Inform, Inspire, Embolden. Reconcile!

Nakfa’s Symbolic Value

It is embarrassing to witness, in this day and age, abnormal developments creep into our campaigns for human and democratic rights of Eritreans. The aim of the sectarian and ethnocentric maneuver is to sow discord between groups, loosen our Ghedli-history that binds us together and then destroy the social fabric of our communities. The Agazian extremists think that religion and ethnicity provide them with the general model that they have of themselves and their world. Well, they are wrong because Nakfa proved them wrong time and time again. Allow me to clarify my point.

The aim of the promoters of these prejudiced values, simply stated, is to change the course of our Ghedli experience in order to appropriate more maneuverability for their crusades. Moreover, take the Ghedli mind-set off the Eritrean identity then he/she will not stand on his dignity. This fanaticism, as far as they are concerned, is what will feed discord and division among us. And that is precisely why we must play an active role in opposing hate sermons and extremism that are being unpacked in our backyards.

The falsification of our history, through efforts exerted by these so called Agazians, pure racialists, is a disgrace, to say the least. The notions they have espoused and are advancing show that they have an obvious interest in a neo-Unionist position.  They do not realize that attacking the credibility of our historic memory will backfire on them.

I am in no doubt that we Eritreans know about and enamored of our history. We know it is a history full of heroism.  However, there is also another side to our victory.  In 1991, as we immersed ourselves in the exhilaration of our victory other forces went to work which would prevent us achieving a true victory – that of democracy and pluralism.  Instead, those forces, under Isaias Afwerki’s leadership, short-changed us, ushering in the politics of the victorious.

The victorious, as it evolved out of the progressive Ghedli into PFDJ, transformed itself into an authoritarian political party that dominated the post-war politics of Eritrea. It was not created around the need to win elections, but rather, as a highly regimented military organisation, its aim was to consolidate power. Sadly, the future that was supposed to ensue after liberation was all based on fake promises.

Now we find ourselves in a different era all together – an era which is eroding that numinous history.  Regrettably, the dark post-independence era that has dawned on Eritrea has so unsettled many of us it is making us forget how our prized success was achieved.  Alas, we are also seeing that some individuals who are angered by the disastrous developments in the country are beginning to challenge and refute facts of our history. Personally, I cannot deny the various components of my national identity which is shaped by our struggle, is important to me. However, I cannot afford to allow my frustrations and indignation at the prevailing injustice get the better of me.

I do not agree with those who totally blame the past for today’s pains. I still believe that Eritrea’s future is rooted in its past. The reason I am exalting our pre-independence history – at least a good part of it – is due the fact it is the only one I am familiar with.  Many Eritreans of my generation either played a part in, or lived through, the painful 30-year war for independence. Many more supported the revolution and contributed towards its historic conclusion. Moreover, many of us have siblings, friends, relatives and loved ones who took part in the raging conflict in the battlefields of Eritrea. The majority of the fighters are still with us – some are still serving the current regime and others, unhappy with the way the Eritrean dream turned out under PFDJ’s leadership, have turned their back on the Government of Eritrea, but not the struggle for independence.

In these times of adversity I think of what Nakfa means to me. I am reminded of how Nakfa sustained a series of persistent attacks by the Ethiopian Army during late 70s and 80s. In my mind’s eye I can still see our freedom fighters’ trench line that was dug in around the Den-Den Mountain which was crucial in the defense of Nakfa.  I know the successive battles and counter offensives carried out to defend the Nakfa front came at a huge price – the costs simply defy imagination. What I can say is that Nakfa became the most potent symbol of resistance because the Ethiopians, even with the help of air power and massive support from the Soviet Union, could not break its defenses for years.

When I think of Nakfa I think of Omar Sefaf, the veteran fighter who joined the independence struggle in 1966. During the Nadew offensive he was the Battalion Commander within 13th Brigade, 61st Division. His fellow combatants tell stories of how he fell in Harat Harmaz, mountainous area of Sahel. Again, when I think of Nakfa my mind goes back to the memories of wedi Naf’E who was full of youthful exuberance. He loved sports, and by far, the best runner in his unit. His friends say he was a brave warrior. In 1985 he fell in defense of the Nakfa front. His fellow-combatants still remember of the words he uttered before he took his last breath. Wedi Naf’E is survived by Keriya Hassan, his wife, fellow combatant, and their son who still remains attached to Nakfa through his father’s blood and burial ground.

We seem to be confused about many things these days, including our relationship with our own history. And I think that is to be expected as doubts and revisionist attitudes are corrupting the minds of those who lack self-confidence about the eventual success of our current campaigns.

To witness a characterless campaign by those who have taken pseudo-position is an embarrassment, to say the least.  It is strange to see them embark on endeavors to reshape history by belittling and repudiating past realities and by ignoring the essential facts of our nationalist struggle.

How can one forget the voluntary forfeiture of one’s right to life in order to save fellow comrades? How can one forget the overwhelmingly austere conditions that engulfed the young fighters, the ululating female combatants who marched into battlefields so valiantly? The soulful music of resistance that moved our hearts, and most of all, the mothers who stood upright in the face of their children’s bitter martyrdom still resonate with us.

The spell of Nakfa will not, and cannot be broken by such distractions. As the detractors are horsing around with the Tigray-tigrigni aspiration, which is sterile in nature and a gift to PFDJ, attempts to detoxify its proponents is a waste of time. This malformed phase of our struggle, like many false prophesies we have witnessed in the past, will fade away in due course. I am moving on self-confidently because I know Nakfa is on my side. I can hear it say: no to sectarianism and ethnocentrism!

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  • ‘Gheteb

    To: Awate Admin., Moderators and AT,

    I am hereby bringing to your attention that a certain comment that, I believe, is a clear violation of the posting guidelines or its spirit. A certain Forumer, A mde, is asking Forumer(s) to leave this website.

    Here is the comment in its entirety.

    ” Amde Berhe Y • an hour ago
    Hi Berhe,
    Exactlly. Really, the only think anybody expects from Isayas at this point is his rendez vous with a box and hole in the ground. No change can be expected in policy, institution building, regional affairs, economy. Those that want to fawn over how he rode his motorbike up and down Keren should be welcomed to do so in a different site they can build and moderate themselves.
    Amde”.

    [[ Those that want to fawn over how he rode his motorbike up and down Keren should be welcomed to do so in a different site they can build and moderate themselves ]].

    I believe that this person is OPENLY and EXPLICITLY asking certain Forumer(s) to leave this site and I am of the conviction that this is a clear violation that on numerous occasions that the Awate Admins have urged Forumers to avoid calling Forumers to leave this website and reminding the dedication of this website of fostering exchange of ideas amongst the people of The Horn in general and the peoples of Eritrea and Ethiopia in particular.

    Last time I checked, those this person is derisively and condescendingly describing as ” those who fawn over Isaias” or ” አምልኮተ Isayas”, whatever that means, are Eritreans or could even be Ethiopians, however one may dislike their outlook or political views. This Forum, is an open ideas market that, I think, should remain open to different and divergent ideas, with the proviso that the posting guidelines are strictly adhered. I have never thought this Forum to be an echo chamber where similar or identical point of views are ventilated. I guess, A mde et al may want to turn this Forum into a space where only the viewpoints that they endorse are only entertained.

    But an a priori ordinance or edict to restrict the open exchange of ideas in this Forum runs counter to the very idea of a tolerant market of exchanging ideas. What is more, is the fact that the very person and his cohorts indulge to their hearts contents talking about extraneous issues that border on the gossipy chit-chat, in Amharic, not even bothering to offer a translation to what is being discussed to those Forumers who may not understand Amharic. I haven’t heard nary a peep of complaint about this from any Forumer as the spirit here has been that of tolerance and I am happy that no one has griped about it.

    I hope you will give this note your due consideration.

    Thank you in advance.

    ‘Gheteb

    • tes

      Selam Gheteb,

      Amde is always your victim, right? Everytime, you spin around him when you are exposed. Com’on Gheteb, you are better than this.

      I am not above the law and the law has protected you to stay here though I believe this forum is not for you.

      And I sometimes I say, “this man has no other place except Awate Forum. Other sites are really to small for him to live in his wild and strange elite/intellectual status. Only he can be wild here and still people can talk with him in the languuage that he can remind him about the true world/reality”.

      Your Anti-Thesis Strategist

      tes

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam tes,

        You said:

        ” I believe this forum is not for you”.

        I remember also that you have called on the Awate Admin. to BAN me on many occasions and you would be the first person to celebrate my banning by literally going on a binge drinking. You are that pathetic and you may need to eat about five quintals of Mashela or Biltug before you even have a chance of making your case against me. In short, you need to grow up and quit acting like an emotionally deprived kid.

        You also wrote:

        ” Everytime, you spin around him when you are exposed”.

        Do you even really know what you write or do you simply write without thinking when your thoughts are utterly clouded with HATE and EMOTIONS?

        Yeah, you are the one who is exposed that you stand against free speech, free exchange of ideas and the banning of those like ‘Gheteb against whom you could never, ever imagine to debate and get your messages across with civility and have a chance of winning an argument.

        Talk about I am for humanity and justice crap that you keep mumbling about.

        You have no strategy. All you got is a jumbled thought that are products of a mind that is totally bereft of any clear thinking.

        • tes

          Selam Gheteb,

          My objective on PFDJ is to weed-it-Out from Eritrea and ban it from any political atmosphere of Eritrea. I believe you are one of PFDJ mindset makers.

          Therefore, first and foremost,

          I hate so much, so so much PFDJ and PFDJ makers. For this my hate emotions are always out of control. You can see them every now and then in my reaction against you, Nitricc, Semere Tesfai and now Simon.

          I hate you so much Gheteb. Know this.

          Second:

          My objective is therefore to make you banned.

          If Awate Admin can hear my plea right now, let me repeat:

          I I argue on this date Awate Admin to BAN Gheteb from this page, the page that I believe is for “Inform, Inspire, Embolden and Reconcile”. Gheteb is against this motto.”

          Third,

          I respect Rule of Law. No matter how much I hate you, no matter I wanted to see you banned, I am always abided by the rule of the law of the house. However, I want Awate Admin. to Reform their law. The law they have is against our hate and does not give us freedom to express our anger and emotions freely. I want Reformation.

          And this reform call is my right as a Citizen of Awate World.

          To recap,

          I am working to weed-out PFDJ. I want to see you banned from this great justice web-site. Though I Respect Rule of the House, as a citizen, I want reformation to fulfill my mission.

          And this is what an ordinary citizen plea is. Yet, I am not above the law.

          I always remind myself what Saleh Ghadi Johar call for us is:

          RAGE

          tes

      • sara

        ya tes..
        khalik be’ed, mn al meshakil al terefien al mutsarein … al amalekh luqat englizya., al ethipi wol eritri.

        • tes

          Selam sara,

          I am zero, to repeat, zero in my Arabic knowledge. Please help me in the translation before Abi comes for help.

          tes

    • Amde

      Gheteb,

      I promise to translate every Amharic post should you ask. But your Amharic literacy is not the issue. It is rather your English reading comprehension.

      If Isayas fawning is ur desire, hey not my thing. But it does not meet the stated goal of this site. All I am saying is, IsayasFawners.com is available. When you get the fawning urge, go there. Fawn off to ur little hearts content. I promise to drop in every once in a while.

      For other topics, you should be welcome here. Your Adulis article was interesting. You may yourself need to be reconciled, even if you are no prime candidate for being informed, inspired or emboldened.

      Amde

  • Amde

    This thread…

    መልእክተ ናቅፋ morphs to ገድለ ኢሳያስ

    አብይ ጾም is called for

    • Abi

      Amdachin
      ሳይግባቡ ተጋቡ
      ሳይዋደዱ ዘጠኝ ወለዱ
      ሳይተማመኑ በረሃ ወረዱ
      ከተማ ሲገቡ ተከዳዱ
      ትግሬዎች አበዱ!!!

    • Amde

      Selam Awate Editors

      How does Isayas hagiography serve the purpose of “inspire, inform, embolden and reconcile”?
      Also, if there is any one issue on which there is consensus here, it must be on the extremely negative role of the Isayas centered regime. I assume “reconcile” means “reconcile post Isayas”.

      Therefore, I propose, that perhaps maybe the team add Isayas hagiography as a zero tolerance topic here, much like racism.

      Amde

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Amde,

        If it was up to me, I would reconcile with Mengistu before I do with Isayas.

        For what ever Mengistu did in Eritrea, I can see justification from Ethiopia interest point of view. I see no justification what so ever what Isayas is doing to the ERITREAN people, pure evil.

        Berhe

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Berhe Y,

          It is perfectly within your prerogative with whom you would like to reconcile, be it Mengistu, Haile Selassie, Atse Youhanes or Wube before you reconcile with Isaias.

          But has it ever occurred to you that Isaias not only doesn’t want to reconcile with you or whoever thinks like you, but also he does NOT even acknowledge your presence in the Eritrean political discourse.

          Has it, also, crossed your mind that though you consider Isaias to be “pure evil” that you are a ‘nonentity’ to Isaias in the scheme of things that we call Eritrea.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Gheteb,

            Characters such as Berhe, Paulos, Thomas and Semere A., I describe as people whose cerebral fluid has been taken out with a syringe and squirted down the toilet. I call them as the ‘All talk, no action’ chifra [gang].

            Horizon, Abi and Amde are here, among other things, to derive psychological satisfaction from the Eritrean turmoil. They know they are powerless to do anything.

            Hayat is a low grade cadre on an assignment working hard for promotions.

            Graviton is a stray canine.

            In the article, Dawit’s insincerity shines through his crocodile tears.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            Well put and you hit the nail precisely in the head.

        • Abi

          Hi Berhe
          Mengistu was protecting Eritrea from Eritreans. He did Everything for Eritreans and Eritrea.
          I have been telling you this for years.
          “ትሻልን ፈትቼ ትብስን አገባሁ”

        • Peace!

          Selam Berhe,

          Thank God it is not up to you and your lazy comments to at least have some sympathy and respect for the victims of the brutal facist Derg regime. what an awkward you consider yourself an ACTIVIST, ቁሩብ ካብ Tella Uqbit ናይ ሀይለስላሴ ጫማ ዝላሓሰ ኣይትማሀርን!

          Peace!

          • sara

            anta peace
            entay gebere eze seb, mara wahda… mejmuaa tesedelu…. i doubt he means it, he may be
            trying to exaggerate his feelings… i dont think any sane person would have the audacity to say he prefers Adolf Hitler than the new guy in the kermilin, he will be coaght by the CIA and be taken to Guantanamo bay. the good thing is no one in the google world cares of what mengistu did to eritrea and any one could utter same as what berhe has said with out the risk of being cought .

        • Amde

          Hi Berhe,

          Exactlly. Really, the only think anybody expects from Isayas at this point is his rendez vous with a box and hole in the ground. No change can be expected in policy, institution building, regional affairs, economy. Those that want to fawn over how he rode his motorbike up and down Keren should be welcomed to do so in a different site they can build and moderate themselves.

          Amde

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amde,

            Amde you are here, among other things, to derive psychological satisfaction from the Eritrean turmoil. I know that you are still smarting from the shock routing of the Derg army received from Ghedli.

            Don’t you have enough on your plate, such as providing health care to the girls that roam the streets of Addis Ababa, selling their bodies?

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            You are absolutely right about this character who is on record for describing Eritreans as people with “deformed identities”. His mission on this Forum is no longer a secret as it is now wide in the open for all to see.

            He wants to hijack this Forum so that he and his ilks can safely irrigate their Ethiopian agendas here.

    • Hayat Adem

      Amde and Awate,
      How this discussion evolved is amazing. Where did we start, where did we end up. It is like the liberation journey. One of our intellectual writers, Dawit felt the urgency of defending Naqfa values and gave us an article to read. His initial interest seems to sheild the sacred Naqfa from the growing attacks of the Agazian kids. In the process, people try to give total glory and credits to the one man, and others to push back and forth, we ended up more divided, more agitated and more entertaining to Abi (Tigrewoch Abedu), and a total wste of time.
      I’ve issues similar to what Amde raised below. The four pillar slogans this website stands for are forward-looking, as it should be. Although many of the articles and the news stories posted here come in line to those pillars , most of the contentions and arguements in the discussions that follow afterwards dwell with the past. And it becomes unproductive and boring when few ideas and participants come over and over crowding out the entire forum in a lengthy merry go round type non-incremental engagements.
      Moderators are doing good in keeping the civility of the discussions here but they should do more in keeping the productivity of the discussions as well. Eg: they should call it off when enough is said; they should guide it without editorializing towards making it more relevant and problem solving. Obviously awatistas should ask and address questions but some questions are less relevant and less urgent than others.
      If you notice, it is the past that is becoming a bone of contention, not the future. But the past has never been, can never be as impoertant and as relevant as the future. The future is more urgent and more worrying. The future is an infinite times longer than the past. The past can only be secured in the future, and not the future in the past. For better or worse, you can’t uncook and recook the past. That must be why Awate, except for the name it is carrying, is about the future. We should internalize those values: inform, inspire, embolden and reconcile.
      There is no questionability or the risk of going back about the independence of Eritrea. It is independent as of 1991 and 1993. Get that fact in. Drop your guns, you don’t need them any more!
      Those who has nothing to offer about the independent Eritrea of now and the future, tend to talk about yesterday’s ghedli and meraHti ghedli and wudibat. And becuase those leaders whom they iodolize and lionize failed to deliver in independent Eritrea, they keep taking us back to the past hoping to fetch selling values to make their “heroes” relevant in the now. And because there were so many excesses and crimes, so many wronged folks in the ghedli journey, there are other people who despise the tendency of romanticizing ghedli and those leaders and incessantly engage the lionizers in a push back mood. Worse yet, there are many more who can’t tolerate the cherrypicking glorification of selected personalities. Some of those that are being lionized on their role in the past are criminals of killing the future.
      Bottom line, the past has been dividing us, the future can be unfying us. The past was not and is not for all of us. The future can be and is for all of us. There can never be, has never been consensus about the past. It is possible to build consensus on charting the future if the past is not allowed to cloud it. Eritrea;s history doesn’t need subsidiary beautifications. We don’t have to build comsensus on the wart and bright sde of ghedli, on Naqfa’ as an asset or liability, on the positive or negative roles of this or that ghedli leader. leave the past to the documentarists and hsitorians, and focus on the future and the youth.
      While we are discussing Naqfa, Afa or irrelevant hand written letters sent to Sudan many years ago, Eritrea is becoming a self-emptying nation where one day we will wake up to find Eritrea where it is now but all our people on the other side of the borders.

      • Ismail AA

        Ahlan Hayat,
        Blessed be your words. Agree.
        Regards

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Ismail AA,

          What words are you exactly blessing?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam ‘Gheteb,
            Tell me first if you read what she wrote.
            The debate is really becoming a circus of madness without contributing anything to our knowledge. Moreover, I think you seem to have free time that allows you to be on a standby, which I do not have.
            Let us stop it here, and thank you for engaging.
            Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Whether I read it or not, I am not the one doing the blessing. Regarding having time or not, please don’t go for the below the belt attacks here. You are making remarks that are very unbecoming and please you are urged to quit and desist from making unnecessary and personal remarks here. You don’t have the slightest idea as to who you are talking to when it comes to having time and responsibility.

            You make a statement and when asked a question, you go on guilt tripping others? I only asked a question and you don’t have to go this low to hurl insults here. If you don’t have time, who forced you to answer the question I have posed?

            You have the right to ignore it. If you don’t have time as if you are not here BLESSING the words of others. If you don’t have time, why are you going around and making other comments?

            There is more to your insulting comments than meets the eye.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam ‘Gheteb, .
            Thank you and good bye, dear.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Ismail AA,

            You are welcome and through your response you have exposed your true self. Good riddance!

          • tes

            Selam Gheteb,

            You are the one who is exposed. Thanks to Hayat, this lady knows corrupted pseudo-intellectuals who are not ashamed to distort the truth. Ismail AA is one of honest, true not only to himself but to us, well articulated, precise, well-educated and wise citizen we have here at Awate University.

            Though these days I see some hopes in you, you need miles to walk to come in to a useful citizen. Otherwise you will be remembered as a Vaca-Loader not else.

            Com’on Gheteb, don’t go back now to your missed opportunity of being tegadalay. Just try to be a useful elite nott otherwise.

            tes

          • ‘Gheteb

            Tsa Tse,

            Poor you, you thought there an opportunity to attack ‘Gheteb and here you are pouncing to make yet again another assault on me. Tell you what? You cannot stand on your own two feet nor can you make your own case.

            You are trying to ride the coattails of others in your futile attempt to face ‘Gheteb who is unapologetically self-reliant in his debates and comfortably confident on this own thoughts without using as crutches some light weight Forumers whom you are praising despite the facts to the contrary.

            You think the person who is using the nick “Hayat Adem” is a “lady”? I know you are incurably a narcissist and an ego maniac, but I thought you have been around the block, so to speak, to pick up the subliminal telltale signs to know that this Hayat person is NOT a “lady”.

            Please, quit offering advices I have never asked from you and do you thing in this Forum and leave ‘Gheteb alone.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam tes,

            Do you consider yourself to be an honest citizen?

      • Legacy

        Hi Hayat,

        ” the past has never been, can never be as impoertant and as relevant as the future. The future is more urgent and more worrying. The future is an infinite times longer than the past. The past can only be secured in the future, and not the future in the past. For better or worse, you can’t uncook and recook the past.”

        This is simply PEARL. Beautifuly articulated and strikes a chord with me on so many levels.

        We need BIG IDEAS!

      • MS

        Selam Hayat
        You are no more an Abyssinian Fundamentalist, and I regret to have killed the thread more than it deserved. But as SAAY would have explained it, “gzien kunetatn gediduni”, and I assure you that this expression has not originated from IA’s. Your take on what you termed “Agazian kids” and your moderated position on Eritrea have placed you within the forward-looking and pragmatic pool of Ethio-Eritrean friends. Yes, we want nothing but peace and cooperation. Looking forward creates a spirit of cooperation and respect among peoples; looking backward does the opposite, as you can see it, it pits good friends against each other (read Emma/MS).

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam MS,

          What “moderated position on Eritrea ” about this person are you talking about? I think this is a classic example of ” ክትበልዓ ዝደለኻ ኣባ ጉምባሕ ዛግራ አያ ትብላ”. It is quite amazing how far you are willing to bend over to assuage a bona fide Ghedli basher and an avowed anti-Eritrean water carrier for the Weyane ideology that aims to undo the very fruits of the Eritrean Ghedli or the Eritrean Revolution.

          You can call the person anything that you may want to your hearts content, but you can never change the facts that are indelibly etched in the memories of those who are not afraid to call a spade by its real name a SPADE.

      • Amde

        Hi Hayat and group,

        Well put.

        Personally, I feel the number one asset of this site are the moderators. It is their openness and their disciplined dedication that make this place work. We talked a lot about automation etc, but moderating this place is not going to the robots anytime soon. Without the moderators, this place would devolve. So the burden on them is huge.

        The number two assets are the authors. They bring meaningful topics here, answer comment raised questions. But it is not clear to me if they have a mechanism where they can guide discussions to enrich their contributions or nudge them back if they are derailed.

        In a way it is a pity Disqus engineering runs the discussions.

        That is why I propose at the very least that አምልኮተ Isayas type comments be rejected. That wont harm discussions of history as necessary context. Nor will it end discussion of Isayas in the context of the nature of the regime.

        An additional proposal would be to allow authors the right to make a determination whether meaningful discussion has been exhausted and thereby end commentary. Very often, tangential (even unrelated) discussions add much of the spice that pulls in audience that would otherwise not come in. So this would be a right of recommendation, not the right to unilaterally end discussion. Moderators still have final say.

        Perhaps these can help with guiding useful discussions with minimum additional burden placed on moderators.

        Amde

    • tes

      Selam Amde,

      That is why I argued by saying, “Not Nakfa but Mount Adal has a strong message for my generation.”.

      Adal – is yet unadulterated true history of Eritrean struggle for Independence.

      Adal is a symbol of Leberty and Human FREEDOM

      Nakfa has so many adulterated history that can undo our legitimate struggle for our independence.

      Nakfa – is a Victory over war – and we know war never ends

      My primary project after PFDJ gone from the face of Eritrea are:

      My Project

      1. To change the name of Eritrean currency into other name

      2. To liberate Nakfa from PFDJ distorted narration

      3. To build monument of Liberty in Mount Adal – Human Freedom

      4. To build monument of Victory in Nakfa – war victory

      my Mission

      To liberate PFDJ’s imposed mindset of Eritreans from history of war to history of Liberty and Human Freedom.

      Strategy: To liberate Eritreans from History of war – I will remind them about the tragedy and endless sacrifice of Nakfa

      To regain and own liberty and full freedom – I will talk about Mount Adal.

      tes has said and it will be.

      tes

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Amde,

      In the mean time Ethiopia is boiling under a State of Emergency. Does that concern you?

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Simon Kaleab,

        His main preoccupation is to see the end of Eritrea as an independent state. That is why he doesn’t worry about the death of Ethiopians under the heap of Addis Ababa garbage nor does he want to admit that millions of his compatriots in Ethiopia are on the verge of famine and hunger.

        He froths from both sides of his mouth talking about Eritrea and harps on about the speck in Eritreas eyes without bothering about the huge log that is lodged in Emma Ethiopias eyes.

        What a Pharisee and what a rank hypocrite this Amde character is really IS.

      • Amde

        Selam Simon,

        Have you bothered to read my posts?

        Amde

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Amde,

          Have you bothered to answer my question? The number of street girls in major Ethiopian cities is multiplying, does this concern you? Do your homework rather than being camped 24/7 on this Eritrean site.

  • Abi

    Hi Haile WM
    Good to see you.

    • Haile WM

      hi Abi

      Good to see you too

  • MS

    Selam Semere Tesfai, and ALL
    Dawit Mesfin wrote “As we moved from guns to government we were unjustly short changed. Instead of making Nakfa a pivotal episode of our lives the government turned it into a disaster.” Excellent summary statement.
    Semere Tesfai wrote:”For every social victory you see in the world, there is a competent core leadership with a disciplined chain of command that lead (steered) its people to victory.”
    The premises of my reply are:
    a/ If the EPLF were politically and organizationally more dynamic (if it really used its potential effectively by giving merit an emphasis in its leadership), perhaps, it would get stronger and yet more democratic and more popular leadership. The fact that IA and the few members of the politburo stayed in power for decades does not any thing that they were indispensable. It does not say that they were the only cream the EPLF could have yielded.
    b/ Despite all the shortcomings, if IA pursued a road of reconciliation, and let the democratization process take its course, we would probably forgiven IA for anything he had done and would have let him retire in honor. Instead, IA and its organization have appropriated the heroic story of Eritreans and have used it against Eritreans, and that is where the problem is. Therefore, the debates of the past few days should be read within this perimeter. Some are using Nakfa in order to lionize one man who is the essence of the malaise afflicting Eritrea, and others are rejecting that presentation and are trying to give IA what he deserves of credit without letting him to take over ALL the credits.
    Final remarks on this subject: Ya Akhi Semere: True, for social movements to succeed there need to be a leadership. When discussing topics such as the story of Nakfa, Ghedli…and the role leaders played, it all depends on what the intended message that one is trying to convey out of the narrative. For instance when someone discusses IA’s role, what is intended? Within that long struggle, in which many had contributed physically and intellectually, some even more popular and more shining than IA, how large a space are we willing to give IA? Is it fair for us to personalize the collective inputs of Eritreans making him embody wholly the ingenuity and dedication of many? Do we need to do that? Why has PFDJ departed from the culture of its progenitor, EPLF, where the idolizing of individuals was strictly shunned? Why has PFDJ begun featuring IA as an indispensable leader? I hope you recall the campaigns of “we are him and he is us” and the captions “Words written in Gold”; in addition to the subtle messages that only people who lived the experience of EPLF can discern such as books and articles whose main actors buried under the piles of propaganda that convey how an astute the leadership was. Individuals, and groups of individuals (units, villages, communities..) that actually made the events successful are eclipsed by this type of propaganda. In many books, interviews, feature films about EPLF…the main characters and the actual substance are buried by the promotion of “qnuE meriHnet/amerarHa..) which could mean right, deserved…astute leadership. Eritreans know in the parlance of PFDJ, leadership is a euphemism for IA.
    Remember, we are not studying history. We are talking politics. PFDJ has expropriated the contribution of Eritreans, it has weaponized Sahel and Nakfa for one goal: to extend the political life of IA. PFDJ wiped out the role of individuals who were equally shining; it has wiped out the contribution of a portion of our people under the Leadership of ELF (and Eritrea is paying a heavy price for that). Have you ever seen or read your contribution or the contribution of tegadelti who fought along your side in the media of the government? Have you asked why? Remember: I’m not concerned about IA or the leadership of PFDJ and their historic conflict with the leadership of ELF, but as an organization, ELF was a broad national front that encompassed half of Eritrea, for a long time. My friend that’s intentional, and is a part of the project that is oiled to keep IA outshine everything. I would not care if IA was discussed for the sake of history under a condition where all other pertinent actors (individuals, people, and circumstances) get equal chance of expressing themselves.
    However, instead of shading light to all variables and pick each of them on their own merit, PFDJ’s approach is to dim the surrounding so that IA shine out. IA is lionized for the sake of perpetuating PFDJ’s rule, and that we should oppose.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Selam MS,

      It is indeed amazing to see you come back, after less than 48 hours, to get over your boredom and pound out a lengthy note or “Hateta”. Here is what you replied to the queries I posed to you:

      ” I’m really getting bored (sorry, but true). BTW, I was responding in hurry, and I pushed a button sending my previous reply half complete. Anyway, I will respond one final time out of respect “.

      With all due respect to you, I was not challenging you by raising those question about anything else, but my queries were primarily about Isaias Afwerkis role, Naqfa , EPLF/PFDJ. Instead of fleshing out your claims and assertions, you opted to offer platitudes, clichéd one sentence responses and go on offering more excuses.

      Neither you nor Dawit Mesfin has provided narratives and convincing evidences to prove the overgeneralized assertions you have been making here :

      Quoting Dawit Mesfin you wrote:

      ” As we moved from guns to government we were unjustly short changed. Instead of making Nakfa a pivotal episode of our lives the government turned it into a disaster”.

      And, you have repeatedly asserted that:

      ” PFDJ’s approach is to dim the surrounding so that IA shine out. IA is lionized for the sake of perpetuating PFDJ’s rule, and that we should oppose”.

      Asked pointedly to defend your assertion about the role of other individuals in the EPLF and what their contributions were and what exactly was that they have done that is now deliberately being “DIMMED” by “PFDJ and IA” so that ” IA shin(s) out”, in my considered opinion, remains nothing more than an IPSE DIXIT ( a dogmatic and unproven statement).

      Just as a reminder here is the very query I posed to you:

      ” Leaving aside “Ghetebs inverted world” or Semere Andoms SUBVERTED world of Torontos Tim Hortons, do you mind telling me who these “REAL actors” were who were “equally shining in the eyes of the generation who lived around that leadership”. I mean I want you to write who these individuals are/were and what their role were?”.

      The only thing your reply included was mentioning the names of some EPLF leaders or fighters and nothing else. You also gave the same ‘non-reply reply’ for the assertion you made about Isaias stealing the ideas of others because he was “like a sponge”

      I can cite many examples to show that you have become this vast store of assertion that are bereft of any countenancing details and a surfeit of IPSE DIXITs. Sorry to put it this way, but I think that is what has been my observation. However, you are not alone in this regard.

      In a similar fashion, Cuz SAAY and Ismail AA have been eschewing answering questions that I have posed to them challenging their assertions by resorting to raising side issues. Dawit Mesfin, also, has not fleshed out the assertion he made about ” the government [GoE/PFDJ] turning Naqfas pivotal role into a disaster”. None whatsoever!

      It is quite astounding to see you back in less than 48 hours from your “boredom” to pounding out the same assertions and pronouncements you were challenged to prove through those queries I posed. Writing another lengthy note or Hateta where you have repeated the same assertion, will not turn IPSE DIXITs into acceptable and well substantiated statements.

      • iSem

        When a defector Insults the Sacrifices of Eritrean Heroes by Attributing Ghedli’s Accomplishments to One Man, a Mad Man at That

        Hi Awatista:
        Any one who have even below average intelligence knows that no one man or woman can accomplish as colossal as the Eritrean Ghedli or liberating Naqfa. Even the technology and medical miracles we enjoy today were the amalgam of ideas and efforts of many men and women who planted the seeds millennia ago. People standing on the shoulders of men and women before them, refining, improving and adding to the knowledge those before them laid. Mention any human endeavor in history and you find that it started with embryonic concept or idea or attempt and over the years, the embryo was nurtured and improved to yield the product or body of knowledge we now enjoy. And so is the liberation of Naqfa, it did not start when EPLF was created. It has its beginning when Awate sparked the revolution, when Togurba validated it, every small step from the arrest of clandestine student leaders, which IA suspiciously invaded, to the freeing of 1000 prisoners from Ethiopia n dungeons was one step toward the liberation of Naqfa and when men and woman who MS mentions added their wisdom, when they collaborated drawing on their experience form China and so on, they made Naqfa happen and that event added, inflamed the spark that Awate ignited, the fire that Toguraba inspired, the hope that the freeing of prisoner by the sons of the people instilled, the commitment that the thousands of martyrs before Naqfa cemented.
        But here, someone who has done nothing for the cause, someone who has played a role by his words and support to dictatorship since the late 1970s in the suffering of the people, instead of redeeming himself he is doubling down by saying in our face Naqfa was the making of IA, the single hand of the demi-god, and his proof is the lines of a song based on quotes attributed to IA. Everything else, the proof that freedom fighters MS, MBB told him is irrelevant. Make what you will of this state of mind, but this is an affront and assault on the very tents of the Ghedli and Naqfa and the thousands who died to make Ghedli, the aspiration of generations of Eritrea.
        Our defector and dictator worshiper, Gheteb has never even mildly, casually mentioned the disappearance of thousands of heroes by IA because they are nothing to him, for him everything starts and ends with IA. If anyone is confused about his intention, about his motives and what inspires him to ditch his filth here, is naïve. And I call on my friends who went to school with this evil man to expose him and write about him, you know who you are, expose him, you here in Toronto, you are in the USA, and we have discussed this guy. I can do that, but mine would not be as comprehensive as yours so, tell us who this guy is and his role in high school and his spying digs with the EPLF office.

        Dawit Mesfin’s piece was grounded on the idea that we should not run from our good past, it is through embracing it that we can triumph over the tyrant, it is not by running from it. And his comment from this morning, where he paid homage toe very commentors from the opposition to the supporter is indicative of his reconcillatory tone and his integrative thinking, we can integrate, call it the husbandry of ideas to solve our problems and that is sober and coherent idea and if there is anyone who should accept that, it should be PFDJ because it is reconciliation. Without reconciliation we are losers, but the criminals have more to loose and Gheteb to true the nature of PFDJ refused that and he is pinning his hope for IA to redeem him, he is either sick or he is gainfully employee by PFDJ and moonlighting as a tutor to corrupt kids

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Semere A.,

          Your hypocrisy knows no bounds when, in broad daylight, you talk about “Sacrifices of Eritrean Heroes”. Weren’t you a runner yourself?

          The question is what actionable plan (s) do you have for the future? If you have any credibility left, that is.

        • MS

          Selam SemereA
          Excellent piece. The only thing I don’t endorse is your call to expose Ghehteb. I don’t think readers will benefit from that except knowing who he is. I can live with his extreme loyalty to IA. I don’t remember there was any of that blind loyalty in the field except in few who were openly calling him “ayay” or uncle. I would say most tegadalay never even saw him, did not think of him that much or never cared at all. There were equally towering personalities who were attending tegadelti’s daily issues, leading and supervising actual plans-leaders/ figures who lived among tegadelti. In the mass organizations, I assume, the matter was completely different-it was “Isayas Afeworki teKalakalay tanki: nska tgadel adeKa tbeki…”. If IA showed up driving in the streets of Keren, that becomes so huge that they fail to mention that there were people engaged in a life and death engagements a few kilometers outside of the city. They fail to mention that there were wounded tegadelti from Elabered and some units that were cut off even as late as the front was established around Ghenfelom. He was a commander-in-Chief, we know that. But nothing more than that.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam MS,

            You are now unabashedly claiming that:

            ” I can live with his extreme loyalty to IA. I don’t remember there was any of that blind loyalty in the field except in few who were openly calling him “ayay” or uncle”.

            You are now claiming that ‘Gheteb’s loyalty to “IA” is “BLIND” and “EXTREME”. But, you have not explained why nor have you offered anything remotely plausible and convincing to make such claims. In my book, they are mere IPSE DIXITs and nothing more.

            Instead of raising up and fleshing out your claims and assertions about Naqfa, PIA and the EPLF, you have tactically opted for ‘side flank attacks’ –ናይ ኹሊት መጥቃዕቲ– and totally eschewing facing the challenges posed to you head-on.

          • MS

            Selam Ghehteb
            Firstly, I believe I have replied to the “challenges” you put forward. I skipped questions that would lead to names of people for obvious reasons. Think about this Ghehteb: you are asking me to provide you with names and links that enabled me to form a personal assessment without you even telling us who you are and what your proximity to the matter was. Think about that. Think about the fact that you are trashing founders of EPLF, people you might have once felt proud of, without telling us what it is that makes you trash them. So, I did not want to continue the conversation, because the type of questions you were posing to me were questions one would ask to some one who went to the field for a tour visit(ምዕባለ ክርእዩ መጺኦም ይበሃል ነይሩ), without down playing the role of our Hafash wudubat. I don’t need to be his secretary in order to form an opinion. But again, you are willing to give all credit of Nakfa to one man based on an interviews; you are willing to trash elements who founded the EPLF and who were among the major contributors without giving a reason, and yet you expect me to tell me who helped form the opinion I have about this man!!! You see how irony things loo?
            BTW: I’m responding because you are asking me, otherwise, I don’t really care how you see IA. I respect the human side of Ghehteb because you were generous to tell me a bit about yourself, and for that I thank you.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam MS,

            Firstly, allow me to thoroughly disabuse you, once and forever, about the implicit message about the roles of the EPLA in the EPLF and debunk the canard you are wittingly or not, mouthing in most of your comments.

            The EPLF was composed of the following parts:

            (1) EPLA — The Eritrean Peoples Liberation Army ( Armed Forces)
            (2) The Peoples Militia
            (3) The Mass Organization

            Because of EPRPs ( Eritrean Peoples Revolutionary Party) central role within the EPLF, those who were inducted to this party were more in the know in the inner workings of the EPLF than those non EPRP members of the EPLF.

            Mind you that there were a lot of members of the EPRP from The Mass Organization part of the EPLF and the majority of the EPLA were NOT members of this clandestine party of the EPLF.

            Now given this glaring fact, how in Gods green earth, can you even attempt to write the following:

            ” So, I did not want to continue the conversation, because the type of questions you were posing to me were questions one would ask to some one who went to the field for a tour visit(ምዕባለ ክርእዩ መጺኦም ይበሃል ነይሩ), without down playing the role of our Hafash wudubat”.

            The fact that there were those you have been ‘derisively’ referring as “Hafash wudubat” were members of the EPRP and knew more about the going-ons within the EPLF than those EPLA members who were not inducted to the EPRP, thoroughly belies the assertions you have been making about the EPLFs Mass Organizations.

            Secondly, where exactly did you read me “TRASHING” the founders of the EPLF? Yes, exactly where and how did I trash them when you have failed, time and again, to bring their role in the Naqfa narrative after I have posed a plethora of challenges.

            Thirdly, I am not asking you to spill the beans and divulge the names of those you have gathered your information about the “REAL” heroes of Naqfa, or for that matter, the EPLF. All I asked and challenged you with was for you to provide your side of the story that shows:

            (1) Who were these “REAL” heroes of Naqfa and what is that they have done that proves that Isaias was a mere nobody who have co-opted and took away their heroism in order to outshine them?

            (2) What ideas and concepts had Isaias stole from others in the EPLF by “being like a sponge”.

            (3) What have you based your claim that it was only those in the EPLFs Mass Organization that lionized Isaias and those within EPLF’s rank and file who idolized and lionized him were few and far between?

            The prevailing notions and thinking all indicate the CENTRALITY of Isaias role within the EPLF and you are the one talking about the other “REAL” heroes without offering even a dab of convincing account or narrative.

          • MS

            Selam Ghehteb
            It’s not helpful nor economic to repeat what I have written in the past 72 hours or so. You like asking questions and demanding evidences without telling me why I should believe in what you are telling me, or rather in what you are alluding to be. So, let us assume you are in the know company. Still, IA stinks to me. How about that. The only new thing that has surfaced in your reply is that which is related to the Hafash Wudubat. It’s neither a derision nor an act of minimizing their contributions. My interactions with ex-Hafash Wudubat made me believe that some of them saw the EPLF through the persona of IA. Hafash Wudubat is not a derision to me. But one can’t have the real deal through meetings and occasional visits. So, Ghehteb, I don’t argue you on the fact that you could be in the know company. However, the defense you are making could be done by any loyal person. Take care. And the secret party? Please.
            Regards.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam MS,

            Forget about what you think about Isaias or what your opinion is in regards to EPLFs Mass Organization. It is absolutely immaterial or irrelevant what my role was whether I was in Hafash Wuddubat or not or whether I was in the loop or out of the loop when it came to the inner workings of the EPLF. Did it ever cross your mind that I may have NEVER been a member of the EPLFs Mass Organization nor do I belong to the PFDJ ones?

            I am not asking you to believe what I am telling you here. Assume that what I have said is totally false. However, you have not proven your side of the story and your claims remain in the realm of unsubstantiated assertions and baseless claims.

            Your equivocations, quibbling and eschewing to back the claims you made about me “TRASHING” the founding members, for instance, is indicative that you have absolutely no accounts and narratives that back up your claims and assertions that would pass a serious muster or scrutiny here.

            I am not making any defense of Isaias here, but it is who have literally dropped the ball and want to punt, after you have failed to make any headways in countenancing your “Tegadalays” take from the close proximity of what was transpiring in the Eritrean fields.

            Sad but true, some Tegadelti were in the dark regarding the workings of the EPRP (Think of Solomon Woldemariam who was sent to the Sudan and how the EPRP laid all the groundworks for his ultimate downfall and undoing just before his return to attend EPLFs first organizational congress. He was totally agnostic about the EPRP and its workings).

            Again, sad but true, there were even some EPLF fighters who were not only in the dark, but they occupied the darkest niches of the EPLF in regards to the workings of the EPRP. Therefore, being a member of the EPLA (Tegadaly),in and of itself, does NOT endow, anyone and that includes you ,MS, that you knew much more about the inner workings of the EPLF. I think that is why you have failed to back up your claims and assertions.

          • MS

            Ahlan Ghehteb
            I’mrunningout of time, all of your assertions were dealt with and kulu be’awet tezazimu, startiung from your “war of attrition” that you want to attribute it to IA, followed by how Nakfa front was fought, followed by assessments on the role of IA as the pary’s SG and the commander-in-c hief of EPLA….I coulsd go on talking about EPRP and how IA used it….
            You brought important points though that some tegadelti members of the EPLF were in the dark. And you are right. Now, the question should have been why they were kept in the dark. We know why. Tell me your opinion on figures such as Petros Solomon, DruE, Mahmoud Sherifo, Mesfun Hagos, Andebrehan w/giorgis, Ahmed AlQeysi, Haile Menqerios, Berhane Gerezghihier…and many oithers
            Martyred: The role of the late Ali Said Abdallah and others…please their real contribution…You think these people don’t deserve as much credit?

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam MS,

            All of us have 24 hours per days cycle and no more and just like you all of us feel that the time we have in our hands are limited and hence why we feel that “time is running out”.

            The best way to mitigate that is to stick to the issue at hand and quit beating around the bush and answer the questions that are posed as forthrightly and as swiftly as possible. Sorry to say, MS, but you have flunked in that department by your never ending turning to red herring issues.

            Still, I contend and maintain that the concept of “War Of Attrition” WOA, was introduced to the EPLFs military parlance by Isaias Afwerki in Eritrea. This context is vital and I am not arguing about the concept in regards to Mao or Fabus in the Fabian Strategy. I am talking specifically as it was applied in the EPLF.

            I have asked you to counter my arguments by telling me who else introduced this very concept in the EPLF, alas, you have so far failed to make your case.

            The other Politburo members of the EPLF are not the issue here. But to gain their roles in the EPLF to that of Isaias, I would urge you to research “the second meeting or congress of the EPRP” held sometimes in 1986? by listening to the personal accounts of those EPRP members who attended this congress.

            According to those accounts, during one of the discussion sessions regarding the EPLFs policy, Ramadan Mohammed Nur, raised about the future relationship would be like between the EPLF and the PLO.

            Isaias as the chairman of the EPRP, dismissed the idea of the proposed relationship, by saying that we will not be too sentimental about this issue because some organization had given us some Kalashnikov rifles so many years ago. To make a long story short, the strengthening of the EPLF PLO relations was shot down right in the congress by Isaias Afwerki because by then the PLO has taken the Ethiopian side.

            I still believe that you need to raise to the challenges and render your answers without unduly being encumbered by unnecessary side issues.

          • MS

            Ahlan Ghehteb
            Do you really want me to continue this thread? OK, honestly I’m busy with the kids . I mean you get sometimes busy too. Don’t you. It is matter of courtesy for me to let you know what I write may not be to the level your question needs. For instance, in your past reply you mentioned Solomon W/Mariam, and how EPRP knocked him off. True that happened in 1976, prior to the first congress (just for your information). After that he continued in and out of Halewa Sawra, demoralized and disoriented. I was around him (in that area) when he was captured. I know the person who had led him to believe that he would accompany him to the Sudanese police (he was inside Sudanese territory, anyway). Ironically, the person later fled to the Sudan.
            By now the war of attrition is out of the way because everybody knows it is not IA original concept. If you are talking about EPLF military parlance, I remember it being used 3 years prior to that in military academy (kifli taElim), I have also talked a gentle man, way older and more informed of early military terminologies, who was in the siege of Nakfa for 6 months, and then went to blocking the famous convey (Asmara Massawa, which led to the first attack on Massaw. After that he spent a few months participating in the of AdiKeyeH. He has told me that term was used during those years, and practiced widely.
            Regarding IA and his inner relations with his peers vis-à-vis EPRP, you are giving things that are already in the market. I know debates more than PLO, including strategic ones such as the organizations U-turn on Soviet.
            I will say on this when I GET time.
            For interested readers, if you understand Arabic, please listen to Ahmed Alqeysi 16 part series on EPRP and IA (A-Z). The point is: it’s not productive to spend time on stuff that is out. A couple of points, and I hope you don’t tell me you were more insider than Alqeysi:
            Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam MS,

            No need to feel obligated to continue this thread or respond to me if you have other tasks you need to attend to. I will be around in the coming days.

            I have to be frank with you that I found your latest response to be very contradictory. I will fully share with you why I think you are still tiptoeing around the issues I have raised.

          • Selamat MS,

            Gheteb was selected to be in the know and be part of the EPRP for a brief time, roughly Six to Eight months time. He was selected to go to the EPLF cadre school and read Franz Fanon’s Wretched of The Earth. True, he has enormous capacity to memorize and ace all his academic exams. One reason for his selection. The other was, IA and the EPRP needed to fill an open position to fill for the purposes of painting the diversity of the EPLF top leadership. Unfortunately, ገተብ ሓሞት ተጋደልቲ / ህዝባዊ ሰራዊት ኣይተውህቦኡን ኮይና ጸኒሓ። He tucked his tail and crossed the border. This trait of love for self or narcisism, to borrow his word, followed him all the way to the West….. …. …. pitty, because he does possess a terrabite capacity for memory. Applications and analysis though ABSOLUTE ZERO!

            ጻጸ

          • ‘Gheteb

            Tsa Tse,

            On the one hand you said that ” I will not embarrass you here in this forum” and here you are regurgitating your patently false and totally made-up stories about me.

            But that is well and dandy as I perfectly understand your personality trait. You are the type who wants to have his cake and eat it too. One side of your brain wants to be hip with your ‘hommies’ in the hood, but the other side of your brain aches to show off the “corporate side” of your aspirations.

            Hint: Go back and check the photo where you were donning a three piece suit in what seems like an ocean of black folks dressed casual and dressed black. Does that ring a bell, Tsa Tse? Yes, my friend you ain’t fooling anyone here.

            If you are thinking what you write here is an example of “Application and Analysis”, I am sorry to let you know that I consider it nothing more than a product of the ghetto graffiti that you are seemingly so marinated in.

          • Gheteb,

            That was a photo of a theater play. All actors were in costume. My donning a suit was not by choice. The name of the play is Code Black.
            Now, as for my not embarrasing you here, I stand by it. Because it will debunk everything you have written with regards to IA. And you know it. What I have written to MS is the factual length of time you were “in the know.” I suppose I can provide him the dates/years you were in the know and he may loosen up and provide “the names. ” Forget about the “embarassing part.” ሕውነትና ይዓቢ። But please stop your bombastic style and fanatisism. Look forward and be solution oriented.
            ጻጸ

          • ‘Gheteb

            Tsa Tse,

            No, it was not a theater play. I think it was a birthday! Like a birthday of someone who is lying through the gaps of his teeth about ‘Gheteb was in the know or being a member of the EPRP. You think you are going to make this story which a pure white lie and walk scot free? No way. I will challenge you until your withdraw your baseless claims.

            Please, MS doesn’t need your help. He has so far failed to substantiate all his assertions and that is why he is dragging his feet and nothing else. I believe that he knows nothing more than a bunch hearsays and gossips he heard from some anti-Isaias corners in the EPLF.

            About my views on “IA” why don’t you go ahead and “debunk” what I have so far written. The field is wide open as in እነሃለ ፍረስ፣ እነሃለ ሜዳ. Quit your empty threats, and bring on whatever it is that you think will “debunk” what I have written so far.

          • Gheteb,

            You threw the stone from your glass house. You insulted my feliow clasmates and ብጾት ቀያሕቲ ዕምበባ: And yes together, we decided to return to curtail the Sixth Offensive. Ask Semere RuEsom about ጻጸ’ስ Eight Month, when you visit Keren and Asmara next. አቶም ካብ ኣማኢ ሒደት ዝጠቐስክዎም ዝተሰዉኡ ኣብ ሻድሻይ ወራርን ደሕሪኡን ዘመርቲ ቆልዑ ኢልካ ኣናኢስካዮም። አንቋዕ ኣነ ዘለኹ ስላኦምን ሳላ ኣሽሓት ጀጋኑ ናቕፋ፡ ሓቀኛ ዛንታኦም ን መጻኢት ወለዶ ኤርትራ ብጽሑፍ ክነግር። ቅደም ግን፡ ናይቶም ዘዳናግሩ፡ ታሪኽ ናቕፋ ከም መሳርያ ሃንዲሶም፡ አነ በዓል ገተብ ፈተውቲ ነብሶም፡ ይወድኡ፡ ይሓንክኽዋ ልብ ወለድ ግዝየኣ ዘብቀዐት ፈተነኦም።

            As for your personal cowardice and duplucity, አንታይ ገዲሱኒ ኣብ ወጠጦ ኣሉታዊ ቆይቂ፡ ሰሓቦ ዋጥጦ ዝኣቱ ምሳኻ። I told you earlier, I am rather concerned with greater importance matters these days. And till this day, I do value our Yesteryear brotherhood inspite of….
            I suggest you back up and humble your self HOMIE!!!

            And the corporate latter, my dear old friend I reached the Acme and left willingly. Ask your cuz Saay7. Narcisist oh me oh my…

            AmEritrean GitSAtSE

          • ‘Gheteb

            Tsa Tse,

            If you think that the Naqfa narrative is solely about the sixth offensive and a score of Red flowers who you are claiming to have “curtailed” this offensive, then your narcissism has given to a full blown ego mania. My friend, in 1982, I was in Khartoum., heading to Cairo, Egypt and don’t you ever think that I was residing in some planet in a far far away galaxy.

            FYI, the Naqfa narrative encompasses more than the 6th offensive, probably about seven full-fledged military offensives. So, quit trying to making into something that it wasn’t. I dare you to write a comment or a note of more than six paragraphs in LEGIBLE English about the Naqfa narrative that is not “ቅደም ግን፡ ናይቶም ዘዳናግሩ፡ ታሪኽ ናቕፋ ከም መሳርያ ሃንዲሶም፡ አነ በዓል ገተብ ፈተውቲ ነብሶም፡ ይወድኡ፡ ይሓንክኽዋ ልብ ወለድ ግዝየኣ ዘብቀዐት ፈተነኦም”.

            Write “the true Naaqfa narrative”. I bet you that even one syllable that you write will survive the withering critique that your sophomoric renditions will surely engender.

            Again, you are saying that, ” I am rather concerned with greater importance matters these days”. If that is the case, then why do you keep mentioning ‘Gheteb in almost everything you write about? Why are bringing me up and asserting about stuff that you can never back up. I remember you saying something about ‘Ghetebs “trauma” and what have you.

            I have never mentioned you in any of my comments, however I am aware of your snide remarks, side attacks and barbs. Remember that because I have not opted in responding in kind to your remarks, I will and can massively retaliate if I see the need of it.

            You said that “the corporate latter, my dear old friend I reached the Acme and left willingly”. I have NEVER asked you whether you reached the acme or the bottom of the corporate ladder ( not latter). Tell it to someone who may be impressed, but not me for I know precisely your personality traits and how you think. Sorry, NOT impressed at all!

        • ‘Gheteb

          iSem,

          As you have been inditing ad infinitum in all your rejoinders to me, I have discreetly told you that what you have been upchucking in your desultory comments does not add even a scintilla of information to the challenges I have been posing to MS, Dawit Mesfin and others regarding this issue.

          Your attempt of trying to derail the challenges I am posing here by bringing extraneous issues is not lost to me and your ad hominem attacks against me are quite a dime dozen to mention here.

          As I have told you for the umpteenth time, I am going to repeat what I have discreetly told you before. Rumor mills generated and Toronto Tim Hortons Klatches induced utterly jaundiced “narratives” neither merit any thorough rebuttal from my side, nor will they add even a dab to the ongoing Naqfa narrative.

          From the way you write and think, it behooves you to consider enrolling in an intermediate ESL (English as a second language) in Toronto for I know that they are still offering them gratis.

          You are threatening to expose me? Go ahead what is holding you back. I have challenged you to come out in the open. I have put the $50,000 USD bet or wager from which you and your Godfather, Amanuel Hidrat, have run away with your tails neatly tugged between your legs. FYI, ‘Gheteb does not cower nor shudder amid your minatory messages.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Nahmuday,

      My urban colleague Dr. Eyob G/luel, when he met ELF fighters, in the highland of kebessa, he discussed about the ideology of the two organizations, they came to a common understanding. This is what he said: “there is no ideological difference between the two organizations except they differ in the way they Practice it” which became the fate for his death, among other things. The bloody civil war was simply for control and domination the armed struggle. Hence if there were not tolerance in the field, one could not expect when the full power is weilded to one organization and as such dictated by a single man. Believe me Mahmuday, even if he didn’t jailed his colleagues the political discourse of a single party wouldn’t change, if they disallowed ELFites

      • MS

        Selam Emma
        “The cry should be then not now, because the rule of one party will always ended up to dictatorship of one man.”
        WRONG and WRONG simply because people were pushing for a better end of the journey, they paid or are paying with their lives. Now, please do your part.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mahmuday,

          Mahmuday arkey, Is attacking DIA really for purposes to settle old grudges?I thougt you are done with him when I read your recent comments. What makes you to be angry from my comment? Is that because I said the rule of a single party always ended up with dictatorship? Isn’t it fact? Well we are trapped with a dictator and Eritrea is bleeding under his rule especially our young generation.

          Second, I participated all my entire adulthood in the struggled either as organizer in cities or in the front during the armed struggle, and as we speak now, even in my late age, I am trying to contribute with my limited capacity to the current struggle how ever weak we are. What do you want me to do at this age? Really you want me to carry a gun at this age? I think when you are angry you lose your reasoning. My friend I have done my share how ever limited it was for this nation to be born – a nation that denies all my rights – as a matter of fact to all Eritreans. So a man who lost all his rights and who fight to restore his rights will not fight to settle his grudges. My friend I am fighting to regain my rights as a citizen even at late of my age till my last breath. My advice to you is avoid bragging. Because you happen to be on the winning side in our civil war, it does not mean you brought peace and tranquility to our people.

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            There is nothing I brag about, I never bragged, I never felt I was on the victrious side of the civil war. Since I started participating in this forum, I made it clear the civil war a tragedy; I have told yout time and agin that belong to both of us; you just missed a comment that I made a few hours ago….I can do on and on. So, I’m on a safe ground.
            a/ Look at the staement quoted, and tell me what it implies. You are telling me as if people have not paid dearly to correct the situation.
            b/ I don’t know why the brouhaha about me changing my mind. I have always said what I’m saying. A year or two the same issue of lionizing IA WAS DISCUSSED in this forum, and I put the same argument. I remember saying the steadfastness and sacrifices of Eritreans carried IA to Asmara, not the otherway around. So, I have no idea why you are so excited.
            c/ I will always emphasize the collectivce contribution of Eritreans (check out my comment addressed to SemereT and all). I will oppose narration that makes EPLF=IA, attributing EPLF’s unmatched contribution in order to lionize IA. I will aso oppose a narration that depicts EPLF=IA in order to demonize EPLF by puting emphasis on PFDJ’s rule. The reason why I want ELF’s history narated is not because I believe its leadership was superb, but because I separate my opinion on its leadership from that which I have about the front. My utter disgust on IA is not new, and if you think I’m ditching EPLF, you are wrong. I’m of the opinion that we should look forward. That does not mean we should let our history be mutilated by both sides.
            Regards.

          • sara

            Dear mahmoday,
            I like it when you tell it as is as most eitreans should feel…. “Jebha (ELF)belongs to all of us”… indeed ELF its part of our history and our sewra (liberation struggle) or gedli eritrea… if there wasn’t ELF- shaebia (EPLF) wouldn’t be born… and all those who made shaebia to be shaebia are originally from jebah (ELF) that is the truth and we have to celebrate it and be proud of it.
            its unfortunate in our drive to degrade or fight the current government we are tarnishing
            our glorious gedli history and by assaulting EPLF and its contribution to the liberation of our country. the worst is our original organization the great ELF is totally forgotten or dismissed
            as if there was non, all what is discussed narrated is all about EPLF history whether good or bad. I wish those who are on the know also come forward and they bring ELFs contribution its faults ,successes towards the current predicament we think we are the same as done about EPLF and PFDJ. i am afraid if we continue this way we will not have the history of eritrean struggle fully covered and thought to the new generation… at least through this medium.
            what do you say?

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman, Mahmoud and sara,

            One thing that gives me personal gratification is when I read in puts that seem hopelessly diverge at the beginning but sober down to converge on the main picture. This is the core value of meaningful debate differences for common end. This is what I detect the exchanges among you.
            Regards

          • MS

            Ahlan Sara
            Indeed, it’s a travesty of justice. Personally, I have always felt that leaving out the history of ELF was wrong. I spoke with some people, and they tell me that even the mention of ELF is in ones own peril. Ama is OK, though. Wuthout ELF taking its place, the history of the Eritrean struggle is half-baked. The media is run by PFDJ, and as you know PFDJ has not been kind even to the history of the EPLF. Events are twisted to suit the narrative that only one man stands out; historic figures and artists are taken out altogether. The beauticians of IA are busy making sure nothing passes unchecked. It’s sad.

  • Dear Abraham H.,

    I do not think that identify-complex alone can explain his behavior. One should add to the equation the brain and the environment as well. Of course, there could be other factors too.

    A researcher who said that he studied the brain of dictators wrote that their brain scan is slightly different from that of other people. He added that the percentage of would-be dictators in the society is not small, by including those who support dictators, small time bullies and those who manifest anti-social behavior under certain circumstances .
    He said that brain scans showed that certain part of their brain, especially the region that inhibits (controls) aggressiveness, callousness, egoism, generally anti-social behavior are not well developed. I do not know if there was another study to support or refute this finding.

    Now, on top of this add the environment. He flunked at aau – had nowhere to go but to join the feild – goes to mao, s china during the cultural revolution when desenters were humiliated and murdered in front of other people – takes a good lesson and returns to the feild – undermines elf and forms eplf – liquidates those around him and becomes the sole master – the slogan becomes “he is us and we are him” – he is made to feel that he is caesar, the earthly god, the reverted dictator – the rest is history.

    For a short period of time, he felt he was the master of the horn and the only woyane who ruled from both capitals. Eritrea is a small pond for a big fish like him, and he is extremely angry with her.

    • Abi

      Hi Horizon
      IA was a recruit of Haileselassie to destroy ELF. He was chosen because of two major reasons
      1 he is more Ethiopian than Eritrean
      2 he is from the feudal family
      Did he go to China right after AAU? No . He was hanging around Kangew station meeting with the Americans.

      He was the only sane person in the mad revolution that was solely based on the Eritreans hate towards everybody else. To make it worse, they were on his way from becoming king of both countries. He is a vengeful person to forgive their collective sins. People can give any excuses for his behavior. Eritreans prohibited him from becoming the biggest fish in the bigger pond. Now he is relegated to making mini ponds instead of Grand Dams. It is Meles name on the Grand Dam not IA. It is a sin.
      In one of the interviews discussed here Isayas Afewerki called little weyane as ” goblel ” ( Saay thanks for your help in transition).
      He wanted to be that goblel except his people got in his way. What a sin!

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Abi,

        I think your explanation makes a lot more sense about Isayas and his actions. I also believe he was spying for Ethiopia while he was in Asmara before he went to AAU. He has probably a hand in the arrests / exposing one of the cells where Sium Harestay and others were arrested.

        I think a small correction, he went to ELF right after AAU. He was meeting the Americans in Kagnew after he split from ELF or when he was in Ala. you know the meeting he attended with Abraham and on their return he said he was killed by Ethiopians and he made it safe. But he probably killed him to keep the meeting secret.

        And the joke was he called his son Abraham in his honour.

        Knowing what this guy is capable of doing now, there is no doubt that he was playing Eritreans all his life.

        Another point, I don’t he cares much for the people of Tigray either

        Berhe

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Berhe,

          You have been everywhere, in bars, at HSI University, in Ala, you even know why Isaias called his son Abraham. Listen, why don’t you put all your wisdom in a book format? It could be a best seller.

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Simon,

            There is a already a book written by Tesfamichael Georgio who organized the meeting with the Americans.

            He didn’t publish the book and he was living in Addis Abeba, until Eritrea independence.

            The first order from Isayas was to have him assassinated and he was killed outside his house.

            You will read the book when his family decided to publish it.

            Berhe

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe,

            Why wait? Publish your best seller.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Simon K., it was indeed after Abraham Tewelde that Isayas named his son. Isayas told this to someone who was his close associate, Mohamad Birhan Blata. There is a video that Saay linked a few days ago in this thread.

          • iSem

            Hi Abraham:
            No, IA did not name his son after Abrhama Tewede. Yes MBB said that. IA named his son after his grad father, do not be fooled. If Abraham T was alive he would most likely face the fate of Tewelde Eyob

          • Abraham H.

            Semere, actually deep inside I don’t believe there is anyone in this world that Isayas admires, so you have a good point there.

          • iSem

            Hi Abraham:
            You make a better point. Have you ever heard IA give eulogy to his dead friends? Saleh gave Gheteb a good advice by relating how cold Moa was
            I will tell you an other story when Saied Barreh, a former political office member and veteran fighter died and they were holding the funeral IA was huddled, joking around with his friends, and the families were nearvy crying and IA looked back at the Woldemichael G and pointed his finger and told him loudly that next it is him and everyone burst in laughter
            So I ask Semerer T, can we strip someone of his Eritrean citizenship for indecency?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            You have second best memory next to Abi. Do you remember the event where he went to funeral of Aboy Woldeab and he said nothing, and after all the Eulogy was read, while he was driving back he said something to undermine his contribution.

            We read it somewhere or heard the interview but I don’t recall.

            On similar note, I haven’t heard the interview of MBB. What was the reason he was spared the arrest unlike the rest of the G15. I don’t believe because he rescinded…if that was the reason, because Isayas never forgive anyone.

            Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            No, I have better memory than Abi, second to Saleh Gadi, Abi is trailing third, he is selective:-)
            And I also beat Saleh Younis, because he fakes bad memory;-)
            Now about WELWEl, IA did not say anything about him, I just commented when we watched the funeral was putting laying the flowers he dropped them carelessly, kind of throwing it to crash the casket
            The thing you are taking about is what his Security guard, who defected in Dubai mentioned and it was bout Tegadalai idris Golawdios, who was one of the founders of Ghedli and I think he was one of the guys who sent rookie IA to China and became the drafter of the const. When he died, after the funeral IA said, ‘hanti aygebern ezi…”, this guy did nothing, he is a loser

          • Abraham H.

            Hi iSem, ኢሳያስ ደኣ ዘይ ናይ ኣመሉ ዝገበረ፣ ናይቶም ዝስሕቁ ድኹማት ፍጥረታት ደኣ ገደደ እምበር

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam iSem

            “So I ask Semerer T, can we strip someone of his Eritrean citizenship for indecency?”

            No one – not a government, not an institution, not an individual in a position of power, could strip citizenship of an Eritrean. You could strip only his/her privileges.

            But I would love to strip your citizenship for your indecency 🙂

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            Hi Semere T
            I like Eritrean citizenship law. Where do I find it? I’m interested if it has a clause in dual citizenship? You sound like you are an authority in this regard.
            Yeqenyeley Ayay.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Senere,
            Ehm! A citizen is defined by his rights and privileges as a citizen. Will a citizen still be considered a citizen by you if he is stripped of his citizenship?

            I considered myself a citizen until “our beloved PFDJ” regime denied me a passport and I had to settle in the USA. I became stateless, menining a non-citizen. Do you believe I am still a citizen to those ruling Eritrea since we are talking about rights attached to a citizen? Do you agree that stateless means a citizen of no-country?

        • iSem

          Hi BY:
          minor correction, Abarham T did not attend the meeting in Kagew, I think you are thinking of Habtesslassie

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi Abi,

        The TPLFites knew his charcter and his ambition better than we Eritreans. They blocked his ambition from being “Arha Kerni Africa” not us Eritreans by any measure. When his ego is wounded and is afflicted by obsessive compulsive disorder, the Eritrean people become the target of his wrath and anger. Unfortunately this is precisely the reality of Issayas conditions and the predicament of Eritrean people. But sooner or later we will overcome him.

        • Haile S.

          Hi Amanuel,
          The bucket of water you just poured happened to be full of oil:) 🙂

  • Selamat Ato Dawit Mesfin and Awate Forum,

    “When I think of Nakfa I think of Omar Sefaf, the veteran fighter who joined the independence struggle in 1966. During the Nadew offensive he was the Battalion Commander within 13th Brigade, 61st Division. His fellow combatants tell stories of how he fell in Harat Harmaz, mountainous area of Sahel.”

    When I think of Nakfa, I think of WeiniHareg, Awet, Amanuel Berhe (Haw Musie Berhe)- Deki Khartum, Nebiat (Gual Kuwait)…………..

    And I thank you from the heart and mind Dawit for your recognition and resurrection of “Filmawit ade nay moral nay tesfa.. bokhri SaHil Abay Nakfa” !!! I will repeat it again and again, nearly a decade and a half ago, your pertinent points and timely reminder was argued a hundred of times in this very forum, only for those records to be “discarded” and after numerous futile attempts to be COPIED and presented as own’s original ideas or foresight for yet another permutation and favorable choice of re positioning for self.

    IA and his historical legacy is neither the issue nor the clear and present danger for Eritrea as well as Ethiopia.

    Earlier, I called out ONLY Two individuals as the creators and or co conspirators of this new phenomena that endangers positive progress for the Two Nation States that deserve peace prosperity and tranquility with mutually equal respect for one another. As the Independent Eritreea and Ethiopia and their entire population has paid incalculable and very large price and equally by all of their two nationalities. On the horizon is a deservedly bright future for these Two Nations Peoples and the greedy and opportunists are weaving the greatest of all cons and evils deceiving the malformed so that they can loot even moreif not all of the wealth from their rightful owners.

    Mr. Dawit Mesfin’s conclusion is missed by miles by the majority of pundits here with and with out intent due to their BLIND SPOT that is as significant for Eritrea and Ethiopia as the Hubble Fixed Gaze is. Both in dire need repair for their significance. I will there for quote Dawit Mesfin blew, and I urge you all to pull out your dictionaries and examine word and strive for an unbiased and scholarly deciphering of his NOW initiative STATEMENT:

    “The spell of Nakfa will not, and cannot be broken by such distractions. As the detractors are horsing around with Tigrai-Tigrigni aspirations. which sterile in nature and a gift to PFDJ. aspirations to detoxify its proponents is a waste of time.”

    TO DETOXIFY ITS PROPONENTS INDEED. Though I respectfully will disagree by stating that EVIL STRIVES AND LIVES TO WASTE TIME AND BE WASTEFUL. Perhaps Dawit Mesfun will clarify what he means by “a waste of time.”

    As for the detractors who are diverging the above Eritrean and Ethiopian call of duty with their IA hero V goat jargon, I will leave them for now with Tthis from Paul Woodruff’s Introduction of Thucydides — ON JUSTICE POWER AND HUMAN NATURE:

    “Thucydides wrote in literary tradition in which irony was the norm: every tragedy magnifies the glory of its hero before showing how his mistakes and character defects bring him down. This is not authorial praise for the hero, but rather a device for placing the hero in a moral context in which his fall is best explained: if a character knows more, or has more power, than is fitting for a human being, an Athenian audience knew is doom is near.” And so, Gheteb (35 Cents machine coffee 😉 and Co.. your aiming wrong.

    As General Thucydides, the closest thus far in the discussions is “The Best” MS, though… And As for Saay7 my personal Frmajo Captain… Weapon X Wolverines prophesy was only Their #7 seed in these days of March Madness. Ask the Pillar FAB5.

    AmEritrean GitSAtSE Agnieya Azilo40 Children Books Press

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Gashe GitSAtSe Solomon,
      Your are extremely good when you decide to be at your best. This time Thucydides said it for what you thousands of years ago, and once upon a time I remember it was Khalid Jibran. About what Dawit Mesfun’s meaning of “a waste of time.”, I thought he meant to say “ab zeysemaka debri aytmahlel” or may be something near it.
      Regards

      • Dawit Mesfin

        Selam Ismail and GitSAtSE,

        To bring the History of the Peloponnesian War in this discussion, an extraordinarily dense and complex history which depicts the rivalry between Athens and Sparta, is quite fascinating. The account, in which Thucydides did not allow the Greek Gods to play roles in his work, is an example of the cerebral power that exists within this forum.

        The comments I have been reading, at the risk of sounding lofty, are overwhelming and humbling, to say the least. In fact, I had to go back to my friend, Saleh J. Gadi, for help – to untangle the confusion I have been experiencing under these circumstances. He told me that we are a passionate people; ‘we care much about our country’, he reiterated. ‘Our passion and our goodwill, qualities the government unwisely gambled away, is what have infuriated Eritreans from all walks of life’ he said. How true!

        The incisive comments of friends such as Ismail AA, the well-articulated thoughts of MS and the Semeres, the fluency of the mercurial Sal Younis, the inexhaustible comments that have come from actors such as Hayat, Abraham H., Abi, Nitricc, Simon K, Gheteb, Amanuel H., Horizon and many more, who are dealing with issues that mean a great deal to them, is quite an experience. The forum is a reminder not only we are blood-brothers, but also the need to accept contradictions that exist within us.

        The Nakfa story may be viewed and interpreted in many different ways. The issues I wanted to tap into emanated from the need to stop those who are doing someone else’s bidding by sabotaging our historical upbringing. However, that very blood-painting which depicts the Den-Den mountain overlooking the Hedai Valley on one side and Rora Habab on the other, is an imposing image which represents the story of Eritrea to me. As we moved from guns to government we were unjustly short changed. Instead of making Nakfa a pivotal episode of our lives the government turned it into a disaster.

        I believe the justice seeking people of Eritrea will be vindicated one day. However, we have a lot to forgive, and a lot to remember to make Nakfa work for us.

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Dawit,
          It take two for tango as is popularly said. The thoughtful choice of the topic that epitomized the gains and losses that cemented, through long arduous national endeavor, what began as fragile common destiny that colonial legacy had bequeathed to us, on the one hand; and on the other, the relentless effort of determined Eritreans who had invested everything they could to establish a unique website (from Eritrean point of view) and open forum available to make out of ourselves “blood-brothers” in diversity, and to freely express our differences and agreements for bolstering our unity that is crucial for reclaiming the meanings and values Nakfa as well as the hunderds of Nakfas before and after it had represented.
          Regards

        • ‘Gheteb

          Selam Dawit Mesfin,

          From where I stand, it is not that you sounding “lofty” or ‘toff’, as you Brits would put it, that is nauseatingly mindboggling, but the fact that you keep repeating the same unproven and controvertibly dubious assertion when you indite ad nauseam thusly:

          ” Instead of making Nakfa a pivotal episode of our lives the government turned it into a disaster”.

          Sir, you have heretofore provided not a speck of countenancing narratives nor a dab of evidentiary accounts to buttress your towering and colossal accusation you have been lodging against the Government of Eritrea for ” making Nakfa a pivotal episode of our lives the government turned it into a disaster”.

          What is sorely missing is accounts and narratives that backs up your claims. So, sir, do you mind raising up to the challenge that right in front of you and defend your claims?

    • Nitricc

      Hey TsaTse; whenever I hear Nakfa, Berhe Tsaeda comes to my mind. I don’t even know how he looks like but hearing his name and his contribution in protecting in a battle of Nakfa , he comes to mind whenever I hear or read about Nakfa.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Nitricc,

        While you are mentioning someone named Berhe Tsaeda, who, by all accounts, is one of the EPLF heroes in the Eritrean armed struggle, Tsa Tse is mentioning names just to show that he is also in the know, by mentioning kids who were singing songs in Khartoum as members of EPLFs Red Flower ( Keyahti Embaba) troupe without even bothering to tell us what their role has been in the Naqfa narrative.

        Why Tsa Tse didn’t bother about all this? I will tell you that the man is known to helplessly wallow in and indulge intemperately and superfluously in self-induced NARCISSISM. That this assertion that I am making here is the closest reflection of the persona otherwise known as Tsa Tse, I have absolutely no doubt about it.

        • Gheteb,

          Those I have mentioned have paid the ultimate sacrifice. Your stupidity and cowardice and duplicity will be exposed soon enough. I am only allowing you to lengthen your rope of embarasing doom!

          tSAtSE

          • ‘Gheteb

            Tsa Tse,

            You have failed to provide any accounts to show the role of these individuals in the Naqfa narrative. Ergo, my conclusion that you just mentioned to show that you are in the know. That is an inescapable logical conclusion that any a sentient and sane person has to make.

            You said that, “Those I have mentioned have paid the ultimate sacrifice”. I riposte to that, so did hundred of thousands of Eritreans ‘paid the ultimate price’. You are resorting to an appeal of emotions here and this surely is a case of you committing a logical fallacy known as “argumentum ad passiones”.

            You are within your right to call me “STUPID”, “DUPLITIOUS”, “COWARD” and what have you as you go about exposing me soon and you can add even more imprecations if that will make your job of exposing ‘Gheteb that much easier. Godspeed and I wish you success in your endeavor.

        • Haile S.

          Hi Gheteb,
          I have a question for you. Why do you use those innocent ቀያሕቲ ዕንበባ to catapult your defense against XaXe. Couldn’t you have used a straight answer instead? ቀያሕቲ ዕንበባ served the struggle with all the force they had, their breath; and in many capacities thereafter including sacrifice. I am sure you will agree with me, it is good to add a good dose of sensitivity when we talk of those who gave their precious for the motherland; all without distinction. I feel goose pumps all over me when I think of all the superb & brilliant schoolmates I had and who never made it. And I don’t want to have the slightest doubt you don’t.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Haile S.,

            I have neither brought ” those innocent ቀያሕቲ ዕንበባ” to the ongoing discussion of the Naqfa narrative nor do I have anything against them. I am even more surprised that you saw the need to go on a pontification spree here to talk about the role of the EPLF Red Flowers and ” the superb & brilliant schoolmates I had and who never made it”.

            My friend the issue is how does any individual or individuals role fit on the Naqfa narrative? What was their role and contribution to it? That is the gist of my commentaries. Otherwise, peeling off tangent and irrigating superfluous red herring issues here does add even a bit to the ongoing discussion or debate.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Gheteb,
            Naqfa is a symbol of resistance. And all form of resistance counts and matters.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Haile S.,

            Making such a broad and overgeneralized statement did not answer the question I have posed for you to address. I am sorry for I don’t fall for such overgeneralizations nor do I view them as logically coherent assertion.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Gheteb,
            What was your question precisely? Xaxe listed some of his precious wherever they were stationed. And to defend yourself you summarily referred to them “kids who were singing songs in Khartoum as members of EPLFs Red Flower ( Keyahti Embaba)”. I am not going to go listing the role and contribution of Xaxe’s precious list as I don’t know about them. My issue with what you said is you referring to them as ቀያሕቲ ዕንበባ as if ቀያሕቲ ዕንበባ is last category in the list of the struggle for the motherland. On generalization, the general lesson we gather from Naqfa is the precisely its general symbol and it is the subject of discussion here. Listen, as to the detail on roles of individuals, I will leave it to the gallants who really took part in it; there are some in this forum. I have never been an
            active player in the struggle for Eritrean independence; a passive receiver of the blows, for sure. My real interrogation on your response to Xaxe was the question of sensitivity, nothing more nothing less, that is why I talked my superb classmates.

          • Gheteb,

            They say those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Fortunately for you, I am rather more concerned with more important matters. That you do also add value to these discussions with your antagonism makes me choose to have you around than chasing you to permanent self exile. To be selected into the EPLF cadre school for quota purposes does not make you in the know. It is you verocious appetite for Eritrea as well as reading and memorizing facts and vocabulary that contributes to your in the know….( A. Einstein MD PhD.)
            And be careful with your nonchelant attitudes of the REAL heros of Nakfa. ወልዋል!

            ጻጸ

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Tsa Tse,

            Leaving aside your meandering blather for now, can you tell me more what you are mumbling about here.

            ” To be selected into the EPLF cadre school for quota purposes does not make you in the know”. What quota purposes are you talking about, anyway? How can any sane person make such an assertion is indeed a reflection of your navel-gazing narcissism and nothing more, given the fact that you were neither present with me in those years nor do you possess the capacity to make a sober assessment.

            You also saying that “me choose to have you around than chasing you to permanent self exile”. Oh, what a delusion of grandeur you are manifesting here. But don’t try to wiggle out now from your adventures of exposing ‘Gheteb by offering mere excuses for a lame cop-out.

            ወይ ሰብ ዘይምፍላጥ!

            Please, you do not have the slightest INKLING about the “REAL” heroes of Naqfa. None whatsoever. And, if you did, you would have barfed it here through your ghettoized and ILLEGIBLE writings here in this Forum a long time ago.

          • ገተብ፡

            ግዝይኡ ሓልዩ መን ምዃንካ ክትፈልጥ፡ ንጥቕምኻ፡ ገሊጸ ክሕግዘካ ኢየ።

            ጻጸ

          • ‘Gheteb

            Tsa Tse,

            What? In your navel-gazing narcissism you had an afflatus that is spurring you to make this insensate assertion. You are going to explain to me, in due time (ግዝይኡ ሓልዩ), about my personal interest (ጥቕምኻ)? Man, you have irretrievably fallen into the deep seas of self-induced narcissism.

            Tell you what, Tsa Tse? Your futile flailing from the deep-sea of narcissism is pathetic. Your Tigrigna is equally ILLEGIBLE as your ghettoized English.

          • Gheteb,

            How many times can you say narcissism? ከይ ቀደሙኻ ገስሞም አንዲኻ ጌርካያ። ፈታው ነብሱ ከም ዝኾነ ሓደ ካብቲ ክስኻ ኣቐዲሙ ተረዲኡካ። I will give you መርዓዲ። ከይትሃድመኒ ግና። ( ሂንት፡ “ሕቶ? ናይ ምንታይ ሕቶ? ናይ ተመሃሮ።) Do you know how you can tell Gheteb the bully of the forum lately is nervous? He is using words like: navel-gazing, afflatus, spurring, insensate, flailing etc… Come to think of it, just so that my vocab grows every time you comment, I will not embarass you here in this forum. As I said before, you do add significant value to the Eritrean discussions because others are forced to search and give honest and logical answers to your challenges. You are safe on this side. For now anyway. ኣይትሰኣን ዝሓወይ።

            AmEritrean GitSAtSE Agnieya Azilo40 Children Books Press

          • ‘Gheteb

            Tsa Tse,

            You say:

            ” Do you know how you can tell Gheteb the bully of the forum lately is nervous? He is using words like: navel-gazing, afflatus, spurring, insensate, flailing etc.”.

            ” Gheteb the bully”? Now you must really be fatuously off your rocker. Where and when have you observed ‘Gheteb, the lone ranger of this Forum, bullying anyone? Can you provide an example to prove your allegation.

            Truth is, I have been on the receiving end of an unremitting ad hominem attacks for years now coming from dyed-in-the-wool Abyssinian fundamentalists and their Eritrean fellow travelers, without saying nothing of all the vicious attacks on my persona by all the flaming anti-PFDJ/GoE gadflies.

      • MS

        Selam Nitrickay
        The reason why I get irritated when people give IA full credit while failing to mention events in their fullest state could be explained by the likes of Berhe Tsaeda. By the way Nakfa has eaten many Berehe Tsedas. Anyway, he was from the founders of the EPLF, I saw him one time after the 1st organizational congress of the EPLF, in 1977. At the time of his death, he was a battalion commander. Battalion was the highest military unit at that time. I think he was short, he had a leather baseball cap, extremely white teeth, and that’s why they called him Berhe Tsaeda, otherwise he was dark skinned. He commanded the 3rd battalion (beTeloni seleste), and SebHat Ephrem was his deputy. Beteloni seleste arrived from the highlands to participate in the final liberation of Nakfa, and he was among the heroes that Nakfa cost us. Many equally heroes fell in the next 13 years until the cloud of danger was finally made to disappear through the operation that overrun the Nadew Command in 1988.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam iSem

    1. – “It is not just ancestral link, IA is half Tigray, everyone knows that”

    How is Isaias Afewerki “half Tigray”? That is a pure lie? If you believe you’re right could you elaborate on that? But, but, but…..

    What if he is a first generation from Tigrayan ancestry? Would that make you more of an Eritrean than the man who served his whole life for Eritrea – simply because of the length of your line of genealogy?

    Honestly, if I’ve to choose between you a “100% Eritrean” who’ve done nothing for Eritrea, and Isaias Afewerki “a half Tigrayan” who who have served Eritrea all his life, made a lot of mistakes in the way –

    I SURE WILL CHOOSE MY HALF TIGRAYAN ERITREAN ERITREAN BROTHER EVERY TIME.

    People who believe such nonsense are insecure themselves. When I was Tegadalay I was teaching Tegadeltis and Ghebar to rid themselves from such insecurities. Why do I believe people with such beliefs are insecure? Because we had Tegadeltis that were half Italians, because we had Tegadeltis that were half Yemenis, because we had Tegadeltis who were half Sudanese, and because we had Tegadeltis that were half Tigreans and Amaras.

    And guess what: not only the half Italians, the half Sudanese, the half Yemenis were fully comfortable about their genealogy, but also the “pure Eritreans” like you (Semere Andom) considered these half Eritreans – at a higher level when they talked about them.

    But to those who had a Tigrean or Amara origin, the story was different. They were degrading them exactly like what you’re doing to Isaias Afewerki now. But, people like you, I never heard them complaining about Wedi Vaccaro(?) when he attempted to lead the good for nothing Eritrean opposition. And I wouldn’t have been surprised, if people like you in the Eritrean opposition, who trash Isaias Afewerki for his fifth generation Tigrayan origoin – just because of his Italian heritage, rallied behind him (Wedi Vaccaro) and worshiped him like god sent to them from heaven.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Abi

      ከመይ ወንድም አማች
      Did you notice you are basically supporting Sem A. This is what you proudly said
      “For those who had Tigrean or Amhara origin, the story was different. They were degrading them..”.
      That means, in your own words, the half Tigrean IA was degraded by the Fool Eritreans.
      IA was holding grudges and now he is making every fool Eritrean pay for it.
      What a mass madness!!

      ያንን ሆዳም አማራ አቃጥሎ መሞቅ ነበር!! አሰዳቢ

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Abi

        “That means, in your own words, the half Tigrean IA was degraded by the Fool Eritreans.”

        Abi: as they say “there is ALWAYS a bad apple in every bunch” – even among Ethiopians. If the case was what you believe to be, Isaias Afewerki wouldn’t have accomplished what you’re witnessing today.

        Isaias Afewerki, not only he lead the Eritrean revolution to victory (against all odds), but also, whether one agrees with him or not, he has shaped Eritrea in every way, for the next one hundred years.

        You don’t see such accomplishments from someone who is rejected and degraded by his people.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Abraham H.

          Semere T, Isayas Afwerki did NOT achieve anything. It was the Eritrean people through thier sacrifices and hard work, that they achieved the unbelievable. Whatever Isayas had done, you see it today in his absoulte fiefdom of Eritrea which is basically a hopeless ruin.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Abraham H.

            “It was the Eritrean people through thier sacrifices and hard work, that they achieved the unbelievable.”

            That is true. But people don’t make miracles by themselves. People do miracles if they are lead by competent leaders with a clear vision – which the Eritrean opposition is lacking.

            For every social victory you see in the world, there is a competent core leadership that lead (steered) its people to victory. Nothing happens by accident.

            Semere Tesfai

        • Abi

          Hi Semere T
          Sorry, busy right now. Talk to you later.

        • Abi

          Hi Ayay Semere T
          This is what you said
          In your struggle to liberate the mountains there were among the fighters
          Half Yemenis
          Half Sudanese
          Half Italians
          These are the ones accepted and respected.
          There were also
          Half Tigrean
          Half Amharas
          These were rejected and degraded.

          I assume IA knew this despicable fact. He was patient enough to let it play.
          Now he is making you pay for your utter foolish behavior.
          I think it is safe to interchangeably use fool/full Eritrean. He played you big time!!!!
          The half Eritrean is much smarter than the full Eritrean.

        • Dear Semere T.,

          Why do you have to condemn eritrea and eritreans to another hundred years of a life of suffering, exodus and economic stagnation, as if the plight of the people over the last twenty-five years is not enough? How do you imagine eritrea to be a hundred years from now, if the present situation continues? Will she still be around then?
          Yes, he led the eritrean revolution to victory (against all odds), and (against all odds), he is destroying the land he says he created. Are you really satisfied with what is happening in eritrea today? Why this dogmatic support? Can’t you support him conditionally, by telling him where and when he is wrong?
          Well, one may say, how can one choose when everything is wrong. You either oppose completely, or support unconditionally. You are doing the latter. As an ancient greek warrior, you are saying ‘with it (a winner with one’s shield and spear in the hands), or on it (dead and defeated), and no middle way, even when the odds are against dia’s politics. Good luck comes only once in a lifetime. If you squander it, you lose it forever. Unfortunately, this is not a personal thing. It affects the lives of millions of people.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Semere Tesfai,

          “… he [Isayas Afewerki] has shaped Eritrea in every way, for the next one hundred years.” This a colossal statement, to put it mildly. People who are familiar with your views might surmise what you meant by such grandiose assertion. But others who might read this for the first time, they would be struck with immediate curiosity and stop to read what is written before and after this statement, taking note of changes that can endure for a whole century to shape! the fate of a country and its people. Thus, we due respect, sir, you missed a writers duty of adding a few explanatory sentences so that the reader would have had a glimpse of what it meant.

          Actually, for me it could only mean that the role of the man in shaping Eritrea could only be an enduring reminder of the sad legacies under his watch such betrayal of revolution’s promise of freedom and dignity to the people, sad episode of the numerous Lampedusas, Mai Habar murder of the disabled veterans, the thousands killed and wounded in senseless border he had caused (according to the verdict of the Hague Tibunal) and many others. I say this not to deny him the contributions he made to the struggle as an Eritrean and leader, but because the bad things he did and is doing had cancelled the good ones a place in the annals of Eritrean history as the first authoritarian despot Eritrea has ever known after the victorious end of its long and costly march and attainment of independent nationhood.

          Regards

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Abi,

        Why are you calling Eritreans “fool”?

        You seem to have no original ideas related to problem solving economic and political issues in either Eritrea or Ethiopia. It appears that you are merely on a psychological journey to draw satisfaction from every Eritrean mishap.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Simon K, what is strange is his two sons are half-Eritreans in his own words, unless he was lying to us.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham and Simon
            It is nice to see two fool Eritreans / full Eritreans foul mouthing half Eritreans.
            Typical fool/full Eritrean character.
            There you have it …

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Abi the Aba Tor, if there is any foul mouthed fool in this forum, it must be you!

    • Simon Kaleab

      Selam Semere T.,

      You said: “I SURE WILL CHOOSE MY HALF TIGRAYAN ERITREAN BROTHER (ISAIAS) EVERY TIME.”

      I couldn’t agree more. Tigrayan ancestry should be a source of pride. To me the Tigrayan character signifies bravery, mental strength, and a desire live good legacy for posterity.

      Some notable individuals such as Stalin and Napoleon, who led great nations, were from minority groups. Napoleon [despite his flaws] was a genius of immense proportions. He was from Corsica and spoke French with an Italian accent.

      Stalin [despite his many blunders] was the astute leader who broke the backbone of Hitler’s Army to save Russia and the rest of the world from German barbarism. He spoke Russian with a visibly Georgian accent.

      Semere Andom is a coward, loser and a runner, who is egging on others to resist and fight from a safe distance. What a hypocrite!

      • iSem

        Hi Simon:
        When you admire Stalin, when you describe his blood thirsty actions BLUNDERS you have become a shrink for yourself. That says it a lot. The the people you admire, like Saddam and Qeddaffi are those who destroyed their societies and mark this words, IA just like these men has no future and the great country will not built by him, it maybe built despite him and Andebrhan was right to bring that, that is not childish, it is an a deep insight into the dark receses of IA
        What great country did Stalin built, maybe great architecture, but his country has the highest HIV rat in Europe, and growing faster than many African countries, and the needled country was fragmented
        You need to take a break from reading EPLF and IA memos like Gheteb and read some history and how the people you admire and are admiring destroy are destroying their countries.
        If IA does not die naturally while in power, he will die like a dog and buried in unmarked grave

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Semere A.,

          You are not only a coward and a runner, you have now topped that up with being an ignoramus and a muddle head.

          Where did I admire Saddam and Gaddafi? You lied.

          I brought Napoleon and Stalin as an example of individuals who came from minority groups and made history by leading great nations.

          • iSem

            Simon;
            We are not talking about minority or majority, if you are talking about groups IA comes from the majority group called Tigriniya. I am talking about citizenship, u are smarter than that to understand this, you are willfully ignorant and willfull ignorance have no redemption
            If you love IA, if you admire Stalin, therefore you admire Gaddaffi and Saddam who were both from minority.
            Do u have any better idea to debate, or are you in a mission to distract?
            Show me the enshrined citzenship law in Eri
            It is so arbitrary, if your mom is Kunama and your dad is Tig you do not get citizenship according to Kunams I talked to, if your mom is Tig and your dad is Ethiopian u can. Do u know that?, I doubt because they did not tell u that in your PFDJ meeting

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere,

            Again, the runner in you is rambling wildly. You need to see a psychiatrist before it is too late. God have mercy!

          • Thomas

            Hi Simon K,

            I guess your true color is being magnified. Unfortunately, we all have read your writing. You have been telling us time and again that you admire dictators. Dictators are good for Africa and Eritreans need a strong man/meaning a dictator. We need a reform but with a dictator leadership/leading, how stupid can you get than what you have??? For all the things you have been saying, we were wondering to know that your motive is and why you got that low? Are you someone who happened to be screwed by dictators and you like them when they are strong in screwing your stuff or whatever?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Thomas,

            You are childish, grow up.

            Again all talk and no action. Keep on praying,

    • sara

      Dear semere
      though i don’t like to indulge into genealogy issues in Eritrea, it is strange many who are now degrading PIA for his supposed ancestry, were comfortable and highly proud about meles zenawi for having Eritrean linage.

      • Abi

        Sariti
        You nailed it.
        Why should an Eritrean be proud of an Ethiopian with an Eritrean linage and at the same time degrade an Eritrean with an Ethiopian linage is beyond logic.
        You are accepted as half Eritreans but not as half Ethiopian. Eritrean logic!!!
        That is what Semere T used to teach tegadalay and gebar. What a waste of life.

      • iSem

        hi Sara;
        zereba rekkibe elki diki: Your comments are usually smart, this one is none sense!
        No denying that the MZ was half Eri and he did not hide that, IA hides that. And MZ was doing better job for Ethiopia so one can be proud about that, IA is desroingn the country, do u want ppl to be proud of that? If your son, or dad or husband is drug junkie and thief, would you be proud of any of them? would you deny they are your blood? And would you deny that they junkies and thieves

        • sara

          ato semere,
          entay gerenakum da’ afna kenhze tehatuna… ane ko wey haftkum wey gulkum eye..
          ab sodan kelam farekh zebleka seb wa… AGEB beluley eu zebahal emo…
          abeye– ne neshto entkhbero..neau yekebre yebahal . xebukh baahle eu…

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello sara,
        Wow! You just buried two+ days of halewlew by the best Awatistas with one brilliant sentence.

        • sara

          Ato Fanti
          you know most of what is said here by those who say “those” things they will not say it in an open gathering…. its only at pal-talks,face-books hidden in the dark. unfortunately those stories sips slowly to us society and becomes dangerous… you can feel it even here…
          may peace and understanding reign our region!

    • iSem

      Hi Semere Tesfai:
      We went through this before, but I think “qolle” is still not satisfied:-)
      So are you denying an established fact that IA is half Tigray from his father’s side? I cannot bring you citizenship records, but that is established fact, his siblings know it, he knows it. If you want you can interview a guy with beautiful Mekel accent by the name of Yousef, I think his last name is Sqqar, who was appointed in charge of PFDJ office in California more than decade ago, he has deep ties with the Afwerki family.

      Now there are reasons Eritrea fought to separate to assert its identity and dignity, the struggle was not for a hobby and there are reasons countries enact citizenship laws: some countries will allow you to be citizen if you are born there, even if you mother came there for vacation, some will not, some will allow you to be naturalized after certain number of years, Semere, remove the hamlet in your head, citizenhip are either LEGAL or INHERITED, repeat after me! It is called the ICT (International Citizeship Theorom)
      Even in the highland, the villages have 40 years residency to allow you to be one of them, to marry their daughter, to have land to farm and to build a house (tisha), but the granting of citizenship because someone is hardworking, or generous or nice guy is earth shattering and will go in the history books as the discovery of Insulin.:-) Nitricc, question for you, I will stop calling you the P word ,,if you know were Insulin was discovered , no googling please an no emailing MS
      Now, building on the citizenship, if you want to give IA and Hagosh Kisah Eritrean citizenship on the grounds of their participation in the armed struggle then, you cannot make that on the fly, like you did you have to enact into laws and I have no problem with it.
      About me, I have no insecurity, I grew up reciting my ancestors on both sides of my parents, if I have found any link in Tigray I would have capitalized on that to claim Ethiopian citizenship instead of sharing a country with guy called Gheteb, nothing wrong to be from Tigray, I am just saying that there is an established fact in Eri that IA is half Tigray, I am not denying it and there are no laws enacted to make him 100 5 Eritrea.

      Now, please stop the lecturing of Eritreans degrading Tigrayans and Ethiopians, you did it in the forum more than any Eritean, I know, of course, it is not brazen, it is swaddled in the capital letters.
      and about the international figheters, that is also an internationally established fact, even Yemane Jamaica, wanted to fight for Mozambique, and the cadres did the right thing, but they never said Eri or Ghedli awards citizenship to at whim because some foreign tegadali has nice “etqqi” or whatever you were telling Ghezae.
      This line is misplaced: “The point: it is not about Isaias Afewerki and his genealogy. It is not about whether Isaias Afewerki is an Eritrean or not. It is all about us Eritreans Ethiopians
      Africans… It is all about our psychic, it is all about our self worth, it is all about our self confidence, it is all about our self worth and self respect or simply. “
      In Eritrea, we grew up talking about our geology and uncles, and aunts we never met, we were told their stories and we were proud of them, “haweboy kusto…” and most of us know some friends who went to Mekele for summer vacation, we knew who they were, we also went to our villages sometimes, etc. So it is about IA, we do not even have information of this guys who is running the entire country,
      About the Eritreans putting down the half Tigrayans, I do not condone that and speaking of my self, I have never done it, call it gift from God.
      You keep capitalizing and stressing “pure Eritrean” in a vacuum, and you know well that, if you were Ethiopian born and raised in Eri, the ELF would allow you to go to Sudan, so the half Italians, the half Yemenis did it too. The citizenship laws in Eri is not enacted, but Sal shared with me an information the other day by EPLF, but I am not buying anything by EPLF, it is self serving,

      You said: “What if he is a first generation with Tigrayan ancestry? Would that make you more of an Eritrean than the man who served his whole life for Eritrea – simply because of the length of your line of genealogy?”
      You are mixing things is here Semere, you are mixing the laws of the country you decry and hate (USA) but nonetheless live with comfort there, and the laws of a country that has no laws but you love, long distance love. Yes, in light of the non existence laws about citizen Eri, I base my citizenship on the village laws, you have to have deep roots in the villages, put other ways, you have to mention you “adi” when asked, and oh, you cannot say “addina” Tiravello eyu”

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Semere A.,

        You have rambled for so many paragraphs, don’t you get tired?

      • Nitricc

        HI Semere; I will pay what ever amount of money to know your IQ. Amazing! Dedebit is always dedebit.

        • Thomas

          Hi Nitricc,

          If you had a higher IQ, you would not have chosen to become a military man. Honestly, you are a disgrace to the habeshan people:) Your parents traveled all the way to see you become a soldier, you should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to know Semere A’s IQ. I am not surprised for all followers of Issayas have your kind minds.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Thomas; no no! I could have asked for yours but what is to ask there? you are right I should have been organizing drinks and night outs in the awful city Columbus. Go have some drinks and call all your jobless drinking buddies. what a life, wasted one.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Nitricc,

            The sum total of Semere’s and Thomas’, the odd couple, IQ is Absolute Zero [as in minus 273 degree Kelvin].

  • Abi

    Hi Abraham
    How do you reconcile the above story with the Agazians movement?

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Abi, Isayas is a frustrated man and a loser. Ag’azian or no Ag’azian, he is on a mission to destroy the Eritrean body politic, what is puzzling is the ‘Eritreans’ that keeps cheering him in his binge of destruction. I’m of the opinion most of his ardent supporters do also suffer from similar identity complex like him.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Abraham H.,

        You said: “I’m of the opinion most of his ardent supporters do also suffer from similar identity complex like him.”

        1) How do you know Isaias suffers from an identity complex?

        2) Can you provide evidence to support your conclusion about his “ardent supporters”?

        Basically, you are saying that it is people with ancestral connections with Ethiopia who are causing problems.

        • Thomas

          Hi Simon K,

          It is obvious because he is an isolated dictator. He is an alcoholic plus he is arrogant and extremely emotional when his authority is questioned. Someone with self confidence cannot reflect those characteristics. If you don’t believe Ambassador Andebrahan, we do because there is nothing on Issayas appearance or conduct which does not support that claim.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Thomas,

            What revenge?

            You are all talk and no action.

          • Thomas

            Simon K,

            Revenge for some of us might have called you agames for all those years:) Revenge for we, the real Eritreans, in unity liberated our nation and embarked to celebrate our hard won independence and all the nation building by all Eritreans from far parts of the globe flocking to visit and contribute for the nation building. This was clearly seen from the best years of 1991-1997. You saw these developments with eaten with jealousy and all you decided to do is to use the old tactic of divide and rule. Of course, it was our fault because we trusted you like too much.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Thomas, the real Eritrean.

            You are all talk and no action.

      • sara

        selam Abraham,
        frankly this discussion reminds us the days when Trump was after Obama he is a Muslim… he is not born here…he is not American… show us his birth certificate kind
        of rhetoric.
        abraham , remember once here one of our senior forumers (respected by all ) has said some thing to this effect… “most of you ( those who always squabble about the identity issue) have come with the invading forsess from the south.. i bet if the majority could count your fifth generation ancestors… you all hailed originally from the south” i am sure you know who it is that meant…. therefore i politely ask you to cool dawn on the identity complex thing.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam sara, I’ve made my position clear on this issue before. I said, I really don’t care where someone is from; what is important is his/her loyalty to Eritrea, esp. when one is in a very high position whose actions are a matter of life and death to Eritreans.

          • sara

            Dear Abraham,
            that is a sensible response “loyalty to Eritrea” and i really thank you for it.

        • Thomas

          Hi sara,

          Honestly, I think you only visit this website to defend Islam. Where there is a mention of Islam or Israel, you are fast to say something about it. Men, remember we don’t live in SA and we kind of naive about religious stuff. I have zero appetite for religions and I see it a private choice. No religion or human is better than the other. Think of equality if you are really a woman.

          • sara

            selam Thomas,
            honestly, i too am surprised why you want me not to defend Islam which is trashed day and night by who ever want to make a name for himself in this crazy world of ours. look to trump
            of a big country and a dirt poor AGAZIAN group of small time cone artists are doing the round, be honest if you love eritrea and you are a loyal eritrean, shouldn’t you take a stand against those who try to tarnish your religion by extension your eritrea… or you take it there is a country without those two beautiful religions of Christianity and Islam.
            thomas i am here as an eritrean first and i believe all Eritreans are equal in the eyes of god

          • Nitricc

            Hey Sara, Thomas is Agazian in closet. he didn’t just have the gumption to come clean as his friend Lemack. They are both products of Asmara university and look what they ended up. I am just glad that university is no longer exists.

          • Thomas

            Hi Nitricc,

            Is that your best shot? I suspect that Simon Keleab is a former AU student to. This Asmara University insult is going to get you in trouble with many people. You should try to hold your thoughts on that subject. lol (I am adding this lol because you love having this abbreviation- after each sentence you write)

          • Thomas

            Hi sara,

            Please note the following:

            1) I don’t support Trump and his hate for certain religion believers (Islam, christian or whatever)
            2) I don’t support Issayas for what he is doing for my country and my people. Plus, I do not support him for getting in the afairs of religious people including Islam.
            3) You claim of you stand or you protect Islam from attack is false because if that was true he would not have been Issayas supporter. If our muslim brothers and sisters are attacked, they are attacked by the Issayas regime not by any other countries. Trump has no plan to attack Eritrean Muslims but Issayas has not because he doesn’t like them but because they are on his way.
            4) Talking about power sharing in Eritrea, do you think Muslim believers are represented within the ruling party? If not, why are you so quite about this?

          • sara

            Hi thomas
            honestly…. again you are jumping from ethnicity (which is manifested by agazian loonies) related issues to sectarian (agazian and other bigots) thoughts….of those losers in the Eritrean arena.
            -you said you dont support trump, but you sound you do from most of your comments so far on most issues, i am sure you will not say out right you do, because it will not be politically correct in this forum.
            -you again sound to defend eritrean religions… its unbelievable for some one who wouldn’t care about religion or who i am not sure has little regard for religion to say so. .
            – you also said trump has no plan to attack muslims….wooo… ya thomas where are you
            this days, dont you see the havoc he has created with his stupid executive orders.
            as for putting trumps action in parallel to asaias .. i think is a joke, it has been told to us by many here on the know differently.
            – Muslims not in position of power , share no share they do as far as i know simply put the eritrea you know and see is made by Muslims, and take this to the nearest bank in new York.

          • Thomas

            Hi sara,

            You don’t know me but I am telling you that I do not care about religions. I am telling that religion is a private matter. It bothers me whenever Issayas uses religion to attack others. He did attack the Jehovah witness, the Pentecostal, Islam believer using Jihadists as an excuse, and what else. I am telling you I do care when Issayas gets into private religions beliefs of these people. It is called freedom of religion by the way. The all have the right to believe in whatever they choose to believe. Again, religion is a private matter and dictators like Issayas should never get into private matters of individual citizens. You are everyone, I don’t support Aga’azien if you are breathing fire and seem to be sleepless about this group. I have no intention of supporting them. My name is Thomas and if you are frustrated by my name, take it easy and my advice is for you to stop from being judgemental.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Hi Abi,

    First of all, it is ‘Gheteb and NOT “Ghetab”.

    You have already CROWNED this Hayat Adem Person as the ‘Abyssinian Queen”. I say congratulation Ethiopians for claiming one of your own and many more congratulation for turning a real KING into a QUEEN.

    • Abi

      Hi ‘Gheteb
      We are known to Proudly and affectionately call Emperor Menelik as a woman. “Emye Menelik”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Teredika?

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi Kim,
    Good to hear from you. I see your message in Disqus but couldn’t find the thread itself, hence coming here to the top.
    The only sensible thing I heard from the Agazian kids is the fact that they are promoting the relationship of the two Tigrigna community. What they say about the two Tigrignas is mostly right. As you know the relationship of the two peoples have been pushed off its natural track by the expediency of politics all along, and people started fabricating history to support the false differences of the two but one people. That part is fine.
    I don’t think they are able to gain any ground south of Mereb but they seem to have gained some attention among Eritreans, which reflects the level of hopelessness. I mentioned this to someone (shut up abi) and he laughed and uttered, embe’ar lomis metsaweti qoliEu geyrkinna.
    On our side of the Mereb, you see the nervousness growing a bit when you see big guns like SGJ and Dawit Mesfin writing articles about it in response. You can feel it when this great website is dominated by talks of them. I wouldn’t expect any website of Ethiopians or Tigray paying attention and dwelling on the agenda that much. But if you need more from the Tigray side, Fanti is better placed to tell you.
    There are two crazy points this group is incessantly pushing and getting the attention of its unsuspecting followers and touching the nerves of the conscious ones. 1) It is trying to promote the oneness of Tigreans through a militant hate on others. It hates lowlanders, it hates Muslims, it hates Sahos, Afars, Amharas, Arabs etc and it declares solidarity with the Jew state. 2) It dreams of curving out a political nation of the Agazians that counts in all the Hamasien, Seraye, AkulGuzay, and the entire Tigray, anchored to Axumite values, connected to Adulis. Call them the flip side of Gheteb.
    In desperate times, madness is sold by the bottle.

    • Abi

      ንግስቴን እጅ እነሳለሁ
      I support the unity of the two Tigrewoch. I believe they are one people. I care less where they choose to live after their unity or form their own Kingdom. My problem is if the sole purpose of their unity to dominate others be it in Ethiopia or Eritrea.
      Question to The Queen
      The Eritrean highlanders are the last to join the independence struggle and now it seems the first ones to abandon it. Why do the lowlanders bother about them? Didn’t the lowlanders say they have more to do with Sudan than Ethiopia/Abesha? I remember Haile TG saying Eritrea is 85% Abesha. Actually, he is the first one I heard him say he wants Eritrean relationship with Tigry (not Ethiopia) to be strong. This is how he said it
      He wants Tigry universities to have strong relationships with Eritrean universities, Tigry construction companies to have strong relationships with Eritrean companies etc etc.
      I’m trying to connect dots from here and there.
      In one of my argument with SGJ regarding Abesha chauvinism, I asked him that Eritrea is 85% chauvinists ( I took it from Haile TG) and what is he going to do with them? His reply was They are his people and he knows how to deal with them. (His exact words,) I like to say his opinion on this, btw.
      Hayat, I’m all over the place. I don’t know if you can make any sense of my comment. If you don’t get it የራስሽ ጉዳይ
      I think everyone missed The signs.

      • Dear Abi,

        Do you really think that the two tigrayans miss each other? Does this newfound love-affair mean anything? Is it sinister or not? The agaazian project will not have bone and flesh without standing against other ethnic groups and religions, especially amharas and muslims, because they know that the two stand in their way for their hegemonic dreams over the region. It seems that it is the era of caliphates and kingdoms.
        Was the reason for eritrean revolution only independence per se, and their was no hegemonic agenda hidden in it as well, at least as much as ultra-nationalist eritreans are concerned? Just have in mind the wars soon after independenc. Think of tigrinyazation of eritrea. It has failed but not dead. Agazianland is simply plan b, to be implemented if possible.
        Now, who is going to use whom, for one’s hidden agenda, time will show. Nevertheless, I believe that it is those to the north who want to use those to the south; use them and dump them later on. It is just recently that they told us they care less for the axumite history, for they have a new historic anchor, the so-called adulis kingdom. Therefore, we have to see carefully what they mean, and not only what they say. These are ቀውጢ ቀኖች፤ Tough times require tough measures, but there is a danger it could make things worse.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Horizon,

          You are a bit muddled as usual.

          The Agazian movement will fail because such a nation does not exist any more [it has expired more than a thousand years ago].

          Further, the burning issues in Eritrea are strengthening the secular foundation of the State and reforming the current government to be fair, open and encourage a free enterprise economy.

          • Amde

            Selam Simon,

            What are the objective signs that lead you to conclude that “the burning issues in Eritrea are strengthening the secular foundation of the State and reforming the current government to be fair, open and encourage a free enterprise economy.”

            Amde

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amde,

            Every nationalist Eritrean knows these critical issues. So, you have no choice but to accept what I tell you. If you don’t, your view is irrelevant, as you have no say in Eritrean matters.

          • Graviton

            peace new?

            in short, u got nothing. what a waste of oxygen.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Graviton,

            Pay attention to the implosion of Ethiopia. Poverty, rebellion, starvation, prostitution … you have something to worry about.

            Why would you be concerned by Eritrea, which is not your country? And I am not duty bound to explain to you Eritrean issues which do not concern you.

          • Graviton

            peace new?

            “Why would you be concerned by Eritrea, which is not your country? And I am not duty bound to explain to you Eritrean issues which do not concern you”

            u sound like a programmed bot dude, same response to three people when u got cornered? its makin u look a sore loser, toughen up sawa boy!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Graviton,

            Why are you loitering here? There is a State of Emergency in Ethiopia.

            Do your homework!

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            really? i didn’t know that. may be they are taking a leaf out of shabo’s “guide to good governance” handbook. how long has it been for u guys? 25 years? i guess thats the new political discovery shabo was excited to announce to the world(which is inferior to the Eritrean, buhahhhha).

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Graviton,

            Ethiopia is burning, the number of ladies of the night is multiplying, famine is around the corner. What are you doing here? Do your homework first!

        • Abi

          Selam Horizon
          Don’t you think it is for everybody’s benefit if they come together and what they want to do?

          • Dear Abi,

            The madness and the confusion always lies with the elites, especially those in the diaspora, and the ordinary people (the sacrificial lambs) are completely unaware that the elites are going to screw their lives again. What is their for the people, other than another at least half century of disaster, pain and misery, while the elites are going to play a chess game of power on their backs, and the people will always be the pawns. That is why it should be nipped in the bud.

            I doubt that the two will ever reach any sort of agreement, or any benefit for anybody will ever come out of it. Beyond past history and glory, a country should have an economy, resources, trade, etc to stand on its own two feet. I doubt that the two regions together would create an economy that would sustain them and bring econommic development. Tigray may have its own sea outlet, but it should have an export-import trade that could efficiently use it. The port by itself will not improve the economy.

          • Amde

            Abi,

            The grass is always greener on the other side.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            I don’t want to ask which side?
            አንች ሌላ ወደሽ እኔ አንችን ስወድ
            ማረር ነው ዘንድሮ ተላለፍናት መንገድ

          • Amde

            Abiti,

            Stands to reason:

            If the grass on side A is greenER than the grass on side B when seen from side B,
            AND
            If the grass on side B is greenER than the grass on side A when seen from side A,
            THEN

            The combined grasses of Side AB/BA will be greenERER as seen from Side AB or Side BA.

            The temporal formula is:
            South AgAziya looks good for the here and now. North AgAziya looks promising for the future.

            ሰው ባለበት መለምለም ቢለምድ በጎ ነው።

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            Your advice is definitely taken from Kibur Kebede Michael ( ተረትና ምሳሌ )
            Thanks for the laugh.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Abi, from my vantage point the Tigrayans are more interested in the project of Tigrai-Tigrini, now dubbed the Ag’azian nation than the Eritrean Tigrinyas. My main reason is the one I wrote to you yesterday; but an eventual unity with Eritrea would also bring with it the extra benefit of the much sought after access to the sea to Tigrai.

        • Abi

          Hi Abraham
          Looks like we are understanding each other.
          You are giving me two great reasons why Ethiopian Tigreans want Tigry-Tigrign.
          1-security
          2-Sea outlet
          My understanding was it is the Eritrean Tigreans ditching the rest of Eritreans when the going is tough. What am I missing?
          As I said I don’t loose sleep in whatever they choose to do. What do you think the Eritrean lowlanders do if the Highlanders choose to come back to Ethiopia ?

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Abi,

            ” if the Highlanders choose to come back to Ethiopia”, then in all likelihood the Ethiopians are going to crown Abraham H and refer to him or call him affectionately as ” Emye Abraham” as you have aptly been calling King “Hayat Adem” as “Emye Adem”.

          • Abi

            Hi ‘Gheteb
            I think Abraham is against Agazianizm. However, if he chooses to come back to Emye Ethiopia, I don’t mind appointing him as Raesi Abraham, Governor of Agazi district.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, Eritrea is more than enough for all Eritreans, what we need is the removal of the Isayasists and the establishment of rule of law.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, in my opinion the interest for this revived Tigrai-Tigrini interest is affected by events on both sides of the Mereb. The Eritrean youth are disillusioned by their sufferings under the corrupt rule of Isayas; ironically, they are finding security and safety in the country/Kilil that was supposed to be the enemy according to the indoctrination they grew up with in Eritrea. This fact is leading to them having second thoughts about Eritrea, hence the Ag’azian phenomenon. As to what the lowlanders would do, I think it all depends on how the Ag’azians want to carve out their nation; if they plan to grab the lowlanders’ land and try to put them under their rule by force, then we will have Awate2. Hence the so called Ag’azian nation is a call for mayhem in Eritrea and our region and I don’t think it would have any meaningful traction.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            Looks like the Eritrean Tigreans are playing “ቸሩ ጋቦሮብ”
            “ካገኘሀት ስጠኝ ፣ ካጣሀት ውሰዳት”, said the generous Gabrov.

      • Hayat Adem

        Sweet Abi,
        Do you think I can continue calling you sweet if you say yerasish guday! An Ethiopian author has a book by that phrase: ye eritrea guday. Do you guys always use that phrase whenever you go wacho;)
        Okay, i think you are giving this notion of agazian more than it can chew. I am thinking this kids could be 1% of the entire Eritrean people, maybe 3% of the highlander, if you don’t count their loud mouth. In tigray i don’t expect them to get even a single vote. their messages have no sense, no truth, no hope. You can’t expect them to grow.
        History never make countries. Countries make history. These people don’t even have the right history.

        • Graviton

          peace new?

          “History never make countries” ow ya? tell that to the Jews.

          • Hayat Adem

            Graviton,
            Give me another example. The Jew state is not a natural example. It is a military state that will never find a natural niche in the neighborhood.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hayat,

            First of all it is not the “Jew” State but the Jewish State.

            You have a point, Israel, the Jewish State “will never find a natural niche in the neighborhood.” The Jewish State is resurrected from the ashes, it is dynamic, progressive inventive knowledge based, in contrast to the countries that surround it that are rotten, archaic, medieval, and are stuck in pre-history.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Simon K.
            I think there is no a state called “Jewish State” yet. The Israëli right under the current spokesmanship of Mr. Netenyahu are puting the idea as precondition for negotiation with the Palestinian Authority. Liberal Israelis inside and outside disagree because the state would be racial-theocratic in nature rather than being democratic; they bolster their position by citing the existence of 20% or more non-Jewish citizens.
            Regards

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA.,

            First, whether the PA accepts it or not Israel is a Jewish State, it is a fact.

            Israel is a Jewish State in the sense of having a Jewish majority and not in the religious sense. State affairs are not conducted using Torah texts and Talmudic rulings. The Israeli State is a secular State.

            Further, ‘Jewishness’ is not a race it is a religion. Jews are multiracial.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Simon K.
            You can say what you want a million times; that is your opinion. I was saying the state of Israel is recognized by international bodies not as the “Jewish state” but the state of Israel. Mine is an opinion within the framework of international norms, and not as mono-dimentional fan of an idea or some similar thing.
            Regards

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Ismail AA.,

            Israel is a Jewish State. The UN Partition Plan of 1947, Resolution 181 recommended the partition of the Holy Land into an Arab State and a Jewish State. The Jews accepted the UN’s recommendation and have now created an inventive, dynamic and a secular State.

            This is a fact we cannot wriggle out of.

          • Graviton

            Hayat,

            “The Jew state is not a natural example” give me first a natural example? my answer depends on how you define”natural”

          • Mez

            Dear Gravitation:
            The Jewish history, in Europe alone, is quite complex. The dynamics is also quite unique and unparalleled.

            If I may say, in cotrast, all those how many thousands of years the Agazians were ” comfortably living their life in harmony with their surrounding & sleeping in peace generation after generation until the time of modern colonization era” I would say.

            So it is only nominally possible to cite the former as an example for the latter….

            Thanks

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Hayat Adem,
      .
      Thanks for your response. I thought there was more to it, like a formation of another political organization or such.
      .
      Apparently these Agazians kids must be visiting the same underground library, where Geteab does his research. It appears they are two sides of the same coin.
      .
      Thanks again.
      .
      Mr K.H

  • ‘Gheteb

    Greetings Cuz SAAY and All !!

    Allow me to bring our discussion to this part of the screen from where it is literally submerged at the very bottom of the screen

    Sure, Cuz SAAY, the defense may have rested its case, but ‘The People’ are calling two individuals from the defense side to the witness stand. We call first Aklilu Zere (AZ) and let us see if can really face the music, so to speak. The defense is mum why AZ has alleged that Isaias Afwerki took away or stole a type writer when that equipment went along with his job description.

    The defense has neither explained why AZ made the erroneous assertion that AZ made about Isaias avoiding the lowlanders on his way to the Eritrean highlands nor has defense admit to this was not an accurate picture of what transpired on those years.

    What AZ asserted about the recruiting methods about Isaias in those years had no NEFARIOUS intents. They were done because of ideological and practical reasons. Ideological because the Maoist ideology that emphasis the role of the peasants in a revolution in the sense that they should be the backbone of any revolutionary movement. Practical because of the harsh conditions of the Eritrean field awaiting new recruits and the belief that the peasants are better equipped to handle it.

    The defense in its written presentation asserted that:

    “Two Eritrean christian highlanders,Kidane Kiflu and Welday Ghidey, are killed by security agents of the ELF. The ELF leadership, including MBB, is stunned by this. They are agonizing over how to solve this tragic act. MBB says that the leadership of the ELF did not sanction this: that it was the result of the prevailing condition in Sudan when the Haile Selasse regime had inflitrated the front thoroughly. MBB says that those who executed Kidane Kiflu and Welday Ghidey were, themselves, nationalists who died for Eritrea fighting Ethiopian army in Barentu”.

    Yes, but what was the milieu in the ELF like in those years? Let us be honest and show a modicum amount of sensitivity here. Why were so many ELF fighters hailing from the Eritrean highlands deserting the ELF and surrendering to Ethiopia? I think Durue and Co. come immediately to mind here. What about MeAsho Embaye who trekked with MBB to Kassala and from whence he fled to Khartoum because of the prevailing unease that many a highlander ELF fighter felt on those years. One need to look Isaiass reaction to the killing of KK and WG within this context.

    Now let us look what we can learn from Michael Gabir (MG) account about Isaias leaving the ELF. I continued to interact with MG even after I graduated from that high school. I used to see MG whenever he came to Khartoum to register his students who were going to sit for the G.C.E. I used to help him with the registration as the office of registration was very close to the UoK students dormitory where I used to stay in those years.

    MG account about Isaias was similar to what you have written. I was curious and I asked him many questions regarding this issue. I remember, one day when I asked him why Isaias wanted to split from the ELF when he was elected to the General command, MG said: ” He (Isaias) wanted to occupy the top position of the leadership. Asked why he thought that way, MG said that he knows about this because he has a copy of a letter that Isaias wrote the ELFs Supreme Council ( LaEleway Baito) after he joined the ELF. MG took out what looked like a single sheet of paper. I was sitting across from him and I asked him if I can take a look, he said NO. I didn’t see the letter and hence I can’t confirm or deny what I heard from MG.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear ‘Geteb,

      I have been following the extended debate you have been having with several brothers and sisters in the forum. Since the issues raised concerned events of history and actors, one needs to have facts based on credible source to partake in the debate, which I do not have.

      But one point raised my curiosity to ask you a question. That point is about Isayas’ to the Supreme Council about which I had some information not from the late Michael Gabr but other sources.

      Now, my question is: Did you discuss the matter with Michael before he travelled to Khartoum? It is difficult to understand the fact that Michael Gabr had to search the letter in his files after so many years and carry it in his pocket all the way to Khartoum in case someone would raise an issue on that particular matter necessitating raising the letter as evidence.

      I am just curious, and would love your response on this point.
      Regards

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Ismail AA,

        Thank you for the input/feedback. No, Ismail you should partake in these debates as none of us possesses all the facts when it comes to Eritrean history. As a matter of fact, you can contribute more on these debates taking into account your educational background and your experience with the ELF. So, I urge you to share your insights and wisdom.

        Now you see what I wrote above. Very few Eritreans ever talk about Isaiass letter to the Supreme Council, but you said you have some information and I think that is important from my side.

        Never mind where and how the discussion came about this letter with the late Michael Gabir ( I remember that he spelt his ‘last name’ as Gabir and not ‘Gabr’), I am all ears to read about your take vis-à-vis this letter. Please, do share with me and don’t hold back. Add as much information as possible including your personal opinion. I am curious to know about the letter for my own personal curiosity.

        Thank you in advance.

        • Ismail AA

          Selam ‘Gheteb,
          I asked the question because I knew M. Gabr (you are right he spelt his name the way you did) was a meticulous and serious man when dealing with such sort of things. That was the way he and me were trained in the same department and same professors. So, I was just curious that he had had to carry that letter with him just for the sake it when he travelled for the purpose you had mentioned, unless he had intended in advance to discuss the issue with you or some one else. Anyway, I understand your suggestion that I do not have to mind about the encounter you had with him.
          Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Ismail AA,

            What about your take about the information you said you had about Isaiass letter to the Supreme Council?

          • Ismail AA

            Selam again ‘Gheteb,
            I believe you didn’t miss what I tried to tell you when I asked you about MG. You know having information differs from releasing information as fact of history without being appropriately researched. What we are doing here in this forum is more of debates on current affairs and related matters than trying to put offer established facts on specific historical events. I hope I am clear and honest with you, and not trying to withhold information.
            Regards

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Ismail AA,

            Okay, maybe not as “fact of history”. What about sharing your OPINION about the letter. I am not asking about researched historical facts. I am only asking for your personal take, viewpoint or opinion and nothing else. Let me put it this way.

            (1) Do you believe that Isaias actually wrote a letter to the Supreme Council?
            (2) What was the main message of the letter?

            The views that I am asking you need not be because you read the letter yourself. What I am looking for is whatever information you may have regarding this letter and nothing more.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Gheteb

            The letter Isaias sent to Qiada (General Command) is known to all. It was an official handwritten letter. I myself have seen presumed a “copy” of that letter written in Tigrigna. The resignation from Qiada letters – one from Isaias Afewerqi and the other from Mohamed Omaro were educational materials (documents) in ELF cadres school during the 1970s.

            Semere Tesfai

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Ato Semere Tesfai,

            Thanks for the information. Yes, about the resignation letter that Isaias sent to The General Command you are right. We discussed about it with SAAY when we dealt with Mohammed Berhan Blatas video interview.

            This specific letter was supposedly written by Isaias NOT to Qiyada Alamma (General Command), but way before that when the ELF was led by the Supreme Council (ላዕለዋይ ባይቶ). This was sway before Isaias was elected to Qiyads leadership. That is what I am asking Ismail AA about.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Gheteb

            The only letters I know exist are those two handwritten resignation letters – one from Isaias Afewerqi (written in Tigrigna) and the other from Mohamed Ali Omara (written in Arabic).

            Prior to his famous resignation (early 1970 letter), Isaias Afewerqi was around Keren, Sahel, Semhar and Hamassien serving as the Political Commissioner for Division Five (1966 – 1968). And he was OK with the ELF leadership – OK enough to send him to China for training. Around 1968 (or late 1967) the ELF leadership sent him along few other political and military cadres to China for training.

            Soon after he came back from China (mid 1968), he attended the Adobaha military conference (August 1969) and was elected a member of the Qiyada Al-Ama leadership. After the conference, he was assigned to Karneshim-Ala region. There he joined Abraham Tewelde and his group (a group that had problem with ELF leadership and was outside ELF command and control). And there he wrote his famous resignation latter and never came back. That is the story I know.

            Semere Tesfai

    • saay7

      Selamat Cuz Gheteb:

      Whenever we write about history, I always visualize a casual awate reader (maybe he just got a call from people who are smuggling his sister; maybe she is researching information for asylum cases) who stumbles on our page, find us discussing events from 50 years ago, shakes his or her head and leaves. Those are my secular Raqib and Atid sitting on both my shoulders. So, let me be brief:

      1. You are taking Aklilu Zere, one of of our finest and most stylish writers, too literally. He didn’t say IA avoided the lowlands and highlands; he said he avoided their people, choosing his solitary confinement in the prison of his mind, which was, per Michael Gabr, clouded by contempt for and suspicion of the “Jihadist” leaders of the ELF. Aklilu’s mention of IA taking the Olivetti typewriter is more meaningful for its figurative than literal meaning: you give someone a tool to promote your cause; he uses the same tool to promote his cause. You know Oliveti typewriters: remember when typing fast two type hammers want to hit the ribbon at the same time and they get jammed and you have to physically…. uh,oh, we lost all the under 30.

      On the killing of Kidane Kiflu and Woldai Ghidey, Mohammed Berhan Blatta gave you the context: at the time, the government of Haile Selasse, via its embassy in Kasala, had recruited massive number of spies and killers to infiltrate the ELF and to send assassination squads. MMB narrates how he was stabbed and narrowly escaped death that required his hospitalization for two weeks; how Isaias & Co narrowly escaped a hand-grenade bomb thrown at the place they were expected to spend the night, but didn’t. How someone from Tesenei killed his own cousin who had surrendered to Ethiopia and was heading to Asmara to disclose information. How the trends were increasing to different schools –Baathist, Islamists, nationalists–and the ELF leadership had resolved that all this can be solved only by holding a congress and declaring a National Democratic Front. So, whereas 37 members of Qiada Al Amma resolved that was the way to go, one guy, Isaias Afwerki decided to use the tragic death of KK and WG as a recruitment tool. By the time he wrote Nehnan Elamanan, KK and WG had multiplied to hundreds of Christian highlander victims who had all come from Addis Abeba and rest of Ethiopia and were slain by Amma. (To this date, nobody has a name of these hundreds of Christian highlanders and within months of that date, of course, IA, the self-declared protector of the Eritrean Christian highlanders would kill dozens of the best and brightest Christian highlanders of MenkaE.

      Anta aytezarbuna.

      A word of advice, cousin (I think I am at least a few months older than you): the world did not know about how the reality of Mao contrasted deeply from the carefully cultivated one until his personal doctor got asylum in New York and wrote a big fat book. In that book, we learned that Mao was a narcisist who was in love with all the pleasures of the flesh; so reckless that although he had STD he wouldn’t disclose it to his many victims; that he was a man full of temper tantrums; that he was a man who surrounded himself with yes-men (Chou En Lai appears to have been one), etc, etc. This is what will happen to IA, eventually. Already, one of his former bodyguards who stayed behind in the Emirates told us that IA spends most of his days locked in the house tinkering with woodwork, that he is extremely moody and temperamental. More will appear, in time, and it will fall short of the demi-god that you and company are trying to create. Can’t we just leave it at: he was a hard-working man, committed to the Eritrean struggle and enjoyed, for many many many years, the respect and admiration and, eventually, on the eve of Eritrea’s independence, the terror of his peers?

      saay

      • iSem

        Good morning Sal:
        it appears that the defense had new info;-)
        About the Eritrea who stumbles on this debate and gets disappointed at our priority. Emma is smillng, he will forgo his morning coffee;-)
        You are working too hard to tell us you are older than cousin Gheteb, while I am working hard to show him I am way younger than him;-)
        But your defense is bullet proof and so is Ghetebs head

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hi Sem,

          I gave up on my plea to focus on issue that matters to our people. Gheteb and his elks are successful to divert us and the rest are going with the flow. Collective effort for the common good does not look practical in the Eritrean politics of the opposition. It pains me when we waste our time to debate on the evil man as to whether EPLF was made up of his image or not. It has been and will continue to be his brain child.

          • Yohannes Zerai

            Hello Amanuel,

            There indeed are forces at play determined to shift attention and discourse away from “issues that matter to our people.” It seems to be working well for them …. at least for now!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,
            I can see the relevance of the point you made; I think the moderators might need to revise the guidelines to find some sort of balance between discussing or debating the substance of an article and some side issues that shift the focus by way of open digression. I understand it is over burdening the moderators to control the situation. My observation is that the discussion appears to shift due to either debating on the substance of an article tends to appear overdone and nothing left to be said, or some people feel challenged on issues they support and try to defend. One of the ways to deal with the matter might be setting a limit on the number of comments and responses .
            Regards

      • Amde

        Saay,

        There was a four part PBS documentary series on China called “A Century of Revolution” It is available on YouTube for those interested. Mao’s crimes rooted in his narcissism and ignorance masquerading as wisdom are shown especially in the third part. “Great Leap Forward”. “Cultural Revolution” etc etc..

        Amde

  • MS

    Selam All
    We are arguing about IA because IA chose to wipe out the faces, names, contributions of people who supported and protected him; and because IA and the regime he has created have practically “impounded” the contributions of many dedicated leaders and the Eritrean people at large. So, this is not about personal attacks or about denying credit to IA, it rather about reclaiming the good names of those who made IA stand tall. He did not make EPLF but rather EPLF made IA. It might be counterintuitive, but for those who lived the experience, it’s all clear. Today, PFDJ wiped out the faces of and traces of historic leaders such as Haile W/Tensae (Drue), Mamoud Sherifo, Oqbe Abraha, Mesfun Hagos, Petros Solomon, save ELF and its prominent people. If you noticed, Haile Drue is taken from the video on the 2nd Congress when he was the chairman of the preparatory committee, he is missing in all audiovisual and written materials which narrate episodes in which he took a central role. The same with the others. I have read stories about Nadew Command and thers where the writers mention names of current pro Issays figures but omit names of commanders who played a central role (the recent victim of such an act is General Omar Tewil). Therefore, when it is clear THAT history is not only being manipulated but REFABRISHED in away that lionize IA, it is incumbent upon all reasonable people to voice their concern. It actually, to the interest of Eritrea, that Eritreans read the past within its proper context.
    SAAY: you have made great points. I may add: IA uses rareness of his presence as a resource. Everybody knows that even cheap commodities, as cheap as water, when they get rare, their value skyrocket. In economics, they call it the scarcity principle: you demand something, but that something is not available to meet your demand level, and you see its value go through the roof. Folks who joined the front had already been filled with a lot of myths, including his immortality and his sharpshooting skills and so on. They would be dying to have as much time close to him as possible. However, IA was known to be secluded within his close circle; some say, he is private and asocial. He comes out when something really gets heated up and a mass petition that he be present is made out. In any case, he would suddenly appear to a department, a unit…a meeting would be called, and he listens. He rarely responds. He wraps up the meeting by saying “Semi’ekum aleKu” and he goes off. Months later, the predicted response comes in. People get reshuffled, some may go to Halewa Sawra…and so on.
    Semere A wrote: “Ghebe is not just giving IA credit when credit is due, in Gheteb’s inverted world, IA is the sole visionary, the executor, the strategist para excellence, the brave warrior and the prophet”
    I agree with you. What really hurts me is not that people want to highlight IA ‘s contribution, but the tendency to go as far as ignoring the roles of other REAL actors who were equally shining in the eyes of the generation who lived around that leadership.
    AbrahamH and tes: I understand your point and I think it could be seen within the parameters of the above narratives and my previous comments. The fact of the matter is: IA was a sponge when he would like to take ideas from his colleagues , but he would come back declaring a proprietary right on those ideas, and he would be the one explaining to the people. If you are far away from the day to day life, and if you know the EPLF by seminars, cadre school, pblications and the notorious “bado seleste” or hierarchical chain of rumors, one would believe IA was EPLF and EPLF was IA (Please note: I’m not saying Ghehteb is such a person, I don’t know him). The way IA is seen in the elite circle and particularly the mass organizations, and the way combatants saw him is totally different. I was young; I grew up under his leadership, and I would be lying if AI said I did not admire him. But as it was the case, my generation (young people who grew up under the EPLF) was known for its rebellious attitudes. We were called qeydi beteKat or anarchists because we did not worship IA the way older and more educated people did; we were rebellious to any use of power, and so on. But the notion that IA was needed was something that was trickling down to us through Bado seleste…
    On Romadan: I’m not really qualified to say much, and I would want to avoid personalizing the issue. We are talking about IA because it was imposed upon us, and hence, we want to defend the record. Also, the current sour climate of ethnic and religious dimensions makes us act responsibly. Therefore, I call upon you to leave that to history. After all, in order to make a sound comparison between Romadan and IA, you need to have the actual minutes, memos, letters…and communications of the planning and execution of historic events. There are people who participated in those high level capacities. I wish if they could make that comparison. Therefore, I will just say this:
    – Romadan was a tactician, an intellectual and a theoretician. On ideology both of them agreed. On tactical levels, there are accounts that support the image of Ramadan within EPLF. Romaddan was seen as a father. Actually, tegadelti called him uncle as in aboy romadan. While IA said to be rigid and disciplinarian, Rommadan was sensitive and “caring” to the combatants complaints, their living conditions, their casualties, etc. I heard, IA disliked Romaddan because while IA’s eye was on “victory at any cost” Rommadan was calculating casualties vis-à-vis victory. I also heard from his staff that sometimes Romadan would not eat meals when reports of high casualties come in. Romaddan was disadvantaged because IA was the Secretary General of the party, and it was the party that led the front. Another disadvantage was Romaddan’s poor Tigrigna. On the contrary, IA did not need Romaddan to directly communicate with Romadans natural constituencies (Arab speaking Eritreans and countries of the middle East). These are personal assessments.

    • iSem

      Hi MS:
      Your muse is on as real writers like Sal would quip when the words flow and flow coherently.
      You said this: “After all, in order to make a sound comparison between Romadan and IA, you need to have the actual minutes, memos, letters…and communications of the planning and execution of historic events.”

      TRUE!, but there is one thing that you do not need these things to conclude about Romadan: his alliance with IA tells you that he was emancipated from the ethnic and religious sentiments of the days, he did not fear “hibshtay” IA, he trusted him more than his cousins like Sabbe and others, regionalism did not appeal to him even in those days, he studied with IA in China ate pork with him, debated ideas with him and liked IA’s superficial charm that hid his phsychopathic nature. Romadan was not forced to ally with IA, IA was in need to be saved not Romadan as he was more powerful than IA at time in terms of more educated ranks and even logistics. IA needed him and Romadan responded to the call of principle, shunning regional and religious tendencies, he was a revolutionary, but later when the Kebessa swell supported by the demography materialized IA sideline Romandan, he did not need him any more and was too late for Romadan
      Now this is 50 years ago, and Romadan is rumored to have studied in Al-Azhar, he is Muslim, and has ties with the Muslim word by virtue of his education and upbringing and his region. I think we can make this about Romandan without the need for the memos and minutes.

      • tes

        Selam isem,

        Individuals like Mahmud Saleh’s conservative approach is what is killing Eritrean history. They have no courage to narrate what they know. But when they are provoked, they take their defense line to protect their uncalled historical narrations. Often, a cover-up of mistakes.

        MS, could have hinted historical anecdotes that can help for researchers to do further study. Nevertheless, he is trying to shade darkness on the history that he persoanlly knows very well.

        tes

        • Abi

          Hi Tes
          Where is this gentleman ( Romadan) now? Is he in the opposition?
          Thanks

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            It is good to know your curiousity to know where is this gentleman. He is really a Gentleman – who saw power struggle and assasination from the onset of independence day and withdrawn from power in 1994.

            Now, he is in Eritrea, living as a civilian though not far from the government office without official post.

            He is the only living tegadalay with a title, “Patriot”. He is a man who has the real title that I fully endorse his entitlement. He is aman of integirity, reconcile, and unity.

            tes

          • iSem

            Hi Tes
            Romadan did not resign to distance from the killings and ugliness of PFDJ. He was purged by IA.
            As you know, all the congress, elected leaders, appointed in EPLF and PFDJ are not real, they are handpicked by IA. So IA refused for Romadan to be in the ballot even for the fake party election and he wanted to unceremoniously dismiss him, but the leaders like Dergue told IA, ezi ykffealna eyu, so Dergue deviced a plan to give Romadan dignity and he wrote a resignation letter, it was so moving that even the people who knew the secret were weeping when it was read in both langauges
            This was revealed by Amb,AdhanomG

          • tes

            Selam iSem,

            I agree with you and I wish I put “Resignation” instead of withdrawal. I hope you will agree with me. I believe that Romadan is a betrayed freedom fighter. And this happened in 1994. The time they betrayed Romadan Mohammed Nur, they also betrayed Eritrean people. Though it was a long due betrayal process, what actually happened in 1994 is the end of people’s struggle for freedom and shifting into an absolute totalitarian dictatorship system.

            Definitel, there are many betrayed freedom fighters and dozens are in detention without communicado. Biteweded is our role model. He is Nelson Mandella of Eritrea. Keeping his struggle will help us to regain our dignity for the struggle for freedom. ANd remembering Romadan Mohammed Nur will help us to see what political assasination is.

            What I see is this:

            Romadan Mohammed Nur is politically assasinated while alive without putting him in detention. He is the sole living betrayed freedom fighter who is walking to and fro in the office of the president.

            tes

          • iSem

            Hi True, RMN is a victim
            But we cannot absolve him of the crime before independence, also if had IA not denied him to be in the ballot of that false election he would have been in power. So no credit goes to RMN in his forced resignation. He has been betrayed so were the G-15 because of they were blinded by IA. It was too late for them and for us but not too little
            I give credit to RMN when credit is due and it is as I told MS he was free from the sentiments of the very early ELF and he was comfortable with IA and that alliance started as a good thing and the Nhan Elaman does not define it, it defines IA Selfi and his motives but then the entire EPLF became defined of the wrong ideas of Slefi N, a plagues that still afflicts us

          • Abi

            Thanks Tes
            If this gentleman becomes Ambassador to USA or UN or any higher position in Eritrea, would you still call him a true patriot? IA can bring him back tomorrow .

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            I think I could. I have relatively good history about him. He is a person of unity and integrity. He was an image of uniting Eritreans despite religious differences for a legitimate cause. No matter how he was disadvantaged, so far, I have not heard a single accusations against him when all his comrades are accused here and there.

            tes

        • MS

          Selam tes and SemereA
          tes, you said “Individuals like Mahmud Saleh’s conservative approach is what is killing Eritrean history. They have no courage to narrate what they know.”
          Totally unacceptable. This type of character assassinations and wanton aggression on individuals and groups that one does not like is the one that is killing Eritrean unity. Now would you tell us what you know about me that I know and not wanting to share? Have a courage and tell us then I will respond. I have always expressed what I’m expressing and I will only talk about things that I know. You are a scholar and you know what it takes if you are to produce an article that meets objective comparison. You need more than casual knowledge of the person. You need more than rare encounters, seminars, meeting’s interviews, etc. You know it very well.
          SemereA: If you are trying to make that Romaddan was better than IA because he was a Muslim, you are absolutely WRONG. The difference could be drawn only on personal characters, just like the fact that personality is totally different from yours. Politically, ideologically, they had no difference. Both of them bear the responsibility of what went wrong in EPLF, and what went right. Romadan was tight there with IA in every step. If you are looking for that type of comparison, the pal talks and youtube are full of religious, regional and ethnic fervor and comparisons. For several times, having made myself clear that I was not in any consequential capacity to know the inner working of the organization, that was your average-tegadalay, if you believe I can make an objective comparative assessment about Romadan and Issayas, it says more about your assessment of the items you are talking about more than it says about me hiding secrets. Lastly, if someone insists I know more than what I’m willing to admit, it means that person knows what I know. Therefore, there is no need to bully me into saying things I’m not sure of. tes, I ask nothing other than respectable conversation. I have seen many lie in order to get acceptance. I don’t need that. So, let the conversation continue based on a sober note.

          • iSem

            Hi MS:
            Read again, please, absolutely not!! I was saying, Romadan, though he was a Muslim by “seqqaffa” by education by proximity by the faith of his fathers as I can glean from his name R, Mohammed Al-Nur, he did not side with his Muslim group, he shunned them and his cousins to side with the Hibshtay. This makes hmi a guy was of big ideas and ideals and thought, so do not need to the memos to say thisa bout him when 50 years ago he was so enlightened, away ahead of his time.You from all the ppl should understand me in this regard.
            Unless he parents were so enlightened that they named him Meskerem Musgun Brhan (Romadan M. Nur), we can safely assume the former EPLF secretary was Muslim:-)

          • MS

            Ahlan Semere
            Thanks, and I apologize for misreading you. I think to the founders of the organization, religion was probably at the end of the list of their priority, if ever there was any feeling of that. I’m just very concerned about the current politics of the diaspora where identity, region, religion, and ethnicity have taken priority. As far as I remember, we have never been this low. It is just that sometimes you are a bit nonchalant, and somewhat FALULAWI.

          • iSem

            Sebah Al=Dumu Dumu buddy:-)
            What I was trying to say was, RMN was so emancipated and for sure his colleagues but the was the leader,given the prevailing situation inELF in the years, it was good for RMN to side with IA, a Christian and he favored him to Sabbe, so he was a man of ideas but he was with IA in all the bad things, I am not differentiating him in that regard. That alliance if IA was less cruel and genuine would have informed Eri today for the better, it was good, but then as you on ow the meeting of T came 🙂

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Mahmuday, religion might have been the end of the priority for the rank and file of the EPLF, but I think Isayas is a religious zealot. Scrutinizing his Nihnan Elamanan, the brainchild of the EPLF, would make this claim crystal clear. Saay has expounded on this issue in one of his replies to Gheteb, which I found to be very interesting analysis.

          • tes

            Selam MS,

            I will take your plea to be honest and I will respect it. Considering your experience and footage in the EPLF, here are my hypothesis to be made from your little information about this man:

            1. Romadan Mohamed Nur – was little known among ordinary freedom fighters
            2. Romadan Mohamed Nur’s position during the armed struggle was just artificail.

            Does it make sense?

            tes

          • MS

            Selam tes
            The short answer would be emmm…. kinda of. But if I have to give you a bigger picture: as far as his presence was concerned, he was well known and I think more respected. But as your number 2 stipulates, people knew the real mover and shaker was Issayas. At least according to my recollection, Romaddan was more respected than IA; IA also had respect but he was feared more than respected. You have to understand that IA did most of the day to day management of the organization, and the day to day interactions with the combatants. So, he had continued contacts with them. Rommadan was involved more in issues related to foreign affairs, and other civilian type administration. Therefore, in that sense, it makes sense. As I explained somewhere, Romafdan was disadvantaged by his poor Tigrigna also later improved somewhat.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Mahmuday, Romadan was the secretary general of the EPLF from 1977-1987, Isayas was his deputy. Despite this, as you pointed out, it was very clear in reality that Isayas was the one with real power. During the armed struggle, almost all the tegadelties didn’t know about the secret party within the front which was the nerve center of the EPLF, under the leadership of Isayas. So it surprises me a bit how the tegadelties thought about the power hierarchy in the organization, when practical exercising of power was different than the one on paper?

          • Abi

            Hi Vet Mahmud
            Here comes King of One Liners Ras Abi to the rescue!
            Repeat after me
            “ከባለቤቱ ያወቀ ቡዳ ነው”
            You welcome.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Gashe Abi,
            That is succinct and telling; you mean a veteran vs a student, I presume.

          • Abi

            Hi Ismail
            Funny you call me Gashe . In 1976 when you were attending meetings ( Syria?) , I was playing hide and seek in the backyard.
            እግዜር ያክብርልኝ

          • Ismail AA

            Gashe Abi,

            That was probably one of the good things I learned and admired when I first came to Addis Abeba. It is more a token of respect than age group etiquette. I found the same thing in Iran (Persia). If they do not know you, they address you “shoma” which equivalent to your Ïrswo”; even when it involves a minor or child. So, there was no attempt at sarcasm in the matter. You might have also noted I address XaXe Gashe Solomon.
            Regards

          • Abi

            Hi Ismail
            I did not see any sarcasm at all. Amde used to call me Lij Abi. I call myself Ras!!! It’s all good.
            እርስዎ ደግሞ ቀልድ አያውቁም እንዴ?
            Tell me about your stay in Addis. How was it?

          • Ismail AA

            Gashe Abi,
            minm yegodele alneberem; dinq new inji.

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            Very true. Though I can not claim that I know more than Mahmud Saleh does, my exposure to all walks of Eritrean life has let me to gather good information. It is just a matter of curiousity and philo-knowledge.

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes Hawey
            Lost in translation!!!
            What I said was you can not possibly know about a given person ( Vet Mahmud in this case) better than he knows about himself. I’m talking about the person himself.

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            Don’t make a coded message, especially in Tigrigna.

            tes

          • Abraham H.

            Selam tes, I understand you are quite young man, probably under 35 years old; so it strikes me how you manage to understand Amharic.

          • tes

            Selam Abraham H.,

            You are right on my age. And I didn’t study in Amharic except my first two years of my school days. I came to learn Amharique through listening. I had and still have wonderful amiche friends who came back to Eritrea from Jijiga – just to make Abi happy – though true. And in general, the area where I grew is multi-lingua. And today, I can communicate on midium level in Amharique. No problem in reading, listening and understanding. In fact, I am also a volunteer interprator with Red Cross – France – for Tigrigna and Amharique and of course Tigre and Bilen when needed.

            tes

          • Abi

            Tes is a very brilliant person. A loss to Eritrea. I mean it.

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            Don’t ever think that I am a loss to Eritrea. I am doing my share to make Eritrea free of oppression. I am no in hurry but sure Eritrea will be a free and proud nation. For this, I am fighting.

            For the oppressive regime in Asmara, I am not needed. I am too dangerous for them.

            No loss therefore.

            tes

    • tes

      Selam Mahmud,

      It is an irony to read from you that we should leave it to history. Very irony and paradox. Well, my call is very simple – though we can not to defend history, as many are continuing to, we can learn from history. And as we can see, we are not learning from history but deafening and arguing.

      I still hope from you to collect some historical facts to collect and bring something about Romadan. If not, he will be a forgotten man. Here is an important video to ask a thousand question about this man.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwf9hT6tWFY

      tes

    • ‘Gheteb

      Selam MS,

      You wrote:

      [” Semere A wrote: “Ghebe is not just giving IA credit when credit is due, in Gheteb’s inverted world, IA is the sole visionary, the executor, the strategist para excellence, the brave warrior and the prophet”] “I agree with you. What really hurts me is not that people want to highlight IA ‘s contribution, but the tendency to go as far as ignoring the roles of other REAL actors who were equally shining in the eyes of the generation who lived around that leadership”.

      Leaving aside “Ghetebs inverted world” or Semere Andoms SUBVERTED world of Torontos Tim Hortons, do you mind telling me who these “REAL actors” who were “equally shining in the eyes of the generation who lived around that leadership”. I mean I want you to write who these individuals are/were and what their role were?

      You said;

      ” The way IA is seen in the elite circle and particularly the mass organizations, and the way combatants saw him is totally different”.

      Really? Do you mind telling me what you are basing this overgeneralization on? Does the name ኤናስኣ ring a bell? Let me remind you that the members of this organization neatly fit your description of ” If you are far away from the day to day life, and if you know the EPLF by seminars, cadre school, pblications and the notorious “bado seleste” or hierarchical chain of rumors, one would believe IA was EPLF and EPLF was IA”.

      You claimed that:

      ” IA was a sponge when he would like to take ideas from his colleagues , but he would come back declaring a proprietary right on those ideas, and he would be the one explaining to the people”.

      Do you mind giving some examples that shows and proves that IA stole or was stealing others ideas?

      You assert that:

      “Romadan was a tactician, an intellectual and a theoretician. On ideology both of them agreed. On tactical levels, there are accounts that support the image of Ramadan within EPLF….”.

      Again, I am interested to know how you have come to reach to such an assessment.

      You also said:

      ” heard, IA disliked Romaddan because while IA’s eye was on “victory at any cost” Rommadan was calculating casualties vis-à-vis victory. I also heard from his staff that sometimes Romadan would not eat meals when reports of high casualties came in”.

      How accurate is the story you have heard and what makes it different than the ones propagated by the ‘notorious Bado Seleste”?

      • MS

        Ahlan Ghehteb

        I’m really getting bored (sorry, but true). BTW, I was responding in hurry, and I pushed a button sending my previous reply half complete. Anyway, I will respond one final time out of respect.
        1. You want to know who the “equally shining in the eyes of the generation who lived around that leadership”.

        I am sure you know many of them- eg. Drue, Sherifo, Wedi Afa, Mesfen, Petros….Ahmed Hilal, Kuboni, Wedi Flansa….gual Qeshi the machine gunner, Wedi Haji… Come on Ghehteb.
        2. All research papers, policy statements, talking points other than administrative ones. Any idea what a whole department led by Haile Drue and Haile Menkerios was doing? This is in addition of individual contribution made by friends whom I don’t want to mention. It’s true there was no culture of giving individual credits. But when IA presented them in a way audience understood it that he had produced them, what do you call it?
        4. Romadan versus IA: I already said it was a personal assessment based on many anecdotes over nearly 20 years. Again I’m not to hint who the people were for obvious reasons nor I’m going to tell you how close they were to those leaders.
        Final notes: Ghehteb we both want a better future for our country. Don’t you think we should have been writing without fear about these issues?
        IA is a human being and he is loaded with everything that inflicvts human beings. He makes mistakes; he gets sick; he falls in love; he loves power and control; at times, he scares to death, he gets constipated; he gets diarrhea; he farts; I mean he is a human being. Wo deHanka.

  • iSem

    Hi Sal, MS and Hayat:
    Gheteb is fascinating and when something is this fascinating people study it to discern some patterns, to glean some parameters that maybe applied to others and if following the same procedures yields the same result then the finding is scientific
    There are patterns in Gheteb’s commentaries and they are his over the top lionizing IA as if IA single headedly carved Eritrea and at least according to Amb. Andebrhan, IA think so: he brought Eritrea and he is capable of destroying, was his paraphrased line. Ghebe is not just giving IA credit when credit is due, in Gheteb’s inverted world, IA is the sole visionary, the executor, the strategist para excellence, the brave warrior and the prophet; his prophesy came to pass, Gheteb is telling us, Eritrea is lucky to have this in one, we bought one and got 5 for free and so we should stop “bitching”. IA could not even have defended himself this good, although as he slowly gaining confidence in his control he is increasingly becoming both unhinged and arrogant: where as before he would say to the effect of: if they do not treat you well, I will not be interested to be a president, or I m just one of them, it is collective effort etc. and now he says, there would not be election for 40 or 50 years or I did not promise anything to anyone etc.
    And Gheteb is increasingly following IA foot steps, when he first came here after long sabbatical he would make cursory mention on the contributions of IA and we, who were debating him had no problem on the contribution of IA and he would debate ideas and that is fine, even if wrong, he can spin the blunders of IA and PFDJ from his perspective. But now, he would not even mention that R, Mohammed Nur was the G. Secretary, he would not even mention the prophetic words of Romadan about Naqfa, the leadership of many military commanders during the Naqfa battle and for some of us, this is Deja vu, we remember, “comrades, patience, patience, the secrets will come out when the time is right, the operation of COW SHED was implementation of Comrade Napoleon’s ideas, he worked on them for days but was stolen from him”. Snowball has long gone and the poor soldiers could not even distinguish fact from fiction, every effective operation and idea was the brainchild of comrade IA is what our Squealer is saying. MS has destroyed every attempt by Squealler in this comment to elevate IA to the status of god and Sal and Hayat added to that.

    Gheteb in the last 2 years I have known him in this forum never criticized PFDJ, while even its founders do from time to time, even IA does. Gheteb is only interested in practicing the dogma of IA, obsolete and discarded by many credible sources from AKlilu to Tesfay Temnewo to Yemane T and many others who actually knew IA in person, not only did they know him in person, but have actually worked with him in closer proximity, not only worked with him in close proximity but saw him in his moment weakens, when he is drank, when he is loose lips when he is vulgar and violent and when he displayed hubris in private and Ghetebs anguished and tormented desire, laborious prose that shouts will not make a sentelia of difference to give IA the much need life line until he figures out to revive the glory he enjoyed founded on lies.
    But long before Gheteb went to the IA’s “seminary” to study the dogma, people who know IA from early teens, like the late Michael Gabir and Woldesus Ammar were so dumbfounded when they heard that IA joined ELF, they were so terrified that they wrote a letter to the leadership to keep an eye on IA, because in their student clandestine meetings IA repeatedly told them that ELF is a Muslim group and he is afraid from and is suspicious so he was not very dedicated member. But during summer break when he IA returned to Asmara and his friends Wolde-Dawit and S. Harestay were in Asmara to recruit their classmate, they made an appoint to meet IA, the Ethiopian soldiers arrested them and IA came late riding his bike and the soldiers told him to go away. Seyoum told Saleh Younis in an interview that he is greateful that IA was not arrested because it was him who told about their arrest and they were brought to court of law instead of being ordered to dig a grave and getting shot. Seyoum, in his ELF naiveté, in his true Eritrean trust, in his gullible Harestey DNA fell for that. My theory is that IA snitched on them, then to evade suspicion he told his story.
    On IA drinking, the people like Simone K and Gheteb the other binary support want proof, Irony, those who do need to accuse, 10,000 prisons of poof of crime to disappear want us proof while the proof is the entire Asmara population. Bu tthince they aske here it is
    In a new year celebration in 1989 in Sahel, in the presence of Petros Soloon and Romaodan in the residence of P. Solomon, IA was so drinking that he picked a fight with Suleiman Hindi, a commander in charge of the landmines (handessa) and they had a feast fight and IA threatened Sulemena by showing him his pants (Tigrinya man’s way of showing his manliness, I will show you my srre). Suleiman H knew better and defected but there was assassination attempt on his live twice and the second time they almost succeeded, they wounded him and his child. People knew about this in Sudan but was hard to believe, but Suleiman is still alive and he recently told that verbatim to Yemane T and I was shocked by the consistency of the stories
    But there is no future neither for Gheteb or his worshiping talent for the pattern he is displaying are tell-tale signs of someone would through stones in the streets of Keren.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam Paulos,

    What is your contribution to the Eritrean Ghedli? Have you done a fraction of what Isaias has done?

    • Paulos

      Simon,

      That is none of your business.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Paulos,

        I want to see you being defensive. Well done!

    • ‘Gheteb

      Selam Simon Kaleab,

      Paulos, in my considered opinion, is not DIFFERENTIATED. I mean that politically and otherwise.

      • Amde

        Selam Gheteb,

        I suspect I know what you mean by “not DIFFERENTIATED”. That is a despicable comment. I shudder to think what you would be planning in the old days.

        Lucky for him, he is not a dogmatic, he sees the world as it is.

        Not like your meticulously crafted fantasy of a world which is a Khruschevesque speech away from being a historical warning note.

        Amde

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          This Gheteb guy is defending in fact I should say literally worshipping the man (whatever his name is) who has turned Eritrea into a leper-colony. That is really sad to say the least.

        • Abi

          Amdachin
          ምነው ብቻህን ታወራለህ ሰው በሞላበት አገር

          • Amde

            ኣቢቲ፣

            Sorry, የምወደው ሰው ሲጠቃ አልወድም።

            Gheteb could learn a whole life time of wisdom on what it means to be well read AND an independent thinker from Paulos.

            What Gheteb demonstrates is a PhD in gangsta sycophancy. Something I never thought possible, but here we are.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            ታድያ እኮ የምትወደውን ሰው ሰው አላጠቃውም

          • Amde

            Abi,

            Oh man, that was funny.

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            “ሰው ጥሩ ሰው ጥሩ ሰው ጥሩ አንድ ሰው
            ከሚመጣው ሁሉ ከሚመላለሰው”

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Many thanks for those kind words. The feeling is mutual. We just have to learn to ignore them for they amount to nothing.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Hi Simon,

      First Paulos is not of the Ghedli generation. Second The Eritrea of today is neither for the ghedli generation nor to the hope of our nation – our young generation. Eritrea lost all the productive young generation leaving in droves seeking refugee in all corners of the world. So in such circumstances does it matter whether you contribute to our ghedli or not? None at all. Hence your question is irrelevant to the irrelevant reality of our nation. Paul’s is one the brain drain of Eritrean intellectuals.

  • ‘Gheteb

    EPLF, Naqfa And Isaias Afwerki: A Sobering Counterpoint

    Greetings!!

    As we approach the third decade mark of the decimation of the Nadew Command (EZ), we are reading a plethora of Naqfa narratives. Some from the PFDJ corner; others from the opposition camp; and still some from other corners, all of which confirming the CENTRALITY of Naqfa in the annals of the unexampled Eritrean Revolution. As it is de rigueur in all the narration by almost all in the Eritrean opposition camp, the Naqfa chronicle is viewed through an anti-PFDJ prism.

    Others, Ethiopians and their Eritrean fellow travelers, be they Ethiopian wannabes or actually Ethiopians posing as Eritreans, are mightily trying to irrigate an Ethiopian or a Weyane version of the Naqfa account. Others, of course, are upchucking and heaving what they heard from a Torontos Tim Horton chit-chats, as if an account suffused with animus of the subjective type passes for a veritably objective account.

    If the history of Naqfa is to take its proper place in Eritrea’s UNPARALLED Revolution, one is obligated to render an account that captures all the developments in the Eritrean field or theater as they actually transpired and NOT to ‘politicize’ it in an effort of scoring some political brownie points. Now the question is that how did the Naqfa narrative ( late 1978 to early 1988) unfold and what was the actual role of Isaias Afweri, the nemesis and bete noire of all the anti-PFDJ elements, be they Eritreans, Ethiopians, Ethiopian wannabes and those Ethiopians who pose as Eritreans.

    The Naqfa chronicle commenced in the late 1978, just on the heels of EPLF’s historic strategic withdrawal from all the liberated town/cities and the defense of Naqfa started after that. Right after withdrawing from the city of Keren, the EPLF’s information department conducted an extensive interview with Isaias Afwerki. The official organ of the EPLF, Vanguard, (መሪሕ), covered this historic interview in a special edition (ፉሉይ ሕታም) of its periodical.

    It was in this historic interview that Isaias Afwerki annunciated and exhaustively dealt with how the EPLF intended to deal with the massive campaigns and military offensives of the Ethiopian Dergue. For the first time, the term “War Of Attrition” (ምርብራብ), was introduced to the EPLF’s military parlance. In this interview, Isaias articulated lucidly what this EPLF strategy was and what the ultimate result will be. He expatiated further, by rendering the final result of this military strategy by offering an illuminatingly PROPHETIC sentence:

    ” In a battle or a military conflict, it is par of the course, (normal), that ones armed units to advance or retreat ( push or being pushed). In the final analysis and after a short period of conducting war of attrition, it is certain that the tide of the war will veer towards the interest of the Eritrean revolution”.

    As was captured in one of the EPLF’s songs, with some of the lyrics going like…

    ኣብ ኪናት ግጥምያ ኣብ ዝግበር አዋን
    ክትደፍአ ክትድፋእ ዝነበርን ዘሎን
    ኣብቲ መጨረሻ ናይ መርብራብ ግዜ ግን
    ንረብሓ ህዝብና ክኸውን እዩ ናይ ግድን

    And to evoke and conjure up the appositeness and the historic nature of Isaias’s interview in the Special Edition of EPLFs Official Organ, Vanguard, (ፉሉይ ሕታም), here are some lines from the lyrics of one the EPLF’s songs sometimes in the early eighties.

    ምዝላቅ ሓሊፍና ኣብ ምጥቃዕ፣ ንጻዕዳ ሰራዊት ንምጥፋእ
    ተረባሪብና ብሓቂ “ፉሉይ ሕታምና” ንዘክር

    Here we see that the EPLF moving from a defensive to an offensive posture as was presciently predicted by non other than Isaias Afwerki.

    Now many may say that, but the military committee of the EPLF led by the martyred Ibrahim Afa, may have had a role in developing this very strategy. Sure, they may have contributed the details and minutiae and details of the military developments in the late seventies. However, all these and other information gleaned from the Eritrean field birthed this new strategy, which, by all appearances, is the BRAINCHILD of Isaias Afwerki.

    All the developments that the EPLA went through and the experience it had gained from foiling some 7 to 8 Dergues military offensives, one notices that the EPLF’s experience, the inter-relations among its units cohering and its Command And Control (እዝን ቁጽጽርን) becoming effective, as was explicated by General Sibhat Ephrem in ones of his interviews. All these led to the final push that clobbered and made a mince meat of The Naqfa front or Nadew Ez, which by all accounts was viewed as “The Center Of Gravity” (ማእከል ስሕበት) of the Ethiopian Armed Forces. The immediate aftermath of this operation, inter alia, were that the perfidious Weyanes, changed their mind that the EPLF was not going to be defeated, but was on its way to bury the Dergues army in Eritrea and therefore they better jump onto the EPLFs band wagon. Yeah, TPLFs opportunism knows no bounds!

    Finally, those who try to minimize Isaiass pivotal role and are lambasting those they are accusing of lionizing Isaias, are simply forgetting that this is not an attempt of rendering a Isaias hagiography vis-à-vis Naqfa, but a sobering counter point that attempts of yarning a Naqfa chronicle that is probably close to the truth.

    • MS

      Selam Ghehteb
      Thanks for comment. Here is where I differ with the narrative you presented: I tend to recognize that almost 95% of the credit goes to Eritrean people and their tegadalay, while your narrative tends to give almost all the credit to IA, you guys want to make us believe that without IA we would not have achieved independence, and without him we can’t stand a chance to continue as a nation. Basically, that is the central line of why IA is lionized. Reading your comment, one would believe that IA possessed the miracle of the victory of an otherwise forgotten war. Why we beat the odds?
      – We had a clear cause, and unwavering conviction to have an end to that cause. ALL Eritreans.
      -That generation bore the brunt of untold misery, HOPE was its ration. You can’t replicate it, and that’s where my anger stems from. IA could have used that energy and optimism to the cause of rapid nation-building.
      -Ethiopians, despite their man and fire power superiority, were fighting a wrong fight.
      -You could add other favorable factors such as having an outlet to the outside world (the people and governments of Sudan, and other non strategic but helpful components
      I don’t know the man, other than my familiarity with him like any other tegadalay, and I don’t have a personal grudges towards him, the only complaint I have is that this man has really caused Eritrea to lose many opportunities. If you believe he mad miracles during the struggle era, we have not witnessed his miracle when it was most needed in post Eritrea. But that’s a tangential point.
      You present IA’s interview of 1978 as an original idea.
      1. That statement on protracted war was not original, and it was not “the BRAINCHILD of Isaias Afwerki..” and the fact that protracted war goes from offensive to offensive was not ” presciently predicted by non other than Isaias Afwerki” It was a theory, the legacy of Mao or guerrilla leaders and movements. IA just learned it from Chairman Mao: Strategic defense, stalemate, offensive. Chairman Mao analyzed the Chinese society, and the peasant support of the communist Part, and concluded the number was on his favor. IA copied that and tried to implement the doctrine exactly as the Chinese did. When IA gave that interview, he was not thinking about returning to Nakfa, he was preparing to defend Keren. The famous Elabered battle was won, there was a front line on the Western of Keren to defend the city from Ethiopian divisions that were advancing from Barka (Aqordat). All that changed when Ethiopian mechanized divisions drove full throttle to MaEmide taking advantage of the Eastern flank (coastal plains) that was not defended. And one would question IA genius for not thinking about that. That’s why the evacuation from Keren was hasty and somewhat disorganized.
      2. EPLF battles were won mostly by the improvisations low and junior officer did. On tactical level, EPLF battles were won because of the ranks up to battalion commander, defense lines were constantly improved, sometimes over night, by the ingenuity and innovativeness of low ranking commanders.
      3. The defense of Nakfa was established and stabilized by the inputs of people like Ali Ibrehim, who was known by Ethiopian commanders as “The General” and the brigade he commanded, 51; Iseyas Flansa and his 58th brigade and other support regiments. Top commanders of the Front line included Petros Solomon, Ali Said Abdalla, and later Mesfun Hagos; again the defense of Nakfa is shared by all those who fought in that front.
      4. IA is known for his dogmatic interpretations.
      – EPLF spent ten years trying to implement Chinese experience, as it was, in its military and political spheres, without saying much about Eritrean history and its society. Seminars, books pamphlets were all about China. Chinese cultural revolution was tried in Eritrea, categorizing the society along class and ethnic lines, cleansing the Front from voices of dissent….
      – IA believed the Soviets were strategic friends despite the fact that USSR napalms, warplanes tanks were pounding us. When he spoke in the eve of the 6th offensive, he said that foiling this offensive will contribute to the struggle against imperialism….
      5. You keep repeat repeating “non other than IA…”, who else was there who was given the chance to freely express his/her view, assessment of the situation and offer an alternative? I mean you can say “non other than…” in a competitive market; if there were competing views and IA view won the appreciation of the majority, or proved to be the most desirable one, you could use “non other than…”
      So, with all due respect, less of lionizing IA and more of giving credit to the people of Eritrea will open the door for reading the current situation within its proper context, and it will help us think that we could have a better leader and a better future. Basically, we know only one man in our almost 50 years. The fact that he imposed his control does not mean we could not find better leaders out of 6 million people; the fact that he imposed his ideas on for the last 50 years does not mean we would not or will not find better ideas.
      With regards.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam MS,

        You said: The idea of “protracted war was not an original one” by Isaias.

        Let us assume your assertion is true. Can one copy someone’s ideas mechanically to apply them to any condition? No. At the minimum, Isaias deserves credit for being able to apply such methods to the Eritrean reality. Modifying an idea to suit a new condition is a good measure of intelligence in itself.

        Further, could you have been able to do the same if you were in Isaias’ position?

        • tes

          Selam Simon,

          A robot can be programmed to function a certain job. But then, you can not expect this robot to go beyond. Therefore, do you give credit for the programmer or for the robot?

          In this case, Mao was the programming expert, and DIA is the Robot to perform the job.

          DIA is a beneficiary of Mao books.Point

          tes

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam tes,

            So, you become a programmed robot of some author if you read that author’s book.

            I want to tell you that I prefer the rule of Isaias, with all the associated faults, compared to a rule by people like you who can not reason logically.

          • tes

            Selam Simon,

            You wrote this below. I am putting it here as it seems inactive. it is for record.

          • tes

            Selam Simon,

            You have the power to figure out if I am a programmed robot.

            But this has fully exposed your stand:

            I want to tell you that I prefer the rule of Isaias, with all the associated faults, compared to a rule by people like you who can not reason logically.

            It is very hard for me to put you as a genuine man from today on wards. And I will act accordingly. No more camauflaging here. It is good to put youn on the same boat as that of Nitricc, Gheteb and Semere Tesfai.

            I am happy to see you revealing yourself my friend Simon.

            tes

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam MS,

        Thanks for the feedback and your detailed responses. I will try to zero in on issues that are pertinent to the salient points I tried to impart on my previous comment and briefly touch on the adventitious issues you touched on to buttress your take on the issues at hand. I will try to specifically address the main issues on your rebuttal.

        (1) On the issue of “Protracted Peoples War (PPW)” Vs. “War Of Attrition (WOA)”

        I am not gainsaying that the EPLF in general and Isaias Afwerki in particular subscribed to the Maoist war strategy of “PPW”. As the EPLF’s overall take of Marxism-Leninism was, the way the “PPW” was viewed by the EPLF, its clandestine party and by extension Isaias Afwerki was to apply this military strategy NOT dogmatically but by adapting it to Eritrea’s objective conditions or taking the Eritrean context into consideration. Isaiass take on this issue was NEVER a dogmatic one, but it was that he approached and took this strategy with a copious amount of Eritrean salt.

        Now, the distinction between “PPW” and “WOA” may not be apparent at first blush, but in the Eritrean context they were NOT the same nor were they interchangeable. The former was understood to be Maoist while the later is of a different emanations. To be sure, “War Of Attrition (WOA)” is what is known in military strategy as the Fabian Strategy (FS):

        ” The Fabian strategy is a military strategy where pitched battles and frontal assaults are avoided in favor of wearing down an opponent through a war of attrition and indirection. While avoiding decisive battles, the side employing this strategy harasses its enemy through skirmishes to cause attrition, disrupt supply and affect morale. Employment of this strategy implies that the side adopting this strategy believes time is on its side, but it may also be adopted when no feasible alternative strategy can be devised”.

        To see the distinction between “PPW” and “WOA”, check the following link.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_strategy

        I contended that this approach of ”WOA” — “War Of Attrition” (ምርብራብ) — was the brainchild of Isaias Afwerki and it was in that particular year in 1978 that it was introduced in the EPLF military parlance. I haven’t read or heard this very phrase of “WOA” before Isaiass interview. None whatsoever. Therefore, your take attempts to subsume “WOA” on “PPW” which, in my considered opinion, is NOT correct.

        I am quite aware that the EPLF have translated quite a number of Mao’s works and I think that Mao’s ” On Protracted Peoples Warfare” — ብዛዕባ ዝትናወሐ ህዝባዊ ቅዲ-ኪናት– was one of them.

        (2) On the role of the Eritrean people and the Eritrean Tegadalay

        You are saying that ” I tend to recognize that almost 95% of the credit goes to Eritrean people and their tegadalay, while your narrative tends to give almost all the credits to IA”.

        This issue was not who should get more credit in regards to the success of the Eritrean revolution. Rather, the issue was where did this strategy of “WOA” spring, originate or came from. I maintain that Isaias Afwerki was the well-spring, the fountainhead and, yes, the brainchild of it. If you think that others did so, please do provide who they were and where and when did they annunciate it? Please, don’t tell me that they were repressed and didn’t have a chance to articulate their views. The term “Comrade” — ብጻይ– is credited and attributed to ” ብጻይ ጎይተኦም” and no one else in the EPLF. Ditto, “WOA” to Isaias Afwerki.

        Regarding the role and importance of the Eritrean people in the success of the Eritrean Revolution, here is what Isaias Afwerki said on the occasion of the first anniversary of the liberation of Keren in 1978. He said something on his address to the effect that, even if the Dergue is announcing of planning to recruit hundred of thousands of troops for its war campaign, Eritrea will resist it with its more than 3.5 million people.

        I can tell you confidently that Isaias was in Keren in those months leading to the strategic withdrawal from that very city. The historic interview in the EPLFs official organ, Vanguard — Merih– special edition that laid the strategic foundation that ultimately led to the defeat of the Ethiopian occupation forces in Eritrea, aimed at addressing the changing military situation in Eritrea.

        In those days, when Ethiopias first offensive pushed the EPLFs defensive lines back to Ella BerEd (ዒላ በርዕድ) and back from Engrene (እንግርነ) to Tunqulahas (ጡንቁለሓስ). While Isaias was handling and commanding the Tunqulahas (ጡንቁለሓስ) defensive lines of the EPLA, the martyred Ibrahim Afa was ably leading the counteroffensive of Ella BerEd (ዒላ በርዕድ). While the Ethiopian forces did not manage to break through both fronts, the emerging situation in MaEmide changed the whole EPLFs strategy of the defense of Keren. Finally, all the EPLA was doing was holding back the Ethiopian adavance so as to effectuate the withdrawal of EPLF military assets and the evacuation of Kerenite civilians. You are saying that ” the evacuation from Keren was hasty and somewhat disorganized”. I beg to differ here.

        Isaias was among the LAST batch to leave Keren. Actually he drove from one end of Keren to the other end before his final departure indicating that the EPLFs withdrawal from Keren was far from being haphazard.

        (3) On the role and inputs of others in the defense of Naqfa

        I am the last person to deny the heroism of EPLF commanders and the gallantry of the EPLAs rank and file Tegadalays. The main theme and tenor of my argument was never about the implementation of the “WOA” — War Of Attrition, but the origination of the very military strategy. While I have contended that Isaias was at the heart of this very strategy, that it was his BRAINCHILD, you are talking about the “IMPLEMENTERS” of this very military plan. So, you have NOT countered what I maintained in my note by offering that the EPLFs defensive strategy originated or emanated from another person who was NOT Isaias.

        You also say that, “EPLF battles were won mostly by the improvisations of low and junior officer did. On tactical level, EPLF battles were won because of the ranks up to battalion commander, defense lines were constantly improved, sometimes over night, by the ingenuity and innovativeness of low ranking commanders”.

        You are absolutely right here. But what you have forgotten to mention is that this is one of the basic tenets of the EPLF military strategy that has been incorporated into its Command And Control. According to Sibhat Ephrem, this tenet espouses the notion of giving the field commanders the directives for a given battle, but also to apply and change these directives based on the vicissitudes of a given battle or military campaign. As you know, at the very tip of this command and control sat or sits Isaias Afwerki. It was not like these field commanders were adapting the directives coming from the top of the chain of command, but they were ENABLED and allowed to do so from the get-go.

        (4) On the issues of Isaiass views on “Chinese experience” and The Soviet Union

        Not only Isaias, in those years, the whole of EPLFs clandestine party –The EPRP– subscribed to Maoism and the “Chinese experience”. Retrospectively, this Chinese experience had its utility and usefulness in the Eritrean field at least offering the EPLF an experience to learn from it. Its utility was seen in fields ranging from the military to the social aspects of the EPLFs struggle. Where do you think the EPLF got the idea of “The Bare Foot Doctor” (ኣጋር ሓኪም)? It was NOT from any other revolutionary experience but from these “Chinese Experience” that you are needlessly accusing Isaias Afwerki to be dogmatic to.

        As for the Soviets role on the Eritrean issue, the EPLF and by extension Isaias is that the EPLF believed that labeling the Soviet Union as an enemy of the Eritrean Revolution was a useless and counter productive stance that was not going to change the Eritrean reality even one iota. The sagacity of this stand can be seen from what the TPLFs stand vis-à-vis The Soviet Union produced after the Weyanes labelling it as “Social Revisionists”. What did this TPLF stance produce in regards to the USSRs stand on the Ethiopian and Eritrean issue? NOTHING! That was why the EPLF didn’t want to get entangled and embroiled in the debates that was raging in the Socialist camp.

        (5) Finally, on the actual role of Isaias as the top commander of the EPLA

        There was no meaningful battle or military campaign in the annals of the EPLA that one doesn’t see the handprints or inputs of Isaias. There are nary a major battle in the history of the EPLF that Isaias did not participate in the management of these battles. From the early seventies to the day of Eritreas independence he was there from the very inception of the battle plans to the final execution, one can safely assert that he was involved hands-on, literally.

        Who can deny and contradict, for instance, Isaiass role in EPLF preparation for the 6th Red Star offensive when the EPLFs departments were working hectically working for long hours. Isaias was helping the Woodworks Department (ራሕባ) where he was contributing through his inputs in the repair, maintenance and improvements of rifles and other military fixtures,

        Who can deny that it was from Isaias to an EPLF politburo member that the directives were passed to the field commanders. I mean that the chain of command was:

        Isaias Afwerki —-> Politburo member —–> Corps Commander —> Division leader —> Brigade commander ….

        Ibrahim Afa, in the years to the late 70s, Petros Solomon, the battle of Barentu in 1978, Ali said Abdella and Petros Solomon in the 6th Offensive, Oqbe Abraha in the Weqaw Ez and later after the EPLFs Second Organizational Congress, through its Chief of General Staff, Sibhat Ephrem, all of which were EPLFs Politburo members.

        Let me finish this rebuttal by way of offering an anecdotal note that captures the role of Isaias. Sometime in the mid-80s, Isaias was on a visit to Somalia. The EPLF leadership in the Eritrean field were of the belief that the Ethiopians were about to start a military campaign against the EPLA. An urgent message was sent to Mogadishu, Somalia, where Isaias was on a visit. The message urged for the immediate return of Isaias to the Eritrean field given the intelligence that they gathered about an impending Ethiopian offensive against the EPLA.

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Salam Gheteb,

          Isaias as an organization leader after independence was give a chance to lead the entire Eritrean people, but he has chosen to be the leader of Shima-Nigus-Laalay and Shima-Nigus-Tahtay militias. This example alone makes all what you claim void of reality.

          When the leader was the Eritrean people they succeeded in defeating Ethiopia, but when Isaias was the leader in Bademe war he was defeated. Give Isaias the credit he deserves. Hamde Adig Hamido Yibah.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hameed,

            You need to use your time wisely. Why don’t you grab power in Eritrea with the help of your militias?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            I want to see Eritrea a democratic country where justice prevail. I am against replacing Shifta by Shifta. No sane person loads a hyena with meat.

        • saay7

          Selamat Cuz Gheteb:

          That was a tour de force.

          As a reader, I ask: how does the author know this? You can only know this because (a) you witnessed it; (b) you applied deductive reasoning and your conclusions were the only logical ones; (c) you heard it from reliable sources.

          We have a dilemma here: the EPLF as an organization strongly shunned cults of personality, while the EPLF mass organizations created a strong cult of personality around Isaias Afwerki. How is this possible? Let’s go back in time with the help of Aklilu Zere:

          Despite the fact that Isaias Afwerki was a recent recruit, the Eritrean Liberation Front (ELF) sent him to China for a six-month military/political indoctrination. When he came back, despite his rebellious ways, it elected him to leadership position of the General Command (Qiad al Amma or TeQlalit MeriHnet), in the news and information division and dispatched him to the Eritrean highlands to smooth-over the strained relations between ELF leadership and the Tigrinya-speaking fighters and former fighters. Isaias then was a 23-year old, who considered himself superior to all the bosses giving him directions when he should be giving directions. Let Aklilu continue the story:

          Nsu hoped for executive position in the conference, a position to assume power and control, a far fetched hope only people who sold their soul to power envisioned. He was egoistic and asocial thus incapable of assessing his social position and social skills. He was devoid of civility and consideration for others. He was twenty three years old first year university student with unresolved childhood traumas and contradictions. He was also new to the struggle albeit his six month training in China which he considered the best school in the universe.

          Nsu was determined and he firmly believed that fate was with him. Encouraged by demonic ambition; guided by fate as his compass and supported by dream for power as his cane he reached the highland.

          On his way to the highland he avoided all nomadic settlements and villages because he did not want to see people. He was upset with Eritrean people, all people.

          Had he passed through a nomadic settlement, the nomadic women would have broken the custom and uncovered their veil to see him with their beautiful bare eyes, welcomed their son and treat him with dry camel meat, sweet cold butter milk and blessed his journey.

          Not Nsu. He had no interest in them. His plan was not to be welcomed in his present state. He had an idea.

          Had he passed through a Blen village the beautiful women with chiseled body (they dance a lot) and colorful dresses and finely and artistically braided hair would have sang and welcomed him and treated him with millet bread, fresh goat milk, roasted peanuts and blessed his journey.

          Not Nsu. He had no interest in them, in their gifts or blessings.

          Had he passed through a highland Kushet the direct and loving women would have thrown their shawl, spread their arm and welcomed him with ululation and would have treated him with cold water, barley bread and boiled fresh potatoes.

          Not Nsu. He had no interest in them. His plan was not to be welcomed in his present state. He had an idea.

          The lone and long walk from the arid plains of the lowland to the high plateau gave him time and space to consolidate his plans. Long and lonely travel provided him with ample time for contemplation and meditation. It also enabled him to survey the landscape for future plans and uses. He survived his journey on dry bread, sugar and honey he carried in metal containers. He also took with him an Olivetti typewriter, the only typewriter the strugglers had.

          He used the typewriter to undermine the people who gave it to him and he has been using it since: in the furtherance of his sole project: the deification of Isaias Afwerki.

          Now, then, in no particular order:

          1. To rebut Mahmuday’s assertion that the strategic withdrawal from Keren was hasty (by EPLF standards: which usually packs everything and hauls it to Sahel), you said that Isaias Afwerki “drove from one end of Keren to the other end before his final departure.” This would be quite impressive if the distance between one end to the other…I will stop: Kerenites may get offended. The important thing is that one of the other ends of Keren is the road to Sahel.

          More crucially, this act was repeated when Weyane occupied Barentu and was driving towards Sawa and the Eritrean people were in a state of shock. Isaias Afwerki, donning military fatigues and klashnikov, was seen in…. Keren. Why not Barentu or Aqordat? Because there are a LOT more people in Keren.

          2. How much did Isaias Afwerki copy from Chairman Mao? Everything. Name a Chinese phenomenon and you will find it in EPLF. Contempt for peasants? Check. (Aklilu says he never called the recruits “tegadalai” but “chegwar danga.” Criticism and self-criticism? Check. Purges? Remember “The Three Privileges” ? Zero tolerance for the faintest signs of dissent? Check. Exterior image of selflessness and calm, in steep contrast to actual debauchery and licenses.

          You can see this even now, in wikileak entitled Isaias Zedong:

          President Isaias made a surprise appearance at the Chinese Embassy’s reception celebrating the 60th anniversary of the
          Communist takeover of China. In a rare breech of Eritrea’s strictly observed protocol, Isaias interacted with the Chinese ambassador, despite not having officially received his credentials. Isaias was quickly ushered into a private dining room where he, five Chinese diplomats, and six senior
          Eritrean officials ate Chinese food, drank Moutai, and fondly discussed Sino-Eritrean relations. Romedan Mohamed Nur, who trained in China with Isaias in the mid-1960s, was present but largely ignored by the Eritrean president. Chinese Ambassador Li Liansheng later provided a detailed read-out to
          the ambassador. President Isaias mentioned ten times during the course of the evening his “42-year long relationship with China,” dating from his 1967 training as a political commissar during Mao’s Cultural Revolution…… He remarked repeatedly on his admiration of Chairman Mao and claimed that Mao laid the foundation for all of China’s subsequent achievements.

          Remember, this is the Chinese ambassador in Eritrea narrating what happened to the US ambassador in Eritrea so you can’t blame this on “misinformation.”

          3. Total Domination of Official and Unofficial Media

          Shortly after Eritrea’s independence, the country went through a brief experiment with literature that did not cannonize Isaias Afwerki. In “SrHit Commando”, which was about the EPLF’s successful attack of Asmara’s military airport and destruction of Ethiopian MiGs, there is one guy who emerges as the hero: SebHat Ephrem. Isaias is not mentioned anywhere. Alamin Mohammed Seid (the Secretary of PFDJ) wrote his biography, where Isaias was a supporting actor.

          Guess what happened? Isaias went in one of those interviews that are reserved for him and dismissed such books. He likes propaganda to be subtle, but he wants it to be all about him.

          To be continued, time permitting.

          saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Ahlan Cuz SAAY,

            As I hit the post button on the reply box with my response, I

          • saay7

            Hey Cuz:

            Out and about; will watch th videos later. If it’s by Mohammed Berhan Blatta, without watching it, I will wager 10 Naqfas (the currency not the fortress) that not only does it not contradict what Aklilu said but actually strengthens it.

            yiqetlal…

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hey Cuz SAAY,

            Please, do watch it and do NOT change and stick to your wager for I will remind you about this, come rain or sunshine!

          • saay7

            Selamat Cuz Gheteb:

            Thank you for the two hour homework. I was going to pull a Semere Tesfai and say “I am so busy, i will get back to you” and ignore it, but duty to cuz said no.

            So, I have watched them.

            Now, what’s that the arabs say?

            وري برهانك

            show your cards! I am armed and I am dangerous 🙂

            And, man, I know I haven’t been to keren in forever but even I know it has 3 escape routes, I mean, exits. But I discounted one: the one that takes you to Asmara.

            By the way, for those of you who come to Awate University to learn history: Adobha Conference was in 1969, and the First National Congress of the ELF was in 1971.

            hat ali endek.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            I think you have exhausted all your congresses and conferences starting who knows when. No wonder why you haven’t done it in forever (1991?). Glad to attend Awate University.

          • saay7

            Haha Abi:

            Did you see the tehadso that the senior partner of your government, arbeNaw weyane, did in Welqait? I know Fantiness hides stuff from you, but this is Weyane’s idea of a congress: Stalinist self-criticism in Humera of people saying “we are not amara, we are tigrayans”:

            https://youtu.be/IWEkyH_FLLg

            We are a young country trying to learn from out big neighbors (Ethiopia and Sudan) but man oh man you guys suck 😂

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,

            Now, this is justice by the people for the people! What are you complaining about?

          • saay7

            Fanta Ghana:

            You know better. Justice should never be by the people but rule of law. The people once drowned women for being witches

            Saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Howdy Cuz SAAY,

            Let me let you in on what I thought about the likes of Aklilu Zere et al takes on why and how Isaias went about ‘splintering’ and breaking away from the ELF. Unlike what you read in the unmitigated blather that so many have regurgitated so far in this issue, the video interview with the veteran fighter laid to waste these baseless conjectures and unfounded surmises when one gleans the following:

            (1) Isaias did not leave for the Eritrean Kebessa with the intention of breaking away from the ELF.

            (2) Isaias didn’t entertain the notion of splintering from Jebha while he was with the ELF in Barka.

            (3) Isaias left to the Eritrean highlands to discharge his duties as member of the Political/Information department in accordance with the rules of The General Command.

            (4) The assertion by Aklilu Zere (AZ) that ” Nsu hoped for executive position in the conference, a position to assume power and control, a far fetched hope only people who sold their soul to power envisioned”, is no where corroborated, nay, even remotely adumbrated by the narrations of the veteran ELF fighter Mohammed Berhan Blata (MBB).

            (5) The claim by AZ that, “He also took with him an Olivetti typewriter, the only typewriter the strugglers had” is an utter HOGWASH and a blatant lie as the ”Shikenni group” who were to cover the Baraka/Sahil region also had their own type writer.

            (6) The letter that Isaias wrote to Kidane Kiflu and Welday Ghidey at the urging of MBB, is an irrefutable testimony that Isaias was NOT dogmatic when it comes to concepts of Maoism, democracy and what have you. Interestingly, this testimony showed the acute sensitivity of the Eritrean society. Moreover, it flies on the face of MS ( Mahmud Salehs) assertion that Isaias was dogmatic about the application of Maoism in Eritrea.

            (7) The utter bunkum and balderdash that AZ wrote about Isaias avoiding the lowland people of Eritrea and Isaiass being ‘asocial’ is nothing more than a product of AZs social workers mind misreading Isaias in those years. No where in the video interview that MBB even hinted that.

          • saay7

            Hey Cuz Gheteb:

            In the immortal words of Samuel L Jackson (wait for it Amde): “well, allow me to retort”

            Aklilu Zere’s point was that Isaias Afwerki was unwilling to be a team-player and participate within the rules set by the leadership of Qiad Al-Amma (something that Mohammed Berhan Blatta was willing to do, something that Herui Tedla Bairu was willing to, something that many leaders of the ELF who had real reservations were willing to) because he considered himself superior to the ELF leadership. Just like I mixed up the years (adobha was in 1969 and not 1971), Akllilu may have mixed up the years but he was talking about the time IA went to Ala and selected (using his criteria for selection that AZ goes to great extent to explain: hint: it is the same one that was used to recruit Commandis by Israelis);

            Now then, the reason I said with absolute confidence that Mohammed Berhan Blatta would substantiate the claims of Aklilu Zere is because I knew (given MBB’s role in the struggle and his love of history-narrating) that he would mention Michael Gaber, who was a fellow student with IA at Haile Selasse University. And one thing that my and your teacher Michael Gaber said with the conviction of a prophet is that if IA were to go to the field from Addis Abeba, he would absolutely splinter from the ELF. Why? Because Michael Gaber is a Christian lowlander and as Christian lowlander, he navigated both Eritrea’s cultures. And the one thing he knew IA was obsessed about is that to IA, Muslim = Jihad extremist. (You can find this in Nehnan Elamanan where the document, co-authored by IA, says that the ELF Leaderhsip (not a stain of the ELF, not some members of the leadership of the ELF, but the mainstream of the ELF leadership) was fighting “in the path of allah.” (Nehanan Elamanan actually says “fi sabil allah” and the document was written in November 1971: stunning when the ELF leadership was made up of Nationalists, Nasserites, Baathists, and out-and-out communists.

            Was Michael Gabre exaggerating? Well, let’s see. Two Eritrean christian highlanders,Kidane Kiflu and Welday Ghidey, are killed by security agents of the ELF. The ELF leadership, including MBB, is stunned by this. They are agonizing over how to solve this tragic act. MBB says that the leadership of the ELF did not sanction this: that it was the result of the prevailing condition in Sudan when the Haile Selasse regime had inflitrated the front thoroughly. MBB says that those who executed Kidane Kiflu and Welday Ghidey were, themselves, nationalists who died for Eritrea fighting Ethiopian army in Barentu.

            What does IA, who had believed way back in Addis Abeba that the ELF was led by Jihadist do? He writes a 16-page letter to the ELF and tells them that he is out: he is going to find like-minded fighters. And off he goes to Alla: where he recruits Eritrean christian highlanders by telling them that the ELF Amma is “haradit” (knife-slitter). Meanwhile, other ELF leaders who lose family members to vigilante justice committed against their Ethiopian-agent family members, never leave and stay in the ELF.

            Now, Gheteb, why does this all ring true to me? Awate.com was founded by Saleh Gadi Johar and it has been co-led by me, Saleh Younis, for over 15 years (until I left.) For the entire time, when people heard awate.com, all they heard was “Muslim.” Some also imagined Jihadist. Despite the fact that, in over 15 years of hundreds of articles, editorials, there is nothing remotely Islamist about what we wrote. That is the sentiment now. That was the sentiment of IA in 1965. The evidence: his bolting when he heard of the death of two Christian highlanders (when many more Muslim lowlanders were being killed); the prophecy of Michael Gaber; and the language of Nehanan Elamanan which described the ELF, an org made up of leftists, communists, nationalist, secularist, Nasserite, Baathists org as a jihadist organization.

            Now, cuz, feel free to insert unmitigated blather, regurgitated, surmises, adumrated,bunkum, balderdash anywhere in the above para.

            saay

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Saay, this was a jewel, thanks as always for your skillful analysis of the intricate history of our liberation struggle.

        • MS

          Selam Ghehteb
          Thanks for the rather detailed reply. Few points:
          1. IA led the front, and I assigned of 5% a credit to him, I think that’s enough. I say this because, EPLF leadership communications, deliberations, consultations are still classified. We don’t know who proposed what and the processes of the debates, etc. Therefore, one would be so generous to give 5% to an individual who has appropriated a 30 years popular efforts and sacrifices and still continue to lead the country from blunders to blunders. There is no question IA was a workaholic man, and a micromanager. So, let’s get that out of the way. But we don’t know if we would have found even more workaholic and micromanager and yet visionary and reconciliatory. We just don’t know. We know about the apparatus that he had put in place which had enabled him to stay in power unchallenged, call it the secret party or its security arm. Therefore, in a world where no one else would speak freely, all that people read and heard was IA talking. I will try to come back, jus a bit busy.
          2. The following link will show that war of attrition (WOA) was not IA’s original idea.
          http://shorturl.at/clnt1
          peoples protracted war: It becomes people’s because its cause is people’s cause, and it enjoys popular support. It includes political, organizational, mobilization efforts, propaganda, international aspect….
          War of attrition: one component of the military strategy. The above statement of chairman Mao was translated into Tigrigna and I believe into Arabic. It discusses war of attrition within the framework of protracted people’s war. By the way, Mao explained it within Chinese context of 1930s, otherwise as a military concept it was not new.
          3. Again, my thrust is not to deny any credits to anyone, but to claim the collective sacrifices of our people. More to come.

          • MS

            Hello there;
            Sorry, while scribbling things in a hurry, I pasted a wrong URL. The correct link , Chairman Mao’s statement on Protracted War (1938) is now provided to demonstrate that concepts such as ” war of attrition”, or, strategic withdrawal, are not IA’s original ideas, as Ghehteb is trying to assert. The concept of strategic withdrawal itself was not a new concept..
            http://shorturl.at/cfvGJ

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam MS,

            I read your response and thanks for your input and feedback. Here, again, goes my sur-rejoinder and I hope you will address the issues I am going to touch upon here.

            (1) Exactly where did I assert that the concepts of “War Of Attrition” — WOF — and “Strategic Withdrawal” — SW — are ” IA’s original ideas”? Remember that I was talking about this in the Eritrean context.

            Here is what I wrote in my comments.

            ” It was in this historic interview that Isaias Afwerki annunciated and exhaustively dealt with how the EPLF intended to deal with the massive campaigns and military offensives of the Ethiopian Dergue. For the first time, the term “War Of Attrition” (ምርብራብ), was introduced to the EPLF’s military parlance. In this interview, Isaias articulated lucidly what this EPLF strategy was and what the ultimate result will be. He expatiated further, by rendering the final result of this military strategy by offering an illuminatingly PROPHETIC sentence:”.

            ” In a battle or a military conflict, it is par of the course (normal), that ones armed units to advance or retreat ( push or being pushed). In the final analysis and after a short period of conducting war of attrition, it is certain that the tide of the war will veer towards the interest of the Eritrean revolution”.

            On Isaiass role vis-à-vis this very phrase of “WOF”, I wrote:

            ” Now many may say that, but the military committee of the EPLF led by the martyred Ibrahim Afa, may have had a role in developing this very strategy. Sure, they may have contributed the details and minutiae and other elements of the military developments in the late seventies. However, all these and other information gleaned from the Eritrean field birthed this new strategy, which, by all appearances, was the BRAINCHILD of Isaias Afwerki”.

            (2) You are still insisting that “WOF” is a Moaist concept, while I am telling you that it existed as a military strategy way before The Common Calendar. Even if we assumed that Isaias copied “WOF” and “SW” from Maos “On Protracted Peoples War”, where and when did you hear it, read about and who was the person who was speaking or writing about it? You can include if this was a meeting of civilians, rank and file Tegdays or even a meeting of the higher ups of the EPLF?

            (3) Assuming that what you are saying about Isaias copying dogmatically Maos on Protracted Peoples Warfare “PPW” was correct and true, have you heard or known within the EPLFs circles that Chairman Mao has pointedly ‘advised’ or remarked that the EPLF cannot afford to conduct “PPW” because of Eritrea small population size of no more than 3.5 million?

            (4) You are also saying that, ” …. EPLF leadership communications, deliberations, consultations are still classified”. yeah, right when books are written about by the likes of Ambassador Andeberhan and a slew of ex-EPRP, the EPLFs clandestine party are freely talking about the inner workings of this party, when there are middle level EPLF military commanders now living in the West and when ex-EPLF politburo members have talked freely with Dan Connell, I am verily stumped that you still believe that the workings of the EPLF “are still classified”.

            (5) You say that, “There is no question IA was a workaholic man, and a micromanager”. Maybe that may well be so. Are you saying that the man was all work and micromanagement and nothing else? Maybe visionless that many others covered his leadership from “blunder to blunder”?

            Now, then tell me this:

            a.- How did a mere “workaholic and micromanager” managed, I mean LED, a front to liberating a country against all imaginable odds? Please don’t telling others were covering for him without specifically identifying and telling me what it was that they were covering for him.

            b.- Again, how did a mere “workaholic and micromanager” is managing and directing the Eritrean ship from going adrift and, mind you this, facing an innumerable obstacles and hurdles thrown on the Eritrean path by the known actors who still don’t accept Eritreas independence.

            (6) You wrote that, ” We know about the apparatus that he had put in place which had enabled him to stay in power unchallenged, call it the secret party or its security arm”. Well, the party was not Isaias party, from all I know. It was called “The Eritrean Peoples Revolutionary Party” with a functioning Politburo, Central Committee and members organized in regions and branches and what was known as “dedicated cells” — Wufuyat Wahyota–. Now don’t you think what you wrote above does not hold water at all?

          • MS

            Ahlan Ghehteb
            I would still want to comment on your previous comment, I did not address many points due to time. Also please read my latest comment addressed to many; you will find some of the answers to your questions. Just to give short replies:
            1. All that I wanted to address is your assertion that the withdrawal, and protracted war (war of attrition is one component of protracted war, in Mao’s thesis). So, whether it’s mrbrab or war of attrition, IA and many revolutionary leaders took it from Mao. I’m not criticizing IA for taking it from Mao (BTW: IA never wrote a single book; there is no single theory, or a comprehensive body politics that could be attributed to IA, yet every ounce of energy that oyr intellectuals put in the service of Eritrea is attributed to IA by the guardians of his image. When IA borrows a saying from Arabic: the caravans move on while the dogs keep parking, IA idolizers insist it is originally his saying, and so on. Therefore, we agree mrbrab, or war of attrition is an old concept and that is how I replied to you, in my second rejoinder. That’s out of the way.
            2. Are you kidding me? Are you saying I have to provide a witness? Dear Ghehteb we spent the end of 1978 and 1979 totally immersed in protracted war with all its dimensions. And guess who was our case study: it was the PLA with its tactical formations (defensive, positional, mobile, militia’s, guerilla activities behind enemy lines, the Communist party of china its propaganda machinery, its links with international workers parties…its relation with the Kou min tang, and united front attempts with it…all the way to theories and speeches of Chairman Mao. I was sleeping in most of the long seminars….
            3. And that is what of the points that make me believe he was an ideologue more than a pragmatic, a copier more than a tactician, and a dogmatic more than a realist. Let me tell you this: Our steadfastness carried us through the thick and thin. Other factors that should not be ignored are: Ethiopian peoples resistance against the Derg, USSR crumbling under its perestroika which dried up Derg’s supplies, exhaustion of the Ethiopian soldier from years of trench warfare, etc. Otherwise, by the end of war, interior Eritrea was completely dried of its able persons. That’s why EPLF moved its attention to the Daispora and called “lomi zeyketete bdemu kem zmote. So, the fact that Eritrea was a small country with an arid climate, and poor people was not a place to take that much of a casualties in a protracted war. God knows how long we would have continued. That

          • MS

            tells

          • Hayat Adem

            MS,
            Attrition warfare is a ww1 concept and manual way before chairman mao, years before Isayass was born.

          • MS

            Ahlan Hayat
            I agree, as a tactical choice, and as a concept, it has been there as long as man fought wars. The only difference is that military theorists, strategists and tacticians define and apply it according to the existing formation of the opposing forces, their resources vis-a-vis enemy’s, their readiness to endure it, and other considerations such as logistics lines, topography, climate…one might be weak in material resources but if you count on numbers who are volunteering to sustain the fight, that is a choice. Dear Gual Adem, we did not have all those factors. That’s why TPLF was criticizing our doctrine. Even the topography was neutral to both of us (Derg and EPLF) because the Derg got bogged down there by choice. They did not think outside that mindset because they thought the attrition was more in their favor than it was to us.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam ‘Gheteb,
          1977-1987: Romodan Mohammad Nur was the secretary general of the EPLF; Isayas Afwerki was the vice-secretary general. The fact that you’ve not even indicated Romodan M/Nur in your chart of the chain of command indicates your blind worship for Isayas. Besides, Isayas was not a military leader so to speak as you want to portray him. He was rather more of a political leader, ideologue, and a spokesperson of the EPLF. I doubt it if he actually had set foot in Nakfa at all during the liberation struggle or fired a single bullet.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Abraham H.,

            Though you take this pose that you understand and you know how the EPLF operated, the reality, sorry to say this, is that you are utterly nescient and even worse you lack the humility to acknowledge it.

            I promise to walk you through the EPLFs praxis and its movers and shakers with the proviso that you will admit what you have written above is nothing but an unrelieved bilge and hooey. Deal?

          • Abraham H.

            Selam ‘Gheteb, a lecture from someone who idolizes Isayas? No thanks; I could find more trustworthy people who were in the middle of the great Eritrean Ghedli history, if need be.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Abraham H.,

            You say that you ” could find more trustworthy people who were in the middle of the great Eritrean Ghedli history, if need be”? That well and dandy. May I suggest that you approach ኣባ ኸብዱ of the Mederk folks. I am sure he will let you on into the praxis and the inner workings of the EPLF. I think he was a member of the EPLFs clandestine party, the EPRP.

            You see, even if I am not walking you through how the EPLF operated, I am guiding you where you can find the vital information so as to extricate yourself from groping and wallowing aimlessly in the deep seas of nescience. As your wont, though, you Mederek folks are a bunch of thankless souls, no doubt about it.

          • tes

            Selam Abraham H.,

            Romodan Mohammad Nur is ignored by diehard PFDJ supporters like GHeteb. Personally I believe that Romodan Mohammad Nur’s role in the EPLF is more than anything. He played a great role in changing the image of EPLF’s perception by the people. He was the figure of UNITY in diversity.

            Unfortunately, DIA thought that UNITY is no more important an he did a coup to over throw him. This is the biggest failure of EPLF leaders. They destroyed their house pillar, Romodan Mohammad Nur.

            I think, we need to write more and more on the role of Romodan Mohammad Nur in transforming EPLF to be a real Eritrean figure.

            tes

        • tes

          Selam Gheteb,

          Abraham has a strong point. Can you please write something about Romodan Mohammad Nur? It is too much personalizing EPLF’s struggle. It is an insult to many.

          Or, are you line Father Habtemariam Abraha, who is saying, highlanders joined the struggle because of Hiruy Tedla and [Dictator] Issaias Afewerki?

          tes

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Mahmuday,

        This will be the talk of the day for sometime to the future: “He was leading a generation that did not really need a leader. Now, we know he was not as a visionary as we thought he had been. Logically, IA of post independence should have been more matured than the IA of 1970s, and eighties. Well, then, if the matured IA is the man we currently have, how would one imagine the immature IA of the 70s and 80s? That means he was way worse. Does that logic work?” Bold enough that hits to the core of the myth that has been around him for decades to elevate to the power where he is. Agena’E Mahmuday, I tip my hat to salute you with a big smile. A warrior in the becoming in times of crises. No detour after all this strides.✌️

        Regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

      • tes

        Selam MS,

        These days, you are a transformed fighter. Lots of respect.

        I have a demand from you.

        I have a unique take on Romodan Mohammad Nur. I believe that he is the pillar of EPLF in representing the UNITY. He played a unique role to bring people together from all areas. And I believe that EPLF died after Romodan Mohammad Nur left the leadership position.

        Can you please say about this great leader, whom my generation know little about him?

        If you can hear me, I would like to see a full article about Romodan Mohammad Nur. I believe that you know him very well.

        I urgue to write about him. I believe many good hearted justice seekers want to hear/read about this forgotten hero of unity.

        tes

    • iSem

      Dear Author: This is an excellent piece: it immortalizes the mortal words of the mortal Isaias Afwerki and canonizes all the deeds that so many now talk about in Toronto’s Tim Hortons, for some the choice of the venue is strategic, because those actions are rated no to talk about them in the family house in the presence of the kids. The results of talking about these actions you are canonizing implicitly were devastating: instead of a citizen they have begotten a subservient who outsources their most human endowment, THINKING to the mortal words. This laborious piece could have been also immortal if it has included other immortal words about Naqfa, uttered in Arabic by Romodan Mohammed Nur: “Naqfa will be the burial site of the enemy”. In deeded Naqfa has become a burial site, the burial site of Eritrean youth, the new enemy of IA.

      In case you forgot allTim Hortons chit-chats are not created equal: some of them have never set foot in Naqfa and Afaabet or Fah or Maihmet, they have only threatened to do so. But there are some, wowed by Naqfa’s stories they heard during their chit-chat in Kassala High School, disturbing some tall guy who taught them a subject called Additional Math, joined the armed struggle, but when the training got tough, when they longed the ice-cold Pepsi and afternoon naps, they returned back to Kassala and made their way to the West, some grace the Tim Hortons and some litter the Eritrean community centers doing disservice to the youth by volunteering their tutoring avocation

    • Hayat Adem

      Ato Gheteb,
      The more you try to venerate IA for successes registered by the people and tegadalai and give him beyond his pay grade; and look the other way on the matters where he is failing the entire nation and citizens in millions, you are pushing us to push back and expose him more. You are not doing him any favor.
      To continue from Mahmuday’s to avoid repetition, i want to correct you that TPLF help then in saving Naqfa was really critical and a game changer in some ways. It was not a late joiner, and it was not little; and the sacrifice paid in there by the TPLF was not to be belittled.
      Remember, what makes it weird it that the ones who gave it are not saying anything. The ones who received it are ridiculing the help they received. How bizarre is that? Mahmuday hinted how naqfa can be credited as a 1st manifest of cooperation between Ethiopia and Eritrea. We know you want to run away from Ethiopia. but that will be an endless and a futile run. No matter how hard, you will never run far enough. Turn your face and embrace the force of reality before it wears and tears you off.
      The other day, the Eritrean Ambassador to Kenya Beyene R’esom sat down with an Ethiopian Ambassador before a journalist for an interview. The Ethiopian Ambassador accused Eritrea of its provocative behavior mentioning examples of country it started a fight with, and he included Yemen in those list of examples. Beyene came and had to say this as a rebuttal: “it was the Ethiopian who helped us in that conflict. They gave us documents, they gave us weapons and missiles.” I said, what! You are supposed to be grateful. The only country who should never be accusing Ethiopia of supporting Eritrea is Eritrea. It is a crazy pattern of biting hands that fed you, like there is no tomorrow.
      And one more point here, continuing from the point you made of IA as visionary leader who can see things ahead coming as in that interview of the 1970s, what did he envision and predict in the conflict of 1998? What did he say in the interviews he gave during those months? Did he foretell the truth when he ridiculed and say nay weyane fera’e fera’E? Did he say the truth when he told us how he would never leave Badime until the sun was no more? Was he right when he bragged about how the Eritrean air force and air defense was so superior that it was incomparable with that of Ethiopia?
      Gheteb, I see you doing three things here: lionize his personality, deny his colossal failures and cover up his untold crimes. So, we exactly know where you are coming from. Times have changed though. No one believes in such tales any more, tales that have no truth and only meant to cultishly glorify the man. Because, he has eaten up himself completely, there is no way you reverse things.150 to 200 people going out of the country to Ethiopia are making a strong statement. Take inventory of the past 5 years: what do you see? Do you see more and more people becoming hopeful or hopeless?
      Compared to himself, IA and his challenges, he might have been a better guerrilla/insurgency leader than a politician or statesman. But that is comparing him to himself. That is the only concession we can make as far as IA and moments of better times with himself is concerned. The rest is a book of total bankruptcy.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hayat,

        There was one incidence a decade and some years ago in a meeting. One who has no any clue about war and conducts of wars asked Ambassador Adhanom (whose entire life in the field was in the forefront either fighting in the theater of the war or leading the war) commented as if Issayas was charting the strategy of the wars and leading the wars during ghedli. The good Ambassador told him there was no a single war strategize or fought by him in the war of liberation that include the many famous battles. So this guy like all the myth believers who never saw wars and conduct of wars, will give him all the accolade of others to him without shame. Unfortunately, the organization ascend Issayas to power by creating myths around him until he grab an absolute power to suffocate them and vanish them one after the other. So don’t be surprise there are many elites that make their lives by being lipstick of dictatorship as we speak.

        Regards

        • Hayat Adem

          Selam Emma,
          This was after EPLF entered Asmara 3-4 years after. A diaspora intellectual came to our house. He is distantly related to one of my parents. He literally took over the talking role without an ounce of considerateness. And all the talk was about the heroism of the EPLF and what they did in the fields, and most of it was about Isayass. We were more proximate to the stories he was talking about endlessly and he was telling us as if those military operations took place just a month ago in the mountains of Switzerland. But he was a guest and no body dared to tell him to slow it down.
          Some of the things he was saying, and i still remember:
          -Isayass led more than 4 military operations to victory while he was in Cairo.
          -He was the best military strategist and he was writing a military manual for military leaders in Africa to use and follow it.
          – (this one is silly) He was a sharp shooter, so sharp shooter that he could draw the map of Eritrea from the bullet hits.
          The amount of myth surrounding him is amazing. And this is a man we now happen to know him at close range, what he can do and how smart he is. Smart and visionary, he is not even close to that by a mile. Now we know him; we live him, remember! So, no one can tell us that he is making miracles in building Eritrea; in bringing tranquility; in making life quality of our people better, in putting Eritrea on good visibility in the map of the world.. etc. No one can dare say anything about such. So, the guys who want him to be graced in glory that he never merits now moved the post to the ghedli era when most young people were not there to witness it. Could he have been that smarter when he was younger in the fields?
          Those who know him in close up are telling us that he was not. But, we can know that fact through inferences as well. Mahmuday put up a logical test in his earlier feed. If Isayass was smart when he was younger, he would have been smarter now even with more maturity of age and experience now. If you don’t see a visionary leader, now, chnaces are there wasn’t any then. In fact, he is not just a dumb leader, he is an outright criminal and evil.
          No matter how far back in time you go in chronicling Isayass, what you see is what you get. Character is destiny.

      • Nitricc

        Hayat, don’t told us he drunk the whole bottle whisky in an hour? he may have his flaws as a human being but he outlasted your dead midget and i have no doubt he will outlasted you fakeness. give PIA his due and move on. I know your got dead souls on your side, but we are talking about PIA, the greatest, it is high time you deal with it. what a loser.

        • Hayat Adem

          Nitricc,
          Yes, he did. A bottle of whisky to and by himself in a single seat that took a good part of an afternoon hrs. Why are you surprised by this? It actually happened. All things I told you about him are true. If he was reading this note, he would remember that day, the house. I suspect that it was by calculation he showed up in the area and it was not because an old friend was a groom as he made it look like. It was in the neighborhood where most of the G15 resided, and he showed up 3 days after he locked them up and away. Trust me, he is sick and he was there seeking some kind of ritualization from the pain of their families.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hayat,

            Where do you get all this trivial information? Have you seen all this happening in person?

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Simon,
            You can’t call the info trivial and ask for more at the same time. Nothing is trivial about it. It happened. I gave those details a year or so ago.

          • Abi

            Hi The Queen
            You don’t need to call a witness to prove that IA was gulping a black label.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            A reliable witness, not just a witness.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hayat,

            Were you present when the events you narrated occurred?

          • Hayat Adem

            Simon,
            It is true. It happened. If you are doubting the info, that is fine. Even if i told you i was there, or i told you i got it from some one, you will still doubt it. But Isayass has much more worse history with drinking than this. I know more things. I brought this stuff to tell about his sadistic behavior not to tell his drinking habits which are public knowledge. My issue was how he suddenly showed up in that neighborhood after he arrested DeruE et al.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            A great question, but the person you are directing it to is not known for answering questions directly and HONESTLY. There you have it!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Gheteb,

            Assuming that Hayat is an Eritrean and a female, was she working in a Bar, or was she a drinking partner, or did she have a romantic liaison with Isaias or something else to know details of Isaias’ drinking habits?

            Hayat play acts as a democrat and as an advocate of transparency, so it will not be too much to ask her to be transparent about the source of her information. But so far, all efforts have been like squeezing milk out of stone.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Simon,
            Funny! Now you are teaming up with a man whom you called a “wacko” three days ago just to conspire on me! Where does the morality of principled positions go?
            In any case, what you guessed about me are all off the goal post by a mile. For all intents, I am not your milkable girl.
            FYI, I don’t simply spill all the personal stuff i know about him just for the sake of it. Not that I want to be nice to him (for I despise him for his crimes) but I don’t see any use of bringing them here. The only time i bring up infos about Isayass is whenever I see excessive lionization and unfair characterization of the man.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hayat,

            ‘Wacko’ means mad. Who am I to use this word? I am neither a psychiatrist nor a neuroscientist. The dispute was related to specialist knowledge related to history, archaeology and anthropology of our region.

            Conclusion: you lied. Prove me wrong.

          • iSem

            Hi Simon:
            Ok, let say Hayat lied and she needs to prove your wrong.
            But this is why you guys are so shameless, the fact that Hayat lied can wait, not urgent, there is one urgent matter that you constantly lie about: you never proved us wrong and it is the accusing otf thousands of Eritreas of crimes and disappearing them. So you lied, your leaders lied. Prove me wrong.
            if you are anguished about IA’s reputation because of what Hayat has said about his drinking, IA more skeletons in his closet to worry about his reputation and this should be your least worries. All the years he spent in the jungle fighting has amounted to nothing and his name will for ever be associated with killing and worst of all no monument will be erected for him.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere,

            You seem to be clueless about guerrilla movements. There is killing, betrayal, double crossing …

            “A revolution is not a dinner party.”

          • iSem

            Hi Simon:
            No, I am not clueless. I am not talking about during the revolution, just to cut you criminal a slack
            So are you saying that Eri is till in guerrilla war, 26 years after may 24, 1991?
            Or like Gheteb are you saying that IA and PFDJ have earned the right to go on the killing and disappearing spree because if their bravery in Naqfa?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere,

            It seems to me that you are venting your anger from a distance. If you want to remove Isaias, why don’t you start another Ghedli? But did you run away from the previous Ghedli? If so, are you planning to come to power on the back of other people’s children?

            As far as I am concerned, Eritrea cannot afford another Ghedli, a reform of the current political and economic system will be sufficient.

          • iSem

            Hi Simon:
            I know you aske Paulos about his contribution to Ghedli, he was so polite and told you, “non of your business”
            And, yes I avoided Ghedli and I am happy I did. How about you, what was your contribution to Ghedli, can you share, but do not count on Gheteb to worship you, he only worships IA
            You can never guilt me for not participating in Ghedli, that is old, obselete trick sir
            My question was are we still in guerrilla war in 2017?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere,

            I asked Paulos about his contribution to Ghedli as he was belittling Isaias’ contribution and started spinning some conspiracy theory attributing Isaias’ ‘badness’ to his being Ethiopian.

            This question also applies to you as you did a runner, and you are now screaming from a safe distance.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            Semere Andom , the son of the village named ኩሕሊ ዝበኢ, is as CLUELESS as one can get when it comes to the Eritrean Revolution or Ghedli. All his verbal diarrhea that you see in this Forum is literally scavenged from Tornotos Tim Hortons coffee shop chit-chat talks and nothing else.

            His defense of the person Hayat Adem is more in line with the saying that ‘blood is thicker than water’ or “ስጋ አንተወደቀት ሓመድ ሒዛ ትትሰእ”.

            He has been saying ‘Gheteb, ‘Gheteb, ‘Gheteb……. in everything he has been writing. I am wondering if “ኣብ ግዜ ግህተብ ዝዓወረ፣ ግህተብ አንዳበለ ሞተ, is not the case here.

          • Thomas

            Hi Simon,

            Except for being Issayas’s puppet, what do you know about guerrilla movement who turned to become an evil monster killer? Why don’t you be honest that you are supporting Issayas for reasons only known to you?? First, we heard you trashing those Issayas detainees Era_Ero and else where. You were not shy to accuse them that they tried to topple Issayas. Now, you are supporting Gheteb in his effort to whitewash Issayas crimes and attempting to betray Issayas the world wide known criminal as the hero. Tell us what else do you have in that small and backward mind of yours?

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Thomas,

            What do you really know about the Eritrean Revolution, anyway? You sound like you are still living in the deep darkness of a big fish belly, figuratively, and the Weyane belly, literally.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Thomas,

            I consider you, Hayat, Semere A., Dawit Mesfin et al. as nothing but comedians at best or fantasists at worst. You have no actionable plan, you are all talk round the clock.

          • tes

            Selam Simona,

            A special game player. Where is your friend @nitricc:disqus by the way? Gheteb is now Ghetab, as Abi used to call him.

            tes

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam tes,

            Ask Abi [the subliminal messenger] to find you a job in Ethiopia as a Food Technology expert aka glorified Home Economics.

            You are on the right track, keep it up.

          • Abi

            Hi Simon
            You know who used the same phrase ” glorified home economics “? Music Novice.
            Ethiopia can use Tes’s skills anytime anywhere. Are you kidding

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            What is you objective in life?

            Is there anything in it for you talking about Eritrea full time?

          • Abi

            Hi Simon
            Did I bother you? Sorry my friend. I have two half Eritrean boys. Eritrea 🇪🇷 is their country as much as Ethiopia 🇪🇹 is.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            You do not seem to be suggesting any genuine solutions to the problems facing Eritrea.

            For example, have you tried to tell your government to get out of the illegally occupied Eritrean territory.

          • sara

            selam ato Abi
            unfortunately, according to the logic of the majority in this forum your boys are neither Eritreans or Ethiopians.
            fortunately, eritrea accepts duel citizenship… does ethiopia?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abi,

            If you are not archiving the whole AT discussion, your memory is quite amazing.

            I thought you busted Blue Asmara and the kalahari sneak and I thin you are right on your bust of Simon K and music Novice.

            I think you deserve the title, AT detective of the year.

            Berhe

          • tes

            Selam Simon,

            I have asked openly for job position in Mekele University. Abi, I think, is not OK with my application but Fanti Ghana seems serious. In fact, my specialization is on Local and Traditional Food Products. I am very serious on this job application.

            tes

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Simon,
            First thing first, you were right, you didn’t use that word “wacko”. You used another word, and i confused it with that. It was out of innocently confusing the two words. Error is regretted. Your conclusion is way off. It was as if you were desperately waiting for an opportunity to press the nuclear code. I did not need to lie. Because, I could have said what I exactly said using the exact word itself you used to describe Gheteb. The exact word you used was “quack”. One defnition of “quack” is a fraudlent pretender to a medical skill. One defnition of “wacko” is a strange or behavioral oddity. The Tea Party members were famously called “wacko birds” by their political opponents. So it is not necessarily about the mad person in its medical sense. If you are that careful, are you qualified to call Gheteb wacko, I mean a quack?

          • iSem

            Hi Hayat:
            Gheteb and Simon are illiterate couple so is Nitricc too. Because the definition of illiterate has changed since a book called Future Shock was written, in it the author, Alvin Toffer (RIP) says this:
            “illiterate will not be the man who can’t read; he will be the man who has not learned how to unlearn.”

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi SemA, A is for Anbessa,
            Yes, exactly. I sometimes symphatize with them. How can grown up people go thst far love, support, and worship a useless criminal man? Did you notice what Simon said a moment ago? He was trying to justify hard crimes because they were committed in the fields during Ghedli. Can anyone stomach that?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Semere A.,

            Are you literate because you are a fantasist? No action, all talk. Keep on dreaming.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hayat,

            Don’t shift the issue, typical cadre!

            The question to you is still: did you personally witness the drinking habits of Isaias?

          • Nitricc

            Hi Simon: yes, she was right there when PIA showed at this home and he demanded that they give him a drink and the people in the house they got him a bottle of black Johnny walker whisky. And in ONE HOUR PIA Drunk the whole bottle of whisky. In one hour. And the truth with the alcohol content of the whisky given with the duration of time that was consumed. Any human being will die.
            But our TPLF cadre have no problem telling lies after lies. At the time she told this lie many awtista confronted her. he a president of a country, he is a dictator, he can do whatever he wants why demand any drink from anyone. she had no answer. she is a liar.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Selam Simon Kaleab,

            I don’t believe that the person you are referring to could possibly be like you mentioned it in your first paragraph. Those descriptions do NOT fit the person under discussion at all.

            From all the telltale signs the person is:

            (1) A full blooded Tigrayan hailing from Tigray.
            (2) A mixed Tigrayan/Amhara
            (3) A mixed Tigrayan/Eritrean who may have spent some years in Eritrea.

            One thing, I don’t believe is the person under discussion is your garden variety Eritrean. No way the person we are talking about could be Eritrean.

            All those things this person talks about PIA and Eritrea are passed to this person through a TPLF guy who goes by the initials “AG”. And “AG” seemingly gets his “information” straight from TPLF Central.

          • iSem

            Hi Mr.Gheteb: I alsomot wrote your real name, then decide against it, because like Hayat’s “lie’ this cannot wait, is nor urgent, will be left for Keren tea shops when we see who has deeper roots in Eritrea, who is denying his “habeshaness” for his anguished desire to be seen as more Eritrean, who has a worshipping an idol and who worship God of Abraham, Ismaiel, Isaac and Jacob.
            This is what happened, whereas you went to Karneshim from Lowlands, I went to Lowlands from the Highlands, whereas you were brainwashed, and that still afflicts you, I became independent thinker, but our exposure is more or less the same, it turns out that you and I went tot he same school, almost 10 years apart, been taught by the same teachers and took the same exam G.C.E.
            It is ironic,while you are lionizing the well know Tigrayans, you are stripping my Eritreans identity, but that cannot be, it is embedded, not like yours: wedi arbae (naturalized) by residence.

            Give me one example where you brought an original idea to this form, single one, even one that I disagree with. All your ideas and comments are from the play booked the Wohayo meeting of late 1970s and 1980s. Even the facts you corrected “barfed” that IA was asked to come to the Sahel from Somalia because there was intelligence that the Ethiopian army was planning to attack EPLF, even that historical truth was told by vet security agents, but you conveniently omitted one fact and that is IA told the person who translated the code for him this : “no response is needed, go to bed”. You also omitted that IA was little drank and was embarrassed when the agent appoarched him and even apolgize during that coversation

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hey Nitricc,

          I wouldn’t put any credibility to anything that comes from a certain Eritrean wannabe Weyane water carrier when it comes to PIA. While the lion of Naqfa is roaring, those who have been dreaming his demise and death find themselves six feet under or they have caused the death of hundredth of poor Ethiopians under a heap of garbage right in the heart of Addis Ababa.

          They have the audacity to talk about the self-sufficiently self-reliant Eritrea while millions of Ethiopians are in the grip of hanger and famine. These are indeed shameless people whose sense morality is only found in the absolute nadir.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Gheteb,
            Am I getting into your skin? Do you feel like saying something to me? Your lion of Naqfa consumes a lion’s share from the drink world. That is the truth. You can’t suppress the truth by barking louder. And the fact that he is living longer is a disadvantage. He is destroying more. But you will go back to the Sahil barracks to tell us fairytale about this man while we know him in real time and space what he is capable of. He can’t survive an hour talk with leaders of the civilised world. He can’t face an independent media except those captive journalist of his once a year. He participates in no intellectual discourse. He runs into the microdams at Adi Hallo as if he is a site engineer. He is an angry and isolated man who entertains himself by jailing citizens in his 380 prisons and chasing out and forcing the youth to flee.
            If he was lucky, He could have died a hero had he died before 1991. He could have lived a hero had he transitioned the country to a normal state and his party to a normal government agter 1991. But what is he doing except escalating the youth bleeding projects? What did he do for you to defend him so much at the expense of your people and country? Whatever it is, it can’t be anything else other than personal.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam ‘Gheteb,
            .
            You talk about “morality” “shameless” people with a straight face. Judging only by the vocabulary you use, I have no doubt you probably posses a PHD from an American University, in Political science, History or Psychology. In my book when I read your writing about the Eritrean history, probably, 3500 years of it, by adding “Y” to Eritrea and running with it, I give Nitricc’s statement more weight. I know I sometimes offend innocent bystanders on the way to you. My immediate thought of you at the time was, there goes another detached from reality “Ethiopian”.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Graviton

            Peace new?

            Then why are your cousins flocking in thousands to our refugee camps(not to mention Sudan, kenya, libya and those lost on the seas)? are you ignorant by choice or by design?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Graviton,

            Why are so many Ethiopians flocking to the four corners of the World?

          • Graviton

            peace new?

            i hate to say this but “read the line of argument” before you jump in, what do u think this is lampadusa? on a serious note though, take your cousins back!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Graviton,

            Ethiopia has become a cesspool of disease, corruption and prostitution.

            Do your homework first!

          • Graviton

            peace new?

            boohuuuu, thats supposed to heart ma feelings? comon mayn u can do bettea than tht, ur a ghedli certified troll. BTW howz that new book by the dutch professor workin out for ya?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Graviton,

            Save your sisters in Addis Ababa, the Arabs are having a ‘good’ time with them.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Graviton; I am just worried the refugees might be buried under the pail of garbage. let’s pray for them. You sound you are talking about the united states of America, you are talking about Ethiopia, where people are buried alive by mountains of garbage! Congratulations you make a new record.

          • Abi

            Thanks General Nitricc
            Happy News for you. You keep singing. You are so happy you can’t hide it. Just like your friend Araya was happy when people died in Addis due to bus accident.
            We are working hard not to die under a pile of garbage anymore.
            In the meantime you can laugh showing your 32 canines.
            Keep laughing.
            Do you know hyenas also laugh? You sound like one.

          • Nitricc

            Hey ABi; No I am not happy lives are lost. No I am not happy people are buried alive, no I am not happy the Gambella people are massacred every other week by the South Sudan. dude, you can even defend your people against South Sudan? All I am saying stop bragging about your country. stop exaggerating your donated economy. stop gloating, your country is worst than any country in Africa. South Sudan is bending you. wow.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Hayat, you wrote “The ones who received it are ridiculing the help they received. How bizarre is that?”, unfortunately, we have also noticed many cadres from the TPLF doing exactly the same as you stated here regarding the support they recieved from EPLF during their struggle.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Abraham,
          Any help recieved by anyone from any must be appreciated, or else it sounds bizarre when the helped redicules the help recieved. I don’t think the TPLF went to the barracks of Naqfa seeking Eplf’s help. The topic here is Naqfa, not Shire. Gheteb was the one who brought the issue. Your intervention could have been great had you came in first, corrected Gheteb and balanced it about the other help also. Gheteb could do good had he said we were helped but we also helped. Your intervention would have been great if you read a comment from the Tplf belittling the help they recieved. And it is not all the Eplf tegadelti or the Tplf tegadelti you hear them rediculing whatever help they were getting. For example, you read Mahmuday recognizing it. I also remember T.Kifle recognizing they help they got Eplf. There is a clip of Sibhat Nega saying, Eplf and Elf learned their insurgency models from China, Algeria and the Middle East, but Tplf had no to go far to reinvent the wheel, we learned it from the Eritrean organizations. It is people like Gheteb, they deny or belittle history. It is a pattern that goes no country helped Eritrea to no organization helped Eplf to no one helped IA. IA alone did everything. It is a sickness of worshipping Nisu.

          • iSem

            Hi Hayayt and Abrham;
            In addition, the EPLF/PFDJ gangs insinuate that the TPLF were students, “temeharo eyom nerrom ksba shire” sang my old friend. But we know the first Woyane started before the Eri revolution, when it was crashed, it took them long to create TPLF2.0
            Although the smarmy ridiculing as Ab H said comes from both, but the notion that Eirtreans were the masters of their own destiny has always been intimated by TPLF in their songs and speeches, at least from the top echelons. But in our case the top echelons like the foot soldiers like Gheteb and Nitricc the mastery of TPLF own destiny is also denied, but that is their attitude towards Sudan , Djibouti

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi SemA,
            The book by Gebru Asrat has a lot of data and raw info accounts. Some are so new you would never get anywhere else. It took me a while to to reach the last page but it was worth it. I wish someone translate it to Tig. It is opinion loaded but if you read the reporting of events ignoring his analysis, there a greatdeal of info.
            I will just give you an example. The economic policies of both countries were growing incompatible and tentions were swelling. The last talk of the joint comission that was set up to straighten up such issues was held in Asmara. It was supposed to be held in Addis per the rotation. But Isayass wanted to be present so it was being held in Asm for the 2nd time back to back. Gebru was part of the Ethiopian deligation. I am not sure if he was the leader of the deligation. I think it was Tewolde Gebremaryam. From the Eritrean side, IA was there. Despite IA’s effort to convince the Ethiopian deligation, the meeting ended in disagreement. At the center of the disputes was the currency related divergencies.
            The atmosphere was so uneasy and scary, according to Gebru. Petros was then a minister for the fishery. He invited the Ethiopian deligates to a dinner. At the dinner, he was appealing to the Ethiopian deligates for calmness. Being an acute intelligence man himself, he must have sensed something coming and he didn’t like what he was sensing. He looked so humerous but disturbed at the same time. He asked the Ethiopian deligates, not as a guy from the other party but as a concerned neutral friend, advised the Ethiopians to ask for the talks to continue without a break time, but in Addis in stead of Asmara for calmer atmosphere.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Hayat, it is also said that the eplf helped the eprdf get rid of the olf in the power struggle that ensued in the wake of the fall of Derg. What is your opinion about this?

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            I heard the other way. EPLF helped OLF in the fight that took place in Harar. Rumor has it there were EPLF prisoners of war at that time. Another rumor is Siye Abraha wanted to expose them but Meles didn’t approve it hence the fallout between the two ( Meles and siye).
            Anybody? Any idea?

          • Hayat Adem

            Abraham,
            I am not aware of such thing nor am in position to know this if it was a help given secretely according to what you heard. But you don’ t have to believe everything you heard. A little more of your own research will help you reach at the truth.
            But Tplf and Eplf were helping each other, when they were not quarelling. Hate and love relationship, sorts.

          • Abi

            Hi The Queen and the rest
            Ok EPLF and TPLF were friends before now they are enemies who want to destroy each other.
            Why? Don’t make it complicated more than it should be.
            ሌባ ሲካፈል እንጂ ሲሰርቅ አይጣላም::
            የራሳቸው ጉዳይ 😳

  • said

    Greetings
    Thirteen Centuries to President Johnson’s ‘Great Society’ Since Bilal the Abyssinian Coined the Muslim Azan

    What a travesty for the elected President of the United States of America, Donald Trump, to insidiously and his close team of propagators of Islamophobia to claiming the day for putting America back right again. His national slogan fraught with hate mongering; fear mongering; outright racism and mistrust directed against Islam and Muslims belies certain indelible truth, despite the aberrations of a tiny fraction that are none representative Muslims, that put Islam and Muslims in terms of tolerance and universal openness millennia far ahead of Trump’s dreams of “Making America Great Again.”

    Nowadays America, on the scale of historical narratives, was never Great Morally or Humanitarianly in the broader encompassing sense that Donald Trump, with his discriminating rhetoric, on the contrary, still offers the bleak example of it. Donald Trump’s dearth of historical and sociological knowledge puts him at a huge disadvantage of being able to construct an objective judgment of the facts notwithstanding devious character intent, willingly, on distorting the facts and compromising the truth.

    As no race can ever claim the exclusivity and perfection of being privy to the truth and to the righteous adherence to objective reality in its most detached and ideal humanitarian example, it was a Black African, companion and a close follower of Prophet Mohammad, Bilal the Abyssinian, a liberated slave, who composed the lyric of Muslim Azan, calling for Prayer, in the year 620 C.E.; i.e. 1344 years after the US President Lyndon Johnson launched his reform program of the “Great Society” aiming at offering the Black Americans full human rights.

    Had been a close companion of Prophet Mohammad (saw), Bilal the Abyssinian is highly revered by all Muslims, generation after generation to this day. Bilal the Abyssinian is payed the highest homage every time the mention of his name comes up, as always accompanied with the verbiage, the suffix “Radia Ellahu Annhu,” “May God Bestow Peace on him.” Same on prayers extended to the Prophet and his close Companions. Bilal, the former black African slave, as true of all pious mortals of all ethnicities, races or origins, are revered in the mainstream Islam for their deeds, good humanitarian and moral conduct.

    Bilal Muazen El-Rasul, Bilal “The Messanger’s assigned Role to Call for Prayer,” was reserved the highest honor that was for someone to first compose the words of Al-Azan to inviting people to prayer, inclusive of being assigned the task to deliver it as well. At times, Bilal added to Azan as he once did with the addendum for the Fajr, dawn prayer, “Al-Salatu Khairon Mina El-Nawm;” “Waking up to performing the Dawn Prayer as far more beneficial to a worshiper as the extra time needed to sleep.” The Prophet trusted and respected his judgment.

    Interestingly, for one to further appreciate the historic and moral significance of the above gestures, for Bilal to be assigned such a most important task, one need to realize the central importance, rather the core of Islamic teachings that Prayer, as the first tenet of Islam, represents the quintessential tenet for someone to be recognized as a true Muslim.

    It became long ensconced in the collective psyches and Islamic culture; i.e. the collective consciousness of the Islamic Community, the deep sense of acceptance and integration of blacks, all people of color, varied ethnicities and varied origins. The Sole criterion for preferences is piety as equated with humane and good conduct towards fellow mortals, fellow humans before one’s submission to God.

    President Lyndon Johnson felt obliged after the Salma March of Reverent Marin Luther, Jr’s in Alabama in 1964, where the demonstrators were demanding the Black Americans’ right to vote, that President Johnson was willing to push a reform bill in this regard into a mostly resistant and disapproving American Congress. To that date, 13 Centuries since Bilal the Abyssinian, American Blacks were disdained, terribly physically abused and physically segregated against. Ironically, the worst and most inhuman abuse against the American Blacks were carried out in the very Southern American States that are proudly collectively designated, “The Bible Belt.”

    Accordingly, President Donald Trump has something to learn if he opens his mind to learn more about Islam and Islamic history in lieu of freely uttering his segregationist and hate mongering without sufficient knowledge of the facts and the dearth of knowledge of the truth.

    While being a free thinker, I found it incumbent upon me as a humanist, adhering to universal values to volunteer the above clarifications.

  • Dear Dawit Mesfin,

    If i am allowed to ask, i have the following questions:
    If two groups with completely opposite agendas, call upon the same historical fact, the one to subdue the people, and the other for political legitimacy, without bringing a tangible solution to the plight of the new generation up to now, what will be the impact of this historical fact on the new generation, as long as the one continues to make their lives miserable, and the other has failed to bring a solution?
    If this historical fact had an impact on the new generation, don’t you think that they would have stayed behind to face their nemesis, or they would have organized themselves in the diaspora, different refugee camps, etc, to bring a change, and own and celebrate the achievements of the older generation?
    Did it ever pass your mind that there could be people who would think, it was your (the old generation’s) decision and we never asked you for it, because it has destroyed our lives and made us refugees and has cost the lives of thousands of our people, inside and outside the country?
    Regards.

    • Ismail AA

      Dear Horizon,
      If I grasped the essence of your question (correct me if I am wrong), it seems to suggest that since the third group (the young) are victims of the roles of the first two, they have to resign to their fate, and do nothing as their indifferent attitudes in their places of refuge seemed to have demonstrated to you. The deep substance of the question as your last paragraph seems to insinuate is that the project was from the very beginning wrong.
      But you would not disagree with me that history is sum total of developments of humans that unfold in negative and positive turns. The history of the Eritrean struggle cannot be read otherwise. The actors in it were humans with common cause at the center, but divergent interests at margins. This is not unique to the Eritrean case. It is true with many scenarios of similar nature. It was not different from how the EPRDF emerged to be where it now is.
      Simply put, it is the clash of interest-oriented protagonists at the peripheries of otherwise worthy common cause that may end up in conditions detrimental to the general wellbeing of the principal target group – the general populace and post struggle era generations.
      Nonetheless, at the end of the game, history is source of lessons to learned from, and not a verdict that cripple the people and their youth to in action and docility. Vital forces of societies do rise up to set wrongs historical developments had established right. The Eritrean youth too shall rise up and reclaim their freedom in the land the blood and sweat of their fathers and mothers had watered.
      Regards

      • Dawit Mesfin

        Dear Ismail,

        Thank you for addressing Horizon’s concern.
        I was going to say the following …. a bit superfluous now.

        Your comment, which is laden with serious questions, is not easy to address in this rush-rush atmosphere I see around me. What I am doing is to look into the void that has been created – lack of scope in our discussion concerning our current reality. The void is being exploited by fundamentalist elements. We cannot construct our campaigns solely on our anger and frustration towards the regime in Asmara; As we address the harsh realities our young and the rest of our people are experiencing, we should remain poised in confronting those who are trying to divide us (by stealing our history away from us).
        I know how, as years go by, nostalgic accounts tend to take over historical reality. This is not the case here. When we are nostalgic we tend to omit many aspects of existence – what our young are going through, for instance. Again, my argument revolves around the necessity of historical preservation, not nostalgia. It is hard to romanticise Ghedli because it was a bloody and cruel episode of our history. We look at the Ghedli experience with dread and horror. The accounts of the deaths and maiming of our freedom fighters, who were our own flesh and blood, are not easy to digest. Let’s keep in mind what it took to liberate Eritrea while we voice our concerns regarding post-independence developments.
        With due respect, allow me to leave it there for now.
        Dawit

        • Paulos

          Selam Dawit,

          Well said! Brilliant!

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Dawit,

          This article lacks clarity of thinking. Nakfa or no Nakfa, the EPLF, as any guerrilla movement, is as it has always has been. You made a binding contract with the movement, you get what you see. The EPLF has been consistent, it is you who reneged and are substituting your fantasy about democracy.

          • iSem

            Hi Simon K:

            Wow! EPLF is consistent? like most of your thinking, how this is also deliberately deceiving. Are you reducing the 30 year struggle to this: it was waged to replace Amahra speaking government with Tigrinya speaking despot? Are your divorcing the liberation movement to mere consistency, consistency in disappearing, consistency murdering and thuggery

            But fact is even as far as 1968, the founding lads and gals never revoked liberty from their struggle, case in point: a young woman named Saediya interviewed by journalist Kramer and replying in Tigrayit said this when asked why she has joined the ELF: “I joined the struggle to reclaim my dignity, and liberty” and mind you she hailed from one of the villages that the Ethiopian soldiers under HS burned and looted.
            So Dawit is not dreaming, he, unlike you is not divorcing the armed struggle from something that was inherently, innately embedded in it: liberty through democracy. It was all over the armed struggle from the get go.

            IA also said to Al-Jazzira he never promised any thing to anyone, but that is understandable as lies are the implement of thieves and also a thieve like IA recruits smart people like you with some maybe regional weakness and makes them leaders to lead the “aqqetto”, to their death and this fact is all over EPLF and PFDJ and YPFDJ, the talking heads are convincing and smart but tools of repression and they at the forefront, but never in the frontlines

      • Abi

        Hi Ismail
        Why do people suffering under the name of nakfa want to associate with it. Don’t you think it is wise to run as far away as possible from the talk of nakfa? Is this all the former generation pass to the new and forcing them to own it and celebrate it? Why should they? Do you expect the young generation to stop from running to save their lives and listen to nakfa glories? The youth is busy at sawa and slavery camps. When they get a break they are planning how to escape the nakfa consequences. Not interested in nakfa glories.
        I celebrate Adwa Victory. I don’t celebrate Meskerem 2( Abiyot Qen).

      • Dear Ismail AA,

        Regret and abandon was not exactly the thing I had in mind, but accepting with a dose of criticism, which could help the new generation to fathom the situation. The feeling that they have no choice but to accept it in a dogmatic way, I think, would not help. In addition, the project was wrong from the very beginning, may ensue from one and only one fact, that it did not deliver what it promised. Otherwise, going back is unthinkable, not only for eritreans, but also for the majority of ethiopians, contrary to what many eritreans think.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Horizon,

          “In addition, the project was wrong from the very beginning, may ensue from one and only one fact, that it did not deliver what it promised”. I disagree,

          1) The Eritrean revolution delivered on its initial promise which was the establishment of an independent Eritrea through a legal process of self- determination/referendum. In doing so, the Eritrean Ghedli also helped greatly the Ethiopian peoples break lose from the shackles of the crippling Derg regime.

          2) While it was on its way of starting the proces of delivering the rest of its promises such as rule of law, proper justice sytem, constitutional rule, etc, it was hijacked by Isayas and his disciples

          3) For the last two decades, the country has been under an absolute dictatorship, its people held hostage at gunpoint by the criminal Isayas junta traitors and their enforcers both inside and outside the country.

          4) Today Eritrea is calling on its sons and daughters to save it from the savage of the liberators(from outside occupiers) changed oppressors; a call the current and their older generation seem unable to heed until now.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            On your #2
            Rumor has it your ” revolution ” was hijacked in 1976. You don’t seem to pay attention to the chatters around you.
            So my point is your revolutionary thing was already dead in 1991. Dead before arrival!!!
            Tired of teaching Eritreans about Eritrean history.
            ምን እዳ ገባሁ!!!

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, had it been dead we wouldn’t have won over your gigantic army with its Superpower masters, and probably your Ethiopia would have looked very different than it is today. Probably you would have been languishing under certain dictators or the Ethiopia that we see today would have been broken up into its constituents.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            Brilliant points. A little correction since you stopped paying attention since 1976.
            Your army did not win against Ethiopia. Actually, nobody did win against Ethiopia ever. Don’t equate Ethiopia with derg. One more thing you never paid attention to is the border war. The winners of nakfa and nadew were running to save their lives while the leaders were gassing up the Landcruisers.

            BTW, thanks for liberating us from derg and yourself. You were sitting on my chest. I can breathe easy now.

            Please pay attention.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, Ethiopia was represented by HS and Derg, and we won over both. The border war was imposed on us (by the dictator), however, despite that our gallant Yikealo and Warsay answered the call and defended their motherland. There were battles we won, and battles we lost; it is reported that we had traitors among our ranks, the dictator being at the top of the treason, that way you won the last battle; but wait, did you really win? How about the Aseb front? It is actually a pity that you think you won, when in fact, thousands of your men perished in their effort to capture Aseb and the other disputed areas. But seriously though, what is winning, when, in fact, both sides have lost tens of thousands over an alleged border dispute? A dispute, that would eventually be settled by arbitration?

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            I think there is hope
            Let’s be honest here for a change
            Meles saved you from total collapse. We expected to walk on Godana Harinet. You couldn’t survive the decisive blow both on your ego and your unity. G1-G15 or any number preceded by G. What is this “G” anyway? Now this Agazian debacle. It all emanates from that blow.
            Paulos has a really good comment on this earlier today. Since you never paid attention you have missed it. I lost hope again. Talk to me when you start playing attention.

          • blink

            Dear Abrham H.
            People like the guy you are responding are people in the same team of the so called coach YG , Such people have one single signature piece of Ghedli defamers at their hand . They are born to not be corrected nor do they care to learn , it is not that they are wrong but that they are disastrously, with full of impeccable certitudes . What we all need to do is avoid any debate with people who lack any truth on their upbringing . what can you do with a dog born two legs ? imagine a guy who paint one corner of a house and sleep there .

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Abi,

            There is no perfect political system, there are flaws in all of them. One system is better than another in relative terms only. Further, individual preference depends on ones societal position in the system. For you, which system is preferable, the Feudal monarchy, the Derg or the EPRDF?

        • Ismail AA

          Dear Horizon,

          Thanks again for your response. As far as criticism goes, in fact there is room for over dose of it. Imposition and dogmatism are recipes for resignation and fatalism. Critical appraisal and sifting out the positive from the negative of past experience is their right and healthy way of establishing continuity as opposed to denial of ownership of what generations before them had done. The preceding generations had also to face experience of the generations before them. But they did not give up to resignation and submission to the fate passed to them due to action or in action of their predecessors.

          As to delivering, the principal task was indeed accomplished; self-determination and independent nationhood have been delivered. The current ordeal is the result of miscarriage of just one, though important, aspect of the long march. The liberation era generations were more preoccupied by priorities of the time than paying attention to hidden agendas (power calculations) that was lurking on the peripheries, and got chance to prepare and jump to national center stage. This is the challenge the young generation will have to face and overcome.

          Regards

  • Dawit Mesfin

    Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

    Thank you for your input.

    To understand and acknowledge the realities of our history is important to me. I also acknowledge it is important to others to observe our beginnings and the developments that they have observed. History is more than a series of heroic accomplishments – I know that. Our history, through the sheer length of the armed struggle and the severity of the conflict, touches on everything about me.

    Amanuel, the collective memory we have is being fragmented. If that continues, I argued, I will lose the sense of self. Don’t you think we have to be able to situate the current Eritrean reality in our collective memory. Understanding the Nakfa history helps me develop an appreciation for my roots and what came before me, and what sacrifices were made to achieve independence. The issues that are being raised now are valid but they need to be properly contexualised. Should we modifiy history in the light of perceived and real political requirements? The provocation of thoughts about the past is OK; we should go through that process. Unearthing painful memories is part of that process.

    Amanuel, you are challenging the fact that the hijacking of the Eritrean revolution is not an adequate explanation of what we are witnessing now in Eritrea. I wish you could follow the writing of The Revolution Betrayed which depicts how Stalin came to power.

    Dawit

  • said

    An Open Letter to His Eminence the Patriarch Abuna Head of Eritrean Orthodox Church

    Your Eminence,
    Kind greetings,
    Re-posting : It is with deep chagrin that I read about recent phenomena about the Agazian propagation Your Eminence’s and their recent comments on a YouTube and Interview with regard to the Agazian proclamation for a minute I was not all that certain that those comments could factually be attributed to a kind of Christ teaching Your Eminence.

    The obvious reason for my bewilderment stem from the fact that Your Eminence is the highest Authority of the Tawahdo Christian Church, one of our Savior’s representative on this ephemeral planet Earth, as the the Agazian Christian Church twisting and hateful comments seemed incongruous with the message of love, tolerance and generosity towards the less fortunate of God’s wretched mortals on this Earth.

    The oppressed and subjected Eritreans in proper Eritrea, diaspora and Refugees of Sudan and Ethiopia, Eritrean Muslim like our brethren Christian do not deserve the criticism that Your Eminence maybe heard from Agazian hate speech reserved for Eritrean Muslim in particular. One example Eritrean Refugees from lowland in Sudan Being coerced to conditions beyond their willful choosing; and long, very long years of estrangement, deprivations and systematic denials of their basic human rights that were an spoken but adopted as the official Sudanese State Policies; the Eritrean Refugees of Sudan deserve to return to their ancestral land , as Your Eminence is the voice of Christ on Earth, that Your Eminence act as the advocate for the alleviation of their plight and the assuaging of their deprivations, alienation, disenfranchisement and as some goes for recent Eritrean refuge in diaspora are being subject to systematic job and opportunity discrimination everywhere .

    Your Eminence, in lieu of assigning undeserving criticism by Agazain and blame to the wronged wretched Muslim Eritrean, Your Church, given the tremendous resources, moral, political and material that it possesses is in the high moral position to alleviate the sufferings of the Eritrean in general and Refugees every where. Your Eminence, declare morally and to restore their Full Dignifying Human Rights.

    Unfortunately, Your Eminence, Agazian criticism and placing the blame on the helpless and victim, Eritrean by the so called agazian Christian, are openly or inadvertently bordering on Tribalism and Sectarianism that Eritrean should avoid at any cost to be plagued with. This, most sadly, what perpetuates a misplaced sense of self-victimization, never ending tribal tug of war that continuously lays the emphasis on a false, rather an imagined sense of self-preservation.

    Tewahdo Christianity should claim and is a Universal message destined to all mankind irrespective of locality, race, ethnicity, color or creed. Dwelling on associating Christianity with Tribalism could be misinterpreted as compromising the Universal message of Love, Tolerance and Empathy towards All Divinity’s Earthly Vicegerents.

    In this vein, Your Eminence, the ills of tiny minority Eritrean dangerous and cancerous Agazian had always existed and continue to exist by the very nature of Eritrea ’s indigenous demographics makeup and realities of Eritrea ’s inherent political Tribal System. The suffering Eritrean Refugees in Sudan and Ethiopia, in consequence of misguiding circumstances, paid dearly during present regime in Eritrean’s recurring internecine bad dreams of wars, possibly far more than any of the indigenous Muslim Eritrean population themselves as being caught, as the rest of the Eritrean population by very cruel FPDJ regime.

    Finally, Your Eminence could significantly contribute to ending the exodus and the plight of the youth by adding your Holy Voice demanding the Eritrean Refugees’ return to their home country, Eritrea. This, by consistently forcefully raising the Church’s Voice in the International Forums of importance and through the incessant appeal to the Seat of the Holy See of the Papacy to urging the implementation of the International Law and the application of justice to redressing the plight of the Eritrean Refugees.

    Undoubtedly, the Eritrean Refugees are more keen than anyone to returning to their beloved land; to a new lead a truly dignifying life befitting God’s vicegerent in this tiny Earth.

    Your Eminence is the great source of wisdom enshrined with the Holiness of the Christ’s Church to help guide us through our fallibility as sinful mortals towards human and social harmony in the ultimate interest of enduring peace among all God’s creatures.

    May God give you strength, continuous enlightenment to implanting Christ’s message of love, tolerance and the oneness of mankind.

  • Nitricc

    Greetings dawit; I have understood what message you are trying to convey. but i can see how your take is scrutinized by the dedebitawyan. For me, what you are saying simple, due what happened in Nakfa made Eritreans to cleanse from our own bandage and made us stronger and united. i got you, even more, a friend of main from Australia shared with me that a five years old American kid, recognized the Eritrean flag when he was challenged.
    watch and see the power of Nakfa in full display. if it wasn’t for Nakfa, this five year old white kid will never know about my country and my mother land.
    AT, from where i am, it is saturday and please don’t delete my link. thanks!
    http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/5-Year-Old-Geography-Expert-from-Stratford-to-Appear-on-Ellen–416316423.html

  • said

    An Open Letter to His Eminence the Patriarch Abuna Head of Eritrean Orthodox Church

    Your Eminence,
    Kind greetings,
    It is with deep chagrin that I read about Your Eminence’s recent comments on a YouTube and Interview with regard to the Agazian proclamation for a minute I was not all that certain that those comments could factually be attributed to a kind of Christ teaching Your Eminence.

    The obvious reason for my bewilderment stem from the fact that Your Eminence is the highest Authority of the Tawahdo Christian Church, one of our Savior’s representative on this ephemeral planet Earth, as the comments seemed incongruous with the message of love, tolerance and generosity towards the less fortunate of God’s wretched mortals on this Earth.

    The Eritrea in proper Eritrea ,diaspora and Refugees of Sudan and Ethiopia ,Eritrean Muslim like our brothern Christian do not deserve the criticism that Your Eminence maybe heard from Agazian reserved for them. One example Eritrean Refugees of Sudan Being coerced to conditions beyond their willful choosing; and long, very long years of estrangement, deprivations and systematic denials of their basic human rights that were enacted into laws and adopted as the official Sudanese State Policies; the Eritrean Refugees of Sudan deserve, as Your Eminence is the voice of Christ on Earth, that Your Eminence act as the advocate for the alleviation of their plight and the assuaging of their deprivations, alienation, disenfranchisement and being subject to systematic job and opportunity discrimination.

    Your Eminence, in lieu of assigning undeserving criticism by agazain and blame to the wronged wretched Muslim Eritrean , Your Church, given the tremendous resources, moral, political and material that it possesses is in the high moral position to alleviate the sufferings of the Eritrean in general and Refugees every where . Your Eminence, to restore their Full dignifying Human Rights.

    Unfortunately, Your Eminence, Agazian criticism and placing the blame on the helpless and victim , Eritrean Muslim like Christian is inadvertently bordering on Tribalism and Sectarianism that Eritrean should avoid at any cost being plagued with. This, most sadly, what perpetuates a misplaced sense of self-victimization, never ending tribal tug of war that continuously lays the emphasis on a false, rather an imagined sense of self-preservation.

    Christianity is a Universal message destined to all mankind irrespective of locality, race, ethnicity, color or creed. Dwelling on associating Christianity with Tribalism could be misinterpreted as compromising the Universal message of Love, Tolerance and Empathy towards All Divinity’s Earthly Vicegerents.

    In this vein, Your Eminence, the ills of tiny minority Eritrean Agazian had always existed and continue to exist by the very nature of Eritrea ’s indigenous demographics makeup and realities of Eritrea ’s inherent political Tribal System. The suffering Eritrean Refugees in Sudan and Ethiopia , in consequence of misguiding circumstances, paid dearly during present regime in Eritrean’s recurring internecine bad dreams of wars, possibly far more than any of the indigenous Muslim Eritrean population themselves as being caught, as the rest of the Eritrean population by FPDJ regime.

    Finally, Your Eminence could significantly contribute to ending the exodus and the plight of the youth by adding your Holy Voice demanding the Eritrean Refugees’ return to their home country, Eritrea . This, by consistently forcefully raising the Church’s Voice in the International Forums of importance and through the incessant appeal to the Seat of the Holy See of the Papacy to urging the implementation of the International Law and the application of justice to redressing the plight of the Eritrean Refugees.

    Undoubtedly, the Eritrean Refugees are more keen than anyone to returning to their beloved land ; to anew lead a truly dignifying life befitting God’s vicegerent in this tiny Earth.

    Your Eminence is the great source of wisdom enshrined with the Holiness of the Christ’s Church to help guide us through our fallibility as sinful mortals towards human and social harmony in the ultimate interest of enduring peace among all God’s creatures.

    May God give you strength, continuous enlightenment to implanting Christ’s message of love, tolerance and the oneness of mankind.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Said,
      Would you care to explain what your comment is about? A little background to explain why you are writing this comment will help us understand. As it is, I doubt if anyone will understand it. Kindly provide a background

      • said

        Salam Saleh,

        As often my comments is being delated, Unfortunately there was nothing specific thought or background to comments, just an appeal , these guys, the likes of this Eritrean Agazain, are racists at heart but covering themselves in the cloak of religion. No difference between them and the extremist of all sorts who preach the word of God and go and butcher civilian in His name. we Eritreans never forgotten the atrocities committed by the Ethiopian dark forces in the Eritrean struggle for independence ?, brutal wanton killing that never speared woman and children all in the name of great Ethiopia or Ethiopia Teqdem of countless Zemach well described in the above article . The hatred towards the Eritreans runs deep in Ethiopia, especially among the top ruling class who happened to be ruling Christian group , whom generally never seriously even identified themselves with Orthodox Tigray and Eritrean Christian .Just like Agazain agenda never viewed themselves as part of the Eritrean World.

        • Kebessa

          Selam Said,
          No, you were very specific. Among other things, you wrote the following
          “It is with deep chagrin that I read about Your Eminence’s recent comments on a YouTube and Interview with regard to the Agazian proclamation for a minute I was not all that certain that those comments could factually be attributed to a kind of Christ teaching Your Eminence.”
          What recent comment, interview or youtube are you refering to?
          I think you made things up. Due to the reasons I mentioned above, the Patriarch(s) is(are) not in a position to make comments. WedeHanka!

          • said

            Selam kebessa

            i try to corrected in my second posting got deleted in regard I read about was about Agazain and not his Eminence’s recent comments,it is an appeal

          • said

            Kebessa

            Selam

            It should read . I read about recent phenomena about the Agazian propagation Your Eminence’s and their recent comments on a YouTube and Interview with regard to the Agazian proclamation

    • Kebessa

      Selam Said,
      The government appointed Patriarch passesd away last year, and the legitimate one is under house arrest since 2005. Those are the highest authority. Please don’t appoint another Patriarch for us:)

      • said

        Selam Kebassa
        Thank you and i am quite aware of Patriarch Abune Antonios replaced Head of the Orthodox Church Abune Dioskoros who pased away

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear Dawit,
    You have a beautiful pen, no doubt about that.
    But trying to defend Eritrea and Eritreans through the history or symbol of Naqfa at this point is a platitude of nostalgia. Naqfa was at one time expression and symbol of resistance by the EPLF and against the Derg.
    What is the most urgent and pressing problem of Eritrea today? It is not the Derg (it is gone forever); not the so called clueless Agazian kids (let them have fun among themselves) ; not Ethiopia (it has become a good neighbor at peace with the reality of an Eritrean independence). The most lethal enemy of Eritrea and Eritreans at this point are the Naqfa forces in power.
    Is defending the history of Naqfa the number one issue that keeps you sleepless? First of all, that history is there and it will be revisited every time it poses relevance in the normal times ahead of us. But now, we should all rush to echo the voices of those perishing and disappearing.
    If I’m not mistaken 9correct me if so), you were a member of the G13 who presented a bold letter to the president, right? Where are most or at least some of your friends who stood then with you? You are sleepless about Naqfa, when the very people who asked the same questions you had then are perishing, some of them probably in prisons located in Naqfa? Naqfa is now a symbol of tyranny and suffocation, my friend. We can only liberate Naqfa back to its worth and true essence once we liberate the people perishing under its weight.
    Respectfully,
    Hayat

    • Nitricc

      Hi Hayat; I know you are heart broken the name of Nakfa wasn’t substituted with the name of Dedebit. For your sake, I hope someone will wright, I don’t know what but something about your beloved Dedebit. I know according to you, you told us so, that “Eritrea would have never gained her independence if it wasn’t the heavy sacrifice of TPLF”
      You talking about slap in the face for the people of Eritrea and I it won’t surprise me what you have written in here. Nakfa will be always your nightmare, trust me, Nakfa is bigger than life.

      • Hayat Adem

        Nitricc,
        yes, the TPLF too were in Naqfa, and they were not there to help the Derg. But that is not the point. The youth are fleeing. The Ethiopian PM was speaking today 150-200 youth cross the border daily. he also said, a fifth of those (meaning 30-40 soldiers daily) are from Eritrean defense forces. Let’s assume the report is totally true or at least some of it is true. Does that bother you, at all? That is what I’m trying to say. No body is preoccupied about the history of Naqfa right now.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Hayat, when was your government ever told the truth? First of all Desalegn has no power to know that number and who ever gave him that information, the number are cooked to exaggerate and inflate the numbers, remember this is business for TPLF. the more TPLF declares and exaggerates the number of refugee, the more the income. Remember last year when UNHCR couldn’t find 84 K Eritrean refugee that were supposed registered in the three refugee comps under Eritrean nationalities? The point is not only we know the game and we also know your corrupted weyane game. TPLF recruits actively young Eritreans to leave their country why do you think it is?

          • Hayat Adem

            Nitricc,
            A little message in a bottle: You will do yourself a favor if you avoid debates and quietly read what is given to you, for one month. Because, as is you don’t seem to have anything to give. When was the last time you conviced someone to change his or her mind? Okay, forget that. When was the last time you changed your mind because of a compelling evidence and logical arguement? Seriously. These should be your clues if your time here was worthy and productive. The writer Alice said “People do not wish to appear foolish; to avoid the appearance of foolishness, they are willing to remain actually fools.” Take note and come here to give and take, and in no time, you will see yourself graduating out of you.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hayat; we know you and we know what you stand for.
            Thanks.

          • Abi

            Hi The Queen
            ” a little message in a bottle “? That is called “genie”. You found the missing piece. Now he is complete.

          • Abi

            Hi General Nitricc
            84k just last year?
            This number is greater than the number of young people in Asmara.
            Very sad. And you toothless General talking about nakfa? Shame on you!

      • Thomas

        Hi Nitricc,

        What do you know? I see you as intruder or in tigrigna “tsemburini gait tesmi ablu’uni”. Please ask ras Abi to translate this to you. I am sure his tigrigna is much better than yours. Now enjoy the laugh lol lol lol lol

        • FM

          Thomas,
          you are forgetting that this Website as the name suggests, its Eritrean and Nitricc is within his rights to be here. He does not need your permission to be included..

          • Thomas

            Selam FM,

            Can you point out to the statement that suggests what I said is what you stated above? I never said Nitricc should be banned, did I? If you misunderstood, you should have asked for my elaboration. He is an intruder to talk about Eritrea because by his admission he never set his foot in Eritrea. After following him for a while, he seems naive about Eritrea or Eritreans. However, he can say lots of things about Ethiopia and he knows things in Ethiopia more than those admitted to be citizens of that country? What do you say?

          • Nitricc

            Hey FM: please forgive him. he is a backward TPLF lover.

      • blink

        Dear Nitricc
        The person is even sick to read the name Nakfa . The dream of killing Eritrea by any means is already out of sight , did you recall her teacher i mean YG , where are they now ???? . They underestimated Eritreans and thought we will pick the gun and slash each other throat yet we did not . But we have one problem and that is the dictator at home is doing every thing on his power to delete Eritrea. Yet i am 100% sure we will come back roaring . we can not and will not give up . we can not be lectured by a TPLF cadre. TPLF is may be 100% from one group . Eritreans at least have the 50%-50% two religion and many languages and yet we remain in good terms apart from the few crazy idiots.

    • Aklil

      Well done Hayat. I would not dare add a single word to your comment. Eritrea is bleedig now and today. The Eritreans are not only shading tears but also blood.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Hayat,

      I do not see to invoke the heroic act of Eritreans for these “clueless Agazian kids”. Indeed Naqfa the symbol of heroism has become the source of pain to its heroes and heroines in particular and to the public in general. At this time Nakfa is the center of social engineering and the breeding of cadres to the project of the despot. Naqfa becomes the symbol of both.

      Regards

    • envision

      Hi Hayat,
      I know it is trendy to bash the AgAzeans here. But we also know people can not ignore them, hence so much talking about them everywhere. And we also know they will not disappear because we are deceivingly reassuring ourselves by saying they are not a threat, they are “clueless Agazian kids”, etc. It is an objective truth that even only the Tesfazion strain of AgAzianism has got a substantial traction every where. They are doing a serious work on the ground. There are a lot of other strains of AgAzianism taking shape. I have seen on facebook that a local megazine, Wurayna, which is distributed in the whole of Tigrai, has featured several articles on AgAzianism in its print form. The AgAzian movement has been extensively featured in haarez (an israeel news media).

      Let’s get serious and talk straight. I personally dislike Tesfazion’s hate for muslims, other ethnicities and the Amharas. And I vehemently oppose that. That said, he has made an impressive positive progress on the relationship between the Tigrains on both sides of the Mereb. Given that the feud and hate between these two peoples has been a major problem for peace in the horn, and as much as we do not want hate between the muslims and Christians or between another group for that matter, should we not applaud that contribution the Agzians have made and are making? They have broken a taboo and created a movement where Tigrains from both sides of the Mereb are talking love now. That, too me, should be applauded. And I even see a larger peace prospects for peace in the horn.

      Or is it precisely that relationship and brotherhood of the Tigrians that people are against? Is it not possible to condemn the AgAzians for the bad things and applaud them for the positive things and even influence them to work on the positive aspects? Can we not go beyond blanket condemnation and belittling and wring positive things out of it?

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello envision,

        Until HA comes back,

        “I personally dislike Tesfazion’s hate for muslims, other ethnicities and the Amharas.” Whew!

        I didn’t know what to do with you earlier. I was caught between my personal like for you and my vehement objection for AgAzianism. I support any unity regardless of size as long as the intention is positive. However, there are times when the greater good is better served when all stakeholders unite to defeat injustice, unfairness, backwardness, bigotry among other ills, and I believe this is one of those times.

        Call it lunacy or stupidity, but Tesfasion’s AgAzians didn’t even bother to be tactical and hide their true intent. They came roaring, to my absolute horror, primarily as anti Islam and Amhara. They died on arrival, and there will be no amount of backtracking that will save them. Calling them “clueless Agazian kids” is being generous compared to what I would like to call them.

        All our people in our region have two key problems: backwardness and bigotry. If we all do our best to tackle these two whenever and however we can it would be easy to see how trivial everything else is. I hope I am making sense.

        • envision

          Hi Fanti,
          “They died on arrival”. That is your wish, not reality. If anything they are gaining unbelievable traction everywhere. Two points: 1) hate of Amhara as a mobilisation tool is not new; EPLF (and to some extent TPLF) did it in much more profound manner and they did not die, but flourished. He is probably inspired by them. 2) There is a difference between strategy and vision/end game. So I believe Tesfazion has most likely known the ugly truth about people that they are mobilised by hate of others than anything else. That is true even in unbelievably wealthy, stable and unthreatened societies like America and Europe (Trump phenomenon and a lot of right-wing parties in Europe). You can also consult Freud to understand that.

        • envision

          Selam Fanti,
          You claim they “died on arrival”. That is probably your wish, not reality. Is it? Be honest. If anything they are gaining unbelievable traction everywhere. And we know revolutions are not started by intellectuals, nor saints. They are sanitised later. Awate, whom this website is named after, is a great example.

          Two points:
          1) hate of Amhara as a mobilisation tool is not new; EPLF (and to some extent TPLF) did it in much more profound manner and they did not die, but instead flourished. He is probably inspired by them.
          2) There is a difference between strategy and vision/end game. So I believe Tesfazion has most likely known the ugly truth about people that they are mobilised and united by hate of others than by anything else. That , sadly, is true even in unbelievably wealthy, stable and unthreatened societies like America and Europe (Trump phenomenon and a lot of right-wing parties in Europe). Freud’s works also show us that.

          • Kebessa

            Hello envision,
            Interesting points you have here. But here is the flaw:
            1) The Amharas are not in power today, they are not oppressing anybody. So the campaign against them won’t work this time, for there is no basis or justification.
            2) The far right Western politicians are doing well by being nationalists and isolationists (America first, Netherland first…), not by pitting half of their population against the other half, like the Agazial kids are doing.
            And I will add this: I live in a city with a large number of Eritreans and Ethiopians. I can tell you I am not observing apetite for Agazians. Agazians are just mahbere-com youtube.

          • envision

            Hi Kebessa,
            I do not think you understand what is being done. The goal is to bring the Tigraians (AgAzians) together. And since they live in two political environments, a two-pronged strategy is devised by the AgAzians. For the Tigraians in Eritrea, anti-muslim-based mobilisation, and for the Tigrains in Tigrai anti-Amhara-based mobilization.

            The anti-muslims campaign appeals to kebessa because Islam is politics in Eritrea. The demand for Arabic, the demographic collapse in highland Eritrea, and the increasing danger global political Islam poses are considered. But Islam does not appeal to Tigrainas directly for they do not have much lived experience with it. The anti-Amhara mobilisation is supposed to appeal to Tigrains and to Kebessa too. And there are a lot of inputs for that: past history and current events. For example the recent displacement of close to 30,000 Tigrains from the Amhara region (mainly from Gondar region), the constant anti-Tigaians campaigns by Amahara politicians, medias (extreme example is ESAT ), the economic marginalisation of Tigrai, etc.

          • Hi envision,

            What are you really trying to say and do with this so-called agazian project? You say that your movement is anti-islam and anti-amhara. You want to bring together the two, highland eritrea tigrinya ethnic group and tigrayans from ethiopia. This means that as long as you do not want to live in peace with lowland muslim eritreans (50% of the population) and amharas (25 million), you have to leave alone muslim eritreans to go their way and join sudan, and tigrayans in ethiopia should vacate from the rest of the country. Otherwise, you have to commit genocide and occupy their lands. I do not know if you would have the power to do so. If you ever try (that is theoretical for it will never happen), then the remaining ethiopians (amharas and others) will not sit and look, nor would lowland eritreans, and sudan as well. If ever 2mn tigrigna eritreans and 6mn tigrayans succeed to conquer the whole region and become masters, go ahead with it. Fortunately, no serious person will follow you, and your project would be forgotten in few years. When poverty sets in and you turn against each other, you would be forced to keep your problems for yourselves, for nobody is going to pay the price of your madness.

          • envision

            Hi Horizon,
            To be honest with you, I do not understand the whole of what you are trying to say. But let me just say few things in the hope of clarifying some. I wish people cut down on assuming, and instead ask for clarification where needed. I am not a member of the movement. I am a strong advocate of the union of the Tigrains both as an end and a means for peace in the horn. As such, there is a strong overlap with the AgAzians. I vehemently oppose their religion-based worldview and their hate-based campaigns. A big difference there. You might be surprised, but I am more an Ethiopianist in the larger sense where the Tigrains (united) play their role in a democratic, strong and prosperous Ethiopia.

          • Hi envision,

            You said, you are ‘an ethiopianist in the larger sense where the tigrains (united) play their role in a democratic, strong and prosperous ethiopia’. Now, it is my turn not to be able to understand you. Is it from within or from outside, agazians want to play their role? Are you saying that tigrains (united) may play a role from within ethiopia? If so, are you insinuating that, as an ethiopianist you could be abandoning the independence of eritrea for the sake of a democratic, strong and prosperous ethiopia, and a united agazians?
            If not, then you want to carve-out tigray from ethiopia and lump it with eritrea. What will be the fate of the other ethnic groups in eritrea (if we leave out religion). Are you saying that they should accept the hegemony of the united tigrains? What exactly is your true message?

          • envision

            Hi Horizon,
            Clearly you still consider me a member of the AgAzian movement. I am not. The declared goal of the AgAzians is to form Republic of Ireland -Northern Ireland type of relationship or an AgAzian republic depending on conditions. The central message is the union of the Tigraians, and anything else is negotiable. Personally, I strongly agree with the union of Tigrayans and support it whole-heartedly. The union of Tigraians is good both as a means of ending war and conflict in the horn, and it is a good end by itself. Once that is fostered, a union (in any convenient form) between Eritrea and Ethiopia forming a larger Ethiopia is what I believe the way forward. That is what I mean by me being pan-Ethiopianist in the larger sense. Other ethnicities are also safer in the larger political space of larger Ethiopia. Regarding “Are you saying that they should accept the hegemony of the united tigrains?”, I do not advocate hegemony. But I also do not advocate dividing and weakening oneself for the interest and safety of others. If anybody believes their safety is in the division of Tigrains, I am sorry but that is evil and we are not going to accept that.

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            Let me help you translate what envision is promoting

            Let the two Tigrewoch be united and ascend to Mt EnToTo.
            How difficult is it to understand Gehrelibu?

          • Abraham H.

            Abi, ‘Gerhelibu

          • Abi

            Thanks Abraham
            I was not paying attention 😜

          • Haile S.

            Hi Abi,
            አንዚህ ኣግኣዜኖች ኣበላል ያውቃሉ
            ብርኩታውንና ጥሕሎውን ጨማምረው ድፎ ዳቦውን ይውጣሉ።
            Be assured it is not going to happen!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Horizon; I can not help but observing you wasting time with wasted ideology of Mizan. what his message is simple: He wants the the Tigryan Ethiopians and the highland Eritreans to form a unity and cement their supremacy over the lowland Eritreans and the rest of none Tigrigna speakers, that is the Amhara, the Oromo and the rest of Ethiopian ethnics. Now, what exactly are you having the difficulty to understand this backward and corrupt idea of Binyam? By the way this is not only his beleive, this includes Hayat, Thomas and in some degree Aman -H. just you know. Give the credit for coming out clean unlike the others.

          • Hi Nitricc,
            At least for me, things are much more clear now, after envision’s last post. Nevertheless, the project has no strong wings to fly far, and it will fall short before it achieves anything significant. What we need is to work on and develop what we already have, instead of searching for new formulas in the depth of history.

          • sara

            Dear nitricc,
            What is worrying is in the name of democracy we may end up having groups who profess such bigoted ideology. Look what you have in your back yard
            The KKK.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello envision,

            This is something I wouldn’t expect from a child let alone from you, so what are you really angry about? Also please don’t confuse curiosity with interest. Any idea, regardless how bizarre, will attract initial audience, it is a human nature, but it does not mean “conviction” whatsoever.

            1) Let alone TPLF even EPLF when they used “Amhara as a mobilizing tool,” they were careful in distinguishing between people and institution. It was timely and defensive in nature and never about “hate” in any form. Mind you, that was even when they were being bombed day and night by “Amhara Serawit” and still they had the decency to distinguish people from policy.

            2) What vision and what strategy? “All of you haters, join us?” Never mind about the end game it is already underway.

            One does not start a struggle for the heck of it. What problem is supposed to be solved by this craziness? I hope you won’t take this as patronizing, but please, you are too good and too smart for these disgruntled group. Give it a good hard thought and let’s fight the real enemy instead.

          • Abi

            Selam Ayte Fanti Ghana
            Your #1 is out of this world.
            Don’t sugarcoat things here. It is embarrassing the way you presented it.
            Eritreans are so proud to bring donkeys to their festivals. Donkeys the word “Amhara” was written on them.
            I read on this very forum that there was a song that put Amhara and Abacheguare together. Eritreans hate Amharas more than they love themselves. Some years back Dr Sarah Equbay asked,”are we only Amhara haters?”
            It is a disease takes generations to heal.

          • sara

            ato..Abi,
            That naming was not meant about the people..it was an easy expression meant against the soldiers stationed in Eritrea.
            Abi I myself was thinking it meant soldiers in your language , I only learned the true meaning (amara) later in life.
            I hope you see it that way.

          • Abi

            Hi Sarati Habibti
            Nice try.

          • sara

            ato Abi,
            what try ? i am just telling you what i know , at least you know you are wrongly interpreting what people meant about those words.
            seriously ato Abi, its puzzling you have that thoughts/feeling up to now, while you are in a better position to know better than most of your folks.

          • Abi

            Sariti Habibti
            What is puzzling is you sound like the Amharas are from a different planet.
            Are you telling me you or anybody you know never met a living and breathing Amhara ? They are your neighbors starting from Gonder.
            I don’t blame you Habibti. I blame the bedtime stories and nursery songs.

          • sara

            Ato Abi,
            i am saying the most i saw was soldiers and not civilians and there was no reason to get to know them as it was difficult days, i knew many civilians later in life to an extent i mentioned in one of my comments that we got a visit by one famous young lady from your place.
            btw, ato Abi to my surprise this young lady is in complete agreement with me about the wall thing , but she also proposed the wall should have a door and window… and i said be it why not.. we need those openings so that we exchange salt,berbere,when we are short to say the least.

          • Abraham H.

            Sara, you’re so funny:)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            I was referring to organizational policy, but I understand how it could sound for an outsider when “Amhara” is used in place of or interchangeably with “Mengisti Amhara” by individuals. Think of it like some outlaw soldiers going on a rape spree regardless of how sternly it is condemned by the government or the military leaders. Individual behavior is hard to control. Sara’s take below explains the other half.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            Don’t bother to explain. Whether organizational or personal it is sickening.
            Now it is the “agames ” turn. There is always somebody out there they hate.
            Look the Agazians. You think they just learned to hate Amharas and Muslims and everyone else today? No Sir. It’s a result of many bedtime stories.
            There was a commenter by the nick “memhir ” for a very short time. He was so proud to tell me the baby songs his mother used to sing for him.
            How about the ” second werar ” or whatever that was?
            It is sickening to say it mildly.

          • Dear Fanti Ghana,

            I am sorry, I too do not agree with your statement under #1, nor with ‘mengisti amhara’. I do not accept either the existence of ‘mengisti woyane/tigray’ in ethiopia since 1991, which many people support this for different reasons.
            In your opinion ‘amhara adgi’ was not a hate speech targeting a certain ethnic group, but it’s institutions. There was an ‘ethiopian serawit’ and not an ‘amhara serawit’, which was composed of amharas, oromos, eritreans, tigrayans, gambellans and the rest, because it was a national army.
            What do you say, do we have today, a ‘woyane (tigrayan) serawit’ in ethiopia or an ‘ethiopian armed forces’, even though there are people who say the first is true, due to the fact that the great majority of the senior officers in the armed forces come from one ethnic group, and it is controlled by a political party that come from the same ethnic group, and this force is blamed for many killings?
            The contempt and intimidation the amhara ethnic group faced soon after the fall of the derg was the result of this wholesale hate towards one ethnic group. You could have said that it was an ‘anger filled hate speech’, and many would have understood it. If the painful chapters of our history should be told, it is better that they are told as they are. That is why from our side we should acknowledge that war atrocities were committed in eritrea, and the opposite side should also accept that this was a hate speech towards one ethnic group, from which it is supposed that the whole of the previous ethiopian government and armed forces have come, while that ethnic group lived no better than others. It will help a lot in future reconciliation of the two people and bury the hatchet.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Horizon,

            I really do understand what you and Abi are saying. I am not denying the existence of the deragatory remarks you mentioned. What I initially tried to distinguish was what the organization’s mandate was verses “anger filled hate speech” by individuals. Had you lived in the north during the 60s and 70s, you would understand a little better what life looked like then. Any and every government official spoke Amharic, courts conducted their businesses in Amharic, teachers taught in Amharic, whether the children understood it or not, any thing remotely governmental business was conducted in Amharic. Especially in Eritrea, it was an acute case because the forced transition from Tigrigna to Amharic happened in the 60s.

            Under these circumstances, I am sure you can understand why the average Eritrean would call it “Amhara government.” However, even then, EPLF was clear and taught its members accordingly on differentiating the people from the government. I hope I am not sounding as condoning whatever was said against “Amhara” at any time anywhere. We initially got into this subject because envision tried to equate AgAzians’ hate mongering, starting from its “leader” on down, with that of Eritreans of the 60s/70s mention of Amhara anything, claiming it was EPLF’s tactic, and that sounded a travesty to me.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dearest envision,
        What do you expect! I have to either ignore them, bash them or resist them. I cant join them for sure. Nor do they deserve the benefit of the doubt from me for me to think of them as contributing anything positve. They are not yet important enough to deserve my attention to really challenge their ideas in a substantive way. And I am sure they will disappear to the thin air before they reach that stage.
        If you ask me, i am surprised you are a supporter of such craziness. What did they do to land such a smart and sharp person into their fold! You really believe such a group can bring the two Tigrians together?! Do you underestimate these two peoples that much? These two people are part of a shared and shinning civilizations. They have nothing against each other. And defnitley, if there are few issues to be sorted, they are not that helpless and dried of wisdoms to seek any guidance or leadership from a wacky group.
        Usually, crazy ideas are flagged and picked by idlling individuals who lost a useful role in their society. Such bizarre ideas always come from the boys, by the way. Sorry, but that is true in most cases. We join you on suffering the consequences but we are innocent in causing them. What is making you boys so restless to wake up from your bed and experment a grand crazy stuff?!
        The only reason why such crazy stuff survive even a single day is because they come at the time of desperation and frustration. And because they are crazy from the start, they first get ignored, then they get mocked and laughed at, then they get challenged, then they get resisted and die. But they always die, few of them after causing much havoc, but mostly before getting anywhere. The chance of such ideas reaching that level, posing the necessity of being resisted at all is slim. Only few of them. They all die a natural death in their infancy.
        Wehen another desperate times times come, another wacko comes with his own strange slogan and group and noise and waves relentlessly for attention: “hey, it is me. Here. Look at me! I am your savour. Do you remember…”

        • envision

          Hi Hayat,
          Well, what can I say? Let’s wait then until you can not ignore them. Few things though. I hope you know well that your views/writings from your ivory-tower do not have any impact on the ground. The question you should ask yourself is whether your support/detraction has any import whatsoever. I am sure people here can do analysis/philosophising after the fact, but they would never initiate change/revolution, nor would they stop/deter one. It is impossible. There is also a strong sense of groupthink in here, forged after so many interaction.

          Real work is dirty and it is done on the ground, and AgAzians are doing exactly that. They are talking to the youth at their level and in their language, and the youth are responding positively. That is what matters, and nobody can stop a marching youth, much less nicknamed people from obscure internet forums. It is the kind of movement that grows both when you detract it and when you support it. There is only one thing to do: wring positive things out of it. For more see my reply to Fanti.

        • Yohannes

          Hi Hayat,

          In case you didn’t notice, you are commenting under an article by an author who started his first paragraph with “The Agazian extremists think that….”; obviously, what the Agazians think seem to bother him. What looks contradicting in your response to envision is that you say they haven’t yet deserved your attention, yet you have made your mond that you HAVE TO either ignore them, bash them or resist them. How did you even reach that conclusion if you didn’t go through their arguments? I have no difficulty imagining your mental process that made it all that too easy for you to say that and I have no doubt that in the formulation of your understanding laziness, prejudice, and weakness had a major influence.

          So years back, I remember people wishfully thinking YGs views on Ghedli (considered crazy at the time) were going to disappear in to thin air. YG and his ideas were bashed from all possible directions, and may be they did keep the voice a little down. But all the unoriginal, weak, jurgon filled, wishful arguments like the ones most people in these forum keep writing didn’t deter his ideas to take hold in the minds of many youth. Few years later, they were picked up again albeit in a twisted form. (No one wrote articles about the crazy ideas of those EPLF defaming youtubers by the way. I know why…wink wink).
          Coming back to my point, let alone Tesfazion’s arguments and narratives which are mostly centered on visible realities, even YGs contrary views have survived. I do agree with Semere Andom on his article “The Agaiazians Have Testosterone Too!” that their ideas are not as crazy as some people would like to portray it; but I agree he is brutally honest, and politically so incorrect . Yo may call that a crazy way of presentation and I dont disagree.

          But I wish that you realize that this movement is not a new crazy idea out of the thin air and has a vast social base. More importantly, I wish you realize that it is not Tesfazion’s movement. Yes, Tesfazion is doing a job of energizing and intellectualizing it(yes I know it sounds odd to you but yes, ‘intellectualizing’).

          Having said this, let me tailor this Aganizm just for you and your likes: scrap off the Tigray-Tigrini new country, scrap off the ‘open rascism’ , scrap off unlikable people(Tesfazion) and you will still have a big junk left on your table and it is still non but the good old Tigrinya nationalism. Now, do you have a problem if the Tigrinyas drink from their identity, history and culture so that they grow their Samson’s hair back and help us all kick away the bad king?

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam envision,

        Tegaru are proud of their identity, land and their belonging to Ethiopia. I don’t think they are mad in search of new names. In Eritrea we have Tesfatsen Group who are identity-less. These group Isaias coined for them the name Tigrinia, but they are not satisfied with it, this is the reason that made Tesfatsen come with the name ALJAZANIAN (AGAZIAN) a name of a region in the South of Saudi Arabia or Northern Yemen.

        I have a solution for Tesfatsen and his group that makes them feel happy. Since they live among a pool of tribes who are proud of their identities, they feel ashamed which is natural. I believe the entire Eritrean tribes are ready to assimilate Tesfatsen and his group in their tribes and consider them as their brothers and sisters and with time they will be part and parcel of these tribes. For example the names go as follows:

        Tesfatsen Al-Beniamrawi
        Amanuel Iyassu Al-Bilenawi
        Habtemariam Al-Hababawi
        Barakhat Al-Mualimawi
        Helen Al-Nafotawiya
        Semere Tesfai Al-Mensaawi etc.

        Welcome brothers and sisters to our tribes, and you will have a free access to all we own without any bloodshed.

        Al-Arabi

        • Kebessa

          Selam Hameed,
          Amanuel Iyassu is a hero. He fought for his country since he was a kid. It is sad he is bashed by people whose contribution for Eritrea is only a percentage of Amanuel’s. Aboy Habtemariam is a hero too, Semere Tesfay is a hero. Those who fought in Gedli can not be labelled unpatriotics on the basis of their current views. Their action speaks louder. Just my view. I don’t know who Barakat and Helen are.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Kebessa,

            Don’t forget Isaias Afwerki also fought for his country therefore he is a hero, of course according to your logic.

            Al-Arabi

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Hamid,

            Are you a hero, compared to Isaias?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Simon Kaleab,

            At least I am not a criminal. All humans born and lead their life as innocent persons, at a certain time of their life very rare people commit crime but crimes, and end up their life as criminals.

            Al-Arabi

    • iSem

      Hi Hayat:
      I think I understand Dawit like this: our just struggle was hijacked by the forces of “Isaias” after independence, which is false assertion believed by man. That the heroes he mentions that Nakfa reminds him of, gave their precious lives for liberty and we should not confuse them with the forces of “Isaias”, which is correct. That Reclaiming our Nakfa history instead of dissociating from it will ultimately help us achieve our goals, as we have something to believe in, he is also right, because people do not pay heavy price for resources and beauty and majesty of landscape, they do it for a believe, think of anything thing in history and is for some believe system, that is a problem and also a solution, it is problem if the belief is a myth or founded on truth, so Dawit is saying ,abandoning that legacy is dangerous for our future. I do not think that clinging to Nakfa would help us, it is clinging into the founding principles of Ghedli and clearly delineating between the forces of IA and the heroes, and appreciating that the forces of IA did not emerge from the wood work after 1991. Dawit and many otherwise smart and democracy advocates believe that the IA forces emerged after May 1991 and kidnapped our journey, the journey of liberty and freedom and emancipation, and believing otherwise is “unNakfa”, unEritrean, unGhedli etc. I think Dawit cares about the urgent matter that you cite, but his solution is this: let us reclaim Nakfa, the crucible of sacrifice and tenacity and liberty then we can purge the mafia forces of IA.

      But the IA forces did not spring from the wood work, they were charting the current dangerous trek, they were toying with the very DNA of the armed struggle from the get go and many people I respect have issues with this FACT. What proof do we have for the assertion that IA forces were created long before 1991: I go back to history when Eri had two influential orgs, ELF and EPLF, there was war and EPLF treated ELF, an Eritrean org like the main enemy (qedamay tselai) on the eve of the Six’s offensive, that was insane if you are working to remove the occupiers. And to his credit, Dawit figured that in the early 2000s, I cannot remember the articles but he wrote at least one article revisiting that epoch of Eritrea’s struggle, the armed struggle, the struggle for survival. Also I can go and on how the boys of Sahel treated the people, changing the fabric of the society, destroying its culture and norms in the name of advancement and their unfair and myopic national call that wreaked havoc on every aspect of society. Again there are people who apologize for it, it was communism and they did not know better.
      On the “bold” letter of G-13: I do not call that letter bold and it is not Dawit’s fault of course, he was probably the youngest member as far as I can remember, but there were veteran academics with log association who were privy to the inner working and intrigues of IA and that letter was full of praises of IA. when it was reported that IA called them to Asmara some of my friends were excited about the future, a president is talking to our intellectuals, they saw bright future, but I knew IA will humiliate them and humiliate them he did, he made them beg to meet him and when he met them last minute he did not even address their mild concerns. I predicted he would arrest them, I was wrong and I am happy.
      refusing to learn from the past the G-15 did the same as the G-15 and we know how that turned out
      For those who were not in denial, for those who were not willing participant, for those who were observant enough the forces of IA were there, and Aklilu T Zere figured that long time ago.
      So, I understand what Dawit is saying and I think like many of us the urgent problems you mention makes him sleepless but his diagnosis of the forces of IA is wrong

      • Dawit Mesfin

        Selam ISem,
        Thank you for clarifying the points I was trying to put across. Your input helped to see the following:

        As you know, there are many negative aspects of Eritrea’s post-independence state of affairs that can be mentioned as examples of skewed developments: bullying and persecutions, politically motivated ostracism, downright paranoia, unfair imprisonment, unconstitutional rule, economic hardship and lack of breathing space for citizens; and to cap it all up, now the world is witnessing unparalleled mass exodus of its youth. Who ever thought the West, the Middle East and neighbouring countries would be full of young Eritreans, former fighters and government officials, professionals and well-educated citizens who were directly and indirectly forced to leave for good by the push factors that are widespread in the country? The political climate in Eritrea is the main reason why the Eritrea Diaspora, us, tens of thousands strong, the backbone of the independence struggle, refuse to go back to Eritrea?

        All the above has defined a certain kind of Eritrean reality. There is also another reality which is historical in nature; I call it the Nakfa reality. We cannot anger and frustrations get the better of us.
        Again, thank you,
        Dawit

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Hi sem,

        Aklilu the acute observer, smart, brilliant, was the only person who understood Issayas and his project as early as 1976, and the only person who saw the birth of the despot in their meeting. Now to see people telling us, that the current conduct of Issayas is not the continuation from the ghedli era, but rather a new manifestation after 1991, when they come in to the city is decieving to say the least. This evil man was a despot at the field and is a despot after independence. He was killing as a group in the field and making disappear as a group in town. No difference what so ever.

        Regards

    • Desbele

      Selam Hayat ,my hero,

      I always am disoriented and raged when these Eritrean “elites” romantacize about Ghedli. I wish i respond to them but never able to write what is in my head …….but you, my hero , are always there ,beautifully articulating how these so called elitists go wrong. I wish all of them took YG 101.
      Dear Hayat , please , please, ignore the Nittric’s and lash on the likes of Dawit…they are the most dangerous.
      I am an Amiche. I was made Eritrean by the relentless effort of my dad and mom. Rules at home were:
      Speak Tigrigna at home, go to church at least on sunday mornings, excel in school , socially connect with relatives, …that is my identity. My father was detained by the bandit Shaebia after i escaped their slavery. No, no ,no …Ghedli is not my identity. I advice Mr. Dawit to climb Bizen to find his true 700+ yrs identity. Just an encouragement : They will wash your feet when you first arrive at the Awde Mihret.
      True to its humbleness, the people of Eritrea literally washed Shaebiay’s feet when they finally made it ….and guess what…. true to its nature , Shaebia kicked the people of Eritrea right on its head ….and continuing to do so

      • Hayat Adem

        Thank you. I admire your parents. Those are the real Eritrean values PFDJ has diluted and adulterated, and we are not doing enough to re-steer our societies back to their real self..
        Hayat

  • FM

    The Essex charity conman, who is deforming our proud Eritrean history is spreading religious hatred. Under UK Law, this man could be persecuted and even deported..we just need to report him.

    http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/african-aids-action-founder-eyob-sellassie-found-guilty-100000-gift-aid-scam/finance/article/1312608

    • Abraham H.

      Selam FM, so what are you waiting guys, esp. those of you who are in the UK? Why don’t you take him to the courts and eventually get him deported?

      • FM

        In the process..

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Dawit ,

    Your slogan: “no to sectarianism and ethnocentrism!” is indeed a fitting call in these unhealthy times that Eritrean patriots should answer in unison. National unity and societal cohesion that have been nourished by mixing of blood and sweat of heroes and heroines should be defended with unrelenting determination and energy.

    The elites should take lead in this endeavor to expose and shred asunder the façade the bigots wear. I read this contribution from you within the premise I just noted. For people who remind themselves by lessons of history, they know how perilous it is to underestimate and ignore the toxic messages such variants of extremism as the one currently in vogue disseminate. After all, we know how fascism in Europe incubated and grew where appeasement and ambivalence had provided time for incubation, growth and space for maneuver.

    In our case, too, as long as the current bad times in our country would persist, it will continue to bread such oddities in the same way exhausted soil produces all kinds of strange weeds. The only way opportunists and those who strive after undeserved reward could undermine our people’s past is through hiding behind the smoke screens of ideologies of sectarian and racial puritanism, just as the fascists and Nazis did, by feeding on disillusions that afflict peoples. The current extremist variant hovering on our horizon cannot be explained in any other way. It too has been trying to feed on the setback that afflicted the promises our national struggle had bode for the future, but degenerated to an era of a ruthless dictatorship.

    Regards

    • Dawit Mesfin

      Dear Ismail,

      It is nice to hear from you.
      Ismail, many freedom fighters who took part during the armed struggle are being buried alive, not under the soil, but into historical oblivion. Under our watch!

      You are right when you say: National unity and societal cohesion that have been nourished by mixing of blood and sweat of heroes and heroines should be defended with unrelenting determination and energy.

      When we spot bigotry in our campaigns for justice, we do not need to do much but confront it self-assuredly for we know the good outnumber the bad. No matter what the detractors do, where they come from or who is backing them from behind the scenes, we will always outnumber them.
      Dawit

      • Ismail AA

        Dear Dawit,
        Thank you for your response; I know the time constraint you have. You are right that responsibility to confront and expose bigotry, of what ever nature it may be, entails closing ranks and coordinating efforts. Such extremist variants do not come from void; there is some agencies that directly or indirectly provide them playing ground and incentives. This should give us reason to never entertain nonchalance.
        Regards

  • Dawit Mesfin

    Dear Tes,
    I fully understand your concerns … such journeys never finish. However, our load becomes lighter when we wrap our belongings with the Nakfa-veil as we travel. We, the older generation, are to blame here. We allowed Isaias to play with and appropriate our history. It is full of heroism. Have you ever heard of the Red Star Operation? Let me illustrate.

    The decisive triumph of our freedom fighers over the Ethiopian forces during the 6th Offensive was, for instance, all-important to Africa, on account of what it overthrew as well as for what it established. The 6th Offensive (15 Feb, 1982): The Ethiopian military had lost more than 25,000 in the first five offensives. Frustrated, they regrouped to launch the largest military offensive ever assembled against our Tegadelti in order to end the rebellion for ever. The operation was code-named Red Star. Ethiopia, supported by aerial and heavy artillery bombardments, attacked the Barka, Nakfa, Northeast Sahel and Hal-Hal fronts. Stories of the Red Star campaign marked the peak of Ethiopia military and political onslaught on Eritrea. The campaign which necessitated Menghistu Hailemariam, the Ethiopian leader, to move his office to Asmara, involved more than 120,000 Ethiopian soldiers who were heavily supported by resources from the Soviet Union. The campaign lasted for three relentless months. The Nakfa front alone attracted more than half of the Ethiopian military.

    Our young people should know this, I believe. As far as relaunching a new Nakfa Front … oops, was that a slip of the tongue?
    Dawit

    • Abi

      Hi Dawit
      Excellent bedtime stories you are telling.
      Now tell me what your legendary victories brought to the young people wasting their lives in numerous refugee camps? To thousands of Eritreans in the underground prisons, in Sawa prison camps? Need I say more?
      Let me tell you Sir. Your collective madness brought only untold miseries to the young and old, men and women in the country. Your hoax revolutionary madness did not have Eritreans at heart.
      You have being rejected by the young as we speak. They don’t stop to listen to your adventures. They are dying to save their lives.
      Look around. There is nobody. You are talking to yourself. You are acting like an old prostitute remembering her old good days.

      • Dawit Mesfin

        I am sorry my arguments have not made sense to you at all. You are well within your rights to express your views on the matter. We have problems, I know. But I do reserve my right in making a distinction between today and yesterday.

      • Peace!

        Abye,
        Mend’New Yene Wend’M …is it hard for you to argue with substance and respectful manner? No one denies that Eritrea has its own problems like any other country that fought and achieved independence. The mission of Ghedli was to drive the brutal occupier Ethiopian army out and it did swiftly, period. Now how that Issayas government is different from yours that’s slaughtering peaceful protesters, torturing journalists, causing internal displacement, and plummeting the country into state of emergency and committing atrocities on a broad day light. why don’t you ask what the 3000 years of pride has done for young Ethipians than the 30 years of Ghedli for Eritreans. YemaYaT’geb Enjera K’metadu YasTwuKal. That’s how me and of course many others too feel when we see your nick name.

        Peace!

        • Abi

          Hi Peace
          If the mission of gedli was to remove Ethiopians you have succeeded. Congratulations!!!!!!
          However, if you are looking for peace with your former enemy, you have to switch from bragging and in the process inculcating in the minds of the youth. It is a new day, a new down.
          Again, the people your struggle liberated are the ones running away from the gedli consequences.
          BTW, I have got no respect for people who keep the propaganda machine running just to keep their madness alive.
          Sorry.

          • Peace!

            Abye,
            Of course! how many times we have gone through this that peace, or even economic integration, among both people and governments is a must, not an option, if these two countries to enjoy stability and economic prosperity, I thought it is a no-brainer. And if you are really feeling the pain of feeling young Eritreans, then demonizing the country’s history is not what they need at this desperate times rather hospitality and support wherever they wish to reach. As for bragging, neither Ethiopians nor Eritreans are in a position to brag as they continue to flee their respective countries and becoming refugees to other countries.

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Selam Peace,

            Abi is right that our youth are fleeing Eritrea like there is no tomorrow. That there is no comparison for the number of youth fleeing Eritrea to that of Ethiopia. You don’t even have to be too smart to figure out the ratio of 3.5 M/100 M. I know you are one of the G-7 supporters, but I expect you to stick with the facts obvious to all on this forum. Deal with the fact that Eritrea is in a huge mess because of the mafia leaders. Eritrea’s problem is exposed even to cave men (to place where there is no technology in getting access to media/news sources.

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomi,
            Ya Weled:) when did I compare the two countries and say Eritrea is better, all I said the two countries need each other and cooperation is a must if they wish to enjoy peace and prosperity in the region, was it hard for you to read that and write a sober comment, or is your verbal diarrhea is not getting any better? I am becoming more and more worried that overuse of personal attacks is a sign of serious mental instability.
            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Hi Peace,

            Ya Weled:) I got what I expected to come from you, laugh loud:) My beef with you is when you have time and again to mention Ethiopia as the major problem for what is going in Eritrea. Real people see the most horrifying drama spilling out of Eritrea not the other way around. Eritrean youth in droves are fleeing to Ethiopia, we don’t see Ethiopians/the Tigreans seeking refuge in Eritrea. Below are things you usually write:
            – TPLF/the weyanes are killing and imprisoning the Ethiopians (mentioning the recent upraising and jumping up and down with excitements)— remember, you rarely say these things about the Eritrean regime.
            – Tend to always downgrade the Eritrean opposition groups while at the same time trying to make a big deal of the Issayas camp/the supporters of the regime in Eritrea. You try to tell us that they are in hundreds of thousands (I wonder where you got that info when you have none whatsoever proof to back your claim up)
            – You don’t support almost all external forces (like COI, UNSC sanction group, Somali-Eritrea monitoring group) and many others, prove me otherwise?
            – more…………………..

          • Peace!

            Selam Thomas,
            I was responding to the proud Ethiopian Abi in a way he can understand me otherwise I have no intention whatsoever to be negative about anything including my adoptive country, Ethiopia. The rest is YAWN.
            If you are a proud Ethiopian, which by the way even better, it would get me closer to you so we both can go to Addis, Langano, and Sodere once the brutal TPLF eliminated from the face of the earth. AS for Eritrea, it is our fault that the misery hasn’t come to an end because we have spent too much time K’neqaih (MeraWi KeiHaza Arki”haza) and sadly enough, we are paying the price, Mexaweti Naizom AgAzian (CHRISTIAN TALIBAN) KoiNa. Epe’e

            Peace!

          • Thomas

            Selam Peace,

            Your sentence, “I have no intention whatsoever to be negative about anything including my adoptive country, Ethiopia” clears things out of my way. For a long time, I knew something is up with you.
            Peace out!!

          • Peace!

            Hi Thomas,

            Good. Now ኣርፈህ ተቀመጥ and please stop forcing me from littering this great forum with nonsense argument, and make me bill my clients for the time I wasted with you. Bye!

            Peace!

          • Abi

            Tomi
            Peace is from Piazza.
            You have not been paying attention.

          • tes

            Selam Abi,

            You wrote,

            If the mission of gedli was to remove Ethiopians you have succeeded. Congratulations!!!!!!

            Thank you Abi. It is good at least seeing you swallow your pride and saying congratulations. To say this, it needs courage. The rest, leave us alone. Or help us to build our nation.

            tes

          • Abi

            You are welcome Hawuna Tes
            What is sad is the victorious gedli displaced the entire youth.
            I did not know Archimedes displacement theory works for human beings.

    • tes

      Dear Dawit Mesfin,

      First of all, I would like to thank you so much for your unique and special articles. They are unique and I could have loved to ask thousands of questions. Rather, I am thinking to challenge you. I hope you will welcome me in doing so.

      My challenge is going to be presented into a series of two long posts. Here is the first part:

      I would like to start with your previous article

      In your previous article, titled by, Eritrean Youth: The Lost Generatoin, I asked to myself, “why he is calling us the lost generation?” when he is not really communicating between the generations. And now you came with a new title, another title that we are trying to challenge.

      It is good I think to divide/cluster Eritrean generations based on different stages of our on-going experience

      1. Generation of Struggle 1961 – 1991

      This generation is divided into three
      a. Ghedli Generation – those who joined the armed struggle

      Is a generation that feels proud for doing something worthy. And by default, this generation beliefs that it is the legitimate mentor for all generations.

      This generation Is feelings guilty now as it failed to make Eritrea and Eritreans the land of FREEDOM.

      b. Generation that stayed at home and worked under Ethiopian rule

      Generation with feeling of guiltness -for not joing the armed struggle- for doing nothing or cooperating with the aggressors. This generation feels illegitimate. The word, “Abey zineberka eka – where were you? repeated and echoed by

      This generation Is feelings has the feeling of losing or gaining nothing. Every now and then, you can hear them saying, GIDEFUNA ENDO BEJAKUM, SELAMNA HABUNA. NABRANA KEFIUNA ALO.” When they don’t have peace inside, they urgue you not to disturb their peacefulness.

      c. Diaspora Generation 19991 – 1997

      This generation has mixed feelings – one, there is feeling of ‘I did my responsibility by helping economically for the struggle. However, it became a worshipper of the Ghedli generation – this blocks the right to call for the rights it deserves. One can not be a worshipper and a challenger. Many consider themselves as loyal members.

      This generation is in the verge of staying loyal and worhsipper derived by burning nationalism sentiments and feeling guilty for trying to suppress human rights of Eritreans living inside the country.

      2. Generation of Enthusiasm –

      This generation – stayed at home when independence was achieved. Everything was fine and ready for building the nation – 1994 was a bench mark for this generation – When National Service was declared, everyone was happy to join. There was great enthusiasm to contribute what is needed for the Nation Building.

      This generation is now re-organizing itself under the banner of “Local Community Associations – under a pre-requisite of NO POLITICS and NO RELIGOIN or whatever, just Cultural and Social affairs. And it is doing because of the same enthusiastic sentiment of doing something for the community – still National Service mindset

      3. Generation of Institutional Building – 1997 – 2002

      This generation was better equiped to build governmental institutions and fulfill professoianl demand. This generation sought Eritrea is at a better shape to have a constitutional government and relatively better governance.

      Having witnessed government fractures and institutional liquidation, this generation is now trying to be a born-again professioanl expert in the domain of Eritrean Political Conflict Management. And many are are actively participating in the formation of Civic Rights Movement. They are hating politicians from time to time and they do not have trust on political organizations . You can this generation in many professional associations and civic societies of current movement.

      4. Disheartened Generation 2002 – 2008

      This generation has witnessed shuttering of the sailing of hope and institutional liquidation. It has lost trust of institution and presence of big walls in the forefront blocked everything from advance.

      This generation has a simply burning heart. There is no way to go. But movements like Agazians can easily attract it.

      5. Floating Generation 2008 – 2014

      This generation have got nothing to worry about. He has witnessed a non-institutionalized government, which it took it as it is but OK, no enthusiasm, no institution, no profession. There is no system to rely on. By default, this generation is the most liberal generation. There is no base and there is no sailing of hope.

      This generation generation cares less on what is going on. But there is a potential to divert them into an effective generation by pushing them up wards. Today, Regional sentiment is winning this group of generation. It might be danegerous but is a good sign.

      6. Identity Search Generation – 2014 – 2020

      This generation is listenin, watching, observing and building capacity at a speedy rate. A rate that can challenge everyone.

      This generation is similar to Floating generation but needs proper educaton as it seems more eager to learn. .

      Therefore, your title is misleading and unrepresentative. Eritrean youth are not lost. We are always around.

      In conlcusion, what you came with in this latest article is a continuation of your mischaracterization in the first one. Saying this, let me challenge you for your second take.

      tes

      • tes

        Second part of Challeneg:

        Not Nakfa but mountain Adal has strong message for today’s generation.

        On the other hand,

        Nakfa is becoming a symbol of oppression for my generation.

        Nakfa, today, no matter what has happened in the past, in today’s Eritrean mind set, it is is becoming a symbol of oppression, inflation, dictatorship and a false pride. It is a symbol of corruption and human trafficking.

        Dear Dawit, Nakfa was great two decades before, long time before:

        1. PFDJ was born in the heart of Nakfa (1994)
        2. A currency called Nakfa started to circulate in the pockets of every Eritrean citizen (1997)
        3. The border war broke out and Badme became the center of vicitimization (1998)
        4. G – 15, the heroes of Nakfa were arrested and inprisoned without communicado.
        5. Mietir became a center of torture and persecution
        6. GeleAlo and WiA became the prison center of University students
        7. Sawa became the beginning of a never ending suffering
        8. Sinai became the center of Body Organ marketing center
        9. Libya became a transit of hope
        10. Refugee centers in Ethiopia, Israel and Sudan became the sole haven place of desperate Eritreans

        Nakfa is no more the center of pride today. It is a symbol of horor and persecution.

        Dear Dawit, my generation is not denying what happened in Nakfa. But, we are scrutinizing it under a experimental lab of, The end justifies the means.

        Now, my generation is going back to 1961. We want to communicate with hamid Idris Awate. Awate , for us, is becoming a symbol of Resistance and Liberty. We are looking at Mount Adal. This mountain has rather a strong message for us today than ever before. It was not our intention. But, but PFDJ has forced us, to look back on who we are. We are categorically rejecting oppression.

        Nakfa for us is a symbol of monopoly and intolerance. It is Nakfa that has eradicated ELF. Nakfa never embraced diversity. Nakfa for us is a symbol of Despotism.

        Nakfa, for us Anti-FREEDOM. On the contrary,
        Mount Adal is symbol of search for liberty.

        We are looking for Mount Adal, to inspire us, to inform us, to embolden us, to reconcile us.

        Nakfa is becoming a symbol of:

        – Rejection
        – Monopoly
        – Oppression
        – Pesecution
        – Criminilization
        – Corruption
        – Abusing

        The great historical achievements of Nakfa was gone with the birth of PFDJ. Nakfa was buried in Nakfa. Now, we have a nightmare wispering Nakfa.

        If my generation rejects to honor Nakfa, it is not for the great historical victories but what is in existence today. Those historical days are there.

        Dear Dawit, do not be mislead. When we reject Nakfa, we are not rejecting our history. Our rejection is all what is present in today’s Eritrea.

        Dear Dawit, don’t be in a disarray. Do not think Eritrean Youth is a lost generation. We are present.

        What we are doing is this –

        We are hating nationalism and socialism. We are adjusting ourselves in a liberal world. We are changing our political ideology – from socialism and nationalism, to Liberalism.

        If you are observing more civic organizations hatching today, it is nothing but a sign of liberal ideas. Eritreans are benefitting the freedom they got in the new world.

        Of course, my generation is hating politics. Sectarianism and Ethnocentralism is much liberal compared to organized political situation.

        The reason we hate politics is not because our hate is conscious but it is a hate of PFDJ political persecution and domination.

        Dear Dawit, trying to organize today’s Eritrean youth needs much more liberal path.

        The political organizations that exist in the opposition camp are either nationalists or Socialists. They need to adjust in to a liberal thinking that embrace Civic Societies.

        Dear Dawit, Eritreans are now starting to appreciate political situation of 1940s, 1950s. They want to create a liberal political path.

        Of course, Agazian Ideology is not liberal but is benefitting from the environment we are living.

        If we can, lets adjust ourselves. I know it is hard to be adjusted in to a liberal world but there is some hope.

        Here is my challenge then:

        By mixing rule of law and liberal thinking, there is a possibility of creating Liberal Democratic Environment. To achieve this, the Ghedli generation can stress on Rule of Law, and the new Generation on Liberal thinking..

        What do you think?

        tes

        • Ismail AA

          Dear tes,

          Hoping you will give the honor of addressing you son because I belong to the post Adal generation of youth, you and your peers give me reason to whisper to myself: Oh! Thanks God that I am still breathing to hear and read from young Eritrean like you – the real and rightful owners of the legacy of heroism of their fathers and mothers.

          To read your grasp of the sad conditions you and your generation had to go through, which we the glorious liberation war generation had failed to sanitize and pass it, give me and my generation hope and peace of mind to tell ourselves: Thank God, after all, it was not all in vain, and our youth shall reclaim what is legitimately theirs.

          The reason that stirred my ego to write these few lines is the way you debate issues in this forum, which had now been reinforced by your wonderful capability of connecting epochal events like Nakfa and Adal, and making beautiful sense of them to fit your and your peers situation.

          I am sure many of us have been gratified by the way you have set yourself to argue and challenge father Dawit, and I am sure he will feel that his effort to produce those articles have you have referred to has indeed been successful.

          tes, God bless you and your peers

          Regards

          • tes

            Dear Ismail AA.,

            It is my honor to be called “your son”. It is such a rare opportunity. When a father welcomes his son the world ahead changes. It is luck of this word that we are forced to flee. If those freedom fighters embraced us long time before they changed themselves kids[those in power, the juntas now, the criminals] who need someone to take care of them, peace and prosperity could have been our living environment today.

            A father – son relationship is vital in connecting generations and progress. If this relationship is destroyed, everything ruins. Today, Eritrean youth are losing a man who is wispering them by saying, “Son, I am proud of you’.

            Dear Ismail AA., I am lucky to land here at Awate Forum. It is the biggest university with unique oppportunity to learn. Very diverse, liberal but democratic, rich in history and political discourses.

            My generation has lots of challenges. But there is big achievements going on. Thanks to the IT era, we are getting information to be analysed. And our struggle is becoming more liberal. The missing part, very crucial, is absence of Rules to guided with.

            Hope your generation will us to shape this rule. This is what is now to be considered unaccomplished task. I urge you therefore to work on framing Rules. You should not worry on Rule of Law. One day, there is be rule of law. But a law is very important at this day to be crafted by your generation.

            tes

      • Dawit Mesfin

        Dear Tes,
        They say that struggle is a never ending process. I am sure we can agree on that maxim. They also say that freedom is never really won 100% – it is something one earns on an on-going basis. To cut a long story short, generations are concatenated by history – and that is where Nakfa comes in. I can see where this is leading to – a long discussion, Tes.

        Anyway, having said the above, let me go back to the point I have raised in my article. Actually, before I do that let me say I like the way you broke the generational gaps for me; with an exception that your gaps are too narrow to be referred to as generations. The breakdown you presented are within 5-10 years (rather a quarter of an actual generation). However, you are right – there is a gap in our thinking as we progress from one generation to the next. And that is because the Ghedli generation failed in informing your generation the costly sacrifices that were paid to secure us a niche within the international community. That disconnect is proving costlier now. We do not want to end up becoming people of disconnected history. How can we discuss the history of the Eritrea as a series of generational biographies going back to the Ghedli era? That is a major task. We have the responsibility to maintain the bridges that connect us as Eritreans. This crack, unfortunately, is being exploited by some elements who think in terms Muslim/Christian, highland/lowland constructs, issues Nakfa dealt with long time ago.

        Tes, you seem to be suggesting that generations change in response to major events. That is true. Indeed, those of the Ghedli generation and the Badme War/Sawa/National service generation are quite different from each other. Mind you, Ghedli is a major historical event of my generation because it involved us, in our young age, and shaped our lives. That experience is still reflected in our old age – I receive meaning from those early experiences. You and I cannot have the same generational consciousness because our experiences are different. However, what brings us together is our national identity – we are Eritreans. Even then there is a difference – one sacrificed his/her life to craft a country called Eritrea, and the other is struggling to make it an agreeable Eritrea.

        I will leave it there for now, Tes. I cannot go about answering your questions because that will lead me into raising issues to do with theory of generations, why generations clash and so forth … by the time we finish it will be a full-fledged article.

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Tes,
        I will admit that I did not read the entirity of your comment but I am disapointed, to say the least, that the Ethiopian generation feels as you assumed. Contrary to that I do not feel any guilt for not fighting on the Eri side against the Ethio because I always feel that there was a peaceful solution to all that 30yrs of carnage. Contrary to your assumption, my disappointment squarely lies on the side of the Ethios. That is becuse they were fighting a foolish war. A war that they knew nothing about. Still do not know. To this date the Ethios are yet to explain why all that war and bloodshed? Because, as I see it, even now they do not seem to understanding the complexities of Eritrea and its poltics. Look how envision were trying to ride Amde. Notice the naivities of Fanti and Hayat in trying to bring Canada-USA like relationship. Observing, from a far, their miraculous economic revival, it is safe to assume that we were their problem. As for the Agazeans, all I say to them is that good luck in convincing the Tegaru to join you!

        • Paulos

          Selam Dis Donc,

          It is rather a convoluted reasoning to assert that, the potential for economic take off in Ethiopia had been arrested by Eritrea. And the reason Ethiopia is doing well is primarily the eventual riddance of Eritrea. That again is wrong to say the least precisely because the reason Ethiopia is in a stellar economic performance is adopting sound economic policy under the radar of strong and authoritarian state ala’ Tiger Nations in South East Asia in the 80s.

          What is fascinating is the fact that, in the early 90s when Eritrea was to embark on carrying Singapore to the Horn, Ethiopia was to crumble under the weight of ethnic tension where the obituary-foretold was already encrypted, sealed and delivered till we woke up to a reversal of fortune when Singapore got stuck in Ethiopia instead.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Paulus,
            Fact: the war in and outside Eritrea used to cost them arms, legs, and barrels of money
            Fact: With no war they are doing better than before.
            Conclusion: You can have a stellar position and tigress sound economic plan; you are left dream on.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Paulos & Dis Donc,
            You are both correct! No war plus a sound economic policy is benefiting Ethiopia, but it would have benefited Ethiopia even more had Eritrea was included in it as whatever except as what it is now.
            Now, shake hands.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Fanti,
            What I am saying is that Ethiopia could have retained Eritrea only through the muzzle of a gun and that would have costed them even more; given the proliferation of arms. Thence, Ethiopia was foolish in trying to subdue Eritrea; even more so by force. That left a telling scar in their national psych. Notwithstanding, the economic stagnation that the wars incurred. A witty politician would have long concluded that it was not worth it. Having said that, one cannot deny the fact that both Ethiopia and Eritrea could have benefitted if there was to be cooperation. However, considering the toxic nature of their relationship, that cooperation-to-be, will only remain a meagre imagination of some folks´ dream-like fantasia.

          • Haile S.

            Bonjour Dis Donc,
            Incluez moi dans cette fantaisie.
            Merci

          • Paulos

            Selam Haile,

            Je ne sais pas ce que Dis Donc essaie de dire.

          • Haile S.

            Bonjour Paulos,
            Je laisse Dis Donc repondre a votre question (I leave the answer to DD). Now let me switch my tongue not to leave aside those not fluent in Moliere’s tongue. This is my point of view: I would say that given the present situation DD may not be seeing hope in the corner. But I will remember Ismael Omar Ali’s treaty of optimism and I have hope even in the prevailing valley of hopelessness. Who knows we may hear its echo in the near future. Hope doesn’t hurt, despair does.

          • Paulos

            Selam Haile,

            I am sure you remember Boney M’ timeless lyrics where it goes, “By the rivers of Babylon there we sat down……” It was in a moment of darkness and despair the people looked back to the glorious days to gather strength and hope.

            Life in general is a grand narrative where its theme is revolved around a metaphor. Science may tell us that, one of the reasons the Sun disappears into the night is for the green plants to collect or breath-in carbon-dioxide so that they can make glucose when the Sun comes out during the day through photosynthesis. The main reason is however, it was designed for humanity to gather wisdom that every difficulty and sense of despair is temporal as the Sun rises after a night of pitch darkness.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Paulos,
            Well said. How can I forget that song. Thanks a lot.

          • Dear Paulos,

            I have a slightly different opinion. The best economic policy in the world is not going to help even developed countries, let alone a third world country like ethiopia, if there is a protracted war, and there is no peace. The wars in iraq and afghanistan were a big economic burden on the usa, a world power. Since 1961 ethiopia had known no peace. This meant the loss of human and economic resources that could have been diverted to economic development. All in all, if the thirty years of war were thirty years of peace and development, even without the best economic policy, ethiopia could have been better than what she was. If we add today’s economic policy free of corruption, nepotism and the rest, ethiopia could still have been much more developed, if she had also inherited thirty years of peace, instead of war. Therefore, the two factors that are responsible for the economic change we see in ethiopia, are the fact that eritrea is independent and there is peace in ethiopia, plus the emulation of the tiger economies of southeast asia.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            It is safe to say that generational well-being could be taken for an index to gauge if certain society with in a given period of time is better off than the previous generation. Ethiopia as we know her today is far better than Ethiopia under the previous regimes. In a sense, there is a generational progress if I dare say.

            If we are to trek along the intellectual discourses to ascertain the factors that had played a crucial role in setting Ethiopia onto economic prosperity and relative political stability, we would need exhaustive take where this particular exchange of ideas won’t suffice. That said however, Ethiopia at peace with herself has played a major role inter alia. Again, it is a wrong premise or vantage point to assert that, Eritrean secession or lack thereof was a hindrance for Ethiopia’s economic progress, simply because had the King or the Dergue gained political acumen and found political solution to the Eritrean question, Ethiopia would have been in a better shape for over half a century and counting. That said however, it is imperative to put into consideration that, sound economic policy would have been needed either by the King or by the Colonel to set Ethiopia onto the right path not only solving the Eritrean question through any means but war.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            You seem to forgot derg was a failed communist regime. What economic policy you talking about? None at all. I never put economic development and communism in the same sentence.
            If you remember there was some kind of economic activity after derg dropped communism and picked up mixed economic policies. It was a little bit too late though. It was a total disaster under communism.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abisensation,

            Maybe you read me wrong. That was precisely my point. The King and the Colonel adopted bad economic policies where even if they solved the Eritrean question politically, Ethiopia would still had been in a bad shape.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Next time write it in English. Don’t confuse the heck out of me.

          • Paulos

            Hey Abisensation,

            “Dergue was busy abusing the people when relaxed and cutting its right hand with its left when it was stressed” is gold as Amde would say it. Where is Amde these days anyway? Hope he is well.

            In my opinion, the King should have heeded his cousin’s advise (read: Ras Emru) to opt for constitutional monarchy but he gave more of his ears to his oldest daughter Princess Tenagnewerq who dragged him to complete a Absolutism to his last days. Ras Emru clearly understood where the nation was heading particularly right after the failed coup of the two brothers as in Mengistu and Girmame Neway in the 60s. Later on of course, Ras Emru’s liberal ideals saved the day when he was left unscathed when Dergue came to power and made his son Michael Emru Minister of Foreign Affairs. That and the rest as they say is of course history.

          • Abi

            Paul
            I’m sure you have read የኤርትራ ጉዳይ
            If not you are a genius. Don’t forget Aklilu Habtewold.
            Lost opportunities!

            Amde is busy in Addis helping Agazians with packing and shipping .

          • Paulos

            Selam Abisensation,

            Yes I read the book. Who wouldn’t? Still surprised though, it is not translated to Tigrinya or English for the new Eritrean generation.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Why you do this to me? You don’t like me anymore?
            Ok , I will take a risk here.
            The new generation of Eritreans are expected to read about nakfa, nadew,
            and many other literatures. Besides, you need to settle down to read a book like this one. You can’t run and read at the same time.

          • Amde

            Abiti,

            Amde’s position on Agazians is this:

            The YouTube phenomena is a new and extreme manifestation of a nowadays common ethnic nationalism. It is just one new and extreme form of an otherwise well known and longstanding Tigrai-Tgrigni. Its “current” problem is that there is an international border between its constituents, with the states this border separates being mutually hostile. So somewhat like the Kurds.

            This is why I find the AgAziyan hysteria rather ridiculous and overblown. Yes it poses a direct threat to the Eritrean narrative but it has a much older pedigree than the Eritrean independence project anyway. It is better to recognize it as part of the political landscape and bring it in. As far as I can tell, the worst it could do in a postPFDJ Eritrea would be to catalyse Eritrea into a de facto ethnic federation. Basically form North AgAziya. Honestly, I don’t know what Tigrinya speaking Eritreans will gain by that assuming PFDJ gets replaced by a somewhat normal government.

            The bigger project of making a Tigrinya exclusive/supermajority ethnic independent country is another matter. I am betting they will find “going” doesn’t really mean “gone” for them. But it is an experiment in shifting international borders around, which as we now know can be a success given the amount of blood available for the spilling.

            That is why Amde won’t help them pack. I will make the tea or find the booze so they can talk among themselves and with the rest of us. Envision shouldn’t be shy or defensive. We will be better off listening and debating the strain of thought he brings to the table.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            You are so generous to Agazians.
            This is how I see Agazians
            They are a manifestation of a defeated Tigrinya ( whatever they call themselves) Ego trying to ditch the rest of Eritreans when the going is tough.
            I seriously doubt if the Tigry people take them seriously.
            It is like holding two roosters in one hand.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha & Amde,

            Abi, Amde is being a gentle man, he is the PM remember, so you and I have to do the dirty work.

            AgAzianism will fail for one important reason and that is “lack of purpose.” It is mind boggling to see as well adjusted as envision is to advocate for them, but the fact remains that it is a gathering of disgruntled and paranoid bigots who lack responsibility for the people they claim to represent.
            Don’t worry on the Tigray side; but prepare for some fantastic jokes coming soon.

          • Amde

            Hi Abiti, Dottore Fantish

            Let’s see beyond Isayyas. In fact, I’d say let’s look 20 years down the line. Assuming we will have some kind of normalcy between Ethiopia and Eritrea, there will be significant sections of the Tigrinya speaking populations that will feel closer to their cousins across the border. Imagine the bonds of trade and culture across the Mereb. That is a fact. What do you do with that?

            The respective governments of Ethiopia and Eritrea might see these as
            a) threats to their own control and sovereignty;
            b) opportunities to influence/undermine the internal politics of each other;
            c) opportunities to form tighter bonds between the two;

            Envision’s posts are interesting. The way I understand him is, assume there was no Eritrean independence and all Tigrinya speakers were lumped together in one killil. With the right to secede. Honestly, it is straight EPRDF ethnic ideology minus the Eritrea side trip. I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong.

            Remember that one of the criticisms of TPLF and their position on Eritrea independence was that they supported it less out of principle and more out of a need to have an ethnically friendly neighbor they trust as their insurance policy, in case something happened and they had to invoke article 59. One of the interpretations one can give to the supposed EPLF advice to TPLF not to break up Ethiopia would be that EPLF wanted an ethnically close political player within Ethiopia that they can use to leverage internal Ethiopian politics.

            The easy part is to latch on to the rhetoric of the hate mongers and rightly condemn. The hard part is to figure out how to accommodate Tigray-Tigrigni politics within our respective systems. In any case, I can definitely see why Eritreans vested with the Ghedli and its outcome would be seriously worried. From the Ethiopian side, it is interestingly curious how this whole AgAziyan thing popped up at about the same time as Amhara extremist groups started mushrooming.

            Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Amde,
            I like about the idea of trying to see beyond Isayass. But, your big brain went too far and forced you to over-analyse.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, “…Ego trying to ditch the rest of Eritreans when the going is tough.”, in addtion to the disillusioned Eritrean Tigrinyas, a considerable part of the Tigray Tigrinyas are also finding the Ag’azian thing interesting. The Tigrayans in Ethiopia are feeling the heat from the other Ethnic groups, a good example being the chasing away of Tigriyan peoples from other parts of Ethiopia in the recent uprisings. I think if it were not for the enforcing of the state of emergency, Ethiopia would be in flames by now. I’m of the opinion that many Tigrayans are really terrified about their prospect of surving in Ethiopia proper in the event the TPLF loses controll of EPRDF.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            Sorry I didn’t see this gem earlier. You have put it beautifully. Excellent observation.
            It is all in the hands of EPRDF to bring peace democracy and dabo to all Ethiopians. Declaring state emergency is just temporary solution. Can’t continue cheating all people all the time.
            50 Tigrayan generals? Should be only 5. This shows you how ARROGANT they have become.
            “ጨው ለራስህ ብለህ ጣፍጥ አለበለዚያ ድንጋይ ብለው ይጥሉሀል”

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello AMdachin,

            “…to catalyse Eritrea into a de facto ethnic federation.”

            That is the one thing AgAzians will not do. They see Eritrean lowlanders in general, but Muslims in particular as Sudanese invaders. They are sicker than you think.

            It is true that they are capitalizing on the current confusion and hopelessness in Eritrea and the continuous targeting of “Weyane” followed by the recent Gondar debacle in Ethiopia, but it cannot grow beyond what it has gained thus far. Of course, to maximize their gain, leaders of AgAzians may tone down some of the ridiculous rhetoric they seem to be fond of, but it is a little too late. They have to keep on gambling on the number of haters and confused individuals they can recruit.

            What they may try from here forward is to create conditions for self fulfilling prophecies. For example, making sure negative events are exaggerated, frictions among groups are created or encouraged, Eritrean Muslims and Ethiopians are especially antagonized, and etc.

            The comical symbiosis with PFGJ is somewhat interesting. PFDJ benefits from the “Islamists” rhetoric and the potential isolation of Tigray from the rest of Ethiopia and AgAzians benefit with PFDJ chased Eritrean youth recruits. Notice how little PFDJ says about them and how AgAzians superficially gloss over PFDJ’s crimes.

            With or without Isaias, the two potentially decisive factors against AgAzians are: how strong the sense of unity among Eritreans is and whether Ethiopians have learned their lessons from the last 60 years of political mistakes. I am gambling on both positives.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Sorry for being absent.. a bit too (extremely) busy and will probably be so for another couple of months. Every once in a while I try to drop in and read comments.

            In any case, on this issue, I am with Horizon and I see it like this.

            War is bad, but perhaps if there is such a thing as “sustainable war”, then some could afford to live with its unpleasantness “indefinitely”, whereas some cannot. Ethiopia simply couldn’t. The question simply boils down to – if EPRDF adopted its current economic policies but with the Eritrean war still raging, would it have been successful? I am highly skeptical.

            EPRDF traded peace for Eritrean independence. This was the simple calculus that Meles stuck too, even during and after the Badme war when there was significant pressure on him to continue the war. And we roughly know it was one of those “necessary but not sufficient” conditions, because appreciable economic takeoff did not really start to be seen until AFTER the Badme chapter – with its internal EPRDF political realigment – was closed. This note from the African Development Bank i.e., “Ethiopia has experienced double-digit economic growth, averaging 10.8% since 2005, which has mainly been underpinned by public-sector-led development. Real gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have grown by 10.2% in fiscal year 2014/15.” confirms it in my view. “Public sector growth” points to significant state investment, which would simply be impossible in a war situation where the state has to make daily choices between laying railroad tracks or buying bombers. Mengistu literally said in one speech that what the government spends for war in one year is enough to lay railroad tracks north to south.

            One extension of this thought experiment is: Would meaningful economic growth have made a material change in the Eritrean public’s support for the insurgency? I don’t think the fundamental driver of the insurgency was economic fortunes, but in any case by then there was too much blood under the bridge so to speak, and too much momentum on the rebel side to see how it would have made a difference.

            This is one of the drivers behind the significant Ethiopian public sentiment to “keep Eritrea away”. People (especially those that were adults during the Derg years) broadly accept current Ethiopian economic conditions are a kind of “peace dividend”. There is no other comparable internal political issue that has been such a drain on Ethiopia’s people, economy and future. As you pointed out, theoretically Ethiopia was supposed to be a powderkeg of innumerable and irreconcilable political crises (Oromo, Ogaden, etc…) But what has transpired is that once the Eritrea chapter was closed, the others have turned out to be “manageable” problems however ugly or distasteful they may get.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Amdachin
            You remember the phrase
            “ወልዶ ለዘመቻ፣ ሰርቶ ለመዋጮ”

          • Dear Abi,

            Even the derg, ugly as it was, tried to implement government controlled commercial farming. If you remember, at one stage, it was a common sight to see thousands of tractors and combine harvesters parading on tv. Most of them went to government owned farms. Some of these farms were taken from the previous government, private and government owned. Unfortunately, few years later, most of these farms and farming machineries were rotting due to sabotage, shortage of cash for maintenance as most of the money was going to the war front to buy ammunitions and to feed the many thousands of soldiers. Finally, the derg was fighting on all directions to save its sorry self, let alone think of any economic development anymore.
            Ethiopia was bleeding on all fronts. Airplanes were hijacked and destroyed, factories were sabotaged and the economy was not functioning, of course due to wrong policy as well, but much more due to the absence of peace. The most difficult war front was the one that was fought in the center of ethiopia, in cities and villages, and not at the fronts. Unfortunately, the derg was not ousted before it incurred a lot of damage on both countries.
            When both fronts reached addis and asmara, the world was talking of a thousand years of peace between ethiopia and asmara. Nevertheless, it did not take even a decade before the most destructive war was fought between the two countries, and eritrea still cannot put its economy on a working foundation, almost two decades after, mainly due to the effect of the war and of course due to the wrong policy as well.
            Therefore, war is a curse, and peace is the most important item for a society’s social and economic well being. Syria had a reasonably good economy and Yemen, although not rich, did not suffer from famine. Look where the two countries are today due to war. Their economy is completely destroyed and their people scattered all over the world.

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            I totally agree.
            The two countries still can live in peace until Jesus comes back. All they need stay away from each other ( just kidding).
            What caused the last war was Eritreans did not know the difference between cooperating and looting. Don’t get me started with their arrogance. Did you know that they were armed?
            I hope the future governments will do a little bit better . It doesn’t take much to restore peace and cooperation based on clearly defined laws and regulations. Is is not difficult to follow internationally set standards and start cooperating slowly for the benefit of both people. ( more dabo, more Ambasha)
            What would happen to the oppositions?
            They should be able to oppose their respective governments right from both capitals.
            The future should be a little bit brighter.

        • tes

          Selam Dis Donc,

          Though I am not good to discuss with people who are constrained with time and I am sensing the changes in tones of the one that I know before as Dis Donc, all I can say is, you shouldn’t get disappointed.

          I hope you will have enough time to discuss in detail.

          tes

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Dawit,

    Welcome back. I don’t have a problem to invoke Eritrean heroism when needed. I don’t see any need of it in respond to few bigoted individuals, especially when our focus are needed for the current struggle. If men of your caliber engage them directly or indirectly, as you did in your article, we are just giving them a platform to continue to play on the fault lines of our society. However we need you to come with your powerful pen on different issues pertinent to the current struggle.

    Regards

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Aman, I disagree; any effort that seeks to pit Eritreans against each other based on ethnic, religious, and regional agendas should be dealt with head on and without reservation. Any talk about human rights, democracy, etc. becomes meaningless unless we are able to live peacefully side by side as we have done throughout the history of Eritrea.

      • Dawit Mesfin

        Selam Amanuel and Abraham,
        Thank you for your input.
        To ignore or not to ignore the detractors. We have neglected our history so much we are sailing like a rudderless ship. Opportunists have taken advantage of this lull and are fabricting their own version of history. If such lies are repeated again and again then they will turn into ‘convenient truths’. We are not giving them the stage they have appropriated it already. We need to recalim our history.
        Dawit

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dawitom,

          I tend to agree with our friend Saleh Younis’s response, if you refer to his comment to Nitric, in which along his way, gave his critic to your piece in two accounts. Indeed we always invoke our martyrs in every meeting , every debate, and every writings, which sometime sound as if we are praying for their resurrection to redeem us again from another killing regime. Our young generation are taught day in day out about our war history only, as if that by itself will bring peace and prosperity to them and to the coming generation. We didn’t give them the foundation how to govern themselves equitably and constitutionally. In other words my generation which is your generation are failed to pass the torch to them peacefully. We are hijacked is not a good excuse for these young generation. Because the conduct of the despot was known way back during our ghedli era. So generally our assessments about our realities and our failure is not yet accurate. Until we make sober and accurate assessments, we can not be united and find the right solutions to our predicament. Invoking Nakfa or our martyrs will not be a solution by itself. We have to start from clean slate for a renewed journey.

          Regards

          • MS

            Selam Emma

            To my recollection no one from the opposition said IA was an angel. Therefore repeating the obvious is not helpful. You like to bring Aklilu Zere’s article as an exhibit to underline how early the “acute observer” discovered IA ‘s dictatorial tendencies (is it 1976?). I do respect Aklilu and this is by no means, commenting on him. I think you are undermining Aklilu experience and observation capacity, because, I’m sure he discovered those tendencies much earlier. I think what Aklilu’s article signifies is the full fledged birth of the despot, with his full set of teeth, beard and that mischievous smile:) By 1976, IA had already finished the fate of the people who had discovered IA’s dictatorial tendencies in 1973. By the time the meeting Aklilu participated in took place, the fate of another batch of “acute observers ” was about to be closed (Yemin movement). So, no, you are just wrong to say that IA had not been discovered by other “acute observers”, VERY WRONG. Then why did people joined him, why did they stayed with him? Well, there are many theories that can explain that. Why did Russians followed Stalin? Why did Ethiopians Followed Mengistu? There are simple explanations why people follow leaders who turn monsters. EPLF members also have their explanations. But that is not the pressing issue right now. The pressing issue is: what is to be done. Do you have any idea?
            Previous unanswered question: What different would you do to motivate the young generation in order to rise and dismantle PFDJ regime?
            New question: What exactly do you mean by “We have to start from clean slate for a renewed journey.”
            Kab blbi zfetweka ArkKa wedi Saleh

          • Abi

            Selam Wedi Saleh from Sahil
            I don’t want to find myself between two giants here but I have a question to Ato Amanual.
            How does he reconcile the armed struggle he is promoting with this “clean slate for a renewed journey “?
            Is he dropping the former? Thanks for asking on my behalf.

          • MS

            Hi abi
            No, Emma won’t do that. yemaytaseb negher new, beTeqlala. An urban organizer will transform himself into a guerilla fighter, and will always be a fighter thereafter. Emma, joke is intended, please, don’t spoil your Saturday. Anyway, I’m waiting for him to explain it to us, but I think he want to launch an alliance of the re-liberation of Nakfa, of course, led by the great Gual Adem. And I will sing, fiklmawit ade nay moral naay tesfa, BoKri Abbay Sahel NaQfa wey NaQfa….

          • Abi

            Hi Vet
            I thought Ato Amanual is preparing his army for liberating Nakfa mindset. It is more challenging than liberating nakfa itself.
            “ሞኝ የተከለውን ልባም አይነቅለውም”
            The Queen is saying nakfa is sitting on the people instead of the people sitting on nakfa.
            I can’t breathe!!!!!!

            How are the boys? Mine are doing tremendous!!!

          • MS

            Selam abi
            The children are doing fine. You know it is the time of the year when one looks for vacation. Do you have an idea of a sunny place where Injera and coffee is in abundance, where the security is so good that you say hello to a military personnel in every angle, where a huge sea is build in between ridges, where you know what I mean.

          • Abi

            Hi Vet
            Glad to hear the children are doing fine. I can imagine their discipline and habits of hard work.

            I think the Ethiopian Seashores should be ideal for family vacation. Clear skies, great food, excellent beer ( coffee? Really?), camel milk (የሰይጣን ጆሮ አይስማ), legendary hospitality… Perfect destination !!!
            Welcome to Ethiopia!

            Talking of a
            seashore, my First Lady never stops talking about Massawa. One day I meet you there. Can’t wait to takeover. Back to the rightful owners.

          • MS

            Hi abi
            hospitality is guaranteed. Haha….I think the rightful owners of talaqu EtioPia Massawawoch nachew. Haven’t you read Ghehteb’s article on Adulis, the Erythraen center of civilization? OK, that much about bragging. Two songs: the first one is what gashe abi used to sing before getting a final “welcome” from his Ertrawit First Lady. The second song will be what abi will sing along the beaches of Gorgusum.
            https://disqus.com/home/inbox/
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsrQ0kmMNzs

          • Abi

            Hi Vet
            I did not read Ghetab’s article. I’m having difficulty understanding English why suffer to read Latingna.
            You sent me only the second song. It is a beautiful and ” quiet” city. No worries. We will give it life.
            This is what I used to sing to the First Lady
            “ለሱስ እኮ አይደለም አንቺን ያስወደደኝ
            ይህን አመዛዝኖ ልቦናሽ ቢፈርደኝ”
            (Tilahun Gessesse)
            The music about massawa has a beautiful instrumental version. I believe it was played by Waliyas band. I don’t expect you to know this since you were busy either herding goats and camels or liberating mountains.
            እባቡ አቢ was busy chasing Eritrean Beauty.
            Abi 3
            Vet 0

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Few clarifications before I get back to you later today or tomorrow (my busy day) to answer your question. (a) The acute observer Aklilu did explain that he learn the birth of the despot from that historical meeting of 1976 and understood it as the turning point of ELF-PF (hizbawihailetat) of that time, as an organization in particular and the Eritrean revolution in general. That was his explanation in his article. I am not undermining Aklilu’s capacity rather I am admiring his realistic acute observation. In fact, if I try to say beyond what he said in his piece will undermine the message he intend to convey. So my comment is within the content of his article (b) I haven’ seen anyone to explain the birth of the despot the way he explained it, as in his case the 1976 meeting, or way before it as you try to allude it, so far (c) if you believe the birth of the despot happened as Aklilu explained it during our Ghedli, then why do we claim that the goal of our revolution is hijacked when we set our feet victorious in the city when in fact was hijacked long before. The goal of our revolution was hijacked long before we become victorious against the Derg army.

            Regards

          • Nitricc

            Greetings Mahmuday: reading, hearing and observing about the history and gedli of Eritrea, I am convinced it needed Isaias’s style of leadership to succeed and it did. Observing the current oppositions, that is what exactly they lacked, PIA style of strong and unforgiving leadership. So, when people I hear PIA killed many fighters and jailed many more …. I just shake my head and say what do you expect? I think the struggle needed and demanded that kind of action. The very reason the so-called oppositions are where they are is because they never met the demand and the brutality of the struggle that is required to succeed.

          • Abi

            Hi General Nitricc
            Are you suggesting the current opposition leaders start jailing and killing? Extremely brilliant from a toothless militia wetader.

          • MS

            Ahlan Nitrickay;
            I get the point and believe me many people reasoned out that way. For one, people’s awareness of individual and collective rights was somewhat low compared to our today’s understanding of the those values. We came from the Eritrean society. Well, some people undergo reevaluation. They try to define or understand 60s, 70s through today’s standards. Americans understanding of racial issues in the 60s was totally different than it is today. So, it is not a crime that tegadalay and Gabbar used the quintessential wisdom of me’enti mogog tHlef enchewa (let the mouse pass let crash the clay oven- in trying to whack it). Therefore, the sense in the air was “Gobez’do ywaze Adu keyHaze”. My main complaint starts on your wedi-Afom as of 1991. Emma says “clean slate”, and the clean slate should have started in 1991. If Wedi-Afom acted a statesman, if he did what he promised of democracy and tolerance, of robust mixed economy, of prudent foreign policy, of lean and efficient governmet of the people by the people for the people…if he moved to unify the nation instead of declaring his “Hashewye” policy, or if he died in 1993 because of the malaria, I think he would have been forgiven. He did not do all the above, God was not merciful to us and him, therefore, he did not take him in 1993. By all standards, social, political, economic, security, the country is worse off than it was in 1993. IA shoulders the responsibility. My question to you is: OK, if you thought IA dictatorship was needed during the struggle, was it needed after independence? Is it now needed? Is it going to be needed in the future? What happens if IA dies? You know no one beats nature’s (or God’s) preprogrammed limit of terms in our lives; he will soon depart this world. This should worry the admirers of IA more than it worries the people who want to see his departure, because you want him to leave a country where his legacy is cemented in the hearts of his fellow citizens. I wait for your invaluable Harbegna reply.

      • tes

        Selam Abraham,

        Which one is a preecondition: human rights or unity? You seem a fun of ‘mejemerta hager thalu’

        tes

        • Abraham H.

          Selam tes, the ideology of the new Aga’azian madness plans to enforce a hegemony of the Tigray-Tgrini on the rest of the Eritrean and Ethiopian ethnic groups. This is an outright declaration of war that threatens to undo the centruries old peace and tolerance among our peoples. And, yes, without this basic background peace, which most of us have considered for granted until the advent of such fascist groupings, we cannot speak of a working democracy, or the respect of all human rights.

          • Dear Abraham H.
            If one connects the dots, Tigrinization of eritrea – Tigray/Tigrini nation – an Agazian nation, all lead to the PFDJ. It is losing its support base due to the exodus of the young, and it has realized that it cannot sustain itself for long, unless it finds some sort of support from somewhere else, the tigrigna speaking people south of the mereb in this case. It shows that they are ready to make a Faustian contract so that they are able to remain in power, because as time passes sustaining their rule for long will be a difficult job. It seems that the whole edifice may come crushing upon them, if they do not do something today. Nevertheless, it is not going to work.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Horizon, yes, it is actually surprising not a peep is heard against this potentially explosive Ag’azian phenomenon from the PFDJ; neither from their bastion inside Eritrea nor from those who support them from the diasporas.

          • Abi

            Selam Horizon
            What I’m really worried about is in the formation of this Tigry Tigrign Ethiopia is going to lose some 50 generals and some important ministerial positions.
            I think the Eritrean Affluenza is coming down South. It is a self destructing disease.
            Why are you worried?
            “ለመንገደኛ ሰው አይሰጡም ስንቁን
            እየበላው ይሂድ አንጀት አንጀቱን”
            Do you like Kuku Sebabe?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha,
            Ayi, anten bilo poletikegna. You are playing right into their hands. They are a laughing stock in Tigray, and here you are supplying a push factor. YeweTeTe neger.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            እንደ ገጣጣ እያለቀስኩ ልንገርህ?
            I was asking Vet Mahmud if he is really talking them seriously. I don’t. I was just mocking them. You know I’m serious when I’m angry 😳
            ሁለት ግራ እግሮች!

          • MS

            Selam AbrahamH
            I do strongly agree with you. The individuals who are stoking the fire behind that Grand-Thief can’t really master the courage and confidence to stand in a Tigrigna-alone congregation and speak openly about the filthy stuff they are throwing up because we know the values of our Tigrigna community, be it Tigryans or Eritreans. Their movement does not move out of cyber talks and meetings of like-mined individuals. Both Tigrignas are proud in their skins. Therefore, I’m not concerned about their political agenda. What we need to watch and hammer really hard is the point you are making. At the end of the day, these individuals are a threat to both people (Eritrea and Ethiopia) and to humanity.

          • envision

            Hi Mahmud,
            “Both Tigrignas are proud in their skins.” Yes they are and that is why they want to be themselves and together. They do not want to be Arabs nor Amharas.They are aware of who they are, the sole owners of a civilisation that had no parallel in Africa, and one of four in the world. You see Mahmud, we are seeking our league again. We belong in the pantheons of great people, history makers and trail-blazers. It is beneath us to endlessly talk about how to be others, or be prisoners of religious and sectarian dogmas, or be prisoners of dead spirits. By the way, if I were you I would not come to display my absurd life in public: liberate a country only to run away from it, and preach about it from afar! Do you see that you are an embodiment of absurdity?

          • MS

            Selam Envision
            Biniam, mizan, lamek, and now envision= Garbage. I know what I’m talking about. Like it or not, Tigrigna is also part of me. Now, go emni gahxex

          • Abi

            Hi Vet
            Gehrelibu, Mizan1, Volta Force, Ermiyas…
            Why don’t you just let him form his dream land? You are on his way.
            Can’t wait to help him pack from my side. Meet me at the border. I need a responsible person to receive the precious delivery. Just like the Bible times they are easily identifiable.
            ግምባራቸው ላይ ምልክት አላቸው
            Vet, do you really take them seriously?

          • MS

            Selam Abi
            Nope, I actually don’t speak to them directly. Because as the saying goes, if you choose to wallow with the pigs, you better be ready to get dirty. I just make them as a vehicle to communicate with my compatriots. And believe me, I have no concern about their politics. I know both peoples; and these riffraff elements can not represent them. May be they will help us see the best aspect of both peoples, may be they will serve as a wake up call for the enlightened to denounce wars and to be able to move towards peaceful management of conflicts. May be both of us will be able to cross the Mereb River without having to produce passports, just like the relation that both countries have with Sudan…and may be better. May be.

          • Abi

            Hi Vet
            “ከፍቅርም አጉል ነው የመንገደኛ ሰው
            እንደተጀመረ ቀረ ሳልጨርሰው”
            Kuku is so good.
            Vet, there is no may be. It must be. We have to mature and see things beyond our noses. For that to happen those people with high MileAge should cut their reminiscing their madness.
            Time for engine overhaul. Not oil change.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abi: it is Volta-Face; which was coined by SAAY to Mizan, Ermias, …. well I lost count lol.

          • Abi

            Hi General
            You know it is Ato Amanuel Hidrat who gave him the nick ” mizan “? He thought he was balanced. Hahahaha.
            It is Volta Force. I used to call him Very Funny. VF

          • saay7

            Hey Nitrric:

            No, sir, I did no such thing What’s happening with awatistas with the photographic memory? First Abi confuses me with SGJ and now you?

            If you want to give me credit for something I did say, it’s this: when YG began his relentless bombardment of Ghedli, I warned that “Ghedli romanticizing” would be replaced by “Habesha romanticizing.” Little did I know it would go even further to a smaller sect of Habesha. So now we have people who say what happened in the last 50 years is too romanticized but what happened centuries ago is precise.

            There is a lot of dejavu in this for me: in the 1990s, some Eritrean Muslims who were disenchanted with how Eritrea was turning out to be sought refuge in some other romantic era for them: 7th – 16th century Islam. You could not talk any sense to those guys: u still cant. What both have in common is total disenchantment with the dividend of the generations of sacrifice: the Stare of Eritrea.

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY; I think you are starting to forget things or I am getting worst hahahaha. Anyway, I thought you coined that word while we were discussing how back then Mizan keeps changing names while keeping the same face. And I though you mentioned “Volt-Fasha”? I think you said it was in Italian language and Mizan said, “from now on I will stick with Volta Fasha” then few days latter he changed it in to VF, After that who is counting; but I could be wrong.

            Regarding the Agazians; well in every society there are some sick people and this Agazi thing is just an idea of few sick people. It is 2017 and who will think what they are thinking? Although; I really believed that if it wasn’t for the war between Weyane and Eritrea; there is no doubt in my mind that the idea of the Agazi would have materialized. They were too close, too strong and too of the same.

            But now, NO! this Agazi thing is generating steam and talked about by the Tigryans because of what is happening in Ethiopia. The Tigryans are scared and worried about their future. They know what the Amhara thinks of them, they know what the Oromo thinks of them and they know what kind of economic crimes they have committed against the people of Ethiopia and they need an allay and that were Eritrea and Eritreans come so does the idea of Agazi thing.I can understand in 1990 about “some Eritrean Muslims who were disenchanted with how Eritrea was turning out to be sought refuge in some other romantic era for them: 7th – 16th century Islam.”
            Because that was over a quarter of a century ago. That is a long time SAAY. Think what has happened since the 1990’s but here 2017 when people come with this Agazi thing; I don’t think I can understand it. So, I just let them scream till they fall like a tree in a forest.

          • iSem

            Hi Nitricc:
            No Saay did not coing VF, you are confusing this: Mizaan was gerhi libu (GL)and Emma told him no you are not gerhi libu and to which GL replied what am I then, choose me a name and I will use it, Emma said,you strike me as “Mizaan”, and he took it and he occasionally had issues with it and he changed it to VF

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere: can you tell me how Ermias went from Mizan to VF? I agree, Aman recommended from GL to go to Mizan but you are lacking to explain how Mizan went to VF. Trust me that was the works of the great SAAY. however; you are right Aman-H was the one who converted this bigot to mizan.

          • saay7

            Niiccay:

            Put down the shovel and walk slowly away:

            Hi MIzan, this time you picked the right nick lol
            “In the context of politics a volte-face is, in modern English, often referred to as a U-turn or a flip-flop in the UK and the US respectively”

            That was Nitricc writing Mizan after he changed his name to Volte-face,

            http://awate.com/september-1-double-awate-day/comment-page-1/#comment-182680

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY: well, sir, in that case, I was wrong, my bad and i stand corrected.

          • saay7

            Nitriccay:

            It’s all good; we all do it. We are all fallible, even Abi. Special Abi.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Saay,
            That was more than funny. Let me play with it a bit.
            _____
            Sem: there is a lost baby here.
            Nitricc: i remember the parent of that baby. that baby is Saay’s.
            Saay: nope. it is not mine at all. mine is thi looks different. and please don’t give what is not mine.
            ….after two days…
            Nitricc: that baby we first talked about was indeed Saay’s. (This was a stuborn claim made for the 2nd time despite rejection from saay)
            Saay pulled a joker and told Nitricc what he needed to hear, “the baby you said i am a parent of and i told i was not, and you came back again and attributed that baby to me despite my disagreement IS IN FACT YOUR OWN BABY. and here is the DNA evidence.”
            Nitricc had nothing to say afterwards except to sheepishly say ” my bad!” and moved quickly to disappear into the crowd. we may not hear from him for a while. Mistaking own baby for others is a real problem and sickness and the treatment takes a while.

          • Nitricc

            Hayat, the dedebit one, stay out between me and SAAY. loser. i have no problem to say i am wrong, or was I? Stupid.

          • Hayat Adem

            Nitricc, Nitricc
            You are calling me stupid but you have a bad habit of giving your own babies to others. We’ll bring a DNA evidence to prove to you that “stupid” is also your other baby trying to give it me. And then all will be well.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat Adem,
            .
            I don’t know why but I enjoyed and laughed out embarrassingly loud and I couldn’t adequately explain why it tickled me so much. That was fun.
            .
            I want to put the above humor aside and pose a couple of questions to keep my bearings more or less in line. “Agaziness”
            .
            This topic was discussed and I read part of it but I was not able to follow or understand it. I haven’t followed any of it anywhere else either.
            Now the topic being discussed for lack of a better term, Mekele and Asmara Tigrawian, past and future relationships. Setting insults and put downs aside, what are they saying?
            .
            Question: What is being advanced and advocated by the group favoring “agaziness.” ?
            : Are the advocates and supporters on both sides of the border.?
            .
            My own feeling on the subject is that no matter what the non-Agazians think, in the long term the mutual empathy of these people on both sides of the border is natural and literally part of their DNA. It is not all that bad, the sooner the better. We all need to adjust and live with it.
            A couple of years ago I posted a provocative statement in the middle of a couple of Awatistas of Mekele and Asmara persuasion insulting each other. I stated that in the future when Mekele and Asmara kiss and make up, the lowlanders of Eritrea and the Amharas would unite in opposition to that event. It was not well received.
            .
            I hope to read your response to the extent you understand it.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • saay7

            Hey Nitrric:

            Well my friend Nitrric. Remember: the disenchanted Muslims from the 1990s never came back. They gave birth to children who are more estranged from Eritrea than their parents.

            On the Agazian, I have tried to be silent only because the Eritrean Diaspora is prone to embracing new sensations who fizzle quickly. If they are a sustainable movement then I will have something to say. One thing I strongly disagree with Dawit Mesfin (welcome back Dawit) is that this is the outcome of the Ghedli Generatjon failing to educate the new generation on the sacrifices paid to liberate Eritrea. This is wrong on two counts: (1) the entire official Eritrean calendar is nothing but a reminder of Eritreas sacrifices Fenkel Day, Independence Day, Martyrs Day, Bologna Day, Meskerem 1 Day. The whole calendar is about what it took to make Eritrea independent and the religious holidays (Eid, Ldet, fasika meskel mewlid al nebi) have no religious messages: they are reminders of how both have obligations to contribute to martyrs orphans. (2) the vocal spokespersons of Agazian are EPLF veterans and people who lost family members to Ghedli and they don’t need lectures of what was paid to make Eritrea a reality. Aytwerazeyulna is their message. (If they were not too foaming mad to articulate it)

            Ah but I am tipping my hand. Remember the fourth message of awate.com is reconcile. Inform inspire embolden reconcile. Eritrea is looking for the great reconciler. Unfortunately the Agazian guys hate awate so I am not offering my services.

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            መስከረም 1 ኤርትራ ከእናት አገሯ የተቀላቀለችበት ቀን ::
            ወይ ጊዜ!

          • saay7

            Hey Abi:

            Happy Friday. Well, about that, if you go type “September 1” on Wikipedia you will find Eritrea’s launch of armed struggle but no mention of His Majesty. Therefore:

            ዕድመ ደጉ
            መሰንበት
            ክፉ ደጉን ያየንበት

            ይላል ያገርህ ሰው😂

            Life is cyclical my friend. Or, as the TIme magazine cover with a picture of Trump once told us, “deal with it!”

            saay

          • Abi

            Very Saaytanish
            May be the Wikipedia was intentionally altered by a person who doesn’t like the Greatest Majesty who ever ruled Eritrea.
            ጊዜ ከመስታወት እንደምን ይለያል
            እንኳን የሰው ፊቱን ጀርባውን ያሳያል
            (Tewodros Taddesse)

          • saay7

            Abiytowai Ras abi:

            የምን ለቅሶ
            የምን ዋይታ
            ችግር ባዘን አይፈታ

            ተፈትኘ ለለፍበት
            ምን ይጠቅማል መበሳጨት

            (Zeritu Kebede)

            saay

          • Abi

            Haha Saay
            You are making me sing
            ለሁሉም መሰንበት ዋናው ነገር ጤና
            ክፉ ደጉን ለየን ጊዜ አገኘንና
            (Tewodros Taddesse)

          • sara

            Ato Abi
            Since you brought eritrean calander, yesterday was March 17 …remembered by eritreans as the day….demise of Nadew command….
            Just..to update you

          • Abi

            Sariti
            Congratulations!!!
            Give me some more memorable days that you celebrate. I prefer those days like the opening of an accredited university or the expansion of Eritrean Airline or something other than related to demolition of something.
            You are in luck sariti I found one for you just put the date next to it.
            How about the date you erected the statue of Pushkin.
            You know sariti , yesterday while you were celebrating the demolition of nadew command hundreds of your people registered at Ethiopian refugee camps. How do you reconcile the two events? Do you think they care about nadew? They left nadew behind them.
            Just a coffee talk.

          • Dawit Mesfin

            SelamSal Younis,
            Sorry for not replying in time for I did not see your message. I hope all is well.

            Sal, your criticism is spot on. The government, which acts as if it is the ‘the owner of our history’, continues to celebrate past events … as if that very past does not belong to all of us. For instance the PFDJ thinks we came from Mars. I resent that. Would you say that those who resent the government have come to resent parts of our history?

            Certainly, history can be forgotten, distorted, embellished, shelved upon instruction. It can also be ‘nationalised’. It is common occurrence that in order to push certain memories out of public consciousness victors can create a stage either to record their own version of history, or push others out as if it is none of their business. In other words, appropriate our common history ‘nHalalom’. That is done in such a way to de-patrioticise us, if there is such a word. The regime uses history agains us, and most of all against those who made that history but chose to take a position critical of the regime. Ogbe Abraha, for instance, was disowned of his own history (for domolishing the WiQaw Izz).

            We know the modern history of Eritrea is greatly influenced by the history of its armed struggle as many combatants are still alive and still remain engrossed in the backwoods of the past. I can go out of line by saying that the majority of post-victory generation are stuck with a view that is shaped by the armed struggle’s glorious but limiting old narratives that are enmeshed in appeasing the current leader’s position. Limiting? Written with caution.

            Have we, the older generation, done enough to inform our youth (here abroad, for instance) of how we view the past? I doubt it.
            I hope I will write some more some other time.
            Regards,
            Dawit

          • saay7

            Selamat Dawit:

            I think we have a disconnect here. Let me make some assumptions first so we can test out the varying hypothesis: actually it is only one assumption:

            That when we are talking about the post-Ghedli-generation, we are talking about Eritrean youth who were (a) very young when Eritrea became independent or (b) born after Eritreas independence.

            If that is the group we are talking about, I dare say they have heard the Nakfa story sgab gigiE zblom. They heard it from their fathers, uncles and aunts and older brothers and sisters; they see it on TB every day; they learn it at school. Like I said, all Eritreas holidays are celebration of Nakfa: even September 1 barely mentions Mt Adal and quickly pivots to Nakfa.

            What made the youth rebel against Nakfa is when they learned that the values it taught–about valor, volunteerism, comradeer, e.g. –are not timeless: they applied to a specific place and a specific time against a specific enemy. They saw this when their parents couldn’t even stand up for their own rights, they couldn’t stand up for the rights of their children. They witnessddnit when they saw the Nakfa Boys and Girls had a public face (the one they show the govt) and a private face (the one they show trusted friends and family.) They saw it in the daily brutalities and casual violence. The only case I can compare it to the post-Revolution generation of Algeria who were so disgusted with the revolutionaries (“land of a million martyrs!”) that they attacked their graveyards.

            So no it’s not that they don’t know about Nakfa; it is that, in their view, Nakfa taught no enduring values other than what Dan Connell called “casual violence”. That’s what the youth are rebelling (running away) against.

            saay

            saay

          • Dawit Mesfin

            Selam Saleh,

            Thank you for the incisive comment.
            You are right, there is a disconnect in our discussion. The original intent of the Nakfa story is not geared towards the young. My previous article, ‘The Lost Generation’, was. So some readers are making a connection between the two. I did not mind of the connection; and that is why I proceeded to reply to some comments from that perspective. I do not want to see our youth associate Nakfa with the brutal regime in Asmara.

            When I observe the fragmentation of facts, incoherent narratives with too much focus on particularites (agazianism, for instance) rather than the Ghedli event as a whole, then I remind myself of the importance of staying the course – what really transpired in Nakfa. Eric Foner’s book, ‘Who Owns History’, helps me a great deal regarding such matters.

            Governments such as ours appropriate history. I usually read that kind of version of our history in Hadas Eritra, Eritrea Profile … that is when I catch myself checking the real history behind the words and events. I guess it is within that context I kind of mentioned the Ogbe Abraha component.
            Thank you for your input.
            Dawit

          • Nitricc

            Hey SAAY; I tend to agree with your take and definitely national military service will be mandatory to ALL Eritreans. few years back there was a Korean baseball player who played for the Cleveland Indians. He had to discontinue his playing professional baseball to go to South Korea to do his national military service. So, i get your point and it will be done, point well taken. However; what is problem with today’s mindset, the idea of instant gratifications. once i was listening to this Eritrean professor and he was talking to the ambassador of Chinese in Asmara and he was telling him the problem in Eritrea that whom ever they sent to get higher education but most of them never return to Eritrea. The Ambassador shot back by telling him his experience in China. The chinese ambassador told him once they sent 5000 chanise to higher education abroad and none of them came back and they were terrified to tell the leader of China at the time about the situation. they collect their strength and they told him finally. The leader said, none of them came back? NO.
            don’t worry send 50000 more and one day they will come back to rebuild china. they kept sending and look where china is today. the moral of the story is, the value of the gedli and the value of Nakfa is not lost, perhaps postponed but never lost. it is in every Eritrean DAN and Every one who left or didn’t came back home, one day will come and we are going to rebuild Eritrea. I really believe that, besides, the future is in Africa, more specifically in Eritrea.

          • saay7

            Hi Nitricc:

            I know of the report you are talking about: it was a presentation by Professor Tadesse Mehari, executive director of National Board for Higher Education. It is a production of Eritrean Embassy Media who should actually take over the entire stale Eritrean state media: it is a decent* production company.

            https://youtu.be/3OozHaddU7A

            On National Service, I want you to pursue the facts and see where it takes you. Right now, despite the fact that National Service (according to proclamation) is supposed to be run by an independent board, the outcome is:

            1. Those who are connected to the powerful get choice (easy) assignments;
            2. Those who have no connection to the powerful get back-breaking, remote, manual labor assignments;
            3. Those of you in the Diaspora to whom the law applies (over 18 year old Eritrean, and the definition of “Eritrean” is anyone who was born in Eritrea or ONE of his/her parents are Eritreans) are completely exempted from any service, despite the fact that the law does not exempt you.

            Where the facts lead me is that the system is thoroughly corrupt, and those of you who support the system unconditionally are benefiting from the corruption. What do you think would happen if the children of Sophia, Gideon, Semere T, Cuz Gheteb were required to do indefinite national service? Exactly.

            saay

            * by “decent” I mean its version of propaganda is not as painful as EriTV.

          • MS

            Ahlan SAAY, and Nitrickay
            ” When u give no room for mainstream dissenting opinion you empower the radicals. Politics 101.” SAAY THE GERATISTA. A hulugheb Hateta, as usual, is waiting to be released.

          • tes

            Selam envision,

            Unless you are a fascist, today thes Tigrigna speaking people, you can call them Agazians, no problem with that, are living in Eritrea and Ethiopia. Both these countries are sovereign country. You can not slice certain part from both countries, chase away or kill other people from their native land simply because they are not Tigrigna speakers, is absurd and anti-human rights to live peacefully project.

            If you don’t want to be called Tigrigna people, you can change it into Agazian – in fact I like this term, as it has more meaning – I wish you heard Muluberhan Tekesete, a much rational advocator of Agaiazian Culture and history. Unlike Tesfazion, Muluberhan is not advocating for any thing negative but preserving rights of Agaiazian people.

            tes

          • tes

            Selam Abraham H.,

            I think we are forgetting our history. In the 1940s and 50s political debate, the driving force that favors Unions aspiration was:

            1. Either believing Eritrea was part of greater Ethiopia – because of religious and historical affiliation OR
            2. The Highland people – mainly Tigrigna speakers were claiming their rights to stay attached with their Tigrain brothers – hence Tigrai -Tigrigni.

            Those who debated based on colonized countries rights to full independence became stronger and stronger with time. Ethiopia couldn’t see this to happen and openly annexed Eritrea in 1962. One year before, in 1961, an armed struggle was already started. And the annexation was only temporal.

            Now, Eritrea is Eritrea. It has gone through the Tigrai -Tigrigni threats. Hence I don’t see any tanigble threats of undoing Eritrea.

            The principle why I strongly reject Agazian Movement is not because it endangers Eritrean existence but its ideology is Anti-humanity.

            I wouldn’t argue with Agazians had it respected human existence. They could have a political ideology that could respect humanity and then also respect people’s choice.

            In fact, my central argument is titled:

            If you want to defeat Agazians, love humanity

            Other arguments – like Nation First

            First a nation must be exist

            One people, one Heart, etc., etc, will only increase the gap between humanity and identity.

            tes

  • Dawit Mesfin

    Your account is so moving! We failed our young … we should have told them this story (what you narrated) long ago. Thank you

  • MS

    Dear Dawit
    Great article. I enjoyed reading it. A major comment spiced up with chew (the only spice tegadelti found available without interruptions” is frozen or rather pending on disqus (and I’m growing impatient with disqus), This is to thank you for the article and to appreciate you for the way you gave things their proper place within the political trail of the past decades.
    Regards.

  • envision

    Hi Dawit,
    If our struggle was to make us prisoners of its artifacts, we reject it. If our struggle was for freedom, for opportunities, and for a brighter future, it should never stand in the way of our choices today. I believe our struggle was for freedom, for us to be able to decide our destiny and our future. Besides, the emotional attachment you are trying to get across is not fully transferable and so do not count on that.

    • iSem

      Hi envision:
      Daiwit,long time ago started to write about the Eritrean struggle that was TRULY for justice, that was nipped in the bud.

      It has been long time, but I can remember that he started to write about ELF, apolgically, I felt then that he understood the web of lies that EPLF under Isaias has woven, but suddenly he continued neither “SAY IT” nor his journey of finding the truth. I am invoking ELF here because as far as I can remember Dawit misundestood ELF as sub national org as told by PFDJ, it seemed to me that he discovered then that ELF was not worse than EPLF.
      As you said, the emotional spot he is trying to awaken by invoking the battle of Nakfa is romanticing it and the forces that were at work in earnest (the forces of IA as he call them, did not starte after independence, it has started when IA split and the Nakfa may have cemented those forces, when IA and departed Ali Saed Abdella sent the cream of the org to their deaths needlessly as told by T. Temnewo, Yemane T and others reveal.
      Paying tribute to the fallen and romatizing the batttke are two different things.
      So, a struggle that was justice does not keep you hostage, blaming it to forces of IA after independence is convenient

      • envision

        Hi Semere,
        I do not know Dawit’s previous writings. But I see your point. I have a strong aversion to the invocation Ghedli to stifle free thought and keep th youth hostage. In my view, if Ghedli has turned out to be such a stifling and suffocating force, rejecting it for the sake of the future is the way forward. No body should be a hostage of past history. Besides we are tired of romanticised Ghedli stories that are total mismatches with our current lives.

    • Haile S.

      Dear Envision,
      A week or so ago you were saying “Eritrea has eaten first their dreams, then their human rights… their bones”. Now you are including yourself in the Eritrean struggle by saying “our struggle…”. Who are you? You don’t appear someone with great mission and force of conviction. You want to destroy Eritrea inside-out. Don’t you have qualms?

      • iSem

        Selam Haile S:
        I cannot speak for envision but, it is just point of view, he use the third person and now the first:-)
        My view

        • Haile S.

          Thank you iSem for the possible clarification, but still doesn’t remove my take on what he says.

      • Paulos

        Selam Haile,

        I sure don’t mean to play Inspector Clouseou but Envision walks like YG and he could as well be him.

        • Nitricc

          Hey P; he the old awate who have a very difficult time sticking to a simple one nick name. For sure though he YG foot soldier and admirer. let him have fun but he fooling no one.

        • Haile S.

          Hi Paulos,
          I see in you an Inspector Maigret more Meticulous, though I don’t see YG here. YG not only opens the abscess, but digs deep inside its walls reaching the healthy tissue, the inacceptable part of his thoughts to my taste and perhaps to many.

          • Paulos

            Selam Haile,

            That’s funny. The Pink Panther series have always been my fav. My all time is however, “The Party.” I probably watched the movie ten times or so.

            YG is a brilliant writer and the tapestry of his writing style is esoteric where it becomes problematic to be received by the general audience. He deserves the credit for inviting us into a national discourse on issues that had been hitherto a taboo. That said however, insensitivity got the better of him where Gedli may have its pitfalls but the rest of us lost brothers and sisters in it and to it where YG to the very least owe us courtesy and respect.

  • Paulos

    Selam Dawit,

    Great to see you back with your gifted pen. I gather you are better suited to comprehend with clarity the faculty of the human mind where it is not endowed to capture the essence of deep-time concept nor it is able to see the events of the past with clarity particularly if emotions are not attached to them. Case in point is, as you have put it, your generation lived through the emblematic spirit of Naqfa where it has become a bulwark to any psychological onslaught as the Greeks held on to the Homeric saga during the dark ages. Naqfa became your generation.

    The latter generation however, knew about Naqfa through narratives and second hand stories and worse of all they got disillusioned when they see a contrasted world, a world when the victory of Naqfa was supposed to lend and provide them a better life. In this sense of emptiness and lightness of being, they start to question not only the authenticity of Naqfa but the entire intellectual edifice of the struggle as well. It is with in this lacuna of time that the Agazians step in. The challenge however is not to prove or disprove the talking point of the Agazians with refined historical rebuttal but by providing the young with what was promised to them when Naqfa resurrected against all odds. Again great to see you back with your gifted pen.

    • Dawit Mesfin

      Selam Paulos,
      Considering the long-drawn-out struggle for independence, and after the huge efforts and sacrifices exerted by our freedom fighters to liberate the country, adversely, our young are finding it hard to keep body and soul together. Eritrea gained a costly independence but now it does not feel like full victory has been achieved because the citizens are caught in a cleft stick, so to speak. The government failed our youth; we cannot afford to fail them. We have a responsibility to honour our fallen heroes (both ELF and EPLF combatants) – that way we will keep detractors in check, again so to speak.
      Dawit

      • tes

        Dear Dawit Mesfin,

        Personally I do feel that no full victory is achieved. I am feeling this because I am no more free. If Nakfa is capable to host again our struggle for full freedom, I will embrace it. If not, it will remain just a symbolic of past. I could say, every youth of our age is caring less about Nakfa these days. It is not because we are denying what happened but we believe the journey is not yet finished.

        tes

      • Paulos

        Selam Dawit,

        Eritrea could be a failed state but certainly it is not a failed nation. To create and bring about the latter is far harder and challenging than the former. Eritrea the nation was created by the blood and sweat of her children but history will not be kind to them not only for failing to create a state but for creating a cult of personality instead. Isaias says, “I am the state.” Isaias became the state. If it took 50 years to construct the caricature, only heaven knows how long it will take to deconstruct it for everything and anything that is ailing Eritrea including the perennial predicament of the youth revolves around it.

        • Dawit Mesfin

          Thank you for sharing such important views with me.
          Paulos, I see important events such as Operation Fenkil, the demise of the Nadew and Wiqaw Commands, the fall of Dekemhare which led to the liberation of Asmara and more are being commemorated to such an extent that some significant players during those key operations are simply purged from the historical narratives in order to brush them off from public memory. The aim is to implicitly portray certain prominent figures of the armed struggle who contributed to the grand narrative of Eritrean history as nonentities and deny them the recognition they deserve as sources of national pride. It is sordid to observe how history is changing right before our very eyes – that the memory of some aspects of the past is being misappropriated and predicated on amnesia about Eritrea’s war heroes. That is done in accordance to PFDJ’s political agenda which is evidently based on presidential disposition.
          That is indeed sad.

  • Tksi.Amba

    Hi Everyone,

    Can you please recommend books that give a fair and balanced account of the battles from the Eritrean side ? I’ve read a lot from the Ethiopian side and would like to read about it from the Eritrean side.

    Thank you

  • Nitricc

    Hi Dawit; tell them as is, little do they know. I have no idea where Eritrea is but I am a the biggest and the proudest of Nakfa! there is to be, that should give you the meaning of Nakfa and its power on Eritreans regardless where they are.

    • Asmera

      Most of you are talking about the past 30 years struggle. However you couldn’t see the future 200 years war just ahead of us.

      • Nitricc

        Hay Asmara; before i give you my take, can you elaborate a little bit what you mean when you made that comment. thanks. I think we have a different outlook of the future. The future is in Africa and the future is Eritrea. But i will wait for your elaboration. thank you Sir.

    • Dawit Mesfin

      Selam Nitricc and Asmera,
      Disappointingly, it feels as if victory, due to PFDJ’s misrule, has led Eritreans right into the lion’s den. It is not a misstatement to say that Eritrea, including those who are fleeing and defecting on a daily basis, has lost more of its citizens after independence rather than the era during the armed struggle. Eritreans have not benefited from Eritrean independence (yet). Accounts of our past are important because that is ‘where we come from’, if you know what I mean. We have been in and around Nakfa either in person or our minds.
      Dawit

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