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Do Ethiopian Love Their Country?

It’s safe to say Ethiopians love their country more than their people. In fact, the ever warring political and military elite do not seem to mind eradicating the people and destroying the country and as long they are assured of ruling the rubble that’s left behind. Eight-hundred years of governing patterns attest to that. The ruling elite is obsessed with power, only ruling power. Never mind citizens’ rights, economy, equality, and all other aspects of good governance if they do not serve the ruling class. And the right strategy to reach that goal is by displaying acute chauvinism, aggressive behavior, and multiplying enemies. Of course, all that needs spicing up with a generous dose of Arrogance.

It has been about six-weeks since Ethiopians launched yet another cycle of violence. As much as the official media wants to make the war look like a “law enforcing operation,” it has since turned out to be a repeat of the ancient ethnic wars that is fast transforming itself into a cross border war.

“Truth Is Lost in a Haystack”

It’s difficult to tell if the Tigray region is a mortal enemy’s territory or part of the Ethiopian national polity. It is also difficult to discern whether the federal government is responsible for the entire country or a foe of the regional government. The riddle needed to be discussed and we asked an Ethiopian scholar for an explanation. “Truth is lost in a haystack like a needle,” he said. But we suspect the Ethiopian army’s bayonets are not fitted with needles but with traditional knives. He couldn’t say if there was a chance the knives would be lost in the haystack.

The staggering number of news items coming out by Ethiopia are unbearable due to its unimaginable high frequency and because it’s stale copy and paste types. There is no sense of journalism save for a few reputed outlets. And the world thinks Ethiopia has a press law! It has, but the reporting sounds like a “Leqso bet” rumor mongering. Like mourning sessions where many people gather at the grieving people’s home and spend hours chit-chatting and gossiping. But that would have been benign if not for the official mouthpieces that habitually spreads sensational news only to retract them the next day. However, nowadays news travels at high-speed and it cannot be recalled. News is not like a stick you throw away and then instruct the dog to fetch it!

Child Soldiers Carrying Babies

Last week the official, semi-official, and partisan news outlets announced the arrest of Dr. Debretsion, the forced-out governor of Tigray. But it was too late when they decided to recall it. Worse, it was too late for an Ethiopian from Sekota; he was killed by a stray bullet fired by the crowds celebrating the arrest. The bullets also started a fire on properties. We are not sure if there were other celebrations or victims because there were several claims of similar arrests. But who would challenge the media outfits when most of the Ethiopian press has become like little Pravdas, thanks to the invaluable lessons in a crush course that Abiy took in Asmara, Eritrea?

Three days ago, the Ethiopian News Agency published a heart wrenching video of child-soldiers who went through a traumatic situation in the war. For centuries, the region has produced enough such wars to drive the children into insanity let alone the adult population. And the entire Horn of Africa region prides itself in sacrificing innocent children in meaningless partisan and ethnic wars. Why was a camouflaged child carrying a baby sent to the battle front in the first place?

Well, the ruling elite considers the children old enough to be cannon fodder. It has always been that tradition and one must adhere to the culture religiously.

Debt Servicing Labor

Four days ago, the DBL Group’s textile and garment factory in Mekelle closed shop after its premises escaped a bomb disaster. It’s the third manufacturing concern to suspend operation. Ethiopia confidently boasted about its double-digit growth for over two decades, and according to Reuters, “by 2017, it was the world’s fastest growing economy.” In 2018, Abiy took over the state power and announced his version of Gorbachev’s Glasnost which he branded Medemer (addition.) However, so far, the addition exercise has become subtraction.

Moreover, Ethiopia’s shortage of foreign currency means the country could face difficulty in servicing its debts or financing its imports. That is in addition to the disaster meted by the Covid19 pandemic, the locust invasion, and the ongoing war that has displaced tens of thousands of people and destroyed towns. Already, Ethiopia suffers from a type of unemployment that experts have not yet properly classified though bloodlust-unemployment could be a fitting name. The multi-faceted Ethiopian problem is a combination of illiteracy, booming population, and an economy always disrupted by wars in pursuit of hegemonic aspirations.

Economic Suicide

Ethiopian Airlines is the most successful, world class enterprise in Africa. It lays golden eggs. Lately it was plagued by ethnic profiling and the administration bluntly told its Tigrayan employees to stay home, a polite version of firing. That trend started with the firing of hundreds of Tigrayan soldiers form the Ethiopian peace-keeping forces working under the UN in Somalia where some soldiers refused to drop their arms and a soldier was killed in the standoff. Some private sector  corporations followed suit and it became an open season for profiling Tigrayans and firing them. In short, Ethiopia adopted the concept of furlough and changed it to rude-firing. Naturally, at first, only the targeted people will be affected but soon the confidence on the Ethiopian economy will start to face a piecemeal erosion.

Foreign Relations

When the ruling class is so detached from the people, the nation enters a long-lasting phase of despair and hardships… and statements by some officials exacerbate the situation.

A few days ago, answering a question about the Ethiopian refugees in Sudan, Radwan Hussein, the deputy foreign minister and head of the emergency task force said, ‘we are 110 million people, thirty or forty-thousand refugees are like one family,’ meaning he will not feel the loss. Insignificant. An official is not expected to belittle the plight of almost fifty-thousand displaced citizens. But that attitude is symptomatic of what ails Ethiopia: people are dispensable. If the plight of tens of  thousands of people is described with such simplicity, one can determine the going value of an individual’s life. One individual is not even equal to one family.

Meanwhile, many editors are running amok with news headlines agitating for a confrontation with Egypt, Sudan, UAE, Djibouti, South Sudan, Britain, USA, and every other country that can be goaded to a confrontation. The involvement of some countries is too obvious to deny but the provocation of others by the partisan media, which seems to be running the foreign affairs of the state, is irresponsible. However, Ethiopians and their government need to remember that every time they are hit by a catastrophe like famine, they must run to the big daddies of the western countries for help.

A government can have an opposite position to that of a donor state, but it must be thrifty in using rude and arrogant language in expressing its position. Besides, poking at Sudan and South Sudan is not a prudent diplomacy. So is the banning of local journalists unwilling to tow the government’s line. So is denying entry to foreign reporters and humanitarian agencies. It’s reckless, particularly when there are crime scenes like May Kadra. That town should have been cordoned off at once until impartial observers investigate the crime scene. Reporting on such crimes should not be left to partisan media and feuding parties. Sadly, that seems to be the case. It has been more than a month since the crime was committed, and it is anyone’s guess what evidence is left untouched or not tempered with.

The Eritrean Involvement

Anecdotal evidence that confirms Eritrean army involvement are overwhelming. However, after six-weeks of warfare with no concrete evidence, makes the claim questionable or very shaky. Providing an evidence for the claim by the Government of Tigray shouldn’t be that difficult. In a time when cellphones are abundantly available, it is mind-boggling that no evidence was presented to support the claim. True, telecommunications are disrupted, there is no power supply and myriad of other excuses, however serious that might be. How can the TPLF with its formidable intelligence apparatus be so disabled to the extent that it cannot smuggle a single memory disk outside of Tigray? How difficult could it be for someone to carry a flush-drive from the hinterland, via Raya to Dessie, or via Humera to Gonder?

Debates over the presence of Eritrean forces in Tigray has divided Eritreans. On one side are those who categorically deny it, and on the other, those who seem dead sure that Eritreans are involved. Neither the two, nor the TPLF has provided evidence for their claim. So far, the horserace-like betting of the two Eritrean sides has not produced a winner, but the quintessential Eritrean horse is still running aimlessly.

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  • Ayneta

    Merhaba Awate:

    Enough about Ethiopia. Lets talk about Eritrea.

    -How does the recent conflict impact the future state of affairs in Eritrea?
    -Has Isaias emerged stronger from the conflict or he is more exposed now?
    -Is it going to be the same old same for our people after the conflict, hoping for ”Moss’s sword to split the water” ?

    The questions are endless and we are hardly talking about them. In the mean time, things are at ”sub-zero temperature” in the country with no ray of light to gaze at. It is mind blowing how we have become so numb to the perennial plight of our people at the hands of the regime in Asmara that our rage has scaled back to nil. A testimony of such mindset is our endless infatuation about everything and anything Ethiopian. Some of us frisk like a lamb at the slight mention of anything Ethiopia, but descend into deaf ear when it comes matters of significance to Eritrea and its people. Sometimes I wonder if we have the capacity to separate Eritrean problems and shed light on them in their own virtue without tying them to Ethiopia.

    • saay7

      Selamat Ayneta

      Thanks for the reminder! I don’t think I am revealing state secrets if I say THIS is part of our frequent discussions on Eritrea with SGJ. There are now two categories for “news” about Eritrea: 1. the Governments daily self congratulatory report on Covid morbidity rates, and 2. Eritreans involvement or non involvement in the Ethiopian War. Recently images of Eritrea reduced to horse carriage transportation shocked to awareness even to the previously comotose and so the government was compelled editorials and articles justify the 9-month old quarantined for indeterminate time. And the rest is the usual seed of truth disfigured in social media beyond recognition. Maybe it is worse maybe the worst: we will get back to you.

      እንታይ ሓዲስ ነገር ኣሎ ብዛዕባ ዓድና is the questions Tigrinya speaking Eritreans greet each other with. And I think with that question we have conditioned one another to believe that the question is saying “don’t tell me things I already know.” Yes I already know that a Ministry of Information whose building was in a near miss from a rocket sent in its direction by TPLF, that’s not news but the vaccination of goats is.

      My fear is under all three outcomes of the war in Ethiopia, Eritreans are worse off, not necessarily due to the politicians but its rabid constituencies which will consider itself unstoppable. But that would still be talking about Ethiopia. See the catch-22?

      saay

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Ayneta,

      Your point is well taken. Our own affairs should have been priority number one to consider. You are right; many of us, including me, get initiated to talk about matters that unfold in our restless neighbor to the south. Not because what happen there become more important or more urgent than our own affairs; but because what happen there have tendency overflow borders and affect us, especially having in mind existence unsettled egos of some die-hard quarters in Ethiopia who still entertain that already written history that separated the two countries can be re-written back to pre 1991. And add to this the irresponsible and unquenchable thirsty of the despot in our land for power who operates on the basis of Machiavellian mindset, and seeks power anywhere and by any means, and messes up our nation’s affair with that of our neighbors.

      So, your lead questions are timely and important. Actually, they may be more important to forumers here who in the immediate past posed not lose a minute to justify the despot’s policy that has been enmeshed in the garb of the border issue and blame of the role of the TPLF regional government. So, the aftermath of the recent events in Tigrai should have given them time and opportunity to reflect on how the outcome could reflect on the developments in their homeland.

      Of course, it may be too early to put forward judgement on how the conflict in Tigrai and its ramifications elsewhere in Ethiopia would unfold. If the war will take protracted methods and drag on, it would mean its politics would not take the the hitherto anticipated course of win-loser relation that an armed conflict involving formations of regular armies engender. That eventuality would give Eritrea’s despot playing field and rationale to continue messing up our nation in association with one or another of conflicting parties along with foreign interest quarters. Within that scenario, his role will be auxiliary and opportunistic. His gain will be simply prolongation of oppressing our people. In this scenario, a disappoint despots would come as a wounded predator and would through his weight right and left where

      On the other hand, it the dust of war settles on the basis of winner and defeated leading of elimination of the TPLF from the equation, the dictator’s hand could be enhanced as long as the situation inside the larger Ethiopia settles down and enable Abij and his allies get an upper hand, especially after the projected national election which seem to have been scheduled to be held in next June. At that point, the despot’s situation will depend on what Abij or whoever will dominate in Addis Ababa. In case power will ends up in the hand of Abij, how the current alliance with Isayas will develop will a matter of concerns for us Eritreans. In this scenario, a disappoint despots would come as a wounded predator and would through his weight right and left where your rhetorical statement about “Moss’s sword” would be relevant to entertain as long as there will be power to raise that sword and land it on the water to create passage of our people to freedom. To make an already extend entry shorter, it would be exciting to anticipate what the hitherto enablers of the despots in the home front would conduct themselves.

      Happy X-mass to you and all.

  • said

    Greeting,

    I love the people and its culture ,But I’m not a fan of any past and present government. The failures of the government of Ethiopia and self-arrogated omnicompetence.

    Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat an enemy without too much bloodshed and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed; war is such a dangerous business that the mistakes which come from kindness are the very worst.”
    ― Carl von Clausewitz

    ‘Robbers’ [i.e., the parable of the Good Samaritan] usually find secret allies in those who ‘pass by and look the other way.’ There is a certain interplay between those who manipulate and cheat society and those who, while claiming to be detached and impartial critics, live off that system and its benefits…The complaint that ‘everything is broken’ is answered by the claim that ‘it can’t be fixed.’ or ‘what can I do?’ This feeds into disillusionment and despair, and hardly encourages a spirit of solidarity and generosity.
    – Pope Francis, Fratelli Tutti
    A Biblical passages. From Luke: “Nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.”

    The recent history known to all .Emperor Haile Selassie, Emperor Menilek (1889–1913) before him, and Mengistu Haile Mariam’s Derg regime was especially merciless slaughtered over hundreds of thousand people (1974–89) were all Amhara. They establish a unified Ethiopia with Amharic as the official language and the Amhara culture as the foundation of Ethiopian identity. All other identities were to be relegated , Oromia and Tigray and others gave way to resentment of the Amhara/

    Today ,When it became clear . It’s now common knowledge ,Ethiopian gradually realized what had happened , They say it was an extraordinary provocation. In Ethiopia ,Politics is war. Abiy want to maintain control over the country, when they are in fact deeply divided, in Ethiopia AA ,is entitled to use force anywhere, anytime to preserve law and order, peace and stability. They claim . Its troops are always real heroes no matter what they do . Start a civil war, cruel and bitter war, thousand of deaths, abused, killed, waves of refugees after refuge ,millions internal displaced , people exhausted and town are ruins and some are cut off from the world , real resistance is long gone , Ethiopia military often they encircle against their own people, It doesn’t make any sense , new military alliances with known monster , use all means necessary to crush your opponent , Ethiopia fearmongering flourishes , and arrogant demeanors against others.

    Ethiopia near Political collapse, Ethiopia is made up of nine dominant ethnic groups and approximately eighty others. A country with so may ethnicity and glorious culture, mainly inked to the Orthodox Church, the old normalcy Ethiopian was terrifying and it’s returning back to it. How is AAA an improvement? Because he seems to be and packaged as “protector of freedoms, compassionate and true Ethiopian ” he’s a savior are not necessarily an improvement , in Ethiopia, It seems clear that loyalty to ethnicity is far greater than loyalty to the state, no longer quite seen as legitimate, in Ethiopia divided among themselves ,one group against the other, They’re not our people, for god’s sake, they’re the other ethnicity. But the whole Ethiopia is in bad economical shape and millions of people have been catapulted into poverty. and a central government beholden to it. besides the fact that its benefits weren’t extended to everyone, that’s just how things are, Ethiopian turned a blind eye to the historically demonstrated fact power never last forever .

    No one is here to speak truth to power , to shift the balance of power away from elites of Addis and to ordinary people, That requires a lot of hard work. with a vision and strategy. wanting reforms and change to come and actually doing are two different things.. would mean the difference between better life or slow death.

    Across Ethiopian the need to rise in solidarity ,collectively and united, a need to build successful institutions, especially long-lasting structures capable of taking on and defeating the most murderous and powerful Ethiopian government through out their history ,no exception including TPLF under Meles Zenawi ,dominated Ethiopia ,Tplf with three other political factions formed Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) Ethiopia was divided and formed ethnic federalism into nine mostly ethnic regions, Amhara lost power and have given away power for 28 years to Tigray . many important government ministries , agencies and institutions, including top position Ethiopian National Defense Force officers were from Tigray, one ethnic minority group that dominated state.; In Ethiopia Politics is inherently ethnic. And this created disempowerment of non-Tigray ethnic groups. It was EPRDF efforts to strip Ethiopians of land in Benishangul-Gumuz, Gambella, SNNPR, and northern Amhara. That create today unrest so significant

    for whom ever come to power with out honest election, building successful structures and institutions requires disciplined, accountable, and inclusive and sincere and serious people, if they were willing to submit themselves.

    There is much horror after horror to be rid of in Ethiopia, and it is not over ,sadly since the past is loaded with animosity, the plight of the Ethiopian poor people, and a ruthlessness and ever-worsening, ethnic war still burning unchecked. The tales of barbarism reserved exclusively for one ethnicity over the other and crimes perpetrated by their states and non state agent are busy sowing the seeds of division . Ethiopia is inundated on a daily basis with stories of suffering and tragedy.

    Unrest now gripping the country. Ethiopian problems are of a different order of magnitude altogether. There is more than enough devastation going on and darkness to go around. There is food insecurity and undernourishment, which afflicts millions of people across Ethiopia. And a catastrophic drop in living standards is causing misery and havoc on an unprecedented scale. the country is fast approaching a catastrophe.
    Ethiopian are grappling to find its moral compass in a time of such, civil war, hardship and strife, a critical question emerges: Whose victim and suffering should one care about? Ethiopian people are divided by ethnicity and political affiliation. some Ethiopian wondered whether they belong to WE or to THEY
    who is worth feeling empathy for, ethnic group ,religious members. But what about ethnicity, or people not connected to you through ethnicity ? most ethnic group feel more empathy for the suffering of those who are similar to themselves, that contribute to bias and injustice.
    someone is feeling empathy for is potent force that can motivate people to help others and can be expanded to be more inclusive and to have more moral to have equal empathy, and fostering a culture of caring for those who are different ethnic group and care about everyone equally. Embracing inclusiveness will help inculcate a spirit of tolerance and pluralism in Ethiopia.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Horizon,
      If someone called you Digital PP, the he will face the same reaction by the moderators simply because in this forum you are Horizon and you represent the views of Horizon.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam,

    Will Eritrea and Ethiopia opt for the cheap, fake China vaccine?

    Beijing Boasts It Can Save the World: Says Trust China to Supply Coronavirus Vaccines:

    The world should look to China for its coronavirus vaccines and ignore the alternatives, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) warned Thursday, adding that to do otherwise is an explicit example of racism.

    It also admonished those in the Western media who focused “on hyping up questions about transparency” rather than just implictly trusting those the CCP has endorsed.

    Despite the proud boasts of China, there is no shortage of critics who say it is simply trying to turn a crisis into an economic opportunity.

    Past scandals have damaged its own citizens’ trust in its vaccines, with manufacturing and supply chain problems casting doubt on whether it can really be a savior, as AP reports.

    “A question mark remains over how China can ensure the delivery of reliable vaccines,” said Joy Zhang, a professor who studies the ethics of emerging science at the University of Kent in Britain.

    She cited China’s “non-transparency over scientific data and a troubled history with vaccine delivery,” even as the CCP authorized the importation of the Pfizer partner BioNTech’s vaccine it dismissed.

    Bahrain last week became the second country to approve a Chinese coronavirus vaccine, joining the United Arab Emirates.

    Morocco plans to use Chinese vaccines in a mass immunization campaign slated to start this month. Chinese vaccines are also awaiting approval in Turkey, Indonesia and Brazil, while testing continues in more than a dozen countries, including Russia, Egypt and Mexico.

    In some countries, Chinese vaccines are viewed with suspicion. Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro has repeatedly sown doubt about the effectiveness of Chinese company Sinovac’s vaccine candidate and said Brazilians won’t be used as “guinea pigs.”

  • Barolle

    Selam readers,

    Another attack occurred in Benishangul Gumuz, more specifically the village Bekoji in Bule. Four armed men reportedly opened fire killing over 100 people and burned several houses thereafter.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Barolle,

      That is heart breaking..Let us pray for all humanity. In this new era, I think that is the only way our let us learn from this tragic and look in first and then out..

      KS..

    • Kaddis

      Barolle –

      you should question the govt’s role when they release a mass grave burial picture using excavator …because just few weeks ago ‘A series of conflicts in Ethiopia’s Konso in Nov resulted in the death of at least 66 people & displacement of 100,000’ reported by the Ethiopian Human rights council ( although the council is here to normalize killings for Abibi – the issue occurred )

      Why the selective rage? Do you remember the parliament fat lady crying for a killing of ‘Amharas’ in wollega just before tigray war? called in for a meeing and shot story deep in wolega tiny town? do we know the details? or used just to drive the Amhara militia northward?
      every killing is done to justify more killings ….in the Abibi, Issu run Ethiopia

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Kaddis,

        If people are unable to condemn state sanctioned ethnic cleansing in the northern state of Ethiopia, we don’t expect them to condemn crimes perpetuated by local criminals. Ethiopians have selected grievances even if the grievances are the same in nature. The crimes that are committed by the federal government against Tigray people is the same as the crimes committed by the OLF against the Amara people in the Benishangul Gumuz area in the southwestern of Ethiopia. It is all ethnic cleansing. The shadow government of Isu and its evil act in Ethiopia is just beginning. Abiy is a “messenger” who couldn’t understand the consequences of the “messages and ploys” of Isu. It is sad to see the hospitable country that hosts our refugees to fall in the trap of Issayas.

        Regards

        • Elenta

          Hi Aman,
          What about the crime committed by Tigray regional government against Amhara people in Mai-Khadra? Was it ethnic cleansing?

          • Abay

            Dear Mr Hidrat
            Please answer the question asked by Elenta “What about the crime committed by Tigray regional government against Amhara people in Mai-Khadra? Was it ethnic cleansing?” Thank you and happy new year.
            Abay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Elelta & Abiy,

            All the killing that is going on in Ethiopia, be it by the Federal government or by regional government or by none state actors like OLF is ethnic cleansing in my book. Civilians of all origins are being killed of no guilty of themselves. That is inhumanity.

          • Saleh Johar

            Elenta,
            The Mai Kadra massacre is crying for investigation by a competent neutral investigators. So far, it’s murky each warring party accusing the other and claiming the
            Victims are this or that ethnic group. They are humans and Mai Kadra has residents of many different people due to its geographical and agricultural pull factors. I think the place should be opened for investigation but politicizing it, instead of treating it as an inhuman atrocity is a disservice to the poor victims. But that is what happens when militia forces face each other and unfortunately that seems to be the culture of the region

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Memhir,

            Ethiopian Government has refused to allow independent investigation saying “we do not need a baby sitter” but I don’t think it matters. We have a group of con-artists for a government and some Ethiopians are unwilling or unable to call them as such.

            Government sent groups have been collecting dead bodies around Idaga Hamus and Adigrat areas recently some suspect will be used to create another Mai-Kadra-like drama.

            In the the last most notable killings, Shashemene, Western Welega, and Metekel, government troops or the so called Liyu Haile were on site or near-by and did nothing or even corroborated with the “killers” in some cases.

            Now that most of the opposition is out of the way, Abiy will have an election in June, as if we were not told the election was delayed due to COVID-19, what a sham!

          • Saleh Johar

            Kentebai Fanti ,
            I understand what you are saying and I have references, many of them. The most gruesome massacre I saw was Ona. And do you know what they did to it when the victims were buried? They hauled white riverbed sand and spread it all over the village. They covered all the soot, burned out wood and made it look like a park. Then they pitched a few tents and stationed a team of Tor Serawit on the entrance. A few foreigners were brought to the area and told all was a lie. This is the village the shifta claim was burned and its residents massacred. Killing innocent peasants is deeply embedded in the history of Abyssinian military Zemecha which, ironically, is pillaging. Who cares who did it or who the victims were? It’s enough it was done under the watch of a government that waged wars using undisciplined militia and victims are human beings who has no say in what happened. Trying to score political points by using the lives of the innocent people is beneath pathetic. It’s appallingly inhuman. And who is engaged in this cheap partisan propaganda? Those who are supposed to be educated, the always complacent elite.

      • Saleh Johar

        Kaddis,
        Please post the link for the woman in parliament agitating for killings? Pls help, I need that.

        • Aman Y.

          Selam Saleh,

          i have been wondering how she feels after all these destructions in Tigray. Here the youtube video link: ፓርላማ በእንባ ተራጩ https://youtu.be/E3NlL-dShDU b/n 1:02 to 3:12 min. mark

          • Saleh Johar

            Thank you Berhe,

            The audio is terrible but the voiceover explained it. It’s sad that innocent people are falling victims to fascists and ethnic centric forces. Whoever gets the mike advance their ethnic grievances but do not care about other human beings. If a victim doesn’t belong to their ethnic group they don’t count. The elite is driving vendetta and selective outrage while innocent Ethiopians are falling like autumn leaves.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            First, Pay attention please. You are responding to Berhe instead of Aman.
            Secondly and more importantly, you are dead WRONG in your interpretation. You are wrongly and INTENTIONALLY assuming that the parliamentarian doesn’t care about other ethnicities.

          • Elenta

            Abi,
            Its easy to say Eritreans doesn’t care about other Ethiopian ethnicities as much as they do for Tigrians. That is what you call selective outrage.

          • Saleh Johar

            Thank you Abi,
            I made a mistake and has corrected it. I apologize for the name mix up only. The rest I do not see a reason to argue against a feeling you have. There is no way one can prove or disprove another on the raw feeling they hold. Thank you.

          • Elenta

            Saleh,
            Unfortunately the mic is always with Amharic and Tigrigna speaking ethnic group. Where was the outrage for ethnic cleansing committed on Eritrean Kunama and Afari?

          • Saleh Johar

            Elenta,
            The mic was always with the Abyssinian rulers even before the mic was invented. Also, the topic is currently ent affairs, I think. But if it is history, then I suggest you write an article following the guidelines of the forum and we can then discuss real, perceived, and politically motivated history. Speaking of myself, I promise to participate there actively.

          • Kibreab

            Selam Saleh,

            Context matters. The parliament session happened following a series of ethnic based killings and a day after a horrendous atrocity was committed in West Welega, where according to the Aljazeera report below, gunmen gathered over 200 ethnic Amhara residents in a schoolyard and started shooting, killing at least 54 people.

            https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/2/horrendous-attack-leave-dozens-killed-in-western-ethiopia

            Under such circumstances, would it be out of place for the representatives to question the government’s action or inaction to stop the atrocities?

            Also, in this highly charged atmosphere we are in, I think it is always prudent to get the original source of the news item before making any conclusions. In that regard, here is the original recording of the parliament session.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHZQLm2ys3w

            When I watch the recording of the session and see the “fat lady” speak, I see a representative who is genuinely distraught at the atrocities that are happening in her country, including a fresh atrocity that happened just the night before. I see a representative who is questioning her government’s inaction in protecting the death of innocent civilians. I would not characterize her call as “agitating for killing”. And, based on that speech alone, I would think it would definitely be hard to characterize her as “fascist” and “ethnic centric” who is advancing her “ethnic grievances but do not care about other human beings”.

            With regards.

          • Abi

            Hello Kibreab
            Beautifully said.
            Unfortunately, you can’t convince a person who is intentionally deaf.

          • Kibreab

            Ras Abi,
            Thank you. ርሑስ በዓል ልደት!
            I can think of people here who can be described as “intentionally deaf”, but not Ato Saleh. He was probably looking for a clip to bolster an argument for his next video essay and went on overdrive!

            I believe his advocacy is centered around the powerless victims. Agree or disagree, his reasoning is always logical and is open for everyone to see and scrutinize. For these, I have tremendous respect. If after watching the raw video and considering the circumstances, he still holds the same view, particularly of the lady, all I can say is our region is really really screwed up!

          • Abi

            Selam Kibreab
            He saw her tears, he heard her crying. He remained intentionally deaf and blind. He is totally biased.
            He has long lost his compass ever since weyane left power.
            All he does is undermining PMAA and cheering for the dead Tplf.

          • Kibreab

            Ras Abi,
            May be I am the one who is deaf and blind! Sometimes, we hold on to what we believe in to keep our sanity, because the alternative is messy.

        • Kaddis

          Selam Gash Saleh –

          Below is the link – its unfortunate the killings are used to trigger more violence by the government and other non-state actors for political, land and other gains/scores.
          The media, including madam President, the HR commission, parliament works in coordination to escalate a violence news with messages directed to a certain group ….even if death is happening everywhere…from my follow up readings this incident in the video didn’t have more info, report …witnesses …glad if it didn’t happen in any case
          https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=685666632088353

      • Abi

        Kaddis
        Only a guy confused and lying about his ethnicity calls the parliamentarian lady as “ fat lady “.

        • Selam Abi,

          I fail to understand why the lady is accused for lamenting for the dead, and for demanding that the lives of innocent victims should be protected? Is this still a crime as it was during the three decades of tplf dictatorship?
          It is odd that the crimes committed by tplf/woyane is ignored and whitewashed, and even Ethiopians lamenting for the victims of the horrendous crimes by the mercenaries of the tplf junta, is presented by digital woyane as a call for genocide, and it passed so easily. Did the head of the church say anything different from the lady? He was also demanding for the protection of citizens.
          Any angry and frustrated digital woyane, whose job is to destort the truth and whitewash the crimes of tplf doesn’t mean that he/she is telling the truth, because he/she is not telling the truth about him/herself in the first place, although there was no reason to bring it as a topic. What is important is one’s opinion and not identity.
          One big mistake they are making is that they think Abiy, (whatever name they may call him to numb their pain), is the only person in Ethiopia who hates tplf and its crimes. It is the majority of Ethiopians who are extremely angry with what tplf has done to Ethiopia and the result of its poisonous legacy. Ethiopians are asking for justice, and the only place for the junta leaders is behind bars and nowhere else. This is not asking for genocide. Tplf is the genocider and Ethiopians are asking for justice. Those who are dreaming for the return of tplf criminals will be disappointed. They are the enemies of Ethiopia and Ethiopians, Tigrayans included, and they wish them the hottest place in hell, and nowhere else.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,

            The TPLF leadership was ready to reform the mistake and put all problems on the table. We all were optimistic for sometime and we all are now disappointed to see him just a dictator like the his friend old PIA.

            “Is this still a crime as it was during the three decades of tplf dictatorship? ” What are you saying? are you for real, What do you noted on those 3+years, the crime over the crime and still not finished yet. Metekle has seen 270 people dead badly just before 2 days. And not just finished bloodshed is not over. If this crazy is on power the death will continue..I was arguing like you guys when you Ethiopians were talking bad about Weyane people and still I was against them for remembering my ELF years.. But now it is a against your people he is playing on you by smooth talk..

            Dear Horizon, think about it and see carefully and correct your stand..

            KS,,

          • Selam K.S.,

            I wish you do exactly that yourself, “ think about it and see carefully and correct your stand..”. You seem to have forgotten all or don’t care at all about what tplf did to Ethiopia: the murder of the Ethiopian armed forces in their sleep, the mai kadra ethnic cleansing, where the number of innocent people murdered at the hands of tplf hit squad has risen above 1K, the killings, the looting, the torture of Ethiopian citizens over the three decades of tplf dictatorship, and you seem, ( i am forced to say this), that you have a soft spot for tplf, and you have become their voice.

            How was tplf ready to correct the mistakes? By running away and isolating itself in mekelle? Or, by refusing to acknowledge the existence of the federal government, and doing everything in its power to destabilize the country and undermine the government, all these, because it is no more in power, and couldn’t do what it did? Its plan was either to rule forever, or otherwise, destroy the country.

            What you see depends where you stand. You see that PIA and Abiy are dictators, and there is no mention of tplf’s three decades of dictatorship. Tplf supporters did not condemn tplf’s rocket attack against Asmara. They were talking about the unproved Eritrean participation in the war.
            PIA did less harm to Ethiopia than tplf. Tplf is Ethiopia’s deadly enemy. It hated, hates and will hate ethiopia till kingdom come, unless Ethiopia is tplf cash cow.

            Why don’t you talk about the cause and you only speak of the effect. In metekele those who killed innocent people, again in their sleep, the tplf way, locked families and torched them, were tplf mercenaries, and therefore, tplf itself, because they were funded by tplf. You want to heap the crimes on the government.

            Now that the government is planning to bring the culprits to justice, you may start to shout, dictatorship, human rights abuse, etc. It doesn’t hold water. When there is crime, there is also punishment. That is why there is the law. If the criminals don’t go to the court of law by themselves, when accused, the law will come after them. It happens all over the world.

            If you compare your elf years with the woyane years in ethiopia, which are two different things, a country and a liberation front, it is up to you. Once a country is lost, it is lost. You can replace one liberation front with another, as many times as you like.

            Finally, let me ask you this. You, as an Eritrean, why do you care so much for tplf? Why do you give advice that supports tplf’s interests? Why do you have a soft spot in your heart for tplf than for justice, as it seems? Were we mistaken to believe that you were on the side of truth and justice, as your name suggests, or is it that, after all, justice is partisan?

          • Saleh Johar

            Horizon,
            The conventional rule is an army should not be caught sleeping at all. Specially in a potential or imminent danger conflict zone And when armies sleep, they assign girds and advance warning scouts. A sleeping army is a sign of an ill administered army. It’s a sign of ineptness not a reason to absolve it of carelessness. After all, battles are waged in opportune time and what an opportunity to get it while sleeping of totally unaware. I hope we leave emotions aside and evaluate military issues as such and not pretend they were school children on a hiking trip.

          • Selam SJG,

            This was not a war zone or an enemy territory, and they were sleeping in their own home, more or less, and country and among their own people. There were Tigrayan soldiers and officers with whom they shared everything. They fought together and died together in the Ethio-Eritrean border war. That was at least what the non-tigrayan (non-tplf) soldiers and officers believed. Two actions of the traitors stand out, invitation for supper and the vulnerability of sleep, which they exploited. Can we accuse Abel for trusting his brother Cain, who betrayed him?

            The enemy was within, a brother in disguise, and that was the reason why it was so dangerous, the wound so deep, and the pain so great. The enemy was eating with the victims from the same table. Some of the victims were married to Tigrayan women, had created families and had made Tigray their home after so many years, because they believed that Tigray is Ethiopia and Tigrayans are Ethiopians, their own people. It was trust betrayed in the most inhuman way.

            What could few guards do? It is impossible to have half the army on guard as if they are at the battle front. Ammunitions were locked as per the regulations. Most probably tigrayan officers cared for this, too. The soldiers were working the whole day in the fields with tigrayan farmers the day they were murdered, because they believed they were helping their own people, brothers and fathers, whom they trusted and loved after so many years of living together with the local population and under the regional government, more or less.

            There is no other explanation whatsoever other than treason, backstabbing, treachery and a brother betraying a brother, as Cain did to Abel. With your logic, tplf should not complain about the price it paid and is paying, because it deserves it, and it should have been more clever and more careful than it really was.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Horizon,
            1- I can’t take you seriously until you stop repeating the government’s narration. Everything you said is a repetition of what the federal operatives have said, retracted it, and said it again. Give me your individual view and do not echo what we all heard.
            2- I know Ethiopia failed to break off the theocratic rule that was there for centuries. Quoting biblical stories is just a continuation of that ancient tradition. Abel and Cain is your proof? That is faith, bling faith at that, I cannot debate faith but rational reasoning. Then what? Are you going to tell me the angels were fighting alongside your forces? Leave that talk to the pastors and don’t use it is such debates, just a suggestion.

            3- have you ever been a soldier, or, have you ever seen a battle? You seem to have no clue. Saying your army was sleeping when it was asleep is an insult to any soldier. This is the first time I hear that an attack on an army is wrong because the armed soldiers were asleep! No soldier of your will be happy with that insult, unless you are talking of clueless militia. We are not talking of a convalescent home but an army barrack, a defense post or a camp. In battles, armies set ambushes, mislead each other, use tactical deceit, and propaganda. And surprise attack is the most refined military element. Those who do that are superior to a sleeping army— refer to war classics, ask veterans, read military history from the Romans to the Gulf War and you will understand. But our army was asleep when attacked? Please don’t repeat that. You are insulting your army who should have been alert at any time, in any circumstance. Battles are fought based on military norms not on football match protocols. And if this is the best argument you have, I can understand the reason for the coverup of the massacres.

            For a change Horizon, preach peace and reconciliation for your people. Don’t leave a legacy of vendetta and bloodshed for your children. There is enough bitterness and hate going around already.

            Pls read the best quote about peace in the Bible and consider it a gift from me to you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Horizon,

            Have you notice yourself that you are also a “digital Abiy” who is in the forefront of the political propaganda of ethnic cleansing and ethnic profiling against the Tigray people. Have you notice the plight of the Tigray people who are bombarded and pillaged by Abiy/Isu’s army? What is the difference between the inhumane killing of the Amara and inhumane killing of the Tigrian people? Isn’t it the same crime except one is by the OLF and the other by the government and it’s allies? Abiy is conducting ethnic macro-profiling against Tigrigna speaking all over Ethiopia. If you support Abiy you support his policy and hence you are a “digital-Abiy.”

          • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            Digital woyane was created by Dr. Debretsion for the purpose of misinformation, confusion, defamation of the Ethiopian PM and to undermine the federal government. That is why there were more than 25K tweets a day and thousands of new accounts were created by digital woyane during the war.

            Being anti-digital woyane, doesn’t make one digital-Abiy, because contrary to digital woyane the Ethiopian government never had such a plan, and most probably will never have one.

            Right or wrong, i have the right to support the Ethiopian government, while you, an Eritrean, when you support tplf, an organization that is hell bent to destabilize and destroy Ethiopia and undermine the federal government, you are on the wrong side – period.

            You speak of ethnic cleansing in Tigray, which exists only in your mind. What happened in Tigray is combating the rogue element that committed a treasonous act against its own country and people, which is none other than tplf, and it has nothing to do with the people of Tigray, who are today trying to recover from their plight under tplf dictatorship of almost half century.

            It is the traitor and terrorist tplf that started a war with more than 250K fighters that is being bombarded and not the people. The people are not fighting the federal forces with whom they have lived in harmony for about two decades. It is tplf and its leaders that are hiding in caves, and not the people of Tigray, who are leading their normal lives in their homes and tending their businesses. They showed that they are not tplf and tplf has nothing to do with them by dumping it.

            You couldn’t go all the way to condemn tplf for the massacre and ethnic cleansing against the Amara people in mai kadra, and you sufficed by mentioning only the atrocities of olf and not that of tplf as well.

            No government ever did ethnic profiling as much as tplf. Ethnic profiling is the essence of ethnic federalism. It was the only means with which to hold a position during tplf government, and it was the method with which tplf monopolized the armed forces, the security, the economy and everything imaginable. Law abiding people have nothing to fear, and if they are underground tplf agents, of course, they will feel uneasy.

            Here is a person (Abiy), who speaks of ethiopian unity, when tplf worked day and night to divide the people, wants to implement democracy and real equality of the Ethiopian ethnic groups, unlike tplf, fights to control those who want to disintegrate the country, puts in prison the kleptocrats and looters, etc., what is wrong if i support his government, as an Ethiopian who is a stakeholder. This is completely opposite to what you are doing, a foreigner who stands on the side of the enemy of ethiopia. There is a big difference there. Does that make me “digital Abiy” as you say? If it is going to help Ethiopia and its people, let it be so, although contrary to digital woyane, “digital Abiy” is simply a misnomer.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            The cardinal sin the parliamentarian committed was she didn’t cry in Tigrinya . The three blind mice failed to see hear her pain.
            According to these dying weyane worshippers, one has to think, speak, cry, laugh in Tigrinya to be credible.

          • Selam Moderator,
            What is wrong with using the term digital woyane? How come it is a defamation when the term was first used by Dr, Debretsion himself? Does it mean that the online activities of tplf activists who are under the umbrella of digital woyane are telling us the truth, the whole truth and nothing else but the truth, and when one speaks against them, it is defamation? Evidence could be subjective.

  • Hashela

    Selam All

    If you haven’t seen the Great Conjunction, the alignment of Saturn and Jupiter and their moons, yesterday night, try today!!

    The planets regularly appear to pass each other in the solar system, with the positions of Jupiter and Saturn being aligned in the sky about once every 20 years.

    What makes this year’s spectacle is that Saturn and Jupiter pass very close to each other at night, allowing nearly everyone around the world to witness this “great conjunction.” The last time this (close and at night) happened was 800 years ago.

    Even if you are not excited about this planetary event, take your kids or grand kids out and show them. Foster scientific curiosity in them. Science is fun and peaceful!!

    • Abi

      Hashela
      last night was extremely cloudy. I will try again tonight. I don’t want to miss this opportunity. I missed the previous one:)
      Thanks for the timely reminder.

      • Hashela

        Abi

        based on the apparent lack of wisdom you consistently show, I guessed it that you must be younger than 800 years old:)

        • Abi

          Hashela
          እዋይ!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            you wanted to say የቐንየለን።

  • Kaddis

    Selam Awate –

    Recalling our discussion in the 2018 , I mainly argued Abibi came to power promising many things to many enablers.

    To name a few – to Isias – revenging Tigray, to TPLF forgiveness, to US, selling everything at garage price, structural adjustment, avoid China, to Amhara elite Unitary state, land in Tigray, in oromia, in Benishangul ( in exchange the Amhara elite provides mass dying militia) to Emirates/Egypt – complicating the Nile dam ( Eng Semegnew?) and to avoid Igad, AU and form a trio of failed states with Somalia and Eritrea, to Sudan: the land Abay Tsehaye allegedly protected for 25 years, to OPDO – to keep looting and keep OLF broken , to the Oromo change makers and EU: election and to his wife:
    to make her the 7th Empress of Ethiopia Zinash the first!! :- )

    While delivering its promises – Sudan seems to get the best deal and the most impatient one and Demeke seems to be the face to sign a deal …lets see how much the Ethiopianists react to thier idol’s actions….its delivery time now that the enablers know Eth is too broken to resist
    “According to Demeke Mekonen, ( in Amhara region now occupied by Sudan ) agricultural products of Ethiopian farmers were looted, their camps vandalized, and they were also hampered from harvesting their own farms. A number of civilians had been murdered and wounded.” Addis standard reported ( no – its not in Tigray this time )

    As Seyoum Mesfin said few months ago – once you allow foreign power ( Eritrea, Emirates) to enter to overpower your ‘enemy’ – there is no guarantee the other party will not invite others to join the party ….
    Happy holidays to you all – enjoy as much as this crazy times allows it : -)

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Kaddis,

      Good to see you back. If he had all these promises to his enablers, I don’t think he will make satisfy even to one enabler, as the country is diving in to unrelenting crises – a crises where Ethiopia became the pawn of multiple foreign interventions. I heard that President of Kenya despised Abiy as un matured child at IGAD meeting few days ago. How true is it? What was the cause to the rough talk between the two? What is the talk in Addis about it?

      Regard

      • Kaddis

        Selam Gash Aman –
        The body language was tense with Uhuru as Abii’s disgust shown to the journalists …regardless of the verbatism – its expected Kenya would not fall into this failed state trio drama of Abii, farmajo and isass directly reporting to the gulf states.

      • Kaddis

        Gash Aman –
        One more thing – the Addis and Amharic cities based elite & media is eagerly waiting to show/see a deliberately weaponized famine stricken Tigray children and mother while Abiy and Isias is trying hard to fulfill their dreams – it disgusts me

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Kaddis,

          Abiy and Issayas chose to conduct this war based on hate against the Tigray people, during the infestation of locust, wreaking havoc and devouring everything to their agricultural product in the Tigray region. This is the unforeseen human cruelty perpetuated by Abiy and the Amhara region against the Tigray people. I wonder how these two ethnics (Amara and Tigray people) could live together in the future after this horrendous killing and looting properties. God knows what comes next. This is the cost of the friendship with our despot, and many more to come in the southern region.

    • saay7

      Hey Kaddis:

      Yeah I remember. There are probably three views here, and while I can’t quantify it precisely, I believe my view is in the minority

      * Abiy was a great leader, and he still is
      * Abiy was a conman, and he still is
      * Abiy tried to be a great leader but circumstances—his life experiences, his youth, the influence of Isaias Afwerki—-dragged him down to be another strong man who will rule with an iron fist and a compliant media.

      One of the influencing factors are the people who are wedded to the 3000 Year Narrative. In the US (or as he often says ባሜሪካን ሀገር): the revolutionaries who fought England because it was a decrepit monarchy whereas they were fighting for a republic…. those same people begged George Washington to be a king. Because to them, even those so called enlightened people, that was what a head of government ought to be. There is a not-inconsequential segment of Ethiopia that does not want a republic but a kingdom with an absolute ruler at least until the country is cured from its ethno-obsession which according to them were unheard of in Ethiopia prior to TPLF 🙄

      Anyway, time permitting I hope to write an article on the failings of Abiy: great manager, terrible leader. (A very common affliction of technocrats.) And yes when your country is at war and you are a Nobel *Peace* Prize winner, you have failed, particularly when you have zero institutions (media, parliament, courts) that can check your excesses and the only one criticizing you is Europe which Ayay Issu Wedi Afey will teach you how to navigate around.

      saay

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam All,

    Those who are interested with geopolitics of the Horn, the link I am going to provide you will give a good hint how it will affect be directly or indirectly to the conflict of Ethiopia and to the relation of our despot and the despot to be. It is a long read and is only to good readers and not for those who have no patience to long reading. Enjoy it.

    https://mada29.appspot.com/madamasr.com/en/2020/12/17/feature/politics/a-gulf-of-difference-how-the-uae-and-egypts-close-coordination-fell-apart-and-whats-next/

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Amanuel,

      It is surprising how influential a country UAE has become. DIA will be safe as long as he remains a UAE agent. The Drone provisions and involvement in Ethiopia was DIE’s current assigned mission.

      thanks

    • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

      Much more, this article is about the difficult situation of the Egyptian government. It has not given us any clear info about the war, or something we are not aware of.
      These are the main points concerning Ethiopia.

      -Water-intensive projects in Ethiopia implemented by Israel, which puts Egypt’s water security in danger, as the author sees it.
      -The fear of Egyptian officials that Israel and the UAE, are establishing security cooperation with Ethiopia and Somalia,
      -The creation of a water canal from the gulf of Aqaba to the port of Haifa, thus reducing the importance of the suez canal, where Egypt is investing a lot of money,
      -UAE is not applying pressure on Ethiopia to help Cairo on the Ethiopian dam. The UAE has refused to use its financial muscles against Ethiopia.
      -UAE and Egypt are supporting opposing parties in this war, Egypt supports tplf, while UAE supports Ethiopia,
      -According to Egyptian officials the UAE has used its Assab base to launch drones against Tigray. Again according to egyptian officials, Egypt has been actively lobbying Sudan to support tplf to weaken Abiy, and force him to accept Egypt’s will on the gerd. The same sources say that Egypt accuses the UAE that it has pushed Eritrea to help Ethiopia, although the extent of Eritrea’s and UAE’s involvements are not known,
      -Egypt has come to understand that the horn of Africa is no more its backyard,
      -UAE knows that Egypt is a soft and dysfunctional giant, despite its increasing demography, but at the same time rising economic inequality. Expanding external debt, at the time when the KSA and UAE are not showing their usual generosity to Cairo.

      Therefore, what the article says about Egypt and the ruling clique in Cairo are more important than what it says about Ethiopia. UAE and Eritrean involvements are not yet proved, and what is true is that tplf is defeated, Tigray is returning to its normal situation, free from the evil tplf, and those who are disappointed with the situation, have only themselves to blame for sleeping with traitors and criminals.

      • Hashela

        Selam Horizon

        This is a nice and comprehensive summary of the article.
        I want to add that the article is not an investigative reportage but a speculative one.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Aman,
      Thanks for the link. The article provides broad outline of inter-Arab security and diplomatic relations with backdrop of political and strategic interests outside the Arab region. One area that the article highlighted the inclusion of the Horn region with Ethiopia and its problems as epic center. For casual observer of Ethiopia’s traditional perception of the Arabo-Islamic affairs, after reading this article and relations the current administration in Addis Ababa has been cultivating with focus on the Saudi and Emarati crown princes, one is left pondering on how the beyond the Middle East fixated Ethiopia elites are adapting to the increased Arab influences in Ethiopia’s political and economic future.

  • said

    Greetings
    Song about homesickness
    With English subtitles
    Everyday you bid farewell to another dream
    The anguish plagues you all around
    But nothing beats homesickness
    And the wound is great
    You don’t pay anything any mind
    Hello hello, goodbye goodbye
    Silence has overtaken your temperament
    For no reason

    Song Shield Oh my heart

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ruEfLScnM

  • Barolle

    Selam readers,

    A bomb detonated on Saturday in Ethiopia, Addis Abeba. The bomb is said to have killed 3 people and hurt 5 in the area Lideta. There is no lead on that the explosion is related to the current conflict as of now.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam,

    The U.S. Commerce Department announced the addition of over 60 more Chinese entities to the export blacklist Friday, including Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. (SMIC), China’s largest producer of computer chips.

    “This action stems from China’s military-civil fusion (MCF) doctrine and evidence of activities between SMIC and entities of concern in the Chinese military industrial complex,” the Commerce Department explained.

    “We will not allow advanced U.S. technology to help build the military of an increasingly belligerent adversary. Between SMIC’s relationships of concern with the military industrial complex, China’s aggressive application of military civil fusion mandates and state-directed subsidies, SMIC perfectly illustrates the risks of China’s leverage of U.S. technology to support its military modernization,” Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross elaborated.

    “Entity List restrictions are a necessary measure to ensure that China, through its national champion SMIC, is not able to leverage U.S. technologies to enable indigenous advanced technology levels to support its destabilizing military activities,” Ross said.

    The Commerce Department said the other entities added to the sanctions list are involved in abusing human rights, militarizing the South China Sea, and participating in the “theft of U.S. trade secrets.”

    The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) noted that the blacklist “effectively prohibits SMIC from acquiring technology to build chips with 10-nanometer circuits and smaller, the industry’s top class of chips,” a huge escalation of sanctions pressure against a company heavily backed by the Chinese state.

    More specifically, the restrictions will require a “presumption of denial” for SMIC’s applications to purchase advanced chip technology, so it would still be possible for SMIC to make purchases for some applications.

    An unnamed “senior Commerce official” told the WSJ the U.S. government is especially interested in blocking SMIC for obtaining American technology that could be used in “drones, military aircraft, and exoskeletons” — the latter an application the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of China is keenly pursuing for troops deployed into extreme environments.

    The WSJ noted that suppliers have occasionally bypassed Commerce Dept. blacklists by selling through third parties, as in the case of China’s Huawei finding ways to obtain the American tech it needed after it was placed under export restrictions in 2019, and it is unclear if the new sanctions will survive long in the Biden administration. It seems likely that major U.S. companies interested in selling chips to China will pressure the Biden Commerce Department to loosen restrictions.

    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/12/18/us-blacklists-smic-chinas-top-chip-maker-plus-60-other-entities/

    • said

      Greeting Sk,

      You often promoting the most right-wing wackos website and white supremacist dialogue as legitimate idea and information . I never spends any time watching right-wing media, Fox News pro-Trump voices and many disinformation channels , and the evangelical acts up in the name of Trumpism. in evangelical 24-hour news cycle, putting a garbage news and promoting hate . Trump, simply tapped into the racist id that has always been a foundation of American evangelicalism. Most of White evangelicals support the racism and violence. First hand experience racism by Martin Luther King Jr and by Black Christians have seen this for more than 400 years? still continuing . Many evangelicals has been a philandering politician who rips children from parents at the border.
      Desmond Tutu in the South African struggle for freedom and equality with white is just one of many , for a Galilean Jesuses, Only in American churches exist a Blue-eyed white Jesuses, I admire Jesus’ teachings, and I don’t doubt the virgin birth,

      Ideological I do not agree with Republicans ultra right-wing party, GOP politics is all about it’s identity politics and stirring up all kind of hate, Republicans never ever talk about actual policy or governance,
      And they are fully committed to Trump’s lies about the 2020 election and dashing from one mad lie to another. Nor do I support Democrats President-elect Joe Biden policy , there will not be a single progressive in his Cabinet the like of Bernie Sanders, and He had a very strong following among Democratic voters and particularly progressives. He was not treated fairly by the Democratic establishment and its media allies, the like CNN and ABC ,No surprise

      President Donald Trump still refuses to acknowledge the results of the election . President Trump continued to spout conspiracy theories about voter fraud, falsely claiming that he had defeated President-elect Joe Biden.” That was the lede of a news story in the December 5thWashington Post . Evidence is not needed, nor is proof, nor convincing arguments. He is distorting the political realities. Always fake news and “scandal” after another , Conspiracy theories about “voter fraud” voting irregularities …, ballot mishandling, As for material evidence? They have been unable to present even one iota of actual evidence and 50 [failed] lawsuits

      as reported Limbaugh was speaking with a listener who was consumed by a fantasy that the host and other members of right-wing media helped to create. Just a few days earlier, Limbaugh had declared, “There’s simply no way Joe Biden was legitimately elected president. I just can’t believe it. I do not believe it.

      in claiming that the coronavirus pandemic and/or measures to contain it were all a giant conspiracy? they downplayed what they were doing , promoting and dealing with the coronavirus crisis by pursuing a strategy of “herd immunity,” deliberately spreading the coronavirus to try to infect as many people as possible,
      right-wing media eroded faith and trust in scientists and in actual data during this pandemic,
      Defeated Vice President Mike Pence got the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Friday .Here is why he is a hypocrite. Pence, Who Backed Muslim Visa Ban, Gets Vaccine Invented by Muslim Immigrants, Pls see the link

      https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/19/pence-who-backed-muslim-visa-ban-gets-vaccine-invented-muslim-immigrants

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Said,

        Did you find any factual errors in what I posted?

        By the way, why don’t you publish a book, it could be a best seller? You have the potential.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Said,

        Did you find any factual errors in my post?

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam All,

    ጅንታው የትነው የተደበቀው ሲሉ ጀምረዋል ደርጋውያን:: ወይጉድ! Didn’t we told them that retreat is not a defeat. Didn’t they told them that their fight will continue, and will reset the war at their own choice of time. ለክብርህንና ለመሰልህን የምትዋጋው ጦርነት: በዚህ ቀን ይጨርሳል ብለህ ማመን: የጦርነቱ ባህርይ አለማወቅ ነው::

    • Nitricc

      Hi Aman-H; I am responding to you, not that you any substance but because you made me lough. Really? lol. Maybe they are dead. It amazes me that for you to think people in their 50,60 and 70 to wage a cave struggle, in face it exposes your futility.
      The people of Tigray are free, finally thanks to PMAA and PIA. take the bitter pill and swallow it with out water. lol. even if the Ethiopian forces can’t locate and destroy your heroes, nature will. it is only about time before they will runout of medicines and dippers. lol wow.

    • Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

      Where did tplf retreat? Among the people and in caves. Is it different from hiding after a defeat, when a fighting force runs away from the battle field and disperses among the people and hides in caves?

      Are they regrouping? No sign for that, because the federal forces are everywhere, in the cities and even the countryside is monitored. They are following the movement of the junta by drones, and other means. If they dare come out of their rat holes in the mountains they are hiding in, they will be an easy target. How can they regroup when they have no contact with the population, they can’t train or arm them, the major part of their force has surrendered, and the people of Tigray are happy tplf is defeated, they feel free and they are not going to follow tplf anymore, from what we see.
      If Tigrayans support tplf, do you think that they wouldn’t have revolted? Where is the support? The provisional government is doing its job without any problem, people are interested in electricity, phone and water connections, they care about peace and their businesses forgetful of tplf.

      Is tplf going to re-engage the federal forces? They have lost their heavy ammunition, their special forces, militias and the support of the people of Tigray. The senile leaders are incapable to do anything, they are a problem than a solution, they didn’t replace the leadership with new blood from the people, because tplf was a family business, etc, which means young tigrayans are not going to follow the old who are at the end of their lives.

      More than paying for planting a bomb and carrying out assassinations as insurgents until the looted money runs out or tplf leaders are herded to prison, they are not going to do anything more, and they will not dare to face the federal army anymore.

      They didn’t retreat. On the contrary they run away not to fight back, but to save their lives. Where is the battle front now? What more is tplf going to do when it could do nothing with more than 250K fighters, armed to the teeth with heavy ammunition. As much as guerilla warfare is concerned the 21st is the exact opposite of the 1960s and 70s, when the cold war helped liberation fronts flourish. Today they are an anathema, hated by all world power, and liberation fronts are seen as terrorists.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Horizon,

        I think Tensae predicted it well. He said the TPLF will go out like the Tamil Tigers. The Tigers controlled most of the region after years of liberation war but until the Sri-Lankan army finally crushed the movement.

        The Tigers were really autocratic and have become so arrogant and they terrorize their population they controlled and in far places. People feared them, and they knew what will awaits them once liberation achieved.

        I think the TPLF faith will be similar specially when things settled and get back to normal.

        Just like the Tigers no body will remember them…

        Berhe

        • Hashela

          Selam Berhe

          Couple days ago, PMAA estimated the size of TPLF army about 80,000. If we take these numbers at face value, it means TPLF was able to retreat to the mountains with approximately 1/3 of the original size of their army which was estimated to about 250,000.

          An army of 80,000 fighters and a province that is historically restive, a pacification of Tigray in the very near future is too optimistic.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashala,

            Starting with your last question So what are they fighting for?.

            I have not seen any answer to this question. I asked similar question to Aman Y., and others, no body seems to know or doesn’t’ want to reveal it. My guess is they don’t know.

            I have seen other goals, like what you posted by some Ph.d. Abay Tigray combined with Eritrea. Give then other favorable options you listed,

            i) separate using article (which I have never seen it mentioned, ever) 39
            ii) stay within Ethiopia and participate in the democratic process (still a favorable situation considering how well they developed Tigray as you noted).

            Going back to the 80,000 estimated army who retreated to the mountains, I find it a little bit exaggerated. I would be surprised if they have 10,000 fighting army. I say this because when EPLF entered Eritrea, it had about 90K, which include all the fighters and the children, wives, civilians, and supported stuff. May be the fighters were no more than 30K.

            Sustaining 80K army is a huge task and no matter how much money they have stashed away, they will run out, specially with the currency that’s converted.

            And the hardest part will be logistics, specially fuel? How would they import, if Sudan and Eritrea will not cooperate and supply them.

            And what are they going to achieve in the end, liberate Tigray, which they can already do without fighting if that’s the people wanted.

            The other reason is to fight the Federal Army and hopefully manage to weaken and over throw eventually like what happened to the Derg. But that’s leaves a big factory in the equation, there are no Eritrean force, Oromo, Amhara and others fighting the regime.

            So going back to the main question, what is the best outcome for Tigray today considering where things are today?

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Berhe

            My advise would be: swallow your outsized pride, come back from the mountains to your warm home before the next rain season, and be a productive member of Ethiopia and play a constructive role in Ethiopia’s politics. Always remember that i) Tigray’s population makes only 5-6% of Ethiopia’s population, and ii) Tigray’s wealth contribution to Ethiopia’s wealth is insignificant. So be grateful to Ethiopia.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Hashela,
            Could you care to explain your comment? Your comments implies that Berhe is Ethiopia–have I missed something?

            Berhe, could you explain Hashela’s comment.

            NB: it doesn’t matter the citizenship or identity of people, but before I comment further, I need the background for this comment.

            Thank you both

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            I thought it was self evident to whom I was referring.
            Heeding your valued advise, I added a word that clarifies the apparent confusion you had.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Your advice is a little bit too late. TPLF cease to exist except in the minds of the confused supporters .

            Have you seen the pile of the armament the militia is returning to the federal police and army?
            This is happening in villages small and big.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I was stunned by the discovery of the underground fuel tanks that stored about 200,000 liters fuel.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I’m really optimistic about the future. The late Tplf thugs left behind trucks loaded with ammunition and food when they run to their caves.
            With no escape routes to a neighboring country, and there is nothing left to fight for, they will definitely be captured and face justice. We don’t know how many of them have already died and captured.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            With enough ኮሮሾ, sufficient cave drip water, highland donkeys as fuel efficient vehicle, and a small pig farm as an insulin source for the diabetic leadership, they are hoping for turmoils in other parts of Ethiopia and Eritrea. They alway need a river water to carry them to their final destination!!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            You let me down when you say “frugally rationed” in regard to the late Tplf thugs.
            They forgot the concept of frugality and rationing long ago.
            These guys have had everything in plenty for the last 28 years. It takes years to unlearn those things that they took for granted.
            I see them fighting for the drop of water in the caves.

            The ten million Birr available for grabs is a great motivation for anyone who has a little information on their whereabouts.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hashela, what stunned me was what i saw today. There was a statue in Amara killil that was removed today. How do the people of Amara allowed the statue to be placed in the first place? I can’t not believe it. I hope Abiy can shade a light on this one. I let you watch the clip or just watch the picture.

            ሃውልቱ ፈረሰ፤ አንገት መድፋት ቀረ!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mo32K2YehI

          • Abi

            General
            Those who approved the statute were the mouthpiece of Tplf the likes of በረከት ስምኦን and አዲሱ ለገሰ:: The people always opposed the purpose of the statute.

            The name of ግንቦት 20 ባህር ዳር airport has also changed recently to በላይ ዘለቀ airport.
            Only Meles Zenawi መቃብር will remain the same.

          • Nitricc

            Ras Abiy; i was stunned. You can’t disrespect people like that. wow.

          • Abi

            General
            Look where their arrogance got them? Back in the dark cave.
            ሃውልቱ ሲፈርስ እነሱ አንገታቸውን ደፍተው ወደ ቀድሞው ዋሻቸው::

          • Nitricc

            Ras Abiy; i got you but this is too much. I mean how dumb can one be? Well, the Amara is up and awake.

          • Abi

            General
            They are so dumb that they went from riches to rugs in record times. They run 700 kms in 15 days backwards.
            I like to know the type of energy drink they consumed during the run.

          • Nitricc

            They run 700 kms in 15 days backwards.
            I like to know the type of energy drink they consumed during the run.

            Ras Abiy, if i was an Ethiopian from Amara, that statue will be my power drink and that what it was. I have never known that statue existed but i have no idea why the Amara tolerated this long. Now the people of Amara should clean the house, get rid of the Amara officials. They have let down their own people. Now i understand what Asaminew Tshige was all about. Respect my man, Asaminew is a hero. I hope the Amara people gives him his preps. He understood what was up.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Looking at the video Nitricc shared, what was the purpose of the statue?

            When I saw the statue in Arsi I think, I thought it was someone open hand raising/ lifting up something. I didn’t know, what it was until Horizon explained it one day.

            For all the great leader Melles was and visionary leaders

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I like to forward your comment to the known worshippers of Meles the visionary leader. What is happening in Tigray at this moment is the result of his visionary leadership.
            Since it is Sunday, I like to share with you what ትንቢተ ኢሳያስ says about adulterous people who worship their idols.
            “All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless. Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame .” (Isaiah 44:9)

            Leicester City 2
            Tottenham 0

          • Hashela

            Hey Nitricc

            This is truly stunning.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Hashela; think what they could have done to break the spinal cord of the Eritreans? Now you know why I fought so hard against the thugs. the plan for Eritrea was a special one. I am just glad i didn’t have to the caves to right the wrong. the danger was real.

          • Nitricc

            My advice to TPLF would be: swallow your outsized pride,

            Where is the confusion? I am lost. is this the orginal or did you made any change?

          • Abi

            Hashela
            This is the Great Bob Marley
            https://youtu.be/QrY9eHkXTa4
            Sing with me, brother!

          • Aman Y.

            Hi Hashela,
            You asked the forum what the TPLF wants. As Berhe said no one knows what TPLF wants. The only thing one can do is speculate and reason. What ever issues we have against TPLF that doesn’t change the reality. And trust me I have a couple of them.

            Now, coming back to your question, in my opinion they might ask for a Confederation with Ethiopia.

            Thanks

          • Abi

            Aman
            Why didn’t they demand confederation two years ago while they were intact?
            What is this በትኖ መልቀም?

          • Aman Y.

            Hi Abi,

            The speculation is based on what transpired recently.

          • Abi

            Aman
            What transpired recently that led you to believe confederation is what the late Tplf demands?
            What am I missing?
            Please share.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Abi,

            It was a response to someone who asked me ,what else can they do, if they could not use article 39,

            My take on these is based on my observation of the peoples sentiment and Eritrean independence experience. TPLF still can use its soft power and diplomacy even economy, if they have stashed abroad.
            General Belay said they were using the same hardware. Abiy said somebody tried to mess the Drones satellite connection and there had been major cyber attack. TPLF started with seven people and seven weapons. That is how I arrived to my speculation.

            Thanks

          • Hashela

            “ TPLF started with seven people and seven weapons. That is how I arrived to my speculation.”

            and they gambled and lost everything. It seems they followed the neo-con economic model that says “greed is good”

          • Aman Y.

            Hashela
            I am talking about the people of Tigray.

          • Hashela

            Selam Aman
            No, you were talking about TPLF. Reread your post!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Where is መምህር ኃይለ? The place is boring without him.

          • Hashela

            I think he took offense when his harmless post was deleted

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hashela; they deleted Haile’s post? OMG. I guess they have to protect the ……you know what. They have been deleting my posts but what they forget is right or wrong, we made this site where it is, because with out clashing view-points and diversity then it will serve to a group thinking. My advice to awate-team is, i know you didn’t ask for my advice it but, take it easy, I grow up on this site and i am attached very much it does mean you are my life and i can’t live with out your this site. respect your forum participants. What gets me is that you are welling to to tolerate weyane digitals but you get all banged up when some one supports the government of Eritrea. What you forgot is, this Eritrean web-site. so, go head and delete it and let it be and good luck protecting the endangered species. Good night and good luck.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I have noticed some of his comments were unnecessary deleted by the moderator. I have read all his deleted comments. None of them were offensive.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            That is why I said „harmless“.

          • Abi

            Aman
            Why do you expect them to succeed using soft power while they are collectively a proven failures with all the tanks and banks under their control ?

          • Aman Y.

            hi Abi

            The possibility for Tgray people, to have influence. Their history is war, rebeling and revolutions. I don’t expect them to be dormant. And the next generation will have the advantage of prior knowledge i.e. hard and soft power. Possibilities…

          • Abi

            Aman
            I believe the best approach for the people of Tigray is to become equal partners in Ethiopian affairs. This rebellious “influencing “ others and rebellious nature is not going to work in the future.

          • Selam Abi,

            Tigray is not a sovereign state or country, but part of the federal state of Ethiopia. For example, the EU is a confederation of sovereign countries. They have a loose union, foreign policy, economic policy, defense, etc, and any of the countries could withdraw from the union anytime, from what i can understand.

            The question is, can Tigray enter a confederation with Ethiopia at this point, from being a federal state of Ethiopia, as if it is a sovereign country? I think that the constitution says certain things as to the conditions under which a regional state can ask for the implementation of article 39 to secede, the people of Ethiopia have a say on this, ⅔ should agree, and the government can even invoke sovereignty of the country not to allow leaving the federation, etc, from what i remember. (these are just a few things i remember. Could be wrong. Sorry, i have no time to read the constitution. Others may chip in for more information).

            I am sure that tplf would have invoked article 39, if it were so easy. I don’t think that the economy is the only impediment for tplf.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I don’t know if the rest of Ethiopia need to provide the majority for article 39 to be invoked. For example if the Tigray date decides then it will need to hold referendum. For example, that’s what happened in Quebec, Scotland.

            To me it was just a guarantee, if TPLF decides to leave, while it still in power and use it and leave under favorable condition for it, like having the boarder defined, having wealth, military hardware transferred etc.

            They got caught while their pants down and invoking it now would leave them empty handed so their tried to maximize their share.

            Berhe

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Berhe,

            You said it well.
            What. What do you foresee for the people of Tigray, Considering the history mainly and other factors attained the last few decades?

          • Hashela

            Aman

            Until Berhe come back to you.
            The future of Tigray is with Ethiopia, in good and bad times. If Tigrayan elites decide for a different model, they are doing it not for the Tigrayan people but for themselves.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Hashela,

            I can go with that, but how? With an appointed G. from Aratt Kilo? My dilemma is based on history.

            thanks

          • Abi

            Hashela
            What?
            When was the visionary leaders of Tigray ever did anything honorable for the ordinary people?
            They used and abused the people.

          • Aman Y.

            Abi,

            How about they relieved them from the Yoke of the Derg. I have been there two times with in the last five years. I volunteered with a Medical team to serve the Eritrean Refugees. I was astounded by the development from Axum to Mai Tsebri. The people look happy and busy. The only weapons I saw were at a check point between Shire and my Tsebri. I do not believe TPLFS are saints, but they deserve some credit.

            thankss

          • Abi

            Aman
            True, they relieved them from Derg. However, the ordinary people relived the derg times under the Tplf leadership.
            There must be a reason why the federal army walked 700 kms in just 15 days with no resistance from the public.

          • Aman Y.

            Hashela

            What is your assurance?

          • Hashela

            Aman

            There is no assurance. By affirmatively embracing Ethiopia and constructively working for and with Ethiopia, Tigray will solidify its position within a democratic Ethiopia.
            Embrace also the democratic reality that Tigray with a population of 4-5 million can not dictate its will to 105 million Ethiopians .

          • Aman Y.

            Hashela,

            I would agree if they arrange a special arrangement. They don not have too dictate, but don’t you think, it has to be different than like Afar and Guemuz.

          • Hashela

            Aman

            This is the quote of the year.

            In 12/20/2020 at 11:30 AM PST, you, Aman Y., said “I would agree if they arrange a special arrangement. They don not have too dictate, but don’t you think, it has to be different than like Afar and Guemuz”

            You are an honest man! You exposed the main problem of Tigrayan elites. They tell you that Tigrayans are special people and deserve a special treatment.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Hashela,

            Thank you for the quote ranking. It will be considered a Christmas gift.

            Responding to your comment, contrary to your allege, my comments are based on the Eritrean people and elites experiences. If you replace Tigrians with Eritrean in your comment, you might be talking about Eritrea in the 1950 to 80’s. If the Eritrean case had been dealt earlier, we wouldn’t have lost all these lives. Political solutions should be way forward. Be aware of the driving force elites.

            Mengistu tried የራስ ገዝ but that was to late. The people had enough. Every similar possible scenarios have to be thought of and deterred.

            thanks

          • Hashela

            Selam Aman

            How on Earth is your request for a special arrangement and special treatments of Tigrayans within Ethiopia is “based on the Eritrean people and elites experiences.“?
            It is getting more and more bizarre,

          • Selam Hashela,

            It is unbelievable when Ethiopians are told that some of them are inferior to Tigrayans, if not all. As if three decades of tplf dictatorship, anti-ethiopianism and treason are not enough, tplf still believes that it’s a collection of superior human beings, an aryan race, worth to be revered and respected. The ungrateful Ethiopians, as some of them call them, should treat Tigrayans as a superior race even today after tplf is dead and buried, and when it couldn’t enforce upon them anymore with its gun as it used to do over three decades.
            I don’t think that this is the opinion of the ordinary people of Tigray, but that of the elites. It is an insult to injury. When Ethiopians are doing their best to forgive and forget the atrocities, and when tplf should have apologized to the Ethiopian people, on the contrary, it is showing them its contempt for Ethiopians, and how much unrepentant it is.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            I don’t know how people in Tigray see themselves. Within the social media active Diaspora, the notion that Tigrayan people are special people is wide-spread. It is interesting to note that their messaging in Tigrina and English is completely different.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Hashela,

            The problem with Ethiopians (menus Tigrayans) has always been the language barrier and its semantics, for otherwise they would’ve figured it out from the onset (1991) that TPLF espouses no good intentions to the rest of Ethiopia. The same thing applies in this site as well! They miss out big time in deciphering coded messages by not mastering Tigrigna.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Aman Y.,

            Let me take your comment at face value and let me see it differently how you meant it.

            I think you are saying, how is it possible to treat the states in Ethiopia which are “advanced” compared with others who are less “advanced” equally.

            I am using the term “advanced” to mean, in education, business, military, history, economic and political contribution, population etc. the advanced could be Oromo, Amhara, Tigray, etc in different areas, where the fairness, I think is what you are asking, although you were specific to Tigray.

            Let me assume that’s the case, and it’s true.

            I think this is true in most federal countries and they have ways and means to solve it.

            At the root of the solution is the believe and the fact that all humans are equal, and given the opportunity, they will be able to achieve the same.

            It may be different from one society to another society what it means advanced, some see being a worrier may be advanced but others may believe being peaceful may be better.

            So if we look at the US as an example, California which has the highest population and others advanced in technology and education it contribute a lot to the national economy. But when it comes to number of seats in the senate it gets only 2 seats like every other stare. North and South Dakota get 4 with a combined population less than 1.5 million while California is almost 40 million.

            Is it may be not, but why should a person gets more privilege because where he or she is born. If you dropped to individual level, if a person is born in California or Dakota, they are equal.

            So what countries do is come up with equalization formula which distribution of wealth equally to give fair share from the tax collected, or revenue generated to balance the living standard of everyone. And it brings and harmony to the well being of the society and over all peaceful coexistence.

            Warren Buffet said, when he was advocating for the rich to pay equal share of the taxes, he said “the fact that I was born in the United States is why I am able to do what I do, if I was born in Bangladesh for example, I would not able to get so rich.”

            Where I live there is equalization formula where the federal government distribute taxes, and some states are called “the haves” and others are called “have nots” and the idea is over time the “have nots” to be able to develop their state through education, technology advancement, discovering natural resources etc., to advance their population.

            In short instead of the population migrate to the other haves, they will stay in their state and help it develop.

            Berhe

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aman Y.

            The Ethiopian people can learn two things from Eritrean people experience.

            TPLF failed to learn from EPLF when they retreated during the 6 th offense (key kokeb Zemecha). They pack everything they had and left and went to Nacfa and Sahel. Where it was extremely difficult area with mountains. TPLF waited to the last minute and based on what they left behind, it seemed they were not prepared for that possibility.

            Abiy/Federal government:
            I hope they learn from Deng failure of key kokeb and leave alone the TPLF who run away and build development and peace in Tigray. The last thing they want is, in an attempt of chasing the TPLF leaders, things to go wrong and harm befallen to the people, who would resent them and side with TPLF and support the insurgency.

            People of Tigray:
            I think it’s hard to accept, but the people of Tigray should draw from experience of other. What comes in mind is, the surrender of Japan to the allies after WWII. TPLF had created enemy of everyone around them, and it will be very hard to sustain. Amhara, Eritrea, Oromo, even Sudan (I saw a video the Sudanese military taken over some lands).

            The ambition we will be the Israel of the region will bring nothing but misery for everyone and I doubt they can win. There is no ones and it does not benefit anyone, most of all the people of Tigray.

            The best option is, they should find a way to channel this energy towords peaceful means (like Japan and Germany have done) get their people out of poverty and backwardness.

            Still they are best positioned to do so, compared to all others around them.

            Berhe

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Berhe,

            I can relate to your approach. I have driven the rugged road from Keren to Karura through Afabet, Nakfa and Mahmimet; No one would have a problem to understand how EPLF survived. Though, I do not expect similar retreat to happen in Tigray, there is nothing to rule it out. We do not have the whole 250,000 soldiers accounted.

            The Federal went a little far off Kokeb Zemecha: Bombing cities, the displacement, profiling etc. It is not going to be erased from the people’s mind soon. The federal could have done a better job. They failed the main reason of the operation of arrest. And I don’t take “the people are happy staff”. That was what side also when EPLF retreated from the cities.

            Finally, who do you mean are in a best position the people or TPLF leaders?

            thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aman,

            It’s hard to know what the damage is until an honest evaluation happened.

            I don’t know the exact damage but any damage is too much.

            The question, they are where they are now. What’s the best way for the people of Tigray to move forward.

            This I think needs to be left for the people to figure it out but honest assessment will be needed if to come up with best possible solution, such as asking what got them to this position in the first place.

            I don’t think conflict will be the best solution for the people long term.

            I was thinking the people of Tigray are in relative better position to take advantage of the reform or any progress the country would undertake. It may not be as good as before, but if the region embark under new goal of development plan, cooperation versus confronting and focus its energy towards good will it has the potential to transform. For example, it’s relationship with Eritrea. I think the population is in much better condition, to prosper.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Selam Aman Y.

            What would Ethiopia gain from a confederation with Tigray?

          • Aman Y.

            May be culture, history peace…….if not confederation, federation would be the next option. Whether it is TPLF’s, or the people of Tigray lead by another Woyane organizatin. First Woyane was bombed by Haileslasie in 1942 by Britain planes using Yemen Air port.

          • Hashela

            The last time TPLF bombed Eritrea was less than 2-3 weeks ago.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Hashela; this for you before i concluded on here.and here is my gift for you. respect my brother.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEl_Np1oXko&has_verified=1

          • Hashela

            Thank you Nitricc

            It is a nice way to sum up TPLF’s adventurism and TPLF’s miserable life termination. Like the end of a highly mortal pandemic, TPLF’s political end is celebrated across the entire Horn of Africa. This says everything.
            Respect to you for standing firm, principled and true to yourself. Your farsightedness about the unceremonious end of TPLF was conveniently interpreted as the hallucinations of a crazy soldier. Now, you are fully vindicated and those who ridiculed you and your sharp intellect are consumed by shame and utter defeat and most of them disappeared without saying Good Bye. Respect my Brother.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear pro. Amuni,

      Yes Amuni,

      Who did you think we talk to? The men outside the war zone.

      “ኣብ ኲናት ዘይወዓለ በሊሕ” ይብሉ ዓድና። Please, see when we all discussed when the war was starting… visit back and we argue and talk to those who are not participating in this cruel war.

      We were sure of the war will end in this way. To see Ethiopia dismantled is not our wish since ever. Dr.Abiy got the upper hand by just talking lies all the time + ISSUE ShaEbia (not all the fighters) +Emirati Armed Drones + FANO or Fanno, is an Amharan youth group in Ethiopia + Sudan boarder was closed by the agreement ETC ….And he has also organized IT group following this war..He op”enly told us that he is following the leadership of TPLF through his IT drones..HA HA… He did not give them any chance..Everything was fast..

      Now,ሕጂ ዶ ይሓይሽ?

      KS,,

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Kokhobay,

        Indeed “ኲናት ዘይወዓለ በሊሕ” and those who hasn’t seen a war in their lives, are strategizing both the war of attrition and annihilation, quantifying the number of the armies and setting the logistics required, reading the desires of the Tigray people from thousands of miles away. I am having a fun.

        Regards

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Amanuel
          May be you are having fun from the comfort of your home in the USA. For the runaway Tplf ጁንታ, the sky is falling on them.
          Correction
          They will never see the sky any longer. They are hiding in caves until their total demise.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo.

            For your information, Pro,,Amanuel knows what the war is as he was a fighter the field of Eritrea

            KS,,.. .

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            Thanks for the information. Now I know why he is having fun.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhobay,

            የአቢ ዘራፍ መጨረሻ የለውም

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; well, here it goes. Samual Adanoy did it once more.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNty1Nr6gZU

    • Abi

      Hello General
      Let me introduce you to Tagel Seifu. https://youtu.be/6Ljf3XODe7w

      • Hashela

        Hashela

        2: 1 for Tagel Seifu !!!

        • Abi

          Hashela
          Tagel is in a different league:) https://youtu.be/mpOh3wjOSTU
          መልካም ገና ከነቤተሰብህ

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Thank you. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas time to you and your family. Christmas is my family’s favorite holiday with baking, cooking, and mulled wine, chimney fire, Christmas tree and light decoration.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            የቐንየለይ
            My fireplace has been busy for a while now. The holiday is going to be quiet this time around. Only the four of us and the dog.
            Good thing is there is soccer everyday. Everyone is staying at home. The boys and I are behaving ourselves:)
            The Boss is around:)

          • Hashela

            Abi

            How similar! The only expectation on me during this week of the year is to be quiet and behave. No critical question is tolerated!!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I’m in a better position than you:)
            1- I never asked a critical question in my life.
            2- I learned to say እሺ የኔ እመቤት very early. ( way back at በግ ተራ)

          • Hashela

            Abi

            How cruel of you. By submitting yourself so early, you deprived her of her natural drive to taming:)

          • Abi

            Hashela
            እንደ ጎንደሬ መግደርደር ነበረብኝ?
            እኔ ስግደረደር ብታመልጠኝስ? ሞኝህን ፈልግ:)

  • Nitricc

    Hi all: I was watching one of the endless Ethiopian youtuber and he brought a very interesting point. he asked, to whom is the 10 million dollars bounty? to Deprestion, Getchew Asefa, Reda, Abay Tshaye? That is very creative work by Ethiopian government. So, i started to think and the Ethiopian government have no intention awarding the money to anyone. I think the Ethiopian government knows that all the TPLF members are either captured or dead. If the government announces that he captured say Desrestion or Getchew Asefa, then it will get publication and the pressure to bring them to justice and to the court of law. So, to avoid this, the Government of Ethiopia went out and Offred the bounty just to say, they are not in my hand. Because the Ethiopian constitution orders any one who is accused of crime, needs brought to courts in 48 hours, to avoid this the government of Ethiopia offered this bounty having no intention to paying out. Very cleaver.

  • Selam All

    Those who spent years slicing and dicing ethiopia and dividing and undermining her with tplf on ethnic grounds, are doing the same thing now to eritrea. They are dividing her on religious, muslims and christians, and geographic, highland and low-land, grounds.
    Ethiopia’s problem was internal, in that, it was on ethnic background, while eritrea’s division is worse, because it is on religious grounds as well. Remember, there are foreign actors who believe that eritrea is part of the arab world, because some eritreans told them so. Therefore, these people who are hellbent to divide everybody and everything for the sake of tplf, despite what they may say, have come with a sinister plan for eritrea after the death of tplf whom they used to serve. Eritreans should be extremely careful.
    “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you,” Friedrich Nietzsche
    (Sorry for intervening. The dividing line between ethiopian and eritrean affairs are not yet clear.)

    • Dis Donc

      Dear Horizon,

      One of the most diving force in the making of modern states is the acceptance of human rights and what pertains to it. This in turn eventually gives way to secular societies with science and critical thinking being the harbinger. And one of the biggest mistakes of modern Ethiopia was its secular concept didn’t reach its far corners when the ragtag army of TPLF rolled into Addis and beyond. We all know the recipe that TPLF prescribed for the country. The Eritreans will eventually figure it out themselves the hard way.

      Dear saay,

      Like most Eritreans here you have a neglectful opinion of Ethiopia. Or you are aseptic to the truth. As you didn’t know, under Abby, Tigray and all the other regions were left as auto-governing communities whereby each were to fend for itself. Even when TPLF incited cross-border violence, resulting in many killing sprees in other regions, the central gov’t tolerated up to the point of being accuse as a willful neglect. Including when TPLF attacked the NC, the central gov’t gave a blind eye to the whole thing, hoping that it will resolve itself. Things became intolerable when the NC was held hostage and isolated to die of starvation, with ration being cutoff. What most (including Herman Cohen, who now confessed) do not know is that even when all these were happening the central gov’t was negotiating with the TPLF to release the army so that NC abandons Tigray and in turn Tigray calls for article 39. After weeks of strife the army saw it that it can’t go on like that and declared war to recapture the bases. And that is all! But of course you are enamored with the western societies where they invade other countries to avert internal crisis. Please don’t bother responding as our dislike is mutual!

      • Hashela

        Selam Dis Donc

        “…the central gov’t was negotiating with the TPLF to release the army so
        that NC abandons Tigray and in turn Tigray calls for article 39.”
        This is a radical offer. Do have you publicly accessible and verifiable evidence for this claim?

        • Dis Donc

          Dear Hashela,

          It is a chronicle of events which is found in a transcript format. The transcript is delivered to IOC and will be released accordingly!

      • Aman Y.

        Dear Dis Donc,

        Think you, you mean “a driving force”. If you mean modern by secularism, the dispensation will take ages if not for ever. The Ethiopian and Eritrean people are almost 100% religious. Unlike Isayas, Meles and Abiy now are paying attention.

        Regarding NC

        The Ethiopian war was declared after the Tigryan election and the suspension of Tigrays fund by Abiy. Both started getting ready building their forces. And Abiy tried to move a General who was instrumental in catching the Sumalies Region, including the president. According to Getachew, in an interview aired a week before the war, he said TPLF was negotiating with NC. On a later interview, and after the war started, he said some of the NC agreed to fight with them, some “signiifcant or large numbers” fled to Eritrea and some others decided to fight fought against TPLF. Besides, Abiy and Isayas were showing of their hardware and building two other commands, Why did they advertise that? Any way, This is what he said was the reason that forced them to take the attack.

        N,B, Did you say you know who I am?

        thanks

        • Nitricc

          Aman-Y; that is not true. The night before the attack, Deprestion called PMAA and asked for emergency financial help and PMAA send 3 billion Birr the next day early morning. TPLF tried to still the money once in the airport and it was saved by federal soldiers in a shootout. If PMAA was planing to attack why would he send that much money? The whole thing was planed and PMAA was tricked to the brim.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Nitric,

            Your story does not change the narrative. If they had already planned to attack the next day, the money request may have been part of the attack. I am just saying, not condoning. የፈሪ ዱላ ቀዳሚና ክፉ ነው

            ይጠብቀን

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            Can you please provide the source for what you are saying? If you don’t have it, it is better to say “so-and-so claimed.” Thank you

          • Nitricc

            Hey SJ; sure here it goes. I can give you what happened in Alula air port.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XoBGczNA1o

          • Saleh Johar

            Really Nitricc?
            You get me the government side and want me to buy it? You did but others question such statements. Forget it Nitricc it’s a waste of energy

        • Dis Donc

          Just saw this comment of yours. Please stay tuned… as i have been busy with things.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Dis Donc,

            You must be close to the source. In any case, I have nothing against your narration, except you left the a few important occurrences.

            National TV broadcasters transmitted a documentary targeting only Tigryans and calling them ጅቦች and the imprisonment started
            In retrospect, he could have caught the criminals (if they are) smartly with less loss. This war coasted Ethiopia extremely high. A lot of deaths and destructions. To save this, they should have been sentenced in absentia. Then, the current bounty could have served better.
            Besides being alienated by ” Oromara” and the deal with Isayas, left them in the dark. Just to add to your account.

            thanks

          • Dis Donc

            Morning Aman Y.,

            You’re funny, really! As I said and I’m putting lightly, you hang out with the wrong crowd. TPLF from the get go had one goal and that was to sow the seeds of mistrust among differing factions. And what serves better in an ethnically aligned policial environment, for that?! When Abby does something good, TPLF twists facts and feeds it to, say, OLF. An example of this is what you mentioned (something copied from Johar) about the parading being a war theatrics. Or the currency changes,…. At the same time, it tells the Tigrayans that everybody hates them because they are Tegaru. To have immunity, for these few bloodthirsty core TPLF bunches, they had a quick election in which 100% victory is declared. Most Tegaru (Tigrinya speaking Eritreans included as well) were sold to the idea of ethnicity and ethnic fear monger ideas. Nobody talks about the need for good governance, progress, education, pandemia, etc….

            In short, what we call a bad behavior and an abhorrent exercise is something that is very common and practiced in a TPLF dominated Tigray. The center lost patient and didn’t want to have anything to do with TPLF and its appointees. Not because of hate or dislike for Tigrayans. What is considered an indictable offense is very common practice in a TPLF dominated environment. In short, what Tigray needs is a change in direction in every sense. And to that end, no one begrudges them if they choose to go on their own.

            Isu being in the mix is something that needs its own separate take.

  • Dade Desta

    Selam @awate.com,
    While praising the carefully reporting tradition of this website, I see the hesitation to carry the fact that Eritrean forces are fighting inside Tigray. In fact, they are the major forces of looting and destruction. It would have been easier for everyone, had the Tigray defense forces released a footage to confirm that. They hadn’t. But that doesn’t mean we need to doubt all other evidence. Ethiopia has admitted. G. Mesfin Hagos has detailed and named them. Many Eritrean diaspora media have reported the same. Prof Awte W. has displayed his evidence of Eritrea’s participation in the war. EU berief papers have told us about it early on. US has finally come not just to confirm but to ask Eritrea to leave immediately. You also have a duty to establish the factuality on your own ways. The “I didn’t see footage, there I doubt it happened” is not they we do journalism. It is our duty to find and dig out. But then you don’t carelessly through lines of doubt on such stuff with a lot of implications. The only side that is denying the presence of Eritrea in Tigray is the party itself that is being accused of taking part in this war. And then, how is this difficult for awate.com to know this wth all its ears eyes and ears in the region.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Dade,
      I didn’t see what you quoted “ The “I didn’t see footage, therefor, I doubt it happened” on the post. In fact it admitted the overwhelming evidence suggesting Eritreans are part of it. However, it also mentioned the counter argument to that. It’s not the duty of awate to speculate based on anecdotal evidence. But don’t forget the timeline when it was posted. And in such a situation, developments are fast and many additional information came to light. So, if a hard evidence appears tomorrow, don’t accuse awate for not knowing it before it came to the open. However, the question remains : why is it difficult for six million Tigrayans, a formidable intelligence outfit with decades of experience , and a government that run Ethiopia since 1992, to come with an evidence? That’s the kind of questions journalists ask. And going forward, that should serve as a constructive criticism and not a disservice to the truth. But rest assured we do not enjoy the disaster meted on the people of Tigray or anyone else. Thank you

      • Dade Desta

        Kibur Aya Saleh,
        The quote is not a direct reference to your statement. The quote represents what I thought you implied in the story. Why I put in quotation is because I am using a sentence as an adjective (qualifier). That said, this report misses the core essence. What would good would be any report about the war on Tigray if you needlessly question the presence of Eritrea’s army and what it isis doing in there? It is an army readied to kill, destroy, loot and rape Tigreans. This is happening in the open. This is truly a big history, albeit a black one. This will be a burden on all of us. It will be difficult for Tigreans to shake it off for many years to come. Eritreans will suffer for the same reason. It is a lose-lose situation.

        • Abi

          Hello Dade Desta
          What I do not understand is why the sophisticated Tplf organization failed to provide a single photo as a supporting document. Wasn’t it the same Tplf that showed us the shooting down of the Ethiopian fighter jet during the current war?
          The same Tplf who made a documentary out of the Hawzen incident 30 years ago failed to take a single photo in this day and age is beyond my comprehension. Help me reconcile the two.
          Thanks .

          • Selam Abi,

            It is war propaganda meant to mislead, confuse and to create a false image of the so-called enemy. It was to convey the message to others that it was a regional war, with the the aim to get support from foreign powers. The soldiers are supposed to fight harder and the people to support the war effort.

            Lies cannot be proved to be the truth by the liar, because they are two opposite things, and therefore, tplf cannot bring a proof to support its lies. Whatever they may bring will prove their lies, and it will be to their disadvantage. It is much easier to claim their lies as the truth, rather than trying to prove the nonexistent Eritrean participation in this war, as if they were in the battle field with Ethiopian forces.

            Digital-wayane was created for this purpose; to lie, confuse, mislead and create a false angelical image of the evil tplf. We have seen them on this site, although they deny that they are digital. They are waiting for tplf’s resurrection from the dead.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            No looting happened by the Ethiopian army. No looting happened by Eritrean army because the army did not cross the border to Ethiopia.
            Tplf and its activists are trying to implicate the Eritrean refugees by fabricating lies. I don’t understand the motives behind these Eritreans ( individuals and organizations) who are working for the dead Tplf.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Regarding your last sentence: uncharacteristically, you’re overthinking it. Why do people lie? love, money and habits.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            My problem is understanding why these people do this against the well-being of their own people?
            Why an Eritrean justice seeker loves Tplf more than his own people?

        • Hashela

          selam Dade Desta

          When TPLF invaded Eritrea and committed heinous crimes, the Eritrean Government and civil societies documented everything and made sure, whenever possible, to get international media and organizations as observers.

          Among the crimes TPLF committed were,

          Organized gang rapes
          Desecration of Church, Mosques, and Martyrs’ cemeteries
          Destruction of hospitals, administrative buildings, and factories.
          Organized and large-scale looting sprees

          All of the above well documented and served as a foundation of on the EECC decision

          Now, you are telling us we should believe you without evidence TPLF’s claim of Eritrean Army presence in Tigray and looting by Eritrean Army. TPLF not only lost the war but TPLF lost also its ability to manufacture lies that exceed the life span of day flies.
          And you come here and willfully misquote and manipulated the editorial statement of this web site. This is stunning!

          ዘይሓፍር ድሙስ ገብረማሪያም ሽሙ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Governments always lies. The government of Ethiopia and Eritrea having the

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I have seen the video testimony of Eritrean women telling what happened to them. I know governments lie but I believe those women who testify on what happened to them. I have also seen the testimony of Eritrean deported from Ethiopia. Some we I know personally and I heard all the ordeal the went with.

            May be it will come in time but we have not seen similar story coming out of Tigray.

            So people are saying all this things happening by the Eritrean army and some people are questioning on it’s legitimacy until we there some sort of evidence to suggest that.

            Question for you:
            1) I understand the Tigray people advocating and saying all that, but why are Eritreans like you, Amanuel Iyasu coming out and telling this type of story.

            2) Have you seen any Tigrayian/ Ethiopian for that matter who condemn the deportation, and admit to the atrocities that happened in Barentu and admit that it happened, even though there is all the evidence that happened.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Here are the answers in brief to your question without going around the bush:

            (1) the victims always cry on the injustice that happen on them, and the victimizer indulge on denying and lying on what has happened to the victims. The truth between the victim and victimizer. The victim always speaks the truth.

            (2) The government and their supporters were alway defend or lie their act, as the government of Eritrea and their supporters are doing right now, Those who are saying the Eritrean army did not participate in the civil war of Ethiopia, they are either naive and gullible to the lies of the two regimes or they support the “war effort” in the process they collaborate in the manufacturing lies to cover up the story.

            Regard

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            my question to you remains the same: why are you willfully confusing the request for evidence with a lie. You are also confusing rigidity with a principled stance.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Ditto to my earlier response to you. Also don’t worry about the two words. I knew them before You know them. Because I am older than you to learn about their difference.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            My request for verifiable evidence is construed as a hypocrisy!?!
            Your urge to defend TPLF is taking away your ability to think rationally and read properly. I am asking for evidence!

            Think about it, in a province of 4-5 million people, there is nobody who can present solid evidence.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            In a region where almost every able person armed with a machine gun and AK 47, nobody was able to take a single photo that shows the Eritrean army carrying a door frame and mango trees all the way to Asmara.
            In the region where the digital weyane equipped with the latest technology failed to capture the looting in a one minute video is beyond my comprehension.
            I really missed Samuel.

            This is what I heard today
            ወያኔ ከተራራ ጫፍ ላይ እንደ ንስር ተወርውሮ እንደ የሌሊት ወፍ ዋሻ ውስጥ ተቀረቀረ!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Haw Hashela,

            The overwhelming evidence is all over the mass media including the countries with high technology like the US. You are still waiting to hear the news from the victimizing governments. There is no defending TPLF in my comment. In fact my comment told you that all governments lies that include them, But you have the audacity to vomit the same baseless accusation that never stick in my back. Go keep doing it. If you continue to do that, I know what to do about it, hitting by the same mud to your face.

    • EritreanHillBilly

      Dadaism
      You remind of art movement dadaism a “movement consisted of artists who rejected the logic, reason, and aestheticism of modern capitalist society”
      I don’t know what is going on with Tigrayan but their bitter obsession with Eritrea and Eritrean… why are talking about Eritrean when it is Ethiopian force that occupies Mekelle and it is where Dr. Abiy gave his last speech.
      It is strange… they say nothing about Ethiopian force.. but everything about some imagined Eritrean force…

      • Aman Y.

        Hi EHB,

        What are you trying to say. You mentioned identity religion, society , ethnicity, region, name calling etc. The issue is just whether Eritrean force entered Tigray and took some Tigrayns goods or not. It could happen to troops at most of the wars.

        Thanks

        • EritreanHillBilly

          Aman… do you have an evidence for what you claim… what I was telling Mr. Dadaism- it was nice way for me tell him he was just making noise.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    Reuters have reported that two US senators have thought sanctions, for Ethiopian officials who are found responsible for human right violations during the one month war, between the Federal government of Ethiopia and the regional government of Tigray. The resolution was introduced on Wednesday, by Senator Ben Cardin, Democrat, and senator Jim Risch, a Republican.

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Amanuel and all interested participants,
      You will find the report at United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations dated Dec 9, 2020. It is eight pages long.
      Happy reading.

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Amanuel,

      Thank you for sharing. Reuters and Politico are also reporting EU suspended 90 million Euros, which equals 109 million Dollars. I am not sure if they are going to get Abiy’ attention. I hope they do.

      • Dis Donc

        Aman Y.,

        Keep dreaming, buddy! For an Eritrean deportee you hang out too much with those who deported you! It’s like those here who keep on reminding us of Isu’s Tembien roots while advocating with TPLF. These days, although quite and leaking your wounds, y’all stopped cutting into conversations like Tomas used. First used to be tangential and later imitating.

        Answering your questions below: Nobody cares about anything, in as much as you fight peacefully. Please also stop beating the bush, come on out and argue if you wish. I know who you are, not just understanding you.

    • EritreanHillBilly

      Hello Aman,
      You seem to be twisting things. They have passed a resolution “imposing sanctions on any political or military officials found to be responsible for human rights violations during a month of conflict in Ethiopia’s northern Tigray region”…
      It doesn’t say who? I know it has been sad days for TPLF supporters… but you do still consider them TPLF leadership “Ethiopian Official” right?
      It can be government or TPLF. They have to do an investigation first…

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam EHB,

        Whether they are from the “central government” or “regional government” they are “Ethiopian officials” in the form of political and military officials. What is the beef in your argument?

        • EritreanHillBilly

          There is no beef just steak tartare. I just want to be clear that they are not just targeting governmental officials. I don’t consider the TPLF anymore a government official they are a rogue criminal element… has is been chased, arrested, and hunted.
          I don’t see anything coming in the way of the nobel prize peace winner. Who knows maybe members of TPLF will be sent the Hague for their action in Mai Kadre.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam,

    China to Buy 100 Million Doses of Pfizer Vaccine, Snubbing Domestic Option
    Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Group, a Chinese pharmaceutical group, announced Wednesday it had inked a deal with German company BioNTech to purchase 100 million doses of the Chinese coronavirus vaccine it had developed with American company Pfizer — the first vaccine approved for use in the United States.

    Shanghai Fosun co-owns Sinopharm Group alongside the government of China, a company developing its own coronavirus vaccine candidate. At press time, the Sinopharm vaccine candidate is believed to be about 86 percent effective, a significantly lower rate of functionality than the Pfizer option. Pfizer and BioNTech have reported their vaccine tested to be 95 percent effective in stopping Chinese coronavirus infections.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Simon,

      Isn’t that the right thing to do. I mean every country is doing the same (those that can afford to pay).

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Berhe,

        The point you missed is that Communist China is snubbing the vaccine they claimed to have developed domestically by themselves.

        • Dis Donc

          Dear Simon,

          Developing a vaccine usually is a multi-process task, each with its own phases, spanning over few years period. Countries with a very good reputation for regulations wouldn’t mince words in telling to you not only to publish (prominent among being the lancet and the New England journal of medicine) the composition makeup of the vaccine but also the clinical trials and side-effects observed in them. The vaccine for covid is the most rapid ever in the history of man kind. Given the urgency, regulators permitted for phases to overlap, in so long as there were no material deviation from the process and side effects of epic proportions.

          It’s important to bear in mind that none of those vaccines developed in China (or even Russia, for that matter) published their process, composition, or trials phase achievements. The Chinese leadership knows fully well that there are important figures in its citizenry that welds economic power. As such would not submit itself for these unproven vaccines; for later this will result in rebellion. The Chinese society is an Orwellian society to its core and the leadership knows this fully well!!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Did Donc,

            The head of China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Gao Fu, to tell the world, “Pfizer and Moderna said their vaccines were very effective, but please trust me, the Chinese vaccines are very effective, too.”

            Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has vocally opposed importing any Chinese vaccine candidates or mandating citizens take them.

            Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency (Anvisa) stated that the Chinese Communist Party had not clarified sufficiently what made it confident in the product.

            “This vaccine has already received emergency use authorization in China since June of this year,” Anvisa said in a statement. “The Chinese criteria to issue authorization for emergency use in China are not transparent and there is no information available over the criteria currently used by Chinese agencies to make this decision.”

          • saay7

            Selamat Simon:

            From the time a viral genome sequence is created, it usually takes 73 months to go from clinical trials to distribution. President Trump’s (I know, everybody hates him) “Operation War Speed” accelerated the process down to 14 months.

            The American approach has been take financial risk (Pfizer and Moderna were paid to take risks) but not safety risk. So with Pfizer, it took 44,000 volunteers, found 170 cases with COVID, and created 162 placebo group, and that’s why it can claim 95% effective rate 7 days post second doze. (Moderna began with 30,000 volunteers, 95 COVID and 94.5% effective rate.)

            Whatever Pfizer and Moderna claim will be peer-reviewed, and there are healthy whistle-blower laws to report fudging the numbers.

            What is the whistle-blower policy in China? Kill the whistle-blower. So, no, that should be a hard pass.

            saay

          • Hashela

            Selam SAAY

            please enlighten us how “Operation War Speed” accelerated the vaccine development (BNT162b2 ) by a German start-up (BioNTech) with a sit in Germany.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            You are slow.

            Warp Speed, Not War Speed!

            Pfizer and BioNTech.

          • Aligaz G

            Hashela,

            Please don’t try to tell us a couple from Turkey are behind Pfizer’s “Made in USA” vaccine. lol

          • Hashela

            Aligaz

            While it is not clear to me what your point is, your post reveals the omnipresent struggle white people (and people with an enslaved mind) have to accept the fact that this breakthrough was made by a son of a Turkish immigrant family who still are subject to racism in Germany.

            A year before the outbreak of the pandemic, in a conference in Berlin he boldly announced that his start-up company developed a technique that allows them to quickly develop a vaccine once the DNA of a pandemic-causing virus is known. And they did!

          • Aligaz G

            Hashela,

            Your post above made fun of Trump’s silly warp speed mefekir about US vaccine development by pointing to the German origins of Pfizer’s vaccine. I simply added to that the Turkish aspect of the “real” originators. If you are in this field you know the Trumpskies have gutted CDC and WHO has completely lost credibility over covid. Meaning we are at the mercy of big pharma. Any illusions that US companies “unshackled” from adult supervision are safer than say Sinopharm is racist stupidity as you said. One simply needs to look at the tragic 737 Max saga under Trump’s FAA but magnified on a massive global scale where potentially billions will be vaccinated.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saay,

            Whistleblower?

            One-way ticket to Era Ero!

  • Kaddis

    Saay hoy,

    And the birth control was conveniently given during Dr Theodros’s health minister time ..and all the war’s in Ethiopia since 2018 are preceded by OLF (shane?) killing Amhara ( proven at the same time of the news, even live ) deep, deep in some wollega or Benishangul town without even asking how these tiny Amhara communities lived at least for 50 – 40 years while OLF existed for 70…

    and the best spin I heard from a German resident here on vacation is – Abiy announced Hamdouk will be here for two days to trick tplf; they will think Abiy will be busy for two days hosting Hamdouk while Abiy went to Meqele in the afternoon ….its endless dumbness that I wish it was not deadly – but it is

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. The PMAA initiated peace process has resulted in the liberation of Badme. Let Ethiopia now deal with her internal affairs.

  • Nitricc

    Hi all once the great Eritrean General said this…and reading it now makes you wonder and Badime is under Eritreans with out any effort.

    ጥያቄ :
    ወያነ የያዛቸዉን ሉአላዊ መሬታችን አልሰጥም ብሏል በዚህ የምትለዉ ነገር ካለ አስተያየትህ?

    <>

    …….ኤርትራ ወያኔን ለማጥቃት ህጋዊም ሆነ ወታደራዊ መብት አላት። የተባበሩት መንግሥታት ኖረ አልኖረ፤ የተባበሩት መንግሥታት ሄደ አልሄደ ጦርነት ሊያስቆም አይችልም። ለዚህ ነዉ ኤርትራ ዉስጥ ሲነጋ በነሱ ምሽት ሆኖ ጨለማዉ ገና መያያዝ የጀመሩት። ገና አልነጋላቸዉም። ኢትዮጵያ ሰላም አንድታገኝ ብልን ድሃ ስለሆነች በዉስጣዊ ዉጥረት ስለተወጠረች ሰላም እንድታገኝ ብለን፤ ለኛም ሸክሙ አንዲቀለን፤ ሸክማቸዉ የኛ እንዳይሆን፤ ብለን እጃችን አስገብተናል። ኤርትራ አንደ መዓከላዊ ስበት ሆና መታየትዋ የማይቀር ነዉ።

    ……እሳቱ እየነደደ ነዉ። እኛ ከእሳቱ አጠገብ ነን፡ ያለነዉ። እሳቱ ነዶ ወደ አመድ ለመለወጥ ሊቀረዉ በቁጥር ስንት ያክል የማገዶ እንጨቶች እንደቀሩ የሚያዉቀዉ ከእሳቱ አጠገብ ላይ ያለዉ ሰዉ ነዉ የሚያዉቀዉ። ከእሳቱ አጠገቡ ላይ ያለነዉ ደግሞ እኛ ነን።……>>

    • Peace!

      H Nitric,

      Did the general mention the price Eritrea has paid for Baduma? I remember the approach to the war was “B’wuhud Kisara B’uzuh Mekseb.” It is virtuous to have the territory back to the rightful owners, but the question “at what cost?” is what giving a migraine to every sane Eritrean. Pre Baduma Eritrea is no longer exists she has lost almost everything she needs to sustain as a country at least for years to come: her heroes are either dead or in jail, her institutions disappeared, her doctors, teachers, nurses, engineers, and journalists are scattered every part of the world. It is sad she’s became the image of refugees, asylum, war, persecution, and sanction.

      Peace!

      • NewDawn

        Selam Peace, Nitricc doesn’t have any sympathy for the Eritrean people, how could he was born and raised in Gojame. He hasnt lived among the people to comprehend their suffering or to just simply share their pain. So he only cares about the image of eritrea. He has told me the state of Eritrea comes before the people. That will tell you his type of thinking and mindset.

        • Barolle

          Selam NewDawn,

          I too had a hard time understanding Nitricc early on, but I now understand he has the best intentions for Eritrea and Eritreans. We use to argue about Tigrayans as I was defending them nonstop and wanted more seperation between TPLF and Tigrayans. We share many similarities and have close ties, so working for everyones betterment isn’t a bad idea, but the keyword is everyones. Nitricc’s goal seemingly is to not allow any entity jeopardise our sovereignty, which is commendable. He expresses himself in a crued way, but it is a part of his charm and makes discussion interesting.

          You see, there are many who try to undermine our sovereignty, be it TPLF, or Amhara. Since the fall of Derg the main threat to Eritrea has been TPLF who infiltrated the opposition groups, or got others to side with them. The extremist Christian Agazians, the extremist fringe Muslims and the we will help you remove IA. But, you also have them trying to cause a wedge between Eritrean ethnic groups, or based on religion. The master deceivers are not to be taken lightly.

          Based on the latest horrendous act of killing the Northern Command in their sleep, the same ones who protected them for 20 years and were married to Tigrayans. Would you place your trust in a group like that? I tell you what, I wouldn’t if it was my own brother let alone a filthy political party that spread their vile ways of existence. Now that the cancer is removed we can build a better future for the Eritrean people, and the horn as a whole, which is what Nitricc is saying and hoping for.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Barolle; I am happy at least one person understood me, lol thanks bro.And let me explain a little more….
            Most people on this forum believed that we were wasting our time about TPLF and Ethiopia, instead of Eritrea. What they failed to realize is that TPLF is and was number priority for Eritrea and Eritreans. I have no idea why so many people missed this fact? Maybe it is, or was too close to see and understand the danger. I know most of you, hate and disagree with PIA and its government but give it five to ten years and you will see as clear as a day and understand the magnitude of the danger of TPLF imposed to Eritrea. I just read what Hashela gathered from Aiga-forum, I read when it said “geopolitical strategic location” well go look at the Tigray’s map and you tell me the importance of that geopolitical strategic location of Tigray. Everything what Hashela briefed, supposed to metalized at the death of Eritrea and at the expense of the Eritrean people’s aspiration and dreams. Two very intriguing characters of TPLF are that whetever they planned to do, they will do it at all costs and there is never a plan B. Are they seceded or failed is a different matter but they will do it! Have you ever thought that TPLF will massacre its own Army, an Army that went war for them, protect them for 20 something years? Off course not, but thanks to the leadership of Eritrea and thanks to the tenacity of the people of Eritrea, they have saved their country, trough 20 years of suffering, misery and humiliations. The cost is high but at the end, Eritrea is saved! Now is the time to ask question you may have because it is your god given right and you deserve it. The good times are coming, economic integration is coming and at the end I am just happy I don’t have to do what parents did to get their country. Now you got your country take care of it. For those who you think I had some kind of hate for TPLF, no, I just understood how capable and dangerous they were. And thanks for understanding me, I do apricate that. Eritreans go to work build your life and country.

        • Peace!

          Hi NewDawn,

          I have known Nitiric for years in this forum and I can safely say I know where his heart is. He loves his people and country he just sees things from different angle and that should be fine given he hasn’t experienced life under PFDJ. He consistently defended Eritrea against the junta, and now that’s pretty much over it is time for him to step up and Game Over PFDJ.

          Peace!

      • Hashela

        Selam Peace

        With the Badme (e)question apparently solved, IA is most likely preparing a new homework that will preoccupy Eritreans for the next 15-20 years. He loves to keep us busy and we gratefully accept any assignment.

        • Dongolo

          Selam Hashela. Certainly, the Eritrean opposition (that which has been sympathetic to the TPLF) must now retool and reboot its strategy to be inline with today’s reality and concentrate solely on matters at home. Badme/TPLF centered conflict is certainly no longer an obstacle to peace in Eritrea and It is therefore time for this opposition segment to truly push on the root causes of the extreme human rights abuses in Eritrea that has caused hundreds of thousands to flee; they need to immediately solely concentrate on PIA and not on PMAA or Ethiopia, for continuing to do so breeds mistrust and casts the. As protectors of a dead TPLF horse.

          • Hashela

            Selam Dongolo

            Even it may be short-lived, with PMAA we have for first the time an Ethiopian Government that is friendly and forward looking. We need to capitalize on this conducive condition and do our homework, not the homework IA gives us.

            The only preservation law the current regime knows is self-preservation at any cost.

            The only economic philosophy the current regime knows and applies is the economy of ቁማር (“Qumaronomics”).

            The only diffusion (distribution) law the current regime knows is the distribution of destitution.

            The only security measure the current regime knows is forcing the youth out of the country.

            The only frame work and mechanism of a legal system the current regime knows is the mechanism of mass incarceration.

            This has to change. The change will not come from and by the Eritrean Oppositions who worship TPLF and demonize PMAA.
            We need to do our homework, not the homework that IA gives us.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hashela,
            I think the Abiy”s government is friendly Isaias and his clique. It’s not friendly to the Eritrean people. It certainly is not friendly to me 🙂

            On the small mobs who put their eggs on the TPLF and those did so on PFDJ, I don’t have two different views. They are all the same. For The sake of consistency, both have to be looked at from the same angle. Like who am nflicted the most damage to Eritreans.

            Thank you.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            With the demise of TPLF, the most far-reaching damages for Eritrea is coming from the current regime and what it has been doing over 20 years. Our country is economically and demographically bled to death.

            In a less serious but equally important note:
            We need to organize for you a trip to ኣራት ኪሎ for a friendly interview (mutual beard scratching) with PMAA. If history is a guide, you will come back completely transformed.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            This one here is transformed in childhood no transformation at all. But please be thrifty on what you throw, it’s easy to pick stones and throw them indiscriminately unless you know what you are up to. And please do not contribute to the cheapening of serious debates.

          • Peace!

            Hi Saleh,

            “On the small mobs who put their eggs on the TPLF”

            Are you referring to the TPLF friendly Opposition leaders? I think the role of leadership should be considered as a crucial factor for assessing damages. DIA is a leader and he is responsible for every crime committed agains our country, and the same principle should be applied to any leader for weaknesses and shortcomings.

            Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Peace,

            the same principle should be applied to the Opposition leaders for weaknesses, shortcomings, and even conspiracies.

            I think is really not worth the efforts. Just think about it, what could be the outcome. Holding IA responsible and if the outcome is for him to hand power, then we all benefit. Removing the opposition leaders from their power, what would be the benefit.

            To be honest, I think they should be accountable to their card carrying and paying members. What ever their role is, how they helped or not their party or organization.

            How ever if they committed any crime, then should be help responsible according the law and in free and independent court.

            Let’s just say..they tried by how they thought is better thing to do.

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Peace,
            True. But we have to separate politics and legal aspects of it. If anyone committed a treasonous crime, the courts should do the sentencing not feuding political organizations PFDJ has no mandate to try political rivals for any reason. If we set a court, then I agree the cases should be presented by a court. Political violations are equal to anyone, including the PFDJ. Now, specify what you consider a crime and who you accuse, specifically. Blanket “opposition” accusations is which hunting. Finally, can you tell me what have the overwhelming numbers of those you call opposition done to you or Eritrea? Compare that to what the PFDJ has done to our nation. Then tell me why you would focus on incompetency and leave real criminals Scott free. And I do not know if incompetency is a crime under any law. But as far as the few who are widely known to be treasonous, you can count on the help and f many who know the details more that you expect. But please don’t leave the big time criminals and chase the egg stealers.

          • Peace!

            Hi Saleh

            I agree with most of your points just wanted to add a clarification to my previous reply. I see holding the Opposition leadership accountable for its shortcomings and failures is constructive and necessary. If a team keeps failing to meet expectations, it is normal to hold the head coach or management responsible and even fire.

            It’s been frustrating that despite more than enough Opposing groups and members, Issayas has been, and still is, the undisputed dictator, Eritreans remain badly divided, the suffering continues to get worse, and more Eritreans are in a serious despair and are giving up altogether.

            ሐደ ተዋዛያይ ዓርከይ ኣብ LA ዝቕመጥ እንታይ ኢሉና መስለካ ሓሙኡ ካብ ዓዲ ምስመጹ ብዛዕባ ትንሳኤ (ወዲ ሰብ ዳግማይ ክትስእ እዪ) ኢሎም ምስ ኣሰተምሀሩዎ ድሕሪ ቑሩብ ደቓይቕ (ኩሉ ሽግር ምስተራኣዮ) እንታይ ኢሉዎም መስለካ ኣነስ ብኽሙኡ ኣይኣምንን ነይረ ከሙኡ እንተኾይኑ ግን ሬሳይ ዓዲ ከይትወስድዎ ኣብዚ LA ክትስእ ይሕሸኒ ክምባሓድሽ ብሳዋ ተሰኔ ሱዳን ኮለል ኢለ ተኻላቢተ ናብዚ ክምለስ ኣይደልይን እየ ኢሉዎም እብለካ, to such extent:)

            The intention is always for better outcome, and I think the best defense for the opposing side is to make a practical progress on its mission that helps Eritreans restore their faith in their country and people and ultimately join the struggle.

            Peace!

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Dear Peace,
            I appreciate your straight-forward approach and rational engagement on pertinent matters. I am surprised, even Amanuel Hidrat was sincerely discussing issues without transgressing to personal attacks. It is time, we should join hands and save our people and country. Whatever mistakes were made, it is not time to dwell on the past but to rectify it for the future.

          • Saleh Johar

            Peace dear,
            Your frustration is common. We all are frustrated. However, our views have to be rational and defensible. For instance, each one of us struggles in whatever he can. People can hate or live us and based on that they can express their subjective views. However, how can I hold you accountable for not doing what I wished you to do or achieve? The task is common but there is no rational way to explain how you can hold the regime that controls your life and another who is just a victim like you on the same scale? To begin with, opposition is an individual choice and we can’t hold people accountable for being incompetent. We can criticize their actions but to hold one responsible you need a legal ground. We have no legal ground to hold anyone accountable except the regime.

            Also, technically, over half eritreans oppose the regime. Simply identifying them as opposition , blanket, is illogical. Imagine how many people are included in that! And we don’t even know except a few on whom we target our wrath. Is that fair? I don’t think so. It shouldn’t be like you criticizing a business person for not being successful and being the reason for a weak economy of a country. His success will definitely improve the economy but you can take him to court for failing. With the regime that dictates economic policies and cases failure, you can. Please try see it that way.

          • Barolle

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            Firstly, everyone that dares to engage politically with their real name should get some praise, no matter their views as they are more prone to abuse.

            The opposition I think about when I say opposition is the ones that are politically active irl and have a following, or can impact the course of which the country could be headed.

            You claim it’s because of incompetence in response to Peace. I say you’re trying to soften the blow. Amanuel Hidrat used the term “unfit to lead“, which is far more appropriate in this context. Furthermore, if there’s corruption involved, which there often is in these cases, they can can certainly be prosecuted.

            I need to complete some shores and go to bed, but I will happily respond after work tomorrow.

          • Saleh Johar

            Barrole,
            What you said is true. But do you believe all those who oppose the regime are there to lead? Even if there are some who want to, isn’t it their right to have ambition to lead? Do we criminalize them? I you don’t approve of their abilities to lead, I think you should punish then in a proper way, like an election, or deny them your individual support. But how do you try a person because he is unfit to lead? I say incompetent because some could have put their trust on them and they are disappointed. But they owe us nothing more to be held accountable. IBAN in the opposition—yiu can say I am unfit to rule only that I didn’t say I will lead you. If as an individual you do not approve of what I do, you can call me lazy, incompetent and worthless and that’s about it. On what basis will I be accountable? That’s my argument. Do your chores and then think about it 🙂

          • Barolle

            Selam Saleh Johar,

            I had to edit the auto corrected shores to chores. It bothered me too much…😁

            I will respond tomorrow, but I definitely agree on some of your points. I’ll get back to you before work, or after. Cheers!

          • Barolle

            Selam Saleh J,

            Naturally not all oppose to lead, and differentiating the regular Joe opposing the current government from someone of importance needs to be taken into account in this subject.

            The expression “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t” comes to mind when I think about the consequenses of letting a morally depraved person lead the opposition to the same place we are today, if not worse. At least under IA kollo seb texefxhifo allo equally, or almost :).

            Mesfin H wanted to hand out the keys to Eritrea to TPLF. If anyone thinks they would just gladly help Eritrea and its people transition the power and leave, finding more naive people would be a difficult task.

            Again, you’re right that some people can be classefied as incompetent, lazy, worthless, or ignorant. However, some views and actions can also be classified as dangerous and they can have legal concequences depending on the gravity of the offence. But, a person can be accountable in many ways other than through legal means like you mentioned.

            If someone drinks and drives they pose a threat to everyone in their vicinity, and not just themselves. If said drunk driver garners support from people that drinking and driving should be permitted, they could, and probably would, be seen as accomplices by people. If we change the example above from drunk driver to terrorist activities. The support would certainly lead to legal concequences.

          • Saleh Johar

            Barrole,
            I have no problem with your views. However, please think again about the potential harm being equated as a crime. That’s where profiling rules and we need to be careful how far we go. Also, I do not feel okay with letting the regime Scott free (even if it just sound like it) while lashing at individual who are victims like the rest of us. Finally, I believe there is no circumstance that should force us the devil we know. A devil is a devil whether we know it or not. Just a thought.

          • Barolle

            Saleh J,

            Yes, I completely agree that we shouldn’t settle for the devil we know. But, the reality is it could become worse. Countries with former dictators such as Iraq and Libya are good examples, but also my brothers second wife who happened to be a devil compared to his first who was a jin. 😀

            Jokes aside, I get your points and don’t have much to disagree on as well.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Barolle,

            The leaders of the opposition organizations can only be accountable to their members and not to the Eritrean people at large. Only a government is accountable to the the Eritrean people. That should be how to see them in the context of our current reality, where the opposition do not have even a foot inside of our country.

            Regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            Sometimes when people compare the regime and the oppositions, it is really difficult to fathom it. The regime is the governing body of the Eritrean state, who is inflicting all kinds of problems upon our people, and are accountable on the crimes they inflicted on the society. The oppositions on the other hand have failed to fulfill the hopes and aspirations of our people and could not be accused of crimes but could be subject to relegation as incompetent and unfit to lead. To be incompetent and unfit to lead is not a crime in itself. Second the oppositions are kind of colors, you could not accuse them with the same brush

            Regards

          • Dongolo

            Selam Hashela. I fully agree with you.

        • Peace!

          Hi Hashela,

          That’s the sad truth, and despite he’s exposed the country to unbearable damages, he still enjoys unconditional support from some Eritreans. I think finding the reason for such support is worth of pondering to see if a cure can be found.

          Peace!

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Peace, Hashela, Dongolo an all,

            I think we should focus on Eritrea, PFDJ and IA and how to turn things around for the better.

            We have to forget this TPLF, Abiy, Ethiopia like you said should be left for the for the Ethiopian people to worry about.

          • Peace!

            Hi Berhino,

            That is a good and timely question I am dying to find out the answer. First though can the situation be turned around, if not, taken the opposing side capacity into account, what would be the best alternative?

            Peace!

          • Dongolo

            Hi Berhe Y. I am 100% on board.

          • A.Osman

            Selam Berhe,

            We suffer a kind of political procrastination, we run away from Eritrean issues and we engage with passion on matters that are not our priority or our problem to resolve.

            Hopefully the Ethiopian civil war returns to normalcy and the stakeholders move on to handle it politically to achieve a lasting peace.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • saay7

            Selam A.Osman:

            You make an excellent assessment.

            We set out to create Awate University at Omhajer (or its equivalent in Ethiopia and Sudan) where are all are welcome to give their treatise on citizenship. Overtime, it is becoming a beer hall at a war zone where SUBJECTS echo the slogans of their governments, none of whom were elected in free and fair elections.

            I would very much like us back to our university model where people act as citizens instead of subjects chanting whatever slogans and adjectives they were given by those in power.

            I would like people to tell me their vision of post Ethiopian War Eritrea (using any of the three outcomes of the war) and how that benefits Eritrea.

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi AOsman and Sal:

            AOsman, welcome!
            Long time ago, I heard some one, a US intellectual say or maybe I have read it, but I vividly remember that they pondered: why is USA so violent, is it because of our violent history, but then they retracted that and said, but there are other countries that had violent history but are not as violent us the US now.

            I bring this issue, retrieve it from the hazy memory to make the point that the return to normalcy after a war (read violence to mimic Paul and also Pappilion)* is extremely hard, takes time, so this stupid Ethiopian civil war, despite its end in 72 hours will have a lasting scar, that will be a catalyst for future violence/war

            Also about the focus only on Eritrean issue/Eritrea that BY and Osman are hoping for, remind me of US politics: the isolationist, Liberiterians or far right wing who say the hell with the rest of the word, withdraw troops, close borders, cut aid etc. The similarity in in their unrealistic nature. The issue is the focus, the balance you strike. Solely focusing on Eritrea is a loser. Sal,you can correct e if am wrong that many organization fail for avoiding what is called the dirty secret of an org: politics.
            So we cannot ignore the issues in Ethiopia for these reasons: the civil war came partly because of Eritrea, so we must partly discuss/think about Ethiopia. Our interests are intertwined and sometimes in conflict depending on who is in power and the prevailing conditions.

            Sal: About the location of the university, is it because we want to setup Ethiopian and Sudanese studies department? In that case I like the location and also there is more reason, remember Saleh G once told us her that he had an altercation with a Sudanese solider in that area 🙂

            (Read violence to mimic Paul and also Pappilion)*: Like the US intellectual, I am retracting my initial insinuation of hazy memory to impress you 🙂

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            That’s a lot of questions for an unlettered man like me 🙂 I will just share my opinions for whatever it is worth.

            I agree with you that the Stupid Civil War will leave its scar, despite all the claims that it was surgical and law enforcement oriented.

            A lot of the Game Overers keep saying it as a way to convince themselves the game is over. The phrase game over (literally a phrase borrowed from video games) was popularized by the protestors during the Arab Spring (because English is a second language to them) and it is stunning to see it masquerading as a policy now. We all know what the Arab Spring version of “Game Over” ended up.

            I think those arguing for an Eritrea-centric approach are not saying let’s ignore Ethiopia (how can you ignore a large country prone to ritualistic violent eruptions every 5 years) but to ask: what does it mean for Eritreans in Eritrea? Not just those who live in the open air prison, but those in actual prisons, those in actual prisons, those in indefinite conscription, and those in refugee camps. We already know what the “Peace & Friendship Agreement” of 2018 meant (not even a slow down in the exile rate, never mind change in the people’s lives) but what do all the different outcomes of the war (complete defeat of TPLF, a low level insurgency, of a full insurgency) mean for Eritrea? At this rate it scares me that if the third possibly happens there will be Eritreans rooting for TPLF to defeat their own brothers and sisters whom they have taken to calling “ወረርቲ”

            Conversely you will notice that those who are predicting PFDJ-led change in Eritrea do not even have the strength of conviction to make a call for it. Why? Because the minute Isaias (when he surfaced from his hidey-hole) will tell them this is not the right time to let down our guard blah blah blah, they will be repeating his words and forget theirs.

            The Awate University at Omhajjer, well not to go all Aboy Fekadu but this forum was the only one that had a mixed audience (Eritreans and Ethiopians, pro and against TPLF, pro and against PFDJ) in its readership and contributors. That didn’t happen by accident. What has happened by accident is the Tesfa Newsization of awate and hell no that won’t happen while we have breaths in our lungs.

            Speaking of Omhajjer and Sudan, the picture of the day is more men in uniforms in Sudan going to the border and there is already more testosterone-heavy bragging and zeraf zerafing from the Sudanese side bordering Ethiopia over some other disputed land, which of course cannot be solved peacefully. No East African has ever been honored for maintaining peace but plenty of glory for those who order wars.

            I don’t know what Papillon said about war but if people used its description instead of its name (an act that results in tens of thousands of exiles, thousands dead and maimed, and a lifetime of trauma) I am sure people wouldn’t cheer for it the way they have.

            saay

          • A.Osman

            Selamat iSem,

            Also about the focus only on Eritrean issue/Eritrea that BY and Osman are hoping for, remind me of US politics: the isolationist, Liberiterians or far right wing who say the hell with the rest of the word, withdraw troops, close borders, cut aid etc.

            It is not a call to be isolationist, at this point the civil war in Ethiopia will be the centre of discussion and that’s fine. My issue is the level intensity, maybe is not fun discussing Eritrea or we have exhausted most topics, Ethiopia is dynamic, etc…but still we have to pull back and try to deal with our issues.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Dis Donc

            Dear saay,

            How about the Catalán solution, as you proposed earlier, for Ethiopia!?

            Jokes aside, the Ethiopian question is something that will resolve itself with an election and its thereafter. I say that because the only way out of this quagmire is by a democratically elected body that will set out to solve federal vis-à-vis central issues. Ethiopia will have stabilized when political and economic balance of power is achieved between federal regions and the center. Expecting or forcing a power sharing government is a 30 years tried and failed exercise which was nothing but a gimmick.

          • saay7

            Disc Donc,

            The larger point is that no European, North American country would use military solution to solve a political problem.

            But it is considered du jour in Africa, and particularly East Africa.

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay7,

            1. Presumably you mean to say no country should solve INTERNAL political problems militarily because everybody knows the so called civilized western powers “solve” a lot of “international political problems” militarily.

            2. Btw how certain are you North American or Europeans nations are not behind the law and order operation in Tigray? Maybe you need to take a harder look at the bigger picture.

            3. I also find it puzzling as to how you believe Ethiopia bashing helps you address Eritrea’s deep seated political and socioecnomic problems. Pandering to a nonexistent base perhaps?

          • saay7

            Aligaz:

            1. Yes I mean internal domestic issues. But I am not a fan of using war even on external issues.

            2. It doesn’t matter whether they are for it or not. If the Africans allowed it to happen because Europe and North America encouraged them to, they are dumb. If they do it despite their pleas not to do it, they are stubborn and dumb.

            3. When will people tire of equating unelected regimes with countries? I mean does it work for you in any capacity this three card monte of substituting rulers and the elite with a country? The Ethiopian government and its elite have shown a long and uninterrupted record of affinity for violence. Will keep saying it until you change.

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay7,

            Not interested in gotcha moments I am just honestly curious about your thought process.

            Clearly you were flogging the nonexistent virtues of western powere just a minute ago but now you admit they may be a “bad influence” so let’s look for some victims to blame? You are lucky I did not take the persona of an angry minority woman heading the African Studies Department at Berkley (instead of Aligaz poor farmer from Wollo) because you are on toast right about now. Anyway welcome back to Awate Forum.

          • saay7

            Sigh.

            I just told you the West would not declare war upon themselves to solve a political problem.

            Which part of that is confusing you and why are you trying to mystify a simple statement because it puts a huge contrast on the way Ethiopia’s elite solve its political problems ?

            Saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay7,

            Mystification is associated with the east. In Qiigong and Taichi a strong horse stance helps maintain balance and rootedness. Your high and narrow stance make it easy to push you around. Get off your high horse. Self exile in Eritreadigest has dulled your formerly sharp reflexes.

          • A.Osman

            Selam SAAY,

            I would like people to tell me their vision of post-Ethiopian War Eritrea (using any of the three outcomes of the war) and how that benefits Eritrea.

            There is nothing to benefit, I don’t understand some Eritreans seeing this civil war with positive light considering the demise/weakening of Woyane and Eritrea securing its land. How about the long term implication on Eritrea’s sovereignty with whoever wins making sea access their next dream.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Nitricc

            I think we should focus on Eritrea, PFDJ and IA and how to turn things around for the better.

            Hi Berhe; this time around, it will work. Eritrens has learned the lesson. Ethiopians has learned the lesson and Most importantly, the Tigryans has learned the lesson. there is no other option.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            You are pondering to find as to why he is still enjoying unconditional support from considerable number of Eritreans. The facts are: It wasn’t the “reasons were not found and untold” the issue you are pondering about. But we are not ready to recognize our “sociopolitical problems” when they are told the identities of the problem and the reasons behind them. The divide on the “recognitions” of the problem become the fertile ground to the support to the despot. Look at from what section of our society he enjoys the support he is getting. So Peace, if you aren’t from those who denies the real problem, look at the terms “trust and mistrust” and check them how they play in the sociopolitical life of Eritrean and might give you hints as to why the despot is getting the support he enjoys.

            Regards

          • Peace!

            Hi Emma,

            We went over this many times I really appreciate your effort. What I am trying to find out is rather the way out of the mess we are in, or if we’ve exhausted all alternatives and waiting for PFDJ to disappear miraculously, that’s something else. I think evaluating the accumulated work done to measure progress, correct mistakes, and reinforce commitments is timely and necessary. How long the current stalemate continues to persist before Eritreans do something to salvage what’s left. Just yesterday Hashela reminded us that DIA will come up with another home work that would keep us busy for another 15 years. I hope you understand my frustration.

            Peace!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Peace,

            I just trying to answer to the question you were pondering, as to why he is still enjoying unconditional support. If it was in search of a solution to the problem we are facing, either I could have tried to give you my opinion on it, or let it to others to tackled it. However, I completely understood your frustration. I am also living with that painful frustration.

            Regard

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman and peace,

            The issue you both have exchanged views on is at the heart of the dilemma we as nation have been facing. It’s in fact, a kind of a socio-cultural question, though most often gets veiled in political rhetoric, which has found a notch in the mindset of some sectors of our people.

            Whenever the issue of removing the despot is raised, some with cynicism and others with spontaneous innocence pose the question: መን እሞ ክመጽእ’ዩ ብድሕሪኡ? This is a loaded question; and implies an entrenched defensive mistrust rooted in fear of the unknown. This unknown pertains to someone who cannot be trusted as culturally and religiously “our own”.

            Without getting to uncalled for detail, such an attitude has of course socio-historical explanations. As a hint I may allude to a frequently facebook post in which an elderly person repeatedly say: ኣስላማይሲ እንተ ዝንግስ መሓረደምበር ኣይምፈረደን. This is not his view. He just has been hearing that from early on in life. Some in our society unconsciously worry as though Ahmed Gragn’s campaign are still raging on, or the Othoman Turks are still in the shores of the Red Sea.

            So, the enlightenment sector of our people should realize the problem and orient our communities. What is at stake is that removal of the despot shall open way towards constitutionalism, and concerted nation building that will lay ground for proper discharge of responsibilities in the framework of governance based on fairness and equality. Citizens will be graded by their loyalty to their country and not any other critrea.

            Thus, compatriots like Nitricc, Dongolo and many have important job to do in this regard as the rationale they have been using so far is no more in vogue, and it is time to liberate their people from the scourge.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            You mention some of the cultural fears of the Christian highlanders. Right there, are the roots of the mistrust that we are unable to talk boldly about those fears. Not only that we are unable to talk about it, but there is a denial to it by the Christian highlander elites about it in their bases. The old saying “ ኣስላማይሲ እንተ ዝንግስ መሓረደምበር ኣይምፈረደን” is still in the psychic of the Christian highlanders and that is why our politics is framed Christian vs Muslims or highlanders vs lowlanders, even if we try to transform it in to the majority vs minority, to address the grievances, by bringing equity in the political and economic lives of the aggrieved part of our society. The Highlander Christians are not ready to bring those kind of changes. The mistrust between the two sections of our society will persist to exist unless we honestly and boldly talk about it. We are cheating ourselves by either denying the existence of it or trying to approach the issue by platitudinal rhetorics.

            Regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,

            You have grip of the gist of the matter. Honesty, the onus is right on the elites from our Christian communities like yourself. When I say the elites I mean in its broadest possible sense: spiritual and secular at the vanguard of which is enlightened intelligentia who are expected to be aware of what nationhood comprising religious and cultural diversity entails, and what national unity and social cohesion requires in orde to become the guiding forces to nation building.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Ismael and Amanuel,

            The Eritean unity during struggle was stitched by “social nationalism”. The other social boundaries were insignificant. Changing the name of some of the zones by shaebia also seemed to deal with one other problem. I do not think socio politics, but religion as you both stated. We have two major Religions that almost each citizen can be identified with . In my opinion would be for the opposition to design their program accordingly. All events should recognize the religious make up of the country. in our city we have started arranging for spiritual needs. Politicians have to recognize the social need. The constitution also should have reverence not only to the majorities but also minorities in belief. Most of Eritreans are believers including Animists and atheists. It may be hard to change a socialist indoctrinated crowed. Making Isayas a believer could be the short cut.

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            Despite its claim to the contrary, the regime and its cadres skillfully nurture and exploit that deep-seat fear. A recent reminder is the subliminal messaging by PFDJ cadres after the failed attempt of Col Ali and the event in Akria. Allow me to cite Donald J. Trump “Suburban housewife, please like me, I will protect the value of your property.” The politicsof fear.

            We, the highland Christians, have a lot of work to do. The same applies to our Muslim brothers!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            I find your quotation of Trump to be the result of your shallowness.

            Democrats, in particular China asset Joe Biden, have been threatening long before the election, to build low cost housing in sub-urban areas. This will result in the concentration of low income individuals and families in a given area.

            This is a bad idea both socially and economically. It will bring drugs, crime, violence and prostitution to the area. People flee from the area and property prices will fall.

            Trump’s idea is better: give vouchers to the low income people and let them choose where to live.

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ሲሞን

            ብልሕን ተውህቦ ዕምቆት ሓሳብን ካብ ስነ-ኣእምራዊ ባርነት ዘይድሕን እንትኾይኑ ተርጉም የብሉን።

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            Trying to act smart by hiding behind overused sayings?

            Admit that you didn’t know the context of Trump’s speech.

          • Hashela

            Simon

            Revisit my Tigrina response to your comment. As the principal guardian of Abessinian Christian Highlanders, you should be able to respond in Tigrina. Gee’z is also accepted.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            You try to impress, but instead shallowness is coming out.

            Stick to the subject: sub-urban property prices.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Hashela,

            It seems that you are avoiding discussing the issue because you have no clue.

            Stick to the topic: compare and contrast the housing policies of the two parties.

            You can take a peasant out of a village, but you can’t take the village out of a peasant.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Simon,

            Now it doesn’t matter what Trump policy is, what do you think will happen in Jan 20. Is he going to leave?

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Berhe,

            Policies matter to the voters, now and in the future.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Simon,

            Sure.

            What I mean is, the options of getting voucher may be good for term but not good long term benefit.

            They lose out in generational wealth by not owning equity that can pass to generations.

            Thus started with the US policy after WW making it hard fir builders to get loans if the sell to the black people.

            Unless the African/black people everywhere, specially those in Africa come together and build one currency economy, to not depend on foreign money, Te problems will continue.

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Please read “ The Color of Law” by Richard Rothstein if you haven’t yet.
            “A forgotten history of how our government segregated America “

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I have not read the book, but I heard an interview about the book.

            To be honest it’s a losing game to expect white america or Europe is going to find a solution that would drastically change the lives of black people.

            For example, there are lots of Eritreans refugees in Switzerland. They always make a big deal in the news when there is some “fighting” or “crime” happens and they cry about “welfare” or what have.

            At the same time, all the gold from Eritrea /Nuvsun was being sold and processed there worth of billions of dollars.

            What did Eritrea get in return, pocket change (10%), where the Eritrean government supporters tell themselves we got 40 percent. In paper yes, but ended up using the payout from the 30% to pay them back.

            Nevsun was producing, 1 million dollars worth of gold everyday for good three years. Nevsun used that cash to buy another mining company in Russia to boost its revenue and net worth.

            When they were done, they sold the company 6 dollars per share, of their outstanding shares they had about 200 million (12 billion dollars).

            Nevsun had only 20 million in assets when it started operating in Eritrea, and they made all that money from Gold (worst part is they told the Eritrean gov to own 40 percent share) instead of Nevsun parent company shares (which is traded) but created bogus share company with Eritrean government and become 60% owners.

            I don’t know who was negotiating that deal, but why not own 40% of nevsun (which its only asset is in Eritrea) instead.

            They could have a seat at the board (at least 3 – voting) and when sale happened, they would gotten divided payout and when the company is sold, they could have netted at least 3 billion.

            That’s why I admire the Arab countries, China or India as much as corrupt they are, they do not sell their ownership to others.

            And Eritrea deal is considered groundbreaking, where all others just are happy with 10% which goes to corrupt politicians who hide it in Europe anyway.

            What can you do…

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            Ok, let us talk about this issue openly and boldly as you demanded.

            First of all, for some reason, you have a tendency to make one sided accusations against Christian Highlanders.

            Now, look at the experiences of Christians in countries such as Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. Christians, who were there before Islam, are abused, their Churches bombed, treated as second class subjects and reduced into a minority.

            Do you blame Eritrean Christians for being concerned?

            Please, do not use the Islamophobia card against me.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            The examples you brought how the Christian are treated in those countries are true. But I hope using those example you are not legitimizing the fears of the Christian highlanders. The approach should be then, taking those examples as lessons, how could we do better in managing our fears and hopes in the politics of our nation. The solution to it in my view is simple. Let us introduce a form of government that gives a “fair share” in the economy and political life of the nation to the make up of Eritrean society. Instilling fears for purposes of controlling the government is not healthy, and nor does it bring a peace and stability. By the way that is how the current government exploit those fears to perpetuate divisions. Knowing the ruling clique the part of our society rallying behind him, and knowing who are the aggrieved section of our society, yes I have the tendency of criticizing the highland Christians. The ruling government in Eritrea, be it an authoritarian or totalitarian is from us – the Christian highlanders. The mantle of power is in the hand of the highlanders. Therefore, I have no qualms seeing it as it is – telling the facts in the ground even if I belong to the Christian highlanders.

            Now by bringing those examples you asked me, do I blame the Christian highlanders to have a concern? knowing the nature of our society in general and our Muslim brothers in particular, I will only tell them that they shouldn’t have that concern. What on demand is “fair share” as a stakeholders, in the stock of our nation. What is your take on the issue?

            Regards

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Amanuel H.,

            Your assurance is vacuous (empty), and you still blame the Christians.

            A secular constitution, a secular army, free education and healthcare, and a mainly free market economy will sort things out over time,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Simon,

            Thank you, Simon!

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Curious. Do you consider Keren as ‘highlander’ status? It’s physical attributes qualify it as such. To note that Eritrea’s urban population back in 1980 was at 19.8% whereas today it is believed to be around 63.3%. There has obviously been major shifts in Eritrea’s population & patterns over the past 40 years. Future political strategies (maybe something like what Berhe Y mentioned) will need to be carefully articulated to take into account greatly changed population dynamics.

          • Mez

            Good day Dongolo,

            Urban population of Eritrea 63.3%?

            Is this a correct quote?

            Thanks

          • EritreanHillBilly

            I believe the past statistics I saw… 80% of Eritrean and Ethiopian population is rural- farmers.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Mez. Yes. Worldmeter now places Eritrea’s urban population at 63.3%. Those that have been away from Eritrea for more than 10 years, wouldn’t even recognize her these days, especially once they started to travel in the countryside.
            https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/eritrea-population

          • Berhe Y

            Selam Amanuel,

            The ruling government in Eritrea, be it an authoritarian or totalitarian is from us - the Christian highlanders.

            Let us introduce a form of government that gives a “fair share” in the economy and political life of the nation to the make up of Eritrean society.

            I understand the problem is real but I don’t think the approach is correct. I personally think, Eritrea divided along the different awraja (making, breaking the large population of Tigriana and Tigre) to smaller size and having British type parliament would serve us better.

            The other “sharing power” will not help our country advance because you can have totally corrupt people getting together come to power and rule. We don’t need better example than our current government of Christian highlanders, just because they happen to be Christians it doesn’t mean they will look after our best interest. In fact, they care only about their power and I don’t think repeating the same mistake would work.

            I agree we need to be able to have equal representation in government, military, public servants, education etc..to make sure everyone gets a fair share but the political parties, they need to fight for their survival and they need to earn the votes.

            Otherwise we will have ethnic based “TPLF style” government which we know it’s a total failure.

            The only other country that has similar type of arrangement is Lebanon and hardly one can take the country as a model country of stability.

            Personally I wanted an Eritrea where I do not care where a person back ground, religion or what have you to represent me.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            I will not go further to explain myself, but I would like to tell you that “fair share” is not the same as “sharing power.” My argument has nothing to do with framing a government like the Lebanon governmental structure, nor does it has to do with the ethnic federalism. I have presented my view in an article format and here it is for your reference to help not to misrepresent my views. (links are allowed from Awate during week days).

            http://awate.com/contours-of-change-and-equilibrium-of-its-parts-p-v/

            Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Emma,

            Thank you for your generosity and your patience with me.

            If you feel I misrepresented your views it’s because lack of knowledge and not intentional.

            I will read your article on n the weekend and if I will provide you feedback, if I really understand.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe Y,

            Please give us your suggestion after reading it..You will understand it all,, Sure, you are smart and you will understand it..

            KS,,

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Pro. Aman,

            Nice and excellent. I hope they all had seen you article above link.

            KS,,

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Ato Amanuel and Ato Ismael,

            DW run an interview with a question “Is the war really over? Meaning the war in Tigray, I would like to ask you guys if it would be comparable to Eritrean history in 1974. I read from a book by Alamin about how 23 Erirean Parliamentarians complained due to the massacres in Eritrea, law enforcement by Aman Andom, provisional governor Amanuel Amdemichael after General Mengesha Seyoum, Freedom fighters circled Asmara before they strategically reated to…So similar with the current situation to say the war is not over and not till…

            it is nice to meet you, Since I am new I need some pointers from you. I replied to the religion discussion to you and to Ismael AA. I am just wondering what happened because I do not see it on thread.

            Thank you

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Aman,
            What are you saying?

          • Aman Y.

            Selam EritreanHillBilly,

            Based on history, the war may not be over soon. In 1974 there was a massacre in Omahajer near the boarder with Ethiopia. 171 people died. There were other massacres, Onna being the highest, The Omahajer massare created an atmosphere in the parliament similar to the Ethiopian parliament meeting before the the Tigray war. 23 Erirean Parliamentarians complained about the massacres in Eritrea,
            Like Prosperity party , Derg sent General Aman Andom to Eritrea to calm the region as an enforcer. Later a provisional governor General Mengesha Iyasu was appointed. When the General declined the post Ato Amanuel Amdemichael was assigned by the Derg, During this time Asmara was circled by Eritrean freedom fighters before they strategically retreated to Sahel…So similar with the current situation to say the war is not over and not for long time. I hope it is more clear.

            thank you

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Aman,
            I think wishful thinking is taking back a half-century. We live in different era. The days of going to mountain and fighting a guerilla war done and gone.
            We live in new era. I suspect you are Tigrayan who is probably shocked by sudden demise of TPLF.
            You are looking for something that help you mitigate this sudden shock. You won’t find it from example of past generation.
            Conventional or Guerilla war are over. You might have Urban insurgency but that all you can have in 2020.

            Tigrayan should focus on been active players in Ethiopian politics and life.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam EHB

            Please, Its no use to go far to assume my Identity. And why would you like TPLF’s demise. And please don’t wish my demise as well.

            I am an Eritrean who believes TPLF’s survival, strengthens the sovereignty of Eritrea. Not for it to come back to power, but to be viable counter for Abiy for I do not see any other capable opposition. Abiy is getting empowered from day today and could become dictator with out notice. Besides, what would you think will happen if Abiy is gone? Are we guaranteed with some kind of covenant. Is it not worrisome?

            Good night.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Aman Y.,

            There is nothing wrong being a Tigrayan or anything else. The problem with your view is that, as an Eritrean and as a foreigner, you shouldn’t harbor a view for advocating a guerrilla warfare (or inciting for it) against Ethiopia by anyone (not just TPLF)! Your preaching method should be advising TPLF to continue a peaceful fight. Anything short of that is tantamount to declaring war against Ethiopia and against Ethiopians. And if Abby turns into a monstrous dictator that is our business, not yours!

            NB: You clearly advocate for a violent struggle and I do not know why this site protects you?

          • Selam Dis Donc,

            The fact that the last events with tplf and the measures he was forced to take boosted Abiy’s approval rate, it doesn’t mean that he is necessarily going to end up a dictator. Fighting a proven criminal and a terrorist, doesn’t make a leader a dictator, but on the contrary a patriot.
            If there are such leaders that could be called “servant leaders”, he is the one.

            He is hated for loving his country, he is demeaned and demonized for refusing to succumb to the demand of anti-ethiopianists, which is none-other than serving tplf and undermining ethiopia’s unity. He had an immense patience with tplf to the degree of foolishness, which was misinterpreted as cowardice, as stupid people usually do.

            I believe that if he has the chance and if they allow him and don’t spoil things for him, he will change not only Ethiopia but the whole region as well. Already most ethiopians, except some diehard tribalist elites, seem to have become fed up of ethnic federalism that has divided the people, brought every ethiopian against each other and has made the ethiopian society a dog eat dog society, in a country where people used to live in harmony.

            Ethiopians should struggle for equality and human rights and not for identity, which in actual fact means nothing other than a different language and culture. Nobody is superior because of his/her language, tradition, culture and religion. Let’s leave that to the white supremacists. Myths are just myths, and ethiopians shouldn’t dwell on them.

          • Aman Y.

            Good morning Dis Donc,

            I did not peach TPLF to start a violent or guerrilla fighting. To the contrary I believe discussion. reconciliation and forgiveness are the ways forward for our countries Of course criminals have to pay restitution by prison and monetarily.

            NB. Yesterday you wrote me that as a deportee leaking my wounds, should go back to the TPLF. Eritreans wounds have been healed don’t scratch our scars. From the two decades deportation that is. And it doesn’t amount to civilian cost the Tigray people are paying right now. Be civil please.

            thanks

          • sara

            selamat EH,
            i heard americans come in different color,size etc/// is it true/?
            i never thought the dawn vote works… and never seen one using it.

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Aman
            How much is this Christian and Muslim divide a generational issue? I don’t think the younger generation give that much weight. Religion as means of division is playing less of role. With natural demise of IA and his EPLF clique, Eritrea’s division and boundary will start to fluctuate.
            To honest, I find this Christian or Highlander and Low lander division to be generational.
            Our form of Christianity and Islam is inclusive and not like those of the middle east or north africa…

          • Saleh Johar

            EHB,
            Wouldn’t you think it that was generation it wouldn’t have survived this far? Many generations suffered from it before the current one. If something is not resolved, it will stay chewing on us forever. Problems do not go away unless properly attended to and resolved. I think

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Saleh,

            I agree with you. I had commented on discussion with Ismail and Amanuel earlier. I don’t see my comment on the thread now .In a nut shell Eritreans are believers 100% .They can be Muslims, Christians, Animists even atheist. We should deal with it on every aspect. We attained independence through “Social Nationalism” meaning ሃገራዊነት.
            We have some how now to deal with religion more than politics and economics.

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Saleh,
            There isn’t much too chew… once the PDJF naturally dies out slowly Eritrea will transition to countries like Ghana, Tanzania, Rwanda, Kenya, Malaysia…. a somewhat healthy reaction to difference…
            My point is we don’t have to model ourselves after those religious nutcase in the middle east…we have different take on religion and secular life…

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            Despite
            its claim to the contrary, the regime and its cadres skillfully nurture
            and exploit that deep-seat fear. A recent reminder is the subliminal
            messaging by PFDJ cadres after the failed attempt of Col Ali and the
            event in Akria. Allow me to cite Donald J. Trump “Suburban housewife, please like me, I will protect the value of your property.” The politic of fear.
            We, the highland Christians, have a lot of work to do. The same applies to our Muslim brothers!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hashela,

            Oh yes. All have responsibility. After all, it does not mean there are biases of one sort or another. These are social ills that wane as comprehensive socio-economic national transformation progress and internal fault lines lose potency. The point on hand is the sort of fear and mistrust that hamper the overdue change in the country that should allow it to establish harmony and embark on nation building. As you stated the regime, and its leader have been exploiting that socio-cultural aberrant, and in fact systematically promoting it since the early times of Selfi Netsanet . Meticulously enveloped in deceptive leftist rhetoric, their meiden manifesto was deliberate reminder of the fear other other. Even Moslims in the ranks of what became the EPLF did not suspect the message which that manifesto was crafted to disseminate.

        • Mez

          Good day Hashela,

          1) “There is no accident”; It was a military-political evolution.

          2) who knows, pia may simply issue an Eritrean T-Bond and start awakening the infrastructure sector.
          ….

          3) Then politics, change,….may follow.

          3.1) Just one possible scenario.

          Thanks

          • Hashela

            Selam Mez

            Thank for the quote “There is no accident”.

            It reminded me on the conversation between Master Shifu and Master Ugwe in the Valley of Peace. When Master Ugwe selected Po, the fat panda, to fulfill an ancient prophecy and defend the village, Master Shifu bitterly complains and insists that the choice was based on mistaken identity, an accident. Master Ugwe calmly explains to Master Shifu that “there is no accident”.
            It is a nice family move (Kung Fu Panda). I believed I watched it more than 7 times with daughter.

          • Mez

            Dear Hashela,

            Yes that is true. Think about their similarity. “Ganz genaue, daran habe ich mich auch erinnert”.

            1) Just think what happened in the last five years, especially in Ethiopia, you can see the rapid succession of unusual events.
            1.1) tplf came up with the idea of “federalist forces”, but didn’t hold the ground much in politico-ideological battle.
            1.2) the rest is history.

            2) Now the big thing to ponder is: what might pia do next: “the survival instinct” of him, and
            2.1) the possible awakening of PFDJ functionaries”.

            Thanks

      • Dongolo

        Selam Peace. Whatever price has been paid for Badme, it could have been averted, had the TPLF simply adhered to the Rule of Law.

        • Peace!

          Hi Dangolo,

          That was just one example: we’ve paid price for war against Yemen, Sudan, Djibouti, and agains the seating dictator. This is insane!

          Peace!

          • Dongolo

            Selam Peace! I have comments/feelings on the other endeavors which you have mentioned but best at this stage that I keep them to myself. I believe that the Eritrean opposition ‘at large’ must do a far better job (especially now that the TPLF is no longer a part of the equation) in coming together & unifying forces. This will require, among other things, that we leave old battle wounds at rest and focus on the present. From my side hereon, no more mentioning of ELF or EPLF nor negative TPLF insinuated comments.

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Peace!,

        Pre-Baduma Eritrea no longer exists…

        Very true. Before the war, if one kept clear of politics, life used to be secure, peaceful, tolerable and predictable.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Simon K,

          I am very hopeful and very optimistic that Eritrea will emerge from this. In fact I think the opportunities have not been better. A lot of factors play in Eritrea favor.

      • Nitricc

        Did the general mention the price Eritrea has paid for Baduma?

        Hi Peace; there is no need to mention what the price was paid for Badime, because it is priceless to ensure the sovereignty of the nation. it was paid and the sovereignty of the nation was Stord and today Badime is under the hands of the owners. the Question you need to ask is, what do the Ethiopians gained when they lost 170K lives? I asked you sir!

  • Aman Y.

    Selam all,

    Rereading the above article I came up with a different under standing. Please correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me, as if the author is wondering, why the people love Ethiopia while going through all these historical calamities.

    Assuming it was a question to know whether Ethiopians love their country more than their people or not. I would categorize Ethiopians love for both scenarios. The Greeks use different words to express love: Its gape to one and philia to the other etc. Love demands sacrifices. There are some who gave their youth, some gave their body parts to the extent of life. Unfortunately, now a days, peoples love is expressed by their emotional nationalism and patriotism bumped up by rallies and social media, evident during wars.

    Growing back in Addis we used to be forced to participate in rallies. The huge crowed would sing a propaganda chorus one group sing half and vice versa. The whole crowd actions and slogans are so energetic it would make you think of joining the army. In one particular event the chorus in Amharic was sung as follows:

    የዎያኔ ኑሮ
    ይለያል ዘንድሮ።

    የሻአብያ ኑሮ
    ይለያል ሀንድሮ።

    አንድ እግሩን የተቆረጠ ወታደር ብክራንች ሆኖ የተቆረጠ አግሩን እያወዛወዘ
    ሂድና ሞክረው፡ ሂድና ሞክረው አለ ይባላል።

    Be practical!
    thanks

    • Dis Donc

      Morning Aman Y.,

      For someone, who claims to have grown up in Addis, your attachment of Amharas being the center of everything Ethiopian is like a fish trying to walk and breath outside of its environs. As for the center (especially the city dwellers), as I told the other participant here, does not have a monolithic ethnic make up, you alluded it to be. I suppose you have your own twisted ulterior motive. And I hope that this is not the litany of the plethoras problems that y’all are cooking for Ethiopia.

      By the way, you made me laugh. Because the song you recited also used to contain “wenbedewoch” and “asgenTayyoch.” You didn’t leave that part out purposefully, did you? As I said, you have your own reason….

      • Aman Y.

        Afternoon Dis Donc,

        Thank you for reminding me ወንቤደዎች፣አስገንጣዮች I did not leave them purposely. How about, ድልድይ አፍራሾች?
        Any way, I do not think the centralization is taken by design or plan. I assume it to be an attribute acquired due to many chains of actions i.e… longer residence, more population, education opportunities etc.. Let’s take this war, who do you think are the agitators? The answer is the activists, the media and the elite in Addis. And who are the follower and implementers? I will leave the answer to you. I hope you understand me better.

        thanks

  • Ayneta

    Merhaba all:

    I admit the title of this article exteriorly seems weird and begs an anticipated response: Of course, Ethiopians do love their country. But a close analysis at the country’s history reveals that ”the love” is pushed by the Amhara elite and the masses are expected to sing it all along. This article underscores the typical mindset of Ethiopia and its people. A country which is the unwelcome champion of ageless famine, deprovision, war has not learned from its past mistakes and is happily and proudly showing off to the world the only thing it is comfortable with: war as a rectifying tool for its problems. A prime minster who officially told the world that l=not long time ago, ”the time is gone when Ethiopia will use war to solve its problems” has done exactly just that. He declared war on its own people under the disguise of ‘low and order’, exactly the same rationale used by former strongmen of the country to subjugate the fringe from the center. He is creating a cult personally around himself and the Amhara are the prime enablers. No matter how you look at it, the psychic behind the country’s mental outlook has remained fundamentally the same: beat your rival, declare nationalism, cultivate national fervor, consolidate the center and subjugate the periphery.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Ayneta,

      The psychic of Ethiopians and Eritreans is the same mold, as you have described it:

      “the psychic behind the country’s (countries) mental outlook has (have) remained fundamentally the same: beat your rival, declare nationalism, cultivate national fervor, consolidate the center and subjugate the periphery (the people)”

      Interestingly enough, because of that societal psychic, we are living in perpetual wars – where winners of the wars satiated by the ravages of poverties and the vanquished opponents. Actually, they celebrate wars and humiliation of human being. Look the war drum beaters in this forum, they are the reflection of that human psychic, who make funs with wars and death.

      Regards

      • Peace!

        Hi Emma,

        The irony is that you are too conscious about other people’s reactions which are just symptoms of the underlying cause to which you have unconditionally supported and vouched for. Where were you when your visionary leader invading neighboring country and killing women and children, were where you when your visionary leader executing peaceful protesters in broad daylight, were where you when your visionary leader waging a war against your own country and trying to occupy the uncontested city/port of Asssab? I guess war, looting, and executing peaceful protestors are acceptable when committed by TPLF.

        Peace!

        • Dis Donc

          Greetings amic, peace,

          An article was written yesterday by a westerner about the current war, the instigators, the recital for which TPLF was preparing itself for the current showdown, prediction and of course conclusion. Ayneta practically copied that article and doctored it so that it fits his (friends’) vision. Similar to what Aman Y. Did yesterday by copying and citing Plaut. They have become so bankrupt that they can’t even produce a convincing argument of their own making but plagiarize and doctor the work of somebody else. All these were supposed to impinge a subliminal message in the awate readers.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Dis Donc,

            Since when did quoting someone became plagiarizing? Do you have to refute anything about Isayas? When my son was six grade, he is in college now, he had an assignment to write an essay about his home land. After he was done researching about Eritrea. , he told me that he was not proud to be Eritrean. And he asked me who this Isayas. What would do you expect me to tell him about Isayas and what ERITRE and Eritreans have become under him.

            EritreanHillBily also asked,” What exactly is so precious in Tigray that is going to be sold in Asmara…” I hope I am okay to quote him.
            The truth is, let alone the residents, the Eritrean refugees own “precious” items. The last time I visited the camps(towns) I saw individual’s running all kinds of small businesses: and groups running bakeries, flour mills, cattle’s even one owned a horse cart but stopped because of motorized vehicles competition. Refugees were not allowed to own motorized vehicles. Eritreans also owned generators. One had a 300 kw and was servicing about 300 fellow refugees.
            Just to help you understand where I am coming for.

            thanks

          • Desbele

            Selam Aman,

            No one better know looters than the victims themselves. The Eritrean Catholic church properties in their health centers was seized by the mafia regime in Asmara just a year ago. Below is a quote from a letter from the church then ” The government can say it doesnt want the services of the Church, but asking for the property is not right”. If they denounce the looters today it is from past experience that their property might have end in Ashagolgol too and it is not right.

          • Aman Y.

            Hello Desbele.

            Indeed! Goods are the least of the loots by Isayas. It would have been worst to the church, had it not stood their ground.

            Thank you

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Aman, it is ok for you to quote me. Too much half-truth and mis-truth and just basic noise is getting propagated. It all sounds like Woyane propaganda. More like the Gugsa principle.
            The only thing to be taken in Ethiopia is property and value of 200k Eritreans that were deported in 1998.

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Aman Y.,

            Sorry for late reply. I was not accusing you of quoting Plaut as if equating it as plagiarism. No! You’re missing the point altogether. Plaut, along with other Tigrayans who reside in the west, basically are in a misinformation business just to incite hate and division. You quoting straight up was carrying that message. All that you added to the quote was “very sad!”

            By now you should know that nobody cares about in what you believe or in who for the latter has now been clear to all!! Had you added your grain of salt to that “copy and paste” it would have saved us sometime to figure out that you are in that toxic mix!!

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Peace,

          No one did abhor EPLF/PFDJ and TPLF than me throughout my political life. But I don’t repeat myself the same crying so frequently like you and your likes. And let me assure you this: even if you make the same accusation day in day out, it does not change who I am, and will not do it to satisfy my accusers. I don’t interpret politics based on what happened to me like yourself, I see politics in the moment how it will work in the interest of the public. I don’t carry my anger in perpetuity if I am going to play politics that serves to peace, stabilities, good neighborhood, and mutual economic benefits. Just your own politics as I do, and baseless accusation is not a practice of good politics. Just to bring it to your attention, if it could help you in your engagement.

    • Consolation

      Hello Ayneta,

      Any comment that ignores the role of the TPLF as the main agent of the build-up and initiation of the conflict is an exercise in futility. I will ignore the utter debasement of the TPLF thugs in the 27 years of their misrule of Ethiopia and examine their behaviour after their ouster from power and retreat to Mekele.

      Drunk with a bloated image of their importance and power, the TPLF leaders have been asking for it for 30 months. They refused to hand over indicted suspects. When Federal police went to Mekele to arrest Getachew Assefa, they were arrested instead and humiliated before being deported back to Addis. They refused to accept the peace deal that Abiy signed with Eritrea. They blocked the Ethiopian military from redeploying its units. In their endless official statements, they challenged Abiy’s authority at every opportunity and treated him with contempt. Through their network of terrorist agents, they incited endless acts violence in which thousands of Ethiopians died. Meanwhile, Abiy waited patiently, not taking any action. He was so meek that many Ethiopians began to lose faith in him. The TPLF thugs, taking his inaction as a sign of weakness, kept pushing up the ante. They then hatched a plot with Jawar to murder Hachalu with the intention of creating unstoppable chaos in Oromia as a prelude to taking back power.

      When the Hachalu plot failed, the TPLF decided to hold an election in defiance of the Federal government. It was obvious that a confrontation was inevitable. No one, not even a saint, could tolerate such open defiance. So Abiy started to take actions such as changing the currency and withholding the budget. For the pampered thugs, who had come to believe in their invincibility, that must have come with a shock. So they hatched an idiotic plan to start war by peremptively attacking and immobilizing the Northern Command, confiscate its weaponry, and then go on the offensive to drive to Addis. When Abiy, as head of the Ethiopian armed forces, reorganized the force in six armies, the TPLF thugs seeing an opportunity started in motion their putsch. So on that fateful night of Nov 3, 2020, taking advantage of the world’s preoccupation with the US elections, they set in motion an act which in retrospect is one of the greatest strategic blunders in history.

      By humiliating the Ethiopian military and not doing it decisively, they lost the advantage of initiative and surprise almost from the beginning. Within a couple of days, hordes of Amhara special forces poured into Welkait defeating the rag-tag Weyane military. The Ethiopian force recovered from the initial setback and routed the Weyane kicking them out of Humera, Welkait. The illiterate Weyane generals had no clue on how to use the advanced weaponry that they had stolen. The Ethiopian air-force soon destroyed it. They were kicked out of all Tigrayan cities and towns and destroyed in their hide-outs in Temben.

      The TPLF, an incompetent bunch of thugs, believing their own lies, started an action that saw their total demise. They had done Ethiopia a great favour. Their cruel and treacherous action on the Northern command, which had defended them for 20 years, will go down as one of the dirtiest acts of betrayal in the annals of the history of our region. With the cancer surgically removed, Ethiopia will have an easier time of solving all the ethnic problems designed by the TPLF over their 27 years of divide and rule. The Horn of Africa will be a peaceful and prosperous region.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Debas,

        What a hypocrite dude you are! You can’t talk about the misrule of other countries, while the worst misrule is ravaging your own country. No one will take you as serious person with such awful hypocrisy.

        • Abay

          Dear Mr. Hidrat,
          My greetings.
          I know it should be the moderator who should ask this but this being not done you are violating at least the following two of the recently posted revision on proper usage of commenting in your answering to Consolation?:

          …Though we are determined to keep an inviting atmosphere, it’s disheartening to see that a few have made bullying, abuse and wanton accusations of fellow members their central theme. It has to stop…
          …we are aware that many people are discouraged from participating due to gang intimidation’s and slurs that is running wild. And the keen observer might ask, how does tolerating such behaviors advance our primary goals? It doesn’t and we will not tolerate it anymore.
          I hope the directives will apply to all comments.

          You should really refute any refutable points but refrain from intimidating.
          My regards to you.
          Abay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abay,

            For God sake, where is my intimidating words in my comment you are referring or responding to? Showing his hypocrisy is not an intimidating by no means.

            I don’t like either intimidation or blackmailing. But when people do, I can’t help but respond in the same kind. Aren’t you watching people keep calling me digital wayane, including yourself at the beginning, by the way? Just show me if any of my reflex is without being provoked.
            Watch your language before you watch other’s language. That is the only thing I could tell you. I know what partisan politics is, and that is why you could not see the language of those who are on your side of the argument. Eg, Nitric, Dongolo, Horizon, consolation, Abiy, Tensae….etc.

            Regards

    • Abi

      Ayneta
      Both The title and the garbage it contains are intended to be belittling over 100 million Ethiopians. Otherwise, an individual or a team with an average mental well-being would never ask this kind of question and embarrassed itself. Defending a country, asserting law and order, bringing a known criminal entity all over the region to justice is questionable only in the bizarre world of Awate Team and the gullible followers like yourselves.
      Your racist comment is much better than the article. It focused only on the Amharas. At least the majority of Ethiopians are free from your zibazinke. As an Ethiopian and an Amhara it is an honor and privilege to defend a country. If the Amharas are behind PMAA, it is because they saw a vision in his efforts to unite the country to move forward.
      It is expected to read this kind of article along with comments like yours from a desperate bunch who have been waiting for the imaginary Tplf tanks . Nothing new. Ethiopians should expect the worst from Tplf activist groups and individuals.

  • Simon Kaleab

    Selam,

    Please, see below how Open Societies are vulnerable to attack by Totalitarian Systems.

    The Australian on Sunday reported on a leaked database allegedly of nearly 2 million members of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) who have infiltrated major corporations and academic institutions around the world.

    Among those named in the report are vital American companies like Boeing, Hewlett-Packard, Pfizer, and QualComm that are part of government and military supply chain

    According to the Australian, the database was pulled from a server in Shanghai by Chinese dissidents and leaked in September to the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC), a group of legislators from countries around the world, including Australia, Europe, Japan, and the United States. The American members are Sens. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Bob Menendez (D-NJ). The alliance has been active on issues such as Chinese persecution of minorities in Tibet and Xinjiang province, China blocking Taiwan from joining the World Health Organization, and China’s efforts to intimidate Australia.

    IPAC, in turn, provided the Chinese database to media organizations in Australia, the United Kingdom, Belgium, and Sweden. The media organizations analyzed the data for two months, leading up to the Australian publishing its story Sunday.

    “It is the first time a list of this scale has been leaked and it unveils the secrecy shrouding CCP operations and exposes how party branches are embedded in some of the world’s biggest companies, with intelligence experts warning China is using the structure to achieve global dominance,” the Australian wrote.

    The report quoted an unnamed Australian intelligence officer who described CCP penetration of foreign businesses, governments, and influential organizations as a “totally unacceptable security risk.”

    “In some cases, they go beyond being a security risk, and actually do the bidding of China in attempting to influence governments overseas. The recent raids in Sydney are an example of this,” the source said.

    This was a reference to raids conducted over the summer by the Australian Security Intelligence Organization (ASIO), Australia’s primary national security agency, as part of an investigation into Chinese Communist Party influence over Australian politics.

    “Allowing members of the CCP to work for such companies risks their stealing technology, providing intelligence to China on forthcoming weapons systems and capabilities, or on force structures built around those capabilities,” the Australian intelligence officer warned.

    “Imagine if a CCP member was allowed to work on the new Australian submarine project, and got technical data on the performance of the subs. This would give the Chinese navy a massive advantage and put Australian lives at risk,” the source said, referring to Australia’s plan to counter Chinese naval power by doubling the size of its submarine fleet.

    Sharri Markson, an author of the Australian’s report and also a Sky News Australia host, told Sky News on Sunday that the database contains personal details about 1.95 million CCP members plus 79,000 branches of the Chinese Communist Party, many of them established inside foreign companies.

    “Communist Party branches have been set up inside western companies, allowing the infiltration of those companies by CCP members — who, if called on, are answerable directly to the Communist Party, to the Chairman, the president himself,” Markson said, meaning Chinese dictator Xi Jinping.

    Markson said the leaked database will embarrass Xi by revealing “how the Party operates” under his rule, and will also “embarrass some global companies who appear to have no plan in place to protect their intellectual property from theft, from economic espionage.”

    Markson added there is no outstanding evidence that the CCP members listed in the database have “committed espionage.” She said the chief concern for Australian officials and corporate executives is if the penetrated companies and organizations are aware they have large numbers of active Communist Party members on their payrolls, and if “any steps have been taken to protect their data and people.”

    Asia News International (ANI) listed some of the U.S. companies of concern, beginning with Boeing, which had 287 CCP members working for its 21 Chinese branches in 2016:

    US company QualComm, which primarily makes hardware for intelligence and quantum computing globally and has patents on computer chips all around the world, including Australia, had 229 CCP members.

    In its report, The Australian revealed that the company Hewlett-Packard has 390 CCP members in 14 branches across its China operations, while ANZ Bank had 23 members listed in one branch in its Chinese operations.

    Moreover, pharmaceutical companies Pfizer and Astra-Zeneca, the front-runners in making the COVID-19 [coronavirus] vaccine, also have CCP members working for them. While Pfizer includes 69 members of the communist party workers in its Chinese subsidiary, AstraZeneca has 54 members.

    ANI noted that Germany’s Volkswagen, which has 5,700 CCP members working for its 131 branches, recently insisted that it will continue operations in Xinjiang province, where the Chinese government has imprisoned millions of Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps. Volkswagen rejected heavy pressure to shut down its Xinjiang facility in November, saying it could find no evidence of forced labor being used at the plant.

    The Australian did not print the names of the people in the database, only the companies and institutions they work for, but other media organizations and analysts have named a few of them. Australia’s News.com said Monday that one of the CCP members on the list is Chen Hong, a scholar based in Shanghai whose Australian visa was revoked in September after ASIO identified him as a possible security risk.

    “Professor Chen has criticized Australia in articles for the state-run Global Times newspaper, describing the COVID-19 travel ban as racist and accusing the country of ‘stabbing China in the back’ over Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s calls for an independent inquiry into the origins of the virus,” News.com recalled.

    Fox News noted Monday that, based on the Australian’s database report, at least ten foreign consulates in Shanghai have CCP members working in positions ranging from clerks to senior political and economic advisers, including the U.S. and U.K. consulates.

    Fox News also tied the database to the large number of CCP operatives discovered at American universities, a situation that prompted the shuttering of the Chinese consulate in Houston, the revelation in August of a massive Chinese intelligence operation to steal biomedical and artificial intelligence research, the announcement of 1,000 Chinese academic and research visas revoked by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in September, and last week’s revelation of ties between Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) of the House Intelligence Committee and a Chinese spy.

    The implication of the Fox News piece is that some of the Trump administration’s most aggressive moves against Chinese influence and espionage could have been guided by the leaked database, which dates back to 2016.

    Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) of the Homeland Security Committee told the New York Post on Sunday that the Australian’s revelations are “just more evidence of the extent to which the CCP has successfully infiltrated American companies and government.”

    “CCP agents have no place in US government facilities, and this report should serve as a much-needed wake-up call to Washington, D.C., and corporate executives, who continue to welcome the Chinese government with open arms,” Hawley said.

    As the New York Post observed, every CCP member swears a solemn oath to “fight for communism throughout my life, be ready at all times to sacrifice my all for the party and the people, and never betray the party [and] guard party secrets, be loyal to the party.”

    China’s state-run Global Times quickly sought to dismiss the Australian’s reporting, denouncing its coverage as a “witch hunt” on Monday and castigating foreign media for ignoring the “massive privacy breach” represented by the database.

    The Global Times quoted none other than Chen Hong — the academic mentioned above who was deemed a security risk by ASIO — claiming the database is “complete erroneous” and insisting he personally has never been a member of the CCP. A few other Chinese employees of foreign firms told the Global Times they are indeed CCP members but insisted this has no bearing on their reliability or loyalty to their employers.

    • saay7

      Selamat Simon:

      This is indeed an awesome read.

      One thing I never understood from my generation, which has first hand knowledge of the brutal and suffocating power of communism, flirts so readily with its older sister socialism.

      Anyway, I am saddened to learn of who the two American members of APAC are two empty suits, one a Bible verse dropping 65 inches of ambition, the other an equally oily salesman.

      Trump, for all his instincts, appears to gravitate to Strong Men (in addition to the relics in the Middle East) he loves his South East monsters in the Philippines and China, because we “get along” (I always wonder what William F Buckley would say if he were alive and in his 50s now.)

      Anyway the guardians of our liberty right now are too tongue tie to spell out the name of the Chinese ruling party. It’s hate speech to say Communist China. And the politicians from our native lands? They signed long term documents of indebtedness as they made fiery speeches on neo colonialism.

      Screwed at home. Screwed abroad.

      Thanks Simon.

      Btw Is this you summarizing or you are sourcing someone? If the former, awesome. If the latter share the link please.

      Saay

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam Saay,

        Only the first sentence is mine.

        The rest is copied, as links are not allowed during week days.

        Thank you.

    • Dis Donc

      Morning Simon,

      As known, each country has its own trademark for progress. For example, save few universities in the US (west in general) almost all are designed for brain drain. In a bid to accelerate their progress, economic expansion, and attract cheap labor the west keeps on enticing millions of Chinese students and professionals annually. Whereas in China, save few, every tertiary level institution is designed to copy progress from elsewhere. Suffice to get a glimpse of their educational platform called baidu, webo, …. Armed with this, it begs questioning the effectiveness of the 100+ intelligent agencies in respective western states/countries. Evidence shows that there are treasonous (not just infiltration by the Chinese) elements in these agencies.

      The paw-wow between east vs west is not limited to the espionage industry but also military, space, trade, debt…. In Spanish this kind of haggle and wrangle is called “escarcha de cebolla” or “onion rings” with each layer having its own degree of burn. En fin, I would have like us to have written our own success stories rather than decanting about east-west yim-yams.

      PS: “escarcha de cebolla” is a poem written by the Spanish republican Miguel Hernandez while languishing in Franco’s jail. It was later popularized by the Catalan poet/author/singer Joan Manuel Serrat as “Nanas de cebolla.”

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    As you all know we have tried to keep this platform free and accommodating. Unfortunately, out leniency in tolerating indecency are abused. We feel this forum is being taken for granted by a few members. That’s why we would like to put a few things in order:

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    2- Though we are determined to keep an inviting atmosphere, it’s disheartening to see that a few have made bullying, abuse and wanton accusations of fellow members their central theme. It has to stop.

    3- we are aware that many people are discouraged from participating due to gang intimidation’s and slurs that is running wild. And the keen observer might ask, how does tolerating such behaviors advance our primary goals? It doesn’t and we will not tolerate it anymore.

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    • Ismail AA

      Dear Awate,

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      • Dongolo

        Selam Ismail AA. Many within the PFDJ are ex-EPLF who are in their late 40s thru early 60s (still relatively young politically speaking). If member(s) of this group assume power in a post PIA scenario, would you be willing to work with/support them or are you adamant on complete regime change?

        • Consolation

          Selam Dongolo,

          The question is not what he and people like him would be willing to accept but rather whether anyone in Eritrea will allow those who worked for 20 years with the TPLF back into Eritrea. They are as discredited as the members of Derg’s Workers Party of Ethiopia. The less said about them the better!

        • Ismail AA

          Selam Dongolo,

          Aside from what one-dimension minded types like the who popped up to respond to what you asked me, our future as an evolving polity lies in an all inclusively constructed national constitution whose spirit and content sanctify the rights of citizens under the supremacy of the rule of law that clearly define rights and duties of a free Eritrean person.
          Who comes or wins to rule and govern is side issue at this juncture of our not so long existence as a nation. When we will be through with the necessary ground work, the only person who should assume responsibility under the law will be loyal citizen with clean record from crime. So, for me at least, it is superfluous or very simplistic to frame a question of the kind you asked me in generational framework.

  • Aman Y.

    Hi all,
    A twit by Martin Plaut citing CNN

    “The Catholic Church in Eritrea has asked its faithful not to purchase any of the things coming from Tigray after the widespread looting. Goods are being stored just outside of Asmara at Ashagolgol, a military area base,” Very sad.

    • Dis Donc

      Hola Aman Y.,

      I wouldn’t put much weight in what he and his escorias say/twitt about for it has become clear to all that they spew nothing but hate and white lies. Yesterday he twitted the bombardment of También and turned out to be a false claim. He’s been at it from the beginning anyways…. I guess these are desperate times and hence desperate measures are needed….

      What he and the TPLF do not know is that they dug their own graves. First by alienating the city dueling youth; uprooting them and then chasing them out of the country. This block is now a well educated and in some cases very influentials individuals. The second factor is that of socio-industrial nature. In decades to come, the human population will be restricted with city limits with everything being fabricated from food/meat consumption to apparels. I have no idea but it just shows you the fact that TPLF and its supporters are shortsighted toasts!!! What is strange is that those who make a macaw like cameo appearances, by not well informed, are expose themselves being sold outs. I guess they had nothing to do but oppress for the 30+ years.

      • Aman Y.

        Selam Dis Donc,

        Thank you for your advice. The communication black out and lack of independent media on the ground is frustrating. I am glad to that Tambien’s bombardment was erroneous. It is good to have journalists of different angles. I do not believe non partisan as such, but I do not believe they always lie. I am learning to see all objectively.

        My family is a victim of the Eritrean expulsion. Fortunately, they have not experienced much beside loosing their house and their for cheap. Unlike the leaders, the neighbors including Tigrayans saw them off weeping.

        Like you said, what goes around comes around. Yes, TPLF was all the negotiation endeavors. So please let’s let go the past and collaborate for the generation. It is not worth it to have grudges to be vengeful.

        To be honest with you I was more angry with PIA for imprisoning not only two of my families but other innocent people for decades. I believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Finally, my anger for Isayas is so warn out I wish him more years with a sound mind.

        Thanks,

        • Desbele

          Selam Aman,

          We two seem to have a similar experience. My parents were deported from Addis 20yrs ago. We cope with that trauma and have very much healed. More horrible was our life in Eritrea which culminated in the entire family forced out within the last 20yrs. It will be wrong to blame TPLF for all of the wrongs in Eritrea. It may feel good for the time to externalize failures but would not produce any result on the ground. Isaias has instigated the border war and now has involved in Ethiopian civil war. Lack of accountability in the former has led to more blunders and war adventures at the expense of Eritrean lives. I agree on most of your write-up but not on the last sentence. Isayas must face justice. I would even say his natural death is collective failure to Eritreans as much is a relief. No excuse for his crimes against humanity on the whole people of Eritrea.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Desbele,

            Sorry to hear the hardship your parents went through. I appreciate your remarks about my last sentence. I knew some one will call me for that. I agree with what you said and more about Isaias, I do not have enough words to express my disappointment with him . Finally, the last sentence was hoping , Isayas, with his new “sound mind” would undo all his atrocities. And judge himself accordingly. What do you imagine he will sentence himself.

            thanks

          • Nitricc

            Desbele; Every time i read your posts, you keep telling different story. Now i know you are suffering from what they call ” Stockholm Syndrome” Weyane bend you and did all that and you are serving the evil TPLF. I am just guessing the pain you are suffering due to TPLF’s elimination. TPLF is gone, now what? Your midget god Melles escaped from witnessing what has just happend and PIA lived to see your thugs to go down, that is the blessing. I am sorry for your suffering. Guess who faced justice? Your thugs!!!!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Nitricc,

            Is the word “thugs” PFDJ approved?

            You can accuse the TPLF of killing Eritrean army officers, thereby triggering the conflict. Next, the TPLF, expelling Eritreans from Ethiopia indiscriminately and for refusing to abide by the border ruling.

            But, calling the TPLF “thugs” is, like one thug calling another thug a thug. It is The War of the Thugs! England had the ‘War of the Roses’ in the 15th century.

          • Nitricc

            ??????????

          • Peace!

            Hi Desbele

            “Isayas must face justice. I would even say his natural death is collective failure to Eritreans as much is a relief. No excuse for his crimes against humanity on the whole people of Eritrea.”

            I agree and you haven’t discovered anything new. In fact this has been in the mind of almost all Eritreans for the last two decades. The accusations against the dictator are valid, and the discovery stage has produced mounting evidences to support the accusations. In other words you have a naked and internationally recognized brutal dictator for years. The question is rather what did you do about it and what have you accomplished? This is the time to assess the efforts and strategies taken to bring the dictator to justice. Unfortunately sleeping with TPLF, praising YG, and using refugees as a political tool have not produced anything rather created a breathing room for the accused to further subjugate you. If injustice is the issue then be principled and fight against it otherwise you can’t fight injustice at home and support elsewhere unless the motive for such position is something else. It clearly accentuates that we are victims of our own hypocrisy.

            Moreover, the 20+ Opposition groups have failed to evolve and produce brave leaders to lead Eritreans claim their country and bring the accused to justice. It is time to be open and take full responsibility for the critical shortcomings, and come up with alternatives for moving forward. Muquzam day in day out is not a solution.

            Peace!

          • Desbele

            Hi Peace,
            Let me quote and respond to,
            1. “In fact this(bringing DIA to justice) has been in the mind of almost all Eritreans for the last two decades” –
            What is your evidence for this? Just in this forum alone i have witnessed people creepily celebrating DIA and excuse him of his crimes against Eritreans. Surely the motive behind is not their love for him but the hate to TPLF. A simple task of defining the enemy has been a monumental challenge. A young satirist Temsgen has smartly put it in “Kebri Isaias” – ኢሳያስ , ኣብ ኣእምሮ ሕዝቢ ኤርትራ ብዓይኒ ዘይረኣይ ጸላኢ ኣቀሚጡ ን20 ዓመት ዋርድያ ዘውጽአ ትጉህ መራሒ እዩ ነይሩ”
            2. “… sleeping with TPLF, praising YG, and using refugees as a political tool have not produced anything…”
            Right now Many Eritreans are working for the protection of Eritrean refugees in Tigray. Is it wrong? Label it anything you want but advocacy for their safety and humanitarian assistance from fellow Eritreans is commendable. Again the hate to TPLF has blinded many to ignore the endangerment on them from the ongoing war in Tigray.
            YG – individual entitled to his opinions. I dont understand you obsession with him. Tolerate diversity of ideas however opposite to yours. If you see me praise him , it is for his courage- Name, face, idea presented in bold. I see it in this forum from AH, SGJ, Isamael. We need more of them. It doesnt mean we agree all the time.
            3. “Moreover, the 20+ Opposition groups have failed to evolve” …
            I will just leave you to ponder again with SGJs previous response to you , “could you care to tell us the names of the 20 opposition. groups? What qualifies any person or persons to be considered an opposition group? Can you as an individual be considered an opposition?
            4. “Muquzam day in day out is not a solution.”—
            እንዳቆዘምካስ ፣ ምቁዛም ኩልኩል እዩ። It just doesnt make sense.

          • Peace!

            Hi Dessu,

            1.How many of them? Their number is negligible. It is a fact 90%+ of Eritreans are victims of PFDJ. If the oppressed fail to come together and liberate themselves, it doesn’t necessary mean the oppressor is smart.

            2.I am not talking about today rather assessing the positions, efforts, and directions adapted in the last 25+ years and reconcile with where we at now. Plus YG has every right to express his opinion. The point is has his effort or role helped advance the cause you are pointing out? Sadly not even a dent.

            3.As for the number of Opposition Groups, Saleh Johar and Amanuel Hidrat the two veterans have debated several times and can’t even come close to an agreement. I remember Saleh came up with 16 and Amanue Hidrat’s was more. Even if I changed to 16+, it won’t change the sad fact. Finally, Muquzam and Temokruka Medihsas are two different thing.

            Peace!

        • Dis Donc

          Dear Aman Y.

          Humans by their nature are unforgiving creatures. If that was the case we wouldn’t be hearing the cry of many here about past quibbles of ELF vs. EPLF. Foolishly or otherwise, TPLF offered itself in that toxic mix. The rest of Ethiopians, after watching from afar, warned and later ditched TPLF for they didn’t want to invite any of that wanton destruction into the center. In short, the trios have an ax to grind as such they should look for a place where they can duke it out.

          That being the case, cooperation requires confidence in opposing counter parties. Confidence in turn requires a necessary ingredient called peace. Peace being a TANGO with its own choreographed COPLA. The absence thereof is caos and mistrust. And that is what you are observing between Tigray and Eritrea. It’s not between the trios anymore.

          So how do other societies came over these nagging puzzle conundrums? Simple! Democracy and election. By having different parties with different personalities, old grudges do get minimized. Better yet, they get dealt with local and international laws. And over time, generations would only draw lessons from them and avoid repeating them altogether for they are consequential. What you observe is that, after half a century, these very deranged trios are still calling the shots.

    • EritreanHillBilly

      Aman,
      This sounds like a saturday night live skit. What exactly is so precious in Tigray that is going to be sold in Asmara…
      I don’t think Martin Plaut is a responsible critic of the government… his accusation are becoming more fantastic.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Eritrean; He knows but he is just serving his Tigryan duty. What exactly does one take from Adigrat? This is crazy. This Aman-Y is a digital who is trying anything in his last ditch. What Tigryans didn’t know is that when PMAA went to Meqelle and gave a Game-Over speech in your face; that is it. Just forty days a go, Debretsion gave a speech of we are ready for war and on the same place PMAA gave a speech game-over. They know No Eritrean will take their toothless things but they must brush every accusation that comes along.

        • EritreanHillBilly

          Nitricc,
          As an Eritrean, what I don’t understand or can’t comprehend for life of me is where does the TPLF or Woyane hostilities toward Eritrea and Eritrean comes from?
          I have met a lot of Amharas in America and they are positive and confident and always bragging about Ethiopia this and Ethiopia that… they show nothing but positivity toward Eritrea… And I am not talking recently- I am talking about the last 25+ years…
          However, when I met a Tigrayan they got nothing be negativity toward Eritrea in general and Eritrean in specific…
          The simple question I ask is what have Eritrean people have done to them?
          It is a weird reaction.

          • sara

            selamat EH,
            from old stories i heard , its grudges from the past work of asmara municipal workers not eritrean people. the municipality has a red pick up track that used to hunt undocumented migrants and deport them from where they come , the same track also was used to pick stray dogs and take them to dogs sanctuary. this could be one of the reasons they developed hatred of eritreans.
            so the blame and hatred should have been to the mayor of asmara of those days than the people of eritrea.

          • abdu

            salam Sara
            That could be one of the reason BTW the name of the truck was LEMLEM, there are a lot of other reasons as well, they may be different from person to person but common to those grew up in Asmara during the derg most of the youth associations (known as nay wotat mahber) used to be under their control. we were being abused by the power they had. one of their leader by the name of Tsega Luul. he was terrorizing Eritrean Youth in Asmara but thanks to Tegadelti they Assassinated him on daylight in the downtown Asmara.
            Deqi Asmara used to show them their anger and hatred. by calling names relating to their actions against Eritreans.
            They forgot what they did, now they hate us because they think we used to hate them for no reason.
            thanks

          • Hashela

            Selam Abdu, Sara, EHB

            I thought the following observation help us realize how deep the grudges of Tigrayan elites is seated. It seems that Tigrayan politics is driven by grudges not by ideas

            “My own personal experience with the Weyane leadership came in 1979, when two of their leaders visited the base areas of the EPLF and made a speaking tour. I attended one of these and heard the speaker lament and condemn the indignities and insults suffered by the people of Tigray. He even ran down the list of degrading “nicknames” that other peoples (including, by the way, Eritreans) attached to them. All that, he said, was to be put right. I remember distinctly, leaving the meeting puzzled by the speech. He discussed neither ideology, which we had all expected, nor Ethiopian nationalism, which would have been natural. There was no doubt, we all concluded, that the TPLF’s loyalty was to Tigray, not Ethiopia as a whole. The thing that worried us most, however, was the reasons he listed as grounds for their struggle. The question was whether an armed organization whose leaders think they are looked down upon, belittled, and ignored by all around them, can ever feel rectified. Ours was a war of independence pure and simple – we wanted the enemy out of our country. Theirs, we felt, had a frightening psychological aspect. Satisfaction for them could only come, we agreed, if they rose above the common run, from which elevated status they could “do unto others as had done been unto them”. Danger there, somewhere!”

            Source: Alemseged Tesfay: “The March of Folly” Re-enacted: A Personal View. Eritrean Studies Review (1999), volume 3. Number 2, page 2016

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Interesting… That is unfortunate… they just need to focus their energy in improving their situation ignoring the noise coming from elsewhere…

          • Selam Hashela,

            I doubt that tplf revolted because Tigraysns were treated as second class citizens in Ethiopia. We all knew Tigrayan students. One thing was conspicuous about them, that they would isolate themselves into their own group, the only thing I remember. Otherwise, there was no problem among us. The same, I think, was e in the ethiopian society. In general, i doubt that they were descriminated against.

            The fact that they had been far from central power which they enjoyed once upon a time, and the lust for power and riches played rather an important role than any other reason. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have kept the people of Tigray poor and enriched themselves, they wouldn’t have used them and later forgotten all about them, and now they’re ready to sacrifice Tigrayans if they had followed them.

            What was their problem with the federal government? It was not because Tigrayas are mistreated under the new government, or truely cared for the different ethnic groups, federalism and the constitution as they say, etc. It was all about their extreme love for power and all that goes with it when one is corrupted. HMD was their puppet, and when they saw that Abiy was different, they swore to destroy him, and Ethiopia with him.

            The grudge of Tigrayan elites was personal and was not about the people. If they loved the people of Tigray, they wouldn’t have hated so much anything Amhara. I don’t think that any group would revolt against the central government, because of derogatory terms used against them in society, unless they were looking for a reason and they couldn’t find one.

            The manifesto of greater tigray was not born in a vacuum. If they couldn’t rule ethiopia, the aim was to rule independent tigray. But, when they found themselves on the throne of power at aratkillo, which they never expected, they turned around and told us that they have dumped the idea. When they were chased out of power, they started to sing the old song of independent tigray.

            If they have an ideology, and one could call it an ideology, it was their narrow group interest. To tell the truth, when they came in 1991 after the inhuman derg, Ethiopians hoped for a better day. They were dumbfounded when Ethiopians learnt how much tplf hated Ethiopia and Amaras and that it came to kill and loot rather than to free the people from dictatorship. Ethiopians felt that they had jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            I think Alemseged’s article is misunderstood. My take is that
            the foundational pillar of TPLF was grudges based on PERCEIVED “looked down upon”. It is an explosive and toxic mix of feeling superior and feeling not recognized as such.

          • Selam Hashela,

            It may be right. But, the main question that comes to mind is, why should they feel superior, and why should other Ethiopian accept that they are superior? Maybe that was the reason that mz said in front of the ethiopian public that he was proud to have been born from the golden people of tigray, as if the rest of ethiopians belonged to a silver and bronze group. That was extremely racist, even if it was the result of an inferiority complex.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            The following is written by Mogos Abraham (PhD) and published in Aiga Forum in 15/12/2020. I highlighted statements that harbor the dream of territorial expansion, ethnic homogeneity!, and African Israel (superiority).

            “Tigrai will be a multidimensional center of gravity regionally: (i) geopolitical strategic location; (ii) the infinite wealth of history and culture; (iii) highly productive young generation; (iv) the wealth of renewable and non-renewable natural resources; (v) the huge potential for tourism industry; (vi) the densely populated and strongly bonded homogeneous social capital; (vii) fiercely nationalist and highly disciplined population; (viii) highly respected and feared military might; (ix) an enabling effective political governance system; and much more will make Tigrai an African Israelite-Tiger.”

          • Selam Hashela,

            Many thanks for the info. It is more of a rhetoric than the reality on the ground, and the product of their imagination. Pride comes before a fall, and that is exactly what happened. Let’s hope that they will draw a lesson from their blunder.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            Thank you for sharing. And this exactly why, those of us who insist no matter (regardless the atrocities committed by PFDJ) that we wanted our boarder demarcated. We wanted to end any future ambition of any Tigray to force us into conflict where we do not have the law / legal means in our hands.

            It does not mean, a small pilars in the ground will stop them to make problems in the future, but it’s one things they can force themselves and occupy a land that doesn’t belong to them illegally but it’s another thing to claim it as theirs.

            The simple analogy is..suppose there is an empty house that belongs to someone. A homeless squatter can come in and live there as long as there is no body to stop him. But years later, he can feels like it’s home and it belongs to him. But when the owner shows up with his ownership papers, and ask him to leave, he will claim this is my house I lived here for 10 years, no body bothered me before.

            That’s when you call the police and bring the bulldozer if you have too and throw him out.

            That’s is why the TPLF never want to see the boarder demarcated and the pillars put into the ground. They want to some how make a claim. In their case it’s not only about Badime, but they are convinced that as times go on for a long time, they can make a claim to the whole Eritrea, so they don’t want anything that can refute their claims. They are ok to see the whole Eritrean population exiled, and going to Europe while they are multiplying and growing, and increase their Eritrean sympathizers, at the highest level (like Amanuel Sahel) to convince and buy them out to declare we are “ONE PEOPLE” and make their dream a reality.

            Who is the memhir who was in charge of their election said in one of the conference he had with Amanuel Sahel said something like this

            ህውሓት ተጸበዩ ኢሎምና፡ ተጸቢና ፥ ህዝቢ ግን ኵውዳእ ይኽእል ድዩ?

            Berhe

          • sara

            selamat abdu,
            you are right i heard there was this guy you mentioned,but luckily i was too young then, i didn’t face the atrocities and terror you young boys faced those days.

    • Hashela

      Dear Awate

      I checked and found out that Martin Plaut did not cite CNN as a source. In fact, Martin Plaut did not cite any source for his claim that is irresponsibly repeated by Aman Y.

      In its recent post, the Awate team admitted that so far there is no independently verifiable evidence for a large-scale Eritrean involvement in the inter Ethiopian conflict. Given its highly double and insidious nature, don’t you think that this post belongs deleted. Do you think this post contributes to reconciliation between Eritreans and post-TPLF Tigrayans, an idea you claim to advocate for?

      Thank you

      • Consolation

        Hashella,

        His source is Amanuel Iyasu of assena, popularly known as Hasenna. Martin Plaut must have been paid well to conduct such zealous mission to defend the TPLF and besmirch Eritrea. Once the dust settles, the Tigrayans should be made to apologize for all their crimes against Eritrea.

        • Abi

          Consolation
          Which group of Tigrayans you demand apology from?
          Those who have been abusing their power for the last 28 years are either dead or running for their lives or hiding in the ditches. Expecting apologies from these things is just something impossible.
          The other group of Tgrayans has been abused and used by their own children. They are the victims themselves. You don’t probably expect apologies from this group of people.

          • Consolation

            Hi Abi,

            After a demise of the TPLF, the number of deleted comments has dramatically increased. I am trying to figure out the reason for this. Just 3 month back, 2.7 million Tigrayans voted for the TPLF thugs. They can’t all of them have been abused. Whoever represents them now will have to apologize because the crimes were committed in their name.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I’m disappointed by your lack of attention:) We have discussed in this forum that about 10,000,000 ( 10 million) votes were casted for Tplf.

            I understand crimes have been committed in the name of the Tigray People. I like to see the ordinary people separated from the thugs. Look at the confused militia as an example. Of course, the same people were forced to vote for the thugs. If they refused to vote, they definitely lose their monthly ratios . I’m trying to put it lightly. I refrain to blame them since they were under a tremendous pressure from the cadres.
            Those committed the crimes are dying or already dead. The rest are counting their days in ditches.
            I believe you need to give ample time for the upcoming leadership in Tigray.
            Soon, you will hear about the killing underground prisons all over Tigray where thousands of Amharas and Tigrayans got killed and tortured.

            I hope you find this letter before the moderator delete it.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Hashela; I posted about the motive this tigryan to Eritrean and they deleted my post. So, may be they wanted it. How long is Africa to suffer by jobless whites? As you can see, Aman-Y lied by saying CNN and still his post standing. You go figure.

        • Hashela

          Hi Nitricc

          I understand that since yesterday Awate has created an ecological sanctuary for the highly endangered species.
          My hope is that Awate finds a balance act between protecting this species and allowing unsubstantiated claims by that group to be challenged.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Hashela; I understand but they should respect what they preach. They tell you not preach hate and mistrust yet, when it fits them, they entertain and support hateful, unconfirmed and lies with no problem. They can get rid of us, we have finished our work. Weyane is dead. Digital weyane is out of service and my beloved Eritrea is safe, well and alive.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Hashela. You are 100% correct. Since yesterday, boundaries for fair engagement no longer exist and a double standard now prevails.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Hashela (apology in advance if wrongly addressed you),

            From your comment, I surmised that you are an expert on organic nature. I am at loss to stich together the analogy you set between “flora and fauna”, and what you complained about, namely, the moderators refurbishing their work, which I think is quite normal under specific circumstances. Don’t you think even nature too revitalizes itself. That is why people allow soil to rejuvenate itself by letting it fallow for years. Of course, I am taking the issue from amateurish angle.

            Now, the point is that what Awate.com did was to harness a few aberrant or erratic hot tempered who refuse to abide by what check and balance self censorship require, and behave ready to step in to terrain of indecency as long as it served their purpose. As you know, this leads to chaos.

            Moreover, as a passing remark, if I may, I did not get you when you opined about existence of “endangered species, which I thought cannot but falls as over burdening terminology of one discipline by another: in this case a forum designed to provide a space to opinions.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            Hashela and his allies took themselves as the only truth bearers, especially words they got from the despot in our home. Individuals like that are not worth to engage until they swallow their false rhetorics. Who are the fauna and flora to begin with, by the way? Nothing can be gleaned out of it. I wouldn’t give a hoot to such irrelevant and derisive comment. The worst thing I saw is, demanding to remove the editorial that doesn’t go with political taste. Very Strange! If they are capable enough they can write an article to rebut it. Otherwise pls remove it, I don’t like is a thing you don’t expect from educated elements.

            Regard

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman,

            I thought Hashela is an enlightened and learned brother. I take him to be different than a few who behave rough and rude. That is why I thought to exchange a few words with him in regard to what the moderators do and not do as required by their responsibility though I know on ne among the few has proven immune to advices, and even throwing him out from the forum, and demonstrated that he cannot engage without being rude. I think he took things at face value when someone chatted with him, long ago, that he was humorous, and from then on he has been trying to juxtapose his so-called humor with raw rudeness, and persuaded himself that he can go away with what ever he throws left and right at will. Otherwise, you are right that some should just be ignored.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Brother Ismail,

            Aman use to say so, also the same when we argue with this,,

            Yes you are I thought also Hashela is an enlightened and learned brother. I totally ignore this kind of debaters those days..

            KS,,

          • Berhe Y

            Selam KS,

            I think we are losing our common sense.

            How is this statement made Marin Plautus and repeated by Aman Y. does not disturb you.


            A twit by Martin Plaut
            "The Catholic Church in Eritrea has asked its faithful not to purchase any of the things coming from Tigray after the widespread looting. Goods are being stored just outside of Asmara at Ashagolgol, a military area base," Very sad.

            This implies:

            1) Eritreans are looting Tigray
            2) The Eritrean Catholic Church has verified it it’s true.
            3) The catholic church while inside Eritrea is taking such a stand against the “looters”.
            4) The goods are stored at “asha Golgol”.

            How on earth is all this happening and no body is able to take pictures and forward them.

            What is the objective here?

            Is the objective to create animosity and hate between the people of Tigray (by misinforming them) and the Eritrean people (to be defensive).

            All Hashela asked is what a normal caring person who is responsible to do.

            He said to awate Do you think this post contributes to a post-TPLF reconciliation between Eritreans and Tigrayans, an idea you claim to advocate for? .

            What exactly is wrong in what he said. And if someone disagree, wouldn’t it better to disagree to what he wrote as suppose to go after his character.

            Aman Y.

            Even if what was said is true, I think it would be better if it was left out until proof is obtained.

            I don’t think it will help the long term relationship between the two people.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            This shows that you got an uphill battle against the Tplf activists who betrayed their country. I was expecting every Eritrean to denounce the statement under discussion.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            What I am finding very hard to believe is (I am slow) what really is the objective.

            Now more than ever I wanted Abiy to win and come out successful and prove all these people wrong, when electricity, internet is restored.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            you are slowly catching up:)
            The objective was to implicate Eritreans in the looting of properties from Tigray. What is extraordinary now is the news implied that the Catholic Church is aware of the situation. The Church is kind of witness in this situation.

            The relentless attacks on PMAA from the Tplf activists will die out in few weeks. The sponsors are on the run to save their miserable lives. The Abiy government is going to reveal the names of those dead , wounded and apprehended to the public after the families have been notified.
            The militia is returning to their farms after turning in their armaments to the federal army. No questions asked.
            Electricity and telephone services are being restored. Tigray is getting back to normal. Businesses and government agencies are all operating normally. Soon all the lies will be exposed. Game Over!

          • Selam Bethel Y.,

            If tplf had won this war, the horn of Africa would have been a different place. Most probably Eritrea would have been overrun with the help of Eritrean tplf sympathizers, otherwise closet agazians, and the dream of greater tigray would have been a reality. The fact that Ethiopians are accused for loving their country, is a plot to undermine the country’s sovereignty and the unity of the people. This love for their country has saved both Ethiopia and Eritrea, in this difficult hours of their history.
            The horn of africa would have been on fire, and the genocide that would have occurred would have dwarfed the Rwanda genocide, while tplf and its stooges would have been laughing at the loss of others.
            Most people do not see a difference between loving their country and their people.

            Expecting that the government should have retreated for the sake of peace when war was declared upon the nation, thus sparing and sanitizing the force that attacked the country, is a sinister naivity, no one nowhere else in the world is going to accept. As much as there are people who hate Ethiopia, fortunately, the big majority of Ethiopians love their country. It is this fact that saved the whole region in this war.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon and Berhe

            What some people don’t want to understand the motivation by behind the intense propaganda of looting by the Eritrean army and genocide act on Tigrayans by Amharas and Eritreans is to leave a seed for recurring hate and violence among the closely related people.

          • Selam Hashela,

            Tplf said the same thing in the 1998-2000 war, that the Eritrean army was looting zalambesa and its environs. You see, tplf knows very well what stealing and looting are, and it believes that everybody is doing it, to help it rationalize its weaknesses. The fact that tplf said that Eritrean soldiers were stealing mango trees (fruits), etc, is stretching the lie to the extreme, that made their lies implausible. Even then, it is a news for some, and tplf attacking Asmara with rockets, is not a major news for those who care for tplf, nor the fact that tplf murdered Ethiopian soldiers in their sleep that led to the war, and it also committed genocide on the Amhara ethnic group.

            One of the things this war taught us is that the people of Tigray are superior, politically, socially and ethically compared to the mafia group and its supporters. They showed the world that they don’t believe tplf’s lies and that of its digital woyane, by receiving the federal army with open arms and returning to the military the arms that were distributed by tplf. Whatever tplf may have said about Eritreans, their presence in Tigray and the so-called looting, the people of Tigray are not going to believe any of it.

            The biggest losers are those who conspired with tplf, from within and outside Tigray, of course, digital woyane, especially the Eritrean branch, some confused Ethiopians who want us to believe that they are not tplf, but they are ready to give their lives for tplf, and most of all, foreign journalists, like martin plaut, alex du waal, and others who sold their integrity for some silver coins.

            It is going to be a new beginning for Ethiopia and Eritrea and a bright future will dawn upon them, once tplf is gone forever. Their ambition for power and money of tplf supporters, who stood on the side of the junta while at the same time they said that they stood for the people, will remain unfulfilled, and the sour taste of failure will be too much for them as they are aging.

          • Barolle

            Selam Berhe Y,

            I have honestly been interested in knowing what has been looted if the unverified accusation is true, which I strongly doubt.

            “Eritreans looted Tigray”… my goodness. What do they have to loot? One could think they stole the latest electronic hardwares, gold, or something of value when in reality it’s probably 3 fingals, some coffee beans and a jebena minus two eggs that they discovered were rotten.

          • Hashela

            Selam Barolle

            No popcorn and no Himbasha/gogo?

          • Barolle

            Selam Hashela,

            Yeah, that too. 😁
            Probably dry himbasha….

            Martin Pullout, too bad his dad didn’t pull out in time. Uuuwwweeeiii, hopefully Awate Team have humor.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Barolle,

            ሓደ መሃርን ንዘልኣለም መዛኻኸሪ ዝኾነ ቢሂል ባህልና አሎና:: ንሱኸአ ከምዚ ዝስዕብ’ዩ:: “ክንዲ ብጹሕ ውላድካ አይትምሓል”:: ስለዚ አሽንኳይዶ ንጠባይ መንግስታትን ንዕጡቅ ወተሃደራትን ክትምሕልን ክትጣበቅን ብጠባይ ብጹሕ ውላድካ እንተኾነውን ክትምሕልን ክትጣበቅን አሽጋሪ’ዩ:: ክሳዕ’ቲ ዘዕግበካ ሓቂ ዝወጽእ ምጽባይ አድላይ ኮይኑ ይስመዓኒ:: Otherwise, when it becomes true, you will be disappointed.

            Regards

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            “ክንዲ ብጹሕ ውላድካ አይትምሓል”:: This wise reminder applies to you as well.

          • Barolle

            Selam Aman H,

            TerediEka alekho, gin ane himaq aykonen maletey. Decha seb kab haftam seb ayfalaliyon iye. Eritrawi sereqti keblo keleo gin yehriq iyo. Ne kollo seb iye dechbir, be fillay hewatna Tegaru, gin natom merahti ey degefomin iye. Ne adey, aw seb adey, dehen tzerifu ke meleslom iye malet iyo. Mesfin haf haf yebil alo hegi sereqti tebahilo hizbina, gin eso ney TPLF ye degefom nero. Etan kemoO, zeraba nato behanti ezni atiyo betihade kewetzi iyo.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Barolle,

            Yes I understood your drift. Done or not done, it could make us uncomfortable to hear the accusation. In spite of that, we should try to hold our values intact. I know you are not bad. But we reminded each other when we are derailed from our values.

            Regards

          • Barolle

            Selam Aman H,

            TerediEka alekho, gin ane himaq aykonkon maletey.
            Decha seb kab haftam seb ayfalaliyon iye. Eritrawi sereqti keblo keleo gin yehriq iyo. Ne kollo seb iye dechbir, be fillay hewatna Tegaru, gin natom merahti ey degefomin iye. Ne adey, aw seb adey, dehen tzerifu ke meleslom iye malet iyo. Mesfin haf haf yebil alo hegi sereqti tebahilo hizbina, gin eso ney TPLF ye degefom nero. Etan kemoO, zeraba nato behanti ezni atiyo betihade kewetzi iyo.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe,

            I didn’t understand.

            What you mention above is all true. I don’t think the of those future 2 Brotherly people will not tiny problem. I am not sure what is happening in this cruel war..But I know for sure is no single Tigrain is going blame the fighters of Eritrea..They know what is going on and we Eritreans have shown them our solidarity in different equations..

            Listen the demonstration of those nations and all Ethiopians and Eritreans all in front of the embassies and African union and also UN and this is very wise stand..

            KS,,

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Are you saying that I demanded the removal of an editorial? If so, please prove it. I really think that a break would be helpful for you. Why so much bitterness ?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Here it is: “this post belongs deleted (to deletion)” if you want the exact of your wording.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            My request does not refers the editorial but to the post by Aman Y. Please resist my and the post Ama Y.

            It is a different thing to ask for the removal of unsubstantiated post/claim by a forumer versus asking for a removal of an editorial!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Now you inserted his name in bracket in the comment. It wasn’t there before. I have no problem with that now.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Even without the addition, it was clear to what I was referring.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Improving comprehension skills is a must to understand sentences and concepts. Your comment was clear from any ambiguity whatsoever.

          • Nitricc

            Ras Abiy; that was as clear as a day. I hope you can read it before they delete it. I posted two posts to Hashela and they were deleted. Sad. I never thought this website will go back to 15 years back.

          • Abi

            General
            I missed both your comments. The moderator is operating at a speed of light. I think the moderator is under an extreme pressure by the board members.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            Where you been? You were almost missed! The emphasis is on the almost!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            ጥሎብኝ እንኳን ርቄ እያለሁም እናፈቃለሁ:) የሰው መውደድ ይስጥህ::

          • Hashela

            Abi
            I am touched, almost.

          • Hashela

            Selam Ismail

            I assume that several of us work in the academia and/or have academic titles. In this forum, these titles are and should be irrelevant. Especially, if one uses pen name. Hashela is a village in the outskirts of Keren, I can tell you the villagers of Hashela would not be happy to be associated with the title Dr. rer. nat. (Doctor rerum naturalis) which is equivalent to PhD in physical sciences. The villagers accept only medical doctors. I solved the problem by marrying a medical doctor. An old German tradition allows you, if you wish, to carry the academic title of your partner!! Now you know a bit about me.

            Now back to your questions about the analogy. As you know, analogy has its limits. So it is with this recognition we should look at the following analogy.
            The demise of TPLF presents and creates a dramatically different political landscape in the Horn of Africa. I parallel it to the dramatic climate and landscape (flora and fauna) after the termination of the last glacial maximum (LGM).
            Both the demise of TPLF and the termination of LGM exert huge societal/personal and ecological pressure on TPLFites and fauna, respectively.
            Here in this forum, the pressure is manifest in the form of erratic behavior and unsubstantiated claims such as “genocidal acts against the Tigrayan people”, “large-scale Eritrean involvement in the ongoing war between the remnant of TPLF and federal Ethiopian Government”, and “ a large scale looting of Tigrayan properties by the Eritrean Army” These claims trigger a fierce reaction and personal attack so much that Awate has step in and protects these people.
            Why are these species endangered? Well, the niche under which they flourish and operate is degraded beyond recognition (the demise of TPLF)

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Hashela,
            I have a hard time believing there is a German tradition that allows you to carry the academic title of your partner….
            The German are too meticulous and thorough to give titles on such flimsy ground…

          • Hashela

            Selam EHB

            It is old fashion thing and applies mostly to women. This means if the husband is a real Dr, his wife is politely called Frau Dr. Again it is old fashion.

            If you think deeply, it make sense. Without the rarely recognized sacrifice of the wife, he would not have the success

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Hashela,
            Interesting perspective. I worked for German company called Detecon and those folks were very knowledgeable and thorough. They didn’t have any of American philosophy of winging it.

          • Hashela

            Selam EHB

            I am eternally grateful for the educational opportunity I had in Germany (from high school to post-doctoral studies)
            All my lab instruments are made in and brought from Germany.
            Our major household devises are from Germany: compact, quite, effective, and use very low energy and water.

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Hashela,
            That is great you benefited from German educational system…
            Just like the Japanese the German are quality driven…
            Kaizen meets Meister…

          • Hashela

            EHB
            do you speak one or several of our languages?

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Hashela: “ያለ ሴቶች ተሳትፎ ግቡን አይመታም አብዮቱ!!”
            Abi: “ እንኳን አብዮቱ አይነጋም ሌሊቱ!

          • Hashela

            Abi
            Some people never grow up.
            Good night, whatever it means.

          • Consolation

            abi

            ተብሎ የለንዴ ክድሮ ክጥንቱ
            ሴት በሌለበት ኣይነጋም ሌሊቱ
            ሴት ባለበት ኣያልቅም መዓቱ

          • Abi

            Consolation
            ሴት የራቀችው ቤት
            ጏዳው መቀዝቀዙ ደጃፉ መፍዘዙ
            ሌሊቱ መርዘሙ ቀኑ መደብዘዙ
            ግማሽ አካሌ ነች ይላል ሲግደረደር
            ከግማሽ በላይ ነች እውነት እንናገር
            ሴት የሌለችበት ቤት የራቀው ደስታ
            ጨለማ የዋጠው ኑሮው የተምታታ

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            ተው እባክህ፡ ምህረት ኣርግልኝ
            ትግሉ ኣያሳይህ፡ ኣማርኛው ሊሳካልኝ
            ኢንደወያነ ኣልሞትም፡ ኣይደለሁም ሞኝ
            ኢጀን ኢሰጣለሁ፡ ኣላፍርም ብል በቃኝ

          • Abi

            Consolation
            እጅ መስጠት መልካም በቃኝ ማለት ጥሩ
            ራሥ አቢ ገንፍለው ጦር ሳይወረውሩ:)

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Hashela,

            Sincere appreciation of your care to explain a bit about yourself is in order. Having noted that, however, my comment was driven from the fact that proportionality negated the analogy you cared for framing your thoughts regarding current events in a small part of the Horn. I did not see how that working of natural organic and inorganic phenomena could be related to mundane debate in a forum provided by a web site. I should add, here too, objectivity calls that it is too early to speak about seismic proportion political and associated changes the recent events in Tigrai would release. What being watched is about release of feelings amidst the politically aligned persons and groups.
            With many thanks.

      • Aman Y.

        Dear Hashela,

        Following your comment, I checked and did not see CNN cited by Martin. Could it be because he edited his tweet. It was not intentional on my side and had edited since. Apologies for the hard feelings but the statement stands till negated on your side. I still hear the same from different sides. I wish we had an independent journalist on ground.

        thanks

  • Kaddis

    Selam selam,

    Do Ethiopians love their country? Which Ethiopians? The Oromo? The Tigray? The Somali? The Amharic city class? The super minorities like the Gurage, the Hadere, the wolaita, the argoba? ( the minorities are very weak to state their interest)

    I understand when AT say Ethiopians – you imply the Amharic city class. They love the country as long as Addis is watching ETV, gas in the car, Oromo and Tigray is not part of a leading voice in the government, Amharic sounds dominant over Oromiffa & Tigrigna, dominate the bureaucracy, dominate the fake historical narratives, orthodox ( while reinforcing the corruption culture ) is unchallenged …yes they love Ethiopia. If they see brains like Meles, Jawar, Beqele, Debretsion ( the most low profile one) …(even if they built their dream dam) , non amharic scholars like Awol Allo, Tsedale Lemma…even the amateur oromo sympathetic Amharic tv host Betty or the oromo protesting almost only sacrificing its own youth …the Amharic class see Ethiopia in the league of Syria; while there is no actual war. It feels helpless …so these groups has to be defeated by all means …even with the help of the lifetime loathed Arabs and scary Isias. But when the actual war starts and we became Emirates drone test and shabia soldiers looting ground at Yemen level, annexations by sudan and Eritrea at will – just because its happening in Tigray – we are on top of our sovereignty.
    Go figure!

    • Nitricc

      Emirates drone test and shabia soldiers looting ground at Yemen level,

      Hi Kaddis; you are to credible to be TPLF’s mouth piece. Who is your sources? Have you witnessing it? I understand you are felling it due to the demise of your TPLF but it does not mean you can post hearsay. come on man!

      • Kaddis

        Selam Nitric –
        I replied to consolation about the non existence of drone bases in Ethiopia – the closest in Assab. On twitter there are open sources of satellite reading experts explaining which flights, drones, antonoves etc.. are taking off and land in the region – with precision – even the US had to admit it. EU made a statement – asking Ethiopia to avoid letting foreign forces enter the war- check statement from EU High Representative Borrelle.

        TPLF is being fought as the only organized, armed and politically coherent force by many interest groups mainly by those who are trying to redraw the horn and dominate ….you can also see from the reaction of the western media and orgs – how dangerous this is evolving towards. Sefa argeh eyew

        • Nitricc

          Hi Kaddis Forget about the Drones, i have more info than your guess but my question was you said

          shabia soldiers looting ground at Yemen level,

          How do you know? who told you? did you witness it? what do the Eritreans loot? My friend, i know you going through hard times but be honest and stop spreading hate.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Kaddis,

      I enjoy the various political threads you weave them in to a plausible argument. None of the Ethiopians in this forum could reflect the exact political picture and its dynamics how it evolves. Thank you for your input. Pls this interview.

      https://www.facebook.com/addis.alem.79069/posts/126826589213101

      Regards

      • Dongolo

        Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Are web links now allowed on Monday? Seems like you are fond of using the pro-TPLF likes of Kaddis and Ayneta (Pauli and Sammi in days of old) for your soundboard.

        • Abi

          Dongolo
          Give him a break. Every day is a “Bingo Sunday” at the nursing home. Grief on top of Senility makes you confused.

      • Tensae

        Selam Amanuel,

        Beside your continued contravention of the linking guidelines, your lack of imagination is mind boggling. Of all people, you summon former PM Hailemariam Desalegn as a witness on behalf of the TPLF, the same Hailemariam Desalegn the figure head PM who was a puppet of TPLF. By his own admission, during his tenure as PM, he was kept prisoner by the TPLF often bullied by the likes of Azeb Mesfin, the widow of the late Meles Zenawi . If you have some common sense left in you, you could not have missed his body language including his fake smile that he did not mean whatever he was saying. The fact that he is against any compromise with the TPLF in the current war and that he is for the complete demise of the TPLF instead is also more reason that he is the wrong person to make your case.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Tensae,

          It is not only PMHD only, it is also your baby child PMAA. The rest of your comment is a made up GIGO and not from a person of farsighted. If you make your argument “decent” even if we are in the opposite side of the argument, agree or disagree, I will entertain you my views. If not the a I will not fail to throw the same stone to you.

          • Tensae

            Selam Amanuel,

            Here you go again in your usual mischief game of hiding behind “this is personal” canard as you always do whenever you are caught dead wrong. There is nothing personal in questioning your imagination especially when your imagination is failing you in plain public view. It takes qualities such as smartness and courage among other things to admit your mistakes, qualities that are sorely missing from you. You were wrong when you put the link on the wrong day and you were wrong to summon a witness to make your case when the same witness has since admitted that he didn’t mean whatever he said in favor of the TPL. The least you could have done is admit your mistakes and move on. Yet, you chose to hyper ventilate. As for your use of the trite term GIGO, there is no doubt that you are projecting yourself more than anything else. Since you seem to be going berserk these days on the realization that you God Father TPLF is gone once and for all and you are shooting at anything that comes your way, it is probably too much to expect to other wise.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tensae,

            If TPLF is my God father as you alluded in your trash talk, I could throw it back your trash talk back to you, by reminding you that they were your God fathers, when you call “sos” to get a hand from them, to kill your brothers and sisters – the carrier of the dark Eritrean history, who never regret about it, but instead who reveres it. That is unEritrean Sahelean character.

          • Tensae

            Hi Amanuel,

            It is not my intention to go back and forth with you as this is not personal. If there is anything I abhor most from anybody including myself besides mediocre thinking, it is bad argument, argument for the sake of argument and you seem to have a lot of both lately. If you want to be taken seriously at all, please do not write something that you cannot back up with facts and stop being predictable, repeating the same crap again and again.

            As for you claim that I worshipped the TPLF in the past, you could not have been further from the truth. As a matter of fact, one of the main reasons why I viscerally hate the TPLF to this date, it is because of its unprincipled interference in Eritrean internal affairs and its unprovoked attack on the ELF, the same ELF that provided it with critically needed armaments during its infancy. I equally detest them for humiliating and causing the death and disappearance of many former ELF members who took shelter with them.

            Last but not least, my brotherly advise to you is to smell the coffee, the coffee that helps you to sniff the reality – the reality that the TPLF is gone forever to never return and you are better of to find a new cause.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tensae,

            You are a serious man? Are you kidding? A man who debate based on hate as you have admitted yourself as a “visceral hater” could not in anyway be a serious person, who could argue on substantive matters. A PFDJ enablers could not argue on issues that matters to our nation once the wayane’s hate have contaminated your thought process. You by your nature, and by the nature of the PFDJ political culture you are involved with, indeed you are, a derisive and abusive individual.

            Second, You can not tell me about the interference of TPLF in the Eritrean politics. But who invited them to the Eritrea domestic politics and conflicts? You guys brought them to play your dirty game that took many Eritrean lives.

            Third, you shamelessly tried to tell me the killing of ELFites in Ethiopia. Aren’t they killed by EPLF killing squad in collaboration with TPLF, during your honeymoon days. That is why I abhor both of you as an organization. Strange! How could an EPLFite who admire the government of Issayas could abhor the killing of ELFites in Ethiopia by the way? Who knows your hand is washed by their blood – from the አጸገዓዮ squad, who killed Eritreans everywhere in Eritrea as well as in Ethiopia. Imagine, what scares people about the plight of the Eritrean refugee in Ethiopia, and the role of these squads and the damage they could incur. So you can’t tell me about TPLF and EPLF and you can not shad crocodiles tears for those who are killed by the organization you are member with and allied with. Give me a break. They are killed by EPLF though the TPLF left them alone to do their dirty. TPLF are an accomplice to your organization’s heinous act of murder. Stop from provoking me to avoid bring your ills to the public.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            FYI, PMAA is being compared with Abraham Lincoln.
            It is always alright if you call him “baby child “, immature, juvenile, ….
            Thing is he is the one who showed the world how to conduct war. He showed up in Mekele to congratulate his Generals for the exceptional achievements. Now that is expected only from a mature leader!! Please find his speech at Mekele and judge for yourself. It was impressive to say it lightly.
            His Generals are going to write “How To Fight “ manuals for US military schools like the West Point.

            Mekele Airport just opened. Life is getting back to normal all over Tigray.

          • Nitricc

            His Generals are going to write “How To Fight “ manuals for US military schools like the West Point.

            Ras Abiy; you better pray it won’t be based on this war. This was not a war. You can not walk 700 KM with in a month while wagging a fight. I don’t know but i have a hunch that Eritrea has something do with it.

          • Abi

            General
            If Eritrea was involved, it makes it even sweeter.
            That is how you cover each other’s back when necessary. I see no problem in this joint operation if it ever happened.
            My expectation is this current Joint victory will lead to a joint command center to fend off common enemies now and in the future.
            I also expect the two armies start joint practice etc etc..

            EECC = Ethiopia Eritrea Command Center.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Abi,

            There is a clear pattern about the Ethiopian army’s ability. After the battle of Adwa, every major war won by the Ethiopian army is with the help of outsiders.

            You have been crying day and night: corruption, corruption, killing, killing. But, corruption, killing and prostitution are an integral part of Ethiopian culture. It happened under every regime I know. You are now having selective memories.

          • saay7

            Simon:

            Not only does Ethiopia get foreign support for its military victories, it consistently lies about them. In the Ogadeni War, declassified (post end of Cold War) documents show the Cuban military attaché to Ethiopia ( Pépe) expressing his frustration as to why Mengistu repeatedly says Cubans are not involved.

            In ቃልሲ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ: ካበይ ናበይ (no author named but everybody suspects its Meles Zenawi) the author says TPLF had no part in the Eritrean civil war (ELF-EPLF).

            Now Abiy Ahmed Ali has told the UN Secretary General that Eritrea is not involved in the latest Ethiopian civil war. It’s only a matter of time (days?) before we know that conclusively, but if Abiy lied to the UN Secretary General (who reported it to the world) he can expect to join the forever-unbelieved. It appears an Isaias influence: Isaias lied about Eritrean war with Djibout (“a fabrication”) : denied he had Djibouti POWs until they escaped (SEMG got tesemoniqls of escapee that our friend Mahmud Saleh penned a 1500 word to falsify only to later on learn that yep it happened) or were released years later (via “good offices” of Qatar before Isaias upgraded to UAE. He also told parents of children who died in Djibouti to never publicize where they were martyred.

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay7,

            It is the job of journalists and historians to dig out “the truth”. Politicians, business entities, religious organizations, health professionals and parents are in the business of managing information. lol

          • saay7

            Hey Aligaz

            …..

            And, don’t forget, arresting the journalists. That’s the favorite hobby of politicians in Africa.

            Once you kill the closest we have to truth tellers you change everything to he said she said where everybody, particularly the extraordinarily lazy Ethiopian elite just shrug and move on.

            Did you hear there is now a call for Game Over Part II in Benishangul Gomez?

            Saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay,

            it all comes down to credibility and trust. Put your eggs is the wrong basket and you know what happens. Our journalists are compromised and our political culture since the 60’s has become cynical beyond belief. Populism is the current drug of choice. Btw did you hear there is cannibalism now in Benishangul? What would your truth sayers recommend as a side for a nice main of human liver? Listen stop patronizing Ethiopians because that doesn’t solve Eritrea’s problems.

          • saay7

            Aligaz:

            I don’t know.

            But the elite should probably stop saying things like

            “The community who have fed them, shared its harvest with and MODERNIZING THEM BY CHANGING THEIR POOR WORK CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION is subject to displacement and killing in its own homeland.”‬

            That’s Addis Standard quoting some dude talking about his darker skinned compatriots.

            That is considered mainstream view in Ethiopia 2020. Oh yes the elite of the country have failed spectacularly. They make us Eritreans look like phenomenal successes.

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay,

            No equivalency. PC vs cannibalism

          • saay7

            Aligaz:

            You don’t understand. I don’t consider a huge difference between war and cannibalism.

            In this stupid war, 20-something year old kids are killing 20-something year old kids (sometimes younger) and as the Mekele residents told their new governors (acting as occupiers in full military regalia and telling the residents, Asrate Kassa style, you have a duty to bring your fugitive people ): we can’t even bury our dead, the hyenas are feasting on them.

            That cannibalism exists in Ethiopia (if you say so) is just another footnote to the fact that Ethiopia was last to outlaw slavery and apparently last to declare war on itself.

            saay

          • Aligaz G

            saay,

            No we understand each other well.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            An article written by Serene Assir (AFP), title as “New exile for Eritrean refugees fleeing Ethiopia” (dated 12/13/2020), somehow accounts a report of the participation of the Eritrean army in the ethnic war of the Ethiopian conflict, by interviewing refugees in Sudan, who fled from the Ethiopian refugee camps. Here are some excerpts from it:

            (a) “Some of the soldiers were Eritreans, some of them were (Ethiopian) federal soldiers,” said Kheder, of the attack on the camp in Tigray.

            (b) “He cited Eritrea’s notorious policy of universal, indefinite conscription as one reason why he fled his home country in the first place.”

            (c) “We were living peacefully. But suddenly Eritreans and federal soldiers came and started to fire at civilians,” Shishay told AFP through a translator. “So after that I fled the camp, separated from my family.”

            (d) “We are aware of credible reports of Eritrean military involvement in Tigray and view this as a grave development,” a State Department spokesperson said.

            So no matter they deny the participation of the Eritrean army in the conflict, the reports tells us otherwise.

            Regards

      • Kaddis

        Selam gash Aman –
        I also enjoy your principled stand using credible sources to frame your arguments. one of the reasons we hangout here :- )
        just leave the title here – I can always google it.
        Melkam gize

    • Consolation

      Kaddis,

      But when the actual war starts and we became Emirates drone test and shabia soldiers looting ground at Yemen level, annexations by sudan and
      Eritrea at will – just because its happening in Tigray – we are on top of our sovereignty.

      Wow, the number of lies you have managed to pack into this one sentence tells me you are either a Tigrayan or one who has benefited from the TPLF looting of Ethiopia. Let’s examine the lies:

      1) It is Emirate drones that have defeated the TPLF goons;
      2) There are Shabia soldiers in Tigray;
      3) They are looting;
      4) They are annexing Ethiopian lands.

      Such lies may help you to rationalize the devastating defeat of the TPLF and lessen the pain, but like the 30 or so divisions that the thugs claim to have destroyed, they are figments of your imagination. By now, one would expect that you have learned your lesson that lying leads nowhere. It is believing their own lies that got the TPLF goons into the hole where they have been buried. It should be a lesson for those of you who have survived that the more outrageously lie, the less respect and sympathy you get. It is Tigayans who lie, loot, betray their friends and allies. So don’t imagine that we would do what you would certainly do if the roles reversed.

      • Nitricc

        the 30 or so divisions that the thugs claim to have destroyed, they are figments of your imagination.

        Hi Conso; About two months ago; Mesfin Siyum was having an interview and he said, ” Eritrea is empty. No one is in side the country, the only people who are there are old people”
        And no Eritrea sent 20 to 30 divisions. What a joke. I don’t what happen, i mean if Eritrea involved or not but this is one of the books. When i sow PMAA talking from Meqelle yesterday, I wonder how they feel the Tigryans and their supporters? That was a death sentence.

      • Kaddis

        Selam Consolation –
        Yes, Ertirean soldiers were part of the fighting from day one since isias and his military are the lead …all the Ethiopian retired and called back generals names being oversold on the media are just faces. The war – in tigray – is an extension of the war from oromia and part of Benishangul. There was no drones used for three years because there is no drone base in Ethiopia. Americans had two – in Arbaminch and somali region – closed in obama times. the one used in Tigray war was used from Assab drone base.
        yes – looting happened – as any invading and poor army from eritrea – tigray is considered way developed compared to the army. Looting also happened by Amhara militia – for the same reason and more – particularly the propaganda the Amharic hate medias venting tigray was developed at the expense of others. I dont agree – Amhara regions close to 10 universities, industry parks etc are evidence – amhara region best years were woyane years.

        • Consolation

          Kaddis,

          You are lying. But that is because you are in the second stage of you grief, the anger stage. The reality is that the stinking TPLF thugs have been incinerated. They were defeated by Amhara militia in the first week in the west. It is your inability to stomach this humiliation that is behind the invention of enemies to justify your devastating defeat. The idea that drones were flying from Assab and nobody detected them is just too ridiculous. Someone should write a book “The Tigrayan Mind” to explain the total lack of grasp of reality that we have and are witnessing!

        • Consolation

          Kaddis,

          The amount of lies told by the TPLF and its cadres is astounding. But has it helped? It’s only impact has been to further fool Tigryans who have already been brainwashed by TPLF lies. But as they discover the truth, the lesson to all should be; it is deadly to believe one’s lies. One can’t simply fabricate stories that cannot withstand scrutiny for an afternoon. As Awate Team have sorrowfully commented, TPLF and its supporters have not provided a scintilla of evidence about any ot their wild claims. How hard can it be to take a picture of the looting in action. In fact, how hard can it be to stage a looting and record it. The epitaph on the death of the TPLF will be, “Defeated because they believed their own lies.”

          • Abi

            Consolation
            One should wander, how a sophisticated entity like Tplf failed to record looting in action ( including a mango tree) by a foreign army while perfectly timed and recorded the shooting down of the Ethiopian fighter jet.
            Help me here.

          • Selam Abi,

            Tplf and its cadres are creating crimes and criminals all around them to deflect the accusations for their own heinous crimes, which are many.
            Now they have reached the stage when the few remaining are quarreling among themselves as to whether to surrender or meet their inevitable demise. This is the day they never expected would ever come. They were blinded by their hate for Ethiopia, and devoured her flesh to the bone, as if they were hungry animals. Ethiopia had many enemies throughout her history, but tplf was the worst of them all.
            Tplf is dying, Tigrayans have no tears to shade for the mafia criminal group, and Ethiopians are saying good riddance. To the few who are lamenting the demise of tplf, Ethiopians are wishing them to have the strength to forget all the good days they had with tplf, because these days are never going to come back again.

    • Dongolo

      Selam Kaddis. I thought that ethnic discriminatory remarks were not allowed by this website but you have proved me wrong.

      • Kaddis

        Selam Dongolo –
        Show me where and I may fix it before somebody gets emotional : -)

    • Barolle

      Hi Kaddis,

      The fact that you claim to be Gurage is hard to believe given your political views. I know many Gurages in Addis and not one of them is against the central government. You claimed to have a business in Tigray, or something of that nature several years ago. Is your support of TPLF in reality not based on taking an economic blow?

      • Abi

        Barolle
        A little correction in order
        Kaddis changed his ethnicity from Gurage to Amhara recently.
        As you have said it correctly, he greatly benefited from the Tplf system.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Barolle or Parole😁

        Well said! There is an Italian proverbe whose translation goes like this “by its song we recognize the bird, and by words the brain”. The later applies to you and your far reaching memory! Best

        • Barolle

          Selam Haile S.

          Yeqeniyeley, you’re far too kind. It is in fact you gentlemen here that is doing the hard work busting the deceivers on a daily basis.

          Thank you!

        • Kaddis

          Selam Haile – if my background lets you understand why I have been fearful of the war in the making for the last three years – with crushing economy and lawlessness to the point of Eritrean refugees had been re-migrated/ giffa while a refugee , reports of dead corps are making unbearable smells between Amhara and tigray regions…. please ask me anything – I will let you know as much as the environment allows it. You can imagine – I can not be intimidated online while living in the most insecured nation called Ethiopia ….you should see Abiy scared face making a statement in Meqele (?) trying to cover his embarrassment of Sudan PM left him in the cold hours after his arrival while two days state visit was planned ( imagine all the drama and photo opp lost lol )

          • Haile S.

            Kaddis,

            Earlier you went for the rubbish filthy looting propaganda and now you want to be a poor victim of intimidation. This is senseless! You are not the victim, but the victimizer with your unfounded propaganda! No one intimidates you unless you dream to be. We are all in a forum equally participating. If you have something serious to talk of bring it on.

          • Kaddis

            Haile –
            just on the unfounded part – unlike Eritrea – and until maybe expelled – there are journalists accredited by the Ethiopian government from bloomerg, reuters, BBC, aljazeera, anadoulu ( turkish ) the nation ( kenya ) AFP. AP …and few more wires …these are the same credible news sources the world form opinions …to the point of the UNSC made it its agenda item ( probably twice) …I know, unless they support your side …its not serious for you…abduction of Eritrean refugees as well …but its very serious for me

          • Haile S.

            Kaddis,

            You forgot the original source, Woyanes and their Eritrean lackeys!

          • Kaddis

            Haile –
            Nope – they don’t work like that – these journalists didn’t start work in Addis – many came via many global capitals, producing news you yourselves have been consuming and making decisions

          • Abi

            Selam Kaddis
            Some apologized for misinforming the world community.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            This Weyane fabricated & Eritrean lackeys propagated news looks a carbon copy of the unplugged baby incubators in Kuwait during the first Gulf war! It was believed by everybody including the news media that repeated it for months and perhaps years until exposed as a pure fabrication! Read wikipedia on it.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            This time around the fabrication experts are running for their lives. Today, two of them got apprehended. Who is left is a group of heavily compromised activists in the diaspora. Among them are Eritreans who put all their eggs in the Tplf basket.
            President of the Mekele University, where the digital weyane was fabricating the fake news, has been found at a farmer’s ኩሽና covered with አብሲት. Don’t these አፈኞች have a “Tewodros “ among them.
            What is sad to witness is the activists Eritreans who betrayed their country and people to side with the dead entity aka ወይአነ.

      • Kaddis

        Ciao Barolle –
        Yes I am gurage – gurage’s doesn’t have a defined position in the mainstream politics – they follow the power, as any minority. in our case the Amharic class. I lived in the Amharic dominated elite society, still do. I support the balance of power between oromo, tigray and the Amharic center to maintain my Amharic elitist privilege – in other words – for the center to live in peace – its no more a luxury to respect the rights of tigray and oromo – its a must.
        Abiy and isias doesn’t believe so, so do thier spoonsors – thats why we are in an endless war. Hope it clears your over imagination.
        Cheers balehebet

        • Abay

          Dear Kaddis
          May be you are Gurague or maybe not! Why don’t you prove what you say by writing one Gurage proverb in the Gurague language, tell us which Gurague out of the rest it is and you prove your case.
          Regards
          Abay

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abay,

            It’s not up to me, but why the emphasize on what Kaddis ethnicity, instead of focusing on his message.

            If you don’t think there will be people from Tigray who oppose TPLF or there will people from other ethnic group who can support TPLF, then this is going to the wrong direction.

            I have a friend she is Ethiopian where her family is from Tigray. She is married to another Ethiopian who her parents are from Amhara. Both are beautiful couple and have wonderful children.

            We don’t speak politics much but when we do, they both support different side.

            I have not spoken to them for a while now, but I sympathize how hard this must be in this times and I hope they continue to withstand this difficult times.

            My point is, there are thousands and thousands of people who will be impacted and affected because of this conflict.

            And this ethnicity politics needs to be stopped the sooner the better, specially by the Abiy government. I did think it was wise that he spoke publicly the ethnic make up of the army etc. which, even in good intentions, could lead to suspicion, and conflicts abd tension that could turn real ugly.

            The TPLF wants nothing more than to engulf the region and it needs this type of accusations to build it’s case in order to have the Tigray people rise abd stay along side with it.

            In my opinion, they only way to win over the people (which the most majority have nothing to do with TPLF) is by showing love and care to give them assurance that they have a place in the country.

            Kaddis,
            While I have a chance, I think you are falling to the trap and you are giving Isayas, and gulf countries much more credit than they deserve to influence the Abiy government.

            I would really like your opinion on what happened:

            1) TPLF attacking the NC, and was that the last resort action
            2) what the Federal government response should have been). Please if possible with the legal / constitutional frame work.
            3) What do you think the way out of these.

            Berhe

          • Abay

            Dear Berhe
            Thank you for the comment. You impress me as a truth finder and I do appreciate that. I reside in Addis, if this helps you to consider how I am influenced. Some facts on the ground:
            1. TPLF attacked the NC. There is no conflicting information here. It is confirmed by TPLF as “attacked in lightening speed”. What was the federal government supposed to do so that it would not be mistaken for ethnic war?
            2. The fight was between armed units of the TPLF mainly the militia, the special force and spies and spy units that were placed in the NC on the one side and the federal force on the other. Tigray people were not involved in the war and this war is by no means an ethnic war.
            3. There was no popular resistance, repeat no popular resistance by the people of Tigray against the advancing federal force. On the contrary, they provided assistance to the federal force in various forms and that contributed to the lightning speed in the progress of the advancement of the federal force. Now, most of Tigray is getting back to normal. There is no ethnic war what so ever!
            4. The Eritrean government and his excellency PIA assisted in sheltering, feeding and organizing parts of the NC who escaped from being slaughtered. We the people of Ethiopia here are VERY grateful. Eritrea did not, repeat, did not directly engage in the war. Simply because there was no need to. They would if there was the need but this was not a conventional war and the federal government had all the technology it needed and did not need help. .
            5. Many participants in this forum are old and are novice to digital and modern warfare and it is simply difficult to convince them of the current capacity of Ethiopia. They don’t even ask why Ethiopia launched a satellite and is getting ready to launch one more, this time from Addis. We have developed capacity in air units other than fighter jets, just to hint advancement of the federal force in technology and surgical operation capability.

            My best regards
            Abay

          • Saleh Johar

            Abay,
            Anything different from what the world heard from Abiy. Your comment is identical to what he stated. I am interested to hear a different perspective. 100 million can see things from one perspective.

            Thank you

          • Abay

            Dear Mr. Johar
            Thank you for the comment. If you find my comment identical (???) to that of PMAA the reason is simple. Unlike what many TPLF supporters in this forum comment, PMAA reflects opinions of hundreds of millions of people including that of Tigrians and mine. The similarity is the product of his popularity. If you want to hear some other prospective, not necessarily different, here are a few:
            1. TPLF, like in many cases where leadership is acquired by force, felt invincible. its inflated ego led to its demise.
            2. TPLF put little effort to disguise deceit, lies, rumors and sabotage. Its love of money is unprecedented and it were hated for all these by the very people they think they have their base.
            3. TPLF undermined, like many do in this forum, how deep rooted ethnic relations in Ethiopia are. Its wishful thinking, like many in this forum, blinded it of the fact that the Ethiopian society is way different from that of Rwanda. TPLF stole in billions and used some of that money in its project of inciting Rwanda like massacre and that has failed. Now, some in the forum here have picked that up form where TPLF left and are trying to conduct ethnic divide and violence but to no avail.
            2.TPLF wrongly thought it had the hearts and minds of Tigray people. It did not know it was disconnected!. Building sky scrapers for girl friends and concubines is totally different form spending that money on poverty eradication to help the poor! People are not dummy and they know!
            I believe we all should learn from this mishap!
            Thank you and my regards
            Abay.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Abay. The big kicker is that a large swath of the Eritrean opposition has been TOTALLY corrupted by millions of dollars that it has/continues to receive from the TPLF; money has been paid up front with more in the hanging, so expect the TPLF to continue to be glorified & defended even during their afterlife. And, the TPLF definitely has the goods on these treacherous souls, so don’t expect them to start swimming in a different direction.

        • Barolle

          Hey Kaddis,

          Late reply, not as much time during work days.

          I am not convinced at all. You skew everything to blame the Amhara, and if that isn’t enough, you blaimed the state that Ethiopia is in was a result of Abiy being Pente some weeks ago.

          Gurages doesn’t have a defined position, nor does any other ethnic group. However, the majority are very pro Abiy from what I have witnessed. You want to maintain your “Amharic” elitist privileges when Gurages are known for their hard work and many living good lives. Something isn’t right about you and it doesn’t take a genius to tell that you are after to slander the Amhara ethnic group. Did you act the same way when Tigrayans had supreme power for 27 years? Where were you then? How is your business going?

    • Dis Donc

      Dear Kaddish,

      Your concern for diversity in governance is laudable, which I have no qualms with. However it lacks merit given the fact that this transitional government is the most diverse; suffice to see the top brass military leadership and the set of ministers. The city dwellers (Amharic speakers as labeled) despite being diverse in their ethnicity, were effectively excluded from the economic boom, from which few with political connections only benefitted. Resulting in their suffocation just because they spoke Amharic. The city duelers wouldn’t have given a hoot, as to who governs, has there been no corruption and nepotism. You, similar to TPLF, advocate for power sharing whereas the rest of Ethiopia wants democratic elections. If there one important fact to delineate is that by not wanting to participate in democracy y’all wanted power using deplorable actions and bloodshed. That’s the checkmate!!

      Contrary to what you want us to believe the Amharic language is not uniform. And if push comes shove, although there is nothing wrong of you not wanting to speak it, there is an array of other languages that you can choose from; English, German, Italian, French, etc…. If in any case you have forgotten, it was the dead midget (as my sister says “may he burns in Gehanem”) himself proposed it as a national language, of which the entire participants approved.

      • Kaddis

        Selam Dis Donc –
        mixing the timeframe wont help – due to the nepotism and corruption – the woyane was pushed out by a revolution eko in 2018…so the disagreement is on how to transit new. we argued – he better share power with the now retreated woyane and the change makers oromo. these are power bases. forget the ministers who are powerless. Abiy was advised not to try to consolidate power to the center ( also farmajo ) because he can’t do it alone, he has no support base nor capacity. he needed to bring foreign powers to do that …he did, the war erupted ….now the analysis jumped our table to security, humanitarian , crisis situation ….the geopolitics is a huge factor here.
        Our frustration with the Amharic class is – its delusional wish assuming they will come out strong from this mess being cooked by isias, the gulf, the right wing evangelists …etc
        the Amharic city class was in its best form economically compared to any time …all it had to do was fix what tplf messed up, align with the oromo democratization drive and move on.

        • Dis Donc

          Hola Kaddish,

          Please save your theatrical excuses of making Isu a G-D. Please also refrain from belittling the Amharic speaking populace for they too have wishes and aspirations. As I said, they too are humans just like you and the TPLF! Didn’t Ethiopia created a federal system so that power shouldn’t be concentrated in Addis? And who are we to blame for that, anyway?

          History is a book where one cites from and not one uses it to justify. Does TPLF looks like a democratic entity (to you) when it reined for 50+ years in Tigray, with almost 100% upper hand? Unchallenged in elections? Does TPLF looks like a peace partner when it acted like king and played like a kind maker in all over Ethiopia, creating warlords and chieftains? The question then is why does TPLF have to the only one to be invited for power sharing when it behaved so bad for 30+ years? When will Ethiopia have to learn of not awarding entities that do her (and her children) harm?

          • Kaddis

            Disc dosc
            I understand your take – but you keep missing/ mixing two things – mainly the timeframe
            Woyane was made to leave the center due to all the mess ( including overcentralizing power, ) they created in their 27 years.
            Second – the editorial and the discussion here wants to ask – what was the most beneficial transition after 2018 rather than going to war? Do you love your country?

            So given tplfs hard and soft power, given Abiys lack of legitimacy even to accuse tplf etc…the right thing to do was getting along with Tigray and oromo..Gradually working on justice, democratisation etc…through credible election. That was the ideal scenario.

            You prefer to go after woyane using all the means available. Okay. But you have to defend your decision and show us the stability, in short or long term. The war was an issue at UN security council level. It means it’s a big war that will alter many issues locally and regionally. Its not over yet – the Amharic class is so eager the same force to rush to Benishangul and Oromia to crush the rest of the political competition. Tigray war is an extension of the war in Oromia anyways. You still support that? For a complete understanding of this issue I refer you to Tamerat Negrera : -)
            NB – we ( is a humble form of I ) and many like me writing on Ethiopian Insight, Addis Standard, Addis Fortune arguing in the same line since 2018

          • Dis Donc

            Dear Kaddish,

            Your hate hasn’t left you when you say the Amharas want to expand their mission into other territories. The same Amharas were maimed and hacked to death by other tribes. Why doesn’t their blood matter? Why is it that the excrement of the Tigrayans and the Oromumas different than the Amharas? Wasn’t TPLF intentionally firing rockets into the Amhara region of recent past? Please don’t tell me that it was just for spite!

            Politics is a substitute for war, its weapons being ideas. Ideas meant to have you win/lose in a battlefield called democratic elections. Now show me, both in Tigray and in Oromo regions, who is fighting peacefully? Even then, why would you invite these still-warring factions when they haven’t committed to peaceful fight yet? Last but not least, these regions are so eager to share the center while excluding everyone else in their respective region.

            I cannot tell what’s in Abby’s mind but I can tell that he took over from the previous leadership to straighten the country by inviting all parties into the democratic process. He has completed that promise in doing so but I do not expect him to lecture everybody in understanding the need for a two-way give and take peaceful struggle. Moreover, and at the end of the day, the composition of center must contain all politicians from each region; not just by the Tigrayas and the Oromumas.

            To that end, and let it be clear, I am neither condoning Abby’s actions nor do I want him to abrogate of his responsibilities in protecting individual citizens that are being targeted, on a daily basis, just because they speak Amharic or some lunatic doesn’t like the color of their eyes. That has to end! And whoever is conducting these senseless massacres need to be brought to justice!

          • saay7

            Hey Kaddis:

            Is Macbeth translated into Amharic? If not this might be an opportune time to do it. With Abi and Macbeth (Isaias as Lady Macbeth of course, who continuously asks him if he is really man enough to “game over” the enemy.). Of course it doesn’t end well, but nothing ever ends well in your country.

            Talking about the Abiy-TPLF dispute is a lot like the Israel Palestinian feud: the conclusion of people on whose side they are on is easy to predict based on where they choose to pick up the story. Anytime somebody says “and then our 2nd Command was slaughtered….” I know where it’s heading.

            Tons of people, you included, were saying this hosting of a man who pledges revenge by threatening to kill your family member and you are all giggles is not the right way. But Ethiopians go dead when they put on their war masks on and the mask is ever ready. The failure of imagination of Ethiopia’s elite and its institution is guaranteed to have the country jump from one hot mess to another as it has for the past 60 years.

            saay

          • Tensae

            Dear Sal,

            Notwithstanding the appropriateness and morality or lack of in comparing the rising star and soon to be king of Ethiopia Abiy Ahmed with the tragically fallen Macbeth and that of the strong-man IA with that of the ever-nagging Lady Macbeth, I would appreciate it very much if you can spare a few minutes of your precious time to answer the following questions (Please feel free to wear Dr. Newitol’s hat if needed).

            1. Given that Abiy Ahmed served in the Ethiopian army since he was a teenager most of it in Tigray where Oromo members of the army were often treated as second class, where it was common for Tigrayan juniors to order their seniors and given that he grew up among Tigrayan society witnessing firsthand the negative view the general population has on Oromo people, given that he experience many years of discrimination by the TPLF, do you think he needed the prodding of IA to do what he is doing or for that matter to implement the “Game over” plan?

            2.What is the wisdom of comparing talking about Abiy-TPLF dispute to talking about Israel/Palestinian feud knowing that the former one is between competing forces within once country while the latter is between an oppressor and oppressed, occupier and occupied, strong and weak?

            3.Is it a good idea to cite Lidetu Ayalew, the same Lidetu Ayalew who is known of opportunism and backstabbing of his colleagues not to mention that he is ostracized by his own community as a sell out as a typical Ethiopian who is against IA?

            4. Is the role of Ethiopian elites in the politics of their country any different than those of their counterparts in Africa such as Sudan and Somalia as to be fit enough to be characterized as “failure in imagination” ?

            5. Given that the dispute between Somalia and Kenya not unlike the one between Somalia and Ethiopia has existed long before IA came to the power, is it right to blame IA for the current dispute?

            Thanks a lot in anticipation of your reply,

            Tensae

          • saay7

            Selam Tensae:

            1. Without agreeing to your premise (how Abiy felt about TPLF or Tigrayans), given the large contrast between Abiy 2018 (forgiveness and reconciliation and amnesty over punishment, enmity and swift “justice” (Abiy 2020), the two positions are either consistent (true then true now; untrue then untrue now) or inconsistent (true then false now; false then true now). If they are inconsistent, then either something internal or external or both activated it. He already articulated (in his first book), that timing and power being inseparable, necessity of showing of authority at right time. He needed someone who admired his raw ambition and willingness to give advice from lived experience. For a price. TPLF. Show me a single country in the world that allows another country to regularly attack a legal opposition party. Probably because I spent most of 2018 praising Abiy (anybody who releases prisoners will get my approval), maybe I am seeing change where many don’t. He is doing all the things he criticized in his book: only one person with whom he has spent inordinate amount of time with, Isaias Afwerki, can normalize it.

            2. Your oppressor oppressed occupier occupied is your perspective shared by many. It’s not a universal truth believed by all: certainly not by Israelis and those who believe of its right to exist.

            3. Yes it’s always a good idea to cite Lidetu Ayalew until he gives us a reason not to. I don’t expect your premise about his acceptance or rejection by his constituency because he has a far more expansive definition of “constituency” than, perhaps, you were implying? If his recommendation had been accepted we wouldn’t have this stupidest-of-them-all war eagerly embraced (without a pause) by both Abiy and TPLF. Those of us who have come to believe that the risks of instability wars create is far too costly for whatever justice war is waged.

            Do you have an opinion on another politician who shared his views and made countless media appearances to appeal for it? Engineer Yilkal Getnet? If he is not objectionable to you I will refer to his arguments.

            4. Yes. None of the other countries claim to have a 3,000 year history. And not in the Egypt ancient Egypt way, but of a continuum. Yes, my expectations are higher.

            5. When was the last time Somalia withdrew all its diplomatic corps from Kenya and directed Kenya to withdraw all its diplomats in a week? Because Kenya met with the leadership of Somaliland? Yemane Gebreab and Osman Saleh visited Somaliland last year. So yes, I blame IA because he is also training the military of Somalia. When your single product is militarization all you sell is war. Now, IGAD is calling for Eritrea to rejoin it but first some countries that did it wrong prior to its walkout must apologize. Yeah that’s him. Because the Emirs of KSA and UAE would like to join an expanded IGAD (cross Red Sea). Kenya and Uganda are no longer welcome.

            Serray’s dictum always holds: everything he touches turns to ashes.

            saay

          • Consolation

            Selamat saay7,

            I have just one question for you which you don’t have to answer publicly: What, in your esteemed opinion, should Abiy have done after the TPLF preemptively attacked and, in their own words, immobilized the Northern Command, murdering many of its officers and confiscating all its weaponry? Should he have stuck to his 2018 position of forgiveness and reconciliation and let the TPLF to over the nation? After all, he is a Nobel Peace Prize winner, and I suppose they are supposed to turn the other cheek, eh!

          • saay7

            Consolation:

            You asked publicly and so, I am to answer, I must answer publicly.

            Your question is like me taking any word from your post, say “should” and ask you what do you mean by it.

            My story begins two years and half before Northern Command. Traveling path to war, or negotiated settlement? Neither Weyane nor Abiy traveled the path of war, each taunting the other there.

            A society that celebrates war more than it does avoiding it, will always reward war mongers who feel mandated to wage them.

            The was was avoidable. Now that it has started, it should be stopped, before it corrodes the veins and plants seeds for the next leader dressed as a warlord seeking vengeance. Writing got European Council on Foreign Relations, Theodore Murphy writes: “The result is that Amhara state has all but absorbed nearly one-third of Tigray.” Do you think this is the sort of thing people react to with “oh well stuff happens?” Those who absorbed it feel they are only taking back what’s rightfully theirs. And who should mediate it: the winner?

            Ethiopians have the benefit of history to peg the above story within a familiar storyline. I am anxious what every single outcome of the war will mean for Eritrea, given one man with Big Man ambitions is the sole voice for Eritrea within the corridors of power. For now.

            saay

            saay

          • Consolation

            Hello saay7,

            I asked you a yes or no question and I got reams of lines designed to avoid the question. In an earlier post, I listed all the provocative and intransigent actions that the TPLF took since 2018. Abiy’s initial very generous conciliatory offer was not good enough for the TPLF thugs who, having got used to the unfettered access to Ethiopia’s coffers, felt cramped in their confined quarters in Mekele. Thus, instead of getting used to the new realities, they began to scheme a come back. Their plan was to make Ethiopia ungovernable for Abiy by disruptive and destructive terrorist acts until Ethiopians got fed up with him and would welcome even the devil. Unfortunately for them, their plan backfired and led to their demise.

            Those who mourn the death of the TPLF need to take a break and adjust themselves to the new realities. No amount of whining is going to turn back the clock. The Amharas took back land that was stolen by the TPLF just as Eritrea has taken back its sovereign lands. That is what happens whey thieves are defeated, they are dispossessed of whatever they stole.

          • saay7

            Consolation:

            Your narrative is just that, a narrative. I am assuming it’s a chronicle of events as told by you. From personal experience: in 98-00, I spent a little time creating timelines of events I considered eventful and an Ethiopian who went by the name of “Dagmawi” created his timeline based on what was important to him. We were both right; we just weren’t talking.

            Your second paragraph is a non-sequiter of the sort that has transformed this forum, Awate University, to the beer house some are trying to make it. There are many Eritrean forums and social media platforms which do that. This forum will not be that.

            There will be resistance. There always is.

            saay

          • Consolation

            Hello saay7,

            Every element in that narrative happened. I did not make them up. Now, why don’t you inform us of your alternative narrative.

            My second paragraph is telling it like it is. There are as they say five stages in the evolution of grief and the sooner one moved across the stages the better for his/her health.

          • saay7

            Consolation

            I have no interest in the folly of point counter point, since there is no persuadable in this useless war: you either think the war war was justifiable (always beginning the story in Nov 2020) or is tragic mismanagement of a complex country (beginning, in the history of modern Ethiopia, since Haileselassie, to always make the wrong choice which is always, not coincidentally, always war. Abiy is the latest unimaginative conflict manager, and the same people that were justifying the Weyane War on Eritrea (98-00) are now celebrating this war.

            Your second paragraph is has gone from being mediocre to violating the posting guideline. Read it. And be sure when you next write, you don’t make it your last one.

            saay

          • Consolation

            Hello saay7,

            I don’t know whether your realize it or not but nowhere do you put the blame on the TPLF. I challenge you to examine the events since 2018 and come up with any narrative that exonerates the TPLF. In fact, I challenge you to provide a narrative that does not put 80% of the blame on the TPLF.

            I am sorry if you think I am violating your posting guideline which appear to me like convenient ways of muzzling what you don’t like. As for your threats, the worst that can happen is that I would be banned. What do I lose except the whining of TPLF stooges!

          • Aligaz G

            saay7,

            Paul (I am not digiwoyane) was the last forumer to engage in a coast to coast blanket press. I fear he has burnt out but it was fun when it lasted. Anyway I wish to address your point number 4. Especially since you included 3000 which is my favorite number to further reinforce your point. lol

            Now 3000 years refers to the state not to the current political elite. But the state of the “Ethiopian Elite” is what really seems to be bothering you.

            So let us define and describe this Elite first. Generally people refer to the politically active educated class that came of age from the 60’s onwards and its progeny as the Elite.

            This remarkable and selfless Ethiopian elite was responsible for the Revolution of 74 often times against its very interests by class membership or ethnicity. The removal of the Feudal Monarchy, Separation of Religion and State, Land to the Tiller and the Nationalities Question (Including Eritrea) were addressed. Of these The Nationalities Question has not been completely answered to this very day.

            Now after the Revolution this Elite class fractionated and engaged in internecine welfare. The surviving factions then embarked on the Woyane Federal ethno-experiment or morphed into a sort of opposition or left the political arena completely.

            At present the Nationalities Question has become conflated even worse set artificially at variance with democracy and unity. The cooptation of factions by foreign interests intensified by construction of the the Dam and enflamed by hyped up developmental figures has resulted in the demise of TPLF. But the Nationalities Question is still on the front burner and is being addressed without compromising national unity. Democracy still remains on the horizon but the peoples’ “nikit level” is now conducive.

            Now what exactly is your beef with our Elite? Have the Sudanese and Egyptian elites achieved even a fraction? And where are the Eritrean and Somali elites?

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            “The Revers Midas touch..” was said by Serray.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sem,

            Serray is greatly missed. He was a great debater. I remember we clash each other in a debate on YG’s article that denigrate Ghedli and Tegadelties. Every now and then we are losing great debaters.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Have you ever thought whether your rigidity, your personal attacks and erratic conduct is contributing to the diminishing debate culture and depopulation of reasonable and decent people. Please do me a favor: before you reflexively shoot back, reflect first.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            ነቲ ናታስ ንሓማታ ይብላ አዴታት:: ንስኻዶ አይኮንካን ንርእይቶ ካባኻ ዝተፈልየ ዘለዎም ዲጅታል ወያነ ክትብሎም ትውዕል ዘለኻ:: I don’t attack people if they don’t attack me. But if they do, I will not restrain from reflexing back. I will not let to be humiliated by the street talkers. Sometimes you could be obliged to talk by the language they understand – a wisdom I learned from Aboy Mewael Mebrahtu (RIP).

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            Can you show me where and when I used the term Digital Woyane.
            If you are unable to provide evidence for the above claim, I would like you to donate $500 to Awate.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Go to your disqus you will find it there, or open your disqus for me I will get it for you. If you don’t want to do it, it is enough for me, if you watch your words from now onward.

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            No, no my brother! You can not claim something without evidence and expect people to prove/disprove you. It is perversion of legal logic.
            You do the work! I will follow up and check your progress.

          • EritreanHillBilly

            Hello Hashela,
            “depopulation of reasonable and decent people?”… you are using the language of Yemane G. Meskel who accused the United Nation of strategic depopulation of Eritrea…
            Amanuel is of the Gedhli generation… involved in his “great battle”…

          • Hashela

            selam EHB

            Revisit my and Amanuel’s comments and try to understand the context.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Open your Disqus to pull it your filthy unprofessional language. You can not ask a prove by locking your comments, brother. You don’t tell people to make research when you close the site of research. You got it?

          • Nitricc

            Hashela; why waste your time. you are way better than arguing with the digitalis. All you have to say is….
            RIP Dedebit.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Saay,

            The Italian political philosopher Machiavelli asserted that the political world was divided between two types: lions and foxes. As he explained in Book XVIII of The Prince, each creature had its strength and weakness:

            The lion cannot defend himself against snares (traps) and the fox cannot defend himself against wolves. Therefore, it is necessary to be a fox to discover the snares and a lion to terrify the wolves.

            We have Isaias, the TPLF, and Abiy. Now, which character is the lion, the fox, or a combination of both traits?

          • saay7

            Selam Simon:

            I prefer the Aesop version of the story of how a Fox is terrified upon first sighting of a lion and over time draws up enough courage to approach and talk to him.

            As it relates to your story. A Lion is a majestic predator and there is nothing remotely majestic about Isaias Abiy or TPLF. So we are really only left with the question of foxes or wolves.

            Both are from the dog family: a Fox can outwit any hunter including trained hunters. So maybe Isaias is a Fox. But a fox will almost always choose flight over fight so…. nope.

            All three are wolves: predators who are ready to kill at the slightest provocation.

            Incidentally, those who read Abiy Ahmed Ali’s እርካብ ና መንበር( The Stirrup & The Throne) tell me it’s Ethiopia’s answer to Machiavelli. The pen name used by the author, DRAZ, is the first initial of Abiy his wife and two daughters, according to Abiy himself. It’s ironic in the book Abiy describes all of Ethiopias famous ruler (Yohannes IV, Tewodros, Menelik, Haileselasse and Mengistu) as killers and that Ethiopia should seek a new type of leadership and not fall for the same way of doing things and avoid entrapment. Still he fell for the same trap…. (again, not a Fox) but then in the book he did say a lewder should be two faced and show each face based on the occasion necessitating it.

            saay

          • Kaddis

            Selamat Saay –

            I think Othello with the Iago character, played by the famous አበበ ባልቻ, made an impression on many probably Abiy too lol.
            Yeah – people want to (childish) confuse with incidents like the “north command” while ignoring the build-up and show of force was a weekly Abiyot adebabay and Meqele thing for years ( without the profiling, closing of roads, the endless Asmara and Sudan shuttles etc..)

            The few ferenjis I managed to talk in the sector were fairly surprised with the amount of support the war has from the mainstream center and recommended exactly the opposite if we can stop the war.

            I am not sure the Amharic class is acting deaf – but probably too ignorant and charged at the same time to understand that – those countries who wish to make the country weak ( for their strategic benefit reasons, not blaming here ) know us well and know where to invest in order to create war in Ethiopia. Very easy. They invested on hyping the Amharic elite through hate medias like ESAT.. inciting land was taken, others grew on the expense of you and profiling them etc…Then, due to mistakes by change makers like jawar and very dodgy moves made to manipulate the transition leadership make up ( mainly by western operatives sponsoring EZEMA, ex Kinijits), by idolizing Amhara generals (faces only) on the battlefield, militias etc …; the Amharic class is made to think now they are on top as declared by PM office jandereba Deacon Daniel who said -‘ we are on top now – don’t pull us down ‘ just last week.

            This means more war in Oromia, Benishangul, South etc…in fact the online incitement on ‘ the cannibal shanqelas’ ( Benishngul ) is taking shape.

            Why? – the moment the Amharic irredentist class is hyped – the resistance of the 70s. 80s by the nationalist movements comes back ….so does the violent cycle. So Isias sponsors made the right investment to make Ethiopia like South sudan or congo. The Amharic class ( economically ) , the poor ( ፈንጂ ረጋጭ ) and the wider center እሳት እየጨበጠ እንደሆነ አልገባውም just to fulfill Isias’s and the gulfs awkward dreams.

            I know Lidetu will be back on the media sooner than expected; how vocal he will be ..lets wait and see. Will it make a difference on the political transition …absolutely not.. his intimidation was meant to scare anyone planning to enter the political scene and it worked. You can already see ex Kinijits are on a charm offensive on every local media.

            Any impactful change comes to the horn only comes thru – humanitarian or other intervention with strong US backing, in Ethiopia and Somalia ( reinforced AMISOM) and a coup in Eritrea.

            TPLF seems also counting on Ethiopia situation to get worse ( partly they are right, sanction, more wars to the South, Sawa, sluggish economy, regional tag of war involving Somalia, Kenya, Sudan is growing …) while waiting change in the US policy direction. In the meantime – we are ticking our Awate designed checklist of Eritization of Ethiopia.
            Lovely to hear from you as always

    • Mez

      Good Day Kaddis,

      A very interesting observation of yours.
      1) I think the first round of military confrontation (between tplf and pmaaa government) is almost over now.
      2) if this confrontation is going to evolve to an asymmetric war-business or not, is going to be seen–anciliary information would show otherwise, (my guess).
      3) the ideological fighting will be the biggest battle, probably for the comming couple of years. 3.1) your thoughts in your first paragraph would fall in this category. 3.2) I don’t know if perpetuating enemity againest Eritrean and Amhara (substantial segments) will bring any tangible merit for the tplf short and long term sociopolitical objectives. 3.3) in the immediate future, the tplf smarties will be preoccupied in fending off the legitim (or illegitim–depending from whose perspective you look at) request of the Amhara population in Welkait, Tegede… of Gonder; and Raya, Alamata,… of Wolo; as well as the ethio-eritrean boarder demarcation requests.
      3.3.1) if they fail the ongoing all-out socio-ideological battle, then the “Abay-Tigray” project will disappear once and for all.
      4) the other long lasting battle would be about the reverberation of mythic beliefs of ordinary Citizens, which was implanted in the past 50 years. 4.1) this would take at least five to ten years to bring to a level of balanced information access, thereby helping people to make informed decisions. 4.2) as things appear now, we may witness unparalleled courtroom battles, and extensive and successive reconciliation gatherings and endless press releases.

      Thanks

      • Nitricc

        Hi Mez; PMAA going to treat the Tigryan people so good, the people of Tigray will forget TPLF with one month. You Watch. The Tigray people will live to thank PMAA. I never thought that Ethiopia and Eritrea will solve their problems with one stone and at the same time.

      • Kaddis

        Hi Mez –
        As much as I understand you – no one is missing tplf here – we are just certain the current administration has no legitimacy, capacity and sleeping with the wrong crowed to make better country. The argument from three years ago is the same – because Abiy doesn’t have a core support base ( as tigray and oromo political entities ) if he wants to consolidate power to the center and destroy the other two power bases, tigray and oromo – he needs to bring external powers ….and he did …who are they? at what cost? you guys dont want to discuss …so lets wait and see ….

        • Mez

          Dear Kaddis,
          1) you mentioned The PMAAA have “no ligitimacy or capacity…. no core support…”
          1.1) May be, may be not. As of now this government do have a substantial political-capital and technocractic claut. 1.2) Implicitely, I glean that you are expecting the tplf to rebounce militarily,… but there is no distinct objective reason to think that way.
          2) As far as tplf’s ideology-base and its potential resurgence is concerned, I strongly believe tplf was/is spinning towards self destruction since the last ten years–it will be too hard to recover from.

          Thanks

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Mez,
        Where do you place the other stakeholders in the ideological, political and demographic scenario? I have in mind the hot and cold confrontation areas of the country. I say, the issue pertains to constitutionalim – be it centered on reform of the existing or replacing it. Here, I am not overlooking how power center alliances at the center and so-called peripheries will evolve. The focus for observers now would be the cold confrontation components parts of the nation.

        • Mez

          Dear Ismail,

          Sorry for the belated reply on your thoughts.

          1) as a result of this hot war (tplf vs pmaaa) the dynamics and balance of alliance changed forever–as never seen in recent history.
          2) Regarding the political, social, economic, cultural, voice representation, personal vs group liberty rights, the dynamics of majority/minority representation/administration,…the political battle is just GOING TO START NOW.
          3) the political view and ideological basis of tplf have a chance here to rejuvenate itself and get heard, this time hopefully without guns.
          4) I hope the true believers of tplf will rise up from the ash and bring up a palpable non rcial-profiling based politics in to the mix of the new horn of africa politics (Ethiopia and Eritrea included).
          Thanks

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Mez,

            Thank you for your input. My thought pertained to the issues you listed in item 2. As you have noted, other power related issues aside, the point you mention in item 3 may prove in future to be more than “rejuvenation”. The struggle that would underpin any search towards constitutionally reordering Ethiopia would be the ideological or systemic future that will tight together the diversity in the country.
            The danger lies in the eventuality that some would take the traditional route of settling contradictions, namely use of force. If this course will be opted, then the journey would be very long drawn, and those who tasted and experienced the minimally decentralized governance under the current constitution would have reason to align against the centralist forces. It is here, in my view, that the future of Tigrai and its federalist forces would find place in the equation.
            Of course, I should note that amateurs like myself are looking at the matter from outside. Those who see and weigh matters from inside are better placed to formulate opinion.

          • Mez

            Greetings Ismail,

            1) Your points are well placed and clear, thanks.
            2)just the concept federalism; as things stand before the conflict in Tigray: “Tigray and its federalist forces” seems to stand “in stark contradictions with applied federalism concept and ideology” anywhere, or as we know it globally today.
            2.1) I hope some lovely/ lively discussion will come soon forth from every interested stakeholder (this time with no gun in use)

            Thanks

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Mez,
            I sincerely share your hope. Use of forces for the purpose of subjugation should be relegated to history books. The መሸፈት/ማስገበር power relations vis-a-vis the subjects should give way to rights and duties of free citizens. My allusion to “federalist forces” hint at the groups of Gebru Asrat, Aregawi Berhe and may others that could emerged or helped to emerge. Otherwise, what you understood about federalism as a system and its application is correct.

  • Aman Y.

    Selam all,

    Do Ethiopian leaders love their country or their people? would serve me better to answer the question. I may even dare to consider it as the thesis.

    Lets take the leaders as samples, And make the love seasonal between war and peace. And this works also for Eritrea and other countries as well as the people. Bon Heir, a German , killed by Hitler for siding with the Jews, said “Emotional Nationality” is what makes the value of people cheap. Rationally people love people than a their country.

    For the leaders, loss of humans, destruction of infrastructures, Economical loss lies secrets … are collateral damages.

    Media: You know better. But I would say, to break the news first or entice viewers for clicks.

    Thank you and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    “Do Ethiopian(s) love their country?”

    Just like that, without any qualifier? And written by Awate Team; by a whole Team? Are you serious?

    Semere Tesfai

    • Dongolo

      Selam Semere Tesfai. Kinda reminds one of a hive of bees that just lost its queen (the TPLF); they are now in a state of complete utter confusion with absolutely no sense of direction or purpose.

    • Dis Donc

      Dear Sr. Tesfai,

      Never thought that you, of all the people, would to come to disappoint me. Pay attention a that TPLF, from the get go, created animosity to itself and to Tigray, both from the North and South. They never measured and appreciated their camaraderie, that they had enjoyed, with Eritreans, especially with the Tigrigna speaking parts of it, pre-1991. At the same time, they had no idea that they have little in common with the rest of Ethiopia or anything south of Tigray. I keep saying that the North never have gotten the chance to know Ethiopia and Ethiopianism. And when given the chance, TPLF intentionally chose to not know her!

      The result was, TPLF played king and king maker at the same time, as if it were the Zemene Mesafint, anointing chieftains all over the country. After a near 30 years of subjugation and terror, peoples’ patience ran out and demanded that, this time not just good governance, end of corruption, nepotism, etc… but also they get back lands that were taken away from them. The last act being effectively isolating Tigray from Sudan, which might have served as a pressure valve at the moment and a life line later on.

      Note that, before the war they were chest beating and threatening for the dissolution of Ethiopia into ethnic lines. Later on during the war, they did their maximum to internationalize the conflict. Now they are at the latter stages of realization that the war is not only lost but also effectively eradicated TPLF and its cells. The final stage being rationalizing the mortal conflict….

      Dear SJG,

      Please know that despite our differences, I’ve always appreciated the platform that you and Co provide to us. And I have no qualms with what is written and commented here. I’d like to be here everyday but is impossible; given work, family and other engagements. Also, yesterday I learned that Hope-Nebsy is banned…. please have mercy! Please!

      • Saleh Johar

        Dis Donc,
        You are wrong. Hope banned himself. I Hope Abi can explain this to you.

        • Dis Donc

          Hola SGJ,

          I didn’t know…. I will take that back!!

          Thanks Abi!!

      • Abi

        Hello DD
        Hope is taking a break from shooting him self. Rumor has it he is leaking his wounds alone.

        He was repeatedly advised to pick up a nickname and to stick with it. He is taking his time to choose an appropriate nickname from among the more than 15 he used throughout his stay at Awatenation.
        How difficult is it to choose a nickname?

        Hope, I know you are reading this comment. Pick a nickname, announce the moderator, apologize to all residents and visitors alike, and continue participating.
        You are missed, almost.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Treason, is in part, normally defined as providing comfort to the enemy and that is exactly what this article attempts to do for the TPLF. Please stop this nonsense and concentrate on what is happening no inside of Eritrea. Incredible, for 20+ years, many engaged in treason vis-a-vis the TPLF and still with their demise, treacherous behavior continue unadulterated.

  • Abi

    Hello All
    Finally, the love of Ethiopians for their motherland is questionable by a group of senile activists who have been sleeping with the Tplf thugs who did everything in their power to destroy Eritrea.
    I have concluded that these senile bunches are against Eritrea and Eritreans.

    • Dongolo

      Selam Abi. Based upon an outstanding record of achievements over the past 20+ years and premised upon utmost transparency & trust, Eritrean opposition (TPLF sympathizers) are now busy formulating their next 20-year stratagem aimed at preventing Isaias from becoming a centenarian President. They will be convening a seance this Wednesday with Meles Zenawi in attempt to draw upon his spiritual guidance.

      • Abi

        Dongolo
        “Eritrean Opposition” እንዴት ተቀለደ?!?!?
        I didn’t know you were funny. There have never been Eritrean Opposition in the true sense of the word. The Tplf formed , molded and modified opposition did accomplish absolutely nothing except promoting their handlers. They were busy breaking up and multiplying like amoeba.
        Do these opposition love Eritrea? ABSOLUTELY NO!!!!! No Eritrean can convince me that he loves his country while defending the dead and buried TPLF. They are mutually exclusive.

        It doesn’t surprise me if these zombies are still looking for guidance from the visionary Meles. Eritrea escaped Meles engineered, ethnic and religion based, dangerous change.
        It is time these zombies gracefully retire from the political scene. It is even more important these Tplf sympathizers leave Ethiopia . Ethiopia has no room for Tplf sympathizer zombies any longer. They have proven to be good for nothing.
        ኖረው ካልጠቀሙ ቢሞቱ አይጎዱም ::

        • Abay

          Dear Abi
          Hope all is well. There is a recent article here in one of the newspapers stating that warnings were given to Eritrean refugees by the Ethiopian government and I will give you the details of it after I re-read it. Trust me the Ethiopian government will not tolerate those who want to play it both ways: refugees residing in Ethiopia and being sympathizers of TPLF. I will come back to that.
          Regards
          Abay

    • Selam Abi,

      Why do some people still demean and demonize Ethiopian kings who are dead and gone centuries ago? How do they affect the present day political reality, when the world is such a different place, when compared even with the world only half a century ago?
      Why do people lie by saying that tplf didn’t start the war when tplf itself said that it carried out a lightning preemptive strike against the NC and has taken all the munitions? Is this not declaration of war?
      Why do they say that the federal army attacked the people of Tigray and not tplf, although they know the truth? The people and the cities of Tigray are intact and it is only tplf that suffered the loss and they are now hiding in caves, not the people of Tigray.
      Tigrayans are returning to their jobs and are going to open their business today, and public administrations, banks, etc are to function too, thus bringing back the region to a normal life just within a month. They have electricity and phone connections that were destroyed by tplf. Roads are being fixed, and hospitals and the people are getting supplies from the federal government and the International Red Cross. The transitional regional government is going to convene today and Tigray post-tplf is a reality, to the disappointment of tplf supporters.
      Living in denial is not going to help anyone. Tplf is dead, the people of Tigray are free, and peace will soon return to Ethiopia. Some people, especially Eritrean tplf supporters, hate all these, and they don’t ask themselves, why there is no change for their country and people too? Are they not dreaming for a change at all?

      (Abi: Don’t waste your time answering my questions, because everything happens on purpose and nothing is going to change).

    • Abay

      Dear Abi
      I cannot agree more! Many TPLF lovers in this forum don’t like Eritrea! They stand by the side of TPLF, the ardent enemy of Eritrea, that held Eritrean territory by force, they adore the very TPLF that confiscated Eritrean properties and kicked them out of Ethiopia, a country they spent most of their lives in, they adore the very TPLF that mastered in its sinister capacity the exclusion of Eritrea from the international community. The article should be ” Do Eritreans Love their Country”. The interest of these TPLF lovers, like TPLF, is getting hold of power for its own sake. Can you imagine, some months ago they rallied against the EU giving fund to Eritrea for infrastructure development! Why, because they are not in power! I do hope these people will never take control of the country! TPLF is their role model and we do not want them to slaughter Eritrean soldiers in their deep sleep like the butcher TPLF did.
      Regards
      Abay

  • Haile S.

    Selam AT,

    Do Ethiopians love their country? Yes they do. As much as Eritreans love their country and perhaps a little more.

    I was rather puzzles by your last paragraph from which I took this “Providing an evidence for the claim by the Government of Tigray shouldn’t be this difficult. In a time when cellphones are abundantly available, is mindboggling no evidence was presented to support the claim.”

    As one other commentator (Consolation) already said, one can’t provide evidence if it doesn’t exist. And I will add, or either the evidence must be fabricated. And it was and is getting fabricated in the mouth of Getachew Reda who started propagating the idea that houses are getting dismantled, stolen in Humera and taken by Eritreans accross the river, right at the biggining of the law enforcing operation. This was followed by himself and by his boss Debretsion and by the myriad of Eritrean opposition with TV channels, youtube channels and other media outlets, who claim to love their country people more than anyone. These opposition groups and individuals are becoming the principal propagators of fire and hate between Eritrea and Tigray, weirdely in the name of their solidarity with TPLF. It appears one have to sacrifice his brother/sister to demonstrate his allegeance and love to his idol. The history of Abel and Cain repeats!

    I understand, AT, you are looking for hard evidence. But hard evidence needs time and a certain respite in the middle of a “war” to fabricate when it is not readily there. It was said 6000 Eritrean refugees were abducted by Eritrean authorities from the camps in Tigray. If true, who knows the abductor was infact TPLF itself to use them as captured soldiers? After all aren’t these Sawa conscripts? When there is no hard evidence of abduction, every theory is possible, especialy considering TPLF’s speciality and history of implicating Eritrea even in wars that don’t exist.

    • Hashela

      Selam Haile

      Thank you for highlighting the bigotry of the oppositions and their media.

      Awate Team: you wrote “Anecdotal evidence that confirms Eritrean army involvement are overwhelming.”

      Words have meaning and the choice of words/wording does matter.

      Anecdotal evidence does not overwhelmingly confirm anything. Anecdotal evidence suggests something.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Hashela,

        Sorry, I didn’t pay attention to the wordings. I am in the protective and benefit of doubt mode on our Awate.com. It is the only media remaining for us. All other so called opposition media and dotComs are in the campaign of denigrating and dirtying their own people paying a sacrificial lamb to go TPLF-Paradise! Thank you!

        • Hashela

          Selam Haile

          I did not mean to criticize you. The strength of Awate is its politically diverse audience that occasionally constructively engages Awate Team and the author of Negarit that I enjoy very much. Saleh, I promise to never ask you the titles of your colorful books!!

    • Dis Donc

      Bon soir Haile S.,

      Comme on dit en français “la qualité d’un homme se calcule a sa démesure: tentez, essaye, échouez même, ce será votre réussite.” Bon, de même chose s’applique à awate.

      Abi,

      What do you expect? The people are in a dispensary machine like napkins. Look on the commentary section of the article regarding the Eritrean Migrants. Did it look like they cared for the people? Of course we are the first to pack up our bags and head to the west. And when the west says no, we cry foul. That’s not to say that there is no racism, though.

      • Haile S.

        Bon soir Dis Donc,

        Only a true amateur of Brel can cite this. I know you are one. Thank you! Merci beaucoup !

    • Saleh Johar

      HaileS,
      You presented your argument against a non existent claim. If you reread the first sentence, it reads, “It’s safe to say Ethiopians love their country…” The challenge is to answer the second half of the sentence, do they love their country “… more than their people” or not? So, the Pencil is saying Ethiopians love their country. Whether they love it more than the Eritrean love for their country is debatable.

      I wish you helped on the comparison: do they love their country more than their people, or, do they love their people more than their country, or, they love both equally, etc. That is the central question that needs probing.

      On the insistence on hard evidence, it is a challenge for anyone who claimed Eritrean involvement thus far. Indeed, anecdotal evidence are “overwhelming”, including claims presented by the USA and others. And in journalism, building news starts from anecdotal evidence or even from word of mouth. It remains a lead, or a hunch or something of that nature until it’s supported by enough evidence. And since the claim is still inconclusive, the challenge is to those who claim it’s a fact. In that case they need to either present the evidence of involvement or retract the claim. I fail to see the problem there: do you?

      I am part of the editorial team and there is divergence of views even amongst the team. But at some point the accusation and counter accusation has got to come to an end because it’s very serious. And since the propaganda onslaught is deafening, it has proven difficult to navigate.

      My personal view is that most Ethiopian elite are so patriotic when it comes to protecting mythologies, and their nostalgia for ancien regimes (in the plural!), etc. When it comes to caring for citizens’ lives, history attests that blood has always been cheap and lives very dispensable. That I am willing to debate with decent people who stay away from bravados and willing to break taboos.

      On the hard evidence, I think there was enough time to present evidence if any. If an entity makes an official statements to that effect, it should be able to p[resent the evidence. If a statements is made, it follows there is evidence behind the statement that are, logically, made after acquiring the needed evidence. Six-weeks of war where tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians participated is going on. Certainly there are POWs, deserters, wounded and the like. And with that providing abundant evidence should not be that difficult. I think.

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Saleh,

        I had noticed that. Infact I removed the ‘people’ side of it because I didn’t want to develop that part, just concentrating on my second paragraph.

        But I agree with you, it deserves to be analysed. You said:

        “My personal view is that most Ethiopian elite are so patriotic when it comes to protecting mythologies, and their nostalgia for ancien regimes (in the plural!), etc. When it comes to caring for citizens’ lives, history attests that blood has always been cheap and lives very dispensable.”

        My view is: This is the impression most people gather. It is an impression that originates from “modernity-born” thinking and classification of citizenship into professional soldier, peasant, city-dweller, proletariat etc. Traditionally speaking, an Abyssinian whether ETHIOPIAN or ERITREAN, whether peasant or merchant is first and foremost a soldier, a ጨዋ or ጭዋ. Whenever a negarit beats, he immediately stops what he was doing, grabs his weapons asks his wife to follow him and goes to where his immediate chief is located. The family is part of the army that defends the country. There is no people without the country!

        The country is represented by the immediate local chief. Every citizen is accountable to him. Citizen-Amare or soldier-Ghebre most likely didn’t know the name of the country they are defending. They called it ሃገራችን or ሃገርና. It is in danger and their task is to defend it whether against a very external invader or against a rebellion of a well known chief who went to the bush and had gathered a large army. If this later rebel wins, he will be accepted by all as the next chief who defends the ሃገር. So to chose among the choices you gave me, Ethiopians love their country and people equally, so do Eritreans as well!

        The squabbles among us here is that we who became Eritreans have no reason giving lessons to those who became Ethiopians in such matters unless we include ourselves in the mix. It is getting felt like “when the kettle called the pot black!”

        • Hashela

          Haile

          Thank you for this interesting view.
          Since the origin of ጭዋ is ሽዋ, does it mean a ጭዋ type behavior is deeply Amharic?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            Perhaps, but I am not sure if ጭዋ come from ሸዋ. It might be just a coincidence.

            Kim Hanna, I know ሸዋ are ጨዋ 😁, I am just saying on the origin wirds!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile,

            Hesitating lest I get on the collision course with the currently over initiated, I would like to ask you, having in mind your broad considered reading of the cultural history of the region- Habshaland, whether the word ጨዋ/ጭዋ does not have other designation or connotation. I mean to say: ጭዋ as opposed to ባርያ pertaining to social differentiation. The existence of ሎጎ ጭዋ and ሎጎሳርዳ in Eritrea complicates the matter in my mind.

            To add a word to what I am trying to say, in the light of the useful exchange you and Saleh Johar had, I would be pleased if you would like to throw light on where the role of the church fit in the narrative of the evolution of the relationship between the subjects of Abyssinia with their rulers in relation to love of
            ሃገር (I would prefer መረት) and duty of defending it. My understanding of the history of that land, especially since the so called restoration, and following medieval period to the emergence of the empire-state under the current name, the church and the monarchy had mutually serving symbiotic relationship.

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Ismail,

            Interesting and challenging question! I will come back on it later after gathering my thought. My approach to history is from an amateur view (don’t want to say amateurish😑). Yours is from very dedicated professional angle; therefore, take mine as complementary.

            On the collusion side, I have seen your highly appreciated head, but never your ቴስታ. If at all you and me collide, it is with our shoulders😁!
            Best

          • Abi

            መምህር
            I admire your humble nature. Forget this shoulder to shoulder collision. You are above head and shoulders when it comes to maturity and professional integrity.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile,
            Sorry for my poor expression. Regarding the “collusion ” remark, it was in general reference to the euphoric atmosphere of a kind of a hard-won “triumphalism” going on by some in this forum. In fact, I get thrilled and summon courage to try and learn from your versatile knowledge. Never had even a flash of imagination in my mind to collide with you for a simple reason: I never encounted any triviality in your inputs. There are very few in this forum whom I attentively watch and benefit from their contributions.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail,

            No sorry necessary. The appreciation is mutual. I will come back on our discussion later. Just wants to have at hand Ullendorff, Tamrat, Doresse et al at hand in case of need.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile,
            If Tamrat is the late Prof. Tadesse Tamrat, you have the right reference in house on medieval Ethiopia and church-monarchy relationship, which I had in mind earlier today.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail,

            Yes it is him. What a great man!

            Having said that I prefer to come back on the subject on much more conducive time. Not that I consider myself knowing anything significant, but because we went one step forward on the matter with you and I don’t want to let you wondering.
            Best regards

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Haile,
            Yes indeed, he was the first native historian who ventured to tackle difficult part of Ethiopian history, namely the medieval periodwhich was very mush shrouded in obscurities at the time. I think he started the study as doctoral dissertation. As he continued the research, he taught as the same subject in college. I left before his book was published.
            By the way, I do not know if you are aware of another work by the late prof. Donald Crummey who was contemporary of Dr. Taddesse. His research dealt with land ownership with focus on “gulti” as related to church ownership endowed by the monarchs. The symbiotic mutually useful relationship I mentioned yesterday. I think if you get Crummey’s book, it may help you broaden your perspective.

          • Consolation

            Selam Hashela,

            We have to be careful or Abi will claim that ሎጐ ጭዋ originates from ሎጐ ሽዋ which proves that Hamassien was at one time a province of Shoa and should thus return to its mother’s fold.

          • Hashela

            Selam Debesai

            As you know our society has a time tested and viable mechanism to solve such complex and sensitive issues. You guessed it, it is solved by intermarriage. The daughter of IA gets married to a son of a noble family in Bahr Dar and IA gets a nice retirement villa at Lake Tana. The only request we have is that IA retires effectively immediately, and gets an one-way flight ticket.

            I am sure PMAA will prefer a villa in Dongolo with a fantastic view to the Red Sea than the village of ሎጎ ጭዋ.

          • Consolation

            Hello Hashela,

            I was referring to our Abi who still has not reconciled himself to the fact that Eritrea is gone for good. As for intermarriages, it doesn’t always work. Queen Victoria married her daughters and granddaughters across Europe but it did not prevent her grandson Wilhelm II, the Emperor of Germany and her other grand son George V of the United Kingdom fighting a bitter war.

          • Aligaz G

            Consolation,

            All the major warring nations during WWI except Turkey were ruled by first cousins – further proving your point. In addition the House of Windsor was renamed from Saxe Coburg and Gotha during the war in order to hide the English monarchy’s German roots. Think of WWI as the incestuous World War.

        • Saleh Johar

          Thanks Haile,
          What you explained is the evolution of clans, tribes, and nations— all humanity. But I was not discussing evolution but the present behavior that seems to live tied up to the norms of ancient times. Secondly, what I said includes the Abyssinian culture wherever we are located. That’s my established view. And no one is giving lessons to anyone because I know the nature vs nurture argument. Guess which one applies to the people in question. But my problem is that we as Eritreans are threatened when they are going through rare peacetime and equally threatened when they are at war which is most of the time. That’s the relevance of the 800 years. But wait, someone complained it’s in fact 2 or 3 thousand years not 800! As if there is a bigger prize for 3000 years compared to 800.

          What many are missing is that awate is a website and it does what it was established to do: write opinions, editorials, news etc. it feels that some think it’s all about the forum and their abusive behavior that we overly tolerate. We will write about Ethiopia, Sudan, uae, Saudi Arabia, even about Argentina and Antarctica if we see a connection to Eritrea. And we don’t have to be answerable to anyone but our principles and goals. So, we have been fighting dictatorship as much as we can and it’s painful when we host views that promote dictatorship. Don’t you think it defeats out purpose? Now that we see some people are fond of dictatorships that close the press and chase reporters and writers, maybe we can serve them some recipes like the dictators they are fond of serving the beleaguered people. And we are having second thoughts of tolerating individual who promote dictatorship yet are disrespectful and abusive. Maybe it’s time we held them by the type of regulations that they do much admire!

          Waw. Sorry Haile, I used your comment as a launching pad to vent some steam. Really apologize but I had to do it and I chose you as a victim because Tu es tres gentil:-)

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            I thought we were past hiding behind insinuations. Just come out and directly make your silly jokes about 300 yrs so we can all giggle with you. But if you wish to listen the take home lesson about 3000 yrs signifies longevity and persistence beyond shallow imagination and empty words. And we always let our friends and enemies know it will take a lot more than they have to destroy this legacy. Having lived among us unfortunately you still don’t understand us. But then who understands Ethiopians? LOL

          • Saleh Johar

            Ato Aligaz,
            Correction: I used to visit you occasionally but didn’t live among you.

            I do not mind you boasting about 10,000 years let alone 3000. I object to it only when it is used to justify hegemonic aspirations.

          • Aligaz G

            Ato Saleh,

            How magnanimous of you but 10,000 yrs BP is back in the Neolithic. Modern historians rely on written records, oral records, archeology, linguistics and genetic studies well as other data points in total in order to decipher the past. And in our case with the exception of possibly the written record, all other indications prove the 3000 yrs creation story of the Ethiopian state.

            Now the zeroth rule of identity politics is self definition ie if Saleh wishes to arbitrarily define himself as a Martian then voila Saleh is a Martian and Aligaz has no grounds to dispute Saleh’s right to be a Martan. And by extension Saleh has no right to dispute our 3000 yrs identity for any reason whatsoever. Case closed.

            And incidentally according to AT which you may have read, Eritrean troops are currently in Ethiopia so who is the hegemon? cheers

    • iSem

      Haile S:
      Loving the mere, the landscape and the symbols, adoring the lash scenery, the pristine sea shores, our red sea that we love, but that we did not have a say neither in its formation nor in its belong to us should not be confused with the love of the holistic nation., the people who love their country do not go and bomb section of it, you bring the so called “criminals” to rule of law. So, neither Abiy’s current alliance and PFDj loves their respective countries
      I am not sure what yu are trying to say, for the firs time you confused me
      I am sure Abi’s current booster love their Nile, their qat and their coffee

      • Haile S.

        Selamat iSem,

        I hope you read my additional input in response to SGJ’s comment below, and you see what I mean. Since AT mentioned 800 years of history, I was putting into consideration the whole history, not that of 2 or 3 years only.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi iSem.

        According to WSJ.

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/ethiopia-what-we-know-about-the-war-in-the-tigray-region-11605530560

        How did the war start?

        The war began after Mr. Ahmed said TPLF militias attacked an Ethiopian National Defense Force base near Mekelle on Nov. 4. The attack became the casus belli for Mr. Ahmed, who quickly abandoned his previous conciliatory approach toward the restive state to deploy ground troops and the air force. Both sides are heavily armed: The TPLF has control of artillery, long-range rockets and weapons caches hidden across the region. Mr. Ahmed’s government declared a six-month state of emergency in Tigray and shut down the internet and telecommunication networks.

        What do you think the right response would be?

        The TPLF has control of artillery, long-range rockets and weapons caches hidden across the region.

        Berhe

        • iSem

          Hi BY:
          I do not have the right answer, but I know and every one with even half brain should know that Attacking Tigray is the wrong thing to do for Ethiopia

          By your question and backing it up with literature you seem to be saying attacking Tigray was the right thing to do?
          An other q for your: why did Tigray attack the NC, I believe they are not that dumb, I believe the knew what was going in between Abiy and IA.
          Listen, this math is clear and what I care about the of rule of law in Eritrea, the alliance between Abiy and IA protracts that and increases the suffering, and also and it puts the sovereignty of Eritrea in danger, those whose fathers’ were killed by Amhara, those who gran dads’ village were burned by Amhara are fighting along side them to fulfill IA’s revenge, that is how simple.
          Many are having problem with this elementary logic.
          How is this war benefit the implementation of rule of law in out country. Despite commenting prolifically about this topic,you have not answered that question.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            I will get to the second part of your argument, which was nothing to do with what you started with.

            Since you are not making a differentiation between Tigray and TPLF, and let me clarify. I was talking about TPLF. And the TPLF happens to be Tigray.

            Let me ask you again. Do you think if TPLF have not taken control of the NC, Abiy would have attacked them.

            Let me tell what I think, he might. But it will be a huge outcry and I didn’t think he could have done it and get away with it.

            You said they are not stupid. Now I know why Paul calls Melles the visionary leader. Because he did all the thinking for TPLF. Without him, I don’t think they have any idea what to do.

            Why would they take over the command and they had not thought about the damage to their state abd the population?

            If this is joe things will end up, they could have gone / transported all the arms and Dedebit and wait.

            Just like EPLF did during shadishay werar, they packed and went to Nacfa.

            Derg has yes reason to bomb Eritrea ? I think the same would have happened for them as well.

            But this is even worse option, compared to the option they left it on the table. Rather than arguing about election / Corona, they could have invoked article 39

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Let me help Sem or let me say two things:

            (a) I quote: “ Now I know why Paul calls Melles the visionary leader. Because he did all the thinking for TPLF. Without him, I don’t think they have any idea what to do.”

            Yes Meles was a visionary. He was not the thinking mind of Tigray people only rather he was the thinking mind of the entire Ethiopia. Look Ethiopia after him, let alone to sustain the economic developments they were gaining, they can not even live together in the last 8 years. They are diving in to an ethnic civil war. Now in Tigray tomorrow in Oromo or Sidama, walyta. That what it looks the scenario. Hate him or love him, there is no another Meles for the foreseeable future to the people of Tigray in particular and the people of Ethiopia in general.

            (b) I quote: “ Now I know why Paul calls Melles the visionary leader. Because he did all the thinking for TPLF. Without him, I don’t think they have any idea what to do.”

            Since the strategy of the alliance ((Issayas and Abiy) was to suppress and intimidate the Tigray people and to remove their government, the war was imminent and no any alternative possible reasons will dissuade them from going in to a war. The strategy was indeed intended to secure their power from the mind of the leaders of the alliance. You could call the situation as “fait accompli.”

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            The only vision Meles had was killing Eritrea. He almost did it. Funny thing is you are still mourning eight years after his death. Why?
            Is it because he died before finishing off Eritrea?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            Since the strategy of the alliance ((Issayas and Abiy) was to suppress and intimidate the Tigray people and to remove their government, the war was imminent and no any alternative possible reasons will dissuade them from going in to a war.

            I don’t know if you know, but unless TPLF have developed a technology like in Steven Spielberg movie, the Minority Report, where using surveillance, they can prevent a crime before happening.

            But the fact that they exposed their state and their people to retaliatory measures says a lot about how much they care for their people and their state.

          • Nitricc

            But the fact that they exposed their state and their people to retaliatory measures says a lot about how much they care for their people and their state.

            Hi Berhe; very true. Any time they plan and execute the plan; they never have a plan B. On this one, they should something to safe gourd their people. They know the federal government to take actions to the end. for anyone with honest mind, what is PMAA supposed to do? If he didn’t take the action he took, it was the end of Ethiopia. No killil will respect the federal government, then the end of the union. He had to do what he has done.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Your view is after the fact. Anyone could say the same thing against the vanquished or against the one who lost its upper hand. So we shall see how this crises will devolve to the rest of Ethiopia, and for how long Issayas could stay his involvement in their politics – is another factor we shall watch carefully. Can Abiy survive without Issayas? absolutely not. So let us wait how the realignment will take place in the near future between now and Summer 2021.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Emma,

            You are right my views are after the fact. But like anything else, risk needs to be put into consideration.

            Like you said, let’s see how this turn out.

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            It is Ato Amanuel Hidrat who called Meles “visionary “.
            Give credit where …

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            no, am making differentiation. But rememberTPLF represents Tigrayans and it has a huge support, it is not like PFDJ in many terms.

            So are you telling me the attack is differentiating and is surgically attacking TPLF or the list that Abiy issued?

            Yes the war would happen eventually, it was leading up to it, it was bound to happen, maybe the attack of NC expedited it. We were hearing Ethiopian troops going to Eritrea and the romancing with IA was going on, who is still licking his wounds from the humiliation by TPLF. So, yes the war was bound to happen, but it was avoidable. Abiy is a fool for siding with IA and not Eritrea ppl and you never answered my question because You could not. How does this help our aspiration of rule of in Eritrea.
            Abiy is a fool also for his own country, do you really believe Abiy’s of kifle hager idea will work , which will remove the federal sytesm, the Ormo will not like it, the others will not like it, only Amhara will like it. TPLF dominated the political power and economy and that should have been reformed, but they did not have cultural hegemony like HS and dergi that is why you speak fluent amharic 🙂
            So no one want to return back to the dark ages, even though TPLF economically benefited from the system before Abiy, at its core it was developmental and many groups benefited it and they liked that freedom and I believe they would not go for centralized govern (what did you and Emma argue about called it unitary?)

            so the stupidity of this war will end of killing the ppl in Abiy’s list only? the world is better now and maybe we will not see millions of refugees as we saw in 1984 but I refuse to cheer for this war and the 1998 as well, there are solutions

            You can critique TPLF, they should have done this or that, I can help you with that too, they should have reformed their federal government a decade ago, they had a good run,and it expired and I said this in 2013, it not new revelation that this war gave me, so you know.
            This blunder may bring Abiy’s and IA list to their demise, but it will not end well for Ethiopia, if they want to keep their country for an other 3000 years:-)

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            You are not making a good argument. Yes, the TPLF represented Tigray people, but did the Tigray people give them the authority and attach and control the federal North Command. You can be for the rule of law (I am elected representative) and an outlaw (taking the law in your own hands) at the same time.

            Why are you making the argument complicated? Isayas and Abiy can bromanse all they want, but they can’t have any reason to start a war. Ethiopia under Abiy is not the same as Eritrean under Isayas. Isayas can get away with it, he can be isolated, he can be ignored, he can be sanctioned and no body will remember or care, the only people who suffer are the Eritrean people. If Abiy take such drastic actions, everyone will know and care, the AU, EU, US, investing community and others.

            You sure know the saying He that draws his sword against his prince must throw away the scabbard. .

            If they are so smart, you don’t think they have weigh the risks and the response. Did all of the military council thought, Ethiopia with all it’s military would just say, let’s talk.

            Let me tell this story..when were growing up in Asmara we an older neighbor and he is originally from Keren. When we misbehave, he would threaten us.. “Ya weled” but actually never harm anyone. I think one summer, one of this nephew I think he come from Keren to spend summer in Asmara. He was a very cocky, fast talking, and good soccer player. He had nice harmful accent so we were laughing in the early days. His confidence is so high, he had no problem talking to the girls and I think all of them liked him for his charms. He made fun of everyone to the point of annoyance.

            He was skinny looking, so no body believed this guy can actually defeat anyone if it comes to a fight. So one day he took his cockiness to extreme and pick in defender. I mean this guy is the nicest and he is usually, calm, collected and doesn’t speak much but the work horse of our team. So he insuted him and they ended up fighting.

            It didn’t take long and he picked him up and droped him in the grown. He was still holding to his neck and while he still down, knowing he may not beaten up he was still smiling. The guy told him to say “ayay do” so if he says “ayay”, to accept defeat and let him go.

            He wouldn’t…then there was this older man who was passing by..while both were on the ground. He probably thought they were playing as there was no punching….and he said to the old man…”ኣቦይ ዓቢ፥ ዑሮቁና”.

            So it seems the TPLF plan was like that..

            Berhe

          • Consolation

            Hi iSem,

            My advice to people like you, who are in extreme pain due to the extermination of the TPLF thugs, is to take a break. You are confused, angry and incoherent. Only people with cotton between their ears think that it was not the right thing for Abiy to take decisive military action to eradicate the cancer of the Horn. Your argument that Eritreans should not fight against the Tigrayan mafia along side Ethiopian soldiers is very silly and can only be the outcome of 40 days and nights of anguish and pain. Millions of Europeans died in two world wars. By the application of your elementary logic, the French and the Germans should be at loggerheads today.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            His Majesty አቢቹ and his administration is extremely grateful for the ነፍስ አድን እርዳታ generously provided by His Excellency ኢሱዬ::
            የኢሱዬን ውለታ አንረሳውም::

  • Peace!

    Hi All,

    It appears we are eloquent and aggressive at diagnosing Ethiopia’s illnesses and its ambitions, but when it comes to Eritrean issues we are extremely careful to the extent we have lost ample opportunities to bring the suffering of our people to an end. What is unfolding in Ethiopia has been brewing for years that oppressing majority cannot be sustained under any circumstance, and for Eritrea the challenge is rather she is not prepared for any eventuality– the dictator is trying to save his life at any cost, and the 20+ Opposition groups almost do not exist. It is a bit demoralizing to see our best option at this critical juncture is to warn other countries to behave regardless.

    Narrating Ethiopian problem should be left to Ethiopians rather we should be evaluating the struggle against the tyranny and discuss on means to move forward.

    Peace!

    • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

      I fully concur with you. That is the real pardox.

    • Tesfay

      Hi Peace,
      Even if the topic of Awate’s is about Eritrea, after a few replies, some wise guys take a 180 degrees turn and make the discussion about Ethiopia. This is pure speculation, but I think those who are fond of using this tactic may have a deep affection for Ethiopia and secretly want to be Ethiopians. Why else one is fond of dissecting Ethiopia’s ills, progress, and potential day in day out in an Eritrean forum? They will say because it is a big important neighbor blah, blah. The dictator of Eritrea, for all practical purpose has dropped the pretensions and is more concerned about Ethiopia’s fate than Eritrea and has been acting as the house boy of Abiy. As far as Eritrea’s hand in the current war, Isaias’s motto is ” never let a serious crisis go to waste,” and I can bet the farm if not directly there is a high probability, covertly, he is involved as his modus operandi is to have extreme lack of transparency on whatever crazy things he does. Don’t tell, admit, or explain and life goes on.He got away with it for ever why stop now.

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Why didn’t website Tolstoys write a similar article damning Ethiopia during the heinous 27 year TPLF tyranny?

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awate Team,

    Thank you for the short summary report, on the ethnic conflicts and ethnic wars that are exploded within the Ethiopian social groups and the role of the central government in the forefront of the war of ethnic cleansing, to turn Ethiopia in to the war of lords on their cycle of history. Abiy who projected himself to fulfill the dream of his mother (to be a king) became the agent of the old history in modern Ethiopia. Who knows, he might be in collision with Issayas, who might claim the throne of his grand-grandfather. Watch out that possible collision as time went on. However the following statement in your report is very true.

    “The multi-faceted Ethiopian problem is a combination of illiteracy, booming population, and an economy always disrupted by wars in pursuit of hegemonic aspirations.”

    When we said there is an ethnic war and ethnic profiling perpetuated in full gear by the central government, the supporters of Abiy and the PFDJites are dispatched to “cover up” the real story on what is going on to the people Tigray. The statement below in your report justify how the people of Tigray at large are being treated by the central government.

    “ Lately it was plagued by ethnic profiling and the administration bluntly told Tigrayan employees to stay home, a polite version of firing.”

    Lastly, I am one from those who argued on the full participation of the Eritrean military in the civil war of Ethiopia. There are many ways of finding out the participation of the Eritrean army on the war and hunting on the Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia. It require a telephone call on the war fronts only, when there is no access to local and international media in the war theater in the Tigray region. I believe Gedab news could have done the same thing to find out the truth, rather reporting the partisan stands about the issue.

    Regards

    • Peace!

      Good Morning,

      Perhaps Assenna (Amanuel Iyasu) and this website have different way of verifying and processing raw information, and please let’s leave Ethiopian issue to Ethiopians. Please enlighten us, Why the 20+ Opposition Groups have failed?

      Peace!

      • Haile S.

        Selam Peace,

        Processing raw information doesn’t exist in the mind of such type of propagandists who call themselves journalists. During the first rocket launch on Asmara by TPLF, this individual said after announcing the news “ህዝቢ ኣስመራ ኣንፈቱ ካይፈለጠ ይሃድም ኣሎ”። ነዳይ ናይ ልቡ ይሓልም ድዩ ዝብሃል!

      • Saleh Johar

        Peace!
        I wondering. You have been in this forum and website before it was launched 🙂
        If you don’t have a clue about what ails the opposition and Eritreans in general, I would be disappointed. I believe by now you should be an expert and explain it instead of bouncing it out as if you are a clueless Khewaja:-) Think about it.

        • Peace!

          Hi Saleh,

          ኣይ ንሱ እንድዩ ዘብክየኒ ዘሎ በለት The reason I ask, obviously, was to divert the focus where it should be given the critical developing situation that directly affects my country otherwise why would I ask someone who himself is widely considered part of the problem to give me any valuable clue? I know the answer and I, too, belong to the failed Opposition groups.

          I am afraid though personalizing innocent reactions and setting moral parameters are now becoming the new means to shove critics and intentions regardless. Don’t worry we all share the shortcomings and the consequences. ተለከምና ድኣ ገደደ:)

          Peace!

    • Barolle

      Selam Amanuel H,

      I avoid engaging with you and some other Eritreans in this forum, such as Ismail and Salah to name a few, out of respect and I will continue to show you respect even though I don’t agree with you politically. As should everyone engaging in a discussion, but of course we are only humans.

      How could a leader go to a war in the middle of pandemic and locust infestation in his country? That in itself could tell us the nature of
      his leadership.

      With all due respect, one can easily pick apart your quoted comment.

      How could TPLF attack the NC who protected them in their sleep, as well as hold an election in the middle of an pandemic and locust infestation in their country?

      Furthermore, there are no evidence of full scale Eritrean involvement. I am certain that the damage to Tigray would’ve been substantial had that been the case. The Ethiopian army attacking from the Eritrean border is a possibility. Also, the Eritrean army moving in, to claim what is ours (Badme) by law, is also a possibility.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Barolle,

        Thank you for the respect you exude on the names you mentioned. The respect is mutual. However, that respect should not make you to avoid from engaging with us, agree or disagree for that matter. Now few points to your comment.

        (a) If we are not naive, for what purpose was the central government activating its entire military army, military command, and deploying around and encircling the state of Tigray? The answer for this question will help you as to why the government of Tigray obliged to take preemptive attack on the forces inside Tigray in an attempt to foil and to protect the Tigray people and its government. I can’t say more than this on your first question and I believe it is more than enough.

        The preparation of war against Tigray and its people. Just consider the following episode and remarks in building your point of argument (a) the trip of Abiy to Asmara with his three generals few days before the war (b) the visit of Abiy to the training center of the Eritrean army (c) the visit of Issayas to the military industry of Ethiopia and meeting with the top brass of the Ethiopian military army (d) the reassuring remark of Issayas that he will work with him together to resolve the political crises of Ethiopia, during Abiy’s first visit to Asmara (e) consider Issayas’s remark “we are one people” that could entail the Ethiopian problem is our problem, and hence the need of full engagement of Issayas’s government on the war.

        (b) on the involvement of the Eritrean army: I don’t know what amounts “involvement” on your side, but for me, helping military logistics, commanding the war strategy, and participating in the push from southern part of our border amounts the participation of the Eritrean army. How do I know that through my own sources. You could also do your own homework to reach to similar conclusions. Thank you for your civility and respect. Having different opinion should not by any means cloud our brotherhood and human respect.

        Regard

        • Nitricc

          Hi Aman-H, Let me break my own rule not to engage with digitals. @ that the die hard digital, as you are.

          “we are one people”

          Yes we are one people, we might have different colors and countries buy we all are humans. You can’t even see that. You never said a word about the deportees of Eritreans from Ethiopia, you never said about occupied land of Eritrea, you never mentioned all the thugs they damaged Ethiopia. Dude, just a ticket and free lodge. how could you sell your soul for such junta. well, live in agony and shame because your masters are buried deep under. I can’t imagine the pain you are going through. Pain is the ultimate destinition for people who are sold their souls for air plain ticket.

        • Barolle

          Selam Amanuel H,

          Thank you for your reassuring comments and explaining your take on the situation at hand. I will add my take on it as well.

          (a) If we are not naive, for what purpose was the central government activating its entire military army, military command, and deploying around and encircling the state of Tigray? The answer for this question will help you as to why the government of Tigray obliged to take preemptive attack on the forces inside Tigray in an attempt to foil and to protect the Tigray people and its government. I can’t say more than this on your first question and I believe it is more than enough.

          (a) Let’s imagine the Ethiopian central government was infact encircling the state of Tigray, as you suggested. If true, what is the right course of action in that situation? Attacking the NC was was probably the worst idea of the possible ways to relieve them from their presumed predicament. If TPLF was attacked unprovoked for their illegal election, they would’ve benefited greatly by garnering support worldwide. However, they did everything to turn everyone against them resulting in their demise.

          (b) I have done my homework when it comes to sources. Depending on the persons agenda the information can be skewed to fit ones end-goals, and that of course is something I don’t need to explain to an educated man like yourself. By full scale involvement one would expect military intervention by the Eritrean army in Tigray, which did not happen.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Barolle,

            Though we are not in the same page on the issue at hand, In military wars most of the time preemptive attack against your enemy foils the strategy of your enemy. I can guarantee you, if Abiy didn’t get the military know how of the Eritrean military command, he knows it was unthinkable for him and his local alliance.

            Second, TPLF’s local election is legal according the existing constitution. It is the right of the states to make their election according “their constitutional law and their state law.” Why making an election should be an issue, for that matter? Why should the central government be against the election, of states – to elect their leaders and as such on the scheduled regular cycle of their election. They have a Federal system where the states can not be dictated their election by the central government like a unitary system. Check with their constitution and the rule of law of their election before you call it illegal election. According their constitution neither the prime minister nor the parliament could postpone a regular election. Again check their constitution. You couldn’t bring any article in the document that gives power to either of the two, to postpone an election.

            Third, my source is reliable to me. If you don’t have reliable source, just wait until the dust of the war settle and the effect of the war surface slowly but surely. To the international community, with the advent of modern satellite, they could easily find out if they want.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I am trying hard to understand your argument but it still does not make sense to me, when you say "In military wars most of the time preemptive attack against your enemy foils the strategy of your enemy.". The reason I don’t understand is, how is the Ethiopian federal army considered the enemy of Tigray state.

            So let’s assume you are correct and the Tigray army’s action is preemptive attack to foil “Abiy strategy”.

            I am making the assumption, that you do not agree with the military response, what do you think the right response from the Ethiopian Defense Forces?

            But before you give you response, I want you to consider what a normal federal country would do in such circumstances?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            If you don’t understand what I am talking it is not my fault because you have “a made up mind” that does not give room to different thinking out there.

            1 – You asked: how is the Ethiopian federal army considered the enemy of Tigray state? if someone comes to attack you wether it is from foreign or from domestic, it is your enemy. Very simple.

            2 – You asked: what do you think the right response from the Ethiopian Defense Forces? They shouldn’t be deployed to attack to one state of the union in a nutshell. Imagine if Trump could order to attack one state of union, the US military would have refused to deployed to attack the state. For a political conflict within the Federal states military action is not a solution. What they need is a political remedies. Keep in mind we are talking on the political issues not the implied organization, to avoid partisan sides.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I don’t made up my mind, in fact the opposite. When I learn facts I didn’t know before, I change my mind all the time.

            1. My question was, how is the federal army stationed in Tigray considered an enemy of Tigray. More than 50% of the command including most of the high ranking officers were from Tigray. Are you saying they were there to attack Tigray?

            2) I was taking after the fact, meaning, after TPLF attacked the NC, what do you think the federal government respond should have been?

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Berhe,

            Why do you want us to argue only “after the facts” and why do we separate it from the cause for the fact? War events are always connected from the day it is conceived to the day of its completion. The cycle of wars are explained by the rules of logic of cause and effect, and our debate should follow those rules not only to give sense to our debate but also to bring us to a common understanding.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I don’t have any problem if we want to discuss the whole thing.

            Both points 1 and 2 cover the start until the where we are today.

            You can start with point number 1, which is, what’s evidence that the federal government stationed in Tigray is against TPLF?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            You asked: “ what’s evidence that the federal government stationed in Tigray is against TPLF?”

            The federal government in Tigray is an extension of the central government at Addis. If Abiy mobilized his federal army to attack the Tigray people and their government, the federal forces in Tigray could attack them from inside acting like the “fifth column” during the Spanish civil war. This is a simple logic that doesn’t need further explanation.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I don’t see your logic, but I am ok to leave this discussion. The reason I don’t see your logic is, you say the federal government is “attacking the people of Tigray”, while the TPLF is the one who attacked first and hide behind the people and in Tigray.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; You are going to get him admit his F-up logic and argument. The federal government had no plans to attack TPLF. The Weyane become very agitated and scared when they observe PMAA and PIA visite from Asmara to Addis. Once PMAA visited Sawa and PIA visited The Ethiopian air-force, the thugs wrongly concluded that PMAA and PIA were conspiring against them. the fact was simply PMAA and PIA were playing mind game and not only the thugs bought it but they decided to committed the ultimate suicide.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            Who is dying? Who are losing their properties from the attack of war planes, mortars, and artilleries? Who is displaced exposed in the mountains without shelters? If you believe, it is the Tigray people who are affected by this war, then that is the logic right there, brother. We know how the Eritrean people were affected during the war of liberation by the Ethiopian regimes. It is the same effect on the Tigray people, unless we want to wear a garment of hypocrisy. It is the hate on their government that clogged you to see the logic of the war facts.

            Regards

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Emma,

            Off course the Tigray people are suffering and I don’t know why are you asking the obvious.

            Since you like to use cause and effect, I would say the TPLF action was the cause and hiding within the people, and the war that followed is the effect on the civilians and infrastructure.

            That’s why I don’t think they had any one left within TPLF that thinks this wouldn’t happen.

            Unlike the EPLF and ELF during the time of our liberation, when they saw the Derg was coming armed with the support of Soviet Union, they retreated with all their arms and fighting force fully in tact and met the invading army in the mountains.

            That is what the TPLF should have done.

            They should have retreated fully in tact away from civilians.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanuel
            If there are any infrastructures damaged, it is done by the runaway thugs whom you defend day and night. The federal army could have demolished each and every establishment had it been its objective. No Sir. Things are getting back to normal in Tigray. This is just the beginning!
            Stay tuned.

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            Why such explanation doesn’t hold water is that a year or so ago when part of the NC tried to leave Tigray, most probably, to be stationed in the vicinity of the Ethiopian dam, tplf mobilized women and children to block the way so that it couldn’t leave. The North Command was forced to return to the borders, trying to avoid a worse situation that could have resulted if it confronted those who blocked its way. This is not an army that was there to attack Tigray.
            Be sure, you will hear irrational things to rationalize tplf’s criminal acts.

          • Barolle

            Selam Amanuel H,

            TPLF’s overconfidence in their military might in tandem with poor decisions that lacks logic, or reasoning in the public eye, cost them everything. The preemptive attack on the NC only lead to justification of the war and cemented the Eritrean mistrust in TPLF as conniving backstabbers. Why anyone trusts them with their track record is not something I can fathom. The song Back Stabbers with the O’Jays is a suitable background music when discussing TPLF. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTeLePbB08

            I understand your point and heard the talented woman that sometimes upload videos on falfasas channel a while ago talk about it being an legal election, but somehow she never mentioned the highest form of treason commited by TPLF. Also, a global pandemic that have wreaked havoc around world wasn’t planned when the Ethiopian constitution was written. As such, respecting special rules to enforce order and minimise the risks for Covid-19 transmission under the circumstances makes sense. The ethnic based federal system is what got Ethiopia in the state it is now from being one of the fastest growing economies in the world. It was doomed to fail.

            I have sources too Aman, and so does many who have family and friends in our country. Eritreas patience was outstanding, even though they bombed Asmara with missiles and occupied our land, there were no full-scale military action taken from Eritrea.

          • Hashela

            Selam Barolle

            To my knowledge, Amanuel didn’t lose a word about the recent bombardment of Eritrean cities by TPLF. As long as they are not Tigrayans, from TPLFites’ perspective it seems it is fully legitimate to indiscriminately attack civilians.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            First your lying. Second I have my own way of saying it and I could not sing your song when I have my own song, and I already sung my song. I tried with a metaphor if helps than my straight talk.

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ክቡር ሓው

            Thanks for confirming!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Hashela,

            Nothing I talk to your expected confirmation. ሃለው እንተዘይኢልካ ናብ ኣጻድፍ::

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ሓው

            When the 40 days (starting from November) are over, I would be delighted to debate with you about science and our pure and beautiful Tigrinia which was, like many other things, abused over the last 27 years. I believe we have to do a lot damage repairs

          • Barolle

            Selam Hashela,

            I sadly haven’t seen them strongly condemn TPLF’s actions either. As I said in my earlier posts. I will show certain elders that welcomed me here many years ago courtesy and respect. So, I will respectfully refrain from pointing fingers, but I am very disappointed.

            The ethno-fascistic ideology of TPLF, as you put it, is multifaceted and expected by master deceivers.

          • Hashela

            Selam Barolle

            Speaking of multi-faceted, here is a graphic depiction of the multi-faceted product of a single egg.

            It didn’t escape my attention that Eastern was several months ago. since the Eastern Bunny is in the high mountain and its well being is uncertain, we have to deal the egg she left.

            https://twitter.com/Meror37887411/status/1331234747432005635/photo/1

          • Barolle

            Selam Hashela,

            Hahaha… :D. That peace of art said it all.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Barolle,

            You made it sound that I am defending the TPLF, when I try to avoid to argue on the organization. I was arguing on the point of argument (a) on the legality of the election which you mention in your argument (b) on the necessity of preemptive attack to your enemy when you are surrounded by your enemy. Debating on issues and causes that brought to a war is different than debating on the behavior of organizations (in this case PP and TPLF). I always prefer the former than later. Because the former is on ideas and the later on organizations and personalities.

            You have said: “a global pandemic that have wreaked havoc around world wasn’t planned when the Ethiopian constitution was written. As such, respecting special rules to enforce order and minimise the risks for Covid-19 transmission under the circumstances makes sense.”

            Brother, there are no “planned emergencies” that a constitution can take into consideration when it is written. But it is understood in the process of life some unforeseen horrible events could happen. So the constitution could envision that in the advent of difficult circumstances how regular political process could be processed and who from the constitutional structure will have the power to do it. Usually the legislative body is given the legal mandate of that authority.

            But for the sake of argument there is no a single country that postpone its election due to pandemic other than Ethiopia. All countries that I know which coincides their regular election in this pandemic plague have conducted their election, so does the Tigrian people. Again to ask you: why is making an election and as such on its regular time is sin, unless we have the tendency of undemocratic behavior? Since when has an election on it regular date become a sin? What I know a political sin attributed to leaders who don’t allow elections and who postponed elections for their own interest. Making an election in Ethiopia should not be an issue as far the states made their election on their regular election date. In constitutional politics you don’t do on what it makes sense, but rather you follow the rule of law that governs elections. But…but, it became all partisan arguments that we can not even talk on the legality of issues. I think we had enough on the subject, thank you for your civilized engagement.

            Regards

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Barolle,
        By all means, dear brother. The respect is reciprocated with due humility. Furthermore, and as Amanuel noted before me, you should never restrain yourself from expressing opinion due to humbleness towards others. What is needed civility and decency in saying or writing anything be that in agreement or in discordance.

        • Barolle

          Selam Ismail AA,

          Yes, you’re right. It is the “respecting ones elders” that plays a part in my avoidance. But, as you said, I will express myself with decency.

          Thank you!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Barolle,
            Once more, I thank you. By the way, a couple in this forum were wondering why you changed your engagement name from Lebam to Barolle. I thought the name Barolle is equally fitting in meaning and essence in the culture of one of our communities. I am assuming with due permission, you might be A. Barolle whom I know through his contributions at least from around 2003. Forgive me if I went too far.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Ismail,
            I am sure Barrolle knows the Italian word parole. I think he is equipped with so many paroles to say it here.

          • Barolle

            Selam Ismail AA,

            No, I am actually not that person. I have not been involved in anything related to Eritrean politics prior to the Awate website.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Barolle,
            Thank so much. Sorry for my curiosity.

      • Selam Barolle,

        When they couldn’t provide a single Eritrean soldier, tplf and its digital woyane resorted to saying that wounded Eritrean soldiers were shot dead in the battlefield, because the government of Eritrea didn’t want them to return to the country wounded, so that foreign journalists will not know that Eritrea is participating in the war. The extent of their lies has no limits, similar to their treasonous acts.

        • Barolle

          Selam Horizon,

          They had what I suspect were TPLF soldiers acting to be Eritrean soldiers as well.

  • Consolation

    Selamat All,

    I am having a hard time to understand who the AT think they are fooling with this article that asserts that the conflict is just a continuation of Ethiopia’s 800 year history of wars. Framing it in this light as just a manifestation of old habits is clearly designed to gloss over and obscure the role of the TPLF. Over the past 30 years, the destructive ethnic policies of the TPLF have created an incendiary situation where conflicts have become the norm. The TPLF’s intransigent and belligerent policies over the past two and half years had made it clear to any observer that a conflict between the Federal government and the TPLF was inevitable. But what sparked the current conflict is a deliberate and treacherous action taken by the TPLF on the Northern Command (NC). As one of its spokespeople gleefully revealed, the TPLF conducted a lightening preemptive strike that “demobilized” (he meant immobilized) the NC. The NC had over 80% of Ethiopia’s heavy weaponry and manpower. The immediate plan, as Abiy revealed, was to march to Gondar and Weldiya. In the calculation of the TPLF, with 80% of the Ethiopian forced immobilized, they would have achieved their goal to take power in Addis Ababa. It is this aspect of the conlict that the TPLF supporters, and there is no doubt that AT is a member of that set, don’t want you to contemplate.

    It is rather very telling the only context in which the TPLF is mentioned is in its (TPLF’s) failure to provide evidence of the alleged Eritrean involvement. They are, in fact, dejected at the TPLF for not implicating Eritrea.

    Providing an evidence for the claim by the Government of Tigray shouldn’t be this difficult. In a time when cellphones are abundantly available, is mindboggling no evidence was presented to support the claim. True, telecommunications are disrupted, there is no power supply and myriad of other excuse however serious that might be. How can the TPLF with its formidable apparatus be so disabled to the extent that it cannot smuggle a single memory disk outside of Tigray? How difficult could it be for someone to carry a flush-drive from the hinterland, via Raya to Dessie, or via Humera to Gonder?

    Why is it so hard for the Awate team to conclude that one can’t provide evidence if it doesn’t exist.

  • Selam All,

    How easy when the news is purposefully distorted and at the same time one is ready to accuse the Ethiopian news outlets for fake news. It doesn’t need to be a genius to see that no human being could have said that he wouldn’t feel the loss of forty thousand Ethiopians, because Ethiopians are 110M people, or the refugees are insignificant and they are dispensable.

    The Ethiopian PM was asked the same question some days ago. His response was that the government had successfully solved the problem of millions of internally displaced Ethiopians, and that forty thousand refugees will be an easy job.

    Expecting the Ethiopian official to remain in office after saying this outrageous thing is simply impossible. If it is one’s imagination or purposeful interpretation of what was said to taint the reputation of Ethiopians, there is nothing one can say or do about it. It has become everyday business for some. I hope the writer gives us the link.

  • Abi

    Hello All
    It is a sad day to see Team Awate relegated to የመንደር ወሬኞች in a last ditch effort to show solidarity with the dead ድምፀ ወያኔ::

    • Kokhob Selam

      Hi Abo,

      Not at all,,You are part of this site too, You are talking all and you are free. Do you note the freedom you are having/? Can i talk, like you on those pro government sites? I think this the best reconciliation site in the entire Africa. I am sure every one who read the above comment will be disappointed,,

      KS,,

      • Aligaz G

        KS,

        Ok let’s discuss the article. First – do Ethiopian(s) love their country? What an assinine question. Second – we like to talk about 3000+ years of history not 800 lol. Third – TPLF is dead and gone. Fact.

        Kokobe it’s clear your infatuation with the dead enders is completely irrational. I hope you are not still hoping Sibhat et al will somehow rise from the grave and take you down Asmera Godana Harnet in one of their tanks. Brother I think you’d better stop daydreaming and face reality because that dream is long gone.