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An Open Letter to My Friend

This story revolves around the early memories of my upbringing that shaped my identity.  In all conscience, it is neither a riveting story nor based on exaggerated psychological self-assessment of my past; it is just a modest soul-searching endeavour accompanied by some indulgence in retrospection.

Why do I find it important to write about this rather quirky story of my past and my old neighbourhood in this era when dreams are being shattered, lives devastated and souls fractured in Eritrea?

The answer is simple.  Weaving my childhood memories into a story does not only help me to contextualise my roots but it also helps me to assess the journey of my adult life. In other words, it is a form of juxtaposition of Eritrea’s past history to its current quandaries via my personal diaries.

What’s more, I find rooting through old relics of my past very therapeutic.  But more importantly, this exercise helps me to depict the profile of an old friend with whom we do not see eye to eye anymore over what has become of Eritrea.  I can say we were once brothers, but somehow ‘Eritrean Independence’ got between us.

The Maibela Neighbourhood

My childhood memories are formed in Asmara, in general, and the Maibela area, in particular. Life was simple in the old neighbourhood.  On the whole, I can say it was the age of innocence.  Who would have thought that Eritreans were going to be forced to choose between conformity and exile decades later during the ‘independence’ era?

Our neighbourhood was fenced by Paradiso, the former Aba Mechal Police Station, Ambagagliano, Mr. Sunabara’s SATAE Garage across the Maibela River, and the former Ethiopian Army garrison mostly known as Forto, short form of Forte Baldissera – a fort built on a plateau overlooking the valley of Maibela. Before the City built the Teachers Training Institute and the Stadium in the middle of our neighbourhood, we had the entire area to ourselves.

We, the neighbourhood children, called ourselves ‘deqi-maibela’ (the Maibela Children) as if we owned the polluted river that split Asmara into two.  Actually, we hardly knew where the Maibela water rushed after St Joseph’s Catholic Church and Villaggio Genio, let alone understand the role it played in the development of the city.  BTW, the Villaggio Genio quarters (Villaggio Indigeno) were lodgings for the local populations built behind the Forto army base.  But as far as we were concerned, the Maibela River was ours, notwithstanding the facts.

The river has a long history in the development of Asmara; but as the city population grew by leaps and bounds it turned into a whiffy sewage system. Years later, during the Haregot-Abay mayorship (6os), it was covered by building roads over it throughout the city. And Maibela was no more.

The features that stood out the most of that era were, comparatively speaking, life was less stressful then; family values used to guide and mould our lives; there was coherence and interdependence among community members; the communities took care of themselves and their own affairs; there was enough food to go around; there was no lack of fuel, electricity and water supplies; and there were ample jobs to go around in the private sector.

The Old Gang

Our neighbourhood was at the centre of our world.  Aboy Semere was the de facto mayor of our community.  Life revolved around his dignified existence and his grocery shop. Families with limited disposable income could use the ‘booklet system’ to buy groceries from his shop – kind of a promissory note to settle amount owed until pay-day. It was all based on trust and kindness – with no interest charged.  Basically, the community relied on Aboy Semere for many things.

We, the neighbourhood kids, used to assemble in front of the shop to exchange our daily escapades. Many a times we played football around the shop without proper balls – balls made out of layered old socks.  We played hide and seek, banditi (cops and bandits), salvati (tag games) in our backstreets as if there was no tomorrow.  We also played marbles until dusk. To this day I wonder why we had to spit-shine them again and again … spit-shining them did not help us a bit to win more games.

Another favourite game of ours was the Akat game (spinning top).  We would insert a nail into a sizeable Akat seed (the inner kernel of the Doum Nut) and then set it in motion by briskly pulling a thin rope tightly coiled around the body.  The amount of work that went into making the Akat spinning top is literally indescribable.

When bored, we would lie down on the surrounding meadows to watch the clouds pass by; and when in mood we would chase butterflies with tree branches during the sweltering midday sun.

During the rainy season the quick and heavy downpours transformed the nature around our neighbourhood.  We would play out in the rain and then wait for the rainbow to spruce up the sky. We had fun; and we thought childhood would never end.

To name a few members that made up the Maibela squad, Ismail, Bereket, Armando, Hans, Fessehaie, Alem,  Mohamed , Berhane ChaliQue, Mikiel  Forma , my brother Yosief and of course, Asmellash, the quietest of us all.

Ismail was our best footballer, Bereket was the cleverest, Berhane was the funniest and Hans was the story teller.  Lucky Hans used to go to the cinema every week; he would then tell us endless stories of Tarzan, Django, Maciste – the Hercules-like figure – and more.  It was an era of Westerns, and John Wayne was king.  BTW, except in Cinema Roma, most cinemas in Asmara used to show movies in Italian – American movies were dubbed into Italian.

To put it in simple terms, in the end the future caught up with us.  As the Eritrean youth were struck by the ‘liberation’ bug, neighbourhoods began to fragment, and the Maibela squad simply dispersed. Years later, we came to realise that the future and that very liberation drive did not hold much for us.  Of course, except for Asmellash.

No one thought that Eritrea would create an emotional entanglement in us and become a contradiction in terms. We dreamed big and the dreams simply frittered away after the armed struggle came to an end.  Yes, we never imagined that Eritrea would suffer from chronic relapses after liberation. ‘Liberation’ was supposed to help us realise our dreams, and not contribute to a situation worse off than the Haileselassie and Dergue eras.

Eritrea’s affliction manifested itself as the unelected president began to posture as if the country ‘needed’ him more than democracy. It soon became apparent that President Isaias Afwerki could not ‘afford’ to leave the democratic process to elections.  He could not leave elections to the ordinary people because he sensed he could be voted out of office. That is why he, together with his abettors, hijacked the outcome of the costly struggle by creating numerous pretexts and contrived contexts.  Unfortunately, my friend Asmellash has been there with him all along.

My friend Asmellash Abraha Woldu

Often times I think about the whereabouts of the old gang.  Sadly, most of the Maibela kids left the country, some were martyred in the battlefields of Eritrea, one died in a car accident, and I believe the only one still living in Asmara is Asmellash.

Asmellash and I became good friends during our teenage years.  Bereket was also close but he did not hang around much with us for he was too busy in his family’s business.

Asmellash was a quiet booklover who was ahead of everyone in every sense of the word.  He read and read, and read some more.  He loved to read so much he would stay up all night to read serious books while I was still fiddling with lighter reading.

His reading habits started with American comic books.  We had plenty of reading material in the city because the American GIs and their dependents would read and discard comic books, magazines, books and newspapers. The local street vendors would collect them from the house boys and girls (employed by the military personnel and their dependents) and sell them to us. Che, a big and tall street vendor, was one of our main suppliers.

Asmellash was hooked on Marvel Comics.  Stan Lee was his favourite writer/editor/producer who was best known for the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, the Avengers, Daredevil, and the X-Men. He loved them all dearly.  His most favourite comic book was ‘Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos’ – an elite special unit that fought missions during WWII.  He also read MAD, a brainy humour magazine, which published satire on all aspects of American life and popular culture, politics, entertainment, and public figures. One can say that Asmellash had acquired a good grasp of the Western way of life, particularly American, without leaving Asmara.

In my adult life, whenever my mind strolls down memory lane, it always finds its way back to the old neighbourhood. There I find Asmellash flipping through pages of Boris Karloff’s tales of mystery, Ripleys Believe it or Not, which featured horror stories and odd facts from around the world respectively.  Moreover, I see him leafing through Alfred Hitchcock’s stories and images. Alfred Hitchcock was one of the most influential filmmakers in the history of cinema.

I do not remember Asmellash, like many of us, ever exhibiting any nationalist tendencies, or ever dreaming of joining the liberation front; it just happened.  He did not dream of becoming a media man during and after the armed struggle; I am sure it just happened.  He was so well-read I always thought he was going to embark on a collegiate journey; and as far as I was concerned, he was supposed to produce great literary works.  I can say he neither intended nor envisaged of putting himself at the service of the greatest dictator Eritrea has ever seen; I guess that just happened too.

At Comboni College

Asmellash, in the late 60s and early 70s, was a serious student at Comboni College – secondary school setup by Italian Catholics Church. I remember that he was fond of Father Rossi, a frail science teacher whose voice was barely audible. He would mimic Father Rossi playfully while going over lesson plans. He was also fond of Father Menegati, a stocky, energetic English/Geography teacher who rode around the city in his motorbike.  Father Menegati ran the school library; and I can say he was the one who instilled the love of the English language into Asmellash.

In secondary school, Asmellash’s friends were Prince, Haile, Ali Bafeghi and some seminarians (fratelli from La Salle). He was not much of a football player but he loved to play volleyball with them.  In fact, he was very good at it. Asmellash could nail the ball and at times, he would dare to block Prince’s smashes which were not easily stoppable.

From the school staff who had the most impact on Asmellash was Father Charles, the indomitable head teacher who kept students on their toes.  Asmellash looked up to Father Charles.  Essentially, the inspiration of the head teacher was what taught Asmellash fine manners, studiousness and diligence.  In other words, the Catholic School was crucial in raising him and shaping the qualities and traits of his character.

I am sure, in his solemn moments, Asmellash revisits his youth to have a heartfelt chat with his former mentors at Comboni College.  What I am not sure of is whether he is capable to strike up a candid conversation with Father Charles at all.  Would Asmellash be able to answer questions regarding the illicit stripping away, closures and seizures of the Catholic Church institutions by the regime?

Asmellash, being a principal constituent of the regime, must have looked the other way when the very institution that taught him decency and the right principles of human conduct was ripped to pieces.  I guess it is not wrong when they say that politics makes strange bedfellows.

Every time I see Asmellash on ERI-TV I kind of wince, unable to fathom how we will face each other after Eritrea’s ordeal comes to an end.  Will my heart be forgiving enough to welcome him after leading a life of an activist for decades?  Will he be forgiving enough to welcome me as an old friend knowing full well I opposed the illegitimate government he served all those years?  Will we frankly discuss why many Eritreans have fallen by the wayside while others, the few who usurped power, are frolicking? Will we discuss why many Eritreans are living with their scars and many more are still sailing through their troubles?

Actually I am not too concerned about how we would react towards each other for I realise there is a price to pay for what we do and for what we become in life. Since I am not done with reminiscing about the good old days in the Maibela neighbourhood, let me add a couple of recollections that describe my friend Asmellash.

A Fleeting Glance at Eritrea’s Raging Past

During the Dergue era (military rule) Asmellash travelled to the Soviet Union on an Ethiopian government scholarship.  I travelled to Italy to join my mother.  A couple of years later I heard that Asmellash had joined the front to take part in the armed struggle. I quite admired him for his courage and that very leap of faith.

The Eritrean armed struggle (1961-1991) was a very brutal conflict. The freedom fighters fought the occupying Ethiopian forces using very daring and gruesome guerrilla warfare such as hit and run ambush tactics, booby traps, and even sending human waves of young fighters at encampments.  The armed struggle was so intense it consumed a generation of young lives.

The effect of the armed struggle on Eritrean society was profound. The duration of the punishing struggle, the friction and division between the two antagonistic factions within the same struggle, the unimaginable human and material losses, the relentless displacements of the population and the sacrifices the civilians made to support the cause completely changed the demography, social makeup, attitudes and standpoints within the society. After a generation of Eritreans had given their blood, sweat, and tears to the cause, Eritrea won its independence in May 1991. Independence brought joy and relief to Eritreans in and out of the country.  I was relieved to learn that Asmellash had returned safely to Asmara with the victorious freedom fighters.

In early 1992, when I met Asmellash in Asmara, that is after independence, my mind went straight back to the days when we were boys.  I noticed the changes in him right away. We did not communicate in the language that we were used to – to ‘jive talk’ in mixed Tigrinya and English.  I noticed his conversation was mostly confined to hyping ‘sewra’, the revolution, and how the enemy took a battering in the battlefields.  It was implicitly understood the combatants did also take a battering which was not part of the banter.

The first thing that came to mind was silly things such as the A.B.C. Murders – a work of a detective fiction by British writer Agatha Christie, featuring her characters Hercule Poirot, Arthur Hastings and Chief Inspector Japp.  My friend was so fond of Poirot I thought I heard him mimic him by saying “It is the little grey cells, n’est-ce pas, mon ami?”  That was all in my imagination; instead, he was mimicking Wuchu’s phrases – full of bluster and bravado.  The late Wuchu was a gallant ex-fighter who turned into a notorious general after independence.

No mention was made of books, childhood recollections, or where the country was heading. But my mind refused to let go of the insatiable appetite he used to have for reading and learning.

I was there when Asmellash developed his intellect and transitioned from reading straightforward books to sophisticated ones during the early days.  I remember when he put aside the Hardy Boys, Agatha Christie books and started reading bestsellers such as the Anatomy of a Murder (by Robert Traver), Leon Uris’ Exodus, The Day of the Jackal, a thriller by Frederick Forsyth and more.  He understood the parable about the seagull in Jonathan Livingston Seagull, written by Richard Bach while I couldn’t make heads or tails of that book.

In the story, Jonathan Livingston Seagull is no ordinary bird; the story models courage in breaking away from the small-minded control freaks and the discovering of the limitless nature of the mind and the spirit. The gull longs to be in control of his own life. I wonder how Asmellash would feel now had he had the opportunity to re-read his favourite book of his teenage years.

Looking back, I can confidently say that Asmellash knew more about the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate scandal than any local journalist in the country at the time.  I would like to remind the reader that Asmellash was just a youngster then living in a remote part of Africa. Pentagon Papers dealt with the secret bombings by the US in Indochina; and Watergate was President Nixon’s political scandal that took place from 1972 to 1974, which eventually led to his resignation.

Again, Asmellash could discuss the activities of J. Edgar Hoover, the all too powerful FBI director of the time who was accused of violating civil liberties for the sake of national security and who always exaggerated the threat of communism to suit his disposition.

Frankly, those unique curiosities Asmellash exhibited were mumbo jumbo to me then.  He was just a teenager who was keen on exploring the other side of the world.  He was even interested in exchanging letters with his American pen pals – an undertaking which was one-off back then.  I remember sitting on the stairs that led to his house reading all the replies he had received from his friends. He used to receive more letters than he could handle; then again, it was fun reading them.

Sometimes I stop and think about those memories just in case they lose their meaning to me as I grow older.  However, I cannot understand why I am finding it difficult to put the images of the old and the new Asmellash side by side for the sake of comparison. How can a free-spirited youngster like him embrace a straitjacketed lifestyle in his adult life?

With his practical wisdom, temperance, justice, and the other ethical virtues, I can say that Asmellash was adequately equipped to live a life of thought and discussion; he could have lived a life of a philosopher.  I believe his current political life, as the director of ERI-TV, has a major defect, because life within the PFDJ (the government’s party) is a life devoid of contemplation, philosophical understanding and activity.

I have always wanted to ask my friend whether my supposition regarding complicity is right, and whether it applies to all of us. They say: “If you see fraud and do not say fraud, you are a fraud.”  The ominous pretence and booming silence will one day come back to haunt us when our lives will be aligned.

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  • Samuel

    Selam All,
    Let me share my understanding of POWER relations/calculus in our region. If I am not mistaken Ismail AA has raised an interesting question about POWER calculus. Let me share my opinion, you are welcome to share and criticize.

    From Ismail AA to GitSAtSE — Of course you would forgive me if I mess up with some calculus concerning power relations. It is just simple arithmetic of putting side by side what an Abij- Isayas alliance possess against what TPLF- Ato Mesfin Hagos lead alliance could count for.

    When it comes to the politics of the region and the way we measure POWER seems to lack certain factors that helps us to evaluate. Sometimes it could seem personal wish rather than something that resembles to the reality on the ground. Even though we all have our own biasness and interests but there should be some kind of bases/factors how get into certain conclusion.

    Even though there are other ways to measure POWER, but in my opinion considering our region there are five important factors that can help us to analyze the power calculus of each important political actors in the region. I do believe strong power emanates from —:

    1. Grassroot support
    2. Strong collective leadership and political stability
    3. Military hardware
    4. Military readiness, desire and purpose — This is more of physical and psychological readiness.
    5. Media — Not just to own media but how to use it to acquire support and to define and “isolate” your enemy from the general public. How to use media for long-term win rather than short-term gains. Its kind of winning a battle vs winning a war.

    Naturally, populist individuals are more interested to win battles rather than a war, they are more interested to appease their supporters by winning battles (doing or throwing smaller things) instead of following longer term strategy that can give them greater win, for themselves and the greater society. My opinion.

    Note that the following rating is my opinion based on my sources, we can disagree on this, but it can help us to analyze how we arrive into our conclusions.

    IA:
    IA have #3 and #5 but he lacks on #1, #2 and #4. Generally he lacks grassroot support and his military lacks the readiness, desire and purpose. Exhausted and frustrated from long service.

    Note that if IA had/has all the above POWER factors he would have done his dream long time back. He chose to hibernate for 20 years, after 20 years Abiy woke him up to extend his ICU life. The fact is, as of today IA power is reduced to the level which is not that much a threat to neighbor countries. I didn’t say Eritrea power, I said IA power, because power is the sum of all of the above factors.

    Note that when I say he “lacks” I am generally using below 50% threshold. For example, based on what I have heard (not publicly published), there was a sentiment analysis pool that was done during the border opening in Eritrea, IA have below 50% support, 35 to 40% support.

    PMAA:
    He lacks #1, #2, and #4, however he has #3 and #5 (the problem here is he uses it for short term gains instead of his greater strategy)

    What most people keep missing or don’t know about Ethiopia is — Ethiopia’s power and Abiy’s power are two different things.

    Take the Ethiopia National Defense Force (ENDF) for example, it is true Abiy can order the force for national matters — sovereignty related and national state of emergency, however internal matters are different story. He can’t declare war against one regional state and use ENDF. The ENDF main mission is to protect the country and Nation Nationalities. Thus, he can’t declare war against one regional state, it’s unconstitutional. You have to understand how the ENDF has been built through out the years. Some individuals have theoretical bases for their argument, however the reality is different. Just because he is a PM it doesn’t mean he can do whatever he wants against one regional state.

    Note that after the death of Seare what Abiy did was he started to prepare his own special force that has similar military uniform as ENDF. The military uniform that you see on the streets isn’t really the actual defense force uniform, in most part. In Oromia there are two special forces — Oromia regional state special force and Abiy special force. It’s complicated, but my advice is try to understand the situation on the ground.

    Generally PMAA (federal level):
    • Don’t have grassroot support
    • Don’t have strong leadership and political stability
    • He has Military hardware but not so much Military readiness, desire and purpose, they lack experience a lot, they are new graduates.
    • He owns many media channels but they are focusing on short term gains. Remember that he governs 100 million people, thus he has to be careful his narrative not to alienate certain section of the public.

    Note that you have to add Amhara politics and Oromo politics into this mix because both elites are using Abiy for their own interests. In reality Abiy is in neither camp, but he has certain fondness to previous regimes (Menelik and HS), which has made him to side with Amhara elites. Probably after last incident the equation could be different.
    Amhara elites are very tactical in their narrative, they are trying to claim Abiy as their own because he is the only chance they have left to get power if possible (remote possibility), in reality he isn’t. Oromo elites the same thing (whoever left, Shimelis?). Thus, Abiy is an island without any constituency. The noise you see is on media, when it comes to POWER calculus, not so much.

    Abiy’s last resort is IA and his sponsors (The west and The gulf states).

    Tigray:
    • Strong grassroot support,
    • Strong leadership and political stability — it has better collective leadership than IA and PMAA. Both IA and PMAA believe in singular leadership.
    • Military hardware — even though Tigray don’t have its own military it has well trained special force, very well experienced leaders. It has enough hardware to do the necessary job. In addition to that 60 to 70% of ENDF military hardware is still in Tigray boarder, thus you can do your own math.
    • Military readiness, desire and purpose — The readiness, desire and purpose is at all time high.
    • Media — even though it is not as many as PMAA (he owns state media and others) it has its own influence in Ethiopia. The last few months Tigray TV and DW TV are the most viewed channels in Ethiopia (per channel comparison). They were successful in isolating Abiy from the general public, in defining him who really is, Derg 2.0, they are successful on that narrative.

    Final point — It is true that Abiy can close the internet, electricity, Tele, etc in Tigray, but closing those utilities has a limit; for how long can he close the utilities? If it passes certain threshold it comes down to Darwinian theory.

    I hope this helps ….

    Thanks,

    • Paulos

      Selam Samuel,

      You really are into something. This is high dose stuff where the Awate Editors are itching if they have to frame it in an article format to be published on front page. Is this dude Samuel, Debretsion or Getachew goes the murmur in the Forum for I am personally starting to suspect as such as well. You ain’t joke my brother. You ain’t joke at all. Who ever you are in real life, that is one hell of an assessment!

      • Samuel

        Thank you, Paulos!! I appreciate that.

        Thanks,

        • Paulos

          Selam Samuel,

          Please keep them coming. Don’t be afraid of no one for the truth is on your side. As you can see the bigots and racists are frustrated for they can not stand Tigrai standing tall. Remember, the majority of Eritreans are with you!

          • Abi

            Paul
            Either You don’t know Eritreans or underestimating them.
            You must be speaking from the Agazians point of view.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Interesting, የኢሰፓ ኣባል is telling an Eritrean he doesn’t know Eritreans. This is getting even more interesting.
            BTW, the guy who claim the head of ኣግኣዝያን is from ጸዓዘጋ, ሓማሴን not ትግራይ. Let’s chime on that.

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            ኣቢ ኣብ እንዳ ኽሻ ኣባጦር ከይነበረት ኣይትተርፍን’ያ መሰታና ኣይመስለንን ኦታንታ ትገብር’ያ ዕድሚኣ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ከምኡ ‘ያ ትመስል ‘ዛ ሰብኣይ, ዶተረ!

          • Abi

            MM
            የአግአዚ ምልምል አባል
            I think you are overcharged tonight. Go back to the charging station and do something before you burn your fuses. The smoke coming out of your ears is negatively affecting your judgment. I hear a fire alarm going off.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            The 80 yrs old ኣባት ጦር [no offense to my elders], I despise the so called ኣግኣዝያን guys for few reasons:
            1. Eritrea belongs to Muslims, Christians & non believers. I don’t care what any person believes. God neither asks nor needs my help, since he has more power than anyone else in this world [if you believe in God that is]
            2. They have no idea what ኣግኣዝያን means. They have hijacked it.
            3. I stand for every religion. I am probably one of the few who believes the Jeberties should have their own Biher. Actually, they should claim. No one should tell them they shouldn’t.
            4. I am not a part time opposition member, like the few guys who turn into opposition, say, when the devil closes the 21 Catholic clinics but fall back to their default [HGDF], when the whole country is on fire. We have few of them like that in this forum.
            4. As I said before, I am an independent contractor. I am here to please no one. I am neither a parrot nor a robot.

          • Lebam

            Selam MM,

            That’s good and I hope you mean it. However, the way you and the other “Eritreans” are siding with TPLF is very unusual, even more so irl.

            My 2 cents

          • Abi

            Libam
            I hate to agree with you.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Lebam,
            As I said before, I am here to please no one. I lost so much and when I see someone is telling me what you are saying like this is an insult to me.
            My immediate priority is not to lose Eritrea. Weyane’s problem is not mine but Ethiopian’s. Why are we concentrating on weyane when we have extreme fire in our backyard?

          • Lebam

            Hey MM,

            How can we avoid focusing on them when they’re getting involved in our business? Trading one problem for another is not the solution, especially when the other could potentially pose a greater threat.

            BTW, I didn’t mean to insult you. Simply sharing my thoughts on the subject at hand.

          • Abi

            MM
            ምልምል አግአዚ
            This Agazian movement is the most dangerous movement that can cause unimaginable problems to Eritrea and the region in general. This movement is sponsored by Tplf that you and your likes dying to protect.
            ጏድ አባት ጦር
            አፀፋ ምት ኮሚቴ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ጓድ ኣቢ
            If I were you, I wouldn’t be worried about Agazian but about your country, which is going to the drain. But hey, I am not even sure you care as long as the አባት ጦር ነፍጠኛ has a slight chance to rule ባህርዳር

          • Brhan

            MM
            ራዛ ናይ ኣ ቡኡ ሓዛ
            You are intorducing our people to a guy who only cares about our part of our land.
            ራዛ ብደርጊ ተሰሪዛ
            ሓሳባት ራዛ ግን ኣይፋልን
            ደርጊ እውን ተሰሪዛ
            ተረፍመረፍ ግን ኣይፋልን

          • Abi

            Brhan
            You are still in the dark. Let me brighten up your night a little better.
            I care less about part of your land.
            I’m after my part of the port.
            ምነው ጨለማ ዋጠህ? ኧረ እንደምንም ብለህ ወደ ብርሃን ወጣ በል:: አይዞህ ደፈር በል!

          • Brhan

            Abi
            ኮሪኻ ዲኻ ( ኣክሩፈሻል ወይ)
            I am going to shoot now: What is the name of ethinic group that lives in that port?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            I don’t think people live in the port right now. I heard it is abandoned.
            Only stray camels live in the port.
            Don’t shoot your foot እንደለመደብህ.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            My people live there , the great people of Afar.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            They are my people too. It is time to bring together the two Afar people, their camels and their waters. Once this is achieved in the eastern most part of Eritrea, we then duplicate the process in the center and bring the two Tigrinya speaking people in the center together to form a strong and stable Agazian Kingdom.
            This process of bringing like people together, if successfully implemented , will bring peace for Ethiopia , Eritrea will also rest in peace.
            Problem solved!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ብርሃን

            ተረፍ-መረፍ ደርጊ
            ——ምስ ህግደፍ ወጊኖም
            ጽዕነት ከምዘብዘሐ ኣድጊ
            ——ን ኢሱ ሰይጣን ኣሚኖም
            ደገፍዎ
            ——የዐሚቶም ዓይኖም

            እሞ
            ባይታ ስጋብ ዝዘብጡ
            ዳግማይ ሓመዶም ክልሕሱ
            ባርዕ ሓዊ ክስሕኑ

            ከም ኣመሎም
            ማዕጾ ንኽፈተሎም
            ክስሕንዋ

    • Hashela

      Hi Samuel

      In your assemblage of critical factors, you cleverly omitted an important ingredient that TPLF lacks: access to the world and supply line. If PMAAA lets close all roads that connect Tigray with the rest of Ethiopia, within 2-5 months your organization will have a big trouble to supply and maintain its war machine. One wonders as to why the Eritrean Chief of Staff is in Sudan.

      You see, peace is a better alternative.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Hashela,

        Until Samuel gets back to you with something better, I am going to guess the following extremely arrogant guesses.

        1. TPLF’s enemies won’t last long enough for it to need additional supplies.
        2. If by some miracle they last that long, TPLF will start using whatever the enemies brought with them.

        • Hashela

          Selam Fanti Ghana

          You are committing a critical mistake in your calculation in assuming that post-Isaias Eritrea will not care about its territorial integrity and sovereignty.

          I prefer to fight TPLF by denying the fight it is longing for.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Comment moved up and shot down by the joint forces of Paulination and Fantination. Wrong move!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            As an honorary forumer, I should get a pinning privilege

        • Paulos

          Fantination,

          Brilliant for your not so arrogant assessment is based on the history of Tigrai in general and TPLF in particular. Remember in 85 when ShaEbia blocked TPLF when it asked to use the road to Sudan during the damning famine? TPLF didn’t crumble, it paved a road instead when the adage has it that, roads are made by walking. These people strive under duress if the idiotic and clueless folks only know!

        • Hashela

          Selam Fanti Ghana

          There is a serious error in your calculation: You are assuming that post-Isaias Eritrea will not care about its territorial integrity and sovereignty.

          It seems that Eritreans prefer to fight TPLF by denying the fight TPLF is longing for. Why shed the blood of young Eritreans and Tigrayans? Just close all doors until TPLF is committed to peace!

          Thanks to Covid-19, we all know how economically devastating a lockdown is, if properly enforced!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamt Hashela, Sultan M.G., & Dr. Paulos,

            I swear to you all I was not even thinking about North. I would rather be the first one to take the bullet that comes from either direction than be a witness to an absolute idiocy part II.

            I was thinking of Abiy marching north with his Isaias augmented, Emirates financed “Liyu Hail.”

            PS:
            Thank you Brother Sultan, and you are correct. I have been losing my focus a little lately.

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            You don’t have to be a Clinician to see that Isaias Afwerki is not well. He is racing against time so much so that he wants to leave a legacy of revenge to score points against his mortal enemies–the Weyanes. And he is using Abiy the fool to that effect. In the end, if it is going to be the mother of all wars, it will be only the battle of principles and ideas between Democratic Ideals and recourse to Absolutism. Never in history the latter won over the former and the mother of all wars is not going to be an exception either.

            Athens won against the Spartans precisely because of its Democratic traditions and culture when Sparta was stronger and armed to the teeth with an implacable military discipline.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Tell me if you believe if Tplf and the proud people of Tigray are one and the same.
            I expect your direct response not the ፋንቲ መልቲ version.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            ABSOLUTELY NOT!

            1. TPLF is a political organization which is supported by majority (estimate) of Tigrayans.

            2. It is also an organization tasked with keeping all Tigrayans safe and sound.

            That is my least መልቲ reply.

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            I absolutely agree. Now, the only way you can isolate TPLF of the Tigrean people is through the ballot box as in you vote them out. But if you attack TPLF through smear propaganda campaign al’a Abiy and Isaias, the people clinge to the Weyanes and that was a tad too late stupid strategy owned by Abiy and Isaias. And they are paying for it.

            Baytona the Opposition Party in Tigrai has elected that brilliant strategy when it refuses to attack TPLF but instead It wants to vote them out in the ballot box. That is smart.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Dr. Paulos,

            Exactly. I am sure you recall the near 100% reception and support Abiy had when he came to Mekele. One can tell Tigrayans wanted a change as much as the rest of their compatriots, but within weeks, they lost all hope.

            The other organizations like Baitona and Weyane 3 are relatively young, and I am not sure if they had sufficient time to get their message across to the majority yet, but they are stuffed with younger generation and they have a good chance at least in the future.

            So far they have scored big by standing with TPLF during these cloudy season, and I am sure Tigrayans are watching.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Doc:
            But the TPLF is the one banning any opportunity or a conducive environment for that peaceful balloting!
            Plus, who is attacking who, for Gods sake?
            I thought the TPLF has become the star of the stars in its successful toxic defamatory campaign against Abiy and even against IA!
            Can u apply that PHD for a common sense principle once in a while?

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Do you think majority of Tplf supporters choose to take exit 39 ?

            Do you think Tplf succeeded in keeping Tigrayans safe and sound in Ethiopia in general and Tigray in particular?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            Article 39 was unthinkable by any Tigrayan that I know of until recently and definitely not by a TPLFite even now, but there are some who are exploring that as an alternative. However, I don’t see it getting any traction because its already few adherents sound anger driven than conviction.

            Has TPLF succeeded in keeping Tigrayans safe?

            It needs to be broken down like so:
            In Tigray, yes.

            The responsibility of keeping Tigrayans safe outside Tigray is the responsibility of the governments ruling the regions of Ethiopia they live in and not of TPLF.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Clear enough by your standards:)

            If you decide to take the exit in the near future, count me in helping you packing 🙂

            Tplf must be in deep troubles to send the best and brightest to Awatenation. You guys are covering all shifts effectively.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Abisha,

            No worries brother. Come rain or shine, we will live or die together.

            ቲኬ የት ገባ እያልክ ስትጨነቅ ሳሙኤል ነኝ ብሎ መጣልህ!

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            I agree. We will live or die together.
            It is a temporary hiccup that will definitely pass.
            መምጫውን ቀን ናፍቀው ስመው ካልተለዩት
            መች ያቀባብራል ወዳጄ ቢሉት
            (ፀጋዬ እሸቱ 1980 በኛ አቆጣጠር)

            ይናፍቃል ብለህ እንዳትሳሳት:)

            ቲኬማ አንዴ ሳሙኤል ሌላ ጊዜ ሳኦል እየሆነ ግራ አጋባኝ::

        • Sultan M.G.

          Welcome back Dr Fanti Ghana.
          You have become a real TPLF,hahaah.
          Admire you,either way.
          Granted,you missed the simple calculus that 2+2= and 2×2+ is always =4.
          The TPLF’s enemy lasted /survived over 23 yrs against all ODDs and in fact,they emerged successful and have stood firmer and stronger than ever and than the same enemy and they quarantined same enemy,which had done its best capacity under the sun by all means possible to destroy that same enemy of same TPLF.

          • Paulos

            Dr. Sultan,

            Did you mean to say ኣይከሰርናን? ኣላ’ስኻ!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Paulosay:
            Read this again,the whole gist of my message.
            “The fault of TPLF lies in not realizing its strategic partner which is the Eritrean people and Eritrea as a sovereign state. Instead TPLF did and is doing everything to undermine Eritrean unity and sovereignty. To get rid of PFDJ, TPLF had 20 years to accept the EEBC verdict and resist from activities that undermine Eritrean unity. TPLF didn’t because its target is not PFDJ or Isaias but the unity and sovereignty of Eritrea.”
            Courtesy of Professor Hashela.

            The thing is that while we know PIA screwed up by his dumb ego and short-sighted agenda and miscalculation,which he openly admitted that he made a mistake,btw,the TPLF made the WORST Tactical and Strategic MISTAKES EVER,by doing what the sharp Prof Hashela said.
            FYI:
            I was a de facto TPLF Cadre,not just a supporter or benevolent of the TPLF and Tigrai and ist resilient people while I was in Addis and Washington,DC.,but ONLY to be stabbed from behind …

            I pretend to be a practicing Catholic but forgetting and forgiving what the TPLF did to me and to my Eritrea is the most difficult one to abide by the Golden Christian Principles,even though we Eritreans successfully abode by and practiced that Golden Christian Principle initially but,hey, I guess we are human beings.

          • Paulos

            Sultan,

            I just finished listening to ረዲእ ማሓሪ Alena Media where his ዛዕባ for today was ምስ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ብሓንሳብ ኮንና ንኢሳያስ ንወግዶ!

            He started off his speech with the the collaborative efforts when ShaEbia and the Weyanes defeated the Dergue during the ሻድሻይ ወራር when he also said that Weyane paid dearly in that battle particularly in ሳሕል!

            In a sharp contrast, here you are harping ad nauseam crimes of the Weyanes imagined and more imagined. ረዲእ ማሓሪ ain’t a practicing Christian but he is far better than you and your heap of lies and apathetic hypocrisy.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Paulosay:
            “…your heap of lies and apathetic hypocrisy.”.
            Be so kind to list and explain my lies and hypocrisy”.

            I know RediE Mehari well….so there is no point of going there,
            We don’t need TPLF’s help to remove HIGDEF.
            A student cannot be better than his/her Teacher.

            Show me the gut and the courage to refute this hardcore fact or Hypocrisy”.
            “”The fault of TPLF lies in not realizing its strategic partner which is the Eritrean people and Eritrea as a sovereign state. Instead TPLF did and is doing everything to undermine Eritrean unity and sovereignty. To get rid of PFDJ, TPLF had 20 years to accept the EEBC verdict and resist from activities that undermine Eritrean unity. TPLF didn’t because its target is not PFDJ or Isaias but the unity and sovereignty of Eritrea.”
            Courtesy of Professor Hashela.

            Even Ms Selam Kidane admittedly and courageously challenged Mr Getachew Redda about the 20 yrs old devastating No War No Peace Policy of the TPLF against Eritrea and Eritreans.
            Well,with all due respect to you,Dr Paulos,challenge those “Hypocrites”,Ayte Hypocrite.
            I didn’t say or did what was done and said but quoted and repeated things.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ዶተረ:
            ሓደ ዓርከይ ‘ንታይ ይብል ኔሩ መስለካ?
            PhD ዘለዎ ሰብ ከም ፈረስ ጸቢብ ምኒኮለ ‘ዩ ዘለዎ [no offense]።
            ሕጂ ብተግባር ርኤዮ: ኣብ ገዛ ዓዋተ።
            ለካ ‘ታ ኣብ ዝባኖም ዘላ ምኒኮለ ኣብ ዓይኖም ምስ ኣንበርዋ ኣግፊሓ ክትርኢ የጸግማ ‘ዩ።
            ካብ ምህሮስ ኣእምሮ ዝበልዎ ከምዚ ምሰጋጠሞም ዶ ኸውን?

          • Paulos

            ኢንጂኔረ,

            I don’t even know what it means to be honest with you for it ain’t any different than KFC as far as acronyms are concerned. They probably know a thing or two than the general public where at the end of the day it is just that. As they say, ሸያብ [ሰያብ] ኢልካ ሽማግለ ኣይትስደድ!

      • Samuel

        Selam Hashela,

        Access to the world and supply line. If PMAAA lets close all roads that connect Tigray with the rest of Ethiopia, within 2-5 months your organization will have a big trouble to supply and maintains its war machine.

        Yes, it’s part of the equation PMAA “can” do list, but the response from TPLF will speed up his demise proportionally.
        Look, you can’t let your own people dying for the sake of “Ethiopia integrity”. Ethiopia integrity shouldn’t be the responsibility of one party.

        Last week Abiy tried to stop/close Trans Ethiopia trucks from operating but he stopped it quickly because of xyz reasons (no need to explain). Trans Ethiopia trucks are now operating as usual, however this doesn’t mean he can’t try it again.

        Try to see it this way, if Abiy had power to subdue Tigray he wouldn’t have wasted more than two years to do it. If Abiy had power to subdue Tigray he wouldn’t have wasted his time conspiring with an old man (IA) who can contribute nothing to society.

        Note that ENDF responsibility isn’t to close roads, it is to open roads, I hope you understand what I mean. Abiy knows that he doesn’t own ENDF.

        Generally, we are at 11th hour, either Abiy has to bring all political forces into the table or he has to be ready for any eventuality. He and his enablers will be responsible whatever comes next.

        Last but not least, here is what Yohannes IV said when Mahdist invaded Ethiopia (Metema).

        ===> “ንሳቶም ካብ ኣያታቶም ኣይበልጹን፡ ንሕና’ውን ካብ ኣያታትና ኣይንንእስን”
        ===> “እነሱ ከኣያቶቻቸው ኣይበልጡም፤ እኛ ከኣያቶቻችን ኣናንስም”

        Thanks,

        • Hashela

          ሰላም ሳሚኤል

          “እነሱ ከኣያቶቻቸው ኣይበልጡም፤ እኛ ከኣያቶቻችን ኣናንስም”

          ሓጺሩኒ ኣንተበልኩስ፣ ተደቢሩ ኣስዕስዕ ትብል ዓባየ ማመት። ኣብ ታግራይ ኣምሓርኛ ምዝራብኩም እንዳገረመናስ፣ ሕጂ ንስኻ ኣንዓይ በምሓሪኛ ትጽሕፈለይ። ዓገብ!

          • Samuel

            Selam Hashela,
            I tried to put in both languages for the sake of others who don’t speak Tigrigna. The first one is Tigrigna version, the second one is for Amharic speakers. What is the issue?

            Thanks,

          • Brhan

            Hello Hashela,
            I think there is a love an hate issue of Tigrayans towards Johannes IV and your question could be one source for their hate. I heard that TPLF refused to errect a statue for him in Tigray. But the love issue is as I see it is solely political. It is the only card that helped TPLF/EPRDF to proof they are Ethiopians to the oridinary Ethiopians , particularly to Amhara and Amharized Oromo.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            What does “Amharized Oromo “ mean?
            We have already discussed this kind of characterization is racist . Some people don’t learn. They chose to remain in the dark.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            It is a term. Refer to Mohammed Hassen, The Oromo of Ethiopia: A History 1570-1860 (Trenton: Red Sea Press, 1994), p. 198

          • Abi

            Brhan
            I think You are still in the dark ages if you’re referring 1570-1860 as your favorite source.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Thanks you cooled down now. Also talking serious. I prefer not to refer non authentic sources. But if not we can refer to FB, wiki and your favourite GPS!

          • Abi

            Brhan
            My voice activated GPS understands me only when I say “Assab”. Other times it says “no match found “.
            I like my GPS.
            I’m always cool.
            Calculating route…
            Here you go! The road is clear…

          • Brhan

            Abi
            You want GPS type reference: Because I can’t post outside source in weekdays you can ask Mr. Google about the term Amahrized Oromo and you will have a lot of ACADEMIC sources. Also an interesting article writien in.opride.com on /2014/08/07/. BTW the process stopped in 1991 when your beloved Weyane arrived in Finfine. Now my friend you need a translator (if you do not know Afan Oromo) to do business in any town of an Oromo Kilil.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Samuel

          Amharic Tigrigna English
          ኣያቶቻቸው ኣባሓጎታቶም grandfathers

          • Samuel

            Selam Semere,
            ኣያታት’ና’ ትግርኛ ቃል እዩ፤ “ኣያይ” ካብ ዝብል ቃል ዝመጸ፤ ኽብረት ንምግላጽ እዩ። ኣያይ ማለት ድማ ኣባሓጎይ ዝብል ስሚዕት ዝገልጽ እዩ። ኣያታትና ዝብል ቃል ንኣባሓጎታትና ብኽብሪ ንምግላጽ ንጥቀመሉ ቃል እዩ። ምናልባት ኣፍቲ ኸባቢኹም ኣይተለመደን ማልት እዩ።

            ኣነ ኣብ ኣኽሱም እየ ተወሊደ ዓብየ፤ ንወላድየ “ጎይታይ” ይብሎ፤ ንኣባሓጎይ ድማ “ኣያይ” ይብሎ ነይረ። ሓቂ እዩ ኣብ መቐለ ናይ ኣምሓረኛ ቓላት ይሓውሱ እዮም። “ኣያይ” ዝብል ቃል ግን ትግርኛ እዩ። ካብ ሃገረሰብ ዝመጹ ሰባት ብዝበለጸ ይጥቀምሉ እዮም።

            ኣያይ፤ ጎይታይ፤ ኣብሻይ፤ ናይ ክብሪ ቓላት እዮም።

            Thanks,

          • Semere Tesfai

            ሰላም ሳሙኤል

            “ኣያይ ማለት ድማ ኣባሓጎይ ዝብል ስሚዕት ዝገልጽ እዩ። ኣያታትና ዝብል ቃል ንኣባሓጎታትና ብኽብሪ ንምግላጽ ንጥቀመሉ ቃል እዩ።”

            ሳሙኢኣል፡ ኣነ ዝበዝሕ ግዜ ንእስነተይ (ቅድሚ ገድሊ ምስላፈይ)፡ ኣብ ሃገረሰብን ንኣሽቱ ከተማታት ኤርትራን እየ የሕሊፈዮ። ዝዓበኹሉ ከባቢ ምስ ብዙሓት ተጋሩ የራኽብኒ ነሩ እዩ። ሎሚ ክሓስቦ ከለኹ፡ እቶም ዝረኽቦም ዝነበርኩ ተጋሩ፡ መበቆሎም ዳርጋ ኩሎም፡ ካብ ከባቢታት ሽረን ዓድዋን ዓዲ-ግራትን ዝኮይኑ ይስማዓኒ – ርግጸኛ ግን ኣይኮንኩን። ብኡነት – ትግርኛ ትግራዎት (ናይ ከባኢ መቐለ ገዲፍካ)፡ ስጋብ ሎሚ፡ ይፈልጦ እየ፡ እየ ዝብል ነረ።

            ግን፡ ኣያይ ኣባሓጎይ ዝብል ትርጉም ከም ዘሎዎ ግን ሎሚ መዓልቲ፡ ብኹሪ እዝነይ፡ ይሰምዓ እለኹ። እምበኣር ናይ’ቲ ዝዓበኹሉ ከባቢ ኤርትራ ኣበሃህላ (ኣገላልጻ) ክነግረካ፡

            1. – ጐይታይ – ንስኹም – ንስኽን፡ ናይ ክብሪ መጸውዓዒ – ናይ ካህንን በዓል ስልጣንን ጥራይ ኢኻ ጐይታይ- ንስኹም – ንስኽን ትብል። ንወለዲ ይኹን ንብዕድመ ዝደፍኡ ዓበይቲ – ጐይታይ፡ ንስኹም፡ ንስኽን፡ ኣይትብልን ኢኻ። ኣብ ካልእ ከባቢታት ኤርትራ ግን፡ ንዓበይትን ወለድን እንከላይ ጐይታይ ይበሃል እዩ።

            2. ንዓባይ ሓብትኻ ወይ ኣዴኻ፡ ኣብ ሰራየ ኣብሻይ ትብላ፡ ኣብ ኣከሎግዛይ ሳንዳይ ትብላ፡ ኣብ ሓማሴን ድማ መዓሮ ትብላ።

            3. – ንዓቢ ሓውኻ ወይ ኣቦኻ፡ ያይኣ ትብሎ። በብዛሕትኡ ግዜ ኣያይ/ኣብሻይ ክበሃሉ ደስ ዝብሎም ወለዲ፡ ብንእሽትኦም ምስ ዝወልዱኻ እዩ – ከም ዓቢ ሓወም/ሓብቶም ክርእዩኻ ደስ ስለ ዝብሎም።

            4. – ኣበሓጎኻ – ዓባይካ፡ ወለዲ ናይ ኣቦኻ ወይ ወለዲ ናይ ኣዴኻ ጥራይ እዮም እባሓጎይ ዓባየይ ዝበሃሉ

            5. – ዘማታት፡ ናይ ክብሪ መጸውዓዒ የሓዊት ሰበይትኻ እዮም – ወዶም ጓሎም

            6. – ንዕልቲ/ንዓዕልቲ – ሓሙት/ኣሕሙት፡ የሕዋት ብዓልቤት ንሰበይቲ (የሕዋት ሰብእያ)

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            Except in our politics, I almost agree in everything what you could say about our culture – that includes the Tigrigna language. ቋንቋ ትግሪኛኻ: ሕርራኽ ዘየብሉ: መንፊት ዘየድልዮ: እንታይ ክዎጾ::

          • Brook

            ሰላም ሳሙኤልን ወ ሰመረ ተስፋይን ኣብ ከባቢ ወልቃይት ካዓ ሳንዳይ ዝባሃል ንዓቢ ሓውካ’ ዩ። ካብ ከባቢ ወልቃይት ኣዚዩ ርሒቑን ኣብ ዳባት (ወገራ) ዝባሃል ኣብ ከባቢ ጎንደር ዝርከብ ወረዳ ” ዓዲ ሳንዳይ ” ዝባሃል ቁሸት ኣሎ። ሎሚ ግን ኣብቲ ዓዲ ዝነብሩ ሰባት ኮሎም ብጀካ ኣብሓርኛ ካሊእ ቋንቋ (ትግርኛ) ኣይክእሉን። ኩሉ ግዘ ካዓ ይገርመኒ። እታ “ኣያ (ኣያይ)” ትብል ቃል’ውን ወይ ነቦ፣ ንሓውቦ ወይድማ ንብዕድመ ኣዚዩ ዝዓብየካ ሓው’ዩ ኣያይ ዝባሃል (ኣነ ዝፈልጦ)። ሰለሙን (ወዲ ባይረ) “ሳኣን ኣያ” እናበለ ዝደርፋ ናይ ገድሊ ትግራይ ደርፊ ንኣቦሓጎ ዝተደርፈት ኣይትመስለኒን።

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ብሩኽ

            ኣብቲ ኣነ ድዓቤኹሉ ከባቢ (ታሕታይ ዓንሰባ)፣ ነቦኻ ኣያ ምባል ሳሕቲ’ዩ። ግን ኣብ ገዛና፣ ዓባይ ሐብታይ ነቦይ ኣያ እያ ትብሎ። ወዲ 18 ዓመት ከሎ ተወሊዳ ማስ እንዳ ኣባሓጎይ ዓብያ። ክምቲ ኣነ ደርዳኣኒ፣ መበገሲኣ ናይ ትሕት ድበለ ዕደመ ፍልልይን ከማኡ ወን ብዑምቐት ደይ ምፍላጦም’ዩ።

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ሰመረ

            እወ ጽንሕ ኢሎም ገለ ኸስምዑና እዮም። ካብ ኣምሐሩ ዝያዳ ኣምሓሩ ክኾኑ ክብሉ ጀሊሖሞ ትግርኛና።

          • Samuel

            Selam Semer Tesfai,
            እቲ ገሊጽካዮ ዘለኻ ጽቡቕ እዩ፤ ኣብ ከባቢና’ውን ዝተለመዱ እዮም። ሳንዳይ፤ መዓሮ ዝብላ ግን ኣብ ከባቢና ሰሚዐዮ ኣይፈልጥን ወይ ድማ ኣይተለመደን።

            እቲ ዝተበገስካሉ መልእኽቲ ምስ ኣምሓረኛ ዘተሓሐዝካዮ ስለ ዝመሰለኒ ኣያታትና ትግርኛ ሙኻኑ ንምግላጽ እየ ኣባሓጎታትና ዝብል ስሚዒት ዝገልጽ እዩ ዝበለኩ።

            ኣያታትና ማለት ኣባሓጎታትና ማለት እዩ እይበልኩን፣ እቲ ዝበልኩኻ ኣባሓጎታትና ዝብል ስሚዒት ዝገልጽ እዩ።

            ብዝኾነ ኾይኑ ኣብ ከባቢና ኣያታትና ዝብል ቃል ሰፊሕ ኣገላልጻ ኣለዎ። ምስ ፍልጠት፤ መሪሕነት፤ ልምዲ፤ ዕድመ በዓል ጸጋ ዝኾነ ወይ ድማ ብዕድመ ዝበልጸካ፤ ናይ ክብሪ መግለጺ እይ። እዙይ ምኻኑ ዝይምፍላጥካ ጸገም የብሉን፤ ትግርኛ ከከም ከባቢኡ ይፋላለ እዩ።

            Example:
            ንዓና ኽብሉ ዝሞቱ ኣያታትና ንዘክሮም። ይባሃል

            እቲ ናትካ ዋና መልእኽቲ እንታይ እዩ? እታ ኣነ ዝጻሓፍኩዋ ቢሂል “ኣያታትና” ክብል ኣይነበረንን ድዩ? ኣያታትና ትግርኛ ኣይኮነን ድዩ? ናፍታ ቐዳመይቲ መልእኽቲኻ ተመለስ’ሞ እቲ ሕቶኻ እንታይ እዩ?

            ===> “ንሳቶም ካብ ኣያታቶም ኣይበልጹን፡ ንሕና’ውን ካብ ኣያታትና ኣይንንእስን”

            እታ ዝተበገስካላ መልእኽቲ እዚኣ’ያ —
            Amharic Tigrigna English
            ኣያቶቻቸው ኣባሓጎታቶም grandfathers

            Thanks,

          • Sultan M.G.

            Sammy:
            You are correct and fine contextually speaking!
            They are just picking up on you for the sake of doing do!
            Plus, Be’ bbi hagheru/ addu bizuh negheru”…
            We can’t expect the Tigrinya language and culture to be the same in Eritrea and Tigrai!
            You can pick up on them too for adding faulty Arabic and Italian in their Tigrinya!

          • Semere Tesfai

            ሰላም ሳሙአል

            “ኣቲ ናትካ ዋና መልእኽቲ እንታይ እዩ? እታ ኣነ ዝጻሓፍኩዋ ቢሂል “ኣያታትና” ክብል ኣይነበረንን ድዩ? “ኣያታትና” ትግርኛ ኣይኮነን ድዩ? ናፍታ ቐዳመይቲ መልእኽቲኻ ተመለስ’ሞ እቲ ሕቶኻ እንታይ እዩ?”

            እቲ ብመጀመርታ ክሓትት ዘገደደኒ (ሀ) ኣብ ኣተረጓጉማኻ (ናይ የውሃንስ IV ቃል) ጌጋ ዘሎ ኮይኑ ስለ ዝመሰለኒ (ለ) ተሪረ – ኣብ ኣተረጓጉማ፡ ተጋጊኻ ኣለኻ ከይብለካ፡ ብብቕዓት ኣምሓርኛይ ስለ ዘይተኣማማንኩ (ሐ) ተተጸበኹ – ተተጸበኹ፡ ነቲ ጌጋኻ ኣስተባሂሉ፡ ዝሓትት ስለ ዘይረኣኹ እየ ሓቲተካ። ሕጂ ናብ’ቲ ጌጋ ኮይኑ ዝተሰማዓኒ ኣተረጓጉማኻ ክመልሰካ

            1. – ኣያ፡ ኣያይ፡ ኣያታትና – older brother(s) – ቁሩብ ብዕድመ ዝዓብየካ፡ ግን ብዕድመ ክወልደካ ዘይክእል ሓውኻ (ወዲ-ሃገርካ) ኣያይ ትብሎ – ማለት ብ16 ዓመት ወይ ካብኡ ብዝትሕት ዕድመ ዝዓብየካ።
            ንኣብነት፡ ሓደ ኤርትራዊ፡ ኣያታትና ዝደመዩላን ዝተሰውኡላን ሃገር ክንዕቅባ ሕድሪ ‘ለና፡ ክብል ክሎ፡ ንሱ ወዲ ከባቢ 30-45 ዓመት ኮይኑ (ደርጊ ክሰዓር ክሎ ትሕቲ 15 ዓመት ዝነበረ ኮይኑ)፡ ኽብሪን ዝኽርን ሞጎስን ነቶም 50-65 ዓመት ዝገበሩ ዓብይቲ ናይ ቀደም ተጋደልቲ የሕዋቱ፡ እንዳሃበ፡ ይዛረብ ኣሎ ማለት እዩ። እዚ ሞጎሰ’ዚ፡ ነቶም ተጋዲሎም ዝኣተዉ ዓበይቲ የሕዋቱ ጥራይ እዩ ዝምልከት – ነ’ባሓጎታት ኣይምልከትን።

            2. – ኣቦታትና፡ – our fathers – ብዕድመ ክወልዱና ዝኽእሉ (ካብ 18-20 ዓመት ንላዕሊ ዝዓብዩና) ሰብኡት ጥራሕ ይምልከት።

            3. – ኣበሓጎታትና – our grandfathers and great great great….. grandfathers – ንወለድና፡ ዝወለዱ ወለዲ (ትውልድታት) ይምልከት

            ሕጂ ናብ’ታ ዘይበረሀት ኣተረጓጉማኻ ንመለስ፡

            ሃጸይ የውያንስ ክዛረብ ከሎ፡ ነ’ያታቱ ድዩ ወይስ ነባሓጐታቱ ዝጠቅስ ነሩ?
            When emperor Yowhaness IV made that memorable speech, whom was he referring to? The bravery of his older brothers or the bravery of his grandparents and great grandparents?

            4. – ሕጅውን ክደግመልካ – ዘደናግረኒ ዘሎ – ንስኻ ትብል ኣለኻ (ሀ) “ኣያታትና ማለት ኣባሓጎታትና ማለት እዩ እይበልኩን” (b) ኣያታትና፡ ኣባሓጎታትና ዝብል ስሚዒት ዝገልጽ እዩ። (ሐ) ቃል ሃጸይ ዮውሃንስ፡ ነቲ ኣያታትና ዝብል ናይ ትግርኛ ቃል፡ ብኣባሓጎታትና (ኣያቶቻችን) ዝብል ናይ ኣምሓርኛ ቃል ተርጒምካዮ ኣልኻ

            Now, in your locality’s Tigrigna (Aksum) (a) ኣያይ = ኣባሓጎይ (b) ኣያይ ≠ ኣባሓጎይ. Is it a or b

            That is, the thing that isn’t still clear to me. I hope I made my point clear this time.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Brhan

            Semere and Samuel,
            It is good discussion that I see due to the word Aya….I hope in peacful time our linguists sit in Asmara and Meqele to discuss around this rich language and even work to have a standar form of it, like English.
            Thanks again

      • A.Osman

        Selam Hashela,

        One thing I wondered, Mesfin Hagos managed to get in, but his exit seems harder. DIA and Filippo latest tour to Sudan is meant to isolate Tigray and prevent any move from the opposition. Probably Djibouti is the only border country that is available and it will keep its distance or be put to line using the government of Ethiopia. So if Mesfin Hagos declares an alliance, the opposition has little to offer except a cover that TPLF could use to take a defensive move to attack the regime in Eritrea.

        In any case, this chess game of brinkmanship could potentially compromise Eritrea sovereignty. I can’t see anything good out of it when Ethiopia is in turmoil.
        Derg remnant will be pushing for civil war, no doubt. It gives them chance to return to power and it helps them in their dream to fold Eritrea. I thought Aby had more tricks in hi sleeves to put some water to this fire. He will be the clear looser of this game, he is entangled in a difficult knot and becomes more complicated with time.

        May God save both countries.

        Regards
        AOsman

        • Brhan

          Selam A. Osman
          I just want to indicate that though the visit of the generals to the Sudan can include Tigray as a key agenda, but according to adoulis.com the dictator is not comfortable with the upcoming eastern Sudan governor. He wants his candidate to take the post but the Sudanese said NO. The generals could push this further. The dictator knows that many Tigrayans are die hard TPLF and the best soltuion for him is his favourite TPLF candidate to topple Debrezion and his group. The dictator is trying again to become the defacto leader of the Horn of Africa.

          • Paulos

            Selam Brhan,

            What if Isaias didn’t want Filipos, Abraha and Karikare around him when Abiy was in Asmara and opted to send them off to Sudan instead which was kind of unprecedented so much so that not even the most trusted Monkey was not even with them either. The whole thing seemed kinda weird.

            That said, what is missing in the greater scheme of Calculus where Isaias is posturing as the Alfa male in the Horn is the strength of the Eritrean people. Imagine, if the Eritrean people or small but active voices in Eritrea were standing up to Isaias. He wouldn’t be or at least pretend to be untouchable. Instead, Eritreans are fighting off each other often times obsessing over trivialities.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre/Brhan,
            Actually, I was thinking these so called generals in trouble. I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear there was “an accident”.

          • Brhan

            Merhaba Mehandis
            And according to BBC General Romedan Awleya is removed from Zoba Makel leadership and but to the barracks and joining the trio in the Sudan. “Why he is removed and who will replace him?” BBC asked

          • Sultan M.G.

            Brhan:
            I thought giving him back his Major Gen status to be the Commander of the Central region is a promotion.
            He initially declined to be ripped off his 4 stars and to be a Governor.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Brhan
            It is because Eritrea became private property of one man. He can do whatever he pleases to do and no one has the gut to take action. He demotes generals and all they do is whining.

          • Sultan M.G.

            MM.
            That is a scary possibility.
            Now you sound like a real Engineer.
            I narrated thru a 10-page- comment about how IA does his business easily but successfully.

          • Brhan

            MM and Paulos,
            Thank you for your analysis. I hope one of our analysis becomes correct to show we are doing fine in our observation to events in a time where news analysts are silenced even in the Sudan that saw a successful revolution but now going backwards.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ብርሃን

            ዝኣመነ ብሴፍ ዝኸሓደ ብሴፍ
            ኣብ ዘመነ-ህግደፍ

            ኣይኮነንዶ ሰብሲ
            ኣግራባት ይበርሱ
            ኣብ ትሕቲ ግዝኣት ኢሱ

            ምምሕዳር ህግደፍ
            ፍሉይ መግዛእቲ
            ጠሪሱ ክጽዋዕ ኣይከኣልን
            ሃገራዊ መንግስቲ
            ከመይ ‘ሉ?

            መግዛእቲ ህግደፍ ዓመጸኛ
            ስርዓቱ መሓውሩ ኩሉ ጓና
            ከመይ ‘ሉ ‘ዩ
            ክኸውን ናትና?

            ‘ንታይ ፍልልዩ ካብ ሃጸይ ሃይለስላሴ?
            ‘ንታይ ፍልልዩ ካብ ደርጊ?
            ሰለስቲኦም ገዛእቲ
            ይመስሎም ልዕሊ-ሕጊ
            ስርዓቶም ስርዓት-ዘርጊ
            ዓመጽቲ ‘ዮም
            ኣብ ቅድሚ ሰብ ኮነ ቅድሚ ዝጊ
            ደሓር ግዲ
            ይስሕንዋ ይኾኑ
            ናይ ሽውዓተ-ሰማያት ሓለንጊ
            ኣሜን ንበል!

          • Brhan

            መሃንድስ ም ዕባለ

            ቅድሚ ሰማይ
            ፎሮኦን እንዶ ኣይጠሓለን ኣብ ማይ
            ትምህርቲ የሁድ ክስታናይ ኣስላማይ

            እዚ እንካ ከይተባህለ
            ባዕሉ ዝመንጠለ
            መንጢሉ ድማ ኣይህብን ዝብለ
            ይረደኦ ዶ ብተፈጥሮ ከምዘይተዓደለ

            ኣሎ እንዶ ዳዕሮ ዓዲ
            ኢሂን ምሂን ኣንጋዲ
            ኣብ ትሕቲ ጽላሉ ኣላ ፍርዲ
            ኣደቡ ተትሕዞ ነቲ ስዲ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ይበል! ይበል!
            ኣቶ ብርሃን
            ካብ ኣምጻኻ ዘመን ፈርኦን
            ካብ ፈርኦን ዝበኣሰ
            ሃገር ዝሓመሰ
            ምስሊ ሃገር ዝደምሰሰ

            ደሓን ኣይእቶ ኣባና ነጠበ
            ድሕሪ ክንደይ ዓመታት ደም ዘይጸገበ
            ከይትረደኣና ኣባና ለገበ
            ይመስል
            ኩሉ ድኸመታትና ዝተዓዘበ
            ወይ ድማ ብደቂቕ ዝመዝገበ
            ሕማም ርእሲ ክትጅምሮ
            ጭር ናብ ዶክተር ሃይለ መዝገበ
            ኣበይ ከይንቐስን
            ትሕቲ ምድሪ ከይዓለበ
            ንቡር ከየርከበ

        • Hashela

          Selam Osman

          My stand has been always that a weak or a fragmented Ethiopia poses less threat to Eritrea. I believe Semere said the farther the power center of Ethiopia from us the better. Our experience between 1991 and 2018 appears to support that notion and I tend to agree with that line of thinking.

          • Selam Hashela,

            Instead of wishing for a weak and fragmented ethiopia, which could be reciprocated one way or the other, why don’t you think for a change what switzerland did throughout the ages?
            Any sort of alliance with neighbors or regional arab powers is going to be detrimental for a small nation like eritrea. Look at little switzerland. It sits in the heart of europe and yet it is not a member of the EU. it has bilateral relations, nevertheless.
            It escaped the two wws unscathed due to its neutrality, although it could mobilize its people to defend the nation if attacked from a foreign enemy. Therefore, eritrea should pursue a similar policy and not alliances right and left.
            Maybe one could say that it is not a free nation due to its internal political problem. Nevertheless, searching for an answer through one sort of alliance or another is not the right solution, in my opinion.
            A foreign army setting foot in eritrea is an occupying force however you see it. In addition, sleeping with an unequal, be it economic or military power, will be a faustian contract. One can work with it from a distance, especially on the economy.
            What then is the solution for the dictatorship in eritrea, and the long term interest of eritrea as a nation? There is not an easy answer. The less the damage, the better. The easiest answer for anybody, especially for people like me who sees things from the outside is to say, look for the answer within eritrea and not outside eritrea. It is what we have been saying all along, an eritrean solution for an eritrean problem. Why do some people think that it is impossible?

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Hashela,

            I doubt a weak or fragmented Ethiopia will be less risk to us. What they settle for in terms of Unitary or Federal system will be more consequential to us. An Ethiopia at peace with itself will be in peace with us, we only need a government that reciprocates.

            There is a historical cycle of power shift between Amhara elites and Tigray elites. Now the Oromo are in the mix, but seen as vehicle to keep the power of either. Aby is the perfect candidate for change with a fail system that will expire in due course (lost in his dream). Jawar did jolt some thinking that he may lead to Oromo rulership (I watched only one the recent interview, the guy was quite sharp), now he is neutralised and both sides must be waiting the wind of fortune to go their way. I am probably way off, that’s how it feels from distance and the time game will only be destruction to the whole nation….another cancerous no war no peace, this time within Ethiopia.

            As for DIA – Qahar Amtsiley Kihasbo

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hashela

            Selamat Osman

            regarding PIA, the same here. ቅርጸት፣ መርዘን፣ ቃንዛ ኩሩምቲን ጽፍሪን

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Samuel,

      Impressive analysis with its caveats. It gives a good picture (a) on the drums of war at play (b) on the alignment of the forces (c) on the preparedness of the antagonistic forces (d) on the strength and weakness of the forces that will be at play and (e) on the nature of support they harvested so far. Great input for the heavy weight debaters. In the future, if you try to come with such invaluable thoughts, please try to frame them in an article format. Good job.

      Regards

      • Sultan M.G.

        Selam Prof Aman:
        I never heard or read you to say same thing against the TPLF and its supporters when the TPLF had done and is still doing the worst against Eritrea and Eritreans.
        Worse,you rather hailed them as Visionary and justified their destructive agenda and efforts against Eritrea and Eritreans as “A Their Legit National Interest”.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hope,

          You have said it all, and my approach is different. I don’t want to repeat it like a parrot, singing the same song. Does this answers to your question? You are assigned for that and I am not. I am looking beyond your talks, if you try to understand me.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Aman:
            You cannot separate the PFDJ and the TPLF roles and politics when it comes to Ethiopia-Eritrea political dynamics in general, and to that of Eritrea in particular!
            Your statement is a convenient cover up to demonize PIA alone as the sole problem of Eritrea and to cover up the destructive roles the TPLF has played in both nations in general and in Eritrea in particular!
            But your treacherous Statement is but a representative/ Representation of the Pro-TPLF Eri-Opposition.

      • Samuel

        Thank you, Amanuel Hidrat!! I appreciate it. I will try to do that.

        Thanks,

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Sam:
      Good points,for the most part.You omitted tons of facts and truth conveniently.
      U said:
      “Abiy’s last resort is IA and his sponsors (The west and The gulf states)”.
      What was or should have been our(PIA’s) last resort to save ourselves/PIA) from the TPLF’s “multi-faceted destructive agenda”?

    • Brhan

      Thank you for your effort to engage us into constructive discussion.

      I believe in the analysis Foreign Relations should be included as detriment to POWER.
      Foreign relations is vital not only because you can achieve diplomatic gain but its
      regional version can reflect many aspects, including logistics where they can boost or weaken an ally or foe, respectively. In this case Abiy enjoys it from Eritrea and the Sudan. As for the international community, he is still a Noble prize winner in the minds of many leaders, especially western leaders who think the prize as the result of their civic effort. They see Abiy with that sense. Currently we are observing Eritrean and Ethiopian authorities shuffle b/n the two countries and the Sudan.
      Having said that , can’t you see this factor has become a liability to Tigray Killil and asset to Abiy?
      I know that foreign relations is a federal issue in Ethiopia, but it falls under Abiy jurisdiction and not Tigray Killil and the former can use it to bring the authorities in the Tigray region to his terms.
      I hope you understood my point , I am trying to make the discussion more realistic

      Thank you again.

      • Samuel

        Selam Brhan,
        That’s good point, I should have included it as a POWER factor. I agree that Foreign relations are a plus for IA and Abiy. Even though foreign relations is outside regional state authority but it gives an edge for Abiy and IA to play their game.
        There are some former diplomats (from EPRDF) who are still residing in different countries, they can play a role to influence certain things.
        If it comes down to that the role of AU is important, even though they are not endorsing TPLF, but certainly they are not happy with Abiy the way he handled Ethio-Eritrea peace agreement and GERD matters. They are not happy the way he is handling his internal crisis. TPLF still has strong connection with those influential officials.

        Generally, I agree with you Foreign relations should be part of the POWER factors.

        Thanks,

        • Brhan

          Hello Samuel,
          I do not know how diplomatic work is done in Ethiopia, but the EPRDF members who are at the same time diplomats should only represent their country and not their party. I believe thus is how they are trained and hired. Gov’t can come and go but diplomats remain because they reperesent their country. Correct me if I am wrong.
          Thanks

          • Samuel

            Selam Brhan,
            They represent their country, I am talking the retired ones. My point is with respect to the way Abiy is handling the situation and the crisis we are in, they can play a role to influence foreign officials. It’s kind of lobbying work based on the their prior connections.

            Thanks,

          • Brhan

            Retired ones?!
            ዋይ…ናዓማ ኸዚ …ካብ ነበረኒ እማ እኒእኒ
            Have a blessed night my friend.

        • Aligaz G

          Sami,

          Nice construct but running out of steam. Also you are forgetting article 39.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            You ain’t saying anything. The guy gave you facts and you’re talking about trains, engines, steam and vapour. Derguepathy has that cluster of symptoms.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Are you decompensating again?

    • Selam Samuel,

      You said that “60 to 70% of ENDF military hardware is still in Tigray boarder, thus you can do your own math.”, which in other words mean it is in the hands of tplf/woyane. The military comes from all ethnic groups. Do you think that you can overrun and make them surrender without resistance. Or, can’t they fight their way out of tigray? What do you think the rest of the country will do? Will it sit and watch as the ethiopian military is hijacked by tplf/woyane, or you will have another front from the south and they may meet in the center, thus turning tigray into a battlefield?
      Why do you invest in war that is going to consume you? Is this the thing you are preparing for the people of tigray? Try to understand that no one is going to fight tplf in tigray. There is no reason for that. It will be left there to degenerate until it is completely consumed with time, and the people of tigray come up with a free and a new regional government.
      It shows that you people have lost all options, and war seems to be your only and last option. In reality, tplf/woyane is the worst enemy of the people of tigray.

      • Samuel

        Selam Horizon,
        ENDF is Ethiopia’s defense force, thus its not owned by anyone, Abiy can’t own it, TPLF can’t own it. ENDF will defend the constitution, that’s it.
        My point with that line is if IA dare to do certain aggression then I am trying to provide the possible POWER that awaits him. ENDF has constitutional mandate to defend its boarder, that’s it. I didn’t say TPLF can use ENDF to attack Abiy or anything that nature. ENDF mission is to protect the constitution, which includes to protect Nation Nationalities.

        Are you ok if Abiy closes electricity, Internet, Tele, roads that connects to Tigray? Is that the right move for him? If yes, do you think Tigray government has to seat and let his people die?

        Thanks,

        • Selam Samuel,
          Nobody has the right to cut off vital services like electricity, road connection to block supplies, etc, things that could hurt the ordinary people, to any member of the federation. Nevertheless, if a regional state leaves the federation, yes, the government has the right. Moreover, if it acts as a rogue state, the central government can take any measures that don’t hurt the people in any major way, but could make the rogue rulers dysfunctional.

    • David Samson

      Selam Samuel,

      The analysis is flawed from the outset. You made a few erroneous assumptions. Some of the them are deliberate and some perhaps are not.

      You portrayed Mesfin Hagos as if he is a real dealmaker and player. He is not. Mesfin has been out of politics for over 25-years; he has neither a base not a constituent within Eritrean’s current politics. He was popular among the section of the army during the liberation struggle. He had played a negligent role in the post-liberation government. As a politician, he can see the timing is right and feels there is an opportunity to topple IA, but I have very much doubt he will make an indent. I do not believe for a minute any Eritrean will die for Mesfin or any other politician.

      The other assumption is IA. Many Tigrayans deliberately over-play IA’s role in Ethiopian’s politics. IA was cornered by Meles’(RIP) government and was about to spend his remaining life in Adi-Halo. IA is born Machiavellian. When Machiavelli was referring to “Fortuna”, he is talking about IA. IA has luck throughout his life; he defies many predictions and survived against all the odds. When his gambles and adventurers fail, he waits patiently until the tide turns in his favour. Cov-19 is another IA’s Fortuna. IA has been using whatever presented to him by the failure of his enemies. After TPLF unsited from Addis and fled to its base, IA has tried to grape the opportunity to destroy his enemies. We all know IA does not hide behind nice words and diplomacy. He has one unfinished job left: to get rid of TPLF if he can.

      The battle in Ethiopia— looking from regional politics—is how the country should be governed. It is the battle between the Federalist and Unionist. IA has a minor role to play in Ethio’s politics. He does not have time for a talk or resolving issues
      on a table. IA always lives and thrives on chaos and conflicts. Not many Eritreans read IA’s mind when he made the remark in early 90’s: “Life was busy and had lots things to get on during the liberation era, but I am now spending a boring life.” IA gets easily bored on peaceful environment. ABIY has pulled over from two opposite directions. The picture is not clear which side has the upper hand. Sep-20 is meant to give us clarity, but like his friend, ABIY has Machiavelli on his side. He has received the perfect gift to hide behind the pandemic. It is highly likely ABIY is now listening to IA and probably urges him to use force and terror to silence his political enemies. That is all IA could play in Ethio’s politics. TPLF is also using the non-existence threat from IA’s for its own domestic consumption. The top TPLF’s elites know that IA does not have the capacity to strike and is hardly a threat to TPLF

      • Samuel

        Selam David Samson,
        You said — “You portrayed Mesfin Hagos as if he is a real dealmaker and player.”

        Where did I say that? I haven’t even discussed about the opposition a single line, I didn’t mention Mesfin Hagos at all. Let’s focus on what I said.
        The main actors that I have discussed are IA, Abiy and Tigray(TPLF). Because those actors have defined territory, security, resource, people they administer, etc.

        Thanks,

        • David Samson

          Selam Samuel,

          Someone did!

          “From Ismail AA to GitSAtSE — Of course you would forgive me if I
          mess up with some calculus concerning power relations. It is just simple arithmetic of putting side by side what an Abij- Isayas alliance
          possess against what TPLF- Ato Mesfin Hagos lead alliance could count for.”

      • Kaddis

        Hi David

        I couldn’t respond to your nice comments a week ago …on this one ….IA and his sponsors paid off their investment on the hate media ESAT and G7, plus his gulf hustle …so he is the big deal now in Ethiopia politics. No doubt
        Now the ESAT promoted blame everything on tigray and federalism becomes a gov media spin, even appreciated by member of parliament last week

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Samuel,
      It indeed helps and more. Thank you for educating us on an important core issue without which it may not be possible to examine political relations. Actually, I threw the matter as a passing comment, but keen observer that you are, you noted the centrality of the matter to the politics of the region and the various players, and invested time to give us beautiful analysis. It is Great job brother, and thank you again.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Ismail; I can’t believe it you fall for that BS. I don’t why but the Eritrean opposition members fall with every TPLF thugs gimmick. Now, what exactly did you learn from the article you seem to be impressed? I just wanted to know what I am missing?

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Nitricc,
          Sorry, didn’t get what you are talking about. I mean, which article? I just responded to an analysis Samuel wrote around a passing comment I jotted earlier.

      • Samuel

        Thank you, Ismail AA. I appreciate it.

        Thanks,

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Brother Horizon,,

    It is long back, since you have taken stand different from mine. I don’t know why, but we are in different side of struggle..I noted that..from your posts….promise me now you will read and reply to me in every post and I will start talking to you smoothly to narrow the difference between us.

    KS,,

  • Folks,

    I heard from a friend that Debretsion in an interview has said that the only thing remaining to happen is KuaH KuaH.
    In my short stay these past few days, I have observed that the lines are being drawn bolder and bolder with everyone choosing one side or the other. There are much darker clouds forming these days over the region than those of the late 1990s. I have at this moment this great fear arising in my soul. The fear of the return of hell to Eritrea and Ethiopia or my demise by the contracting of COVID19, whichever comes first. My only remedy or defense from the pain of either of the two occurring is to Socially Distance physically and virtually. See you all I a few years. Thanks for all the warm welcomes and sorry can’t stay longer for I am missing the serenity and peace of mind I have come to cherish which is the out of sight out of mind.

    Good bye.

    GitSAtSE

    • Paulos

      Selamat Tsa-Tse Arkey,

      The war thing is just a bluff for Isaias doesn’t trust his Generals much less the low ranking military where the same is the case with Abiy as well when it is impractical to attack a region without engulfing the entire nation. In the end, the only way out is to sit and talk all the concerned parties involved.

      Remember, Eritrea is not Ethiopia where one man can police its entirety with a brute force. In that kind of scenario, the history of the country is replete with people taking their causes to the mountains when they called themselves ሽፍታ as it was the case with Kassa Hailu later Emperor Tewodros; Patriotes or ኣርበኞች during the brief Italian occupation and ነጻ-ኣውጪ ግንባር or Liberation Fronts when the Dergue was in power. Abiy should have a sense of history for history has a compulsion of repeating itself.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ገለ ተቓወምቲ ተሓዋዊሱዎም
    መርዓ ህግደፍ ምስ ኢሰፓ ናፊቖም
    ምሕዝነት ክልቲኦም ደጊፎም
    መሪቖም

    እሞ
    ‘ንታይ ደኣዩ ትርጉም ምቅላሶም?
    ኢሳያስ ክንኣሊ ዝብሉ ብኣፎም
    ሓገዝ ኣይንደልን ይብሉ ድማ
    ጽንሕ ኢሎም
    ኣደናጊረኩም ዶ?
    በሉ ንሕተት ነቶም ዝርድኦም
    ‘ምበር ኣነስ ተሓዋዊሱ ይብል

    ዋላ ትዓቢ ሸይጣን!
    ካብ ላዕሊ ተዝወርድ
    እሞ ተዝብለኒ
    መጺአ ኣለኹ ክሕግዝ
    ነዞም
    ናይ መሬት ሰይጣውንቲ ክሓርድ
    ተዝብለኒ
    ሰኒ! ምበልኩዎ
    Can you blame me?

    • Brhan

      መርሓባ መሃንዲስ
      I can’t blame you and ….

      ሓደ ብሩኽ
      ካብ ውሽጢ በሎኽ
      ከም ልኡኽ
      ክሰጎ ነቲ ወልቀ መላኽ

      ዝተመስከረ ኢዩ ኣብ ታሪኽ
      ካብ ጥንታዊት ግሪኽ

      ኣብዘ ለኻ ሊኻ
      ደሃይ ግበር ናብ በረኻ
      ኣብሽር በሎ ንሓውኻ
      ዓደይ ተባሪኻ!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Nice poem, Brhan!

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; I don’t know if this action by PIA and PMAA is to burn the TPLF thugs alive to ashes but not a wise move by PIA. why in the hell would you take a foreign leader in to a nations military base? I understand the message that will send to the criminal thugs but you can’t break the code of the military. I know the thugs are on their final leg and a show like PMAA going to sawa will send shook’s through the thugs spine but, but you don’t do what PIA did. Not only Wrong move but bone-head move.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc,

      Do you know Sawa? Last time I checked it was a secondary school. At the height of the military era it was only a training camp and not big deal if Abiy visits his special forces training nearby. BTW when will you completing your military service?

      • Nitricc

        not big deal if Abiy visits his special forces training nearby

        Hi Amanuel; hmmmmm well; are you just guessing or do you have some tangible evidence? I ask this because that could be the very reason for PMAA to go to Sawa. SAWA is a military base of the nation. If Sawa is not a military base Why should i go to Sawa to do my military service? You see how off you are?

        • Amanuel

          Sorry Nitricc but this is the problem with you armchair generals. Do you know the difference between military training camp and military base? Please read. I didn’t ask you to go to Sawa. What I have asked you was when you are doing your military service.

          • Nitricc

            this is the problem with you armchair generals

            This the problem with old timers. They think everything is like used to be. in today’s military analysis; your type, quality and terrain of the training comp will reveal your military strength, quality, capability and applicability. But again you don’t know that, you are stuck in the past.

    • Abi

      General
      Abiy visiting SAWA means Isu has the utmost confidence that Ethiopia is not a threat to Eritreans. Besides, there is nothing that the Ethiopian military and security forces don’t know about SAWA.
      Most SAWA graduates and some officials are in Ethiopia. It takes only 30 minutes to debrief and document all they know about the camp.
      Don’t make it look like it is a high security military establishment. It is more of a summer boot camp.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Abiy; it could be many things but one thing is for sure; the END of TPLF thugs. Eritrean chief of stuff is in Sudan and Colonel-Doctor ABiy is in Sawa; i can see TPLF thugs soiling their pants. For the record, it is never good or advisable to any a head of state to take anther head of state from different country in to any military establishment. However; they may have don’t it to stick it up to the TPLF thugs.

        • Abi

          General
          The stupid weyanes are soiling their pants.

        • Brhan

          Hi Nitricc,
          Just to share with you a recent history events that might interest you . The Derg did not give a chance to the King but grabbed him by his neck from his throne to take him directly to a stinky cell. The EPLF / TPLF did the same to the Derg gang members, only, Mengistu who came to power from Harar sneaked to Harare. I believe Abiy who protected the TPLF guys go to Tigray smoothly with arms and money, is now regretting and the dictator in Eritrea is telling him he has a technical solution.
          I hope you enjoyed my info with humor (ዋዛ ምስ ቁም ነገር)

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Nitricc,

      Not only Wrong move but bone-head move [by IA].

      Welcome to our world:).

      Berhe

      • iSem

        Hi BY:
        do not be impressed yet. Nitricc thinks PMAA is a foreign leaders, he has forgotten that PMAA has been annoitted “you are our leader from now..”
        🙂

        • Sultan M.G.

          Wed Aboye Andom:
          Welcome back wo asenyaka!
          A leader , who cannot stabilize his own nation cannot be also Eritrea’s Leader !
          But u sound to be a happy camper if the TPLF becomes Eritrea’s Leader!

      • Sultan M.G.

        Come on Berhe Tsaida!
        Visiting of a Training Camp by a Foreign Leader has nothing to do with interfering or jeopardizing Eritrea’s Security

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Hope,

          I am going along with Niticc blaming the Resi Akat.

          Berhe

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Nitricc,

      General Nitricc, you read your morning papers and came up with your own pronouncements, always about the thugs, the world is full of thugs these days. Let us not mind the article we are writing under, by the way, it was a great article and I am waiting for another similar one coming up soon, I hope.

      This gives me an opportunity to follow your lead. I have read the last couple of weeks news articles, opinions and comments and here is my pronouncement to tie it all in. Forgive me for the length.

      This is not a point of view of a social scientist, dripping with evidence and details. It is my own observation and thought gained from here and there.

      I think Governments who believe in and attempt or commit to work under a system of Democracy must at the same time be willing to defend its institutions vigorously.
      We have seen it time and again how the “non-democrats” use tactics to seize power. They appear to play by the same rules during the day and act terrorists by night.These power hungry individuals and groups define and re-define terminology to facilitate their marketing and growing their organizations.
      To provoke conversation with you and others I will bring in EPLF + used one half century ago as an example.
      One of the main effective tools they used was to intimidate, blackmail and terrorize and gain the cooperation of certain and specific crucial Government officials. (threats on life, kidnap children or family members etc.)
      Once this type of activity takes a hold the functioning of the Government is corrupted. If this social cancer is left alone to fester, it is only a matter of time before it grows and kills the weak Government.

      One way to combat or avoid such eventuality is to do what PIA is doing. You have enough spies and identify the activists who attempt intimidation and root it out with certain severe punishment. Damn be the perceptions and sanctions of appearing non Democratic. Just do it and be quiet about it.
      I am not advocating this method because of the enormous cost and collateral damage, however, it works, doesn’t it?

      Another way would be to empower and develop skillful way to investigate and augment the police power. The laws on the books have to be clear and severe to deter such activity. Never mind the arm chair generals and theoretical democrats wailing from the high towers they live in.

      The recent Shashemenie burning of businesses and ethnic cleansing, intimidation with the “Allah Aqubar” exhibited during the riot in broad daylight while the local police force watched from the sidelines is a sad display of where we are in Ethiopia today.

      There are reports that indicate George Soros an 89 year old billionaire, is funding radicals and left leaning operatives in the U.S. He is effective and a force to reckon with. Mind you he is dealing with the only super power in the world.

      So it is not far-fetched to deduce that we have multiple super billionaires in our neighborhood, some of them ignorant, who want to use their money to pave their entitlement of heavenly comfort.
      I wish those who have sufficient and direct knowledge of this phenomena would write an article or comment about it. The organizing and the intimidation methods, that is.

      Our nation is fighting an incoming tide. It is a recipe for disaster to produce thousands upon thousands of high school graduates and drop outs with no jobs. The harsh life under these conditions is a fertile ground for recruitment and indoctrination by these billionaires and activists. It is easy to establish a negative industry of protesters and more. I haven’t even talked about our public enemies.

      Mr K.H

      • Sultan M.G.

        Kim:
        A realistic and practical analysis!
        I would have supported PIA had he implemented the Constitution at least partially and had he minimized the kidnapping and near decimation of the 95-95% of the EPLF Founders..
        But I partially agree with you when a nation is in serious crisis since a “ good dictator “ is essential during such unpredictable situation.
        If the Querro used “Allah Wo Akbar” Slogan during the reckless demonstration, then we were right n the $$ when we suspected that Jawar was into something from the get to go !
        PIA could have been the perfect antidote for such a mess in Ethiopia.

        • no one

          Selam Sultan,
          who the hell is he restructuring the federalism. First he should be elected by the People. His Job is just to secure the conutry and prepare a fair election no more no less. The other thing he can do if he is elected.

          • Sultan M.G.

            No one, indeed.
            He dues not need to be an ejected PM to stabilize the nation even though he was elected by his Party!
            He has an obligation to fulfill his obligation as a de facto Leader!

      • Paulos

        Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

        Thank you for the sober insight. If we have to pick the year that had heralded the “Naissance” or “Birth” of the geographic concept of Ethiopia to be 1270 A.D. [Yikuno-Amlak, Amde-Tsion—-Zera-Yacob] and the year 1991 as the “Re-Naissance” or “Rebirth” of the New Ethiopia, it is precisely because it was the realization of Ethiopia as a Multi-National State as opposed to a Nation-State.

        It needed a tremendous political will and courage to speak of Ethiopia for what it is instead of pretending for what it never was. There was a serious danger in the “Rebirth” for it could have been a still where the Nations and Nationalities could have gone into a full blown revenge against those who had done them wrong. But luckily a document was drafted and ratified where their rights are respected including to be the sole owners of their respective destinies as well. And it worked for the people value more freedom in tandem with food on their table as well.

        The simple logic is that, if you take the freedom and the food away through a brute force, the people will push back harder to the point of breaking point including when the landmarks of Naissance and Renaissance become the thing of the past and fading memories as well. Abiy needs to make a crucial choice–either to listen to a deranged old man who got nothing to offer except loads of grudges or he should listen to the murmurs of history as they are the guiding lights in times of making difficult choices.

        • Abi

          Paulination
          What document are you talking about?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Immigration documents.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Got it.
            Your exit visa is ready. Please come and collect your passport at your convenience at the self-service kiosk #39 which is open 24/7.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dr. Paulos,

          Unfortunately, Abij has reached a point where his only remaining option is to return to the measures the EPRDF coalition government had been undertaking to keep the country together, which to say deployment of state power and its tools, on the one hand, and on the other working to democratize the federal system. As we know, he rode on the grievances that situation had created and rose to power. But, the million dollars question is what are his chances to return to the status qou ante, and stabilize the situation. It seem the geny is already out of the bottle, and neither he nor help from the despot in Eritrea seem to be able to return it back.

          • Selam Ismail AA,

            Internal ethnic rivalries, the fall of the soviet union, and the triumph of neoliberalism and globalization, resulted in the disintegration of the former Yugoslavia. In the ethiopian case foreign actors, mainly egypt, which itself seems to have its own big problem lately with turkey, have failed to push ethiopia over the edge. Internal anti-ethiopian forces and extremist tribalists are therefore mainly the ones the ethiopian government faces, although one can not rule out that they could be controlled and funded by external powers.
            There is one important fact, that people choose their security over democracy, and when the safety of citizens is in danger, they will ask for protection by the government. This is one of the ways authoritarianism may come to a country. It all depends on how far these forces of instability and insecurity will push the ethiopian society and government.
            Although pm AA’s government doesn’t seem to be inherently authoritarian, nevertheless, the above mentioned forces could force the government to apply state power to stabilize the country and protect citizens. This of course will be a drawback on the progress of the country towards democracy, whenever force is applied for one reason or another.
            Even today, there are many who are asking: where is the state, why doesn’t the government unleash its force and protect the people? At one point, the government will be forced to use its power when internal anti-ethiopian forces are creating a chaotic situation, the rule of law is undermined and the country is destabilized. It can’t go on like that for ever.
            Some political forces have chosen to kill, destroy and terrorize the people to ascend power. If they continue, I think that it will not be far when the government will be forced to show them that they can’t continue to be above the law. It will not be business as usual for all these destabilizing forces. There will come a time when the state will say enough is enough.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Aren’t they already unleashed the protester? What is unleashed for you?

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            Up to now the government has been acting as a firefighter, running after one crisis after the other to control the situation. Even then not in an effective way. The next time the government should be proactive. Not only should it put out the fire, it shouldn’t give them the chance to start the fire in the first place. I think the government has the way and the means. Then, we will start calling it authoritarian instead of calling it incompetent, as we do today.
            In my opinion, the security and any relevant body should be overhauled, and those with narrow ethic feelings should have no place. As we saw the last time, they were standing irresponsibly inactive and some of them were even giving their weapons to the terrorists to help them murder more innocent ethiopians, simply because they happen to be speaking a different language. Such members of the security forces have been put behind bars and I hope that they will get what they deserve. The savages and their accomplices should be apprehended as they are planning and not after they have carried out their murderous acts.
            Then we will start calling the government a dictatorship. As we accuse the government, we should also condemn all the anti-peace and destabilizing forces that do not allow democracy to come to the land.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Let me quote you: “……..we will start calling it authoritarian instead of calling it incompetent, as we do today.”

            From your statement, I could understand that you admit Abiy’s government was incompetent. But now the incompetent government is transformed to become authoritarian government. This is progress on your side, at least on defining the nature of the government and for what it is thriving to become.

            Second, the same statement also indicates, that it is okay for you to have an authoritarian leader who focus on “security“ and fill the prison houses that were emptied two years ago. If I am not wrong you welcomed the release of all prisoners of all sorts (criminal & political) at that time. And now you are welcoming to throw the oppositions and protesters into dungeons. This is another flipping in your position. With this position you can not be one of those who fights and expect democracy in Ethiopia. But the good thing is: you made your position clear, if you don’t make another flip. Welcome Ethiopians to share the same life as Eritreans under an authoritarian government.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            Come on, you know very well that i was talking about you and your group, who call the ethiopian pm every demeaning name under the sun, as if it is going to have any effect on him. Don’t expect me to support you in your name calling. On the contrary, your problem is that he is enduring more than you expect him or want him to endure.
            What tplf did purposefully and out of conviction, and what pm AA may be forced to do for the sake of peace and security of the people, because people demand it to save their lives and wealth, are not the same. You know it very well. Tplf put ethiopians in prison, killed, tortured and terrorized in a fascistic way, because of their ethnicity, political stand and for daring to demonstrate, not because they killed innocent people or destroyed properties.
            Are you blind and deaf to the killings, the destruction, and you want to see these people go scot free, or any criminal for that? You didn’t say a word when mz/tplf were killing, incarcerating, torturing, and looting and now you stand on the side of criminals, simply because the law is applied by another government.
            You are fishing in muddy waters. You have compromised your stand by standing on the wrong side of history, with mz/tplf, and you can’t absolve yourself however you try.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Are you going to tell us that there were no looting and vandalizing properties in the streets of Addis in 2005? Come on Horizon? Are you going to tell us that there were no industries set to fire (as a matter of fact eleven industries) in the Southern state or kilil, during Desalegn? Come on Horizon. What is the difference between the looting in those days and the looting and burning these days. Opposition and protester were sent to jail during those days and are sending them to jail today. There is no difference on what has transpired in your country on both instances. The only difference now is, it is okay with you to throw protesters and oppositions leaders in to jails. In any case, as you have depicted correctly, the incompetent leader is transforming in to an authoritarian leader. I agree to that. Good luck, more blood letting is on the horizon, if you are watching the conspiracy in the making.

            A new phenomenon: A central government making alliance with a foreign force to make an attack on one of your kilils, unheard in the history of mankind. Today for Tigray kilil and Tigray people, tomorrow to th Oromo kilil and Oromo people, if it happened at all. Historians and political scientists are watching from far how this this new phenomenon will unfold.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,

            What has tplf done to you, really? It looks as if tplf has carried out a brain transplant on you so that you can see, hear and understand only things that show tplf in the brightest light possible, and you stand for everything that serves its interest. It is impossible to worship a mortal so much, as you do.
            I said, if tplf attacks Eritrea, the ethiopian government may be forced to stand on the side of eritrea to stop the illegal aggression. By the way, do you support aggression by tplf against Eritrea?
            Why do you try to compartmentalize ethiopian history, mz/tplf’s which should not be discussed, and the present government which should be crucified. Don’t you understand that you cannot speak about Abiy without speaking about mz/tplf, and you can’t speak about ethiopia without speaking about eritrea, and vise versa.
            I could be dancing left and right, but you chose to hide. Tplf has programmed you and you are not aware of it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            What has Abiy done to you, really? You look as if Abiy has transplant a new brain on you to talk like him act like him, and lies like him – a brain that can be maneuvered by remote control. Horizon, do you want us travel to such apolitical nasty road. Why don’t have humility and talk real politicking? Do you feel good to say this to you, as a reciprocal to your indecent statement you said to me? Think about it and grow up please to avoid this kids tit-for-tat.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            You need to work on your comprehension skills.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi,

            I am always ahead of you on the mechanics of politics. You have to work hard to catch up on what I talking.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            You are kind of rusty or may be you need rest. The only conspiracy is in your exhausted mind.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Aman,

            Thank you for you scientific understanding..Long struggle is your system..You are heavy duty long fighter without rest,

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            I agree with you Amuni needs rest.
            Now, which part of worshipping the dying Tplf is considered scientific understanding?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            I am telling to Aman and he will understand what I am saying..Now, what you are doing is separate us,,See, don’t tray to do such childish game..We are long time comrades,When your Derg was on power..Do you remember? From that time we are just friends..

            In fact I am angry from my Aman for being serious and compare him self with you..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Take it easy.
            I’m not trying to separate the two comrades in crimes. I think It is practically impossible to separate a person from his shadow.
            Let me make it clear to you. አንተ የአማኑኤል ጥላ ያዡ ብቻ ሳትሆን ጥላውም ነህ::
            “እየለቃቀሙ የሚበሉለት
            አንድ ወፍ ነበረ ሁለት አፍ ያሉት”
            ( ከበደ ሚካኤል)
            መረጋጋት አይጉደልህ

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡ እንደምን ዋሉ?

            ወደ ቁም-ነገር ልመልስዎት። የጥላ ነገር ካነሱ፡ ጃንጥላ ለምን ጃንጥላ ተባለ?

            በስተኋላው ሁለተኛ ኣፍ መሰል ያለው ወፍ በኣማርኛ ምን ይባላል? እርግጠኛ ስላልሆንኩኝ ነው።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እኔ ደህና ነኝ:: እርስዎ እንዴት ውለዋል ሊቀመኳስ?
            ጃንጥላ የጃንሆይ ጥላ ከሚለው የመጣ ይመስለኛል::

            ሁለት አፍ መሰል ያለው ወፍ በአማርኛ አማኑኤል ይባላል::

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            የመጀርያው ትክክል፡ ሁለተኛው ስሕተት
            Hoopoe እንዳርማሚቶ ቢሉት ምን ነበረበት
            ኣይደል እንዴ?

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ተሳሳትኩ እንዴ?
            Is Hoopoe in English? Hope in short? Now it makes sense:)

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Prof Aman.
            With all due respect to you,Sir, I have NEVER READ you talking about the destabilizing roles of the TPLF and its mercenaries in the Ethiopian Opposition!
            Why is that?
            Not to mention that you never attempted to acknowledge the good acts and approaches of Dr AAA, which enabled him to be honored with the Nobel PeacecPrize!

          • no one

            Hi Horizon,

            the Absence of democracy become a treat to security on today’s Ethiopia.

          • Sultan M.G.

            No one:
            You a real NO ONE WITH NO CLUE.
            Define democracy specially in its African Context!
            Democracy does not mean anarchy or allowing anarchy and chaos and recklessness.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            First, let me state an observed fact on my part. I admire your remarkable consistency and passionate follow up of your views about the affairs of your country since the emergence of Dr. Abij Ahmed.

            Furthermore, the volatility of the situation in Ethiopia at the present is trans-frontiers worry to the peoples in the region. I think you have now realized the exigencies facing the nation lately, and I seen to read you advocating that the government of Dr. Abij should resort to classical deployment of state control. You seem to have realized that short of such scheme the country would slip to unforeseeable negative conditions given how far the centrifugal forces have come since the launching of the “medemer” policy Dr. Abij, and the quarters that have been helping him to pursue the game.

            Now, the question that should be haunting them is whether they would be able to go back and restore what they themselves have dismantled. I mean resorting to state power and filling again the jails and forcing opponents back to exile. If at all that would happen, it would be return to familiar vicious circle: repression-resistance situation that had forced Hailemariam Desalegn to exit and open the way to Abij to take over.

          • Selam Ismail AA,
            The aim is to curb violence and not to curtail the freedom of people. The aim is not to affect the freedom of speech and political desent. It is about fighting hate speech, criminal acts and insure the security of citizens. It is not about imprisoning people because of their political belief. It is about the killers, arsonists and ultra nationalists. It is about people like jawar and bekele g. who call their hit squad to the streets. It is about peace and tranquility of the people and stability of the country that should be protected.
            If one does not like the political stand of the opposition one doesn’t bring them out of prison or call them back from exile. The government has proved that in action. The transgression is from the side of opportunist politicians like jawar.
            It is about carrying out peaceful political struggle, and not street radicalism and burning the country to ashes. Those who trade in violence will be controlled.
            If one calls this dictatorship, that is up to them. It is about protecting the rights of law abiding citizens. It is about fighting anarchy and protecting the lives of people and their hard won property.
            One doesn’t have to burn the house to get rid of the rats. It is possible to control the anti-peace and anti-Ethiopia forces by implement the law of the land.
            Prisons will be for those who break the law and commit crimes, and not for those who oppose the government. These people have become above the law.
            This is the essence of control i have in mind.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Horizon,

            I take notice of the rationale at the center of your argument. It is a classic measure those in power resort to when they face serious challenge as sin qua non to justify use of extraordinary power to stem off assault from opponents. Even reckless and lawless dictators like the one in my country talk about rule of law, and that no one should be above the law etc. Of course you understand I am just making conventional statement, and not comparing the situation in your country to what exists in mine. But, the point we should pay attention to is whether imposition by state power control would have enduring solution of the problems that ignite the action.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Ismail AA,

            I admire you approach and style,,Really, you are among few nice leaders it is really. Thank you for teaching us in how to deal in politics and without contradicting the opposite side, This site had become university in it self..

            KS,,

          • Admassie

            Selam Ismail AA,

            “But, the point we should pay attention to is whether imposition by state power control would have enduring solution of the problems that ignite the action.” That is the core point. Thank you.

            I am writing this being in a total frustration. Because, the last violence that has taken many lives and destroyed so much livelihood in the country was deadly. On our part, in Addis, sitting in the middle of a state capital, most of us had a feeling that we were safe from a violence coming from the surrounding towns. But we were deadly wrong. It came to our door again and there was nowhere to hide. The minute we heard a shouting mob and shootings on our street we knew that the violence will not be the last one. Sadly we were hostage and we were left to our own counter reaction. After the first day of violence, we started to defend ourselves. We had enough being hostage! Unfortunately that itself is not going to help us in the long run.

            The violence is not happening because that the government was tolerant for the sake of “በሆደ ሰፊነትና የዴሞክራሲ ልምምድ ስለሌለን” mantra as if democracy is like a mountain hike that we can accomplish within hours or days. No! The government is killing and jailing. The violence is happening, because the government does not have a viable road map how to manage the crisis of the country from the start. We are getting from one crisis to another every few months. Now we are spiraling down wards. But what is Abiy doing? Well… He is doing like all Ethiopian governments before him did. Misplacing the root cause of the crisis and blaming others!!

            The one who are burning my country are the same Qierro that brought Abiy to power few years ago. They were using the same brutality on innocent people and their property. But they were hailed and praised by Abiy then, because it was “against TPLF”. The same Qierro are now using the same brutality on innocent people and their property. But labelled differently as “anti Ethiopia”, because they happened to be against Abiy!

            I wish my country is doing OK so that we all rest at peace. But she is not. When Abiy came to power, the general majority of the country was in a total consensus for a positive CHANGE. But we did not set which ROAD will lead us to that CHANGE. Therefore, Abiy can’t claim as if we mandated him his ROAD. If others are challenging him because they felt his ROAD is wrong, they have a constitutional right to do so. But he chose instead to wage a propaganda war against them as if they are an enemy of their own country assuming negating him to mean negating Ethiopia.

            Neither war nor exclusion will bring peace to my country. Both did not work before and will not work in the future. Abiy does not have any option except to bring all political actors to the table and negotiate our future before it is to late for us, the citizens, who are toiling to build our lives and our country!

          • Paulos

            Selam Admassie,

            Your comment feels like pleading with a leader where it could’ve been an open letter to Abiy. That said, your agony resonates with the rest of us. It is sad and unfortunate that once hopeful Ethiopia is dragged into uncertain future when the dark clouds are hoovering to burst open not if but when.

            Abiy is not Jewar or Skinder Negga for both have a political capital to show for where to the very least their activism was a badge worthy of ascending to power. Abiy on the other hand is a mystery man who had come from no where and stole the mantle of power where others have sweat and toiled. The mystery doesn’t end there for it seems he is indebted to external forces when he is under tremendous pressure to undertake something he promised for an exchange of power. If that was not the case why would he keep riding into the cliff when he could easily as you put it call for a national dialogue to reset and realign the nation into normalcy? There is something we don’t know, something of a mystery that is holding him back where he runs to Isaias for consolation instead of coming clean with the Ethiopian people what ever treason he may have committed. It is not too late for him.

          • Admassie

            Selam paulos,

            I have an open letter to him, only it is sitting on my note book:-) I may put it in this forum one day.

            That “mystery” thing is indeed a good observation.
            Back in January(?) we heard Abiy agreed to the mediation of the USA regarding GERD’s negotiation. Abiy told us then that the USA is involved as “an observer only”. But as you know, the USA ended up not as “an observer only” not even as a mediator but it became the main negotiator on behalf of Egypt. Ethiopia was on the verge of signing the skewed document tabled by the USA. Thanks to concerned citizens and the Ethiopian people who stood against the signing, Abiy forced to abandon the document and the negotiation.

            But, why was Abiy flirting with US’s involvement in the negotiation? Why did he lie about US’s role in the negotiation? Was he really to sign if Ethiopians were not standing against the signing?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Admassie,

            You asked: “why did he lie about US role in the negotiations”? Because he is a pathological lair. I stopped counting his lies.

          • Teodros Alem

            admassie
            1, did u said our street? which street r u talking about? What happened to “stegede” street, man u have to know those streets that u talking about is more closer to those killers than u “stegede”.. the streets that u taking about is my street, not urs or galas.
            i born and grow up in addis, that is the only place i lived in ethiopia.
            2, u said we had being hostage, u and ur likes r the one who made urself hostage and other hostages, u guys r by far the most criminals than the savage galas.
            3, u said innocent people and their property attacked, i’m sure u guys don’t include urself in the category of “innocent” people? u guys r the creators of this killing and mess, i will be supportive if the savage galas differentiate u guys (master mind of the crime) from the innocent people.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Admassie,

            Wiow! I could see your pain about your country. I hope the situation to subside soon.

          • Admassie

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Welcome back and my condolences to your loss.
            I wish things subdue. But we do not know when and what flares the next violence.

            Unfortunately we are caught in two deadly realities: COVID 19 and political crisis. Both are degrading our economy and creating total frustration in our society. This affects mainly the urban poor and as a result will lead to desperation and violence. This will be additional crisis to the existing one. Sadly it is hope against hope.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Admassie,

            Why is so difficult to sit in table and address all kinds of grievances, while they have rules of engagement based on the existing constitution? What is all this “alliance of conspiracy” against one of your “state” with foreign forces? Man, something is wrong with the ruling clique. If it leads to war, there is no way out of it, and there is no Ethiopia that we know it. The problem with this is (a) Ethiopians don’t have a “collective history” that all your social forces could agree on (b) they don’t believe on shared responsibilities (c) they don’t believe on fair share of power which is very crucial for multicultural society. I wish you to come out without bloodshed from this mess you are in. Leadership with wisdom is paramount in such situation.

            Regard

          • Nitricc

            Hi Admassie; Did you feel the same way when the people of Oromo and Amara were massacred by the Agazi army?

      • Selam Kim Hanna,

        What do you think of the last confrontation between the anti-ethiopian forces of chaos, killings and destruction and those who want to see the continuation of ethiopia?
        Abiy seems to have caught the tiger by the tail. He has dared to put behind bars people like jawar, bekele g and others who have more or less become the “other government” in oromia, by surrounding themselves with extremists.
        The known knows had tried to use the same old weapon of appeasement with the help of elders and others, and from what i understood, AA seems to have told them that it is in the hands of the law, and the law is the one which should give the final judgement.
        It is obvious that one of the two must come out a winner, because the bridge between them seems to have been burnt once forever. Jawar can’t continue to be the other government and Abiy can’t remain reluctant anymore trying to babysit those who have become above the law, when horrendous crimes are committed by extremists in front of his eyes.
        It seems that Abiy has reached the point of no return. He will either come out a winner or he will risk his future, in which case the country will enter a worse chaotic situation. His patience has been seen as his weakness, and it has not helped, and democracy and anarchy have no difference, as much as certain opportunist politicians are concerned. It is now or never to control the situation with legal and democratic means, with stick (the law) when necessary and not only carrots

        • no one

          Selam Horizon,

          Do you think there is justice in Ethiopia or do you belive?

          • Selam no one,
            Ethiopia is trying to move towards democracy, justice and the rule of law, but the way is blocked by anti-peace and anti-democracy forces. That is the problem. Nevertheless, we can’t say that she is in the doldrums. The law tries to work as much as possible.

  • abdu

    Salam Lebam

    Sorry i have to bring my reply up here.

    One of the main reasons we (me & friends that I know) visit this great website is to see if our intellectuals come up with a solution for Eritrea and Eritreans who are suffering under the DIA. But it is sad to see some of our intellectuals are busy defending TPLF and calling PFDJ if you attack weyane.
    i didn’t write my comment about weyane, why they didn’t help Eritrean opposition, to debate or for the sake of debate, but to share what could be the reason.
    Lebam thank you, you tried to explain my message but instead of refuting my claim, as usual PFDJ troll to create division in the name of religion.
    TPLF has well know recorded of hate against Muslims.
    1. Jebha , instead of saying to EPLF solve your Issue with ELF peacefully. They killed tegadelti jebha. how many family members do i lost in that fight ……….
    2. Ethiopian constitution has an article that government doesn’t interfere in religion, but during their power what they did to Ethiopian Muslims NO need to Explain
    3. Agazian. I don’t afraid of Agazian. The Real Eritrean Christians will take care of them. They way our grandparents did to Yohanes and Alula. in fact, as we speak they are the one who are opposing them more than we ( Me and the Muslims that i know) do.
    we hear so many times here, TPLF has nothing to do with Agazian. if it is true why do they give them a platform in their media.
    TPLF are good in deception. The game they start now AHWAT ENDINA.( Yes the people of tiray are our brothers so do the people of Sudan, Djibouti..) is to climb back to 4killo.
    they forgot that they BROCK AND DEPORTED the ladder that helps them to climb to 4killo in 1991 because of the COLORS OF ITS EYES.
    Now i don’t know what to call them if there are Eritreans would believe TPLF.

    Lebam and MM
    MM i am sorry for the loss of your family members but yours were for independence and defending Eritrea. mine personally, family members, cousins and friends who suffer and still suffer under the PFDJ government may not be comparable to your loss but it is unbearable.and some we don’t know if they are alive or not.
    you and Lebam had a good exchange of idea how to get rid of DIA. I agree with Lebam Getting help from TPLF is not wise. our problems is we don’t know who is who in both camp of supporters and opposition. In the city where i am now i know people in both camp non Eritreans have a big say in our affairs.by the way they are proud of who they are and never been to gedli in fact they where kebele cadre. let’s remove these individuals then Eritreans we have nothing to disagree.
    i guess this is the view of Semere Tesfai, Mahmud Saleh, Nitric , Hashela, Haile S Berhe Y ……..

    Horizon and Nitricc
    I have a wish
    20 years ago a lot of Eritreans wished to find a platform to fight DIA . The great Saleh Johar made our wish in to reality by creating this great website and exposed DIA and PFDJ of the crime they committed and still committing.
    now as a lay man, myself and others like me wish an organization that terrorize the people of Raya, Welkayit , afar In particular and Eritreans and Ethiopians in general to be known as a terrorist organization by UN. I wish both of you and other to make this wish in to reality by start campaign now.

    thank you all

    • Aligaz G

      Abdu,

      Read Alex de Waal – The Real Politics of the Horn of Africa. Money War and the Business of Power.

      • Milkyas Zekarias

        Selam Aligaz G,
        thanks for the book recommendation.

      • abdu

        Salam Aligaz
        I will and thank you for the recommendation

        • Aligaz G

          Abdu,

          De Waal basically describes at the theoretical level the commoditization of our politicians. A devastating analysis of the political market of the entire Horn.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Aligaz,
            Can you summarize some important points and is the book relevant to our time now…

          • Aligaz G

            mad mullah,

            Analysis of politicians as actors in a political economy is the basic idea. De Waal was tight with PM Meles who glommed on to his obsession with rentier phenomena from this relationship. But de Waal was not limited to just rentier phenomena, he attempts to systematically analyze political landscape of the entire horn. The book is absolutely essential reading.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Ali gaz,
            Yes. I read that was friends with Meles Zenawi. In matter fact, he used to bring books for Meles Zenawi to read. Meles was like Fidel Castro a consummate learner and reader.

            I don’t think I am going to purchase the book so why don’t summarize the main points if it essential for understanding the entire horn.
            That could be part of your national service to Awate reader.

          • Aligaz G

            mullah,

            Don’t underestimate the peanut gallery at Awate. It is my feeling most gallerians already know the concepts in Alex’s books so you are falling off the pace. Order a sample on kindle if you are really interested. But in my experience what people are mostly interested is shaping discourse and putting out their particular political messages.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Aligaz,
            Yes- I haven’t read the book but that doesn’t mean Waal is originator of ideas or that I haven’t encountered the concepts elsewhere.
            You had a chance to share and you missed out…
            Next time…

          • Aligaz G

            mullah,

            Next time

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam Abdu

      First and foremost thank for being a proud Eritrean and thank you for standing against the conniving and treacherous Woyanes. Now, that out of the way, please allow me to say few points.

      1. – The Eritrean opposition are always consistent on one thing. They never fail to disappoint Eritrea and Eritreans. Time and again, they keep shooting themselves in the foot. Consistently they are on the wrong side of history. And let me explain.

      A. – Few weeks ago, Eritreans were shocked by Mesfn Hagos’ unexpected announcement, that his organization is aligning (or going to) with the Woyanes to fight the PFDJ government.

      B. As if Mesfn Hagos’ announcement wasn’t shocking enough, few days later, three or four other heads of different opposition organizations affirmed that (a) they were consulted by Mesfn Hagos before he made his trip to Mekele (b) they gave him their full blessing (support) when he consulted with them before he headed to Mekele (c) they are fully on board on this new alliance (Woyane- Eri-opposition alliance) to defeat PFDJ regime.

      2. – Now, the question that comes to mind is

      A. – How are they going to fight the PFDJ regime; or how are they going to defeat the PFDJ regime? Using a violent method (bloody) or non-violent method (peaceful)? If I remember correctly – at least – Mesfn Hagos organization and the EPDP organization were against violent method of removing the PFDJ government. Now, have they changed their method of removing the PFDJ regime, or it is still the same through non-violent method? If their method of fighting the PFDJ regime is non-violent method, then why do the Eritrean opposition organizations need alliance with the Woyanes?

      B. – How is it different the current Woyane-Eri-opposition alliance from the alliance they had from 2000-2018? If Woyane-Eri-opposition alliance with all Western Powers support didn’t depose Isaias’ regime then, how is it going to get the job done this time? Aren’t the Woyanes a lot weaker and a lot poorer than they use to be?

      C. – How could a united Ethiopia have two contradictory and irreconcilable policies towards Eritrea – Abiy’s policy and Woyanes policy – all at the same time? Something smells fishy here.

      3. – What is the wisdom of inviting foreign power (government) for a domestic political issue. If the Woyane-Eri-Opposition alliance to remove the PFDJ regime involves, violence and marching all the way to Asmara, then the Woyane army has to stay in Eritrea, until Eritrea is stabilized. Makes sense doesn’t it? Now, how many years is that going to be. How many years did it take to the Western Alliance to stabilize Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan – if they ever did. Is Woyane willing and able to make that kind of commitment to the Eritrean opposition? Are the Eritrean opposition organizations and their leaders that naive to trust the Woyanes with their country and their sovereignty?

      4. – I don’t know. I think, like Nitricc said “the whole thing is all about collecting some good amount of cash”. Anyway – no matter how you slice it – the whole thing looks bizzare and stupid – I’m just saying!

      Semere Tesfai

      • Abi

        ወንድም አማች
        On your #3
        How do the weyanes finance their extended stay once they removed Isu?
        Bisha gold mine is one possible option.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam ወንድም አማች

          “How do the weyanes finance their extended stay once they removed Isu? Bisha gold mine is one possible option.”

          Stupid me! Why didn’t I thought about it!

          I love you too!

          Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            It takes a genius to figure that out:)
            I love you too. I love your sister more:)

          • Haile S.

            Abi & Semere-T, ጀቶች፡

            ወንድምና ኣማች፡ ስታምሩ ስታስቀኑ
            እስቲ እባካችሁ Terry Terefን ኣዘፍኑ

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እንዘፍናለን እንጂ እናዘፍናለን
            አንተም ተቀላቀል የወያኔን ሙሾ እናወርዳለን!

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ዘፈኑ ይዘፈን፡ ይቅርብን ሙሾ
            ማስተማር ይመረጣል፡ እንዲጥሉ የሰላም እርሾ

          • Abi

            መምህር
            አንተ ካልክ’ማ ሊቀመኳሱ
            ወደ ልባቸው እንዲመለሱ
            እናስተምራለን ይቀላል እሱ
            መልካም ነው መንፈሱ

            ግና
            የክፋት እርሾ ከጠነሰሱ
            ህዝብን ከህዝብ ቢያናክሱ
            ማባረር ነው ምሱ!

          • Teodros Alem

            abi cheka tella
            “Abam saw honuna GALA gedelachw” i know u know what it means, it been said long long time ago, it means ” gala(oromo) even killed weak old man”, i heard GALAs have a long history of killing weak and lonely people whenever they get a chance, it been the history of GALA and that was why people say ” abam saw honuna gala gedelachw” long long time ago.

          • no one

            ሰላም ባለ ቀረርቶው ኣበበ

            በስመ ኣንድነት አገር እያመሱ
            ነፍጣቸውን ይዘው መሪቱን ሲወርሱ
            በወያኔ ጊዜ ተፈረካከሱ

            አብይ መጣና እስትንፋስ ሆናቸው
            ማቅራራት ጀመሩ እንደልማዳቸው

            እምሜ ለወያኔ
            ሁሉም አውቋቸዋል
            ነፍጠኛ እያለ ያጥላላቸዋል

            ይህ ለነፍጠኞች እንጂ ለኣማሮች አደለም።

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Merhaba Semere,

        You always come with dozen of questions. The problem with this questions are simply based on the new rumors from the rumor mill. There is no press release or any other method of communication to the public that shows Mesfun Hagos has entered in to a new alliance with TPLF, nor do we have an official release from the unspecified organizations who throw their support to him, as you stated it without any doubt. Semere, you know rumors are not debatable. But for sure they could be circulated as political diet to the bystanders – ዕላል ንግዜ መጥፍኢ:: So there are no answers to your question from serious people.

        But I have a serious question to you regarding the wisdom of alliances. What is the wisdom as to why Issayas is interfering in the Ethiopian politics? At least Issayas has declared his alliance with Abiy in his interview. Not only that, his security apparatus is well placed inside Ethiopia to do their dirty. I have not doubt that you are following the development of Ethiopian politics. Let me see how you answer to my question.

        Regards

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat

          1. – “You always come with dozen of questions. The problem with these questions are simply based on the new rumors from the rumor mill.”

          “There is no press release or any other method of communication to the public that shows Mesfun Hagos has entered in to a new alliance with TPLF, nor do we have an official release from the unspecified organizations who throw their support to him, as you stated it without any doubt.”

          Aman: My comment above is not based “on the new rumors from a rumor mill.” I heard it from four heads (chairmen) of different opposition organizations at Meskerem.net jus few days back. They all said including Tesfay Weldemicael (Degiga) the exact things I said above. Namely:

          A. – they were consult by Mesfn Hagos before his trip to Mekele

          B. – They agreed with the plan, the message, and with his trip to Mekele

          C. – They affirmed that they are (will be) on his and his organization’s side to form alliance to remove the PFDJ regime.

          D. – Tesfay Degiga said on the interview, “I don’t want to speak on behalf of Mesfn Hagos; Mesfn Hagos himself will make an extended interview in the coming day to answer every question, and clarify any ambiguity that anyone might have.

          E. – Yes, again, joint appearance, joint interview, on Meskerem.net, just about a week ago. And stay tune for Mesfn Hagos interview on the coming few days on the same Woyane-Eri-Opposition alliance.

          2. – “But I have a serious question to you regarding the wisdom of alliances. What is the wisdom as to why Issayas is interfering in the Ethiopian politics? At least Issayas has declared his alliance with Abiy in his interview.”

          Yes, it is true. Isaias PFDJ and and Abiy’s PP are cozzing up to defeat a common enemy: The Woyanes. Will it go further? Time will tell. Is Isias and Abiy’s alliance worth having to defeat the Woyanes. Absolutely yes!!!

          Semere Tesfa

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            So you are in favor to a long protracted war and enmity that will cost the lives of our young – just to double check with you.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            “So you are in favor to a long protracted war that will cost the lives of our young – just to double check with you.”

            1. – I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m against any bloodshed. I’m for peaceful solution. The Woyanes are occupying sovereign Eritrean territories; but never heard me advocating taking them back by force.

            There are many ways to get our sovereign territories back; but through bloodshed is not one of them.

            2.- Without belittling the headache (problems) the Woyanes are giving Eritrea and Eritreans, the Woyanes are Ethiopian problem; not Eritrean problem. Should we cooperate with any Ethiopian administration to defeat the Woyanes ? Yes. Should we involve ourselves, in a shooting war with the Woyanes? Absolutely not!

            3. – Again Tigray is Ethiopia. Therefore Tigray governing body is primarily Ethiopian problem. I hope I made myself clear.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,
            If I don’t quote you, it is not yours. It is my interpretation from what you said. You are looking the removal of wayane by an alliance of Issayas and Abiy. Rest assured, they can not be removed without giving Eritrean bloodshed depending On the length of the war. Samray, the alliance of EPLF/TPLF to push out ELF from the field did not happen without bloodshed. Thousand of lives was given from both sides. If you are calling for that alliance, there is always body bags in the process of it.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            You are the one who believed in removing Isu by force. If you are really worried about the lives of your young men and women now, who did you want to send to fight for you back then? The Ethiopians? The Americans? The Martians?

          • sara

            selamat ato semere,
            the on going play reminds me the story of the legendary RaESee weldenkieal solomon , i think history is repeating it self.
            i wish this not to happen to our xxxxx.

          • no one

            Selam Sara,

            If you think history is repeating itself, it happened since Eritrean independent. I do not believe on identity but I think you do. For me whoever doing for the country good and considers him an Eritrean is an Eritrean, but according to you, the history of RaESee Weldenkieal Solomon repeated since Isayas become the head of the Country.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Semere Tesfai and forumers,

        I rarely agreed with Semere Tesfai and others who uphold similar views about the despotic regime in our country. I pray and wish to hear and read news about the demise of the regime at any minute, and actually belong to the camp that maintains any possible means and tools to get rid of the regime.

        However, this stance does not entail losing hope and conviction in the potential our people possess to break the chains of the despotic regime. What is lacking is not the will and capabilities of our people; what is lacking is credible program of action, approach (methodology) and trustworthy leadership, which the opposition camp has so far failed to produce; the truth has be stated. The source of all this lies in the domestic arena, and cannot be hoped to be out sourced to whatever sort commitment originating from external forces. The latter cannot be a substitute to home front capabilities and potential.

        But what we having hearing and reading lately under the stewardship of Ato Mesfin Hagos seems that some of Erigrea’s opposition groups as acting liking drowning person that throws two arms and legs on all directions to hold on anything. We are told that assistance of the TPLF Tigray state government is so crucial that needs to be deployed to end the ordeal of our people. To spray salt to an open bleeding wound, the professed rationale is that the Woyane Tigrai government is lesser evil than the supremo at the helm of the regime in Eritrea. The point here is that the TPLF or Ethiopia, or as a matter of fact any friendly nation, can offer solidarity, but can not serve as proxy to Eritrean opposition to accomplish what they themselves have not been able to do.

        Such a move can in fact damage the cause of the opposition, and get exploited by the regime in the manner it has adroitly has been doing in the past decade or more. If we would take account of the unholy marriage of convienence we have been witnessing between Dr. Abij Ahmed and Isayas Afewerki, what some of the Eritrean opposition groups are doing through the spokesmanship of Mesfin Hagos can perfectly fall to the advantage of regime and give it wide extra margin of manoeuvring.

        After all, we know how many times the Woyanes or EPRDF government under its domination had missed opportunities to help the Eritrean opposition and get rid of the regime. Who, with modicum of political awareness, does not know that the Tigrai state government does not have the power, capabilities and legal justifications to deploy forces in favour of the Eritrean opposition. In fact, it is judicious to state that the Eritrean opposition groups who are flirting with the Woyane Tigrai state governments the present are two weaker parties in the context of the Ethiopia-Eritrea equation.

        • Hashela

          Selam Ismail

          Thank you for the obvious and sober assessment.

          It seems that the strongest supporters for the cruel regime are the oppositions who are imploring a TPLF involvements.
          These people are oblivious that:

          – the regime’s extraordinary skill to exploit the unholy alliance

          – TPLF has no capability to their wish list

          – TPLF has good intentions when it comes to Eritrean unity and sovereignty

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hashela,

            The worrying part of the matter is what we are witnessing is reflection of weakness. As I noted in my earlier entry, the Eritrean opposition groups in question and the Tigrai state government are the weaker link in body politic of our region. The danger is an alliance of such sort usually translates in tactical defensive schemes, and in some enterprise to accomplish strategic goal.

            That is to say that while the Eritrean side needs the alliance for accomplishing a strategic cause of getting rid of the regime, whilst the Tigrai state government needs the linkage for an attempt of sending a tactical message to the federal government in Addis Ababa that it can constitute a factor through posing a threat to the Eritrean regime.

            And, the means of doing so is supporting the Eritrean opposition. The aim of the Eritrean opposition and the Tigrai government is not harmonious. The worry is, thus, nothing will change as far as the aim of the former goes. The Eritrean should count on domestic potential that has been awaiting minimum credence and seriousness on the part of hitherto feeble opposition. By the way, I count myself in the opposition camp and I carry my humble bit in the failure we as the opposition have si far demonstrated.

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            It takes an extraordinary courage and humbleness to reflect and learn from an inevitable “failure” from which we learn and emerge stronger and wiser.
            I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge and thank you for the moral authority you present here.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ya Amuna Wo Ustazna Ismael:
            That is exactly what some of us are saying!
            Tank you for saying in a mature and diplomatic but in a piercing way!
            Ezni zellewo YismAE
            Ayni zellewo YirAe’
            Armiro zellewo YestewEl!

          • Selamat Ayya Ismail AA,

            “As I noted in my earlier entry, the Eritrean opposition groups in question and the Tigrai state government are the weaker link in body politic of our region.”

            Is there a positive outlook or approval of the implied stronger links of the body politic of the region in your statement above. As in accepting or wishing for the success and strengthening of the stronger links in the body politic of the region. I do see the wisdom of allowing the region to link closer together even if through the unholy, non transparent alliance of a tyrannical regime on one side with a seemingly democratizing though shaky government on the other to be the bedrock where non violent political struggle by the respective oppositions is waged within the confines of the internal borders. However, I can’t help but view this as being the acceptance of the lesser evil that includes the great evil doer of IA’s tyrannical regime. I did not think I would see any positive connotation or the remote hoping for the success of the implied stronger links of the region’s body politic. Based perhaps on the farsightedness of the possible future outcome that renders the borders and current restricting dynamics of the region’s people as meaningless.
            Has my mind exploded and am not comprehending anything at all? Or do I read in your post above an implicit approval of Isaias’ wisdom who created the stronger link in the body politic of th region? Perhaps I my brain is tired at the moment and am not thinking right or perhaps I have been gone too long and have much catching up to do and accelerate and upgrade to the level of your current wisdom.

            But I suppose there is a first in all things. And I will register my disagreement and disapproval of your views shared above. As it could be argued the assignment of weaker or stronger characteristics to the existing links of the body politic of the region are relative.

            I will have to read and re read more in order to not be as confused as my share above.

            GitSAtSE

          • Ismail AA

            Selam GitSAtSE Solomon wedi Hawey,

            “Is there a positive outlook or approval of the implied stronger links of the body politic of the region in your statement … [?]”. There is neither positive nor approval in what I stated. There is nothing good Isayas’ linkage with Abij Ahmed would bring to the cause of our people’s search liberation and freedom.

            My point was an attempt to note that the Eritrean side we hear has been trying to forge an alliance with the Tigrai state government suggests that those opposition groups appear to be relegating key source of strength ( the potential and power of the Eritrean people) to a lesser factor, and counting on an already consummed power which the TPLF has become subsequent to the change Ethiopia has lately undergone. In my humble view, the Eritrean side can only become a stronger link in any alliance when they would able to themselves firmly in the heart of the home front. This has been lacking thus far. There has clear incompetence to develop a national narrative audible our people can hear and trust, crafting comprehensive program and leadership. Actually, the home front has been left to become a private playing field for the despot.

            Furthermore, a point before you leave the forum for your pronounced prolonged absence, and that is just a few words about the weak/strong link. Of course you would forgive me if I mess up with some calculus concerning powe relations. It is just simple arithmetics of putting side by side what an Abij- Isayas alliance possess against what TPLF- Ato Mesfin Hagos lead alliance could count for. The former have armies, state control apparatuses, diplomatic recognition and lots of money thanks to rich Arab Gulf states. Now compare that to what TPLF government in Tigrai and the Eritrean side have. I think there won’t be need to write anything more here on this last point.

            Wish you success for whatever you want to do during your absence.

          • no one

            Selamat Hashela,

            Can you come please with the better idea to fight the dictator?
            I am sure you know much better than I “about the alliance of EPLF and TPLF” do. Would not they successful to remove their common enemy? Was that alliance good or bad?
            Unity is an inside out not an outside in.
            you can ask in which base is the alliance otherwise criticism based on assumption is a treat to our unity as I said inside out unity problem.

        • no one

          Selam Ismail AA

          Where are you at the time you are writing the above comment and where are they those they are opposing to get Tigray’s help to fight the dictator. I think all of you are in foreign country. I have never seen an opposition of dictator become successful without the support of third Party.
          If all of you think, the fight against dictator should be only with Eritreans without a drop of help from third party, just stay in your country and fight face to face against the dictator. The comment you are writing the words you are discussing and even thinking to remove the dictator is with the support of the country you are living in.
          If someone living inside Eritrea and opposing the Government saying that I fully respect his word otherwise it is hypocrisy. Everything what we are doing against the Eritrean government is from the country of our residence. That means directly or indirectly we get support from those countries to oppose the director. There is no success to fight a dictator without other support. Why do not we do that from inside Eritrea, because it is difficult? So why is that the problem to fight against the dictator from the nearest distance?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam no one,

            I am not sure if I understood what you have written. From what I gathered, I think you have completely missed read what I talked about. I never said we do not need solidarity and help from outside. No people’s movement such as ours can afford that. The issue I had raised was that there is no wisdom in substituting source of domestic potential by outside factor in the way Ato Mesfin Hagos and his supporters in the camp of the opposition have advocated. In a word, the people of Tigrai in particular, and of Ethiopia and the nations in our neighborhood as well, can provide solidarity support but cannot act in lieu of our domestic potential. I do not anticipate Dr. Denretsion’s regional government would deploy forces against the dictator.

      • Consolation

        Selamat All,

        Normally, people jump from a sinking ship. It is only prostitutes who stay in or jump into a sinking ship. I think what probably happened is tha the Weyane, certain that by assassinating Hachalu would win what they lost, convinced their hapless Eritrean servants that they would march into Asmara. Those who are willing to sell themselves are doomed to eternal shame! Remember the ‘ras-gez’ people that the Derg organized in its dying days!

        • Paulos

          Consolation,

          Are you people for real? Don’t you see Isaias is isolated and shunned by the Eritrean people? A sinking ship doesn’t go on with elections by mobilizing its people. A sinking ship doesn’t keep its people at peace when the rest of Ethiopia is ablaze. The Weyanes are not going to give you what you are craving for. Whether you like it or not Tigrai is set to be a regional power from once a provincial backwater.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            “Whether you like it or not Tigrai is set to be a regional power from once a provincial backwater.”

            All power to them! I hope they be world superpower. We Eritreans would be happy for them. All we’re asking is:
            (a) Get the %#@ off Eritrean sovereign territories
            (b) Leave us alone to mind our own business

            Semere Tesfai

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ኣቶ ሰመረ ተስፋይ,

            ኣማን ብኣማን ይሳማማዕ! እታ ተሪፋ ዘላ ስብእነትን ማዓንጣን’እያሞ ሃየ ማዓንጣ ግበር ሰብኣይ ኩን ካብ ባድመ ኣውጻኣዮም፣ %#@ ትርጉም ዘለዎ ኣይመስለንን.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            ወያነ፡ ንኤርትራውያን ደንጊጾምልና ኣይኮኑን ካብ መሬትና ዝወጹ፡፡ ምስ ኮርኮሖም ‘ዮም ዝወጹ። ስጋብ ካብ መሬትና ርዖም ጠቕሊሎም ዝወጹ ካኣ፡ መሬት ኩርኳሕ ኮይና ድቃስ ከምዝስእኑ ክንገብሮም ኢና። በዚ ኣይትሰከፍ።

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

            I absolutely agree for that has been said for the last N number of years.

          • Consolation

            Dottoro,

            If you seriously believe that the quarantined TPLF thugs are going to turn Tigrai into a superpower, I can only conclude that you are in a state of deep denial and need medical help. As we speak, two TPLF CC members have been hauled before the court for terror-related crimes; internet has been cut from Tigray for 3 weeks and Getachew Reda is forced to reside in Humera to conduct from a cave interviews with the likes of Hassena; Assets of the TPLF looting enterprise known as EFFORT has been frozen denying the Adwa kleptocrats the means of holding on to power; Tigray’s special forces are starving; a youth movement known as Fenkil is posing so serious a threat that Debretsion can no longer ignore them; about 42,000 Tigrayan migrants are stranded in Yemen and Saudi Arabia in horrific conditions; Covid-19 is posing a serious threat, yesterday 48 Tigrayans have tested positive out of 700 tested; there are reliable indications that the TPLF is split into two. A third faction of people like Arkebe and Samora has joined Abiys party. And so far, Eritrea has not lifted a finger!

            And what is the TPLF doing other than issuing a stream of announcements and press conferences, the sure mark of impotence. Dottore, you are totally unprepared for the disaster that is about to befall your Weyane friends.

          • Paulos

            Sure thing brother. Sure thing.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            Professor Dr Paul, the highly instructed awatista , knows full well the magnitude of the deep ( what do you call it?) his Tplf finds itself in.
            However, he has no choice but to copy paste what is sent to him by his handlers.
            Only a person under a gun describes a quarantined thugs as “Regional Powers”.
            How do you say ምስኪን in Tigrinya?

          • Teodros Alem

            paulos
            Unless u r talking about child molester superpower or refugee Super power, it is fair to say u r mentally unstable person like aman h or u r talking with influence of drugs or alcohol .

      • Selam Semere T.,

        “How could a united Ethiopia have two contradictory and irreconcilable policies towards Eritrea – Abiy’s policy and Woyanes policy – all at the same time? Something smells fishy here.”

        Indeed it smells fishy. On one side is IA + Abiy and on the other is Eritrean opposition + woyane. The tplf regional government has become a rogue government, ignores the federal government, has trained about 250K fighters, and it is itching for war.
        From the other side, Abiy’s visit to sawa shows that both IA and Abiy want to send a message that should be heeded by the other side. I don’t think that it was a visit without a special purpose, when the cooperation of eritrean opposition and woyane has created a volatile situation in the region.
        In the case of invasion of eritrea by a combined force of eritrean opposition and woyane, what will be the role of the ethiopian government? Will it sit and look, or will it give woyane an ultimatum to stop the attack, and if it refuses it will be forced to intervene on the side of eritrea, because a regional state of ethiopia is opening war on a sovereign state without provocation? Eritrean opposition will not dare to confront the eritrean armed forces alone by itself.
        One can see the complicated situation woyane could create in the region.

      • Sultan M.G.

        Selam Semere:
        I had or made a knee-jerk reaction when I heard Mesfin’s announcement followed by that of the Eri Opp parties!
        Let us wait and hear it from the horses mouth!
        But make NO mistake that Eritreans SHALL or SHOULD NEVER allow or accept a violent way to change the regime through the TPLF ARMY under any condition or circumstance !
        This madness failed at a cost of more 130,000 lives from both sides and at the cost of more than a million Eritreans and at the cost of material destruction worth of $ billions as if close to a $ trillion worth of material destruction over the previous 30 yrs was not enough ; not to mention the sad consequence of an exodus and migration of more than 500k Eritreans within the last 15 -20yrs on top of the economic stagnation and destruction of Eritrea due to the well designed sanctions and sabotages of all kinds including the policies of isolation, containment and the deadly No War and No Peace policies by none but the same TPLF and its supporters , and worse,fully supported by the same familiar Western and Eastern Super Powers!
        This is not to mention that the same Powers including the mercenary AU and IGAD led by the USA and its UN and EU puppets gave a GREEN LIGHT the same TPLF, Mesfin et al are making an UNHOLY ALLIANCE now ,to invade Eritrea and reverse its Hard-earned Independence in 2012-2013!
        As far as your question about as to what changed now for Mesfin et al to make that announcement is concerned, well the answer is clear:
        -From the TPLF’s perspective, the TPLF is in a between a life and death situation by being trapped and sandwiched by both Dr AAA’s Federal Gov and that of the PFDJ, the sworn enemies of the TPLF ( and vice-versa). Plus, what Ustaz Is all brilliantly said holds water that the TPLF also wants to threaten and use it as a leverage against both Govts by making a timely Alliance with the Eri Opposition( at least as PR Gimmick and Political Acrobat)!

        -From the Eri Opposition’s perspective, besides believing that it ran out of options to get rid of the PFDJ due its endless oppression against Eritreans despite the Ethio-Eritrea peace being inked 2 hrs ago,it believes that it is a perfect opportunity to take advantage of the rift between the TPLF and its joint enemies to address its past due agenda to remove the PFDJ from power!
        How and in what way,at what cost and risk specially for Eritrea ,this Alliance will be effective is to be seen!

        At least theoretically and politically speaking, it is a win-win strategic or tactical Alliance for the TPLF!

        As far as the mode or technicality of executing the Alliance is concerned, the most likely scenario is going to be :

        For the TPLF to support the Eri Opposition politically and logistically( financially) as well as Security and Intelligence wise… for a targeted and surgical intervention.

        But hey, both Dr AAA and PIA seem to be ahead of schedule and ahead of the TPLF and the Eri Opposition considering the latest moves by both govts.

        The fact that the Eri Chief of Staff is in the Sudan chatting with the Chief of Staff of the Sudan and Dr AAA is cuddling with PIA in Asmera speaks volumes.

        • Selamat Sultan M.G.,

          “But make NO mistake that Eritreans SHALL or SHOULD NEVER allow or accept a violent way to change the regime through the TPLF ARMY under any condition or circumstance !”

          When you say “Eritreans” is it inclusive of those of us declared as “non Eritreans” denied to play any part with shaping Eritrea in any form and declared as persona non grata as non stake holders per the decree of the dictator and repeated and followed by the followers? By this very definition jammed down our throats for decades, to whom are you referring when you say Eritreans. The condition and circumstances we are under for the possible regime change through TPLF ARMY is in fact being invited eagerly by the strictly defined Eritreans who are eagerly inviting an all out war with the TPLF.

          Has the word Eritrean lived up to its true meaning for the past several decades? Have the very people you are referring to been treated as Eritrean in the recent past. I am afraid, if the war is ignited then it will be an all out war to consolidate power by two opposing sides and the “Eritreans” and “Ethiopians” fiercely fighting on either side of the adversaries. There is NO MISTAKE, you are right, according to what Semere T and the line he totes consider to be “Eritrean.”

          Pray for the grass that may very well be caught underneath the feet of the two clashing elephants.

          Now I am regretting why I even bothered to voice a non Eritrean’s two TaErifas worth. My appology.

          GitSAtSE

          • Sultan M.G.

            Welcome back Sellie!
            I beg your pardon, where did you read it that the new old opposition party or figures will use the TPLF Army to violently change the regime in Eritrea?
            I mean, to use the TPLF Army against the innocent and unprepared EDF ?

      • abdu

        Salam Ato Semere
        YEQENIYELEY you read my mind ,whatever i want to say you said it clearly I hope LBI ZELEWOM ………
        Let me add Qurub Memaqrti to your points.

        1. You said They never fail to disappoint Eritrea and Eritreans
        do you think Eritreans (specially inside Eritrea) knows them?
        1 A&B
        Most of these so called opposition leaders live in west, send their children and grand children to the best Universities. they are expecting someone’s innocent and poor children to die for them. Do you know how much psychological damage they are making to the parents inside Eritrea when they hear war?

        2 A. – How are they going to fight the PFDJ regime; or how are they going to defeat the PFDJ regime?
        how? they might try to make forged Eritrean ID to TPLF gangs to claim they are Eritrean.
        are they going to defeat PFDJ regime? The army under PFDJ are Eritreans.
        Most these group are power hungry been an opposition is a sort of time pass. if they were for real they would have compromised certain of their group policy for the sake of Eritrea and Eritreans to form a united opposition. If there is anyone who thinks these group will defeat Eritrean army he is( ENTAY EYOM ZBLU ENDA SHAEBIA) YEWAH
        Are we suffering? Yes we are still suffering under PFDJ, our families, friends and neighbors are starved to death and in jail. do we have to remove them? YES by Eritreans and inside Eritrea. Did we try? YES. did we achieve? YES AND NO. Yes. it create an awareness and learn mistakes. No.the PFDJ is still in power. How long do we have to wait?
        MEGEDI TIENAS AMET KIDO.

        3. MELEBEMI AYGBERKA MELEBEMI AYKHLAEKA
        Let say for the sake of argument foreign intervention worked for Uganda and some other countries.But it didn’t work in the countries you mentioned. my question to those who support TPLF’s help what guarantee do you have for Eritrea IT would be like Uganda not like the Libya, Iraq……?

        4. cash? possible
        Retirement in the Bahamas with young and restless…….

        thank you again

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Abdu,

          You are absolutely correct? HOW? is the big question one needs to answer. Not only that, as everyone in high school learns there are the other 5 W’s need to be asked and get convincing answer.

          I know someone who was member of the opposition and he went and attended all the conference / meeting with TPLF in the past how many years. The Eritrean youth were ready to fight the PFDJ and TPLF told them and denied them. All the provide is, they pay for hotels, they pay for airfare and held this conference. And few weeks and moths later start another one and on and on and on, it’s like the ELF use to do if they want to punish you. They give you circular later and they ask you to take it from one place to another place and they held you for months to distract you so you don’t continue to cause trouble. The TPLF was doing exact the same thing for to the Eritrean opposition.

          The Uganda example is really not a good one.

          1) Idi Amin who invaded Tanzania to start with. Tanzania reaction was to restore it’s lands that was invaded.
          2) Everyone one was annoyed by Idi Amin, specially the west. The deportation of Indian Ugandians in the thousands. The UK and other common wealth countries.
          3) The hijack of Israel plane in Uganda where Israel commando rescued them. They US and Isreal were upset with him for not cooperating.
          4) His people were fed up with his adventure and including his army and he had lost total support.
          5) The opposition had the support of the people and they were fighting and organized and ready to take over.

          Tanzania/Nerere had no desire to invade Uganda and remove the regime but they were provoked and the war continued until they restored their lands.

          The situation in Eritrea totally different and the opposite. The situation in Eritrea is going to be exactly what is in Somalia.

          Ghebru Asrat I think he wrote in his book that division he had with Melles. Melles didn’t want to continue the war, but Ghebru Asrat, General Tsadqan they went to go all the way to Asmara and remove Shebia. Melles said, if we go and invade Eritrea, it will be very hard for us to keep and continue to occupy. We don’t know who will be tegadaly and millitary and we don’t who will be civilian. It will be have hard to keep it together and the country will be turn into somalia. And Ghebru Asrat said “ዓሰብ መሊስና፡ ኤርትራ ሶማሊያ ገዲፋ ካልእ ዘይትኸውን፡ ንዓና ዝግደሰና አይኮነን” I am paraphrasing, and I haven’t read the actual book.

          And that’s exactly what will happen to Eritrea as soon as TPLF manages to remove IA. They could care less what happens to Eritrea as long as they take over land / sea that they need to finish the Abay Tigray Map.

          Paulos keeps telling us, Tigray is going to the regional power…off course it will be after that. And the Americans or anyone else will give them recoginition because they will not have no choice.

          Oromo will have Addis Abeba and the rest of Oromoia to break away and they don’t care about everyone else. But they will have the power and take away or remove any threat for them as they wish.

          The only power that they are affraid in the region is the Eritrean ARMY (not Isayas Afeworki but Eritrean Army and Eritrean people).

          And this is the reason they wanted “Eritrean Opposition” on board to convince the Eritrean people and divide them and fight each other so they can do the dirty work.

          Look at us, we have already formed our opinion and no matter what one side says to the other side we will never agree on this agenda. What is happening here in awate is a true picture what will happen to the Eritrean people.

          And this is exactly how they wanted it, divided and weak.

          They know Mesfin Hagos of the Eritrean opposition have no power and they can’t do anything even if the whole Eritrean people is behind them. It’s just talk to distract us.

          The TPLF can remove Abiy government from power tomorrow if they wanted to. But they don’t know what will happen from IA and the Eritrean Army on the north. So they want to remove the one and major threat first.

          Anyway, I think we don’t need to spend time to convince people or each other. Those of us who believe in our people and our army and our youth, should work on removing the regime in our own and secure our country, our boarder and our unity.

          Let the Ethiopian people sort out their problems themselves.

          Berhe

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam Abdu

          “How are they going to fight the PFDJ regime; or how are they going to defeat the PFDJ regime?
          how? they might try to make forged Eritrean ID to TPLF gangs to claim they are Eritrean.”

          Abdu: please allow me to say one last thing and then I’ll get out of your hair.

          1. – The Eritrean opposition organizations have every right to oppose the PFDJ government. The Eritrean opposition organizations have every right to fight the PFDJ regime to get to the helm. The Eritrean opposition organizations have every right to govern Eritrea. But, but, but, in the name of fighting the PFDJ regime; in the name of liberating the Eritrean people, they should not invite any foreign government troops into sovereign Eritrean land. And as Eritreans they should know better. Let me explain:

          2. – If a small, weak, poor nation invites foreign boots to its country (a) It loses its sovereignty and its independence as a free nation (b) It will never be easy to drive-out the the foreign troops that are stationed in its territory
          (c) Even if it did it will be very costly – in human and material resources.

          3. – There is a befitting Eritrean (Tigrigna) expression for it. ገንዘብካ፡ ካብ ኢድካ ናብ ኢድ ካልእ ሰብ ክትከይድ ከሎ ሽግር ኣይተምጸኣልካን እዩ። ገንዘብካ፡ ናብ ኢድካ ክትምለስ ከሎ እዩ፡ መዓትን ሰበብን ጽልእን ባእስን ዝመጸካ። Case in point:

          4. – When we invited Ethiopia to our lives (to Eritrea), it was all dances, flowers, galloping horses, and long lines of cheering men women and children as far as the eye can see. Now, compare that when we tried to drive them out of our land – how a steep of a price we paid – about a hundred thousand of our young fighters and about a quarter of a million civilians dead; about a million of our population exiled, and about a million others displaced, complete Eritrean ethno-religious demography altered forever Add to that the livestock and property lost. And Eritrean case is not the exception but the norm (rule).

          5. – In 1976, when the Lebanese invited their Syrian Arab brothers to help them (a) to stop the bloodshed from their civil war (b) to stabilize Lebanon to be a normal functioning country – little did they know (a) the Syrians were to occupy a sizable part of their country for twenty nine years (b) the Syrian political interference in Lebanese affairs was going to be that bad (c) it was going to take American and UN Security Council threat to make the Syrian troops to leave Lebanon

          6. – In the name of security stability and economic prosperity, the victorious Allied Forces (American, Brits, and the French troops) are still in Germany, Italy, Japan, and South Korea dictating their terms and policies on these nations; again all in exchange for security, stability, and economic prosperity.

          The point: don’t invite foreign forces to our country under the pretext of regime change. We’ve learned our lesson the hard way; no need to repeat the same mistake twice.

          Abdu: was pleasure conversing with you. Thank you for engaging and thank you for all the respect

          Semere Tesfai

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Semere,
            Just curious here, didn’t the boss say “Game Over”? Why the worries of weyane at this time? Or the real reason is the boss is in deep fear of Mesfin Hagos?
            To me, if one declares Game Over, all this high dB noise shouldn’t be heard. I see a mismatch here.

          • abdu

            Salam MM
            Yes the Game over. I guess you know the games TPLF used to play. to mention few Starve Eritreans by putting sanction with the help of their western bosses, deporting Eritreans because of the color of their eyes.
            now the sanction is lifted and Eritreans live in Ethiopia without fear.
            isn’t this Game Over?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Abdu,
            If the Game is Over, why waste time?
            It makes no sense to talk about them, unless, you deep down the Game hasn’t even started yet.
            Which one is it?

    • Paulos

      Abdu,

      Do not make assumptions for they say, assumptions are the mother of all f€£#-ups. TMH [Tigrai Media House] is not Weyane affiliated or run by Weyane and it is the prerogative of the latter to invite what it wills. If the Agazians make noises in Tigrai, it is their Constitutional rights to a Free Speech where one can only rebut their platform through civic discourse or debates.

      Now, remember the Agazian people are going to go away including in post-Isaias Eritrea. The question is–Are you going to lock them up and throw them into the dungeons or you will accommodate them a platform according to the ideals of democratic institutions so long as their ideas do not incite violence? If you muzzle them, you are not going to be any different than Isaias Afwerki.

      • abdu

        Salam Paulos
        i will get back to you when i get time InshaAllah. BTW I admire your knowledge of science and economics

      • abdu

        Salam Paulos
        Do not make assumptions for they say, assumptions are the mother of all f€£#-ups
        I do agree making assumption is wrong and hope you agree with me there is official and unofficial support. and politicians lie.
        TPLF a compulsive liar organization which claimed BADME awarded to Ethiopia and made a film to accuse Ustaz Abubaker that he was collaborating with Somalian Alshebab group to harm Ethiopians.
        now how will you convince me that TPLF doesn’t support TMH unofficially?
        As freedom of speech Agaziazn or any organization have full right as long as they respect the constitution.
        If you allow me to say and ask few things
        Regardless of your love for weyane you are one of those i respect and enjoy reading your posts in this website.and would have taken you as a friend.
        my questions to you
        Correct me if i am wrong .You are one of those who support TPLF’s intervention (help) to remove DIA.
        1. Did TPLF apologize for joining EPLF and kill Eritreans Tegadelti jebha
        2. I know Meles Apologize for deporting Eritreans because of the color of our eyes. Was it his personal apology or Official as a PM and a leader of TPLF.
        3. Do you have an Eritrean Muslim childhood and adulthood close friend who you trust with your sisters in your absence and vis-versa.who knows your mothers favorite saint that she celebrate once every month XEBEL, who knows your second name (SHIM QESHI), who used to go wit you NIGDET of your uncles and aunties. and with whom you went ZIYARA ENDA SHEIKH JEMIL , SAEED HASHIM (MASSAWA) ADEMELKINANI
        4. Do you have Tigraway/Ethiopians muslim freinds or acquaintance

        why do i ask you these questions
        1 and 2 if they apologize was it official if not, why?
        3 and 4 if you have Muslim friends you know TPLF how most Muslims look at them..Because the kind of #3 friendship is very common in Eritrea and the trust they have to each other is a real trust.*
        if you don’t have let me help you
        as Muslim most of us know the history of weyane
        a. killing of tegadelti jebha
        b. treating Ethiopian Muslims
        c. treating tigrawot Muslims
        now how will you convince Eritreans that, weyane if they help and remove DIA will not interfere in our internal affairs and Muslims will be treated better than their own Muslims.Please don’t tell me TPLF is a communist party doesn’t have or believe in religion.

        thank you

        * hopefully one day i will post the friendship of Muslim and christian or in tigrina ERKNET ASLAMAYN KSTANAYN AB ERTRA including the jokes of DUBA, BAMIYA RUZ, ARKI RIESI. BTW DUBA was GPS before the invention of modern gps.

        .

        • Paulos

          Selam Abdu,

          I am not sure what to say or where to start to be honest with you for you seem to have a misconception about me but perhaps for a valid reason.

          First of, many thanks for those kind words and certainly the respect is mutual. Secondly, I am not a Tigrean. I am Eritrean. That said however, there are stark political positions we in this Form take with respect to TPLF where I seem to think they are an asset to Ethiopia’s ongoing state building endeavour and Eritrea’s long term strategic schemes as well.

          You asked me rather strange questions but if you are curious, I certainly had like any other Eritrean growing up in Asmara, very close Muslim friends so much so that my father’s business partner was a Jeberti who was also his best friend as well. What’s more, my father’s youngest auntie was a Muslim including my cousin from my mother’s side. And again, that kind of interfaith with in diverse ethnic inter-marriages is not uncommon in Eritrea as you are well aware.

          As for TMH, I don’t know the people who run it but I take their word when they were asked if they are funded by TPLF and they denied the suspicion. For me there is no reason to doubt them. And I agree that the Weyanes particularly Seyoum Mesfin lied to the world when he said Badme was awarded to Ethiopia and to my knowledge, I am not sure if he apologised or not for it is irrelevant at this point in time. On the other hand, Meles to his credit publicly apologised about the deportation of Ethiopians of Eritrean origin and again, it is not relevant what he thinks in private for I was never privy to his personal beliefs. I hope I answered your questions but if I left out any it was not intentional.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    Selamat Sultan,
    My small program that I have implemented filtered out yours and some other individuals that detects HGDF supporters pretend to be on the opposition side. For some reason, it didn’t block brother Semere and few others. Maybe my own program is smarter than me.

    Now, let’s go back to your question.
    First, the last time I check my paycheck still states I am an engineer.
    Second, we never been ሓደ ህዝቢ ሓደ ልቢ and we will never will be because we are not Robots.
    You said to have one goal. How is that possible when some of your priorities are not to remove HGDF but to destroy Woyane? How is destroying Woyane going to help us? I still can’t visit my own country because the enemy is still in Asmara.
    How is that you can join medical school but you can’t figure out this simple algebra? How is that possible?
    Unless…wait a minute, we don’t have the same goal. Here you go!

    • Paulos

      ኢንጂኔረ,

      Well put and we’ll said. As an Engineer, you are essentially trained how to solve complex problems. And I can understand your valid frustration when you are trying to put some sense into the issue at hand.

      Here is the deal: Once the Weyanes are gone, Isaias will have a clear licence to do what he wills with Eritrea and Ethiopia. That is the cruel fact. I can understand where Sultan is coming from for he is a done deal PFDJ but the others who are supposedly Opposition? What can I say, you should see my hair where I turned part of it into ለጻይቶ for I scratched it trying to figure out the absolute idiocy!

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Paulo,

        I hope you will be able to differentiate those PFDJ supporters and those who oppose the PFDJ with “legitimate” concern with regarding intervention in Eritrean affairs.

        I have listened to the interview, thanks for the heads up.

        Generally, it’s a good interview and Getachew Reda understanding of the Eritrean people desire and uncompromising stand on Eritrean independence is reassuring from TPLF central leadership points of view.

        The interview seemed to focus on items of no significant concern of the past but not the recent development. The interview fits as if TPLF is in leadership during Melles Zenawi and its more historical account rather than what it is today.

        I think the questions that are missed are:

        1) What is TPLF position with regards to the Agazain and their propaganda and if TPLF has any role in it? If not what does TPLF think?

        2) The Eritrean opposition such as Mesfin Hagos have declared that they will co-operate with TPLF in removing Eritrean number one enemy of IA. What does this means from TPLF point of view and what type of cooperation they are providing or willing to provide.

        3) What type of risk this will be bring to the stability of the country and region if “the plan” does not go well and considering Eritrean highly militarized society and lack of trusted organization which can take control to stabilize.

        3) And what’s the return in investment to long term TPLF investment in remove the PFDJ regime?

        Berhe

        • Paulos

          Selam Berhino,

          If you believe TPLF’s stand on Eritrean independence as per Getachew Reda is reassuring, why would you question if they have any role in Agazians’ movements? Your number one question sounds confusing to me. As for the rest of your questions, we will have to wait for the upcoming interview with Mesfin Hagos for he is expected to address all the relevant concerns including your questions.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulos,

            I think it’s what they call it call it “elephant in the room”. If Elsa/Assenna does not worthy of question and hear it from the horse mouth (TPLF official), it’s a lost opportunity:

            1) To clarify official TPLF policy
            2) Help answer the questions of many Eritreans have.

            If Else / Assena are taking the road of “avoidance” just like you are trying to do:) it will just increase the suspicion.

            My personal opinion, Mesfin Hagos or anyone else, do what they need to do and get rid of IA. They do not need anyone blessing to do what they wanted to do, and no body can stop them from doing what they need to do.

            All these with TPLF or with Tigray etc..will just increase the noise and will produce nothing. I will bet it it will next year before we hear any action. But Mesfin Hagos and the opposition are knows to send us into endless arguments and counter arguments with no end in sight. Let him take the approach of “ዝገብር ነዲኡ ዘይነግር” and tell him to stop talking any more.

            I would say the Corona has much better chance.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Hi Berhe

            Remember, the devil and the messiahs are over 74.
            And Covid-19 is an equal opportunity offender. The difference is that one of the candidates will be flown out to high-tech Intensive Unit in UAE and the other is likely to enjoy the improvisation talent of doctors in Mekelle hospital.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ከመይ ኣምሲኻ ኣቶ ዳዊት

    ሊቀ ልቃውንቲ
    ነስመላሽ ዝጸሓፋክሉ
    ኔርዎ ድዩ ሕቡእ መልእኽቲ?
    ሰብ ዘይሪኦ ተኸዊሉ
    ኣብ ዓሚቕ በዓቲ

    ንስኻ ትጽሕፍ ናይ ዕርክነት
    ንሕና ድማ
    ኣብ ካልእ ዛዕባ ንመናጨት

    ሓጎስ መስፍንን
    ወያነን
    ተሻሪኾም
    ኣይ ሃቡናን ናይ ልቦም
    ንብል
    ኣስመላሽ ዓርክኻ ኸ ንታይ ይብል?

    ካብ ዛዕባኻ ወጺና
    ስግር መረብ ስጊርና
    ተሓዋዊሱና
    ተስዓ ደሲበል [90dB] ወሲኹ ጸገምና
    ፈጣሪ ኩሉ ዓለም
    ይምሓረና
    ኣይፈለጥኩን

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hello all:
    A comprehensive and detailed update on COVID-19 by none but by Dr.Tony Fauci( Dr Fact)!
    https://www.facebook.com/zuck/videos/10112108870243761/

    • Simon Kaleab

      Hople-less,

      Unfortunately for you, Fauci has zero credibility. He is flip flopping on most issues: on banning flights from China, on the seriousness of the Chinese virus, on stay at home for a long period, on the effectiveness of wearing masks, …

      This is a man who cannot repeat in the afternoon what he said in the morning.

      Fake-book boss and Fauci: the odd couple!

      • Sultan M.G.

        Simon:
        Don’t act like an IQ-30 dude.
        Prof Dr Fauci is not a god or a perfect Scientist!
        We all thought that this viral infection was just the same common cold by same old corona virus and we didn’t think it will be such a devastating novel / mutated corona virus !
        He honestly admitted that mistake with reasonable excuses and justifications !
        He moved on to educate and advise us after learning more about the virus!

        The dumb part is your trump and its adm as well as his dumb robots( base)not learning and rather choosing to remain dumb !

        Here is the main point:

        But once we realized about this virulent pandemic , we took a swift action but your trump refused to accept such lifesaving public health expert recommendations- as we speak for 3 months, which has cost( ed) more than 140k innocent lives and getting worse with close to 4 million infections/cases (at least 40 million infected by a correction factor assuming for each infection or death there are 10 estimated cases)considering about 30-40 % of the asymptomatic carriers are spreading the virus .

        • Simon Kaleab

          Hope-less,

          IQ 30 is the upper limit of a Weyala IQ.

          Leave Trump issues to Americans. You are neither an American nor a medical doctor. But you can carry flip flop Fauci’s bag.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Simon:
            U confirmed your IQ-30ness, a “PHD”holder in Vulgar Linguistics!

      • Aligaz G

        Simon,

        Let’s review Dr Fauci’s credentials: Immunologist par excellence, lead scientist during the AIDS epidemic, Chief Laboratory of Allergy and Infectious Diseases , NIH, Editor Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine …

        Let’s review Simon Kaleab’s credentials: Nobody

        • Simon Kaleab

          Aligas,

          The stray beast of burden from Central Oromia.

          Are you denying that Fauci has been flip flopping most of the time?

          Or are you using, the magical Gada voodoo logic, which is: Fauci has spent all his life time glue-sniffing in the Lab using test tubes, therefore he is above any criticism?

          • Aligaz G

            Simon,

            What were your credentials?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligas,

            The stray beast of burden from Central Oromia.

            My credentials are not that much. But I must admit that once upon a time, I taught 3 of your cousins how to brush their teeth, and to wash their hands with soap before having a meal.

            Now, no ducking and diving, answer my 2 questions I raised above.

          • Aligaz G

            Simon,

            If your credentials are nil then perhaps you shouldn’t yap so much about Fauci. Levels

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligas,

            The stray beast of burden from Central Oromia.

            You need to answer my questions. You are running away.

          • Aligaz G

            Simon,

            Ok what are your questions that I am avoiding?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligas,

            The stray beast of burden from Central Oromia.

            Typically dumb like your cousins. You are like miserable children who cannot be entrusted to run a country.

            Answer my questions!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligas,

            You are a typical coward. Why don’t you answer my two questions?

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            Credentials are not required to be a cult follower. Breathing and chanting are the maximum requirements.

          • Aligaz G

            Abi,

            Imagine a self admitted ignoramus making fun of someone as accomplished as Dr Fauci. LOL. Wait this describes Trump to a tee. Oh well. Double LOL

          • Abi

            Aligaz
            “አመድ በዱቄት ሲስቅ ልቡ በነፋስ ውልቅ” መሆኑ ነው::
            በሣቅ ሙትት አልኩልህ…

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Are you a Gondere or a Galla?

          • Abi

            Simon
            ኢትዮጵያዊ በትውልድ
            ኤርትራዊ በሹመት

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligas,

            Ignoramus is a nickname for your stinky relatives.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Which cult?

            OK, I have zero credentials. But, thank God, I don’t have negative credentials such as killing a person on.behalf of the king, the Derg or any guerrilla outfit.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Aligas,

            Fauci flip flops faster than an Oromia beast of burden farts per minute.

            If you like Fauci so much, you can make him the governor of the Republic of Oromoland, aka Bongo-Bongo land.

            Any answers to my questions?

          • Abi

            Simon
            Thanks for your generosity.
            Just like your parents who taught us how to use utensils to eat pasta…
            I got it.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Keep clear. I am talking to the Galla character.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Simon, Aligaz, and Abi

            “Keep clear. I am talking to the Galla character.”

            Please knock-it-off. You guys are better than this.

            Thank you.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            Simon
            አኒ በዴ! አኒ በዴ! አኒ በዴ!

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear All,

    I miss my city BahirDar, watch the bellow Shiro restaurant enjoy it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HIXMZny-z8

    KS,,

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Kokhob Selam,

      I watched the BahirDar video you recommended. Thank you, that town has become a beautiful destination attraction.
      If and when I am able to go to Addis, my home, I always thought I will visit Asmara. Now BahirDar is another place to visit and enjoy.

      I will tell you too that I spent half my Saturday watching related video. It was worth it, I never thought I would do that, thanks again.

      Mr. K.H

      • Abi

        Mr Kim
        FA cup
        Arsenal beat City 2-0
        Tomorrow
        Man U vs Chelsea

        ይህ ጨዋታ/ጭቅጭቅ ከማይበላ ተነስቶ ተጠማዞ ተጠማዞ ዞሮ ዞሮ አድጎ አድጎ ባህር ዳር ጣና ሃይቅ ደርሷል::

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Abi,

          It seems they always win when I am not able to watch. Maybe I jinx them.

          Yes, BahirDar, is a place to visit now. I never liked Shiro wot before but when I make it out there that will the 1st order, God willing.
          Thanks for the heads up.

          Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            I was hoping for a Manchester Derby at the FA final.
            David Samson is happy about the today’s outcome.

            I always liked shiro wot.
            ሽሮ ታጋሚኖ is my favorite food.

      • Sultan M.G.

        Kim,
        I visited Bahirdar after 28 yrs or so,on my way to Gonder last Fall!
        I enjoyed it and the locals told me that they call Bahirdar the Asmera of Ethiopia, but looks like Bahirdar is better than Asmera that I visited few yrs ago!
        A long way to go though when it comes to the neatness of the city.

        • Abi

          King Sultan
          You told us that you lied about this visit. Some of us remember what we read.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Guaddu!

            This visit last fall is not a lie!
            The previous one was but a wish!
            I enjoyed Mom for 2 months in Addis after 12 yrs .
            Could not see my ailing Daddy since he could not make it to Addis ;neither could I make it to Keren/Asmera .
            The PFDJ Embassy in Addis turned me down an Emergency VISA to Eritrea;” to your dismay”, a true story!
            My father is or might be dxxxxing before I see him!
            I will regret for the rest of my life!

          • Abi

            Hope
            I’m sorry to hear about your dad. Have you tried to bring him to mekele?
            Hope you will see him soon.
            God bless

          • Paulos

            Dr. Sultan,

            You must have done remarkably well in your Matriculation exam to make it to Gonder Medical School.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Sultan M.G,

          I never saw it. I heard about it during Haile Selassie era when the technical school was opened.

          Looking at it on the video I thought of Asmara too, palm trees and such, until I saw the lake.

          Mr. K.H

      • Lebam

        Selam Kim H,

        Internet is back for those with wifi in Addis, but have you heard something about when the net might be back? Rumors were this week….. sadly not the case.

        Found a good app that offers cheap phone calls. It’s called Rebtel, but people need to download the app, which isn’t possible now.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Lebam,

          I have no idea about the internet in Addis other than what I read here.
          I hope the civil disturbances is abated and there is no need for downing the net.

          Mr. K.H

        • Nitricc

          Rumors were this week….. sadly not the case.
          Found a good app that offers cheap phone calls. It’s called Rebtel, but people need to download the app, which isn’t possible now.

          Hi La-Bum; why would you care about internet in Ethiopia alongside with the calling rate for the country? I am starting to understand you in defending the TPLF thugs and criminals.

          • Lebam

            Nibbler,

            I don’t know if you, or the ones writing for you once in a while try to make you funny. But, let me tell you, you are hilarious. How is calling people in Ethiopia the same as supporting TPLF?

            When did I defend TPLF? I defended Tegaru who aren’t politically affiliated. You on the other hand want us Eritreans to hate every Tigrayan, which won’t happen.

            Where were you the whole weekend when I had time for you?

          • Nitricc

            Hi La-Bum; lol. I tried to distinguish between Tigryan and TPLF thugs, however; every so-called Tigryan intellectuals and elites told me i was wrong to separate Tigryans from TPLF thugs. Ask your Tigryan freind, Samuel. He just told me that. No one hates Tigryan don’t claim higher moral ground where there is none. No one hates Tigryans but i despise TPLF thugs. My take is you are hiding behind the people of Tigray to show your love and protect to the TPLF thugs.
            Anyway; away over the weekend traveling for work.

          • Lebam

            Selam Nibbler,

            It should be very obvious to anyone that read my posts that I do not support TPLF, and certainly not their involvement in Eritrea.

            If you don’t hate Tigrayans then why do you keep coming at me?

          • Nitricc

            If you don’t hate Tigrayans then why do you keep coming at me?

            Greetings La-Bum! I get a kick when I use the modified nick of yours as La-Bum. lol anyway I am coming at you because you are wrong while your intention is good. However; while intention is good and virtuous but can also be unreliable and misleading. The truth is the people of Tigray are sold by this criminal group called TPLF. The people are being held hostage. Listen to Araya Tesfa-Mariam’s candid interview and you shall know the exact nature of TPLF thugs. TPLF have punished everyone on its path, people of Eritrea Ethiopia and Tigray were not spared. In Ethiopia, religious and ethnical conflict is sown and it is a matter of time till explodes. TPLF has taken Eritrea 50 years back. Imagine if it wasn’t the TPLF’s green eye and crab-mentality; today Eritrea could have been the envy of Africa, considering the interest and the motivation of the Eritrean was at its pick. Even the people of Tigray are not spared from TPLF’s wrath. Tigrayns are finding themselves the exact question and dilemma that they faced 47 years ago. Back to the same question after all this time and blood paid. TPLF are bad news. TPLF are good to anyone and they are number one enemy of the people of Tigray. The good thing is, they are about to be eliminated and about time the people of Tigray to be free. So, La-Bum; you are wrong when you consider and equate the people of Tigray to the criminals of Tigray, the Weyane. TPLF thugs must be destroyed!!!!

          • Lebam

            Selam Nibbler,

            Glad you’re happy. You need as much dopamine as you possibly can get.

            “you are wrong when you consider and equate the people of Tigray to the criminals of Tigray, the Weyane. TPLF thugs must be destroyed!!!!”

            That is precisely what I didn’t do, but it is what you’re doing. 🤦🏾‍♂️

      • Kokhob Selam

        Thank Mr. K.H.

        Yes Mr. K.H. It was wonderful spending all the time..

        Really it is nice to visit this very beautiful ..We all should think of visiting it, if not living this comfortable town..I am planing now and soon I will go to visit this lovely city. If everything will be okay hope fully I will go and stay there the rest of my life..I was grownup near lake Tana. Pray, for me that to make my dream a reality..I miss very much the city and climate.

        KS,,.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Kokhob Selam,

          Consider it done. We always gravitate to our childhood places, don’t we. It is a beautiful place and make sure you get clearance from your family doctor before you make such a long trip.
          With best wishes.

          Mr. K.H

  • Sultan M.G.
    • Paulos

      Sultan,

      Someone in this Forum has been saying that way before Mesfin Hagos and others fell in line to form a tactical alliance with the Weyanes but that person was called a Weyane stooge and a Mercenary by the faint of hearts and true believers. Welcome to Realpolitik!

      • Abi

        Paul
        You brought the news about two weeks ago.

        • Sultan M.G.

          Guaddu:
          This is NOT a new shukucha of Alliance but it has been going on for more than 3 yrs through Amb Haile Menkorias and other X-EPLF Giants behind the scene.
          It had not received a welcoming gesture since the TPLF had been insisting on its own agenda including pushing the x-EPLF Giants to give up on the EPLF Hx(history).
          Gen Mesfin exposed that truth before when he admitted that Aboy Sibhat allegedly “forced him at a gun point” in Oslo/Norway to accept the WEYABE AGEVDA!

          • Abi

            King of Kings Sultan
            “አይጥ ሞቷን ስትሻ ስታበዛ ሩጫ
            ሄዳ ታሸታለች የድመት አፍንጫ”
            You are among the few people who understood early the negative roles that the weyanes played in weakening the opposition.
            ድሮስ የማለደና የእትዬ ደሃብ ተማሪ አይደለህ! በማለዳ ነው የነቃህባቸው ጩኸትህን የሚሰማ ጠፋ እንጂ::
            አጆካ!!

            ጏድ አቢዮታዊ
            ኢሠፖ ማእከላዊ ቢሮ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi
            ኢሰፓ ምስ ህግደፍ ሓዳር
            ሕጽኖት ኣብ ዓዲ ሃሎ
            ሓንሳብ ኣብ ባህርዳር

            ክልቲኦም ይጭድሩ ኢሱ
            ክሃንጹ ዘይኮነስ ከፍርሱ
            ንጥፍኣት ኤረትራ ይፍሕሱ
            ኣምስያኦም ግን
            ሓመድ ከምዝልሕሱ
            ኣይፈለጡን

          • Abi

            MM
            ok

      • Sultan M.G.

        Selam. Dr Paulos:
        I will never buy it unless the pros / Benefits outweigh the cons/ risks !
        Plus, they have not as of yet clarified it in a transparent way as to how to execute that Alliance!
        Worse than what PIA did with Dr AAA,which is crystal clear though on paper!
        FYI:
        The above Eri Opp Grouos are quite familiar to Eritreans and were TPLF Mercenaries in one way or another,except Gen Mesfin’s clear stand, a well documented fact!

        • Paulos

          Sultan,

          From your PFDJ vantage point, you are absolutely right and that is precisely the reason you can not agree with the Eritrean Opposition.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Doc:
            Nop, it is from over all Eritrea’s vantage point of view!

            I disagree with you that making an unholy Alliance with the TPLF that I know will benefit Eritrea and Eritreans based on historical facts .

            Consult Berhe Tsaida for details.

            Mention a single case scenario when Tigrai and its Leaders or even its people has/have ever contributed positively to Eritrea and Eritreans except the “Controversial Military Assistance” they allegedly provided us with during the Red Star Campaign!
            Forget about the past but consider the last 23 yrs!

            Even if it is said to be a Tactical Alliance, the TPLF will backstab and BETRAY us unless we make that Alliance while on a stronger position and that the TPLF ARMY will never be involved .
            May be a sort of “Political and Intelligence Alliance”!
            Of course, this is my individual opinion and stand !
            But,If the Eritrean majority accepts The alleged and vague Alliance as a positive step to get rid off the PFDJ Regime, let it be!
            Note:
            Dr AA, as expected, is in Asmera as we speak!

      • Yoni

        Selam Paulos,

        When Lebam says” Eritreans as a whole wouldn’t support TPLF getting involved.” Who made him the representative of Eritreans. Mesfin and the former Eritrean Liberation Movements leaders have declared there is no greater enemy and a negative force than Isaias awan to Eritrea. They are 100% correct. TPLF may be crooked, but all Eritreans know them, and as they say, there is no permanent enemy but permanent interests. EPLF had an unholy alliance with TPLF to drive out ELF,. Isaias is masquerading as a homegrown “one of us” while he damaged Eritrea more than the Derg and certainly more than Haile Sellasie. Too many armchair commentators are in love with peaceful struggle. The peaceful struggle only works if the other side is amenable to a democratic modicum. Issu only knows brute force. During the Weyanes and Eritrean 1998-2000 border war, when he thought he was overwhelmed by Ethiopia’s power, he ordered the defense force in Assab area to withdraw and leave their position. The only reason we still have Assab is because of the gallant Eritrean forces and their leaders who disobeyed Isaias. Alliance with our immediate neighbors to dislodge the cancer of Eritrea has some risk; however, we know whom we are dealing as long as the coalition is transparent and would not give them an inch of Eritrea to Tigrai and why not. Let us not freeze by analysis paralysis. There is no worse thing to what is happening to Eritrea and Eritreans. Besides, east African countries did it to dictator Idi Amin of Uganda. Imagine if Idi Amin was still in power and certainly under Musevini they are in a much better shape if not reached their ideal form of government.

        • Paulos

          Selam Yoni,

          As you may have already heard the news, Abiy is in Asmara. What is strange is that, Isaias doesn’t have any qualms to receive Abiy when he is coming with his posse’ as in the Speaker of the Parliament, the Deputy Foreign Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister as well when Isaias is all in one.

          That as a backdrop, why doesn’t Abiy raise the issue of Democratic Institutions, Rule of Law, Constitutionalism among others with Isaias while he is num about the said pillars of a Nation-State. It is because, Abiy’s relations with Isaias is tactical in the sense that he would need him only as far as helping him out getting out of the way his mortal enemies–the Weyanes. By the same token, why can’t the people here in this Forum understand the simple logic where the alliance between the Eritrean Opposition and the Weyanes is purely based on getting rid off their common mortal enemy Isaias Afwerki when they make it complicated by evoking ኣጋዝያን-በጋዝያን-ሰጋዝያን…….ዝያን.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            Let’s call it the Fear of the Yan! 🙂

          • Yoni

            Dear Paulos,

            Lebam has anointed himself as the wise guy and arrogantly declares,”One way to measure intelligence and to differentiate it from those who aren’t, is understanding concequences [sic] of actions before they take place.” Unless the so called Lebam is endowed with extra human senses, the risks and consequences have to be meticulously analyzed with probabilities and the likes of which I am certain he has not indulged himself with or is beyond his expertise. Pretension is cheap these days I guess – I don’t see wisdom but only as our kin say “Yerkblu Ktbl YerkbelKa”

          • Lebam

            Selam Yoni,

            Why do you not engage in a conversation with me directly instead of going through Paul? Do you have insecurity problems by any chance?

            We have different opinions, and I won’t be the last person you engage with that you’ll not agree with. Grow up and accept the opinions of others the way I accept yours. After all, we live in the Western world were this is common practice.

            At best, we can agree to disagree in our assesments of the best possible transition of power.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Paulos,

            I detected a little imbalance in your assessment of PMAA. Perhaps frustration is a contributor.
            What do you think PIA will say and do if PMAA talked to him about Democracy, Rule of Law and human decency. …I know.
            PIA will immediately stop talking to him and as a socialist he will feel betrayed.
            What is achieved?
            At least now, PIA will tell PMAA what SiSi of Egypt was thinking this past week. PIA was in Cairo, I understand.( I hope he is not mediating.)

            I completely understand your frustration about Agazi, Adulisia and other nonsense when the ship is sinking with a precious cargo.

            Mr. K.H

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Paulos,

            In the 2nd reading of your above post, I think it was me that was out of quilter. I see what said and meant.

            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            Principle matters. If he advocate for justice and democracy for his own people, he must advocate for other people as principle. But because he has not any value of justice and democracy, he is a true ally of a tyrant. Issayas was not simply chest beating and kissing his hand to show love to the Ethiopian people and its government. We are watching filling the prison houses he emptied when he came to power. He is throwing his opponent to prisons and killing protestors. So your argument does not hold water. Abiy is learning from our despot how to postponed elections and control an absolute power.

            Regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            I thought what YOU said was what Paulos said. Therefore I stand with my very real world behavior of PMAA.

            Principle is well and good up to a point. If it kills you, it only means you will be entitled to have on your tomb….here lies a very principled man, who died before his time.

            I know Trump might not be a very principled man, but I won’t hold it against him for talking and visiting Kim of North Korea.

            Mr. K.H

          • Lebam

            Selam Kim H,

            The princepled man/woman is often righteous by nature . I would love to have “here lies a very principled and righteous man” written on my tombstone. It would infact be an honour, and I hope I will achieve something to deserve it.

            1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV

            Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            In case you haven’t paid attention, the election is postponed because of the deadly Covid-19.
            Now that needs a principled leader who tries to contain the virus at all costs.
            You should be the one taking the initiative in advocating safety for the general public. Oh well, what do you know about Covid 19? Apparently nothing

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abi,
            Presidential election was held in Malawi on June 23, 2020. No excuse to election postponement. Only the naives will be swayed by that excuses. Your hope is on our despot to train him his evil tricks how to attain an absolute power to control his subjects. Good luck with it.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            If the elections are postponed for 6 months or a year, Ethiopia is not going to disappear from the face of the world.
            Just because Malawi conducted elections, that doesn’t mean Ethiopia should follow. “Monkey see monkey do” should not apply for human beings.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,

            Not only Malawi, all the world is doing it job for COVID 19 may continue,,Maybe for some next years to come..That is not an excuse at all..you may have to make it carefully by remote and go do the election. But those guys are not ready to do it..

            Think about it Abo, the reason is cannot hold water..it is just fake reason to continue on power..

            KS,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Remote elections in Ethiopia? Okeeey dokeee…
            How about if you and I discuss this remote election thing when you come down to earth? እንደ ኮኮብ እርቀኸኛል!
            You also said’ the reason cannot hold water”. Kokobe, to be honest with you, the only thing I need to hold water is ህዳሴ ግድብ. ሌላው እዳው ገብስ ነው::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            Thank you for making me lough..Ha ha ha “እንደ ኮኮብ እርቀኸኛል!”

            ” ህዳሴ ግድብ. ሌላው እዳው ገብስ ነው::” do you think this will be finalized? It seems to me a dream..Let us see those near days. let us see,

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Glad you laughed a little. More often than not, we take things unnecessary too seriously.

          • Selam Abi,

            Just yesterday out of about 7K people who were tested for the virus more than 300 people were found to be positive. If you extrapolate that to 100m people you can imagine the real number.
            MHM said he would defeat nature, and the only person that was defeated was himself. Now tplf wants to ignore covid-19 for the sake of politics that will change nothing. It will be fake elections, meant to show that it can disobey the federal government. The elections will be forgotten the next day.
            Let’s hope that it will not expose the people of tigray to the virus to the extent that an uncontrollable local epidemic would not be the result. Human life is not tplf’s primary concern, but political power. That is also the reason it is beating the drum of war. It is typical of dictatorships.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Guardian:
            Cc: Prof Aman Hidrat
            If the USA is planning for an absentee ballot and Vote by Mail due to covid-19 crisis despite its high technology and resources with all preventive measures in place:
            -why wouldn’t Ethiopia take cautious measures with the largest population in Africa about 100x that o msllawi and with the highest risk os spreading the pandemic in a single day ?
            -What if Ethiopia feels that it is not politically stable enough to conduct an election?
            -What is the big deal postponing the election for 6-23 m in order to stabilize the nation politically so as to create a conducive environment for a peace democratic election by allowing the parties to irrigate better?
            -The opponents cannot have it both ways by their destabilizing activities and thru their defamatory campaign on one hand abd at the time complaining for not having a stable political and conducive environment for a democratic election

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            You and I ልብ ለልብ!
            What Ato Amanuel and his soulless assistants doing is copy and paste from the manuscript given to them by their handlers.
            They have to strictly follow orders in order to earn their tips and bonuses.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hope,

            Since you seem have stopped your diatribe and insulting languages, I will try to give you a brief response to your comment. Two things will explain the tricks of postponement of the Election.

            (a) all the opposition parties except Abiy’s party are for election to be done as schedule and are against postponing. So Abiy has postponed the election because he has no chance to win the election if it is done as scheduled. He did it based on the advice of our despot. You heard our despot publicly against their election.

            (b) Our experience taught us how dictators avoid elections. You were one of those who bought all the excuses of our despot including his war adventures. Our despot created a bogeyman to sell his wars to put you in a state war and to curtail any economic development and democratic institutions to function. So don’t hold your breath if you see Abiy to join to the league of tyrants. So Abiy and his likes will get neither dab nor democracy. I say good lack to them to experience the Eritrean experience. Second Abiy has never been serious to the predicament of his country. He is here for personal fun.

          • Kaddis

            Gash Aman
            Spot on. AA Postponing election indefinitely shows he is not interested to do one and his clueless supporters are not worthy enough to be told when. They will cheer anyways
            They are resembling Isias supporters by the day

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            This will not change the stand of Amuni..How the Tigray people are managing it? Covid-19 cannot make the legal mater. Look at the market in Addis and all the cities of Ethiopia..And now he has arrested 5000 poor men and women where that will not be safety..

            Sorry Abi for replaying to you instead of Aman..but think about it that is not excuse ..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            You said, ‘ This will not change the stand of Amuni…’
            Kokobe, I see you haven’t paid enough attention lately. Ato Amanuel is standing on the shaky weyanes destined to crumble .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes Dear Amuni,

            Just we witnessed typical our dictator this time. There was no such thing in Ethiopia..

            KS,,

          • Selam Kim Hanna,
            It is said that if an infant doesn’t cry when it is hungry, even his mother forgets to feed it. Similarly, if somebody doesn’t demand and fight for his/her rights, nobody is going to give it to them on a platter.
            PMAA or the ethiopians people are not going to give them democracy or bring change too eritrea when they themselves are doing nothing more than talking. If PMAA stops talking to IA, will that change anything? If the EU or the UN stop contact with the regime in eritrea, will that change anything for the eritrean people? For some people it is easier to demean and demonize the Ethiopian PM day and night as if this way they can depose IA or bring back tplf to power. They fail understands that they can’t depose the dictator with a remote control from a distance, or by barking up the wrong tree.

          • iSem

            Hi Horizon:
            I am not sure what has gotten into you since Aby came to power/
            So where an imposter when you debated democracy etc before?
            An your analogy of infat was demeaning to be honest. Eritreans know that they have to fight and get it themselves, every imbecile knows that.
            Aby got himself the undeserved prize by his speeches based on self-help books. And later when he talked about Marcus etc, he proved to be of low caliber and in a society that has suffered a lot from darkness under dictators and that darkness ushering in ignorance he may be viewed a hero now, but his shallowness will catch up with him. That is an opioin. Mine.
            But to why Aby never not mentioned rule of law to IA, I agree with you that he cannot lecture his host. But that is not the issue, the issue is Abycame to power because of the Woyane that you so much abhor, despite their failing and corruption, they kept your country intact for 27 years and they opened a tiny windows to democracy unheard of in the country of HS and Mengistu and Aby used that little window to come to power, but remember he is still unelected.
            But Aby has power to support rule of law without mentioning it to IA, his host. I tell you, IA may give him the port, fullfilling his dream of salty water, but he may drown in his salty dream, he better focus in the the fresh water project 🙂
            Ethiopian people cannot give Eritrean democracy, they cannot even solidify it for themselves, yet. We are not asking for that, we are asking for unequivocal support for rule of law and for Erirean sovereignty. Abiy has equivocated even about the ports when he was asked when he was in the USA. So, I gather you are riding the Aby high, but the same way you gave Eritreans that demeaning wi in fact analogy, I will give you a respectful one: to advocate for rule for law and the refining of the nascent green shoots of democracy that you guys were able to sow(even if that was lead by TPLF) instead of “I trust in Aby demeanor”.
            I think we all, both Eritreans and Ethiopians must disconnect from cult thinking and stand for the rule of law in our countries to the leaders NOT only accountable but to keep them to improve and motivate them to win the Mo Ibrahim award that keeps going unclaimed. The peace noble prize has become ignoble awarding it for fans of self-help plagiarizers

          • Selam iSem,

            Let me ask you a similar question. What has gotten into you since tplf was deposed and you are so angry with Abiy? We are speaking of the same tplf you were imploring to invade eritrea and depose IA. Your explanation was that a rogue nation to the north of ethiopia, overrun by extremists and terrorists, was more dangerous for ethiopia than for eritrea. Still you are looking for somebody else to do the job for you.
            That is why I am saying, leave ethiopia out of your affair of regime change and bringing democracy and rule of law. You created your tyrant and you own him, and it is up to you to depose him or not.
            Abiy plays no role. If he is for relations with the regime in eritrea and they have no problem with it, blame the regime in asmara and not the ethiopian government. Moreover, whatever Abiy deserves and may not deserve, your problem is IA and not the ethiopian prime minister, and you should forget Abiy and focus on IA.
            The woyanes had a once in a lifetime chance to come to power, and they used it for their own unholy purposes. They knew they can’t destroy Ethiopia without destroying themselves, and instead they chose to exploit her. They brought no democracy but kleptocracy.
            The port is your biggest worry, because you can’t imagine eritrean independence without landlocking Ethiopia. Ethiopia has the right to use it or not to use it. Just look at it this way.
            Abiy signed a peace agreement with IA, as the leader of a sovereign country, and you still doubt eritrea’s independence. I don’t see that Abiy is undermining eritrea’s independence in any way. Now, if any rapprochement with ethiopia is anathema, no one can do anything about that.
            There was no demeaning. It was another way of saying, you own your problems yourselves. Don’t outsource your responsibilities. Leave out ethiopia. She has a lot in her hands, and she doesn’t want other problems.
            If IA comes to ethiopia, she cannot close her doors on him. if he wants to rule his country in one way or the other, it’s up to the people to shape it, and it is not the responsibility of any other foreign government.
            If democracy is ailing in ethiopia because of tplf’s long destabilizing arm and oromo ultranationalists and their blind followers, the game is not yet lost for ethiopia. Therefore, Ethiopians and Eritreans should accomplish their share of democratizing their respective countries by themselves.

          • iSem

            Hi Horizon: You lied when you said this:
            “We are speaking of the same tplf you were imploring to invade Eritrea”
            I take that back ,you did worse than lying, you lifted a line from someone here. Nay, you did worse that just lift a line from someone. You lifted a line from the forum’s one celled brain. I hope you have not also borrowed his brain cells and do not know what am talking about, in case you did, let me know. I will spell it for you.
            Now prove to me that I IMPLORED TPLF to invade Eritrea, so I will apologize for saying the above
            Now get over your fallacy that Ethiopia has nothing to do with Eritrea democracy. It has to do a lot. It has derailed democracy in Eritea when TPLF allowed IA to gun down opposition members in Ethiopia and get kidnapped. I guess even the TPLF was still thirsty for blood when it ruled Ethiopia long after red terror was no more. So yes, your country has a lot do do with influencing what goes in Eritrea and vice versa. Out histories are irrevocably intertwined. Get that: Separate nations with linked future and history. Even the one you lifted to lie about me imploring TPLF to invade Eritrea knows that. So what happened when Aby came?
            Whatever TPLF did to your country, whatever name you give to it, it is the best government your 3000 myth country has seen. Fact. Next time quote me verbatim for this.
            Oh, when you inflict violence on innocent people for no reason, but for saying that they are not Ethiopians but an Eritreans and as a result of that 30 year war is waged and sine violence begets violence, repression begets repression and the nascent free press that Eritrea had during federation was destroyed by your country, remember that? so yes those facts played a role in bringing brutality of PFDJ. So, yes Ethiopia has a lot to do with what is going on in my country. One is asking you to depose IA, we are asking you to stay away
            So my debates over years was with Eriteanss who opposed that the opposition was domiciled in Ethiopia, not imploring TPLF to invade and liberate Eritrea. Ethiopia cannot even liberate itself, so I cannot ask that and now your country is on the verge of going back

          • Selam iSem,

            Instead of blabbering and denying what you said some years ago, go and check your comments. You will see who is lying. I was opposed to your opinion, and you had brought the topic many times. If you want to deny it, it is up to you.
            If you accept that you have asked for invasion, and your excuse to convince the ethiopian side was that a rogue state under extremists and terrorists to the north is dangerous for ethiopia, and the reason why Ethiopia should intervene, and your qualm is imploring directly tplf, there is no difference, because, when you were demanding for invasion, it was a tplf government, and there was nobody else but tplf who could have done it.
            You were accusing Abiy, and what tplf did has nothing to do with him.

          • iSem

            Horizon:

            I was going to give you a adage in my language, but I am sure you hate my language so I will not
            I know what I said and am not accusing myself. You are the accuser and you want me to prove am innocent. You should prove your accusation. If you do not believe that, this shows and proves you do not believe in truth and due process, just in personalities
            Good luck to descending from the pedestol of high esteem to the gutter of personalities in this forum

          • Selam iSem,

            Why would anyone hate any other language? It shows how irrational you are. Unfortunately, I don’t know the language.
            In the gutter of personalities i am descending, as you said, i will not be alone there. You are the first person i am going to meet there. Your opinion about me means nothing to me, and I will not waste my time anymore whatever you may say.

          • Abi

            iSem
            Don’t associate Tplf with Ethiopia. During the early days of independence, eplf kidnapped and killed many Eritreans in Addis with the collaboration of weyanes.
            The two ወንበዴዎች are the only responsible criminals in this case.

            You are among many awatista who were waiting for the Ethiopian tanks in a Hope to get you to ጎዳና ሃርነት.
            Amanuel Hidrat, Kokobe, Hayat Adem were part of the same group.

            You also said, it is ok for the minorities to be suppressed by the majorities.

          • iSem

            Abi:
            Like your bretheren horizons, you are lifting lines from General Nitricc
            I never said that. I am sure of it and I remember it, it was Nitricc who said it or to put it differently, he was not in the Inc gathering and so he misunderstood. This is what I said. Mjority rules in democracy, right? so it is normal for the majority to suppress the minority even in democracy, i tis called the tyranny of the majority, have you heard of about, that was what I said, and Nitricc when the power was out, when the translators were not around he said that I said “it is ok for the minorities to be suppressed by the majorities”
            My bad, I should have made it simpler for the simpleton and now you are joining him. What gives Ras Abi? I did not say it was ok for M to suppress m, I was debating the tyranny of the majority in a democracy. A well known concept in the USA

        • Lebam

          Selam Yoni,

          Do you mean to say 100% of the Eritreans support TPLF getting involved in Eritrean affairs? If that’s not the case, which it isn’t, then I’m right.

          I know some have a hidden Tigrinya – Tigray alliance they want to achieve, by masking it to take down IA. The reasons are many and we don’t need to go into them now. I honestly want Tigray (Ethiopia) and Eritrea to have a good relationship, but do we risk Eritreas sovereignty and control to attain freedom? I do not accept foreign interferance, nor do I support it.

          Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but opinions need to have good reasoning. One way to measure intelligence and to differentiate it from those who aren’t, is understanding concequences of actions before they take place.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Lebam,

            Lebam means wise..I always see you really as wise..what wisdom is that man? Nice really the name leads to your core personality..

            Thank you for being wise,..

            KS,,

          • Lebam

            Selam Kokhob Selam,

            You are the nicest person in the forum and someone I respect. It is you who live up to your nickname, if anyone at all.

            Thank you for the kind words.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Lebam,
            What option would you offer? To fight on our own? From where?
            Please propose the better option that you think is wise to take.

          • Lebam

            Selam MM,

            To fight on your own?

            This is not a one man operation and I think the question was meant to ridicule me, or meant to make me aware that we can’t overthrow IA on our own. That leads me to the problem I have with the opposition and others with the same mindset who puts IA in an untouchable pedestal.

            He is a human being, one singular person. He canno’t possibly have the control he has without loyal followers and other foreign interests who supports him. This is not something many take into account, and it bothers me greatly.

            That said, there are many of our Eritrean brothers and sisters that are forced, or brainwashed to take battles against IA, which they think is synonymouse with attacking Eritrea. Do you want their deaths on your conscience? I certainly do not, and it could have been anyone of us in that position had we, or our parents not escaped.

            From where?

            From within.

            What option would you offer?

            My solution is an internal coup by the oppresed masses and with the support of their loved ones in the military. How is not something I feel we should get into.

            That would lead to the best transition for the country and save the most amount of lives.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Lebam,
            First of all I didn’t say on YOUR own but OUR own
            Second, I have lost 4 brothers and sisters. I personally know what loss means.
            From within? You got be kidding me. Didn’t you say you grew up in Sweden or so? Take a look how many recently Eritrean youth refugees over there. Multiply that all over Europe, the majority in Italy. Now, multiply that by huge # when it comes to Ethiopia & Sudan. It is drained of youth. The rest are in prison or Sawa [another prison]
            The colonels/generals that are pillars of Isayas are corrupted to the core.
            The only people who can fight back have left the country.
            Now, start to recalculate.

            I tell you what, if I had to fear, it is Mesfin Hagos himself because he can be turned to another dictator [he was one of them].

          • Lebam

            Hey MM,

            I edited it before you replied, and I’m sorry for your loss.

            I understand your sentiment and I agree with you on points you made, such as the youth leaving and corrupted military personnel.

            However, you mentioned Mesfin Hagos, and as you yourself stated, he WAS one of them. What makes you believe more of our people can’t be swayed to give up their loyalty to the despot?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Lebam,
            It is clear to most people by now the intention of Isayas. They know he is #1 enemy of Eritrea.
            The people in diaspora is something else. If there is war, they and their immediate families are not affected. A lot of them worry about their villas at the expense of poor Eritreans.
            So, we know Isayas and his gangsters are the enemy of Eritrea. What is worse than them?
            The country is dying slowly. Soon it will be sold to the Evil Abiy. After we have lost so many thousands, Isasay is handing to the Bahr Dar criminals in platter plates, in front of our eyes.
            Again, I am asking you what is your better option? I am asking this because I ran out of options.

          • Lebam

            Hey መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ,

            So, we know Isayas and his gangsters are the enemy of Eritrea. What is worse than them?

            That is precisely what the Iraqis were saying before they learned that there was something much worse around the corner. Every religious group in Iraq that I’ve spoken to attested it.

            Most countries that have been invaded these past decades is worse of than before they got invaded. Some forumites keep mentioning Uganda, but forget Syria, Libya, Iraq and Yemen among others. Also, look at our neighbour Ethiopia. Are they enjoying their so called “freedom”?

            I have a question MM. Let’s say the opposition and TPLF get into an alliance and let’s say we ignore the repercussions that could come as a result of it, for arguements sake.

            What can a powerless TPLF contribute with? Their glory days are behind them and the power is centralized. Can Tigray act on their own without an approval from the Ethiopian government?

            In order for TPLF to be a powerful ally and “help” the Eritrean opposition, they need to seperate themselves from Ethiopia, or gain the power of Ethiopia again. The chances to seperate themselves from Ethiopia is higher than them gaining power again. Tigray has a population under 6 million, Amhara 20 million and Oromo has a population over 30 million.

            The animosity they have towards each other and 27 years of dictatorship won’t allow them to vote for a TPLF representative. Anyone thinking otherwise is not in touch with reality.

            So, is there an half Tigrayan and Oromian available in TPLF?

            Jokes aside. You tell me what you expect TPLF will achieve, or how they will aid the Eritrean opposition in a way that’ll make difference?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Well, Lebam.
            My only hope is TPLF to give Eritrean opposition to give ባይታ to the Eritrean opposition. Is that too much to ask?
            BTW, you still have to give me the better option that I have been asking you. Are you telling me to wait for another Wedi Ali? That’s rare and whom ever you you hope, they have betrayed him.
            Please do not underestimate the ሃገራዊ ጥልመት’s creativity and power.

          • Lebam

            Selam MM,

            “BTW, you still have to give me the better option that I have been asking you”

            🙂

            You didn’t give me any tangible information on what TPFL would contribute with. Only what you hope.

            Thanks for the conversation, MM.

          • sara

            selam lebam, i am happy to know some one who was born and raised in europe has good understanding of eritreans (Most)
            wish on how to conduct their internal affairs. infact all your arguments are correct and practical that seems you read a lot about erittrean armed struggle history. it was all about doing the fighting by eritreans
            and inside eritrea, that broght real independence , otherwise our struggle would have ended like the palestinian struggle that to this day is not in sight. …. so lebam indeeed… more than many of us in the forum.keep free eritrea from foreign hands, should be the motto of all of those peace loving eritreans.

          • Lebam

            Selam Sara,

            I appriciate your kind words and value your contribution to this forum as a person with experience and for being a strong opinionated woman.

            Thank you!

          • Sultan M.G.

            MM:
            I thought u r an Engineer.
            The OPTION is simple and ONE:
            -Get united as ONE people and ONE NATION for ONE goal!
            If the issue is that we we failed and we need help.
            Then we need to answer the question as to why failed followed by efforts and strategies to overcome the challenges , which have hindered us from achieving our goals !
            If we fail these,then we don’t need to continue as an Independent people and as a nation!

        • David Samson

          Selam Yoni,

          All those who claimed to be pseudo -oppositions are inadvertently
          contributing to the suffering of our people under the cover of sovereignty. It is now clear IA is the only person who is a threat to Eritrea to continue as a nation.

          We have not learned any lesson since 1998. We are still awaiting approval from IA to give us the green light to travel to Tigray to oppose him. Years ago, I was told by PFDG that I am entitled to oppose IA and his gangsters, but with a caveat: I have to pay my 2% duty. How many times IA has fallen out with Sudan? Every time he does, the oppositions have to find other venues. Seyoum Harestay(RIP), a man who can think on his feet was asked the same question during the high emotional time in 1998. His reply was “ If IA has to fell out with the EU, we have to pack our bags and leave”. Where to? God knows!

          All those pretend to care about the welfare of our people are arguing that you can’t trust the TPLF. Well, TPLF has not forced any Eritrean to wage a war against IA. We are using TPLF as a scapegoat to cover our failures and weaknesses. It is up the opposition to work for their interest.

          Having said that, I can’t see what Mesfin could achieve anything
          tangible from the alliance. Eritrean people have been suffering from war fatigue and do not have an appetite to wage a bloody war against IA. I can’t also see if it is feasible. Nevertheless, Mesfin is a politician after all and can read the timing might be right to get rid of IA.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam David:
            Few things:
            -Almost all Eritreans agree and would like to change ASAP
            -Most Eritrean would like IA either to go away ASAP and/ or to improve the situation including the implementation of the Ratified Constitution, which he has failed thus far, and less likely so to change the course positively even after the long-awaited peace deal was inked with Ethiopia, which further EXPOSED who IA was/has been and is !
            Now the dilemma Eritreans disagree and could not come with better alternatives and solutions is as to how to bring the Past due change !
            After all stratus have failed, the old new risky strategy is back to refreshing an Alliance with the TPLF!
            But then what kind of an Alliance is the dilemma and the challenge, which is too early to figure out until the Eri Opp gets back together United and makes itself STRONGER than ever in a way that it will not be manipulated and deceived and even betrayed by the same old new “ Partner/Ally”!

    • Lebam

      Selam Sultan,

      At what cost? Nothing is for free, and the saying “by any means necessary” isn’t something I support for my country.

      When Jack Ma (Chinese billionaire) offered Eritrea Covid-19 supplies and the Eritrean government denied it I was happy. Yes, it’s an controversial opinion. However, my opinion is based on not owing anyone anything. I rather we make due with what we have than get a handout from someone waiting to collect.

      Eritreas affairs should be handled by Eritreans. Every country that had a foreign entity involved has been left in chaos and rubbles. Even decades after they are stuck and worse of than before.

      Eritreans as a whole wouldn’t support TPLF getting involved. I am sure many are desperate and want a change as fast as possible, but acts of desperation often leads to unwanted outcomes.

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hello All:
    The featured GOLDEN comment of the 21st century:

    “TPLF had no choice but to accept Eritrea’s declaration of Independence.
    The liberation of Eritrea and its existence as a sovereign nation is not a gift from TPLF, PFDJ, and Isaias. It is a gift of Eritrea’s daughters and sons.

    The fault of TPLF lies in not realizing its strategic partner which is the Eritrean people and Eritrea as a sovereign state. Instead TPLF did and is doing everything to undermine Eritrean unity and sovereignty. To get rid of PFDJ, TPLF had 20 years to accept the EEBC verdict and resist from activities that undermine Eritrean unity. TPLF didn’t because its target is not PFDJ or Isaias but the unity and sovereignty of Eritrea.”.
    Courtesy of Professor Hashela.

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awate people,

    Dawit’s letter didn’t reach destination. The Egyptian God of Western Wind (Hutchai) blew it south to the Nile Dam. For those who know the Dam more than knowing a little bit of the Blue Nile, here is the first of three volumes documentary on the mighty river. You can follow the remaining parts by searching u-tube. There is something for everyone, including ጠጅ.

    https://youtu.be/_E17dCWtAOk

    • A.Osman

      Selam Haile S,

      The link does not work for me….it says:
      This video contains content from Endemol International BV Parent, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

      AOsman

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Brother A.soman,

        Try once again..Brother..

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCFC2AO4ZYM

        I have enjoyed the show…

        KS,,

        • A.Osman

          same problem, but it lead me to another well presented clip
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEGxtJ5gfa0

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother A.soman,

            This if even latest one..2019 December..But the one we both kept the link is really original…You may have seen the culture of the people..

            KS,,

      • Haile S.

        Selam Osman,

        Sorry, it happened to me on other documentaries. The title is “Ethiopia, source of the blue nile (Tiqur Abay) part 1 of 3”, if it helps.

    • Abi

      መምህር
      Actually, the letter found its way to ማይበላ through Asmellash’s toilet. I don’t want to tell you what Asmellash did with the copy of the letter.
      በል አሁን ብርሌያችንን ሞልተን ጠጃችንን እንከምክም!

      “አባይ ማደርያ የለው ግንድ ይዞ ይዞራል” ነበረ ተረቱ
      ህዳሴ ውስጥ ይረፍ ይግባ ወደቤቱ!
      ተቀበል!

      • Haile S.

        ጀታው፡

        ብታከብር ይሻልሃል ታላቁ ወንዝ ማይ’በላ
        ምንሊክ-1ኛ የታጠበባት ከማህጸን ከወጣ በኋላ

        ማይ’በላ የሚል የወንዙ ስም የወጣለት
        መጀመርያው የSolomonic dynasty የተወለደ’ለት
        ማጠብያ ውሃ(ማይ)በላ(ኣቀብሉ) በትግርኛ ማለት

        መከበር ኣለበት እንደ ቁልቢ ገብሬል በኢትዮጵያውያን
        የጠቅል ኣሽከር ብለው የሚምሉት ልጀ-ሳባውያን

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    ሰላም ዓወታውያን,

    ፕሮፌሰር ተስፋጼን ኣብዘን ዝስዕባ ጉዳያት ዝገብሮ መደረ ብጣዕሚ ደስ ስለዝበለንን: አነ እንተኾነውን ዘቃልሖን ዝዛረበሉን ስለዝኾነ ንመደረኡ ክትሰምዑ ይዕደመኩም:: እተን ንዓይ ዘገደሳኒ ኸአ:-
    (ሀ) ቅዋምን ቅዋምነትን
    (ለ) ብስም ብርዒ ተሓቢእም
    ሰብ ከጸልሙ ዝውዕሉ
    (ሐ) ናይ ኢሳያስ ሕልሚ ትግራይ-ትግራኚ ምኻኑን እየን:: He is a great orator and enjoy it.

    https://youtu.be/CSlDqNp_Cx0

    • Kokhob Selam

      Yep Amuni,

      Condolence,my dear for the lose you face..I already called you..

      Shall I come with real name?

      ፕሮፌሰር ተስፋጼን:- He was really great man, who expose our struggle very much matured of his time..

      Yep Amuni, you totally right I 2nd you. You should be completely sure that you are the real person and I do respect those who are using the correct name and picture…. And sure very soon I will do that..But still some time more as I want to accomplish some jobs still as I am in danger place for my life..what do you say? I will soon come-out expose my real picture to this site…

      “He is a great orator and enjoy it.” Yes really I enjoy it also..I wish every man in this site is hearing it..I recommended all to read it..even those Ethiopians of our participants …

      KS,,

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Kokhobay,

        First, take care of yourself. I know your health conditions. Second, since you are clean on what say in your comment, it doesn’t matter whether you come out with your real name or not. However it is your decision. I wish Awate team to make it as a rule to log in to the forum with “real name and picture”. I bet you will not see not more than 10 people to log in to the forum. Serious people who could debate with full disclosure and without fear are very few. I always pray for you.

        Regards

        • Brhan

          Ustaz Amanuel,

          Thank you for your comment. Allow me to say my perspective in this issue. It is in my good intention to say that those who use pen names and I am one of them, do it for a purpose you understand very clearly: We have a mafia state. As mafias do , it comes after the beloved ones. Here the degree of vulnerability from each person to other can be different. Some of us have our immediate family members, some of us relatives and friends and some us our whole village in Eritrea. And some without( no family member/relative/friend / the whole village).

          I have not listened to Prof. Zion speech that you mentioned ( I will do this weekend) but I believe he means those who unleash racist comments or speeches using Pen Names.

          Wikipedia has a long list of why pen names are used and there are a few that fit our situation. But I like this one: “In early Indian literature, we find authors shying away from using any name considering it to be egotistical.(ጸላኢና ኣነ ኣነ ይበል ከምዝበሃል).

          One more thing to add it is also functional to use it. Let us say my name was Amnuel Hidrat or your was Mohamed Brhan: we will be obliged to use pen name other wise we will confuse our readers.

          Having said that there nothing better than revealing yourself. If one of your hobbies is watching movies like me, do you remember the movie Hero by Andy Garcia and Dustin Hoffman: Let us say my writing won Pultizer, Mr. Carcia can claim he is Brhan to win the prize.

          مع السلامة يا امانوئيل

      • Abi

        Kokobe
        I think I have seen your picture in an article. Let me add two and two and see if I come up with Kokobe?
        -This person has several children
        -This person works in a telecom industry
        -This person has a daughter who is a journalist
        -This person traveled to our region with his daughter around 2014/15(?)

        Is this person Kokobe?
        Tell me I’m not overthinking:)

      • Sultan M.G.

        KokhobY:
        Don’t do it for now specially if u r planning to go home
        Not worth.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Hope,

          Don’t you think you are saying lets continue business as usual and confirm the regime’s claim that it is getting resisted by cowards? Isn’t this emboldening the regime?

          I don’t mind individuals taking their own decision, but I wouldn’t put it as a recommendation as you did.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Prof Hailat:
            I accept your advice but as an opinion ONLY coz I said so based on the painful experience where people disappear,get kidnapped,detained and even get killed simply coz they were members of the Opposition or for what they said and commented against the PFDJ and Leadership,minus very few cases when few individuals were involved directly or indirectly against the National Security Interest of Eritrea and Eritreans by being agents and mercenaries of our enemies..

            In fact,it is beyond a recommendation for the safety of those naive and INNOCENT Citizens,who have been genuinely criticizing the regime in Asmera..

      • Lebam

        Selam Kokhob,

        I agree with Sultan. Also, don’t share your personal information with the likes of Abi.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selamat Prof Aman:
      I would like to use this opportunity to once again to express my deepest Condolence for your loss of part of you and your life,the late Ms Dehab,RIP..
      Welcome back.Aside form his controversial status,Prof Tesfatsion Medhanie is but an icon.
      He confuses us by flip-flopping about this Citizenship, when he finally declared to Beyene of SBS Radio that he is officially an Ethiopian, which he is entitled to.
      His Scientific Papers and analysis are but great and to the point.
      I posted a link his Discussion paper about what you mentioned above.
      I think we all agree about the short and .ong term agenda of the PFDJ and the major issue should be:
      What can we do and how can we counter his agenda(New and Effective strategies)

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    What’s Ethiopia got to do with this article?
    Nada.

    • Abi

      MM
      It is always refreshing to talk about The Mighty Nile, The GERD and Ethiopia than the stinking , sewage filled ማይበላ river thingy.

      • Hashela

        Abi

        my first scientific paper was about Blue Nile water. That paper still gets cited about 50 times per year!

        • Abi

          Hashela
          I believe you, brother. Congratulations!!
          Have you visited the river?

          • Hashela

            Abi

            yes, but not in Ethiopia.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            You need to do better.
            Have you watched the documentary “ mystery of the blue Nile “?

          • Hashela

            Selam Abi

            Not sure what do you mean by “ do better” and I am doing excellent!

            Your second question reminds me on a discussion I had with a white colleague when I was on a sabbatical at his university. I was working on a manuscript to be published in the Journal called “Science”. So I shared the basic idea of my paper with him and his working group. He was so excited by the idea and the topics that he started to read popular (i.e none scientific) literature and videos like the one you mentioned and asked me whether I know when and by whom the source of Nile River discovered. Annoyed by his ignorance and white racism, I asked him “what do you mean with discovered”. First, he didn’t get my point, later He came to me and apologized. The Nile and its sources was known to us, the East African People, since the last 90,000 years! So no mystery in there!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I said “you need to do better “ because you haven’t seen the Blue Nile from Ethiopian side. It is my way of inviting you to visit Abay.

            Don’t try to hike close to the river. The crocos are aggressive:)

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I love to do it when Ethiopia is safe and inviting. I don’t want to to be mistaken as TPLF spy. It is shocking how TPLF detrimentally changed the entire region.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            And some of our people want to invite the TPLF to our country to drop nuclear bomb with a waste that we will never able to clean.

            Berhe

          • Sultan M.G.

            Hashela:
            It is a “MUST” that you visit this nation called Ethiopia.
            Forget about the Blue Nile /Abay Spectacular Falls and its Jewel historical sites but the Semien Mountains,the Awash,the Arba Minch Parks,etc…besides the Axums,the Lalibelas…
            I don’t understand these people still killing each other when they are endowed with such golden nature and its miraculous resources.
            I literally toured the country from the top N all the way to the bottom edge S,E and W of it.
            The GERD is going to be an extra PLUS.

          • Hashela

            Sultan
            here is a story of mine

            I after doing some works in the Arabian Sea, I arrived in Djibouti. On my from the harbor to the hotel, I saw the chaos, dirt, noise, and omnipresent Chat chewing which I found disgusting. I though I need to expedite my departure from this place. It happened that the owner of the hotel was a former president of Djibouti and he was very interested about the research I was doing. He called one of his Eritrean worker and told him to give me a day-long tour using one of the Hotel’s SUVs. With an Eritrean brother on my side, I felt safe and very much enjoyed the tour.

            I seems that in today’s Ethiopia where ethnic-driven chaos prevails, one needs a guide from his/her ethnic group. This is a TPLF gift for our region.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Abi,

        The stinking , sewage filled ማይበላ river thingy.

        I know you like to insult everything Eritrea possess but please. have some sensitivity.

        I know for a fact when the last time Ethiopia won the soccer match against Zimbabwe (East and Central Africa cup I think) which was held in Addis Abeba, you have cried with joy.

        One of the person who delivered that joy for you is Negash Teklit and he is a son of maibela.

        It may sticking sewage for us, but we have a sewage, just like any other “civilized city”. How about you:).

        Berhe

        • Abi

          Hawna Berhe
          Negash Teklit was one of the best players in that team.
          It was a joyful night except there was a blackout right after the game. I was at a bar around አራት ኪሎ.
          I blame it on the ማይበላ ወንበዴዎች.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            It’s nice you admitted that you cried of joy:) because of Negash Teklit. That’s why I made a bet with you:).

            There were three Eritrean players I think in that team. Negash Teklit, Amanuel Eyasu and Desalegn.

            The problem with some Ethiopian leaders (at least that’s how we felt and we saw it), they always wanted to come out on top even if they don’t have the skills/ talent to do so. This is not only in sport but in a lot of aspects of our lives. I think they always had a village mentality that we saw Eritreans (even though claiming Eritrea as their own) but the people as outsiders and we have to prove them wrong.

            Yidnekatchew Tessema I think was a great leader. In the 1962 Cup that Ethiopia won, he selected 12 Eritrean players, of which 8 were playing during the final (1 replaced during the game) and he scored the equalizer where Egypt was leading. Then the two Vassalo brothers had one each. Mengustu Work scored the last goal for Ethiopia to win 4-2.

            Mengistu Worku was a terrible coach I think. He never gave the Eritrean players equal opportunity and during the game in the 80s held in Lybia. Tesfamichale Fanjue, Micheal (Buja), Hadish (Koreri), Tefera, who they didn’t have enough time to play.

            Eritreans of the 80s were some of the best soccer teams and those guys were legends. Not only that, they were winning champion after champions in the tournamets (specially Red Sea and Eritrea Chama (Chipolini).

            Anyway, I hope to see a game next time around…and kick your …behind…And that’s all we should be talking about….

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Real Madrid won the championship with one game left to play.

            Why do you have to kick my behind? አንተ እንደአህያ ምን ያራግጥሃል? ችሎታ ካለህ: አቅምህ ከፈቀደ ኳስ ተጫውተህ አሸንፍ::
            ይህ ካልቾና ቡኛ ከኳስ ጋር መቀላቀል ብታቆም ይሻልሃል::
            I have to admit that those guys coming from Eritrean clubs were really great. They were the pillars of the national team.
            የቐንየለይ

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            You are in good mood today:), my bad.

            You know what I mean, we will beat you in a game. Even if we lose that’s ok too. It’s just a game.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            I’m always in a good mood! Just giving you hard time.
            ይህን ቶሎ መደናገጥ አቁም:)
            There is no reason why your team can’t beat our team. This is the beauty of soccer. There are only eleven players playing at a time and only 25 players in a team.
            Soccer is the best equalizer:)
            Look what the Eritrean cycling team achieved!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I agree, not only soccer but most sports are.

            I really think our players would have a huge advantage because of the environment (being on high sea level) in most sports that requires endurance. Off course, talent and skills needs to be developed as well. This may not be true in Basket Ball or Volley ball because of height advantage but soccer, tennis (to some degree), cycling, running.

            I actually think cycling is harder to because it involves owning a bike and having a team / environment that supports it.

            But soccer and running, it should be our sports. When I say we, I mean the region, not only Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            We should beat everyone in any kind of sport. We have a 3000 years of experience!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe,

            You are mistaken.

            Eritrean players of the 60s and 70s were way better.

            Ghila Mikael, Tekle [Mengistu Worku’s personal enemy], Luciano, Italo, Pache, Yemane, Ismail, Muhammad Abdallah, Bekurezion, Girma Asmerom.

            Luciano was an intellectual, a thinking problem solver. Muhammad Abdallah could play in any great team; Brazil 1970 and 1982 comes to my mind.

          • Brhan

            Hi Simon,
            Do you mean Ahmed Abdallah?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            You are right. Do you know how he is now by any chance?

          • Brhan

            Simon,
            Ahmed Abdallah is in UAE and has become its citiszen.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            That is good news.

  • Selam All,

    Ethiopia has asserted her generational dream and her God-given rights over the river nile, by starting to fill the dam. A year on, it will begin to produce electricity for ethiopia and the whole region.
    The geo-politics of the region will not be the same anymore. If ethiopia manages to defeat her internal enemies as well, as she seems to be taking decisive measures lately against the anti-ethiopian forces, she will be able to come out stronger socially, politically and economically.
    The world community has shown its stand implicitly that ethiopia was always right as much as the equitable sharing of the nile is concerned and that the 1929 and 1959 agreements didn’t hold water and they meant nothing for ethiopia. In addition, other riparian African countries are justified to demand their share of the river.
    It could be that solving the issue of the nile may as well solve the problems of the region, because one of the reasons for war and instability was the intervention of egypt not only for decades but for centuries. Nevertheless, is water the only problem for egypt or the very existence of a strong nation in the neighborhood, ethiopia? I think that egypt’s geopolitical influence in the arab world and the horn of africa, is equally important and egypt most probably will continue to destabilize ethiopia and the whole region. Therefore, the enemies within and without will continue to work, although with much less success. The leap forward for ethiopia, which could have been much bigger and smoother, could still face some problems on the way.
    Nevertheless, it should be known that this is a great new beginning for ethiopia and a sad day for her enemies.

    • Hashela

      Hi Horizon

      As black African, I am proud that a sub-Sahran country is claiming its rights and its share. As an Eritrean, I worry that an inherently belligerent Ethiopia will have more resource to continue its destabilizing and destructive politics in the Horn of Africa.

      • Selam Hashela,

        The so-called belligerent ethiopia has signed a peace agreement since the last two years, and yet many do not believe it for different reasons. The two governments are on a peaceful footing visiting each other’s countries, and yet conspiracy theorists give it different interpretations.
        Economic ties the gerd will bring is one corner stone ethiopians and eritreans should build on and not demonize it as if it is one more weapon for ethiopia. A resourceful ethiopia could drag with it eritrea as well out of poverty, if politics didn’t have the upper hand. The gerd could light eritrean homes and set in motion eritrean industries and business, provided there is the will.
        If therefore we concentrate on its positive side, the outcome for both countries will be to the advantage of the people of ethiopia and eritrea.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Horizon,
          Keep the Gerd to yourself.
          There is no agreement between Eritrea and Ethiopia, The agreement is between 2 dictators. None knows what the agreement is.
          Stop commenting with these BS stuff.

          • Abi

            MM
            You are short circuited as usual. It must be a seasonal thing. Calm down. You need some kind of rewiring or rewinding or something. May be you need a tune up. Tightening up some loose screws in your thinking department is almost always worth the effort.

            Some 5or 6 years back, Isu Chisu said , he would buy power from Ethiopia if it is reasonably priced or something like that. It was in one of his long interviews.
            Now that is what I call Visionary Leadership!!!!!
            The agreement is to live peacefully side by side.
            You are always welcome not to use power from the GERD. We need more power to lit Assab.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Hashela; I share your take and your concern about the belligerent nature of Ethiopia, However; worry no more. The Ethiopians had the greatest timing on their side to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans once and for ever while Eritrea was in her lowest, It didn’t happen when Ethiopians tried in the period of their strength, unity, moral and resources at all time high. Do you know how it went? this was their strategy and it will remain to be for ever in the future. They don’t change or learn.

        The Ethiopian commanders’ strategy was simple. Deploying tens of thousands of barely trained recruits along a 3-mile front, they drove them forward, wave upon wave, with the sole mission of blowing themselves up on minefields until they had cleared a path to the Eritrean front line for better trained infantry, mechanized forces and armor.
        In the third or fourth wave, about 5,000 peasants came with them, their mules and donkeys bearing food and ammunition for an Ethiopian breakthrough. It didn’t work. The doomed men hardly raised their weapons, but linked hands in a despairing communal solace in the face of certain death from four sources: mines, perfectly aimed artillery, the trenches and their own officers in the rear, who shot them if they turned and ran. It was a killing field of mowing down the oncoming horde till their Kalashnikovs became too hot to hold, their fingers raw from unclipping grenades.

    • Abi

      Hello Horizon
      As you correctly mentioned that the 1929 and 1959 agreements don’t hold water. What holds water is the Grand Dam!
      Next stop is Assab! Yes, it is our port and we should reclaim it in due time.

      • mad mullah

        Hello Horizon,
        This Assab port stuff is just thinking from the last century. Ethiopia has proven it can be successful without its own port. It is connection via Djibouti, berbera(now), port Sudan, and Kenya. One of the most successful countries in Africa is Botswana and it is landlocked. One of the fastest growing economy in Africa is Rwanda which is landlocked. Port are not essential for countries. In matter of fact, when a country can work with constraint and still have successful economy it is a good sign.
        Ethiopia already has four connection to ports one more port would be great but it is not essential success.
        The people talking about Assab and taking ports from other countries are just denqorocrats from last century with limited view on economic success and ports…

        • Selam mad mullah,
          I don’t know if you remember that we have been discussing for a long time about assab in this forum, and everything in relations with it, i.e. how ethiopia came to be landlocked, colonial borders, italy’s plan to landlock ethiopia since mid-nineteenth century with the plan to colonize it, how eritrea inherited it, its economic and security impact for ethiopia, its long term effect on the coming generations for centuries and beyond, etc , and i really think that repeating the discussion will be tiresome and not productive.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Horizon
            There are 50+ African countries whose borders were drawn by European. If you go down that rabbit hole and start fighting war to claim “supposed” territory…
            What I am trying to say that sort of thinking is last century. As countries build roads and infrastructure..land-lock is not bad.
            For example, in East African Community market… trucks don’t even stop at border.
            They are working on African passport that allows you to travel different countries in Africa without visa…
            We are getting more and more connected and having port plays less of role.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Horizon == ex-dreg remnant

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ,
            Don’t be so cheap.

        • Abi

          Hello mad mullah
          You are on fire these days:)
          What the denqorocrats saying is ‘ክፉ ጎረቤት እራስን ያስችላል’.
          አሰብ የግመል ሳይሆን የኢትዮጵያ መርከቦች ማስተናገጃ መሆኑ አይቀሬ ነው::
          ግመሎች ጥጋችሁን ያዙ!

      • Consolation

        Selam Abi,

        As they say, “the lady doth protest too much.” You have given yourself the nick-name Abi very likely to make us believe that you are an Aby supporter. Your constant harping about Assab is very likely meant to make us believe that you are an Amhara. What follows is transparent since I don’t think that you are either an Amhara or support Aby. What fascinates me is that, even this late into the game when the TPLF is inside the grave, digitial weyane clowns are still at it.

        • Abi

          Selam Consolation
          I usually don’t respond to people who don’t pay attention. This time I make an exception since you have not been around for a very long time. I’m just assuming you are the old Consolation. If you are, welcome back. If you are a new Consolation, welcome to Awatenation.

          Abi is a nickname given to me by the Great LT. Coincidentally, growing up everyday called me Abi/ Abiti. Feel free to call me ራዕሢ አቢ.

          I have been around at this nation long before Abiy came to power.

          Everybody here knows I’m an Amhara.

          I don’t know what fascinates you.
          Assab will be returned to its rightful owners in due time.
          You will be awarded a consolation prize for good behavior if you Avoid unnecessary confrontations.
          በአማርኛ የፀባይ ዋንጫ እንደሚባለው መሆኑ ነው::
          Now, move out of my way! I’m on my way to Assab.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            There is death, destruction, and an all out daily mayhem in Ethiopia. But you are firmly fixated on Eritrea and Assab. You need to put out the fire in your house first; I told you this many times.

            I think you are using the case of Eritrea as a painkiller. You see Ethiopia down the path of disintegration, and this is painful to you. But watching Eritrea slide down a similar trajectory gives you a temporary relief from pain. It is addictive.

          • Abi

            Simon
            What are you talking about?
            Eritrea is in a much better position due to the Visionary Leadership of Isaias Afwerki!!!
            The no nonsense and decisive actions of His Excellency Isu is keeping Eritrea standing tall and marching forward!!
            It is the ungrateful lots like yourselves who do not appreciate his steadfastness in guiding Eritrea through the land mines that was put by the Tplf thugs and their activists in the ranks of the opposition .

            Eritrea will never follow the path of Ethiopia into the unknown as long as the visionary leader, ተጋዳላይ ኢሳያስ , is breathing.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            You are too addicted to your painkiller.

          • Abi

            Simon
            “ህመሜም አንተው ነህ በሽታም የለብኝ” ብላለች ዘፋኝ

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hi Abi,

            I hope that your endeavour is productive.

          • Brhan

            Hi Abi,
            Abiy Ahmed is follwoing the tyrant of Eritrea and look what is happening in the heart of Ethiopia.

          • Brhan

            Hi Simon,
            I advised him to marry an Eritrean. He nejlected my advice. Do you have another solution for him. He needs help.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Brhan,

            He needs to come back to Ethiopia, see for himself, for a reality check.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ሳይሞን:
            ዓቕሊ ጽበት ‘ዩ ዘዕገርግሮ ዘሎ። ስልጣን ናባና መዓስ ‘ያ ትምለስ ዝብል ሓሳባት መርዘን ፈጢርሉ።

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ምነው የኣሰቡ ነገር ትንግርቱ
            ምን ኣለበት ቢጠይቁን ዜግነቱ
            ኣይሻልም ጠላት ከማብዛቱ ?
            እንዳይቀር የጀታው እሪ በከንቱ
            እንሾምዎታለን ኣሰብ፡ ራስ የቀረጡ
            ገበታ የሹም-ሽር ኣይርሱ ብቻ ማዘጋጀቱ!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            አሰብ የጥንቱ የጠዋቱ
            የኮራ በዜግነቱ
            የሚመካ በኢትዮጵያዊነቱ
            ብትሸናበት ግመሊቱ
            ብትናፍቀው መርከቢቱ
            መጣሁለት አብነቱ
            ልሆንለት መድሃኒቱ!

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ኢትዮጵያ እማ ነበረች የሁላችን
            በስሟ ይጠራ ኣልነበር ሳይቀር Atlantic Ocean?

            የጥንቱ’ማ ከተነሳ
            ታልፍ ኣልነበረም Mombasa?
            እንዳስቀመጡት በመጻሕፍታቸው ዶር ቶሎሳ

            ጀታው እባክዎ ይነሱ
            2020 ዓ.ም. ይድረሱ

          • Abi

            መምህር
            አንቀላፋች እንጂ መች ሞተች ሃገሬ
            ቀዩ ባህር ላይ ነው የቀድሞ ድንበሬ
            ድንበሬን ላስከብር መጣሁ ተንደርድሬ
            እፎይ ! ከዚያ ወዲያ አጥሬን አጥሬ

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            እግድያ መልካም እንቅልፍና ሕልም ኣባ ትልቁ
            GERD ፊኛችው ሞልቶ ሲነሱ ያገናኘን ሲነቃቁ

          • Brhan

            ኣቶ ሃይለ
            ሓንቲ ካባና ዘይትምርዖ ኢለ ምዒደ
            ኣይበለንን እንዶ ዕደ!
            እንታይ እሞ ንግበር ምስ ዝዓበደ
            ጸበል ንደለየሉ ከይገደደ!

      • Brhan

        Abi,
        By “we” do you mean the “Amhara”?

        • Teodros Alem

          brhan
          yes, assab was wallo territory and assab will come back to ethiopia and mesewa will remain water hole for camels.

    • iSem

      Hi Horizon
      thanks for sharing the good news. At least a century late but as the saying goes, “better late than never’ .Imagine now where our countries could have been had the the leaders of Ethiopia were little visionary,shall we say blinded by the waves of the sea 🙂
      Egypt’s knack and shrewd behind the scene manipulation was/is equally devoid of vision as well.
      Ethiopia beats its chest for being the only country in Africa that was not colonized, this is technically correct but the Italians ruled it for 5 ears and the Brisish for a year or so until HS was installed? But the only country not be colonized is also a product of the European colonization, some by addition some by substruction. Put differently while the Europeans have established nation states for themselves that ushered stability, they denied that to Africa and we do not have nations state in Africa. The Europeans interrupted the process and we have what we have. So what I am saying is the Dam’s economic benefits will not be immediately contribute in the quality life, it will take decades and therefore Ethiopia is not out of the woods. Look now we are at the same place we were when TPLF declared state of emergency: no tel, what will follow will be more crackdown and more revolt

      • Selam iSem,

        We start from a low level and a long standing problem and it will not be overcome by a magic wand, and therefore ethiopia has still to work to achieve fully the blessing of additional 6000MW of electricity. Nevertheless, even if only two turbines work and produce electricity, electric trains will start to function normally, industries and homes will not have frequent electricity outages, as they have today, and things will be much better.
        Yes, ethiopia is still in the woods, nevertheless, she is walking towards the exit, in the right direction. How fast she will come out of the woods will also depend on what sort of problems ethiopian internal enemies will try to create and how much the people will adapt this success achieved with the dam.
        When ultranationalists were given freedom of speech, assembly, etc, when they were freed from prisons or called back from exile, they misinterpreted it as their triumph and not the good will of a democratic change coming to ethiopia. They knew only the law of the jungle even if they said they hold degrees of one sort or another.
        Even though they call themselves political specialists, they couldn’t even differentiate between democracy and anarchy, and they tried to use deceitful ways to ascend to power. They felt above the law, and they thought that they could ascend power illegally by using “street radicalism”. They formed hit-groups, they implemented savagery as a modus operandi, etc, and they brought the good will of the government and that of the ethiopian people to its limits.
        In Front of such a situation of chaos and destabilization, created by anti-ethiopian forces, the government could not sit and look as people are slaughtered, mass killings carried out, properties are destroyed and people are targeted for the sake of their identity.
        Measures have been taken and anti-peace anti-people criminals are behind bars and state of emergency declared. It is not unusual in such circumstances. If dictatorship comes to ethiopia, or even people ask for dictatorship out of fear for their lives, these ultra-nationalist anti-ethiopians are responsible. It is a pity that the government has allowed street radicalism by extremists like jawar, bekele g and others and it has not taken measures earlier.

        • Samuel

          Sorry, I moved my post to proper thread..

    • Samuel

      Selam Horizon,
      Hypocrisy never ends with some Ethiopians. In Ethiopia we have the hard workers and visionaries, AND we have the so called hypocrites and pretenders, thus don’t make yourself known.

      The very people who were against the dam for 8 years, they are now championing as if they have contributed a penny? Have you contributed to the dam? Did you buy a bond?
      Those who are beating the drum about filling the dam today were against the dam two years ago. They were pleading US senators to stop the GERD dam.

      Slow down my friend, don’t confuse the forum. First of all when the GERD dam launched its construction in 2011 it was meant to be filled and generate electric city, nothing else. What is the news here?

      Before you keep beating the drum, the civil engineering work of the dam was already 93% completed before Abiy came to power. It was already ready for filling up. Abiy delayed it for 18 months and now he is generating propaganda as if he did some magic. That is what he does best, deceive the public.

      If you are really worried about the dam, you have to fear the agreements that are signed by Abiy behind doors. Don’t forget that “Wuchale treaty” and “FeresMay treaty” were signed behind doors.

      Who signed in 1902 to not construct a dam in the Nile river basin? Your beloved one Menelik, who built a dam on the Nile river? Meles Zenawi, the one you hate most. You see the parallel? That is Ethiopian politics at best.

      The ones you are calling “enemy” are the ones who started and finished the project. Why were you opposing the dam two years ago? I am sure its easy to deny now.

      Thanks,

      • Selam Samuel,

        Most of the things you are saying are lies, part of the propaganda work you have undertaken to accomplish.
        The only people who were undermining the dam were those who had it as a cash cow, tplf, especially after they were evicted from power, and the responsibility of constructing the electro-mechanical work was taken away from metec, through which tplf looted the country.
        Almost every ethiopian paid from the little they have and part of it was stolen by tplf either through metec or otherwise. After all, who are you to ask who paid what?
        Do you want to tell as that tplf had forfeited ethiopia’s right to use the waters of the nile when you say that it was meant “to generate electricity, nothing else”?
        Talk about the electro-mechanical work which was of poor standard, constructed by metec without having the know-how and the experience. It was the reason why the project lagged four years until 2022, while it was expected to be finished by 2018. What is the use of filling a dam when it can’t produce electricity or you can’t use it for irrigation? The civil engineering work alone cannot make a hydro-electric dam. Salini did the job, the kleptocrats didn’t do their part.
        They were busy stealing. Metec was very good in embezzlement and mismanagement than doing the electro-mechanical works. That was the reason it was kicked out, and the contract was given to a foreign firm. The loss to ethiopia was big on top of what tplf officials looted. Salini had demanded for 300m euros in compensation for the delay.
        Maybe you won’t deny the fact that metec was paid billions of birr to clean the forest, did only 25% of the job, and was paid 100% of the money, and extra money was paid to the regional government to do the job.
        A young lady said, (i am paraphrasing her words), Menelik II who protected ethiopia’s sovereignty and didn’t let her fall under italian colonialism, and you and me can say today, we were always free, was a true ethiopian leader. He did not sign any agreement that undermined ethiopia’s rights on the nile river. Otherwise, egypt could have used it.
        As said, you have the right to your opinion, but not when they are in the sphere of outright lies.

        • Abi

          Horizon
          ከዚህ ወሮበላ የቀን ጅብ ጋር ምን ያወዛግብሃል?
          የሌባ ዓይነደረቅ ብለህ እርሳው::

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abiy; i was following between the two and i am amazed at the crookedness of the TPLF thug. There is no shame what-so-ever!!! How do you reason with those kinds of people? Good-luck people, i am glad my country doesn’t have to deal with those kinds of animals. Thanks god.

          • Abi

            General
            What is interesting to watch is the support the weyane thug is gaining from the Eritreans in this website.

        • Hashela

          Hi Horizon

          I wonder what happened to the mysterious TPLF map that connected the GERD dam to Tigray. Eritreans know that TPLF’s territorial maps once drawn they resurface periodically and are hard to get rid of.

          • Selam Hashela
            I think that I have seen the map you are referring to, but I didn’t give it much thought.
            It is one of the manifestations of their madness. Tplf seems to see the whole region in a similar way as the scramble for Africa by European powers during the 19th century..

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Horizon,

          ” Talk about the electro-mechanical work which was of poor standard, constructed by metec without having the know-how and experience………..”

          I want to make a point here about “metec” and its effort. I hope you don’t dismiss me as a tplf supporter. I don’t support or oppose these organizations. I only support what they do. The inflamed ethnic politics in Ethiopia is one of those that still bothers me, but that is for another day. Now back to “metec”.

          The reason “metec” was tasked to do this big job was because Ethiopia was completely blocked out from contracting big companies of the world. Do I need to explain that?

          Ethiopia had to dig deep and assemble its own Engineers, its own cash money and its own leadership to tackle a world class project. There are few world companies that do this kind of job, as you know.

          I like other Ethiopians contributed whatever we can. I am sure most of us anticipated possible poor quality of work, nepotism and out right corruption and theft. There was no other choice.
          Big companies learn from their mistakes. You supervise and punish the corrupt individuals in a court of law, not by a theory, innuendo or by a quote from ” international rivers” advocates, who didn’t want any dam in Ethiopia. (Remember them in Omo valley…they wanted people in the nude for visits)

          I don’t know why we have to destroy everything the previous regime did and start from ground zero again and again. We could correct the errors and corruptions of these entities who assembled experienced professionals and tackle other super projects like missiles or other defense related equipment, instead of disbanding them.
          I don’t know what happened to all those good patriotic good people who worked day and night to get it started and helped to where it is today. I still don’t know what happened to Engineer Simegnew Bekele, the chief project manager. I hope he sees his project is almost there, God willing.

          Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi K.H.

            I think this is very valid response and reasonable. I am sure many Ethiopian engineers have benefited from this experience and they will make it better.

            I still don't know what happened to Engineer Simegnew Bekele, the chief project manager. I hope he sees his project is almost there, God willing.

            I am not sure what you mean? Isn’t he who was assassinated?

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Berhe Y.,

            I don’t have any information that he was assassinated. I think he left his good byes and committed suicide, perhaps he was distraught his project was not going to make it.
            I think we all guess what happened because those on the know don’t tell us in detail what happened.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kim,

            Ok I am understand what you mean, now. It’s wrong of me to say he was assassinated.

            I wasn’t sure if you knew or not when you said “I hope he sees his project is almost there, God willing.”.

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Berhe Y,

            Ha Ha, you caught me on my fuzziness.
            I have gone back days or weeks back and read my post and see so many errors and fuzziness. Sometimes, I have to think twice as to what I was trying to say.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kim,

            I thought may be you didn’t know. I wasn’t trying to catch you:). God knows how many mistakes I make.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            I think he left his good byes and committed suicide

            Hi Kim; you are even more funnier that the police who gave the press conference at that time. The reason the police believed that he committed sluiced was because the night before he told his son to study hard and to do well in his schooling. That was so BS I was embarrassed for Ethiopian police. What kind of father won’t advice and encourage for his kids to do well in school? I guess only in Ethiopia that is considered s evidence for some one to carry out suicide. The truth is out there and no way that guy killed himself. What is worrying is, there are more horrible crimes that are covered and when they come-out? watch out.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,

            O.k then, who do you think killed him? The “tplf thugs” were the ones who hired and promoted him. Egypt? I need a little (not much) evidence, even if it a hear say. Until then, I will stay put.

            Scroll up on my response to Abi and check out that you tube. I hope your Amharic is still good enough to understand what was said for generations and TODAY it is becoming a realty, God willing.

            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,
            It is a giant dam, and you wouldn’t have given the electromechanical work to a novice that did not have the necessary knowledge and experience. They didn’t participate in any smaller dams like the gilgel gibes previously to achieve the necessary know-how, from what I have heard. It was meant to acquire knowledge and experience through work. This is the 7th biggest dam in the world and the biggest in Africa, and severely contested for that. Home grown experts are necessary, but they should have the necessary knowledge first before they undertake such a huge dam themselves, where any sort of failure is determental to its political outcome. More expenses and a four years delay was the result. They should have acquired the knowledge and experience they wanted working with international firms, but not by taking the responsibility alone. Today, I think that it is the Chinese who are doing the job. It could be somebody else, I am not sure.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            The knowledge and biasness you have about METEC is speechless, please try to visit the institution and try to have your own experience. Even though it has many locations, it’s headquarter is located in Bishoftu, Oromia.

            The idea of self-sufficient defense industrial base was started during HS and Derg, it continued and expanded the scale and scope during EPRDF.
            There are many success stories that you can witness yourself. Please visit the site, and ask them different questions (your biasness), learn from hands-on experience.

            Yes, they are making mistakes but they are making great progress too, the success story is greater than the mistakes they have made.

            It’s sad to hear people who worked hard for their country are now labeled as “enemy”.

            Thanks,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            I think some specific portion of the project is being managed by Chinese and others but the bulk of everything including those out sourced projects were and are being handled or assisted by Ethiopian Engineers. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some Eritrean engineers too. It was a huge project, anyone willing and in the know can help.

            Next Dam project, maybe on Wabi Shebele river. With the experience we gained we shouldn’t need too much help there. Isn’t that a good feeling.

            We are not out of the woods yet, but I think we took a giant step forward.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            The next dam is GERD ll on the same river.

          • A.Osman

            Hi Abi,

            Gerd 1 is at the downstream end and once filled, the release of water will be controlled and constant. Building Gerd 2 and more upstream should not be that controversial, unless the plan is for other purpose than power generation.

            AOsman

          • Teodros Alem

            a osman
            as we speak right now ethiopia is building 4 big irrigation dams in a nile contributors rivers, 2 of them is about to be completed and 2 of them just started construction.

          • Abi

            Hello AOsman
            If I remember correctly, There are two more locations conducive to produce more electricity.
            ህዳሴ 1, ህዳሴ 2, ህዳሴ 3,….
            More Power to Ethiopia!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abiy do you know GERD is three times of hoover dam? I have no doubt the importance of this GERD economically, it is huge but as large as three times of hoover; I wonder if Ethiopians are equipped to maintain the dam demands. I say this not that Ethiopians are less talented to do the job but there is one big African’s disease that is cutting corners and corruption. As the dam presents the greatest needed economic benefits, it also presents a great danger if not maintained the right way. it could eliminate Sudan and Egypt in a few days.

          • Abi

            General
            You are absolutely right this damn dam can wipe out Khartoum in hours. It can also wipe out Cairo including the Aswan dam.
            Once the dam is filled to capacity, Egypt and Sudan are the ones protecting the dam. They will pray 24 hours a day for God to protect the dam from natural disaster.

            The economic and political benefits are huge. There are countries lining up to purchase power from Ethiopia including Eritrea. In other terms, it will buy us influence.
            ( it will be free for Eritrea in exchange for your ports)
            I read somewhere 300 MW of power is more than enough to cover the electric power needs of Eritrea.
            According to the article I read, right now, Eritrea is running with only 60 MW of power.
            ( I’m glad to be corrected since I read the article long ago)

          • Nitricc

            I read somewhere 300 MW of power is more than enough to cover the electric power needs of Eritrea.

            Hey Abiy; I have no idea what Eritrea’s need is, however; 3000 MW is huge. I don’t think Eritrea needs that much electric power. GERD is set produce 6000MW and you are saying as much as half of GERD need for Eritrea? I don’t know but 3000 to great for Eritrea, I think???????

          • Abi

            General
            Our advantage is we don’t consume a lot of energy when it comes to individual households. We don’t use air conditioning and heating systems that consume a whole lot energy. Washing and drying needs a whole lot more energy than line drying. The sun is always shining:)
            We need the energy for basic needs like cooking and lighting. On average a home with 4 rooms in Eritrea or Ethiopia will consume much less energy than any average home in the western world.
            GERD will produce 6600 MW when all the turbines fully functioning.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi
            Since when is 300MW is 3000 MW? The later is 3GW 🙂

          • Abi

            MM
            Isn’t the difference between 300 and 3000 only one zero?
            You are kind of slow today. You definitely need some charging.
            Field Marshal General Nitricc made an error and corrected it immediately.
            Now, report to the charging station immediately before you damage the already week fuses even more.

          • Selam Abi,

            Egypt is stuck in the 1929 and 1959 agreements, and its arguments all through the discussions pointed to these two agreements. Egypt has two main demands in these last hours, that ethiopia builds no more dams on the nile (as per the 1929 agreement) and its lion’s share of the waters of the nile (1959) is respected. It has remained continuously at the same spot.

            What do you make of this? Read what the Egyptian minister of irrigation said: “Ethiopia’s livestocks consume more water than share of Egypt and Sudan.” Hundred million cattle use more water than egypt and sudan put together.
            Now, put hundred million cattle + 100 million other animals, domesticated and wild + 100 million ethiopians. Let’s not forget the birds, etc. All these creatures need water to survive. It is getting funny.
            Egyptian politicians are ready to deny water to all these creatures so that they continue to get the lion’s share of the waters of the nile. Somebody should remind them that it was drought and the absence of water that killed millions of ethiopians and made ethiopia known for hunger and famine, while egypt harvests three times a year with the water that originates in ethiopia.
            In actual fact, this shows that ethiopia needs much more water than the two countries put together. Their rhetoric also shows that they are ready to use even irrational justifications to control the river nile.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            ኤርትራውያን አንድ ግሩም አነጋገር አላቸው::
            ‘ግመሉ መንገዱን ቀጥሏል, ውሾቹም መጮሃቸውን ቀጥለዋል’

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon,

            Why compare the volume of water consumption of ethiopian wild and domestic animals with Nile’s share of Egypt & Sudan? Do all these animals trek to Abay twice a day to alleviate their thirst? The sentence pronounced by the minister should be a manna from heaven to all cartoonists and humorists.

          • Selam Haile S.,

            It shows their bankrupt position. They are using every fake news and alternative facts as if the world community is naive enough to believe this and other far-fetched explanations to support egypt’s position. It seems that the minister has no idea of the distribution of the animal population in ethiopia. Most animals, domestic and wild, are found in south western, southern and south eastern ethiopia, far from the nile river and its tributaries. Simply, they are running short of justifications to avoid equitable sharing of the water and blocking ethiopia’s developmental endeavors.
            It seems that the ethiopian government is playing a hide and seek game. It doesn’t seem to confirm nor deny that it has opened the gates to fill the dam. It is more or less saying that it is out of its control. Things are happening by themselves, because the dam is built in such a way that it will start filling more or less by itself after it reaches a certain height. Politics is indeed a tough game.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            What is undoubtedly clear is that Egypt run out of any sensible idea of reaching an agreement.
            If that minister is one of the negotiators, imagine the what the general public’s understanding on this complex issue.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Horizon,

            As Tedros pointed out, more dams will be built for irrigation purpose. Egypt is probably is negotiating hard on Gerd, not to stop Gerd itself, but to secure long term guarantees as Ethiopia is capable of drawing much water from the Nile, consequently causing impact on the survival as a nation.

            If Ethiopia, Sudan and Egypt worked together, much can be done that benefits all. For that to happen, an initial agreement needs to be reached that gives a level of assurance that Egypt survival is not going to be compromised.

            I know you mentioned desalination as an alternative, but it is not a cheap undertaking to desalinate water. It is more critical for Egypt to ensure it gets water, than Ethiopia to have port access to Assab, but you would not see that basic logic.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Selam a. Osman,

            If egypt thinks that its survival depends on the nile river only, it is making a big mistake. It should find other means of water procurement, having in mind climate change that is not far away.
            Gulf countries cover their water requirement through desalination, because they are rich in natural gas. Egypt too has found large reserves of natural gas under the sea, and she will have no problem using it for desalination.
            In addition, egypt has a huge underground water reserve in the desert. Libya was using it to irrigate its agricultural land, why not egypt.

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Horizon,

            With sensible politicians on all sides, Africa is blessed with so much natural wealth, let alone itself it can provide for others.

            While at it, enjoy some of the works by Chief Engineer Wedi Afom
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaLtglnXTBQ

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            AOsman
            I watched the whole documentary.
            I believe it is about water conservation and distribution. Chief engineer Isu is creating miracles 🙂
            What I observed is that the workers are utilizing/ applying their vocational education skills for a great cause. Vocational education for all!
            Most importantly , check out the beautiful lady’s name at 14:15. ኢትዮጵያ አስፋው. It must be the most popular name in Eritrea:)

          • A.Osman

            Selam Abi,

            It is not strange to see Ethiopia as a name. You should know we love Ethiopia, it is those who want to lord over others as a God given right and the warmongers that we don’t like.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kim,

            I agree. The Americans build the Niagra dam 1822, Ethiopia is building Abay 200 years later. I think, with all the knowledge in man power and technology, I think Ethiopian engineers are capable of building the dam even if it’s never done before.

            And if they never tried, they will never learn. Every body learns by mistake…it may be costly but well worth it. If money was the only consideration, I don’t think Ethiopian would have Ethiopian Airlines by now.

            This will wake up other countries to do the same. May be Ethiopians can build dam for the other African countries.

            Berhe

          • A.Osman

            Selam Kim,

            I met an Ethiopian engineer in Dubai around 2016. In our conversation he mentioned that good engineers were moving to Middle East for work. Their move was not driven by money but a level of despair with the corruption at the time…he mentioned an experience by a lady Engineer who supervised works by Indian contractor but could not perform her role properly as the contractor would get approval by someone in higher position.

            Visiting Addis a year or so later, I was not impressed by the quality of concrete finish on the road bridges that I saw. In the coming 20 years you will have much maintenance liability that will needs addressing. In Africa we are way behind on asset management and I expect the infrastructure system to be left to decay….The tram infrastructure looked much better in quality.

            As for Gerd, such projects are usually procured using international consultants and contractors. I cannot imagine the government using a local player as the main contractor. But in their term, they may require the international contractor to engage local contractors and even expect to build local know how and capacity. Salini Costruttori SpA may be the contractor engaged as I have read about their engagement in hydropower projects in Ethiopia in a paper about the rehabilitation of Gibe bridge.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            ይህ ግዙፍ ግድብ መማሪያ ይሁን ነው የምትለው? ከእናቶቻችን መቀነት ተፈትቶ የተሰበሰበ ገንዘብ እኮ ነው የፈሰሰበት::
            መቼም ጉድ ሳይሰማ ይህ ግድብ ከፍፃሜ አይደርስም!

            መኪና አሽከርክሮ ለማያውቅ ሰው ስልሳ ሰው ያሳፈረ አውቶቡስ እንዲያሽከረክር ትፈቅድለታለህ?
            እኔ አውቶቡሱን እንዲያጥብ እንኳ አልፈቅድለትም::

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,

            Ras Abi, you skillfully exaggerated what I said. In my defense, I wish you listen to the speech H.Selassie and Meles made in their time on the subject. O.K, o.k, I will not press you to listen to Meles but listen to H.S.

            Type: (Gonder YouTube.) Then open “Ethiopian leaders Meles and Haile Selassie about Nile”

            You remember, Mubarak was in China closing the final possible door when he heard the wind of a Dam on the Nile.
            It takes courage and choosing the perfect time to start a mission impossible project. You know what, they are filling the Dam as we speak, TODAY. Hallelujah, keep your fingers crossed.

            By the way, I am confused about your ZEMECHA on Assab. What happened to the wall. I haven’t joined you yet, waiting for clarification before I start preparing the SENQ for the long hot journey. Are you sure it is worth it.

            Mr. K.H

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Kim,

            Abiy he doesn’t think with his head but with tommy. As long as his tommy is full of bred, the rest doesn’t matter.

            1) He hated IA, than any person on earth. Now he is so much in love with him:). IA who apparently pull out gold from Ethiopians teeth, stole their money and property and deported them.

            Meles had long interview on this topic.

            2) When Ethiopia under Melles spent billions of dollars to the port of Djibouti, as well as building rail / road to, I asked him, why can’t find Ethiopia a solution for the boarder and make the relationship normal so it can use Eritrea’s port.

            He told me, keep your ports and use them to drinking water to your camels. And since when do you care about Ethiopia spending dollars.

            Here is what I think he is dreaming about.

            IA/ PFDJ to fight it out with TPLF and make them both weak and destroy each other so Ethiopia under Abiy to claim what ever it needs.

            That’s why now, he is so much in love with IA because he will do the dirty job for him and in the process he will destroy Eritrea.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            I’m just taking my property back.
            You welcome.

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Where you born during the H. Selase or H. Mariam. You would have been a better advisor than Kasa Kebede or Shaleqa Dawit.

          • Desbele

            ሰላም በርሀ፣
            ከም በዓል ታምራት ‘ሰገራ’ ፡ ምስጋና ንድኽምቲ ኤርትራ ዝሰርሕ ዘሎ ውልቀ መላኪ ኢሳያስ እዩ ዘቅርብ ዘሎ

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            There is no ስንቅ necessary. We are going home.

          • Hashela

            Selam Hanna

            Regarding ስንቅ , I recommend ኮሮሾ ( sun dried injera) with a shot of whiskey to sooth the pain of the foreseeable defeat.
            It will be a funny scene: Abi and friends being chase by an elderly Eritrean Afar lady just 5 km east of Bure.

          • Saleh Johar

            Kim Hanna,
            Do you take Abi seriously? You are repeating my mistake. It took me a while to know that he gets a kick out of infuriating some inflammable persons. First he started it as a payback for those who were badmouthing Ethiopians (even weyane) then their decibel subsided and he inherited all of it. Maybe he found it satisfying but now he is addicted to annoying all of us. And what do you with an addict? You should just smile like I do 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            I read his Amharic jabs at whoever and I cannot help but smile. He is an equal opportunity offender.
            I also think he has that capacity to go to the core of the subject matter quickly without going around the bushes.

            I sometimes read his interaction with you. Sometimes he is critical about the job, the warden, is doing.
            On balance he is great for the comment section. I always seek his posts, even when I disagree with him.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            You are absolutely right. It is to show the clueless few how much it hurt when they deliberately try to elevate our tormentors.
            -The no nonsense Getachew Assefa
            – the ungrateful lots
            The visionary leader
            The decisive mengistu

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi,
            I totally understand it but sometime you use cannons when a bullet can do. Be easy on us.

          • Lebam

            Selam Salah,

            There is no reason for Abi to go easy on anyone, but I guess you’re being sarcastic. If he really is an Amhara, he is giving them a bad reputation and causing even more mistrust between Eritreans and Ethiopians.

          • Nitricc

            . If he really is an Amhara, he is giving them a bad reputation and causing even more mistrust between Eritreans and Ethiopians.

            La-Bum; really? You are giving a bad name to Eritrea and Eritreans by siding with criminal TPLF thugs. When TPLF thugs read pathetic sympathy of their crime, you are encouraging them to commit more crime on Eritrea and Eritreans. I can’t believe you have the nerve to talk about Amara. look at your self at the next mirror. Eritreans were killed, expelled, rapped and dehumanized because your Tigryans didn’t like the color of the Eritreans eye. That is the truth and that what exactly you are supporting them for.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            The gutsy visionary had challenged the Egyptians and left it where it is now, almost finished. No one from his predecessors had the wild dream to think about it. Now the Ethiopian elites must take lessons from his visions and determination how to use their god given natural water resources. Stay with your sanity my friend. All the outcry is simply bluffing,

            Regards

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            For your information, the selection of the location and design was completed during the King time.
            Get your facts straight.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abiy,

            Can you share your info with the forumers – sources of any documents to validate your claim?

          • Samuel

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            Sorry to say this but he will never provide you an evidence because there isn’t one.

            I know your post is asking him evidence, Let me add this it may have relevance —

            For those groups and individuals bragging is a way of life, it’s culturally embedded (few elites). Telling “Truth” will be against their own existence and interest. Everything what has been narrated about themselves is based on other people’s achievements instead of making their own. Thus, if they start admitting one falsehood, It could trigger a domino effect. They have to continue blaming and claiming strategy until they are exposed badly, that will happen soon. Don’t forget the mother of all lies “Kibre Negest”.

            By the way, I don’t mean to change the subject but the Adwa victory was similar to GERD, those who fought for real are not remembered well, the same story is happening with GERD. The good thing is, GERD has its own department of documentation, thus there is no room to cheat anymore.

            Two years ago they were campaigning against the dam, today they assumed Abiy is their own, thus they are running to claim the credit as if they contributed a penny. What do you call someone who takes credit for others work? plagiarist?

            Thanks,

          • A.Osman

            Abi,

            From memory Britain gave Italy a green light to colonise Ethiopia with the agreement that they don’t build a dam on the Nile or restricting them on the use of Lake Tana. The idea of the dam is indeed old, the King being a close ally of the British is unlikely to have contemplated building it as they had major interest in Egypt. Ready to learn Ras Abi. I will share the Anglo Italian agreement if I can find it.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            AOsman
            If I remember correctly, the King was dealing with the Americans on the dam.
            Since You are the a breathing archive you might find the agreement between the King and the Americans.
            የቐንየለይ.

          • A.Osman

            Abi
            You are correct, the Americans started to be involved at the time.
            https://www.jstor.org/stable/218231?seq=1

            There is an interesting parliamentary record that you may want to check too about gentlemen’s agreement between Britain and Italy:

            In the fifth Annex, which concerns Lake Tsana, the Italian Government confirm the assurance which they have previously given to us, that they were fully conscious of their obligations towards the Government of the United Kingdom in the matter of Lake Tsana, and that they had no intention whatever of overlooking or repudiating them.

            https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1938/may/02/anglo-italian-agreement-1#column_541

            World War II changed everything……otherwise Ethiopia would have been an Italian colony.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba A.Osman,

            Though I can not open the first link, the second link is invaluable document for me. Thank you brother. I don’t think Abiy has any document to validate his claim.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            relax a bit.
            ኢትዮጵያ
            በወያኔ ዋዜማ ነበረች
            በወያኔ መባቻም ኖራለች
            ከወያኔ ማግስትም ትኖራለች

            እርስዎ ብቻ መረጋጋት አይለይዎት

          • A.Osman

            Selam Amanuel,

            Haile Sellasie contributed 10million dollars towards a study around 1960 as a reaction to Egypt’s action during the construction of Aswan Dam…..a preliminary design could have been developed at the time.

            https://origins.osu.edu/article/who-owns-nile-egypt-sudan-and-ethiopia-s-history-changing-dam

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Samuel

            Selam A.Osman,
            It is true that a survey was conducted during HS along the Nile river, but the current site and design wasn’t done at that time, if there is one, the site and design must be different from current location. Note that another survey has been conducted in 2009 and 2010.

            The location could have been part of the larger study however the current site wasn’t selected then. Ambassador Seyoum Mesfin has discussed in detail about the selection of the particular site and why it was selected 30 KM away from the Sudan boarder. I can share the video if it is needed.

            The design is completely brand new, remember that the size of the dam is to generate over 6,000 MW, thus to assume the same design was completed in 1960’s is stretching the truth (not for you). Until we get government based doc, based on Wikipedia — In November 2010, a design for the dam was submitted by James Kelston.

            FYI, those who who are calling MZ different names, they were blaming him for constructing the Dam closer to the Sudan border. It’s ironic how things get reversed.

            Don’t get me wrong, I am very proud of the dam, myself and my family have contributed what we can, we will do everything in the future, I am completely behind this dam until the end goal is achieved. My argument is with those who are trying to steal credit like what they did in Adwa.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            There were three locations candidates for the construction of the dam during the King’s time. The current location was named ድንበር as it is closer to the boarder.
            Thanks again for your contributions for building the dam.
            Now it is time to collect your belongings and leave Tigray and Ethiopia alone. Just disappear from the face of the earth. You have looted more than you contributed.

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            You already collected your belongings and left the country in 1991, thus you are not entitled to talk about the country you already left.

            I am assuming you haven’t visited the country for over 29 years, thus you should Bow to the TRUE owners of the country and request permission to get a pass.

            Always remember this — The era of taking credit for others work is over.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            You had extended stay in Addis. Now that you left with your ቆራጣ ጭራ stuck between your legs, continue your journey all the way to dedebit.
            Don’t make your stay at mekele longer than necessary.

            Don’t forget the era of looting and nepotism is over. በላብህ: በጉልበትህ ጥረህ ግረህ ብላ::

          • Desbele

            Selam Samuel,
            “Always remember this — The era of taking credit for others work is over.”
            ሃጫሉ እንዳለው ከሰረቀው ፈረስ ወርዶ ወደ ኣህያው መመለስ ኣለበት።

          • Abi

            Desbele
            ከቦሌ ቪላ ተባረህ እንደ በግ ወደ ስደተኛ ጣቢያ እንደታጎርከው መሆኑ ነው?
            ሳሙኤልም ሃጫሉ አባሮት እንደጊንጥ ድንጋይ ስር ተደብቋል::

            “ግም ለግም ተያይዘህ አዝግም”

          • Desbele

            Abi,
            መተተኛ ደብተራ። ኣባ ገዳ እየመጣልህ ነው። የሰረቅከውን ፈረስ በእርግጠኝነት ትመልሳለህ። ኣህያውንም የምታገኘው ኣይመስለኝም። ኣጎዛህን ለብሰህ ወደ ልመናህ!

          • Abi

            Desbele
            ይህ እረስተኸው የኖርከው ቁልቋል እንደገና ስትጀምረው አንጎልህንም ቂጥህንም አንድ ላይ አድርቆብህ ነፍስ ግቢ ነፍስ ውጪ ጭንቅ ላይ ነህ::

          • Samuel

            Selam Desbele,
            I agree, መጀመርያ ታሪክ ሰረቁ፤ ከዛ ፈረስ ሰረቁ፤ ከዛ ኣድዋ ድል ሰረቁ፤ ኣሁን ደግሞ GERD ሊሰርቁ ሲሉ ተያዙ።

            The era of taking credit for others work is over!!

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            አድዋ የእምዬ የሚኒልክ ገድል ነው:: እንዲህ አይነት ሃላፊነት ለእናንተ አይተውም:: አገር መሸጥ ነው ልምዳችሁ::
            GERD የዓፄ ኃይለስላሴ ጥንስስ ነው
            Now that is what I call Visionary!!!!
            You tried to steal his credit. I told you before, this website is blessed with resourceful people that you can’t cheat. እጅ ከፍንጅ ተይዘሃል::
            አሁን ቶሎ አምልጥ I mean ፈርጥጥ::

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            It looks like Herr Doktor Professor Engineer Sleshi lied through his teeth when he said the Dam has started filling up. Abiy buckled under pressure when Egypt demanded immediate clarification. EBC, Fana and Walta had to apologise for misleading the public with wrong information when they said the Satellite image was actually rain filling up the Dam instead. ኣይይይ! Bunch of clowns!

          • Samuel

            Selam Paulos,
            Good to see you back, after your last post (about the Mars-Earth-Moon brightness related) your message was a little different.

            I have friends in Addis Ababa, the last few weeks I was talking to them frequently, I asked them the sentiment of public about Abiy and his handling of the situation in general. People are fed-up by the security situation and the mixed messages of the administration. They release one story in the morning, and then they release another message contrary to the first one in the evening.

            I have heard the same thing, EBC apologized for misleading the public. It’s good that they said sorry, but they should be honest with the public about the GERD matter.

            Thanks,

          • Paulos

            Selam Samuel,

            I guess I needed a break. It was all ኮልለ where we had to say the same thing over and over again. I guess I get it now why a lot of people do not come back.

            I am following the election in Tigrai in earnest for it is the making of history in every sense of the word. We have an old deranged man in Eritrea who says, “What elections?” And your people are saying, “No taxation with no representation.” America as you know was founded on the later when people are sovereign. All the best!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Doterre,
            Always use this program at the end, to save you from ሰብ ሸንኮለል
            break
            print “Good bye!”

          • Abi

            Paul
            I see you are warming up to cover the evening shift. Samiti handled his shift very well with a little help from Emma clapping on the side.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ኣቢ
            ነዛ ገዛ ‘ኳ ኴንካያ
            ሕማም-ተላጋቢ
            ዕድመኻ ይውስኽ
            ሓንጎል ግን
            ደው ኢሉ ከይዓቢ
            ጽሑፋትካ ኩሉ
            ምንጪ ናይ ናዕቢ
            በጃኻ ኢለካ ሰሰናዩ ሕሰብ
            ተጎልበብ
            ናይ ረዘንቲ ጋቢ
            ድገመው!

          • Abi

            MM

            ነዛ ገዛ ‘ኳ ኬንካያ
            ሕማም-ተላጋቢ
            ዕድመኻ ይውስኽ
            ሓንጎል ግን
            ደው ኢሉ ከይዓቢ
            ጵሑፋትካ ናይ ናዕቢ
            በጃኻ ኢለካ ሰሰናዩ ሕሰብ
            ተጎልበብ
            ናይ ረዘንቲ ጋቢ
            ደገምኩት!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi
            ፊኖ መሲሉዋ ክትስንክት ሕምባሻ
            ‘ንታይ ደኣ ጨና ተቐይሩ በለት ብገርሃ
            ‘ዛ ብጸይተይ
            ለካ ፊኖ ‘ኮነን
            ልክዕ
            ከም ሰላም ‘ናበለ ውግእ ዝእውጅ
            መኮነን

            ከም ኣቢ
            ኣስናኑ ገይጹ
            ብትሪኮላታ ዝሓበኣ ልቢ
            መደመር ‘ናበለት ትዝንቢ
            ንግሩህ መዓር
            ንለባም ግን ገንቢ
            ሓርገጽ ‘ንከሎ
            ዝመስል ንህቢ
            ክንዲ ጻጸ ‘ንከሎ
            ክመስል ከም ሓርማዝ ዓቢ
            መስታህብል! ይብል ነበረ
            ዓርከይ ዑስማን ኣል-ዓረቢ
            ምስረኸበ
            መስታህበላት ከም በዓል ኣቢ

            ጠጅ ቦታ ንቀይር!

          • Abi

            MM
            ይህንንም ልድገመው?
            እባክህ ትርጉሙን ተቸረኝ

          • Hashela

            Abi

            ትግርኛ ተዛረብ ክትድረር!!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            What is MM saying?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            You can translate this one for Abi as well:).

            https://m.facebook.com/groups/231983590308383/permalink/1634180963421965/

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            this is funny, thanks for the laugh!
            I suspects that Abi is fluent in Tigrina.
            He always addresses you with በርሄ ሓውና። ከም ናይ ወዱ ሹቕ “ኮፎ ሌኩም” እንተደይኮይና።

          • Hashela

            Selma Berhe
            Thanks for the laugh! At least he made sure to translate it in Tigrina so that we don’t get lost in his highly sophisticated Amarina.

            I suspect that Abi is fluent in Tigrina.
            He always addresses you with በርሄ ሓውና! ከም ናይ ወዲ ሹቕ “ኮፎ ሌኩም” ጥራሕ እንደይ ኮይና።

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Hardly! But you know, this Forum is magnetic where it feels like once you’re in you’re in for a long haul till you find the key for the exit.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I’ve tried it before without success.
            ዞሮ ዞሮ ከቤት ነው ነገሩ

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Here may be for the interest of everyone.

            REMINDER!!!
            Do not miss out on the Virtual dialogue on the current issues with regard to the Great Ethiopian Renaissance Dam, Held to take place on Saturday, July 18th, 2020 @ 10:00 a.m.(Eastern time).

            We will be joined by H.E Minister of Foreign Affairs Gedu Andargachew and Technical Teams from Ethiopia.

            http://ethioembassycanada.org/

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            የቐንየለይ

          • Selam Abi,

            Days ago the PMAA had said that it is not up to us to fill or not to fill the dam. It depends on the way it is constructed. I personally did not understand him. Now, i can see what he meant.
            The dam has reached a height of 560m from 525m. When the height of the water behind the dam reaches the 560m mark, it overflows and continues its course.
            At this moment, water enters the dam at the rate of 4400 cubic meters per second and escapes through the gate at the rate of 1700 cubic meters, and the difference 2700 cubic meters remain behind the dam, whether ethiopia or egypt wants it or not.
            That is why there is this playing with words, that we have not opened or closed anything to divert the water. It all depends on the construction of the dam and takes place by itself.
            Next year the dam will be at a different height, and the same phenomenon will happen again. That is why it is said that construction and filling will take place simultaneously. That is how i understand the whole issue. Whatever is said to accuse those who handle the case, it is not really important.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            I’m already designing the next dam further up 🙂
            Don’t listen to the weyane mouthpieces who are looking for leftover crumbs from their handlers.
            As Eritreans say, ግመሉ ጉዞውን ቀጥሏል ውሾቹም ጩኸታቸውን አላቋረጡም::
            Let me put it Abi’s style;
            ያረጁት ውሾች ማላዘናቸውን ባያቋርጡም ግመሉ ግስጋሴውን በልበሙሉነት ቀጥሏል!!!

            “አባይ አባይ አባይ አባይ
            የአገር አድባር የአገር ሲሳይ”

            “አባይ ቢሞላ ቢሞላ
            አለው መላ መላ”

            “አባይ ሞልቶ ጣና ሞልቶ እሳት ይዞረዋል
            ይጠፋታል እንጂ መች ይሻገረዋል!”

            እንደው በጠዋቱ ዝፈን ዝፈን ፎክር ፎክር ያሰኘኛል አንተዬ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Samuel,

            You are right. According Wikipedia: “The Ethiopian Government surveyed the site in October 2009 and August 2010. In November 2010, a design for the dam …
            Dam volume: 10,200,000 m3 (13,300,000 cu yd). Construction cost: $4.8 billion USD.Location: Benishangul-Gumuz Region
            Construction began: April 2011”. Could you pls share the video with us.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Dam volume is 70 Bl cu m
            Dam area is 725 sq ml
            Where do you get your number? Adi Halo?
            Do you believe from inception to beginning of construction of a dam of this magnitude takes only 2-3 years in a developing country?

            Check how long it takes to build a one mile road where you live?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi,

            I gave you the reference you go to : And that is Wikipedia. Don’t request for a spoon feed. I gave you what you need. Second, the two years in the report do indicate the survey and design it took. It is not the construction period. Construction began in 2011. Improve your reading and your comprehension. That is why you accuse people with something you haven’t read in their comment. After all you took it as a habit. In the future, don’t accuse with quoting me, for the matter to any body.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            I said from inception to beginning of construction…
            You failed to read carefully.
            I tell you Ato Amanuel, I’m one friend of yours who reads between the lines. I miss nothing!
            Anyway, I gave you the right measurements since you have shown interest to learn more about the dam.
            ገንዘብካ

          • Samuel

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            The main part of the design and selection of the site is in this video, I have shared more video above:-

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1V4LlVPxww

            Thanks,

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Samuel,

            Good addition as I don’t know much about the inception of the dam. It is weekend, sharing the link of the interview with pointer on the time when the particular issue is discussed will be good.

            AOsman

          • Samuel

            Selam A.Osman,
            Sorry for the delay, I had to listen many videos to find the part. The headline of the video is different from the content inside it. If you don’t have time start from 5th min, At the 15th minute you will hear interesting stuff.

            Here is the video, you can start from 5th min:-
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1V4LlVPxww

            More about the dam politics:-
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOPhoQeJib4

            More about the general politics of the dam and Abiy admin:-
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFWyIOy0Zrg

            Thanks,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam A.Osman,

            Thank you again, brother.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            “The GERD site is the most downstream of the hydropower sites under construction within Ethiopia. The eventual site for the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam was identified by the United States Bureau of Reclamation during a Blue Nile survey conducted between 1956 and 1964 (United States Bureau of Reclamation (USBR), 1964). “
            (Journal of Hydrology: Regional studies. Volume 16, April 2018).
            I can’t be sure about the link if you will be able to open it.
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/
            I don’t think that any more information is needed on this.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            You can’t teach an old dog a new trick ይላሉ ፈረንጆች.

          • Selam Abi,
            A complete study of all possible sites in the blue nile gorge and its tributaries where dams could be constructed and the ground on which these dams would stand were studied by the Americans for about eight years (1956-1964). Egypt’s aim at the present is to block the construction of more dams on the blue nile, because she knows that the gerd is a done deal and there is nothing she can do about it. Her other nightmare is the message other riparian countries will receive from ethiopia’s success.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            What is funny is that the former mass mobilizers and current Tplf operatives are telling us that it took only three years from inception to beginning of construction of GERD.
            Of course, according to them, Ethiopians don’t know anything about their country.
            In one of the links AOsman generously provided for the less initiated, you can find how Egypt organized the Eritrean and Somali Muslims against Ethiopians.
            Now, I expect all other riparian countries follow Ethiopian lead . If I remember correctly Tanzania or Uganda has already started construction of a dam .
            (I have to check on this one)

          • Abi

            Horizon
            It is a little bit too late for Egypt. A Chinese company has submitted an application to Ugandan authorities to build a dam that potentially produce 850 MW electricity on the Blue Nile. I hope all the riparian countries follow Ethiopia and Uganda.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abi,

            “ Ugandan authorities to build a dam that potentially produce 850 MW electricity on the Blue Nile? Really? Why not on their own white Nile”? You see how misinformed person you are. Misinformation is the source of your lying. Work on it.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Thanks for the correction. I’m in love with Blue Nile. I meant to say White Nile.
            There is a difference between lying and making a mistake.
            What is really important here is, Uganda is in the process of building a dam which gives Egypt a nightmare.
            The other important thing is you figured out that I’m a misinformed person. I tell you Ato Amanuel, it takes a genius to figure this one out.
            This brings us to the third important point. You are a very informed person who preferred to suffer from COVID-19 than to talk to a less informed person.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear all , Amuni and also Abi

            Watch this video now..I am sure you will enjoy it..And by the way I donot think this Nile project will finalized under such temporary government and we should change this group by any means..

            የአባይን መነሻ ፍለጋ ከቱሪስት አይን ወደ ሰከላ በዉቢቷ ባህር ዳር ከተማ ከቅዳሜ ከሰዓት..

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gTb1mTSSrI

            Thanks all,

            KS,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            አንተና መሰሎችህ የወያኔ ስርሮች ስታለቅሱ ትኖራላችሁ እንጂ ግድቡ በቅርቡ አገልግሎት ላይ ይውላል::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nice Abo,

            Let us see, in near future. If this government will start to organize in proper way, then what you are saying will be materialized…. If not, then the crime had reached its end of no more returning back …Let us see what will the end of the game…

            Don’t forget you are challenging me…

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abi,

            Can you show us where I say “Ethiopia came to existence in 1991”? I think You are sick of obsessive compulsive laying. I told you that you are lying on everything and every time you write about people. The good thing is no body consider you as a serious person. ያንተ ነገር ብሓሶት ጉራና ሰውን በቀለም መቅባት እንደ ስራ ወሰድኩዎ:: ያሳዝናል::

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            According to your writings, Ethiopia has already died after Tplf packed their belongings. According to you, Ethiopia only existed between 1991-2018.
            ኢትዮጵያ ነበረችም አለችም ትኖራለችም

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon,

            Can you link the actual journal and specific article title? Thanks

          • Hashela

            Haile

            here is the full inform about the paper

            Journal of Hydrology

            Title: Evaluation of multi-storage hydro-power development in the upper Blue Nile River (Ethiopia): regional perspective

            Authors: Asegdew G.Mulata, Semu A.Mogesb Mamaru A.Moges

            Volume 16, April 2018, Pages 1-14

            https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ejrh.2018.02.006.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            Thank you! Got the PDF!

          • Hashela

            Haile

            the title of the paper of interest is :

            “United States Bureau of Reclamation (USBR), 1964. Land and Water Resources of the Blue Nile Basin, ” Main Report. United States Department of Interior Bureau of
            Reclamation, Washington, DC, USA.”

          • Selam Haile S.,

            As much as the topic we were discussing is concerned, all it says is the part i brought in my comment. The rest is about technical issues, and about other dams of the region.
            If you google:
            Journal of Hydrology: Regional studies. Volume 16, April 2018)
            Or
            Evaluation of multi-storage hydropower development in the upper Blue Nile River (Ethiopia): regional perspective. Asegdew G. Mulat, et al.
            May be you will find the article.
            The internet link doesn’t seem to help much.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            Below is a link that works:

            https://doi.org/10.1016/j.e….

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon,

            I got it through Hashela who gave the same detail as you just did now. What you quoted as “Renaissance Dam was identified by the United States Bureau of Reclamation during a Blue Nile survey conducted between 1956” is correct. Thanks

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile and Horizon

            I took the text from Block et al (2007): “IFPRI Discussion Paper 00700. Integrated Management of the Blue Nile Basin in Ethiopia Hydropower and Irrigation Modeling”

            http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=9163263A0584085D83133A905FC1738B?doi=10.1.1.733.1956&rep=rep1&type=pdf

            According this paper, a lot of planning works were done by United States Bureau of Reclamation (USBR).

            “In 1964, the USBR, upon invitation by the Ethiopian government, performed a thorough investigation and study of the hydrology of the upper Blue Nile basin. This was during the time of construction of the Aswan High Dam in Egypt (1960-1970). Included in the USBR’s study was an optimistic list of potential projects within Ethiopia, including preliminary designs of dams for irrigation and hydroelectric power along the Blue Nile and Atbara Rivers. The four major hydroelectric dams along the Blue Nile, as proposed by the USBR, are presented in Figure 2.

            The Karadobi Dam and reservoir would be located just upstream of the Guder River confluence, approximately 385 km downstream of Lake Tana, and would be responsible for controlling a draining area of nearly 60,300 square kilometers. The Mabil Dam would sit 145 km further downstream, 25 km downstream of the confluence with the Birr River. The Mendaia and Border Dams would be constructed about 175 km and 21 km upstream of the Sudano-Ethiopian border, respectively. Further dam details and characteristics are provided in Tables 1 and 2 (Bureau of Reclamation 1964). Figure 3 illustrates the designations for heights and heads from Table 1.

            Designations for dam heights and heads Operating in tandem, these four dams would impound a total of 73.1 billion cubic meters, which is equivalent to approximately 1.5 times the average annual runoff in the basin. The total installed capacity at design head would be 5570 megawatts (MW) of power, about 2.5 times the potential of the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, and capable of providing electricity to millions of homes. This would be an impressive upgrade over the existing 529 MW of hydroelectric power within Ethiopia as of 2001 (Thomson Gale 2006).”

            Preliminary plans suggested dam construction from upstream to downstream, beginning with Karadobi and finishing with Border. More recent schemes, however, have altered the construction order to be: Karadobi, Border, Mabil, and finally Mendaia (Harshadeep 2006). This new plan attempts to capture flows leaving the country earlier in the construction timeline to take advantage of hydroelectric potential. Models and evaluations in this study incorporate the revised order.”

          • Haile S.

            Selam hashela,

            Thank you for all the explanation. Meaning what Ras Abi said ድንበር Dam was correct. May be he is one of the authors of the article in question 🙂 :-).

          • Abi

            መምህር
            I love you!

          • Hashela

            Haile

            Ras Abi is too royal to do meaningful works!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Ras Abi loves you too!

          • Abi

            ሃይሌ ሃሸላ ሆራይዘን
            There were two more sites selected at the same time. One day they will be reality.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!???
            You will be responsible if the Tplf activists in this forum suffered heart attacks.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            For good reason I was elated yesterday with joy that a historic accomplishment by Ethiopia to get the dam to where it is. I give the major credit to Meles for boldly choosing the time and assembling the Ethiopian Engineers and staff and mobilizing the country for the task.
            I also give credit for H.S to get the study done, as he said step by step, to enable the future generation to accomplish it. I applaud Chief Project Manager and Engineer Simegnew Bekele for his contribution, God bless his soul.

            I know politics being what it is, distracts and dilutes the conversation. However, I think every Ethiopian regardless should feel proud. We did climb this major, construction, diplomatic, financial mountain by ourselves. There were/are threats and several blocks on the way that didn’t succeed. God bless the planners and all those who moved the rocks, cement, iron bars in place so that their job is visible from the heavens.

            Mr. K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            I 2nd Mr. K.H..”I don’t know what happened to all those good patriotic good people who worked day and night to get it started and helped to where it is today. ”

            See, don’t blame us as supporters TPLF..We only see the job done and take an inventory of the the quality of the group for final job, and as you can see the government of Ethiopia had given the chance to Egypt as you are witnessing it..No solution is coming recently I think..the Nile case is useless case with this government of Ethiopia…

            The main part is Tana is sick by Emboch and they should start to solve it first..and then go for negotiation for the great Nile . It is possible also to let Sudan and Egypt come to help the project completion and go smoothly to last stage .

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ውስጥህ ሰላም ነው ወይ ጠረጠረ ሆዴ
            ስምህ የሰላም ነው ኮኮቤ ዘመዴ
            ግብርህ አስቸጋሪ አይያዝ በዘዴ
            ግራ አጋባኸኝ ጠላቴ ነህ ጏዴ?

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ኣስመላሽ ክኹሪ ጀሚሩ
    ባዛዕባኡ ዝነበረ ጽሑፍ ናብ ካልእ ተቐይሩ
    ካብ ዛዕባ ወጺኹም ኢሉ ተቐይሙ
    ወረ መዓስ ኢኹም ትልብሙ
    ይብለና ‘ሎ

    • Ismail AA

      ሰላም መሃንድስ፣

      እንገራ’ዝጊ ብላዕ። ኩሉ ግዜ ጸሓፍቲ ግዜኦም ሰዊኦም ቁምነገር ሓዘል ዛዕባታት ድሕሪ ምቅራቦም ገለ ሰባት ኣዝጊቦም ጸኒሖም ጓል ነገር ጻሕቲሮም ንተሳተፍቲ ኣብ ምስ ወሪዱ ዘሎ ጉዳይ ርክብ ዘይብሎም ከም ዝህውትቱ ይገብሩዎም። ኣብ ውሪዱ ዘሎ ዛዕባ ኣትኪኮም ዝጥቀዑ ጽሑፋት ሓደ ሲሶ አይከውንን። ኣመሓድርቲ ናይ’ዚ መድርኽ ፍታሕ ክረኽብሉ አይከኣሉን። ክገርመካ ዲቅ ዝበለ ክትዕ እንዳተካየደ ብዛዕባ ኩዑሶ እግሪ ይዕለል። ንቶም ግዜ ወሲዶም፥ምናልባት’ውን ንሰሙናት ዝጸዓሩኡ ጽሑፍ፥ ቆላሕታ ከም ዘይረኸበ ኮይኑ ክስምዖም ይክእል።

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ሰላማት Ismail AA
        ኣማን ብ ኣማን!
        ይቕሬታ: ሓደ ሓደ ግዜስ ኣነውን ካብቶም ጓል-መገዲ ከፊቶም ናብ ካልእ ዘህትፉ ‘የ።
        ኣብ ልብና የሕድሮ!

      • Brhan

        Merhaba Ustaz
        Sometimes I comfort myself by saying ንዘረባ ዘረባ ኣመጸኦ but many times it is abused. I even got in trouble for raising this issue. May be I was not able to phrase it properly. There are two soltuions for this either silcon vallley will produce a soft ware that blocks unrealted comments to the subject or commentators will learn by reading you, MM and others who share this concern. The third option: the moderator to control it will be tiresome.
        مع السلامة

    • Brhan

      ናይ ቀደም ዓርኪ.

      ክልተ ግን ሓደ
      ዝበለና ዘይወሓደ

      መን ‘ዩ ዕርክነትና ዝሓሰደ
      ባህርያትና ክንፈጉ ዝገደደ
      መንፈስ ዘሰንበደ

      ሃመይ ብኣኻ እናዛየደ ከደ
      ተኽሊና ሱር ስለዝሰደደ
      ድኽዒ ተሞክሮና እናሶገደ
      ጠጠዕ ጉንዱ ሮገደ

      ተመለሱ ኢሉ ኩሉ ካብ ፈረደ
      ተፈጥሮና ከይካሓደ
      ኣነስ እነሆ ኢደይ ሰዲደ
      እንታይ ኢዩ ናትካ ግደ?

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ካብ ሊበራል በይ-ኤርያ

    ክገርመኩም
    ዲቕ ዝበለ ውራይ
    ይገብረልኩም

    ክባርኾ ድያቆን ጸውዑ
    ምስ በልኩ
    መታን ብጥሜት ከይሞቱ ቆልዑ
    ብኣጋ ክበልዑ
    ምድንጓይ ናይ ነገር ተዋህዶ

    ተረኣኹስ ኣብዪ
    ሓቂ ዘይኮነ ፍሽኽታ ኣሰንዩ
    ደበኽ ኣይብልን

    ኣብዪ ደኣ ‘ንታይ ክባርኽ
    ቁሩብ ዝተረፎ ምስ ሸይጣን ክዓርኽ

    ባዕለይ ባረኽኩዎ
    ኣሜን ኢሉ
    ነዚ መግቢ ዕዱማት በልዕዎ
    ኢድካ ዘቖርጥም! መግቢ በዓልቲ ቤተይ

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Awatistas,

    I watched few minutes ago Trump on television what the U.S is doing in combating Covid 19. The record high cases showing up in Texas and Florida is the result of the great job he is doing.
    The mind bending explanation and logic gave me a migraine headache and decided to turn the TV off and visit Awate for a little familiar reprieve.

    I read from notable Awatistas (not the fringe) that:

    1) Eritrea was tossed out by TPLF against their wishes.

    2) Eritreans are working to re-unite with Ethiopia and TPLF is standing on their way.

    3) PIA is an avowed Ethiopianist who wants nothing less than keeping Ethiopia united and intact, perhaps he himself becoming the head master, at the end of it all.

    4) All Eritrean’s problems are Ethiopia’s fault.

    5) My good friend, Ras Abi’s solution is a big wall to keep the peace of the two people.

    I think the whole world has gone crazy. There is no outlandish speculation that is beyond reason anymore. The painful twisted logic being deployed is perhaps the consequence of lack of clean information.
    My grand parents believed such a time will come around the coming of the …SIMENTEGNAW SHI. (end of the world)
    I better quit here and watch the 2nd half of the Manchester United and Southampton soccer game.

    Mr. K.H

    • Abi

      Mr Kim
      A very disappointing game for a Man U fan. I need more Guinness!

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Abi,

        Yes it was, the game is not over till it is over. However, disappointment to me is Arsenal period. I liked them since Patrick Viera and Henry T., ever since that time I have been disappointed, at almost every game.

        Mr. K.H

        • Abi

          Mr Kim
          I don’t expect to see a player like Viera any more.
          Please find a documentary on the rivalry between Patrice Viera and Roy Kean.
          እግር ኳስ ድሮ ቀረ:)

    • Paulos

      Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

      Have you seen the 1963 sort of a parody and real comedy movie, “It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World”?

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Paulos,

        Yes, I have seen it a couple of times. The 1st time I saw it, Jonathan Winters my favorite, was so funny at every turn. A bunch of assorted people were going to reach a hidden treasure. Hook or crook each was determined to get there 1st.

        I think, I see where you are going.
        Nowadays, I see so many mad mad mad crazy ideas from educated and presumably intelligent people that the whole world appears to be at risk. Reality correction can be severe to a lot of average people.

        Mr. K. H

        • Paulos

          Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

          The same here. I have seen the movie a couple of times. It is really fun movie particularly the cinematography is stunning given the rudimentary technology back then. I agree with you when you said supposedly people with advanced degrees make absolutely idiotic comments about current events. I really don’t get it.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selss as may as to Kim:
      What you listed and lamented above is not just here and hypothetical issue but a viral one across the board and irrespective of the messages or practicality, the situation in both nation does not good but a gloomy one!
      -Dr AAA declared openly along with his Deputy, Dr Demeke Meconen,his determination to do everything at his disposal including a “Surgical Intervention”
      -The PFDJ is spreading its propaganda that the EDF is on the highest Alert send started complaining /talking about the delayed demarcation
      -The TPLF is conducting and extensive propaganda and alerting the Tigrai Youth to be ready for “The Mother of all Wars”!

      • mad mullah

        Hello Sultan,
        I am just surprised by somethings comments/dialogue that appear on Awate.
        I sometimes think there is generational gap in thinking. I think the days of border are over. Eritrea and Ethiopia in late 90’s just happen to be remnants.
        The border war wasn’t an issue about real demarcation but former guerrilla fighters reliving some their glory days.
        Those days are gone with generation that created it.
        Both countries Eritrea less so than Ethiopia have moved on.
        Ethiopia has been on development march not only building railways but the eight largest dam in world… just think about that for minute.
        To the 85 million Ethiopian people who are below the age of 40, it is a some what bright future….
        To a young Tigrayan.. Tigray is an integral part of Ethiopia…
        Yes… you still have people in their 70’s and 80’s dream of stuff from 1960’s and 1970’s… but those people are dying.
        There will be no war… if there is any talk it is a bunch of dinosaurs flexing some long past days…
        IA can’t afford a war it might be the end of his regime. Tigray/Ethiopia can’t afford a war as it heads on its developmental trajectory..
        I can’t see a PhD in conflict resolution and noble prize winner getting involved in border skirmish for some senior citizens…

        If there is talk about mother of all wars… it is most likely in the retirement community or homes or Tej bar where a senior citizen takes a couple of drinks and relishes some “revolutionary” past… 85% of people are just showing their some respect by listening but don’t take him seriously…

        • Paulos

          Selam Mad Mullah,

          Funny and brilliant! Thank you.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam mad mullah,

          Thanks for a great post.
          I hope you are right that the world is not getting mad but the generational change is distorting the perceptions. The young people will sort out things in their own interests in due time. They are the silent majority and the major stakeholders. The world is changing.

          You see, I am garbing on to any thing at this time of day.

          Thanks again.

          Mr. K.H

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Kim Hanna,

            MM said, “…I think the days of the border are over…” And that says it all for the border issue is Isaias’ issue and sadly he is beating almost everyone [Except Aya Saleh who understood the game long ago–I have never heard him obsessing about the border] in his own game. What does it even mean to say ወያኔ ከመሬታችን ትውጣ when thousands of Eritreans pass through the dusty town to make it to Ethiopia where they don’t even know if the town means anything for most of them weren’t even born when it became Isaias’ political card. It really is crazy world.

        • Kaddis

          Selam Mad mullah,

          Very refreshing post thank you.

          I take your logical pointers of no possibility of war due to many logical reasons …but there is nothing normal currently in our region:

          given the childish nature of AA, Isiais firm position hustling between gulf and the horn and the aggressive push of the neolibs on dismantling Eth state capitalism/ resemblance of the Chinese influence – a war – one way or another looks imminent.

          Ayargew

          • Paulos

            Selam Kaddis,

            The other day, on July 12 to be exact, I woke up around 3 in the morning to get water. And as it happened, through my window facing East, I could see the bright half moon hanging between the Heavens and Earth. What captivated me the most was not only the position and brightness of the half-moon but when I saw a big intense golden-bright star two-o’clock position or North-East to the half-moon. I knew it wasn’t an ordinary star but to make sure, I Googled the position and brightness of the star. And it said, “On July 12, Mars will be seen North-East to the Moon.”

            My heart jumped with excitement but with mixed feelings as well. Mars was right there commanding the entire night sky where no other stars were visible save the half-moon.

            There Earth, Moon and Mars were communicating with each other lest fly off but glued to each other through the force of gravity. One of them however, has more reason to stay put and make sure everything is done according to all the minute details given to her from the heavens–Earth. She has life to take care of. She has us to take care of in the otherwise delicately held balance. And us humans, we kill each other; we itch to go to war to kill one another. If we could only look up for once into the night sky–it changes everything, including our perspective in life in a profound way. Stay safe የኔ ወንድም!

          • Abi

            Paul
            A very interesting comment coming from an admirer of the no nonsense Getachew Asefa, the ever decisive Mengistu and the visionary leader Meles.
            ክፉ አይንካህ ወንድምዓለም!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You too የኔ ወንድም. Thank you.

          • David Samson

            Selam Kaddis,

            Since the blackout in media, it is extremely difficult to make any assessment on the current development in Ethiopia. Last week, The BBC tried to reach their man in Addis for two consecutive days, but to no avail. I do not even know how the diplomatic
            communities in Addis function without the internet.

            So far, the ABIY government is not less than equal to its predecessor. The Hailemariam government was known for media blackout and frequent internet interruptions. The reason was
            given: to maintain public order and stop intra-ethnic violence.

            Implemented anti-media legislation under the cover of national security.

            Jailed many political opponents under the pretext of inciting ethnic and political violence.

            ABIY has not let down his predecessors. In fact, If I were to take the “National Security Cover” to its extreme, it is not far-fetched to predict the return of “Ethiopia First”. Was it not Dergue used the same pretext? Have we not here before? What has changed
            then? It looks like people who were cheering Dergue because he maintained Ethiopian unity are reincarnated in a new life. It is called “Karma”.

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam KH,

      Given an underlying large infected population, more testing capability will help identify more of those infected with the Chinese virus. This will in turn help isolate and treat those identified as infected.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Simon Kaleab,

        I think you explained it better for me than he did. Maybe I am defensive with the attitude of New Yorkers with a chip on their shoulders on everything.
        You see how Trump likes WHO leader, Dr Tedros. It would have been delicious for Trump and Meles to debate on climate change.
        Fanti Ghana would have blown up like a balloon with pride about the sons of Tigray on the world stage.

        Mr. K.H

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Mr. K.H.,

          Hahaha. I am about to blow up by the thought of it alone!

          I can’t believe you let Simon, the Trampian, get away with “..those infected with the Chinese virus.”

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam KH,

          Trump likes to think aloud.

          Most of the time, he does not show/explain intermediate steps in his reasoning.

          Meles should have debated Chinese dictator and World’s biggest polluter Xi, but he wouldn’t have dared. He was in the dictator’s pocket.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi K.M.

          Dr. Tedros is fino asmarino:), but he lost a bit of his groove for the time he spent in Addis.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe Hawnachin
            I don’t know what ‘fino Asmarino’ means. It sounds like ፋራ I know Dr Tewodros was refined in Addis.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Fino means refined:). Ere baki….Have you read SG latest negarit. There was a Sudanese video which sounded very much like Tlahun Gesese song and I was trying to understand the relationship. Later I know it was Tlahun who adapted the song. I had no idea, it was the Eritrean guy was behind it:).

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            You can’t possibly put SGJ and music in the same world. Try that after Armageddon. The last time SGJ listened to any kind of music ክርስቶስ ተራራ ላይ ይሰብክ ነበር::

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi and Berhe,
            Like a true Ethiopian, the Ras never admits defeat. Just have your say and move on. He is busy with contractors’ designs of the chiqa wall:-)

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi and Berhe,
            Like a true Ethiopian, the Ras never admits defeat. You have to say your word and move on. He is always busy with the contractors’ design to build the chiqa wall 🙂

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            ok, moved on!

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hello all:
    What is this rumor about the PFDJ keeping the EDF on the highest level of alert?
    The Eritrea Press( fake or real PFDJ web?), the Strategic Center for the Eritrean Studies( sounds real PFDJ Web) are spreading this serious ALERT/Warning!

    • Paulos

      Sultan,

      When the Eritrean youth including the military are leaving Eritrea in droves, how could they own the moral to fight for Isaias’ adventure including in an attempt to gain Badme back? You are an intelligent person and I trust you don’t miss the simple logic.

      I suspect Isaias has clear idea how many years he has left and he is rushing against time to live a legacy behind. His remorse and sense of guilt in life is not the number of innocent Eritreans he destroyed but his regret in breaking Eritrea off Ethiopia. In his calculation, it is the Weyanes that are stopping him in his bid to reverse the wheel of history not the Eritrean people, as such he would do anything and everything to see the Weyanes eliminated so that in the end it would be a walk in the park to get Eritrea back to Ethiopia. Thing is, it sounds a far fetched tall order but in his head he sees it doable for he had done the impossible in his life when people thought improbable.

      • Lebam

        Selam Paulos,

        Explain why the Weyanes would stop IA alleged desire to bring Eritrea back to Ethiopia, and why you believe IA wants to do that?

        What about the Weyanes desire to get Eritrea and break free from Ethiopia? Is that also a possible outcome?

        What about the rumour that IA is originally a Tigrayan from Mekelle?

        Interested in your take on the questions above.

        • Paulos

          Selam Lebam,

          First of, Eritrea is not some sort of a playing ball where they can throw her here and there but the fact that she has been eroded and weakened, her ability to stand up on her own has been compromised. That said, the Weyanes’ stand on Eritrea’s independence has been consistent and unequivocal, as such, they would push back harder on either side including when Abiy lends a hand to Isaias.

          One can gather a parallel and less prominent history that Isaias harbored including when he headed to the field where he seemed to had changed courses due to the contingencies of history afterwards, however, the collapse of the King’s regime, for instance. As per Mesfin Hagos’ testimony, Isaias, as recent as 91, he entertained in fact as a foregone conclusion, he informed them to have decided to form a joint government with the Meles’ government. For unknown reason however, it didn’t hold water afterwards.

          Isaias most probably traces his bloodline from Ethiopia or Tigrai and it is possible that might have played a factor but it could rather be other long stretched that had taken a life of its own reason as well.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            That said, the Weyanes' stand on Eritrea's independence has been consistent and unequivocal, as such, they would push back harder on either side including when Abiy lends a hand to Isaias..

            This is one of the points that I do not agree with you. Because the TPLF stand, has been changed and their support for Eritrea independence, now I changed my views was never out of conviction and out of principle. It’s for their convenience in the first place.

            In case you haven’t heard the interview of Aboy Sibhat, you should listen to the interview he gave. I don’t remember the channel but he was asked specificall about this items.

            1) Why do you fight in Eritrea internal affairs and take side with EPLF against the TPLF.
            2) Why do you eliminate all the movements who were fighting Derg (like EDU and others).
            3) Why do you eliminate the Derg / Ethiopian national army.
            4) Why did you support Eritrean fight for independence and you agree it to be as a colonial fight.

            In all his answers, there was no consistency and no real principle or purpose for the greater good of the region but what’s good for TPLF.

            Suppose, Eritrea had stayed with Ethiopia under some type of arrangment after the independence (not that I supported this, I voted for Eritrea independence) but to show what would have been the role of TPLF and Tigray.

            1) If Eritrea / EPLF stayed, TPLF role will be very limited. It would have some role but not the dominant role it enjoyed after Eritrea was separated. All it’s plans such as kilillization of Ethiopia, land and territory expansion (boarder with to West, boarder with Afar to East, and North to Badime Eritrea) would have been checked and minimized.

            2) It would be just be like any other Ethiopian province like Wollo for example. It would have no dominiance in the army, budget, etc as it did for the past 27 years.

            3) EPLF was the only power (millitary / Politically ) that can challenge the front during that time.

            4) So the best thing for TPLF at that time (despite the majority wish of Ethiopians) it chose to move on with the independence of Eritrea so it can control Ethiopia.

            5) And the years it followed, it did everything it can to weaken Eritrea and chock it’s economy, isolate diplomatically and politically to force it to collapse and becomes a failed state.

            6) So the “unequivocal” support for Eritrea independence was more to do to benefit TPLF rather than to benefit Eritrea.

            How about now?

            1) Why should the TPLF care if Eritrea unites with Ethiopia (assuming that’s what Abiy / Isayas are doing)? Is it fighting for Eritrea independence because it cares for the well being of the Eritrean people?

            No the answer is the same as above. It wanted Eritrea and Ethiopia never to have a normal relationship because it weakens it’s power and it’s relevance. It will become another irrelevant group in the region.

            TPLF is now kicked out of Addis Abeba and it has no chance going back. So it’s looking for next best alternative. And that’s to separate and weaken Eritrea and incorporate what ever land and sea that it can. The whole Eritrea is a hard, so it devised to divide Eritrea into three group (see Mebrahtu Light last post), the Kebesa Tigrina in the center, the West Ethiopia to leave it to join the Sudan (it has no use for) and the East Eritrea to take over the sea.

            As Isayas and Abiy desire….may be another time.

            Berhe

          • Samuel

            Selam Berhe,
            Regarding Eritrea, The priority is not what TPLF wants, but what Eritreans need and want. What is the interest of Eritreans? If it is to unite with Ethiopia then make it clear, if it is to stay as sovereign country then work for it. TPLF believes that IA is the enemy of Tigray interest. Thus, what TPLF doing is to protect its own people interest. What Eritreans has to do/work is to protect their own interest.

            Some Eritreans believe that we can work with TPLF to fulfill the interest of Eritreans, that includes to get rid off IA. Which means, both the majority of Eritreans and Tigray people have common enemy, that is IA, thus it is the interest of both people to get rid off IA.

            Generally, Tigray people stand has never changed since Eritrea declared as independent nation. I have listened what Aboy Sibhat said last time, he said even though IA had wanted to unite with Ethiopia, but TPLF didn’t want betray the Eritrean dream and interest, they fought for it. Eritreans voted freely for independence, what else do you want TPLF to do then? to campaign against the interest of the people who voted 98% and fought for 30 years for Independence? If TPLF had done that do you think it was justified? Why is TPLF becoming a reason for the weakness of Eritreans and Eritrea government?

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            Are you saying Tplf cares more about Eritrea than Eritreans themselves?
            Tplf doesn’t give a sheet about the people of Tigray much less for Eritreans.
            አንታ እዋይ ድፍረት!

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            Are you saying that Eritreans didn’t want to have sovereign country? What I am saying is Eritreans fought for 30 years and voted to have an independent country, TPLF respected and supported that, what else do you want TPLF to do? To betray that?

            How is supporting Eritreans interest became against their interest?

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            1 Kicking them out is not supporting their interests.
            2 Chocking the country is not supporting their interest
            3Isolating the country is not supporting their interest
            4 reducing the opposition to a cattle status is not supporting their interest
            5 forum participants and readers are smarter than you think
            6 more importantly pushing them out is not supporting their interest
            7 እዋይ አንታ ሳሚ!

          • Teodros Alem

            samuel
            I know u r idoi but tplf can not be tigrai nationalist and at the same time supporting eritrea independence ,which 1/2 of eritreans r tigragn speakers.
            tplf can’t be both of it. tplf deceived your kind idoi or tplf must be idoi themselves.

          • David Samson

            Hi Abi,
            City are back to torment the big boys in Europe. It is good for footie to have a competitor— dominated by the Italians and the Spaniards. We do not want to see Meto Be Meto in footie. Do we?

            What does TPLF giveth? Blanket!

          • Abi

            David
            I’m glad the noisy neighbors are back in Europe. They are by far the most exciting team to watch. At the same time worried about Man U chance to play in champions league considering they dropped very important points against the Saints today.
            Enjoy the games my friend.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Samuel,

            I understand politics and we can’t have permanent enemies / friends but interests. The interest of the Eritrean people may lie with that of TPLF because of common enemy.

            However, I believe from the Eritrean people’s interests point of view, Eritreans should stay away from getting involved in internal Ethiopian / Tigray politics. Making with peace with Tigray and ended up making permanent enemies with the rest of Ethiopia will not be in the best interest of Eritrea in the long term.

            Eritrea needs to make peace within itself, it also needs to be at peace with all it’s neighbors. It should not be in any position to pick side within Ethiopia.

            I know this is easier said than done but from long term interest and principle stand point of view, Eritrea should stay out of any involvement. Eritrean political organization like Mesfin Hagos and others may have a desire to overthrow the PFDJ government and TPLF may be the one that would help them do so, and after than they can deal with friendly TPLF government.

            That may not be a bad strategy from his organization / opposition point of view, but what is Eritreans have to pay for to achieve that and what is the price Eritreans have to pay in the future? In other words, what’s that TPLF needs to get in return?

            TPLF actions in terms of keeping Eritrea sovereignty and integrity can not be trusted. The promotion of and support of “fringe elements” as were called within Eritrean people is a disaster in the making that weaken Eritrean unity and long term peaceful existence as a united entity. In other words, Eritrea is being played as a sacrifice lamp for the long term ambition of TPLF power. And Eritrea should not have any part of it.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            Just curious here. What alternate choice does Eritrea has at this time?
            If Mesfin Hagos is indeed cooperating with TPLF, I don’t think he is doing it to help them rather than to help Eritrea out of this misery.
            If TPLF is helping Mesfin Hagos, I am sure is they are doing it for themselves, not for Eritrea.
            If TPLF changes their mind after the fall of Isayas, we can think of that later but now we have no other choice. The alternate is to lose the whole country. I think that is Isayas’s intention.
            ብናተይ ርድኢት: ሃገር ትዓርብ ‘ያ ዘላ ንሕና ድማ ኣብ ከምዚ ግዜና ነባኽን (:

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mehandis,

            I think using TPLF to fight Eritrea is a huge problem. Isayas is one person with very few supporters, but the rest of Eritrea is against him. Any agreement IA makes without the wish of the Eritrean people if null and void. If you think IA have gained more supporters than enemies (from Eritrean people point of view), then you will be the judge. I personally think he created a lot of enemies and not much supporters (from the the die hard supporters) he had.

            You are the engineer so the devil in in the details? How is it possible for TPLF to remove IA from power? The TPLF are being smart and they wanted to use the Eritrean opposition as a cover for them engage in a war. Eritreans are just a cover, because Eritreans have told them again and again, they are not interested in fighting their own brothers and sisters who are (forced) to be PFDJ army.

            Mesfin Hagos, gives them that legitimacy for TPLF to claim they are not involved and the fight is between Eritrean people. In other words, it’s a civil war. And civil war never ends in peace.

            If you think Eritrea has a problem today, we don’t want to know what the problem Eritrea will have tomorrow. No country is able to recover from any change of government if there is no power that’s ready to take over. Yeman, Lybia, Iraq are a good example.

            The only changes that guarantee a smooth transition is one that’s done by the people themselves and that involves a wide support of the public but mainly the youth.

            What we should do:
            1) Let’s continue to fight and alienate IA and his policy towards Eritrea.
            2) Let’s continue to support Eritrean government (military, Security) and public administration to abandon the regime.
            3) Let’s all work towards it’s fall with clear transition plan of the future.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Birhin,
            It would be nice to do it without any help from anyone but the situation we are, even if the devil lend his hand to remove this evil government we have, I would take it.
            My issue is, how are we going to remove this evil gangs by ourselves?
            1. Our youth are either in Sawa or may Sirwa or refugee camps or emigrated all over the world.
            2. This liar deacon, AAA, is working with our evil in a dark room. According to him, he received the responsibility to lead our people from the evil guy.
            3. The top generals & colonels [EDF & Security apparatus] that you are hoping to help their own people are corrupted to the core. They believed iff Isayas is gone they are gone.
            4. The spy network in Eritrea is so strong and that will make very hard to the very few innocent colonels/generals.
            5. The ministers are …we don’t even need to mention them, since they are semi-dead

            You need ባይታ to fight any evil ስርዓት. So, Sudan would be nice but as you know it is out.
            What we have is Tigray. I believe that’s probably why Mesfin Hagos try to bank on.

            The question you have asked why TPLF were not helping the opposition before…that’s a million dollar worth of question. They need to clarify that, if they are now willing help.

          • Samuel

            Selam MM,

            The question you have asked why TPLF were not helping the opposition before…that’s a million dollar worth of question. They need to clarify that, if they are now willing help

            Until TPLF clarifies the matter officially let me share with you what I know about the case — Last year I was in Mekelle for vacation, I had a chance to discuss with individuals who have better information about the matter, their reasoning was:-

            1. Division inside TPLF on this matter, some TPLF members (including MZ) didn’t want to involve with the opposition because they thought IA will collapse by itself.
            2. There was a believe that the majority of Eritreans are pro government, thus they didn’t want to do against the majority support.
            3. Trust and Security — there was PFDJ infiltration, thus it didn’t want to risk the security of the region.
            4. The opposition weren’t well organized. Even though they are blaming TPLF to cover their own mistakes, the fact is they weren’t well organized to begin with.

            Thanks,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Salamat Samuel,
            Thank you for your explanation. I don’t mean you have the access to the TPLF leaders but I would hope, someone from the higher up, is reading it and make it clear to the Eritrean people, for some comfort.

            On #2, do the TPLF leaders now believe the majority of Eritreans are against the govt? What make them change their mind?

            On #4 though, it will be the chicken and egg. A lot of people believe [including me] that TPLF was ONE of the cause for not uniting but I also see your point.
            Just to make it clear though, the root cause for us not united is ourselves. We still have huge percentage that still side with HGDF. We can’t underestimate that.

          • Samuel

            Selam MM,
            On #2, I think the border opening for few months was a great blessing for the two people to observe the real sentiment. I think, that open window was very important to do xyz. Intelligence can be collected in many ways, I would expect the sentiment of the people has changed greatly since then.

            Thanks,

          • abdu

            salam Samuel
            and # 5 do not forget there are so many Muslims in the Eritrean opposition.
            they don’t want to repace issayas by muslim.
            isn’t that was the reason they help eplf to kill elf tegadelti.
            tplf is an extension of Yohanes the butcher.
            so please admit the truth. weyane hates muslims and consider them as second citizen. AB ADNA ZRKEBU ASLAM. as if they are not ethiopians or tegaru. and i hope you do remember DMXACHIN YSEMA.
            one more for you and deqi arbaa there is no enmity among eritreans muslism and christians.
            for the record when the butcher yohannes was killing the ethiopian muslims were sheltered by eritrean christians and muslims they defend them.

          • Samuel

            Selam abdu,
            Your unfounded claim — “tplf is an extension of Yohanes the butcher; weyane hates muslims and consider them as second citizen.”

            I can sense that “fear” is driving your comment. First of all I don’t think it is fair to see TPLF and Yohannes IV in the same prism. Secondly, you have to stop your baseless assumption. Your own perception doesn’t make your claim as valid account. TPLF has nothing to do with religion. For your surprise some Ethiopians has been blaming TPLF for years for weakening Ethiopian Orthodox church, one of their claim was/is TPLF has helped other religions to grow and dominate, which has resulted to weaken EOTC. This is BS.
            Do you know why the say that? Because their politics was dependent on Ethiopian Orthodox church. After 1991 the church and the state are separated forever, they didn’t like that, so they blamed TPLF.

            Remember this, “Those who blame TPLF with religion related issues are those who use religion as their political tool.”

            In Tigray or Ethiopia the least religious party is TPLF, they don’t have any religious affiliation at all. If you want to know about TPLF and its religion related views please visit Tigray, see yourself and try to conclude your own judgement instead of hearing or reading others views. I am sure you are going to bring the Axum case, please stop, it has its own historical base, it has nothing to do with TPLF. TPLF is 45 years old, Axum is thousands of years old city. You got that?

            FYI, I was born and raised in Axum, my parent and grandparents has lived there for generations in the city, I am very aware the very issue there, unless you understand the historical base you can’t understand the conclusion. I am not going there, I am sure you could be interested on that.

            I am 100% sure you are not Tigraway and you have never been to Tigray. Religion isn’t an issue in Tigray, period. If I have to guess you are one of the known individuals in this forum but you created a new account to propagate your own hate.

            During Yohannes IV religion was one of the main political institute of the time, the blame can be in both religions. During those periods there was religion related wars from every direction, thus it may have resulted many wrongdoings. You may read some books that are biased depending on the author. If the author is Christian you will read churches burned by Muslims, if the author is a Muslim you will read Mosques burned by Christians. The truth is, both wrongdoings has happened, the difference could be the magnitude.

            Let me tell you one fact that I know, some Tigray scholars and wealthy elites wanted to erect Yohannes IV statue at the center of Mekelle city, TPLF administration prohibited the plan, there was a dispute between the two elites for years. TPLF stand with its decision.

            Please don’t bring lies, most of you who have hate towards TPLF, Tigray and Tigraway I can tell you that you have never been to Tigray. Those who have visited the region, and those who worked with TPLF can’t say what you said about religion. TPLF could be blamed for other things, but not religion, religion isn’t part of its politics.

            TPLF has fought with EDU, EPRP(Ihapa), “Terenafit”, etc, it has eliminated them all. Thus, the fight against ELF has its own political reason, I don’t think religion was the main component, I don’t know if it has played a role. If you take EDU it is a Christian based party, it is the extension of Solomonic dynasty, thus TPLF has eliminated EDU because its political stand wasn’t relevant for TPLF. It has nothing to do with religion. Let’s try to be fair.

            Thanks,

          • Hashela

            Selam Samuel

            Maybe you can explain to this forum as to why TPLF media
            are providing a platform to Tigrayans with an extremely islamophobic view. Fo instance, the young Tigrayan lady who in TMH explained that Eritrean Muslim will be granted a second degree citizenship, to rephrase it mildly. Similarly, an elderly Tigrayan man made a terrible claim about muslim where the journalist approvingly nodded and smiled; I don’t want to repeat here what he said. So why are TPLF media providing a platform for this kind of people.

            Can you also explain to us the historical reasoning as to why Tigrayan muslim are not allowed to have mosques and cemetery in Axum? Why is TPLF, the regional government of Tigray, is not intervening?
            I think by explaining these questions, you will do a great service to this forum.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Samuel and Hashela,
            I think over the years TPLF lost a good deal of its progressive luster. It could be the social influence of what you called “history of Axum”. But still, mainly Axum is run like a theocracy. The bigotry doesn’t go with the secular credentials the TPLF professes. So, 30 years after liberation, Muslim citizens have yet to enjoy their religious rights. It’s a bad spot on the TPLF in particular and Tigray in general.

            Also remember even the most secular nations show serious bigotry. But over the last few decades, a clear prejudice was there in dealing with the opposition. Some officials fell victims to the anti Islam craze where people were seen and treated with suspicion. I can mention a few bad incidents that I know of first hand and I am damn sure it was a result of deep seated prejudice, suspicion and fear.

            Ask any bigoted person and they openly tell you the grave atrocities hat Muslims committed against Christians. Yet, we all know Muslims never ruled the region or had the upper hand in its politics. 800 years on elect-of-got kings and half a century od Derg/TPLF/PFDJ rule and Muslims were (and are) on the sidelines. Yet, even bonafide Secular Muslims are commonly vilified as jihadists. I know, because I am one.

            And what do the leaders do to solve this? They let openly bigoted fascists campaign from Tigray. And lately, the media has joined the fry.

            One doesn’t need to be defensive in such issues, but try to understand the situation honestly, giving weight to the victims’ views, and find a solution.

            That’s my view and I hope you take it for it’s good intention what it’s worth. Thank you

          • Samuel

            Selam Hashela,
            Regarding the TMH video, the incident that you are referring shouldn’t have been released, or it should have been edited properly. I have seen a portion of part one, it was all trash talk without any substance. I agree that any kind of religious or/and ethnic prejudices shouldn’t be tolerated. TMH shouldn’t provide any platform for such hateful groups.

            Please give credit the TMH journalist, she did her job.

            Regarding Axum, I’m not going to get into that, just FYI the federal government or regional government has no say on the issue. It’s beyond Abiy and TPLF.

            FYI, my response was to Abdu’s message —
            tplf is an extension of Yohanes the butcher; weyane hates muslims and consider them as second citizen.

            What is your view on Abdu’s message?

            Thanks,

          • Hashela

            Selam Samuel

            Regarding the journalist, she is great; whenever I see her I develop a soft heart!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ሓሸላ፡

            ፈለማ ዝጸሓፍካዮ ምስ’ንበብኩ፡ “ኢትነበብኒ ለተክሪስትኒ” ዝብል ሓሳብ ሸፈፍ ኢሉኒ።

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            ክላ በል፣ ካብ ብሃሊኡ ደጋሚኡ ኮይኑ።

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ሓሸላ፡

            ኣብ ቅድሚ ከልቢን ሃይለን ኣይትትሓባእ ዶ ኮይኑካ? Sorry! ደድላይና ጥሒንና Sorry ትብሃል ተዓዲልና፡ በዓለ-ማርያም ነኽብር ኣሎና!

          • Lebam

            Selam Samuel,

            “Regarding Axum, I’m not going to get into that, just FYI the federal government or regional government has no say on the issue. It’s beyond Abiy and TPLF.”

            Please go into it. It is interesting and I’m hoping we get an unfiltered take on the subject for educational purposes.

          • abdu

            salam Samuel ,Hashela, Saleh and Lebam
            first and foremost i apologize as i am not good in writing but i am an addicted awate reader from the day one it starts Thank you saleh
            Samuel i find you as reasonable tigraway. to better understand me i will put my replies in numbers.
            1. you said TPLF has nothing to do with religion
            if not why do they interfere in Ethiopian Muslism Majlis(EMM).when the muslims were to elect their representative TPLF said we will pick for you. Isn’t this was the main issue of DMXACHIN YSEMA.
            do you claim this has nothing to do with religion?
            population wise ethiopian somalians are not less than tigray. if you believe this is true why did wayane refuse them to have equal representative in parliament. whoever ask this he got eaten by wayane’s dog Abdi Ele
            do you believe this has nothing to do with religion?
            The EMM was asking to be an independent organization like the Orthodox church. wayane during their power in the last 27 years refused them. But now ALHAMDULLILAH (YMESGEN FETARI) they got their licence. if it was the Ethiopian Christians who use to block it PMAA wouldn’t have dare to give them the licence.
            so.is wayane has nothing to do with religion?
            Ato samuel the reason weyane do not want to help Eritrean oppositions is the same TESFA YGEBR KWAHATELKA.

            2. Political tool and 100% not tigraway
            100% not tigraway YES ALHAMDULLILAH I AM NOT AND I AM PROUD ERITREAN.
            my parents, grandparents and GGparents lived among christians.I was born and raised in asmara in an 85% christian neighborhood calling my neighbors AYA HAILE, AYA BERHE,AYA HASHELA,AMOY ABREHET ,AMOY SARA
            Let me tell you true story in a village where my grandparents from when the remnants of yohaness and deqi arbaa instigate a war between Christians and Muslims. they came to our village to kill the muslims and ask the CHIQA ADI ( Haile.s will help you in translating)to hand them the muslims. guess what he said we already take care of them relax and have drinks. while they were drinking he send his children and through the back door called HUGA*(1) to inform the muslims to go and hide in the cave around the village till they go.
            do you think someone who is raised in christian neighborhood to use religion as a political tool. A TRUE ERITREAN ZBELAALU XAHLI AYSEBRN EIYU.
            It is weyane who is giving a platform and entertaining in its Media the Agazians who claim to make muslims as second citizen.

            3. Axum muslims and mosque and 100% never been to tigray
            never been to tigray you are 100% wrong I will leave for you why you assume that
            Mekele is self administered city like Addisababa. Before they make
            Shire Edasllassei the capital of Tigray Axum was first choice but
            as per federal constitution capital city has to accommodate all religions. the axumite refuse to build a mosque. when the start the city plan and building shire airport. (here you can deny it) the people of Axum regret and ask the government to go back to axmum and were ready to build mosque. this is from reliable axum source.
            now Lebam request you to explain “IT IS SOMETHING ELSE” what is something else?
            AS Samuel Would you support the muslims in Axum to Build a Mosque?
            Does it sound to you i visited tigray or not yet?
            As i said before i see you fair and intelligent person. do you know how is the election process of muslims representatives in their majlis in tigray. l hope you do your homework but let me help you for the time being. It is the same weyane pick them. Guess what most of them they do not even have the very basic knowledge of islam. do you think it is fair someone who drinks to be representative of islam.
            Ato Samuel as Ayana Saleh said muslims in both eritrea and tigray choose to stay in the sideline. been silent it doesn’t mean
            they are ok . Samuel ask the tegaru muslims if they trust you that you are not going to, hand them to weyane, how they feel of their representatives.

            4 the statue of xxxxxx and the wealthy elite
            i hope you know who is the so called wealthy elite. he has the biggest support in weyane as He is the brother of Fetlework G/her Abraha. a Nephew of aboy sbhat. his name is Dawit G/her Abraha.he was a teacher in Asmara. weyane representative in Dubai. Do the tegaru ask how he became wealthy? they know BERTI WEYANE
            so weyane are the extension of…………

            5 this is from different thread the reply you gave to the Berhe Y. about Jemil.M.Yassin. weyane accused and killed him in the name of killers of Hayelom. Did he get fair trail, who were the witnesses. was Hayelom family there in the court?
            if you beleive the weyane verdict that Jemil kill Hayelom please accept the coming verdict of the killers of the oromo singer if it turn out weyane are the killers.
            Sorry Dawit Mesfin and forums my comment was out of the topic with your article. But someone asked why weyane do not want to help Eritrean opposition. Samuel gave some, could be reasons and defend weyane has nothing to do with religion particularly Islam.
            this was to refute his claim.
            p.s
            *(1) HUGA Back door. This is for Hashela how made my day in one of the thread you said weyane when they were building tgray, purposley, to chock Eritreans didn’t make Huga to north during their power .Now they are crying claming AHWAT ENDINA. As if they didn’t kill tegadalay nay jebha and deported because of the colour of our eyes
            thank you

          • Abi

            Hello abdu
            In your #2 You said that you are 100 percent not tigraway , AHLAMDULILLAH. You are a proud Eritrean.
            (ትግራዋይ ስላልሆንኩ ፈጣሪ ይመስገን, ኩሩ ኤርትራዊ ነኝ )

            The most ignorant and arrogant comment I’ve ever read! What special things you accomplished to be born as a proud Eritrean? What is wrong to be from Tigray?
            Last time I checked, the proud Eritreans were sleeping on the streets of Tigray cities.
            ትግራዋይ ስላልሆንኩ ፈጣሪ ይመስገን ማለት ምን ማለት ነው?
            Try to curb your Nonsense.
            የቐንየለይ

          • Nitricc

            What special things you accomplished to be born as a proud Eritrean?

            Hi Abiy; Eritreans defeated the Ethiopians with her 80 to 90 million people and left Ethiopia landlocked, I mean with two ports intact.

            What is wrong to be from Tigray?

            Embarrassment!!! The brave Eritreans placed the TPLF thugs through their tanks in 4-killo. To the embarrassment of to human kind, TPLF and Tegrau, left 4-killo while controlling tanks and banks just by rocks. Now, if you wanna brag about it good luck.

            Last time I checked, the proud Eritreans were sleeping on the streets of Tigray cities

            Every nation has some losers and what is so surprising to find such few useless citizens? Although I doubt that Eritreans are sleeping in the streets of Tigray. Since the Tigryans think Eritreans are better than themselves; they will let the Eritreans sleep inside the house while the Tigrayns sleep in the streets. So here you have it and that what Abdu meant.

          • Abi

            ነትራካው ምልምል ወታደር ኒትሪክ

            ባስቸኳይ አቅራቢያህ ወደሚገኝ ፀባይ ማረሚያ ( boot camp) ሪፖርት አድርግ::

          • Lebam

            Ati,

            How you get accepted badmouthing Eritreans on an Eritrean forum, visited by mainly Eritreans, is unfathomable. You will never get “your port”.

            Do you get paid to infiltrate and spread Ethiopian propaganda?

            He is a proud Eritrean and has every reason and rights to be it. He also explained why he is grateful to be an Eritrean in great detail, which you didn’t take into account like the circus clown you are. 🤡

            Likewise, tegaro have every reason to be proud of who they are. I defended tegaro against Nitricc’s tirades a couple of times and have done so privately as well.

            “Last time I checked, the proud Eritreans were sleeping on the streets of Tigray cities.”

            You made a comment that is much, much worse than Abdu, who simply was grateful to the people of his homeland and country.

          • Abi

            Libam
            Every time a newbie arrives at Awatenation asks the same question. ‘What is an Ethiopian doing in this Eritrean website’?
            Looks like an initiation to Eritrean patriotism.

            Now, stay aside and let abdu tell us what he means by his comment.

          • Lebam

            Ati,

            How many years ago did you start participating on Awate? I don’t remember you being active almost 4 years ago. I wonder who the newbie is?

            No, I won’t stay aside. Your unwarranted attacks will get handled.

          • Abi

            Libam
            When I sign up at Awate some years back, you were in your diapers.

          • Nitricc

            Looks like an initiation to Eritrean patriotism

            No Abiy; the initiation of Eritreanism and patriotism was Naqfa and you know about that very well and personal, what you see now Is not an initiation rather an extension.

          • Abi

            General
            I see only regression. Some are regretting the whole independence hoax, others gave up on Eritrea itself, …
            Now, go back to the boot camp

          • Nitricc

            I defended tegaro against Nitricc’s tirades a couple of times and have done so privately as well.

            Hi La-bum; lol So you defend the ” Tegaro” because they suffer from inferior complexity or because they just are weak? What do you think they need your defense and protection?

          • Lebam

            Hi Nibbler,

            Why would anyone judge an entire ethnic group? Stop being silly! Also, the fact that we share the same language is obviously something special.

            This is why: If you have experienced great injustices in life and people who want to hankefeka in every turn there will be two possible outcomes that experience will lead to psychologically.

            1: You become self-centered and someone who neglects other people’s needs and emotions. You might become a person that enjoys pushing people around, or even worse hurting people.

            2: You become an emphatic person who don’t want to see injustices happening to anyone, and judge people beforehand.

            I choose option 2.

          • Nitricc

            Hey La-Bum; I think you are suffering from form of psychological
            condition that occurs when a victim of abuse identifies, attaches and bonds, positively with their abusers known as Stockholm syndrome. Get help man. They tried to destroy you and if they can,
            they will. I could care less if they could jump in the lake but it hurts there are people like you who encourages, protects and emboldens those criminals i.e. by extension; you are criminal . Get real dude.

          • Lebam

            Nibbler,

            What I explained is the cause of racism. You see, if you are better than whites at work, or sports, they will try to hinder your progress. They can’t accept that a black man has a higher position than them.

            You aren’t alone in hating the way you do. I have seen it in person. I grew up thinking Agame was a curse word that meant redneck, trash, or hillbilly. However, I will not hate others.

            I am not protecting criminals, and I never have. I am simply against spreading hate, especially against innocent bystanders.

            I will give you an imaginary example. What did the Tigrayan Jordanos studying at Mekelle University to you, or Eritreans?

          • Nitricc

            I will give you an imaginary example. What did the Tigrayan Jordanos studying at Mekelle University do to you, or Eritreans?

            La-Bum: I am not suffering from the disease you are suffering from. But to answer your question, the tigryans you are in love with told us with absolute term that TPLF and the people of Tigray are one and inseparable. So, just you know that you are defending the criminals. No way out of this. I once asked your Tigryan friend on this forum if TPLF and the people of Tigray are the same and he affirmed to it. Ask Samual your Tigryan friend. The point? you are supporting criminals.

          • Lebam

            Nibbler,

            I am the one suffering from disease? You are dehumanizing an entire ethnic group, even little girls ffs. Look at yourself in the mirror and accept that you’re sick. If you need help to become a normal person I will gladly help you. Lebecha terkeso.

          • abdu

            Salam Lebam
            HAMEMA s NZEYQETL YEQHR
            SLEZI please don’t waste your time to reply NEZI ABATTOR
            he is here to destruct the flow of constructive ERITREAN discussions
            as most veterans of this forum noticed it.
            whether he likes it or not I am PROUD ERITREAN
            Because ERITREANS made ERITREA AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY. Been part of them makes me proud.
            ERITREA is not property of Issayas to be sold or bought. let him cry forever he will not get it.
            thank you

          • sara

            selam ato abdu…
            I like this—ERITREA is not property of Issayas to be sold or bought’-
            its true… unfortunately intentionally or an intentionally many have reduced eritrea as a property of one person….
            eritrea is of/for all eritreans only

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abdu,

            I think you are new to this forum. Let me quote you:

            “ Political tool and 100% not tigraway100% not tigraway YES ALHAMDULLILAH I AM NOT AND I AM PROUD ERITREAN.”

            This is “racism and bigotry”. It is not allowed to utter racism and bigotry in this forum. Checkout the rules and guidelines of the website. There are many ways to make your points known and understood without going to that demeaning messages. After all we Eritreans are not different than them nor do we are different from any society, for that matter. Try to avoid such kind of remarks. I am “proud Eritrean” only is more than enough.

          • abdu

            Salam Ato Amanuel
            First and foremost let me take this opportunity to say
            XINAT YHABKA XILAL GEZAKHA TEFELIYATKA

            Thank you for your reminder(advice). But let me clarify for you why i said ALHAMDULILAH. I am old enough to know what is racism plus rules and guidelines of this great ERITREAN website. In Islam(submission to God) is part of our faith to believe in DESTINY whether it is good or bad and to accept it and say ALHAMDULILAH. Did i choose not to be Tigraway, Arab, European or Asian of course not. so we say ALHAMDULILAH to God’s decree.
            To be racists against Tegaru or any race it will take me out of Islam, because in Islam the best people are those who are conscious of their Allah(God). it is not one race over the other.
            by the way while i am writing this i live, work and do business with tegaru more than half of my life. visited tigray and know tegaru very well.ALHAMDULILAH

            The Issue with Samuel as you have read it TPLF the group you call them visionary leaders with Eritrean and Ethiopian Muslims.
            I guess you know how and when their downfall starts. DIMXACHIN YSEMA were asking for justice they didn’t ask for power.
            AB ADNA ZRKEBU ASLAM XEGIBOM. because they were asking for justice qerro, fanno and others join them. They send TPLF to where they visioned to live and i pray to GOD soon they will labeled Terrorist group by UN. and end up like the Sir lankan Tigers
            They didn’t learn their mistakes and still treating Tegaru Muslims the same. NO jJUSTICE. Even Samuel avoid to reply if he support to build mosque in Axum.
            why they didn’t help ERITREAN oppositions I guess you were in AWASA. and the Great wedi philipo explained it.

            Thank you again XINAT YHABKUM MULUAT SDRA

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abdu,

            I don’t want to engage to the kind of your argument. I am old enough to do that. But I want to make clear four things. Words and phrases have their own meanings and are standardized as such, and they can not be interpreted as you like. Even if you want them, the wanted the “conscious and erudite” will take them for they stand for. Now back to my points:

            (a) Alhamdulah I am not a Tigrian is simply “thanks god I am not Tigrian” literature wise. Since we don’t know what is in your mind we take them as is and for what they stand for. So sorry was the easy way out for you.

            (b) you said to me: “you call them visionary leaders.” You know “leaders” is plural. Then your statement is false just to be humble than to say it a lie – a harsh word.

            (c) You said: “ in Islam the best people are those who are conscious of their Allah(God). First we are not talking about religion. But to answer to your statement the best people are not only those who are conscious of god but also those who are conscious and know how to resolve contradictions of societies.

            (d) you said: “I guess you know how and when their downfall starts.” If I know how they fall, it means also I know how they can climb to power.

            The rest of your comment are “all wishes” and wishes are not debatable. Brother, Politics does not work by wishes, it has its own mechanics and know how to play them. Hates are not politics if you know the games of politics. When I debate I look for “wise adversaries” that I could learn from them and vise versa. And try to be one of them. With that my case is closed.

            Regards

          • Brhan

            Hello Ustaz A. Hidrat,

            I just want to add that we do not fall on the trap that the TPLF and PF(DJ) have used : the religion card. They used it against each other and the card is always in their closet for their disposal.

            I recall at one time the PF(DJ) said it is concerned about the Jeberti of Tigray and Meles Zenawi said he is also concerned about Eritrean Muslims. Do you think these two cared about it sincerely? No. They used to create distrust among the other side’s people of different religious background, with no care that it will lead even to violence. They are ok with it as long as it helps in sustaining their power. Now the TPLF directly and indirectly using the same card but this time the card is upgraded and under various divisive names.

            Any Ethiopia issue belongs to Ethiopians only. They have to solve their issues by themselves. Eritrea will be involved only when a country’s internal issue attracts the international community and Eritrea can show its stand on the issue through her membership at the UN and its affiliates.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Brhan,

            I know Issayas and his group have created an organization that resembles them as oppose to the Eritrean mosaic. Abotat Adetat Nihna ina dekikum are used to create rift between the two religions. I have written against this destructive slogan in many occasions. At least I will keep advocating to the interest of our “social groups” on how to get a fair representations in the political and economic life of our nation. Because I believe there is no justice without that. I hope to save our politics from framing on religious basis. If we succeed on that, there is no need of forming alliances on religious basis. I hope you agree with me to this idea.

            Regard

          • Brhan

            Hello Amanuel,
            I agree with you and I am working for that effort.
            Thanks

          • Brhan

            Hello Abdu,
            Please use the pronoun “I” instead of “we”. And you are free to say that in this forum.

          • Lebam

            Selam Brhan,

            Amanuel and others sadly misunderstood Abdu by reading one part of his post and not understanding the context of which he said, Alhamdulillah (thank God, or praise be to God).

            Tigrayan Muslims were persecuted, forcefully made to become Christians, or killed. A genocide that was religiously motivated took place. Many fled to an area that later became an independent country. Namely Eritrea…

            This is something most of the forumites know for certain.

            Based on the experience Muslims had in Tigray. He said, Alhamdulillah for being an Eritrean.

            Also, he mentioned that he isn’t that good at writing in English, or the like, in his opening post.

            He even tried to explain himself to no avail.

            I understood you Abdu, and know that you didn’t intend to offend anyone.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Lebam,

            This time I will disagree with you. I clearly understood the message intended to pass by Abdu. We take them as they are “presented“ and what their “real meanings” are. We don’t go in his mind. People must think twice, read and read, their comments before they release for public reading. Comments must be drafted in a way their readers could understand in the way they want it. Again words and phrases have standardized meaning, and hence play your game within that. Abdu’s comment is categorized as hate messages.

            Regards

          • Lebam

            Selam Amanuel H,

            I get your drift Aman, but you don’t even need to read between the lines to get what Abdu meant. Although doing that helps, especially if the person behind the post have difficulties writing in English, or writing in general.

            I’ll quote some of Abdu’s opening post in order bellow.

            first and foremost i apologize as i am not good in writing but i am an addicted awate reader from the day one it starts Thank you saleh

            The EMM was asking to be an independent organization like the Orthodox church. wayane during their power in the last 27 years refused them. But now ALHAMDULLILAH (YMESGEN FETARI) they got their licence. if it was the Ethiopian Christians who use to block it PMAA wouldn’t have dare to give them the licence. so.is wayane has nothing to do with religion?

            Political tool and 100% not tigraway
            100% not tigraway YES ALHAMDULLILAH I AM NOT AND I AM PROUD ERITREAN.

            my parents, grandparents and GGparents lived among christians.I was born and raised in asmara in an 85% christian neighborhood calling my neighbors AYA HAILE, AYA BERHE,AYA HASHELA,AMOY ABREHET ,AMOY SARA

            Let me tell you true story in a village where my grandparents from when the remnants of yohaness and deqi arbaa instigate a war between Christians and Muslims. they came to our village to kill the muslims and ask the CHIQA ADI ( Haile.s will help you in translating)to hand them the muslims. guess what he said we already take care of them relax and have drinks. while they were drinking he send his children and his nephews through the back door called HUGA*(1) to inform the muslims to go and hide in the cave around the village till they go. do you think someone who is raised in christian neighborhood to use religion as a political tool. A TRUE ERITREAN ZBELAALU XAHLI AYSEBRN EIYU. It is weyane who is giving a platform and entertaining in its Media the Agazians who claim to make muslims as second citizen

            There is more of the original post explaining why he is thankful to be an Eritrean, but this should suffice. Also, instead of refuting his claims and making it an exciting and interesting discussion, he received a bunch of ad hominem attacks (attacking his character to undermine his argument).

          • Hashela

            Selma Lebam

            Abdu revealed the bigotry of Axum residents and TPLF with respect to how Muslims’ are deprived of their religious rights in Axum and the lack of intervention from the regional government which is TPLF.
            That revelation alone made him a target for relentless attacks. TPLF supporters were waiting for the slightest innocent mistake. One has also to pay attention to the reason for the unfortunately, vaguely formulated statement by Abdu. His identity was questioned. He was responding to the person who questioned Abdu’s Identity.

            It seems Abdu’s capital “mistake” was the revelation of TPLF’s bigotry that is hard to rationalize even by the strongest TPLF supporters.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            Can your head grasp that it is inappropriate to build a rival place of worship in a city considered as Holy by an older religion? This has nothing to do with politics.

            Why don’t you ask the Saudis to give permission for building Jewish and Christian places of worship in Najran, Yathrib and Mecca? Because you are daft, I know it, you are going to say there are no Jews and Christians living there.

          • Lebam

            Simon,

            “rival place of worship”

            For an educated person living in the West, you’re pretty backwards with your ideology. Since when is SA considered to be a role model?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            I know Your criticism to whom is directed. I don’t want to see a statement thrown carelessly that has negative connections. I will keep bringing them upfront to criticize decently. I lived with the insult you try to throw it indirectly like “TPLF supporters.” I will not go the road you are trying to travel. But…but, rest assured that you can not be a patriot than those who spend their prime age for Eritrean independence. There is no compensation that you could get by blackmailing veterans fighters who gave everything to the birth of our nation. In short, I am so sorry you lost all the respect I had on you of being the sells man of the despot cheap politics. When you go as low as to the level of bystanders, and as educated as you are, to blackmail those who oppose your view is astonishing to say the least.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            I can’t reconcile your accusations with the content and intent of my post. I feel sorry about your frustration and your unjustified accusation. My above comment and your loaded response are there for every body to read. People will be able to make their own judgement.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሓሸላ,

            እስከ በቲ ቋንቋና ትግርኛ ክፍትን ከረደኣካ እንተከኣልኩ:: አቦው እንታይ ይብሉ “ ወሓጥዮ እንበልካዋስ ትጎስሞ ይብሉ:: አነ ነዚ ወያነ ዝብል ጸለመ ንዓይ ከምዘይምልከተኒ ንዓመታት ቅድሚ ንዓወተ ፎሩም ምፍላጥካ ይኹን ክትሳተፎውን ምስ ጀመርካ ብተዳጋገሚ ገሊጸ እየ:: ንምሕጽንታ መልእኽተይ ከም ምሁር ምንም ክርደኣካ አይከአለን:: እተጸለመ ከም ዕላማ እንተወሲድካዮን ግን ድንብርጽ አይብለንን እዩ::

            ካልኣይ ከም ምሁር ካብቲ ኢሳያስን ሰዓብቱን “መንግስቲ አኹስም” ክንምስርት ኢና እናበሉ ዝቃለሱ ዝነበሩን: ሕጅውን እንተኾነ ንዕኡ ንምትርጓም ዝቃለሱ ዘለው ከይትዋደቅስ ንዓይን ከማይን ዘአመሰሉ ከተጸልም መሪጽካ አሎኻ:: አነ ኣንጻር እቲ ዝካየድ ዘሎ ውዲት ኢሳያስን ሰዓብቱን ተቃላሳይ ምኻነይ ደጋጊመ አነጺረ እየ (pls refer to the medere of Dr Tesfazion that I have linked to you and your likes)

            በጃኻ ምህራዊ አተሓሳስባን አዘራርባን የድለየና አሎ:: “ወያኔ ደጋፊ” ንዘይደጋፊ ምጽላም ጥዕና ዘለዎ አይኮነን:: እዝስ ንበዓል ኒትሪክን ንዑኡ ዝአመሰሉን እንተትገድፎ ምሓሸ:: ካባኻ ዝጽበዮ ዝነበርኩ መፍትሒ-ጠቀስ ስነጽሑት ከተቅርብ እየ ዝጽበ ነይረ:: Albeit you failed my expectation::

            [this is in response to your last paragraph of your response].

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            For the benefit of the broader audience, allow me to respond in English.

            In this forum, our national and regional political stand is identified based on what we write. When it comes to TPLF and their Eritrea politics, you and I have diametrically opposed and irreconcilable stands. Therefore, it is not surprising that sometimes you are not happy about my writing and you feel disappointed, well so be it. You and I are accomplished scholars in our respective field of specializations. So please no professor-student patronizing relationship. I have no expectation from you and you shouldn’t have any expectation from me. I will leave it here.

          • Brhan

            Selam Lebam
            Well Abdu is not Lebam.

          • Lebam

            Selam Brhan,

            Do you mean that your comment was directed towards Abdu and that I should not intervene?

          • Brhan

            Merhaba Lebam
            I am asking whether he shares your reply or not.

          • Lebam

            Selam Berhan,

            He is an adult and can handle himself, as can anyone on this forum from what I’ve seen.

            Admittedly, I enjoy uncomfortable discussions and to engage where it is most entertaining and educational.

          • Samuel

            Selam Abdu,
            1. Regarding Somalis parliament representation
            The regional seat allocation was based on 1994 Census, at that time it could be that the nomad nature of the region has played a role, there could be families and individuals that weren’t counted at that time.
            It is true that population size increase thru time, however the parliament seat number doesn’t change with the same pace. I don’t mind if they reallocate again, Tigray has 38, Somalia has 25, if we assume they have equal population size, it will be 31 vs 32, thus as Tigraway I don’t think it will bring any significant change in Ethiopia politics. It is just being used for political talking points. Considering Ethiopia politics, losing 7 seats doesn’t make any difference. My reading is you are interested in talking points than rational argument.
            If you take California for example the population size isn’t proportional to its seats in the House of Representative compared to other States.
            My point is the parliament seat difference should be taken as lack of democracy rather than “hate towards Muslims”.

            2. Political tool and 100% not tigraway, YES ALHAMDULLILAH I AM NOT AND I AM PROUD ERITREAN
            I am glad you are happy with who you are. Thank you for sharing your experience where you grow up. You have to understand that it was/is the king of Axum who has accepted the first Muslim families who were sent by Prophet Muhammad. They weren’t sent to Europe, Asia, or other countries nearby, they were sent to the land of Axumite king. The prophet knew we were generous people. We still are welcoming people. If you had visited Tigray you should have shared your experience. Few incidents doesn’t show you the sentiment of the people and its government. Very disappointed by your view.

            Have you seen how Ethiopians and other refuges are being treated in Saudi Arabia? Is it because they are Christians? I don’t think so, there are Muslims among them too, it just happens to be the decision of the government or local officials.

            3. About Tigray capital city
            Tigray is 97% Christian, why is religion becoming a reason to choose a capital city? If that makes you happy for your justification then be it, otherwise every decision has its own xyz reasons.

            4. Regarding Hayelom killer
            I don’t care the killer’s religion, what I have said was what the court declared. He admitted he killed him. The dispute wasn’t whether he did it or not, the dispute was why he did it? who is behind the killer? It was believed to be he was an undercover agent of PFDJ Intelligence Service .
            You have every right to object that, but it has nothing to do with his religion. If he was a Christian it would have been the same story.

            5. About the Yohannes Statue
            The point I was making was TPLF and its decision on controversial issues. I thought you will appreciate TPLF’s stand on the matter. You seem to be focusing on the individual who sponsored the fund. I don’t care who sponsored the money, however TPLF stopped the plan, how is this an issue for you? My God. To be honest you have deep hate, it won’t help you at all.

            Politics is about interest, TPLF has every right to keep its interest. Anyway, it’s enough for now for both of us, we will discuss on other matters. Try to open your mind, and try to be reasonable.

            Thanks,

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abdu,

            Why do you want to build a Mosque in Axum?
            Axum is the centre of Ethiopian and Eritrean Christianity. There is already St Mary of Zion, which is older than Islam.

            You already have beautiful Mosques in Yathrib and Mecca.

            Can we rebuild the old Synagogues and
            Churches in the Hijaz and Najran?

          • abdu

            salam simon
            Can we rebuild the old Synagogues and Churches in the Hijaz and Najran?
            i will answer your question once you answer my question to you
            are there Tegaru Muslims in Tigray?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abdu,

            There are Tegaru Muslims in Tigray. But St Mary of Zion was already there and Axum had became a CENTRE and SYMBOL of Christianity centuries before Islam.

            So, why do want to build a rival place of worship in Axum?

            On the other hand, the Jews and Christians in the Hijaz and Najran were ethnically cleansed or converted by force to Islam. Their places of worship were also destroyed.

          • abdu

            Salam Simon
            As long as they are Tegaru and Ethiopians ,
            as they say Patience is virtue.
            if they were able to get back 70 plus mosques licences which was confiscated and get their freedom to be an independent entity like the orthodox church i will not doubt even for a second that there would be a reason not to build a mosque in Axum.
            Dr Debretsion and TPLF before they leave for Dedebit will lay the foundation of mosque in Axum.
            As for Hijaz and Najran that will be you job. I don’t think Trump would be interested to help you.
            thank you

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abdu,

            You are ducking and diving instead of answering my question.

            There is only one place of worship in Axum, older than Islam. You can worship there.

            Do you think that we should be allowed to rebuild the old Synagogues and Churches in the Hijaz and Najran?

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            Let me volunteer an answer:
            If Saudi Jews or Christians want to build their place of worship, I believe they should. And one should address the Saudis in that issues.

            Tigrayan Muslims should have the right to build their place if worship in their own country. They shouldn’t be denied that right unless it be country is a theocracy. If that’s is the case they all citizens should fight to make it a secular state, just like what happened in history.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            The Jews and Christians of the Hijaz and Najran predate Islam, but they do not exist there anymore. They had been ethnically cleansed. Unfortunately, they cannot raise the question of rebuilding their sites with the Saudis.

            Israel, Ethiopia, and Eritrea are, in theory, entitled to raise this question with the Saudis. But the global ummah will be outraged and will be baying for blood, that is the reality.

            Axum and St Mary of Zion predate Islam. So, building a rival religious site there will not happen. Be realistic.

          • Saleh Johar

            Simon,
            I know the history of Saudi Arabia, and the history of ethnic cleansing throughout the world. That is not the topic here. The right of Muslim Tigrayans is the topic. Stay there.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            Is it the right of muslim/religion is the topic? I think it is part of the wishful thinking to make ethiopia and eritrea Islam,
            If it is about freedom of religion, u wouldn’t oppose and protest the celebration of “mesekel”, 3-5 months ago u wrote an article opposing the celebration of “mesekel”, if it is about freedom of religion the axum muslims (if there r any), would have asked the question.
            It is about a wishful things and part of the old thinking to make ethiopia and eritrea Islam by forcing them to convert or by ethnic cleansing just like hijaz and najran.
            Im not by any means against freedom of religion for the Muslims in axum , if there r any.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            I opposed what, Meskel celebration? You are wrong and and you cannot prove it.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            U can reread ur article few days after this years mesekel celebration.
            U can’t be for freedom of religion and ethnicity, when u r against celebration of mesekel and when u r advocating arabic for 8 ethnics of eritrea(_ tigragn).
            It is contradictory.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            Don’t shift accusations. Stay out on the claimed article I wrote. The onus is on you. Prove it or retract your accusation. I am very serious. Please show me your evidence.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            The article that u wrote after a few days after this years temket celebration, after a few days temeket recognized as UNESCO world heritage. any body can read it and judge it or bring the article to the front and unbiased people (not those Sherrod ) judge it.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,

            You just bring it, I am not going to bring anything anywhere because I do not know what you are talking about. I understand you are insinuating that it was removed, but if it there you can get it on google and if it is removed, it will turn out an error message. Just get that. There is no escape my friend. if I were you, I would retract and say I was mistaken. Is there a possibility you read something and based on your prejudiced you decided to throw it at me and you thought it will stick? When was Timket (you can at least tell me that) and I will give you anything that was published since then, if you are too lazy to search but too reckless to accuse me. My friend, you have the responsibility of citing it. I am still serious.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            The tittle of the article was Abiy Ahmed and the return of theocracy in ethiopia, written 5-6 months ago, at that article it talks about “temeket” celebration too and was written 2 or 3 days after temeket celebrated in ethiopia big.
            note, last time i read the article was same day or next day the article posted here in Awate, and since then i never read it , i don’t know if it is audited or still there.
            let unbiased people(2-4 people) judge for themselves.
            The point is double standard, if some one tells you one thing for one religion/ethnic and say other things for different religion/ethnic, it is not about the rights of religion or ethnicity.

          • Saleh Johar

            Teodros Alem, (attention to all Forumers)

            Teodros, you are still dancing around.

            You accused me for writing something. I said you are lying. Prove it. Now you are not sure, but just general 5-6 months. If it was so important for you to accuse me in relation to anything, then bring it here, the article that I wrote. It is very simple, everything I wrote is under the Negarit column. Go and fish it. Good luck but dont dig your hole deeper. Before you go in tangent, double standard, etc, first you have to prove your initial accusation or retract (which is for the morally courageous) Prove you have moral courage. Posted on awate? You think I should keep track on anything posted that irritated you? It is your responsibility to make sure before you accuse me. It’s still on your back. Also think, someone can accuse me remembering your accusation but they will be lazy and evil intentioned. The less you dance around, the more clarity you will have. Calm down and retrace your circular motion. Focus on what started all this and try to defend your integrity. If you need help from members of the forum, ask if they can help you remember what its is exactly, dates, and maybe they can advise you to take care of your sanity.

            NB: unfounded accusation is not allowed on this form unless one can prove it. Remember that. I would hate to see you dishonorably kicked out, just to give you an idea. If you can neither prove your allegation or retract, or apologize, your intention are bad and you are dishonest. And there will be no reason to keep you here to sow discord and accuse people wantonly.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            The article tattle was like i said above, Abiy Ahmed and the return of theocracy in ethiopia it was written by U or Awate.com( i don’t remember who but im 100% sure it was written by U or Awate.com which u r member) and it talks about the celebration of this year’s temeket and it opposes big celebration of temeket and it blame 3A for.big celebration.

          • Lebam

            Teodros,

            Go ahead and quote what you felt was said against timqet. http://awate.com/abiy-ahmed-and-the-return-of-theocracy-to-ethiopia/

          • Teodros Alem

            lebam
            Last time i read the article when it was posted the first day or 2nd day, i didn’t read it now and i will not read it but i remember the article accused 3A for celebrating temeket big and one of the reason the article say the return of theocracy in ethiopia was because 3A let celebrate temeket big like HS time. and i know people here in this forum r weird and the most hateful people(most of them ) so i don’t expect good judgment form this weird and sick people expect 3- 5 people.

          • Lebam

            Teodros,

            You are the type of person who tries to clap with one hand. WTF do you mean you’ll not read it?

            You made a very serious allegation and you didn’t even try to google said article, nor do you want to read it when it’s presented to you.

            How dare you call people on this forum weird when you are behaving the way you’re doing?

            Who do you suggest should read the article and bless us with something that isn’t there?

          • Teodros Alem

            lebam
            First i didn’t even know u existed in this forum, but u r one of those weird and sick.
            I don’t need to read it again , i don’t know if it is edited or not and i don’t need to read it again but i remember the argument of the article still now, the argument was like because the theocracy returned to ethiopia, that was why temeket celebrated big, kind of argument.
            If u saw this year’s the whole month of “Ramadan” in ethiopia , the whole government and “none-government medias broadcast “5 times selat” and teach of Islam most of thier time and i haven’t seen anybody complaining about it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Lebam,

            We have many like him who jump with baseless accusations, even without reading the articles and comments posted here in the front page of this website and in this forum. So don’t be surprised. They are plenty of them. For such people don’t give them a platform by responding to them until the moderators take the necessary step to have a clean debate on various issues.

            Regards

          • Lebam

            Teodros,

            Here is the Timqet part as reference for readers who are as lazy as yourself.

            The involvement of the church is too evident to miss,
            particularly during last week’s Timqet celebration (Epiphany) in
            Ethiopia. It seems Ethiopia is abandoning its secular system of
            governing and reverting to the church sanctioned governance like the defunct Solomonic dynasty did. That is how it looked during the Haile Selassie era. Now, those who believed Ethiopia is a secular state need to question it and think again. It seems under Abiy Ahmed, Ethiopia has turned into a theocracy. Otherwise, what is the meaning of all the political statements, large posters of maps incorporating Eritrea as part of Ethiopia in a religious event? What is the meaning of a city-square sized outline of the same insulting map drawn on the grounds where Timqet was being celebrated with heavy presence of the clergy? It’s sad to see the religious paraphernalia being overshadowed by the political images.

            Ethiopian extremists engaging in political campaigns
            exploiting the church’s authority and pursuing aggressive goals is not new to Eritreans. And the price they paid due to that recklessness was so heavy. Currently, the situation in Ethiopia and its political trend is unsettling. The course of Ethiopian politics under Abiy Ahmed is heading towards a dangerous zone and it would be helpful if level-headed people tried to stop it. Otherwise, Abiy Ahmed is inches away from turning into a ruthless dictator who would leave behind him a never-ending trail of blood in the entire region.

            If the wrong steps of Abiy Ahmed are to be corrected,
            Ethiopians need to maintain secular values and distance religious
            institutions from politics and governance. It would also be a wise
            decision if Abiy Ahmed distanced himself from the Eritrean dictator, and instead he focused in the internal instability in many parts of Ethiopia, like the security of the people, particularly those in remote areas of Ethiopia who are dying in the scores due to the prevailing social strive. Bringing Ethiopia to where it is now was not an easy feat, taking it back to where it was in 1991, is much easier.

            Wishing the region peace, stability, justice, and freedom.

          • A.Osman

            Thank you Lebam, I was wondering what the Teodros Alem was referring to. From memory in that Timqet celebration the old Ethiopia map with Eritrea included was paraded or something to that nature… or am I referring to another situation.

          • Teodros Alem

            a.osman
            good one and im sure all the ……people will agree with u and will make it about the map and flag.
            what a dishonest and i wonder why u guys and ur country r miserable all of ur life.

          • Lebam

            Selam A.Osman,

            Yes, that is the one. However, it said nothing about opposing, or protesting Timqet celebration like Teodros Alem suggested.

            Some people try their hardest to find something that isn’t there driven by hate, suspicion or paranoia. If anything, Saleh was suggesting that religion and politics shouldn’t intertwine, which is a very Western and secular outlook. Saleh should be happy that he has opponents this easy tbh…. 😀

          • Saleh Johar

            AOsman,
            That’s what he is referring though he makes it sound as if it was me and as if it was as bigoted a comment as his. Maybe he was holding the offensive and aggressive map. We criticized that and yes, I believe a religious celebration should not be poisoned with politics. And that is the line between a secular system and a theocracy. Now I know he is a theocratic guy who wants to rule with divine edicts. And that creates the likes of ISIS—

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            My apologies, im sorry, deep inside i knew u weren’t the one wrote the article and deep inside i know u r for freedom of religion but for some reason i was trying to mess with u and i apologize for twisting the article just to mess with u.
            I know im wierd sometimes,, i’m sorry, i know u r one of fair and balanced person when u r moderator.

          • Saleh Johar

            Teodros,
            And I accept your apology. But in the future, don’t mess with me please. You can joke and make fun if you can control your offensive impulses, but to accuse me of bigotry just to mess up, as you claim, is not wise at all. Fighting bigotry and fanaticism is what I spent a lifetime doing. And I will not allow that from anyone for any reAson. That Cael Rovian strategy, attacking people on their strength is evil. So, let’s be careful when dealing with someone’s character. It’s called character assasination and I do not tolerate it after so many years of victimization. Resist the urge to puck on someone’s religious identity because that happens the readily available smearing tool. It ends here, I hope

            I have to thank you for your courage to apologize on this one.

          • Brhan

            Hello Saleh,
            For commentators like him religion has become the weakest card to attack a person’s stand on non-religious issues. It is not because they are keen to their religion but they know how easlily thier hate can flare up things.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saleh G.,

            No problem.

            The topic is: Building a rival religious site in a city, Axum, where an older firmly established religion already considers as Holy. This is a recipe for conflict.

            The issue of ethnic cleansing, a painful episode, was not mentioned for its own sake, but as a background information. For example, in raising the issue of rebuilding Jewish and Christian religious sites in the Hijaz and Najran, someone may counter by saying: there are no Jews or Christians living there. Then, the ethnic cleansing story will provide further clarification.

          • sara

            selam Amee saleh,
            as they say, better late than never and your response is true, correct and to the point.

          • Consolation

            Selam Simon,

            The argument which analogizes Axum to Saudi Arabia is one of the silliest arguments I have ever heard. If it had been the Saudis that asked for a Mosque to be built in Axum, then, certainly, it would make sense to employ such a reply. But it is Tigrayan Muslims residing in Axum who want to exercise their right to have a place of worship. And what is more egregious is they have to bury their dead 30 or more kilometres away from the town. All because Tigrayan Christians have an abiding hatred for Islam.

          • Brhan

            Selam Consolation

            While what most of what you have said is valid the last sentence is generalization and it is good to avoid generalization unless supported by facts. And for me it is very hard to hide facts as unseen.

            The topic was about people i.e. Muslims of Axum building a mosque in their city. At another comment I said as an Eritrean this is an internal Ethiopian or Tigray Killil issue ( regardless of my religion.) This is because it has political aspect : an outside gov’t and its relations with its people’s demand and thus needs political solution. Also I have said to my reply to Mr. A. Hidrat Eritreans/ Eritrea will be engaged in another’s country’s internal issue if that issue is raised by the international community represented by UN. Examples are the Rohingya the Palestinian, Darfur issues, etc. Eritrea with its delegates can say a yes or no or abstain based on her interest.
            Secondly because it is about people , Tigrayan Muslims , I do not see the haltered that you are mentioning. To the opposite I know it was TPLF who let Tigrayan Muslims own land ( they were only weavers and merchants). Also, the ranks and files of it included Muslims , such as the late president of Ethiopia’s house of federation and, the chief of staff as far as I know.
            Last but not least let me share with you this, as you know when people move to another place they change and for many Tigrayan’s was the Sudan where they lived as a refugees. Among them was Ras Mengesah Seyoum the grand grand son of Aste Yohaness. At one occasion he said to a group of Sudanese intelectuals ” My grand grand father was against Muslims and now look who is giving me a shelter; Muslims.” In addition, do not forget the ones who brought Meles to Addis Ababa in 1991 was not EPLF because they did not own a plane at that time but the Sudan. This is history and Tigrayans are not dumb not to learn from it and can’t be easily narrow minded not to celebrate their diversity because it is source of richness in its all meaning.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Consolation,

            Yathrib and Mecca – Holy cities for Islam.

            Axum – Holy city for Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians.

            There should be no rival structures in these places.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Simon,

            You stated:
            On the other hand, the Jews and Christians in the Hijaz and Najran were ethnically cleansed or converted by force to Islam. Their places of worship were also destroyed.

            Can you share more information on this History. There is a well known story on the delegation of Christian scholars sent to Prophet Mohammed to discuss his invitation to Islam. After debate, they kindly declined the invite and an agreement was reached between the two parties.

            Interestingly, as you are discussing practising ones religion, during that visit, the delegation wanted to worship and they were given a place within the mosque (now known Mesjid of Medina) to carry out their worship.

            I think on a separate occasion, men from Abyssinia, showcased their traditional dance (more likely a form of religious mesmur with koboro – I need to find the source to get the full story. Was it Ahmed Gragn that caused so much fear of Islam/Muslims or there is more to it…..it is a topic that we need to dig deeper. I am quite interested in the ethnic cleaning that you claimed as we know little on the History of Yemen.

            We tend not to discuss much about Yemen, which has so much similarities with our region to a point of blood connection that many don’t want to hear the association…until they do DNA test (youtube has many interesting habasha reactions). I was hoping to learn much from Bokre Academy as he promised to fill 700 years of Historical gap (bucco as he termed it). Unfortunately, the early delivery was poor as he become too reactionary to social media debates and started to go all over in the presentation, which made it a put off.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hashela

            Hi Osman
            how about this.

            Title: Ethiopian Mitochondrial DNA Heritage: Tracking Gene Flow Across and Around the Gate of Tears

            Kivislide et al

            American Journal Human Genetics (2004) Nov; 75(5): 752–770.

            doi: 10.1086/425161

            “Abstract

            Approximately 10 miles separate the Horn of Africa from the Arabian Peninsula at Bab-el-Mandeb (the Gate of Tears). Both historic and archaeological evidence indicate tight cultural connections, over millennia, between these two regions. High-resolution phylogenetic analysis of 270 Ethiopian and 115 Yemeni mitochondrial DNAs was performed in a worldwide context, to explore gene flow across the Red and Arabian Seas. Nine distinct subclades, including three newly defined
            ones, were found to characterize entirely the variation of Ethiopian and Yemeni L3 lineages. Both Ethiopians and Yemenis contain an almost-equal proportion of Eurasian-specific M and N and African-specific lineages and therefore cluster together in a
            multidimensional scaling plot between Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African populations. Phylogeographic identification of potential founder haplotypes revealed that approximately one-half of haplogroup L0–L5 lineages in Yemenis have close or matching counterparts in southeastern Africans, compared with a minor share in Ethiopians. Newly defined clade L6, the most frequent haplogroup in Yemenis, showed no close matches
            among 3,000 African samples. These results highlight the complexity of Ethiopian and Yemeni genetic heritage and are consistent with the introduction of maternal lineages into the South Arabian gene pool from different source populations of East Africa. A high proportion of Ethiopian lineages, significantly more abundant in the northeast of that country, trace their western Eurasian origin in haplogroup N through assorted gene flow at different times and involving different source populations.”

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Hashela,

            It makes sense that Northern Ethiopia, Eritrea and Yemen would show related DNA imprint.
            The trade with Egypt goes back to the time of the Pharaoh, with Punt-land being around Eritrea. Also Yemen served as the centre where this mixing with Syria and Palestine was formed. It was a trading route for high priced goods (spice and frankincense) from India and East Africa. There was also migration both directions… persecuted Christians from Syria who introduced the religion into Yemen and the opposite wave when not long after the Ma’rib dam was ruined. The region had an active interaction, but we don’t delve into that history, maybe for luck of written records.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hashela

            Hi Osman

            if you read carefully, you will recognize some surprises.

            Despite geographic proximity there seems to be less admixture between Tigrayans and Afar.

            Tigrayans show more admixture with Egyptians/Syrians, Palestines than with Yemenis.

            and more!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam A. Osman,

            On the fate of the three Jewish tribes (Banu Nadir, Banu Qurayza and Banu Qaynuqa) of Yathrib and that of the Christians of Najran (and the deportation order by Caliph Omar), you need to search the internet starting with Wikipedia.

            As a start, here is a Hadith –

            Omar ibn al-Khattab reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

            I will certainly expel the Jews and Christians from the peninsula until I leave none but Muslims.

            Source: Sahih Muslim 1767

          • A.Osman

            Selam Simeon,

            On Najran, wiki does not show an expulsion as historical fact, but a point of dispute. The Najran accord of 897 was some 2 centuries after Omer. Wiki has this: “The Christian community of Najran still had considerable political weight in the late ninth century” the it explains what the accord was about. The final section on the decline of the community has little to say….I expected you to fill that gap.

            I checked one of the referenced books, not much to pick on. From what I gather, roughly I know the following:
            1. Christianity introduced by Monophysite around 5th century as they could not live in Syria…
            2. A century later a Jews group aligned with the Persian empire of the time rule Yemen, persecuting Christians in Yemen. There was a Negarit article on this time.
            3. Abyssinia aligned to Byzantine intervenes to protect Christians and give cover to Byzantine. It stays there for 50 years (525 to 575), in that short stay there a discontent by locals as it is another imperial rule.
            4. Islam takes hold around the time that Abysinnia retreats, but have no detail on any war between the two. Someone who knows the period well may explain what was at play.
            5. Muslims in a short span control much of Byzantine, I assume Najran fall within the fold of Islamic rule, but as my first entry the local stay put, but are not driven out.

            ————-

            You jumped to the Jew clans of Medina, I think this is a diversionary point from Najran. A separate unrelated issue where Qureish of Mecca decided to exterminate Muslims who migrated from Mecca to Medina to avoid persecution. There was a join pact between Muslims (migrants and two local Arab tribes) and Jews to defend the city. However, there was a change in alliance with the Jews tribe working with Qureish to give them access to Medina.

            The expulsion was as a consequence of that intrigue….Read on the battle of trench and the defence of Medina. But we digress…..from Najran, unfortunately.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam A. Osman,

            On Najran, the quotes I have are:

            The Christians delegation from Najran tried to convert Muhammad to Christianity and the two sides entered into a debate. Muhammad concluded that some Christian teachings were incompatible with Islam and that Islam was the true religion. Though both sides failed to convince the other, they nevertheless worked out a mutually acceptable relationship, and entered a treaty of peace.

            The Treaty of Najran guaranteed to the Christians security for “their lives, their religion and their property”. It gave Christians freedom of religion,[16] stipulating that there would be no interference in the practice of Christianity, nor would any cross be destroyed. While the Christians were required to pay a tax (jizya) …

            Why would the Najran Christians pay Jizya to the Muslims unless it was under a threat of violence?

            There are reports that the second Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab ordered Christians of Najran to vacate the city and emigrate out of the Arabian peninsula, or accept a Jizya tax. However, the historicity of this is disputed, and there is historical evidence that Christians continued to live in the area for at least 200 more years. It may be that the orders of Umar were not carried out or might have applied only to Christians living in Najran itself, not to those settled round about. Some migrated to Syria, likely in the district of Trachonitis (the Lajat plain) and around the extant city of Najran, Syria; but the greater part settled in the vicinity of Al-Kufa in predominantly Christian Southern Iraq, where the colony of Al-Najraniyyah long maintained the memory of their expatriation.

            Why would the Najran Christians, as a community, leave their land and settle in Syria and Iraq unless they were expelled from their homes?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam A. Osman,

            The cases of the Jews of Yathrib is not a diversion, it demonstrates a pattern of behaviour by the Muslims, who were new comers to the area.

            The quotations I have related to one of the Jewish clans are here:

            The Banu Qurayza reportedly signed a treaty with Muhammad. According to Watt it is unclear whether or not their treaty with Muhammad, obliged the Qurayza to help him defend Medina or merely to remain neutral. Both Watt and Stillman believe that no special agreement existed between Muhammad and the Qurayza. Watt, however, does agree that the Qurayza had agreed not to support Muhammad’s enemies against him. Zafar Ali Qureshi, has criticized Watt’s assessment and approach to such incidents.

            In 627AD, Abu Sufyan, led an attack on Medina during the Battle of the Trench. The Qurayza did not participate in the fighting – according to David Norcliffe, but they lent tools to the Muslims, to defend themselves in Medina. The Qurayza were deeply offended by Muhammad’s recitation of revelations which criticized some Jews. According to Al-Waqidi, the Banu Qurayza helped the defense effort of Medina by supplying spades, picks, and baskets for the excavation of the defensive trench the defenders of Medina had dug in preparation. According to Watt, the Banu Qurayza “seem to have tried to remain neutral” in the battle but later changed their attitude when a Jew from Khaybar persuaded them that Muhammad was sure to be overwhelmed, making them doubt whether they should help and ally with Muhammad and though they did not commit any act overtly hostile to Muhammad, according to Watt, they entered into negotiations with the invading army to reach a settlement. Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal no. 22823 also mentions that the Qurayza allegedly helped Muhammad by turning down Abu Sufyan when he wanted their help to attack Muhammad, and that Abu Sufyan was not happy with them.

            What price did Banu Qureyza pay for staying neutral? Their places were besieged, made to surrender, all their adult males beheaded, and their women and children enslaved by the Muslims.

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Simon,

            As I can’t share a link, nor would want to paste a detailed account here. Do a simple wiki entry with Battle of the Trench look at the defence map and based on the account see if Banu Qureyza were really neutral.

            Another relevant wiki entry is Invasion of Banu Qurayza. The final judgement was left to a convert Jew, Sa’ad to decide on what to do and he administered judgement based on the Old Testament.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam A. Osman,

            Yesterday I posted a reply on Najran, but it is not here.

            Why did the Najran Christians start paying Jizya?

            Why did they leave their homeland and go to Syria and Iraq, unless they were exiled?

          • A.Osman

            Selam Simon,

            Check your disqus, recently I had a comment dissapear and it was showing as spam on disqus, you can unspam it or re-post by breaking it to smaller chunks. Or give me a lead and I will check it.

            Now you are taking me to Jizya, izia kolel kinbl ina. Jizya could not have been a reason as the move you are stating does not resolve the problem when both Syria and Iraq would have been under Muslim rule. I believe, the tax imposed by both Persian and Bizantine empires was much higher, otherwise, the swift expansion of Islamic domain and the demise of the two empire in short span is difficult to explain.

            Don’t forget Syria and Iraq were also the original ancestral homeland for some Christians in Najran as noted #1 except the locals who converted to Chritianity. I think some may have returned, as denominational intra-Christian persecution would have disappeared for luck of authority of one group over the other. Most remained put, as mentioned in my comment about Najran accord of 897 with considerable political weight, your assertion that they were kicked out holds no water, at least thus far. The reason for decline in later times, I have no idea…I assume that is what you could not share.

            Generally the relationship between Christians in the lands ruled by Muslims was much better than it is made to look. There were probably more intra-Muslim and intra-Christian wars/persecutions that between the two religions. Even under the Crusaders, more Christians suffered than Muslim, like what we observe nowadays with the impact of ISIS or similar militant groups.

            Side note – Read about hadith mutawatir to understand how the hadith collections are treated.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam A. Osman,

            Thank you for the suggestion.

            Jizya is not a diversion. I wanted to show that the Najran Christians must have became Dhimmis, second class citizens in a land captured and ruled or threatened with invasion by Muslims.

            Dhimmis pay Jizya for the safety of their lives and property, which is under constant threat and there are many restrictions on what they cannot or can do.

            So, you are saying they were influential. Maybe in some professions where they could have been useful, and until their usefulness lasted.

            I think the Najranis are native to Yemen. They are not originally from Syria or Iraq.

            I know that the Hadiths are based on a chain of ‘trusted’ narrations. Basically, they are oral traditions.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selam Simon:
            Did you follow the latest news about Trump and his Gang chasing Dr Fauci?
            I enjoyed Mark’s historical and one of its nature Facebook interview with Dr Fauci(65 Million viewers!).Did you?

            Simon declared:
            “Why do you want to build a Mosque in Axum?
            Axum is the center of Ethiopian and Eritrean Christianity. There is already St Mary of Zion, which is older than Islam”.

            Abdu answered in a few words saying:
            “Are there Tegaru Muslims in Tigray(Axum)?”
            “There is already St Mary of Zion, which is older than Islam”.
            “FYI”:
            St Mary is a Church,not a Mosque.
            As usual,your logic is fallacious and void of common sense.

            If there are Muslims in Axum,why wouldn’t they build a Mosque?

            If your argument was about Keren Muslims,who used to fight to build a Mosque in Keren Lailay including trying their best to confiscate the current site of St Michael Cathedral after 65 yrs of ownership by Catholics,and with literally zero Muslim Residents and surrounded by 4 Churches(The old St Michael,St George of Ghezabanda/Megarih),St Joseph and Santa Anna Churches,your argument would make some sense.

            The sad Keren saga was purely political with a divisive agenda to create enmity between the two Faithful(PFDJ’s Toxic agenda since this happened when a certain Muslim PFDJ Governor of Anseba/Keren was there).
            Apparently/allegedly,based on info coming from the locals,this divisive and toxic agenda is ongoing by trying to create an enmity between the Blen and Maria Tigre by same PFDJ Junta,allegedly pushing and encouraging the Maria Tigre to kick out Blen as “Immigrants” since the Maria Tigre are The original Settlers of Senhit”.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hope-less,

            There is only one place of worship in Axum. I am giving you a hint.

            Also, read my reply to Abdu below.

            And stay on topic, don’t bring Fauci the flip flopper.

          • Desbele

            Selam Samuel,
            #2.”There was a believe that the majority of Eritreans are pro government, thus they didn’t want to do against the majority support”
            Not rational and may be very poor assessment as thousands of eritrean refugees were pouring to Tigray every day.

          • Sultan M.G.

            San:
            Again I agree with you “ In Pri Cooke” but ate denying the flip-flopping stands of the TPLF and its elite and its destructive role in the name of regime change and to teach a lesson to the Eritreans”?

            Don’t you know that you are debating with well informed Eritreans?

            I wish it was as simple as you put it!
            The TPLF could have been the best and the strongest Ally of Eritrea and Eritreans if it has stood firm on its original stand but it has destroyed the trust (among Eritreans)due to its destructive actions for the last 20 yrs !
            From 1991-1997, most of us,Eritreans,were at the forefront in supporting the TPLF and Tegaru in every aspect…..across the globe.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            1991-1997 የውንብድና ዘመን ነበር::
            እርስዎም ጌታዬ እንደሚያውቁት ወንበዴዎች ሲካፈሉ እንጂ ሲሰርቁ አይጣሉም::

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            As expected you started very well and ended terribly bad.
            1-Tplf supported your independence to kick you out of the country.
            2-Tplf did everything to chock Eritrea to death.
            3-Some አፈቅቤ ልበጩቤዎች call it visionary leadership.
            4-እዋይ!

          • A.Osman

            Selam Berhe,

            Your analysis makes sense. When you read each player (EPLF, TPLF, Amhara, Oromo etc..) and see what combination/arrangement gives them much power, then it easier to read the politics of the 90s, now and even before.

            DIA claims to have criticised the Ethiopia federal arrangement when the constitution was drafted, as Eritrea was conveniently free of the Union. I believe had Eritrea been included, he would have opted for the Federal arrangement.

            Both Eritrea and Tigray as separate regions are on the peripheries within an Ethiopian context, with the sea giving Eritrea more leverage. An Eritrea with Ethiopia include would have caused much problem for TPLF, so it was a good riddance and a blessing in disguise for them. I believe there was the tactical move from TPLF to support Eritrean independence, but also from Meles interview we understand that they also wanted to avoid another round of exhausting war, rightly so. TPLF fared the most out of the arrangement with full military backing of EPLF to rule Ethiopia until it stood on its own feet. DIA was caged, as TPLF grew his influenced diminished……I suspect a secret plan for confederation agreed with Meles was used by TPLF to consolidate power only and DIA did not get his dream to rule Ethiopia, his bargain. The fall out must have led to the issuing of new currency, then was escalated to the senseless border war.

            Article 39 gives you a feel of the uncertainty on TPLF side to sustain power or at least the federal arrangement, giving Tigray an exit strategy if Ethiopia relapsed to the old rulers. During the rule of TPLF, any movement that entertained separation from Ethiopia was crashed as though that article was meaningless, just included to give all weaker region a sense of being real stakeholders that could walk away so they engaged in the federal arrangement.

            After Derg with TPLF and EPLF working together, for the Amhara elit it was a hopeless situation. To return to power, you see them working with DIA. Now the Oromo are also helping in diminishing the power of TPLF….all with their calculation to bring back the old mama Ethiopia, maybe even reinstate the monarch if they could.

            What I never got my head around is why TPLF purposely kept the Eritrean opposition weak, indirectly gave DIA a life support. Where they expecting a collapse so they could fold Eritrea back to Ethiopia?

            Strategically, Tigray should keep a good relationship with Eritrea in case Ethiopia did not suit, but TPLF did the opposite. Now as they mend the old problem, they are nor tempering the aggressive antagonistic politics of the Agazian groups. This is also puzzling, only if someone is contemplating a divide and rule, then bulldozing their way through to get what they want, it is madness in play.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Hashela

            Selam Samuel

            I said this in a number of occasions. TPLF hate Isaias because it believes he represents Eritrea. TPLF uses Isaias to channelize it hatred to everything that is Eritrean. You need some examples

            – Expelling 90,000 of Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean origin because TPLF does like the color of eyes
            -desecration of church and mosques in southern and western Eritrean
            – destruction of Eritrean martyrs cemeteries
            – destruction of hospital and administrative buildings in southern and western Eritrea
            – organized rapes
            This is well documented by independent parties.

            Is this an anomaly?
            No! If we look back over the last 140 years or so, Tigrayan elites and leaders caused the same destruction in Eritrea, including never ending cattle raids, rapes, taxation, desplacement, enslavement (in western Eritrea).

            You may say this is history.
            Well, one needs only to visit TMH and Aiga Forum to know vision Tigrayan elites have for Eritreans and Eritrea

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hashela,
            You have repeated a list of violations that many claim. I thing the court has a findings and details all violations. Would you care to support the claims above by referring to the court rulings. Most of the time such claims are presented to agitate for war and I am afraid the same agitation of 1998 is being repeated now. Pls verify your claims so that readers here make their judgement.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            I am more than happy to provide supporting documentaries and video links
            We have to wait until the weekend unless you make an exception for posting several links during week day

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            I do not make such arbitrary decision. We have a lot of weekends, it can wait. But please court decisions only because remember, “it was final and binding” 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saleh,

            If there is a clause in the ruling that says if both sides agree to make adjustments they could, don’t you think it is contradictory at least in appearance? But since it is an arbitrary ruling from an arbitration court (a judgement by a judge and not by the law) we can apply whichever works, hoping to get back our lost villages.

            Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            I agree with that and I have been advocating for face to face meeting to iron out the “disputed” villages issue. It took PFDJ to do just that with Abiy in a halfbaked deal and they are already having a buyer’s remorse. At this moment I am not interested in partisan interpretation as I suspected Hashela is doing. But he promised to educate us on that on the week end. Let’s wait for that.

            The problem is that partisan people are not interested in the villages if it’s not their ancestral village. Worse, the 1997 war drums are at it again. It’s deafening.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            “At this moment I am not interested in partisan interpretation as I suspected Hashela is doing”.

            I have no clue what you are talking about. My post did not touch the implementation and adjustment modalities of the EEBC ruling. You seem to comments on Amanuel’s comments that has nothing to do my comments.

            I understand that you don’t like my post. But that it doesn’t justify that you put in my mouth things I did not say. You have been doing this since the last two weeks or so. ስለ ማይራም ድዓሪት, get off my shoulder!!

          • Haile S.

            Haderka Hashela,

            While surfing through the several YouTube available medias, I stumbled into Eritrean Media Network. Please check one of its recent interview with a 108 years old lady from your village Hashela to read into some of the pages in the long hard won life of an Eritrean lady. You can also read into things that this humble lady suffered and didn’t say. ካብተን ብፋኑስ ደሊኻ ዘይርከባ ብዙሕ ዝር’ኣያን ውነአን ብልሕነተንን ምሉእ ብምሉእ ምስአን ዘሎ ኣደ እየን።

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            Thank you. ኣደይ ሓዳስ is an amazing woman with an unfading memory and encyclopedic knowledge. When the attacks get intense, you always bring up an uplifting story an memory that connects wirth my childhood. I still remember our dog and cat stories.

          • sara

            selam ato Haile,
            indeed she is very lovely old lady that have seen so many things at home and abroad and most of all lively with her stories.
            I know some one asked her if she can write as a book her stories
            but she said no…. she said she wants to narrate it her self to who ever asks but not to write it. she seems her stories are not worth writing as a book… but i hope one day she changes her mind.
            any way i am happy you brought this to the forum as many may learn to hear her stories … lady from keren tsaada.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Ustaz SGJ:
            Make sure we differentiate the paper based court proceedings from the actual and factual experience we Eritreans have gone through and suffered, probably Prof Hashela’s arguments!

          • Saleh Johar

            Sultan,
            So there are two court ruling? I didn’t know that but that’s is not AirPrint if one knows the PFDJ arguments. Is this your opinion or there is a reference to it I am curious to know.

            NB: I read Hashela comments.

          • Sultan M.G.

            SGJ:
            Prob we both misunderstood each other’s comments.
            Please read me again!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            “ Would you care to support the claims above by referring to the court rulings?”

            This is a very important question. Hashela must bring a court’s supporting claim. I have read the courts ruling nothing to that effect. One thing for sure was the 75,000 Eritrean deportee as reported as that time. And I have a deported relatives. I hope Hashela will not come with the Eritrean government’s report that are not verified by independent body. I know both sides claimed cases that are not provable. Now the burden of proof is on Hashela

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            Regarding TMH’s recent interviews, please watch Falfasa’s recent video. Have fun! Understandably, I cannot link it here today.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            I watched it. He is excellent

          • Samuel

            Selam Hashela,
            I am not going to get into historical narratives and wrongdoings of the past, we won’t agree on those historical narratives and wrongdoings. Thus, we don’t have to waste time on those because we don’t have facts that are independently verified. I am not denying any wrongdoings, but if we get into that you will find many wrongdoings from both sides.

            My center of discussion is on Eritrea independence. If you go back in 1991, think the interests of Eritreans then, do you think supporting Eritrea’s independence was a mistake? regardless of the motive of TPLF then, Eritreans were overwhelmingly for independent Eritrea, thus to criticize TPLF after 29 years is unfair. We have to be fair when we analyze the past.

            Every political entity has the interest of its constituency, TPLF did what is best for Tigray and Ethiopia. PFDJ did what ever they did assuming it will benefit their interest. After 29 years we don’t have to blame TPLF for the decision made by PFDJ, I think the blame squarely goes to PFDJ and Eritreans. Yes, TPLF has its own share of blame but don’t forget that Eritrea is a sovereign country.

            Thanks,

          • Hashela

            Selam Samuel

            TPLF had no choice but to accept Eritrea’s declaration of Independence.
            The liberation of Eritrea and its existence as a sovereign nation is not a gift from TPLF, PFDJ, and Isaias. It is a gift of Eritrea’s daughters and sons.

            The fault of TPLF lies in not realizing its strategic partner which is the Eritrean people and the Eritrea as a sovereign state. TPLF did and is doing everything to undermine Eritrean unity and sovereignty. To get rid of PFDJ, TPLF has 20 years to accept the EEBC verdict and resist from activities that undermine Eritrean unity. TPLF didn’t because its target is not PFDJ or Isaias but the sovereignty of Eritrea

          • Samuel

            Selam Hashela,
            I am not disputing that, I have said it many times Eritreans fought and declared their independence, period. Having this in mind:-

            I was responding to Berhe’s assertion —

            So the best thing for TPLF at that time (despite the majority wish of Ethiopians) it chose to move on with the independence of Eritrea so it can control Ethiopia.

            My point is, you can’t have both narration, regardless of TPLF’s motive in 1993, Eritreans were pro independence, they fought for it, they voted for it, they got what they fought for. What TPLF did was to support that, isn’t that the right position to have then?

            PFDJ failure today shouldn’t be justified by TPLF motive in 1993, we have to be fair when we analyze the past.

            Thanks,

          • Sultan M.G.

            Sam:
            You are “correct in principle” but we are talking about post 1993… until this hour!
            To be specific, from 5/1998-07/2020 and to be more specific, the last 22 yrs.
            There is a huge difference between talking and acting(saying one thing but doing the EXACT OPPOSITE)!
            The last 22 yrs proved the exact agenda of the TPLF and its elite on Eritra both,in its /their words abd actions!

          • Sultan M.G.

            Prof Hashela’s:
            “The TPLF hates IA coz they believe he represents gets a stronger Eritrea”!
            A hardcore fact, not just a” belief”!

            Add the following:
            -“The spinal cord of Eritrea, the Highland Christians”,who supports PIA, should be broken or paralyzed so as to paralyze PIA”!

            -“We wil not make a ceasefire until PIA resigns”, a message relayed by Haile DerruU’

            -PIA has been against the core agenda of the TPLF , the divide and rule tactic of ethnic based Federal system!

            -The TPLF recently declared that “PIA is the # 1 enemy of Ethiopia”,through its mercenary Agent , the Controversial Lidetu Ayalew !

            -PIA has been the ONLY competitor for the TPLF’s power hunger and struggle in Africa

            -PIA has been the only obstacle to their day dream agenda of creating Abay Tigrai and subjugating abd contriving Eritrea and Eritreans !
            -PIA has been the BACK ONE of Dr AAA and the Amhara Elite, the major enemies of the TPLF …

            Hence,per simple logic 101, PIA should go by all means possible in order for the TPLF to execute and achieve all of its dreams and Agenda!
            And the TPLF is CORRECT and right on the $$ from that aspect.

            Dr AAA and the Amhara elite have no choice but to pray to God day and night to keep PIA alive and stronger !

            Is that is good or bad for Eritrea?
            Very tricky but challenging question! .

            We Eritreans should consider the above facts when talking about removing IA now by making an Unholy Alliance with the same TPLF with the above proven agenda and dream in mind and make a careful,cautious as well as a JUDICIOUS and safer calculus!

            -Risk Vs. brevity ratio/ analysis
            -Pros and Cons
            -The end outcome /dividend for our National Security Interest
            -The unknown factor/ outcome
            Etc…
            Just my naive thought/ opinion!

          • Hashela

            ኣህለን ወድ ዕድ

            when you quote, please don’t modify the quoted statement.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Selamat Prof Hashela:
            I edited it…and quoted you verbatim.
            Apolgies…but the context was same.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            I think Logorrhea is treatable .

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I am afraid your over-active imagination is all over. TPLF is not shoving independence on anybody but their stand is consistent with the right of people’s choice. If the Eritrean people still opt for independence, TPLF supports it and equally if the Eritrean people elect to re-unite with Eritrea, it supports that choice as well. Again, TPLF’s stand is consistent with its political philosophy where the people and only the people are sovereign including respecting the right and choice of the people. Hope this clarifies further.

            Now, ብረጋዴር ጀነራል ካሳየ ጨመዳ in this Forum and the other absolute idiot guy ማሸላ are saying a lot of ሃለውለው where it is becoming an absolute bore to say the least.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            As you are convinced on TPLF stand on Eritrean sovereignty is, I
            think it would be nice to see their long standing conflict on the boarder and it’s resolution. Many high level TPLF members have been revising their stand on Eritrea sovereignty specially as it stands to access to the sea (f.g. General Tsadqan and few others, who are saying studied access to the sea (some former millitary leader forgot his name).

            Having said that:

            1) You have never said about the boarder decision and handing over Eritrean territories and TPLF to close that chapter permanently. Making a deal with them while we have unresolved issue is a disaster that is waiting to happen sometime down the road.

            2) On what you call “fringe elements”? Are they behind them or not? If not, what is stopping them from issuing a statement including denouncing them?

            3) Many in the opposition including Mesfin Hagos has said publicly TPLF had played a negative role in the Eritrean opposition by making them fight each other in the past 20 years that weakened them in their ability to fight the IA regime.

            This mystery no body is able to figure out, WHY? And they have never denied it or never explained WHY?

            What measures (positive) Eritreans have to see to trust TPLF long term plans for Eritrea?

            And do you think Eritreans involvement in the internal fight inside Ethiopia will be to the long term interest of Eritrea?

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            I am actually surprised you asked a question pertaining the Agazians and should the TPLF denounce them. It is their Constitutional rights to a Free Speech where the TPLF or any other power can not infringe upon their rights. If curious, there is no reason to second guess TPLF for their stand with respect to Eritrea is pretty clear.

            I agree that, Ethiopia has to agree to pull out of Badme for it is violating international rulings but for the Eritrean Opposition to focus on the border issue is missing the forest for the trees. The Eritrean Opposition should focus on why Isaias started the war in the first place if the border is any relevant at all. The most pressing issue is on how to save Eritrea.

            There is no reason to trust TPLF or not simply because, the alliance is of imperatives and necessities where whether they like it or not the Eritrean Opposition and TPLF need each other for they have a common enemy. It is as simple as that and that is precisely the reason Mesfin Hagos realized that he doesn’t have the luxury whether to trust TPLF or not and others are falling in line as well with the same conviction. It is a must!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            Let me tell you a short story. We have a cousin who was well connected with the regime / military and he did well in his business. Long story short, one time they come and collected him and throw him in jail. After 10 years, one of the generals who was making rounds saw him and he was released the next day. I don’t think he is known person other than by his close family and friends. When he is released, everything is quite.

            Few weeks ago, I was listening the broadcase on J-Studio (agazian guy who is based in Norway) and he told the story of the guy exactly. I didn’t even know the condition he was released, except we heard he is out. How can a guy in Norway knows such details…. He also tell the same storyh about many others who are victims of the regime.

            My guess is, this type of information is gathered from those who defect to Ethiopia and interviewed by TPLF intelligence. TPLF intelligence then feeding such information as a propaganda tool to gain trust among Eritrean public.

            Unless I am wrong, I believe Agaizian is the creation of TPLF. That’s the reason why I think they should publicly distance themselves if they have nothing to do with them. In case you haven’t noticed, this Agazian etc..has grown and accelerated in the past 2 years, since the peace deal and TPLF relocated to Mekelle.

            Israel would not negotiate with PLO because they would not publicly recognize them as a country even though they negotiate with them. If TPLF wants to have a relationship with the Eritrean people, it needs to publicly recognize and build trust with the people by ensuring and respecting the country sovereignty and territorial integrity.

            1) If the boarder / demarcation is not important (less important) why doesn’t TPLF get on with it? Why do you consider “not important” when you see from TPLF point of view, and you wonder why Eritreans see it important.

            2) Like I said before the Eritrean army are not IA army but forced Eritrean without their will. Eritrean opposition like Mesfin coming / using TPLF army to kill Eritrean soldiers is not justified by any means.

            3) I agree we should never open the agreement for any negotiation or dialog or what have you. When the boarder starts to be implemented on areas that’s not in dispute and pillars are put then and only then may be there will be some exchange here and here based on respect and wish of the people, government and experts. Before that, never because it will open Pandora box dealing with TPLF and giving it the benefit of the doubt. It’s the TPLF that needs to explain why in wanted to dialog and what it needs to dialog and for what reason.

            4) What are the Eritrean opposition can provide TPLF that it doesn’t have today? Why want to involve Eritreans on it’s fight with IA. If it wants to get rid of IA, let it go by it self and do what it needs to do. I think this is a ploy to invade Eritrea or start a conflict and use the opposition as a reason. Remember: Somalia? Melles said, the TFG had “clear and present danger” and invade it. And the reason, because it asked the Ethiopian military out of Somalia and it said, we are in Somalia by invitation of the temporary government, there for we have to invade Somalia and get rid of them.

            5) Can you give us one example of any country that the regime is changed by outside forces that’s able to stay stable and transition? Even countries that are saved by International organization or western countries are not able to maintain peace and order after they over throw dictatorial regime. It takes years and it creates choas that’s hard to control.

            6) TPLF coming to Eritrea, we should expect the mess it created in Somalia. Somalia is even spared because Ethiopia had no territorial ambition there, but Eritrea, it will be broken to pieces according to their formula.

            7) So we should never be part of this conspiracy and stay out of their problem. IA is not a threat to TPFL and he the day he invaded them, the day he will lose his power. He can laugh and sing make up with Abiy all he wants and it should not be TPLF problem as long as he doesn’t interfere in it’s affairs.

            For those of you who think change coming from TPLF is better than current situation, you need to check what happened to Somalia when TPLF invaded them in 2005. The country spend 10 years..plus to rebuild and I don’t know it is safe or better now before TPLF invaded them.

            Berhe

          • sara

            selam ato berhe,

            i have friend from somalia proper, who still have ugly memories of the atrocities they experienced when the xxxxx invaded their city .
            i always pray such thing not to happen to my country.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sara,

            In our case the fall out of that will likely be triple or quadruple with having contentious relations with TPLF and their territory ambition.

            In today’s world with failing of US leadership at global level, the world has become a play ground for many actors. In Libya for example, there is Turkey, Russia and the gulf states / SA all involving themselves in the affair. Same can be said in Yemen, Syria, Iraq and others in the Middle East.

            And what do we get in return ?

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam bera
            The thing is u can change ur name from berhe to Michael or Adriano or Ahmed but u will remain urself, the point is, it doesn’t matter tigrai become eritrea or ethiopia or tigrai or whatever, they will always be themselves, so changing name don’t matter, what matter is changing urself, ur living standards, ur views of the world, ur life style and so on.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            And your point is?:

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            The point is changing ur life style, life stranded, ur level of knowledge and etc is what matters.
            Djibouti or yemen will not be Dubai by just changing name, so stop wasting ur …..

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            Are you in your “yezorebet” mode today?
            What are you talking about?

            What’s got my lifestyle to do with what I am saying.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            I know u slow , it is not personal about ur … lifestyle, im talking about general issues which u guys obsessed with, agazian this , tigrai that, eritrea this, ethiopia that mambo jambo, if u pick one of 4 names and change ur name , u r still same, unless u change ur living standards or level of knowledge…… if u know what im saying.
            by the way ur bff isem said , bedema is no issue for pfdj(eri gov), if so, can u ask him whose issue is bedema now?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            I don’t know what you are saying, but I am pretty sure you have not read what I am saying.

            I will call my bff and tell him what said.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            In other notes, ethiopia’s water Minister said ethiopia started filling the gerd and satellite images show the filling is started and sudan water minister said there r 90 mcm water decrease per day of blue nile that comes from ethiopia and egypt still saying unilateral filling of gerd will have a consequence, what is that mean? Since u and paulos r expert on tribes and tribal issues:) , can u guys tell us what is egypt trying to say?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA.
            I am not an expert but I heard Ethiopia started filling GERD and I saw satellite images.

            I want to say congratulations, it’s a proud moment for Ethiopians and African people.

            I also heard, Ethiopia has signed to start another project with France.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            No need to congratulate, so u not expert on this issue, let us wait what others has to say about it including those experts on tella and mud (cheka) house contractor the likes of abi.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi TA,

            There is a zoom call with the Ethiopian ambassador to the UN I think, who was the chief negotiator for GERD on Saturday.

            You should attend and ask your questions you have.

            Berhe

          • mad mullah

            Hello Teodros,
            I know the question is meant for other people.
            I will tell you what Egypt is going to do. Absolutely Nothing.
            A lot of Sound and Fury signifying nothing…

          • Teodros Alem

            selam mullah
            Ok but why mad?

          • mad mullah

            Hello Teodros,
            what can they do really except a lot of barking in the hope Ethiopia backs down. There is nothing practical that Egypt can do. They know that. Arab countries are a lot of talk… ask the Israeli.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam mullah
            Now i know why u r mad, why would i ask isreal, i lived in egypt.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Teodros,
            Because the Israeli will tell you Arab countries just talk…
            If you have lived in Egypt then you should already know…
            Maybe if Anwar Sadat was around… Ethiopia would be concerned…

          • Teodros Alem

            selam mullah
            I will tell u isreal is nothing even for one ararb country with out the back up of the west specially US.
            don’t be mad and don’t generalize .
            ethiopia is sort of part of middle east( arab world) and ethiopia’s future is intertwined with middle east and africa .for the future this gerd (nile)will make ethiopia and egypt closer.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Teodros,
            Sometimes it is good generalize when you hearing noise. Egypt is just making noise. It would have served it right to negotiate and work with Ethiopia if it was concerned about sharing the Nile resource.
            They wanted to bark for local consummation and rattle their sword for international stage that doesn’t sound like someone who wants to have close and diplomatic relation.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam mullah
            U r somehow right? and i liked the gov of ethiopia the way they handling the issue, even i will say this gerd thing will somehow change other peoples altitude towards Africa positively. but generalizing is not right.
            This the last 2-3 months i have seen a lot of comedy egyption movies insulting ethiopia and sudan ,specially sudan.
            our fault for being dam, tribalist, jealous…..

          • mad mullah

            Hello Teodros,
            If you see a lot of comedy and movies insulting Ethiopia and Sudan… it starts from the Top. If the leadership sets the right tone, people and media will follow.
            Anyway Arab countries generally have a low view of African countries and people. I don’t need to remind you of the slave markets in Libya.
            Anyway, I am not Ethiopian but I can be proud that the 8 largest Dam is in world and largest Dam in Africa is getting built by neighboring country.
            That is what I call Gobezocracy…
            The Egyptian are just being denqorocrats…

          • Sultan M.G.

            Mad mullah:
            Save your time , energy and brain please!

          • mad mullah

            Hello Sultan,
            What are you trying to tell me? This is good conversation. I am exercising all my mind and energy…
            It is not Naguib Mahfouz but interesting..

          • mad mullah

            Hello Teodros,
            With all respect to our Senior Citizen- Egypt is not going to be sending troops across Sudan. Mesfin is recalling “great battle” memories…
            Dr. Abiy got everything under control..

          • sara

            selam ato berhe…
            i know what you are saying… i live in the neighborhood and feel the effects of those interventions… leave libya ,iraq, syria, yemen etc
            even close by see what has happened to south sudan… that new country , it cant hold by itself after separating from sudan, and guess what … according to many in sudan the main culprit was the xxxxx
            involvement as peace keeper and reconciliation advisor xxxxxx.
            south sudan is a fractured new country and there is no sign of any stability after all the efforts by many.
            the one entity that loves fragmentation of state ala somalia is that
            entity we all know now in hiding.
            so all what you are telling is true.

          • sara

            selam berhe,
            why go too far , see what is happening in our closeby neighborhood, foreign intervention is the litmus for a failed state.
            i worry, a lot when i see what is happening even in sudan right now,
            remeber the differnt entities active there who are supported by foreigners. in some parts of sudan you will feel the NGO’s are
            part of the government. that i dont wish the same for my country.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            I quote: “Can you give us one example of any country that the regime is changed by outside forces?”

            Yes, the Tanzanian Military and anti-Amin Ugandan forces overthrew the Ugandan dictator Idi Amin, in 1979. The Uganda-Tanzania war took 7 months. Two days later a coalition government of former exiles took power. Just one example.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            I am glad to see you back. Again, I am sorry for your loss.

            Thank you for getting back to me. I should never say there isn’t a country that was able to transition peacefully but the chances of that happening is almost zero or a very, very low probability.

            I would like to see more example if you have so it will give me a better perspective but I don’t think the situation in Uganda is quite the same what we have in Eritrea. I will get back to you tomorrow as I need to do something right now.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Your question is simple and is straightforward. I gave you a simple and a straightforward answer. I don’t know why you asked that question then.

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Emma,

            I think Berhe was trying to say TPLF is not TPDF. Anyway he has promised to come back on it tomorrow.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Berhe Tsaida:
            I love you buddy!
            You pinpointed things in a crystal CLEAR WAY than any one can do or could have done .
            Your point by point analysis is but close to perfect;and not only reasonable fear of the unknown but a factual one !
            The TPLF and it’s supporters/ elite have repeatedly declared openly what they want when it comes to Eritrea!
            It is public!Those, who(m) you are trying to convince are the same ones with the same TPLF Agenda!
            Fool me once, shame on YOU;fool me twice Shame on ME!
            This is not a Rocket Science but so obvious and gross, which a second grader Eritrean can figure out!
            The analogy made or an example brought by Prof Amanuel Hidrat is completely unrelated,IRRELEVANT and incomparable!

            Some here, including Prof Amanuel Hidrat suggested an IGAD Army ( Read: TPLF ARMY)to invade Eritrea so as to change the regime !
            I believe the intention and the end goal is same :
            Some how to invade Eritrea and reverse its Independence and/ create the
            desperately andvurgently needed Abay Tigrai!
            If the new propaganda of making an Alliance is to beg the TPLF Army to overrun Asmera and to change the regime and hand it over to Gen Mesfin and believe that the same invading Army will make a U-turn to Mekele, then we are either very childish and naive and/or part of and parcel of the conspiracy and agenda of reversing the Eritrean Independence!

            To trust these back-stabbing guahalu despite of what they have said and done and are doing to us on a day light ?

            Kando Eritrawiyan kisab kindizi down weridna, hopeless quenna bissenkki hade Seb?

            Tehatsibka nab chikka?

            Huwki Lette!

            Yelekhullan!

            THANK you for echoing the firm position of few of us here including that of Teg Eng Mahmuday Saleh, Hope, Blink, Nitric Semere Tesfay, Prof Dr Gheteb and few other reasonable Eritreans!

          • iSem

            Hi Paulo:
            I have not read deeply the discussions but I have some idea and here is my comment no just for you

            The opposition or any person who is rational to my mind should not blame TPLF for Saying put in Bademe and besides it is negligible area, it does not stop life in Eritrea. It is none-issue. Even PFDJ and the most robotic supporters have stopped talking about Badme.
            The existential problem for Eritrea is PFDJ besides we should blame PFDJ ands its supporters who have other motives against the sovereignty of Eritrea should be blame for giving Badme to PFDJ before they came to power by displacing Amhara speaking killers by Tigrinya/Tigrayit/Arabic/Kunama/Afar/ Blien/Saho/Hidrab/Nara speaking killers and lying about so called independence.
            And also we should blame PFDJ and its supporters for not defending and liberating Badme during the ware of 1998. They could not but they squandered 20,000 lives
            So this TPLF must respect international law and withdraw from Badme is distraction. They are there because they can, they are there because EPLF gave I to them, they are there for reasons of their national interest. I have said it before and I say it again Even if they withdraw tomorrow, the life of an Eritrean of death, rape, repress son will not change. The Badme is Eritrean, and it going. It good thing actually that they are there, Eritrean can easily escape to Tigray as their own country is danger to them
            It is not bout trusting TPLF, we cannot trust them all the time, but sometimes our interest might be aligned with theirs and right now the interest of Eritreans (by Eritreans I do not mean those who have Eritrean citizenship but are committing treason like PFDJ supporters) is to get rid of PFDJ, before their plan of depopulating Eritrea succeeds.
            This Border thing is ridiculous as the notion when Eritreans escape they abandon their guns because they belong to martyrs and they end up herded by one Rashaida wielding a stick. Even PFDJ and IA has abandon demarcation of the border after IA supplicated to Abiy as our leader
            The opposition has a lot problem, but the biggest problem to my mind is that they have not defined IA, PFDJ and its supporters as the existential l problems to our sovereignty, to our wellbeing and existence, until they do they will talk about silly things about borders occupation that does not exist, about reforming PFDJ, about trussing or not trusting TPLF.
            I worry about the TPLF running Eritrea not the TPLF running Tigray
            If the opposition organizes itself in a united form and access with evidence that right now at this time, our interest matches that of TPLF and if we find out that TPLF wants PFDJ out, there it is negligence, dereliction of duty not work with TPLF to weedout PFDJ. then when TPLF ‘s interest changes, so will ours
            TPLF as far as I know have not change their stand on Eritrean. I cannot read what is on their hearts, some here seem to know, so please tell us. But IA and PFDj have changed their stand on Eritrea independence. IA talked about confederation as far 1993, and he talked about Abiy as our leader in 2018

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            The problem is that, if people oppose having TPLF involved in getting rid of our dictator you automatically label them for:

            1) Supporting IA and his regime
            2) Supporting IA and the crimes he is committing in Eritrea and Eritrean people.
            3) Assuming people are insisting that Eritrea should have the owner ship of Badime over everything else.

            None of this is true. You guys bring this up, to make a case. Badime can stay in TPLF for as long as it needs to be, until there comes a government in Ethiopia, Tigray or what have, who is willing to live in peace with Eritrea. Eritreans will not pay any blood to fight over, as we have other priority (urgent).

            In my case, what I am saying is, Eritreans should overthrow the PFDJ regime in our own, without relying TPLF.

            You and Paulo and others who support the involvement of TPLF and your arguments should be.

            Eritreans are not capable of overthrowing IA in our own. Therefor we need TPLF to do it for us. Let’s pay what ever price we need to pay, includigng the death of our young people and the destruction of our country.

            And we hope after the war is over and IA is removed, the TPLF will hand over our country to us, just like the British did for Ethiopia when they restored HS after the removed Italy.

            And the TPLF are doing this for us without asking anything back in return but they want to go to heaven (ክጸድቁን ክምረቑን፡፡ ሓቂ ድአ:).

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:

            I was sure of what I wrote, i, e, I did not say your 3 numbered poits, but I reread my comment again. like Badme, your comment addressing my comment is irrelevant because the first (Badme) does not address the Eritrean existential problem though people harp about it endlessly and your comment does not address my comment.
            Can we stick to the comments I made and who are “you guys?” and I also I did not bring Badme, I think Paul said that TPLF must leave Badme to respect international law, so I did not bring it up

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            Ok I will read again, may be I misread you.

            Berhe

      • Abi

        Paul
        As expected you got it half wrong .
        The Eritrean people got in the way and prohibited Isu from becoming president of the two countries combined. Now, you are paying dearly for the cardinal sin. This being the major reason, the fact that weyanes showed him the door is also another factor in the equation. Isu is determined to punish both.
        As I said before, I was hopeful that he will keep Ethiopia intact and be president. That was in the early days of the independence hoax. As you know I used to be a big time unionist who truly believed in the United Ethiopia with Eritrea as a ጠቅላይ ግዛት.
        Now that I learned enough about Eritreans and their collective attitudes towards Ethiopia, I like to see a huge wall between them.

        • Saleh Johar

          Ras Abi,
          Don’t despair. God forbid you might end up having more walls in Ethiopia than you wished for. I pray not to see that happen. You know masons do not stop once they start building walls. But from each according to his ability, to each according to his wish 🙂

          • Brhan

            Hi Saleh,
            As you have said it in one of your articles here in awate.com Ethiopia of today is totaly different from “Ethiopia of the past”. He is living in the later: Amhara Ethiopia obssesed with the ports of Eritrea. I do not think his GPS know where the Oromo, Afar, Somali or Beni Shangul & etc Kilil are. In addition it seems his Western country’s city and not today’s Ethiopia a perfect place for him to continue his day dream which won’t come true.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            My GPS shows that the road is clear all the way to Assab. The estimated arrival time is about two years.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Abi,
            I thought your big wall should block your view. You are sounding like Trump, few days a week 🙂

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Technically you can, if you are married to an Eritrean.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Some time ago ጊንጡ Ghetub told እባቡ አቢ there was a drama during the affluenza times titled ሳልሳዊ ወራር where Eritreans were discouraged from marrying Ethiopians . You are preparing yourself for አራተኛው ወረራ. Watch out!!!
            Thanks again ጊንጡ Ghetub. You are missed at Awatenation.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Thanks for your kind wishes.

        • Selam Abi,

          What is the real fear for eritrea? Should it be the fear of reunion with ethiopia or the danger of being swallowed whole by the python tplf? The second should be its greatest fear, because it doesn’t come only from the outside, from tplf alone, but the ground is being prepared by some pro-tplf eritreans themselves.
          Sometimes i think that there is a conspiracy of those who are half tigrayans and half eritreans from both sides, whom you can’t tell with certainty who is who, working for the so-called tigrai-tigrini or greater tigray project. Ethiopia is brought to the scene mainly to distract people, so that their attention will be somewhere else. In my opinion, the independence of eritrea is much more in danger from tplf and its eritrean supporters than from ethiopia in any form. Ethiopia has her hands full with her own problems to ask for more troubles. For sure they will continue to present ethiopia as the bogeyman.
          IA is a narcissist. He will never accept to become second in anything imaginable. His hate for tplf emanates mainly from the fact that they put him in a small pond for his big size after using him, while they took ethiopia for themselves, a bigger country. In addition, ethiopians will never accept IA as their leader.
          Therefore, IA ruling ethiopia or eritrea uniting with ethiopia are not going to happen in the near future, at least. In the future, out of necessity, maybe the economy and security may force them to have some sort of relations, provided eritrea is saved from the claws of tplf.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            You asked “what is the real fear for Eritrea?”
            Definitely not Ethiopia .
            The real danger of Eritrea is Tplf thugs and their activists who disguise themselves as Eritreans.
            These worshippers of Meles, the visionary leader, and the no nonsense Getachew Asefa are the real and present dangers of Eritrea and Ethiopia.
            እነዚህ ኤርትራ ተወልደው ያደጉ የወያኔ ስርሮች ናቸው የኤርትራ ነቀርሳዎች::

          • Nitricc

            The real danger of Eritrea is Tplf thugs and their activists who disguise themselves as Eritreans.

            Hey Abi; this is the very truth-zest you ever said. However; depends how Eritreans handle the Tigryans that want to be Eritreans. From what I can see, the Tigryans are desperate, easily manipulated and confused; under such favorable conditions; it is advantageous for Eritreans to sway the Tigryans in to Eritrea’s benefits. For one, Eritreans can use the Tigryans as dependable
            buffer to anything that comes from your side while keeping them at their domain. You know! Your side can never be trusted. The right formula is needed that Eritrea must develop and implement. I believe there are few.

          • Abi

            General
            I totally agree that An independent Tigray Kingdom will be a dependable buffer to anything that comes from the south.
            The right formula is to build a wall between the two countries for a lasting peace.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Horizon.
            A bitter truth we have to swallow!

          • Selam Sultan,

            Cooperation of countries of the region is a must, if they have the wish to get out of the quagmire they are in for decades. The absence of political freedom and economic life that has been made to stagnate has made things worse than they would have been. The last rapprochement with borders open and trade starting to flourish, showed the possibilities that exist. But it was nipped in the bud.
            Federation is not something that should follow any sort of rapprochement, nor do i believe that IA wants to annul the independence he fought for. Federation is not the topic of the day. It is peace and economic cooperation these two countries need more than anything else at this stage.
            The second choice is playing with fire with the known consequences. Replacing one dictator with a new master is not a solution, but returning to square one, which nullifies all the sacrifices paid.
            How to revive the economy, in my opinion, should be the first goal. Why should one fear economic cooperation? Why IA doesn’t strive for that, I don’t understand. Does the economic well-being of the people undermine his power? I don’t see why.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Horizon:
            I cannot agree more but can you CC that to the Eri Opp now led by Gen Mesfin Hagos, the very true person, who used to have irreconcilable position with the sameT PLF now he is “ sleeping with”?
            The hot topic now about the premise and argument make a Tactical and/or Strategic Alliance with the TPLF or any entity that can help Eritreans o remove the despot then….
            But Eritreans need to make a PRUDENT, JUDICIOUS and CAUTIOUS preparation before making any Alliance with any entity let alone with the TPLF with known agenda on Eritrea!
            This Alliance with the TPLF saga is not new here and among the so called “Eri Opposition Groups”!
            I see some here are smiling !

          • Selam Sultan,
            Sorry, i have no idea who the person is. Nevertheless, a person who becomes bed fellow with his former enemies while nothing has changed, is not to be trusted. We have been saying in this forum that eritrean problems should be solved by eritreans themselves, because it is the truth. Outsourcing the responsibility of regime change to any power outside the country, especially a power you can’t trust, is equivalent to invasion of a sovereign country. It will be rejected by eritreans and the world community.
            You may remember that there were people in this forum in the past who were prescribing similar measures, i.e., tplf ethiopia to invade eritrea to depose IA. At the end, one could understand that they were in actual fact working for tplf.
            The power vacuum created in eritrea will be filled with a puppet who will serve tplf’s interests. It doesn’t mean that the person is not aware of tigrai-tigriini or the greater tigray dream, and its ramifications for eritrea. Therefore, any agreement with tplf or another force to bring about regime change in eritrea is a faustian contract eritreans shouldn’t enter.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Horizon:
            You are spot on but as I said above,Eritreans might be giving up since they could not tolerate the 25 yrs old status quo of misery…and stagnation.
            It is natural to act unaturallt when you are desperate!
            I hope we are not there
            If so, it is our own failure for being indifferent or silent for 50 yrs , not just of IA (for failing to STOP him)!
            Delayed diagnosis of a disease with secondary complications is but a malpractice !
            Even if the disease is cured , the suffering due to the delayed/ missed Dx, is still a malpractice!

          • Selam Sultan M.G.,

            The silent majority within eritrea is not as silent as you might think. Simply, they are surviving the day until the right time comes.
            Change seems to have been abandoned when eritreans chose to run away instead of staying put to face their nemesis. The ethiopian factor played a role, because the regime exploited the danger that comes from ethiopia if people revolted. Now, another factor has popped up, tplf.
            Are there reasons for revolt for political change in eritrea looking at the political and economic situation on the ground. There are many social groups including the military within eritrea that are disappointed with the status quo, and yet they don’t rise up against the regime. In addition, this is a very fatigued nation. The old are old and they don’t have the physical power and the young see their parents and they ask themselves, what have their parents gained for their sacrifice and what do they expect to gain, and they chose the easiest solution.
            Even then those who have remained behind can bring change, if somebody dares push the button.
            The million dollar question is what sort of eritrea does the regime want to leave behind? What if IA lives another twenty years into his nineties like Mugabe. That will be a disaster. Nevertheless, change is spontaneous, and it comes when most unexpected, as long as the right criteria are on the ground.
            The Neway brothers couldn’t depose HS in the sixties, because the majority of ethiopians were not ready. On the contrary, in 1974, students, workers, farmers, the military, almost all social groups were ready for change. It was spontaneous. The military mutinied and HS was deposed. A similar thing happened in 2018, and in sudan as well.
            Therefore, the door that leads to change by eritreans for eritreans is not locked hermetically forever as we might think. Nevertheless, inviting a force you can’t kick out later whenever you want, is a grave mistake that will be gravely paid. My 2 birr worth.

          • Saleh Johar

            Horizon,
            whatever your goal or reason is, today I think I agree with you. Indeed, people might not be ready but the situation is ripe. And in that is an incentive for people to ready. My worry is, if the Ethiopian internal issues are not resolved, cross border spill off is certain. That’s why we have to look into it as one wholesome problem, ethnic agitation does not help at all. In fact is has the ability to undo whatever change might come by. Toning down is wise and prudent.

          • Selam SJG,
            The political and social instability in ethiopia that is the result of ethnic politics has reached a stage where the ethiopian government has decided to face head on those who trade in instability, be it tplf or oromo ultranationalists. It has shown that it can control those who think they are untouchable and behave as if they are above the law, people like jawar, bekele g, and others, by putting them in prison for the first time. Therefore, one shouldn’t bet on long term unrest in ethiopia. The grace period for those extremists seems to have expired. I think that the time has come when ethiopians are saying enough is enough to every opportunistic and reckless political group.
            Finally mutual mistrust will continue for long among the peoples of the region, unfortunately. It is one of the reasons for political and social stagnation and the absence of progress.

          • Saleh Johar

            Horizon,
            We were okay so far. But accusing everybody else and forgetting Fanno is not fair. your are all at it. We saw it happen to the Tigrayans after Abiy came to power. Now it is the Amhara/Oromo turn, still these are not the only ones and you know it. It’s a social problem and trying to limit it to a few people is neither true nor a solution. It’s a social problem and if you do not accept that, I don’t think you are ready to resolve it as a nation.

          • Selam SJG,
            Queerro or fanno, I have no problem with any one of them. It is not queerro or fanno that is killing men, women and children, slaughtering the throats of people like isis, or hanging upside down dead bodies, or pulling them in the streets, but those who have hijacked what both have achieved. Rather, it is the group that is controlled by jawar, bekele g. and other extremists, that is carrying out the savagery in oromia, as we saw repeatedly. Jawar had said in the past, we will cut their throats because we are the majority, and his followers are doing it today in Arusi. Therefore it is not about queerro or fanno, but about extremists in the hands of Oromo ultranationalists doing their bidding. Injustices have happened in other killils, but not to the extent we see in oromia.
            How can it be a social problem when ordinary ethiopians have no problem whatsoever if the person next door is an Amara, an Oromo, a Tigre, etc.? There are many examples of Oromo neighbors saving the lives of their Amara neighbors. It is politics that is killing people when assassins are transported from one area to the other by politicians to commit their crimes. It is not neighbors who are killing each other. On the contrary, they are saving each other.
            Ethiopians used to live together, get married, etc, irrespective of their ethnic identity until 1991, and today Oromo extremists are killing those who speak a different language and even Oromos who do not agree with them, like the poor artist HH, and many more, similar to what happened in Rwanda. Ethiopians have lived for centuries together, why has it become impossible since 1991? Shouldn’t we condemn all anti-people conspiracies, hate mongering, killings and destruction, wherever they may come from? Does it matter if the crime bosses are few in number or many, or if they are committed by one ethnic group or other?
            Ethiopian ethnic or religious groups do not hate each other, for they have lived together for centuries. It is extremists Oromo ultranationalists and others who have poisoned the relations of people that we see horrendous crimes in oromia. Such anti-peace individuals may be found in all ethnic groups, but we have not yet seen the types we have seen in oromia. I see no reason why such people should not be condemned wherever they come from. These few people, as you call them, have done much more harm to destabilize and destroy the country than anybody else.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            Don’t you think that there could be some Ethiopianist groups who are working to create ethnic related instability to prove their case which is “ethnic federalism is bad for Ethiopia”?
            I have never seen you criticizing ESAT and the like media for their contribution on ethnic tensions, they were propagating hate propaganda for years (I hope you remember 5% vs 95% narrative), don’t you think they should be held responsible? I don’t see you mentioning them or holding them accountable for their actions.

            Thanks,

          • Selam Samuel,
            Is it necessary to commit horrendous crimes to prove that ethnic federalism is meant to divide people, weaken and disintegrate a country? Rwandan genocide occurred because of ethnic division brought by the belgian colonialists, and the crimes committed in the former yugoslavia were ethnic and religious in nature.
            You may not believe it. It doesn’t matter. I don’t remember to have watched a single program on ESAT. Don’t ask me why. It simply happened. I watch ethiopian news on the so-called z-habesha and other international sites.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Bingo Horizon!

            Exactly my point ;and thanks for saying it in bold but simple words !
            Even his Excellency, SGJ, firmly agreed with you!

            “ Bo Ghizie le kullu”, maletih new Aydele?

            “ Be patient since SEVEN days can sound SEVEN years but SEVEN years can turn into SEVEN days through the Lord’s eyes and plans”( Simplified)!
            Courtesy of Kidus Dawit Mezemmir!

            A young and down to earth Ye Addis Lij Amichie Intellectual Pentecostal told me EXACTLY what you said when I met him in Chicago few years ago!
            “ The Eritrean people are fully aware about the PFDJ Regime and it’s chaotic and reckless policies but have no choice but to patiently wait until the right time and opportunity arrives”!

            “ Until that opportune time,”Kab Zeitifelto MelAkh, Etifelto Seytan yihayyish”!

            “A Devil you know very well is better than an Angel you have no clue about”!

            True but we have run of patience and time.., as human beings!
            I was ( have been)consoled by his Prophetic and full of HOPE words( “HOPE” is/was someone’s nick from that perspective, I guess)!
            Kristian TESFA aykortim aydele endiie yemitilut?
            I thought it was you,Horizon, who told me that in Chicago!
            But as human beings,60 yrs of nonstop misery is beyond a human being’s tolerance and patient, the reason why we Eritreans are sounding and acting as such/ desperado,God forbid!

          • A.Osman

            Selam Horizon,

            We need to consider the geopolitical factor that pushes economies/regimes to the brink…
            – Impact of the 1973 oil crisis on HS rule….from memory you had the taxi protest in Addiss and some soldiers protesting for luck of provision….
            – 1991 collapse of USSR being the end Derg
            – 2018 food crisis initiated many global uprisings, Sudan as you mention was one of them….we probably lost an opportunity there.

            Eritrea is ripe for regime change, somehow DIA has been quick to read dangers and align to regional games, while the opposition has not even been in the picture. The only entity that has engaged Eritrean opposition was TPLF when in government and now out it. However, the support it is giving now raises more questions that any hope for change.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            I think the economic cooperation should be the main thrust of the Eth. Gov. policy. Politics being what it is, must be kept as non-interventionist as possible.
            There was a time I believed in unity, even if it was federation (con-federation) of sorts to maintain the level of strength of the country vis-a- vis the neighborhood.
            At Awate, I learned that there are a lot of people on the Eritrean side who strongly believe that they don’t belong in that place. Why should Ethiopia mug these people by force to become citizens.
            It should never be tried in any form again.
            I now believe each country is relatively stronger by themselves than being together as one. Let each country solve their own indigenous problems instead of adding various dimensions of intractable chasm to the whole.
            As mad mullah said, let the future generations asses their positions and come up with what is best for everyone.

            Mr. K. H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            No interaction between the two countries is the best solution. You and I learned the same lessons in Awate. Eritreans don’t need to do anything with Ethiopia. This is a fact and should be clearly communicated to Ethiopians.
            Build the Wall!
            Problems solved.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጀታው፡

            እኚህ እያቄም ሃና ምን ነካቸው ?
            መለስን በመለስ ያስተካቸው ?

            እኔ መስለውኝ ነበር ወዳጅ ይሄን ሁላ
            ለካስ ጠላት ተመኙብኝ በስተኋላ

            ይገርማል

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እያቄም ሃና የአንኮበሩ
            መፍትሄ ሲያማትሩ
            መለስን ላንተ ሲቸሩ
            ሳይሰስቱ ሳያማክሩ
            እንዲለዝብ ክርክሩ

            መለስን ተክተው በመለስ
            አማኑኤል የልቡ እንዲደርስ
            እንዲገዛ ከመረብ መልስ
            ያመቀውን ሊተነፍስ
            ተቀበለ በምስጋና
            የአንጀቱ ደረሰና!
            የእውር ነገር መች ያይና
            ሳያስተውል ሳያብላላ
            Visionary ይለዋላ!!!

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            እያቄም እና ሃና የእየሱስ-እናት ማርያምን ወለዱ
            የኛው እያቄም ሃና በኤርትራ ሕዝብ መለስን ፈረዱ
            ከ 2020 ዓመተ ምህረት በኋላ በዛብን ጉዱ።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እነ ሃና ሲዋደዱ
            ልጅ በልጅ ሲወልዱ
            ምድሪቱን ሲሞሏት የአብርሃምን
            ቃሉን ሲፈፅሙ የአምላክን

            የኛው ሃና ከመከሙ
            በነገሩ ቢገረሙ
            መፍትሄ ቢሹ እንዳቅመኛ
            የጠመመ ከመጋኛ
            አማኑኤል ተቀበለ ከመለስ ጉያ ሊተኛ

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I think you like to twist things to fit your narration. Let’s live in peace as good neighbors would do by respecting each other boundaries as two separate countries.

            The rest ideas like integration, federation, confederation, is all pre-mature and I think we both need to establish institutions and rule of law in both our respective countries.

            You tell us everyday, Ethiopia will take over Asseb and some other Ethiopians tell us, they will take over the rest of Eritrea….it’s always a threat and that’s what we don’t want.

            As to the people who want to live side by side and interact with each other…let them be and do what ever they wanted. Walling them because you the people do not want to submit, is not a good reason.

            How is it so hard to keep similar relationship like you have with the rest of your neighbors. We like you and we still want to kick your bu…t in soccer:).

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Don’t listen to other Ethiopians in regards to your country. They don’t have a clue as to what they are talking.
            Listen to your brother ልዑል ራዕሢ አቢ. All He needs is avoid all interactions between the two countries including port usages until we get our port back.

            We like you too!
            Stay with your cycling 🙂

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            We will come after you for the track and field, we are already third. Here is a bet, Eritrea will win the Africa Cup of Nations before Ethiopia does.

            You know “build the wall may not be a bad idea” because it will help your leaders focus internally without looking externally.

            Eritrea will be fine. We want only the Ethiopian tourists and you can keep the politicians and the trouble makers.

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Berhe Y.,

            Did you know, Ethiopia was the African Cup winner in 1962?
            I didn’t see it live but the Radio was blaring. Do you know who we beat in the Final? Egypt 4 to 2 in overtime. A great day. Even those who didn’t know the game or disliked it were super fans.

            The 4 Eritreans on the team the Golie. #1.Gila, #4 Berhe # 9 Luchiano #10 Italo.

            I don’t think that Cup will come to Ethiopia or Eritrea any time soon. The west Africa and the North Africa have the monopoly now.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            Berhe is talking about video games.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi K.H.

            I know, my father talks about all this life. He knows all the names of the line up. Not to mention they had 8 Eritreans in the line up.

            I just like to get on Abi case:)

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            What are you guys talking about? All the players in that team were Ethiopians.
            Berhe, stay with girls’ soccer. This is not your league:)

          • Nitricc

            9 Eritrean Ethiopia was African Nations Cup champion back in 1962 when it fielded 9 Eritrean star players in its squad. About half a century since then, that sole historic victory stands momentously and remains the only Ethiopian African Nations Cup trophy to date.

            Hi Kim I see your beloved TPLF thugs thought you deceit very good. As you can see, all you had to do is just Google and you shall find the truth. Did you see how the thugs destroyed you within?

            The 4 Eritreans on the team the Golie. #1.Gila, #4 Berhe # 9 Luchiano #10 Italo.

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You and I ልብ ለልብ:)
            I agree with you except the Ethiopian tourists visiting Eritrea part. Eritrea doesn’t have enough ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ hotels and first class services to accommodate the high demanding Ethiopian tourists.
            Application denied. Final decision!

          • sara

            selam ato abi,
            you are right… good fence makes good friends. and neighbors… is wise idea
            i appreciate your wisdom…

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            የቐንየለይ ሃፍተይ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            You are one of the few sensible forumers who speaks about issues as they see it. Now I found a statement that I wish to see it in my country. You saw what kind of a leader Eritrea needs. You have said “Eritrea needs a Meles (type) than Abiy”. First Abiy is unfit for any kind of leadership. But I wish we had a Meles type than the despot we have who brought misery and death to my people. Just look what Meles’s administration has brought to Ethiopia, in his tenure as PM – the number of universities, the number of hospitals, the number of new infrastructures (roads, railways, dams), the opening of new industries including two industrial parks (in Tigray and Southern kilils), the economic growth ( a 10% growth every year in his last 10 years of his tenure), and many more. Above all he was a leader for the poor Ethiopians. He is a leader who gave a new stature to his country in the international community. All this outcomes require a visionary mind

            Now convert all this “developments and changes” he brought for Ethiopia in Eritrea with the resources we have (the ports and minerals), Eritrea would have been the economic engine and source of stability in the region. But, but,…. wishes are wishes and to convert them we need an exemplary leader like him. Eritrea has a leader who turns our hopes in to a nightmare. Now watch the bullets will come from all corners of the forum, as they always do when I raise his name.

            Regards
            A. Hidrat

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I agree with you and let us deploy our iron dome for the sure incoming.
            There is one difference of opinion between you and I in regard to PMAA. I don’t think we need a strong “dictator” leader at this time in our history. I think PMAA with patience, tireless pursuit of consensus and building of that preferred stable movement will usher in the desired outcome. Even the most recent instability was handled well in my opinion. There is a special strength needed in the way he is leading. As he said once….it is easy to kill to reach a goal but the cost is tremendous. (Mengistu..PIA)

            I am glad you took my wish of “Meles” on Eritrea in the right spirit I meant it. I might have to deal with Nitricc later.
            Meles was the right person at the right time for Ethiopia. In spite of his excesses, his leadership lifted Ethiopia to be able to stand up to Egypt toe to toe today, with Ethiopia in a more favorable position.
            If you remember, Ethiopians from all corners and social groups wept as if they lost a family member. Such is the wisdom of the common people.

            Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            I am afraid you are confusing inaptness for patience.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Kim Hanna,
            You make an excellent observation. The reality is Dr. Abiy is different kind of leadership. If you are accustomed to Meles, Menguistu, Haile Selassie you will find Dr. Abiy approach unusual.
            One thing you have to say is Dr. Abiy is new type of leader. He is responding to a generational shift.
            You might notice a lot of things happening in Ethiopia and that is not a sign of its fragility or weakness. He has opened society and freed political prisoners and it is natural reaction. The news and media swing might seem like someone hand gesture as they conduct an orchestra.
            He is speaking the language of his generation. In 10-15 years, he might be considered a trans-formative leader.

          • Samuel

            Selam mad mullah,
            You said —

            One thing you have to say is Dr. Abiy is new type of leader. He is responding to a generational shift.

            Dictatorship shouldn’t be considered as new type of leader, it is an old way of ruling. Today, Abiy has the absolute power, there is no pluralism in the country. How long he will stay like this remains to be seen, but as of today Abiy isn’t what we have heard him two years ago.

            I think you are still confused Abiy 2018 and Abiy 2020, I challenge you to revise your memory/view on his achievement, actions and his narrative since he visited USA. One of the main role of a leader is to be unifier, to represent all people, not this or that people. To be honest with you, Abiy’s politics is good for Addis Ababa and diaspora like constituency, not Ethiopia like diversity, even that is for certain section of the society.
            We have to evaluate him not by what he said, but by what he did.

            • His inspiration didn’t last long, it was short lived inspiration.
            • His vision couldn’t be seen outside 4Kilo, his narrative was more of 4Kilo and Washington centered.
            • There was no strategy, well his strategy was the following 6 lists.
            • There was no roadmap

            If you analyze his politics carefully, his main goal was to disintegrate EPRDF and install the Washington consensus prescription. To achieve this goal he used —
            1. Deception and lies :
            From 27 years of darkness until I know the killer of Hachalu, there are many lies and deceptions in between.

            2. Elimination and exclusion (TPLF) :
            This was clear from get go but the extent he did wasn’t anticipated.

            3. Shelving (Team Lemma) :
            No one ever thought his best friend Lemma will be the political ball of Abiy. Lemma was the one who let the premiership to Abiy. He could have done special election to become a member of the parliament, but he let him to be PM. May be it was designed by Washington?

            4. Delay tactics (election) :
            Knowingly he delayed the election, finally COVID-19 came to rescue his actions, we will see the end of that movie. The Council of Constitutional Inquiry drama was a joke, the way he interpreted the constitution to extend his term was clear of his dictatorship.

            5. GERD corruption narrative :
            The dam was close to completion before Abiy rise to power, the civil engineering work was 93% completed, the mechanical work was delayed but it was already on discussion with other client. However, Abiy used the Dam to his political game, last year he said the dam won’t finish in 10 years, but after a year today he is telling us the dam is filling. What a lie and drama that is.

            6. Incarceration and killing (Chief of Staff and Amhara region higher officials) :
            Killing of chief of staff was clear indication his motives towards dictatorship, the killer is with him, the families of the generals are still crying, but where is justice?

            The list of crimes and deception goes on…. All this was in two years, finally he extended his term using lose constitutional interpretation.

            You said “responding to a generational shift”, reread the above actions, crimes and deceptions, if this is what the new generation are looking, we need to have serious discussion. We have to differentiate politics and reality, whatever he did doesn’t show anything to next generation. Deception and lying shouldn’t be the norm of the new generation.

            I still vividly remember when CNN had the following headline about Abiy on August 29, 2018 — “Why Ethiopians believe their new prime minister is a prophet”. Many has been misled by him, Ethiopia isn’t developmental state anymore, we are moving to Washington consensus prescription.

            About this time two years ago when Abiy was visiting US, he said the following about EPRDF media restriction in Ethiopia —

            “ሚድያውን ዘግቶ ሃሳብ ዘግቶ ለብቻ ምርጥ መሆን የሰፈር ኣለቃ ያደርግ ይሆናል እንጂ ኢትዮጵያዊ ኣያደርግም።”

            At one point he said “መግደል መሸነፍ ነው።”

            They say “karma has no deadline”, when he made the above statement two years ago, no one knew he was talking about Abiy the future, Abiy 2020? After two years, he has closed almost half of the country’s media, he shut-down the internet, he has killed thousands, and arrested tens of thousands.
            Nobel peace laureate? Do you really think there is peace between Eritrea and Ethiopia? Do you really think he cares about the peace process?

            Sorry I have listed too much information, but we shouldn’t close our eye and close our ears to the facts on the ground. Using TPLF as excuse isn’t going to help anymore.

            Let me ask you again, do you really think “Dr. Abiy is new type of leader. He is responding to a generational shift”?

            Thanks,

          • mad mullah

            Hello Samuel,
            A lot of things you wrote sound more like conspiracy theory and you seem to be all over the place with all sort of accusations.
            What are your fact? I think to understand current Ethiopia you need to go beyond the politics of 60’s and 70’s TPLF and all the abbreviations.
            You have to look into the demographics of the country. Give Dr. Abiy five or six years before jumping into conclusion and start a demonizing mission.
            I assume you are Eritrean and you have given IA 25+ years to see what he can do…
            As far as he is concerned their is a better relation with Eritrea- if the denqorocrat didn’t close the border Eritrean people would have some relief from denqorocracy.
            There is only so much a Gobezocrat can do when dealing with denqorocrat.

          • Samuel

            Selam mad mullah,
            I thought you are serious debater but it seems you are into labeling and name calling. FYI, I am Ethiopian, I am not from 50’s, 60’s or 70’s generation, generally I’m younger than Abiy.

            Read the 6 points I made above, which one is conspiracy?
            Didn’t he lie? Didn’t he sideline Lemma? Didn’t he stop the developmental state program? Didn’t he lie about GERD? Didn’t he delay the election? If you want a proof there are plenty. If your argument is give him time regardless his mistakes then I can understand your position, otherwise don’t do labeling or name calling, it’s not healthy.

            Thanks,

          • mad mullah

            Hello Samuel,
            Point one- “Deception and Lie” you words.. what are you saying? What exactly is he lying about what is deception? Are you accusing him of killing someone?

            Point Two- “Exculsion”? Is he excluding them? Anyone can form a national party and run. Every leader has an era and change.. Ethnic based parties exist but maybe this is new era where non-ethnic based party can parties… What are you saying? I don’t understand your sentence?

            Point Three- “Shelving” What is your point? Are you saying that Dr. Abiy shouldn’t be prime minister and it should be Lemma? Are you saying that Lemma is more qualified and he should be prime minister. What are you saying? What evidence do you have that Washington put Dr. Abiy in power? Is this based on anything or just theories..

            Point Four- “Delay Tactics”… so the election are delayed due to Corona situation. Are you claiming this is delay tactic? That is your own interpretation or opinion. You are saying your opinion is fact.

            Point Five- “Gerd Corruption” What exactly is corruption? What role do you believe Dr. Abiy did? What is going take 10 years? To build the Dam or to fill the Dam? As far as current news, the Dam is getting filled and moving on schedule.. what is your problem?

            Point Six- “killing”… what are you saying here? Are you accusing Dr. Abiy of something? Are you accusing him of killing anyone?

            Overall, most of your points are opinion, vague, or just theories.

            I think as an Ethiopian you should be glad to live in the age of Gobezocracy just give it time.

          • Selamat Ayya Amanuel Hidrat,

            Thank you Mr. Dawit Mesfin for the exquisite narration of Eritrean history through the eyes of the diverged paths numerous Dequi May-Bela have traversed starting before and the entirety of my lifetime till the present.

            I would have liked to ask you what were the true discernments, from the several literatures you have listed that your book=warm childhood friend Asmellash brilliantly recognized (which was difficult for most you implied)? I am sad for your buddy Asmelash’s brilliant mind that has been arrested and restrained with extremely heavy chains in the open air dark dungeon that is the State of Eritrea which the brutal Isaias regime has lorded over the Eritrean people’s suffering of both physical and mental slavery for over three decades. As I am also a very very sad man since I too have the same open letter in mind to write one in particular if not several in the same predicament as Asmellash. In spite of their huge material deprivation and stunted mental and spiritual growth, like yourself I too have loved ones and childhood friends who as victors triumphantly declared independence and liberty when in reality they delivered a thousand fold misery, foreign occupation/preoccupation (enmity with the same Ethiopia), the abolition of any and all liberties and human rights not only for the Eritrean people, their heroes and comrade in arms they disappeared and murdered BUT MOST of ALL for themselves. It must be extremely painful to search every day of your life for the liberator hero of your nation you tell the lie to yourself each and everyday but have to live with the true reality that you are in fact a very week, full of fear, powerless coward who willingly bargained and sold all of your very own self attained liberation to be a slave and a servant tool of subjugation and oppression of your people. You have victimized and enslaved yourself and nearly all of us the Eritrean people by gifting us ghosts after ghosts instead of developing heroes and heroins.

            Mr. Dawit Mesfin I am only beginning the open letter I intend to address to the specific loved ones and childhood friends who once upon a time sang songs of liberty of justice and liberty with us, raced to die for our people and nation with the same zeal and determination until they unilaterally declared us persona non grata and became the zombies and robots perpetuating greater suffering to all.

            Yeah I too have a childhood loved one, like your Asmellash, who was very brilliant, very promising with great aspirations embarking to produce gems for his deserving nation in spite of everything that was lacking who like your Asmellash capitulated his power as well as what could have been an extraordinary legacy buy settling for miserable little comfort to be part of the machine and system that has produced lackluster broken and trotted and not so very notable very broken, confused useless nationals year after year and decade after decade. And produced absolutely zero products of creativity and innovation though there was plenty and abundant, a very deep well of inspiration and courage to draw from at the start. Lately I am resigned to accept and be the persona non grata they have declared me/us long ago. I am okay with never returning to Eritrea or ever be amongst them my loved ones and very close childhood friends, to either join them in same current miserable circumstances, cowardly life of servitude. I have also ceased to be hopeful or strive for the experience of the bettered and much improved Eritrea with all of its great ideals fully realized. Since I left Eritrea with the last images of an entire town burning and the sound track of exploding bombs and guns some Forty Three years ago returning to Eritrea now or in the future can only be a very depressing deep rewinding of the precious Eritrean lives that were destroyed and ceased to grow or even exist. However, I am now inspired by Mr. Dawit Mesfin’s open letter to his childhood friend Asmellash to write a very deep and detailed open letter of my own addressed to my very close loved ones and childhood Eritrean friends that they are a colossal failures as liberators and freedom fighters. Since 1991 they have in fact achieved the extreme polar opposite of the goal which was liberty, justice and the pursuit of happiness for all Eritreans that is now even a lot farther and harder to attain. In the letter I will start by saying I no longer feel Eritrean and that I am very mad and sad you have excluded me from experiencing one single day in my independent nation as if it belonged to you and only you to live as desperate oppressed slaves and servants to the worst oppression ever experienced by humans under the yoke of the worst brutal authoritarian regime in history. You kept it for yourselves deluding yourselves to be liberators. What have you produced that is notable, worthy of mention or extraordinary as branches, parts or tools of your regime’s governance? Maybe just maybe before your last breaths you will awoke and recollect your sworn mission of long ago, regain a hint of the courage you witnessed and possessed in the heat of the Eritrean Revolution and set Eritrea’s. course right again and redeem yourselves from all your sins.

            Yes, open letter addressed specifically to you my childhood friends who I shared lots of love, laughter and sacrifice will do me and you just right. So expect it. You know who you are, Thank you again Mr. Dawit Mesfin

            ……….

            Ayya Amanuel Hidrat,

            I remember getting on the subway from Harlem to the Bronx with my AP Calculus book in order to do get tutoring from Ayya Gebrehiwet. From their apartment we gravitated to yours where traditional coffee with Embeba and ETTan as well as a hot oven with aromatic foods warmed the living room with warm and joyous conversations you the adults were engaged with. Your baby daughters sleeping peacefully and your beautiful wonderful wife manning the farnelo, menkeshkesh, meshrefet, jebena and fenajil. I was watching the NY Mets beat the Huston Astros on your television in your home with your wife and child and your neighbors. I have a very vivid picture of that day and I think it was the last time I saw her before I left for the University.

            Uncle I am saddened by your loss and my condolences. May she rest in peace.

            PS
            I am sorry to disappoint you but Yes I whole heartedly agree with you that Eritrea needs a leader more like Meles. And Meles did in fact make great economical and developmental achievements for Ethiopia. Hey at least there was a lot of money made to be looted. A thousand times better economical achievements and developmental growth under Meles Zenawi than that of our dysfunctional dictator Isaias and his regime who have given us Eritreans utter miserable poverty. I have nearly a dozen loved ones scattered in exile and crying for my help and I am spread thin. This time when you raise his name as always you are speaking factual truth. Surprised?

            GitSAtSE

          • Ismail AA

            Selam GitSAtSE Solomon wedi Hawey,
            Glad to read you back after a long sabbatical. I hope your absence was for good reason, one of which, let me speculate, could have been tackling and solving a challenging new mathematical problem.

          • Selamat Ayya Ismail AA,

            For the past several days I have saw you in front of be sitting in a lotus position but your physical appearance was that of Ishmail the giant Gorilla in Daniel Quinn’s book titled Ishmail.

            I am now in Buffalo, New York, a couple of blocks from the State University of New, York. Though I am quite sure I possess the personality of exactly opposite of that the anti social, nearly all my life the circumstances and environments that have surrounded did not feel like I belonged or fit it in. As a consequence there has always been a self imposed order to “Social Distance” for me that accelerated exponentially in the last several years though it was gaining speed starting roughly about a decade ago. The infrequent trips I made to Eritrean & Ethiopian Restaurants and Bars ceased altogether. I arrived alone and left alone. My socializing with my fellow Eritreans and Ethiopians was limited to a very warm with a sincere smile pleasantries exchanged and lasted thirty to sixty seconds. I have never joined the pleasant loud banters of any group sitting on a table, never arrived in a group or left with a group. I simply stood amongst my fellow country folks, Eritreans and Ethiopians, never experienced a home visit for any reasons like baptism, engagement, wedding a wake or a funeral. Well perhaps once or twice in the last four decades.

            So, I did drive across the USA from California to New York in my Nissan Versa and a companion from Saint Andrews, Jamaica. He was returning to his mother and son after staying away in California for decades. I was returning to my three sons after staying away in California for nearly a decade and a half. It was a jail break and a caucus run for it for three thousand miles, in a nation that came to a screeching halt without warning.
            This virtual socializing I have done on this forum I increasingly felt I did not belong to but I always knew the Eritreans and Ethiopians and the contents they share does belong to me.

            You are still in my room appearing as Ishmail the giant gorilla siting in the lotus position. And you have been feeding me answers to countless questions I ask communicating with your pupil movements. Yes it is about takers and leavers of sort but more relevant and specific to my person.

            There is a very long and very un polished reply I have been trying to get post for days. It is being held for approval and if it does I hope you do make sense of it at least the parts that are hopefully clear enough.

            I am pursuing the PhD in Math focusing in fractals. Since I peaked into the forum, I have taking as many days of from work for the first time in six month of Seven day work and greater than ten hour days.

            I owe my taking a break from work and the strict vegan version of the “social distancing” directive to your warm welcome back home that I do believe belongs to me though I do not feel like I do belong. I am happy to see all my Eritrean and Ethiopian family in this virtual home.

            And thank you most of all for igniting or striking the match of the most important fractal formula I have been in search for a long time. I am not surprised at all that it is you that has giving me the traction to this high priority fractal: Searching for Liberty in the Time of COVID19

            Oh by the way, the Saint from Saint Andrews whose name is Andrew (Doh!) has returned to California. And yours truly am beginning to feel like a New Yorker again, under the command of Governor Cuomo (yeah his fist name too is Andrew but no relation) and his banner of “We Are New York Tough” though I am thinking to send an send the Governor the following trailing phrase: “We will Fractal COVID19” and while I have his attention request for a grand funding.

            “We Are New York Tough! Fractal COVID19!” Does have a nice ring, don’t you think so Haw Abutye Ayya Ishmail AA? Thank you.

            GitSAtSE

          • Selamat Haw Abuye Ayya Ismail AA,

            These days I am not quite sure if I can even integrate 2X or take the derivative of X squared. However your speculation is not far from being correct as I have consciously relocated smack in the hearty of the academic community which happens to be the first university I attended right out of high school at the tender age of 18 years old. The plan is to dive deep, hide and find comfort in the universe of academia and embark on the journey in pursuit of a PhD in mathematics with a concerted focus on fractals. As of now all I know is that Fractals are ubiquitous in the universe as well wall art paintings particularly in the eastern religiousfr institutions and temples of worship. Fractals are geometrical natural constructs ubiquitous in our universe. In temples and places of worship of the east, and the west to a lesser degree, wall art paintings of numerous fractals geometric patterns presence is perhaps indicative of their importance for a deeper quest of the mathematics of the phenomena. At ten to 15 dollars per course for undergraduate and graduate subjects offered by Udemy, I am enrolled to over a dozen in order to brush off the dusts and spider webs accumulated as well as to build my brain muscles and speed of processing necessary for the fractals chase I will be commencing in the fall. Einshalah!

            I suspect all of our lives to be a fractal as well. And I thank you Ayya Ismail AA for gifting and giving me the powerful grip an dtraction to a very significant fractal I am now formulating to be distributed with the title: Finding Liberty in The Time of COVID19. As you are indeed a very important and most imperative node and source of the fractal I have been pounding for days and begins with the next paragraph.

            But first before I go on and on with my usual long winded gushing of all sorts of thoughts, and I assure you it will be long winded, which may or may not be neatly sorted, filtered, focused, well organized smoothly with high viscosity freely flowing thoughts, let me tell you how very pleased and very happy I was to read you Ayya Ismail AA in the initial moments after my return to the Awate site from the very long self imposed long sabbatical. I was also pleasantly reassured and freed from the sincere concerns of your well being health wise in these global pandemic COVID19 trying times as I sensed it right away the very strong and energetic leadership qualities you have been always blessed from the almighty as it was evident that you have defended well against the pull, stretch and tug of war on your physical body due to the good old reliable flow of silicon inside the hour glass. I am pleased to confidently gather that you are indeed with all your strength and with plenty more rounds of fight inside the ring left in you as you are for sure I believe a very viable, very thoughtful sharp and strong as ever awaiting your turn to be next leader and head of state for our troubled and very bruised nation Eritrea. We the people are in dire need to benefit immensely from all the time tested extensive experiences and vast treasures of wisdom, your great patience and calm and well balanced high caliber leadership qualities you have accumulated through your in-depth investigations and meticulous studies leafing throughthe high volume pertinent and relevant case studies of countless diverse global cultures, philosophies and political scenarios you have painstakingly dissected with the sole purpose eager intent to apply its cumulative force onto your Eritrea. These treasure troves you have sat on and waited for when the time comes to effectively lead your beloved nation Eritrea. I truly believe you are indeed very well equipped to lead and navigate our ship through what will for sure initially be very rough and choppy waters, however your wisdom and flame of fire you have kept ablaze with high hopes for a very long time will illuminate the wide road you have been paving in your thoughts nearly all your life as you will then effortlessly and in no time at all sort out and eliminate all that is rough and tough obstacles and hinderances by the well thought out strong prescriptions, recommendations, your wise selection and developing those high quality leaders, commanders and Admirals (consider and place SAAY7 on a very short list), for you to delegate the critical responsibilities your very competent team will implement with precision all your fail proof strategies. Your wisdom is equipped a very sophisticated filter that will immediately render ineffective all of our Eritrean society’s very destructive and dangerous ailments. After experiencing very minimal, and only for a very short while, discomfort, minute head and body aches and the unavoidable inconveniences of the great birth unto the light, your wisdom will then steer Merkebna all the precious cargo that are the people properties of all Eritrean heritage unto to the calm and peaceful waters of Lake Peace and Prosperity. Your very deserving nation and people of Eritrea are thankful for the lifetime you have sacrificed dedicating every ticking second of the passing hour in deep contemplation for nearly five decades as you agonized, contemplated again and again, as you always been preparing for this very monumental task that is your burden for the liberation and the realization of your ideal Eritrea and total liberstion and deserved freedom for all your people from all the evil bondages and unjust subjugations and to safely deliver them to the promise land. The inevitable and imminent down fall of Isaias’ brutal dictatorship and authoritarian rule is around the corner and will be a reality before most of us will blink a handful of time. As I am confident you are very prepared and will not be caught or shocked by the event fast approaching. And I repeat it is imminent the down fall of Isaias and his choke hold of Eritrea will be shattered in the time the climate season turns to the next. Now it is only a matter of you polishing your shield and armor and sharpening your leader’s Seif Al Deen sward and announce to your people that the time has dawned upon us to be free. Just blow with a few breath for the very light dust settled on all the notebooks you have kept you have noted the formulas, your sketched you drew the road maps and the meticulously planned strategies, steps, the charts and action plans. You willpresent to all the wisest men and women, the top echelon of highest quality Eritrean leaders you will personally select and gather immediate consultations, discussions, comparing and contrasting of each other’s well thought out ideas and finally coming into a consensus in consolidating the most sober and highly effective master plan that will chart out the path towards the prosperous, united, peaceful and above all justice for all and the restoration of the rule of law which has been suffered evil torment, striped of dignity, mutilated, starved, beat to death and murdered and then unceremoniously burried with the sewage by the most hideous despot in man kind’s history. The time for hid downfall has arrived. The nervousness of his evil empire and machinations is on full display. They hear and feel the murmers in this very silent and very quite calm as if everyone is fast asleep. And it is they who have provided it us the very out of tune and loud hint. The war drums and songs of their soon to triumph over the death of the “Weyane.” They feel abandoned big room and are scared to be in all by themselves. They are feeling and checking for the EDF if in fact they are guarding their evil empire’s safety.

            OR it could be these sons of bi****s are readying once again to empty the young from their Eritrean homes to induce another round of exodus by spreading and amplifying imminent war with the “Weyane”. To minimize the eminent attacks from within by inducing an alternative outlet to the pressure building which the eerie current calm is feeding their paranoia.

            Message to the slaves and stooges: Do fear the eerie uncomfortable calmness of the waters, absence of wind turbulences, and the flatness of the decibels inside Eritrea. There will be no sheltering. Unlike the invisible Corona19, The very visible, which you can call for now Meloti16, as in Seidici Km marker on the Keren – Asmara road…. No no there will be no hiding from this MaEbel. So pack your bags. Good bye and Good Riddance!

            Your sacrifices, Ayya Ismail AA and the years of preparations for this critical role role you were born to fulfill is Eritrea’s national treasure whose time has arrived to be cashed in for the long awaited total libration of all the people. Gather the wisest architects, engineers, teachers, builders, feeders, healers and make all the final preparations to catch and grip tightly onto your bosoms so that your beloved treasure does not get lost forever in freefall into the abyss. Fort he underground is shaking and grip of the tyrant and his shackles will break and shatter. The precious treasure arrested develpment is like an over grown child in dire need of your guidance. Gather you the wisest who have spared not time for any other thoughts except the one thought of Eritrea and its future. Folks like Ayya Amanuel Hidrat and you Ayya Ismail AA.

            The Joe is looking forward to the 18th hole at PB.

            I give thanks to have gaged and commenced contemplating and taking stock of all your very valuable inventory, your concerted efforts of all your dedication and the self sacrifice for nation and your people that is absolutely works of pure love. You are indeed very strong and ready to take your place at helm as the head of a strong leadership and the first head of state of your soon to be relieved from all miseries Eritrean nation. Isaias’ down fall and total loss of his grip on power will be a reality in a day now. You Ayya Ismail will soon hold meetings with the American Joe Biden engaging in serious discussion with your counter part proudly representing your nation’s interests. As you are significantly a junior to the 78 year old you will for sure dominate, out swing and out putt The Joe in your scheduled 18 holes of golf at Pebble Beach. However I strongly advice you to go against your competitive and must win it nature and suggest to you to hold back and allow your host to have the win since his winning will more than likely put him in a very generous mood. The size of the aid package he will gift you will then be a much heftier than his original thought. You shall get your win that really counts then. And a Noble win it will be.

            After my long absence and disconnect from all that has to do with Eritrea, I was very pleased to see your very skillful, patient and full of wisdom Eritrean leadership qualities evident in all of your prior commentary and now I was able to immediately recognize it in your response to the Muhandis MiEbale, when you gave us all the subtle very constructive and valuable strong directives and suggestions regarding the deserved attention for Dawit Mesfin’s essay: the open letter to Wedi Mai-Bela, Asmellash, his child hood friend young phenom. You encouraged us all to be generous with our feedbacks and with more direct topic focused engagements with the authors of such articles, as these efforts we put forth would prove to be our sincere appreciation and gratitude for the artistry and the unique crafts or prose presented for us by masters amongst us. There is also the added bonus of encouraging even more future productions of great works of art by the esteemed writers, in this case Mr. Dawit Mesfin, as you have clearly indicated all these great gains and benefits for all and for the overall national discourse. Though Dawit’s open letter essay to his childhood friend is indeed an excellent and inspiring read for yours truly, for it nudged the wound I have suffered from for decades and counting. I have been left out in out in the cold far away from my independent nation liberated by my childhood friends, (Deqi Telata/HadiQa) who unfortunately suffered the greatest total loss ever. Their majestic courageous soul, the exemplar and inspirational TRUE GRIT of Eritreans of the nobility class shortly after seeing the Eritrean Sewra to its just end. A convincing victory to the just cause of Eritrean Sewra in full display for the world to witness. The world did not dare deny, instead was humbled, mesmerized and it rose to its feet to respect and applauded the nobility of Eritrea.

            Then the multiple headed monster gangsters greedy meglomaniacs, the strong men and the bullies secret executioners, these field generals and battle commanders who conducted the war from a safe distant began to stretch their stomachs………. …… ……………..

            The Fractal: In Search For Liberty In The Times of COVID19 continues…

            GitSAtSE

          • Paulos

            Selamat Tsa-Tse Arkey,

            What a refresher! We missed you a bunch and more. Glad to see you back!

            Here is the real: Suppose you draw a circle and you draw a triangle inside the circle. You erase the triangle but you draw a rectangle instead. You change your mind and you draw a hexagon instead. As you keep changing your mind, you draw a polygon but when you drew a polygon, all of a sudden you realise that, the minute and multitude “gones” are identical with the circle you first drew. You conclude that, a circle is just an infinite collection of polygons! Limit in Calculus on the other hand helps us see the reality around us for it is an approximation to infinity as polygons are approximations to a circle.

            One can say the same thing about a straight line for it is a collection of infinite dots. Infinity is revealed to us in a definite structure as is the case with a circle and a straight line. Again, the power of Calculus as a mathematical tool saves us from the insanity of infinity for our mind is not equipped to visualise much less comprehend infinity. Would we could we say the same thing about Fractals?

          • Selamat Denmarkino Arkey Professor Paulos,

            “Would we or could we say the same thing about Fractals?”

            From the infinitesimal to the infinite universe. Yes we can say our mind is not equipped to visualize much less comprehend Fractals. I fear I may be told the exact same thing you are pointing out from my advisor to the thesis I am planning to propose. But do you see the draw of such examples of fractals in the case of plants’ branches within a single tree forming to maximize longevity of survival to give eternal life to each branch? As well as according to recent scientific discovery of trees in forests cooperating with one another to share resources for mutual survival?

            The thesis I intend to propose will more than likely be limited to the inspections of one or a few existing fractal formulas and the possible usefulness in applications. Exclude (a+b)/b = a/b which I am sure has been over explored and dissected. Perhaps the discovery of a new formula of a naturally occurring fractal with the aid of the power of computing. Or perhaps it is insanity, as you pointed out, to venture on comprehending Fractals. To which I will now respond: To Fractals and Beyond! Borrowing from Toy’s Story “To Infinity and Beyond!” 🙂

            GitSAtSE

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat tSAtSE [why is it mixed of small and Caps btw?]
            Good to see you back!
            This Fractal again? It gave me a head when I was dealing with Crystals.
            Going back to your equation, is there any other option that
            (a+b)/b = a/b, unless a/b >>> 1?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat MM,

            Let me use this opportunity to say that I am supreme admirer of your talent for poem and mastery of our language. The first time I noticed your excellent contribution was during our greatest, Kokhob Selam (Kokhobay) was in recovery from a serious illness. Your perfectly timed appearance was no less than a miracle.

            Anyway, back to class;
            A small but important modification on “…unless it is if and only if a+b = 1”
            To make the statement more precise it should be either “… unless (a+b)/b = 1” or “… unless (a+b) = b.” In other words a+b doesn’t need to be equal to one only but equal to whatever ‘b’ is.

            ነገር ድልይልይ ይብሉኻ ከምዙይ እዩ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thanks s lot, Fanti
            On that equation, I was thinking this way:
            In order (a+b)/b to be = a/b because (a+b)/b = (a/b) +(b/b) = a/b +1 and when a/b is much much bigger than 1, the +1 becomes negligible and the equation becomes = a/b
            ነገር ድልይልይ ናብ ፍልስፍና ዩ ዘምርሕ! 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat MM,

            I don’t know why I thought your ‘a/b >>> 1’ was a typo to begin with.
            “ቖልዓ ይጎዪ’በር ኣይቅድምን” ዶ በሉ፤

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ፋንቲ:
            ርእሰ-ደብሪ ምዃንካ ኣብዝ ገዛ ዘይፈልጥ ሰብ ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን።
            ንግዜኡ: ከም ናይ ጃፓኒዝ ሰላምታ ይሰደልካ ኣለኹ።

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Fanti,

            As A approaches infinity and B approaches zero…..(A+B)/B=A/B

            You simplified the problem, MM’s >>> gives an indication what needs to be done….

            Good to see Tsatse back, once he asked an old riddle I think by a Greek mathematician/philosopher….about cows of various colours (my memory aint strong on this one). I thought with technology in hand, a simple coding should give the answer only to realise I was getting the pc into a hard labour.

            Welcome back Tsatse….to the east, we will get there.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat A.Osman
            When I say a/b is much greater than 1: it means on these conditions
            1. If a is closer to infinity or
            2. When b is close to zero
            In either cases, it makes a/b >>>>1

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Ustaz A.Osman & MM,

            “As A approaches infinity and B approaches zero…..(A+B)/B=A/B.”

            So far so good. But why does ‘B’ need to be small? For any value of ‘B’ we will always have A/B+1.

            If we chose to drop ‘B’ when it gets to be too small, then we shouldn’t drop it everywhere and remain with only ‘A’.

            Therefore: as ‘A’ approaches infinity and B approaches zero…..(A+B)/B Approaches ‘A’ .

            ‘A’ is the only person standing:-)

            The second part of the problem was A/B >>> 1.

            That can only be true if ‘A’ and ‘B’ are equal or nearly equal which would make the “if A/B is large enough” a mute point.

            To get A/B >>> 1, we either need ‘A’ = ‘B’ or ‘A’ is approaching 1 as ‘B’ gets very small.

            That was the dilemma I thought I saw.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Fanti:
            Do you have any issue against B? 🙂
            The reason is that you have to go back to the equation: (A+B)/B and expand it what it means; which is (A+B)/B = A/B + B/B, which the later is basically 1.
            Now you have left with A/B + 1. So, B is still there 🙂

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Fanti,

            You working on my rusting brain….but I need it. Let me number your queries and see if my attempt is successful.

            1. But why does ‘B’ need to be small? For any value of ‘B’ we will always have A/B+1.
            To approximate A/B+1=A/B as MM pointed out the +1 has to be an insignificant value compared to A/B….meaning A is very high and B very low ….so the resultant fraction give a high value…I think MM use or, making it optional will create confusion as A>>>>>>B is critical.

            2. If we chose to drop ‘B’ when it gets to be too small, then we should drop it everywhere and remain with only ‘A’
            If B=1 the answer is A….but if B is infinitely small, A/B is infinitely large :).

            3. Therefore: as ‘A’ approaches infinity and B approaches zero…..(A+B)/B Approaches ‘A’ .
            No . (A+B)/B Approaches ‘Infinity’ .

            Reconsider the rest of your statement, you confused yourself further….maybe #2 and #3 will explain why.

            AOsman

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Again Ustaz,

            I totally get it. Although I started the whole thing on wrong assumption (I thought MM had a typo), I was thinking of what I thought was catch 22.

            We want ‘A’ to be large enough and ‘B’ small enough to get rid of B/B and at the same time we want A/B to approach 1.

            Thanks.