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The Game Is Over!

The speech delivered by the president of Eritrea, Mr. Isaias Afwerki, on Martyrs’ day – June 20, 2018 – was a much anticipated speech. The speech came shortly after the peace overtures made by the new prime minister of Ethiopia, Dr. Abiy Ahmed. Expectation were abound that the speech of the president will include a positive response to the new peace advances coming from Ethiopia. President Isaias didn’t disappoint those expectations. He not only welcomed the peace overtures, but he made a bold declaration, the “Game is over”!

Following the speech of the president, a flurry of diplomatic initiatives took place and formal diplomatic relations were restored between the two nations. The epic of the ensuing diplomatic exchanges came when the historic visits by the two leaders took place and the masses flocked to the streets of Asmara and Addis Ababa to welcome them. The outpouring expressions of welcome expressed by the Ethiopian and Eritrean people were a clear demonstration of their deep yearning for peace and good neighbourly relationship. One would hope that history will be kinder to these masses, whose expectations were raised high many times, but were repeatedly dashed several times. The solemn words of the two leaders have generated hope that this time their words will mean something and a new era of genuine peace will take hold.

More games to end

The end of the two decades long “game” of hostility and fear-mongering, as encouraging as it is, it will fall short of bringing the desired greater prosperity if it ends where it begun. The end of the border hostility “game” should only be a beginning, there are still many other “games” that also need to end and be declared once and for all “over”!

Certainly, many of these “games” that have been crippling the Horn of Africa are complex in nature and will not end overnight. However, as a first step, acknowledging them and making a collective commitment to address them will be a step in the right direction.

Dr. Abiy Ahmed’s optimistic projections for the region, expressed in the state dinner in Asmara, can become true only if the process of ending the other remaining “games” continues. The “games” that need to end are many, but for the purpose of this article, the following are the three main ones.

Game of “domination”

The region has suffered for the longest time from the “game” of domination. Domination of one man, one faction, one ethnicity and one religious group. The shape of domination and its form has changed over time, sometimes it is overt, sometimes it is covert, but it remained unchanged in its core. The “game” of domination has been at the root of the region’s suffering and endless conflicts. It has kept the region in the grips of deep resentment and boiling anger. Like a volcano that suddenly erupts causing unsurmountable damage, the “game” of domination has kept the region edgy and constantly on the brink. Whatever elusive semblance of stability appearing on the surface has only been a façade that stands on a shaky sand of festering tensions and bitterness.

The region is diverse in every respect; language, faith, and ethnicity. The “game” of domination has prevented the region from accepting wholeheartedly its multicultural and multi-faith outlook. Narratives of special historical entitlement, the right to be always at the helm and keeping others on the periphery has kept the various ethnic and faith groups in a state of mutual suspicion and mistrust.

As observed by the socio-historian “Ibn Khaldoun” in his renowned book, the Muqaddimah (“Introduction”), lasting prosperity can only be achieved with equity and justice. It is a prime time now for the region to shun the centuries old “game” of domination and replace it with a social partnership based on sharing, equal opportunity and fair distribution of power and resources. It is time to put aside “affiliation” and “loyalty” as primary considerations and replace them with “merit” and “competence”. No one should be given primacy because of their ethnicity or affiliations and no one should be denied their rightful place because of who they are and who they are affiliated with.

Game of “justifying the unjustifiable”

The region has suffered from senseless destructions, displacement, bloodshed, torture and denial of basic human rights. These gross violations were justified for the longest time under different names and pretexts. National unity, national pride, border defence, fighting terrorism, curbing extremism, foiling conspiracies, all of these and more were used to justify the unjustifiable. Thousands have been liquidated in secret prisons, thousands are languishing in underground dungeons and thousands have been tortured and maimed. The region has the distinction of being on the top of the worst violators of human rights.

Every human is born with a God-given right to be free, to live with dignity and to be equal. These rights are core and every human, regardless of what they believe in or how they look like, are entitled to them. These rights, unfortunately, have become either negotiable rights subject to the changing whims of those who are in power or favours bestowed by despots at a moment of their epiphany.

Every nation has the right and duty to defend itself from external threats and safeguard its internal harmony, but no nation has the right to abuse and deny any human their God-given rights to live in peace and dignity. Every human is entitled to due process, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, fair trial and humane treatment, even if they are duly convicted of a major crime. The game of justifying these unjustifiable abuses need to come to an end. These acts of abuse has not brought stability, on the contrary, they have increased the region’s endless cycle of misery and pain. Now is the time to make another bold declaration and declare the end to the game of “justifying the unjustifiable”. Now is the time to empty crowded prisons, close secret dungeons, end unwarranted arrests, and enact zero tolerance of torture, in any shape and form.

Game of “I win you lose”.

The region is interrelated and interconnected. The stability and prosperity of the entire region is mutual. No lasting and sustainable growth will occur when one nation seeks to win at the expense of another nation. There is only one formula of success for the region, “I win you win”. The “I win you lose” formula that dominated the region for the longest time is in the end “I lose, you lose” formula for all. When one country is in “peace” and its neighbouring country at war, the spillover of the war will affect it in the form of refugees, increased border patrols, lost opportunities for business and sharing of resources. Closed borders, restriction on movement of people and a free flow of goods and services deprives the region of prosperity and sustained growth.

The letter of Emperor Yohannes IV (1837 – 1889) to Hamdan Abu –Anja, the Sudanese Mahdist leader dated December 25, 1888, reflected an early understanding of the futility of “I win you lose” approach. Even though Yohannes himself was an arch-champion of domination, his letter, coming after a bitter rivalry with the Mahdis, clearly highlights the inevitability of regional cooperation. In his letter, the emperor talks of “common ancestry”, calls for “unity on basis of love”, highlights the mutual benefit of “open travel of merchants” between their respective countries. He observes how their infighting allowed the foreign invaders -Franks and Turks- to attack them both and how that caused harm to both of them.

Europeans, after being at odds with each other and attempting to win at the expense of their neighbours, they came to learn that the only way for them to win collectively was to seek the common good. Negotiation and compromises became the way of resolving conflicts. Now is the time for the region to silence the guns, to master the art of collaboration, negotiation, compromise and declare an end to the self-defeating game of “I win you lose”!

Historical legacy to learn from

King Haile Selassie (1892 – 1975), who ruled Ethiopia for 44 years, was undoubtedly shrewd and clever politician who made his way to the throne by outdoing his adversaries. He achieved much of what he pursued and overcome many of the setbacks he faced. The king, however, followed “I win you lose” formula in addressing many key issues in his empire. On the short term the emperor’s formula seemed to have brought him success, but in long run it led to his miserable demise. In dealing with Eritrea, Muslims, other non-Amhara ethnicities he followed the formula “I win you lose”. Had the king sought a foresighted formula of “win, win” approach to the Eritrean issue, had he sought “win, win” alternative in dealing with Muslims and other ethnicities, he would have probably preserved his throne, left a better legacy and saved the region much pain and agony. Leaders of the region today need to learn from history and change course before it is too late.

In his speech president Isaias referring to the long-lasting feud noted, “Enough is enough”. Everyone would agree with the president, “Enough is enough”. Enough to “domination”, enough to “justifying the unjustifiable”, enough to “I win you lose”. Time for a new era of “I win, you win”; the era of peace, equality, justice, human rights and mutual regard!

 

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  • saay7

    Selam Hashela:

    I accept your invitation to format your text.

    I come from a poor rural Eritrea.
    Even poor countries deserve to have their sovereignty respected.
    I am very educated in a field and I am here to tell you what you already know: nulear weapons are bad.
    I was doing a shock therapy experiment with two subjects: subject A: amhara and Tigray extremists (although I have no way of knowing who is amhara sidama oromo gurage in this site); subject B: all other reasonable people.
    Nobody responded. The reasonable because they value their time. The extemists because your proposal was too absurd even for them.

    Text reformatted 🙂

    saay

  • Nitricc

    Hi Hashela: you said ” A durable peace with Ethiopia is only possible if Eritrea is prepared to militarily defend the peace. Remember a durable peace is achieved out of strength, not out of weakens.”
    It can’t be said any better. You are absolutely correct. Once I told to the same person you are response, AMDE, told him similar to your take and AMDE responded to me by saying ” the horse has left the barren long time ago” Eritrean survival, success, livelihood, you name it, depends in the quality and tenacity on the Eritrean armed forces. Take that to the bank!

  • Amde

    Hi Hashela,

    Who knows.. but then I am not the one in the WMD market.

  • saay7

    Hashela:

    Since you brought it up, this thing about chemical and nuclear weapons, you are just using hyperbole for dramatic effect, right? Otherwise, you know my opinion of your hometown and you are giving me more evidence 🙂 I mean: we come from a country where the majority of our women (in Eritrea and Ethiopia) travel long distance to fetch drinking water and wood for the stove and raise their children. We are that poor. The men, with not enough to do, spend most of their time recreating glory days that never were.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam all,

    According to the Global Times, China now requires religious institutions to fly the national flag, a symbol of the nation’s embrace of communism in 1949, is necessary because
    “religions are exclusive” and the government has a responsibility to work on “strengthening people’s national and civic consciousness”.

    According to the state newspaper, the proposal to make all buildings fly the flag came from “the country’s major religious associations.” China recognizes only five religions legally—Protestant Christianity, Catholic Christianity, Islam, Taoism, and Buddhism—and has established government-recognized “patriotic” institutions that govern each. Chinese
    citizens who wish to worship outside of government institutions are considered criminals.

    The move follows orders from the government leaders of the five religions to local churches, temples, and mosques, to “Sinicize” the religion fully—to make each religion more “Chinese.”

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Hashel,
    Is that why EPLF was in cahoots with TPLF? In this site I’ve been asking MS what were dis/agreed in 1990?

    Tell me then, do you know the radial ground zero in case of nuke or bio-warfare attack? Wouldn’t be better to subscribe to int’l norms now that Eritrea is independent?

    • Hashela

      Dear Dis Donc

      Only the short-sighted and divisive elements would equate Eritrea, Eritrean
      identity, and Eritrean nationalism with EPLF=PFDJ=PIA. Eritrean
      identity/nationalism and national independence is an additive and cumulative product of
      a multi-centennial scaled formation process and peaceful and armed struggle
      carried out by all societal (ethnic, religious, socio-economic) segments of Eritrea and
      countless Eritrean organizations including EPLF.

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Hashel,
        Yikunelka. Typical Eritrean, though! Even an honest question makes them spit offensive and ignorant remarks! I thought you know what you are talking about; turns out, you are blowing hot air.

        Good luck with your nuke and bio weapons.

        • Hashela

          Dear Dis Donc

          Please (re)read carefully my most recent posting. It is not a hot air. From an Eritrean perspective, it is an objective and unifying statement. If you are more comfortable with German or Tigrina, I am more than happy to help

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Hashel,

            Although, I speak German (Platzs Deutch) we are doing fine in English. I am not a native Tigrinya speaker and what little I knew, currently stands as a non-existent. More than a language what we need is a sensible thought process which seems to be in short supply in our neighborhood. As I mentioned, I very rarely come here, due to work overload; given that I am not likely to read what you wrote and write in the short future. Thus, we leave it at that.

            Thanks for engaging, though.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Dis Donc,

            Thanks for your visit, long time.
            I enjoyed your engagement with our “new commentator” Hashela. The only engagement I saw was your approach and his jumping around. The man cannot stay put in one place to engage. Let us face it, he wanted a chemical, biological and nuclear weapon to defend himself. After that statement anything is possible.

            Mr. K.H

  • Aligaz G

    Dear Hashela,

    Probably chem/biologicals would not be enough to keep out the evil hordes that’s why Issu should also get nukes. I get it. Thanks anyway

  • Dis Donc

    Dear Amde,
    I am sorry but I wanted to share the laugh I had when I saw your 1 2 with somebody about nukes and chemical weapons. Of which I forgot where it was, but let me share a story told to me by my father, who himself heard it from his father about world war two. It was long ago and in a different language so bear with me.

    There was Jewish rabbi running to hide and found himself in a catholic church during a prayer. he went into the church and hid among the multitudes. The Geheim Stadt Poplzei went in later and couldn’t single out the rabbi. The priest, seeing the confusion, cleared his throat and said “I am now about to hand out the blood and body of Jesus Christ and if there is anyone who doesn’t want it please leave the church.” No response. Repeated again two more times. On the third, Jesus himself, from the nailed crossed, liberated himself, went to the rabbi and said, “come on bro, you and I are not wanted here.”

    I hope the message is clear.

    • Hashela

      Dear Dis Donc
      I am sure it did not escape your attention that the existence of today’s Israel, as a sovereign Jews State, is ensured by its possession of WMD.

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Hashela,
        My comment had nothing to do with acquiring WMD or Israel. But I will stick to the Anglo-Saxon culture of staying without comment!

    • Amde

      Selam DisDonc,

      To be honest, I was at first taken aback, but then I have been thinking about how to take advantage of such people.
      Hashela is willing to buy anything as long as you throw in a few choice words as bait. Would be fun.

      What do you think about an Amareutron Bomb? It only kills Amaras.

      See where I am going with this?

      But I saw a James Baldwin quote today,
      paraphrased as “People want to hold on to their hate because they don’t want to confront the pain underneath.”

      And I try to remember tgat this site is የቁስለኛ ቤት – a gathering of the psychologically wounded.

      Hope you are having a great Summer/Winter.

      Amde

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Amde,
        You have to excuse for the late reply as I had to drive long distance.

        In any way, I do not like the term that qusilegna being given to Eritrea simply because they are milking to heaven’s gate. The world is telling them that “your excrement stinks just like the rest of us” so get in line, both sides would not listen. While PFDJ preaches the specialness of Eritrea, the oppositions preaches the same specialness but for being “special quslegna.”

        Outside of that, I find this site more of a quarreling bar, with bottles flying, than a debating site. Especially now that our resident affluents have lost their bearings. The PFDJistes, on the other side, repeatedly till our ears come off, tell us that Isu won. God only knows, if you have to wake up one day and you find yourself reincarnating poor Berhe, a lonely voice in the wilderness. Or saay, who paid dearly for a becon on the hill, repeatedly finds himself inculcating individuals only later to find out they have all agendas.

  • Aligaz G

    Dear Hashela,

    Sorry, but I laughed out loud when I reached the part about WMDs in our region. Issu with nukes seriously? Do you really wish this upon us? But then I guess mutual annihilation is one permanent solution to all our problems.

    Cheers

  • saay7

    Ahlen Ismael:

    Thanks for this article which is rich in history and is quite educational. You are such a gentle soul you may not allow yourself to consider the triteness and pettiness of the people involved in your narration so please consider the following;

    1. Although your hearing is called “game is over” and although you quoted Isaias Afwerki as saying “game is over”, what he really said is “game over”;

    2. In politics, this phrase owes its origin to the Arab Spring. If you recall every slogan of the time was, obviously, in Arabic. Alshaeb yourid Isqat Alnjzam (the people demand the downfall of the regime), Irhal (leave) but there was one, and only one, English phrase that made its appearance: “game over”;

    3. Unsurprisingly, in the Arab world where English is not exactly a strong second language, the only place they would have heard that phrase is in….video games. In video games, where economizing of words is critical, the phrase “game over” is used instead of “game is over.”

    4. I say all this to take you to this: Isaias Afwerki was dismissive of the Arab Spring, that it was driven by US intelligence etc. But he needed something to signify that what was happening in Ethiopia was a people’s uprising rejecting his nemesis and former partners TPLF and thus its usage.

    5. Remember the June 20 speech where he indicated his acceptance of Ethiopia’s offer spent most of its time not on explaining why he is accepting the offer but on renouncing Weyane. Thus “game over”, “vultures” and other words that were mindlessly repeated by his parrots within days.

    6. Since the phrase owes its origins to video games, I am sure as a father you have played enough of them to know what the next phrase is: “play again?”

    7. So the “game over” is temporary, particularly on those hooked on the game, and never advance levels: they will play it again and again.

    8. Recall that pre-1998, Eritrea and Ethiopia entered into all sorts of agreements that the people of both countries never saw but throughout never bothered to demarcate the border because they were thinking way past the border. Then they had a “border war” and they started telling us about how they had been having disputes that they didn’t want to wake up the children and tell them.

    9. Now (“play again?”), the two countries are back to signing agreements that the people don’t know, and they have “temporarily” suspended talks on borders as it may get in the way of the misses they are blowing at each other. Meanwhile, the two kings have already started they king of the jungle contests. Expect the PFDJ flock to be told (if they haven’t already) that Isaias was behind all the maneuvers that resulted in all the changes in Ethiopia. Meanwhile, the Ethiopian leader has made it a habit (in his tours) of addressing Eritreans (but not Tigrayans) in Tigrinya. There was on curious message he addressed to Eritreans where he made specific references to

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam hashela
    Don’t u read the news and see the reality? This two groups(amara and tigrai) hate eachother to much and they r in a competition to gain eri support . I think u don’t follow the news.i can tell from name .H hashela.

    • Hashela

      Selamat Teodros

      Eritrea is well advised to not intervene in the fight between the mortal
      enemies. Only a weak Ethiopia is a peaceful Ethiopia. Why do you think PMAA is singing a song of “peace and love”. Because Ethiopia can’t pay its bill. Ethiopia’s hard currency deposit is dwindling in unprecedented rate. Ethiopia is in the verge of bankruptcy and its imported goods is rotting in the port of Djibouti. Once that ungrateful donkey is well fed, it will start to kick you.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam hashela
        Speaking of donkeys, i bet u r stinking donkey. How do i know that ? It looks like u r mad at the recent developments in ethiopia so that lead me say u r starved donkey from loser ttplf.
        So u want the fight to be three ways? I say it doesn’t help eri. Neutral sounds good for eri.

        • Hashela

          Selamat Teodros

          Speaking of TPLF and Eritrea’s support to one of the fighting factions.
          It is not long time ago that prevous Eritrean blood was shed in remote parts of Ethiopia to help TPLF to grab the state’s from the AmHaras. The payback by and of TPLF to Eritrea is well documented and vividly narrated, among others, by Professor Asmerom Legesse. Take your time to listen to Professor Legesse’s speech he made about 2 months ago. Distant and recent history tell us that the Ethiopia of AmHaras and Tigraians was incapable to find peace with itself and its neighbors. Sadly, one can see that all ingredients and indications are there that the violent history will find its continuation in the present and future.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hashela
            Like i said , u r mad at the recent developments in ethiopia and at amara people, as far as i know the only people who r mad at it r day time hyenas, also known as starved looking donkeys.
            Am not talking about history, am talking about the present reality.

          • Hashela

            Selamat Teodros

            Well, the reality is :

            – no peace and freedom in Eritrea

            – While PMAA and PIA are singing a song of
            “peace and love”, the Ethiopian army is occupying a vast and fertile part of Eritrea. No president with dignity and respect of his martyred and alive people would do this.

            – instead demarcating the Eritrean-Ethiopian border following the EEBC ruling, PMAA and PIA are claiming that there is no border and we are one nation. This is a seed for future conflicts

            – Our senile (infantile) and lonely president is keeping the entire nation as a hostage and he seems to gamble with Eritrean sovereignty and territorial integrity or a cheap and fake Ethiopian hospitality and gifts (a horse, a camel, a ring, coat made in China, and a tiara most likely from a toy store)

            – peace between Eritrea and Ethiopia is only possible when both nations are at peace with themselves.

            – Without consulting relevant Eritrean institutions and telling the nation, PIA is doing a deal with Ethiopia, a country with a documented history of not honoring its contracts and agreements.

  • Amde

    Selam Hashela,

    “Remember also that to AmHaras and Tigraians, “peace” and “love” are code words for “I need more time until I am ready to fully anihilate you”.”

    Good for you.. Go ahead buy the nukes

    Amde

    • halafi mengedi

      Amde

      Hashela and I have very similar premise re sea access, eritrea and Ethiopia. Although he emphasizes, animosity that may force elements in Ethiopia to try to get sea access by force, my position is that the bigger factor is that it is only natural for a country of Ethiopian size to have some sort of sovereign sea access for its security and prosperity, and that the only way Eritrea will become prosperous and secure is only if Ethiopia (and other countries in the regionl are also secure and presperous. Now, as hashela said Eritrea could try to get nuclear weapon, build the most modern army or whatever, but aside from the vanity of the idea, capability wise, we are not even close to that, not at all, I mean, come on…….One alternative is, well, what ever I proposed.

      Also can you tell Saay that I am thankful for his thoughts and prayers lols …but I didn’t say I will be gone forever. Anyway, what ever ideas I had about redsea came up during back and forth with horizons and Kim h and it was way before pmaa came to picture or even enn started their key bahr thingy. And emphasis was on possibilities in the long future….so had nothing to do with putting hot potatoe on pmaa hands

      One more thing,

      Regarding sanctions.

      Clearly, the sanctions were politically motivated and they were put in place with the helping hands of gov of Eritrea. Luckily they were focused on arms imports (largely enforced. although humiliating to the country, has nothing to do with the hardship the people faced), and travel ban on gov officials (not enforced). On the other hand, it restrained ia. Without the sanctions, he would have ventured into numerous conflicts in the region, and our youth would have paid dearly. Overall, the sanction was clearly a blessing in disguise for eritreans.

      Hm

      • Hashela

        Selamat HM

        Legally (international law) and militarily, for Ethiopia it is impossible to forcibly gain access to Eritrean ports.

        Legally:
        Since 1993 Eritrea is internationally recognized sovereign state.
        2000-2002:The Algiers Agreement and the EEBC ruling affirm Eritrean territorial integrity and smashed the wet dream of Greater Tigrai.
        2018: Being in the verge state bankruptcy, Ethiopia unconditionally accepted the EEBC ruling. With that unconditional acceptance the AmHara’s dream of Assab is buried at the depth of Moho-discontinuity (~ 35 km below the surface) and is thermally decomposing.

        Militarily:
        During the 1998-200 war when AmHara and Tigraian were united by greed and revenge and Eritrea was at its weakest moment, the Ethiopian Army was unable to penetrate through the Assab Front and suffered its biggest loss. So forget a forced access to Assab Port.

        Favorable Projection (for Eritrea):

        TPLF lost its political dominance. Severely weakened and panicked, TPLF was forced to hastily retreat to Tigrai and currently it is feeding on looted supplies. It is only a question of time until the AmHaras try to forcibly reclaim WalKait and Raya Ajebo. With Western Tigrai and northwestern AmHara being in flame, Eritrea needs only to block all escape and supply routes from Eritrean side and watch how AmHaras and Tigrai finish each other. The result is a demographically reduced and severely weakened Ethiopia. A weak Ethiopia is a peaceful Ethiopia, at least for a while!

      • Amde

        Selam HM,

        Nice to see you again.

        I feel you are reading my mind. Hashela’s response below is a perfect encapsulation of Eritrea’s security dilemma. Look how in one post he goes from a legal argument to a naked genocidal wish as the only guarantor for Eritrea.

        It is heresy to say so in this website, but making Ethiopia landlocked is a huge burden on Eritreans. Not only is it that the defense path (buying weapons maintaining an army etc…) would be a drain on the economy, but also that such a hostile climate would be the perfect breeding ground for an Isayas 2.0, Isayas 3.0 etc…whose primary appeal would be their security credentials, but in sentiment would be prone to geopolitical adventurism. (In other words – Isayyas may be feature and not a bug) In addition, it makes political meddling by Ethiopia or someone else inevitable – Ethiopia to protect itself, others to use Eritrea to influence Ethiopia.

        That is why I say the the inevitable outcome is a package of deals on security and economy that would be confederation-in-everything-but-name-only.

        Don’t be a stranger.

        Amde

        • Hashela

          Selamat Amde

          See Amde. You guys are still dreaming of confederation->federation-> occupation backdoor entry! Forget it. BTW, This is the main reason why Eritreans do not buy your song of “peace and love”. Being landlocked and legally and militarily defeated, Ethiopia will have to behave and bleed financially.

          • Selam Hashela,

            Nor do ethiopians believe the “one people, two countries” myth, your leader came up with. It is the same old mantra that has failed in the past, and will fail again, which was “አትዮጵያ የጋራችን፣ ኤርትራ የግላችን”.

            Change in mindset should come first, before any new relations of any sort. Ethiopians and eritreans should not repeat the same mistake again, and they better keep the distance from each other as two sovereign countries. Otherwise, nobody can do anything about it; it is going to be a relationship between two unequal countries.

        • saay7

          Selamat Amde:

          I don’t know why you are talking about Asab still when you have already won: take a yes for an answer will ya?

          Here it is in writing;

          ii. The two governments will endeavor to forge intimate political, economic, social, cultural and security cooperation that serves and advances the vital interests of their peoples;

          iii. Transport, trade and communications links between the two countries will resume; diplomatic ties and activities will restart;

          If this is too vague, this is what Abiy said after the signing:

          “We agreed that the airlines will start operating, the ports will be accessible, people can move between the two countries and the embassies will be opened.”

          So the only thing we don’t know are, um, the details. And that giddy guy saw in Addis telling your prime minister to “lead us”, did he sound like a guy who just finished reading his copy of the Art of the Deal? Maybe “How to Negotiate Like A Pro”? He looked like a guy whose doctor just told him his tumor is benign. So expect the unexpected:

          1. Eritrea ports Ethiopia to use the ports
          2. This negative payment lease is for 99 years
          3. The Ethiopian Navy is given priority docking rights
          4. The monument at Dogali, strike that: Abiy is bored by history
          5. Amharic as working language of Asab

          Anything else? Anything on your wish list? Talk to our leader, your PM and it’s done.

          Saay

          • Hashela

            Ahlen Saay

            That kind of “contract” wouldn’t be acceptable to the AmHara extremists. Similar to PIA*, their main motivation is a public humaliation of their perceived enemy which is everybody who is not AmHara.

            *: we remember that PIA refused to negoatiate with TPLF. Now PIA is infantilly giddy because he thinks that giving Asseb (sorry “contracting”) to AmHaras makes TPLF feel humaliated (PIA line of thinking).

          • saay7

            Selam Hashela:

            Man, you drive a hard bargain. Ok, how about everything I offered plus a clause that says that the highest building to be built by the shores will fly the Ethiopian flag?

            Also, take it easy with the “amhara this, amhara that”: it violates our posting guidelines to target an entire ethnic group. You can target their politicians, elite, extremists, activists, but never the people collectively. Applies to everyone about every collective group identity.

            saay

  • Amde

    Selam Hashela,

    Let me guess. You tell yourself what a nice peace-loving guy you are. Amirite?

    Amde

  • Hope

    Selamat @george:

    No need to fight or insult people and name callings and U better use that street language at the TN.COM aka Enda-siwwa .

    .In fact, people like U et al are the HOPLESS ones,who have lost HOPE on Eritreans with a huge potential to run the nation.

    The fact of the matter is that HOPEFUL people are the ones,who HOPE and wish for the best,my point of asking you…as to why it is not a bad idea for PIA to seek for an Exit Strategy as the status quo has never worked for our best interest..

    The ONE-Mans-System is the major culprit for the mess,if u want me to tell you the truth to you face.

    U confidently declared by saying:

    “What do you think is her reason for that saying that? Why you so stupid and gullible to believe some white Zionist puppet women.?”

    It is FUNNY that you are cursing and accusing the same woman you guys were adoring at TN for her positive contribution to amend the Eri-USA Relationship and to get Eritrea out of cold along with Amb Hank Cohen ;and guess what?

    The GoE has exactly CC and applied the advice of both “CIA” Agents, Ms. Browny Bruton and Amb Cohen…Check it out, Dude!

    Plus, looking for and advocating for an EXIT Strategy does NOT mean to topple PIA but to implement the Constitution and to give some o2 to the suffocated Eritreans to reclaim what belongs to them and to compensate for the LOST Opportunities.

    If he does that ,I guarantee you that he will a Peace Nobel Prize Nominee and even a co-winner of it based on what he has done as of late and so far—Reconciliation with Ethiopia,Somalia and now with Djibouti and the Sudan soon in particular and with the IGAD in general….

    That fake and treacherous propaganda is a bygone one now.

    Again,get rid of that pathological Paranoia and fear-mongering and immature/childish bravado as if PIA is the INKO Savior or the Angel of angels..,when the fact is the other way around, if I have to be blunt with U.—not to mention his stubborn and reckless, as well as erratic diplomacy and acts….

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Does Eritrea have the oldest Government in the world? It is not that I have a thing particularly against age, as we all hopefully will get long in tooth, and PIA at 72 is the same age as Trump, but in addition to age, it is how long the same main people have been in power. My guess that the average age of Eritrea Ministers must be somewhere in the high 60s or low 70s. It is time to move aside. And I don’t even care if the new people are even older, just as long as they are ‘fresh’ faces to the Government.

    • David Samson

      Hi FM,
      How are you getting on with the ‘Peronis’?

      Just as Eritrea population, IA’s age fluctuates every now and then. IA had predicted to live up to 100-100 years. In other words, until I drop down from the musical chair.

      • FishMilk

        Hi David Samsom. Last night I had a couple of Menabrea beers for the first time. They were quite OK. I kinda of accidentally insulted my Italian friend when I told him that I liked pizza in the U.S. better than in Italy, as Italians were too skimpy on the toppings. Re PIA longevity, he can say anything, as like with most dictators, they are simply detached from reality.

        • David Samson

          Hi FM,

          You have committed a cardinal sin.

          You should never, never compare Italians with anyone when it comes to Pasta, Pizza and Expresso. They strongly and passionately believe are ‘sempre il numero uno’.

          If you want a real Roman’s test, you need travel a bit further out of town. The foodie in down town is for Tourists.

          • FishMilk

            Hi David Samson. Yeah I know. I have even said the same to Italians in Napoli and you know how they are about their pizza! On a side note, I have seen a noticeable change in Rome when passing through over the past couple of years. There have always had many newcomer Eritrean refugees around Republica/Termini/Esquilino/Castro Pretorio area. But these says, I am seeing many Eritrean refugees, much more than before, living in the public parks. Over the weekend, I passed through Parco del Colle Oppio and met many Eritrean refugees that were living there; I was really surprised by the numbers. And, it seems that the Italians in nearby neighborhoods have also noticed and are becoming more critically vocal.

          • David Samson

            Hi FM,

            Nothing new, Italia, as a bridging hub- has been around since 80’s. I suspect seeing large number are due to other European destinations are sealed.

            UK was the most likely destination for many Eritreans until the closure of Calais. Swiss has been fighting its immigration rules. A. Merkel’s coalition government was survived by a thread.

            Conte’s government political rhetoric is matched by actions on the ground. This summer, only one or two ships have been docked at Italian’s ports. He even was praised by Trump.

            I do not know if the information ‘Sealed Europe’ is filtering through to those people who are in Libya or intending to travel to Europe.

        • Abraham H.

          Hi FishMilk, DIA looks way younger for his age, someone in his sixties, than someone in his seventies. Terrible for me, who wish this menace away from the Eritrean scene as soon as possible.

  • Blink

    Dear Hope
    Who do you think wish for safe exist ? The whole bla bla is to show safe exist is not needed . You see some people are working to see killings and without that they don’t feel good.

  • saay7

    Slow @george!

    How you been buddy? Don’t worry: you will get it in the year 2032: the N4s understand everything 14 years later. (Don’t tell anyone but your holy book, Final & Binding, was written by white folk who have never been to Eritrea and funded by the Evil Empire.)😂

    Meanwhile, just read from the hymn book: game over, Weyane, evil empire etc. Its the lullaby for political babies.

    saay

  • Berhe Y

    Hi @george,

    Saying nothing is not saying anything. Why don’t you tell me what’s wrong with what I said and challenge me instead.

    Telling me I know nothing, mean nothing if you do not show me what’s that I don’t know.

    So if you have something to say, Mr. I know it all but don’t say anything, please go ahead.

    Here is challenge for you. Do you know what constitutional power the ERITREAN parliament used to designate Asfaha Woldemichael to be chief execituve of the ERITREAN assembly?

    Have you read the ERITREAN constitution that IA shelved off? More importantly, do Thu understand the consequences of it.

    We lived for thousands years, mean nothing because all human beings lived for thousands of years.

    • @george

      Dear berh

      First off, I’m surprised you responded, usually u dip out. Running like a village dog, your tail between your legs. Pointinig out you know nothing is good enough for me. Perhaps that will give you a starting point. Somebody need to let you know, your random rambling. I like your respond about asmarino way, get real. There’s nothing asmarino about you. Your generic answer about humans living a thousand year. You missed my point, that we live there and peaceful coexistence which can be witnessed today. Compared to the Europeans and other nations, slaughtering of each other for thousands of years. That’s why I told you you’re shallow. “Readily available Constitution” what does that mean anyway? Just copy and paste right? Or you want your Google and download it?. How about we go to eBay and buy it ? What else you got for Eritrea ? Look what happened to your people, Ethiopia, look what happened to the Constitution, a retarded move just to get that dollar out of American Empire. People are killing each other in ethiopia as we speak now. You listed a bunch of nonsense about how I didn’t give you a respond for your non respond. How does thateven makes sense to point out the things I already point out for you? What? What are you talking about? Seriously.

      Question for you. Would you allow for media in the country? Can political parties allowed to have relationship with other political parties outside country? How would you mitigate, The Unwanted and not warranted US interference in our domestic affair?

      • Berhe Y

        Hi @george,

        So you don’t trust the people that lived for thousand years, to make reasonable decision for themselves?

        You know you have nothing to offer, but I am glad to know that you read me. I must be getting in your nerve and spoiling your party, pointing out PFDJ miserable rules. You do not like my ideas and what I like to see happen to PFDJ, and you are trying to discredit what I say so to divert my focus.

        Don’t worry I know the game PFDJ and and it’s jorakur like you play. We will be here, until the PFDJ will be trashed for good.

        Berhe

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Ayenta

    “The million dollar question that is fundamentally nagging me every day is: what was that 20 years of plight and misery about if things could have changed this fast and this easily?”

    The difference between Woyane sponsored NEGOTATION before Ethio-Eritrean border demarcation and team Abiy sponsored negotiation before border demarcation is:

    1. – Woyane sponsored NEGOTAIATION before demarcation was a REGIME CHANGE centered objective; with the assumption Woyane’s Ethiopia was stable and democratic country. Woyane’s political calculus was – with the help of their Western masters, to create weak defenseless fragmented Eritrea. Eritrea that is a playground for regionalists, jihadists, Islamists and ethnic warriors. Or simply Somalia 2.0. All this with the objective (a) to allow Woyane’s Ethiopia free access to the Red Sea and (b) to justify/allow Woyane’s Ethiopia indefinitely to have boots on Eritrean ground to play the “good cop” – as necessary stabilizing force.

    2. – Now compare that with Team Abiy’s Ethiopia negotiation before demarcation – Woyane’s power and influence out of the picture, the Woyane pampered Eritrean sub-nationalist sellouts of business, no precondition put to demarcate the border – no demand to implement the constitution, no demand to set an election date, no demand to release of prisoners, no commitment to repatriate refugees from Ethiopia or the Sudan, no demand to lower the Eritrea’s army size…….

    3. – Mind you: all along, the driving force for regime change in Eritrea was never the Woyanes. The regime change agenda has always been and will always remain Western project. And nothing is going to change that Western objective until there is regime change in Eritrea – to the Wests liking. That’s just postponed for now due to events in Ethiopia, and it is going to be done gently from within after a little while – after power dynamics inside Ethiopia is stabilized or after Isaias somehow dies.

    Semere Tesfai

    • guest

      Abiy’ Ethiopia has no preconditions what soever. So you are saying the reason why there is no border demarcation or talks about demarcation is because PIA has no interest in demarcating the border.
      And the spineless generals and the foolish nHna nsu are happy with PIA’s decision.
      What a shame!

      • @george

        Dear guest

        Obviously you did not understand what he posted. Read it again, hopefully this time you’ll understand and come to a different conclusion. The only thing shame as your inability to comprehend. Dimwit.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam guest

        “So you are saying the reason why there is no border demarcation or talks about demarcation is because PIA has no interest in demarcating the border.”

        I never said ” PIA has no interest in demarcating the border.”

        And be patient, the Ethi-Eritrean border will be demarcated per EEBC ruling – probably with a little tweaking. It has been only 100 + days since Abiy’s government accepted the EEBC ruling unconditionally.

        And as we all know, the logistics of border demarcation has many moving parts that require time.

        Semere Tesfai

        • saay7

          Guest:

          “And be patient, the Ethi-Eritrean border will be demarcated per EEBC ruling – probably with a little tweaking.“

          😂😂😂😂😂

          Welcome to 2004, two sanctions and hundreds of thousands of exiled later.

          Also, be patient. We will postpone our issue until we ensure the right Ethiopian prevails in Ethiopia’s politics. Our issue can always wait.

          saay

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam saay7

            “Welcome to 2004, two sanctions and hundreds of thousands of exiled later.”

            I said it before and let me repeat it again. You are comparing here apples and oranges. 2018 is no 2004

            1. – Between 2004 and 2018 the US Administration was on the side of Ethiopia and against Eritrea. Today the US government is Eritrea “friendly” – almost.

            2. – Between 2004 and 2018 negotiation before demarcation – like sanction, arms embargo, negative corporate media publicity, economic strangulation…….. was a tool for regime change. Today there is no regime change agenda on the table – at least publicly

            3. – Between 2004 and 2018 the politically bankrupt sellout Eritrean opposition were relevant in the eyes of the Woyanes, and they were getting groomed by the cunning Woyanes to replace the PFDJ regime. Today the good for nothing Eritrean opposition and their financiers are out of business. If there is going to be any role for the Eritrean opposition, it could only be because of the goodwill of the PFDJ system of government/regime. Period

            3. – I don’t have any problem people opposing the PFDJ regime and demanding reform, but please, please, please DON’T TELL US, the then Western and Woyanes position on NEGOTIATING border demarcation, and today’s Western and Dr. Abiy and his team position on Ethio-Eritrean border demarcation is identical. Because it is not.

            Jendayi Frazer and Susan Rice’s American policy on Ethio-Eritrean conflict is not the same of of Donald Trump’s US Horn policy.

            Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Selamat Semere:

            Items 1, 2 and 3 dismissed as severe cases of political Tourette syndrome. (Sellouts traitors blah blah blah which Isaiaisist shout to drown their loud conscience)

            Now on item 4 vis a vis the US position:

            * the Algiers Agreement, negotiated when Eritrea was at its lowest (leverage wise) was exceptionally fair to Eritrea. The US and UN ensured it would be.
            * in 2004, there was a great deal of sympathy for both Ethiopia (for losing Badme) and Eritrea (for having a partner that reneged on Final Binding nature of Agreement. It was something that could have been easily bridged diplomatically.
            * in 2004, Eritrea had not joined the spoilers club (in the eyes of the west) by making things very difficult to western interests in Somalia. Isaias was waiting for TPLF to lose in the 2005 elections and when it didn’t he went rogue.

            The real reason that Isaias refused to negotiate with Ethiopia in 2004 was the same reason he went to war in 1998: supremacy over TPLF. This is why now, with demarcation nowhere in the radar, with language about “little tweaking”, with language about “normalizing and stabilizing Ethiopia” his (and by extension all you Isaiasists) were, are and will be: defeating Weyane.

            Well, for now anyway. Until you are given the next hymn book.

            saay

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam saay7

            1. – “Items 1, 2 and 3 dismissed as severe cases of political Tourette syndrome. (Sellouts traitors blah blah blah which Isaiaisist shout to drown their loud conscience)”

            You can justify all day the Eritrean opposition core political philosophy that says (a) PFDJ is an Ethnic Tigrigna regime that need to be defeated and weeded-out (b) the strategy to defeat the PFDJ regime and weed it out is, by framing Eritrean politics along ethnic religious regional politics and by erecting walls between regions, ethnics, and faiths.

            And you can LABEL all Eritreans who oppose ethnic politics, political Islam, and region-centered politics, as PFDJits neurological TS disorder but, but, but I can assure you, you’re wasting your time defending bankrupted subnational politics that was practiced in Eritrean politics for at least a quarter of a century and never impressed/attracted any Eritrean crowd. But if you insist to defend that subnational politics – good luck!

            2. – “* in 2004, there was a great deal of sympathy for both Ethiopia (for losing Badme) and Eritrea (for having a partner that reneged on Final Binding nature of Agreement. It was something that could have been easily bridged diplomatically.”

            Sorry I fail to see the Western sympathy or Eritrea and Eritreans then (2004), and I fail to grasp the “something that could have been easily bridged diplomatically” that you’re talking about. Please explain to me and your readers, the the credible sources and the things that you know, which we fail to know.

            As far as I know, since 1998, Woyane policy has consistently been “we will change Eritrean policy or its regime”, “No war no peace until regime change”, “there is no point to border demarcation if we’re not going to enjoy peace”, “we don’t have reliable partner on the Eritrean side to negotiate peace”……..

            3. – “The real reason that Isaias refused to negotiate with Ethiopia in 2004 was the same reason he went to war in 1998: supremacy over TPLF.”

            I challenge you to prove that the 1998 war was fought because “Isaias Afewerki wanted to show his supremacy over TPLF” – which you will never be able to prove it, because it is a phony claim! The truth of the matter is, ever since 1978, consistently, the Woyaness were very aggressive and violent at times towards Eritrean farmers on both sides of the Eritrea-Tigrean border – which EPLF NEVER showed any mistreatment of Tigreans in its entire history.

            In fact the case has always been the opposite of your claim: people blamed and some still do, Isaias’ NEGLECT for the plight of Eritreans at the Tigray-Eritrea border specially on the Badme region (1998-2008) due to Isaias Afewerki having soft spot on his heart for Tigreans because of his Tigrean ancestry.

            4. – “This is why now, with demarcation nowhere in the radar, with language about “little tweaking”, with language about “normalizing and stabilizing Ethiopia” his (and by extension all you Isaiasists) were, are and will be: defeating Weyane.”

            If the border is demarcated – say a year from now, would you still accuse the PFDJ regime for political blunder? So, what do you say to the Eritrean opposition brainiacs who never raised the issue of Eritrean territorial integrity, and even to go further, were telling us Badme will never be Eritrean?

            DON”T GET ME WRONG, I’M STILL CELEBRATING THE DEFEAT OF THE WOYANES, AND THE DEFEAT OF THEIR SELLOUT ERITREAN STOOGES THAT WERE BEGGING AND LOBBYING THEIR WOYANE BOSSES TO INVADE ERITREA TO PUT THEM AT THE HELM.

            Semere Tesfai

          • saay7

            Semere T:

            On #1, really you (and now MS) are fighting your demons. The Eritrean opposition is a huge tent and most of them have nothing to do with your characterization of them. The chip has not updated and it keeps going back to Ghedli era feuds of which most opposition have nothing to do with. My assessment used to be that that is how you wish to characterize it to explain your absence from resisting an organization who hijacked the goals of Eritrean revolution, but I have reached a completely different conclusion and believe me, it is far less flattering of you. So, for the sake of our readers, it is best that we keep my opinion of people like you, and your opinion of people like “the opposition” out of it.

            2. The Weyane policy was best seen during the negotiations of the Algiers Agreement in 2001. The Weyane refused to claim lands that the EEBC judges said belong to Ethiopia (Tigray.) (Refer to the EEBC negotiations.) It said we can demarcate right now up to 95% of the disputed land, including the entire Eastern Zone, to eliminate all the propaganda about “the Weyane wants Asab.” (Refer to statements of Ethiopia after it introduced the Five Point Peace plan.) The difference is I live in reality-based world where I adjust my views based on new facts, and you live in a world of slogans and demons.

            In 2002, as in 1998, as in 1999, as in 2001, there was massive interest in Eritrea-Ethiopia and how I know this is the same way you would know if you were not in your conspiracy world: they were always prioritized not only in the agenda of the UN the US and EU but in the seniority of the officials assigned to their case. Your mad president began to throw it all away by arresting people and shutting the press (2001) which made it harder for the US treat him with the seriousness it was, even if, at the same time, he was begging the US to establish military bases in Eritrea.

            3. Well, of course I can. The reason is because none of the senior Eritrean government officials, not the ministers had any clue why Eritrea was in a shooting war. If the stated reason for a war is borders, and you are given an opportunity to bring a close to it, and you defer it pending an intra-Ethiopia power dispute, then clearly your priorities have nothing to do with Eritrea’s sovereignty. Don’t you remember how many times you cried and moaned about Eritrea’s sovereignty and territorial integrity being violated? How every “Weyane soldier” have to leave from every inch of Eritrea? So, not only am I saying it was about a supremacy fight between IA and TPLF, it is also, by extension, applies to all of you who were deafening us with faux concerns about sovereignty and territorial integrity and now you are quiet as a church mouse.

            I don’t think you can make the categorical statements you make about EPLF treatment of people with Tigrean ancestry because you live in a world of slogans and not in reality. If you had any curiosity about this, you would know that people of Tigrean ancestry were rounded up during the Third Offensive and shortly thereafter. The world you live in is a fantasy world, and it is immune to facts. I know this for a fact because I debated it with Elias Amare when it happened on VOA.

            4. Of course I will accuse the PFDJ of political blunder because it wasted 14 years of young Eritrea’s life–with hundreds of thousands exiled, thousands arrested, tortured, disappeared (the people you don’t give a $H!T about: remember when a veteran was imprisoned and you had nothing to say and said I will be right back?) to maintain the police state that was necessary to ensure Isaias’s uncontested stranglehold. And I am sorry, but you continue to be slow (it must be the effect of living in the slogan world): I am not bemoaning that the border is not demarcated weeks after Ethiopia unconditionally accepted EEBC; I am bemoaning the fact that if the outcome is the same (dialogue now, demarcation later) why the hell did you waste so much time, so many lives?

            That thing you have in caps, again, part of your hallucination. Those who were lobbying Weyane to invade Eritrea were the fringe of the opposition. And while it may make you feel better to rationalize your leave of absence and desertion of Eritreans during the tyrant’s assault on them, you claim that all opposition did it is not supported by the facts.

            saay

          • Haile Zeru

            ከብድካ ትብረድ፤ ሳልሕ

            I hope you will add this idiom to your tigrayit idioms. YOU are the only one who can tear the propaganda clouded minds of these individuals and show them the true reality.

          • saay7

            Ahlen Haile:

            I will try to point out the facts as I know them, and present my opinions:)

            I think our friends have gotten to the point where they have began to define what is in Eritrea’s interest to be whatever is the opposite of Weyane’s interest. Therefore, they have nothing to say when:

            * Isaias Afwerki delegates a man constitutionally required to place Ethiopia’s interest above all, as the representative of Eritrea;
            * Isaias Afwerki says that Eritreans (say the Beni Amer) and Ethiopians (say the Beni Shangul) are one people. Of course those are not the two people he has in mind. This, despite the fact that all of Eritrea’s literature is about the distinctness of the two states
            * PM Abiy is tongue-tied when he is asked to comment on Ethiopia’s “legal, historical, natural” right to access to the sea. (the slogan of people we spent 50 years fighting and defeating.)
            * PM Abiy at Bole Airport just said that the Eritrean and Ethiopian tewahdo churches will very soon “yidemeralu” (must be one of those things Isaias delegated him to “lead us” on.

            I have to believe that somewhere, someone a lot more articulate than me who can point out the absurdities of all these developments. Until then, I will just have to post my fragments. But I have no doubt at all that the antithesis to Isaias Afwerki will come out.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            PMAA has not implied Eritrean Orthodox Church to medemer with Ethiopian Orthodox church. He pointed out that Eritrean church is also splintered. And he said they have shown a sign to him to reunite. So he suggested an initiative towards that.

            In my opinion that actually could be a good thing for justice seekers. Because, one of the demands of Eritrean splintered orthodox synod is for the imprisoned patriarch to be freed. So, should there be reconciliation his case and many others, who are arrested cases will be on the table.. Don’t you think so?

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            You missed my point. To my knowledge (and I realize I could be misinformed), Eritrea is not a province of Ethiopia yet. And that’s not his business.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            I do understand your frustration. Trust me. I do. But, Eritrea is and will be an independent country forever. It’s independence can never be reversed. I think we Ethiopians have reached a grand consensus on that. However, since the two churches share everything from dogma to liturgy language, there is always will be one commenting on the other. If there is an effort that will help to free the imprisoned patriarch and some more, I think it’s an effort worth supporting…in my opinion.

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            I appreciate your well wishes for our great patriarch and your empathy. But I don’t define independence and sovereignty solely the way our friends in Nehna Nsu do (flag waving at a UN pole, national anthem, national holidays, territorial integrity, soldiers saluting their commanding officer ); I define it by people’s socereignty. The right of people to self-rule on all matters that affect them including yes religion. In all this talk of trains and peace pipes have you noticed that the people of Eritrea are never heard from except from their self appointed spokespersons?

            saay

          • Amde

            Selam Saay,

            But what is wrong (conceptually) with an outside body lending their good offices to mending the rift between two factions of a religion?

            Would it matter if reconciliation is facilitated by the Pope of Rome, the Sultan of Brunei, the President of Egypt or the Prime Minster of Ethiopia? If the Muslims in Eritrea had a similar split, would it be objectionable if the President of Sudan or the King of Saudi Arabia mediated and facilitated similar reconciliation?

            Personally, I don’t see it going anywhere since the split was more or less engineered by the same PFDJ in power today. Still, if it DID succeed, it would be
            a) a template for a possible future reconciliation between Isayyas and the opposition, and
            b) a united Church could be an additional moral force to facilitate internal reconciliation.

            There will be a post-Isayyas, and reducing rifts now will help the post-Isayyas era come in with a tad less pain than necessary.

            I doubt (completely my guess of course) Abiy would indicate it if he didn’t get signals from Isayyas that he may be open to resolving this issue. And I think Eyob is right that a just-reconciled sister church would be an ideal partner in a possible resolution.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Sir Amde:

            I never liked that Sultan of Brunei but I am ok with the rest.

            But seriously Amde et tu?

            I have already answered it to Eyob and Teodros. We can’t have one unelected leader handing power to another unelected leader who then speaks on our behalf. The whole struggle generations of Eritreans waged was for self-rule. We are a free people and anything that delays that, no matter how well intended, is unwelcome. From my perspective.

            Also, if you are a friend, tell me when you guys are organizing your “hero’s welcome for comrade mengistu” so I can get off the grid.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            Is mengistu coming back to ethiopia?
            If ethiopia welcoming him back as a hore, i don’t know what to say but am gonna start questioning the behavior of the entire society.

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            That feeling of angst and dread you just felt is what we feel when Abiy goes out of his way to rehabilitate Isaias. Savor it, then you will get a fraction of what we feel because at least Mengistu is exiled and in position to harm anything except your feelings.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            But 3A is ethiopia PM, and his job is spouse to protect ethiopia interest.

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            And I am an Eritrean citizen and by duty is to express my view that rehabilitating tyrants emboldens them and they go on being tyrannical.

            Establishing a good, neighborly relationship with a neighbor is a national interest. All the hugging and rehabilation is in the politician’s personal career interest.

            Besides, you are missing the point. If Abiy told you that embracing dmring reconciling with Mengistu is in Ethiopia’s national interest would you be able to turn off your emotions even if you believed him?

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            What am saying 3A is pm of ethiopia and if eris don’t like his relationship with PIA, they have to blame PIA, the samethong true for ethiopians.
            Mengistu has a lot of blood in his hand and his dictatorship was the one made the country vulnerable and a game for a looter tplf.

          • Amde

            Hi saay,

            I am just saying this whole “separation of church and state” thing actually means a “church” can reconcile any which way they want. Even if they do use the office of a FOREIGN leader. He is not speaking on behalf of anybody, just facilitating the resolution of a rift between two factions. I guess I can’t say anything that won’t be misinterpreted.

            The Mengistu thing is mystifying. What is the purpose? I don’t know – I genuinely don’t think there is a Mengistu constituency. But there are millions with still raw negative emotions. The timing completely destroyed the opportunity to truly celebrate what was by any score a historic and magnificent event – the arrival of the reconciled Synod. PMHD needs a slap on the side of the head.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Amde:

            If the Eritrean Orthodox Church approaches PM Abiye and says reconcile us, I have no problem, none with it. If our socially-inept president asked him to do it because he can’t (“officially been given full authority….”), I have mixed feeling. If he did it on his own because we the Eritrean people are just incapable of doing anything on our own, I have a problem. Again, I am just speaking for me; and I don’t presume to speak for anyone other than those who think like me.

            Why would the Mengistu thing mystify you? Didn’t we talk about it here: when SGJ and Emma were protesting Abiys hugging of Gashye Woldu? I mean not even ran into him but sought him out. So, HD must have thought that Team Lemma is ok with it. His constituency? I presume it would be the One Ethiopia folks: he was the last One Ethiopia ruler and with those folk, like all ideologues, a person’s crimes are less important than what he believes in. Or claims to believe in.

            saay

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Saay,

            The person who twitted the picture Dr. Tigist is his daughter (Mengistu). Looks like she is on the same team of monitoring the election. I only bring her name, because she is vocal activist in support of the change against TPLF.

            Berhe

          • Selam Amde,

            PMAA is ahead of his time. When two habeshas quarrel it is a shame to take the initiative and talk to the other. Usually, elders are sent and saints are invoked, and then, they may give hands of reconciliation, and some level of rapprochement is reached.

            Unlike the previous government that demolished bridges between the ethiopian social groups, and built tall walls to separate them (the famous tribal/ethnic walls), the government of pm Abiy is a bridge-builder and a wall-demolisher, within the country and beyond. In a divided society like ours and in a region like the horn, every action, is misinterpreted, demeaned and demonized, despite the results.

            PMAA has succeeded to win over not only the ethiopian society, the whole region, but also the opposition, and they are returning home riding the “medemer” airplane, train and bus.

            PMHMD finding himself by chance at the same place with the worst dictator ethiopia ever had, was ‘ያልታሰበ ዱብ ዕዳ፣’ for him. Either he should have left and returned home exposing himself to the organization that asked his service, or do what he did (standing by the dictator’s side, from what i understood). For me what the ethiopian government back home would do is much more important. Giving the dictator amnesty and calling him back home, will be a grave mistake that may be gravely paid. Ethiopian citizens have ripped of his citizenship, and if he returns back the only place for him is a prison.

            An ethiopian PM, as if he is the pope of the horn, taking the initiative by himself to reconcile the fragmented eritrean tewahido church, is simple impossible. Some eritreans, priests, congregations, and eritrean fathers, after seeing his success with the ethiopian tewahedo church and ethiopian muslims, may have approached him for help. He said, i have given my word to help our eritrean brothers, if i can. What is wrong if the pm of ethiopia calls them to addis for a week, and tells them to negotiate for the sake of God and the people of eritrea, and does the same thing with muslims. Is religion and politics the same? Could there be anything outside politics?

            The problem is that everything this person says and does, is now scrutinized, interpreted, hair-splitted and even distorted, because he is seen as a danger to the eritrean mindset and worldview that has been shaped during the long journey of gedli. There are some who say that gedli and independent eritrea is being reversed, without a single shot this time.

            The only way eritrea will not be affected by this change, is only by throwing her back behind the iron curtain, and some eritreans should make sure bridges remain destroyed and the famous wall is finally erected. This is the only way to keep pristine the quintessential eritrean identity and gene.

            If the the border is made insignificant, the economy is integrated, eal takes eritreans to the farthest corners of the world, the medemr train and buses move north and south, for the sake of trade, business, and profit eritreans may even settle south of the mereb and thus control over them is lost, and maybe it is the land that remain untouched, then what? These are the big eritrean question during the era of triple A.

            Damned if we say ‘Yes’ to the ethio-eritrean friendship and rapprochement, and equally damned if we say ‘No’. What a complication! The new dilemma is, if the status quo is better than what they might face in the future (the fear of eritrean elites), or hell no, anything different is better than this hellish life (as much as the the people are concerned).

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            I think there is 2 separated orthodox Christian groups in eritrea too. I think he is talking about “medemer” them, not eri with ethio orthodox medemer.

          • saay7

            Selam Teodros:

            Please refer to my reply to Eyob.

            Whether the Eritrean Orthodox splinters want to unite with each other or even with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church is a matter that is the sole domain of the Eritrean Orthodox.

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            I just saw ur response to eyob and agree with u . when 3A talk about the medemer of the 2 eri orthodox church, he was kind of saying “that is for the start and there will be more medemer on the way” kind of talk.

          • Haile Zeru

            ሰላም ሳልሕ

            Somewhere I saw a documentary that was showing how some slave owners were justifying slavary in American south long time ago. They were interviewing slaves saying that they are living good, their master treats them well etc… Therefore they (slave owners) say they are OK to remain slaves.

            Now in 2018 we have Eritrean intellectuals, people who thinks they are experienced, telling you/us we do not need any rights, Issu is treating us well….etc
            No need for Constitution or democracy Issu is everything.
            He can make or dispose of the whole country. He can decide the life and death of any eritrean at whim.

            -The other issue is with all its short comings Eritrean Constitution of the 50’s was much more progressive than that of Ethiopia at that time. Today we can say the opposite. They have, with all its shortcomings, a better constitution and we have none. We have an absolute monarch like Ethiopia of the ’50s.

            You are doing a super job showing how stupid are the ideas of this pro Issu gents. What is more important you are using them to show their followers how wrong they are.

            Please keep it up. We/I do not want to see this website the play groung of these trolls.

          • saay7

            Haile Z:

            Thank you, and great comparison between the Ethiopian monarch of the 1950s and the Eritrean monarch of the 2010s

            The most honest writer here at awate is a guy who says “znegese ngusna”, because a lot of the guys supporting Isaias are what the Arabs call MeA Alezina Anteseru (being with the winning team.) They can’t come out and say it, even they are embarrassed to admit they are Isaiasists, so they will create a lot of fog like “sovereignty” “territorial integrity” that they just demonstrated mean diddley squat to them. In any event, when the winner starts losing, they will say, oh I have always been opposed to his rule. Clearly, the documented fact that he committed such savage crimes against their own people that these crimes are of a special class called “crime against humanity” mean nothing to them. Not because they can’t pwrsonally verify it by talking to family and friends but because it contradicts their “Mea Alezina Anteseru” value system.

            You want to be cheered? You know how I was asking for someone more articulate to say what I am trying to say? Well, great news: the great poet Rumana Berhanu has a poem (audio) that tells our Ethiopian friends why some of us are hesitant on jumping on the train. It’s mind blowing to me how an Eritrean who was born after Eritrea’s independence (she was 16 when she was enlisted, 17 when she lost her arm in the Badme war) speaks Amharic well enough to deliver a poem.

            saay

          • Haile Zeru

            Hi SAAY,

            The main problem are the educated , ignorants by choice. With all their education and experience they cannot make the distinction between law and politics. For the state to deny someone the right to freedom (human rights) is not in the realm of politics. It is in the realm of law. Only legally, showing the crime without a reasonable doubt a state is allowed to deny freedom (or life) to someone. Politics does not have a place in such case.
            The Issu cultists are justifying on political bases the denial of freedom, the human right of a person/s.
            The problem is not the lack of education. It is the educated person that convinces himself that eritreans do not deserve human rights.

            I wish to say more on this…. But running out of time

          • SA

            Saay,
            You must be tired fighting the likes of Semere T. and Mahmud. Rumana must have been born before Eritrea’s independence if she was 17 during the Badme war.
            SA

          • saay7

            Selamat SA:

            Not at all, what is there to be tired of:) It pains me that the great Mahmud is lumped with Semere T, though. Mahmud spoke up frequently, specially after Lampedusa, about the violation of Eritreans. It is all crickets from Semere and the only time you heard him was to curse the people that had nothing to do with the suffering of Eritreans: the opposition.

            In the testimony she shared with SBS to express her outrage at Isaias’s Afwerki’s outrageous claim that “we lost nothing in the last 20 years” (hey, dummy, over here, I lost an arm!), Rumana said she enlisted in 1997 when she was 16 so I guess that means she was born with Eritrea. And like Eritrea, she is injured and exiled and is bewildered by the words and actions of her president.

            saay

          • SA

            Hi Saay,
            Yes, it is sad that it has been hard for me to distinguish him from a typical PFDJ devotee with his recent triumphalist postings. I am now absolutely convinced that you are exhausted because if you subtract 16 from 1997 it is 1981 : )
            SA

          • saay7

            SA:

            😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

            Dammit, and I had a good line for it 🙂 In 1997, Eritrea was 6 and even PFDJ hasn’t figured out how to give weapons to 6 year olds but they are working at it. Thanks SA!

            I am so tired I actually thought I read someone here advocating that Eritrea buy chemical and nuclear weapons to protect itself from Tegaru and Amharu but clearly I am confused.

            saay

          • SA

            Saay,
            I am impressed you keep battling ‘them’ while tired. Confused? Absolutely not! You have been a breath of consistent clarity since even before Mahmud wrote his congratulatory letter to IA 🙂
            SA

          • saay7

            SA:

            Thanks but the people that I admire are the ones who don’t even read the critics who are constantly stripping them of their citizenship or accusing them of high crimes. There was a festival in Denver by Eritrean oppo. Do you think they spent a second talking about Weyane or know of the existence of those who curse them here? No. There was an Afar Congress in London in June. Do you think they are losing sleep over what’s said here? No. There is a demo being organized right now to be held in Geneva (wish it was in front of Eritrean embassy and Ethio embassy). Do you think those guys are losing sleep over what Semere T says? Never. There is an amazing campaign by Vanessa Berhe holding the IA gang accountable to promises they made. There is a movie opening about Eritrean refugees in Sudan called “The Forgotten” So the people I admire and the people who deserve all the credit are those who march on, committed to our cause, irrespective of the trains and caravans.

            saay

          • SA

            Saay:
            You have your role models and I have mine 🙂 Yes, Vanessa Berhe and Sabrina Aman are impressive young women. It is surreal reading the likes of Semere T. leveling accusations against different people and groups when the person mostly responsible for the ills of Eritrea is its president.
            Keep up the good work.
            SA

          • saay7

            SA:

            I am trying ከጠፈፋኣካ because like all Eritreans I can’t deal with compliments but you won’t let go:) But seriously, the reason I kept asking and asking Harbeyna MaHmuday to give me names and titles when he was railing against the opposition with our nagging about human rights yada yada yada is because of that. The Eritrean opposition inside the country is silent or in prison; the Eritrean opposition outside the country is led by Eritreans in their 30s. So all the hungugus people talk about here (“riding Weyane tanks”) are all in their head. In the end it’s all politics and one way to marginalize your opponents is to define them by their least representative segments.

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            As if there is a shortage of mountains in Eritrea you have a virtual mountain by the name Thomas!
            YeErtra Gud!!!

          • Abi

            Hi Saay7
            You said “Mahmud spoke up frequently specially after Lampedussa…”
            My question is how about before Lampedussa?
            As far as I remember Vet MS signed up at awate way after Lampedussa. He used his real name for a while before he changed to MS.
            I will accept any correction with the Legendary Ras’ humility.
            Time to pay attention buddy

          • saay7

            Ras Abi:

            I think I am quoting MaHmuday (MS) himself for his decision to go public with his views was Lampedusa. The rest, I will leave it to MS to explain if he wishes to.

            All I remember about Abi was he didn’t accept any criticism of TPLF because to him as far as they are working on bringing dabo to the people who cares about human rights and democracy. Then the Qerro movement happened and he suddenly forgot about dabo and he has been the most virulent anti-TPLF guy. I hope I didn’t get you in trouble with Teodros now: he thinks everyone is TPLF and I am sure he has some suspicions about even Abiy Ahmed 🙂

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            I think you are right. Benefit of the doubt kind of thing;)
            Your second para is just right. I was looking the other way or more precisely the dabo way hoping things will get better . Talk about rude awakening! I ignored and tolerated the corruption, nepotism, looting… I even told a story where my close relative was beaten to death by the thugs.
            ትዕግስት ፍርሃት መሰላቸው
            I was saying dabo before democracy. I lost both. Guess who was lovingly whispered in my ears that I needed a democracy along with dabo? You guessed right. Hayat Adem. I don’t miss those midnight pj talks.

            Who was David again?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam abi
            U guys r valueless cadres who used to attack the amara as “niftagn”, chauvinist and now it is a time for tigrai. U guys r just following ur weird meles(eprdf) ideology. U guys back and forth comment to eachother r part of ur weird idiology. U guys r even changing the cultural values of ethiopian(except tigrai and ethio Somali) on purpose. U cadres even introduce systematically a culture Alain to the people because of ur weird idology and valueless personality.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saay7
            That is funny but i can tell u this, abi, k h, horizon, eyob, blink, even amde and ao on r tplf or one of the other eprdf members. U said it urself this abi used to be for dabo and acting like backward rural old man amara. And now he is what he is. Why? Plus am ethiopian and don’t know anybody(none tigrai) with their kind of altitude except eprdf cadres, and believe it or not they r all over the place in YouTube, Facebook, here in diaspora and at home. Sometimes they r acting opposition and distract the opposite, image assassination. Pay attention,

          • saay7

            Teodros:

            Have you ever heard of a game called “keno”? They have it most casinos. It is basically a grid with 80 numbers and you pick your denominator and numerator. The lowest pick is 3 and the highest pick is 20. In each game The casino will always flash 20 random numbers of the 80. If you pick 20 and all your numbers come up well you win big. But he is the interesting part. If you pick 20 and none of your numbers come up, you also win big.

            I have been reading the guys you mentioned for years. Next time you go to Atlantic City or Vegas, I highly recommend you play keno. You show great aptitude for it.

            saay

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah saay,

            I believe there cannot be any one more erudite and articulate. The problem is some who happen to had landed on the saddle of power tend to think they can sell absurdities that the movement of history is static and can be re-written.

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          • Hashela (former guest)

            Dear Saay

            “the Algiers Agreement, negotiated when Eritrea was at its lowest (leverage wise) was exceptionally fair to Eritrea”

            this is an important fact that is conveniently ignored by the nHna nsu/nsu nHna fanatics and, unfortunately, by a large segment of our society that seems to be plagued by victimhood mentality.
            In a world of winner takes all, the result of the Algiers Agreement and the EEBC ruling is a extra-ordinarily rare case of justice and a triumph of international law

          • saay7

            Hashela:

            Agreed. But the Nehna Nsu gang has including permanent victimhood and blaming the world for Eritrea’s maladministration as core “Eritreanism.” This is why they are convinced that Eritrea could never have gotten fair outcomes in negotiations with Weyane despite not one but three (Algiers Agreement, Eritrea Ethiopia Boundary Commission, Eritrea Ethiopia Claims Commission) perfectly fair and just legal documents and processes. It’s like the lazy and stupid student who blames his teacher for being unfair for his terrible grades despite the fact that the teacher had given him an A when he was less lazy and stupid.

            All our smart and brave leaders are in jail leaving us with the deranged and the cowards.

            saay

          • @george

            Dear habesha

            Wrong. Actually Ethiopia was weak. Multiple books printed since the last war tell different story. Most if not all ethiopia army was decimated. In the media Ethiopia was a winner come bet on the ground Utopia with a major loser.

          • Hashela

            Selamat

            thank you for the laugh. Tomorrow at 8:45 AM (right after the nHna nsu mezmur), we will cover urban geography of Eritrea (101)

            Chapter 1: Keren and its peripheries including Hashela (not to be confused with “Habesha”)

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hashela,

            You quoted saay’s statement and neglected an important aspect of its import. Saay after “…….was exceptionally fair to Eritrea” added that “The US and the UN ensured it would be.”

            I know he was making a point of the positive doings of the US and UN. I will accept it partially as junior contribution of the Algiers Agreement, after the Algerian President.
            The main contribution of the Algiers Agreement being exceptionally fair was made by the Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, period.

            Mr. K.H

          • saay7

            Mr KH

            So, MZ was a Trojan camel for Eritrea?

            While you Ethiopians debate that, I will just use that information to strengthen my case: so in 2004, because MZ was an Eritrean, we would have gotten a much better deal than what we will get with Abiy who is still too calculating (didn’t want to risk alienating the ቀይ ባህራችን gang) to answer a simple question about Asab.

            So, it’s 14 years late and worse than what we could have gotten? Sounds very Isaiasy to me!

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,

            Yes we will continue to debate the role PMMZ played in modern Ethiopian history, as you and MS debate Eritrea. It never ends.
            Those who disapprove of PMMZ point to all his decisions that favored Eritrea, at the expense of Ethiopia.
            Those who approve of him (at least the later day Meles) point to the predicament of a good son’s morality. A divine test of what a good son to do.
            (kind of “Solomonic” decision.)
            We rationalized that Meles wanted to protect his mother by having the father pay alimony for eternity.

            Mr. K.H

          • David Samson

            Selam KH,

            Curious to ask this question: Why the PM skipped the question on ‘KeyBahrachin’?

            I think the guy with glasses (I am not sure if he is blind) was the first question on the clip. I am unable to find the PM’s answer to that specific question unless I missed another clip.

            I am also freighted to see some people in the audience with Mengistu’s photo. The king had contributed much to modern Ethiopia than any other previous leaders, and yet, the bloodthirsty and dubbed as ‘Black Stalinist’, who turned the country down to its ashes, is admired. Have not Ethiopians gone through the time of reflection since the fall of Derg?

          • saay7

            Selamat David:

            The gentleman with the dark glasses who asked the question is Teodros Tseggai from Reyot media (he is visually impaired) and his question was about Ethiopia being landlocked and what the PM felt about “ the country’s historical, legal and natural claim to access to the sea. I realize that previous leaders have ruined (forfeited this) but the Great Ethiopia you believe in believed in its historical legal and natural claim to the sea. Do you believe in that?”

            Answer:

            [you] have asked strategic and heavy questions and when we get the time, we [you and I] will discuss it.

            One reaction: “holy $hootnski!” That was the reaction of Eritrean activists (they don’t exist and if they exist they are Weyane) who translated the q & a into Tigrinya and subtitled the video

            Another reaction (Fantism): this was one of three questions the journalist/blogger(?) asked and the PM didn’t have time and merely postponed it and invited the journalist for a future one on one interview.

            I wonder which ports Great Ethiopia used historically, legally and naturally? I think they are talking about Hergeisa and Djibouti.

            Saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam David Samson,

            The “KeyBahrachin” conversation is, I think, among the old folks who still hold on to the belief that Eritrea is part of Ethiopia. Short of that negotiate the Assab sea out let back to Ethiopia.
            It is kind of like the 2nd world war vets.in the U.S. Every year there is less and less of them.
            Perhaps, PMAA didn’t want to offend any of these folks. Had he said, what is this crazy talk. Do you want me to invade another country? He might have made enemies of them unnecessarily. That is my take.

            The Mengistu’s photo here and there speaks to the fact that there are and were Dergists who believed that he helped the very poor. I am not one of them. His support is very minimal, in my opinion.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            Where can i see the mengistu and haile mariam pic? Bel.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Teodros Alem,

            I am not really worried. But, what did you get?

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            I meant don’t bother responding, i asked u where to see mengistu and haile mariam pic and than i found it .that was why i said don’t worry.k h.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            I know what u trying to say that meles favored eritrea and that was why the ethiopians hate him? The truth is meles did not favor ethiopia or eritrea. Meles calculation was protecting the interest of tigrai, that is why u see both ethio and eri don’t buy ur argument. ” erir diben”

          • Hashela

            Selamat Kim Hanna

            Not sure how good your Kebesa Tigrina is (not to confuse with the Tembien Amarina-Tigrina mish masch).

            In rural Eritrea, people say: ካብ ወዲ ጓል ወዲ ከልቢ [ምዕባይ ይሓይሽ]።

            A literal translation: it is more rewarding to raise/foster a dog than a son of your daugther, implying that a dog will be always loyal to you but the son of your daughter will be only loyal to his paternal line. PMMZ did not act fair to Eritrea but he pushed very hard to satisfy the Amhara extremists (Assab Front) and Tigraian extremists (“will teach them a lesson”)

          • Blink

            Dear Hashela
            As Meles did I think Abiy is cozy with Amhara extremists ,I heard the previous PM hailemariam met with Mengistu too. If you see the Amhara extremists are flocking to Addis these days . Meles thought he will bring Asseb so that he can claim a Tigrian did the job while Dergi lost it . It really hurtful to see Mengistu and his pals like dawit these days .

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Hashela

            “the Algiers Agreement, negotiated when Eritrea was at its lowest (leverage wise) was exceptionally fair to Eritrea”. this is an important fact that is conveniently ignored by the nHna nsu/nsu nHna fanatics and, unfortunately, by a large segment of our society that seems to be plagued by victimhood mentality.”

            WRONG!

            To flatter your Woyanes, you can say “in a world of winner takes all, the result of the Algiers Agreement and the EEBC ruling is a extra-ordinarily RARE CASE OF JUSTICE and a triumph of international law” all day long.

            But the fact of the matter is – the Ethio-Eritrean border ruling was based on Second WWII COLONIAL BOUNDARIES. The Ethio-Eritrean border ruling was based on the African Charter on border disputes – which Ethiopia is one of the first signatories of the charter itself.

            Yes, minor give and take on the DISPUTED border areas were expected by both sides but not “winner takes all”.

            And to maximize their gain, the Woyanes fought tooth and nail to alter that African Union Charter core principle for border dispute by their “we administered the region for decades” bogus argument but they failed miserably. And that is the cold truth.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Semere Tesfai,

            You are not here a teacher to correct comments by righting WRONG & RIGHT in capital letters and bold fonts. You have to quit your village attitude and commonplace meaningless haughtiness, you are here in USA, the member of the civilized world. You have to endeavor to learn how to say your opinion and leave judgement for the forum.

            You have to understand it well, whatever cosmetics you apply to beautify and change a serpent to dove, he will remain serpent to the end of his life.

            First maximize your club gains, then speak about others. ዝነድድ ጻሕላ ገዲፋ ናይ እንዳማታ ጻሕሊ ትኾክስ; sorry, I thought you are an Eritrean. The issue of Weyane is your country men problem; you can discuss it freely with them whenever you like or see the time is proper. Again, sorry for meddling in matters that do not concern me.

          • Hope

            Selam Wed Hashela,if U R one:

            Just consider what the TPLF said and did about the Aseb Port during the 2000 Offensive and the entire purpose of the repeated but futile devastating attempts to capture Aseb.

            Refer to the UN Archieves as to what Dr Tekeda Alemu said to the UN in 2000 during the Aseb Front Offensive.

            Hint:

            PMMZ was advised to capture Aseb and then deal in Algiers with a Strong Leverage to subjugate Eritrea and to make it present it self with the “ weakest” leverage and in the weakest position.
            Amb David Sheen betted with his Mercenary Ambassadors in Addis and was ready to celebrate the capture of Aseb butvthe rest is history!

            Don’t act like a child and regurgitate what our bloody enemies have been regurgitating that the EDF and Eritrea lost the war simply coz they retreated legitimately and for obvious reasons from Barentu and Tesenei.

            Reliable sources claimed that, at that time,the EDF was READY to over-run Mekele,(after it lost the opportunity to do so in 1999) after regrouping itself and after getting some BOOST from Libya.
            This might sound a wish and naive but contrary to your assertion,the EDF was INTACT, relatively speaking!

            I know that I heard PMMZ ordering his Troops to stop further invasion of Eritrea.
            It could be true but belittling and discrediting what the EDF did at that time is but close to TREASON.
            Please,don’t bring in what Haile Derue said.
            Berhe et al,STAY AWAY, please!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Aya Adi’U (Saay),

            My man, you get it the right diagnosis, the “Political Tourette’s syndrome”. But…. but how many times you will repeat for individuals who already have made up their mind. Remember you can’t debate with people who made up their mind. They don’t have rooms for possible considerations even with new informations. They are not debating, they are only showing their positions, however wrong they are. Sometimes, in such scenarios you need to preserve your energy. Just a suggestion.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            You know how this works: sometimes you talk to people, sometimes you talk through people.

            The only difference that would be from a treaty based on the Five Point Peace Plan of 2004 and the Five Pillar Peace Plan of 2018 is who signed on behalf of Ethiopia. We haven’t even gotten to the part of who signed on behalf of Eritrea. To tell them the guy who signed on behalf of Eritrea is in charge of a government whose term ended in 1997 and is still a “transitional government” is the next phase once they learn the first half of the lesson:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            You summarized the “cause of death and destitutes” of the Eritrean people as a note for history book perfectly. And yes “አይንተሓለል” for those who consider “struggle for a cause” is part of their life. You know what I mean it.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Semere Tesfai,

            Did your god, whom you worship, works according to the presence of ” Jendayi Frazer and Susan Rice era US policy on Ethio-Eritrean conflict then, is not today’s Donald Trump US Horn policy.” in office and out of office, or in accordance with principle? According to your logic he is a trader who offer Eritrea to those who pump to him life to rule more years and who pay him more dollars. He just gors after fodder like a cow. As far as you don’t respect Eritrean people rights you are an Ethiopian. Either you should be loyal to all Eritreans rights, even the weakest ones, or cross the border to your mother Ethiopia.

            The people of Eritrea love the rule of law and it is very sad to be ruled by culprit who is against all laws. Eritrea and its people were there before your god and will remain after the death of your god. It is just a matter of time. The people of Eritrea will never be evaporated as you expect. It your day spoilers, a dark day in the history of the Eritrean people. It is the nature’s law daylight to follow the deep dark night.

          • Hope

            SAAY:
            Please, be so kind to refute or challenge what Sem Tesfay said—point by point.
            You like links and Evidence ;and am sure Sem Tesfay will provide you with all, even though you got all of them at your finger tips.

  • saay7

    Ayneta:

    I think it is not the question that is nagging you, but the answer. Because I wrestle with the same thing and the answer goes like this:

    We could not “dialogue now, demarcate later” with the TPLF 16 years ago because they are untrustworthy partners. We also did not think that at the time the UN and US would give us a fair hearing because they are biased towards Ethiopia, so we went on a 16 year campaign to pressure the UN and the US to give us a fair hearing, that we knew we wouldn’t have. Simultaneously, we made it our strategy to defeat TPLF, so we can get a new central government in Ethiopia with whom we can have a “dialogue now, demarcate later.” Of course, since “later” can only come about after the new government is on firm footing, we don’t know when it is but it will happen. Meanwhile, this TPLF we have defeated has to be defeated again. Well sure, game over, buried deep, never to come back, but just in case, we have to wait. Our new mission is for Eritrea, a nation of 3.65 million people, to stabilize a country of 100 million. After that, we will deal with demarcation.

    As for when things will change in Eritrea as it relates to release of prisoners of conscience, demobilization or/end limiting terms of National Service, building the stalled institutions for rule of law and constitutionalism, ending the culture of violence and impunity, repatriating our refugees, returning home the internally displaced, the goal post keeps changing. First it was demarcation. Then it was lifting sanctions. Then it was Ethiopian stabilization. Then it was investments in Eritrea. Yesterday, Bronwyn B tweeted that an exit strategy for IA would also be wise.

    saay

    • @george

      Dear saay

      If in did browny said that, my initial suspicions about her this confirms she’s part of the global Mafia, USA

  • Fanti Ghana

    Selamat Monitor Kibrom and All,

    I have a question I have been meaning to ask, but first the intro.

    One curiosity I have regarding Eritrean politics is that, perhaps, Eritrea does not have the luxury of forming multi-party system. Its political background and history has been that of physical and ideological defense from outside forces. It took almost a hundred years to assert itself as a nation.

    Regardless of the hows and whys even that assertion is somewhat on a shaky ground. My personal wish for Eritreans has always been for them to unite under one umbrella regardless of what kind of umbrella until such time that they can afford to safely entertain a multiparty system. In case I am not saying it clearly, a unique solution for a unique problem is what I am looking for.

    Let’s assume then that the great majority Eritreans agree with a one party system as of today and the oppositions collectively agrees that if the following three basic, which ought to be in everyone’s interest, criteria are met they will scrap their opposition, return home, join the government, and start building the nation.

    1) Release all prisoners.
    2) Repatriate all willing refugees.
    3) Draft a constitution.

    Now the question: how likely is for the opposition to sacrifice everything else for the above three peanuts and how likely do you think is for the government to comply. Why or why not?

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Fanti,

      – Repatriate all willing refugees at a rate that can be absorbed.
      – Set a time limit for National Service.
      – Create a conducive environment for private business.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Fanti Ghana,

      I think, the thinking or believe that, because Eritrea went through so much, that the people deserve a gentle form of autocraticsystem instead of full fledged democratic system. As you well aware and I seriously believe it’s a disease within human nature, that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely as was said by lord Acton.

      In Eritrea, we have tried this in 1952 and where we ended up. I am not fully immersed in Eritrean history, but I have asked before and I don’t think I got a satisfactory answer. Where were the Eritrean opposition parliamentarian when the federation was dissolved? Where was the outcry, where was those guys who swear to protect the constitution that where send to jail, that were shot dead that were dragged from the parliament and put to jail, that protested.

      What I read is, Qeshi Demitros nominated Dejach Asfaha, who was suppose to be representative of the King to be chief administrator of Eritrea when Tedla Bairu resigned. As much as the King and Ethiopia worked for their interest (which they thought) by dissolving the parliament (work for it’s dissolve), I think the Eritrean parliamentarian should be held responsible first.

      Either they didn’t understand the job description and what it means, or they were just bought off.

      And that decision costed us 50 years of wasted opportunity, and lost of resources and almost all our people have paid dearly and still continue to do so. The new constitution that we were suppose to have is also equally, a Hankas constitution that can only serve to the same single party system, which was designed to serve PFDJ and only PFDJ type of government. I think when Dr. Bereket was asked why it’s not parliamentarian system or presidential system and his answer was, parliamentarian is messy and presidential is what ever explanation that he gave. He forgot that, the whole politics is messy, if it’s not it’s not called politics. And it should be left to the people who have the thick skin to stand on their believe and principle to fight for what they believe and for what they stand. Having a parliament for the sake of having one so the donor can approve and give you money is the wrong approach.

      The PFDJ or any other political entity, they need to earn it the privilege to government by allowing the people to vote and get the mandate to govern. That is our simple principled stand that we all should agree as a minimum.

      I don’t believe Eritreans are capable of creating some constitution or government that is unique to Eritrea. Eritreans are human beings, like all others in the world and they don’t deserve anything less.

      Berhe

      • David Samson

        Selamat Berhe,

        You very highly unlikely are going to get an accurate political atmosphere of 1950’s.
        As the saying goes ‘History is written by a victor’. Like all humans, historians have their own political biases. What we know about the 50’s is told by ‘words of mouth’. I brought up consuming all the propaganda of the sell-out ‘Andnet’ era.

        Thanks to information age, everything I was told and believed is now under scrutiny. Even the acclaimed Eritrean writer- Almeseged has left many inaccuracies from his book. The only reason I can think of is due to ‘political sensitivity’. I do not know how far we are going to consume ‘political Correctness’. I heard during Dr(Professor) Daniel Kindu’s talk, he mentioned his book about the ‘Federation Time’. I am unable to find it. It’s worth reading the book if you can get hold of it. It gives you a different perspective-Ethiopian.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam David Samson,

          There is an Amharic book called “YEritrea Guday” written by Zewde Reta. I read it a couple of times years ago. In my opinion it is a definitive, well documented book about Eritrea around that very important time period.
          The book presents the U.N proceedings in detail and the efforts of the Crown to a manageable level for the reader to see how it all played out.
          I know history is written by the victors for the most part, Zewde Reta not being considered a victor in this case gives it the added credibility.
          It is a compelling book primarily because its sources are laid out for verification.

          Mr. K. H

          • David Samson

            Selam KH,

            Since my Amharic is getting rusty by a day, it’s a good excuse to brush it up, so will buy the book.

            I had read many of Mamo Wdneh’s translated books. Sad to learn the passing of greater writer.

            A while back, I listened to BBC’ radio broadcast about the King and its reign. Two of the panellists were foreigners- a French and an Armenian- who lived in Ethiopia during the king’s time, and the third person was an Ethiopian. I think he was part of the king’s extended family. If I am not mistaken, his name is ‘Wondewesen’, lives in Germany and is written a book about the king.

            He said,

            “The King’s biggest mistake was to abolish the Federation”.

            The Eritrean’s parliament had voted for Federation. I do not think many people dispute it. What is hotly disputed and debatable is what had led for the king to take such action.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear David Samson,

            Hubris is what led the king to abolish the federation. And hubris is what will lead to Issayas’ downfall if he doesn’t mellow out real fast. Same fatal disease

          • David Samson

            Selamat Aligaz G,
            I have nothing left in my tank; I gave it everything I had to complete ‘Gobye’s part 1’ episode, while some people are eagerly awaiting part 2 of ‘Gobye’. I envy their energy.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear David Samson,

            Aligaz has said it right why the Emperor abolished the federation; and I heard just not short ago Prof. Berekhet Habtesellassie articulating Aigaz’s point saying that Hailesellassie had dream of going down in history books as an emperors who restored back what Emperor Menelik II had lost.

            Having said that, however, I would like to alert you about a misconception that the Eritrean parliament voted to end the federation in normal and pressure free atmosphere without arm twisting, intimidation and graft in titles and money. While the voting taking procedure was underway, the army was fully deployed on the streets of the capital. In other words, the country was already annexed de facto, and the vote was mere formality.

            Of course substantial segment of the parliament was filled ahead of time through controlled election by committed unionists. But those who opposed were in no position to express their judgements. The most prominent among them were awaiting opportunities to go to exile, and rest wanted to avoid liquidation and prisons and just have chance disappear in to political oblivion.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ismail and David,

            The following article might help. http://awate.com/major-dawit-woldegiorgis-more-of-red-tears/

            NB: Internal links to awate.com content are allowed anytime, outside links can only be posted on weekends.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Ustaz SJ,
            Thank you for making the article available. I hope David notice it and benefit from it.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear David, Ismael, SJ, Kibrom and all,

            Thank you SJ for the link. I have read the article before when it appeared but I am glad you posted it, so I had a chance to read it again and help me picture the condition when the vote were casted.

            Dear Ismael,
            I brought it up, not to question the vote of the parliament or the condition it was conducted, but to know what was the reaction and action of those parliamentarians were.

            My intention was not to question their commitment but rather to avoid similar arrangements that may come along the way. Fanti proposal sounds exact the same arrangement that we had and if we go that route, it may lead us to similar destination that we should avoid.

            What I am really interested is, if the Eritrean constitution had flaws that allowed for this to happen in the first place. For example,

            1) Was it legitimate to have Asfaha to stand for vote for chief executive of the federation when Tedla Bairu resigned? And did he serve as both the king representative and chief executive at the same time?

            2) From what I can understand, the national assembly was formed by members of different party but the leader (Chief executive) was voted by all members of the parliament. I hope to stand corrected but how does this line up in real world. In case of Eritrea, there were at least two parties who were on total different path from the beginning. Those who wanted a union with Ethiopia and those who wanted a separate country. How are those two different agenda suppose to be aligned and form a unitary government? Do you think this arrangement may have caused for the path of disintegration of the parliament? Had the parliament was divided based on party members, wouldn’t it possible for the opposition to stop the election of Asfaha in the first place.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Berhe,

            In the case of absolute tyrants even the best constitutions without institutions without the power to check and balance the executive are useless. See the magna carta see Trump. Hard to believe but the last king of Ethiopia and Eritrea would create laws in the morning and sit as the ultimate judge in the land in the afternoon. The king also had time to run the executive branch and was also chief diplomat. The king was everything and everywhere what was shocking is that he only screwed up on 3 issues . Constitutional monarchy, land reform, and Eritrea. Unfortunately for him and us these turned out to be not only monumental (fit for a king) but also fatal. In other words he found the perfect way to squander an otherwise great legacy. Reminds me of Issayas if he doesn’t democratize soon.

        • Desbele

          Selam David
          Tekeste Negash’s : Ethiopia and Eritrea the Federation time is also a good read

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Fanti,
      That is why in the fifth national convention, article XXV, zbar 15, article 39 , Eritreans unanimously decided to bestow an honorary Eritrean citizenship on you and offer the Awate Order–it is way better than the UAE Misginet offered to the chaps you know 🙂

    • Kbrom

      Dear Fanti

      Thank you for the inspiring questions.

      Can we start first with things that need to be clarified first. I think the notion that embarks on Eritrea spent its 100 years in ‘physical and ideological defense from outside forces’ hence lacks the capability or presence of conducive atmosphere to form a multi-party system’ is based on some how flawed premises, therefore erroneous conclusion.

      To the contrary the fact that Eritreans fought together for a century to physically and ideologically defense their country helped us transcend the predicament of many African countries which promotes factions and alliances built around ethnic loyalties.

      We have been endowed with embodiment of national values, togetherness, and patterns of dignity to develop a unified and indigenous values which include what has become today fashionable i.e. መደመር and ኣብሮነት that our Ethiopian brothers and sisters have been longing for for long time. ዘመን ቅንዕናን ተወፋይነትን ከሎ we use to call them ኣብ ብዙሕነት እተመሰረተ ሃገራዊ መንነት or ፍልልያትካ ኣኽቢርኻ ምንብባር before እንዳ ማሕሙዳይ changed it to one heart one people, one ear one voice, one idea one president, one thinking one way, one final and binding one demarcation, one NO no NO not now to final and binding, one No no No not now to demarcation……

      Re: Multi party system. I do think multi party system is NOT the best viable political structure when a countries are in a certain stage. States like Eritrea need a guiding leader (may be an iron fist hand) until it is transformed into institutional state with functional establishments. People might agree to postpone some ‘democratic’ necessities such us multi party system or elections, to be subordinated to the overriding needs of the integrity of the country. BUT only until we ensure that we have prepared the field that enable us to live in a more agreeable (political structure) place. Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew’s style.

      As you said, if we assume assume then that the great majority Eritreans agree for a one party system, I think the number one task SHOULD be to reinstate (actually to establish because it was never implemented) the rule of law. If we insist on the rue of law, we do not need to re-invent the wheel, because we will find all our answers there.

      Then for the three points you raised we will not even seek a favor be it from the government or the opposition, because the supreme answers are below.

      You said 1) Release all prisoners.
      And the answer is in our constitution which itself is under prison

      Article 17 – Arrest, Detention and Fair Trial

      1. No person may be arrested or detained save pursuant to due process of law.
      2. No person shall be tried or convicted for any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence at the time when it was committed.

      You said 2) Repatriate all willing refugees.

      And the answer is articulated in our constitutions as follows

      Article 19 – Freedom of Conscience, Religion, Expression of Opinion, Movement, Assembly and Organisation

      8. Every citizen shall have the right to move freely throughout Eritrea or reside and settle in any part thereof.
      9. Every citizen shall have the right to leave and return to Eritrea and to be provided with passport or any other travel documents.

      You said 3) Draft a constitution. ( what provokes you Fantachin to say ‘draft’ when we have one)

      And the answer is in our already ratified constitution as follows

      Article 2 – Supremacy of the Constitution

      1. This Constitution is the legal expression of the sovereignty of the Eritrean people.
      2. This Constitution enunciates the principles on which the State is based and by which it shall be guided and determines the organisation and operation of government. It is the source of government legitimacy and the basis for the protection of the rights, freedoms and dignity of citizens and of just administration.

      Would love to hear from you Fanti

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Kbromay,

        Lust for power and its needs to sustain defeat all well meaning intentions the points you have enumerated embody. After all we experienced and know, I cannot imagine how Eritrea can be an exceptiont in comparison to countries around the world that suffered devastation under one-party systems dominated by one-man. It’s is known many of them do write constitutions and statutes graced by clauses promising fairness under rule of law. Have we not seen the havoc one-party systems have been wreaking in post colonial Africa?

        • Kbrom

          Dear Ismail

          My apologies for this belated reply, ነገር ጥሮተኛን ሆስፒታልን።

          Ok, my point is/was to do with western style untailored democracy. I was trying to say is/was the western-style multi-party system is a product of their history and culture, and is not working for Africa. We have big difference in the ways we think and act, including the big difference we have with the western countries in terms of their culture which ‘stresses individualism, and tends to discredit the idea that anyone can work for overall interests.’ My idea was more general rather being specific to Eritrea .

          Almost all contemporary systems that have tried to transfigure ballot boxes into political power is having its irreparable flaws. Even when it works (or to be precise when it looks it works) it is not.

          Uganda’s Musevini changed the term, changed the constitution, as if that was not enough these days he is changing the age limit, Rwanda, the western darling, changed the constitution to fit his best interest, Sudan vowed not to participate in the election he won, what? 10 times 8×4 years , Djibouti the multiparty system of family owned country, Kenya the saga of ICC and the massacre of ethnic groups, Ethiopia the benevolent dictator PMMZ and its 99% ballot win, Congo and Kabila, Egypt where people seem to have vowed ‘len ymkn ‘an nahkum ‘iilaa min qibal aljiniralat aleaskariiyn etc.

          Well one can say you are giving the worst examples, let me give you the flaws in the ‘champions of democracy’ UK’s over mighty executive, Italy’s እንዳ ዱኳን እቶ በሎ successive chronically feeble governments, Israel’s tiny domineering factions who end up in corrupted governments, Trumps America where the president is above the supreme court in the name of executive decisions etc.

          The promising democracy is the Scandinavian countries one which made me think is monarchy helpful to stability? I also tend to ask would china been able to govern the complex process of managing a billion plus people without a strictly guided democracy that controls the state level interaction of government agency and structural factors that oversees its domestic and international ones and economic and non-economic ones.

          Chines system has an advantage of planning long-term as opposed to the western democracy where the leaders spend the first term learning the dynamics of the politics and get bad results due to their short-term systemic behaviour.

          The system of Singapore’s Lee which uplifted the country from a sleepy fishing village with no natural resources into one of the most successful economies in the world is one of the few exampled of guided democracy.

          No?

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Kbrom,

            You don’t have to apologize. God, who doesn’t suffer from the scourge called time constrains us from doing what to aspire to do.
            I sincerely appreciate your time for abundantly dealing with instances where the liberal ideals of democracy get hamstrung by human ego and lust for power.

            We, Eritreans, too, couldn’t escape the malaise so much so we get more worried about preservation of our hard-won nationhood and its independence than choice of systems to govern ourselves. The call of the hour is how to put our efforts together and get rid of the culprit.

            When we have half of our people dispersed around the world in forlorn refugee camps for generations and facing humiliations in transit lawless countries, it’s perhaps becomes obtuse thinking to dream for ideal democracy. But, the minimum would be a democracy that grants participation of crucial components of the nation and society and charter of law that order their cohesion so that they have enough reason to collective commit themselves to guarantee the survival and preseration of their nationhood.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Yetekeberu Kibrom,

        why draft -> PIA had declared that the 1997 constitution is dead, so it may look less confrontational to generally ask for a constitution without mentioning restoration of the old (PIA is stubborn). I think it may be better to give him the option to say “we already have one” or “let’s create another.”

        I agree that a unitary system with several strong civic societies maybe the way for now. Once majority stake holders participate, the sky is the limit. However, the hard question still remains: how can Eritreans get there today? Through Abiy, behind Abiy, with Abiy, without anything Abiy?

        Although some steps taken by the current leadership make no sense politically or humanely, Eritreans need to consider that some problems, however simple, may just have no solution.

        For anything new to happen the Eritrean Government has to make the first move. The opposition needs to find a way to convince those who can influence PIA that he needs to make the first move. Perhaps, one of the first moves is the “graceful exit” Saay is referring to below.

        In the meantime: please all,
        – Stop militancy
        – Replace ego and vanity with Eritrean decency and dignity.

        PS:
        Mahmuday, say something nice.

        • David Samson

          Hello Fanti,

          How can Eritreans get there today? Through Abiy, behind Abiy, with Abiy, without anything Abiy?

          Through Abiy. Yes, since PM is also our Foreign minister.

          behind Abiy. That is treachery!

          with Abiy. Yes, we use the medemer season.

          without anything Abiy. Do you want the ‘Nsu’ to go back to his hiding place- Adi Halo?

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam @george,

    First of all “Hope” is right, it is paranoia, not a concern. You may look at it as a concern, but look at your last sentence response to Hope. I come to think of it, it is way over paranoia stage, it is a fully developed something.

    These statements of yours…..”..the backward Ethiopians…”
    “…you might also be part of the conspiracy there’s an intensive campaign perpetuated by CIA through social media…”
    A little earlier you said “….The United States government is still roaming around, hovering like a buzzer looking to destabilize Eritrea.” (they couldn’t so far.)

    Do you really believe that or is it a left over slogan from days gone by, ringing in your ears.
    I know your target of venom is reserved for TPLF and Woyane today.
    If you were old enough your same venom target was the Shoa Amhara, just a couple of decades ago.

    Mr. K.H

    • @george

      Dear k.h.

      Nope it’s not conspiracy. And you’re wrong and I’m right 😊. But seriously, I’m sure you’re aware, the last 20 years, in fact in the last 60 years United of satan has middle in Eritrea affair. United States has supported every ethiopian regime. What makes you think they’re changing right now? What do you think they were helping them for? Even recently, previous US ambassador to Ethiopia, Vicky, say that there were isolette Eritrea and watch it implode. How about that fabricated story about Eritrea helping al shabbabe? It turned out to be a fake story.

      Woyane is the Venom, distractive, and short-sighted. Ethiopia in general have been producing backwards leaders. The current president hopefully it will change things he’s talking good we’ll see what happens.

  • Nitricc

    Hey Gorge; I agree for things not to be rushed but I don’t see any reason for not, like releasing the prisoners and starting demobilization process. I think TPLF is dead for good. The only question I have is that they might take the people of Tigray with them. From now on, TPLF should not even be mentioned, When they did their rally last weened and ask for Eri-tv to carry it, it is the end. After all what they have done to make Eritrea anther Somalia over the past decades all that evil deeds against the people of Eritrea, indeed the game is over, as always Eritrea prevailed and our dignity restored.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam all,

    A very unbalanced article, with selective outrage that cherry picks facts.

    For example, the article says:

    “The region has suffered for the longest time from the “game” of domination. Domination of one man, one faction, one ethnicity and one religious group.”

    This region must include the Middle East and North Africa where groups are ethnically
    cleansed [Saudi Arabia, the mother of democracy?!] or where the original people of the land live as second class citizens or live under the threat of being killed [Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Iraq].

    Some examples:

    The constitution of Jordan states, “Islam is the religion of the State and Arabic is its official language.”

    “The people of Syria are part of the Arab nation,” Syria’s constitution declares. “The religion of the President of the Republic is Islam; Islamic jurisprudence shall be a major source of legislation”. That means Syria may only be ruled by a Muslim. “The official language of the state is Arabic.”

    Egypt’s constitution declares it to be an “Arab Republic” and “part of the Muslim world”. You will not be surprised to learn that, “Islam is the religion of the state and Arabic is
    its official language. The principles of Islamic Sharia are the principal source of legislation.”

    These same statements, with minor variations, hold true for most of the Muslim countries in the region, and excluding Arabic, throughout the world.

    So this “game” the author is complaining about is not unique to the Horn region, it is widespread far and wide.

    • Brhan

      Hi Simon Kaleab,
      Welcome to you to your region that you extended it to Syria … Our region is the horn of Africa….

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Brhan,

        To start with, the author is cherry picking facts that suits his narrative on top of inaccuracies.

        Would you agree that this “game” the author is complaining about is not unique to the Horn region, it is widespread far and wide?

        • Brhan

          Hi Simon,
          The author is Eritrean, the issue is about Eritrea and Eritrea’s region is horn of Africa. I did not find him cherry picking with the context.

          Thank you

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            Would you agree that this “game” the author is complaining about, even if we assume it to be fully true, is not unique to the Horn region, but it is widespread far and wide?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Simon,

            I think you are looking at the situation from emotional point of view, which led you to illogical conclusion. This is what you are saying: The “game” is not unique to the region. There ars similar “games” elsewhere in other regions. Therefore, never mind that there are “games” in this region; and ending them should not have been a big deal to the author as long as he did not venture to produce a missive of hodgepodge of “games” across the regions near and far. It would have helped you if you had read bit closer the paragraph that introduced the subtitle and substance that aroused your concern.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA,

            I think you are attempting to project your lack of understanding of the subject onto me.

            When I derive a result, I don’t always show my individual steps, leaving it to the reader to fill the gaps. But, if you are struggling to grasp what I am saying, I will try to make it a bit more explicit for you.

            The “game” the author is complaining about is just a sub-game of a bigger game. This game of isolating, blocking and invading other people’s lands in North, North East Africa and the greater Middle East started almost 15 centuries go. Since this time, the people commonly called the Habesha have been in a defensive mode. So, with this situation as a context, do not be surprised about any perceived game in the Horn. Every game requires more than one player.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            Just seen your response. I think it’s not a contest about how much one knows about “games” here and there. The point is understanding the context in which the author wrote his article. It’s not about who in “defensive”, and who in invading “mode” was through the centuries.

            The issue you did not want to answer is whether existence of “games” in the places you mentioned should have stopped the author discussing the “games” in the region he chose to deal with. Wores even, you conceive the “games” the writer had discussed in relation to the Horn area as not real; just perceptions in his mind.

            Then, you end up with vague notion that each game needs “more than one player”. Couldn’t really dig what that means in relation to matters at issue.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Let me summarise this issue for you.

            In Eritrea, so far, we have only one government which took power after winning the armed struggle with the support of the people. Therefore, there is no case for complaining about some ethnic group playing a “game” of domination.

            In Ethiopia, the “game” being played is an extension of the domination “game” started in the Arabian desert. Here also, there is no case for complaint. Case dismissed!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            “Case dismissed”!.ተሳዒርና ከይብሉስ ይግባይ ይብሉ ገርካያ ንሚሸቱ. Your honor, you are a bit late, sir. The people had already rested the case before competent court of justice before waiting your considered opinion. The conversation was about adding context oriented intellectual input to what our brother Ismael Ibrahim Al-Mukhtar had discussed. Of course dealing was logic based discussions require intellectual prowess, which I felt is lacking here because you ended up candid and zeroed in defending a despotic regime and its “legitimate” exploits, as you put it

            For the sake of respecting those who followed the debate, let me re-state the question: Does it maks sense to tell an author he shouldn’t have ventured to discuss issues in a region just because there happen to exist similar issues else where?

            After evading answering the question, you are now telling me that people like the author should have no business with “games” that regimes like the one in Eritrea play because they came after winning a struggle. And to make a bad mind set worse, the “games” Ethiopia has bee, or should be, dealing were “started in the Arabian desert”, and there should be no reason for objection. Of course I have no clue as what the latter meant other than insinuating Islam.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Do you recognise the following “game”?

            A crafty “game” characterised by appeal to universal themes such as democracy, freedom, equality, diversity, dignity, tolerance and human rights, when one is in a weak position and in a minority; but a total absence of the above when one has the upper hand.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Simon,

            The more you resort to evasion and take refuge in confusing issues, the more you commit violation to logical argumentation. Now, you’re saying a minority cannot appeal (good Heaven know what that means) to the things you listed when there is domination. And to add absurdity to already flawed thinking, you say they weak play their case with tricks which you termed “crafty “.

            It’s vicious circle and waste of time. I should thank you for engaging, and respectfully disengage.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA,

            I have tried to make this “game” issue as plain and as explicit as possible for you to grasp, but to no avail. I cannot help you beyond this.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Simon,
            Can’t you understand. I told you that it was waste of time and disengaged. Now, one last word: please keep the way you think to yourself, and thank you for your extraordinary humility.

          • Blink

            Dear Simon
            I think Ismail is right you are late in this . The past 27 years people have been adapting to the notion that Eritrea is governed by one group the Tigrinya and for this group to be toppled the other groups in Eritrea must come to their similarities and that is their religion not culture not the reality on the ground. For these saying this is a Tigrinya government they have been telling their consumers of such articles that the Tigrinya are benefiting from Issaias. Do not you read the Afar documents peresnted in Sweden , they said “ the Tigre And Tigrinya control Eritrea power and evonomy , this is one explanation they have many in store and if you read any article in Arabic sites oh you will get crazy .

            Now who is dominating and who is dominated on the real world is known but they can’t tell because if they tell the truth they will not have any consumers. Now do you think these who complain about domination are ready for one person one vote ? No they don’t. They are only ready for this heat me loud . Power by being Afar , kunama, Jeberti, Tigrinya , Tigre , saho, bilen rashaida, Nara and so on .

            I am sure even after Issaias they know they can’t have like the Oromo and what they are looking is to have a particularly bad outcome and that outcome will not guarantee freedom, democracy, free speech and justice . Divide Eritrea across region and ethnic lines so that they can get to power . My view is they will remain on the same line for generations to come to complain because Eritreans I mean all Eritreans will not fall to such game

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Blink,

            You said:

            “The past 27 years people have been adapting to the notion that Eritrea is governed by one group the Tigrinya and for this group to be toppled the other groups in Eritrea must come to their similarities and that is their religion not culture not the reality on the ground. For these saying this is a Tigrinya government they have been telling their consumers of such articles that the Tigrinya are benefiting from Issaias.”

            Well said! I cannot put it better than this.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam blink,

            Mr. blink, follow the foot steps of your boss and cross the border towards Ethiopia, your mama. Leave Eritrea for Eritreans, they know better to handle their issues than an alien. The true Eritreans march already started; the fake from original has become stark clear. My neighbors, Mr. blink and Simon Kaleab from Ethiopia, should conceive that any Eritrean can rule Eritrea and be on the highest echelon irrespective of his/her religion, ethnic, region, or tribe.as far as Eritrea is under well established institutions of governance. The game of dividing Eritreans is over. Remnants of Alula militias are deflating.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            You are blowing hot air continuously to relieve your stress. If you are willing to go to Asmara to effect regime change, I am happy to organise a whip-round for your one-way Airplane ticket.

          • Blink

            Dear Hameed
            Seriously? I did not know that . The truth bites you hard and you are in a coma

          • Hope

            Selam Simon:

            I think both of U are on the same page but some “miscommunication” some were in grasping the context where the Author is focusing on Eritrea and you are focusing on general terms.

            This should have answered the dilemma:

            “The author is Eritrean, the issue is about Eritrea and Eritrea’s region is horn of Africa. I did not find him cherry picking with the context.”
            Irrespective of what happens somewhere else though, we don’t need any more game and the PIA’s game should be equally OVER and come to an END-the Author’s Genuine and Core message.
            Plus, remember that there is an “Opposition Politics” into it, which seems to be your point.

  • abdulworld

    Cool-robe cali-hope
    I think all three of you are missing intent or message of article.
    The folks from Horn could learn one or two things from countries like Tanzania in terms of peaceful co-existence.
    I don’t about anyone Eritrean group trying to do this… or that.. most intelligent Eritrean want for their children and grandchildren to get access to best education and opportunities to participate in the world… and develop their potential

  • abdulworld

    Hello Ismael,
    You wrote a great article and pointed out some of political/belief/mindset diseases that haunt the Horn.
    What scares me the most is the language of PIA- “game is over”
    We can say his English language skill is limited but what kind of leader uses language like that…
    I think inside his head he still thinks he is running a guerrilla army in mountains where he used to practice is his war games… and not life of 5+ million people..

    1. Domination- I just think that is just left over of feudal mindset. When leaders realize that they serve the people and not other way around.. all this talk of ethnic or religious dominance will disappear..
    2. Justifying the unjustifiable…. Again this happens when people stop thinking for themselves. We need to emphasize and praise critical thinking..and self-assertion..
    3. Win/Lose- this is cultural disease that originates from space of scarcity and poverty…
    I see this in Eritrean community back home and even more in diaspora..

    A simple microcosm if you take an Eritrea diaspora community…
    Take 100 Eritreans and ask them to form community center-
    1. There will be a battle or fights about who should lead… (domination)
    2. Some random or arbitrary reason will given to separate the groups(justifying unjustifiable)
    3. They will not work effectively since some will have view that whoever leads will get all… Win/Lose.

    Finally, I don’t know about using the “Game” to describe such important and impactful ideas or beliefs..

    • Ismail AA

      Hayak Allah Sheikhna Aljalil,

      Lucid and thorough in every sense. I am upvoting brother abdulworld’s input. Thank you abdulworld. Trying to scribble anything more would be repeating what you have succinctly written.

    • Hope

      Abdul:
      A Classic Opposition Style mantra or reaction.
      Consider the time period from 1993-1997.
      While your characterization of the leader in question might be true, which we most of us believe as a Major issue(Maintaining the Guerrilla/Armed Struggle Era Leadership, as vet Mahmud admitted it),you are missing tons of other external factors, which have contributed to the mess we are in.

  • Peace!

    Hala Ya Ustaz,

    Thank you for the exceptionally matured and resourceful piece! You are absolutely right unless the culture of “I win; you lose” defeated, dominance will remain the major cause for endless Game-overs. I hope our language experts would translate such educational piece into most spoken languages so tolerance can bubble from all corners to defeat dominance once for all. Once again thank you!

    Peace!

  • cool

    hi
    always wonder every piece that awatista presents has to do with faith, Religion and sharing power,, i donot mind if one good Moslem with secular mindset(very very rare) would be president in Eritrea but bearing in mind that Eritrea existed as literate civilisation Long bevor islam came in to being,, that does not seem the senario of the near future
    cool

    • Robel Cali

      Hi cool,

      That is the issue. The West and East view Eritrea from a Tigrinya civilization, culture and identity. For them a Tigrinya is an Eritrean and an Eritrean is a Tigrinya. This is because Tigrinya people promote their culture and language through music, film, festivals, graduations,awards (Tiffany Haddish) and anything under the sun. They even promote the cultures of other Eritrean groups (which seems to annoy Awate writers).

      Unfortunately, we don’t see the same enthusiasm with linguistic and culture promotion from Muslim groups in Eritrea. Instead, we are told their mother tongue is Arabic and their traditional dress is that of the Arab thobe (speaking of Bejas and Tigres only). In fact, most Tigre books are written by the Mensae (a Christian Tigre subgroup) and the second most are written by Tigrinya authors. It seems the vast majority of Muslim Tigre scholars gave up on their mother tongue and identity in favor of Arabism.

      We don’t see this weird and bizarre behavior anywhere else in the Horn of Africa. So it is clearly politically motivated. For example, the Somalis love their language and culture. They like the Tigrinyas, promote their culture everywhere they go. So it’s not a Muslim thing but a political thing. They (Muslim Eritrean elites) want to politically challenge the Tigrinya by building a coalition of Arabized Muslim Eritreans to politically challenge and isolate the Tigrinya from other groups. Their long term goal is the islamification of Eritrea by making it unbearable for non Muslims through laws and regulations.

      With regards to a Muslim leader, we already have one. Isaias Afwerki has done more to promote Arabic, Islamic supremacy than a Muslim leader could ever dream of. Most Muslim female youth are excluded from doing National Service. This same privilege is not given to their Christian counterparts. Moreover, Muslims enjoy a state within a state with some Sharia, while Christians have to abide to the state laws, regardless of what their faith demands of them. Perhaps the most tragic of all is the Arabic suffocation of Eritrea of late. You see signs of Arabic are everywhere, daily programs of Arabic as blasted in state media and who can forget, the loud five times a day prayer to call in Arabic (noise pollution) in Asmara. All this in a country with a history of negligible Arabic speakers.

      • cool

        Robel,
        the Point is that Moslems not only in Eritrea but all over the world have inferiority complex as a result of which you see a desprate Action like 9/11,
        willingness to sucrifice own life in order to take as maney lives of other faith as possible, which is absurd and never practiced by any other Religion in history.. their inferiority comlex imanates from the reality that they Always lag behind the western(chritianity) civilisation concerning science and technological Acquisition.and the Status quo will continue until they realise that they have to Reform that notorious book

        • Brhan

          HI COOL,
          That is hate crime in the WEST and it will put you in trouble

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            If one says that the Christian West was living in the Dark Ages before the Renaissance, will it be a hate crime or a thought crime?

          • Brhan

            Hello Simon Kaleab,
            When we speak about hate crime we are speaking about law which is free from emotion. If you want to defend Robel be rational.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            So, you are skirting past my question?

            “If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.”

            – Marcus Aurelius.

          • Blink

            Dear Brhan
            Where is hate crime in the west mention some countries as the west is vast.

        • Brhan

          Hi Cool,
          Let Robel speak.

      • Brhan

        Hello Robber,

        OSMAN ABDULRAHIM
        YOUNUS IBRAHIM
        YOUSUF SAEED,
        ALAMIN ABDELLATIF,
        YEHAYA (SERAYE ADEY)
        WEDI SHEIKH
        ABRAR,
        M. ALI (YA ASENA),
        MOHAMED BRHAN ATTA (N EDAGA DO KITWERD IKHA),
        SAEED BRHANU,
        JEMAL ROMEDAN,
        BEHITA ALI
        THE LIST GOES ON ……

        • Hope

          Selamat Brhan:
          Robel’s question or issue was NOT about the list of Eri Muslim Artists but lack of a serious commitment as much as they should- to do what their Tigrinya speaking Compatriots have done.in the setting of the Diaspora.
          There was an honest article here to that effect that the Muslim Youth should wake up and participate by joining their ” Christian” Compatriots.
          Robel’s lament about the Eritrean Muslims being “OBSSESSED” with Arabic Language in Eritrea is SPOT on….
          Why such an obsession compared to the Somalis and Djiboutians,West African Muslim Nations as well as the Turkish,the Iranians, the Malaysians and Indonesians.
          And as Robel eloquently put it, aside form Ahmed Rajja’s Statistics, over all,the Muslims are well treated in Eritrea compared to their Christian Compatriots, relatively speaking.

          • Brhan

            Hi Hope
            Let Robel speak

          • Blink

            Dear Brhan
            Why the feeling pressured ? Relax people who read these comments can learn from all.

        • Robel Cali

          Hi Berhanu

          My point is about linguistic and culture promotion. Where are the Tigre poems, books, films, comedy, plays, songs in the diaspora like we see with Tigrinya and Somali artists all over youtube? Go look all around, Tigres either promote Arabic or promote nothing (the latter seems to be the majority). Rarely do they promote Tigre.

          Also, the list you named are current or former state singers who are paid to sing in their mother tongue. The Eritrean government is literally hand holding the development of Tigre language.If the government was not in the business of monopolizing Eritrean music, I would love to see what language these singers would mostly sing in. Aside for maybe the true die hard Shaebias like Kedija Adem and Wed Sheikh, I doubt most Tigre singers would continue singing in Tigre. Tigre elites have surrendered their mother tongue and identity for an Arabic political cause. If the Eritrean government was not meddling in the promotion of Tigre, this language would be on a fast track to extinction.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Ismail I. Mukhtar,

    Excellent piece. Best of the best of your articles so far. Thank you for making the issues on perspectives. You touched everything to adddress the on going development between Ethiopia and Eritrea in particular and the Horn in general. Excellent read.

  • Nitricc

    Hi Ismael; PIA saying game-over to the weyane is as much to PIA too. Now there no excuse or reasons to reform and to do the right thing. it is TIME!!!

    • Aligaz G

      Dear Nitricc,

      Ismael Ibrahim Mukhtar senses that we may be at the end of an era. Game over really means get ready for the next game. The king is dead long live the king kind of moment. A historical inflection point or a paradigm shift. 100 million Ethiopians have self modernized. What do I mean by self modernization? This concept is one I borrowed from American Poetry. The transition from Victorian poetics to Modern poetry often required mentorship but very ra