganda done for yours by people like the Tigrian Amicha , what kind of youth are you asking? Amanuel Hidrat Facebook is full of Foro lies and here he is talking about youth he never met . It is amusing to watch such people to be the experts about Eritrea.

        • Thomas

          Hi Blink,

          Whether you like it or not, they are all Eritrean and they are entitled to their own views. You live in the west and you never learn to even act as civilized. Shame on you! When are you going to get out of the dark?

          • blink

            Dear Thomas’
            Amiche the banner boy of smerr paltalk is not Eritrean , he is a tigrian with enormous hate to Eritrean revolution , he has been abusing Eritrean history for years but back to your anger , what is that you come to defend the lair ? i mean what is this all going nuts ? Amiche and his twin foro are just a paid Aboy sibhat wings and that is all. The only person who praised them is the Meles boy Amanuel hidrat who works for them in distributing their work. The man spend tremendous amount of time in distributing the false accusation over Eritrean fighters. And if you wanted to defend the Tigrian go ahead, do your logic of insulting .

          • Thomas

            Hi Blink,

            How do you the amiche or whatever is not an Eritrean, do you have his birth certificate or where there when he was born? How in the world do you know? Why would the guy/amiche visit and talk in tigrigna in the Eritrean audio chat then? I mean it is really easy to tell if someone is voice chatting rather than in writing.

      • Thomas

        Hi Nitricc,

        You are just so naive for you would not know what the real Eritreans inside and outside of the country feel. You just keeping make fool of yourself, the oromo boy. “tewsakitka antai aflituka”

        • Nitricc

          Thomas: ተውሳካ ንስካ’ኳ ዳውንዳውን እንዳብለካ ክዓርበካ እዩ።

      • iSem

        Nitricc:
        The opposition asked about Badem way before the border war and IA told them, it is not their business. IA called it meaningless dusty land during the war and since his supporters are malleable and programmable robots, when he changes his tune they do not remember. My bad, I just insulted robots, because now robots can remember and can learn.
        They do not each this course in the ypfdj meeting but Badem was not taken by Woyane during the 1998 war, it was given to them by IA in 1981 and when Dergi left Eri in defeat IA never asked about Badme. I know your ypfdj gathering is like the alcoholic anonymous sharing and talking about the demons that keep u up all night
        Only the retarded opposition would ask about Badem, the good opposition should ask how are Eritreans being kidnapped and trafficked, why is that in a free Eritrea 800 Eritreans gave their testimony that they were tortured and raped and why is that some of the payments are made in Asmara when Eri is kidnapped and their parents pony up the money to save his/her life.
        Little minds fret about little things and you are occupied by what your master IA called dusty piece of land
        I know Semere Tesfay loved ur comment, he gave Badme away, u should ask him as well

        • Nitricc

          Dear Moda, i am going to make you a deal. I am guilty of breaking the law of the forum by posting link on weekdays. I get that but i have to post this one for my good friend Semere Andom and in exchange, i will not post any link for the rest of the month. this includes weekends. I just have to educate this lost animal named Semere Andom. A country is a country and there is no substitute. I don’t know who this guy is but i let him this to educate Ato semere.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk80ZW31t8w

          • Nitricc

            Thank you! point taken. but i will stay guard

  • Thomas

    Hi Awatista,

    I love this desbelle guy. He uses the truth to knock the pfdj group down. In a real box fighting, whenever I see a knockdown I remember desbelle. “nai bhaki des zebil seb”

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Kbrom & Dr Paulos*,

    Will it be objective to give us only rosy generational divide? Don’t we had or have gloomy eras that explain to any generational divide? If you have concerns on our failing to create our heroes/heroine, do you have any ideas or reasons as to why we have failed to create them? Does it has do something with our characters? If that is the case, does it has any impact(negative or positive) to our current realities? May be your answers to my inquiry will pull me to engage on your generational classifications?

    ** Dr Paulos: you are included in my addressing, because you admired his classification.

    Regards

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      I admired his over-active imagination when he came up with the Eritrean version punctuated generational divide. If I understood your inquiry rather correctly, I am of the opinion that Eritrea has produced heroes and heroins where the brave men and women who gave up their precious lives for the realization of Eritrean independence come to mind. If we are going to push the time scale a bit back, Zerai Deress, Bahta Segeneity, Abraha Deboch and of course Idris Awate among others come to mind as well.

    • Kbrom

      Dear Prof Emma and Dr Paulo

      As always it is educative and valuable to discuss with you. Here are my points though not exhaustive.

      Individuals vs Generation

      Firs let me make it clear that the generational divide that I am intending is meant to labelling the collective history and identity and not for individual people, unless it represents the generation or collective history. In that sense yes, I believe we need ONLY a positive, if not rosy, labels for the sake of our unity and continuity as a people and state.

      On our failing to create our heroes

      On our failing to create our heroes, let me give you an example: Awate. He launched the historic armed struggle, however, we did not celebrate him as a national hero, in fact some people would label him names. If you ask me to be objective and dive deep into the un sanitised history, as Paulo would like to put it, for some nationalities and ethnic group Awate was someone who was involved in cattle looting and other clan and tribe feuds and that was how he started the struggle. For others who claim to be first hand information would say the people who started the armed struggle are soem names, Awate was picked just because he had an exprience of gun during his time as Shifta, For me, regardless of the truth, I believe we should create and promote our own heroes. As I said In the beginning, I am taking Awate not as individual person but as an icon of a generation. That is what the Americans did when they dubbed George Washington as the father of the state – did they tell us that he was the owner of 26 slaves including two men and a child or call him the man who made 40% of the people living in Fairfax County [his slaves] who treated with more severity than any other man.?No!

      My ideas or reasons as to why we have failed?

      Two reasons,

      1) as per all dictator’s distinct psychological traits, the Eritrean dictator’s first enemy is any one person who could be considered by the people a hero other than him; that trend is compatible to its Narcissistic characteristics which is framed around greatly exaggerated sense of his own. Would any one imagine to have Pushkin’s statue whilst you do not have a statues of the martyrs Awate, Aboy weldeab Ibrahim Sultan or Bahta hagos any where in Eritrea.

      2) As people we are not into appreciation. I know I am walking into mine fields as I am generalizing, but I truly believe we, as people tend to character assassinate instead of promoting and appreciating. Ethiopians especially Amharas do – that is how created all their heroes in spite of the fact that if you peel the ‘heroes’ layers you will find them to be he worst people in several terms. Not only leaders, they create hero singers, artists, writers, journalists, academics, etc.

      Does our failure to create our heroes has any impact (negative or positive)?

      Yes, a huge adverse impact. Immanuel Kant said that “from the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made.”

      The absence of having a unifying hero and the new trend of denial of their moral contribution inhibits the growth of our sense of possibility. (ገድሊ ሽፍታ ገለመለ)። I believe such a tendency of nihilism is one of the reason that the new generation is short of leading the change that it should lead. The old generation who has fulfilled its part of history is dying whilst the new generation who should fulfil the unfulfilled part of the past generation is not born yet.

      Generations classification:

      I strongly believe it is for the benefit of the national unity that we should maintain the positive labelling when it comes to generation. divide. Dr Paul replied to my previous post stating that he prefers sanitised history, which I think there is where we are having some misunderstanding. That is to say, for the history we should keep it un-sanitised – though who decides which one is sanitised and not is a bone of contention by itself.

      However, we can not say generation aboy weldeab tgray tgrigna zbelulu, generation aboy inbrahim sultan goytotn tewefaron zbelulu, wey rabitha islamiya zeawejulu, generation jebha nkrstyan zqeteletlu ewan, generetion falul, generation mqtal menkae, generation wge hadhd, generation kebesa ms andnet metaht ms sudan zbelulu ewan – it is sooooooooo dangerous which can lead to a sooooooo gruesome consequences.

      Would love to hear your critical feedback.

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Kbrom, Dr. Paulos and Aman H.

        I followed the exchanges on why the Eritreans failed to create heroes and heroines. It is a good discussion. But, here is a question that may lead wider reflection than our own social and cultural milieu. Is it possible multi-national (ethnic) fragile nation-state in unfinished process of formation produce unifying national heroes or heroines? I am aware that many who emerged to prominence had some background of coercive methods such as military coups, nepotistic party cronyism and ruthless methodical conspiracy to eliminate opponents as in the case of the despot in our country.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Kbrom, Ismailo, Dr Paulos,

          The issue Haw Kbrom has brought is very important and will help us to identify our common character as people of one nation of diversified society. We Eritreans, of multiethnic society didn’t build yet a common character the define us in order to answer the Question Kbrom has raised. The only link for our multiethnic society is just the land called “Eritrea” a single “identity character” that United us to fight together. In the process of fighting for our sovereignty, we didn’t create a common character of unified people that define our common values. Hence we can not create our common heroes/heroines despite we have many exemplaries who had established the “act of heroism” in the history making of our nation.

          In any case, besides the aforementioned failures in building a common character of a society, I could mention few characteristics, we fail to display (a) we are not “appreciative” people on individual bases to fellow Eritreans success story or unique contribution (b) we are “negative seekers” to undermine your fellow Eritreans (c) Our “arrogance” eats all our positive values to the extent it threatened the single bond (being an Eritrean) that holds us together. These characters enhanced to our failures in building a positive common character that define us.

          Therefore, every unit of our societies has its own heroes/heroines based on the history of our divided struggle. In the struggle of division and domination, the heroes and heroines of one organization are the villains of the other. It was/is this culture that hinders to create our common national heroes. In short what I am saying is, there are many things that ought to be changed before we create our common heroes/heroines and evaluate the generational merits and demerits for purposes of classifications.

          Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman H.,

            “… every unit of our societies has its own heroes/heroines based on the history of our divided struggle. In the struggle of division and domination, the heroes and heroines of one organization are the villains of the other.”

            You have summed up the social and cultural dilemma that has been elusively hindering us to formulate unifying political vision and crafting organizational schemes that could pull us out of mediocre segmented mindsets and tackle national challenges.

  • iSem

    Uncle Hope
    Yes he is entitled to his own opinion and he is also entiled to his lies but he is not entitled to facts.

    • Nitricc

      Semere which lies are you talking about? Are you saying YourTPLF is good for tigryans? What is you and the TPLF? Even the tigryans are telling you.
      .

      • Thomas

        Hi Nitric,

        I know & I do not expect any truth coming from an Oromo boy. Listen, I have been reading your lies about the tigrian are taking the resources of Ethiopia & exploiting all of & moving to their Tigray. Are you flip flopping your stand now? What happpened to the minority group meaning the tigrians taking all you have telling us all this time??

  • blink

    Dear all
    Would it be possible someone from the TPLF to translate this to some of the Oromo and Amhara activists that the reality of the Tigrai people and how they talk about TPLF leaders.

    Here is the 10% of the UN cooked book.
    https://youtu.be/PLorwLFbTrc

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam blink
      Am not activist. Am just curious to know what makes tplf weird and twisted that is all. Can u translate by summarizing? Thank u in advance.

      • blink

        Dear Teodrose
        Well , the woman is frustrated by the sheer lies of a weyane propaganda machine that say “ Tigray is booming and the Tigray people are having it like never before “ she rejected it 100%by saying we know this report is false and our people’s suffering was not for this. She is advising the youth to not vote for ADWA guys.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; i just want to close the case i have been advocating for long on this forum. I have been in a sirous clash when it comes to TPLF. Many forumers, have argues that TPLF has done a good thing for the people of Tigray and i have stood against that wrong assumption. Few people to mention, Hayat, Amanieal H, P and the genius from Dedebit Semere Andom. I have nothing against TPLF, but the way the sold their people, the way the fake and fool everyone is saddening. So, to close my long allegiance with people of Tigray, i let you listen from the very people i stood with. Now the people of Tigray awakened, I rest my case. “No one is free when the others are oppressed” i will move on with other oppressed people, The Oromo.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9-XSQmwyS0

    • iSem

      Nitricc
      I am in a good mood today, u are lucky and I have an advice for you: quite this form for one year because it is making u think that you are smart by hanging out with very smart and accomplished, learned people here. Go back to your roots for a year, it starts with G and F and you will be humbled how lucky you because this form is not helping you,nit is instill false pride, inflating your head
      Now, the people who are critical to TPLF in this video will go home to Shire and Mekele and they will not be disappeared. They are debating the corruption of TPLF which no one denies including genious boy of Dedebit and Tigryans would not do that before 1991. This is rocket science to you
      And also this bunch are better than your alcoholic anonymous YPFDJ meeting that has corrupted u and rendered you functionally illiterate imbecile.with single cell.
      My bar for your pfdj and ypfdj is so low that, if in your meetings debate like this Tigryans and go home and come back in one piece, I will join pfdj the next day. So before you pontificate and congratulate yourself know what you are talking about instead of making the opposite point against your argument

      • Nitricc

        Semere; at least be fresh, you don’t have to copy from a loser Ethiopian. hahahahha. of course you are lucky to learn and correct your wrong assumptions about the suffering people of Tigray. I was there with them all the way step by step while you were glorifying the corrupted and useless weyane. I know your love for TPLF stems from helping cross the border to Sudan. They make you wear a women’s dress and helped you get to Sudan. I get it but have some self respect. You respect TPLF so much so, you have nothing left for your self. let me give you one fundamental advice, that is, at the end of the day, the truth never gets lost and the people will win. Eritrea is fine, you don’t need to worry about her. Sure, Eritrea has one major short coming, the absence of the rule of law. at the end ” peace is not the absence of conflict rather the present of justice”, On that regard, i agree withwithyouyou , anything else, you have no idea how this world works. Just be happy collecting your welfare in Canada, we got this, trust me.

        • iSem

          Nitricc:
          only some one who mentally controlled by PFDJ can say Eritrea is fine. You are beholden to PFDJ because the stuff they do to you behind the closed doors

          • Nitricc

            Semere; Trust me! Eritrea is fine. Because you can’t visit and show off your donated smart phone, it doesn’t mean the country is in dire situation. I agree, there is a problem we need to work it out but it is not like, the country is in verge of a civil war or anything like that. Eritrean paid so much to settle for less. NO! the future is in Africa and Eritrea will lead the way. Take that to the bank. the price is to high to fail.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Nitricc
      I have been saying the same thing for so long, i think all this so called “drs” aman h and the likes screw up by hd vidoes nonsense.
      Anyway can u summarize what r they saying ? A little translation help.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Teddy, i am not sure capable of translating but in a nutshell, they are saying how they are tricked by weyane. Once they got in to Ethiopia, they have forgotten about the people of Tigray. once TPLF got in to power, the race was enriching themselves and their immediate family. I will try to give you the essence of the points they made. Their Tigrigna is a little hard for me but i can call to the service of Semere Andom. once i seen Semere Andom reporting from Dedebit. please say hi to the honorable Semere Andom.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCUtdzRbgA

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam
          Nitricc
          I see how it is hard and fast, sorry for asking. Honesty it is so funny and nothing wronge to laugh about it under a normal circumstances.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy, hahaha; i have no idea what Semere is trying to say there lol. the guy has teeth like a horse. I thought it was funny. Semere, it is a joke, take it easy. lol Semere, can you be a good soldier and translate what the tigryan were saying? common man, you can do it.

  • said

    Greetings,
    Musing: Brain & Wealth are In Trust

    Philosophers, generally the ultimate thinkers in a society, as best exemplified with Plato in the 5th Century B.C. and the Persian Philosopher Al-Farabi in the 11th century, always dreamt of the deliverance of mankind, much as in the Nirvana, the ultimate enlightenment, in humanities attainment of the Utopian coexistence in a just and a peaceful society devoid of the inherent ills of insecurity and destructive malice born by the avarice and the mortals strive to attain false immortality material comfort, incontestable material security and false comfort of passage of endowments to ones biological lineage tantamount in the faible minds of mortals as eternity.

    Plato entailed his philosophical theses and conclusions – in mostly detached altruistic construct – in his book known as The Republic. Al-Farabi, more than 15 centuries later, much following on the tracks of Plato, articulated his philosophical vision in a writing in Arabic termed, Al-Madina Al-Fadelah, the Ultimate Virtuous Kingdom.

    Philosophers are the ultimate objective thinkers reaching conclusions through detached rational reasoning in a relentless quest to attain peace and happiness to mortals found involuntarily in the ephemeral passage termed Earthly existence. The General Collective Good and Welfare of Communities and the amalgam of the human race represented the final and ultimate goal.

    Mortals Paucity of Life on Earth, a very short passage, and the element of luck, either by birth or the serendipity of chance, tended to give credence to mostly philanthropic and socialistic renderings of Philosophical conclusions on the subjects of human material possessions, wealth and all the attendant endowments of intelligence, imtellect and enterprise.

    The ultimate welfare of society can ONLY be attained collectively through sharing stemming from mortals fallibility and the short longevity of a mortal presence on Earth. The ultimate collective welfare and peace in a Society can only be realized through fairness, sharing of excess endowments of material possessions or intellect to empower the less endowed and unleash the latent creative energies of the huge multitude of the materially less endowed.

    The Holy Quran, and before that Jesus Christ as the later made it an article of faith through a demonstrated graphic act of Christ revolt and expressed wrath on the money changers in the alleged Temple of Jerusalem (Drawn here by way of example as I am skeptical of all theologies). In the Quran an expressed allusion of the intended productive objective of material possessions to wider economic benefit of the larger society. The Quran made an expressed indisputable reference that wealth never intended for hording but as a legitimate factor of production to be brought out at risk to the general benefit of society.

    In the examples of American billionaires Warren Buffet and Bill Gates giving away their huge amassed wealth legitimately accumulated through hard labor, transparent creative enterprise to Philanthropy setting the ultimate philosophical conclusion long admonished by great Philosophers in the league of Plato, Al-Farabi and Karl Marx that in essence professes that Material Possessions and Intellect are endowments entrusted to a mortal by mere chance of birth, exceptional intelligence and enterprise to be widely shared to the general good, welfare and peace on earth.

  • said

    Greetings
    In the Marvel of Thought.
    Greetings
    an Gogh departs the human universe a virtual destitute, succumbing to his emotional and physical hurts. One of his so many resourceful chef d’oevres, alone, was auctioned by Christie’s, just a few months past, for a stratospheric $ 82.5 million.

    Rembrandt settles in his late years to a clerk’s function at a little Inn so he could get by in life. One of his paintings was recently auctioned by Sotheby’s for $ 46 million.

    Mozart, the unparalleled universal music genius, bids farewell to the world at a lovely young age, in total financial distress. A friend unexpectedly dropping by late at his home in one of Salzburg’s cold winter nights, finds him fervently Waltzing with his wife. When inquired, what madness got to him to be dancing in the middle of a very cold night, Mozart retorted that was his sole means to warming up since the fire wood supplier wouldn’t advance him any further credit.

    Wagner, the music Maestro, would spend the latter part of his life vagabonding between German cities, so he wouldn’t be tracked down by the creditors for the rations of the basic necessities of life he indebted for his survival.

    Descartes would abandon the glare of nobility, to which he had the privilege of birth, to confine himself to utter solitude in a tiny chamber, for a solid nine years, so he would revolutionize human thought with the ultimate discovery: Je pense, donc, Je suis. When ascended to another stratosphere of universal reality, he was a mere chap engrossed in the constant inquisition of how to relate the mysteries of existence.

    Spinoza, defied the banality of social conditioning in favor of the pursuit of free philosophical thought, and at the cost of total alienation of his Jewish community to the point of virtual excommunication, at the young age of 24, by the rabbinical Jewish Order. Spinoza’s courage and strength of mind were impressively manifested in the constant daily life he lived as in the few severe crises he resolutely faced. The frugality of his life bordered on asceticism, with his time and energy single-heartedly dedicated to the development of philosophical thought.

    Aleksander Pushkin, the Russian Shakespeare, on the approaching occasion of his bicentennial birthday rang in my mind his impatient utterances of frustration, rather deep melancholy, of alienation. To the judges of the obvious, his yearning to fairness was conveniently misconstrued, as to answer to their subconscious insecurities and the urges for the assurance of the tangibles.

    Tolostoy, the prolific novelist with the deeper insight to the marvels of the complexities of human psyche and interrelations, finds refuge in his ending years at a corner inside the Moscow railway station. In his wretchedness, as the homeless of the nowadays city of New York, you would have not recognized him as the epitome of the wonders of human mind of that epoch: the Peace and War and the Anna Karninas.
    Finaly Socrates, in his rugged garment, would pause barefooted for many hours in the middle of a walk, oblivious to the surroundings and the mundane existence, engrossed in a mental journey to infer premises of wider relevance from clues and passing observations. As related in the Apology, the dialogue that he made in his own defense at his trial, his final stand was a beauty of speeches transcending pity preoccupation with the fears of self preservation to the upholding of the virtues of his philosophical thought. He disdained and endured the ultimate
    pain of death so we would inherit the legacy of his courage of conviction and intellectual integrity.

    The above anthology is a bouquet of beautiful souls that enriched the human heritage with their originality of thought. Their sense of mission was less of a conscious effort, but more of instinctive urges intuitively intoned to the ultimate source of wisdom. They viewed material indulgence a distracting triviality to their mission to advance human thought in this ephemeral life. In reality, they were oracles in the cloaks of sages.

  • Desbele

    Selam Kibrom,

    I prefer unsanitized history that presents the hard truth. The truth might be negative and ugly.It might also challenge our optimism. But important lessons are to be drawn from it.
    Really hard to find anything positive and good history from an era of slavery. As they say , those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. I would add the “true” past

  • Paulos

    Selam Kbrom,

    Your rather right off the cuff classification is spot-on. Brilliant! Hope Awatistas expand on it for it is interesting. Again, thank you.

  • Selam anyone person who can help,
    Can anyone of you help me resolving the problem with disqus. Why are my posts held as spams? One post has been held for more than five/six days.

    thank you

  • Haile S.

    ኣሕዋትን ኣዴታትን፡
    እንቛዕ ናብ መዓልቲ ኣዴታት ኣብጽሓክን

    ኣደ ሓጂ ሙሳ ኣዴና ይኹና
    ኣደ ሃይለ ድሩዕ ኣዴና ይኹና
    ጀጋኑ ወሊደን ኣብነት ንኹልና
    ኣጓብዝ ወሊደን ዘለዎም ልቦና
    ዘየኽኣሎም ሓሳረ ጭኮና
    ከለዉ ምስ ሞቱ ደው ንሃገርና

    ኣዴታት ይወልዳ ይጽዕራ የዕብያ
    ሰሪሖም ዝኣትዉ ዘይብሎም ማእለያ
    ገሊኦም ይኾኑ ዓበይቲ ሰብ ሙያ
    ሓደ ክልተ ላዕሊ ጸብለል ገበርቲ ቕያ
    ሓደ ክልተ ከኣ ቀተልቲ ሰረቕቲ ዘይብሎም ኣምሳያ

    ኣደ፡ ሓደ እንተዘይቀንዐ ናትኪ ኣይኮነን ቲ’ጌጋ
    ኩሉ ውሉድኪ፡ ናትኪ ፍጥረት፡ ናትኪ ስጋ

    ናይ ውሉድ ጌጋ እዩ ኣይሰማዕኪ
    መርቒ ጥራይ ነቲ ቅኑዕ ሞገስኪ
    ንሕዋቱ ግደፍሎም ቲ’ሕማቕ መርገምኪ

    ሕጂ’ውን ብተደጋጋሚ ምስጋና ይብጻሕኪ
    ምውቕቲ ፈጣሪት-ህይወት ስለ ዝተሰከምኪ
    ተዕብዪ ትሳስዪ ትጽመሚ ካብኡ ሓሊፍኪ
    ዓንዲ ሕቖ ቤትኪ፡ ዓንዲ ሕቖ ሃገርኪ።

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Haile S,

      What about posting in Jebena page?

      KS,

      • Haile S.

        Sorry Kokhob. Jebena doesn’t open when I touch the image.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Yes Hailat S,

          I know that that more than one week now it doesn’t open. All you have to do is type one time Jebena and google it then you it will open for you..

          Now, that the management of this site are aware of what is happening, for sure they will repair it..

          KS,,

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    Breaking News:

    The Eritrean Global Solidarity (EGS) has conducted a Symposium on March 9, 2018 at George Washington University in Washington DC. Below is a report from VOA News straight from the symposium.

    https://tigrigna.voanews.com/a/eritrean-global-solidarity-symposium/4288209.html

    Regard
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Paulos

      Selam Emma,

      Thank you for the info and all the power to EGS!

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    I used to support them and in fact I thought they would be a good one to unite the people but as you said failed to see that most of them have big ego . Shameful to admit .

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    My expectations were that since he cared for our region and in particular he always bring Ethiopia, Kenya , Eritrea and most of the time he has a very soft spot and I don’t know why he do that while the people re suffering. His articles all over in euroasiareview and he has nothing to say about the dictator and in top of that he stated Eritrea as the only stable state in the region, I find that not fit to his intelligence. I thought the relationship of Somalia and Eritrea was between the people unless nothing negative about him . I still have great respect for the guy .

  • Peace!

    Hi Blink,

    It is unfortunate that the wrong approach by our opposition groups, believing on TPLF and turning against follow compatriots, is costing Eritrea and its people immensely. It is time for REAL discussion: why so many groups for such a tiny country? How many of them meets the structural and ideological requirements? Who would stand up and CLEAN the house?

    PFDJ is naked and our problems have already been defined clearly. We know why our youth are fleeing and we know Eritrea is doomed under DIA. But what many Eritreans interested to entertain is why we have miserably failed and how do we move on.

    Peace!

    • blink

      Dear peace
      I believe if we clean our house and look to our people and care about our country more ,the dictator in Asmara is no match to our united front, How long can it be ? I agree we don’t need many of them ,we only need the good once who can united our people under one goal. I hope the arm twisting by our neighbors will stop now . I mean they have already done too much with no result, I hope they let us do our home work this time . I am optimistic about this .

  • Amde

    Selam Alex

    I was not talking about its viability. I agree with you on it.

    But that doesn’t mean there couldn’t possibly be an attempt.

    I just think in aggregate the actions being taken and events show a group not ready for transition to a more inclusive and different system. There is a faction pursuing a “Go For Broke” strategy using this crisis as an opportunity, and if you game it out, that will be where it is logically headed.

    Just put it as an alternative being put on the table. The next two weeks will tell us a lot.

    Gash Saleh is right to instinctually swat me down because it is a crazy idea. But I am perfectly fine being considered paranoid and conspiratorial :-).

    Amde

    • Alex

      Hi Amde,
      I agree with you the situation in Ethiopia is making some people to throw the Agazian charade in the open. Personally, I start learning about this issue recently through youtube. It is like hearing a lot of people from Tigray start saying they are brothers with Eritreans when things start changing in Ethiopia.

  • Kbrom

    Selam Eritreans and friends and enemies of Eritrea

    Enough! ናትና ገዲፍናስ ናይ እንዳ እማትና።

    Let’s talk about our country, where the Lemma, the Hailemariam , the council, the executive committee, the king, the king maker, the parliament, the plagiariser, the constitution, the process, the end, the commander in chief, the president, the stock exchange director, the in prisoner, the exchange rate allocator, the interviewee, the interviewer, the Halo Dam Supervisor, the economic analyser, the small business licence revoker, the president, the prime minister, the house speaker, the civil engineer, the spokesperson, the strategic studies .article writer….. is one person – PIA.

    The one trillion dollar question to all of us is just one question.:

    Why do we Eritreans do not have our own Quero when

    The regime nationalised our own money and exiled it in his banks
    Two generations’ opportunity has lost in endless service
    the country has gone in to war with almost all nieghbours
    Tens of thousands of our family are in prison
    Constitution is dumped
    Women who made miracle contribution to our independence are now turned to be servants
    The rule of law is hijacked by the rule of fear and the rule of one man
    The veteran and elders are disrespected the war disabled fighters are thrown in ghettos of Kagnew Station
    National sovereignty and territorial integrity of Eritrea is sold to foreign forces by one man like his back yard garden fruits
    The patriarch is being in-prisoned for more than a decade
    People like Hajji Musa and Haile are left to die slowley in a small cell
    3000 – 5000 of the productive work force are fleeing the country monthly
    Socio economic and ultra and infrastructure is destroyed
    The culture and morality of the society is corrupted by design
    The people inside Eritrea and in diaspora are infiltrated by hundreds of spies
    …………And hundreds of other gruesome reasons

    Why is the young fleeing instead of fighting
    Why is the people not uprisng
    Why are the veteran who have passed through thick and thin becoming docile
    Why is the abnormal becoming normal
    Why Why Why

    Please let’s discuss

    • Amde

      Selam የተከበሩ Kbrom,

      I keep saying this site should embrace the chronicling and understanding of how the Qerro got to where it is today. It is perfectly within the motto. That is more fruitful than parlor guessing games.

      Thank you
      Amde

    • Kokhob Selam

      Yes Kbromey,

      Instead of talking about ours we keep talking about Ethiopia ….I 2nd you on this particular topic that we lost our golden hours..Why is that? I am more confident that Ethiopians will solve their problems more than Eritreans ..Any one who can say otherwise I am more challenging person..

      KS,,

    • Nitricc

      Hi Kbrom; you asked “Why do we Eritreans do not have our own Quero when” Never! For two reasons, Qero was born out of neglect by one minority over the majority. The social injustice was too much to bare so, Qero came to exist. In Eritrea, those problems don’t exist. There is no one particular ethnic over the others.
      The second reason is, Qero came to exist due high number of youth with no job opportunity for the number of the youth i.e. the energy of the use needs to dispensed some where. In Eritrea such problem doesn’t exist. The youth some in Sudan, Some IN refugee comp in Ethiopia, Some in Uganda and some in Sweden. There is no youth that can generate such force. So, the only out is when the man decides he had enough. side question for you why do you think there is Qero in Tigray?

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Nitricc
        Good question that u ask why do u think there is qero in tigray? I mean if u see the so called “tigrai elite” . tigrai people is a source of embarrassment for them that is why they want keep them hidden from the seen and don’t want to talk about tigrai at all, i think it’s because the ego of the elite and the reality in tigrai don’t match.
        They talk about refugee 100 times but they don’t talk about the migration from tigrai inside ethiopia and outside.

    • Paulos

      Selam Kbrom,

      Yesterday, Aya Saleh Johar expressed his rather valid consternation when he said, why are some of the forumers obsessing about Ethiopia instead of trying to put the fire out that is consuming Eritrea? I say there appears to be a psychological angle to the obsessing menace where the psychological umbilical cord is still intact. Deep down with in the recess of their hearts, they still believe that they are Ethiopians. What else could be the reason when it is none of their business whether Lemma or Shiferaw ascends to power? And of course there are the other lot who are salvating to see Ethiopia falling apart where the moto and rationale is misery always loves company. In the mean time, the leaders in Ethiopia are determined not to give it to them when Isaias predicted the fall of Ethiopia since 2005 and counting and the audience including forumers cheering him on. “Oh Those Russians” as “Bonney M” had it.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Paul, Kbrom and all.
        Paul እንቋዕ ደሓን ኣተኻ። ባሕሪ ወሪድካ ሰሞዔ ነይረ። ዘራእቲ ከመይ ገዲፍካዮ?

        ኣንታ ጳውሎስ እንታይ ወሪዱካ
        ሕማምና ከብዲ ውርድ ኢልካ
        ንስኻ ትብል ርእሲ ፕሲኣናሊቲካ
        ሰምበል ከተእትወና ከምኣ እናበልካ?

        መዓናጡና ሓደ ዓጎርያ ሰፊርዎ
        መዓኮርና ጎረቤት ነኺሱ ሒዝዎ
        ግደፍ ኣይግድን፡ ትኒዕ ካይትብልዎ
        ክብሮም እኳ እንሆ ቀንይዎ
        ሕጂ ናይ ኣደይ ኢታይ ድኣ’ምበር ገይርዎ

        ግና ሓቅኹም ነቲይ ትኒዕ እናበልና
        ኣይንረስዓዮ ሕማም መዓናጡና
        ንስተየሉ ሱራ ሱር ቆጽለ መጽሊ
        እንተዘይመተ ቀልጢፉ ክኣርግ ክበሊ.

        • Paulos

          Selam Hailat,

          Thank you. It is great to be back. Couldn’t get to Bahri but got close to the border imbued with a heavy heart and an intractable nostalgia. As it happened, Isaias was giving interview to two trembling reporters as their shaking and frightned face tells everything about the nation and I must admit that I felt the fear at the border as well. That said, there is no alternative to optimism and better days are ahead. Better days are ahead.

        • Kbrom

          Dear Haile Kokob

          ጀበናናዶ ጸምያ ዘይ ጀበናና ከነፍልሕ። ድስቲ እንዳማትካ ከተኽውስ ድስትኻ ምሕራር ዲዩ ዝበሃል።

          In respect of Abrhet, Sara, Tsigereda and all Eritrean women

          Here is the song mother by the legend Teberih Tesfahuney.

          እዘን ደቀየ ብሓንሳብ ናብ ገዛና ኣደየ ትብል ኣላ ሰናይ ዘበን ዝምለሰሉ ይግበረልና።

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3E0jO9ViyY

      • Kbrom

        Ho Paul,

        Interesting point but I don not agree. The problem, I think is, in the Ethiopian equation there are several actors, factors, hence trends and trajectories. There is space and degree of tolerance, there is media linkage and political exercise, there is a little degree of transparency and movement, there is imprisonment and release there is the words lawyer, hearing, voted, etc. That makes it at least point of discussion.

        Where as in Eritrea one man is everything, he tells the people how to use their money, he closes small business, he does everything and does it in dark, what can you analayse, discuss, or predict. The only point that we can discuss is why are we sitting on our hands when these is happening. People tend to blame the oppo, but what about the grassroots, as we speak tens of youth (as young as 12) who were arrested in Hajji Mussa’s funeral are being transferred to Kor Menae and Alla to be punished with labour work and ጉዕዞ እግሪ። This is the third generation that will be destroyed by the PFDJ. The question in here is not what the sadist is doing but why the victims have allowed themselves to be subjugated by one person to that degree?

        • Paulos

          Selam Kbrom,

          Not entirely sure if it is conformity, complacency or an outright abject hopelessness. The people are doing absolutely nothing.

          First it was the G-15 and the people did nothing. Wedi Ali came to pass and the people did nothing. Lampedusa happened and the people did nothing and now our most revered citizen died in prison and the people are doing nothing. There is something fundamentally wrong with the picture. Instead we are spending our time analyzing Ethiopia when Ethiopia is trying to do something right as in charting ways to make the lives of the next generation much better than the previous generation where it is the essence of progress.

          In the meantime, the very spirit of Eritrean independence not only gets shaky but fringe movements try to fill the void when people get desperate to find an answer to their perennial anxieties. In the end, if Isaias set out to prove that Eritrean independence was not viable, he made his point but sadly not by siding with the enemy but at the expense of the Eritrean people.

    • Selam kibrom,

      My two points among the so many reasons why things are as they are.

      There is no power that can separate the ordinary eritrean and ethiopian unless with high standing walls, closed borders and a shoot to kill order. I believe that the regime is afraid that peaceful relation and open borders between the two countries could minimize the importance of eritrean independence, and there is the fear that eritreans would travel en mass and reside in ethiopia to trade and even invest as they used to do lured by the larger market and economy.

      One of the main reason eritreans could not unite and face their nemesis is the brainwashing they have undergone over so many years, that in the case of political crisis in eritrea, ethiopia is there to exploit it and reverse its independence, which is of course is far from the truth. Unfortunately many believe this.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam horizon
        What a nonsense comment, do u forget there was/is war/cold war going on between those two countries?

    • blink

      Dear kibrom
      I heard EPDP have new research committee and I guess in few months all your questions can get answers. But I think you have many questions an answered and as Eritrean you can answer them instead waiting an answer from our neighbors, I think their answers didn’t gave fruits and the 17 years weyane arms twisting and looking for their boggy men gave zero result. I believe the Eritrean opposition are in a very very difficult situation and this situation are make or break , they are broke .

      • Kbrom

        Hello Blinkay

        So you think our problem will be solved by a research thesis, eh? Why do we always blame and ridicule the opposition when the opposition should be the result of us.

        Ethiopia and weyane: Can we please avoid that section, the title of the thread is let’s talk our case; ዘይጻሕልና ከነኽውስ ጻሕልና ይሓረና ኣሎ። Let’s talk for sometime at least without calling weyane weyane – it is becoming an obsession.

        • blink

          Dear kibrom
          I am just saying that your questions are not easily answered as they need deeper and stronger lenses, you see kibrom the reason I brought weyane was just in connection to our opposition, I am one of the people who blame TPLF for arm twisting and giving favours to horrible people who said they represented Eritreans. I think it is fair to put blame on TPLF for the Eritrean opposition failed journey.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Aboy Kibrom,

      I can’t look you in the eyes while talking to you any longer now that I know you used to hangout with the likes of Osman Saleh Sabbe. Holy Moly!

      If it is any conciliation, look at us, after 5,000 (okay, 4,000) years of practicing to rule our selves, we are still struggling to build a nation. Eritrea is a country under construction. True, some of the issues you listed were preventable and may be even self-inflicted, but in the grand scheme of things it’s hard to blame anyone in particular without blaming everyone for most of it and it wouldn’t be useful if it is done.

      Identify small but crucial moves such as improving unity among individuals and groups, forming of or joining in civic societies to share experiences, create or contribute into an atmosphere of forgiveness, and not duel in the past to the degree of risking the future.

      If I only had a magic wand!?!

      • Paulos

        Selam Fantinaion,

        Eritrea is under construction? Really? That sure is a lump sum complement for Isaias. Hope he is reading you.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Dr,

          Assuming they understood me as you did, I will keep the points I may have earned from PFDJites-:), but I meant it as a “new born nation.” For the record, I identified IA since 1993 for what he really is. I have witnesses.

        • Peace!

          Hi Dre

          Welcome Back.

          Peace!

        • Nitricc

          Hi P; well come back: the truth is Eritrea could have easily this some times reality check is good.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRyKuIb5EXQ

      • Haile S.

        Selam Fanti,

        ኣንቱም ፋንቲ፡ 4000 ዓመት ኣብ ቁርባበሻኹም ኣእቲኹም ንዓና ሓንቲ ዘመን ዘይትመልእ ገዲፍኩም ጥራሕና ከተትርፉና? ወጹብ! “ስስግኡ ንዓና ዓዓጽሙ ንእንዳ ጎይታና” እንዲኹም ጌርኩማ:-) :-)።

    • saay7

      Kbrom:

      That’s one tough question whose answer has become illusive and even if we know the answer correcting has been a challenge. I did ask an Ethiopian friend what he thought was the difference between Eritrean and Ethiopian youth on a particularly dark week when I learned of the death of Haile DeruE and Musa Mohammed Nur (who are Gen 1 and Gen 2 of Eritrea’s long march towards independence.) Why is it that Eritrea is the only country in the world where the elderly fight back and the youth flee? His answer was: Ethiopia has built lots of universities where the professor have actual academic freedom and they actually educate students on the meaning of liberal democracy with little or no intrusion from the government whereas the college experience in Eritrea is an extension of military indoctrination.

      Could that be one factor? Here’s another: in Eritrea, because commitment is compulsory, to rebel against the government is to rebel against any form of commitment (the youth have commitment issues); whereas in Ethiopia to rebel against the government is to show commitment to a cause (group rights, freedom of assembly, representative government.)

      Here’s another: scale. If you are an Ethiopian youth, you can defy the government and the country is so large, the risk of you being caught and arrested and tortured is manageable risk. In Eritrea, because the country is small, and everybody knows everybody (and there is no freedom of movement), the risk of defying is high, as is the probability of being caught.

      The Ethiopian demonstrators did not serve in any armed force, they live with their parents, they have friends they trust. In Eritrea, everybody has already been broken in Sawa (the whole purpose of boot camps is to break people down and re-assemble them), they are separated from friends and family and trust is broken.

      If, as some say, the exodus was caused by the West to empty the country out of its productive youth and bring it to its knees (reducing the barrier to exit), then the Sign Remorse Letter and you are back to our bosom policy of of PFDJ was designed to allow the youth to not stray too far from the politics they are familiar with (increasing barrier to enter the oppo.)

      saay

      • blink

        Dear saay
        I think the failure is the educational institutions in Eritrea. They all are designed to serve PFDJ , I mean go to sawa every one is required to sleep or eat at a defined hour , the curriculum is also a loose canons, I mean the political science, sociology, anthropology,economy and other have no love lost to liberal democracy. Social sciences departments are totally destroyed and there is no way students are learning so that you expect them to challenge .

        Commitment, well this one is a tricky one sir , infact Eritreans are too committed but the way they are shaped is the problem. For example one of the failures the opposition was and still is that they failed to define PFDJ and especially Issaias, I think in politics it helps to define your opponents in a very specific way , PFDJ weakness is endless but yet the opposition failed to use it ,on the opposite PFDJ are using the bravery of ELF and EPLF and other things at their wish while they destroy the country. The opposition failed to recognise the value of Eritrean revolution, instead they run their mouth wild in blaming past history and what Yemane with his cronies did was simply genius, they used every game of the opposition to their advantage. Ask any one , I think the way PFDJ organise their followers is simply beating the opposition arms down. The day the opposition messed with Eritrean founders was the day the opposition lost its engine. I don’t remember his name but there was a man a very great man who lived in Australia and he listened to the horrible words of the opposition and he rejected their offer to lead them , Saleh Gadi knows the man . You see the kerinilos card becomes more valuable in the south, it was the day the opposition was defined all of Eritreans camp in Ethiopia and Sudan.

        On the opposite Ethiopian opposition are simply organised in a way that no one has a clue who is the leader , you people like has been laughing at ESAT and G-7 well here you are ESat is one of the most wanted news in Ethiopia. They have perfected their game , they mastered the propaganda machine of blaming one group ( weyane) . We could not possibly do a fraction of that , still PFDJ has muscle in the west .

        • Peace!

          Hi Blink,

          That’s real talk! Yes, I remember we laughed at ESAT (seber Zena), which now turns out very productive. We Eritreans are too coward and only good at mocking our pride and insecure about our identity. Despite Eritrean on the verge of failed state, YG and others in the opposition groups are talking about Eritrean identity.

          Peace!

          • blink

            Dear peace
            When I see the identity talk suffocate the entire opposition energy I felt mortified by that, I mean we were dying and here we have people trying to teach us about their similarities in the south. It is a sick scene that our eyes and head can not tolerate at a normal condition. Yet we have to call for more inclusive and caring opposition force because the division scale is not helping us nock the man in Asmara. Enough playing the identity card let’s go to work because if not the people will not follow day dreamer because day is usually for hard workers.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Saay and Kibrom,

        I am glad you guys are discussing this important topic. Currently Beyan. Yohannes, iSem are sort of exploring the non violence method the qerro movement are using to bring about change in Ethiopia.

        In our discussion we are focusing on Gene Sharp book, from dictator ship to democracy and the movie detailing the experience in of Eastern Europe, and the Arab spring.

        I hope you look into that discussion and add your views.

        To just answer your questions, why we do not have our own qerro, I think we had and we do. For example around 2001. the Asmara U disobeying the government could have triggered such a moment.

        I think the movement come a little too soon, G13, G15, AU right after the end of the war and the public was not prepared to entertain all our regime change but some sort of minor reform and specially with the implementation of the constitution is all they wanted.

        This gave time for IA and group to regroup and implement total control, slowly across all sectors of the government and society. And they did that without any challenge and resistance.

        So for the past 17 they had the field all to themselves and the short and easy way out for Eritrean youth is to just run and look after themselves.

        The Qerro movement I think they are using the methods of tre Serbian students to the book. The fact that there is no leaders is a clear sign that those leaders are hiding behind the movement, there are leaders a group of people who are leading this from behind.

        For me when I saw the sign crossing hands, that was a clue that this is not some sort of disorganized group, but very tactical team.

        And what’s important is, in non violence method, not only that you push when opportunity calls for but you back down and it’s too risky, which they have demistrated time and again.

        The point is, we can’t judge the successful majority movement of Qerro now and make a conclusion why Eritrea youth are running ad fighting. Because Oromo had for a long time raising their grievances, including using arms but only now they were able to successed because they have switched tactics.

        We should also question why Ethiopians after 2005 election could not use similar tactics, but they didn’t because they didn’t use the NV method to fight back.

        So there is no difference but the methods used. And in our case when there is no opportunity to organize then the youth could have brought that opportunity themselves.

        How, well that where the planning and strategy needs to come handy and we need to brainstorm and formulate.

        Berhe

      • Gogo

        Hello Saay and Haile,
        I think I can comment with a little bit of authority on the question why there seems to be no sign of political activism in our institutions of higher education. For sure the securitization/militarization of the education system and the general absence of freedom is one big reason for that. Even in the absence of military control in the colleges (they withdrew the military personnel camped in May Nefhi and other colleges since 2008), the National Union of Eritrean Youth and Students and YPFDJ branch offices in the Colleges control and report all student and faculty activities to the central PFDJ office. That said, however, the PFDJ is not all-knowing and omnipotent organisation. In fact, one can not wish for a more dysfunctional/ineffective and old-fashioned enemy than the PFDJ. One glaring reason for the absence of activism, seems to me the lack of capable faculty members who assumes political engagement as part of their job. What we have in the Colleges are mediocre, self-serving sycophants who have neither the ability nor the will to speak their minds freely. They do not have the tradition of political activism either. Those who are capable have abandoned their intellectual post and are teaching white kids in western universities. I say this with all bitterness because I share the experience of having no intellectual and political mentors as a student and later a junior teaching staff in one of the Colleges. It really does not impress me when those who were supposed to be there for us now from the comfort of their Western ivory towers speak about the absence of any sense of political mission in our youth and College students. I know for a fact, how radical and restless are so many of our students. They are not indoctrinated automatons. They are more savvy and mature than what we usually tend to think of them.

        Another related reason is probably historical. Ethiopian universities, from the 1960s to the present, have the tradition of student activism. In our case, shftnet (excuse me for using this term. I do not mean it in the way Ghedli-bashers use it) in one form or another has been the tradition. The last fifty years of our history has been a long process of depoliticisation. It might be counterintuitive, but the Eritrean armed struggle was anti-politics military machine.

        This of course is not to excuse ourselves (I beg your pardon for speaking in this terms but I feel part of this group anthropologised as politically lame). To quote Fanon, we should discover our generational mission out of the obscurity and confusion created by our predecessors and fulfill it.

        p.s. I am not sure whether it is me or the Mahmuday in me speaking. I should be excused for that

        • Paulos

          Selam Gogo*,

          Man, that was crisp and to the point! Thank you!

          *Hailat or Abrehet, can you please shed some light on the difference if there is any between ጎጎ and ቅጫ? Thanks.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            Welcome back.

            ጎጎ ካብቲ ዝውቱርን ልሙድን ቅጫ ይፍለ እዩ:: ጎጎ ክብብ ዝበለ ረጉድ ቅጫ ብሓርጭ ስገም ወይ ስርናይ ወይውን ሓንፈጽ ተቀጭዩ ዝስራሕ እዩ:: ቅጫ ግን ብሓፈሻ ኣርቅቅ ኣቢልካ ዝስንከት ካብ መብዛሕትኡ ጻዕዳ እኽሊ እዩ:: It only differs in shape, thickness, and size.

            Regard

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Thank you. Hope you will tell us more about the symposium. Giving up is not an alternative. Better days are ahead.

        • blink

          Dear Gogo
          Where’s the comment you wrote about Adawa and the karthum war , pls I need that , can you do sth.

          • Dear Blink,
            Sorry for the delayed reply. You can read the Adwa-Khartoum post now. Disqus has finally released it.
            cheers

        • MS

          Selam Gogo
          To the point, and I agree with both points although I have been an observer from a distant vantage point.
          That’s why I say, as Bob Marley would like repeating, I say “all able people and organizations should focus inside Eritrea. Invest your political activism inside Eritrea.”
          The diaspora activism has been stuck at what diaspora could do. It has reached a point of saturation. And our smart people have been smart only at poking each other. You know PFDJ and it among the most archaic organizations. Penetrating it wouldn’t be that difficult. Up to this point the opposition focus has been on regime change as opposed to bringing positive change with all of its benefits including emboldening and supporting the intelligentsia and the use, two important targets for homegrown activism for real change. My next to the next article will discuss this angle, something some of us have been saying for years.
          Gracias

          • Gogo

            Selamat all,
            The question Kibrom has raised is not simple and it calls for a complicated analysis. My previous comment should not be read as exonerating one generation and blaming another. It was only meant to complicate the usual “ezom hmaqat meneseyat’ line of argument.

            Part of the problem with the point that the new generation lacks courage to resist is the tendency to view courage as a display of superhero power- i.e the proclivity to conceive a hero in the Robin Hood mould. This is a mistake many people commit when they speak about the apparent docility of slaves or many African communities under European colonisation. The everyday micro resistance tends to be forgotten because people only see the Spartacus of the world. The point is, the oppressed shows his/her deviance and agency in one thousand and one ways. one has to look closer to divine them. Identifying the various forms in which resistance is expressed is important because they can be effective entry points for any political party that purports to fight against oppression. hade beluley

            When we think of how the Eritrean subject- in the political sense- is produced, we should cast our analytical net a bit wider so that we include in our radar the different locations of power, state or otherwise. We do not need to go far like Foucault in declaring that the king’s head should be beheaded when we think of power. In our case, the state still remains the primary source of concentrated power. But, we should also think of the family, our educational system and other institutions and social units when we ponder about how the political subjectivity of the post independence generation is produced. Take the family as a site of analysis for example. For me, our families have been effective instrument of instilling the fear of the state as the beginning of wisdom (anta qolla sq elka tmhrtka/srahka gber…politika ayedlyekan eyu.. is the usual admonishment that we have grown listening to.). One can add to this the educational system about which Saay and Fanti were discussing somewhere in the forum. klte beluley!

            Do not charge me for plagiarism for i forget who said the following but somewhere i read that power relations have three facets. One is the social facet and involves the use or threat of violence. Viewing from this perspective, the PFDJ regime has perfected the art of deploying its cowardly instruments of violence (prison, disappearance, torture, etc). The second facet of power relations is psychological and it involves the capacity to persuade the oppressed by the oppressor that her interest lies in the system that conditions the structure of relations. In this regard, we can declare the PFDJ almost a complete failure, at least inside the country.

            The third facet of power relations, which is closely related to the second, is cultural. In the Gramscian sense, those in power “transforms force into right, and obedience into duty.” As Rousseau would put it, this facet of power insures the continual exercise of power of the oppressors over the oppressed. Basically, this is the province of the ideological department of the ruling power- the zemhrets and yemanes of the world are the high priests in our case. My assessment on the third cultural/ideological dimension of the PFDJ regime is again similar to the second aspect. Thanks to the work of this Website and other sister platforms, this fortress is breached.

            So, in the last analysis, the PFDJ is surviving on a brute force. Make no mistake,our Qeeros are not as docile or mindless as you might think. They are not revolutionary romantics either. So, the assignment remains to reach out to them, building their confidence and trusting their capacity to change. If someone plays Jawar somewhere in the States or Europe, a Merara Gudina will be emboldened and the youth will follow. Amen

          • iSem

            Hi Kbrom and Gogo:
            Ok. Gogo says that the youth did not get the intellectual stimulation from their professors who would inspire them for activism and those who would have played such a role have left and are teaching white kids. At face value this statement sound plausible and it has been said in one other form before: Eritrea has no honest intellectual group. Also even if the those who left in disgust to instead teach white kids were honest from their homes away from home, we would be in a better situation. For some reason the Eritrean intellectuals seem to have to lives, one that teaches the white kids to think for themselves to challenge dogmas, e.g a certain professor of journalism would teach his students to speak truth to power but in a Mekete meeting would say the the students in Asmara were wrong to stand up to dr. WoldeAb’s slavery project. I do not expect for the professos inside the regime to risk their lives by even insinuating activism, but how about those who are teaching white kids, how do you reconcile that. It boils down to human nature, there are always among us those who aspire yo profit from our suffering, profit materially or emotionally by rubbing shoulders with the powers that be. Our job is to decrease their numbers, and these kinds of people littered the armed struggle and looked the other way when they knew what was happening, one intellectual of that era has taken responsibility and I admire him, nothing is too little, nothing is too late.
            Gogol, the new generation cannot pass the buck and blame it on lack of mentor. Who mentored the youth of 60s, they read, they identified with foreign freedom fighters, they took risks, and what happened to them from the Ethiopian regime was nothing, especially during the HS era. Bashai narrates and Emma can correct me ad his peer, when the students of BD Polytechnic refused to go to school, the regime was begging them and paying them.
            The youth of today cannot have it both ways, they want to appear lovers of Eritrea by not surrendering the guns of martyrs to the woyanes and want to run away from PFDJ. Kbrom, one of the reason that one Rashaid is able to power the youth is they are so tired and starved by the tim they make it to the border and they have no chance agains well rested, well fed with dates and milk armed Rasahida, whose PFDJ has his back, who kidnapping is in his DNA because his grad father was doing it for 50 years, kidnapping Eritreans from their villages and selling them the Arabs. They have thrown their guns in the Eritrean border because they belong to the dead heroes, this thinking is demented.so they cannot defend themselves let alone their sisters. Not only should they bring their guns with them, they should even sell them and collect money for their travels, it is their severance pay instead of calling their relatives and asking for money. This does not need mentorship
            And many of the professor are moon lighting during their summer vacations or after retirement in Eritrea and they are just kidding themselves that they think they are contributing to the countries human capital
            Also the government hired Indian teachers while the country has many university grad languages the jungle digging the stupid dams and trenches to be buried in when woyane bombed the hell of it. The foreign teachers are there to make a buck and not inspire young blacks
            So it is not black and white of the lack of mentorship, it is nuanced and intertwined of multitude reasons

          • Desbele

            Selam iSem,

            You make my day with this statement :”it is their severance pay”
            At the time I was in the army many Warsay conscripts were paying for losing/missing their guns during the 3rd offensive. Many of them didnt recieve a pay for 2yrs paying back for the missing gun. And remember some of them lost their guns while helping to save a wounded comrade. This much is Shaebias tyranny. Terrorize the terrorist is the best way to defeat this monster. Use its own gun – for protection or money.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam desbele
            R u sure u have been in the army?
            For soldier losing a gun under any circumstances is a big crime . in any army.

          • Desbele

            Selam Tedros,

            It is war and the dynamics are too many. Yes a soldier shouldnt lose his/her gun during combat. But it happens. And i gave example. Losing your gun while trying to save a fallen comrade. In another case I know, a soldier came with a better gun from the enemy but lost his original . Does he deserve punishment or reward?
            ግን ቴድሮስ ዓዋተ ውስጥ ጎንደሬነትህን ኣውልቀህ ግባ። ወታደር ነበርኩ። ግን ኣልኮራበትም። ጥያቄህን ቀጥታ ጠይቅ. R u sure u have been in armyን ምን ኣመጣው

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam desbele
            Sorry for r u sure.but i heard it is a big crime under any circumstances.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy, Desbele is a Tigrayn and never fired a gun let alone to be an army. Any one who was in Army knows those few and must rules.
            he is a happy slave of the west with likes of Semere andoms.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Desbele was listening to a propaganda done by some lairs unless he is simply irresponsible.

          • Alex

            Hi Desbele
            From you’re responses you have so much hate. You know what an Ethiopian high officials told Eritreans in the refugee camp. You guys even when you run away from your country you drop your guns before crossing the border. So what it show you Eritreans are running the country because of the indefinate military service, lack of opportunity and freedom but overall they are patriotic in what they do. So if you want to fight PFDJ go were they are rather than trying to advocate your idea from a safe western country.

          • blink

            Dear Alex
            Desbele has not only hate , he has more ,he make lies about Eritrean fighters when ever he opens his mouth . The guy doesn’t oppose PFDJ , he actually is happy about everything that happens in Eritrea from a negative side. He believes the unionists in 1950th were the best bet and as well as his friends like sahay from asmarino forum . These people manufactured lies and advertise Foro , every single word about Eritrea is copied from paltalk. The guy is a lying engine supported by people like papi and the southern queen.

          • Desbele

            Selam Alex,

            I believe most of the Warsai who cross the border do so from their home not from their military (slavery) unit. And they pay hefty money for that. One reason being that not all are stationed on the border.
            Wow, it is amazing how fast the bar for Eritrean patriotism has lowered. It used to be burning a tank . Now that you have redefined it to be “defecting” to the “enemy” without a gun…you are ridiculous.
            Alex, patriotism is not wrapping with large flag, or shouting the national anthem loud , it is standing for justice …and justice for all.
            Last , yes i do have hate against pfdj and their cronies. Do you not? .

          • blink

            Dear isem
            Thanks for revealing the truth about the elite educated people let’s hope the white kids serve them well . The summer hotels in massawa has been their go well places and if they disagreed with PFDJ, they have been running to Ethiopia to dance with Ethiopian girls .if you wanted an example oh you know.One mistake you made comes from your misinformation you have about Eritrean military.

          • iSem

            Hi blink:
            Well, am sure that if PFDJ wanted it can stop the human kidnapping by Rashaidas but they wont because a) they profit from it, and b) it is a means to terrorize the Eritrean pople so a well fed, and tranquil citizens would not dare rebel against them. They recycle the people and repeat the formula again and again to protract their grip. The Rashaida would be relegated to their historical sporadic kidnapping without the backing of PFDJ officials. If you can pay 7000 USD you ride a government jeep and make it to Kassala. So I am not wrong about the Eri military, Actually there is no national l military to speak of, the power is in a latent military that profits from the crimes. And the naive Warsays thinks the gun they are carrying belongs to their martyred brothers and throw it in the border instead of using it to defend themselves from the humiliation by primitive tribe called Rashaida, The untold suffering by our people under Eritrean criminals and Rashaid cannot happen in such magnitude without the military help. Does this every soldier is criminal, NO. But it does mean this is a collaborative network and the military is not defending eritreans

          • Paulos

            Selam Gogo,

            It certainly is a joy to read your take on the current issue. Petri-dish, under the microscope and the Freudian couch if you will have thus far failed to pin point what is ailing Eritrea. Simply because the challenge is far more complicated than the naked eye can zoom-in onto.

            Years ago, there was a heated debate about the massive youth influx whereby if it was a collective sign of defiance or a sign of hopelessness where as time went by the sign seemed to have pivoted to the latter. The rather self-defeating mantra goes, ቃልሲ ነቦታትናን ኣያታትናን ኣይጠቐመን for independence—many assumed as a zero sum game. When it is natural for the youth to get confused and get lost in the mix, the Opposition failed to guid and inspire the youth, instead the Opposition found itself in a morass of vicious cycle. In the meantime, PFDJ run with it all the way to the bank by indocrinating what is left of the youth. What is so strange about PFDJ is that it constructed the Eritrean-Man by deconstructing the Eritrean-Man where the Power-Relations Michel Foucault talked about is completely misplaced. In a complete departure from a Marxist credo, Power according to Foucault is not atomized or localized rather it is relational whereby resistance comes with it as well. To the contrary, The Eritrean-Man is constructed by stripping all his potential power to the extent he is unable to resist—a contradiction PFDJ perfected to the end.

          • saay7

            Selamat Gogo:

            When I was a kid, there was a game we played called “Alfas men seregu” (who stole the axe): I don’t know its origin (probably Keren) and why anyone would consider it a game given its very limited creativity, but it was all about shifting blame. That game is still played in Eritrean politics to our detriment.

            I think it’s because the scale of the disaster that has befallen Eritrea is so massive that explanations like “President Isaias Afwerki and a few of his trusted lieutenants are responsible for it” doesn’t appear to be adequate. This has led to a forensic science which has led to all the following accused of stealing the axe:

            1. Those who started the movement for independence from Ethiopia (the Independence Bloc, the ELF, later the EPLF) because there was no good reason for it (YG);
            2. Those in EPLF who tolerated/encouraged the concentration of power in one man and did not stand up for the civil liberties of combatants (the Ghedli deromantics);
            3. All highlanders for embracing IA even as they knew his sadist proclivities because “he is one of us” (the radical lowland/Muslim)
            4. all Hamasienites for embracing IA even as they knew his sadist proclivities because “he is one of us” (the radical regionalists)
            5. All who trace their immediate heritage to Tigray because a multiple-generation Eritrean would never do what IA is doing to Eritrea (the nativists: dekebat movement)
            6. All lowlanders and Muslims in general for disengaging from Eritrea and immersing themselves in Pan Arab and Pan Islam activities (the radical highlander)
            7. Some lowlanders, particularly from the Red Sea region for turning against their kin and confession (the non-Semhar Muslim Eritreans)
            8. All opposition organizations for presenting such a scary alternative people choose to remain with PFDJ (the oppo toon to the opposition)
            9. Eritrean culture and history which, excepting for animosity to Ethiopia, has no record of organizing to fight against injustice (YG again)
            10. Eritrean youth are very different from the heroic youth of the past (new argument still floating.)

            So, Gogo my friend, you are barely at #10 to explain why we are where we are. Over the weekend, I watched a WegaHta video of Ethio-based Eritrean oppo leaders explaining how they are going to bring change. No, I kid of course. They were explaining the situation in Eritrea. They were doing their version of “Alfas men seregu.” So there is the problem: everyone is an analyst, nobody wants to be a politician. Because a politician is required (per job description) to solve a problem.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saay,

            This is another version of classifying the Eritrean politics different from that of our own Kbrom, who tried to classify us by generational mission. I tend to agree with your classifications, provided you omit the political labels you attributed to your classification. However, you had good and close observation to the nature of our political interactions.

            Regards

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            And you should add #11: an analyst is born every day in Eritrea:-)
            Now seriously, we should have to attached every single scenario you outlined like the medical profession has done to the glycemic index, eg assigning 100 GI to white refined bread(bad) and going down the list. So I prose the AI (analyst index of 1 to the romantics lowest and least dangerous
            🙂

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem,

            I think we would not be in the situation we are if we never had the enablers:

            1) The “he is one of us” group
            2) The interest group – those benefiting from this unfortunate situation.

            The rest of the classifications are simply made to exist because of the confusion or tactic/game created by 1) and 2) above.

          • saay7

            iSem:

            Coming up with the GI would be yet another occupation for…analysists. I think the reason that, to the consternation of some of our readers, we are paying attention to Ethiopian politics (and, to some extent, Sudanese politics where Omar Albashir has gone on to arrest opposition politicians) is because, unlike Eritrea, there is politics going in with people vying to lead and presenting their solutions for their countries.

            Kbrom proposed and Emma endorsed the idea that one of our traits is not being complimentary to one another and lacking tolerance. Really? We invented the word ቀልዓለም. (Fanti, what’s the Amharic equivalent for that?) Civility demands we tolerate mediocrity. How does one, for example, explain the proliferation of bad poetry which opens every political gathering. I mean painfully bad stuff. If we were more candid, would it have not been able to improve our literature? Same in our politics, I think. It’s what a writer for GWB called “the bigotry of low expectations.”

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Abu Salah,
            Excellent “ Tsumwaq”
            I totally agree with the ten-point classification. But to reach to an acceptable understanding don’t you think we have to revisit the notion that only “President Isaias Afwerki and a few of his trusted lieutenants are responsible for it” ?

            I find that too simplistic and there is a major consensus that it goes beyond that. I think the ruling class is much bigger that isais and a few lieutenants. Nur the ten points you presents explain the disarray we are witnessing thought most of them are defensible, a few are just a result of our confused state of mind.

          • saay7

            Abu Selah:

            Actually, when I said IA and a few of his lieutenants, that was a concession to Emma otherwise I usually stick to IA since the lieutenants are completely disposable. In traditional authoritarian systems, there are independent power centers that can make things very difficult for El Bruto to govern alone and it ends up becoming a coalition of tyrants where each tyrant is able to make the life of the other miserable (think of warlords, clerics, royalty, oligarchs, party bosses). But in Eritrea, everybody except IA is disposable. The day after Wedi Kassa or Yemane CHARLIE is deposed there will be an article in Tesfanews telling us he was a Trojan horse.

            Anyway, my point was that the alfas men seregu mystery is unresolved. Very different from the revolutionary days when the enemy was clearly defined as “capitalist, imperialist, Zionist” haile Selasse regime or ፉሽሽታዊ ደርጊ. Now? It depends who is grieving.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay (Aya Adi’U),

            I hope you will not see it as a curse to justice seekers, and to speak the truth on the reality of our politics will also hopefully does make me a pessimist on our fights to bring change in our nation. You might not agree with me as you did in many of our debates, but here are the realities on the ground from my reading, that ultimately becomes my prospective:

            (a) PFDJ is strong consolidated party. It is not a one man party. It is a solid party with considerable committed members to the cause of their party.

            (b) Eritrea is a party-state where there is no distinction between “government” and “ state.” Usually in normal states, the state has three pillars (i) the government (ii) the private sectors (iii) the civil society. In a party-state we have only the government that runs the state. All the political infra-structures are controlled by the party establishments.

            (c) In a party-state there are always dominant figures in their centralized unitary governance. Hence PFDJ has a dominant figure “Issayas” similar to other party-states such as the Workers Party of North Korea (WPK) and the old Communist Party of China.

            (d) The ruling parties of Party-states have a well structured controlled system where power runs up-down to implement decisions from the heads. Hence, the PFDJ power runs from the head of the party.

            (e) The ruling parties of Party-States have a strong “ideological belief system” that has indoctrinated to their members. PFDJ members are committed to their belief system and defend from their adversaries day and night.

            (f) The ruling parties of Party-States organize and enroll youths to ensure the continuation of their belief system. PFDJites are organizing the youth as YPFDJ to continue their belief system.

            (g) In the ruling parties of Party-states, power can transfer smoothly either to family members or to others by electing in a party conference, in the event their leaders disabled or deceased. The PFDJ realities will not be different from that prospective scenario.

            (h) Parties of Party-states are always embedded in the army and security apparatus of their nation. Hence, the safety of their parties is secured from their enemies.

            (I) Parties of Party-states do not negotiate with their adversaries, rather they hunt to obliterate them.

            Therefore, haw Saay, Issayas has power like many parties on a Party-states. And of course his party (PFDJ) will have a smooth transition of power after his departure. That is the realistic scenario. Issayas gone doesn’t mean PFDJ gone. Those who are dreaming with the departure of Issayas, PFDJites will change the direction and the politics of our nation is simply an utopian dream.

            Regards

          • Desbele

            Selam Aman,

            You summed it up!
            I wonder though what their belief system is – Facism?!

          • Kbrom

            Dear say,

            Thank you for the guidance and detailed points or Tsmwaq according to memhr SJ.

            As we see nowadays, it has become fashionable to be a ‘parachute journalist’ where you land on a country that you know nothing and give an expertise reporting. Similarly, we are becoming ‘parachute analysts’, as you stated it rightly; hence, please be patient to host another parachute analyst to reply to your post.

            Allow me to slightly modifythe Alfas Men Serequ to Alhurya Min Deye’eu (who lost the independence).

            Let’s pick #1 ( Aboy Wedeab) ( Saleh Ayaya + Hailed rue)
            #8 (Hussien Khalifa)
            #10 (Generation YG)

            All the people in # 1 have done their role by launching the struggle for independence, showing dedication and achieving the independence. (Laid the foundation of the HDMO built the HDMO and got back the HDMO from the monster who took it in the name of federation). On the process of building the HDMO they made many mistakes, but the two things that they did not do is that: 1) they did not waste their time blaming their predecessors for letting them be where they were 2) did not sit in their hands. Everyday they make efforts to building of the HDMO by adding value and looking forward.

            All the people in #8 dedicated their life for independence, when they realised the HDMO that they built/got back from the looter was hijacked again by few people, they continued their struggle to bring back their HDMO. The two things that they did not do is that 1) they did not waste their time blaming their predecessors for letting them be where they were 2) did not sit in their hands everyday they make efforts towards building of the HDMO by adding value and looking forward.

            Most of the young people in #10 did the two things that the #1 and #8 did not do i.e. 1) blaming and complaining about how the HDMO was built and flee when the very HDMO is in a blaze of fire and 2) at the same time not doing any thing to extinguish the fire and bring back the HDMO to the original dream of the fighters.

            Eritrea does not have the population census, but it is said more than 60% of the current population were born after independence. If these youths do not start to do their role then it is appropriate to say Alhurya #10 Deye’eu, the #10 lost the opportunity of the independence.

            In 2016 I was back home for the 25th anniversary, in April there was a big round up (Giffa), what surprised me was almost all (98%) of the geffefti are the youth. You are surprised to see them in the train station of Zurich, you are appalled when you see the very youth who survived from the accident of Lampedusa going to the festivals because they miss Asmera and Derfi. Yet they complain about the opposition, about Ghedli and about the G15 etc.

            Alfas generation millenuim serequ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kibromay,

            An excellent rebut. Talking the truth sometimes is painful but necessary to our healing and regaining our strength.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Gogo,
          Though so bluntly, you touched the absolute right cords. The history of eritrean learned has been a history of running away starting during the Mengistu era. Either to serve the motherland and/or to serve ourselves, we the eritrean learned were and are still running away from the hell we abondoned to confront. It is easy to put fingers on others and say ‘they’; it is all our responsibility. Most of us here are included. Following independence, the de facto leaders did not loose time to do the same as their predecessor administrators, i.e. deliberately causing and letting their learned to run away. It takes some academic and basic freedom to keep the learned dreaming and be productive, and that is the thing we should target for.
          For Paulos: ጎጎ ካብ ስገም ጥራይ ዝስራሕ ቅጫ እዩ። ቅጫ ክበሃል ከሎ፡ ሓፈሻዊ ስም ኮይኑ፡ ካብ ዝተፈላለየ እኽሊ ዝስራሕ እዩ። ቕጫ ዓተር ከማን ኣሎ።

        • Gogo

          Selam all,
          I feel I have to register a caveat here. For me Saay and Saleh Ghadi are different breed of cats. My comment do not concern them. in my childhood language…nkletoom ztenkefom fafa …(the asmarinos can complete the sentence)

          peace

        • Kbrom

          Dear Gogo

          Great points! ጎጎ እዝጊ ብላዕ።

          But in fact BUT, the role of the other 50% is missing in your analysis. I agree the adverse impact of the absence of role model is one factor. What about the other wing that should make the activists fly high, the initiator, the feeling that makes one self-conscious and fight against injustice. Eritrean students were known for their courage and activism traveling all the way to Baher dar and Addis university, whilst there were no role models for them at all.

          I do believe the new generation has not shown its courage; it failed to create its heroes.

          ከመይ ጌሩ ሓደ ራሻይዳ ን50 መንእሰያት ኮብኪቡ ይኸይድ እሞ ኣብዚ ጽንሑ ኢሉ ንገለ ካብተን ደቀንስትዮ ይጋሰሰን፡ እዚ ባዕሎም እቶም መንእስብያት ኣብ ጉዕዞኦም ዘጋጠሞም ኪገልጹ ከለዉ ዝእመኑሉ ኢዩ፡ ቆልዑ ሱሳታት would never allow such a disgrace to happen to themselves and their sisters.

          With all due respect GoGo!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Kibrom,

            Indeed you are right, that there is big difference on “student activism” of our generation and the current generation. The old generation was committed and ready for sucrifice to their cause.

          • Desbele

            Dear Kibrom,

            I disagree.
            Men of the sixties(let me call them Gen 60) are part of the root causes of the atrocities happening to Eritrean youth from Eritrea to Lampedusa.
            Sexual abuse was rampant in Eritrean military and the main perpetrators were in fact commanders – mostly Gen 60. They also shamelessly use free labour to build their houses and tend their farms. The other thing that bewildered me during my military stay was the hierarchical physical abuse of commanders. Division commander could and would beat lower ranking commanders and they in turn would beat lower than themselves. This also is the truth for political leaders. Isaias beating his ministers and the ministers hit the directors. This is an absolute submissiveness and cowardice that i witness during my time in Eritrean military 1998-2003. All from Gen 60. We proudly hear the gallant Aman Andom fighting back his killers and well ….the G-15.
            Truly, I grow up in Addis with experience and imagination that Eritreans are blunt,truthful , fearless , hardworking and what not so ? And I had plenty of examples to support that .But the most contradictory character i encounter about Eritreans is in the military and especially the commanders. Extremely submissive for higher authority,corrupt and abusive, stubborn and ruthless …oh ya ruthless on their fellow commrades.
            No , Gen 60, dont have the kind of qualities you prescribe for the youth.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Desbele,

            I see your valid point, but what if I ask you do you think the people you mentioned represent the whole ‘Gen 60′ who fought, died, sweated, bleed, land passed away selfless.

            What about those who fought in the exceptionally arduous armed struggle against the biggest army in the black Africa.. those who built an effective fighting machine both inside the enemy’s line as well as in ELF and EPLF

            What about those who were able to form a unique organisation that captured the imagination of practically and national unity, what about those who left Harvard and Oxford to join the struggle, what about the women who fought on on the principle of “Equal Participation for Equal Rights’, their exceptional contributions; the mothers who endured the sacrifice of their children, what about the Fedayeen who endured torture and squalor to protect the names of their comrades…all the men and women of selfless dedication.

            Do you put them in the same category with the few post-liberation mafia group who betrayed the country and the people?

            ርትዓዊ ቁጠዐኻ እርደኣኒ የግዳስ መልሶ ደኣ መልሶ ብሰንኪ እቶም ውሑዳት ንቑጻት ነቶም ብዙሓት ርሑሳት ከይተንድድ።

          • Desbele

            Selam Kibrom,
            Thank you for reading my rage.
            I attribute the success you stated to the people. Yes the organization led. But in its way it concocted many undesirable cultures. And one is extreme submissiveness. One is ready to face a Tank bare-hand and then acts a mice in water in front of an authority. It is in that respect that I say the Gen 60 cant be a role model of character to the youth.

          • Alex

            Hi Desbele,
            Try to be a little humble brother . You seem to have a little knowledge about the heroism of our old Generation that played a big role on the independence of the country . Based on you previos response you grow up in Ethiopia and served your country in 1998-2003. So you seen some thing from few of the people in power it does not mean all of them are like that. I may be younger than you, but in my national service I have seen some who were in power that were treating everybody fairly and with respect plus there are some that use their power to their advantage. So let’s stop blaming all for the fault of the few.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbrom,

            I wonder if we have a punctuated generational divide with in the Eritrean context as in (The Lost Generation—Product of World War I, The Greatest Generation— Product of World War II, Baby Boomers (1946-64), Generation X (1965-84), Generation Y (1985-mid-2000) and Millennials (Mid-2000 to present.) Every cut off in a generation seems to carry a specific characteristics albeit stigmatized. For instance, Tom Brokaw dubbed the generation of World War II “The Greatest Generation” for their patriotism and sense of selflessness. And Generation X is taken for a generation that had gone through a termoil. Again, I wonder if we can put the generational divide in Eritrea with in similar context even though understandably the comparison runs into limitations.

          • Selam Paulos,

            In my opinion, it is disheartening when we read some eritreans characterizing the present generation as if they are disillusioned and even cowards. They accuse them for running away instead of staying behind and fighting the regime, and secondly they throw away their guns instead of responding to those who shoot at them from behind. In both cases they will come out losers, because the regime has the power to surround them very easily and shoot them on the spot. To me cowards are those who chase them and have chosen to stay put in the predicament others are running away from.

            The regime in asmara is aware of certain facts. Unless it provokes ethiopia, it has nothing to fear from the south, the interest of regional arab powers is aligned with its survival and the world powers seem to have a different methodology to influence the region of the horn unlike in the 60s and 70s, (e.g the simultaneous arrival of americans and russians in addis few days ago), and finally the regime knows that the opposition can do nothing for the foreseeable future.

            The 1960s and 70s was the age when the two world powers fought proxy wars in africa through LFs, which means that there was always one of the two behind them, organizing and arming them. Today none of the two wants to touch LF even with a long stick.

            Now, their priority is to fight a conventional war in the broader middle east, by directly involving themselves to a certain extent. The russians are fighting on the side of al-bashir, the americans are with the kurds on the ground, those who played a pivotal role in fighting and defeating isis, and they are more or less moving out of iraq and afghanistan.

            The american are saying that they are there to stay put with the kurds for along time, and they have a plan to increase their number to 6K soldiers on the ground, and in addition, they are planning to train and arm 30K kurd fighters, the aim being to form a kurdish state out of iraq, syria and possibly turkey. Turkey invaded proactively part of syria with the danger to come into a head on collision with the americans.

            What i am trying to say is that our region, at least for the time being, is out of focus as much as the two powers are concerned, and the wish to replace one power with another does not exist. Therefore, it boils down to what eritreans can do themselves, mainly from inside of the country with some help from those who reside outside, in other words, what they could do to accelerate the crumbling of the system from inside to its own demise. Active resistance as the querro revolutionaries is one of the answers. But, is it possible to carry out such open resistance as in ethiopia, when the whole country is in darkness behind an iron curtain? In addition, who has the hearts and minds of eritreans, who will certainly be the ultimate winner? Does the opposition strive to win them to its side?

            Why do people who risk their lives to flee the country fall so easily into the lap of the regime soon after through its supporters in foreign lands? Not only politics, not only the wish for survival, it also calls for psychological explanation. What is the role played by the so call stockholm syndrome in this case? Of course, there is the absence of an organized opposition and its inherent weaknesses.

            Finally, eritreans should be more practical than theoretical. Feeling comfortable with past glories cannot help in solving present day predicaments. The age of dying for once religion has passed, at least in the christian world, and that of dying for country and ideology has also passed. This is the age of living and dying for individual interests. We should search for our demons and saints within this context. One should demand for participation from all and not only from the young generation. If they cannot trust the regime and they cannot trust the opposition, who then are they to turn to, and who are the role models they could follow? Their fathers made a grave mistake of trusting one man, today their children trust nobody. One should start from this and work hard to gain their hearts and minds.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            History in the contemporary world is moving into a unique and unprecedented direction. Out of the 196 nations only a handful are unstable or are engaged in an active war. More and more nations are opting and subscribing for Pacifism instead.

            Experts tell us that, one of the reasons for the intense need for self-preservation as in evading death by any means is the advancement in science and technology whereby the allur of a comfortable and longer lifespan is irresistible. The allure has defied borders as well when information super-highway pervaded other parts of the world. Everybody wants to have a piece of it including the youth in every part of the world including Eritrea. Why would the youth want to give up its life when the world has so much to offer? This line of thinking has become the mantle of the pull-factor exponents.

            If history is any indication, after Napoleon was defeated in 1815, there hadn’t been a major war in Europe for one hundred years till World War I was ignited by a young Serbian guy. The young were exited about war for they didn’t know any better. That kind of nostalgia for war is no more for the above stated reasons and the Eritrean youth is not an exception either.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Paulos,
            Glad to have you back. I missed you, man. The philosophy class has been in long recess. You have come with valid point to consider. Putting our problems in context of relevant experiences else where is necessary. It’s certain that the Eritrean generational equations should get proper appraisal before searching applicable socio-political frameworks for solidarity and mobilization for the cause.

          • Paulos

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Thank you. I missed you too kbur haw. Progress is a function of a generational change where social mobility is the competetive driving force. The danger within progress is the fact that, can a society progress in a strict Western sense by keeping its norms, culture and traditions intact. That seems to be at the heart of what the late Samuel Huntington dubbed “Clash of Civilisations.”

          • Thomas

            Hi Kbrom,

            I think you failed to compare apple to an apple. You are saying “What about those who were able to form a unique organisation that
            captured the imagination of practically and national unity, what about
            those who left Harvard and Oxford to join the struggle, what about the
            women who fought on on the principle of….. “. You forgot the youth those now fleeing the nation have celebrated the outcome of what G60 brought, the independence of the nation. The mission of the G60 was get riding an identified enemy and that is a foreign/invading/occupying army. So, all Eritreans in unison had to fight the known enemy. The youth celebrated the achievement of G60, again the independence but got confused sadden wars after the Eritrean independence and the creation of the PFDJ and the speedy emergence or the grouping of the mafias group. The mafias regime has been aligning anyone who questions their mafias work as a weyane/foreign agent or “terarot” group. The poor youth is confused by the yesterday so called “heroes” and today turned out to be the mafias or mas murderers. The only choice for confused yound is to escape the confused and divided G60. Where is the fault of the young/current generation then? Fight back with him, with the people whom you are telling us the heroes and all of that?

          • sara

            desbele
            sounds reminiscent to YG and sorcerers stone stories.

          • blink

            Dear Sara
            People like the above are under extreme pressure and you know how they act . Just watch the unionists disease . Paulos and Desbele are in an emergency room and it is expected to find them shivering. Not their fault really and let them say from the zaegol.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Dr sara

            For me it sounds that the old, that fulfilled its part of history is dying and the new that should continue the unfulfilled part of the fulfilled history is not born yet.Sorry for the ጥውይዋይ ዘረባ that is me!

          • Gudus

            salam ato kbrom
            the questions you raised yesterday are good. thank you
            while our people are suffering specially during and after the funeral of Aboy Haji Musa over thousand are arrested including children as young as 10 years old two, three from one family and are transferred to unknown jails
            but here we were busy with Ethiopian poletics Adiya Gedifa HatneA Tnafq koynu negeru thank you again for pulling the awate community back to the future
            as for your 4 whys the second was why is the people not upraising ?
            and again now you said are not born yet
            if we have to ask deqi akhriya with in the last five months what they did what do you think will say ?

          • Kbrom

            Salam Gudus, and nice to e – -introduce you.

            Yes I can not agree more with your comments, great points.

            Indeed the youth of Akriya has proven to be the pioneers and one of the few, if not first in its kind, to defy the orders of the shooters and throw stones on them. When the security forces tried to divert the route of the youth who were carrying the Jenaza they braved the shooting and broke the ‘wall of iron’ and marched to the mosque.

            I would call them the new epic of heroic, composed and, pious challengers of the brutal regime in Asmara. To answer your question, we can say it is a good beginning, but yet long way to go because it is not a one shot mission!

          • Gudus

            Salam Ato Kbrom
            xbuq hwnetawi leyla nkhulatna
            been an eye witness to all the akhriya events,movement or upraising except the funeral day i found you one of the few awatawyan very reasonable and respected person to engage in discussion
            you said that is a good beginning, indeed it is
            now what started has to continue until Eritreans liberated
            how do we continue will be my question
            i am a Muslim born and raised in 95% christian neighborhood live in asmara who has resident permit of other country where i am now.
            whose family members, nephews and cousins been arrested for attending the funeral of Aboy Haji Mussa
            why did i mention my religion
            Hanti Eid Beyna AytetaqiEn Eya Muslims Eritrean are saying it.
            what is going on with Christian Eritreans, when are they going to join or is it xegibom deqi halima xbuq geberom.
            how do we bring back the trust we had to each other.one thing everyone has to know that the akhriya and friends youth they made it clear on October 31, 2017 on the microphone of masjid Jamei the reason they upraise isn’t against our christian brothers but it is against the regime in Asmara and everyone one who was in shuq and surrounding area heard it. my neighbors confirmed it.
            now the upraising to continue how do we get the trust that is lost

            p.s SGJ i am one of those who pass your phone contact names test (SGJ test)

          • Kbrom

            Dear Gudus wedey or wedi wedey,

            Thank you for your compliment, though I have to tell you that every one in Awate Forum is very reasonable and respected in its own perspective. People might have difference, but trust me, the difference is only on the approach and means, otherwise the destination is the same i.e. to se a free people and a constitutional state.

            Now to the more important part of your message. We are proud of young people like you who made the Akriya events reality. The reason that PFDJ is responding with such a heavy hand proves how the regime is paranoid and disturbed by the public up rise.

            Dear Gudus you said ‘ Hanti Eid Beyna AytetaqiEn Eya Muslims Eritrean are saying it.what is going on with Christian Eritreans, when are they going to join..’. I believe this part of your message is implausible that should not be entertained at all, because simply it is based on a wrong hypothesis with no evidence. ‘Christian Eritreans” are victims of the regime and do not need to be invited ‘to join’ as they are not aliens who were standing idle and watching the events. They have been struggling, challenging and demonstrating against the regime for the last 20 + years. Bitweded, Haile Drue, Reverend Dr Kiflom etc to name few.

            We have to be careful not to fall into malicious traps of the PFDJ. The regime is spreading such Belabelew to instil loathe and distrust
            between the two religions. Reliable source confirmed that the PFDJ is assigning young girls who can speak arabic, to call to fellow Eritreans specially from the Saho, Blen, Tigre, pretending they are Jeberti and accusing the other people for not joining the Jeberti or being submissive with ‘Christians’. The same girls are also calling to the moslems and telling them you moslems did not do when our Patriarch, Jehova witness had been arrested now you are decrying etc. This poisonous smear campaign is being concerted by senior PFDJ officials and security personalities of PFDJ.

            I strongly urge all not to narrow the courageous message of the hero Hajji Mussa to limited nationality, rather we have to consider him and other heroes/heroine as national icons who are calling for the social justice, freedom, and rule of law for all Eritreans. We have to work together to turn the martyrdom of Hajji Mussa into the blessing of unity and not the curse of dissension; only if we do so we can fulfil Hajji Mussa’s call for justice.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kbrom; i think you are missing some facts why Eritrean youth are as they are. It is not the absence of role model, The great Eritrean Gedli is role modle to any one with a shred of functioning neurons. The problem is not only we failed to respect and acknowledge the value of the Gedli but we started insulting, degrading and absolutely trussing Gedli and its actors. Imagine i am a young Eritrean in Eritrea and i see to my right an older people in a wheelchair losing their legs and wasting their life for gedli and i see to my left someone coming to visit from diaspora with smart phones and with a few dollars to throw around. What do you think i am to sway to? I will everything i can to get out of the country to get my fair share. Why should i die and risk my life while the Gedli generation are thrown to a trash bin and insulted? The diaspora is destroying Eritrea and the Eritrean essence. The diaspora is encouraging their brothers and sisters to flee the country, they are the once who are faincing the death of the youth. I know many DENKORO Eritreans blame the timeless national service, but what else is the government got do? you have a country of 100 million breathing on your neck in a violation of the the legally ruling. The nation has to come first. I know many Eritreans in diaspora want the youth to fight the system while educating their kids to school and never to miss a meal. and their kids to come to visit while i am dead or on wheelchair! fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. the situation is very complicated. and the Diaspora is destroying Eritrea. It will change but not how the corrupted and soul less Diaspora. let’s call it what it is.

      • halafi me(n)gedi

        Hi kbrom, saay, other:

        [first, I’m not new here, lost my login cred, had to create new profile, don’t know how long i will hangout around here, hence the name….]

        Anyway, all reasons mentioned by you and other are reasonable contributing factors. Here is my 2 cents, it may sound overly simplistic, but I think it is real based on my experience and that of people around me.

        So, right after independence things were rosy and a lot of people were doing fine, but it was very clear that among civilians, people who have close relative abroad were clear winners by some margin (while those who seem to have sacrificed the most, again among civilians, were kind of left behind). I think this got into our mind.

        Then after the war with Ethiopian, that situation i just described became even more apparent. And it was further compounded by all the factors mentioned in this thread. Again it seems simple, but everyone of us was saying, ‘do i fight here and sacrifice dearly or find a way to go out and be a ‘winner’ once some other people fix the mess’. And it is clear what most (if not all the) people chose. Till that balance remains in favor of going out (despite the enormous risk), it is same-old , same-old.

        halafi

    • Ismail AA

      Selam dear Kbrom,

      You absolutely right this matter should be our constant preoccupation. Our life as people of a nation has in the past decades been haunted by the why questions without answers. We are a nation in disarray and confusion which is increasingly losing direction and succumbing to a kind of fate under circumstances in which the “abnormal [has become] normal as you have stated. In other words, suffering under absolutist despotism seems to have almost become an inevitable destiny whose end is relegated to providence – “ዘምጸኦ ፈጣሪ የልዕሎ”.

      We have so far failed to separate the national from sub-national and design a coherent national program that could enable us spell out our priorities and operate with in phased time frame. Failure in this regard has turned our nation in to one with many priorities and aspirations.

      In such conditions, thus, it may not be surprising that the youth have resorted to fleeing rather than staying and fighting, or for that matter the people have become helpless and staying for what the future would have in store for them. I am alluding here to our people inside the unfortunate homeland. Of course, there should be another approach and explanation in regard to our people who have been suffering in miserable of refugee camps in neighboring countries, some of them for almost half a century, and those scattered worldwide as diaspora Eritreans.

      I have followed the valuable inputs many well educated and sharp-minded fellow forumers have contributed on this crucial matter – each of course from own perspective. Much of what has been said is very much relevant if we were capable of distilling the ideas into rational do-able national program.

      Thus, instead of risking undue repetitions, let me scribble a few things by way of reminiscing my own experience as former youth and a still breathing elder man. I will begin try to share in cursory notes form how the youth of my time differed from the current youth.

      After the exit of the Italian colonialists and the British Military Administration, our people were as divided as our nation at the present is though the fault line of division was acutely similar. But these were not as confusing as they are now. The causes for disagreement were clear: independence or union with Ethiopia. Each side knew had what the goal was and what needed to be done. In the initial phase especially they were not burdened by problems related to governance and distribution of resources on the national level.

      After the compromise formulate of federation came in force in 1952, the division took another form. The unionists on behalf of the Ethiopia wanted to do what they considered unfinished program of total annexation, while the large chunk of independence seekers wanted to preserve the rights (autonomy and liberal freedoms and governance under a constitution) that the unfair post WWII order and dominant powers had accorded. It’s at this juncture that the role of the politicians and youth of the time has to be appraised vis-a-vis our youth of the present.

      Those who wanted to defend the autonomy and everything it had entailed believed in the cause and what it required. They knew that the struggle needed sacrifices in blood and sweat. This idea was narrated in every household that there was a cause worth sacrificing for. Thus, the youth came armed with the idea from inside their homes before they met agitators and clandestine activists in schools and public spots like tea shops and tailor houses. I for one, I do not remember a time someone had sat with me under a shade or house corner to tell me about the cause Eritrea was struggling for. The day the Eritrean flag was de-hoisted, I just joined a school children demonstration, and my parents did not ask me to attend my studies and not participate in activities. That is why Eritrean urban centers had witnessed many demonstrations from 1958 to late 60s. Even later on when the armed struggle started, students never gave up expressing their views for their cause. The demonstrations in Bahr Dar Technical Institute and former Haile Selassie University in 1967 were telling examples. Those in Addis Ababa demanded to return back to their country (ንሃገርና ምለሱና) which fell on the mind of the authorities as thunderbolt. Many of the students were jailed for a whole summer doing hard work of combining hay, clay and animal waste for build the rooms in the premises of the jail.

      To cut these rather extended remarks, thus, the youth of today do not have homes and schools that can instill well rounded cause. I mean the society is in disarray and confusion without a clear-cut cause. It is fair to understand the plight of our youth at the present. The elite has shoulder responsibility and put acts together to define clearly in a unifying program of action and draw lines where the national purpose ends and where the subnational one starts. Here, a mistake the opposition groups have been making in the past decades should be avoided. Under the current fragile and divided conditions seeking consensus has proven futile. Focus must be directed to creation of genuine program around which the youth and others can rally and constitute a vanguard of change. Consensus will by necessity be built around it as long as the cause and the program of action is genuinely national in purpose and intent and target the removal of the dictatorship. I believe if the ELM and later ELF had waited for consensus to start the struggle, there would not have had any chance. A few start a revolution and the many follow later depending on the clarity of cause and vision.
      Sorry for the long heteta.

  • blink

    Dear all
    Are you guys still debating about the show like kind of Stev Harvey show ? I mean come on , why all this game of small kids back and forth . We know the Stev Harvey show goers laugh at any thing Stev says . Over the years many people were accusing me of hating Stev Harvey Ask Stev show . I find the audience idiots and just clapping happy addicted , despite Stev horrible jocks still they tuned to it and I am relating all EPRDF fun’s on the same standards I use over Stev. Please look at Stev and tell us if you ever find similarities between your EPRDF and Stev. Most of the time EPRDF supporters are all TPLF once , just like the few we have here .

    • Peace!

      Hi Blink,

      Not a fan of that guy, his attitude on slavery is even nauseating. Hey, check this interesting article on Ethiopia and the region in general.

      https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/civil-strife-in-ethiopia-has-the-potential-to-destabilise-the-whole-region-15788

      Peace!

      • blink

        Dear Peace
        Thanks man , I feel good you are not fan of this Senan Steve ,can I ask you about the article you posted , did you know this guy ? I mean the writer in the Turkish website that you posted , He has many Eritrean friends but to tell you I liked his views long time ago when it comes to Somalia, The guy is nice and a very good Somalian who has been speaking the truth all about Corruption and also his opposition to the Ethiopianization of Somalia, he opposed the USA policy in Somalia, I was reading his article in euroasiareview . not sure if his Eritreans friends influences his views on Eritrea. It seems he has a point for the time being , my problem with his view is that he never said any negative about PFDJ , I still wonder why he didn’t . Any chance that you could say more . One Eritrean lady and her husband that work for PFDJ in the UN representativ in New York has a picture with him , Is it fair that I can accuse him of some biased views??? Just from the sky … you know ,

        • Peace!

          Hi Blink,

          I have been reading his relevant rather logically realistic articles about the region for quiet sometime. I don’t know much about his attitude toward PFDJ, but his geopolitical view has been consistently compelling; besides, it is up to us Eritreans to stand up against PFDJ.

          Peace

  • Kbrom

    ጋሽ ኢዮብ ጋሽ ኣምደ እና ሌሎች የተከበሩ የኣዋተ ምክርቤት ኣፈጉባኤዎች

    This is the rough and quick translation of what Aboy Sbhat said to BBC Tigrigna.
    (Please read with red highlighter because what the king maker says matters a lot – it is not just an interview).

    On the current crisis.

    The root cause of the current crisis is that because the constitutional right of the people was not respected. Peoples right to be the owners of their affairs was not valued.

    People are the owners of their fate; the foundation of democracy is people. People should have been empowered.

    However, since this was not the case, it created tremendous dissatisfaction among the people. True, some undemocratic forces here and there are trying to exploit these dissatisfactions.

    On state of Emergency

    Declaring state of emergency was the right decision, in fact it came too late; to begin with, it was wrong to lift the previous state of emergency.

    The leadership of EPRDF is the one to be held responsible and accountable for what happened.

    Aboy Sbhat praised the executive committee of southern Ethiopian People’s Democratic Movement for requesting PMHD to resign from his post. The Southern Ethiopian People’s Democratic Movement implemented the mission that it was given to by the executive office of the EPRDF. The way the SEPDM discharged its responsibility is a good lesson to all of us

    On next PM

    The council will elect the chairperson. EPRDF is one organisation and it will form only one government. whilst this is the reality, those who shout ‘I should be the next PM’ should be rejected by the people.

    It is better to say ‘you should be the PM because you are better and more qualified than me’ not the vice versa. The latter kind of attitude should be killed, should be mowed ኪኩርኮም ዘለዎ ኣተሓሳስባ ኢዩ ኪቅተል ዘለዎ ኣተሓሳስባ ኢዩ. Having such kind of attitude from any organisation – whether TPLF or other organisations – is an insult to the people that they claim to represent.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Kbrom,

      This is appreciation worthy effort. thank you so much. What the Aboy said can provide clues to how things operate and get settled in the corridors of power of the ruling coalition. Though his “ስጋይ ስጋካ” approach seem on the surface conservative thinking of an elder when considered with in the context of narrowly competitive calculation of stakes, the message it carries can be significant in how the TPLF is going to play its cards. He seems to rule out ethnic factor in who the next prime minister would be. His repetition of the people and their right is interesting though he didn’t spell out how that is going to play out in the framework of the EPRDF. Anticipating what the next few days shall produce is exciting.

      • Kaddis

        Selam Kebrom,

        Well done. I heard him saying similar stuff on BBC Amharic. He also hoped and kind of sure the contenders are not promoting themselves or worse claiming it’s their time. I felt from his tone he is not getting first hand info as presumed; let alone a king maker. He is reinforcing the party’s quasi bloggers message that populist push will not make you PM but convincing the comittees … parroting revolutionary democracy.
        In a way the ruling party succeeded in keeping the next pm anybodies guess

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Kaddis,

          I tend to concur with your point that the influence of the Aboy might not after all be as it had been during the heydays of TPLF power. The political circumstances have already transformed to levels that have rendered the current checks and balance of power inside the coalition may not be sufficient to determine who among the partners gets what.

          Moreover, the social and economic set up has substantially changed to open the space for patronization free democratic process that should allow reasonable participation of the stakeholders and their constituencies. What ever assets of political influence (security and defense apparatuses) each of the coalition partners my claim to control, the old way of doing business might have become cumbersome and obsolete.

          The TPLF and its partners would do better service to their history and role in the past decades if they would smoothly vacate the space of the next phase of democratization and let the vibrant and aspiring emergent vital forces to take center stage and pursue their role of state and nation building role. Members of the old guard such the Aboy seem to have been left with the elderly blessing and gracing role if they want to take their fair share in their country’s annals of history.

    • Selam Kibrom,

      What he saying is so utopian, and equivalent to accepting that the eprdf is a perfect and idealistic organization. One cannot ask from others what he has not practiced himself and did not educate others over a quarter century when he was in power. The language of killing and mowing, even if it is about attitude, shows the person’s character and modus operandi.

      It seems that these people have lost sight of the real problem ethiopia faces, because they are power-addicted. I really doubt that there are outstanding personalities in the eprdf who shine out, and when ethiopians are told by people who brought ethnic politics to the country in the first place that there should not be partisan ethnic politics, no one can believe them.

  • blink

    Dear all

    The leadership in Ethiopia are hoping like a horrible driver trying to out done the traffic light as the past 27 years , sadly to their disappointment Ethiopians are all like police traffic on their duty and now all people like Debretsion , Aby and others are saying, hi we are not crossing the road while on Red and the Ethiopian people are saying, we saw you we aren’t blind .The conversation is going like this :

    Ethiopia people:- why are you crossing the Red light? Didn’t you see?
    EPRDF, We , shocked?? !!!
    Ethiopian people:- Yes
    EPRDF, we did not see you !!
    Ethiopian people, ahmmm , her is the revocation of your license.

    People like aby are saying , hi look , look , pls I have news for you , you will love this ,water can cure this and that , believe us , Ethiopia only needs EPRDF.

    Looking at Ambo , I think aby will find it hard to get packaging .Say whatever you wanted to say but still Aby is a very manipulative guy looking to get a name by dancing over Qero guys while getting approval from TPLF security apparatuses.

  • Hope

    A wish for a New Ethiopia
    “* Fundamental change
    * Constitution drafting with the people’s participation
    * Economic freedom and wealth sharing
    * People organisation and equal say
    * Accountability and justice
    * Military restructuring and power balance
    * Current party is one party system- therefore, make room for formed and to be formed parties..likes attract likes..

    New Ethiopia shall

    * Establish investigating committee for crimes committed against the people.
    * Form compensation committee
    * Free prisoners still in custody and compensate the wrongly imprisoned..
    * Investigate abuses committed by personnel in uniform, including torture, rape, disfigurement and dismemberment.
    * Figureheads involved in illegal and illicit commerce of all type, be charged under the new court of law to be established.
    * Epdrf and the Tigrayan People’s Libration Front committed genocide against the Anuak, Amara, Afar, Ogaden, Oromo and others is guilty as charged.”
    Courtesy of Forto Sawa..
    Source:.TN.
    CC: PIA

  • iSem

    Hi All:
    Today is March 8, Women’s Day. Let us stand with our sisters and mothers and women friends at this especially hard times in our country. And despite their heroic sacrifices, Eritrean women are going through untold suffering that manifest in different forms. It did not have to be this.
    Our neighbour, Ethiopia is debating about who will be the next prime minister, I wish them luck and peaceful transition in their own challenges.
    Eritrean women are special, many want to only pigeon hole them in the 30% participation, but they are unique in many aspect and we have to make them feel that way in this special day that they have been celebrating for decades now.
    I think we should establish Eritrean Women Day and establish a museum in their name, a place that indelibly enshrines their scarifies, their struggles and their impeachable history

    • blink

      Dear Isem
      Well said sir , I always feel that if there is any one that has to complain or get happy about Eritrea at any time , I think it is Eritrean woman . Eritrean women are like no other . People who watched Eritrean women fight to an army equipped to his teeth should always connect Eritrea to their womb . Eritrean woman the fire tested creature that passed any test given by abusers.

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam iSem

      Thank you for remembering, admiring and honoring the outstanding courage and accomplishments of our Eritrean heroins. Having said that…….

      ‘ታይ ኣምጸኦ ኣብ በዓል ደቀንስትዮ ኤርትራ (ዓለም) ማለት ኣብቲ ዉራይና – ‘ቲ “Our neighbour, Ethiopia is debating about who will be the next prime minister, I wish them luck and peaceful transition in their own challenges.”

      Nobody will ever take your love for Woyane. But please, please……. save your love of Woyane for anther day.

      Anyway, I hate to break it to you but there is no meaningful transition process in Ethiopia, and there will never, ever be meaningful transition process in Ethiopia under Woyane. And you can take that to the bank.

      Semere Tesfai

      • Thomas

        Selam Semere Tesfai,

        Thank you for letting us know on your wishes for the Ethiopian/weyane people. Hate eats haters. What do you really know, Mr. Tesfai?

        “Some ideas work much better than others, but nobody really knows which ideas work until you try them.”

        and

        “The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal”

        Your PFDJ/DIA who kills others to survive can never equal the weyanes. The weyanes have brought up tangible changes in Ethiopia. What does your masters done for the Eritrean people?

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Thomas

          “Some ideas work much better than others, but nobody really knows which ideas work until you try them.” and “The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal”

          That’s exactly my point. There is no new idea or new system of government on the horizon – just old faces with old recycled ideas.

          Do you think Ethiopians are on the streets to keep/maintain the status quo?

          Semere Tesfai

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Semere Tesfai,

            What about you and us in general? ( I mean Eritreans, you and me)

            Aren’t we in recycling situation? What new do you have, any thing please? Now, why are we talking about Ethiopian crises here under such article? isn’t better to see where to talk about current development of our Ethiopian people?

            KS,,

          • Thomas

            Selam Semere T,

            My question is do you know whether their ideas have worked or not? I mean were you working with the wayenes or do you have access to their work to reach such conclusions? How do you know if the people protesting are not doing so because they want to see some of their own in power/just for being represented in power? How about the even seen hostorical double digit growth that the country have seen during the ruling party? How do you know if all documented and recorded (about the growth – ethiopia being one of the fastest growing nation) by the world bank is truth? Do you have any ideas about all of these?

      • Lamek

        Semere Tesfai, Ethio’s problem is not Woyane as you put it. The country has over 100 million people with completely different aspirations. Like, you know, the Oromo want Oromia, and the Amhara want a united Ethiopia, the Southern people want to go about their nomadic lives with no central government and the Afars want to unite with their brethern in Djibouti and Denkalia. Ethiopia has an inherent problem. Woyane never created it and they can never solve it, nobody can for that matter.

        Happy women’s day. Woyane’s day was just a few weeks ago so perhaps isem is getting mixed up on those two.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Lamek

          AS they say “you reap what you sow”. For the past three decades, the Woyanes have been manufacturing, producing, marketing, and selling ethnic and regional politics. Now they have people with that mindset. No nationalists. Only ethnic bosses.

          Now tell me: If Tigrean Ethnic Bosses are not good for Ethiopia, why would Oromo/Amara Ethnic Bosses be?

          Democracies and positive changes are all about competing ideas wrapped with nationalism, not competing ethnics who divert national resources to their ethnic constituencies.

          And in Woyane’s Ethiopia, ethnic bosses and ethnic competition is all you got. vNow, go figure!!

          Semere Tesfai

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Lamek,

          Ethiopians will solve their problems..by any means what ever..
          I am certain and sure they will survive this era..

          KS,,

        • iSem

          Hi Lamek;
          Welcome back. Speak of the devil, I was thinking about you as I stole your phrase: Eritrean women are special.
          No, am not confused of Woyane day, remember I am from Dedebit;-)
          One correction: Woyane solved the problem for 27years. Also you must be happy of the discussion by mem G about looking North

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam iSem

            “You must be happy of the discussion by mem G about looking North”

            In all honesty, I haven’t read/listen “mem G”. If “mem G” is from our Southern Kin looking for love and Unity from his/her Northern kin, I’m not into that kind business now – first thing comes first.

            Today I’m only interested in finding a working governing formula, which makes the very opinionated and at times controversial Eritreans – feel at home – you know the likes of Semere Tesfai and Ali Salim. That’s all.

            Semere Tesfai

          • iSem

            Hi Semere:
            I know that, it was for Lamek, I know u would not be happy about him. If you are interested, I am agnostic about if:-)

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Lamek

          “Semere Tesfai, Ethio’s problem is not Woyane as you put it. The country has over 100 million people with completely different aspirations…….. Woyane never created it and they can never solve it, nobody can for that matter. These aspirations were there before Woyane took power.”

          Well…………… Public Info:
          “Ethiopia Demographics Profile 2018
          Population 105,350,020

          Age structure
          0-14 years: 43.47% (male 22,963,502/female 22,826,957)
          15-24 years: 20.11% (male 10,516,591/female 10,669,695)
          25-54 years: 29.58% (male 15,464,171/female 15,702,104)
          55-64 years: 3.91% (male 1,998,711/female 2,115,210)
          65 years and over: 2.94% (male 1,391,339/female 1,701,740) (2017 est.)

          1. – Woyane came to the helm of power twenty seven years ago.

          2. – Today, as you can see, almost 75% of the Ethiopians who are demonstrating on the streets of Ethiopia are under the age of thirty five.

          3. – Meaning were eight years or younger when the Woyanes came to the helm. Meaning all these young Ethiopians were raised, schooled (educated), nurtured, and their political outlook molded and shaped by ethnic and regional identity and, by ethnic and regional politics.

          Now explain to me how your – “Woyane never created the current ethnic polarization in Ethiopia and they can never solve it” argument, square with the facts that existed for over a quarter of a century on the ground.

          Semere Tesfai

      • iSem

        Hi Semere:
        slementay ybil lebam:
        Ok, Eritreann women do not have the luxury to debate their new PM, they will instead debate and or mourn or celebrate if their child made is in piece when he crosses the sea or the desert that was the massage
        “WHEN WE CELEBRATE ERITREAN WOMEN, WE CELEBRATE ERITREAN WOMEN. PERIOD. NO IFS NO BUTS!!!”
        No, Eritrean women and women in general are multitasking so, go figure
        I am sorry for scratching ur hassasiya:-)

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam iSem

          You know Mokhsi, in life, there are winners, and there are agents of change. The difference: one has a bright idea/vision that change societies for the better, the other just lives in destitute or prostitutes for a living. I’m sure you’re the former.

          Now tell me:
          A. – If the Trumps of the West have their way and there is zero migration from Eritrea – would you support PFDJ regime? Why/why not?

          B. – If the Trumps of the West encouraged and accepted hundreds of Eritreans each year to come to the Western world, and you and your brand of politics was running/empowered in Eritrea, how would you stop the exodus of our young?

          If you can give me a convincing answer, I promise to pledge my allegiance to you and to your opposition organization.

          The point: exodus of the young is a phenomenon/political tool that is designed and operated (as needed) by Western powers to fine-tune their policy. And as such, it has shelf-life of its own.

          Semere Tesfai

          • iSem

            Hi Semere:
            Your questions are so easy. But nice try, I gave you questions, answer them first please. you moved the post

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem,

            That Semere T guy run away like a rat fleeing to get to its hole or hiding place:) I think he will regret trying………….:)

          • iSem

            Hi Thomas;
            How did the meeting with woldeab go, update please:-)
            We are trying our best to tell the truth.
            Tell me Thomas, if PFDJ release the political prisoners today will u admit it did?:)
            Semere change the post of discussions, good luck convincing him, he asked me to give him a convincing answer

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem,

            About the woldeab story unless he is someone from the retirees, no Eritrean citizen living in Columbus can locate him. I know he would not provide his phone number to me because who knows he could be a very old person or a women/using her last name. Anyways, I had no plan to tour the restaurants in Columbus, but I did to ask about this woldeab guy and no one here knows him. But, I am talking some Woldeab from the new blood or don’t expect me to try to find this guy within the Orthodox Church/inda mariam here in Columbus:) In my entire life, I can count to may be 8 days i went to Church. That was even for the christening of the immediate family member:) This Woldeab guy sounds old, It looks like he might be making peace with God. He is a liar, he should:)

            About this Semere T guy, worst thing he does is he believes himself.

          • Hope

            iSem:
            Semere Tesfay answered your questions as above and by being indifferent to your other questions.
            He doesn’t need to answer your questions as you already know the answers.
            But do U agree with his answers or NOT is the other legit question?

          • Thomas

            Hi Semere Tesfai,

            I don’t know if it is your dementia that is hurting you or you intentional ignoring accessible facts surfacing, you keep forgetting something about the Eritrea Youth mass migration. Think a bit harder, Semere Think. I swear to cow, I will not bomb you with the facts repeatedly presented to you?
            HINT: indefinite national slavery; the unlawful imprisonment of citizens indefinitely and deprivation of almost all rights including to owning your own body/soul…………… Have you ever heard about oppression and the freaking controlling humans by fear not by law?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Thomas

            Now we’re making a progress. You and I agree:

            A. – The cause for Eritrea’s exodus = National Service.

            B. – The cause for National Service = Western Regime change policy – exactly like libya, syria, Iraq, South Sudan…….. Financed, armed, directed…… by the West – outsourced to your lovely Woyane.

            C. – Regime change to empower who = the good for nothing, the Woyane messengers Eritrean opposition, and their Woyane carbon copy politics of ethnic, religious, regional politics. Lovely!!

            Now, let me ask you a question: for the past half a century, Cubans were free to come to the USA, no question asked. Now they are not – or will not. What changed except US policy? That is the classic example of, shelf-life of mass exodus to Israel or to the West.

            Semere Tesfai

        • Nitricc

          Semere your dumbness is amazing. Your thinking like a child in a fourth grad. We are talking about a country whose population is over 100 million people and you are arguing about Mekele being better that others? Tigryan confidence have been better? How about I help you and think like grownups.

          ” According to Fund for Peace, “Failed state or fragile state means that the central government is weak, ineffective and has little control over its territories.“ All the major indicators show that Ethiopia has consistently been one of the most fragile states (failed states) in the world. All other indexes including the United nations (UNCTAD) and Business Insider rank Ethiopia one of the 15th poorest countries on earth. The UNDP human development index still ranks Ethiopia 173rd of the 186 in the latest human development index. Over 77 % of the people live below the poverty line and over 44% live in less than 2 dollars a day with a 30% illiteracy rate. Unemployment in the cities is as high as 80% and 38 % of children are underweight. It has experienced severe political instability for several years now and the government has lost control of its people. It has one of the largest number of political prisoners in Africa and it has the largest number of journalists in person in the world next to Iran. It is the most censored country in Africa. In internet use Ethiopia is one of the four least users in the world”
          Do you know how you stupid your argument is and how dumb you are.

          • iSem

            Nitricc
            And can u tell me how is Eri doing. compared to Ethio in the same cathogory
            How many refugee camps Eri has for ethioipians or is it paying for them to stay in the 5 star hotel and while u are learning how to research, how does this compare to where ethiopia was in 1991
            Now do not go over your head thanks Saleh Gad for allowing u and giving you the opportunity to discuss with ppl like me here,a priivilege this forum is keeping u out of trouble.
            How many universities did ethi/tray had before 1991 and how many eri are in their universities? If u want time critical thinker you cannot pick and choose
            Ethiopia beats your PFDJ in everything except in the number of its people whose organs are trafficked
            you have peaked in increasing the number of the brain cells even if with transplant, from now it is all downhill

          • Nitricc

            Semere; i know you don’t have the discipline to learn and to think but i beg you to google this and listen to this and tell me the people of tigray are well of. I can’t post the link but google it and learn to listen to the real people and their real problem. it is fresh.
            google this…….መናእሰይ ተጋሩ አብ ሎንዶን ህዝባዊ ዋዕላ!!!

  • Kbrom

    8 መጋቢት ቅድሚ ጸሓይ ብራቕ
    3፡00 ወጋሕታ ንኽብሪ ኣዴታት

    ‘ንኽብርኺ ኣደ

    ውላድኪ ብዓፋኝ፡ ብስልኪ ምስተሓንቐ፡
    ሰብኣዊ ክብረትኪ ብገዛእቲ ምስተቐንጠጠ
    ንብዓትኪ ብዘይሙቁራጽ መዓልታዊ ምስወሓዘ
    ጎርዞ ጓልኪ ክብረታ ብግዕዘያት ምስተመረዘ
    ብዘይናጽነት ክብረት ከምዘየለ
    ልብኺ ኣእሚንኪ፡ ንኻልኦት ኣርዒምኪ
    መቐነት ኣሲርኪ፡ ሰብኡት ስረ ኣዕጢቕኪ
    መሪሕኪ ንበረኻ ወፊርኪ።

    ኮነ ድማ ኣግኢዝኪ
    ጡጥን መርፍእን ኣላጊብኪ
    ወርሕን ጸሓይን ኮንኪ
    ነቲ ጸላም ቀንጢጥክዮ
    ነቲ ናጽነት ኣዊጅክዮ።

    የግዳስ እቶም ጁጅ ማጁጅ ዝመጻኺ ሓንጊርክዮም
    ኣብ ስልጣን ሕድሪ ምስኣንበርክዮም
    ነቲ እምነት ብዙፋን ስልጣን ተኪኦም
    ነቲ ሕድሪ ናብ ህርፋን ሹመት ገምጢሎም
    ከምታ ናይ ዓፋኝ ውላድኪ ሓኒቖም
    ከምታ ናይ ገዛእቲ ጓልኪ ዓሚጾም
    ክብረትኪ ቀንጢጦም
    ደቅኺ ኣሕቂቖሞም

    ንስኺ ግን ኣቲ ከኣሊት
    ንስኺ ግን ኣንቲ ጸዋሪት
    ይትረፍ ነዞም ባዕልኪ ዝፈጠርክዮም
    ስረ ኣዕጢቕኺ ሰብ ዝገበርክዮም
    ይትረፍ ነዞም ከም ጥሜት ከብድኺ ትፈልጥዮም
    ኣብ መንኩብኪ ሰቒልኪ ዘንዋሕክዮም
    ትማሊ እኳ ገጢምኪ ነቶም ሓያላት
    ኣብ ብርክኺ ኣስጊድኪ ነቶም ምኩሓት

    ስለዚ! ሎሚ እውን
    ግዜ ተነወሐ ብዱዕ እንተተመከሐ
    መወዳእትኡስ ነይተርፍ ዚጸልማት ከይወግሐ
    እቲ ብርጡጥ ኣብ ብርክኺ ክሰግድ
    እቲ ዓማጺ ብሓይልኺ ክውገድ
    ሙኻኑ የለን ቅንጣብ ዘጠራጥር
    ብዘይብኣኺ ኣደ መንዩ’ሞ ኪኸብር
    ኣደ ውሉዳት …………. ኣደ ሃገር!

    • Peace!

      Hi ክብሮማይ

      ኣዳቶ, ከማኻ ይብዝሑ!

      Peace!

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selamat Mahmuday,

    “ETHIOPIA can produce better standing people other than those two dudes.”

    This is a good example that shows a major flaw in the current system.

    Most Ethiopians probably agree that electing an Oromo PM is necessary, but we are trapped in having to choose from the grand pool of only one Oromo!

    • MS

      Selam FantiG
      I agree, and that is I think because of the way EPRDF is set where you have to jostle for the premiership of the front and then proceed for the country’s PM. This system works smoothly if it is from a single political party where there is a coherence of ideological and agenda priority of the party answering to the demands of a given constituency. However, EPRDF may be in agreement at the top thanks to years of intra-party dynamics, but the demands and priorities of the constituencies each component represents may differ. For instance, there may exist comradeship, friendship, interpersonal relations, cross-party influences etc., among the top cadre of TPLF, ANDM, OPDO, and SEPDM- let’s be honest, they are students of MZ. However, their constituencies, the Amara people, Tigray, Oromo, and Southern peoples and nationalities may have competing interests or may feel the current political arrangements put them at odds, or may totally lose mutual trust, where in this case, TPLF is equated to the poor, patriotic and innocent people of Tigray. So, for instance, EPRDF choice could be Dr. Debretsion, but how if the Oromos and other nationalities consider him to be the continuation of the status quo. I think Ethiopians are looking for someone who breaks with the past. So, I think, for the sake of peace, TPLF should watch its bottom line and let others lead. Intuitively, I would think the next PM should come from Oromo for the sake of justice, history, and political stability. However, you have the others such as the Somali region which is threatening to break away if an Oromo comes to power. There is also the lukewarm feeling of the Amara leadership which could go either way- TPLF or OPDO- Southern peoples have, I think a good chance of challenging the Oromos.
      The discussing of Ethiopian affairs does not have anything to do with ill-wishes as some are trying to characterize it. Ethiopia is an important, perhaps the most important neighbor we have. What goes inside it influences us greatly. It is literally the difference between war and peace. My wish is that some dude with well-developed balls will come and make an end to the stalemate of the border between the two brotherly countries so that we can focus on issues of domestic and cross-border developments. This is the only issue I have had with MZ and with the current PM. This was the single most important I thought I would have mature conversations on when I joined this forum. In the end, I admire the people of Ethiopia and their opposition leaders who braved bullets and imprisonment. They have brought EPRDF to its senses. I remember when I was discussing similar scenario with HaileTG, I was insisting we should pause and understand why we had the “silent majority”, that it could be because of wrong strategies the Eritrean opposition organizations and their leaders pursued; that if the right strategies and tone applied where the efforts of the opposition reflected the Eritrean peoples’ desires/demands/expectation, one can create a popular uprising that can bring PFDJ to its knees. This will require that the opposition re-assess its positions and aspirations.
      Unlike our case, the Ethiopian people have produced alternative leaders. And they seem to have coalesced on establishing a truly transitional government that reflects the true aspirations of the stakeholders on equal footing. I don’t think anyone perceived to be closely related to TPLF could convince the demonstrators.
      Sorry, I took you in a detour, but I wanted to address several relevant points.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Mahmuday,

        The pleasure is all mine. I love detours and scenic routes!

  • iSem

    Hi MS and Hayat:
    Well, but according to the delegate count that HA told Kbrom, how can the Oromo elect a prime minster without replacing Dr AA as their leader. Also even if an Ormo is elected as PM, would he answer some of the challenges of the uprising, if he is just a figure. I think they could get away with any pm if they manage to solve the corruption and economics, they stayed to long in the ethnic federalism, that was an answer to the domination of Amhara culture and now it has become anachronism, but 27 years later with corruption and the Oromo rightly wanting more real power and TPLF aging, the challenge is huge
    But the Ethiopians have elections to rig, meeting to go to, parliament to debate to paraphrase Sal
    Now , what is the implication to Eritrea, do you guys believe an Oromo PM or any new PM for that matter will have a new policy about Eritrea, does Ethio benefit from the stalemate and the policy state that is in Eri any more

  • saay7

    Hey MS:

    I think we all are looking at Dr Abiys little plagiarization problem with a Western eye as that practice doesn’t seem to be a problem in Eastern and Southern cultures. I mean: what’s the word for “plagiarism” in Amharic and Tigrinya? I doubt a word exists. I don’t know if they still do it but Hadas Ertra used to do it and I am sure if you think hard u can remember all your Ghedli era EPLF papers going it :). I think it’s called research and translate in that part of the world.

    If you notice, all the Ethios being considered for PM have National Security background which is probably an uprising against the technocratic wing of bookwormishness represented by PMHD.

    We discussed your bxay IA plagiarism issue with Kbrom earlier 🙂 IA not only plagiarizes but insists on telling the world the idea he stole his original wordsmithing “እየ ዝብሎ ኣነ” then buries what he plagiarized in a word salad and then tells you to find the answer there, and then later on tells you “as I have already explained before.” But first he must condescend to you and tell you that everybody else has answered the question he is being asked incorrectly OR the question being asked of him is not important because what’s more important is the one he is about to suggest in his word salad. መትከኽ ዪ

    Saay

    • iSem

      Hi Sal:
      yes you are right and there is a verse for it too
      ዎ ጃዓልና ክሉ ዕልሚን ምንክሉ ምሳድርን፡ መህማ ካና ሰርቀን፡ ሓታ ልም ይኩና እኽትራዑካ፡ እዛ ቁልተሁ ብሉሳንኩ ፍህዋ ሓላለለለለለን !!!!!

      • saay7

        Hahahaha iSem:

        😂😂😂😂😂😂

        Watch out all the humorless ones will come after you now. And wait. After me too for laughing. (Clearing throat): ሃይማኖት መላገፂ ኣይኮነን etc etc etc

        saay

        • iSem

          thanks Sal
          I was going to attribute it to IA but then said, let me take a risk, but you are right even those who know you better will get humorless on such things. A few weeks ago when I wrote a tegadalai love letter, I got gedli melagetsi aykonen in person

    • Selam saay,

      In my opinion, Dr. Abiy Ahmed is harassed, demeaned and demonized for a minor offense of plagiarism, as you said, by ignoring completely any success he might have achieved in his political life up to now. I believe that there are people who are scared of what he says and represents, a pole of resistance and unity against those who believed up to now that they could make and unmake ethiopia at will any time they wish.

      Here is an oromo politician speaking about ethiopia’s unity and her future prosperity, while groups like olf, who are hosted in eritrea, are known as a force of disintegration, whom some people have in mind of using them against ethiopia some say.

      They hate to swallow and digest his language of unity, rapprochement and formation of bond, especially with the amharas, and the creation of a strong front against any blackmailers of ethiopia’s unity. He could be one of the people who would bring a ground-breaking change in oromo opinion towards ethiopia, and this i think scares many.

      • saay7

        Horizon:

        Dont feel down: you should be proud that your country has entered the stage where there are competitive races. In competitive races, there is bound to be negative campaigning. I believe you live in the US and you are very familiar with it.

        The plagiarism will amount to nothing because, as I keep saying, that is not a huge taboo in our part of the world. There will be others. Consider this video: all TPLF has to do is translate it and send it to the Congressional Black Caucus of the US or to the African Union: he has a very right wing views of race relations in the US. Fast forward to the 11:00 mark:

        https://youtu.be/WCxqbFRYtWU

        saay

        • Selam saay,

          Thanks a lot. By the way, I live in europe.

          I do not think that what Dr. Abiy said about african-americans was meant in any way possible for racial discrimination, from an african against another african, and the product of his right wing views. On the contrary, i think that he wanted to send a message both to amharas and oromos, those who want to live forever with narratives of past injustices that may and may not have happened.

          This narratives should not block the way to the future. They cannot win the future by continuing to dwell in the past. That is what african-americans did and continue to do and have not achieved a lot, while the jews who could free themselves from past grudges have succeeded in all fields. Similarly, what amharas and oromos should do is to unchain themselves from past negative history, so that they could move together to a brighter future.

          Narratives like the crimes of menelik ii against oromos and other stories, have divided oromos and amharas for a long time, and the result has been negative up to now. They should leave them behind and move forward, i think, is the crucial message.

  • Desbele

    Hi Alex,
    I was under national slavery and participated in the war. Warsai is a victim of war game created by Isaias. I with my naked eyes saw a Warsai conscript whose Er ID states that it was issued in Badme-Ethiopia. Badme was under Ethiopia and the only means to resolve a border issue was through peaceful means. Imagine the lives of Eritreans could have been saved if Isaias listended to Beraki G and pulled out of Badme for the sake of peace. And dont think the war game will stop as Isaias would keep creating them. Djibouti, Ethio, Sudan, Yemen, Congo….will keep playing the war game using eritrean lives. It was a wrong war and Eritreans were defeated. How would you otherwise explain a TSZ 25km inside Eritrea in 2001 and no sun set in 1998. Accept the bitter truth. Work to stop the monster playing with your brothers lives.

  • Hayat Adem

    Alex,
    Understand this: Weyane was not marching to Asmara before 1998. 1998 Badime war came after your crazy master marched to Badime. We had a better Eritrea pretty 1998. Then we provoked a full scale war after crazy IA moved a mechanized brigade to Badime crushing the local police and Ethiopian administration in there. After two years of wars of our own making, and we lost 35k lives from our side alone, after we lost a 3rd of Eritrean territory to the advancing Ethiopian army, after IA was forced of defeat to agree to give 25,000 square kilometers of our land to a foreign force to run it… and we get the most ruined Eritrea, hellish to its people… and the so called Warsai runs in more numbers than who died defending to the very country Warsye was fighting against (50k soldiers have crossed to Ethiopia), from there to Sudan, from Sudan to Egypt Senait, from there to Israel, from Israel back to Uganda/Rwanda… while Eritrea has become a country where people like DiruE who led you during the war died in prison cells, people like Hajj Mussa at 94 jailed and died in there…??? Has Warsai did anything to defend its wuguat ayatatu when they were shot in broad daylight st MaiHabar? Did warsai protect the children, mothers abd our elders from the hands the monister? Did warsai even try to save itself from enslavement and mass exodus? Ask about what you did to yourself or to your country as Warsai generation to deserve to be proud of. If I were you, I would never utter the two words (Warsai and pride) together. Warsai is a disgrace! Keep your head down; hide yourself under the blanket of shame.

    • iSem

      Hi Hayat:
      But to be fare to the warsai, they were designed to fail, am not going to mention by who because our good friend Mahmud is not in a good mood today.
      You see, this debate takes us back to the era before independence, what is it name again, hint hint, it starts with G in our language. Not that G was wrong to be sparked but G was hijacked from the get go and the warsai cannot act against their DNA, but they do not mutate and thaat is easy to destroy them, many go back. But when the G generation was the age of warsai, they were inspired by foreign revolutionarires, irony, but they lacked the vision and they they could not even save themselves from themselves.
      I am haunted by the image of blind Dergue fumbling with his cup of tea and crawling because he could not walk. Derue is just an example, a prominent one. Oh the G were young idealist so was James Mornoe, oh, G came from feudal background, oh Jefferson came from monarchy, a tad better than feudalism. So the warsai were designed that way, but their smarmy arrogance pisses me off in real life, one relative told me, ane eko warsai eretrawi eye
      TPLF measures itself against TPLF, but point out to then that the founding fathers of TPLF maybe sidelined, dismissed even arrested, but no one died and got buried in unmarked grave, Not after 1991 and not in 1975, I love this line of mine because it drives even the mildest supports crazy.
      And Alex has reservation about PFDJ, a reservation:-)

    • blink

      Dear Hayat
      If Warsai is a disgrace and has to hide his head , how was your failed plan of bombing Asmara to remove the dictator going to work ? Who would you like to import from Tigray region ? Do you have enough adwanians to guard ?
      Wether you like it or not Your plan failed and here you are being able to fabricate a number of 35,000 , your sheikh must be a disappointing one because I believe you are born to create numbers, villages and so many things that don’t fly . Snaking in the grass is I guess a given character born with some people to play theatrical role of such kind. Warsai surprised weyane by rejecting to shot his brother.

  • Nitricc

    Hi Hope; you said ” Am afraid that he might declare war on us and the TPLF might use his ” charm” to unify the Oromos to be the same cannon fodders,God forbid!”
    I don’t think you are reading the situation correctly. those days are gone. Ethiopians are decided behind the usual uniter the case of Eritrea. even the tigryans are speaking out. listen to the clip if the Moda allows it because i am breaking the rules but if posted listen to it and you know what i am talking about.
    ” But why are the Giregna Amharas mute and quite when they are needed to voice badly?”
    You are right but there is a good reason for it. the reason TPLF survived this long and it might ride out all together is that there is deep mistreat between Amara and Oromo. that is the reason you see that when Oromo is hot the Amhara goes cold and when the Amara goes all out the Oromo goes in hiding. this is giving the Weyane some kind of life and staying in the game. The Oromos are worried the unknown factor if Amara comes to power and on the same token the Amara are worried if the Oromos are coming to power. Other ways, if the two trusted each other and come out in unison, TPLF if done in a few days. while the two biggest ethnics playing ticktacko; TPLF is working the Agazian State agenda as plan X. like i have said listen to this Tigryan man and i think he got a point while he is annoying. He sounds my good friend Semere Andom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUjcJ1EsifU

  • Nitricc

    Hey Alex; you must forgive Hayat on this one. I don’t think you understood what you Warsays did to the TPLF and Hayat’s plan. You destroy every plan of theirs. Don’t expect any truthful analyses or credits from Hayat or TPLF. I have read the story of Adi-BegiO but my favorite what you guys did at Egri-Mekel, you guys hit them so hard, the so-called Generals of TPLF cried for the three days. I am not making it up; read Tesfaye Gebrab’s book, Yesidetegnaw Mastawesha. If Warsay had allowed TPLF carry away with its plans. TPLF could have ruled Ethiopia for 100 years with no question asked.
    They could have established The Greater Republic of Tigray; including Assab.
    They could have made Eritrea as worst as Somalia.
    the lists goes on but you guys, Jeganu Warsay did it. You destroy Weyane. So, please understand where Hayat is coming. Her heart is broken by Warsay. take it easy on her.

  • Thomas

    Hi Alex or Alemayehu,

    I know your heart is filled with hate, but I would never expect you to spite that out to others. Stop smoking hate and fire the smoke out. I know you are a coward who is not ready to come to the field and fight a battle. To much hate will only eat you alive. Stop firing your hate out!!

  • Kbrom

    ሓደርኩም

    እቶም ኣብ ኤርትራ ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ምስ ተሓረሙ፡ ‘ናይ ምእካብ መሰልና ኣይተኸበረልናን’ ኢሎም፡ ካብቲ ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ዘየፍቅድ ስርዓት፡ ናብተን ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ዝህባ ሃገራት ብምስዳድ፡ ‘ናይ ምእካብ መሰልና ተነፊግና’ ኢሎም ዑቕባ ድሕሪ ምሕታት፡ በተን ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ዘፍቅዳ ሃገራት መንበሪ ፍቓድ ዝተዋህቡ ኤርትራውያን፡ ካብ ዝተፈላለያ ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ዘፍቅዳ ሃገራት ኤውሮጳ ተኣኻኺቦም፡ ናብታ ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ዘፍቀደትሎም ሆላንድ ከይዶም፡ ንሰላማዊ ሰልፊ ብምእካብ፡ ነቲ ናይ ምእካብ መሰሎም ዝነፈጎም ስርዓት ህግደፍ ንምጥባቕ፡ ኣብ ሆላንድ ብነጻ ንሰላማዊ ሰልፊ ተኣኪቦም፡ ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ኣስተምህሮ ክህቡ ይጓዓዙ ኣለዉ።

    ኮነ ያኢ! ይብሉ ነበሩ ኣቦታትና።

    The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.

    Steven Biko

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    • Amanuel Hidrat

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      • iSem

        Hi Emma:
        I felt the same, after reading it the only thing I remember is those who allow assembly and those who do not allow assembly.
        Repetition is a good technique that enhances emphasis and captivation but kbrom over dead it, the repeated phrases were like a weed that covers/hide the grass

    • Amanuel Hidrat

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    • Haile S.

      ሓደርካ ክብሮም፡
      ኤማ ጽሑፉ ስሒቡዎ ድኣ’ምበር፣ ኤማን ስመረን ሓቆም እዮም። ብጉያ ማራቶን 4 ኣከታቲልካ መልሲ፡ ትንፋስ ሓጺሩካ፡ ኣጻብዕካ ቛዕ ቛዕ ከይኣበልካ ዝጸሓፍካያ እያ ትመስል 🙂 🙂 :-)።
      ኤማ ‘ክርት ክርት’ ትግርኛ ድ’ዩ? ጉልድም ጉልድም ማለትካ ድ’ዩ ነይሩ?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        My message to brother Kibrom is, make your comment made out of simple sentences to find your core message. Conjugated sentences are not good for his readers.

      • Kbrom

        ሰላም

        ኣንታ ሓቕኹም ሸናኺርናዮ ነቲ ዘረባ ከም ጫፉ ዝጠፍአ ምራን! ዘረባን መሸላን ክሳድ ክሳዶም እንተበተኽካዮም ኢዩ እኳ ዝበሃል። ብልዕቲ ናይቲ ነገርሲ እቶም ናይ ምእካብ መሰል ንዘየፍቅድ ህግደፍ ዝድግፉስ ብዛዕባ መሰል ምእካብ ይወራዘዩ ኣለዉ ንምባል ኢዩ ነይሩ።

        ካብ ተላዕለስ፡ ክርት እተብሎ ንወሓዚ ማይ ኢዩ፡ ጉልድም እተብሎ ድማ ንዕጽቕ ዝበለ (ሻምብቆ ወዘተ) ንጥረ ነገር ኢዩ፡ ንዘረባስ (ረቂቕ ነገር) ብትኽ ኣብሎ ኢዩ ዘምሕር መስለኒ።

        ምስዮትኩም ይማዕርግ

        • iSem

          Hi Kbrom:
          ክርት for ንወሓዚ>? hsebelu
          ጉልድም,ብትኽ, ክርት is used for zereba too. But ክርት for water, first I hear

          • Kbrom

            መርሓባ ኣይሰም ዓቢ ሰብ

            ክርትም ንሓደ ነገር ክትቆርጾን ብዘይተረፍ ምሉእ ብምሉእ ክፈላለ ከሎን ኢዩ። ንኣብነት ባምያ ብኻራ ክርትም ተብሎ፡ ምራቕ ግን ክርትም ከተብሎ ኣይከኣልን። ምኽራት ግን ምዕጋት ከም ማለት ኢዩ ንኣብነት ጃርዲን እንከተስቲ ነቲ ማይ ከሪትካ ኣንፉ ትጠውዮ።ብትኽ ምባል ንማሕንቖ ዘለዎ ነገራት እሞ ድማ ብቕጸበት ምቁራጽ የጠቓልል፡ ክሳዱ በቲኽዋ፡ ሰንሰለት ካብ ኣፍልባ በቲኹ ወሲድዎ ወዘተ። ጉልድም እዋን ወሲዱ ምናልባት እውን ኣብ ሓደ ፈተነ ዘይኮነስ ኣብ ካልኣይ ሳልሳይ ፈተነ ዝብተኽ ኢዩ። ቃንጫ ሽኮር ጉልድም ኣብሎሞ ደጋጊምካ ምስፈተንካዮ ክትቆርጾ ይከኣል።

            ደጊም ኣኽዓየታት ሃይለን ኣማኑኤልን ንጸበ።

          • Haile S.

            Selam kbrom iSem, Emma and all,

            ኣነ እዛ ‘ክርት’ ትብል ቃል ኣይተዋሕጠትለይን። ዓንተቦ ንኤማ ትግርኛ ድያ ኢለ ምስ ሓተትክዎ፣ ሸፈፍ ኣቢሉ ሓሊፍዋ። ክብሮም ከኣ መሊሱ ምስ ደገማ፣ ኣነ ስለዘይፈለጥኩዋ እየ እምበር፡ ትግርኛ እያ ኢለ ኣስቅጥ ኣቢለ ውዒለ፡ ክሳዕ መዝገበ ቓላት ዝግንጽል። እምበኣርከስ ክርት ኣብ መዝገበ ቓላት የላን። ክትር እወ። ወሓዚ ይኽተር፡ መንገዲ ይኽተር፣ ሽፍታ ይኸትር።
            ን’ክርት’ ዝቐረበ ቃል ከርተፈ ወይ ምክርታፍ እዩ። ምቅርዳዳ ማለት እዩ።
            እዞም ክርት፡ ምኽራት፣ ከሪትካ ዝብሉ ቓላት ግና ምስ ክትር ምኽታር፡ ከቲርካ ዝብሉ ቓላት ናይ ፊደል ምልውዋጥ ዘምጽኦ ጸገም ኮይኑ ይስምዓኒ።
            ጥዑም ለይቲ

          • iSem

            Hi Haile S:
            kret and kter are two different words. But am confident kret is used to cut plant, the Anseba ppl say neti gereb kreto, krit kirt ( nit ktero)
            I do not believe kret is used in Emma’s neck of wood,I suspect that he picked it up when he was in the ELF
            I think kbrom is wrong, kret is not kter, but it maybe regional use
            Emma was correct to use neti zerba kret kret ablo, kbrom was also correct in the rest, but he was wrong, i believe when he used net river kreto
            But dictionary would nto help you. Good luck finding “mesentso” and “shshig” in the dictioanry, if u find these to, please auction it and I will bid everyone

          • Haile S.

            Selam iSem,
            Yes, I realize that due to regional variation or adoptions or what have you, language develops and expands and sporadically printed dictionaries alone will not be able to capture all variations and new words. Your መሰንጾ and ሽሺግ appear to be argots (secret words between individuals) that became ordinary words. ሽሺግ sounds like the amharic ሸሽገ or ምሕባእ in tigrigna and it appears in ተክአ ተስፋይ’s dictionary with the same meaning. There is a need for Tigrigna thesaurus, and I believe you with your knowledge of tigrigna and some other eritrean languages would be one of the valuable contributors.
            Best

          • Kbrom

            Dear Haile ,Isem and Emma

            I have a strong reservation on hundreds of entries of ተክአ ተስፋይ’s dictionary. one of, may be the chief, weakness of the dictionary is, it is prepared by a single person who does not know other Eritrean language than Tigrigna (ውሱን ከባቢ) and Amharic and English plus not perfect Italian.

            The great linguistic Amanuel Sahle claims that the dictionary was initiated during the Mengistu era by several people including himself, that certain progress was done but was hijacked by ተክአ (the wording he puts into his name itself was subject to discussion) ተስፋይ.

            Hundreds of amharic words are in the dictionary, whilst zero words were borrowed from arabic or other Eritrean languages.

            The dictionary that was prepared by EPLF though not complete has the advantage of being prepared by a panel of experts, who speak collectively f2 languages, that gave it the power and strength of pulling together.

            Having said that, I do respect the efforts, patience and initiative taken by I would prefer ተከአ and not ተክአ።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kibrom,

            Those who authored English-tigrigna dictionary it is good for beginning. But, by all means, they are not complete and they lack knowledge of the diversified tigrigna words. So I agree with your reservation.

          • Kbrom

            Hello Emma,

            Actually, I think, it should be seen as an issue of social justice, let’s say for example, the word Shoulder why would not the meaning include ጉስመይ instead of putting only መንኩብ which is used only in certain kebabi, since we are saying English Tigrigna. The same goes for now ሕዪ in areas like Nedwe or ግፍዒ for bereavement instead of using only ሓዘን።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kibrom,

            What I believe is, all the words token in different region of tigrigna speaking areas must be compiled. Then anthropologist, historians linguistic professionals must sort them out as synonyms and particularity of their usage. In such a way we can standardize them for educational purpose. But our Eritrea as we know it now, let alone to talk about modernizing our language, the country itself is not yet home of all Eritreans. So the language issue is a social-justice issue always.

            Regards

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amanuel
            Last I heard, Amanel Sahle was in Meqele. I listened to an interview of the dean of Tigrigna department. He was very grateful for Amanuel Sahle’s presence and his contribution.

          • iSem

            Hi Haile:
            ሽሺግ and መሰንጾ are not secret words, I came across to them when I was coming to Sudan and was fascinated. They are mekoster and mekos respectively and it is only spoken in the Anseba region and it is not just code.
            Add to that awreriye and shwesh:)

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam iSem

            “ሽሺግ and መሰንጾ are mekoster and mekos respectively and it is only spoken in the Anseba region and it is not just code.”

            I don’t think it is an Anseba or regional thing. ሞኾስተር ግባእ!!

            – ሽሽግ – ሰጥ ዝበለ ምልምል ኦም ወይ ነዊሕ ሳዕሪ። ንቀጢን ዉልዶ ኦም ወይ ንነዊሕ ሳዕሪ ብላኻ፡ ብገመድ ወይ ብልሕጺ ምእሳር።
            ንኣብነት፡
            ሽሽግ ሽሽግ ኣቢሉ መጻንሒ ዝኾኖ ገዛ ሰሪሑ።
            ኣብ ዓድኹም፡ ብቆልቛል ዲኹም ወይ ብሽሽግ ሆየ ሆየ ትብሉ

            ‘ታይ ኣፍሊጥካ ሽግ (ንጽል ምልምል ኦም)፡ ኪድ ብቖልቛል ሆየ በል!!

            – መሰንጾ?
            ጌጋ ‘ኽላኣለይ ‘ምበር ከም ታህሰስ፡ ክሊዓው፡ ጋባ…… ስም ኦም ‘ዩ ‘መስለኒ።

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • iSem

            Hi Semere
            Now we know two thing that will bring youy back: Ali Salem and linguistics;-)
            Maybe u are correct it is not regional, but I heard it for the first time and last time from Anseba ppl
            shshig could be drived from the verb you mentioned but in the lower Anseba they use it for mekoster and ur explanation makes sense too
            mesentso is used for mekose in the same region, u are thinking of mosoqqa, i think it has fruit, two different words;-)
            Also I heard awrerye, if you say temiye, they think u have no food at home and and many others you do not find else where

          • Kbrom

            Hi Semere (ጽቡቕ ሌላ) Emma and Isem

            ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ እምበር ቀጠንቲ ጨናፍር መብዛሕትኡ ግዜ ታህሰስ ግን ከአ ሓደ ሓደ እዋን ካልእ ተመሳሳሊ ቅጥኒን ተኽለ ሰውነትን ንዘለዎም ኣትክልቲ ንጥቀመሉ ኢዩ።

            እቲ ሽሽግ ወይ ምሽግሻግ ዝብል ካብቲ ነቲ ካብቲ ንሽሽግ ብምልግጋብ ዝኾነ ክፋት ከይገደፍካ ኣለጋጊብካ ኣሲርካ ከም ሓጹር ደረት ናይ ምጥቃም ስእላዊ ኣገላልጻ ዝወጸ ኢዩ። እዞም ማይቤት እገለስ ኪሸጋሸጉ (መብዛሕትኡ ግዜ ብኣሉታዊ ቃና) ይበሃል። እቲ ምሽግሻግ ብዋጋ ናይ ኻልኦት እንዳ ብምጉናይ እንተኾይኑ።

            ካብቲ ንሆየ ሆየ ምጥቃም ዝነቐለ ኢዩ ዝኸውን ኣብ ዘመናዊ መዝገበ ቃላት ን torch ሽግ ተባሂሉ ዝግለጽ።

            ኤማ ንሓተካ እባ፡ ሆየ ሆየና ግን ካብ ቆልቋል ዶ ኣይኮነን እንገብሮ ዝነበርና ወይስ ይጋገ ኣለኹ?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Kbrom

            መጀመርታ ጽቡቕ ሌላ………… ብምቕጻል

            – ኣብቲ ኣነ ዝዓበኹሉ ከባቢ፡ ሆየ-ሆየ ብሽግ ታህሰስ (ታህሶስ) ጥራሕዩ ዝስራሕ – ርሑቕ ሃገረሰብ ስለዝኾነ። ነቲ ሽግ ታህሶስ፡ ኣብ ክልተ ጨዲድካ ብልሕጺ ኣላጊብካ አንዳኣሰርካ ስለትሰርሖ (ንኽቑምት ማለተይ እየ)፡ ቁመት ሆየ-ሆየ ብቑጽሪ እሳር እዩ ዝልካዕ፡፡ ንእብነት፡ ሾመንተ እሳር ሆየ-ሆየ ካብ ሓሙሽተ እሳር ሆየ-ሆየ ይነውሕ። እቲ ቀጢን ዝተጨደ ንሆየ-ሆየ ዝኸውን ታህሰስ፡ ሽግ ታህሰስ ይበሃል። ተወዲኡ ምስ ተሰርሐ ድማ ሽግ ሆየ-ሆየ ይባሃል።

            – ኣብ ክንዲ ብመንደቕ፡ እንተደኣ ብቀጠንቲ ውልዶ ገረብ ወይ ብሻምብቆ ጊድጊዳ ገዛ ሰሪሕካ ድማ፡ ሽሽግ-ሽሽግ ኣቢሉ መጻንሒት ትኾኖ ጎጆ (ገዛ) ሰሪሑ ይበሃል። ሽሽግ-ሽሽግ ዝብል ቃል፡ ብኣሉታዊ መንገዲ ዘጠምቶ ምኽንያት ካኣ፡ ምስ ስእነትን ድኽነትን ዝተእሳሰረ ስለዝኾነ እዩ።

            ኣብ ሽሽግ-ሽሽግ ኣቢልካ ዝሰራሕካዮ ገዛ፡ ብሕት ኢልካ ክፋእካ ሰቲርካ ትነብረሉ ሂወት የለን። Privacy የለን። ኽትዛረብ ከለኻ (ምስጢር ይኹን ቆየቛ) ኩሉ ‘ዩ ዝሰምዓካ፡ ክትበልዕ ከለኻ ኩሉ ይርእየካ……. ማለትሲ፡ ኣብ ዳርጋ ቃልዕ ናብራ ኢኻ ትነብር። ሽሽግ ሽሽግ ኣቢልካ ትሰርሓ ገዛ፡ ትሕቲ ዃና ገዛ፡ ናይ ዝጨነቖም ገዛ እያ። እብ ዃና ገዛ ዝቕመጥ ‘ታይ ክብሪ ‘ለዎ? ኣብ ሽሽግ ገዛ (ጊድጊዳ ገዛ) ዝነብር ሰብ ካኣ፡ ትሕቲኡ እዩ።

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Semere Tesfay,

            On the first paragraph I agree with your explanation. Because it is the same in the area I grew up, in the highland of Serae.

            On the second paragraph, while your explanation is correct, but in the way we call it differ. ከምዘለዎ “ግድግዳ” ኢልና ንጽውዖ:: By the way where were you these days?

            Regard

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Aman

            Thank you for asking. I’m always around Aman. I always follow the discussion here at Awate. I just enjoy learning from the forumers more than running my mouth, that way I stay out of trouble. That’s all.

            And when I feel like saying something, you know me, my machine-gun is always loaded. I’ll empty it here until you ask the moderators to stop me 🙂

            Good to hear from you Aman

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Semere,

            First I love contrarians in their nature as far as they are respectful to their adversaries. Without them there is no debate. Second who am l to ask to ban or stop people. Of course I complain when people make it personal and attack you left and right. That is all. When are coming with your roaring articles?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Aman

            “On the second paragraph, while your explanation is correct, however in the way we call it, it differs. ንሕና ከምዘለዎ “ግድግዳ” ኢልና ኢና ንጽውዖ::”

            ፍልልይ ሽሽግ ገዛን ግድጊዳ ገዛን፡

            – ጊድጊዳን ሽሽግን፡ ኣሰራርሖኦምኳ ቁሩብ ዝመሳሰል እንተኾነ፡ ዝስርሑሉ ቦታን፡ ዉሽጦምን ላዕሎምን (their interiors and roofs – even at times their exteriors) ኣዝዮም ዝተፈላለዩ እዮም።

            ፍልልይ፥
            (ሀ) ጊድጊዳ ገዛ፡ ብቐዳድ ገረወኛን ብመራት ዚንጎን ዝተለጋገበ፡ ካብ ማይ ዘዕቅለካ ላዕላይ ጽፍሒ (roof) ኣለዎ። ሽሽግ ገዛ፡ ላዕለዋይ ጽፍሑ ቆጽሊ ወይ ሳዕሪ ጥራይ እዩ። ብሓጺር ኣዘራርባ፡ ሽሽግ ገዛ፡ ንእሽቶይ ዳስ እዩ።

            (ለ) ጊድጊዳ ገዛ፡ ክፋእካ ዝሰትረካን ካብ ቁሪ ዝከላኸለልካን፡ ዉሽጡ፡ ብጭቃ፡ ወይ ብሕዋስ ጭቃን ዒባ-ከብትን ዝተለመጸ እዩ። ሽሽግ ገዛ ኩሉ ጎኒታቱን ላዕሉን ገረብ ወይ ሳዕሪ እዩ።

            (ሐ) ጊድጊዳ ገዛ፡ ኣብ “ነጻ” መሬት እዩ ዝስራሕ፡ ሸሸጝ ገዛ ግን ኣብ ቀጽሪ (ካንሸሎ) ወለዲ፡ ቤተሰብ ወይ ፈተውቲ እዩ ዝስራሕ። እቲምንታይ ማይ ክሃርም ከሎ ሰለ ዘየዕቅል።

            (መ) ኣብ ጊድጊዳ ገዛ ተቐሚጥካ፡ ሓውሲ-ንቡር ሂወት እናመሪሕካ ቆልዑ ከተዕቢ ትኽእል ኢኻ፡ ኣብ ሽሽግ ገዛ ግን ዋላ ንሓንቲ ዓመት’ውን ትኹን ክትቅመጥ ኣሸጋሪ እዩ።

            ኣብነት፥
            ኣብ ኣስመራ ከም በዓል ኣባሻውል፡ ገዛ ብርሃኑ – ኣብ መንደፈራ ከም በዓል ሓድሽ-ዓዲ – ኣብ ብዓል ተሰነይ ኣቑርደት ብደንቀብ ዝተሰርሐ ገዛውቲ፡ ጊድጊዳ (ገዳጊዳ) ገዛውልቲ ይበሃል። ሽሽግ ገዛ ግን መብዛትኡ ኣብ ሃገረሰብ ከበሳን መታሕትን(?) ጥራይ ኢኻ ትርኢ።

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሓው ሰመረ,

            ስለዚ አነ ግድግዳ ጥራይ እየ ዝፈልጥ እንድሕሪ ፍልልይ ኣሊዎም:: ንዘቅረብካዮ ዝርዝር መግለጺ ብጣዕሚ የመስግን:: ጨለ ዝሓወይ::

            ሰናይ መዓልቲ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ክብሮማይ,

            ኣይተጋገኻን ኣብ ገለገለ ቦታ ይጥቀምሉ እምበር::

          • Haile S.

            ISem,
            You are a very resourceful person. Now you reminded ne about a tigrigna saying that goes ንወዲ ጉራዕ ወዲ ኩባርያ ይፈልጦ. And analysing the saying some people say that there was a language that both villages use to speak, now extict. May be the last words you listed are vestige of that lost one 🙂 🙂 .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Sem,

            ሽግ or sometimes ሽሽግ ኣብ ዓንሰባ ጥራይ ኣይኮነን ዝጥቀምሉ:: ኣብ ብዙሓት ወረዳታት ስራየውን ንጥቀመሉ ኢና:: ሽግ ወይ ሽሽግ ቀጠንቲ ጨናፍር ታህሳስ ጨጨዲድና ንሆየ ንጥቀመሎም ንቁጽ ዕንጨይቲ እዮም:: ብሓጺሩ ናይ ገጠር ቋንቋ እዩ::

            Regard

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam iSem,
            My first recollection of the word mesentso is in Mariqosay Weyni mis Himbashay.

          • iSem

            Hi Abrehet:
            Thanks, I know of the book translated by Aba Issac?
            Was it used as mekos?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Hi iSem,
            Yes, it was used as mekos.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          መርሓባ ክብሮማይ,

          ነዓባ “ክርት ክርት” አብሎስ “ቁርጽ ቁርጽ” አብሎ ማለት እምበር:: ነቲ ነዊሕ ሓረግ ቆራሪጽካ ብንኡሳን ሓረጋት ንደቆም ማለተይ እዩ:: ንዘረባ “ብትኽ ብትኽ” ኣብሎ ግን ኮለል አይትበል ብቀጥታ አብቲ ጉዳይ ረጊጽካ ተዛረብ ማለት’ዩ:: ስለዚ ዝማሳሰሉ ዋላ እንተኾኑኳ አጠቃቅመኦም ይፋላለ እዩ::

          ካብ ሓውኻ

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Kbrom,

          You, will have to complete it the idea .You don’t have to worry about what they are saying .As for me, I am okay with what you are saying is clear ..(ተመችቶኛል::)

          KS,,

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Kibrom,
      The convoluted writing matches the convoluted logic of the meeting participants. Excellent.

  • Hayat Adem

    Alex,
    Are you from Warsai generation? if yes, know the events you are talking about:
    1998: IA invaded Badime unprovoked. Ethiopia asked him to withdraw. Mediators asked to get out of Badime. Barakhi advised him to do the same. He never heeded to all that. he said badime or the death of the Sun.
    1999: Warsai was dislodged from Badime by the Ethiopian army.
    1999: IA was asked again to leave Zalanbessa. IA said no.
    2000: Warsai was dislodged from the west front by the Ethiopian army all the way beyond Barentu and up to Tesseney. On the central front up to Adi QeyiH. Warsai left its defense line and all hard dug trenches behind. Warsai knows how to boast, provoke and run away.
    2000: The Ethiopian army withdrew from the Eritrean terriotry unilaterally. While it was withdrawing from Tesseney- Omohajjer corridor, Warsai tried to attack the Ethiopians from behind. The Ethiopians chased back Warsai and retook Tesseney for the 2nd time. IA agreed to leave 25 KM inside Eritrea to be designated as TSZ cleared off the Eritrean army for Unmee.
    Alex Hawey, you have no Warsai history to be proud of.

  • blink

    Dear All
    I am celebrating my 1 year participation in awate forum. I find out in this forum that many people have thick skin than Elephant. I found out that people accuse our founding fathers just because they hate the dictator , I think it is irresponsible.I found out that there are fake once too. But the real once are worth of reading. By the way sorry for provoking some people ( Ismael AA.)

    I learned many things from the following people.
    1.Fanti the half Eritrean , decency . I really wanted to kill him and take all the good side out of him and again kill him , what ?
    2.Amde , speak truth in a unique way still good. I learned many things.Thanks bro.
    3.Horizon , TPLF yet lovable, I can take him to Massawa for free . I am serious about this.
    4.Kim , I wanted to arrest him , ahmm .
    5. Abi , I missed him but I am happy he disappeared 👻 . Who cares .
    6.Paulos , ahmm , that guy .
    7. Hayat …., Ahmmm , what can I say . Call Jowhar.
    8.Berhe , really nice guy , I mean it but I would still not arrest him with Issaias.
    9. Thomas , ahmm Ohio, I laughed
    10. Mr. Amanuel Hidrat . Oh this man ,Meles hawulti must have his signature
    11. Where are people like papi ,Desbele ? I don’t care .
    12. Ali salim . Ahmm I like him , I would reserve a sit with Tesfatsion , YG and who Hamid al arabi , Abi and semere Habtemariam the author of orthodox .

    Did you wonder why I did not mention others like . MS , Saay , Haile.S , peace , kibrom, tes , Ismael, Beyan, SG , Nitricc, semere.T , Dawit,Gheteb , Alex and others , because I am racist. Lol Yes yes , I have saved Every article saay wrote in awate, can you believe this? Yes you better I have saved them all, why I did such thing still puzzles me but I will find out because after all I am younger than saay .

    One secret I have to tell to all , I have been reading awatecom from June 2004 and I was invited to visit to this place by a guy who is in prison in Eritrea , the guy have been in prison ever since , no one knows him any way ,who cares . Oh ja who cares . His wife , well she is on the streets of Asmara selling chewing gum, sendeles, used clothes and other many things ,still PFDJ harasses her with many other street vendors ,She run with her belongings from corner to corner and if by chance I called she will say , not good time the stupid are coming . Sad right ? Forget it , I have seen many bad things . These days nothing amuses me really. What amuses me is that , where is the bullet that can crack Issaias because I am certain the best solution can be that way .

    • Nitricc

      Blink hahahahaah, please don’t say “9. Thomas , am hmm Ohio, I laughed” the only good thing abut Ohio is Weledab, lives there. I know Thomas’s phone number and i know what he does and i was going to tell Weldeab, please don’t bother but i wanted to see the show down. There is a kick to it, Thomas challenges wedeab, if he has any courage he should contacted him. i was laughing so hard, i just ignored the whole thing. Thomas is awate forum member so, i should be cool. Weldeab, if you need Thomas’s number i will give it to you, if you must meat him that is. the guy is dumber the Semere Andom. way dumb.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear.. Nitricay And blinkay,

        You two guys,why are you joking now? Is that your nature? Did you think this is proper time? When awate community is sad, you guys enjoy and really I am honestly talking you are not supposed to do that..

        KS,,

        • blink

          Dear KS
          What do you want me to do , tell me ? You and many are saying these people will go to heaven and I don’t believe that even for a second . By the way when is the berial of Durue ? That should be the talking points , don’t you think so ? A man who died for All Eritreans to have a constitutional government could not even get a single tribute, really sadness me but to not deliver his body to his family is beyond words , so what exactly are you accusing me ?
          I have read poems, articles and audio tributes and I thought this is simply great tribute apart from that , I have clear stand about death and that’s. It will always happen.

      • Thomas

        Hi Blink and Nitricc,

        I am devastated with aboy Mussa’s death. I have known aboy Mussa for througout my childhood life and I just cannot forget the very kind person aboy Mussa was. Like I said, aboy mussa was the main funding source of our football/soccer team. He was a very generous abo. Plus, he was a friend of the entire neighborhood. As children, we were greeting aboy Mussa wherever we get to see him. I don’t know if our neighborhood in gejeret, asmara would be the same without aboy Mussa around. Words can never describe this man of integrity.

        So, I won’t say more, but this is what I wanted to tell the nitricc the oromo guy and his friend, the fake woldeab want to be the young man. There is no woldeab young man in Columbus except aboy woldeab. For aboys, i have respect so even if I meet aboy woldeab I would still show respect for he is a senior citizen.

        Hi Nitricc – the oromo boy who comes with a nickname you are not qualified to say anything about me. Yes, I am very open to public because there is nothing that I want to hide. Always, I serve the truth unlike you, I am never fake commenting here with a fake name.

  • Kbrom

    Hello Awate Forum

    Reports from the office of EPRDF confirmed that consensus has been reached on the election of Dr Abie Ahmed. It looks that it will be announced soon. What is worrisome is that the consensus has been reached on several tough conditions that Dr Abie should not dare to take decisions upon after his election/selection.

    The conditions include : Not holding accountable the EPRDF (mainly the TPLF officials) for corruption.

    Yes, corruption is the issue that no prime minister will address unless it held accountable the giants of TPLF and if he tries to do so, that will be the end of his reign. The issue of corruption was one of the main talking points in all EPRDF marathon meeting. the EPRDF wants it to be considered as fait accompli once there is ‘ነቐፌታን ዓርሰ ነቐፌታን’።

    However, corruption has swelled the ranks, created a culture that increasingly value money over other TPLF revolutionary values and ideals. The intensification of corruption has created ‘thieves of state’ with a new attitude and enormous sums of money that are in play.

    The way corruption is happening in Ethiopia now is not just having a few rogue actors filling their own pockets on the margins, rather it has led to the whole government. Corruption has become structured around the objective of maximising private returns in all levels and that was the main fuel of the serious crises and public cry.

    How will PMAA’s designation play out, what would be the reaction of the grassroots, as saay would love to put it ’time will tell’.

    ‘When you fight corruption, it fights back.’

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam kbrom
      So in other word tplf admitted they r thieves? Its a good start.
      About dr Abiy, he will be pm , not because tplf want it but tplf get no any other options. They forced to drink the bitter truth, if they try to stop him , it will be the end of tplf even in tigrai.tplf know that and that is why dr Abiy will be the next pm 110% sure.

    • Selam Kbrom,

      Letting the thieves go scot free is one of the prices ethiopia has to pay for the sake of peace and stability. Nevertheless, the major duty of the new government in the future should be to cut the umbilical cord that joins them with their sources, stop tax evasion, lopsided economic advantages (like easy access to loans that are never paid back), their facilitators in capital flight to foreign destinations are punished, and they function under strict state law with severe consequences if not, etc.

      Corruption is the frankenstein monster almost no country can fight effectively. The world economic crisis is due to corruption, trillions of dollars hidden in offshore companies, its offices are situated in london, luxembourg, switzerland, singapore, new york and other american cities, british offshore havens (the small islands scattered all over the world), etc. The owners of this illegal money are known to many, but they do not dare to speak, and even if they do so, there is no government that dares to hold them responsible.

      Immunity from prosecution is the first thing dictatorial and authoritarian regimes bargain for when they are about to be deposed. That is what mugabe did, and that is what tplf is doing now.

      “Governmental or state thieves” in ethiopian case, and in many other countries especially in africa, differ only in the language they speak. Yesterday they spoke amharic, today they speak tigrigna, and i pray to God that tomorrow it will not be afan oromo. Maybe you remember one of the most backward mentality that says, “ሲሾሙ ያልበሉ፣ ሲሻሩ ይፀፅታል፣”. This is the ethiopian reality, and it needs a lot of work to cure the society from this chronic disease.

      “Values and ideals” existed for tplf before they came to power in ethiopia, and when they were not sure if they will ever achieve their goal. The same holds true for eplf, too. When they reached addis and asmara, respectively, even months before that when they were sure that power belonged to them, they had thrown away the fake garb of progressiveness they wore, as the snake changes its skin, and they became full time dictators. We all know what politicians say pre-election and what they do afterwards, when they come to power.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Horizon,
        .
        Retail stores in the U.S, have serious problems of shop lifters and inside theft jobs that is very costly to them. These businesses every year calculate what the total loss was and begin to plan for the next year loss as a “cost of doing business expense”. It is sad but reality.
        They spread the cost to their customers and keep on marching.
        .
        Governments and I mean all Governments call it corruption. It exists. You can call it the cost of running governments with people. What a good Government does is to minimize that cost with intense scrutiny and severe penalty.
        However, we all have to be careful to not allow all the oppositions to the Governments exaggerate and use this scourge for their political purposes.
        .
        I know Haile Selassie Government was a corrupt Government. I also know Haile Selassie did not have Billions of Dollars stashed away in Swiss Banks. How do I know that? Experts looked and looked and in the mean time his grand sons and great grand sons are working for a living like me.
        .
        This post is to shade light in all directions not to defend the corrupt participants of our Government.
        .
        MR. K.H

        • Selam Kim Hanna,

          It is very difficult to prove illegal money. The route it takes is usually complicated and its destination well concealed. Some years ago there was this news blowing in the wind that tplf officials had billions of dollars in secrete accounts in foreign banks. I do not remember the details now, but it was there. Moreover, the different tplf companies are also suspected of function above the law. This things are said, but difficult to prove.

          I am not sure, but there was also this news after the 1998-2000 war, which said that tplf asked the ethiopian government about 3bn birr to be paid back to its companies, because it had to borrow for the war effort. Now, what is true and what is fake news, i do not know.

          The problem is how effective could the war on corruption be, when the corrupt and the one expected to fight corruption is sometimes the same person, especially in african governments. It is said that corruption is the number one enemy of ethiopia’s drive for economic development. Of course, corruption is said to affect federal and state government officials.

          One of the ways African countries are robbed by multinationals and others is to over-value imports and under-value exports. This is done usually with the help of government officials. The difference remains in the home country. It is said that around $150bn is lost to african countries every year. Billions have come to ethiopia since 1991, and it is difficult to say that all the money was invested the right way.

          Years ago, i had read that nigeria had lost more than $500bn from oil revenues, and nigeria is one of the most corrupt countries, including DRC and Namibia. The president’s son of Guinea-Bissau had a private jet, castle in france and a number of luxury cars. All these governments came to power with help of gun.

          If the opposition tries to use corruption as a pretext for political defamation, usually there is the simple answer governments use, which is ‘prove it’ if you can.

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Kbrom,
      Lets validate the factuality of your first two sentences.
      1) “Reports from the office of EPRDF confirmed that consensus has been reached on the election of Dr Abie Ahmed. It looks that it will be announced soon.”
      Do you have the reports you claim to have come out from EPRDF’s office? Where did you see them? Can you share them with us?
      2) “What is worrisome is that the consensus has been reached on several tough conditions that Dr Abie should not dare to take decisions upon after his election/selection. Conditions include: Not holding accountable the EPRDF (mainly the TPLF officials) for corruption.”
      Your claim goes not only that you know the report but you also know the conditions that have been discussed to allow the motion towards Dr. Abiy’s election.How do you know what conditions were discussed or if there were any conditions discussed? At what level of the EPRDF were they discussed?
      —–
      You see what you are doing? You brought one bold claim “report from the EPRDF office on Dr. Abiy” and tagged it to a “condition”, and then you jump-zoomed in to say stuff about corruption in that very context. Emmm.. you seem to be a good man to me. But I also remembered Machiavelli did believe that it was better to appear to be good than to be good.

      • Kbrom

        Dear Hayat,

        Nice to be D – introduced to each other (digital introduction). As our Arab brothers would love to say سمعتك تسبقك (your reputation precedes you), I noticed several Awatistas missing you, then I missed you before knowing you.

        Now to your points dearest Hayat Adem.

        1. Where did you see them? Can you share them with us?
        No I can not tell you!

        2. How do you know what conditions were discussed or if there were any conditions discussed

        Please refer to number 1

        3 Machiavelli? If you are talking about Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli, I would prefer not to reply to that part, as I would really want to see only your positive side, and do not want to poison the discussion climate.

        Thank you.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear Kbrom,
          Thanks for the introduction. Likewise here.
          I will understand if you don’t want to share the source of your info. What that means is I will have to disregard your info until I see someone validating it beyond questionability. What you put under 2 is a bit laughable, though and ruins your claim under 1. There is no party that elects a leader that would promise to guard its past dirt. The party tries to bring its best member to leadership for the challenge at hand; and the new leader comes to the front to sustain success or change for the better.
          By my analysis, Dr. ABIY is the worst choice. He is not real. I have watched his videos. Ethiopia doesn’t deserve such a fake character. He also represents crisis not a solution. I am almost sure he is not going to make it at all. I think Ethiopia better settles with the current deputy or bring another one .
          Hayat

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hayat; this is the first time agreed with you. You are absolutely right when you said ” By my analysis, Dr. ABIY is the worst choice. He is not real. I have watched his videos. Ethiopia doesn’t deserve such a fake character” there is more about that guy but that is for the next time. Although, it is a good thing for your Weyane if Dr Aby becomes a PM, it will be a slightly improvement from Desalegn Hailmariam.

          • blink

            Dear Nitricc
            Weren’t all fake once ? I mean Meles was fake , Hailemariam was fake , EPRDF is fake . What’s real is the plea of the Ethiopian people.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Blink hahahahah lol That is true but this guy Dr Aby is faker. Listen to him, his insincerity so obvious, it comes out and will grab you by neck. But you are right it is all fake. thanks for the laugh.

          • Hayat Adem

            Nitricc,
            Allow me to celebrate this: you and me eye to eye?!
            By my book, Dr. ABIY would be the worst man as a leader. He is a con artist. Why is Ethiopia not looking for its brightest and best? I would invite Saay to watch the English interview, a fake one, of Dr Abiy on YouTube. Who that hopes to be a leader of a great country would go to such a great length to fake an interview? The recorded fake questions, so many books at the background, the teleprompter play, the emphasis on uttering the words, the entire incoherence on the substance, the overstretched attempt to look like well versed man with global issues…. oh I was almost to vomit!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            Logically if they(tplf) against something(anything), it means the thing is somehow good. It just like evil like u only if u evil. It is about force of good and force of evil.
            Any why dr Abiy will be the next pm 110 sure but by itself it doesn’t mean success but it might be a good start for those against evil.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy; the problem is I don’t think any of the so-called candidates understood the magnitude of the problem and the challenge it takes to solve it. Ethiopia’s problem is over population the end of the story. on the top of that 70% is 26 years old and younger. think about it. until you have a leader who faces that, lemma, Ahmed, Gebremariam is not the answer. I have a solution for Ethiopia and I will share it.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            Agree but what am saying is he might be a good start(to start to solve the problems), otherwise the other options might gonna be bloody.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy, do you believe that if Dr Aby is elected as PM; do you think he will be independent and free from TPLF shackles? Personally I don’t believe not only he will not be free but he could turn to TPLF enabler. Don’t undermine the power of TPLF!!!

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            I have seen a few of Dr Abiy interviews and his problem is he is born in the age of social media. Within minutes of his name being floated, there were a few videos of him plagiarizing speeches (not quoting but word-for-word reading: in one video he is clearly squinting as he reads the speech) from any source he can find including Ayn Rand. I dismiss this because in Habesha culture (Eritreans and Ethiopians) there is no difference between researching and plagiarizing and there is no taboo associated with the latter. Dr Abiy and Lemma are “The Revenge of TPLF” to tell Ethiopians “you thought we were bad? Check out these guys!”

            I don’t have your and Kbrom insider sources but I hear his candidacy is doomed because he was unable to deliver the OPDO vote on the state of emergency. A fine Moses you make if people don’t follow your staff.

            Anyway, at least Ethiopians have elections to rig, candidates to disqualify and reporters to report on it all. It’s the Eritrean case that is tragic beyond words.

            saay

          • iSem

            Sal and Hayat:
            and with that, I call it a day;-)

          • Ismail AA

            Dear saay7 and hayat,

            I need your help if I may, please. From what I am reading in these exchanges about Dr. Abiy Ahmed, should I count his quite recent two video speeches, one of them on knowledge, that I had listened to (and admired), as not reflect his intellectual integrity and competence? I would love to hear more on this because I have not see yet the stuff both of you had mentioned.

          • saay7

            Ismail:

            I don’t know which video speech you saw but a guy by the name of Brook Michel compiled all the plagiarizing Dr. Abiy has done and it goes like this (he is apparently a big fan of Kissinger:) Everything which follows is courtesy of Brook Michel:

            Video 1:

            “The world is in chaos. Fundamental upheavals are occurring in many parts of the world simultaneously, most of which are governed by disparate principles.”

            That’s what Henry Kissinger said in this interview http://jworldtimes.com/…/in…/the-lessons-of-henry-kissinger/

            Video #2
            “My instinct is—and I hope I am right—that an American president who presents a framework combining fortitude and purpose will be supported ”
            That’s what kissinger said again
            “https://www.theatlantic.com/…/kissinger-order-and-c…/506876/

            Video #3
            ” I am, but I believe in evolutionary stability. I do not believe you can ever maintain the status quo in perpetuity. The challenge, then, is to devise a system in which change can be accommodated without producing chaos ”
            https://www.theatlantic.com/…/kissinger-order-and-c…/506876/

            Video #4
            “fear and desire are the twin engines of human survival but with most of our basic needs met these instincts are being engaged to imprison us…..” Russel Brand
            https://www.newstatesman.com/…/…/russell-brand-on-revolution

            Video #5
            “Every society that has ever existed in human history has at some point declined. You can be arrogant enough to believe that it cannot happen to you, but you need the humility to recognize the limitations of human foresight. That said, you must have some faith in yourself. Lack of faith in a society is an early symptom of decline.”
            https://www.theatlantic.com/…/kissinger-order-and-c…/506876/

            Side note: When SGJ and I were looking for contributors in the early 2000s, we were stunned at how many writers just plagiarized other people’s work and submitted it as their own. I concluded that plagiarism must not have the same taboo in some cultures as it does in others. So maybe Dr Abiy Ahmed is genuinely shocked that people are making a big deal of something that shows he is well-read 🙂

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Hi saay,

            What about PIA who plagiarised himself for the last 17 years ፉኩያማ፡ ዝሑል ኩናት፡ ምውቕቓዕ ኢየ ዝብሎ ኣነ፡ and more than that the same face with a statement of ምርጫ ዝደሊ ናብ ወርሒ ይኺድ።

            The man is a disaster not only in the past tense but also in the future tense, he miscalculated the demise of TPLF for 20 years, but since there is no accountability, people would only say ሓንቲ መዓልቲስ ክትምሰለሉ ኢያ። One of the factors that is entangling the Ethio-Eritrea situation is that both sides believe to their disillusion that the other side will touch the ground soon.

          • saay7

            Hey Kbrom:

            You may know that my field is Education. And in every class, we have the kid who does not know the answer to a question and then gives everything he knows about the subject hoping that the answer is somewhere in his 4-page response.

            A tough professor will give zero credit for this;
            An easy Professor will give half credit for this;
            A know-nothing IA-worshipper will think that nobody except IA knows this.

            I don’t do proverbs but there is a fitting one about ፃሕሊ and some other aquatic thing whose message is that who have nothing to compare something with are easily impressed by mediocrity.

            saay

          • Kbrom

            saay,

            Education, what takes you there? One would be expect you to be a writer or a journalist. I think you are looking for ንጻሕሊ ማይሲ ጥሚቕ ተንቀላውጣ። BTW the ጸ you used is not ours.

          • saay7

            Kbrom:

            Nope 🙂 the one I am thinking of is “He who hasn’t seen the Sea is impressed by ማይ ፃሕሊ

            Journalist: someone who chronicles what other people have done.

            Writer, fiction: someone who chronicles what he imagines.

            Writer, non-fiction: an activist 🙂

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hey Aya Adi’U,

            You are good in all the three. We know you as a writer, not as an educator. We judge you by what we know you.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kbrom; your comparison is unfair. is Ph-D count for something? How are you going to compare a so-called Ph-D holder with an old man who wasted his life in leading and fighting a movement? In fact those things are committed by ph-d should cause you for serious concern.

          • Kbrom

            Hi Nitriccay,

            Honestly, I do not buy the over exaggerated evaluations of Dr Abiy’s skills and ‘speeches’. More than that what matters is what would be the role of the EPRDF’s establishment in Ethiopia. I think people will be disappointed, as they were with Obama, once they realise that in Ethiopia it is not about personalities it is more than that.

            School titles are irrelevant, Media personalities like Ellen DeGeneres, Oprah, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, from leaders John Major, Ho Chi Minh, John F. Kennedy were school drop outs.

            Eritrea? I would not care whether we are led by Phd holder or a drop out students as long as it is governed by constitutional law and the rule of people to the people. ኣብ ዝደለኽዮ ጠሓንዮ እቲ ሓርጭ ጥራይ ኣምጽእዮ ይብሉ ኣቦታት።

          • Hope

            SAAY and Hayat:

            So what?

            He is a Learner and repeating or quoting what other Intellectuals and Leaders said doesn’t make him to be a bad leader.
            Putting the cart before the horse?

            Give him a chance and let him apply in deeds what he read and what he is plagiarizing .
            After all,he is going to be a Neutralizing/Unifying Agent for the current crisis as that is what the Oromo-the Driving Force of the Current Ethiopian mess and Crisis.
            Prejudice and misperception?

          • Ismail AA

            Dear saay7,

            Thank you for the time. I learned early on in my student days that plagiarizing is capital offense that should by no means be condoned. Moreover, I followed the efforts made in Awate.com to shield it from plagiarized postings which a duty to fulfil.

            Now you left me with a homework to find out who this Brook Michel is. Who initiated him to come out with Dr. Abiy’s offenses on failing to acknowledge sources he had quoted from?; Why he had to do that?; and what relation, if any, does he have with Ethiopia’s current affairs? These questions seem to be relevant when account is taken about propanganda campaigns and their integrity that one witnesses among the Ethiopian oppositions groups.

          • saay7

            Ismail:

            Here’s more on Brook Michel. He says he is “Finnfinnee (AA) born and bred” and my guess is he is an urbanite bored by ethno-politicis. Here he is making fun of Dr Abiye claiming that water cures cancer or some other thing. (Warning Hayat: do not watch this as it might give you a little breakdown:)

            https://twitter.com/Michae1O/status/966676420419350531

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY; hahahahah. what I wanted to know is, is there a word in Tigrigna or Amharic for “molecule”

          • saay7

            Nitricc:

            There is no Tigrinya word for it but there is an Isaias-Tigrinya word for it:

            Step 1: take the Arabic word for molecule: juzei
            Step 2: tigrinasize the Arabic word. Guzi
            Step 3: add እየ ዝብሎ ኣነ and voila
            Molecule = Guzi

            saay

          • Desbele

            ሰላም Saay
            እዚ መትኸኽ የንብበካ ዶ ከውን፧ ቁርብስ ምተመሓየሸ ነይሩ
            ምኻን ካብ ሓዳስ ኤርትራ መን ሕለፍ ኢልዎ፤ ኣብኣ ከማን ዜና ዕረፍቲ ናይ መወቲ ተቃልሕ ኣምዲ እያ favorite ናቱ

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Saay & Nitricc,

            “ሞለኪውል” እየ ዝብሎ ኣነ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay and all,

            If you don’t mind, my own interpretation with no demand of references will be;

            Plagiarism = ስርቀ-ሓሳብ (for you)
            Molecule = ንጥረ-ነገር (for nitric)

            This reminds me in 1970, during our graduation in the Polytechnic Institute of Bahir Dar . There were products of diploma projects (all technical products in nature), where I was one of the explainers in the exhibition of the products. The emperor (HS) asked me this: “በቋንቋችን ፍዚክስ ምንይባላል”? My answer was I don’t know but we will soon find a name for it. The king smiled and left me for the next show. You see Saay, It is a long way to go to create equivalence for any foreign languages be it in literature or scientific languages. So bring them all, the awate University will tackle it, if the Asmara University is closed.

            Regards

          • saay7

            Emma:

            Nice. Well….the 1987 edition of EPLFs dictionary (the one with the orange cover) was one impressive document. I lost mine during a move* and my relationship with Hdri Publishers is frozen so I have no access 🙂 somebody who had a hand in that dictionary told me that their first go-to was Arabic.** Although in this case it wouldn’t help because the Arabic for physics is fizia. I hear Persian is more developed for academic terms.

            Saay

            * because I don’t want to say it was stolen
            ** because Abi is not here no heads will explode

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            Adopting words from Arabic is easier than from Farsi because the former is Semitic and the later aryan. But Arabs and Farsis adopt each other’s terms. For example, in the gulf, they say Jaama for glass as in window glass. It’s Farsi.

            Guess where we adopted Battera from? It’s Arabic Abu Terra because the silver coming that was commonly adopted had a bird on one side. Hence Abu Terra became baatera.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear saay,

            I have seen in someone house a similar to the orange Tigrinya / Arabic dictionary.

            I was convinced, the EPLF must have used extensively that dictionary.

            Has anyone aware of the dictionary (it’s older than the EPLF) version.

            Berhe

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Aman,

            What do you say, if awate,com will open another page only for words. Don’t you think it is nice to have such page for more advanced knowledge? Since then I was thoroughly following you guys it is fantastic..

            KS,,

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman; so, what would be “particles” if a Molecule is “ንጥረ-ነገር” just for fun.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Nitric & Kokhbay,

            I added “particles” to the list. Refer to to my previous comment.

          • Amde

            Selam Amanuel,

            You may be the only Awatists who has had direct conversation with HaileSellasie. Interesting anecdote.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear saay7,

            Thanks again. Brook Michel “… an urbanite bored by ethno-politicis.”. A clue that tells me that my suspicion may not have been that much misplaced than I thought. Reckless defamatory games cannot be ruled out in politics of fragile nation-states. One needs to be cautious, and take with grain of salt things individuals like Brook. Counter checking is appropriate. One way of looking at the matter is what you wrote about socio-cultural set ups. I have never seen yet what an equivalent term to plagiarism in Tigrinya or Amharic is, or even in Arabic save “neqel geer musenaf” which is pretty general.

          • saay7

            Selam Ismail:

            The “urban bored by ethno-politics” is what I am surmising based on his reaction to the candidacy of someone he considers to be too inferior to be PM. I have zero evidence for it so add that to your cautionary tale about sourcing.

            I think what Ethiopia is going through is historic, significant and exciting. They are actually talking about multiple candidates vying for the premiership,the armed groups are irrelevant and there is one document, a constitution, that all pledge allegiance to. It’s next to impossible not to make comparisons with Eritrea and declare, as a friend did, Eritrea is still in 1970 calendar-wise, with an out-of-touch thinking he will rule another 30 Years.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            ንዘረባ ዘረባ አምጸኦ ከም ዝበሃል: እዚ ዘረባኻ ገለ አዘኪሩኒ:: It is about your comparison. In 1977 I met a group of EPLFites at Shambiqo in the gash areas. There was one classmate with the group. I was talking to him something reminiscence about our school time. On my hand there was
            “ገድሊ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ” one of our two news papers. One of his colleagues asked to see it and I gave him. He read a quotation from Mao’s renowned saying on the cover of it. He started to say a provoking words. አየ ጀብሃ ብጀካ ዘረባ ካልእ ዘይትፈልጡ ኢሉ ተኹቲኹ ኣዛሪቡኒ:: አነኸአ ካብ አምጻእኻዮ ብዛዕባዚ ከቢብና ዘሎ ሃዋህው እሞዘይንዛረብ ኢሉ ሓተትክዎ:: ንሱኸአ ሃዋህው እንታይ ማለትዩ ኢሉ ሓተተኒ:: አነኸአ ብዛዕባ ስምሪት ናይዘን ክልተ ሃገራውያን ውድባት በልክዎ:: ከስዒብ አቢሉ ኸአ ካብ ክፍልታት ዲኻስ ዋላስ ካብ ሓይልታት ኢሉ ሓተተኒ:: አነ ኸአ ካብ ክፍልታት ይኹን ካብ ሓይልታት: ብእኩብ ይኹን ብውልቀ ብሽግራትና ምዕላል እንታይ የጸግም በልክዎ:: ክፍልታት ምስ ጥቅምታት መሪሕነት ዝተአሳሰረ ስለ ዝኾነ ምስ ሓይልታት ጥራይ ኢና ንላዘብ በለኒ:: አነ ኸአ እቲ flow chart of the structural of ELF leadership ስለዝነበረኒ: ጀብሃ ማለት እዚ እዩ ኢለ ከፊተ መጋዚን አርኣኽዎ:: ሻዕብያ ማለትከ አየነይቲ እያ ኢለ እንተሓተትኩኻ ከተርእየኒዶ ትኽእል እንተበልክዎ:: ዓማ ኢሉኒ ረሓቀ:: ሽዑ አነ ሓሪቀ አየ ሻዕብያ ገና ኣብቲ ናይ 1969 ጉባኤ አዶብሐ ጀብሃ ዝነበረትሉ ኢኹም ዘለኹም ኢለ ተፋነኽዎ:: Therefore, your comparison of PFDJ
            “to the 1970 calendar-wise” is spot on.

            Regards

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            True, plagiarism is rampant, but I was also thinking the possibility of our education system’s contribution too.

            The “The Banking Model of Education” as coined and described by Paulo Freira, is still used in our region.

            In this type of education, knowledge is “deposited” into the student and the student is then expected to reproduce the exact amount upon request (withdrawal). The better the student, the more exact the balance!

            The following quote from the author himself as translated from Portuguese by Myra Ramos explains it succinctly.

            “Instead of communicating, the teacher issues communiques and makes deposits which the students patiently receive, memorize, and repeat. This is the “banking” concept of education, in which the scope of action allowed to students extends only as far as receiving, filing, and storing the deposits.” Pedagogy of the Oppressed (Portuguese 1968, English 1970).

            As of now, I am debating with myself trying to decide whether Abiye and many like him are plagiarizing, being a “good” student, or a little of both.

          • saay7

            Oh wow Fanti:

            This is the best of awate forum where a subject curves and detours and ends up far from where it started. Your take is original and I hadn’t fought of it but it makes perfect sense.

            In pedagogy (the art of teaching), the banking system to education (deposit/withdrawal) is closely associated with John Locke and his claim that we humans are born as clean slates (tabular rasa), which has been outdated since people like Chomsky said people are born with ability to speak.

            The huge difference between Eastern/Southern (Asia Africa) and Northern (Europe/North America) societies is how the role of the teacher is seen in each society. The more authoritarian the role of the teacher (educator, disciplinarian, parent, all knowing figure) the more likely for the country to adopt the banking system and thus no difference between answering and plagiarizing.

            Now, can you connect this with the political leaders same society produces?

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi Fanti and Sal: Good Discussion
            But now it is changing and a smart gal, a professor some were in California prof Alison King coined the phrase: “From Sage on the Stage to a Guide on the Side”, when she described the evolving role of the teacher/professor.
            In keeping with awate forum tradition to detour, California has a good higher education system in terms of differentiation and access thanks to Cark Kerr and good pedagogy thinking have come from California and I think one new private university that is turning the higher education upside down is called the Minerva university and it calling the current western pedagogy outdated

          • saay7

            iSem:

            You can’t talk about flipped classroom without mentioning Salman Khan founder of Khan Academy. Here’s the legend and if it’s not true don’t correct me. He used to tutor his nephew, niece and young cousin but because he traveled a lot he used to record his tutoring for lessons due when traveling. The kids said “Hey Uncle/cousin/fill in the blank: we actually prefer your recordings to your live lessons because we can always play them back when we are stumped.” This gave him the idea that people retain more from recordings than live lessons and thus: the Khan Academy.

            Flip classrooms flips how we were taught: lecture in class, homework at home changes to review lectures at home and do homework with your teacher helping you in the classroom.

            Fanti, መራሕቲ የብልና መኸርቲ or መሓርቲ All we got is ደረኽቲ. ISem insists that’s a tigrinya word.

            saay

          • iSem

            Sal:
            You are very correct about Sal Academay:-), but all the MOOCS are in trouble, what they did was they forgot the pedagogy aspect,they dumped the lectures.Inspired by Sal K, Sabstain Trun from again Califoria and Stanford tenured prof quite to found Udacity.com. Harvard and MIT followed with Coursera, but they result is high dropout rate and even if 3% completion rate of 100,000 is good, this did not solve the quality and access issues, the 90% of those who succeed knew how to learn, they were with degrees and even advanced degrees. Minerva also address the issue of MOOCs but uses them, it is headed by former Havard president and also an ohter former Harvard university, Larry Summers sits on its board
            The Salman story is not a legend, a legend is when falling apple hits on the head and you wonder how come teh apple fall down instead of up and u discover gravity as a result. Or better yet a legend is your shot a bullet and write your name with it and next to it the day Eritrea will be independent. I am guilty of detorung in both counts:-/0

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            Exactly, innovation is unthinkable! As iSem said below, there is some movement, at least a strong awareness, in California of this subject.

            The answer to your question naturally must include our movies, songs, books, speeches, even fashions and other communication mechanisms. We are seriously lagging behind in producing original thinkers.

            I once saw a huge blanket of books for sale from a sidewalk vendor with zero books of original work. Except for a few biographies of known foreign and domestic individuals everything else was a translation of one irrelevant concept after another with no value to our society today whatsoever.

            We are just emerging from an era where Africa’s leaders could only come to power either by force or by other equally dubious routes. The conditions that would require a potential leader to be creative to succeed do not exist yet or they are in their infancy. We have not advanced to the level of creating leaders yet but shepherds, is what I call it (ገናሕቲ’ምበር መራሕቲ ኣብ ምፍጣር ኣይበጻሕናን እየ ዝብሎ ኣነ).

          • Gogo

            Selam Fanti,
            Given one is aware of the risks involved, do not you think some kind of cultural and intellectual mimicry is not entirely bad? Take the Romans, for example, until they shade off their cultural/philosophical/intellectual immaturity, they shamelessly adopted Greek philosophy, culture and even gods and goddesses. One might also think of the golden age of Arabic/Islamic science and philosophy between the 9 and 13th century. Translated Greek scholarly works were important part of the efflorescence of culture and learning. To play with the Freudian parable, the son needs to patiently study the ways of his father until he feels big enough to cut his head.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Gogo, Long time no hear!

            Definitely, some mimicking can be good. As they say, why reinvent the wheel? What the “banking model” describes and what I briefly mentioned with Saay was the method of teaching that emphasizes what something is without or instead of why it is.

            For instance, while the banking model might teach us that “New York steak, mashed potatoes, and vegetables make up a good meal” The Problem-posing model (banking model’s opposite) would teach us “proteins, carbohydrates, and vitamins makeup a good meal.”

            Even in the hilarious Freudian parable you mentioned I could see some creativity. The calculation “when I remove my father’s head, I will have it all to myself” falls in the creative category, I think.

          • Gogo

            Hi Fanti,
            I catch your drift. thanks.

          • Nitricc

            Your Fitness; no need for debate regarding Dr Aby. when the smarts person, Hayat and the dumbest person Nitricc, come in one conclusion, i suggest there shall be no doubt nor debate about the self serving Dr. Aby. he is a show bout. the moral of the story is when Hayat and Nitricc agrees on something, take it the bank.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Nitriccay,

            First, our undisputed Queen says that our future PM is fake. As if that was
            not enough she was also seen handshaking with you in broad day light! I understood the whole thing exactly (I guess I am smarter than I look), so nothing happened to me but my brother, Mr. Kim Hanna, fainted.

          • Hayat Adem

            Saay,
            I should have heeded your warning. The result was much more than a little breakdown. What does the land of Fanti want to be? Now Dr. Abiy is not only faking politics but also faking chemistry. Who dares to fake chemistry, for God’s sake? Body molecules turning to good or bad through words of curse or blessings?!
            Fanti: as your queen I command you to get this fake man out of any public responsibility; do it today and report back!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Hayata,

            Thanks to you, I watched a number of his speeches and in one video he claimed that “women have the ability to communicate telepathically,” using his mother as an example about how she calls him in the middle of nowhere to ask whether he was okay.

            He goes farther to claim that it has been proven that some NASA women in space were able to talk to someone in India or Indian ocean telepathically. That scared me a little.

            We are in a quagmire, but whether the country will be okay or not may depend on how much support he gets in Oromiya plus from other sister organization members.

            If he gets a unified support from all Oromo factions, at least for the sake of the historical nature of his nomination, he will be surrounded with good advisors and we will make it to the next election safely.

            If in the other hand, the Diaspora influenced non-OPDO Oromos decide to go for broke, they will label him TPLF lackey if he succeeds or TPLF made him fail if he fails in no time and the “peaceful demonstration” will continue with a new twist.

            The scariest and interesting version of course is to not elect him and face the consequence.

            My queen, I am but a small man. Although there is nothing I wouldn’t do for my queen, if I fail you, your majesty, it would break my heart in thousand pieces. So, may I recommend you telepathically tell him to withdraw his candidacy in this round?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saay7,
            I am not saying this specifically on Dr Abiy Ahmed, but “one who knowngly plagiarizes without any qualms is one who confidently underestimates his audience”. I hope I didn’t plagiarize someone inadvertently.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Ismail,
            Pay more attention to what Saay has to say about him but than I; but I am believing that the guy is really a quotation collector.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            Can we say this rig election ethiopians election or election between inside eprdf dictatorship? I assume u mean eprdf members party election but i ask u just because i need clarity.

          • saay7

            Hi Teodros:

            I don’t understand your question but since you are new, we spent a lot of time here mocking EPRDF’s meto-be-meto election results of 2005. That is a systematic rig. In the latest vote for state of emergency, there was a discussion of whether the constitution calls for 2/3 vote of parliament or 2/3 vote of those attending the meeting and when I teased an Ethiopian about different numbers being reported, he tweeted: “All I am saying is the Speaker of the house couldn’t add votes. Being stupid and criminal are two different things.” Lastly, as an Eritrean, you may not believe this: but I envy the fact that you have elections (no matter how rigged) and reporters who report on them. Addis Standard has been stellar on this. We in Eritrea have neither and the country has become such a theatre of the absurd, there are Eritreans who get more animated about how many members of the Ethiopian parliament voted against the state of emergency than the fact that THERE IS NO PARLIAMENT IN ERITREA, NOT EVEN A RUBBER STAMP ONE SINCE 2002.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            I was talking about Dr Abiy election. Since the topic of the discussion were about him.
            But i see what u mean now. Ethiopians have a fake(rig) election but eritrea have neither fake nor real election.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy as a person which one do you prefer? Ethiopian style election or no nothing Eritrean?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            It is all the same but no election atlist u will be out of confusion and fake election cam use it as experience.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Teddy; they can’t be the same. one is fooling you while insulting your intelligence. forget the expenses and the labor intensive activities but the culture of an election that will be seeded will be the great disservice to coming generation. So, I rather have no election or give the real one. once you have wrong and dishonest election culture, it is very hard to reverse it. So, I choose no election no nothing till the real one comes to my way.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            When i say it’s all the same, i meant in both cases the representative r not elected by the people.
            When i say confusion i meant all the thing that u have said in ur comment. But when i say experience i meant creating the election institutions, knowing the idea and even the purpose of election by itself . am talking about ethiopian standards(people outside the cities).

          • Desbele

            Nitricc,
            Do you read George Orwell’s 1984, it very much looks present day Eritrea. Some quotes from the book
            War is peace
            Freedom is slavery
            Ignorance is strength

            and now in honor of Nitricc
            Election is no election!!

            ነዚ ነውራም ስርዓት ንምውጥይጣይ መቸም ዘይትምሕዞ የብልካን
            ሕጅውን ምሕረት ይኣዝዝ

          • saay7

            Tedros:

            The Dr Abiy election to the chairmanship of OPDO? That was one conman (Lemma) making room for another conman (Dr Abiy) so that they can pull the Medvedev-Putin routine.

            Btw, Addis Standard says that the TPLF, which until now was not going to field a candidate to chair EPRDF and be next PM, has changed its mind. The plot thickens. But regardless of the outcome, the Eritrea-based “patriotic” Ethiopian “freedom fighters” are out of the game (Isaias Afwerki Miscalculation #7,234) because it turns out that Ethiopians are not opposed to ethnic federalism. They are just opposed to that ethnic group being on top of the system.

            Saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay and all,
            I think you haven’t heard the “Seber Zena”. Eritrea based “Ethiopian Patriots” have already presented their candidate: Isaias Afwerki.

          • woldeab

            Selam Saleh,
            The prodigal son coming home?
            You don’t say!
            Is he coming alone or is he bringing ……
            Fill in the blank

            Regards,

          • Thomas

            Hi Woldeab,

            Only you can understand what you wrote above.

          • woldeab

            Hi doubting Tommy,
            It takes at a minimum an IQ of 60 to understand what I wrote.

            READING IS FUNDAMENTAL!

          • Thomas

            Hi Woldeab,

            My suggestion: typing something by looking up from a dictionary will not impress others. Understand your own writing before you ask others to read and understand it.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Gash Saleh Johar
            If isaias Afwerki is qualified to be a candidate and chosen by the people, what is wronge with that? I know what u saying is a joke but the chooses of the people is what matters and i think that is the main part of democracy.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ato Tedros,
            Wrong. In many countries, drunk-driving size the revocation of your driving privilege. The likes of him lose their rights of voting and running for public offices. Google “politicians barred from election by law” and read on. But I will help you here: do you think Mengistu has the right to run for office before we go into his popularity or otherwise. There is you answer:-)

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Gash Saleh Johar
            Ishe, i get it , some people is not qualified to be a candidate.
            Mengistu , sentenced in absent life in prison , he is not qualified too.i think.

          • saay7

            Haha Abuselah:

            I am sure you have seen the video: an Ethiopian variety-show hosts interviews school-children in Addis (they look about 10 years old) and asks “whom would you like to be the next Prime Minister of Ethiopia?” The kids mention random names—Obama, their soccer heroes—and one of them answers “Isaias Afwerki!”

            I am sure your average hgdef-head will attribute that not to a kid-being-a-kid but to the popularity of Isaias all over the world.

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Memahir,

            Jimmy Kimmel’s recent “Lie Witness News” live program about “the crisis in Wakanda:”

            Reporter: is it time to bring US troops from Wakanda?

            Citizen 1: Ah, ahm, I think we need a strong presence in there. I definitely support our troops, so if they are in Wakanda they should, you know, they have a reason to be there.

            Reporter: what are people saying about the crisis in Wakanda?
            Citizen 2: they’re saying, like…, its so big it has… a lot o’ things happening over there…

            You will find it funny or scary, depending or mood.

          • Saleh Johar

            Raasi Fanti,
            And how are the “Ethiopian patriots” doing in Wakanda?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Memhir,

            They are still in a meeting discussing whether they should share their Vibranium with world or not.

          • saay7

            Hey Fanti:

            Did you know that Wakanda withdrew its embassy from the United States? This article explains:

            http://www.eritreadigest.com/wakanda-withdraws-ambassador-to-us/

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            I am dying with this line from the same site under IA BS generator:

            “…we will say more on that in your next question.”

          • Desbele

            Saay:
            “ብዝቀልጠፈ ስጉምቲ ክንምርሽ ብዘላዓለ ማርሻ ክንወናጨፍ እኳ እንተ ዘይተባህለ….”
            ወይኔ እንዴት ግን ቀውስ ይመራናል

          • Desbele

            That is a good laugh:-) I saw the kids and what I thought about that particular kid then was that he might be a child of Eritrean family.
            Unfortunately,this monster is mentioned almost everyday at our homes. And the bitter truth is that this kid might have learned the “heroic” deeds of this coward serial killer.

          • blink

            Dear SG
            Does that imply to Eritrean opposition in Ethiopia too ? Were not the Afar state in exile dancing in here , who could be their candidate in Ethiopia to lead Eritrea ? How is our opposition different from the Ethiopians ? It seems the next leaders will still have animosity against each other . Who would come on top SG with his New baddy or The Ethiopian professor? We will have enough time . But I believe Esat are far better and influential than any news we can dream for Eritreans. The Ethiopian opposition still beat all Eritreans opposition propaganda , so are you looking down to people who are fighting for their right ? How do two countries justice seekers support a dictator on each side and undermine each other ?

            I never heard a G-7 or any Ethiopian opposition group personalities undermine Eritrean opposition personalities.

          • Saleh Johar

            Blink,
            Not all the Eritrean opposition is in Ethiopia though that is what you try to spread.

            Any ally if PFDJ or sympathizer is a disgrace, I believe.

            But are you campaigning for Isaias to occupy the position? Nah. I thought you have a sense of humor. Always stiff? Get out of it 🙂

          • woldeab

            Selam Saay,
            I believe you are misreading Ethiopia and the fluid state the people find themselves in.

            They really are not opposed to that ethnic group as you put it.
            They are opposed to the chicanery of the the ruling party which have been discussed before.

            Reducing it to “ that group” really absolves the ruling elite.
            They f$&@ed up greatly and the people should hold their feet to the fire.
            Regards

          • saay7

            Woldeab:

            Ok, then answer me this: how is it that all the “One Ethiopia” constituency is all of a sudden in love with OPDO and ANDM despite the fact that they are part and parcel of EPRDF, the designers of regional federalism?

            saay

          • Thomas

            Hi saay,

            I think except for the local/regional government part, things were all the same during previous rulers (be it derg or HS). The only new thing is that the Oromos were quite back then. They have now become vocal and stronger. I think the era of the oromo is coming to life:)

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Tommy
            It is in ur mind the oromos were quite back than, they were not quite, they were active.the different is they were active under ethiopiawenet back than and now under oromo.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            You got it: Tplf’s revenge! If Kibrom and I have insider info and we are 180 degree divergent, surely, you don’t want to be either of us. I like your take than mine.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            You got it: Tplf’s revenge! If Kibrom and I have insider info and we are 180 degree divergent, surely, you don’t want to be either of us. I like your take than mine.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hayat; I am the defender of the truth. anytime you say the truth I have no choice but agree. So yes, we can see eye to eye if you tell the truth.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            WHAT IS HAPPENEING!!!!
            .
            Mr K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Nitricc,
            I was going to say the same. But it is good we crossed paths for a change.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat,
            .
            Oh ! My God Hayat!!, are you o.k. All this opioid epidemic and all. You and Nitricc…
            .
            You know, up to this moment, when you spoke I stood at attention to listen.
            Reading the last couple of posts, disturbed me. So, as long as I did not miss some joke, I want to continue in earnest.
            .
            You labeled Dr. Abiy as fake and unsuitable to be the leader of future Ethiopia. I don’t know this man from Adams other than what I have read few comments from people in this and other media.
            As I said, your statements disturbed me. If you are right, we are all in for a rocky and dangerous ride. I am preying you are wrong in your observation and conclusions.
            .
            In the event this judgment is arrived at due to review of his speeches and the lack of substance you attribute to him, I crave for more meat on this line of reasoning.
            Here in the U.S ,during the Obama candidacy, I had a similar concern at the time. However, it did not turn out that bad.
            .
            On the other hand if you arrived to the conclusion not only from your own observation but being convinced or persuaded by friends and acquaintances belonging to his opponents, that needs to be elucidated further. Something is missing.
            .
            I know Awate Forum is not a court of Law, it might be just a hear say, outlandish statements or feeling that is being discussed here.
            Still from a person of your caliber more is expected.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Okay K. H,
            I will try to back it up but it is my assessment about him. Sorry for the rough shake but that won’t kill you or other Ethiopians. A bad man at the helm can kill your country. Just make your own dig on him. His character is my issue, not the mistakes he made in life or in office.

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            What is the main issue in his character (his mental and moral nature) you are disappointed with, as long as you do not have problem with his mistakes in life and in office, that he is the wrong choice? Could you give us some tangible examples of his character that disappoints you so much that you characterize him as fake and not the right choice for the position? I really think that you should give us some clues so that we could dig for more as you said.

            I can understand that some people may have a sour taste in their mouth (i am not talking about you here) when they hear him say that he was moved by the hugging and the tears by the two people at the nile bridge in the recent drive to save lake tana, most amharas and oromos who live outside their states are found in oromia and amhara, school children in both states should be taught amharic and oromigna, respectively, to form a bond, oromos have ruled from gonder, the present government is corrupt and has made the ethiopian society corrupt, nepotism is rampant, there must be a paradigm shift – ethiopia should not only survive but should thrive, etc.

            All these are called plagiarism, even though i do not see how he could have presented a universal political issue differently from his processors.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            I was spouse to Wright for u but it goes under ms hayat comment by mistake.

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            I am forced to say that you are unusually unfair here, to Dr. Abiy Ahmed, when you say that he is the worst choice, a fake character and he represents the crisis and not the solution.

            On the contrary, i find him a young and progressive politician, open-minded and believer in what we call today አብሮነት (unity, togetherness), the great idea that was missing in ethiopian politics since 1991, and the reason ethiopians are today at each other’s throat.

            His messages are not fake, but on the contrary, captivating. He talks of the blood ties between ethiopians, the result of living together over many centuries, the common cause they fought side by side, this is the age of building bridges of communication between ethiopian ethnic groups and not demolishing them, past contradictions and old narratives should not be the stumbling block to progress, income disparity and wealth inequality in a country with growing gdp that affects mainly the young which is 70% of the population puts in danger the peace and harmony of the nation, respect to the constitution, etc. One can say much more, at least from his interviews.

            Believing in all the above does not make Dr. Abiy Ahmed fake and the worst choice for ethiopia. I wish that those who ruled ethiopia in the past had the understanding this young politician has shown about ethiopia and its social groups. What remains is to see him in action from the position of power.

          • Hayat Adem

            Horizon,
            If you feel what I feel about him, you wouldn’t blame me. And I am not interested in anyone except in the wellness of your country.
            I used to argue with people and say that Tplf should pave the way for this man as recently as a month ago. But he is not the kind of man we all thought. I am even puzzled he made it this far. Go to all his speeches with a curious mind. They are all flowerty with inspirational and motivational quotables collected from all over all orchestrated from an interest of a campaign.

          • Amde

            Hi Hayat,

            “But he is not the kind of man we all thought. I am even puzzled he made it this far.”

            Please follow that thought.

            He made it this far within the EPRDF machinery, AND the military AND the intelligence organization, AND as a Federal minister AND as the head of the OPDO secretariat (possibly the largest EPRDF component) AND as the head of OPDO.

            And NOW, everybody says he is a charlatan?

            Either the whole Ethiopian political system is in the charlatan promoting business, or it is completely full of fools who fail at the bare minimum of politics, which is the judging of character, and manipulation of trust.

            Or, he has NOW adopted positions that has angered powers that be.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Amde,
            But is he a charlatan or a drifter? Can u shed more light onto this man, please?

          • Ismail AA

            Dearest Hayat,
            Drifters and charlatans belong in the category of social scums let alone assume national functions of significance. But, here we dealing with politics that could assume lowest levels of mudslinging, which can be the case in relation to Dr. Abiye. My scepticism about the issue became reinforced after Amde’s in put. If Jawar and TPLF zealots are involved in the campaign, negative propaganda assault may not be ruled out. I think caution is necessary in competitive politically charged campaigns. Here, I am not disregarding the issues of mediocre attitudes matters pertaining to science or failure to acknowledge sources, which I think should be appraised apart from competence to qualify for leadership function.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Amde, Berhe, MS and saay

            Please fasten your belt as I am in a bit angry tone.

            Excuse me if I am zigging before you zagged. I am really feeling that we need to peel the layers to see the real situation inside the onion called EPRDF.

            Why are we acting as if the election of EPRDF is based on meritocracy, and EPRDFistas are assigned through evaluations or examinations of their intelligence, credentials, and education. Where are the terms LOYALTY, COMPROMISE, EXIT STRATEGY, BALANCE OF POWER, COMMON FATE, LOOMING DANGER, SOVEREIGNTY DEFAULT?

            We are not talking about the Norwegian Labor Party or the Denmark’s Social Democrats, we are talking about EPRDF. This is Ethiopia. Please read how Mengistu Hailemariam came to power during the pre coup d’etat when the emperors defence ministry asked all divisions to send representative to which the division’s General ordered his staff ኣንድ ሰው ከ መጋዝን ክፍል ላኩ እነሱ ብዙ ስራ የላቸውም። Mengistu was the most ignorant and the lowest ranking soldier in the meetings, he climbed to the power house because he was killing fast, and he had been advised by Ras Kebede (allegedly his biological father) in many ways.

            How about Hailemariam Desalen. Why did MZ hand picked him when MZ was diagnosed of Pituitary tumor. It was a result of that times political confrontation which involved senior TPLF officials including Aboy Sbhat and PMMZ. Why are we analysing the assignment of Dr Abie as if he is the result of several judgment upon the basis of various demonstrated merits. I have see a lot of exaggeration in this area in our forum, please help me if it is me who is acting as ጽንጊላሎ!

            Abie will be assigned to mitigate the national risk, alleviate the tension; if tomorrow morning the EPRDF evaluates that Fergesa’s assignment will be more fruitful in terms of saving the EPRDF and Ethiopia፥ they will not raise their eye brows to do it. Personalities has nothing to do in this situation, they are literally irrelevant. As young and inexperienced as they are, people like Lemma and Abie might believe to their own story and think they are charming people; yes, sometimes leaders are assigned by the real kingmakers without knowing why they are being handpicked. Politics is dirty to that extent. Case at point PMHD.

            Meritocracy is not in the play out, it is EPRDF’s survival. Have you ever listened when the current foreign minister Dr Worqneh Gebeyehu speaks, it is just a……..what about the others – some ranks and files calls them እንግሊዘኛ መስማት ለተሳናቸው when they make joke.

            Here is the context (my apology for stating the obvious). A new phenomenon is developing in Ethiopia. The Oromo people are leading the grassroots movement that could change the political landscape of Ethiopia forever. The uprising does not have a centralised leadership or a cardinal political program or a unified demand and slogan for that matter – hence susceptible to be hijacked by any organised force that is ready to fill the vacuum. The OPDO is using the movement as a leverage in both ways. The EPRDF knows that the statues quo is no more an option and has to make some drastic changes (that at least look) or face the fate of Egypt and Tunisia. The former PM was asked to resign with in this narrative and the upcoming PM will be SELECTED in a way that addresses the crisis that has already became out of the EPRDF’S hands. State of Emergency is not a sustainable solution, in fact it could be a catalyst of hypothetical EPRDF’s departure – EPRDFxit. In the inner circle what is being openly discussed is that the PM should/should not be from X ethnic group. It is about detonating the time bomb that is ticking, it is about America’s guidance and maybe pressure, it is about the collective fate of the leaders; please it is not about Phds, it is not about plagiarism/charlatanism, it is not about speeches, it is not about personality, it is absolutely NOT about Abie.

            May be he is surprised as equally as we are for the fluid developments that brings him to such level. If things are changed tomorrow morning and the Amhara movement is deemed more dangerous than the Oromo’s one, we can see Amhara’s Lemmas and Abies from nowhere in the EPRDF political radar.

            How on earth are we looking at things in isolation of all these factors. Don’t we realise the power of the security and intelligence, do not we see the power of the 100s of thousands Oromo youth who are waiting to see which way blows the wind next Sunday?

            I wish we spend more time on the scenarios after whoever PM comes and how will things play out and how can it affect Eritrea and the region at large.

            Sorry for the angry tone and the long Hateta as Mahmuday would like to call it.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Kbrom,
            It is good that you got angry. ልብ ያበጠው ንዴት ያወጣዋል. Very interesting analysis indeed, including new info on the COD of PMMZ, though you made it sound like Louis Dieudonne, the future Louis 14th hauled to the throne at the age of 4 with a council of regency at the detriment of his mother.
            Talking of mothers, happy imternational mother’s day!!!!!

          • Amde

            Selam Kbrom,

            Please .. a bit more of an angry tone is warranted. I was getting irritated at the unwarranted attacks on the man too, and God know i have never met him. You are absolutely right as to the capricious and fate-filled nature of how many leaders eventually end up on the seat.

            I actually don’t think his PMship is a done deal. The hot topic right now is OPDOexit (now that is a mouthful). The SOE was designed and is being executed at the Lemma wing of OPDO. They can’t really snuff out the qerro movement. The kids gave a big FU to the powers that be with the just completed three day shut-down. They (the qerro) are being led by people and groups that appear to be outside the country.

            As you so rightly stated, Dr Abiy offfers a unique combination for these times. IF EPRDF wants it. That is the key question.

            Personally, I thought Abbay Tshaye’s recent angry tirade, threatening to end EPRDF and even end Ethiopia into a suicidal mess, spoke a lot as to where the TPLF old guard is. They are beyond not ready. They are scared – looking at a compeletely wasted 27 years, where they did not reconcile anything that will survive them but will put Tigrayan in a ditch. I will hopefully put a few words together on this – what I call TPLF’s catastrophic success.

            In any case, me sense is a PM Dr. Abiy is a softer landing. Anybody else is bad. They might think it is power through bullying, but it is teh logical outcome of the PRDF system.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Selamat y’all:

            I like days like today when I begin the day with “I don’t understand!” Double the fun when I don’t understand two people I usually do. I don’t understand why Kbrom is mad at all. And I don’t understand why Amde is downplaying the transparent weirdness of Dr Abiy. So today promises to be an enlightening day.

            And…Kaddis is in town! Let’s hope his internet connection from Addis holds long enuff for him to tell us his favorite water molecules in Addis. And maybe he can tell us why is the gov kicking out even reporters so sane and balanced they were accused of being pro-gov?

            By the way, yesterday Jawar tweeted “I have been held incommunicado for 16 hours” by Facebook. He was telling his 56k followers that he may march to its headquarters in Menlo Park CA which would be terrible for my morning commute. Hey Jawar, can you do it on weekends? That way the random tourists who show up to get their pic taken in front of the thumbs up Facebook logo can take your pic too and it can all go telephatically to Dr Abiy via the water molecules of the Pacific Ocean.

            Saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            What is this “weirdness” you speak of. All I am saying is.. evidence of his apparent weirdness amounts to very little.

            He plagiarizes. He uses pseudoscience in his speeches. He self promotes. And good lord, he makes seductive speeches.

            In other words, your typical “western” politician.

            Not a typical gun-totting cadre, who has to hide mountains of killings and torture behind dogma and organizational speak.

            People that have anything worse on him need to say what it is specifically. And if EPRDF got him to this position all the time knowing he is a charlatan, then they deserve what they get.

            For me.. he’s good enough for the times.. I’d have preferred Lemma but ….

            On Jawar… that man is pure demagogue, he is excellent at what he does, and he is young. I shiver to think the years of chaos and resulting death we will endure from him yet. Maybe he will mellow down, or be swamped within a more robust political system. Our current system is very susceptible to people like him.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Amde,
            “He plagiarizes. He uses pseudoscience in his speeches.”
            I am saying these are very bad characters for a would-be leader. But go ahead belittle them. But give me the other things: what good things is he bringing to the table?

          • Amde

            Hi ንግስታችን,

            He maketh the Jawars and the Weyanes froth…

            Good enough for me.

            Haha…

            Honestly, I am not in the Abiy pitching business. He is good enough for the times.

            I am curious what you know that the rest of us don’t.

          • saay7

            Amde:

            I’ve been a liar, been a thief
            Been a lover, been a cheat
            All my sins need holy water, feel it washing over me ~~ Eminem

            Lucky for us all, Dr Abiye believes in the power of Holy Water Molecules to heal 😂. If this politics doesn’t work, he can always find a career as a televangelist/prophet.

            Amde, all the points you listed amount to “weird” if the man saying them is not some rural farmer who dropped out from middle school. They are from someone holding a PhD. He is so transparently phony he makes Lemma look authentic—and that’s saying a lot, no?

            I think Hayat headache is caused by one crucial fact: Ethiopia has a population of nearly 100 million. And this guy can’t possibly be the top of the heap, can he?

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            I am surprised at you as a great western politician analyst stumbling and being stumped. Where you see weirdness, I see a good western style politician. What is wrong for Dr. Abiye AHMED wanting a little holy water for a little insurance of success. Just from this little bit of info. I now think he is a survivalist too.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • saay7

            Haha Mr Kim:

            You and Amde have made the point that Dr Abiy is a Western-style politician. Agreed. The second half of western style campaigning is Western style reaction to the campaign. This includes talking up the candidates strength (as Horizon did yesterday: future-oriented politician inviting his constituency to leave behind the bitterness of history) or his weaknesses (as we are doing defining him serial plagiarist, pseudo science afdicinado with a very thin resume.) a sure sign of who is fumbling the debate is when you hear things like “only TPLF opposes him”, “only Jawarisrs oppose his candidacy.” Hintity hint hint 😀

            Saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Saay,

            I will and I must, for sake of unity, join my compatriots KH, Horizon, and Amde and wave my “Tigrayans for Abiy” placard, but since we are going western, I will add reason #5 too.

            Advantages:

            1. the experience of popular uprising forcing change
            2. he is young and he can learn and grow on the job
            3. vital lessons will be learned by the next OPDO PM
            4. a good chance he will calm the current avalanche
            5. he is handsome. Case closed.

          • saay7

            Fantiness:

            Very Fanti of you. So here’s my offer. We haven’t heard from Lemma fan-boy Eyob yet on his views re: Abiy. Since he has a fine-tuned instinct for always being wrong, I will take the exact opposite position of his 😀

            Also, your message to Hayat to send a message to Abi telepathically because she is a woman and according to him all women have telepathic powers is a gem. iSem is beating himself up for not thinking of it.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Who moi? Fan boy? To be honest, I prefer Lemma 1000 times than Abiy. Have you seen a video, where he dissed black Americans as people, who live in the past, love victimhood and complain too much? I would have post the video clip here, but awate rule prevents me, until the weekend. The guy sounds so right wing I was mistaking him for Pat Buchanan. 😀

            Anyway, I am holding my breath until Sunday, which I hope Demeke Mekonnen’s coronation to be the next PM. Then we’ll talk about the freak out from some folks online about Ethiopia having the first Muslim Prime Minster backed by some gulf newspapers “analysis” that they captured Ethiopia through their “religious brotheren”….. 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            There you have it folks: Eyob has doomed the chances of Demeke Mekonnen and its now official: it will be anyone but Demeke. 😀

            Saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            seni wo aman:-) Yea every Feb is Arabic and Tigryat month for me 🙂
            Not only did I beat myself now when Fanti beat me to it, I beat myself a few years ago when St.Fanti Ghana got the honorary Eritrean citizenship and the title. Then he beat me of his story about the survivor of Ona who relinquished his scholarship to Sirya when he heard the Arabic word for Slave and instead chose life in the refugee camp and he named his daughter Africa.

          • Amde

            Mr Kim,

            The healing water thing is from a book by a Japanese guy. Masaro Emoto I think.

            It is a staple of self help book sections, which is a popular genre in Addis among the english reading public.

            He is using it as a rhetorical device. Not to sell us water. Maybe he does believe it who knows… but he is not being considered for chief water minister. So if this is the worst they have on him …. its pretty weak.

            Amde

          • Amde

            ወይ ጉድ ጋሼ ሳይ፣

            I hate to break it to you and ንግስታችን ሀያት.

            This heap holds many who have the rhetorical skills and the exposure to reading somewhere between a dead fish and a struggling high schooler. Basically, the system rewards effectiveness in internal EPRDF intrigue. This man is being accused of being a Populist by an organization that has the word “People” in its name.

            If the heap can offer better let’s hear it. It knows it has collectively trasnformed itself into dried out kindling, living in fear of a spark.

            I will take the healing water pitching man over another nameless faceless cadre any day.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Hahaha Amde:

            But, is the dead fish called Wanda?

            I think you are merging all the criticism of the man into one argument and making us carry the burden for other people’s arguments. Within the EPRDF, the criticism of OPDO and its populist eruptions is “hey, are you part of the ruling coalition or are you an opposition? If you are part of the ruling coalition, we have our way of doing things and catering to the demands of your constituency is taboo. Look at us in TPLF ignoring Tigray for 26 Years! Learn! Rise over the passions of the day.”

            If you are just us, observing a politician, we are just treating him like any aspirant for a leader. And he makes it easy: sooo easy.

            But the part that you are underestimating is that my generation has never witnessed competitive elections in Ethiopia in our lifetime so we are saying our piece remotely knowing fully well that we say doesn’t amount to anything consequential. I don’t know if you appreciate what a big deal that is for my gen.

            Ethiopian politics is changing and people are expressing themselves more freely and caricaturing their leaders. I recently saw a pic of Hailemariam Desalegn and his lazy eye with the caption:

            ሁሉን በአንድ አይን የሚያዩ ደግ መሪ ነበሩ!

            I don’t know if you Abiyeists can handle that kind of criticism 🙂

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            Hahaha… That አንድ አይን line is great.

            If it was not for the tension and mayhem, the comedy created these past weeks has just been stellar.

            To be honest this whole saga is absolutely enthralling theatre, other than my daily terror of whether my family are OK. So put me in the jealous camp actually. This is the third changing of the guard in Ethiopian history in my lifetime and I keep missing them.
            It would be a positive change if EPRDF is filled with vain attention seeking people such as your typical US Congresscritter.

            I got to watch that Wanda movie again.

            Amde

          • Selam saay,

            Let me ask, if 350m americans could elect a guy like trump to rule the world, what is so unusual ethiopia wants to elect dr. Abiy?

            I can not comment on the video, because i do not have a fb account, and i was not able to see it. I was wondering who his audience was and in what contest he brought the subject of water molecules and holy water, and their healing power, from what i could understand.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Horizon,

            I like your “comparison argument”. Dr Abiy is by far sane and sound “would be leader” than the Trump presidency. There is no even comparison. The best argument of the day.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman-H; the system of the USA, so strong, let Trump, Semere Andom can be a president and still functions. How on earth would you compare it with Ethiopia?

          • saay7

            Horizon:

            A country of 350 million (America) elected Trump. And half of America (175 million) and the rest of the world population (7.6 billion including Ethiopians) have been mocking it.

            So by all means go ahead and elect your Trump; just don’t be surprised by the reaction to it:)

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde,

            As per wiki and looking at his resume, he was:

            Director General of the Ethiopian Science and Technology Information Center
            2013–2016
            Director of the Information Network Security Agency
            2007–2010

            It was revealed that Ethiopian Security Intelligence was using Italian software Galileo to hack opposition journalists.

            I don’t think this is unusual in realms of government spy agency but I think it happened under his watch (or may be with his supervision). If not for anything, he should be questioned if he was directly responsible and he needs to be questioned and made accountable and a sign what’s to come.

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Hi Berhe,

            I was watching live while his Wiki profile was created and being edited X times. This was two weeks ago.

            Since then there have been articles saying he wasn’t really the head of INSA. That his PhD was fake, then followed by photos allegedly of him being congratulated at his PhD defense by Abbadulla and Lemma. I have heard rumors he pulled a pistol on Debretsion, which I can’t tell if true or if a way of manufacturing street cred.

            If anything, the media campaign around Abiy deserves its own PhD.

            There used to be someone here posting under the name of አዲስ a while ago, and we agreed that change will not come from outside but from within the EPRDF system.

            I think it is immaterial what he did within the system. As a person on the outside, I would like to know, and as a person living in a western democracy, I would like to think we can hold people accountable.

            But that is a luxury which will probably take another generation. Remember politics is a privilege granted to EPRDF and its መሳፍንት.
            Abiy represents a small crawl

          • Nitricc

            Hi AMDE; “created and being edited X times” X= 56 times.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            I think the spying thing is a small problem even if he was responsible. My comments were, to question and making sure that it’s the best interest of the country that free media develops in the long term.

            To be honest, I am really surprised how things have turned for the better so far compared where they were few weeks ago after the resignation of the PM

            Since I heard his name, I think the focus has changed (instead of unknown territory where things will end), it’s taking shape towards smooth landing.

            I think this opportunity should not be wasted in search of the best candidate that comes. The post is only for two years, and if it calm things until the next election, I think it is a huge success.

            Berhe

          • Kbrom

            Dear Amde,

            Your presence in this forum is absolutely crucial, as you are the authority in the case of current Ethiopian situation. Thank you for the insightful analysis.

            Can you please shade on one essential but overlooked variable in the current equation – the Somali Regional State. What is the role and influence of the Somali Regional State, how could it act as the EPRDF watch dog and element of balance of power in the confrontation with the OPDO led new state of the play, how do you see the potential threat on both sides in the Ethiopia’s longest interior borders they share, is it true that the TPLF ordered to start the recent clash between the two states when the OPDO started to posture and step out of its allowed lines.

          • Amde

            Selam Kbrom,

            I beg of you on this “authority” business. Good lord. I don’t even have information.. just a perspective from public sources. I am just thrilled you are in this forum, where you actually offer both information and perspective.

            On the Somali Regional State:

            There is a reason the State was not called Ogaden, but has to resort to a hyphenated Ethio-Somali state. Basically, you can divide the population between Ogadenis and non-Ogadenis. Abdi Illey – the president – is an Ogadeni, brought in to tamp down ONLF. Being lucky, 9-11 happened, and his security portfolio by default includes protecting against al-Shabab. That gives him enormous clout, and he has been using it to make the Somali State an Ogadeni State, and the State Militia his personal army.

            Please read this as good backgrounder. http://www.somalilandpress.com/ethiopiathe-mad-mullah-21st-century-abdi-mohamed-omar-somali-regional-state-president/

            For years, Somaliland has been complaining of cross-(international)-border raids by the state Liyu police into Somaliland territory with nothing but polite indifference from the Ethiopian Federal authorities.

            I can certainly believe his threat to secede.. he has political monopoly and he has natural gas underground. But again, he would have the other Ethio Somali clans up in arms. And he would throw the very very fragile political architecture in Somalia into crisis. That would be many more years before resolution.

            The Oromo / Somali thing is sooo interesting. Somalis pride themselves on their genetic purity. But Oromos (or more properly Oromo language speakers) are a relatively recent draping over millenia of linguistic and genetic diversity. So you have Oromo and Somali clans living side by side and speaking almost mutually intelligible dialects of each other, but otherwise culturally almost identical.

            So on one side, you have a nascent Oromo nationalism. On the other you have an Ogadeni kingdom-in-the-making. If you took those frames away, what you have are nomadic clans who would otherwise be contesting grazing and water for their flock and that would be it. But you can see now how someone who routinely sends out his personal army against fellow Somalis would have absolutely no qualms about attacking non-Somalis. The number of displaced Oromo is astonishing. The UN finally reported a million. It is the nature of these reports that the Ethiopian government pushes back veeerrryy hard BEFORE they come out, so you can believe a million is a pretty accurate number. That scale of internal displacement cannot happen without the complete ignorance or complete incompetence of the Federal authorities. That leaves collusion or consent. I can guess at motive.

            The half-born, half-grown nature of EPRDF is a big contributor for the situation. Everybody knew that was where power was at. So why didnt it grow?

            1. More members means every existing members share gets diluted. Who would want that?
            2. What would be the basis for giving Ethio Somalis a fifth seat, when the Gurage and Sidama can claim and argue their numbers are equivalent. Messy…
            3. Keeping them off the EPRDF books means there can in effect be an off-the-books relationship that the other EPRDFites need not stick their nosey beaks into. Convenient..

            You see what I mean? EPRDF is weird. Theoretically, a quarter of a century after a constitition and ethnic federation, it should have added more parties, or combined into one, or split into more ideologically coherent pieces. Or any combo of the above. None of those have happened. It is weird.

            So barring that, Abdi Illey’s relationship to the powers that be is through the off-the-books relationship. That means through the military and those behind it.

            To sum up. Yes the State can play a very nasty spoiler role. Its political party is not bound by the rules of EPRDF.. whatever they are. It faces all the dilemmas of the would-be secessionists. Messy process. And a decidedly very hostile international climate to the creation of new still-born states along the Red Sea.

            Hope this helps.

            Curious/eager to get your feedback.

            Amde

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Gash Amde,

            Thanks for this helpful input to one of the questions Kbrom had raised, which was on my mind. Not only Somalis but other like the Afar, too. Our understanding of the complex situation and players would be incomplete without taking account of the forces outside the partners in EPRDF. In strategic political thinking and power calculations, geographical locations could give more weight to roles of smaller components than demographic ratios do.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Amde

            What a great and informative strategic analysis! I wish you would find time to refine and post it as an article in the front page. It helped me understand concisely the complex issue in that region, including the potential conflict and peace strategies.

            If my old memory is serving me well, the Ogaden issue was the cause of severance of diplomatic relations between Qatar and Ethiopia.

            In regard to the political trajectory, my understanding was a bit skewed to the other side; I thought Abdi, given his very close relations with the TPLF leaders in establishing the Liyu police, who don’t abide by any rules, and given his security background working with the EPRDF’s (TPLF’s) intelligence head quarter, he is the watchdog of the TPLF against the OPDO.

            Read for example to what the unofficial TPLF sourced/funded website, horn affairs, wrote today about Abdi at the time they are character assassinating Abie. The author sang to the tune of ‘it is amusing how only one president (H.E. President Abdi M. Omar) since the establishment of the Somali Region decided to redraft the way things are done, and made visible space for reputable individuals and the larger Ethiopian-Somali community to participate in the formation of an inclusive and progressive state and presidency.

            Whereas sources inform he is a psychopathic with a history of violence, that includes beating his own mother and sister and extreme power hunger.

            I did not buy his recent threat of session, in fact, I took it as a planted mission given to him by the EPRDF to show that Ethiopia is in a state of integration if things continue as they are and EPRDF is not allowed to continue as it is.

            Whichever way, the Ethiopian situation has reached to what politicians would like to call Uribus Teneo Lupum, where both doing nothing and doing something to resolve it has become equally toooo risky.

            I thank you for the great heads up!

          • Amde

            Selam Kbrom,

            Thank you and my absolute pleasure.

            I am curious. Do you work professionally in the “conflict and peace strategies” area?

          • Kbrom

            Dear Amde

            No I do not, my back ground is in UNESCO for nearly three decades; now I am retired, that is why you see me the whole day in the disqus:)

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            You are an amusing person who can explain Ethiopian politics too it’s smallest part,I mean let’s look for any meaningful information and we don’t get such informative views about EPRDF from T.kifle , eyob and others , would it be better if you throw an article to this forum ? I always try to follow all your comments but sometimes I miss out due to the the vast amount of comments. Amde , come on , write an article man .

          • Amde

            Hi blink,

            An article?

            Ha…

            1. I am not an expert in anything.
            2. I prefer my anonymity – precisely because I am a nobody.
            3. Who would the article be for? I am here because frankly the Awate team has created a wonderful (priceless even) space for discussion. Otherwise, I feel like a freshwater fish out in the ocean, braving the stings and arrows of saline depredation just to be able to swim among the whales. I am an old school Ethiopian dude.. I don’t think the Eritrean independence was necessary. I don’t think Ethiopia was an Amara shithole. I think Ethnic politics is a frog march to hell. There isn’t one article that will explain that and this place has a dogmatic consensus against all of this things.

            I do think however, that Awate should set up a page that would be a real-time-ish catalog of Ethiopian political events. Would make for good reading, but more importantly, it could be a place where important lessons offered by the Qerro movement could perhaps be learned and applied to how the PFDJ order can be challenged. If all people get out of what is happening is vicarious thrill out of seeing the Weyane squirm then it would be a stupendous waste. The motto is Inform-Aspire-Embolden after all. For all its Awate brand name, invariably Ethiopia related discussions clock much larger comment counts. This has been true for the last few years of my observation.

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            True most discussion about Ethiopia looks like take more time and many threads. May be it’s my own personal choice that I see your views very much to be fair and balanced. Your views on Eritrea independence goes old with time as it’s already gone for good and you are not alone, there are Eritreans who have such views . I think you are the only person who can actually say things as they are .

            As you know Eritrean opposition have no love lost to any Ethiopian opposition due to the weyane hand , that’s were your balanced take comes to play . I believe some kind of space to Ethiopian issues in this forum would be super nice for many reasons and it can actually bring some of my Ethiopian friends to the table and make the forum more attractive as well as lively. There are many Ethiopians from many corners who read awate forum but I couldn’t find them commenting in , with your participation I think it can have an effect. Any way your time in this forum is educational and I personally thank you for that.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Amde,
            You mentioned two powerful points among others:

            1. That you do not think Eritrean independence was necessary.

            For people like me, who went through hell and back under Successive Abyssinian rulers, it was necessary even if it was the last think we did. However, independence was a means to liberate the people and preserve their dignity and security. The main ingredients of independence—freedom and justice have remained an illusion. But that doesn’t change anything, it just makes our journey longer. Yet, we are not (myself and my lines) people who should be in a perpetual war and enmity to get a meaning for our lives, like the PFDJ and it’s likes.

            2. You find the discussions here mostly about Ethiopia.

            And that is our problem. The never-ending Abyssinian rivalry in which the TPLF and PFDJ are entangled. I also wonder why my compatriots worry too much about Ethiopia when our own house is in fire! There!!! It’s the ancient obsessive rivalry that informs and influences our views.

            The moment Ethiopians recognize the injustices that led to our revolt and eventually to independence, we will be good neighbors without thinking too far into the future.

            And the moment my compatriots recognize the Eritrean mission of existence is not PFDJ TPLF rivalry (which I consider inter-Abyssinian rivalry) we will be fine.

            Until that happens, I lose a drop of blood that boils when I read endless focus on weyane and TPLF when the PFDJ is wreaking havoc in my beloved country and oppressing my proud people. And any one who elongated the suffering, is a culprit

          • Amde

            Selam Memhir,

            Sorry, if I offended. I also do not want to abuse your hospitality. I thought I had answered this Eritrean independence question so many times in this forum before. I had said that too many people have died and out of respect for them and the pain of their families, I consider it a done chapter. Believe me, I am not here to re-litigate the whole thing. When did you ever see me push that on anyone here?

            I don’t think what we have is just an inter-abyssinian rivalry. We have single party hegemonies in our respective sides of the border.

            I don’t think I can explain my frame if mind right now as to what is

          • Saleh Johar

            Ato Amde,
            This is your place like everybody else. It’s not a narrow party 🙂 you do not have to apologize for expressing your views respectfully. And that is what many need to learn—avoid unnecessary provocations. You are very good at keeping your comments civil. Please y sweat and my reply was not a knee jerk reaction…just a common comment.

          • Amde

            Well Disqus is nuts,

            I thought i lost this post and wrote another version.. hmmmm..

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Saleh

            I am sorry if I came across as insensitive and disrespectful. You have given me more honor than I deserve and I cherish that honestly.

            I think I should have refined my response to blink by adding what I have always said on this issue. I have said that irrespective of what i think of the issue, out of respect to the dead and their families, this is a closed chapter. And truth be told, I hope my record here is clear on pointing out for Ethiopians that we were basically clueless of the number and extent of destruction of the war especially on the lowland inhabitants.

            I have a different opinion on what ails us now. Whatever were imposed as correctives at the time are sources of problems today. We live in a strange time. We all expect the values of human rights, democracy and rule of law to be central in our politics. But those are not what we have now, and we can’t blame the King or the Derg. We have organizations that operate with complete control over their subject’s lives. This is what we have to live with. It is not an Eritrea or Ethiopia issue.. we collectively have similar problems. From my point of view, i think the authoritarianism is tolerable, except I am afraid it is simply laying the ground work for communal violence and even genocide.

            Gash Saleh, I don’t like the seething resentments in Ethiopia. Believe me it is very very real. The word petrified is probably not too much in describing how I feel. What we have going on now is not an “election”, but exercises in how to tame a tsunami. Some people get it, some absolutely dont see it. I would rather be on the severely deluded and wrong side. But I don’t think so, and so I won’t apologize for condemning the ethnic policy and totaliatarianism that are driving it to extremes in tandem. To me it is utter cluelessness to argue whether one credible safety path is plagiarising or pseudo scientific. Anybody not affiliated to the ruling class can tell you how things are in Ethiopia right now.

            What you are saying is – please don’t do the condemning here because it is not an Eritrean problem. I disagree to be honest, because at root the problems are about one party dominations. But out of respect to you, I will take a sabbatical.

            Many Thanks,

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Oh Amde,
            Never believed, never said that. Bring anything to your hearts content. People can bring any topic as long as it is done with respect. I just expressed my disappointment that my compatriots would rather discuss Ethiopian olitics at the expense of our burning house. If it was as a second priority, I wouldn’t mind it. But to be obsessed and hyper on Ethiopian situation and be apologetic on Eritrean issues (eritrean commentators) is what I mentioned. And in passing. Otherwise, condemn the Fuji island, Poland or any other country here. I have no problem with that. I wish you stand corrected 🙂

            Thank you sir.

          • Beyan

            Kbur SGJ,

            You’re right on the mark on this, SGJ. The part I cannot fathom for the life of me is this: Other than for intellectual exercise, why would Eritreans preoccupy themselves on Ethiopia than they would about their own backyard is beyond me. Granted, it is their prerogative. I have made my peace with Ethiopia when it gave its bonafide nod to Eritrea’s independence, save the subsequent war of 1998 – 2000 and the no-war-no-peace position it has taken, which creating more problems to it than to our menace at the helm of power in Eritrea. But, Ethiopia does what Ethiopia deems fit to serve its own interest.

            The rest, as far as I am concerned, Ethiopia ought to be a case study for us to envy its people for managing to undergo transitional phase, as Gedab News aptly put it, in its “third republic”. Its system of governance, granted, has a lot of room for improvement like any system of government, no matter where in the world, does. Their system of governance has been tested on three potentially volatile stages: (1). When TPLF went barreling all the way to the Capital in 1991, they managed to stabilize the nation; (2). When Meles Zenawi was deceased, they managed to transition power without a hitch; (3). Now, they are being tested, yet again, through another transitional phase of handing power from one cabinet minister to another. If that’s not a success story I don’t know what is. Of course, this is not to suggest that it doesn’t have any problems, it does, but it seems to find a way of managing these hurdles and continues to come out swinging on the other end of it.

            By the way, I realize, I may be stepping on somebody’s toes here as I honestly did not follow the discussions one bit. This one got my attention, because, when rarefied individuals like SGJ and sneeze, I catch the cold just like Mahmoud did when he saw Ahmed Raji’s input in a different thread. So, my curiosity got the best of me. At any rate, what’s happening in Ethiopia is something that one should envy. When Ethiopian government releases prisoners in the thousands, the regime is imprisoning Eritreans as young as 9 to 10-year-old and men and women as old as 80 to 90-year-old as late as a week ago. So, there, I rest my case.

            Cheers,

            Beyan

          • iSem

            Hi Beyan:
            First thank you for making the debate between me and BY academic : synchonorus and asynchromos.
            Now I agree we should envy Ethiopia but when we go beyond that, he who doe snot envy should not be born, I disagree that we should not ignore Ethiopia, although we must use judgment to set our priority. Why do Canadian university have American studies program, it i beyond intellectual curiosity, it to produce citizens and professionals who understand USA to char policies. Not only do
            we should debate and discuss Ethiopia, we should establish Ethiopian studies program in free Eritrea
            I am sure many who invoke Ethiopia in our debates is not out of the blue, our past are intertwined, our present is mingled and our geography is inseparably connected. Most often than not TPLF and Woyane are invoked because those who we debate against bring them by ignoring the plight of our country and we bring them to compare and constrast and hence our envy. But as SGJ alluded to some bring them to distract, you see how many ppl they gunned down
            Our friend Sal long time ago made a good point when he wrote that the Palistine cause was hurt in the west because their spokes BEOBLE did not communicate well, and he went on to say that altough the Israelites although pronounce their Rs hard they were better spokes PEOPLE. Taking that smart analogy further, Israel studies Arabs and their culture and language, I heard a couple of their foreign ministry spokes men speak Arabic fluently and the Arabs will not even touch the Jewish language and culture with 7ft pole. Eritreans should study Tigray, Ethiopia, they should speak Tigrinya the way they speak it and not make fun of it, this way we can build policies and relationships and diplomacies that benefit us. And the same with Sudan

          • Saleh Johar

            iSem,
            Just a tip you overlooked. Many present-day Israelis were born and raised in Morrocco, Iraq, Iran, Tunisia, Egypt, etc. Some are only second-generation Israelis.

            Also, Israel has close to 2 million Arabs (Palestinians) who represent close to a quarter of the total population of Israel. But still, you are right–to the Arabs, such projects are considered not strategic or important.

            On the other issue, after all these years, we can tell who brings Weyane-TPLF-Ethiopia to either tow the PFDJ line or to distract the debate. Those who do it with class are in fact serving an educational purpose. It’s the empty sloganeering to hide the PFDj sympathy that is annoying…

          • Amde

            Saay,

            Had to give you an upvote for “Selamat y’all” as well..

          • Kbrom

            Ya Sediqna Alaziz,

            It was in mid 70s; I was honoured to accompany a delegation led by the great Osman Saleh Sabe, who was visiting one of the Emirates. (I can hear you Mahmuday saying ኣንታ ምስዞም ናይ እኒእኒ ሰባት ዲና ንውዕል ዘሎና).

            Anyways, the meeting with the official took half an hour in which Osman elaborated the Eritrean case, the objectives of the Eritrean Forces Liberation Fronts (ህሓሓኤ), and finally, using his refined diplomatic skills asked for financial and logistical support. The emir was saying Inshaallah, Inshaallah, khier.

            When we were leaving the office the emir said to Osman ‘tahiyatna lishaeb’l sumal, Belq salami ela fakamet raes Mohammed Barre (my greeting to the people of Somalia, please pass my regards to president Mohamed Siad Barre(.

            Once we left the office and entered the lift, or as we call them those days – the ascenseurs, Osman said I was not articulated enough, we said no you were very articulated, then he asked was he listening to me, one of us said his ears were open not sure about his hearts. Later we knew the person has some drag habits.

            OK you proverbed but what have you brought says Haile’s style of translation – መሲልካ’ሞ እንታይ ኣምጺእካ።

            This is what I brought:

            After all those detailed posts from Amde and myself saay asked us tahiyati li ustaz Abie Ahmed,

            Maybe 1) we were not articultaed 2) saay did not read our posts as they were too long and boring and 3) God forbid he is under the influence of LA’s drug.

            Whatever the reason እዚ saay ዝገበሮ ኣእምሮ ሙግዳእ ኢየ ዝብሎ ኣነ።

            Saay challenged Amde and Kbrom to say ‘here are 27 reasons why he should, must, will be the next PM without denying the obvious’.

            Ok let me try on behalf of Amde and myself one more time in a short statement.

            All the 27(mine) +27(Amde’s) = 54 reasons are absolutely not related to Dr, Lt Colonel, Founder of Ethiopia’s Cyber Intelligence Yetekeberu Abie Ahmed. That was the essence of my post. I would not put the 54 points now because I do not want you to say Tahiyatna and make my efforts futile, I will put them only if you think we are on the right direction.

          • saay7

            Ato Kbrom:

            In the infamous words of IA ሕጂውን ትጋገ ኣለኻ 😀

            1. I was trying to understand why you were mad. I don’t think you have told us yet. Were you mad that our analysis of Ethiopian politics was wrong? But that wouldn’t be a reason to be mad but to educate us.

            2. I also didn’t understand why Amde was uncharacteristically, um, heated that we were making fun of a plagiarist who was talking about water molecules. But to his credit at least Amde told us that his H20 molecule talk is part of all the self-help books prevalent in Addis, which makes Abiye a fadist on top of being a plagiarist and alchemist. But, he is young and handsome and knows how to ride the ethno coattails designed by EPRDF? This is a compliment? As the Egyptians say after demolishing someone, “Bas hua ibn Halal”. (In the US Southernerns have a killer phrase reserved for such occasions “bless his heart!”)

            3. I think ever since I read Rene Lefort (one of the many journalists/analysts the Ethio gov kicked out) I have been recommending an OPDO/ANDM dominates gov to stabilize the country. The was a lot of pushback then at this forum from every single Ethiopian and Hayat that that would be the center marginalizing the peripheries. I still hold that that is the best formula. But I remained extremely underwhelmed by the two more famous leaders of OPDO; and ANDM has been quiet. I was only half joking when I said Abiye is the Revenge of TPLF by way of saying “you want us to share power? Fine! You have seen how the chairman of one party (Hailemariam Desalegn) did? Now look at these two lightweights: Lemma and Abiye.”

            So seriously Abiye list of accomplishments starts with Cybersecurity?

            Saay

          • Kbrom

            saay

            In the infamous words of IA ፈውዳ ኻላቓ ኢየ ዝብሎ ኣነ ዕግርግር ጽሑፍ ፈጢርካ ነቲ ዕግርግር ተመሓድሮ።

            OK, this is our difference.

            You, your excellency, are saying/assuming Ethiopia is in a process of power transfer by design
            I am saying a de facto situation created by Qero is governing the situation; EPRDF is trying to adjust to the environment if possible with maximum casualties
            You, your excellency, are saying/assuming EPRDF is in a process of election
            I am saying EPRDF is in a process of obeying to the situation that can not defeat it but is struggling to the last minute to stay in power
            You, your excellency, are saying/assuming EPRDF will elect a chairman in the way that the Social democrats in Scandinavian countries do
            I am saying the EPRDF will SELECT under the first and foremost principle of whose face will reduce the tension
            You, your excellency, are saying/assuming the PM will be the result of the personalities competency
            I am saying the candidates has nothing to do, they are the result of the king makers decision
            You, your excellency, are saying/assuming the four orgs are stakeholders and decision makers
            I am saying there are several stakeholders outside the EPRDF machinery which have the upper hand in deciding the fate of the PM, including the security and intelligence, the external powers specially US that sees Ethiopia as anchor state, (read Rex W. Tillerson’s comment on state of emergency in support of EPRDF), the unofficial but powerful group of Aboy Sebhat.
            IMPORTANT TIP: the main reason that led to Azeb Mesfin’s outburst in the recent TPLF congress was when Azeb said there is another organisation within our organisation because certain people are making all the discussions and decisions before we come to the congress hence this congress is meaningless’.
            You, your excellency, are saying/assuming Dr Abie’s ቁጽይጽይ and public relation exercises has meaning
            I am saying he is irrelevant/relevant depending on what the king makers think about him and decide (BTW it is said US favours him)
            You, your excellency, are soooooo obsessed with Dr Abies social media activities, speeches, pseudosciences, plajiarism, charlatanism, molecule, substance – some people even followed how many times his CV was edited – sad!
            I am saying (was mad in that part) if you know the selection is not by merit and has nothing to do with his designation or dismissal why you spent so much of your precious time on trivial issues.
            You, your excellency, are not saying why all these campaign against him/ what is the push factor, who is behind it, why does that matter,
            I am asking all those questions
            You, your excellency, are not talking about the ethnic politics
            I am saying the next election is about which ethnic group should/should not be the PM

            et la liste sans fin de notre différence, continue encore et encore et encore et encore

          • saay7

            Selamat Kbrom:

            Ah, so! Well, even if I said all the things you are saying I said, that is still no reason to get mad. And it’s even less so when I didn’t say any of them 😀. (And what’s all this your excellency stuff). Ok let’s try it again but I will not go a point by point for the sake of the readers sanity but deal with them by categories:

            1. Is Ethiopia’s power transfer forced or systematic/designed
            2. Scandinavian democracy
            3. Kingmakers and electors
            4. The amazing Dr Abiy and his reume
            5. Ethno politics
            6. Azieb, Hailemariam Desalegn and other my sources told me stuff.

            Here we go and JumaA Mubarek

            1. So far, Ethiopia’s power transfer is peaceful and systematic. The youth created the conditions that led to the PM to resign? Good for them: Ethiopia has now joined the long list of countries where civil disobedience is leading to change. Since you are a contemporary of Osman Saleh Sabbe you will also remember that the overthrow of Haile Selasse was also triggered by civil disobedience (of course back then it was people organkxatied by profession and not ethnicity: youth, taxi drivers, soldiers) and there was no institution ready to assume power except the military and now there is a system in process: political parties, parliament and constitution. You can’t point out to its imperfection and claim that it doesn’t exist (if that’s what you are saying.). System: there is a constitution which means whatever happens is until the 2020 elections; the state of emergency had to be voted on by a parliament; the next PM will come from within the EPRDF: the exec committee meets this Sunday followed by the Council. We will get to the “secret party” etc when we get to the Azieb part of this.

            2. We agree there is no Scandinavian style democracy so I don’t know why you brought that straw-man argument. Was it fun knocking it down?

            3. Kingmakers and electors: ok, who are these kingmakers? You can’t be mad at us for not knowing something and then not tell us. There is the ever-listed Aboy Sebhat. Then what? Langley? Fukuyama? The trilateral commission? The Illuminati? The Free Masons? Tell us so we can adjust our arguments.

            4. Dr Abiy and his resume: Nobody cared what the good doctor thought, believed or said when he was the vice chair of OPDO. But now that he is a serious candidate for the premiership, he is being rightfully scrutinized with emphasis on, rightfully, his character. The reason is obvious: even if you believe that the prime minister position is entirely powerless and dark forces control things, he will have some power—-and thus the scrutiny. How often his CV is being updated on Wikipedia was mention by Amde (so don’t be “sad”) and it’s a fairly common phenomenon in Wikipedia when nobodies become somebody. Or try to be.

            5. I don’t know anyone who has commented in this forum or any forum anywhere in the world doesn’t know that the key consideration in the Ethiopian election is: what shall be the ethnicity of the next PM. But this ethnicity will present itself in the shape of a carbon-based human. And so far, unless a dark horse emerges, the names floated for the “right” ethnic groups (OPDO and ANDM) are dr Abiye and Demeke Mekonnen (by Addis Standard and by Eyob yesterday who probably writes for them.) So where’s our difference here?
            6. The rise and fall of Azieb: like every political party anywhere in the world, the TPLF has factions and. Azieb, who had been on the winning side for long, lost in the last TPLF CC meeting. I don’t know why this is relevant to our discussion. I tend to prefer discussing things based on publicly available info because the “my sources tell me” tends to be contradictory. I think in two consecutive posts you emphatically told us PMHD resignation was of his own free will and unplanned and/or that he was made to resign by the dark forces. So which one is it?

            saay

          • Kbrom

            Dear dear dear saay

            The more we exchange information the more things are becoming obscure. I am sure you have come across some diplomatic negotiators when they say ‘damn it what you are trying to do is obscurum per obscurius.

            I have tried to elaborate what I understand is your understanding, but that did not help. This time I will narrow the scope to what I understand to what is happening and I will leave it to you where is our difference.

            The time line and events seem as follows:

            a) Dissatisfaction of some ethnic group against the domination of TPLF – b) people upraised c) The Oromo grass root, hence OPDO became the significant and decisive one d) OPDO has the chance to own the change and be part of the people or be part of EPRDF and subdue the change e) that makes any OPDO leader a prime candidate in both scenarios f) Abie and Lemma et al. came as a result of this and less personal efforts or achievements f) EPRDF is trying to address the national calamity – weighing several strategies mainly packed in two categories f.1 control the situation as it has done in 2005 -2007 f.2 make changes (or appearing so) in the power sharing and give the post of pm to Oromo g) EPRDF does not decide all this alone; in fact when we say EPRDF we do not mean the EPRDF that all people know by its façade we mean the power houses, the guidance they get from big powers etc. h) with in that context I do not understand why we are talking about Abie when we know that his upcoming would not be the result of his competence and is is simply the result of the f.1 and f.2.

            Next post will be on why I beg to differ on the 6 points you posted. ( I opted to put them in two posts, as I felt long posts are becoming difficult to our readers.

          • Kbrom

            Dear saay

            Now to the 6 points

            #1 I beg to differ: Ethiopia’s power transfer is NOT peaceful and systematic as you put it. There is no national system. For example you said the state of emergency had to be voted on by a parliament; which parliament Mr saay? the 100% rigged and owned by the TPLF? Yes, the EPRDF has done a lot in terms of Economic, social and diplomatic achievements; but when it comes to power sharing the gap is not too big when you compare it with the Monster in our country. The difference is our Monster says ምርጫ ዝበሃል የለን ተደሊኽን ወርሒ ኪዳ but TPLF would say election is enshrined in our constitution please be part of the political process and then ንህወሓት ክትኣልያ ትሓስባ ተደሊኽን ወርሒ ምኻድ ይሕሸክን but ብልቦም። Listen to recent statements by Abay Tsehaye.

            #2 No it was not fun, I mean it because you are treating the election and upcoming changes as if it equals Scandinavian style democracy.

            #3 In regard to king makers, I was referring that the process and decision of power transfer is the result of many stakeholders. Are you telling me that it is decided by the natural democratic process in the 180 strong EPRDF council? what about the external forces, the power balance, the negotiations and discussion behind the screen, most importantly what would be the terms of the peoples demand before they stop the public up rising.

            #4 Fair enough. My difference in here is the combination of #1 #2 #3. What I am saying is let alone his CV the fate of him as a flesh and bone is subject to other people’s decision, since he does not have any power or input to be or not be, to assume or not assume the post of PM, why is it important to talk about CV and behaviours. You would expect these scrutiny in Germany, Sweden etc. but not in Ethiopia. If he is to become PM he will be only if the council decides the position should be given to Oromo, hence if he assumes power it will be the result of him being an Oromo not being a fake or genuine Phd.

            #5 My difference is this: why do you see #4 as important issue if we agree on #5

            #6 . You told me ‘you emphatically told us PMHD resignation was of his own free will. Please please re read my post please. In our culture if some one very knowledgable tells you something you did not say, they ask you to recite ካባኻ ዝልብም ኪጋገ ከሎ መሬት ቆንጢ።

            I really really struggled to understand you in this point, for the following two reasons.

            a) On Azieb and the recent congress. I can’t imagine how can you miss my point and consider it as irrelevant when I was trying to give you a live example. When I talked about TPLF congress and Azeb I was trying to make a point that if the king makers do such a thing to the organisation and the people they say እኛ በኛ then you can imagine what shadow structures they will create in the fragile coalition that they think እኛና እነርሱ.
            b) On PMHD resignation, please read again my posts I said the following
            1) Three weeks before the resignation of PMHD I posted that PMHD is planning to resign because as religious’ person he did not accept what is happening in Ethiopia. ( the info I had at that time)
            2) When I was updated I posted that he was forced to resign
            3) I repeated # 2 again and again because I know that PMHD was asked to leave the post and not a volunteer resignation.
            4) If you want to see my comments are proved to be correct you can read the kingmakers interview with BBC. Since plagiarism has become a buzz word let me quote unquote as it is what the BBC said.
            ‘’ አቦይ ስብሓት፥ ንቀዳማይ ሚኒስትር ሃ/ማርያም ደሳለኝ ካብ ስልጣኖም ንክወርዱ ዝሓተተ ስራሕ ፈፃሚት ደኢህዴን ኣድኒቖም። “ተማሂሮም ኣምሂሮምና” ብምባል፥ እቲ ውድብ ኣብ ካልኦት ውድባት’ውን እንተኾነ አወንታዊ ፅልዋ ከምዘሕዳረ ይገልፁ።

            Now enjoy your Friday night

            ‘I don’t wanna be your Monday morning heading back to work
            Stuck in traffic going slow, nothing on the radio
            I don’t wanna be another chore to check off on your list
            Of things you gotta do and places that you gotta go, oh no
            I wanna be your Friday night sweet ride
            Summertime sunshine barefoot in the moonlight’

            By Eric Paslay not mine ኣብ ዘመነ ፕላጂያሪስም ነብስካ ኣይተሕስም

          • Amde

            Bless you sir. Respect!

          • saay7

            Selamat Kbrom:

            To the points (if two awatistas say “stop! We are tired of this!” I will stop):

            1. The Ethiopian parliament is dominated by EPRDF (a fact we commented on at great length here in the 2015 elections) and by system I mean this: the next Prime Minister is not going to be some general, some rebel pushing from Eritrea, somebody from Semayawi, dimtsachn ysema, or any power from outside the EPRDF dominated parliament. The person will have a limited term (18-20) and this person will be most likely from OPDO or ANDM. And, this is crucial, the person will have been agreed to by the 36-member Executive Committee of EPRDF. And given the ever-improving Ethiopian media, we are very likely to hear how the result came about. This I call a system. And there is zero point zero similarity with what we have in Eritrea.

            .

            #2 Scandinavia has independent political parties who compete for votes by campaigning to the electorate who vote for them. The EPRDF PM electors are the EPRDF legislative arm. You can’t keep making comparisons I didn’t make just to rebut the comparison. That is classic case of straw man argument.

            #3 Can you be more specific about the king makers? It’s not a trick question: I really want to know. I am of the view that the people who will have the final say on who will be the PM are the EPRDG legislative arm. If you believe I am wrong, please explain why and be more specific.

            #4 Abiye became the chairman of OPDO because, traditionally, its the chairman of an EPRDF-member party who also happens to be an MP who becomes a PM. Why else would OPDO demote Lemma? Isn’t it because he is a regional governor and not an MP?This suggests that OPDO wants to field Abiy as its candidate for PM? So what’s all this talk about making him sound like a powerless leaf in the sky being blown this way and that way by the wind? He is being scrutinized because it’s the sudden maneuver that thrust him to the stage. (He doesn’t have the benefit of HD who was being groomed by Meles for some time. He is not the Deputy PM, he is not the Foreign Minister and he is not the defense minister. Thus the scrutiny.

            God bless you for having sources who update you and get you revise your assessment. I am just saying I don’t put much stock into it and I don’t want you to be mad when I write with the assumption that what is leaked is often wrong. And I will post your post on the resignation of HD because it was written with Semere Tesfaish emphasis of listen-to-me-I-am-right-on-this. (Hi Semere!)

            Lastly, I don’t think I ever remember agreeing with Hayat Adem on anything but she has been very clear-eyed on this. If you guys keep wondering “why so much focus on Abiy”: just pretend he is from TPLF and not OPDO. What would have been your reaction?

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            “If you guys keep wondering “why so much focus on Abiy”: just pretend he is from TPLF and not OPDO. What would have been your reaction?”

            If Tigray was aflame… put this guy in this chair ASAP.

            If Tigray was NOT aflame… a smooth character, trying to be a pioneer media savvy politician of the TV and Digital age. Maybe meh… but at least a break from the gun-toting history.

            Context matters.

            Amde

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            I am imagining the conversation here next week. I am praying to God that Sal is not going be gurawun anchilwum.. 🙂 I think EPRDF will surprise us by picking someone or elevating Demeke to the PM office….I got my money on him. Is there anyone willing to bet?… 😉

          • Amde

            Selam Eyob,

            I tend to think Demeke makes most sense, but who knows.

            እንዴት ነው ይሄ የደመቀን ማድመቅ ነገር…

          • Kbrom

            Selam Eyob and Amde

            Aboy Sebhat has made it clear that he is frustrated with Abies high profile movement by saying “ንስካ ትሐሽ ንስኻ ትሓሽ” ተባሂሉ ‘ምበር፥ “ኣነ ይሓይሽ ኣነ ይሓይሽ”፥ “ካብዚ ብሄር ካብዚ ብሄር” ዝበሃል ክኹርከም ዘለዎ፥ ክቕተል ዘለዎ አተሓሳስባ እዩ’

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kibrom,

            Translation please. We’re short of ትግርኛ over here… 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde,

            I had a solid position until now but you and Eyobai gave me something to think about.

            If they elect Demeke PM and Abiye as vice PM do you think that will calm Quero until the next election?

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            The choice is between four people. Namely: Muhamood Sherifo, Petros Solomon, Haile DuruE or Jeranimo Nati. No Fantinaion, I ain’t high if you are asking. Precisely the reason not only the above mentioned names are anachronistic in terms, it is even a taboo to ask the question as in who is it gonig to be in the first place. Simply because, in a country called Eritrea, there is only one choice—-the choice of extraordinary terpid fear.

            On the other side of the isle however, in 1976, something extraordinary happened. Young men and women set out to change the course of a nation for better where altruism and self- sacrifice ruled the zeigheist. And they gave us four choices: Abeyi, Mekonnen, Shiferaw or Siraj where none of them ever experienced the dread of war. Poor TPLF as Hayat put it, it gave Ethiopia the luxury of choices between personalities for the highest office and what it got in return is contempt and derision What a pity!

            P.S. Eyobai, I am with you. It is going to be Mekonnen even though he is a bad choice but much better than Abeyi.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Dr. Paulos,

            Welcome back!

            What a season. We are victims of our own system. We are in a very important trailblazer moment for the future direction of the country. There is a hint of transformation from an EPRDF verses everybody else into groupings of like minded entities. It is still shaky, but if we are lucky and that transformation takes root, then we will be out of the woods for good.

            Under normal circumstances and especially looking outside-in, Abiye may not look the best Ethiopia have to offer, but this is not Oromiya’s making. If anything else it is an indication that EPRDF has out lived its usefulness. We need a fundamental reform to enable the people to choose from their bests.

            Having said that, given our history and centuries long neglect, abuse, and marginalization Oromos suffered coupled with the recent killings, arbitrary arrests, and land grabs, Oromiya needs to be addressed stat.

            Abiye’s sudden appearance is coincidental. His personal prowess as a leader is not as important as the symbolism he represents. Ethiopia needs to tell her Oromo children that she hears their cries and there is no other way to do that but to give them a leader better suited to understand their pain. There is no guaranty that Abiye will, but even the perception of it is enough for now.

            The one thing most Ethiopians, opposition and supporters alike, agree about or at least they don’t butt heads about, is the federal law. Except for some minor modification requests here and there, everyone seems to have settled with and accepted the impartiality and inclusiveness of the draft.

            We have a solid constitution, we have a good chance of transitioning into an all inclusive political system, and provided we play it fair the next couple of years, we have time.

            Go Abiye!

          • blink

            Dear Fanti
            Ethiopia needs to hear the Oromo children ,come on , Oromo is 40% of Ethiopia and if you add the symptoms of we too from Amhara we are talking over 60% . Who is going to give to who ? Aren’t you looking the Oromo from a very high steps of the ruling party?

            A good constitution ? Are you talking about trump? Many people in Amhara and Oromo will disagree with you If you are talking about EPRDF made constitution, oh your gods help the people. The military take over will not support your claim , the constitution was transpased many times by the owners ( TPLF ) .

            The fact that a let.colenel will take power through a military coup to sustain the TPLF designed ruling tells every thing.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat blik,

            I see how it can be viewed as looking high to low, but whatever we have in our country is a result of our collective effort or lack thereof. That means that even the Oromos or Amharas or anybody else cannot be totally blameless for current ills. It only differs in degrees.

            The making of our constitution involved as many Ethiopians as could be expected and perhaps for that reason alone has been the least contentious aspect of EPRDF.

            I have witnessed many opposition and other demonstrators complain about aspects of the law not being implemented as stated or being ignored altogether, but I haven’t met anyone relevant enough in Ethiopian affairs arguing against or opposing the constitution.

            It is true that there are some Ethiopians who despise article 39, but it will take many more years of discussion and evaluation before it can be changed. You take that out and you will have equally as many if not more who will be dissatisfied. The good news is that it does not affect people’s day-to-day issues for anyone to worry about today.

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantinaion,

            Thank you. It is great to be back. I wonder if this is the “Third Weyane Revolution” as in Salsai Weyane where by any conceivable measure, the Front is walking the talk when it purged, reprimanded where only two of the power to be came out intact. The Front recognized that it was rotten to its very core and set out to reinvent itself. The drastic measure taken by the Fron put tremendous pressure on the other Fronts and resulted in the resignation of the PM. If that was not a revolution from with in, not sure what is. I was in Ethiopia when the PM announced his resignation and what followed was not massive demonstration and mayhem but a business as usual sort of thing. Why one may ask? The extraordinary social and economic transformation stood as a testament to defy the stigma of a typical African nation. Ethiopia proved the world wrong! And why would the majority of people whose lives have been transformed for better flash it out the drain? Oromia, Amara and the other regions are better off precisely because Weyane gave them a choice between progress and regress and the people know better to opt for the former where narrow ethnic nationalism loses its meaning regardless if it is going to ride on the back of Abeyi or Demmeke.

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            I wish they had something credible in place about your last phrase “the next election” before they throw out personalities.

            Otherwise the existing context is the SOE.

            So, within that context, the choices are distilled between

            1 – the qerro appeasement candidate (Abiy)
            2 – the King-makers insurance candidate (Demeke as of now)

            EPRDF cenral is loath to be seen as doing anything by being forced from the street.
            The Qerro has graduated to the point where they have become the largest factor on who can be called PM. The OPDO is incidental.

            I think the Demeke/Abiy combo would be very bad:

            a) communicates that there is not a team at the top but two irreconcilable factions,
            b)implies EPRDF has not figured out the problem and a path forward, and is thus just buying time
            c) would re-inforce the view by the Oromo of being disrespected – nobody knows what the deputy PM does.

            So, methinks actually a ticket to throw more gasoline to the fire.

            Amde

            PS. I do not know why they (TPLF) constantly diss your fellow Rayan General Tsadqan. He has been out front in offering a path forward. I thought his last proposal, from just a couple of months ago, was realistic, and would have been a perfect context for the exact ticket you propose to succeed.

          • Alex

            Hi Amde,Sal and Kbrom,
            Let we assume Dr Abiy become PM of Ethiopia. Do you guys think he has the power to make fundamental change in Ethiopia. Plus can the powerful chief of staff Samora Yunis and security chief getachew assefa will listen to his order or like now they are the ones that will have the final say. If the answer is that he will not have all the power then why are we spending time arguing who will be the PM if he will be another PMHD.

          • saay7

            Alex:

            I think we all agree that OPDO and to some extent ANDM are jumping to lead a movement they had nothing to do with creating. And for reasons not clear to me, a person who is part and parcel of the system they are rebelling against became a great unifying force for the rebels. That would be Lemma. The youth have shown (since the Addis Master Plan brouhaha which started the proto movement) that they are willing to face live bullets, prison, death for their cause. You add a cause to willingness to sacrifice for a cause to leader you respect (Lemma: again, for reasons I can’t begin to understand), then yes one man with a lot of leverage can make a lot of change. And knowing this, the status quo would have to do everything in their power to stop that from happening.

            The most likely outcome is one of Rene Lefort scenario: the EPRDFites create a perfect stalemate: the country doesn’t solve its problems but things don’t get worse. Kick the can to 2020. Then expand the franchise to bring in the Somali Ethiopians, the Forums, and every other disgruntled party by changing the electoral process. Get meto be meto to 75% and u got yourself a slow moving train: sure it’s same conductor but it has more stations now, different ticket checkers. That’s progress.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            You don’t know why Lemma is popular? Simple. He is EXTREMELY articulate and the best expressing what people across ethnic divide feel. He has the best timing in what to say and when.

            Consider this. After the State of Emergency, when many grumble about it’s importance and oppressive nature, he said the following.

            “…The reason behind the declaration of the SoE isn’t because the people came out to express their demands; it’s rather the cause is highjacked by few. This action of the few has let us down, the SoE brought us a crisis and stifle us….. ”

            No other EPRDF official can simplify and reason with simple words like this to reassure people. They instead would go bla bla..tsere selam hayloch..kiray sebsabiwoch…minaminte…

            He eats their lunch in communication. His secret is his superb communication skill and project empathy.

          • saay7

            Eyob

            Ah, so. He is for the SoE but not as much as those who are for it are and he is against the SoE but not as much as those who are opposed to it. A con artist 😀

            But seriously, we make fun of the language of the EPRDF cadres (rent seeking , anti-peace forces…) but I think they have an ideology, something they believe in. What is the ideology of Lemma? I mean, besides “I believe I want to be PM.”

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Ah Saay,
            Man, you are something! Why don’t people judge the Lemmas by the changes he brought to Orommia? Most Ethiopia’s industrialization projects in Oromia. Threatened by the day. Most Ethiopia’s FDI is in Orommia. Damaged or threatened. Most Ethiopia’s investments are there. Threatened. Most corruption, lawlessness, land grab, unemployment, incoherent narrative are in Orommia. Nothing done to solve them. Who presides over all these problems right now? The Lemma team. What is trending in that region: hope or concern? The latter. Why and what for are these con artists being favored? Eyob, can you help us? Do me a favor and itemize for me please: improvements in terms of before-lemma-after…
            Hayat

          • Paulos

            Selam Hayatina,

            It is just funny these two con-artists found a fan base here in diaspora when they are dispised in Ethiopia. They sidelined the progressive ones as in Mukhtar and Girma B’rru among others and milked Oromia for what it is worth. I was in Ethiopia when the PM resigned, I was there when the two con-artists as in Lemma and Abeyi swap places and the thing is the people know well what these two are upto simply because Oromia has benefited more than the other regions in every concevable measure under EPRDF.

            What is so amazing is that, politics for obvious psychological reasons is more talked about in diaspora than in Ethiopia particularly among the young people. The people in Ethiopia are interested in three things: money, money and money. I bet if you randomly ask anybody in Addis who Lemma is, chances are they don’t know but here people have become experts of him through Youtube which is absolutely funny. I met this college student girl in a nightclub as she mingled in with my buddies. She asked me where I am from and I told her that I am from Asmara and she said to me that she had been to Eritrea once. When I asked her whereabout in Eritrea, she said, Shire. I couldn’t help it but laugh. You can see how disinterested the young are in politics but here the obsession is just beyond belief.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Yes. ‘Con artist’ is an alternative name for a ‘politician’. They both are one and the same. The difference is between being a lousy con artist and a skillful con artist. And I think Lemma is the latter one. And being so cynical, I appreciate that 🙂 🙂 🙂

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            2020 is just down the road. I don’t see evidence of “..expand the franchise.. etc..”. On the day Rex Tillerson is flying in, they started mentioning “Color Revolution”

            If OPDO stays within through the next EPRDF council and executive meetings, I think the probability of your “most likely outcome” becomes higher.

            If not, then all bets are off.

            Yesterday was a bad day – many people killed in Moyale by government forces. Bad enough that many people have crossed the border into Kenya. The SOE secretariat issued an “apology”, saying there was an error, and the responsible people have been suspended. You can say it is progress. But the Oromo activist class is seeing this instead as a message to the OPDO, and thus they are planning a response. The SOE is powerless against the non-violence methods Bu it can severely compromise and destroy OPDO as an organization.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            My condolences about the Moyale incident. I don’t know if it made it to Siraj’s “SoE: a week later” report but yeah I did hear him refer to the uprising as a color revolution.

            If OPDO withdraws from EPRDF if/when its guy is not the PM, it will be the first decisive thing it has done after decades of ambivalence and confused identity: we are part of EPRDF, no we are opposed to EPRDF. Name me any country in the world where the ruling party presiding over a massive uprising blames somebody else for the unrest.

            saay

          • Elenta

            Selamat,
            If Abyi Ahmad doesn’t get to the first round, OPDO should work hard to make sure Debresion get the PM position.
            Time to get smart for OPDO!!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam elenta
            We should abstain ourself from comment while intoxicated.
            Any way how is that semart for opdo supporting debresion?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Alex
            Mark my word samora yunis will be replaced by non-tigrai guy any time soon. Let say within 2 years from now.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Alex; the whole thing a poly to buy time. If you think TPLF going to change or give-up power just like that, you are sadly mistaken. Simply TPLF is buying time for the kill. The other day by a commenter named King Ezana said it all. ” the game just started” I believe him. As long as there are people like Aba-Dula, the Oromos are screwed. TPLF will face up the Oromo each other while handicapping the Amara Organization. The strategy is simple, buy time and go for the kill.

          • Amde

            Hi Alex,

            Making defense and security more diverse appears to be the crux of the problem within EPRDF. Apparently there was broad agreement for OPDO to take PM post and in the meantime for work to start on the nuts and bolts of the diversification process. Something has broken down, and now TPLF has launched a campaign against the OPDO candidate and started arresting Oromiya officials. Thats where we are.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Amde,

            I know very little about General Tsadqan personally because he went away for school to another town when I was too young to relate to adults, but I know his family, and his younger brother (martyred) was my guardian angel and no less caring than my elder brother.

            The problem with our ex-TPLFites is that the moment they renegade, they automatically go into defensive mode and they convey that self defense by demonizing TPLF for crimes it did or didn’t commit. That has been my experience always.

            Although many Tigrayans respect General Tsadqan, many of them, including myself, were bewildered by his siding with the Tewolde-Siye group during the TPLF leadership split of 2000s. However, what keeps making it worst is his selectiveness of root causes of problems and his ignorance in suggesting solutions to them.

            There is that “I told you so” touch to all of his writings I am uncomfortable with. The chances are that those with similar discomfort may also have the same perception as me of him as someone trying only to get back at TPLF leadership who is doing it with a hint of dishonesty and opportunism. He appears to me as someone trying very hard to actualize a self-fulfilling prophecy.

            I could be wrong, but that is my opinion of the “why the attack” as honestly as I can state it.

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            Ok, that was informative but also depressing to be honest with you.

            So, let me ask you this. On his proposal, if the messenger was someone else, what did you think of it, To paraphrase, given the fundamental issues, he is proposing that a (“broad based”) commission under the President (not the existing PM), would work on how to make the next election as fair and as inclusive as possible. I am assuming the body is also expected to provide advice and moral guidance, while allowing the cabinet to focus of running the country.

            I wonder if you have given that any thought and what your views are on it.

            (Just an aside from me on his concept: To be honest: I really think the President’s office should be about moral guidance and an institutional check to make the underlying process fair and as much detached from daily politics as possible. So, personally I am for the kinds of things he is proposing in that body to be a permanent responsibiity of the President’s office, probably also including the Attorney-General. Currently, I think the office is redundant, and I see it more of a holdover from ceremonial/constitutional monarchies. Here endeth the sermon)

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Fantiness,
            Please advise Eprdf not go into the consideration of appeasing the qerroo horse. That has never worked. In stead , they should work hard to appease the entire population by delivering good governance, democratizing fast, and realizing Ethiopia’s renaissance. Solve the problem with Eritrea instantly. Do not think wait for a partner of peace to come half of the distance. Work on the full distance. It really pains to see citizens gambling with such a miracle of success their country made. Remember, there are fast eating predators watching you like vultures from above. Or Eprdf should call it a day give the responsibility to a care taker and demobilize itself back to a drawing board. Much better than things are being handled now with so much dereliction of state duty!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Hayata,

            Why I won’t feel sorry for EPRDF/TPLF for the current crisis is that Tigray-Amhara ruled Ethiopia for centuries as Oromos suffered almost for that long. That would have been, and it was for most part, explained away as caused by backwardness and several other rationales, but the recent (2015 – present) killings and arrests of tens of thousands under the watchful eye and leadership of our two “revolutionary” fronts, TPLF and ANDM, is inexcusable.

            So, here is my rock and my hard place. Either EPRDF has to dissolve the system that brought Abiye to the forefront which means dissolving itself along with the system, or nominate and accept Abiye and prove that the system is Oromo friendly.

            Now, the third and daring scenario would be to invite leaders of all political organizations including opposition parties and assign them the task of forming a transitional government in the next two years. In the meantime, draft PMHD back to finish his term. It sounds far fetched but I am out of ideas about what will work.

            Today, the worst Oromo is better than the best Tigrayan, the good Amhara, or the average Southern! (my new slogan).

            Hmmm, Eritrea!

            Although it has been many years since many Tigrayans, especially those along the borders, had began to question whether Badme was worth the suffering of both peoples, it has now become comically awkward to bring it up in public. The damage was done long ago by our egotistical leaders, and it will take time to fix.

            Since Tigray is naturally positioned to be the link and the gateway between Ethiopia and Eritrea, that must be the only role it plays at all times regardless of political changes in one or both countries.

            Tigray’s and by extension Ethiopia’s closeness with Eritrea should never be dependent on temporary political whims of our leaders, but on mutual benefit, proximity, and the kinship and history the two peoples share.

          • Hayat Adem

            S. Fanti,
            You are basically saying:
            1) Eprdf should dissolve itself or absolve Abiye, the conman, as it created him.
            2) Eprdf should prove it is Oromo friendly by promoting Abiye, the conman, to a PM post.
            What happened to you?

          • Paulos

            Selam Hayatina,

            Me thinking the same thing too. What happened to the canonized Saint Fantination? EPRDF should give in to these two OLFphile con artists when the majority of the Oromo people are demanding something else? Me think not for the majority of the people are pro-OPDO in principe that is. The most logical choice is Demeke till one scratches the surface and finds genuine OPDO underneath as well.

          • Hayat Adem

            Merhaba Dottore,
            There aren’t many times I second guess myself. But there are few times when clean-hearted people like the Saint speak. My parameter of measuring opinions is: does he has enough facts? does he make sensible inference from them? When doubting: should I doubt towards the claim or away from it? To determine that, I recall past trends and if there is any personal bias being advanced. On Fanti, he simply have to say it. It is still the case and it will be the case.
            But championing con men is not the way, Fantination. They are blackmailing the entire country and appeasement never tames blackmailers. If EPRDF is not in a position to fix its leadership crisis, give it to a caretaker of decent citizens. Tough times are to be overcome and never to be side-passed.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Dr. Paulos and Your Majesty,

            There is nothing to dispute about the points both of you are making for why not, and under normal circumstances, I would agree 100%.

            However, talking strictly politics, I don’t see another way for EPRDF but to bite the nail. Anything else would be ኽውዕይ ብማንካ ኽዝሕል ብኢድካ (hypocrisy).

            By the way, I have no facts nor clear understanding of the inner struggles Ethiopia is going through at this moment. I am basing my opinion on highlight news of the last few months.

            “If EPRDF is not in a position to fix its leadership crisis, give it to a caretaker of decent citizens.” Which happens to be my distant second best. I can settle for that!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hayat,
            I never heard of dr Aby until recently and I am learning of his character But I would tend to believe, since the eprdf coalition decides on behalf of their constituents, I think the decision makers know about his qualities that you seem to believe are critical. If he is the candidate of the major component of the eprdf then I think it would be better of Ethiopia to accept him. As for the plagiarism, I am not sure to what extent that will register if not seen through a Western prism. I belong to a nation that doesn’t understand, or doesn’t think it is important, to deferential between the quoted and the one who pronounces the quote: Habesha keynsemamae tesemam’ena comes to mind. Many people attribute that to WelWel though it’s not his quote 🙂

          • Amde

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            It is so wonderful to see you back in this forum.

            I am in a constant struggle to stay back or jump into the discussion. I see we have different perspective on where we are. So please indulge me to give you mine.

            I don’t think “What the Oromo want?” is a fair question. We are talking about 40 mln people that are possibly the only ethnic/language group that contains the geographic, religious, primary occupation of what constitutes Ethiopia today.

            In any normal society, such diversity would be reflected in just as diverse politics and social organization.

            The ethnic lens by which our politics is organized, and the EPRDF’s sustained efforts to hobble any other political competition has meant that the immense diversity of the Oromo speakers are now distilled into two groups: the legal OPDO and the formally-legal/quasi-legal/illegal everybody else. So we have this issue where the legal OPDO has to straddle the fence.

            If our politics wasn’t so ethnic focused, and elections were free, I can guarantee you there would be three or four legal parties that would have deep representation in various regions of the Oromo speaking world. But that is not where we are today.

            The second issue is, it does not appear to me that TPLF has thought through about the day when it does not hold so many cards, at which point democracy will mean Oromo will have collectively more clout. We are now at a point where this has become a hot issue. It was always inevitable that a fully representative democracy in Ethiopia would have a really high Oromo color to it, something which would have worked itself into a stable of our politics over a couple decades or so.

            In essence, I am saying:
            1. Less ethnicity / more diversity in the politics.
            2. TPLF has to decide whether it is for Tigrayans in a hospitable sea, or Tigray the political unit.

            But we are at a point where because we didn’t make those decisions, we have a generation of radicalized youth who are flexing their muscles on the street. So, it is either the governing side takes to the streets, or politics is around tables.

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Thank you and it is great to be back. There seems to be a disconnect or cognitive dissonance if you will between what is being discussed here in diaspora and the stark reality on the ground back in Ethiopia. I just came back from there and what I observred is not by any means a controlled research in a bid to come up with a reasonable conclution but it was fairly sound assessment.

            I think the valid question you posed could be used to infer some sort of schematic picture of the socio-political canvass. What do the people particularly the Oromo people want? Let me share an anecdotal story with you that could give us a clue if there is a social and economic discontent as a glaring point.

            Last summer I was in Connecticut attending my cousin’s graduation ceremony at Yale School of Medicine. As it happened, I stepped out from the crowd to get a coffee from a nearby Starbucks and the lineup was huge that I had to wait for almost an hour till my turn comes up. As I was waiting in my line, two Ethiopian gentlemen were lining up ahead of me and we exchanged greetings. A month ago when I was in Addis, I happened to be in a supermarket and I run into one of the men I had seen at the Starbucks. I said hi to him and I asked him if he recognized me. And he said, he remembered me. My next question was, if he was enjoying his stay as in vacation in Addis. He said, oh no I live in Addis, I was in Connecticut attending my daughter’s graduation ceremony.

            You see Amde that is the face of new Ethiopia. You maybe curious to know if the man was a Tigrean. No he was not. He was able to send his daughter to Yale to do a graduate work and afforded to be at her graduation as well. I suspected he was a wealthy busnessman with huge investment either in Oromia or in the Amara region. He was able to do well simply because the system put in place provided him with opportunities.

            The second story I would like to share with you is what an Oromo who had come from the States told me. He said, when he went to visit relatives in the Oromia region, his minibus was stopped by a small number of young Oromos and he said, when he and other passengers spoke to them in Oromifa they let them go. Just imagine, what the guys would have done to them if they had spoken to them say in Amharic or Tigrigna?

            Now the question as to what the Oromo people want not only is blurred but it seems to be slated for ulterior motives by external forces to distabilize Ethiopia. Simply because, in 1991 the question was not only answered but provided the Oromo people with equal political participation including economic advancement as well.

            If the rather convoluted reasoning is based on a majority cut as in the Oromos deserve more political power including a fair share in the defence and security, the Tigreans can say the same thing for they paid and sucrificed more than any ethnic group to bring about the present economic prosperity in Ethiopia. But it shows the shallowness and immaturity of those who subscribe for the majority-torque and one is not equally surprised to see the high-priests as in Lemma and Abeyi dragging the region into a fertile ground of political and economic corruption.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam p
            Agree with u that the reality on the ground and the narration about ethiopia is different but this narrations created mainly by pro tplf/eprdf media and the opposition used it to attack the government by it’s own lies.
            2nd, tplf didn’t brought any economic prosperity to ethiopia they came empty handed .instead they brought looting ethiopian resource, division, hate , jealousy, narrow mindedness and so on.
            Tplf constituency is tigrai( read the constitution) if they brought economic change or not , is up to tigrai people.
            How can tplf brought change for the people consider them as enemy?

          • Amde

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Thank you for the excellent feedback. As you probably know anecdotes have a habit of hiding data. I have run across a Gojjame lady here who is paying for her kids in the US in cash. She was lovingly telling me as to how she took her daughter to various colleges to see which one she liked, but the daughter happily decided on the one her son already was. There are indeed phenomenally wealthy people in Ethiopia now.

            But, paradoxically enough, I think a serious argument can be made that what we have now is class struggle cloaked with ethnicity, centered primarily around land.

            It is important to see that the region of Oromiya west of Addis (Ambo to Wellega) for years harbored sentiments of Ethiopiawinet, and supplied many of the Military brass and political leadership during the HaileSellasie and Derg governments. If you will, this was the last outposts where Oromo nationalism has taken hold. I believe it is primarily due to the way farmers were being dispossessed of their land to make way for “investment”.. industrial farms, factories, real estate you name it. Hayat is right that Oromia is/was by far the largest re

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            There r a lot of people who spend once twice a month weekend in Dubai , most of them hate tplf. A lot of people.

          • Amde

            Hi Dr. Paulos..

            Well.. looks like Discus made a half a meal out of my posting..

            Another time…

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Hayata,

            That was funny! Look at it this way your majesty, if Trump can lead the most powerful and richest nation on earth, Abiye is a gem by comparison.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            Thank you for your great response, which is so ethio-centric. The people of ethiopia and the people of tigray owe no blood to nobody, not a single drop. Ethiopia is asked to sacrifice her children, her peace, stability, her economic development, and finally her very existence, to serve a concerted plan that has been there for a long time and came to the forefront, because the planners thought that this is the right time to put it in to action, by exploiting the political crisis in ethiopia.

            Ethiopians wherever they are and whichever political party they support, must not forget one important thing, that the national interest of the country and its people is the leading star ethiopians should follow, and they should never trust others. Our people may call themselves tigreans, amhara, oromos, afars, somalis etc, nevertheless, they are and will always be ethiopians, equal and with a common interest, which they will never sacrifice for nobody’s sake, who befriends them for personal interest, and then throw them away after using them.

            You were put before a dilemma “asking you to advice the eprdf to ignore the querro young oromos, which they know very well could lead to bloodshed, solve the problem with eritrea instantly and unconditionally, as if the rest of ethiopians have no say in their national affairs, and thus bring in contradiction tigreans with other ethiopians, and they even tried to terrorize ethiopians with unseen powers (egypt), and so on”.

            Your response was so great that they could not swallow it, and you are in danger of losing your sainthood. I am sure you did not believe it in the first place. It was not what they expected. Fanti Ghana could be a saint, but he is not naive, unable to read the semina worq and the sinister message (sorry, i am forced to say this).

            “Today, the worst Oromo is better than the best Tigrayan, the good Amhara, or the average Southern!.” is the quote of the day that left many with open mouth. The most important thing in today’s ethiopian politics is the political party and not the person who represents it. That is what most ethiopian politicians say. Dr. Abiy is the victim through which opdo is victimized and finally ethiopia is targeted. We should have no doubt about it. After all, why should they be obsessed with him, a person they do not know, by taking a word from here and there, unless they have their own ulterior motive. Is it because they love ethiopia? Is it because they love the people of tigray? No ethiopian should believe that even for a second. They want to use them by gaining their trust, period.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Keep up your optimism, that Ethiopia will survive from the current crises.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,

            Keep it up !! Just, to show my clear stand on subjective crises of Ethiopia..

            KS,,

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Horizon,

            Talk about dilemma!

            It is always prudent to be mindful of internal or external influences that divide our people and injure our country in the process, but I must point out that it is equally prudent to identify a friend from a foe when necessary.

            I agree with most of what you said, but I feel obligated to separate the wheat from the chaff. There are many types of Awatistas with various personalities, beliefs, intellect, informed, uninformed, misinformed, well-wishers, ill-wishers, emotional and reactive, calm and calculating, and those with some combination of the above. I am sure you see the potential problem of painting every one us with the same wide brush.

            It won’t be necessary to list all the great personalities I could list, but among them is Hayat Adem.

            Never mind the intellect and the clarity of thought many of us has come to admire and envy about her, but she is also very disciplined and very principled in her views as far as Ethio-Eritrea politics is concerned. I won’t believe in million years that she have a single cell in her body that wishes ill toward Ethiopians in general or any one group of Ethiopians in particular. I can’t even count the number of times she had to carry her cross for refusing to budge from her principles.

            The recent positions regarding our next PM Hayat, Paulos, and others have taken must be taken at face value. Right or wrong, it is healthy, and it is expressed by friends who care.

            Their occasional recommendation for Ethiopia to take an active role in helping Eritreans remove IA is/was never exploitation spirited but an honest recommendation to minimize the loss for both countries and bring peace in the region, which by the way, if I wasn’t sure how that action would infuriate so many Eritreans and/or if I could see a clear exit, I would support it in a heartbeat.

            Brother Horizon, occasionally we need our friends to hold the mirror for us, and in this instance, Hayat, Saay, and Paulos are holding it very well.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti Ghana,
            .
            The paragraph …” Their occasional recommendation for Ethiopia to take active role……………I would support it in a heart beat.”
            .
            That is the point that needs to be highlighted in neon lights. You cannot say Hayat did not evaluate your legitimate concerns. More than likely, she sees and knows it better than you do the huge risks for Ethiopia, but is able to argue by minimizing the negative and maximizing the potential benefits for Ethiopia.
            .
            You are good man and you always look for what is good in others. The folks you mentioned including Hayat are not foes of Ethiopia. They all have a belief in what is absolutely good for their country, Eritrea. That is their starting and ending points.
            We love our country and they love their country. We all have our national interests at heart.
            .
            I was bothered by the “con man” label Hayat used precisely because it was Hayat. If it was blink or Nitricc I would call it par for the course and moved on.
            .
            However, one has to stand firm when asked to suspend logic and reasoning to accept their point of view only……their view is focused elsewhere you/me are not purvey to.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Mr. Kim Hanna,

            ካንተ ወድያ ዓለም ከንቱ, but I am blinded by love. በሓያት ኣትምጡብኝ፤፤

          • halafi me(n)gedi

            Fanti,
            Kind of late to this thread but you touched upon one thing that I thought is important and want to strengthen.
            I think in times like what is happening in Ethiopia now, gesture is as important as substance, and perception is reality.
            Very important and timely for Ethiopia (of course EPRDF should lead) send the right gesture and substance to Oromos. Could be PMship, official language designation and/or more…One can see this type of gesture discussed.
            Likewise, Tigrayans need (based on my screening of social media) assurance that they will be fine even if EPRDF/TPLF shares power. Regardless of who promoted it, TPLF=Tigray has been very damaging to say the least. I don’t see this gesture towards Tigrayans being discussed….
            Eritrea, although interesting to see the problem given a different dimension/angle, i.e., Tigray paying more price than rest of Ethiopia, as you said, reactionary solutions are probably not the best and may not be lasting (would be happy to be proven wrong).
            hm

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Eyob Medhane,
            .
            I won’t bet anything but I hope Dr. Abiey be the next PM at least for the next 2 years. EPRDF might get its acts together to lead Ethiopia out of its predicament.
            As always I worry with American involvement, it is never good.
            .
            The various speculations and Mr. Kbrom’s belittling emphasis of Ethiopia not being Norway speak to his standing and standards. Somebody who knows somebody who knows a member of EPRDF is enough for some to bring it to the forum as gospel truth.
            .
            The fact that we are anticipating a new Ethiopian leader to be introduced through a PROCESS makes me hopeful.
            We will talk again next week with a better picture to talk about.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Kbrom

            Hi K.H

            I was not sure what should I take from the ‘speak to his standing and standards’ part of your statement. Any thing that I should clarify?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Eyob,
            How about Tesfaye Bulcha? I think he is the most probable choice of the two parties.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            Tesfaye Bulcha is weak.. 🙂 I believe he was the one, who was holding the cue cards, Dr. Abiy was reading, when he was plagerizing Henry Kissinger 😀 😀 😀

          • saay7

            Amde:

            That would make sense if Abiye was the only Oromo MP or if he had passed the first test: to whip OPDO one way or another in the SoE vote. He is not, and he did not.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            Wait…

            What are we discussing again?

            1. Is he the best choice ever?
            2. Is he the best ever choice for EPRDF?
            3. Is he the best choice for EPRDF for NOW?
            4. Is he the best choice for TPLF interests NOW..?
            And the last question:
            5. Is he the best choice for the country as a whole for NOW?

            Personally i do not think he/Abiy would be PM. My money is on Demeke. He absolutely makes sense for the kingmakers crowd. But who knows, he may be the switcheroo candidate for last minute drama. Eyob talking him up makes me suspect he won’t.

            Its kinda bad that we can’t even name a plausible alternative Oromo candidate. Nevertheless, Abiy was offered by the OPDO. And logically, he would carry the weight of the institution behind him. Making him the right person NOW. I happen to think that includes both EPRDF and the country.

            The whipping of the SOE…. The SOE is an instrument designed to destroy the Lemma/Abiy wing of OPDO. If anything maybe he should get credit for how many he could get to vote/abstain against if that is how it went down.

            I guess Sunday is soon enough.

            Amde

          • Kbrom

            Amde

            What we are we discussing….

            6. Is he the carrot in the left hand of the Quero movement which is also carrying a stick on the right hand to apprise EPRDF either crown him or you will be whipped until you forget your mothers name.

            I agree with you Amde, Demeke makes sense for the kingmakers crowd, HOWEVER, what matters now is who makes sense for the real crowd on the ground who are carrying the giant key of Ethiopian security – the Oromo! thus Demeke, as sensible he is has less chance.

            I believe we will wait at least until Monday, first they are going to have the routine 6 month’s gemgema.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            I am not talking up Demeke. I happen to think that he would be a really bad choice and massively ineffective. But, I just think he is a logical choice, if we go by the trend.

          • saay7

            Eyob and all Ethiopians:

            Congratulations! You have gotten to that stage of democracy where you are convinced that all your choices are terrible 🤫 at lease Demeke has some gravitas no matter how terrible you think he is. I don’t know as little about him as I did about Abiy a week ago, but since he is Eyobai candidate, I am going out on a limb and will say he won’t be the guy. Eyob can’t be right. He just can’t.

            saay

          • Amde

            ልጅ እዮብ

            We are exactly on the same page.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Hey Amde:

            Clearly, we are only discussing 3 and 4. And by extension, since 3 and 4 are adherents of “revolutionary democracy” (unless OPDO and ANDM are just paying lip service to that), 5 as well.

            On the SoE, what matters is that the whole premise of the ridiculous figure presented as the next PM, is that he represents an org that represents 40% of Ethiopia. If he can’t get the MPs from Oromo to support him unanimously, he doesn’t have the leverage his title suggests he does and therefore the balance of EPRDF doesn’t fear him or the constituency he claims to represent. No?

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            “If he can’t get the MPs from Oromo to support him unanimously, he doesn’t have the leverage his title suggests he does and therefore the balance of EPRDF doesn’t fear him or the constituency he claims to represent. No?”

            good point actually

            Just keep in mind, “his constituency” is a large faction (plurality maybe even a majority) within OPDO. The street is not out there on behalf of the OPDO. It is incidental for them. It just so happens it is the only legal alternative. Beyond OPDO there is a lineup of other legal and illegal alternatives, more and more extreme the further out you go.

            The OPDO is leveraging the street for more influence within EPRDF. You can call that cynical manipulation or reflecting the will of their people. What will they do with it is anybody’s guess, but there is a reason why Lemma is extremely popular not just among the youth but also among elders and the business class within Oromiya. And that ranges from the Western highland christian Wellega/Shewa to the eastern Muslim Harar. And I am not saying “the street”, – I am talking about community leaders and influencers.

            So it boils down to: should EPRDF fear the street?

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            Nobody is the Messiah, not Abiy, not Lemma, and not anybody else in ethiopia. I take into consideration all the parameters that go with each one of them. If choosing from the opdo means appeasing those who forced the resignation of pmhm, and the reason for the present crisis that has put ethiopia at a crossroad, and it is going to be to the satisfaction of the oromo people, who complain that they have never been near power in ethiopia, when at the same time we call them ethiopians, i am full heartedly in support of Abiy and Lemma as long as they are their choice, because it is not going to be at the expense a tplf or an andm messiah, ethiopia may lose, because there is none.

            If the aim is to ignore the voice of the oromo people, and the permanent rulers of ethiopia are to sit again on the throne, thus insulting the intelligence of 40m oromos, and then quell any opposition through bloodshed, i am vehemently opposed to it. If jawar and co. say that there is no reason oromos should not fight for their independence, i will have no ground to oppose him.

            When they see the fire raging all over ethiopia, tplf sympathizers and those who try to insult the intelligence of ethiopians, thinking that they cannot read behind their beautiful words their plot against the country, will turn around and say, we told you, you cannot rule yourselves unless tplf is your master. Of course, the destruction of ethiopia will serve perfectly well their evil plan of annihilating this unfortunate nation.

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Don’t forget he is a colonel and is a war veteran. How soon does this guy become a civilian? Saay said he is not a solider and he you again, what is going on people. His profile is built just as the election of EPRDF 100%. Again you and saay are wrong at this , he is a solider.

          • Kbrom

            የተከበሩ saay

            You have become Robert Mueller of poor Abie.

            Let me confess, I have decided to stop before ‘two Awatistas say stop! we are tired’ for the following reasons:

            1) MS has warned me you are መትከኽ
            2) I am also መትከኽ
            3) Our discussion is of two መትከኻት
            4) ጽባሕ ምእንቲ ርእሳ ክትወግሕ ኢያ and by Tuesday (EPRDF meeting is expected to be from Sunday to Tuesday) we will have a clear picture of some points.

          • sara

            Dear kbrom ,
            what a relief..

          • Ismail AA

            Good morning saay7 (and others),

            Guys, you must get saay7 in his serious mood if you want to get the best of him. This last in put concretized the picture for us Eritreans who have been engaging from the vantage to try to grasp the current political scene in Ethiopia. This time seriousness of the matter could have imbued him to resort to normal way of scrutinizing a candidate when he dealt with Dr. Abiye. No mention has been made of the items on the list that took the lime light in appraising the good doctor, which I think is a good thing to help readers separate the significant from superficial when dealing with politics and personalities in Ethiopia’s social and cultural environment. I would argue that Dr. Abiye’s attitude to science, plagiarism or self-romanticizing would hardly be on the mind of an ordinary citizen out there.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kbrom you said ” some people even followed how many times his CV was edited – sad!” it is not! it is observation of a man about to be a leader of 100 million people. You are not talking about a bus driver and every action of this man reveals his character. if he can’t write his bio Precisely up then his is incapable to face the challenges of his positions. And I believe that was the point of the person who reported 50 something editing within two day. Say what you want but it is a concern. How hard is to write your own Bio accurately?

          • Kbrom

            Hi Nitriccay

            I agree he is VIP and that might be the reason that his CV is edited several times, do you know the wiki CVs can also be edited by other people and are subject to forging and manipulation except in limited cases.

            Do not you think a bus driver is a respected job that needs a CV and great background check, especially at the time when car ramming has become the deadly weapon of brutal terrorists and hate mongers.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Kbrom; I see what you mean. But still I thought over did it. Anyway, you said “Do not you think a bus driver is a respected job that needs a CV and great background check..” Come on Kbrom why are trying to get me in trouble with my good friend Semere Andom? lol Well, i don’t you got ask Semere. 🙂 I got your point though.

          • Ismail AA

            Good morning saay7,
            ” … I am very much aware that many are wondering why we are so fascinated by Ethiopian parliament when what should occupy our minds is … Eritrea”. Do we have problems in Eritrea!?. Thanks for reminding us about that.

          • MS

            Ahlan Kbrom

            Aha…thanks for the canned food, dates, uniforms you brought in. All dried up after Osman Saleh Sabe…haha…Kbromaay, don’t enter into debate with SAAY when he has ample time to spend. He is going to spin your head. He is a self-admitted metkeK….

            But…but…but (it is a byway of saying hello to Semere Tesfai)): I still don’t understand where you guys differ. SAAY was pushing us back on the plagiarism thing saying it was a rite of part of “Habesha’s” academic culture.

            Bezi agaTami, I present the following quote from the one and only one SAAY: let me start with the inverted commas before you guys complain I plagiarized it. He it goes, ” I would like to congratulate the Isaias government for achieving total gender equality in the Eritrean parliament: there are as many female Eritrean parliamentarians as male. Zero.”
            Clear message to bxaay IA, nothing of Dr.Abiy Ahmed’s voodoo science and shamanism.
            Layla Seeida.

          • Selam Amde,

            I am extremely bewildered why Dr. Abiy Ahmed is so vehemently attacked, as if he has done the crime of the century. I have come to the conclusion that they would have done the same thing had it been Lemma Megersa. Therefore the real target is not really dr. Abiy himself, but the opdo.

            Tplf far from power means the umbilical cord will be severed once for all, and the chance that ethiopia will sacrifice her children by intervening militarily in eritrea to solve other people’s problems, will not exist anymore. Tplf was the only chance, and opdo closes this scenario to the disappointment of some people. Therefore, after all, a bad tplf is much better than opdo or andm.

            What we saw was unity of purpose and walls falling, and those who were in the opposite camp unexpectedly uniting and creating a new love affair.

            I am sure that the prophecy of the cassandras will be disproved and ethiopia will have a new pm, worthy of his post, whether some people are against him or not. What matters most is what ethiopians want.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Horizon,

            If you continue at this rate of frustration every time Abiy is criticized, you will lose all your hair before the next election.

            He will face many attacks now and in the future, but it is important to distinguish between concerned friends making a cautionary note verses those with ulterior motives. When in doubt, assume the former.

            At this stage of our history a bad Abiy is preferable than a good anybody else. Our task should be to explain why to our concerned friends.

            To quote one Ethiopian general who made my day then with the following statement may make yours today.

            “ኢትዮጵያ ኣንድ ጀግና ብቻ ወልዳ የመከነች ኣገር ኣይደለችም፤”

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            I have no reason to be frustrated, because i am not a party member, i am not part of any group interest, and i have nothing to lose personally. It is those who have a lot to lose that are frustrated, and they try not to show it. What i care about is ethiopia and ethiopians, so that they do not end up the ultimate losers. Therefore, do not worry about my hair. Similarly, do take care you do not develop an ulcer, because things are not going to remain the same.

            When one sees a concerted attack on opdo, and on one individual, because they have ulterior motives, one should not hide or stand by the sideline.
            You cannot convince a person who speaks out of conviction, and knows the effect of the words. They are not naive in the least. A good friend is seen during hard times. They advice, they say their opinion, and they do not insist to sway the situation by demeaning and demonizing an individual who could be the next pm. Simply for one reason or other they do not want him to be, by bring minor issues as if they are major problems.

            My own quote:
            ኢትዮጵያ አንድ የፖልቲካ ፓርቲ ብቻ የላትም፣ ስልጣን ያንድ ፓርቲ ብቻ የግል ሀብት ሊሆን አይችልም።

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Is this you saying “Either the whole Ethiopian political system is in the charlatan promoting business, or it is completely full of fools who fail at the bare minimum of politics, which is the judging of character, and manipulation of trust.” come on man

          • Amde

            ሰላም አቶ ብሊንክ

            Which part do you disagree with? I am genuinely asking.

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            I thought most EPRDF members needed a merit based question, Because the parties have been drifting from their own people for a long time.The promotion issue has been always a business from state to federal level . Do you think Ethiopians can not find an organic politicians who can serve them well ? They can but the long arm of TPLF changed it to business. I believe you all know this , TPLF is the undisputed champion of destroying any challenger in the EPRDF circles and to do this they have been using promotion business for over 27 years. I may be forgetting something about something but not about TPLF muscle. TPLF will not sit with their opponents and find a peaceful solution for all, what they will do is crush any one from inside. This Oromo or Amhara opposition can’t do the job of the Ethiopian people because TPLF are still thinking the promotion business will work, For any politician his merit is how long does he hold his constituents wish but in EPRDF world , it is all about muscling out the Traffic light.

            TPLF will not respect the traffic light even if the police Traffic is on guard.

          • Amde

            Selam blink,

            Ok, i think I got it.

            Let’s set aside the particulars of Ethiopian politics for now. I meant to say the basics of any politics among the political class revolves around questions of “what sort of person is he?” “How can I benefit from him?” “Who are his friends?” And “Can I trust him?”

            Rinse and repeat.

            This applies to office politics all the way to the world stage. All other considerations (such as competence and perhaps even belief systems) are secondary.

            What i meant was you can’t have a person spend twenty years within a system of many factions and organizations and institutions and succeed if he is purely a fake. He is bound to eventually run afoul of somebody or in his case many somebodies.

            To say he is a phony after promoting him for 20 says more about those who promoted him than him.

            Your comment about TPLF I have no issue with. Please see my note to Amanuel Hidrat. I see today’s TPLF as an organization that never evolved out of being primarily a military one. They have to destroy or dominate. In this they are no different from EPLFDJ. A legacy of the armed struggle days no doubt.

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amed; have the decency to stand up for what you believe. have some bones and stand for what you believe. You are on the record on this forum how you addore TPLF and its fake coalition but why retract now? My friend, your credibility is taking a hit at this moment and credibility is everything. Don’t worry, TPLF will come out of this, thanks to Muktar and Aba-Dula. your fake and self serving Aby-Ahmed will not materialized. I just hope you stand with people. it is saddening to see people in your caliber stand wishy washy. take a stand and stand with your people. Your TPLF is no hope.

          • Amde

            Hello Nitricc,

            I usually don’t respond to the functionally illiterate. Consider this your lucky day. Buy a lottery or something.

            Amde

          • Nitricc

            Ato Amed; Excuse me: who the hell are you? please. lucky day? how about you go to hell. Some people thinks they all that, no Amed, chill out you are an Ethiopian. You know what I mean? right? right?

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            You seem to have an extreme headache. Take a nope and be fine. However, behave next time around…….:) Never mess with Amde again, he knows where exactly to hit you.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            May i ask, when u said ” i see today’s tplf as an organization that never evolved out of being primarily a military one” my question is how much u think tplf controls the military? And what about the non- tigraian members of the military? R they no body? R they Just tplf foot soldiers?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            I did not mean it as if they are in charge of the military.

            I meant TPLF thinks of politics as a military zero sum game. They have to be on top or they die. They dont see other options.

            Beterefe, TPLF’s control over the military ተብሎ ያለቀለት ነው። I actually have morbid curiosity on the mechanics of how despots maintain a grip on a large military which they need for controlling an otherwise restive population.

            Compositionwise it is an Ethiopian military if we take የፈረደበት ብሄር ተዋፅዖ as the metric.

            OPDOexit scenarios.. none are pretty. But it doesnt necessarily mean Federal institutions fail. They (OPDO) will be running the largest State and have the largest contingent in the Federal parliament. They are not a guerilla force, so unless a purge happens, there is no need for the Oromo soldiery to leave their posts. On the flip side, there will definitely be a purge.

            So.. massive opportunities for spoilers. Not good if not addressed through some mechanism.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Thanks but i don’t buy that.
            Any way, with the current federal system, if tplf can’t be on top , they probably will die.i mean tplf Constituency is tgrai.
            Tigrai means 5% of ethio. Population, less resources, not good for investment geographical and they will lose walkyet if they can’t be on top .
            What options do they have with the federal system out side of die or on top? Tell us pls.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            What you are describing is a TPLF problem. Not a Tigrayans problem.

            I dont see Tigrayan popular demand for secession. Tigrayans by and large believe reflexively that they are Ethiopians.

            The Eritrean lesson is quite valuable. One of the things the liberation movements did was to social engineer the Unionist voice out of Eritrean society. “Social Engineer” here stands for a range of actions from ostracism to exile to assasinations. This has been the story of two generations of TPLF political hegemony in Tigray now as well. No society is so uniform that a single organization rules every strata of life at every corner for more than a few years. The current situation is an abomination.

            It is pointless to discuss economic viability of an independent Tigray. Assuming the people can be dragged along, it will just become an Agazian project nightmare. Believe me, it is dead on arrival.

            Tigrayans had legitimate grievances. The primary one were self-rule and lack of economic growth and investment. In this, Tigrayans were in the same boat as any one of the northern provinces between Eritrea and Shewa. Remember the famine of 1973 and 83 killed more Welloye than Tigrayan, but both faced the same issues.

            The complaint was that all investment and economic growth was centered around Addis. Which was indeed true. For this unfairness – as a corrective – the King and his መሳፍንት system were overthrown, and socialism implemented. Still, seventeen years later, for the same unfairness, the Derg was overthrown and Ethnic Federalism was implemented. Guess what the complaint of Tigrayan regional officials is today? That’s right – all investment is going to Addis. And where are the TPLF bigwigs? Yes, in Addis getting fat.

            See a pattern?

            I don’t know if Tigrayans would have chosen a political hegemony of one organization. Or this particular kind of federation. Or having to trade an Ethiopian sea hospitable to Tigrayans, for a “Tigray Nation” which to me is almost a vanity project that solves little of long term consequence. The point is, most of these decisions were imposed on them.

            No my friend. There is a TPLF problem. Not a Tigrayans problem. That is why TPLFs character is central.

            Tigray People have to be Liberated from the Tigray People’s Liberation Front.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            I didn’t said independent tigrai.
            What i said was tigrai within the federal system.
            As far as i know, federal system means self governance including economic governance from ur own state income.

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            Fair enough.

            That is not the definition or generally understood meaning of Federation. Federation is all about who has what power between center and periphery. Although, the golden rule comes into play pretty soon – i.e. “He who has the gold sets the rule”

            Usually they (federations) parcel out what kind of revenue stream the center vs the unit are entitled to. And a mechanism for balancing out incomes.

            In Ethiopia, all the states depend on the Federal government to fund at least half of their revenue needs. Tigray is no exception. As long as it is in the Federation it is entitled to its share.

            The word “Share” does not go well with the Top-Or-Not sentiment though. Again, it is a TPLF issue, not a Tigrayans issue.

            The rest – sparking sustainable economic growth – is a problem they are all trying to solve. With the power and transport infrastructure projects we may hopefully be on the cusp of that.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde.
            U said “all the states depend on the federal gov. To fund at least half of thier revenue needs”. My question is from where the federal gov. Get the funds itself?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            Federal government collects more tax revenue.

            Also, the Federal side gets foreign loans, grants and aid.

            One minor correction. Addis is a net contributor to the Federal budget by far. I dont know about Dire Dawa.

            Any seceding state will start needing significant outside subsidy immediately upon separation. Many existing federal offices will have to be duplicated. Starting from the bureaucracy to the fancy toys of an independent military.

            As the saying goes, from the ferenji point of view looking at Ethiopia, “It’s cheaper to keep her”

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            From where the federal gov collects the tax revenue?
            I know same states collects more than 52 billion from taxs but ebc will tell u a different story. Any way,
            Most of what u saying, what u say about the military, the fund and so on, heard it from ebc so many times. I just want to learn new things .help a brother out.

          • Amde

            ልጅ ቴዎድሮስ

            ምነው ታዲያ ከንቱ ልፋት አለፉኝ። You owe me at least አንድ ጣሳ ኮረፌ ጠላ።

            አምዴ

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            Korefa tila , no problem but am from addis.
            What am trying to say is , i know the narrations of eprdf and don’t buy that simply Becouse it doesn’t much from the reality on the ground.and i was hoping to learn a few new things but am unlucky or it is not a time for u to tell us the real deal. Any way thanks, at least u r interested person. U not boring like the like of k h.

          • Selam Amde.

            Russia to build a nuclear station for power production. How did things come to this? It was sudan, and it seems that ethiopia is following suit, whatever the result is going to be in the future.
            It seems that nuclear energy could be a big business in the third world for countries like russia.
            Is nuclear power included in the clean energy category? I am worried that the chernobyls of the future could be in africa. I do not know.

          • Amde

            Hi Horizon,

            Nuclear is categorized in the clean category since by “clean” emitted Carbon is the determinant.

            “Safe” on the other hand…..

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            How is dying by pollution and dying by poison coming out from nuclear waste different ? After all African states need to explore wind and solar energy , can African states woo companies like Tesla ? Chinese companies are investing a big money in solar and wind Energy, can Africa put such companies in to their markets with zero tax and other benefits? How hard can it be ,After all chevron , Exxon , Bp , Eni and others are just a white man gangsters in African states. Russia has bigger investment in Egypt , how do you see this work out ? On the other side why do Ethiopia need nuclear energy while it is selling electricity to Sudan and others ? Is this something like politics?

          • Selam Amde,

            Well said.

            I believe that secession (independence) is no more the fruit many want to taste, especially when it concerns one of the poorest regions of ethiopia. They know that it is easily said than done, not because they cannot do it in practice, anybody can go his way, but mainly they cannot survive in it. There is a lesson that has been learnt, i hope.

            Independence will not bring luxury, and if they are poor when they are in a union, they will be worse when they secede from it. I see some logic when it concerns a rich region like catalonia, texas, lombardy, etc. Going from poverty to worse poverty is not a joke. It brings with it instability.

            If tplf speaks of independence, it is manly to blackmail so that it stays in power, and not because it will be an easy journey to the promised land (if there is one). They are not going to take tigrayans to the land of el dorado. Tigreans are already living there daily life in the real tigray. It is not going to be any better; only that tplf will have its own enclave where it can do whatever it likes, at least it will try. Most tigreans know this fact very well, and that is why they are more ethiopians than their elites in the tplf, which they will shake them off their back one day.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            How is that possible to change ur mind all of a sudden within a few days with out shame? What is morale value for u? People know that u guys r on drama and doing ur job but changing ur stand all of a sudden makes u shameless.

          • Teodros Alem,

            You too, like the rest of you, suffer from functional illiteracy.
            Adios.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            That is simply insult, which is expected from shameless like u

          • Kbrom

            Dear Hayat,

            Firs thing first. I have learned a lot in AF in the few weeks I have been there. However there are three points that I would like see improvement from all of us.

            1. Talking on people and not ideas
            2. Asking for proof and evidence only if the idea does not suit your side of argument, but not bothering to give any proof when you put your points
            3. Jumping from one points to another irrelevant point without at least clarifying the first points at hand

            Now to your points.

            1. I will have to disregard your info.

            I will respect your choice.

            2 There is no party that elects a leader that would promise to guard its past dirt.

            You sound as if you are talking about Norway or Iceland. We are talking about EPRDF that is led and manipulated by TPLF. We are talking about a ‘party’ that is at the world’s bottom in terms of electoral process and pluralism, functioning of government, political participation, freedom of speech and civil liberties etc.

            Unless we come to the same page in the definition of EPRDF there is no point to go to the next point.

            3. Your analysis on Dr Abey.

            Again you are talking out of context, OPDO is the result of the popular uprising. The situation that led to the resignation of PMHD and the current state of Emergency is the outcome of the facts on the ground and not because EPRDF wants to show ጽድቀ ሰማያት.

            In a negotiation table your cards are defined by the power of the balance you have on the ground. What matters now in EPRDF is not what Hayat Adem thinks about Dr Abiy, it is a matter of compromise, survival and the groups power and the unequal strength.

            Today, it is not even about organisations, it is about the king makers. Today the powerful group is Aboy Sebhat’s group which consists of the Director of the National Security Getachew, the veterans Ato Seyum, Ato Abay. et al.

            Ask your sources how is General Samora being marginalised after opposing strongly in the last meeting that Meles should not be condemned and Azeb should not be expelled from the TPLF, ask your sources how Samora became irrelevant when he opposed the recent declared state of emergency.

            OPDO wanted to bring Lemma via snap election but the kingmakers insisted that they will not accept Lemma as a candidate and will veto if Lemma comes. the TPLF assigned Dr Workneh to facilitate the change of Chairmanship in OPDO through snap extraordinary meeting because Abiy is their choice. Until yesterday the consensus was 90 votes from TPLF 90 votes from OPDO, all they need now is some of the votes from the ANDM and Debub Hizboch.

            The EPRDF, as you call them, or TPLF in its real name, has agreed that in order to control the situation in Oromo, the Prime ministership should be given to OPDO. Of course the TPLF would dare to have a strong DPM so that to control the PM and most likely they will fight for Dr Debretsion who has worked closely with Abiy in the field of cyber security. Do not forget Lt Colonel Abiy has worked in the area of cyber intelligence and has the support of Dr Getachew Assefa one of the king makers. For EPRDF Siraj and Demeke are also a guaranteed personalities who are under their full control.

            When it comes to Eritrea, I agree Dr Abiy will not have any different stand, actually if we are expecting a dramatic change as a result of the change in the personalities, that is big political miscalculation.

            I see a bit naivety in your analysis!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            U admitted that the reason behind dr Abiy to become pm is the uprising, not tplf good heart. that is the good thing to acknowledge and than u back to ur nonsense ego again( tplf will be everything for the future bla,bla)
            My question is what makes u think the people uprising will stope with out answering the question?
            Don’t u think the people uprising + a pm with a people side will be a true federal democracy, which means gradually tplf will reduced to it size.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kibrom,

            I have heard that the EPRDF council of assemly comprises of 180 seats each organization contributing 45 councils of equal ratio. If the total votes should be 180, then how did the TPLF and OPDO give 90 votes each? Can you see the discrepancy, or is it me?

            Regards

          • Kbrom

            Hello Emma

            ይቕረታ ካብ እግሪ መልሓስ ይዕንቀፍ ወይ ድማ ሎሚስ ኣጻብዕቲ ታይፕ ይዕንቀፍ ንበሎ። It is 45×4 = 180 each org having 45 votes. What the EPRDF would do soon is to accept the resignation paper of PMHD officially, elect the new chairperson and vice chairperson from the council and also elect the executive committee from the council ምክርቤት። The council sends the name ( I am not sure if they can send either or should be the chairperson) to the Parliament to be endorsed. basically what they have in the EPRDF is two house of powers the 180 strong council and the ePRDF executive.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            I am told playing the Eprdf council members number is not that simple. First of all, Tplf has only 38 council members not 45 like the other parties. And all members votes are NOT completely locked along collective positions of their mother parties. Tplf and Andm are comparing notes and somehow molding consensus. Sepdm are a bit divided over supporting themselves, Opdo or others. You must not also count out the Abdi card. I just heard he recently called the outgoing PM and current Tplf Chairman and bluntly warned them he wo8ld break away the Somali region if they come up with any PM from Opdo. Yes, he is crazy and he was not bluffing. Emma, there are too many factors in it and folks like Kibrom are still too obsessed with power of the Tplf card while the ground game has shifted a lot. For some, ppearing knowledgeable is more important than being one- the same very problem of the con man Dr. ABIY.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            38 is the number of sites tigrai has in the federal parliament.
            Each members of eprdf has 45 central committee members. Total 180. And each have 9 polit bureau members, total 36.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Hayat,

            I just checked from an Ethiopian website. It reads TPLF has 45 in the EPRDF party and 38 in the Ethiopian parliament. You could double check it. The EPRDF council of assembly is 180 and its Executives is 36,

            Regards

          • Hayat Adem

            Merhaba Emma and Teodros,
            Normally, yes; this time, no.
            TPLF has kicked some of its CC members after the gimgema. One defected to WHO; one or two are not in country attending their medical issues. So, 7 are out of action in toto.
            The thing is TPLF has only 45 CC members and it has no larger pool to replace them easily, and CCs are only elected in a general assembly platform. It was not a problem with the other sister parties, because they can replace whoever is missing as their CC pool is larger. I think Opdo’s, the largest, holds 75 members. Here too, poor Tplf is at a disadvantage starting point.
            Emma, I’m a bit luckier than you in that I’ve someone in the know to spoil and spoon-feed me with a processed data while you have to surf through the websites, haha:)
            Hayat

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hayat,

            If the internal EPRDF constitution (party constitution) says the general assembly is made up on equal proportional ratio, that is 1:1:1:1 of the four parties, how did OPOD has 75 members? How could it be without amendment? Did they amend their proportionality in the their recent meeting? If the absentee and defected your are talking is true, how could TPLF participate in the EPRDF recent meeting without replacing them? Is that the reason they could not elect the PM till this date? The number OPOD members in the general assembly still does not look correct.

            Regards

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            Again they are only equal in number representation at the Eprdf council platform. There, they are represented by 45 each. The number of CC members is left to each organization and I don’t know what formula they used, maybe population size in their constituency.
            On the defection point, I was referring to Dr. Tewodros after he moved to become WHO head. Of course, he didn’t defect but he can’t be a politician while leading that organization.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Hayat,

            As they say ‘It is the highest form of self-respect to admit our errors and mistakes instead of creating ጽንጽዋያት.

            1. You said ‘Tplf has only 38 council members not 45’
            Emma corrected you that 38 is in the Ethiopian parliament.
            2. You came with your numbers which goes like ‘ TPLF has kicked some of its CC members after the gimgema. One defected to WHO; one or two are not in country attending their medical issues. So, 7 are out of action in toto .
            Emma politely asked you/corrected you with the following statement ‘the internal EPRDF constitution (party constitution) says the general assembly is made up on equal proportional ratio, that is 1:1:1:1 of the four parties, how did OPOD has 75 members?
            3. Then you came with this one, whatever it means. ‘Again they are only equal in number representation at the Eprdf council platform. There, they are represented by 45 each. The number of CC members is left to each organization and I don’t know what formula they used,

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Kibrom,
            Please stay on the main issues. If you are looking for getcha moment, there is none here.
            Tplf has 45 cc members, now 7 of them are out. Andm has 60 cc members. Sepdm has 65. Opdo have 80 (correct the 75 I said earlier). What is important is that four of them are equally represented at the 180 member eprdf council house: every one of them send 45 representatives. But now 7 of Tplf Cc members are counted out because the different reasons I mentioned earlier. That makes 38 the maximum number tplf can have at the eprdf council. They can’t refill those spots because they can only do that after they get them elected at the Congress which is to come at later time. There is no another way of replacing vacant cc places. This could not be a problem of the other partner parties, say with the Opdo as they have a bigger pool of 80cc and they can simply fill any vacated council spotbfrom those. Tplf clearly is entering the pm selection with 7 men down. I hope you got it now.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hayat,

            You found it difficult to be corrected. One more try: if we are talking on EPRDF, then TPLF has 45 members at the general assembly and 9 at central committee of EPRDF. That quota membership is the the same to all four parties that made the EPRDF front-party. Do not mislead the forum.

            But if you are talking about each parties internal party constitution as to how their administrative units as states (Kilil) is different story. They have their own assembly and central committee. So please do mix it to confuse the forum. There is no such 60, 65, 80 members of representation in the front (EPRDF).

            Regards

          • saay7

            Emma:

            You are right although you might want to change the terminologies a bit:

            45 from each EPRDF member party (for a total of 180) makes the Council
            9 from each EPRDF member party (for a total of 36) makes the Exec Committee

            Uncharacteristically the exec committee has been postponing its meeting, which speaks to the current turmoil.

            The membership of both bodies is independent of the size of the parties or the constituencies they represent (each gets equal numbers.)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Saay,

            Good one. Yours is more clearer than mine.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Hayat,

            I think we focus on technicality and ability of single individual. But in the long run, it’s the process (smooth process) that would count what any individual can and can not achieve.

            Dr. Abiy, for example (I only knew him since last week) and based on the youtube that I saw, he seems to know a lot (based on his credentials and on what he has accomplished) at a young age. I do think he has enough experience to navigate the political sphere but I think he has the smarts to learn quickly.

            I think we are expecting too much….and worried too much for nothing…the world will move on and nothing will happen..if we have the system in place.

            Ethiopia I think they have the system in place …that nothing will happen who ever comes to power…at least from TPLF point of view, they do have the backing of the security and the military…so honestly it will be his problem to solve…

            A lot of people said so many things when Obama come to power, may be he was honest person and he had it all along, but there was a lot of doubt…but he was just fine and he did what he can when he had a chance. I am not saying Ethiopia is the same as the US level in terms of it’s political maturity…but the process prevailed.

            In my opinion I think this whole EPRDF arrangement sounds really the real problem. I hope it moves towards one single national party type of organization (in other words, the parties should merge and become the party that represents everyone in the country who have similiar ideas and platform..rather than this coalition but when it comes to power, the coalition should be formed when it was time to form a government rather than “create coalition ahead of time”.

            Berhe

          • Kbrom

            Dear Hayat,

            Simply wrong and misleading statement.

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibrom,
            Wrong means factually inaccurate. Misleading means intendedly or unintendedly negative.
            What is inaccurate here? The fact that all 4 coalition parties have supposedly 45 members in the eprdf council? Or is it that Tplf currently has only 38 members (that is 7 less than the other 3 sister parties)? Well, both facts are accurate. None is wrong; none is misleading.
            Remember what I said earlier “Appearing good is better than being good”: Machiaveli

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            She is saying
            1, azeb mesfin and 2 other guys suspended.
            4, tedros( who)
            5, 6, 7(some other reason)
            Not in a position of cc tplf and they didn’t replaced by the new cc of tplf, that is why they r 38.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Tedros,

            Thank you for your points.

            The CC of the member parties is independent in all terms and goes as a package and not as individuals to the council.

            For example, SEPDM has 65 members of central committee, and 15 Executive committee. However the quota they got is as equal as the rest three orgs, so they send only 45 names to the EPRDF office as their representative to the council and only 9 names to the executive committee.

            TPLF had made changes in its central committee, however they have substituted their members and the number will remain the same.

            For votes and spaces that are based on quotas, it goes without saying the council addresses its own formulation either through procedural mechanism or different routine its members before going to the final stage of election. Before the meeting the first two steps are asking for quorum and endorsing the meeting agenda.

            In some coalition giving that the council is based on agreed quota, they do allow proxy vote as each vote counts to the member organisation. For example, currently Dr Arkebe Oqbay is in medical trip, can he give the proxy vote to one of his colleagues it depends on EPRDFs internal voting protocol.

            I am not sure whether this is the case with EPRDF.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam kbrom
            U right except tplf had made changes but they haven’t substituted. Becouse the Congress has the mandate to substitute and that did not talk place.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            I don’t know how a man of honors who moved gracefully from FM of Ethiopia to WHO, have initially characterized him as defector. Hayat, the known is known to all of us, and no need to reinvent to make arguemrnt. What we need to know is the unknown, the internal battle within the EPRDF body structure to come up with new PM.

            However, Ethiopia found itself difficult to find a good captain after PM-MZ for the “state ship” to sail safe in the disturbed political water of Ethiopia. I am afraid after all this economic success and good future prospect, this political turmoils might halt and put the nation in to negative progress-decline social curve. We only hope the cool heads will give priority to the interest of their nation than to their personal and parochial interest. We wish them to have the wisdom of statesmanship.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            Every one knows how Dr T won the battle of running for that post with the support of the entire Africa and friends of Africa. The defection thing was jokingly said.
            That aside, you have a good point how Eprdf’s leadership found itself in such a situation. It is puzzling. What I see is Ethiopia’s dynamics is calling for a change. The party has become a victim of its success. Then it may not be bad for the country to move on to the next level. Eprdf’s fate will depend on its ability to adjust.

          • MS

            Selam Kibrom
            I concur with what you have written and there is no doubt you are kowledgeable about going on behind the doors, the number of votes though needs clarification. Hayat is used to dumping figures, fake scenarios and places without bothering to backup her freely flowing “reporting.” She is actually well known for using “according to my sources” nonchalantly. The difference between iSem’s citation of Foro, pilot et al is that he actually believe them while the great Hayat Adem does what she does knowing it is all fake. That quality earned her the endearing nick, aTPLF pamphleteer. She does it expertly.
            Also, don’t forget she is from the endangered species guarded as a “balancer.” I never cared what it is that she counter balance knowi g her thrust has always been insulting Eritreans.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi MS,
            Please don’t write comments when you are so agitated and angry. You tend to bulldoze facts and ligic. It wouldn’t look good on you.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Kibrom,
            I guess the three points you mentioned above as a guide for improvement are good. But I see them as much more usable for you. Talking about ideas rather than about people? Look how many names you have dropped. Jumping from one idea/context to another without merit? Look how many irrelevant events and contexts you have stuffed us with.
            On the one point, i.e., asking for proof when it doesn’t confirm to what one thought to be the case, is sensible for me. It is the first step of reconsidering your thoughts. If you tell me something that was never entertained by earlier to that, I would ask for proof so that I could seriously consider it. Failing to do that on the part of the importer, I stay with my thoughts.
            You and I can easily agree, that is my hope, claimed facts should be verifiable; and conclusions inferred must be logically sensible to the intellectual mind.
            On Dr. ABIY, all what I said previously stands.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam dear Kbrom,

            Quite significant briefing that help us to follow and try to understand the current complex political scene in Ethiopia. Thank you for the details. To speak for myself, I await for views from a couple of names who grace this forum with coherent and expanded in puts on what is going on in Ethiopia: yousefl and Amde who nicely compelement one another to let me and probably others as well to form reasonable picture about the situation whose outcome will have significant bearing on the country and the region. Coming with useful inputs demand interest, diligence and time to collect information from relevant sources.

            Incidentally, moreover, I am a bit confused about Dr. Abiy after I read a few disheartening things about his intellectual integrity from fellow forumer that I trust because I have great admiration for him after I heard him talk with authority and confidence in two videos, I think one of them was posted by none other than Amde – the careful observer he is. The last video I had listened to was on knowledge.

            But aside from his position as a person, however, I agree with you about what plays out to raise him to position of leadership. The OPDO and its politics within the context of balances of power of the ruling coalitions certainly supersede freelance of observers like you and me.

          • Kbrom

            Dear Ismail,

            Thank you for the clear and to the point comments. As you rightly stated we all are hoping to read Amde’s insightful update.

            In regard to Dr Abie Ahmed, I think it would be unfair and too early for us to judge him as some one who lack’s ‘intellectual integrity’.

            The video’s that are at stake are from the presentations that he made in a different setting and environment. What we listened to is the edited part, we do not know whether he credited the owners of the idea at the end of his speech, had bibliography/citation section or put the names in the slides of his presentation.

            By the way PMMZ’s statement during the the Ethio -Eritrea war where he said ‘The shortest distance from point A to point B is not always via a straight line’ was plagiarised from Sun Tzu, the great Chinese general, military strategist, and philosopher but not even a single person reported or talked about it.

            As you said plagiarism is a capital offence, it is stealing and worse than that it is a not ethical practice. If stealing a kettle is not allowed stealing an idea should not be allowed.

            However, this is not confirmed and should not be treated ‘guilty until proven innocent’. There are leaders like Ghana’s president Akufo-Addo’s (ironically human rights lawyer) and Nigeria’s president Buhari who plagiarised ex-US Presidents – Bill Clinton, George W Bush and Obama’s speech, in their televised national inauguration day. If the would be PMAA would plagiarises his televised presidential inauguration speech then we will have the evidence.

            On the positive side, he has made a very powerful speech where he addresses several high ranking civil servants in which he articulates Goleman’s theory of Emotional intelligence. He strongly calls upon the officials to show “cognitive empathy,” and understand their subordinates emotions. He is talking about a poor employee who is asking for leave because her child is sick and what should exactly constitutes the boss’s emotional intelligence when dealing with such a’ ምስኪንዋ ሴት’ as he put it.

            Here is the link, my apology AT moderators for breaching the rules.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYPeazcEAKc

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Kbrom,

            Many thanks for your prompt response; it is usually demanding to comment on comments readers make.

            On Dr. Abie’s case, I do not claim to have known him before. The first time I heard him talking (in Amharic) with visible command of language and coherence of ideas he talked about was in a video posted to this forum under one of the threads ( I do not remember which) by Amde. Many of us had commented with admiration on what he said and the clarity of vision he had reflected. I took him as one of the promising young leader the country is blessed with.

            To be honest, I did not feel to had detected in either of the two videos posted in this forum that the man shortage of words or ideas, and flow of his thoughts was flawless. Usually a good and an educated listener could suspect whether one appeared to be stealing words or ideas of others; he would just hesitate, stagger and involuntarily express uncomfortable body language, which I did not notice in Dr. Abie’s speech.

            Moreover, some quotes could assume conventional or popular status with time and used without acknowledging ownership, like the one you mentioned in the case Su Tzu and the late PMMZ. They just become conventional wisdom in conversations.

            Thus, I agree with you on the issue of Dr. Abie it is too early to dismiss him as a man who lost intellectual integrity. I have also tried to state this in my reponse comment to saay7 by stating questions that popped up in my mind about Brook Michel. Dr. Abie does have the right to benefit of doubt though I personally do also respect and trust saay7 and Hayat Adem.

          • Amde

            Selam IsmailAA,

            Those that are all out attacking Dr. Abiy can be grouped into two.

            1. Pro-TPLF extremists,
            2. Pro-Jawar Movement extremists.
            (Keep in mind, for me that is by itself both a necessary and sufficient condition for me to see this person in the PM chair)

            That’s it.

            The sum total of the accusations levelled against him are,
            1. he is a self-serving charlatan,
            2. he is a self-serving charlatan.

            That’s it.

            What s the evidence of his charlatannery?

            Speeches with plagiarized and pseudo-scientific content..

            That’s it.

            No accusation of corruption. (Abay Tsehye – the Sugar king)
            No accusation of wrongful detention or torture (Watch the hours of interviews by the newly released political prisoners)
            No accusation of treason. (Demeke Mekonnen – a froth of a man who owes his position solely for signing off on giving Ethiopian territory to Sudan)

            Is the man clean? I don’t know. I don’t expect a saint. But one would think the depth of hatred against the man by both the TPLF AND Jawar sides would have yielded something to the public. In other words, it is a “vetting process” of sorts that has had zero information made public).

            The latest accusation is that he is a “hizbegna”, which is a brand new coined term for “populist”. And then we are told of the dangers of a populist coming to power. Mind you – this in a land where thousands just got released, in turn telling of the many other thousands still imprisoned and detailing the years of gratuitous torture thy had to go through.

            He will be fine as a PM at least through to the transition.. At the very least he will have enormous political capital in the country. And that will translate into big international support.

            But I have my doubts he will be. The whole point of the new State of Emergency is to wreck the Lemma wing of the OPDO. I don’t know how he or his OPDO will accept the chair without getting this sorted out.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Kibur Amde,
            I am not pro-Jowar. That is an understatement, I hate him. And I’m not pro TPLF in this context. I was in fact supporting this guy before i happened to see his videos.
            1. If he is self serving charlatan, plagiarizes speeches, and brings unscientific stuff preaching to the public, you don’t need him.
            2. Don’t elect Demeke,; don’t elect Abay Tsehaye. Elect someone else.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Amde (Dear Awate team and neighbours – my condolence to the passing of Haji.)

            Its unfortunate we are in a position to choose only from the ruling party. Just as a passing remark I am ok with Dr Abiy to be the PM in transition.
            But on the populist remark – I think what the ruling party is trying to ensure is not to give away the power of selecting its leaders from their inner-structure. They want to show populist tendencies should not translate into getting the position – promoted neither by the youth movement (Qeero) nor by one of their parties; in this case OPDO. And their reference to populist is not for Dr Abiy only, also includes Lemma M. Lemma is more popular with better charisma but EPRDF is saying I don’t buy that – only a consensus within my committees and the assembly make or break it. Thats the reason they are taking thier time to defuse the populist preasure of choosing from OPDO and sending out bado seleste rumours the Amhara, South, even TPLF has a chance.

            I am with you on Jawar – with all my admiration for him – he feels threatened he would lose his influence over Abiy or even Lemma; if they are selected. Power corrupts; even online ;)) Maybe facebook blockage yegelagelew yehonal.

          • Amde

            Selam Kaddis,

            Your explanation is interesting and makes sense. But what do you make of persistent rumors OPDO is toying with leaving EPRDF?

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            If Opdo has the desire to leave the coalition and pushes to become an independent party, it will be an ugly development that could lead to the disintegration of the eprdf, thus creating political uncertainty in the country. Without the tradition of a real multi-party system in the country, the outcome could be a chaotic situation.

            I think that the messages brought by the usa secretary of state is to end the crisis and bring stability in the most acceptable way as soon as possible. I saw somewhere that H. Cohen had said that power should go to the opdo, which he believes will bring peace and stability.

            Ignoring the querro movement will be a grave mistake.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Horizon,

            If OPDO opted separation from EPRDF, it is the beginning of the disintegration of EPRDF. The disintegration of EPRDF will lead to secession for those who opted based on your constitution. Then the Ethiopia we know will not exist. In Ethiopia it is unrealistic to form a party with a constituents from all the social groups. The Ethiopian elites must be careful if they want to retain the current Ethiopia. In the current political crises, fighting based on political ambition will lead to the splits of the four major social groups. Second they should not listen to the foreign maneuverers be it from the major powers or neighboring countries

          • Amde

            Hi Gash Amanuel,

            I actually think it is good for the country if EPRDF breaks apart. That will be a topic for another day.

            Amde

          • iSem

            Amde:
            Breaking apart will create 4 parties that are ethnically designed, which is bad. EPRDF swaddles the ethnicity, that is why it Ethiopia worked for the last 27 years.
            I also believe that breaking EPRDF is good for the country, how it breaks, what parties replaces it is the issue. They should plan for the eventual party re-alignment, not on ethnic based but on political views, because the kilil assumes that only the ethnic group lives there, I think. The EPRDF was the antidote of the former dominant culture but it is showing its fatigue
            If they elect for appeasement a pm with no powers and the issues that the ppl are demanding are not addressed in any meaningful manner, mere wizardry of ethnic configuration would not work for long term

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Ur above comment tells that u don’t have idea about ethiopia at all
            Somali, tigrai and gamebal have a chance of secession from ethiopia.but the rest of the kilils is impossible because of geographical and millions( 10th of millions)of peoples(different ethnics) share the same land , they live together, it is impossible to separate them .Even if they want secession that will lead to a civil war.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TA,

            If Tigray, Somali & Gambella succeeds according your hypothesis, am I not right we will not see the Ethiopia we know? Are you really you don’t care if it happened?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            The topic was about opdo(not tplf) break up from eprdf .and am not calling for civil war, i think u r the one calling for civil war by saying ” if opdo opted separation from eprdf, it is the beginning of the disintegration of eprdf and that will lead to secession” what i say was u don’t have idea about ethiopia. That will never happen and ur above comment will lead ethiopians to civil war. Not secession.
            And there is a chance for tigrai , somali and gambala to secession. Not other parts of ethiopoa simply because it is impossible.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi TA,

            Look your last paragraph the three regions have a chance for secession. So my question was is it good for the Ethiopia we know? Second wether they will go for it or not the other social group could also trigger secession based on the constitution. The article on the constitution is not only deemed to the three only, it is to any social group. I think you don’t know what are you are talking.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            U r the one who don’t know what u talking about . reread the constitution( artical 39). What it say about the criteria for secession.
            2nd, even if we take ur understanding of secession true , it is impractical to implement it and that lead to civil war.
            Secession is not good for ethiopia but it is much better secession of tigrai than civil war .they r the one unwilling to live in the country democratically .

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Aman,

            I would like to point out that

            “The lasting solution is when you are able to solve your problem by yourself. Sit in a round table discuss even for weeks or months. That was the tradition of TPLF. You have to have that culture of debate.”
            is a culture reserved for addressing factionalism WITHIN EPRDF. It has not been seen as being applied to anyone else outside EPRDF.

            In a way, this is the crux of the problem. TPLF has to destroy or dominate any other political opponent. It is not hyperbole.. it is their history and which they are quite proud of. I do not think they are ready to have a political role in the nation that is more within the relative size of their constituency.

            You do know that they are threatening to end the ethnic federation, or to break Oromia into several units, or to break-up EPRDF, or to secede and thereby embark on mutual destruction? Right?

            We will see how it goes.

            Amde

          • Kaddis

            Hi Amde,
            I prefer to stick to official lines. There is no lack of official info but informed analysis. OPDO is certainly changing. And it have to .Most focus on its incompetence and corruption as OPDO claims scapegoating TPLF. Their next step is to prove they can better govern their region with thier progressive and empowered leaders. The economic, social and regional policy including revolutionary democracy works as per their assessment. Except bad governance. Which policy options would they take going solo? As I mentioned on other treads, their alleged sympathising tendency towards OLF is non existent rather the other way around. OLF looks shifting closer to OPDO. I don’t see the motivation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Kaddis,
            “There is no lack of official info but informed analysis.” I can’t agree more.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amde,

            What will be the result? I really don’t think the nation will survive..that will the end of the game..So please take care..

            KS,,

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Gash Amde,

            Glad to have you back; I was really waiting for you these past few days when severe scrutiny of Dr. Abiye suddenly became a hot issue. When his speeches were listened to and discussed none of the allegation that speedily became rampant were raised. It has only erupted after he was elected to OPDO chairmanship, knowing what that meant in the context of the current governance system.

            The first thing that popped up in my mind was that the good Dr. had been entrusted to key government functions among which was a miniterial post. Nothing was said about his superficiality about science when he led a ministry on that field, and which included technology.

            Thus, I tried to rationalize my views about what trusted and bright fellow forumers posted by recognizing his right to the benefit of the doubt. Barricading myself in this, and awaiting more information from friends who usually rely on better sources and grace us with reasonable inputs, I hinted in one of my exchanges on the issue with saay7 that threat cutting propaganda campaigns may not be ruled out when politicians are subjected to sudden attacks and allegations that sometimes stretched to defamation and character assassination. I am glad you have provided a clue in this regard by citing who the principal negative campaign sponsor are (TPLF and Jawar group). I am one of those who followJawar public relations activities but never heard him saying anything about Dr. Abiye or any other.

            Thus, as long as the good Dr. is clean from corruption, serious wrong doing that can commensurate to levels of criminal offenses or treasonous acts of any kind, then the allegation about self-centredness and populism remain in the realm of public relations campaigns that may not disqualify him to take the post of prime minister and perform well as he had done with the lesser posts he had been entrusted with. By the way, I can now sustain my suspicion about who Brook Michel was, on whose behalf he had embarked and by whom he was helped collecting the quotations Dr Abiy had plagiarized.

            As to chances of success or failure he might fact in case he becomes a prime minister, this is a fate any leader in a transition is expected to face. Actually, a politician who had ambition to implement his vision would not opt to risk his future by taking a job as a leader of a country involved in fluid transitional politics. He just would not choose to be burned; he would simply await on the side line and anticipate his chances after the system stabilizes. The risk of transitional leadership function would in most cases be taken by politicians driven by call of patriotism. I do not know by which of the two motives I just mentioned guide Dr. Abiy Ahmed venture to lead Ethiopia under the current circumstances.

            In regard to OPDO factions, especially the Lemma Megersa one, they would do better if they could find convergence points if they want to take up the historic moment the current political situation in the country offers their people. The cardinal challenge to them all will be how united they would be to shouder responsibilities the transition bears and stir the country towards stability and progress.

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Ismail,
            “Dr. Abie does have the right to benefit of doubt…”
            Benefit of doubt for what aspect of him? We are not jailing him. He is being considered for a PM post. That is not a place of “the benefit of a doubt”.
            1. He plagiarizes
            2. He advances untrue claims
            3. He has done nothing to stabilize and lead Oromia
            4. He represents crisis

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat,

            Good morning (my time). Just seen your comments, and thanks for your time.

            The answer to “what aspect of him ” should be given the benefit of doubt is his right to be “considered for a PM post”. I mean no one who comments about him from side lines in a free forum like ours should pre-judge his competence or incompetence in lieu of the voters in his constituency. Indulging in such business has the risk of jumping on the bandwagon of his opponents some of whom Amde had mentioned.

            Judging his success or failure to “stabilize and lead Oromia” rests in the domain of that constituency, and the fact that he has been elected to chairmanship of OPDO should tell us a bit more on that score. Besides, whether he would represent crisi[es] or become a beacon of resolving them is yet to be seen though his performances in the posts he held before provides clues in favor of the latter. Hence, citizens who support or oppose him could have other criteria than what are insistently being underscored in this forum to the extent of reducing them to clichés on the tip of our tongues.

            In regard to the points you raised in # 1 and 2, no one should get benefit of doubt for transgression committed under 1, which I consider a capital offense. Attitudes that fall under # 2 are not also permissible though socio-cultural settings will have to be considered.

            Thus, dearest Hayat, the wise thing to do as outside observers regarding the current political affairs in Ethiopia is await what the citizens directly concerned are going to do.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi the great Ismail,
            I don’t believe Dr Abiye deserves the benefit of the doubt at all, at least not by hiding what he did. He may deservesl the benefit of doubt from being judged by unfounded allegations against him. And we are not doing that.
            He is running for public and political office, and scrutiny is not out of place. There are people who are championing him here at this forum and those of us who thought his character falls short are putting our opinions. All the four problems I mentioned above disqualify him from seeking public office, by my book. And I am within my right to put out my observations about any public personality, Eritrean or non-Eritrean.
            This guy is a plagiarizer, self-romanticizer, advancers of untrue and unscientific thoughts and he represents a region on crisis. Unless someone wants all those bad qualities to scale them up countrywide, why would any party or citizens want such a con artist to put at the helm?!
            I was asking the respectable Amde to tell me about what he thinks are his qualities. The only thing he could come with was that he supported him for he is tired of Tplf.
            Poor Tplf! The only time Ethiopia made it out of the centuries old shithole was since Tplf/Eprdf came to power. There is something wrong with Tplf’s way of relating to others. They don’t get credit even for the grand successes they brought to Ethiopia.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hayat,
            Allow me to interject here. As far as Aby and others are concerned, I am fine with whatever the Ethiopians decide, and that is half the story.

            The first half is that I fully recognize the changes the TPLF brought to Ethiopia. It’s commendable The other half is, I cannot help but judge the TPLF based in Eritrean interests. And that is where I am totally disappointed.

            Indeed there is something about the relations of TPLF to Eritrea. It’s policies are not clear to me, an avid follower of that, let alone to the average person. In many aspects—secrecy, narrow mindedness,, reckless tactics—they are a copy of the PFDJ. They do not appreciate friends and allies, but yes men and lackys. With that, I am afraid I would settle for Anyobe the Ethiopians chose. It’s tine the Eritrean issue is handled based on all Ethiopia, not remain a portfolio of TPLF forever. This is what I have reached after years of giving the benefit of the doubt to the TPLF.

          • Thomas

            Hi Saleh,

            You have strong points about the tplf policies on Eritrea. I know you won’t be comfortable to go farther than what you said. However, I want to learn from your analysis of the situation. So, my questions to you is what would you have expected to do for them to resolve the Eritrea and Ethiopia problem? Are you for the border demarcation would have solved anything and everything? Would you say the tplf did not do enough to support the Eritrean oppositions or try to support us get rid of the mafias regime? I have to be honest with you that I am not happy with the tplf handling for the Eritrean cause? That they made a mistake telling us that Eritrea’s problem is only Eritrea’s problem. I think Issayas was their problem to because he has done everything at his disposal in trying to get rid of them. I think they seemed to like our suffering. I don’t know may be they were looking at Issayas as their own and they did not to take bolder decisions because of that “he is one of us” mentality.

          • Amde

            Hi Gash Saleh,

            Well, my tea leaves are telling me a TPLF behind an Agazian project post Isayyas is a distinct possibility. Start to plan for that contingency. Who gets chosen as PM will say a lot if we start moving up from possibilities to probabilities.

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ato Amde,

            I see you are digging deep!

            You have to be an Eritrean Amde, at least by 50%! When people lose trust, they start to think about the unthinkable, the benefit of the doubt loses currency, and more thinking produces scary scenarios. For example: what makes you think only the Agazian can forge such an alliance? Isn’t there other possibly scary alliances that can be molded as a reaction? But why go there unless one is so reckless. I hope Ethiopians are not that foolish–we have identified our foolish lots, and what the possible damage they can do are, which assure us that half the job is already done. Sounds like a puzzle? Probably it is 🙂

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Hayat,

            It is pleasure to have you stay in the forum and enjoy your bold and witty observations. I wish if there more women of your caliber in this forum. As far as our women are concerned I believe participation and contribution outweigh my agreeing or disagreeing on views expressed. That said, thus, let me jot in points a few things in regard to response comments:

            1. You bet ! aspiring men and women for public office should be subjected to close scrutiny. Dr. Abiye Ahmed should not be an exception. And, I agree with you that anyone of us is entitled to expressing opinion on anyone seeking crucial public office.

            2. But clarity of vision and competence to express them in concrete program of action take (in my view) overshadow proven or unproven shortcomings that could impact the character or personality of the an aspirant.

            3. The point is about recognizing that humans are not, unfortunately, perfect. As long as Dr. Abiye will be found by his constituency, and countrywide voters in general, competent to occupy and run the office of prime minister, I hardly believe the said shortcomings (self-romanticizing has been added to the list) would have role in determining the mood of the voters.

            4. I agree with you about the achievements the EPRDF and TPLF as powerful partner have attained. Perhaps what have been done may exceed many folds what the country had achieved during imperial and socialist eras. The hope is the country shall move through steady and peaceful democratic transformation that can give it equitable governance system that would sustain the economic and political changes it has been enjoying.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hayat; you said ” There is something wrong with Tplf’s way of relating to others. They don’t get credit even for the grand successes they brought to Ethiopia.” When you say there is something wrong, you seem to insinuate that this happens to the Tigryans once more. if so, when was the last time the Tigryans misunderstood and failed to get credit? Speaking of credit, what kind of credit do you think the Eritreans got when they placed TPLF 4killo? maybe this is karam. you know Karam is a B****.

    • blink

      Dear kibrom
      What ever happened to the next PM , nothing will change . EPRDF is a TPLF old car , they can drive to any direction they wanted . What they will not do is , they will not use METEC and Effort to run wild . The Tigrian hardliners who wanted to continue the status quo will try to flex their muscles from the security chief and military boss , which is both a TPLF belt. The demonstration must continue and crush these thieves.

      • Selam blink,

        I was sure you would say this “The demonstration must continue and crush these thieves”, or something like, what government are you talking about, the pm is a tplf puppet, tplf remains the uncontested master in ethiopia, the new government will be inept, having no power to reshuffle and rearrange the security, the army and public administration, etc. In other words, Tplf will continue to rule the land and the people of ethiopia till kingdom come, unless …

        Do you know, I have the impression that there are people who would never stop unless they see tplf blood flowing in the streets, and ethiopia becomes chaotic and finally disintegrates. What do you think?

        Your wise and at the same time sinister advice says “The demonstration must continue and crush these thieves.”. Funny, it looks so right and at the same time so honest coming from a person one could have characterized as an ethiophile. Unfortunately, i do not remember you having said a similar thing, when religious school students demonstrated in asmara some months ago. Why don’t you have a similar advice for eritreans against pfdj?

        Thanks but no thanks, ethiopians are doing a lot better, things alien to african politics, like sitting together and electing the next pm, is happening in ethiopia.

        • blink

          Dear Horizon
          The probability of crushing PFDJ by one school protester is below zero. If for example others joined these students and occupy Asmara main streets or Keren streets I will say the protest must continue but as you know the students and some families will not fill the streets. We are lagging like by 180 degree from the Ethiopians on the streets. We need may be a miracle to reach that level. It’s not that I did not want protests to rock in Asmara , it’s just not the time at this time point because the dictator is ahead of the opposition but in Addis the opposition is coming from ORomo and Amhara which are over 60% of the population and if the Tigrinya raise one day to challenge Issaias it will be over for him.
          I am not saying protest must continue to see blood , to the opposite of that I believe a peaceful protest is the only healthy one to bring justice to the people. I believe in a collective way of doing things.

          If you follow the Akria thing , it is just not that much a problem for the dictator and probably the people inside Asmara were not up in arms to support the students.
          Believe me I do not have any negative thoughts about the Ethiopians.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam blink,
            .
            ” Believe me I do not have any negative thoughts about the Ethiopians”
            You sound like a disciple of Trump.
            I am going to make a blanket statement that will annoy a lot of people. People like you have been making the wrong decisions and choices at every crucial point for your country. When is it going to change I wonder.
            .
            I know it will not make any sense to you, but TPLF and those around them were the best friend Eritrea, not PIA but Eritrea had. That is in the process of changing into a decidedly Ethiocentric leadership. There will not be an illusion when it comes to protecting Ethiopia’s interest anymore. But your emotional response would reveal your detachment from reality and nothing more, I will just tell you, time will tell as time had told you.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Sela k h
            Once everybody(ethiopians) accepted eritrea independence, what makes u think ethiocentric is bad and tigratigragn is good for eritrea??? What is best friends for u people?
            What makes u think who ever claim is eritrean(here in awate) is eritrean?

          • Hope

            Selam KH and Horizon:
            There is one FACT and Consensus and a Universal Imoression :
            If the TPLF is gone for good peaceful or makes concessions and a Real Democracy and representation is materialized soon,Ethiopia and Ethiopians can do better and that will minimize further crisis.
            That is exactly blink’s impression or wish and u cannot single him out from more than 150 million Horn People simply coz he is an Eritrean.
            What is your all anger about here?
            Where and when did u see or hear Blink et al saying ” Ethiopia will or should disintegrate?”
            Well,the fact of matter is that if your TPLF continues to do what it is doing,there will be more bloodshed and chaos like what has been going for the last ten years,the fact and the truth,u cannot deny or refute under any circumstance or excuse!

          • Natom Habom

            selam Kim hanna
            Yeah they love us so mush that because of the colors of our eyes
            Is different they pillage stole , Eritrean wealth and expel ,the elderly,children ,pregnant,veterans .
            Yes so much love that we will never forget until we return
            That love soon.

    • Thomas

      Hi Kbrom,

      The fact you talk about getting reports from inside Eritrea is very impressive because there is no information that leaks from the regime. The regime in Eritrea is very good at keeping their mafia’s dealings to themselves and almost no one is so far able to break their circle of secrecy. So, we gave you credit and somehow believed your sources about the information you have been sharing with us here. However, I happen no more to believe or validate your information or the claims/unverified claims for that matter about what is happening in the affairs of Ethiopia (The EPRDF/ruling party). The reason for your information is not credible is that the ruling party in Ethiopia is no more a closed one. Everything that is happening in Ethiopia (by the government or opposition) is getting out in the open market at the speed of light. So, don’t even try your game or you will lose your credibility and become irrelevant seconding to the oromo boy who like to call himself nitricc.

      • Kbrom

        Dear Thomas,

        Thank you for your advise. With all due respect, I have to say the following.

        Like most members in AT, I am trying to make modest contribution and mainly learning from the experienced and valuable members. That is the only reason for me to receive and impart information and ideas through AF. I am not here for any ‘breaking news popularity’.

        I would appreciate it, if you see the sharing of information and the process of discussion as a way to fight against human rights abuses and promotion of social justice in Eritrea ; chiefly, information being used as a method of advocating for the well being of our people and fight against the culture of erasure.

        For me, I try to see and analyse any development in Ethiopia from the best interest of Eritrean people. The stand and handling of the would be PMAA towards Eritrea is a point of great concern, for many reasons that I do not want to share for now.

        What we are trying to do in here is to make the lost truth become graspable and create a powerful tools, portals and forums to spread our messages, stay informed, and build bridges to drive the peaceful change we all aspire. We are trying to promote transparency and accountability of governments when they try to suppress truth.

        It will be more constructive and meaningful if we talk about the content instead of the forms and other cosmetic ጓል መንገዲ! If you have different opinion or want to refute the post you can get your point across by providing a decently constructed viewpoints in a much more positive way, without letting emotions get involved.

        Thanks

        • Thomas

          Hi Kbrom,

          Again, we all know what is happening in Ethiopia. Go and listen to voa tigrigna/amharic, visit websites such esat media, facebook sources and all medias from within and outside of Ethiopia everything is said. I can even say that it is exaggerated beyond its proportions. Most off all, I can refer to Issayas’ media and Issayas himself to get the kind of news you are spreading. I think this is enough. Of course, we will hear you guys claim victory over the tplf as if that has to do with anything going inside Eritrea. I know there will be lots of gual within the Issayas crowd then.

    • sara

      Dear kbrom..
      i read what down there what i was afraid will ensue if you go out of the line commonly accepted in the forum… that is don’t report analyze or criticize – the xxxx and xxxxx but go only after Machiavelli?

      • Kbrom

        Dear Sara,

        ግርም ሌላ ይግበረልና እሞ

        I do not bother at all about approvals. I really worship Lao Tzu’s advice.

        ‘Care about people’s approval, and you will always be their prisoner.

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi All,
    Eternal peace and rest to Hajj Mussa.
    ——-
    Under normal conditions, the youth of any nation are ready to die to protect the children, women and elders. In Eritrea, the elders still die for the young in the most unceremonious way. Normal social and moral vslues died in Yike’allo; Yika’alo values died in Warsai; Warsai guards prisons where elders like DiruE and Hajj Mussa perish under his watch. A broken country! A broken society!

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi Queen,

      This is the society I and my generation were all the way,,through..

      But we should not give up..

      KS,,

    • Beyan

      Dear Hayat,

      Some people have that gift of piercing to the heart of the matter in a few lines. Your four lines above captures the essence of the topsy-turvy and the lopsided moral universe Eritrea has been in the trajectory of in the last 26 years. it’s been so mind-numbing, one doesn’t know what to say anymore akin to what the man at the helm of the White House is doing. The only obvious difference is that the institutions, the rule of law, the constitution combined have been resilient to withstand it. Imagine, if none of these safeguards were in place, this man would’ve run this nation to the bunkers. The midterm election taking place later this year will tell us where Americans stand. If they stick to their party-line or rid themselves of this unpredictable leader who should be stripped off any support from his Republican party base by unseating the political leaders who are loyal to their jobs and their party-line than do the right things by their people. Essentially, that’s the only way to weaken him. Maybe then, only then, Congress can find him unfit to lead and impeach him. Of course, the ongoing investigation by Mueller may find the man in the colluding course with the Russians’ interference in the elections of 2016, at which point, he may end up behind bars. But, I digressed big time, didn’t I?

      At any rate, I just want to say, wish sensible individuals like you keep frequenting this forum. When you disappear from the scene, there is something important that gets missed from the mix of many quick thinkers we have in the forum. The original angle that you always seem to come up with. Good to hear you’re well, my sister.

      Good Sunday to you!

      Beyan

      • Hayat Adem

        Merhaba Dr. Bayan,
        While everyone knows that you are both the lead grace and the lead substance of this forum, it is so nice of you to shower me with such kind words for my intermittent and little contributions. Thank you.
        Hayat
        P.S.What you said of Trump is spot on and relevant.

        • Beyan

          Selam Kbirti HA,

          It’s all a deserved accolade my sister. If it is any consolation – I am sure it will cause some consternation to many others – but you are one of YG’s favorite debaters. In fact, he used to tell me pay attention to Hayat. She is as sharp as a dagger. Her comments are always on target. I can go on and on. In fact, I almost made a comment on a different thread where you guys were talking about SGJ’s and YG’s written words found a medium in a newly minted magazine (Discourse). As SGJ said it, it took forever for it to be launched. YG was getting frustrated with it, too, because the region changed so much that he had to ask the editors to acknowledge that the analysis was done way before the regional games were changing vastly. But his piece still resonates because Ethiopia’s no-war-no-peace policy did not take into consideration this very fact: That the regional changes could impact Ethiopia negatively by deciding to play the waiting out game vis-a-vis its policy with Eritrea. I read YG’s piece because he shared it with me.

          YG did mention that it would be made available through some sort of online mechanism. I have ye to read the rest of the pieces that were there. If the video wouldn’t surface, although I knew SGJ had a piece in the Discourse, I wouldn’t have had the chance to get a sense of what our Ustaaz Saleh’s piece was about either. For a magazine to get a hiccup of the sort it did, and coming from a country that has coffers that can run the entire of the Horn of Africa, it was I thought a case of ineptitude. Imagine, if they were to do promotions and made it available for the diaspora to get its hands on the magazine, it would’ve been a smash success. Needless to say, it appears to be on the mediocre end.

          Sincerely,
          Beyan

          • Nitricc

            Hi Beyan; since you are a friend of YG; do you share his believes? I don’t mean to put on the spot but I need to know. Thanks.

    • Alex

      Hi Hayat,
      Yikeallo made history defeating the biggest army in Africa and Warsai my generation stopped TPLF aggression. And what did you do. You are just Monday night quarterback. Our country and society are not broken. It is your wishful thinking that is broken. If you want to fight PFDJ go a head, but do not blame everyone as all are responsible for the Government plunder.

      • blink

        Dear Alex
        She forgot she has been insulting Yika alo with people who are the arc enemy of Eritrean revolution. She is the admirer of YG who thinks Eritreans has zero reason to start a revolution. The intelligence dishonesty of such people in this forum is mind boggling. She manufactured a village in Eritrea only to accuse ELF . She was just accusing our revolutionaries for crime they did not committed.

        • Thomas

          Hi Blink,

          You are blinking too much. Did you just lose your sight or it has been there we just did notice it?

      • Thomas

        Hi Alex or Alemayhu,

        It is broken beyond repair. I don’t expect you to care since all you care is for the wellness of the dictator. You are blinded by your hate of the Eritrean society so you will always deny whatever is happening to their existences. I see you praying to prolong the suffering of my people just to extend the grip of power by the blood sucking mafias.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Alex,
        Yika’llo made history defeating the biggest army in Africa and then made history defeating the Eritrean cause. Yika’llo made history shooting at its disabled veteran fighters. Yika’llo made history building the highest prison per capita in the world.
        Warsai is a disgrace. What history did they make: they run away or they stand guard on watching the prison population; or work as slaves for the PFDJ economy.

        • Thomas

          Hi Hayat,

          It is really painful, but true. We will need to discuss the hard truth to heal our wounds or we will be the victims of our own causes for good. We must face the reality face on or we will perish.

          • iSem

            Hi Hayat and Thomas:

            one thing that puzzles me and that proves that Eritrea is indeed broken and its future is in taters is this: during the struggle against the biggest army in Africa (Egypt is in Africa last time I checked) we had 100o prisoners freed by gallant fighters from Sembel and Adi Qualla by the good work done by Eritrreans from inside and outside the prison, in the cities and in the jungle and guess who was in charge Ethiopians. And that time is Eritrea’s gilded age. Now we have 400 prisons and not a single person has been released from prison and who is in charge of the prisons, Eritreas, the guards, the drs, the managers are all supposedly Eritreans and we have people slowly dying off in prison and ppl like blink are worried why Teddy Afro sings Eritrean songs and fear tat Ethiopia is goin to annex Eritrea, a notion that is not in the cards, this is from the book of who cares if ppl wanted it and they think that will bring peace. Countries change names, change flags separate, become one. I always believed that the independence day, may 24 must be changed to the date we enshrine the const. or the date PFDJ is removed, but now I am even toying with changing the even the name Eritrea, after all it is not a word that is found in any Eritrea language and it has a colonial legacy. And you would think that PFDj supporters would go for this idea because whenever I debate them about that flag of theirs, they say theirs is better than the original flag from the 1950s because that flag was given to us by the UN. So Eritrea was given to us by Italians so let us remove the vestiges of colonization. So countries change names, Rodeshia to Zimbaw and Burma to Myanmar etc. And for sure the flag, the idea fighting over a piece of cloth is for teh faint of minds. Canada changes its flags by putting it to public competition and one citizen’s proposal won the current flag. We can do the same for Eritrea flag. I propose a white piece of cloth with the wors written across it horizontal and vertically with blue clour: “This is Eritrea” or whatever name we come up to replace thsi Greek word

          • Nitricc

            Semere; I think it is a good thing people like you are out of Africa. because Africa have a very difficult and long journey to go, especially Eritrea. Out of those challenges, like health care, education, justice, social justice, roads, Agriculture and fighting all ills of our society, you wanted people to argue about their country’s name and flag? WOW. I am glad you are where you are.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Sem,

            Do you think these people will understand what they are talking?Do they know the logic that will naturally drag them, that the name “Eritrea” itself is a baptized name by foreigners? I don’t think so.

          • iSem

            Hi Emma:
            I proposed the name change a long time ago when the EPLF were complaining that the flag was gifted to us by UN, following the same logic you would thing they would not oppose it. But I would really propose the may 24 change, I do not have problem celebrating it as a day the 30 year war was wrapped up with the victory of our armed struggle, but we should have an other day for independence, as independence is not divorced from liberty and freedom that is our armed struggle was not a brute for territorial demarcation only, the freedom and liberty was baked in it. I also would definitely change the flag and I was serious with a white flag and this is Eritrea, no bells and while meaningless and definitely would not have a problem changing the name of the country that reflects our citizenship, but definitely NOT Agazaain

          • saay7

            Berhe:

            Mereb + Gash = Merebash. ምርባሽ
            Mereb + Setit = Meretit. (Haile will tell you what that means)
            Mereb + Tekeze = Mereze (Too easy)

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Saay7,
            ወሪዱኒ ኣነ ዒሉ
            ንእስነተይ ጭልፋ ዘይኣልዓልኩሉ
            ሰቲት ክሳገር ሸተት ኣይብለሉ
            ምስ መረብ መሬት ኣትየ ስውር እንድዕሉ
            ነዊሕ እዩ ጉዕዝኡ ድሓር ምቕልቃሉ

          • Berhe Y

            Dear saay,

            I think you meant to say iSem.

            You know iSem is in his own world sometimes, and he doesn’t seem to get his priority right.

            I know discussing flag and the name is important but not that important considering where the situation where our country and people are. It’s just giving ammunition to the PFDJ and give them legitimacy to discredit us.

            He gave the Canadian example about changing the flag, they did that over 100 years later after the confederation…

            What I think we should focus is…honestly I am tired of saying, Mengiste semay yewarso…for all the death that’s causing by IA.

            I don’t want even to say PFDJ anymore…there is no PFDJ, except IA…he is PFDJ, he is the Eritrean government and he is responsible for all the things that’s going wrong in our country.

            We should focus on how to get rid off him and nothing else. dead or alive.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Berhe:

            Sorry I don’t know why I wrote Berhe when I meant iSem. It’s like you are twins: and u are the good one and he is Agent Provacateur 🙂

            Agree with ur points on prioritizing; I suspect so does iSem but he does enjoy needling people. On his extensive dictionary, the word ሸለል doesn’t exist. He is a counterpuncher.

            saay

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Please don’t forget there are serial rapists, Serial killers and other gang criminals who are doing everything to save the Issayas regime and themselves. Let’s not try to leave any criminal out on the streets. The whole Issayas system is infected and have committed gross human right violations. Just know the victims know who the real criminals are so not to worry about this.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            Please do not get me wrong. I am not suggesting we let criminal lose and we do not do anything about it. My point is the capo, is where the buck stops.

            For example, when we say, PFDJ or GoE, we are really masking and giving cover for crimes committed by IA.

            Without IA, there is no GoE or PFDJ..he is GoE and PFDJ…all those under him (under PFDJ or GoA) have no power except to fulfill the orders…

            For example in era eiro he has say 50 military and national service people guarding the G-15 and the journalists. If for what ever reason, he decided to replace all 50 of them with another 50, do you think he will not be able to find people to replace them.

            Now those 50 that are freed from the position, are they capable of creating another era – eiro without getting orders / funds from him.

            I am not trying to make them unaccountable but their crimes (compared to the real crimes committed by him) is irrelevant.

            So what we need to focus is to create wedge between him (IA) and everyone under him.

            For example a simple question. like who is this IA guy in the first place?

            Where did he come from? How is it possible for him to do what he was able to do and continue to do? What’s his real power? We need to dig all and every information about him and discredit him…isolate him from everyone else..that’s the first step to the process of people to stop the fear…and then we build our case..

            I still do not understand why we do not have detail information about him…about his upbringing…about the school he attended…about the friends he had..what type of person he was…etc..etc.. He didn’t land from space..just think about it….how many people can say so many things about each and everyone of…starting from our family members, our school friends, our tegadelit friends etc…

            Who the hell is this guy?

            Berhe

          • Thomas

            Hi Berhe,

            Thank you for the step by step elaboration. However, there are too many criminals who already have done enough jailing, killing and raping that is aside from what the dictator is doing. There are documented crimes done by the dictator and there are also documented crimes done by individuals (not necessarily by the order of the dictator). if we keep saying it is only the dictator who is committing crimes, the savages will continue with the what they are doing, wasting the lives of of our innocent people.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Thomas,

            I don’t think you are getting what I am saying….I am not saying there are no criminals who are taking orders from him and fulfilling them and at the same time doing their own crimes and he looks the other way (until such time) he wants to use / throw them away. I am not trying to make any philosophical argument here but realistic approach to our problems…

            Why do you think the the Baath party in Iraq (Saddam), the Green party in Libya (Gaddafi), the Nazi on Germany (Hitler), the Derg (Mengistu) etc..all these criminal organizations did not survive after the leaders (founders) were taken out.

            PFDJ and GoE, is IA. He controls them, the molded them, he orders them and he does what ever that he wants with them. If he doesn’t exist, then all the apparatus associated with his criminals activities will disappear (as in captured, exiled, run away etc) and no body will be left to defend the regime.

            For example, Gen Philipos is one of the criminals who is serving the regime. If Philipos dies or eliminated, I am sure IA will be able to replace with another General Hagos that we have never heard off before. So if you want to help destroy the system, would you spend and your efforts focusing on IA or on Philipos….again, please do get my point, I am not absolving Gen Philipos and his crimes.

            That’s the reason when the FBI or any other government wants to destroy a mafia organization, they go after credible evidence that incriminate the head of the family…not that the other criminals are not important but if they go after the boss the cause the maximum damage. …and sometimes they use his own people to get to him (to get to the boss).

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi Sal and BY:
            chill out guys, I am on target, I was addressing ppl like blink agonizing over an artist singing Eritrean song, he had all day back and forth with me, he was not bothered much by the death of Haile D, they consider this as unionization , so I said who cares if the ppl in the future decide to change their flag, their name many countries did. Bu my point was responding to Hayat and Thomas that how come we were able to release 1000 prisoners and penetrate the enemy belly while the enemy was in charge and we cannot do that when the prisons are stuffed by Eritreans,
            But I will no have any nostalgia towords changes of the names, the flag the may 24, I can even vote fore or introduce a motion for it
            The fiction that the pfdj and the semi pfdj is a distraction, Teddy afro sang wedi Tukabo’s song, Tiffany Hadish came to Eritrea, is non sense, the great great grand daughter of Pushkin had twins thru surrogate mom, stuff like nitricc and others bring here in this form.
            Sal poked fun on it, but BY was talking to Emma a lot and did not:-)
            Sorry Emma, I got to say that after you did not get the love letter MS and comrades wrote the other week, he fell in love because the girl was poleticawi niqhat neriwa 🙂

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere; Tell the truth. I believe once your dream, riding the Weyane Tanks is shattered and dead, your mind started to explore how other ways can be materialized to your dream of Agaizian nation. No one will waste a Nano-second on the garbage ideas you came up with and the energy you have dispensed to post it. The Eritrean flag and the name of Eritrea will be for ever and ever. If I have too bet, I will bet you are half Tigryan and your ultimate dream is Agazian state in which it will never happen! Nop!

          • blink

            Dear isem
            You are funny infact to funny that you are able to nock the one who couldn’t swallow wedi Aker thinks Eritrea is not legit name . I give you my vote for running the Meles admirer guy to run wild for his dream. What a product from a Canadian man who reached Canada through Sudan to educate an ex-ELF Meles admirer to think his views matter more than his younger generation. You semere Andom first have to try wedi-Aker then you can talk.

            Eritrea will stay and the flag will stay , what will not stay is your dream. That’s what I can say for now.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Sem,

            Anything that is not approved by the Eritrean people through their own representatives, doesn’t bear any legality whatsoever. Even if current holidays, administrative units, the flag, the national languages are to be used, still they have to be approved by the legislatures. So there is not need of debate on them b/c they are constitutional by nature.

          • Nitricc

            SEMERE: it is okay to say what is eating you. it is okay let it out. when you said ” but definitely NOT Agazaain.” NOT capitalized indicates the real intent. First of all you believe and dream the creation of Agazian. Guess who awate-forum introduced to the crazy Agaiazian man, Tesfatsion? Bingo Semere Andom. why suffer? come out and say it. Why do you think your greatest dream is, I mean it was! for TPLF to get you to Asmara? you are just dead soul person.

          • iSem

            Hi private Nitricc;
            I did not write the comments for you:-)

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Now u talking the inner u, u siad”the name “eritrea” itself is a baptized name by foreigners”
            So why is u were elf if u ever been to elf?

          • Thomas

            Hi iSem,

            I am afraid they/supporter of PFDJ might want the picture of the big mafia printed on the flag. Overall, their slogan is not Eritrea/the country but “nihna nisu”

  • Ismail AA

    Dear all,

    The tall lantern of justice and freedom that lighted the Eritrean land from the center of Akhria has dimmed but shall never be extinguished. Haji Musa’s sons and daughters shall brighten it more to continue illuminating the spirit of resistance of their wounded nation. He had educated multitudes of Eritreans through uncompromising consistency in youth and old age how they will have to attain the lofty ideals he stood and fought for. And, to the chagrin of the to the corridors of despotism and corruption, the spark of freedom that was lit at the Diaé School on 31 October 2017 shall never be extinguished with the passing away of Haji Musa.

    May his soul rest in peace.

  • G. Gebru

    ንዕኦም መንግስተሰማያት የውርሶም፣ ንቤተሰብን ፈተውትን ከአ ጽንዓት ይሃብ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ከአ መዋጽእቲ ይፍጠረሉ።

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    ሰላም ደምበ ዓወተ,

    ሎሚ መዓልቲ መዓልቲ ሓዘን ናይ ስድራ ቤት ደለይቲ ፍትሒ እያ:: አቦና ሓጂ ሙሳ ኣብ ቤት ማእሰርቲ ህግደፍ ዓሪፎሞ ሎሚ ናይ ቀብሪ ስነስርዓት ተገይሩሎም:: እዞም ዓቢ አቦ: ካብንእስነቶም ጀሚሮም ክሳዕዛ ዝዓረፋላ ዕለት: ንሰላምን ፍትሕን እንዳተቃለሱ ተፋንዮምና::

    አቦና ሓጅ ሙሳ:ኣብነታውን መትከላዊን ዝኾነ ጽንዓት ዘርኣይዎ: ኣብ ሰብኣዊን ፍትሓውን መሰል ህዝቢ ኤርትራ: ንወለዶታት ክዝከር ክነብር’ዩ:: ሓርበኛ ይመውት ቃልሱ ግን ቀጻሊ’ዩ:: እዛ መዓልቲ እዚኣ ነቦና ሓጂ ሙሳ ንሳናበተላ መዓልቲ ጥራይ ዘይኮነትሲ ነቲ ዝተሰውእሉ ዕላማ ቃል ንኣትወላ መዓልቲውን እያ:: ኣምላኽ ኣብ መንግስተሰማያቱ ይቀበሎም:: ጽንዓት ንስድራበቶምን ደለይቲ ፍትሕን::

    ንበርትዕ
    አ.ሕ

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Mr. Amnuel Hidrat,

      A remarkable Hero from start to finish. Those of us who only knew him briefly and from a distance were touched by his dedicated service to his people and country and by his final ordeal at the hands of the heartless. How blessed must have been those who knew him in person!

      May he rest in peace!
      “ጽንዓት ንስድራበቶምን ደለይቲ ፍትሕን” Amen.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        ሰላም ፋንቲ ጋና,

        እቲ ቀንዲ ዕማም ናይ ተቃለስቲ ኤርትራውያን ክኸውን ዘለዎ አብዚ ጊዜ’ዚ: ንሕልንኡ ዘዕረበ ሓድሽ ወለዶ ትንፋስ ህይወት ቃልሲ ምስኳዕ’ዩ:: ካብ ኣብ መዛናጊዒሽግር ካልኦት ሃገራት ከዋግዕ ዝውዕል ናብ ሽግርን ማእሰርቲ ህዝቡን አቃልቦ ክገብር ምግባር:: ካብ ኣቦታቱን ኣያታቱን እንዳተጓተቱ ኣብ ጎዳጉድ ወኻሩ ተሳቅዮሞ ክመቱ ስቅ ኢሎም ካብምርኣይ: ሐንሓኒ ሕልና ኣጥርዩ ነቲ ዘብርሶ ዘሎ ኢህግደፋዊ ስርዓት ምግባር’ዩ:: ነዚ ኩነታትዚ ክሳዕ ዘይፈጠርና ነቲ “ህዝቢ ንምድሓን ዝብል ኣምራዊ ቃልሲ” ድልዋት አይኮናን:: ብሓጺሩ ዕዮገዛና ገና አይፈለጥናዮን ኢና ዘሎና:: እቲ ዘገርም ካብኩሉ ኸአ ጸላኢኻ ሓደብሓደ እንዳጽነተካ: ብረት ኣይትተሓንገጥ ብሰላም ኢና ንቃለሶ እንዳበልካ ስረ ህዝቢ ንምፍታሕ ዝግበር ወፈራ’ዩ::

        ሰሰናዩ ንዓኻ
        አማኑኤል ሕድራት

  • Haile S.

    ሰላም ደቂ ዓወተ

    በጺሕና ጊዜ፡ ሓደ ዝኾነሉ
    ተሰዊኡ ዝብል ቃል ምስ ተበዲሉ
    ንሓጂ ሙሳ
    ምሕዛን ኣሕጺርና፡ ጀግንነቱ ነኽብረሉ

    ነጻነት ከምጽእ ዝሞተ ተሰዊኡ
    ተሰዊኡ፡ ዝሞተ ነጻነት ኣምጺኡ
    እንዳርኣየ ዝኸደ ተሰዊኡ
    ሰሚዑ ዘየድመጸ ተሰዊኡ
    ዓቕሚ ዘይብሉ ዝተረፈ ተሓቢኡ
    ነንብብ ኣብታ እንኮ ጋዜጣ፡ ተሰዊኡ
    ኤርትራ ኤርትራ ተዘሚሩሉ ብሰፊሑ
    ዘይግብኦ ዘይኮነስ፡
    እቲ ካልእ’ከ መን’ያ ትበኽየሉ እታ ኣዲኡ?
    ዋላ እኳ፡ ንብጾቱ ዝድርዕ፡ ይበሃል ነጻነት ኣምጺኡ?
    ጽባሕ ክበሃለሉ ኣየ ጀግና ዋይኡ?
    ኣይግድን። ዘደንጹ ግን፥
    ንፍትሒ ደው ዝበለ ተሪፉ ተደጒኑ ተሓቢኡ
    ክንብለሉ ዝግባእ ደጋጊምና ተሰዊኡ

    ክቡር ሓጂ ሙሳ ተበዲሉ
    ድሩዕ ተበዲሉ
    ብጭቕ ዝበለ ኹሉ ተበዲሉ
    መቑሕ ኣብ እግርን ኢድን ንኹሉ
    ክሳብ ዝኸይድ ሃጽ ንሓላሉ

    ክቡር ኣቦይ ሓጂ ሙሳ
    ኣይ’ሰማዕኩም ዋላ ሓንቲ ጣዕሳ
    ሃገር የውዕሎ ሓደ መዓልቲ ኣብ ናትኩም ካሕሳ
    ካብ ቀደም ጀሚሩ ዝፈጸምኩሞ ታሪኸ-ሞጎሳ
    ዝለገስኩሞ ሓገዝ ንኣሳሪኹም፡ ዕርዲ ጸላኢ ንኸፍርሳ
    ዝዕቖብኩሞም መናእሰይ ካብ ጥፍኣት ሓፈሳ
    ተኣሲርኩም ተፈሪድኩም ነጻ ወጺኹም ብስያሳ
    ሎሚ ዝተሳእነ ፍርዲ ተረኺቡ ሽዑ ሃገር ካብ ዝተጋሰሳ
    እዚ ኩሉ ከይተወርየ፡ ምእሳርኩም ተወርያ ነጊሳ
    ክንበብ ክንገር’ዩ ጀግንነትኩምን ዝወረደኩምን ኣበሳ
    ኢልኩም፡ ነዛ ቤት ትምህርትና መንግስቲ ክወርሳ
    ብሂወተይ እንከለኹ ክወስዳ ክሓፍሳ
    ተቐሪበ እነኹ ሂወተይ ክኸፍለላ ክልግሳ

    ዘረባኹም እንካን ሃባን፡ እስኪ ንላዘብ
    ሓሳብ ንለዋወጥ፡ ይትረፍካ ሃባ ንብረት ገንዘብ
    ኩሉ ሕራይ የለን፡ ንቕበሎ ግን ጽን ስማዕ ተዓዘብ

    እንሆ ኣተግቢርኩሞ
    ኣብ መንጎ ደቕኹም ቃል ዝኣተኹሞ
    ንቤት ትምህርትኹም ደው ዝበልኩሞ
    በሉ፥ ንኹሉ ፍትሒ ዝሰኣነ ኢኹም ወኪልክሞ
    ዘይርሳዕ ኣብነት ኣርኣያ ኰንኩሞ
    ዘይፈርስ ሓወልቲ ኣብ ርእሲ ኩሉ ነዲቕኩሞ።

  • Kbrom

    Dear all,

    Breaking news

    on the occasion of the funeral of director of Adia’e again the people upraised and there was gun fire for a while. Security forces from Adie Abieto and the division 22 led by the notorious Wedi haregot brought the situation under control.

    • Kbrom

      Happening now

      Security forces took 4 people ( all of them residents of Akria) from the funeral, allegedly accusing them as the organisers of the small mob.

  • Beyan

    ሰላም ዓብዱልቃድር፡
    Your poem ought to be translated both to Tigrinya and Arabic and be used a source from which we can all draw energy and lessons from. All Eritreans should use this poem to celebrate Aboy Hajji Musa’s life not fall into despair as the regime would wanna us do; the principles he stood for, and his immortal words which he uttered before he was taken away to never be seen alive again. In his own words: “If the government is to take away the institution, it’s not possible while I am alive! I confirm I am ready to pay my life!!” My he rest in peace.
    ( “ነዛ ቤት ትምህርትና መንግስቲ ክወርሳ እንተዳኣ ኾይኑ ኣነ ብሂወተይ እንከለኹ ከምዘይክእልን ሂወተይ ክኸፍለላ ድልዉ ምዃነይ የረጋግጽ”) Hajji Musa Mohamednur (2017)

  • Haile S.

    ሰላም ዓብዱልቃድር፡

    ዓብዱልቃድር ይብጻሕካ ዝዓበየ ምስጋና
    ምዝካርካ ናይ ሓጂ ሙሳ ህልውና
    ብዓቲ ዝኣቱ እምበር ዝወጽእ ስለ ዘይርኣና
    እንሆ ነዛ ምዝካር እውን ንመስል ዝዘንጋዕና
    ንዓመጽን ዓማጽን ንዝክሮም ባህርያዊ ኮይኑና
    ንጽውዖም ንረግሞም ዝረኸብናዮም እናመሰለና
    ዝተዓመጸ ግን ናብርኡ ዝለመዶ ጌርና ወሲድና
    ኣቃልቦ ንነፍጎ ህላዌኡ ረሲዕና
    ጽቡቕ ጌርካ ሎሚ በዛ ጥዕምቲ ግጥሚ ስለ ዘዘከርካና።

  • Kokhob Selam

    Thank you Abdulkader,

    Thank you very much,,Really thank you, for this very wonderful poem..

    KS,,

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Abdulkader,

    Thank you for the wonderful poem. However, I am tricked by the title. Shouldn’t the title be the rebirth of a nation than the birth of a nation? Help me to understand how you come with “title.”

    Regards

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Thank you. The title is edited now.