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The Adi-Mengonti Speech: A Commentary And Translation

Commentary: I am a jealous person, but it is not what you are thinking. I am jealous as in “zeyqen’e ay’yweled”, jealous as in, “I am a jealous God.” Both are positive attributes. The Eritrean adage challenges us to seek higher accomplishments by emulating others without malice, and God’s jealousy springs from giving something that rightly belongs to him to others: worshiping the idols gods. As an Eritrean I was jealous for lacking an inspiring, timely, and timeless speech and  for being robbed of what is righty and inalienably mine—liberty and justice.

And so I envied the Americans and Tigrayans. The Americans for their Gettysburg speech and the Ethiopians for their Mekele speech. I even envied the South Africans for Mandela’s speech from the dock at his trial in 1962: “…It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”

In the Gettysburg Speech President Lincoln said that no one will remember the words spoken there. He was wrong.  Americans remember the Gettysburg speech for its vigour, its brevity, and its penetrating message.  In the Mekele speech, Prime Minister Meles Zenawi paid tribute to his people and heralded a new dawn in Ethiopia. People will remember that speech for the following: “enqau endamtkum aykonna. Ezen trriewon zelekum helicoperat bomba zdribay leykonas, setti semhar Lnsnssa eyen.” [glad we are from you, these helicopters will not spray bombs, but lush grass].

Then came the “The Honest speech.” In it, Haile DeruE warned that we must pay attention, “hissabna nigber”, that Eritreans should not rest on their laurels before accomplishing what they set out to accomplish. Constitutional governance and justice are our business to begin with, but they also have the dual function to please the world, he said, and to that end we need to move “bquarta knkedid alenna”–fast. It was mostly allusions, but he paid non-condescending, genuine tribute to the people of Eritrea and criticized the leadership of the war. He was immediately demoted and later when he became a founding member of the G-15, he, along with his colleagues and long-time comrades, was made to disappear.

Hurrah, No more jealous! We now have our own timeless speech: The “Adi Mengonti” speech. Bitweded Abraha; after spending seventy-four months in a solitary confinement he paid homage to the thousands who perished by calling for reconciliation, forgiveness, and emphasizing non-violence and rejecting revenge against those who inflicted suffering on him. He addressed both the “Stones” and the stones. The “Stones” later stoned him by ratting on him, while the stones and their kin and kith, the rocks and pebble waited for their chance to bury the mortal man who spoke the immortal words.

The speech was impressive on many levels and so was its use of the Tigrinya language. Bitweded’s use of Tigrinya seceded from the literal to embrace the natural, from rudeness to reclaim deference, from turgidity to harken on humility. He said he was released on the day of “Kidane Mihret”, the 16th of the month in the Geez calendar. He invoked the traditional rule of law, “Hgi enda Aba”. Blood relatives, follow villagers, and PFDJ spies alike listened on. The women ululated when he invoked forgiveness to start the New Year with a new spirit and new constitution. A “Stone” even yelled, “Sah”, Arabic for “RIGHT”.

The speech and the advice it offered in the fight against our monstrous captures has been proved to be impotent under regimes like PFDJ, but it is a speech that we must cherish and heed nonetheless. It is a speech that we must imitate both for its tenor and equanimity, it is a speech that me must include as an extra arrow in our quiver to triumph over the challenges that lie ahead on the wake of PFDJ’s inevitable demise. It is a speech that we must enshrine in the museums of our hearts. It is a speech that we must use to erase all past and future PFDJ speeches.

It is also a speech that PFDJ wants us is to emulate, albeit for a different reason. It wants us to emulate the spirit of this speech when we fight against it, it wants us to give the other cheek as if we own endless supplies of cheeks; the PFDJ wants us to fight it with our bare hands while they avail to themselves tanks and missiles.

Translation of Bitweded’s Speech From Tigrinya:

First allow me to thank all of you: my fathers, older brothers, sisters, all of you collectively.

You have availed to me deference, may deference be bestowed upon you! I am not deserving of all these accolades and respect, what little I may have contributed is my duty. Most importantly we have paid dearly with the lives of young jewels, fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen, under twenty years’ olds. Thousands of them have died in sacrifice for our independence, justice and freedom, but I am still alive.

Although the injustice that was committed on me after independence was disappointing, is not a big deal, it is minuscule problem. I do not dwell on the past, I look forward to the future, this is a fraction of the lengthy, collective struggle we must wage for human liberty, before it was for independence and country, now the struggle is for human liberty, so fellow-man would not exploit and abuse us, to be free, to be governed by law, like our fore-bearers did with “hgi endaba”: the laws of our fathers. Under the strong “hgi endaba” a judge presided, devoid of guns, of prisons and of police. Even the bandits abided by the law, everyone did, the rich, the strong, the poor and the gun owner. The Eritrean people rejected outlaws, we are law and justice loving.

To institute societal justice we will need to commit ourselves, if after paying dearly in thousand lives and I am scared, I can be promoted, I can benefit and be decorated, but it would be at the expense of the nation. I will never do that.

I am innocent and I have committed no crime except to stand against the selling my country, if anyone, from the top to the bottom echelon has proof to the contrary, he can come forward, if he is a man.

I was in solitary confinement for seventy-four months, but now I am free and victorious man. What I have said sx years ago, they are saying it now. I have said it six years prior.

What I said was, we should not sell out and compromise our ports to our killers and murders, that is what I said and I am duty bound to do so, as it is my honour and your honour.  I have to commit and advocate for my national and public interest.

Esteemed guests, allow me to share with you a secret: I pledge that I have no grudges because of the wrongs that was done to me and the suffering I have endured. I have chosen reconciliation and peace. I will seek neither revenge on those who wronged me nor punishment against them. I have forgiven them all. In this occasion, in the presence of my fathers, brothers and sisters, I express my readiness to seek no revenge and punishment against those who wronged me. Also I will not accept any monetary restitution, I told them to open schools and educate poor kids with it. I refuse any restitution, to the sons of “Adkeme Milligga” receiving compensation is an insult. I have trusted this [pointing to his collar] when I struggled and I will live trusting it.

With a rejuvenated spirit, in the new year, from the date of birth, meaning the date of my release:  the 16th in our calendar, Saint  “Kidane Mhret”,  the 24th of December, 1997 in the “Ferenji” (Gregorian), I am ready to start with this spirit. Even those who wronged me are my friends. Grudges, revenge are useless, they are harmful. Infighting, acrimony and destruction only lead to turmoil.

Always, in the democratic process between brethren of the same country we must chose to live together in harmony. It will require, tolerance, mutual respect, acceptance, debate, understanding, trust, consensus and compromise on divergent views. We must endure. He who exudes, patience and tenacity with time will roam the streets in freedom. If they lock you for seventy four months, so be it, just endure, the Eritrean people will free you. I am confident that people will raise their hands to ask the where about of Bitweded and am here freed, amongst you.

To set an example for others, I have forgiven from the bottom of my heart, because forgiveness, peace and reconciliation are superior to everything else. All humans need forgiveness, present company included,  it takes courage to forgive.  Let us forgive and we shall receive forgiveness. It takes determination, courage and bravery to do so, yet it is not easy. A wronged person harbors bad feelings, yet forgiveness, peace and reconciliation can be found even in a wounded heart. You should not abandon the right way because you have been wounded. I have been wounded, damaged for seventy four months, as a human being I have been alienated and locked in solitary confinement in a dark room, but with my wounded heart, on December 24, 1997 in the Gregorian calendar, and the 16th in our calendar, I have intimated my readiness for forgiveness and reconciliation in my letter to the defence minister and president of Eritrea. Before they uttered anything, I have given them forgiveness, choosing reconciliation and peace so that you can rejoice and know.

There will always be conflicts and divergent views and fights, but the best solution is to sit around the table, like we are doing right now, in peace, and in a legal manner, with a democratic dialogue to solve it. It is not weakness, it is the least costly with bigger gains for victory for peace, a price for peace. Prisons, muzzling and alienation are illegal and therefore wrong means to solve conflicts. They will never lead to a solution. Let us make my case a teaching moment, lest we repeat these kinds of history in an independent Eritrea. You should not lock someone just because he opposed you, instead you have to seat down and seek a solution. Settling divergent views with due process and in a peaceful manner will yield peace that has lasting power, but it has some small price, for example as in my case, I was wronged, but it has bigger gains. Compromising, and solving conflict amicably is not a loss. Do not think that I lost because I forgave, I am not expecting anything in return, no one should deny me what I deserve but I also do not want special treatments. I am speaking by standing on the graves of martyrs, 65, 000 of them have died, and who commanded them? Bitweded. But I am   alive. It is the fact that I made it alive is what I considered a weakness. I consider forgiving those who wronged me and my enemies a triumph, so do not think I lost. Some people think that going to the jungle with a gun to fight and kill people is a victory. If you kill your brother, you are hurting yourself. Or if you want to take revenge also you are hurting yourselves. I reject this.

To genuinely believe in forgiveness, trust me I will not be a prisoner of past grudges, acrimony. With a fresh thinking, in the New Year, 1998 and with a new spirit and constitution, I am embarking on this journey. For the sake of peace and reconciliation I have given full forgiveness. It best to think for the long term. Let us think about our children and grandchildren, the long trek to human liberty, to preserve and shepherded peace, justice, democracy.  Let us think how we would preserve and shepherded the peace we have, let us not squander it. There are the fools who will take up arms because they were wronged, but the wise will reject such endeavours as bad choice and instead will elect to be wronged for the sake of the country and people.  Let us shepherded this peace. Let us learn from our neighbours.  The ideals of modernity, development, prosperity, peace, and justice were our goals, our vision and our dreams. I have chosen to focus on them. It is a long journey.

In 1941 when WelWel was talking about independence, he only had a handful supporters, but in 1991 after fifty years, the people rallied around independence and they hoisted their flag triumphant and jubilant. And that is what I am saying, we can attain the remaining journey peacefully. We should not seek short cuts. It took fifty years for independence and social justice will take another fifty. If Bitweded and others are locked for seventy four months or ten years, it is a token. To bring change we need to commit, we should not fear, we should be brave. Do not fear a human being, fear the law and God. Man will put you in a trap if you fear him, but if you stand up to him he will be under you, this requires courage and commitment. If they put me in the dungeons today, the people will ascend me to the throne tomorrow. It is the people who have the ultimate say. But I have to endure, I should not give up, I should not despair and be frustrated. I have to use my time, I have to work inside the prison.

Living together in peace is a fruit of forgiveness, reconciliation and wisdom. The yard stick of a brave politician and wise leader of a nation in our present times is the maturity of the mind: one who converts enemies to allies and friends, one who expands his circle of friends, one who brings the divided closer and one who invites the gun totting from the jungle to come and compete with him, one who compensates those who were wronged, one who admits his mistakes and openly asks for forgiveness with humility, not with arrogance of “we have brought independence”. One who believes, it is the people who brought independence and seeks their counsel and advice and direction to avert mistakes. It is not how many you have killed but how many you have forgiven. We are witnessing it in South Africa and others, we are learning and let us do the same. I am only one, there are thousands of prisoners, let us demand that they are bought to the court of law, I will also say the same. Fear not.  If they put us in prison, so be it. If they come after me the second time, I am willing to be imprisoned, until justice reigns, I hope they are wiser now and will not repeat it, the point is that we should not be silenced.

You are my follow villagers, I was in Assab only for two months, Omar Hakitto is from Afar and a former member of the parliament of Eritrea, from the day I was imprisoned he was always inquiring about me, to the minister of justice and the president, they did not tell him that I opposed them, how would they, but he was never arrested because he was brave. I am mentioning him in thanks not say that he was the only one who asked and advocated for me, lots of people did, friends, relatives and acquaintances alike. Many have also been arrested because of me. People inquired about me vouching that I was innocent but I am just saying we should not stop. Let us point them out when we witness unfairness.  Fesseha Bahta, you are a member of the parliament, you should speak up, people have delegated you, come back to your village to report back that you have spoken on their behalf, if you do that they will not touch you, if you do not, they will chase you. Nothing will happen to you, the power is on the hands of the people. So am reiterating commitment for the advancement of national interest, the rule of law and justice. It is a collective responsibility, a lone person will not go far, but I am willing to start it.

I am telling, peace is superior to everything, the most important gift of grace to human being is living in peace. Let us preserve and shepherd the peace we have as we will hand it down to our children and grandchildren tomorrow. We can only give what we have, so let us pass the peace we have to our children, so they can pass it to their children. If we squander the peace we have, it will cost us heavily to recreate the peace. Do not heed those who tell you they will bring justice with guns, they are liars, tell them to bring change through imprisonment peacefully. Peace can only be attained with peace.

Let us learn from Angola and Mozambique, the decimated lives, the destroyed economy during their civil war is several folds of what they paid when fighting the European occupation. Mozambique’s civil war lasted for sixteen years and cost 150,000 lives, Bitweded is not foolish, will not follow such means, and I will continue with due process and peacefully. Let us choose this process.

There are some irresponsible generals and political leaders who commit mistakes, the wrong means of solving conflicts that will not bring durable peace. We will pay heavy price to recreate peace tomorrow, we need to be very careful. I am looking at it from this perspective.

I have effectively used and enjoyed my seventy four months of incarceration. I have used my time to write my books and pursue my studies. It was not in vain, you will see the fruits of my labour in the future. I was also working from inside the prison. Do not think for a minute that I lost, I gained more respect, to be a man one must be tested and after he is freed he will be a man. I came out tested but not broken, so you should not have regrets about that.  Rejoice my fathers, older brothers and sisters. Be proud as you have made me proud. You gave me your collective reverence. The respect from the people is superior to that of a general, a minster and president. The honor you have bestowed on me now and before is a testament to the respect you have for me.

Thank you!
Eternal glory to our martyrs!
Victory to the masses!

Thank you again!

May your blessing and prayers fall me

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  • No Drama

    Seb Awate,

    Why was this video not made public before?

    We all have heard about Bitew speech right after he was realised from jail in 2007. But, if some body has recorded it on video like it appears to be the case now, why was it withheld for so long?

    Bitew is a genuine Eritrean hero, no doubt about it. I am impressed by the conciliatory, optimistic and forgiving tone of his speech.

    • PTS

      Seb No Drama:)
      Your question is logocal. We don’t know the answer. May be the ‘owner’ had security issues but now he is free of that. Or may be he lost the video all these years and found it accidentally.

      • No Drama

        PTS,

        May be it’s the case, may be it’s not. The skeptical in me believes that there is nothing accidental when it comes to such a ground breaking piece. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think that this video or anything that we can say or right about Bitew will have the slightest impact on those who knowingly decided to support and side with the butcher of nakfa. It really pains me to see that those genuine heroes who have put their faith in the Eritrean people’s maturity and sense of justice by summiting their fate to their judgment have been cowardly let down by the keboro-junky hafash.

  • Abay

    Dear All,

    I am an Ethiopian who frequents this web and occasionally throw in comments. With all my differences, I enjoy reading Amanuel Hidrat and I have always thought him an asset to his people. It would be very sad if he really resigns. I simply hope he reconsiders. Any disappointments in political discussions is simply an unavoidable “occupational hazard”. People like Amanuel Hidrat have extra obligations for their juniors and nothing should make them turn away form that. Please look at the bigger picture.
    Regards
    Abay

  • tes

    Dear Guest,

    Eritrea is not for those who hibernate and wake-up when an unknown source of fund is channeled to run a dirty business. Medrek are in dirty business these days. They need to be rejected and dumped like that of PFDJ.

    Eritrea will not be the land of justice with people that run their mind using PFDJ thinking.

    tes

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Guest,
    I don’t prefer to reply to the people who use Guest as Guest might be more than one. I noted people with the name Guest come with different principle. for now, I don’t know why you have difficulty with people who chose different way than Medrek. again I don’t see why you categorize Amanuel, Hayat any YG as one. As for me I just see all in from different shelf coming in different way of struggle. Let me leave the two for now and Just clear for you about Amanuel, it is far far from what you describe him. He has clear stand in everything and you will have to read his comments and articles. I will advice you not to follow PFDJ style–when they are lazy challenging ideas and it is easy to label and blame.

    I know reformers are in trouble, as Medrek it self seems not struggling to reform as per the interview. principally they have said we need unity with opposition not with PFDJ. to which party those reformers belong, I don’t know ! it seems they are lost souls.

    “change within? ” what does that mean to you? for me change withing is change within self. change within the people of Eritrea. that doesn’t mean reforming PFDJ at all. again, I don’t know any single party or individual who work for change without. Guest, please as one name like Guest1 so some one will know he is discussing with one specific man.

    • Guest

      Dear KS,

      The point here is not reform, but rather it is about identifying the right approach for sustainable change. Seeking change from within ensures change by the people for the people, and it includes all options even weed out from within.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Guest,
    which Guest ?

  • Hope

    Tnx Abreham!
    Yes indeed ,we are on the same page!Agreed my Dear One:
    I enjoyed it and was thrilled to hear the voice of my old friend,We’d Shengheb!
    I was afraid of,that he became the victim of PFDJs Long Zengji!
    Intelligent,a Classic Eritrean Genius,articulate with ample knowledge and experience about the PFDJ business!
    There was a reason PIA ,aka,DIA,picked him to use him and later to dump him and could have been no where had he been kidnapped like his colleagues!
    We were a bit suspicious that he could be assigned as an under-cover double Agent but he knows better NOT to be so!
    Glad he is safe !
    If he is willing,he can unify the scattered Youth for good!

  • abraham fiseha

    Dear Semere, your quote about the former PM’s speech in Mekelle is not correct. He never used words “Leykonas” and “Semhar” instead what he used was words he grew up with ie …”Zaykonas” and “Semhal. the region where he grew up never use words such as “Leykonas.
    Regards.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello All,

    I read a couple of “resignation” posts today that made me sad.

    I want to point out that blaming the people who work hard to provide us this platform so that we can discuss issues that matter to our peoples is extremely unfair. The following were some of the points that revolved in my mind all day:

    1) It is a daunting effort to maintain a website. I can’t even imagine how much sacrifice the Awate Team must be making to maintain this website. They have absolutely nothing to gain except to do their best to contribute for the betterment of their people and country. They are the modern era “Tegadelti,” if you will. They owe nothing to any of us. They do it because they believe and they hope that they will make a difference. I don’t believe it is, but if the quality of this website deteriorates, it only reflects our failure and not of theirs.

    2) As it is true of anyone who frequents this forum and expresses their opinions, Saay and SGJ (as mentioned), do express their opinions occasionally. Like the rest of us, they can be right and they can be wrong. The fact that they administer this website does not mean they shouldn’t have opinions or their opinions must please all of us at all times.

    3) Some of us seem to expect them to get rid of some of the “trouble makers,” and it is understandable to occasionally feel that way, but the moment they do that, this forum will cease to exist as a public medium. It will become a private site where a few “select” individuals discuss a few issues they almost always agree on.

    4) There were some names mentioned both as good (those who left) and bad (those who stayed) examples. What the Awate team could do about that has already been done, and that is to have a posting guideline that is applied to everyone equally. Do you think they feel good about being insulted by everyone on their own website? How many times have they been criticized for being one thing or another just because they administer this website? If you really think about it, if Saay and SGJ were not Moderators; we wouldn’t necessarily notice them except to admire their incredible intelligence and resourcefulness. Have we ever asked ourselves what these two great persons have said or done that is different from some of our great Awatistas?

    Please folks; let’s not try to make the fact that they “own” this website be a muzzle against their right to express their opinions. I could go on and on on this but…

    I am sorry, no time to edit or proof read (actually I did, a little), but if you get the gist of it, I will be glad.

    Keep walking!

    • AOsman

      Dear Fanti,

      Few days back AH and KS looked emotional when they declared to stop writing, KS broke his oath and decided to fight back (good decision I would say. As for AH I did not get what was the issue that made him retire from commenting here now. Was it SAAY line in tigrigna about being carried on the back to…..

      Did I miss something, who else resigned? democratic coup in action without some of us awatista noticing

      I suspect the recent Nairobi meeting is what is getting some awatista all emotional these days, I am waiting for some reports to catch up on what is happening – so far it looks suspicion of reformers gone wild.

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Aosman,

        “democratic coup in action without some of us awatista noticing” for me this was one step forward. in fact this came with my personal achievement first and 2nd this was the time I learn not only how truth is difficult to swallow but how much poisonous it is for some .. ሓቂ መራር ምዃና ይፈልጥ ነይረ : ሓቂ መርዚ ኮይና ግን ርኣየ ኣይፈልጥን :: ምናልባት ሎሚ ሎሚ ግን ንገለ ወገናትና መርዚ ኮይናቶም ኣላ: ዝገርም እዩ!

        but the best part is it opens for me to think and leap to the 2nd step in exposing the corrupted views everywhere. ድሕሪ ደጊም ንኾነ ኢሉ ዝደቀሰ ብዘለዎ ክድቅስ ኢና ክንቃለስ ዘለና -ዝብል መልእኽቲ እዩ ነይሩ እቲ ተረኽቦ ::

      • saay7

        Hey AOsman:

        I don’t know why the Nairobi meeting would get people all excited. Your know the NRA slogan: Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Similarly, Nairobi doesn’t make people jerks; nature/nurture makes people jerks. Speaking of jerks, the jerk at mesherfet.com is still calling SGJ “Ali Salim” despite the fact that “Ali Salim” came here, in this website, and announced what his real name is.

        Dr. Assefaw and Muhyedin Shengeb (both from Medrek) were interviewed by VOA’s Tewelde today. People can listen to the interview and make up their minds. Or half their mind up. Until SGJ comes here and blows the lids off:

        http://m.tigrigna.voanews.com/a/interview-with-dr-asefaw-tekeste-and-mohyedin-shengeb-about-medrek-forum/3083271.html

        As for my friend Emma, well, i don’t know what to say, so I won’t.

        saay

        • Abraham Hanibal

          Dear Saay,

          I’ve to say it is very childilsh and unproffesional of the meskerem website to refer to Saleh G. Johar as “Ali Salim”. This only shows the unseriousness of such websites, and the need for Eritreans not to give a chance to these websites to divide and install enmity among us. The only objective such irresponsible websites have is to derail and frustrate the struggle against the Isayas regime.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham,
            it is always the same. in fact if you see someone labeled, it is most probably the best one. dirty politicians l sake refuge of blaming and labeling the real once to satisfy their ego and confuse others.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Saay7,
          I don’t know why you want to connect those two events here. no one as far as I know talk against Medrek. again, I heard the interview although we all know who Shengeb is but still both of them didn’t say Medrek is for reforming. regarding Ethiopia, at lease they both say it wisely. Let’s see what they will do practically.

          I am wondering why you mention the name Emma. Just for your information he was always respecting your view and was giving his view without twisting any thing as most of you do. why don’t you leave him in peace? really if he do what you are doing I could have said the same to him.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Sal:
          በዲርማ ባህላም ዓልና ይኮን: Tinbit Wedi Afewerqi

          🙂

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Dearest AOsman,

        My following of Awate has been intermittent recently, but the first resignation posts I read yesterday were that of V.F.’s followed by Mr. Amanuel Hidrat’s. I didn’t know KS also manifested the same frustration. Although I understood V.F.’s frustration, I could not condone his implied expectation of Awate Admins to selectively block some participants because some of us don’t like how those behave. God forbid, should Awate start doing that sort of selective blocking, not only it would defy the whole point of giving everyone a chance to express their opinion within the guidelines, but also, that kind of decision would be so arbitrary that it would be impossible for any of us to examine its fairness at all.

        It is understandable for any of us to feel frustrated when we believe either we are not making a difference or when we believe that someone is being intentionally callous, but who exactly do we blame for that? It could perhaps be that we are not discussing the right issues at the right time with the right people, maybe we are not presenting our ideas in such a way others can understand and relate, maybe we are not being tactical on how we present ideas when it needs to be presented tactically, or maybe we are talking to individuals who are unwilling to change; for God knows, whatever reason.

        All said and done, we have to ask how Awate Admin fit in all this. My suggestion is that a) we should show gratitude to them for making this platform available to us for free; and b) we should deal with their individual opinions case by case bases. Let’s not forget that they are carrying the same burden and pride of being an Eritrean like the rest of you (I almost said ‘like the rest of us’ and become Abi’s punching bag forever).

        As far as the big issues like reform verses dismantle is concerned, Eritreans will do what Eritreans must do, but I hope that those feeling like giving up will have a little more courage for a little while more and continue without giving up on each other. I would like to see people thinking along the lines of “if this or that Eritrean is bad, he or she is my bad and no one else’s,” and handle it accordingly.
        Selam.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Fanti,

          as usual very nice comment. as for me I am not frustrated at all but what I learn is I am not doing what I should and do more opening my self. People were calling to stop as you saw, it was for my good and to stay safe. it was even lucky day that I was far from PFDJ controlled area in the same day. All things happen for good result…my lovely Ethiopian people keep saying “ሁሉም ነገር የሚሆነው ለበጎ ነው” . I was a bit angry with my self for arguing too much with people who are in democratic nations and are not feeling the suffering of there people.

    • Araya

      Dear Fanti, no worries, VF will be right back with different nickname.

  • PTS

    VF,
    Don’t be too harsh. This is not a government, this is not a house of representatives. This is a privately owned medium. The owner/owners have goals and they work to achieve their goals as they see it fit. You have the right to open your own website and run it the way you like it. Let’s not deny AT that right. People being here is a privilege and not an entitlement.
    Again, let’s not lose sight of the fact that this is not a tax-payer funded site. Many Eritreans don’t like the way Asmarino.com turned out to be with folks over there constantly trashing the Eritrean people. One of the donkeys over there recently said “By nature the so called eritrean people is slave”. The point is Asmarino, within the borders of the law, has the right to host such extreme individuals. The same goes everywhere.
    Give it up VF!

    • Nitricc

      Hi PTS; what is even more funny is that Ermias thinks AT makes money from the web site. And he advises AT to be smart about their business. How dumb one can be to think it that way. The truth is AT not only shelling their own money to run the web site but the headache and grief they get from thankless people like Mizan. One point that gets me about this coward is that he thinks he got cutting age up to date idea with the idea of reintegration with Ethiopia.
      The funny part is he change nike names while telling the same story. Wait and see, he will be right in with different nick.
      You watch.

      • PTS

        Nitric,
        Well let’s not be too harsh on V.F too. Sometimes it is ok to air strong voices, as he did. Otherwise boredom reigns. We are blessed with diversified websites catering all kinds of views. Every website has its own culture. For example, if you, Nitricc, were to move to Asmarino, you would be alien. If V.F was to move to Dehai(DMB), he would look out of place. If Dehaiers were to move to over here or Assenna, it would be unfamiliar territory for them. The culture of pro regime sites overlaps. A commenter from Dehai would feel right at home if he visits Tesfay news or madote for example. But the opposition culture is always different. Assenna forumers won’t blend with Awate forumers and vise versa. Why do you think Thai is?

    • Hope

      Good points PRS!
      But it depends on who we are dealing with!
      As far as the so called asamarino.com’s keidi-albo style ” Zette Bizei Keidi” mantra,I would not call it the way you did ,rather,a sell-out Mercenary Web based on it is written in there knowing who writes them and for what purpose!
      No excuse on this !
      If it is an Eritrean web interested in Eritrea’s Well Being,then it should act that way!

  • Abi

    Hi VF
    You should have kept this sermon for mount EnToTo.
    Mizan yemidefa nigigir!

  • House of Stark

    Hi V.F
    Now, you have lost you’r mojo like Chelsea. In any case, I never ever said I’m Eritrean, and there is nothing wrong being an Eritrean.

  • Ted

    Hi < Mizan, is that you once said 'this website doesn't look like opposition site anymore" what does your idea of opposition ? the one advocating Unity with Ethiopia to get to Kebessa to the helm of power? As strange as it sounds, It OK, there is nothing new earth shattering concept about it and If that is your cause as opposition, stay in coarse and defend it other wise we (you named names) will still be here to promote the rule of law and justice be with PFDJ or new entity accepted by Eritreans for Eritreans( not brewed and filtered somewhere else). Our people are in dire situation that the time is NOW to influence the Gov to reform and respect the rule of law. How it can be done is not that complicated that Eritreans(inside and out) in one voice echoed they need change how the country is Governed by PFDJ. Its our fragmentation and divisive agenda (outside Eritreans interest) caused the continuation of the suffering. Sooner and later change will come and it will be Eritrean solution. Eritreans are not different from the rest that if they don't get surprised when Syrians want the most brutal man to stay in power.

  • Nitricc

    Hi Ermias, how about your kids? it will be tile well spend with them than for you mamabling in here.
    what kind of father are you? lol the truth is you can even hold on to a nick name let alone you can discuss issues. get real and go play with kids.

  • Nitricc

    Greetings Aman-H: I used to think, living through it, you had earned a great deal of understanding Eritrea and Eritreans. In your generation disagreement was settled through a barrel of gun. Then when there were no guns, Eritreans improved from shooting and killing each other to throwing chairs across the a meeting hell to settle their differences. With time and now, most of the time Eritreans say and throw words don’t mean anything but nevertheless uncivilized. There few times we hold productive and meaningful discussions. It is all a process. It is all part of coming and learning together. It is all about cultivating and practicing the art of debate. Eritreans have come a long way.
    Eritreans never voted, never elected, never debuted, and never administrated by the rule of law. For me, despite all that, it is a great stride to get to this point. This web site, all the great participants and Aman-H have a lot to do with it. You can walkway but you are doing disservice to the young who trying to better in serving the Eritrean people. Let me live you with Munoz Molina.
    “I have spent a great deal of my life being part of minorities. Some of the people I admire the most in the world have had the courage to defend, against wind and tide, minority viewpoints in those frightening times when any disagreement with universal conformity is identified as treason.

    • Solomon Haile

      Selamat Nitric,

      Now hold on there bud! It is incorrect to say Eritreans never debated, never ruled by rule of law etc… Benefit of a doubt OR an exit strategy would be for me to ask “it is Sarcasm? Right? But a better alternative would be for me to humbly request of you to make a correction to your statements made to Aya Amanuel. I recall a time when you would treat.Awatistas with a sincere “I stand corrected.” There is a collective purpose towards being the change you seek. With simple “inkkann Habban” which literally means give and take where Eritreans resolved conflicts through civil debate under the Shade. Now tes tells me of the School of Thougt professor SaliH Johar Ghadi leads at Awate University. And MaHmud SaliH put a request of Tebeges to AT (And it will be more than likely a direct command to SJG’s Department) The reformer like yourself that MS is AND Abraham Hanibal we are beginning to learn about the empowerment of Eritreans inside Eritrea laying the foundations for the changed sought by all for Eritrea and Ethiopia.
      Which brings me to a pause, for your response by reminding myself to mobilize you in laying a foundation for building a bridge with Weyane.

      I remembered the late Eritrean Liberation Front Veteran Leader AHmed Nassir when Kokhob Selam recalled him under this article. I shook his hand outside an Eritrean gathering….

      tSAtSE

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Selamat Awatistas,

    It is very sad to see the frequent quarrel among forumers when it comes to how to bring a change to the better in Eritrea. I think any sensible opposition group understands the ultimate goal of the struggle is to remove the current authoritarian regime and replace it with one that rules by consttitution and respects the rights of its citizens. In evaluating how to pursue the struggle, we’ve to be realistic, practical and above all our plans should be centered around the people that is to be freed. Crying “weed-out” slogans without considering the objective situation, and method of realization is nothing but an empty bravado. At the same time, it is extreme naivety, if not insanity, to expect the current ruling clique that has been abusing the people for decades would suddenly change its mind and embrace reform. However, if there comes people from within the regime who also are victims of the clique and would start to challenge the regime towards more transparency and accountability; we in the opposition should be ready to stand by them in their goals.

    We’ve to understand that when people speak of reform, it is not for mere cosmetics but for full realization of rule of law and justice. This means those who’ve been committing crimes would be brought to justice and held accountable for their actions. It is more obvious that such kind of reform-movement would come from within the regime than imposed from outside; the role of the diaspora opposition would be to push for such reforms by increasing the pressure to the regime through political, diplomatic, economic, etc means.

    Here is my million dollar, but simple, question to the “weed-out” enthusiasts;

    How would you realise this grand mission from the diaspora without securing the support of the people inside the country?

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Abreham and Horizon,

      Horizon, if you don’t mind I would like to paste your respond to Abreham so in a sense we can see what the two options are we talking about and I will provide my input.

      Berhe

      Dear Kokhob Selam,
      Please ask those who advocate reform how they are going to do it.

      Are they going to erase the many crimes against the people, forget about the lost lives, the sufferings and tortures in the many prisons, dungeons, etc? What about the families and the livelihood of ordinary people destroyed? Are
      they going to deny that half a million young were lost to the country, and some of them mate their premature death, because the PFDJ system drove them out of their country? Who brought the economic and social destructions over the last two decades? Can they make the victims and victimizers live in peace side by side, without doing justice? Can they wash the crimes by removing one man or few people and by leaving intact the whole system that brought the disaster? How are they going to tell the wives and children, the where about of their
      husbands and fathers, why they died and what were their crimes? One can go on and on.

      The crimes are asking for explanations, and the murdered are pointing fingers to their murderers, who are in the PFDJ system, and they are demanding for justice. Only justice can absolve everybody, clean the land, bring peace
      and help the families of the victimized accept the fate of their loved ones. Otherwise, it is dehumanizing them for the second time and leaving their wounds open forever; and it is a recipe for instability.

      No one can reform evil, for dictatorship is evil. How can one change them by leaving power in their hands? The institutions and the beaurocracy should not be dismantled but left intact, and the people in these organizations
      made to serve the new system of government, power taken away from the major enablers (all who have served dictatorship from important positions) and given to democratic change seekers, criminals brought to the court of law, the PFDJ party banned and the PFDJ system dismantled. The ensuing multiparty system has enough space for anybody who wants to participate in politics. Otherwise, reforming the PFDJ system is equivalent to indirectly inviting another dictator after the death of DIA. Reforming the PFDJ is preparing the ground for more suffering and
      destitution for it cannot be reformed.

      Lastly, reform is another experimental medicine given to save a dying dictatorial regime. Directly and indirectly the message has always been the same, the enemy is lurking to undo the Eritrean independence, capture Eritrean territory and the likes; and only the PFDJ is the vanguard of everything Eritrean. Nothing could be far from the truth, as much as the so called enemy is concerned. Ethiopia would be mad to handle the Eritrean crisis by being part of the Eritrean problem. In actual fact, the fear of some Eritreans is exactly the opposite; that is if left free, Eritreans will approach Ethiopians on friendly terms. If they flock to Ethiopia even as they are shot at, what would it be like if the PFDJ was not around? They believe that the PFDJ is the only power that can deter this rapprochement, and many in the opposition support it, although they know very well that this animosity and confrontation is going to cost Eritrea a lot, as it has already done so over the last two decades.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Abreham, Horizon and everyone,

        I will also like to respond to Shum who responded to me on the same topic. I personally think we are not far of between the two camps, when one looks at the final outcome, that’s to have a democratically elected accountable government which respects of the “Rule of law”. I hope at the end, the issue is really of language and not substance…but first lets look the big elephant in the room, that’s change via force / military means or change by external forces that is using Ethiopian government to over throw the Eritrean government and replace/install it’s own selected regime.

        United Nations/Security Council:

        Before we talk what the Ethiopian government can or can not do, I think we need to look at the UN and the security council. Since WWII and the establishment of the UN and the security council there is NO country in on earth who were member of the UN, which is made to disappear or erased from the map of the earth without the willingness of the people reside inside the country and NOT by any foreign or external power. We have seen the former Yugoslavia disintegrate / break up, we have seen the former Soviet Union break up and the separation or Check Republic and Slovakia, or the separation of Sudan or Eritrea, which for the most part is done by the people who live in those countries. So in our case, specially now that we have the boarder ruling where we know our boarders (with Ethiopia), I think it’s impossible for the Ethiopian government or any other entity to erase Eritrea or parts of it from the face of the Earth. The only people who can do that, are Eritreans our selves. The best example one can make is the recent situation in Creamia where they people (may pressured/ supported by Russia) they chose to separate from Ukraine. Now you probably have seen the problems this is causing to Russia and Russia is Russia.

        What if Ethiopia invades Eritrea and install a puppet government?
        —————————————————————————————-
        I don’t speak for the Ethiopian government but one can never say never. But based on the last 15 years, Ethiopia policy has been deterrent factor towards the Eritrean government. They also indicated that, any action Ethiopia takes (at least PMMZ) is if it’s provoked and invaded, other than that it’s actions are always defensive, that is keeping Eritrea at bay. The Eritrean government knowing it’s full capability seems to understand the consequence and thus is holding it’s ground.

        Economic Benefit / Impact to Ethiopia
        —————————————————-
        Ethiopia being host to the AU, and a country who is trying to better itself with ambitious economic goals, the last thing it wants is to involve in another war with Eritrea. It has reached all the growth in can, using development aid or what have, now it needs Direct Foreign Investment if it needs to grow it’s economy. Which means it needs to have private investors to invest their capital so that they know they will get a return on their investment. In case you haven’t read it, it sold Eurobond for the first time few weeks ago and it raised 1 billion dollars. And I think there is another plan to do so again. So there is any indication of boarder WAR, invasion, or full scale war with Eritrea, I think it will be considered a HIGH risk for any investor to actually entertain of sending their money. The second thing, is from the perceived return Ethiopia will get by having access to the SEA that’s the only incentive at the moment, the loss probably out ways it’s benefits, so unless it’s for some sort of pride, I don’t think it will gain much.

        To be continued…..

        But for now, please look at the link below of the book called, from Dictator ship to Democracy by Gene Sharp from the Albert Aeinstein Institute.

        http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf

        Berhe

        • Solomon Haile

          Selamat Abraham, Horizon and Berhe Y,

          Of King’s Nights and Rooks… Slltiii! I suppose Abi and Eyob could jump in and convert a few more reformers to PFDJites…

          Horizon- To the East! I started earlier to reply to you with these words: “I would like to take a shot at answering your question/(s) which you have delegated Kokhob Selam to put forth to the reformers. Then Abraham obliged you and awate.com’s. forum with a response. Well perhaps Berhe Y can be mobilized like Nitric to build a Bridge with Ethiopia. So let’s see where this thread will take US THE AWATE REFORMERS.

          Shall we pluck one another as in….”DfAt kTsiEiQ kolo” it is understandable to provide ammunition to the front lines. In this case, Kokhob Selam and Nitrik “yHajmu alewuu mo'” we can perhaps speak on the logistics of HOW And WHAT Reform looks like. Let us not think of WHO or the actors for now, rather..let’s THINk of THE ACT itself as Abraham Hanibal has pointed out here.

          • Hope

            Good job Tsatse!
            Keep pushing forward and no more ” Marcia indietro!”!
            Tnx for correcting Gen Nitrric about our home-made Democracy and Byto and Shimagle based Conflict Resolution!”
            Let us reclaim our Eritreanism as the same SGJ said it!
            Yes to Genuine Reconciliation!
            No to hatred and old grudges!
            Time to wake!
            Btw is SGJ in Nairobi?
            Insha’Allah !

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,
            Thanks for asking. I am in Ella-Ero, the ambitious future leader of the opposition camp, a patriotic man called Andeberhan Hanjema, sent me to be rehabilitated in Ella-Ero. I am doing fine. I am also working hard campaigning among the d prisoners to elect Andeberhan Hanjema to be president of Eritrea after Isaias. The it will not be lonely any more, he will send more people to Ella Ero to give us company. It’s all fine and dandy.

        • Berhe Y

          Selam All,

          Sorry couldn’t get back on this sooner. Looks like lots of discussion but I am afraid we are not close in resolving (need to catch up). I think it’s important that we try to explain the terms used by both camps and see if there is anything that we need to do to bridge the gap, and I think whatever one position might be it needs to be realistic.

          One thing that I would like to emphasize is that, instead of trying to learn / use from others who went through the same or even learn from our own experiences, we tend to just explore and do things our way.

          Instead of framing our position pro reform / weed out (for lack of better word), I think if we frame it pro justice then I think we will find, if not mistaken a solution we are looking. I don’t think there is anyone who will dispute restoring justice is a bad thing no matter which side one is.

          For now let me continue from what I left of and see if I can explain what each camp wants.

          ERITREAN government supporters:
          —————
          If anyone tells you that Eritrea is in safe hands, IA is doing great job considering all the problems that he is facing, I think you need to just end the conversation. I know few people like that and I avoid talking to them about ERITREAN politics like a mouse would avoid a trap. Just waste of real time. One day I was talking to one of them, and I said, you Eritrea doesn’t have succession plan and it’s not ideal situation if anything happens to IA. He is human like the rest of us. He said to me, why are you always wish bad to IA (entay iKa kulu gieze Hmak TraH tHasbelu nezu senate). I just say to myself when IA is gone for good, you will hear it from me first.

          Eritreans pro reformers:
          ——————
          I think these group if you ask them, what do you mean by reforming the current system, and you get what Abreham Hamibal explained. Basically the establishment of the rule of low, return to democratically elected government BUT without Ethiopian involvement/HELP.

          Eritrean opposition using all means including military means:
          ———-
          I don’t think it is realistic for this option to be viable. Even if it is, it should be the last resort when all other options are totally exosted. In order an armed struggle to succeed, people need to have to identify a real enemy. It hardly works to solve internal problems/ civil war. We can look at few examples in our region (Liybia, Iraq,Syria, Yemen, Somalia) etc and non of them are able to find solutions using military means. And in our case in particular, I think the Eritrean youth, either they are completely turned off or that they can’t see any possible solution and are NOT willing to kill one of their own, who are also victims of the same regime. With the amount of refugees and possible recruits in both Sudan and Ethiopia, the opposition groups are NOT been able to convince them to join for the cause. Be it by religion, region or ethnic group, one of unintended advantages of IA oppression. There may be some who believe that the Christian from Kebesa are the main supporters and enablers of the regime, but there is hardly any evidence to suggest that they are spared from his wrath.

          Eritreans pro Weed-out:
          ————
          These group believe in peaceful resistance to remove the regime using peaceful means both inside the country and outside and using all peaceful means. So when referring weed-out, it doesn’t mean to dismantle all institutions and people who work in many government institutions but rather the institution who are setup to oppress the Eritrean people. For example, national service (e.g. Remove it all together or make it for men only) PFDJ offices abroad (shut them all and only keep embassy or consulate) in other words be a normal country and do what normal countries do.

          Berhe

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Berhe Y
            Good to see you back. I have an inkling ustaz Amanuel Hidrat will end his self-imposed mHkal. HaileTG is thought to be coming with a major announcement (hopefully, not to announce the formation of yet another organization…haha…).
            Back to your analytic comment, I would tend to agree with your take except the last one. Was it done deliberately, maybe re-framing it afresh? Because the authors of weed out and “dismantling” don’t restraint their means to a “peaceful” only, they call for “all means necessary”, with Amanuel Hidrat (dismantling) even going further in blessing the solicitation of Ethiopian help.
            PS: A deliberate attempt on my part to drag out Amanuel from his cave.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Mahmood,

            You see I think the four group is what I can come up with. If I take your suggestion, weed out group can be for the third group and the last group can be define as, democratic change using peaceful means, including any peaceful influence and assitance from peace loving entity.

            Berhe

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam BerheY
            OK, Now, let me join here.
            1. pro government (aka Issayas wey mot)
            2. Change through peaceful means (This is the category you are calling reformist. In fact they are not reformists of PFDJ; Abraham Hanibal does not belong here, but he is pragmatic and therefore, while replying to tes he said something like “if the reform looks like, then what the heck” (words mine). Then he listed what a reform should look like adding that if that happens why should not we support it. But he belongs to the “change by all means,” although he is very cautious of Ethiopian involvement. Anyway, this category is more apprehensive of the need of propping up or mobilizing domestic potential. It makes domestic change agents its target.
            3. Change by all means (Abraham branch/ጨንፈር ኣብራሃም) More of an Eritrean solution for Eritrean problem inclination.
            4. Change by all means (ጨንንፈር ስሞም ከይጥቀስ ብኣኽብሮት ዝሓተቱና ) Don’t worry about Ethiopia; they will take care of our border once they are done putting us in Asmara. Wayanay never gets it wrong! ንኺድ ጥራይ!!!
            5. Department of “I don’t care where and how it comes, let it just come, period.” This is led by Aosman (joke is intended here).
            6. ጨንፈር ለውጢ ብጸሎት (change through prayer): identified by clatters and chatters of IA death. This category believes change is possible onlu through the death of IA. They apparently do extra prayers (place and time kept secret).
            There may be other subsets left out, but all is intended as a prelude of the weekend, nothing of serious consideration…..

  • Dear Kokhob Selam,
    Please ask those who advocate reform how they are going to do it.

    Are they going to erase the many crimes against the people, forget about the lost lives, the sufferings and tortures in the many prisons, dungeons, etc? What about the families and the livelihood of ordinary people destroyed? Are
    they going to deny that half a million young were lost to the country, and some of them mate their premature death, because the PFDJ system drove them out of their country? Who brought the economic and social destructions over the last two decades? Can they make the victims and victimizers live in peace side by side, without doing justice? Can they wash the crimes by removing one man or few people and by leaving intact the whole system that brought the disaster? How are they going to tell the wives and children, the where about of their
    husbands and fathers, why they died and what were their crimes? One can go on and on.

    The crimes are asking for explanations, and the murdered are pointing fingers to their murderers, who are in the PFDJ system, and they are demanding for justice. Only justice can absolve everybody, clean the land, bring peace
    and help the families of the victimized accept the fate of their loved ones. Otherwise, it is dehumanizing them for the second time and leaving their wounds open forever; and it is a recipe for instability.

    No one can reform evil, for dictatorship is evil. How can one change them by leaving power in their hands? The institutions and the beaurocracy should not be dismantled but left intact, and the people in these organizations
    made to serve the new system of government, power taken away from the major enablers (all who have served dictatorship from important positions) and given to democratic change seekers, criminals brought to the court of law, the PFDJ party banned and the PFDJ system dismantled. The ensuing multiparty system has enough space for anybody who wants to participate in politics. Otherwise, reforming the PFDJ system is equivalent to indirectly inviting another dictator after the death of DIA. Reforming the PFDJ is preparing the ground for more suffering and
    destitution for it cannot be reformed.

    Lastly, reform is another experimental medicine given to save a dying dictatorial regime. Directly and indirectly the message has always been the same, the enemy is lurking to undo the Eritrean independence, capture Eritrean territory and the likes; and only the PFDJ is the vanguard of everything Eritrean. Nothing could be far from the truth, as much as the so called enemy is concerned. Ethiopia would be mad to handle the Eritrean crisis by being part of the Eritrean problem. In actual fact, the fear of some Eritreans is exactly the opposite; that is if left free, Eritreans will approach Ethiopians on friendly terms. If they flock to Ethiopia even as they are shot at, what would it be like if the PFDJ was not around? They believe that the PFDJ is the only power that can deter this rapprochement, and many in the opposition support it, although they know very well that this animosity and confrontation is going to cost Eritrea a lot, as it has already done so over the last two decades.

    • Solomon Haile

      Selamat Horizon,

      I will be glad to give it a shot.

      To The East my Brother To The East
      tSAtSE

  • Guest

    Selam VF,

    This forum has been nice to you despite you keep switching positions as much as nick names, and the reason is perhaps your articulated comments have no substance. Since you have no clue about Eritrea, your comments remain in a diet. You really have history drought which you may consider when you come back nex time. I don’t even know how many times you left and come back with different nick name. Anyways, I don’t think Amanuel needs your advice he is smart and respected veteran fighter.

    Bye biniam

  • belay

    Dear Khokob Selam,
    Please don’t let any body, any body,hurt you.

    Feel freeeere….in your heart forgive and forget.
    Your fight to help your people comes first than your friends. As time goes by they will respect you for it.
    God bless you all and love humanity.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear belay,

      you know the value and price of one fighter of truth against the those ants. in fact I will go beyond, I will start posting even in those hired sties. tesfa news, Meskerem etc. everywhere. then also Wegahta you will hear my poems. in fact I am coming more to the mass. check tesfa news I don’t know if they will delete it or not. see under “ንመሰል ብመተከልን ብቅንዕናን ምግጣም ”

      እቲ ባህርያት ማፍያነት ቅድሚ ኩሉ ህግደፍ ትሕሾ :: ኣሰራርሓ ድሕርቲ ጉጅለ ህግደፍ ዘይፈልጥ መንግስቲ ኣብ ዓለም የለን :: እቲ ምስ ካልኦት ዘጋጭዎ ነጥቢ ንሱ ኣይኮነን :: እቲ ጸገም ክኒኡን ልዕሊኡን እዩ :: ንውጹዕ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ቅድሚ ንህግደፍ ዘጋጥማ ዘሎ መጽፋዕቲ ዘገድሶ ኣብ ውሽጢ ብህግደፍ ዝወርዶ ዘሎ ኣደራዕ እዩ :: ብሕግን ስርዓትን ክትሓቶ ዘይትኽእል :- ኣሳርን ቀንጻልን: ጉጅለ ከምዚ ‘ ባ ገይሮምና ከምዚ እናበልካ ምቁዛም ከብዱ ኣይበልዖን እዩ :: ህዝቢ ኤረትራ ቆጽሊ ዘውደቀሉ ብሕግን ቅ ዋምን ዝምራሕ ንኹሉ ዘምእክል : ውርዙይ መሪሕነት ምስ ዝረክብ :- ምስ ምሉእ ዓለም ሰላም ከምዘጥሪ ካብ ዝፈልጥ ውዒሉ ሓዲሩ እዩ :: ደጊም ኩሉ ሽጣራታትን እንቅዓእንቅዓ ንብዓትን ኣውያትን ኣምሰሉ ጉጅለ ህግደፍ ብመንጽር ናይ ‘ቶም ኣብ ማእሰርቲ ዝባኽኑ ዘለውን ኣብ ባሕርን ምድረበዳን ዝጥፍኡ ዘለው ደቁን:- ንሱ ውን ዘሕልፎ ዘሎ ሓሰረ መከራን እዩ ዝሪኦ ::

      and more.

      • Solomon Haile

        Selamat Kokhob Selam,

        Al Hilal! Bear with me here. I just read V.F.’s “neQefieta” towards the entrepanuers (side joke l..laughing at my self I heard me say: “I can’t even spell the word.) of awate.com . “Exxomm sebbbbatt zrekbuo deyblommmm.” Hansabbb kndigelle zkhewn Hnguguu doO dudduE yewarrudomm” gmTtilll Abbillkaa, yaEni araboshtoU (or flipping the scrippt) YG HikayaoUuu be Hade accountant an DC yewarazyeleyyy.” Quid Pro Quo — TiT for Tat the Giants lost on Monday night. ASmann bear now…

        To The East my Brothers To The East.
        tSAtSE

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Solomon,
          it is difficult for you and your boss to challenge heroes. try to be practical. Things are clearer than you thought.

          • Solomon Haile

            Selamat KS,
            Hey man I am not upset that you stood me up. “KeTiquE tebegise alekhu ilka. Ane deA Iddey idkka ill nna meqalaTefnayo.” Eske Barentu geTsna nwwfert. Anne kemmzfelTo, ms goyTayy zefaleTkukha aymeslennin. Ente iti baliggayy beAl belaroba and sheQueT yynnegd yhllu. Itta Qenddi msslla ixia zeyniTiQem: “zTeHana TiHinensi beAleMariam unbalanced.” tSAtSE

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Sele,
            I am trying to understand what you have written. can you put it properly? translate it or use our alphabet. I hope you are not playing the game of PFDJ criminals game – those days you have corrupted your mind.

  • tes

    Dear Awatistas,

    The Medrek group, which are equivalent to Ginbot 7 from Ethiopia, those who want to keep dictator’s message alive were in Kenya doing what PFDJ was doing. Here is some news from Rubaanseba featured at meshrefet net.

    Nairobi Seminar Concluded,

    The report in Arabic by Mohamad Taha Tawakal in Addis Ababa. He stated that Saleh Gadi was stuck in Addis for two days and was able to attend the last day and that was because Dr. Andeberhan didn’t want him to attend. When Saleh Gadi attended the meeting he asked Medrek to apologize to him. The first day was introductions, second for papers, third day for farewell. Kedan and Medrek agreed to form a consultant committee, two fromeach side, Beshir Isack and Mohamad Sefer from Kidan and Dr. Asefaw and other from Medrek. Delegations left Nairobi back to their homes.

    I hope SGJ will come with his article as soon as possible to dismiss the ill-agenda of these mercenaries of PFDJ.

    tes

    • Ayneta

      Dea tes;
      If they are mercenaries as you claim they are, why did SGJ attend the meeting?

  • Solomon Haile

    Selamat KS, VF and Aya MH,

    That is the nature of the Beast. You guys advocate for the destruction of PFDJ at any cost. Even at the cost of disrespecting and riding off the history and pride and dignity of Eritreans and the galant history of nearly 65 thousand Eritrean heroes, tens of thousands war disabled Veterans and their immediate as well as extended family members. V.F. Is right when she speaks of “fear of Ethiopia.” Ethiopians(not all)are as vindictive as any one else.They have national pride as well, which they can elevate even more by humiliaing that tiny nation up North that despite their Ethiopia’s historical stature, diplomatic prowess, wealth, largest and mechanized armed forces and their backers, was able to successfully defeat them and gain its Eritrean Independence. This fear made the PFDJ and its followers embark on a very wrong path with Eritrean INTERNAL MATTERS. Ordinary Eritrean who happen to be PFDJ members and or investors in the PFDJ dominated/supported, as well as the “silent majority” Eritrean citizens who longed for Eritrean Independence from Ethiopia – having vivid memories of the Derg atrocities (Wekki Duba, SheEb, Ona etc..) factored in this WEIGHT and choosing NOT to war with Ethiopia and MORE IMPORTANTLY not to ignite a civil war amongst Eritreans gave the GoE an extension on their transitional governing and waited patiently for the FREEDOM FIGHTERS to GET IT RIGHT AND DELIVER THE LIBERTY PROMISED with the FREED LAND. This does not necessarily state that the leadership tried with honesty or sincerity to get back on the right path.

    The vocal Eritreans advocating for human rights and rule of law PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN KEEPING THE LIBERTY TORCH LIT AND HOLDING THE PFDJ LEADERSHIP FROM MAKING MORE BLUNDERS AND IRREVERSIBLE ERRORS. At times they pushed GoE and the PFDJ party to DO RIGHT THING SOONER THAN LATER as evidenced by the growing number of citizens calling for JUSTICE, Rule of Law, and democratic governance as well as an END TO DICTATORSHIP IN ERITREA. The vocal Eritreans who kept the true principles of the Eritrean Revolution, starting with SaliH Younus’ “TwgaHmo” and few individuals played their role to raise the conciousness of the Erutrean citizen to the level it is Tiday. And from Day One ALL ERITREANS (the silent and vocal) were unified and one hundred percent behind them. The GoE and the PFDJ knew this and slowed down the velocity by MEDIA BLACK OUT IN ERITREA because they desired–at least the Galant Tegadelty of both the EPLF and ELF(though significantly lower percentage)– a chance to realize Eritrean Liberty by Eritreans. If you factor in vindictiveness and national pride of any nation, even if the best individual liberty and prosperity is ushered to Eritreans by a very generous Ethiopia triumphantly by Weyane by humiliating ShaRbia (really All Eritreans for their ungrateful disrespect of mama Ethiopia) Eritreans will never feel free and will have to jump at every whim of the mighty South. Now some Eritreans may feel vindication and evened the score for the tragedy of “WugiE HidHid” BUT deep in their hearts would they truly feel whole at the cost or risk of Eritrean sovereignty and Eritrean Liberty. It is best to feel victorious for contributing to Eritreans standing up for their rights and the rule of law and be maleable now to reconcile and heal the wounds they may have suffered by their brother by DISCARDING vindictiveness that is counterproductive to THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THEMSELVES AND. THEIR BELOVED ERITREAN PEOPLE.

    Help remove the Ethiopian Threat by not dancing to the Weyane tunes, then all the Eritrean David’s and Nitric will push even harder for their God given individual rights in Eritrea. I for one will head Betewededs’ fifty years prescription on the war for liberty in Eritrea by sacrificing and advocating patiently until daw wit and Nitric join full force than push for the Weyane strategy risk all Eritreans efforts this century by leaving at the mercy of Weyan’s Ethiopia. I will continue with more..through editing.. to address all three KS, VF and Aya Amanuel.. Hopefully I will be even more coherent…tSATSE

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Sele,

      you said “You guys advocate for the destruction of PFDJ at any cost.” I am sorry for you for not watching how true peace and freedom fighters are doing. if you know you will not say so. if it is “at any cost |”I swear and swear, PFDJ could have gone decades back. and now,do you say at any cost? I am a Muslim and I am swearing WELAAHI with no time PFDJ can be deleted from history. any cost? that is not good and don’t ever say so. at any cost means at the cost of the people and nation and no single Eritrean will work for that. if so I am here and ISIS is ready now, now to support me full and burn the wet and dry – I am right around them. do you like that? don’t ever repeat that again, you will never come to Eritrea to save our people my friend – coming to dance and show up to Asmara and coming to defend against fire are two different things. be nice and never repeat to me this “at any cost”. why someone has to destroy a nation just to burn those few dogs? why?

      fighters have principle and we are genuine Eritreans who didn’t allow to contaminate our Ethical culture by PFDJ fake freedom and Awet N’hafash (cheaters slogan). now you can respect your self as you use to do instead of barking from back against the people who protest and reject polluted politics. if you wont them to talk to you and discuss with you, you need to know how but again not at any cost ጥልቁይ.

  • belay

    Dear V.F,
    Please remember that SAAY is one of the victims of IA’s PFDJ rule.U know where his father? and other family members are.they in Prison in As mara?
    has he a right like yourself to air his ideas? Can his ideas change any thing?
    Or your ideas for that matter.The power is in the mass.
    remember that you are not here to feel comfortable, you are dealing other minds, proof them wrong if you can with respect.Even to NITRIC.
    Don’t get me wrong, some times I don’t feel comfortable with SAAY’S comments but tough, it is my problem not his.
    U can’t blame SAAY for the high landers current problems ? , where are his family?
    With respect.

  • Ayneta

    Hope:

    It is Ayneta bTW ;). I have no doubt Amanuel and Kokhobay have nothing but best intentions about Eritrea just like you and me. Give them the same courtesy that you have given yourself as Eritrea’s champion. I dont know Kokhebay that long, but I have known Amanuel H for some time now and the last thing he is is Weyane sycophant. As far as I can tell, his intentions are genuine geared to liberate the people from the atrocities committed by PFDJ.

    About the ELF-EPLF , I think it will go on as long as the people from both fronts are alive. It is a deeply rooted issue with wider implications. One thing remains true: EPLF veterans support EPLF and the same for ELF no matter what. It is just ingrained in them and they wont change.

    But I refuse this problem to define our future. The future should belong to those who have cleared their mind and heart about such divisive and senseless issue. If it was my choice, I would thank both fronts for their contribution and start afresh all the way. It is in our best interest not to dichotomize our problems in such a manner. We dont need EPLF or ELF to have a secure and prosperous Eritrea.. On the contrary, both are liabilities than assets.

    • Hope

      Thank you again Ayneta!
      I was trying to respect you like your Mom but I realized that she calls you Ayneta rather than your original one,Aynom!
      Since I noticed your great articulation ,I thought U could write an Article on Reconcilation!
      Try it; rather , do it!

  • Nitricc

    Hi Mizan; the web site is fine. I am greatful they even gave you to utter your worthless point. You are one of dead beat forumer. Get this this web site will never become your Weyane azz kising one. You are such a loser. You. Stop mentioning Ted, he is beyond his league. You can’t tigh his shoe let alone talking about him. His is a man reason while you are a man of Gossip.

    • Ayneta

      Nitricc:
      I will tell you straight in a language that you can understand. It seems you dont only know your weakness but also your strength.

      If you blame V.F (Mizan) for being a Weyane azz kisser ,by the same logic, that makes you PFDJ azz kisser. The question is: which azz is nastier? Since PFDJ =IA and IA right now is quite ailed, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure the answer to the question.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Ayneta, do you have a reading or comprehending a sentence? You blame or accuse someone if that person is denying what you have labeled to him or her. This creature, Mizan,VF,Binyam, Bahgi, Ermias Mizan2 etc came out declared his allegiance to weyane and openly called for integration Eritrea with Tigray. He even bragged he has convinced his religious tags friends the idea of integration. It is Scary an idea that comes from a religious tag. I even told VF, don’t waste your time, go play with your kids, that will be time well spend than wasting your time trying to revive an idea that was dead for 60 years.
        Let me give you some advice, please read and understand before you press the send button.

        • Ayneta

          Nitricc:
          The issue is not what Mizan said but how you tried to characterize Mizan, absolutely classless. Whatever view Mizan has, it is hers and only hers. You can criticize her stand , refute her assumptions. It is called constructive criticism. But you have made it your business to character assassinate anyone who doesn’t conform with your interpretation of reality. You use classless, cheap, derogatory words and phrases which are way below the level of commentary in this forum. But then I dont know what kind of person you are in real life. Perhaps you are delivering yourself to the forum exactly the way you are in person. Some people are just born to be vulgar!

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Amanuel,

    when people talk repeatedly the word stays in the space and makes someone in doubt Lol. IA fabricate things and let his followers repeat it million times till he even become convinced. ሓሶት ክደጋገም እንከሎ እቲ ድግግም ተደጋጊሙ ሓቂ ክመስል እዩ ዝቀራረብ:-ክሳብ ንባሃሊኡ ዘእምን ::

    Let’s agree for a moment reformers are fighting for change, let us just say that for now. Let’s just open the way and hear why reforming is better. Saay7, said “The only mandate we have is to stop the suffering of the Eritrean people WITHOUT adding more unpredictable and far, far, far worse suffering.” is real change far than reforming? how do you measure time and results? give us your say. I have my own but I want to hear from you as teacher and as wiser than I do.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Kokhobay,

      I will get back to you this evening.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Kokob; Till Aman-H gets you let me elaborate what I think it is. When we say reform is the best way out, we are saying it is the safest exit there is! For the situations we are in. what do mean by safest? We mean no out side interventions, particularly the WEYANE!
      On the other hand when you guys keep saying WEED-OUT, in which you guys mistook a slogan to mean a strategy but when you guys say weed-out, what you really are saying is, you need and want the WEYANE to be in our business. You, Kokhob, yourself made it known your love and desire for weyane; ask Aman-H, he is huge on the Weyane gangs. Take Semere; he goes out of his way in quoting the dead midget day and night. What do you all guys have in common? You guessed it, you all are WEYANE LOVERS. It is god given right to love anyone you want but what we all asking you is that please speak for your self.
      So, the deepest part of the argument between reform and weed-out is simply put, we are saying let’s us do it our selves and you guys want WEYNE to muddle in our affairs; that is all we are arguing about.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Nitricc,
        thank you sir, thank you for your reply. I read it all. please also read what the man of principle will say about it.

      • Ayneta

        Nitricc:
        As far as I can tell, neither Amanuel nor Kokheb selam are weyane the way you tried to portray them. In fact I can attest that they are more nationalistic than you claim to be. Not only did they fought for their country, they are still showing their love for the people and the country through different ways , one of them debating on what they see is the right way for the future. Mind you, I am not saying their respective vies are correct, but they are saying it and it is up to the other side to disprove them wrong. But dubbing anyone who opposes PFDJ as weyane is a huge discredit to these people. Just like you are defending PFDJ, they also have the same right to attack PFDJ they way they deem fit, as long as they do it in a civil, non-offensive and constructive way.

        Honestly, in your own admission the other day, you said you never lived in Eritrea, yet you have the guts to call these people who spent part of their years in the armed struggle and still fighting for the cause weyane. I dont know what logic you use to reach at this conclusion.

        Speaking of weyane, it was PFDJ who befriended with them to defeat ELF. PFDJ sought their help to weed our ELF from the field. Second, PFDJ is the one who established close ties with weyane to further the cause and defeat the Derg, till things fell apart in 1998. PFDJ invited Meles Zenawi to come to Eritrea and deliver a conciliatory speech. The people had no input in all of this. And now, when things have taken a different direction, PFDJ calls anyone it wants to blackmail Weyana without realizing that it was PFDJ who told the Eritrea people to love and respect weyane. So Nitricc, before you label anyone who has some negative view of the PFDJ as weyane, please educate yourself about the history of EPLF/PFDJ and Weyane.

        • Nitricc

          “As far as I can tell, neither Amanuel nor Kokheb selam are weyane the way you tried to portray them”
          Hi Ayneta, please don’t distort my comment to your liking. I didn’t not say Aman-H and Kokhob are Weyane; I said weyane sympathizers, weyane lovers. If you can’t read what is written, then ask we can help you.
          Kokhob came out said he loves Ethiopia no less than Eritrea. He glorifies TPLF to no end, the same TPLF who can’t even feed the people of Tigray.
          Aman-H is huge Weyane sympathizer and his wish is to work with Ethiopia in general and with Tigryans in particular.
          Ask them if I am not telling you the truth.
          VF thinks he has the idea that earth shuttering; the Truth is it was said in the 50 and 60 and he keeps saying the same thing. Worst, he thinks Eritreans should side with Tigryans so they can loot Ethiopia. Again ask him.
          Listen, all I am saying is, Eritrea is not ready to work with anyone. We have a lot work within ourselves before we can do anything with anyone. Do you get it at all?
          The rest of your take is just outdated. I don’t have to set a foot to know about things. I probably know more about Eritrea than you.

          • Ayneta

            Nittric:

            You probably know more about Eritrea than I do. We are not here to win over who knows more. One thing is true though: I was born and raised in Eritrea and you never lived there. 😉

            Ethiopia is our neighbor and it will probably for eternity just like the Sudan and Djibouti. A good friendship will ultimately benefit both countries. Eritrean cant prosper in isolation. Ethiopia’s problems will always spin over to Eritrea. In that regard a good working relationship between the two countries is a necessary condition for SUSTAINABLE( please stress sustainable) development of each country. So one may opt to reach to Ethiopia with such spirit. That does not make one Weyane sycophant as you like to vehemently portray.

            On the other hand, as you suggested in your thread, one may argue we are not ready for that kind of collaboration at this junction in time. It is a plausible opinion as long as you come up with a convincing justification. But there is no need for name calling, character assassination, thrash talking please.

            On a similar note, how do you think ”we work within ourselves before we do anything with anyone”?

    • Ayneta

      Kokheb selam;
      I think what Saay meant is we should be careful not to take the suffering to another level by potentially creating a vacuum where things can get messy beyond repair. I think he has some countries like Libya in mind when he wrote it. Given the current set of realities, it is not implausible to suggest that eliminating IA without thinking what might replace him can have a perpetual catastrophic consequences. I dont deny the fact that IA created the reality to suite his agenda, but we should be careful not to ‘throw fuel to the fire’. Unfortunately, we are the ones who should clean the mess he has created, for the sake of our own future. In the face of a potential vacuum created when IA is gone , due to natural death or eliminated by force, our first priority should be to establish peace and stability. The latter should take precedence over everything.

      The question whether PFDJ should be reformed or altogether dismantled is a very practical one, with far reaching implication for the future. It is good that we are talking about it now. It is interesting what Amanuel H. and Saay, you and others are doing. It should be encouraged. But we shouldn’t lose our focus. We should debate not for the sake of wining it, but rather to create consensus and understanding.

      • Kokhob Selam

        yes sir,
        that was nice from you. but it seems to me there are points that should be clarified more. I know you are for peace and freedom. I know you are practical man. But some are more armed with their long experience and knowledge again with the edge as elders even some years only it make them wise thinking always for better for every body. I love the wisdom of the man. let us wait to hear from him.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Kokhobay,

      I will not answer your question at this point and I hope you will not be disappointed. But instead I will give my final remark about this forum and what was my hope when this forum was started.

      For years (a) I was hoping this forum will develop and mature as a platform for narrowing our differences and create a conducive political environment for reconciliation (b) I was hoping this forum will follow a debate format for purposes of teaching and learning each other (c) I was hoping this forum will be an exemplary of self-discipline citizen who debate with respect and humility irrespective their difference (d) I was hoping this forum will be transformative for social and political change.

      To my disappointment, instead it becomes (a) a forum of mud slugging and blackmailing among citizens (b) it becomes conducive for polarization (all kind of polarization by the way) (c) it becomes the fertilizing ground for the alien culture of the regime in Asmara ( a culture of intimidation and disrespect). Therefore I am withdrawing from this forum to maintain my honor and integrity. However I will continue to contribute articles as usual.

      regards

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Amanuel,
        It is strange, I was going to post that I am having some uncertain information and you came.
        there are calls coming to me as such from my trustful comrades.I in fact didn’t lose my hope and still keep going. SGL has special place in my heart and I trust him and all his works. some hours back I have been called to stop every view I have here. before I use to get such massages and virus attacks from PFDJ followers, but now from my own friends – they are requesting me to stop. any how you should not worry about me at all.

        awate team and the site didn’t get from me a cent but never stopped my work here. my book is the only thing I will offer them for serving me and the entire nation. within few days I will call them.

        I may have to stop posting my views till things are clear. I will read your articles and all other articles. if I don’t come here I will be in contact with you directly. hopefully SGL will see what is going on.

        • Ayneta

          Kokhob selam and Amanuel H.

          It seems the issue you are talking about is more serious and very personal to you than it looks for most of us who come to Awate for information sharing. It appears there is more serious beef going on with some of the prominent writers at this forum which most of us have no much idea about. It looks like a long standing skirmish.

          I hope you two will remain active in this forum. The form has of late been penetrated by some people whose ulterior motive is either to embellish PFDJ or reinstate the old Ethiopianism, but it is my sincere hope that you will still be around and actively contribute. The last thing we want is possible rift between us. That wont serve anyone except the shared enemy.

        • tes

          Dear Kokhob Selam,

          Haha, do not be afraid. War will be declared openly against those reformers. I assure you no youth will support these killers mercenaries. Do not get disappointed. Equally like PFDJ the reformers are guilty. I see now Eritrea going into civil war. Take a note here.

          tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,
            you force me to come back to you. tes, if you notice my post, I have said that I am getting massages and calls to stop from my comrades. I didn’t stop because I am afraid from PFDJ have been trying for long. that will not make me afraid. Remember, when your comrade call you to stop you must learn something wrong that will affect your struggle is happening somewhere.

            Yes, ended all what Amanuel said is correct and that is what they are telling me. I don’t have to damage the journey just to reply to those unpractical people. you have seen how many times they twisted my view.

            will I afraid today when I am almost free from them? didn’t I post and said what ever I feel is correct here when I was under them?

            Civil war? No my young brother. why do you think we went through all those difficult years, that was not to see civil war. slowly but sure, we few my go but the mass should not kill each other. and sure those who keep barking including those reformists will not go to Eritrea an fight to defend their stand or PFDJ. let me assure you this. PFDJ era is going to end through correct way of struggle not to come back again. Ah, Tes see you let me post and say a lot. bye for now.

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            I assure you and I am not worried but there will be civil war in Eritrea soon. This is what the development shows. The reformers are afraid of it and they will not be free from it. Did I get disappointed? No my friend, this is how a struggle against dictators end. And for sure PFDJ will be weeded-out. The civil war will be against those who are trying to preserve PFDJ and the youth.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,
            I want you to be a bit slow on this, just wait let us see what is going on. you better stop for a moment. do you read the poem below ? ግደፎም ኣብ ሓደ ይተኣከቡ :: ግን እዞም ኣብ’ ዚ ሃተፍ ዝብሉ ዘለው ኮ የለውን ::

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Haha, to be slow from what? From not airing for what I am observing? I am telling you very soon a civil war will be open.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            HI tes, i checked Paris’s time and conformed. Slow it down. You should write any article this time around. You are making a fool of your self.

          • Mesfin

            Good day tes!

            Are you sleeping, dreaming? Wake up! There is nothing like that. Or, you might be PFDJ agent. What proof do you have to speculate Civil War? Even the reformist are not afraid of civil war, but Ethiopia occupying Eritrea.

            To AH, KS, Ayeta, and V.F, please don’t waste your time responding to Nitricc, hope, and alike. Unlike Saay, these three don’t have any positive thing to contribute to the forum participants. Most of their comments are one or two sentences and it has WEYANE word four of five times in it.

            Regards
            Mesfin.

          • Hope

            Dear Tes:
            ……and the Commander-In-Chief of the Civil War will be,who now?
            Prof Tes from Paris?
            Well,be careful of what you say and how U stuff!
            We had enough of Civil War!’the EPRP can be weeded out surgically without Civil War if we get organized in the right way with the right and Strong Leadership,which we have failed to do so miserably!
            Wishing and declaring a Civil War is a sign of wickedness ,weakness and desperation!

      • Hope

        Selam Ustaz Aman:
        Good points;and we might all agree in Principle for the most part with your points!
        But let us practise what we preach coz at times,you are on the fore front to demonize any thing that has to do with EPLF or PFDJ or ,for that matter,any one that disagrees with you!
        That is not the way to for Rapproachment and Reconciliation!
        At times, you are on record contradicting what you preach!
        It is ok to belittle the likes of Nittric and Hope but it is absurd to do so with people like Vet Mahmud Salih!
        You even label SAAY as a PFDJ Reformist!
        Pleade,teach first your students – the likes of KX!
        In the event your points are well taken!
        But never forget the nature of ERITREAN Politcal Culture,which will take time to improve!

      • tes

        Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

        Remember no youth is with those reformers. Keep on your spirit and stay to expose. But I would like to advice you not to make it an academic debate.

        We the youth are the one we suffered by these PFDJ and x-PFDJ and pro PFDJ members. Now thinking to reform PFDJ is nothing but hijacking our struggle. We are ready to go into war, an open war. No reformer will stand tall. I assure you.

        Stay therefore and keep your political fight against these mercenaries.

        tes

  • Kokhob Selam

    ….. ጋሻና ምስ ዋልታ …….

    “ሰሚዕኪ ዶ ህግደፍ እንታይ ከምዝበሉ :-
    ንፍጹም ጥፍኣትኪ ከመይ ከምተላዕሉ :-
    ብሓገዝ ወያኔ ውድብ ተተኺሉ :-
    ደገፍኪ ሃብና ጽገና ንዝብሉ :-”

    “ወይ ደቀይ!
    ቅድሚኹም ይስጠሓኒ ንዑና ንዑና:-
    ተመለሱ ገዛኹም ተጸንበሩ ምሳና:-
    ንሓና ንሕሸኩም ከፋእና ጸበቅና:-
    እሱራት ንፈትሕ ነተግብር ቅዋምና::”

    ክብላ ጀሚረን እየን ህኩያት ምስ ከዳዕ :-
    መሪጸን መገደን ብሓፋሽ ምጥላዕ :-
    ጸግን ጸጋግኖ ጠቅዕ ጠቃቅዕ :-
    ኣብ ፍርዲ ከይቀርባ ጉደን ከይቅላዕ ::

    እሞ ምስ መን ደጊም ምስ መን ክምክታ:-
    መዓስ ከምናይ ቀደም ኣባልዓ ጣይታ :-
    ኢድና ዘርጊሑ እዩ ጋሻና ምስ ዋልታ:-
    ህግደፍ ትጠፍእ ካብ ሱር መሰረታ ::

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Dear Hope,

    First, I don’t understand why you’ve to write three replies to my single comment to you. Anyway, again I cannot say anything but ask you to revisit your reply to Haile Zeru, and examine it, so that you may understand why any economic incentive to the Eritrean regime; call it EPRP, or PFDJ-clique, is not in the interest of the Eritrean people.

    Yes, Eritrea, or the Eritrean people, is not the same as the PFDJ organization. But unfortunately, Hope, it is the PFDJ that is controlling and running(killing) the country, and the track record of this regime is nothing but dismal.

    And you see Hope, after listing all those unforgivable crimes by what you call the PFDJ or EPRP-leadership; you wrote: “I still credit him though for his positive contribution!” Oh my, I can’t believe your degree of hypocrisy.

    ምግዳፍካ ይሓይሽ ንስኻስ መዳኸሚ ኢኻ ሰብካ!

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Dear Hope,

    If you really believe in all the gross accusations on the PFDJ-regime that you’ve listed above; then my simple question to you is how on earth could you passionately argue for the so-called EU-funds to this regime? Please compare what you’ve listed of violations and transgressions of the regime with your idea of arguing for the enhancement of the economic arm of the regime. How do these two contradicting views of yours match together? Or are you here simply to confuse some unsuspecting souls?

  • AOsman

    Dear Solomon,

    I read BY’s comment, since you are angry, you are not giving him the benefit of doubt. We have to tolerate people not liking ELF or EPLF and can still have a good wishes for Eritrea.

    His view is not new, I have heard it before while leaving in Eritrea and the young generation who have lived under the oppression of PFDJ. They hate the organization and at times they will bundle EPLF or the whole Gedli to mean those who are ruling, but it does not mean they have no love for Eritrea.

    You need to chilax.

    Regards
    AOsman

    • Solomon Haile

      Selamat AOsman,

      I think the Chilaxing is over… “Time to make the donuts” for me.

      Time will expose the significant differences.

      You see AO, tes fits your description of disliking anything Ghedli because the youth have suffered under the authoritative and harsh rule the EPLF brought with them into the Independent towns and cities. In the villages. TOR are Tor and everyone just stayed out of the way…,

      Off to Trabajo…

      To the East my Brother!
      tSAtSE

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Guest,

    You were wayane before you eject ELF riding on the military prowse of Tplf. You were Tplf before your boss quarrel with Tplf leadership and sent our people to a senseless bloody war. You will be pfdj until its political currency devaluated to un redeemable stage and get courage and stomach to speak with real Eritreans who do not disguise behind pen name. Get the Eritrean courage to speak with real Eritreans who have real courage who speak without fear of retribution and intimidation. You do not have the courage and stamina to stand against the oppression of Eritrean people. You do not have the courage to speak about the predicament of our youth. In short you are the symbol of every evil that is befalling to the Eritrean people. Period.

  • saay7

    Selamat Awatistas:

    I have to start a new thread here; what has been posted in the last 2 days is awatistas occasional primal scream so I hope kulukum fokislkum?:) The subject I want to discuss is the video that was published by WegaHta about Eritrean prisoners in Adi Abeyto. What better place to discuss than in an article about Bitweded–a man languishing in a different prison for nearly two decades: as long as he struggled to set Eritrea independent from unjust rule.

    A few months ago, the Freedom Friday movement video-taped Eritrean families dropping food for their imprisoned loved ones in Adi Abeyto. The images, recorded with low-res smart phones, were fuzzy. The shots were taken from a perspective of a visitor. They were shot from a long distance. And there was no narration. Therefore, nobody discussed them: it was A for effort; D for results.

    This video published by WegaHta/Sallina. The images are hi-resolution and recorded with a camcorder. Clearly, the shots–out in the courtyard, inside the prisons–were taken by a guard. The narration is superb, interspersed with with first-person stories. The narrator names names: of the prison wardens, the interrogators, the names of the cells, the categorization of the inprisoned. The images are so good that you can actually make out the individuals–there will be a couple of hard-to-take shots for the families of the individual who was being handcuffed using 19th century technology. And there is one stunning shot of a kid who is looking straight at the cameraman: either because he is totally amazed that he is actually being recorded or, as the narrator says, nearly all the prisoners now have either physical or mental ailment.

    My theory is: the guard who recorded this is a member of DeMHT (TPDM, the Tigray Peoples Democratic Movement housed in Eritrea) which, according to Molla Asghedom was an extension of Eritrean security system while according to him it was working closely with the Ethiopian government.

    So there you have it. The video is a documentary of the Isaias Gangs extreme cruelty towards our youth, exposed by the Isaias Gang’s criminal incompetence. Please stop criminalizing EPLF or PFDJ: this is, as the narrator says, Gujile Isaias. The Isaias Clique which can be identified by two things: unspeakable cruelty, and extreme arrogance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1UpyxQ9yo&sns=em

    saay

    • Haile Zeru

      Hi SAAY
      What are Issayas , PFDJ believers going to say about this kind of treatment of another human being?
      The cult members will find any excuses, as usual. Their mind is locked shut.
      For those who say PFDJ can be reformed, What part of these system do they want to keep and which part to discard?
      I like to metion also Kokeb Selam the great should make the ordering reference of his book available. I want to have a copy as soon as it is out of print.
      Regards,

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Haile Z.,

        These are all attempt to rescue PFDJ by throwing all the evil acts of the party to the man at the helm rather to the system and the enforcers that are running the system. What political irony it is to keep the system at fault.

        Regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Hope

          Ayte Aman:
          Please drop this Meyaphysics!
          It is easier to deal with the Architect and the Technocrat rather than talking mambo -jumbo!
          Note or Himt:
          Every PFDJ Mmember and the Members of its Security Apparatus will prove to you that each and every small details are executed by One Person!
          The members of the ” System” have no clue what they are doing!
          Things are relative and you can call it a System or Ideology but it is run SOLO by one man!
          Listen to SAAY’s Testimony in the YouTube !
          You cannot be more or a better Catholic than the Pope!
          Let us drop this nonessential Technical English Language Mambo-jumbo!
          Let us focus on debating about the fastest and “safest”way of getting rid of the Technocrat and the System will collapse and the Revised and Inclusive Constitution will take care of the rest!
          But a United,coordinated and Strong Piblic Mobilization through a Strong Leafership is needed to counter the most organized and Strong Security Apparatus!
          Crying and empty bravado ain’t going to do the job!
          It needs a Gut and Courage!
          Why have we failed that sacred and Precious Nation?

          Cyber Politics and Being Cyber Experts is not enough!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hope,
            so saay know everything for you. But not for me. If you want to worship on his political ideology you could do so. Do not repeat to tell me to worship him. Amanuel is not hope and saay is not my pope.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,

            “ፈላጢኻ እዩ ዘኽብረካ ” ዝብል ዘረባ ወራዙ ዶ ኣይሰማዕካን ኢኻ? ክቡር ሓው ኣይትሓዘሉ :: እንታይ በለ “Crying and empty bravado ain’t going to do the job!It needs a Gut and Courage! ” መዓስ ፈሊጥካ ብሓዊ ዝተፈተንካ ብጻይ ጀጋኑ ኣናብስ ምዃንካ ::

            እቲ ጽቡቕ ምስ ቶም ማእዘኖም ከይሰሓቱ ኣብ ‘ ዚ ዕድመ ውን ነቲ ብንእሰነትካ ዘርኣኻዮ ነቅ ዘይብል መርገጽ ሓቂ – ብዝለዓለ ደረጃ ከተምህረሉ ምኽኣልካ እዩ ::በርትዕ :- ኣብ ጎንኻ ኣለና !

          • Hope

            Dear Mr, Kx,the Toothless Avenger and the Unstable!
            Sayterut Abiet Saylikut wediet!
            No time to respond to your nonsense buddy!
            Peace be unto you!
            Wake up DUDE, it is 21st Centuary!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Hope,

            when you want to see something clearly don’t move.ቢዥ ቢዥ ዝብለካ ዘሎ ኣብ ሓደ ስለ ዘይረገጽካ እዩ ::
            “Sayterut Abiet Saylikut wediet! ” I didn’t understand this one. I don’t know chines language. but sure you must be appreciating me for advising you in directly that you must know people before you right nonsense words about them, thank you if so.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhobay,

            Communicate with respectful people who have common sense. Mahmuday knows what he is talking and he is not like hope. If you do not agree do not go into confrontation. Just state your view consistently, the rest is up to the public. Always be clear as much you can. Mahmuday can understand you and am sure that he equally understand the despicable regime running our nation. When the communication reached its edge withdraw to avoid antagonism.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,
            Okay teacher. I will be waiting to read the positive common ground between you and Mahmuday. in fact let me assure you, everything will be fine if you handle things as elder and leader that I know.
            thank you for you peaceful way. thank you for being with your people since you became Tegadaly for real peace and victory of the mass. your advice is well noted.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Hope,

            In replying to you I will modify my earlier held view regarding the regime in Eritrea, as to what kind of system it is. My understanding now is that we’ve a well-established system, full with its security, police, military, and spy operations. This system is run at the helm by the dictator Isayas, and his cronies in his office; plans and orders are hatched there, while the execution is done by the various apparatus of the system. In short it is a system orchestrated by one man and his handlers and the whole thing is kept together by brute force, intimidation, fear, and corruption. Orders originate from the top, and trickle down the system, and at every stage of the power heirarchy there is corruption, exploitation and abuse of the Eritrean people being executed by the various leaders. This doesn’t mean absolutely ALL in leadership level are involved in the crimes; there could be some innocent ones, but I’m afraid they are very outnumbered.
            Therefore, the idea that all the crimes are being executed by one man and his handlers ONLY simply doesn’t hold water.
            We’ve a well-estabilished corrupt, and authoritarian system; we’ve to admit this and have to deal with it, any other idea is self-deception.

          • Hope

            Abreham:
            Talk about realities and facts on the Ground!
            I told you that each and every move and step is directed and monitored by ONE MAN!
            I do not need a definition of a System!
            Even though I want PIA to stay in power until we have plan B, if he steps down for good TODAY with no further role, tell me what you expect to hapen !
            Here is the REALITY:
            The man is here to stay for sometime
            unless a Super Batural
            Power intervenes!
            But NO to Weyane Intervention though !
            I would rather see a Stronger Eritrea through PFDJ rather than the Weyane Intervention or to see another Libya or Syria or Iraq on a day light!

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hi Hope,
            First, I do not believe IA would step down any time by his own will; that is simply “hilmi derho”. However, IA is a mortal human being just like you, and me, and sooner or later, or even tomorrow he can die. As to what will happen after he dies, I can’t say, I’m not a magician. But I have my guesses that the top military leaders would engage in a bitter power struggle to fill the power vacuum, and in the process they would cut each others throat. The civilian handlers like the Kishas and Yemanes would simply fade in the air noting that their protector is gone; አግረይ ኣውጽአኒ ኢሎም ክሃድሙ ኢዮም. But I’ve confidence in the oppressed Eritrean people’s desire for freedom and rule and respect of law. I believe in the wisdom of our eduacted people; our wise elders and religious leaders; all justice-seeking and peace-loving Eritreans would come together to take the situation under control.
            PS. I’ve strong belief in the mutual respect and civility of our people, and I would never imagine that our country would slide into the chaos that we are witnessing in the countries you stated.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Abraham
            Your assessment is realistic. As much as we would like the situation turn into a positive end, there is groundwork to be done in order for events to be directed towards safer zone, one that leads to the mutual consultation of citizens you are mentioning. If you look at the Diaspora opposition today, you can divide it into two broadly defined category: one which recognizes the ABC of change which starts by convincing people that the change that comes will take Eritrea onto a better position by safeguarding its unity and territorial integrity plus ensuring a broadly participatory political era. This one puts the people inside the country as the primary agents of change; and what Diaspora does is giving accelerating impetus. This one recognizes its limitation and therefore invests in and with elements inside. The other group or category, has invested so much in its connection with Ethiopia that for decades now, it has been ignoring calls of reforming its ideas, reforming itself, putting national interest before its individual organization’s narrow interests, to make itself out of known Ethiopian interests…and so on. Since it put its trust on Ethiopian action, it has largely made itself irrelevant. There are determined elements who have played tugs of war against Eritrean struggle for independence; served as the tip of spear of Ethiopian occupational army in the last war; and continue to pursue the imposition of Ethiopian agenda on Eritreans at gun point. There is good wind blowing as lately. The situation inside the country is consolidating, Diaspora Eritreans are reaching out to each other, community based activism is stepping up as seen in the advent of new reconfiguration of diaspora civic based opposition (Geneva..NYC…), NEW LEADERS are emerging…for the first time organizations that you would not think as sitting around the same table are mentioned to have attended the same workshop. While all these make you and me happy, this type of news is a headache for those who want to steal the power through a quick and short hitching. As peace-loving citizens coalesce from around all stripes of our politics, some will attempt to cloud up the vibe by echoing cries of reformation. Reformation is a right and duty of all PFDJ members. I wish they reformed it long time ago. But I think PFDJ is beyond reformation at this hour. However, if there are elements who try a genuine reformation which allows what you listed in your previous reply to tes, they should be welcome. At the end, the nature and direction of our future political state should be determined democratically by representatives of the people. The mandate and task of the agent bringing or ensuring change should be limited to actualizing that point where people are able to participate in the process through their representatives.

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Hello Mahmuday,

            I agree with your superb take as usual on how Eritreans have to proceed to realise a peaceful transition towards a truly representative governance. It is also uplifting to witness the current reaching out of various diaspora opposition groups trying to hammer out a common ground. One issue I would like to add is that we’ve to be open for help even from the Ethiopian government as long as we make sure it doens’t contradict the ideas of sovereignty and territorial integrity of our country. We’ve also witnessed some positive developments in the ruling party in Ethiopia in recent times; the gov is reaching out to the Ethiopian opposition parties, as well as seriously and openly discussing the rampant corruption in the country. These positive developments could lead to some forces within the Ethiopian ruling party who would like to revise the current “no peace no war” policy towards Eritrea and try to find a lasting resolution to the border impasse. There could come some forces who see beyond the Ethiopian border and aspire for a positive engagement with Eritreans with the aim of creating a favorable atmosphere for peace and development in our region.

            However, as you stated, if there are any Eritrean opposition groups who would like to rule or impose their will on the Eritrean people by riding on the back of Ethiopia, they have been and should be rejected by the Eritrean people. After decades, if not centuries, of absence of peace and tranquility, the only thing that Eritreans aspire for is nothing but true democracy.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abraham,

            I love this one very much. that is all I want to say “We’ve a well-estabilished corrupt, and authoritarian system; we’ve to admit this and have to deal with it, any other idea is self-deception.” and what it is just simple all it needs is open mind not big knowledge but simply seen truth.

          • Haile Zeru

            There is nothing metaphysical in Amanuel Hidrat statement.

          • Hope

            Mr.Zeru!
            Every thing Aman writes is Metaphysicsl and/ or Controversial,besides writing for the sake of doing it with NO Concrete suggestions for Solutions!

      • Hope

        BTW:
        Hiji-Ewinn and Wetru AWet Ni’ Hafash!

        • Haile Zeru

          Hope
          ….the young people in the prison are not Hafash as far as you are concerned. You see how hollow is your slogan. Obviously the prison guards, torturers, and system(of course made of people) that enables them cannot belong to the same Hafash with the prisoners. Because the demise of one is the victory of the other.

          • Hope

            Selamat Ato Zeru!
            R U one of the old-styled ELFites?
            AWet NiHafsh Slogan does not belong to the PFDJ but to the Hafash that includes those prisoners and detainees!
            FYI:
            My own brother was there at that particular Prison for three months simply coz he extended his “vacation ” for two weeks to stay with his DYING 3 yrs old child,who indeed died of post-open cardiac surgery complications!
            So, do not try to teach me something about this and that!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Hope the hopeless,

            it is bad you don’t even feel your own brothers bad fate with PFDJ. what else can some one expect from you. you are too cruel. ብሓቂ ! ቅሩብ ሓቦ ዘይብልኩም – ብህልዋትኩም ዝተቀርበርኩም – ሕልና ኣልቦ ሰባት ኢኾም ደገፍቲ ህግደፍ :: ሓቁ እንድዩ ህግደፍ ክንዕቅከኩም!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Saay,

      I support to discuss the video. But without the context and the perpetrator party PFDJ will be unrealstic debate and there will be no any progress to common understanding as to who is the enemy of our people. We are really hurting to our hope of coming to positive change that our people to finally get justice for all the crime rendered upon them by PFDJ. I have no clue these all attempts to protect the evil of the party by decontextualizing the issue from PFDJ. This is really a deservice to justice seekers.

      Regards
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • Nitricc

        Hi Aman H it is not about protecting any one but everything about the truth.
        Don’t you think the truth should be our priority?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Nitickay,

          The truth is the things you saw in the clip inside the prison of Adi Abeyto. The truth is what artists Samson, kiros, and the colonel are telling you in the clip. The truth is what samson characterized the regime as “chefra Ehigedef” who are committing the crimes on our people. In short the truth is told in the clip. Trying to exempt the wrong doing (crimes) of PFDJ is protecting the culprit of the crimes and ultimately will be a miscarriage of justice if we fall in that trap. I will keep warning the Eritrean people from being misinformed.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aman that is the point, how do you know this is real and authentic? The Weyane spare nothing to have their way. I mean nothing. They can even blow themselves out to blame Eritrea and get some money under the victims of terrorism. They are the lowest of low. One day you will hear the truth about this Clib and you shall know the truth. They keep telling you nothing comes out of Eritrea and yet HD quality video emerges and you buy it? Really Aman? Like I have said, lets not be selective about what we want to believe and what we wanted to hear.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Nitrickay,

            So in your mind is this is Adi Abeyto in Tigray. And the Eritrean in he clip are wayane. I could only leave you to grow and mature and able to scrutinize such kind of clips. Is it fair enough to you nitricc?

      • saay7

        Hey Emma Arkey:

        I have a dear friend, an EPLF Hafash wdbat guy, who calls all the ELF guys እዘን ተጎርቢተን ክኽዳ ዝደልያ:)

        Words mean everything in politics. The reason people were turned off by Ethiopian media in the 1990s was because they kept referring to the Isaias regime as “ሻቢያ.” These wegaHta guys used to use that term. Then they changed to ስርዓት ኣስመራ but those of us who love our city don’t want to associate that cruelty with our city. Now, at long last they are using ጉጅለ ኢሳይያስ – which is precise.

        The strategy, my friend, is “DeRe.” De-emphasize PFDJ–because not everyone in the PFDJ is responsible for the cruelty on the Eritrean people and, indeed, many within the PFDJ are subjected to the same cruelties–in fact, most of the time, a lot more cruelty because they are treated as traitors and fifth columnists. Re-emphasize the personal nature of the regime because the G1 is the same clique since 1994: Isaias Afwerki, Hagos Kisha, the two Yemanes, Wedi Kasa, and Simon Gebredengel and then a rotating crew.

        So, my friend, No to እዘን ተጎርቢተን ክኽዳ ዝደልያ:) If you want to dismantle PFDJ, you first have to convince the Eritrean people that the benefits far outweigh the risks. And if you can’t, you should keep your ambitions modest and talk about changing the behavior of Gujle Isaias.

        Much respect.

        saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Haw Sasy,

          As much as I love I will also keep reminding you not to distort my statement. I do not know whether you are doing for political reason or something else. I have not said the dismantlement of PFDJ. What I have said is to dismantle the political and structural system they are running. I have never argue against the existence of the party itself. Denying their existence is denying their democratic right. So please do not construe my statement. It is you who is denying the existence of a system and its institution. I do recognize the existence of a system and its institution. Therefore, I am against these institution of oppression and must be dismantled. How clear should I be more than this. Please saay I am not advocating for the dismantlement of their party

          • saay7

            Hey Emma:

            The dismantlement of the system is also ተጎርቢተን ክ ኣትዋ ዝደልያ:) You have no popular mandate for that. The only mandate we have is to stop the suffering of the Eritrean people WITHOUT adding more unpredictable and far, far, far worse suffering.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            please do not go down to their level. You know why they are saying it. I will not stop to tell the truth in order to stop their blackmailing. My principle and my advocacy at this juncture is the dismantlement of the existing system and the apparatus of oppression. Any short of that is keeping the authoritarian regime. The public must know clearly this.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Kokhob Selam

          Sir,

          “እዘን ተጎርቢተን ክኽዳ ዝደልያ ” as you have put it here Kokhob Selam is saying “እዘን ክብረን ሸይጠን ክንብርከኻ ዝደልያ” we don’t chose the easy but temporary way. we have chosen the hard but permanent solution.

          we trust God and then the people. we can make the unpopular popular with our continuous and nonstop struggle. people didn’t know who PFDJ is in 1990’s today from corner to corner people know already what PFDJ is. some people don’t know what reform is but now that is almost clear PFDJ has to go and replaced with out any single bacteria.

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dear SAAY
          The country has paid so much to end up at last in the hands of factions of dubious origin. I will totally defend and protect Amanuel for he has reached out to me personally, we discussed many subjects and I consider our relation as an evolving one, learning from each other. I hope he will soon come with an article assessing what it is that’s been ailing the opposition. Therefore, this is strictly for those who want to shove their borrowed ideas in Eritrean society. If they think they are determined to still the struggle that our Hafash has paid so much for, we tell them we are equally determined to preserve what we have so far achieved as a nation, and we will build a better country on the ruins of PFDJ. NO MORE GIMICKS.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,

            I am sure Amauel will answer to you in perfect way. I am sure he will say winning the support of people but without cheating the innocent and by being honest only.

            you are approaching people personally including me. you have seen my answer, nothing personal if you don’t meet the principle you can’t have common land with any man even if you contact him thousand times. I have said it , it is a matter of principle.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            If you do not mind let me correct one of your statement. It should be ” we will built a better country on the ruins of PFDJ “s political system “. Because “on the ruins of PFDJ ” will imply to members. I do agree on your assessment regarding our telephone conversation. There is more thing we agree than we differ. I am sure I will continue to call you.

            Regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam brother
            I totally agree. I will have my little, very humble Hateta regarding the difference between you and SAAY. I don’t expect it to do a miracle, but it could serve as a bridging addition to the debate. But on personal level, I’m more comfortable with you today than I was a year ago. Overall, my respect is in place. I can say comfortably that we both have reached a point where we can disagree respectfully.

          • saay7

            Hey Mahmuday:

            Rahm Emmanuel, Obama’s first chief of staff (and now mayor of Chicago) is credited for coming up with the expression: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” What he meant was that when a country is in serious crisis, take advantage of the people’s vulnerability, fear to recommend radical changes they would never approve of if they were not in a state of crisis.

            This is what my friend means by ተጎርቢተን ክኣትዋ ዝደልያ: of people who would never win their argument in a normal political atmosphere but think that the existential crisis Eritrea is going through is an opportunity to recommend extreme measures. Same thing happens in every field: if I go to a doctor complaining of a migraine, the doctor will recommend 101 things that he thinks will improve my health but have nothing to do with my migraine. If I go to my Catholic priest friend to complain how the last sermon I heard at my mosque was uninspiring, he will ask me if I want to accept Jesus as my personal savior. Etc, etc, etc.

            It is the so called “root causes” argument—whenever you hear that phrase, hold on to your wallet and run far and fast.

            One of the primary causes that we are in the mess we are in is that the Isaias Clique took a different set of emotions–euphoria of 1991–to completely install something we would never have allowed if we were less euphoric: a One Man State.

            saay

            Hey, Mahmuday, did you see the video of the prisoners in Adi Abeyto? Outside the door is a banner, in Tigrinya: “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” So, it appears that the PFDJ is (a) stealing slogans without attributing them (it belongs to JFK); (b) applying them in the absolute worst situations.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            So I am extremist simply because I do not want to continue the existing PFDJ system. Do not Worry about whether I will lose or not. I will keep Saying what will be a fair Eritrea to its people, and what is fair to our social groups. Just only argue without blackmailing. That is what l expect from you.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hi Emma:

            I think “blackmail” is one of those words used at this forum for things that have nothing to do with its meaning:

            Blackmail is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. Essentially, it is coercion involving threats of physical harm, threat of criminal prosecution, or threats for the purposes of taking the person’s money or property.

            Now, how did I blackmail you again? Or is there another meaning to “blackmail” that I don’t know about?

            saay

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Saay,

            I think when people use the word “blackmail” in this forum they’re refering to “political blackmail” which could mean:
            Political blackmail is the threat of exposing, or the actual exposure, of true, but more often invented, “stories” with the aim of causing an opponent political damage, of slandering him, of depriving him of the possibility of engaging in political activity, or of making it difficult for him.

            PS. I’m not saying that you, Saay, has used that sort of blackmail in your comment, just trying to point to other definition of the term.

          • saay7

            Hi Abe:

            Thanks! Now, I see Emma’s point. But how can I be responsible for something whose meaning I didn’t even know until you told me:)

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            i agree with you, if I was defending you against Emma, I would plead not guilt by reason of not knowing the meaning until i was told:-))
            Then I would provide all the dictioanrires you own and bring your Comboni English teacher and he would say “nothing, nada, baddo, zero sfir, we did nto cover that meaning”
            🙂

          • saay7

            Whoa Semere:

            Your memory is freaky. It wasn’t my English teacher but my math teacher, Father Joseph, who used the expression “nothing, nada, baddo, zero, sifir, abden, nienete.”:) My English teacher, Father Lauro, did not have time for such nonsense: he was too busy disciplining students.

            I wrote my ode to my rebellious Father Lauro and my more rebellious geography teacher, Father Menegati, and my never-smiles principal, Father Charles, once, in an article entitled “Just Another Friday: 1974.” It was part of the “Unbound” series that me and Gabriel Guangul had to pay tribute to Asmara. It is, by far, my favorite article and it is, by far, the most lost article online. Good luck finding it:)

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            I was told that before, freaky memory, but I disagree, fact is the writings and workds I remember that ppl think is freak is becasue they so good that they sear into my memory. They are so good..
            With my freaky memory, I am promising Eritrean who will go no where, hahah
            I wil try to find that article. I swear I do not have it.

          • saay7

            Hey Cousin iSem:

            According to my local files it was written in 2007:). All the Comboni boys came out of the woodworks I remember.

            Saay

          • Semere Andom

            Thanks Sal:
            I will check my inbox later:-)

          • Hope

            OMG!Interesting ,Mr SAAY!
            Padre Guissepe was your Math Teacher!
            What about Physics one?
            Padre Rossi,the Scientist?
            Does it bell a ring to U?
            Asmera Comboni or Khartoum Comboni’?
            I guess I might know you then on person!

          • saay7

            Hey Hope:

            Asmara. He came to us from Khartoum Comboni because he would tell lame stories that supposedly dazzled the Khartoum Comboni students who, according to him, said, “But Abuna! How can it be?” He would put his chalky index finger on his cheek as he said that, eyes wide open, to make it even more dramatic of how his mundane math rule had dazzled African kids. Much, much later in life I learned that the priests were not necessarily volunteers but zdeskelu and were sent to Africa for punishment. Don’t know how true it is:)

            Rossi neither bells a ring nor rings a bell.

            saay

          • Hope

            Hahahah!
            I did not expect that answer,either way!
            My dear one:
            They were much better Teachers though than most teachers I have come across,eventhough I do not want to go into the details of the Catholic Church Scandal,which is not more than the common lay people of the Random Communities statistically,albeit deliberately exaggerated and sensationalized by the media and the enemies of the Church,like the one against Eritrea!
            Be that or this,the Catholic Church Education and Health Care System are some of the BEST Systems ,if not,the BEST Systems in the world,(from )which at least, me and you are the beneficiaries and Living Witnesses!
            What u said might be true partially but no need of generalization !
            BTW,on a separate note,one of the major reasons that made me to divorce from the PFDJ was for banning the Catholic Church from Etitrea not to build what could have been the Best (ERITREAN )Catholic University in East Africa!
            Ethiopia rather took advantage of it and the Catholic Church has built /is building two of the most Prestigious Universities in Africa, the top one being St Thomas Aquinas University in Addis Abeba!

          • AOsman

            Dear SAAY,

            OK few checks, bumped in an interesting article, lo and and behold…buried in there:

            As an old teacher of mine, Father Joseph, used to say, “zero, sfr, niente, abeden.”

            https://web.archive.org/web/20040811002344/http://www.awate.com/artman/publish/article_2464.shtml

            Excerpt from the conclusion 🙂 …will read the rest later when free

            The PFDJ should dismantle itself and reinvent itself after it reevaluates its assumptions. First, the Front needs to remind itself Eritrea is not as fragile as it likes us to think it is. To believe that it is comes from the unique history of the EPLF and its relationship with the ELF. Since those who bring up the ELF are being constantly told to stop dwelling on yesterday, I would like to extend the same advice to the PFDJ: please stop dwelling on what happened to you 30 years ago. This permanent state of victimhood and holding grudges is a self-serving approach designed to justify the permanent and ever-increasing status of the PFDJ but it is not in the interest of Eritrea. Second, please don’t reinvent history to advance your cause: Eritreans did not join the armed struggle in droves to bring about social and economic justice or other sophisticated causes. They resorted to armed struggle and joined the armed struggle because their sovereignty was infringed upon, they were tired of living in fear of the colonial governments of Haile Selassie and the Derg, and they were denied the opportunity to bring this change about peacefully. People joined the armed struggle because their cousin was imprisoned, their brother disappeared and their friend killed. It was not about “social and economic justice”; it was about individual justice and human rights.” ………

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Berhe Y

            Dear AOsman,

            I was thinking to find that article, where Saay started all this PFDJ “weed-out” 🙂 but you beat me to it.

            That was 14 years ago, and if there was any hope if reform I think it would have been then. Now it has reached point of no return and I don’t think IA or those under him today will be tomorrow when he is gone, will not change anything.

            They have too much blood in their hands to trust themselves.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abraham,

            You get it right. Words mean different depending on the context of the subject we are debating. In this case since we are debating politics, blackmailing is Political slandering using invented stories. Good politics is always about administering political differences. Therefore our debate should be veered for that Purpose.

            Regards
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Selam Saay,

            Your analysis of the process that led to the One Man State is to the point. But I wonder wether this was in the making during the entire life of the EPLF or something that developed in the wake of the liberation of Eritrea. We really need some backround information as to how decisions and policies were conducted during the liberation struggle. In my opinion this kind of outsourcing of decisions to one man was being nurtured during the Ghedli era, and it culminated during the liberation coupled with the euphoria as you stated.

            I remember in the early to mid-nineties there were 03-rumours that Isayas was the only one doing anything meaningful to the country; that he was alone, all others were incapable or not interested in doing a good job. These kind of rumours were instilling a kind of invincibility of Isayas in the minds of the people; that the country and people were at his mercy, and that they were dommed without him. Many were buying into such rumors, including me, even though I was very young at that time. Even during the days of the 1993 Tegadelti uprisings there were rumours that Isayas had asked to resign his post, and the other leaders were at a loss and had to beg him to stay in position.
            All these rumours combined with the people’s humble trust in the EPLF leadership has led to the eventual One Man Rule that we are paying a heavy price for now.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam SAAy7
            While agreeing with the rest of your take, let me reply to the issue related to the video. I admit my initial response to KS was, as Semere put it, a bit uncharacteristic. I felt offended and had to swing onto a defensive mode. I believe addressing it specifically to me was mean and contemptuous. But I should held up strong and should have ignored it. I have consulted a veteran tegadalay who was jailed there without having committed any crime.He was discharged in 1997.He lived in Asmara, and as it is often the case, he was rounded up twice with people who were suspected of dodging service or thought to have extended their leave. He assured me it’s the prison in question. He also said that the compound, a big sprawling one, was once occupied by contractors who made it their HQs and supply depots. Of course, later on, the private contractors were made to disappear and the compound was remodeled to house jailed persons. I have read wedi Temelso (hunch back) book, a book I recommend to those who want to know what goes on behind those walls, and the nature of the prison system in Eritrea (another cause to fight the ruling regime), I also know other similar and even worse aggression on the basic rights of our people, from students to veteran tegadelti. ..to elder…from WiAa to western borders, from Dankalia to Qarora. ..
            I was not oblivious of what is going on. Should I have said it was doctored? Perhaps not. I could have described it better. Overall, the images are not far from what I expect. What’s more important is though those captives have no right of defending themselves, and no basic placement of due process. I feel their pain. I have close friends who are languishing in those prisons. I have close friends who spent years and were let to go without explanation. Worse, they were threatened not to talk about it. Yes, I feel it. The whole debacle reminds me about what French Muslims are subjected to nowadays. They are asked to prove that they are Frenches more than their compatriots. I fiercely disdain this attitude.
            Regarding JFK’s memorable quote: SAAY, are you sure he didn’t borrow it from us? (Tsk…tsk).

          • Semere Andom

            Mahmud:
            Many of agreed that KS reached into the heated debate between your prior and provocatively addressed it to you , subtly suggesting that you supported it and you snapped that is what happened, and your sanpping made many of us snap, that is all
            JFK?, I have doubt he borrowed it from us, like the ancient handlers of the Emperor somehwere in the East borrowed the, “this too shall, pass” from us 🙂

          • saay7

            Mahmuday:

            If a nuclear bomb is dropped, and it makes no sound, did it really drop? You nucked awate, but it was so subtle, nobody got it. Nobody except bad bad bad iSemere and he, astonishingly, has said nothing about it.

            That “Ask what you can do for your country….” is JFK and it is a dreadful slogan, one where the state demands (gubueka fetismka) and gives nothing in return (meselka teHaliyu do)? The reason that war veterans should have no position in government posts (except, maybe ministry of defense) is that, when they look at the Adi Abeyto video, they will say, “so what’s the big deal? I was in a far worse situation back in…”:)

            saay

            “I am not Hope and saay is not my Pope.”

          • saay7

            Hey MaHmuday:

            Well. I decided “sqta meritsna” over the weekend but Kokhob was so out of bounds he needs to give himself time out and sit in a corner. It was not what he wrote you (I knew you would nuke him) but it was what he wrote Abi, describing the dreadful Adi Abeyto video as a laughing matter with all his lol and heehee and kkkk that was annoying. Is there anything remotely funny about the video? WTF was all that lol for?

            There are some people in this forum who are in their “I told you so” ego trip and they look at every Eritrean tragedy as if it something to vindicate themselves and their decades-long of bad choices.

            Saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            No one debate for vindication to see bad happening on his own people. I think you are tired with the Eritrean politics. Who ever are in your mind this is political blackmailing. Not good at all.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,
            Saay7 knows how to play with words but can those words of saay7 paint kokhob dark? You know kokhob better than Saay7. let’s forget about it.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear saay7,

            “(I knew you would nuke him)” I am laughing on this one. nuke? let me assure you ኣይነበረና ኣይጠፍኣና :: ወዮ ተነቢሩ ! “ኣየ ኸ “ይብላ ኣደይ ቁማሽ ::

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            Until your old comrades proof you something that is happening inside Eritrea you do not have a mind to accept what all the youth are crying into. Well what can one expect from a man who is stucked in his old memories of 1991-1994 of Eritrea.

            Remember theres are untold stories and crimes which are going on inside Eritrea.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Saay7,

            You are the one who never win the political debate. You stand with those who make our suffering happen and now you are ready to use them. This is a political gambling. Eritrea is not fine with gamblers.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Saay7,

            May be those who come from south are as you said. Worse those who want to reform are trying to free those killers from Asmara. They are doing because they are guilty too. Reformation is against justice and against the dreams of the struggle done against PFDJ for the last 20 years. Those who go for it are again ready to extend the suffering of Eritrean people. Hence they need to be rejected and out casted.

            tes

    • Semere Andom

      Thanks Cousin Sal
      I think the disucussion descended to the gutter because of one word, “doctored” when MS uncharacteristically used it before watching it later and I do not believe anyone who opined has someting “zkebedo”
      The debated plugged itself to the other divisive issue: the support of the oppostion from Ethiopia and the funding of Wogahata
      For sure, in an entrie organisation every memeber cannot participate in this heinoous crimes, it is not practical but whether we cal it PFDJ or Isais group, it is a matter of semantics and we all, all invariably love to hancker on the semantcs
      During juddment, we hope all the criminals and those who ordered them will be accounted and we hope that they are in the hundreds not thousands, but the fact is despite our love for semantics and dicing things, PFDJ is committing these crimes: some by their crimes, some by their silence some by the words like the ones in thsi forum

    • Nitricc

      Hey SAAY; one interesting aspect of the opposition is that when they process an information; the select the one that suit them. This is a major problem and the mine reason why no one follows them. For instances; we are told people in Eritrea live in absolute fear and no one otters a word against the government. Then Molla Asgodom told us people openly criticize the government and compline openly. If there was honest opposition this should have been a talking point In a way of finding the truth. But no one is interest in the truth but in scoring cheap toothless poletical point. The same thing this video is generated by the Ethiopian government for the purpose of the sanction to stay put and most importantly in attempt to provide some form of evidence to the likes is COI at the UN. My point; the video is fake!
      Again if the Eritrean government is so secretive so closed how did this kind of HD quality is openly recorded? Fine, lets say happened some how ; why and how ended up in TPLF funded radio station?

      • Semere Andom

        Nitricc:
        You are self crowned truth teller, but I have never seen you say or write a shred of truth here, never. The only time you hesistated to say it was when Omaro was arrested or Omer Twil died in prison you moaned , “…..there is something wrong with that picture”
        Remember, the oppostion, any opposition whethere in a parliament/congress or like ours facing a killer is not created to highlight what the government did good, even if they end up voting for something in a democratice situation they raise and campaign their values.
        So our opposition is here to defeate the government and not to say, Oh the government built half bridged in Barka, erected a monument for Pushkin, a dam in Himbrity, dug a well in Mansoora and distributed 10 jericans( plastic water containers) in Tokombia, to appear balanced. These are fee lessons for you because you do not get that in your YPFDJ classes for the retarded
        You are asking retarded questions, when you stutterd “if the government is so closed,,,,,”, the answer is Eritreas, some people took risk to do so, your black and white world must be painful and you think that you are a critical thinker, You are just a common, PFDJ supporters
        The struggle is beign waged at different levels and part of it is Eritrean inside PFDJ, take the risk to expose it, this not original, they did it when Dergi was in power, they worked from inside.But the sad thing is that, this clandestine heroic actions of today are no happening as much as we want them and as much as when Dergi was in power, otherwise, the gates of Ela-Ero would have been open to free the prisoners long time ago, the Yemanes and Kishas and Kassas would have been assassianted in the streets of Asmara. I know you cell is thinking the reason that this is not happening is cus the people do not dislike the government as the opposition makes it sounds

        • Nitricc

          Mr sunshine; you just destroyed the first responsibility of an opposition. Any opposition its first things to do is convince the people so the people can get rid of the government you are opposing. No opposition ever is capable of defeating an existing government with out a gun. So when you declare you job as opposition is to defeat the government; bullS; your first job to convince the people your ideas and values are better than the existing one. I know you are thinking like a white man in a white country. Hint Think Africa.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nitricc,

            so you agree but you want people to be convinced, is that? in this case you are with PFDJ because no one is doing it because the idea is not popular. that is not good reason, you should be the first to do the job. “እዞም ተቃውምቲ ኮ እዮም ዘይተግባራውያን ኮይኖም” is nonsense reason. Who assigned some one to be opposition? The camp is yours and here is the job to be done,,,start today to be opposition don’t wait for others to be perfect. don’t worry, you will not be requested to work in Asmara, announce that you have rejected PFDJ. this small decision of yours will make miracle as there are people who will do greater job. Hey, I love you for being strong in your stand if so happen you want to convert to opposition don’t become reformist but real opposition. Some one has to be honest to take stand not ላንጋ ላንጋ !

      • saay7

        Hey Nitriccay:

        Every oppisition in Planet Earth is like that. You take information that is useful to you, you discard that which isn’t, and then you try to persuade the people that the government in charge is incompetent, corrupt, vile and not fit to govern. And every government in the world selects information that is useful to it, and it discards/minimizes that which shows how incompetent and corrupt it is, and then it exaggerates and highlights information which shows that the opposition is not fit to govern.

        That is part of the game; don’t hate the playa hate the game.

        And it is the role of the Govt support–as you are–to downplay documentaries which show how corrupt and sadistic the govt is. Over on twitter, a pro-gov dude sent me a link of terrible treatment of Brazilians in a Brazilian jail. Of course, the Brazilian incident was uncovered by free press and there will be accountability: some Brazilian official will be fired or forced to resign (accountabilty) and some independent commission will work to rectify the abuse. That is entire missing in the government you support: it is cowboy country, no rule of law, and thus total immunity for criminals until they tire the patience of the bigger criminals.

        How is the video fake, exactly, Nitricc?

        saay

    • tes

      Dear Saay7,

      Your reform agenda is nothing but against those who suffered under the system. Well you won’t be free from your FEAR. The day these reformers try to be on table an open and bloody war will be declared. I assure you.

      tes

  • Berhe Y

    Selam Solomon,

    It’s Sunday I will be nice to you. Congratulations for being a father, disappointed you didn’t name your son Isayas like your God father.. Looks like you didn’t sleep, get some rest, will get back to you.

    I will do you a favour go to Asmarino and find the article I wrote, which proof o was weyane before you discovered me. It’s around 20004/ 2005.

    Berhe

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear guest,

    from 1881, please edit it put 2088. Lol መቸም ገሊኽን ሰብ ሕቁኡ እንተሂቡክን ቦረቅ ቦረቅ ኢኽን ትብላ ! DIA use to look young horse what do you call that, now he looks camel at the end of his life. Lol.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Solomon,
    First thank you . I didn’t go far I am here I just declared I will stop posting till actions of real fighters start. that is all. I will never leave awate and in fact I have said it before. I want to full fill what I said. promise is promise in our political party, if I say it I should do it. I have said I will come with my book and I will come. I said I will come with my real name and picture and I will do it. My model is the great fighter Ahmed Nasser (RIP) when comes to promises and principle. the only different is I will never trust EPLF leadership and I was always against them doing the same as they do to my comrades . you will find me the best peace lover but the worst man when comes to EPLF spy and agents. but he, he was nice heart and believes everyone – he don’t mind to forgive and even forget but not me. May Allah put him in highest paradise, Amen.

    Now, let me assure you I am not Freed. all you have to do is examine our posts and check them if there is similarity from political stand to quality of presenting ideas. I can’t help you more than that. you may also ask to investigate our awate team and sure they will help you. I never post a single word before 2009 in awate, I was just reading.

    now, I never see you so mad like today, what has gone wrong? we never have big debates and any type of contradicted ideas. you want to convince yourself Kokhob is Freed I don’t know why.

    actually that is bad, names should be real names and we should all contact each other even if possible face to face. so far I was under PFDJ. time will not be far things will settle.

    • Solomon Haile

      Selam Kokhob Selam,
      I am glad you will not pull a Fareed due to anger. The fact of the matter is I have a lot of respect and love for Fareed. The clash of long ago I told has lots of good rational that was necessary then as well as the clash now between you and MS. This forum is conducive to have such passionate healing between two or more Eritreans. I have stated what set me off already, And “sllle zfokhoseleyy” I need not repeat the Benedict Arnolds amongst Eritreans. Not missing a single day to follow Eritrea for over two decades, gives one a good idea of the measure of the minds and hearts you come across.

      I too do not trust the EPLF leadership and that’s a reason why I have not seen my beloved Independent Nation yet. I do however trust and respect the EPLF and ELF and with time we shall have a good understanding of our minimal differences.

      To The East Ma Brothers and Sisters To The East.
      tSAtSE

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selemon,

        “God is great, even if the entire nation didn’t move to clean, criminals will pay somehow” was my voice recorded. EPLF leadership is almost gone. the killers who use to work with them are suffering all over the world without touching them any single man. we are watching them. some are trying to save their face. (የዕለብጡ ኣለው) the best for them was to say sorry for all the crimes they committed.

        I don’t believe nation is the land but , nation is the people. if our long struggle deserve all the suffering we pay, then it is only when the people are free. unless we make sure people are free all the work we have done has no meaning. That will happen only PFDJ removed with all it’s ideology. If we fail to do so on correct way without cheating our self with those rubbish slogans, again God is great we deserve to pay more. nature is perfect there is no escape. you can’t forget heroes who dead for your freedom and still dance. if that was possible, all the professors, doctors, and big business men who move to Eritrea in 90’s could have enjoyed their life. what they forget is just a simple and easy truth and that is there is no way you get peace until you respect the one who dead for you by bringing all the criminals to justice. it is the same for now, you can’t reconcile unless you say the truth, simply you can’t even if you use nuclear bomb. the world is suffering due to this simple truth. the end of Iraq war created ISIS by their own hand (US). Man can’t calculate like God and always loses if he don’t fallow the simple formula “do the correct thing- be ethical” you can forgive criminal man and reconcile all problems but you can’t give him power or replace him with similar man. you can’t remove one man to replace him with the similar man. you need to change the base.-the thinking from the root.

        are EPLF fighters dead with EPLF leadership? no, we must make sure that is not. that is what PFDJ want us to believe. say it ELF or EPLF every single fighter belongs to the mass.

  • Solomon Haile

    Selanat PTS,

    The first novel I read cover to cover was Coltair’s Candeed. Two hours at over coffee at a coffee shop is all it takes. It is an excellent read. If you haven’t read it pick it up. It want hurt– you may even thank me.

    That was a long way to answering you: YES. I live my life candidly. Panglossian- I am not sure if that term is regarding Candeed’s professor- would say “it’s all for the better. In other words I was so inspired by Danuel Tekhlehaimanot’s KOM liberation from racist Europeans…, Mann synapses were firing fit the only Current legitamte King of The Mountain in Eritrea. I think he should be assigned an Ambasafor position and inevitable run for the office of Eritrea’s President when his time comes.
    I mean it was lik General Jukovs and General Eisenhour liberating Europe from faciesim.
    Invidentaly, the longest book U read without getting out of bed for two weeks was The Rise and Fall of the Third Rich.
    As long of a book was the autobiography of Miles Davis… Which influenced me to name one of my children Miles after Miles Davis. Miles Davis told Reagan’s White House to •••••• ••• when they invited him for dinner with Miles wide C.Tyson, I think.
    Reason I am telling you about Miles and Candeed is: I am who I am and yes that was me and I have probably blown more smoke than the GindaE Aqurdat Baburai!
    So yes… And I am honored to have a conversation with you PTS. After all we suffer from a the same trauma, I.e. Post Traumstic Stress syndrom.

    A wet N Hafash! tSAtSE

  • Solomon Haile

    Selamat Awatista,

    Nearly a decade ago Saay rendered a ruling suspending two “Awatistas” for a Month due to ferocious war that broke out between the two in the forum. I was one and the other was a Veteral ELF Tegadalay who went by Fareed. At the time neither EPLF Veteran fighters nor EPLF former members were to be found in this opposition website speaking their minds on the injustices that were beginning to mushroom in Eritrea after the Eritrean-Ethiopian War and the G15 reformers tragedy on 9/18/2001. The strategy of the PFDJ was to totally NOT acknowledge the diaspora opposition and media after silencing the free press in Eritrea. Any one remotely showing a moderately EPLF sympathetic view point or approach went through grulling abuse at times by forumers very active in opposition forums despite adamantly and courageously standing for JUSTICE in Eritrea. Fareed coined the term OPPO to alienate people, very few at the time, such as myself. When the abuse was relentless, despite Fareed being older and a veteran Tegadalay, in self defense, I responded in kind. Needless to say, much like we are witnessing Today between Veteran Tegadalay MaHmud SaliH and Kokhob Selam, the war seemed more gruesome than the “wegiE HidHid” of the early 80s between the ELF and the EPLF. So much so, that nearly every genuine Eritrean aware.com fouromer, irrespective which Eritrean Front they were close too and irrespective of which religion they adhere too, attempted to calm Veteran Tegadaly Fareed with the due respect an elder us due but sided unanimously with TsaTse citing numerous of my writings at the time and judging that I was within my right to war against Fareed. They all tried to make peace up to requesting if me to apologize for some of the harsh statements I made. I did apologize. Fareed did not accept and the war continued. The forum was held hostage until Saay rendered his ruling of the Month suspension for the both of us. I accepted the ruling and Fareed felt insulted and vowed never to return to awate.com’s forum. And he did not return. As the ruling by Saay was a just one, upon my return Saay told me if Fareed’s self imposed exile. I think he just simply changed his nick name. (Judging from KS’ war and recent writings against MS–in fact Kokhob Selam was born with Fareed’s exit)

    The reason for the dejavu retelling if the story is this:
    While every Jenuine Awatista let the Fareed-TsaTse war take its natural reconciliation course with neutrality and with every intention to make peace among the two brothers because they were knowledgable and genuinely touched by the “weguE HidHid” tragedy, ONE and ONLY one awatista at the time stoked the war between the two siding with and providing ammunition to Fareed against TsaTse. His hatred for EPLF and his desire to see the Weyane triumph over Eritrea(to him EPLF it ShaEbia) was very evident then and I am reliving it now when he tells Tegadalay MaHmud SaliH that the EPLA and the EDF died in vein and have done nothing for Eritreans. The EDF died defending Eritrean sovereignty in defense of their people BUT to Berhe Yemane of a decade plus ago and Berhe Y of Today the galant Eritrean Soldier of Haraka, ELF, EPLF, and EDF died in vein because the Weyane were not triumphant over Eritrea and Eritreans.
    Today there are thousands more than the lone TsaTse to tell the btsay Tegadalay EPLF justice seeker just like any other justice seeking Eritrean. We are all Eritrean and we rever our history as it is injustice to do otherwise.
    A wet n Hafash!
    tSAtSE

    • Solomon Haile

      Dear moderator,
      Thank you for restoring it.
      A wet n Hafash!
      tSAtSE

    • AOsman

      Dear Solomon,

      I posted a response before not seeing the above, it has been so long (over a decade I guess) that I can’t even remember you had a fight with Fareed. One correction: OPPO you mean OTTO, Opposition To The Opposition, I think it was coined by SG in one of his Negarit articles, but then become an easy tag to use…Fareed may have found it a useful weapon.

      As for Berhe Yeman, he is one of the most fair forumers that I have known, supporting Weyane more than any other Eritrean organization sounds a bit of a push. In any case, what’s happening behind the scene…on FB I read Medrek are convening a meeting in Kenya, is there any development in Eritrea that is making people emotional these days?

      Regards
      AOsman

      • Solomon Haile

        Dear AOsman,

        My longer response is being scrutinized…as for berhe y… “Tetsgibeni Kitchas ab moQluA kola felta..”
        TsaTse

  • Solomon Haile

    Dear Awate moderator(s),

    You giving cover to a certain individuals by erasing twice what I have written, is descriminating legitimate Eritrean political points made by yours truly. True, you may own the website but you do NOT own The Eritrean Subject matter nor do you own the true path and desires for Eritrea and Eritreans.
    If there is one subject I will NOT tire from, believe you I, it is Eritrea! Either tell your readers this website receives funds from Weyane and you are bound by contract to frustrate certain Eritreans due to the controls access you posses OR simply cease and desist with your chicanery!
    There are other means to reach readers and that may include declaring WAR on awate.com! There is ample data collected to take it where ever it goes for the sake of Eritrea and Eritreans.
    This pencil is as sharpened as yours when it wants to be. Be FAIR.
    A wet n Hafash! tSAtSE

    • Nitricc

      Hi Tsa-Tse can you be a little clearer. Who do you think AT is protecting? Are you sure your post is deleted, not eaten by the system? Well my point is, you are encouraged to bring your concerns to the open. I do know AT have their own short comings but I highly doubt it they will protect any one. May be I am wrong,that is way I wanted you to bring your accusation to the court of Awate forum.

  • Solomon Haile

    Berger Y,
    You were a Weyane during the Fareed days here at awate.com ten years ago, you are a Weyane now. You maybe an Eritrean by birth but you know doodles squat about Eritrea.
    Now let all the Weyane stooges commence their offensive. This has nothing to do the peace I wish for both nations, rather IT IS ABOUT ALL THE BENEDUCT ARNOLDS EMBEDED WITH THE GENUINE JUSTICE ACTIVISTS ERITREANS.

    Awet n Hafash! tSAtSE

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Awate friends,
    I am declaring to stop posting till the real Eritreans fighters start taking action. sure it will be soon. thanks.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Berhe:
    You touched many areas and I agree. But about the return of the 500k refuges in Sudan as you said were refused in free Eritrea and the reason is Eritrea’s was under occupation under occupation of EPLF/PFDJ that is. This sounds like the Palestine refugee vs Israel, the occupier.
    Many refugees were undaunted and used their own channels and connections to return to their village, not their ancestoral villages but to their villages that they left mere 20 years to tend and plough their farms, but PFDJ has confiscated their fertile lands and when they saw the writing on the wall, the rode their coop an went to back the refugee camps. The produce from the land of Adi Abrihim and others is used now to enrich the rapists and is used as bribes to protect Isaias. Now is that legimacy question or goverance. A bandits also can do some good for the people, HS did good, Megistu did, but we during the struggle called them illegitimate and rightly so
    The issue is not just NOT about governance, it is not also not about arithmetic : you list all the things PFDJ did right and the things they did wrong and you add them , then if the result is negative then the government is must be changed because it flanked, this is the approach that make it governance issue
    But to begin with we should not add the right and wrongs of PFDJ, because to take math and arithmetic metaphor further, they are unlike terms.
    And do not feel sorry for Sal and tell him not to write an article, he can do it in a heartbeat and we would have the chance to see the ground breaking math he employees to prove his governance theory, to add the unlike terms in the equation of legitimacy and governance:-)
    I have a cool name for it:)

    • Solomon Haile

      Selamat Semere,

      Gemel SeriQkas gubuT gunuT. Arithmetic metaphors is going to give KS(if he us in fact Fareed who vowed never to return to aware.com — I am sincerely glad and happy to have confirmed my true
      Desire and suspicion that Fareed has always been right here at HOME where he belongs) an Erie dejabu because lots of arithmetic metaphors were being utilized during that WugIE HidHid. The Gemel seriQka gubuT… Is for Bethe Y. The Eritrean refugees in the Sudaneese border is nothing but pandering to the sympathetic lowland era and presumably all Muslim to B Y and Co. I was born in Hilet Sudan, Teseney and spent Easter in Fanko which we found a gohst town with only cattle, sheep and goats in the village during The battles and liberation of Barka Towns by the Galant ELF fighters in ‘1977. The entire low land of Eritrea was a battle zone for over a generation…and other arithmetic metaphors can be utilize to conclude good/bad governance. For Berhe Y to dangle ur now yo Saay or MaHmud, God bless their good hearts for being kind to him in responding to his low land pandering which he utilized the same Weyane tactic to lure the Fareeds of a decade ago to devide the unified Eritresn resistance to foreign occupation. Yagululeik kammm shuffna wa kammm… DeHan TiEgsti TuUm… Kabbza muQti dembena bel key barberry.

      To The East Ma Brothers To The East!
      tSAtSE

  • sara

    Dear Berhe
    thank you for reminding us DERGI period was really much better than now, in fact earlier in this forum there were also those who are nostalgic to hailesslasie time more than DERGI, what shall we do ? hey wait a minute ! well Mengistu is still alive,why not we bring him back and replace the current president with comrade menghistu..
    btw, Mugabe is in Paris , and it is a good venue to lobby world leaders to help us have back comrade menghistu.

    have a good day

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Sara,

      I never said I wanted DERG back, but since you brought it up let me put it in perspective for you. I will just use one example.

      During DERG, there were 107 Kebele and during national service, they would take on average between 2 to 3 people. So if we take the high number 3, that would be less than 350, around 305 or 310 to be exact. That’s from the whole city of Asmara.

      Now there are about 25,000 students who enroll grade 12. And they recruit twice a year and that means close to 50,000 a year get mobilized.

      You see the accidents, the death, the sexual and other military abuse that goes on is astronomical compared to the 300 or so.

      And they never miss the gubeka (obligation), as they recruit twice a year no matter what (that’s why they have round 30 or so by now) but they completely forgot the messel (the right to be discharged after completing your service).

      That’s why I say, those who paid the price died in Vien, I will add until the day comes where the people are free.

      Berhe

  • Hope

    Dear Berhe!
    Apologies for the interference!
    I never expected U to be such a ” Hypocritical Judge” and to make such a blanket generalization or accusation about the EPLF,which composed of the fathers,mothers,sisters,sons ,etc..of Eritreans in general and about the persona in question in particular!
    There is a difference between the EPRP,now aka the PFDJ Leadership and the 99 percent innocent Heroes and Heroines!
    For God’s sake where in the heck did U hear Vet Mahmud Salih advocating for or denying the atrocities committed by the EPRP Leadership and its Security APPARATUS?
    Questioning Radio Wegahta has nothing to do with “advocating or denying ” the atrocities by the PFDJ Security!
    Since when did Radio Wegahta mentioned any thing positive about Eritrea or Eritreans?
    Worse,u do not believe that this video could have been doctored?
    Well,there is NOTHING WORSE than the Mediteranean Sea “atrocity” or TRAGEDY,which triggered Mahmud to openly declare ” War” on the EPRP Leadership and its devastating Policy!
    Please,read Prof SAY below if u feel that I am incoherent!
    BTW,refer or listen to PMMZ’s about Radio Wegahta!
    Or read SGJ’s accurate history of Radio Wegahta here @ aware.com!
    But I do not mean that Wegahta’s accounts are false when it comes to the mess we have gone through but we do not need Radio Wegahta or ” Salina” to know about the atrocities by the EPRP Leadership and its Security Apparatus
    It was just to remind that you guys have read Vet Mahmud out of context simply coz u hate the EPLF out of proportion and wrongly even!

    • Berhe Y

      Selam Hope,

      First watch the doctored video and then we can discuss, abiut the vidio and its content, and it’s source. Who knows may be you will find people you know and recognize.

      I never said Mahmud is part of the killing machine of Isayas and his henchmen or you call it EPRP, in fact I said he is victim like the rest of us.

      At the same time I am NOT saying all EPLF are part or members of the criminals. I said all EPLF members paid dearly so that Isayas and his henchmen become rulers. They fought to liberated the mountains and the rivers but not the people.

      I said as soon as they liberate the town or the village they become the worst oppressors. The only language that comes of their mouth is, gunueka (your obligation) and never your meselka (your rights).

      Berhe

  • saay7

    Selamat BY:

    You know I love you but I don’t think you can defend ur argument that the EPLF has not done anything for the people. Let’s leave EPLF alone for now and talk about the PFDJ: it is hard to make the argument that it has done nothing for the people.

    I can either list here all the things that the dreadful PFDJ has done for the people that has made some tangible difference in their lives or I can write an article about if. The reason I don’t write about it is because I assume everyone has read UN report on MDGs which was released in August, right? Right?

    Our position should not be “the PFDJ now and the EPLF then never did anything for the people” because that’s demonstrably false. It should be “the things that it has done wrong are so unimaginably bad they minimize and shrink the good it has done.”

    In short, I wish we would spend less time talking about legitimacy issues (which, unfortunately, are the arguments of people like Kokhob: I was right in 1978 and I am right now) and more about governance issues. Less of a revolutionary and more like an out of power opposition.

    saay

    • Semere Andom

      Saleh:
      I prefer an article, please
      warning my pleading is self serving

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Saay7,
      my post is on hold. awate can delete it if they want. everyone who read my views earlier knows what reply to you is. it is easy to imagine.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi BY:
    Of course who finances a radio is important, remember it is halal, it is kosher, ztebareke eyu when EPLF/PFDJ get the finances from illegal means but haram when others do it.
    No matter who finance them Radio Wgahta is serving the people: it discovered a founding father, Tesfay Temnewo, it discovered Yemane T/Gergish, it interviewed many veterans and Eritreans, The question is not who is financing it,but the question is is the radio enriching our struggle,is it adding value,is it making a dent in the dictator’s coffin and all are resounding YES.
    No outlet is perfect and so is Radio Wogahta, people are obsessed with “Eritreas solution by Eritreans”, but I believe that the solution to Eritrean problems should not come from one sources, solutions to Eritrean problem by tacking it from different angles is the way to go, now and in the future
    I am sure Kiros Asfha was not doctored, I am sure all the artists who agreed that it is illegal to breath in Eritrea were not doctored. I said it before and I will shout it from the hill top and it is here: we must live the wrong and outdated, old thinking that launching the struggle from Ethiopai is wrong, that receiving help from is Ethiopia is wrong. And it is us, the people that need to catch up, with all its problems the opposition got that right,
    And this does not contradict with Bitweded Abraha’s trying to have a better for Eritrea in the tussle of the property that landed him in PFDJ’s prison

    • Berhe Y

      Selam SA, AH and Saay,

      I will show this video to people I know who were prisoners of Adi Abeyto. And I am sure they will confirm that’s the place .

      There is no doubt this will be the most daming evidence for the COI. I am made at PFDJ, but I never felt this much anger as I do today about this regime.

      These criminals deserve nothing but the Guillotine. That’s the only way we will find closure for this, knowing that this will never happen again.

      BY

    • Nitricc

      Hi Semere; I know as usual you won’t get but in journalism and mass media, IT maters who finances it. But again I don’t expect you to get it. In case you don’t know it is financed by your TPLF gangs. You will think they feed their people instead wasting on toothless radio station but again who cares right? Why do you have so much respect for TPLF gangs? They are too stupid to earn any once respect but yours.

      • PTS

        Nitricc,
        If they can govern 100 million ppl, they are not stupid.
        PFDJ can’t govern 5 million ppl. Everyone is running away in every direction.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear PTS,
          You are bad! Lol. don’t count the prison of Eritrea and compare it with Ethiopian universities. don’t even remember Eritrea was colonized and had more industries than Ethiopia. don’t tell Nitricc, Eritrea is suppose to be more advanced than Ethiopia for it’s strategic geographical position, hard working people and more natural resource putting in to consideration it’s population. that is not fair my friend. no reasons and logic’s matter in the camp of PFDJ. what matters is the lion of Naqfa.

          I love Nitricc for being clear PFDJ, I hate very much those who try to tell us ” I am a rat because I have tooth and I am a bird because I have wings like a bat . watch them and reply to them please.

        • Nitricc

          Hi PTS: obviously you don’t understand the dignity of every life deserves to eat. Your Insensetive remarks exposes your crudity. If not how do you expline this stupid,corrupt and minority junta fainancing radio stations and paying in millions for electrons spying while its Children are dying from lack food. I know you Africans are expect nothing from your government but the least a government can do for its people is FEED THEM. I know you won’t get.

    • Solomon Haile

      Selamat SA,

      I detect you are an Ethiopianist Eritrean. Any relation to the late Ethiopian General Aman Andom? May that has some deep influence in you.
      Those who seek solutions from the South are inherently playing and will continue to play de stabilizers of Eritrea. Not good for the Eritrean people AND not good for the entire region of the Horn.
      Awet n Hafash
      tSAtSE

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Solomon:
        You are assuming wrong. Actually my story is close to yours, not exact but close. No relation to Aman Anomd
        the help from south, we have debated it but it reemerged now “nzereba zerab ybtsieo……”
        Do not apply tinqqolla(mathematics) when guessing,:-))

      • Nitricc

        Hi Tsa-Tse your observation is right on. Semere Andom half dedebit,no question about it. That is half Canadian and half dedebit. He is obsessed with TPLF gangs. He keep telling us how TPLF lifted the people of Tigray and the people of Tigray are dying of hunger. That is the great irony.

    • Abraham Hanibal

      Selam Semere,

      All well-meaning help is welcome whether it comes from Ethiopia, Sudan or any other government or NGO. The core-issue is we should not expect others to take control of our fate and deliver us freedom on silver platter. The struggle to undo Isayas rule must be based on the initiatives and full participation of the Eritrean people. All opposition groups should recognise this basic understanding before proceeding further.
      I have a question to you or anyone who passionately argue for the involvement of the Ethiopian government. As we know some Eritrean opposition groups have been stationed in Ethiopia ever since the last war broke out. Is there any meaningful help or support that have been extended to these groups by the Ethopian gov to help them organise themselves better and pursue a meanigful struggle? If not, where does one put the blame; is it lack of support by the Eritrean people to the cause of these organizations; is it lack of better qualified leaders in the organizations; or is it lack of a genuine desire from the Ethiopian gov to help these organizations to become more effective?

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Abe:
        I do not disagree with you regarding the kind of help. Before in many comments I made similar assertions. When heavy lifting is done by us, when we define the our destiny and many more rules pertaining to the help, to which Sal rebutted, this is easier said than done because when someone is paying some bills for you he would not some part in the destiny, it is more nuanced he added. He is is right, I am also right, it is complicated. the point is for those who make it
        “haram” even to entertain the idea.
        I am not sure about the extent of the help but to me the fact that they are not arresting them and handing to PFDJ, allowing Eritreans to seek refugee is meaningful help. There is some stuff that they do that I do not like like toying with the Kunam and Affar issue but it is up to us to transcend and alleviate such issues, it not a walk in the park, but to call for the opposition to not even be located in Ethiopia is just PFDJ play.

  • Abraham Hanibal

    Dear Berhe Y,

    In fact when I saw all the slogans at the Adi Abeyto prisons, they reminded me of the “Arbeit macht frei”, meaning “work makes(you) free” Nazi slogans that were placed over the entrances of the concentration camps. There is a very striking similarity; those Nazi slogans were made by prisoners with metalwork skills, while the Adi Abeyto slogans were funded by the prisoners themselves.

    • saay7

      Hey Abraham:

      Brilliant. Or remember the three slogans from Orwell’s “1984”:

      “War is peace.”
      “Freedom is slavery.”
      “Ignorance is strength.”

      Of course, Awet NHafash is a strong contender.

      saay

      PS: Cousin iSem, guess which radio station first interviewed Wedi tkabo?

      • Abraham Hanibal

        Hello Saay,

        I agree, Awet NHafash is indeed a strong candidate when used by the despotic PFDJ; without affecting its hsitoric significance and the real message of the slogan.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Abo,
    if someone knows how to deal with PFDJ politicians and their security trust me EPRDF is nothing.
    Abo, can you try to visit Eritrea? Lol you will never be seen again…why? you wrote a lot in awate and by now you are black listed.

    • Abi

      Kokobe
      I agree things are much better nowadays. It will get better. It’s been only 25 years since we started the democratic process. right now we are at meto bemeto. Soon it will be 99/100.
      One seat every five years lemastezazegna for opposition.
      How about Tilahun Gessesse. I like ” chuheten bitsemugn”.
      I prefer music or joke. Give me one. If you don’t have send me dabo.
      Ene kenesu gar min acheqacheqegn
      Dabo yishalegnal democracy yiqoyegn.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Abo Habiby,

        እኛ ጋ ሁለቱም የለም :: ተመስገን ብትሉ ይሻላል ::

  • saay7

    ጤና ይስጥልን ato Wechegud:

    Not fair, you were not meant to bring your abacus and see which one I prefer just an ounce more:) I have mentioned that Khartoum weather is hellish, right? It takes a lot of acquired taste to endure it. And, unlike the Arizonians who fool themselves by saying “its dry heat, and its only 2 months a year”, Khartoum is hot and humid and they have this sand storm called Khemseen (50) which should be called Steen (60) on some days…

    The language…well, I thought we were comparing Addis and Khartoum and NOT Ethiopia and Sudan:)

    saay

    • ወቸጉድ

      አብሮ ይስጥልን ወንድም ሳልሕ
      I thought Addis and Khartoum would stand as representatives of their respective countries. I’ll take it you would feel comfortable in either place. I have been to five continents and I have yet to find a place that beats the Addis weather year round. California might come close, ah, but no cigar.

      As much as it is fun to compare the two cities/countries, my original query was to gain a better understanding of the highland/lowland dichotomy along with resultant matrix of christian/muslim dimension that was being discussed. Why would there be such a division within a nation if indeed it is one nation? And If such divisions do occur, what would be the implications for southward or westward affiliations? I was trying to understand which way you* might be swayed and why.

      *assumption being you are a muslim highlander

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Mahmuday,

    “ወትሩ ዓወት ንሓፋሽ ” ” ሃገርካ እንታይ ክገብረላ እምበር እንታይ ክትገብረለይ ኣይትበል ”

    http://sallina.com/?p=1931

    • PTS

      Thanks for the link Kokhob,
      Nice exposè of the mafia group. I wish we had smart phones and social media in Eritrea.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear PTS,
        Yes, but I am thinking! PFDJ leadership’s reaction over this incident. They may start investigating and in fact every one who was in serous watch will be in target. Lol, those are crazy men and may give order to stop using smart and half smart mobile sets. who knows, they may order people hand over their sets and change with normal mobile set. Ha ha ha! “come to banks and hand over all your mobile numbers” like Naqfa.

        • Abi

          Kokobe
          I saw the link just for a little bit. Since it is Tigrigna I did not know what it was . I just guessed it was one of the refugee camps. Now you are talking about your worries about the government reaction. Am I missing something?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,
            I lough long! are you ready to lough? make sure you are not eating or drinking before I tell you what it is. hey make sure you are not driving or operating any machine. not only that make sure you are not making love too. why all those warning, you asked… see again let me give you one advice you must learn Tigrnya first of all there are 7 million people who use tigrnya in your nation – that is as only as first language again you will find millions who talk Tigrinya from other ethnic groups. Again your 2nd and lovely nation Eritrea is using it as national language. so you must learn it.

            Now, ready? you see the camera is secretly capturing the prisons of Eritrea. there are hundreds of prisons in Eritrea here are few. it is difficult to take videos in Eritrea and that job was done secretly.

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            I hate prisons. I as said before I lost a very close relative in Eprdf prison . They beat him to death. His crime? He was Amhara.
            Kokobe, I wish I could laugh . I will watch it again.
            Thanks.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abo,
            the gland that allows you to lough is not functioning well..Lol. what makes me lough was your imagination of the prison that you describe it refuge camp.

            I am sorry for what happened to your close relative. I am learning for the first time you government beat people to death just for being Amhara. but who is leading the nation? isn’t the leadership mixed of all Ethnic groups? let me ask you one question, isn’t your freedom to ask why the killed your relative?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            I am assuming this happened in early 90s? I lost a friend in early 90s, probably for the same reason. So many rogue things happened, then and to much lesser extent still happen. I am sorry for what happened to your relative…

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyobay,
            for the last 15 years I am engaged and busy of Eritrea. I seldom read Ethiopian news. I only read few articles . I thought Ethiopia is doing fine. when I saw the complain of Abi, I worried of the most lovely people on earth. what is going on over there? give me some brief. in fact I am planing to visit Ethiopia in coming months.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kohkhob,

            These kinds of unfortunate occurrences, in my experience used to be happening in early 90s. The police almost 100% was organized by former fighters, who know nothing of city life. As I stated above, Impost a friend in 94 with similar type of incident. In the 2000s the government established a different policing system, which created federal police, which itself has some problems, but better organized, members with a some what better education and ethnically diverse top to the bottom. It solved a lot of problems. Generally, the only big black dot that they have was they way they handled the 2005 election protests, in which 189 people were killed. Things like what Abi said don’t happen now that often. Yet, like any other country on earth, there may be problems in policing, no country on earth, even here in US is immune of that. Visiting? You should. The security is great and pretty much you are free to do what you please, as long as it’s legal. Individual stories like Abi’s and mine should not deter you…

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyouay,
            I know about 90’s. I know how the nation suffers especially the first 3 to 4 years. in fact I myself suffered and faced problem when EPLF was still there at the beginning. even in 1996 I came to Addis 4 times in one year, and my Got I can’t forget how the fighters were acting even in the gate of airport. in fact I was hopeless of change in their treatment.

            Visit? Yes, sure no circumstance will stop me. in fact I must go very soon.

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Abi,

            Sorry to hear this. On the other hand, I am surprised that you are considered as “one of the Wpyane cadres ” changing important Eritrean agenda discussed at this forum. I hope VF and others are reading your comment (above).

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abiti,

            Come on…It says right on the title “Bet Ma’eserti” (Esir Bet)…You know it’s not that difficult to translate Tigrigna. Didn’t you hear the saying that “Tigrigna sekrew yeminagerut Amargna nw”? 🙂 (Everybody, I am joking. Please don’t get upset. It is a JOKE)

            P.S By the way close to 70% of the words and cognates are shared in the two languages. The difference is Tigrigna has more vocabulary and richer in terms explanatory phrases (gelach qalat) Hence, for you and I may take a bit longer to learn.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyob,

            Hey, you say what your mind thinks and then “Everybody, I am joking. Please don’t get upset. It is a JOKE) ” እምቧእ! ኣታ እንታይ ኮይንካ ኢኻ ? that is joke Eyobay !

            “Tigrinya,is the language of adventurists ” use to say my Ethiopian class mate. some goes to say Tigrinya is good language for fighting. Lol. for me Tigrnia is rich as you said it. specially the Eritrean Tigrinya has become Rich with some words add from Arabs and Italians. I love it as much as I love Amharic. I am worried Tigrinya may lose it originality. I am very much interested to use our old words so we will not lose them.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kokhob,

            Ha ha.. 🙂 I am fine with understanding Tigrigna only 50% and 0% of speaking of it.. 🙂 Seriously though, there is a HUGE concern about Tigrigna slowly losing ground, even in Tigray. If you go to Meqele, almost all street signs, advertisements, names of establishments are written in Amharic. Shire, Axum and Adigrat, the same thing. The young people speak Amharic outside home a lot. So much so now, the topic was discussed at the last congress of TPLF just few weeks ago. Especially Mekele has almost become an Amharic speaking city. The trend mostly fueled by students, who come to the region to go to Tigray colleges from other regions. Almost identical phenomenon is happening in Somali Region of Ethiopia. Those who know Jijiga 10 years ago, couldn’t believe two things how the city has changed 1) It has become a big city to its way to become a metropolitan. 2) Somali language is, especially with the youth has become a co language to Amharic… 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyob,
            really, it is strange to see few years development changes culture and language so much. people should work hard not to lose their originality by running to capture the new development. the case should be handled seriously and governments should support people in keeping their culture. in fact I saw your government organizing some sort of program that opens to let know each others culture. I don’t know how much effective it is.

            Tigrinya is in ICU and both countries should cooperate in bringing back the life of this wonderful language. in fact there are other languages like Saho and Afar, Baza languages in common for sisterly nations and that is another big job waiting for us. Thank you Eyobay.

          • PTS

            Kokhob,
            There is no much change. For the most part, Tigray has always been Amharic speaking region. Old, young and kids… everyone speaks Amharic well. Tigrigna is there at limited level. The only change now is they sometimes write in Tigrigna – something that wasn’t common before liberation.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear PTS,
            And still I heard from some opposition the government is working and favoring Tigray people. in fact some even say EPRDF is weyane . if so Tigray people should think about it. I mean they should start to dig their language and expand it and I think EPRDF will allow them to so.

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            They all should speak English and English only at schools and offices. Who cares for Amharic or Tigrigna or any language?
            Don’t shoot !!!

          • Kokhob Selam

            እያሾፍክ ነው ኣይደል ? እንዴ ኣማርኛ ከሚሞት እንግሊዘኛ እሳት ኣይበላውም ? ኣንተ ለምን ታስቀይመኛለህ ? ቆይ ኣሁን በሰው ኣገር ሃብት ቢትረፍረፍ ምን ምቾት ይሰጣል ?

            “የኔ ቆንጆ በሞቴ” እያለች ምታጎርሰኝ ውብ የሃበሻ ልጅ ማን ይወዳደራታል :::try it in English, No taste ኣይጣፍጥም::

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            First of all
            Ene yemfelgew bemote eyalku yemagorsatin new.
            Tigre siyagors min yilal? ” enchi enatshin!”

            Amaran lefiqir man yiwedaderal
            Eyagorese motkulish yilal.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            You know I know you don’t mean it, but seriously, English also is in trouble. Technology is killing its influence. Only few years ago, it is impossible to code computer language with out a knowledge of English. Now, not necessary AT ALL. The number of its native speakers is shrinking. China’s economic rise also challenging its influence. There is a very detailed study published recently. I can link it for you, if you want.

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            We can increase the number of English speaking population by 100 million.
            We have been on this road before. Don’t make me bring the big gun. Saay!!!! I think he is in Khartoum. Eyobe, the Chinese riches are sending their children to the west. No, they are not looking for burgers. I want you to guess. American universities are giving mandarin language courses. You see both the Americans ( I don’t know about Europe) and the Chinese see opportunities in the two languages. We? Stick with amharic . If we want to be part of the world, we have to speak the language the world speaks. Last time I checked it was not Amharic or Tigrigna.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            Mandarin is also given in Ethiopia. How about this, do you know that Amharic is being taught as a subject in Djibouti and Somaliland? How about BBC to start broadcasting in Amharic and Tigrigna? See this is how influencing starts and grow. In fifty years you might find Amharic speakers in huge numbers in every country in central and east Africa… 🙂

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            Are you kidding me or killing me?
            What do we learn from the Djiboutians? They are thinking 50 years ahead. If there is any federation or any kind of arrangement that makes us closer than the current situation, the are learning the working language of the biggest market in the region or may be in Africa. Instead of renting ports and chewing chat all day long, the next generation of Djiboutias will be all over ethiopia competing in every aspect. Those lazy days will be changed with active and productive days. It is like the former brothers , the current neighbors used to do. Smart, smart, smart. Very visionary of them. What about us? We are busy studying qine, terer teret, lema begebeya, andit wef neberech, Obama endih ale, Saay FARA new , no saay arada new,….
            Eyobe, endet new negeru?

          • saay7

            Hey abi:

            Breakfast (fuol) in Khartoum; dinner in Addis. It’s night time and I am at this Ethiopian restaurant and on the wall are pictures of the flat-faced big eyed folk next to a lion with human eyes. They are piping in “instrumental music” of the drama queen, Tilahun Gesese. There are loud Ethiopians breaking city ordinance, smoking and playing billiards. Some Ethiopian woman wants to feed me (as if I am handicapped or a baby); I stare at her Henna-covered hands and say “you washed your hands, right?” That’s not rude, is it? Tigre fiqr ayawqm

            In South Africa they teach English and mandarin. Is it rude to stare at a South African speaking mandarin? Speaking of mandarin, do you know what Akat is? It’s a fruit in Eritrean lowlands. Hard shell, like coconuts, one of those fruits God made for animals with the right teeth and jaw but humans are selfish. Anyway, in Eritrea a stubborn man whose head cannot be penetrated by reason is called “reisi Akat”. I think how u say that in Amharic but it is spelled E.Y.O.B.

            Saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal, Abi,

            I am so pissed now. Some stupid entertainment news presenter named Carson Daley is about to rob me a good night sleep. You know what he just said? He was talking about the AMA award and the weeknd (Abel Tesfaye) and he said “the languge that’s in weeknd’s song is a dialect of ARABIC.” What? A dialect of Arabic?. I am going to write a strongly worded letter to NBC now.. 🙂

          • saay7

            To: Eyob

            From: NBC

            Re: Carson Daly

            Please note that Carson Daly does not work for NBC. He works for ABC. We are forwarding ur strongly-worded letter to them.

            To help u conserve ur energy, please note that entertainment shows do not have a research department. Some unpaid intern looks things up on Wikipedia. This is what it says about Amharic:

            Amharic: አማርኛ Amarəñña, IPA: [amarɨɲːa]) is a Semitic language spoken in Ethiopia. It is the second-most spoken Semitic language in the world, after Arabic, and the official working language of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia.

            So close enough. Have a good weekend or as your people call it, weeknd.

            saay

          • Abi

            Saay
            I know the restaurant where you spent your evening. You were at Asab hotel at Teklehaymanot. Old hotel where eritreans come and talk the old good days. The lion with human eyes is the Lion of Nakfa. It was imported from Asmara in the early 90s. All those people you saw in that restaurant are eritreans. If you walked a little bit towards Habtegiorgis dildiy, you will find the infamous pastry . GebreTinsae cake on the left side. You don’t find ethiopians in those kind of old and forgotten places. Next time check with SGJ for a better place. Phew!

            Your second part is beautiful. You wrote it outside that restaurant. Away from the old, noisy, patrons. I loved your last sentence. In Amharic it is QIL ERAS.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Selam Kokhebay

      Three sentences:

      – Radio wagaHta is not my source when it comes to news from Eritrea (ask SGJ who finance it); I don’t need its doctored presentation; I know the reality, and that’s why I stand firmly for the rule of law and normalcy. (Hade beleley)
      – Regarding “ሃገረይ እንታይ ክገብረላ እምበር እንታይ ክትገብረለይ ኣይትበል,” I walk comfortably under my skin knowing I have done the right thing standing up for its rescue twice: once from foreign occupiers and now to see that it makes it to normalcy; I will never lose my focus by sensationalism. (klte beleley)
      – The time when the goodhearted majority Eritreans break barriers of traditional political ritualism, and make the political swindlers jobless is nearing; power to the people. (seleste beleley)
      Awet nHafash.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Merhaba Mahmuday,

        Three sentences, each with double massage.

        – I don’t need to know who finance Radio Wegahta when Wegahta brought me such proof that “ወትሩ ዓወት ንሓፋሽ ” is not the motto of PFDJ but ሞትን ጥፍኣትን ደቂ ሃገረይ is the aim of PFDJ paying such risk none of us has done. again I don’t try to get support from SGL ( any man in the world for that reason ) when I challenge you just to get sympathy from others. I know the plain truth will get me close to great men like SGL. I wish you trust your ownself first. ( hade beleley)

        – good for you for being comfortable with what you have done if that is deep true from your heart. I am not comfortable and never being in comfortable place but I do live in peace for what I have done again work to do more with out cheating others and myself. I believe practical people bring real change and I hate when I see opportunists try to gain from others hard job (ክልተ ዶ በልካ ? )

        -People are not greater than truth or God. and I never cheat them as if they are perfect. perfection is for God and we here to chose the way towrad peace. the way toward peace is to give others freedom. I don’t fight to break differences by pressing others, I fight to create peace by allowing differences be there giving us light, and wonderful color of rainbow by creating harmony. (seleste beleley )

        I can’t dream of Awet nHafash unless I work hard and say ውድቀት ንተበለጽቲ !

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Dearest Kokhebay
          You remind me of my teen years when I thought I was the loudest. Anyway, sometimes wearing ear plugs is the only solution for annoying noise of an empty garawagna.
          Have a nice day. //END//
          Awet nHafash

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,
            you have been saying a lot but do you know why you lose the debate always when you face Kokhob? it is not that I am smarter than you, it is just because truth is stronger. do you notice?

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ya Hala Kokhebay
            Not really, awatista will second me if I ever lost a debate it was not against you. You are a nice dude. My only problem is this: When a thread deteriorates to a level when I am not gaining traction, that means energy, that means something useful to push me continue the debate….Ugh! I become bored and revert to tactics of mudslinging. FORGIVE ME FOR THAT. And there is Kokhebay: You will interject only to defend or promote the oldies politics, or defend Harbegna wayanay. Ah! What am I going to do? Any way love and reconciliation for all. You are a nice dude, I can endure your mishaps. BTW: My three sentences were general, but as the saying goes when the nose is hit the eyes well up.
            ኣድሓርሓሪ…ተበላጺ…እዝን እትን…ጸርፊ ንመን ቐተለ ኮኸባይ? ብጸርፊ እንተዝኸውን ወዲ ኣፎም ቀደም ምስኸደ። I will forgive you for calling my attention to Radio WagaHta.
            Awet nHafash

          • Kokhob Selam

            Look Mahmuday,
            you are stronger than you thought. If you know you are intelligent but destroy the old software really you will lead the nation leave alone challenging Kokhob. imagine, starting today use all the knowledge you have against false and useless politics in short time you will shine and do wonderful job to your people. you will remember me for my advice, but you will lose corrupted people from your life. Lol

          • Ted

            Hi Koken Selam, may be you misread the “political swindlers” part before you respond “truth is stronger” to GMS. The truth, the whole country is in prison.. If you are a worrier, worry for those who were misinformed by the likes of you in refugee camps rejected to live in a slum. The irony, as you seem to be horrified by the condition, I am sure you will be outraged more if EU sends chocolate and air mattress to Eritrea to keep prisoners comfortable where they are. The gig is up my swindler friend. You will be the last person to cry for Eritreans. Where are Weyane when you want them to free us?They got you all giddy up claiming bombed bisha mining once then they disappear. Feel your pain.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello the great
            KS is proud serving his you-know-what cause. That’s why you see him defending his handlers 99% of the time, appeasing hell-bent anti Eritrea elements. The rein is slipping off from the hands of his ilks. A New revolution is on the horizon, and it will start from within Eritrea. The professional swindlers will soon be out in the cold. That’s what all the signs are telling us. You can’t be for Eritrea when you are a devoted soldier of the force occupying Eritrean territory. HGDF is an Eritrean problem and dealing with it demands a shift of paradigm: indeed it is an Eritrean problem that must be solved by Eritreans who care for Eritrea and who trust the Eritrean people.
            Awet nHafash.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Mahmuday,
            now it is Eritrean problem but not in 8o’s when you were with TPLF Lol. n’akhum Halal n’ana haram. you must be crying. for me the first enemy is PFDJ and PFDJ only. and PFDJ has to be removed. for me TPLF’s is the last thing to think about. I don’t even care about it now. Badme is waiting for Eritrean people to lead the nation. is that okay for you ? ask for pardon Mahmuday, I am telling you this is good chance for you. Lol.

          • Semere Andom

            Mahmud:
            Please do not only end your comments with Awet nHafash, start it with Awet nHafash:-)
            The video does will not reveal the crimes of PFDJ, we know and seen worse, but it will remind us the concentration camp nature of it as BY said. KS was needlessly “toktaki”, provocative in English:-) but it is not doctored and it addes value, it enriches, it informs, Wogahata is an Eritrean oppostion that all
            The video is telling about the humilaation of Eritreans in their homeland that was the take away and am unhappy that the discussion have deteriorated but “teAtseff” Mahmuday and solve the deterioration

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Mshmuday,

        I wish your argument was on the info in the audio clip. I wish if your argument was whether the content of the clip was right or wrong .. For me it does not matter who is the source of the info. If the info is correct which I believe it is. The source are our brothers and sisters. If you believe the info is wrong because it is from the Eritreans residing in Ethiopia you always fall in the old politics. Remember even your comrades medrekites have office in Ethiopia. So Please , because it is told by Your adversary does not mean the info is wrong. Adi Abeyto is real a crime Scene. You can not dispute it. Let common sense reign.

        Regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Mahmud Saleh

          Selam Emma
          To be honest to you and to all Awatista; I have not watched the video all the way. I detected doctored parts, and stopped it. Your comment is well taken. If you remember, when a video was made in Tigray about September 1, and another in the University of Adi Grat, I commented favorablly despite many pushes. I hope you rememebr that. I made a mistake. I admit it. KS addressed it to me (as if I don’t know what’s going on inside the country, as if I don’t have close people who have suffered, as if I don’t recognize the injustice in the country; as if I don’t voice my opposition openly and loudly. It was a bait and Icould not ignore it. That was the mistake. What followed is regretable, I have had a bad thanksgiving, I might have given hgead ache and disappointed some awatista. I regret that. I will watch it. And thank you.

          • Fnote Selam

            Mahmud,

            Very uncharacteristic of your chauvinistic nature to express that you regretted something…wink, wink 😉

            FS.

    • Fnote Selam

      Kokhob,

      I don’t mean to take sides here, but you, addressing the specific video directly to Mahmud, is rather very provocative, unfair and unfortunate. It doesnt look good coming from you.

      FS.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Fnote Selam:
        I like your always sober accessment, am serious and given that you are too young to remember Seinfeild if you want blow by blow recap of every episode, of every line of this show of nothing, Berhe Yeman is the uncontested authority on it. He missed classed, ditched dates, broke up with girl friends, cancelled labs not to miss the show. If he is busy I can cover but mine specialty is the obscure lines 🙂
        But let me be provocative and ask, is it bad to be provocotive? 🙂

        • Berhe Y

          Hi SA,

          I don’t know what this got to do with Seinfield. I am sorry, I am with Fnote Selam on this one, and I agree what he is saying. Mohmud has nothing to do with it, and not only that the address to him is wrong but also what Kokob wrote to him. I am sorry Kokob I do have a lot of respect, but also what you wrote to Abi when describing the “prison” is not a laughing matter. Mahmud, like all of us is victim of the regime, he may have his soft spot to the system that he spend his whole life, dedicating to do good for his people.

          The point I would like to make is, please let’s not drag this to an argument about nothing when we have evidence of everything. What we need to be discussing is, how do we use this video as evidence to how our people are being treated by their own. How do we distribute this video to the whole world so that, everyone under the sun knows about the ordeal of our people.

          This is the reality our people are escapting and NOT because of the economic reason and that this regime needs to be panished and made to disappear from the face of the earth.

          Berhe

          • Semere Andom

            Hi BY:
            The Seinfield reference was to FS, u were not here so, do not a get to ask:-), u wont understAND
            But where is the doctored video that MS is mad about, and KS was not at fault to point to MS, they had some heated debate before so he provocative, so what?
            And here is the point: as you said who cares who is funding Wogahta, if he has information that whatever they are covering is false or does not benefit us then am all ears. Part of the occupational hazard in this form is to be provocative and nothing sacred.MS later handled the provocation well when he reached out to KS and also advised against the potential detororation of debate

          • Pass the salt

            Berhe,
            This video is nothing damning really, specially if you take away the audio naration of it. Both out of lack and by design, the evil deeds of the regime haven’t made it out yet. Imagine if there was video of the shooting of wounded MayHabar veterans, or torture of ElaEro or other prisoners, or executions, or any of the state sponsored henious crimes. Out of all the crimes, not a single act do we have on video. At best, it is testimonies and sketches. Even that is scarce.
            They have been extremely good at preventing leaks. They managed to do that by keeping Eritrea’s technology pretty much the same as it was during the Gedli era.

        • Fnote Selam

          Hi Semere,

          Thank you the kind words.

          Of course, provocative questions are not bad at all. There are the ones that are intended to provoke thought/emotions and there are those that provoke reaction…..i felt that post from Kokhob has hint of the later (sorry Kokhob if I misunderstood you…). At the end of the day the questions is to what end? In the case above, is it to shame Mahmud, make him feel guilty, convince him that things in Eritrea are really bad…..

          I just think Kokhob could have simply shared the video with all of us….

          You know, I always used to skip Seinfeld if I see on the TV list without much thought, but the show is so much referenced in this forum, i decided to give it a try every now and then….i tell you, it is fantastic…Keep those Seinfeld lines coming… 🙂

          Best,

          FS.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear FS,

        We need to reach to the level we say things openly and to the point. When I attach the information it was to let everybody see so not to miss the information otherwise I could have sent him by other means like face book. But here again I want him to take clear stand on the slogan “Awet NHfash” I want to show him the slogan is nothing when you let people suffer. as usual the explanation he give on the slogan is not clear.

        now this debate was going on for some days but passively. his methods are a bit old EPLF style, and I am expert on that – that is my special gift he can continue talking for all his life but he will never get peace of mind as truth is truth. I have been criticizing strong leaders in front the mass and there was no day I found my self wrong and I always won. it is simple, the truth is strong. in 1998 Al’amin Mohammmed sayd was giving seminar in Riaydh to say Weyane, Weyane, as usual. I was the man who said, – who brought Weyane to Eritrea? who gave Badme to Weyane? ” and even remind him how they failed in solving 2ndary contradiction and how the price came again and again to us. what can this man do? all he has to do is scratch his head. you know why, that is just truth. it is not that I have power or I am more fighter than him it is just the truth. truth is even strong than the entire nation.

        so yesterday I came with the poem to show Mohamed Saleh slogans are nothing if the deed is different,

        ኣይ ኤስ እኳ ኣይ ኤስ ‘ቶም ክሳድ ዝቆርጹ:-
        ብሽም እስልምና ዓለም ዝህውጹ:-
        “ኣላሁ ኣክበር” ኢሎም ብፈጣሪ ጭርሑ:-
        ብዘይሕፍረት ሕንከት ከም ኣኽላብ ይነብሑ::

        do you read that? yes I mean it. the crazy ISIS chop the head while saying “ALAHU AKBAR” what Allah is that? where does God says cut the head of someone ? it is just the same saying as ” Awet Nhafash”. does Mohamed have another mass? isn’t Eritrean people? and isn’t the same Eritrean people who is suffering under PFDJ with the same slogan.

        and now what unity are people like Mahmuday talking about if they are bringing back again the other side of EPLF or PFDJ? what umbrella can do for them.ጽላል ድኣ ‘ሞ ንመን ……..
        ቦታ የለን ኣሕዋት ንኣምሳሉ ዘምሰልስል :-
        “ዓወት ንሓፍሽ” ኢሉ ህዝቡ ንዝቀትል: –
        ሓፋሽ ነቂሑ እዩ ደጊም ነይታለል ::

        things are very clear, I am not going to die for those old opportunists siting in democratic nations with such slogans. FS, I may and others may die for there country and change will be there. but let me assure you I will make 100% no opportunist will hijack our struggle. none.

        so what is wrong in mentioning his name to see this video? I know he will not say sorry for his mistake. but it is to expose him to you and others. and as you have seen he was moving left and right to save his face.
        sorry for this long explanation, but I could have ignored if I don’t care . thank you.

        • Fnote Selam

          Dear Kokhob,

          Thanks for your kind reply, I was little concerned I may have crossed the line. Anyway, I want to emphasize that I dont mean to censor you or limit your right to defend your self and your position. As I said in reply to Hope, I invited myself to serve as mirror in brotherly spirit.

          I always enjoy your comments and poems and particularly your role in diffusing friction between Eris and Ethios in this forum.

          Thank you,

          FS.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank you FS,
            ordinary Ethiopians have suffered like us. they deserve all the respect. let me be honest with you they are victims of our intellectuals of those type and the Ethiopian governments.

            we Eritreans have always corrupted people. we have done a lot of mess in giving them chance.this time we should end the story. we don’t have just talk and talk to please those useless intellectuals. who paid all the price is the poor mass and the mass is ready now to end the game. one practical party is what we need to lead at this time so to let it clean from PFDJ spy who want to save the life of EPLF leadership.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Fnote Selam
        Thanks. That was the reason why I had to leave half emptied plates of Thanksgiving leftovers. I seldomly reply or engage KS. The reason is: there is little to gain by engaging him. In his mind, there are only two things wreathing and wiggling, every now and then giving him an itch. They are ELF and EPLF. I have long thrown him to the cold by telling him that I had known ELF before he set foot on Eritrean soil (haha…. abit exageration, he might have set foot visiting family from Bahr-Dar). Anyway, he was thrown to the dark on this issue. I reminded many that what happened 34 years ago is beyond our reach, and although I was there, I can’t really give an explanation as to why both leadership could not solve it peacefully. It was an Eritrean tragedy, let history treat it in order for future generations learn from it. BTW, Gen. Bitew had a book on it and he criticised EPLF’s quick action (his own actions, because he was a full member of the CC by that time). That does not mean ELF leadership has to be absolved. But coming to the organization and its gallant fighters, I grew with them, and I respect them; I consider them as equally committed to the liberation of their country. KS tries to be more catholic than the Pope. I don’t like bragging and boasting, but as you could see, the highlight of his resume is asking Alamin in a meeting, and acting as a trust soldier for wayane. I have concluded that replying to him on pageantry issues is not worth it (unless he focuses on substance). As I said before, I am a working man, I have limited time, and I want to spend that limited time with people I can learn from. I had bitter difference with Hayat Adem, but seldomly went so low in our debates. I really respect her for spelling our where she falls within the guesses and accusations that people were making. KS wants one leg on Ethiopia and the other one on Eritrea, and yet disguise himself as a justice fighter when all he offers (his prose and poems is crude ideas and violence). And he wants me to consider him as the ticketmaster!!! Another, disappointing comment came from Behe Y. I have no idea where he is coming from. Here he telling Eritrean mothers that the sacrifice of their children was in vein. It remminds me of the saying that the more you live the more of debris and hubris you hear. Now, they complain why these sort of attitudes have not gained traction. Well, Hafash is smarter than these deluded guys. Hafash is calculating. Hafash will make its full move when all elements alighn in the right direction. And then, these trusted soldiers and defenders of entities-other-than-Eritrean-interests will complain why they were left in the dark. Dah, Hafash is smarter thsan you dudes. Get your acts together, read the reality. Chgange is coming, but it is not the change you are looking for. Eritrean people, dismantrling justice, will preserve their history and build on it. I know you are saying “what’s wrong with this man?” Yes, sometimes, provocation said you, sometimes blant language is effective for those on whom “nlabam amtelu” doesn’t do good job. A total nuke confrontation is on its 11th hour (2300).

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Mahmuday,
          just keep it as it is.don’t edit it. of course this will be copied in my file. you will be ashamed more and more for all what you said above.

          Dear FS, please keep all the posts of Mahmuday and Kokhob and read them all till I come one day to expose him more. remember my world’s. the subject is not Mahmuday poor Mahmuday can do nothing and will not affect my journey but the lesson is more wider. just don’t forget this.

        • Hope

          Ahlen Ya Ustaz Mahmud!
          Please,ignore such rotten bravado and worthless provocation and keep pushing for a National Reconciliation through the TBS!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Hope,
            reconciliation will be done if your likes will be removed and all the crimes will be exposed. EPLF leadership and all those who kill our people should be penalized by any means .. say it in peaceful way, say it in war say what ever you want. all you will say is US and Weyane have done it and you will remain talking all your life.

          • Ted

            Hi, KS, you got it all twisted. The jeganu are ruling the country and albite bad management they accomplished what they set out to do,Kudos to them and sooner or later the right people will take over . You, my disgruntled friend, are free to talk and will be talking for long long long time. Thanks for PFDJ, there is more for your kind to talk, your thinking is damaged good that when it comes to politics “forget about it” no one touches you with 9ft pole. Talk; there will be people drowning, talk ;people will be imprisoned, talk; people live under the dark. Talk…… talk , whatever floats your bitter soul.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Hope
            I understand your concern. I don’t enjoy it either. Mudslinging and namecalling is an area I’ m not good at. I hoped yesterday it would end, and I gave the man a 12 hours time. You have seen what has been going on. There is a saying in Tigrigna “teHaxibka nab CheQa”. That’s what I feel, and it’s just boring. He wants me to say “sorry.” For what? Because I endured 14 years of bloody war after he left the field (mind you, the real bloody war occured after he left the field)? I have to say “sorry” because I sensed the loss of the ideal of “awet nHafash” early on and disassociated myself from PFDJ? Is it because I have not accepted his deviated narration of what is Eritrea? I mean what should I say sorry for? And who is he to ask me to say sorry? Sometimes, you reach a point where you have to draw the line in the sand. His version of opposition has been debunked, the sensible among his group are catching up with the new revolution, a real one based on people’s power. It is up to people like him to decide where they belong (south or north of the river). I have always said that people who depend on a foreign force (and an occupying force at that) are folks wqho have given up on their people. People are passing their virdicts. Devoted servants of Wayane could not be alternativeS TO pfdj. If you are having a bad dream under PFDJ expect that you will have long nightmarish nights under the rule of people like KS. That’s why they have been rejected time and again. Because Hafash is smart; Hafash calculates.
            Awet NHAFASH.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Mahmuday,
            all you have to do is ask pardon to people for serving your honest dictator. the end of EPLF already due and you should become smart now. forget about your past mistakes. I know about your story form A to Z. stop it before I put it in black and white.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan KS
            Please, don’t do that….. Is that Blackmailing? Actually, I’m through. I hope to meet you in a better note. The only Sorry isay is to the readers. I’m a simple father,a proud ex-EPLF member. I don’t allude to holding high offices/capacities, like you. I was a simple tegadalay then, and a simple father now. I was dragged to this level by you, and I regret that. However, your threats are just too cheap. As the saying goes, ” if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen, “you are trying to silence me using blackmailing tactics. Ygermena’lo. Bye.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Mahmuday not really,
            I am full armed about you. for me you are simple yes, but hey intelligent like fox. I am not trying to silence you no. but you are suppose to be silent as you are not that a real fighter as you keep telling us. so better for you, kab be’al kokhob yedhnka. Ethiopians say ” yemilushen bawqsh gebya balwetash”

            my friend, heroes are calling me (not form US or Weyane). I will be back to you soon.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Haha, are you fully armed about EPLF debunks or about MS? What MS does is debunking ELF and again showing us his dictatorial reformation movement that is taking place by the same killers junta from x-PFDJ ranks. But if you go to MS in person your debunks will be useless and worthless. Stop therefore and disarm yourself and reconcile if possible at personal level.

            @Mah@mahmud_saleh:disqus your chauvinism and shy politics has been exposed fully now. Please stop lecturing us about your reform agenda. It is all about other killers coming again on power.

            KS and MS if you are really capable of defending the reality check you could have exposed the naked Abi when he simply plays his wild card about the Eritrean struggle against killers from the south.

            te

          • Solomon Haile

            Selamat tes,

            I like you but if you disrespect the character and nothing BUT THE BEST for Eritrea and Eritreans, including for you and KS, by Harbegna Tegadalay MaHmud SaliH, then I too will have to draw the line in the sand in Ms’ side and debunk numerous falsified and imagined self characteristic by you and other fanatics.
            Kokhob Selam is Fareed! Ask him to tell us with all honesty. I too have amo.

            A wet n Hafash!
            tSAtSE

          • tes

            Dear Solomon Haile,

            Mutual respect is respected. but my point is here to stop personal calling. I read your long post and I took a note on Fareed and you. That was the reason why I interjected and stop a personal fight. Whether KS is Fareed or not is none of my issue. My issue is to stop disrespect at personal level.

            From the very beginning I have a reservation on both of them though I value so much their valuable inputs and relentless fight for justice in what ever form it is.

            hence if possible lets not take sides but call them for reconcilation. The reconcilation between EPLF and ELF will take time. At least until the end of the freedom fighters generation. from then onwards history will reconcile by itself.

            With respect

            Your younger brother
            tes

          • Solomon Haile

            Selamat tes,
            I will heed your call for calmer heads BUT please re read your attack on MS utilizing KS’ promised and yet to be delivered expose on MaHmud.
            My statement of siding was conditional. I said IF you attack MaHmud or any gourmet unjustly or through ridicule-/for example words like “shy, bloodthirsty, reforming murderes” without and substantiation THEN it will be an all out WAR on you. You see. MaHmud SaliH is a capable and brave Eritrean leader that I will gladly defend his preservation by defending by any means because I wholeheartedly believe MaHmud will play a VERY SIGNIFICANT AND KEY ROLE towards the realization of the JUST Eritrea All Eritreans and friends if Eritrea aspire for.
            A wet n Hafash!
            TsaTse

          • tes

            Dear Solomon Haile,

            I got you. Don’t think that my fight against Mahmud Saleh’s line of thinking started right now. We had a very tough time two years before and almost continued for a year. I stand always on my principle to fight against Mahmud Saleh’s line of thinking. Whether you side with him or not I will not compromise my stand. he knows we have differences and it is better if if keep that clean. Your intervention or defense won’t help. But make sure I am against his line of thinking where saay7 also belongs though recently I found myself more agreeing with saay7 than not. With Mahmud Saleh there is no change and I fight against his agenda as I believe it is not the justice that we are fighting for.

            Knowing this if you try to defend Mahmud Saleh welcome brother. I am afraid you may lose the battle ground as I am well capable of defending my stance and expose others naked.

            tes

          • Solomon Haile

            Selamat tes,

            Fair enough. But KS has not provided anything damning of MS’ character to be utilized by any one in support of a position the differ with MS. KS merely promised or threatened in either to silence or intimidate MS. Your logic is flawed. Mine was conditional yet you are certain of your victory of a war I have not declared against you. Be that as it may, my objective is NOT for a personal win against another person. Rather, it is for the victory of the Eritrean Masses in the long run. Ergo ” A wet n Hafash”. You may annihilate me en rout towards that goal but as long as the Capable Leader and Galant Tegadaly NaHmud SaliH triumphs and play his Key Role for Eritreans Peace, then I will gladly tilt to you and declare you Seyoum!
            Dear tes, I understand you suffered due as a consequence of war of all kinds including poverty in your life time,. I wish to see you whole and healed somewhat one day. The objective however is All of Eritrea and all Eritreans which includes you. In short, The Eritrean “Hafash”.
            A wet n Hafash!
            tSAtSE

          • tes

            Dear Solomon Haile,

            That is good point. What I said was not because you said something but in case as you put it in your conditioned remark. Therefore it is all for a potential tilts.

            Regarding MS’s stand for sure he is a galant fighter. But line of thinking matters. May be if you were reading Awate University was classified approximately into 6 line of thinking. And the major ones were the school of Fine thoughts lead by SGJ and School of Chauvinism lead by saay7 and Mahmud Saleh. Now there is also further division within the school of chauvnists after saay7 declared a major shift from MS on the sanction and COIE reports though the school is yet run by both.

            having these schools is good for the Eritrean political maturity. Personally I oppose the school of chauvinists strongly though I have no qualms with its existence.

            I love respecting line of thinking as that is my struggle: line of of thinking is nothing but political stances.

            keep in mind I do not have any qualms on ELF and EPLF history. I am all against PFDJ system and my struggle is to weed-out PFDJ. Any group, organization or individual who thinki to reform PFDJ is against my line of thinking. Though MS had travelled to clarify his way of struggle yet he is remaining shy to denounce PFDJ policies and administrative system. That is why I oppose him too.

            Your approach is so far fine with me. Problem might arise if you defend MS without considering his political line of thinking. if you did I have no option but to cluster yo together so that I can fight with one group.

            tes

          • Solomon Haile

            Selamat Tes Hawey,

            My SAT test scores, particularly in the essay portion of my lack of respect for any one in authority, netted me a rejection letter instead of acceptance letter from awate university. I believe SaliH Johar Gadhi’s words were: “We can not fill an already full cup. ” I ultimately gained admittance through bribes from my rich uncle. Now, SaliH Johar Ghadi has stated that nothing would give him more pleasure than to smash “these little annoying ants!” And that has some thing to do with the premtive destruction of Younus aka Ali Salim strategy of the School of Chauvinism. We will get to your knowledge from Aware U as well as mine. We will start with filling half full cups and I guarantee you I am capable if reconciling your views and MaHmuds. There are many rationales to the choices of stances and or view points we each adapt for our selves, you will agree.

            At present Dearest Tes, you must correct your pivoting on KS’ threat or promise as a gotcha to MS because KS has not delivered yet. You must retract that before you make KS a friend simply because he is the “enemy” of your enemy–view point wise. That is the problem with the early opposition who made Weyabe their friend despite having bitter enmity with Weyane themselves for the role Wetane played in dismantling ELF. Without considering whether or not the Eritrean Masses who just buried thousands of young Warsay, they gambled to enforce their will betting on Weyane to be Triumphant over EDF and Eritrean Political Leaders as well as Eritrean. That’s in the past…
            Looking forward
            You say both KS and MS don’t expose Abi for the murderous Derg…,
            The reason, at least speaking for MS is that MS nor almost all Eritreans want enmity or war with the Ethiopian people. Abi is welcomed in any Eritrean home no matter what views or intentions he may have for Eritrea or Eritreans in relation to Ethiopia. MS knows only WHAT ERITREANS DO towards one another to safeguard all that is good in Eritrea. Hence, the friendly banter with Abi. This could very well be the case with KS though I suspect KS was do affected a decade or so ago loosing–in his mind- yet another war to ShArbia’s TsaTse on aware.com that he went back and formed a base in baht-Dar to lead his guarilla war. This because TsaTse told Fareed back the. That HE who ran from shaEbia that has in our current predicament. Off course Berhe Y may have facilitated the logistics. This explains KS love exaggerated love for anything Ethiopian including music, food, language, Weyane ingenuity etc… And his very Cousy back and forth with Eyob Medhane and Abi.

            Now Dearest Tes, our first and foremost priority is RECONCILIATION of Eritreans. Everything else will follow in order. For this reason I guarantee you I will narrow the gap of differences between you and MaHmud. That Victory I am CERTAIN of. DaEemmen Awatista! A wet n Hafash! tSAtSE

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Solomon
            I thank you for the support. If I have a dream, it is to see an Eritrea that’s welcoming and hosting its children of different breeds and viewpoints. Our problem is not economic backwardness. We all had anticipated that Eritrea would go economically through tough times after its independence. But we failed to identify that we were walking on an active volcano. No tegadalay had planned to rule. As early as 1991, there was a heated debate as to whether to allow EPLF continue as it was or dissolve it right away and call for a popular election. Of course as it had been the modus operandi of IA, he left discussants with out a clearcut strategy and instruction as to which direction the organization should take. We later knew it was done purposely. What I will keep saying is that the opposition inside, opposition composed of the mass (tegadalay+ civil) who had toiled and sacrificed are counting their misgivings, they are becoming potent, new trends are emerging. Smart opposition members are channeling their message through reassuring Eritreans inside that they would not again be cheated; that they are the center; that they are the agents of change; that they are their own liberators; that they are the custodians of their future; that diaspora activities are limited to a catalyst role; that no form of government would be shoved in to their proper; that they will chose their own leaders….
            The reconciliation and reformation you, Abraham, and Ted are raising recognizes this fact. People inside the country are the primary agents of change. Of course, people who want to impose the agenda of making Eritrea an Ethiopian satellite, and the imposition of political formulas in the Alchemy factory of MeQele see this as a threat. Mind you prof.tes is not within this group. He is really angry and wants a quick miracle, nothing else. I hope he will see that miracle faster and earlier than I think will take for it to occur. That’s not a big issue to fight on. As long as one believes on the necessity of change, and that the people should be at the center of the process, we are all brothers-in-arms.
            I did try to reconcile different viewpoints and have created a concise formula in order to simplify ideas that seem light years apart when in fact they are revolving around the same hinge:
            a. the dismantlement of corrupted practices and values of PFDJ
            b. the weeding out of criminals who menaced our people and make them to answer to their crimes through due process
            c. the rehabilitation and reformation of state apparatus
            That’s my friend the Unified Field Theory of Eritrean politics (haha… you were talking days ago about Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, and may be his Unified Field Theory/). Good for me I did not have to sweat it out the way Einstein did. It’s all based on commonsense.
            Again thank you, and rest assured, I won’t budge by intimidations and blackmailing.

          • tes

            Dear Solomon Haile,

            KS belongs to different school of thought. His fight is not to install justice, the justice we the Eritreans are looking into. His struggle is to install Habeshanism. This is what justice for him is. For him, Eritrea and Ethiopia are the same.

            Henceforth I oppose his habeshanism agenda as openly and it is the point where I don’t see face to face with him.

            Now understand me from which angle I am coming.

            Personally I a pro-humanist. I care on humanism in totality. I don’t select one and fight for it. This line of mine is putting me at odd with many school of thoughts here at this great university.

            I believe on humanism and I fight for it.

            Your younger brother

            tes

          • Solomon Haile

            MerHaba tes,

            We shall continue to fill one another’s half full
            Cup both from the professors at Awate University and one another. I my self studied philosophy under Dr. Newton Garver at Baldy Hall in Buffalo. I was just mentionioning it to MaHmud that a 2012 University at Buffalo Law graduate at Located at Baldy Hall in Amherst is now part of the American President Obama’s Cabin. He is featured on EastAfro.

            But since you are in France and more than likely fluent in French, if you have not read it I want to recommend the same book I recommended to PTS. I think you will find a lot you can relate with. The book is Voltair’s Candeed. The last time I read it was in 1986/7 but am willing to read it again, and maybe we can discuss it briefly. I would love for you to google also Dr. Newton Garver and read his writings particularly on Nicaraguas Sandanistas.

            To The East Ma Brothers And Sisters To The East!
            tSAtSE

          • AOsman

            Dear Solomon,

            Few days back when Nitricc mentioned old forumers, Fareed (pen name) is one that came to mind. I used to like his peeling like onion, his bullet point shooting. I could say like you that Kokhob Selam is Fareed, but what would be the discovery? Linking 2 pen names, gets you nothing.

            I don’t understand how the quarrel between KS and MS began, it was waste of time on their part to lead to nowhere. As it reached its crescendo and I thought we were about to move on from the two fights of the week, Tes is back to hit two birds with one stone :)…you want to draw a line….man let it go we will find other interesting issues to discuss in the coming few days.

            One last point, today you are not writing in codes, keep it that simple as most of the time am struggling to read what Tsatse is saying….To the East (to be adopted as replacement to Awet n-Hafash :))

            Regards
            AOsman

          • tes

            Dear AOsman,

            Actually these days I have little time to engage as I wished. I am rather preferring to read. While reading if I see disturbing lines and without any positive inputs I drop some lines wishing the coarse to be changed.

            Dear AOsman, if it was possible at my level capacity I could have ended the ELF-EPLF debunks today, just at this time. It is dragging us. And when I see individuals go to a personal leve and use those arms to defend themselves as if defending the bigger house I see a flaw and I react.

            Else stay safe I am happy always to see this university attracting diverse ideas and growing fast than I can catch-up.

            tes

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Tes,

            I don’t know why you and your likes have such an allergy against the idea of reform. If reform means:

            -the removal of the current PFDJ leadership, and ending its overall monopolies
            -the release of all political prisoners and other prisoners of conscience
            -the bringing to court of law all those who’ve been committing crimes against the Eritrean people
            -the establishment of constitutionalism and rule of law
            -the opening of the space for political pluralism
            -the restoration of freedom of expression, organization, belief, etc

            So let it be! Nothing is wrong with Reform; bring it, what more do we want?

            The ideas I’ve enumerated above have far more substance to the Eritrean people than the meanigless “weed out” chanting.

          • tes

            Dear Abraham Hanibal,

            What you listed is not reform but creating a new environment. And my struggle is all what you have listed. Reform I am talking is therefore not what you have listed.

            tes

          • Abraham Hanibal

            Dear Tes,

            I don’t see any difference between reform and “creating a new environment”; there is no limit to reform; it can extend upto abolishing what we’ve now and putting in place a new much better system. The G15 called for all the issues I mentioned; so did Wedi Ali and his comrades, yet these are dismissed as “reformers” by some quarters in the Eritrean opposition. Many ex-EPLF/PFDJ elements who try to contribute to the ongoing struggle against the Isayas regime are seen by suspicion and branded as “reformists”. My opinion is instead of playing on useless semantics and spreading mistrust among us; lets put in detail what kind of change we are aspiring for ; because we might be simply speaking past each other, even though we’ve similar intentions.

          • tes

            Dear Abraham Hanibal,

            Reform is reform. You just modify what it has existed.

            New environment is new environment. To create a new environment you don’t modify but establish. the word “creating” has a clear meaning if you are all honest on word usage.

            Indeed there are reformers. These reformers are hijacking the more than 20 years struggle against PFDJ. They need to be exposed and challenged.

            tes

          • Ted

            Hi, AH, tes’s way of reform is rounding up every thing PFDJ to dungeon.It is ludicrous to say the least. Things need to happen gradually. First and foremost what we need(NOW) is the rule of law were people are respected as citizens. We would been in different place now if we all were to agree to influence the Gov to change its ways. Unfortunately it has become a personal vendetta to score points for whatever happens in the past.

          • tes

            Hi Ted,

            Stop please speaking on behalf of me unless you want to put your dictatorial system on me.

            tes

          • Ted

            Hi, tes, you are one emotional dude changing what you stand for with every demonstration slogan or news. Is there a club you didn’t attack to go back kiss their behind after, none. i wouldn’t be surprised if you go after or want to be member of women association too.

          • tes

            Dear Ted,

            Why not? I would be very glad if I become member of women’s association. Hating women’s association is typical PFDJ syndrome.

            By the way why you and your organization (PFDj) hates women’s association?

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            Looks like you like to bring my name every time you are intoxicated. Do I also come in your dreams?
            How is Abi exposed here? What do you accomplish by exposing Abi?
            In case you don’t know , Abi is nobody. He is one proud Ethiopian . Period.

            ” Aba bebelu emahoyin agesachew.”
            Leave me alone. I’m watching a game.
            Merci.
            PS
            Vet Mahmud is not in your league. Fara!

          • tes

            Hi Abi,

            Deaf man. You are one crap ethiopian here. Your nakedness has no limits when you were exposed once. Now like the donkey, you are just making a loud hee-haw.

            tes

          • Abi

            Tes
            Libe Birhan
            Ok . I’m exposed. I am member of PFDJ. I am writing from Aba Shawl. The question is what are you going to do with it ? I’m just kidding. I’m member of Derg /esepa from Arat Kilo. So what? What are you going to do?
            Wait! I’m TPLF from dedebit. Tell me what you can do ? As you said my nakedness has no limits. The question is what are you going to do ? Nothing. Because you are a piece of nothing.

          • tes

            Hi Abi,

            I will let you dig your own grave though you are already a dead man.

            By the way how is your eye glass? Are they ok to see things beyond the wiskey? Your generals were using public money to buy expensive alcohol and play with innocent people after they got drunk. Was it the wiskey that was pushing them to kill all these innocent people?

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            I see you are emotionally a disturbed person. You love to talk about death, grave, burial, grave yard and all the ugly things in life.
            Why don’t you see a shrink? You really need help. It is sad to see a promising young lad wasted in alcohol.
            BTW, it is not wiskey. Don’t talk about things you don’t know. Try again.
            The rest of your comment is the usual hot Tussssss. I’m writing holding my nose.

          • tes

            Hi Abi,

            Yes you are right when you see on me this emotionally disturbed person who love to talk about death, grave, burial, grave yard etc. Yes you are right. But what you are missing is how I owned these trends.

            Since you are deaf and blind who simply makes a hee-haw sound, I would like to write you this if your deteriorating eyes are helping you to read properly.

            Your fathers from the South, who used to drink expensive alcoholic drinks(Assab port has exposed all these secrets) didn’t leave me with calm mind. All they left behind is horrific things. It is all about torture, killings, graves, death and crimes. When I read people like Abi I am reminded with those acts.

            Second: PFDJ continued the same coarse like those rulers from the South and hence magnified my disturbed emotions. In my life time all I read, hear and see is all abut horrific tragedies.

            Therefore, yes you are right, I have a disturbed emotions. But my disturbed emotions are not vague. They are born out of historical discourses. Unfortunately you are here to let these emotions come out from deep inside. I thank you though for letting me to express my emotions.I have yet more horrific and disturbing emotions stored deep inside my heart. If you had any trace of humanity, you could have not touched these feelings. If they come out fully, no limit will be established to stop them. They are like hydrogen bombs. If you let them calm, they will give you water and they will be for life. If you continue to agitate them they will destroy life.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            The only thing Asab exposed is the port thief acting like a scavenger.
            Sorry you chose alcohol to cover your emotional disturbance. Join your local AA. Your joining of a women club is also a great move. It helps you in regards with your other disturbances or confusions. I think you are in the right city to be whoever you want to be. Just make sure to put on your best skirt when you go to your women club functions . Dress to empress! Good Luck.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear tes
            You may not agree with my “line of thinking” haha…anyway, I am just curious how you characterize me a person who debunks ELF? Can you bring an ecample? Are not you who said that I was safe on this issues? Di not I say repeatedly that ELF is an Eritrean heritage? Did not I say repeat3edly that ELF heroes are mine too? Did not I say that ELF symbols and slogans are mine too? I mean how did you get to that? Just curious.
            What I should not do is placing SGJ, AH, Tzigereda…in the same basket with KS. In my opinion, KS could not be an image of the HISTORICAL ELF. No. That would be a disgrace. I will hopefully, soon, encourage awate team to dig into ELF history and bring to us threads that connect us (our heroes from the other side). I have been following ELF activities on radio NAZ and it was an eye opening experience. I always believed, at base and tegadalay level, there was no difference in our aspirations, motives, characters, and goals. Therefore, please don’t insinuate it as if a debate on the debunking of either organization is in progress. No. There is no such an issue. Actually, there was no debate, because there was nothing to debate on. This is an unfortunate situation where I was dragged into a dirty fight. I have already expressed my regret to the forum for letting it degress to that level. As far as reform or not, I have never proposed either/OR. That type of authority is left for the giants of our politics. As much as I try to respect your say, I ask you to respect mine too. I will criticize PFDJ the way I know well. It could be “shy” to you. Well, go aggressive on them little bro. The field is open.
            Awet nHafash.

          • tes

            Dear Mahmud Saleh,

            There are dozens of lines that you constantly dropped your lines to debunk ELF. I won’t extract for you as you know them well where exactly you have dropped these lines.

            Look when I oppose those with reform agenda including you it is not out of dust. it is based on reality check.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            Abi is passing time. he enjoy talking with us. why are you after him. you must just enjoy his jokes and forget the things you don’t love.

            for you it is important now to have stand. PFDJ is trying to call reformists as the situation is going bad over there. and as you know reformers ware begging him. again he is trying to prolong his life and of course those cheap reformers will start dancing. the honeymoon will be for another some years. believe me both are good couple, now it is time to call those innocent once who are really clean from blood. others, they will continue barking now and they will join PFDJ. and that is good ርስሓት ብሓደ ይተ ኣከብ::

          • Nitricc

            Hi KS, I am not following what the argument is but I don’t think you have the right to talk to people with manner and tone you are expressing your self. What exactly is your beef? Some times a man has to know its limitations. This forum is not a battle ground for personal grudges.
            Come on man. You are better than this.

          • Mesfin

            Nitricc

            Well done! For the first time I am reading good comments from you. You are right: KS is better than this. A fight between ex-ELF verse ex-EPLF, which was supposed to end long ago. Mahmud and Kokhob should come to their sense and stop this nonsense fight. Both of them should look for commen grounds and move forward. But I don’t know who you are? I am sure that you are living in a country that is democratic. In the country, there are more than two political parties. Can’t you imagine that it would be nice for Eritreans to live in a similar state. You were ‘left shoe for the right’ for some time.

            As for a start: watch camera wegahta and tell us what your view is on it.

            Regards.
            Mesfin.

          • Hope

            Dear K x:
            Anta Hadami …..
            [From moderator: DELETED. We are done with this subject of ELF-EPLF defamation.]

      • Hope

        Forgive him,Dear FS:
        He is still living in 1970s and 80s!
        His fake name should be revoked from him and should be replaced with Kokhob Tsilii’ /Grudge or Star of Revenge!
        May the Lord have Mercy on him!
        For God’s sake,we are living in the 21st Centuary and we have to work for a National Reconciliation!

        Please Kokhob xxxxx,go to Kenya and join the Medrekh sponsored Meeting of the Eritrean Parties!

        • Fnote Selam

          Dear Hope,

          I absolutely disagree with your characterization of Kokhob here. I have utmost respect for the man and his comments. My reply to him was based on the mere fact that we need to be each other’s mirror every now and then.

          …With all respect to you…

          FS.