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Eritrean Heart And Mind At Work In Italy

“Here is heart and mind in action! Here is the meaning of Independence as depending on one another! Here is the meaning of organizing, one that is for a purpose and not for mindless beating the koboro [drums] in a land that doesn’t wont you and for a regime that doesn’t care for you. Here are Eritrean justice seekers, celebrating May 24 in the spirit of the martyrs who paid the ultimate price to realize it [….] all of the credit goes to the organizers of that beautiful commemorative event for May 24. I personally don’t think those good people did that on behalf of an opposition organization nor do I believe theirs is the only one. The reality is that the solution to Eritrea’s problems is found on such like undertakings from one’s heart. No amount of appeasing to a misguided PFDJ nor any amount of sloganeering or T-Shirt press-printing opposition holds a solution. Actually, those are an extension, therefore integral part, of Eritrea’s problems. What we take, however big or small, lasts for the moment only but what we give, however small or large, lasts for eternity. The act of being a brother’s keeper doesn’t have to be reserved for a special day alone, it should be a life long commitment. Many individuals and organizations already do that and they sure deserve our respect for it. PFDJ has no courage to do it for it knows it is the source of it all. Those who enslaved their mind to PFDJ do not have the courage to do that because they have parted ways with their heart’s calling and decided to serve the PFDJ mind. The opposition should fight the center ground by reaching out to those who need a little support to gain what they lost to the dictatorial regime. They shouldn’t hope to make head ways by repeating what everyone knows a thousand times. [In solidarity with those who are] being traumatized by the current situation. If the opposition needs to win hearts and minds, the time is ripe to roll up our sleeves and get our hands dirty. I hope the event …. in the video [below] makes that point clearly.” HaileTG

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  • haileTG

    Thanks G for writing something. I will reply when I get chance to read it (if ever). Please write me more, your free time is appreciated.

  • haileTG

    Gud

    Should I welcome ya or your new hat…haha don’t worry, secrets are safe with me.

  • saay7

    Selamat Mizaan:

    You make good points…but that is not the fear I was talking about. The fear you are talking about–the terror the PFDJ can inflict on Eritreans–well everyone knows. It is for precisely that reason that at awate, every year, we debate whether we should change our policy on accommodating pen-name users and every year we say, “we must.” (I actually consider them /you as part of the silent majority:)

    No, the fear I am talking about is of post-Isaias Afwerki Eritrea. Some in the opposition dismiss that as “fear of the unknown”, “refusing to sleep so you won’t have nightmares”, “being paralyzed into inaction”, etc. But, when you have not 1, not 2, not 3, but 5 distinct cases in our immediate neighborhood (Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Iraq) of what happens to countries ruled by strong-men for decades, strong men who had done nothing to build any remotely independent institution, who abruptly leave…and that these are not just examples of “unfortunate” incidents but tragedies of biblical proportions, and when the opposition gives no assurances to the people that it is cognizant of people’s fears and is taking assertive, reassuring steps… then the fear will remain and it will serve Isaias Afwerki.

    I was at a meeting where officials from the UN and similar agencies that specialize in Africa were in attendants. One of them asked us “what can you tell the international community who fears Eritrea will become Somalia.” And this person who was with me, who until then I had considered the epitome of the rational person, blew up in exasperation and said, “Somalia! So let it be Somalia! What can be worse than what we have?” It may have been emotionally satisfying to the “delay-fithi” to say that but all the “international community” got was, “right…they have no plan.”

    saay

  • Naod Samiel

    Michael, don’t talk about the respect of this forum after you insult me and don’t apologize for it. It’s hypocritical.

  • Semere Andom

    Dear Tegadalit Tzegerada:
    you need to come more often, if not I will direct Sal and SGJ to give you more tasks, double, so you can fight the dual oppression with dual tasks. Eta gizie entehatsertki, nski aythtseria:-)
    We all love to hate the opposition in its different colors, but I think once a while we need to celebrate them, their problem is, they are applying Ghedli era concepts to our current issues. It does not work. We cannot just focus on their lack of creativity to face todays issue. We also let them down by our complacency, every one is afraid to touch this subject, criticizing the people the people can do no wrong they say, Hell, yea, ayeriEna when people turn to mob, like we did in our group think, hanti libna, hanti hangolna, hanti Adina, hanti lisana, zerebana zeynqiyer, deqi Eri endina:-)
    Now that Sal is sleeping, I can sneak in this: although we are not fundamentally flawed as people there is something fundamentally flawed about how we think about the ideas of opposition, struggle, freedom, justice and again I will go back to my usual punching bags, the intellectuals of the struggle era, when a kid who never paid his own rent and was responsible for anything in his life charmed the professors of journalism, the students of Fermat’s enigma and those who quoted Jefferson for their white students and those who rhapsodized over Ab Lincoln’ Getyburg speeh,that is our problem, the leaf cause of our problems, the leaf cause is worse than the root cause:-)

    • saay7

      Lady Tzigereda:

      Do not feed the bear. Walk away gently. Nothing to see here:)

      saay

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear SAAY, Haile TG, and all awatistas

    I’m enjoying your Mekhetes (rebuttals). Just an advice:

    a/ assuming that both of you are Hayalat (great)

    b/ trusting that both of you have your hearts beat in synchrony (ክልተ ሓያላት፡ ሓደ ልቦም፡ ጽቡቕ ስንቆም)

    c/ observing that you are two greats with different opinions, as tes observed, (which is great in itself)

    I propose that HaileTG elevate his discussion to the mind part. All anecdotal stories tell us that very few Eritreans are happy with the current situation; few Eritreans may be responsible of the mayhem; the acquiescence may have to do with our miscalculations (mind) on how to oppose an entrenched regime. I could pick ideas that I have been saying related to why the current opposition has failed to motivate Eritreans ( and also N.Emnetu broached the idea through questions and explanations) what should be done in order to correct strategic mistakes of the past starting from mission statements (political programs) to structural thinking (does the current problem warrants these many political organizations if all they want is founding democratic Eritrea?), etc. If the aim is to bring PFDJ to its knees, we should not see an ever mushrooming factions and groups, we have to be brutally honest with ourselves (that was the goal of my last article; Ehmm, as if I have articles!). So, I see SAAY is coming from an executive/leader position and HaileTG from an orator’s position of strength. A leader or a person in an executive position see things differently in comparison to how a person who is out there to instigate…stir up…orate…and motivate see issues. A leader will undergo a thorough an brutally honest assessments, and based on those assessments, she/he will chart the most feasible course of action (practicality and pros/cons appraisals…). At times, what leaders pursue may not be popular, but if we keep engaging them, we will see the long run benefit of their contemporary unpopular decisions. An orator knows how to penetrate into our deep souls. We need both of them so that the process of filtration (tes?) can keep going. In this case, as the debate progresses, we can apply simple methods of omitting those proposals we think won’t work; and we can build consensus. When both, the leader and the oratorwork collaboratively the task becomes easier. Both of you have strong points. I don’t think you are different at moral level. SAAY seems to advance the debate into practical areas. I call on Haile Hayal to appreciate that part of SAAY and become less defensive. Laying down a debate ground rules is OK, but debates are not static, in order for debates to be enticing they need to have latitudes where relevant pieces are brought in and rough corners smoothed out. What I see from SAAY is not that deviating from how Haile wants the debate framed.

    That has been my humble Hateta.
    *PS: As long as our hearts are in synchrony, the difference of opinions should be encouraged provided that they are DISCUSSED. Difference of opinions become divisive only when the parties fail to “discuss/digest” them, or the parties lack cultural dispositions to tackle them/discuss them peacefully. An example of that could be our own organized political oppositions. It has become abundantly clear that they are not up to appraising their ways of conducting business, which has become the major obstacle in tilting the scake against PFDJ. Unless they show Eritreans THAT they are responsible by displaying qualities that are dramatically in contrast to PFDJ, we won’t see any miracles from them. That’s why I really believe that diaspora opposition should reformulate its mission in a way that emphasize domestically born change. Our policies and practices should be rearranged in a way they appeal to Eritreans inside the country. We should be honest about our limitations. We can play a voice and a driving energy. I find SAAYs last rebuttal in agreement with what I have been saying; I do also see HTG becoming lately more realistic and sober in his assessment of the current dispositions and configurations of the opposition. I really believe that either we try to do it the right way or we should not mess with regime change projects that we are not in control of.

    • haileTG

      Haha Mahmuday,

      Small correction, brother saay is actually the orator and Haile the leader(actually a person, I am not into positions:). And, my debate discourages defensiveness. But sometimes one has to do what one has to do to protect the longevity of their ideas. Don`t worry Mahmuday, the heart is in good hands:) I will be replying to saay and Gheteb, later, you will see why.

      Regards

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan abadahri
        Tell you Haylat, i sense it; it’s going to be another interesting week.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Junk Politics In The Eritrean Political Discourse

    Lest I risk misconstrual, here is what I mean by junk politics as it applies to the language of the Eritrean political discourse. It doesn’t exactly mean as it was used by Benjamin Demott, an American cultural critic, in his essays entitled “Junk Politics: The Trashing Of The American Mind”. By and large, by junk politics I mean the attempt of trying to conflate social work with political activism, the moralization of political works and the deployment of ‘touchy-feely’ techniques to tackling some serious and hefty political issues. Put simply, those who utilize junk politics in their attempt of grappling with political issues, not only end up misdiagnosing the political ailments they are attempting to cure, but they end up dispensing the wrong prescriptions and rendering some outre and apocryphal prognosis.

    Like in junk science, those who are in the business of purveying junk politics end up erroneously assigning causation to whatever the desired effects might be by using post hoc rationalizations. Nothing exemplifies junk politics as the false dichotomy between ‘cardio-politics’ and ‘neuro-politics’ that Haile TG et al have been essaying these days to peddle the notion or idea of the “heart V. mind”. For instance here is HTG rationales for advancing his idea:

    When we have social psychologists like Jonathan Haidt, cognitive scientists such as George Lakoff and neuroscientists like Drew Westen all honing in the human political brain, the righteous mind and the political mind in their efforts of understanding the neural pathways and the way the human mind or brain functions, politically, in the genesis of intuitions, political sentiments, rationalizations, moral intuitions and what undergirds them in the human brain, here we are told by that the heart to be the source. I hate to say it, but it got to be said. All this heart politics is nothing but a hokum and doesn’t make even a bubkes of sense. Hence why I have described as nothing more than junk politics.

    What has so far been “characterized” as “heart politics” as contrasted to “mind politics” by HTG et al is nothing new nor it is an earth-shatteringly pristine and innovatively an avant-garde idea. ‘Heart politics’ as a political tool has been used in Australia and New Zealand since the late eighties. It sounds to me like nothing more than another tool of addressing communal and political issues. Here it is under the title: What is heart politics. Will this kind of political approach add anything meaningful to the Eritrean political disquisition? I think NOT as it is nothing more than junk politics. Read it and you be the judge.

    http://www.jobsletter.org.nz/hpx/hpx01.htm

    What I find to be the most conspicuously and egregiously unfounded assertion is that all of our desires, sympathies and empathies emanate from our hearts. Well, may be they do and may be they don’t. Nothing in the scientific world indicate that the heart is the abode of all these feelings. What is more, is the fact that I have yet to be convinced that the human mind has no role at all as the provenance of all these good sentiments.

    It is okay to use cultural and linguistic references of heart to assign good sentiments and desires to the heart to the exclusion of the mind. Yes, one can try to use ‘heart politics’ as a catchall phrase in trying to explain and even motivate Eritreans to take certain actions. However, it will neither be an accurate and true diagnosis nor will it offer a correct apercu or solutions. Are humans motivated by their hearts’ desires to rally around certain political causes? Is it purely for altruistic reasons what emanates from ones heart that people end up empathizing with their fellow humans and therefore goaded to take action and extend a helping hand as the Bologna Video that HTG seems to purport. Well, I contend that it is not and for that ponder the following.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc states that “Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X.”

    We saw in the Bologna video some Eritreans extending their helping hands and we are told that such an altruistic measure was caused by a caring heart and hence the efficacy of ‘heart politics’ and its recommendation to be used by the Eritrean oppositions groups in their political works of liberating Eritrea from the abominable rule of PFDJ. This is nothing more than a post hoc rationalization as it can’t be proven that it was their hearts that prompted those Eritreans in the Bologna video to act altruistically and come out to their aid. HTG et al have not proven conclusively that it is the mind of this folks out of “intuitions”, “instincts”, “self-interest”, “group-interest” or “moral-emotions” that emanated from their minds that impelled those Eritreans to embark on helping the less fortunate Eritreans in their neck of the woods.

    What has this “Bologna video” episode has manifestly brought to the fore is the disingenuousness and double standard of the supporters of the Eritrean opposition groups. They have showcased the video to show that they are all for helping Eritreans fleeing from home while they haven’t left no stone unturned in their campaign of dissuading the EU from giving aid to Eritrea. What makes this campaign by those who claim that their struggle is to free Eritreans and by using ‘heart politics’ that they will do their utmost in the ameliorations of the plight of the Eritrean people is that they have uttered nary a peep that those Eritreans in Eritrea could benefit mightily by the EU aid that they have worked so hard to convince the EU from extending it to Eritrea.

    What I have found to be doubly telling in the EU’s parliaments discussions about EU’s aid to Eritrea, save for a couple or so EU MPs, all of them emphasized the need to help the Eritrean people in Eritrea. Mind you that these MPs were heavily lobbied by these Eritrean activists and their foreign political soul mates in convincing the EU not to extend its aid to Eritrea unless it is attached to certain political preconditions. I haven’t seen even one sentence from those who profusely bleed their hearts about the agony and misery of the Eritrean people that EU should do its utmost to help those Eritreans — the overwhelming majority of Eritreans, I might add— by extending it said and making sure that it is the Eritrean masses that should be the main target and beneficiary of the EU aid to Eritrea.
    What I have so far read, unfortunately, was all harrumphing and chest beating that the EU MPs have excoriatingly denounced and exposed the dictatorial PFDJ. All lost in their political dramatizations and theatrics was the care and concern for the allaying of the immesirations of the Eritrean demos back home. Now does anyone blame any Eritrean for finding this double standard so disgusting that s/he doesn’t want to touch the Eritrean opposition groups with even the longest barge pole???

    Those in the Eritrean opposition groups who are mightily essaying to resuscitate their political activism from senescence and whatever newfangled approach they may try even by peddling junk politics and even as they try to fish in troubled waters, their politics is hopelessly out of tune and doesn’t resonate with the Eritrean psyche. Hence why their messages has heretofore failed to resonate with the majority of the Eritrean peoples ‘moral intuitions’, ‘sentiments’, ‘self and group interests’.

    https://youtu.be/CsmYcNbtm2c

    • tes

      Dear Gheteb, my friend,

      We know that it is not new but we are taking it out from the under table. it is simple, Lt’s cool down and think. PFDJ wants neither. As you are famous about your junky shabianism aka PFDJism political discourse, the “heart-and-mind” strategy is against you, absolutely against.

      What ever you say, we are no more a white cloud. Stop your junky propaganda, go back to your heart and use your mind. No matter how latinized you are (now you are droppping them and you will drop yourself soon), your approach is conspiring things and fool the mind. Oh man, can’t you hear your mind simply by cooling down?

      Since I like you, I will give you this.

      Cuation: First cool down and go back to heart, only then you will get 1 hour to watch this BBC document

      Heart vs Mind: What makes us human?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bH8gQezrws

      @hailetg:disqus, Again re-enforce your argument. PFDJites are not happy with your humanity philosophy.

      tes,
      A man with thermodynamics weapon

      • haileTG

        Dear tes,

        Hold in there brother. When Eritreans finally find their heart, that is the end of their silence and the end of PFDJ. Let`s all reinforce the message with whatever we can.

        Regards

    • Haile WM

      Hi Gheteb,

      You accused the opposition of “Post hoc ergo propter hoc” rationalization but right after that you seem to fall into the same trap, i.e. ” Eritreans in Eritrea could benefit mightily by the EU aid “. I find it quite interesting…
      You and me know that it’s the PFDJ that used to reject aid from whoever, by clinging to his mantra politics of “self reliance” so now I am a bit puzzled how on earth this aid is going to help the Eritrean masses if PFDJ doesn’t believe in foreign Aid ?
      By the way the opposition who are against EU aiding a PFDJ-led Eritrea believe that such aid actually will not benefit the masses, as you want to paint it, but it will be miss-used by “PFDJ miss-rule” (to use your own euphemistic-aphorism).

  • tes

    Dear Pass the salt*,

    Cool down pal. You are right sometimes I forget, for example yesterday, but when I use them, I put them correctly. For PS, I use +.

    @hailetg:disqus thank you.

    tes

    *Ashegireka diye, tes eko amelu eyu. Keydi albo kemzitebahle ba aytiresie. Gheteb and Emma eko meskirom yom.

  • haileTG

    Pass the salt,

    I think the ** was for the guy who said “yesterday………… shaebia”, the ** is somewhere between there:)

    • Pass the salt

      Thanx HTG.
      I found it, although on the wrong location:)
      We are just having fun, tes nebsi. Take it lightly.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Hailat tes and mizaan1

    ሓጻር መልእኽቲ ኣብ ሓጺር ግዜ ንኺድ ዶ ?

    ኣለኻ ዶ ልበይ ትርህርህ ከም ቀደም :
    ንበዳሊ ጨካን ትፍትን ክትእርም ::

    ኣለኻ ዶ ዓቅለይ ትኣምን ብሒሳብ :-
    ንፍቅሪ ኣትሒትካ ስልጣን ንኽትረክብ ::

    ንቅሓተ ሕልና ክብ የበል ይበልጽግ :-
    ጥቅው ክከባር ይሰንዱ ንቡዕሉግ ::

    ንኺድ ዶ ? ………

    • Kokhob Selam

      dear friends,

      ንኺድ ዶ ? ..

      • tes

        Dear KS,

        Allons-y!

        tes

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear All,

          Allons-y!

          ትብል ኣላ ህይወት ሚዛን ይተሓሎ :-
          ————-ኣንባሪ ኣንብሮ ቀንጻሊ ቀንጽሎ ::

          ልብን ኣይተስተማስል ስራውርካ ኣትርሮ :-
          ……………ነቲ ጸረ ሰላም ፍጹም ኣይተፍቅሮ

          ሓንጎል ውን ኣይተጨክን ሕሉፍ :-
          ……………ጽቡቅ ተግባርካ እዩ ኣብ መዝገብ ዝተርፍ::

          ክበር ተኸባበር ኣሕሊፍካ ኣይትሃቦ :-
          ……………ኩሉ ዓቅምታትካ ኣብ ሓደ ኣክቦ:

          ቅዲ ሜላ ቃልሲ ዋሕሊልካ ጽረቦ ;-
          ……………ልቦና እዩ ጽቡቅ ንሰናይ ስዓቦ

          ፍልልያት በዚሑ ኣብዘይሎ ጎንጺ :-
          ……………ሓደን ከሽካዕልል ከናሹ ከፋጺ:-
          ……………ዕድል እዩ ረኺቡ ገባቲ ዓማጺ :-
          ……………ደጊም ይእኸል ተበገስ ሃናጺ::

          ትብል ኣላ ህይወት ይተሓሎ ሚዛን :-
          መልኽቲ ተሕልፍ ንዓቅልን ንልብን :::

          ሓቢርኩም መርሹ ኣብ ደስታን ጸበባንዓ :-
          ………….ንደለይቲ ሰላም ብመዓርን ጻባን:-
          ………….ንደለይቲ ኩናት ብሴፍን ጎራዴን :-
          ………….ብዘይ ስሙር ጉዕዞ ፍጹም ዓወት የለን ::

          ንኺድ ዶ ? ….

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Dr. KS,
        Fantastic! This reminds me to ask whatever happened to Dawit? I miss him.

      • Mizaan1

        KS, you are a heck of a talented guy. Keep it going.

  • haileTG

    Dear Tzigereda,

    I can totally assure you that my heart in 100% with you (I admit also that my mind is 100% out in full force with saay:) There is nothing I would wish more than the success of the struggle for democratic change in Eritrea. However, where are we at?

    When Eritreans went through independence struggle, the challenge was occupation. Ghedli didn’t say “oh well there are Eritreans dotted all across Eritrea, so let them get guns and and resolve their differences with their occupiers”. Ghedli assumed central role in that challenge of that era. It created all sorts of alliances with the people, yet centrally coordinated, commanded and defined the direction needed to resolve our challenge at the time. We didn’t only liked what they did, we loved them for it, we trusted them with our future and gave them everything they needed not only to succeed in their solving our challenge of the day but set up effectively to usher us into the future.

    What is the Eritrean challenge today? Should we relegate its mitigation to communities, individuals and vigilantes? Isn’t Eritrean challenge dictatorship and its aftermath of refugee crisis and human tragedies? I am not asking for permanent das hazen and opposition leaders to be hazentegnatat. I am saying they need to take a “coordinating, commanding and defining direction” roles in the current challenge of the day. That would make them closer to the people, more trusted by the people and supported by the people to lead them forward. Can you tell me an opposition branch office in Lampedusa and give me their number, because my friends could use it? Did you hear the father who lost his children to haynas when crossing to Ethiopia(alleged)? He said in reference to the organizations in Ethiopia that let alone to provide him any help, they weren’t even comfortable to be seen with him (his own words – ንርእሶም ስግኣት ዘሎም ሰባት እዮም ዝመስሉ).

    I am not attempting to sustain hazen, rather saying that it needs to end and end in the right way, by mobilizing people to fight for their rights. But how would you do that if the opposition isn’t at the center of it all and steering the command and control wheels? Why did my friend say he considered the opposition event a manipulation to their own political advantage?

    Dear Tzigereda, I was unfortunate to leave home early and become independent at a younger age. Life taught me to grapple with questions even if I don’t like them or find them too much for comfort. It also taught me that it is only when I confront those questions that I stand a chance of changing my situation (situations where sometimes my survival depended on).

    I am suggesting that there would be sober assessment than attrition. Because, PFDJ, one way or another is destined to fall. We need to recognize that a culture steeped in attrition will then prove us to be extremely violent and unforgiving to one another.

    The Eritrean opposition includes people from the highest echelon (constitution writers and UN advisers) all the way to illiterate mothers in refugee camps. When it takes up central role in today’s challenges, then it will be able to channel all those assets including the one’s you shared above (Thank you).

    Regards

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Abi,

    ራስ የለለው ልብ ብስሜት ይዋጣል :-
    የሌለውን እውነታ ከሩቁ ይቃኛል ::

    “ላም ኣለችኝ በሰማይ “ሆነና ነገሩ
    ዱቄት በለለበት እንጀራን ጋገሩ ::

  • saay7

    Abi.net:

    In awate 4.0, when we had a lot of PFDJ trolls, we had a signature piece (borrowed from the movie As Good As It Gets):

    “Sell crazy someplace else, we’re all stocked up here.”

    Of course the entire line is awesome, but not family-friendly so we just used the last sentence (with Jack Nicholson delivery of course.)

    saay

    • Eyob Medhane

      Sal,

      That is one of my all time favorite movies…. 🙂

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZPWsVNTqo

    • Abi

      Hi Saay,Eyobe
      Thank you. I still have the VHS. Very powerful. My all time favorite! It must be a mandatory for ever awatista to watch it.
      How about ” Anger Management?”
      I recommend it to Tes.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Brother Saay,
      I had a reply to you and Abi about an hour ago, but it is stuck somewhere. Retrieve or delete it if you see it.
      Thanks.

  • saay7

    Happy Sunday Cousin iSem:

    First, let’s bring along the rest of of awatistas to the “inside joke” in your signature “egebeyka.” I think it was in 2002, awate.com wrote an editorial where we called on the Eritrean Alliance to disassociate itself from the Eritrean Islamists. An awatista, now an opposition leader (one of the 15(?)), wrote a reply entitled “Baboor YiGebeyka” (a reference to an Eritrean tale that SGJ can tell in his time but translates to “Train! you are headed the wrong way!) where he was telling us that our position is not in keeping with our principles. Then we replied “Baboor dib Gebeyu seni Hala” (the train is headed in the right direction.) I think history will bear us out: we were right and he was wrong.

    Now then.

    1. You are the 3rd person who is misunderstanding my reference to Wedi Kassa which means it is my fault: I was sloppy. What I was saying is that if we are creating a people’s movement, it will have all sorts of people–including those whose job it is to protect the movement from infiltration. People who do that or people who are attracted to that kind of job are…um…not people I want to be roommates with. But they are necessary for the cause.

    2. an iSem post would not be an iSem post without dragging us back to Ghedli:) You often hear me complaining about how we have yet to write the Great Eritrean Novel that can stand up to, say, Chinua Achebe’s “Things Fall Apart”. Your friend Ghezae Hagos would have been up to it but khunetat ayefqeden:) In any event, the Eritrean books that comes closest to being the Great Eritrean Novel is Alemseghed Tesfai’s “Two Weeks In The Trenches.” A friend posted the relevant excerpt, which comes handy here. This is what he says about his frustration about the conventional description of Ghedli/Tegadalai:

    [i]”Our revolutionary culture is still very poor in discussing and describing individuals and individual acts of courage and heroism. Unless we do that, the tegadalai will never get his due, and his or her greatness will never be known. We keep using very general and lofty terms to define the collective. One hears about perseverance, tenacity, grit and fortitude as characterizing the spirit of tegadelti. I find such words extremely limiting and an obstacle to describing what the life of tegadelti constitutes. There is no life in those words…no pain…and pain in all its forms–the process of overcoming it, suppressing it–is what makes tegadalai.”[/i]

    And how did they do that? Isn’t that self-discipline? Isnt that mind-over-matter? There is a reason why all militaries have boot camps: their purpose is break you down, and then re-assemble you and build you back up. Even someone who went to the Eritrean field on a campaign of Eradicating Illiteracy for just a year must attend a boot camp. Kemu kblu semi’E and shut up:)

    3. I will not talk about Lincoln not because I can’t find literature that shows that his focus was maintaining the Union and not eradicating slavery but because I have been made to swear on a stack of Gedab News (awate’s holy book) to stay focused on E’letrea.

    4. Of course we know there are good people within PFDJ (the system) because we have the testimonies of hundreds of Eritrean escapees who tell us that at a critical part of their journey they were helped by someone within the regime who was kind to them. We also know there are lot of jerks within the opposition because thats what everybody tells us after their “irreconcilable differences.” 🙂

    On Ogbe Abraha and G-15, I have heard both versions: the G-15 knew exactly what was in their future and chose, in the tradition of Ghedli, to become martyrs for the cause of representative government and the other one, which is that they excercised bad judgement. What matters to me is that they took action in commensurate to their beliefs. The problem (we are too polite to say it) is that in the Eritrean opposition, those who are willing to give up everything–family, career, privacy–to advance our cause are negligibly few. And until we face up to that and either (a) change ourselves and sacrifice more or (b) expect less given how little we are willing to sacrifice, we will continue our self-flagellation.

    saay

  • dawit

    dear Tzigereda,

    “In this period the number of dissidents increased immensely,.. and supporters for the regime had declined”. Does this show the success of a disorganized opposition movements. Woy Gud!
    Adey Tzigereda
    ,Baelen Yneada,
    do mbelna?

    • Tzigereda

      Dear Dawit,

      Yes, the number of dissidents is increasing . Not because of the ” Intervention” of the opposition but due to the failure and miserable performance of the ruling party in Eritrea.

      • dawit

        Dear Tzigereda,

        Yes you are right it is due to “miserable performance of the ruling party in Eritrea”. If that is the case don’t you think Eritreans should join the PFDJ and struggle within to improve the performance, rather than throwing mud from outside. PFDJ is trying to reverse the exodus and attract back those who left. They organize ‘koboro parties’ giving the people what they want, and at home they are working hard in development projects to improve the living standard at home and defend the country. We like it or not PFDJ is an Eritrean creation. What is destroying PFDJ I only to end up another PFDJ II from the scratch. I believe preserve what you have today and work hard for better tomorrow. Look at various Eritrean news outlets and observe the 24th. Independence celebrations world wide. You posted three videos on protest to PFDJ, I could have posted 100’s supporting PFDJ.

        • Pass the salt

          Harbegna dawit,
          Nope, PFDJ is not fighting exodus, it is encouraging exodus since it benefits it. As you know national service recruitment hasn’t stopped for over 20 years. What has long stopped is releasing those who complete the ‘legal’ duration. So what you have is a large number of youth being added twice a year to the existing already crowded number. This creates a large expenditure for food, shelter, medication, salary, clothing, hardware and other necessities for hundreds of thousands of people. The dilemma for the regime is then this:
          1) On one had it has to continuously recruit the youth because (a) it needs free labor for its day-to-day operation, and (b) it cannot leave the youth unattended, for it would create security threat for the regime.
          2) On the other hand, since it cannot release recruits once they complete, and rather keeps adding them on top of the existing, it would be unsustainable to maintain such a swelling army. Here is where the benefit of exodus comes in: the exodus becomes beneficial because for one thing, there won’t be security threat from those living the country – i.e. as opposed to the threat they could’ve posed if they were released to their families and to normal life. Secondly, large number abandoning the army means the regime would save that much large expenditure.

          • dawit

            Pass the salt,
            It is hard to keep track of lies, since one lie needs another lie to cover it etc multiplies at geometric rate of progression. Yesterday you were singing how PFDJ was shooting on young Eritreans from theier back at the sealed border. Then you came with another song to close the Sawa training camp and stop national service. The there was story telling us how PFDJ generals were trafficking Eritrean youth. Your new song PFDJ is encouraging Eritrean youth to migrate to Europe, because it can feed its soldiers. What a salty creative lie! The truth PFDJ never shot its young soldiers from the back just because they wanted to leave their post. Those who wanted to leave they left peacefully leaving their weapon behind walking across the borders, to migrate to Israel or Europe. They grabbed the opportunity to take the emigration incentives and economic advantage promised them by those countries. They calculated the risk and payoff and took their actions under their free will from the free country Eritrea. Many have been successful while few met tragedies in the deserts and seas, and for the tragedies you blame PFDJ as if it has the power to control the wind and the storm. You are putting too much salt in your story.

          • Pass the salt

            dawit,
            Yeah sure, Israel and Europe so badly wanted Eritreans to migrate to their countries. Silly! You sounded like you live in a monastery, completely insulated from what’s going on in the world.
            But the fact the regime shoots at deserters on one hand and wants people to leave is not a conflict in our (opposition) statements, rather it is the lack of organization, lack of consistency on the part of the regime and the fact that conflicting regulations are issued continuously without the public and regime servants themselves being aware. PFDJ is full of conflicts and contradictions. Now you see it, now you don’t!
            Regarding the other stuff you said, well we will find out the true gravity of the regime’s crimes when the COI’s report is released in few weeks.

          • dawit

            pass the salt,
            If you think I live in a monastery may be Debre Bizen, I also think you live in Mars with no clue what so ever going here on earth. Yes Israel and Europe would like Educated Eritrean youth to migrate to clean their toilets and street, work on their farms, work on nursing homes taking care of their aging population with slave wages. By giving them temporary work permit, and other time work illegally they employ them to kind of jobs their nationals would not perform or touch it. That was what England did in building its war devastated country by importing blacks from Caribbean and Africa. The same with Germany they imported workers from Turkey, France from North Africa and now they don’t know what to do with their grand children of their indenture laborers. This is not unique to Europe the US also does it by stealing the work force that did not spend for their education, robbing the developing countries their trained manpower resources. The trouble for Europe and Israel, started once they cracked the door for Eritrean illegal immigrants, every African rushed to get in as Eritrean and the trickle flow became a rapid flood and became out of their control. So the Israeli decided to build fences along their borders with Egypt, and Europe is puzzled with the situation. After all there are only so much toilets to clean, the surplus immigrants has become burden on Social welfare system.
            You can Waite for your UN or COI reports, but non of them matter, as long as Eritrean territories are occupied illegally. Non of UN members have moral superiority over Eritrea. All the investigating commission are part of job creation strategy to those employed by the systems. Non of them have good intention to the welfare of Eritrean people other than PFDJ. As usual they can pass another illegal sanction, but again “Eritrea will never kneel down”!
            dawit

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Tsigereda,

    it is heart touching. ወዮ ምቁዛም ውሒዱና !

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello zkheberki Tzigereda,
    Thank you. You spoke for many of us, “observers,” too.

  • Naod Samiel

    Michael, don’t insult me. You wouldn’t call me “little man” to my face. Don’t do it here.

  • haileTG

    Selamat saay and awatista;

    Here comes the much touted about simplistic explanation of the heart and mind disjunction that is characterizing our society (especially in the diaspora). May proposal is that such disjunction can be overcome and pave the way to a unified popular sentiment for change if people were to be inspired that the solution lie in overcoming it. I consider the [an] organized opposition would be the best party to do the inspiring because it does not only have the organization to begin wit but also can bridge the gap by neutralizing the “fear of the unknown” that is always lurking in back of the mind of even the well meaning proponents of change. Before I proceed, I will now list what I said in a numbered points, in the off chance that some of you get the urgency to bring cosmology slash world history slash medicine slash arts and the literature:-)

    1 – The Eritrean society’s (especially in the diaspora) political discourse about the homeland is characterized by an obvious disjunction between their hearts desires and their mind’s fears.

    2 – This disjunction has resulted in a dangerous silence and paralysis limiting their our ability to respond naturally.

    3 – Inspiring people about the levels of sufferings taking place and dedicated courageous initiatives of those trying to stand in support of the suffering can motivate the people to overcome such disjunction.

    4 – The organized opposition have a lot of face lifting to do, a lot of demonstration to do to show that they can handle the challenge and a lot of impression to make as viable replacement. For that reason I suggest that the organized opposition would upgrade it into “framework strategy” that cuts across all of what they do as a unifying theme of all of their operations. This would give them the caring image, increase public confidence and speed up popular engagement towards a peoples struggle. The bonds and relationships it would create would restore trust and the experience it yields would prepare them for the job of a government.

    The above clear introduction is presented so that it would help to focus the debate on matters relevant to the issue at hand and discourage straying into topics and matters that are neither the purpose of the discussion nor the expertise of everyone involved.

    Therefore, what remains is to put forward, clearly, simply and concisely present what the disjunction in hearts and minds is, where and how it can be observed and provide concrete evidences that it is what it is considered (i.e. disjunction) and not something else.

    This will take us to an isolated incident (that is also replicated throughout all similar events in Eritrean gatherings) that gave rise to its birth. I shared it before and will do so again, with hindsight to potential questions this time.

    We were in a social gathering with a group. Because it was a mourning family’s home the attendants were random coming from all sorts of political shades supporters/oppositions/silents. The topic was Eritrea. the floor of discussion dominated by few supporters/opposition, the mood was subdued by the silents (except occasional smile and sudden gazes on the wide empty spaces above the head of the speaking party). The issue of some of the tragedies was once raised and quickly let go as something not worthy of pursuing with all that much seriousness and concern. This of course is modelled after our national trend to ignore our fallen brothers and sisters as nothing of any significance. What makes Eritrea the topic in every of our gatherings is because our heart is there, and what is precipitating such callous disregard of the tragedies of out brethren is a fearful mind. There is a disjunction there. No need to be medical expert, philosophical zeno or historian to understand this. A simple example suffices. If I was to tell one of the attendees there (any one of them) that I just happen to pass by their immediate family member being resuscitated by a paramedic on a roadside and the car they were driving is flattened under a big truck, imagine the response, imagine the panic, imagine the rush, imagine the total stampede and chaos! That would be the heart (again I am not a scientist of Cardiology) but I know if I asked the next day to the person concerned regarding facts that happened in the chaos, the would say they don’t remember anything as they weren’t thinking! (Note well that “they weren’t thinking). The heart has no time for that. It is very unlikely that when I broke the news they would ask me about traffic regulations, weather condition, license plate numbers… they will be in a state of total panic. The heart took charge and they couldn’t care less about facts and details but the safety or where about of their family member. At a national level, let’s remember how Ethiopians reacted to the ISIS killing of their citizens. The riots, the grief and the honoring.

    The following might break the hearts of fellow justice seekers, I apologize in advance. One of the Eritreans killed by the ISIS was a close relative (very close) of my best friend. This friend is always critical of the Eritrean regime but also attends and mingles in all social events organized by the regime and never misses private gatherings as baptisms, funerals and weddings… We were talking after his attendance of the independence celebration (PFDJ) and he also knew there was a gathering of justice seekers to remember the last month’s sinking of 350 Eritreans and ISIS victims. He told me that he wouldn’t go there because they weren’t doing it out of concern for him but “their own politics”! Imagine, someone coming to share your grief and you turning away saying that the person doesn’t have your interest at heart!! I felt sorry and concerned for Eritrea. This is how deep and wide the gap between us is. It isn’t like the PFDJ independence day wasn’t done for PFDJ politics either. But what gives? In the previous paragraph, we saw how the tragedies are dismissed as nothing significant and here we see the tragedy is kept in solitude. Even the PFDJ event didn’t remember his close relative (I guess for its own politics), yet my friend’s feet led him some place I am at loss to make sense.

    There all kinds of relationships and bonding that we are part of in our lives. These include: family, friend, faith group, political party, business, association….and citizenship. For each member of every type of relationship, there are expectations, norms and traditions. What is my Eritrean citizenship bonding with fellow citizens that could care less if I live or die? Who would stand for me, who would I stand for? Is it of any value? Would your family members continue with their lives as normal as you fight for your life due to major accident? Would your friends ignore to attend your functions? Would your fellow citizens pretend nothing happened as unheard of miseries are befalling to their fellow citizens? I am sure your mind knows the answer to every one of the questions, but our hearts accepted our current regrettable state to pass for a common citizenship, what a farce! We can’t run away from each other on desperate times, that augers for far dangerous times ahead.

    I believe (and I talk to all kinds of Eritreans be opposition/supporters/silents…) we have this situation been forced on us, we know it is wrong, we know it is unsustainable but no one knows how to break free. The question is not about leadership, seeing corners, or other smart attributes. It is a question of vision, a question of inspiration, a question of trust restoration, a question of confidence building. My proposed approach is for the organized opposition to acknowledge this reality and take initiatives that challenge the status qou. I believe our people have enough mental capacity to think back to front, but we just aren’t putting our heart to it. That is at the core of the heart and mind concept in the Eritrean dilemma.

    If my friend doesn’t trust to accept your honoring of his fallen flesh and blood, stop and see with your heart. Did you build and cultivate a caring relationship in advance or just visited the shop to buy candles when it happened? Caring is heart work. It is not emotion because there is no instant physical expression to it. It is a state of a heart that belongs. I am nod a cardiovascular scientist, so I have no ready made facts to flash at you. But, as it stands, our citizenship commitment is in name only to a dispassionate observer. And it is hard to break the silence without addressing that.

    Regards

    • Kokhob Selam

      the Great እምበር the great!

      እውይ ሃይላት ሓወይ ክትረግም !! ኣንታ ነዛ ጉዳይ ሲ ዶባት ጌርካ ርግጥ ……ብቀደሙስ ደይ ከምኣ ንግበር ዘልኩ : በል ድሓን ስረይ ንቁልቁል ዘቅርቦ ግጥሚ ብሽልማት እንተዘይሰኒኻ ::

    • saay7

      Selamat Haile Hayal:

      So we don’t argue past each other, may I summarize your points and then you tell me that it is either a fair representation of your views or you amend it? This is my understanding on the jist of your message:

      1. The tragedy that has befallen Eritrea is of such magnitude that it, and it alone, should suffice for the Eritrean people to take sustained measures in proportion to the tragedy that has befallen.

      2. The reason we do not do this is because we yield to our fears. If we just did what our heart calls for and desires (compassionate, sustained response), instead of our mind (calculating, fearful), then we would have been in a much better place.

      3. The Eritrean opposition organizations are best situated to inspire and motivate the people into action. To do that, they, notwithstanding the plethora of their programs, should create a framework strategy that focuses on being first-responders. This will focus the people on what unifies us and not what separates us, in turn this will create trust and the opposition organizations–their hearts aligned with that of the people–will be seen as caring and competent.

      4. When we do this, we reinforce the bonds of citizenship–that I care about someone deeply, just as I would care about a family member who is going through tragedy–because s/he is my compatriot. What is lacking now is not leaders with smart attributes but leaders who can inspire and restore trust. The organized opposition should take this as its priority. Let’s make it our duty to care for one another.

      saay

      • haileTG

        Haha saay, 100% disagree? hmmm…we’re off to good start as far as good old debate goes?

        1 – Not exactly. If you refer to my #2;

        “This disjunction has resulted in a dangerous silence and paralysis limiting their/our ability to respond naturally.”

        It means that by and large the diaspora masses have remained indifferent collectively. The example is the friend I mentioned who lost a close relative and would rather go to PFDJ celebration than the justice seeking group’s memorial. He reasoned that the latter “doesn’t care and is only doing it for its politics”. He contends that he would have done the right thing otherwise under Normal circumstances.

        Dear saay, either accept there is collective indifference or not (don’t forget Eritreans now number est. 6 million).

        2 – Your “… In fact, listening to our heart is the only solution to what ails us.” is neither relevant nor stated anywhere in my text. Yes, we will be in better position as people is we value one another.

        3 – The Eritrean opposition would be best advised to start thinking along playing a part in what matters to people most. This topic is one of it because it is the major issue the youth is caught up in. I am not assessing their current competency, hence didn’t argue they are “best suited” as you put it. This is transformative idea and need to make necessary adjustment to be “best suited” as they stand now. But an organization is needed to do this because without that you will not address the root fear of “the unknown” in peoples mind.

        4 – The leaders need to be with smart attribute to serve the purpose of restoring trust and inspiring hope. Leaders with smart attribute that can bridge the disjunction creating paralysis that can only be interpreted as indeference (even if one may not admit to). I am not saying we don’t care with smart attribute, but one applied in where it is needed most.

        So, please correct your reading as per the text outlined. Copying and pasting my #1, 2, 3, 4 and supplying your answer would be the easiest. Re-defining and restating is not appreciated as an honest undertaking. The writing is organized in:

        Statement
        numbered positions
        and
        supporting discussion

        You only have 4 points to agree or disagree in essence, that is the reason I have designed it that way. Your reputation of re-defining someone else’s definition is getting ahead of you dear saay …haha 🙂 I am under strict instruction to hold your feet firmly to the terms of the debate..ha tough, right? 🙂

        Happy Sunday

        • saay7

          Selamat Hailat:

          Ummm…mkay. I am not redefining, I am seeking clarification. Maybe I have a comprehension problem or maybe your writing is open to various interpretations: warning object is not as clear on computer screen as it appears in your head:) so I will go with your numbered points by adding a lot of qualifiers of if this is what you mean, then that…uffff :))))
          Saay

          • haileTG

            Hi saay,

            I am still hopeful the current bout of prevarication will not yield any result. The points are written in numbered short sentences, dictionary is publicly available, there is virtually nothing you can tell me about you or me that will substitute to right clicking copy + paste my statements and prove otherwise or accept. A two year old kid will not expect a leader who doesn’t see corners, but what corners? I have spelled out the corners and either add more corners, or dismiss those given.

            Humbly awaiting, your humble opinion on what I said sir.

            Your humble brother:-)

          • tes

            Dear haile TG*,

            If we have a term related to personal political ownership hegemony, he is definitely saay7. I commend his skills, analysis, containing and provoking. So far, no one has mastered the skills saay7 has.

            Saying the above, saay7’s smartness should be bissected first before we discuss or debate with him. For now, I wish saay7 had used your strategy before. When I say this, I have a reason. Therefore, haile TG, go back to your heart and combine it with your mind when you deal with saay7. if not, he will turn you off easily simply because he uses his mind only.

            take care buddy.

            tes

            * On your narration about the one who lost his family member, I have also similar history from one who lost his 21+ son and his brother’s daughter, 18+. Both drowned in the sea at the same time while crossing to europe. We visited him thinking that he is in deep sorrow. Instead, he bit his chest saying, “yesterday** I was shabia, today I am shabia”

            **He was just a businessman running from border to border during the armed struggle (as per his own biography).

          • saay7

            Hey Hailat:

            I am going to go to your bulleted points and to the examples you provided as supporting evidence for your points. Here we go:

            1 – The Eritrean society’s (especially in the diaspora) political discourse about the homeland is characterized by an obvious disjunction between their hearts desires and their mind’s fears.

            Now, from the above, the words “hearts desires” and “mind’s fears” are neutral phrase. It is only when we go to the example you provided where we learn that the “heart’s desire” is good and the “mind’s fears” are bad. This comes from the example you gave of a mixed-company of Eritreans gathered at a mourning where the subject of the Eritrean tragedies (Mediterranean Sea?) comes up and because the subject is not pursued with the depth you require is an example of “callous disregard of the tragedies of our brethren [due to a]fearful mind. There is a disjunction there.” Then you create the analogy of telling a family member of a medical emergency and how they would have reacted differently: this is supposed to illustrate our “callous disregard of the tragedies of our brethren.”

            Here’s my disagreement with you, Hailat. If I were in that gathering, I would have been among those who kept their silence and paricipated in the “occasional smile and sudden gazes on the wide empty spaces above the head of the speaking party.” This is because I would probably disagree with the diagnostics (why it is happening) and the proscription (what should be done about it.) Yet, I am not callous at all.

            This website publicized, heavily, the Lampedusa tragedy. It did a lot of investigative reporting (within its modest means) and published the list of those we lost. It published every grievance observation held all over the Diaspora. Still, this website, to my knowledge (SGJ please correct) did not report the equally horrendous loss of 300 plus Eritreans in the Mediterranean Sea (the largest ever) in April of this year. Why? Did we suddenly become insensitive and callous? Did we stop caring about our people? I think the real answer is not callousness or fear: it is realization that we owe more to our people than repeating what the entire Eritrean social media is saying and try to come with a solution. So, I fundamentally disagree with your characterization of a segment of Eritreans as being callous or fearful. The more accurate word, I think, is a sense of helplessness: I wish I can do more, but I can’t do more beyond mourning.

            2 – This disjunction has resulted in a dangerous silence and paralysis limiting their/our ability to respond naturally.

            What does it mean to respond naturally? Here you give the example of a friend: “We were talking after his attendance of the independence celebration (PFDJ) and he also knew there was a gathering of justice seekers to remember the last month’s sinking of 350 Eritreans and ISIS victims. He told me that he wouldn’t go there because they weren’t doing it out of concern for him but “their own politics”!”

            Now, to you, the “natural” response of your friend (who attends a PFDJ-organized independence celebration) to also attend a gathering by “justice seekers.” But how is this natural, Hailat? Why is it surprising to you at all (so much so that you apologized to justice seekers in advance) that a person who doesn’t buy into the politics of justice seekers would refuse to attend an event organized by them? You mean to tell me, at some point, that his attendance is not going to be used for political-end by the justice-seekers in terms of quantifying the numbers who attended? That there wouldn’t be a poem or two read on the “dictatorial regime” and ” armenawi Isaias?” Isn’t this the same discussion we were having about why some Eritreans are reluctant to attend PFDJ-organized independence day celebrations? Last year, my all-time-favorite Eritrean artist, Wedi Tkul, was in the Bay Area. I couldn’t attend: because, I would have been asked to hold-hands and pledge allegiance to PFDJ’s Eritrea, it probably would have been preceded by a “seminar” and a “fund-raiser.” So why is it surprising at all that your friend wouldn’t attend? And how is that, remotely, an indication that what he did is not “natural”?

            3 – Inspiring people about the levels of sufferings taking place and dedicated courageous initiatives of those trying to stand in support of the suffering can motivate the people to overcome such disjunction.

            I agree with you so long as we make a distinction between victims. We have total and complete moral superiority when we talk about a person who stands up to the Isaias Afwerki’s regime in Eritrea and gets killed, arrested, tortured and disappeared. We are on slippery ground when we attribute the Lampedusa tragedy entirely and completely on Isaias Afwerki regime. I understand the reasons: because there are ready-made videos and photographs of the boat tragedies and because we can see, hear, feel them, we want to scream at the top of our lungs to the world that this would not have happened had the Isaias Afwerki regime not been as brutal and youth-future-killing. But the Mediterranean’s biggest tragedy had a lot of migrants from Ghana and, as a smug PFDJ writer wrote, “Ghana is a democracy and has elections.” It was Eritrea-based Catholic Church who called on Eritrean youth not to leave their countries, not us. Why? Because we would come across as hypocritical if we were to tell them that exile is not the answer. We downplay the role of the pull factors and emphasize Isaias’s push factors. We cannot statistically defend arguments that some of the migrants include Ethiopians. We cannot with absolute certainty say they are political and not economic migrants. (This is one of the reasons I would have been one of the quiet attendants of the Hazen you attended.)

            Meanwhile, we have Eritreans in Eritrea in containers, being tortured, killed, disappeared, enslaved and because we don’t have THE CONNECTION TO ERITREA to be able to showcase their stories, their images, their videos, we leave their stories untold. How many stories, videos, interviewes have been conducted of Eritreans in Ethiopian refugee camps? In Sudanese refugee camps. In fact, the Ethiopian government just yesterday produced a masterful documentary (a rebuttal to “The Other Narrative”)–it should have been a story told by us and by our opposition leaders. This takes me to the last point:

            4 – The organized opposition have a lot of face lifting to do, a lot of demonstration to do to show that they can handle the challenge and a lot of impression to make as viable replacement. For that reason I suggest that the organized opposition would upgrade it into “framework strategy” that cuts across all of what they do as a unifying theme of all of their operations. This would give them the caring image, increase public confidence and speed up popular engagement towards a peoples struggle. The bonds and relationships it would create would restore trust and the experience it yields would prepare them for the job of a government.

            I think this is probably the one that rubbed me off the wrong way: face-lifting! That implies cosmetic change. We are going to entrust this responsibility to an opposition organizations that have repeatedly demonstrated that they are more interested in post-Isaias Eritrea than how to bring about post-Isaias Eritrea? How are they going to come up with “framework strategy” that unifies all their operations when they barely talk to one another? So here, my disagreement with you is on both counts: (a) that alleviating the suffering of (exiled?) Eritreans should not be their priority: I think the role of the organized opposition should be alleviating the suffering of Eritreans in Eritrea and that those of us in exile should be dealing with transitioning the refugees into exile; and, if it were (b) they are not up to the task as they have repeatedly, over-and-over, demonstrated that their role is mostly about jockeying for positions in after-Isaias Eritrea.

            The fear that people have is real and I wish you wouldn’t underestimate it as if it is something that is either beyond our control or so minuscule that it is not worthy our time. The risk is that a post Isaias Afwerki Eritrea will usher in a chaotic Eritrea. The “framework strategy” I would want from any opposition is an agreement that, whatever happens, they will never ally with a foreign power to defeat or declare war on a fellow Eritrean. If they were to do that (never mind if they will execute on it) but if they were to meet and make that a common declaration that they sign in front of Eritrean shimagletat, then I think they would alleviate people’s fears.

            In your response to Tzigereda, you were creating a comparison with Ghedli and its vanguard role. The fact is that very few people now, unlike the time of Ghedli, are willing to dedicate 100% of their time and efforts to bringing about the removal of Isaias Afwerki. Almost all of us, including those who are our “opposition organization” are part-time warriors. So, we really have to align our expectations with our sacrifices. It is a fact (since we are doing brutal self-assessment) that that is contributing greatly to our slow-as-snails opposition struggle. Dramatized greatly when your opponent is committed to staying in power and devoting 100% of their time and energy towards it. How many in this forum are willing to give it all up and fight for the cause 100% of the time?

            saay

          • tes

            Dear saay7,

            I have a reason when I appreciate awate.com. And I found it between your lines why I do so. You wrote, “..Why? Did we suddenly become insensitive and callous? Did we stop caring about our people? I think the real answer is not callousness or fear: it is realization that we owe more to our people than repeating what the entire Eritrean social media is saying and try to come with a solution…”.

            I agree with you in this regard. AT and the forums didn’t remain in sorrow and drifted like a white cloud. The forum to her lead to look staright forward instead of stucking and just cry. Thanks today, we have lots of information medias who are covering every incident that happens. Yet, we need information medias that gives us light and hope.

            But here, AT should give its readers by refering or direct posting other hot news that matters most. If we refer each other, we grow together.

            But haile TG’s intention is not upto that level. He just brought as a study case. He has a master skill of bringing study cases. May be he worked with NGO’s or international organizations that report special study case lines in their wide report papers.

            tes

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            You see, this is what I was looking for, a direct and head on tackling of the issues as you see them. Because, had I allowed the “latitude“ to our debate, we would have been discussing potassium and calcium action potentials in the heart`s dilation and contractions. Thank goodness we didn`t do that to ourselves. Now to the points you raised as counter to my assertion:

            1 – In your discussion here you attempted to justify silence. Taking your personal preference not to engage as point of departure, you are self defeating the very purpose and intent of a justice seeker, i.e. tone with unyielding motivation to tackle injustice wherever and whenever. Be it at idea level or other practical undertakings. You prefer to be a no entity and a no voice because you disagree with the `diagnostics`and `prescription. That makes you uninterested third party if you dislike callous. When our children judge it, it will be elevated to `despicable`indifference however. You went on to contradict AT`s standing position on the matter by claiming that its not publication of the recent tragedies as being `it is realization that we owe more to our people than repeating what the entire Eritrean social media is saying and try to come with a solution.` That is not what AT is on record telling us for the reason. The AT has told us that it would report in a Value-added-reporting instances where there is additional material it can provide other than what is already reported elsewhere. AT didn`t say that it has reached a realization that it owes more to the people and hence decided to do without reporting. That is like telling me to go hungry without a meal because you can`t serve me stakes for dinner. I need food to survive and doesn`t have to be stakes or other fancy menu if the need is what is being satisfied here. Of course, if AT has changed its policy and will no longer provide coverage unless it has `solution`then that is another matter. What this boils down is that let alone to inspire a struggle for justice, you even have lost the motivation do it yourself by justifying silence! Even, at the risk of furnishing unsupported facts about AT itself. That is not seeing corners saay, it is getting lost in your own corners.

            2 – In this section you are completely blinded and lost for direction. You argue that because the justice seekers podium is used politicizing as the PFDJ is, then what is the difference! Saay, you don`t understand. Some politics is righteous and some is not. Some is for justice and some is for oppression. You have them weighed morally equal!! Politics has been in Eritrea and will be in Eritrea regardless of time. It is permanent part of society. During independence struggle, EPLF had politicized social gatherings and Mengistu had the same too. You go to where your heart and mind is. As an Eritrean you don`t dismiss EPLF politicization as equivalent to what Mengistu was trying to do, nor can an Ethiopian (pro mengistu) expected to do like wise from his or her side. By equating the PFDJ politicization to that of justice politicization, forget the corners, you not even sure to tell by looking straight ahead. You said the story should have been told by us, that is why I said you aspire to be an orator as Mahmuday wrongly tried to identify me as. You justify silence, you equate PFDJ politicization to that of Justice seekers`and after finishing off knocking down your own home, you expect to invite guests to it! Unbelievable!

            3- Here you are contradicting your very purpose. In case you forgot, you are on the opposite side of the argument that calls on the organized opposition to work to gather the facts, information and other assets that helps the narrative of the suffering youth. That is the heart of our heart debate. The focus of the opposition to be more centrally placed on the current situation. The opposition have been doing the sort of orator politics you are suggesting and I am suggesting leadership and initiative. In this section you disclosed how much at a loss you are to counter PFDJ`s disgusting assertions and earlier on you justified silence because you disagree with `diagnosis`and `prescriptions`! that is just a jolly good entertaining because you don`t seem to see that one would disagree because they are armed with facts to do so. If you can`t counter PFDJ`s assertion that it is Ethiopians who are dying in their hundreds that is simply because you are not out there and meeting and working with families of victims and arrivals. The heart and mind at framework strategy level means the organizations have contacts in different places and can source information and deliver support much more than if me or you were to do it personally. This isn`t about who they are or their current status, this is a vision away from the unhinged smarty panty approach that has failed flat in the face.

            4- Your entry here is straight from the pages that you and I don`t see eye to eye on. I don`t discount Eritreans here for another illusive one`s there. Eritreans are Eritreans and as entitled as one another wherever they are or what ever they are doing. You and me have no more or less right than anyone else, concession is the key. Otherwise, you will just be another faction shooting from a technical as much as the next guy can do. Some can fear south, some can fear east for their own reasons and calculations, but nothing is more shorter distance to realize those fears than holding those groups in such low esteem. The call is for any one, or two or all organizations, i.e whoever wish to succeed, needs to deal with current challenges not super inflated ego of so called smart wizards. I am surprised you argued with N Emnetu saying that the current generation is just like the ghedli if inspired correctly and here you are saying they are not like those generation. The reason people give 100% of their time is when they see something is worthy of 100% of their time. The current mind only, orator politics is not something that would convince anyone to do so. When the young people above did what they did, tens of thousands participated by directly donating or indirectly by comments, shares, likes and what have you. When the smarty panty, corner watchers, lousy shooters tern up to share a document or what, hardly a dozen would. How could they attract more, because they are all about pompous declarations one sort or another. And you are recommending more of the same, which is all the more puzzling.

            PFDJ, or other detractors would never be able to counter an opposition that takes center position of the peoples everyday problems and that requires tact, skill and foresight. It always works because it is authentic and there is genuine need that fuels it on the ground. That is called leadership. While declaring to free Eritreans in Eritrea by getting as far as possible from its physical borders is called orator politics. Mahmuday made me laugh when he had us mixed up, may be he thinks we`re twins:)

            cheers

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            I will get to this later on, time allowing. Apparently, using the heart is all about using adjectives and exclamation points. Everytime you write what you consider the definitive answer, it just shows (to me anyway) why the opposition hasn’t made much movement: it is all outrage and indignation with no plan. In the meantime, please refer to SGJ latest article on the opposition organizations whose role you equate to that of Ghedli.

            saay

          • haileTG

            Thanks saay,

            Please remember the rule of addressing issues holds. Again, there is nothing you can tell me about mine or your attribute to circumvent dealing with points before you. Focus is the primary currency in this exchanges, I hope you will be prudent and frugal with it:)

            cheers!!!

          • saay7

            No, thank you, Hailat!

            No rush, I will respond. But first I want to make sure that emotions don’t cloud my judgement:)

            saay

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            I don’t know if this is going to be useful to the readers: the original premise of our debate was that you would define what heart over matter is and conclusively demonstrate that it is a superior alternative to what we have now. Now I see us in a tit-for-tat where I think we are supposedly discussing the merits of the four pillars of your argument but, the way discussions go, it will be the rebuttal to your rebuttal to my rebuttal. I trust the readers will steer us if we do too deep into the weeds.

            1. Tackling Injustice Anywhere and Everywhere. There are many times where I choose silence, particularly in public setting. In fact, my default position in public settings is silence: because that is the only way to learn: God knows the public persona is that who is always talking (actually writing.) Plus, I am not a persuasive speakers (which is why your rhetorician claim is misplaced: you can just tell Mahmud, no, I am the leader type not Saleh, without having to give me, as consolation prize, a skill I don’t possess.) Now, that aside, you appear to have taken the if-you-are-not-with-us-you-are-against-us George Bushian world dichotomy to heart. In the particular example you gave of Eritreans who took the government position and those who took our opposition position, your narration was that the rest were silent, and not making eye contact. From this observation, you take the point that their heart knows that those in the opposition are right, but its mind is too fearful to say it.

            This doesn’t give room to those who may see merit in both arguments: that, we in the opposition are right, that the PFDJ is 100% responsible for chasing Eritreans out of Eritrea; that the PFDJ is also right that the West is responsible for creating asylum havens for them to “empty out the country of its youth.” That is, the Eritrean government is entirely the sole responsible party for why an Eritrean crosses the border from Eritrea to Ethiopia or Sudan, but then there are many factors that contribute to why an Eritrean would move (at their or family’s expense) to death traps all over the world. There is a conspiratorial strain among Eritreans, largely because Eritrea’s annexation by Ethiopia, and its lonely struggle to reverse it are considered acts by the US, UN, etc and we ignore this Eritrean sentiment, and fail to address it at our peril.

            Here’s supporting evidence: in 2005, I interview Mr. Mengesteab Asmerom, who is now the chairman of EPDP. We were discussing the period of 1981-1985: the ELF-EPLF civil war and its aftermath, and why the ELF just crumbled. Here’s what he told me:

            During this period, there was an international conspiracy to ensure that the Front’s combatants never returned to the field. The Western nations had opened up their gates for migrants and this was the period when many combatants got the opportunity to go to Germany, America, etc.

            I see this sentiment now not just among the PFDJ; I hear it echoed by many in the “silent majority.”

            Ghezae: here are the arguments made by the other side: (a) the pull of Eritreans to Europe is a Western conspiracy; (b) the migrants are not asylum-seekers but economic migrants; (c) not all of those who claim to be Eritreans are Eritreans. From these three, I said the one that is easier to disprove is (c) and I suggested that, to avoid anecdotal information (I have my own statistics, for example, of Eritrean refugees in my neck of the woods), it would be useful for the first responders to gather the data. I tend to put a lot of weigh in data and so does everyone else: it is just that some of us are quite willing to accept third-party statistics when it is actually something that nobody else knows better than us. Why that shocks you, I don’t know exactly.

            2. Moral Equivalence: Haile you are completely outraged that I am creating a parallel between the reluctance of an Eritrean who lost loved ones in the Mediterranean Sea/ISIS to join a pro-justice rally with the reluctance of an Eritrean who wants to celebrate independence day to join a PFDJ-organized party. The first, to you, is prima facie, morally superior. I don’t know much about your friend, but I was using him as a proxy for the typical Eritrean who may not want to go to an opposition rally: he doesn’t want to be used for propaganda purposes particularly since he doesn’t buy into their entire agenda. With respect, you are the one trying to create a false parallel between today’s opposition organizations and the Ghedli era political organizations. With Ghedli era political organizations, either due to our naievete (they were super-secretive) or due to the clarity of destination (an independent Eritrea), or the amazingly persuasive walk-the-took (willingness to sacrifice it all), we were willing to follow them anywhere. Not so with the current opposition. And every time there is any discussion of how to make the opposition organization worthy of being followed by Eritreans, how to reform them, have seen the reaction in this forum. You have more than seen: you have participated in the calcification of the opposition. Ghezae, since you invited yourself to this party, yep, that goes for you too. Anytime there has been any discussion opened on how to reform the opposition, you reappear here to tell us, like a doctor with the clipboard: the patient is fine, he is in good hands.

            3. I don’t know what you were responding to here: I just skipped it by saying, “oh, Haile is angry again.” I honestly don’t take it personally, really. I have read you rail against Eritreans–in general–and I have just excused it with “Haile is angry.” If there is a point worth pursuing tell me, but I think I have addressed it. I think I read you again telling us you are a leader not an orator (damn you, Mahmuday): then lead Haile, by all means, lead. Just read SGJ new dictum: we are not following anonymous leaders. We did that for 15 years and now we don’t know who is an Eritrean leader and who is a Manchurean Candidate.

            4. My point to N. Emnetu, and to Mizaan and to anybody else (including you) who says Eritreans have changed, Hamiqna, Hasweti ina (as you called Eritreans), or they are fearful people, or they are hypocrites, etc is: you are wrong. They are just not inspired. And they are not going to be inspired by angry people; they are not going to be inspired by leaders who are just executors of NGO action plans, and they certainly are not going to be inspired by leaders who take their marching orders from south of border. If I am wrong, prove me wrong. Bigibri:)

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Hi Sal hawey,

            “I just told the world the truth. And if my truth then becomes political, I can’t do anything about th…” – Miriam Makeba”

            I really need some clarification from you as your response has little to offer, as far as I am concerned….

            1.Did you not just make the following points to drive home the point that ‘some’ (whatever
            the percentage) of Eritreans fleeing and drowning are economic migrants and that the regime’s narrative may have some degree of ( whatever the percentage) veracity.

            You wrote “We are on slippery ground when we attribute the Lampedusa tragedy entirely and completely on Isaias Afwerki regime….We cannot with absolute certainty say they are
            political and not economic migrants. (This is one of the reasons I would have been one of the quiet attendants of the Hazen you attended.)

            You mentioned Catholic bishops letter..”..It was Eritrea-based Catholic Church who called on Eritrean youth not to leave their countries, not us…” downplaying the most quotable of the paper, “If one has honey in his own…”

            In the next installment, you doubled down..“…And This doesn’t give room to those who may see merit in both arguments:…but that the PFDJ is also right: the West is responsible for creating asylum havens for them to “empty out the country of its youth.”

            Lately, I can’t help but notice there is a disconnect and dare I say an inconsistency in your views. So if you are telling us that PFDJ’s narrative has some truth, why do you rebut Ms. Burton, and wrote as part of AT, “if the tyrannical rule in Eritrea continues, Europe should brace itself to receive rivers of refugees..” The implication that is unavoidable is you MUST also agree that such whatever % should not GET PROTECTION in Europe or ‘the West as the west is creating asylum havens’ and the IMPLICATION IS THAT their deportation is possibly the right course of action. That line of thought is what shocked since you appeared you missed why I was shocked.

            2. On humanitarian front..The case is easy for me. I will bring something you definitely realted to. Even they were primarily armed and political organizations, EPLF and ELF had refugee relief
            wings. ERA and ERRS. Why? Because it was the need that brought them about. So why does the organized opposition needs, affiliates in the humanitarian efforts? Because it is enormously and urgently needed more than ever…Is that political? If doing the right thing is dubbed political, and helping your own is political, let it be…”I just told the world the truth. And if my truth then becomes political, I can’t do anything about that.” – Miriam Makeba”

            That is the part dear Sal I found it be bewildering in many aspects your recent posts in the forum. There is a pattern here; you castigated the refrerence Eritrea as North Korea reference as work of NGO’s. (I can bring the quote if you want); you called pro-justice events as politicized as that of PFDJ. Your views are veering away from the mainstream opposition and I feel like we are missing
            something here. There is a disconnect and dare I say an inconsistency in your views. And whenever we call you to be part of the organized opposition to reform it, you pass.

            3. You wrote…”you reappear here to tell us, like a doctor with the clipboard: the patient is fine, he is in good hands. And if you don’t like this doctor, what’s stopping you: go to another doctor.” You couldn’t be more wrong. I always said one thing: The opposition is ailing and writing about the ailment is akin to describing the waters when one is drowning. One needs to be get one’s hand dirty and do the JOB himself. The opposition gate is wide because it is the people’s gate; it should be up to each one of us individually and collectively. The rest is absconding one’s responsibility. I repeatedly said in this forum if one doesn’t like the one’s in Addis; we can create bigger and better in Diaspora as there hundreds of thousands of us there…nobody is stopping us from there, except ourselves.

            The harvest/farm is big…workers are few..very few….

            All the best,

            Ghezae

          • saay7

            Selamat Caro avvocato Ghezae:

            Interesting quote because one of my favorite communities is the one Mahmuday created: the “Truth-bound community.” It is the flip side of Miriam Makeba’s quote: I will tell the truth EVEN if it may politically advantageous to my opponent because (a) it is the right thing to do and (b) it separates me from my opponent in the eyes of those I am trying to win over. Right Mahmuday?

            1. I don’t know why this is confusing you, Welahi I don’t. (How’s that for TBC). I think it is because you are exercising syllogism fallacy which goes something like this:

            (a) Ms. Burton asserted that Eritrean migrate for economic reasons
            (b) You are expressing doubt that 100% of Eritreans who arrived in European shores are doing it for political reasons
            (c) therefore, what’s the difference between you and Burton and why were you critical of her?

            First of all, what Ms. Burton said (I know you heard it) was that Eritreans who migrate remain Eritreans because they leave for financial reasons and once they get their green card in their host country (she laughs) they go back to being Eritreans. She is saying that there was NO political reason for them at all to leave Eritrea. I am saying there is nothing but political reason for them to leave Eritrea. One big difference.

            Second of all, we are now talking about the steps people take once they leave Eritrea and have been housed in refugee camps in Ethiopia, for example. Since everyone knows how and why people would rather take risks to go to Europe than rot in an Ethiopian refugee camp–including everyone at the Hazzen that Haile attended–it is pointless and damaging to discuss it here. You know it and I know it. There is a refugee pattern to Eritreans: who went to the Middle East in the 1970s, who was and is still stuck for 3 generations in Sudanese refugee camps, who went to Sweden, who went to the US and, frankly, I don’t want to discuss it here. But everybody at the hazzen Hailat attended knows it. Thirdly, I have enough Marxism left over in me to know that economic reasons = political reasons. But your average asylum case worker and Ms. Bruton l doesn’t: so again, I won’t say more.

            I think the only time I addressed this publicly (Hailat, ask the attendants, I was far from an “orator”) was at an event organized for Elsa Chyrum where I say that over the years the pull and push factors have increased.

            https://dissidentdiaries.wordpress.com/tag/awate-com/

            I know one of the favorite forum hobby is to detect differences between what Alnhda and Negarit say vs what Awate Team says vs what SGJ and saay say. See if you can detect our acknowledgement of the pull factors here: (I still don’t understand why you are shocked)

            http://awate.com/human-trafficking-the-single-focus-on-its-inhumane-aspects/

            WIth respect to WHO is migrating, apparently, the Eritrean “delay-fitHi” position is to say that 100% of the individuals claiming to be Eritrean; and for the PFDJ to say that 100% of the individuals claiming to be Eritrean are in fact Ethiopian. Ms Bruton came in to muddy the waters and say that “some” are not Eritreans but Sudanese, Somali, etc. You seem to be frustrated (shocked is I think the word you used) that Eritreans who are at the frontlines of this should know and they should disclose. But that truth becomes political and, unlike Miriam Makeba, they CAN do something about it. So we are left with Hailat’s Hazzen attendant to stare blankly because they know what they know. And I know what I know. A member of TBC would say that the number is so negligible as to not even be remotely statistically significant. Not be bullied by the activists into saying, “yep, it is 100%.”

            2. The EPLF/ELF and their refugee relief agencies. Well, we have ELF and EPLF veterans here and I will let them be first hand witnesses. Let’s count the ways on how different things were then from now: (a) The two fronts ONLY reluctantly agreed to Eritreans leaving the countries and did everything they could to make sure they don’t entertain refuge as an option by conscripting (rounding up) youth. (b) Once they left the countries, the ELF and EPLF were competing with Ethiopia to make sure that Eritreans do not revert back to an Ethiopian identity–we had no country then–and did everything they could to provide social services to people without passports. (c) There was no large, relatively well-to-do Diaspora that could create a civil society to help refugees. (d), the two organizations were big on “democratic centralism” and believed that every “mass organization” should be within their satellite. None of these apply now.

            In my view, the role of a political organization is to mobilize and organize Eritreans so they can assert their rights; to win over their hearts and minds” of the people (as the political programme of the opposition groups describes it); to break away and parcel out allies from the EDF. It is the role of the independent civil society to help in the resettlement of refugees; to create human rights advocates and pressure groups;to provide social services.

            3. North Korea: I consider that one of the perfect examples of how the Eritrean opposition doesn’t even own its vocabulary (since you brought up ELF/EPLF, compare it with that era.) This phrase, casually thrown by an unnamed diplomat in an interview with LA Times (2007) when he said the Eritrean regime is going to turn Eritrea into Albania or Korea, soon morphed into Eritrea: Africa’s North Korea. You are a movie fun: you know how they pitch movies in Hollywood, right? “It is Godzilla meets When Harry Met Sally”. Since nobody knows where Eritrea is, somebody decided to market it as “Africa’s North Korea.” The problem with that, dear Ghezae, is that you are lowering expectations that any Westerner who goes to Eritrea will come back favoribly impressed: the exact opposite of what we are trying to do. But why is it a big enough issue that you created a bullet out of it?

            I just noticed I didn’t answer any of Hailat’s concerns. I blame it all on you, Ghezae:)

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Hi Sal,

            Few words here by comments standard:)

            1. The search for truth is not negotiable under any circumstances. It is the essence of the Heart-bound-society. Hence on refugees fleeing, the truth is they can’t live in Eritrea because of the totalitarian regime PFDJ created; the very few who may think have other reasons are so insignificant even to occupy our attention. This line of thinking should be our prevailing thought in the quest of refugee protection and saving our people at large.

            2. We seem to have clear differences on the role of organized opposition and humanitarian efforts. Hastily, the efforts to “mobilize and organize Eritreans” and to win over “the hearts and minds” of the people won’t be achieved if the organized opposition doesn’t show it CARES about saving lives in the mega-tragedies befalling on Eritreans…’B Neshto zeyemen ab abi kiemen aykealen iyu…’ In every organization I know, I called them to have humanitarian wing.*
            3. North Korea=Eritrea. You are a little bit oversimplifying the genesis here. But at any rate, it is a great and close description of Isaias regime and we should stick it as it helped the international community understand the nature of Eritrean regime; totalitarian; highly militarized; excessively ruthless; dystopian.
            All the best,
            Ghezae
            * You can ask if I got any takers for my call. Nope! I understand that now, not they don’t want to, it is that unless the interested people take it upon themselves, nobody does it. That sums my life’s experience with the opposition…if you suggest sth, they will tell you ’emo baeleka mexieeka zeytserho…!” ‘ anta hawna neay tray dya ezi teqawmo zibexehani…’
            Most of the great things I read from opposition critics at this forum won’t amount unfortunately to nothing, frankly speaking. The best way is to organize one’s own and take the mantle by doing a better job at opposing the PFDJ regime….until then, we will always go on blaming this or that; who doesn’t give a s…. about what you are saying; and goes on and on….that is our sad reality.

          • saay7

            Dear Hailat:

            It’s actually dear ghezae, but I feel bad for not replying:) baldongai wedie Hailat:)

            So on North Korea: the young feckle-faced three-letter-media reporter who get sent to report on Eritrea will note that Eritrea has no nuclear weapons, no gigantic posters of the prez, that he is not (yet) deity, and he wears plastic sandals, and the country is way too poor to run a thoroughly totalitarian state and he will come back gushing about “palm tree lined blvds.” And it will be your fault:)

            On the diff between civil society and political parties, I refer the honorable gentleman from Canada to the answer I have previously. I once criticized EPDP (a dangerous thing to do) for not living up to the hard goals it had set for itself (mobilizing, organizing Eritreans specially women and youth) and one of its supporters criticized me for not acknowledging its role in helping refugees in Wad Sherifey Sudan.

            Tsk tsk: Mahmuday sets up the truth-bound-society shop and right next to him you set up the heart bound society? Well: time for Yeats from his Etro Greek poem ” truth is beauty, beauty is truth: that’s all you know, that’s all you need to know.”

            Verily,
            Saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Sal,

            You are always loved and respected as you are very kind citizen of our endeared nation. I just hope you do more. Part of being ENCDC may be too much for your Heart. ..:):though it is ample time for most of us to get involved. ..as SECOND time is a charm…:)….but clearly you are under performing….that will be my feeling for you because I know the hallowness of our opposition in terms of its human capacity and you beating them is really really unfair….

            HAWKA

            Ghezae

          • haileTG

            Wo…saay, I think you left me out…oh well ane’wn tewediUni’yu 🙂 haha…

            cheers

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kubur Saay,

            Forget it, there is no “Truth-bound community.” Please don’t approve for any self-annointed group. Because they declare it, doesn’t mean they are. This is not fun, the Eritrean people are vanishing in front our eyes. We need serious communications to face our predicament. Please, Pleas.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hello Aman
            The Truth-Bound Society is real. If you want a proof, I can just generate a copy of the “master programs” whose varieties are doting the Eritrean organizations with some changes, like:
            Truth-bound Society (TBS) (aka Truth-Bound Community) Objectives
            1- Building a society where women occupy the central role of decision making;
            2. Building a political process/culture where people have the final say on matters of national interest (too generic?), OK, where “how are we doing?” becomes the motto of our society, where people’s consent becomes the “making or breaking” stroke.
            3. Building a society where every citizen is a politician and decider; doing away the system of political brokering and behind-the-curtain deal making
            4. Building a political reality where places like Mekelle, Addis, Bishefutu, and Awassa…are strictly designated for holiday destinations and not as places from where the future of our nation is decided.
            5. Building a society where less conferences are needed for the sake of self-diluting and fragmenting.
            It is to be continued…my boy is nagging me.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            This is “kelam FarQ”. You could sing what ever you want to sing. Even the Eritrean government has a beautiful and meaningful name PFDJ (peoples front for democracy and justice). You and I know that they are not worth to their name. So what I am telling you is, you are not worth to the name.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Merhaba Emma tsaeda
            (Objectives of TBS continued)
            6. Building a society where scientists and inventors/ discoverers are respected more than political spinners.
            7. Creating a society where getting information is the right and not the privilege of ALL citizens. Motto: no citizen left behind because of the lack of information.
            8. Cultivating a culture where looking forward is actually the norm; where unfortunate citizens who are unable to pickup themselves from the muddy past are provided with opportunities for successful rehabilitation.
            9. (Open for expansion subject to future seen and unseen challenges, our program is dynamic, organic, and 100% owned by the stake holders)
            Recent activities
            The select committee on expansion of membership c continues to debate SAAY application. One sticking point which continues to hold his chance of admission on the balance is his mention that the current leadership of the opposition should hold a biet ghiorhis type swearing in based on the 1940s gentlemanly qualities. Noting those qualities don’t exist, the committee suspects SAAY has demonstrated a poor judgement in trusting current breed of leaders. Further interviews are on the calendar for flashing that out.
            2. The executive committee has concluded that given the Challenges TBS faces, it has actually accomplished more than any long standing organizations in inspiring citizens to take matters into their hands. The core message has been not to trust ghost politicians and their brokers; that the reign of trust us ” must end.
            Our slogan:
            Always bound by the truth!

          • saay7

            Mahmouday:

            20 nakfay mlesuley:)

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear saay
            Hang in there, Your chance of being accepted is promising.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear members
            The task of translating our communiques into Tigrayt, Tigrigna, and Arabic has been awarded to a translation company in Toronto, Semere and Co. Ltd. We are transparent.
            Always Bound By The Truth.

          • haileTG

            Dear Mahmuday,

            Can #4 be contradicting #3/#2, You can’t really support the right of people to have the final say and dictate for them what they should do and where. Can you? If #4 doesn’t work then your #3/#2 will take care of that. However, those that have betrayed our people and caused them to depend elsewhere, can’t be allowed to be “the system of political brokering and behind-the-curtain deal making” to decide how Eritreans should organize or where they should organize.

            Hence my objection to motion #4 to be dropped from the bill on grounds of serving unbridled shaebia arrogance.

            Sem arkey, please come to vote tonight for my amendment, I have marinated it lure partisan votes like your’s and the old guards from ELF (ሎሚ ዘይከተተ ብደዉ ከምዝሞተ፡)

          • Semere Andom

            Hi HGT:
            Rea my reply to cousin Gheteb, when you were away we did ansctery.com 🙂
            they want to make it illegal to go to those place, actually going to Ethiopia is no brainer, I told MS to surgically remove his obsession with the location of the fight.
            You can count on my vote

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Semere
            It was meant to drive Amanuel nuts. My dear Amanuel takes everything serious. The places have been updated. Who said maHmuday could not be a negotiating politician? That’s compromise in action. I hope Emma takes it to his buddies. BTW, the deadline for the translation is approaching. The TBS is big on holding people accountable.
            Always Bound By The Truth.

          • saay7

            Mahmouday, Haile TG:

            It’s been more than hour since TBS was founded. So in the grand tradition of Eritrean orgs

            TBS Logo

            Nehna gdusat hagerawian abalat TBS bzey democrasiawi agebab Haw MaHmud article 4 neTbi bado sle zqeyero, we have removed him from his position. Eli nay mettle gussy iyu:: We are the real TBS because we own the logo and the slogan.

            Slogan
            date in European format

          • haileTG

            ኩሉ ህዝቢ ክፈልጦ ዘለዎ ሓቂ (ካብ እሙናት ምንጭታት)

            ሳልሕ የኑስ መን እዩ?

            ምስ ሳልሕ የኑስ ዝተፋለጥና ኣብ ካርቱም ሱዳን እዩ። ሳልሕ ቅድሚ ናብ ውዱብና ምእታዉ፡ ምስ 09 ተመሻጢሩ፡ ኣብ ኮንትሮባንድ እቡ ጀዲድን፡ ካልእ ምስኡ ዝተኣሳሰር ከም እጀ ጠባብ፡ ጋብን ኩታን ናብ ኤርትራ ዘስግር ዝነበረ ሰብ እዩ። እዚ ሎሚ ብዘይ ዓንዲ ሕጊ ንኣቦ ወንበር ውዱብ ካብ ስልጣን ወሪዱ ዝብል ዘሎ፡ ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ንፖለቲካ ዝኸዱ፡ ሕሱር ዕዳጋ ኣቡ ጀዲድ ረኺቦም፡ ናይ ሱዳን ዕዳግኡ ከይዓጽዉ ስግኣት ነይርዎ። ዋላ ካብ ዓማዊሉ ከም ዝፍለጥ፡ ሜትሮ ክልተ ሜትሮ ከየጉደለ’ውን ኣይሸይጥን ነይሩ። እምበኣርከ’ስ ንናይ መን ረብሓ’ዩ ሎሚ ሳልሕ ዩኑስ፡ ንውዱብ ከፍርስ፡ ኣቦ ወንበር ይውረድ ዝብል ዘሎ? መልሱ ንህዝቢ ንገድፎ።

            ካብ ግዱሳት

          • saay7

            Omg Hailat. Dying!

            Too bad it won’t be published because it doesn’t have logo or slogan. And u didn’t have the most unflattering photoshopped pic of me. And did you even call it QlEti debdabe and fill it with puffery as to why it’s so urgent that the whole nation stop whatever it is doing to read it?

            Back in the day, SGJ and I used to take turns torturing each other with “— men iyu?” letters. We used broadcast voices..

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Dear Sal and HTG and chairman of TBS

            ብተወሳኺ ሳልሕ ዮኑስ አብ አመሪካ ተቀማኑይ ኮይኑ ርሕቀት ቤቱ ካብ ላንግሊ ንፉዕ ሸያናይ ከርክብሉ ይኸል፡ ንሱ እንተሳእና ድማ ጡፍ ኢልካ ከተርክብሉ ትኽእል

            ሻዕብያ ክትሓቅቅ አለዋ እሊ ምስ ደረሰ፡ ደሪሱ ምስ ተነብየ፡ ጨው እርትራ አብ ማይ ክም ዘይሓቅቅ ስል ዝተሰቆሮ ደሞክራስያዊ ዕልዋ ኢሉ ሓድሽ ዜማ የቅናብር ክም ዘሎ እሙናት ዔማታት ኽቲቦም

            ዘይነጽፍ ምንጭታት ኢርትራ ክምህ ስለ ዘይብል ግን እቲ ፍሕሶ ስልሕ ክጥመር ኮቶ አይከአለን፡ ብርዒኑ ክም ንፋስን ሸማልን በኒኑ

            ትም ክንብልስ ስለዝመርጽና እምበር ዝጽወ ክንደይ እልካ ክቁጸር፣ ንታሪኽ ክንገድፎ ኢና ፡ ገዲፍናዮ ማለት ግን ረሲዕናዮ ማለት አይኮነን፡ ኣካይዳን ክም ጎቡየ ተጻወርተና ክም ገመል፡ ኢድና ድማ ነዌሕ ክም ገብል፡ ኣተሓስብና በሊሕ ክም ቖቋሕ፡ አጋልብና ክም አምበላይ ፈርስ ፡ ንጠጥሞ ብሹሕ ክም ጤል ስለ ዝኾና ክሉ ንፈልጦ ኢና፡ ግን ወራይ ምሕንጻጻ ዶብ ሰለ ዘሎ ዕሽሽ ንብሎ

            ፈደይ ሕነ ቅቡእ ዳዊት

          • saay7

            Nice Sem!

            I just realized something though. Anybody who tries to read this thread will be completely confused. The thread shifts from serious discussions to halewlew back to serious… I hope we all get a lashing by Emma of how unserious we all are. No wonder he described TBS as “kelam farq.” Tinbit Amanuel ab bayta aytwerdn iya. So for those just joining, please try to pay attention to the date stamp of the posts. And if you have just been watching the potent video of Eritrean refugees on the other article and you just came here….this thread came before it.

            Back to our reality
            Thanks for the relief.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:
            I agree and I Emma may join us. This thread is good distraction, one cannot just try to go to bed after watching the documentary and when I saw the exchange I found my sleeping tablet

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            And this is the time I totally agree with Amanuel, It is less than “kelam Fariq.” Emma, you are needed here to tell them to make sense. Flooding the forum with such tenacity 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saay7

            ሳልሕ የኑስ መን እዩ ንሓፍሽ ህዝቢ ሕቡእ ጉዳይ ኣይኮነን ክኸውን ክኸውን ነቲ ምዑት ተጋዳልይ:: ነዚ ከምዚ ዝ ኣመሰላ መግለጺታት ቦታን ሚዛንን ክትህቦ የብልካን ሎሚ ትማሊ ኣይኮነን ንኣነዋሪ ጠቐነታት ዝቅበል ገርሂ ሰብ የለን::

          • haileTG

            Dear KS, you didn’t miss it’s a joke on the route the organizations go in splits and mergers, did you? 🙂

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hailat,
            do you think ? you know Kokhob more than anybody here.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan SAAY
            You are making the TBS scramble for damage control. A friendly”Tigage aleKa” is on its way*. The TBS intends to spend it’s meager budget on inspiring Hafash hzbna.
            IA one sentence to M/Sherifo.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Haylat
            anta rgoom orator! OK your suggestion has been considered, SAAY, a promising applicant has suggested similarly, and this will be a plus for him in his quest to be a member of our community. Hayltat, the door is open. The society hopes that it will win your trust.

          • saay7

            Hala Mahmouday:

            My kumbaya with Emma lasted less than 12 hours because of my request for application to join TBS. it’s a fine station that shows the NBA Finals…wait. I mean the Truth-Bound Society, founded by MS. Now, Haile TG, without securing a membership much less a quorum or a 2/3 majority is trying to amend it. I was going to say in the interest of peace, add Gedaref, Kassala, Khartoum to the list of forbidden cities…but that is politics and this is about Truth. So I recall my proposed addendum I was suggesting before I even secured membership.

            Is Fanti Ghana in the advisory committee? I can set our meeting calendar: we meet every Tuesday except when we don’t.

            saay

          • haileTG

            hey saay, you’re hard to please…OK can we meet in Badme? I hope you don’t drop your final and binding in a manner of shaebia’s last minute diplomacy:)

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Haylat
            Very possible, because
            1. Badme is Eritrean
            2. Salam club which is a sisterly organization led by the honorable Fanti G may facilitate SAAY7 security details, and lounges. The only problem, it may create a conflict of interests given the fact that Fanti G is an honorary Eritrean. But wayanena is flexible and I don’t see it couldn’t be negotiated.
            Did you see the amendments made per your honor’s submitted suggestions?

          • haileTG

            Hi Mahmuday,

            I thank the respected gathering for upholding my amendment motion. ግን ናይ ልቦም ድዮም ኢለ ሕስብ እንተበልኩዎስ፡ ልቢ ኣየድልን እናበሉ’ስ ካበይ ዝመጸ ልቢ እናበልኩ፡ በይነይ ሓምየኩም’ሞ፡ ትእመን’ድያ እዛ ጉዳይ ዋላ ከመይ? 🙂

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear HTG
            You have no idea how much the TBS wants the struggle to be transferred to the generation who understands the dynamics of today’s world. I mean it. I will observe self-restraining and self censoring at this time, but rest assured, the malaise inflicting the opposition is the impact of old grudges and built-in states of suspicions. I was referring to these debilitating suspicions which paralyzed the opposition when I said ” impasse” and ” stagnation ” in my previous reply to you.
            I really believe new way of thinking and new blood is needed. I trust the people who have no baggage or stains of the past.
            Haile, when I say ” trust you” I mean it. When I doubt your judgement I will say it. Stay clear of the old EPLF/ELF marshlands. Don’t get trapped no matter how bitter you feel about PFDJ. I have made peace with myself in declaring both of the organizations belong to me. I have no trust on folks who have checkered past, and who are ill-equipped to transform Eritrea.i will say it in detail in the right time.

          • ghezaehagos

            Haw Mahmud,

            I hope TBS to be real too. EVERY Eritrean initiative against the Isaias regime is welcome….That is the opposition as I always understand it…So without much ado welcome though you were always…

            Hawka.,

            GHEZAE

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Gezae
            With love and respect.
            TBS.

          • Ted

            Hi, The Great MS, you had me at hello, Number 1 is all i need to see.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Haw Ghezae,

            Good argument. Keep your line of argument alive please. You have value based argument. I love it.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            The reason I tried to keep the debate clear and pristine to the terms of discussion is to avoid us chasing around the block in a circle. A debate where one has no idea as to who is trying to prove what. Let’s look for example at your statement that my point is “heart versus mind” as opposed to “hearts AND minds” as highlighted in the title of the article itself. Saay, does “and” hold the same meaning and intention as “versus”? You may have your heart set on writing a wonderful novel, yet your mind tells you that you may not be able to pay your bills if you go for it and give up your day job. Suppose you disregard your mind’s fears and go with your heart. You then end up publishing an instant record sale breaker novel, becomes the most talked about and sought after book. It transforms your life like you never imagined before. You could have settled for paying your bills and never landed the chance of a life time or you could have lost it all, job, wasted time and useless book. What will not happen is that you follow your heart to publish and stop using your mind and produce a mindless book. You would use your mind where your heart is and in fact your mind is a strong asset in realizing your hearts desire to publish the novel you always wanted to.

            Saay, you created a non-existent contrarian dichotomy on the issue and disagreed 100%, only to tell me that the reason you disagree is because what I am saying hasn’t been done. If you dislike or oppose NGO doing what the opposition should be owning, why are you disagreeing with the concept of the opposition owning what the NGO is doing? Isn’t the call for the organized opposition to take up the challenges of the miseries of the people and have center stage at that?

            I think Ethiopia is the center of your politics as it stands. And you are not letting yourself to engage with fellow Eritreans unless you are given assurances on that. Unfortunately not everyone looks or appreciates the matter as you do. Your chilling determination that “…they [Eritreans] certainly are not going to be inspired by leaders who take their marching orders from south of border.” will need to be acted out bgibri. Eritreans have been overdosed with that propaganda from the PFDJ for the last 15 years that resulted almost half a million being uprooted and deciding to cross to Ethiopia. By doing so, PFDJ forced Eritreans to seek home in the Ethiopian no-man’s lands begging for alms and storming western shores in mass. When the southern border is repeatedly violated by the southern dweller, the largest flight of refugees (7500 in five weeks) was recorded, yes headed southwards.

            Saay, the mindless killing of the Eritrean people need to stop. The silent uprooting of populations need to stop. The ghastly headline that is Eritrea Today need to stop. The enemy of the Eritrean people is actually right inside Eritrea. How many children should be messed up for life, how many women should be raped, how many elderly should be buried alone, how much blood should we pay to satisfy that chillingly bloody war mentality? Eritrea is the death trap, the killing field, the elimination quarters of the innocent people of Eritrea, all in the name of securing the southern border! When there is no able bodied Eritrean is left to defend the southern border, God knows what else we will take from the south or anywhere else for that matter. Because it is unsustainable to build fences at the expense of the house behind the fence.

            My heart and mind approach is explained in my reply to Gheteb. Which is using Mind to serve the real crisis at hand. It was Dergues harshness that drove Eritreans enmass causing the front’s to swell. Many still say they had no idea when they joined. Human issues move people and then leaders guide the course. If you disagree, then that is understandable and our differences is clearer in this regard.

            I usually drive a frank and hard bargain, I am not angry for that reason. Especially, you should know because it is rare that I get angry and when I did the AT had been pulled to intervene as the going gets rough and savage. I am relaxed here dear saay. It is just frank discussions, nothing else.

            Regards

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            May I combine my answer to the reply I will give Ghezae? He used his heart and called me Sal Hawey so I am discriminating :)))))

            Saay

          • ghezaehagos

            HI Sal,

            I reckon you and Haile
            are at this; but allow me to interject .

            I read your comments
            with certainly frowned face, some shock; and honestly speaking I didn’t know
            where you are headed to.

            1.Your attempt at
            equating PFDJ organized events and justice-seekers as both are bound to be
            politicised anyways betrays the moral core of the events; it puts the victims
            and the victimizer (the Isaias regime at that) on equal footing. It is simply wrong. I know you are trying to
            show us how (the example at hand friend of Haw Haile who didn’t want to attend
            justice-seekers event) sees it things. He is wrong and very wrong.

            2. The shocking comment
            is what you said in number 2. You are basically arguing the mediterrean, Sinnai
            and other mega tragedies can’t be attributed to the Isaias regime because some
            of them could be economic migrants. “We are on slippery ground when we attribute the Lampedusa
            tragedy entirely and completely on Isaias Afwerki regime…We cannot with
            absolute certainty say they are political and not economic migrants.” This
            is in contrast to AT previous scathing reports. You will find it below.. Pull factors are always there; In the
            heyday of post-independence (1992-97), young Eritreans were leaving to Saudi
            via similar boats. The que at ‘enda posta’ for DVs in that crucial month were
            longer than anyone expected. Even in stable Eritrea, economic migration is
            unavoidable. Now to the current one: Europe and the World would not be
            concerned about Eritrean and Syrian refugees had it not been for the unique
            country situations. The issue here is the magnitude; THE SCALE, and you know it
            very well. The exceptions are not as important as the general truth. Eritreans
            are leaving their country because of human rights abuses to the extent that it
            has reached a level where one can’t do a single thing with his one’s life after
            the age of 16. National servitude has become the hallmark of the nation. The
            poverty and economic factors mentioned are mostly in Eritrean context are
            direct results of totalitarian rule; mismanagement; corruption and utter
            oppression.

            3. I have a friend here who argues what guarantee we have
            the one’s we sponsor or advocate for sponsorship are not the ones who would be
            the first people to dance at the next PFDJ event or oppose us or are not economic
            migrants. My answer is; we have no guarantee but help AS THOUGH they are
            victims because that is the only way to help our people. The alternative is
            worse. The irony of all ironies was written in FB recently. One of the Daesh
            victims, Ephrem was a die-hard PFDJ supporter, the writer says. The writer laments
            the regime even betrayed its own supporters; calling the case, ‘the other tears;
            eti kalee nibeat..’ Dear Saay, no matter we as an opposition to the regime
            should stick with the prevailing narrative rather than dwelling on the
            exceptions if we are going to marshal theories to save lives…otherwise; the
            next logic is you would support or wouldn’t oppose their deportation to Eritrea
            as they have no business in Europe under refugee category; like the Norwegians
            are contemplating. Not long ago, AT team argued,

            “If the tyrannical rule in Eritrea continues, Europe
            should brace itself to receive rivers of refugees, much more than the numbers
            over which it is losing sleep. The best option would be for Europe (and the
            West in general) to close its funding channels that is feeding the tyrant and
            his regime..”What gives now, brother?

            http://awate.com/danish-doublespeak-report-on-eritrea/

            4.On organized opposition: “that alleviating the suffering of (exiled?)
            Eritreans should not be their priority…” I strenuously and fundamentally
            disagree with you. If they don’t give priority of saving lives NOW and care
            more about the perishing, who can give them any credence to what they say about
            what goes on inside Eritrea or post-Isaias Eritrea that may or may not come? If
            one can’t help the ones who are near, how can one talk of the future? I am
            extremely interested in areas of refugee succor and I want the opposition to be
            highly interested in them too. I always argue one of the biggest failure of the
            ENCDC is failure to read what the youth needs. There is a reason, a good reason
            people like Sr. Azezet, Aba Mussie, Meron, Elsa and Dr. Alganesh have gained
            more clout than ENCDC leaders. My advice to every opposition group is make sure
            you have a robust and well-managed (in terms of material and human resources)
            that deals with humanitarian issues. This is not for any political advantages
            (I simply don’t understand what is so political about helping one’s own needy)
            but because simply it is THE DUTY of the opposition.

            5. The issue is priority, one may say. That is why an
            organization has departments; media; advocacy; PR; Inside Eritrea; and one of the
            prominent should be its humanitarian wing.

            6. As a person who is involved in some facets with some
            deleyti-fithi organizations, my lamentations are persistent. Compared to the
            task at hand, we have few activists and opposition groups who are actually
            involved in advocacy and refugee plight. Very, very few indeed. If the
            opposition groups devote their resources to protection and resettlement of
            refugees, the advantages are immense….as always are when one fulfills one’s
            citizenry and spiritual duty.

            Yours,

            Ghezae

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            If you don’t mind, I will incorporate my answers to your questions in to my reply to Haile and if you don’t find my answers satisfactory then we can have a follow-up. On the issue that seems to have shocked you, if you have the time, please reference my reply to Brownwyn Bruton with respect to exodus. The excerpt:

            1. Size of Eritrean Exodus: Ms. Bruton argues that not all people who claim to be Eritrean refugees are Eritrean refugees. Some are Sudanese, Somali, Ethiopians representing themselves as Eritrean to take advantage of Europe’s treatment of Eritreans as automatic asylum recipients.

            The problem here is with the word “some.” Is it 50% or 5% or 0.5%? Since the context here was the recent tragedy of yet-another-sank boat which claimed the lives of 350 Eritreans, Ms. Bruton’s answer sounded dangerously close to the talking points of the Eritrean government which is always disowning its own citizens. Those who have had first-hand experience in interacting with asylum-seekers and authors who have researched and written about this issue could clarify it by publishing surveys so we don’t have to rely on anecdotal information.

            http://awate.com/come-and-see-what-we-want-you-to-see/

            I don’t know how something that only days ago you were recommending I share it is now suddenly shocking to you when I am essentially saying the same thing. To say it again, of the things where there is direct cause and effect between the injustice of Isaias Afwerki (the cause) and the Eritrean tragedy (the effect), the one that deals with the exodus is the one that our political opponents can poke the most holes in. I will elaborate more in my reply to Haile.

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Hi Sal bro,

            I am a bit confused here. Really…! Your rebuttal to Ms. Burton is was a rebuttal. A good one. But your reply to Haile dwells at what Ms. Burton herself tried to showcase, the economic migrants, that is why I find it shocking. Take your time and I am sure your reply will elaborate it more….

            Yours,
            Ghezae

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Haile,

      ሃይላት ተጠንቀቅ !..Lol እዚ ናግራም ሳልሕ ኣብ ኮርነር ከየጸግዓካ እዚ ‘ኮ ሰጋጥ እዩ ዘውሕጥ : ተዓጢቁልካ ዝመጸ እዩ ዝመስል ::

      • saay7

        ኣንታ ኮኾብ፥ ወሪዱኒ ኣነ ደኣ እኽሊ: መስኪናይ: ፋራ:…. ሃንደፍ ሃንደፍ እናበልኩ ዝኸይድ ምስ ከንደይ ሓርገጻት (ሓራግጽ?)ክምክት ዓቅሚ ዘይብለይ!

        saay

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Sal and KS:-)

          አየ እወ ኣየ እወ

          እኽሊ ድእ ይጓድ እምበረ

          እንተበዝሓ ይቕትለካ

          እንተወሓደ ይቕተለካ

          ምእንቲ እኽሊ ኣጻም እ ትሰግር

          ም እንቲ እኽሊ

          ኣብ ባሕሪ ትጠልቅ

          ኣይፋልን እብ ባሕርስ አየጥልቕን

          ንሳስ አይፓድ(iPAD) እያ ውዒላታ

          እኽሊ እንተብዝሐ እስቢሑ ይቅትለካ

          እንተወሓደ ድማ ኣማሲኑ ይቕትለካ

          ክልቴኡ ጋዶ

          ስራሕ ኣባጅጎ

          ሰእነት እክኽሊ የማስነካ

          ኣመና እንተብሕ ድማ ነጊሑ ይቕትለካ

          ተውሳኺቱ ሳልሕ ሓሊባይ

          እኽሊ ድኣ ብዓል ዕቢ ወነጀል

          እንተፈተኻዮ ክብደትካ ወሲኹ

          ንተጸላእኻዮ ክብደትካ ኣንኪዩ

          ይገብረካ ሬሳ ብደውካ

          ፋራ እኳ ክብል አይድፍርን

          ነቲ አስመረታይ

          ነቲ ኮምቦኒታይ

          ምስ ሓንጎል ወጊኑ ንልቢ አየድሌናን ዝበለ

          ለውሃትን የዋህን ሓደ እዮኡም እሉ ዝሞጎተ

          አይት እመኖ ኾኾባይ

          ርእሰ ጭርቓን* እዩ ናይ ሳልሓይ

          ርእሰ ጭርቓን* Self-Deprecation:-)

          Semere Andom

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Semere.

            You gave me a new word ‘ርእሰ ጭርቓን’ I did not know before. Let me try to thank you in kind.
            ቕልጠ መጠቕ (soft, interior skin like the inside part of our lips). No one who wasn’t in medical group of ELF/EPLF seems to know this word.
            Thank you.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Your Fantiness:
            I was trying to be funny, inside joke with Sal, I never heard it before too, but I am sure Mahmuday have used it before:-)
            thanks for your real word too

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello, Semere, Saay,

            Gosh, I hate getting caught being so gullible. It looked so genuine! Okay. You owe me one beutiful word Semere Hawei.

            Saay,
            Another proof I am losing some of our vocabularies: tkhormyeni. I think that is so way way back it is close to SGJ’s “Hungugu.”

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            How about their various conjugations including ChbiT! Kumtr!

            If you say you don’t…here’s a story. When we first came to the United States, centuries ago, we were homesick and talking about our childhood. They were mostly “remember when?” questions the kind that Chris Farley would later on immortalize in SNL. So this guy says “remember when the legs of our beds were elevated so high…because they doubled as a refrigerator: under the bed our moms kept the bread…” And this snotty Asmarina girl who is mostly likely related to Sem tells him “ab gezakum tedey koynus ab gezana kemu ayneberen!”

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            You forgot w’esmu khitab.

          • saay7

            Ah Your Fantiness:

            You are so earnest. You should know that iSem is in competition with Isaias Afwerki to create Tinglish words. The difference is iSem does it for fun and Isaias does it to impress our illiterati that they are words he thought of from his fertile imagination. When in fact they are almost always lifted from the Tigrinya bible or Arabic and English political discourse. And if I am lying may I be rolled into a ball and seized. (tkhormyeni/tchebTeni)

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:chebteni reminds of the once great Keleta Kidane, remembere him?
            His theory was that those who use these swearing were those without kin and kith in Eritrea and could say sego kusto 🙂

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Hello awatistatat
    The following has nothing to do with any specific comments given within the discussion of this topic. It is for entertainment, if you find names of characters which correspond to usernames/pen names you use…it is probably by coincidence (wink… wink). I’m sorry, t’s a bit long. It’s copied and pasted, so please bear with the flow.
    ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ናብ ሓኪም ይኸዱ
    ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ዝበሃሉ ዓቢ ሰብ ኣብ ሓንቲ ንእሽቶ ዓዲ ይነብሩ ነበሩ። ኣቦይ ሓድጎ
    ብንእነቶም ምስ ኣናብስን ሓራምዝን እንዳተነሓነሑን እንዳ ተጋፈጡን እንዳተፈኻኸሩን እዮም ዓብዮም ይበሃል። ኣዝዮም ቆማት ኣብ ልዕሊ ምዃኖም፡ ተመጣጣኒ ጉልበትን ጽሕዶታት ጭዋዳታትን እውን ተዓዲልዎም ነበረ- ከምዚ ሎሚ ከይኮነ። ሓራቕን ቂምተኛን ኮይኖም እምበር፡ በቃቕ መንፈሶምን መናን ኢዶምን ዘይተሓወሶ ውራይ ኣይነበረን ተባሂሉ ይውረየሎም እዩ። ጽቡቕ ግብሪ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ክመልስ ዘይስከፍ ወዲ ዓዲ ከቶስ የለን። ሓደ ካብኦም ‘’ኳ እቲ እንኮ ሓኪም ዓዲ ዝኾነ ወዲ ምራጭ እዩ። ወዲ ምራጭ ኣዝዩ ቅንጹብ ክንሱ፡ ንዕኡ ዝተዋህበ ጉርሒ ግን ንበይኑ እዩ። “እዝግሄርስ ንጉርሒ ዓድና ጠቕሊሉ ንወዲ ምራጭ ሂብዎ” ይብላ ኣዋልድ እቲ ዓዲ። ምህሮ ከኣ ሰትይዎ እዩ። ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ሓንቲ መዓልቲ ‘ኳ ከየዕረፉ ነቲ መንእሰይ ሓኪም ኣብ ፈረሶም ወጢሖም ከመላልስዎ ትምህርቱ ጨሪሱ። እቲ መንእሰይ ሓኪም እውን ኣይሓመቐን፡ ሞሳ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ክመልስን ንዓዱ ከሕብንን (ደሓር ከምዝተራእየ፡ ንኻልእ ሕቡእ ምኽንያታት እውን) ናብታ ዝተወልደላ ዓዲ ተመሊሱ ከገልግል ወሲኑ። እቲ ብእስነቱ ዝወረዶ ምቑንጻብን ምንንእኣስን ግን ኣብ ኣተሓሳስብኡ ነዊሕ ሰራውር ሰዲዱ ግዲ፡ ክዳኑ ደኣ ጻዕዳ ኮይኑ እምበር ውሽጢ ልቡስ ቶጎጎ እዩ ዝመስል ኢሎም ይሓምይዎ ዓበይቲ ዓዲ። በቃ ነቶም መታዓብይቱ እንዳ ሰመመ፡ ገሊኦም ጨሪሶም ካብዛ ዓለም ተፈልዮም፡ ገሊኦም ተፈዊሶም ፍቐዶ ኣእማን ይድርብዩን መጻወቲ ቆልዑ ኮይኖም፣ እቶም
    ዝተረፉ እኒ በዓል ደቶረሳ ጽገረዳን ኣማንኤልን ሳልሕን ድማ ንስደት ኣምሪሖም።በዓል ሰመረን ጓል ኣደምን ዝበሃሉ ክኢላታት እውን ነበርዋ እታ ዓዲ፣ ንሶም እውን ኣራኺብሎምስ ስግር ገደቦ ተሰደዱ።እንኮ ሓኪም ዓዲ ኮይኑ ተረፈ።

    ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ብቕንያቱ ኣብ ስራሕ ተጸሚዶም ቐንዮም። ኣመት ነብሶም ከይገበሩ ኣብ ኣኼባታ ቐንዮም። ደቶር ወዲ ምራጭ
    ዘባረሮም ደቂ’ታ ዓዲ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ብዝገበሩሎም ዕድመ ናብ ዓዶም ተመሊሶም ቐንዮም። ነታ ዓዲ ዘባድን ዘሎ ደቶር ወዲ ምራጭ ድዩ ወይስ እታ ዓዲ ብሱሩ መልኣከ ሞት ኣራጢጡላ ኣሎ ብታሕቲ ታሕቲ ከጻርይዎ ተዓዲሞም። ከም ኣቦ ወንበር ሽማግለ ዓዲ፡ ኩሉ ውሕስነት ብኣቦይ ሓድጉ ተዋሂብዎም እዩ። እቲ ኩርዳድ ደቶር ወዲ ምራጭ ክሳብ ዕለተ-ሎሚ ንውሳኔ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ኣይጠሓሰን ዘሎ።

    ሎሚ፡ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ጽቡቕ ኣይስመዖምን ኣሎ። እቲ ዕድመ-ምድፋእ እውን ንርእሱ ኣይሕግዝን፡ ግን ከምዚ ዝኣመሰለ ረሸሽታን
    ድኻምን ተሰሚዕዎም ኣይፈልጥን። ኣብራኾም ወላእላእ ኢልወን ምጻሮም ስኢነን። ልቦም ውትፍ-ውትፍ ክትብሎምን ምስትንፋስ ክሓጽሮምን ውዒሉ። ፈረሶም ኣብ ኣፍልቦም ዝጋልብ ዘሎ ኮይኑ ተሰመዖም። ወላ’ኳ በቲ መዓልታዊ ዝሰምዕዎ ክፍኣት ናይቲ ዘዕበይዎ ሓኪም ዓዶም ስክፍታ እንተነበሮም ፡ “ዘይኩሉ ሞት እዩ” ኢሎም ቈሪጾም ናብቲ ሓኪም ኣምርሑ።

    ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ኣብ መመርመሪ ዓራት ተጋዲሞም፡ ሓኪም-ወዲ ምራጭ- ኣብ ንእሽቶ ኩርሲ ደዪቡ ውጽኢት ናይቲ ዝገበሮ መርመራታ ይነግሮም ነበረ። እታ ንታኮ ዝጥቐመላ ኩርሲ ብፍላይ ንመመላእታ ቁመቱ ክትከውን ዝተሰርሐትን ብዘይካ እተን ተሓጋገዝቲ ሰራሕተኛታት ዝፈልጣ ሰብ ኣይነበረን። ንሕማቕ ግዜ ምስ ተኸወለት እያ። ክንዲ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ዝቑመቶም ነበርቲ ዓዲ ‘ኳ ነበርያ ነበረ እዮም ኮይኖም። ግን ኣይፍለጥን። እታ ኩርሲ ክዕቅብዋ መሪጾም። እነሆ ድማ ሎሚ ስርሓ ሰሪሓ።

    ሓኪም፡ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ!

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ እሂ’ዚ ወደይ!

    ሓኪም፡ ልብኽም ኣመና ዓብያ ኣላ።

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ ኣይይ…’ዚ ወደይ፡ ልበይ ሲ ብቐደማ እያ ዓባይ። እዚኣ ብንእሽቶይ ካብ ኣደይ ዝሰማዕክዋ እያ። “ሰይ’ዚ
    ወደይ፡ እዚ ልብኻስ ክንደይ ኮን ይዓቢ” ትብለኒ ነበረት። እወ፡ ግዜ…..(ኣዕንቶም ንርሑቕ ዝጥምታ ዝነበራ ይመስላ፡ ንካልኢታት
    ኣስጊሎም…)

    ሓኪም፡ እወ፡ እቲ ልቦና ደኣ ኣነ እውን እፈልጦ እየ። ኣነ ግን ነዛ ልብኹም እየ ዝብል ዘለኹ። (ናብታ ልቦም የመልክት)

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ ለባም እንዶ ኣይኮንካን? ልቢ እንተዓብያ እንድዩ ልቦና ዝዓቢ….እንታይ ዘረብኡ ደኣሉ?

    ሓኪም፡ ኣይፋልን ኣቦ። ምዕባይ ልቢ ንጥዕና ጽቡቕ ኣይኮነን…..

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ ሓዊ ስላስ!! እንታይ ኢኻ ዝበልካ? ትፍኣዮ ደኣ…ቱፍ በሎ ‘ዚ ወደይ። ምራጭ ሓብተይን ኣነን ነዚ ክንፍደ
    ኣይኮናን ዝደኸምና። ካል’ኡ ‘ሞ ንግደፎ….ዝሰምዓና ከምዘይሰማዕና ንከይድ ኣሎና። ናዓይ፡ ነቦኻ ሓድጉ ኢኻ ‘ኳ ትሕክም ዘለኻ። ናዓ ደኣ’ዚ ወደይ። ንስኻ ኢኻ ልቢ ምዕባይ ዝግበኣካ። እቲ ፈጣሪስ ቁመት ካብ በቐቐልካ፡ ልቢ ውስኽ ኣቢሉ ክህበካ ይግበኦ ነይሩ። ብኹሉስ ኣይቐጽዓካን እዩ። ተማህለል ደኣ እዚ ወደይ።ጸሎት ኣብዝሕ… ደቶር ወዲ ምራጭ፡ ሓኪም ካብ ዝኸውን ከም ሎሚ ተደፊሩ ኣይፈልጥን። ነቦይ ሓድጉ ኣብታ ዓራት ከለዉ ከሕውዮም ተደናዲኑ። ግን ውዕለቶም ከቢድዎ። ኣብ ቅልውላው ጥሒሉ። “ኣነ ወዲ ምራጭ…” ኢሉ ይውስን እሞ ሰጋእ ከኣ ይብል። ኣብ ሓንጎሉ ዘይተዓደመ ዘራጊቶ ነጊሱ። ዝርግርግ ኢልዎ። ኣብ ከምዚ ኩነታት ከሎ ሰይቲ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ፡ ኣደይ ስላስ ናብታ ክፍሊ ይኣትዋ። እግሪ-እግራ ከኣ ካብ ወጻኢ ዝተመልሰት ደክቶር ጽገረዳ ትባሃል ፍትውቲ ቖልዓ እትመርሖም ካልኦት ሰለስት ኣርባዕተ ዝኾኑ ክኢላታት ይስዕቡ። እታ
    ክፍሊ ቕጽጽ ትብል። ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ርኢይዎ ዘይፈልጥ ዘብለጭልጭ መሳርሒታት ይትከል። ስልክታት ኳረንቲ ዝመስል ናብ ኣፍልቡን ጎኑን
    ይጠናነግ።
    ደክቶር ጽገረዳ፡ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ፡ ሓቑ እዩ ልብኹም ብጣዕሚ ዓብያ ኣላ።

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ እወ’ዛ ጓለይ። ብቐደምኪ ትኩርቲ እንድኺ ነይርኪ…

    ደ/ጽ፡ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ፡ እቲ መጠን ግዝፊ ናይ ልብኹም እየ ዝብለኩም ዘለኹ….

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ እሞ እንታዩ’ዩ እቲ…ንሱስ ዘይከምኡ ኢሉኒ….

    ደ/ጽ ስእሊ ልቢ ኣውጺኣ ክትገልጽ ትጅምር። “ጭዋዳታት ልብኹም….ዕብየት ልቢ ሕማም እዩ፡ እቲ ጭዋዳታት እንተ ዓብዩ…ኣይጭንጉዕን…ሰብነትናን….ሓንጎልናን…ኣይረክብን….ንዕኡ ክትምልእ ድማ ብተዓጻጻፊ ትሰርሕ…እዚ ድማ ብግዲኡ…የዕብያ ወይ ድማ የድኽማ…የእርጋ….ገለ ካብቲ…ከባብን…መግብን…መነባብሮ/ሂወት/ዝምድና…ሕርቓን..ነድርን…ትርእይዎ
    ኣለኹም እዚ ጸቕጢ ደምኩም እዩ። ተቖጢዕክም ስለዘለኹም ሰማይ ዓሪጉ። መሽኪነይቲ ልቢ ድማ ነዚ ጽዕነት እዚ ናብ ዝምልከቶ ኣድራሻ ክተበጽሕ… ” ኣደይ ስላስ ብኣንኩሮ ክሰምዓ ጸኒሐን፡-

    ኣደይ ስላስ፡ ሓቕኪ’ዛ ጓለይ፡ እዛ ቖለጭ ምባል ሲ ናቶም እያ። እህም…ህቕእ….እወ…ከም ቀደሞም ዘለዉ እንዳ
    መሰሎም ድማ ምስ ኣጓብዝ ዓዲ ክጓየዩን…ክተሃላለኹን…ካን…

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ ስላስስስስስስስስ

    ኣ/ስላስ፡ ግን ጥዑም ሰብኣይ እዮም። ተውሳኺቶም ሓንቲ መዓልቲ ‘ኳ ኢዶም ወስ ኣቢሎምለይ ኣይፈልጡን…

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ (ፍሽኽ ይብሉ፡ ስኒ ትበሃል የብሎምን)

    እወ፡ እቲ ቐደምስ፡ ኣብ ዝወዓልኩ ውዒለ
    ነዛ ብጨይተይ ክርኢ ፊፍ እናበልኩ እየ ገዛ ዝኣቱ ዝነበርኩ….እወ…ግዜ…

    ኣ/ስላስ፡ ግሩም ሰብእይ እዮም ነይሮም። ሓንቲ መዓልቲ’ኳ …..

    ደ/ጽ፡ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ትርእይዎ ‘ዶ ኣሎኹም፡ ሕጂ ጸቕጢ ደምኩም ወሪዱ። ናብ ንቡር ተመሊሱ።

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ ነዛ ስላሳይ ክዝክር እዛ ልበይ ከም ቀደማ ኣብዛ ሰፈራ ውትፍ እያ ትብለኒ…ኣካላተይ ዕርፍቲ ይወሮ…

    ደ/ጽ፡ ጸጽቡቑ ሕሰቡ፡ ብዙሕ ኣይትሻቐሉ….” ዝሕው መዓንጣይ…” ትብል ደርፊ ሰሚዕክም ‘ዶ ትፈልጡ? መድሃኒት
    ከኣ….መግቢ …ኣካላዊ…..

    ኣ/ሓድጉ፡ እወ፡ እቶም ተመሃሮ፡ በዓል ንስኺ፡ ሬድዮ ክትሰምዑ ኣብ ገዛይ ትእከቡ’ንዶ ኣይነበርኩምን…ጥዑም ግዜ…እወ
    ሰሚዐያ ኣለኹ። ሽዑ ከኣ ምስ ስላሰይ…ኣይ መናእሰያት እንዲና ነይርና….

    ደ/ጽ፡ እወ ሓንጎልኩም ኣብ ጽቡቕ ዝኽርታት ጽመድዎ፡ ጽቡቕ ምሕሳብ ንጥዕና ኣእምሮኹምን ልብኹምን ሓጋዚ እዩ። ናታቶም ጥዕና ድማ መሊሱ ጽቡቕ ከም ትሓስቡ ይገብረኩም’ሞ ዕድመኹም ይነዊሕ።

    ኣማንኤል ሓደ ካብቶም መጓዕዝቲ ደ/ጽገረዳ እዩ። ኣብ ሳይንስን ሕክምናን ዝነጥፍ ይኹን እምበር፡ ኣብ ፍልስፍና ዓለም
    ካብ ዝኣቱ ጸኒሑ እዩ።

    ኣማንኤል፡ (ናብ ጽገረዳ ተጸጊዑ ሕሹኽ ክብላ ይረአ)

    ኣነ ‘ኳ እዚ ዝሃብክዮ ምኽሪ ብመሰረቱ ኣይሰማመዓሉን እየ። እቲ ሰብኣይ ሱር-ነቀላዊ ፍወሳ የድልዮ ኣሎ። ሓሳብ ድዩ ዝቕድም ነገር፡ ሓሳብ ናጻ ህላዌ ኣለዎ ድዩ ወይስ ውጽኢት ነገራዊ ምትእስሳርን ፍልቀታዊ ምዕባለን እዩ…..ኣዚ ብክልሰሓሳባውን ግብራውን ወገናቱ ክረአ ኣለዎ። ብውሑዱ ኣብቲ ጎረቤትና ዘሎ ሕክምና ዝተፈተነ ፕሮስጀር ኣሎ።
    ንዕኡ ኣብዚ ዘይንጥቀመሉ ምኽንያት ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን። እቲ ጸገም ሱር ዝተኸለ ክንቀል ዘለዎ ትካላዊ ኣተሓሳስባ ሰለዘሎ ‘ምበር ዓድና ተመሊስና ነዚ ምርምራት ክነቀላጥፎ ምኸኣልና። ዓድና ነዚ ሱር ሰዲዱ ዘሎ ግዕዘይ ንበይኖም ዝኣልይዎ ኣይመስለንን።

    ደ/ጽ፡ ሓሳብካ ጽቡቕ ‘ኳ እንተኾነ፡ ኣነ ከም ሓኪም እቲ ቅጽበታዊ ረድኤት ወሲነ ኣለኹ። ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ኣብ ሓደጋ ኣለዉ።
    ግዜ የብልናን በቃ ዘበለ ሕክምናዊ ኢንተርቨንሽን ክንገብር። እቲ ናትካ ርኢቶ ንሶም ምስ ተረጋግኡ ወለንትኦምን ወለንታ መቃርብቶምን ርኢና…..ዝተራቐቐ ምርምር ክንገብር ንኽእል።

    ጓል ኣደም፡ (ካልእ ምስ ደ/ጽ ዝመጽአት ንፍዕቲ ቆልዓ)

    እወ፡ ኢማ ሓወይ ዝብሎ ዘሎ እሰማመዓሉ እየ። ኣነ ‘ኳ ካብቲ ኢማ ዝብሎ ንላዕሊ እየ ዝኸይድ። ወየለኸ! ኣብ ጎረቤትና ክኢላታት ከለዉ ንምንታይ ኢና በዓልና ክንመራመር ንብል። በዓል ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ከ ተውሳኺቶም….ብዛዕባ ዘመናዊ ሕክምና እንታይ ኣፍሊጥዎም። ምስ ኣናብስን ኣናብርን ምፍጣጥን ምህዳኖምን ከ ካብ መዓስ ምዕባለ ተቖጺሩለይ? ብቐደሙ’ኮ ዓድና ንእሽቶ እያ ነይራ። መን እስከ ተፈልዉ በሎም? ክንድ’ዚ ጉልበትን ረሃጽን ከ መድለያ? ደሓር ‘ኮ ዓሻ ድፍረት መግለጺ እንስሳነት እምበር ብልሕን ልቦናን ኣይኮነን። ኣይትርእዮምን እንዲኹም፡ እቶም ሰብኣይ ‘ኮ ክሳብ ሕጂ ልቦም ኣብ ደረቶም እዩ ዘሎ….

    ሰመረ ዝብልዎ መንእሰይ እውን ተሓዊሱ እቲ ክትዕ ኣብ ክንዲ ብዛዕባ ምድሓን ሂወት ዝኸውን ንናይ ካምፓስ ትምህርታዊ
    ክትዓት መሰለ….ግዜ በልዐ…

    ደ/ጽገረዳን ተሓጋገዝቲ እቲ ሕክምናን ነቦይ ሓድጉ ክፍውሱ ቀንዮም። እቲ ክትዕ ግን ይቕጽል። ደ/ጽገረዳ ካብ ብዝሒ
    ሓካይም ዝተላዕለ፡ ኣቦይ ሓድጉ ኣብ ኢዳ ከይሓውዩ ስግኣታ እና ወሰኸ እዩ። ኣብ ዝሓጸረ ግዜ፡ ሓደ ጥሙር ርኢቶ ናይቶም ሓካይም ክበጽሓ ምተመነወት። ሳልሕን “ሓያል” ሃይለን ዝበሃሉ ክኢላታት ምምዕባል ፕሮጀችትን ኮማዊ ዕብየትን እውን ኣካል ናይቲ ጉጅለ ኮይኖም ኣብቲ ዓዲ ቐንዮም። ናቶም እሞ ንበይኑ እዩ። ነቶም ክኢላታት እቲ ዓዲ መጅሙዕ ሓሳባት እናምጽኡ ርእሶም ክሳብ ዝዘውር ጌሮሞም። ውጽኢት ዑደቶም ብእወታ ድዩ ዝግምገም ወይስ ብኣሉታ ጌና ኣብ ሰማይ ዘሎ ደመና ኮይኑ ክቕኒ እዩ። እቲ ሰማይ እውን ብሓሳባቶም ዝጠነሰ ይመስል…ከቢድ ደበና ይጋልበሉ ኣሎ።
    MS.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Mahmuday,

      ዝገርም እዩ ማሕሙዳይ!

      ጌጋ ድ ኣ ይኽለ ኣለይ እምበር ኣብ ጋዜጣ ሰቲት ዘንበብኩዋ ኮይኑ እዩ ዝስመዓኒ :: ብውሑዱ ግን ኣብ ሓንቲ ናይ ኣብ ዒራዒሮ ዝተዷጎነ ልቦናታት ክምዘስፈራ ይጥርጥር :: እቲ ዘገርም ግን ኣብ ልክዕ ቦታን ግዜን ከተቅርባ ምኽ ኣልካ እዩ :: እቲ ኣብ ውሽጣ ዝርከብ ምህሮታት ብዙሕ እዩ::

      ሕራይ ምስቲ ክንብሎ ዝጸናሕና ጉዳይ ዓቅልን ልብን ርክብ ከምዘይብላ ወላ እንተሓበርካን ድንን ኢልና ክንሓልፋ እንተፈተናን ቀዲማትና ከምትጽንሕ ግን የረጋግጸልካ :: ብዝኾይን ማሕሙዳይ ብርቱዕ ተጋዳልይ ምዃንካ ከይጠቀስኩ ኣይሓልፍን::

      • Mahmud Saleh

        salam KS
        Thanks buddy. It was born out of frustration that the topic(a very inviting one) fell prey to many interpretations; instead of getting out of its symbolic or figurative stage and aplying it in our political situation in away we can easily understand; unfortunately, it remained in its abstract phase, hence, folks gave it the best shot they could. We have the underlying cultural interpretation, then you mix it with the cultures you currently live in, again you will have influences of the profession one has held for long time (every profession has its own sub-cultures)…I suggested to HTG early on to get out of the abstracts and apply that beautiful approach to our political challenhges in a tangible, easily understandable and debatable presentation. HTG has been doing his best and the last installment is the best of all. So, as you have put it correctly, I did not strictly limit my interpretation to what Haile wanted to take the debate to, but I chose to have my little space…haha
        On “Setit”: No, KS. The last part which deals with “the number of doctors debating over a patient might not necessarily be effective” is said as an adage in many cultures; I just did it in my own setting and within my own interpretation. I heard a lot of good things about the newspaper “setit” but I did not get a chance to read anyone of them. There was this Eritrean Cafe that ordered papers in bulk at that time, I frequented it, may be, once a month, and everytime I got there all the papers would be picked up. I borrowed a couple of times other papers but not “setit”. Since setit readers and editors frequent this forum they can help us with that.
        Regards.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear MS,

          I have seen similar story somewhere. I was trying to find it from my old files. my files are well organized with dbase in such way simple to find documents. after searching and reading some papers of Setit and Segenay I think my mind has connected the style you wrote and the words you use to let me believe it was in setit. nice man you have managed to put the idea you want to put.

          and you said It was born out of frustration.. .Lol —- if this type of story comes out of your frustration please go frustrated. I love you. when most of people go frustrated they destroy their stand leave alone they writing such stroy . Keep it up.

          Setit ? I have seen Dawit and discussed with him a lot, Segenai ? I have also got chance to talk with him. nice souls. both were using their mind to develop their nation but their soft heart didn’t help them. God willing, Dawit will stay alive and come out of the darkness he is in. But Yessuf has gone (ALLAH YERHAMU).

          • Pass the salt

            Khokob selam,
            You got it the other way around in your last para. Them using their heart is what got them disappeared. If they were using their minds, they would’ve taken the bribe the PFDJ offered them for a little dirty job of slandering the G15.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Paas the salt,

            No No my friend. having free press under PFDJ was never practical for me at that time. they were so kind and using their kind heart and they thought it is possible and were working hard. so my argument since ever is that trying to work under PFDJ is not acceptable. see now I am not recently modified opposition.

            the only side who could do something was G15 as they know very well PFDJ and had strength. Yet they even use only heart. They are suppose to use the one plus one equals two logic. I mean dialectical reality and break the head. It doesn’t matter what they thought, but the just go to EraEro by their own choice – the heart. Heart has it’s place proportionally speaking. you need to know how much space of heart and love has to be used in one particular event. the control unit in the brain is very much important and has to be asked if heart has to participate full or not.

    • saay7

      Hala MaHmuday:

      Well, well, well. Awate University keeps surprising: just this week SGJ surprised us with an Amharic poem with the works (dripping with wax and gold) and now we learn MaHmuday is a playwright, when he is not playing his guitar?

      Well done, bro. Will have more to say time permitting but I have a full agenda: haile Hayal (hearts over minds) awaits, cousin iSem awaits, and over in the new school of Mind over hearts, a new writer awaits. For now two things (1) Effective immediately, you are barred from ever saying “Tigrinya is not my first language” as an evasive answer: As asmarinos would reply to you “nkhalieki belyo izi shiTara” (2) that Osman Abdelrehim song…it would having impactful if you referred to it by its name, apropos for your play: “lbey midrebeda.”

      Here’s your reward: the song, which I consider one of the 10 best Eritrean songs, ever.

      http://youtu.be/h-qIH1Jrv5U

      saay

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Ahlan Saleh
        Saleh Gadi’s Amharic poem was a surprise (abi is in trouble in his own domain); well, the man is full of languages. Although I consider Tigrayet my mother tongue, he surprises and corrects me; Tigrigna his laguage; he commands Arabic and English, both at mastery level. Iam sure he has Italian and spanish (of coutrse Spanish, isn’t he in the land of spanish speaking people), and if Ghehteb provokes him enough, we may see some Latin jargons…..wezeterefe.
        Honestly, I am still going to invoke the “Tigrigna is not my first language” at my convinience. a/ it’s true b/ let me have an escaping chute whenever necessary; saay, be considerate. Sometimes making Qomsh ade Hankiluni handy is smart.
        Osman…the artist…thank you for that. I agree. The thing just flowed without a predetermined plot. BTW, I forgot to mention to KS that what really inspired me was your “lbi…lbona…lbi aEbi…” association. I saw different people treating it from their own experience. And I said, “what the heck, why I don’t have my own thing.” There is no way I can keep up with you and Haile speed and intellectual agility. So, I got my coffee and it started taking shape; So yes, had I inserted the “lbey mdrebeda” it would have been more powerful. Thanks again. Now, back to HTG topic.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Saay,
        Thank you a million times!
        If you can believe it I have a copy of the original cassette tape of this song, including abketema miTsiwaE, and this is one of my few songs I listen to whenever I need to reintroduce myself to life. I could never have enough of it. Never had. It is on my top 10 list too. I must agree with Kim Hanna that music may have just died after the mid 70s.
        Thanks again!

        • saay7

          His Fantiness:

          Well. If you like that, you will love Osmans Sigir Betna. Problem: no video. Problem solved: Sami Berhane does a cover of the song. Problem: Osman is pissed and video is forever banished from YouTube. Problem (very very temporarily solved): somebody else posts Samis cover of the song.

          Ethical dilemma: if I share, it violates Osmans copyright. If I don’t share, the greatness of this song remains undiscovered. Temporary solution: I share with the following disclaimer:

          1. This song was composed by Osman;
          2. Sami does not have copyright.
          3. We play it, until Osman gives us a replacement

          PS: where is this in your Top 10? Another heartbreak song.

          saay

          http://youtu.be/ol1zK9lz2ao

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Saay,
            I see why Osman 1 is pissed. just kidding.
            I wish he wasn’t “too obvious” on the lyrics. It sounded a little too forced to me, but I like the relaxing nature of the tempo, and over all, “good” music. I hope Osman 2 is young enough to hope for mature version of him soon. Keep me posted.

  • Burbank

    Hi Saay, Haile TG and everyone,

    I hope each of you are well. Saay, I also hope that you are enjoying your 5 min shower. Hopefully, this drought will be behind you and all Californians soon.

    The debate on the brain and heart draw me into scribbling this. It is indeed interesting. I agree with Saay in his description of the heart as blood pumping organ. For a long time now, Medical science researchers and Biologists have concluded this fact. The body is a perfect circuit that is known to have been crafted (Don’t ask me who designed it so that you would open a new debate between God or Darwin). The heart, by constantly pumping blood rhythmically, creates a wave as well as electricity that prompts the each cell to conduct its chemical reaction to enable the organ do its specialized function. Simply, the heart is like a generator and the brain is like the motherboard computerly speaking. Through this perfect circuit made with the combinations of the heart and the brain’s own design, the latter, which is an organ whose mystery is still more unsolved than is, processes thoughts and emotions. Scientists still debate how much of the brain come as a template upon birth. For instance, a child cries upon birth and before any substantial time to learn, it expresses emotions triggered by simply the necessities it require to sustain life and safety. They say it came like a readymade app to capture the face of its mother instantly both thru smell and sight and the joy and security is the first emotion it will feel.

    However, a couple of years ago I stumbled into an interesting documentary film, “I Am”, by Tom Shadyac, a giant Hollywood Director. The film, among others, states that we all are tied to each other live in a single energy field, mirroring Quantum Physics. As you know in Quantum Physics, a manipulation of an electron anywhere will affect any other which is at an nth distance, which is an infinite distance, exactly the same way like the one manipulated. In another words, emotions, whether negative or positive, affects us proportionally. Interestingly, the film states that during the great tsunami of this century that hit Indonesia, distant, remote and agrarian communities which never heard
    about the news had gone thru an emotional stress prior, during and after it hit that coast. We all went thru it but do not realize it amid the busy life we had. I remember how the Sandy Hook Elementary school killing spree depressed my whole household members for a couple of days and I relate to the description the film states. Also, the same film measures in an electric meter how positive or negative emotion of a person causes a microorganism in Petri dish to turn in a corresponding reading.

    The point is that the heart, thru the wave it creates is responsible for propelling the emotions out of the body to the energy field. So the heart could very well have a purpose in creating the emotions as well.

    With this, I am pretty sure that Saay will
    quickly research and bring more to the table to provoke our thoughts.
    Sometimes, this is the best way to find a retreat away from Politics. Also for
    those who are interested about the film, here is a link to start with.

    http://www.iamthedoc.com/

    Also useful link

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUVw6Pn6GTg

    Cheers,

    Burbank

    • saay7

      Welcome back Burbank:

      I think you have swerved your way into something here. Bay Area was home for long…and the Bay Area has more “New Age” adherents per capita than anywhere else. And I associate heart-centric, mind-dissing Eastern philosophy to New Agers and their propensity to publishing 10 books a day. But I shouldn’t say more because SGJ has advised me and HTG to stay clear of discussing -isms and focus it on its practical application to Eritrea. Eritrean Hearts for Eritrean Minds:) Or something. (Where is Semere to contextualize the discussion with his book “Hearts Like Birds”?)

      The drought. Well, it appears that we are talking of one that may last 35 years. I send random drought alerts to a friend who, like a true Californian, is unworried and expects some Silicon Valley solution for it. Even my recommendation that she watch Mad Max hasn’t helped. She is a classic heart-person expecting solution from mind-persons.

      saay

      • Burbank

        Selamat Saay,

        Yes, I swerved way too far. I read a couple of your exchanges on heart/ mind dichotomy and got interested. My apologies. Since I am not fully into Eritrea’s politics and not in it so as to shape its course, it bores me when I still see it standing still year after year. This being the case, I simply don’t allow it to be my only world. Just saying!

        Cheers,

        Burbank

        • saay7

          Burbank:

          You got nothing to apologize for buddy. By “swerved” I don’t mean anything critical: I just was trying to say, “I don’t think it was your intention but you have reminded me of something.”:)

          As for Eritrea’s stand-still-politics, I think the common refrain here is that the country belongs to us equally and nobody is entitled to the privilege of expecting others to do the heavy lifting. And the exploration is: why should others contribute, and how should they contribute and what can we, the vocal opposition, say and do to expand the base. That’s the entire debate between Haile TG and me. In fact, thats every debate we had, have and will have regardless of the article in question:)

          saay

  • saay7

    Hi Ted:

    Let me see if I can explain my viewpoint without going too deep to the rabbit hole and boring our readers and, most importantly, diverting from Haile TG’s main emphasis.

    The brain is an organ, as is the heart: it is a physical, tangible thing. The mind, on the other hand, is our intellect, that which enables us to be self-aware, thinking, feeling, blinking beings. It is intangible. When say “so and so lost his mind”, we are saying so-and-so is longer rational being. Meanwhile, when we say, in Tigrinya “lbi aEbi”, we are saying “you be the wise one, the mature one.” When we say “lbu Tefiuwo”, we are saying someone is no longer thinking straight, he is barely conscious. So perhaps here things have been lost in translation?

    Haile TG has neatly associated all positive feelings and emotions and qualities to the heart (generostity, kindness, compassion, empathy, authenticity, honesty, etc) and has dispatched to the mind all negative feelings and emotions (greed, living in a lie, fear, jealousy, etc.) Now, I just don’t understand what the basis for this classification is. Haile has said basically it is because I say it is. The role of the heart is, when it comes to emotions is, in my humble opinion, anacrhonistic: it belongs to a time when we confused effects with causes (my hearts beats faster when I am excited so the heart must be the cause for excitement.) For someone like me who thinks that all Eritrea’s mistakes can be traced to bad judgement–when presented with choices, we choose the bad one; or, when the choices are not clear, we “follow our heart” and “our emotions, and sentimentality” and end up making disastrous decisions, my call is for rationality. When we say we have a dearth of intellectuals participating in our opposition, or when we say there have been no great books written about Eritrea, or when we say we have no think tanks, or a vibrant civil society, we are saying we have no idea-incubating institutions.

    I introduced the brain because it is an organ where, more and more, scientists have done mapping to show which part of the brain is responsible to which part of our emotion. There is no such mapping in the heart. And, I was trying to show that even if the desire is to produce a certain result, it is through training and discipline (mind) that this comes. To quote one of my favorite lines about the heart and what it wants: “The heart of another is a dark forest, always, no matter how close it has been to one’s own.”

    Now, on Wedi Kassa. I believe you and Haile TG and Tes may have misunderstood my intent. What I was saying is if the objective is to create a vibrant, potent movement to challenge the PFDJ, such a movement will have to make room for people “who have to do what needs to be done.” And you can say many things about such people but “nice” and “good-hearted” is not one of them.

    saay

    • haileTG

      Dear saay,

      I am actually going to put the heart/mind framework in the context of Eritrean dilemma, in the most simplistic, foolproof and unmistakably clear terms for you later today:) (how is that for bold:) I just want to clarify here for you that according to my standing belief (unless you convince me otherwise) ALL OF EMOTIONS are the result of THINKING, hence MIND. No classification on my part has been conducted. The 7 that I listed are the current scientifically recognized emotions within the research community in the area. The reason they were recognized as such is because they can be detected through PHYSICAL expressions of the human BODY. That is all. Happiness is one of those emotions because the state of happiness or sadness can be detected by hormonal levels. Others involve facial expressions or similar gestures. Generally, they’re measured as deviation from parasympathetic levels in my view.

      The scientific analysis or historical connotations to Colonial/Liberal/Partisan labels is never the intent nor any part of the heart/mind framework as linked to the Eritrean dilemma. Those are way off the mark and bear no connection to it in the practical issues being examined through this topic. I hope you’ll find that in my next presentation. But for now, my point is all emotions are stimulated by our state of mind. That is all. You can still love your wife while being angry at her for one reason or another. You can’t hate someone and feel the best of emotions towards them at the same time. Emotions are temporary and state of your heart is persistent. Other than that there is no classifications attached as you seem to have misunderstood (my heart doesn’t want to say twisted..haha) somewhere.

      cheers

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi HaileTG and Saay,
        You have started debating a very important topic. So far, I didn’t find it interesting and I suspect many are feeling the same, maybe. I just wanted to suggest the following:

        1. Many debates end going nowhere because they are basically theoretical. I suggest you focus on the practical aspects of the topic–I know it is not easy, philosophy is mainly intellectual debate and difficult to present it in a practical way that the common person would understand.

        2. Stick to the Eritrean cultural predisposition and avoid examples from other cultures–republican, democratic, social liberals, etc, that the average Eritrean cannot relate to… like issues of rights that no Eritrean can relate to–they make the debate seem like, well, philosophy 🙂

        3. Avoid hardcore physics and biology, let your arguments boil down to issues that the way Eritreans conduct their political life–which is the main issue.

        I am not sure if the above makes sense, but, metHazi s’inelu 🙂

    • Ted

      Hi Saay, it goes back to brain, the heart may beat faster, bladder contracts, hair raises(goose bumps), it is stimuli we all need to learn to differentiate. why kids pee in the movie when exited doesn’t have anything to do with their bladder but their inability to tame their brain danger stimuli correctly, the same goes with our heart, if it is beating faster( it could be mental disease, panic or genuine fear-flight-fight reaction). I think organs per se has nothing to do with mind/heart definition but how we interpret things around us thus (heart /mind) has become a thing for lack of better terms.The classification heart as always good and mind as always evil might be an over stretch. People do wrong things( with their heart) for better good.
      Wedi Kass, i think you misunderstood me. We need wedi kassa. The servant who has the support of the people even to do harms(within heart) for better good.

      • saay7

        Hi Ted:

        Enjoying the flow. If you think the brain has nothing to do with how we interpret things, you may to consider the fact that different parts of the brain (the organ) affect or short term and long term memory (our ability to recall experiences), our mood (happiness, depression, anxiety), and our empathy (this is why scientists study the brains of serial killers to see if they have underdeveloped areas.). Within limits, the mind can be disciplined to overcome our weaknesses and drugs/therapy can help too: but the story of every great story (a three-part story) is how the hero overcomes obstacles is always about mind over matter.

        Biologically, the heart is really nothing more than a blood pumping machine so we are really talking about the metaphors and idioms one uses about strong heart, pure heart, etc. Even when something “touches our heart” it’s the mind ordering the heart to be touched. Hope that doesn’t come across as heartless:)

        get you on Wedi Kassa: we are in agreement.

        The rest, well, I think I should wait for Haile TGs thesis statement. After all, Haile got the monicker TG for his intellect and brainpower 🙂

        saay

        • Dear Saay7,
          I think that when Haile TG speaks of the heart, he is giving it an artistic, poetic, and philosophical meaning, as many have done before him. At the same time, he has in mind the genuine, spontaneous, positive, altruistic and non-calculating stand of human beings in
          support of good against evil. This metaphorical concept puts us in a difficult situation to explain, what we really mean and how we go about it. Otherwise, as you said, poor old heart does nothing else but pump blood, and even then, it is under the influence and control of the mind, the omnipotent organ in the human body.

          What a rational mind does not do, let us say that the conceptual heart (the other mind, the non-matter mind etc) does. Is there any rational explanation, why a person puts himself in danger (might even lose his life) to save somebody else, while nature dictates survival as the core issue in life, human and animal? Why were Eritreans ready to fight and die in the liberation struggle, and today they are not even raising a finger, when the crime committed is no less, and one can say worse, because people whom they call their own are committing the crime? That is the sphere of human nature that is beyond our power to explain, i.e., why human beings react differently in similar situations. I think that HTG is referring to this (his concept of the heart), and he is asking what is the reason there is not that motivation, commitment and willingness for sacrifice, to save a nation that is being lost in front of their eyes.
          (HTG, I apologize in advance, if I have misinterpreted you).

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Teddy,

        Really, Wedi Kassa has the support of the people and you need him. How did you come to know that? Are you sure Wedi Kassa has the support of people to do harms? Any justifiable info that support your claim? Please. Isn’t he the right hand of the despot?

  • haileTG

    Selamat awatista,

    As we roll on to yet another rounds of heavy debates on floors of this great forum, let take this short interruption to dedicate this great song to all Eritrean youth caught up in perilous circumstances. Allow me to dedicate it on behalf all Eritreans with good heart to our cherished youth and the true custodians of the Eritrean dream. Enjoy your weekends:-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMfT1p76iEE

    • tes

      ክቡር ሓይለ ዓቢ፥ ብሓቂይ ዓብይ ሰብ

      ነዛ ንእስቶ ሕንጣጦ ወስ ከብል ፍቐደለይ። ሂወት ኣብ ምእላሽ ዘሕለፍክዎ ውሑድ ኣይኮነን። ካብቲ ዝሓለፍክዎ እለሻ ዝተመሃርኩዎ እንተሃልዩ ድማ ምዉናን ነጻ ሓሳባት ኣብ ቀዳማይ ይስራዕ። ሕጂ ግና እለሻ ሂወት ዘይኮነስ ትብዓት ሂወት እዩ ዛንታይ።

      እንሆ፥

      አረ ንምንታይ ኢና ክንድዚ ንርዕድ፧ ናብ ልብና ተመሊስና ጉዳይና ንፍታሕ ንዝበለካስ ማዕረ ክንድዚ ኣካቢድካ ይርአ ድዩ፧

      ሓውና ሓይለኮ ኣንቱም ሰባት ካብ ልብናን የእምሮናን ዝረሓቕና ንመስል’ሞ ንመለስ ደኣ እዩ ዚቢል ዘሎ። ካልእ’ኮ ሕብእ ምስጢር የብላን።

      አረ ገለ ዓዋታውያንስ ምስቲ ናይ ርሑቕ ምብራቕ ፍልስፍና የዛምድዎ ኣለዉ።

      መንነትናን ክብረትናን ዝረሳዖናዮ ንመስል። ዛንታ ኣርባዕተ ኣስመራ ዶ ተረሲዑዩ። ኣደታትና፥ ንዑመ ንስመር ኢለን ዶ ኣይኮነናን እዛ ስማ ብማዕዶ ክንሰምዓ ዝተገደድና ምጭውቲ ከተማና ኣስመራ ዝመስረትኣ፧

      የሕዋተይ፥ ነገራት ኣይነካብዶ። ህግደፋውያን ውን እንተኾነ ትርጉም ናጽነት ስለዘካበድዎ ኣይኮኑን ኣብዚ ሕጂ ዘለናዮ ህሉው ኩነታት ዘለና፧

      ህድእ ንበልሞ ንብና ጽሩይ ደም ናብ ሓንጎልና ብምስዳድ ሰናይ ዝኾነ ሓሳብ ክንሓስብ ኢና።

      ሓውካ

      ተስፋብርሃን

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear tes,

        ኣንታ ዓርኩ ምክባድ ኮይኑ ድኣይረኣየካ ኣሎ እምበር: – ካብ ሓልዮትን ምሒር ፍቅርን ዘነቅል ርኢቶ እዩ :: ኣብ ተታሒዙ ዘሎ ኣርእስትታት ኣድማዒ ግደ ከይተጻወትካን ንተጻይ ኣማን ከየበልካን ካልእ ገፊሕ ክትቆጻጻሮ ዘይታኽእልን ተመዝማዝን ኣርእስቲ ምኽፋት ከይጻግመና እንድኣልና ዝበልና እምበር ሕጂ እንዶ እነሆ ርኢቶና ንህብ::

        ክትፈልጥ ህግደፍ ነዚ ዝኣመሰለ ዕላል ግርም እዩ ዝጥቀመሉ፥ ሃየ በል ኣብ ጎንኻ ኣለኹ: ካብ ሳዕሳዕካ ተቆጻጸ:

        • tes

          ዝኸበርካ ኮኾብ ሰላም፦

          ኣርእስቲ ከቢዱካ ማለተይ ኣይኮነን። ኣብ ፍልስፍና ሂወት ተገዳስነት ኣለካ ጥራሕ ዘይኮነስ፡ ኣብ ኣስተንትኖ ሂወት (meditation) ዕሙቕ ዝበለ ኣፍልጦ ከምዘለካ ካብ ጽሑፋትካ ክግንዘብ ክኢለ እየ።

          ነገር ግን ንሱ ኣይኮነን። ፍላስፋታት ንደቂ ሰብ ብዝርድኦ ዝኽእል ቅልል ብዝበለ ከመይ ገቢሮም ይዛረቡ እዩ እቲ ዛዕባ። ብወገነይ ኣይነካብዶ ክብል እንከለኹ፣ መልእኽቲ ኣብ ምትሕልላፍ ኣይንተሃመል ማለተይ እየ።

          ድሮ ከምዝመስከርካዮ፡ ክልሰ ሓሳብ ልብን ኣእምሮን ድሮ ናብ የእዛን ህዝቢ በጺሑ ኣሎ። ነዚ ድማ እይ ሃየ ንኺድ ዚብል ዘለኹ።

          ዝኸበርካ ኮኾብ ሰላም ሓወይ፥ ፈላስፋ ከምዝኾንካስ ካብ ግጥምታትካ ምርዳእ ከቢድ ኣይኮነን። ኣዝዮም ረቀቕቲ ሰባት ግጥሚ ዮም ዝጽሕፉ። ሓደ ካብኣቶም ምሳና ምህላውካስ ኣዝየ ይሕበን። እንቃዕ ዓወታዊ ኮንኩ።

          ሓውካ

          ተስፋብርሃን

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Michael,

    Whether we like it or not “the right and left” ideological intakes will stay to persist until the struggle between “the haves and have not” is alive and kicking. Therefore I will ask you that, what is the political ideology that could address the “sensible political and economic system ” that could negate the left and right political stands in the 21st century. I hope you didn’t bring that argument without having something in your mind. Come on Micheal, tell us our mind is hungry for new ideas.

    regards,

    Amanuel Hidrat

    • Pass the salt

      Hello Amanuel Hidrat,
      The politics of left and right, liberalism and conservatism are Western concept that have very little relevance to countries like Eritrea. On the culture/tradition front, our people is naturally solid conservative when it comes to things like abortion and gay marriage and one has to wait another 100 years to even think about the legalization of abortion and gay marriage rights. On the economic front, liberalism looks worth considering but to talk about that, you first have to have vibrant and functioning government institutions and private enterprises, two things that are non-existent in Eritrea. So the bottom line is yes we can discuss it here but these issues are not there in reality. What’s there is the struggle for normalcy and basic rights. Topics like left and right or liberal and conservative are out of place in today’s Eritrean politics. May be sometime in the far future.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Pass the salt,

        Two reminders:

        (a) Don’t forget the current predicament is the cause of the “political ideology” of the current regime. However you interpret it, and since politics is the administration of the existing political differences, the polarization and the affinity to settle those differences ideologically will exist throughout our political discourse.

        (b) Even it you go back to the history of the European in 13th, 14th, and 15th century, they were in the same stage of social changes, but their politics were evolved in the same shape and forum. The conflict between the “Conservatives and Liberalist” was hot as it gets, and even they have gone through the 100 years of war and the 30 years of war respectively at different epoch of their history. In short the history of “wars” was the history of “political ideology” this way or the other. Our good mind should focus on how those ideological belief could coexist and survive peacefully. To do that you give them a fair and leveled field in the contest of their values. That is my core believe.

        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

  • Naod Samiel

    You want to bait vulnerable people with food and turn them against their country. You’re not trying to win hearts and minds. You’re trying to win stomachs and appetites.

    • T..T.

      Hi Noad,

      Focus, focus – the goal of hearts and minds in action is to help the two enemies (opposition and pro-govt.) to cross across each side by even going over the bridge to help the Eritrean refugees. In the process, unreasonable enmity will be eliminated thereby reducing misunderstanding and enhancing relationship. Will that lead to heart-to-heart dialogues? Let’s continue the endeavor and find out. Therefore, please join the other voices in calling all to actions of closing the gap and broadening the focus on the Eritrean refugees by ensuring continuousness of such good doing endeavors that reflect actions of heart and minds of those who are into the culture of saving our youth by any means possible be it from opposition side or pro-govt. side.

      • Naod Samiel

        I agree we need to help our youth in need and protect them from those who do not their best interests at heart. I’m not convinced these efforts could bridge the gap between the opposing sides though. I don’t believe our differences are based on misunderstanding. There have been many opportunities to come together, but every time people decided not to use them.

        • T..T.

          Hi Naod,

          You are right; some people cannot be part of the hearts and minds in action.

          Isayas, as a master mind of enslaving and forcing the Eritrean youth to flee the country, is making use of three components to commit the ongoing crimes against the Eritrean youth. These components include members of his cabinet, his generals and his active accomplices, who enthroned him as a ruler for life. Of course, these components are not expected to be part of the hearts and minds in action to help the Eritrean refugees.

  • Mizaan1

    The mind and the heart wrestling.

    At the independence day park:

    Mind: It is the women like this one who are blindly supporting this regime and providing it the necessary moral and financial support. Look at all these people dancing around like nothing happened two days ago in Libya. They are teaching their kids to love this dictator too. And they still sing revolutionary songs.

    Heart: It boggles my mind how proud these women are of their country and flag. They do every thing they can to support their country and their people. They know nothing about politics so why does anyone call them koboro junkies? The kids are learning to love their people, their flag, their country too. One day, one of them could be the future elected democratic leader of Eritrea.

    At the Starbucks:

    Mind: look at all these stupid PFDJ supporters. They are probably talking about me and how they can isolate me and my friends. It amazes me how they find ways to support this regime. They are all regionalists anyway.

    Heart: I am going to go and talk to those Eritreans. I know they hate to hear bad things about the regime but I can make some statements nicely and they may begin to be hesitant at some point. I always thought they were regionalists but they are actually from all areas of Eritrea. There is no Eritrean I know personally who really from his heart who is not hurting for the people who are perishing in the seas.

    Looking at the people opposing the regime:

    Mind: eziom agametat kikonu alewom. Otherwise, they wouldn’t go to Ethiopia for a meeting and they even advocate for sanctions on their own country. What a bunch of sellouts. Damn, how could they not see the CIA, USA, Ethiopia plot to preclude Eritrea from setting a bad example to the rest of Africa?

    Heart: Its always good to hear what other people have to say. It is quite obvious that things are not going too well in Eritrea so these guys do have some good points. Maybe I need to be more realistic and start demanding for positive changes in Eritrea too.

    CIA/Weyane trying to reverse our independence camp:

    Mind: Ethiopia will never rest until it gets Assab or for that matter even the entire Eritrea. Eri-TV makes this clear and Yemane Monkey told us in a closed meeting. We can slip up. We need to support our government at the expense of everything so that our nation is not lost.

    Heart: We have a world recognized independence, we are even a part of UN. So is it possible to reverse any nation’s independence without the will of the people. Maybe somebody is lying to me here. I think Ethiopia really does want to influence our future but reversing our independence might be a bit far fetched.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Mizan,

      ኣ ኣ ህድእ ሚዛን ህድእ : ሓንሳብ እሞ :

      እቲ ልብን ዓቅልን ዝብል ኣምር ስፍሓቱን ዑምቆቱን ገና ኣይተተንከየን ዘሎ : ገና ኣብ መባእታዊ መረዳእታ እዩ ሰብ ዘዕልል ዘሎ :: መፈልምታ ጉዳይ ልብን ዓቅልን ነቲ ገፊሕ ኣፍልጦ ዝውንን ኣዳራሽ ኳሕ ኳሕ ኣብ ምባሉ ንባዕሉ ልቢ ይኹን ዓቅሊ ፍቃድ ከድልዮም እዩ :: ፍቃድ ህይወት – ህይወት እታ ኦሜጋን ኣልፋን ዘይብላ ብሕጊ ነገራዊት ዓለም ዘይትእሰር ወናኒት ክልቲኡ ሓይልታት :: ልብን ዓቅልን ሚዛን ሓልዮም ታሪኻዊ ግብኦም ኣብዘለለይሉ ህሞት ከኣ ህይወት ኣኽሊል ልቦና ተልብሶምን ተንግሶምን ::

      ስለ’ዚ ኣይኮነን ዶ (ኣሺምቧይ ዶ) ኣብ ደንበ ህግደፍ ዝተቆማጠዐ ድኹም ሕልና – እቲ ክንዮ ‘ዚ ንሓቂ ዓጢቑ ብዘይ ነግ ፈረግ ነዊሕ ዝተጋደለ ጎብለል ‘ኳ ዘይበጽሖ ኣምር እዩ :: ‘ሞ ስኽን እልካ ሓሳባት ኣንብብ ::በርትዕ ድማ !! ኣነ እዚ ጉዳይ ካብ ዝለዓል ሓደ ሓሳባ ኣየቅረብኩን -ወላ ‘ኳ እኹል ፍልጠት ከምዘለኒ ዝተኣማመን እንተኾንኩ : እቲ ምንታይሲ ተሃዋስን ተናኻፍን ኣርእስቲ ብምዃኑ :: ከም ሰበይ ገና ምንባብ እየ መሪጸ : ሕጂ ግን ርኢቶይ ክህብ ክጅምር እየ :: by the way, I have been mentioning the word “wisdom” in my comments. here we are going to see how wisdom can be gained, how the soul is more responsible and is the one who pays more than the one life organs heart and mind. what network nature has given between them. I will be back with short window and door poems and pictures. in fact the word Mizan it it represents the balance or the tool that keeps balance you will see it how it works. this is all is to say the subject is wider and you should not try to find it in PFDJ camp.

      • tes

        ዝኸበርካ ኮኾብ ሰላም,

        “ክልሰ ሓሳብ ልብን ኣእምሮን ብተግባር” ተባሂሉ እንተዝትንተን ኔሩስ ንሓውና ሃይለ ዓቢ ክንደይ ደስ ምስ’በሎ፧ እንተ ብዛዕባ ትንተናኡ ዝምልከት ጊና ኣመና ኣይንፍርሓዮ። ኤርትራውያን ኣብዚ መዳይ ኣብ ነንሕድሕድና እንመሃሮ: ተማሂርና ድማ ኣብ ባይታ ክነተግብሮ ንኽእል ብዙሕ ቁምነገር ኣሎና። ህድኣት ጊና ብሓቂ ተድልይና ኣላ።

        ምስ ዕዙዝ ሕውነታዊ ሰላምታ

        ሓውካ ተስ

        • Kokhob Selam

          ክቡር ተስፋ – ክብረት ይሃበለይ :

          እቲ ማእሰርቲ ደቂ ሰባት ጥራይ ንግደሰሉ ኮይና እምበር ቛንቛታትናን ባህልታትናን ‘ውን ኣብ ሓደጋ እዮም ዘለው :: እቲ መሰረታዊ ለውጢ ዝብል ቆራጽ መርገጽ ‘ውን እኮ ጥራይ ብገለ ስምዒታዊ መንቀሊ ክጥመት እንኮሎ ኣብ ገለ ጸቢብ ዓንኬል ተቆራሪሙ እንዳተራአየ እምበር ክሳብ ምድሓን ኣእምሮ ዝስርስሩ ቃላት ዝወረደ መርገጽ እዩ ::

          ዓቃል ዝብል ቃል ካብ ዓቅሊ ዝነቀለ ንወናንነት ስነሞጎታዊ ፍልጠት ዝሕብር እንቶኾይኑ :
          ልቦና ዝብል ቃል ካብ ልቢ ዝነቀለ ንወናንነት ርህራሄ ሓልዮት ፍቅርን ተጻዋርነትን ዝሕበር እንቶኾይኑ :

          ኣጠቃቅማ ቃላተይ ኣብ ቦትኡ ኣሎ ዝብል ግምት ኣለነ:: ነዚ ውን ብዓቅልን ልቦናን ምትርጓሙ ከድሊ እዩ Lol…ብዝኾነ ኣብ ቅድሚና ብዘሎ ረቂቅ ክትዓት ትርጉም እንዳተነጸረ ቃላትና ከነጽፍፍ ኢና ‘ሞ ኣይትሸገር ::

          እንተ ብዛዕባ ድፍረት ግን መቸም ዓቅሚ ይሃበና ካብ ምባል ሓሊፈ ዝብሎ የብለይን::

          ካብ ልብን ዓቅልን ዝነቀለ – ሰላምታ

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Kokhobay,

            I don’t have the tigrina software, but If you agree with me, I would like to make some adjustment in one of your statement. Instead “ንወናንነት ስነሞጎታዊ ፍልጠት ዝሕብር” I would have prefer, you to put it ” ንመሰረታት ስነሞጎታዊ ፍልጠት ዘስተብህል”. I am still mesmerized by your command to the language.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Kokhob Selam

            Thank teacher,

            that is what exotically I want to say. Yet, we can go more deeper and bring more light by giving nearer and nearer phrases when we go deeper on the topic.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            You are making a very good contribution to Tigrina in awate.com forum ,i am not sure if Abi is following ?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            do you notice? people are writing wonderful stories and poems here.

        • haileTG

          Dear tes,

          I like your Tigrinya title. Very good! This thing is taking its own life now!!!

          Thank you brother

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Haile TG,

            ክቡር ሃይላት

            ኣብ ምውህላል ኢና ኮ ቀኒና :: ሕጂ ድማ ዝተዋህለለ ማይ ናብ ግራት ፈሲሱ ኣድማዒ ግደ ክጻወት ዘለዎ ዓቅሚ ‘ባ ክንመዝን !! እቲ ግራት ክንደይ ጋሻ መሬት እዩ – እቲ ክዝራእ ዘለዎ እኽሊ ክንደይ ዝዓቀኑ ማይ የድልዮ- ዝብሉ ሕቶታት ክምለሱ እንከለው ተፈላሳፊ ግደኻ ዓቢ ክኸውን እዩ ::
            ኣብ ሓደ ኣዳራሽ ብዝተገብረ ስናይ ግብሪ ብዛዕባ ልቦናን ዓቅልን ካብ ኣልዓልካ – ሰናይ ተግባር ብይኑ ናብ ዓንቀድዓውነት ከይመርሓና ዘለና መከላኸሊን ናይ ምስትምሳል ባህርያት ከይውሕጠና ክህልወና ዘለዎ ዕጥቅን ገና ኣስፊሕና ክንሪኦ ኣለና ::

            እዋእ ግን እንታይ ከ ገዲፍካ እንተኾነስ እቲ ዓውዲ ውቅያኖስ እዩ ::

      • Mizaan1

        KS, come on now my friend and Tes as well. For that matter HaileTG too. How do you guys propose to explain this heart/mind model to the average Eritrean out there? This is not a scientific experiment in a state of the art lab. Afterall, we are talking about humans. This idea needs to be simplified and made point blank clear if it is going to sell to the Eritrean populous. At this moment, it is an idea for elites like you and Tes. If you guys cannot come up with examples of how this could be applied, then it will just be an idea. Can one of you break down the video HaileTG posted and explain to me how it fits in this model? Is it an isolated phenomenon or there are many others like that but not publicized?

        If what I posted above is not how part of what HaileTG had in mind when he introduced this heart and mind approach, then I am at a loss and I will defer from commenting on this subject until I get a clear explanation of what it means exactly and how it fits to the Eritrean problem.

        • tes

          Dear Mizaan1,

          I think the subject at hand is not hard to understand. It is as simple as it is. Just uniting our whole existence in one. It is what our religious scripts teach, it is what modern psychology teaches. It is not complex at all but I am afraid we are complexing it. Let’s take it easy. Didn’t you read lines that say, ‘come unto thyself.

          The Holy Biblefor example says, “Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”

          or in its simplified version, “Give attention to yourself and your teaching. Go on in these things; for in doing so you will get salvation for yourself and for those who give hearing to you.”

          1 Timothy 4:16

          I am sure its parallel verse exists in Gur’an.

          tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            Haile started it on that level. but it was there in simple and easy level. I thought it will just get one or two days and to those interested that will be enough. but awate give it more space. and you know when awate give such interest means PFDJ group is no more sleeping..Lol. opposition is talking about it. in fact the 67 years old (my friends mother) who read English ask me yesterday about it.
            no more U turn, we have to put it clearly so no opportunist will exploit it. but don’t tell me it is easy.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Mizaan,
          we can decide to which level we can go further but we can’t stop it. in fact we have to talk about it in the future. how do you want to reconcile when the PFDJ fail under your hand, don’t you need to use the heart and mind? now the mind is in power because we have use the logic. like, the enemy is in front of you ready to gun you down, gun him down now…but when the bullet heart him and is badly injured the heart should be stronger to forgive telling that this is helpless human being. this the simple version wait and read please.

        • Ted

          Hi Mizan, it is what it is, just exploring our thinking process in case if we can come up with workable idea to go further. It has a lot of meaning to different people. You and me may not agree on philosophical approach on work and life, the same is true with heart/mind thing. It is intangible concept having different interpretation. What we agree on is our people are in trouble and may be,, may be our thinking process in to solving our problem is the problem. That is where heart/mind thing surfaced and we all try to chip in to make sense out of it.
          The video, well, it is good people doing good things. don’t read too much in to it with heart/mind thing.

    • selam

      Dear Mizaan
      It is the women ? you are better than this mizaan. what do you really mean like this women ? How about the evil MEN from both sides . MEN ,MEN ,come on so many diots ,so many Crooks ,so many liers

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam,

        Ok, time to relax. see how men and women think.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BxckAMaTDc

        • selam

          Dear K.s
          Lol lol , the internet super high way , come on ,this man is just making you laugh because t happens to be a junck. Men are idiots , their box has nothing in it lol ,the nothing box ,can you imagine. You men are born idiots , you men are responsible for destroying and we are responsible for caring about Every thing.You men are ignorant and evil creatures. LOL time to relax and the empity box ,I can imagine DIA

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            But remember the women made Adem Idiot. Lol. and what, women can’t be there without man. you now even in honey social life the mail is useless except consuming what is in heave but without him there will not be colony.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            You are way too funny ,that Adem and Hewan things is just a pure lie by men . We did not do that and we will take you to court for that when the time comes. Do you know 95% of advertise money goes to women and we make the world very very beautiful ,yet you come and spol every thing.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            you all blame us but you all work attract us. every women want to have a man beside her. I ask my wife why is that and she said honestly speaking what life will be there without Kokhob Shikor. Lol.

          • selam

            Dear K.s
            She is right ,can you imagine the world with out men ? Just going back and forth . I think women are good at caring and we are really not in to that me, me ,me and I ,I thing . we want the world to be a peace loving place but men ,men are boring when it comes to politics. You people do not know how to compromise and you always wanted to humiliate your enemies, that one has to change especially in our Eritrean case.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            I signed one page agreeing in what you said. but the other pages are pending. I will sign them if you prove me there is a political party where there is no lady supporting the man.
            I hope you will not say PFDJ. Lol even the justice minister is a women.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            It is not the membership that counts ,it is the leadership. No women in any Eritrean parties are leaders.Nada,that makes the difference in the journey of compromise.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            but with those new once like you I am certain one women full of wisdom will be there. In fact I support the idea of having a women leader in near future. you are mothers,sisters, dougherters

          • Abi

            Hi kokobe, Selam
            Man is the head , woman is the neck.
            Have you watched ” My Fat Greek Wedding?”

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abi,

            where are you man?

            ጭንቅላት ከልብ ጋር እጅግ ተፈካክረው :
            ኣንዱ ካላንዱ መኖር ኣቃታቸው ::

            ወንድ ራስ – ሴት ኣንገት?
            they said that is Canadian American comedy..so what about that?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,

            I can’t believe you saw that movie too. I was dragged to it (I was on a date), but what was your excuse? It was such a bad and good movie at same time that it is un-rate-able. However, it is very famous and high grossing romantic comedy film. Unbelievable!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Abi,

            Fanti Ghana brought basic argument that we all can not deny it. Do you want to tackle his argument? please do so. Fanti Ghana is a good asset to this forum and he is bringing a lot good thing to the table. Beyond that he is a very disciplined and respectful person irrespective who you are and what view you hold dear.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abi

            Kemey Ato Amanuel
            You want me tackle Fanti regarding the role of women? No !!!!
            It is beyond my pay grade.
            Everyone knows about the role a woman plays in the society.
            The following is a conversation between Guad Mengistu and a farmer at Arba Gugu farmers association.
            Mengistu : lemehonu yih mahberachihu setochin yaqfal?
            Gebere : simeshima yet yiqeral getaye !

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,

            “simeshima yet yiqeral getaye”…..ante Keldegna ke-setochu Tornet tikeftaleh endie. Now they will jump at you.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Wend lij tamo enji ferto aymotm !

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            Man is the head ? we can see where you are

          • Abi

            Selam asmara tsbuqti
            I was not thinking wela hanti !

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Selam,

            I have a good weapon for you to use against men when necessary.

            The initial formation of life is a female. That is, the platform used to make a human being is a female gender to begin with. Then nature adds DNA provided, but in some cases environment modified chemicals to make it such as tall or short, light or dark, fat or skinny, and so on. To our amazement, the decision to make it a male or not is decided during and within this “adjustments.” So, it is an after thought that a male is being created so to speak. So, if you really think about it in its basic form, in nature, there is only the female and her creation, the sperm carrier! Naturally speaking, men are not that vital. For multitude of reasons this is as far as I will push my luck. Now, go!

          • Abi

            Fanti
            I need the title of this movie. ASAP.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,
            damn you Abi, this is the second time you ruined my meal for me.
            That movie is rated “lots of biology and chemistry.” No engineers allowed without the guidance of adult psychologists!

            PS:
            Some day you will find out what I do for a living and you will faint.

          • Abi

            Fanti
            do not worry! I have met a coroner before but never fainted. I’m ready to meet you.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi, the reason for this delayed response is your fault, so I am not apologizing (I had to go out to replace my chicken salad sandwich I dropped to laugh while reading your ASAP post).

            At least a coroner still deals with some form of life. Mine is so lifeless if it wasn’t challenging enough, I would have been bored to death. I am very close to when I think my identity may not matter any more, so stay tuned a while longer, and you will know everything. Before you say what does my job have to do with my identity think about for instance someone saying “I am the mayor of so and so city.” Mine is not that dramatic at all, but there are reasons. Trust me.

          • Abi

            Fanti
            Did you go to the chicken farm or the grocery store ? Did you stop by ” yasqugnalesh ” place for chichen supper ? It has been over 5 hrs.
            Don’t tell me it takes 5 hrs to fix a chicken salad.
            I owe you two meals and counting. I don’t remember the first one. Can you remind me?
            Anyway I trust you.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,
            No, in fact it is from across the street, but I hit a human traffic that cost me an hour followed by a phone call followed by a semi-nap. The first one was during reading your parents’ conversation regarding “ene beg negn.” It was a very elaborately prepared breakfast which I spilled my orange juice on.

          • Abi

            Hi Fanti
            Begochuma keEregnochu gar honew ” eyemerun / eyenedun “new.
            Begoch nen silugn yeqeledkubachew
            Qebero norewal ene salawqachew.
            Fanti, I need to know your meal times. I don’t want to spoil your Tihlo.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Selamey,

            ሰላመይ፣
            ጥፍእ ጥፍእ አነዳበልኪ’ኮ ቀቲልክኒ
            ናይ ገጓለይ ናፍቖት ከይኣኽለኒ
            ናትኪ ገደደኒ
            ድሕር ሕጂ ቀዲምኪ ንገርኒ
            እኸይድ ኣለኹ በሊኒ
            እንተኾነ እንተኾነ ኣይትኺድኒ፤

            ንስኺ ዘይብሉ ዋጋ’ብሉ
            ኮኸብ እንተይተረፈ ተፈቲኑ ዓቕሉ፤

            ጽቡቕ ዕላል ነይሩ በቐዳማይ
            ሠሚሮም ይመስሉ የማናይ ፀጋማይ፤

            እህ’ስከ በሊዮም ድሃይኪ ሃቢዮም
            ቅርብ በሊሞ ኣለኹ በሊዮም
            ኣሓትኪ ኣሕዋትኪ ጽን’ልኪ ስምዕዮም
            ዓበይቲ ዓበይቶም ኣኽብሪዮም
            ነቶም መሓዙትኪ አዕልሊዮም
            ንእስ ዘዝበሉ መዓድዮም፤

            ዘይተዛረበ ይኅረፍ
            ዝተዛረበ ይኹለፍ
            ኢሎም ወለድኺ ኣብቲ ሕሉፍ፤

            ኣይትጥፍእኒ ድኣ ሓፍተይ ናተይ
            ኽብሪ ስድራይ ሓያተይ
            ጽባሕ ሓላፊት ሂወተይ
            ኣይንዓኺን’ድያ እምበይተይ??

            ናብራ ኣይጸገመኒ
            ኣይጠመኹ ኣይፀምኣኒ
            ጥፍእ አነዳበልኪ ቀቲልክኒ፤፤

            ሠላም

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear Fanti
            What an uplifting and inspiring fatherly passion and compassion. Does your biological daughter know you have surrogate daughter named Selam?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Mahmuday,
            As a mater of fact I discussed Selam with my daughter about a month ago and subtly threatened her to behave. It was fantastic! Our conversation was 50% I was like that? I am like that? Oh! she is like that? 25% mElesh, and 15% welahi (which drives her mother crazy). She is anxious to meet Selam some day. My daughter’s very poor English won’t allow her to participate here, but they will be very good match with their Arabic, Tigrinya, wits, and of course, money.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Fanti, long healthy and wealthy full of happiness life to you and your lovely doughtier.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dr. Kokhob,
            On behalf of my daughter and myself ኢድ ነሲአ ኣለኹ፤፤

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Mahmuday,

            that was another nice poem. I love it. hey, you came with that wonderful story out of frustration. Fanti came with this poem when she saw me and selam had a peaceful time laughing. Lol…efferent people have different reasons to open their heart and mind. look what Fanti said

            ንስኺ ዘይብሉ ዋጋ’ብሉ
            ኮኸብ እንተይተረፈ ተፈቲኑ ዓቕሉ፤

            reading our conversation fanti was surrounded with love and the heart start to order the mind. the mind ordered the fingers. I love it.Love multiplies and multiplies concurring the land of hate.

          • abrham

            አንታ ጦፈኛ ደለየለይ እንዶ ግዳ ሰብ

            ብርዑ ጓህሪ ንሓፂን ዝልብልብ

            ወያናይ ዘበለ ሐሳባት ዝእርንብ ዝቕርብ

            ተወልደ በለለይ ዓው ኢልካ አድምፀለይ

            አንታ ወዲ መጋለ ወጀረታይ አያይ

            Here below is a link from Solomon for you to refresh yourself before going for search

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr1GBS0OvbE

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Abraham,

            Thank you Hawey Natey,
            I had a young family friend who stayed with me for few months about when this song came out, and she exhausted it so much that it is still ringing in my ears. Here is Negasi Melese, one of my favorites, which every time I listen to it it is like the first time.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGXHJL56FTk

          • selam

            Dear Fanti
            These days I am enjoying reading all commentsof Mahmud saleh, saay , Fanti and there is some problem with my time table. 1/2 year report is coming and my boss is very far away, so I need to attend . Still I have time to read all your comments ,Hi super man take my vote UP

      • Mizaan1

        Dear Selam, it’s not me. It’s my account of what I observed and heard in the park.

        • selam

          Dear Mizaan
          As you know women does not have space in the current Eritrean political discourse and we tend to wait for the dust to cool down ,but I want you to understand that every mother in Eritrea even in the diaspora is thinking about ,how to pass the next day.so when one day like 24 comes it is a way of throw the stress away. They know DIA is committing crime but they also know KINAT HIDHID.

          • saay7

            Selamat Selam:

            I am sorry that you missed out on one of the greatest contributors to awate.com, the great Aklilu Zere, who is no longer a contributor. You can catch up on all his contributions by going here:

            For centuries, says, Aklilu Zere, it was the woman, in partnership with religious leaders (he says the “monk and shiek”) who ran Eritrean households. Then, he says, something changed:

            Once the man was introduced to politics, to the horror of the woman, the sheik and the monk, his nature and behavior changed. He became talkative, arrogant, and dismissive. Everyone but him was ignorant (denakur), and rural (hagereseb). He also started injecting Italian words to his local dialect to show off his aloofness and newly found knowledge. When speaking he threw his hands in gestures more than the Italians did. When he run out of ideas he blamed and accused others. Unbeknownst to his nature and nurture he started stirring non existent differences and instilling doubts into others. In no time he lost his logic and common sense and started venturing into dangerous ideas. The woman, the sheik and the monks were alarmed. The woman initiated a new lesson to her sons “do not copy the men; they do not know what they are talking.”

            You can find that article here: http://awate.com/the-era-of-chaos-colonizers-and-women/

            If you want to read all his contributions, you can find it here:

            http://awate.com/author/aklilu/

            saay

  • tes

    Dear esteemed Awatistas,

    The “heart-and-mind” framework strategy is losing its momentum. I am not sure whether we grasped its core message or not. It is not for charity. According to my understanding it is referring to nawrrow our political thinking through kindness and compassion, through thinking and action, through promise and deeds, through initiation and Transcending, through coming and working together.

    The “heart-and-mind” is not about political blindness but correctness. It is not about hating politics but containing politics. It not part-timing politics but participating. It is not about dreams, illusions and fantasy but about objective and subjective reality.

    The heart-and-mind framework is not who does what but what, how, why and when can be done. If “who” comes in the framework, it is only after for acknowledgement and recognition. For example, the video is here in the front page and its main mission is to acknowledge things done.

    For Eritreans, if I got a chance to criticise ourselves as people, I have only one criticism. If you allow me to do so, just 30 seconds.

    “We don’t have a habit to acknowledge”. That is it. I have nothing else to criticise my beloved Eritrean people.

    Acknowledgement is recognizing what has been done.

    Even to our martyrs, PFDJ failed terribly to acknowledge them. For example, there is no single monument.statue that is dedicated to Eritrean heroes who fall during armed struggle. Erecting a statue is recogniziing the contribution done and reminding those alive the same might happen if good works are on display.

    Instead, PFDJ erected Pushkin’s statue, which is almost nothing to Eritreans compared to what we have at hand. Erecting statue is not for politcal gain but for “Heart-and-Mind” actions. Those who did great are remembered greatly. Therefore, we need to learn acknowledgement.

    Let’s therefore take the right dimension of the the philosophical approach of the idea we have on table (haile TG’s idea).

    tes

  • T..T.

    Hi Michael,

    Such youth activities will strengthen all-Eritreans awareness as well as will remove barriers to joint-projects of Eritrean opposition and pro-govt members. Surely, it is time to close the gap and broaden the focus on the Eritrean refugees by ensuring continuousness of such good doing endeavors that reflect actions of heart and minds of those who are into the culture of saving our youth by any means possible.

  • ghezaehagos

    « What we take, however big or small, lasts for the moment only but what we give, however small or large, lasts for eternity. The act of being a brother’s keeper doesn’t have to be reserved for a special day alone, it should be a lif…e long commitment. ….he opposition should fight the center ground by reaching out to those who need a little support to gain what they lost to the dictatorial regime. They shouldn’t hope to make head ways by repeating what everyone knows a thousand times. [In solidarity with those who are] being traumatized by the current situation. If the opposition needs to win hearts and minds, the time is ripe to roll up our sleeves and get our hands dirty…” Haile TG (The Great)

    In my considered opinion in the ‘delyti fithi,’ one of the finest minds in the ‘deleyti ftihi’ camp is Haw Haile TG, a commentator at awate.com forum. His latest priceless advice is uplifting and convicting too.
    I hope we will have the ears, the will to execute big-hearted actions.
    Thanks Haw Haile, (Amlak yibreka!)
    Ghezae

    • haileTG

      Dear Ghezae,

      Thank you brother. The same to you too. I am sure there are many unsung heroes larger than life too. But, where we focus our heart, our mid shall follow and every little contribution to that endeavor is as important as the whole, for the latter can’t be a whole without it. I share your values in this regard.

      Thanks for the kind words.

  • said

    Selam,

    What could be more important than helping and reaching hand to our brothers of dire need,when do good we do for our own self , in the search of the transcendent; the Hidden Clues, the Secrets of Life, that serve the purposes of the Grander Design touching every soul and rendering us both immortal in our relentless quest to make this a better world.

    The nonstop young Eritrean Paying Farewell to their beloved one, to the land and the Sea of Eritrea, in the hope and of a Promise to meet again; The Sea and them, they both conversed in deep silence as they both shared a muted secret where the past is the present; where the now is the eternity oblivious to the vagaries of time and space.

    Eritrean misery is indescribable, the alienation among young is strong for many reasons. The sense of loss of belongingness and identity, depersonalisation and lack of opportunities, and the realty and let down and of abandonment by Asmara regime.

    I just wonder if I and many of Eritrean colleagues of 35-Years after graduation are we better informed lot, some of you today la crème de la crème, of the ills of the Eritrea and how we can endeavor, truly and honestly, are truly done our share of being involved to making this Eritrea a better place and try put an end to our nation turning Topsy-Turvy? That’s the First and Foremost Question that Comes to Mind: 35 -years after graduation have we sincerely Fulfilled Our Social & Human Responsibilities in our troubled nation? Charity start at home.

    To Bring the Point Home, as one of your colleagues, rather a close friend, I wish to remind you that some of us denied or self-imposed the right to visit or return, even simply visit the very place where we were born, the graves of our parents, grandfather , aunts and uncle in our hometown our country of Birth Eritrea .

  • SenaiErtrawi

    Selamat all,
    Do you guys wonder how commenting back and forth on forums helps the cause we seem to care about? I sense great minds in here and I keep wondering if this is all they are capable of . . .

    HaileTG mentioned this idea of attracting followers through social services and I am very interested to know if that is only in his head or . . . .

    Memhir SGJ,
    If HaileTg starts something like that and I follow him, do you give us flight permit and promise not to shoot the idea before it takes off — just kidding:)

    • Saleh Johar

      Senai,
      That is funny. All safe flights are allowed to fly and land. Commandeered and suspect flights will be shot on sight 🙂

      For more clarification, refere to the Tigrinya adage: tetsgbbeni qicha ab moqloa’a kola ‘felTa 🙂

      NB: HaileTG’s qicha is big enough and I would even volunteer to be part of the baking team.

      • Abi

        Ato Saleh
        Sewyew abedu yihes aysemam
        Wend yabokaw qiTa lerat eko aybeqam
        Setochun Tiruachew tef tef yibelu
        Migib AyTafTim enesu kelelu
        Yetalech Selam qeldua yemaygebaw ?
        Yetalech hayate dimtsua minafqew?
        Yetalech Yodita fitsum yelat acha?
        Yepapilonma qoy bicha qoy bicha!

  • haileTG

    Selamat awatista,

    I still sense alot of grappling from many as to what this whole issue is about. Is it about handing out charities alone? Is it about aspiring to some utopian state of fairness and equality, is it about the US republican or democrats and their politics, is it about th emotions and feelings senses by our hearts and triggered by the mind’s calculation, is it about what the bible / Qoran teaches, is it about African politics, is it about generational gaps…what is it about????

    In my view it is lesser, yet also at the same time greater than all those things and much more. It is about RESPONSIBILITY, i.e having an obligation to do something, or having control over or care forone another the right way. The opposition organizations should embark on this task and those ACTUALLY directly to be impacted will follow. Our society is at a stage very shameful to imagine, there are no easy way outs, but the heart and mind operation is a humble begining in the ardous journey of the restoration of the Eritrean dignity.

    Regards

    • SenaiErtrawi

      Haileee!
      ኣታ ሰብኣይ ረስዓዮም እንዶ ነዞም ኦፖዝሽን። ክሳብ መዓስ ኢና ድኻም ኦፖዝሽን እንዳ ጸብጸብና ካብ ሓላፍነትና ክንሃድም፧ እምብዋዕ!!

      • haileTG

        SenaiErtreawi,

        እምቧእ! ካን በበይንና ይሓይሽ ኢልካ? ዘይ ንሱ’ዩ እቲ ጸገም። ፈቲና ጸሊእና እዞም ውዱባት ናብ ዘብልዎ የብሎምን። ክትውስኸሎም እንተዘይልካ። ዶ’ስ ቂጫ ኣትፈቱን ኢኻ ብቝንዱ። 🙂

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Salam Emma and tes and all esteemed awatistatat….Harbegnatat

    I see what what both of you mean; but my comment was purely apolitical. Sharing knows no right or left politics, unless it’s done within those intentions in mind. The act of sharing is human. Sharing something would mean a/you kill your biological/psychological urge to keep the whole in order to feed your needs.
    b/ you drive joy and satisfaction by making others happy and secured.
    Animals do not do that after the initial nurturing stage of their young. So, I agree if we are talking politics, but I was not in a mood to even fathom poletikawi Hateta. I read it after a long day when I was just about to sleep, and it made my night.

    I know Amanuel,you have your own personal testimonies on how helping others gives you satisfaction, you were in the relief assignments in ELF. I have seen altruistic acts all my life. My heroes tend to be those who shared their knowledge, time and energy to a cause without being asked for that. It could be as simple as teaching, sharing information…experience…breakfast, etc. In global perspective, I admire the REAL NGOs stuff (not the ones that scam and the ones which are employed for intelligence gatherings and the bullying and shaking down of poor states, but the REAL ones ) who put their life on the line by jumping to assist their fellow human being in areas of strife. The Red Cross/Crescent; Me’dicins San Frontie’res (Doctors Without Borders, just imagine what the Ebola stricken West-Africans’ fate would be without these entities), CARE…Catholic Relief Services, our own ERA…Dr. Alganesh…and now these young people from Bologna and others remind us that tragedies know no politics. Hence, the human response to such tragedies should not be restricted by political parameters. I just want you to understand that I understand the angle from which you are treating the debate, but mine was different; it was a pure human response. I feel we can reward and encourage such noble initiatives taken by our youth for what they are, on their face value, and let their initiatives have their own organic foundation. Let them take it the direction they want to take it. At the end, they have proven us wrong. And here is why, Semere brace for this, buddy.

    In the year so and so, a guy called Semere Andom flew to Rome for a mission. His mission was to size up the situation of our newly arrived immigrants. Although Semere and the youth met at heart level, they did not click at mind level. The situation caused Semere’s thoughts to whirl and spin to the extent that Semere felt he was hit by a Texas Tornado. The next day, he cut short his visit, and returned to his beloved Toronto. He immediately reported to SAAY “Nah, they are not salvageable.” Well, after one year, the young people in Bologna proved him wrong. As both of you, Emma and tes, are alluding to, yes, the heart and the minds need to work in synergy, otherwise, it’s a waste of time and energy. If they fail to pace in harmony, the push/pull conflict between them eats up the energy they could have unleashed simultaneously at accomplishing a task. Therefore, when hearts and minds don’t harmonize, inefficiency and dissonance takes place.

    Also they have proven us wrong too on a related area- i.e. what should the emphasis or the theme of the moment be. If you remember, on the 24th Independence Day, we were bogged in discussing 60s and 70s era history (blame it on Semere) instead of discussing creative ways of provoking our young people to step up, instead of leading or lending them some advices, we were totally disconnected (disclaimer: not all of us). Well, despite the paralysis of the organized political factions (some older than PFDJ) the young people are doing their part using today’s means of struggle…that’s using the mind cleverly in order to win the hearts. Thanks again to the young folks in Bologna, ኮሪዕክም ኣዅሪዕኩምና።

    Regards.

    • tes

      Dear Mahmud Saleh,

      The heart-mind approach is not out of political context. It is not meant to detest politics and go after humanitarian charities. haile TG is trying to contextualize its true essense. This is where I came and tried to put my small input.

      Chinese leaders learneda great deal from Confuscious’s political philosophy. if we quote one of his central views, it reads as:

      “Confucius’ political philosophy is also rooted in his belief that a ruler should learn self-discipline, should govern his subjects by his own example, and should treat them with love and concern. “If the people be led by laws, and uniformity among them be sought by punishments, they will try to escape punishment and have no sense of shame. If they are led by virtue, and uniformity sought among them through the practice of ritual propriety, they will possess a sense of shame and come to you of their own accord” `(source: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/confucius/)

      Equally, we can treat haile TG’s mind-boggling Heart-mind perspective to enrich our political discourses. Therefore my intervention here is not to divert the issue on table and as if it is meant for charity works. Of course, extending hands should be our prime motive to run our politics. If not, what will be better than diehard PFDJ political principle.

      the rest, simply enlightening. keep on!!!

      tes

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Dear HaileTG
    Thanks for sharing this video, and thanks for the accompanying comment. The act of giving to or sharing with the needy is the role of the heart. The heart actually detests politics; it tends to stay on the morally acceptable side until it’s overcome by the calculating mind. It minds and nurses the wretched. And when hearts of free young men and women meet, they make many depressed souls smile; they repair broken hearts; they shine hope on those forlorn faces. God bless you all who have participated in this noble action. Than you AT.

    • tes

      Dear Mahmuday,

      I am just going to work but let me bring to your attention. You wrote, “The heart actually detests politics..”. Mahmuday, I have reservation on this regard. Before going into detailed bissection, I would like to define what politics is.

      In its true sense, politics is way of life. and

      In its corrupted definition, it is all about power excercise.

      We Eritreans know the later form of politics. We lost the true meaning of politics. If politics has its original definition, the heart loves it.

      Let me present you one of my favorite speech of all time; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRIF4_WzU1w

      Marthin Luther King was a master user of “Heart and mind” approach. Yet, he is a master of politics. His strugggle has emanicipated millions of black people and transcended the white’s way of thinking towards humanity.

      Therefore, dear Mahmuday, I know your wisdom by now very well but I call you to be more specific when you mean something.

      The heart loves politics when it has a significant and positive impact on the way we live. Societies need politics in its true sense.

      Huka
      tes

      • haileTG

        Dear tes an Mahmuday,

        Please continue to expand on that topic heart/politics. In reality, the act of sharing for sharing sake is noble and happens in many Eritrean walks of life too. We are trying to bridge the gap: a/ between the people and change seeking forces b/ between the people themselves.

        For example, the issue of street dwelling by new Eritrean migrants in Milano is rife. Eritrean mothers in Milano usually see this but had been unable to do what a mother would do. On the same day the above act was happening, the whole world had seen them what Many Eritrean mothers were doing in PFDJ expo festivity (many not all – this is a well documented case). They are not evil mothers at heart but the evil regime has suffocated their good heart out. And they curse the reality in their heart, yet their mind had to serve the will of the evil regime. Eritrean embassy in Rome has regular Champagne guests, while actively sabotages any work to organize and mobilize the people there. There are Eritrean opposition chapters in Italy and nearby countries as Germany and Switzerland, they had many political seminars around there but never an initiative to connect and take initiative. The context of heart work we are looking for is one where the deep mistrust among the people, among the justice forces, among the Eritrean street dwelling boy in Milan and Eritrean PFDJ serving mother in Milan… is broken. It is intended to poke a major hole in the evil blanket with which PFDJ is suffocating and smothering Eritrea to catastrophic end. We don’t need PFDJ to look after each other and look out for each other. This is a mark of declaration of independence for our heart, to take back what is rightfully ours as a people and challenge morally those who stand in the way.

        In a nutshell, the Eritrean mind is resolving to go against the Eritrean heart, all in service of one political objective or another. Hearts and Mind is framework strategy to turn the situation around before it is too late.

        Regards

        • tes

          Dear haile TG,

          I will do my usual small input to the discourse though I prefer to learn at these time. Awate Forum is discussing issues at speed light. I can’t believe sometimes how much I am lagging. እቲ መዕገርገሪ ገጠብ ‘Gheteb” እንዲዩ ሓፍ-ኮፍ እናበለ ምንባብ ካብ ሳሌዳ ከሊኡኒ። ሕጂ-ሕጂ ኮ ክላስ እናብኮረ ሰላመይ ረኺበ። Back to business,

          Dear haile TG, Eritreans are gaining their momentum. I have seen that and I am observing itgrowing day and night. For my new year vacation, I visited Swithzerlan and stayed there for almost a week. It was Lausane.

          There, I have learned from a friend who is directly involving in those activities that Eritreans living in Swiss are working hard to keep the spirit of refugees high. Some of them organize a weekly based dinner and give them moral and spiritual strength. I discussed with my friend who was living at that time in temporary refugee camp. He couldn’t find enough words to express his appreciation on the way those fellow Eritreans are trying to help them. Abba Mussie Zeray, as a person in charge of Catholic Church in Swiss has a great role in facilitating and helping such works.

          En France, we are also strengthening our base. So far, we have kicked PFDJ worshipers from our city.

          I am sorry and it is not meant anything else but how we can be organized even within a short period of tiem. Saying that here is some of the activity we are doing. I tried for the first time to give an introductory speech in French. It was not easy but starting is not a sin. Hope your “heart-mind” approach is in action.

          The speech is not complete, though I talked the other half about humanity crisis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFdAVQpS4UI

          The complete speech is (most content of speech is refered from online sources).

          Votre Excellence monsieur chairman,

          Chers Amis Invités,

          Chers mes camarades,

          Bonjours à Toutes, Bonjours à tous ;

          Bonsoir :

          Aujourd’hui, le 24 mai est la journée nationale Erythréenne, une date avec historique lourde, vraiment lourde ! Nous étions supposés célébrer être à notre pays, ensemble avec tous les familles proche avec grand bonheur. Malheureusement, nous n’avons eu aucun.

          Je vais vous dire pourquoi mais permettez moi d’abord je vous présenter à propos de mon pays.

          Chers mes amis,

          Erythrée comme pays

          L’Érythrée, en forme longue l’État d’Érythrée, est un pays de la Corne de l’Afrique, indépendant de l’Éthiopie depuis 1993. L’Érythrée est bordée au nord-est par la mer Rouge où elle jouxte l’Arabie saoudite et le Yémen, et limitrophe du Soudan à l’ouest, l’Éthiopie au sud et à l’ouest et Djibouti au sud-est. Sa superficie totale est d’environ 121 320 km.

          Les hauts plateaux du Nord, dont l’altitude varie de 1 800 m à 3 000 m, possèdent un climat tempéré de type méditerranéen; les espaces côtiers en revanche sont chauds et arides.

          L’’Érythrée possède des réserves d’or, de potasse, de zinc, de cuivre et de sel, et peut-être du pétrole et du gaz naturel. Les îles Dahlak constituent une région intéressante pour la pêche.

          La capitale et plus grande ville du pays, Asmara, est la cinquième capitale la plus élevée du monde ; les principales autres villes sont Keren, Agordat et les ports d’Assab et Massaoua.

          En peu de histoire

          À la suite de l’achat par les Italiens de la baie d’Assab, au sultan local en 1869, puis leur occupation de Massawa en 1885, l’Érythrée est constituée en 1890 en territoire particulier. Après la défaite italienne durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale, l’ONU (L’Organisation des Nations Unies) décide en 1952 de fédérer l’Érythrée à l’Éthiopie, qui l’annexe en 1962. C’est le début de la guerre d’indépendance qui se termine en mai 1991 par la victoire du mouvement indépendantiste, le Front populaire de libération de l’Érythrée (FPLE) mené par Issayas Afewerki , ancien combattant de liberté, et donc par la chute du gouvernement éthiopien.

          En 1995, des affrontements opposent l’Érythrée au Yémen à propos de la possession des Îles Hanish, au sud de la mer Rouge. La Cour de justice internationale les attribue ensuite en grande partie au Yémen. En mai 1998, une nouvelle guerre éclate entre l’Éthiopie et l’Érythrée sur le tracé de la frontière. Elle fait environ 100 000 morts. Le conflit cesse en 2000 avec les accords d’Alger qui conduisent au déploiement des casques bleus sans mettre fin aux tensions, le tracé de la frontière entre les deux États restant contesté par l’Éthiopie. Une commission indépendante de l’ONU a émis un arbitrage sur la question de la frontière en 2003, mais cette solution a été rejetée par l’Éthiopie.

          Culture, communies et économie

          Les religions principales sont le christianisme et l’Islam qui a vécu ensemble pendant plus de 1400 ans. La plupart des chrétiens érythréens faisant partie de l’Église érythréenne orthodoxe, une des Églises (improprement) dites « coptes » (monophysites, et non grecques-orthodoxes), en communion avec ses homologues éthiopienne et égyptienne ; et l’islam, principalement sunnite. Chacune de ces religions
          regroupe environ 50 % de la population.

          Les Érythréens parlent neuf langues appartenant aux groupes sémitique et couchitique de la famille afro-asiatique. Le tigrinya et l’arabe, représentent 85 % des locuteurs en 2012. Les autres
          langues parlées sont le Saho (4 %), le Bilen (3 %), le Rashaida (3 %), l’afar…

          L’anglais est la seconde langue administrative, afin d’aider à l’unification des différents groupes
          linguistiques. Tous les textes administratifs importants sont traduits en anglais, qui est aussi utilisé au Parlement, dans l’armée et par les membres du gouvernement.

          La guerre d’indépendance a été dévastatrice pour l’économie érythréenne. Le port sur la mer Rouge, Massaoua, est tombé aux mains des indépendantistes érythréens dès février 1990. L’aviation éthiopienne a alors pilonné la ville pendant cinq jours, détruisant une partie des
          infrastructures.

          Agriculture constitues environ 80% de ressource humaine.

          Epoque Contemporaine et situation politique : La raison de notre

          Amnesty International, qui cite le chiffre de 10 000 prisonniers politiques, Human Rights Watch ainsi que le département d’État américain font état de détentions arbitraires et de violations des
          droits de l’homme en Érythrée. Les classements mondiaux de la liberté de la presse – établis en 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 et 2013 par Reporters sans frontières – classent l’Érythrée en dernière position.

          Le régime politique du pays est très fermé et les libertés restreintes. Issayas Afeworki est président sans nouvelle élection depuis 1993.

          De nombreux Érythréens quittent leur pays (plus de 300 000 en dix ans selon l’agence aux réfugiés de l’ONU), pour des raisons économiques ou politiques, et cherchent un asile dans des pays proches (Éthiopie, Djibouti, Soudan, Yémen, Arabie saoudite, Israël, etc.) (Notamment des camps de réfugiés entre Soudan et Ethiopie gérés par l’UNHCR et où ils s’entassent par dizaines de milliers) ou lointains. Ils constituent une partie importante des personnes qui tentent de traverser la Méditerranée clandestinement pour venir en Europe.

          Juste maintenant comme je parle, plus de 1000 personnes sont eu milieu de mer Méditerranée
          qui voyage un bateau de 50 personne mais il y a 200. Imagine !

          Merci !

          tes

          *during the celebration, there were Ethiopians, Sudanese, French, Nigeria, France, Rwanda, Amarica.

          Volià, Le cœur et l’esprit en action!!!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Mahmuday,

      “The act of giving to or sharing with the needy is the role of the heart”, but it is also part of of the “leftist political advocacy” in the Western political world as oppose to the greedy rightist political advocacy. In the leftist political thought, the mind and the heart are working in conjunction with each other, where the mind understands the feeling and demand of the heart. Hence Mahmuday, since sometimes political action is to answer the feeling and demand of the public, you can’t dissociate “the act of giving and sharing” from politics. In our contemporary world everything has political connotations unless we have different understanding on what politics is.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • saay7

        Hey Emma:

        Your information is incorrect, sir. Study after study has shown that in the U.S. conservatives (right wingers) donate more of their money to charity than liberals (leftists). This is because leftists believe it is the governments duty to run charity–mandatory charity: rob Peter to give to Paul.

        Here’s one study from 2014:

        “In an even starker finding, the study shows that the religious and conservative states are the most generous givers. Seventeen of the most generous states, in relative terms, voted for Romney in 2012, while 15 of the 17 least generous ones picked Obama for re-election.”

        So the best way to be charitable is to believe that government shouldn’t be in the business of redistributing wealth and when it does it is inept at it: it merely ends up distributing power to itself. I will give money to a charitable leg before I give it to a government; and I will give it to a tiny charitable org before I give it to a big charitable org. That’s the mind tempering the bleeding heart:)

        saay

        This may expose a correlation between conservative voters believing that redistribution is something that should be done out of their own pocket, not by the government.

        It may also highlight links between religious belief – more common among Republican voters – and charity donations, which are funnelled towards, and encouraged by the Church.

        • haileTG

          Hey saay,

          Arghh.. I am freaking angry now!! ..haha just kidding.

          When you say “we are captives of our raging emotions”, I think you’re on my side of the argument. There are 7 basic emotions: Anger, Contempt, Fear, Disgust, Happiness, Sadness and Surprise. All of those are triggered by the mind. The sense of shame, pride, jealously and guilt are feelings that are only sensed by the heart. You may ask a Happy camper YPFDJ telling you that Eritreans dying in the sea are xbox hunters, “have you got No Shame
          What that shows you is that the mind triggers emotions all over the place and for all sorts of reasons. Even PFDJ uses ghedli to stir emotions! While the second question is a direct challenge to person’s heart. The reason some Eritreans walked in to the Boston PFDJ dance occasion in the week following the Lampedusa tragedy, while covering their faces is a clear demonstration of “contempt for the dead” from the mind and “shame of one’s action” from the heart fighting for the control of the person’s reaction. The situation was profound and the docile heart came out fighting, forcing the persons to do their walking in “shame”.

          Emotions are wild monkeys set off by the mind to terrorize the brave heart into silence while it perpetrates what ever takes its delight. And when you say that “we are captives of our raging emotions” that is what happens when the heart is crowded out in order to make room for the mind’s selfish designs. IA is Very emotional, does it make him a man of heart? Not so. Hence, I am only giving you a heads up, so that you don’t end up the putting the wrong foot forward when you do join the discussion on this topic:-)

          Also, it appears that there is a tendency (not you) to reduce this discussion to mere “charity”. That is not the point made here. The work in people issues begins with owning your heart. But once you do, peoples issues are far too complex and varied. We are trying to re-tool the “feeble opposition” and de-arm “the almighty PFDJ”. It is a strategic concept and charitable work are one component of that but not all that it entails.

          Cheers

          • Ted

            Dear HTG,Each Eritrean has something to give. Some have wealth, some have talents, some have time. Whatever gifts we have been given large or small, when we do share, we make the world better for someone else and find true meaning and satisfaction in our own lives. I am in favor of it and commend those who participated in those actions. The relationship between Donner and the needy is supposed to be pure with no sting attached to it. When you try “charities and alms”. as strategy to re tool to the” feeble opposition” and disarm ” the almighty PFDJ” , you lost the purpose of your deeds in helping the needy in genuine sense rather it becomes political maneuver changing the battle from the meeting halls to the street. Leaving PFDJ aside, Even we assume this strategy has a potential to bring the opposition close to the hearts of Eritreans, the strategy still it lacks one important factor, strong and united opposition. “The work in people issues begins with owning your heart” That is great but what would a response be if we apply those ideas to the “15 opposition groups”, would they come to their senses and say ,what are we doing dividing in 15 groups when our need is one and identical? or would they say we rather do our own charity with more cheese on the plate than the other opposition. If we stay divided the way we are, all intentions does’t materialize. Eritreans need every assistance they can get in their arduous journey and who ever help them genuinely will have a special place in their heart.

            “Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. (NIV, Matthew 6:1-2)

          • haileTG

            Selamat Ted,

            Your take on unity is perfect, I have nothing to add. Your first point about the help being not for “ultorior motive” loses the whole point. Eritrean problems are first and formost the concern of Eritreans. We are responsible to solving them, not some one else. Therefore, our work should have political, social and economic facets that complement each other. Yes, the opposition should enter the fora fot the battle of hearts and minds, but should never compromise in its fighting goals of the brutal regime. It should fight for truth, not emotional fear mongering; it should fight for helping those victims of dictatorship regain their lost grounds and fight back for their rights. This is no wishy washy proposal, it is a serious confrontation against the regime and to force it to back down and hand over power to the people. If I help a family, I don’t also try to hide or dilute the causes of the problems too. No help is good help, unless it enables the rciever to become independent and master of his/her own destiny. To do so, the help needs to focus in those ways that re-tool the despossed and neutraliz their oppressor. That is not STRINGs but responsibility. You, me and the opposition are Eritreans, why would they have strings? It is not external help that we are talking about. Also, try to see the heart’s work in a wider context. Not just handing out charities. That is a small but important job. What are the other facets of the heart’s job?

            Regards

          • Ted

            Dear HTG, i have no problem whatsoever motivated Eritreans doing the charity work since it does not have any string attached to it. My problem is with the opposition taking it as the strategy to win the heart of Eritreans. The concept of charity, it is about selfless act of kindness which can not manipulated because we are naturally designed to know what is charity and what is not. When we go back in our discussion of mind/heart we almost agreed the opposition failed because it does not have the hearts of Eritreans. What has changed since then and now except to come up with strategy to feed the needy to win the hearts. Our hearts can’t be fooled by food or cloth even by asylum visa. Charity comes next not first, first we need to convince them unequivocally we are there for them, for their freedom. These needy new immigrants are not different from one who lived 20 plus years in diaspora when it comes to understanding the opposition, we equally know how dysfunctional and inept they are bringing changes for Eritreans, ask Semere. When we have united opposition to be a force to be reckon with and the rest solves itself. Charity is easy what it is not is bringing the oppositions to form the united front for the sake of the people.

          • haileTG

            Hey Ted,

            I think we’re not reading the same way into this issue. You can’t say Eritreans don’t have the heart for the organized opposition, they are one and the same. They are Eritreans too. I am saying the organizations do not invest on people issue and hence lack the grass root mobilization capacity. Also, please remember the issue isn’t about charity alone. Justice is another area of heart work, reconciliation and unity is also another, investing in community development is another, establishing safe places for youngsters in the diaspora is also another. Can you give at least two more examples? When you say “My problem is with the opposition taking it as the strategy to win the heart of Eritreans.”, what context would you prefer for all the above and more? Religious, governmental, philanthropy??? The primary aim of a movement is regain control of its lost rights and dignities. Why do you feel the opposition shouldn’t have a right to do so (unless you are only looking at alms and not the issue as a whole).

            Regards

          • Ted

            Dear HTG, i am talking about the effectiveness of this charity, i think you left out the elephant in the room, what unity means for Eritreans. Which opposition group Eritreans give the money to. Eritreans appreciate when they get feed and cared for specially when it is from their own kind. Do you go our merry ways after or give them some pamphlet to read. What would this pamphlet say about them or the other opposition. And as usual the next group would come and do the same. now it became fighting ground which they have been doing in conference offices for decades. If i were a needy person the first thing i would i ask them is(after i ate of course) why so many. Charity under the name of opposition is acceptable and commendable, but to be effective as a political tool it has to include the grass root movement who believes on the purpose of the opposition they support.

          • haileTG

            Haha..Ted, why talk after eating? For personal political purposes, perhaps? 🙂

            Anyway, you got to give in and admit that this isn’t about alms or charities alone. Are you specifically commenting about the video? Because I am looking at the whole Heart and Mind strategy. For example, your interests of seeing united front have something to do with this strategy. But it is a political decision driven by heart not the calculation of the mind. We know where that got us too. You can’t only look at charity and try to adjudicate one way or another. If me and you speak mind to mind, we are no more or less than any two strangers, however if we talk heart to heart, we become Eritreans of common nation. In our mind engagement, the Eritrean identifier is in name only and have nothing to get us to work outside our particular interest. But with a heart conversation, that same identifier as Eritrean carries many responsibilities, commitments and shared values and dreams. Why do we have to just talk about charity? Let’s leave that to PFDJ and the EU 🙂

          • Nitricc

            Hi Ted; I could have agreed with your take, if the help was given to the children; the elderly; the sick and the crippled. But when the youth; the very youth that the engine of change; the very youth that the productive member society; the very youth that with abundance of energy; the very youth that a mother of creativity, is fleeing from its responsibility and depending on handouts with its misery? Then; I don’t know what to tell you. I know; supposed to say like oh my heart is bleeding and I am crying and all bull crap but how about facing the real issue head on?

          • Ted

            Hi, Nitricc, Our conundrum can be explained as some sort of “lack of imagination”, ask saay. They didn’t let Eritrean politics simmer and explode at its own pace, rather they let it have a pressure release valve by dangling visa in the face the youth who could been the the fire and fuel of change.

          • saay7

            Hey Hailat TG:

            You are sooooo crafty:) You made a list of all the emotions and then you sorted them: those that are good emotions (compassion, generosity, empathy) the heart is responsible for; and all the bad emotions (envy, jealousy, spite) the mind is responsible for. Ergo: listen to your heart.

            This is a reverse of a punchline that 80s comedian/philosopher who loved riddles once said: “the brain is the most important organ we have. At least that what my mind tells me.”

            instead of the organ responsible for each emotion (of course we all know the heart is just a cardiovascular blood pumping machine:) and the mind requires literally a brain surgeon to understand, why don’t we list all traits that have arrested our development? I think “arrested development” refers to an unevolved mind:)

            saay

          • haileTG

            Dear saay,

            I see you’ve been completely at arms length with your softer side:-) You are sort of having trouble with all these heart stuff. I think you are a man of discipline and precision, that is the mind at its finest. But the heart isn’t like that. It is a kind of mixed bag.

            The heart can simultaneously feel defeated in the face of apparent victory. It can nurse longing, while in company and can cry in joy or sadness. I see you having hard time to place it some where, but that it exactly the problem. It doesn’t want to be placed anywhere, it is free, and likes to be so, just like a stream of running water from a spring that is constantly and instantly replenished. Here is a clue to clear up the misconception: emotions (good or bad) are temporal and reactive, where as what is in the heart is a state that maintains over a span of a persisting condition.

            There is a heart out there longing to meet you dear saay. A hear of some one close, some one you known but can no longer be together. Even if they feel normal emotions on daily basis, their state of longing is constant. You see the difference?

            Emotions keep the heart caged at the will of the mind. That is Eritrea’s problem.

            cheers

          • saay7

            Hey Hailat

            Emotion is what possesses us to do something that we later on say “I don’t know what I was thinking!” 🙂

            I am actually trying to see how you will connect this to the Eritrean dilemma. Here’s my view:

            Do you know that some companies have reduced their employee manual to one sentence? And that is: exercise good judgement. In other words, use your brain. We the company have empowered you to make decisions, we will train you how to make decisions but we are going to expect you to except use good judgement.

            And because you won’t know what that is, we will share with you our purpose and our belief. Our mission statement. The whole rationale for our existence. If you join us, we expect you to buy into our mission.

            Now then. Can the PFDJ articulate its mission? Yes. What is it? To improve Eritreans (in the aggregate level, not the individual citizen but the social citizen) quality of life. How is it doing? Disastrously, to my reading. Phenomenally, according to its supporters. But it’s a losing proposition for them because there are way too many witnesses to their crimes. As Maya Angelou said in an oft-quoted piece: ” I’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”

            Can we in the opposition articulate our mission? Kinda. It’s to remove PFDJ from power and then to usher in an era of dignity and peace. How are we doing in our mission? Well, even asking this question generates anger among us (that damn heart again) and we haven’t had a cold, unemotional assessment. We swim in sentimentality and longing and regrets but we don’t harness them to create action plans. Movements require passion; Politics requires organizational discipline. I think:)

            saay

          • haileTG

            Dear saay,

            Our divergence is narrowing than it appears to be 🙂

            Before addressing how this is connected to the Eritrean dilemma, let me point out one inconsistency in the way you argued emotions. My point is that emotions are of the mind and serve to tame the heart. You said:

            “Emotion is what possesses us to do something that we later on say “I don’t know what I was thinking!”

            That is indeed that is correct! We are rightly putting the blame on the “thinking” that made it happen (whatever that was). We are saying “my thinking at the time caused me to react emotionally”. Isn’t that what I am saying? It is the thinking that provokes the emotions, whose expression results in a hurt. By thinking in a certain way we provoked certain emotion to govern our judgement. Misguided thinking provoke misguided emotions that result in loss and regrets. Your example proved my basic premise.

            Now to your question as to how this connects to the Eritrean dilemma. Again, I will rely on an incorrect thinking that underlined your conclusions. You consider that according to the regime supporters, the PFDJ is doing phenomenally. No they don’t. They actually consider the PFDJ is doing badly due to CIA, Woyane, Subordinates, plots…. and they think that the fall of PFDJ would be a win to such entities because they FEAR what those entities would do to them. That is a misguided thinking making them to be controlled by a misguided emotion (i.e. fear). If I say to them that their act of not standing for me due to the emotion they were controlled by and hence I lost everything near and dear to me, witnessed the most horrific living conditions and seriously doubted their worthiness as fellow citizens; they may say “sorry, we didn’t know what we were thinking”! after it is too late. The Eritrean dilemma is not lack of brilliant minds or good hearts. It is rather the way their emotions are controlled to the point of total paralysis.

            Such situation can only be broken by inspiring people to listen to what their heart tells them and not the fear or other euphoric emotions that they are controlled by. Look at the reaction of people to small act of kindness above. Now, please show me anything that an organized opposition or PFDJ announced to illicit such spontaneous good will. Every Eritrean knows the horrendous conditions befalling our people, but many are controlled by misguided thinking induced emotions and hence are not doing what a normal brother, sister, fellow citizen is supposed to do. We call that silent majoritism. 🙂

            Your point of not harnessing them to create action plans is exactly the call of the hearts and minds framework strategy. It is because we are not harnessing them that it has become a topical issue of discussion. But the key distinction here is that the heart: regrets, longings, passions, interdependence, mutual support… becomes the lead actor and not the CIA, Ethiopia, Muslims, Christians, Hamasien , Seraye, Akele, Kunama, Afar, Assab, woyane …type misguided thinking that would paralyze us into immoral silence.

            So, you see saay, we are both saying the same thing, we just need to fear each other less:-)

            Cheers

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            From Alice In Wonderland

            “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
            “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
            “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – – that’s all.”

            I think when you speak of the mind, you mean the brain and when you speak of the heart you mean the mind. But let’s proceed…

            But let’s go to the PFDJ supporters first. They think the PFDJ is doing phenomenally DESPITE all the forces arrayed against it (CIA, Imperialists, etc, etc.) and if these forces would just leave it alone, Eritrea would be an example to the world (which is what terrifies the CIA, imperialists, etc.)

            I begin with them because if one is in THAT frame of mind, then all the other emotions/feelings associated with that belief–fear, anxiety, anger, rage–are considered a natural reaction and, indeed, according to Charles Darwin, necessary for survival. And if there is one thing that the PFDJ has sold it is apres moi le deluge Whether the PFDJ leaders actually believe this or are being cynical about it is open to question, but I don’t think there is much doubt (is there?) that the rank-and-file (“koboro junkies”) actually believe this as an article of faith.

            So is that the heart or the mind? It is neither: it is the brain. That is: it is the hardware and not the software. The brain has been studied and until those with actual training step it (I am talking to you Tzigereda), let me mention common knowledge: the brain has a emotional cortex and some of our emotions, particularly those housed in our limbic brain, the primitive thing that we have little control over, is what the advertisers go for when they want to manipulate us. You can show me 15 dictionaries and 20 videos that not all snakes are poisonous or that a scorpion is a cute little creature, but my heart will race when I see them. On the other hand, you can show me reels of films of people who fall off horses and sustain permanent injuries and I will continue to think they are majestic animals.

            The only thing that can control the brain is the mind. Thus, mind over matter. The mind can be trained to feel no pain (firewalkers) and to endure hardship and to be brave.

            What is the heart good for? It depends what you mean by it Hailat. Idioms like “have a heart” simply mean: be kind, be compassionate, be forgiving. A PFDJ supporter can be very kind, very compassionate, very giving just like an opposition can be very crude, gross and unforgiving. These are human qualities that fit a natural bell curve that no ideology, no religion, no age group, no gender has control over. It is admirable to be compassionate and forgiving and kind, but that doesn’t materially change what one chooses to believe in.

            So, the priority is not having a movement full of compassionate, forgiving and kind people–although that would be nice if one is attracted towards nurturing professions (teacher, nurse, MD, human rights agitator.) The priority for our movement is having people who can exercise good judgement, who have the requisite skill-sets (to lead, to organize) who know how to prioritize, who know how to be an SOB when duty calls. We are going to have our own intelligence services, recon. And our own wedi kassa. And the last thing I want from our wedi kassa is kindness and compassion:)

            saay

          • haileTG

            Haha saay,

            I would definitely and sincerely admit to this response as being one of (if not the only) masterfully executed intellectual dishonesty* in debating…(really a good one!). Although, to a relatively seasoned and hardened debtor [such as this guy here..haha], you risk exposing your position to many weak points that I would consider a wind fall and make a meal out of:), the way you crammed in too many techniques at a speed, would leave a novice debater scratching his/her head:-)

            saay, you really can’t re-define my terms as “you mean such by such…” That is intellectually dishonest way of appropriating my definitions to suit your arguments. No, I don’t mean brain by mind and I don’t mean mind by heart:) you really can’t re-define your opponent’s terms for them (btsfrna..remember:)

            Even, having re-defined Mind to be brain in the earlier paragraph, you then go on to explain as the brain as being neither the heart nor the mind further down! You then went to put all of what we are referencing in the debate in one bag and dismiss them! That is very convenient, it makes dealing with it all the more easier:)

            You claim supporters as believing the regime doing phenomenal… “despite” — you then say that they believe so on the condition that “it is left alone”! Do they or don’t they?

            From Alice, to Darwin, even Tzigereda was not spared:-) to prove what? I think Eritrean heart is distraught by the current tragedies, I think Eritreans feel for their fellow brothers and sisters. But (a big but) they are held hostage to their emotions (either fear of unknown or fear of loss of privileges). We have a culture, one that is good enough to tell us to mourn our dead. That is hushed and overlooked for fear of ????? Eritreans would wish their brothers and sisters not to die and forgotten about. Only animals do that. But this is bad times. And by inspiring people to help one another by taking initiatives at organizational level, doesn’t make you look a big blouse. The world’s super power does that. They mourned 9/11. They still have enough muscle to take on and demolish anyone that threatens them too. Your framing of the heart and mind concept in the context of weakness is another intellectual dishonesty. That is actually strength, dignity and self respect.

            Your response failed to address one single aspect. If you think mind over matter, then that is understandable but that is what has been happening so far. Let’s have heart over matter and you’ll see the instant change.

            እንተ እታ ጉዳይ ግን፡ ዘሚትካያ ኢኻ ዘሎኻ። ሃየ ከም ብሓድሽ ቅንዕ ኢልካ መልሽ እምበር፡ intellectual dishonesty ኣጽዒክካ’ሎኻ ሳልሕ ዓርከይ ፡-)

            cheers

          • tes

            Dear haile TG,

            I think you are becoming weaker on your arguments. saay7 has a capacity to destroy any idea if it it framed politically. I am reading his very weak points and I am nagging my head saying “why haile TG is not able to figure them out.

            One point for example: saay7 wrote, “And the last thing I want from our wedi kassa is kindness and compassion”.

            Nooooooooo, no. saay7 here is trying to tell us the almighty of this man. I understand that wedi kassa has almost acquired a power that can be labeled as that of almighty but we have to go beyond and ask, “what made him to have such huge power?” This is what saay7 is shame to describe it. It is like personal cult.

            Dear haile TG, according to my undestanding, your “heart-mind framework” is trying to figure how we think and then how we can take the positive and energetic thinking to advance our cause. You can correct me but it is not about being kind and compassionate. Rather, it is much higher to formulate our thinking process towards our current condition.

            Warning: saay7 will hijack your idea and will dump it into his philosophy of “one man cause and effect relationship”. Come back and entertain saay7 lines carefully. Don’t be a white cloud.

            tes

          • haileTG

            hey Tes,

            You have my message spot on. And I believe it will energize the people. The wedi kassa of this world ignorant losers I don’t waste time on. Sorry to be blunt, but that is the fact.

            regards

            ps; please fill in when weakness crops up. you know how tiresome this thing can be:-)

          • tes

            Dear haile TG,

            You see, Eritreans are in general kind and compassionate. saay7 has put it clearly by saying, “We are not lacking in empathy and sympathies: we go through heartbreaks with every tragedy.” And I agree with him completely. The only problem is on how we can re-gain our potential to organize?

            Dear haile TG, Eritreans can organize in harmony (ok, not 100 out of 100 and it is natural) and they did it during the 30 years war time. It is because of our quality to come together and work for a common cause that helped to own our land otherwise supposed to be annexed by Ethiopia.

            Today, Eritreans are also regaining their momentum. You can watch again and again the speech delivered by DIA on May 24, 2015. One can easily read the frustration, anxiety and shock he has between his lines of speech. Even when he accused his corrupted comrades, he was not sure about it whether it was right to do so or not. He paused.

            The only minor step we can re-gain is to form organized and strong institutions based on your “heart-mind framework”. Even in this regard, we have already established a strong foundation. What you shared with us about Milano is one.

            tes

          • saay7

            Selamaf Hailat:

            Already? The heart did its thing and poor Emma who had his chair and popcorn and was all set for an intellectual feast gets to see a wrestling match?:) tsk tsk tsk.

            Historically, “winning hearts and minds” is a pacification tactic used by subjugators over their restless colonies. As you know that means that the colonialist should not win over the natives by overwhelming them with force but using intellect (mind) and heart (emotion) to connect with them. What you have introduced is the concept of heart-over-mind. To do that, you have unilaterally re-defined what the mind and the heart are associated with.

            Rather that getting lost in who-does-what (whenever an emotion, generally associated with the heart, is associated with the heart, you say, no, that’s actually the mind) wouldn’t it make our debate flow better if you just identified which emotions, feelings, thoughts are harmful to our cause and which are helpful?

            On the PFDJ rank and file, I was trying to give you an alternative view as to why they believe what they believe and behave the way they behave. Of course, it’s easier to draw a cartoonish image of them as evil, immoral, etc. But I think that’s one of Eritreas problems; as bad as their belief that the opposition are all traitors and non-Eritreans. To repeat: they believe that Eritreas very survival is at stake, that there are powerful enemies are arrayed against Eritrea, that, despite this, the PFDJ is delivering on its mission of improving people’s (aggregate) lives and that it would do even better if it didn’t have powerful enemies arrayed against it. Understanding this mindset is important if we want to use either heart or mind or both if we hope to pry them from PFDJ. If not the true believers at least their fellow travelers.

            I maintain that what the opposition lacks (in our core mission of shortening the life of PFDJ) are not due shortages of the right emotion but all the qualities associated with intellect (leadership, organization, discipline, communication skills, persuasion skills.) We are not lacking in empathy and sympathies: we go through heartbreaks with every tragedy.

            saay

          • tes

            Dear saay7*,

            You wrote, “… despite this, the PFDJ is delivering on its mission of improving people’s (aggregate) lives and that it would do even better if it didn’t have powerful enemies arrayed against it.”.

            I can agree with you if and only if you are just copying and pasting what they say. Else, PFDJ not there to improve Eritrean lives. Their sole mission there is “Nation-First” if that is so, what is the difference between Ethiopian aggressors mission in Eritrea that says, “Eritrea; it is not the people but the land important to us (Ethiopians).” PFDJ is with the same slogan, “Nation First”. As far as this mission is not reversed to “People-First”, we can not witness any improvements on Eritrean lives.

            tes

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            Wridwo Emma entay zgebere 🙂

            The topic hasn’t been started to be debated let alone to pronounce it “already”. Of course, it has gotten to well advanced progress with some awatista, we still are talking past each other with others and and we barely touched the surface with others. That is normal, to be expected and no one would hope it to be otherwise.

            You have boxed yourself into non-topics of your own subjects. We could not get the debate off the ground because you insist on “re-defining” my terms and then answering them…humm saay that is called talking to one’s self.

            You went from cardio vascular, to a brain surgery, from Darwin to Alice in Wonderland, to disprove your own premise that “Eritrea’s main problem is our being captive of raging emotion”. You still haven’t touched the topic as it is presented.

            In today’s Eritrea, it is sooo laughable to argue the nation goes through heartbreaks. No saay it doesn’t. For a world record breaking tragedies that our youth are going through, for an entire generation on the move, for unheard of miseries that has been put to public domain about mine, yours and every Eritrean’s brother, sister, mother, father… we are a heartless nation. We are forced into that position. You can’t even differentiate your [Eritrean context] case from US republican/democrat politics or some obscure physiological processes fro the dire situation of Eritrea and what it means to be Eritrean today.

            Saay, when you get back to soberly look at the issue necessitating this, then we can debate it. Your too obvious ….hummm what oh… which heart…hmm emotion..nahhh may be brain…oh I don’t know, hmmm may be Alice or try Darwin…hmmmm may be you mean this…this…no? Has not gained traction to roll on the debating table.

            Eritrean minds are not where their hearts are. Simple and easy. Let’s not run around colonialism, medicine or psychology. We lost our heart and are worshiping our minds. If you say we are responding adequately and the opposition organization is not expected to do more as it is doing enough, then say so. I know loose cannon is a major condition among our people. Please don’t encourage it by feeding them hyperbole. Many may just wallow in sweet nothings, living the essence aside. Try to help focusing them into the subject rather than introducing your own terms and definitions and hold that up as mine. I expect you quote what I said ad refute it directly. Eritrea’s problem is a moral problem and we need to make that the center ground of the focus of the opposition’s strategy. How? It will need the talents you describe but right now the focus isn’t there.

            We can re-start the debate at any time, should you wish to, except No foul plays allowed 🙂 No wrestling here at all, I am trying to set the mic with you hade hade hade….aloka do?

            cheers

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hailat,

            In a nutshell here are the Reality and the problem we are in as I noted from your comment.

            “For a world record breaking tragedies that our youth are going through, for an entire generation on the move, for unheard of miseries that has been put to public domain…” (reality)

            “Eritrea’s problem is a moral problem and we need to make that the center ground of the focus of the opposition’s strategy”. (our problem)

            I can’t agree more brother.

            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kubur Saay Hawey,

            I always take the back seat when the heavy weight of “intellectual minds” are on stage, to learn the discourse of our political debate. When politics and science come to the forefront, I might have room to share my view. Second I saw a trend in the debate (especially by you) the classical argument of Materialists and idealists arguments of the enlightenment era, which I love to do it. But it won’t serve for the current struggle. So is my reservation not to be part of it. The concept of “mind and heart” is some how sent its message “real message” without the “abstract academic flavor” in a way the general public could decipher it. The intent of Haile-TG was to curve the mindless and heartless socio-politico discourse of Eritrean politics. I believe he has made some dent to it. Other than that I will reserve my comment for due time.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hi Emma:

            I think some of you may have to join the tributaries a little earlier than planned. In my experience, it’s hard to define a problem much less find a solution using idioms particularly if the idioms mean different things in different context. In Eritrea, lbi (heart) is associated with wisdom and seriousness. (Libona zelewo zereba, ny lbu seriHu, for example.) In the U.S., the heart is associated with something different (follow your heart, heart-breaking, have a heart.) So I will seek clarity from Haile TG first, but every time I do, he seems on the verge of explosion and close to calling me out for a head-butting and I want to keep a cool head:)

            saay

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            Say simeleketew stazebew wuye
            Lekas lib yelewum tilqu sewuye
            Egrun eko aydelem yansheratetew
            Libebis libun new Telfo yeTalew
            Beshertete bizat meqemechaw qeltoal
            Degfuna aqumut yih sewuye fertoal.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Say7,

            እዋእ– መቸም ስምዒታት ብዝምልከት ኩሎም ተመሳሳሊ ትርጉምን ኣጠቃቅማን ቛንቛ እዩ ዘለዎም :: – እዚ ዛንታት ኩሊተይ ተንኪፉኒ – ዝበለ ኣይሰማዕናን ::

          • tes

            Dear Saay7,

            I think the heart control our good judgements. Before dealing deeply into the subject matter, I would like to differentiate the heart, mind and the brain.

            1. Brain

            2. Mind

            3. Heart

            1. Brain is simply a machine. It is there, whether we use it or not. It is like a hardware.

            2. Mind: is the software. It helps the brain to process things.

            3. The heart: Is the source of energy and the energy is carried through blood.

            Now, lets combine them together. Without brain, the mind is meaningless. Both can exist together without doing their function. It is like a shutdown computer. Unless the heart supplies them energy their presence is as if you have a computer on a table turned off. To turn it ON, the heart must be able to pump energy.

            In reply to haile TG, you wrote, “…we all know the heart is just a cardiovascular blood pumping machine whereas the mind requires literally a brain surgeon to understand how it works…” Yes we know but what if we don’t have it? The blood pumped is the energy career.

            When someone says cool down, it is meant to slow down the rate at which blood is pumped from the heart. The amount of blood charged has a direct impact on the amount of energy the brain receives and thereby the process of thinking.

            In short; heart is the power house of our body, the generator. This generator can run its duty like steam engine, which you need lots of inputs at first. It can be like hydro-power, it can be like electric power, solar, wind or of nuclear type; The good thing is, the heart is compatible with all forms.

            One missing link that one may think is, how does the heart reacts to different sources of energy? Well, the answer is simple, as far as the power house plant, our body is alive, our heart is alive.

            Another question that may arise is that, how then the heart controls the mind? Well, the heart has first and foremost is the there, just like that of an electric socket. Once the brain is switched ON, energy consumption depends on the amount of things to be processed. And the amount to be processed depends on the quality of the software, the mind.

            Therefore, the heart-mind framework is trying to combine the power plant and the software. The brain, the hardware is there. It is almost the same in its size to all humanity and hence is regarded as a constant. But, human mind differs greatly. The heart could have been treated as a constant body organ though it can not be as it is there to fulfill directly or indirectly the energy demanded by the mind.

            tes

          • Mizaan1

            Hailat, an acquaintance of mine just came back from a visit to Eritrea. I need not tell you that he is a supporter of the regime for reasons I will defer from sharing for now.

            I asked him how the running water problem in Asmara is at this time. He said, he was staying in Sembel and he didn’t have running water problems and said he was even showering every day. Go figure.

          • Mizaan1

            Saay, you correctly made this statement:

            “Now then. Can the PFDJ articulate its mission? Yes. What is it? To improve Eritreans (in the aggregate, not the individual citizen but the “social citizen”) quality of life.”

            That is where the formula went wrong. Every individual has a different set of interests, affinities, natural abilities, etc. Empowering the individual is the best formula for progress and prosperity. Eritreans were prevented from exercising their freedom and realizing their potential. That is where everything went wrong. You mention companies a lot in your comments. Every company I have worked at or I know about have people specialize in one single thing and that individual becomes the best at that specific task in the business. This hampered me in some sense because I was taught I should know something about everything without being particularly good at anything. Individualism and specificity is the way forward. I sense that you agree with PFDJ’s charter but that is incongruent with your libertarian ideals.

            I understand HaileTG’s argument about the heart and mind but I am not completely clear yet with it but if this example fits perfectly in his argument then I am with him. Everybody knows the legitimate Eritrean Tewahdo patriarch has been detained inexplicably and that it is very wrong. But a huge proportion of the Tewahdo believers have yet to even utter a word about how wrong that is let alone demand his release. That is the dilemma the way I see it.

            In any case, although I sympathize with HaileTG’s argument for bringing about the needed change, for nation building (after the change) in the end, it is the individuals excelling in their specific areas that can bring about prosperity, progress, peace, and justice rather than all collectively having a heart pumping in perfect harmony. Hade libi hade hizbi of the PFDJ will never work for nation building.

          • haileTG

            Dear Mizaan,

            No one would ever dream of hearts pumping in perfect harmony. All Tewahdo (most) feel bad about the head of the church, but their mind is telling them that it is either Assab for Ethiopia (or the whole Eritrea) or no head of the church. They can’t have it both is what their mind telling them. That is the crux of the matter. That is why hundreds are lost in a month and it is business as usual.

            Rgards

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            I know you are so kind, compassionate and easy to be drifted, just like that of a white cloud. Your heart is so weak and at the same time kind and compassionate. I would like to tell you, there exists, “energtic, kind and compassionate mind”. Try to figure out that.

            To my dissappointment, I read from your lines saying, “..although I sympathize with HaileTG’s argument for bringing about the needed change,…” Dear Mizaan1, haile TG is serious on ideas, he is not begging in the street. We can either reject it or accept it. Accepting does not mean endorsing everyword, but at least we can take it as a flashing idea and enrich it. Sympathizing is weakness.

            As I can read it repeatedly, your weakness is originated from not being able make definitive decisions. You prefer to stay on the edges. I understand such qualities are good for harmony but WHEN? is an important question to be asked. We Eritreans need a strong stand in our way of thinking. Only after we can either win or loss.

            tes

          • Mizaan1

            Tes, thank you for your candid reply. Honestly, I do not quite know if I am correctly understanding HaileTG but since I do no have any doubt about the strength and quality of his ideas, I endorsed his mind heart analysis from day one. There is however a danger with absolute certitude about politics and social issues. As you know this is not an exact science as in physics.

            The only reason why I qualified my statement there with ‘although’ is simply because I like this idea now but can it be extended for normal nation building process?

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1*,

            In Tighrigna, we have a wise saying, ናብ ልብኻ/ኺ/ኹም/ኽን ተመለስ/ሲ/ሱ/ሳ: ህድእ ኢልካ/ኪ/ኩም/ክን ድማ ሕሰቡ/ቢ/ቡ/ባ። This is a simple “heart-and-mind” framework. haile TG is not coming with new terms but with new approach that was missed for long time in order to strength our political discourses.

            Therefore, indeed it can be extended. But as I said in one of my earlier comments, the “heart-and-mind” framework is the basic foundation we need to establish and live with it. Within this foundation we need to develop institutional thinking simultaneously. Only then we nurture a harmonious political and social environment. Economy will come as a natural growth process by efault if the former two start to get established

            tes

            * Since I happy for your recent emanicipation from the YG’s camp, here is some quotes from Desideraa I share with you.

            “Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love – for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you from misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.”

            source: http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2496916-desiderata

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Saay & Haile-TG,

            Good argument both sides, let it flow like a running stream. Stand both of you as the “core of argument” from both sides. And we as a tributaries will add something to the main stream until one side dried up of substantive idea to keep up his argument alive. I like this subject it will be a rewarding that finally we will see the cooperation of the mind and the heart to save the Eritrean people.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Sal:
          Some times we think there is a solid line defining right and left. If you take the republicans in the USA, some times I wonder how does McCann became a member of a party that Sara Palin belongs to, you know the different colours and shades of political spectrum. The right want to pay “zero” tax and then go around and contribute to charity to reduce their tax to a negative digit and leaving the invisible hands to take care of the needy. And then the charitable donations will be squandered in administration fees, having a dismal effect on lifting the most unfortunate.
          The left want to be generous but with the money of those who worked hard to earn it and taxing them to the stone age. I know the world “liberal’ is synonomous with communism in the USA the social democrats in most of Western Europe have struck a reason balance, lifting the needy when they are down and not merely telling them to fending for themselves, yet holding them accountable and responsible citizens. This is approach is healthy because it also ensures the security of the wealth of the reach, less crimes and even more cleaner streets for the reach too roam and enjoy the hard work of their toil. The Ghedli, Mahmuday and Emma and SGJ correct me, I think wasted time debating this useless left right politics and even supposedly went to war, while the solutions really were somewhere else
          The conservatives, yes give more to charities, but is it really from their heart or mind, I suspect the later and the leftists are generous with other people’s money, but is it from their heart or mind, I think from their heart, and as all things of the heart sometimes you get heart broken and sometimes your break other people’s hearts;-)
          I had lots to say about this but unfortunately someone called my name now as I am lining up for the monthly welfare check 🙂

          • Abi

            Hi Sem and Gentlemen. I’m enjoying the debate . A good one .i call it Haile’s effect.
            I have nothing to contribute here ( as usual) except to recommend a book by Jim Wallis.
            “Why The Right Gets It Wrong And The Left Doesn’t Get It.” 2005.
            A good read.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Saay,

          I knew before hand when I start to comment the way I commented, that you will come up with such argument. The idea is not about small charity, it is about the feeling to your fellow human being and sharing the resouces that nature has given us without being under the control of few human beings. It is about pulling your fellow human being from poverty and destitute. The rich rightist ate not sensitive to the poor and destitute human being. You remember what queen Isabella has said during the French revolution, “give them a cake” when and upon learning the peasants had no bread. The Royal family had no clue about the starvation of the French people until the revolution explode to remove them., no heart attached to the condition of the people whatsoever. You also know Ramney’s 47% a typical of the rightist insensitive heart. The rightist are detached from the condition of poor Americans. The greedy rightist mind will never be the solution to the poverty in the world except to monopolize the resources and fortunes of the world.

          You see Saay charity is temporary relief, not foundamental solution to poverty. The left always look on the basic solution of human destitute – a fair destribution of wealth and narrowing the gap between the haves and have not. What a noble sensible human instinct could it be if we share their human heart that brings peace and stability to this disturbed world we live in.

          Regards,
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Ah, Emma:

            I fell for your trap, dang it:)

            I try to stay away from left-right discussions because I very readily concede that the overwhelming majority of Eritreans see things the way you do. As a matter of fact, if Isaias wakes up one Sunday morning from his long sleep (Ane dqas bzuH efetu iye) and allows political pluralism in Eritrea and 10 political parties were to mushroom, their political program would not be that much different from that of PFDJ’s stated objective (National Charter.) [This is exactly what happened to our Southern neighbors and the parties had to invent populist issues (Assab!) because, on substance, it is left vs left.] Our oppo all advocate “social justice”, “economic justice”, “land reform” In fact, Emma, can you look at the National Charter and tell me which part of the PFDJ vision you disagree with? Not what PFDJ practices but what it claims to believe in its National Charter.

            Now, about charity. I think you are misrepresenting the views of the Rightists. They are not saying “charity is temporary”, on the contrary, they say it is permanent. But it is something that should be led by civil society and religious organizations and should be completely voluntary and the State’s coercive powers should be completely out of it because the State (unless you create a brutally efficient police state) is not very efficient at delivering services targeted to those who need it.

            Later, Emma.
            saay

          • Semere Andom

            cousin Sal:
            why do you have to drag me to this debate by bringing charters 🙂
            But let me tell you what Emma disagrees with the PFDJ charter before he beats me to it 🙂
            Emma disagrees with the EPLF charter starting from its name, it is called “Hagerawi dimocrasiawi” program. Because the program word is not congruent with our social groups, there are other words they could have used
            Also the charter uses “qutebba” instead “mitane habit” for economics, the first means thrifty and the second means to live within your means, a classic conservative mantra
            Emma also disagrees on the treatments of the newly imported religions like JW, Pentes. PFDJ charter only legalizes the Protestant,s Orthodox and Catholic and Islam in general, it does not ban the Pente version of Islam. As if the legal religions were not exported the two men from the middle east, as if it we created it during our protracted religious self-reliance. This would make Emma a rightist more than he thinks:-)
            I also think Emma disagrees with the said chartered on Education as at least on the one PFDJ came up with in Sahel it has a perverted educational system in mind, favoring more trade oriented, technical training as opposed to intellectually oriented, thought provoking disciplines. Granted the trade and technical and vocational training is crucial for physically building the nation and infrastructure, but nations like Eritrea need to build the mind, and the tormented soul of its people as much as its bridges and roads and the Italian inspired buildings.
            Also on the temporary vs. permanent nature of charity, I think Emma means the charity of the left from the government ought to be temporary when people are down and not to induced dependence the right wants to make it,

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            Emma better not an argument with “hagherawi democraciawy” because it’s a phrase EPLF lifted from his front:) just ask Bereket Mengesteab: when he was with ELF and he was taunting EPLF he sang:

            Hagherawi democraciawy gnbar entay trgumu:
            Terediuna doh bzekya smu?

            Smret
            Ny entay smret
            Ny tebelsti?
            Something something something that rhymes with “ti” 🙂

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,

            All fronts have the same punishment on the people you mentioned.,

          • saay7

            Hey SGJ:

            I know, and that makes my point: programmatically they were the same. Didn’t the ELF also consider some religions “imperialist implants” or was that exclusively EPLF?

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay & Sem,
            .
            Seriously, I don’t have a problem with their “charter” when it remains and becomes only their own charter (as a party platform) in a political contest. But when the “charter” is implanted into the constitution, then hey, it becomes a big problem. Remember brothers, when I asked the good doctor during the constitutional process, as to why do we elect the “president” from the the assembly and not by popular vote, he told me that they have based (a) on the experience of their organization plus (b) the advice they got from some parties in France. Saay you could add also his interview that you brought it to our attention when we debate about the 1997 constitutional document about a year ago. If a charter changed its name into a constitution of the nation, then surely we will install “a hegemonic regime” that dictates other political views. What I know a constitution document is, it is a “social contract” (a) between the people among themselves (b) between the people and the political organizations. Therefore as such, the process should include the existing political organizations (which they should be transformed in to parties during the process) and the general public at large. That is the crux of my argument. Otherwise the charter as a party’s political platform, for me I don’t have a problem with it.

            But for the sake of the on going debate, let us stop this issue here, and it is good for us not to be seen as diversionists. The topic “the mind and the heart” is more important at this juncture than the charter of EPLF.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

  • Shum

    Captivating. This is what a movement looks like, people-oriented. For many Eritreans, the only alternative for Independence Day is whether to boycott your local community party or not. Yet again, it puts you in constant struggle with others. Not just independence, I feel almost everything is disputed amongst us that were long to be thought settled, why we fought, what language to use, our flag, it goes on. Sure, in most politically mature societies, these disputes are par for the course i guess. For us, it’s just one of many things that keep us apart.

    I like this posting because for once, it doesn’t fit into tired old dichotomies that we always feel compelled to demarcate. It’s not giving us a choice between going to some party to show our pride or boycott to show our displeasure of where we are. It’s saying independence was hard fought and won buy those willing to give back to their people, their land and their country. These individuals have shown us a way. Sure, it’s not the only way. But It’s clear that, in all that we support or boycott, it is meaningless if we don’t give back. Who says you have to go to a party for Independence day. In countries like the U.S., Independence Day is just another holiday to get off from work and relax or vacation. At some point in our future, perhaps that’ll be the same for Eritreans. But not now. It’s still raw for us, the sacrifice, the unity of purpose, the achievements, the suffering, the endurance, the feeling of what could be. “Independence, depending on one another!” I like the sound of that. It beckons us to remember what we can achieve together. Happy belated Independence Day!

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Shum,

      Excellent comment that feeds to the concept of the subject matter in our debate. The act of giving and sharing has contextual relationship to politics and economics no matter we want we want to demarcate it.

      Amanuel Hidrat

      • haileTG

        Hello Aman,

        Also, in the current Eritrean political climate, and disparity between the tragedies and the muzzled responses can only be balanced by emboldening the people to overcome the “fear” (an emotion that is controlling them – fear is a mind’s monkey stirred by the regime and other interest groups:)

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Dear Hailat,

    The “Heart and Mind” as a new “perspective-of-conceptual-idea”, in my view, with a little research of literature for logical and scholarly support, should have been written in an essay form rather a one page comment. The relevance of your conceptual approach ” the heart and mind” to our contemporary struggle has given it a new dimension, and if you think a little more to expound it to an essay, it is my firm understanding that it will be a game changer to the passive Eritrean oppositions. Second in the future when you come with such noble idea, please don’t throw it as comment, write it as an article or an essay in order to be archived in the right place where is should be.

    Regards,
    Amanuel Hidrat

    • haileTG

      Dear Aman,

      Firstly, let’s thank the AT for deciding to give the coverage to the touching initiative taken by those young Eritreans. You have made two valid points, namely the fact that the concept Hearts and Minds can potentially play a significant role in activating the conscience of many Eritreans in the diaspora; and your suggestion for me to make my ideas appropriately persuasive and accessible. I will call them points #1 and #2 respectively, as I wish to add on or two points to what you’ve already indicated.

      Point #1

      Yes Emma, you are well justified to judge the concept as a potential game changer. In the business world, investors usually wish to see at the feasibility of a venture before lending support. I believe the organized opposition movements have a wealth of public good will to tap into and huge advantages for owning the initiative, to give this idea the consideration it deserves. To that end, let me share a concrete evidence that validates our proposal. The video above was shared in the social media only about 24hrs ago. In that short space of time, it generated tens of thousands of views, hundreds of shares, likes and out pouring of support! Please view it here: Public Reaction

      Now, that speaks for itself. That single, relatively small act from the heart, has actually revealed to us that there is indeed a way to galvanize the public and lead a popular movement. The proof is there in black and white! No PFDJ hide and seek can thwart that truth. It is bold, sturdy and straight from the heart right into tens of thousands of others. It true that one shouldn’t do it to amass wealth and power to themselves. To fall for that would create a far bigger problem in the end than it would solve. However, it is very justifiable that it can be linked to a political movement that aims to resolve the root problems that are triggering the need, i.e. injustice in this case. That is a valid link there. It is not possible to match the level of success by other means, i.e. only appealing to the mind of a person who has lost control of their heart. It is hearts that embolden and empower other hearts. I am sure the ELF/EPLF had relief branches of their operations and many other initiatives that linked them to people issues (such as land disputes and others). For some reason, the current organized opposition isn’t allowing room for that. Such can only amount to loss of opportunity both ways (the organizations and the people).

      Point #2

      Trust me Aman, I will do my best:) One point is though, if you look at the seamless and unintended collaboration at play here; you find that I shared an idea, activists did something that supports the idea, the AT and social media brought the resources for wide coverage and here we see this concept growing and taking form. I know wedi Hidrat is one of the best minds when it comes to scholarly packaging a concept.:) If you would add that strength to this collaboration, it may be helpful in giving it wider sources and architects 🙂

      Best Regards

      • Fanti Ghana

        Oh Haile TG and Mr. Amnuel,

        I posted this the other day when I was soliciting for ‘opposition 101’ course:
        “I remember Haile TG, telling me the Sudanese gov. won’t allow armed org., but would they or can they be persuaded to allow an Eritrean civilian organization to move freely in the Sudan to aid/help Eritrean refugees?” What this youngsters did in Italy was precisely what I had in mind.

        Now I am sure of my self that something simple, honest, and caring gesture by someone, as evidenced above, can and will go a long way. እዛ እዚኦም ናትና ድዮም ናትና ኣይኮኑን እትበሃል ዘረባ ካብ ሱራ ክትጠፍእ ኣለዋ፤፤

        • AOsman

          Dear Fanti,

          ….., but would they or can they be persuaded to allow an Eritrean civilian organization to move freely in the Sudan to aid/help Eritrean refugees?”

          There are few Eritreans charities supporting refugees in East Sudan, the only problem is that the demand outweighs their meager resource, more charities need to be involved.

          The issue is not a black and white situation as you may perceive it, but while the two governments have some sort of cooperation, charities have to work quietly….selah ilka msrah iyu zedli…. involving the armed group in the task of feeding the poor is a recipe for disaster. The armed group should shoulder the responsibility of resisting the mafia at home and protecting the refugees from human traffickers in Sudan, that will earn them the respect and support.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello AOsman,
            Thank you very much. You just gave me a piece of an info I was hopping to get. I will continue later.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam AOsman,
            .
            AMEN!
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Kim Hanna,

            This was meant as a reply to your question to Adomo 10 days ago, which I saw just now, but I wanted to place it here in case you cannot access replys that are that old.

            Oh! that was you! I remember someone asking about that song almost a year ago, but I couldn’t remember who it was. Funny, but I thought it may be you not because I remembered, but it just had to be you. I am very sure the song you are looking for is “tezeweri makina tezeweriye, shewan asmeran koynu mezaweriye.” Start being nice to memhir Saleh Johar for a while, and once he puts his guard down ask him where it can be found. The song is too old to have survived all the transitions including the fact that it was “politically incorrect” for many years, but you never know.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti Ghana,
            .
            Oh! I don’t believe it. It has to be you too. I think it is that song and I am glad to have a name or words for it now to inquire and pursue it further.
            Yes, it was me that asked Eyob M. a long time ago. I thank you for remembering and let me know about it.
            .
            By the way Fanti, I really don’t know where to lodge my complaint. My musical appreciation antenna is now severely damaged thru no other than prominent Awatistas. What is it with my good friend Eyob and his recommendations of Ethiopian songs to Awatistas. My goodness a week or so ago I listened to this jazzy “Ethiopian” renditions, as he called it. I am still in shock. When did the world pass me by, to this level, in which I am not only old for the occasion but too old to share the common heritage. I tell you I am 99.6% in agreement with Eyob on all issues except the taste for this Ethiopian music aberration.
            .
            The other prominent Awatista, I hate to bring it up here, that affected my dear old Ethiopian songs is Mr. Johar himself. Several months ago he was exchanging views in Tigrinya (which I don’t understand) about music of our area. I don’t exactly know all what he said but I surmised with a little active imagination and now I cannot hear my Ethiopian songs without conjuring up this bad association burned in my brain.
            I could only make out two of his words. Saxophone and Adgi.
            .
            From now on I will NOT listen to any Jebena or any musical invitations from any Awatista except Nitricc and you of course.
            .
            Thank you so much for the info. you made my day (year).
            .
            K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            Kim,
            What a combination! This is the second time you are mixing me with someone else. I never said adgi in the context you are saying I did, let alone adgi and saxophone in one go. But since you bring it up, I think I would rather listen to a donkey braying, I prefer it to the sound of a saxophone.

            I think you were looking an Asmara-Addis Ababa song. Tillahun Gesese’s : asmera-addisababa, shi kilometer neweeeeee, eh…..

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Mr. Saleh Johar,
            .
            Sorry about that.
            Well, as I said I don’t speak Tigrinya. I guess my active imagination produced the result, such as it was. I will be careful so that there is no 3rd time of mixing you up with someone else.
            .
            I know Tilahun Gesesse was not the artist in question. I think I have a beginning point now and I will look for it. In the event I am unsuccessful in my effort, I will be back to do some “dedge meTnat.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Memhir,

            gega yekhla’aley’br I think you may have. I think you were describing what saxophone sounds like to you when you mentioned ‘adgi.’ I remember enough to remember you saying something like saxophone = donkey’s bray or something similar. I think Saay was involved. He may remember.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kim,

            You’re just jealous, because you didn’t come up with those song clips to share with Awatistas first, or you confused my songs with Sal’s awful, awful, awful songs, he shared… 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Eyob Medhane,
            .
            Music and generations for the most part go hand in hand, don’t they? I still believe the best western (American-British) songs were written between 1965-1975. No argument there with me.
            .
            Jealous? Yes, I am jealous of youth.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Hi Kim:

            I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that Eyob has encyclopedic knowledge of Ethiopian music and can generally retrieve within minutes. He is the human shazam*. The bad news is, as you said, he has terrible taste in music. This is so because he is stubbornly old-fashioned and his idea of musical diversity is: music from Gonder, music from Wollo, music from Showa…pan-Ethiopia 🙂 Also he is the youngest grumpy old man I know.

            saay
            * google it, Eyob. It is this thing that you play it a segment of a tune and tells you who the artist is. Never mind, it works for catalogued music. Unless Ethiopian/Eritrean music which is impossible to catalog because there is no naming convention: every other video has “New!” in it 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello KH,

            This is just great. You know I must have known at subconscious level that it was you, because every time I thought about that question, I thought about you.

            That song probably came out following what some Eritreans believed was ‘unity’ and others ‘annexation’ of Eritrea by Ethiopia period of our history. I was very young, but I remember that song very well. The bad
            news is that most Eritreans probably disowned the tape that included that song once the struggle for freedom started, but let’s hope for two things to happen.

            1) Since I have an Everest size faith on SGJ, Saay, and Haile TG being able to find a live Dinosaur if they put their minds to it let’s hope they will.

            2) If the song itself cannot be found let’s hope that somebody will remember the lyrics and tell us.

            3) One of my carefully hidden secrets about me is that I am an avid Kirar player. I have a very busy friend who is a very good saxophone player, and we have been discussing about recording a few classical songs lately. We are both very busy, but we have made too much effort to quit now, so there is a good chance that we will do that in the next few months.

            PS1:
            When I was in Addis two years+ ago, I paid a whole year’s tuition for two weeks worth of masinko lesson at Abyssinia Music School (Sidist Kilo). My instructor was amazed when I successfully played ‘Lomi Biwerewur’ after the first week, and ‘Tigray meArey shita leminye’ at the end of the second week. Surprised by my Tigrawaynet (the second song gave me away), shimagilenet (my colored haired began to show its true color), and Americawinet (no one knew at first, but I had to tell him why only two weeks) we parted with him saying “You are the strangest human being I ever met” and me replying “even if it takes me the rest of my life, I will come back and find you!” We are still keeping in touch. KH, all that background blob is to say I shall continue to remember you!

            PS2:
            Sorry, I cannot talk about Eyoba’s test for music except when in person.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother AOsman,

            The current governments of Eritrea and Sudan may have good enough relationship to discourage an armed Eritrean organization from lurking around in the Sudan, but if there is any chance, apparently you mentioned that there is, for any ‘organized” humanitarian movement to work in all refugee camps it is extremely
            important for everyone who can to get involved. It does not have to be an “opposition” or “supporter” initiated or encouraged movement. It only needs to be Eritreans helping Eritreans in time of need, and nothing more. Once that “heart to heart” is re-established, hope will be restored, those who would like to help will be encouraged, and refugees will have better and accurate information to help them decide what to do with their life.
            Although camping near the borders would be ideal to reduce the travel time and distance for the
            refugees, to make it a little harder for Eritrean troops from periodically coming in and harassing them, these hypothetical safe camps in the Sudan should be established at least 200 miles inside Sudanese territory. However, there should be a skeleton crew on the borders who will receive refugees at the borders to
            provide first aid type necessities and then to transport them to these “safe camps.” I know these are not “original ideas” by any measure, but I am hoping it will encourage some people to have a little focus on what can be done now.

            AOsman, you mentioned that there is an organization trying and helping already. You also mentioned that it doesn’t have enough support to do more. If it is not getting as much support as it should I can only assume that it may be because it is or is perceived as a political organization. If that is the case it is not surprising, but if it is not then it needs everyone’s contribution either by chipping in whatever one can or at least by spreading the news so that everyone knows what is taking place.

            Real life experience:

            When I worked in one of the oldest Eritrean refugee camps called Umgurgur, in the early 1980s, as soon as my 18 person crew got there, you could immediately see the refugee’s worry and uncertainty about their future. One week after we got there and settled, a friend of mine and I were just walking around “town” to have a better understanding of life in Umgurgur, and when we reached the elementary “school” around 5:00 PM, the air was breezy and comfortable, but my intuitive friend noticed that there were no children at the soccer field.
            We sat down at the school’s front entrance thinking and discussing about how to motivate the children to want to play. He came up with the simplest idea at the time which eventually created a chain reaction that brought the village back to life. He reasoned that since the Swedish nurses that were working with us get a shipment of food and other house hold items every month from Sweden why not ask them to ask their families to send us 6 soccer balls, 3 valley balls, a net and a basket ball? Meanwhile, we will collect ash from the village and color the soccer field lines with it. The ash idea was brilliant.
            We caught our Swedish friends just in time for their next shipment, and what we got was much more than we hoped for including pockets of flower seeds with never before seen colors and a net for the soccer goal too. We organized a few able bodies to help us renovate the school, and to surprise the children we dug all the lines perfectly for all the fields and filled them with the ash we had collected, we put up the nets at night, and the next morning it was practically a riot! Many parents came to the school to see what the commotion was about. Just seeing those children that happy gave everyone in the village something to smile about. School officially closed for that day, because none of the children were willing to listen to anyone. Everyone wanted to know who we were and how we did this.
            A month or so later, some of the patients who were suffering with chronic tuberculosis started to show signs of good health. Because our clinic (TB Team) was accepting about half of the patients from the main clinic, the general clinic started to do better on its treatment and attention of the remaining patients. That in turn increased the number of able bodies that can fetch water and do more house hold chores, and in about 6 months, the village looked vibrant a very healthy small town! The moral of this story is to remind some of you that you don’t have to be big to start something wonderful. As AOsman explained, if there are any groups in the Sudan already trying please get involved in whatever way you can.

            Selam

      • farnelo

        ሰላም ሃይለ ዝበለጸ( the great)፡
        I think packaging such noble ideas as an essay might loose the instant penetrative impact factor. My vote goes to keep the ideas flowing in pieces/comments … .

        Great ideas don’t have to be hidden in long and boring articles; when we have the Internet as a platform for communication which gives us unlimited options to reach each other.

    • tes

      Dear Emma,

      I can understand now why you were so conservative in Awate Forum discussions. Man, you are stucked in classical communication system.

      First of all, let me divide today’s communication system.

      1. Classical system: writing articles and delivering hours of lectures.
      2. Modern system. Where ideas or phenomenon are tweeted and come to public attention instantely.

      Which one to follow?

      Discussion:

      Some of the most notable communication platforms we have these days

      Twitter: Do you follow twitter? Just a single line sentence has much more attention and impact than full paragraphs.
      Facebook; Just follow FB and you will see how photo shared will go viral.
      Disquis; Have you followed lively discussions on disquis? Right now, we are using it and it is amazing.

      These tools are affecting our communication style tremendously. They provide us instant information and thousands and millions of readers are following. It is like live but series movie. Simple to communicate and Easy to be reached. This is what we have.

      On this occasion, I would like to remind you this: “Dear Amanuel, we are in 2015. People are looking for short messages that convey a message. Articles are becoming boring to most readers. ”

      Back to haile TG’s work, I will say it for the second time, haile TG is a naturale thinker, very pure. He has the bank of knowledge added with capability to bring his wisdom to our attention. More than that, he is a modern communicator. He lets his ideas flow spontaneously. He is not a man who re-tweets.

      Equally we need people who can write articles. Articles most of the time do not contain new ideas. They rather simplify ideas as they are empowered through literature review and weighing.

      Finally, if we use the classical means of communication with modern way of communication, sure there will be growth. And providing these two means of communication that is making awate.com a lovely and lively page.

      Let people follow their traditional style so that we can be blessed by simplified ideas and let modern communicators bring us fresh and lovely ideas that we can discuss and enrich them out.

      tes

  • tes

    Dear AT,

    I think this video I have recorded during Bologna demonstration can add value to the topic on table. The presenter is one of the three on the cover photo you presented (first from left side)

    https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=ge4MOwtlMvE&video_referrer=watch

    tes