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AlBashir Sticks Out His Tongue At The ICC

AlBashir was not the only one, South Africa also stuck its tongue out at the ICC, so did many African leaders, including dictators who naturally want to see the ICC close shop.

On Saturday, AlBashir had arrived in South Africa to attend the African Union summit; the summit concluded on Monday. The moment he arrived, the local and international media was all smelling blood, they all wanted AlBashir behind bars. At the same time, the wanted man kept a smirk sculpted on his face. He seemed to say, “Come and Get me”. No one did. And it is a mixed feeling for most Africans, not the leaders or governments, but the oppressed people.

The  International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued two arrest warrants against AlBashir, one in 2009 and another in 2010. So far, he has been travelling in the Middle East and Africa without meeting an officer who carries an arrest warrant. He is accused of genocide in Darfur where hundreds of thousands of civilians were massacred.

The ICC began its work after the Rome Statute was enforced on 1 July 2002. Over 120 countries have signed the statute and technically they should obey the ICC orders. It doesn’t seem so.

The ICC has several liaison offices in several Western countries, but almost all its field offices are (or were) in Africa, the unfortunate ghetto that needs a few law enforcement institutions. The court volunteered though it is not welcome in most places. And that is the problem; most African leaders (including dictators) and Pan Africanists agree on that. Is the ICC an entity created to govern the “ungovernable Africa”? Some African critics say it is because its laws are written in black ink as a gesture of goodwill and voluntary paternalism, meant only for Africans. The jury has not yet decided if that is the case.

In 2007, the ICC had a budget of about $100 million which grew to $150 million in 2010. Estimates are that since 2007, the cost of running the court has surpassed the $1 billion mark. Trying AlBashir would have added a few hundred million more to the tab.

In recent history, the ICC has apprehended a few bloody war-criminal-stars, including Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia who died in 2006 while in detention in The Hague; Radovan Karadzic the ex president of Srpska who has been on trial since 2009; General Ratco Mladic, the commander of the Army of Srpska Republic, Bosnia and Herzegovina who is on trial since 2012; and Charles Taylor of Liberia to name a few prominent blocks. The ICC has mainly sentenced war criminals from Serbia and Africa; several criminals are in detention.

Currently, the court’s prosecutor is working on cases in many countries and the numbers are on the increase, though, so far, less than 50 people have been indicted publicly. However, the number of people whose cases the ICC is looking is minimal relative to the noise about the institution. The multi-million outfit spends a lot more in trying criminals than what is spent on helping their victims.

Joseph Konye is a good example. The famous unhinged man who has been wreaking havoc in Uganda and who in indicted by the ICC. No one knows the cost of his indictment and if keeping him in the active court records entails maintenance cost. A Ugandan teacher said, “if they put a reward for his head, probably a few million dollars will bring his end.” But courts do not do that, they wait until someone does it so they can prosecute.

As it is now, the ICC doesn’t have much regard for the sovereignty of other countries; but its all powerful stature scares dictators more than the wrath of their people. And that is the dilemma that Africans face: should they be happy the ICC is giving nightmares to their tormentors, or they should oppose its new-colonialism styled mandate? What would African nations feel When some strangers run their justice system, like others aspects, from far places?

No doubt the justice system in most African nations is corrupt, but would they willingly forfeit their sovereign rights of dispensing justice to the ICC? What would be the weight of the moral and emotional damage to a country when its leader, albeit a hated dictator, is taken away to be tried in another country, by foreigners?

That concern is what led the Libyans to refuse to hand over Saif al-Islam Gaddafi to the ICC; instead, they decided to give him a homegrown trial. In fact, that seems to be the choice of most Africans–to be able to try their abusers themselves.

AlBashir’s Close Neighbor

There is a neighbor of AlBashir who might be walking on the same avenue: Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea. Last week, a UN’s Commission of Inquiry on Eritrea (CoI) issued a 485 page report about its investigation, which contained hundreds of interviews with Eritrean victims and witnesses, as well as foreign government in many countries. The report is damning for the regime that Isaias Afwerki runs like a mafia outfit. An Eritrean lawyer said, “just a small portion of the report is enough to earn Isaias Afwerki and his aides a guest space in the Hague cells.”

Eritreans were not surprised by the CoI report; they knew its content all along. However, their knowledge was bits and pieces that had no shape, and they have not compiled it in the way the CoI did. No doubt Isaias’ crimes are not less than AlBashir’s who is walking with two arrest warrants on his back. Iasaias is walking with thousands of warrants issued by the citizens he has been abused for decades, though they couldn’t enforce them until now. When one day they decide to enforce the warrants on their own, the ICC might not find anything to try.

Most Eritreans wish to have Isaias and his cohorts tried in an Eritrean court, though it can’t be done immediately. The imminent danger is the risk posed by the staying of Isaias and his party in power  any longer. Many Eritreans do not wish to have the ICC do their job for them; they would rather do it themselves. And the ICC’s stand in Africa is not that impressive.

Many African countries have defied the ICC,  including Kenya, Ivory Coast, Uganda, and the AU chairman, President Mugabe of Zimbabwe–even the Ethiopian Prime Minister is quoted as saying “The manner in which the ICC has been operating has left a very bad impression in Africa. It is totally unacceptable.” when he was the AU chairman in 2013. And now, South Africa considers the ICC “no longer useful”.

On Monday evening, Omar AlBashir returned to his country amid jubilation; he was received as a hero who defeated the ICC. A source from Khartoum told awate.com, “even his staunch political enemies were happy he defied the ICC, which is a tool of neo-colonialism.” South Africa spoiled a celebration.

The arrest warrant issued by a South African court was literally not worth the paper in which it was written. Worse, reports indicate that the court ruling barring AlBashir from leaving South Africa and subsequently the arrest warrant came out long after he had already left the country on a flight  that signed off as Sudan 01, the equivalent of Obama’s “USA Air Force 1 that climbed the skies from an Air Force Base near Pretoria”

A source in South Africa told awate.com, “It was like a James Bond operation,  AlBashir’s airplane moved from a civil airport in Johannesburg to a military airport near Pretoria; He slipped through the fence and was cruising in the clouds while Judge Fabricius was still deliberating.”

Should AlBashir have been detained and tried?

Of course he should have. Many others like him should have. But the man has been in power since 1989 when he overthrew the democratically elected government of Saddiq AlMahdi. The West had no problem with that and continued doing business with him for years before George Clooney got angry and publicized the Darfur massacres!

Wouldn’t it be easy for the West (and for victims of dictators) if the West just refused to deal with autocrats who abuse their people? If they did that, the world wouldn’t need ICC or its sisters, which are afterthoughts of the blunder that the West nurtures. And the West reacts when the dictators step on their toes; if dictators watch out for pink toes, they can keep walking over rivers of blood and beds of the skulls of their helpless victims. No one would bother them. Not even ICC.

That is why the ICC is not popular in Africa. Unfortunately, the people and the dictators agree on this one for two diametrically opposite reasons. And that is why AlBashir’s victims cheered him upon arrival in Khartoum as the “Lion of Africa”!

Many Africans we talked to for this report sounded schizophrenic regarding the AlBashir drama; they wish he was apprehended so that his abused people will breathe freely, while at the same time they despise the paternalistic attitude of the ICC. How does one reconcile that?

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  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Michael,
    I didn’t say governing party because the PFDJ is about ruling only. It’s the single ruling party with no contestant. A regime is a system, our is a corrupt system. Some poor souls think it is a movement. Whatever it is the system is a one party corrupt, rotten regime. And it’s called PFDJ.

    • Michael Tesfamariam

      Dear Saleh
      Thanks for your reply. Yes, you didn’t say the “governing party” i didn’t say it either but what i am saying is that when you said the ruling party it still sounds like you are talking about a party in a democratic system in which one with majority rules the country. This is at least from the perspective of viewers other than those who are familiar with this particular regime in Eritrea. When you called it the “ruling party”, the guy from hgdef appeared to disagree with you as well which is quite strange to me.

      • Saleh Johar

        Michael, he thinks it is a movement that is struggling to defeat the USA 🙂

  • tes

    Dear Abi,

    This is how I see Hailesillasie,

    He is simply a war monger and a killer. Point! Had he not intricated Eritrean fate we could have lived in peace now with Ethiopia.

    Concerning me, say what ever you want. I am who I am and I know who I am. An advice, don’t be stupid because someone is stupid.

    tes

    • Abi

      Hi Tes,
      The question was how do you see his role in the fight against colonization in Africa ?
      I guess I have to learn Tigrigna. I didn’t ask if he was a war
      Monger or a killer.

      Your Advice well taken with a glass of wine. As long as you are by my side, I don’t have any excuse to be stupid. However, I feel stupid asking the same question again and again. Lost in translation ?

      • tes

        Dear Abi,

        I think Eritrea is an African country. Or as you want to classify as “Eritrea is an Arab country”.

        If the former is right, so that is how I see the killer, emperor Hailesilassie.

        Hailessilasie contributed nothing to Africa more than he destroyed Africa. Look the complications we have in Somalia. It is not of a different issue.

        For your later point, you are still in my front. I will use all means to let you down with your nostalgic behaviour that sympathises with killers (Derge and Hailessilassie).

        tes

  • dawit

    Dear All
    Algezira debate: The clashes of generations
    Shella; I collected 550 interviews and letters from refugees in neighboring countries and it confirmed widespread of Human right abuses in Eritrea.
    Rahel:, your method is flawed, first acknowledge Eritrean are humans before you speak about human right. You refused to take letters from Eritrean Diasporas
    Shella I checked with my secretary and there was no letter delivered to my office.
    Rahel: I can deliver it to you a copy of the confirmation letter you wrote.
    Shella. Well that was from my other office, you know I have multiple offices AI, ER Rapporteur and ER COI Commissioner. Thanks for Eritrea I can invent Commissions to occupy and pay me for the rest of my life.
    S.J : Shella’s method of finding fact is right method and I support it, Thank you Shella you my vote of confidence. Remember me at your next UN appointment. I also like fat paycheck from U.N.
    Rahel: Are you a refugee, were you in Sinai, were you present in the border conflict why are you here debating?
    S.J. I have my IPhone and I have my Jordan, I have written articles and books and does not surprise me what is in the report. Shella simply compiled those what I wrote over the years, because she has money from U.N. fund.,
    Shella: National Service is the driving force of Eritrean refugees.
    S.J. Yes there is slave labor in Eritrea, the Pyramid was built by slaves and Eritrea is building the ‘Great Wall’ and modern pyramids for future tourist attractions. .
    Rahel: National service is an obligation of a citizen and people are doing it with Pride.
    Filmon: There are reports by Canada, Britain, Denmark and Norway, confirming there is no slave labor in Eritrea
    S.J.The repot also said, the cappuccino in Asmara is good.
    Moderator; There is another UN report Eritrea achieving Health Care and being self sufficient in the horn of Africa!
    S.J. It happened just by magic, no need to give credit for the government because the weather is nice in Eritrea.
    Shella: People travel to Sudan for critical health treatment.
    Rahel: Remember, Remember! Eritrea is a developing nation. (Thinking in her mind that Americans also travel to India to do heart surgery and to Canada to buy cheap drugs).
    Moderator: It seems we are talking about two different countries.
    S.J. I was born, lived in the country before Filmon was born, I fought for it but this was not the Eritrea I dreamt.
    Rahel: I am born in this country, I live and serve in this country, I want an independent and self reliant country, and this is the Eritrea I want.
    Moderator: Let us stop this debate: It makes no sense debating about those countries: one existing in a dream world and the other in the real world.

    • Peace!

      Dear Dawit,

      We have to be honest here with all due respect. There is a differences between defending a government and denying chargess. Filmon and Rahel are not qualified candidates to make a compelling case in terms of denying the charges because they don’t understand the victims’ language.

      The interview was not smooth and off balance perhaps because the gap between the invited guests: imagine Saleh Johar debating with YPFDJ on Eritrean politics. If I were Saleh Johar, I would have declined the invitation.

      Regards

      • dawit

        Dear Peace!

        What do you mean the young YPFDJ “do not understand the victims’ language”. The so called ‘Victims’ are they not their compatriots, who went to Sawa, participated in national defense? In my opinion 60+ year seasoned politicians cannot represent the young Eritreans migrants. YPFDJ came prepared and shined defending their country.

        • Peace!

          Dear Dawitom,

          Don’t you think you have to immerse in that type of life to really understand the feeling of those people interviewed by the commission? Just because someone have lived in the U.S. for years and consider himself as a Black American doesn’t necessary mean he understands the pain and suffering of all Blacks.

          Regards

          • dawit

            Dear Peace!
            The question is if there is ‘Human Right Abuse in Eritrea’. The YPFDG members who served in National Service said there is no. The Commissioner interviewed Eritrean youth who left the country for a variety reasons trying to get asylums, and concluded there is and the main cause is the National Service. Their lives as a refugee is different, non of the participants experienced that. The young Eritreans are saying the report is politically motivated and had nothing to do with the National Service. They pointed the reason why there is the National Service in Eritrea is because of the threat of war imposed on Eritrea by Ethiopia, calling for change of government through violence, which the two participants totally ignored. Why did Algezira, rounded one or two of the 1000s refugee to participate in the interview? In the absence of the refugees their spokespersons reality, one who had not ever step her feet on Eritrea and the other who lived 30-40 years ago are far removed from Eritrean reality. Furthermore both have an ax to grind. The YPFDJ defended their country the best way they could.

          • Abi

            Hi dawit
            Long time no talk.
            I lived in addis most of my life. When most youth in addis and all over ethiopia worry about military service or afesa, I have never , never worried about them. Not even one youth went to military service from my neighborhood . Never participated in derg youth association.
            Dawit, would you believe me if I tell you there was no military service or afesa ( giffa) in ethiopia just because it didn’t affect me ?
            May be you are getting your information from the lucky ones who were protected by some authority.
            I’m sure you remember this saying that describes the situation in derg ethiopia.
            ” yehabtam lij wede Bole , yedeha lij wede Bale.” ( Bole , get way to Europe or USA. Bale military service and afesa camp)
            Just a thought.

          • dawit

            Hi Abi,
            Yes I believe you, it is always like that in Ethiopia. That was why so many poor children were wasted in unwinnable war in Eritrea. I came from poor neighborhood in Addis and I know several who disappeared in that crazy war. There was also a saying (Gala bimot Gala yetekal) around the ruling circle. But abi, Eritrean case is different, even the president’s children went through Sawa and national service. There is difference between yebalabat lij and yetisegna lij in Eritrea. Eritrea and Ethiopia live in different planet when it come for fairness. Can you think any reason why we have the Bademe crisis is allowed to continue after it was decided who owns it? Why is Ethiopia is keeping 300,000 kids wasting their golden time occupying a land that does not belong to their country? Why is Ethiopia free those poor soldiers free and change its double digits development into triple digits? Well you know it Abi, I have told you that long time ago and no need to repeat it.

    • Saleh Johar

      dawit,
      If you fail to be funny, at least you could try to be honest! My mistake, dishonesty is honesty in PFDJland.

      • Semere Andom

        Saleh:
        I hope now your retract your honest opinion that dawit is whatever you described him the other da

        • Saleh Johar

          Semere
          No. Even if he purposely and dishonestly misrepresented me I still will give the benefit of the doubt

      • Michael Tesfamariam

        Hi Saleh
        I did ask you a question hours ago in relation the debate that occurred in Al-Jazeera, but you have not yet responded. It looks like my languages in the comments crossed the line, but not.

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Michael

          Sorry, you shouldn’t expect an instant reply. I am busy and will check your comment later on.

      • dawit

        Dear S.J.
        Ok, I added some spices, you did not like the spice, good. But honestly it was a generational debate. At least Algezira should brought some young Eritreans who oppose the PFDJ and debate with YPFDJ youth. Just the fact that you have IPhone or Jordan sneaker can not slash 20 or 30 years from your age. The whole show was design to publicize Shella’s report, and you were dragged as a remorkio or an escort for Shilla. The YPFDJ kids came prepared, but you showed up unprepared and you did not know how to handle them, you wanted to act as grandfather or godfather. Even though in the past you declared 1991 as the end of an era, you went straight highlighting you resume from the Ghedli era. Was that necessary? When they brought Ethiopian-Eritrean border crisis as the cause of the migration problem and you did not want to handle it you tried to deflect the issue by bringing TPDM in the picture. Frankly S.J. you need to catch-up with the modern Eritrean politics and realities. My suggestion would be to go to Eritrea as journalist and see for yourself and if possible try to secure an interview with PIA. Look Ethiopian review and ESAT did it and I don’t see why AT cannot do it if it can promise to report the truth. I know there may be a risk you could join the G-15, but what is that for a person who gave his life to Eritrea at his prime age joining the ELF.

        • Saleh Johar

          Dawit.
          Why does you comment sound like Girma Asmerom talking to Aster before she believed him and went to Eritrea? Never mind. I trust your assurance I will go to Eritrea and ask to interview Isaias for awate. In the meantime I will see for myself the 2015 brand of Eritrean politics though right and wrong is the same at any era and should be consistent withe values of decent people regardless of generational gap. Also, pls recognize that I have no problem with Eritreans of any generation per se, my problem is with their abusers. And the coo paid kids. How about you interviewing a few victims yourself to learn about the abuses that you deny?

          • dawit

            S.J.
            Then how are you going to resolve the problem of perception when Eritrean youth and Mothers and Grandmother trust PIA and you keep denying the development that took place in the last 20+ years. You had fears about Ethiopia before you went to interview PMZ, you did the interview with him and you were able to clear some of the doubts and perception among few Eritreans. Likewise your interview could any doubt people have PIA, where some think of him as a devil and others as an angel. Now S.J. I have warned you the risk of the gamble, either you will join Aster or you come free with your interview. You can use your US passport to request for entry visa if you don’t have ER ID, and follow the rules and regulation imposed in the country for foreign visitors, same way ER and ESAT did. Now interviewing ‘victims’ as say indicated to me that statistically every Eritrean must have a close relative who went to prison or who left the country. I had an interview with two cousins, they both were imprisoned for violating the rule of not allowing have a religious meeting in private homes. Those two belonged to some kind of Evangelical sect and did not want to join the officially allowed churches in the country. Now the country made a law and you deliberately break it, should I sympathized with my cousins for deliberately breaking the law of the country. Look at this from another angle, there is a traffic law that say every one should drive on the left, for public safety reason. Well I don’t want to follow this I like to drive on the right, why should the government dictate to me which side of the road I should drive. This is free country I must be allowed to drive on the right, because that will guaranty me to go to heaven. So you drive on right and you end up with another car that follows the rule who was driving on the left from the opposite side and have a head-on collusion and both drivers injured. Why did that accident? Because of my stupidity to break the traffic law of the country, can I expect sympathy from any one.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dawit,

            I am sure you know the answer to your self created dilemma. Haile Sellasie had a law: nobody should challenge his rule. Eritreans did. As per your definition they broke the law and you seem to be saying all Dritreans killed, jailed, and exiled by haile selasse deserve what they go because they broke the law! What a logic.

          • Semere Andom

            Saleh:
            Oh, boy. We are in trouble. a few more like these logic, like hese lies, like this heart made of stone will be too much. You know the joke or the quote, Churchill was confronted by a demonstrator who told him that if he was her husband she would put arsenic in his coffee, to which the witty Churchill reportedly replied and if I was your husband I would drink it. I think the thought, the possibility of The Hague is making the PFDJite more demented

          • dawit

            Dear S.J.
            You are twisting the logic. Haile Selassie created a low to rule over Eritrean people. PFDJ rules on proliferation of religious sects in the country is trying to minimize divisions within Eritrean societies. Just like the traffic law designed for public safety, avoid accident on the road. We have witness several religious accidents in our region, between Moslems and Muslims sects, Yemen, Egypt, Christians and Moslems, Syria, Iraq, Northern Ireland in England, Chechnya Russia, Serbia etc. ,

          • Saleh Johar

            No twisting dawit,

            PFDJ’s laws are made to be disobeyed. Just like any occupier. It’s the obligation of citizens to disobey rules that are not legislated by their dully elected representatives. Paternalistic laws are not binding. Any society has a social contract, we do not have a social contract with the PFDJ.

          • dawit

            Oh Saleh, I didn’t know you advocate for anarchy in Eritrea. I thought you were a democrat or a republican, never thought of you as anarchist! Eritreans have social contact signed by their martyrs blood.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dawit, yes I am. But the you have to brand the Eritrean struggle against injustice of the occupation an anarchist struggle. I wear the pin wit honor.

            A struggle against injustice and repression has no democrat or republican classification. Justice seekers are diverse group who come together for a much nobler cause than politica classification.

          • dawit

            Saleh , you keep twisting. No I will not characterize Eritrean people struggle as anarchist struggle, it was a national struggle and still it is a national struggle against internal and foreign enemies, disguised as UN. The UN did not wanted us to exist in 1940s to 1991. Forced to admit our existence in 1991 under EPLF leadership. The UN want to destroy Eritrea ever since we declared our independence in 1993, by igniting wars around us, putting sanctions on us, but we have survived it all under PFDJ leadership. .

  • selam

    Dear saleh johar
    I heartly thank you for your service to your people , i have no words to thank you . Please understand your hard work will not vanish , we will win on our terms when the time comes you have a special place . One advice for you sir: please ask the news channels who are the opposit guests , i was mad the anchor did not give you enough time and also the stupid from asmera who was keep talking in the middle. I feel like the anchor was not fair to you and the shella. All in all you are the voice and only voice for the justice seekers. I hope you find more energy and fight your way out and help all of us get what we aspire .

  • selam

    Dear T.T
    Ok ask what ever questions you have , no one is denying the crime by PFDJ and no one does think people like you are a good angels to bring justice .by the way why are you giving me BBC news products? Do you think i have no access to that ? Just do what you do best and stop being a person of empty jars.

  • Destaa

    Dear Saleh Johar,
    I just watched you on Aljazeera stream program and I am proud of you. Anyone advocating for human rights is my favorite.
    It is unfortunate that we have cadres everywhere trying to deny the reality.
    Respect for you

  • dawit

    TT
    The BBC Trash News Service (TNS),
    BBC-TNS is trying to catch-up news coverage for being mute for 30 years, when Ethiopia conducted genocidal war in Eritrea. Does BBC (TNS) is having shortage of news about sex scandals in their Royal families, after the death of Princes Diana?

  • tes

    Dear Pass the salt,

    When I equate Eritrea with North Korea, all I am referring is the way we are controlled and isolated. North Korea lived for such long time for three reasons:

    1. Geographical location

    2. Support from China and Russia (both were communists and hence they were supporting them in many areas. China is continuing to do it till now

    3. Generations of brainwashed citizens

    Eritrea has small part of point no .3 and the brainwash by PFDJ is only 20_25 years old (one generation. Unlike Eritrean society, many North Koreans do not know what freedom is. (it is now their third generation). people were born under the system and are dying under the system. And thos who are now in their 20s, they will be victims for the next 50 years. For NK, the chance to come-out from where they are is almost impossible. see the link

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKYqtKZ_8eA

    Eritreans: we have a different course. Although PFDJ copied and pasted NKian system, those who fought for FREEDOM know what FREEDOM is and those who became victims of PFDJ are escaping and hence experiencing freedom (remember, 5000 young people are fleeing every month from Eritrea.

    Some of the threats that I read is as follows:

    Wll have a problem to rehabilitate our young people in short time. To confirm, just meet some recent immigrants. They will laugh at you when you talk about politics though they hate PFDJ. They want to dance (Youth in Israel are best examples not all though as the most active justice seekers are also living there bringing a headache to PFDJ). And this is the reason why PFDJ is going after them; he knows them that they are his victims and they need his therapy.

    But, we have a bigger opportunity. We are surrounded by countries like Sudan and Ethiopia where we can escape and experience individual freedom instantly. This is what we are doing now. But those who live in nearby countries will not react in mass as there is FEAR built by PFDJ deep inside and hate of being revolutionary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWwMhe0O8M

    This is my half cent analysis. To talk the anecdotes of this subject matter is my favorite area. I am all to equate Eritrea with NK.

    As per Newtonian Law, I am heavily armed, ideologically, sientifically and philosophically as well as from tehcnicality. Just stay tuned.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-SMs8iyQ8

    As per the mentioned names, Ted is a different breed of PFDJ. Though sometimes he can’t hide his dictation (being a dictator), he knows how to engage in a more deceptive way. But we know his technique by now. He is all an OTTO, just like that of Peace!

    The lady from Asmara, she is just a crap. She has no value at all. She is from the boiled eggs camp.

    tes

    • Pass the salt

      Dear Tes,
      Ok so basically you are saying the isolation and the way citizens are controlled is what makes NK and Eri similar. Afar from that the situation is different where in NK you have generations who are brainwashed and beyond redemption, whereas in Eri only the young is brainwashed and a large number of our population is familiar with freedom. I think you are unto something here. But what about Ghedli? Ghedli has been around for half century and its indoctrination is deep in our society. Today, Ghedli’s unwanted byproducts such as obedience and submissiveness are haunting us bad. That was even before more bad things like corruption and extreme injustice and cruelty were common place. And the longer the current system drags on (and there is no indication change is around the corner), the more and more NK society we become till we reach the no-return zone.
      As for the lady ‘from Asmara’, she will feed us to birds when she gets up and reads our little chat but are you convinced she is in Asmara? I ask a question I asked the other day. Internet cafes do not open at 4 a.m. Hade beleley. There is no home internet service in Eritrea, forget smart phones. So how does one do it?

      • tes

        Dear Pass the salt,

        There is no problem with Ghedli; In fact that was my reference when I say most Eritreans know FREEDOM. Ghedli was all for freedom. Like any other world revolutions we had the same history. For example, if we still praise the war fought for unity to the united states, if we still bless the outcome of WWII, simply because Hitler, Missolini and Japanese hegemony was ended, if we appreciate the war fought to free African countries from cononialism, then that how we did it.

        When we talk about Ghedli, we should differeniate the course:

        1. Liberating Eritrea
        2. Trying to build political correctness

        Despite bitter experiences, we came out with success. We were able to establish a transitional government. Even those hurted (like ELF) accepted the outcome with a reservation on the political correctness.

        Therefore, I don’t root our problems deep into Ghedli as a whole. But yes, as I said, the bad apple, the weed was there. Nothing comes from no where.

        Meanwhile, I would like to put it in this way:

        Ghedli was not a byproduct but a process. If you are missing the meaning of process, product and by product, let me give you these technical definitions (as I said, I am heavily armed with technicality)

        Process: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/process.html In our case: REVOLUTION, Ghedli

        Product: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/product.html – Liberation and Independence- that was the mission of the revolution – was done

        By-product: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/byproduct.html – politics – PFDJ

        By_product usually comes from the process. But it was not the aim of the process. It is there and and can’t be left-out. There is a natural process that dictates the by-product to be as such.

        For example: in Dairy industry, we have milking cows. The objective of keeping these milking cows is for getting milk. But after sometime, the cow reaches at a stage where the yield is law and unable to pay back for the inputs.

        For this then we have two options: To kill it and bury it or sell it for meat. Either are possible solutions. Killing is not humaine and hence we will be forced to sell it. But the price will not be the same as that of beef cattle. And the controlling mechanism will be different. And this is only if there is proper rules that regulate the system.

        The same holds true in our case. The only missing part was: the rule of law. Unfortunately, revolution is a revolution. In the world history, there are very few revolutions who came out with matured rule of law. Even in France, one of the oldest world has experiences as a revolution, they are continuously fighting. Still now, France is in revolution. But the good thing they have is “they have very strong RULE OF LAW”. Because of constant and pressing revolutionary thinking, in France, it is very hard for one president to stay in power for more than one term.

        In Eritrea: No, rule of law started to be observed only after 1987, 2end EPLF unity congress. but soon, independence came without forming a strong based for it. DIA hijacked the rule of law and formulated a political system called PFDJ. hence we are forced to administered under a “BY – PRODUCT” political system.

        Had Eritreans got a chance to be ruled by the main product, that is INDEPENDENCE, our discourse could have been different. Nevertheless, we will regain that and build the nation that we dreamt for.

        As for the lady, I don’t care where she lives. If she said, she is from Asmaara, that is how I would like to address here. Even if she said, she was from Heaven I still could have used that reference. Here ideals will identify here idenity and that is the most important thing for me.

        tes

        For me, PFDJ is a supposed b

        • Abi

          Hi prof Tes
          It seems like you made a radical change about ghedli . About a year ago you told me ghedli doesn’t have its own life . You even said ghedli was brainwashed. If it helps you remember, the discussion was based on your article where you “dismantle ” YG. ( it was based on Dejen).
          Now you are saying ghedli was for freedom. How do you fight for freedom if you are not free yourself ?
          Tes, if you appreciate the fight to free Africa from colonialism, how do you see the role played by the ” stupid”
          King Hailesselassie ?
          Btw, it is ok to have a position change after sometimes. ” we live to learn.”

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            Tes write when he is full and he could careless what he write when he is not full. He is the ego in deep water that can never listen to the actual words of human being. He has a personal problem who doesn’t but we merly stress on such to boil over some people. Let him continue his madness. Madness

          • Abi

            Hi selam
            Are you saying Tes uses his belly instead of his brain when he writes ?
            No wonder he uses some kind of gas when he destroy opponents.
            As a rule, you have to stand by him. Don’t be in front of him . He has Newtonian bomb. Don’t stand behind him. He has dangerous gas (tuss or Tess in French).
            Stand by him !

          • selam

            Dear Abi
            I will stand when ever he put things in order . I would be idiot to think he has this newtonanian law , or other things , look at his comments , he bluff to much with empty things, by the way i hate his dictionary.

          • Peace!

            Abiye,

            Mendnew Tes’n Ayawkutum Eske’ahun? Endie Temari Sew Eskendezih maschenek Tegebi Aymeslengim-;)

            Tena Y’stlegn

          • tes

            Dear Peace!, the OTTOiest,

            How is your hybrid agenda of playful reformism is going on?

            Peace! the OTTOiest

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Did you break your eye glass?

            I don’t know why you are always trying to deflect issues that have never existed, You are an awaful reader, Abi, awaful really.

            Anyway, I will continue to teach you my Newtonian methodology.

            Back to business:

            Most of my views regarding Ethiopia and Ethiopian readers can be read under two articles posted here two months before.

            http://awate.com/absence-of-class-is-filled-by-something-lower/

            http://awate.com/ona-nine-meter-shroud/

            And more under my articles

            But to sum it up, I have this view on former Ethiopian leaders

            “The crimes committed by Hailessilassie and Derge to the people of these two countries is beyond one can imagine. Though not recorded to the extent it should be, we have alive people among us who can witness it
            directly.”

            I count the crimes committed by these brutal leaders as the same I doing with DIA. Therefore, don’t go into your dreams to see Tess fogetting his history.

            Counting every single part of my history, I am all for peace and prosperity. I have good lesson that I learned how EU are creating peace despite their antagonistic relationsip. I believe it is possible also with Ethiopia and Eritrea.

            tes

      • selam

        Dearpass the salt
        You are paranoid by the notion that some one who oppose PFDJ is also rejecting weyane , well take it as a given . Weyane with their leader dead Meles chenawi , seraki, komal is dead. He is a criminal who suffocate 80,000 Eritreans for no reason. I am happy he is dead and i am waiting Gebru asrat death soon. What is that you obcessed with me and where and what time i comment ? You want hung out with the tes the fool from elabereid , who abondend his wife and child who could do nothing about what they do ? Go ahead please advice him to take his family to france where he is drinking wine with white trashes every saturday. Lets do what is right and that is take out our fight from any relationship with meles chenawi cronies. You have no evidence or what so ever see me support any PFDJ so stop making lies over lies or you want to take the place of lairs.

        • Pass the salt

          Hello Selam,
          Answer my question and I promise I won’t talk about your location again.
          My question was and I quote myself, “Internet cafes do not open at 4 a.m. and there is no home internet service in Eritrea, forget smart phones. So how does one do it?”
          Please answer that and we will close the file. Thanks.

          • selam

            Dear pass the salt

            why you care ? How does it help to lose your defense of weyane? Is selam location your business ? What if i am in hawuzen , tessenei, Dallas, belew kelew , Siberia , sao Paulo

            I understood the game but i am trying my best not to entertain losers.

          • Pass the salt

            Wo Selam,
            I guess you don’t get it. Don’t you think it is dishonest and misleading to put ppl under the impression that folks back home live normal, home internet is available, ppl can freely visit opposition websites and can freely write without consequences? And that’s why the location of ‘from Etitrea’ is relevant.
            Btw, I myself is not a fun of the Woyanes, so drop that boring line.

          • sara

            ya- pass the salt
            it seems you forgot or you weren’t around,when we were told by many here … that your nationality
            address is irrelevant, we have only to deal with the a content of the articles and comments etc
            if you start to question, identity,address etc, then it will be an open ended argument where the moderator has to intervene to stop it, otherwise many will start again asking the same of certain commentators who have created sensation at these forum months ago.. so please stop asking…selams where about.
            “it is irrelevant”

        • Abel

          Dear Selam,
          Meles might be physically dead,but his ideals,his vision and policies written in the constitution of FDRE are eternal, they are going to haunt you and the all HIGDEF dogs for the rest of your remaining life.I am not sure if you could outlive Ghebru with the level of frustration,bigot and hatred you suffering though.

  • ‘Gheteb

    Histrionics Abounding: An Enemy Is He Who Tars ( ጸላኢ ጸሎሎ ቀባኢ)

    In the artificiality and affectation saturated Eritrean political cyber theartricalism, here comes ,er, lands, Sheila Keetharuth ,Special Rapporteur on Eritrea, of course, as a member of a troika that comprised the COI (Commission Of Inquiry) with a report about “Eritrea”. Well, “The Eagle (Shilla) has landed” on the Eritrean political landscape with what amounts as nothing more than a “partisan” report about the “Human Rights” situation in Eritrea. One doesn’t know where to start in ventilating ones take and opinions regarding the report the COI has produced, er, manufactured, vis-à-vis “Eritrea”. By “Eritrea”, I mean, nothing but the part, the Lilliputian part, of Eritrea proper that they covered to render an all-encompassing and comprehensive report about Eritrea.

    Well, the COI report, from where I stand, is a politically motived political document under the guise of Human Rights Of Eritreans and well covered under the façade of The UN, has a major political goal which is the delegitimization of the Eritrean body politic, the current Government of Eritrea. I see it as nothing more than the continuation of the undeclared war on Eritrea that commenced and kicked-off in 1998 with the naked Weyane invasion and blessed by its Western patrons. When it failed to achieve its strategic and political goals, the UN sanctions on Eritrea were tried to achieve the desired goals. Now that goal were not achieved through the UN sanctions, here they come with the much hyped, vaunted and touted, COI report on the Human Rights situation in Eritrea. To say that this a politically motivated document is to state the perverse dialectics of the political shenanigans of all the anti-PFDJ/GoE forces, but to state the obvious and to call a spade a spade, at that.

    Never mind the fact that why the UN and its agencies have found only now to be concerned about the Human Rights of Eritreans; never mind the fact that what Ms. Keetharuth’s background as an Amnesty International lawyer was; never mind that Amnesty International (AI), not only was expelled from Eritrea, but stand accused of plotting a coup against the State of Eritrea; never mind the fact that the person who nominated Ms. Keetharuth to the UN commissions happens not only to be a partisan anti-GoE element, but has ,reportedly, received to the tune of 80,000 USD from certain USA affiliated agencies didn’t fail to raise the eyebrows of many a sentient Eritreans. I mean, there are a whole slew of issues that point to the fact that this document is thoroughly flawed, be it on the methodologies used to manufacture it. However, its political aim and goal is as limpid and clear to anyone who has no skin the game nor is in the serious business of axes to grind.

    Those who want us to dance to their airy-fairy political tunes, well, as their wont, couldn’t hide their glees and have expressed their schadenfreude in no uncertain terms. Some of them have described the COI report as a turning point in their anti-PFDJ political activism, while others have become the judges, juries and executioners and have rendered their judgments that Isaias Afeworki will be found guilty by the ICC and interned and jailed in the Hague. Well, such reactions are nothing more than an epicaricacy induced suspension of sound judgments and a clear manifestation of the callowness of the political thinking of those who are woolgathering in such kind of political phantasm.

    All the theatrics that the COI has so far produced reminded me a quote I read a while back in my teen years from an EPLF publications called “The Vanguard” (Merih) in which the EPLF had warned the UN and its Security Council to quit playing hockey with the political aspirations of the Eritrean people. The quote that I can still vividly remember was:

    ” ሕቡራት ሃገራት ብዕድል ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ቃርሳ ኣይትጻወቱ” — The UN (Security Council) quit playing political hockey at the expense of the Eritrean peoples political aspirations. Well, some are lamenting lugubriously that some Eritreans are still the victims of Sheabia propaganda and are still unable of extricating and disentangling our minds and thinking from that Shaebia induced mind-set. Well, whether one acknowledges it or not, the fact remains that Shaebia and Shaebia-ism are the warp and woof of Eritrea and Eritreanism. As simple as that, and that is an amply sufficient that I can say ‘in defense of Shaebia’.

    • tes

      Dear propagandista,

      An enermy can be one who can Tars but a killer is a killer. There is no way to compare with an enemy. With your enemy, you can be a friend one day. But with a killer, there is no way.

      Based on history, we say, US is Eritrean’s enemy, Ethiopia, bla bla. Even Israel, Libya, Russia and Cuba were our enemies simply because they aligned with our first enemy, Ethiopia. But then DIA fogot and became the first hand tool of these countries. Even PFDJ is not shame to claim Pushkin’s idenity as Eritrea simply because he thought that it can help him to make diplomatic relationship.

      Killer is a killer. Look Hitler, he was a killer without mercy.

      Look Edi_Amin dad, he is a killer

      Look Charles Thailor: he is a killer

      Look Al-Bashir: he is a killer

      Look DIA, he is a killer

      and so on

      If you call, an enemy is he who Tars,

      A killer is He who Buries.

      Worse, PFDJ your junta) has both characters in ONE:

      PFDJ tars Eritreans who are living in the diaspora and kills to those who are living in Eritrea.

      Stop therefore trying to be lingue master, talk with your HEART first.

      tes

      * and ** I used them because there is no permanent official rank in curret PFDJ Eritrea.

    • Semere Andom

      Adeo Iniuriam Porrectus:
      Hi Awatista:
      He came swinging at the Ethiopians by swearing at the altar of EPLF that he will never debate Ethiopians, he came with his sewrawi stick at the prominent critics of EPLF, Hayat Adam, first by truncating her name to HA, not for brevity but in disrespect, but our fearless Hayat would not relent refused to stooped to his level and finally, like true IA worshiper when the going got tough, when her logic defeated his, he relented and he debated her, making his smarmy Isaiaque bravado, all hot air. His verbosity wowed, many and we called him the devil’s advocate, a serious justice lover and he was playing the devil we do not know to protect us from the group think that is inherit in the fallible humans specie. As he pushed the envelope to assault the group think, many of us believed that his kind of thinking was healthy so we all can put our brain cells to work, to find solution to our problems, solutions that lurk deep inside every one of us.
      He blamed all our problems on Ethiopia, a country that has only 0.001% presence in Eritrea and denied every issue the justice demanders here raised. He canonized every PFDJ action. Yet he remained dead cold on the crimes of PFDJ, as the Arabs say, “ena alskutta alamet alridda”, silence is a sign of agreement. When challenged to write for once against PFDJ, he dishonestly replied, that field is represented by others who are doing a good job on attacking PFDJ day in and day out.

      When he was called to his racist comments against Tigray he attacked Ghezae, calling him names, unflattering names.

      He vowed to go to court if he has to when he claimed that he is not Habesha.
      In what looks like a finale of his knighted to be crowned the mentor of the YPFDJ, he disrespected the 700 Eritreans who gave their testimonies to make that report, the report that shocked the world. I know, I know he attacked Sheila, he reached to his vast diction reservoir and he punned and called her Shilla, but do not be fooled, the target is not Sheilla, the target of the cheap attack are the 700 victims. He quoted “Merih”, a quote he burned in the deepest recesses of hi brain by probably reading it as a bed time story to himself during his teenage years.

      But, do not be surprised, this is the implement of PFDJ, corrupting Eritreans with brains to write absurdities and lies, the professor of journalism has done it, a student of Fermat has done it. So brother Mizaan do not be surprised about brains, lots of thing in this universe have brains, robots have brains and according to Mike Polanyi ,in his book, The Botany of Desire that plants manipulate us as much as we do, meaning they have brains. So this piece that victimized the victims by its coldness has proved that our prolific writer, our golden boy who has so much promise for greatness lacks the heart, not the one that pumps blood, but the proverbial one that graces our Tigrinya lexicon, “lbi”
      Oh, before I forget “sacerdos Emma sunt legentes?”

      • ‘Gheteb

        Cuz Semere Andom, (SA)

        You see you have not gotten me miffed enough to disown you yet, but I know just by reading your riposte I can tell that you are in high dudgeon.I hope you have not hit the roof. Well, chill my Cuz Semere. The first thing that you should have known is that the way I see issues vis-à-vis Eritrea is NOT the same as Semere Andom’s perspectives. That you should remember every time you get the urges to bloviate about my takes or exchanges that you don’t seem to get right, wittingly or unwittingly.

        Then, remember that all my exchanges be it with the one that you regard as a high priest or priestess, HA, or the Ethiopians, the Tigrayans and others who have been masquerading as “Justice Seekers” when they are “Self-Seekers”, or being a Habesha or not are no secrets, but were made in an open forum where the records are publicly accessible.

        The way I dealt with the characters you mentioned or the issues you raised are here in this Forum and anyone can access them. Agree or disagree, I made my positions abundantly clear. If you want to revisit them and render your rebuttals, you are more than welcome. But what you are doing here is a mere attack, and an unwarranted one at that.

        There is ONE thing that you have crossed a red line and I am here reminding you that you can’t be more wrong and I am asking you to either correct what you have alleged or you have to produce the exact quote the “racist comments against Tigray” that you are alleging that I have made.
        Another thing that you should know is the fact that I am not in the “political activism business” where I see the cynical manipulation of extracting political brownie points by shedding crocodile tears about the “Eritrean Migrants” who have left their home country. I mean, I don’t try to score some political points against my political opponents by exploiting the misery of these unfortunate souls. Nor do I make my livelihood by peddling their stories and becoming the middleman or the ‘middlewoman’ to those forces who are in the fishing expedition of finding anything and everything they can use in their anti-Eritrean agendas. Simply, I don’t. Conflating humanitarian issues with political activism is the sole province of those who purport to be in the political fight against the PFDJ and not me.
        Apropos “the 700 Eritreans who gave their testimonies”, you are claiming that I am disrespecting them? I haven’t seen them give those testimonies and I have no way of verifying the veracities of their claims. You can believe whatever you want, but to accuse that I am disrespecting them because I didn’t buy what is claimed out of sheer faith and belief is simply mindboggling.
        What kind of pathetic syllogism is that anyways? Do you want me to believe that outlandishly outre claim that “one is even afraid to even think because the PFDJ may read what one is thinking about”. I mean the PFDJ or the GoE can telepathically read other peoples mind. I think that is simply NUTS.
        I take the kind prospective Eritrean immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers renditions and narration with a ton of salt and a heavy dose of skepticism. Not just now when Sheilla and Co. have assiduously fished in the troubled Red Sea, but even when I was a student at University Of Khartoum where I knew this Eritrean student who worked as an interpreter for the UNHCR. I heard it all the stories and narrations they used to tell to the US/Canadian immigration officials during their interviews.
        So, it is not like I just woke up one day and made my assertions. No, I have my reasons not to buy every sob stories that are peddled to score political points using emotional appeals. I doesn’t work on me. If that makes me that I am bereft of yours and your cohorts “proverbial Lbi”, then I say, so be it.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Cuz G:
          Yes, you are correct. Please read it as when Ghezae “accused” him of racism instead of “called” I meant to say. Thanks for pointing out that red line. My apologies for miss speaking in that regard
          The rest, later, maybe
          SA

      • Gonbel

        Selam Semere,
        There is enough material to argue against Gheteb’s take on the COI. This is not one of them: “When he was called to his racist comments against Tigray he attacked Ghezae, calling him names, unflattering names.” You have it the other way around. To his credit, Ghezae apologized! Your take no prisoners approach is alarming to say the least.

    • Abel

      Dear Ghetsab,

      “in 1998 with the naked Weyane invasion and blessed by its Western patrons. ”

      Have some decency, sometimes it’s kind an insult to the readers,this is not ERI TV,,At lease you should have known that everyone has access to the now void and null EEBC decision and Rewanda and US report,It clearly found Eritrea guilty of invading sovereign Ethiopian territory..I know your new religion is blaming the whole world be it, the UN , AU, EU…Lies and childish fabrications doesn’t convince any one in this www age,it is time to grow up and take charge of your own …

      • selam

        Dear abel
        Two opposite lines in your comment .is that the new strategy of Ghebru Asrat school ?

        • Abel

          Dear Selam,
          It depends how you read them and want to interpret it.My answer was clear;
          A- Eritrea was found guilty of invading sovereign Ethiopian territory.
          B-The EEBC decision is no more valid. EEBC was an arbitration not international court,if it is not acceptable by both parties it is not enforceable.
          What is the contradiction you want to address?

          • Peace!

            Dear Abel,

            Correct me if I am wrong. You said “EEBC decision is no more valid.” Why would you use invalid decision to make a valid case? Don’t you think that also makes your case invalid?

            Regards

          • Abel

            Dear Peace,
            The Algiers treaty called for the establishment of two neutral commissions: the Boundary Commission(EEBC), and the Claims Commission.*
            *EEBC decision was an arbitration, i.e.unlike court order, it has to be acceptable to both parties, one side can not enforce it. It may still be validated if only both parties are willing to abide by it.
            Besides, Eritrea was the first to violate it by invading the demilitarized zone with an estimated 4000 troops and further 120,000 along its side of the border contrary to the agreement.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Gheteb I thought you were better than this piece of naked propaganda. Please leave this to the likes of TS & eri tv. They are better at it. Please come up with more challenging piece.

    • sara

      Dear gheteb
      this is from/of “130” , i remember even there and then no one used to be comfortable with its presence.
      Ramadan kareem!

    • haileTG

      Dear Gheteb,

      Amnesty intl. is an organization working in the area of human rights, therefore complementary to the work of other human rights advocates and investigators. The Canadian Mining company’s window dressing of the slavery that took place in the early construction of the mine facility and calling Eritrea peaceful and the rest is partisan, with REAL conflict of interest. The despicable regime of IA can’t declare one group enemy and then invalidate their contribution to the advancement of the cause of justice. Incidentally we’re told Eritrean victim’s themselves are people with an ax to grind, all HR organizations are said partisan, the regime doesn’t want to allow independent investigation and will only do it as the world brings more pressure to bare (preferably the indictment of some leadership and, army and security spheres). Notwithstanding Now, who would be innocent investigator for the regime? Perhaps gunbot 7, and its old Somali terror network friends? Amnesty is is a complementary and part and parcel of all the justice struggle and there is nothing partisan about them. The country needs to be opened to SEMG, COI, Special rapporteur of the UN. That is simple. The regime’s argument’s are preposterous because even when Dejen was locked up for no reason, the very fact that he said his incarceration is unjust became an offense to justify his continued jailing. The fact that Amnesty, HRC or others criticizing the regime becomes reason to reject them, the fact that some one escapes the regime makes them not acceptable witnesses. I think the Tigrinya adage to fit is ገረብ ብሓኽላ. The point is however, just like the regime brings in any terrorist or other entities into the country to continue its wanton acts, the Eritrean people are entitled to bring in anybody to support their cause. Only the delusional regime and its supporters think they are the only Eritreans. Their war this time is against the Eritrean people, and this is why they will eventually lose.

      Regards

      • Semere Andom

        HTG:
        These facts, that you so beautifully articulated are known to Gheteb, I can bet. There are two kinds of PFDJ sanitizers , the imbeciles and the intelligent ones, G belongs to the later, the first murder people because their limited brain cannot differentiate but the later do it for pure pleasure and that is alarming when one day we all share the same land, the potential for the later to wreck havoc makes you remember Hitler’s Germany.
        Remember Nazi was made up of the SS, who were robots and the smart one like Dr.Mengel.

  • tes

    Dear AT,

    If Eritrea is developing, this is how it is looking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbCo46dtki8

    And if Ethiopia is developing, probably the future will be as that of South Korea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5g3JwIyOQ

    The funny thing is, these kids are just boring (as their god, DIA, said. How can they disproof simply based on their own means instead of relying on somebody’s report.

    SGJ; I like your take when you said, “Even the pyramids were built by slaves but now are tourist destinations”. Indeed Eritrea will be a tourist destination and the simple reason is; in this 21thC, people want to experience how slaves can build a nation. This is a great lesson for those who didn’t live in the 18thC and how EU and US built their countries.

    Eritreans, my God, how can we count on developments although as a result of slave labour. In ISO and many international standards, theer are means to do things. Eritrea, theer is no means.

    SHeila, she is so cool lady. She is so humble.

    Those Rahel,, Filmon bla bla, they are just a crap. They both reminded me our awatista, the lady from Asmara. They are useless waste products of PFDJ brainwash.

    The end of PFDJ system soon to be confirmed officially

    tes

  • teweldino

    Hi Selam,

    If we are talking about ironies, try this one:

    How ironic is it some one who claims he/she as Eritrean to defend Eritrean killers and murderers in awate continuously day in day out while dismissing the core fabric of Eritrea? Is it too hard for her or him to not believe or see the crime committed by Isaias , 4 zobawi warlords (murderers), Hagos Kisha(the thief of Eritrean hard earned money) ? How ironic it could be to debate with such people? She/he keep every lie by PFDJ on her/his record book then debate on Eritrean issues as if we did not see. How ironic is it to dismiss facts and bluff a PFDJ propaganda day in day out. Cheap, cheaper, cheapest should be marked as her/his name. Whenever PFDJ leaders are mentioned, please watch out to him/her with idiotic idea to make the killers innocent.

    • selam

      Dear Teweldino
      The person in this room, look at tewelde who said dergi was better, look at your self and fill your empty space with dots of weyane. I can not go back and argue with you, why will i do that. You are loser in a very narrow space .

  • teweldino

    Hi SGJ,

    Well done for defending voiceless Eritreans in your appearance at The Stream – Al Jazeera. I believe Al Jezeera has done disservice to you and Ms Sheila Keetharuth, a renowned African Human Rights advocate for over 25 years, by not inviting someone of your stature. Either the program has some useless researchers or all the cultured PFDJ supporters like Dawit are too embarrassed to defend the regime on a public forum and they have to settle for two YPFDJ imbeciles. The presenter did not look very confident of her knowledge of the subject but you have done great. If anyone wants to watch the program, be warned that it is no “question time”.

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Good evening Saleh, you made us proud tonight. Thank you.
      Dear Teweldino, DIA uses all him connections to Qatar to influence the way Aljezeera reports about Eritrea. Aljezeera should have also invites Ghezae to balance the two sides.
      But kubur saleh did a good job in trying to bring the two immature YPFDJites to focus on main issues. Thank you again Saleh

      • Pass the salt

        Sarah,
        They were balanced alright. Two on each side.
        For me the best part was PIA clip where he said the idea we are in a war siuation was just imagination. It rendered Rahel and Filmon’s all night ‘we are in a war situation’ argument useless.

        • dawit

          pass the salt
          Did they say we are in “No war No peace” situation? As usual quoting someone out of context.to fabricate a story.

    • tes
    • dawit

      Hi teweldino,
      Well the debate was between two energetic young New generation Eritreans defending their dream country and two oldies, one who knows Eritrea based on hearsay or rumors picked from people claiming ‘Eritrean Refugees’, escorted by an old ELF fighter who had dream for an independent Eritrea, a journalist who writes about present Eritrea based on rumors.At the end Rahel beat every one by stating real fact about Eritrea “I have been there, I lived and served there”. How can you beat an eye witness account? How can Shella, talks about the rule of law and respect when she couldn’t even respect a simple rule of the moderator of.the debate? SJ defense against the presence of 300,000 Ethiopian invading army ‘well Eritrea is training 45,000 Ethiopians who are arresting Eritreans’. Really where did he picked that rumor, Asmarino.com or Assena.com. or Awramba Times his reliable sources about Eritrea???…..

      • Pass the salt

        Dawit,
        If you are a fun of real facts, what about the kids with placards ‘where is my dad’, ‘where is my mom’. What about those whose loved ones’ remains were denied entry to Eri for burial? What about those who escaped underground cells, the Dejens, the Semeres…? What about families of the disappeared, the Bitew Abrahas, the Hailes, the Sherifos, the Asters, the Joshuas, the Arons, the Medhanies……?
        Are you sure you want to gamble on eye witness accounts?

        • dawit

          pass the salt,

          Here is the eye witness accounts Where? and Why? answers to their questions. If they follow him he can lead them where they are located.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DKdi1JLHNCY

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear dawit,

            ቶኽሳኺቱ እዚ ድ ኣ ኣበይ ከምዘነበረ ዶ ይፈልጥ ነይሩ ድዩ !!! ኤስያስ ምቸም ኣብዑር ክፈቱ !!

      • selam

        Dear Dawit
        I admire your personality but your affiliation on politics is making me boil due to your hallow defense of PFDJ , please i normally pass your comments because i feel you pee more than the actual water you drink. For your world Eritrea is Greece
        Islands just a turist destination which offer cheap beer with your mother languages disco. Do you really think you are defending Eritrean people , you are actually saying , i dawit choose to silence any Eritrean voice , come on be fair . You know i am evil when it comes to weyane and their leader meles chenawi but i should not go out my way defend the PFDJ a criminal organization who drink human blood and eat human fleshes , why , you do that. Why why why?

        • dawit

          Dear selam,
          Good Morning selam,
          I don’t like to pick a fight here with you, If my support for PFDJ give you headache, sorry take Aspirin. PFDJ is supported not only by me but also millions Eritreans mothers inside and outside the country. Those are Eritreans who sacrificed the most for Eritrean independence. If most Eritrean mothers support PFDJ who am I to oppose their judgment. Please clean your languages when debating, I hate people who use insults instead of logical reasoning to oppose an opponent in a debate.

          • sara

            Dear Dawit
            selam is young and trying her best to contribute in her own way – defending eritrea’s sovereignty , therefore do not be that touchy to some words she uses unintentionally just ..wasee sedrek! a bit..

          • selam

            Dear sara
            I am just accusing both sides for failing to protect the Eritrean people. I believe PFDJ is a criminal group who misuse the Eritreans people aspirations on the other hand I could not find alternative to them , look at the lairs and crooks some of them think our independence is fake and some of them pray for dergi to come back , some of them want their own ethnically oriented state insiee Eritrea. So do not you think the young has the right to kill them all and give the debate about Eritrea and government to be quite unique. You may blame me for being harish on dawit but how long do we have to wait for heart checking in both sides of the argument. Trust no one , i am quite informed about both sides,

          • Peace!

            يا هلا بك سارة كلامك صح هي ما قالت هذا الكلام عن قصد المعنى هي ما فكرت انها تشتم او تذل حد لذلك داويت يجب ماتكون حساس وتاخذ بخاطرك

          • selam

            Dear Dawit
            Sorry if my words are bad than your defense to IA , i really mean it . But look my difference with all forumers is just as simple as that , i do not accept PFDJ yet i can not clabb with people who thinks our history is arab based propaganda or some people say dergi is better , i find your defence to be on the same pot . Yet i have told you before i do not mind your take on any idea , you have the right to say what ever you think is right but expect me to make my voice .

          • dawit

            Dear selam,
            I really enjoy your writings in defense of our country and I don’t have a problem if you don’t agree on my support for PFDJ, it is natural to disagree in some and agree on others. We both agree in the defense of our country. Hopefully we all will have the voice who will be the best to lead our country. This could have happened if Eritrea’s path to greatness was not derailed by Ethiopia that took us in a border clashes. But even that will not stop us from moving forward. In my case here are two guiding principles I follow quotations from our respected and great founding fathers. I do not compromise for Independence and unity of Eritrea people.

            “The Eritreans aim is independence. If we don’t achieve independence the country
            will remain under international protection. But Eritrea will not be a slave to anyone”. – Ibrahim Sultan

            “We have to fight together and show wisdom so that Eritrea will conserve her hopes in the future. She will not survive if we are divided”.
            Woldeab Woldemariam
            Best Regards

  • Pass the salt

    AlBeshir dodged the bullet for now. But when he visits Asmara, judge TeAme Beyene of the Eritrean high court might order his arrest. And since our high court operates independently, Isaias might not be able to save AlBeshir the way Zuma did. Remember, Isaias wasn’t able to do anything when the high court ordered the release of journalists and G-15.

  • Yoty Topy

    Hello,

    “Many Africans we talked to for this report sounded schizophrenic regarding the AlBashir drama; they wish he was apprehended so that his abused people will breathe freely, while at the same time they despise the paternalistic attitude of the ICC. How does one reconcile that?”

    This reminds me of a college course called “African Philosophy” that discussed native African philosophies on logic, morality, concept of time and so on. One of the discussions that I found very fascinating and still find it helpful in coping with some of the idiosyncrasies that comes of out of our people is the fact that some African Philosophies can accommodate two or more ‘contradictory’ statements and still would not be subject to scrutiny. I remember many examples to backup this hypothesis but like my algebra formulas, I forgot them the minute I left college.

  • T..T.

    Hi all,

    Things are coming fast in piece meals but surely something is going on against Isayas. The Isayasists’ response, as usual is, what this and that got to do with Isayas? Don’t be a fool! That’s how cases are built against sneaky criminals.

    The following are among the recent reports against Isayas:

    http://hornaffairs.com/en/2015/06/08/10-takeaways-from-un-report-on-eritreas-rights-violations/

    http://hornaffairs.com/en/2015/06/10/eritrean-kunamas-afars-massacre-mass-graves-un-report/

    http://hornaffairs.com/en/2015/06/10/british-police-investigating-eritrean-embassy-for-money-extortion/

    http://hornaffairs.com/en/2015/06/13/eritrean-favorite-methods-torture/

    http://hornaffairs.com/en/2015/06/13/eritrea-joined-rogue-states-crimes-against-humanity/

    .

    • Naod Samiel

      Daniel Berhane defends Woyane’s crimes on his site. Is that the best source you have?

      • selam

        Dear Naod .S
        T.T thinks we have no clue about daniel but his take on the UN report is as good as it can get. T. T will go with any one as far as it goes to his head master. That is how complex people are becoming. One thing not to lose sight over hypertension.

  • Abi

    Hi selam
    I will try to answer your extremely complicated and mind blowing question.
    It is an honor to defend ETHIOPIA and ETHIOPIANS.
    That was easy.

    • selam

      Dear abi
      Yes it is an honer to defend the poor Ethiopians but some one is popping up to defend the murderers , i do not claim all ethiopians have the DNA of dergi or meles. You failed to understand the question and to whom it addresses. I have told you about my good wish and admiration to Ethiopia but not to the bloody killers. By the way i have never see you defend the killers but you know who . The lair who is using Eritrea to be his country in this forume.

      • Abi

        Hi selam
        I will never defend derg. However, I miss Meles. I miss him everyday . We need more of him.
        I hope the womb of ethiopia produce a lot more.

        • selam

          Dear Abi
          Lets kill this thing. Are you claiming as Eritrean ? If no please stay away from my stone , i did not write to you. Yet i agree our differences on murderer meles. He is evil to Eritreans , that is my understanding about meles.

          • Abi

            Selam
            I don’t claim to be an eritrean. So, I stay away from your stone. Keep your stone for yourself. As you said , let’s kill this thing. It is going nowhere.

          • Abel

            Melese; May his soul rest in peace.Thanks to his brilliant visionary leadership qualities,
            Ethiopia is projected to be the number one country in the top 10 fastest growing economies of the WORLD.
            The Business Insiderwebsite, which is the largest business news site, has published an article on June 12, 2015.

          • Abi

            Hi Abel
            The future is brighter !!
            Meles is a candle who melted to lit the GERD. I can’t wait to see “Meles Dam” completed. Two more years!

            Abayin gedebnew beAbay birhan ayen
            Chelema felgeh minew teleyehen ? RIP

  • saay7

    Hey Awatistas:

    It looks like Field Marshall Omar Al Bashir stuck more than his tongue at the ICC: he held some South Africans hostage until he was safely back in Khartoum. To the hammer, everything is a nail, as they say

    http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/EXCLUSIVE-Sudan-held-SA-hostage-20150616

    saay

  • Ismail

    Selamat all,

    As much as we detest African dictators (dictators period), the way ICC has been going about it is “zehmko Aleni betri habuni”. Just as in the other international bodes like UN, powerful nations are never persecuted making a mockery of the justice it claims to uphold. It is hard to predict what social changes his arrest would have brought but for better or worse, Africans must learn to deal with their own tyrants themselves.

    Ismail (pointblank)

    • Semere Andom

      Hi Ismael;
      Africa to dealing with ts own dictatorship problems would be the perfect solution, but it is the continet that is home of Gaddafi, Id Amin and many countless dictators like Mengistu and the continent has done nothing, it is like it celebrates its impressive record of producing criminal leaders.
      the Mo Ibrahim award in the last 10 years of its creation has 50% award rate, that is it could not find worthy recipient half of the time.
      Africans can criticize ICC and the west all they want, but they sound foolish when they drown in the sea to reach the West to enjoy the freedom it offers. ICC is not a kangaroo court and any African dictator with courage and confidence of his actions can go there and found not guilty. I think African needs to create an other Union that excludes those who do not have some basic freedoms in their countries and make itself from becoming a fertile womb for despotism and ethnic cleansing, then they will have some moral ground to criticize the societies that brought freedom to their own people
      You can be sure that somewhere in an African, some country is in gestation to be pregnant with a leader who will be in charge of some genocide against some ethnic group, and the African will complain about the UN for acting slow or doing little to stop the genocide, we will be shocked and the cycle will repeat it self.

      • Ismail

        Selamat Semere,

        You are right. ICC is not a Kangaroo court but the question is can it be even-handed? If it is to act as a great tribunal of justice, then it not only must have the will (which it does) but should also have the ability to go after all criminals not only the vulnerable. The fact that it cannot and does not diminishes its stature just as is the case with the UN.

        We must remember that crimes against humanity can occur anywhere including within democracies. Bush administration officials were charged with war crimes
        by the United Nations Special Rapporteur but what is the likelihood that
        anyone will ever put handcuffs on them? Israel that has been flouting
        one UN resolution after another and committing numerous war crimes is another case in point. Obama typified US attitude towards ICC when he stated ” The United States should cooperate with ICC investigations in a way that reflects American sovereignty and promotes our national security interests.” Stated in plainer terms, he is saying the US can “veto” or reject any actions by ICC using an undefinable vague criteria of “national security interests” just Isayas does or would do.

        This is not to defend AlBashir or Isayas but to highlight the fact that the UN and ICC have a long way to go before they can earn the respect of all nations as impartial persecutors or judges.

        Ismail (pointblank)

  • haileTG

    Dear Awatista,

    Please read a voice from the silent [majority?] in a view from Dr Tesfa G. posted at the regime website linked below:

    http://www.tesfanews.net/in-search-of-an-appropraite-politics-for-eritreans-in-diaspora/

    Sure enough I have points that I agree and disagree with, however knowing Dr Tesfa’s resume in heart work, I would like to think hard to feedback constructively. Also, I wish to testify that he is a descent man with a big heart and love of his people and country (proven by his work than words). Please share your thoughts.

    Regards

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear HTG,

      I really want to see your stand on what he is saying in that page. For me I never care who say it, imagine any kind human and I will sure oppose the idea if that ends telling me we should have any peaceful solution and dialog with someone who support a group who lead without any rule and system. No mater what, there is no way to get win-win solution. what big knowledge is needed on that ? aren’t dancing over the death of the innocent? if what he is saying is before 20 years (they were a lot of intellectuals who support PFDJ) I would say ምከረው ምከረው እምቢ ካለ መከራ ይምከረው and just inform him what I feel, if not let him touch the fire and burn his hands – I mean if they don’t feel what burns us, let them taste it. yes ended they have got the result ( I know some are trying to deny that truth and keep blaming one man IA only and dream to reform as if IA was supper man and they were not serving him).

      But today, every house has tasted it. if still someone is a supporter of PFDJ that is the most craziest thing to think of any thing to talk of peace with him. That is the first enemy as far as I understand.

      Sorry to say, he might be very nice man but his thought is opportunistic when comes to this part. I hope he will pull the idea of win- win with supporters PFDJ as this will confuse the already confused opposition and will prolong the life of PFDJ which is already at the end.

      • selam

        Dear k.s
        the confused opposition , waw in this forume some one is developing a very bad thing. You and some big awatista think you have the license to criticize the opposition while some have not. Thanks for confirming that confused thing about the opposition. My godless world. Good to see you again.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Selam,
          didn’t you read several times I requested my party to move and work leaving all those confusions ? and when did I say opposition is perfect. Leave alone those already contaminated by PFDJ, even the once with good watch which are few are not perfect. But this should not be an excuse to support PFDJ. this should not be just just to shoulder responsibility. blaming opposition for our laziness is for me a crime. who is suppose to be opposition ? everyone of us, isn’t it? so it seems you didn’t understand my stand earlier. Hey, I have a full information PFDJ is fanning the differences using different tactics including sending her dirty cells inside opposition.

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            accepted except the amharic words , i hate to see them as any communication form in any Eritrean issues. You are good with your Tigrina , come on , where is the ELF mantra go with your ENGLISH, TIGRINA , ARABIC dump this amharic thing once for all.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            let me ignore for this moment your hate of Amharic. but just remind you love is the way out. you will never get peace and happiness with hate. I have only one enemy in life, the group who leads without rule now. I care more about now, and if that era ends, I will sure make peace with those who support PFDJ, but remember I am saying when the era ends.

            instead let’s talk about Omer Bashir. do you see this?

            http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2015/06/16/SA-soldiers-held-hostage-in-Sudan-as-guarantee-for-Al-Bashir%E2%80%99s-safe-return

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            I did not hate the language but its importance with Eritrean issues and value is not to be approved. Ok lets talk about omer , I wouldn’t be surprised even if he told his generals to kill any south african in sudan , you know he is able to do the horrific things to his own people. But what is the western puppets , take this to your own home issues , how on earh do these officials come to africa to do what they do and repeat the 1960. We know all african leaders are corrupted and most of them criminals but whose job it should be to remove them or to hold them accountable? Why is south africa being held on different standards while omor al bashir drink , dance .. in Ethiopia and saudi arab ? Lets talk about the merit of ICC? They have no business until they ask Bush , Tony and Bibi to come to their court. I have no limt to trash them as watermelon in garbage . If ICC where good , we could have asked mengstu hailemriam , meles , isaias and so many to be tested in their chair but they are not here to help the victim , let them go to trash bin .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            you said what dictators are saying. you have one thing in common. I don’t have that common land, I don’t want to reach to that level and my way is shorter – remove your dictator so you will not open the way for outsiders. when you cure your wound germs will not get chance of interning your body. if not germs don’t ask your permission to get what they want – after all this is the world and everybody will fight to eat. Lol !!! if young and energetic lady if Selam don’t keep her dignity and keep roaming around due to lack of discipline bad boys will catch her one night in dark place. if she is nice and cultured and obey her parents sure she will live in peace. so, why blame others after opening the way?

            so if you see any trouble, it starts within. the Mediterranean see didn’t swallow except those who try to cross it without proper safety way. and you know what, if they only solve their own problem in Asmara they could have seen Mediterranean see up above the horizon when they have some seminar in European countries and come back to their dignified nation Eritrea. please understand me, what I am saying is we don’t have to wait till others complain about our dictators.

            so if you don’t remove PFDJ, you will enjoy watching those you dream to see them in trash bin,

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            well said but i reject your assistance in making me a good girl in your predefined book on how girl should tolk. I have tear down the old thing about a girl. My mother is happy on how i take my life.
            Now i am not opposing to put isias to what he does , i am opposing a neoliberalism in this 2015 . Enjoy your take on PFDJ take them to security Council in UN bann them from any air they can breath i will support what i can . Or lets make their day short on caculated risk analysis . Lets oppose them even in Geneva , lets block all their out lets but you can not and will not get support if you try to intimidate the sovereign state by few crooks .

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            regarding our tradition (not PFDJ’s one – the original cultural and ethical one) you will have to be nice enough to study it and take with you the good one and cancel the bad adding new good once and transfer it to your coming generation — this is the advice wise elders will tell you. women are protected and respected in our culture Selamino. Never neglect our that culture thing.

            regarding the security council, it is really not my choice I in fact wish we don’t reach to that level but destroy the garbage ourselves. I don’t enjoy much – But ….

            regarding the sovereign and all that reasons which makes some doubtful – sure it will not happen. When comes to our Sovereign state we Eritreans are very much attached to the level we don’t touch the dictator if that will be affected. the best sample for this is you. and this is the most exploited topic by PFDJ junta. so don’t ever worry about it as you and me and every single Eritrean is a guard.

      • haileTG

        Dear brother KS,

        Yes, you’re right that much can be said and should have been said. I have many points I differ with his take, but the reason I wanted to give a heads up on his character is based on my knowledge of him as a person and some of the social empowerment work that he has been doing. I saw him many times being frustrated and taken advantage of. I can assure when people like him break their vows of silence, you are seeing a real movement at the large dead mass of our silent segment. I saw the man fight alone, fight for hope in the manner he could. If similar things was said to me by the other so called doctors like Gedeon, Tesfay… I wouldn’t give it a second of my time. This gentle man of course comes from regime sympathizer side and I didn’t want his view point heading straight to our fight room, to rip it to pieces and silence it. The regime people will soon call him CIA, Woyane… let them. I was recently engaged in long talk with someone who is pro regime and anti-justice seekers. One area I was trying to hammer home to him was that there must be space for the population to express its views without the attacks and threats of his side. But should they stick on that behavior they will sure be exposed to far bigger attacks from those fully opposed to them and they deserve every bit of it too. The positive of Dr Tesfa’s call is in his conjecture that the way forward is the people coming forward and expressing themselves without intimidation. If such was to be the case, it would be considered a win for the justice seeking forces (let the regime evaluate it what it means to it, i.e. win/lose). I will feedback more fully to his article soon, and I thought this might give you a little hint to where I am coming from. I am not hoping Dr Tesfa will bring a major change of heart right away, but worth following it. From my knowledge of him, he is a humanist and spent many effort and resource to help, albeit under a challenging and complex situations. So, he is saying the regime must be willing to engage the opposition and must abandon its blanket dehumanization. I know Kokobay, this ain’t easy battle we are in, cool down, sip that coffee and give it a good strategic consideration.

        Thanks bro

    • selam

      Dear haile
      The first writers were in meskerem.net and you can see it . They both have good points but i guess they are too late for the win win situation thing.

  • dawit

    Dear All’,
    Sorry, I forgot to post the link to the Newsweek article.
    http://europe.newsweek.com/mastermind-evil-genius-behind-migrant-crisis-328471

  • dawit

    Dear All,
    Please read a recent Newsweek article recommended to me by brother saay7. It is More relevant article for AT members to discuss than Al-Bashir and ICC.

  • L.T

    Hey Hayat;
    Have you read his book proper I’ve done and the book is home with me.He accused Meles of all not Iasais

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi LT,
      Okay, so you want him to have his day at the ICC court for accusing Meles in his book?

  • selam

    Dear efrem
    Please do not try to put the dead ICC in to contention. If you want ICC to work for you go bring them and try all Generals at your disposal. I find your dream just empty and no merit at all.

    • sara

      Dear selam
      how could this person be related to yemane barya, oh…sorry it is bay area- and he mocks africans, barya was i heared pan africanist to the bone. what a pity!

  • L.T

    I would like to draw to the Weyane leadres that they started the war against Eritrea and one of them is Gebru Asrat.He was the first who loosned the shots and he is an unbridled egoisim pouring,an evil ugly head.Just read his book.We want a court order for him and to the 12 warlords with”all neceessary steps”

    • Hayat Adem

      Hi L.T.,
      You said of Gebru Asrat, “Just read his book”.to know that he started the war. But his book clearly says Isaias did start the war.
      L.T.You know by now you have cultivated your own audience. I’m proudly telling you I’m one of them. I’ve never known anyone else who’d ever won me for pure incoherence. The Power of Incoherence, Congratulations!

    • sara

      Dear L.T
      you forgot to mention Mengistu and Meles to those warmongers who have killed- maimed-deported/cleansed many eritreans over the past 40 years., at least they could bring menghistu to court and try melles in absentia, just for the sake of justice, if they really they want to be taken seriously.The law must apply equally to those who have violated
      serious human right,which beshir is only being targeted.
      Gebru, the vocal enemy of eritreans is just a small time warlord of the northern ethiobia..

    • Peace!

      Dear L.T,

      Not only that what about the war crimes committed by Weyane soldiers in Baruntu including mass rape, looting of civilian areas, arson, the killing of civilians and prisoners of war? These are serious war crimes.

      regards

  • selam

    Dear Readers
    It is good al beshir come home safely and it is good south Africa stood for what is true. Here i am not defending the criminal al bashir but the identity of sudan as a sovereign nation. ICC is a rotten watermelon in the garbage. They have no shame even to the minor crime by . They have to ask TONY BLIAR AND BUSH . I wish this rotten organization is dead by now. Africans should have their own way of dealing with dictators and criminals not by some old white play book.

    • sara

      Dear selam
      all what you stated is right, but i also to add to tony blair and bush jr, the worst of all of them a monster called
      Netanyahu of israel who is supported and shielded by the so called great power amerika.
      just today one of those so called NGO’s has tried to reach the palestinian territories and they were barred from doing so by the same monster called Netanyahu and there is no UN or AMERIKA condemnation, can you believe this? where is then the so called HUMAN RIGHTS organizations.

      • selam

        Dear sara
        Sorry i forget the evil in the ME , there is no human right , there is only western play book. I do not believe all the talk and bla bla is credible even though the situation about Eritrea has a credible evidence.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear all,
    The strange thing here is outsiders feel and see and fight the crimes of dictators more than the citizen. But change gets meaning only when it is from within. did I see a say with picture of an egg ” when the change takes place within life starts and when change takes place without life ends” or similar .. but isn’t the duty and right of people to fight and remove their dictators? Why we 3rd world nations are very much lazy to move our own dictators? those are the questions that come to mind. who can help me answering these questions?

  • Naod Samiel

    Awate Team,

    Milošević, Karadžić, Mladić and Taylor weren’t apprehended by the ICC. The UN set up a special tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and a special court for Sierra Leone.

    But on the subject of the ICC, we should be careful not to allow genuine concerns like punishing criminals and helping victims push us into arrangements that will only harm our countries. When you see people like Kagame receive Western support, while they engage in the worst atrocities in eastern Congo, but you don’t hear a word about that, you need to ask yourself why. Because if we’re honest, we could go after many more leaders than the handful the ICC has, including the ones on our southern border.

    • sara

      Dear Naod,
      that is new to me, honestly i was thinking the ICC was the one who brought those you mentioned to the court
      could you elaborate more on this , there are many of us who are not familiar with the un special tribunal and special court and the icc or isis.
      btw, in the middle east , people always wonder, why the icc/isis is not looking to the israelites, like bibi and his army if they are really serious, how about Bush al ibn and tony blair.its a weird world , don’t you think so..

      • Abi

        Hi sara
        I need your help here. I understand ICC in this discussion. Why do you expect anything positive from isis. you said people in the middle east wonder why ICC/ isis is not looking into the Israelites and bibi and his army if they are serious. Again, do you expect justice from isis? Why ?
        Btw, there are thousands of eritreans in Israel hiding from IA . They said that they are safe with bibi even if it is temporary. It is their ” watch tower ” as in biblical times.
        God protect this world from your isis. Long live bibi ! I hope to see someone like him who worries day and night for his country and people as my leader.
        I never expected to read somebody lamenting why isis is not serious enough in this website.
        What is that you want isis accomplish if they are serious ?

        • sara

          ato Abi
          com on, do not try to take me to task, simply because i wrote isis only . i know you know why i did
          mention it with the icc…cia…isis or even isias just to make my point. so dont drag it further…
          as for eritreans in israel, again you know why and how they ended up there the same with ethiobians no need to look good and honest and make others look bad. we both have been here at this forum a long time we all know the why, the how etc of all what is going on .
          one thing though, i can’t believe that your admiration to the monster called netanyahu, knowing that
          your ardent stand about ethiobia/abIsinia considering how the monster and his henchmen are treating those who migrated to israel from ethiobia’s western region.
          let me also be frank with you more, i do respect your stand on/of/for ethiopia.

          • Abi

            Hi sara
            If ethiopians and eritreans suffered in Israel , it is our fault collectively. I never blame the host country. We are not invited there. We forced our way to go there .
            We have a better and bigger countries with all the natural resources imaginable.
            We couldn’t agree to live together and ended up to be a reliable sources of maids and drivers for the Arabs .
            I was reading about ethiopia’ s natural gas potential and can be a major exporter in the world in one of the magazines . I couldn’t finish the report when I got so angry. You know why? That potential was discovered in the 70’s. Look, instead of using it to our advantage, we sealed it and headed out to be maids for the last 50 years. It makes me sad. All this to fulfill the Arabs agendas to keep us from using our resources. Instead, we become there reliable resources. The same to the GERD. We are still in the dark while our waters give life and light to our enemies.
            Shame on us .
            As I said, I admire a leader who puts his country and people before anything else.
            Go bibi! Go Israel! Show us how to be united and survive instead of divided and become country less.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abi, congratulation,

            you won over those who always cry blaming others. no one in this world will be blamed before us when comes to our cases. no single living thing in life has responsibility over someone’s decision to leave his country. No one invite us to go to their nations. trying to blame others for our laziness to solve out internal problems is foolishness.

            now here is the question for you, we understand Eritreans have one big devil and we are not challenging him as we should. What makes Ethiopians leave their wonderful nation and their seemingly democratic government? just curious.

  • Sarah Ogbay

    Dear readers,
    Sheila Keetharuth will appear on Aljezeera, The Stream tonight. Not surprisingly, the cynics, PFDJ, are mobilsing their youth to tweet. It might be interesting to watch and be part of.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi AT:
    Reconciling the contradiction is easy, Africa needs to rise above its legacy of repression and create continent wide court of law to replace ICC, in the absence of such court ICC with all the flaws that the African leaders love to mention is the only means to bring the criminals to pay for their crimes.
    By protecting Al-Bashir SA not only stuck its tongue out at ICC, it ridiculed its on history of fighting the enslavement of Africans. The AU by protecting the criminal from Sudan vouched for each other, its offices are and were littered by common criminals and until someone finds the balls to overcome such cowardice, the cruel really of the holding the “family renunion” in the Med sea will be there to haunt generation of Africans, fleeing crimes and leaving behind a bountiful continent
    African must transcend its history of beign the home continent of Charles Taylor, Mengistu Hailemaiams, the Al-Bashir and the Id-Amins.
    It is common to hear that this is not Africa’s problem , Africans who abhor the ICC as a court targeting them mention Hitler and the Bosnia crimes, but what did Europe do, it did not protect these criminals, it purged them.
    It is about time that African purges the criminals among its leaders and give them away to the river to cleanse the continent before new breed of criminals ethnically cleanse it
    It is really simple, the criminals at the AU vouched for each other.

    • Berhe Y

      I think any action taken against dictators is better. This article spend a lot of time trying to describe the inter working of ICC, its budget, it’s record etc. well this is good if one is looking at the organization and its effectiveness but honestly have nothing to do why it wanted to bring Al Bashir. It’s an organization like any which has its mandate and its objective. If it spends money to try to get Joseph Kone or others, because that is its mandate. It’s not in the business of giving bounty to other would be criminals and deal with.

      The Ugandan government with its allies can do that if it wanted.

      But overall, I think it tried to minimize the role and its objective of the ICC.

      I sense, this is an attempt by the AT team to minimize the role ICC would play towards our own dictator and his cronies for the crimes the committed.

      I personally think this is a victory to the justice seeking people around the world, Al Bashir may have escaped this time but it is just a matter of time before someone else hand him over.

      While on the subject I think it’s really good news that Sweden has passed a law to bring to anyone for any crimes committed anywhere. And Eritrean dictators and his cronies are currently being accused. If they are charged, I think this would mean the Swidish government will seek their extradition from anywhere around the world that they have agreements with.

      I would guess this will include the entire Europe and other Western countries.

      What this means is, NO PFDJ thugs will ever set foot in Europe, just like they don’t anymore to the U.S.

      Off course Eritreans sometimes tends to argue about nothing and we wanted to solve world problems but in fact our agenda should be our own people and countries. The Iraqi, Palestinian, people and others have much ore capable and have muchire support from others in effectively dealing their problems.

      Berhe

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Berhe:
        It was is not bad idea to give a back ground of the ICC.
        I was carried away but the notion that ICC was setup to target Africa is just false,USA and Israel feared it ad were not sign, well USA signed and not unsigned, I think. AlBashir has been to other ICC signatories African countries before and they never arrested him, but SA case is more shameful, the Darfur case was an attack on the skin of the people by those who call themselves Arabs in Sudan.
        ICC also has arrested and the Serbs and the Bosnia criminals.
        Africa that looked away on the Mengistu genocide and the Darfor Genocide and the Rawanda Genocide has nothng to show for to criticize ICC, with all its flaws ICC is more august than AU and African dicators combined