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Eritrean Refugees: Fifty Years of Injustice

The Eritrean refugee’s story is a difficult one to tell. Eritrean refugees in the Sudan made history twenty years ago, by becoming the longest stayed displaced refugees in the world. The length of time, the relatively friendly atmosphere accorded to most refugees by the Sudanese government and people, and the similarity between the Sudanese and most of the earlier Eritrean refugees, artificially camouflages the signs of their plight, effectively.

Although Sudan was already well accustomed to thousands of social refugees from Ethiopia and Eritrea for a long time, the first officially recognized Eritrean political refugees arrived there in 1967.

At least, until 1991 when Eritrean independence was but assured, most of the refugees in the Sudan had the never dimming gleam of hope about someday returning home and living the rest of their lives with dignity. For a fraction of them that dream came true. For the great majority however, that hope started to turn into a nightmare starting in 1993.

This article is by no means a detailed account of Eritrean refugees in the Sudan but, if anything at all, it should only be viewed as a mere supplement to Saleh G. Johar’s article “Eritrean Refugees In Sudan: 50 Years And Counting.”

As of 1991, it was widely believed that there were approximately 750,000 Eritrean refugees all over the world. The UNHCR, The Sudan, and Eritrea all agree that around 500,000 of those were in the Sudan.

Since 1991, thousands of Eritreans, euphoric with the much anticipated and just acquired independence started to head back home.

By 1993, rumors of voluntary repatriation had begun to spread, and Mr. Elkhatim, a Sudanese representative at the UNHCR’s refugee program general debate of 1993, warned the attendants how seriously exaggerated the rumor was and to not be swayed by it nor stop financing the refugee camps.

In the meantime several misunderstandings between Sudanese and Eritrean governments regarding methods, organization, and timing of the repatriation program were festering and in 1994 they began to exchange war of words in the open.

The UNHCR, although caught in the middle, had several projects related to the refugees underway, both in the Sudan and Eritrea, both of whom kept reporting, and thus asking it to consider their respective reports more in its budgeting scheme. While the Sudanese government insisted that only a small fraction of refugees have returned and the great majority were still in the Sudan, the Eritrean government equally insisted that it was overwhelmed by the sheer number of returnees.

Failing to secure a tripartite agreement between itself, UNHCR, and Eritrea, when the latter refused to sign the agreement, Sudan and UNHCR signed an agreement on the methods and timing of the repatriation program they both devised.

Although over a hundred thousand were planned to be repatriated in early-mid 1990s, only 25,000 were repatriated under a pilot program conducted between November 1994 and May 1995.

Citing the “various political and technical problems”, and differences between the Governments of Eritrea and Sudan, UNHCR stated that the organized repatriation was stalled.

Along with the joint effort by the Sudan and UNHCR to repatriate a portion of refugees as a pilot program, there were thousands of enthusiastic Eritreans already repatriating themselves mostly in the Gash-Setit sub-region such as those who established the now vibrant town of Alebu.

The successes of some of these voluntary returnees are important to, at least partially gauge, the Eritrean government’s state of mind at the time. In fact, one has to assume that perhaps, these types of successes may have encouraged it to insist on voluntary repatriation instead of what Sudan and UNHCR were proposing at the time.

In the advent of the Eritrea-Sudan diplomatic breakdown, Sudan reported distress by the number of potential returnees who were demanding a security guarantee from it and the UNHCR before they were shipped back to Eritrea, perhaps by those uncertain about their fate once they returned; according to the Sudanese government, they were the great majority of the refugees at the time.

Sudan proposed a well-organized and timely repatriation program. It got UNHCR’s cooperation but not Eritrea’s, which demanded a voluntary repatriation only, citing several reasons including the need for new infrastructures, health, and other safety issues. It received UNHCR’s cooperation in most cases but not Sudan’s who by then was accusing Eritrea of playing delaying tactics.

Toward the end of 1995, Eritrea was entangled in a clash with Yemen over ownership of a few islands and marine border line.

The repatriation war of words intensified farther and Eritrea accused Sudan of abusing the refugees while it accused Eritrea of “squandering its meager resource on war adventure” instead of taking care of the long-awaited repatriation program.

Between early 1996 to the end of 1997, the number of volunteer returnees began to dwindle while at the same time the number of repeat refugees (repatriated and later then becoming refugees again) began with an increased pace. 1996 and 1997 virtually passed with Sudan complaining about the damage it was sustaining from refugee influx while Eritrea kept tightening the screening process with “security reasons” now added to its earlier capacity related reasons.

However, even with those tight scrutiny and delays, the Eritrean government claimed that between 1991 and 1998 it had repatriated nearly 200,000 returnees.

In addition, in 1998 the Sudan, UNHCR, and Eritrea had finally agreed to resume the repatriation program, starting in May of 2000, it was again shelved due to the Ethio-Eritrean border war of 1998-2000.

Though the demands of repatriation cannot be underestimated, Eritreans seem to be divided on the question of whether the government used the “voluntary repatriation” scheme to filter out those it perceived as its “enemies”, or whether it was indeed too overwhelmed as it claimed and it had done everything it could with the resources it had.

True or not, the fact that EPLF’s inception had some “religious” connotation to it, and it militarily removed the ELF from Eritrea, and of course, the PFDJ’s subsequent behaviors, such as refusing to allow the remains of its old rivals who die in exile to return to Eritrea, suggests a possibility that it is purposely blocking or delaying the refugee repatriation program. In addition, at the time it was an organization that just come out after decades long war, with a new nation already devastated by wars, with almost insignificant infrastructure, and overwhelmed by tens of thousands of refugees, among other crisis. It is equally plausible that regardless of how much it may have wanted to repatriate all the refugees, it may have been unable to do so.

References and further reading:

  1. General debate at the forty fourth session of the Executive Committee, The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
  2. UNHCR Global Appeal 1999 – Eritrea
  3. UN General Assembly, Summary Record of the 511th Meeting
  4. The State of The World’s Refugees 1997: A Humanitarian Agenda
  5. Getting Home is Only Half the Challenge: Refugee Reintegration in War-Ravaged Eritrea
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  • Blue Asmara

    Salam All. If commenters on this website are indeed the bulk of the opposition force, all I can say is shame on you! Derg babies here along with grandparents and Great grandparents of historic pre-shabia fronts (and a few misguided grandchildren in between) are simply a joke and are a USA senior citizens waste of time. One could easily mistaken commenters here for an EthiopiaLove teanagers league in heat that are either students, unemployed or working at a night time parking lot. You add or propose absolutely nothing in terms of possible solutions to remedy the the rogue dictatorship in Eritrea. We need innovative thoughts and solutions and not dogmatic single themed ‘let’s overthrow Isias’ hypocritical sactosync BS. You simply fake your concern about the plight of Eritreans that continue to suffer. Worst, you support the T-TPLF and their illegal occupation of Eritrea which causes a lot of traumatic stress on vulnerable Eritreans. You pretend to be the ‘answer’ or ‘solution’ when you are in fact the problem or the main supporter of the problem creator.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Blue: I do understand your point but considering what is going in our region, we are not that bad in shape. I do like the way PIA is going, it is the right path. What is missing and what is wrong is the issue of the prisoners. I think it is time to set them free and continue to build a sound political ground for the incoming generation and then after. Regarding the commenters in this forum, well, please excuse them. They want to go home so badly; they are doing what they can to end PIA’s rule. at times, their wish is turned in to day dreaming and they say things so out of line and ridiculous. i always advice them to make their peace with PFDJ and go home because there is no short cut to end PIA’s rule. He is in, he will be there, till the end. They tried to kill him many times through gossip and wishful thinking but PIA looks batter than ever. So, there is other alternative, let PIA ride its course and let him finish. He didn’t molested our constitution, the constitution is safe and sound. We don’t have the culture and history of rigged elections. He could have easily implement the constitution and shred it to pieces, he could have called for election and rigged to the bone and stay in power for ever, but he didn’t. i give him a credit for not setting the corrupted way of holding elections and implementing constitutions. PIA gave us the chance for us to do it the right way and we will!!
      All we have to do in the mean time is, stay positive, acknowldge and give credit the good thing that is going in Eritrea while criticizing the wrong thing that are done in the country. for instance, in my mind, there is no a single reason why the G-15, what ever number are still alive to keep them in jail. that goes for everyone who is in person. that is just wrong. So, my friend Blue, stay in the course and let’s think and act the best interest of the nation first!!!
      Eritrea will prevail, if she hasn’t already.

      • Abraham H.

        Selam Nitricc, “He didn’t molested our constitution, the constitution is safe and sound”, which constitution? is there any other constitution than the one your god Isayas declared a stillborn document three yrs ago? Are the reps of the pfdj lecturing you the ypfdjistas about some constitution that we others don’t know of?

        • Nitricc

          Hi Abraham; you are toooo slow to get things and to understand my point. you see I told you about the people in UK.

          • Abraham H.

            Nitricc, what you said about the UK is called stereotyping, but since you are such a stupid dump one, you consider that a knowledge.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abraham I was referring to you. lol you are slower that I thought, what a slow creature. you can’t even figure that out. lol

          • Abraham H.

            Nitricc, you said you told me about the people in UK, and I told you what you said was stereotyping, not a knowledge, wow, ane yigedid mis hade halay zizareb! You are the perfect example of a nuthead!

      • Paulos

        Nitrikay,

        I didn’t know Isaias was Constitution molester. That sure is original on your part. That said, I say, one of the lethal blunders of G-15 was that, they took Isaias for a Kitten and they got cute with him when he in fact is a deranged Tiger. I see you having a visual illusion about him as well.

        • Abraham H.

          Hi Paulos, they calculated wrong,; now that they were among their people, probably they thought the people would come to their rescue. But, unfortunately, the people were never empowered to do so; and for this to happen they had played their share.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abraham,

            They knew Isaias since forever that he was ruthless with unhinged cruelty. And to expect him to change is utter stupidity. More over, they were betrayed by the Eritrean people as well for they were confident that the people will have their backs. It was sad and unfortunate.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Paulos, no doubt they knew the cruelty of Isayas from the field. But I think they had some hope about the process of democratization process considering there was a ratified constitution and the fact that they were actually debating in the pfdj central council about the implementation process and elections. There were even committees that worked on party formation law and election law. Plus they did not expect Isayas would dare repeat what he was used to in the field in front of the Eritrean people.

        • Nitricc

          Hey P: illusion? I don’t think so. take this, think of Uganda’s leader, think Zimbabwe’s leader, think Sudan’s leader, think Ethiopia’s situation, think Rwanda’s leader; what do they have in common, they all implemented fake constitution and gave their power legitimacy so they can rule forever and ever. If so, why not PIA do the same thing and stay in power without all the headaches and abuses he is going through? It is very easy for PIA to hold an election and rigge it, implement the constitution, trash it and stay in power for life. He could have done that but he didn’t. He understands the price that was paid to get the nation. He respects the intelligence of the Eritrean people. if you need the example of fake constitution and molesting it is look no further than Ethiopia’s Muslims. all they asked the government is to respect the constitution and the government to follow it through. Not only their constitutional rights are ignored but they are suffering in jail. PIA knows where to go and no one is going to stand in front of him. He has survived every imaginable obstacles and he is turning the corner for the better. Again, a great leader is the one who takes its people and country where they ought to be not necessarily where they want to be. of course, he does some bone headed actions, like holding people without due process but generally he is on the right path.

          • Hi Nitricc,
            The following are your main points,
            ” he (pia) will be there, till the end,
            let him ride his course and let him finish,
            the constitution is safe and sound,
            i give him a credit for not setting the corrupted way of holding elections,
            PIA gave us the chance to do it the right way and we will,
            give credit the good thing that is going in Eritrea,
            no a single reason why the G-15, what ever number are still alive to keep them in jail,
            He respects the intelligence of the Eritrean people. if you need the example of fake constitution and molesting it, no one is going to stand in front of him, and
            a great leader is the one who takes its people and country where they ought to be not necessarily where they want to be”.

            Wow! what would be the feeling of eritreans (mainly the opposition) is not difficult to imagine when they read these points you brought. what would the finale look like if dia remains in power and rides the course till the end, is also easy for everybody to see. the last 25 yrs have shown so many things that one needs not to be a saint to prophesize the future unless change comes to eritrea. a constitution that is shelved is of course safe and sound, but it is a dead constitution. it is not even as near to the half-baked tplf/eprdf constitution that gives a day in court and some people are released through court processes. elections carried out by tplf/eprdf could be fake, nevertheless, ethiopians were not told with contempt to go to the moon or wait another forty years if they want elections, fake or genuine. is this what you call, respect for the intelligence of eritreans?

            It is really scary when you say, do not touch dia and let him finish what he has started, dia is showing you the right way to do things the right way, and that eritreans are going where they ought to be and not where they want to be. you support all these with all your power and conviction, because you believe that big brother knows best and he is watching.

            your only beef with the regime is the g-15, who are now old and frail, and many of them dead. they are no more posing any danger to the regime. why give food for the opposition by keeping them in prison?

            if one takes your position as the position of the pfdj, which it is, then those who expect change after the death of dia, let alone during his lifetime, are going to face a big disappointment. pfdj supporters seem to suffer from tunnel vision, and the world around them is simply non-existent, as much as they are concerned. in addition, they have their own alternative facts and reality, and they are proud for it.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Horizon, this guy’s ideas, if he really has any ideas, they are worse than what a declared enemy of the Eritrean people could espouse. I’m deadly sure this spoiled brat has never set a foot in Eritrean soil let alone to have a faint idea about Eritrean people.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            You haven’t been playing attention lately or may be never.
            Nitricc has already told you that he was born in the USA and has never been to Eritrea. Never.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Abi, I had actually guessed that before; I couldn’t even imagine this spoiled brat could endure a fraction of what those of his age or even much younger are going through under his god Isayas in Eritrea.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            Those who go back home frequently are the worst. They got no shame at all when they tell you everything is going great in Eritrea.
            I don’t blame Nitricc. He has no physical or emotional connection to the country he is talking about. Just hot air.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Abi, they tell you it is fine and dandy, but in their homes they speak the truth. They are outright malicious people.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            I call them zombies.

          • Abraham H.

            Abi, I agree, nsu keman ente wehadom.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            You forgot to delegate somebody for translation purposes.

          • Abraham H.

            Hello Abi, well I thought you knew whom to ask:), anyhow I wanted to say even calling them zombies is understatement.

          • Abi

            Hi Abraham
            It is getting late and I got better things to ask. Besides, you don’t mention scary things at night.

            I’ve been calling them zombies for a very long time.

          • sara

            selam Ato Abi
            i think you know i am the only here who agrees 100%/100% about your stand on the eritrean
            ethiopian future relations— don’t you think it will be reasonable to also agree about building a
            WALL.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sara,

            Do you think our relationship with Sudan should also be the same. That we should build a wall as WALL.

            Berhe

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Berhe Y. Last time I checked Sudan was not illegally occupying Eritrean land.

          • sara

            Dear brrhe
            Did you read any history book there was an invasion from Sudan , was there any war between eritreans and Sudan? NO

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Sara,
            There were many battles. Read about the derawish attacks and Lao 1995-2000 where many died from both sides all the way from merafit to dogan to hameshkoreb.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Sara,

            The other day if I am not mistaken, you said there is no difference between eastern Sudan and western Eritrea, which I believe is the case.

            Suppose Isayas stars a war, will you suggest a wall to separate the two people?

            FYI, Sudan had a war with Ethiopia and with S. Sudan and Egypt.

            In other words, I don’t think having a war (by self appointed leaders) is good reason to separate the people.

            Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat sara shukor,

            The Sudanese people are wonderful people. So are Eritreans, so are Ethiopians, and everyone else. The problem has always been “meraHtina.” Please sara, I like you too much to sit back and laugh or cry at some of the things you say. Unrealistic love and unrealistic hate both ruin.

            Peace is a lot cheaper than a 1000km long fence.

          • Abraham H.

            Sara, mid 90’s when Turabi was under control of Sudan, when Sudan was hosting Osama bin laden, I vividly remember the Sudan had declared war boasting of arming a million army to crush Eritrea. Actually there were some serious battles fought between Eritrean and Sudan around Karora, where it was rumoured heavy casualties on the Eritrean side.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Horizon: why can’t you answer the question I have asked before you go anywhere. I ask Why is that PIA won’t do what Sudan, Uganda, Rwandan and Ethiopian leaders have done to stay in power by implementing fake constitution and rigged election? Why? give me your take and I will give you the rest. I am asking this because the answer to the question is the answer to who is PIA and his visions.

          • Thomas

            Hi NItricc,

            That is why most of us here know that you are clueless about Eritrea or Eritreans. “Why is that PIA won’t do what Sudan, Uganda, Rwandan and Ethiopian leaders have done to stay in power by implementing fake constitution and rigged election?”

            Sudan, Uganda, Rwandan and Ethiopia never paid over 65K (pre-independence) and 19K (post independence badme war) and to come as a fresh country in year 1991. After paying enormous lives and the resources of our country burnt in to ashes, we thought we finally gain freedom and have a country of law with a constitutional government working for the people who suffered for ever.

          • Hi Nitricc,
            I think that i have given you somehow the answer to your question. DIA has contempt for everybody and everything in eritrea. He feels that he has cowed the people to such an extent that nobody would dare demand a constitution and elections, fake or genuine. He has the audacity and the arrogance to tell the people in their face to go to another planet, if they want the above. DIA has nothing to fear, not internal opposition or uprising. Eritrea and its people are his property, and feels no obligation to ask for their vote to come and stay in power, even for the sake of a fake legality. He knows that eritreans are not his problem, for he can crush any opposition anytime. In this 21st century, and in this age of enlightenment and world wide information flow, dia has the audacity to say, l’etat c’est moi, i am the constitution, the law of the land and eritrea and its people are my property, similar to what a 17th century emperor would have said. Worse is the fact that there are people who condone his lunacy.

            Take tplf and the eprdf, they have to resort to force to stay in power even with their constitution and rigged elections, because people are not easily intimidated and they do not accept without complaint and counter reaction, what the ethiopian government is tryimg to shove down their throat. Who is afraid of the people and who is not is the main point. DIA has no reason to fear for his power, and feels no obligation to give eritreans even what you call fake constitution and rigged elections, and he knows that he can take whatever he wants anytime, and nobody will dare to complain. As you said, the engine is dia, and the people will go anywhere he likes and do anything he wants, which is a very sad situation.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Horizon, the state of affairs of Eritreans could not be described better than how you did it. Indeed Isayas feels he is entitled to rule Eritrea until his death. Alas!, only if the one you are trying to explain to had some brain cells left in him to understand so basic stuff.

        • Thomas

          Hi Paulos,

          Would it be safe to do what ministers like Sebhat Efrem is doing? Just agree to everything like the current ministers are doing and come to the meeting node their heads with agreement and go to their homes safely. The G15 was very courages to call DIA for a meeting and when he refused they made their disappoint with him clear to Eritrean people. At that period of time, no one could have suggested to topple DIA by a violent means. What else could they have done at that point time? Let alone that time, the operation of wedi Ali did not bear fruites and imagine this is after almost each of us identified DIA and his cronies as a criminals.

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Blue, from your other messages I gathered you’ve a medical training of some sort. Could you enlighten us how one would diagnose someone as a ‘derg baby’ based on an online chat forum?

      • GitSAtSE

        Selamat Blue Asmara and AbrahamH,

        This is indeed the necessary tone ingredient that was missed from your voice. Credit to your personal attained through your empirical journey, as exhibited on your debuted runway for the purpose of introducing a New Model. AbrahamH is right for we have come to learn from yours and Fanti Ghana’s field specific dialogue particularly our Eritrean Refugees post 1967 solution as brought forth as a paramount weight of responsibility for us all by Saleh Johar’s Chapter 15 from his book Miriam Was Here.
        Credit also for those amongst us, as you are now correctly stating to be as the majority in the forum conversants, for their reactionary constant suppressing vital contributors for the “RELIEVED” States we collectively are in pursuit towards. Surely, you will give weighted of the numerous variables that affects us all of the causes to marginalize or through our efforts to resist CHANGE. The fear of the New or Paradigm Shift on a daily basis.


        Elites: Nurture or Nature?
        First, allow me to serve you Blue Asmara and Fanti Ghana the First Finjal from Awelenn that our gracious Abrehet Yosief has perculated for all. AbrahetAm Jebena, with theirs reserved shall reach the gathering within the reach of the AArkobkobay lakHa based electro-magnetic powers that pulls back towards the RedRock Earth.
        The anecdotal here is for Mr. Amde X (Smell the Java 10 and place your check mark when appropriate, per The Hungry Hippopotamus–farming and fishing on our Crimea) and netSitSe Acciddo Nitricay KindishiH:
        X + 7 = X*10*X=ShiH.
        XXX=101010
        1. Hungry Hippo 789 reduction to Seven. 7 devoured Nine. SEVEN.
        2. The Elite One will ask the where did the missing 9 vanish to in the NiHnan KINdanan KINdfrQuinan, KINdirbEinann KndiShiHn with 360° panoramic or 2π.
        2(360) + 180 + 90 + KINdishiH = 991?

        Oh Sire PillarX, I submit to your court SEVEN of Saay7 Liberation Front is hosting the Peanut Butter for the CREAM.
        Bartender, we are not fresh out SAAYs THE ONE.
        tSAtSE

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam GitSAtSE,
          Don’t foregt to serve qursi with the awel bun. 3.14159 kitcha enough for all.

          • Abi

            Hi Abrehet
            Since when you guys start eating pies?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Hi Abi,
            Since we lost contact with “gogo”.

        • GitSAtSE

          Selamat Abrehet Yosief,

          Weiny doU zAAselet abb Himbasha kbleki
          Angalit nsikHi Brhan Hanti KINdi Kilte nShiH sesenti sesinu
          Walta Abrehet kunulna.
          2(Seleste neTbi ketSali mikilittttttt) 2π kitcHa!!!
          The single string Cellist abti Qelay BaHri Hambese zbelAei gogo kitcHa zrogode Hambasit Himbasha…
          ChirawaTTa Eidme ‘bahalalo ewe
          tSAtSE

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello tSAtSE,

          NiHnan KINdanan KINdfrQuinan…nAkha wesikhnan = 100 is 36.

          My greatest achievement of all time! All this time, I thought I was the only one who knew this stuff. What a shame!

          • GitSAtSE

            Fanti,
            Oh gentle hypo!

            I will get back to you. Logistics inventory processing.
            1 percenters Vs. 99 Percenters.
            360 for the Grand that you and The Tokhrir on the River Banks of Tekeze.

            tSAtSE

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam Abraham and hopes that this just another manic Monday passes well for you. Derg Baby = A baby born in Eritrea from at least one parent that was a member of the Coordinating Committee of the Armed Forces, Police, and/or Territorial Army that occupied Eritrea from 1974 to 1991.

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Selam Blue Asmara,
          How is it that you label some as Derg Babies hence not fully Eritrean and yet you answered Paulos that you don’t give a hoot about genealogy of Isayas Afwerki as it has nothing to do with his citizenship. Why can’t you focus on the ideas they present without referring to whom they were born to.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abrehet Yosief and thanks for your comment. As I have said, people sometimes have hard choices to make and to live by. In regards to Derg babies, they could chosen to be Eritrean or Ethiopian as they were born on Eritrean soil; being a Derg baby does not make a person bad. Even in the U.S. during the Civil War, people were largely forced to choose side. Problem with many Derg babies is that they do not respect Eritrea as a sovereign independent state .

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Blue Asmara,
            By stating “many Derg babies” and not “all Derg babies” you are accepting that some of those “babies” are serving in Eritrea and thus quite capable of accepting and defending Eritrea as a sovereign state. And you are claiming that you are able to discern which comments are made by some of those babies that don’t respect Eritrea as a state. Beyond belief. In any case since, you lumped them with everyone else, “Derg babies here along with grandparents and Great grandparents of historic pre-shabia fronts (and a few misguided grandchildren in between)” why bother labeling them. Why not stick to addressing the opinions expressed without labeling anyone.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Abrehet Yosief and thanks for your comments. Context means everything and in relation to discussions on this board, yes I am lumping Derg babies into the Ethiopian onslaught that does not respect Eritrean sovereignty nor does it wish to engage in discussions on Ethiopia’s continued illegal occupation of Badme. Funny, I don’t see commenters here becoming so sensitive when people often try to lump Ghedli into one across-the-board group of bad people.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Blue, I didn’t ask you to define for me what you mean by ‘derg baby’; I asked, how do you know whether someone is ‘derg baby’, ‘Eritrea baby’, ‘Ethiopia baby’, ‘USA baby’, ‘pfdj baby’, ‘weyane baby’, etc, from an online chat room? Of course unless you’ve some supernatural power? Just as Abrehet has told you, better for you to focus on substance than fantasizing about who is form where.

          • Blue Asmara

            Thanks Abraham H for your question. Please see my response to Abrehet on a similar question. Context is everything. Why do you not get as sensitive when posters here frequently lump all people associated with Ghedli into one bad grouping?

    • Amde

      Selam Blue Asmara,

      How is browbeating Weyane on Badme = “… remedying the rogue dictatorship in Ethiopia…”?

      Have thee a mirror good sir.

      Amde

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam Amde and thanks for your comment. You are saying ‘rogue dictatorship in Ethiopia…”? Did you mean to say Eritrea? Anyways’ Eritreans certainly did not make a mistake for claiming and fighting for their land, identity and independence. Problem was that they have been robbed by the UN and Ethiopia in that Ethiopia continues to illegally occupy Badme.

        • Amde

          Selam Blue,

          Yes I meant to say Eritrea, i.e. quote you accurately which apparently I failed at.

          You know quite well what I meant. Badme =/= Rogue Regime.

          Anyway,

          ይመችህ።

          Amde

    • Abraham H.

      Blue Asmara, I would say it is Isayas and his pfdj that are causing those ‘lots of traumatic stress on vulnerable Eritreans’ not the border issue. Hence let’s remove first the main cause of suffering and we would deal later on with the border issue. It is about priority.

      • Blue Asmara

        Salam Abraham H and thanks for your comments. Maybe PIA is the major culprit but he is not the sole reason that Eritrea and Eritreans are suffering; that is effervescently clear. Illegal/unfair U.N. sanctions and Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Eritrean land certainly exacerbate the situation. And, who is to say that what comes after PIA will be any better? An abrupt change of power in Eritrea could be potentially disastrous. There is a reason why major opposition groups have failed over the years in their single-themed ‘Let’s throw Isaias out of Power’ strategy.

        • sara

          selam Blue Asmara,
          what do you think will be the cost to build a WALL on our southern border? this days every one is doing it in-order to secure their borders from different type of intruders, why not us!

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Sara and thanks for the question. My feelings are that diplomatic channels, to resolve issues between Ethiopia and Eritrea, are currently are not being actively pursued as most in opposition camps are simply happy to sit back and await PIA’s time to pass. Personally, I believe that something as draconian as a physical wall should not be contemplated until all diplomatic efforts have been exhausted. In any case, how can you build a wall to protect your border while your country is under illegal occupation? Not to mentions cost which Eritrea could not realistically cover.

          • sara

            selam Blue Asmara
            well, you see we are fed up “GRFNNA” with this issue, it has been more than a decade since the EEBC and nothing is on the horizon, and even if this issue is resolved we will always be under threat from the south….history is full this…eritrea and eritreans never had
            rested from from getting bogged by one and other invaders… i know we need to have peaceful coexistence with our southern neighbor and have relations but looking to the past its
            there is no guarantee there will not be invasions…therefore its about time to think about building a WALL.

          • Blue Asmara

            Salam Sara and your are indeed correct that Eritrea may always be under threat from the south. Most here simply do not wish to talk of the 11 Ethiopian military incursions on Eritrean land that have occurred over the past few years; it is extreme provocation.

          • sara

            selam Blue Asmara
            I heard one of the greatest wonders of the world is the great wall of china, don’t you think the chines had a good reason to build such a wall it became this much famous.why not great wall of eritrea!
            infact for eritrea to build a wall will not be that expensive our country is rich in special stones that could with stand any adverse weather for thousands of years.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam sara and Blue Asmara

            Building a strong wall starts with forging a strong relation/alliance with our northern neighbors. And that is the only sure way to stop the bleeding.

            Semere Tesfai

      • sara

        selam Abraha
        you are putting the cart before the horse, the border thing is priority for most Eritreans —abraha.

        • Abraham H.

          Hello sara, even the mafia pfdj have stopped talking about the border issue. They only raise it as a lip service now and then. It is what we call kweyeka bmanka k’zhleka b’idka. Our border has been clearly demarcated on the map with clear coordinates, what is left of it we can do once we get our country back from the isayas junta.

  • said

    Greeting
    The Story of Fatima: refugees whose plight and displacements were never of their doings as amply clear to every body. Just felt opportune to share these one stories out of possibly many tens of thousands to highlight the humanitarian tragedies of these coarsely displaced
    The accompanying military operations at the time of the Ethiopian army would not affect the civilian population and not cause them any harm as far they remain peaceful indoors and not venture outside their homes; Fatemah, 47 years old mother managing a household, thought to herself observing that rule. However, after the passage of three days of curfew, Fatima had to break that rule and ventured outside the house in search of food to feed her three grown up girls and a hardworking husband.
    Right before the start of the Ethiopian army hostilities resembling an internecine war that ravaged Eritrea ever since the colonization and invasion, Fatima, born and raised in in lowland not far from Aqradat, thought she and her family had a relatively settled life. A husband, a skilled carpenter had a steady job that provided comfortably for the family. The husband never entertained starting a carpentry workshop of his own figuring that having no son of his own he had no motivation to start one since he had no male offspring to attend to the workshop at his old age and provide for the family when the father retires and after he dies. His three grown up daughters: Zainab, 23-years old, Khartoum university graduate in history from who is a school grade 6 teacher; Nadia, twenty years old in her second year at university specializing in English literature Khartoum , and a third daughter, Jamilah, 15 years old was still a student in high school at the time of the Ethiopian army bombardment . Zainab and Nadia after finishing university returned to Eritrea to settle down , Typical of all Eritrean chauvinistic men, Fatima related how her husband blamed her all the time for not bearing him a son. “He was a good man, nevertheless, who endeavored to give us a comfortable life,” Fatima admits. . Suddenly, what seemed a relatively settled life for Fatima and her family of a husband and three grown up daughters abruptly changed. Fatima relates, “while we avoided leaving our home except for the urgent necessity of fetching for nutrition and drinks, cutting significantly on our daily rations to avoid going out and being exposed to danger, however, when mild winter came, my husband went out wandering around in cold winter night desperately searching to buy gas oil for cooking

    The husband never made it home that night. A bereaved Fatima wonders of whatever happened to her husband as she still ignores his fate until this day, nearly 45 years later, murmuring, “Until this day, I have no clue of what happened to my husband? Was he arrested; kidnapped or was he killed? I have no clue.” “My daughters and I became very frightened and remained imprisoned inside our home not venturing out, especially with rumors spreading about Ethiopian army thugs kidnapping women; raping a frightened mother, Fatima, recalls. It was a rumors
    Fatima goes on explaining, “We remained in that state after the disappearance of my husband for two weeks without food and shivering in the mild cold.” “Then,” Fatima continues, “As a mother, I said to myself I must do something to protect and save my children.” Fatima mustered enough courage and slipped into the close-by homes in the neighborhood searching for some food that although all neighbors were not necessarily better off facing the same food shortage, however, nevertheless; Fatima thought to herself, some neighbors seemed to fare better than others and would be kind and generous willing to share the little food they have with their neighbors. It was during that venturous excursion that one of the neighbors mentioned to Fatima that a relative of theirs is arranging for their escape to Sudan J, renting a shuttle bus that would take them in three days’ time to Khartoum . “Upon hearing that, I started kissing the hands of my neighbor beginning her to take me and my daughters along with them for the safety of my family;” Fatima pleaded.
    The neighbor asked Fatemah if she had money to pay for the trip; Fatima had none but promised the neighbor to go and search her home, every slot and every corner; for, one never knows, her husband might have hidden some money somewhere as Fatima herself never handles money herself for the keep of the household and knows nothing where her husband stitches away his savings to meet emergency situations like the one she finds herself and her three daughters in.
    After an arduous search finding nothing, Fatima went back to the neighbor offering the few golden bracelets kept from her wedding days urging the neighbor to take them in return as a payment as contributions for the trip but the neighbor took pity on Fatima telling her to never mind and that there was enough room left in the old shuttle bus anyway that Fatima and her three daughters can come along for the ride to Khartoum . Fatima was elated and knelt again kissing the hands of the neighbor who took Fatima by the arms to make her stand up counseling with kind words, “Fatima, Tawakli Ala Illah, ‘Rely on God, Have trust in his compassion and mercy.’” Fatima rushed to inform her girls to start packing their personal belongings and get ready for the journey to Khartoum in three days’ time.
    “My neighbor fulfilled her promise, was an honorable woman, and I and my daughters made it on that shuttle bus to Khartoum,” Fatima adds.
    As soon Fatima and her daughters landed in Khartoum, Fatima sold one of her gold bracelets and used the money to pay for the rent of a room. She and her daughters began search in earnest for work, any paying job so that the family could survive. “It is difficult to find work in Sudan Jordan even for Sudanese, however, I came across another Iraqi woman who was in the same situation as myself who directed me to do as she has been doing for a while to earn a living for herself and members of her family,” Fatima recalls. The new Eritrean lady acquaintance took Fatima to a nearby Vegetable Market and advised that Fatima does like what this Eritrean lady acquaintance does, “Buy vegetables in gross, such as thyme, tomato ,spinach, mulukhiah, etc.; have them washed, cut to smaller portions fitting each portion into a separate plastic bag for use to make one or two meals each, and offer them for sale on the street to passerby customers.” “I started doing that but my children were feeling ashamed and refused to have anything to do with it, feeling deeply depressed and protesting angrily if that was the type of work they went to college in order to do? Lamenting, “Is that the kind of job that would give us the respect, honor and the social status we always aspired for and that our father expected for us? Are we made to sit on the sidewalks as peddlers selling vegetables to passersby?” Fatima related heartbreakingly her daughters’ strong reactions. “I retorted,” Fatima remembered as telling her rebelling daughters, “All you have to do is to simply help me wash and cut the vegetables at home and I will take care of the selling sitting on the edge of the sidewalk in front of a major grocery in affluent area of Khartoum . My daughters adamantly refused to have anything to do with this.”
    Zainab, the eldest daughter was advised to call on the UN Refugees Commission to try obtaining a Card recognizing their status as refugees that might further help qualify the girls to secure a work permit. Besides, the issuance of such a card would allow the family to receive food vouchers (Coupons) in addition of getting a health insurance cover. “After Zainab stood in line for hours from 8.0 a.m. every day for two months waiting along with a huge crowd her turn to fill an application, we finally were issued with the food coupons, but the question remained ‘How are we going to pay for our rent?’” a struggling mother Fatima kept worrying.
    A Brave mother, a legendary patient and a fighting mother Fatima ends the story with a Finale befitting the end in a Drama Firm: “I sell every day the vegetable bags to passersby sitting at the sidewalk in front of grocery shop in Khartoum .My youngest daughter Jamilah helps me wash and cut the vegetables;
    Nadia found work at a Doctor’s office near where we live, Zainab, my oldest daughter, the University graduate, ended up marrying a Eritrean construction worker living in Khartoum à I do not know what future attends my other two daughters: Nadia and Jamilah; I think to myself, whom they would end marring, to only murmur with a heavy heart: ‘who would marry poor refugee girls whose mother sits on a sidewalk selling vegetables?’

    • GitSAtSE

      MerHaba Hiwye said,

      I am appreciative of your finding this opportune time to tell FaTima’s, her family and neighbor’s war time and their crossing to KharTum, Sudan as part of The Eritrean Ethiopian Second from the last “hot” war human story and the tragic events of violence that are the cause for the Refugees.

      The rumers of war the Torsorawit increasingly ammasing in Barka and SaHil. 1974, yeah I was probably breaking that darn bottle with the syrum I packed in my pocket after pulling it from under the Eittro-The large clay pot for storing water. And I vaguely remember the large truck I picked up, placing the bottle on solid ground and lifting with both arms the rock above my head to smash and pausing as my my eyes would focus on the green fatigues and helmets accompanied by several truck convoys. Yeah, the fear of the Torsorawit already instilled some how it must have been, the contents inside the bottle safe, I would climb the sloped embankment and into Teseney General Hospital. The Musteshfa and the Hakims. Our neighbor HaileSellasie with the Dukan was a Hakim at the Hospital.

      Well, by the time FaTma and daughters five years in KharTum is when we got there. …
      Now Hiwye said, did FaTma and daughters utilize the Eritrean Liberation Front in Sejanna, and if so how frequently with a few more follow up questions later.

      Here, I am hoping “The Tekeze Hippopotamus” Fanti Ghana and Blue Asmara will data mine, even if it is coefficients for discounting factors.

      The first time my I entered ELF’s Sejanna biettSiHfet was with a fellow schoolmate of mine from Enda Padre in Hilet Sudan, Teseney. We were bearly a Month I’m KharTum, and I walk blindly I’m the Sejanna Eritrean Community Center with him, wondering wether I heard a Torsorawit truck explode after running over a land mine or did I really land that big rock and crush that bottle. Well, my fellow class mate was enquiring on getting back and joining the fight for the cause. I simply was enjoying the natural smooth slide which was a steep stone you would throw sand grains on and off you go sliding. Cardboard and the plastic cap to the medicine bottle bring chewed like gum in the mouth, I would would go past the Jirba on Donkey’s salesman, as he had just finished filling the saddle with water. Ah, the Eitro and green algea – AQurdat Teseney and FaTma’s Rijla Molokhia.
      Thank you said. On this hill we are now in the same fox hole sort to speak.

      SJG’s Of King’s and Rebels is at the fore of my thoughts as well as Mr. Ismail or was it Mr. Durham Ali’s mention of the Sudanese news paper with content stating “The Sudan created the Eritrean War/Revolutiom for Independence.

      tSAtSE

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam GezaE Hagos

    1. – “Really? You never knew Issais’s Tigrean origin?”

    So what – if he has Tigrean origin? He should be proud of it!!! Shouldn’t he? In your mind does that make him any less of an Eritrean? In your understanding, how many generations do you have to stay in Eritrea to qualify for an Eritrean? One generation, two generations, three generations, a hundred……..

    PLEASE GROW UP AND STOP IT!!! YOU”RE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF.

    For your information: everyone came from somewhere – ብሓመድን ጭቃን ኤርትራ ዝተሰርሐ ሰብ የለን – Yes including you, your parents, your great, great, great……… grand parents.

    Again, let me repeat what I said: መተመኒ ኤርትራውነት – ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….. ደኣምበር – መበቆል ዘርእን ሰረትን: ናይ ወለዶ ሓረግ ርሕቐትን ቅርበትን ኮይኑ ኣይፈልጥን ‘ዩ – ኣይክኸውንን ‘ውን ‘ዩ::

    Semere Tesfai

    • ghezaehagos

      Semere,

      Relax, first read the whole entry. YOU are the ONE who said “Why is he (Jamaica) credible?” putting the credibility the fact that Isaias hails from Tigrai into question. You doubted it, now you used another tactic..Now you are saying so what? which is fine…but Choose one.

      You said “Again, let me repeat what I said: መተመኒ ኤርትራውነት – ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….. ደኣምበር – መበቆል ዘርእን ሰረትን: ናይ ወለዶ ሓረግ ርሕቐትን ቅርበትን ኮይኑ ኣይፈልጥን ‘ዩ – ኣይክኸውንን ‘ውን ‘ዩ:”

      Let me repeat what I said, “That is even worse, “ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….” Given these yardsticks, Isaias would claim Eritrean identity based rather on blood.”

      Yes, Isaias is Eritrean. But our beef is his lack of “ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ..”
      Ghezae

    • iSem

      Hi Semere
      And who decides on your “መተመኒ ኤርትራውነት”?
      Identity /citizenship is either natural, meaning you inherit it or it is legal, you acquire ii by some qualifying parameters. The legal part is enshrined by a legal body, hint: like parliament and ppl’s reps or baito, you live X number of years, you pass qualifying interviews/exam and you become an American or Canadian etc. These yardsticks of your is arbitrary and in what plant do love and passion and commitment considered measurements or qualification to be a citizen of a nation
      But you are not even original that was what IA used to say to embolden and bring his brethren from Tigray closer to him because he could not trust the others, if you work for Eritrea you are Eritrean, that is what IA and gang used to say even during the armed struggle.
      Like everything Eritrea your unoriginal yardstick is arbitrary. well the qualities you mentioned are good but they should nogt qualify for Eritrawinet, maybe honorary one
      But by IA’s own yardstick: working for Eritrea he does not qualify because he is not working for Eritrea

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam iSem

        1. – “Identity /citizenship is either natural…….”

        What does natural citizen mean? When (in terms of years/generations) does one become a natural citizen? And how is Isaias not qualified to be a natural Eritrean citizen?

        2.- ” You acquire citizenship by some legal qualifying parameters. The legal part is enshrined by a legal body, hint: like parliament and ppl’s reps or baito, you live X number of years, you pass qualifying interviews/exam and you become an Eritrean citizen”

        So when did Isaias fail to pass your Eritrean citizenship test? Can he try again and pass?

        3. – “Your unoriginal yardstick (መተመኒ ኤርትራውነት – ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….. ደኣምበር – መበቆል ዘርእን ሰረትን: ናይ ወለዶ ሓረግ ርሕቐትን ቅርበትን ኮይኑ ኣይፈልጥን ‘ዩ – ኣይክኸውንን ‘ውን ‘ዩ:”) is arbitrary. Well the qualities you mentioned are good but they should not qualify for Eritrawinet, maybe honorary one. Working for Eritrea does not qualify him (Isaias) to be Eritrean because he is not working for Eritrea.

        Semere please stop embarrassing yourself.

        Here in my adopted country, the USA, any illegal immigrant who served (fought) alongside the brave men and women of American armed forces, will automatically become a US citizen. That is a fact – so you know. But, but, but…..

        By any measurement (service or not service), even if Isaias is the most criminal person this planet has ever witnessed, still, Isaias is, and he will always be, as Eritrean as you, I, and everyone else.

        Semere Tesfai

        • iSem

          Hi Semere:

          Sorry did not see your reply till now.

          As you always do, whenever your are cornered you move the post. the argument was if the yardsticks you created out of the thin air with a whim, I never said IA is not Eritrean, atleast in this comment, I said your measurement does not qualify him and no country does that, in many European counrties even if you are born there you do not automatically become a citizen unless one of their parents is citizen. Your measurement seems to have been created to accommodate the non-Eritreans in PFDJ and IA used to say, who work for Eritrea is Eritrean, convenient!. People work for mercenary reasons: money, power etc too

          What you said abut USA: illegal immigrants who fought in war can be granted a citizenship: here is the point, these rule was not made at the whim by the general, USA parliament or legislators made that happen and that was my point, so the illegal, first they made him legal and then he qualified for citizenship, so please do not make it ur mission to mislead ppl here, were are somewhat well read you know.

          Of course , some nations like Germany are nationality based the way they started and then with the advent of immigration they created the citizenship acts for the same reason I mention.

          And can you tell me the citizenship act of Eritrea that our elected people voted for to give Eritrean citizenship to a generous, kind, hardworking person who is in love the rubba answeba etc. You arguments border on ridiculous.

          Actually you forgot you one thing in your ever expanding whimsical measurements and it is paying 10,000USD

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Folks, I would like to bring your attention to an article from the New York Times in the news feed of awate titled “In Eritrea, a Diver’s Dreamscape” by Joshua Hammer. It is a sad narration of the current Eritrea vis-a-vis the author’s prior expericence with the country two decades ago-it is about the uniquely beautiful sea life in the warm Eritrean Red Sea which stands in stark contrast to the sleepy port city of Massawa, streets devoid of life even during the otherwise most lively holidays such as Eid Al Fetir. Not quite a rosy picture of ሃገር ትሕምበብ ኣላ as painted by those PFDJ diehards.

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Abraham,

      I was not able to find the article. As to the “ሃገር ትሕምበብ ኣላ።” claim, they are absolutely right, when you take it literally. The country is speeding, but since it has lost attachment to its people, the people are being catapulted right out of its orbit. ናበይ ገጻ ትሕምበብ ኣላ is a different question.

      • GitSAtSE

        Selamat Abrehet Yosief,

        Allow me to Plug in here with regards to your Red Earth Rock loosing it’s people in orbit comment, hopefully AbramH will tolerate a couple of FeHams/coal pieces I will throw into the Farnelo/Furnace as tSAtSE’s “Metkekh” by way of thanking the gentlemen and you for allowing me to join your Awelenn Jebena 2nd poured into water as it percolates.
        1)Let it percolate,
        Don’t hesitate it is a must you participate. Aya Amanuel Hidrat and Berhe Y amongst numerous Tigrigna Linguists forum readers such as Atto Ismail Burhan Ali should and I am quite confident do take notice of the Astrophysics/Astronomy in teHambiba ‘mo Embeba tezerwe. Here, lest the moment of the nation centripetal force has wipped so strong that the Eritrean People have become commets in celestial bodies, and if so the ropes made from Lakha Arkebkobay sturdy with magical electro-magnetic force and as long of a reach as Kepler’s fixed gazed on the (45,45,90°) And it’s 2nd reflector for a comprehensive (45,45,2025;8,2017) THE REFUGEES! is Abrehet Yosief’s invite to all for the Kalayti-2nd pour of the bunn.
        2.) Barhe Y on Blue Asmara + Abrehet Yosief on Blue Asmara + Paulos on Blue Asmara is registering strong on my gages as hinderances TO DIALOGUE. See professor Saay7 on Group Dynamics Theory.
        3) The Governed and The Governor is the in it’s fixed gazed quadron is the purpose here.
        4) This slice of Swiss Cheese will be called Mission Abrhetam Jebena Rocket for the purposes of Kepler’s Eye Repairs.
        ..

        The Elites Blink of an Eye: are it’s causes nurture or nature. And what and who does it affect…
        Blue Asmara and Fanti Ghana on the “Hidden Figures” should see the Bishops through the Knight as FaTma and her Queens of Katwe in SuQ Al SheAb Sejana— See UNHCR…

        ..
        .. I must get to One BIT KiTTkaTT 8) Abdulhi “Frmajo” MoHamed. Yes, Saay7, I am quite certain I have met the Gentleman Young President of Somalia. The French Onion Soup Frmajo Cap needs the Cellist to add the Base notes on this group dynamics. The Bottle neck effect…And the Canadian Hjumm if you will 😉

        To the rest, apologies for the above from Awelenn to Berekha Dereja OUTLINE ONLY. Don’t try DO!
        See you in a BIT by BIT makes Bytes moment.

        tSAtSE

        • Paulos

          Tsatse,

          I can read you as in forever. As my Eri-Brit cousin say it, please do stay around.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            I hope he takes your advice and stay around. Excellent Advice for everyone including you.

          • Paulos

            Happy Sunday Abisensation,

            I agree, hope he heeds the plea. The last scene in “No Way Out” finishes when Kevin Costner who plays a Russian spy, gets out of a car with an angry face as he had a fall out with his boss and he keeps walking without saying a word. And the driver tries to talk Costner out of it, then the spy-boss says, “leave him, he will come back. He has got nowhere to go.” Awate or this forum is like the “Event-Horizon” around a Black-Hole. One can not escape or leave for one is kept on a leash. It is addictive.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Addictive indeed. No Way Out is one captivating movie by Mr Costner. Of course I prefer The Bodyguard;))

  • Paulos

    Selamat Blue Asmara,

    I want you to do me a favor. I want you to listen to an interview as recently as this week. The guest is Yemane Jamaica. If you don’t know who Yemane Jamaica is, here is a mini biography. He was born and brought up in Asmara to a Tigrean family but he joined TPLF instead in the early years of the Front. But what makes his otherwise life more “colorful” is that he is first cousin of Isaias and if you listen to what Jamaica had to say between 40 to 50 minutes of the video, you will get a clear info that when you are dissing Tigreans left and right like there is no tomorrow, you’re dissing Isaias Afwerki as well.

    • envision

      Hi Paulos,
      Interesting. I listened to the interview and when I come here, this post of yours! It has always been rumored that Isaias was Tigrain, but this is the most credible source I have ever heard. What I also found very interesting is that, despite Jemaica being sixth generation from his great great grandson of a man who came from Tigrai to Hamassien with Alula, he still considered himself Tigraian. Is that not interesting?

      • Abi

        Hi envision
        Is the interview on EriTv? Why is it news now? Isn’t this የአደባባይ ምስጢር?

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Abi,

          It’s different when you hear it from horses mouth. That’s as close one can get other than to hear it from Isayas himself. It will damage their ego, the likes of Blue Asmara and KBT.

          It’s HUGE, the only thing I like about Trump campaign.

          I have not heard the interview but looking forward.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe Hawey
            ጆሮ ለባለቤቱ ባዳ ነው
            I heard it 30 years ago. It is the same story almost always.
            It never changed. It is you who is eventually waking up. Stay tuned.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I don’t think you get my point.

            First of all I don’t really care and it doesn’t make a difference, he is ERITREAN just like anybody else.

            I have heard it also before but not from this person or that person. There was no name, first hand hand info so it was a rumour. Let me ask you, how have heard it and were you able to confirm it.

            I say it’s significant because how this damages to those who follow him blindly.

            1) those who made a business of hating anyone remotely related to Tigray.

            2) those who support him blindly thinking his origin is from their village (as in wiki leaks) and their defender.

            In other words their world will be collapsing when they find out. I can’t wait to get this interview to send to a couple of diehard, weyane hating relatives.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe Hawey
            I listened to an interview given by Abraham Yayeh(?) a former asgenTay on Et Tv. He was talking a lot back then.
            Slowly but surly you will hear a lot about the revolutionary myth.
            Honestly, I’m enjoying it.
            Honey, more popcorn please !!!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Glad you are enjoying it. But you see my point now, how Semere T. Is going buzerk. We will not hear from Blue or KBT for a while until they come changing their name. And see how Nitricc trying to sound rational, for all his AT life the one thing he never changed stance was his hate anyone and anything from Tigray.

            Berhe

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            “That’s as close one can get other than to hear it from Isayas himself. It’s not a rumour anymore, it’s a fact (Isaias is Tigrayan). It will damage their ego, the likes of Blue Asmara and KBT, Semere T., Nitricc and likes.”

            መተመኒ ኤርትራውነት – ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….. ደኣምበር – መበቆል ዘርእን ሰረትን: ናይ ወለዶ ሓረግ ርሕቐትን ቅርበትን ኮይኑ ኣይፈልጥን ‘ዩ – ኣይክኸውንን ‘ውን ‘ዩ::

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Paulos

            Semere,

            K’wEyeka b’manka k’ziHleka b’Eidka.

          • Abraham H.

            ሰላም ሰመረ ተስፋይ፣ ብናትካ ርአይቶ አቲ ዝጠቐስካዮ መምዘኒታት ናይ ሓደ ኤርትራዊ ከብሎ ዝኽአል ንኢሳያስ ኣፈወርቂ ኣለዎ ኢልካ ‘ዶ ትኣምን፧

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Berhe Y

            Please tell me:

            WHAT DOES HE (ISAIAS) HAS TO DO TO PROVE TO YOU THAT HE IS AS ERITREAN AS YOU ARE? WHAT DOES HE HAS TO DO TO PROVE TO YOU THAT HE IS AS PURE OF AN ERITREAN BREED AS ANY ERITREAN WHO WALKED ON THIS PLANET?

            To make my position very clear to you and to everyone here at Awate – there are many things that I doubt about Isaias Afewerki. But whether he is Eritrean or not, is not one of them.

            Isaias is as Eritrean as you, I, and everybody else. We can question his judgment, we can question his motives, we can question his actions………….. but not his Eritrean Identity.

            ISAIAS IS AS ERITREAN AS KOBORON KRARN AND AS ZIGNIN BOJBOJN

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Semere, you addressed your message to wrong person:), but I’m just asking you based on your criteria that you put in Tigrinya as to who could claim to be Eritrean, does Isayas fit into that criteria? I’m not denying whether Isayas is Eritrean or not, that is not my business. As for me if someone could come from Mars and lead my people to safety and progress, I would be the happiest person on this planet.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Semere Tesfay,

            Really, you have many doubts on him? Many doubts on Issayas? Can you share with awatistas at least some of your doubts?

            Regards

          • Amde

            Selam Amanuel,

            That was well played sir. I am all ears now.

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Semere,

            That is even worse, “ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….” Given these yardsticks, Isaias would claim Eritrean identity based rather on blood.
            Ghezae

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam GezaE Hagos

            “That is even worse, “ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….” Given these yardsticks, Isaias would claim Eritrean identity based rather on blood.”

            What do you mean by blood? What is Eritrean blood? Are you trying to tell me you’re Eritrean because of your blood? How so?

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Semere,

            Why are you acting so obtuse? Didn’t you say Obama has Kenyan blood relatives? why do you that? What is ‘blood relative’ and why do you use to Obama and now all of a sudden that definition disappeared…Isaias has blood relatives (your very term) from Tigray..Kidane Yemane is one.

            Kolel-Melel gidef. KinEna fto…at least try.

            You put these definitions as yardstick of Eritreanism ” ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ…” and we, I and Abraham H. argued, if you these definitions, Isaias is not an Eritrean because he got none of ’em.

            I know it eats you inside to see Isaias has blood relatives ( again your very term in case you are wondering) it abolishes your theory of Tigreans; because your main presence in this FORUM is not to share ideas how to correct things in Eritrea; (you never mention the atrocities inside Eritrea) but to tell us how bad the Tegaru are for Eritrea…
            Ghezae

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Ghezae,

            “It eats you inside to see Isaias has blood relatives (because) it abolishes your theory of Tigreans”. Well said sir.

        • envision

          Hi Abi,
          No it is on Tig TV. The man, Yemane Jemaica, is a blood relative of of Isaias who is from Asmara through and through. He was first part of the EPLF and he asked Isaias to go to be with TPLF. The interviewer asks him how that was not seen as a problem by Isaias (since it is abadoning Isaias’s EPLF), for which he replied “because I am a Tigraian, and Isaias is a Tigraian too”. I never heard it from any credible sources before.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam envision

            “I never heard it from any CREDIBLE sources before.”

            Why is he (Jamaica) credible?

            Who defines Obama’s national identity? A Kenyan blood relative or Obama himself?

            Semere Tesfai

      • Paulos

        Selam envision,

        It shouldn’t have been an issue at all where it is his prerogative to claim what ever he wants to be but unfortunately the issue of identity seems to nullify the trajectory for independence, as such the need to tiptoe around it instead of facing it head-on. Napoleon hailed from Corsica, Hitler from Austria, Stalin from Georgia, Che Guevara from Argentina……it should have been “so what” if rabid dogs of PFDJ didn’t use it to vilify and sideline people.

        • Abrehet Yosief

          Dear Paulos,
          Glad to hear you confirming that this should not be an issue. It is the acts of the person that matter and not his/her ancestry. I copy here what I wrote in response to Blue Asmara in the article “A Mafia group masquerading …”
          Dear Blue Asmara,

          I think you are better than this. Since no child chooses to whom and under what circumstances to be born, it is wrong to say what you just said. Not that it should matter, but you need to remember there are many of those children who are Eritrean, serving in the National Service or as tegadelti and continue to serve. Please focus on the issues you want to bring forward without such offensive statement. As they say, ድሕሪ ስሕተት ምኽሪ ይርከብ፤ ድሕሪ ጥራጥ እግሪ ይእከብ. I urge you to take back what you said.

          • Paulos

            Selam Haftey,

            I couldn’t have said it any better. Interestingly enough, one of the mushrooming start-up companies with in the last couple of years or so focuses on genealogy where it has perked up people’s curiosity—to know what their blood line is as in their ancestry. One wonders if we (Eritreans and Ethiopians) were to venture to find out to the very least our immediate ancestors. The distinction which I think is a social-construct would pale if not dissipate into oblivion.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            This is one of the things I am interested in getting done actually. We were discussing the value of getting such a test done via companies like 23-and-me with some friends, and one issue was whether or or the database they have has the resolution to tell us much detail about us (as in people from our neck of the woods) at this point.

            What I mean is, if I have samples sent and they tell me I am “80% East African and 20 % Yemeni” (for example), it is of no use to me as it tells me nothing more than I suspect based on the general outlines of our history. They can only tell you what is in your blood if they have genealogy and ethnicity/culture/geography data that is sufficiently detailed. Is such detailed data available for these companies at this point? Or is it money thrown away? Scratch that – the medical information on your genetic predisposition for diseases might make it worthwhile.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            When I said—to find out our respective ancestry, I didn’t mean if one is Eritrean or Ethiopian for there is no such a thing called Eritrean-gene or Ethiopian-gene for that matter. The boundaries as we know are human constructs. Let me put it in a historical perspective. There was no a country called Iraq, Syria or Jordan before World War I as we know them today or there was no a country called Nigeria before 1960 as we know the country today. As such, if one was to run a genetic test to find out his or her ancestry, it is not going to be 20% Iraqi and certain percentage Syrian. By the same token, it won’t say this percentage Ethiopian and this percentage Yemeni or Eritrean.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Oh yeah I know it will probably not tell me if I am Ethiopia or Eritrean. Those are not useful markers at all..

            But it would be interesting to know things like:

            such and such a genetic marker is most prevalent within such and such ethnic groups in such and such geographic region

            (The “prevalent in geographic region X” would be the proxy for today’s borders)

            That would be useful and interesting.

            A lot of African Americans have had those done. One example was Chris Tucker – the actor famous for “Do You Understand the Words Coming Out of My Mouth?”. Most African Americans were assumed to hail from West Africa. He found his to be mostly from what is now Angola, (the Mbundu), with other traces from Mozambique and a number of western african countries.

            You know what? you convinced me to get mine done.

            Amde

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde,
            It is a good idea to get the test done. If you have a son, I suggest you do your son’s instead of yours. That way you get the latest. The test result will definitely show where your closest genetic relations are currently living. And if you have a sister, ask her to get hers done. They trace the mother’s ancestor through female descendants.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abrehet,

            Hope you won’t think that I am too geeky but your last line caught my attention. We inherit mitochondrial DNA only from our mother and it becomes sort of handy to trace blood line.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos,
            Nothing wrong with being geeky. Geeks inherit the world. I followed the national geographic genographic project. They state that men have an added advantage in that they will do a test for the Y chromosome which helps them to do direct paternal deep ancestry. Hence the suggestion to do for his son and his sister. Simply to save money.

          • Amde

            Thank you Abrehet,

            I will convince my sister as well. That is quite interesting infomation.

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            I actually saw a video not long ago on social media where this Ethiopian girl who was born and brought up in the States did the test and what she found out was interesting but not surprising. I don’t remember the exact numbers as in the fractions but she is found to have from of course East Africa but from parts of the middle east and parts of India as well. Come to think of it, India is not very far given the Indian ocean close to the horn and middle east as well.

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat Amde,

            You and I are Wolverines Polynesians and Andeze Mountains in from.Easter Islands. Chiseling Lalibella Monstery for our great great granfathers was came natural. Adele indye Abi?

            tSAtSE

          • Amde

            Selam GitSAtSE,

            Oh, yes of course we are from Easter Island. Remember all the statues they made of us? It was aggravating to have to pose for, but the island ladies.. dayum…

      • ghezaehagos

        Hi Erivision,
        That also struck me. I think he said he is 4th in generation who came from Yeha, Tigrai as soldier of Alula. But he said he came as very proud Tigrean. That was startling…
        G.

        • envision

          Hi Ghezaehagos,
          How do you count generation? He said the grand father of his grand father came with Ras Alula. I think it is 5th (not 4th not 6th) generation, no? Yes, I found his claim of Tigraianess very surprising. It is maybe a window into how Alula’s soldiers viewed themselves and how they taught their children. It is also very interesting to know that the grandsons of Alula’s soldiers are still prominent players in Eritrean politics. I have some sort of hypothesis, that a political elite’s lifespan is very long in that it always finds a way to ascend to influence in one way or another even after generations.

          By the way, envision, not erivision 🙂

          • Paulos

            Selam envision,

            That is actually an interesting hypothesis. Maybe one day science may come up with a concrete theory to that effect as certain genetic traits as in left-handedness is correlated with political power.

          • ghezaehagos

            Paulos and envision,
            Frist, Sorry, I was addressing you as Erivision.
            Of all things, if I can, I would like to read Isaias’s biography. No one has defined and defiled our nation than this mortal enemy of Eritrea. His biography would be a definitive study of turbulent Eritrea in the last 50 years…till, yes, “AYteHAreNAn” of January 2017.
            There is not a day that passes without me wishing the death of this worst tyrant in the world.
            My first question to anyone who knew him up close, Pawlos BaAtay, Dr. Andebrehan etc…is “tell me about Isais Afewerki? ” The details you hear about him and his M.O. are shocking. And you wonder how this beautiful nation of ours falls to the one who has the least traits of an Eritrean.
            Coming to the point: Yes, background hugely feeds and informs adult life. Isaias being a royal family from Tigray may think royalty and potentate belongs to him, especially if he is fed in his formative age with this information from his elders and uncles, like Graz. Kidane Mesel and Dej. Solomon Abraha.
            Post-independence, there are stories of him visiting his ancestral village in Tigrai before 1998. Certainly, it needs more research and scrutiny. Who is this guy? Really?
            PFDJ’isatas like Semere Tesfay may say, kab ZeynfeLtom opposition angels, Isaias is the devil we know; but really he is the devil we have not YET known.
            Thanks,
            Ghezae

          • Paulos

            Selam Ghezae,

            I often get puzzled as to no one has ever made an effort to write Isaias’ biography. Dan Connel comes to mind among others. But again, Isaias the loner hardly talks about his family and up bringing where he is consumed with paranoia. He is probably a psychopath where the profile seems to fit as he can easily charm you all the way to your soul and he is cruel as it gets where sympathy and empathy are alien to his disturbed self.

          • Amde

            Selam envision, Paulos

            … and we somehow land on nature vs nurture on political elites…

            envision, technically speaking, the grandsons of Alula’s soldiers may be prominent political players, but I don’t know if the Alula soldiers themselves were prominent. For all we know they were peasants required to serve.

            As to the longevity of elites, my thought has been that politics, just like any other profession, is mostly made up of a number of skill sets and specialized knowledge. Just like the Bakers and the Smiths passed their respective skills and secret sauce, so do the political elite. And so we still even in democracies have political families and dynasty.

            I don’t know how that correlates to “prominent in Eritrean politics”, but the charge that PFDJ Central is a proxy for Tigrayan-Eritreans has been bandied about for a while now. It would be interesting if one could draw a hypothesis from Alula to Isayyas. In my mind, envision’s theory that much of Eritrean and Tigrayan resistance was against Shewan dominance lends itself to drawing that connection.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            That is very interesting point. The idea of power politics where the question why certain people shine in the brute world of politics has puzzled psychologists and others as well. The Borgias and the Meddicies who mesmerized the father of Realpolitik—Machiavelli. And later on Cardinal Rechelieu who famously said, “Man owns immortality for his salvation is here after, the State doesn’t own immortality for its salvation is here or never.” He elevated Realpolitik and is credited for crafting “Ballance of Power.” These people and others including Bismark, Churchill and later on Castro and of course Clinton are or were not made but were born at the right place, time and with the “right genetic predisposition” as well.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Those are great counter examples. But I was responding to envision’s point about the longevity of elites. I would assume he meant the Borgias and Meddicis and any dynasty in general.

            Bismarck, Churchill and Castro do not have progeny that we know of that followed their success. It doesn’t look like they were able to pass their accumulated political capital (for lack of a better phrase) in some institutional form. Stalin didn’t give two bits about his son, who was an officer in the Soviet Army during WW2, and later captured by the Nazis. They offered to swap him for a General the Soviets had captured, but Stalin declared he wasn’t swapping a captain for a General and that was the end.

            It is interesting that the commonly accepted rules of governance no longer allow hereditary offices. If you are a self made man today, your progeny is not automatically guaranteed the same or similar position. We will see what Chelsea Clinton ascends to, or the Obama girl I guess. The syume-egziabher doctrine helped. It used to be simpler in the old days. You self-make yourself into a King, which everyone assumes automatically means your progeny have exclusive access to the position and the benefit it entails. Those who think otherwise then have to spill blood to convince others that it ain’t necessarily so.

            I have a morbid curiosity about the “Abraham Isayyas ascends to the throne” situation. That could be a laboratory test as to whether or not an abesha strongman has successfully set-up an institution that can survive himself. Is he rumored to have any of his father’s capabilities at all?

            Amde

          • envision

            Hi Amde,
            Your view on continuity of “political dynasties” concurs with mine. The role of genetics in political dynasties is insofar as the role genetics plays in a baker passing his skills and perspectives to his children.

            On political eliteness of Alula’s soldiers, I think they were. Alula being the governor, the next influential people were the ones close to him. Of course not all of them are influential, but the influential ones are from among his closest people. Remember also that back then the soldier was higher than the peasant.

            In my view there is no continuously taught and handed-down view from Alula to Isaias, but the mechanisation of Menelik and Italy in dividing the Tigrinya-speaking people into two and the subsequent domination by Shewa is deeply resented in both Eritrea and Tigray. That resentment resulted in the collaboration to overthrow the imperial and the Dergue governments (both seen as Shewan rule). It seems to me, however, both parties were not enlightened enough to forge a long-lasting unity. Instead they ended up divided, fighting and weak, which looked from the long arm of time, is a defeat by Shewa.

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            Good points. The question however still remains: With in the strict sense of the term, who is the most “political animal?” I say Isaias takes all the “props” where he not only conned every one around him for over fifty years, he also remained to be extremely ruthless when it comes to dealing with his political enemies. If one was to put Isaias, Mengstu, Tewodros and Stalin in one room, I say Isaias would kill them all before anyone of them even try.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            “Isaias, Mengstu, Tewodros and Stalin walk into a room..” sounds like the start of a joke.

            I don’t think miskin Tewodros belongs in there, he will be the first to go. Most likely, shooting his own aggrieved self.

            Mengstu and Isayyas are probably par in manipulation skills. I seriously think Isayyas is significant more of a psychopath than Mengstu ever was.

            But Stalin was quite something. Cunning and ruthlessness was his forte.

            My guess is he would assume Isayyas would be a bigger threat than Mengstu, manipulate Mengstu and Tewodros into getting rid of Isayyas. Then have Tewodros take down Mengstu.

            Then offer Tewodros his pistol to shoot himself.

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            You’re something! As you say it, that was gold.

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Not sure where but I thought I read Tewodros had psychopathic tendencies. Is it true?

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Tewodros did not have “psychopathic tendencies”. He was nuts!!

            I met an old lady in the 80s from Wollo, who was talking about all the people he had thrown off cliffs. Mind you, this was something from 120 years prior, and she was definitely not alive then, nor were her parents. They are mystified over the adoration he earned later.

            Tewodros owed his success primarily to being a superb fighter. He came up from basically nothing. He was austere and beloved by his fellow fighters. He became a shifta, and at every stage they try to fight him, and then buy him off. And yet he continued going up. He was a revolutionary and a zealot. He is a romantic figure now, but during his time, he enflamed everybody and every institution from top to bottom. (BTW, twenty years after Isayyas’ death, he will also be romanticized and cannonized. People forget the terrible things, and rationalize their good intentions or achievements – that’s the way it works. So I am in for an Isayyas Hagiography futures trading for 20 years post funeral)

            Tewodros’ revolutionariness and zealotry attracted the adoration of the generation that was fighting what they perceived as backwardness and oppression.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            That is even worse. They also say he was fluent in Arabic for he was born and grew up right at the Gonder and Sudanese border a town called Qwara. Does that make sense to you?

          • Amde

            Paulos,

            This is the first I have heard of his Arabic fluency, but I wouldn’t be surprised. His seal is half in Arabic script. To this day, there are disputes about Gonderes farming Sudanese land which the Gonderes claim as their own.

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            I am sure I read somewhere to that effect. I will check but I think it is in Paul Henze’s book, “Layers of Time.” That’s probably the title but again I will check.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Paulos and Amde,

            Allow me to say few things on your yesterday’s discussion on Tewodros and Arabic. I read authors who had met and wrote about Tewodros like Lejean, Rassam and others, but don’t recall mention of Tewodros speaking Arabic, though could be true. But Denis de Rivoyre, a French who visited northern Abyssinia in the 1860s and met Kassa in Halay or Hebo mentions that the then future Yohannes IV had good knowledge of Arabic. Yohannes IV’s seals had Arabic inscriptions too. Usage of Arabic was at the core of Abyssinia diplomacy. It was unimaginable any letter or sealed material that emanate from an Ethiopian king would pass beyond Hirgigo or CHilga if it is not properly identified as coming from the Abyssinian king and accompanied by a reliable person who can communicate in Arabic. For this the king’s seal need to bear a legible inscription. Most Abyssinian kings had frequently Arabic speaking Syrian or Armenian emissaries for their diplomatic missions and for sending their requests to Egypt for the appointments of new Abunas.
            Haile S.

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile S,
            According to my knowledge, most of the emissaries were either beja or Abyssinian who could speak the kings’ language. It’s more likely they were Abyssinian. At that time, before the advent of the bigoted Jesuits from the Iberian Peninsula, around the time the moors were pushed out, the Abyssinian clergy were mostly literate in Arabic.

          • Paulos

            Selam SGJ,

            What makes you think that the Jesuits were begots?

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Paulos,
            Because they ignited the religious and factional strife in a region that had little sectarian conflicts–particularly Christian-Muslim.

            They required the Orthodox to be re baptized because, according to them, they were not Christian enough–maybe apostates.

            They introduced to the region the sentiments they carried from Iberia (inquisition) after they drove out the Moors

            They considered and called the Muslims of the region Moors, and of course, they have to be treated like they treated the Moors–Alvarez and the legend of Prestor John that they peddled in Europe is just an example.

            They encouraged the cleansing of Jews and Muslims.

            I hope that will explain my understanding.

          • Paulos

            Selam SGJ,

            That maybe is true but again does that make them begots?

          • Amde

            Selam Saleh,

            “Because they ignited the religious and factional strife in a region that had little known sectarian conflicts before they came–particularly Christian-Muslim.”

            Well now.

            The sequence of events is that they were drawn in because of the Gragn Wars. That started before they got involved.

            They definitely were Cathlic fanatics, and it is true they wanted to have all the orthodox rebaptized as catholic. That almost triggered civil war which was only avoided by the abdication of the emperor (I believe it was Susenyos).

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Amde,
            The Gragn vs Abyssinian kings conflict (I call it civil war considering both parts are in present Ethiopia) was exasperated and fanned by the Portuguese intervention. Mainstream history of the region doesn’t tell you Gragn was reacting to aggression (except a few respected scholars, particularly Prof. Lapiso) and of course, the Turks and the Portuguese made the conflict worse (again, you rarely hear of Portuguese intervention but Turkish.)

            There were conflicts on civil-war nature (Gragn), but the sectarian strife never stopped since they fanned it.

          • Paulos

            Selam SGJ,

            My apologies if my question sounded as in bagering the “witness” on the stand.

            I say, it is rather unfair to assess and judge critical and yet historic events through the indices accorded to us as we see them through circa 600 years after the fact. If anything, the Jesuits not only countered the then rising reformist movement particularly in Europe with a remarkable intellectual forte, they are hitherto known for their sense of social justice and the spread of academic centers around the world including in East Africa as well.

            To go back to the….”their attempt to convert others with different confessions…” again it ought to be seenn with in the social realities of the times where if in our time consumerism is the center stage of capitalism with advertising agents of different brands, religion was equally a “hot commodity” to be sold to the masses where the advertising agents were Dante and his “Divine Comedy.” And one can imagine “the cut throat” world they lived in and do away with anything to sell their products as in “faiths”.

            P.S. “The Mission” 1986 great movie—Robert DeNiro and Jeremy Irons in it lends the reality the Jesuits lived in.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            Where were you all these years?
            Your comments remind me of Pappi.
            ( I miss you Pappi.)

            I took a class in “Social Foundations of Education” ( a combination of history and philosophy of education) where you can see and appreciate the role played by the Jusuits in promoting and expanding education.
            Thanks Paul. Amde said you rock. I say you are a rock.

          • Paulos

            Abisensation,

            You should see me laughing. Been meaning to ask you: Do you watch any of the TV series dramas as in Mogachoch, Zemen or Meleket?

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            My First Lady watches mogachoch. I don’t watch tv except soccer and some other sports. I’m watching NBA All Stars as we speak.

          • saay7

            Hey Abi:

            Warning: this is saaytanish:

            Here’s why Paul reminds you of Pappi:

            1. Both use the word “surely” in an unusual way. Instead of saying, “I didn’t mean that”, they both say, “I surely didn’t mean that”
            2. Both use the [read: _____] prose. For example, John Doe went to the market [read: fruit inc.]
            3. Both live in the Mereb River and are very comfortable in Ethio and Eritrea-land. From the ghedli era, of course.
            4. Both sometimes get overwhelmed by the conversation and wish they could sit down with whomever they are conversing with and have a latte together.

            But then again, you had already made all these connections subconsciously because grumpy Abi has a spongy memory. Paulos is Pappi’s doppleganger*

            saay

            * Fanti, you suck: the greatest sci-fi series was Battlestar Galactica. And it had a lot of dopplegangers:)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,

            Frak, I forgot. I like Battlestar Galactica!!!
            Even in the Star Trek families, Deep Space 9 is my favorite. I wonder what Freudians would make of sci-fi fans. Anything but here? want to escape from…? get me out of here? I wish I was dead?

          • saay7

            Hey Fanti:

            Can’t possibly be escapism before, after all, some of the scariest stories–Orwell’s 1984, A Clockwork Orange–were sci-fi.

            I think it is unlimited imagination, one that doesn’t have to obey the laws of gravity, mortality, or the linearity of time.

            Someone once said that the difference between sci-fi and magic is that sci-fi uses spaceships and magic uses flying carpets. So, one more appeal: technology and robots.

            All this, with a morality tale. Speaking of which, the remake of “Bladerunner” is coming out this year. Yay!

            saay

          • Amde

            Selam saay, Fanti

            One thing I find strange about all those sci-fi universes is the curious absence of economics. The Star Trek universe of everything-on-demand and holodecks gets its drama around tribal territorial competition. Battlestar Galactica is about existential struggle between man and machine. In any case the implied economic system behind them is some idealistic form of communism. There are no rich or poor. No businessmen other than the Ferengi whose role is not crucial for the series except for them to scratch a primordial itch. No scarcity.

            The only one I know of that deals with interplanetary scarcity is Dune… all about the spice… (Dune is getting a remake as well).

            Are there no dismal scientists who dream of the stars?

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selamat Professor,

            Here is a tough one. Can you see and single out Yodita from the crowd (read: Awatistas)?

          • saay7

            Hey Paulos:

            Another doppelgänger? 🙂

            Don’t remember much about Yodita except she too strattled in Mereb River and her sole contribution was as delivery girl for YG articles. But Papillon and I had a history because she joined as Dragon Tattoo changed it to its Tigrinya translation then settled on the name of a period movie: Papillon.

            Saay

          • Paulos

            Professor,

            I remember Serray was always breathing on her (Pappi) neck. One wonders if all the comments were to be published, it would give not only a fresh insight but it would be a testament where we are able to live with respect toward each other irrespective our differences and backgrounds.

          • iSem

            Hi Paul and Saay:
            Sal welcome back. Your memory is spot on Pappi’s phraseology, but I am not sure if Yodita straddled the Mereb river, I remember her and Hayat Tzigereda, Pappi were called the ladies of awate.
            Yodita has a wicked prose and I remember you mentioning that to her. Also I remember her last argument with none other iSem about his harsh comment about AlemS Tesfay’s book

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            What do you mean “welcome back”: I have been here. It’s just that I have been practicing what I preach: “when the subjects are likely to yield heat but no light, nobody is forcing us to comment.”

            I am sorry I don’t remember much about Yoditas writing; from your description, she sounds like she would have been worthy adversary for you and ur Falulnet. Given the dearth of female contributors, it’s now your responsibility to bring her back since you confessed you are to blame.

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi Sal:
            Well, sure, but even the articles have slowed down, but I know translating ashekkae alem is daunting:-)
            Lat week, I actually thought that Yohanne Zerais’s article was yours, I mean I thought I saw Saleh Younis instead of Yohannes when I read it then the commenters were talking about YZ
            Yodita, well here last comment was to me about my harsh comment (you call it Falulay) about a book her AlemS T wrote long time ago, “Wedi Hadera from Badme to Sahel”, even when I read it in 1989 was bad, it was a work of fiction drafted by Wedi Hadera, Yodita did not like my comments
            quality is preferred to quantity, we have quality here in Hayat and Tzigereda but Sarah O and Sara, but I would be welcome

          • Abi

            Paul
            What is going on? You are killing me.
            You remember Serray responding to Nitricc as 1110001011001110….
            I miss Serray, Rodab, crocos, Nero,Kokobe
            Paul, this time around please stay put.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Mr.memory,
            I don’t remember Nero at all. But there was this guy who write in CAPS in top-flat-pyramid shape a while ago. I lost him but he usually wrote frequently under a single thread non-interactive, unrelated and very lonely notes. Where did he go? I think only Saay used to read him.

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            Are you talking about the philosopher L.T.? If so I have a disappointing story…

            A few weeks ago, Bronwyn Bruton and I were having a twitter exchange and the kids at Tesfanews were so mad that she acknowledged my existence they wrote an open letter to her advising her to ignore me. Anyway, they use disqus and in the discussion section who do I see but the philosopher LT telling tesfanews readers that he had long followed awate until he discovered the Awate Teams secret agenda.

            So to answer your question, he moved to a new agwdo. And awate teams agenda is so secret even the awate team don’t know what it is 😂

            saay

          • iSem

            Hi Hayat:
            His name AMAN (Not Aman):-)
            At point AMAN and L.T were the only awatista who were allowed to break the salutation rule but then someone resigned and the rule applied to them, I guess:-)

          • Abi

            Hi Queen
            Nero was an Ethiopian genius specially when it comes to economics.
            I remember him debating with Haile TG on financial matters. Actually, the debate was based on your out of this world comment regarding the economic reasons why the two countries went to war . You will find Nero, Haile TG and Amde , Fanti(?) in one page. Of course Saay was with us not in spirit but physically:) ከማረጉ በፊት :))

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            T Kifle kept you sharp and alive. Nowadays it is a good day at Awate when you show up. You are playing Jesus. “መምጫዬ አይታወቅምና ነቅታችሁ ጠብቁ” :: Good thing Gadi is around half heartedly.

          • saay7

            Hey Abi:

            I am always here; there are just some topics like our people say I can tell if the bread will fill my apetite while it’s being baked [insert appropriate Amharic proverb here] or also as my people say that dough has some pebbles [insert another Amharic proverb here.] There have been lots of pebbles-in-dough lately.

            One of the few great things about aging, you can tell how an argument will begin. Speaking of which, you knew that in the All star dunk contest u saw yesterday, there wouldn’t be anything that would rival Michael Jordan’s 1980s take off from the three-way line dunk, right? How he solidified his Air Jordan title. Here it is for those too stubborn to enjoy one of life’s greatest gifts (it’s 1 minute with slomo rerun)

            https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=VIWHbHxTV7w

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            በመንፈስ ከኛ ጋር መሆንህ ሀይልና ብርታት ይሆነናል:))

            I’m lucky enough to watch “Come fly with me” looooong time ago where Michael fly like he had a wing. Yesterday it was a drone flying instead.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Saay,

            ብ Papillon ኣይትምጸአኒ፤ ካልእ ከምድላይካ!

          • saay7

            Hey Fanti:

            I surely don’t mean b Papillon kmexaka. I was merely commenting on the similarities in the prose, interests, and debate style [read: argumentation]

            saay

          • Paulos

            Happy Sunday Professor,

            You were mean to Pappi particularly when you gave her 7 ‘F’s at one point where she had to take a leave of absence to cop with it. And of course she found a comforting shoulder on the one and only Fantination to cry on.

          • saay7

            Hey Paul:

            I was? 7 Fs? I don’t remember that at all. Well if she were here, I surely would have said I am sorry [read:apologize] but since she is not here, what can one do but file it in the Increasingly Unfortunate Decisions of saay way back in 2012. 😂

            Anyway, the big chief here now is the 2017 Awatista of the Year, Amde, so I recommend you cozy up to him. Fantiness has a tendency to disappear for months [read: New Age Retreat in the Himalayas] and he is unreliable. Abi only disappears for 4 months to take lessons on how to post using Geez alphabets: in true habesha stubbornness, he takes 4 months to argue he doesn’t have to and 1 day to learn how to do it.

            saay

          • Paulos

            Hey Professor,

            First time to see you since the mid 90s your hippocampus (read: memory bank) getting compromised and hope those who fear you as in the whole PFDJ gangs are not taking a note. That said, I feel privileged and honored to find myself in the company of Amde, Fantination and others. It looks like the “Dictatorship of Professor Saleh AA Younis” is over for he has occupied the spotlight for far too long with a ruthless intellectual fiefdom.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            This is one of those that should be said away from the subject, but…
            I know I am setting up myself for all sorts of traps, but this must be said.
            Papillon affected/affects me in such a way I can’t really explain to this day. Even with my unequivocal knowledge of her age range, a lot younger than I, I think of her, and I still do, as my elder sister. I mean a profound belief of ‘she is my sister no matter what anyone says’ type of psychological anomaly. I have two sisters. both my elders. Now, go analyze that.

            PS:
            “New Age Retreat in the Himalayas” below; I may have a surprise for you early next year. I will be in Nepal and/or in Guatemala next year. More details when the plan is formalized.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Fanti,

            No matters what her haters say, she is one of the brightest intellectual Eritrea can have. If Paul is not Papillon, then she is greatly missed.

            Regards

          • Abi

            Paul Paul Paul
            Hold Everything! The last time I saw Yodita is at least 3 years ago. The first time I saw you was a month ago. The last time I saw Pappi was over a year ago. She came back for a day and disappeared again after her comment about Professor Bereket was deleted by the moderator.
            Are you telling me you have been following Awate for these many years without a single comment?
            እንዴት አስቻለህ ወዳጄ ?

          • Paulos

            Abisensation,

            Am pleading the Fifth.

          • Abi

            Paul
            Pleading the Fifth in an Ethiopian court?
            Really?
            Never heard of Abiyotawi ermija?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            “Pleading the Fifth in an Ethiopian court?” YES!

            Do you remember the book by Kibur Ato Bereket, “Deliverence,” Semere T had an excellent review of it here not long ago, and you were complaining, as usual, about it?

            There is a scene in it that made me sick to my stomach and it was when an accused young man pleaded the 5th. From the context, I think he said it in English, one can only deduce what he may have said from the explanation given to the court about what he meant. So, yes, it did happen once…

          • Paulos

            Happy Sunday Fantination,

            You read the book? How is it? I mean, would you recommend it?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Paulos,

            Yes, Okay/Good/Definitely.

            I wasn’t Wowed by it, perhaps, because I am very familiar with the times and events the story is based on. I kept getting ahead of the story in my mind, and I kept thinking it was wasteful. I also thought the style of writing seemed too “fictionalized.” There are too many scenes that don’t relate to my expectation of what I think is a common and stereo typical “Habesha” interactions. Even by the most modern standards that is. You know, the dinner, wine, dance, kiss…etc. Although not necessarily false, some events seemed unnecessarily too westernized.

            I strongly recommend it to those under fifty, and cautiously recommend it to the rest:

            a) Because the intent of the author is a worthy endeavor
            b) If you are not familiar with our politics of the mid 70s.
            c) To support, thus entourage, our regional historians and authors
            d) What can you possibly lose?

            Semere Tesfai have a thorough review of it (please read), although I thought he was too generous, but then again, it is possible that that is how the book affected him and that is how it will affect others who were not in the area at the time or those unfamiliar with the events. So, my claim of ST was too generous may not be objective.

            For example, ST wished the ending was different, and I strongly thought the beginning should have been different. It should have started from Germame Neway’s revolt which is the beginning of what we may call “Modern Ethiopian Revolutions” which the book detailed their consequences and prices paid very nicely. Do you see my point? If Semere never heard of Germame for example, he wouldn’t possibly relate it to “Deliverance.”

            etc…

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fanti,
            You are mistaking Semere Habtemariam for Semere Tesfai. Semere H is the columnist of Persoective. The other Semere ( Tesfai) is a different person.

          • iSem

            Hi SGJ and FG
            To make it even more confusing, as you know Semere H’s middle name (read father’s name) is Tesfmichael. And no one is really named Tesfai, Habte or Tekle rather, Tesfa-something, Habte-something, and Tekle -something etc

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Memhir & iSem,

            Thank you guys. The similarity of their writing is amazing.

          • Paulos

            Selam Fantination,

            Many thanks for the excellent expose’. I have read two books by Prof. Habteselassie, one when I was back in college, titled “Riding the whirlwind: An Ethiopian Story of Love and Revolution.” And the other one is the second volume of “The Pen and the Crown.” I say the first book was pretty much of a historical novel dedicated to General Andom who was his best friend and he takes a central role as a character with in the plot of the book. Professor Bereket is a gifted writer where his energy is commendable as well given his advanced age. Writing must have been plan B if ascension to the highest Office remained untenable and glad the former worked out. Thank you again and look forward to read the book come summer God willing that is.

          • Abi

            Selam yetekeberu Fanti
            I always associate Bereket and Semere Habtemariam not Semere T.
            I am still complaining every time I hear about Bereket.
            Kibur and Bereket in the same sentence is definitely happened in Ghana.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            I found a video of you pleading the fifth.

            Sorry, da’ fif’

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F40c0eRWLNw

          • Paulos

            Happy Sunday Amde,

            That’s so funny. Thanks for the laugh.

          • Abi

            Hi Saaytanish
            You ain’t kidding! I already made the connection ( read observations) .
            Both are scary smart.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abi,

            Paulos and Pappi other than their stylish English, are identified by their avidity to various discipline of knowledge. Though I still suspect Paulos is Pappi, both are enjoyable individuals.

            Regards

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Amanual
            Thanks for volunteering to sit in the witness stand when I prosecute Paul.
            They both love books ,movies , … Do you know Pappi got her nick from a movie?
            Enjoyable is understatement.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abi,

            Approximately, two weeks after Paulos debuted in the awate forum, I have commented on Paulos’s English, its semblance to Pappi’s English, and how she is missed.

          • Dear Abi,
            i always believed that “papillon” was a woman and her nickname had something to do with a butterfly and the film by steve mcqueen, as you insinuated. a butterfly is a beautiful creature, and so are women, and therefore, probably the reasons she adopted this nickname.

            as much as papillon being paul and the other way around, i see differences, which do not seem to match to prove that the two are the same person. for one thing, the frequency of their comments, their field of interest, and the way they support their opinion are not similar. a somewhat neutral position both seem to hold (my opinion), is not enough to direct to the same person. (sorry for intruding).

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            You are not intruding at all. You are volunteering to sit in the defense box.
            The guy took the Fifth already.

          • Nitricc

            hey P: hahahah you better apologize lol. SJ is the greatest educator with boundless knowledge but he does not like to be challenged. so, you know. lol

          • Paulos

            Nitrikay,

            Do you know what I remembered and laughed the other day? When you said a while back Emma will be a policeman in post-Isaias Eritrea. I thought that was funny. And quit sucking up to SGJ for he will still freeze and ban your azz should you dis him.

          • Nitricc

            Hey P: i don’t have a bone in my body that sucking up to people , nope! I say things as i see it. he can banned me anytime but i am not going to back out from speaking my mind. You can take that to the bank. There are even days i call “Higdef mendef deki sebeyti” hahhaahh lol

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Nitriccay & Paulos,

            I was just about to defend you “scientifically” but you spoiled it for me.

            Long time ago (thank you Saay), I discovered why bulls excrete before a fight. It is associated by many cultures that it is because they are afraid, hence, the insult “tsaHtsaHi” in our culture meaning “feraH.”

            The real reason is however, they excrete before a fight because they want to reduce their weight so they can fight better and to run faster either to escape the chase if they lose or to chase quicker and subdue the opponent. After recovering from my laugh, I concluded that evolutionary speaking, the superior the animal is the more tsaHtsaHi it is. So, how I was going to defend you was that the more azz kisser one is the more chances they have of survival, therefore the more success of continuity, which the female species love. But, entaymo, entaymo.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            I remember Nitricc saying to Pappi she will be some kind of funeral home director or something like that. She replied “anta ergum “. Do you remember?

          • Paulos

            Abisensation,

            Yea I remember that. Funny! Are you watching all star game?

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            I’m watching the game. I hope to see good slum dunks. I was disappointed last night. I fell asleep while the drone was hovering.

          • Haile S.

            Hi Saleh,
            I am not restricting it to foreigners only. You are right there were local emissaries, but there were also of foreign origin as I mentioned, for example notable among those were the mourads (elder and younger) one of whole accompanied CJ poncet to France. It all depends on which epoch we are talking about.
            Haile

          • Paulos

            Selam Haile,

            Many thanks for the input. I specifically remember reading to that effect where Tewodros was fluent in Arabic and that is attributed according to the author* to the area where he grew up in—a town called Qwara, right close to the Sudanese border.

            Amde,

            If you’re reading this–I just remembered where we talked yesterday about Tewodros’ erratic behaviour. As it happened, he became more withdrawn and “psychopathic” after the death of his wife Tewabech** whom he loved so much to the extent where some people say, love story of its kind in the history of monarchs.

            *I can’t recall now the tittle of the book nor the author’s name.

            **If I am not mistaken, that was her name.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            I am travelling so not too much access to information, but I agree that he got worse after his wife died. Yes Tewabech was her name.

            I suppose people snap, but in those times, callous and cavalier disregard for (especially) peasant life was standard SOP. Tewabech apparently did calm him down but I suspect he just reverted to his instincts.

            He had great ideas – well ahead if his time. But jeez – once he got past the winning on the battlefront, it’s like he didn’t appreciate that the issue now is different.

            Interestingly, one could take out the reference to Tewodros and see his journey as archetypal. The hero is engaged in a war. He learns lesson for success in the war. The hero wins the war. The hero applies lessons learnt in war to the peace. The hero loses the peace. Where have we seen that before?

            Amde
            PS. Man I am so happy you are in this forum!! You rock.

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            The feeling is mutual my brother. True, Tewodros was the hero in every sense of the word who stole immortality from all the rest who died of either a natural death or afflicted by others (read: Yohannes). If I can use a literary genre, Mengistu and Meles are anti-hero because they played it safe.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            Growing up of all the theater I watched , there is none like “Tewodros”.
            There are many books about him depicting his heroic deeds , his frustration with the church, the other mesafints,…
            Let me give you one line from one of the books by Berhanu Zerihun. A soldier was begging for a kiss by saying
            ” በቴዎድሮስ ሞት አንዴ ሳሚኝ”
            He was way ahead of his time.

          • Saleh Johar

            Amde,

            The old lady is right, but she is not the source for the following present from me to you*

            … Tedros had put himself in a bad situation by taking hostages and jailing them in Meqdela, his hilltop capital. Gobezie had passed by that village on his way to Addis Abeba with his uncle.

            The Queen of England had dispatched Rassam, a British subject of Iraqi origin, to negotiate the release of the hostages, but Tedros took him hostage as well, and wouldn’t budge.
            Unknowingly, Tedros had called for an invasion of his country by the British army—probably the first military invasion of a country to free hostages in modern times.

            An expedition under the command of General Napier arrived from India and landed at the Red Sea coast, at Zula, ancient Adulis. They built a railway to Segeneiti on the plateau beyond, passed through Tigrai in northern Abyssinia with the full cooperation of Degiat Kassa, a warlord of the region, and marched with elephants, mules and horses, all the way to Meqdela, Tedros’ straw-hut dotted capital city. They attacked it. Tedros’ prized-weapon, the cannon he forced his hostages to fabricate and which he baptized Sevastopol, failed. Angry, the erratic Tedros pushed hundreds of his soldiers over the cliffs to their death, a punishment for not fighting gallantly, for failing to defeat the invaders. He barricaded himself on the hilltop; the British soldiers stormed Meqdela, went straight to Tedros’ tent and found him dead. He had swallowed a bullet from his own pistol, a gift from Queen Victoria in better times.

            General Napier had reversed course and headed north with his invading army, towards the Red Sea. Gobezie’s uncle wondered: “Any place the Europeans invaded, they stayed as colonizers; the British expedition didn’t occupy Abyssinia. I still do not understand why!”

            *from chapter 2 entitled ‘The Village Of Wehni-Ber’ from the book, “Of Kings And Bandits”

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Sorry, I have to ask this silly question
            What is Addis Ababa doing in this story? As far as I know Addis Ababa was established by Menelik. In short, there was no Addis Ababa at that time.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Abi,
            That is a background story of Gobezie, born and raised around the are and who later studied at the Haile Sellasie University.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            Thanks. It is clear now.

          • Amde

            Selam Saleh Johar

            Thank you sir.

            What – ifs. Still strange why they decided not to stay. I guess this was the 1860s, and the trade with India was all the rage, The mountains of Ethiopia were just too poor, and offered no obvious commodity worth the trouble of pacifying the population for.

            Nuts or not, Tewodros is still a romantic figure. What would have happened had he decided to release his hostages and get the skills he needed the old way, i.e. hire willing smelters and gun smiths? This is where he needed the patience and cunning of Menelik.

            Amde

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat Amde,

            The Bartender asks:
            What will you have to drink?
            The Three look at one and then back at the Bartender with the are you serious look.
            Bartender says, yeah okay Three Tears it will be.
            Then Issayas looks at the others and says: Hey, Ya’ll want some grub? Bartender interjects with: “We are fresh out of Children.”
            Wump wump.
            tSAtSE

          • Amde

            Selam GitSAtSE

            Oh snap…

            Why is the fourth missing and who is he?

            Isaias, Mengstu, Tewodros and Stalin walk into a bar..
            The Bartender asks,
            what will it be?

            Isayyas picks up a bottle and smashes the bartender’s head.
            Mengstu says, “ante sewye yamihal ende?”
            Isayyas picks up a bottle and smashes Mengstu’s head.
            Stalin picks up a bottle, hands it to Tewodros and points to Isayyas.
            Tewodros smashes Isayyas’ head.
            Stalin nods appreciatively.
            Tewodros stabs himself with the bottle.
            Stalin takes a sip of vodka.
            Isayyas gets up, picks up another bottle, and smashes Stalin’s head.

            THEN he looks for children to eat.

          • GitSAtSE

            Selamat Amde,

            Wolverines! X!

            tSAtSE

          • GitSAtSE

            Yo Amde,

            Where do you see one missing? Dummu Dummu!
            It’s like After 789, you are left with SEVEN.
            Please think it with MaHmuuday SaliH.

            1974 should rewind to 1972. I think I need to consult with Paulos.

            I am in “Halib beletini FaTma Zahra, laaaolloy wellalina…”
            Dib Aqurdett Baburai.
            tSAtSE

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello envision,

            Although there are several variables I ponder about often, your third paragraph summarizes a good portion of my thoughts as well. Many years before TPLF was born, Sihul, Awate, and Aboy Weldeab Weldemariam had discussed it very openly. I believe it failed because Sihul couldn’t accept the secession element of it while Aboy Weldeab and Awate couldn’t settle for less. How that earlier relationship could have influenced the later ELF-TPLF-EPLF relationships is open for debate, but the Tigrinyas vs. Shewa element was however, always there.

          • envision

            Hi Fanti,
            I would be very interested if you could elaborate on “Sihul, Awate, and Aboy Weldeab Weldemariam had discussed it very openly”. This is something I am totally unaware of. What specific points did they raise? The resentment against Shewa and thus against modern Ethiopia is so deep and, I think, it will continue. The North (Tigray-Eritrea) has always been the centre/ most important part of ancient Ethiopia until the Shewa-Italy disaster fell on it. Shewa not only usurped power at the cost of selling todays’ Eritrea, but also disregarded the core of Ethiopia in favour of expansion in the south. That act has been the political problem of the horn of Africa for more than a century now and it continues. Even the current internationally recognised border between Eritrea and Ethiopia is no solution. The political sin committed by Shewa is so biblical that it is passed from generation to generation until a messiah comes and atones for that cardinal sin.

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            Wouldn’t you say the reason particularly Menelik opted not to pursue the Italians beyond Tigrai was based on pragmatic calculations where it was not logistically tenable as opposed to as you alluded he chose to divert his attention to the South instead?

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Paulos, I also think that Menilik had figured out in the long run the odds were against him. But, alas, /sorry Ethiopians, had the Italians won over Menelik, or the other way round, who knows, may be would have been spared much of the suffering that we have endured all of us?

          • Paulos

            Abraham,

            Very true. We wouldn’t have been talking about it. History about could-have-beens is interesting.

          • envision

            Hi Paulos,
            Absolutely not. Meneilik’s number one aim was to eliminate political competition from the north by 1) dividing the north and weakening them and 2) denying the divided “Tigrewoch” any access to arms by striking a deal with Italy. It was Menelik who invited the Italians to climb up to Asmera and later to occupy more lands. Meneilk has made these things clear in his communications with Italy during the reign of Yohaness and later. Do you even know that he wrote a letter to Italy where he said he would avenge the battle of Dogalil on behalf of Italy?

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            True in the sense that Menelik overtly or tacitly made a pact so to speak with the Italians in a bid to weaken Yohannes but if my reading of the critical events is correct, when Menelik chose not to persue the Italians, Yohannes had been long dead. As such, your reasoning as in the cunning maneuver displayed by Menelik seems misplaced vis-a-vis the Italians.

          • envision

            Hi Paulos,
            Meneilik did not see Yohaness only as a competitor, but the entire “tigrewoch”. As such his mechanisation was long-term. Remeber back then Shewans did not even consider themselves as Ethiopians, they were forced to be. It was only after Meneilik saw that he had a chance to rule a bigger area that he decided to be Ethiopian. But he remained a staunch enemy of the core Ethiopia and its institutions. For example he abandoned a millennial-old tradition of being crowned in Axum, embezzled its heritage (stole books and tabots), set Tigrai against itself, took lands from Tigrai and gave it to other regions, etc. He was scared of “Tigrewoch” to death and he tried to destroy historic Ethiopia by any means possible.

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            I think we are veering off into totally different issue. My question was or my point was that the reason Menelik chose not to go after the Italians after 1896 was for practical considerations as again it was logistically untenable. Yohannes died in 1889 and obviously the reason was not to sell the latter out. Incidentally, one of the ideological bulwark if you will that was forwarded during the struggle for Eritrean independence was that, the reason Menelik decided not to go after the Italians beyond Tigrai was because he considered Eritrea as an independent entity where again it was the talking point to justify the struggle which by the way is not historically factual.

          • envision

            Hi Paulos,
            And I am saying that it was never about logistical problems. It was a very deliberate and considered act. The logistical thing is the beautified shewan-written Ethiopian history.

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            I disagree but in any case a new and I should add a one of its kind–a well researched book is out. Tittle is, “The Battle Of Adwa.” What is so unique about this particular book is that, the author Raymond Jonas was able to get an access to the letters that was corresponded between the prisoners of the war where it gave him not only a new insight but a walk through the anxieties and challenges of the main actors of the war including Menelik, Ras Mekonen among others. I am sure what we are discussing here is highlighted in it as well.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            Thanks. Can’t wait to read this book.

          • Paulos

            Hey Abi,

            It is probably the best book ever written about the war. It is a must.

          • envision

            Hi Paulos,
            It is good to read; you might get something, but trust me there is a lot that is not shown to foreign writers. Besides the man you are talking about is only writing from the accepted line, that is the glorification of the battle of Adwa. It is the usual insult against Africans in that it assumes defeating a newly-assempbed weak Italy was a great feat by black Africa. For us, it is not the first time to defeat whites, nor was Adwa politically useful victory, but a beginning of non-stop suffering.

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            That of course is another topic for another day. And was great reading your comments. Please grace us with your presence more often.

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            I like to borrow Kokobe’s phrase to say “I love you”.
            You are as brave as Emye himself.

          • Paulos

            Same here Abinetachin!

          • Selam envision,
            How do you characterize those (the very few) black africans, who accepted with open arms the white colonizer, fought and died on the side of the colonizer, be it in ethiopia, somalia or libya, and even continued to fight a guerilla war to preserve colonialism after italy’s defeat after ww2? What do you say of those who unlike the rest of africans (even the world) do not appreciate the importance of the battle of adwa, because they were on the side of the defeated party, and in addition, contrary to what most historians say, they do not accept the fact that adwa became the beacon for african struggle to shake off colonialism, because unlike most africans they did not perceive colonialism as an anathema and an evil conspiracy of white people against africans, asians, and others? How weak were italian invaders who came with cannons and thousands of askaris fighting on their side against other africans, who were armed with few thousand rifles? Even the battle of dogali is depicted as a battle between ethiopia and the invading italian colonialists. You say that it is not the first time for you to defeat whites, when and where was it?

          • Abi

            Hi Horizon
            I just finished listening to the interview of the author Paul referred ( Raymond Jonas) at Harvard university.
            It makes you proud that Emye Ethiopia had a leader like Emye Menelik.
            “ሚንሊክ ወንድ ነው በሴት የሚጠራ!” አለች ዘፋኝ

          • Dear Abi,
            There are also some people who accuse Menelik II that he had said that he was a “white man”. From what i read, in fact, it was an american newspaper of the time that tried to explain the news of the defeat of italians at adwa that wrote, if he indeed has defeated white colonialists, he must be himself a white man, because no black people could ever defeat white colonialists. The fate of black people, they believed, was to accept to be ruled by the superior white race. this was in america of the 1896, where slavery was yet on the minds and psych of those who used to own slaves or stood with slavery as an ideology.

          • Paulos

            Selam Horizon,

            I would like to point out a couple of things regarding Menelik being a “White Man” and the obvious misconception that was carried with it.

            The single most influential philosopher of the 19th century was the British polymath Herbert Spencer who coined the famous “Survival of the fittest” after he read Charles Darwin’s work, also commanded intellectual weight on the architects of “The Scramble for Africa” when he internalized the very tenets of Evolution into the nature and dynamics of a society as he called it Social Darwinism with a subset of Eugenics (read: pure race). With in this historical and intellectual backdrop, one can weigh in the reflection and attitude of the colonialists towards the “subjects” as in Africans. Here is the interesting thing, right after the defeat of the Italians in 1896, the then accepted credo of Social Darwimism was compromised and the white colonialists could not come to terms with the defeat and assumed that “Ethiopians must had been Caucasians” with in the past of evolutionary time line otherwise they couldn’t have defeated the Italians. That was precisely the reason with the wide spread rumor of Menilik being “A White Man.”

          • envision

            Hi Paulos,
            That is actually not true. Menelik indeed said he is not a Negro, but a Caucasian. He said that, for example, to Haitian fighters who visited him to seek his help in their fight. What you said about some Europeans ascribing whiteness to Ethiopians is also true.

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            The only Haitian that I read of who visited him and stayed with him was a physician and of course he had his own misgivings about Menilik simply because he expected the same reception and equal treatment Menelik accorded to the Whites.

          • envision

            Hi Paulos,
            I am not sure whether he was a physician by profession, but his visit was certainly in his capacity as a fighter. The source of the information on Menelik being Caucasian comes from Robert P. Skinner, an American diplomat who helped start Ethiopian-American relations. Robert P. Skinner quotes Menelik’s response to the Haitian’s request for Menelik to help the fight of Negro thus:
            “The negro should be uplifted, .. but in coming to me to take the leadership, you are knocking at the wrong door, so to speak. You know, I am not a negro at all: I am a Caucasian.”

          • Paulos

            Envision,

            The meaning is with in the context where Menelik said that not because he was genetically or phenotypically Caucasian which is absolutely absurd but he asserted that because he owned slaves among other things.

          • envision

            Hi Paulos,
            That is interpretation. We do not know. There are several questions about this. First is it really true he said that or was it an exaggeration of the general view in Ethiopia that Ethiopians are not black like other blacks. Second, some people claim that Menelik actually knew the difference between the slave (which he had in abundance) and the Negro (which meant black). It is open for debate.

          • Paulos

            Envision,

            Open for a debate that I agree. Will “talk” later. Happy Saturday.

          • envision

            Paulos,
            Speaking of Menelik’s whiteness, there is one interesting painting that depicts him and his wife as white. Links seem to be not allowed, but let me try anyway. https://www.facebook.com/shumeteyared/photos/a.1411516902512151.1073741828.1381171442213364/1529977397332767/?type=3&theater

          • Hayat Adem

            Abi and Amde
            There is one book written by Emil someone. The book was written in the 1920s/or may be 30s. It is a well written book and maybe authenticate as well since it is very close to the times it was describing. But there are strange notes in it that defy the conventional wisdom. Examples: 1) Emp Tewedros sent a love letter to The Queen when they were both widows and when she ignored him, he started shackling British men who were working with him; 2) Taytu poisoned Minilik when she knew he had a different person in mind from hers for the throne, 3) Hailesilassie literally stole power though palace intrigue etc..

          • Dear Hayat Adem,
            Until Abi and Amde come with more informations, it is said that menelik ii had suffered a massive stroke and was incapacitated and could not rule and died within the same year. Emperor Tewodros had more or less lost control over the region he ruled except a small area, due to the many revolts he faced, and he was looking for support from foreign powers, and a romance letter to queen victoria could be one of the ways he tried to gain support. HS was a shrewd politician, and it is said that he ascended to power in a shrewd way.

          • Paulos

            Horizon,

            True in fact Tewodros is believed to have said in the letter to Queen Victoria, “Ethiopia is my wife and Britain my betrothal.”

          • Amde

            Selam Hayat,

            Taytu was one of the most connected political figures in the Ethiopian north. Were she a man, she would have had sufficient pedigree and blood ties to many of the princely famiiles of the north to claim the throne of Nigiste-Negestat for herself.

            She not only had the blood lines, she was a feared political player in her own right. One story I heard, was that all the Rases and Dejazmaches and Kings, whenever they heard of her, they and loathed her and thought to themselves, “She is manipulative and cruel, how can I save myself from her?” Menelik heard of her and thought to himself, “She is manipulative and cruel, how can I make her mine?”

            She definitely had ambition. But to poison Menelik? I doubt she needed to. He had a stroke and was incapacitated.

            Amde

          • Abi

            Hi Abbyisinian Queen
            Hailesilassie was thrown away as far as possible by Lij Eyasu. He was in Harar. His connection to the throne was cut when his father ( Mekonnen) died.
            In my opinion it is Abba Mella ( Fitawrari Habtegiorgis Dinegde) stole the throne for him. He was surprised when he was called back from Harar to be Alga Werash. By then Lij Eyasu was already in prison, Zewditu became Queen. Abba Mella was one of the most feared and respected personalities at that time. He was an Oromo by ethnicity who ascended to be the Defence minister at that time. He was a slave at the Menelik palace. Talk about a success story.
            It was easy for Alga Werash Teferi to become the King later on.
            Abba Mella was the King Maker.

          • Hayat Adem

            Oh envision,
            Welcome. Where have you been!
            Hayat

          • envision

            Hi Hayat,
            Thank you.

          • Amde

            Selam envision,

            I find the old detective book stand by on solving crimes, “Means-Motives-Opportunity” quite useful as a framework for understanding. People who are historians, political ideologues, philosophers and what have you focus on the Motives part.

            Napoleon’s famous dictum, “An army marches on its stomach” makes Logistics the queen of war. That is the Means part.

            Menelik left his entire kingdom undefended to gather all the Kings and Rases, those that loved him and loathed him alike, to march north to face the Italians. What would be the reason for that unless he had expulsion as a serious motive? Remember, he could have built a defensive line somewhere in Tigray and negotiated with the Italians. If division of the Tigrinya speakers was his motive, that would have made the most sense. It accomplishes his goal with minimal waste on his end. Menelik was ambitious but not a needless war monger.

            Amde

          • envision

            Selam Amde,
            This logistics argument is pure invention by Shewan historians to beautify Menelik’s otherwise ugly deeds. To begin with, armies in those days fed themselves from the people where they are at. Second Menelik went to war because Italy did not honor the treaty of Wuchale by marching past Tigrai To Wollo-Shewa. So he fought until the previously-agreed boundary. Notice that Menelik sold todays’ Eritrea way before the battle of Adwa, and not once but several times. And days after the battle of Adwa, he again confirmed the sale in what is called the treaty of Addis Abeba. Italy was in East Africa upon the invitation of Menelik.

            Menelik is extraordinary in that he is the first Ethiopian leader to sell lands for ammunition and money, to conspire with foreigners against his country (Tedros, Yohannes). To be fair, he never saw himself as an Ethiopian until he saw an opportunity to be a king, but as a Shewan. Donald Levine says about Menelik: “As a first time event, Emperor Menilek’s cession of the Bogos highlands to Italy in 1889 has been described as historic, as the first time that an Ethiopian ruler ever voluntarily ceded territory to a foreign power”.

            I encourage you to dig into the exchange of letters with Italy, the dealings of Ras Mekonen with Italy, the treaty of Wuchale and the timing of the other treaties and their contents. You compare that with what you learn in official history of Ethiopia, you will be astonished by the distortion. I encourage you to read this article by Tecola Worku as a starting point: KING SAHLE SELASSIE, EMPEROR MENILIK II, AND THE BETRAYAL OF ETHIOPIA

          • Abi

            Hi Paul
            The reason Menelik didn’t go all the way to Eritrea was because his army depleted due to the cholera epidemic. It is known as Yehidar beshita.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abi,

            True among other things. Thank you!

          • saay7

            Abiyotawi:

            So that was “War In The Time of Cholera”? 🙂

            saay

          • Abi

            እንዴ ጌታው ! ከየት ተገኙ?
            Saay, war everywhere every time. Cholera or not.
            In Ethiopia there is a culture where we collect and burn trash on ህዳር 12 . It is kind of in memory of the cholera epidemic.
            The exact wording is “ህዳር ሲታጠን”
            It is like a holiday.

          • saay7

            Abi,

            Hmmm. It appears the logic extension of this culture is ታህሳስ ሲሽትት

            Fantiness once told us that in his hood, Raya-Azebo, his people rebel and raise arms for no reason at all. Sakt

            saay

          • Abi

            Saaytanish
            Let’s extend it a bit
            ጥር ሲጠረጥር ፣ የካቲት ይከካል
            መጋቢት ሲመግብ ሚያዚያ ይመዘምዛል
            ግንቦት ሲያግሞተሙት በሰኔ ይዘንባል
            ሀምሌ ሲያልም ነሀሴ ይሰክናል
            እኛ እንደመሸብን መስከረም ይጠባል::

            It is not only in Fantish hood. It is all over Tigremidir people rebel for no reason. Sakt Tirayilka!

          • Abi

            Hi envision
            I read something to this effect long time ago. To begin with Menelik was hesitant to rule over the Tigrewoch. It is his wife or may be his close confidants pushed him. I think Etege Taytu said to him ( again it could be one of his close confidants )
            ” ትግሬንማ ካልገዙ የጋላ ንጉስ ሆነው ይቀራሉ”

          • envision

            Hi Abi,
            That is true. But I thought it was his daughter, zewditu, who convinced him not to give the entire Tigrai away, citing that, without a connection to Axum, his legitimacy was in question. He was an extraordinary coward who pied in his paints at the sight of seeing a “Tigree”.

          • Abi

            Hi envision
            No Sir
            Emye was extremely smart , a shroud diplomat, extremely enlightened…. There is no adjective to describe him.
            Emye was a visionary in deed!!!!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abisha,
            Although I am feeling an enormous guilt for jamming the site with innuendos, I will share my “laughing secret” with you and then I will sign off for a while. Paulos gnogno’s Atse Minelik’s domestic letters #78:
            ደጃች ብሩ ኣምስት መቶ ብር ከባላገር የኔም አሽከር ሳይቀር አስወጥቶት አገር አጠፋ፤ ደጃች ኣብርሃም መልስ ብሎ ቢልክበት አልመልስም አለ ብሎ ሹም ኣጋሜ ደስታ ልኮብኛልና ይህንን እንድታስመልስ ይሁን…
            It gets me every time.
            Chao.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            I read an article in ጦቢያ magazine where Meles sent a hand written letter to Isayas saying something like ገንዘብ ልንቀይር ስለሆነ አንተ ጋር ያለውን ገንዘብ እንዲያመጣ ወዲ (?) ልኬዋለሁና ቆጥረህ ላክ::
            Some things never change.

          • Paulos

            Selam Envision,

            Not sure where you’re getting the info on Menelik’s “frailty” from. Here is what one of the prisoners of war (read: Italian) wrote, “Zewditu was feared, Menelik was respected” and of course by the Tigreans as well.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello envision,

            I sure will, but I may open a Pandora’s box with it though.
            We will talk soon.

          • envision

            Hi Fanti,
            Please enlighten me. I urge you.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello envision,

            Did you get any sleep? Haha.

            In the very early sixities, there was a secretive campaign of Tigrean Awareness Movement by the name of “Bahli Tigray.” I knew about Bahli Tigray, minus the politics, because a small section of my relatives had an innocent role in it.

            As I eventually learned that Sihul used to secretly meet with Awate, they were friends by the way, which is interesting on its own for many reasons, I never associated the Bahli Tigray movement with Sihul because I didn’t know he and a couple of others started the movement.

            At the helm of the Bahli Tigray movement was Sihul. The first time he and his companions organized that movement was soon after he came back from one of his secret meetings with Awate. In the context I can recall about this part it is clear to me that it may have been Awate’s suggestion with full agreement by Sihul that he (Sihul) should start slow and establish a Tigrean awareness first before delving into an armed struggle.

            Aboy Weldeab’s advocacy for the retention and expansion of Tigrigna language is of course legendary, but when Sihul consulted with him, in their last meeting (1953) about the formation of a Tigrean resistance against “Haile Selassie oppression,” Aboy Weldeab rather insisted on the formation of “a strong Tigrai-Tigrigni northern nation” Alewuha-Angereb milash being as the southern most boundaries.

            Soon after Aboy Weldeab recovered from one of his several assassination attempts, end of 1953, he was exiled to Egypt, and I don’t think they ever met since. However, Sihul’s relationship with Awate did continue until Awate’s unfortunate early death of 1962.

            Aboy Weldeab’s fear/contempt/suspicion/mistrust of the “Shewa Dynasty,” and Sihul’s belief in Eritrean Ethiopian-ness, let alone to contemplate for the separation of Tigray from Ethiopia, are both open secrets, but what is intriguing is why Sihul’s radical “Ethiopiawinet” never spoiled his friendship with Awate. Could their friendship have started as early as during their childhood since they both were born in two “awrajas” next to one another? How strong/close was their friendship? Was Awate a lot more open minded than Aboy Weldeab in this regard? Did Sihul, perhaps down played the topic with Awate to avoid risking the friendship? The questions go on, but I don’t have concrete answers.

            So, here you are. There never was during or since as strong proponent of the “Tigrai-Tigrigni” nation as Aboy Weldeab was. Although many innocent by-standers attempt to make it a TPLF-Tigrean issue, it was Aboy Weldeab’s brainchild hook line and sinker. To be fair though, there were some individuals in the early TPLF hierarchy who revisited that idea, including distributing a publication to that effect, but it died quickly for lack of support. It is almost a curse, the idea never takes root but it never dies either. Although Awate, Sihul, and Aboy Weldeab all believed on the “Shewa Oppression” it seems that all three entertained three different solutions for it.

            PS:
            There is an interesting drama regarding EPLF’s contempt for Sihul, which ultimately raises several questions about the extent of Sihul’s relationship with Awate, but it is a long and twisted road. I had to mention it here to pre-empt potential follow up questions I will try my best to not answer. Sorry if I raised your hopes too high, but that is all I have.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            የአሉላ ልጆች ተዋርደው
            አገር ፍለጋ ቆላ ወርደው
            ላይካካዱ በየወንዙ ተማምለው
            አጋም ከቀጋ ተቃቅፈው
            ኮኮባቸው ገጥሞ ቀንቷቸው
            ከተማ ገቡ በተራቸው
            ከተማው ግራ አጋብቷቸው
            ብቅል አንጎላቸውን አዙሯቸው
            ቁንጣን ሆዳቸውን ቢነፋቸው
            እጦር ሜዳ መለሳቸው
            እኛም ታዘብናቸው
            ምህረቱን ያምጣላቸው

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            እዝጊኦ መሓረነ ክርስቶስ፤ ኣሜን፤፤

          • envision

            Hi Fanti,
            Thank you so much. Yes, you did indeed raise my expectation a bit when you said they “discussed it openly”. It is nevertheless a very informative post. It is my first time to learn that Sihul has any friendship with Weldeab, much less with Awate. It is all possible that Awate and Sihul have a shared vision as well. Sometimes we see things with today’s lenses and events seem unlikely, but it is all possible. Sorry for, again requesting, but would you be able to point me to the EPLF drama, if available in any form? I feel a bit uneasy asking you for you seem to censor yourself a lot.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello envision,

            True, the “discussed it openly” seemed a little too much, but the reality is actually closer than I made it out to be. The two points in my earlier post were 1) there was an open Shewa Vs. Tigray (north if you will) discussion, and 2) Sihul, the least credited, but founder and instigator of recent Tigray movements indeed consulted with Awate immediately before coming up with “Bahli Tigray.” I don’t think that is a coincidence. However, I skipped a few background items regarding Aboy Weldeab’s frequent statement about his desire to unite the Tigrinyas, which would farther strengthen the point above, but I though it was a well know fact by most.

            Regarding Sihul’s relationship with Awate is the one well kept secret and I absolutely have no idea why. What may have contributed to the hush-hush in part, at least on the Tigray side, is perhaps due to Sihul’s popularity early on and TPLF feared that the struggle might be mistaken for an individual’s campaign especially since he was a government official at one point and of course a feudal (mind you, that was the era of HS, EDU, and Mengesha Seyoum).

            If you sensed self censoring it could be because I am trying to avoid mixing my own opinions with the facts I can prove, and I am also trying to not make it a history lesson.

            For example, observe the following.

            EPLF-Sihul drama I now wish didn’t mention revolves around Tegedalay Jamaica. How, why, and when he joined TPLF occasionally invited two opposing opinions. One of those is that he was send by EPLF to spy on TPLF because EPLF did not trust Sihul. Although EPLF’s contempt for Sihul was not a secret, but their reasoning was a mixture of truth (he did not support Eritrean “secession”), and an utter contradiction (he is feudal and a DERG spy). Ironically DERG was looking for him allover Tigray to kill him at the time.

            What makes this EPLF obsession with Sihul unique is that at the time EPLF didn’t censor anyone for their political ideology as long as they were fighting DERG. The only reason I can think of is his connection with Awate and by implication ELF, which brings the short lived ማ. ገ. ብ. ት. (ማሕበ ር ገስገስቲ ብሄረ ትግራይ) roughly, Union of Progressive Tigrian’s Front, well educated but feudal group, into the mix.

            Notice where this is going and how much more we would have to talk to explain: who was ማ. ገ. ብ. ት., what was their relationship with TPLF, what was the nature of ELF-TPLF early relationship, why do some Ethiopians still accuse TPLF of having planned secession in the beginning, are a few of the examples I was afraid of getting into.

          • envision

            Hi Fanti,
            Thank you very much. Very good. I understand your reservations, but please continue to share with us what you know. Jemaica in the interview in question blurs the distinction between him being sent to spy and him going to fight with TPLF for he makes the spying a precondition for him and EPLF to work with TPLF.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam envision,

            Is he talking about this in the interview Paulos mentioned a few days ago? I was planning to listen to it on Wednesday, but I will do that tomorrow and I will post if there is anything worth mentioning. I don’t think the charges against him on the spying are true, but I may express my opinion about that part and supporting evidence to why I don’t think so.

          • envision

            Hi Fanti,
            Yes in that interview Paulos talked about. Given your connection to the story, you might find it interesting. I would be happy to hear your views on the contents of the interview.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello envision,

            It was a nice interview. Everything he said after the first year of TPLF relevant to our discussion is the same as what I know. Everything before that also is similar to what I mostly heard.

            One thing I was glad is now on record is however how ELF was very helpful and cooperative in the beginning. Our region seems to have a culture of fading history away depending whether a relationship progressed or digressed.

            Another very interesting discovery was also his having met Aboy Tewelde and Isaias together in the same office in Aden which adds salt to the wound. however, there was one key event involving Jamaica in the first year +, in which, had he been a spy for EPLF couldn’t have happened.

            Bottom line: still probable causes but too little facts to make any “spying” charges by EPLF.
            You too, share if you know or discover anything else.

          • Amde

            Selam envision,

            You should visit more often.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Amde,Envision, & Ghezae,

            Let alone in politics, there is such an understanding, at least in Eritrean society, that if the first kid in a family is good in school, his/her sibling will follow suit. So Family or family lineage and pedigree has a lot to do with politics as it is in many things.

            Regards

    • Nitricc

      Hey P: I am Wondering where you draw the line of decency and credibility. As you are a celebrated Biochemist; it shouldn’t matter where one person belongs or what tribe might be. according to human genome in which you seem to be very interested; we all are humans and we share humanity as such with distinct DNA. I am American not that i am white or descended from Europe, but i was born in the USA and i become an American, if not i am just black monkey African. The point i am trying to make is as along as one is born in a certain country, by berth, that person is a citizen of that country. If PIA is born in Eritrea, that is enough for me. Once asked you why you are so passionate about tigrayans more than the Eritreans and your answer was that growing up in your household, you witnessed how the Tegaru were mistreated and humiliated since that time you came to support the Tigriyans at all cost. As intelligent as you are don’t you owe it to your character and credibility to stand up to the Tigryans when this time around the Tigryans not only humiliating and mistreating the Oromo and the Amhara but right down massacring massacring them in broad daylight and you haven’t said a word against the Tigryans crime; why? I know when it is between Eritreans and Tigryans, no matter what you are going to side with Tigryans but if your support of the Tigryans is out of principles why shared that principle now? P, I love you but your credibility is suffering to its lowest point. The Tigryans are murdering every one right and left and you are on the record supporting killers.

      • Paulos

        Nitrikay Nitrikay Nitrikay,

        I love you too ma lil bro. Here is the deal though: Isaias is not an ordinary Eritrean. He dedicated a better part of his life for a cause only known to him where the rest of us see it as Eritrean independence. To be more precise, there is no an iota of doubt that he is an Eritrean. Why does the blood line of Isaias becomes not only an issue but makes us uncomfortable then? Well as I see it, it becomes murky and convoluted if you will for we don’t have concrete justification when we are confronted with pertinent questions as in if the struggle for independence was necessary particularly given the current Eritrean socio-political realities.

        I sure did spoke out when the unnecessary killings took place in Ethiopia but my concern was not as you put it Tigreans hunting down other nationalities for that is a hyperbole to say the least.

        • GitSAtSE

          Selamat (I)Paulos,

          Man! Suddenly I found my self steering at a bell, you know katcHil. Only I am twirling a one of those loadable lead pencils and the bell us a curve with thin rectangs my eyes are going up.and down, up and down.
          Where is Mr. “Enigma” iSEM? Can you integrate a convoluted integral?
          Convoluted? Doesn’t sound like it can be.
          Well, the Macchiato on one of those huge rimed porcelain mugs have the the size of your mug was getting cold quick.
          The gentlemen PhD Chemist, a product of Israel’s Yeshivas and a Tigraway, some how we catch each other’s presence and a coffee here a coffee therw and Aroh con pollo grubing here and cosher pickled and roasted mutton meat and Rye Bread, yada yada yada yada… Mozeltov!
          The Alchemist PhD GE Engineer shared was a Wingate Alum and a classmate of The Late Melee Zeinawi… He flew to Bolye Airport where His School Boy mate Melee sends the driver from the Etege’s Palace.

          And then suddenly Abi(net) is walking into the Bar with TiHlo balanced on a raised hand like the Statue if Liberty, sounding like Musa Denkelay in the Movie Shaft in Africa shouting ” Below Below Below”

          Amde is looking incredulous at Stalin and the bloodied three and wondering about Badume- The Eritrean Ethiopian Crimea.

          Abi Abi Abi! Tada ke TiHli garr le mnn ye Essa enqulal ‘na Vodka ye Dnsh Dinish eniTeTa fenTaTa.

          “…and we are back at nurture Vs. nature.”

          Fanti Fanta jib Al burtukan wo rendering from GondaE.

          tes tes tes? Si vu ple mission..

          Berhe way QWE…
          tSAtSE

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Paulos, I wonder whether what we are discussing here could be somewhat related to the issues of friction between Isayas and the Central pfdj office and the G15. I remember in those times, Durue had given an interview where he said there were some issues they knew about but were not willing to release to the public for fear of damaging the national security. Also during the war, in particular, during the third Weyane offensive, there were some rumors coming out that the president and his office were interfering destructively into the affairs of the military operations, and that they were facing resistance from some generals. This issue we also came to know when people like Oqbe Abreha and Petros Solomon openly talked about them during the release of the open letter in 2001.
      What I want to say is if Isayas and co. feel some sort of inferiority complex because of their blood relationship with Tigray, probably that could trigger a desire of avenging their feeling by hurting the Eritrean people. In my view personal experience has a lot to say about some leaders’ actions in exercising their power. We know aslo that Mengistu had some negative feeligs about his looks and that he was sometimes expressing his bad feeling openly to some people. This is in addition to him experiencing very bad racism when he was sent to the US to attend military training.

      • Paulos

        Selam Abraham,

        Forty plus years after the fact hardly bothers Isaias—his Tigrean blood line to stand in his way including to have a hung up as in inferiority complex. Not sure if you have read it but I say, the best source to shed light on the questions you raised and other issues related to the war is laid out in Dan Connel’s book, “Conversation with the political prisoners.” But if I have to give my assumption as to why Isaias acted the way he acted is that, G-15 clearly understood and tacitly called him out—the reason he ignited the war was to nullify the Constitution.

    • Blue Asmara

      Salam Paulos and thanks for your comment. Thing is, I do not give a hoot about PIA’s genealogy, as it has nothing to do with his citizenship. Same can be said for Yemane Jamaica (now part owner of Raya Beer Co.) and the many other key members in the Ethiopian Government who can claim Eritrean linear genealogy. People had choices to make and live by just as they did back in the days of the U.S. Civil War. Grass straws for which you are now desperately grabbing clearly depict who you really are.

      • Paulos

        Blue Asmara,

        You don’t give a hoot ha? Great for it is good for your health. Keep it up.

  • Brhan

    Hello Fanti,
    It is a very good article where you pointed out PF(JD) policy towards the issue of Eritrean refugees in the Sudan. The regime hindered the repatriation of the refugees to Eritrea due to its fear that this will endanger its interest and power in
    Eritrea. Your article also raises another aspect of the regime policy towards the current immigration of Eritreans to the Sudan and elsewhere.

    The regime has been involved in human trafficking which became source of wealth to its high ranking military officers (like Manjus. One of the PF(JD)’s technique to enlarge the vacuum of dissidence in Eritrea is getting rid of the youth. It controls the youth under the slavery type national service program or prison. To balance its math, it also creates a space where the youth can flee. But this is business and it will allow it for those who pay. In this regard PIA has an idea that these young people even though they hate the national services they won’t hate him or his other tasks. According to some of the young persons who became the victims of brainwashing of the regime, the history of the Eritrean resistance starts with EPLF (1971) and with PIA. As result they will attend in the PF(JD) tasks specially in Guayla thus providing financial and moral support to the regime’s objectives. And some of them have put themselves in trouble in many of the Western countries because their attempt to claim protection has been mixed with their love to the same person who made them claim protection: PIA. Some are in limbo where their living in the countries of claim of protection has been jeopardized. How do you love your abuser, it is obscenity!

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Brhan, “how do you love your abuser?”, well I think that must be what they call the Stockholm syndrom. These youth have been so unlucky to grow up under the abuse, intimidations, brainwashing, and total control of the Isayas gangs that they didn’t know other world. Once they break loose of the chains of Isayas, one would expect them to totally detatch themselves from the very regime that brought enormous suffering upon them. But that is not mostly the case because the regime has extended its arms even to the ‘safe havens’ these youth arrive at. Sooner or later they want to visit their families home, they feel homesick, and then they have to deal with their abuser whether they like it or not.
      We have also to remember that as you Brhan has pointed out, many of those leaving Eritrea are also given a green light to do so as long as they are connected with the regime and could pay the money to the corrupt officials.

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Paulos,
    While they remain in their graves after they know how the heavens go, those who don’t know how the heavens go will be in heaven. Which group do you want to belong to? Who cares how the heavens go when one inside it 🙂

    • Paulos

      Selam SGJ,

      That’s funny. As they say ignorance is a bliss. It sure is true come to think of it for the price is high if one belongs to the latter. But again as one astute person like yourself (do I hear you say t”Hisho t”Hisho) said it, unexamined life is not worth living.

  • Paulos

    Selam Amde,

    I feel like I have known you—Awatistas from Adam so to speak where the common interest can not be any closer. This is swell to say the least.

    I remember in the mid 80s being a teenager in Asmara glued in to TV every Thursday to watch “Space 1999” where I was fascinated by the mutant character “Maya” and the year it was prophesied the sci-fi to turn to reality seemed far and distant. With in the fertile and at times over-active minds of Thomas Moore’s “Utopia”, then a century later H.G. Wells to Carl Sagan and my hero Isaac Asimov (over 400 books of different stripe to his credit), we see a restless being struggling to understand its world where sadly the very part of the being (read: brain-mind) is not created to understand itself. With in this perpetual contradiction and conendrum, the curious mind refuses to give in to despair but dares to step on the uncharted waters where “….no man has gone before…..” as in Jean-Luc Picard’s line in Star Trek.

    Is it alarmists’ flare up and hype or is it something the society needs to be concerned about? If I can take you back in time, vaccination was considered as tampering with nature as well where the rationale given by Pasteur and Jenner was to mobilize the immune system by sensetizing the body by injecting either dead or live microbes or viruses. Moreover, the very rationale of norms and values in ethics breaks down when one elects for epidural anesthesia for instance for the Good Book is clear when it says, “You shall give birth in sorrow and in pain.” But again the said apprehension expressed with vigor in every epoch of human history remained to be an alarmist fervor and the uneasiness about genomic editing doesn’t seem any different either. I am personally for the notion in Gaia hypothesis where Earth is an organic entity which constantly adjusts as in homeostasis to an optimal level. Sure enough, my conviction is rooted in holistic philosophical underpinnings in a sharp contrast to Cartesian reductionism where the entire scientific dogma is based on including the social sciences. As such, if there is anything that humanity need to be vexed about, it is in the modus operandi not in our daring to explore where no man has gone before.

    • Abi

      Hi Paul
      I was in high school back then when space 1999 was on Thursday 7pm. Maya was my favorite. On Fridays everybody was talking about the show. Monday night was a wrestling night. Big Daddy was my favorite. Good times everywhere including where you were.

      • Paulos

        Hey Abi,

        Yea I was in high school too and it was my fav thing even though there was no much else on TV and of course Hibret-T’rEit as well.

        • Abi

          Hi Paul
          There was absolutely nothing to watch on tv back then except Saturday soccer where Liverpool was a big deal. John Barnes, Ian Rush, Dauglish, Grobelar…
          Other than that it was all TegenTay Yiwdem! kind of shows. What s waste.

          • Paulos

            Tegentay Y’wdem? You’re so funny Abi.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Abi and Paulos,

          I don’t remember if I was in high school or middle school but I do remember the show and it was my favorite too and I remember Maya. we had a kid in our neighborhood we use to ask him, what did Maya say…and he use to say ‘Lulululululu”:).

          I also remember “home sweet home” and Enzo/ Maria…

          Berhe

          • Paulos

            Yea Berhe I remember Home-Sweet-Home too where time seems to have elapsed in a blink of an eye.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Paulos,

      Okay, we are officially friends starting one, two, three, now!
      I am a serious Start Trek fun and I studied astronomy for a few years as a hobby. But first,

      no man has gone before….James T. Kirk line in Star Trek.
      no one has gone before….Jean-Luc Picard’s line in Star Trek. (Tzigereda had grown up by then).

      Vaccine you say:

      The reason I insist and appear alarmist in any concept of gene manipulation and the likes is that we, humans, generally are not ready for some of the potential consequences of our tampering with nature.

      In the last 10,000 years all we have accomplished is “tool making.” For most part, a tool to kill one another. Trump is talking about “improving” America’s nuclear arsenal at this time and age. There are several studies to show we haven’t made any fundamental changes in our degree of intelligence ever since Lucy or Adam.

      Manipulating what we have around us to improve quality of life is great as long as we are not removing, modifying, or adding inheritable genomes irreversibly, and vaccines for example, are safe in that regard. The GE knowledge should be encouraged, but with prudence until when we are ready for application.

      • Paulos

        Selam Fantination,

        We have been friends way before you knew it.

        I sure don’t mean to split hair over details but I tend to disagree when you asserted that we haven’t gained any degree of intelligence since Lucy. Please forgive me if it was a figurative take on your part. I say, one of the panctuated epoch in the development of human intelligence is the emergence of language where we were able to conceptualize otherwise abstract notions or ideas. That again gave us more advantage over Lucy when she was still confined to a “cave” to be guided by the Philosopher-King into a day light so to speak. But along the road to enlightenment, we took a flawed approach where I think is the result to the predicament we find ourselves in. The leading Canadian philosopher John Ralston Saul (I am sure iSem and Berhe Yemen know of him for he is married to the former Governor General) calls it “Dictatorship of Reason” in his notable work, “Voltaire’s Bastards.” Right after the Age of Enlightenment, we became prisoners of reason alone devoid of intuition and common sense where again we employed reason to find solutions instead of asking pertinent questions. Moreover, as I mentioned it in passing in my previous comments, we became too resistant to other approaches including Holistic paradigm where we accepted and viewed reality around us through Newtonian mechanistic worldview which was later graduated to Cartesian reductionism. What we need is fundamental understanding where the whole (read: life in its totality) is greater than the summation of its parts.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Paulos,

          I knew you were coming back with the “degree of intelligence.”

          I see what you mean. If we evaluate ourselves in a broader scope, our “enlightenment” has never resulted in any fundamental change of humanity. We are simply doing what we used to do a little differently, a little better and/or somewhat worst in some cases. We used to walk to Chicago, then we started to drive, and now we are flying. Then or now, we are simply traveling to Chicago. That falls into the category of improving your tools I mentioned.

          This theory will ultimately take us to whether there is a God or not. The very concept of whether “hu/man” is changing or not is at the heart of a discussion that has been raging on for decades between Atheists and Believers. The central argument being that if we are truly changing we are evolving, if we are not changing then we must have been created. I don’t believe we are fundamentally changing, but the same-old, same-old folks with different set of tools.

          • Paulos

            Fantination,

            Oh, the temptation to veer off into the dichotomy between Evolution vs. Creation is irresistible but I am afraid Awatistas may be induced into the yawning mood. Will pursue say in a count of vote or if others jump in to add ideas.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selqmat Paulos,

            I whole hardheartedly, unequivocally, absolutely agree.*
            In fact I have been there before not long ago. It is the last thing I want to repeat.

            * Picard and Riker(his first officer) were out gunned and out smarted by an alien force or other who was about to take over their ship, and Picard and Riker had initiated a self-distruct command. When all was well and they survived the takeover, they had to cancel the self-distruct command. When Picard finished instructing the computer to abort, the second senior officer has to agree right? So, Will Riker, goes “Yes, absolutely, I do indeed concur wholeheartedly!” I hope you recall Picard’s face when he told Riker “a simple yes would have suficed.”

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fanti and Paulos,

            Paulos wants you to greet your ape ancestors. Don’t believe him 🙂

            Enlightenment is the key. The “ape man” was a brute with a purpose: safety, basic needs. His brutality was the money means and tools available to him. After thousands of years on evolving, and claiming to be enlightened, humanity is more brutal to fellow humans for no justifiable purpose. What evolved mores than humans is our tools and means, basically technology. We have perfected our tools and continue to de so, but our purpose in life has evolved to the worst. Now that evolving is totallly defined by tools, at least more accentuated, morality is damaged for good. That is why we get excited for an insignificant gesture of goodwill. Technology for what end purpose? That is the question because we are defined by our tools when lies, deceit, and crudity has been so accepted that we do not see anything wrong with it. Take marketing for example. It’s all institutionalized lies and deceit. A house, that is basically needed as a shelter has become an investment and not as a shelter. Anyone is free to claim their last name as Monkey, but I go with creation. 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Memhir,

            There is an old little book (140 pages) titled “Naming Day in Eden.” It is about the creation and recreation of language, but what is so remarkable about the book is the writer’s choice of words, his mastery of the English language, and his humor.

            There is a section in that book where atheists were trying to prove animals do speak, and I will paraphrase: After exhausting their examination of all animals, including force-opening up of horses’ mouths to look into their throats looking for the magic that is preventing them from speaking, they finally declared that chimpanzees do speak, but they don’t speak in front of people because they don’t want to be confused with them.

            I must have laughed for hours

          • Paulos

            Selam SGJ,

            A year or so ago I saw your picture posted on social media you sitting on bed holding a book “The Discoverers” by Daniel Boorstien, the man who holds not only considerable intellectual weight but a former president of the Library of Congress as well and I am sure you’ve read “The Seekers” as well. And I can see you retrieving your line of arguments from him and of course from others as well.

            The central question that I see to be relevant is if we as beings are good or evil by nature. Sure enough, thinkers throughout history wrestled with it where polarized school of thoughts evolved to that effect. It would be redundant to cite all of the notable personalities on both sides but what seems to pivot to is an overwhelming consensus that we humans are generally good by nature. That is the central theme in humanistic point of view where the role of God they say is irrelevant at least in a greater degree. To be more precise, we don’t need either Socrates’ moralistic dictum or the tenets of systematic religion for human beings to be good.

            Enter technology: Advancement in science and technology has helped us not only to understand our sense of existence but it has as well given us the power to live and propagate in an otherwise hostile biomass. But again, to tame our selfish instinct, we had to devise a Social-Contract so that we won’t be in a perpetual war all against all where Nitzsche cynically dismiss it as a moral value created by the “weak” to instill guilty consciousness on the “powerfull” or as he was fond of labeling it as “Superman.”

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Pauloas,

            I have not read the Seeekers, but The Creators. Boorstein isextremly good.

            I agree with your concise description of the two opposing views. My main issue is the wholesale acceptance of science and technology. A skeptic or a cynic view? Maybe. But I do not believe the iPhone was created to improve human life. Just like the man who climber Mt. Everest, and when asked what was the purpose of him climbing the tip, he reportedly said, “it there!” I believe intention defines the utility–I can never see Louis Pasteur and Steve Jobs in the same light–the former was certainly not influenced by the stock market. What is the purpose of going with a new edition of gadgets every year? That can never be for the purpose of benefiting humanity. I understand this is a tiny part of “evolution” (since we are defined by it, and we might loose the need for our fingers as some project), but how have we evolved to be this foolish, believing we need a new model-year car every year? You know what the affluent of the Middle East do? Model-year furniture. (I am focusing on consumerism and marketing because 1) it is my field, and 2) it is not a boring topic as philosophy or physics 🙂 )

            Now for one aspect of my generalized argument: while evolutionist condone that foolishness, creationists consider it vanity.

            Please Paulos, assure me vanity is not evolution of the human mind 🙂

          • Paulos

            Selam SGJ,

            I think I am getting old. I meant to say “The Creators.” I absolutely agree with you the fact that psychological manipulation is taking its toll where consumers are duped into believing that their life is better today than say last year with the release of a new version of smart phone. But to be fair, technology has made our lives much easier including the innovation of iPhone where our activities were limited with the old stationary phones. And I would give the inventors of smart phones the benefit of the doubt where it is difficult to assume the drive was solely for profit.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos and Ustaz Saleh,
            If I may be allowed to share my not so learned or so well read opinion. I think both creationism and evolution are the same in that the assumption is human beings are the better end result. I am not so sure that is the case. Who is to say that an amoeba is not having a better life than the man in whose intestine the amoeba is thriving? Didn’t the religious leaders advise people to look at the birds, they don’t sow nor reap etc. I accept that human beings are essentially good (and not evil) because animals are in fact good. Animals do not go out of their way to kill/destroy. Within their species, they would have a good fight and establish hierarchy and once established, the leader would protect his group to the best of his ability. In my opinion the animal side of human is the better side. Be it thanks to evolution or because a higher being decided to chose man, human beings ended up as selfish and destructive specie. In the words of George Carlin, it seems the only unique thing that man has contributed to the planet is plastic. As to vanity, it is still on the animal side of man. Have you seen birds preening? Now let me go to the mall, I hear there is a sale.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abrehet,

            My comment is on hold. Hope it appears sooner if at all.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Paulos, I think though we humans are good naturally, there is some evilness that sits deep inside us and it is waked up now and then. What happened in Nazi Germany and what is happening today in the USA with the election of Trump are just but two examples.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abraham,

            It is indeed a difficult question where why people do the things they do particularly the ugly historical events you mentioned. There are some theories behind it and hope expert-Awatistas could shed some light on it.

          • Amde

            Selam SGJ,

            “Anyone is free to claim their last name is Monkey, but I go with creation. :-)”

            Ergo Yemane Monkey… ( sorry couldn’t resist)

            Does a fly know there are four seasons?

            Plants don’t travel. But don’t they really?

            Sometimes change happens way too slowly for the relevant frame of time reference to apply.

            Amde

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Paulos,

          I have heard of John Ralston Saul but I have not read his books. I am not into philosophy or social science, I wish I was but hopefully sometime down the road. I am sure my good friends, iSem, Ghezae would have plenty to say.

          I must say I am quite impressed with your all rounded knowledge to almost all subjects that is being discussed.

          MS (and those who listen to CBC radio)

          One of my favorite CBC radio personality (Stuart McLean) host of vinyl cafe died today. I always meant to try see him on his tour but never got around. When listen to his radio and the story he tells, I always ask my self, what normal people occupy their daily life with, the things that they do and the things that they think about, and I try to relate to how we, Eritreans spend our lives, the things that occupy us.

          Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhe,

            Many thanks for those kind words. We all here to learn from each other. God bless!

  • GitSAtSE

    Selamat Ato Fanti Ghana,

    The Tekeze River swimming champion in backstroke, breast stroke, butterfly, individual medley, medley relay, marathon and Free Style.
    There are some suggestions of the vocal kinds and simple nods from tutors and mentors I consider to be the finest things to be savored at the moment and continuously thereafter. And the Tokhrir of the Tekeze am quite sure have every now and then ample finer things they savor each moment they rest on the river banks of Tekeze and inspect the fluid dynamics of the river flow and catch a glimpse of the Hippopotamus the Tokhrir of Northwest Ethiopia young Fanti Ghana.
    I want to pause here and nudge Noble Abi(net) and ask him if TiHlo is indeed as tasty as he has described? Though, I have several follow up questions for the gentleman, I will only indicate now that by virtue of his classy mention of TiHlo, I have decided to join the queue.
    To the forumers, the greetings and or proper address rule at the begining of each posting on this forum awatista is indeed a center Pillar of the dome. The most common address here, I guess, is “Selam”, ” MerHaba”, “Hi/hello/hey”, Haiak Allah”, ” Selamat” and “Tienna ‘stiligne” etc…
    After, a rather memorable yet Topsy Turvey like turn into this current Calander Year 2017, which is numerically equal to a Forty Five squared less Eight, (The Algebraic expression 2017 = 45^2 – 8 = 45*45 – 8 = 2,025 – 8), firstly I submitt to you, that from the fundamental foundations Pillars, the agreed upon rules/laws, one must acknowledge the necessity of tutoring at all ages, and secondly would like to commence my 2 to 8 points from my observations in Prime Time 2017 as such:

    Selamat Fanti Ghana, Yoty Topy, Amde, Abinet and awatistas et all
    I mean you all no harm and certainly not as a grain of any unintentional disrespect. As I duly note my recently gained respect for the necessity of the “Detected as Spam” posting rule from various sources at the forum, allow me to further stroke lightly my proverbial brush in these communitie’s canvas’ briefly by necessity followed by my bulleted outline of the 2 to 8 points to segway towards a solution oriented dialogues and discussions yearned by all.
    1. The Power of the Anidote:
    We are on the Fourth Week of the New Administration lead by President Donold Trump in an American Government, a Democratic Republic with very strong foundations Pillars. The Delta, three legged stool of the checks and balances, The Executive, The Legislative and The Judiciary and the ever present Fouth Estate I.e. The Press.
    Amde tells Blink, “By virtue of his work,” referring to Fanti Ghana, “he has shared the pertinent data of what our main, the main topic focus of discussions should be.” Perhaps in a more succinct “Kings College” expression. Amde’s poignant point, in a rather emphatic tutor/mentor like, and with a tinge accent of reprimand, is very respectful and profound.
    “By virtue of his work” to have access to the raw and “not a comprehensive” article, Fanti put forth as a comment originally is to be appreciated from multiple angles, the most significant one being everyone’s source of angst, I e “The Eritrean Refugees in the Sudan.” At the behest of SaliH Jojar Gadi’s select three for an impartial arbitrators, if I am not mistaken, Fanti Ghana being one, his comment’s worth of pursuing further will be measured. Here I will pause, by jumping to my 8th and concluding point, by invoking what I will call now “The Group Dynamics & Loop Theory” from earlier notes from Saay7 Vs- WITH Aya Amanuel Hidrat’s passionate and Scholarly dialogues. “The Anetdote” I would like to utilize now will be the geometric ray or 45 degrees angle triangle. The Group here being, the Forty Five Presidents of The United States of America.
    A) Pythagorean Plato A^2 + B^2 = C^2. The Three Pillars of Checks and Balances, say within a 45 miles squared miles of Capital Hill in Washington, DC respective branch of government sacred architectural halls, are in an equidistant as well as equiangle triad. The Noble and respected public servants housed in one isosceles triangle (45,45,45;°45) representing the entirety of the U.S. population who occupy the 2nd half of the 45 squared miiles real estate with full access to the halls of power with the Free Press. Thus, the Fourth estate can be argued and referred to as the Populist Voice-Free Press. After all, the half Elites heavy Chechs and Balances is for the harmonious ultimate balance of the governor and the governed.
    i) Eight is the maximum number of years The President of The United States can serve. Two terms for a total of Two Cubed.
    ii) 45 Squared Eight Years from now, Year 2025 is the longest possible length of years that the current and our 45th Commander in Chief of the United States of America President Donald Trump will serve the nation in that highest of capacities. Prime Year (2017,8,2025, 45°) Anidote is much like Boolean Algebra base 2 arithmetic with a purpose
    iii) “Mnn Beltu nachew meroTT Titow bischeleta yachenkiretutu.” Said Gash Abi(net). The word queque means “getting in line” as well as tail. Easy correlation to make. TiHlo Beltou m(H)Ambes ende ye weha Doro zemen gebtonal. Though, the Tokhrir of North Ethiopia and Tekeze circa 1972, would have dreamed Fanti Ghana to contend for swimming gold medals in Brazil, though Olympian Robel of Ethiopia respectfully ushered the dawn of the promising age for Ethiopia First by being the First “Last”.
    And towards the more pertinent issue at hand by Tekeze Champion, ” The Hippopotamus ” Fanti Ghana with a unique perspective to contemplate The Tokhrir/Falashas Ethiopians similarity to a degree with Eritrean Refugees in the Sudan. The Refugees.
    B) Blinks contentious assertions with his address to FG and later AH can be equated through a perhaps narrow prism possibly arguably in dire need of widening. No Tucking the Queue, for aerodynamic observations, say of a Cheetah or an Eagle shows the tail/Queue contributing to maximum speed by alining erect and parallel to the head. Therefore, whereas the select three arbitrators by SJG, with an open welcome for all to comment in his quest to atain understanding, took a rather the defense attorney’s approach or at best neutrality, I will strive to be the “An Eritrean who breathes with his own lungs” and argue for the merits of your coincidental timely strong positioned dissenting voice. As, a shedding the lights of sorts for Ms. Hyat Adam, I will incorporate Blink’s “The Eritrean People are participants.. ” opposition to The Hippopotamus of The Tekeze.
    Thus, let us first accept the inclussion of the word, in quotes, “Religious” as the connotation contained withing GoE and or the EPLF with regards to the reasons for averting the desired solutions for the Queue of Eritrean Refugees in the Sudan.
    Well.. .

    8. Somalia and President Abdullahi “Frmajo” MoHammed….

    The Power of Anetdote and of iSEMs and iPaulos in between.. Week Four at the Dome “To be or not to be.”
    to be continued..
    tSAtSE

  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    My apologies to Fanti..

    But I don’t think we have ever seen such a situation as what is unfolding this week.

    It looks like there is a joint effort by the US and Western European Intelligence Services to essentially nullify Trump’s presidency.

    As of last weekend, it seemed it was to get rid of Flynn. That happened Monday.

    But as of tonight, word is starting to spread that the goal appears to be to have Trump himself not just out of office, but in jail. This thing could unravel in a time period of weeks.

    Amde

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Dear Amde,
      There is a theory that the reason King Edward VIII abdicated was not necessarily only because he wanted to marry a divorcee but that MI6 had information the King engaged in certain behaviors that could cause serious embarrassment to the kingdom. Nothing new under the sun.

      • Amde

        Selam Abrehet,

        Ah King Edward VIII (I still say – vee- aye-aye-aye- in my mind),

        He was supposedly a hardcore fascist. Churchill spent WW2 worrying that the Germans had a plan to persuade him to be King. He was originally living in neutral Portugal, but as the war heated up and he kept getting visits from Nazi dignitaries and ego-strokers, this was becoming a bit of a problem. And so Churchill had him shipped out to be Governor General of the Bahamas and under very close supervision. Perhaps he took up Reggae? Nazi Reggae?

        Amde

    • GitSAtSE

      Selamat Ato Amde,

      The phrase age is relative as a point of agreement in a civil in a civil discourse amongst Two or more conversants, I am confident, you will nod the afirmitive clearance with the dignified of the upper echelon’s alum of Kings College/University of Adis Abeba, otherwise known by it’s official Kingdom Seal, which read Nuguse Negast Ras Teferi Haile Sellassie Qedemawi. Subject to correction by the beneficiaries recipients upper echelon of the time of which many engineered the overall Ethiopian Societies as Elites. Pardon the verbous intro for the purpose of acknowledging the need of a Tutor/Mentor in response to your “at what age?” That the Emporor Hailesilasie I’s legacy is amongst the tested African Statesmen by circumstances of the Globalization events from the onset of HIM’s coronation early years that lead up to the Second World War. The provocations of Facist Mussolini El Duce transgressions of the then New World Order based on mutually agreed treatises and international law, HIM persevered to stamp to Iconic Stature with dignified Majesty that is larger than his life size miniature physique. Only to be stated as the poetic justice vissual of the contrast of Haile Sellassie I the African Giant positioning as his Kingdom and Jurisdiction of the Ethiopian Empire for the purposes of positioning the globalization beast of a machine powerful momentum accelaration of the technological era. Both as a global proponent, a First Class Diplomat extraordnair as a defacto representative with his partipation in the founding of The League of Nations as his international or foreign policy strategy for HIM’s National Security, his commitment to the OAU as Regional his Regional Policy and while the modenization of Ethiopia with his Education and Championing a domestic policy that granted access the then Ethiopia’s Young inclusive of Eritrea’s with his arguably indiscriminate generous grants.
      I believe the Late Charismatic Eritrean Leader Osman SaliH Sabbe is a product Wingate Secondary in Adiss Abeba.

      General Wingate College is the Segway of the sorts to my comment now prompted by the Resignation of National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump in a record shortest tenure of a very vital and significant cabinet post.

      That, in only the Fourth Week of a grace period accorded to even the registerarion of a new car as by local municipality DMV, the effectiveness or lack thereof that is vividly displayed in the First Quarter of the inagural year of President Trump’s Administration, I would like to contend as being indicative of hasty vesting by the self proclaimed “Deal Maker” through the book he authored titled The Art of Making The Deal. “By Virtue of his Work” President Trump’s class of Business/Market Corporate Executives is the shortgains for risk averse deal makers in the Leissez-faire of their market has the obvious and nearly diametric contrasts of the long term forseight investments by the Noble Public Servants in American Government. I am therefore contending the foundations Pillars starting with the Chief of Staff Executive Branch, the Legislative and the Judiciary’s that with the Checks and Balances forces that stear a Market of the a different kind. The Fourth Estate that is the Free Press that consists of a very strong half of the perfect square, the Populist positions split evenly by the Right and the Left or the Conservatives and The Liberals that in unison are the governed by the government of Three nodes.
      1. Your Excellency Pillar X, I am kindly requesting that you put your Tutor Wig or Cap as you discover the Base X arithmetic and the algebra that that 45 does not make a perfect square, for the Pythagorean Hypotenuse C = to eqauidistant A and B of 45 unites with the square root of 2 as a multiplier. The right angle of 90° facing the longest line the hypotenuse of the judiciary branch of American Government with Nine Justices. The Conservatives majority party majority Legislative Branch will play it’s leadership role through non confirmation of President Trump’s appointees “of The Wall” with sound votes defection as they discover the common denominator colleagues of the left in representing the governed Populist that sent them to Congress in Washington.
      National Security, DOJ leading as the two corrections by the forces of the Public Service that directs them by design. Nay, MI6 and the Intelligence agencies are as fictitious woks of creativity and are as real as Kayser Soze. It is President Trump’s reasesment corrections that should and will divorce from strategy of election season maneuverings from it is Time To Actually Govern the by a Horse Nose Horse Race you have WON. Governing the entire American Population of the left and right necessitates Executive Action through Bills Proposals and not by blitzing with a not so well vested Executive Orders. The sancity of the Office of the American President commands the achievement of he or she that has been voted into office to serve with impeccable honor and deliver the echos that reverberate the sound President Trump will deliver of the periodic annual State Of the Union address. “My Fellow Americans, the State of The Union is Strong.” A divorce from pre election and post inaugiration that is not dictated by prenuptial signatures of brides and bridegrooms. President Trump will govern all the governed Americans with strong supportive arguments of the Conservative argument
      5) National Security Advisor pick Elite Navy Seal General/Admiral is an excellent restart as a replacement to General Flynn who has resigned with the full Buck Stopping with President Trump

      6) Circa year 1984, Paulos on Campo Denmark Road later to be renamed Freedom Road studied meticulously for his matriculation to benefit hopefully by Mengistu Hailemariam even if the Shengo distributed Tuition Grants to Eritreans and Ethiopians alike. His Nature of his Work will be illuminated in shorter than a half a BIT the length of of President Ronald Reagan who was elected on the respected sloagan “Make America Great Again!” The end of President Ronald Reagans first term is the year 1984. And I am willing to place a gentleman’s wager that the Ministry of Education had in place on the list of BANNED books the 1984 Titled Book by George Orwell. iSEM surely read it and I propose a let’s collaborate on a parody to contend with the Mazzungu’s tallent staff of Writers of SNL. Your “innocent immitation of GitSAtSE”, though a good effort it pails in comparison to the Captain Cheese Head Bison’s immitation that shocked the author of a Children article to read to all children. Dude, wake up and from your while in full Scrubs uniform future vissions of the free style comic relief mutual roast of the Elites. The with complementary of Freedom Fries with the French Onion Soup with choice select matured Frmajo will have a ticket price tag in Franks, Dinars, Nakfa, Bir, Pound/Jine etc after tearing down the regional self inflicting walls

      Enter Blue Asmara preceded by Blink for the Official unofficial people dialogue with South of the Tekeze and the Mereb.
      Paulos’ vetting with words like Sacitism and ” discussing Border Issue” with the tonal of sarcastic dismissiveness is from a Positionally Well of an Elite social engineer for the Eagle named Blue Asmara to soar

      This is a serious Free Press medium that opposes any marginalization. The author of my children co-authored books is a no joke stance to the always America The Great. Conservative value
      Americas Pillar foundation of Freedom of Worship and Congregation, including the the anti-religion of the Athiest religion non religion

      Yes There is and still remains for a bold comprehensive reportage and authentic stare of the religious connotations by citizen Ambassadors of Eritrean and Ethiopian “by Virtue of their chosen work.”

      Fanti Ghana has intra-African Road construction with spanning the East and West for the fair trade import export of Barley and Teff for Pounded Yams and Garri. The comparative reference points being The Eritrean Refugees in the Sudan Post Ad Ibrahim of 1967, The Eritrean/Sudanese/Ethiopian Tokhrir Refugees who stradle the Tri-State Delta Of the Tekeze, Mereb and the Nile flowing streams of a system of tributaries and stand alone rivers, UNHCR, GoE , GoEt, GoN.Su. Welcome Blue Asmara and Blink.

      The State of the Union of Eritrean Opposition is registering Strong on the measuring gages.

      The Seven Nations of predominantly Muslim population does contribute to the now Suppreme Court Bound bout with the possible abstaining of President Ronald Reagan nominated Justice Clarnce Thomas.

      French onion soup resembles a uni chop stick utensil for dipping. A Second pairing chop stick reserve made in China is a precautionary measure for the occasional No Second Dipping in the TiHlo rule.

      9) I shall answer Abi(net’s) call for the “an Eritrean Eritrean who breathes with his own Lung” in support of his Conservative arguments as a conservationists of based on Tradition and Cultural merit values education curricula design the children’s textbooks and tSintSuay works of historical novels for a sound sleap.

      10) TiHlo is a Barley based Foods that is part of the Paleo Diet, “gbs ye ehil Neguse” the staple feeding the Neguse and Noble people of the Ras of Shoa, the Emirs of Hirgigo as the Tuker Ambesas of of Gojam and the Old Center of Axum and Adwa that founded the new flower Adiss Abeba the new center in Oromia.

      The Iconic African Ras Teferi of Shoa HIM Haile Sellassie I compares only with King Edward VIII that abducated his thrown as mentioned by Abrehet. Bahamas Governorship, Ragae Music and the proximity of Jamaica is a tangential reach. Clearly HIM Majesty Haile Sellassie did NOT abdicate his crown BOUND by the Noble Obligation of Duty to the Multinational Nation.

      Abi and Blink Traditionalist intro to the innovations of the Heirs to Elite Leadership . .Oh Captain let the “Bloco” “ezi mnnal aleh” Spam rule allow the passage of TiHlo is as simulate and contribute with Free Press and media the feeds the DailyBeast, the CNN as it strives for the nutrients offered in the Two Way Information Highway that proves to all “Trade makes every body better off”
      OW, I am requesting or in the market for a Tutor in editing. Lost my copy of “Elements of Style.” How about it Ms. Hyat Adam?

      tSAtSE

  • Blue Asmara

    Salam Fanti Ghana and thanks for your article. The oldest refugee camps that I know of date back to 1948 and are in Palestine. UNHCR’s Representative in Sudan in the early 90s was Margaret O’Keefe and UNHCR’s problems with the Eritrean Government actually started in 1991 right after liberation as UNHCR still wanted to treat Eritrean operations under the umbrella of their Ethiopian office in Addis Ababa. UNHCR’s Representative in Eritrea, Karin Landgren, was declared person non grata in 1992. One must remember that following liberation, roads and general infrastructure in Eritrea were in a bit of a mess. Disagreements between the Eritrean Government and UNHCR mainly were mainly the result of UNHCR immediately pushing for large scale VOLREP while the Eritrean Government was unwilling to accommodate this unless donor monies, would in the proportion to the flow of VOLREP returnees, go to supporting Eritrea’s infrastructural needs. Number of Eritrean refugees in Sudan has always been overstated as it has included a large number of Beni Amers who have no allegiance to any border; humanitarian assistance on either side of the border having a magnet effect. To recall that a 1995 joint UNHCR, WFP & Sudanese Government revalidation exercise for Ethiopian and Eritrean refugee camps in eastern Sudan found actual number of refugees to be around 40% lower than what had been reported.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Blue Asmara,

      As I said somewhere, this report is not complete, but you are right about UNHCR. It wasn’t free of some guilt (they were a little stretched financially for one), and Sudan had it own fish to fry too. However, the low number you mentioned is a little complicated to explain. As time passed, the number of refugees reported began to change so radically it was hard to believe that many agencies could be that different from one another. At one time, there were 4 different claims ranging from 160,000 – 350,000. Most of the discrepancy was because each agency was getting conflicting guide regarding who to consider “a refugee.”

      UNHCR at one time was pushing to reduce the number substantially by excluding all refugees who registered as such before Eritrean independence, claiming the reason for their status no longer exit. That was mainly for financial reasons, but I don’t think it lasted for long. Sudan also wanted to recruit those Eritreans born in the Sudan for its own wars by making them citizens, so in one hand they inflate the number to solicit higher budget from UNHCR, and in the other deflate it again because some of them are “citizens” now, hence, illegible for the recruiting I mentioned above.

      Using the number of refugees at the camps I worked at as a sample (5 camps, but one was populated with about 90% Ethiopian refugees), subtracting those who have returned, further subtracting those who may have adapted Sudanese citizenship willingly, and before adding any number after the year 2000, my best estimate is around 300, 000.

      • Blue Asmara

        Hi Fanti Ghana and thanks for you comment. I had actually been a medical officer for a while in Eritrean and Ethiopian refugee camps in Sudan. Since we had a very good understanding of the number of children under the age of 5 years old, we also had a good understanding on likely actual populations of respective camps. WHO when doing population extrapolations, uses the under 5 year old data as an interpolate factor of between 17-to-20 percent. Meaning , that if there are 5,000 children under the age of 5 years old in one camp, the overall camp population would likely be between 25,000 to 29,400.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Blue Asmara,

          Hmm, so we are colleagues after all! I was there from 1978-1983, and if you are not a recent (too young for those years), you may have heard about the “TB Team.” That was us my friend. We specialized in Upper Tract Respiratory Infections and all we did was, home visit, diagnose Tuberculosis, treat and run to the next camp. Usually we do that in less than a year, but we stayed a couple of years in Um Seqeta.

          Speaking of WHO, the extrapolation you mentioned sounds reliable technique, but WHO and IRS operated in a very small number of camps, at least when I was there. In fact the only WHO clinic I knew was one near Gedarif in the Ethiopian refugee camp, Tewawa. Unless it was different on the northern half near Kesela, almost all clinics were run by World/Sudan Council of Churches, my employer. In either case, I wouldn’t dispute WHO’s numbers one way or another, but there are several factual UNHCR reports that led me to my estimate above.

          • Blue Asmara

            Hi Fanti Ghana. Wow. I was in the camps later than you and spent my time shuttling between Khartoum, Showak and Kassala providing surgery support to mainly refugees but also at times for host communities and Sudanese. I alway remember whenever I would stay at the Hipton Hotel in Kassala I would buy bootlegged bottles of Eritrean gin and tend to get a bit ripped and then look at the hills of Teseney and dream that I was there.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Fanti Ghana

            Wow! It is a small world. I think we’ve shared a meal. At one point, I was at the MCHC.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Semere T,

            You just reminded me the name of the clinic I called IRS in my response to Blue Asmara which actually was IRC (sorry B.Asmara & everyone).

            MCHC sounds familiar; was that the clinic in Um Gulja or the main clinic in Um Seqeta? I am terrible with names, but I knew both clinics. If you were in Um Gulja (I briefly worked there too), I used to have an unmistakable hole mark I wonder if you heard of me. I used to carry a knife around my waist (Afar style) at all times because EDU (Ethiopian Democratic Union) members hunted down TPLFites every night. Um Gulja and Tewawa were their territories.

            There was a very funny guy in Um Gulja who always refused to visit the clinic claiming he didn’t trust the “doctors” there. He is from Raya (my district), and someone told him that there was a new “doctor” from his very home town and can he please go get treated. He inquires back “the guy with the big knife?” Yes, it is said that anyone he treated has been cured, you should go. Amazed with their stupidity, he lectured them back: people listen, there are no schools in Raya beyond the fourth grade, therefore, this guy cannot be from Raya or he cannot be a doctor. Either way I am not going.

            Oh my God! You just reminded me a whole set of life I had and almost forgotten. Small world ended.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Fanti Ghana

            I’m telling you……

            If you knew a proud Tigrean Wedi-AwlaElo(?) but ዕባይ ኤርትራ – ወዑይ: ሽኦል: ሁኮተኛ…. with a good-looking Eritrean wife, his mom well known in the neighborhood (Tewawa(ba)/Um Gulja), SCC Land Rover driver……

            If you knew him or his family….. if not a meal, definitely we’ve shared ሕካያ::

            Semere Tesfai

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Semere,

            Wow, I am banging my head trying to remember names, but
            Kiros: I think his wife was from Shire, and not sure if he grew up in Eritrea (I would remember that),
            G/Selasse (wedi Hishe): Wife not Eritrean and drove mostly water tank (big truck)
            G/Eyesus: is close, but I don’t recall him as a driver. I think he was the guard at the IRC.
            Wedi Tsegai (Neguse): fits all the descriptions except he was not a driver when I was there.

            The first two are in the US now.

            I am bummed. In case it helps us narrow down our sixth-degree of separation, I was there when Tewawa was being built from the ground up. I think we left for one other refugee camp before we settled in Um Seqeta late 1980. In either case, we must have eaten from the plate, regardless. Help me if you remember more, and I will do the same.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Fanti Ghana

            Never worked at Um Gulja, but knew few people there. Among the few, the two lab techs (Eritreans) who worked there were my close friends and former comrades during Ghedli years.

            The light skinned tall Tigrean Wedi-AwlaElo(?) but ዕባይ ኤርትራ – ወዑይ: ሽኦል: ሁኮተኛ…. with a good-looking Eritrean wife, his mom well known in the neighborhood (Tewawa(ba)/Um Gulja), SCC Land Rover driver, who carried a knife all the time like you…..

            In 1983-84 he was the Land Rover driver at the Um Gulja SCC health center. If you were there then you should remember him. He moved there with his wife and had his first child there. I think his name is Mebrahtom/tu (been a while), didn’t have any brothers or sisters, he was crazy Weyanay EDU hater. Not only that…

            He was dance crazy, and we gathered many of us and danced every weekend (Friday and Saturday nights) like crazy.

            Fanti: it was pleasure conversing with you. Thank you

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Semere, it is probably Fanti you’re talking about, haha

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abraham,

            I have an alibi. I was already in Ohio in June 1983!

          • Abraham H.

            Hello Fanti, memory fades with time, let’s say Semere is talking one or two years prior to 1983, 🙂 never mind, just kidding.

          • Nitricc

            Your Fittness; the guy got a point. lol

            ” people listen, there are no schools in Raya beyond the fourth grade, therefore, this guy cannot be from Raya or he cannot be a doctor”
            I am cracking up imagining Fanti walking around with huge knife on his waist lol what good is your knife if the people you are afraid of having gun. lol Fanti and his big knife; classic. lol I wouldn’t see a doctor with a knife on his waist either. lol thanks for the lough your Fitness.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Nitriccay,

            I watered down the whole story, but most Awatistas wouldn’t believe me if I tell them the whole story anyway. I had too many relatives who were notorious trouble makers, so I was always on the look out for revenge seekers. As if that was not enough, the area was 99% EDU, extremely anti TPLF and mostly uneducated who had just lost a war agains TPLF, and I was extremely vocal TPLFite. I had no support base because everyone related to me was EDU. I only had my wits, plenty of well timed “tahdid”, and of course, very visible knife complemented with an ax after work.

            This is unbelievable! It never occurred to me I would ever be talking about this stuff.

  • MS

    Selam Awatistas
    Dear Fanti Ghana
    Thank you fir this article. Although I don’t have time to check the references you provided, the chronicled analysis you have made seems to agree with the general picture I have had on this subject. My grasp of the situation is based on anecdotal news and reports, scattered through the years, some of them fading away to the depths of memory. Your experience (your contacts with Eritrean refugees) has placed you to see things better. I have nothing to say but appreciation. I see you as someone who is against war and conflicts, as someone who wants to build bridges between peoples and cultures, based on mutual respect. If you would stay away from the familiar Eritrean internal squabbles your article would have been even better. That does not mean you should not comment in any Eritrean matter, in any way you choose. It’s only to say (and this is my humble opinion) that, when you inject what Eritrean organizations levelled against each other while discussing refugee issues, the politics steals the limelight from the human side of the topic.
    In defense of Fanti: Esteemed awatistas who find few glitches in the way Fanti narrated our peoples plight, please focus on the bigger picture. He used the qualifying phrase “right or wrong”; he is not asserting that EPLF was based on religious premises. I would argue, that angle gives his report nothing but fullness. We can’t deny the fact that many Eritreans have portrayed the EPLF, and they continue to do so even as I write this piece. If I were his editor, I would ask Fanti to at least mention the fact that some Eritreans believe that way. I would really focus on his love of humanity and his continued motivation to conduct civil discussions with us, Eritreans. Don’t we know the tension that exists between the two peoples. This is a man who called for the Ethiopian government to leave Eritrean-ruled territories. Who else Tigrean or Ethiopian do you have who stood his ground on this matter.
    The patriotic part of EPLF is seared in Eritrean minds. The political part of EPLF will mostly be judged by how much of a national potential it has squandered. As far as the claims that EPLF was based on religious grounds, I think it’s good to remember that this old and boring accusation never bore any currency. It did not help its disseminators in the seventies, not in the eighties, and it did not help them in the nineties. It certainly is not wise to use it in the current situation. It does not work.
    Thanks.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Mahmuday,

      Advice well taken brother. I do agonize about several big and small issues all the time, but it is difficult to always remember there are still land mines. Thank you boss.

    • GitSAtSE

      Hayak AllaH Ya Ustaz MaHmood SaliH,

      You know with all honesty, I am reconsidering Roy Jones’ vertical rise from Walter Weight to Heavyweight to content for “The Besy” Titled with the calibrator qualifier Pound For Pound. However, in the my return to the ring would be Sugar Ray Leanord of the early eighties. Feather weight was it, but what’s admirable most about Sugar…Mannnn! In other words I will be flashing the old gloves, betting on my arm reach alone that I can TAG MaHmooday “The Best” SaliH, Five times before he manages to lift his BIG FAT LEFT AND RIGHT ARMS. Ya MooAlemine MaHmooday wo Fanti, our heavyweights with a mutually respect for one another… Here is my attempt to wave and goad in Fat Head “Chedar” the Captain Saay7 by way of provocation on the 101 of Children Books. Crashing in with improve.. Yo Yo here is my Five TAGS of The Black, And Brown kind Measured in lbs. Are your gages gages calibrated: #####.
      What Hash Tag, Hash Browns > Gentlemen, don’t get me started. Did Semere Tesfay say his hood is safe compared to Medwni wo Guluge, Ashena baEd AL Harb BeTal. Don’t get me started on accronims WHAT! NWA, and Sugar Ray Leanord longevity had the long arm to reach DelaHoya!

      These post 80s chords on the string instrument Uud or Guitar is not for lack of, to borrow Blinks phrase, “Eritreans are part of the history and need not lectures from Fanti or any one ” Only “Logic” towards Blink is better placed in utilizing the Uni Chop Stick for Dipping into Abi(net’s) TiHlo.

      Fanti Ghana in SuQ al SheAb fi Sejana, Nas AL Felasha/Tokhrir is as well of a participant in Eritrea’s History. AL mskinn meA sekeen tebahilu. ’78 through ’81 was a Knife by a early twenties ELF fighter, snatched yours truly in Dark Thirty hour from the Angerieb into t
      my Adam’s apple for a thank goodness quick five minutes recovery of his sences. And I slipt our of the compounds hired help side into the Moon Lit Nights with the pack of African Dogs barking. LaE, adjacent to the Khartum Telata MeHaTa al Lori wo Boxi mewaselat and perpendicularly across HadiQa Park, was the Eritrean owned compound a Gedima ymkun mnn zeman Lajin senat 1967. The young ELF Vet who aforded me the shelter for the night was perturbed by the child at most age 10 sound sleeping due to exhaust of Khartum’s Shemash homeless children– Young Tokhrir’s more than likely my friends on the banks of the Nile river who I credit for teaching me how to dive and do a single flip from the platform. The knife wielding youn ELF ftewrari or tSibaH may very well be the SaHib AL Fedayin Bainac Mr
      Semere Tesfay with the 3:00 AM knife/Sakin across my neck. Wait, ya Taliban Kessela UNESCO, we crossed path in HadiQa on numerous Eid AL FeTur, Wa Eid MelaHi in HadiQa with TaErifa Giro Bike rentals.

      Our class mates tSibaH were Sejana kats. eye witnessing in Eimarat the assassination of Ajib after the further splits from Enda Sabbe. This is to say, that Dedebit and SaHil Based authentic and honest dialogue at the highest levels by the fully vested history participants. Blink us to weigh his proud Eritrean History makers as they had ample proud cultures of proud nationalities, in the times of pitch battles of all kinds. Oh yeah, if your hood is Ohaio and The Browns and Cavaliers is the color of your blood, The Late Robin Williams nervously encourages a young Soldier he had just answered he was from D-Town Detriot Lions Turf with these shakey words: “Oh your from Detroit, then you are probably used to Nam”

      What we shall measure with our respective gajes will be the level of candid participation of official and unofficial citezen Diplomats who are innovating to progress forward. Yes Buckeyes and Cleveland Rocks! Dr./Hakim Fanti Ghana as the exemplar lead better match with MaHmooday “The Best” SaliH innovative dualigue, as the Ms. Hyatt Adam would be better suited to learn Blinks perspective. She had vowed to a certain.

      Only MaHmooday, Mr. IshmaElAA and Ato MaHmood SaliH, of the pioneers ELF would object to your restricting prerequisite warning Fanti to “steer clear of the familiar Eritrean Politics.” As I would as well lest you shed more light on those points.

      And The Blink recognition of Ato Abi(net) as a participant in Eritrean History despite his Shoa/Gojam or BaHrdar klils origin’s.
      Point of data focus
      Eritrean Refugees of 1967 as a priority solution oriented innovative call by many Eritrean and Ethiopian voices.
      For now I will end with one discounting factor parameter called Vesting. In a defined benefit plan, a step Vesting discount ranges from Zero versting in increments of 20 percent.
      Blue Asmara and Dumu Dumu facing Teseney. Well, 1948 Palestinian Refugees as the longest.. but closer to home, SJG’s Ad IbraHim and 1967 of Fifty Years Mile Stone for the Definition of The Eritrean Refugees in the Sudan is 100% Vested, my 1977 exit from a dib in TurAA Teseney makes me 80 percent Vested. That is Supper or Uber with out the magician Accounting that is.

      tSAtSE

  • Paulos

    Selamat Awatistas,

    Hope I will be excused for taking you away from the otherwise engaging issue at hand to a more of out-of-the-norm zone where science and a bit of philosophy meet. The urge to jot down a point or two occurred to me after I read today an article on the fast paced research on human genome (read: editing) and its practical aspects including its ethical implications as well.

    The experts tell us that we are about to embark on Huxley’s “Brave New World” where the possibilities beyond the horizon appear to be boundless. But the nagging question still remains where the price we are about to pay could actually erode our sense of humanity as we tinker with the natural course of life.

    Human progress has advanced in a staggering pace particularly with in the last two decades in science-technology, medicine and in the pervasiveness of knowledge as well since the advent of the world wide web. Moreover, people are living longer, healthier and relatively happier where the most notable psychologist of our time Steven Pinker dubbed it the luckiest generation in human history. In a sense it is true where out of the 196 nations, only a handful are in a troubled region where the vast majority floating in a peaceful co-existence. What else can we ask for then? What is the need to change course to the extent of tampering with nature where the unknown could as well be Marry Shelley’s “Frankenstein.” Well, when the human mind is inflicted with unhinged sense of curiosity, we haven’t been able to contain certain challenges particularly in medicine where genetic editing appears to be the only alternative to go about. Certain otherwise devastating diseases such as Huntington’s among others have not only afflicted generations in particular families but has remained a mystery even to the bright minds. On a side note, evolutionists argue that diseases like Huntington’s should have been wiped out with in evolutionary time line for it doesn’t lend a hand to our survival mechanism as sickle-cell anemia is not wiped out for it helps us to resist malaria. By the same line of reasoning, we can assume that, Huntington’s ought to give a yet to be discovered advantage for our survival for it to linger this long and to withstand the merciless hand of evolution.

    Again, will the sense of curiosity to tamper with nature as in to edit human genome stop in modifying horrible diseases or will it step further in producing “designer babies”? Designer babies more stronger and intelligent than the rest of us where it could potentially alter the existing socio-economic and political dynamics. How would the rise of the “designer babies” be any different than the rise of the automation to supplant the “less efficient” humans with in the inter play of labor and capital? When these and other questions are crucial, at least in the Western world, strong ethical laws are in place and are applied with a sense of seriousness the issue deserves. The challenge is, what if genomic editing over steps its boundaries in nations where the ethical laws are lax if not none-existent? It will be a frightening world where the movie, “Gattaca” comes to mind.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Paulos,

      I will try to persuade you to stay away from the idea of Genome Editing altogether, or at least let me try to make you laugh. At the FDA’s website there is a whole section dedicated to “Treating Head Lice,” and it goes on to report that “An estimated 6 to 12 million cases of head lice infestation occur each year in the United States in children 3 to 11 years of age…” Talk about misplaced priorities!

      I am always pessimist regarding any technology that promises benefit by changing nature, but I do support the research and study now of any concept that may benefit future generations. Genome Editing is relatively new science. Some concerned US academics are advocating for genome editing moratorium to monitor and prevent its potential hasty application. I like them. In such a materialist world we will need all the precautions we can take. Imagine blue eyes genome for sale! What I am trying to say is that ግደፉና ቁማልና ነራግፍ ንቐደም፤፤

      Besides, why do we really want to live longer? If you really think about it, the longer humans live the more painful dying will be. Longer life means wider attachment which means harder to let go. If we manage to stretch our life expectancy, say, to 200 years, the last 50 will be spent in agonizing about the eventual death. My limit is 94, but I will settle for a 100.

      Thank you for the diversion.

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Hello Paulos,
        Global warming is bound to cause severe human suffering and eventual contraction in population sizes as drought/flooding cause havoc on the food chain and infectious disease spread. The rich and powerful will make sure to inhabit the safest locations on earth and will have robots to do the work for them. Hence the need for Genome Editing. To make sure they get all the perks as well as all the futures needed in the new world. On the other hand, it is also said that the reason we don’t get alien visitors is that by the time intelligent beings reach the stage where they can conduct interstellar/galactic travel, they self distract.

        And Dear Fanti Ghana,
        Wait till you see the recommendations that come from the schools after the periodic lice screening. One has to get specialized agencies that go by the name “Fairy Lice Mothers” to do the extermination and house visit before one is allowed back in the class room. It is no laughing matter. No matter how fancy you get, the mighty lice arrive everywhere. I think they exist to make us humble.

        • Blue Asmara

          Salam Abrehet Yosief and thanks for you comments. El Nino is causing all kinds havoc on the continent of Africa while populations continueto increase at an alarming rate. I also believe that El Nino is somehow impacting the willingness of host countries to be willing to continue to accommodate refugee populations. A couple of weeks ago the Tanzanian Government issued a statement that Burundians and Congolese entering into Tanzania would no longer be granted prima facia refugee status and I see that Uganda has just now released a statement indicating that they would be pushing back Burundian refugees to their country. Unfortunately, I do not see climate change effecting family planning and population growth.

      • Amde

        Selam Fanti,

        “My limit is 94, but I will settle for a 100.”

        Can I check in on you at 99 and see if you started packing up? 🙂

        Amde

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Amde,

          I won’t remember who you are, but go ahead.

        • Dear Amde,

          steve bannon, the first among trump’s men in the white house, was saying that within the coming decade or two, there will be an apocalyptical military confrontation between the judeo-christian west on one side, and islam and china on the other. studies show that consumption of antianxiety medications have increased in the usa, and americans are worried much more today under trump administration than ever before during their lifetime. human beings must first be able to live in order to live longer. with warmongers in washington, most probably normal life as we know it today will be disrupted at a certain stage. Moreover, technology and medicine are going to serve the haves and not the have-nots. May be this is a pessimistic approach, but not impossible to happen.

          unless those who have brought the world to this level of uncertainty, i.e. the white supremacists of the usa and europe, lose their power through a concerted action of democratic powers all over the world (whites, blacks, browns, yellows, christians, muslims, etc), and human beings are made to realize that they have values for being human beings and not for the sake of the color of their skin, ethnic background or their religion, humanity would be navigating towards unknown waters with unknown consequences. if the white supremacists win, the world may turn into an unlivable place. great technologic development and automation, the result of which will be longevity for all human beings, will only be possible in a peaceful and stable world. (sorry completely off topic).

  • iSem

    The Eritrean Refugees: Shattered Dreams, Wasted Lives and Bleak Future.
    Despite the denial by some, it is a well known fact that the first mass exodus of Eritrean refugees to the Sudan materialized in 1967: a result of the wanton massacre of innocent civilians by the brutal Ethiopian soldiers who went on burning, killing and looting spree in the Lowland villages. These events were so traumatizing that it has entered the lexicon of the “Tigray it Colander” as people often tell the birth of their child as in the epoch ad Ibrahim (in the year of the village of Ibrahim). If YouTube and cell phones were invented, then we could have witnessed the mayhem that the brutal King has inflicted into the poor people. But as the Kramer paper testify the agony was captured in the audio by the then young reporter.
    The Eritrean Lowland was the cradle of the armed struggle, it sparked the armed rebellion as a means of the last resort, it incubated and nurtured the armed struggle and ironically the armed struggle, which was an emblem of liberty has been crashed in the Lowlands as the dream is still elusive and the killing, looting spree still continue unrestricted in every village and town.

    But 1967 was only the start of the sad story of the refugees and the swell of the refugees persisted as the communist regime, following on the footsteps of King Haile Selassie not only continued the killing spree but took it to the next level by expanding the massacre from the skies even killing and arresting Camels and bombing and burning crops. In the cities the angst of the young increased and many joined the armed struggle, many fled to the Sudan to make their way to the Middle East and the West, but most of them got stranded in the Sudan to become mere numbers, and cash cows for some. Twenty-five years after independence the suffering looms high, the future looks bleak. Human trafficking and organ harvesting, notion unheard of in 1988 when I was in high school. And the primary victims of these heinous crimes are the Eritrean refugees.
    Many people profusely thank the Sudan for their generosity of hosting the Eritrean refugees, but the refugees phenomenon became a boon for the Sudanese economy and the corrupt officials benefit from the suffering of Eritrean in terms of bribes and also by stealing the financial support the refugees are supposed to receive from UN agencies, so the Sudan is not hosting Eritreans from the goodness of their hearts but refugees are an enterprise that generates millions to funds the livelihoods of Police and prison wards and government officials. There are always opportunities for refugees to go aboard, supported countries like Canada and USA and some European countries, but their papers are often sold to the highest bidder by the Sudan officials who manage the refugee process and their Eritrean collaborators as it also happens in the Ethiopian camps now.
    The problem of the refugees should be viewed in the wider context of the corrupt regimes of the region. A commenter asked that why could the refugees no assimilate. Assimilation in the Sudan is very hard and for good reason: there are not programs that help you even learn the language properly, even the Eritrean Muslims who recite the Qur’anic verse:” The land of God is plenty, just move) could not assimilate, they live in their silos and ghettos: a nation inside a nation. The Muslim children who were born there may speak fluent Arabic but their assimilation is is an inch deep, even worse yet the Christian children’s’ assimilation is almost non-existence.
    It is déjà vu for the Eritrean refugees: I used to hear that the Feltas (Tokrir) in the Sudan are originally from Nigeria who fled their country during the British colonization and conflict thereafter. Their country refused to take them back. The community in question is still marginalized group, live in destitution and they have not assimilated, they live in ghettoized areas. They are almost slaves.

    When Eritrea gained independence in 1991, the first refugees only had lived in the Sudan for 25 years and they still had deep roots with their mother villages and if the government of Eritrea was willing, their return could have been accomplished. If you parse the first speech of Eritrean dictator where he banned any dissent, you got your answer, the making of the Eritrean refugee may have complex roots, but the reasons that they are stranded are simple: the new government did not want them, all the resources excuses that some mentioned the forum is baloney, a confirmation that deniers and falsehood peddlers can be found in every society. The brutal, cold, hard truth is this: the Eritrean government , Sudanese officials and the complex political tapestry of the armed struggle conspired against the refugees. The Rashaidas, who since a very long time kidnapped Eritrean girls to sell them as slaves to the Arabs found their niche (a dude who is a fun of Arabic and the lowland culture should not be accused of bigotry against the Arabs) to showcase the skill they have perfected for decades and have handsomely profited from the suffering of Eritreans refugees. Of course with the help of other Eritreans and government officials. Some endeavor and concepts in life do not require intellectual inquiry, they are self evidence truths and the plight of the Eritrean refugees, new or old is a good example.

    The Eritrean opposition has squandered opportunities in the last 25 years when it came to the Eritrean refugees, they have not protected them from the human trafficking and organ harvesting, they have the power to do so in the Sudan and if they have to relinquished their fight against PFDJ to focus on the refugee issue: protecting them and improving their lives, preparing them for their ultimate return, so be it. This is not new epiphany look across the read Sea and you will see a fountain in the desert, a beacon in the darkness as some people whose future looked bleak did it, they prepared for centuries.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Semere A,

      I could not have written anything different. Thank you because you have spared my time. I had actually jotted a few notes after my second reading of Fanti’s excellent and informative article. I just abandoned my plan after reading your posting.

      The case of Eritrean refugees in Sudan has long been deflated of its humanitarian and human rights essence, as you and Fanti have pertinently have written.
      On the Eritrean side of the spectrum, the regime could not have done anything other than what it did, and going to do. The social-cultural outlook that led the regime’s core elite that has been at helm of power in Eritrea after 1991 to seek separate way in 1969-1970 does not make it change course as government towards the Eritrean social-demographic set in general and the Eritrean refugees in Sudan in particular. The raison d’être for the spit from the ELF for the Isayas and his followers was that the composition and structure of the ELF did not allow them then a space to mobilize, grow and dominate Eritrea on their own terms. For this they had social and demographic base to work on.
      To realize their central goal, they entered many deals and alliances which this space does not permit to expand on. Here, it must be stressed that thousands of Eritrean patriots did join the ranks of their organization, and had nothing to do with the core ideology that guided the core leadership.
      Thus, just to cut a long story short, for the regime reparation of the Eritrean refugees from Sudan in post 1991 did not fit their project whose core was social-cultural paramountcy, which we are witnessing at the present. To keep
      this going, the reparation of the Eritrean refugees had to be thwarted by any means, which so far has been success.
      Regards

  • iSem

    Hi Sir Fanti Ghana:
    Your perspective an input is very important, it has always been like that, but more so when you wrote that inspiring, uniting account of your encounter with the little girl named Africa, born into a father, who a survivor of Onna, a survivor of the massacre of the King. He was also a survivor of racism, he had to relinquish his scholarship to Surya fwhen the Arabs called him “abbid”, a slave.
    And still someone is in the dark about the plight of the refugees, cannot dawn to them, that the cause of the refugee was differenent than the reason they are still stranded, fi there ws no the cause, there would not be standding

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Semere Anbesa,

      I wanted to say welcome back, where were you all that time…how was Dedebit, and what not, but you were busy.
      WELCOME BACK!

      • iSem

        Hi FG:
        Thank you.
        nay Dedebit neger kof elka eyu ztsiwe

  • Abrehet Yosief

    Selam Fanti Ghana,
    This is confirmation of the rumors we were hearing back home. Sad that there were no open discussions held inside Eritrea, with the generosity of those who had the means and ingenuity of the refugees, we would have found a solution. But then lack of open discussion and the authorities’ inability to listen to the people is the cause of our misery.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello
      Abrehet Yosief,

      “…with the generosity of those who had the
      means and ingenuity of the refugees, we would have found a solution.”

      Of that, I have
      absolutely no doubt!

      What is sad about this drama is in fact during one major survey taken by
      UNHCR/Sudan to ascertain the refugee’s wishes was that well over 80% of them had
      expressed their desire to return home. They did not demand anything financial
      or any special treatment prior to their repatriation. They only asked for
      assurances against retaliatory steps they suspected the GoE may take on them.
      Mind you, by early 2000s, approximately 60% of all Eritrean refugees were born
      in the Sudan! Even with that demographics and with the relative comfort
      accorded them in the Sudan, still the great majority of them wanted
      “home” above all else.

      • Amde

        Selam Fanti,

        I wish you could add this comment into the article. If there is any way.

        Amde

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello President,

          Unbelievable! I wrote three paragraphs in my response to Abrehet Yosief above, then, I deleted the last two because I was afraid of creating another life off of this “article.” I am beginning to regret this topic began the way it did. It deserved some quality time and a better coverage than the hodge·podge I made of it.

          • Amde

            Haha Dottore Fanti,

            Your understanding of Hodge Podge is different from mine.

            Amde

  • Peace!

    Dear Fantish,

    Very well said- your well written article made me late for work. Did I hear someone say Amde is awatista of the year?:):)

    Peace!

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Fanti Ghana,

    Fair and factual account. Your are honest human being, not contaminated by the politics of the day. As Amde noted it “these refugees wronged twice”. God bless you.

    Regards
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • blink

      Dear Mr.Amanuel

      Fair and factual ??? just few days we read one article which was true in nature of these our brothers in Sudan , and this article you are saying fanti gana is right by saying, ”EPLF and here it is ”True or not, the fact that EPLF’s inception had some “religious” connotation to it ” That is pure lie and he lied all the other stories is just a reflection of Mr.Saleh article .
      Mr. Amnuel i admire you too much but i think you are being carried away by the negative attitude you have against EPLF , . Can i remind you how ELF was influenced by religion then , no i will not because you know it all sir and i really do not want you to lecture me about past history as the current one is holding is busy.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Blink,

        If ” Abotat Adetat Nehna Ena Deqikum”, a political orientation to the highlanders, hasn’t a religious connotation, then what is it? This is an eye witness by myself that has been said by their own cadre in a public meeting. In any case as you have said, since we are bogged by the current plight of our people, let us leave the past historians to the sort them out. Regarding the plight of our refugee for over five decades, I do not think you will disagree with Fanti’s account. Keep in mind that I have contributed to both organizations in different capacity at different time and place. So I am not against their contribution to the cause of our struggle, but I am absolutely against their policy back then and now.

        Regards
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Fanti Ghana

          Hello Mr. Amanuel,

          I know blink missed what I tried to say with the sentence he is stressing about, but I am equally guilty for not having said it clearer. However, there is a lesson contained in what he and sara supposedly tried to defend we all should to learn from, and that is to strive to master the ability to differentiate between defending our history, people, country, cause verses defending our own vanity.

  • Paulos

    Dearest Fantination,

    I want to sit with you. I want to sit with you in a place where the essence of time loses its meaning so that you can tell me a story for you are immensely gifted in telling about the bright side of the human condition. When a bridge is broken and people are unable to pass from one side to the other, I see you lying down between the two broken ends so that the people can walk over your back. It is self evident that you have shattered to a dust the old and ugly stereotype and let it be told that l’bi Tigray is not t’wt’waay. Thank you and God bless you!

    • Abi

      Hi Paul
      I see you looking for ጥህሎ here. Forget about it. I’ve been waiting for years.

      Fantastic
      You are saying the majority of refugees were seeking assurances from UNHCR before returning to Eritrea. If the cause of their migration was the former Ethiopian regimes why is the majority of them need assurances or guarantees from UNHCR or the Eritrean government or from Sudan to return to Eritrea?
      Does it make any sense? I mean the Ethiopians are out of the picture in those days. First I thought of the defeated ELF members but you are talking about the “majority” of them.
      Any kind of help from anyone informed is greatly appreciated.
      Thanks

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Abisha,

        This is another example of why this article is faulty in many levels.

        There are three categories of refugees yet divided in three different eras in the Sudan.
        Early 60s – mid 70s: mostly social/financial refugees & a few political refugees.
        Mid 60s – late 70s: mostly Ethiopia caused political refugees & some social/financial refugees.
        The 80s: about half and half between EPLF-ELF war caused vs. Eritrea-Ethiopia war caused refugees.
        Early 90s – now: PFDJ policies, Badme war, economy, family pushed-pulled refugees.

        At least that is how I would categorize it. So, the implication of your question contains some truth, but as usual, still eshoham.

  • blink

    Dear Fanti
    You are good simply good , in fact too good to write about any thing but about Eritrea’s politics oww that must be some exercise. I can not believe any Ethiopian can write a fair story about EPLF not even after a century.The same can be said that we (Eritreans ) can not write any good about hailesilassie , dergi and meles , no never ever unless the person is influenced by his political stand or some dollars . We are expecting so many Ethiopians are sharping their pen to flood websites and write all kinds of stories with half baked lies and I found fanti Ghana (the EThiopian nice guy ) lying about EPLF and here it is ”True or not, the fact that EPLF’s inception had some “religious” connotation to it, and it militarily removed the ELF from Eritrea” Fanti Ghana , I like you sir , actually i was wrong to think you are fair . You are given a good space for your dollar , good show but Your words are not going to have an impact on what Eritreans think about their brothers in Sudan , Ethiopia or where ever due to your shallow view on EPLF.

    • Amde

      Selam blink,

      I think you should become less of a vegetarian and start to appreciate meat. Eat some sacred cows. Might be good for you.

      Fanti was in a position to know as a person and as a professional.

      These refugees were wronged twice. That is the fundamental truth.

      Amde

      • blink

        Dear Amde
        I normally take your other comments in this forum seriously and tend to think once but on this one oh no no , please save your typing time for other comments , why would one Ethiopian spend even a second to type such words ? because we can not write such article , because Fanti ghana cares about Eritreans , because amde is here helping us defeat Eritrean dictator , …i can go on and on but all would be pure lies . I oppose the dictator 100% and i participate in every inch of Eritreans voice in opposing him but i still do not buy any Ethiopian words especially a hired one .

        • Amde

          Selam blink,

          You did not refute Fanti on any of the historical refugee details (which was the whole point of the article).

          But you start insulting him because he said something you disagree with about your EPLF?

          A view of EPLF by the way which is commonly accepted as basic knowledge – canonical almost in Eritrean historiography.

          Where am I wrong, sir?

          Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            commonly accepted as basic knowledge ? ohh Amde this is not your day sir . EPLF has of such religious thing , none . Who ever told you that story does not know EPLF .

    • sara

      Dear Blink,
      no one can deny about the dilemma about eritreans in sudan and every where, but to paint it as religiously concocted or as if eritreans have ethnic ,tribal nature of conflict that the refugees are afraid to go home is the mother of all lies with ulterior and sinister motive . in-fact it is not only the respected Mr.fanti but the famous Mr amde has been throwing his analytical thesis about differences of eritreans with well crafted comments.
      well, i think i read Mr Fanti is knows asmaras lingua franka.. like sakit ism , am sure he also know the word Tegetemka.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selam sara,

        GeTemkenido ya mu’allima?

        • sara

          Ato fanti,
          Tefedehka keman.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Weizero sara,
            diHan, diHan. be’akhen zimeTse kefieu aykefe’en.

      • blink

        Dear Sara
        True , he assumed we are new and we do not understand spin masters . Opposing the gang in asmera is natural thing to do what is not natural is trying to destroy the history of Eritrea by filling a baked false thing with it.

        • sara

          Dear blink,
          Isn’t it enough Eritrean have suffered for 60 years and continuing, because our grand parents were unfortunately have been hoodwinked ,provoked,black mailed,cheated,by sleek talking people that made them throw themselves and their people into this never ending quagmire.

          • blink

            Dear Sara

            True , i 100% agree with you but this time is different , people like fanti gana will not get a free pass these days .

          • sara

            Blink dear,
            Where were you in the 80th?
            If you were in Asmara, what TV programs were you watching,if very young which cartoon do you remember, if a teen , which program in which channel?
            How about sports channels?
            Oh…also…is this town Asmara.. In Australia?

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selam blink,

      I think you may have misunderstood my message. As I mentioned in the comment/article, this is by no means a complete account, not even close, but I went out of my way to not cloud the issue of the refugee’s plight by detailing EPLF/GoE’s missteps contrary to what the data suggested.

      My reason for that “dishonesty” was because I didn’t want the topic to be about the merits of EPLF/GoE but about the plight of the refugees. If you must know, one of the causes of several frictions between GoE and UNHCR was GoE’s demand for a one time “big payment” from the repatriation budget and to pay it directly to the government and not spend it on the resettlement camps as UNHCR was doing until then. Why in the world does a government hold its own citizen’s hostage unless it is paid in a certain way and on a specific time?

      If you are implying that there was no rumor, gossip, or fact about EPLF’s creation to have had a religious connotation, then we are talking about two different Eritreas, period.

      • blink

        Dear Fanti
        I think yes we have two EPLFs ,1 EPLF is a story told by dergi and the late EPRDF cadres ,2 the other and true one is a story told by Eritreans .You know we Eritreans will always go with the true EPLF . We also have a gossip ELF was basically working for Arabs , we heard so many false things sir . Mind you though in this internet world , you , and all the other forumers like me have been here day and night. We also know in this internet world people talk and write so many things . Eritreans do not read EPLF or ELF from outsiders , they are the actors . we are inside the story , we can not be lectured about the things we know . Again I will wait some months to see how it goes.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Blink,

          “We also have gissip (of) ELF was basically working for Arabs”. This wasn’t actually a gossip, rather it was from the political propaganda of EPLF. Once upon a time in the mid 70s, I was passing through the village I grew up and had a half hour chat with my parents and relatives. Suddenly In our exchange the names ELF and EPLF came to our discussion and told me that ELF Is a muslim organization. I asked them how do they know. They told me they were given by EPLF tegadelti. Then I asked them how do you think your son goes to an organization that fights for muslims only? I told them that was not true. Rather ELF is an organization made up of all our ethic groups fighting for self determination of Eritrean people (independence). Keep in mind this is the same coincidence the story I told you in my last comment. So it isn’t gossip, it is an orientations from the pages of their brain washing manual.

          Regards

          • blink

            Dear Mr. Amanuel
            Yes lucky you then , because you are here to defend ELF , it is not a secret why Fanti Ghana wrote such and tried his best to tell us his intention.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Blink,

            Indeed I was lucky enough, otherwise, if I would have been on the other side of the political spectrum, I would have been liquidated like my Urban colleague Dr. Eyob Gebreleul; because I am a person who speaks his mind anywhere and anytime. EPLF wasn’t for free mind to exercise back then and now, as we have witnessed completely morphed in to a system of tyrannical government, in the last 25 years, in front our eyes.

            regards

          • blink

            Dear ELF
            Now you are pushing people using your time with ELF , come on ELF never been democratic the same with EPLF , These two has never been democratic ,none .We all Eritreans are waiting for any seed of democracy in Eritrea. The fact must be told ”ELF & EPLF ” are dead and we have a dictator bleeding the nation , so i ask you Mr.Amanuel why Mr.Fanti bring EPLF at the end of his beautiful article , why ? what could it be the reason ? does some one need EPLF to see the suffering of these in sudan ?

    • Abraham H.

      Selam blink, I would recommend you to read the manifesto of “Nhnan Elamanan” which was authored by none other than Isayas and co in 1971, to have a gist of what Fanti is ponting to. In case you dont’t have access to the document, I’m willing to link it here.
      BTW, I think the Isayasists have been on a pree of cleansing the web of the document, as it has become hard to get a copy of it online.

      • blink

        Dear Abraham
        May be you are new here sir , if you are new i count you are the fruit of Fanti unless I do not look to find a lecture

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