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An Open Letter to My Friend

This story revolves around the early memories of my upbringing that shaped my identity.  In all conscience, it is neither a riveting story nor based on exaggerated psychological self-assessment of my past; it is just a modest soul-searching endeavour accompanied by some indulgence in retrospection.

Why do I find it important to write about this rather quirky story of my past and my old neighbourhood in this era when dreams are being shattered, lives devastated and souls fractured in Eritrea?

The answer is simple.  Weaving my childhood memories into a story does not only help me to contextualise my roots but it also helps me to assess the journey of my adult life. In other words, it is a form of juxtaposition of Eritrea’s past history to its current quandaries via my personal diaries.

What’s more, I find rooting through old relics of my past very therapeutic.  But more importantly, this exercise helps me to depict the profile of an old friend with whom we do not see eye to eye anymore over what has become of Eritrea.  I can say we were once brothers, but somehow ‘Eritrean Independence’ got between us.

The Maibela Neighbourhood

My childhood memories are formed in Asmara, in general, and the Maibela area, in particular. Life was simple in the old neighbourhood.  On the whole, I can say it was the age of innocence.  Who would have thought that Eritreans were going to be forced to choose between conformity and exile decades later during the ‘independence’ era?

Our neighbourhood was fenced by Paradiso, the former Aba Mechal Police Station, Ambagagliano, Mr. Sunabara’s SATAE Garage across the Maibela River, and the former Ethiopian Army garrison mostly known as Forto, short form of Forte Baldissera – a fort built on a plateau overlooking the valley of Maibela. Before the City built the Teachers Training Institute and the Stadium in the middle of our neighbourhood, we had the entire area to ourselves.

We, the neighbourhood children, called ourselves ‘deqi-maibela’ (the Maibela Children) as if we owned the polluted river that split Asmara into two.  Actually, we hardly knew where the Maibela water rushed after St Joseph’s Catholic Church and Villaggio Genio, let alone understand the role it played in the development of the city.  BTW, the Villaggio Genio quarters (Villaggio Indigeno) were lodgings for the local populations built behind the Forto army base.  But as far as we were concerned, the Maibela River was ours, notwithstanding the facts.

The river has a long history in the development of Asmara; but as the city population grew by leaps and bounds it turned into a whiffy sewage system. Years later, during the Haregot-Abay mayorship (6os), it was covered by building roads over it throughout the city. And Maibela was no more.

The features that stood out the most of that era were, comparatively speaking, life was less stressful then; family values used to guide and mould our lives; there was coherence and interdependence among community members; the communities took care of themselves and their own affairs; there was enough food to go around; there was no lack of fuel, electricity and water supplies; and there were ample jobs to go around in the private sector.

The Old Gang

Our neighbourhood was at the centre of our world.  Aboy Semere was the de facto mayor of our community.  Life revolved around his dignified existence and his grocery shop. Families with limited disposable income could use the ‘booklet system’ to buy groceries from his shop – kind of a promissory note to settle amount owed until pay-day. It was all based on trust and kindness – with no interest charged.  Basically, the community relied on Aboy Semere for many things.

We, the neighbourhood kids, used to assemble in front of the shop to exchange our daily escapades. Many a times we played football around the shop without proper balls – balls made out of layered old socks.  We played hide and seek, banditi (cops and bandits), salvati (tag games) in our backstreets as if there was no tomorrow.  We also played marbles until dusk. To this day I wonder why we had to spit-shine them again and again … spit-shining them did not help us a bit to win more games.

Another favourite game of ours was the Akat game (spinning top).  We would insert a nail into a sizeable Akat seed (the inner kernel of the Doum Nut) and then set it in motion by briskly pulling a thin rope tightly coiled around the body.  The amount of work that went into making the Akat spinning top is literally indescribable.

When bored, we would lie down on the surrounding meadows to watch the clouds pass by; and when in mood we would chase butterflies with tree branches during the sweltering midday sun.

During the rainy season the quick and heavy downpours transformed the nature around our neighbourhood.  We would play out in the rain and then wait for the rainbow to spruce up the sky. We had fun; and we thought childhood would never end.

To name a few members that made up the Maibela squad, Ismail, Bereket, Armando, Hans, Fessehaie, Alem,  Mohamed , Berhane ChaliQue, Mikiel  Forma , my brother Yosief and of course, Asmellash, the quietest of us all.

Ismail was our best footballer, Bereket was the cleverest, Berhane was the funniest and Hans was the story teller.  Lucky Hans used to go to the cinema every week; he would then tell us endless stories of Tarzan, Django, Maciste – the Hercules-like figure – and more.  It was an era of Westerns, and John Wayne was king.  BTW, except in Cinema Roma, most cinemas in Asmara used to show movies in Italian – American movies were dubbed into Italian.

To put it in simple terms, in the end the future caught up with us.  As the Eritrean youth were struck by the ‘liberation’ bug, neighbourhoods began to fragment, and the Maibela squad simply dispersed. Years later, we came to realise that the future and that very liberation drive did not hold much for us.  Of course, except for Asmellash.

No one thought that Eritrea would create an emotional entanglement in us and become a contradiction in terms. We dreamed big and the dreams simply frittered away after the armed struggle came to an end.  Yes, we never imagined that Eritrea would suffer from chronic relapses after liberation. ‘Liberation’ was supposed to help us realise our dreams, and not contribute to a situation worse off than the Haileselassie and Dergue eras.

Eritrea’s affliction manifested itself as the unelected president began to posture as if the country ‘needed’ him more than democracy. It soon became apparent that President Isaias Afwerki could not ‘afford’ to leave the democratic process to elections.  He could not leave elections to the ordinary people because he sensed he could be voted out of office. That is why he, together with his abettors, hijacked the outcome of the costly struggle by creating numerous pretexts and contrived contexts.  Unfortunately, my friend Asmellash has been there with him all along.

My friend Asmellash Abraha Woldu

Often times I think about the whereabouts of the old gang.  Sadly, most of the Maibela kids left the country, some were martyred in the battlefields of Eritrea, one died in a car accident, and I believe the only one still living in Asmara is Asmellash.

Asmellash and I became good friends during our teenage years.  Bereket was also close but he did not hang around much with us for he was too busy in his family’s business.

Asmellash was a quiet booklover who was ahead of everyone in every sense of the word.  He read and read, and read some more.  He loved to read so much he would stay up all night to read serious books while I was still fiddling with lighter reading.

His reading habits started with American comic books.  We had plenty of reading material in the city because the American GIs and their dependents would read and discard comic books, magazines, books and newspapers. The local street vendors would collect them from the house boys and girls (employed by the military personnel and their dependents) and sell them to us. Che, a big and tall street vendor, was one of our main suppliers.

Asmellash was hooked on Marvel Comics.  Stan Lee was his favourite writer/editor/producer who was best known for the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, the Avengers, Daredevil, and the X-Men. He loved them all dearly.  His most favourite comic book was ‘Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos’ – an elite special unit that fought missions during WWII.  He also read MAD, a brainy humour magazine, which published satire on all aspects of American life and popular culture, politics, entertainment, and public figures. One can say that Asmellash had acquired a good grasp of the Western way of life, particularly American, without leaving Asmara.

In my adult life, whenever my mind strolls down memory lane, it always finds its way back to the old neighbourhood. There I find Asmellash flipping through pages of Boris Karloff’s tales of mystery, Ripleys Believe it or Not, which featured horror stories and odd facts from around the world respectively.  Moreover, I see him leafing through Alfred Hitchcock’s stories and images. Alfred Hitchcock was one of the most influential filmmakers in the history of cinema.

I do not remember Asmellash, like many of us, ever exhibiting any nationalist tendencies, or ever dreaming of joining the liberation front; it just happened.  He did not dream of becoming a media man during and after the armed struggle; I am sure it just happened.  He was so well-read I always thought he was going to embark on a collegiate journey; and as far as I was concerned, he was supposed to produce great literary works.  I can say he neither intended nor envisaged of putting himself at the service of the greatest dictator Eritrea has ever seen; I guess that just happened too.

At Comboni College

Asmellash, in the late 60s and early 70s, was a serious student at Comboni College – secondary school setup by Italian Catholics Church. I remember that he was fond of Father Rossi, a frail science teacher whose voice was barely audible. He would mimic Father Rossi playfully while going over lesson plans. He was also fond of Father Menegati, a stocky, energetic English/Geography teacher who rode around the city in his motorbike.  Father Menegati ran the school library; and I can say he was the one who instilled the love of the English language into Asmellash.

In secondary school, Asmellash’s friends were Prince, Haile, Ali Bafeghi and some seminarians (fratelli from La Salle). He was not much of a football player but he loved to play volleyball with them.  In fact, he was very good at it. Asmellash could nail the ball and at times, he would dare to block Prince’s smashes which were not easily stoppable.

From the school staff who had the most impact on Asmellash was Father Charles, the indomitable head teacher who kept students on their toes.  Asmellash looked up to Father Charles.  Essentially, the inspiration of the head teacher was what taught Asmellash fine manners, studiousness and diligence.  In other words, the Catholic School was crucial in raising him and shaping the qualities and traits of his character.

I am sure, in his solemn moments, Asmellash revisits his youth to have a heartfelt chat with his former mentors at Comboni College.  What I am not sure of is whether he is capable to strike up a candid conversation with Father Charles at all.  Would Asmellash be able to answer questions regarding the illicit stripping away, closures and seizures of the Catholic Church institutions by the regime?

Asmellash, being a principal constituent of the regime, must have looked the other way when the very institution that taught him decency and the right principles of human conduct was ripped to pieces.  I guess it is not wrong when they say that politics makes strange bedfellows.

Every time I see Asmellash on ERI-TV I kind of wince, unable to fathom how we will face each other after Eritrea’s ordeal comes to an end.  Will my heart be forgiving enough to welcome him after leading a life of an activist for decades?  Will he be forgiving enough to welcome me as an old friend knowing full well I opposed the illegitimate government he served all those years?  Will we frankly discuss why many Eritreans have fallen by the wayside while others, the few who usurped power, are frolicking? Will we discuss why many Eritreans are living with their scars and many more are still sailing through their troubles?

Actually I am not too concerned about how we would react towards each other for I realise there is a price to pay for what we do and for what we become in life. Since I am not done with reminiscing about the good old days in the Maibela neighbourhood, let me add a couple of recollections that describe my friend Asmellash.

A Fleeting Glance at Eritrea’s Raging Past

During the Dergue era (military rule) Asmellash travelled to the Soviet Union on an Ethiopian government scholarship.  I travelled to Italy to join my mother.  A couple of years later I heard that Asmellash had joined the front to take part in the armed struggle. I quite admired him for his courage and that very leap of faith.

The Eritrean armed struggle (1961-1991) was a very brutal conflict. The freedom fighters fought the occupying Ethiopian forces using very daring and gruesome guerrilla warfare such as hit and run ambush tactics, booby traps, and even sending human waves of young fighters at encampments.  The armed struggle was so intense it consumed a generation of young lives.

The effect of the armed struggle on Eritrean society was profound. The duration of the punishing struggle, the friction and division between the two antagonistic factions within the same struggle, the unimaginable human and material losses, the relentless displacements of the population and the sacrifices the civilians made to support the cause completely changed the demography, social makeup, attitudes and standpoints within the society. After a generation of Eritreans had given their blood, sweat, and tears to the cause, Eritrea won its independence in May 1991. Independence brought joy and relief to Eritreans in and out of the country.  I was relieved to learn that Asmellash had returned safely to Asmara with the victorious freedom fighters.

In early 1992, when I met Asmellash in Asmara, that is after independence, my mind went straight back to the days when we were boys.  I noticed the changes in him right away. We did not communicate in the language that we were used to – to ‘jive talk’ in mixed Tigrinya and English.  I noticed his conversation was mostly confined to hyping ‘sewra’, the revolution, and how the enemy took a battering in the battlefields.  It was implicitly understood the combatants did also take a battering which was not part of the banter.

The first thing that came to mind was silly things such as the A.B.C. Murders – a work of a detective fiction by British writer Agatha Christie, featuring her characters Hercule Poirot, Arthur Hastings and Chief Inspector Japp.  My friend was so fond of Poirot I thought I heard him mimic him by saying “It is the little grey cells, n’est-ce pas, mon ami?”  That was all in my imagination; instead, he was mimicking Wuchu’s phrases – full of bluster and bravado.  The late Wuchu was a gallant ex-fighter who turned into a notorious general after independence.

No mention was made of books, childhood recollections, or where the country was heading. But my mind refused to let go of the insatiable appetite he used to have for reading and learning.

I was there when Asmellash developed his intellect and transitioned from reading straightforward books to sophisticated ones during the early days.  I remember when he put aside the Hardy Boys, Agatha Christie books and started reading bestsellers such as the Anatomy of a Murder (by Robert Traver), Leon Uris’ Exodus, The Day of the Jackal, a thriller by Frederick Forsyth and more.  He understood the parable about the seagull in Jonathan Livingston Seagull, written by Richard Bach while I couldn’t make heads or tails of that book.

In the story, Jonathan Livingston Seagull is no ordinary bird; the story models courage in breaking away from the small-minded control freaks and the discovering of the limitless nature of the mind and the spirit. The gull longs to be in control of his own life. I wonder how Asmellash would feel now had he had the opportunity to re-read his favourite book of his teenage years.

Looking back, I can confidently say that Asmellash knew more about the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate scandal than any local journalist in the country at the time.  I would like to remind the reader that Asmellash was just a youngster then living in a remote part of Africa. Pentagon Papers dealt with the secret bombings by the US in Indochina; and Watergate was President Nixon’s political scandal that took place from 1972 to 1974, which eventually led to his resignation.

Again, Asmellash could discuss the activities of J. Edgar Hoover, the all too powerful FBI director of the time who was accused of violating civil liberties for the sake of national security and who always exaggerated the threat of communism to suit his disposition.

Frankly, those unique curiosities Asmellash exhibited were mumbo jumbo to me then.  He was just a teenager who was keen on exploring the other side of the world.  He was even interested in exchanging letters with his American pen pals – an undertaking which was one-off back then.  I remember sitting on the stairs that led to his house reading all the replies he had received from his friends. He used to receive more letters than he could handle; then again, it was fun reading them.

Sometimes I stop and think about those memories just in case they lose their meaning to me as I grow older.  However, I cannot understand why I am finding it difficult to put the images of the old and the new Asmellash side by side for the sake of comparison. How can a free-spirited youngster like him embrace a straitjacketed lifestyle in his adult life?

With his practical wisdom, temperance, justice, and the other ethical virtues, I can say that Asmellash was adequately equipped to live a life of thought and discussion; he could have lived a life of a philosopher.  I believe his current political life, as the director of ERI-TV, has a major defect, because life within the PFDJ (the government’s party) is a life devoid of contemplation, philosophical understanding and activity.

I have always wanted to ask my friend whether my supposition regarding complicity is right, and whether it applies to all of us. They say: “If you see fraud and do not say fraud, you are a fraud.”  The ominous pretence and booming silence will one day come back to haunt us when our lives will be aligned.

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  • Yehushua

    The hard fact is that we Eritreans and our country are known to our neighbors and to the world and we the people as individuals feel proud and graced os that due to the Agaazian or Tigrigna culture and its civilization and accomplishments in modern world culture primarily and to a bigger extent than the other nationalities in Eritrea.
    The Tigrigna culture by far has a lead and a bigger share and contribution to the national wealth of modern culture and identity.
    So why not have a leadership position in National politics and agenda ?

    • mad mullah

      Hello Yehushua,
      I don’t know what you are talking about in terms of Eritrean culture? We have diversity. In Singapore, they have different ethnic group and culture- and because they are developed and advance.. they see their diversity has strength and make sure everyone in the society has equal opportunity.
      I don’t know much about the Agazzian group except it is an online noise.

      • Yehushua

        I agree with you that a nation is a union of diversity of peoples and nationalities .I never had a problem with Eritrea being one such nation.
        My problem is with our politics.
        Our politics does not reflect our true nation and the reality. May be it could be because we have not been owners of our country or due to successive colonial rulers and their agents our politics is oriented against the country and its native peoples .As such it is unbecoming a nation.
        It has to leave behind this Leftist oriented politics and socialist militarist revolutionary culture and turn to its origin and roots which has been successively put in the dark by successive rulers .
        Eritrea has two realities and two images that has been going parallel of each other for a century . So inorder to these two realities and images recomcile , a bold and courageous move is needed in our politics.
        Yes we have one Nation but two political culture.
        So if i oppose the politics it shouldnt mean i am opposing the Nation and its existance.

    • sara

      selam yehushua,
      are you by any chance one of the digital xxxxx ? you forgot to say greetings.

      • Yehushua

        I am sorry
        I had the greetings in the first draft but i accidentally erased it. I appologize
        …Hello mad mullah please accept my greetings

      • Yehushua

        And thank you sara for reminding me

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    What has become of the Cabinet members [Eritrean]? How long has it been since they last convened? To the very least, in a time of Corona, the Minister of Health was supposed to update us about the spread on daily bases but the job is delegated to the Minister of Twitter–Hawelti instead. One can make an argument that one Minister as in Osman Saleh is functional when he is dwarfed by Yemane Monkey. Perhaps, Eritrea is way ahead of its time where future governments function sans Constitution and Ministers. Perhaps.

  • Yoni

    Dear Awate Team,
    It is a good start to appeal to forum members to be civil and mindful of their approaches. However, why is 80% of the forum scribbling is about TPLF, Oromo, Abiy’s shenanigan’s, Kero and the likes even when the theme of a topic has nothing to do with Ethiopia such as the one by Dawit. ( I know Ethiopia is an important neighbor but not more important than our own ). Don’t we have more problems in our own Eritrea? Charity starts at home I guess; even some forumers have the temerity to debate in Amharic too ( I see Amharic as colonizers language as pushed by HS.) Idris Awate must be rolling in his grave!

    • Paulos

      Yoni,

      The rationale is you free Eritrea of tyranny by attacking the Weyanes. It is better to hire unemployed brain than an empty one, says Isaias. And here you have it.

      • Abi

        Paul
        Very interesting.
        The same can be said to all weyane activist Eritreans. You can’t help getting rid of Isu when you are consumed by defending the weyanes 24/7/365.
        Just saying

        • sara

          selam ato Abi,
          Truth hurts, please be easy on us eritreans…

  • Ismail AA

    Dear Awate Team,
    Thank you. This yet another step to harness the reckless, and deliberate disrupters of healthy debate.

  • Paulos

    Selam AwateTeam,

    That was a long time coming and long overdue but as they say, late than never. And many thanks for providing us the Forum as you put it to learn and to teach including to get entertained. Many thanks for showing a leadership with a swift resolve. Let’s all help the Forum by keeping it clean and civil.

  • Nitricc

    Hi all; i see some of you defending the great crooked man ever Ethiopia has known, Lidetu. that man should have eliminated for the good of Ethiopia. this man is evil and hopefully he is in for good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeUcscUwOGI

    • Nitricc

      say what? I got you, your opposition is noticed because your TPLF thugs is exposed . i say to you go to hell. do you think i care? when people using TPLF to incite crime is is okay but when some one like me exposing your loved TPLF thugs, is deleted. Go delete you freaking low life exitance, you make me sick. funny if i had said, Issaias eliminate, you will all happy. how pity. You are dumb.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        NO SOUP FOR YOU! Private!
        Come back in a year! Till then, hang out in tesfa-less news. Next?

  • Sultan

    Hello All:
    Just an FYI and the sake of debating on the “ Declaration/Document ”!
    I know we have similar but failed ones before but worth reconsidering things .
    A New Joint Declaration by the Major Eri Opposition Parties after Gen MesfinJ Hagos’ New Declaration of An Alliance with Hiwehat” and endorsed by the same Eri Opp Parties.
    Enjoy!

    http://meskerem.net/London%20conference%20Resolutions%2007072020%20Final.pdf

    http://meskerem.net/

    • mad mullah

      Hello Sultan,
      The Eritrean problem is generational. I don’t think these dinosaurs have the answer to this question. People like Dr. Abiy would be considered as “youth” in the Eritrean worldview…
      We are suffering from the age of denqorocracy. Don’t expect much from the Eritrean.. just looking at their logo.. you realize it is bunch of dinosaurs…
      Eritrean are caught in vicious cycle because they are not capable of planting trees…

  • Dear forum friends,

    APPEAL TO ALL FORUM FRIENDS

    For years we have tried to provide you a civil forum where each of you, regardless of your identity, political views or partisan positions, feel at home. As you all know, as noble as that policy is, it cannot be maintained if users do not cooperate.

    For the most part, we all enjoy the many calm mature and mature debates, but oftentimes, a few members lower the bar of civility and hamper the smooth discussions.

    In the past we have warned, advised, and most of the time overlooked violators whose comments seem purposely crafted to irritate, to insult and to sow discord. However, the culprits are very few though others have to suffer from the outbursts, disrespect, and irresponsible behaviors. That must end.

    We do not think it is worth our time to serve those who take the forum for-granted and abuse the privileges provided to them. Worse, it’s frustrating for us to try to maintain a mature forum and at the same time watch silently as a few individuals persistently try to turn it into a a rowdy brawling platform. And to better serve the loyal friends of the Awate Forum, and to encourage the silent readers to participate, and attract the potential members, we have to keep this forum as clean as it was meant to be since its inception.

    At this moment, we are trying for form a team that will rewrite the positing guidelines and implement them strictly. Until then, we will be deleting abrasive, insulting, and unnecessarily provoking comments guided by fairness and discipline. We will not allow the reckless disruption of debates and discussion. And when we delete a comment that we believe is abusive and violates our posting guidelines, we will simply put “deleted” on the comment body. No communication will be entertained regarding the decision the moderators make.

    Sadly, you all remember that so far such deletion and warning has resulted in marginal improvements but the disruption is continuing unabated. But from today on, we will also block repeat offenders. We believe it’s our responsibility to protect the decent members from abuse and unbecoming insults.

    For your information, those who avoid participating actively (the silent readers), for fear of abuse, are ten times more than the active members. The behavior of a few members is discouraging them and at the same time is hampering this forum from attracting more people to make it even more vibrant.

    We believe most of you come here with good intentions to debate, teach and learn, and maybe to be entertained. Importantly, you come here because you have something to say and you know you can say it freely–that is what this forum has been for many of you for many years. But we also have a few who come here to turn the forum into a battleground where they aggressively peddle propaganda and partisan behaviors. But that is fine as long as they handle themselves with decency and by always being careful not to interrupt the free and decent flow of ideas in this forum.

    Finally, we appeal to all the disrupters to consider their attitudes, postures and behaviors towards other members of this forum. We hope we wouldn’t have to block anyone. But if that is what’s required to keep this forum clean, we will happily do it, regardless of the consequences.

    Thank you
    The Awate Team

    • Hashela

      Dear Team

      Thank you for the timely reminder. While these who use ethnic derogatory terms are few and known, many of us (including myself) get carry away and slide into polarizing discussion. Yes, we can do better.

      I commend you for acting swiftly whenever derogatory terms are used to collectively hurt ethnic groups. I wish, however, the team also protect individuals from being cruelly degraded. For instance, to call “single cell” or “sole-cell” to a human, a multi-cellular being, is deeply insulting. Instead being a part of the mob, the moderator should condemn and discourage the usage of this or similar derogatory term.

      Thank you for providing this unique forum and for “herding the cats”

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam All,

    Someone sent me the following link. The Oromo people and the Oromo Qerro are accusing Abiy for wagging a war against them. Hence, they are calling for a wide demonstrations and closing roads.

    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=284124176149890&id=1923584734523956

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear …Yes Amuni

      Here is from Assena “ATV: ዝርርብ ምስ ምሁር ፖለቲካዊ ስነፍልጠትን ተነጣጣፍን ኦሮሞ ዳኒኤል ዳፋ ብዛዕባ`ቲ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ዘመሓላለፎ መልእኽቲ – ብቴድሮስ መንግስቱ”

      And Abo, look where this prisoner learn Tigrinia..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwtN1X5O-v0&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=Rp30DVsuW7sfznu0%3A6

      KS..

      • Sultan

        Selam Kokhebay:
        Glad that you are doing well and your memory is back to normal:!
        Not sure the purpose of posting this link with obvious toxic propaganda !

        The so called Oromo Intellectual you referred expectedly exposed himself as a pseudo-intellectual mercenary by completely ignoring the constructive role of PIA has played for the noble cause of and Justice including for the “Self determination of the same Oromos !

        We can debate about the apparent “strategic or tactical mistake“ the EPLF might allegedly had made in collaboration with the TPLF during the post-immediate destruction of the derghi , which was done for tactical reasons.

        Granted, Eritrea, Eritreans and the EPLF in general and PIA in particular,cannot and should not be considered as the enemies of the Oromos but as the baby sitters,Nurturers and Saviors of the OROMOS and their legit struggle.

        But to spread a fake but toxic propaganda otherwise is dangerous and unprecedented as well as reckless desperado propaganda, which shall backfire against the same Propagandists!

        • sara

          selam sultan ,
          why is all this commotion about oromo, could this be a prelude to Oromay , OROMAY in our parlance.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam sara,

            Let me address just the phrase…..why is all the commotion about Oromo….
            The undeniable source of all the recent commotions (100 + years) is the same place. There were other commotions before with other targeted social groups.
            It was ELF—EPLF even TPLF at one time in recent history. Before that the concentrated commotion was for the Ogadenis in Somalia state. All the groups had their own legitimate grievances.
            Do you think they cared about the people in question? They search for troubled spots and fan the flames to engulf Ethiopia in constant disarray to preserve itself.
            They acted on their nightmares. Who is they? Egypt and most Arabs in their influence. I heard the Egyptian leaders with President Morsi in mistakenly open mike admitting their underhanded plots for the world to see. We knew it all along. It was nice see it with their own fumbling and mumbling.

            One of the nightmare they try to avoid, beside the religious aspect, was the GERD dam. GERD became a reality on the ground as we speak.
            Hopefully that realty over time would change their modus operandi in the future due to the fact it will no longer be their daily nightmare, time will tell.

            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Kim Hanna,
            For the first time, the egyptian government is talking about sprinkle irrigation instead of flood irrigation, which used to be the norm for millenia. Water conservation and desalination are also on egypt’s immediate program. This shows that they have been forced to accept the change in the status quo on the nile. Nevertheless, they will never stop to pressure ethiopia as long as the Nile is being shared by ethiopia too from vantage position, and it is no longer fully in egypt’s hands.

          • Teodros Alem

            horizon
            no, they starts glorifying Emperor HS and ethio- egypt old history too, i have seen 2-3 youtube videos and articles that shows they maybe will come up in different approach.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            A while ago, the Blue Nile used to flow eastward and discharge into the Indian Ocean! In a not so distant future, one hopes that Ethiopia diverts some of the Blue Nile water to the east and irrigates her vast semi-arid region. For that bold move, it will most likely need a PM from a minority group.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hashela,

            One of the benefits this forum provides learning prone participants is once in a while thought provoking information. This involve the knowledgeable or professionals. The first point in your entry is quite news to your truly. Aside from its political implication, it is quite a piece of information to amateurs like myself. So, would like to grace us by some extra information of such features-of-earth changing geological event that changed the direction of follow of the Blue Nile?

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            Indeed Awate is a university where occasionally interesting General Education (GE) classes are offered. I can do the Nile topics. Alternatively, I can write a piece that focuses on the physical basis and understanding of climate changes and its impact on society. Future Climate change is the biggest challenging globally and regionally. While the physics of climate change is very well understood, in the general public there is a lot of confusion and denials. That piece can be written in a that that accessible to none science folks.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            Exciting. Now you are talking and I like it. I think there are many here who waste their thoughts in a few lines. Here is what I think we should do and I hope you consider it seriously

            1- I have been to many scholarly meetings but I am often disappointed how all of the presentation are—theories that are not helpful for the uninitiated. For example: I was in a conference where Eritrean scholars presented wonderful ideas presumably targeting the Eritrean audience. But the context was far from it. Therefore, I think relating the theories to our reality would help.

            2- comments here have limited exposure but proper articles are exposed to wider audience and can frame the discussion instead of going everywhere with no connections to the main topic.

            3- when people write an article they can help direct the discussion by being involved and arguing their views for the rest to be engaged, correct, debate and learn in the process.

            4-when we do that we will have the ability to set the tone of the discussion by showing decency, humility and true search for knowledge and solutions. In addition to promoting civility and peace

            I could add more but that will do for now.

            Thank you

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            This is a great idea. I promise to occasionally contribute to the scientific enrichment of this great forum.

            Saleh, I love and fear your dramatic illustrations/graphics that accompany every article!! For my article, I would love to work with you on graphics and illustrations before the article is released to the public.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            Of course. Also better to prepare your own image:
            1- 660pixels by 334 pixels.

            2- It must not contradict the mission of the awate website.

            3- Images must be original and not copyrighted. If so, you must have a permission to use it or it must be sourced from websites that provide free images.

            4- Resolution is important–don’t get an image the size of a postage stand and blow it up to meet the size you want. If you do so, the quality deteriorates and it is not good for the image of the website.

            5. If you specify what you want on the image, we can provide help to do it for you.

            6-Do not forget titles and images are the responsibility of the editors but we can reasonably work around it.

            7- You must read the posting guidelines to help you stay with it.

            Thank you

          • Hashela

            Selam Uncle Saleh

            Thank you for the guidelines and reminder. I am familiar with rules and guidelines as I earn my bread by publishing original scientific works where I generate my data and create the graphics by myself and where acknowledgement of data usage generated by others is a must.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            I know but the reply though to you, is generic and intended for all. Thank you

          • Ismail AA

            Ahlen Saleh,

            I agree. That is what should happen. Most of the contributors of articles try their best to invest more time in responding to comments than the time they spent in researching and writing the articles. But, you know, the forum is also resided by individuals with ego driven agendas, and they stay in waiting for anything (even by implication) that touches what they come here to guard. The worst part of their game is that a few among them cannot do what they do without blending their comment with poison. Most of the time, they succeed to derail the debate and the poor authors end up seeing their ideas or messages disappearing in a jungle of (gualneger) initiated peripheral issues.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Ismail AA
            To show some support, I will stop my non-related silly poems 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            ዝኸበርካ ሃንደሳ:

            ኣይትበል ኣይፋላካን:-

            Your poems are full of wisdom..Don’t ever think of stopping to write such wise words on this site. Think of expanding it please..

            I will join you too soon.

            KS,,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Thank you KoKobay & SaleH,
            I don’t mean to disappear btw. I just want to stop inserting non related poems. Beside that, I will be here.

            Sulatan,
            You said [Your direct verbal attack on Prof Haile S the most or one of the most RESPECTED Intelligent and Genius Eri Intellectual(s)/Scientist(s)here and yet,down to earth human being, was and is the InKo reason he ran away!
            His “ crime”?
            Suggesting the inevitable border adjustment at Central border so as to put to final culmination/rest the Ethio-Eritrea border impasse !]

            You are contradicting yourself.
            How is that a scientist get offended by my arguments? We had disagreement on a specific subject and we moved on.

            Let me give you another topic, one member was complaining about the Ethiopian generals are from Tigray but he forgot about those called Eritrean generals are mostly from one region.
            Take a look at this, from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1QkIF7vlo0

            ቅድሚ ገዛ ጎረቤትካ ምንቃፍ ገዛኻ ኣጽሪ!

            Most of us we don’t know each other. If we disagree, it is the subject.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Engineer MM :-ዝኸበርካ ሃንደሳ:-

            ቀሲነ :-
            Nice ,we need you your positive attitude is very important to this site..You are the best one gentle man..Keep coming with your very nice poems..

            KS,,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ትሕሾ ኮኾባይ!

          • Sultan

            MM:
            Not only your Poems,which I enjoy and admire for the most , bit your direct VERBAL ABUSE of the formers needs to be STOPPED, and you should start respecting the opinions of other Eritreans and start thinking and acting like a Real Mehandis / Engineer.
            Your direct verbal attack on Prof Haile S the most or one of the most RESPECTED Intelligent and Genius Eri Intellectual(s)/Scientist(s)here and yet,down to earth human being, was and is the InKo reason he ran away!
            His “ crime”?
            Suggesting the inevitable border adjustment at Central border so as to put to final culmination/rest the Ethio-Eritrea border impasse !

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sultan,

            First, thank you for your nice words on me. I know they are deep from your heart and I felt them that way.
            Having said that I don’t claim all that, at all, and most importantly I am not a mountain. I am a participant like any who has feelings. And when I feel like I need to step back, I do, but I am still around and didn’t run away.

            On a positive personal level Sultan, I am closing on you, you the up-to-now elusive person :-). Don’t drag the discussion on the possiblity of knowing each other. I am trying my best not to drag irrelevant subjects. Thanks
            Best

          • Saleh Johar

            Mehandis,
            Your poems are topical. I hope everyone stayed on the topic like you. After all, we need an insightful and funny interjection when all hairs start to burn. In short, your request is denied 🙂

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Mehandis,
            I never read a single “silly poem” from you. The point I tried to make was about the annoyances and de-railings some who add practically nothing to our knowledge create. As Saleh aptly put it, in fact contributions you and the other poets make are useful. I have never seen them playing the role of diverting discussion on topics offered by good writers. Idle chatters who throw a line or two and take rest for another time do.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Hashela,

            Please do, and while you are at it, please include a word or two regarding Sahara Desert Expansion vis-a-vis The Great Green Wall.

            Some climate scientists seem to argue that the Sahara is not expanding but vegetation shrinking. You have my personal gratitude in advance!

          • Hashela

            Selam Fanti

            The history of the Sahara and its response to changes in climate forcings is relatively well understood.

            I think what you have in mind is what we call a positive vegetation-climate feedback mechanism. If one wants to quantify this biophysical process, it requires some mathematical acrobatics ( which Saleh will not allow it here because it is a bit messy:)).

            Qualitatively, it can be described as follow: if rainfall declines (due to climate change) the vegetation cover and its spatial extension gets reduced. The reduction of vegetation cover causes, in turn, a further reduction in rainfall. In short, the vegetation change due to climate changes amplify the climate changes.

            Another positive climate feedback mechanism which is easier to understand is the following: The ice sheet in Greenland and Antarctica is currently melting due global climate warming. The disappearance of the ice sheet enhances and accelerates global climate warming. The is because ice sheet is white which reflects the sun light back to the space without warming the ice. If the ice sheet disappears the sun light is absorbed by the naked soil which leads to warming of the soil.

            In short, vegetation and ice sheet changes due to climate changes further amplify the climate changes.

          • Selam Hashela,

            It is said that in the future, maybe a million years from now, nobody knows, the horn of africa may break off and become an island, the tear taking place through the rift valley. Few years ago there was an earthquake in the afar depression that left behind a big opening maybe kilometers long. The earth seems to be active in this part of the planet. Is it really so? I ask you because you seem to know the topic. It is scary to think of such geological changes taking place in a violent way through earthquakes and other similar phenomena like volcanoes.
            As to partially diverting the flow of the nile, i don’t think that it is necessary. Ethiopia has many rivers. Last time i think that i heard 44 in number. i don’t think that ethiopia has used the wabi shebelle and the genale rivers to their full capacity. Of course she has to take into consideration their importance to somalia as well.
            At the end of the day, climate change is the biggest enemy. Otherwise, if there is good will among nations, there is the way forward.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            Indeed, our region is geologically very dynamic. Usually the rift is slow and continuous (~2-5 cm per year) with occasional abrupt and large ruptures (~10 m in a week) like the one you are alluding.
            It is very like that in a million years Ethiopia will have its own access to the sea 😉

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I don’t think Ethiopia should wait until the sea comes to her doorsteps. She should go to the sea and grab it by the horn ( I mean port).
            Who in his right mind waits for a million years? Are you kidding me!

          • sara

            selam ato Abi,
            that will probably be at the end of time, day of judgment ,
            reminder… shall not covet…. what is not yours.

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            “አንኳኩ ይከፈትላችኋል እሹ ታገኙማላችሁ” ይላል ታላቁ መፅሐፍ::

          • sara

            selam ato Abi,
            you know never been to Gonder ,and your translation will be highly appreciated… only got the mexaf thing which is book etc.

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            You and I are the same. I’ve been to Gonder only once for one day.
            If you read the Mathew 7:7-8 you understand what I mean.

          • sara

            selam ato Abi,
            you made it again difficult, i know Mathew is a name, that i dont see
            here in the forum… thank you any way… i will ask my friend from
            addis when she visits .

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            As I have already intimated, your feigned obsession with Assab, the sea and ports is proof positive that you are a digital weyane member whose chore is to pretend to be an Amhara and throw these little darts with the intention of sowing discord and suspicion between Eritreans and the Amhara. In my earlier response to such a dart, I noted that anyone who knows about Asmara’s ኩቺነታታት has inadvertently revealed his identity!

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I’m proud to tell you that I’m probably the best student this university has ever seen.
            I learned about the ኩቺኔታ in one of introductory classes. We had fun .

            I know a little about planet Mars. Please don’t assume I have already been to Mars.
            I learned enough about Asmara just from attending classes. All I need to do is visiting the places I only know virtually.
            I like to take a ኩቺኔታ ride Asmara to Massawa.

          • Selam Hashela,
            What is a port without ships anchoring in it? It is similar to what our people say: “ላም ኣለኝ በሰማይ፣ ወተቷንም ኣላይ፤”.
            How would the world look like in the 22nd century, let alone in a million years?
            What are the chances planet earth will still be around in a million years?

          • Abi

            Horizon
            You are unusually slow today.
            A port without ships is called camels sanctuary. The better days are coming for the ports where the camels leave the sanctuary to be replaced by a bustling port city.
            YES WE CAN!!!

          • sara

            selam ato kim,
            i dont know why we always throw our problems are outsiders, why we don”t own our mistakes , weakness, faults etc,,, is this some thing
            to do with the culture of the region? as for the religious aspect you mentioned again its internal not external factor, one thing i know is
            according to some scholars…is Leave Abyssinia alone. thats why
            unlike many wars of the past in Mideast there was non in the region.
            so rest assured there are many who still abide by this saying.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam sara,

            I don’t think I blame the outsiders for all our ills. We make our own share of problems to be sure.
            The ills I mentioned, one could see and read from newspapers and statements of their leaders of recent past.

            I hope you have seen the President Morsi’s meeting with the political leaders (not lay people) that was inadvertently aired. They thought it was a secret meeting and were intimating their conviction in inflicting turmoil and pressuring Ethiopia for everyone to see.
            That was all I was pointing out for everyone to see.
            With respect.

            Mr. K.H

          • sara

            selam ato kim,
            you see , thats why i said last time you guys should have arabic language in your country… this would have helped you grasp
            what is said in the arab wold about ethiopia, not those minor
            pep talks we hear from politicians.
            the fact of the matter is , arabs have other issues on their platter
            yours is the last thing they could think of…. there are many who do not even know differences of our region… ethiopia, somalis..eritrea etc so rest well ..this third party translations fed to ethiopians by some with ill intentions will not bear fruit.
            with respect too

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sara,

            You are right, that unless the internal national forces are divide, the external forces will not get the door opened for intervention – albeit to maneuver the conflict to their interest. The first task to avoid “interventions” is: the internal national forces to come into a “negotiated solutions” on their differences. Unless we do that we will still remain the fertile ground for external forces, be it regional or international.

          • A.Osman

            Selam K.H,

            I listened to the linked Assenna interview by KS and few days back I saw an Oromo lady I think with a fb nick name JiJi or something similar really worked up with serious criticism on Eritrean involvement in Ethiopia. There seems to be an exaggerated understanding of Eritrean commando involvement in Ethiopia. I don’t think DIA has that capabilities as describes, but is evil enough to carry out such mission, if he could.

            Even though the majority of Eritreans are against interference in Ethiopian affair, we will be implicated by the actions of our dictator and will shoulder the consequences of his action.

            The Assenna interviewer was taken aback by the determination of the Oromo interviewee, he even had to be careful not to offend him by switching Addis to Finfine and the use of Ethiopia to specifics like Oromya and other regions. The interviewee that imposing and was past Federation arrangement and thinking Independence if a comprised option of Confederation failed. The ball seems on those working hard trying to restore a Unitary government (Neftegna as he calls them) to quell their ambition or else. It is quite worrying what is brewing in Ethiopia.

            Focusing on Egypt or Arabs to make it sound as the instigator of the Oromo revolt and paint the Oromo as less patriotic is like burying your head under the sand. If Egypt is involved, their link is to our dictator and he seem to be supporting PMAbey not the other way around. Your understanding on Eritrean struggle for independence and the credit you give to Egypt or others, shows how misguided you are and you still find comfort in such convenient analysis.

            On foreign involvement -The truth is without the American support to Haile Sellasie and the Russian support to Derg, our struggle would not have lasted 30 years. You national challenge is much bigger than then, the foreign “Arab” support is more with the government of Abey than those who are opposing it, but that support will not have as much impact as the two previous superpowers, so is better Ethiopians listen to each other. The GERD issue is fait accompli – both Ethiopian and Egyptian were peddling the recent propaganda just to divert from their internal challenges.

            I wish DIA stays clear, now I am more leaning to the idea that the opposition needs to work with TPLF/Tigray as his action will pose existential threat to both sides and his by any means approach needs to be reciprocated to stop him digging a bigger hole than we ever expected.

            Regards
            AOsman

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Thank you, Kokhobay. will call you tomorrow,

    • Sultan

      Selam Prof Aman:
      It is only constructive to avoid obsession with Dr AAA !
      Dr AAA has never denied them anything but told them repeatedly that “You The OROMOS are the Rulers from now on”!
      And they are the de facto RULERS in every aspect ….
      They are even practically taking over Finfinie.
      Simon’s” arrogance” about or towards the Oromos might make a partial sense for not ruling and stabilizing themselves!
      Dr AAA expressed his confusion and dilemma about as to what really the Oromos want !
      They are killing each other and destroying their own Region for nothing not to mention the unprecedented religious nature of the de facto civil war.
      Why should they destroy their own growing and developing Shashemenie?
      You know the answer and you know who might be behind the so called chaotic and terrorist style reckless demonstrations .
      The fact that you sound “ excited” about this mess and implicating it to Dr AAA is worrisome and an uncalled for bravado as an Eritrean Intellectual !
      We are expected to call for and ADVOCATE for a peaceful solution, not for a destructive Civil War.
      I bet the email is being distributed by none but by Alula Solomon and his mercenary pseudo-Doctor Oromo.
      I am saying this confidently coz Alula declared via a twitter celebrating the destruction of Shahemenie by the clue less and goal-less Querro…. besides encouraging them to keep going and advising them saying:
      ”Keep destroying it since we will rebuild Oromia again together”!

      You sound like Alula Solomon and his mercenary Oromo “ Doctor” when you are bringing that link!

      Please STOP this nonsense!
      His Oromo mercenary “ Doctor” subsequently twitted same CC “Celebratory Message” of Ally’s Solomon!

      • Paulos

        Sultan,

        Why do you always talk in hyperbole, melodrama and superlatives? Why can’t you just make a normal comment? Really!

        • Sultan

          Doc:
          It is a deliberate one and that is only to express to the max as to how much and how far Eritrea and Eritreans have been victimized for close to a century!

    • Paulos

      Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

      BBC Amharic today reported that, Dawd Ibsa, the Chairman of OLF is put under house arrest where his residence is surrounded by Federal Police including his phone service is disconnected. It is really a heightened development where it is anybody’s guess how it is going to pan out in the end if there is going to be an end at all.

      Certainly, I am not the best qualified person to shed light on the genesis of OLF nor do I am an authority to opine on this rather large topic but will try to say a thing or two based on my reading of interest.

      History can be written at any length or scope and it is said that, one can write the history, say, of the Universe in one page and one can equally write the life cycle of a Butterfly in fifty volumes. But the more is better understood in the less.

      The genesis or foundation of OLF including as a structured national ethos can be traced back to the early 1960s or 1963 to be exact when a charity organization or more of a Self-Help Association was founded–named Mecha and Tulama. The Association at the outset was a benign streak with an objective to expand educational, communication and health facilities in the Oromo inhabited areas. More over, it wasn’t of an Oromo extract exclusively for it had well known personalities from the Southern nationalities as well. But it wasn’t too long before the Association was under the suspicion and watchful eye of the Imperial regime. The suspicion became more acute when the then commander of the Police force–Brigadier General Taddesse Birru joined the Association and subsequently was elected its Chairman.

      The Association in no time started to carry political and nationalistic overtones when it identified itself with the uniqueness of the Oromo identity not only in ethnicity and history but in language as well for it belongs to the Cushtic family of languages an offshoot of the Afro-Asiatic proto-languages. The political posturing turned to violence when the members in 1966 attempted to assassinate the Emperor on the anniversary of his coronation but failed by the latter’s security forces. The incident was followed by a bombing in one of the downtown cinemas in which members of the Association were implicated.

      The General [Taddesse Birru] who had retreated to the bush, was captured and sentenced to death. But the sentence was later commuted to life imprisonment, which remained in force until 1974. He was released when the Revolution broke out but the fact that he was a staunch supporter of self determination including Oromia independence, he had a falling out with the Dergue and was executed in 1975 on a trumped up charge of opposing to the Land Reform proclamation.

      In 1971, an Oromo underground organisation had been set up by former members of the earlier mentioned charity organization–Mecha and Tulama Association under a rather deceptive and generic name–Ethiopian National Liberation Front [ENFL]. But it was not able to make a dent or get off the ground but mingled with the then መ.ኤ.ሶ.ን for most members of the latter were Oromos and found the same commonality in ethnicity with እ.ጫ.ት as well. That said however, both መ.ኤ.ሶ.ን and እ.ጫ.ት had ceased to have any political impact by 1978.

      As a cutoff and a starting point, 1976 is considered as the year where OLF explicitly identified itself as the sole organization which stood for Oromo interests. Later on, it gained logistical and technical support from EPLF and went on waging guerilla operations in South-Eastern Ethiopia, in the Harer region and from across the Sudan into the Western Ethiopia as well. But inflicted with internal divisions and unable to achieve any meaningful mobilization among the Oromo, it was not a major threat to the Dergue as opposed to EPLF or TPLF. The division that had weakened the OLF continued to be its Achilles Heel into the years of EPRDF as well and it will be seen if it is going to find a rallying cry and a unifying ethos when Abiy opts to use a heavy stick as opposed to a dangling carrots.

      N.B. Most of the contents are taken from Bahru Zewdie’s book, “A History of Modern Ethiopia. 1855-1991.”

      • Teodros Alem

        paulos
        From 1991-2020, dawd and olf also known as glf were in exile in eritrea and in other countries fighting eprdf. glf was a major threat by far for eprdf since 1991 to 1917. glf is no longer a threat for ethiopia because there r no eritrea there to support olf(glf) and they will end up fighting themselves.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Dr. Paulos,

        Thank you. This is a good review to those who need to have some background information. By the way, trust the professional integrity of Bahru Zewdie and his research. The OLF is perhaps one of the oldest armed-political resistance movement in the Horn area. By mid-1970s, it had fairly wide support among the rural inhabitants of the Oromo people. This span mostly from Wellega, through Keffa to Borona land and east to Harar. The OLF political presence had even expanded to some middle east countries. I happened to know they had an information and foreign contacts office in Beirut, Lebanon, that established relations with Eritrean as well as Palestinian resistance movement. T

        • Paulos

          Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

          Glad you liked it and I agree that Bahru Zewdie is one of the serious scholars whose work enriched the rest of us as we try to learn more about the ever restless region which refused to let up as we speak as well.

          As you know, in the mid 16th Century, the Oromos took advantage of the war fatigue that had lasted for 15 years between Ahmed Gragne and the Gonderine Monarchy and pushed up which is known as “The Great Oromo Migration.” Not only their presence was deeply palpable but they went as far as making the working language in the King’s Court in Gonder Oromifa as well. Moreover, they played a decisive role as King-makers and breakers that had torn the nation in the century ahead otherwise known as “The Era of the Princes.”

          That glory–a bolt in the past remained arrested when the players rose from Shewa that had dominated the national discourse into the mid 1970s. The shift of power to the Tigreans during the last 27 yeas equally made elite Oromos unease when they received the ascension of Abiy to power as the come back of the Oromos riding the mantle of power. But obviously, that is not the case when Abiy started off by resurrecting former Ethiopian leaders who had done wrong to the Oromos so much so that the young and charismatic artist ህጫሉ ህንዴሳ is believed to have been killed when he disparaged Emperor Menilik in the previous weeks. Again, it will be seen if the death of the young artist or the arrest of prominent Oromo political leaders will unify the Oromos or if the master of divide and crash Isaias consults Abiy to carry out as such. Time as they say is a the hidden factor and we shall see.

          • Teodros Alem

            paulos
            There is no such history that oromo language used as kings court at the time, that is a lie, the only known history the oromos(galas) had after the gala migration was “aste bekafa” mother was half oromo and one of the king at the time used about 500 gala soldiers in one of so many fights with Turkey.

      • David Samson

        Selam Paulos,

        As far as I know, Dawd Ibsa was a friend of IA. First time you have not mentioned your tormentor. It looks like my prescription is working.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dr Paulos,

        Thank you for this insight, in to the struggle of Oromia people. The Oromia people will find a new life to their struggle, by the new Oromo generation (the Qerro movements) who are ready to give everything, including their lives, to empower the Oromo people and to regain their stolen land by the consecutive Shoan ruling class. They have lived in a destitute serfdom under the Shoan ruling class for centuries. Unfortunately, one of their own, who is an opportunist, came by the back door of power structure, is now in full swing, squashing the Qerro movements and their aspirations.

        It is Very strange, to kill his own people, to stay in power, at any cost. A student of our despot can not bring stability nor could harmonize the multicultural society that are at each other’s throat. The ground is fertile for any kind of military coup, though I don’t favor to happen – for a simple reason that a coup could not be a solution to the nature of grievances of multicultural social groups.

        • Teodros Alem

          aman h
          ……..man walking, if u r talking about 3A ? He is half and half but he knows what it means nation building and tribalism, i wish u don’t die for the next 10 years and see where ethiopia will be in the next 10 years. 10 more miserable and painful years.

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    መወድኢ እኽሊ
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    ሕጸ ህግደፍ ምስ ደርጊ-ነበር
    ሕቕቕ ፍቕሪ
    ኣብ ቦሌ ኣብ ሰምበል
    ወያነ ‘ተጠፊኣ
    ዋላ ኤረትራ ግብ ትበል

    ዝዓይነቱ
    ኣብ ገዛ-ዓዋተ ነጊሱ
    ጽንሕ ኢልናስ ገለ ክንሰምዕ ኢና

  • Selam Abi,

    These are the words of PMAA at the conference with the people of afar. “ደርግን የጣለው ኢሐደግ ኣይደለም፣ ደርግን የጣለው ደርግ ነው። ደርግን መጀመሪያ የጣለው ደርግ ነው። ደርግ ገዳይ ባይሆን፣ ደርግ ጨፍጫፊ ባይሆን ኖሮ ማንም ሊጥለው ኣይችልም።”
    What is so odd about this statement from its philosophical and practical point of view that digital woyane went crazy and is accusing him day and night for this? Why do they think that pmAA diminished the accomplishments of their tplf as the sole victor over the derg?
    Just look at how digital woyane distorted what the ethiopian PM said to accuse, demean and demonize him. Fake news and distortions of things said and done by this man, are the obsession and the modus operandi of digital woyane, especially the eritrean branch.
    From what I know Fanti Ghana is a Tigrayan and a tplf member. I think that he said so in the past, if i am not mistaken. Look how he is attacked by eritrean tplf/woyanes, so that even a tigrayan can’t say his opinion freely. They have completely forgotten the plight of eritrea and they are invested in defending tplf day and night, even against tigrayans who are not hundred percent in line with tplf all the time.
    You can google “ጠ/ሚ ዶ/ር አብይ አህመድ ከአፋር ህዝብ ጋር ያደረጉት ሙሉ ውይይት PM Dr Abiy Ahmed discusses with the people of Afar”. The URL says simply “youtube.com” and nothing else. The above statement is his first words on the video.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Horizon,

      I can’t wait to hear from Ras Abi, until then here is mine.
      On behalf of Fanti Ghana, let me say thank you for highlighting his integrity and fact based participation at this forum.
      I also thank you for your resourcefulness to advance your argument. Well done.

      So next time, you and I hear from Fanti on a topic, let us listen carefully before we jump on him like Nitricc. Thanks again.

      Mr. K.H

    • Abi

      Hello Horizon +Mr Kim
      What PMAA said about derg is absolutely true. His Fantiness is right on this for a chance. አንዳንዴም በዋልድባ ይዘፈናል

      When General ደምሴ ቡልቱ was killed during the coup in 1981 EC, the ወንበዴዎች said “ ደርግ ቀኝ እጁን በግራ እጁ ቆረጠው”. Basically, derg killed itself.
      I don’t know why the handsomely compensated weyane stooges made a big deal about it?
      I think they need to keep the check coming.

    • Samuel

      Selam Horizon,
      Let’s not try to beautify what his core message was, the reason why he said what he said was to appease Derg sympathizers, look who is defending now? The same people who admire Menelik, HS and Derg. His actions speak louder than his words. Abiy’s special forces are killing innocent Ethiopians for demanding their fundamental rights, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

      I am sure you have read Abiy’s book “እርካብና መንበር”, the following quote is taken directly from his book page 38.

      “ሰዎች ራስ ወዳድ ናቸውና በጥቅም ሂድባቸው። የሚፈልጉትን እያሳየህ ወደ ምትፈልገው ስፍራ ውሰዳቸውና ጣላቸው። ከዚያም “በሬ ሆይ! ሳሩን አይተህ ገደሉን ሳታይ የሚለውን ተረት ተርትባቸው። ይህን መሰሉ ለዘብተኛ የኃይል አጠቃቀም ዘዴ ሰላም ሳይበጠበጥ ህዝብም ሳያጉረመርም የተደላደለ ስልጣን ባለቤት ለመሆን ያግዛል።”

      Can you explain what that means? Can you tell us the contextual meaning?

      Thanks,

      • Selam Samuel,
        The main point is that if you build your opinion on lies, what you say is lies, and it can never be the truth. Moreover, nobody will trust you again and you lose the respect of your audience. That is the fate of digital woyane.
        Well, you can say you are part of the trumpian world, where fake news has its use and alternative truth is the truth for any liar.
        For tplf and its supporters it has always been the same, the ends justifies the means, a Machiavellian way of caring out politics, with murders, betrayal and lies.
        Ethiopians have come to understand what tplf stands for, i.e. the destruction of Ethiopia, and they are abhorred with it, never to see its face again. This is tplf’s future, i.e., to face its demise in isolation, and for its supporters to go bankrupt.
        What does all these show? Hopelessness, frustration and defeat.
        This is also for those who try to sugarcoat their lies.
        Can you explain the world to a person who has been taught to see the world only through a tunnel?

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Horizon,

      Somewhere over the horizon
      In a moment of zen
      muses an old woman whether it is tautology season

      As if they discover truth eternal
      They declare, their chests swell
      If it wasn’t oppressive and cruel
      The derg wouldn’t fall

      Oh dear me if it wasn’t oppressive and cruel
      Neither would the oppressed rebel

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Nicely put, ኣሞይ!

      • Abi

        Abrehet haftey
        It is always a good day when you show up. Now that you are here, female participation rose by a considerable percentage. Please do your best in keeping the percentage high.

      • Teodros Alem

        abrehet
        r u saying tplf rebel because derg were oppressive and cruel? derg and tplf came to existence almost same time, when tplf ( tigrai liberation front) rebel, they don’t even know what kind of gov derg were. It’s just amazing how almost all tplf and tplf supporters r none sense(- meles, at least he sometimes make sense, specially if the topic is about international, regional and somehow economy)

      • Selam Abrehet Yosief,
        The world suffers because of lies. The truth has never hurt anybody. Tplf’s lies and conspiracy is destroying ethiopia, trump’s lies is destroying the US. Those who use lies as a weapon, digital woyane in our case, should be exposed whenever possible. There is no big or small lie. A lie is a lie whether it comes from digital woyane or somebody else. Hiding lies in many different ways can’t change its nature. It remains a lie.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Horizon,

          Those who are hiding behind pen names, who are cowards, are the sources of lies in this forum, that include yourself.

          • Selam Amanuel H.,
            I doubt that there is a dishonest person like you in this forum. You have been telling us that one of your achievements is that you have put your name and picture on the forum. You call that bravery and truthfulness.
            Look at your job in this form. It is to serve and worship your tplf masters, even dead ones. No one is committed to tplf on this forum as you are.
            Let me tell you why you have your picture and your name. It is for the sake of your credentials.
            Why do you work for tplf? Because you want a position in tomorrow’s pro- Tplf eritrean government. You can’t do your job using a nick name, when your plan is to get a position out of the service you render to your masters.
            Who knows who I am, for example. Nobody, and I have no plans.
            Look at the genuine and truthful people in this forum who come out with their real name and picture. They are true to their country and people all the time. They focus on their country and people day and night, while you work full time for tplf. They do not advertise their names and pictures to everybody as you do. People know them for their commitment to their country and people, unlike you whose commitment is for a foreign power, for that a power that has ill wishes towards eritrea.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            You hit the snail right on the head.
            Showing ID is not a mandatory to make a comment for the average Awatista unless an individual is compensated for his comments by የበላይ አካል.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Cowards shoot from their caves aimlessly and you are an exemplary of them or one of them. You are someone that lacks the relationship of your view with who you are- with no link between your mind and your body – which is a defective by nature. The wayane will be in your scaring dream till your last breath.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Horizon,

      Long time no talk, and thank you for the welcome on your other post.

      It looks like you found that speech, at least partially. I didn’t have time yesterday to check ETV (original broadcaster) and FANA seems to have removed the second half of the speech, but you got the gist of it and that is probably enough.

      For what it is worth, I have that entire segment of Abiy’s speech in writing, and his thesis clearly states that lack of people’s support is the core reason governments fall.

      Having said that, let me also add that neither Samuel, Dr. Paulos, or any body else who believes Abiy is DERG sympathizer is necessarily wrong and definitely not ‘distorting the fact’, because

      1. When Abiy said “DERG was not defeated by EPRDF,” many people and some media outlets took it out of context and it was widely circulated as such. Since no one disputed the fact at the time, it is understandable if some perceived it as a fact several rounds later.

      2. Abiy’s subsequent behavior and his associations include known DERG officials and some with questionable past and present political ideologies.

      We can argue that he adheres no ideology, he is trying to be inclusive, or we can argue that he is allying himself with anyone who opposes TPLF, but the point is that no one is trying to lie, distort, or deceive anyone here.

      Most people, if not all, form and express opinions based on statements they receive from their trusted sources of information, intuition, past experience, and similar methods.

      To make our discussions useful, it is prudent we a) assume positive interpretation of any statement first, and b) challenge the fact and not the person when necessary.

      Thanks.

      • Paulos

        Selam Fantination,

        The Tigrean people and yourself included as I believe that you are a Tigrean as well were ready to see Abiy in a better light and give him a chance till he exposed himself for what he truly is when he made a pact and befriended with the mortal enemy of the Tigrean people–Isaias Afwerki. Moreover, when he got to the podium with Isaias as the guest of honor at the Millennium Hall, Abiy praised all the former Ethiopian leaders when he refused to mention Meles instead he set out to destroy the former’s legacy.

        One can aptly make the argument that TPLF is a political party nothing more than the mushrooming political parties in Tigrai. The reality however is more than the naked eye can meet and an onlooker can glean over. For exactly one century, the Tigreans were reduced to nobodies where their sense of pride and glorious history was systematically torn to shreds till TPLF restored it with leaps and bounds where every Tigrean is walking with his or her chins up. That is what TPLF means to every Tigrean. And this critical ingredient is sadly amiss to any one who shouts day in and day out about the Weyane this and Weyane that including in this Forum by absolutely clueless people.

        Abiy had an ample time to rectify the “out of context” interpretation you are trying to frame and why didn’t he redress it if he was genuine about the mishap? The truth is, he is what he is no matter how one tries to recalibrate him. And it is too late for the Tigrean people see him any different than their historical sworn enemies.

        • Teodros Alem

          paulos
          what is tigrai history? without confusing geez history with tigrai history can u tell us what is tigrai history? most part of present day tigrai was even ruled by “weg shome” before tewodros came to power, what pried r u talking about ? tigraians r the most by far beggars in the streets of addis under meles or now, comparing the percentage of tigrai population vs others, tigraians r by far the most refugees in Yemen, Saudi, Libya and so on .what pride r u talking about? r u talking about pride on internet or what?

        • Abi

          Paul
          As expected, you are the first one to shoot at Saint Fantiness.
          ወደ ሲኦል እንዳትወርድ!

      • Abi

        Fantastic
        1 Since you are using a nickname, you are assumed a coward.
        2 Since you don’t attached your picture from elementary school years, you are not a trustworthy Awatista.
        3 Since you are not hammering PMAA, you are a derg sympathizer.
        4 Since you have a different take on this issue, you are most probably an Amharized Oromo.
        5 Since you believe in a United and strong Ethiopia, you are definitely an Amhara.
        6 Keep your bulletproof vest and helmet close by.
        7 Reinforce your undisclosed bunker.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear all,

    15 Years to see this deadly weed call Emboch….. and is Lake Tana is danger..

    “ባህር ዳር ተገኝተናል እንቦጭን እኛም ነቅለናል” እንቦጭ አደጋ ነው የቅዳሜ ከሰዓ አቅራቢዎች በባህር ዳር

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I9mUiAqqz0

    I want you to think what is the solution…
    KS,,

  • Dongolo

    Selam folks. Just don’t get it. Ethiopia is in a total mess with more than 115 million people, most are food insecure, with fires everywhere in their own backyard, and yet they choose to spend all their time on an Eritrean website. Add on those that are obviously on the TPLF payroll pretending to be Eritreans and you end up with a real comedy show.

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    ልደቱ ኣያሌው got arrested today by the Federal Police accused of inciting violence in Oromia region. Practically all key figures of the Opposition are arrested reminiscent of September 18 when Isaias arrested his former colleagues. The strategy is to keep them locked up till they are forgotten as the G-15 in Eritrea are and Ethiopians will be limited to ኣንረሳቹሁም as we say every September 18 ኣይረሳዕናኩምን when we in reality actually have forgotten them. Sad!

    • Abi

      Paul
      There should be no place in Ethiopia for people who incite violence.
      They should be thrown in prison for at least 50 years.

      • Paulos

        Abination,

        “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–because I was not a Socialist.

        Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–because I was not a Trade Unionist.

        Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–because I was not a Jew.

        Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.”

        Martin Niemoller [1892-1984.]

        • Abi

          Paul
          You incite violence, you go to prison.
          Why is it complicated for a person whose knowledge is ከሰማይ የራቀ ከባህር የጠለቀ?

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            You know it well that this is not about knowing a thing or two but about compunction and moral standing. To the very least we are expected to say, he is innocent till he is proven guilty in a court of law. If it means anything, they arrested him while he was ready to fly out abroad with his plane ticket in his hand for medical treatment.

          • Abi

            Paul
            So you expected the authorities to let him leave the country after inciting violence?
            He can get the necessary treatment at the prison’s clinic.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            ምን ነካህ? That is so cruel!

          • Abi

            Paul
            What is cruel is inciting violence in a country where people are dying left and right in hundreds.
            ምነው አንተና ጏዶችህ በወያኔ ፍቅር አይንህና ልባችሁ ታወሩባችሁ?

    • Samuel

      Selam Paulos,
      PMAA and his groups are at the eleventh hour, you will hear many arrests in the coming days. The 4Kilo king is in hot seat, the world is watching him closely.

      The individuals around Abiy are a bunch of incompetent individuals who are hiding themselves under “Medemer-Ethiopia narrative”. The truth is they are expansionist and irredentist individuals who are the leftovers of Derg regime.

      He started his narrative with — the last 27 years was “years of darkness” and “Derg wasn’t defeated”. Why would he care about Derg regime unless he is trying to appease the advisors around him? Derg is well-known butcher, you don’t need to associate yourself with Derg unless you are one of them, but he did.

      We have witnessed last week when one of the Derg general advising Abiy on TV “to kill the youth and other derogatory words”. Who in his right mind would say that on TV unless you are Derg remnant? They are blood-thirsty scavengers.

      Yesterday I was watching TMH video, one of the panelist shared this interesting quote — “Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.” By Chinua Achebe — Nigerian novelist

      Thanks,

      • Paulos

        Selam Samuel,

        The key that needs to unravel is what was agreed and signed on in Saudi Arabia with Isaias presence. Abiy must be under duress to deliver something he promised where he can not seem to get out from. The assumption must had been the Weyanes are done and it would be a walk in the park for him but it turned out it was a grave miscalculation. It is the same like the drug cartel where once you are in you can not get out. If push comes to shove, Isaias will drop him for he is used to outright betrayal and switching sides and that isn’t too foggy to see it coming.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Paulos,

          I really don’t know why you seem to always make the assumption this is Isayas Afeworki work. Isayas Afeworki has never done anything to harm Ethiopia and Ethiopia interests. His fight with TPLF was because he believes they are working against the united Ethiopia. I think Abi mistake is, getting cosy with Isayas because he is a liability for him as TPLF and other can use him against him.

          I mentioned to Emma I was listening to the journalist “Araya Tesfamariam”. I know you know the TPLF politicians and inter-working really well. Honestly I have no idea in detail about TPLF and Ethiopian politicians other than what affects Eritrea.

          I can tell you, if this is true what is said about TPFL, Melles, Aboy Sibhat, Bereket Simon, etc…they are no different that PFDJ and IA doing to Eritrean people. I can’t see any difference, may be the degree may be different but I can’t imagine this is how TPLF operated.

          What’s your thoughts. Is he really lying? And you in your right mind, actually think they were doing a great job (with your priase of Getachew Assefa and all).

          Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhe,

            I don’t really know who this Araya guy is nor do I have any interest listening to what he has to say. Frankly, I find it tiring arguing about the same thing over and over again. You believe Isaias is bad for Eritrea but good for Ethiopia. I have a different take on that. Please let’s leave it at that.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            If you don’t know him, wouldn’t be interested to know and what he has to say. He is Ethiopian journalist who was writing so many papers about TPLF and their corruption / administration.

            I asked you to listen to him, so that to get your opinion on what he is saying, as I think you have a lot more knowledge about TPLF and their inter-working than I.

            But if I hear one more time, the Tigray people and TPLF:), just joking. The way he describe Melles and Aboy Sibhat, I don’t see any difference than what we know about Isayas.

            Berhe

          • Consolation

            aya Berhe

            The horrendous crimes that Meles committed and chronicled by Tesfamariam puts that midget in a class of his own. Murdering 1500 TPLF fighters by poison is beyond comprehension. ጕሓፍ ጽረጉለይ is what he ordered. The more one knows about the TPLF the more I marvel at how Eritrean kedemti weyane try to apologize for the most evil TPLF thugs.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Consolation. Meles is responsible for the loss of more Eritrean, Ethiopian and Somali combined lives then Dink HIM and Meghistu combined. On top of that he created a huge food dependency problem compounded by rampant Khat use, resulting in a large percentage of Ethiopia’s young adults who are always sleeping and too stoned and/or lazy to work. On top of that he made his wife to be Ethiopia’s Queen of Corruption to amass billions of dollars.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            Any statistical figure to substantiate your claim? Do you mind to give us any reference, especially when you talk about statistical figures? Don’t expect us to take it as is.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            These people are funny. Absolutely funny. Why would Tigreans celebrate Meles’ legacy with pride and gusto if what they are spilling out is not a trumped up and concocted clap-trap. You don’t have to be a cerebral to understand that.

            Aregawi the loser, Giday the bitter have been saying that for ages and it is not new if the new guy on the air tells fantastic tales as well. Nothing new when Meles the giant and one of the greatest leaders the Continent ever produced is what he is and what he will be to eternity!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            Some have turned this wonderful forum to a kind of fans of contending teams demarcated soccer field. I always pray those who come here to educate and learn would simply ignore the idle chatters who await in ambush for some comments and throw a line or two and staying on watching for the next victim. The moderators did their best to advice, warn and sometimes kick out the most arrogant among them.
            Now, you wrote about legacy. This is something concrete that no amount of denial can erase. If I were to speak about the legacu of the late Meles Zenawi, I think poor farmers who had hitherto only heard about electricity and electric lumps shall talk him for what he had done to build the GERD. People will speak for generations that electricity came to their remote villages from the dam built during the time of a ruler named Meles Zenawi. Who can erase that? Compare that to what the despot in our land will leave: the infamous Sawa of course that generations will struggle not to remember.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            When a person like you with a wealth of erudition and life experience comments, I take it serious and I truly hope that others do as well for you speak the truth nothing but the truth.

            I never met Meles or the others in the leadership. I am an Eritrean not a Tigrean but as much as I have interest to learn more about Eritrea’s historiography including its politics, I have equal interest in learning about Ethiopia in general and Tigrai in particular as well. And if any thing higher learning institutions taught us at all it is how to think critically so that any conclusions we draw becomes balanced devoid of emotions or human vagaries. And my readings particularly in Meles’ legacy is what you have aptly summarized. The man was of a different breed and way ahead of his time but left early. That said, he has won immortality for posterity will see him in a better light than men with optical illusion who are determined to displace his right full place in history.

          • Hashela

            Selam Consolation and Berhe

            The demonization of Eritrean struggle and its success and the sanctification of everything TPLF did and is doing by a certain group here has no limits.
            The revelation of TPLF’s horrendous crimes by Tigrayans like Araya is important. It is not surprising that TPLF supporters here are allergic to this kind of revelation. It is also an important revelation to these who see TPLF as the Moses who will librate us from PFDJ enslavement.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Hashela (stand to be corrected if I mistook the title),
            In my humble view, history is its own judge. I mean no amount of denigration or demonisation, as you put it, can change the essence and facts of the Eritrean struggle. The same goes regarding other struggles seen through the lens of its owners. What goes on, written or said about our people’s glorious struggle of our people in social or electronic media forums can be graded up to its highest value as chat city folks used to exchange in rendezvous spots like Bet Shahi Hatzey or Portico in Asmara during our time there.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            Indeed “no amount of denigration or demonisation, as (he) put it, can change the essence and facts of the Eritrean struggle. The same goes regarding other struggles seen through the lens of its owners.”

            Only a “historian” like yourself can put the way you did. And only rationale people can understand your message. History can not be written by hate mongers. Thank you.

            Regard

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Samuel,

        I think comparing PMAA to Derg is such an outlandish statement, I will leave it as something said in anger.
        It is true, I always thought Lidetu Ayalew was somewhat of an average good politician all along. However, I don’t know what his transgression is. I have seen him on youtube discussion and the like paling around with Jawar and I believe Jawar is a bad news.

        The condemnation I see from you, Paul and Amanuel is not justified. You all probably blame him for paling around PIA. That is another story by itself.
        I wrote few days ago addressed to Nitricc somewhere below that the “Shashemene” town burning and ethnic cleansing must be a game changer. It was an out of bound rebellion by some who organized and destroyed peoples lives and the business district guided by ethnic cleansing.
        I would have lost faith in PMAA had he gone on and talked about “Medemer” in light of what took place. The emboldened terrorists would have come for the 4-5 million residents of Addis, by that time it would have been too late to do anything.
        I will go further, with my limited information, PMAA have to make an example of those who conducted and committed these murders for the future ethnic cleansers and town burners. It must be rooted out.

        I hope PMAA makes a periodic announcement as to the true nature of these people following the investigations and court proceedings.

        Mr. K.K

        P.S
        I sent an email to Awate.com yesterday from my phone. I am very technologically challenged person.
        I hope the warden will do me a favor and keep the private information (phone# and name) but show the attached Haile Sellasie picture and statement about the Dam on the Nile. I know it is too much to ask but I will ask it.

        • Samuel

          Selam Kim Hanna,

          I think comparing PMAA to Derg is such an outlandish statement, I will leave it as something said in anger.

          To be honest with you it’s not out of anger, I am worried about the country, I am not sure how you are getting your information but the country is going in the wrong direction. If you can, please call to Ethiopia and try to hear information from individuals who have different political views. The political space that Abiy promised 2018 has diminished to zero and going to negative territory. He has arrested all the competent opposition leaders who challenged his power like Lidetu, Yilkal Getnet, Jawar, Bekele Gerba, Eskinder Nega, many journalists, etc.

          He has closed TV channels that have exposed his crimes and arrested prominent journalists. Is that what he promised? Is that your expectation?
          Let me share what he said in 2018 when he visited US —
          “ሚድያውን ዘግቶ ሃሳብ ዘግቶ ለብቻ ምርጥ መሆን የሰፈር ኣለቃ ያደርግ ይሆናል እንጂ ኢትዮጵያዊ ኣያደርግም።”

          After two years how is it ok today to close TV channels that have different views than his? He condemned EPRDF for abusing their power (rightly so), how is Abiy any different from EPRDF with regard to political space? One of the main reasons of the “reform” was to have free political competition and freedom of the press. Do you think we have that today?

          Have you ever seen a leader of a country (PMAA) conspiring against his own people (Tigray/TPLF) with head of state another country (IA)? Treason?

          If he wasn’t trying to appease his Derg advisors, Why did he say “Derg wasn’t defeated”? What was his motive?

          Thanks,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Samuel,

            “Derg wasn’t defeated…” that is what a pastor or a philosopher at a funeral say that the person in the coffin is not dead…. he lives in our hearts kind of statement. That is not your strong point.
            Your strongest point is his relationship with PIA and what they might be talking about TPLF. I hope you are absolutely wrong about that. I believe PMAA is smart enough to know that cooperating with a foreigner to heart your own people is an error of historic proportion, deservedly so.

            In Shashemene the school director or owner whose buildings and classrooms were burned gave an interview describing his experience. After the mayhem, the thugs held him up and asked him to apologize to them. I believe he was half Oromo. The police stood down and watched when the thugs went through town with a list in their hands.

            Don’t you think the perpetrators, the organizers and the financiers of these murders and town burners be arrested? We will learn later the extent of their participation.
            This kind of complex operation is organized. Who did this? Who told the police chief/mayor to stand down? Who financed it? Who were the leaders and those who plan to market their political power?
            I think, instead of blaming PMAA for the arrests, the question should be why did he let it fester to this point. Why weren’t his multiple advisors know and alerted him. I hope it is not too late for the sake of the country.
            Oh, to suggest that people have other views, political space, freedom of speech etc ignores what actually took place. A well organized, led, and financed ethnic cleansing took place. We should be extra sensitive on that point. I hope I said it well enough to be understood.

            Mr. K.H

          • Samuel

            Selam Kim Hanna,

            “Derg wasn’t defeated…” that is what a pastor or a philosopher at a funeral say that the person in the coffin is not dead…. he lives in our hearts kind of statement.

            Well, Derg is a philosophy of killing and torture, so when Abiy said “Derg wasn’t defeated” what he meant was — the philosophy of killing and torture didn’t die, it is still alive. He was right.

            Regarding Shashemene and other places crime, the perpetrators should be arrested and get their sentence to the fullest extent of the law. What I hate is influencing justice thru media, and partial justice.

            Note that the killer of general Seare is still walking freely, Seare’s family are still crying for justice. His wife has seen her husband murdered live by his guard (Mesafint Tigabu), Derg messenger. Where is justice? It has been a year.

            Thanks,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Samuel,

            The Derg philosophy……….I think PMAA was emphasizing that you cannot govern by killing only. That was how I took it. In any case the next few months are crucial and hope for no more trauma.

            Mr. K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam, Samuel & Mr. Kim Hanna,

            Let me give you a hand Mr. KH for old time’s sake 🙂

            I feel obligated to clarify why PM Abiy said “TPLF/EPRDF, did not defeat DERG” during his visit with the Afar community.

            The discussion was based on the then obvious ganging up against TPLF by the remaining three of EPRDF. One of the attendants was advising PM Abiy not to forget TPLF’s sacrifice and contribution to the country including removing DERG etc…

            Just before and in that moment, Abiy was reassuring the audience that the renewed EPRDF (PP) will remain people oriented, because, he wanted to reason, without the support of the people no one wins. It was in this context when he said DERG was not defeated by TPLF/EPRDF [alone] but from lack of people’s support.

            He was trying to emphasize the point he began earlier which was “with out your support we will be defeated too.”

          • Paulos

            Fanti Fanti Fanti,

            Hope you are not going to say the reason he said, ሃያ ሰባት ኣመት የጨለማ ዘመን was literally for Ethiopia suffered chronic electricity outage. You can not put a lipstick on a pig as they say.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            I was tempting to reply to Fanti. But seeing your response, I said, I can’t do it better. Well said and well put, Doctore.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Mr. Amanuel & Dr. Paulos,

            I know, I know. I strongly believe that he has articulation problem like no other. What I have learned of his personality so far is that he speaks for the audience instead of to them and thus appearing flip-flapping.

            For example, He was talking “for” Ethiopians who has been opposing EPRDF almost since 1991 when he said 27 years of darkness.

            What he seems to want to say is “I hear you,” “I understand your pain, “worry no more,” but somehow, he ends up making it his own which makes his speeches confusing.

            PS:
            I am strictly talking about what he says and not what he does; which is another topic altogether.

          • Hashela

            Selam Fanti

            Thank you. What you said makes sense.
            It seems that some of the PMAAA’s communication mistakes are related to his attempt to please his audience.

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            He is serious in the sense that he is determined to destroy Meles’ legacy. I am surprised you don’t want to see that. The guy is on a mission. Serious mission.

          • Abi

            Paul
            You are in a mission of elevating Meles to sainthood status.
            Meles’ will always be remembered by his ethnic politics and divide and rule. የዘር ፓለቲካና ከፋፍሎ መግዛት የመለስ የታሪክ አሻራ ሆነው ይኖራሉ::
            “I’m surprised you don’t want to see that”.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            We have a Tigrinya word for a person who would like to tell you what you want to hear and who says to your enemy what the enemy would like to hear as well. And the word is ለኽባጥ. And that is precisely the reason Abiy is referred in Tigrai as መሽረፈት! It is downright humiliating when a leader is neither loved nor feared.

          • Abi

            Paulination
            You are pollinating hate. What the Tplf thugs say has no weight at all. They are a bunch of nobodies waiting to be disposed.

          • Consolation
          • Paulos

            Consolation,

            Why would I listen to this Araya guy when the majority, I repeat the majority of the Tigrean people celebrate Meles’ legacy with pride and endearment. Common sense fratello. Common sense!

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            On the Saint Fantiness scale , ሚዛን የሚደፋ ንግግር!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Fanti,

            Two things:

            (a) of course speakers always speak to their audience. What is new. If you mean he speaks to satisfy his audience as oppose telling them the truth then he still remains a lair. I hear you we will do better is not the same as we were living in darkness for 27 years. Speaking against history knowing it is a lie should not be the leader of a country because he is not trustworthy to his own people and his neighbors.

            (b) second you sound a psychologist who interviewed him to know what he speaks and what in his mind. But what you missed is people speak what are in their mind unless they are messengers.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti,

            Thanks for the context. I feel I am closer to the target than Samuel. I still feel so anxious about our politics that is complicated, the pandemic that is prowling, Egypt and its friends prowling and IA prowling. I have never seen so many prowling at the same time.

            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,
            Please accept my belated ‘welcome back”.
            You have taken away the banner of struggle from the hands of some people, when you gave a different interpretation to what pm had said. Can you please give us a link, if there is one, so that we could listen to what he said exactly.
            Thanks.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Samuel,
            I don’t mean to disrespect or to be mean here but as soon as I see a guy with a name of Msafint Tigabu, I would decline immediately.
            This is a deadly combination of name.
            ምሽ ዶ ጽጋበኛ ምስ መሳፍንት ስኒ: ጥሙይ ምስ መሳፍንት ከማን ኣይምስቆጸርኩዎን: ንዝኾነ ዓይነት ስራሕ. Sorry to say that though.

          • Samuel

            Selam MM,
            I agree, by the way few months back General Seare’s wife had an interview with a media, and she said she wasn’t comfortable of the guy the way he was acting, he was different from other guards. She said she asked her husband several times to change the guard but her husband trusted him.
            He thought he was a good Ethiopian but he was Derg remnant Ethiopian. He wasn’t experienced guard, he worked with him only four months, he was new for the task. The department who selected the guy should have been investigated but you know when the PM is Abiy you will be exempted.
            እዚኣቶምሲ እንትረፍ’ዶ ክገዝኡኻ ክትገዝኦም እውን መከራ እዩ።

            Thanks,

          • Teodros Alem

            sam
            I mean u guys r born to cry, u have been crying before yohannes, u people was crying under yohannes(read the true history) , u have been crying all the way to meles time, u even cry under meles(read reports news paper and other pro tplf news paper under meles time), u have been crying eprdf abandoned tigrai, tigrai “wed mekele”, amara this amara that and now u guys r still crying .

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Kim,

          Once upon a time, John Maxwell had said this:

          “The pessimist complain the winds. The optimist expect change. The leader adjust the sails.”

          The senior cadre of EPRDF who become a PM, adjusted his friendship with the tyrant of Eritrea to sail his ship (the state of Ethiopia) to the Neverland. The pessimists who are known of their predictions are complaining the direction of the ship. The optimists who are waiting mana from the sky, expect change even from a vision-less leader. That is the picture of the Ethiopian predicament, as we speak.

          Regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            I think, we all cannot help being a little optimistic and a little pessimistic at different times depending on what new available information we consume. There is also a built in bias in each of us.

            I felt the same way about Meles in his early years as our leader. Don’t forget he came in by force (no election) as a brute smart-aleck, (BILTA BLT) dictator with no manners. I cursed him.
            In a few years, with a little more information, I gave him the benefit of a doubt. The last 10 years of his life with more information and facts on the ground, I admired and became a huge supporter. Pessimism and advice from family and friends didn’t persuade me otherwise.
            So there is still time for you to change your mind, don’t burn the bridges.

            Having said all that, since we don’t know what the future holds, we humbly prey, admit our limitations, and ask for a better tomorrow for all of us.

            Mr. K.H

    • Consolation

      ዶቶረ

      ኣያለው ልደቱ፥ ሰላሳ ዓመታት ንወያነ ወሽለኽለኽ ዝበለ ከዳሚ ኢዩ:: መወዳእታ ክድምና ድማ ካርቸለ ኢያ፥፥ እቶም ንወያነ ዕስራ ዓመታት ዝግበሩ ኤርትራውያን ውን መወዳእትኦም ካብ ናይ ኣያለው ኣይፍለን::

      ካብ ፍጡራት ቲዝሓሰረ
      ዕስራ ዓመት ንወያነ ዝገበረ
      ዝነብር ካብ ሕሉፍ ከይተማህረ
      ከም ዕቡድ ከልቢ ናገዓረ
      ኣብ ናይ ታሪኽ ጕሓፍ ናንገርገረ
      ክሳብ ዘገላግሎ፥ ዓለም ዝፈጠረ፡፡

      • Paulos

        Sure thing brother. Sure thing.

        • Consolation

          dottore,

          Last year, there were reports that Lidetu Ayalew had built a 42 room resort hotel with swimming pool worth 40million birr. Where did he get the money? Of course, from his Weyane masters. I wish our Eritrean servants had accumulated that kind of wealth. The tragedy is that they were working for their monthly stipends. Pathetic!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ሰላማት

        ሕልናኡ ዝጠፈሸ
        ጫማ ረገጽቱ ዝለሓሰ
        ዋላ ‘ንተሃብተመ
        ዋላ ዲግሪ ተሰቐለ

        መንንነቱ ሓቢኡ
        ቦጅቢጁ ፈሪሑ
        ንህግደፍ ደጊፉ

        ካልኦት ይጸርፍ
        ይዝልፍ
        ካብዚ ከምዝን ወዲ ኸምዝን የድሕነና!

        • Paulos

          ኢንጂኔረ,

          ሎምስ ንብሎ’ኳ ጠፊኡና ናይዚኣቶም ነገር ዘረባ የብሉን!

        • Consolation

          ሰላም መሃንዲስ

          ጸላኢ ይብልካን፥ እንትርፎ ነፍስኻ
          ዕስራ ዓመት ክትክድም፥ ኔሩ ምርጫኻ
          ሕቡን ሃገራዊ፥ መኪቱ ከምዘይከማኻ
          ኣላሽ ኣቢልዎ፥ ንወያነ ጎይታኻ

          ሰማዒ ኣይብሉን፥ ከዳዕ ዝዛረቦ
          ከዳሚ ዝጽሕፎ፥ መን የንብቦ
          ከልቢ ይነብሕ፥ ጸሓይ ምስዓረቦ
          ገመል ይምርሽ፥ ሓንት ከይዓጀቦ

          • Paulos

            Consolation,

            ሓንሳብ ምስ ሊብያ
            ሓንሳብ ምስ ስዑድያ
            ሓንሳብ ምስ ቐጠር
            ፖለቲካ ኣመንዝር
            ናተይ’ሉ ሒዝዎ
            ሕስረት ዘይምነዎ
            ሕፍረት ዘይስልችዎ
            ወዳጀ ኸዳሚ!

          • Consolation

            dottore,

            He kicked your Weyane friends back to Mekele and now he is about to finish them off! You better get ready because all indications are that the funeral is scheduled for August!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት Consolation

            ንሕና-ንሱ
            ኣገልገልቲ ኢሱ
            ‘ንታይ ርክብ ኣለዎም ምስ ድኳ?

            ድኳ
            ዶ ልካ?

            ድኳ ደኣ
            ሰብ ኮፍ ይብለሉ
            ን ንሕና-ንሱ ድማ ኢሳያስ ሸነሉ
            ‘ሞ ንሕና-ንሱ ‘ንታይ ይብሉ?
            ‘ንታይ ክብሉ ደኣ
            የጣቕዕሉ!

          • Sultan

            Doc:
            Can u also tell us what the rough hills Eritrea had to climb up and got tortured along with the same PIA and his Eritrea had gone through coz of the unlimited help the TPLF was provided with from Yemen, the Sudan , Djbuoti,IGAD,the AU, the USA,Israel, The EU ,the CIA, the M16,the UN, Russia ,etc??

            Why wouldn’t PIA and his Eritrea seek help from those friendly nations u listed to survive as a nation and as a people as well as a Govt, which they did perfectly and finally succeeded ,not only to survive but to come out as The SOLE Winners !

          • Paulos

            Sultan,

            Here is the deal: Isaias felt would have it easy on May 12-98 and rolled his tanks to Ethiopia and not only that his sorry azz was humiliated but was sanctioned for over 20 years when he started messing the Horn through a proxy war when he financed ragtags.

            In the meantime the Weyanes transformed Ethiopia when the economy took of in agro-industry, transportation, education, health, aviation, tourism and many more when the poster child dropping like a fly was no more. With that at their sleeves, the Weyanes flexed their muscles in a diplomatic finesse with the countries you mentioned. Isaias on the other hand had nothing to show for to stand on equal footing with Qatar or SA and he had to play an errand boy. That is the reality.

          • Sultan

            Doc:
            Not only a PhD holder but a second grader Eritrean would tell you that Eritrea and Eritreans could have done MUCH BETTER than the TPLF and the Ethiopians with or without PIA had the HIWEHAT and its sponsors kept their hands off Eritrea and its Business.

            Even politically speaking , Eritreans could have removed IA if the TPLF and its handlers and sponsors were to stay away from Eritrean business, GUARANTEED!

            There is one FACT you , a PhD holder, ignoring albeit deliberately ,i.e.,that despite all the unheard of tsunamis and challenges Eritrea and Eritreans including same PIA we are targeting ( for a purpose)have gone through -with a destructive evil agenda to the extent of WIPING OUT Eritrea as a nation and nullifying the Eri ID,per your own testimony here telling us that the TPLF agenda on Eritrea and Eritreans and on their ID was( have been)exactly that!

            That agenda have been expressed overtly and covertly and in action by the same TPLF and its elite and supporters!
            There is a reason why I give at least a partial credit to/for PIA – for he himself surviving that tsunami and keeping Eritrea INTACT as a nation , which is INTACT to my best knowledge … thus far!

            It is our obligation as of NOW to take over and make sure we maintain a new , united, strong and prosperous and CONSTITUTIONALLY GOVERNED Eritrea and Eritreans BUT,by us, and only us,Eritreans and only Eritreans, without ifs and buts!

            But to talk and bluff about asking for help from the VERY bloody and destructive CERTIFIED and PROVEN historical ENEMIES of Eritrea and Eritreans is but Kemti shinti ghimel nidhrit and tehatsibka ni’chikka.

            We have NEVER used the Eritrean Potential as of yet, to my best knowledge!
            And it is NOW when to apply that miraculous potential through new old and effective strategies !

            It is worth debating on how to effectively materialize and execute these strategies rather than crying for an UNHOLY ALLIANCE or help from our enemies, which proved to have failed miserably in the last 23 yrs !

          • Paulos

            Sultan,

            That is one hell of a bluster devoid of a substance. Please let’s leave it at that.

          • Sultan

            Paulosay:
            I beg your pardon?
            Well ,Doc, with all due respect to you, if these facts are devoid of any substance , would you be so kind to respect it as my opinion and try to refute it through your own opinion and/ or facts?

          • Paulos

            ስልጣን,

            ሓደ ሓደ ጊዜ ንምንታይ እዩ እዚ ድያብሎስ ንህዝቢ ኤርትራ ክቐጽዕን ከሳቕይን ተላኢኹ መከራና’ኻኣ ምውዳእ ኣብዩ ኢለ ይሓስብን ይሓትትን፣ ምናልባሽ ልብና ስለዝተረረን ብትዕቢት ስለ ዝሓበጠን ነቶም ኣብ ጊዜ ስደትናን መከራናን መጽለሊ ዝሃቡና ምስ ጠመና ዝብላዕ ዝሃቡና ክንዲ ናይቲ ጽቡቕ ዝገበሩልና ነነግረሎም ተመሊስና ብብደዐ ንኸሶም ብሓሶት ንጥቅኖም ክኸውን ይኽእል፣ እቲ መጀመርታ ጥበብ ይብል መጽሓፍ ቅዱስ ፍርሃት እግዚኣብሄር እዩ።

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ኣንታ ዶተረ
            ሕጂ ምሁር ናይ ጎንደር ዩኒቨርሲቲ [no offense to most of you] ከም ዘይኮንካ ኣፍሊጥካ
            ዶክተር ተባሂልካስ ሓቂ ት ዛረብ?
            ኣብ ባይታ ዘየለ ፈጠራታት ዝዓብለሎ: ግመ ዝሸፈኖ: ሕክያታት ክትንግረና ‘ዩ ዘምሕረለካ
            ሓቂ: ኣብ ባይታ ዘሎ ደኣ ኣንጻር ‘ታ ንፈትዋ ውድብና ህግደፍ ‘ኳ ‘ዩ።
            ብጫ ታሴራ ህግደፍ [new, super hgdf ID] ከይምንዝዐካ ተጠንቀቕ
            ብሰላም ዕረፍ!
            ተማሒርካ [if I am allowed to borrow SaleH’s trade mark]

          • Desbele

            Selam Paul,
            ወተሃደራት ህግደፍ ናብ ኢትዮጵያ ዝሰግሩ ኤርትራውያን ንክቀትሉ ጠያይቲ ክትኩሱ ከለው፣ ወተሃደራት ኢትዮጵያ መገዲ መሪሖም የስግርዎም ነይሮም።
            ፍርሃት ውልቀ መላኪ ካብዘምበርኸኮም ብዙሕ ኣይትጸበ
            https://bit.ly/2Dbp4RK

          • Paulos

            Selam Desbele,

            Many thanks for sharing the link. The story is common across the board but sadly others sign ናይ ጣዕሳ ወረቐት and go on stabbing in the back those who reached out to them in their darkest hour. I just finished listening to Sanai Gebremedhin’s interview with TMH and he says exactly that. It is worth watching. As you know he worked with Eri-TV Amharic program.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት Consolation
            ከዳሚ ዶ ልካ ሓቀይ?

            ምኽዳም ደኣ መን ኣሎ
            ከምት ድሁል ጎይታኻ ዓዲ ሃሎ

            ኣብዝኾነ ንእዲ ዝድቅስ
            ንዓኻ ገጹ ጨማዲዱ ይርኤካ
            ምስ ኮለኔል ኣብዪ ግን ክምስ ክምስ

            ኣብ ቀጠር ጸኒሑ
            ናብ ዒማራት ድቕድቕ
            ኣንጊሁ

            ምስ ግብጺ ስዑዲያ
            ኮታ ምስ ዝኾነ ገዛኢ
            ዝኸፍሎ መሃያ

            ንሱ ‘ዩ ከዳሚ ዝበሃል
            ማራ ኳ ደንዚዝካ
            ኣይትዝሓል

            ሃገር ከይትሽየጥ ንዝብል
            ወያነ ትብልዎ
            ሃገር ናሸጣ ናብ ኮለኔል

            ከማኻ ሶፍያ መሰልቲ
            ኣውደኽደኽቲ
            ንደቂ ሃገር ትብልዎም ከደምቲ
            ወየንቲ
            ተገላብጦሽ! ኴኑ ግዜ

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dr Paulos,

      Yes Lidetu is sent to jail, one of the prominent Ethiopian politician. I heard it in one of the Ethiopian YouTubes. In the news also, that about 20,000 Oromos are displaced from their villages now without any shelter. Abiy will think the Oromo people will stop from protesting, albeit they will continue. Abiy thought that Issayas strategy will work in Ethiopia, as it did worked in Eritrea. Unlike the Eritreans who subdue to the despot, the Ethiopians who are known for their resistance to their rulers are not going to give up to fight for their rights. The more he continued jailing and killing, the more the resistance will grow. Very sad, the stable and progressing Ethiopia that we saw few years ago, not only halted, but it is sliding down hill with no end to it.

      • Paulos

        Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

        Isaias Afwerki is the most feared person in Addis and as it happened, a month or so ago, Lidetu in an interview said that, Isaias is Ethiopia’s number one enemy. Isaias feels disrespected and orders to have him locked up. That is Lidetu’s crime and a stern lesson to any Ethiopian either who crosses or disrespects him.

      • Sultan

        Selam Prof Aman Hidrat:
        I understand your apparent biased analysis as a Politician but sometime it is ONLY FAIR to be fair and reasonable as well as responsible when making such biased analysis.
        The political acrobat and intellectual bankruptcy by few intellectuals and professionals here is bothersome .
        Dr AAA has attempted to unify the nation with good intention and spirit but his “fault” seems to be in his hectic and un-institutionalized approach.
        My concern with your wild and biased criticism is the way you and Dr Paulos and the other registered TPLF Cadres here have conveniently ignored the polarizing, destabilizing and destructive approaches by his opponents , which is so GROSS and OBVIOUS to witness!
        You are blaming the poor Dr AAA, who initially successfully resolved one of the most dangerous inter-ethnic conflicts in Africa rather than blaming the very same one, instigating civil wars and wanton destructions across the same poor and divided nation the same Dr AAA has attempted to bring together and you EXACTLY as to who these instigators and destabilizers are/might be.

      • Hashela

        Selam Amanuel

        You wrote : „Unlike the Eritreans who subdue to the despot, …“.

        I don‘t think it is fair to say so about our people. Our people are resistant in a resilient and sovereign way. Because they do not embrace and invite foreign forces of my or your liking, it does not mean they are subdue and like to be subdue.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hashela,

          Do we have any resistances from inside that I am not familiar with? Do our people inside are making demonstrations to air their grievances? The Ethiopian people are making demonstrations to make known their grievances to the regime in power and are “giving their lives” for the change they are looking for. Is there anything comparable to them from our people inside? That what I am talking the fact. My comment does talk about inviting foreign forces. Hashela, why don’t try to ask if you don’t understand my message, rather making your assumptions.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            The brutally crushed demo (ኣኽርያ), the failed army revolt (2013), and ይአክል movement inside Eritrea are indicative for a resistance and refusal to subdue. As soon as I and you know about a resistance movement in Eritrea, the existence of that resistance is severely endangered. Circumstances in Eritrea and Ethiopia are vastly different. ድገብር ነዲኡ ነይነግር እብሃል።

          • Paulos

            Selam Hashela,

            About a month or so ago, I was listening to Professor Araya Debessay in an interview when he recounted his last encounter with Beraki, DiruE, and Birhane in Asmara as he put it in a secure place. He said, he asked them about their safety when they challenged Isaias. Beraki and DiruE said to him, they have faith in the Eritrean people for they will stand up to Isaias and stand with them. What happened next was a dead silence when they are almost forgotten. The G-15 do not blame Isaias for he had done what he was expected to do to them, they blame the Eritrean people instead for turning their back on them. I wonder what would any of the G-15 say, if they read your comment when you talk about resistance. I wonder.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            The Eritrean people have not turned their back against them. They are not cheering their disappearance, and their sacrifice is not in vain. Yes they have paid the ultimate price with their lives, but they did the most (including the journalist) to expose Isayas for what he really is, if not Isayas would have been loved and adored like Melles even though they both kill and disappear at the same rate.

            As a result the Eritrean people have gone through long and hard journey of cleansing itself, and in the end, Eritrea will have one of the free and best society to build on.

            We will never trust any government and we will never be fooled by anyone again. We will not die and sacrifice our lives for our ethnic, religion, region and what ever but for justice and freedom.

            I know it’s long and painful journey but it’s not time wasted. As Eritrean in the long and sometimes hopeless debate, we have been sharpening our trade for better tomorrow. We learn to identify and call out hypocrisy, to standup for what we believe (even sometimes in hiding) but we experienced what truly (at least in awate) to mean to have freedom of expression.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            In the meantime the heroes of the liberation era without whom independence would have been impossible are either already dead or some are living in a complete darkness in a dungeon as it is the case with D’ruE when he lost his eye sight due to diabetes. That is cruelty of the highest magnitude and I don’t see any sense of urgency but people are leaving the nation to find a better life instead. And those in diaspora are bickering over trivial matters inflicted with indecisiveness. That is the sad reality.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I think it would be good idea if we could stop counting our misery and try to figure out and find a solution to our problems.

            Actionable items as they call in.

            What actionable items me, you and everyone else can make that weakens regime?

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Berhino,

            I agree. Great question. Find common denominator. Focus and work on what works by avoiding ideologically driven ideas for the immediate task is to free Eritrea of tyranny. In short: Three Fs. Focus, focus and focus.

          • Sultan

            Selam Berhe and Hashela:
            I think you did a good job in defending the Eritrean people’s struggle inside Eritra.
            What some of us are saying here about the apparent weakness and indifference of the Eritrean people is just “ easy said than done”!
            As Prof Hashela alluded it by answering Prof Aman’s question thru a question by challenging the FAILURE of the Diaspora Eritreans despite we have everything we need to challenge and even to bring it to its knees the regime adds to your well put answer.
            Having said that though, Prof Aman has a pointing for criticizing the Eritreans inside home and the EDF for not doing more that what they have done and “achieved” thus far.
            The Eritreans and the EDF failed the Mahabar victims and the G-15 as well as Col Ali and his team during the best opportunity we had to remove the Despot.
            From that aspect ,I would rather conclude by saying that it has been our collective failure by those inside and outside home but would rather “ blame” more our Diaspora for not better and for being the victims of our own making by inviting intruders into our business and for NOT uniting as ONE PEOPLE and as a ONE NATION, which contributed, directly and indirectly, to the failure of the struggle of Justice Seekers at home
            Yeah, “ Easy said than done” enjoying life in our comfort zone and yet blaming those, who have sacrificed their lives living under house arrest and in the worst system one can live in!

          • Desbele

            Selam Paulos,

            As much i sympathize with G-15 , i disagree with their assessment that the people will stand for them. Isaias killed dissent starting from 1972 (Menkae), 1976 (Yemin), and even Bitweded in 1991. Why would he be expected to act different in 2001? They know him , but….
            By the way ‘people’ infact tried to resolve ‘their, G-15, Isaias’ differences, like the elderly initiative for example. But , it is Isaias , cruel, ruthless, and devoid of any moral sensibilities. There are a number of ‘people’ jailed with the G-15 just for standing with them.
            I was in National military service at the time and the Birgade leader gathered us for a briefing about the situation after their arrest. He particularly asked myself and other few graduates what our thoughts are. እቶም ምሁራት ከ እንታይ ትብሉ? None of us speak. We all know by that time what their ways are if you express a view different from theirs.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ደስበለ
            ኣብ ትሕቲ መሬት መስጠሙኻ ኔሮም።
            I guess these guys were not aware of Einsteins’s insanity statement…

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            First, the military coup attempt does not have to do with public demonstration, for coup no one knows the objectives of the coup makers until they came to power. There is chance to convert into a kind of Egyptian military government. Public demonstrations and a coup have different objectives. We are talking about public awareness and their engagements.

            Second, the only public demonstration attempted was the Akria phenomenon in the last 30 years of self governing. It was a small one done by one section of our society in the silence of the other. And as a result, they were given to them all kinds of names (no need to mention them). What happened after that, everybody remains silence in their homes whispering their grievances to themselves. Dying In quietism is not a solution.

            Third, the projected Yeakil movements inside Eritrea is in name with no actionable mission, could only be see as a tool of propaganda. If they can not bring the public to the streets it is not a movement in my book. They are not ready to give their lives for the intended cause. No sacrifice no success. That is for fact.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            From your post: “No sacrifice no success”

            Is it fair to conclude that we in the Diaspora want a regime change in our term and according our time line but expect other people to pay the ultimate sacrifice?

          • Abi

            Hashela
            In case you haven’t paid attention, some have been waiting for the weyane tanks for a ride to ጎዳና ሓርነት. PMAA said “sorry, no tank ride available, that service has been suspended indefinitely. You can fly Ethiopian Airlines instead… Oops 🙊
            As you can see, the ታንክ ናፋቂዎች are hammering PMAA every opportunity they get.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            (a) To your first question my answer is astoundingly “Yes”.

            (b) to your second question, I can only give you my own reason of myself. I wish I can reborn again with new energy to engage in a real struggle with “full commitment” as I did when I was in my twenties and thirties in the urban cities as well as in the field. Keep in mind commitment is a key in a struggle. I will leave for you to tell us the reason of Hashela.

            (c) to your third question, The regime is pulling the young generation from their homes throwing them to endless services, for which, Adhanom G/Mariam termed it as “ወፍሪ ዋርሳይ ወፍሪ ባርነት“. He accurately characterized it. The regime has killed the moral of our young, and when they try to escape either they are shot or caught and thrown in to foxholes. And those who made it (cross the border) you know their fates. In short, they don’t have commitment like my generation who joined the struggle with full enthusiasm to the cause of our people.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Thank you for answering my rhetorical questions. I hope that my questions and your answers made clear the hypocrisy of Diaspora Eritreans. For the purpose of easiness and clarity, I am copy-pasting here my first question and your answer to it:

            First question: ” Is it fair to conclude that we in the Diaspora want a regime change in our own term (conditionality) and according our time line but expect other people to pay the ultimate sacrifice?”

            Answer: “To your first question my answer is astoundingly ‘Yes’.”

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I’m just shaking my head. I knew what was coming. Brilliant!
            You must be a professional chase player.
            “ማኖ ማስነካት“ ይባላል when you guide someone to his demise.
            በሬ ሆይ በሬ ሆይ
            ሳሩን አየህና ገደሉን ሳታይ

          • Hashela

            Abi

            shaking or nodding?

          • Abi

            Hashela
            It is like an “own goal “ on the World Cup final except this one is a hat trick .
            Still shaking my head!
            You are playing against an amateur.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ራስ ኣቢ
            ብቤንዚን ዝተሰርሐ ክርቢት ኴንካ ት ስመዓኒ።
            ኩሉ ግዜ ኣብ ተጠንቀቕ ገዛ ዓዋተ ቃል ቃል ከተብላ።
            This may help
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb0nAeufC3o

          • Abi

            MM
            Here you go again!
            As programmed and expected!! You came with your Tigrinya.
            Oh well, what can I say except pray for the manufacturer’s recall 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Yes General Abo,

            You should learn,, if want to communicate..I told you long back and if you have listened to me those days..You could have leaned..I know your language and I am sure MM will give the translation of what is written above..

            Sorry, I forger we had divorced,,Take it easy my dear..

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            በአንተ የሚጨክን አንጀት ከየት ላምጣ?
            እንኳን እኔና አንተ አገሮቻችንም መፋታት አልቻሉም አይችሉምም::
            በብዙ ድር ተተብትበናል::
            በል አሁን ቀልጠፍ ብለህ ትርጉሟን አቀብለኝ::
            የፍቅር ግጥም እልክልሃለሁ

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            On the contrary, this time is not a malfunction.
            Since brother Brhan suggested you are qualified to get Eritrean Citizenship, the test will be in Tigrigna.
            Besides, if you check word by word, they are close to Amharic. I purposely used those words, not to kill few of your cells.

          • Abi

            MM
            I’m already an honorary Eritrean. No test needed for qualification.
            You are always worried about cells. Not all of us need to be recharged:)
            Is your recharging time very long?

            I know some of the words but can’t understand the whole thing.
            ቤንዚን,
            ሁል ጊዜ
            ተጠንቀቅ
            አዋተ ቤት
            ቃል
            These are the words I got.
            Now help me translate.
            የቀንየለይ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Hashela,

            I think I have answered this question. We didn’t call them coward nor do the diaspora Eritreans are. We have only “ነብሰ-ፍትወት” and we act as opportunists. ንመንየ ዝቃለሶ: ዝቀደሙ እንታይ ረኺቦም: ክሳዕ ዘላ አብ መንፈስ መብዛሕትኡ ኤርትራዊ መንእሰይ: ተወፋይነት ትበሃል የላን:: እዚ መንፈስ ስለዘለና ግን: ፈራሓት አይበሃሉን ወይውን አይንበሃልን::

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ኤማ
            ነብሰ-ፍትወት is a polite form of በለጽ.
            If we don’t need any help from anyone and we also have no youth inside Eritrea to topple the dictator, the alternate is simply watching our country to be annexed, again.
            Are we simply becoming pathetic people?
            We can’t agree on anything, even how to save Eritrea.
            I would go beyond ነብሰ-ፍትወት. Maybe ስነ-ኣእምራዊ ልምሰት?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mehandsay,

            Actually, I am worried as to wether we can come with a “negotiated solution” after the demise of the despot. If we can not come with negotiated solution, then I will agree with your description “ ስነ-ኣእምራዊ ልምሰት.”

          • Abi

            MM
            Relax!
            There will be no annexation this time. Ok, may be surgical annexation:)
            ቆርጦ ማጣበቅ ! Kind of “ Cut and paste” .

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Still you are on the Assab port?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman and Dr. Hashela,

            This point had been discussed in the past extensively. I recall Johannes Zerai (where are you Johannes) had graced us with well-considered front page articles. I think Aman had contributed to generously by way of robust debates and as well as by way of related article (s).

            The central point was how to streamline the work of the diaspora Eritreans to become credible and useful partner in the struggle of our people to break the chains of dictatorship with focus on the home front. Both fronts should (in practical ways) complement one another.

            I wanted to stress that neither of the two fronts would be able to achieve the goal in isolation from the other. Each one of them have crucial role. I should jot in passing that our cause should be exposed to some idle chatters in this forum (like Shakespeare’s Iago) who stay in ambush to steal attention by way of trying to fish in dirty water.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I know the Ethiopian people were making demonstrations during HSI.
            They were NOT making demonstrations during the DERG times.

            Does that mean, the same people who were resisting and all the sudden become subdued?

            By this observation, it’s hard to reach any conclusion.

            Amanuel, it all depends on the situations and the kind of dictator and his security apparatus that’s running the country.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            If the circumstances (nature of the regime) made them not to make demonstrations, thy are still subduing. It is all fears from dying. And without having the courage to do it to the extent of giving your life, they will not see “freedom and liberty.” The Ethiopians are dying in their fight against against their oppressive regime.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            The people were cannon fodder, used, abused, and dumped by the guerrilla groups. Why do you want them to sacrifice this time round as well? It is the same story all over again.

            Once bitten, twice shy!

            It is better to Run.

            Here is Pink Floyd – “Run Like Hell”:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iFmxpZ6QcQ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Simon,

            What is your alternative solutions to their predicament? What do you want them to do. They are starving and dying under the grip of the regime. Running out of the country is not a solution.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            If they Run, they have a good chance of being Alive.

            The strategy should to wait for the Man to die, and then wait until the Warlords (Generals) finish each other. Job done, at very little cost.

          • Paulos

            Simon,

            David Samson says give Eritrea back to Italy and you say let nature takes care of things and here you have chronically indecisive people who keep shooting into the air while chasing the wind where the wind will always be there but they will pass one day. What is becoming of you people? What is becoming of you people?

          • David Samson

            Selam Paulos,

            I see you are fighting non-existence enemies 24/7. I am beginning
            to worry about your well-being. It is not healthy to spend considerable time for little or no return.

            You might think chasing every single thread gives you the edge to advance your causes, but you are forgetting the medium is not right. How many Ethio-Eri follows discussions on forums? Very few. Why? Because we are an oral societies and do not have developed the culture of reading and writing.

            The battle of idea and ideals has moved to the cyber world of Audio and Vision. I suggest if you have a cause to advance, join the YouTubers. This is an equal opportunity medium and does not require any per-requist. All you need is courage and small investment: camera and PC.

            With regards to my views, I had given up the continent when
            I decided to emigrate. My optimism part of my brain always has a little green space for hope, but as soon as the green shoots start to blossom, some wicked events come to spoil it. This is where I am stuck. Lucky if we got the Italians back.

          • Lebam

            Selam David,

            Both my parents are born in Asmara and were there during the Italian colonisation of Eritrea. My father spoke Italian fluently and talked about his elegant suits all the time. I remember the word scapoli and vafankolo being used often. However, it was not all fine and dandy, not at all.

            The bad outweigh the good and just the thought of being a colony makes me rather eat himbasha for the rest of my life. I normally respect others views, but wishing to get yourself, not to mention a country, a master is too much for me to bear.

          • David Samson

            Selam Lebam,

            It is all dandy from the comfort of your home in Sweden.
            If you were to re-locate to Eritrea, perhaps I could given you some thoughts. I have not taken the view I hold simply because I am an emotional person or do not understand the negative impacts of colonialism, but having seen the country going down to toilet since the Italians left and do not see any green shoots. One of my teachers who lived from the Italian period to the Dergue said: “We the Habshas are real destroyers”. I did not read too much at the time, but looking back, he had spoken from his heart. I know many others abhors my views, but want to keep living in a fantasy world, hoping one day to return to Eritrea and all I say to you and others is good luck.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Lebam,

            I think I understand where David is coming from.

            As people we have been cursed because of unwanted attention of our locations. For example in the Eritrean kebesa if someone is bossy you use to say “ግዝአት ቱርኪ”. I don’t know much about the Egyptians but I can’t imagine they were good either. Then we have the Ethiopians [Yohannes / Alula] and different warlords who until this day left us scars that is not healed. Then come Italians, for the most part who provided security from Ethiopian and created jobs and stability. We lost all of that when the Ethiopians returned. We finally got our country and to turned upside down by our own warlord. This is in span of at least 250 years…the only good times where during then Italian times relatively speaking.

            Like you I can’t bear the thought of giving up our lives and our country to others and come rule us. But when you look at the Djibouti for example, that they get protection from France (what ever it costs Djibouti) they have managed to secure peace and nobody bothers them.

            Even if we manage to get rid of Isayas, I feel we will not be able to sleep well and left alone. The same actors will always provoke us and bring us into some sort of conflict one way or another.

            One day I mentioned this, and Abi got off his sleep and he got really series killing the idea. I knew I was upto something:)

            I would say, we should model and plan our future democratic institutions after the British system. And thrive to get admitted to the common wealth (because we were under British administration for 10 years and it’s the British who got us in the mess with Ethiopia to appease their Americans) I think we make a good case. We adapt the British system of education, common law etc and build slowly, by allowing our people access to what ever that we can.

            Rwanda I think which was a colony of the Belgium is a member and I think there must be some rules that allows other countries to join and I don’t think it will be hard for Eritrea.

            Dear David Solomon,

            Italy will not come back to take of Eritrea. It doesn’t the capacity or the means to do it. Why Italy needs to go and develop Eritrea when it can’t even take of it’s own country and place.

            I would really encourage you to look into this Commonwealth thing instead of wishing Italy to come back. Since you are closely tied with British, I would really ask you give it a good thought. There is nothing but positive outcome for Eritrea, and looking at the principle and core believe, I can’t see anything wrong with it.

            This economic integration with Ethiopia, Tigray, Somalia hatew qeTew needs to be DEAD and BURIED. They will just drag us back to their fire. We want them to fix their country and aspire to be admitted to the common wealth and then we will meet there.

            This is no brainier for me:

            an applicant country must demonstrate commitment to: democracy and democratic processes, including free and fair elections and representative legislatures; the rule of law and independence of the judiciary; good governance, including a well-trained public service and transparent public accounts; and protection of human rights, freedom of expression, and equality of opportunity

            Berhe

            Joining the Commonwealth
            https://thecommonwealth.org/about-us/joining-the-commonwealth#:~:text=Process%20for%20joining%20the%20Commonwealth&text=This%20entails%20the%20following%3A,to%20make%20a%20formal%20application


            Eligibility criteria for membership
            At the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Uganda in November 2007, Heads of Government reviewed the recommendations of the Committee on Commonwealth Membership and agreed on the following core criteria for Membership:

            an applicant country should, as a general rule, have had a historic constitutional association with an existing Commonwealth member, save in exceptional circumstances
            in exceptional circumstances, applications should be considered on a case-by-case basis

            an applicant country should accept and comply with Commonwealth fundamental values, principles, and priorities as set out in the 1971 Declaration of Commonwealth Principles and contained in other subsequent Declarations

            an applicant country must demonstrate commitment to: democracy and democratic processes, including free and fair elections and representative legislatures; the rule of law and independence of the judiciary; good governance, including a well-trained public service and transparent public accounts; and protection of human rights, freedom of expression, and equality of opportunity an applicant country should accept Commonwealth norms and conventions, such as the use of the English language as the medium of inter-Commonwealth relations, and acknowledge Queen Elizabeth II as the Head of the Commonwealth

            new members should be encouraged to join the Commonwealth Foundation, and to promote vigorous civil society and business organisations within their countries, and to foster participatory democracy through regular civil society consultations.

            Process for joining the Commonwealth
            For eligible countries, there is a membership process which has to be followed once the formal expression of interest to join is triggered. This entails the following:

            An informal assessment undertaken by the Secretary-General following an expression of interest by an aspirant country
            Consultation by the Secretary-General with member states
            An invitation to the interested country to make a formal application

            A formal application presenting evidence of the functioning of democratic processes and popular support in that country for joining the Commonwealth.

            The procedure also sets out that the application would thereafter be considered by Heads of Government at the next CHOGM and, if they reach consensus on accepting it, that country would then join the Commonwealth and be invited to attend subsequent meetings.

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            You and Amde are the only ones who channelled me on the notion of why the Italians want to return. You have raised some good points and this is something we could debate.

            Italians had decided to colonise Eritrea right after the country was established as a state( Circa 1867-71). It is highly unlikely the Italy of 19th was stronger than the Italy of the 21st century. Total colonisation is not a non-starter, but some kind of arrangement,
            such as protection, some kind of lease or in-between arrangement. Mind you, Italy has a moral obligation to support its colony, but not only that, it is in the interest of Italy to have a strong tie with its former colony. I think Italians were keen and ready to do their bits.

            Right after the gorillas had settled in urban, the Italian’s government had pledged to finance the entire Asmara’s sewage and pipe systems. Mind you, the infrastructure has not been touched since its foundation. This would have been a massive project and could have transferred the country by miles away. IA, known now his intentions had demanded the funds to be paid to his coffers and if not the Italians can go to hell. I remember vividly, I was acting like a mad dog on my own, but dismissed by many as a white man worshiper. EPLF Self-reliance crap was the hottest ticket in the new gorilla world. Only a few would have challenged the notion that these gorillas from forest turned to urban gorillas had the world in their feet. Everything they touched will turn into gold. Nothing could go wrong and will see the miracle of Africa in the world.

            What we had failed to see is the naked fact: we were primitive
            society until the arrival of Europeans. Over 60-years stability had given us the breathing space to develop. Why is it shameful to admit we had no idea about science and technology? Europeans too were primitive society at some point until the discovery of science and technology and yet they do not hide this fact.

            I suspect your knowledge of history is pretty rusty. Long
            before the Europeans came to African’s shores to trade in slaves, the Arabs had already established 200- years ahead. I know many books have been written on the Trans-Atlantic trade, but little is
            known about the Arabs crimes.

            Here is the link as a starter.

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53147864

          • Berhe Y

            Dear David,

            Thank you for getting back to me. You are right my history is very, very rusty. መዓስ ምስ ተመሃርናዮ.

            I trust that you wanted what’s best for our people and I really do value your knowledge. I am not trying to deny that Italians or anyone else for that matter is better than us at governing.

            What I am asking you to do is, instead of dream of fantasy of Italians be back (unless I am wrong) why don’t we plan what’s practical and even better than the Italians times that we can do in our own. I like to dream but I also want to live in reality. I am not ready to just disappear from the face of the earth without trying. There is no reason why we can’t achieve what others are able to.

            – When Haregot Abay was a Mayer and Tedla Bairu was the leader, Eritreans have done a lot more.
            – Mai Bela Sewage was closed under Haregot time (yes, the Italians created the tunnel).

            Many other things to list….actually I think what Eritrea did during the federation was even a real reason why we should be part of the CommonWealth.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,
            Anta Asmarinos Loms KAA KAAn Helmi KetKelani kemzom deki HGDF.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi David Samson,
            I believe most of us stay silent on this is because it is absurd.
            To me, what you are asking is to be willingly a slave to the Italians.
            ተሓጺብካ ጭቃ ዝበሉ ከምዚ ምስ ሰምዑ ዩ።

          • David Samson

            Selam MM,
            It is probably escaped you these facts: You left a country trying to be built based on slaves. You also live in a country that have been built by slaves. Slaves will not leave alone whenever you go.

          • sara

            selam ato berhe,
            what i read here is mostly out frustration and hopelessness.
            could it be out of inexperience as a country and people…or
            we had high expectation after independence. as far as i understand
            we are like most countries of the world.. with all the woes of life
            what is different of us to be hopeless we want colonization back .
            its mind boggling, and needs in-depth study or research.. i have never heard a Sudanese in his wild even dream of inviting back the British… who have made sudan with a lot of infrastructure and the best university in africa….
            could this be a she-rewed way of agitating to bring back our recent occupiers….. by bringing the name italy first ,,, and we end up
            asked to choose ….
            in asmara, in such instances we say– SHETARAQUM DEWRU.

          • David Samson

            Selam Sara,
            The Sudanese keep tempting to invite the British, but are pulled back by the money from the Arabs. They have been a playing-ground between their slave masters and former colonies.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam sara,
            Some of the points you have mentioned are indeed push people to resort to fanciful anachronistic ideas neither practicality nor existing moods can support. I mean those ideas are discussed and debate inside the minds just for the sake of it. Neither Italy nor any other former colonial power would respond to any call from any former colonized people.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi sara,

            You misunderstood what I am trying to say.

            1) admitting to the common wealth dies not mean being colonized by the British. But you strive towards their ideals of governance as I highlighted.

            Many independent countries who are members of the common wealth I think they fair well in democratic principles compared to others, specially in Africa. For example, Ghana, Botswana, South Africa, Tanzania, Kenya, Rwanda are just a few. And the most successful democracies are India, Canada, NewZealand just a few.

            Sudan would be better off if it was member of the common wealth rather than where it is today.

            The reason I think it’s good:
            1) we strive to reach the democracy of those countries
            2) we will have access to many market, education, rule of law etc.
            3) we held our future government accountable.

            Most of all, we shield off those from the south that don’t want leave us alone, diplomatically without costing us too many lives and ruin our economy and our future.

            Imagine having 50 countries advocating and supporting your case.

            What we achieved military we will be able to cement off diplomatically.

            Berhe

          • sara

            selam ato berhe,
            actually, you also misunderstood me…. my comment was towards those who are trying to promote to bring back colonization etc.
            joining economic communities like what you mentioned is different and a matter of choice if there is interest to do so…. but bringing
            colonization is evil thought to say the least.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sara,

            Ok I think we are on the same line. You addressed me, and I thought you misunderstood me. Colonization is not only evil but actually not possible in today’s world.

            I also think joining the Arab league is also a good idea as well as any other trade economic / trade organizations in Africa.

            In other words we need to have political and diplomatic ties with more than at least 60 percent of the world.

            Then the agazian, abay Tigray, Abay Ethiopian, zinTir minTir to leave us alone, and can join David Solomon in his dream if the return will of Italy and they can dream about their dream as well.

            But most importantly it’s a self assessment on how series we are on our commitment to liberty and freedom and human rights.

            Developmental revolution, communism or what have you, simply failed system that they want to experiment with will go to the garbage bins, no ethnic, religious tensions but simply live and key live.

            We need to really cement Eritreanism and it’s ideals… we have nothing that stops up and hold us back.

            Berhe
            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            Who is this person— David Solomon.? Paulos has tormented
            by IA and you by the Agazian. My remedies for people who experience this kind of symptom is to put the picture of their tormentor on their bedsides. You get good sleep.

          • Consolation

            Hello Sara,

            The extreme frustration is the result of the slow and inexorable demise of the TPLF kleptocrats. The TPLF digital weyane cadres naturally feel this deeply. There can be nothing worse than being in pain and being aware that you are dying. As for the Eritreans who had pinned all their hopes on the TPLF thugs, the death of their erstwhile masters is felt even deeper. Not only is their dream of seeing Eritrea defeated is gone for good, but the fact that Eritrea has triumphed over the Tigrayans is as painful as it gets. These people are nihilists. The Eritrea that Shaebia liberated is for them a thorn in their throat. Remember that most of them sided with the Weyane in the 1998-2000 border war and had signed on the declared aim of the Weyane thugs to turn May 24 from the greatest day in our history to a day of shame. So when you read about their silly hallucinations to turn the tide of history and turn Eritrea into an Itallian colony, remember that they had already done their best to turn Eritrea into a Tigrayan vassal.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Paulos,

            Before inviting back Italy, the field must be cleared; the simple plan I outlined above must be implemented.

            A key question is: will Italy accept the invitation? Because, there is no free lunch.

            It all depends on the proven and potential economic resources of Eritrea. There is no point in offering dusty and sun-blasted rocky villages in the bargain. As Woldeab Yishak said at one time, there is no money in the country, but there are too many accounting graduates.

            The same applies to Ethiopia. OK, hopefully, there will be GERD generated electricity, coffee, and pretty ladies of the night. What else is there on offer?

          • Paulos

            Simon,

            If Eritrea was barren, rocky and dusty as you put it, why did Italians settled in Eritrea in the first place?

          • Teodros Alem

            paulos
            When italia came to the region thier aim was to invade the whole of sudan and they got defeated and end up in eritrea. and at the time all of africa was taken by others powerful than italia.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Paulos,

            They came in the hope finding El Dorado. Conquer first, discover later, as most colonialists do.

            If there are some hidden resources you are aware of, in Eritrea or Ethiopia, please reveal them.

          • Abi

            Simon
            Eritrea was an accidental colony. Eritrea was the stepping stone to colonize Ethiopia. Eritrea was a means not an end by herself.
            Since Ethiopia is out of the colonization picture, I seriously doubt if Italy accepts the official invitation to colonize Eritrea.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            OK. But has Ethiopia got anything much to offer Italy?

          • Abi

            Simon
            I said Ethiopia is out of the picture. We don’t offer ourselves to no one.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            It is all the usual empty bravado on your part.

            Ethiopia is not mineral rich Angola, Congo or South Africa. Why don’t you list what Ethiopia has in large quantities?

          • Abi

            Simon
            Since Ethiopians are not competing to be colonized, no need to display what we have.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Ethiopia is ranked in HDI 173 out of 189. Eritrea is even worse at 182.

            We are at the bottom of the food chain and nothing to brag about the condition of our people.

            I don’t support colonization but do consider joining the commonwealth countries.

            Now I know the secret of some off the successful African countries.

            Berhe

          • mad mullah

            Hello Berhe,
            what is the secret of some of successful African countries?

          • Teodros Alem

            selam berhe
            How u doing, “ematametaw gud yelem ante”
            r u sure ethiopia is ranked 173? when was that? under eprdf ?or did u checked the rank under 3A?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Tedros,

            Gena yezorebet. I don’t know when the ranking happened and which government. You can google it and find out for yourself. If you believe Ethiopian people are developing better than the rest of the world, please make your case.

            And I believe it’s primary lack of good governance.

            Listen the current political issue Ethiopia has, I can’t think of any country in the world have it. I can’t think of any.

            My objective is, to find a way to shield my country away from all your problems.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,
            I am slightly confused here. Do you consider Eritrea as a former territory of the British empire, or a British colony? Britain administered Eritrea as a UN trust territory until 1952 after the Italians. The commonwealth are former territories of the British empire. Did you mention the commonwealth, because you think that Eritrea was also a British colony? Do you think that Eritrea fulfills the criteria that may be required to join the commonwealth?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            You are correct the commonwealth was setup for members who had constitutional ties with former British empire, how ever in exceptional circumstances there is a the process that would allow members. In Africa for example, Mozambique which was admitted in 1995 and Rwanda 2009 were not tied with the British. BTW, other countries who applied for membership but still pending decision include as of today, Algeria (former French Colony) Sudan and Yemen both tied to British. I believe Eritrea circumstances meets that exception.

            Currently Eritrea does not meet the admission criteria due to mostly of the dictator regime but it would something to strive to achieve. I specially like section d.

            Berhe

            (a) an applicant country should, as a general rule, have had a historic constitutional association with an existing Commonwealth member state, save in exceptional circumstances;
            (b) in exceptional circumstances, applications should be considered on a case-by-case basis;
            (c) an applicant country should accept and comply with Commonwealth fundamental values, principles, and priorities as set out in the 1971 Declaration of Commonwealth Principles and contained in other subsequent Declarations;
            (d) an applicant country must demonstrate commitment to: democracy and democratic processes, including free and fair elections and representative legislatures; the rule of law and independence of the judiciary; good governance, including a well-trained public service and transparent public accounts; and protection of human rights, freedom of expression, and equality of opportunity;
            (e) an applicant country should accept Commonwealth norms and conventions, such as the use of the English language as the medium of inter-Commonwealth relations, and acknowledge Queen Elizabeth II as the Head of the Commonwealth; and
            (f) new member states should be encouraged to join the Commonwealth Foundation, and to promote vigorous civil society and business organisations within their countries, and to foster participatory democracy through regular civil society consultations

            Berhe

          • mad mullah

            Hello Abi,
            I have never seen a more brilliant answer to nonsense

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            Ethiopia is on its way to break apart. Enjoy your nap.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selam Berhe,
            With this comment you made, it reminds me our pow-wow from last time.
            So, if you are agains foreign forces support [I understand your fear btw] and you admit there can’t be any opposition from within, how do you expect HGDF can be removed? Praying for natural causes?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mehandis,

            Our pow-wow, now ever time I think of you I and going to picture you as Jackie, from sienfeld:).

            Isn’t a job of a great engineer is to solve complex problems?

            I don’t recall admitting that there can’t be any opposition within Eritrea.

            As a great engineer, your job is to find a solution to complex problems 🙂

            Years ago I become familiar with writing of Gene Sharp and the non violence movement and I truly believe that it is the best thing for us or for anyone else for that matter, that can transform society from dictatorship to democracy.

            It has worked in most parts but it has failed to transition in some other parts. I will give you few examples.

            1) Serbia – probably the most successful one that brought down milosovic. Tunisia is a good example as well. You can google and watch a movie “Bringing down a dictator”.

            2) in Egypt it has failed because they didn’t continue with the same vigour and resolve those that brought down the dictator. They should have continued until the military powers are restrained and in civilian hands. Same thing is happening in Sudan.

            In our case what we have is what Sharp call “atomization”.
            And here is how he defines it:

            “Atomisation” is when a regime attempts to make every individual in this society an isolated unit. It’s one of the main ways that took over their systems, seek to control their populations, make them all fear each other, fearing to speak out and to act together, never telling your neighbor or even sometimes a family member what you really think. By seeing the example of the demonstration and bravery by other people, now it’s ‘we.’ Now it’s we, and we can do something that I alone could not.

            During the Yiakle period, we seem to overcome that and we are in tradition period to the next part.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            We have something in common, Seinfeld.
            Speaking of Jackie Chiles. you remind me of an Episode with Kramer: that’s totally inappropriate. It’s lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous! 🙂

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mehandis,

            You really are:)

            Kramer: We had a little pow wow.
            Jackie: Pow wow? Who told you to have a pow wow? Did I tell you to have a pow wow? I didn’t tell you to have a pow wow!

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Birhin!
            I invite you to listen to one of my favorite songs:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVDzKrIoLg&list=RD0BdzfKYo7Z8&index=3

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Mehands M’Ebale
            ኣጎስማይ. Now check the car in the music video “adimera” with Yared Negu. ፈውሲ ሕንኪዶ ወሲዶም ክንብል?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            wow! ኣሞይ Abrehet,
            I was not aware of this at all. What did just happen to our people. I am ashamed.
            It is painful to watch.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Mehandis,

            Thanks for sharing. I think I get what you are telling me.

            I am not giving up on you, I still want you to think good and hard to find a solution, our own solutions. Noting wrong to copy from others and given them credit but we still need to find our own solution.

            They were in power for 27 years and they didn’t solve their own problems, instead they created more problems which is complex to solve today.

            You can’t expect them to solve our problems, let them go and solve their problems first.

            Berhe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,
            There was no time ethiopians were not struggling against their unjust rulers. During the derg, ethiopians were carrying out urban insurgencies by planting bombs and caring out political assassinations, or they were fighting in the fields. If they were fighting for the people or for themselves, that is a different story. They are fighting even today, because they have no idea this time where they are going, except for one thing, to the citadel of power, to do what others have done before them.
            Maybe, the difference between the two people lies in their psychological makeup. There are many ethiopians who want to be leaders for the sake of it. That is why regime change comes to ethiopia, but not real change towards democracy. We hope that it could be different this time.
            In eritrea, on the other hand, its small size and population make demonstrations and insurgencies difficult, and any opposition to the regime coming from the people could easily be curtailed, on top of the reluctance one sees. Moreover, maybe they think that replacing one dictator with another is not worth the sacrifice. Their is also the exhaustion factor. All these may affect their mood for revolt. Therefore (you can throw my opinion out through the window), as I see it, mutiny in the military may be the only way for change, although no one knows the type of leader who comes out of it. A small group of military people who come together and say enough is enough, not half heartedly as we saw in the past, and can influence many more for change, may be the way towards getting rid of the status quo. Remember, 50% of the young in the refugee camps were members of the military, another source of support, which unfortunately tplf is trying to exploit. Therefore, we can’t blame the people.

          • Brhan

            Hello Berhe Y, Amanuel
            Also Eriterans’s internal resistance to the regime is manifested by
            1) Exile of the youth to the Sudan and Ethiopia
            2) Deserting the indefinte national service in huge numbers ( which can also lead to #1 but also within the country)
            3) Graffitis such as of Yiakel كفاية word as an example
            4) And poltical satires.
            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Brhan,

            Demonstrations outside of our country is not effective, if there is no activities of demonstrations from inside to collaborate with. To tell you the truth, I had participated almost to every demonstration in my area. It only serve to our personal satisfaction to shout in front the Eritrean Embassy. it never helped to the oppressed and destitute Eritrean people inside our country.

            Second, the “mass exodus” of our young is not good for the cause of the struggle, if we believe that change should come from inside. We were told that the diaspora is only supplemental to them. Myself, I call it “dereliction of duty” of Eritrean diasporas. Since young generation are the engine of change, mass exodus is detrimental to our struggle from inside.

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I remember, about ten years ago, Tesfaye [Forgot his first name] on Asmarino penned an article where the nub was the exodus of young Eritreans but he took it for a resistance. And you, Yosief Gebrehiwet and myself debated about it on the comment section.

            You and I agreed that it was a sign of hopelessness but Yosief if I remember correctly agreed with Tesfaye. I still believe that it is a sign of hopelessness where the evidence is that if you talk to young Eritreans, they invariably tell you that they just want to have a life but in Eritrea where you hardly sense a fighting spirit much less the need to go back and fight. We shouldn’t delude ourselves.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Dr Paulos,

            Yes, you are absolutely right. His name is “Seyoum Tesfay” a well read activist and a staunch fighter. I am proud to call him a colleague. We have worked together on organizing few symposiums in Washington DC. We are still members of EGS-ND ( a civic organization).

          • Brhan

            Merhaba Ustaz,
            Also I agree with you that the demonstratio from within Eritrea are more effective, I have seen demonstrations in the West bring posetive results and we should continue in our demonstrations because
            1) they raise awareness to the non- Eritrean public, gov’t and oridinary citizen.
            2) They have hosted many political parties, civic societes and activist , as a result, strengthning solidarity among them.
            3) Some of the demonstrations played a role to efforts that resulted in removing of some of the regime’s reps in the west and adding scrutiny on the regime’s staff. Thus regime’s gangs who have used to intimedate and harras members of the opposition openly,are now
            out of service.

            Thanks

          • Sultan

            Selam Birhan:
            Leaving the nation in droves as a sign of discontent and oppression might sound resistance but in reality, if aggravates the already aggravated mess in the nation !
            The regime has EFFECTIVELY and EFFICIENTLY has used this PUSH FACTOR as the most successful way of weakening the Movement go Justice!
            Am surprised that u missed this one!
            Until proven otherwise, it is a set up !
            This is besides keeping the Youth away through the National Service, undemarcated border and using this excuse as a threat from the north, which is aggravated by the TPLF’s “compliance “ and “ Solidarity”with that of the Regime’s hidden agenda of weakening Eritrea , the reason I HATE and OPPOSE both regimes !
            Banni
            G the Private Sector of the economy and destroying the Efucation System are but few tactics of setting up the Eritreans to leave Eritrea in droves thereby weaken the home based Struggle and Fight for JUSTICE and against the system!

          • Brhan

            Merhaba Sultan,
            On exile: do not forget the regime has had shoot to kill policy if your destination is Tigray, Ethiopia and harsh jail policy if it is to the Sudan. So, I do not know how the push factor in your analysis fits this policy, I can only understand this factor when the regime wants to get rid of its supporters because they become a burden to it. An example can be veterans , including artists where the regime indirectly blesses their migrating to the west mainly: ክትሕከም ክትህብትም ንደሊ ግን ምስ ተቓወምቲ ክይትላለ!
            I see the exile as a manifestation of resistance. They are opposing the Warsaw – Yikaleo policy, Thus opposing the regime.

            What about #2, 3 and 4?

          • Sultan

            Birhan:
            I agree at least in principle with all what you listed above as forms of RESISTANCE but am just clarifying to you as to how the regime might be using the exodus as a means of weakening Eritrea thereby strengthening its power grip by draining and depleting it’s productive force the already weak nation !
            Dr Andeberhan W answered your questions and your dilemma in details by boldly exposing the regime agenda by telling us that it has weakened and crippled the already crippled EDF .
            He might be wrong but you can’t ignore the testimony by an insider.
            We have to assume and apply Circumstantial Evidence to support and substantiate our arguments.
            My argument was NOT to refute or challenge your legit list but argue otherwise that the regime in fact might be using the exodus for its own purpose!
            The shoot to kill policy might have its own purpose too.
            To cover up its real agenda to appear that it stands against the exodus.
            The PFDJ Govt has known exactly how,why and who had been smuggling the Youth through land cruisers from Asmera to Khartoum.
            It is beyond complicated conspiracy and evil act beyond our comprehension!

      • Desbele

        Selam Amanuel,
        “Unlike the Eritreans who subdue to the despot…”
        I would rather say “Unlike Isaias who managed to subdue Eritreans, Abiy would not be able to do the same in Ethiopia. ” My reasoning being it is more of Isaias ruthlessness and systemic destruction of the social fabric in Eritrea than the meekness of the people that resulted in total control.The Ethiopians under EPRDF has experienced some space to express dissent and it would be hard to rollback.
        In Eritrea’s case , people are jailed for ‘thought crime’ , college education is under military administration, any form of gathering that attract the youth arises suspicion and is dealt with force…Thats why, unless internal crack (like that of Wedi Ali) or rebel force launched from foreign territory a change driven by internal Eritrean popular uprising is just a wishful thinking.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Desbele,

          Better wording. I agree. Thank you.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Dr. Paulos and Aman,

      It looks it’s deja vu again. A kind of patern seems to be in play. Dr. Abij and entourage have exhausted all phases of selling to the public that their way was different from the ways their predecessors had followed.

      But, their way could not provide any content or purpose to national discourse other than public relations sloganeering (medemer). The extent they could go has actually been an attempt to put some sense of politics and purpose to through opening the gates wide on all directions: From highly incensed and nostalgic remnants of feudo- imperial regime, through the functionaries of the Derg to the various armed and political formations with divergent agendas and program. Even the despot in our country could find a space to exercise his sick ego of survival through repression and incarceration.

      Now, Dr. Abij’s only option was to do what others did to control the people – exclusion and refilling of the jails by assuming extraordinary powers through utilization of loopholes in the law of the law of the land (constitution). They have already done so riding the problems the current pandemic has brought.

      However, the question is shall replaying the conventional patterns of state control and repressions give different results!. To make it brief, thus, shall the state control measures that did not save Hailemariam Desalegn will be different now and help Dr. Abij? Let us wait and see.

      • Paulos

        Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

        As a historian, it is not lost on you where the Ethiopian history is a history of violence, militarism and rebellion except a brief respite with in the last couple of decades. Abiy is harping back to a recourse where former Ethiopian rulers tried to subdue a restless society to no avail but created more grounds for instability instead.

        As Emma put it, Eritrea is not Ethiopia and Isaias may have an illusion of prescribing heavyhandedness and lends a consult to Abiy as such where sadly enough hitherto Abiy is receptive to it. The only way out if Abiy has any goodwill or intention at all is a national dialogue including with the Oromo fuctions and the Weyanes. Short of that, as you put it, it will be a de ja vu not only of the mid 70s but even worse than that.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          Our historian in house, our own Ismail AA, has encapsulated about Abiy and the current Ethiopian politics discourse as follows:

          “…. their way could not provide any content or purpose to national discourse other than public relations sloganeering (medemer).”

          It is a clear statement that does not require further explanations. Abiy let alone to lead a nation of multicultural society, he can not make his own people (the Oromo social group) on his side. In a bizarre way, he is either killing them with his own security people or displacing them from their villages scattered everywhere without shelters. Issayas’s dirty game is in play inside Ethiopia, not to dislodge wayane, but to ignite ethnic strife in Ethiopia.

          Regards

  • Selam All,

    What is really happening? Why does this topic of recolonization of Eritrea by Italy pops up now and then?
    As pointed out by some, the whole idea of calling back the italian colonialist in any form is irrational. It is an insult to Eritreans and all Africans who had been murdered in their millions (DRC), their skulls still lying in their thousands in the basement of the Berlin museum, their resources plundered and were dehumanized. The effects of these inhuman acts by the colonialists are still with Africans.
    Colonialism was the replacement of the slave trade. The british praise themselves saying that they abolished the slave trade, but they don’t tell us that they replaced it with colonialism. The exploitation was all the same, in africa, in the blackman’s home this time, and not in far away americas, in the tobacco and cotton plantations.
    As if neo-colonialism, today’s African continued implicit and explicit exploration and the resulting backwardness is not enough, requesting for the return of the worst type of human suffering, degradation and exploration in human history, has no logic whatsoever. It is an insult to the memory of millions who suffered and died under European colonialism all over the world. It is an insult to africans who remain poor and backward because of the whiteman’s negative intervention in their lives, and saying that all that happened(happens) in africa is the sole responsibility of africans doesn’t hold water.
    Just one example. Imagine the billions of dollars that flow illegally out of africa every year (about 150bn, if i am nor mistaken), that could have been invested in education, health, industries, etc.
    The west was created and it is sustained today by exploiting africa, the middle east and the rest of the world in general. Living in the west may blind us to these facts, and we may be lured to think that they will do the same thing for africa’s development, if africans call them back. It is naivety. Such things will never happen.
    The west cannot survive without the exploitation of others. When this stops, they stop being the power of the world. Therefore, calling back the exploiters is rationalizing the most irrational thing in life. There is no dignity in being a slave, more or less, or a second class citizen.
    After all, why is it that some eritreans are so much infatuated with fascist italy that they want them back. Is it because they sent their ancestors as askaris to die in libya, somalia and ethiopia; is it because they built asmara with slave labor with the aim to stay in italian east africa for a thousand years; or is it because they built a railway about 200km long to move resources out of eritrea; or is it because eritreans lived under an apartheid system as second class citizens in their own land? Could these be the reason to call back the italian colonialist, when everybody in africa, even if they are ruled by dictators, are cherishing the fact that they are not under the whiteman’s yoke like their ancestors? This is nothing else but forfeiting the responsibility of facing one’s own nemesis, one’s own dictator. Nevertheless, it will never set them free from their responsibility. It will be replacing one dictator with another master.

    • Lebam

      Selam Horizon,

      Well said, I agree with you.

      When I read that some wanted to be “colonized” again, (Stockholm syndrome) I got furious and then disgusted. I honestly got sick to my stomach.

    • David Samson

      Horizon,
      Since you have claimed never to be colonised, you have no business telling me what I want. since you or your ancestors did not go through colonisation, you are not in a position to lecture whose who went through. I let you-off a couple of times, but no this time around.

      Stick to your history and spent time to fix your own back yard before even it is too late for colonist to come to rescue you.

      • NewDawn

        Selam David samson, whether they was colonised or not, they did taste italian control. Which lead to the addis Ababa massacre! Many more would have followed if the italians stayed longer.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Selam Horizon:
      Please, chilax!
      Only Dave brought up this none sense of giving Eritrea back to Italy
      Why do u even consider it as a debatable issue here?
      Eritrea is an Independent and Sovereign Nation with clearly delineated borders and territories and Sea; and it belongs to only and only Eritreans.
      Please WORRY about the very worrisome situation in Ethiopia as updated by Sir Amde when and where Ethiopians are pausing to cut each other’s necks!

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ‘ዝ ጽሑፍ ናይ ዳዊት
    ክዝክር ግዜ ንእስነቱ
    ምስ መተዓቢቱ
    ሕጅ ግን
    በዚ መጺኡ ዘይተባህለ ውሕጅ
    ተጎቲቱ
    ቀይሩ ኣንፈቱ

    ንሱ ዝጸሓፈ
    ናይ ኣስመላሽ
    ወሃብቲ ርኢቶ [ካባይ ጀሚርካ]
    ጣቋ ዘይብሉ
    ልክዕ ከም ዓወት ንሓፋሽ

    መሲሉ
    ኣደብ ዘይብሉ
    ከመይ ምጸበቐ
    ልጓም ተንገብረሉ

  • sara

    selamat to all ethiopians,
    congratulation for the 1st phase filling of your renaissance dam.

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hello Ethios:
    Pay attention to the following,Gen Nittric’ “Prophecy”/Prediction.

    “There are two noteworthy features of the recent massacres.
    One I would say uniquely Oromo feature of these events is that it vividly shows that the Rift Valley remains – even after a few centuries – a line of cleavage where the Oromo regional identity is contested. Most of the massacres were centered in major towns of the Rift Valley. There were also other massacres in Arsi and Bale. Pretty much east of the Rift valley, we have the eastern Ethiopian highlands, which were settled by the Oromo early, and then rather thoroughly islamized to the extent that they believe there is no such thing as a Christian Oromo. I will have to look deeper into this, but I am told that the Waqefetta (Oromo ancient religion) practices exist much more visibly among the Shewan Orthodox Christian Oromo than they do among the Moslem living the eastern escarpment speaking to how thoroughly Waqeffetta was driven underground.

    There were reports of Qerro that were literally bussed in via convoys and brought into Addis. I have heard multiple report that when contested, these for the most part turned out to be hapless young kids who were promised ETB200 to just go into town and break glasses and create mayhem. One account I had to personally verify from at least two independent people was that of the Qerro trying to torch Menelik II Hospital with its patients inside. They were driven back by the hospital staff and nearby residents. It appears these were not of the same caliber as the ones who had killing lists of names and addresses and were methodically spreading terror in the Rift Valley, Arsi and Bale.

    It is obvious then that these groups were heavily supported by much of the existing OPDO machinery and Oromiya government. Hence the massive arrests – where as of today the government is announcing a number as high as seven thousand.

    The second noteworthy feature can be extrapolated nationally. And that these were attacks on cities by forces fed with rural resentment. This was also something that fed the successful agitation against the Addis Ababa Master Plan. I personally think this is a critical point – and probably explains even things like TPLFs insurgency. This rural alienation was explained in ethnic terms and here we are. It also tells us that the ethnic federation as we have been implementing it, is simply incompatible with cosmopolitan spaces. . Cities need to be culturally open and decide on their own fate, instead of being resented centers for the self enrichment of those that are skilled ethnic agitators. It is no wonder that right now there is massive capital and business flight from cities in Oromiya”.
    Courtesy of Sir Amde.

  • Amde

    Hello Awatistas,

    I have been absent for a while, and to be honest I will probably regret popping back in. Not because of any of the gracious hosts or great participants but because I tend to get consumed too much in the issues and conversations. ZI am not sure I can add to teh discussion but I thought I would throw in my perspective.

    First, I’d like to express my condolences to Amanuel Hidrat’s recent loss. I cannot imagine how you feel, but I hope you find comfort.

    It seems Ethiopian issues still manage to clock the most comments on this very Eritrean site. Saay the great once said “nobody reads the articles” when commenting how the body of commentary with an article have no bearing to the topic at hand. Plus ca change plus la meme chose say the French (Yes, I don’t have the French keyboard so the saying stays Anglified and thus mangled).

    Congratulations to Ethiopia on completing the first year’s filling of the GERD Dam. I am told there actually enough water held back to spin a couple of turbines. It seems on this very day Egypt chose to take its marbles and pursue a Libyan adventure. So we are not out of the woods but it is an extremely important milestone. There is a man made lake now. I have been proposing naming it Meles Lake and surprisingly many people who were no fans of his are open to the idea. It is said that a rather large island will form in the middle of the lake, and so I would propose naming the Island after Engineer Simegnew.

    Ethiopia is in a bit of dire straits. The troubles of late June early July showed that the potential exists for catastrophic breakdown of central authority and potentially genocide via engineered conflicts. We were very lucky I think.

    My position is we are living through the aftermath of the fatal negative reinforcement of ethnic/language federalism, and EPRDFs political structure and culture.

    Language Federalism created enclaves in which it is made clear that the law and the offices of law enforcement are by design made to enforce the will of the ethnic majority within the unit. We thus saw the unbelievable spectacle of a mayor and his police force watching supposedly helplessly as his city gets destroyed by terrorists with lists and names. It was Ok to stand back as long as the “right people” were massacred and livelihoods destroyed.

    EPRDF was the country’s only channel for ambitious politicians to play politics and rise through the ranks. If you were ambitious, you would maximize the noise about your particular ethnic group pushing for the creation of your own enclave. This was a constitutional right that was actually blocked for many language groups by extra-constitutional means by the EPRDF.

    It was also pretty opaque as to how competition within the front was supposed to work. Since the TPLF was master for a long time, the other units ANDM and OPDO innovated the use of “peaceful” street muscle to force the TPLF off its perch. Down to branding called Qerro and Fanno and outside Media.

    The problem with this kind of innovation is that it is kind of hard to keep it in the lab. To make the Qerro successful, a good chunk of the OPDO cadre and Oromiya government got the training on how to fund, organize and deploy these synthetic mobs. Once Abiy and Lemma got into power, these same cadre and bureaucrats were available to use these new skills to whoever would be willing to pay or promise a believable cause.

    It is probably not a surprise that many of the suspects who torched the very cosmopolitan city of Shashemene fled 35 km down the road to the city of Awasa for protection, now the capital of Sidama state – itself agitated into hurried existence by the massacre of mostly Welayta residents.

    There are two noteworthy features of the recent massacres.

    One I would say uniquely Oromo feature of these events is that it vividly shows that the Rift Valley remains – even after a few centuries – a line of cleavage where the Oromo regional identity is contested. Most of the massacres were centered in major towns of the Rift Valley. There were also other massacres in Arsi and Bale. Pretty much east of the Rift valley, we have the eastern Ethiopian highlands, which were settled by the Oromo early, and then rather thoroughly islamized to the extent that they believe there is no such thing as a Christian Oromo. I will have to look deeper into this, but I am told that the Waqefetta (Oromo ancient religion) practices exist much more visibly among the Shewan Orthodox Christian Oromo than they do among the Moslem living the eastern escarpment speaking to how thoroughly Waqeffetta was driven underground.

    There were reports of Qerro that were literally bussed in via convoys and brought into Addis. I have heard multiple report that when contested, these for the most part turned out to be hapless young kids who were promised ETB200 to just go into town and break glasses and create mayhem. One account I had to personally verify from at least two independent people was that of the Qerro trying to torch Menelik II Hospital with its patients inside. They were driven back by the hospital staff and nearby residents. It appears these were not of the same caliber as the ones who had killing lists of names and addresses and were methodically spreading terror in the Rift Valley, Arsi and Bale.

    It is obvious then that these groups were heavily supported by much of the existing OPDO machinery and Oromiya government. Hence the massive arrests – where as of today the government is announcing a number as high as seven thousand.

    The second noteworthy feature can be extrapolated nationally. And that these were attacks on cities by forces fed with rural resentment. This was also something that fed the successful agitation against the Addis Ababa Master Plan. I personally think this is a critical point – and probably explains even things like TPLFs insurgency. This rural alienation was explained in ethnic terms and here we are. It also tells us that the ethnic federation as we have been implementing it, is simply incompatible with cosmopolitan spaces. Cities need to be culturally open and decide on their own fate, instead of being resented centers for the self enrichment of those that are skilled ethnic agitators. It is no wonder that right now there is massive capital and business flight from cities in Oromiya.

    That leads to the short to medium term consequences to PM AAA and his team. It is inevitable that he will be forced to take drastic actions that will have him labelled as authoritarian. Oromiya has failed as a state – indeed it is being called a failed state. It also means that his team and much of the Oromiya bureaucracy will likely be more heavily skewed to those he can trust – i.e. people from the Western mountains that did not show the presence of such savagery and more probably Christian. How that plays out is something we will have to see, but I don’t think a resurrection of a Shewa of some sort is far fetched. That would also probably drive the development of a regionalist congregation of the Eastern half of Oromiya, possibly more resentful of being pushed out of the power centers.

    All in all, I think PM AAA can be blamed for a number of things, but the fundamental problem he inherited was that he was head of an organization that was filled with people who did not know which horse to ride – the Ethiopia horse at the national level, or the Oromiya independence horse. This has been a “clarifying” event.

    The scuttlebutt is that TPLF was involved in what has occurred – I guess we will find out fairly soon. What TPLF”s fate is and the gamesmanship between Isayyas, Abiy and TPLF is something to discuss for another day.

    BUT, I think this is the forum to ask this question :

    Assuming Isayyas is not an immortal and he probably has fewer than ten fingers’ worth of years of effective power left, isn’t it time to discuss what this forum’s thoughts are on the question of of post-Isayyas and post-TPLF?

    I personally think that the region needs an Addis of the north, a massive economic engine that can integrate the economies of today’s Amara, Tigray and Eritrea. We desperately need to get out of the zero-sum game our elites are engaged in. An extended cold war over Raya or Badme or Welqayit, overlayed by the ambitions of Eritrean radicals that have a vision to make Tigray into a weakened buffer state between Ethiopia and Eritrea are no vision to graduate into the next decade. A win-win-win vision of economic integration is a much better and more sustainable approach.

    Amde

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Amde,

      I am so glad to know you are well and sharper than ever too!
      May you have a pleasant visit.

      Do you happen to know whether Eyob is okay. If I am not mistaken he lived in Shashemene.

      • Amde

        Hi Dottore Fanti,

        Thank you sire.

        Unfortunately I don”t know where Eyob is. I know he said he was from there, but I took that to mean as that being where he grew up, but otherwise living in Addis.

        I hope he and his family are alright.

        Amde

        • Abi

          Amdachin + Fantachin
          Eyobachin grew up in shashemene and moved to Addis. He lived around Popolare and went to ሽመልስ ሃብቴ high school.
          I believe he said he lives around DC area.
          Pay attention please!
          Eyobe, you are dearly missed. Hope to see you soon. ቁምነገረኞቹ ብቅ ብቅ ማለት ጀምረዋል::

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው እንደምን ኣደሩ፡
            እርስዎም ግብረ-ሃይል ማሰባሰብ ጀመሩ?

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ኃይላችንን ለማጠናከር ነው:: ብቻዬን ማስተማር ታከተኝ:)

          • Haile S.

            ኣባ ትልቁ፡

            ኣየሁት እኮ እንደታከትዎ ማስተማር
            ባወተ ዩኒቨርስቲ ተማሪ ታጣ የሚማር
            ሰዉ ተሎ እየተመረቀ መምህራን በዙ
            ቀቃይ ሲነታረክ ወጦች ኣረው ጠነዙ

    • Aligaz G

      Amde,

      Ground zero reporting plus analysis followed by a prescription. All presented in clear and accessible language. Bravo

      • Amde

        Thank you Aligaz G.

        Did I tell you I had a relative we always called Gash Aligaz? I don’t know if it is your real name – but it’s a toss-up on what is more Welloye – Yimer or Aligaz.

        Amde

        • Aligaz G

          Amde

          Aligaz which I think is a variant of Alijaz from the Turkish is a real Wolloye name. Yimam and Yimer and are not as distinguished in my humble opinion. ha ha

    • Saleh Johar

      Welcome Ande,
      Your cool headed comments missing, I felt the vacuum was filled by the hit headed. Anything coming from you is sane, respectful and engaging. I have so many points to disagree with you about. But why would I spoil the welcome when this is not the end of it? Thank you for gracing this forum and God bless.

      • Amde

        Thank you ever gracious host.

        Amde

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Amde,
      It has been pretty long since some of us had missed your contribution. I hope your absence was for good reason(s). Welcome back at a time some of us here in this forum need you most. I just logged in, and did not read your entry. I want to join Saleh Johar in his welcome comment. Glad to have you back, sir.

      • Amde

        Thank you Gash Ismail AA,

        You are always very kind.

    • Abi

      ክቡርነትዎ
      የመብራቱ ምሰሶ ጠፍቶ ጭለማ ውጦን ነበር::
      እንኳን ደህና መጡልን

      • Amde

        Selam Kbur Ras Abi,

        Wey gud – this computer does not have Ethio keyboard so I am at a definite disadvantage.

        Thank you for the welcome.

        msosowum qome weTerTer eyale
        mebratum demeqe bog bog eyale
        biqoms bidemqs faydaw keyet alle
        ke brhanu grGe Cewata kelEle !!

        • Abi

          Amdachin
          ጨዋታው ይመጣል መብራቱ ይብራ እንጂ
          በጨለማ ጉዞ ሁልጊዜ ተረጂ
          ስልችት ብሎኛል ሽልጦ ማባረር
          ባዶ ሆድ ውሎ ባዶ ሆድ ማደር
          ህልምአልባ እንቅልፍ የቅዠት ማህደር
          አባይ ተገደበ ህይወቴን ሊቀይር!

          Elated to see you again.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Amde,

      Let me join Ismailo and Saleh to join them In welcoming your coming back. You input was greatly missed on the messy regional politics of ours where domestic and international forces in a play. Your’s and Samuel’s analysis will give us a good start to tackle the issue at hand. Welcome again.

      • Amde

        Selam Amanuel,

        Thank you for welcoming me back.
        It is very gracious of you.

        I am not sure to be honest that we will have learned something new since it appears events at our region seem to occur at a faster pace than our mental frameworks seem to have been prepared for.

        In any case, I will ty to jump in every once in a while.

        My condolences on your loss again.

        Amde

    • Brhan

      Hello Amde,
      “….isn’t it time to discuss what this forum’s thoughts are on the question of of post-Isayyas and post-TPLF?”
      Thank you for your question.
      1. There is fundamental difference__Isayas(Eritrea) is a country and TPLF (Tigray) is a region in Ethiopia as a result TPLF issue is then Ethiopia’s international in general and Tigray issue in particular.
      2. TPLF is elected by the people while Isayas is not (as you know there has been no election of any sort in Eritrean since its independence) . The election of a regional gov’t in Tigrary belongs to Tigrary in particular and Ethiopia in general.
      3. The problems of Eritrea are different than in Ethiopia.
      * There is no rule of law. Amde if you have a relative or friend in Eritrea, he or she will tell you about beloved ones langushing in prison ( under ground and container) with out trial. THERE IS NO RULE OF LAW. I read B. Gerba and J. Mohamed cases are seen by court ( unles Abiy follows Isyasy style)
      * There is no freedom of speech, religion and consciousness at all. Proof me wrong if it is different in Ethiopia.
      * No democracy.
      * No free media local and international. Ethiopia has including international media reps such as BBC, Algezira
      * No parliament.
      * SAWA ( the military camp visisted recently by Abiy) and slavery type military service. Ones you enter, forget about your own life. The social fabric of Eritrean family is destroyed: young men and women deprived from marriage and forming a normal life. Married men in military unable to support their wives and children which is leading to divorces which is becoming abundant, and the increase of sucide. There is a lot to share with about SAWA but have you heard a brilliant grade 10 students fails his or her exam by purpose to avaoid to go to SAWA ( FYI after grade 11 in Eritrea , the take you directly to SAWA)

      * Seeking asylum: You do not need any explanation of why and how many but by now you will know why are Eritreans including 8 years old fleeing their country

      Amde it is hard to compare Eritrea and Tigray/Ethiopia. You will find from both sides who like the dictator but do you think the Ethiopians will love to see Ethiopia like Eritrea?
      4. The problems of Ethiopia change rapidly but they have one thing in common: aspirations of federalist and nationalist. I believe Abiy is trying to balance between the two. As an Eritrean I see that an internal Ethiopian issue. Getachew Reda in his recent interview at Assena. com said Isayas see that time now is good to wash the federal system in Ethiopia. Do you think he cares about Ethiopia. Only the foolish will believe him but he know this system is not only to his south and west but also a demand by many Eritreans that it will give him no rest to his power not only in Eritrea but also in the region.
      In conclusion , the comparison is not fare. The detalis above also shows technically it is impossible to see the issue in that perspective. Our discourse must focus on rule of law, democracy and freedom of speech because they help us see the future which we dream where prosperity, peace and cooperation prevail in our region.

      • Sultan M.G.

        Ahlen Ya Brhan:
        Amde knows exactly what you are saying and that is why he sneaked in this:
        “Assuming Isayyas is not an immortal and he probably has fewer than ten fingers’ worth of years of effective power left, isn’t it time to discuss what this forum’s thoughts are on the question of of post-Isayyas and post-TPLF?”

      • Amde

        Selam Brhan,

        Thank you for your input.

        I think Sultan M.G. has better described what I had in mind.

        I think we know all about how each of us suck individually and suck collectively. Isayyas will not live forever. Ethiopia will not bother to invade Eritrea. TPLF might still be in power or maybe a new set of faces might be in charge.

        My hope is to perhaps help start the discussion on a future let us say five years from now. I don’t think a framework built around score-settling, or asserting and cementing relative dominances is the way to go. I think a sober discussion of a relatively specific topic (as amorphous as “economic integration” is) can be a vehicle to drive discussion.

        Thanks,

        Amde

        • mad mullah

          Hello Amde,
          I think any war or conflict between Eritrea and Ethiopia will only prolong or keep IA in power longer.
          If you are interested in the demise of IA it can only be done by advocating peace between Eritrea and Ethiopia.
          There hasn’t much case in History where suffering alone leads people to revolt. It is generally the case that people see and taste something better then revolt.
          When there is complete peace between Eritrea and Ethiopia… the border will more likely be open and people in Eritrea will start asking why we don’t have this or that…
          If Sudan had an economy which was developing and changing like Ethiopia… it could also influence people to ask why are backward in Eritrea.
          Economic integration and open border would plant the seed for IA demise.
          Conflict and Isolation will not bring the demise of IA. The best example would be Myanmar. Myanmar used to be the one of most developed countries in Asia in 1950’s. Look where it is at now.

          • Amde

            Selam mad mullah,

            I agree with you.

            But we find ourselves in a pickle. “Peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea” has an aggrieved party in between and an unresolved border issue. Also, I believe the border was opened from the Ethiopian side until it was closed from the Eritrean side.

            I am thinking that this will not resolve any time soon, but when it does resolve it should do so in a way that takes economic integration of the north as a framework, rather than just reacting to grievances and security. I though this might be the forum to have that discussion.

            Amde

          • mad mullah

            Hello Amde,
            What do you mean when you say “economic integration of north” North of what?
            I don’t understand what you are trying to say in the second paragraph…

    • Kaddis

      Welcome Amde,

      I was hoping you were studying some sort of workable federalism during your absence so that we make the current one obsolete : – ) apparently not.

      Thanks for the summary although now it’s clear that the Isias, G7 ( election and human rights people ) AA coalition looks on the lead and leaving the nationalist movements on defensive. And the western sponsor’s (Egypt included) looks happy and working to make a one man ruler with no election, no media freedom foreseen.
      You can see Isias influence here with examples of limiting cash withdrawal, passport restrictions, reckless killing and jailing, political assassination (more of G7 ehapa), raiding media houses, killing rebels family. …

      Expecting some sort of workable political and economic road map with Isias looks a mockery of the injustice on our gracious hosts here.

      I didn’t mention tplf because I couldn’t see anyone matching it’s lowest governance benchmark
      Atetfa

      • Paulos

        Kaddis,

        The prescient Sal put it two years ago when he said to Ethiopians, Isaias is coming to you with a bag full of Scorpions. There they have it! የመለስ እርግማን ነው!

        • Sultan M.G.

          Paulosay:
          You are conveniently and deliberately ignoring what Sir Amde just told you, that in fact, it has been the TPLF, who has spreading the scorpions all over Ethiopia since 1991 and to this min and as we speak!
          PIA rather tried to minimize the spread of the scorpions since 1993 so as to minimize the chaos and mess Ethiopia is in.
          Stay tuned as the facts and the truth shall be coming out very soon as Sir Amde ANNOUNCED it!

      • Amde

        Selam Kaddis,

        I hope you and your family are doing well.
        (Are you still in Addis?)

        Haha – I have not changed my mind about about what I think the workable federation should be. I believe events have proved all my fears about ethnic federation and the one party mini-states. I can’t wait to see it reformed/changed/cancelled. As far as I am concerned Abiy is not doing it fast enough.

        Biggest issue is the massive imbalance that rewards the largest language groups, but so sequestered that they each have internal narratives that glorify themselves and by proxy negate the other. The last thing Ethiopia needs is to have a system that rewards ethnic competition especially between the large two. “ye fukikir bEt sayzega yadral” new negeru.

        The political system should actually reward politicians who can go across ethnic lines and other cleavages. Right now, it rewards people that maximize the noise about their own ethnicities. What we want is to have an Amara politician who can gather the support for Agaw issues or an Oromo politician who can get the support of Silte community. The system now punishes such type of politicians. It might be fine if we are talking about very rural communities but it is completely unworkable for mixed communities and cosmopolitan spaces.

        It is insane that the mayor of Shashemene can sit back and watch his own city burn like a damn tourist – but a perfectly understandable action from the ethnic politicization perspective. He wasn’t elected to his post. He doesn’t really have to be answerable to the City Council, itself probably filled by cadres like him. He is not scared of his citizens. But he is scared of Jawar and his thronges or Oromiya officials.

        I think we should go to a “federation” of roughly 25 +/- 5 units killis – maybe start around the current zones (there are apparently 67 or so of them) – and worry more on defining the processes by which wereda can agglomerate and become Killils. Such new Killil will most likely end up with with ethnic majorities for the most part, and maybe should have some “rewards” for let’s say the number of weredas which are not of the dominant ethnicities. What sort of rewards? Perhaps the number of votes for the Killil in the national parliament, maybe a more favorable formula of budget allocation etc…

        “ke lib kaleqesu emba aygedim” endemibalew, there are a thousand and one ways for this to be accommodated. The main problems as I see them
        are EPRDF’s political culture and narratives that its cadres have grown up with. What will be in it for them? As you have probably observed, the request for Statehood have mushroomed since Abiy has come to power. I am convinced much of it is driven by EPRDF (PP) regional cadres who all aspire for their little enclaves. They don’t get the idea of a “National” party. They didn’t really have to compete for their community’s votes – since they got their positions and cushy jobs through the meto-be-meto election. As far as they know – as long as they espoused the “ethnic line” and their are plugged into the right network, that is what they think politics means.

        In any case, what happened recently was not an aberration – it was a result of the system as implemented. Which means it will continue to happen unless systemic changes occur.

        Amde

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Sir Amde,

          Government and nature of governance on “multicultural” society was my interest to exchange ideas and debate with you. However, I will leave it for the foreseeable future, until the current hostilities subsides and a normal conversation start. I read your view and will hold it until then. Good to see back again.

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      There was once Amde-Tsion between Yikuno-Amlak and Zera Yacob. And you between Sal and Hayat when they followed your lead due to the unbearable lightness of comments. Hope they make a come back when they are needed most.

      I must admit that I paid more attention only to the last part of your comment when you said we don’t need Zero Medemer Game. Instead economic integration of Amara, Tigrai and Eritrea. Would it be possible when the former is saying, it can stride all the way to Asmara and busk in Massawa while brushing teeth and Tigrai saying, the hell with you all sporting Jersey number 39. And Eritrea? Well, she is in a trance sans medication. Medemer is as Marlon Brando said it in “On The Waterfront”, it could’ve been a contender; it could’ve been somebody! Welcome back!

      • Kaddis

        Selam Gash Paulos
        I couldn’t respond to your uplifting message a week ago,
        Thank you

      • Amde

        Selam Dottore Paulos,

        You are as erudite and clever as ever.

        Thank you for the welcoming words.

        The call for economic integration is a way to do a bit of Sci-Fi time travel and see let’s say five years ahead.

        As I read events right now:
        – TPLF feels cornered (I don’t buy this 39 jersey)
        – Eritrean Nationalists of the PFDJ school think the time is drawing close to “defeat” TPLF which many interpret as leaving Tigray as a weakened buffer state between essentially Shewa and Eritrea
        – Amara nationalism is on the rise

        It is easy to see how these could degenerate into a long period of meaningless toxic tit-for-tats, which the center in Shewa and further south can afford to leave behind in benign neglect.

        I think we need to start looking for a framework that will instead provide the incentive for working together.

        The Badme war was catastrophic for Eritrea and terrible for Tigray. But it’s economic costs are probably hugely incalculable due to how investment and economic activity has been frozen in the the north (Amara + Tigray + Afar + Eritrea). Granted this is my uninformed opinion – and what are anonymous internet identities good for unless you use them for WAGs (Wild Ass Guesses).

        Hope must spring eternal.

        Amde

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          Indeed hope springs eternal.

          Here is the chicken-egg dichotomy that cuts deep into Ontology if economic integration is viable before fostering political institutions. Should the nations work on political institutions first before they entertain economic integration goes the often invoked academic curiosity and policy question? If there is no Accountability, Transparency and Legal Frameworks or Rule of Law in Eritrea, for instance, what guarantees Ethiopia would have for her exports and equally for her imports from Eritrea with in the idea of competitive advantage?

          Clearly, Eritrea is bad news as is including from trading point of view. And that is precisely the reason that a complete make over is way overdue and that can only come into fruition when Isaias Afwerki crosses over to the other side—yes he is mortal.

          Europe started off with “Coal and Steel Corporation” in the early 50s and morphed into “European Union” forty years later for it was designed to mitigate the temptations of war that had costed the continent millions of lives in both World Wars. It is possible for us too but we need to clean our respective houses first.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Paulos,
            Those are good points. Economic Integration is a slow process. You can look at the East African community. They have been implementing it for at least a decade. It can be a model for any African countries thinking of doing economic integration. In matter fact, they have invited South Sudan to join which will integrate and develop South Sudan quicker. You can read about it.
            (https://www.eac.int/)
            Given the type of economic system Eritrea has… I think the current regime would be against Economic Integration given it will lose a lot of control if that happens…
            We can also look into Asean community market.
            There are many models for economic integration in the developing world. Forget the EU… those countries were or at different level of development.
            However, you never know with IA… he loves the limelight and wants to be seen.. that is why in all his interview he spends about 80% of interview talking about neighboring countries… he might go for economic integration just for the attention he would get… in the process creating his own demise.

    • David Samson

      Selam Amde,

      Post-IA Eritrea wishes:

      Return Eritrea to Italy— with some kind of arrangement—preferably, the leasing of it for 100-150 years.

      I know many people’s eyes are already rolling, but let me explain:

      When I propose this ridiculous idea to many people, their first reaction is horror. The same people who live on the welfare system. Majority of these people spent their life either living on benefits or if forced, have to do some odd, low-paid job. They feel their dignity is taken away. But here is my logic: the same people live as second-class citizens in a foreign land; some of them do not even speak their adopted country’s language and do not know the culture as well. Where is the word “Dignity” here? If I live as a less dignified person in a foreign land, doing some odd jobs, owned by European, how is this different if the same European person said to me: Go back to your country and I will come in with money skills to invest? I would create jobs for you, you live in your own country. I see there is downsize to this idea. Ethiopians always mentioned we were treated as second-class citizens on our own country. Which one is better: second-class citizens in a foreign land or second-class citizens on our own country? It is not a no-brainer if you omit the phrase false dignity.

      If my wishes come true, we will have food on a table, shelter, water, above all stability. We had the longest stable environment during the Italian’s period. We thrived, had created an entrepreneur and know-how technocrats. We need
      to return to the glory days.

      You guys need time to figure out how-to live-in harmony. As many analysts have predicted that future wars will be about water. You need to sort out the mess your country is in before you prepare for future wars. If history is a guide, you will likely be at each other’s throat. You are too dignified to contemplate the idea of consuming Ferengi’s Dabo

      • sara

        selamat david,
        indeed ridiculous idea, but this days all and every body has that type of wiled ideas more over it is expected from likes of David Samson’s.

        • David Samson

          Selam Sara,
          It is not. Since our mind is filled in with Hadi-Libi, we have stopped function as a human being. You need to free up your mind from Ghedlis and its ideals.

          • sara

            selam david,
            you see this discussion has made some of them very nostalgic to Italian colonization, albeit the next is to push the idea of ghedli is bad hsi and derg are better.

      • Paulos

        David,

        That is short-sighted and a defeatist attitude. Old Europe is struggling to stand on its own much less Italy whose people are all over the world including in the Americas in search of a better life. Get a grip!

        • David Samson

          Selam Paulos,
          Since I live in EU, I do not see your description of Europe.
          When did you have a proper cup of Latte? Most likely when you were in Asmara. When will you have another one? Never, unless you let the original makers and owners back in.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Dave:
            Thought u were being sarcastic!
            As investors, definitely Italians should come back ASAP!
            They can change Eritrea overnight; not to mention that the EU in its entirety will flock Eritrea as Tourists!
            The Germans and the Scandinavians are benign Investors as well.
            The UAE and the Israelis should be WELCOME as high Tech Investors in Agriculture and Technology by the Israel and Port and Tourism Development by the UAE.
            Our situation is not as complicated as we believe but simple to fix through an ALL Inclusive Constitution along with strongest Institutions!
            We just need a conducive environment for this,i.e.,. kick out the PFDJ Regime and replace it with a Young and conscious Regime!

          • David Samson

            Selam Sultan,

            We had the best educational institutions: La Salle, Daniele Comboni, Santa Anna and many others. Even UOA was founded by Catholic nuns. We should not be blind to these facts because these institutions were built for Italians by Italians. Mind you for every conflict the underlying cause is resources, be it Labour, Capital, Natural or Human. Unless we could create jobs and wealth as soon as possible, all the talk of democracy, the rule of law will be meaningless. Conflicts will then manifest themselves through religion, ethnic, and region and will live forever with catch -22.

          • Paulos

            David,

            And Llceo Scientifico….One of the best for selected bright students.

          • Abi

            David
            Liverpool 5 Chelsea 3
            Great game!

            Man U 1 West Ham 1
            Boring! 💤 💤 💤
            Man U too weak to be in the champions league if they continue playing like today.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Dave:
            I would not disagree with you as I don’t with most of your logical and sensible arguments!

          • mad mullah

            Hello Sultan,
            You make very good points. However, without strong institutions and mechanism it doesn’t make sense to be bringing all those investors. I spent time in Rwanda. When you go the Rwandan Development Board, it is almost you are transported to Africa in 20-30 years. It is very organized and efficient in matching the Country’s development strategy(20 year plan) with investors… They modeled themselves after Singapore in every sense and are fully implementing it.
            I don’t want to talk about been part of Italy people like Ibrahim Sultan and Woldeab Woldemariam wouldn’t be for it. Also, the Italian are not knowing for building an effective institutions.
            The British Somalia- Somaliland has had free election for 20 years and effective government without the British.
            The Italian Somalia is mess. So is Libya.
            All former Italian colonies end up with dictator… of course Mussolini was role model.
            As of 2020, the worst passports to have in Africa are three former Italian colonies. Go check it out at Passport Index.
            So, be careful what you wish for…

          • Paulos

            Selam David,

            This is certainly preaching to the choir but if anything it can give us a perspective.

            In 1500, Europe had 500 units but in 1900 that number was reduced to 25 units precisely because the strong devoured the weak and that dynamic became the insignia of Europe as in violence and militarism. Certainly it had a lot to do with its geography and topography as well. Prior to the 15th Century, the Italian City-States as in Venice, Pizza and Genoa dominated the world particularly Venice when it controlled the trade route from Alexandria all the way to Persia and India but later on the power in trade and military might shifted to the Northern Europe when the Dutch Republics and England controlled the high seas through brilliant trade maneuvers [Dutch East Indian Company in 1601–the first multinational corporation and England’s East Indian Company] and displaced the once powerful Spain and Portugal from dominance around the world.

            England had an advantage for it is isolated so much so that it is connected with the rest of the world through the Channel. As such, it didn’t have to allocate its wealth in building fortresses and castles as the other Europeans did to fend off invaders. Britain through shrewd political calculations and scientific innovations became an Empire in its own right. Italy tried to reinvigorate its old glory by scrambling in Africa in the 1880s and also later on in the 1930s but that was all when it’s mediocre fate was sealed when the City-States of the 14th and 15th Century unable to come back.

            Great Britain was taken over by the New World, a New World with similar blessings when it is protected by the Pacific in the West and the Atlantic in the East but again as history is replete with dramatic shift in world power, China seems determine to make the new century its own century in a classic rivalry as in “Theucydides Trap.” How about Africa in general and as in the Horn in particular? I say, we learn how the great powers made it from backwater to greatness and we emulate the know-how and we find our place on the pedestal of nations. “Si, se peude” when Obama translated it into “Yes, We Can.”

          • David Samson

            Selam Paulos,

            You are at your best when you come up with a piercing perspective.
            Bravo!

            I have my Asmarino’s criteria. I am afraid, I have to mark you down for not knowing Dr Srur. I am from the other side of Asmara and knew most known personalities and gossip on my side. My knowledge on the other side( Your area) was sketchy. I had to consult my friends and confirm my memory is not dead yet. It is only a stone throw away from where you grew up. You must be bookish and did not have the time to catch up with Asmarino’s gossip.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            I have to mark you down for not knowing Dr Srur
            I think there were only two dentist in asmara, one was enda Tekle and the other was Dr. Surur. I think Dr. Surur married one of the most beautiful girl from Paulo school:).

            Paulos is wedi mama:), and I am picture him as someone who was pretty brainy guy with the same name.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            ዋላ ሓደ ከምገለ ዓይነት ሰርነጠወ ምሰል If you have some sort of title as in MD or Ph.D, it is given that you get a knock out girl for marriage and that is across the board not only confined to Eritrea. That is evolutionary advantage if you will where genetic fitness is selected.

            I remember Dr. Srur. He had a dentistry practice right above Bar American and he drove a sort of bungled up yellow Opel Sedan. And me Wedi Mama? Far from it.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I knew Dr Ethiopia when she was in Ethiopia. I was very young but I remember she was a very light skin general practitioner. She was ( I believe) a fresh graduate back then.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            That is probably her—energetic woman with a brisk walk. She later specialized in Pediatrics. You got to give her credit for staying true to her given name for others cringed and changed it.

          • Abi

            Paul
            That is definitely her.
            Last week my father’s best friend passed away. He was a professor at Gonder Medical school for a long time. I don’t know if you knew him. His name was ገብረስላሴ.

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Sorry to hear. I am afraid I don’t.

          • Abi

            Thanks
            He was my Eritrean uncle.
            He lived a great life.
            Hope knows him very well.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Guaddu:
            Are u serious?
            Please confirm before I call his children in DC Metro area( Drs Petros and Adanech( Adhanet) as well as the last kid, Abel!
            Where did he die?
            In Addis?
            Probably he was in his 80s!
            RIP, if confirmed!

          • Abi

            Hope
            Petros is in Addis right now.
            Yes, he died in Addis. He was ill.
            እትዬ ደሃብ አክስቴ ነች ( you know what I mean)
            You never know my father. He has always been in Addis. Never worked in Gonder.

          • Sultan M.G.

            Abinet???
            Dehab is your Auntie( Mother-in-Law)?
            Are u kidding me?
            Or Dr Petros’ wife is your sister?
            Something like that??

          • Abi

            Hope
            As expected you got it all wrong.
            እትዬ ደሃብና ጋሽ ገብረስላሴ የወላጆቼ በጣም የቅርብ ጏደኞች ናቸው:: እኔ እንደ አጎትና አክስት ነው የማያቸው::
            አትነይ ብዬ ነው የምጠራት እትዬ ደሃብን::
            እኔ ዼጥሮስና ዳላስ የምትኖር የህፃናት ሃኪም ወንድምና እህቶች ነን::
            FYI, the pediatrician at Dallas is the
            Gold Medal winner at AAU medical school.
            ለዛሬ ይበቃናል::

          • Sultan M.G.

            Guaddu:
            Read me again as I said “ I know you might mean close Family Friend”!
            The rest was just a wild speculation !
            Apologies if I sounded “ offensive”!
            Am desperately looking for Petros’ contact info!
            Disregard my “unfair request ‘

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulo,

            I was just reminding who he was married to. Speaking of Dr. marrying someone better, check a clip from Sienfeld, the dream of becoming a doctor.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Hi Berhe

            In (old fashioned) Germany, if her husband has a Dr title the wife is called Frau Dr.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            Wow she automatically inherits the title. No wonder women like to marry a Doctors.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            Selam Berhe,

            Why did not you interfere when I need you badly? In fact, I forget you are my type of Asmarinos. Dr Srur, too, was tall and handsome.

            Paulos status has been downgraded due to his wedi-Mama upbringing.

            As I am a working-class kid, I used to despise the wedi-mamas, but looking back, I am one of the few Habesahs who openly admits of envy and jealousy. These are the traits which always consume us and hold us to stuck on the lift.

      • Desbele

        Hi David,
        Historian Tekeste in his 1997 book Eritrea and Ethiopia ‘The federal experience” suggested ” to entrust the management of the Offices of the Chief Justice and Attorney-General to foreign, preferably European, experts
        I couldnt agree more. If managing a Telecom or Airline company is difficult for the locals and can be oursourced , why not the much vital justice? Below is the full excerpt from his book, PP 173
        “The Eritrean people are, therefore, likely to judge their government not on the enumeration of rights provided in the constitution but on what the government does in practice. It is indeed tempting to argue that one of the main reasons for the success of colonialism was its ability to administer justice in a fairly impartial manner. Hence, in my opinion, the existence of an impartial administration of justice for the creation and maintenance of confidence between the government and the people can hardly be over-emphasised. If there is a determination within the EPLF government to establish an autonomous judiciary as the first and most important basis for the democratization of the society, they would then be advised to consider all possible alternatives. One such alternative is to entrust the management of the Offices of the Chief Justice and Attorney-General to foreign, preferably European, experts. These offices would remain in the hands of foreign experts until such time (ca. 20 years) that the Eritrean government and people are sufficiently socialized to the advantages of the democratic way of running political affairs. This will be more so if the reorganization of the Eritrean society along the concept of democracy as understood in the west forms part of the long term objectives of the EPLF government. It would indeed be unfortunate if such a suggestion is dismissed off-hand as an indictment of the capacity of the present government, or as a blatant proposal against state sovereignty. Inherent to the concept of the separation of powers (between the executive, the legislative and the judiciary) is the limitation of power in the hands of one person as well as the distribution of real, as opposed to nominal, power among several bodies. Given the fact that the EPLF government is essentially a liberation army in power, it could take up to a generation (ca. 25 years) to dissociate the linkage between armed resistance and political power. As in many other sectors of the society, the EPLF government is manned by people with great dedication and determination yet lacking competence. Recruiting foreign experts, not as advisors but as office bearers, is in my opinion a more secure way of dealing firmly with political socialization. I may also add that the argument that the handing over of the judiciary to foreign experts would be tantamount to either a loss of sovereignty or a re-enactment of a new form of colonialism has only a rhetorical value. States unable to feed their citizens are hardly sovereign. A precondition for economic development (where food security is an important outcome) is political stability and accountability of the elite to its citizens. Looked at from this angle, the efforts to establish an impartial judiciary system and tradition is an important precondition. “

        • Paulos

          Selam Desbele,

          In my opinion, it is the single most important piece of work where it should be a mandatory reading for every high school Eritrean student. It is well researched and well argued as well. Don’t mean to brag but read the book twice. Tekeste Negash is one of a kind. God bless.

        • Hashela

          Hi Desbele

          it tells a lot about Tekest when he elevates an apartheid system to a ” fair and impartial” administrative system.

          • Desbele

            Selam Hashela,
            British JUSTICE administration in ERITREA was indeed fair and impartial.

          • Paulos

            Selam Desbele,

            In fact Tekeste Negash persuasively argues that it was the fiercely independent Judicial Branch under the the Chief Justice Sir James Shearer that the Federal arrangement resisted when the Ethiopian government attempted to render it weak early on. Moreover, the Chief Justice fought Imperial Ethiopia tooth and nail when the latter tried time and time again to render it null. Certainly, the Chief Justice is a champion of fairness and equality when utter ignorance confuses him with something else.

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ጳውሎስ ዓርከይ

            Judged by your repeated personal attacks and loss of your temper, I infer that you are currently very frustrated and irritated. I hope you get better. ኩሉ ነገር ሓላፋ’ዩ።

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ሓሸላ,

            እዛ ሓዳሽ ዕርክነትና እዝግሄር ይቐጽለልና!

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ጳውሎስ

            ሓድሽ? ናይ ጥንቲ እምበር። ብቕልዒ ደይተገልጸ ኮይኑ እምበር።

          • Paulos

            ሰላም ሓሸላ,

            Let’s get back to the no-man’s land where you and I are good at–The Objective Sciences!

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ጳውሎስ

            እወ እቲ ማሸላ፣ ቡልቱግ፣ ወዲ-ዓከር ድብሃል ዘረባ ንሕደጎ!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            According to Desbele on the above comment. This is a quote from the book authored by Tekeste Negash – the author you’re admiring.

            “Historian Tekeste in his book ‘The federal experience” suggested ” to entrust the management of the Offices of the Chief Justice and Attorney-General (of Eritrea) to foreign, preferably European, experts.”

            “If there is a determination within the EPLF government to establish an autonomous judiciary as the first and most important basis for the democratization of the society, they would then be advised to consider all possible alternatives……. This will be more so if the reorganization of the Eritrean society along the concept of democracy as understood in the west forms part of the long term objectives of the EPLF government…. It would indeed be unfortunate if such a suggestion (entrusting the management of the Offices of the Chief Justice and Attorney-General of Eritrea) is dismissed off-hand as an indictment of the capacity of the present government, or as a blatant proposal against state sovereignty.

            So Paulos:

            A. – Do you believe the above quote is accurate (from Tekeste Negash’s book)

            B. – Is that the same author that you’re admiring

            Just want to make sure we’re taking about the same thing.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Paulos

            Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

            Short answer: I don’t agree with his recommendation.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Paulos

            Thank you

            Semere Tesfai

          • Hashela

            Hi Desbele

            Are you saying that in the British administered court, cases that involved an Eritrean citizen versus a British citizen or an Eritrean citizen versus an Italian citizen were handled fair and impartial?

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Equal justice for all Eritreans happened only during the Ethiopian administration. Fact!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            It makes no difference whether injustice was committed by black or white colonialists.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            During the white colonizers you were a nobody. During the black colonizers you became the cream of the society and achieved higher.
            I see a little difference between the two.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            yes, it is an irony of history that a high performing society was subjugated by those who prefer to eat raw meat!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Now I understand why you have always been a thorn in the mud. I believe it is due to the thorny fruit you eat. I am talking about the “national fruit “ that you proudly and generously provide for foreign dignitaries.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Nice attempt! I come for a different region!
            Before you attack your adversaries, knowing the local geography is key, ሞቶ ኣለቃ!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            ሞቶ አለቃ!
            That is extremely funny! It takes a special talent to be ሞቶ አለቃ.
            If you wanted to say መቶ አለቃ you are unusually slow. My Title is ራዕሢ!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            this is a product of using language you don’t muster!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            You are getting better!
            Fatal it was! In case you haven’t noticed you have killed me.
            You are bad:)

          • Hashela

            Abi

            At least I can laugh about it 🙂

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I’m still laughing about it. Unintentionally beautiful!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            now you know as to why I need a personal guide when I travel to Ethiopia!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I volunteer if you consume ጥሬ ስጋ.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I will do it if it is well treated

          • Abi

            Of course! Female and young:)
            You don’t need dentures since the meat is soft.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            please! edit!
            I am dying of laugh!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            እየሳቁ መሞት!
            Just edited.

          • Hashela

            ሞቶ ኣለቃ!

          • Abi

            ሁሉም እየሳቀ
            ሞቶ አለቀ!

          • Hashela

            Abi
            how old you are?

          • Abi

            Hashela
            ኮርያ ዘምቻለሁ!

          • Hashela

            Abi
            Now I understand that you are talking about dentures.
            I am in my mid 40s, if that helps

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I brought my Korea experience to Awatenation.
            ዘራፍ!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I trust you on this one!

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Generalization weakens your argument. Here is a piece of history I want you to consider.

            “…The Ethiopian government had the power to appoint Eritreans to the Ethiopian Senate and other offices without having to consult the Eritrean government. The Ethiopian Senate has five Eritreans, all of whom were committed Unionists and from well established political lineages. Haile Mikael, the son of the notorious Ras Woldemikael of Tsazzega, sat in the Senate with the rank of Ras—a title that was refused to the Chief Executive [Tedla Bairu.] Dejach Haile, son of Dejach Tesfamariam Fessehaye, was also in the Senate. These were people who made their careers, with the exception of Ras Woldenkiel, during the Italian period by their skillful manipulation of their allegiance to Italian colonial rule. When the Italians were replaced by the British and later by the Ethiopians, these people were there to smooth the transfer of power….”

            It was taken from Tekeste Negash’s book, “Federal Experience: Eritrea and Ethiopia.”

            You see Abination, not all Eritreans benefited so much so that there are Eritreans who had worked with the King, Dergue and now working with Isaias as well. We call them ለኽባጣት extraorinarae!

          • Abi

            Paul
            This is where you shine!
            Focus on history. Ethnic politics is below your caliber.
            With respect and a little love:)

          • Paulos

            Abination,

            Love you too ma bro. የወያኔ Leutenant ብለህ እስከ ምትሰድበኝ ድረስ!

          • Abi

            Paul
            Ok, you earned a little bit more love:)

          • Desbele

            Selam Hashela,

            The chief justice and the police commissioner (both British) displayed high degree of impartiality in protecting the federal constitution from interference by the legislative and executive body. That i know is fair administration of justice. I dont have information that the system treated Eritreans unequal vis a vis Italians/British. Let me learn if it is otherwise

      • Saleh Johar

        David,
        Please do think you have a novel idea. Your model is called “Neo-colonialism” and it has been at work for a long time. You are just against virtual colonialism, and advocating blood and flesh, physical presents of the master.

        Now, naturally, human beings are a combination of physical and emotional nature. They are equal and one is not less or more important than the other. You cannot use metaphysical judgements on the physical and vice-versa. I do not think it’s right to pass rational judgement on the emotional stuff. If so, what is so rational about someone sacrificing his life of dignity? What’s dignity in rational terms? In short, there are a few things that differentiate humans from inanimate thinks or even animals for our emotions are wired differently. Just a thought.

        Cheers

      • Amde

        Selam David,

        What can I say except to say yes to the call for “figure out how to live in harmony”?

        Colonies are expensive.
        Immigrant labor is cheap and in the grand scheme of things maybe even good for the local economy.

        Why would Italy do that?

        You have tickled my cynical bone. I do believe there are people in the foreign aid business and bureaucracies who don’t care whether the money buys prosperity and economic growth or ends in the hands of corrupt politicians, as long as it ensures the running of a “government” who can control the population and what happens within its territory.

        In that sense, maybe much of the “third world” is living in legal fictions.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Amde,

          Oh my goodness!! I took a couple of days off from my Awate Commenting job, an answer to my wishes and hopes shows up. Glad you are back and doing o.k.
          Wow, who is next, saay, Hayat or T. Kifle?
          I hope T. Kifle is doing well too, he always reminded me of Meles, bold and direct.

          It is really nice to hear from you again. The entire ENTEN discussion and participation goes up every time you are on.

          Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Oh Mr. Kim Hanna

            You are too kind.

            Glad to be back but it also consume more time than I originally intend.

            Thank you

      • mad mullah

        Hi David,
        I never heard of a more denqorocratic idea in my life. There are plenty of countries that removed colonist and have done well for themselves. We end-up getting federated with larger neighbor. To get our independence back a couple of college drops went to mountain for 30 years and came back without education or skill to run a civil and bring the zemen denqorocracy.
        There are countries like Rwanda that survived genocide and doing well. They are building institutions.
        Even unstable Somalia has Somaliland which functions well.
        We don’t need the Italian back they were third rate colonizers by the way.
        Make English one the working language, build strong institutions, and participate in the Global village.
        All we need is the Gedhli generation denqorocrats to be removed from power and start dying…
        We definitely don’t need Pisano back..

        • Kim Hanna

          selam mad mullah,

          Come on mad, David Samson was presenting, a so called, outside the box thinking. You, just like me, is responding with emotions instead of dissecting the idea.
          First we need feasibility study. Why would Italy want it, what is in it for them? Who in Eritrea want it and who doesn’t? Is a secret ballot contemplated? If the majority want it, what do you do?
          Things like that. You know we talk about everything under the sun hear, don’t we?
          Maybe, just maybe, Ethiopia and Djibouti unite and ask France to protect us.

          Mr. K.H

          • mad mullah

            Hi KM,
            I still think it is denqorocratic. Have we given up on ourselves to put on requesting recolonization…
            feasibility study?… I think is leisure we afford in Western comfort…
            I have a lot confidence in the future of Eritrea.. just because one generation screw things up it doesn’t mean it is forever.
            If we have seen Zemen Deqorocracy around the corner there is Zemen Gobezocracy… Just plant the seed for future generation…

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam mad mullah,

            I am with you 100%. Occasionally when you go out side the box stuff happens.
            That is when sharp minds like you defend the inside of the box, bring in reason, logic, human dignity question and “Abesha” qualities to deal with it.

            Mr. K.H

          • Abi

            Mr Kim
            If you bring “Abesha “ qualities into the mix, soon you will start war. War is inevitable:) It follows Abeshas.

          • mad mullah

            Hello Abi,
            That is why the Horn is blessed to have a leader with PhD in Conflict Resolution leading Ethiopia. I don’t believe there has been any country lead by someone with PhD in Conflict Resolution. You can’t ask for more. Hopefully, he gets support and chance to implement his vision.
            Conflict is natural anywhere you have human beings… the main question is how do you resolve it. You can butcher each other in Badme and lose about 100k people or you can have no-peace and no-war for 20 years in stalemate.
            An expert on Conflict Resolution… can get pass the zero-sum game and create a win-win situation.
            Some of his early and quick moves in his first year was a MasterClass in Conflict Resolution.
            His success in Ethiopia and Horn Country will set the foundation not only for next generation of Ethiopian but Eritrean and Somalis…

          • Ismail Ahmad

            Selam mad mullah,

            You talked about Dr. Abij’s vision. Can you enlighten us on what it is? I hope it’s something beyond the PR slogan “medemer”, which up to this time, showed no result save opening the gates wide, and assembling mutully negating contradictions in a fragile political and social space that produced the sad events Ethiopia has been enduring.

        • David Samson

          Hi MM,

          “I never heard of a more denqorocratic idea in my life”.
          Here we go then!
          Blame my fifth grade Italian’s Scola.

      • Aligaz G

        David,
        Dont forget Asmera was only built up by the italians starting from around 1931 once they decided to invade Ethiopia. And there were not many Eritreans in good employment positions under the italian other than joining the military. Now historically your idea is not so strange as there are many examples of groups of settlers being invited to come in and develop the land. Of course if development is your only criteria then Eritrea’s real golden age would be 1960 – 1970 under HSI based on real gains by the populace. And there are also several cases of territories refusing independence but your notion of voluntary recolonization has many negative national and societal implications which you seem to ignore in your quest for development.

        • David Samson

          Selam Aligaz,

          I refused to respond to insults and provocations, but since you have made constructive arguments, I make an exception and will engage you.

          As often said, there are two sides to a coin. I disagree with the statement “Asmera was only built up by the Italians starting from around 1931 once they decided to invade Ethiopia”.

          Italians took over 20-years to built the road between Massawa and Asmera. There are two waves of Italian migrants: The first batch were mainly poor Southerners. They intended to settle down in Eritrea. The second wave was mainly Industrialist from the North. They were persuaded by Mussolini to make a life for themselves. Historian differs on the intentions of the Italians. I am on the side who believe that the Italian expansionist idea got stronger only after Mussolini came to power. He wanted the big prize—Abyssinia and then to the other part of East-Africa.

          I also disagree with the statement

          “Of course if development is your only criteria then Eritrea’s real golden age would be 1960 – 1970 under HIS”

          I do not want to engage if HIS had any business in Eritrea, but suffice to say, I always give him the highest credit for a leader for not his knee-jerk reactions. He did not take any revenge against the remaining Italians; he let them keep their businesses and live as they always have.

          I agree that there many negative consequences of colonisation, both at the emotional and national level. Many people on this forum and outside do not want to consider the other hidden emotional impact of being an immigrant.

          How many Ethio-Eri do you know who have been outside their country have returned to their homeland? Not many. If you then ask them why and if when they are going back. The usual answer is one day, but when?When our coffin is finally got a boarding pass.

          We all pretend that one day we will return to our homeland, but deep down we are not going soon, in fact, the majority of us will never. If you leave your homeland you are as good as dead.
          Mo had an Amharic song to the effect. What is the emotional impact of living and dying outside your home country? It is terrible. You children will lose their identities and no longer Ethio-Eri. In effect, you lost your history.

          What I am proposing is that despite all the negative impacts and consequences of colonisation, we do not have to leave out homeland to chase for jobs and a better life in a foreign
          land. Our blood and history will be secured. I am pretty sure you have been following how things are unfolding in Lebanon. The country is virtually bankrupt. The unintended victims are mainly immigrants. It was harrowing to see all those Ethiopian girls
          thrown-way by some Arabs and stranded in no-man land. To me, this is the worst kind of emotional damage, both to the nation and the individual.

          I know many people think Africa will be China. When? When the sun comes down to earth. All I say is good luck. We need to think outside the box and should ponder the unthinkable

          • Aligaz G

            David,

            I lived in the US almost 30 yrs and went back to Ethiopia so it is possible. Do I regret it some days like when kids recently decided to throw rocks at my car? Yes but most days I’m ok. Probably harder for you with Isu but he’s close to eighty so chill. Now the older generations summed up the Italian occupation like this : if the Italians stayed another 10 yrs the country would have really developed but there would have been no Ethiopians left. Understand our experience with those guys was mustard gas and 30,000 civilians massacred in 2 days so no going back there for us. Bottomline don’t give up on yourself and never idolize white people. And put the chip back on your shoulder because the Horn will sooner or later get its act together. Which incidentally is why they will always give us plenty of rope. So cheers

          • David Samson

            Selam Aligaz,

            You have got the moral high ground to argue against my points. I have got it. You are one of the few exceptions.

            Recently, I met an Ethio old friend whom I have not seen him for years. After the usual Habesha’s (not kissing due to Cov-19) greeting, I asked him where has he been all these years. Ethiopia was his response.

            The story goes like: He gave up his career in London to pursue a business interest in Ethiopia. I did not question him, but he told me he built a business worth 7-8m Ethio’s Birr. He lost his business and now doing manual jobs in London. He is now back in London
            for good, vowed never to return.

            I know many of my friends who went to Juba to do business. They tried to persuade me to follow their footsteps. I said no. I would rather live a static life in London. Guess? They are now
            back in London with an empty hand; they lost all investments and career.

            So my cynical mind is on now: You hold an American passport. God forbid, if some serious violence flares up, all I have to do is buy a ticket and back to the land of opportunity. You can call me a white man worshiper. We all are, some directly, and some indirectly , I am being honest and realist.

          • Aligaz G

            David,
            Starting a business in Ethiopia usually means dealing with the following:
            1. A High entry barrier
            2. Capital intensive
            3. Difficulty in accessing credit
            4. High risk
            5. Ridiculous bureaucratic barriers
            6. Low employee productivity
            So most new business tend to fail before they even penetrate the marketplace. Which is why you never hear about Europeans and Americans investing (unless they are from here originally) because of the risks involved. In my experience the habesha dream is the good old corporate 9-5 in preferably engineering or medicine which means people are not wired to handle risk anyway. Throw in the occasional political turbulence (aka revolution) and permanent currency shortage and it can all easily turn into a real hairy ride. But then on the plus side it’s completely a seller’s market which can cover a lot of sins very quickly if you are johnny on the spot. It’s a huge step and don’t do it if you’ve already got a decent job where ever you are because of the risks involved.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam gash Amde,

      Now that the euphoria of home coming should have abated, allow me to throw a few comments in the aftermath, if I may use this term, of reading your quite enlightening input which some of us in this forum awaited from sober and serious participants from Ethiopia. The general assessment you have provided substantially contribute to my understanding of important developments. I surmise several like me do have the same feeling.

      To begin with, one should express profound sorrow about the loss of lives and damage to property many innocent citizens have incurred due to the troubles that took place in many parts of your country. What I read in the entry of our good brother, admassie, is heart breaking. Citizens who had lived side by side in peace for decades should not have endured such horrible ordeals.

      Violence is an outcome of accumulated anger that awaits opportune time to explode and destroy uninvolved and innocent lives. I think this is the danger closed and suffocating systems of governance bequeath to generations. Wrong doings and injustices perpetrated by those in power, functionaries and opportunistic beneficiaries remain as household fire-side stories that get transmitted from the old to the young and from generation to generation to endure as concealed grudges and anger that await time to get released. Observers like myself get worried when some allegedly had raised slogans relating to “neftegnas”.

      Dear Amde, you might still recall the discussions that took place in this forum at the time civil resentments which flaws in the current system of federation, augmented by unwelcome policies the EPRDF coalition government inconsiderately had executed. It was clear the TPLF dominated system had over stayed, and that only serious overhauling of the system toward fairly accommodative democratisation process would stir the country along the path of peaceful transition. The worst thing that happened was that the government demonstrated tremendous shortsightedness and arrogance not to take timely note of the symptoms like the Addis Ababa masterplan had generated, and the repressive measures that led to escalation to the point of real crisis that compelled the sitting Prime Minister to resign without proper and reasonable polico-organisational process.

      That situation led to disharmony at the center of power, and the only way open was to look for a compromise candidate with centerist-devolutionist tendencies (etiopiawinet-bHer bHeresebawinet). Dr. Abij Ahmed seemed to pose as a perfect candidate who could carry the various contenders and each according to what ambition dictated.

      However, it turned out that Abij proved not that much malleable person as expected from a compromise candidate. He started to mix up things with crude and politically and ideologically unbaked slogan (medemer) that invited the evil and good on the same footing. He opened the gates on all directions. Only Colonel Mengistu Hailemariam did not benefit from the offer. Everybody came home, including the tormentor of the Eritrean people who matured to first line adviser.

      In my view, thus, what the excellent analysis you have provide have put in context for us is the unrest that the country is currently witnessing have been operating in the context of the situation I tried to expound. Of course, the situation has been getting compounded by other unexpected exigencies like the pandemic.

      Anyway, we pray, and Ethiopians should, way out would be found. One thing that is known is that the classic method of imposing calm through use of state tool or organs of control would not provide enduring peace. Perhaps, the elites would get awaken and realize the situation demands conviction that neither restoration to tight centralization, nor unovehauled identity based federalism without accommodative democratisation would work to harmonize the Ethiopian condition.

      • Amde

        Selam Gash Ismail,

        Thank you so much for taking the time to read my piece and write your thoughts.

        It is a mystery to me how Abiy emerged out of EPRDF. I still like him. I like much of his vision. EPRDF voted for him not once, not twice but three times. We all tend to hear what we would like, but I have always thought his rhetoric was clearly out of step of what we were used to from what I would call EPRDF-Classic.

        I personally was finally convinced the change was real with the dissolution of the front and the proclamation of PP. However cringey the Properity name and concept was, I had thought much of the communal violence in the country was driven by intra-EPRDF power competition. So to my mind – the EPRDF itself was an engine of instability which deserved to be shut down. I guess the jury is still out on how effective that has been. It is evident that there are scores of old EPRDF cadres who don’t understand what he is doing and view him as a threat to their positions. He is bringing in fresh people as fast as he can so he can dilute the culture, but I guess we will see how well that works out.

        I do think they Abiy and Team Lemma should have been more careful of the who they let in and even more – how they were integrated in the existing government. The OLF claims they were allowed to bring in their guns and now a good chick of Wellega is ungovernable. Much of Oromiya policy also integrated OLF ex–fighters, resulting in a law enforcement apparatus of dubious allegiance. On the other hand, the Somali region has been exemplary in its peace even after the ONLF was literally flown in on an Ethiopian Airlines flight from Asmara straight into Jigjiga. This is just one more example to show that if we were to look at the 80-20 rule on what currently ails Ethiopia, it is primarily the lack of Oromo elite consensus on Ethiopia and their role within the country. It will get a resolution sooner than later, but the process will mean a lot of shift in personnel within the ruling structure.

        I do think the trend is for effective power devolution into a blend of geographic/ethnic units, and more power at the center through a centralizing ruling party and federal bureaucracy. Who knows when these will be formally apparent as opposed to the virtual ones I think I see?

        I am very optimistic though.

        Amde

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Amde,

      Good to hear from you. I think you have been doing great job on advising the PM on GERD and congratulations:).

      I don’t really have much to say in what you wrote but I want to focus on your last paragraph.

      I personally think that the region needs an Addis of the north, a massive economic engine that can integrate the economies of today's Amara, Tigray and Eritrea. We desperately need to get out of the zero-sum game our elites are engaged in.

      I think economic integration is a good idea and I feel like you are coming to sell the idea, on behalf of Isaias Afeworki. Please read the saay article on eritreadigest dot com titled “Eritrea-Ethiopia: Still A Peace Agreement Without Peace Dividend”.

      Please look at the video in third video, Isayas talking to himself. He is listing all the failures Eritrea under his regime and he seems to have given up about Eritrea viability as a nation. And he is soon to sell it to us, the economic integration that you are advocating.

      Berhe

      • Paulos

        Selam Berhino,

        The talk between Isaias and Abiy is way past economic integration where it is whether Asmara or Addis will be the capital city of the reborn Ethiopia. ደቂስና’ለና በርሀ ሓወይ ደቂስና’ለና!

        • Consolation

          dotore

          Wake up, my friend, your weyane friends are on their way to the cemetery.

          • Sultan

            Consolation:
            It has been 2 yrs now since that slogan was initiated through the infamous declaration of “Game Over” mantra.
            The same weyAne turned Ethiopia into a burning furnace and chaos, man, just with a remote control!
            Am not sure they will be buried soon.
            The Tigray State is United stronger than ever thru same WeyAne with 500,000 strong militia and ample hardware including armed with medium range missiles.

        • Abi

          Paul
          What you are saying is not news.
          The King wanted Asmara to be the industry capital, Addis a political capital.

      • Sultan

        Selam Berhe:
        You might be correct about the unknown and based on IA’s apparent “deliberate self-confession about/of his own “deliberate failure “(A set up failure )!
        “ Where is Aseb now? Where is Massawa ,that used to be the Jewel of the Red Sea”?
        “ We failed in the infrastructure of Education, Health …..Energy and Water Resources….”!
        No clue what he was trying to say exactly beyond expressing the facts on the ground as they are and trying to blame others ( CIA, TPLF and their sanctions sabotages, which is a real and true though)!
        I don’t believe ,either way,that the infrastructure of the Economy in general and that of the Private Sector, Fishing and Tourism Industures in particular and that of the Marine resources in general,the Military,Education, Health, the Eritrean Family System and its Values and specially the future of Eritrea, the Eritrean Youth have been destroyed irrespective of the main culprit might be.
        If you read Dr Andeberhan’s book titled “ Eritrea @ Cross Roads , What Went Wrong?”, it would give enough hint what this Dude has been up to .
        Prof Dr SAAY’s brilliant pictorial and graphic EVIDENCE-Based super analysis of the IA’s Eritrea and its current affairs is but more than enough for Eritreans from all walks of life to jump in and get together and take a SWIFT ACTION!
        The official and direct interference of PIA
        into the Ethiopian business to dismantle the Federal System thereby crush the Oromo Revolution is very telling.
        The recent shyly has about the ENDF( Ethiopian Army secretly sneaking into our Red Sea shores and to Ashera and Central Front in the name of Security, Intelligence Defense Agreement is but grossly evident to make us to be suspicious!

        We have HOPED the YeAkil Movement is /or was the time-set BOMB to lead the lead along with joint-sponsorship of the United Justice Seekers and a newly set up Joint Leadership Committee of the old new Eri Opp Groups!

        But as u see the Devil seems to be in the details( both the TPLF and the PFDJ infiltrated it)!
        But we still have some time left to intervene despite it is too late.
        As I responded to Semere Tesfai by making a U-turn and admittedly flip-flopping and quoting SAAY’s convincing arguments,I still hold this legit FEAR and Concern .

        The Gen Mesfin-led Eri Opp for sure know way better than SAAY,me and you about this dangerous conspiracy.
        I think I repeatedly and personally shared this with you here before about our Dude’s 50 yrs prob agenda and conspiracy against Eritrea and Eritreans including his divorce with the ELF despite the ELF promoted and Honored him, his creation of the Secrete EPLF party, the EPRP , his underground death squad against innocent Eritrean Fighters and genius both in thecELF and EPLF fronts and until now , his obstructionist agenda abd stand against the ELF-EPLF Simur Ghinbar followed by a deadly and successful decimation of the largest liberation org….
        This is not to mention the effective elimination of the ELF Leadership members in the Sudan and Ethiopia followed by the deadly and successful elimination of the ENTURE EPLF FOUNDERS and EPLF Central Committee Members after dismantling the EPLF Intelligence on a day light followed by trashing the 1994 EPLF CHARTER.
        Then comes the killing of the 1997 Ratified Eri Constitution using the Baduma War as an effective excuse .
        How he handled the Baduma war and the aftermath of the war including the mishandling if the UNMEE speaks volumes.

        Dr Andebirhan extensively clarified this issue where he boldly claimed that the Dude was literally setting up Eritrea for sanctions .
        But it is unfair to blame him alone though knowing the whole truth facts as to how our enemies used this ample opportunity to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans.

        The CIA and the retired US Generals and the amateur US Diplomats , the M16, the EU and the Mossad fully were involved through their mercenary TPLF to destroy Eritra and Eritreans .
        The role of the UNMEE, the UNHCR, the fake sanctions , the sabotages of kinda , the containment, the isolation and the No Ear and No peace policies besides the pull factors set up by the EU , Canada and the USA, Israel for literally opening the doors for asylum for every one claiming Eritreans are but few of the pull factors, which aggravated our mess we have been in.
        At times I feel like both our internal and external enemies have conspired against Eritrea-and Eritreans.

        I deliberately tried to sound flip-flopping for an obvious reason…. so as to put up the truth and facts as they are from both ends.
        Some Eritreans argues in favor of PIA for keeping Eritrea intact to this min despite the max effort by our external enemies to destroy Eritrea based on few facts I tried to mention.

        If PIA’s sole agenda was to dismantle Eritrea, then why did not he join the obvious dismantlers , who did their best to destroy Eritrea and Eritreans when he could have achieved that destruction easily if that was his agenda?”,a friend argued!

        Am one of those partially “ confused” Eritreans considering the above unambiguous facts!
        Some said” he wanted to do it his own way” so as to achieve his ambitious dream of ruling Ethiopian and the Horn!

        Either way, we Eritreans have to prepare for any and the worst eventuality!
        Just my naive opinion.

        Writing articles and bluffing sitting behind computers ain’t going to solve our problems and mess.

        We need to clean our own yard, forget and forgive and get reconciled by putting aside our differences , personal interests old grudges and obsolete /rotten Eritrean political culture!

    • Selamat Amde,

      Sire! Good to see you and thank you for increasing my understanding of the body politic of our region. I had the sneaky suspicion that a few years ago, yourself and the Admiral SaaY7 were the brokers of some electric power transfer from Ethiopia to Eritrea through the Sudan breaking the decade and a half stalemate of the no war no peace which eventually lead the the Abiy Ahmed – Isaias Eritrean Ethiopian Rapprochement. It is possible the then PM Desalegne Hailemariam taped you Sire to utilize your expertise and statesmanship to initiate the approach towards Eritrea by perhaps recruiting very capable Eritrean minds for the effort and chart a map that would bring the two nations closer to one another. You then did your due diligence field work here at Awate U, grew friendly and in sink with the Admiral SaaY7 and commenced the negotiations with Isaias’ regime. At the time, the Admiral was going through a personal tragedy and I am going to go out on a limb to say that he may have traveled to Eritrea and tend to his late father Aboy Younis without repercussions from the regime probably due to the win-win hydroelectric power deal between Eritrea and Ethiopia he was putting together alongside you. Immediately following those events the Admiral’s pen criticisms faded or nearly became silent for a significant period of time which could have been a condition put on him until his consciousness could no longer take being silent and then he reemerged with his EritreaDigest. All this is a theory of course based on reading a lot between the lines as well as yours and the Admiral’s for that matter departure from this site to tend to more pertinent nation building or national healing projects in the private or public sector perhaps. There was extraordinary diplomatic artistry exhibited by folks like you Sire, the Admiral, FantiGhana, Ayyatat ISamailAA, AmanuelH and to a certain degree MaHmudSaleh(He may have had the Admiral’s back for travel to Eritrea) for a select team to be commissioned to approach, reason and soften the rigid DIA regime and as I theorized above lead to the rapprochement with PMAAA’s unconditional acceptance of the EEBC’s border ruling. A continuation of PM Desalegn H and your’s and the Admiral’s ground breaking project. For sure I cannot substantiate these claims, but I am going to thank you Sire, the Admiral SaaY, FantiGhana and perhaps a few others here who undertook the clandestine mission that afforded us the Eritrean and Ethiopian peoples the peace dividend that will hopefully only grow stronger.

      And so I am not surprised to see you back to your old stomping grounds and sowing the seeds of a potentially similar project or bigger to further build new peace bridges, reinforce and solidify the peace you have played a major role in brokering a few years back.

      “I personally think that the region needs an Addis of the north, a massive economic engine that can integrate the economies of today’s Amara, Tigray and Eritrea.”

      You are requesting for the forum to look beyond post Isaias Eritrea and possibly post TPLF Tigray and commence conversations identifying and innovating industry sector for “a massive economic engine that can integrate the Amara, Tigray, and Eritrea. And I sincerely hope that the very high caliber of aware forum contributors do pick up on the importance of your forward vision well thought out future forecast of a healthy economy beneficial to all the people which guarantees the lasting peace all the parties so much desire.

      The former ought not to be solely focused or be possessed with visions of the destructions of their chosen adversaries and the rise of their preferred parties, though I know it such obsessions can not be totally eliminated. It is however very beneficial to envision an economic boom and prosperity and peace, fair trade, and a cultural diffusion explosion growth, academia, research and engineering will replace by eradicating all the negative tensions of the past and today are eradicated. The innovators, entrepreneurs, industrial engineers would create such “massive economic integration of the region” with the standards that match or surpass that of the developed world.

      I believe there are brilliant minds in this Awate Forum of both countries that can identify and produce amazing economic road maps for northern Ethiopia and Eritrea. If each of the frequent contributors take it as home work and due in-depth research of the economic potential of the regions Sire Amde Mentioned and present serious papers for discussion and analysis in the Awate Forum, financiers and entrepreneurs are encouraged, feasibility studies are conducted then actions can even possibly commence under the existing circumstances and laws. The more Tigray/Eritrea/Amara interdependent economic activity is set a foot by private industrious citizens, economists, and future industry giants, the more the politicians will be steered as opposed to imposing their political egos on the populous.

      I implore the capable minds of the forum, each and every one of you to research and identify the economic sectors of the region that can be mutually exploited. For example Ayya Amanuel Hidrat’s affinity to the late PM Meles Zenawi’s engineering of the Ethiopian economic development of the past three decades can now provide the forum a northern Ethiopia and Eritrea economic development plan based on the numerous factors and conditions he has been meticulously studying for his Eritrea with interdependence of Tigray and Amhara. Semere Andom iSEM I am quite sure could present bright integrated economic outlooks for the region as could numerous others like Paul, the Muhandis, Horizon, Hashela, Brhan, KokhobSelam, Ayya IsmailAA, Nitric, Mulah, SultanMG, Semere Tesfay etc.

      The project or the condition is not necessarily post Isaias or post Weyan. Rather it is post the ideal peaceful cooperations between the regional and federal governments, envisioning no hinderance to innovators and builders and trade amongst the regions, what economic secretors and industries can the Awate Forum identify, study, implement and encourage the mindset of the the people to redirect their thoughts by recognizing it to be a most effective tool to deter war and destruction for the people.

      In all honesty, I am truly an American thru and the. four fifth of my half of a century on this earth has been in America. And to be very honest, I believe all my East African identities or bias in favor of on “social group” over another or in favor of Eritrea over Ethiopia is no longer with me. I truly can not say that I favor an Eritrean over an Ethiopian at this stage of my life. What would be the reason for me favoring an Eriterean, Saho, Bilen, a Tigrean, an Amara, Oromo — one over the other. When I immigrated to the USA I was an Ethiopian and later I was an Eritrean and finally an American. It is the character of the person or the people, and I love all the cultures and characters — Awatista GaSH Abiy above all — and characteristics of the Eritreans and Ethiopians. I learn a lot from all the highly educated and cultured contributors in this forum. I am also highly entertained. As well as I imagine what my characteristics or personality would have turned out to be had I too like many of the forum contributors were to be brought up by a typical working class or farming Eritrean/Ethiopian family. Would I have developed the polished good habits of the forum contributors and communicated as well as they. The point is I can give a flying rats behind who triumphs over the other. All are my people. I am Eritrean and I am Ethiopian and I am American. I am surprised that all awatistas still identify themselves as Eritrean/Tigrean/Amara/Oromo etc… really??? Does it really matter? So we went to war. My father was in the mountains for decades and I only got to enjoy his company for only three weeks when he took leave from the EPLA to tend to me who he heard was all alone in the neighboring country. Yes I was brainwashed to see the Amara as the enemy and sang silly threatening songs to the donkey the Amara was. The Amara may very well still be an Adgi. But it is an Adgi that is my people my fellow country man. An Adgi that may carry us the whole region very very with the Amara mind and muscle. All Awatistas should see a little shame in themselves to still have such silly identification of nationalism or “social grouping”. Both the Eritrean and Ethiopian minds here dialogue harmoniously and rationally. They identify a problem and all contribute their personal opinions and rational for the resolution of the problem. All the anecdotes such as from Gash Abiy for example is the icing on the cakes you all so laboriously bake for months.

      The point is this: In the end it is about the haves and have nots. It is economic prosperity followed by cultural maturity and growth. It is the economies of the people STUPIDS. So please envision Eritrea, Tigray and Amara regions say three or five years from now. What is your visions of industry and labor and trade for the people of the region. Envision a peaceful triad region with culture and intellect thriving. Take a break from the war games analysis of late and envision the peaceful region and its economies and infrastructure where the cultures could further melt into the pot. the Tigrigna of Eritrea, Tigray and the Amara are not that far a part to begin with and of course Tigrait and Saho and all the other nationalities of both Eritrea and Ethiopia have more in common than differences. Even our wars have brought us much more closer to one another as one society.

      The Sire Amde is not one to spend an hour or two or ten thousand hours in idle past time. He is of the nobility class, ShoA I believe, and thus far from my study of the gentleman, he has tirelessly put forth his expertise for the betterment of the Eritrean and Ethiopian Peoples. If we did deep, we are bound to find the hands of the Sire Amde and the Admiral SaaY as the unsung architects of the Eritrean Ethiopian Rapprochement of the past few years. Abiy and Isaias take the glory for making peace but it is diplomats like the the Sire, Fanti the wiseness Hippo, and the Admiral SaaY that set and steer the intra national dialogues and design and implement the solutions by dumping it down to to the PMs and Dictators.

      And it is very possible the Sire Amde is commissioned yet again, perhaps by Ethiopias parliament or the PM to mobilize yet another very capable team of engineers to build a triboro bridges between Eritrea, Tigray and Ethiopia.

      I am not much skilled on research or economics, but I accept the Sire Amde’s timely and imperative seeds for hope and prosperity and I implore the vert capable minds in the Awate Forum to give it a more serious and high priority thought. Only when you start envisioning the end result will you increase your efforts exponentially towards its realization.

      The zero sum game visions and depressions is already evident in the lack luster vitality of intellectual engagements for such a high caliber intellectuals and cultured Eritreans and Ethiopians AND GASH ABIY MY AMARA ADGI BIG BROTHER IS HIGHEST.

      Two quick notes.

      The first is a personal story in Hilet Sudan, Teseseney, Barka, Eritrea. The four mud and straw huts compound across the shariE (street) from our four mud and straw huts compound at about the age of 5 years old I was beaconed by the lady of the house to fetch her lentils form Dr. Hailesillasie the MD’s corner grocery store. And as I probably knew I would get a reward upon completion of the errand I obliged my nice neighbor next door who also lived in the hut. When I returned she handed me a saltine cracker which we call back then Bushkoti Torserawit, or I quickly found out the same day. Rather than eat the dam cracker or share with my brother, and yes he wanted a share of the rare treat, I simply teased him with it. He took matters to his own hand and broke him a piece the cookie. I cried all day until my mother returned from her job at the Bank adjacent to the big Shell gas station. She first consoled me and then inquired to learn more of the WugiE HidHid my brother and I were going through. When she learned that the Bushkoti TorSorawit came from the Amara Torsorawit’s wife and that I had crossed the shariE and entered the home, I got a whopping that to this day I feel was an unjust dispensation of maternal justice. However it was right about then that I began the conditioning to hate the Amara and the Torserawit as I learned my father was amongst those rebels/shifta beyond the hills where Teseney’s hospital and donkey back jerboa water pumping stations were perched. Yeah, Abti rubaa rubba tsegiEi gobo, Amharay Adgi tezirekhbo, kelashiney geire kehimbibo…. went the song….. If you ask me now I will emphatically tell y0ou that the Amara is kin folk. My brother and future partner for growth and prosperity. And given my American upbringing and the Amara’s close relation with meet, I would start a chain of Barbecue chain restaurants and barbecue pits to be my of the cuff economic out look. Gash Abi would be a senior partner and the name of the barbecue joint chain restaurants would not be Arbeys. It would be Abi’s ‘na TegenTTay BBQ. What do you think Gash Abi? You could twist my arm or maybe give me a Bushkoti TorSorawit and I can agree to this name: Abi’s Yenie Asseb BBQ. And we will hire Brhan to be our first CEO.

      On a serious note in a minute. Considering there will be a rather very large lake due to the GERD, a water rides tourist attraction next to Abi’s TegenTTawoch BBQ with a hefty collection of water skies jets and motor boats could prove to be additional profitable business on the GERD. Yes, I agree with Sire Amde and I do finally get the genius of Meles, the lake should be called Lake Prosperity Meles. You see, the Prosperity party gets a piece of the action, Meles I think pertains the return of. The return of prosperity lake: Lake Prosperity Meles or Prosperity Meles Lake. Lots of jet skies. And the immediate commencement of training there Olympic Team for rowing.

      As for Eritrea, I ain’t no dummy and Isaias and his advisors are far from being dummy. Here is the thing, I have never been, but if one was to walk the shores of Massawa or the Erittean side Red Sea Shore line and then cross the see on a boat or a jet skies my Abi’s ‘na TegenTTawoch BBQ chain senior partner carried from the Lake Prosperity Meles on his Ahhya back to the Arabian peninsula, there would not be much difference of the shorelines or the topography on both sides of the shores. It is also peculiar that the Isaias regime does not seem to mind the exodus of the Eritrean people away from their lands to be settler colonies elsewhere and only be attached with the land as vacationers. This has been consistent since independence. They have a hostile regime towards civil liberties and religious freedom in Eritrea since the inception of the nation to make it a lot easier for Eritreans to be granted political asylum in the western nations. The wars to further deplete the population. The proclamation the land is owned by the state. The significant lack of building constructions or even buildings maintenance. Is the picture forming or getting clearer. Okay the significant input from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and other GCC Amirs in bringing closer PM Abiy and Dictator Isaias. Of course, now that the Bisha Gold is only trickling in, the entire state of Eritrea has been depleted of it’s population and nearly zero building or housing construction, because nearly all the land will be oozing with crude oil. That is the reason why there is no emergency in human development, higher education or industries other fhan the canned tomato and banana factory in Barka. Very low density population with an oil sultanate of King IA the first and Amir Abraham Ibn Isaias Ibn Afeworqi Ibn HailiASillASIE Teferi Mekonen who desires only the Eritrean lands oil fields and NOT the Eritrean People. You see no visible surface activity in Eritrea whatsoever. Yeah, If you believe Isaias fought for mine and your freedoms then I would like to sell you a very nice bridge in Brooklyn. Why do you suppose these very few individuals are so lax in alleviating or bettering the standard of living of their people and are practically given nearly all Eritrean citizens a bon voyage party. The plan to be a very few oil fat cat powerful generals, with a lean mean fighting well fed defense force, with investor Arab partners from the KSA and the GCC who have already established a military base on the coast and are at peace with their Ethiopian regime trading partner. So before I can think of massive economic integration of Eritrea, Tigray and Amara regions, for the sake of fairness, justice anti lying greedy anti revolutionaries, those lording over Eritrea now, I will have to bet on and wish for the successor the resurgent General Mesfun Hagos to chase those crazy bump heads out of town. Heck then I hope for the General Mesfun Hagos who hails from Karneshim, I think we are related like he is an uncles – His sister Memhir MeAza we frequented home visitation paricularly on Sundays when we walked all the way from Hilet Sudan to Hilet Habesh at Medhanie Alem- but I digress. Well I hope after chasing those crazy bald heads out of town, the General Mesfun Hagos would abolish fossil fuels and opt for clean energy like solar, wind and sea wave. Then our Gash Abi’s ‘na TegnTTowCH BBQ chain restaurants across Eritrea an all of Ethiopia will buy all of the General’s Karneshim Dinish as we will need it for our meat and potato entrees. Our CEO Brhan who sees no malice intent in the lovable Gash Abi towards Eritrea or Eritreans is on the design faiz of the entree and a possible vodka distilery due to all the liberated Karneshim Dinish.

      Well folks I expect a more focused and submissions for the great project proposed by Sire Amde. I only want to get these following two points most of all:

      1) Gash Abi loves all Eritreans as much as he loves all Ethiopians or Russiana or Americans and I will gladly prove it with sound arguments henceforth. And why shouldn’t we Eritreans let him have Asseb? Why wouldn’t any Amara or Tigray or Oromo in his or her right mind want Asseb back? Haven’t the Eritreans taken back Addis Abeba? Folks the spirit for a massive economic integration is strongly based on fair train. I mean Eritreans lost Addis for three huts in Badime. Not A fare trade at all. In retrospect however, the trade was really Asseb for Addis Abeba. Far more economic advantages in Addis Abbeba than Asseb. So, We Eritreans will gladly return to Gash Abi’s ‘na TegenTTowoch Asseb BBQ and will let the Oromos know right away Addis Abeba or Finfine belongs to Eritreans as it does to enante Galawoch ‘na ahyaWOCH AmARA. Capiche? Now you are all invited to the grand opening of Gash Abi’s ‘na TegenTowowch Asseb BBQ with our gracious host CEO Brian. YE WENDIMOCH, YE HAGER SEWOCH, B DEM YETETEKELE, YE HABAR SIGA!

      Welcome to Gash Abi’s ‘na TegenTTAi Gundan BBQ joint! Gored Gored, ZiHla

      MitMiTTA

      GitSAtSE

  • Sultan M.G.

    Hello All:
    Just for the sake of debate,here is the Excerpts of Ato Getachew Redda’s Interview with Ms Selam Kidane of Assenna.com:
    Provided that the Mod allows it.
    If I violated any,I take t back with a sincere apologies to the Mod(Note:I said excerpts).

    “ፅብፃብ እንተዝህሉ ነይሩ፣ መንእሰይ ኤርትራ ኣብ ፍፁም ባርነት ዘእተወ ነዚ ኹሉ ሓዊ ዘሳወረ መን እዩ? እንተዝብሃል ምተረኣየ ነይሩ፤ ብሓቂ ባድመ ምኽንያት ድያ ነይራ ? ሓላፍነት ዝወስድ እንተዝህሉ ሎሚ እውን ሓላፍነት ዝወስድ ምሃለወ ነይሩ።

    👉 ብወገነይ ኣብ መንጎ ኢትዮጵያን ኤርትራን ሰላም ተፈጢሩ እዩ ዝብል እምነት የብለይን።

    👉 ኢሳያስን ኣብይን ኣብ ጉዳይ ስላም ዝተስማዕምዕዎ የማነ (ማንኪ) ይፈልጥ ዶ ኣይፈልጥን? እንድዒ! ግና ወርቅነህ ገበዮህ ሓንቲ ከምዘይፈልጥ ይፈልጥ እየ።

    👉 እቲ ሰምምዕነት ኣብ ሕብረት ኣፍሪካ ይኹን ኣብ ኢጋድ ኣይገብርዎን፤ እቲ ኣኼባ ጅዳ እዮም ከይዶም ተፈራሪመምዎ ። ንህዝቦም ክብሪ እንተዝህልዎም ፈለማ ካብ ልቢ ህዝቦም ክራኸቡ ምገበሩ ነይሮም።

    👉 እዚ እውን ኮይኑ እቲ መጀመሪያ ኣብ ዛላምበሳ ዝነበረ ኩነታት ዝገርም እዩ ነይሩ። ሽዑ ዝነበረ ማዕበል ማንም ደው ከብሎ ኣይከኣለን። ኢሳይያስ ዝተቐመጠላ ዳስ ዝኹሉ ወተሃደር ኤርትራ ንዐዖም እናገደፈ እዩ ድብልቕልቕ ኢሉ። ሽዑ እቲ ስምዒት ኣፍሪሕዎም እንደገና ዓፅዮሞ። ምኽንያቱ ምፅብፃብ ክጅመር እዩ፤ እንታይ ስለዝኾና ኢና ባድመስ ናይ ብሓቂ እንታይ ስለዝኾነት እያ ናብዚ ኹነታት ኣቲና ዝብል ሕቶ ክቐርብ እዩ።

    👉 እቲ ናይ ኢሳያስን አብይን ረኽቢ ቅድሚ ክልተ ዓመት እንትጅመር ኢሳያስ ኣብ ሳዋ ካድረታት ኣኪቡ ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ተፈጢሩ ዘሎ፣ ወያነ ዝፈጠሮ ናይ ፈዴራሊዝም ፖለቲካ ሙሉእ ፖለቲካዊ ሕፅቦ እንገብረሉ ኣጋጣሚ ተፈጢሩና ኣሎ እዩ፤ ኢሉ።

    👉 ኢሳይያስ ብዛዕባ ኤርትራ ኣይተጨነቐን፤ ኤርትራውያን ከመይ ኢሎም ናብ ዓዶም ይምለሱ? ዝብል ሕቶ ኣየቕረበን። ኣጀንድኡ ፖለቲካዊ ሕፅቦ ኢትዮጵያ ምስራሕ እዩ። ሌጋሲ መለስ እዩ ዝብሎ ፈዴራሊስት ኣተሓሳስባ ካብ ኢትዮጵያ ክፅረግ ምስራሕ እዩ። ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ካብታ ሰላም እንታይ ይኸስብ? ዝብል ኣይነበረን። ሕልመይን ባህገይን ኣብዚ ኸባቢ ገባሪ ሓዳጊ፣ ጎብለልን ፎርኦንን ናይ ምዃን ድልየት ተሳኺዑለይ ዝብል እዩ ነይሩ።

    👉 ስለዚ እዚ “ተፈጢሩ ዝበሃል ዘሎ ሰላም” ኢሳይያስ ከይተተንከፈ ሓላፍነቱ ከይተወሰደ ዝተገበረ ስምምዕ ስለዝኾነ ናብ ምፅብፃብ ኣይተኣተወን። ኣብቲ ንኲናት ዒስራ ሰላሳ ሽሕ ኤርትራውያን ዒስራ ሰላሳ ሽሕ ኢትዮጵያውያን ንምንታይ ሞይቶም? መለስን ኢሳይያስን ክፈትሕዎ ስለዘይከኣሉ ኣይኮነን። ኢሳያስ ናይ መለስን ሃይለማሪያምን ሰላም እንተዝቕበል ፅቡቕ እዩ ነይሩ። ሕዚ ዝኸውን ዘሎ ነገር እንተሪእና ግን እቲ ኣፈላላይ ድልየት ኣብይ ምስ ኢሳይያስ ተመሳሳሊ ስለዝኾነ እዩ። ኤርትራውያን ካብዚ ከምዘይጥቀሙ ከዓ ዝረአ ዘሎ እዩ።

    👉 ከምቲ እንሪኦ ዘለና ኢሳይያስ እውን ንኤርትራ ከመሓድር ኣይኽእልን። ግና ናይዚ ዞባ ኣቦ ክኸውን ይደሊ። ስምምዕ ፕረዚዳንት ሶማሊያ ፎርማጆን አብይን እውን ተመሳሳሊ እዩ። ፎርማጆ ካብ መቃድሾ ክወፅእ ኣይኽእልን፤ አብይ እውን ካብ ኣዲስ ኣበባ ወፃኢ ዘመሓድሮ ዓዲ የለን። እቲ ከባብስ ሓደ ገይርና ኢና ክነመሓድሮ ዝብል ሕማም ኣለዎም። ንኢጋድ ከዓ ከምፀላኢ ይቘፅርዎ።

    👉 እዞም ሰባት ድልየት ልምዓት ዓዲ እንትዝህልዎም ፈለማ ሰላም ህዝብታት ክፍጠሩ እዩ ነይርዎም። አብይ እኮ ይዛረብ እዩ፤ ምድማር ማለት ዓሰብ ምርካብ እዩ ይብል።

    👉 መለስ ዜናዊ ትውልዲ (ህይወት) እናኸፈልና ባፅዕን ዓሰብን ኣይንጥቀምን፤ ገንዘብ እናኸፈልና ኢና እንርበሓሉ ይብል ነይሩ። ሕዚ ግና ትውልዲ ገቢርና ኤርትራ ክነእትዋ ኣለና፤ ዝብሉ መራሕቲ ኣብ ኣዲስ አበባ መፂኦም ኣለው። ምስ እዚኦም ፍቕሪ ብፍቕሪ ኮይኑ ዝሰርሕ ዘሎ ድማ ኢሳይያስ ኣፍወርቂ እዩ።

    👉 ኢሳይያስ ብዛዕባ ኤርትራ ኣይንታዩን! ኣብ ምብራቕ ኣፍሪካ ፎርኦን ዝኾነሉ ኩነታት እንተፈጢሩ ብዛዕባ ኤርትራ ድላዩ ይኹን ኣይግድሶን። ስለዚ ከምዚ ዓይነት ድልየት ስለዘለዎም እዩ ኢሳይያስን ኣብይን ዝቀራረቡ ዝመስለኒ።

    👉ኣብቲ ስምምዕ ከምቲ ንሳቶም ዝብልዎ ህወሓት ኣይዓንቀፀ፤ ኣይሓንገደ! ኢሳይያስ ድለየት ዘለዎ ኣይመሰለንን። እቲ ቀንዲ ድልየት ህወሓት ክቕጥቀጥ ኣለዎ ዝብል ስለዘይከኣሉ እዩ፤ እዚ ድልየት ህዝብን ሰራዊትን ኤርትራ ኣይኮነን። ህዝቢ ምጭፍላቕ ድልየት ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ኣይኮነን።

    👉 ልዕሊ ኹሉ ግና እቲ ህዝቢ ንምጭፍላቕ ዝግበር ምንቅስቓስ ውለቀ መለኽቲ ዝሰዓር፣ ኢሳያስ ወይ ኣብይ ስለዝደለዩ ዘይኮነስ፣ ነዚ ዝምብርከኽ ህዝቢ ስለዘየለ እዩ።

    👉 ክልቲኡ ህዝቢ ከምድላዩ ናብ ኣስመራን ኣዲስ ኣበባን ዝራኸበሉ ኩነታት እንተተፈጢሩ ብዛዕባ ጉዳይ ባድመ ትርጉም ናብዘይብሉ ክነዕብዮ ንኽእል ኢና፤ ዝብል እምነት እዩ ዘለና፤ ስለዚ ኣብ ጉዳይ ባድመ ክንደናገር የብልናን።

    👉መንግስቲ ፌዴራል እንታይ ከምዝተስማዕመዐ ከርእየና ኣለዎ። ንኤርትራውያን እውን ዝጠቕሞም ንሱ እዩ። ሓደ ሰብኣይ ኣብ ዝኣመነሉ በሪ ዶብ ዝኽፈት፣ ዝዕፆ ዓይነት እንተገይርናዮ ግና ሰላም ክፍጠር ኣይኽእልን።

    👉 ካልኣይ ኲናት ከይፍጠር ዝብል ስግኣት ድማ ኣሎ። ኢሳይያስ ምስኡ ኮፍ ንዝበሉ ነጋዶ ከይተረፈ ንወያነ ከጥፍእ እየ ኢሉ ይዛረብ ኣሎ፤ ዘረባ ጎበዝ ኣድሪ። እዚ ናይ ሓባር ፀላኢ ወያነ ስለዝረኸቡ ንወያነን ንህዝቢ ትግራይን ንምብርካኽ ቅድሚ ሕዚ እውን ዝሓሰቦ እዩ፤ ፈሺልዎ እምበር። እዚ ክቕፅልሉ እዮም። ግን ኣይኾነለሙን።

    👉 እቲ ቐንዲ ጀጋኑ ህዝብን መናእሰይን ኤርትራ መፃወቲ ሕልሚ ኢሳይያስ ከይኾኑ ክንሰርሕ ኣለና። ንሳ እንተገይርና ኢሳይያስ ኣብ ደንደን ይኹን ኣብ ካልእ ኮይኑ ክፍክር ይኽእል፤ ግና ትርጉም ዘለዎ ለውጢ ከምፅእ ኣይኽእልን። ምንም ዘስግእ ነገር የብልናን።

    👉 ሕዚ እውን እኮ ብዙሓት ሰለልቲ ይሰዱ፣ ሰባት ይቕንፅሉ፤ እዚ ኩሉ ንፈልጥ ኢና። ሰባት ብምቕንፃል ዘረጋግፅዎ ልዕልና እንተሃልዩ ክንርኢ ኢና። እቲ ቀንዲ መንእሰይ ኤርትራ ናብ ስደት ከቕንዕ የብሉን። ነቲ ፀገም ዝፈጠረ ክቕይር ክንቀሳቐስ ኣለዎ።

    👉 ርክብ ኢትዮጵያን ኤርትራን ከምኡ እውን ርክብ ህዝቢ ኤርትራን ትግራይን ብዝምልከት ኣብ ልምዓት ዕብየትን ዝተመስረተ፣ መናእሰይ ሰሪሖም ዝነብሩላ ኤርትራን ኢትዮጵያን ክትህሉ፣ ኤርትራን ትግራይ ድማ እቲ ናይ ቀደም ምሕዝነቶም ዝምስርትሉ ኩነታት ክፍጠር ኢና እንደሊ።

    👉 ዴሞክራቲክ ዝኾነት ኤርትራ፤ ዴሞክራቲክ ዝኾነት ትግራይ፤ ዴሞክራቲክ ዝኾነት ኢትዮጵያ ከድልያና እየን፡፡ ልዕሊ ኹሉ ኣብ ልምዓትን ኣብ ድልየት ምዕባይ ህዝብና ዝተመስረተ ፖለቲካ ክህሉ ስለዘለዎ ነዚ ክንሰርሕ ኣለና። ክስራሕ ድማ ይከኣል እዩ።

    👉 እቶም ዘዕንቁፍና ሓይልታት ዓቕሚ እውን የብሎምን። ኣብ ምድንጋርናን ኣብ ዘይምፍላጥናን ዝተመስረተ እዮም ዝነብሩ ዘለው፤ ብሓሶት ፕሮፓጋንዳ። ኣብታ ሰለስተ ወርሒ ዝተፈጠረት ዝገርም ነገር እዩ ተራእዩ፤ ባህግና ተመሳሳሊ እዩ።

    👉 ውልቀ ሰባት ህይወት መናእሰይ ከህገሩ ብይህወት ህዝቢ ጠላዕ ክፃወቱ ክንፈቅድ የብላናን!

    👉 ኣብዝኤን እንተይፈለጥና እንተቐፂልና ቸቸ እናበሉና ክቕፅሉ እዮም። ብዙሕ ፀገማትን ፈተናታትን ዝሓለፉ ህዝብታት ኣለውና፤ ተሓጋጊዝና ክንሰርሕ፣ ርክብና ኣብ ምክብባር ዝተመስረተ ክኾን ኣለዎ። እዚ እንተገይርና መፃኢና ፅቡቕ ክኾን እዩ ዝብል እምነት ኣለኒ።

    ኣባል ፈፃሚ ስራ ህወሓት ብፃይ ጌታቸው ረዳ ሎሚ ቕነ ምስ ኣሰና ቴሌቪዥን ኣብ እዋናዊ ጉዳይ ኢትዮጵያን ኤርትራን ኣድሂቡ ካብ ዝገበሮ ፃንሒት ዝተዘሰደ።
    Source; Meskerem.Net

    • Brhan

      MM you have violated of course. Weekends are allowed. I am not a moderator but we are all matured to keep our house clean.

    • Sultan M.G.

      Sorry mod ;and that is why I posted it conditionally- saying if ok with the Mod quoting the source as well to acknowledge the Ownership and Copy Right!

  • Teodros Alem

    Hi
    I just want to share 2 info for u guys
    1, professor mesfin woldemariam said when he asked about the recent Gala(oromo) killings, he said blacks south africans under apartheid were peaceful and law abiding citizens but now there r lots of crime committed by blacks in south Africa, and he said galas(oromos) r doing same thing in ethiopia.
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