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Absence Of Class Is Filled By Something Lower

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I was glad to read Daniel’s “If You Love Your Country, Reform It” on a Saturday morning.

Unfortunately, it is with regret that I share my opinion about the article which is one of those pieces that are written every day to sway the opinion of those who do not read critically. While the message seems simple and clear, whether it is right or widely-accepted, as the author claimed, or not, I believe it unnecessarily touched a lot of big controversial political and philosophical concepts which are: A) irrelevant to his thesis, and B) don’t seem logically structured to make the conclusion which by itself is, in my opinion, manipulative. Besides he abandoned those concepts half stream in apparently trying to rush his article to the finish line.

First here is the manipulative nature of the conclusion: The author argues that the only solution to Eritrea’s problem is reforming it within. This is an idea as good as it can get even though one can strongly accept or reject it. No problem there. The manipulation comes with what is attached to it. The author bars any other alternatives as emanating from not loving one’s country or an act of burning it. With that attachment, one can sees that the author’s heart lies more to his detest, to the alternative idea and the group that, in his analysis and views, propels that alternative than the reform he seems to argue in favor of.

Now let me back up my own assertions.

1) Group Vs Individual.

Rights: Why would the author even wanted to go to this very broad and controversial concepts just to drop it in our laps as follows: “Therefore, for the sake of this article let’s address the issues facing Eritrea as individual citizens of a country and not as members of any social or political sub-groups that are after all, setup to do the things that individuals cannot do all on their own.”

I cannot understand why the author did but guess that it looks like there are social/political groups that are proponents of the need organize regionally to effect change in Eritrea and that he is here trying to disprove their association by arguing that it is individual responsibility and their rights that matter more than their group aspirations. If that is the case it didn’t go well.

Here is a point for author to research:

Groups are not a mere collection of individuals. Groups, depending their scope, nature of bonding and the conditions that created them, are more dynamic and don’t dissolve with an intense bombings let alone a piece of article. Those political grouping which “think-thanks” like yourself call “regional” and “sub national” have social, economic and political grievances that makes their existence a necessity. Don’t condemn or condone but try to understand the root-causes. Condemning naked regionalism is another form of regionalism under the guise of nationalism.

Case study: There are no ethnocentric people more than the Amhara people, and they loved Ethiopia because they had all the interest (very broad statement). However, they fiercely oppose and detest other ethnic groups when they try to be themselves and think for their own interest because that reduces them as a simple group with a disadvantage of controlling a state power at the Ethiopian level.

One more point: Wherever, there is no class, something lower fills the gap for human needs of creating a group to promote, protect, and fight for their interest.

2) Unsubstantiated assertions:  “For the most part, most Eritreans have rejected the idea of interference by outside forces and the idea of Eritreans solving their own problems by focusing on change from inside the country is now accepted widely.

How did the author arrive at such a bold assertion? Where are the statistics?

But here is a point for the author to ponder on. Blanket ascription to something being popular where the people have not voted freely or polled, is unreal and it is as good as the group-thinking you abhorred in your article. One more example: the overwhelming majority of the Ethiopian people never supported (no poll taken but judging from the rallies that used to take place) wanted the TPLF (Woyane) to topple the Derg, let alone talk about bringing Democracy.

3)We cannot afford for our genuine desire for democratic change to be hijacked by short-sighted sectarian Wing Nuts – no [matter] which corner of the political spectrum they claim to represent.

Really? Why condemn very quick! How sure is the author, judging by the tone and implied message of the article, he himself is not going to be viewed by others as “Wing Nuts”?

4) But more importantly, the Ethiopians have absolutely no right to illegally invade the Eritrean land or airspace. If the recent story has any merit, it should be denounced without ifs and or buts.

It looks to me for someone to be politically relevant and make a statement like the above, which a citizen of any country in the world with no possibility of stumbling will make, (it is that much common) need to have a little power in his hand. Politically, no one can stop the Ethiopians from attacking the Eritreans because the regime is creating the justification. Does the author have control over what the Eritrean regime does to Ethiopia, to fully condemn Ethiopia? If you do, count me in to support you. If you don’t why make such obvious statement?

But one can only guess why, by reading between the lines: The author belongs to a small fringe in Eritrea who want, wish, and write for the removal of the upper ruling clique only and with no radical change that can shake up the class dynamism, interest, and structure of the status quo. For that, he is exploiting the nationalistic feeling by employing issues of sovereignty. He is neither the first not the last to do that.

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  • selam

    Dear Rahwa
    I am not opposing some one who have postive ideas , I am opposing some one with evil ideas.
    Here is what I think about union,
    1. Lets build healthy union with each other respecting fully.
    2. Lets even create one federated nation but we should decide what is good for us.
    3. Use what ever you think is helpful but under our approval

    Wish the tigrai people make tigrai like dubai and more , I hope the dam goes well , every thing ethiopia does in economic or social if it is ok for you , I am happy and if there is peace , I will make sure I make money in the market so no ha4d feeling. What I do not accept is the disposing of history and also using false brotherhood like habesha. Come to us and be honest with us. That is it.

    But do not expect me to be like k.s, or semere or mizaan.i have no fear after death and I do not care about the non existence so nothing is for me except my eritreansim to die with it fully.

    About awate.com , well I am content with what I get from this site , look at saleh book , that is way special to me.

    I am responding to ghebre just to tell him what is beyond the wall.
    You know I never want to hurt any once feelings. I respect no one when it comes to aginst eritrea and its history .Look the way I reply with Tes , I am not selective .

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    Why the Ethiopians wanted to move with GERD in 2011 is I think clear. They thought it to be the best time as the Egyptians’ eyes were busy on something else. The Egyptians dispatched a diplomatic team to Addis the following year. They asked PMMZ to slow the project, to allow experts to study it and to delay signing of the bill until they pass the crisis and have a government to take responsibility on matters such as the Nile. Good natured human being he was, he didn’t say no to the guests. I didn’t think they got everything they asked but I am positive they get most of it. I didn’t know why Saay wanted this time to make his move against me but I asked him, please slow your attack on me until I respond to the first ones. “Nah, I go by my own schedule” and said he would use whatever he wanted against Hayat not Hayat’s ideas but the very identity or what he assumes it is. He said it, and then he did it like a machine gun fire without a pause. Attack! He acted like a hot soldier and not the thinker Saay I sometimes envy but well… not enough times really. Wow! Wait a minute, what is this rush and meanness for? Why am thought that dangerous? Am I running for public office?

    Contrast is what makes photography interesting. This was said by someone well known in the field of photography. So is story writing or commentary. So let me give you two tales here. The respected author of ours may feel uncomfortable his work is being quoteed here to be used against his friend but the urge overcomes you sometimes. So, he wrote this 15 yrs ago: “Be wise! Free the one with the broken wings;, The dove whose feathers you plucked, Let it fly anew, to herald to us, A new tiding, of a peaceful era.” Now this is great. This is dove love. This is a resource for a good use in the future. I want you to read another quote. I know you are already guessing but you wouldn’t even believe he could have said this, and i will tell you why I think so, in a moment but now the quote: After educating us how negotiation skills, a standing army and massive arms are needed to impose a lasting regional peace, he continues,

    Start of quote: Which is why I was so sad when I first heard that Eritrea is purchasing MIG 29s. No, I wasn’t sad that we are “wasting resources”. Frankly, the people who feel we don’t need fighter planes and heavy weapons must live in an imaginary world of rainbows and unicorns and harp music. I can tolerate this in little girls clutching teddy bears and fuzzy bearded academics at ivory towers but I simply don’t understand it coming from people of my generation who lived the terror of helplessness of being outgunned. I am sad that we didn’t have the MIGs much earlier: if we did, the Ethiopian government would never have dared bomb our capital. I am elated that we finally have them. Outgunned no more. Finally, the distance from Addis to Asmara is exactly the same as the distance from Asmara to Addis. End of quote.

    Well, we bought them to the delight of Saay but Asmara was never spared from being bombed and the exchange flight to Addis was never heard of. Dejen and his MIG 29 colleagues hardly made it to the front line. Do you want to know why I thought it could seem unbeleivable? Sal is writer. Writers and artists preach hhigher human values. Killing someone for an artist is almost killing your self. For a writer/artist, human souls are interconnected, they are one. So whereever the killing happens, it is a reduction from that oness. How can one cheer up MIGs openly. And the you become sad that it didn’t happen yesterday because today is not enough. People had such an easy heart for drumming up a war! Look how he was craving to put Addis in the target map. People every where. If MIG 29 hit Addis, they could be hitting another school or residential houses, probably houses innocent people like Araya’s parents live. He could have used his pen to say, please stop the war, put off the lanterns, or at least do not target civilians and cities”. Don’t blame me for digging archives. Well you could if you believe he has changed over the years and he is now different. I wouldn’t buy that because the old Saay and his hater heart are there. The only variable taken off the equation is he doesn’t have the same confidence in PIA. The software (anti-peace, for hate) is still the same. He is only looking for the right hardware. That will still be PFDJ minus the CEO. I’ll come with more. I can’t do anything else now so don’t blame it on me, ky
    Hayat

    • selam

      Dear hayat

      the planes that were sent to Asmara also were gunned down and your pilot was collected by farmers nothing new for that matter . But i do not want inflate your bogus ideas with full of truth . what i know is you are a hateful person who is full of inferiority. It is war it is not xgames , it is life that cost for you to write about the dead persons. what is bad is you are asking for more people to die in order to satisfy your vampire version of arteries .

      People have dies for so long what else do you really want ? are not your video full ? it will make me an evil person to shed dancing style over a dead person who ever he is. yet you are loving it , you want more .

      We Eritreans are happy the ethiopians are going to build the great dam and good for them and for long time to come good for Eritrea . Actaully it will not be too long after IA we be beneficiary , so no bad feeling about that.

      • Hayat Adem

        Selam Selam,
        Did we pass one whole month? MaElesh! If your comment is based on what I wrote, then you completely missed my point. If you want to advance just your own, no problem. But when is that you found me advocating for war? In fact, I detest it. I want to reconnect these two societies.
        Hayat

        • selam

          Dear Hayat
          Well i do not consider on counting about things that does not concern me. I am always blush , hungry to make money as wall street , so no time to remember when , who ? i am just focused about what is it for me . The 1 or 2 week war by the help of weyane is the biggest one . And the second should be , the constant defense you are making for weyane. You think i am idiot that could not see between lines all you replied about the 80,000 Eritreans , you brushed it off as nothing happens . In your comment there is so much that can be said not by human being yet you still come back with the same message to tell us about the planes that bombed Asmara air port . The bad news for your story is that BEZABEH was gunned down by Eritreans 2 times . what does it really tell you.

    • saay7

      Selamat Awatistas:

      Ah, the fog machine is on:)

      The Holy Roman Empire: neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire. Hayat Adem: neither a Muslim, nor an Eritrean, nor female. Embrace yourself:). Here at awate, we are all embracing: even Gebrekristos can spew his venom but he has something you don’t have: authenticity. Try it: it’s liberating.

      saay

      • ghezaehagos

        Selam Sal,

        Given your privileged position as a moderator of the forum (access to some accounts of the participants) as distinguished from an ordinary member, I believe you are contravening the Awate Posting guidelines by your reference to Hayat as ‘a Muslim, nor an Eritrean, nor female.’ Indeed it may be a disadvantage of being a moderator to keep privacy and confidentiality even if you can claim you decided to that conclusion by her posting’s contents not by peering through her accounts. The sure way of avoiding such pitfalls to continue to engage and refute her points, as if her identity doesn’t matter because it doesn’t matter. After all if you depict as errand-girl for hard core TPLF elements, it would not be hard to debate with her from your angle; hence it was not necessary to make any kind of references about her identity.
        If she presented herself as Eritrean woman, then we should accept her as such.
        All the best,
        Ghezae

        • saay7

          Selamat Ghezae:

          You are mistaken, sir. There is nothing I know about an awate forum participant that you don’t know except for IP address which of course can’t tell you anything other than where someone was when they posted a comment. So obviously none of that tells anyone whether someone is an Eritrean or an Alaskan; a Muslim or a Jehovah Witness; a male or female. So, yes, I was reaching my conclusions based on what she wrote. And if she was writing art reviews or travel guides it wouldn’t matter but she is discuss issues of life and death and in that case, yes sir, it matters greatly. Remember, deception is allowed in warfare and she is at war with the very idea of an independent Eritrea.

          saay

          • Nitricc

            Hi cuse SAAY. Lol. Speaking of unmasking is there a chance Hayat is PFDJ? The more she calles for TPLF invasion on the name of opposition the more the majority to shay away from the opposition and more PFDJ to stay unchallenged. After I read ISem’s dumb rant. I am forced to evaluate the situation. Just to cleaver for Weyane to come up with such thing. Now watch the Addis gripping response. Just watch.

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Sal,

            Thanks for your information on what the moderators know about the forum participants.

            ” Deception is allowed in warfare and she is at war with the very idea of an independent Eritrea…” Many a time, I don’t follow what the participants write in the forum; but I have never read Hayat Adam saying she doesn’t believe in an independent Eritrea. Can you tell me more about this, if you can?

            I think she may be a fan or admirer of TPLF; but honestly speaking that is not a biggie. There are many Eritreans who can count to seven generations back in the land of Erey, who hold more or less the same position as her. If Hayat Adam continues to defend even TPLF excesses and wrongs, it can only harm her case anyways. For most of us, we can always underscore and emphasize the positives TPLF ( a foreign entity) had with the Eritrean cause and in this current struggle while levelling legitimate criticism against it which we need to do to advance our cause.

            Bringing identity issue, by moderator especially, on participant of the forum is counterproductive. It will only give green light to these whose sole aim is for Isaias to rule and us to be subjugated to use these terms and labels against others ( I see them busy in this forum). Not a good thing for this forum; not a good omen for a constructive debate. I reckon few weeks ago a disciplinary action by the moderators was entertained against a PFDJ minion for almost using the same language. It is indeed a surprising and sad turn.
            Yours,
            Ghezae

          • saay7

            Selamat Ghezae:

            (1) I have quoted this line of Hayat many times, and here it is once again. Referencing Yosief Gebrehiwet (YG), she once wrote: “When I read him first, what he was saying was too good settle with. The temptation was to find something to the contrary of well-established facts that disqualify him. I was particularly looking for any microscopic amount of dishonesty. But he remained married to facts, his unambiguous tone and gospeler authority.”

            To me, this means that she completely agrees with YG and YG is anything but for an independent Eritrea; he has, at best, reluctantly accepted it. But I am open to how you interpret it.

            (2) When you say “I THINK (emphasis mine) she may be a fan or admirer of TPLF; but honestly speaking that is not a biggie”, you are understating the premise (she is nothing but an admirer of TPLF, a loud defender of everything they have done and she hopes they do), and you are understating the conclusion (it is not a biggie to you; it is to me.)

            (3) I am not bringing an identity issue; I am bringing a dishonesty issue. I am bringing a case of representation; I am bringing issue of credibility and character. Here’s the ban against it in our posting guidelines:

            “25.3 Don’t portray a misleading identity of yourself: gender, faith, nationality. Avoid anything that is considered a dishonest and deceitful representation of your real identity.”

            The pooh-poohing that you are doing, well, you share that tendency to climb to the mount with Emma; it is what makes you endearing. If Hayat Adem said, “you are mistaken: I am an Eritrean, a female and a Muslim” it is case closed. She is saying, “it is none of your business if I am.”

            Being a moderator should not grant me privileges I abuse (I just told you I use no information that is not available to you); but being a moderator shouldn’t deny me the right of an average writer to point out obvious inconsistencies between Hayat Adem and Hayat Adem. I do that often with Amanuel Hidrat vs Amanuel Hidrat. And, of course, Hayat Adem does it with me even if she has to go to her favorite year, 1998:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saay,

            If you are in that business, let me join to your business for a moment. I also know two personality in saay (a) the Saay who adorn PFDJ and want PFDJ-2 without Issayas only (b) The saay who calls the dissolution of PFDJ and the formation of a constitutional government. Big deal two person in one mind. I will go to your writing to find more.
            regards,

          • saay7

            Hey Cousin Emma (you have been promoted):

            The PFDJ Should Be Dissolved is something I wrote in 2001 and, if you read it (not just the heading), it says that is unlikely to happen so we should call for three parties: (a) a party made up of PFDJ hardliners; (b) a party made up of traditional opposition; (c) a coalition party of moderates and reformers. I even tell you where I see myself in those three groups:) But as usual, you didn’t get the core message.

            https://web.archive.org/web/20011108152451/http://awate.com/COLUMNISTS/ALNAHDA/shaAbia.htm

            Now, even if you see inconsistency between what I said then (in 2001) and what I say now (in 2015), that is 14 years of evolution. In your case, you post completely contradictory things within a span of 30 minutes:)

            But that’s ok, cousin: it’s all in the family:)

            saay

          • ghezaehagos

            Selam Haw Sal,

            Thanks for your reply.

            Let me put it this way. Any reference or focus on the identity of forum participants is a route down the slippery slope, especially if it is employed by moderators, especially when you have a ‘beef’ with them or their ideas because of the enforceablity problem. Clearly, you have not pull that ‘gun’ out against any other forum participant who may be masquerading, “..their gender, faith, nationality..” Your role as a moderator compels you to be fair, and impartial. And that guideline provision can’t be enforced equally and fairly across the board; given the fact that you can only know their ip address. You can only emphasize to participants as ‘noble reminder’ and a matter of ‘conscience’; not as a rule to be enforced. Hence..

            …The idea is that matters. Taking Hayat Adem at a face value and debating her is best way to go. I have met Eritreans in real life who argue along the same lines; and I am sure you did too. As ever, you can debate, challenge, refute, ignore and agree with her as you did sometimes in the past. Hence, focusing on whether she hides under false identity is immaterial as long as her ideas are shared by some Eritreans. Such method will only embolden the enemy, the Isaias regime, (if you still consider it an enemy of the Eritrean people) to de-legitimize and demean Eritreans who have different views.

            Personally, I would like to learn a lot about TPLF. I want to know its history; its organizational and more importantly its conflict resolution methods. I wonder how-the-hell they manage to succeed in the very areas our own failed. If the Hayats and others can give objective analysis it is great as our struggle depends on the lessons of history.

            Yours,

            Ghezae

          • saay7

            Selamat Cousin Ghezae:

            You and I have debate this and we have a fundamental difference which is this: you feel that everyone who claims to be an Eritrean opposition should be embraced (a very quaint idea I entertained for a long time) and I believe that, having been in this for over 15 years, an evaluation is in order (it was called “gemgam” by Harbeyna weyanai, that was one of its strengths, in retrospect now) and that evaluation shows me that part of the reason we have been in standstill, ie, our movement has not moved from “emergence” to “coalescence” (I am sure you are familiar with social movement phases) is that because a disturbingly large number of our opposition are toxic and radicalized and are, in fact, a massive hindrance to our cause.

            I am sure your all-embracing nature finds this view “divisive” and unhelpful etc. I am not saying they have no room in Eritrea (I firmly believe in no Eritrean left behind) but allowing them to define us by their disdain for our peoples sensibilities is something that should not be shefno shefafno. Hayat is a manifestation of that. That you think she can give you an “objective analysis” of anything tells me that you haven’t been reading her: this is a person who found it very necessary to talk about Ethiopias 1987-88 famine and throughout she made two points: TPLF was not consistent: a front that was fearless in criticizing the Societ Union did not criticize the EPLF; and oh yes hundreds of thousands of Tigrayans died: how much of that was EPLFs fault? Just today she did a data dump of an HRW report as if that in anyway supports all the insinuations she was making when in fact it makes the exact opposite point. So on top of everything else she is intellectually dishonest. So if you are really serious about wanting to learn more about TPLF… Let me put it this way: would you recommend Sophia Tesfamariam to anyone who asked you to know more about EPLF? Both are pamphleteers; uncritical conveyer belts.

            The forum ebbs and flows: it’s volume is all based on everyone’s availability so don’t worry the heat will dissipate…but the arguments, I guarantee you, are going nowhere.

            saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            It looks like you can’t win the debate of ideas with her and your solution to not being defined by her ideas is to attack her identity. How very mature. If as you say what she represent is so toxic then attack those toxic ideas, people will judge for themselves here.

            Ghezaehagos was trying to show you in the above comment that whether she is what she say she is or not, the ideas she is putting forward have been floated by many Eritreans. And you have admitted that yourself with your above comment when you brand her together with the toxic and radicalized oppositions as you put it. So are you going to go and ask for their identities too ? It’s Just ridiculous frankly.

            And again ghezaehagos has raised another good point that you are a host here. Singling out and attacking one person who doesn’t think the same was as you to this extent is not host like at all. It just shows how vindictive you can be. Whenever I see how people act in ordinary scenarios here for example on a internet forum, I always try to imagine how they would act given much power for example political powers or government powers. But the way you acted in this scenario and coupled with your double down and explanation of how this behavior come about (15 years of contemplation) should be worrisome to those Eritreans who are actually looking up to you. If this is your reflection, God forbid you shouldn’t be near any true power. In case you are wondering I am Ethiopian. I don’t know if that puts me into your cross-hair. We shall see.

            Thanks

          • saay7

            Selamat Addis:

            Are you the same as our old friend K’addis?

            Ah, the narrative is already jelling. Let’s begin with your last two sentences: the fact that you are an Ethiopian is irrelevant to the issue. As we have said many (many, many, many…) times, we welcome Ethiopians here at awate. On the other hand, we do not welcome deceipt and people who misrepresent themselves because one can’t have good-faith debate when receipt is involved.

            You are the nth person to tell me that I can’t win the debate with her and since all the people telling me that agree with Hayat, you should be celebrating that I am losing the debate:) Nah, what I am saying is that just her selection of the name Hayat Adem was a conscious decision to tip the balance in the debate, my assertion that she is not is also part of the debate. Not the whole debate, but part of the debate. To quote the late Meles Zenawi, we shall negotiate while we fight; we shall fight while we negotiate.” We (royal) shall expose the deceit while we debate; we shall debate while we expose the deceit.” 🙂 Already, her claim that I hate Ethiopians and her shock that I called on Eritrean opposition leaders should use Eritrean languages is backfiring on her so don’t rush to cancel the game on account of rain:)

            With the toxic opposition I will show that their ideas have no support from the Eritrean people. I have asked them to prove this to themselves and ask 20 random Eritreans. Some have taken the vanguard position of “well, you can’t always trust the majority because the majority is often wrong” and some, like my friend Emma, are looking for the 20 perfectly representative sample. Well that requires using a sample that represents Eritrea by ethnicity, religion, age, gender and I think Hayat Adem can help him with that because, surely, she must know a lot of female Eritrean Muslims.

            Your (and Ghezae Hagos) point about how can be a moderator and also a debater is very valid. It is something that we have attempted to answer since we launched our first discussion forum and I think I have the answer. I am not the moderator; I am a moderator. When you see “moderator” next to my name; it is not because I am moderating but because disqus is recognizing my “rank.” So, the solution is to register at disqus under a different name and to debate as an ordinary Awatista. I will let Awatistas know what name I have picked.

            Thanks!

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Saay,
            I don’t think this kind of debate has any winner or loser. There will only be a loss.

          • Hayat Adem

            Saay,
            “Already, her claim that I hate Ethiopians and her shock that I called on Eritrean opposition leaders should use Eritrean languages is backfiring on her so don’t rush to cancel the game on account of rain:)”

            Ah! spinning it, twisting it, tweaking it: I don’t know yet about the backfiring but I was not shocked that you called up on the Eritrean opposition leaders should use Eritrean languages. I was shocked you criticized them for using Amharic. Very different account from yours. Exercise honesty- it won’t hurt.
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Selamat Hayat:

            You were shocked that I called on Eritrean opposition organizations to stop using Amharic in their official correspondence and its one of you exhibits in proving that I hate Ethiopia.

            You are big on winning “hearts and minds” of Ethiopians and you (and unfortunately those who share your views) are very dismissive of winning the “hearts and minds” of Eritreans from PFDJ to the opposition. At awate, we frequently get messages to provide our services in Tigrinya and Arabic, via audio because that’s how our people communicate. We usually beg off saying that we don’t have the resources now. English is incomprehensible to them. Now when we have an opposition organization communicate in Amharic and the PFDJs propaganda is that the opposition are pawns of the Ethio government, does that help us win the hearts and minds of Eritreans?

            saay

          • teweldino

            Hi Sal,

            Wearing a white SAAY8 shirt on the top of your red SAAY7 jersey will not be a solution for the question of fairness, moderator unfair advantage and impartiality. You can still have undue influence over the voluntary moderators. Do you really believe that the moderators will take disciplinary action against the Editor-In-Chief of the website (basically their boss)?

            Your participation in the forum really enriches the discussions in the website. However, when you engaged in a personal attack of a member encouraged by the resident lynching mob, you lost the balance. Do I think you have abused the personal information access you have as a forum moderator? No. Did you appear to have used your information access as moderator in your friction with Hayat? I think so. I have read few comments suggesting that you did know the identity of Hayat (from the awate database). Impartiality is not only about remaining factually impartial, the appearance of being impartial is very important as well.

            It is not the moderator rank next to your nick that is giving the impression that you probably had an advantage over Hayat. And that impression will not change because you changed the colour of your shirt or the number at the back of your jersey. Because the moderators and the members know Saay7 is Saay8. What I expect from you is self-moderation. I believe you do that most of the time and you can continue to do that.

          • saay7

            Funny Teweldino!

            I just had a vision and it’s not pretty.

            You are very Americanized, I can tell: all the ban against not only “impropriety” but “appearance of impropriety” is a very high standard imposed on politicians. My standard is higher: don’t be like almost every forum moderator who bans people at whim; engage them using the same publicly available information you have that every awatista does. If people have a wrong information about what access I have I can correct them. The Disqus moderation tool we use doesn’t even grant us the ability to private message awatistas. The whole appeal of Disqus for us was that we want to give our awatistas maximum assurance that they don’t have to give us their “database” to join a discuss forum. Even the identity authentication process (email verification process) is between Disqus and the awatista. And so, that dog won’t hunt: it’s too fat:) So if people have a perception, they just have to ask and be corrected.

            Ok, on your next satire, please include yourself in the list for that line about how the volunteer moderators are terrified of their boss the editor in chief. Really you should actually lead with that because it’s funny.

            Now on the saay7 and saay8: I was suggesting that saay7-moderator is part of what’s feeding the perception because it is a rank and not a function. It’s like an off-duty officer wearing his military uniform. And I think it would make it easier if when off duty the officer wears civilian clothes.

            Thanks for the laughs:)
            saay

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            Thanks for the reply. Let’s see my last statement was suppose to be a jock. I forgot to put a smiley face 🙂 I am sure Ethiopians are welcome here. And I don’t know who K’Addis is. It isn’t me (shaggy voice).

            To your point of her identity is part of the debate don’t hold water because I have seen the super majority here not giving a hoot about it. It doesn’t look like the majority here are swayed by her ideas in part because of what her name entails. I myself included. But there are some ofcourse who can’t see ideas first or give much weight to it. I call them extremist and if your intention is to appeal to them, then by all means go for it.

            About the oppositions, again you have made it clear with your comment that you aren’t questioning their identity so my point still stands that you should practice the same thing with Hayat.

            About the moderation, if you it’s more flexible for you to debate in a different name then great. I enjoy your debates with whatever name it comes from. One question for you here is may be I am wrong , but your role with this website whether you change your name on disqus or not I assume is the same? I see some comments here that you have the access to somehow know more about the participants here(atleast in terms of ip addresses) than the rest of us. So I don’t see whether you are called a moderator or not on disques makes much difference. You are saay to this site. For me as long as you don’t attack who people are rather than what they stand for, you can continue being saay.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Saay,

            I think you lost the debate for her. Actually debate as “a skill” that is not set for teaching the truth and facts, it is set for winning even by twisting and marinating jokes and sarcasm. You have done it. Look what you are doing as tactic forming “cousin family” to harvest vote of confidence. It is all about tactic not about substances. You are good at it. When a debater accuse his/her adversaries as “intellectual dishonest” he knows the he or she (herself or himself) is dishonest and shrude. When one accuse as uncritical, pamphleteers, conveyer belts, he knows that he himself at one point a conveyer belt and pamphleteers. But as tactic when debaters are done they go into defaming to look un submissive and killer of a messenger. So Saay I think you seem you have given up with her. Otherwise as knowledgeable as you are, as tactful as you are, you couldn’t go to insulting your opponent. I am disappointed by what you are doing.

            regards

          • Nitricc

            Aman; I know you don’t need my advice but be carful. You are throwing away your credibility. It is not good with the person of your caliber to be this reckless. Semere can affored it because he has nothing to lose and Hayat X factor; unknown; why are gambling with them? The fact is we are asking for Hayat to clarify things and she refused and reject; how is SAAY lost the debate? He asking and she refusing then SAAY lost the debate. Wow. Come-on man! You are way better than this.
            I am not defending SAAY; he does not need me; I am defending commonsense. What is so hard to com out and clarify your self?

          • Hayat Adem

            Nitricc,
            Commonsense should tell you also that I’m not refusing to answer Sal’s questions. I’m refusing to play his game and opting to set it my way. And yes, you are defending him though I agree with you he is more than capable of defending himself and he needs no clumsy side-supports such as yours.
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Ah Emma Buddy:

            Good morning! Now let’s see how many illogical statement we can peel from your short post:

            1. “When a debater accuses his adversaries as ‘intellectual dishonest’ he know that he or she is dishonest.” This is just silly. Since we are debating, and you just called me intellectually dishonest, does that make you intellectually dishonest? You have never been intellectually dishonest, Emma. “Intellectual dishonesty” has a specific meaning: it is when a debater’s personal beliefs win over the truth; it is when facts and information are deliberately ignored if they disprove a belief. I think when you get over your disappointment (you are easy to disappoint:) you will realize that not only do I give sources, but precise quotes and page numbers for my reference. In contrast, what Hayat Adem did is to post a link to a website, with the understanding that most people don’t open a link or read a multi-page document. Even the link she presented is an extract of a much larger (381-page) HRW report on the famine in Ethiopia which gives you the proper context on an issue we debated exhaustively

            http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/Ethiopia919.pdf

            Remember, her working hypothesis was that part of the reason for the death of hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians during the famine of 1987-1988 is the EPLF’s denial of passage to TPLF. And she was disappointed at TPLF not at their role in that disaster but for failing to blame the EPLF often and frequently. Neither John Young, nor HRW, shows that the denial of the passage had a significant impact on the deaths. For someone who claims to want to promote peace between Eritrea and Ethiopia, to drudge up this report apropos nothing (it wasn’t its anniversary; it wasn’t because it was in the news) was and still mystifying to me.

            2. Your other claim that if I accuse Hayat Adem of being a conveyer belt then I must be one is equally silly. The reason I say that is whenever there is news or information that puts the TPLF in bad light, her first instinct is to call a TPLFer and then come back to us and say, nah, that’s not true. For example, I gave a specific link to an Ethiopian news where a broadcaster refers to deported Eritreans who are in Addis to reclaim their property as “those who had abandoned their properties and left.” There are several easy ways to argue this: (a) the broadcaster made a mistake but it is not a big deal; (b) the broadcaster does not represent the views of the government. Instead, what she did is to call her “mentor”, as she called it, and tell us that we didn’t hear what we heard.

            Here it is: it begins at the 8:42 mark

            http://www.ethiopian.tv/ethiopian-news-thursday-november-13-2014/

            3. Hayat has accused me of being a war-instigator (in multiple languages: in English and Tigrinya Tigray) and a person who hates Ethiopia. You don’t consider that offensive; in fact, you have joined in making the same accusation against me and people who share my views. But you consider me calling her a conveyer belt insulting and you are so disappointed. The reason I often ask you to abandon the moralizing aboy qeshi role is that you are really not good at it.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Saay,
            Correction and appreciaition:
            1) You seem to have understood as if I brought the Great Famine issue for discussion as a matter of my urgent priority. That is incorrect. It is nobody’s priority now let alone mine. Not even TPLF’s, I guess. What happened was, someone (it could be TKifle or…) brought it here for some reason and there were a couple of exchanges under that. Then I placed kind of a tangent note expressing how that story of blockade disturbed me every time mentioned and how I wished EPLF tells its version of explanation. My inner wish has always been for EPLF to falsify or deny that it never happened. I’ve no love left for EPLF?PFDJ but for some reason I wanted to beleive that story is from another region and not in ours. This remark from me was based on what I read and an emotional account of a personal discussion I had with Tigreans at different times. All the discussions were clouded by misconceptions of subtle implications that Eritreans were part of that because both Eritrean and the EPLF were silent about it,. So that was it, just one brief comment from me. Then after days,, Mahmuday revisited it accusing me of being biased about it. Since I thought Mahmuday could have very good information about the issue sensing from his strong opinion about it and believing he could fill the gap, I thought that it would be a good opportunity for us to get some light about it if Mahmuday from EPLF and TKifle from TPLF could discuss about it. I invited both to share with us what they knew. I asked my questions. I put forth whatever sense I could squeeze from their exchanges (to which you also contributed some) as a summary. There was nothing orchestrated and mischievous about it.
            2) The reason I gave you the link for the HRW report was because you were calling outloud to get it. I was quoting a lot of data and figure on the issue and you were complaining that I didn’t provide a link until Yesterday. So you asked for it. I posted it for you to rest the case for you and your doubting about the authenticity of the figure I was using.
            3) Yes, I can give an objective analysis on TPLF on any of their principles, policies, and actions as much as I possibly could know. Should your priority be discussing TPLF and not PFDJ, you can challenge me on that and you will get my views as objective as possible. So please stop portraying me as if I’m here to serve the Weyanes. I wish you always remember that whatever I say emanates from the Eritrean interest first. I’m short of ideas how I can make you believe me on that without undercutting my own views.
            4) Intellectually dishonest! I thought that was you, Sal. look at what you have been doing and putting me though these days. What did I do except expressing my views?! I truly believe you are deeply intellectual but equally a dishonest person. Though not mutually exclusive, if I’ve to choose between being dishonest intellectual and dumbly honest, I embrace the latter. Being one, I may not contribute great things to humanity but I cause no or little harm. When people are so dishonest and smart, that is dangerously lethal. Most evils of this world come from smart and dishonest people, not from the dumb and the fearless. Most great things of this world are from the wisely fearful and honest people, not from the fearlessly smart people.
            ——————–
            I appreciate what you said in the last paragraph.

            Hayat

          • tes

            Dear Gezae,

            You wrote, “I think she may be a fan or admirer of TPLF; but honestly speaking that is not a biggie.”

            Can you enlighten us on what you mean? Of course one can admire anything but considering Hayat Adem’s open call for intervention, isn’t it a big issue? How you are trying to minimize her line of thinking and her mechanism to support he lines?

            Just curious

            tes

    • Peace!

      Dear Hayat,

      The Jury has been waiting for the plaintif to show up and identify the defendant, Can you just REVEAL yourself and rest your case? I am sure that would save your preciouse time and energy. It is defendant’s fault for not asking the judge to dismiss the case, and move on.

      Regards

      • selam

        Dear peace
        The defendant has no question to aske , so case closed. All filies has to be transferred to the right full honer named Ghebru Asrat. Address Mekele. The defendant has requested to have enough space with his sentenced brother Ghebrekirstos.

        The prosecutor want to stress that , this verdict was the right decision. On the other side the victims families said that such tragedy shoul be a learning experience for the caming criminals.

        Hayat’s family (Bezabeh +weyane) ♥ to war is an questionable.

    • Abi

      Dear Hayat
      Very interesting piece. I used to think prof Gedion wrote that comment. I never , never in a million years expect this from Saay. Well, we live to learn.
      Thanks.
      ” meTalat alena misTir atnager,
      Metareq alena kifum atnager
      Stnor bezich alem yemishalew neger
      Bizu madameT new bizu kemenager”

      • saay7

        Selamat Abi:

        Nah, that was me: I was quite the wordsmith then:)

        Well, Abi, if you have never known the terror of the Ethiopian Air Force, how completely paralyzing it is (I had a tiny exposure to that; imagine the terror Eritreans lived under for decades.) In 1997, at Dehai, we used to make fun of our Eritrean Air Force which showed up on Eritrean skies on independence day (we called it a squadron of two.) You don’t know what it feels like to know (or to get news) that you may have a deterrent force after your capital city is bombed two days after you are given a take-it-or-leave-it peace offer. It was a short-lived sense of relief; in no small part because Isaias Afwerki was busy sabotaging the Eritrean Air Force.

        So, it is all back to normal now: we have no Air Force to speak of and, as your government is fond of reminding us, it owns Eritrea’s skies: it can fly anywhere, anytime and do anything. Fano, fano, etc.

        saay

        • Nitricc

          Hay SAAY; we stop training pilots and buying air crafts because the bright Weynae are sullying Eritrea with both. : – )
          Quality pilots ===check!
          State of art air crafts===check.
          So, SAAY tell me why Eritrea has to spend a penny? Do you what they say Why buy cow when the milk is free?

          • saay7

            Hey Cousin Nitricc:

            I don’t know about that. I was minding my own business thinking that for an Ethiopian pilot to defect to Eritrea there must be some discontent with Ethiopian Air Force but Hayat told us that the defector was a PFDJ agent because she “picked it up” from somewhere and thus it is now optimal time to bomb Eritrea (every day is a good day; every reason is a good reason) so that must be true. Even if it’s not true, if you are for PEACE you must believe it is true and if you don’t, you are for hate and eternal enmity between the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia.

            saay

        • Shum

          Saay,

          You said, “if you have never known the terror of the Ethiopian Air Force”, Phhhlease! You reformists just keep distorting history. You know good and well that the Ethiopian Air Force was dropping baby formula and toys for kids and food rations for the general populace. What, you’re afraid a plush toy was going to dent your head.

          During the border war, Ethiopia didn’t send jets to bomb Asmara as you falsely recollect. They were there to support the internal opposition logistically by dropping pamphlets. Damned if you, damned if you don’t. So your rewriting of history to make it seem like you were relieved to see that your country had air capabilities against an adversary with better air capability is utter nonsense.

          You just want war. That’s why you don’t support the armed opposition with the help of the Ethiopian government. Because they want to just “intervene” to help the people with no blood spilled whereas you, you want to keep the PFDJ in place. What was it the phrase you used, oh yeah, “HGDF kithaqiq alowa”. If that doesn’t convince the well meaning opposition of your reform goals, nothing will. Yeah, go ahead and see if my Tigrinya isn’t Eritrean enough for you or if the Shum in my nick means I descend from Agame or Timbien. I could care less.

          At this point, I’m not sure which category to put you in. Tes, Mizaan and I are meeting via Paltalk to go over this and come up with a special category for you. All Awatistas are encouraged to submit their selections and we will make a drawing. Of course Tes will have final say as the chairman of the board.

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear Gual Adem
      I believe you are a female, you may be born to an Eritrean family, but your fruits always fall on the other side. I hate to place you with proud and authentic Ethiopians like the great Fanti Ghana, Rahwa, TK, Horizon. amde, abrham, Oh and the ever collected dear Kim Hana and many others who make this forum more vibrant and colorful. As a person, I honestly don’t have a problem with you. We have debated on big issues; you are great. But in most cases the urge of promoting the narration of that small group takes the better of you. As far as your gender is concerned, I still believe you are a woman; I respect your passion and doggedness; keep it up. However, remember that even if you are an Eritrean-by-birth, that doesn’t automatically collect you the position of “representing” Eritrean interest. When considering public opinion, you, all of us, and particularly those who have chosen to remain anonymous, will earn assumed “citizen” prominence based on what we write. In this regard, Your comments are directed more to the undermining of Eritrean aspirations more than at PFDJ; and more so in demoralizing Eritreans than in giving them hope and tools to fight for their rights. I have consistently complained about you, and your very small adoring circle for being a drag force on efforts Eritreans continue doing to undo damages that have been exacted by PFDJ. I feel more comfortable exchanging views with openly Ethiopian discussants than with someone who plays a trickster role. I have told you several times that the sheep feel more comfortable with a jackal in his own skin than one in a sheep’s skin. Biology doesn’t work here, where you are born is not an issue; what you fight for is the issue. You are fighting for a specific Ethiopian class, a class that wants to see a dismantled Eritrea. You shed a crocodile tears for our young people, yet you don’t hesitate calling for a war, you keep stoking an oven where those children are going to get charred; the past carnage is not enough for you; what’s all this for? Just to see the undoing of Eritrea. That’s why I don’t care if you are born to an Eritrean blood. To me there is no difference between an Ethiopian and Eritrean blood. I cant even place you with folks like Aboy Sebhat, not with Fanti, not with TK, not with Kim Hana…those guys are all responsible. And they have reminded you time and again: Not in our name.
      This is not a skirmish between you and Saleh; you have been getting similar responses all along as far as I can remember (almost a year since my joining this forum). All what we are saying is don’t imposter; take off your hoaxer clock. I respect your idol YG because he doesn’t pretend representing Eritrean interest. He has made it clear he speaks for the interest of Habesha (particularly Kebessa Christian). I respect for his openness, there is no confusion in what he represents or on what he believes he represents.
      It’s dangerous when your view is so myopic (Habesha-centered) yet you sow, here and there, claims that seem to be representative of Eritrea, like your calls for Ethiopian intervention to unseat PFDJ. What you have written so far could earn you admirations from the usual quarters, but no decent Ethiopian will support it; they have reminded you time and again about this issue. So my dear, you neither represent Eritrean justice seeking camp, nor decent Ethiopians. You represent a unique club, with a very dangerous trends, one that has assumed Eritrea as Habesha, and sees Ethiopia (96 million souls) as Habesha, and therefore, promotes this “we are the same people, border is insignificant, sovereignty is a joke…our land is the hands of our brothers, they will give us when we get rid of PFDJ; Eritrean flag is just a another sheet…yada…yada..yada…”
      Your avatar reads “cooperation” and I certainly believe the time is giving us signs of cooperation. That’s based on mutual respect and done by two sovereign governments. I hope to see that happening, because the people of the region deserve that. I have repeated my belief that if cadres and demagogues like you, from both sides, could busy themselves doing something else, the villagers along the border would sort it out peacefully.
      So the challenge Saleh is coming up with is simple. He’s telling you that you are neither an Eritrean, a female, nor a Muslim. Going back to what Saleh said during the war is not an answer to either of the above. Saleh is a public figure; his writings and activities testify that he is number one anti PFDJ; he paid so dearly for this position (again, the price he paid for standing against PFDJ is public); yet you try to insinuate as if he is a PFDJ in disguise. That’s a waste of your time. People have already made their opinions on Saleh (may be a decade ago) based on what he stood for and his public activities. It’s not smart of you to waste your time on creating a new saleh. You may be a gifted orator, but that works only within your comfort zone, when you preach TPLF-2 ideology. So again, what’s your answer to SaleH’s challenge?
      My advice is to ignore him and do what you do best; continue your pretention. Or come out and tell us who you are. Other than that, dancing around articles that were written more than a decade and half is not going to serve a purpose in addressing the challenge he posed. Because:
      a/ You are taking them out of context
      b/ People change, we learn and improve. SaleH of that time is not the same saleH of today, nor he will remain the same Saleh decades to come (Hamahu Allah). So, the man has been in the spot light, and we judge him by what he writes and does. We are judging you by what you are writing. Just cut it off and do the honorable thing: continue doing what you are doing, just ignore us; I don’t know if you are breaking the GLs. Or tell us who you are. I have no doubt you are not anti-PFDJ; I am confident you are anti-Eritrea. And that’s at the core of the issue. Don’t pretend as if you are part of the just seeking camp and keep undermining it. You will get more respect by openly declaring you mission is the one and the same mission your idol has been advancing. A bankrupt mission.

      • saay7

        Mahmuday:

        Thanks for staying classy and stay in the Truth-Bound Society (TBS)…

        Quick points:

        (a) Notwithstanding the latter attempts to wrap them into articles, dehai.org was a discussion bulletin and what we wrote were, for the most part, spontaneous posts like the ones we are doing here. I don’t make it a habit to read what I wrote a year ago, much less 17 years ago so I leave that to Hayat: the world hasn’t moved an inch from 1998 for her. Life was good then Eritrea “invaded” Ethiopia. And Eritrea invaded Ethiopia because Saleh (excuse me, Saleeh) wrote articles at Dehai.org.

        (b) The nationality-bending, religion-bending Tigrinya post she wrote was in December 2014. I had suspicions before that, because it is rare (unheard of) that an Eritrean supports the Ethiopian position 100% of the time.(That post itself was triggered by my criticism of Ethiopian media of describing the deported Eritreans who had returned to Ethiopia as “those who had abandoned their properties and left” and, you will recall, she put on her Sherlock Holmes hat to “investigate” which generally means, I know the TPLF is innocent: so who is guilty?)

        As you remember, January, February, March I was in sabbatical and I was pretty much done with her. Then came her post, out of the blue, regarding the 1987-88 Ethiopian famine where she, self-proclaimed peace advocate that she is, had no blame to assign to Derg, had minor blame to assign to TPLF (for not yelling at EPLF loudly enough), and most of the blame to the EPLF for denying passage to “hundreds of thousands” of Ethiopians access to Sudan. Now, if you recall, you were telling your first-hand account, I was citing sources like John Young who attributed the disaster on the Derg (of course) and with some on the TPLF (for disorganization and, according to its dissidents, using Tigrayan peasants as political football) and she had no sources to cite…but then she stumbled on the famous HRW account “EVIL DAYS: 30 YEARS OF WAR AND FAMINE IN ETHIOPIA” and she just couldn’t bring herself to cite it because it didn’t support her narrative: blame EPLF for everything; absolve TPLF of everything: and that’s how we will have peace between the fraternal people of Eritrea and Ethiopia.

        You are not going to get an honest reply about her identity: it’s like asking an undercover agent to tell you who he is: it compromises his mission. And, as a veteran Tegadalai, you know how important that is. The mission is: blame Eritreans, Eritrea, EPLF, PFDJ for EVERYTHING; absolve Ethiopians, Ethiopia, TPLF of EVERYTHING. That mission can only have some hope of success if and only if the person pushing it is perceived to be Eritrean. The female, Muslim is just extra.

        saay

      • Hayat Adem

        Mahmuday,
        Stay level headed as always. No exceptions. I din’t say I represent any one another even by headcount let alone millions of Eritreans. I don’t. I’m aware my call for Ethiopian help is as unpopular as it can get on both sides of the river. Every time I bring this subject has never been to solicit or enlarge support towards that call. It is always to explain when someone asks something about it or tries to misrepresent it. Though I still strongly believe that it is the best way and the lesser evil option, I’m not campaigning on it. My comments about it are always by way of reaction. You will not hear or read me initiating this issue unless when responding to someone.

  • Kim Hanna

    Selam Abi,
    .
    Happy Easter.
    That is funny, both your parents must be Gonderes. They compliment each other, so well.
    .
    K.H

  • Rahwa T

    Dear Sara,

    In my mind when I said n*esti, it was like saying little sister (n’esti). Nothing bad in it at all.

  • tes

    Dear Awatistas,

    The lesson we can learn from the Habesha case is now very clear and well demarcated.

    Habeshanism is a vague idea that has morphed nationality with identity, culture with tradition, way of living with way of thinking etc. It has spoiled the notion of nationilty to a level that the partisans of grand mama Ethiopia used to advance one of the historically closed plan to form Eri-Ethio merged country called “Ethiopia”.

    Habeshanism became a way of communication in today’s Eri-Ethio politics. Fanaticism of of political hegemony surpased all the available scales of modern country make-up.

    Let me first state my stand on the word ‘habesha”.

    Normally I categorize the word “habesha” into two scales of references.

    1. Habesha as a general term

    2. Habesha as identity

    Let me then start with the first.

    1. Habesha as a general term

    Habesha is a nick-name given by other people (the Arabs) to the people who were living and still are living within today’s geographical location. The area covers the highlands of Eritrea and Ethiopia. I can not say those people identified themselves as “habesha” till they started to migrate and started to be identified as “habesah” by the Arabs.

    If we say, “Negro” to all Africans with black skin is a name or an identity exemplifier for people originated from Africa so is Habesha to the people who came from the mentioned above location of today’s Eritrea and Ethiopia.

    As today people can proudly say, “I am Neger” so is the notion ‘”habesha” with a similar connotation.

    Today, the word “habesha” is indiscriminatory outside the actual geographical location it was originated from. After such a long time, after migration intensified, people started to accept “Habesha” as a common identifier. Before people of the horn faced social catastrophe trade was so common between the people across the sea. The other society were mainly agriculturalists and had contacts with other people and the word habesha was unheard to them and hence never identified themselves as “habesh” but other.

    2. Habesha as identity

    The Arabs didn’t give the word “habesh” from no-where. There were distinctive characters. There were traits that made these people different from others. Values, tradition, culture, language, skills and properties could be mentioned to the least.

    If one society can be ideintifed with certain characterstics, then it is obvious that a descriptive name, “adjective” will be given. Naming can be either originated from the people themselves or from outsiders. In case of Habesha, I didn’t come across any historical references that traces the origin of this name is owned by the people who are named as such. Rather there are well documented historical narrations who talk about these people by refering them as Habesh. Hence, habesha was originally a nick-name/adjective given to certain group of people with well defined characters.

    Today, these people use different language: Tigrigna and non-tigrigna speaking people, different religion: christians and Moslems, different countries: Eritrea. and Ethiopia, and very recently more countries are lived by these people, USA, EU, Canada, The middle East, and deep to the rest of African countries.

    Within Eritrea for example, some Tigrait speaking people and Bilen speaking people associate themselves with families who are originated from the land of Habesaha though they are not called as “habesha” specifically. Within the same language speaking people, for example, Tigrigna, there are people who don’t characterize themselves as Habesha but belong to other societies.

    To conclude,

    Habesha is a virtual identity that came into existence way before the Axumite kingdom era. It became a strong identifier after the introduction of Islam religion and the Arabs magnified the hospitality and justice of the habesha people. The habesha people are considered as honest and peace loving people and hence are well known about who they are and from where they come from.

    Neither all Eritreans nor all Ethiopians are included within this notion. The people who are identifed long time ago as “habesha” by the Arabs today share big number among the Eritreans and Ethiopians.

    In Eritrea, it is hard to know who identify himself as habesha. Jeberti for example, among the Tigrigna speaking moslem society of Eritrea have distinctive characters that make them appear different from the other Tigrigna speaking people. But I never heard them as describing themselves as hebesha people. Islam has hude influence on the living and language terminologies used by Jeberti. I know for example one of the holy places visited by Jeberti people near mendefera, “Abi-Adi” near Mendefera. I visited several times as my brother was living there during his military service days. What I observed was quite interesting and different. The Tigrigna language they speak has different dialect and lots of formal word use. In addition, dressing is different. Housing and and way of living is not different from the other people that I obseved.

    I also know know a village in Anseba called “Mai-Deresse”, -Dembe-slam” to be specific,near Dersenai where Mustafa Nurhusien was born. The Jeberti people from Mai-Deresse” – today live mostly in Keren, some in Akordat and few in Asmara. I know these people very well because I was born in the same village. Probably SGJ and Saay7 may know about this village.

    I am bringing these examples to mantion that I never heard the word “habesha” being iterated like what SGJ is now saying. All I know was, “they are proud Jeberti” not habesha. Indeed, the lineage of Jeberti is traced back straight to today’s Tigrai. As one can not be a jew through adoption, the same holds true to Jeberti.

    To summarize:

    Habeshanism is is like Negroism.

    If Negroism is defined as “advancement of the interests of black people : advocacy of the cause of equal rights for black people”

    Habeshanism can be defined as “Advancement of the interest of the Ethiopian and Eritrean people: advocacy of the cause of equal rights for Eritrean and Ethiopian people.”

    Beyond that, it has nothing to do with historical definitions. It is a doctrine that merges two people together and shatters the existence of state-hood. People may honestly defend the word “habesha” like SGJ is doing but I can only say it is naivity. Habeshanism is now a corrupted doctrine, better an ideology that is aimed to unite people using one culture and tradition. Though in its true sense, it could have served for good as its historical records show, such as hospitality, peace loving, trust, lutual respect, etc, today, as a corrupted doctrine and a new ideology holding its pillar as an advancement of “Bigger mama Ethiopia” it buries all the good values of habesha and advances its mission through war and aggression.

    Unless we are able to differentiate between hebesha as true values of its original meaning and respect the people who identify themselves as habesha and see beyond for an existence of two countries with their own rights to exist, habeshanism will be the next war of identity that will be errupted for the only dream that existed since the 19th C to form Mama Ethiopia.

    The people of Eritrea and Ethiopia could have used the values of the original meaning of habeshanism as it is testified in the Holy Qur’an: the identity that was identified by Prophet Muhammad, the peace loving people and trusted people. It was neither a doctrine nor a political agenda. It was a name given to people to describe who they are, the name only given as an honor.

    Therefore, I see Habesha at two levels. habesha as an identity given by other people but no one identified himself as such but accepted the description and as corrupted doctrine that is aimed to advance the hegemony of Mama Ethiopia that is aimed at engulfing the mind of state-hood to form ONE NATION called Ethiopia. I ACCEPT the original form but I reject the later.

    A testimony:

    Jeberti – people who are living inside Eritrea today are peace loving, trusted, honest, skillful and very religious people whom my family lived among and whom I shared some of their hospitality. these people before lived in the are identified by the Arabs as the land of habesha and hence are Habesha. They were exiled from their original place because of their religious beliefs. The good thing about these people, they carried their values and still they are the peace living, genereous people in their new land. They speak Tigrigna but with different dialect as it is heavily influenced by Islam Religion. But the true essence remains.

    tes

    ++ I have different take on the Jeberti people grievances and I hope I will talk next time in broad but at this time I can say PFDJ has down played with them to fight for an identity. Jeberti are known people in Eritrea but the struggle they are doing to be identified as an Ethnic group is falling to the politics of PFDJ. In a free and democratic society, people have a free choice to be identified themselves in what ever they want. A right to organize and be identified as you want is one of the basic ammendments of human rights. Jeberti people, instead of fighting the dictatorial regime and system that denies all human rights, they are wasting valuable energy and time to define their identity. Jeberti identity is known to everybody. Hence, I call these people to end PFDJ and let basic human rights be installed.

    In democratic countries for example like USA, if you want to be registered as an Ethnic group and bring a letter of claim, no one cares about the other details. As far as you fullfill the constitutional obligation, you are granted. It is in this notion that people have Eritrean community, different organizations etc. If I have a right to be called Tesfabirhan Weldegabir, I should have also a right to be identified as what ever I wanted to be at larger level.

    Therefore, I call people to end PFDJ rule and fight for a democracy and a right for people to be identified in what ever they want. As far as the law of the land is democratic, anything that takes within the land by respecting the rights of the is right. PFDJ system will not allow it and hence let’s “WEED-OUT” PFDJ.

    • selam

      Dear Tes
      i was looking for you and comment about this habesha thing, here you are, thanks for telling the true nature of the word. You have said all and i do not want to spoil it by putting my harish words against the mama Ethiopia .

    • Dayphi

      To start from where you ended about jeberties, they will continue their struggle not just for equal roghts like all people of Eritrea but for educating you and people like you who distort the history of jeberties. You should be humble enough to learn about jeberties from the jeberties themselves not from what esayas says about jeberties. I.e. they all came from Tigrai. That is not true. Infact most Hamassien and Akele guzai jeberties came from addi shuhu and and zaila3 area they just adopted to the language and lifestyle of the area they migrated. You summed it like they all came from one village in Tigrai,as esayas wants you tobelievewhere he said to the effect if the jeberties want their identity be recognized, they should return to the village they came from Tigrai and demand for their rights from woyanes. Next time you speak about jeberties, please consult jeberty historians or check with jeberti.com.
      you also said ” they are proud jeberties” not Habeshas. Again wrong about jeberties because, as i said earlier it depends where they came from.MOST jeberties i know are PROUD HABESHAS and i gave the example of the two jeberty jewls in saudia, whos taylor shops were identified by their Habashism.

    • Dayphi

      To start from where you ended about jeberties, they will continue their struggle not just for equal roghts like all people of Eritrea but for educating you and people like you who distort the history of jeberties. You should be humble enough to learn about jeberties from the jeberties themselves not from what esayas says about jeberties. I.e. they all came from Tigrai. That is not true. Infact most Hamassien and Akele guzai jeberties came from addi shuhu and and zaila3 area they just adopted to the language and lifestyle of the area they migrated. You summed it like they all came from one village in Tigrai,as esayas wants you tobelievewhere he said to the effect if the jeberties want their identity be recognized, they should return to the village they came from Tigrai and demand for their rights from woyanes. Next time you speak about jeberties, please consult jeberty historians or check with jeberti.com.
      you also said ” they are proud jeberties” not Habeshas. Again wrong about jeberties because, as i said earlier it depends where they came from.MOST jeberties i know are PROUD HABESHAS and i gave the example of the two jeberty jewls in saudia, whos taylor shops were identified by their Habashism.

      • Dayphi

        ااخياط الحبشي .. the Abyssinian taylor. Just because they demanded to be know as jeberty ethnicity doesnt diminish their identity as Habashas, at least of most of them as i know it from my first hand contact with them. I hope to see this sickness of mispresenting jeberties end soon and let the jeberties talk for themselves. I also call on jeberties to be available to tell their history and origin in more advanced and unison way.
        You went into a great length to tell us the name HABESHA was given to us by Arabs and that you cant say the people identied themselves as such and you went to agreaaaat length in that as an alien nick name. Hmmmmmm. Tell you what? Regardless who first cpined that nickname, we love it, we lived it for millenia and still LIVING it in Eritrea and Ethiopia. No need to politicise that beautiful name. If you want go after the word ” Eritrea ” as an imperialist baptized name, get a new name to this land we call Eritrea, and if it sounds more local and more uniting to eritreans, i will support you
        thanks bro

        • Dayphi

          Sorry brother tes. Kemey hadirka. I should have started my comment with my customary greeting. SamiHni please.

          • tes

            Dear Dayphi,

            First of all, my take is on the corrupted political doctrine of habeshanism. I believe habeshanism today is an equal term with that of Negroism. As much as Negers are proud of their skin colour and tradition as a whole, the newly growing Habesha identity among the diaspora people is becoming a culture of exiled people with different culture and tradition but as a unifying factor and to advocate it as a new identity is fine as far as it doesn’t go beyond.

            When I say beyond, I am keeping in mind those people who don’t describe themselves as owners of habesha culture in its original form.

            To be frank, I don’t have any qualms if the exiled people living in USA, EU and others cultivate a unifying culture called “Habesah” as it can give them a new identity that can unite them as an idetifying factor in the newly established land. It is good at least to create a new and unting culture in a remotely and highly dispered society. Bqck home, habesha is a sub-set within the grand state.

            To come back to your point:

            What keeps ;e worried is that the Jeberti people bought too much frome the marxist politics of ELF/EPLF and now PFDJ. Ethnicity is of Marxist-Leninist-Maoist political game. Revolutionaries use ethnicity to advance their system of administration.

            The sub-system they use comes under the package of social revolution. Marxists-Lenisists-Maoists-Issaiasists use “Racism and Ethnicity” in their center of political domination as they want to minimize cultural differences. They introduce clustering sytem so that diversity can be minimized. Once they define the territory, then they advance their doctrination.

            The use the defined ethnic clusters during their cultural propaganda. What saddens most is that no one cares for the exisiting culture as the objective is to homognize society through constant brainwashing. They destroy values and introduce new revolutionary culture. There provide same and uniform logistics (such as housing, food and clothes) so that finally people will be forced to develop a new way of living. when they see people behaving in the same manner, they call it a “Social Revolution”.

            The contradicting reality is that though people evolve naturally they are forced to revolve and hence turn around. This is what it does revloution.

            In Eritrea, the revolution we did has expanded into an area where the people never imagined before. Beside its main objectives of freedom struggle, it went deep into the land-use system revolution and cultural revolution. This was done after trying to adapt the Chinese and other revolutionary principle.

            Chinese revolution had different dimension. First, it was set-up to end Japanese domination but later on on the cultural revolution of the 1960s. This time was coincided with time where DIA was there. And I am quite sure this period has huge influence to adopt the chinese model.

            I am talking about this because the Jeberti case is a victim of racism and ethnicity politics of marxism. The people who advance such kind of identity politics are direct victims of such revolutions. Jeberti was clustered as Tigrigna speaking people under the nezly established ethnical category of Tigrigna.

            The sad part of it, people took it as political rght to fight for ethnicity.

            What makes sad is that, instead of abolising the greater ideology that let them down to think and fight for identity, they accepted the classification system of the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist ideology and wanted to be listed within the classification.

            Dear Dayphi, let me ask you this:

            In countries like USA or Australia or Sweden or UK, in a place where large number and influencial people of Jeberti live, did the governments of these nations refused them if they register themselves as ” Jeberti as an Ethnic” group?

            I really want to hear this, if any of the Jeberti people asked to be registered as Jeberti Ethnic group, are they refused?

            My answer is “NO COUNTRY WILL REFUsE FOR YOUR CLAIM” And this is with 99.90 % probability.

            Therefore, Jeberti are victims of first revolutionaries ideology and so are during the PFDJ administration. PFDJ is still in his old guerrilla politics.

            For a rule that respects humanity, Racism, Ethnicism, Tribalism are no more from identification. Humanity is much bigger than those categories. If one there is democracy, people have a free choice to be identified, be them as groups or individuals and YET all live in harmony but with diversity. Diversity is not li;ited to clothes and dances. Diversity includes everything.

            How one can imagine the respect of culture and identity if every entity, including housing design style, food, clothes and schools are rationed with using same logistics? PFDJ controls everything and finally, if it continues to exist, the people of Eritrea will loss everything they own and will be state controlled. No diversity and hence no cultural difference and ethnicity.

            Countries lead by dictators don’t like diversity. They like uniformity. This is the reason for PFDJ to introduce Sawa and is now advancing to his level best.

            Dear Dayphi, let’s think at humanity level and appreciate our diversity. To tell you the truth, let even Eritrea has 100+ ethnic groups. It will be so beautiful to see different colors.

            If some body thinksm he is Habesha, let him be. According to human rights basic law of respect, every individual has a right to be who he is. This means, there will not imposition. The rule of law will only ask him to get registered as such.

            I am living in France and still I keep my identity.

            The same will hold true if Eritrea is a free and democratic country. And hence freedom.

            Concerning history of Jeberti people, I have mentioned good places and even a place that is considered as Holy by Jeberti people near Mendefera. Their history goes way beyond the simple historical narrations we hear today.

            concerning their origin, let SGJ talk about it but I think they trace back their family lineage to Tigrai. What I sure about is that recently they were victims of Ethiopian warlords and forced them to migrate deep into the territories of Eritrea. But I would like to hear and learn more about the Jeberti Anthropology (Hi SGJ or saay7, is there any book that I can read in detail).

            What I can also confidently say, one can not be jeberti by adoption. It is of familial in nature.

            To link Jeberti and Habesha, well, yes they are Habesha. They belong to the geographical location, they are among the people who are described by Arabs as Habesha. And still they maintain what was said before about these people.

            Dear Dayphi, don’t take it as an exclusive link between habesha and jebereti. Habesha also includes other people like Amhara and Tigriyna speaking of Ethiopia and Eritrea. Jeberti are one of them. One thing clear though, these is a cultural difference between these people who accepted to be called as Habesha.

            Amhara people will have a different version of Habesha so as the Tigriyna speaking people. One common character they have though, their hospitality is magnificient.

            Looking into the Amhara and the other Tigriyna speaking people except Jeberti, they are all war mongering people. Recenlty, Amharas fledged war without mercy and so are the Tigryna speaking of both Eritrea and Ethiopia.

            @kokhobselam:disqus I don’t know why but habesha people like wars equally as they do for peace. The Koboro war junkies that we hear to day from like Semere Andom and Hayat Adem is of no exception. They like aggression and rumors of war. Can you enlighten me why they do so?

            Dear Dayphi, finally, I would like to ask you about the fate of Jeberti lead movement of Alnahda Party. If PFDJ accepts Jeberti as an ethnic, will they stop their struggle and be incorporated to the PFDJ junta by liquidating their party? I am asking this because in one of their central objectives, the Jeberti issue is very significant.

            tes

          • Dayphi

            Dear tes
            Glad you cleared jeberties are habeshas. Probably i misuderstood you earlier when you said they are proud jeberties but not habashas. Pardon me please. As for al nahda party, it is one of the 30 + political opposition parties we Eritreans have in Diaspora with their political stands and charters that opposes the dictatorial regime of esayas and HIGDEF policies. Being of majority Jeberties, and the receiving end of esayas and fudamental Tigrinia speaking elites who have seen them down for generations, they demand their rights, as an independent ethnic of Eritrean fusaifusa ( i dont know/ remember the English word) be recognized by all. And indeed they are recognized by all minus the tigrinia speaking racists who are in power in Asmara regime. They want to continue keeping them as Tigrinia Biher to give that biher the majority over Bani 3aamir, the traditional majority tribe of Eritrea . In other words, Tigrinia speaking elites are using jeberties as their pawn card to keep the over 90 % of government jobs under their turf. For that, no wonder they been advised repeatedly to drop their demand of been recognized as separate ethnic from Tigrinia. As far as jeberties are concerned, Tigrinia is NOT a tribe or a nation or ethnicity, but a lingua franka spoken by many ethnics or tribes in the highlands, including, but not restricted to Jeberties, Neberas, city Asawortas/
            Sahos, Habeshites, Ag’azanites, Mernonites, etc.
            but if others all want to be known as ” Tigrinias “, they dont care, solong they are respected and accepted by the name they chose to be addressed. I.e. JEBERTI.
            and yes, Jeberties struggle against HIGDEF and esayasism will continue hand on hand with ALL Eritrean deqqebbat and honorable tribes who are strangulated and marginalized by this godless regime and his deqqe mezamurt.
            Thank you again brother tes for your clarification.

          • Dayphi

            Almaany.com translates fusaifusa as ” mosaic.” Hmmmm. Does it have anything to do with jewish laws or or the 12 tribes of bani Israel?.. If so, jeberties are NOT one of the 12 tribes…..lol

          • tes

            Dear Dayphi,

            Are you afraid that much of words. Mosaic according to its conceptual meaning is the beautity within different colour combinations, beautiy in diversity.

            And accodrding to cambrigde advanced dictionary,

            Mosaic is a pattern or picture made using small pieces of coloured stone or glass.

            Don’t be so much scared about the Jews tribe pal.

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Dayphi,

            My take in ethnic based struggle is clear by now I think. I love rule of law, I love diversity. If there is rule of law, even a single person can call himself as an ethnic group let alone a group of people. Let our cultural diversity flourish.

            Spending two years on studying European Trandtional Foods in particular and World foods in general, I came to learn that Europe is so reach in culture and tradition. Even at world leve, there is an on-going trade agreements commonly called Lisbon Agreement that is believed to impact our way of thinking towards food identity and consumption. Even USA, after long struggle with EU, now they are introducing labeling food in relation to its identity. It willl be a big revolution once USA formally opens her door on labeling foods based on tradition and origin.

            From the lesson I learned, identity description is not a handicap for development but an added advantage. Hence, within Eritrea, if people want to be identified in what ever they want, according to my politics, it is very welcomed. Even let in the future my family create an ethnic group called “tes” or Awate ethnic group to symbolize the resistance of this brave man who stood for justice.

            What I oppose in my politics is:

            Those who use ethnicity as their political agenda and hence divide the people. This political program is weak in its nature and mainly derived from grievances of political oppressions. I can’t see any well constructive motive to form political parties that advance for rights of ethnic groups and create federal kind of administration within it. Jeberti for sure will not well come such concepts as they don’t have a defined region but a defined culture unless there will be a new system of federalism that is based on culture and tradition.

            Therefore, my take is, in a democratic society, ethnic politics is absent. People may organize in associations and advance their cause. but to form political parties based on ethnic politics is simple an outcome of Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Issaiaist ideological reaction. Once such ideologies that cluster people for the sake of political agenda is gone for ever, people will realize that there is an absolute right to be identified as you want without imposing sanction into the others.

            And thank you for bringing the Bini-Amir case. do they also have a political party that is aimed to fight for the rights of Beni Amir people to establish an ethnic group?

            Dear Dayphi,

            These social grievances can only be solved through civic societies like ELL. ELL will be a big asset if they really work on the grievances of the lowland people by not touching the sovereignity issue. Within Eritrea, every citizen can have a right to be who he is if the rule of law prevails. But the rule of law should common to all and to do that lets fight all together by bringing our collective grievance to the forefront.

            Unless we sit together, certain group of people will not succeed in solving their grievances as it may touch also for others. In Eritrea, similar cases are present like that of Jeberti though due to luck of resources, they are not well equiped to make it heard.

            tes

          • destaa

            Selam Dayphi,
            Your explanation forced me to remember my muslim friend from the Amhara region who believes he is Jeberti but they are officially known as Amhara. His point is Amharic is a language and Amhara is simply Christian. This point was ones raised in a debate between the late PMMZ and Prof Mesfin Weldemariam. MZ said there is Amhara ethnicity and the muslims case in Welo is created due to Oromo expansion. But in my readings, there were Muslims there before the mentioned expansion. IN my view Jeberties in Ethiopia are also dispersed across other ethnic groupd like Tigray, Amhara, Gurage etc. I will be happy to hear your view.
            This is the video
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkh6jg0ree4

          • Dayphi

            Selam Gashie destaa.
            wow! Every day we learn something new. May Allah bless this awate.com; the Centre of Higher Education in all fields.
            1- The Talk Show: I envy you and your system that led to having such civilized discussion of controversial issues with opposing views guests even if one of the guests is the PM of the nation.i.e. Amara versus degegna. I see Ethiopia also have/ had such identity questions. If any, this talk show, from my limited understanding of amharic only
            fortifies the stand of Eritrean
            Jeberties, that Tigrinia, as far as they are concerned, is only a mode of communication of communication and not a nationality; same as the prof claiming about amarigna versus degegna. Az for the word AMARA coined by Hibrew visitors, guess what? I buy Me gistu Hailemariam’s explanation i.e.ama= people, hara= hills/ mountains. Almost similar meani g with the sister language arabic. Omma – امة – nation………. Harra- حرة ( ح with fat’Ha) meaning a land or place strong, black stones/ rocks excavated from. Usually hills.

          • Dayphi

            2— As i mentio ed earier to br. Tes, most jeberties in Eritrea came from Zaila3 thru Dankalia and semhar. Those who sook refugee from the Emperor Yohannes regime and his proclamation of forced christianization ( Zemen Kestnu) are negligeable.
            3— The jeberties i know most, who have contact with me are the ” Aquiliyyon Jeberties.” They are the descendants of Sayidna Aquil ibn Abi Talib ( RA ) the cousin of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. So, Jeberty is their designation or surname, while their pedigree or ancestory is Hashemites, Qureshites.
            A great saint by the name Abdurrahman ibn Ismael, ibn Dawood ( Darood ) Al- Jeberty, Al- Aquily was born in 9th. or 10th. Century ( CE ) in Zabeed, Yemen. He was the Chief sufi of the Qadiriyah Order in his area. Snd moved with some of his followers to ZEILA3, Somalia. He had Five male children who flourished in number with their descendants and dispersed allover the Horn Of Africa from Pgaden to Djibouti, Efat/ Adal Sultanate

          • Dayphi

            Dankalia, se.har, and all “habesha” highlands. They adopt to the language and lifestyle of the places they reside. Jeberties were ALWAYS bi lingual untill the onslaught of arabic starting from Haile sellassie regime till the aremenawi regime of esayas made them lose their touch with their ancestoral language. Till the time i left Eritrea in mid 70th. Sermons of Friday, Eid, after salats, were deliveted in Asmara in Arabic. It was a unifying language of ALL muslims of different tribes. As such, the el Azhar graduated Saho scholars didnt have any problem in teaching whether in Asmara or any Jeberty concentrated towns or villages. Even Shaikh Ghawthaddin ( RA ) from Afghanistan didnt have any communication problem whenhe lived and led congregations in Massawa and Asmara. The Sahos and Yemenites taught jeberty students in Ma3hadd Addin al Islami And in Jaliah al Arabiyya. Even Mahmudai’s idol, ustath Al Amin Abdel Lateef was educator there.
            T3um Zemen, T3um keybelkayyo yiHallif. Ya Hasrataah!
            3– being interested in Aquiliyyoon Jeberties should not be u derstood as my rejection of the other jeberties.I just have no much knowledge of them.
            I admit there are Habeshites and Ag3azites who became jeberties. What happens is, as soon as they embrace Islam, they inter-marry with their muslim neighbors and their children become automatically Jeberties, as the children of Ismael ALAIHIS SALLAM became arabized arabs. ( Ismael wasnt Arab when he came to Mecca. The Jurhum tribe taught him arabic, He married into the tribe and was blessed with 12 great sons who became the chiefs and ancestors of most Arabs, THE ADNANIES, unlike the Qahtanies of yemen.BZA3BA ESMAEL DMMA, TZELOTKA SEMI3E ALLEKHU. ENNEHO BARIKHEYYO ALLEKHU. KEFRIYON AZYE KHA’A KEBZEHON EYYE. 3ASSERTEW KLITTE SHUM KWELLID EYYU. 3ABIY HIZBI DMMA KHGEBRO EYYE.[ ZefiTret 17:20 ].

          • Dayphi

            6- If there are jeberties as a result of marriage between theearly muslim migrants and locals of Axum Dynasty era or Habesha Highlanders, i can belive it, but need to know more about them.
            Finally, most genealogies are passed to generations thru verbal transmission . No all geneologies and keens are accepted by all, even when it comes to James and the other brothers of jesus christ AlaihisSallam. But it is generally accepted by humans that PEOPLE ARE TRUSTED OF THEIR GENEOLOGY. Unless they are looking for special prerogatives or control others by claiming to be superior of the others..then double checki g and probably a thorough enquiry will be warranted.
            My concluzion ato destaa, indeed jeberties are despersed allover places in ethiopia and in eritrea, the whole horn of Afri a. Yemen, Hijaz, and Oman

    • Fanti Ghana

      Hello Professor,
      Tes, this could have been an article if you could add a couple more paragraphs and proof read.
      For the record by the way, I never use the word Habesha in its academic or historical context, but simply to refer to someone from the political boundaries of Ethiopia and Eritrea. I never thought about it to the extent we are talking about it these days. So, when someone I like says they are not Habesha I am clueless on how to refer to them in such a way that makes me feel we belong to each other.

      Its like someone you know for a long time and you like very much and you call them Hawei MeArey all the time and this one morning they wakeup and say “hey Fanti I am your friend but not your brother” as a matter of fact. That’s when you turn your “don’t you know how much I love” song and crank up the volume while deep down struggling whether to say it or not: አነ ወዲ መኳንነቲ፣ ወዲ ነገስቲ፣ ወዲ ሐረስቲ፣ ወዲ ቀደስቲ ወደስቲ፤ ወዲ ስባጋድስ ወዲ ሹም ወልዱ’ኳ ሓወይ ኢለካስ ከፊኡካ? ፅናሕ ከሪአካንድየ….
      Anyway, let’s not forget how religion may have played a role in narrowing down the Habesha land to its current size.
      Selam.

      • tes

        Dear Fanti Ghana,

        First, thank you for your compliment.

        Concering the depth of discussion, I think in different forms, the word habesha has been discussed in detail. This is part of the sea of knowledge we have about Habesha.

        Habesha as an identity is narrowly defined in Eritrea as far as I know. Not because PFDJ restricted it, but people rather talk on family tree and values. The culture was with the people, the language was with the people. No one used them as a dividing line between different cultures. Rather, people who speak the same language were proud to describe who they are. And the society knows who is who based on family lineage. Habesha back-home was used in different ways and mostly it refers for foreigners and this could be the influence of Arab culture in one hand and the location of the people.

        For example, the Blin people call Habesha as Deshkilya. And to some extent, it is derogatory word. The Tigriyna speaking highlanders also refer themselves in different ways. There are people around Adi-kuala, like Kuhayin, who don’t refer themselves as habesha but as Kohayinetay. And those around Tserona, they use words like Shimejanam etc.

        If you go to Areza, near Mendefera city, they are different cultural performance that distinguish them from other Tigrigna speaking people.

        Before, migration was so common to the middle east and especially Yemen and Saudi Arabia. People who crossed these areas are referred as Habesha, literally can be taken as someone who came from remote areas and has unique characters to differentiate from the others. Just like that of Indians and perisians. And anyone who reaches in those areas is called as Habehs. I don’t know if the Afar people are also refered as habesha? Some one can enlighten me.

        Today, migration is far from the middle east. As people and they took the identification system used by the Arabs to ask anybody who reached in the foreign land as “are you Habesha?” It is the same way used by the Arabs to identify these people.

        You are wondering if such distinctive is a dividing line between the already existing brotherhood. No Fanti Ghana, brotherhood is different and identity is different. Despite the bitter war we experienced because of the power and properity thirsty feudal lords and recently emperors, the two people call themselves as brothers. Not because they are the same, but there was respect among each other. If there is respect, every huamn being can call each other as brother and sister. See the Pentecostal church. No matter from where you come, if you are member this religious group, brotherhood develops. The same can also be true for Eritreand and Ethiopians. And the discussion we do here is part of it.

        What scares most is, the doctrine of habeshanism to create mama Ethiopia. If there is respect, everything is possible. Look EU, see USA. The US stated fought a bloody civil war that has created today’s USA. If they were not able to win the war, USA could not as it is now. And the same can hold true to Ethiopia. Ethiopia could have continued in war had the EPRDP didn’t succeed a united front tthat govern Ethiopia as a whole.

        Therefore, our brotherhood will continue not because of the corrupted ideology of habeshanism but because of mutual respect as people. Love should not with a precondition. We can love each other without been habesha. Before people did and now we can do it. Just let’s put habesha to whom it belongs. We need to think either at national level, Eritrea and Ethiopia or at African Union level as Africans. Only in this way we be a proud people like what we see today in USA and EU.

        Brother fanti Ghana, above all, we are human being. Human being is our unfiying character to call each other as brothers and sisters.

        With all respect brother Fanta.

        tes

        • Ted

          Fanti, to borrow a phrase from the movie,” I will have what tes’s having.”

  • Burbank

    Cheering up Ethiopians for Ethiopian remarkable success. Congratulations! Proud of you! I hope you will keep growing and let grow.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/media/22-most-dependable-airlines-in-the-world/18/

    • Eyob Medhane

      Burbank,

      I also just read this. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/10/idUSFit91928820150410

      Sal,

      Please read it, the byline doesn’t have a name (you know, who) that prevents you from reading it… 🙂

    • Ted

      Burbank, We know now, we should have not separated from Ethiopia, You made your point. Don’t rub your nose in it.

      • Peace!

        Dear Ted,

        Really? My guess is you are trying to be a little sarcastic; otherwise, the brutal occupation was the reason for separation.

        regards

        • Ted

          Peace; Mr Bank thinks he can irritate Eritreans if he posts Ethiopians progress. Of course i am being sarcastic knowing his detest for Eritrea.

          • Peace!

            Dear Ted,

            What happen to his reconciliatory tone?

            On a separate note, the forum has been very productive with no clear narrative. May be censoring comments helps to shape a narrative that helps promot reconciliation.

            Regards

          • Ted

            Peace, reconciliation is best way to go . Unfortunately, Here i don’t see many interest for that other than scoring points. But with people like Great Mahmuda around , never say never. Just to highlight my point, He is the man who have not given up on Semere.

        • Hope

          Come on Peace,it is crystal as the blue sky.I suspected the same Burbank after Abi Gonderiew jumped on from the cliff and said:” We need you —here,stay here.”..
          Surprised?
          Hayat Adem could be a die-hard Tigrean Christain from the main-land Dedebit,as Prof Detective Nittric suspected..
          .OOPs,sorry Moderator if I violated the posting guidlines and stand corrected.
          So what?Isn’t it the modus operandi of the sneaky Tigreyans…..a well-backed up from the Higher to run the failed Psycho-warfare against Eritreans?
          YG and his Students might be still spoiling here and there,too.
          Abi could be one of them too,with multiple nicks and accounts here and there—at aiga,tigraionline,awramba,nazreth.com,horn affairs.com.
          Fool me once,shame on you;fool me twice,shame on me.

  • selam

    Dear moderator it was not my intention but i used in context of not bad way, any way sorry i will do my best to read my comment befor posting.Please understand i am committed to respect the rules.

  • Nitricc

    Hey SAAY you had a post about Abinet’s joke and I want to post under it but I can’t find it. anyway; here an Amharic joke; may be the Ethiopians could tell better than I do.
    I was in VT and I run in to this Ethiopian student from Welega. we stark a conversation and among other things he told me this Amharic joke that every time makes me giggle.
    The joke goes like this…
    Somewhere in Ethiopia a wife wakes her husband up due to a noise the donkey was making on the back yard. The donkey is named Zeleqe and is crying for help because hyena was approaching to eat him up. The wife is repeatedly telling to her husband to do something about it. But there was no response from the husband. On the mean time the donkey is masking stronger noise. And then the wife starts to panic and wakes her husband up with forceful voice. Finally her husband replay and told her;
    Husband ===“ leave me alone I am tired” ( Bakish Teygn; Dekmognal)
    The wife ====“ Are you scared” ( Minew Aba, Feru Ende?)
    Husband “ Yes I am scared; why not? ( Awo ferichalo; Lemin Alferam?)
    Wife====“ So it is worthless what you have between your legs” ( Leka minm Waga yelewum Ya Yanteletelut neger)
    Husband == if it was up to that thing Zeleqe has bigger and better than mine; why is he scared then?”
    (Wey anchi besu besu behon ema Ye-Zeleqe aybelim ende; tadya min yashcohowal)

    • Amde

      Nitric

      Funny. And you told it real well.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Nitricc,
      .
      I can always count on finding you around the border area of Awate rules, don’t I. Yes, it is funny but it is blue collar funny. You don’t hear this kind of conversation in a class room or a fancy restaurant, but at a construction site or out there in a bar.
      Did I laugh? yes very hard. But I will tell you I also will laugh hard when a man slips on ice and lands on his back.
      Take it easy, I am not being too critical.
      .
      K.H

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Kboor Gen.Nit
      I’m in a dentist office with two of my boys; they are somewhere in the rooms having their teeth taken care of so that they don’t end up toothless like my bad friend Semere. Now, I read this feed of yours and I suddenly Crack up loud and these office workers and hygienists stop what they are doing and look at me with wide open eyes; an elderly lady puts her book away and wipers in my left ear” you must have had the best moment of your life. ”
      That’s with regard to your funniest ever joke. On IA, I think you have a good grasp of the situation, but your conclusion is wrong. I hope I will tell you why. But till then, i want you to ponder on these points
      1. How is it as a nation we speak of a vision that is anchored on one man? Can’t we have millions who share that vision (if in fact it is the betterment of Eritrean lives), yet deliver it by navigating regional and world political and diplomatic challenges, and steer the nation safely? What is missing isn’t the lack of a vision, but a leadership that delivers that vision in a less costly way. And the first order of that is the belief that each citizen has the potential of contributing to the realization of that vision. That leads us to two fundamentally different beliefs. One belief embraces the notion that the interest of its holders is gone or diminished with IA leaving the scene. The second chunk of our people believes that IA could not be the best we offer; Eritrea deserves better leaders and those leaders are there. We can forward thousands of them once the shackles of pfdj are shuttered. Sorry, I was going to leave you with questions but I have some minutes.
      2 . What do you think IA vision for Eritrea is?
      3.is your vision different than his?
      4. If you share his vision, would you follow the same policies in order to realize that vision? Or, If you would charter a different path what would that path be?
      Regards.

    • Shum

      That was funny. I love the witty Habesha jokes. Somehow you made it clean.

  • Hope

    Dearest Rahwit,

    ” Forget that. Don’t even raise it in your future comments. It is over 2 decades since we forgot you…”!
    Are you sure and serious that you forgot us?
    May be you haven’t forgotten part of us though.Right?
    Why don’t you leave us alone then?

    • selam

      Dear Hope
      Rahawa forgot she is wasting her time to convince as about our own history on the wrong term . Why is she here if she forgot as in 1991. Does it make sense when she keep talking about things she does forgot 20 years ago.
      Ask her what is she doing here. Check her comments all over again .

    • Rahwa T

      Hope Shikor,
      I was talking about one single nation called Abysinia (Ethiopia). If Arabs are there in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, why not Habesha in different nations. If you want to me read your comment, please focus on the point I present. Hanti Hareg Tray tmeziz alkha.

  • Dayphi

    Sallamkumullah ya aHbash and ghair aHbash
    the word ” Habasi” was not of that negative term with common arabian. Thry know it is a race like arab, turk, or farsi. Usually, they sum all non arabs into ” 3ajam” though originally that word is reserved for iranians.Their encounter with Habeshites is not new. Afterall, Bilal the abyssinian ( RA ) was among the earliest followers of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. and his muezzin. Who among Eritreans dont know the TWO JEWELS habeshites of Riyadh and Jeddah? I.e. العم ادم جهار – الخياط الحبشي ، رحمة الله عليه of Riyadh and العم حقوص جهار – الخياط الحبشي، اطال الله في بقائه of Jeddah. Most Saudi Royal Families and Shaikhs would only trust a Habeshites maids to raise their kids when other nationalities maids do all the rest of the castle choires. Habeshite women are among the most loved and cherished wives of the rulers. Yes. There are few ultra tribalist racists among them, specially among the 3anzies. But they discriminate even against other Saudies who see them as less of “true blood”. Among the victims of such descrimination are the Dossaries, Tamimies, and dwellers of Makkah( may Allah’s blessings continue showering on The City ) who are dubbed as “Tarsh Bahr”. Literally, the vomit of the sea. Subhanallah! Not hard to notice the peculiar faces of Meccans.
    the term HABESH, or AHBASH gained its notoriety with the advent of Shaikh Abdullah Al-Harari and his superfast growing movement of Association Of Islamic Charitable Projects A.I.C.P. became the most prominent among sunni circles of Lebanon with branches allover the world.These association became so controversial among arabs specially those with salafi tendencies or anti sufi crowds, because A.I.C.P. opposes the methodology of ibn Taymiyyah, Muhammad ibn Abdul -Wahhab, and Sayid Qutb. AL AHBASH is a misnomer of A.I.C.P.by their adversaries. Now, I am on a constant Jihad educating my muslim bretheren in every masjid i have talk with, telling them Habashas are nice and respected people. They dont have any business with AICP nor their headquarter is located in Asmara or Addis.
    To be honest though, i dont see A.I.C.P. teachings of that different from our teachings we used to get from our traditional shaikhs in those good old days, back in the habasha land of Eritrea.

  • Amde

    Ted,

    I love the band, their melodies, their experimentation into new genres, their lyrics. What the package doesn’t deliver is rebellious attitude. I guess the west has ruined me on what to expect from Heavy Metal. I like ’em – just can’t see them labelled as Heavy Metal.

    • saay7

      Amde:

      I think the kind of rebelliousness heavy metal demands violates Ethiopias Anti Terrorist Proclamation (ATP.)

      Let’s compromise and call them hard rock.

      saay

      • Amde

        Lol,

        Soft?

  • Amde

    Dayphi,

    What do you know – Welela has the exact meaning in Amharic too. I just never associated it until you just mentioned it.

    Thanks,
    Amde

    • saay7

      Hey Amde:

      Tsk tsk. Mar, marye, mar welala is required in Amharic song writing. Here’s my favorite, by Jano Band. (Don’t tell SGJ but I think Jano is short for Janhoy:)

      http://youtu.be/O663f9nBo6A

      saay

      • Amde

        Hi saay,

        That is awesome. They have a beautiful sound. I feel they would be mad at me for listening to them on a stupid laptop computer.

        Ah – reminded me of a relative named Marye. Tall, handsome and witty, he had the very Ethiopian traditional habit of siring many beautiful and handsome children from many geographically dispersed ladies. I doubt if Gonder was immune to his charms lol. The joke was he practiced the family planner’s advise to “space out your kids” (arariqo mewled), in the spatial plane, when they meant to have it apply on the temporal plane.

        Don’t tell SGJ, but “Jan” is (or used to be – not really used anymore) is a generic prefix meaning “Grand” or “Big”. The famous field used in Addis to host the many Tabots during Timqet is known as “Jan-Meda”.

        They should rename the GERD to “JanGiddib Hiddase” Methinks it flows better, plus resurrects the word.

        Amde

        • Saleh Johar

          Amde,
          I am here today….not much to do.

          That is interesting, is Jan and Amharic word? Why would you stop using it, run out of things to apply it to 🙂

          I like the idea of JanGiddib, provided the prefix is not a corruption of the Jamaican “Jah”.

          Incidentally, once I was sitting at the terrace of a hotel by lake Bshftu. I think it was called Ras Hotel…. A Jamaican man approached me selling hats and bandanas carrying pictures of you-know-who. No! Not that Bob-something, though I have similar aversion to both of them. The man could read the disgust on my face, “hey man, dis pikcha of Jah, dem pipol run to buy dis bandana, Jah teacha…Jah god. but waan” It took him an hour to explain to me (maybe it took me an hour to understand him) that they no kill Jah, he god, ee go up to dem sky. It seems Jah tricked the Derg 🙂

          • saay7

            OmG Abu Salah:

            I am dying here. That is funny!

            Now, for the bad news: they are a building a statue for Bob-something in Ethiopia.

            http://mydire.com/bob-marley-statue-to-be-erected-in-addis/

            Abu Salah, how is it possible to be African and not like the Great Bob Marley?

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,

            Because most Africans were conditioned to consider the king as a god. It was common to hear, “B’Haile Sellasie Amlak” as if he was god or he has his own private god, just like he had Lulu, the puppy. If they build a statute for the druggie, I would cheer any group calling itself “Ye bob Hawelt Mafres deget”–of course, armed with only picks and sledge hammers. I promise to donate a dozen of each. Eyob can lead the group, Abi can be the project manager, qes-qes, endatugodu, mnabatu chemento, derqewal 🙂 I am not telling you what the job I had in mind for Fanti Ghana… Amde, you are out of this

          • saay7

            SGJ:

            We are talking about Bob Marley, right? Redemption song? Get Up, Stand Up was a mantra for anti-colonialism, anti-apartheid…

            Yeah, sure, he took Haile Selasse’s speech to the League of Nations, called it War, (and Eyob knows who wrote that speech: an Eritrean* of course), but Janhoy or not, Bob Marley would have been the greatest reggae artist ever.

            saay

            * hold off until canons Eyob. An Ethiopian of Eritrean ancestry. Cool?

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Oh no no no no..I am not going to hold off my cannon, and I don’t accept your asterisk ammendment 🙂 When did Ephrem Teweldemedhin or Lorenzo Taezaz or Zerai Deres or Tekle Tesfaezghi ( I have to add him there somehow:-) ) ever say they were Eritreans or their ancestry is from a country called Eritrea? They never have. You can’t provide a shred of evidence that they felt or spoken about being anything else, but Ethiopian.. 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            You were doing well and then you overreached. Blata Ephrem Teweldedhin’s house was, let me count, 6 blocks from my house…in Eritrea:) And Tekle Tesfazghi didn’t just say he was Eritrean, he sang it. And he had prison terms from Mengistu to show for it. Don’t make me whip out the songs…or, worse, the documentary of his life. You know I will:)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Oh that documentary? The Eri TV documentary that declared Roha Band was an Eritrean band in Ethiopia? You can’t base your credibility on that 🙂

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            Let him bring the document. This time his trademark footnote is going to be his resignation.
            he will be fired for bringing EriTv as an evidence.
            Saay , bring it on .

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abishu,

            Even in my almost nonexistent Tigrigna, I heard them in that documentary saying Roha Band is an Eritrean Band in Ethiopia. Even that they want to take from us… 🙂

          • saay7

            Abi.net:

            Remember your compatriot Eyobai is shifty. His original claim is that Tekle Tesfazghi is not an Eritrean and he never claimed to be Eritrean. Then when I told him yes he did, he added the Qmema qmem of Roha Band relying on his masterful command of Tigrinya:)

            Here’s the video. I won’t even chop it for you guys. I want you to stare at that EriTV logo for 30 minutes; that’s your punishment.

            Saay

            http://youtu.be/x6w2Et4yIDQ

          • Abi

            Saay
            I have better things to do like reading comments at awate than punish myself by watching 30 minutes of eri tv. The good thing is I have enjoyed Tekle for over 30 years.
            That documentary must have been directed by Cousin Hope. Searching for high achievers in ethiopia. To our surprise all of them were eritreans.
            Eri Tv , searching for truth !
            Eyobe, gudna jirat kewede huwala new.
            Yalutinm yalefutinim wesedubin.

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            Yeah. He wrote all that, under the influence 🙂 But think about it, his songs made people wallow in fantasy land. “Get up Stand up” sold more records for colonialists (it was another drug) and it only produced people with sleepy eyes making the peace signs with two of their fingers, it didn’t go beyond that. Now don’t equate him to Che, or Mandela, or people who really emboldened people–not make them sleepy and dreamy.

          • saay7

            Abu Selah:

            I think you are very selective of WHAT you consider “under the influence” and WHOSE altered state of mind makes you rule out all his creation:) Many of the 60s 70s musician you admire were “under the influence.” Moreover, for reggae and rasta men, ganja is as spiritual as Red Wine is for, say, Catholics. There is a story attributed to Lincoln: he kept trying different generals in the Civil War: he finally found a winner. His advisers said, “but sir!, he is a drunk!” And Lincoln said “then said him barells of it.”

            Or in the words of the Sudanese guy who broke his Ramadan fast by having a beer “da barahu: wada barahu.” Not all artists under the influence have Marleys genius; not all artists who were under any influence had his genius.

            saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,

            Not all his fans imbibed? I am taking about bobby, as you said da berahu we da berahu 🙂

          • saay7

            SGJ:

            But we are talking about, pardon the pun, his influence on his admirers. Millions were inspired by his words without thinking once about what he put in his lungs and how altered his state of mind was. He was a poet, a revolutionary who inspired revolutionaries. That he smoked ganja as irrelevant as whether he was left handed or right handed.

            By the way, his son Ziggy Marley is coming to the Bay Area. Wanna go? We can pick up Fanti Ghana and live blog it.

            saay

          • Ted

            Dear SJ, some work much better under influence, The Mojito of Ernest Hemingway, the cocaine of jimmy Hendrix, the herb of Tupac Shakur……. With all its all consequences, i am glad they used it. They wouldn’t have been the same with out it.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ted,
            C’mon my friend, what would you have missed if you didn’t know any of these people? I’s not as if they were the only ones. Look at Ateweberhan Segid, Osman Abdulrahim, Kazzim Assaher, Fairuz, Tekle Tesfazgi and many others, hundreds of them . Okay, I am not saying these artists would pass a DUI road test, but they were not know for their drinking, but for their arts. Take the drug and drinking fame of the guys you named and probably you wouldn’t know about them. Tupac, Marley, ect and the rest became famous for their gangster life, then their other talents piggybacked on their notoriety–media exposure, money, etc.

            Seriously though, I feel disappointed when people turn frivolous entertainment discussion into seriousness 🙂

            Saay, is the in house law drafter, we need to create a humor measure. Anyone who doesn’t meet the minimum standard should take a crush training program. I forget, you prepare the curriculum, Abi can assist you. Maybe also Nitricc if he is not that busy. I had enough fun for the day.

          • Ted

            Dear SJ, i wouldn’t surprise you and SAAy have your favorite stash some where in the house. Don’t quit it on us;)

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Ted

            Thank you for that, I have seen the shortened version of this clip, not this long solo extension; I have consumed everything Hendrix; this one seems more techie. Jimi’s talent is masked by all types of loopings and delays; you can see when he changes positions in the fret board. I’m disappointed Mr. Hendrix, the only time I see you cheating. He’s clearly stoned. A man who was not taught music, and who had a career of showmanship of only 6 years, dead at 27, yet still remains the Godfather of guitar. Amazing.

            SGJ: Let’s replace the ganja with traditional Tigre coffee, hopefully you will reconsider your taste selection discernment on Bob Marley. But I am happy the Ethiopians are building (did I read somewhere they are?) a statue for Bob Marley, that will save us some hard earned dollars; who knows Asmara could have followed Pushkin with Marley. Now that Eritreans avert everything Ethiopians do, they will save us building another foreign statue.
            I select the following for its saxophone feel, my favorite is the take at 1:20; I know you don’t like saxophone; and I hate that ear-piercing trumpet; you can hear it here to but it’s modulated by the gentle saxophone. Oh and there is your diminutive King HS on the cover; for now Jamal is somewhere else.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKZFaKaUf0

          • saay7

            Mahmouday/TED:

            Move over Rover; let Jimi take over…

            True story: I was in seattle and wanted to visit the Jimi Hendeix shrine. My son (listening to Lil Wayne on his headphone), complained so much I didn’t. Headed to Vancouver BC and….Yep, they have a tiny Jimi Shrine and I dragged the boy there… Had a pic taken. The tortured look on his face was worth the visit.

            saay

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Hey SAAY the greatista

            Yes, I do have my own picture too, his mausoleum is in Renton, just east of the down town. By the way, I hope you went to Experience Music Project, by space needle; it includes all your favorite rock, blues and jazz stars but it also covers most of Jimi’s memorabilia. Initially it was meant for jimi but later Paul Allen expanded it. I had the opportunity of meeting his half sister, and his brother. Yes, I am experienced.

            Here is his famous “little wing”; clean, just pure talent.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSPoYlfY0j4

            and here SRV improvising over it, they were both talented; SRV of course studied and admired Jimi. Both dead in their prime.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An4uDegHB8s

          • Ted

            Hi The great Mahmud i am glad you like it, i was first introduced to SRV at the big warehouse i used to work. The have a huge speakers hanging from the roof, it feels like you are in a concert every day. SRV was the main menu. Enjoy this rehearsal rough cut.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grBmQwLSlDw

          • Ted

            SAAY, yet to be experienced, Montreal jazz festival is the place to be for live exprience.

          • saay7

            Hi Ted,

            oh, yes, Montreal Jazz Festival: that is where Jimi set his guitar on fire and ordered the fire to rise up.

            I once told Cousin Semere that the only thing remotely cool about Canada is the Montreal Jazz Festival. I don’t know if people know this but Semre is a good rapper so he gets up and Drake style, starts rapping: “Last name ever, First name greatest, Like a sprained ankle, boy, I ain’t nothing to play with.” Then he said “representin’ 614!” and made a fist and bumped his chest. He is a scary man, that iSem.

            saay

          • Ted

            SAAY, Semere spitting Drake style. It makes sense both are killers of their claim to fame.

          • Berhe Y

            Sal,

            I think the “Montreal Comedy Festival: Just for laughs” is bigger than the Jazz Festival.

            How about “The weekend”, I think Grammy is on the way, next year.

            Canadian, Ethiopian, Habesha…way to go..

            Berhe

          • Saleh Johar

            Ted,

            This is too noisy forme. Are you from the “he plays the guitar with his teeth” crowd?

            In Keren I knew a many who could dance of a marbles. Two feet tap dancing, on a marble. Beat that!

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            How do you know what is the minimum? Think about Ato Amanuel. Some require the maximum dose.
            I refuse to be Ted’s assistant . ” bere “keAraju yiwlal ” alu
            I don’t want to go to qera. No way !!!

          • Ted

            Abi, what is lighter than Drugs and alcohol. He is being cautious not to encourage people here. We appreciate him but the truth is most creative people go for something for inspiration. Do you know the man called Abebe Meles the song writer. I heard he once said when he asked what is the secret for your writing success, he replied( CHate newe mistiTre, Salmereqin AlTsfim alachew yibalale. Ante Korma kalhonk chigir yelebignim, erdagne bicha.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi, I didn’t say I know the minimum. Saay does. Ask him 🙂

          • saay7

            Abu Saleh and Abi:

            This is children’s politics. Eritrean politics never move besides nationalism and adjective names. How can we know what’s minimum or maximum without addressing grievance of social groups and dismantling systems. You have it. It’s baby tooth politics of “swindling by sunset.”

            Best regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            Yes indeed. Do you know what smart people like you they do, they bring “mezanagi’ea poltica” marinated with jokes, in order to divert from talking the dire situation of our people. The issue you quoted above sooner or later the Eritrean people will grapple with it. It is a matter of time.

            best regards,

          • Abi

            Saay
            Why do you sound like someone else I know? You are ashmuregna as always.

          • saay7

            Abi:
            What you are doing is child politics meant to distract eritreans from focusing on very serious issues of group grievances. It’s sad and very disappointing. But then Eritrean politics has never moved up plane from ashmmuregna. I wrote about this many times ago and you can find it and read and you can also ask for help. Do they even know the difference between “ashmuregna policits” and “tegentay politics”? I do not think so. Now you know th difference between minimum and maximum. You have it.

            Best regards

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,
            That is his game, to redicule people who are not in the “cousin family.” Do You remember what he told us about the Mafia family when I talk about Saay’s cousins. He is using a prototype of their tools for political assasin.
            regards,

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,
            .
            As strange as it seems, I am with you on this one. Some of these “Stars” came from jail. Their crimes include murder, like the one who goes by the name of Snoopy Dog, and they are multimillionaire criminals.
            .
            However on a lighter note, I have a confession to make here. This is a good time as any.
            .
            The Jamaican man in Bishoftu (as in Bishoftu Ethiopia) who tried to sell you his wares. Well, I sent him. Not that I thought you would buy any of it but I wanted you to know crazy things existed. I didn’t realize that will make you swear that you will never go to Bishoftu again.
            .
            K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            No Kim,

            That is a reason I just remembered today, the reason I hate Debrezeit is because tome, it has become the Alamo of the Eritrean opposition. T. Kifle might know this:-)

          • Saleh Johar

            Kim Hanna,
            In the West, particularly in the USA, if you admire and love something, make sure it is not media induced. The hint: if what you admire is vain, it probably is.

            Once a friend joked: If Reagan comes to the television and says, “Onions are good for your health, the next day the stores and farms will run out of onions.”

            For the Jamaican man you sent, I will think of a revenge, in time 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Saleh Johar,
            .
            Oh, I think the threat by itself is sufficient enough, the Jamaican wont show his face again in Bishoftu or Addis.
            .
            The media hype is something else. In early seventies they were able to sustain a market of Pet Rocks for weeks. Some California kids were able to put a rock in a labeled, Pet Rock, box and made a killing. The line between show business and news programs is getting blurred by the year.
            .
            K.H

          • Haile WM

            Hello SAAY,
            can you please tell me the name of the eritrean who wrote that, i mean the ethiopian of eritrean ancestry (still eritrean… referendem admitsu diyu ? 🙂 )
            I heard the story some time ago but still can’t find any name other than Lorenzo Taezaz who passed before 1963.
            Cheers

          • saay7

            Hi HaileWM:

            This is the Abi.net influence: everyone is funny at Awate University this week. “referendum admitsu diyu” is killer-funny:)

            Ok, first of all you need to remember that all banter between Eyob and saay is 95%* boasting and meaningless. Second, Eyob is always wrong. Third, one of the three dudes in the pic is responsible for writing it. Fourth, nobody knows who wrote it but, since HSI Ministry of Foreign Affairs was over-represented by Eritreans (who then went on to complain that HSI discriminated against them), let’s just say it was an Eritrean.

            saay

            * percentage derived by using the scientific discipline of WAG: wild-ass guess.

          • saay7

            Oops, HaileWM:

            PS:the image i referred to:

          • Eyob Medhane

            HaileWM,

            Most likely it was Ephrem Tewoldemedhin, (the gentleman in the middle on the picture) because he was the one most of the time with the emperor, in London and Geneva at the time. He was also an official scriber at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at the time. Not to mention the fact that he was the only proficient English speaker, while the rest the Emperor including were French proficient.

            Sal,

            If Eritreans were discriminated, during that time in Ethiopia, how come they managed to dominate the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Ethiopia? Hummmmm puzzling… 🙂

          • Ted

            Eyob, it is not puzzling at all if you were to experience life in Eritrea as Eritrean in those days. All the sudden the torture, killing and harassment stops a minute Eritreans crossed the Mereb river. This is more , Hummmmm puzzling… 🙂 We Were treated alright till the day of Derge in Ethiopia but we were Wenbedè in our own country. The Emperor HS were smart man if it had worked.

          • Haile WM

            Hi Eyobay
            Ephrem Tewoldemedhin was part of a prominent protestant families of that time, arguably one of the most educated family of the time in eritrea, so it is safe to say he is the author of the HS speech.

            on the other hand not all eritreans could afford to be educated and be part of the elite in HS era, especially those who lived in lowland eritrea (where incidentally the struggle started…)
            besides was it really necessary for HS to abolish the federation? change the language from tigrigna to amharic etc.. ? re-hmmmmmm re-puzzling 😉

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            That was a good one . On a serious note, I was cheering when the statue of Lenin was demolished. I was elated. Yetabatu!!!!
            Sir, I will humbly accept your offer as a project manager.
            Alasafrotim

          • Amde

            Ato Saleh,

            I will confess that I love the use of “Don’t tell SGJ but…” as a refrain (is it pre-frain lol) to say anything on this forum.

            I like your story, but I am with Saay on this one. How could you possibly have something against Bob Marley. Come on now. Was the bandana not to your liking? lol.

            By the way, the expression of “Be Haile Sellasie Amlak” just means “By the God of HaileSellasie”, just like saying “By the God of Abraham”, or “By the God of our fathers”. It is not imposing deity on HaileSellasie.

            Now, don’t tell SGJ in case he is listening, but Haile Sellasie was a very devout Christian and the last one to confuse his own monarch status with God’s order.

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Ande, you missed this part from my comment: ” as if he has a private god ….” But you are doing good, you brought him one step down from the level of God to that of a prophet, the worst prophet if you ask me telling from his followers. 🙂

        • Abi

          Getaw
          Jan can be grand /big except when it comes to jandereba. A jandereba is not big .It is none. If you know what I mean

          • Amde

            Oh Abi,

            minnew beselam pastayen indalqeqilibet iyasaqik chereskeN.

            Indeed.

            gin ek they do say “melke-Tfun besim ydegifu”

      • Eyob Medhane

        Sal,

        Wrong again. 🙂 Jano is a prominent clothing for noble people in north Shewa. Here is Donald Levine (RIP) Proudly wearing it..

        • saay7

          Hey Eyobai:

          Dang it! I had seen that pic of your Gashe Liben on Tadias Magazine’s tribute to him:(

          So Ethiopia’s first Heavy Metal band, Jano Band, is named after nobleman’s clothing? Lame! Hardly rebellious, dude.

          I was going to give you condolences for your Gashe Liben but I first have to research if he, like most Ethiophile scholars, had said terrible things about Eritrea.

          saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal…

            1) Before you devour everything that Donald Levine has written about Eritrea, I can tell you that he was the only American journalist/writter/acadamic in 1998, when Isayas invaded us, against every, who was pretty much a lone voice that said it was Isayas that invaded not the other way around. So..he was a truth teller.. 🙂

            2) Jano band explained about their name to CNN journalist artarticulately, if you
            are their fan how come you missed that? Here forward to 6:12 on the clip. .http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aYyGTZH980s

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            1. If he said Eritrea invaded ethiopia, he is mistaken:) also u appear to be unclear on the concept of “truth-teller.” That’s when u tell the truth, even if it inconveniences you and angers your friends, heroes. He just said what every Ethiopian elite was saying: he was a conventional man, RIP. Whatever is on him, Gheteb will dig out:)

            2. I told u I don’t watch 3-letter media: CNN, FOX, BBC, SKY, ABC, CBC, CBS, NBC… Free from their herd mentality and propaganda since 2004:)

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            I don’t know who deemed them Heavy Metal, but I always thought they were really a Jazz outfit. If they are calling themselves as Heavy Metal then they need to rebrand.

          • saay7

            Amde:

            To quote Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction “oh, re you finished? Well, allow me to retort!” 🙂

            Listen to their “ayrak” and tell me if that’s jazz or heavy metal. You should take it as a compliment: heavy metal is one indicator of approaching a middle income country:)

            http://youtu.be/umKVifpVLZc

            saay

          • Amde

            Saay,

            For a second there I swear I thought your retort was gonna be an Iraqi band lol. (love that scene by the way – those dead eyes of his – shiver) Now if Heavy Metal is defined by excess of wailing electric guitar, then indeed yes. But when an old fart like me enjoys their sound, their melody, their pace and their lyrics then they are clearly not the rebellious kind. I can hear what they say fer Chris’ sake!!! How heavy of a metal is that? That belongs more with easy listening.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother SAAY,
            He sounds safe on Eritrea at least on his “Greater Ethiopia” second edition book. Check if he has any other work though.

            But if you must twist anything, the twister that you are, twist the following.

            “The turks themselves invaded the north in the 1550s. they succeeded in establishing lasting control over the coastal towns of Massawa and Arkiko, but were pushed back from the interior by Ethiopian forces.” page 77

          • saay7

            Hey his Fantiness:

            Nah, I will pass because Cousin Gheteb will write:

            “Why Levine Is The Sine Qua Non of Abyssinian Fundamentalism.” We have a division of labor here at Awate University.

            saay

        • Saleh Johar

          Eyob,

          Do you bestow nobility on tourists just like bestowing Degazmach, Grazmach, to people who have not held a kitchen knife let alone be vanguard or left wing attackers 🙂

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            Gash Liben, (Donald Levine) Is hardly a tourist.He has benn part of Ethiopia for over six decades. If anyone belongs to Ethiopian noblty, it should be him. I am still expecting a condolence article of his p

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob,
            The litmus test! What did he say about Eritrea? I know his story, just want you to tell me, the Ethiopian version 🙂

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            I know where you’re going with this. 🙂 Please, please don’t tell Sal… 🙂

            In 1991 Don Levine did not think that (he had a right to think, right?) Independence may not be sustainable for Eritrea. In 1998 he belived Isayas invaded Ethiopia, because he felt frustrated that independent Eritrea was not what it was cracked up to be. Remember though, he traveled all the Asmara to plead with Isayas to end the war…

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob,

            Now I am pulling out of the topic, not my baby… 🙂

    • Abi

      Selam Getaw
      ” yezenbaba mar nesh welelash yerega
      Aldersbish alkugna ejen bzerega
      ( the all time king Tilahun)

      • Kokhob Selam

        Abo!

        That is wonderful expression. just visit Bahirdar and see how zenbaba looks like walking side way in late evening. get fresh air and the wind that comes from Lake Tanna . Life is there, and if you don’t ever love a women all over your life you will start to recall what lovely “welela” you have missed –and if you have past history then here is the place to enjoy TIZTA. still if you want to plan to have one, here is the place to live the future. Lol, if you have one on hand, then forget about heaven as you are already in.

        • Abi

          Ante Gojame
          Endet Kermehal ?
          I agree with you 1000%.
          It is a beautiful city and growing fast. The people are beautiful inside and out.
          “Qirb leQirb new Gojamna Gonder
          Sichawetu wulo kemeshem lemader ”

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abye,
            no city and people has attracted me like Bahir Dar, and hope I will berried there to be part of that soil and grow as Zenbaba,

          • Abi

            Kokobachin
            I will pass the request to Tes.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abye,
            please don’t do that as Bahir Dar will reject it. Don’t destroy my deep rooted relation with Bahir Dar by putting tes in the middle.

          • Abi

            Kokobachin
            There was a derg killer in gonder. I’m sure you have heard of him. Melaku Tefera. Tes is Awate’s melaku.
            “Yenema melaku/Tes yeEgzer tanash wendim
            Yezaren marlign huletegna alweldim ”
            ( yeGonder hizb / awatista)

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abye,

            በሳቅ ሞትኩኝ እኮ !!ኣንተ እንዴት መጣልህ ?ውይ ውይ ያ ግፈኛ ! በወሬ ነበር የሰማሁት:: tes እማ ኮ ያልጠበቅነው ገዳይ ሆነ ::

          • Amde

            Kokhob/Abi

            I find Tes really funny. I particularly lost it when he remarked “I was well known for giving out Fs in my classes” and I swear there was matter-of-fact pride. Dead Soul Newtonian Therapy? If that is not the perfect name for a new rock band I don’t know what is.

          • Abi

            Amde
            I have a better one . One day he was so angry he screamed ” I Am A HUMAN BEING ”
            This reminds me a time where people camping on EtTV. It was during the first “election ”
            Most of these people don’t know what they are talking. Each of them has a symbol. My favorite symbol was berchuma. Egzer yamelaktih balTefa neger sew beberchuma simesesl.
            One evening this guy appeared on tv with a symbol of a sheep.
            He started by saying
            “Ene begg negn”
            The moment he said this, my mother, who is always funny, called my father and said” zare yeBegochu tera new. Na gudhin sima”
            My father replied
            ” Eregnochu simeTu trign”
            Twenty years later prof Tes said ” ene sew negn”
            Really?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            Abi and Amde, “Ene beg negn” I can imagine what a hilarious show it must have been. What makes it even more funny is, they are asking for your vote so that they will represent you and lead the country. If my mother was alive and I was there, I know what she would have said. Simentegnaw shi dersowal.
            .
            About tes, I don’t know why but I kind of like him. He reminds me in my younger years a lot new arrivals to Addis from Eritrea. They communicate passionately in their new language, Amharic, in a confused way. I have to ask several questions just to get the gist of what they were saying. Sometimes I feel like I am doing it all over again with another language in another place. I think he lives in France, he has to vent someplace.
            He has a picture of Eritrea in his head that he does not want anyone including Eritreans to tamper with.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Kim
            The sad part is enezih begoch will tell you the importance of a sheep instead of what they do for you if elected.
            Regarding Tes , I have a different take. I think he didn’t get a chance to have fun growing up. The war at his door step , the EPLF/ PFDJ propaganda, SAWA, the cadre school… It is too much for a young person to absorb. He is only 32 and he has been through a lot already.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear K.H

            ኣንድ የኤርትራ ወጣት እንግዳ በባህር ዳር ብስክሌት ኣፈናጠኝ ለማለት “በሽክለታ ትለምዳቻ ቀላል ናቻ ኣጎራቢቲኒ” ያለውን ኣስታወሳችሁኝ. ቻቻ !

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokobay,
            Have you been in Bahir Dar. I see you reflecting a kind of memory. It is a fast growing city.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear AmanuYes Amuni Yes. I am an Eritrean brought up in Bahir Dar, I went there when I was very young when my father was in danger as he was from the first ELF supporters. he was arrested in 60’s and he manage to escape with support of guards. I completed my high school there. I only continue my study after I was injured at the end of ELF military era –

            in 70’s my dad decided to take me back to Eritrea and we fly to Asmara , he said this is Eritrea and you can chose you front to be a real fighter if you want. He decided so as he don’t want to see my death in front of him due to my continues participation in fighting against Derg in Bahir Dar. he put enough money and said” if you want to continue you education, this is Asmara. I am going back to Bahir Dar to take care of your sisters and brothers”. but it was before he move from Asmara that I move to Kerkebet. my lovely Kerkebet was my best university. I came back to Kerkebet in 1980 and this was the place where I got a good experience. this was the place I fought most against EPLF. during those continues battles I have lost the best comrades.

            I was always in contact with Bahir Dar after wards. in 1978 the EPRP members that you see them almost all knew me. I think you have been in Barka at that time.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokobay,
            It was a nice city you grew up there. I was there from sept 1967 to june 1971 in the poly Technic institute at Bahir dar. It is lovely place. Of course I have a good memory like you of the city..

          • Kokhob Selam

            when you are in ELF I didn’t know you have been in polytechnic. there were a lot whom were in that institute. most of them went to EPLF I think. for sure you may know my parents and elder brothers.

          • Amanul Hidrat

            Kokobay,
            I wasn’t. I was trained as industrial chemist. But you are right all my schoolmates went to EPLF. We were only five in ELF.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Kim!

            Oh Kim, I am so glad to hear you say you like Tes. Did you notice the change ever since he moved to France from China? He has become “I don’t give a zoot” anymore of sorts. I guess the Chinese were too disciplined to have words like zoot.

            I have this natural Blen magnet on my face, so I am Blenized beyond belief. Take it from me when I say it is impossible to hate a Blenay/Bleneyti no mater what they say or do.

          • Ted

            Hey Fanti, i am glad too you are immunized with your little magnet on your face from the wrath of tes. As for my bruises here and there, it is collateral damage. People may have their own explanation for disliking him but the truth is his unapologetic way of addressing it. He is not intending to change with Newtonian Theory at his disposal.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Brother Ted,
            The secret of how to deal with a Blenay/eti is like this: concentrate on why they say something instead of what they actually say. It took me years to figure that out.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti Ghana,
            .
            A while back we got into it for something I can’t remember now. Finally he turned to me and said he is this close to use a newton law bombardment on me. I turned around and threatened him with a Charles Darwin method on him, I think that was when we had our truce.
            I think he is a little harsher on Eritreans though.
            .
            K.H

          • Amde

            Abi

            Damn you. I spent my morning commute figuring out the most dignified feasible way for to start off a political advertisement with ” Ene begg negn!”

            Conclusion: not feasible
            Evidence: side hurts because it gets funnier the more I try.

            Your parents sound wonderful.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Abi,
            Hilarious! You almost ruined my late breakfast. I am going to frame your post.

          • saay7

            To: Awate Board of Directors

            From: saay

            RE: Abi.net

            We need to have a page for Abi called “Funny Things My Parents Say.”

            I don’t think I have heard anything this funny since Michele Bachman ran for president in 2012.

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            Question: About 11 and 4 hours ago on this thread, you were upset with abi posts and was going for him. Now less than an hour ago you were in jovial mood about this other post. Is there something said in code or otherwise the previous time that set you off. I read the posts more than once and it is not clear to me what was being understood. Thus the direct question.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Selamat KH:

            It’s an inside joke. I was doing an impression of Amanuel Hidrat. Abi.net and Amanuel picked up on it; you are too slow. Keep up or Professor Tes will kill you and do the Neutron Dance on you.

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            I will go back and re read with this new key in my hand. About tes, I am not afraid. We have a truce.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Saay
            I’m glad you liked my parents conversation. It is funny now . Back then it was something else.
            About the ” berchuma ” guy, which is by far my favorite symbol, I asked not to any particular person,
            “Sew endet beberchuma yimeselal? For this my father said ” I think he has three legs” my mother shouted “afer yasbelah ”
            I still laugh.
            Saay, Kim is kind of slow today.
            Tes, I consider him as one of the “good fellas ” around here.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abuye,

            ጎንደሬ ሳይግደረደር?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam abi,
            .
            I got it now. For a couple of hours after I read it the first time, I was saying to myself, ‘wow, you think you know a person and out of the blue goes bizarre in front of your eyes’.
            When things go out of character, read and read again, is the answer.
            Gold star to you, abi, you spotted it right away.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello KH, happy holidays.
            This is a good time as any to make a confession, so here it is.

            When I first came to the US, when there were virtually no Habesha women to speak off, I had a wonderful girl friend name Kimberly (Kim); very reserved, a good listener, and she never got into simple innuendos as I do. We were good together. We remained good friends for many years until we slowly lost contact. Also I have 3 very close friends named Hanna as we speak. So, the combination of these two reasons didn’t allow me to visualize you as a male gender until recently. I made a fool of my self many months ago by telling Abi to not miss the match between you and SGJ when we were talking about men-women possible political matches once we get together in Massawa someday. (He must have wondered what I was talking about). Then, recently someone addressed you as a male and I was just about to correct that person when you relied to him/her without addressing the “error,” and I hesitated a little to be sure, and then another person got involved and then you got involved, and I was put out of ( I should say into) my misery once I found out you are indeed a MAN.
            Although I have semi apologized somewhere else before, here is my official apology in case I was being insensitive on how I addressed you in the past. You are one of my favorites at Awate, and I am always left wanting for more whenever you say ehhhhhm. It is an honor to know you as either gender my friend, and if it applies to you please have a wonderful Holiday.
            Fanti

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Fanti Ghana.
            .
            Happy Easter to you too. Easter was my favorite holiday in Addis many many years ago. In my case, tSom was imposed on me and I counted the days to Easter.
            .
            About Kim, in the order of problems I had at the time it was my least concern. A couple of years after I got to this country, in fact, New Orleans, La. on my first job, they asked if they could call me Kim. I chuckled and said fine. Back to school, I mentioned it to a couple of friends and it became stuck.
            Fast forward, I had business dealings with a man from west coast who was stunned when he first saw me, he thought I was Korean all along.
            .
            You are one of my favorite at Awate too. I came to Awate university many years ago, to engage in hand to hand combat. I didn’t want to let any insult go without a Newtonian response. Over the years I learned and mellowed too after you see all the complicated problems we have.
            .
            K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Abi,
            I am even slower than KH, I got it just now too. By the way, you owe me a decent breakfast yesterday. I knocked my OJ on top of my cakes.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,

            Abi, ye Teret sew. I have no doubt that the entire awate forum have fun with what you have to say everyday. Nuruligne abie. Go ahead “yemama lij”.

          • Amde

            Kokhob selam,

            Abbay ina Tana kemileyayubet
            wuha teqemamsew keminaTelubet
            medina ke bahir kemisasamubet

            kokeb selamachin

            hywetih ywedes yitajeb babeba
            nefsih kokeb yihun akalih zembaba

          • Kokhob Selam

            Wow Amede,

            thank you. የተሸሸገ የግጥም ችሎታ ኣለ… ይውጣ !!

          • Amde

            Kokhob,

            be tinish be tinishu yishalal. amarebiN biyE indaliwared.

            indaqmiti.. as they say…

            glad you liked it.

          • Abi

            Amde
            Just brilliant !!

          • selam

            Dear k.H
            Good wish and i hope you get what you want. We will manage with out your burial ceremony and space for your body but still feeling sad that you choose Bahir Dar , some way or the other there is nothing special on your body cementary art.Any way good to know.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            Do I detect jealousy or politics in this? What is it that touched a nerve? please explain.
            .
            K.H

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Kim,

            Selam is replying to me. she only make mistake of names. instead of KS she wrote KH.

          • selam

            Dear kim
            I just make honest typing error. No nerve or what so ever, you forget we have agreement not to use Mit Mita between us. I hold my words that is typical northerner just kidding

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear selam,

            “ዝገበረልካ ሓደው ግበረሉ ሓደው ንገረሉ” ባህር ዳርን ህዝባን ንዓይ ዓቢ ቦታ ኣለዎም ::

            እተን ዝዓበያ ቦታታት ኣብ ህይወተይ ሓንቲ ከርከበት ኣብ ኤርትራ እያ: መቃብረይ ምስ ዝፈትዎም ብጾተይ ክኸውን ምምረጽኩ ኣጋጣሚ ሕጂ ህግደፍ እንከሎ ሞት እንተኣጋጢሙኒ ግን ቦታይ ባህርዳር እዩ ክኸውን :: ነዚ ድሮ ደቀይ ተኒግርዎም ተቀቢሎሞ እዮም::

            “some way or the other there is nothing special on your body cementary art.Any way good to know.” true. that is true. but there is one bullet remaining, you can ask for it if you want. that belongs to EPLF leadership and there is no legally known EPLF to claim it, Lol.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Dearest Kokhob Selam,
            An Eritrean tegadali poet who is from Bahr dar who dreams in Amharic and writes it in Arabic. What a beautiful human you are!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Fanti,

            Thank you.she ( my lovely wife) also tegadalit promise me I will start form scratch and reach where I want when I was totally destroyed. I start to learn Arabic, in fact it was almost impossible for me. my lovely wife and me still looking young work hard in all fields that concern us. all my work credit goes to her, without her I could have reached no where. I think that is why Arab people say ” wera kulu rajlun azim mer’a” something similar to “ሴት የላከው ጅብ ኣይፈራም” Lol.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Dr. Kokhob Selam,
            I don’t have an arabic font on this computer, so I am sending you a gift to give it to your better half on a day when there is no reason to give a gift for. Make sure it is placed in a green postcard with a hint of white dots. I am taking the secret to my grave, but trust me it works wonders. Make also sure it is addressed to the right gender.

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            Ja, there is no EPLF now it is a fact. But i guess TPLF can hand it to you directly as you know they also killed ELF. Who can forget that. By the way i am happy you choose bahridar not mekele because that would be a lose to the nearest eritrean city.

          • Kokhob Selam

            I wish EPLF is there as TPLF do. I wish EPLF joined with all Eritreans and make history like TPLF do. both killed me but I was not also playing with my guns I was killing them, TPLF regret it and I forgive them and they forgive me. I wish EPLF do the same with me. they killed themselves and are on containers leaving space to PFDJ. I loud for them and cry but those who sing with them forget them all. this is the difference.

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            are you trying to score political points by saying thsed who sing with them? I am not singing any thing with PFDJ you know that. And if i can ask , how many of these you killed where habesha just asking? Look k.s i never understood you have got an apology from weyane. Any way lets rest this case because it belong to the darkest time of our history and tell people how taugh is it to shoot your brothers. Please advice the dedebitawiyan.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,

            peace lovers just don’t do things to score points. sometime they even don’t know how much good they have done to others.it is not to earn something that they work. mostly you can’t see what they do for you. Petros Selemon will not see how much we pay for them. although I complain for the past wrong actions done by him, I feel responsible to defend and fight for his right. I am trying to be or on the way to reach the level of peace lovers. so let me assure you I will never get and I will never need it any appreciation. May we see the back alive, amen.

            regarding those who dance I don’t mean you. as you said it is past and I agree with you we should only learn from it. now if what you are saying is from the bottom of your kind heart then you should love everybody including Ethiopians. Love is boarder-less.

            I don’t say I didn’t make any mistake in history. the one who don’t make mistake is the one who don’t take any action. But what you should ask is did I learn and correct it?

            you Know Selam, even we are not enemies of PFDJ leaders they make us enemies by leading our hardly found nation illegally. when we remove them and dismiss the idea of monopolizing others the hate will be over because life is too short to hate human beings.

            I don’t know what you mean by dedebitawiyan, but if you mean Ethiopian government they don’t need my advice – they have more experience. Instead just a massage to PFDJ..Please inform them to leave Eritrea and let the people live in peace.

          • selam

            Dear k.s
            i was referring to people like amanuel hidrat and other weyane conferences listener when i said dedebitawiyan.
            as for love yes , i love all ethiopians minus weyane and their sympathizers. I even told you how i love to see ethiopians crush poverty and do things that matters to them best . of course i am talking also the oromo people too , not just around adwa or mekele , i want it all over that is as far as i can go about my love to ethiopians.
            How the message to PFDJ well untill now they do not listen and i am afraid they will not listen as far as they are getting a reward from EU and the rich land. Now do we agree on most and disagree on the little .
            I am proud of your service to your country and people even if that was long time ago in then1970th to 82 , what i do not agree with you is the notion you know all and all was true in a way water can not free at 4 degree centigrade , of course i am assuming you know the properties of water on 0, 4 and 100 degres . Now lets stop pretending while dancing because if you dance in your habesha guayla i assum every one is looking how your moves are.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kokhob,

            Just for you. Don’t let Sal watch it.. 🙂

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=InybPUaF2lY

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Eyobay,

            ኣመሰግናለሁኝ :

            ይህን ያደግንበት ተወዳጅ ህዝብና ቦታ መርሳት ፍጹም ኣይቻልም :: ለዚህም ይመስለኛል እነዚህ ሁለት ኣገሮች:- ሰው ሰራሽና ተፍጥሮኣዊ ችግሮችን ተባብረው በምጋፈጥ በፍቅር በሰላም ና በተድላ እንዲኖሩልኝ ትግሌን የቀጠልኩት ::

          • Amde

            Abi,

            You remind me of this joke. The man is not a native speaker of Amharic, but knows enough to start being brave about his conjugation.

            So, to refer to Gojjam and Gonder’s sharing a border he goes “Gojam enna Gonder yidenebaberalu.”

          • Kokhob Selam

            Amdeye, Lol ewnetun new.

          • Abi

            Amde
            Is this person Saay?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Abugi,
            Lol, I was going to say it ! I can’t stop laughing,

          • Amde

            Abi,

            Lol….ante tenkoloNa.

            Once you mentioned it I can instantly see that it would definitely be the kind of thing Saay would do in a fit of good-natured adventurism.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Amde,

            በለው በለው “ወሃ በላኝ ኣለች ” የባህርዳር ልጅ:

          • Amde

            Kokhob selam

            Do you know Bewqetu Seyoum? Here is his riff on Bahr Dar
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfb23DjJgrE

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amde,
            Lol11it was interesting, hope Saay7 will not see this. “is this Bahir Dar you talk about?” he will say.

          • saay7

            Amde/Abi:

            Who, me? Eway yiHiseblkin zelo? There is an Awatista named Aman who has a running monologue that nobody except the moderators read. He is saying that three Ethiopian provinces: Tigray, Semien, and I forget the third are all Eritrea’s, which were handed over to Ethiopia by Italians. So, there.

            saay

  • selam

    Dear Rahwa
    yes i agree and you can see i have already used the word sorry. That should stop you from lecturing me about 125 yeard.
    You are forgeting the main issue i raised with k.s was only on the refugee issue. As for the Habesha it is really not important to me .I would love to damp habesha word and raise the word union in respectful way. That issue is quiet important to me and millions of people around . Because i do not want to be called habesha it does not mean i hate to live in peace with different society. As per the forgotten , well it is not one sided issue rahwa haftey it is both ways. We do not need any thing from you either but as for the geographic location demands we are bound to respect the rules of border and wish to live in peace.

    How about the question of haile silasie as a brilliant person who was born in a wrong generation ? You keep forgetting the question.

    • Rahwa T

      Dear Selam,
      On your last statement. Did you ask me about this before? I don’t remember. You know I don’t follow every comment when there is a gap of 9 hours. Sorry, but who said this? I don’t agree with this kind of game. I see him like any of leaders who ruled my country. He has left his signature be it positive or negative. That is how I see it.

      • selam

        Dear Rahwa

        Ok noted, i was expecting your progressive mantra to this man legacy , as usual you avoid taking the risk. I was the one who brought up the Q and if in any case you find it irrelevant just ignore it. Thanks for the reply.

        • Rahwa T

          Dear selam,
          You are striving to get support from a Habesha man. As far as I understand, Hope is a proud Habesha. Turn your face towards Gheteb and Tes,

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa
            i am only talking about the word foget nothing else.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam n*esti,
            I afraid we are going to fill the whole page. I knew you were taking about the word “forget”. But I was referring about the political “oneness” just we are there are Habesha people in both countries.

  • Semere Andom

    Eritrea: A Nation With Personality Crisis.
    Dear Readers

    Eritrea is new and young, yet it is a jaded nation with multiple personalities and is undisguisable when each personality is taken separately, unlike a person with personality disorder, it has shined when all its multiple-personalities worked in harmony. The question is, was it superficial or real, and is it durable or temporal, whether it is a shadow or indelible engraving in the psych of each personality. When the harmony of these personalities were just jelling and federation was abolished by those devoid of vision, Ghedli was sparked and it was implicitly understood that Ghedli will sear the harmony, but it did not, in fact sometimes you can see the curdles with your naked eyes. The effect of a century of uninterrupted interaction, the nationalistic fervour was supposed to better the union that rejected the “Union”. It was supposed to solidify and cement this: “nhinna hade nikewun, tishaate nkewun wo ahadu Eritrea”

    When Eritrea’s personality is split, one of the 9 says I am an Arab, my language is Arabic. If a seed is carried by a river and travels thousands of miles and then grows in the new terrain, its DNA does not change, only what nourishes it, even that is the same because the atomic and molecular makeup of water and other nutrients do not change with distance, they only contain extra things that do not alter their core nature, hence I am still an Arab.

    The other personalities loudly disagree, sue me, but I am Ethiopian, because the word means burned face and every African is Habesha and The 9 personalities are always in conflict, most of the time insidiously behind the curtain, pulling the strings of division, becoming the creeks that feed the perpetual suffering. Many times, the 9 personalities try to speak in unison. But sometimes the curtain is unveiled and you can see who is pulling those strings that inflict the division and racial superiority and demographic hegemony.

    Once in a while the 9 personality celebrate in unity when they are intoxicated with the “semi toxic brew of independence” but when sobriety takes over, they go back to their silos, some count their blessing, some their misgivings and yet some beat their chests for a job well done in antagonizing the other personalities.

    Eritrea, the citizenship and Eritrea the land needs to tell all these personalities with the language they understand the following:

    Be whoever you want, think whatever you want about your origin or gene make up, you are all roommates and need to honor the rules of the house, be diligent in your chores, be courteous to each other, make sure your fights are clean and I, Eritrea will reward you with my bounties and serenity. You can call that my covenant with all of you. With all my fairness, I warn you that I will be unfair and even uncompromising in one thing: if one of you violets the golden rules of roommates, I will punish all of you, I am too young to squander resources to find out who was the culprit.

    • Ted

      Semere, job well done , now officially transported yourself to Eritean predicament at hand,” A Nation With Personality Crisis”. Not exactly i agree with your take but it is a good start and as you go high up to the hierarchy of Eritrean issues to be solved you find there are more than 5% culprits holding you back as an opposition person. Some way or another you have to deal or accommodate their concerns internally with what you have, that itself is a sobering thought . Continue to dig for why/where/who/how, we went wrong in our house Eritrea but to go searching item lost in the house to next door neighbors lighted house is not smart person like you want to wast time on..

    • selam

      Dear semere
      You have raised a valid point with a certain dishonesty and that spoiled everything. The hesitation to say the Ghedli as a true and reflection of the people is quite bogus . This understanding depends on your understanding such as : if the 5% of the fighters you said long time with the word sexy word to hour hereos, herds of pigs and so many i can mention. Semere you are quite open to every one to question your basic knowledge or shrewdness. I could have on your said on your 1000s of comments but you have like what i said before really disappointed me.
      I oppose PFDJ nail to teeth and i would love if IA fall down now and drink cafe with you benefit to your eyes but now it is not because i choose people who understands my agony and greviences and move on for the benefit of masses.

      If you care about eritreans you should take back the swimming words on a polluted area. Because at the end of the day Eritrea will need people like you to give her ideas who come out side the box. And i am begging you to please accept your way is not the people’s idea.

    • Dayphi

      Selamta Semere akhuy.
      The last pragraph was a good analogy with a house full of roommates, to be diligent in their choires and courteous to each other, BUT all the roommates must abide by the house rule. Now we need to know who makes the rules. The whole roommates must make the rules. The problem we have in the Eritrean house is only esayas and his desciples make the rule. He bullies all the roommates.He gives them their nicknames. He’s so bossy. The sad part is though many of the “opposition” are not much different from him. They enjoy to dictate to us o origin is, what tribal/ ethnic / biher name we should carry, and worst of all what language we must use in teaching our children in their secular and spiritual educations. He is so bossy that he selects the mufty for muslims and decides to move their Eid Prayer arena from the Grand Mosque of Khulafa Rashidoun front courtyard to freedom square, just by MY TIMQET, which is not praised neither by the muslims nor by their christian neighbors who see it, understandably, as a trespassing into their properties and descecrating the holliness of the replica of jordan river baptizing site.
      you mentioned the 9 personalities repeatedly. If you were referring to bihers, it was shoveled on people with force, and was rejected by the affected people from day one.

    • saay7

      Anta iSem Arkey:

      What is going on? Please count how many words/phrases you have used that are used by mental health experts:

      Personality Crisis (unless you are referring to the Canadian band)
      multiple personalities
      personality disorder
      superficial
      psych of each personality
      split personality

      We are friends, but I am a polite (ok, bad) friend and I have never asked you what you do for a living. If you are in mental health, I understand because we all borrow terminologies from our field. If you are not, Hsebelu: one of my pet peeves is the way our Ethiopian friends put Eritreans on a couch and psychoanalyze them.

      Your last paragraph is awesome (replace roommates with family members: we are no more than 2 degrees of separation.) Can I exercise my moderator privileges and delete all the paragraphs preceding it? 🙂

      saay

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Sal:
        I noted the demotion from cousin to arkey 😉
        Now, I was trying to be like my friend Gadi, a man of letters and tried to describe our in fights and unity, if it did not work on you, finish the rest 😉
        I did not really make the point that we are so divided like YG made. I tried to reflect on our sometimes difficult relationship that is made so by the invisible hands that pull the strings, a common theme in my comments on this area.
        Believe it or not family was an option then I remembered the freedom to separate once you can afford to live alone and to describe our diversity. But you are right too much terminology from that field
        On what I do: harram alekka, stop commenting while talking to me next time:-)
        Cousin Gheteb triggered this comment:-)

        • saay7

          Selmat my favorite cousin iSem:

          Had to say that because I can’t do that Arkey Hawey Natey etc:) You can add Fanti Ghana to the list of possessive abusers. (Fanti: this “Haftey Natey” is like saying my sister of mine )

          Ok. Where do I begin. First of all, because you have used so many unflattering adjectives on Harbeyna Ertrawi particularly Harbeyna Shaebiatay, you are sentenced to a whole month of saying nothing but highlighting our good qualities. I told you years ago the wheels on the YG bus will fall off when it hits the hard wall of Eritrean stuborness and u need to get off but I forgot that you too as an eritrean are stubborn and won’t get off.

          Second: everything you said about Eritrea can be applied to any country in Africa. I will now pause as we randomly stick a pin on an African map. Yeah, that one. So I never understood all the Tefaena, bedena, we-are-going-extinct language. We as a people are like any other people; we just happen to be led by one of the most cruel regimes whose vision of transforming Eritrea into a land of abundance and regional influence tolerates 0.0000% dissent.

          Here’s how I look at it, to much teeth-gnashing from our friend Emma. You have no doubt heard of how wealth in the US is concentrated among the 10%. Within the 10%, it’s their 10% that dominate. Within that 10% of the 10%, its their 10%. Etc until u get to 10 families. In Eritrea, replace wealth by political power. And if PFDJ is the 10%, then 90% of that 10% is Isaias Afwerki. And because it is an infrastructure he single handededly envisioned (with a rotating cast of enforcers), get rid of him, and you are looking at an average African country with average African problems.

          The rest, which you make fun of, is me and my cousins saying we don’t want to replace DIA with DIW (dictators-in-waiting).

          saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,

            I am done with smacking of lips and gnashing of teeth long long ago, when I was young. Though at times you join them, we can observe those kinds of reactions with Ted, Nitrickay,Gheteb, and Tes so often. Anyway, it is your way of provocation to pull me and put me in collision with these guys.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Ah Emma:

            I love how you always grade yourself and you always give yourself an A+ 🙂

            If you are a writer, and you are, an aspiring politician, and you are, an aspiring organizer, and you are, you have to let the reader, the constituent judge your work.

            What I was saying by “gnashing teeth” is that whenever I make the argument that most of our problems can be traced to one man, you don’t just refute it; you insinuate that those who propose that view are not to be trusted and are stealth PFDJs. Don’t you?

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Saay,

            I have never seen an individual grading himself. It won’t happen. But may be you have encountered with insane people who do that, as a result you are using it against me as a way of insulting. Thank you for that. It is not your first time. I didn’t say you are PFDJ. But if anything that could make you a sympathizer of PFDJ is your advocacy for PFDJ-2. Nothing else my friend. Any person of attributing the Eritrean problem to one man “issayas” or to “PFDJ” doesn’t in any way that person be insinuated a trusted or stealth PFDJ. That is how I take it if you didn’t understood me.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hi Emma:

            My mistake; I am always confusing you with the OTHER Amanuel Hidrat who wrote this:

            +++
            Dear Mizaan,

            The PFDJites are here to twist your words, give adjective names, and to ostracize anyone who have different view from them. What do you expect? Did you read the brain wash manual (which is still in effect) how they ostracized their comrades and finally threw them in to black hole one way ticket to their death. Oh! they will tell you Issayas did it. Hey, he didn’t do it without a tight system that function with conformity from the the top to the bottom. Tell them that we know how a system works.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

            ++++

            http://awate.com/absence-of-class-is-filled-by-something-lower/comment-page-1/#comment-1951785288

            saay

          • Mizaan1

            SAAY, I think Emma gave himself only an A- on this one.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Hawey Natey SAAY,
            I have to keep reminding myself not to forget Papillon. I miss her terribly.

          • saay7

            Selam His Fantiness:

            Happy Easter to you and all awatistas who are to quote the Hadas Ertra way of saying things “followers of the Christian faith” or “the faithful” (it’s less political than simply saying “Christians”, apparently.)

            Hey btw, there is a method to my madness, can you write my name in Ge’ez?

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Your Highness,
            I am using a computer that has no Ge’ez font, and it cannot register an up vote. Let me get up from my warm sofa, navigate through all the trash I have been piling up all day, start my tortoise speed computer to only write 3 characters. I will do it, and if this doesn’t prove my love for you no amount of diamond will do. ( I will edit this in a moment)

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            Much obliged. Now, since you are well-traveled man, familiar with many cultures, if somebody writes this:

            ንሳሌሕ ዮኑስ ኣታሓምየኒ- ኣቕቢጩ!

            1. Notice the spelling of my name;
            2. Notice ኣቕቢጩ!

            Ummm, what nationality/religion would you say this person is?

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saleeeeeh,
            I would say an Eritrean wannabe Protestant!

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            One more question before the prosecution rests. You said “Eritrean wannabe Protestant.” Is that an Eritrean who wants to be Protestant or a Protestant who wants to be Eritrean? Or both? And why Protestant? Again there is a reason to my madness:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Your Highness,
            A Protestant who wants to be Eritrean!
            I have heard some people using ኣቕቢጩ or something that resemble to that. i.e. using ጨ instead of ፀ, and they are almost always amiches.
            why Protestant: Just a wild guess, and I don’t want to be associated with someone who says ሳሌሕ.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            The prosecution rests.

            Stay tuned:)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Fanti,

            Sal is a closet Amhara and a closet Kenisha. Case closed… 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            selamat SAAY,
            does this mean my days are numbered? direu Habesha iye’ndo abzihu.

          • abrham

            Dear Fanti the prosecutor,
            Now you are in trouble with Hayat. Stay tuned.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Abraham,
            Please tell me you are joking. Anyone but Hayat. She is so careful in how she uses words and constructs sentences she almost never makes mistakes let alone something as big as ንሳሌሕ ዮኑስ ኣታሓምየኒ.
            She would never say ኣታሓምየኒ in the first place let alone ሳሌሕ. the ሳሌሕ looks like a conversion of Sa-le-h by someone’s not quite familiar with our names. Since I am in a downward spiral anyway, let me add “it cannot be Hayat.” If I am proven wrong I am leaving this planet.
            Selam.

          • abrham

            Aya
            He thought or shall I say he is very sure that she is from Tigrai because of the ”mistakes” and her stand. And he want your prosecution after four months. Contrary to your assertion he believes a Tigrian can make such mistakes because we are homogenous Christians as if we have no Salehs. As for the name I think its a typo for the other things here is the link for your prosecution.

            http://awate.com/eritrean-resistance-forces-need-an-effective-umbrella/

          • Hayat Adem

            Your Fantiness,
            Look, your Fantiness, this guy is stirring your calmness for nothing. First, he let you feel he is only after some big reasons. Remember THE I WILL GO NUCLEAR ON SUNDAY declaration? Then he did you the trick of self-committing from backing off using the Socratic method so that you are cornered to stand by the conclusion. Then, you are made to see incomprehnsible problem that cannot be solved short of transporting yourself to another planet. I’m sure I’ll come back on this when I’ve better time. But for now the oak tree you are, stay still.
            For a starter: Lets assume I’m a Tigrean; also I’m not a Muslim; also I’m not a female. I can still say all the things I’ve been saying. Eritrea and Eritrean should be very happy to have a non-Eritrean who can devote her time and brain on Eritrea’s issues so much. When people are very weak and they think they were wrong, and they think the only soft landing chance for them is slight change and not a significant change, they go full loaded on defending the wrong past tooth and nail. That includes talking about non-issues and shadowing doubt in the minds of readers on silly matters. That is if shooting is not feasible they go after you using every tool, acts of ridiculing, linguistic profiling, insulting, blackmailing included,
            I was being puzzled by Sal when he repeatedly despised Sebhat Nega’s kindest words for Eritreans. Tell me, Sibhat didn’t say we hate you. He didn’t say we are indifferent about you. He said we love you and we love you so much more than PFDJ does. Why on earth would Sibhat be repeatedly mocked for his unconditional love words? And this man is close to Eritrea in blood aand deeds. Mind you, it is the PFDJ mind-set stupider. PFDJ goes thousands of miles to counter-claim Pushkins ties with a constructed statue. There is nothing Pushkin (18thC) contributed to Eritrea. Eritrea was part of Ethiopia then. That means we can associate ourselves with so many great Eritreans that belonged to Eritrea in so many more ways than the controversial descendant Pushkin who is claimed by as many countries as far as Cameron. That is how weird things are in PFDJ’s Eritrea. They accept you when you are needed for the 2%, for the NS or if you hate Ethiopia. What am i saying here- is Sal influenced by the PFDJ culture? Yes. That is my entire point.
            Sal gets easily irritated on things that I write, if they are especially about the past, if they are about his past, if they say something comparing him to someone else. And then he would do things in reaction and it doesn’t matter how silliest. Look for example, what he is trying to imply is that I’m not an Eritrean nor a Muslim. These are two things that I know how they relate to me for sure and he doesn’t. I know them because they start in me and no where else. If someone dares to argue on this with me, he must be the funniest character bordering utter stupidity. Sal can give his best analytic shot but like i said the point of arguing with someone else about an identity of someone with the person who claims to own that identity is really pointless. But there are clever people like Sal who think they can cleverly argue with you on any issue, including your gender.
            Look at the ability of this guy! He is knocking me out with a few words. The consequence of that: 1) I’ve now an exposed impostor identity 2) whatever I said and will say is no more believable 3) the worst of it- you are to leave this planet.

            Sal has things in his closet that I’m aware of. Whenever i touched those, he would come with a temptation of registering silly scores. If you can’t get rid of the body you hid in your closet, you better teach it how to dance. That was Shaw. Sal couldn’t do the first, so he is understandably trying the latter, but this too to backfire on him hugely.
            Hayat

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Hayat.

            Hmmm, is this going to be a classic example of ባእሲያ ኣግማልስ ንበጊዕ ቀተለ or what?

            Don’t worry Hayatey.
            I am smarter than I look. Ever since SAAY attempted his pre-emptive strike a few days ago, I have been ready for his every possible move. ከምቲ ወለድና ዝብሉዎ፤
            ካብ ጉይይ ምውዓል ክሳድ ምሓዝ’ንድዩ I have carefully positioned my self in the only corridor SAAY could try to slip through. At the end of the day, he will end up asking me if the sit I was reserving on the space shuttle is still available. Trust me.

            By the way is there any chance you may have really said አተሓምየኒ? I am dying to know. Don’t answer that now. Let SAAY cast all his cheeps first.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            Don’t leave the planet yet but do stand firm on your ground (ab metkelka tsinaE). Soon Hayats fog machine will come but keep your fog lights on. For now, remember what Voltaire said: “The Holy Roman Empire is neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.” That’s what we are dealing with:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana
          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago:) And I reiteraterate what Margaret Thatcher once told George Herbert Walker Bush: “this is no time to go wobbly, Fanti.” Your words have been recorded; let’s see if you stand behind them. Tick tock on the clock…

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Sal,
            No “I’m wounded” cry this time. That didn’t work last time so I’ll try something else. Just stay put until I get better time to get back. Spare Fanti from the heat. He is too nice a guy for both of us to be asked to be in Sophi’s choice.
            Hayat

          • saay7

            Hi Hayat:

            Nah, I work on my schedule. And I bring evidence and testimonies from whichever source I deem credible. And a Tigraway Ethiopian like Fanti Ghana, well-traveled, nuanced and versed in multi-cultures, is a fine person to put on the witness stand. So your request is respectfully denied. This website that took us 15 years of sweat and tears to build cannot be allowed to be hijacked by sophists, shams and frauds.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Selamat Sal,
            Go ahead. Keep on firing. I have enough space for collection and every fire shall be answered. You have been building so many things in the past so many years. This website is one, which is good. A wall of hate between two fraternal peoples is another which is not. Take inventory how much that cost our peoples. Your fear for truth and powerful ideas is visible. How else would I be mistaken for hijacking anything let alone this website which is moderated and editorialized by if your last sentence above is referring to me? I would have hoped your entitlement in this website is less aimed at destroying peace and commonness between the two people. My contribution will be countering you whenever I notice those negative roles either from you or others. I wouldn’t discuss non-issues, such as my nationality, that will always be determined by me 100% and never by anyone else, not you not others.
            Hayat

          • Estifanos

            Dear Hayat,

            I had great hope on this guy (saay7) despite my disagreement with his views almost on everything..

            after reading this comment

            “Much obliged. Now, since you are well-traveled man, familiar with many cultures, if somebody writes this:

            ንሳሌሕ ዮኑስ ኣታሓምየኒ- ኣቕቢጩ!

            1. Notice the spelling of my name;
            2. Notice ኣቕቢጩ!

            Ummm, what nationality/religion would you say this person is?”

            I don’t know what think about this guy any more. that’s very low for the person of his caliber.

            and he is saying ” This website that took us 15 years of sweat and tears to build cannot be allowed to be hijacked by sophists, shams and frauds ”

            may be he doesn’t know a lot of us are coming here just to read you and few others.

          • saay7

            Estifanos:

            Here’s the relevant text from our posting guidelines. http://awate.com/posting-guidelines/:

            25.3 Don’t portray a misleading identity of yourself: gender, faith, nationality. Avoid anything that is considered a dishonest and deceitful representation of your real identity.

            What I will show is that Hayat Adem is neither female, nor Muslim, nor Eritrean. Unless Hayat does the honorable thing and admits it and says that she was, indeed, using a misleading identity instead of playing the game she has been playing: I am not saying I am, what if I am? Well, sunshine, it violates our posting guidelines.

            We have zero problem with Ethiopians representing themselves as Ethiopians; zero problem with Muslims presenting themselves as pious Muslims; women asserting themselves as women. We have a huge problem when there is a concerted effort to mislead.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Selam Sal,
            You keep on dragging me. You also keep on amazing me. How exactly are you going to prove that I am violating a posting guide line? Using that childish linguistic profiling? Calling Fanti to the bench of a witness? I know readers would be laughing at you why you even want to do that against the rules written by yourself. But since you have been reminded once and yet you still chose to violate them, I don’t mind letting you vent on your diversions and I come after your problem standing against peace and integration. In the process, we’ll be both boring our readers and come out less graceful.
            Respectfully,
            Hayat

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            This is really sad. It is bordering on smear. There is no need to tantalize and hype to this extent. My problem is when this thing is over one or both of you would wear mud on your faces for a long time. Hayat and saay are reasons most/some of us come here to see issues from several angles. A damaged Hayat/saay is not good for any of us here at this level.
            .
            If Hayat Adem is a Gondere Orthodox man, I will be disappointed for sure, but all the posts I have read over the past couple of years is still powerful and persuasive, irrespective of the identity.
            If Hayat point of view is so contrary and a threat to Awate’s goals, then ban her/him. Why all this drama. However, if in the event that the only way Hayat gains her platform is by revealing her true identity with all the drawbacks that entails, the negative consequences to her would be the responsibility of saay, in my opinion.
            .
            K.H

          • SA

            Hello Kim,
            I second your opinion that I will be disappointed too if Hayat Adam is an Ethiopian Christian man. In my opinion,this is an abuse of the use of a pen name and is a deception. It is one thing to use a pen name to conceal your identity, but to use a pen name to deliberately deceive readers is wrong.

            SA

          • Nitricc

            Hi KH the idea is why go through a back door while the front door is open and accepting. she can write and say what she is saying without pretending to be an Eritrean Muslim woman. the reason she is going by Eritrean Muslim woman is to show that Eritreans are divided so much so they are unable to do anything i.e. TPLF must invade Eritrea. that is all there is to this deceit and drama. if she has to say the same thing being a Tigryan; it will not have the desired effect the TPLF wants.
            I once challenged her to declare where in Eritrea about and i declared mine. she ignored me.
            no one cares who, what and where Hayat is and no one gives a flying hoot but the point is please don’t deceive us. I figured Hayat out long time ago. don’t you think you hate to be deceived?

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            Are you saying the TPLF wants to invade Eritrea?
            Does she sound a male to you after reading her posts for the last few years? Most of us at this forum use nics, that is a form of deceit, but there is justification and reasons for it.
            .
            Nitricc, another thing I didn’t like is the approach used here to create a drama/hype, it is almost like those American talk shows to attract audience for the show, for the spectacle. For me it is a lose -lose situation, however it turns out, it is bad.
            .
            K.H

          • Nitricc

            Hi KH; it does mean anything if she is he or the other way around but let me tell you this; i said Heyat is male because repeatedly the use of the very women degrading word ” whorish” . i don’t think any self respecting woman will use the word. so for me the use of the word made me to think she is he.

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Kim Hanna,
            To me what is happening is like the saying “kibel’uwa zedeleyuwa abagumbaHs zagra yiblu’wa”, loosely translated as “libeluwat yesebuat jofieamora jigra yluatal”. Hayat Adem’d stand has been like “yeguror lay sinTr for some awatistas, Simply, they wanted to silence her. Otherwise, there is no way for any one to identify Hayat Adem identity, late alone people such as Nitricc who have little knowledge of the Tigrign calture and who himself looks to come from parents who adopted the new citizenship. For me it was very surprising to hear a Guragie man who married to Eritrean women in Addis had voted for Eritrean referendum was forced to go to his “country”. Sad but it is easy how being Eritrean had turned people emotional. Hayat Adem is too smart and don’t think she was deceiving. The only reason is they could not stand her challenge.

          • Nitricc

            Dear Rahwa. Lol
            Correction as always lol I get a kick of this anytime she goes to the brim.
            If say Zideleyuwa in tigrigna the in Amharic should be ” Yefeleguwatin” not ” Yasebuwain”
            I thought you were Ethiopian? Lol oh! My bad you are tigryan.
            Never mine.

          • Amde

            So Nitricc,

            What is the deal with you correcting Rahwa’s Amharic? That joke you told was spoken like someone who speaks Amharic at home – hmmm?

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Nitricc,
            I am glad you corrected me once again. But I think it is all the same whether one said “yefeleguatn” or “yasebuatn”. Any way, I still mine is correct. Forget about your last remark.

          • Amde

            Hi Rahwa,

            “For me it was very surprising to hear a Guragie man who married to
            Eritrean women in Addis had voted for Eritrean referendum was forced to
            go to his “country”.” Wait did this really happen?

            I am sorry but it is surreal… we used to joke in the days of “Ertra atisheTim atilweTm” about the Gurage that would reply by saying “Inde yemitawaTa kehone lemin atisheTm atileweTm”. I am sorry for the poor family if it really happened, but sometimes it is surreal to see jokes as history.

            Amde

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amde,

            in our area it was “waga kawetach lemn atshetm?” and do you know also “dabo nat ende yemtqoret? “

          • Nitricc

            KS I read it some where to be ” Tirif” kalat. As of profit.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amde,
            actually,the intention was the same – to show people were not aware of what is really going on.

          • Amde

            Selam Kokhob Selam,

            Do you know what I thought when I read your two quotes? I thought it said a lot about the gulf between those who were the majority (people who made their lives out of the zero-sum game of land), versus those who made their living out of fulfilling human needs however it is manifested. Basically farmers vs traders

            It may be that the students who picked up rifles and went to the jungle were motivated by abstract ideas of self-determination and federalism, but I am not sure just how much of the population actually bought the abstraction. I think it is funny how many Eritreans will spout the same exact slogans we used to hear growing up (“sovereignity, territorial integrity, no self-determination-up-to-seccession” etc…) now that the shoe is on the other foot. It would have been better if many of us had understood community as a collective that fulfills each others’ needs, rather than filled with potential competitors over a finite resource. Unfortunately we are where we are.

            Sorry, I did not mean to give a serious turn to what was started in jest.

            Amde

          • Rahwa T

            wedajie Amde,

            You reminded me similar jock I heard about a new derg soldier from the “bhere Gurag” who was trained and was travelling from the southern Ethiopia to the northern front. He asked to his comrades if all the land he traveled so far belongs to Ethiopian land (“yihe hulu meret yeEthiopia
            new?) and said “yihe lenegr new” after he got the “yes” response,

            Regarding the story I mentioned, I don’t think it was a jock though I am not sure of it. It was a story that I heard some 9 years ago. I took it as true because during those days Eritrea was “only few ladders close the 7th heaven”. Plus to that is also “love is blind”.

          • Amde

            Selam RahwaT,

            There was another joke I heard of a Gurage soldier. His group arrives at the front and the commander orders everyone to start digging trenches and walks away. A little while later he comes back, and everyone is digging hard, except the Gurage soldier who is standing there doing nothing.

            Commander: “Ante! qofir altebalkim inde? min eyeserah new!!?”
            Soldier: “Inde getaye be waga sanismama endet ejemiralehu….”

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Amde,
            It is always refreshing to hear those kind of jocks about gurage, Hoping that they don’t feel offended.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Rahwa T,

            I don’t really understand why it is important to know her identity. What is important is what she said , the idea. The best from her was her firm stand with all those attacks came to her, she still didn’t lose her direction and is winning our heart. for me, I don’t care if she is from Ethiopia or Eritrea, man or women. if fact I even don’t care if she is PFDJ or EPRDF in reality. now and here her stand is wonderful. personally I respect our hero Saay7 and the same I don’t care from where he is, I have taken a lot of lessons from him.I am sure he knows how Hayat is doing unless he want only to expand the Idea.

          • selam

            Dear K.S
            Did you in any moment find me question your nationality ?
            Most of your view is quite acceptable but very hard to do and the reason is K.S we are human being not angeles like my friends try to lecture me about their .. & … Look K.S i have accepted your choice openly even some times it pains me. You are a peace loving human being and also a justice seeker on that i always have respect. Now do i need a nationality to know the suffering of PA people and also Iraqi people. Imagine for one moment the PA people for 80 years with no justice and more pain. Do you accept their suffering to be true and registered even in the apartheid state of Israel , yes i do . Here hayat continue to defend the Weyanes , yes it is her right and she has to fight for her ideas but , she should do it by keeping our history intact if she do that i would have really supported all her ideas minus the 1 or 2 week war .

            I am not afraid to have a union with ethiopia or with any nation . i am quite open to have even one pass port and one nation but our rights has to be respected as human being and the story has to be told straight. that is what i have asked her from the first date but she refused to do so.

            Look at T.Kifle. Fanti , Kim and Abi look how they reply and even some times chides me but i have the at most respect more than some Eritreans in this forum. You know why because they never try to mislead me at any cross section.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Selam,
            none in awate participants has killed me reading his comments like Hayata. in every equations she it attacked, I go back to read again her comments. I want to find something wrong and say here is wrong to her. I sometime think there must be something abstract that I am not able to catch and the picture. I fail.

            today, I went back more than two years and read her comments. I have recorded by name in my folder for most of you and her’s was among the first, the reason I do was not actually for investigation but it is because my Poem file was all showing the reason of each poem I wrote. for example some of Saay 7 articles are filed with my poems attached to them, the same with Amuni and others. Hayata for example the first time she start to write I was badly arguing with her. and all posts from her is documented.

            see, today you wrote she support the Idea of Gebru Asrat. I couldn’t see it where she has written supporting Gebru Asrat. I was just going to ask you. etc.
            here we are supposed to learn and do things happen but most of the time we are spending our time in unnecessary arguments. Saay7 (I can’t explain it ) is very fast and intelligent imagine now if those two minds concentrate and work together. I want to see the day, really.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Kokhebm

            That is also what suspect. Where are the great commenters Haile TG, Papi, Serray, and the other lady (forgot her name). “ganoch alequna minchetoch gan honu” zemen grbiT may n’Aqeb,

          • selam

            Dear rahwa
            Ow ya , texgibeki kicha do seenkiya ? well here is the good news for you . we are here to stay and you are here to stay , what shall we do is not the question now. you kicj the ball and ask us to collect and give it back to ghenrekirstos.

            Here is my advice for me and for you , lets accept you people have been killing us like sheep and now even you want us for more knife . so that you come here and discus our own internal issue through different channels , and we still managed to listen to you. Give us a break and leave eritrean issue and lets both of us work on Eritrean – ethiopian issues.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Rahwa

            በለው በለው፦ ዛሬ ትግርኛን ወደ ኣማርኛ የመተርጎም ስራ በ Nitricc ተይዝዋል ::

            ለፈገግታ :-
            ከኢትዮጵያ ወደ ኤርትራ ለትግል የተቀላቀለው እንግዳ ምግብ ከጓዶቹ ጋር እየበላ ነው : ኣሳላፊ ሆኖ የሚያስተናግደውን ጠራና ትንሽ (ጥቂት) ውሃ ስጠኝ ለማለት ፈለገ : “ንኡሽተይ ማይ ሃበኒ” ብሎት ኣረፈ::

          • saay7

            Selamat Rahwa:

            If we wanted to “silence” her, there is that delete button, you know:)

            No this is a case of someone (Hayat) who consciously decided to violate awate guidelines against misrepresentation and deception. If you are able to read Tigrinya, you know that is not an Eritrean writing. That’s not a Muslim writing it. As I said, she is a strong debater: but so is Eyob. So is Amde. So is TK. (So are you, btw:). But she wanted something extra: she wanted to present her views as if they are the views of a “female, Muslim, Eritrean.” Now, if it drives me crazy when PFDJ does this with its “ethnic balancing” and highlanders who wear metaHit clothes to convey a message of universal acceptance, why would I accept this treachery at our house?

            If you take out the “female, Muslim, Eritrean” identity she is faking, her arguments are no stronger than what TKifle is presenting and we know how to deal with that: nice try, but you are not a stakeholder. That’s what I am telling Hayat: nice try, but you are not a stakeholder and the deception is uncovered. She is still free to make the same Weyane-loving Eritran Revolution-hating arguments she makes, now she is just one of many ethiopian (Tigrayan) men who make them.

            saay

            saay

          • Ted

            Dear KH, “If Hayat Adem is a Gondere Orthodox man, I will be disappointed for sure….” for a person like Hayat who advocates for Eritrea turn out to be Ethiopian, disappointment is not the word i would use, it is rather malicious. Having read countless posts of “her” in this forum, i myself or someones else to agree with SAAY with the identity of hayat is not hard to comprehend. We don’t have a Doctors report or Ethiopian ID on “her” but relying on our ability to make an educated guess with what we have at hand. ‘She” can drag this as innocent until proven guilty but “she” also needs to accept we are protecting from intruders the genuine effort of Eritrean in debating Eritrean problem.

          • selam

            Dear Ted
            please read what ayte Ghebrekirsto/hayat above post

            Look at the above comment defending Aboy sibhat seraki, look at her blessing her ideas as the best one to damp our history as it never happen . She is the sould mate of Ghebrekiristos , she eat the same hate words to her existence. She support all the weyanes, look at her talking to herself as if she is important . Who does she think is ? We have nailed the pin where it belongs when it comes to who you are. No sin made on , you are who you are a war mongering human being born with the second placenta of dergi . You want wage war on us for a week for no reason except to see all asmara art deco destroyed and you want cheer with meles’s cemetry his dream has come true. You are not in a postion to be counted on , we do not have eritreans who dispise our history and call for more blood .
            Come and tell who you are and you think we care , no we do not . Your face is none issue her but your hate is.
            you are the most hatefull person to be around , you know the reason why ? You smell blood.
            Move on your life as we are not going to entertain your bloody ideas , if you want to feel good go and have tea with Ghebrekirstos and call Ghebru asrat to take part with you. You have zero interest on well being of the two people. Just fetch water and wash your face and come back again.

          • Amde

            Lol Ted,

            I think I am almost sure Hayat is a she. Spare yourself the double quotes on the gender part at least. I posted an off-color joke once. All the men giggled and snickered. Hayat and Papillon turned their fires on me. I hastily retreated.

            Amde

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amde,
            That will not also help. in fact you make me in doubt more now, Lol. he might be playing it. are you laughing? let’s have fun time.

          • Amde

            Kokhob,

            Ayee, yewega biresa yetewega ayresam new eko negeru lol.

            lenegeru indezih aynet guday eko Atbiqo memeramer layawaTa yichilal. “asa gorguari zendo wezete” endemibalew kehones lol.

            gin irgiT Hayat wend, ye wend -wend nech. bezih aliTeraTerim

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amde,

            “ኣሳ ጎርጓሪ ዘንዶ ኣወጣ የሰው ፍላጊ ራሱን ኣጣ ” ሓያትን ፍለጋ ራስን ማጋለጥ Lol !
            ግን ኮ ሰዎቹ ቢሉ ቢሉ ተንከባለው ቀሩ :: ልጂቱ እንዲህ በቀላል የምትበላ እርግብ ኣልሆነችም : ሰሜን ነች ሲሉ ደቡብ ትገኛለች ደቡብ ሲሉ ምስራቁ ምዕራቡ ምናም -ግራ ይሚያጋባ ትእይንት – ከኣድማሱ በላይ ወዳ ታች ብመለከት “ኮኮብ ብሎ ነገር ሂድ እባክህ “ብላኝ ጠፋች :ቡዳ ኮ ናት : ይገርማል ! :

          • saay7

            Selamat Amde:

            Well one must stay in character. But, as Nitricc observed, the language Hayat uses, particularly phrases like “whoring” is not something used by women. In fact, many women wince when men use that word. So it’s a case of a 3-dollar bill occasionally faking (because faking is the alpha and omega) a one dollar bill. It’s all for “peace”, don’t you know?

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            I am sure you have seen this cartoon before.

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Internet_dog.jpg

            This was the charm of the internet – you can be any persona you like. Having opinions that are 180 degrees apart on an anonymous public forum – well that is par for the course.

            I apologize that I can’t spend so much time on your site, so I most likely missed the proximate cause for this particular flare-up. But from where I sit, it is mystifying to me why you want to push her out. People can make their own judgements on the identity trappings like gender etc.. based on the overall content they read. Most of us are not public figures like you – we don’t have the burden of maintaining congruence between internet opinions and other more formal presentations. We are just anonymous characters venting in a public space to be honest. I hope to God I never forget that.

            As to Hayat, she has been consistent in what she has been advocating. It doesn’t look to me that she has gained much traction in getting Ethiopian military involvement either from Ethiopians or Eritreans in this forum. And you know in your heart of hearts such decisions are not made in a public space like this.

            But you are essentially asking one specific poster whether they are a dog, what breed they are wezeterefe…. And this “pretending to be a woman to stay in character” bit is beneath you. Unfortunately it makes you look like you are playing defense.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Hey Amde:

            The difference between the Internet and awate is: we have a rule that says you can pick any identity you want but don’t pick one that does not reflect your religion, nationality or gender. We have very specific reasons for saying that. As a matter of fact, one of the writers who caused us the most migraines at this website was Ali Salim and we accepted it on the basis that his pen name reflects his gender his nationality and his religion (his real name which he disclosure at his own leisure afte he cause massive migraine to us was Younis Saleh.). This is extremely important in a multi cultural, multi faith nation like our Eritrea. And we have rejected many posts from people who deliberately tried to maintain their anonymity by picking different gender, ethnicity, etc.

            Simply put, Hayat Adem violated that. And she did that consciously and deliberately not just for anonymity but because it serves the agenda she is pushing: that Eritreas salvation depends on weyane and there is wide-spread support across nationality, religion and gender. Then she got sloppy. And I am calling her out for it. It’s that simple.

            saay

          • selam

            Dear kim
            Do you think Hayat is from eritrea in bed with Ghebrekirsitos but happen to work in different shift , some times they meet on over time . I am nearly sure hayat is ethiopian just few km from Eritrea and work for some amount of cheques in mekele under ghe supervision of ghebru asrat. Please do not take me wrong , I am saying this after reading allmher comment .

          • selam

            Dear kim
            I am sure hayat is ethiopian whether it is she/he no proof but his/her nationality is ethiopian from the heart land of abai tigrai school of ghebru asrat the same class with Ghebrekirstos. Their difference is just they each use different door.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            I am relatively sure you are an Arab, born around the red sea. Please prove to me you are not?
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Dear kim
            what differences does it make any way. I am committed to be only eritrean and that should not make me habesha. On top ofthat I do not call Ethiopia to bomb eritrea for one week. But for sure I am born from muslim family back ground, but it has nothing to do with Arabs. Nada.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            I asked you for proof, you said Nada. You sounded like Hayat. It is very difficult to prove or disprove who you are not. To reveal who you are, however, comes with unnecessary potential problems to you and or kin. BTW I don’t think you are an Arab. You are a tenacious Eritrean, judging just by what you wrote so far.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Dear Kim

            Yes it is very difficult to prove . But who do you think is more eritrean the one calling for blood shed or the one who is saying no more.

            you will not find any one under the Eritreans sun , supporting Ghebru asrat and alike. no one in the right mind in Eritrea will defend these people . I am sure the result is 99% or more yet hayat is there defending them. That should be taken simply out right prove she is Ethiopian

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Kim,
            Let me put it right here: In the end nothing will be rediscovered except Saay’s bad intentions.Please underline that. Saay can never be bothered whether I’m Gondere or Eritrean, not a penny. For example, the most susptible person about Eritrean identity in Awatista seems to me Nitricc. He is using a nickname, too. He doesn’t know where 1/3rd of an Eritrean people live. He doesn’t speak any of our languages. He has never been to Eritrea. All his stories and info are about Ethiopia. Nobody know if he is a male or female or a she-male. His religion sounds chemistry. Has he ever been flagged by Saay on his identities? Never. He is the truth teller. Why is that? There is an answer: because he hates Ethiopia and he loves PFDJ.

            I’m cursed to be the opposite. on both counts. That is the issue. It is not about me. But, since I’m about ideas and for ideas and because of ideas, let me entertain all doubters. I chose to use a pen name for a reason for this interaction. It was a calculated choice which has advantages and disadvantages. My disadvantage can be overcome by revealing myself to show to prove Saay wrong and clear doubts among readers. But that will be ridiculous and would mean defeating the initial purpose of picking a pen name. If revealing myself to damage Saay is what you are afraid of, he can be sure he is safe in that regard. You don’t handover your pen names because your are coerced to. That will not happen and I’m not going to make it an issue.

            If I’m a Gondere and a male and an orthodox (that is so funny btw), why would you think you would be disappointed? You shouldn’t be because I never asked entitlement for being Hayat. All what i’ve been saying can be said by any human soul and I believe I never short-sold cheap ideas. All my ideas are out of principle and consistent. I would like to think of myself as a good wisher of bringing these two people to a cultural integration which is already there; then to an economic integration and then to a political integration as a long-term wish. Now, that is where the battle line is with Sal. Don’t be fooled by any fire-smoke from him on trivial matters that never mattered and if they did, it is futile.

            Kim, I will give a fresh quote from him and you will see him for what he is: naked in the sun. “This website that took us 15 years of sweat and tears to build cannot be allowed to be hijacked by sophists, shams and frauds.” I’ll flog this over and over. How would you imagine me hijacking this website? At a gun point? By corrupting admin? By bullying and intimidating? Never. I speak what I think is good for everyone. And this is what he called hijacking. I’m more scared for him than feeling flattered for myself.

            I really don’t want to focus on who Hayat Adem is but on what she thinks. Hayat only weighs and values ideas on their quality. She expects to be treated the same way. She never asked an ounce of sympathy or respect because she is a female; because she is from Eritrea or because of her religion. She never asked credit, and will never be asking credit, based on those identity qualifiers.

            Moderator and co-builder of this respected website Saleh Younis, do you want to stay obsessed with and possessed that? Go ahead beat it until Kingdom comes but my focus will be on something else. Do you want to write me off unless I come “clean” as you tried to threaten me using your ownership power? You don’t even have to notify me about that. I’m sure I’ll miss the site and everyone here but that will not be my responsibility, it is yours and your teams. Mine is just playing by the rule you set up for me and others and I think I played that cleanly and will continue with the same Awate-good-citizenship if allowed to.

            If I don’t immediately respond on comments that follow up, it will only be a matter of when not if. I’ll continue here because it has become home and thank you and everyone in Awate for hosting me really good. What will never be for negotiation is, my comments will continue bothering you, I’ll remain Hayat Adem and I will never held back from attacking the PFDJ inheritance of bad hate I always see overflowing your veins. Some who hates Ethiopians will never qualify to love Eritreans. In fact, that is the point you hate Aboy Sibhat for loving Eritreans. He didn’t come with hate but love. How can a healthy heart be pained disappointed because some one loudly said “I love you”? I don’t hate Ethiopians are just words. There are piles of words from your other narrative that speak volumes to the contrary.

            Finally, I’m not angry because I’m attacked or questioned. I am angry because i feel we are bothering and boring people. Plus, this is not where I think I might be needed or where i want to see myself. I thought we addressed this issue when I forwarded my complaint to the Team the other day and I even tried to leave it behind unilaterally. What ideas of me are the most disturbing to him that he couldn’t let go the issue of my identity and that he became helpless but fixated with the urgency of revisiting it every week?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother SAAY and Sister Hayat,

            SAAY,
            I haven’t left the planet just yet, so please answer these 3 questions briefly to help me understand the case better.

            1. Is your accusation Hayat’s presumed violation of awate guideline 25.3 and no other?
            2. were you representing awate.com moderator when you placed this accussation?
            3. What is the penality for falsley accusing an awatista of being someone else they didn’t say they are?

            Thank you.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Estifo,
            Oh thanks for the complement. Sal is acting funny on this. He thinks he is on a smoking mushroom and he is not interested in my ideas which are there for him to challenge them or refute them. Instead he seems to be so desperate to have chosen to be chasing my identity. A man of his intelligence should know that not just this is not my interest to be engaged upon but he can’t win it. Why is that he can’t win it nobody declares it except myself. If I tell you he is smart to know this but still he is pursuing that path, what sense does it give you? Right! He is playing a role of a detractor on me. Of course, I’m flattered. Only I don’t want to be detracted even by HIS Salehness. So, I know what he is up to.

            Sal is a wasted brainpower because of his bad start. His bad start is EPLF and PFDJ. His veins are all from that blood and no matter how he tries hard, he carries them everywhere. I know Eritrea’s future is from normalcy and cooperation which are two elements the PFDJ is allergic to. It is in his system so don’t expect him emptying his veins would be easy. Towards him, containment would be a sensible policy.Hayat

          • Shum

            Hello Fanti,

            I think Saleh is referring to this exchange between TK and Hayat below which can be found here at http://awate.com/eritrean-resistance-forces-need-an-effective-umbrella/#comment-1746837164 and http://awate.com/eritrean-resistance-forces-need-an-effective-umbrella/#comment-1746917906

            Hayat Adem T. Kifle • 4 months ago

            ንሳሌሕ ዮኑስ ኣታሓምየኒ- ኣቕቢጩ! ሃይለ ዝበሃል ሓያል ገበል ከዓ ተወሊዱ’ሎ፡)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Shumei,
            Sorry Shumei, I am a little busy packing!

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            You mentioned you were traveling; hope you had safe travels!

            Our friend Eyob once said that he reads Ethiopian opposition websites and he can detect, quickly, whether someone is Eritrean or Ethiopian based on a use of a word or two. Similarly, here’s Exhibit B in the case against Hayat Adem:

            እወ’ሞ! ኣነስ’ባ ጸባ ትዕቢት ዕቡይነት መበልኩ! ጸባ ቆላስ ንህይወት’ዩ። ንነብሱ ጥራይ ሒዙ እንተዝኸውን እምብይመጸገመን- ብዕድላት ህዝብታት አሽከዕላል ግን ዓገብ! ምእንቲምንታይ፣ ንረብሓ መን? ትማሊ ትምሊ’ ዶ ኣይኮነን ብኸምዚ ወድዚ ኣራሲና ዶ ንህዝብና ናብ ሰበበኛ ኲይናት ሸሚምና ሎሚ ተራእዩ ዘይፈልጥ ሓሳረመከራ ወሪድዎ ዘሎ? እንታይ ክንደግም?!

            I hope solving the riddle now እምብይመጸገመን:)

            As you very well know, Saleeh or Saleyh ሳሌሕ is how every Muslim says my name:)

            What is the point? The point, my friend Fanti, is that this website is based on a honor system: you are who you say you are until you give me compelling evidence to show you are not. Then, people have a choice, to continue with the lie (and risk people laughing at them) or come clean or simply rejoin under another name. After all, if she hadn’t written in Tigrinya, people would have had suspicions (the unqualified full-retard support for TPLF was a clue) but they wouldn’t have known. Now all her statements past, present and future are seen from that prism: a strongly pro-TPLF Ethiopian pamphleteer.

            Your witness.

            saay

  • saay7

    Eyobai,

    Tricky:) I was talking about the artist doing the cover, not the original. For those of you who don’t know, Eyob is constantly pushing cover songs of classics and they are, unfailingly, worse than the original:) I was applying that rule; otherwise, I don’t know the old version or the new version of this song. I JUST know, based on Eyob’s history, the newer version is always bad:)

    saay

  • selam

    Dear American system
    Please apply human rights to all. 70% of all guned down by police where blacks. Sad to see Americans advicing on policing

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029597/Cop-charged-black-man-s-murder-opening-fire-eight-times-shooting-ran-away-saying-did-felt-threatened.html

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Dayphi,

    I have said it when lowlanders came with their organization, when people chose Arabic language as our national language, I have said it when Jeberti people loud their voice as ethnic group, I am saying it now and I never agree on some one who want to decide for others choice. thank you.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Selam All,

    I believe everyone of us is free to Identify and study his Identity. we can continue on searching from where each of us came and we can collect data easily in this advanced world. some might be modified as per requirement of dirty politicians but there are a lot of officially documented histories. After long experience in life I have decided to call my self Habesha. no circumstances including my nationality, or any political stand will change my stand and I will work to protect my Habesha culture to death no matter what. those days I am very much sad to see my Habesha people who are trapped in Yeman suffering in between to fires. any the one who claim to be Habesha sure will feel the pain.

    some one can notice now, how much important is to care about the entire Habesha, like if an Ethiopian cares about Habesha as general even if the refuges in Yeman are not from Ethiopia he will still care about Eritreans who are suffering and or the other way round. so there is a kind of united solidarity between those original mind programs. see, aren’t thoses Gulf Arabs united today against Iran’s expansion on their land?

    within that ground of Habeshanism , If I can’t call the Illegal group PFDJ but I can call Ethiopian government to save Habesha People who are trapped in Yemen. I have send different massages in different ways, this post is one of them.

    It is important and every single person alive should know, everybody is free to group himself to any identity. no one should force the other. I don’t force my own son to call himself Habesha. My uncles and elders use to believe we are more connected to Arabs. I have still beloved once who think so. I don’t mind at this moment. what maters now is how much do we care about our people. everyone of us should ask what did I do to those people In refuge camps. What did I do today, did I take any action (even small) in removing PFDJ? other questions will be answered in it’s due time. what ever the official legitimate administration will chose will be materialized.

    I AM PROUD TO BE HABESHA.

    • selam

      Dear kokho
      Little misinformed or dishonesty about the identity of refugees in yemen. I do not want you to go far but please stop taking some one identity to score political or historical facts based on switching, by the way there are over 110,000 ethiopians in Yemen. Who are you trying to tell. What kind of information about do you have about the refugees in Yemen. Lets just say all are people in bad place that would be wise and well understood.

      http://www.yementimes.com/en/1550/variety/468/Yemen%E2%80%99s-unrest-hits-Ethiopian-businesses.htm

      http://www.irinnews.org/fr/report/97826/migrant-voices-ethiopians-in-yemen-describe-kidnapping-and-torture

      Lets see about habesha ? Where do this crowd of people tend to magnify , i am eritrean and i do not care about yours identity what i care is you are human and eritrean first. That is enough for me to care about you no more habesha no less eritrean.

      I am Eritrean i am not Habesha this word does not belong me at all.
      Any one who wants union with ethiopia can have it on mutual respect and understanding but not by damping .
      i would love to see a united economic zone in between and even no border checking , but this is not the right time and all my wishes have nothing to do with habesha but just for the well being of both people.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Selam,

        Did I say the refuges are only Eritreans? no. did I say they are Ethiopians? no. what I said is from Habesha. so if they are from Ethiopia I care as I care from Eritrea because they are Habesha as per my description. you see now, when you start from one corner and you don’t want to see the position of others you will calculate and finalize it as you want as you like. as I told you before, we have a lot of problems to solve it is not PFDJ but the minds that created it and the minds who follow it.

        you said”Any one who wants union with Ethiopia can have it on mutual…..” why even reach to that level. If you know only the reunion thing is the job of IA and his group and not mine and people like me at all you could have surprised. so don’t worry you can continue to be Eritrean and no Habeasha, but don’t decide on me I am Eritrean and still Habesha. see we want to reach the level where you allow others to chose their belief and identity. Let’s leave to PFDJ those bad habits and characters,( monopolizing others).

        • selam

          Dear k.s

          Well i never heared the oromia people say habesha and they are the once in Yemen. As per union as i said this is not the right time.IA has zero interest of the well being of the two people. I have told you this man is mad and evil human beings. I may misunderstood on the identity. Sorry for that.

    • Ted

      KS, first i am gland you found an ear from Ethiopian side for “your” predicament. The second practical thing should be transporting All Habash Ethiopians first on the “ground of Habeshanism” obligation and if you feel like it do the same to the rest non-habesha Ethiopians on humanitarian ground. That is swell.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Ted,

        Look Ted, it is the new Idea that mostly you see rejected and but it is the new Idea that leads ahead. Yes never in history we have seen the new ideas were accepted on spot. Change of belief isn’t that easy to the mind who is used to the old ideas. The healing process we are going through is more than the field war and let me assure you this since I have gone through both.

        ጉዕዞ መስርሕ ሕውየትን (healing process) ድሕነትን ኣተሓሳስባ ሕ፡ሰብና ነዊሕን ትዕግስትን ዘድልዮ ብልቦና ጥንቃቐን ክተሓዝ ዘለው ጉዕዞ እዩ እቲ ምንታይ ‘ሲ
        ዝሓለፍናዮ መሰርት ዘይብሉ ፋሕጣሪ ዘይተደላይ ጎንጽታት ኣብ ኣእምሮ ዝገደፎ በሰላት በቋሕ ሰም ዝሓዊ ስለ ዘይኮነ :: እቲ ተደጋጊሙ
        ብሓው ኣማኑኤልን ካልኦት ምኩራት መማህራንንዝሕበረና ኣብሞንጎና ክንፈጥሮ ዘለና ምትእምማን ከኣ ክፋል ናይ ቲ ጉዕዞ ሕውየት እዩ ::

        እቲ “ብሓሰኣብና ኣይከደን እሞ ንበሎ :-ነጥፍኣዮ:-ንቀንጽሎ” ዝብል ባህርይ ከይወራረስ ሕጂ ብህይወት እንከለና ከንጥፍኦ ሕድሪ ኣለና ::
        እቲ ዓበይቲ ዝሓለፍናዮ መሪር ጉዕዞ ደቅናን ደቂ ደቅናን ከም ዛንታ ክሰምዕዎ ‘ምበር ክደግምዎ ድልየት የብልናን::

        እቲ ትማሊ ዝተፈልየና ፍትዋት ኣያታትና ኣምሂሮምና እዮም:: ካልእ ድኣ እንታይ ከ ስራሕ ኣለና ::ህግደፍ እኮ ብቀንጻልን ገባትን ባህርያቱ ሰላም ከሊእና ምበር ሰብ ሰላም እና ::

        የግዳስ ናይ ምርድዳእ ባህርይ ይሃልወና enjoy the words from heaven RIP our
        beloved elder brother Omer Jabir

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=272&v=kOI37BR0REA

        • Ted

          KS, From your orginal post ended with ” I AM PROUD HABESHA.” You said “any one who claim to be Habesha sure will feel the pain the same as I do” What about Eritreans and Ethiopians who don’t identify themselves as Habesha. Yemeni people don’t know who is who or who is Habesha or who is not. We all are Habesha and the pain is the same. I believe you are trying to evoke emotions in a wrong circumstances.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted,
            not at all. but I am kindly informing if we know that we are Habesha we will have a common ground to be united in solving our problems. but still I mention you are free to believe you are not Habesha. so it is a choice you should chose. but we will face issues similar to the problem you see our people suffering in Yemen in different forms that invites us to think the common identity. well, there you can come with wider and better Ideas and say East Africa, why not? All what you need it open mind to reject the past and come with fresh idea, at the end of the day questions like regional security, common wealth development of East Africa etc. are more better to think about than to be narrow of a state or nation.

            by the way, do you know that you are more than your identity, your name, your nationality and the body you named all? I believe I am a soul and I am none of the body or the label I wear. this all is one life experience to play my role in advancing Human-being. Just ask yourself, who are you after death ? Ted? no more there my friend. Eritrean? Habesha? no more. you have been but not present.so, you have been here to do a job for peace and development, one life if over. do you have another journey? for sure. let’s stop here.

          • tes

            Dear KS,

            Am I reading, “this all is one life experience to play my role in advancing Human-being.”Are you coming back to the one that I know KS before long time. I thought that you are on a mission to merge the two countries because of blind habeshanism love.

            tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,

            ” thought that you are on a mission to merge the two countries because of blind habeshanism love.” you see, bro there is a big job – cleaning the mess – the mess we people have created to be cleaned. that why you heard me saying – nothing was done once and for every thing is yet to be done for better. there is always pending job to be done. think about it, imagine the century back inventors come back see the world, if they think of what they have invented and see where it has reached, they could have say I didn’t do anything to humanity. isn’t it? see the planes of our era and think what the two brothers invented to start flying. it is the same, of our case. In politics

            Today we have seen it is sticking to your belief and forcing others to accept it that has brought as to this level. When our Father Abdulkader Kebire was ready to go to UN for our national freedom decision it was the doubt and that he is planing to go against Christians and build Islamic and Arabic nation that let the killer motivate him to kill, and it was the king who use the chance. Imagine Kebire was not killed at that very moment,,it was most likely Eritrea could have know as nation and we could have saved millions of Eritreans. do you think I am exaggerating..I am the father of 7 wonderful children and I am among who taste death, no go a head calculating the souls departed X7 Lol, I am not counting Eritrean souls only but both Ethiopians and Eritreans. now go on making inventory of property lost and but very important the time lost. see now the mess we have created? the worst is even we are surrounded by PFDJ parties and still big job is waiting for us.

            you, tes one of the great minds we have has doubt on me that I will go against my own belief,,the hardly earned national independent, the independent that I pay for it high price then what will happen to others? if there is no trust among you and me then forget about being trustful society. I

            you see my friend the Unity of Ethiopia and Eritrea was not a crime nor was asking national freedom a crime. it was always the intention that was wrong. when you build love there is nothing bad in life and you will never have any boarder to stop you think better. When Abdulkadir Kebire firmly stand for independent nation, again it was from his cruel experience of Ethiopian kings. since every colonized land and people is allowed to administrate as nation he clearly saw creating democratic nation called Eritrea is better than going with Ethiopian kings who play the card of religion to monopolize Eritrea, are you reading tes?

            now let me clear for you my stand,,I never said and never will our struggle was wrong, but I will openly say our method was wrong in solving internal conflicts. I didn’t say Eritrea is not a nation nor did I say it should emerge with Ethiopia. but I will say both sister countries should work together as non in this world did I find more sister country than Ethiopia. again I wish it with all other countries too.

            are you still reading? thank you, now we need to establish a program to trust each other. the first step to know is I don’t have to force you to accept my ideas and you should not. let me be free to think and belief.
            trust, trust ,trust on self and others. respect respect respect others. above that trust and respect self. that is important. so removing PFDJ is not a big job removing the old style of thinking is the main job we need to think of.
            and again, you and me are here in this world more than the label we give to ourselves, that is our external cloth, we are souls to think higher than that.

            you can chose Eritrean but with Arabic Identity. to ahead. I Eritrean but with Habesha identity let me go ahead. make jobs to expand Arabic language in Eritrea and let me expand my Ge’ez to the best I can. what do we need more than this? nature has given us everything and we should get use of it. I am Habesha and I will do my best the two nations make a wonderful love among them. someone can make the same between Eritrea and Sudan. that is love.

  • ‘Gheteb

    You Can Sue Me, But I Am NOT Habesha

    Yes, you read it right. I am saying it right here in black and white that I am not Habesha. It is not because of political, religious, cultural, or other factors that I firmly believe that not only me, but most of those who moniker themselves Habesha got it all wrong. Well, to get a better understanding, the first order of business should be to find out, I mean to REALLY find out, what in God’s green Earth does the word or term Habesha means. I am sure if you ask those who use the appellative Habesha in desccribing themselves, you will get different and divergent answers.

    First, here are the variant forms of the very term ‘Habesha’. Some say it ‘Abesha’, ‘Habeshi’, ‘Habesh’, ‘Habashat’, and ‘Hubshi’. The last variant, I remind the reader to keep in mind and remember as it will be important at the tail end of this post. These days, those who identify themselves as Habesha are the Amharas and Tigrayans from Ethiopia and the Tigrigna speaking Eritreans.

    Second, let us look at the very origin of the word Habesha and go back as far as King Azena of the Axumite Kingdom in the 4th century CE. Here we need to remember that the Habashat had their own kingdom in what is now Yemen, along with the kingdoms of Himyar, Saba and Hadromot.

    As it was described in the inscriptions of Azena, the Habeshat were a group of clans or tribes who lived in SoutheasternYemen, in what is now known as Mahra district of Yemen. According to some historians the term Habesha means “Incence Gatherers” which makes eminent sense since that was the main product of that region in those times and it is only logical to assume that the Habashat were involved in incense gathering activities.

    Did these Habashat people end up migrating to what is now Eritrea and Ethiopia? Yes they did probably when their kingdom was overrun by the neighboring kingdoms. According to some historians who travelled to what is now Eritrea around 872 CE, the Habeshas were living in what is now known as Eritrea among the local inhabitants. Remember this was when there were five Beja kingdoms in what is now Eritrea, Some Eritrean stories tell that those Habeshas who staid within what is now Eritrea and Tigray were to be known as Agazian ( from G’eez) and those who went deep into the Ethiopian mountains were still called Habeshas. Hence why the Abessynian kingdom had to appear in what is now Ethiopia and not Eritrea or Tigray.

    Then, you may ask how did this very Habesha term ended up having such a long shelf life? Well, no thanks to those Arab writers and historians ( actually they were not REAL Arabs but the “Almustaribas” [The Arabized Arabs] ). These were the ones who started describing the Horn of Africa and its inhabitants as Habeshas. Later on, no thanks to the Abessinain monarchs it has taken its own life through the mythopoeic hagiography and legendary tales of Abessynian writers and scribes. Nowadays, the word Habesha is purveyed as a unifying concept in adavncing the tenets of Abessysinian fundamentalism.

    Now, leaving aside the fact that the non-Tigrigna ethnic groups are Kush in their origin, what is one to make of the ethnic/racial origin of those Eritreans who speak Tigrigna and are referred to as Habesha? I am of the belief that the Eritrean Tigrigna speakers are 60% Kush ( remember the five Beja kingdoms in Eritrea and the fact that the Bejas have expanded their rule all the way to Gondar in what is now called Begemidr [ Beja Midr, really] ), 30% Sabaean/ Himarite Semetic, and the remaining 10% Habesha and other sources. The same ethno-genetic background may apply to those Tigrigna speaking Tigrayans across the Mereb river. This Mereb river is a replica of the Merib River in the ancient kingdom of Saba in Yemen.

    Another tidbit of an ‘apercu’ from my side to titillate the minds of those who are looking for some local evidence, here I am going out on a limb and asserting that at least there is one village/hamlet in Eritrea that bears the name Habesha. Actually, it is called Adi Hawesha (ዓዲ ሓወሻ ). Here I am praying that I am not going to incur the wrath of those who think I am making fun of the Tigray’s Tigrigna. I am merely trying here to elucidate a point. Okay, take a deep breath and exhale and try to get what I am trying to impart and please any more names of villages that bears the term Habesha from your side of the Mereb River is going to be music to my ears. You just need to let me know.

    ዓዲ ሓወሻ is actaully in todays Eritrean Tigrigna ዓዲ ሓበሻ. Well, this is in line with how in Tigray the “ወ” is equivalent to the “በ”. I don’t know of any other toponym that carries within it directly or indirectly the term Habesha. The point here is to underscore the fact that the presence of the Habeshas was minor or small as compared to the other inhabitants of what is to later on become Eritrea.

    Some may doubt that the Tigrigna speaking Eritreans are 60% on their ethno-genetic origin Beja, but here are some interesting facts to ponder on and take into considertion. Beside the fact that the Beja ruled those areas, the Eritrean from the Kebessa region trace their origin to Minabe- Meroni ( ምናበ ሜሮኒ ). Meroni hailed from what is now The Sudan and definitely a Beja and most of the toponyms such as Hazega and TsaEzega are Beja names. Let alone in Eritrea, the Beja and Belew influence permeated all the way to Ethiopia. I hate to rain on your parade Ethiopians, but I think King Lalibela was neither a Habesha nor an Amhara. I believe that he was a Tigrait speaking Belew. I think even his name says it all and here it is: (ላሊ ቤላ ) which means in Tigrait “He Said Night”. I can write a bit more why the king was given that name and why Night is included in his name, but that is a long story. But suffice is to say it got to do with the construction of those stone hewn chruches.

    I hope you are catching my drift here why I don’t call or identify myself as a Habehsha for the reasons mentioned above, there is also another aspect to the term Habesha that one may find to be offensive. Although the earlier Arabs used it to denote the Horn region and its inhabitants, over time the connotation of the term is derogatory and may even be racist. Still not sold on my perspective here. Alright, then ask any Indian that speaks Hindi or read literature by an Indian author, you will come to learn that the word “Hubshi” which is a variant of Habesha is the Indians way of saying the “N word” as in nigg..

    I hope now you see why I neither call nor identify myself as Habesha.

    • Amde

      Gheteb,

      There is a rather oft repeated statement that Ethiopians (at least the Amhara) are “semitized cushitic people”. In other words, genetically of “cushitic” stock, but adopting languages described as semitic. I use the term Ethiopians here to include highland Amharic and Tigrinya speaking people. I don’t know how that squares with the Afrooasiatic language origin theory that posits the likeliest origin of the Afrasiatic languages (cushitic and semitic) is the current Ethiopia, rather than Semitic being a late entrant from across the Red Sea.

      The locals say Lalibela was named after honey – some variant of “he eats honey” or “he likes honey”. Apparently “Lal” means honey in Agew. That may be the source for a lot of Rayan and Tigrayan songs that repeat “Laloye… Laloye… Laloye”.

      Amde

      • Destaa
        • Amde

          Selam Destaa

          That was quite interesting. It is hard to believe some of what he says, but as they say ያልለውን የወረወረ ፈሪ አይባልም. My grandfather used to insist Amara is a synonym for Christian and not an ethnic name. This person reinforces that. And I agree with him in that I know of no Amara that can say he or she is descended from such and such clan. Based on what he says if being Amara was a marker for Christian, it supports the idea that being Amara is no more than one who speaks a lingua franca that slowly gained prominence in its own right.

          This reminds me of something I had read a while ago. We are all used to pronounce Axum as Ak-sum. አክሱም. However, I remember growing up reading it as አክዉሥም. (A-kws-m) This indicates the Cushitic (“kws”-itic) root if that civilization, with Kwsh identified as a grandson of Noah. Again, your link reinforces that.

          Thank you that was great.

          Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Brother Amde,
            Let’s complicate everything this way and call it a day: All Amharas are Tigreans, All Tigreans are Oromos, All Oromos are Eritreans, and all Eritreans are us. Problem solved.

          • selam

            Dear Fanti Ghana
            Thanks for not accepting the 500 about oromo. I can not believe 37% of ethiopia not to have more than 500 years in ethiopia. On top of that can you please add more about oromo. By the way , your assumption about all the amharas, tigreans and put it with all eritreans is brilliant. Take my vote.

          • selam

            Dear Fanti Ghana
            Thanks for not accepting the 500 about oromo. I can not believe 37% of ethiopia not to have more than 500 years in ethiopia. On top of that can you please add more about oromo. By the way , your assumption about all the amharas, tigreans and put it with all eritreans is brilliant. Take my vote.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Desta,

          You get the golden award for this thread. Thank you so much for this link It was a fantastic read.

    • Hope

      Bingo,Brother Gheteb!
      That substantiates my comment/arguement about Eritrea being the land of the Origins of Life and that the migration could have been from North to South as Professor Asmerom Abay argues quite scientifically(at dehai and his blog–and Cousin SAAY knows this and corrected me that the Blen of Eritrea could be the origins of the Kimant and Agew of Ethiopia–in Tigray,Gonder,Gojam and Wello).
      Gheteb,
      You rock ,my man!
      Now you are telling me that Lali Bela is from Eritrea/Beja-,and by default,the Agew Dynasty /Queen Judith,who was spotted and travelled through Seraye of Eritrea, included,originated from Eritrea.
      -Further more,the Agew Dynasty is said to have some Middle East origin—(Judea and Yemen)
      And interestingly,the Jewish /Israeli,claimed–even via genetic/DNA analysis,that the Blen of Eritrea were related to the Jewish.
      Not kidding as this was scientifically analysed and researched.
      My point:
      History,not story,is a fact…..and if we have to argue for the sake of arguement,Eritrea is some of the origins of Life and people based on history and Archaelogy.
      In the event,Eritrea and Eritreans have a UNIQUE Identity,not just original INDENTITY!
      Silezi: tihim zibeles yitahgom ghiddi!
      But ,is it essential to go go back and forth on this topic,rather than focusing on Peace,Regional Reconciliation and Economic Integration,even if it is difficult due to some “Hassadat and kena’at”?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Haw Hope,
        Don’t we look we are still still searching our identity? Or is that all to show that we don’t have any relationships with any Ethiopian social groups? Really……we have a problem then. Can we close this”identity issue” by recognizing or admitting that every Eritrean social group know the origin of their identity. There are many dire issues we can talk about people. Those we have interest to research about our identity, let them write/aothor books for the new generation

        • Hope

          Ustaz Aman,
          Absolutely, and that was my point,unless you are arguing against my arguement.
          There is no point of debating undebtable issues.
          We are Africans/Eritreans.
          As to the Ethio-Eritrean peoples’ relationship,well the facts speaK FOR THEMSELVES.IF SOCIO-CULTURAL AND LINGUISTIC PARAMETERS are to be applied,yes indeed,we are brothers and sisters…but Independnet and Sovereign States,that should NOT be questioned evene for an a nano- second
          FYI:
          in 1993, when I was working closely n Addis with the Ethiopians in general and the ” weyenti” in particular,I was convinced that and I thought we will be one ” Country and one People’ within less than a generation time.-At least some kind of Integration,which was stated by PIA(DIA–for your convenience).
          Aman,
          As to your stand and position,I respect it and there is no worry about what people say or bluff about others.Even if-(I say “If” as I do not know your position on that intervention saga) you support the intervention by the Ethiopians,that is your opinion and position you are entitled to.
          My only suggestion is that you have to try to convince us realistically by considering the facts on the ground and based on the pros and cons of the intervention.
          Moreover,I would expect you to provide us with a clear case scenarios of OPTIONS for Solutions for/to our problems besides challenging the already presented options by others.
          I do not expect you to give us black and white suggestions but case scenarios including those of others with your clear rationale as to why you would support or not support them;their pros and cons….and some “ideal” ones,including the Ethiopian Intervention but with its implications,long term outcomes,including the unexpected and the unkwons….I hope Sem and Ms Hayat Adem will help you on that last option.
          Mis sany Timnit!
          Make sure you do not make some Med Errors due to the “addiciton” to this forum…on top of your positive contribution,definitely.

          • Hope

            Mis san timnit-meant to read as ” Mis Senay Timnit”

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam ‘gheteb,
      .
      Well, this is one theory. Do you have another?
      .
      K.H

    • Saleh Johar

      Gheteb,

      How do you discern legend from reality? Take Lalibela and you can find similar sounding words in different language, but that does not mean his origin is from that linguistic group. Some told me Lalibela is Arabic, La lilbala’a لأ للبلاء “no to calamities”. One can speculate endlessly. Of course that is in the realm of mythology and legends. Importantly, a 1000 years history (even if it is oral) is more credible than a 10,000 years history. Our people were identified as Habesha by the prophet Mohammed. Do we throw that away, just like that? I suggest you think about it some more, cousin.

      Your Habesha cousin, Saleh 🙂

      NB: I know that some Sudanese scholars argue first Hijra was to Sudan. I don’t see any value in that debate, for now.

      • Ted

        Hi SJ, Habesha is interesting word. if it were for its original meaning “dark skin” i wouldn’t mind we all called Habesh as it is given to us by some group to help them identify us. My guess is we did’t chose it. As time went by some claim the name as the extension of their Ideology and those who don’t want to be associated with those claimers of the name distance themselves from it. As it good it sound it has more divisive and derogatory tone than uniting one. i have yet to see The Habesha group for this and that.

        • Saleh Johar

          Ted,

          Earlier I said identity is fluid and overtime it changes. You can identify yourself with any identity you wish–politically, you are Eritrean. As an Eritrean, I have always known myself as Habesha. The derogatory use of Habesha has multi-faceted origin. First, many non-Mulism Eritreans associate it with Christianity–in some circles, Hebeshtay is almost synonymous with a Christian. The Arabs use it in a derogatory way, particularly in Saudi Arabia. Habeshi is generally one of their servants–including Hindi, Refig (for Pakistanis) etc. But in Eritrea, I grew up eating megbi Habesha, dancing Habesha, admiring Kdan Habesha. Is it me or someone grew up eating megbi Tigrinya, admiring kdan Tigrinya and dancing Tigrinya? By the way, what does kdan eritra look like? Is it Zuria or lewyet, or Etaq? What is megbi Ertra, gaAat, zigni, shro or fish? The issue is: you cannot change being black because some racist calls you the N word. You can’t stop being Habesha because someone has a negative perception about it, or worse, they are into social re-engineering and want to change identities. Nah. Be content with what you are. Respect others and they will reciprocate. Disrespect their identities, and they will react similarly.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear SGL,
            ዕድመን ጥዕናን ይሃበለይ::

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            “You can’t stop being Habesha because someone has a negative perception about it.” Right on. But there is also another reason why they want to deny their “habeshanet”: Since habesha includes certain Ethiopian groups they don’t want to be associated with Ethiopia. Anything common with Ethiopians, the deniers will fight to disown it. That is the way I perceived their fights regarding habesha.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Teacher,
            don’t you see it is okay for some one who don’t identify him self as Habesha to live side by side who believe he is Habesha? I think it is possible. and with out any fight let the journey decide. for example, I will work hard in introducing my language and my letters my Ge’ez and my entire culture it doesn’t mater my religion but the way I live,eat, and wear etc. Let my way shine and let others way shine and in process they may go parallel or one will be accepted by the mass in the future. in fact the globalization era is eating the meaning of nations and cultures and we may have to create strong united cultural revolution peacefully to tackle and survive for our coming generation. Big job for us to let our culture pass though the new technological world, isn’t it? your say sir,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Kokhbay,

            Habesha is one of our identity. We ought to respect all our identities including being “habesha.” Those who are denying it, is simply they don’t want anything that associate them with Ethiopia.

          • Ted

            Amanuel, really? You are giving it your own political spin. Habesha is given to us for one or another reason but we owned and loved it as our own. You want to portray who oppose your political view as unreasonable and thickheaded people who don’t even admit they are Habesh. It is cheap shot. You can defend Ethiopia as you wish but can’t sell the very known fact, Habesha includes Eritrea.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Ted,
            he has said the truth. Yet, you are still free to believe you are not Habesha. that is what I try to put it for you, why you want to see everything as negative? all you have to do is work on what you believe, and let the future prove us if you can live without your culture.

          • Ted

            KS, good for you, good for me we are Habesha. Don’t get it twisted.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Ted,

            Debating on habeshanet is debating on identity. What I have said isn’t my political view. It is only my assertiveness to being an Eritrean habasha. Nothing else. I could visualize smacking your lips and gnashing your teeth to the extent you forget to follow the rules and etiquette of addressing.

            regards,

          • Ted

            Dear Amanuel, I am responding to you for what you said. I did’t see the need for quoting. But here is what you said.
            ” Since habesha includes certain Ethiopian groups they don’t want to be associated with Ethiopia. Anything common with Ethiopians, the deniers will fight to disown it. That is the way I perceived their fights regarding habesha.”
            if these is not political spin of people’s perception, what is?

          • Kokhob Selam

            Amuni,

            Thank you. short to the point.

          • Mizaan1

            Dear Amanuel,

            As I am sure you have been noticing, there has been a recent unrest and insecurity in some circles or I should say individuals about the habesha people of Ethiopia and Eritrea. The problem arises because of a perception by some individuals that the highlander Eritreans are more in tune with their habesha roots than their Eritreanism. I call this paranoia. I am habesha first and then Eritrean.

            As a highlander Eritrean, I have more in common with Tigrayans and even Amaharas than with the lowlander Eritreans. But I share my nationality with the Eritrean Kunama, Nara, Hidarib, etc. I also believe that I have a much intertwined history with the Tigrayans than with the lowland Eritreans going centuries back. But that is then, this is now. That is history, now is the reality of the day. We now have a nation called Eritrea where we share with eight other ethnic groups who are also very much like us. So why is this hard to understand? Why does an Eritrean habesha saying ‘he is habesha’ make him associated with present day Ethiopia? Nationality is one thing and racial identity is another thing. I am an Eritrean Habesha. Rahwa T is an Ethiopian Habesha. What is wrong with this? Even if Gheteb is completely right about his history about habesha, if people have even erroneously identified themselves as habeshas in the context that we know today, there is no threat to anybody from that. Again, being Eritrean is a citizenship and being habesha is an identity.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mizan,

            Your precise description as you put it, goes like this: “being Eritrean is a citizenship and being habesha is an identity”. As of 1991 this description is the right description for those who are proud with their habeshanet. I respect my habeshanet and am proud as an “Eritrean Habesha.”

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Dear SJ, my understanding of Habesha is what you described above. I never thought this turn out to be offensive word after i left my backyard to where i am now. When an Arab asks me if i am Habesh, i never hesitate a bit to respond, yes i am Habesha knowing what he thinks of me as Habesha. What i become sensitive about is the way of accommodating of my people who are categorically known to be Habesha but refused to come to terms with the Habesh label. So the term “we all are Habesha” regardless of its innocent connotation would be stepping on the toe of those who don’t be called Habesha. Personally i am Habesha and enjoy everything you mentioned, the people and the culture. The most i like about Habesha is its nondiscrimination between Eritrea and Ethiopia but i also saw people who go bersek. So all known to be Habesha are not Habesha.

          • Saleh Johar

            Selam Ted,

            You are right.There is one main reason this is happening. The PFDJ has managed to politicize all our lives. Even the way we talk is loaded, not straight talk but crooked, kebahal y’kaal, etc. Songs are politicized, no more art or entertainment. We can’t talk about anything without referring to some PFDJ description, of all things. Even our identity is politicized, our personal relations–businesses that are not in line with the PFDJ are targeted for damaging. Spouses, parents, everyone is a legitimate political target as far as the PFDJ is concerned. Imagine, all the “I am not Habesha, I am Eritrean” crowd–they are mainly PFDJ lots. Remember how they wreaked havoc on the community centers that they believe they must control, the churches, the priests who must fall in line! Such disasters would not happen in a country with civil associations that think for themselves. Societies that conduct studies, debates, dramas, etc, without interference from the government. In short, awate.com has been trying to create a small space for such discussions and debates, a modest alternative. Alas, some think this is a battleground (literally, swords, bombs, tanks, zeraf-zeraf) not an intellectual debating forum, of ideas. The PFDJ condescendingly attempts to promote the perception that it is the only entity that cares for Eritrea; at the same time, it destroys all its values and tramples over the rights of its citizens. That is why I wish the PFDJ is weeded out, because its tentacles are so deep and can’t be taken out by surgical means, just like a weed. When you think you removed it, the the next day you find it sprawling again. The only way to remove the PFDJ is to dig deep and remove all the roots, all the possibilities of it growing again must be taken care of. But I am open if anyone can do it in any other way, as long as the end result is justice and respect of rights. Not zeybesele kitcha 🙂

          • Mizaan1

            Dear SJ. What you said here is impeccable. Everyone should read it. If I may add one thing – it is very possible to be a proud Habesha Eritrean. Those two are not mutually exclusive.

            One observation – every time I ran into an Ethiopian, they ask me “Abesha neh?” I rarely ever get the same question from Eritreans. They usually either go quietly or say ‘Selam’ and that’s it. I don’t quite know what this entails but it seems like habesha is not necessarily seen as a positive attribute in Eritrea.

          • selam

            Dear Mizan
            I agree on all what you said especially the reply to some questions from our southern brothers, i have never ever gave postive or negative answer but i just pass the question of habesha and i reply with one thing i am Eritrean. The notion SJ used is just not on the ground may be he lives where our southern brothers made the communities. I have never ever heard my family used the word habesha , my mother used to teach us about the word as a derogatory word used by arabs towards us. Habesha has zero relationship with shiro, zigni and other stuff saleh is just making this up and i can sue him and win but as you know there is court who handles words like habesha. Because some one is not habesha is does not mean he is PFDJISTA as saleh try to lecture us. This forum as he described best is not for ideas and i guess he should only tell us what to say and that will make him equal to PFDJISTA.saleh tried to connect the word habesha to some thing irrelevant history. Ethiopians have tried everything to look for things they were looking and this word is basically one of them. Fiyameta should hsve been best lesson again they are copying it.

            i am not habesha and it does not belong to me, it never will. Still no one in this forum will question my opinion against IA unless he is in bed with weyane.

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi selam,

            What is not on the ground? That I am Habesha? But I am on the ground and I am telling you I am Habeshi! Where I live doesn’t make a difference, where I call home is the topic. In what I call home, Eritrea, I am Habesha or Habeshi. I do not know what you are, you tell me. But neither your family or my family can impose an identity on others. You don’t need to go back to confirm how the Saudis use it derogatorily, I confirmed that to you. I am making up kdan Habesha, and Habesha dance, etc?

            Facts selam: “because some one is not habesha is does not mean he is PFDJISTA as saleh try to lecture us..” Where the heck did I say that? Don’t attribute stuff I didn’t say to me. A Habesha or a non-Habesha can be a PFDJISTA, more specificcaly, the overwhelming supporters of the PFDJ are Habesha–there, spin that if you could.

            Can you explain how I tried to connect “Habesha” to something irrelevant history? Aha! That I mentioned the prophet Mohammed refers to Habesha? Are you contesting that? Okay, if people can quote 120 year old Marxist books, I cannot quote a 1500 years book called Koran, or a 2000 year old bible? Forget religion to satisfy your criteria, it is a reference by any measure. But I am amazed how someone denies (or doesn’t know) the existence of Habesha in Eritrea. Unless we are talking about two different Eritreas, Honestly, I do not know the other Eritrea.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Saleh J.,
            I like your argument very much and want to say “yigermenalo!” to those who fail to see great ancient, value in front of them. They practice it daily, but deny it. ” wala tnfer …”
            With great respect,
            RT

          • Hope

            Selamt Ms Rahwa,
            I like Selam’s 21 Centuary style arguemnt and analysis too,don’t you?
            It is a standardized analysis with zero error margin.
            I am Eritrean–that is all!You are Ethiopian….You forgot us…case closed.
            You have no right to talk about people you forgot about!
            Move on forward,not back ward!
            Case closed.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Hope,
            I am reading this comment after I posted a comment that you are proud Habesha in reply to Selam. Sorry, tegagiye. ay Habesha endikha tmesleni nerka?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Rahwani,
            ere ezon Habesha aykon’nan ziblu bisenkikhi mai mistay ewun keygedfuwo. wei eni’ekha gize!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Fanti,
            ኣረ ጉድ እዩ ይሕርሱ ዶ ኸ? ነዘን ክልተ ሰብ ሓቂ (ሓያትን ራህዋን) እንትሪኡ ቀርናቶም እማ ሰማይ እዩ ዝትንኪ :: ብስሩ ደም ስሮም ብትኽትኽ ዘይኮነ ልብል!! Lol

          • Hope

            Rahwit Shikorina,
            You read me wrong.
            Read my previous comment about Ethio-Eri Situation.
            My point is to avoid politicizing the word, Habesha.
            Plus,your(Ethiopia’s) attitude and approach is pushing us to stay away form that kind of Politics…..

          • sara

            Dear hope,
            i really don’t understand why you and other eritreans have to converse with someone who thinks and says explicitly that we eris are #####, actually she should be banned from this forum which is eritrean and mostly discusses eritrean issues, but that is left to the awate moderators decision.
            i wouldn’t visit ethiopian websites with that type of attitude and am sure no one will allow me to say things which are offensive to ethiopians.

          • Abi

            Kemey dear sara
            You can’t be more offensive than this . Banning someone because this is eritrean website.
            I never considered this eritreans only website. This is not a church or a mosque where everyone reads from the same book. This is a place where Abeshas come to share their two cents.
            Take it easy.

          • sara

            Dear sir, i said the ovious this website is eritrean, i dont think there is offensive undertones in it, it is awate.com “eritrean” i dont think any one will dispute this unless he has ulterior motives, i didnt say this website is only for eritreans. i also don’t agree with you that this website is a place where Abeshas come to share their 2-3 cents. that is actually offensive, because many who are here are not habesha.
            pls do not reply,
            with respect!

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Sara,
            Be calm sis. Show me my problem and if I have insulted you. I can’t make a vulgar word out of your hidden word. The only word I could make is “agame”. But this is not vulgar as far as we are concerned. In fact I can offer you “mess ” or TiHlo for calling me with that name. “kab ageme zeywled kab kilti’u Hadi’u” yesemAy embeytey sara. But for the record I didn’t say Eris are agame or all Eris are Habesha. What I said is this: “if there are Arab Egyptian as Arab in many other countries, why is it not possible for some portion of Eritrea to be Habesha.” If this arguments is an insult to you (or majority of Eris), convince your people and argue that such claim is “tash’ay selaHta worar” and I should be banned from “reading” (I am not saying posting) Awate.com.

          • selam

            Dear Teacher saleh

            i could not imagine you replied to me , you know the categories of schools in here like the greats, chauvinistics, the PFDJSITA. Any way lets explain from your 2 posts about habesha
            You gave Gheteb to check about the 1500 years old and i do took that us irrelevant to the term habesha because there is no historical facts that imply to eritreans and also ethiopians at the current situation so i basically said you were trying to base your argument on that reference. if i misunderstood take my apologies.
            On the connection of the caltural enter connection between the people of ethiopia and the eritrean highlanders like zigni, kidan habesha, music these things has nothing to do with the word habesha.
            You know for a fact when you try to put things on your own life experiences i assumed you will creat agreat effect as people will normally take you serous and i am one of them. I did not grow up with higlanders so do their music but i do believe i am connected to them than ethiopians and they (highlander) have much in common than the southerners Ethiopians.
            Here you have it. I was in no position to put words on your mouth but i wrote what i understood. The word habesha is more used by ethiopians than eritreans and on that i can tell you it is true. And this word is more seen as a refernce to make heinous political score than to see the similarities of the two people.
            Lets make it clear that i under no circumstances tend to favor PFDJ politicsl points if i refuse to swim with your habeshits. i would love to throw the word habesha to a non recycling . I am Eritrean and if there are Eritreans who feel habesha l will let them have it . But i will still refuse some people from eritrean highland to mke political points as you indicated that when you said this rejection of habesha is the work of PFDJ.
            As you said in other post identity are fluid and it changes over time, so it has been long time from the time of 2000 years to now. I have new identity as Eritrean only, that should not make me a supporter of the bloodsucker man.

          • Hope

            Ahlen Your Excellency,Mr Saleh Johar:
            I appreciate your input…as usual.
            Just ONLY one addendum:
            -As much as we working very HARD to “weed out the PFDJ and its deep-rooted deadly security apparatus”,we should work HARDER to build a UNITED FRONT of Justice Seekers in an organized manner so as to mobiklize our people for one goal—so as–to expedite the ” Weeding out Struggle”.
            Are we working hard,efficiently,effectively,harmonously,,etc—?If so,why have we failed then for the last QUARETR of a CentuarY?
            I do not believe that “Talking about ID,origin,history,etc..”. is the time now,as we already achieved that and we know our history unambigously;.but doing so is waste of time and shifting the struggle to laziness!

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,

            Thank you for having an inflated trust on me. But I do not know and I am not interested in building a United Front. Maybe you can do it. I will help as much as I can, but first you start it. If you do not approve of a discussion topic, simply keep away from it. Let everyone discuss what they like.

            Important: this morning I read your comment in response to Ali. You said it is better for Isaias to stay in power to deal with people like Ali. Now, you wish Isaias to stay longer because one person by the name Ali annoyed you! With that kind of position, do you think you can build a united front, or do you hope that anyone would join you? My friend, make your position clear and promote it. Then tray to attract or gravitate towards people with similar views. Viola! Your baby steps to form a United Front. Otherwise, don’t worry about it.

          • Hope

            My Dearest Ustaz Saleh:
            I am learning more than ever that communication is key every where,any where,any time,etc….
            I never knew that I am that much bad at it!
            Please,be so kind to read me from “Contextual” point of view.
            Ali’s attitude and perception,based on my reading of his comments,is beyond comprehension and it sounds like he has some kind of “agenda”.
            I repeatedly told you that there is a way of telling the Truth.His way of relaying his message is dangerous,to say the least, eventhough he is entitled to his views and opinions.
            And as such,that was my reaction….,which I am entitled to as much as he is entitled to!
            Do you stil lbelieve that the Ali salim’s NOTORIOUSLY inflammatory,defamatoiry,discriminatory and unchecked rhetoric aginst the Highlanders and Christians is/appropriate?
            To answer it for you,NO!
            Irrespective of its truth,facts,etc—,it was,it is and it will be a BLACK HISTORY for Ali Salim and your website….,at least in my opinion.
            Ali is telling me that the PFDJ is exclusively and purposely ignoring and targeting the Muslims and Lowlanders,when the FACTS are the other way round.and/or,while the PFDJ has been targeting any and every Eritrean indiscrimnately.
            Guess what?
            If The Arab Spring style,the Yemeni Style,etc—is going to be Ali’s and his Co’s strategy to bring change in Eritrea,well,I will “Adore” PIA if he is able to keep Eritrea safe from that kind of Revolution until we are ready for a “BETTER” Style revolution.
            Did you hear me,Sir?
            I stand frim on my reaction to Ali and will NOT apologize to him !

          • Saleh Johar

            Hope,
            You stand on your reaction, which is wobbly to sat the least.

            Who do you think I am, the grand mufti of Muslims? If you have an issue with Ali, go deal with him. Wy involve me of what he said, I commented on what you said without touching the little topic you had with him.

            As for Ali Salim, you bring it every now and then, which tells me you are one of the major cadres who waged a defamatory campaign against awate.com and me. Why do you keep asking me about Ali Salim’s position? Unlike you, my position on every thing that might concern you is out there. Stop this behavios of mixing ten topics in one to appear informed. Everyone can attest you are not. You stand with each of your legs planted on each side of the river banks. Pick one side and stand there firmly.

            My point that sent you on a tangent is concise and clear: I do not believe you have a clear stand on issues if an annoyance with one comment from a certain Ali can push you to say, I wish Isaias stays longer! One sentence could not have triggered that latent expression. That shows your principles and character.

            I beg you for the last time, spare me your nonsensical comments if you do not know how to address an issue precisely without mixing it with a million misguided notions that are stuffed in your mind. One question and you are all over the place. It is not fun communicating with you. Will you leave me alone? Will you?

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Gadi:
        Cousin Gheteb reminded me of E.Melekin, not in bigotry of course, but of his discerning of legend. He makes the opposite case though;-)
        I love his take on Lalibela but for all I know Lalibela could be a corruption of “laley Bella”;-)

      • Dayphi

        Salamat ya ustathi
        as for the sudanese wishful thinking, 3idde bela3kum bellom. ام يحسدون الناس علي ما اتاهم الله من فضله…..An-Nisa [ 4:54 ] Allah made the Land of Habasha THE land of Justice. For that reason, the Prophet S.A.W. sent his pioneer companions to The Land of Habasha. Neza Hanti cab mella’e 3alem ziyada zellatinna khe’a keHdgoona delyom? Way good! TsibaH’ke kem nai Addi Gratt haddish meqabir nai Imamna Ahmad An-Nagashi ab Port Sudan, way Khartoum, way Shendi ksorHoo deyom? والله هدا اخر زمان..طلعوا علينا ناس يدعون ارض الحبشة كانت في شندي او سواكن او في الخرطوم.

        • Dayphi

          ولم تكن في اكسوم و حواليها. Ultra nationalists mashrooming everywhere. Ours kick the Habeshannet out of Eritrea, while non Habeshite sudanese wanna become – bi qudrat Qaadir- Ardul Habasha.
          Zemen grimbiTt….

  • Semere Andom

    To Moderators and awatistas who were in the receiving end when today’s descending to the gutter was assisted by me (Sorry for the passive voice:)) Please accept my sincere apologies.
    To my friends Saleh and Sal: I was carried away, please also accept too
    The data Nitricc provided and the discussions I initiated based on it about nation creation and Babylonian times would have been invigorating and enlightening, but instead it killed brain cells for all of us, I shoulder my responsibility
    Sem

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Semere. Thank you for being frank about today’s (actually it’s been a couple days) unfortunate back and forth with Nitrcc. I don’t know where I can find it but one of your comments was incredibly poorly written that I reread it a couple times to no avail. I think the intelligence and civility of commenters like you, Amanuel Hidrat, T. Kifle, Burbank, Fanti Ghana, even Hope most of the time is what makes this one of the most informative websites about Eritrea and Ethiopia.

      Honestly, there are easily a couple hundred comments per article. So many of the comments are regretful and a waste of everyone’s time. Engaging that guy is like a nasty cold that won’t go away. So it’s better to debate with the likes of Gheteb who are at least incredibly gifted although wrong ideas. Anyway, not passing judgment but I advise you to show more restraint and think of the rest of thousands of people reading here. People expect high level comments from you and I am sorry to tell you this but you’ve failed us as you were getting entangled with Nitricc.

  • Nitricc

    Hi Ethiopians and Tigryans!
    I don’t get. I hear Ethiopians bombarding us without marcy how their economy is kicking azz and the development is unmatched in Africa. Even the toothless Semere is drooling with how Ethiopia is making it.
    Here compare this data and tell me; you can’t even par with toothless Kenya? Wow.

    “Ethiopia Kenya
    Population 96 million 45 Million
    Life expectancy 60.7 years 63.5 years
    Literacy 39% 87.4%
    GDP per capita $1300 $1800
    Electricity production 4.92billion Kwh 7.33billion Kwh
    Telephone Mobile 20.5 million 30.7million
    Internet hosts 179 71,018
    Internet users 447,300 3.996 million”
    (Literacy 39% 87.4%) this is not acceptable. mind bugling.

    • Semere Andom

      Nitricc:
      Ethiopia is doing well, it may implode, no one knows. Kenya it has what 50 years ahead of Ethiopia. And Ethiopia will be the third largest economy in Africa says the WB in 20 years. Are you saying they are biased too?
      You and PFDJ are counting on Ethiopia to disintegrate, I as an Eritrean want a stable Ethiopia, it is good for the region and good for Eritrea, good for all humanity. Your hate for Ethiopia needs help from a shrink, no mentor can cure you for that because it medical. You also forgot HIV rate of 4% in Ethiopia and is the same in Eritrea. Eritrea is worse off than it was 20 years Ethiopia is better off than it was 20 years
      Question to you Mr. Truth, why do you speakl their language(Amharic) better than any Eriterean language and visit Ethiopia and enjoy the beautiful Gojam women?
      PFDJ needs your expertise, your hate of Ethiopia and your prayers for its collapse, please take sabbatical from USA and help PFDJ in that area, this way Ethiopia can collapse and fail before Eritrea does

      • Nitricc

        Hi Semere; I think you are retarded. I rally do. You came to defend Ethiopia with a speed of a bullet and worst your excusing Ethiopian’s failure. You said Kenya had 50 years a head of Ethiopia. Maybe you didn’t catch on but the Ethiopians never failed to tell us that they are the oldest country with history of 3000 years and they never been colonized. Now; how is it Kenya 50 years a head of Ethiopia?

        • Mizaan1

          Nitricc:

          Please answer the man’s question.

          “Question to you Mr. Truth, why do you speakl their language(Amharic) better than any Eriterean language and visit Ethiopia and enjoy the beautiful Gojam women?”

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Nitricc
          That is not the point, I do not believe their 3000 years story. I am telling you Ethiopia is better off, it improved, Eritrea regressed. I am not comparing Eritrea and Ethiopia, I cannot because Ethiopia had a ahead start, you should know this because you live it, it binary, either 0 or 1
          Forget Ethiopia just compare Tigray, which was way worse than Eritrea, it has left your fictitious Eritrea to the dust, the one you love from your blind date, remember. Your pain is excessive as MIT opens in Mekele and UofA closes in Asmara, talk about that

          • Berhe Y

            My friend Semere.

            You wrote: “I do not believe their 3000 years story”.

            Question: Why don’t you believe the 3000 years “story” history? Do you believe the remains found at Lower Valley of Awash of Lucy, believed to be at least 4 million years?

            Below are some examples (I am sure you know) from UNESCO World Heritage Sites.

            Aksum:
            http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/15
            The ruins of the city of Aksum, dating from the 1st to the 13th century,
            mark the heart of ancient Ethiopia and what was the “most powerful
            state between the Eastern Roman Empire and Persia”. It includes monolithic obelisks, giant stelae, royal tombs, and ruins of former castles.

            Fasil Ghebbi
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasil_Ghebbi
            The fortress was the residence of the Ethiopian emperors during the 16th
            and 17th century. The city remains, which feature buildings with Hindu and Arab influences, were later remodelled with Baroque-style architecture by Jesuit missionaries.

            Harar
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harar
            The city is on a plateau and surrounded by gorges and savanna. It
            contains 82 mosques, 102 shrines, and unique interior design in the
            townhouses. It is said to be the fourth-holiest city of Islam.

            Lalibela
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalibela
            The site contains eleven medieval cave churches from the 13th century.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi BY:
            You were needed here
            Well, thanks for this reading, I will read them but the point is, 3000 years ago for sure the people and the civilisation existed, the land may have also existed, but a consolidated country called Ethiopia, 3000 years did not exist. Ethiopia is mentioned in in genesis too, but it is not this Ethiopia, Mose’s wife was Ethiopian they say, but she was not from this Ethiopia, also the bible says Ethiopial will vanish and I do not believe it is this Ethiopia that will vanish. If someone is named Yohannes, it does not mean he is the baptist or the apostle , but he is named after one of them, so Ethiopia was named after the Ethiopia of 3000 years ago. Eriterea is little over 100 years old but the people lived on the same land for thousands of years and when it we say Moses helped his people cross “bahri Eritrea’ we do not mean it is our sea, it means the red sea. that is what am saying.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere you getting better and better.
            “the land may have also existed”
            No Sunshine; the land was donated by Canada 100 years ago. “The land may have also existed” lol

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            You really proved your stupidity thinking you caught me.
            can some one say something about changing continents and land scape here, while Nit recharges 🙂

          • Nitricc

            Again Semere; borders and boundaries my change; countries my split but the land; it is always there. Don’t make it worst because you got caught with another bone head statements. I can not believe you insult the Ethiopians?

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Nitricc,
            Did Semere really say that? I was laughing too hard reading your reply to read his.

          • Berhe Y

            Thanks SA.
            It’s really hard to keep up for me (reading), let alone comment . I admire yours and the rest of AT family dedication.

            I think many people have argued convincingly that there is some truth to the history. I like the example SGJ gave what the Profit refers as the Habesha King, which I believe was referring to the Ethiopian (or Abisinaian king at the time).

            Just because the name has changed, does not mean that the history didn’t exist. Off course modern day boarders, maps have changed not only for Ethiopia but for almost all countries in the world, specially African countries.
            Eritrea is a different story and it’s existence created after the Italian colonization, but I don’t think one can make similar argument as that of Ethiopia.

            For example, today’s Greek in no way resemble ancient Greek. If you ask a Greek to name his country, he will say Hellenic and if you ask him to name his language he will say Ellenika. You will never hear the work Greek in Greek person vocabulary. Because the name was given to them by the Turks and it means a slave. But that’s the name the world know about them today.
            Does this to mean Greek did not exist those thousands years ago?

            I asked the question because, I don’t know if it’s by design or by purpose I think, in order to justify our “diffidence” we tend to throw away our “identity” specially that of our “habesha”. I am personally habesha first and Eritrea second. Because as much as Eritrea means a lot to me, for me personally the habesh identity have a lot more meaning rather than a name and a country that was created by people who come to oppress, enslave and colonize me.

            Off course I am mindful that Habesha does not mean the same for all Eritreans and that’s perfectly ok. What I don’t understand is, Eritrea rights to exist and the right to self determine it’s future is fully legal and justified, but there is no need one have to go and erase his identity for no apparent reason. I never call my self “Tigrina” or “Biher Tigrina”. I think Kokeb Selam said is best and I agree with him.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Berhe Y

            Love it.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Salam Brother Berhe,
            Put a cross on top of African map diving it equally. The top right corner is Habesha! I will argue with SGJ on this one till the end of time. just wait until I retire. But for now, he makes compelling argument I can’t defeat.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere; you sound a paid agent with every passing day.
            I hit you with this “Literacy 39% 87.4%” and you came up with
            “Forget Ethiopia just compare Tigray, which was way worse than Eritrea, it has left your fictitious Eritrea to the dust, the one you love from your blind date, remember. Your pain is excessive as MIT opens in Mekele and UofA closes in Asmara, talk about that.”

            You said “Forget Ethiopia compare Tigray” do you know you are insulting the Ethiopians? I thought Tigray was in Ethiopia and part of Ethiopia? So, you are saying Tigray is developing at the expenses of the rest of Ethiopia; right? By that statement you proved your readers you are worthless dumb. I know Semere used taking what the welfare nation gives to him; it is no big deal if the Tigryans has to take it from the rest of Ethiopia but; in a true world; nothing is free. If the Tigryans are taking it from the rest of Ethiopia as Semere is telling us; then someone down the road will pay it back. Trust me on that one. You can build a nation of 8 million at the expense 90 million. Only dumb people like will make that statement. having said that I was addressing the Ethiopians and Tigryans; are Ethiopian or Tigryan to answer my question? Besides; I was comparing Ethiopia with Kenya; why bring Eritrea in to this? Did I mention Eritrea? You must the one with most boring and worthless life. Do something.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc
            Do not worry about me insulting Ethiopians, they will defend it and they will tell me and they know I am not insulting them
            IT is good for you recharge that 1KB RAM, that is why are on and off in understanding remotely abstract ideas.
            You call yoru self Truth teller, I am truth so I call your stupidity if ignorantly address any humabeings, besides you mentioned my name, I think was erases when the power went of on that RAM

          • T. Kifle

            Dear Semere A.

            It seems you have a point. The title of his comment reads “Hi Ethiopians and Tigryans!” and here you have him discipling you for merely taking something from his lines.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Semere,
            If you believe the 5000 yrs old history of the Chinese, Egyptians, Iran, why is it difficult for you believe the 3000 years story? It is a shared history and the evidences are there to be seen.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Semere,
            If you believe the 5000 yrs old history of the Chinese, Egyptians, Iran, why is it difficult for you believe the 3000 years story? It is a shared history and the evidences are there to be seen.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Rahwa:
            See my elaboration to my friend Berhe Y.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Rahwa,
            .
            You are right 3000 years of story. Just to bolster our claim, now even Mr. SAAY believes and accepts it. If he can accept it, no one else should deny us that privilege.
            .
            Except now, Mr. Burbank is making me doubt everything with his theory of villages not knowing each other. shucks.
            .
            K.H

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Kim H.
            I share your point. But may be it is good read him more. Burbank has something new, I guess. We have to wait and understand the core of his argument.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Rahwa,
            KH, Sem, and Burbank (just about everyone actually),
            First: after analyzing the most recent archeological findings of Axum & environs, our recorded history has been pushed farther back to 5000 years ago instead of the well known 3000 years. I am in a half staff mode right now to dig proof of that, but it is there and it is valid.

            Second: on the Burbank’s take regarding his “no contact” post I don’t think he meant it the way you are probably thinking he did. From the context of that post my understanding of what he meant was closeer to saying “there was no as clearly defined political boundaries as we know it today that says from here to there is Tigray.” Otherwise if anyone, let alone Burbank, claims that Seraye did not have contact with Adwa nor Akeleguzay with Agame we are probably closer to simintegnaw shi than we think we are and as Philosopher Abi said last night, MeEmenan Tig’yazu!

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Fant:
            I am not debating 500 or 3000. In fact I said the people were there living probably speaking some version of their current language and the civilization was there but I do not believe they called themselves Ethiopians because the county of Erthiopia was not created then, the same way Eritreans did not call themselves Eritreans 200 years ago. At one point Babylon was the capital of the word and after invasion and changes of people and even languages and territories, we have descendants of the Babylonians in different countries and I do believe that Iraq should neither boast about the accomplishment of Babylon nor be ashamed by some of its primitive laws.

          • saay7

            Selam at KH:

            Actually there are multiple threads going (Berhe v Semere; Burbank v Gheteb; Fanta v SGJ; Nitricc/Tes v everybody) and SGJ touched on it: nation-states are a European construct. What existed before? This gentleman in this extremely informative TED Talks video calls it civilization-state. China is a civilization-state which the West can never understand. Abyssinia was a civilization-state and it was the wily Haile Selasse who made a hard push to strip “Abyssinia” and replace it by “Ethiopia” (one of his first acts was to change the name of the old bank from Abyssinian Bank to Ethiopia…)

            So all the talk of whether Eritrea is a subset of Habesha ( the potency of YG arguments) or whether Habesha is a subset of Eritrea and Ethiopia (the nationalist arguments) are a continuation of the debate between civilization-state or nation-state. When times are hard, you live on past glories (as many of our Eritrean compatriots are doing), when times are optimistic and looking up, you fine tune the nation-state and “Habesha” is not a political term (as is the case in Ethiopia now.”

            Anyway, here’s the video. Enjoy!

            saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            Thanks for the video and comment.
            .
            K.H

      • Rahwa T

        Hi Sem,
        You reminded me. The other day he corrected my Amharic and he was right. He knows amharic better than me, I guess. How about Tigrigna? may be came from non-Tigrigna speaking parents?

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Rahwa:
          You know he is obsessed with Dedebit as an insulting term, I believe that he is not an Eritrean, but he has a kind of anguished desire to be one, I do not why. To wit he can attend MIT, his relatives,if he has any in Eritrea will not be enslaved in Sawa indefinitely, lot of perks and advantages form Dedebit these days:-)
          Even if he is from non-Tigriniya speaking parents, and was not born or raised in Ethiopia why would he know Amharic better than Tigriniya, adyA gedifas hatin’enoa tinafiq”;-)
          He claimed he is from Hibriti, you know what we say,”adi zyblus Himbrti Adey ybil.”

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Sem,

            On our side of the river, we have similar saying “adi zeyblus Adowa Adey ybil” obviously because a number of big men are from this place. What is there in Hmbrti* of Hamassein? I know it is located along the road to Keren, but never heard it as a center that attracts the attention of new comers. m I don’t know if this discussion will call for other warnings. But once in his earlier comments, he said told us at home his father pushed him to learn Tigrigna and Amharic and found learning Amharic easier. On a separate story, in the two where I live, I know a gentle man born in a small town south of Hawasa from an Oromo mother and a Tigrigna (Eritrean) father, never set his foot to his Father land but speaks Tigrigna (asmarino accent) with his Eritrean friends and rarely mention Ethiopia.

            * By the way, we have a small village called Hmbrti in Ethiopia, too. Actually, (to the dismay of Tesfabirhan, Nitricc, Gheteb and Mr Hope), many places with the same or similar names that you found in your country are also found in Ethiopia. SeHarti – Samre, Adi Sanday, mai Ayni, mai liHam, mai Tekhlit, Adi segdo. I am sure there many more that I don’t know. Don’t get confused. These are villages in Tigray. I am not sure if the Harbegna weyenti of the 17th century had copied names from your ancessoter. But Burbank has told us there was no connection between the Kebesa and people of Tigrai. (I wish I misunderstood him. He (?) is such a likable man).

          • Mizaan1

            Dear Rahwa. I have a good news for you. Yes indeed you misunderstood Burbank, probably not entirely but at least a little bit. He was talking about interactions of highland Eritreans and Tigrayans holistically. I hope I don’t misrepresent what he said but it seems to me that he said that even people in neighboring villages had limited contact with each other let alone between say people of Adi Quala and Adwa or Rama. Please see a quote below form Burbank:

            “Naturally,Tigrians are the people who live adjacent to present day Akeleguzay and Seraye and yet there was almost no contacts and interaction between them. In both Tigray and Eritrea, we had, until recently, subsistence farming villages whose interactions are limited among themselves.

            Therefore, I was not implying whether Eritrea was part of Tigray one way or the other.”

          • Burbank

            Hello Mizaan1,

            Thank you very much for :

            1) Surprising me that you are a male. Nothing shocking! Akuno Matata!

            2) Filling in and clarifying my comments to your pals. You exactly understands it like I wanted to convey it. I apologize for my vague sentences. Please be assured that it is due to luck of eloquence in writing; not clarity in thought.

            I look forward to exchanging many informative texts here.

            Peace and Love

            Burbank

          • Rahwa T

            Dears Mizan and Burbank,
            Thank you all for your elaboration.
            Burbank, no, it is my problem in understanding English. There are times where I fail to catch what Sal and other writes. I just skipped them to he next statements. ember natka xegem ayokonen.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Rahwa:
            I was joking about the “Himbrit”, it is Asmara, since you are familiar with Eritrea. 😉
            About the connection, well what I know is people with means were intermarrying, megeshi ykonenan, which means to have blood relatives that you can travel to visit long distance, but for those with no means,it may have been hard to travel. So am not sure about the there was no connection between Tigray and Eritrea, people with the same feaures and language. The separation of citizenship is a different matter. You wonder if Africa was left alone how Eritrea and Ethiopia would be configured.
            About the guy who is pinning his hopes on the collapse of Ethiopia and Tigray so PFDJ can shine, I can bet that the identity is an assue for him, he could be half Ethiopian, a thing that should be celebrated as he can roam both nations. But his problem is the desire to be ONE, no diversity,unlike you he wants one heart and one place of origin, nothing wrong with too, but his is anguished

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T.,

            This is one push to delineate between the mindset of Ethiopians and Eritreans who do not differentiate between two independent countries.

            Two types of thinking are diluting the Eri-Ethio ploitics from being evolved in a concentrated direction.

            1. We are the same people – usually covered under the habesha syndrome
            2. The Arab phobia.

            Unless we come up from these craps that are blocking us from thinking in an objective way, we as people will always repeat the same mistake.

            Solution: Just what happened to Derge mindset and what is happening to PFDJ mindset, we need to dislodge through constant, coercive philosophical reasoning and a follow-up psychological treatments of these liberated folks.

            Hence, I am for this. Don’t try to teach me as I have a reason to do this.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Nitircc——- I am dismayed by the utter failure of Ethiopia and Ethiopians. Take a look at this one; and compare it with Kenya; very sad “Literacy Ethiopia 39% and Kenya 87.4%”
            Semere Andom. ——“Forget Ethiopia just compare Tigray, …. MIT opens in Mekele…..”
            If this is not the ultimate insult to the Ethiopians; then they deserve to be insulted at everything. They don’t deserve any respect.
            What does Tigray offer to Ethiopia? Yet, this goon is coming out insulting like that wow!

          • Semere Andom

            To all Ethiopian awatista
            Can you all put Nitricc out of his misery by either telling me I insulted you so I can apologize or tell Nitricc that I did not insult you so he can shut up

          • Abi

            Dear Sem
            You and I usually travel on parallel lines. However, you have never ever insulted Ethiopians and I hope you will never do that in the future. You are way beyond that. Let the insulting game leave it for someone else from the ghetto.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            Ha ha. You are very good at SEMNA WORK in English too.
            .
            K.H

          • Ted

            Dear KH, Semere is trapped between hard place and a rock. He knows well who TPLF is and the unpopularity of his unholy alliance he has with them. You have to give him a credit for his honesty about TPLF(ethnic minority ruling EThiopia) and (selfishness) for asking them to shed their blood for him. The man needs forgiveness that the country he loves being in danger he chose to sleep with the wolf.

          • Abi

            Ted yeQera lij
            What about sleeping with the wolf saves him from the hyenas or the “Timb ansa” that is waiting. As yeQera lig you know very well what a Tmb ansa can do.

          • Ted

            Abi, Do you know some were in India it is righteous thing to let the “Tinb ansa” consume the corpse bone dry. We need our Tinb ansa to have the feast rather than old friends from Qera( they have enough Amhara and Oromo in their menu)
            . Mibelae miblue es ZibeE adena Yeblaayo.

          • Abi

            Hi Ted
            1 I need translation for the Tigrinya
            2 we don’t have timb ansa anyone. You know Qera is cleared and sanitized. We have replaced them by doves.

          • Nitricc

            No wonder
            The lowest Amara
            Is
            From Gonder.
            Ricash shimagle.

          • Abi

            Helloooo Nitricc
            The Gonderes say
            ” fes yalebet zlay aychlim ”
            They also say
            ” balege sayTerut yimeTal”
            Ende ante aynetun aqaTlo memoQ neber!!

          • Nitricc

            Hi I know all you have left is running your mouth and some worthless proverbs but I never know you have no respect to defend your worthless dignity when some one with big mouth trashed you.
            Worthless pice of );858$@&$@.

          • Abi

            Hello again
            Is that my price? 8 digits? That means I worth something.
            Elel bel Gonder wagah chemroal !!!
            You know how much your government paid for those bus accident victims? Less than 3,000 USD,
            Since you like to compare ethiopia, it will help you.

          • tes

            Dear Semere Andom,

            You will never apologize for saying “Fake Sovereignity” but you are ready to say even if someone from remote confirms you insulted the Ethiopians.

            Paradox of Semere Andom.

            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:
            Let me give you one more chance.
            What is sovereignty to you?
            To me PFDJ is presiding on fake sovereignty, if you call Eritrea that is now ruled by brutes who speak different language from those brutes from them with its territorial integrity still under occupation and some of it give to TPLF for IA pleasure a real sovereign Eritrean then Mariam DeArit is your friend. That is what I called Fake sovereignty to make that real bombing the economic engine of PFDJ is Halal. Wrap your head around that, if not I can still clarify

          • tes

            Semere,

            I thought that you are living in Canada free of coupons. I don’t care whether you will give me more chance or not because you don’t have anything to give.

            Concerning PFDJ, I dont think that we two have differences on the way we describe it. The thing is: you are equating Eritrea with PFDJ when it is not. Eritrea is not PFDJ. To bomb PFDJ is halal but not Eritrea. This is my take.

            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:
            I was right, you were nitricced in 2015:-)
            I know the difference between PFDJ and Eritrea in in fact I commented veraciously to delineate them. By chances I mean to engaged you, please hasebka do not pull Nitricc on me, you being doing that lately.
            Let me ask you this
            I believe we do not have sovereignty now, do you? If you do please defend it by all mean, not only from Ethiopia but from the Eritrean opposition as well and rom the likes of Wedi-Ali

          • tes

            Semere,

            Don’t bother to engage me. I know how to knock your head.

            Yes I do believe we have a sovereign country called Eritrea occupied by a dictatorial rule of PFDJ and I am fighting to make her free from this brutal system.

            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:
            occupied and sovereign? an oxymoron. Done and done, I will not engage you
            Quote of the day by Tes: “we are occupied therefore we are sovereign.”

          • Nitricc

            Hi dear and add anything you want. How old are you? Wow
            You should not be allowed to reproduce My god.

          • tes

            Nitricc,

            Don’t worry, I will show him (Semere Andom) his dumpness.

            tes

          • tes

            Semere,

            I told you, I know how to knock your head.

            One can not claim as occupied unless he possess it. Sovereignity is nothing but possession.

            Let me give you the defintion of occupation

            1. possession, settlement, or use of land or property.

            2. the act of occupying, possessing, or settling.

            3. the state of being occupied, taken over, or settled.

            4. the state of being busy:

            5. the seizure and control of an area by military forces, especially foreignterritory.

            If that is so, PFDJ has occupied a land that I am supposed to have full control of it. I couldn’t go after PFDJ if I din’t believe on my own properity.

            Israel”s Case with its naighbouring countries is one example
            Recent Russian aggression to Ukraine
            And very recently, Yemen’s sovereignity is raided by Saudi lead coalations.

            Eritrea is not different. PFDJ is a home grown occupier of the soverign land called Eritrea and has denied every right the people should have in his own properity.

            Dump but fear occupied

            tes

          • tes

            Plus,

            Quote properly and don’t lie. The thing you quoted is not mine but with an emphasis added by you. Quote is a quote and you have to quote properly.

            One more point:

            If Eritrea is fake, your fight is fake and your loud cry is fake. Stop making a crocodile tears. Unless you are thinking Eritrea is free land where people are looking to occupy. Ethiopians tried the same 70 years ago thinking that Eritrean identity is a fake identity crafted by Italians. And now, you are hitting your war drum thinking that Eritrea is fake and hence possible to invade by Ethiopia.

            I know you will come and accuse me, “where did I say” but I am reading you, every single sentence you are dropping. Gosh, how dump he is.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Prof. Tes,

            This is not the “Amanuel Hidrat” you knew. He is dead and can’t speak from his tomb. This is another Amanuel who is a politically bankrupted. Could you help me, how Semere is looking for an occupation of Eritrea which you already told him “Eritrea is occupied by dictatorial rule of PFDJ”. Unfortunately we are having fun.

          • tes

            Dear AManuel Hidrat,

            Man of the Never Land.

            This is what you wrote, “Occupation is always by foreign entity?

            Then, why Ethiopians fought against Brutal dictatorial regime of Mengistu Hailemariam?

            Ok, since you have lost politics, let me come back to psychology

            What is possession of the mind?

            Enjoy this 2 minutes video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q_Ix-Xeass

            Is this your teaching???

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Prof. Tes,
            Come on professor, as I told you this is not the Amanuel Hidrat who is dead. You are talking with different Amanuel who is alive and want to study some political terminology such as “occupied, dictator, political psychology..etc. Help me please.

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            With all respect I have for you, everything I read in between your lines these days is full of gibberish. A man can not cry all time.

            Be a leader as before. DOn’t go after losers (like Hayat and Semere) and give support by picking single sentences and sometimes half-sentence. You are worth than that.

            This is for respect of you brother Amanuel Hidrat. But in your politics, recently, I have lost all senses from your lines. Hopefully you will up-date quickly.

            tes

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            What are you doing here? Just wait for him at the graveyard. He is working graveyard shift as a grave digger. You talking him over here is a grave mistake which he use it to kill you again.
            ZERAF !! Ene yemote geday !!(Tes)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,
            You are right, Tes went to the graveyard to dig the grave of his old time friend “Amanuel Hidrat” because he missed him a lot. What I heard from the rumors in the town, he found Amanuel’s tomb open and nothing in it.Tes recalled apostle Peter’s denail three times before the rooster crow following the arrest of jesus christ. He is crying because he denied his close comrade in a trail time. Actually he is wondering what happened to the body of his friend. We will hear soon as to what happened to the body of his friend.
            regards,
            Amanuel……?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sem,

            Do you have any clue what “a sovereign country called occupied by a dictatorial rule of PFDJ” mean? Can an Eritrean dictator occupy his country? I don’t get it. Occupation is always by foreign entity.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Emma:
            We need to ask professor Tes of Bisha:-)

          • tes

            Dear Semere,

            I said it before and I repeat, let Bisha be ashed as it is only serving to PFDJ Nevsun company. Yet, Eritrea is Eritrea. Eritrea has no fake sovereignity but a reality that we got it after 30 years bloody war. Are you again with the word that you call it, “sexy word” for our MartyrsIt.

            We are counting on you:

            1. Martyrs – sexy word
            2. Fake sovereignity

            Well, well and here Amanuel Hidrat is coming in support of you. Good point.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Tes you have earned my respect; very hard thing to do.
            Nothing but respect; Sir!

          • tes

            Nitricc,

            I did nothing but if you said it, thank you.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Tes you stood with what you believe and that is priceless. Look Semere he is dying at kissing the weyane Behind. The worst death.

          • Semere Andom

            Tes:
            I am glad you are counting on me, I know deep inside you do:-)
            But u are slowly losing it. Apply ur own rules quote properly, When PFDJ herds you and puts you in a war and harms way needlessly and you perish they will give you sexy name is not the same as martyrdom is sexy.

          • tes

            Semere,

            Yes we count because Eritrea is not simple thing to be equated with PFDJ. PFDJ is born in 1994, and is ruling it with his dictatorial system. If you have piece of humanity, forget about Eritrean identity and values, you could at least respect our history till 1993. Unfortunately, you did none. Ok, many Eritreans did like you and vanished. You will follow too as a sexy commentator.

            I know what political prostitution is and you are one to be. As prostitution is against everything, you too are. It is a known fact that prostitution is not an easy job but everything within it is stupid and silly. And your politics is of that kind.

            The first Eritrean identified as a political prostitute at Awate University. Date: 09.04.2015

            tes

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Tes
            “As prostitution is against everything, you too are. It is a known fact that prostitution is not an easy job but everything within it is stupid and silly”
            Are you talking from experience?

          • tes

            Hi Semere,

            What do you want to figure?

            tes

          • Abi

            Hey Sem
            Please stop this . You are way too smart to drag yourself to his level.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abi Aqatari.

          • Abi

            What’s up Nitricc
            Simun lesew, aweresew.

          • Nitricc

            When he called me a gettoh you have no problem. Right? Well do what you got to do I stand by it Abi is Aqatari

          • Semere Andom

            Abi:
            Thanks so much. I did and your advice is note.

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            Man from the Never Land,

            This is what I wrote, …”occupied by a dictatorial rule of PFDJ”. I am talking about rule and system unless you lost all your politics.

            How awful it is to loss your politics?

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            My good man tes, unless you are practicing an indiscriminate Newtoning everybody, Amanuel Hidrat, I think, is trying to support you. He was cornering Semere to have him surrender, you came in blasting and Semere got away Scott free. Come on tes, don’t go by name only, go by what they say too.
            .
            K.H

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            I have never imagined that you will fall into such political bankruptcy. I feel very sorry for losing you.

            tes

          • Nitricc

            Hi Tes; lol, talk about Newtonian take down lol. That is funny. I will talk to Kim about this I think Semere is tigryan or simply stupid

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc, I just discovered why you are acting the this way today, your better half has been deployed to the middle east lately, do not worry HE will return soon in one piece!

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Sem,
            Who would take him as serious man. Had he been my son, I would have taken may-xolot for three weeks and followed by 2 years at Amanuel Hospital. Poor man!

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            It depends. If the figure is from a good source and correct, I will say shut up Nitric, you are up to no good.
            If you can prove that Semere A was cooking the figures, I will join you and we both use a Newtonian bombardment.
            .
            K.H

        • Mizaan1

          Hi Rahwa T, the worst part of his thing is not his fluency in Amharic or Tigrinya but for someone with a questionable identity, he tries to appear more Eritrean than the rest of us, particularly those of us who want a cordial and fair relationship with Ethiopia. Have you noted some of his posts also show deep and very up to date knowledge of the current state of affairs of Ethiopia, probably more so than even many Ethiopians in this forum? Anyone’s identity is not an issue for me but I hate it when people just flat out try to put me down and make me feel less Eritrean. Like Semere says, being Eritrean is my luck of the draw. I didn’t choose it, it chose me. So nobody can take that away. Heck, I cannot even get rid of it even if I want to.

          • Nitricc

            “someone with a questionable identity”
            Hi Mizan. Hi Mizaan1; hi Ermias, Hi Gerhi, Hi Binyam, Hi Guest; well take a pick. I could not have said it any better.
            @And tell Rahiwa; I wasn’t correcting her; I was telling her how she is less-of-Ethopian.

          • Mizaan1

            Yes, I used Gherhi and Mizan and I have made a disclaimer here. Even if your claim of me being all those people is correct, that is still not a questionable identity. We are not talking about pen names here. We are talking about real identities and you seem to have a big time identity crisis and inferiority issue.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Mizzan,

            Ane’wn nsu’yu zezarbeni zelo. I don’t remember a comment with interesting elements to take (at least for me). The funny is the matured men (and a woman) have been applauding him. entayke kgebru, wala’wn aysem’Omn.

    • Hope

      Nittric,

      That of Eritrea’s data,in fact, has been more attractive…and wondering if you could up-load it with Ref….

      Dr Fikreyesus(a Real Researcher and Post -Doctoral candidate,for that matter) has updated it at TesfaNews/Madote.

      BTW,Cousin Mahmouday,TesfaNews people are NOT my heros but I love them for bringing some good news about Eritrea,as a Nation and I careless about their PFDJiteness

      And this is despiete the sanctions,isolation,containment,Bombings,sabotage,”Brutal Dictatorship”,etc—-
      Sem and Berhe Yohanes:

      -If you believe in Archaelogical Data,Erittea is said to be one of the ORIGINS of life..and as such,the migration could be from North to South and might refute that non-sensical 3000 yrs of history.,which I careless about its truthfullness or falseness–Let it be true..so what?.

      But does it matter though?

      Either way,so what is the fuss about wether ethiopia is that old or Eritrea is that young?
      Unless Weyanay T Kifle et al are going to regurgitate their poisonous vomitus of belittling Eritrea and Eritreans and Eritreanism by telling us that we have no ID—
      BTW,T Kifle,the proverb: “Weyo neti natensi ni-enda hamten”,fits you perfectly,NOT Mahmouday,as you are the one refutung history an dFACTS–besides twisting Facts!What do youcall this?Intellectual bankruptsy and/or Political Acrobatism??Besides being a Unique Psychic–for reading the minds of the TPLF,PMMZ-RIP,Aboy Sibhat ,Ayte Ghebru,etc–

      Talk about Peace,Regional and Economic Integration…

      As to Natural Resources,well, refer to the Western Economic Intelligence Reports.

      PFDJ is not going to be the end of the world or the end of Eritrea,but rather,the end of PFDJ will be the beginning of Eritrea for a non-stop marathon…considering the incredible Natural Resources.and its Human Resources potential—literally from all over the world…

      Those hassadat and jealous ones have a reason to be sleep less.
      Cheers!

  • ‘Gheteb

    An Apocryphal Rendition By Mr. Burbank? You Be The Judge.

    Mr. Burbank asserted that:
    ” Here is a strange fact: Almost no Ethiopians and very few Eritreans know that Eritrea was cut from Tigray/Ethiopia by Italy before Eritreans knew that highland Eritreans and Tigrians belong to the same ethnic group and speak the same language? Do you know most never learnt it since and don’t still know it. Do your own testing and let us know. Let me guess what you are thinking? No, I am not exaggerating.”

    The main sentence that I want to dwell on is: “.. Eritrea was cut from Tigray/Ethiopia by Italy…”. Here what is asserted by Mr. Burbank is that Eritrea was part of Tigray/Ethiopia before the Italians severed and cleaved Eritrea from Tigray/Ethiopia. Is this depiction veraciously accurate? Was Eritrea part and parcel of Tigray/Ethiopia before the advent of the Italians? Well, to answer that let me touch on a bit on what the current Eritrea proper looked like before it became ‘colonia primogenita’ [ first born colony].

    Even at the zenith of the Axumite kingdom, not all of the Eritrean highlands (Kebessa) were part of that kingdom. The Axumite kingdom’s control of those parts of the Eritrean highlands was more nominal than real. It is also true that Adulis in the coastal areas of Eritrea was under the Axumite kingdom. The rest of Eritrea which includes the lowlands was not under the direct control of Axum.

    Right after the fall of the Axumite kingdom, there were five Beja kingdoms in Eritrea that may have lasted up to 600 years. What is more, the Sultanate of Dahlak controlled Massawa and environs from the 9th centurry to the 14th. It is in the 15th century that the Abyssinian monarchs began to have minimal prescence in parts of the Eritrean highlands. Here the local chiefs and Negestat of the Eritrean Kebessa were in constant rebellion against the Abyssinian monarchs because they consider their prescence as an alien domination.

    Let us now see what was going on in the Eritrean lowlands. In the mid 16th century, the coastal areas/Eritrean lowlands fell to the Ottoman Turks and they had nominal control of the area until the end of the 19th century and were replaced by the Anglo/Egyptian rulers which were evicted by the Italians.

    After the end of the Era Of Princes (Zemene Mesafint), in the 19th century, Youhanes IV of Tigray with the help of the British was able to ‘adminster’ the Eritrean highlands. Now here is the cardinal question. Was Eritrea part of Tigray/Ethiopia when Italy made Eritrea its colony? Or, was “Eritrea cut from Tigray/Ethiopia by Italy?” Well, the answer is of course is a resoundgly emphatic NO. How can one even contemplate and render such a counterfactual version of history. We know that the Eritrean lowlands were not under the Yohanes VI.

    Although through the Hewett Treaty that the British recognized Bogos and Massawa as possession of Youhannes IV and Ras Alula fought battles against Italians, he was the governor of Merb Mellash and Midri Bahri and not of Eritrea. Even then Ras Woldemichael of Hamasein was in rebellion and hiding in Bogos which tells us that the Tigrayan king’s nominal rule of that locale just to collect tributes. In short, what Yohannes ruled was not all of what is now called Eritrea, but part of it.

    Therefore, to say that “Eritrea was cut from Tigray/Ethiopia by Italy” is the ne plus ultra ( top, high point) of mistaken and faulty historiography.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selam Zikheberka Hawey Gheteb,

      One of the many tragedies in our region is the lack of neutrally written history books of our people. It is almost always about justifying a specific topic or goal by “historians” with a specific political mission. Eritrean and Ethiopian historians of the last 60 odd years are no exception to this short coming.

      Gheteb, I let a few things slide by a few weeks ago, because you were our guest here at aware.com, but if you ever mention “history” again [hey moderator: can I say I will shoot you?] I will advice you not to.

      Thank you for letting me get away with only “Funny Ghana” the other day. If you knew my real name you would understand why it was practically a complement.

      Selam.

      • ‘Gheteb

        Selam Fanti Ghana,

        Thank you for your feedback. Here is what I want to say.

        On history, you are asking me to do an impossible feat which is not to mention “history” here at Awate dot com. That is almost akin to to demanding someone to stop breathing. I mean that it is an unthinkably out of the question demand. I am sure you know it better than me. What are human beings without their history. It is not that I mention history because I like yarning and talking about history. More often than not, when I write about “history” I am reacting to certain historical renditions by some Forumers of this website. Sure, you are right that some historical perspectives are biased, but we got to use our God given minds to sift through to find something closer to the truth.

        I don’t like history, in case you want to know. Except when I had no choice in High School and have to take history classes, I have never taken any history course in my college years. I don’t read history books except when I have to get some relevant information. One thing that I can assure you of that I am going to write about and harp on is Abbysenian Fundamentalism, which in my considered opinion, is the source of all that is ailing the Horn Of Africa. Well, I have to take the risk and maybe buy a bullet proof vest in the hope of protecting myself from Mr. Fanti Ghana’s bullets.

        I don’t mind people who bring “history” here even when it contradicts my political stances and outlooks. I am not one of those in this forum who would love to bloviate and talk about history when it advances their political views, but they go berserk when a historical narration is rendered that counters their political outlook. In my book, that is the very definition of a double standard.

        I am going be honest with Mr. Fanti Ghana here. I am still mad at you for the way you have described Ayte Araya Ghebermedhin. You should know better than anyone that because of war that has been raging since I don’t know when in our region, many Ethiopians/Eritreans/Somalis are still carrying the scars and scourages of it even to these days. Well, I have folowed Ayte Araya’s interviews for a while and, frankly, I have found his renditions and analysis to be credible and lucid. I mean by all accounts I found him to be not crazier or saner than any Abebe, Bekele and Gheberekristos. He is your prototypical Ethiopian, Tigrayan to be precise.

        I wish all the luck in the world in your mission of securing peace in that troubled region where we hail from. I am not jumping into the Fanti Ghana bandwagon, but I still wish you Godspeed nonetheless.

        Finally, I apologize for referring and calling you “Funny Ghana” and hereby offer my a retraction. See, I own up my mistakes and not even bat an eyelash to admit my mistakes and render my unqualified apologies.

        Again, Thank you for your input and feedback.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Gheteb,
          I know I asked the impossible, but the real reason was my fear of having to read history for the next three weeks or so (every time history is mentioned at awate everyone’s antenna goes up for some reason). I hated history classes too in high school. I even jumped through a class room window once to only get caught, ruler slapped, and sit back down fighting tears.
          Okay, you can bring Mr.. Araya with you, but if you do I am bring YG with me. Just in case. let’s shake hands on that.
          Don’t worry about the wagon. We all need to get some steam off occasionally.
          With respect.

    • Burbank

      Dear Mr Gheteb,

      Thank you for correcting my history. Huh? Wait a minute! Are you repeating what I said with fancy historical events or splitting it into pieces, examine the pieces for inconsistencies and extract faulty facts?

      At any rate, I am a person who likes simple and clear thoughts. My whole point in that comment is this: there was little CONTCT between Eritrean highlanders and Ethiopians. Naturally,Tigrians are the people who live adjacent to present day Akeleguzay and Seraye and yet there was almost no contacts and interaction between them. In both Tigray and Eritrea, we had, until recently, subsistence farming villages whose interactions are limited among themselves.

      Therefore, I was not implying weather Eritrea was part of Tigray. But here is another thinking that is nauseating to me. How can anyone discuss weather Eritrea was part of Tigray/Ethiopia before Eritrea came into existence with the current political map as we know it today? Why do we die to create an image by cherry picking historical facts and self-servingly analyse them to fit our wish that Eritrea had been an independent nation before it even existed; soon after the molton and lava cooled down?

      At any rate, let us keep it simple and straight, my ftiend

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello and welcome Burbank,

        “… present day Akeleguzay and Seraye and yet there was almost no contacts and interaction between them.” Burbank, there was even less contact between Raya, Welkait, and Shire with central Tigray of the time, but that is because they all are always busy either outright fighting the next mini-kingdom or plotting some trick to take over the next Auraja. What do you think Akeleguzay, Seraye, Hamasien, Raya, Welkait, and Shire have in common? they are all outskirts of Tigray proper and they are the least ‘contacted” until some one makes it through the maze and becomes the “Shogan” (Ras). Did you know there was no Ethiopian government presence in law land Raya until I started to talk? (bless me). We use to have our system of governance almost an exact copy of the Oromo Gada system. Finally, we were cajoled into it by Mengesha Seyoum (part of his blood line was traced to Raya so we assumed it has to be safe) So, these Aurajas look small now but they were notoriously hard to govern for the few crazy enough to try.

        It is too complex to get into our past in relation to who/what was part of what in these short posts (this was the reason I threatened Gheteb below), but the best way to look at it is this way: “if you are not farming you are not interesting” was the motto of the governments of the time.

        Selam.

        • Rahwa T

          Selam Fanti G.
          Hope you had great time. ” beneka ejih ” can you say a bit more on the history of the Raya people before the arrival of the Oromo?

          Thanks.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Embeyti Aynei,

            Let me first thank you for your last reply to me which was the sweetest sendoff I could ever hope for. I was also pleasantly surprised with your knowledge of “sawa” the other day.

            Hmm, Raya before Oromo! Do you know the word Raya is actually Oromigna/fa to begin with? Actually, like many places in Ethiopia, when you try to find local histories of our Aurajas you end up with more questions than you started with and you conclude: okay, next time.

            Alewuha milash in general may have had its center of power around what is now Wejerat and to some extent Ofla (Wefla), but it is only a “well informed guess” on my part. I have a unique perspective on the history of our entire region (from Northern Sudan all the way to Mozambique as far west as Rwanda) but it is way too early to discuss it in public. You see, I am not a consumer of the widely accepted version of the territorial boundaries of the land “Habesha” to begin with, and as if that is not a challenge enough, I also believe we may all be Oromo after all. Can you see my double whammy problem here? Every time I read something like “I am not Habesha” by someone who is standing across SGJ’s house in Keren, I am laughing and crying at the same time. Even worst is when some Oromo folks say they are not Habesha and no one challenges them I am left with “damn-it, writing our history is going to be my retirement project” after saying “kab Agameya zeywuleds kab kiliti’en Hadi’en.” However, there is a part of me always hoping someone will beat me to it someday and get me out of my misery.

            Asadi, I know this is not the answer you expected, but the real answer is “I really don’t know.”
            If you know how hard it is to say “I don’t know” for men of my generation, you will understand how much respect I have for you Rahwaway.

            Selam.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            Ma’Ar afu ikHa meches. eza sebeytikHa weled’a kemey meriqoma neyerom’yom. I know the origin of the word and its meaning. I know that many original names of places had been changed with the expansion of Oromo from Bale and Borena and have continued even up to our recent history. I had this in my mind when I ask you and I thought you go back in time the history of people before 500 yrs ago and tell us how the people started practicing Oromo type of administration. But as you said it is too complex and not easy. So I accept your reply. I was bit uncomfortable when you say the people was included as part of Tigray because Mengesha Seyoum’s lineage.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Embaytewa,
            The Mengesha part: it was not about being Tigraway or Ethiopian part they hated at all. In fact, to the contrary. It was the idea of “government” they hated. Sorry if I was not clear about that.

            Eza ablaEli zbelkiya e-mail kgebrela iye.
            Xom arbeA khoynu siga si’en’na beKedamai ab Addis, nab aslam bet bilEi zeinkhaid ileya bgerhey.
            Ab maekel mengendi ktKetleni hanti ayterefan neiru. Abr’esi xom arbeA? wai, wai… wei eni’ekha wurdet! and so on.
            Selam.

          • Amde

            Selam Fanti

            You said “I also believe we may all be Oromo after all.”

            Just wanted to tell you that is somewhat in line with my thoughts as well. I am glad to see someone else expound on this. The classic explanation of an Oromo migration/expansion does not make sense to me anyway. I feel there is a big unexplained hole in our history with the Oromiffa dialects (or at least other close relatives) having a more central role.

            About Raya, I have heard it said there is a bifurcation between the lowland and highland peoples, and their cultures and by extension their languages. What is astonishing to me is that you remember Gada type governance in your lifetime. I would have assumed that would have been settled a hundred years before you were born. I understand Raya, Azebo and Qobbo are Oromo clan names. If the “true” Rayans are lowland descendants of pastoral people whose mode of political organization is driven by their nomadic lifestyle, it is conceivable to me at least that their linkage to highland, settled agriculture based political systems may be tenuous at best. Saay had said that over time it seems that settled/sedentary societies/cultures appear to dominate nomadic cultures. Your Ras Seyoum anecdote perhaps represents that phase.

            Anyway, kudos on a great post.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother Amde,

            Oh wow! You won’t believe how much it means to me to hear someone who can talk at all, let alone someone as intelligent as you are, actually considering the idea of “we are all Oromo” possibility. For me it started with a simple question I had in 1998 about some Italian historian who traced some Eritrean communities’ names to Oromo. The seed of my curiosity took hold, and no matter how hard I try I couldn’t prove we are not all Oromos. I have been taking it seriously ever since. SAAY made my day this morning, and you just made my decade my friend.

            Gada: even after we were incorporated into the “modern government system,” most of the villages surrounding the town I grew up on practiced their traditional way of governance well until I reached 6th grade. That is very recent in historical terms.

            You won’t believe my surprise when I heard an Oromo singer singing Korma Gaffo on ETV for the first time. I knew our Oromo linkage, but I didn’t know it was to that extent. As far as I knew Korma Gaffo was practically my national anthem for god’s sake. The traditional name of my town is called Korme named after a small village south of town. The town is double named Chercher- Woyra wuha! Our church is Michael Korme, and our cattle graze around Kebena to the East. To our
            immediate north is the village Mendefera (go feast Rahwa T.) and to our immediate South/East is Asaye. Most of our farms are on the West side called Silula.

            Did you notice the complete mixture of Oromo/Tigray/Amhara names? Although the remaining Oromiffa speakers are very few in numbers now, the influence they have/had in the entire neighborhood is profound and permanent.

            Please keep in touch!

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            Do you think that Keren is only lived by Habesha people like Saleh Johar? Take a note: Keren and its environs were lived by Nara people before they left for good and replaced by Bilen. Then, the Tigre came and very late Tigrigna. Even Kunama lived for short time after barentu was occupied and still there is a place called ‘Geza Kunama”.

            Will you then be surpirsed again. You are thinking that Keren is only home city of Saleh Johar. Thanks to SJ for his detailed explanation, all what I can urge you is that Ethiopians should change their mentality when they define Eritrea.

            Eritrea is a composition of Habesha, Arabs (Semites), Kishites, Agew, Nilotic. At Eritrean identity level, we are Eritreans and this becomes a set. Within the set, we have sub-sets in which Habesha are one. I don’t belong to this sub-set as I have my own.

            You need to evolve your mindset.

            tes

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Professor Tes,
            I am forcing anyone who crosses the Red Sea to be called Habesha! Whether they call themselves Arab, Mesopotamian, or any other tiny name like that. Don’t push me Tes, otherwise, I will refer you to Abi. Wae.

            In a serious note: I like SGJ’s take above, because essentially we are who we say we are instead of who someone else says we are.

            Peace.

          • tes

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            Now I can endorse you. SJ did it brilliantly as always and my appreciation goes to him.

            Concerning Abi, just a whisper, after I applied my Newton’s Law, we are with mutual respect. Even he was helping me during the days of collectiing Awate Dead bodies

            tes

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti,

            That is awesome testimonial. For me, it is just the realization that the community of Oromo speakers contain within them the full spectrum of Ethiopian diversity in geography, mode of life, religion and the diversity of dialects as well. I don’t think there is any other single Ethiopian group that is quite representative.

            As you know, we were taught the Oromo spread from Arsi/Bale in the 1500s conquering the lands recently depopulated due to the Gragn wars. Somehow it does not seem feasible to me that in such a short period of time this one group could have conquered this much territory, adapted to a huge variation in geography (including learning what type of agriculture works and what doesn’t) and end up being the most populous social group.

            Add to this the linguistic dialect diversity in Oromiffa and it becomes to see how such diversity can be created in a relatively short period of time.

            The only way in my mind that I can square the migration/conquest theory (which did happen) with current Oromo demographic diversity is in one of two ways.

            One is what you suggested – namely that most pre-existing cultures/languages were of some Oromo or related type. That would explain existing linguistic diversity and adaptation to different geography/climate.

            Or second, most of today’s Oromo speakers belonged to non-Oromo stock but their Oromoness (language customs etc…) was imposed on top. That way they retain their adaptation, and the linguistic diversity is driven by the different underlying language.

            I hope the distinction is clear. The main thing is that I don’t believe today’s Oromo speakers are direct descendants of the group that famously broke out of Arsi/Bale to conquer all the way north to Raya and Weldiya.

            Anyway, I am sure DNA studies will probably easily resolve this. So far what I have seen reported supposedly shows no genetic difference between the Amara and Oromo. Now I will be impressed if such a study compared Oromo speakers from Borena (Bale) to Amharic speakers in Welqayit and found their differences can be accounted for strictly by sheer normal mutation.

            Many thanks. Great post.

            Amde

          • saay7

            Selamat Fanti:

            I go through music genre obsession phases and back in October I stumbled into Raya music. (Nitricc: never mind Gojjam; check out Raya women; well, at least the ones in Raya music videos. Eyob, shut up: this doesn’t prove anything.)

            Anyway, I noticed practically every video has Texas longhorns. Is that like your claim to fame. The attire is very similar to Affar/Saho (Oromo?), except when they sometimes breakout in gwyla. The land is lush…looks like a fine place. In TPLF-40, they did a tour of Tigray…didn’t see them stop by Raya. Did I miss it or were you EDU reactionaries ?;)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat SAAY,

            I remember that video. they had to go via Hashenge (lake) to Maichew instead which is way up highland from my neighborhood. The transportation system is still somewhat difficult to include both areas especially if they were in a tight schedule and/or budget.

            Actually we were very TPLFed earlier than you you can imagine given how far south we are. We love to rebel remember. There doesn’t even have to be a good reason. It just needs to be rebelliousness. Anything remotely anti any government was always welcome.

            The Affar look is actually simple to explain. We are also Affar! what can I say.

            For some weird reason my blood type is rare in Ethiopia but very common in the Affar region of Ethio/Eritrea and north eastern Tigray. I think my great great grand mother have some explaining to do.

            We may be taking it for granted, but all our women (the whole region) are really beautifull. Perhaps Raya and Enderta (Mekele) women are a little friendlier than most.

            I had lots of coffee shop stories I could share about our women, but…

            Chao!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Correction to self:

            SAAY,
            I think the video I am thinking of was earlier than the T-40. I think it was some sort of cultural tour throughout Ethiopia or something. The rest of my post is valid.

          • saay7

            Selamat Fanti:

            Yeah, but you didn’t answer my question about your Longhorns. An Ethiopian kid wrote a hilarious “Habesha be like” list which included all the mandatory outdoor visuals required in Ethiopian videos: it was funny.

            So here’s my version of what all Raya music videos must have:

            1. A long intro, broken by “aaaaaha” and finished by cattle call;
            2. Longhorn cows
            3. corn fields
            4. longhorn cows
            5. Gumaye
            6. longhorn cows
            7. Beautiful women
            8. Awesome dance (looks like Afar, or Gwyla or eskiskista because that’s just how you roll.)
            9. Dancers wave sticks NOT swords (hope you are reading this Mahmuday)

            Did I mention longhorns?

            saay

            https://youtu.be/7IllUjk5fk0

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat SAAY,

            I know, I know. I do appreciate some of this singer’s efforts, but to be honest most of them are not locals. Although don’t forget that Raya is a huge place to have had only one cultural variation. In the minimum we have highland and lowland variations.

            The horns: the emphases on the cows probably came from the tradition we call “Urna.” And
            that is because there are too many cows per household, most of the cows are not kept in the neighborhood for most of the year. What we do instead is leave a few cows for milk and oxen for farming and take the rest (in their thousands mostly) to wherever there is enough grass for them. After about six months they come back on their way to the opposite direction for grazing and trade the locally kept cows for newer ones and so on.

            Now the real treat is when this cattle go through the town it is quite a riot to say the least. Raya cows are naturally a little aggressive and all children have to be accounted for, people have to finish whatever business they have for that day which involves cross town walk, and those households who need to exchange cows has to make additional preparation to the switch and so on. When these cattle go through the town, they don’t just walk like a normal animal. They jog huffing and buffing looking to pluck anything that moves. They are quite scary really.

            So, my guess is that the directors of these videos are probably trying to represent that scene when they insist to have this miskin looking cows in every edition.

            Selam.

            PS
            Deki Anseba may have some idea what I am trying to say about the cow migration.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            “….. Eyob, shut up: this doesn’t prove anything…”

            Oh yes it does. Yimezgebilign!!!! 🙂 Ante Menze.. 🙂

            I don’t know what video you guys are talking about…But I would like to take this opportunity to talk about my favorite Oromo singer. Abitew Kebede. Unfortunately, he become a devout church man and preacher and stopped singing. But, fortunately, many have remade his old songs. Please allow me to invite everyone one of it. Everybody has heard this song in an instrumental form, but here is the actual singing..

            Gash Saleh, every time the singer calls a name of a city like Addis Ababa or Jimma.. You insert Keren..and enjoy the song.. 🙂

            Remade by Nigussu Tamirat

            Original by Abitew Kebede

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZUBg0tlud8

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Eyob,
            .
            Where is the beef? Is it me ? It says the video does not exist.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            Selam KH:

            Devoutly religious Abitew Kebede asked God: “please spare the people from hearing my songs mutilated by young punks.” And God listened. Thus, Eyobs broken link.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            True, but again, I did my counter praying and guess what? Mine was stronger.. 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            I don’t think so; and I think you just proved it by having us listen…

            Do you these inventions in Ethiopia called Cubase and Logic in Ethiopia? When God hasn’t blessed an artist with a range, and he insists that we listen to the same riff, no variation, not even a chorus, they come handy in changing the tempo just a bit so u don’t reach out for the stop button and…

            Wait! Kim Hanna just mentioned the best online journal that ever was: Seleda. I am done with you!:)

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Kim Hanna,

            Problem Solved. Check again… 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Eyob,
            .
            Thanks, it is great. I have not heard it before.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Hi Kim
            It is still bufferring. Wait until it becomes beef.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            It is better than beef woT now. I am glad I waited for it, it is really great.
            .
            BTW, Abi, there was an Ethiopian web site under the name of SELEDA. It was one of my favorite sites to enjoy reading everything but politics. It looks like it is abandoned for several years now. I was wondering if you have seen it and/or participated in it. The people were really great.
            .
            K.H

          • saay7

            KH:

            Why I think Seleda.com was the best African online journal: this was the image that accompanied their “Irony and platitudes” issue

            Saay

          • Saleh Johar

            Saay,
            Remember how many we tried to goad them to come out of their hiding? Now it has been at least seven years since we concluded they are all dead. Rest In Peace, Seleda chicken!

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            No. They are not dead.

          • saay7

            Selamat SGJ:

            Their last issue was 2004 so over 10 years…

            I have a different take. I think it was like a bunch of college students in a dorm..indulging in National Lampoon type of humor. And then they all grew up, got separated, held responsible jobs. It’s kinda like the kids who form a garage band and then… life gets in the way. I think they pioneered the sprinkling Amharic words in an English-language journal but the way they did it one always got the sense that it was because there was no adequate English translation.

            Saay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam saay,
            .
            It is a small world. Whenever they showed up with their new issues, I used to savor each topic and thoroughly enjoyed all of it. What a fun bunch of guys they were.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Selam Kim
            I don’t know the website. Awate is the only website I participate.
            Kim, you sound like you are bribing Tes not to use his Newton bomb on you. One mistake, you are dead. He has no mercy as a Parisian

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abishu,

            Seleda was an Ethiopian intellectuals website. One of the finest. You would have fit in there perfectly… 🙂

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abi,
            .
            I think if you go to SELEDA.com you could read some of their old stuff. They insert some Amharic key words that will make you laugh.
            .
            Tes is like google, he picks one word out of your statement and starts to carpet Newton bomb you and your surroundings. We have a truce, one day I told him if he brings his Newton, I will use my Charles Darwin.
            .
            K.H

          • Abi

            Atam jirtu Eyobe ?
            Ani uma enjenu. Enjebana!
            Beautiful song. But , I’ve to admit it is not like the original. Abtew was one of my favorites. Of course, next to Ali Birra.
            Rabi siyakenu.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,

            I agree. Not even close to the original.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            The reason I chose this version is most people know this song in instrument only. Abitew’s version is old and somewhat out of date to today’s ears..:-)

            But, since you like the old version..Just for you… Let me know that you are happy to hear it.. 🙂

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x9YFiL29G8

          • Saleh Johar

            Thanks Eyob,
            I wish yu could contact the best musicians to collaborate on redoing this song–no saxophone though. And no ugly picture that focus on the female body… unfortunately using suggestive moves and female skin has become the in thing in the songs of our region 🙂

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            I can’t believe I am saying this, but, what I found out, when I posted the old Abitew’s original version, I listened to it and you are right…Much much better….

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh
            Kemey?
            Hallelujah!
            After how many years we found something we both agree with. Well, there is hope!
            ” andandem beWaldibam yizefenal”
            Yeqenyeley

          • Eyob Medhane

            Abi,

            Feya. Galani waqayo ha’atu..

            Honestly, for me, Abitew is much better. Ali is too political and his songs are a bit dry, except one or two of his songs..

          • Rahwa T

            Dears Fanti Ghana and Amde,

            Interesting. But the history of Qmant looks more convincing as it goes thousands of years back. I know it is difficult as we agreed yesterday. The written history as we know it so far, the arrival of the Oromo to northern Ethiopia is not more than 500 yrs. Certainly those who oppose this would say this is the fake history from Debteras. I read Addis Admas’ interview with Ato Nega ( http://www.addisadmassnews.com… ) as suggested by Desta. I found it more interesting, too, except one word. The man said the word Eritrea is a corrupted Qimant language (difficult to swallow).

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Rahwa Haftey,

            I can assure you Oromos are not 500 years old. Ask yourself: arrived from where? If there was such a place from which the Oromos came from then we will go there and ask if they have lost a few Oromos about 5 centuries ago? I can bet my life no one is going to claim them Rahwani. I can imagine how the ancient Oromos may have lived their life and how far they had to travel in search of grazing land sometimes, but I am sure they never go in one straight line indefinitely. Any place south of Ethiopia is as grassland as southern Ethiopia is if not more, so they would have no reason to come this far north and never return. In either case, too many answered questions with that scenario.

            If you get a chance read my last reply to SAAY about Raya cows to have an idea about old time Oromo herders. [ never mind: I just referred you to a link you are replying to. I think I am tired.]
            Selam.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            To me the historical version that says they expanded their territories from Borena and Bale all the way to east, central and western northern Ethiopia is logical. If you google very old maps of Ethiopia (13th and 14th century), you will find many names and probably kingdoms that are not existing these days. (I can’t get the link now sorry). The Gafat (Central Ethiopia) and Damot (Southwestern Ethiopia, current Wollega) are two ancient Ethiopia peoples we lost for good. I buy the argument that the democratic nature of administrative systems had helped them to conquer and subdue the ancient people of the areas they If you go to Borena area, in restaurants and bars, you will see sketches of big fig tree and they will tell you that it symbolize the directions where two Oromo brothers who expanded to different direction from Borana. Of the Qimant man has brought another story similar to what Dr Fikre Tolossa says. The stories from Aba Bahray, the 15th Century monk from Gamo Gofa which was translated to English by a European explorer during the 17th century (as old as that) could be another interesting book that narrates how the Oromo have conquered the southern people. One way or another, there expansion has touched every corner of Ethiopia and which has positive implications in our unity: Please read the link about Qimant. You will see the meaning of what the meaning of Enderta, Agame and others places.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Again Queen of Qimant,
            I shall read that as soon as I am done with TK’s take on Gebru Asrat’s recent book which I am almost done doing.
            PEACE!

          • Amde

            Hi Rahwa,

            Disqus ate a response I had made to Fanti about my thought about the Oromo. Just to recap it,
            a) There is no Ethiopian social group that is as diverse as the Oromo. They live in highlands and lowlands. They are sedentary farmers and nomadic pastoralists. They are Christian and Muslims and believers of pre-christian/pre-judaic indeginuous faiths. Any other social group within Ethiopia can be described as being “mostly” this or that. Amharas are mostly highland dwelling farming Christians, as are Tigrayans. Afars and Somalis are mostly nomadic Muslims.

            b) Oromo speakers account for perhaps 40percent of the population and a good chunk of the land. Assuming every other social group had to live under generally the same climate and geography, I would say barring any other factor we don’t know about, the population proportion of every group must have stayed roughly the same. The alternative is to assume the Oromo discovered a special way to procreate more than their neighbors, and thereby outgrow them which is unlikely.

            c) I remember active debates about the dfferences in Oromo dialects being so much that perhaps they should be termed as separate languages. This is what it says about the issue in Wikipedia “Some linguists think of Oromo as a dialect continuum, since not all varieties are mutually intelligible.” I have yet to see anyone state Amharic dialects are mutually unintelligible. Diversity – in languages and in genes – is a function of age.

            When you add it all together, it is hard (for me at least) to believe that a small group of conquerors out of Arsi/Bale displaced the pre-existing people, adapted to the diversity in geography (adaptation also has to include their cattle, donkeys and mules adapting to new germs, plants, diseases etc…), increased their numbers in ways different from others and also managed to age their language so much that some of them could today barely understand each other.

            Now, what you stated about Damot, Aba Bahrey, etc are well accepted facts, so some conquest did happen.

            There are only two ways to square this mystery. One is via what Fanti is proposing. Namely, that most everyone was some version of Oromo, or proto-Oromo. The history of conquest most likely then refers not to all “Oromos”, but to a smaller aggressive Oromo group. In other words, most of this group’s conquest would have logically been other Oromo speakers, but also includes many other groups.

            The other way is to consider current Oromiffa speakers to be descendants of people that were conquered and then culturally assimilated into the language and customs of the conquering group. In this fashion, the Oromo language is imposed over an existing language. This will likely create linguistic diversity.

            These are the only two theories that make sense to me, but there may be others that make more sense. I hope to learn from others.

            Keep in mind we are trying to explain the last 500 years. That is relatively recent for us Ethiopians 🙂

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Fano Ghana,

            You wrote, “Every time I read something like “I am not Habesha” by someone who is standing across SGJ’s house in Keren, I am laughing and crying at the same time.”

            I am no sure why you would laugh or cry. I think the reaction should be neutral, just like when someone tells you I was born in Gonder, or Mekele, or Asmera.

            The problem is: identity evolves. !50 years ago you wouldn’t find people telling you I am Eritrea, or I am Ethiopia, or Sudani, or Djiboutian in the sense that we use these identity terms today. Why not, we are told we are classified as Hemetic, Negroid, Semetic, etc. Five hundred years ago most (if not none) of our present identities were known. When you belong to a tribe, the name of the tribe is your identity. are a tribe. The relatively new concept of nation states was not a natural evolution as far as most people in the world are concerned. It’s a European concept that was imposed on us, and we adopted the new identity that comes with the manufactured nation states. Therefore, the Habesha identity is older than Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan, Somalia, Djibouti. Every place on the African coast was referred to as Habesha land. But that also evolved. Gradually ever group developed its own identifier, identity if you will. The historical Habesha is no more, if is limited to those who openly declare they are Habesha–Amharinya and Tigrinya speakers. The rest have developed their own identifiers. For example, Tes would tell you he is Agew, or Blin. The Saho tribes will name their tribal identity. And that is what counts. So Fanti, indeed, people across from my house in Keren expressed their identity and I did. Not many said they were Habesha and no one challenged them. At least not until Isaias and his regime started to baptize people whimsically, in Eritrea. Today, Oromo people call themselves Oromo. Maybe a few don’t, but I have not met one yet. You can argue with them about historical facts: the entire area was known as Habesha land, you must be Habesha. SAnd they will tell you, true, because Jimma (as an example) was never called Ethiopia before the name was imposed on it. And if we go back in history, we will face a problem, when was the cut-line? How far back can we go? Was Lucy Habesha, Aferi, Somali, Habesha, Ethiopian? Okay, let’s trace our identity to Lucy–and go around a crazy circle. By the way, I read an Arabic history that explains the name “Africa” is a derivative of Afer, Afriqiya meaning “The Aferi land” The Europeans, just like the Amhara could not pronounce A as in Aasa (fish) and it became African , instead of the deep A as in Aasa.

            In the context of today’s identity politics, calling someone a Habesha when he doesn’t believe he is one, could be considered a bad sign of a hegemonic tendency.

            My advice: historians (particularly the sgr baHri frenji) cannot be trusted to identify my identity more than I do. They can not express it in a way that contradicts my expression. So, that some Eritreans originated in Tigrai is true, so is the claim that some originated (put any territory) but we all originated from somewhere. No one was planted as a seed in a certain place–the best the nativists can come up with is, they count seven generations and claim to know where their seventh grandfather was living. That in a place that has no records, no birth certificates, death certificates, and no evidence whatsoever. An illiterate society cannot be expected to keep civil records. For all I care, my seventh ancestor could have come from anywhere, though legends tell me he might have come from Harer. Knowing the migration and cross migration in the region, the wars and invasions, and tribal displacements in our region, one has to keep the flow and not insist on oral history that happened before paper and pen were introduce to our region–the few priests and ulema do not count when it comes to keeping public records. They had none. What counts for me is: I am Eritrean. I am Habesha. And I am something else–but I don’t want to annoy Isaias by mentioning something he doesn’t like to hear. Fanti, I don’t want you to cry or laugh at that. Just laugh because you are happy 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Memhir,
            Point well taken. Most of my frustration steams from what I don’t know rather than from what I know.
            Laughing!

          • Burbank

            SGJ,

            Simply brilliant and correct!

      • Dear Burbank,
        I have read so many times that highland Ethiopia (Tigray and Amhara) and highland Eritrea, had little contact in their past history, and as much as highland Eritrea is concerned, it consisted of separate entities that also had little contact between them, and each had more or less a sort of separate evolution. Now, the question is that, how come these individually developed societies, villages, groups, or whatever one might call them, came to have very similar cultural make up between themselves and with those to the south of the Mereb, especially on things that encompass their religion, language, alphabet, dress, cuisine and even music, arts, up to their genes? If they were indeed cut off from each other and from highland Ethiopians, as many would like to say, how is it possible that they have so many properties in common with those to the south of the Mereb? I also think that trade and marriages were common, especially in areas around the common border.

        • Burbank

          Selamat Horizon,

          Thank you for filling in and make it clearer than I would other wise been able to make it.

          “If they were indeed cut off from each other and from highland Ethiopians, as many would like to say, how is it possible that they have so many properties in common with those to the south of the Mereb?” Very Interesting question.

          Like James Baldwin once said, I too hate “sounding like an old testament prophet” because this is a subject which one of the people on both sides of the border will not be happy about .What this means is that one of the two peoples have a distorted sense of reality which is causing them to have a distorted sense of history.

          Now, here is the thesis of the answer to your question: The people of both countries, mainly the people of Tigray and highland Ethiopia, are basically the same people. Unlike David Cameron who a couple of weeks ago, with a view to fishing the votes of the young Brits, sat with Heat Magazine, and told his viewers that he just found out that he is related to Kim Kardashen and that he is her 13th cousin. 13th cousin? huh? At 13th generation I am confident that I will be related to Adam or Eve.

          Joke aside, here is the most interesting aspect of this: Geni.com confirmed that the “link between the pair comes via mutual ancestor Sir William Spencer, who was born in 1555.” Now let us see what DNA evidence tells us about the people of Tigray and Eritrea:I would be very surprised if you are not further than a 5th cousin to me. We all are between 3rd to 4th cousin. This is a puzzle to me. Because if the man who was born in 1555 became common to these famous people 13th generation ago, does it man that we started in one village in 1800 and multiplied?

          You wanna know the answer? No, somebody didn’t pop up in the 18th century and manufactured all of us. Various stories and word of mouth carried across generations as well as what is little researched and written show that, since there were very few people over a bigger mass of land which had been covered with a jungle, young adolescent males would grab girls, as a wife thru parental consent, from the same or adjacent village and move to the next hill to start a new life which eventually grows and becomes a village. That is how villages multiply slowly, usually with those individuals who are young and newly wedded but wanted bigger territory and a relatively bigger heard of livestock, going quite a distance, thereby widening the horizon of the inhabitable area. Thus, part of the reason why we kept a very close relatives is that we have been cross breeding over and over within a limited small pool of genes.

          Now, there are two things that you should pay attention to. Each time some one moves a little further and settles, depending the distance the same gene started travelling but not mixing with any other different gene. That is how we are more closely related. Believe it or not, this was the case until late the 19th century. For example, recently, I watched a series of documentary videos about the 40th Founding anniversary of the TPLf and in one of the where PMHD traveler to Dedebit, one of the veterans, Abbay Tsehaye, explained that that part of Tigray (Lae’lay Adiabo West Tigray) was a very remote, no-man’s land which only powerful bandits used to hid in it. This is 40 years ago.

          Now, let me kill this real quick. Yes, people are closely related. But at the same time as they spread over a big size of land and settled in their own villages, they lost contact. It is the Italian occupation and Ghedli who made these people to relatively mingle and cross each other more than anytime before.

          Hope this helps and will evolve into an informative exchange. But the question is: So what for today’s politics? Tadya miN YitTebes?

          Peace and Love,

          Seghid.

          • Dear Burbank,
            The “out of Africa” theory of human beings and human genes, is today the dominant theory of human
            distribution all over the world. Human beings took their genes to the ends of the world from their place of origin, somewhere in east Africa, that started within very few ancestors, and this somehow takes us to the first Adam and Eve (if we leave out Adam and Eve of the Holy Bible). As Human beings spread all over the world, they created settlements and then moved on as they grew in
            number, or due to scarcities, conflicts etc. Of course, they acquired some mutations on the way or after they settled, due to environmental factors or due to some sort of genetic/mutational mishap. Otherwise, human beings remained the same genetically, carrying the primary
            genetic makeup of their first ancestors 100-200,000 thousand years ago. All these are known facts, and are not new information.

            On top of this, one should not forget the movement of people and contacts they created between families, villages, regions and empires, through trade, wars, occupations, famines etc.. For example, there are people in Pakistani Kashmir that are genetically similar and with linguistic traits that point to ancient Greeks, as the result of the conquest and settlement of soldiers of Alexander the Great in the region. Recent genetic study of Ethiopians by the University of Oxford (Cambridge) showed that Ethiopians have a concoction of genes, local African and genes that came from the regions of today’s Israel and Syria, about 3000 yrs ago. There are many other examples one can mention.

            Now, as long as the history of Abyssinia is concerned, it was almost all about wars and campaigns, which implied human movement and settlements in all directions, and of course the insuring admixture of genes, cultures and the formation of a common history. In his recent post, Fanti Ghana said that “.. I also believe we may all be Oromo after all”, which signifies movement of people from one region to the other. Therefore, human development over thousands of years did not occur in a test tube, or a confined geographic region, but in very extensive areas, that gradually expanded even more. Today despite the few traits that differentiate us, for examples, some genes that lost over time their major functions in some ethnic groups, because they are of no use anymore, (eg, melanin of the skin), or some acquired new mutations, again because of environmental reasons (e.g. resistance to malaria infection in some people in West Africa), otherwise human genes remained literally the same. There are relatively more genetic differences between two individuals in the same ethnic groups, than two people who belong to different ethnic groups.

            The main point is that it is much easier for highland Eritreans to say in simple terms that they do not want to have anything to do with Ethiopians, than trying to prove that they are different and they have nothing in common. The first is much more plausible than all the other explanations given. Italian occupation and Gedli changed the behavior of Eritreans (especially highlanders), and not their gens, and not even their culture. Their genetic makeup was already decided upon by nature, the environment and the history of their forefathers, before Italians or Gedli came to the region.

            Regards.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Burbank,
        If you read the book “wolodo mereb milash” you will see most the current villages in the highland of Eritrea are originated from the Tigray descendants. Therefore the Eritrean highlands and the Tigray people are of the same origins. In the event you read that book, could it change your view of understanding the relationship of the two people. Of course that relationship doesn’t in any shape or form change the Eritrean geographic idenetity and their sovereignty of the inscribed people in it.
        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Rahwa T

          Dear Aman,
          I should read it soon. Thanks for the information.

        • Burbank

          Dear Amanuel,

          Thank you! Yeah, I have heard about it but didn’t read it. Sure, it is great reading and learning new stuff. However, it looks like you are assuming that I deny both people are not closely related. If I am right about your assumption then would you read what I replied to Horizon below. That is briefly my understanding. We are close people more than we understand it but didn’t evolve as people because we are scattered over villages.

          At any rate, read it and enrich it if you can.

    • Guest

      This can be an example of mumbo jumbo.

  • Mizaan1

    Dear AT,

    I goofed up my disqus account with no chance of recovering it and I was forced to use a different username, hence I added the number ‘1’ at the end. I hope this doesn’t cause too much inconvenience.

    Sincerely,

    Mizaan.

    • selam

      Dear mizaan1,
      I feel happy to accept your norm of changing and here it is

      Boom boom, that sound makes you happy, your acount was tired of your continues changing. For mizaan sake what really happened was not unexpected. I have warned you not to jump a long fence full of crap. Use your long flash light at least to hold on your right drivng lane. You know , Gherhi, guest, mizaan, all these were quite noisy when they frat on full speed. Thanks you for putting 1 because that means minus 14 years . Welcome mizaan1.as I am going to sleep now.

      • Mizaan1

        Dear Selam,

        The way you are writing now, you could really take a good night’s sleep. You may have had a little extra wine or your brain cells betray you when it is late.

        By the way, I never used the nickname guest if you care that much.

        Look, nobody wants boom boom any more in Eritrea. I have family there ok, from siblings to every line of blood relation, ok no kids. But myself, Semere, AH, HA, would be the very last people to see any blood spilt in Eritrea. That is why we are here to prevent from happening day and night. On the other hand, your regime is spilling Eritrean innocent blood every day. Someone was telling me only on Sunday that he was unable to get a hold of his father in Asmara because he had been arrested for not reporting to be armed. The man is in his sixties. How do you explain this? How could anybody do worse than this even if we are so terrible as you describe? Let’s assume even weyane are as brutal and as cruel as you describe here day in and day out. I must say, there is no way they would be worse than IA and PFDJ for the short term or for the long term. Now go ahead twist this and accuse me of inviting weyane to Eritrea because they are better than what we have. You and your likes are excellent at twisting words.

        Again, please do your research and find any evidence where me and my likes (as you call us) have invited for the invasion of Eritrea or a boom boom in Asmara.

  • selam

    Dear Mizaan
    That is really good to hear , that means I am throwing apple with out you noticing. Break them all and be careful as you will probably find bad apple. i am not kind as the word seems. Still i love you all in different boxes. I mean you and your alike.

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Selam,

      I am not so sure what is going on lately but you seem quite erratic and unpredictable. You used to articulate well and I honestly welcome your slightly unique input here but stay composed and write more clearly and more substantively. Go back and re-read what you wrote above. It really sounds absurd.

      • Shum

        Hello Mizaan,

        Help me understand something. How can someone support armed resistance and not expect or even call for blood shed of Eritreans? Maybe if I understood the tactics and strategy a bit better, I can reconcile that there will be no bloodshed of Eritreans with armed resistance. Thanks in advance should you engage me.

        • Mizaan1

          Shum,

          Honestly, any armed group of Eritreans cannot defeat PFDJ in any reasonable amount of time. I don’t think anyone needs explanation for that. If it was totally upto me, the tactic I would use is continue isolating PFDJ, strip them off of much needed hard currency, secure strategic military assistance from Ethiopia and any neighboring countries. Attack strategically, not cities or mining centers, but perhaps military depots, high level officials, better yet IA himself. Hopefully some of these could lead to a popular uprising against the regime. That’s what I would hope for as the final burial of PFDJ. Yes, there would be sacrifices but not as people have twisted it here by saying some of us want a full scale Ethiopian invasion.

  • selam

    Dear mizaan
    no I do not believe . we are eritreans and I stopped refering to habesha when my mam told me we are only Eritreans. My ethiopian neighbor used to call me ye habsha lig and I always feel as if he is taking my eritreansim you have to take in to account I was 12 .Now I want to be called eritrean or may be an east african girl from eritrea that is it. I only want to use the word habesha in archives or may be on making money if it is worth it. Not in this forum.

    • Mizaan1

      Dear Selam,

      Habesha is not a citizenship. It is an identity. First you are Selam, gual Ato Egele, enda egele, gual adi egele, wereda egele, awraja egele, then you are Habesha, then you are Eritrean. That is how I see it. But there are more seasoned and wiser people here who might correct me on that.

      Regards,

      Mizaan.

  • selam

    Dear mizaan
    no I do not believe . we are eritreans and I stopped refering to habesha when my mam told me we are only Eritreans. My ethiopian neighbor used to call me ye habsha lig and I always feel as if he is taking my eritreansim you have to take in to account I was 12 .Now I want to be called eritrean or may be an east african girl from eritrea that is it. I only want to use the word habesha in archives or may be on making money if it is worth it. Not in this forum.

  • teweldino

    Hi Belay,

    Did they get more money than students from Addis Ababa or any student regardless where they are from? There could be some logical explanations if students from regions / kifle hagers (including Eritreans) receive more money than students who have parents in Addis. I don’t think they would pay Eritreans more than other students who come from other kifle hagers. Could you elaborate more?

  • Amde

    Mizaan

    Ah, the slippery slope of language as the politically correct group identifier. It is scientific you know – and thus infallible.

    Amde

  • selam

    Dear Mizzan
    If you are supporting semere ,Amnuel and hayat so what do you think , you are doing ? ja it is cheap to call one week bombing of asmara and find no one get killed .Even the largest church enda micheal tsetserat or enda mariam or the largest mosque of Asmara will stay open and every one be staying there so no weyane bomb there it sounds nice on your dictionary. where do you get that lesson in Yemen , Libya , Syria , Iraq , Kosovo, Rwanda , where is your compass telling you ?

    i find your face all over the above places and if you want to tell me you are not your own or you want air lift from the place you are welcome lets fight get ride of IA by convincing the majority of Eritreans who are disillusioned by so many groups who are contradictory to each other like anti virus testing to a different animals and then to human being . At last the person dies .

    You are misrepresenting my sarcasm and at last destroying semere and hayat.

    Here i can only see T.Kifle and some other i mean except the known creatures who have a track record against war.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Dear Mizaan,

      The PFDJites are here to twist your words, give adjective names, and ostracize anyone who have different view from them. What do you expect? Did you read the brain wash manual how they ostracized their comrades and finally threw them in to black hole one way ticket to their death. Oh! they will tell you Issayas did it. Hey, he didn’t do it without a tight system that function with conformity from the the top to the bottom. Tell them that we know how a system works.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • selam

        DEAR amanuel
        I differ to tell u that yiu have no knowledge of any system, because if you do. You could have built 15 year before your expire date. No more tigray conferences money send the money to europe or america lol. Just kidding you know I love you for the wrong reason.
        Here is the last one,
        Fire works sold here you can trust , we have spent 15 years.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Hey Selam,

          One lesson to you for this evening: To have a knowledge how a system works doesn’t mean you have the capacity (ability) to build a system. Keep in mind there are varieties of systems. If you need more explanation, you could still ask.

          • selam

            Hi Amanuel.

            Ok please forward to mizaan as he is dispsing your system. If I need to take lesson from you, I must be having brain freezing like rick perry. Now here is what you people are telling to put in short.
            “We”(amanuel, semere, mizan, hayat opperationsunset) also have other “movies available” ask salesperson for what “Available” .I selam said the buns are too big please refer to another post.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Selam,

            Please ask some one from “your club” to explain for me what you want to say or convey in your comment. I can’t make anything out of it. None at all.

          • selam

            Daer Amnuel hawey , you keep making my dinner full of nuts which I do not like. Please can I serve this on your conferences in case weyane generals tend to eat it. Now the m8vies are your continues , tirless pich for more movies I mean war. Your availablity is not known as your sales person is way off market and the demand for your product is floppy disk. How about now. Stay happy , go party as you may need it, please forgive me for my idiotic wish. I am not tegadalit , I am not warsay.expect me to say things that does not go with your menu.

  • tes

    Dear AT,

    The mad man from Asmara, DIA, is lecturing to USA people by saying, 99% of the USA people are victims of totalitarian system that runs USA. How awful it is to listen? The interviewers are right not to show us their face.

    Worse, he is talking about erosion of values and elections.

    If you have patience, please scan the interview, not actually interview but edited one. If you are really disgusted, please try to follow from 30 minutes afterwards.

    He is saying, 1% (meaning, the democrats or the republicans) will buy 99% of public votes. What morally buncrapted leader he is to talk about elections?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-ngos-kicked-out-of-eritrea-foreign-aid-is-meant-to-cripple-people/5441367

    tes

    • teweldino

      Hi Tes,

      It is not a new interview. I think it is from that “Come and See ..” documentary in 2014. I wouldn’t waste time on it.

    • Peace!

      Dear Tes,

      Are you saying DIA was wrong about NGO?

      Regards

      • tes

        Dear Peace,

        First of all, did he talk about NGO only? Then I will come back to give you my opinion after giving your answer.

        tes

        • Peace!

          Dear Tes,

          Yes. Isn’t the headline of the interview is NGO? Nevertheless, although he is a brutal dictator, it does not necessary mean everything he said is wrong.

          Regards

          • tes

            Dear Peace,

            DIA talked as usual many rubish things. And his take on NGO is also rubbish words.

            But let me tell you my view on NGOs.

            NGOs, as their name tells, are Non-governmental organizations. Their role can be positive or negative taking into consideration the package they usual carry with them under their declared mission. But NGOs do not cripple people but the leaders. When leaders are corrupted, monopolizers and exploiters of public resources, NGOs can be actors in facilitiating their greedy mission. This is what is happening to Africa and Eritrea is not free.

            Generalizing NGOs in one package is a mistake.

            Let’s see for example at some world statistics

            USA has around 1.5 million NGOs

            Russia – 277,000

            India – Around 2 million

            Their missions, objectives, and strategies vary widely. Some of them might be funded by single person, family or group of individuals and many secure funds from international organizations and governments. According to UN, any kind of private organization that is independent from government control can be termed an “NGO”, provided it is not-for-profit, non-criminal and not simply an opposition political party.

            If this is the definition, then is Eritrea these days free of NGO funded projects. Many key soil and water conservation projects are still now funded by NGOs in Eritrea. Above all, NGOs did a commendable job during our liberation struggle by providing food to the needy.

            Can we then conclude NGOs cripple societies, If they do, Eritrean people could be number one during the armed struggle. Instead, they survived.

            Let me make my opinion strong. If we are able to identify with whom to deal, we can either establish our own NGOs or call NGOs that they can really be effective in.

            During war time, it is natural for NGOs to flourish. During peace time, it is natural to shift these NGOs to victimized society. Look for example what is happening to Yemen now, Syria and many countries who are crisis. NGOs paly great role.

            But in Eritrea, when the state became under full control of PFDJ, he wanted everything to be channeled through him. NGOs refused and they were kicked off. How can they be controlled by dictators if they are meant Non-governmental?

            Mind you: NGOs cripple corrupted leaders not the people. By the way, if leaders were not corrupted, transaperency and dedicated to help ther people, NGOs could not have been established. They are there to fulfill the missing link between the people and the government and hence the leaders.

            To conclude, I don’t support the presence of NGOs during dictatorial system and I don’t care the presence of NGOs in the presence of strong and dedicated governments. if the later is the case, NGOs will be funded by the government not to fund the government.

            In case of Eritrea under PFDJ, PFDJ asked them to fund him as he is greedy of hard-currency. NGOs said, we can not fund PFDJ but support the people. During this time, they were banned almost 100%. ANd who became the victim? In Eritrea, both but especially the people. I don’t care about the corrupted PFDJ officers but I am witnessing 100s of thousands of my people fleeing.

            The people are not fleeing because of the absence of NGOs but PFDJ has no any means to rule his people but to dictate. NGOs were banned not because they cripple the society but the dictatorial system of PFDJ.

            tes

    • saay7

      Hi Tes:

      Saw it when it came out and I shared it with a few people.

      For some of us, Isaias Afwerki has committed so many crimes (high crimes, impeachable offenses, life-sentence-crimes) that what he says or believes in is immaterial…it is like learning that Hitler* loved cats and was a vegetarian and capable of being in love… the negative attributes so overwhelm the positive; they are forgettable.

      For others, those who don’t see what we see, or those who excuse what he does as a “necessary evil”, well, this (what he expresses in the slick video) is exactly what they love. It is statecraft as DIY (do-it-yourself), with frequent assurances of “we have never been wrong.”

      saay

      * I realize use of Hitler may be seen as overstatement by some…how about Stalin or Mao, then?

  • selam

    Hi all All
    This is a letter of thanks to weyane.
    I would like to thank weyane who decided to help us start our throwing waste earlier than expected by taking our waste.How thoughtfull of you to sacrfice yourself and consume these idiots on our behalve, we hope maybe someday some one else will repay you with the same consideration as you gave us. But I feel this processing is taking to much energy , money and time from the busy time table of your generals. Please forgive me I am feeling bad about the 15 years of conference. it pains me as hell the ethiopian money . You know how much the civil ethiopians are sacrificing to help the great rainsance dame get built , imgine of the single person paying for the dam and amnaule hidrat and mizaan cost the taxpayers too much money on countless conference .

    Here is my take on the below comment of semere, mizzan.

    Getting older is like visiting an all-you-can-eat buffet.what should be firm is limp, and the buns are bigger than anything else on the menu. Think??

    Signed by throwing waste branch of the Eritrean opposition.

    • Semere Andom

      Hi All
      This is a message from our sis Selam:
      My parents were freedom fighters, my grand father was also a freedom fighter. If you were parents were martyered you will be one of those dying in the desert, but if one of your parents is one of the handful PFDJ top echelons you can be discovered by the command of your English you learned in the private school so that explains my mastery of English while sitting in Asmara, that explains my high speed internet access and that explains also all my blessings.
      And these blessings unlike the biblical era they do not pass to generations but they die or thrive with PFDJ so that explains my defending PFDJ actually my freedom fighters parents
      But also I had more things to thank PFDJ and wanting to keep them until they change themselves and when they change I want to keep my blesssing. If it was ELF or the Woyane lackies like Emma, Mizaan and Sem, my tongue would have been circumcised. My beloved PFDJ bans tongue mutilations while pays lip service to female mutilations .It cares so much about your tongue that instead of circumcising your tongue, they safe keep you in Ela -Ero for your own safety. Simple.

      • selam

        Dear Semere.

        Well lets take it one by one because it seems to many freaks not enough circuses.You are adding a nice perfume ,Must you marinate in it.You plead contemporary insanity. what ever you feel , like chaos, panic disorder- other people can say too much but my work here done because i am not good on insulting.
        so back to the main points.
        A. Yes my parents fought against dergi along EPLF but the fighting is different i mean in between them.
        why because my father happens to be serving in prison by IA and yet his history is dumped until IA is gone.
        B. My mother worked hard as any Eritrean who volunteered to root out dergi still she is in pain saying how could this happen to Eritrea by a very few , she say seferti harich you can define the word if you are tegadalai if not i have nothing to say.

        C, Yes my grand father fought with ELF and i am still proud of him but still feel weyane was the couse.
        D. I have learned in a school where most immigrant families send their kids , while doing so , i happens to be lucky on that in which no one in my school years paid for me. A dime no one except my mother who worked day and night. So i am innocent from any Eritrean money. Nada.
        E. I have zero connection to PFDJ. and i am hoping they to go to a non recycling throw away soon but not as your way of bleeding every one on the process.

        So again i reclaim my way that i feel no shame because of my parents fought with EPLF and ELF , i am 100% proud and i will never ever give my voice to weyane clippers.

        Now lets stop defame each other , by saying like as if there is no tomorrow for defaming.I promise to use silk English and will not disappoint you.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi everyone:
    I hate big things, all big things: big mouth, big ideas, big words and big democracies. I know truth, but I do not tell it and if I tell it I swaddle it in a lie, but do not rejoice because the fact that I am admitting to you about what my truth swaddles, I am telling the truth, so let me tell you right here without writing gibberish, which is the language of Woyane, let me tell you I am truth teller.

    What I lack in snappiness I make up in peppiness. What I lack in eloquence I make up in bruteness. In equal measure and magnitude to my abhorance of big things, I hate small things too, that is why when I debrief people, I cut to the chase, I avoid pleasantries and small talk and delve to straight to the point, just like a true Eritrean I go for kill and not for the wounding and I get in trouble for it. I get in trouble in the cyberspace and in the real space.

    But today I am commenting, not for the sake of commenting, because this is not me rather I am commenting for two reason if you are creative enough, and brag about your snappiness, here is the challenge: find my other reason for commenting.

    First reason: as long as some life is in me, I will never let my beloved Eritrea be invaded, as along my lungs can take in some oxygen I will fight for Eritrea, I will stand up to the invading crowd, and all these I will do it without a drop of sweat from the comfort of my office, while simultaneously briefing people on the progress of invading Libya and Sirya . I will do it by pressing the buttons on my drones, and without touching or landing in Eritrea. It is not out of sight out of heart, I will make that saying obsolete just like the dreamers of invasion. I am in blind love with Eritrea emanated from my blind date.

    The second reason for my comment is to say the following about a nemesis of mine

    Like a professor whose lack of publishing papers cripples him from becoming a full professor and languishes as an assistant professor until he dies, my nemesis and invasion big mouth could not make it a full Dedebit, he is languishing as half Dedebit. He is tormented not to attain full “Dedebitship” but unlike our professor he published too much gibberish. But he was in love with a full Dedebitawit and that is his reason for supporting the invasion to appease his love to be around a full Dedebit. So he ascended the mountains of Dedebit, hitchhiked in the Dedebit tanks, but the years of sitting on his behind and receiving welfare made him unfit to campaign in the mountains of Dedebit and he quit.

    I go all these insights because of the quality of mentors I retain per bonno and I would like to say the following:
    Saleh dew belleley, Mahmuday dew belleley, and Gheteb dew belleley. Amen

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan Semere
      A nice treat; I enjoyed it; may be I will read it again if there are no more interesting inputs. But On Nitrikay, the one who runs on his own gas, the one who wins on his own terms, the one who owns his own blood, flesh, bones, neurons (and without exaggeration, in abundance at that), the one who caught Angafaw Gashe SGJ of swiping awate.com Posting GL, the only original…No, he needs no mentoring. There you have it. OK deal with him.
      That was hilarious though. A good satirical treat. Shukran.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Wo Semere,

      They are trying to recruit you to the “family politics” the “cousin families.” In their politics, family can not have different opinion. As a rule “conformity” is the way to go. That is why anyone who oppose the “worldview” of Saay they will come in full swing to gang at you. we have seen them. The danger of their teaching is – the effort they are making to extrapolate the “family conformity politics” in to the Eritrean politics. Ted told us that because the “cousins” are in the same page, by extension the Eritrean people are in the same page. Have you noticed that? Yours and Mizaan’s sarcastic political dictum will make them to hate “big things, big idea, big words, and big democracies” and add to it, big strategy, big cooperation, big development as you alluded in your comment. Ouch! “pro bono quality mentors” – I wish we have.

      regards,
      Amanuel Hidrat

      • saay7

        Hey Emma:

        You know how the mafia calls itself “Cosa nostra” (Italian for “this thing of ours”) and they call each other “good guy”? So “cousin” is like that: a good guy. To be a cousin, no familial relationship is required; not even agreement on anything. For example, Sem is a cousin; Rahwa is a cousin; TED is a cousin. All you need is clarity of mind and ability to express yourself forcefully and coherently. Start expressing yourself in a way that non ELF-cadres from the 1970s can understand and I will call you Cousin. And I will encourage all my cousins to do so 🙂

        saay

        • teweldino

          Hi Sal,

          I thought you also have to speak above moderate level of tigrayet 😉

          kidding ..

          • saay7

            Hey Teweldino:

            If that were true, I would have been kicked out of the club.

            Not kidding…

            Also, where is our weekly skewering of Awatistas. Come on, last week was particularly rich.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:
            Again that excessive modesty. I actually I heard you say that you struggle with Arabic too, then one day, recently you wrote something with the correct ‘tenwin”. This grammar item is so tricky that back in the days when Nit was not born, when Mahmud was Teg and you were learning your craft we used or we were told to say, “sekin wo teslem”, if you do not know the right “tenwin”, example if you do not know whether to say “Mohammeden” or Mahmmedun’ etc just say “Mohammed”, you will be safe:-)

          • saay7

            Hey iSem:

            In the immortal words of Semere Andom, “weriduni gwal qeshi!” Really, no modesty, the only thing that sucks worse than my Tigrayit is my Arabic. Wait. Maybe vice-versa: it’s a tie! (I don’t despair: all I need is 3 months in Kassala and I will be back to proficiency.) Amharic is a strong contender in that although I am shocked to learn when I read Amharic, I understanf 90% of it. Eyob teases me and calls me a closet Amara because he has a tricky question: do u like Aster, Kuku or Hamelmal and then whatever the answer, because he is a horrible human being, says “ah! You are a closet Ethiopian!”

            I honestly don’t understand how it’s legal but there is a website* where you can read great Amharic books for free. I told them to have a donate box so I won’t feel guilty but they won’t listen:). I hope they are not commies.

            saay

            * http://www.good-amharic-books.com

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Beside the point that I am not teasing you about you being a closet Amhara, which is my heart felt belief, don’t pat yourself on the back that much that you understood 90% of the Amharic you read. You’re a native Tigrigna Speaker. 65% of Tigrigna is filled with Amharic words or similar cognates to Amharic. The rest 25% your Amharic knowledge, which you obtained, while in your Amara closet. 🙂 Actually, you failed the test. because you should have understood 100%…

            Oh..I forgot. I gave you a D sometime ago, because you were bragging to translate ‘Fiqir Eske Meqabir’ written by ‘Kahadis Alemayehu’. You really thought that the author’s name was ‘Kahadis’.. 🙂 That was hilarious…. 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Tru dat, tru dat as the kids say. Now if you Ethiopians want to be a superpower, you gotta stop the “ke” before the authors name. None of Shakespeare’s book say “by William Shakespeare”, no need for “by”. Speaking of by, by the way, who is Ethiopias Shakespeare?

            Does this qualify for closet Ethiopian?

            Me in 1983: yeah erhiopias official language is Amharic.
            American colleague: so you spoke the language of Jesus?
            Me: huh?
            Colleague; Aramaic!
            Me: yeah, sure

            Happy Easter Eyobai

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal..

            Ha..that’s hilarious…On the other hand, you’re not completely wrong in your response to the stupid ‘ferenj’. All semetic languages (Arabic, Amharic, Hebrew, Tigrigna, Geez) use some Aramaic words. Example:- ‘Siqilo’ (Siqelew).. 🙂

            To me Ethiopian Shakespeare are two. Tsegaye Gebremedhin and Berhanu Zeryihun. Berhanu Zeryihun’s ‘Yetangut Mistir’ is a master piece like no other. He took historical facts, fused them together and made a fantastic novel out of it…. He was by far the most talented writer in Ethiopia. try to find and read it.

            Book :- Yetangut Mistir

            Ke Berhanu Zeryihun 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Eyobay,
            I just had a moment of brilliance. One of my unfulfilled dreams in Addis was finding a good book store where I can buy some decent books. It never accused to me to ask until now. The books I see on the streets every time I visit are either I already have, mediocre, or an outright translation of some foreign books I would’t take even if I was paid for it. The mega book store around 4 kilo carries mostly text books. So, please, some references (whenever you can) for my next visit.
            Selam.

          • Shum

            Hello Saay,

            You had colleagues in 1983? Dude, how old are you? I never thought to have colleagues until the turn of the century. I just had friends back then to tumble in the dirt with or ride bikes. But the funniest of it all is your dialogue makes you sound like a stoner. “Huh? yeah, sure.”

          • saay7

            Shum:

            You know the biggest movie around that time? “Fast Times At Ridgemont High.” So, you had to pick ur role model and Mr Spicolli was fascinating. Damn Mr Hand!

            Saay

            http://youtu.be/1wXs_1V7KiA

          • Shum

            Selam Saay,

            You brought back memories with this clip. You may have looked up to Spicolli but I get the impression you had more in common with this guy

            https://youtu.be/FWvAYNw8r9o?list=PLC31DE7EDD6BFC8B3

          • saay7

            Hey Shum:

            I never could relate to any of John Hughes directed teen-angst movies which were coming out every week. I think u had to have gone to high school in the US to relate to it. And a teen. And just when I thought I would never hear about them, they now have 30th-anniversary releases for The Breakfast Club, Sixteen candles.

            His grown up movies like the one with John Candy (planes trains automobiles) on the other hand I enjoyed.

            The geeky kid…Anthony Michael hall, after years of being mocked became a gym rat, gained 200 pounds of pure muscle and is looking for people to beat up. I will give him ur contact info:)

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Shumei,
            SAAY and I are exactly the same age. Except he is smarter, cuter, and slightley taller than I. Now, can you see my frustration with him all the time?
            Selam.

          • Shum

            Hello Fanti hawey,

            The last thing Saay needs is for you to gas him up. I remember when when he showed up on video a while back, he got heckled by the likes of, I believe, Kim Hanna for looking like the stereotypical Habesha math teacher. I think he stopped all public appearances afterwards. He should’ve borrowed SGJ’s pimp Kangol hat to give him an edge.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Brother SAAY,
            Paulos Gnogno is our Shakespeare. How could you not know that dude?

            There was a street kid in Addis with only one shoe. He was following a guy dressed neatly walking to his office or somewhere. The young kid catches up with him and after walking side by side for a short distance the kid asks: Gashe, ayafrum ende? the gentle man, puzzled asks why. the street kid says “biK TilK silbiwot.”

            You got to love Paulos Gnogno!

          • ghezaehagos

            Dear Fanti,

            I think Lorette Tsegaye Gebremedihin was Ethiopia’s Shakespeare, not just because he did wonderful translation of Shakespeare, because he was one; Or Pope or Milton…if not definitely he was Ethiopia’s Pushkin; Now that you got your own, can you guys give us back our Pushkin:-)

            On the late Tsegaye, here is the immortal Awash..
            Note to Eyob Medhanie: Is it true Awash is meant to eulogize the fate and destiny of the Oromo people???

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSN_rhoznus

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Dearest Ghazae,
            About Pushkin, it is okay by me, but I am a democrat, so let me consult with Abinet first.
            Selam.

          • saay7

            Hi Fanti Ghana:

            When I was a kid, when all the stuffy grown-ups were reading Addis Zemen, the kids were reading “Policna Ermjaw” a true-crime journal. I could be wrong (and if I am, Lord please don’t let it be Eyob who corrects me) but I thought Paulos Gnogno* had a column there and I thought he was just a “Dear Abby” or “Dear Dr. Ruth” advice columnist:) Certainly not Shakespeare quality.

            saay

            * in awate 1.0 (2001 edition), we had our own short-lived Paulos Gnogno dispensing advice. SGJ can correct me but I think the column was called Saay-It.(?)

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Brother,
            You just made my day with “Policna Ermjaw.” You won’t believe how many people I asked if they ever read it, and regardless of how old, how young, or how smart they look the answer was almost always: huh?

            My father was “Policna Ermjaw” junkie, and I couldn’t help it but read his leftovers occasionally, and that was how I discovered paulos Gnogno at early age. He always comes up with unique and funny phrases I wanted to give him the highest complement I could think off.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            For your own sake, you got it right. 🙂 Paulos Ngongo was not a literature guy. He was more of a journalist and history archiver. Yes, you’re right he had so many advise columns on almost all newspapers in Ethiopia. The most interesting fact about Paulos Ngongo was that he taught himself to become all what he become without attending high school or college. Born into a Libanese father and Ethiopian mother, his parents did not believe in a education. They made him a shopkeeper in Harar and because he was bored sitting in shop all day, he started to read. His old lebanese father thought that was a waste of time and to make sure that his son don’t sit quietly and read all day long in the shop, he (the father) used to order him to whistle, so he could here him from the back of the shop, where the father usually sit. 🙂

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Let me continue with the legend of Paulos Ngongo because I don’t like your ending…

            “And so it came to pass and Paulos Ngongo hired a shephered to whistle for him. That worked for a month but then the shepherd complained that his lips were swollen. So Paulos Ngongo invented the whistle. And he was pleased. But his Lebanese soon uncovered his mischief and he banished the shepherd and his whistle and Paulos was denied his pleasure of reading books. And so it was until he saw in his dream a woman whispering into the ears of her beloved and the idea came to him: audiobooks! And he invented audio books and from that day on he could listen to his books with tiny headphones whose wires became an extension of his sideburns and his father was none the wiser.

            And that’s why we celebrate him on Black History Month (shhhhh NOT arab history month) for his invention of the Whistle and Audiobooks.

            Now that’s an ending worthy of a Paulos Ngongo tall tale.

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            For your unwarranted sarcasm, here is your punishment. A whole 45 minutes history and works of Paulo’s Gnogno complete with the whistle story. (I am not even going to chop it for you.. 🙂 )

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ycGnc5XiA

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            Once again Trevor Noah is right. Before you become successful, your race is “mixed”. After you become successful, your race becomes “black.” Or, in this case, Ethiopian :). Trevor gives examples:

            saay

            http://youtu.be/QDXWUBIUi88

          • Saleh Johar

            Men’esey Saay,

            You are forgetting. “SayIt” [Say It] was Dawit Mefin’s column. The Paulos Gnogno wannabe was “Ato Newito.”

          • Fanti Ghana

            Professor SAAY,
            I almost fell into the same trap Eyob just did. He thinks you made a mistake by your “Kahadis.” He forgot to switch to n-dimension mode (thanks TK) when he read you that time.

            I switched mine on just in time to see that you are trying to hide your closet Ethiopian-ness from Eyob by asking who is our Shakespeare. Jaar, you are good!

          • Eyob Medhane

            Fanti Ghana,
            No no no no. .You are not letting him off the hook that easy. I’m telling you. He really thoght Haddis Alemayehu’s name was Kahaddis Alemayehu. Don’t make me pull out the thread… 🙂

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello FM Eyob,
            Could it have been before coffee or after wine then? I really don’t trust him; you know.

          • Nitricc

            SAAY; I am going to test your Tigryat fluency. Would you please translate this for me, from English to Tigryat. It was said by one of our times greatest think thank ever! and it goes l,ike this
            “ it is very healthy for any minority to be threaten by the majority”

          • Semere Andom

            Nitriccs:
            Let me help Sal cus his tigryat sucks as per his admission:-)
            “Nitrikay asker Amrica, Adu Qewe wo hawuh, min Lamira Qewiya wo min Qewiya Qewiya”
            NitriKay Amrica adhuyu lakin engliz Qewe wo tigryat wo tigrinay, wo Amharic seni lithage”

            Mahmuday please translate this for Nitricc, verbatim

            And one more thing, do not lie

          • saay7

            Nitrrikay:

            Before I give you my translation to be graded by MaHmuday…

            You know how the Eritrean gov describes the Ethiopian gov as “minority regime”? So anyway during the Mekete Years (2002-2012), that’s what every pro-PFDJ organization (including Organization of Eritrean Americans) would write. Minority regime, minority this, minority that. And: they were giving this literature to African American legislators… So one day I get a call: “what does your government have against minorities?” Lost in translation.

            So: here’s my translation of an expression that iSem never said or you are severely disfiguring:

            et fenghe aqlebiyet wa aqeliyet le hala Elaqet “ana zebTeka wa enta tbeke” kemtu: Kulu l’amro…

            saay

            PS: whenever iSem says “liar!” And “stop lying”, he reminds me of Bob Dole. Bonus points if you know why:)

          • teweldino

            Hi Sal,

            I thought you spoke some Tigre. Maybe you were using google translate 😉

            I have been tied up lately; so I have been reading selectively. But yeah there were a couple gems yesterday. Semere was brilliant. When he was accepting (ምስ ብዙሕ ቀልዓለም) the possibility of 3000 years Ethiopian history; he said: “… the point is, 3000 years ago for sure the people and the civilisation existed, the land may have also existed …..” [emphasis on “the land may have existed]
            I thought “What civilization! The Ethiopians of those days must have lived in ህዋ between sky and earth.” On a second thought, Mereb River could have been the end of the world (in those days….);and once you cross the river you will be in space. Maybe the world was flat in those days. Because, when it comes to Eritrea, he said: “…
            the people lived on the same land for thousands of years …” . You see, there was land in Eritrea but not in Ethiopia.

            Mizan was also telling Selam that he never invited Ethiopia to invade Eritrea; then said she should ask Sal (our resident Awate Librarian according to Tes) to locate the quotes where he invited Ethiopia to invade Eritrea. I replied to him saying; “if you have not said those words, how on earth was Sal supposed to locate them?..”; unfortunately, the ኣንጭዋ at disqus ate my post. But his killer line was: “[to Selam] what is going on lately but you seem quite erratic and unpredictable. You used to articulate well …” He was funny.

          • saay7

            Hi Teweldino:

            Come on, we need more. Sem, well, I think he is in his annual Rome trip and stuff happens when he goes there.

            Tigrayit (Tigre), well, what I denied is not that I speak it and understand it (and love it) but that I have Above Average knowledge of it. Not even close 🙂

            saay

      • selam

        Dear Amanuel
        As you know I am not in any group , you know mai hagay, that is me , I will never ever rain in any summer time as people tend to forget how dry our land in hagai is. No body needs me , no one. I am anwanted person who come to my wuray. I work hard to make sure my telebegiee, aha and the sweet people of nomads loved me most of the time but some times we disagree because my raining time and intencity is harsh some times so I take some cattle with me .so I am mai hagay , to the best xeyaki maexid very very bad. But that is nature it happens. It is not calculus for me. Saay does not like me, tes does not like me nitriccay does not like me. See that is it. Lonly planet with full of water to stream no one is notcing. I love abi , T.kifle I have no clue why, T.kifle seems nice ethiopian to me. But I will make sure I hold mahamuday to the most points in awate.com .

        • Ted

          Selam, wasup Girl. Am i missing something here? FYI, If you have The Great MS , you are set for good. take it easy.

  • selam

    Dear belay
    it was their own money , which was taken from their home land as you better know adis abeba was very poor when you compare to the industrial eritrea. So no taken and given.

    • Ted

      Selam, Haileslassie used incentive to immigrate Eritreans to the main land of Ethiopia as form of artificial integration while killing those refuse his authority in Eritrea.

      • selam

        Dear Ted
        Yes I agree but I also think most eritrean wealth was transferred to Ethiopia.Forexample portservice and other stuff. Dear ted help me here , why peoplelike mizaan , semere , amanuel do notdefend eritrean history? They just accept why is that I do not understand . Do you think they are foolish or they may behappen to be ethiopians

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Dear Selam,
          Are you from my generation who spent part of their lives for the cause of self-determination of our people? Aren’t you proud of that history? You are talking about the personalities you don’t even know them. Why don’t stop this childish talk of PFDJ talking point. You can’t defend my history more than myself. Know what you are talking and have human decency and respect and stop your “zeyte-gerze melhas.”
          Amanuel Hidrat

          • Ted

            Dear Amanuel, you may have fought for Eritrean independence but it doesn’t make you immune to abrogation if you found to be against the interest of Eritreans. You wave ” i Amanuel” flag in front of people to legitimize your position or opinion. Last time Semere mentioned the 5% to show the number of people involved to liberate Eritrea. You jump in with absurd excuse and explanation. He knew what he was saying. He want to show us PFDJ is not as big as we think that the opposition can wipe them out with the little bit of help from TPLF. No explanation needed.it is position , so be it.
            Let not the your past be your passport for life. As i see it you stand with the organization i believe to be the enemy of Eritrea. It is not only mine but most Eritreans.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Teddy,
            ELF is the enemy of Eritrea!!! Here you goes. Saay is laughing on his rocking chair. Is that from the bainwash manuel of PFDJ-2. You have it and dance with it. You love to scratch the civil war of the 70s and you also want to look against civil war just to protect the value system of PFDJ. Good to know what you people are doing behind the ugly destructive security apparatus of PFDJ.

          • Ted

            Dear Amanuel, what you had done in the past is your accomplishment, no one can take away from you. As far as i know ELF played its part for our Free Eritrea. What we have now here is different kind of struggle( for justice) and everybody is in a same footing as all are trying their part. You resume can’t save you from accusation or criticism. ELF Rocks.

          • selam

            Dear Emma
            For the record I have never ever contriputed to the self determination of eritrea , but my father and mother did and my grandfather did with ELF. So I am proud of your selfless sacrfice for me and so many generations. I said this long time ago you may not read it. Now here is the story 7 want you to understand my father , mother fought along EPLF against dergi and so against ELF which is his father . Yet I am proud of them both. Did I forget weyane killed my grandfather and helped my father , how irony is that emma. You are my dear brave hereo still I want you to be that way. That is the reason I feel disillusioned by the current situation. I have waited so long on the article of the seven ….written by saleh to comment but you were never to comment again I find your comments when it comes to defend people from the south . When are you to tell them that eritrea won independence by sheer force of her daughters and mothers.

            You may think I have no clue who you are but it does not take much time to know all about you by screen ing all your posts articles and other things. Now do I have zeyte…. melhas yes of course any one around will be held on my own balance not on your own . Because that is what exactly you are doing . By the way i can repeat what you said and judge you by that. Lets come to the word migraz which is totally below your intelligence to say to me. Thanks I am not the one calling for people to kill each other whioe I sit in my comfort zone thatis the difference between you and me. You amanuel are calling for people to kill each other . Do you have any desency to tellme you fought for independence and have the right to call for more blood shed ? No I will not call you brave by the later account you remember what people call them when they left EPLF OR ELF and go with dergi ? You know the name right.

        • Ted

          Selam, that is the million dollar question. To understand their motive and to show them how unpopular their view is SAAY ask one of them to do a little(~20 people) of polling(survey) of their Eritrean acquaintance about things simple as “is TPLF involvement acceptable to Eritreans” . They did’t want to do it. It does not mean it is scientific or proof but it would have showed them the reservation Eritrean have when it comes to TPLF. and if would have saved them a lot of grief by asking those questions. I suspect they can’t handle the truth. It is like TPLF having Eritrean lawyer to defend its case. They are just doing their job. It is my guess.

          • Semere Andom

            Ted and Selam:
            What has popularity has to do with reality? Are we selling a product here? I admitted to Saleh about the out come of that little poll, I called it open ballot. If you ask them in closed ballot, where you the asker will not know what they answered, I will not bet on your popularity thing
            I know this, still if you ask Eritreans in closed ballot about t unification, it will be the same like 1993, overwhelming vote for independence. But if you ask them in a closed ballot Ethiopian help to get rid of PFDJ when Eritrean opposition are owning the vision, I would bet that they will go for it. Two different things. You and Selam and others are gifted for mudding what has been said here
            And to yours and Selam’s of questioning our Eritreaness, first know that the Tegaru you hate so much a are those diseappearing you, they are the Kishas, the Monkeys, the Charlies and the DIAs.
            I do not worry about my Eritreaness, it chose me and Eritrea will still chose me after all again, because I am there I can prove to the new government that I am an Eritrean.
            you advocate tyranny by foreigners but embrace by Eritreans I hate both and fight both

            TPLF involvement in what? In their daily lives or to help the Eritrean justice seekers to remove PFDJ is the right question

          • Ted

            Ciao Semere, it is even low for your standard to go to the path of slandering and naming names. I have zero doubt you are Eritreaness. i also believe your love for people of Eritrea is no different than the others, selam, Nit me or all others.. We all are frustrated by the pace of the resistance movement in achieving its goals. But the difference is the understanding of the situation and dealing with it.Your barometer reads your frustration as “eminent explosion” destroying the bedrock of sovereignty while our reads “danger” but calm down there are some strategy to avert it. So calm down we have a hose and a water at own back yard to put off the fire and DON’T DARE you going to the neighbor house for a fire truck. You should know by now it is in the best interest of our southern neighbors to use their bulldozer rather than the fire extinguisher in our house. The confection(Tibele) made special for you by The Great MS shouldn’t take that long to kick in. Just calm down.

          • selam

            Dear semere and mizaan
            calm down, if you are not eritrean yu could have been on tigraionline , I just questioned your urgency to see more dead people on asmera streets . unless u are eritrean no question about that.

  • Hope

    Come on Mizan,
    I am an Eritrean–by all standards.Nothing else.
    You rather impress me with your unique Talent–
    I learned the word–uniquely technical that I have never heard of in my life–despite my College Degrees.
    “ESOTERIC”:
    Thanks if it is a compliment ,and even if it is a criticism—it is welcome!
    That is the way to learn,Bro!

  • Hope

    Dear Belay,
    Never mind aboit Janhoy helping Eris….
    Dreaming ?
    Eris do NOT need any help but freedom to help themselves…
    Hard work is in their genes besides earning it due to the problems they have gone through.”Chighir Bilhatin yifetral”.
    Acknowledge and learn-and do your home work,big bro!

  • Nitricc

    To my good friend Semere Andom. Since he is calling for Ethiopia to invade Eritrea; I just wanted him to read this …..

    “On 21 March 2007, a Somali mob dragged the bodies of Ethiopian and TFG soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu and set them on fire. Over the next two years, outrage over Ethiopian atrocities—particularly the systemic use of rape—prompted more than 20 members of Minnesota’s Somali diaspora to return to Mogadishu to fight the Ethiopian and TFG forces. Their possession of U.S. passports raised the specter of home-grown terrorism and heightenconcerns about Somalia’s conflict in Washington.18 Even members of AMISOM began to hear the name of al-Shabaab, which emerged in the midst of the public anger as a popular resistance movement.”

    http://jsou.socom.mil/JSOU%20Publications/JSOU14-5_BrutonWilliams_AMISOM_FINAL.pdf

    “On 21 March 2007, a Somali mob dragged the bodies of Ethiopian
    and TFG soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu and set them on fire. Over
    the next two years, outrage over Ethiopian atrocities—particularly the systemic
    use of rape—prompted more than 20 members of Minnesota’s Somali diaspora to
    return to Mogadishu to fight the Ethiopian and TFG forces. Their possession of
    U.S. passports raised the specter of home-grown terrorism and heightened
    concerns about Somalia’s conflict in Washington.18 Even members of AMISOM began
    to hear the name of al-Shabaab, which emerged in the midst of the public anger
    as a popular resistance movement. “

    m ‪http://jsou.socom.mil/JSOU%20Publicatio
    … _FINAL.pdf

    m ‪http://jsou.socom.mil/JSOU%20Publicatio
    … _FINAL.pdf

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello everyone,
    Has anyone seen Mahmud? I am looking for him.

    • Hope

      —In a Secret Mission to shop for ICBM from N Korea to take a ‘ proportional” measure to Ethiopia’s aggression —and bombing of the Civilian Mining Center!

  • Burbank

    Hello Mizaan Haftey,

    Thank you. I got you! I clearly now see why you think I am of the opinion. You are correct, I kept it vague not intentionally but luck of clarity on my part. Eyob has also that as his point as his rebuttal which I will clarify. For now would you be OK if I tell you that, no I don’t think that Tigryans are resentful of Eritreans – not even close – and that you will read my explanation for my remark on that point when I do it for Eyob?

    Also my apologies for not returning the good wish for Hashenda. I hope you had a good one. Let me wish you a Happy Easter to make up.

    Peace and Love,

    Paulos

  • Burbank

    Hello Eyob and everyone,

    This is regarding your second point.

    Congratulations! If all Ethiopian political forces now and in the future believe and abide by what you stated here, peace and tranquility are three days away….almost. Oh! Maybe not that fast but we will get there. We MUST! I will scribble my vision about the relationship of the two people and nation separately some other time. In the meantime, with the current EPRDF government, I strongly believe that there is little chance they would enter that crazy lane. No guarantee, because you know that Seya Abraha, some years ago when he was challenging Meles zenawi’s power, was on the rump and almost entered it. Other than I strongly believe wisdom, social thoughts and political consciousness of a society/nation/community are also governed by the laws physics: a prevailing thought/wisdom is the resultant of all vector ones reacting to one another. Eritrea’s thoughts are a vector in case you didn’t know. It acts at angle to all everything that is going on in Ethiopia. Any ways that is a different story.

    Now back to your point. The following sentiment of Ethiopians is burdening to me personally and to, probably many Eritreansas well. You said, “Ethiopians insisted to Eritreans with them before, because they never thought that the hate and resentment that many Eritreans had runs that deep.” Many Ethiopians view the matter as such. It is equally as much confusing as emotionally burdening.

    Here strange facts not only to you but also to Eritreans

    1) Ethiopians don’t know that Eritrea was a peripheral remote territory to Abyssinian/Ethiopian power center which itself was fluid and moving from province to province. They don’t know the Amhara people as they didn’t run into them. How would you love people you don’t know and didn’t engage with? The only emperor/King who crossed to Mereb and actively engaged in Eritrea is Yohannes and he himself didn’t control Eritrea that well.

    2) Here is a strange fact: Almost no Ethiopians and very few Eritreans know that Eritrea was cut from Tigray/Ethiopia by Italy before Eritreans knew that highland Eritreans and Tigrians belong to the same ethnic group and speak the same language? Do you know most never learnt it since and don’t still know it. Do your own testing and let us know. Let me guess what you are thinking? No, I am not exaggerating

    3) The Tigreans themselves had no reason to come to Eritrea before Asmara and Massawa became urban centers. That is not until the first quarter of 20th century

    4) Do you know I the people of Akeleguzay and Seraya and Hammassien have misconceptions about each other until now because the contact is limited until this day and second?

    By the time Hailesalassie came to claim Eritrea, they have smoked opium*. The rest is history.

    If Ethiopia is a male and Eritrea a female here is what I imagine would have the exchange in their first encounter would have gone.You can imagine Famieta for Eritrea if you want and I am imagine the handsome Endalkachew as Ethiopia.

    Ethiopia: “Hi, my name is Ethiopia. You are so beautiful.”

    Eritrea: With shay face, “Hello, Thank you. I appreciate it.
    Eritrea.”

    Ethiopia: “I see you in the neighborhood and always wanted to
    talk to you. Do you still go out with selatu ugly Italian?”

    Eritrea, “What? You do? Hmmm…who are you? Are you from Showa?
    The Italian is not my boyfriend or ….. I got to go.”

    Ethiopia, “Wait! Wait! Get closer to me! Do you know I love you?”

    Shocked by the surprise from the stranger, Fiameta kicked the can down the street as she run away the stranger.

    But there is good news ahead…..

    Peace and Love,

    Burbank

    *Eritreans were high with 4th grade knowledge, European suite, cooking the best Erupean cousins, speaking Italian, read news papers, established trade unions ……

    • Gebrekirstos

      ” Here is a strange fact: Almost no Ethiopians and very few Eritreans
      know that Eritrea was cut from Tigray/Ethiopia by Italy before Eritreans
      knew that highland Eritreans and Tigrians belong to the same ethnic
      group and speak the same language? Do you know most never learnt it
      since and don’t still know it. Do your own testing and let us know. Let
      me guess what you are thinking? No, I am not exaggerating”

      This, for me, is so enlightening. One day, I met an Eritrean who asked me how I learned Tigrigna, even after I told him that I am from Tigray. Another Eritrean man, an old man whom I respect and with whom I had drinks and conversation often, was one day mocking the Tigrigna of a Tigrayan lady because she said “ክህርስ እየ”. He explained he could not understand what she meant.

      After explaining to him that “ክህርስ እየ” means ” I will sleep”, he still continued to mock her Tigrigna. He said “ንምንታይ ክድቅስ እየ ዘይትብል?” I told him that “ክህርስ እየ” is a correct sentence (at least in most of Tigray) and that there are many variations (dialects) in the Tigrigna language. After a lot of explaining and examples of variation, he still could not get it why the lady had to use “ክህርስ” and not ” ክድቅስ”. I was at loss to understand him. It was an absurd mix of ignorance and arrogance; my respect for him never became the same. Encounters like this are very common, and it always leaves me perplexed. But maybe, with people like you and an honest effort at understanding, we might come to understand what seems to us, Ethiopians, Eritreans’ empty arrogance and exceptionalism is actually a deep ignorance.

      • selam

        Dear Ghebre..

        Thanks for the word please add more, but I am afraid even in tigray their accent is quite different as the same in eritrea . Kihris , bebey, hiziy, lawuzy,haxax…. please help me add more. All these words can be traced to eritrea so no offense , it is just multi.. that make language rich. But why your eritrean friend is making fun of such accent and difference referhim to some eritrean villages just 15 km fromtigray in to eritrea.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Hello Brother Gebrekirstos and Selam Haftey,

        The few Tigrigna phrases/words we are accustomed using to belittle each other with are probably the list studied and talked about in our region. I don’t know where I was when you posted this, but this topic is my coffee shop specialty. For instance ክህርስ and ክድቅስ, ናጋ and ፅባሕ, ወቒዑዎ and ሃሪሙዎ, በይነይ and ብሕተይ, ሃፂፀ and ተሃዊኸ and many others may not have been as exclusively used as we use them today. They individually may have had a specific meaning that has been forgotten since.

        Notwithstanding the normal process of how words evolve overtime and how our surrounding influences that evolution, my theory is that these words meant something slightly different than what we think they mean today, and got stuck there ever since.

        For instance the word ብሕተይ (obviously from the word ባሕቲ (day one)) is commonly used in Hamsasien/Anseba more than anywhere in Eritrea and then it jumps everyone in the middle and pops up in Raya of all places. In law land Raya we almost never say በይነይ we exclusively say ብሕተይ (Maichew and other highlanders use both).

        There are two types of being alone. one is when you are by your self in the middle of nowhere, and the second is when you are with a bunch of strangers and you are not interacting with anyone because no one knows you in that group and you know none of them. It is likely that our anscestors may have been using ብሕተይ in the first case and በይነይ in the second. ተሃዊኸ if you are forced by a third party event or person, but ሃፂፀ if it is your own doing. If you are tired you need ድቃስ, if you are ill you need ህራስ፣ if intentional ወቒዑዎ and if by accident ሃሪሙዎ and so on.

        Some people make the mistake of assuming words like ናጋ are Amharic influenced, but the truth can equally be that the word ነጌ or ነገ could have been derived from the Tigrigna ናጋ.

        ፅባሕ -› ኮኸብ ፅባሕ and the famous Amharic phrase መስከረም ጠባ they all point to a point in time but not the time itself. Which in this case the time is ናጋ. When we say ናጋ it is the whole 24 hours, but when you say ፅባሕ it is the first one quarter of the day. Blh blah blah.

        As I said earlier this is a coffee shop analysis, but it is holding so far. However the ክህርስ episode with your ex-friend above is a sign of our collective backwardness we all seem to exhibit all the time. A lot of education is the only solution folks. Let’s gang up on that.
        Selam.

        • Gebrekirstos

          Hi Fanti,

          Interesting perspective. Indeed let’s gang up on ignorance. That is the only way to see beauty in life and diversity, to connect dots and create patterns as you just did. I agree on your general take on the possible difference in meaning (in the past) of these different pairs of words. I also agree on the particular difference between ተሃዊኸ and ሃፂፀ (that is, by the way, how we use them in my area). Your take on ናጋ is correct (there are many other words related to it, such as ነጊሁ፣ ንጉሆ).

          Going beyond, I believe that many of the Amharic words must have come from Tigrigna, not the other way around. This is because many of the Amharic words that have the same Tigrigna cognates seem simplification of the Tigrigna cognates. Take for example ደርሆ and ደሮ . It makes much sense to say that ደሮ is a corruption of ደርሆ rather than the other around (ደሮ becoming ደርሆ). It is very natural linguistic process to drop some phonemes in a word in the evolution of words. Similar words are :
          ብዕራይ፣ በሬ
          ላሕሚ፣ ላም
          ማሕረሻ፣ ማረሻ
          በልዐ ፥ በላ
          ምኽያድ፣ መሄድ
          መፅአ፣ መጣ
          ሰርሐ፣ ሰራ

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Gebrekirstos,

            When Mekele university concluded that the source of Tigrigna may have been around what is now Wejerat-Raya that was all I needed to connect the dots. It made a perfect sense, at least, to me. Using the same logic it is easy to see Amharic also may have its origin in Tigray. There is one issue that puzzled me for a long time. Since we are conditioned to think of Amharic as a language imposed on us, which would have been since the reign of Atse Minilik, why then did Atse Yohannes write all his official correspondence (even when addressed to other Tigrigna speakers) in Amharic? He spoke Tigrigna at home, but Amharic in public. Very interesting. Add to that YG’s statement of names like Awetash, Alganesh, Amarech and so on to have been Eritrean names not necessarily imported I am left with a bigger problem to tackle than I begun. My grand father and his 3 brothers’ names, who would have been named before Amharic domination took effect, are unequivocally Amharic. why?

            Anyway great take my friend. lets keep learning.

          • selam

            Dear Ghebrekirstos

            it is quite amusing to find Gebru asrat in awate.com , how does it feel when you feel proud of the last 100 yeqrs of history and told this is ours and this is that. I am 100% the tigrai people are not like you so that i have respect for them.
            But you , yes you the son of Gebru asrat , who is poised to mask his venom on behave of tigrai people . We will not let that happen , you and your gebru asrat cronies will make your dream of war and insulting but , the time has pased.

            you for a fact know , dergi has grined our blood , i mean you &me , what is bad is you people are asking us to throw our Eritreanism.

  • selam

    DEAR Eyob.

    by cutting the if out.
    I never felt arab, I do not think eritreans are arogant or stupid either.what they know for a fact is that weyane is there to teach people like you what they think is ok about eritreans. I will be naive to think you represent all ethiopian people because Rahwa and kim and T.kifle has never ever insulted eritreans at such level. But here is the truth sir you have got A grade in your weyane school of hate. That is a good acheivement for you . Call any number to eritrea they will never say such selfdegrading comment about you. How do your comment repr3sent the great awate.com rules . Is this ok to insult 6 million people but not 3 ethiopian leaders . How ironic are rules ?

  • Hope

    Dearest Burbank,
    is this old Haile TG?You sound even better.
    Well done job.
    Stay still,man!
    In my opinion though,it seems that you might have gone a bit too much in “translating” Daniel’s Article.
    I do not see any problem withhis short,to the POINT,realistic,more practical and sweet analysis; and his message is crystal clear and ,in FACT,HE SURPRISED ME WITH HIS HONEST” u-TURN”.,
    No need to indulge into technical terms,academia,metaphysics,etc……but to his core message:
    -Let us reform Eritrea–in all aspects
    -Let us avoid Regionalist and Sectarian Politics
    -Let us UNITE
    -Yes for National Reconciliation,by compromising and narrowing our differences
    -Eritrea and Eritrean Sovereignty are FIRST and uncompromisable
    So,what is wrong with this?
    He is just bringing up old major issues to be debated with new sSpirit and Energy..The details will follow but first thing is FIRST!
    But my question to Daniel is:
    How can we proceed?We know the problems—but the Strategy,the implementation,Execution —are lacking,
    I hope you will come up with a Follow Up Article to clarify some gray areas people are unfairly pickng up and with some practical solutions.
    Beyond that,kudos to you for a.very good and sensible article….no matter what people say or gossip!

  • tes

    Dear Mizaan,

    I will ask Teweldinho if you can be in our committee of Assignments though your bias has spoiled some of your rational thinking? Is that because of your school curriculum, the school of opportunists? The Fine School of Thought has a clear shortage of human resources but the criterias are so difficult to pass by. Burbak case is different. If he continued to stay well and good if not the Fine School of Thought welcomes short-time volunteers very rarely. But thanks Saleh Johar is there to keep the door open.

    tes

  • Eyob Medhane

    Hadgembes,

    Thank you so much. I wanted to know about this guy, because during Gonder University 60th anniversary, his name was called up and he was honored, because I think he was alumni there…

    The video is in Tigrigna and my Tigrigna knowledge extremely poor! but I definitely watch it. I really appreciate it…

    • Hope

      Eyob,
      FYI:
      If you are talking about Dr/Pastor Fitsum,he was beyond an Alumini.
      The ONLY Psychiatrist for a long time in Eritrea,to my best recall and knowledge.
      BTW,most of or some the Honorees/Super-Achievers both at GCMS, AAU and Gimma Univ were Eritreans.
      Here are some that I remember:
      Dr Negassi from AAU/Black Lion/Former Chief Resident ,now Associate Prof of Medicine at Orotta School of Medicine,Asmera
      Dr Rahel from AAU-Gold Medalist from the Black Lion Hospital,now Pediatrician i Dallas Texas
      ,who specialized in Peds with Honrs from new england Med Center.
      Dr Yemane-(GCMS)—now Asst Prof of Medicine at Orota School of Medicine
      Another Dr Yemane,,,gold medalist at Black Lion Hospital
      Dr Dawit Welday(close friend of Dr Yemane—Eri-Ethiopian-Eritrean(both ways they way he did it))
      -Dr Henok Ghebremariam(GCMS)—subspecialized in Ob-Gyn -from Germany then Tel Aviv University
      -Dr Benhur Amanuel(GCMS),now in Australia–Gold Medalist at GCMS–but some Staff bribed and transferred the medal to an Ethiopian Chap!
      -Dr Efrem Ghide(Gimma Univ Med School) Gold Medalist
      This is NOT to mention the old Alumini of the GCMS–like Prof Ghebresilassie Ukubazghi;and A Prof of Medcine/Public Health and Epidemiolgy at Michigan University,USA–forgot his name…and other Experts at the Black Lion Hospital and Army Hospital===Cardiologists,top Surgeons and Pediatricians,most whom were kicked out by the TPLF Agents for being Eritreans after their life time service for Ethiopia and the People of Ethiopia!
      This is not to list the hundreds of names of Eri Professionals and Intellectuals that I know but very few of the Super Achievers and Alumini at GCMS,AAU,Gimma That I remember,as you reminded me the Nostalgia of GCMS-now Gonder University-“very deservedly:”.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Nephew Hope,
        .
        Thanks for the information. You must have, who is who, bio. of Eritrean professionals in Ethiopia. A lot of those Eritrean and Ethiopian cream professionals are now disbursed all over the world. Take heart though, there are still more professionals being produced currently. As Bill Cosby realized you cannot keep good people down for long, from higher aspirations and achievements.
        .
        K.H

      • Eyob Medhane

        Hope,

        A very wise man told me that great alumni are testaments of great schools..

        • hope

          Eyob wedi Medhanie..
          Btw,..Eyob is my cousin’s name;Medhanie: my younger bro’s name,—you see how close we are,no matter what.??
          There will be a day where a Tiger and a Lion;a cat and a dog will sleep side by side.
          if you are serious,Yes indeed,GCMC,aka,Gonder School of Public Health Officers(Tena Mekonen College)–and now,yes,deservedly,Gonder University,is but the main source of Health Professionals–from Health Assitant to Professors and Scientists,in Ethiopia!
          I was mesmerized after I visited it 20 yrs later–and I said ;” Thank God’-as the dream came true!Not to mention the Bahir Dar Univ,aka,(Lake) Tana University.
          Absolutely,not shy but rather PROUD to say ” Thank You GCMS/Mamma Ethiopia–on that regard!
          The old bush of ‘Science Amaba”of the GCMS(Gonder College of Medical Sciences) is turned into Sky Scrapper Univ….Buildings.
          For now we would appreciate if you respect us as a Sovereign Nation and People….
          Stay away from bullying and threatening us as a country and as a nation:
          BTW,your assertions seems to be correct that since Eritrea received for free the High-tech Mi-35 Helicopter, and apparently,since PIA was interviewed about helping the Ethiopian Opposition,the Bisha Mine,the Mai Edagha Weapons Depot and Barentu City were targeted by missiles form Mekele Base…as aproportional measure to PIA Interview and the Helicopter=to the amount of money for the Weapons Depot in Mai Edagha!.
          The Missiles achieved targeting 2/3 of the inteneded targets:with good result at the Depot but minimum damage to the Mine and Barentu City.
          Source: Reliable Sources from Asmera through the EPDP website.
          Kudos to you.
          I called home within few days of the Seber Zena and that waswhat I was told initially but have not bought it yet, but not surpirsed either as that has been the routine by the tplf JUNTA since 2011; but was a bit concerned about targeting the Mine,as they will target the Culluli and Bada Potash sites and the new Gold/Silver/Copper and Zinc sites in zara/Asmera/Dibariwa sites….with possible attempt to retaliate by the GoE ,which will lead to another mess.

        • Abi

          Eyobe
          Let me finish your sentence
          great school and a loving country that doesn’t discriminate between her children and the adopted ones

          • Hope

            Abi,
            No need to be a “hypocrit”.
            Consider the positive role of the ” adopted
            ones……,who have done a better job than the “originals”.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Hope,

            Ay ay ay ayeeeee. When will you learn? If the “Originals” were not there, the “adopted” ones wouldn’t have existed. So, the “Originals” are still going to be originals forever and ever… You know that we can do that all day long, right? (Sigh) (eye roll) and me, the original praying for your poor, adopted, angry soul… 🙂

          • Hope

            My Dear Eyobay:
            You are just trying to supplement to what the “adopted” ones near-completed,hence,be GRATEFUL to us….

      • Abi

        Hope nefse
        Yihe GURA new ende Abraham zer beAlem lay yebetenachu. Tinish tenfes argew. Fara.
        You think those universities closed because there are no high achievers.
        We are building more and more universities and producing millions of high achievers.
        This is what boils my blood. GURA bicha !!!
        Show me one thing you did in the last 24 years.
        sawa,sawa,sawa,

        • Hope

          Abi,
          Despite the sanctions,the threats,the harrassements,evil deeds,sabotages,motives,set ups,lies,deceptions,etc—you name it -every evil under the SUN:
          Eritrea has survived as an Independent Nation
          -Built Seven Colleges
          -Achieved the MDG
          -Developing its infrastructure from ground zero–
          Etc—
          All the hiccups will be a history despite your sleepless nights to keep us behind….
          PIA will be gone for good–Eritrea and Eritreans will stay alive,vibrant and will march to the PROMISED LAND—and all these,despite your evil dreams and deeds,sanctions,sabotages, threats,—-NO MATTER WHAT and how weak Eritrea is and how strong Ethiopia is and will be…..
          Read History and refer to what Cousin SAAY has just said to Eyob—and listen to the advice of your dead for good–PMM,RIP!
          Abi,
          You need more Gurra?Here it is and have it!
          Talk to me in 3-5 yrs from now…
          You will witness:
          1)A better Sinagpore
          2)#1 Oil and Gas Producer
          3)#1 Potash Producer
          4)Top Precious Metal producer and exporter
          5)Top Tourism destination
          6)top Fish exporter
          7)top pure salt Exporter
          8) Top Cheap but clean Energy exporter
          9)Top Health Care Provider in Africa
          10Top leading Education Center
          11)Reversal of Migration
          -You need more?—A $trillion Development Package is right at your face—provided you leave us alone!
          “Those who have tried to kill Eritrea and Eritreans,they are either dead(janhoy,Menghie,Meles,—-),are dying a silent death and will die! whiule day dreaming”:
          Courtesy of Mr Yemane Ghebre’ab,The PFDJ Political Affairs Head/Presidential Advisor/the De Facto/pending Minister of Foreign Affairs.

          • Abi

            Hope nefse
            I’m impressed.
            Funny you are still marching to the promised land 24 years after you reached there .Tell me if it is a different land. Or are you chasing your shadow. May be you are chasing your tail.

          • Mizaan

            Hope,

            Let’s take you up point by point. Don’t list doctor’s names here because I do not know any of them.

            Hope: Eritrea has survived as an independent nation.

            – Even Somalia with all the anarchy and warlords they have and had, they are still surviving. Survival is like a child learning to walk. You either have to be dead or you will survive. Eritrea is an independent world recognized nation. What has survival got to do with it?

            Hope; built seven colleges.

            – Most do not stick around to finish their diplomas (mind you not degrees).

            – We do not have an accredited University there. Liberal arts colleges produce future leaders but we ain’t got none in Eritrea. We had one but it is not there any longer.

            Hope: MDG. The report is mixed and a lot of countries are all collectively doing pretty well. For – – – Eritrea, to show you how mixed the report is, “Malnutrition remains also one of the major public health problems in the country.”

            Hope say Eritrea will:

            1)A better Sinagpore – when? In 24 years, we went from bad to much worse. Singapore wasn’t built in one day.
            2)#1 Oil and Gas Producer – I have not heard yet that we have oil reserves. If you mean natural gas by fracking, fracking requires enormous amounts of water and energy to apply the pressure. We won’t be there any time soon.
            3)#1 Potash Producer – Maybe
            4)Top Precious Metal producer and exporter – copper? Gold?
            5)Top Tourism destination – if we have a democratic and welcoming administration
            6)top Fish exporter – let’s feed our people first
            7)top pure salt Exporter – ok
            8) Top Cheap but clean Energy exporter – you are promising too much
            9)Top Health Care Provider in Africa – we do not even have an accredited medical school
            10Top leading Education Center – similar to 9. We have mostly Indian teachers because there are not enough educated Eritreans.
            11)Reversal of Migration – people have been leaving Eritrea since the late 1950’s – early 1960’s. the proportion of those who went back is negligible. The trend can only continue the way it is now. At the very best, I can hope for stopping the exodus but people returning is a dream.

          • Hope

            Selam Wo Senay Mizan,(Ermias?)
            Thanks for your inqiries and response and I admire and appreciate your “mizanized debate and articulation”.
            Disclaimer:
            -My comment is based on New/Future Democratic Eritrea and based on our history and eritrean Stamina,Intellect an dhard work….We will reclaim all these..soon.
            -Past is history but history
            -I believe in Today mainly but for tomorrow as well
            -I am speaking as an Eritrean
            -The issue of Energy,Potash and other Mining Sector are based on FACTS,not on dreams,wishes,Eritrea has them—per the Western Economic Intelligence Report.

            1)A better Singapore –
            -In the next few yrs.,of course,not overnight!Don’t you see the Signs of the times.??(The EU is acting on the behalf of the West….starting with $380 Million,the Bristish Mining/Exploration Companies are in,the Chinese are there….
            -Massawa and Aseb will be upgraded to the level of never anticipated status
            – Postah will be starting to be shipped in 2016—for the next 250 yrs!!!
            2)#1 Oil and Gas Producer :
            -Refer to the Western Economic Intelligence.N Massawa is the site for massive oil reserve.
            Natural Gas is confirmed bothin quality and Quantity
            3)#1 Potash Producer -see above.Believe it or not,there more than plenty of Collulis and Badas in Denkalia….classified,FYI!
            4)Top Precious Metal producer and exporter
            Yes,indeed-all of the fine Metals– Copper, Gold,Zinc,Marble and rare minerals–occupying 70% of the Eri Land
            5)Top Tourism destination – Yes we will have a democratic and welcoming administration

            6)top Fish exporter
            -the 5 Dams in Gash Barka will do the job of feeding the people
            -Fish will be the daily Meno in Eritrea very soon

            7)top pure salt Exporter – ok?? More than OK.COMESA just starting to import it…

            8) Top Cheap but clean Energy exporter –
            -It is a matter of time and is well researched,and feasibility study is under way.
            -We have to prioritize things— Mining,then Oil an dGas then Energy(Red Sea Dam–is technically easy and the finance will be there in 3 yrs

            9)Top Health Care Provider in Africa –
            -I careless about the world bureacracy of Accredition.
            -Eritrea has done the job in six yrs,whcih took others 30yrs.
            we do not even have an accredited medical school
            -The Norwegians,and the Sudanese witnessed it.
            -Finland,the UNICEF and the Sudan are involved .Do you know about the Sudanese Education? Cousin Sem and SAAY will tell you.
            Finland is involved–the best Education System in the World—so,watch!

            10)
            Top leading Education Center – similar to 9.
            -The expatriates will be replaced by the originals very soon…it is just a matter of Policy Change
            -Do you know about the EPLF Education Program History?
            -11)Reversal of Migration –
            -Talk about Tomorrow in 2-3 yrs
            -See my disclaimer.
            -I do not expect the 60K Western Asylum seekers to return unless they get deported or denied asylum.The more than 200K Eritreans and the Sudan will come back and build Eritrea.
            Mezan:
            Think positively,read Eritrean history…check with Cousin SAAY and Mahmoud Saleh…Believe in HOPE..

          • Hope

            Oops,Dear Moderator…Sorry!Did I mess up something?Not aware of one.
            Please advise.

          • selam

            Dear mizaan
            So if you and others will not return it means you are no more eritrean but foriegn . Why are you commenting sir? I hope awate.com to be based in eritrea some day

          • Mizaan

            Dear Selam,

            It’s good to see you back because I thought you were banned again.

            Well, many Eritreans in the West are substantially better than the most well off ones in Eritrea. Financially and safety wise, most Eritreans will be better off in the west for decades to come. There are many ways to help reconstruct the PFDJ destroyed country. I don’t necessarily have to be there. Most will not go back for decades to come. Let alone immigrants like you and me, even refugees return home only at the rate of 30%. So we will be here for a while. I am sorry to be the one delivering a sad reality to you.

          • selam

            Dear mizaan

            Thanks to awate.com I am not banned, the reason is I have learned to use silk english words to slappp people on their face. By the way thanks awate.com is notyour personal webiste. I will be back to america and I will do my best to help awate.com for giving us a level playing feild and met people like you.
            Here you again you are bragging about your american or western walfare system with no pride to show on your face. Of course I am putting you with the western walfare system. Since you are better than the above 5.5 million eritreans I urge you to help them in their life by not supporting a bloody war. I will make sure my children grow up with full information and the basic truth about eritrea and I hope to live in eritrea for the forseeable future. That means telling them the bad nuts in the feild too. What I find it idiotic notion is people like you just are beating weyane drum and dancing their bloodywar monggering agenda. I have never ever read your comment telling the tigray people to stop making false claim and why is that ? Do you think your freidns are going to be disappointed? You have to have certain pride of your people .

  • Burbank

    Hello MizaanA,

    That name of yours. Ah! It brings memories and pain. Well, true, life is half comedy and half tragedy. At least mine is. Please don’t feel sorry. It is an old story.

    I never said or implied that. Would you show me what made you think I have that view. I promise you I will honestly make myself clear my self.

  • Shum

    Hello Burbank,

    I hope to read more from you. But before you go any further, are you saay’s cousin? It is customary to refer to him as Cousin, Cousin Saay or Cousin Saleh Younis if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.

    • saay7

      Ah, Shum:

      So you are a fan of the Big Lebowski. I knew there was something about you I liked.

      My favorite part of Burbank was that Abi thought that it referred to a bank (Bur Bank) and kept having all sorts of word play on banks (interest)*. I doubt if he is my cousin (although he does do the asterisk and double asterisk for postscript feeding the fertile minds of the paranoid) but I fly into Burbank Airport a lot (now, sadly, re-named Bob Hope Airport) a lot. When I first landed there, I remembered Johnny Carson’s Tonight show came “from beautiful downtown Burbank” and I made a beeline for it…the joke was one me…and, I will let Burbank tell the rest of that story:)

      saay

      * Abi.net is sneaky so maybe he knew and wanted to give that impression. You can never tell with Gondere:)

      https://youtu.be/Be7Og9Gc_KY

      • Abi

        Saay
        Kemey
        Yes you are right. I thought he was a community bank. I was about to apply for a loan . You spoiled it . You should have wait and see my application.
        I invited Mr Bank to stay while you were hibernating. You are fired . We need a better wardiya who doesn’t sleep on the keyboard.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Abishu,

          I was ready to fire Sal, too. I think I am leaning towards Burbank to replace him with… Ya’et tefah, wodaje?

          • Abi

            Eyobe
            I was busy last couple of days burying those fine people killed by Tes. I was also inaugurating a new Bank while closing my Saay account. I suggest you do the same. I like the new Bank better.

          • saay7

            Abi, Eyob:

            1. You should know that changing bank accounts may affect your credit score in the US and it violates article something sub article something of Ethiopias Anti Terrorism Proclamation (ATP) because everything does;

            2. To be an Awate moderator, one must sit and pass a rigorous test prepared by Professor Tes. Hint: what is the average air speed of a swallow? (only Amde knows the answer)*

            3. Seriously, remember how I was telling Teweldino that there is no hierarchy at awate university and it’s all based on merit and a newbie can leapfrog oldies? I think we are all making the point with Burbank. I have marked my calendar to see when he gets his first “toothless” designation by Nitricc and first re-assignment by Tes to the School of Walking Dead.

            saay
            *
            http://youtu.be/cV0tCphFMr8

          • Abi

            Saay
            Thank you . That was really funny. I laughed for a long time.
            I can’t imagine how it feels like to have coffee with you .
            I’ve a change of mind . I’ll keep my account open.
            “Kemayawqut meleAk yemiyawqut SEYTAN yishalal”

          • saay7

            Hey Abi:

            You are welcome. There will be an account re-instatement fee. You know those socially awkward comedy writers who are terrible company because, in person, they are not interesting much less amusing? Yeah.

            saay

          • Ted

            Abi haway, Eyob is a bad influence on you. don’t close your account with SAAY to MR.Bank. Mr. bank has not told you the whole truth of Eritrean people and our feeling towards you. He told you what you want to hear that-{ it is not us but our big brother who alone caused you all the suffering of your people and turning his own people to defeated zombie licking their wounds and the lady one of the 70 000 deported to screamed TPLF are inhumane was emotional and Ethiopians shouldn’t have heard it. Forgive me, i knell down to your feet begging for mercy}What Ethiopian don’t want to hear this kind of things coming from Eritrean.
            Out of all your people the Amhara are considered civilized who are the vanguard of Ethiopia for one reason of another and as proud Gondera that must be the a music you want to hear for long long long time from Eritrean. But it is not enough to change an account yet, as Tinqaqa Gondere you need to identify the truth for long time investment and its dividend. This university has many boxes(A-Z) and and labeled groupies as blood suckers, kebero junkies etc. I wait tes’s assessment as SAAy is expecting it too.

  • Eyob Medhane

    Burbank…

    1) “… My fear is I will invite a dozen of angry Eritreans like you again….”

    I am not Eritrean. I am an Ethiopian.

    2) “…In addition to this, Issias Afwerki is responsible for the conspiring, starting and leading the Badme war and please attribute any miscalculation and wrong doing to him. By this what I mean is you shouldn’t really have yelled at country-full of the Eritreans. At least not on this..”

    I seem to be remembered a lot of bravado and incessant taunting of Ethiopians, not from Isayas Afeworki, but everyday Eritreans with an almost daily beating of war drums along with their Keboros. Don’t attribute the failure now only to one man, when the adventure becomes a total and utter failure.

    3) You don’t know the Amhara people. I know like many Eritreans, you think you do. But, believe me, you don’t. Many Eritreans have almost IDENTICAL mindset of the Amhara people or the Oromo people or any other people with that of Isayas Afeworqi’s. When he invaded Ethiopia, because he thought Tigrians are hated by Amhara and the Amhara or Oromo would not fight alongside them, the thinking was just not his, but a reflection of attitude of many Eritreans towards other peoples. Not just Amharas or Oromos. every people. There is an unfortunate, but comical belief that has been inculcated in most (especially, Kebessa Eritreans) minds that they are superior and the best human beings on the face of the earth, and the tend to think that they have a right to define and analyze every ethnic group, people as they see fit. And almost 100% of the time they would be wrong.

    I wish you would get out of that mentality….

    • tes

      Dear Eyob,

      What you should get out of your mentality is about the arabization of Eritrea; If we chose to be, we will be. It is our business as far as we don’t cross your rights as people of Ethiopia. Therefore, be first a liberated Ethiopian citizen from the Arab phobia and then talk us though it will be hard.

      tes

    • Burbank

      Hello Mr Eyob,

      Again you don’t seem interested to discuss the issue. Instead, you are going to tangent points. I will be willing to address your tangent points. Yes, many Eritreans have supported the regime when Issias started the Badme war, like all Ethiopians supported the EPRDF regime. When they did, they understood the same thing the Ethiopian people did – defending their country against an aggressor. They didn’t believe Issias was an aggressor. What is wrong with that? Also it is in human survival instinct/behavior to confirm to authority. The same holds true for the need to be on the winner’s side. The German people supported Hitler for all these reasons. There is nothing unusual about Eritreans to reflect these. They love their land; they were told the same people invaded their territory one morning; they stood up. Bless their heart all those who questioned the war and opposed it with pure conscious.

      As is the case in many parts of world, a military defeat brings sobriety to the vanquished party. So the Eritrean people, sadly, found sobriety out of the defeat first before real information. The real information didn’t start flowing in until the propaganda flow in the government pipeline was reduced to a dripping rate.

      all this shouldn’t have happened but sadly it did. Now it is just a fact which requires neither defending or justifying like it had happened to many societies and nations before?

      To your other (maybe only) grievance I was able to extract: Yes, most Eritreans have a feeling of superiority towards the people of Tigrai and Amhara. It is not right but not unique to Eritreans either. Feelings, attitudes, perceptions and even prejudices have anecdotal truth at the root of their sources but are proportionally exaggerated and strongly formed by the advantaged party to keep its pride alive. The feeling that Eritrean are accused of evolved historically. Besides they were cemented due to the fact that they had some advantages over the rest of Ethiopia on some sectors of the economy due to some skills they were able to acquire. That is not their fault. They didn’t choose to be colonized either. which people in the world did?

      I also understand why Ethiopians used to be irritated. Here are reasons 1) Human nature: No one willfully accepted to be treated as inferior. 2) Hate the source of Pride: the Ethiopians felt that whatever little urbanization and skill Eritreans had and were proud of, came from a European colonizer and not organic*. Very understandable.

      Fast forward to the current state of affairs, all the residue feelings still exist. As things change regionally and internally, society MUST adopt. I have no doubt that all misconceptions will get corrected not only on the Eritrean side but also Ethiopia.

      Listen, I am happy with they way Ethiopia is currently performing. I wish it continue to do better, create a vibrant society and economy. As long as it is not trying to invade and impose itself on Eritrea, I will celebrate. That will only help Eritrea. That will only help in raising the bar on Eritreans. I don’t believe in a zero sum game and in never worked permanently anywhere.

      Now, something bothered me about your views. You sound like you believe that a certain group of people who you don’t like have to be shamed and shoved around to learn and put straight. I hope I misread you. But If I didn’t I sadly have to tell you that you are bitter and hostage of it.

      Peace and Love

      Burbank

      A couple of notes.

      1) I didn’t think you were Eritrean too just from the tone and angle of argument. The like in my statement “My fear is I will invite a dozen of angry Eritreans like you again” was to the adjective before the Eritrean (angry). I should have made that clearer. It is irrelevant but if you needed my guess you are from Tigrai. Here is what gave me the confidence to guess: You said “When he invaded Ethiopia, because he thought Tigrians are hated by Amhara and the Amhara or Oromo would not fight alongside them, the thinking was just not his, but a reflection of attitude of many Eritreans towards other peoples.” Why because this statement and the thought itself doesn’t come natural to an Amhara.

      2) I speak for myself and not any group or people. the views are totally mine.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Burbank,
        A very matured debate. I am enjoying you. Abi recognized before anyone else and she welcomed you. I joined her to stay long enough to prod the direction of our debate on substantive issues. We need few of your maturity.
        regards,
        Amanuel Hidrat

        • Rahwa T

          Dear Amanuel and Burbank,
          Yes, it is very interesting and matured indeed. Hope the discussion will keep flow. Cheers!

        • Abi

          Ato Amanuel
          WHAT ?
          Echin yiwedal ene yengus ashker ! Qebrarawn Gondere anchi tilegn? Haileselassie yimut atawqegnim.
          You have not been paying attention. No more lame jokes for you.

          • Kokhob Selam

            ምኒልክስ እምየ ተብሎ የለ ! ከናት በላይ ምን ኣለ ?Lol,

          • Abi

            Kokobachin
            You are shining more and more brighter day or night.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,
            Abie, Mi-Aderkugne? Let me tell you this: you are from the few in this forum I have been enjoying you. Your proverbial saying remind me my co-worker in the ministry of mines, who was so fun with his rich joking plays. You are always making me laugh at work and at home. Abie Nurligne enji.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Nurlign alk? Enorlhalehu! Tes kalgedelegn. Bexelotih astawsegn.
            One joke lemetareqya
            A Gondere woman met her long time friend who lost her mother.
            Gonderewa: minew Tiqur lebesh?
            Friend: enate motech
            Gonderewa: wuy, wuy enen kiltiw yargegn! Min honew motu?
            Friend: mebreq metat
            Gonderewa: abet! Abet! Abet! Endet tidenegiT ebakish ?

      • saay7

        Selamat Burbank:

        Welcome to Awate University. I have a feeling I am going to enjoy this debate, unless Eyobai runs away. Eyob is one of the franchise owners of “Fake Outrage, Inc.” He came in, did his fake outrage about things you never said…but now, baldong’u wediu and doesn’t have much. His Greatest Hits has to use two words (it is mandatory): Arab and Kebessa. Beyond that, this is not his field of expertise.

        When the Tigrayan pilot landed the Mi-35 in Eritrea, I actually read a Tigrayan in an Ethiopian website describe how the Amhara are the Guardians of Ethiopianism and this would never have happened with an Amara pilot. Simple observations like those, coming from Eritreans, are considered an attempt by Eritreans to instill hate and divisions among Ethiopians, etc. This is sad because Awate is a university and the PC Police are always offended by everything. This included the usually-sober Horizon… Abi has his ready-made excuse of “Gondere blood.” Even when you were very complimentary towards the Amara who successfully presented themselves as guardians and promoters of Ethiopianism.

        Anyway, let’s wait for Eyobai:) I will harass him now and tell him you are waiting for him. Welcome to awate where Tes and Mizaan are already studying you to place u in the right category!

        saay

        • Shum

          Ayy saay,

          You know how to ruffle feathers. I like how Eyob says “If I were to say…” as if he’s never said them. But the best part is when he mentions Arabs and manufactured blah blah. You’d think the Eritrean revolution had a bunch of foreign Arab fighters like ISIS. Oh wait, why go to ISIS. Didn’t Ethiopia use tens of thousands of foreign Cuban fighters against Somalia and thousands of Soviet and Yemeni (don’t tell Eyob Yemeni are Arabs) hired help against Eritrea and Somalia? Didn’t the liberal Haile Selasse use the British Air Force to bomb Tigray? How many Arab fighters were in the Eritrean revolution?

          Anyway, I don’t think we should cheer lead this dialogue between Burbank and Eyob. It will just devolve into some nonsense. Burbank wrote a nice piece. I’d much rather he use his time wisely.

          • Saleh Johar

            Shum, the Yemenis who were bombing us with the Deg are Arabs? You guys just manufacture stories 🙂

            If not for the fear of being accused of manufacturing it, let me tell you the official seal of king Yohannes had Geez and Arabic inscription* الملك يوحنا الرابع ملك الحبشة (King John the 4th of Habasha — those bad Arabs, they replaced Ethiopia with Habesha 🙂

            * I have the seal, an image if anyone is contemplating a challenge

          • Eyob Medhane

            Gash Saleh,

            Don’t make me bring out my Atse Tewdros seal that says Tewdros II King of Kings of Ethiopia. I did that once, and I am not afraid to do it again 🙂 Who was a king before Yohannes IV? Yeah. I know, you know that I know… 🙂

          • Rajwa T

            Dear Eyob,

            If there is one abyssinian king in the Ethiopian history SGJ hates, it is Yohannes IV comes at
            the top list. I am curious to read his justification as to why the /”Muslim killer”/ emperor included Arabic in his seal.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Rajwa T,

            Great question…

          • Saleh Johar

            Dear Eyob,
            Can you tell Rajwa T that I hate all Ethiopian kings that ever ruled, but I hate most, not Yohannes, but, The killer His Imperial Majesty Haile Sellasie The First, King Of Kings, Emperors of Ethiopia, Lion Of Judah, Shokolokobangoshsy….. On why he included Arabic inscription, I believe many Ethiopian scholars (the real ones) could provide a better answer, but I think because the bigotry against Arabic was a new phenomenon introduced by Haile Sellasie, for the most part. And also add a little information that Yohannes ruled way before the killer king that I know and have seen in person. Also say on my behalf, “The Muslim Killer” though true, was not my word but the interrogator’s. Finally, please pass a Sudanese saying to the person: alli Endu Hurgs berahu yergus. Abi can translate that to Gonderegna 🙂 If not, I will bring some teret myself to explain it.

          • Shum

            Hey Ato Saleh (I’m officially dropping Aboy)

            You need to engage more in this forum. Oh I remember that seal very well. I also remember you schooling, ahem, I mean engaging Eyob on Muhammad Gragn. I forgot to mention that in my list of foreign help as I understand they did bring in the Portuguese.

          • Saleh Johar

            Shum,
            For years we have restrained ourselves from actively participating in this forum. In different times we tried different strategies to make our presence here not intrusive–considering hosts have to be hosts. That is why I am careful in engaging others–it is not for lack on opinion or argument. Still, I will try to continue to participate in a way that doesn’t compromise the goals and fairness of this forum.

          • Nitricc

            Please use greetings per awate rules thanks lol

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Nitricc,
            .
            This is said in jest. I have to say this because all my attempt at humor falls flat on its face.
            .
            Yes Nitricc, all these African leaders think and act as if they are above the law. The rules don’t apply to them.
            .
            K.H

          • Saleh Johar

            Anta Negram, I did. It was Shum, only I didn’t leave it alone on the first line. Apologies if you thought I violated the GL. Starting with a salutation is a good idea, it cools you down. Try it. Next time, stop toothless and Dracula tooth. Start with Selam Hayat haftey, or Hawey Semere. And then destry their argument until they say, “You are right Nitric.” Isn’t that the idea of a debate? To convince or be convinced? You won’t believe how much workload you will take off the moderators’ back. I knew you would agree. Thanks Nitricc 🙂

          • Shum

            Hello SJ and Nitricc,
            Saleh, correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe the salutation guideline came about due to one of my postings asking others to use it. I could be wrong or vain (as I stare into the mirror). It wouldn’t be the first time. As for Nitricc, I’ve given him advice before, thought not well received. But you can’t make him drop the word “toothless”. It’s his signature. Other than, Nitricc and I are not on speaking terms because he punked out from replying to me or maybe I just need to inspire his wrath somehow.

          • Saleh Johar

            Sorry Shum

            It was there on the posting guidelines all along: 25.4 Use proper posting protocol: begin with a salutation and address your audience by name. Do not use abusive language.

          • Nitricc

            SJ, K-H and Shum lol, you know what; SAAY is always in my case for not addressing people I am communicating with salutations. I didn’t think much about it. I thought it was a toothless thing to do. I mean what is the point I started with “Dear so and so” and I ended up calling them toothless? Well, that was, till, not long ago, came up at work. I brief few people once a week and I always start with saying “let’s get to it” and do my things. And someone complained to my boss that I don’t acknowledge them because I start my briefing without greetings. I was just like; say what? Guess who came to my mind SAAY; I don’t know why every time he has to be right 🙂
            Shum; sorry I will dig it out and respond. I am trying many things to do and sometimes I forget to respond, sorry, my bad.

          • saay7

            Selamat Nitricc:

            Maybe that’s because you were too young for the lost art of “writing a letter for your mama”. People of my generation wrote letters for their mamas who never went to school. The letter always had 3 parts:
            1. Salutation: long and flowing. “Nab zkeberkin zAzezken….” How are you? How is so and so? How about so and so? As for me, excepting for missing you so terribly, praise be to the Lord, I am fine.
            2. Main content… Sprinkled with a gazillion proverbs (I think Abi used to write a ton of letters for his mama)
            3. 1,000 greetings to so and so. BzuH bzuH bzuH selam to so and so…etc etc for half a page. May we meet face to face, amen.

            Then your mama asks you to read it back. Because u want to maintain ur sanity, you read back only the content skipping the salutations, proverbs, and all the until-we-meet-again but u are made to read it beginning to end and u do it whining the whole time. And long after ur mama is gone it is one of your fondest memories that you can never get back.

            See what you missed? Kids these days… Here’s Suzinino doing a hilarious version of that lost art with one catch: he is asked to write it in English and…let’s just say his English is toothless…

            saay

            http://youtu.be/zf4Bu5wVY1k

          • Shum

            Hello Ato Saleh,

            I respect that and I thank you, saay and the others on the team for this service. And I know you guys don’t agree on all things, but im glad to see you’re still one after all of these years. The opposition alphabet soup could learn a lot from Awate, the man and the website.

          • Fnote Selam

            Hi Saleh,

            Please do share (on twitter too), would love to see what people think about it.

            Thank you,

            FS.

          • saay7

            Who, me?

            Eyob doesn’t dislike ALL arabs; just the Gulf Arabs. He and Abi have a warped history of our Revolution: they think some Arabs and Arabized Eritreans met in Cairo and just pushed a “play button” and our Revolution was on auto-pilot…they are unaware that our struggle started in the 1940s, right after the end of World War II, and long before the presidency was glint in Gemal Abdel Nasser’s eyes, long before Pan-Arabism was born and that, in any event, Gemal Abdel Nasser was admired not just by Arabs but progressive and Statists Africans…and that, in any event, after the ascendancy and virtual monopoly of the Eritrean field by EPLF in 1982, whatever “Arabism” lingered in Eritrea was scraped off completely. So, Eyobism reminds of the Japanese soldiers who were wondering the bushes still unaware that WWII was over.

            saay

            PS, of course, like Eyob, I am praying for the Houthis to win; but for completely different reasons. He, because he hates Saudi Arabia; me, because I opposed invasion:)

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            All I say to you is this…

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            I think you want this one:) Only good line from an otherwise horrible movie

            saay

            https://youtu.be/UPw-3e_pzqU

          • Shum

            Hello Saay,

            i’ll take it further. They don’t care about any details. It messes up with their own narratives. And we can’t have them clouding the issue with facts, can we. Reading Eyob, you’d think we just woke up one day and started going into Ethiopia and murdering and pillaging them in their own land. We fought on our land. We wouldn’t have needed to if they were not there in the first place. I like how they are so clear on how who started the Badme war but can’t wrap their head around this one fact. Nope, instead you’ve got the Amdes of the world telling us “the Eritrea project was not primarily the making of the Eritrean State, but the unmaking of the Ethiopian state”. Every historian in the world reading this would do a collective jaw drop because we all know who which state was trying to unmake another state.

            But if Eyob Marmaleta Shukor is upset about what Burbank said about Amhara, I wonder what he would say about his beloved TPLF if you were to quote him back what they thought about the Amhara from the book “identify Jilted”. Nah, don’t do it. They already have a blind spot for them even though they conducted a similar armed struggle fighting the same people we were fighting. Nah, water under the bridge.

          • saay7

            Selamat Shum:

            To paraphrase Cousin Hope (i am not paraphrasing; i am just predicting this is what he would say if he was here): you gave us the quote of the month; which means you are now obligated to expound on it the WHOLE MONTH: “We fought for our land. We wouldn’t have need to if they were not there in the first place. I like how they are so clear on how who started the Badme war but can’t wrap their head around this one fact.”

            It is interesting to me that those who want us to accept our diminished banana republic state always begin with a demand, nay, an order, nay, an evidence that we are human beings that we accept (a) we started the war in Badme and (b) we, alone, are entirely to blame for everything that has happened since May 12, 1998. ALL OF IT, unconditionally.

            Now, you kids may not remember that THAT was THE demand of Ethiopia in 1999. Because with that acceptance comes everything else: an Eritrean without an army, an Eritrea without history, an Eritrea bowed and apologizing for everything, no just for May 12, 1998 but for September 1, 1961.

            Embi. Eich.

            saay

          • abrham

            Hi Sal

            Unlike Ethiopia, Eritrea never had anyone fighting its wars: except your second favorite gorilla fighters. Damn from where do they hail?

          • saay7

            Selamat abrham:

            Nice! But. There were 17,000 Cuban combatants, led by a Cuban colonel, imbedded with Ethiopians in the Ogaden War of 1977-78. By all measures, Ethiopias defeat of Somalia is entirely attributable to them.

            The Cubans refused to move up North (they considered the Ethiopia-Eritrea war a civil war) but their presence in Ethiopia freed up ethiopian soldiers to move up north and wage a counteroffensive forcing the Eritrean revolutionaries to retreat from over 90% of land they had liberated.

            Now, how exactly does that compare (17,000 combatant Cubans, 2000 killed while by the way Mengistu was denying it to the dismay of the Cubans) compare with Harbeyna Weyanai help which was reciprocated?

            saay

          • abrham

            Dear Sal,

            I am not comparing and you were not too until your last comment. you give us a list of countries that gave their hands to Ethiopia even at war times. No need to deny here but my purpose was to remind you that at least the involvement of Harbegna Weyanai not just in the hinterland of Sahel but also defending all werarat not to spill into territories of EPLF. I do not how many but many killed along side Eritreans. You can say it is too little to mention and I may say as Abi could say ‘Tilik gan beteter yidegefal’ but sorry SAAY I do not take it so, because I know how many of them had been there for more than a year. Finally more than the Cuban or whoever you listed, the support from the peoples’ power is more powerful to destroy a horrific government like HS or Menge.

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Abraham,
            Tsadqan has told us they stayed there for three years. Shaebia wanted them to stay there more. Unfortunately, the “host” are telling us told us they were having a training how to shot at enemies.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Rahwa or is it Rajuwa, you are all messed up like your leaders. they all have fake education. and your Tsadqan is no different. he is only deferent because he the most lier among your disgraced leaders. for your information; Derg’s military forces; 95% of the were stationed and fought EPLF. so take easy on your sorry zzz TPLF. get this to your head; EPLF is the most organized lean fighting body ever existed. deal with it. don’t forget EPLF set you to 4-killo.

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Teacher,
            What else can you tell me? If you are educated and know your history well, write a bit more of the stories you are told. I will return back to you later when you bring a post with substance.

          • abrham

            Selam Rahwa,

            I have heard this issue for the first time from EPLF fighters in 1981 E.C. or so stationed in our neighborhood after they met a TPLF fighter who knows every thing about Sahel. and its true out of the total, half of TPLF fighters were there for years but they should make it back to their territory. As a result EPLF leadership were not comfortable, tried their best to hold them there for some extra time as it will need additional forces. BTW, After the TPLF left the area another werar from dergi was instigated and Barentu was on the hands of EPLF. Derg tried 11 times to capture the town but couldn’t. Then Demtsi Hafash broadcasts like ”kab badme wetsana malet…”. that is “Barantu dergi kihza malet birki edka miseAm malet eyu”.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Saay,

            “Ethiopias defeat of Somalia is entirely attributable to them.” Entirely ha? Are you sure you want to stand by that statement when it comes to Ethiopians defending themselves from from foreign invasions ?

            Thanks.

        • tes

          Dear saay7,

          It is indeed a refreshing to have Burbank around. He fits perfectly to the school of Fine thought though I am afraid he is around only as a volunteer.

          Awate University did a great and commendable job to remove her dead fellows. The Fine School of thought was in real shortage of human resources. Tes was almost approaching to the school but Mizaan dumped him to the school of Chauvinists only because of his personal interest and this created a vacuum leaving Saleh Joharat the forefront as an orphaned senior director. Thanks now, at least Burbank is spending indefinite time around.

          tes

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear tes,
            After you kill heroes, just within short time another hero is here. for now you will appreciate him and say wonderful words about him as you have done is earlier . and the struggle goes on till he will be killed by you and your group. you breath and …but you ethics is gone and and slowly you finish your journey of dream land. then no group remain and the dead wakes up. that is what happened to the ex-EPLF leadership. they kill a lot of people and the killers were killed by their own bosses and their bosses are in death raw but the heroes reincarnate. Eritrea and her sister Ethiopia wll became heavens forever.we are proud Habesha people we are not Italians we are not Arabs. Nationalism gets it’s meaning we have 2 wonderful Habesha countries like those Arabs with different nations.

            what IA and his friends are asking is “we killed people years back but the more we kill the more they born, why is that? “he don’t know the answer because he thought killing people is killing the Idea. so tes HABIBI, why you have to do so when you can live in peace with people (not your narrow group).

          • tes

            Dear Kokhob Selam,

            Are you still alive? Abi didn’t finish his job then though he did a good job ( Now he is back as I noticeed in his converse with Eyob.).

            Back to business:

            Dear Kokhobay, your ambivalence of Habeshanism has kicked you from the main stream of Fine School of Thought. Even now your cry is loud when you label these two countries as wonderful Habesha countries. One thing that you are forgetting, there are people within the terriroy of these two countries who don’t claim as Habesha. If it is then non-inclusive, if you are leaving aside some people who don’t belong to habesh and still you talk about two big countries, who is going to buy your line of thinking? I tried my best by asking you and to clarify your stance. You said, “I am Habesha more than Eritrean”. AkbichKa!!! Ok, I have no querrel in your stance, I do respect your ideals but you can not be member of the fine school of thought.

            And, you don’t belong to the school of opportunists though there are some traces that can put you as a visitor of that school. The School of Chauvinists is not your place. And you are not Abyssinian fundamenalists. In fact, I didn’t declare your death but Semere Andom brought you alive and demanded for your final departure. I tried to save you so many times. I didn’t leave you behind. All I tried was to be with me but your light injury was infected by the war thirsty fundamenalists and YG school of though like Semere Andom and I left you thinking Amanuel will pick you and send you to the founder of the Fine School of Thought. During such here and there and constant call as well as the intense war that I was engaged in, I lost you. Semere Andom didn’t help at all.

            Amanuel Hidrat, he did a self-suicide after coming with his Never Land politics. I never expected it to happen. It is a big loss. Saleh Johar lost a great comrade. Though SJ and AH had some sort of grudges, they were ok in most cases. Unfortunately, SJ lost him and AH is now an official martyr of Awate Battle ground, the battle of ideas.

            Semere Andom was lost after a cannon was fired to Hayat Adem. The cannon was of hydrogen bomb in nature. He was around and got fired.

            Mizaan, who was invited by AH, was on his way to leave the Opportunists School of Thought before he finally got the news on AH departure. He was so angry with Tes and as a revenge, he dumped him to the School of Chauvinism. Tes is considered now as an official and registered Awate University Terrorist after AOsman charged him with a non-existing Rule of Law. I think AT are considering their guidelines to ban him as an official terrorist.

            tes is terrible. Abi and now Eyob are scared of him. You can read their escaping lines strategy.

            The good thing is, there is a possibility of resurrection. If AH abandons his Never Land, I think there is of high probablity to come back to his right place. Yours, it will be hard for you, stay with your habeshanism. I am so sorry with Hayat Adem, she has reached to a state where she will no more resuscitate. Semere Andom is toxicated now heavily and no one will stayed around or go and pick him from his grave. I didn’t know how Abi managed during the burial process.

            Finally, brother KS, it is not me and I am not responsible for what happened to all of you. I was only attacking the School of Abyssinian Fundamentalists, in a spontaneous reaction I did during the destruction process. And no regret for that. The horn of Africa should be free from war mongering Schools.

            tes

          • tes

            Additional point,

            If you notice my lines, The Fine School of Thought door is alwas open. Anyone can enter. It is not like Institute of PFDJ Mindset Multiplication Center (I-PFDJ-MMC) and his qualification will be tested. Burbank us of no exception.

            Hence, as Eritreans, people with ideals are millions. And all the schools created by now ok to welcome them.

            Even Mizaan has divided the Institute of I-PFDJ-MMC into 4 faculties (please refer his recent update).

            Thanks to God, all the schools, except of the PFDJ are more democratic and they welcome people according to their reflections.

      • Eyob Medhane

        Burbank,

        May offer a little advice? Believe me. You are going to want to take it. Don’t listen to Sal. He was just stirring trouble and he enjoys watching me fighting and bloodied. Let you and I be friends against him.. 🙂

        1) I actually liked your sober and reflective argument. But I disagree with you with the way Eritreans supported Isayas invasion was for simply for a patriotic reason or naively believing what he propagated to them about the war. I do believe as many if my countrymen it was for a reason that was much more. It was for many Eritreans to exact a revenge against people that they thought should not amount to dare to question them. It was I suspect for a vindictiveness that has emanated from “how dare they” snub. Please be free to disagree with me, but that is what I believe and I know that it is what many of my country men believe. As an example I have always Gebrtinsae Tedla’s statement ready, when he arrogantly declared that he taught us how to eat with fork and knife, bragging about a skill that you said that he learned and brought to Ethiopia through no fault of his own, yet using it to belittle Ethiopians.

        2) You don’t have to worry about any power that matters in Ethiopia, would want Eritrea back anymore. No one in the right mind want to bring back people, who would hate them that much and bring a thirty years of war on themselves again. Ethiopians insisted to Eritreans with them before, because they never thought that the hate and resentment that many Eritreans had runs that deep. Many in Ethiopia believed that it was only few, who had that kind of feeling. May be, TPLF and Tigreans were the only ones, who knew the truth, because of the language and culture similarity with Eritreans what Eritreans exactly feel about Ethiopians. Hence, their support for the separation, at the cost of heavy price of political capital. But now, almost everyone, except few aged academicians learned what TPLF and the people of Tigray knew all along.

        3) Had you read my previous posts, you would have known that I do not hate the Kebesa, in fact Sal can be my witness to that, because he says to me that I have a bleeding heart for the Kebesa. I do believe that This particular section of Eritreans, who paid the ultimate price (more than any other Eritrean society) paid for its independence, yet they are victimized by it. Again, because you are a new comer, I will repeat one of my arguments one more time. Out of over three hundred young Eritreans, who perished in Lampedusa, 98% of them are the Kebesa. Go through their names and find out for yourself. And yet, the most vocal hate propagandists against their southern kin are the Kebesa. So you are wrong. I do not resent them.

        4) Again, please ease up from your stereotypical view. You are absolutely wrong. I am not from Tigray and I don’t speak Tigrigna. Don’t be fooled, because I used the word Kebesa. Just because I know certain terminologies, don’t let your guess to run wild.

        5) And lastly, you know how I know you don’t know Amhara, and I can justify my claim that many Eritreans and you included arrogantly speak about any people in a manner that is so loose and careless? You just proclaimed to know about what comes naturally to the mind of Amharas and what doesn’t. The Amhara people are complex with so many different culture and complicated layers, that is numbered over thirty million. You just dismissed all of that and presumed to know what comes to minds of thirty million Amharas naturally. That is wrong.

        I am glad you speak only for yourself and so am I…

        • Burbank

          Selam Eyob,

          First thing is first: Advice is well taken. I love how you interact with the Awate team. Very encouraging indeed. Right on! We shall work on the Arab stuff later. Cling to it until then. Not a problem.

          Now to your challenges. First let us have a Framework Agreement. Believe me there is no trap engaged.

          Here it is: 1) This is not a debate where one of us have to win and the other lose. It should be where we both evolve or one of us drag the other out of the mud at the minimum 2) None of us can speak or apologize on behalf of any group or people of a section of/or a nation. We simply luck mandate and that is the simple reason.We, however, can personally do it for our conscious. In the even this happens, it shall not be interpreted ase admission of quilt on behalf on anyone either. It is solely personal 3) None of us should use anecdotes as universally accepted generalization applicable to the certain group or population but we can use them to bolster points 4) None of us should deliberately omit naked unpopular facts in the interest of keeping the tone of the exchange civil nor present opinion as facts to stay relevant in the debate. 5) We both understand and recognize that magnanimity is strength and winning. 6) We commit ourselves to be as honest as we can be recognizing that honesty, like a virtue, is its own reward.

          Hoping you will agree, Here I go point by point.

          1) I actually liked your sober and reflective argument. But I disagree with you with the way Eritreans supported Issias invasion was for simply for a patriotic reason or naively believing what he propagated to them about the war. I do believe as many if my countrymen it was for a reason that was much more. It was for many Eritreans to exact a revenge against people that they thought should not amount to dare to question them. It was I suspect for a vindictiveness that
          has emanated from “how dare they” snub. Please be free to disagree with me, but that is what I believe and I know that it is what many of my country men believe. As an example I have always Gebrtinsae Tedla’s statement ready, when he arrogantly declared that he taught us how to eat with fork and knife, bragging about a skill that you said that he learned and brought to Ethiopia through no fault of his own, yet using it to belittle Ethiopians.

          Thank you and the pleasure is mutual. It is really, no matter we end up. Believe me in my view the Eritrean people have so many misconceptions and sins but revenge is not one of them. Take this reason and check them. 1) It is almost (in case there are some pockets of cases I don’t know about) non-existent in their culture. You can go to the lowland or highland. None! 2) Eritreans are
          people like all the remaining 9 billion in the world. Have the same dream and aspiration. Work, take of family, prosper, raise better/successful kids, help them have their own family and retire gracefully. For such people, any people for that matter, how is it possible that they entertain and wish a war breaks out so as to revenge? Revenge for what? Do the Ethiopian people contemplating to revenge against Egypt, Syria or the Italians.

          However, you have a point in bringing this up. What you wanted to say but cut it short is that the EPLF leadership was mad at the TPLF leadership who started to show strong stand in preventing the former to have a free reign inside Ethiopia. I absolutely agree. I strongly believe that the EPLF have misunderstood and abused the good will of the TPLF to keep the EPLF and Eritreans close.
          Later on when the war started, the EPLF had this issue as talking and rally point. I remember the Hasidomna campaign and the people, bless their baby-like heart, have believed it. That is one of
          the issues that really embarrasses me. I am totally embarrassed. And there is more that embarrassed me. With the first wave of deportees that arrived in Asmara, there was a lady who became a victim of the deportation process. As emotion was understandably running high, she told reporters who run into her while they were scavenging the displaced crowed, that she will tell her kids to pass to her grand-kids how disgusting and treacherous the Tigrean people are.
          Hoping she is calm and settled now, I never blame her even though I wish she had overcome her emotions and didn’t say it. But who am I to judge? But here is what is embarrassing about it. The national media took the sound bite verbatim and made it a punch line for the propaganda war immediately. People are like babies because they don’t sit and dig information and fact check. Neither can they resist to react to emotional dump. In an ideal world, it is governments which need to be responsible and ours failed from the get to go.We were defeated right after the first battle where the Eritrean Defense Forces made the charged and carried out the first surprise offense. No matter what the other facts may be, I am personally so embarrassed to this day. Angry as well. So I don’t contest what Gebrtinsae Tedla’s. It wouldn’t surprise me either.

          So my friend, I cannot apologize because we put that in the Framework Agreement for obvious reason – I don’t have a mandate. But if my apology helps, I virtually kneel down and truly beg you and all the Ethiopian people affected and offended by this to forgive these people – the Eritrean people – who have been subjected to so much misery, hassle and abuse thereby made to make such an embarrassing mistake. Together with the people, I was there so cannot make myself free but accept I have sinned as well so I apologize.

          I will continue to your other point when my tears dry up, my friend! For now have a good night!

          Peace and Love

          Burbank

          • Eyob Medhane

            Burbank,

            I would like to start with your last point..

            You have NO obligation. None what so ever to apologize on anyone’s behalf. I have no authority, none what so ever to take apology on anyone’s behalf. We are two persons, who share same heritage, same culture, same language, who, unfortunately became victims of colonialism, geopolitics, Cold War politics induced conflict and found ourselves in different sides of the borders. No matter what we have gone through what binds us together, our language, our heritage our culture, our injera 🙂 ALWAYS binds us together. Even if, we don’t want to. Having said that, it would be unnecessary to regurgitate about Gebretinsae Tedla or the foolish angry lady on TV, and beat the point to death. I want to show you the children she said, she would teach hate ended up at the end of this comment. You will realize that she has completely failed.. 🙂

            About Eritreans not liking revenge, I will take for it, with a bit of grain of salt.. 🙂 Come on brother, we are Habeshas. We do like keeping scores. As far as I know, most people on my side of the. Mereb, do keep scores. In my childhood, I grew up among the Oromo people, I can tell you for sure that they, don’t keep score. They always leave it to waqa (God).

            About your list of rules, all accepted. In fact, I demand those rules to be incorporated into awate.com rules. (Oh, what’s the use? Sal is going to break them anyway, with one of his angry rants. Just watch wait and watch.. 🙂 )

            Now to the might be the angry lady on TV’s children… May be one of these young people are one of hers 🙂 it seems they did not take her advice well. I hope she won’t pull out the whip on them.. 🙂
            diretube.com/mobile/amazing-dance/ethiopia-eritrea-students-at-ohio-state-university-fikir-yashenefal-video_23bbd3327.html

          • Saleh Johar

            Eyob,

            Sorry, but this is one of those ugly clips that are not original. What happened to the natural dance, just like hey do it in the country? I have an aversion to traditional songs and dances being choreographed like a military marching band. That and the saxophone should be banned by youtube.

          • tes

            Dear Eyob,

            The missing dimension of your mentality

            To be more sure, since the 15th C, with the arrival of the Ottoman Empire in the land of today’s Eritrea, the fortification of Keren, and the establishment Ottoman port city in Massawa, Eritreans evolved to a degree that hascreated a completely different way of thinking from the Abyssinian controlled Ethiopian people.

            Hold on, don’t rush into saying, Eritrea came into existence only after the Italians. The arrival of Ottoman empire lead by Turkey and the Portugese attendance in the soil of Abyssinia is the most important bench marks in the creation of Eritrean mindset. WIthin this evolution, the Kings of Mereb centered in Dibarwa were the masters during that process. It has never been of an Arabization but a perfect mutual and advanced dimplomatic and interest based relationship that created such incidences.

            if that is so, Eritreanization process has started 5 centuries back and became a defined with its own territory since the 19th. It has reached its peak evolutionary period in the 1950s and was realized formally in 1991. Now we have pure Eritreanism.

            Then, how are you trying to pull us back to the ancient abyssinian period of the 15thC and say, “We are two persons, who share same heritage, same culture, same language, who, unfortunately became victims of colonialism, geopolitics, Cold War politics induced conflict and found ourselves in different sides of the borders.” Are you trying to pull us back from evolving?

            Whether you like it or not, we are two people with well defined mindset. The two minds understand each other not because they are of the same culture but like any human being, we as people are of the same origin and it is natural two human minds to share some common traits.

            tes

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            You better have your priest on speed dial to deliver the last rites. Nurse Ratched has taken your vital signs and she can’t detect life. I think you are about to join the dearly departed. You can choose your soundtrack; I recommend Prince’s “let’s go crazy” because it begins with “we are gathered here…”

            saay

          • saay7

            Eyobai:

            You better have your priest on speed dial to deliver the last rites. Nurse Ratched has taken your vital signs and she can’t detect life. I think you are about to join the dearly departed. You can choose your soundtrack; I recommend Prince’s “let’s go crazy” because it begins with “we are gathered here…”

            saay

          • Eyob Medhane

            Tes…

            Sorry, but that’s a lot of hot air, and I am fanning myself…

          • tes

            Dear Eyob,

            Then keep your lines free of gaseous particles that can be easily ignited. I hope you are aware of the kinteic theory.

            tes

          • Guest

            Thanks Eyob for making me laugh suddenly. Appropriate answer.

          • henok abraham

            WAW dear Tes

            I have tried to hold myself and continue to entertain the sober conversations in this thread, but i couldn’t i couldnt let it go . you said quote “To be more sure, since the 15th C, with the arrival of the Ottoman Empire in the land of today’s Eritrea, the fortification of Keren, and the establishment Ottoman port city in Massawa, Eritreans evolved to a degree that hascreated a completely different way of thinking from the Abyssinian controlled Ethiopian people.” now that is very provocative statement and crucially enough to propose argumentative research …anyways if you have ever come across by any chance to read the presentation of the Sheik Ibrahim Sultan’s paper at the UN headquarters during 1950s i guess … he said this “ኤርትራን ኢትዮጵያን ወላ ንሓንቲ ግዜ ትኹን ብሓደ ሓቢረን ኣይፈልጣን እየን፣ ነገስታት ኢትዮጵያ ናብ ኤርትራን ረጊጾም ኣይፈልጡን እዮም፤ ክልትኦም ህዝብታት ናይ ቋንቋ ኮነ ባህሊ፤ ናይ ታሪኽ ኮነ ሃይማኖት፤ ዝኾነ ዓይነት ርክብ ዘይብሎም እዮም። ብዘመን ጥንታዊውያን ኣባሲዳውያን (LES ABASIDES)፣ ኤርትራ ሓንቲ ካብተን ብኸሊፋ ባቕዳድ ዝመሓደራ ዝነበራ ሃገራት ዓረብ እያ ነይራ። … ዘመን ኣባሲዳውያን ኣብቅዑ ስልጣን ኸሊፋ ምስ ተበታተነ ከኣ በብሃገሩ ናይ ኣሚራት [እስላማዊ መሳፍንቲ] ስልጣን ተመስረተ። … ካብ ግዝኣት ኤርትራ ቀዳማይ ክፋል ብሓደ ኣሚር ተታሒዙ ክጸንሕ ከሎ፤ ካልእ ክፍሊ ከኣ ብሓደ ናይ ኤርትራ ተወላዲ ዝኾነ እስላማዊ መራሒ ይመሓደር ነበረ።

            …ንፖርቱጋላውያን ስዒቦም፤ ቱርካውያን ኣብ ኤርትራ መጺኦም ስልጣኖም ድሕሪ ምዝርጋሖም፤ ሃገርና ክሳብ ብባዕዳዊት ገዛኢት ጥልያን ዝተታሕዘትሉ እዋን (ማለት ክሳብ 1885 ዓ.ም) ብካድቫት ግብጺ ክትመሓደር ጸኒሓ። … መንግስቲ ጥልያን ንኤርትራ ከም ግዝኣቱ ዝወሰዳ ካብ ኢድ ግብጻውያን እምበር ካብ ኢትዮጵያ ዘይምዃኑ ብታሪኽ ዝተራጋገጸ እዩ። … ባሕሪ ነጋሲ ዝተባህለ ናይ ኤርትራ ኣመሓዳሪ ተኣዛዝነቱ፣ ኣቕድም ኣቢሉ ንቱርካውያን፣ ቀጺሉ ከኣ ንግብጻውያን እምበር ንመንግስታት ኢትዮጵያ ኣይምልከትን። … ስለዚ ባዕዳዊት ገዛኢት ጥልያን ንእነመሓድሮ ሃገር ወሲዶምልና ኢሎም ክማጐቱን ክካራኸሩን ዝግብኦም ግብጻውያን እምበር፤ ኢትዮጵያውያን ዘይምዃኖም ክፍለጥ ኣለዎ።

            ናይ ከበሳ ክፋል ግዝኣት ኤርትራ፤ ክርሪስትያን ዝነብርዎን ብባህልን ቋንቋን፣ ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ይመሳሰሉ እዮም ዝበሃል ፍጹም ሓሶት እዩ። ተቐማጦ ሰራየን ሓማሴንን፤ ከም ተቐማጦ ምጽዋዕ ኩሎም ኣስላም እዮም። ኣብ መንጎኦም እኳ ውሕዳት ክሪስትያን ዝነብሩ እንተኾኑ፤ ካብቲ ጠቕላላ ተቐማጢ ህዝቢ 10% ዝኾኑ እዮም።” I think you have similar tonality Sheik Ibrahim Sultans argument? Do you really support this historical speech i mean do you really buy it. Sorry if i let you our of the context ..it was just curiosity

            henok

          • tes

            Dear Henok abraham,

            I support fully yes based on objective reasoning. Sheik Ibrahim Sultan did a superbe argument and his words are the pillars of today’s Eritrea.

            Dear Henok abraham, if you go to Keren, you will see why Sheik Ibrahim was so strong with his arguments. Turkish history and its influence is there alive. Sheik Ibrahim being from that city, clearly knows his history and he did it. It was very objective.

            As for me, I have also a dialectical narration to reach into the same conclusion.

            As per the research, I do agree, we need to go back to our history and investigate on how our mentality evolved with the mentioned span of time.

            One thing to put though, I am deeply toughed for triggering you to such historical anecdotes. Thank you for bringing my icon in our historical discourses.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            I was reading this Burbank and Eyob exchange and their Framework Agreement with interest. I wanted to finish their posts before I turned to read the other supplemental. Yours was one of them. I thought maybe you were introducing some kind of amendment or such.
            .
            Look, there are times when you and me need to be patient to understand the topic they are discussing before we jump in with all our fours. We don’t get paid by the volume of posts or words we shovel in. Come on.
            .
            You and me can go at it about Ethiopia’s 3000 years of experience and your 5 centuries (500 years) of Eritreanization process (BTW why only 500 years, what was going on before that) at another time and place.
            .
            K.H

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            My knowledge could be limited but I know who I am and what my history is. I am not here to be lectured by Arab phobiatic people and who mix nationality with culture.

            tes

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Kim H.

            Tesfabirhan selectively reads references that associate his people with Turkey, Egypt and Italy and ignores other references, and trash anything Ethiopia to the recycle bin. A year ago for him “life began in 1890”. This year he has stretched it back to 500 yrs. Last year I forward to him a link for the history of “Hazega – xe’Azega “ but never seem
            to read it. I doubt if people of Mereb Milash had a system different from its southern neighbors. I believe they have shared similar feudal system. That is why their rulers had same as the titles we had in feudal Ethiopia. In my opinion, the many grazmachs, Qegnazmachs, dejazmachs, Raesi (Ras), that we read from Eritrea history goes as many hundred yrs and their leaders were loyal to the kings in Ethiopia. According to his recent post everything starts at Dibaruwa. But I am not sure how he could defend the claim that the first Bahre-negasi hails from the area of Adiabo in western Tigray. Let him enjoy his history. There is nothing we gain or lose whether he and his types accept (or not) the history we shared.

          • tes

            Dear Rahwa T.,

            Take note. I am originally from Agow, Blin people and hence I know my history.

            Don’t misinterpret what I said.

            I am talking here about evolution and what happened for tha last 500+ years. And yet, if you read my narrations, 1890 is a date that has marked an identity with marked territorial.

            From 1890 onwards, what happened is because of selfish and war mongering Abyssinian tendency and glorified the Eritreanization process.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Rahwa T.
            .
            He is desperately trying to get away from himself. I think Y.G can use our tes as an illustration for a long article. He wants to emphasize and highlight what our differences are as opposed to the similarities of the people. I don’t know where he lives, but I wonder what his inner feelings are when every foreigner asks him if he is from Ethiopia. When he says NO. They tell him he looks like an Ethiopian. That is when he goes NEWTONIAN in private.

          • tes

            Dear Kim Hanna,

            Yes most of the people that I meet have no knowledge about my country. And I have to refer Ethiopia so that the geography can be clear.

            By the way, did you forget that for the last 70 years Ethiopia did its best strategy to erase us from the world map? Thanks to the wicked and blood thirsty Hailessilassie, he did all he can in magnifying Ethiopia throughout the world. In addition, Hailessilassie was able to speak French and you can imagine how big influence he has left behind in the minds of the French people? (I am mentioning France, because it is the place where I am living now.)

            Concerning the history, I have a strong argumentation if you are ready to deal with me.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            Oh tes, What can I tell you? Your old buddy selam said something that is going to shake you up.
            .
            About history, recent history that is, I wonder if you can read Amharic. If you do, I really would like you to read the book entitled: YEritrea Guday, by Zewde Reta. He was close enough to all the actors of the time to put it in his book. I am sure you will find bias in it but most of it is presented in a journalistic way of what happened at the U.N, Federation, and report of letters and telegrams of participants. That will be a good beginning for us to start.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Hi kim I am asking you both rahwa and you so take that thanks as full of cup given at open heart on celebration day. I hope we have settled the dust if not take my apology

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            Yes we are fine. I hope I don’t get your silky language with MiT MiTa in it in the future. About your question earlier, I hope you will read it even if you don’t like the author. The title of his article was something about ..Circular Journey. Author of the article, Yosief Gebrehiywot, at Asmarino.com, I forgot how he spelled his name.
            .
            When you said if the last king of Ethiopia, came back from the dead you would vote for him, at least for education passion of his, I thought of the article. People of your great, great, great great grandparents generation voted for him too. (at least they supported him, there is no voting for kings)
            .
            That, my little sister, completes the circle in my book.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Dear rahwa.

            Doo you think hailesilise was far intelligent than his time. i have finished one video about African personalities and it was about him. i feel like he was far better than dergi , meles , and our mad man IA. Do not go back and insult me by using my past knowledge word. i am just filling the gap from my time of birth back to this king. His idea about education is by far progressive and by far the best in the region. save me if some one from the forum insult me because they find me erratic. i can vote for him if he come back to life and ask union.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam selam,
            .
            Oh! selam. What did you do? You just pinched so many people at this forum real hard. I am not going to stand close to you.
            .
            I want you to know something. I will vote for you, BUT almost everybody else is going to get angry with you. That is all I am going to say.
            .
            K.H

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa

            I am just asking about hailesilasie , you know what ever his crime is nothing to the big picture of his love and commitment for education even if it was only for the elite once. I am not asking you to guard me from my known haters in this forum. I have changed on my writing to some insults. You know i can use sweet words to slap once face with out putting too much mit mita. what i want you is just upgrade my knowledge about this king. that is all nothing more nothing less. It is quite bad if i only read the archives who are stored in Asmara public library that will not help me at all.
            by the way thanks for voting even once that is the way to do it.

          • Amde

            Hi Selam

            Can I ask what video that is? I am interested id you dont mind. Hailesellasie was the minister of education for many years. And his role in expanding education is legend. The tragedy of his life is that he was undone by the very success of his educational effort. He educated a generation that finally blamed him for everything and ignited a fire that burned him away.

            Amde

          • selam

            Dear amde.
            bribe me with rahwa vote, then I will happly provide the link , for now I will not allow you to use my niddle. Let her have her say on hailesilasie firs. You know I will drop the link type faces of africa as mine is not running it is by CCTV AFRICA. IF you want mine It is not allowing me . If you are trying to use it against me just forget it. I already said enough.

          • Amde

            Hi Selam

            You made me laugh. I am not really following all your conversations, so I was completely mystified with ur response. What made me laugh was when you suggested I might use it against you. I cannot imagine how I would. I am openly appreciative of HaileSellasie, so I wont attack you for saying something positive about him. I commend you on finding something positive to say about a historical character at a forum where he is far from loved (an understatement).

            Whether sister Rahwa votes for you or not, here is an upvote from me.

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello again Brother Amde,
            I sympathize about HaileSellasie’s ending a great deal too, and I recognize all his contributions. I think the Marxist Leninist tendencies of the times clouded our judgment not to have given him his do credit in time. I can’t say more; SGJ is watching.
            Selam.

          • Saleh Johar

            Oh Yeah Fanti Ghana,
            We haven’t given him his dues. He needs to be exhumed and stand trial in all the villages that he razed to the ground. Indeed, we haven’t given him his dues. In fact he owes us so much “dues.” 🙂

          • Amde

            Hi Fanti

            The SGJ is watching line killed me. That was funny.

            I heard that Haile Sellasie hated Maichew and Raya because Rayans attacked him as he was retreating after being defeated by the Italians at Maichew. I understand why he would take away Rayan lands in retribution after he came back, probably causing the first Weyane to happen. What I have never heard anyone explain to me is why the Rayans attacked him, especially after he had just witnessed his army decimated by poison gas. Do you know anything about it?

            Amde

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello bitsay Amde,

            Did you see how fast SGJ interrupted Solat (prayer) to chase me off as soon as he saw the word Haile s..?

            (Ethiopian troops did horrible things in law land Eritrea in the 70s. I am a witness of some of that and an indirect witness of a lot more).

            Aha! you heard about that. The “Raya no government” I touched earlier has something to do with that case too, but Raya and Hailesellasie never saw eye to eye ever since the Maichew retreat. You can’t make a graver mistake than retreating from any war in Raya. However, many people have their version of that episode, but the truth is a combination of the following three:

            1. Upset of the retreat order (roughly 75% reason)

            2. Someone told the locals these were Werebabo (long story, but we raided and counter raided cattle with Werebabo for generations)

            3. Someone spread a rumor that they were coming to attack us (someone’s idea of getting at them for retreating)

            Although I have read some opposition elements twisting this fact and trying to create division among Ethiopians, specifically targeted on isolating Tigreans, the real truth is a combination of the above.

            Side note:
            The feeble that Derg was, just because they heard Raya generally were formidable warriors they made a mockery of a human life by sending starving farmers from around Alemata area to a modern warfare in Eritrea to do his dirty work and most of them were killed or captured.

          • Amde

            Hello brother Fanti,

            Excellent. This is the kind of historical detail one never sees.

            There is something sad and funny about fighters of a national army being mistaken for cattle rustlers from a competing clan. I thought Werebabo was in Wollo. Isn’t that rather far for cattle raiding and counter raiding? Apparently not. It is interesting – Werrebabo is another Oromo clan name.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Hello Amde,

            Most of the retreating fighters may have been militia’s without a uniform, but even if there were uniformed once with them it probably wouldn’t have made any difference. The main reason was the retreating part. Werrebabo probably just played a small part.

            Distance:
            On the South East for us and North East for them (bordering Afar region now) it is amazingly shorter (quicker) than it may look on a map. Interestingly you won’t believe how quick you can get to Harar through that corridor. I once went South East of our town with my father for some trading with the Afars, and after what seemed like an all night walk, I found myself in what looked like a no man’s land with the sun literally coming out of the ground. On the way back and before I knew it, we were somewhere near Zebul which I recognized, right away with a smile. So, yeah it sounds very far, but it is very quick for those who know which way to go.

            Selam.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Fanti Ghana,

            Good argument. You have always here to grace us with something untold history. Thank you.

          • Abi

            Selam (2)
            Tes will kill you, Ato saleh will bury you for this statement. I’m outa here.
            MeEmenan Tig yazu !!!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Selam Haftey,
            I instinctively wanted to agree with you here, but I can’t disappoint Memhir SGJ twice in one week, so i am taking Abi’s advice below and run.

          • Nero

            Dear Tes,

            Forgive Eyob that he has not learned that after years of learning from Awate University, he still says we share the same culture… same history…. We, Ethiopians make that mistake. I know we are used to saying ‘we’ and I had to learn not to be generous with that word. Although, I know of the deep feelings Eyob has for the Eritrean people especially the Kebesa youth, he has, I am sorry to say, made the mistake that the easily recognisable facial traits that you see between Eritreans and Ethiopians also go skin deep.

            AS you have said, you are on an evolutionary path and he seems to be not so much aware of that. Some people evolve you see, through interaction with other more civilised people or through conquest, but others how do I put it…., remain timeless?. I mean surely, what is the value of history, if you don’t have technologically advanced tools to show for it than even the Turks, who were but marauding tribes a mere 700 years ago.

            You see, even after years of Awate University, some of my fellow Ethiopians fail to recognise these evolutionary change that some Eritreans are experiencing. When I hear this from the lips of Eritreans, as during a CNN street interview in Eritrea in 1998, (yes when people in the street used to talk to foreigners with cameras and mics), I take note and learn. You must well be aware that some of our leaders, who were “super achievers”, went to study in Asmara University. An affable Eritrean guy educated me, when he said, “some people in top leadership in Ethiopia like the Foreign Minister were educated in the higher institutions of learning of Eritrea, and thus would be more responsive to resolve the current stalemate”. It is such a beautifully constructed fallacy, as fallacies go, but also is something only you could learn by attending places like Awate University.

            On evolutions- i learned not so long ago that there is a type of cave fish, has evolved so much that it has no eyesight and is hard of hearing. It has well developed vibration sensors that enables it to live in its habitat or restrict it to its underground habitats (depending on your perspective). So, it is just to point out, evolution does not make you a better advanced or pure something as a society – you just adapt to the environment.

            I put it to you though, whatever you think of history of your land, evolution, unlike revolution, happens to you regardless of what you do. So all evolve. Some do revolutions. Revolution is different -it can be rewarding or damning, you can … ride it like a wave or sink in its wake. We can talk that about that some other time.

            I don’t want to stand in your path, as you seem to accuse Eyob, lest I be flattened by the sheer evolutionary pace and weight of what you talk of.

            With utmost respect,

            Néro

          • tes

            Dear Nero,

            I may agree in most but I am not accusing Eyob here. Accusation is only for weak people. I want him to be clean from his dirty words.

            tes

      • Saleh Johar

        Burbank,
        Your views are fresh air in the otherwise suffocating topic that is overwhelmed by vanity. Thank you very much for appearing here and I hope you continue your sober, insightful, and intelligent input. By God, we need more of that.

        Eyob: so far, Burbank has shown he is not about racism, bigotry, or empty bravado. I wish you would challenge him without denying him the courtesy for his clear and sane views.

        Saleh Johar

        • Eyob Medhane

          Gash Saleh,

          I did…and I agree with you Burbank is very cool. I hope I am not scaring him off… 🙂

        • Burbank

          Hello Saleh,

          Thank you, my friend. KbreT weseK.

          What do I know more than you do? But OK, I will blubber if you say so.

          Again Thank you very much.

      • Dear Burbank,
        You say that you are happy for what Ethiopia is achieving, which is nice of you; nevertheless, like the
        regime and most Eritreans in the opposition, you are not free of one bias and cliché: “As long as it (Ethiopia) is not trying to invade and impose itself on Eritrea”. From the behavior of the incumbent Ethiopian government, the present attitude of Ethiopians, and all the discussions we have been making on Awate.com, you should have understood that Ethiopia has no reason whatsoever, to meddle in an Eritrean affair even if invited (or begged). She is not a fool to inherit an Eritrean bombshell
        to explode in her hands. The only time Ethiopia will engage Eritrea militarily is only if DIA makes another blunder and tries to invade again Badme, or sends to Ethiopia one of those Ethiopian armed groups he is hosting in Eritrea. Ethiopia, the boogeyman, ready to swallow Eritrea does not hold water anymore, unless it is meant to keep the Eritrean society in bondage.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Horizon,

          Please, Scroll down a little bit, and read Burbank’s additional comments. I think we have misunderstood him a bit..

          • Selam Eyob,
            I just woke up, and that was the first post I read and decided to respond. As I read his other posts, I felt foolish for responding in a hurry. I have regretted a lot. I think that he is one of those who can heal the wounds of both people. This is what I have come to understand.
            Sorry Burbank, you should know that I respect you a lot.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Horizon:

          “The only time Ethiopia will engage Eritrea militarily is only if DIA makes another blunder and tries to invade again Badme, or sends to Ethiopia one of those Ethiopian armed groups he is hosting in Eritrea.”
          And this is a matter of time if PFDJ still the helm in Eritrea. And if the highly fragmented opposition twiddles it thumbs and dithers to have some form of a united stronger force, not necessarily every group to become one, but some sort of stronger alliance and Ethiopia retaliates in response to PFDJ’s insidious attack, then it will most likely be the end of Eritrea, the same way if Ethiopia just attacks Eritrea without the threat. This is where the sovereignty obsessed , pride driven, change from inside only crowd do not get. Nay, they get it they are smart, save a couple of them, but the sovereignty of Eritrea that is already secured overrides the survival of the nation, which is not secured woe to PFDJ
          The crowd of only change from inside are actually dangerous to the so called sovereignty of the nation. Granted if Ethiopia invades Eritrea, which no one is calling except the talented liars, should be called what it is, invasion and it will endanger the sovereignty of Eritrea, but dilly-dally and offer only one solution, change from inside only equally endanger the survival of the nations
          But debating the opposition’s ability of uniting, and the merits of change from inside to vs the change with Ethiopia’s HELP are good ideas worthy of debate and cousin Saleh was offering ideas before his “gaAda” with you know who 🙂
          So question to the crowd who now helmed by two nefarious dudes , given than PFDJ will provoke Ethiopia and Ethiopia may attack Eritrea under the excuse of PFDJ support to the “terrorist” and the oppositions still does not get its act together then are you saying it is better than some sort of united opposition and Ethiopia officially helping to tip the balance of power to the opposition, not from their goodness of their “multiple hearts” but for their own interest of curbing PFDJ’s insidious attack

          • Dear Semere Andom,
            Let us look at the conclusion we have drawn upto now from our discussions on the subject. Another
            invasion by Eritrea to the type and extent of 1998 is a very remote possibility, because the regime knows that the consequences will be grave. Remember what MZ
            said: this time over we might not know where to stop. On the contrary, sending opposition groups to do some sort of sabotage or boarder attacks is a possible. The response will be proportional. That is what the Ethiopian government said, and a tit-for-tat response to the extent mentioned above, would not change the regime in Asmara.

            “Some sort of united opposition” is a no solution, for the opposition should be strong enough to be the forerunner in the fighting, decision-making and taking over the
            government of Eritrea and defending its newly acquired power. The day after is much more important than Ethiopia helping to tip the balance of power on the opposition side. Remember, you said in the past that Ethiopia should not stay even for a second, after the job is done, in which many Ethiopians and I subscribe. However, how is that going to happen with a sort of united opposition, a term that shows its inherent weakness?

          • Shum

            Hello Semere Andom,

            How is it a foregone conclusion for you that PFDJ will attack or provoke Ethiopia? Why is this a pertinent question on opposition strategy?

          • saay7

            Selamat Cousin iSem:

            First, that little joke about inheritance? We are all cousins, remember, and sonmany of our uncles were pronounced dead by Prof Tes…so that was the joke.

            Now, let’s make this Serious Monday. You either believe that a movement must consult with and be sensitive to people’s values for it to be called a people’s movement or you take the view that a movement can be a “vanguard” movement and trail a path and wait for people to follow. If you believe in the former, then you need to ask yourself “would Eritreans welcome an EPRDF led Ethiopia to ally with Eritreans to wage war on other Eritreans? And if you don’t genuinely know the answer to that, then you need to do what I asked: ask 20 people in your social circle, 20 who have reservations about PFDJ and the opposition what exactly their reservations are.

            Second, assuming the answer validates your view, ask yourself how likely it is for Ethiopia to commit the resources you expect it to overthrow the Isaias Afwerki regime? Remember, this is a country that hasn’t even made an effort to leverage the presence of AU in Addis to introduce the Addis-based opposition to African diplomats? Why? Because it doesn’t want them anywhere near positions of power in post Isaias Eritrea. It’s from the school of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” It’s objective is to paralyze them as it shops for alternatives (every year there is a new bride) and if by some fluke accident they get to power, it wants a large dossier on them to remind them how to toe the line.

            Third, assume that Mr Perfect Organization is discovered and time is optimal for the “intervention.” You keep saying the PFDJ, but PFDJ has no military uniforms, that’s the EDF. That’s who will be shot at, bombed, killed, maimed. The PFDJ wil go to its bunkers as the people load up their camels and mules and get internally displaced and exiled. Long before Ethiopia convinced itself it was a regional super power and long before the Eritrran landscape developed a defeated people who are hopeless and forgetful of their peoples fighting spirit, the late Meles Zenawi said that it would be a big mistake for ethiopia to wage an offensive war in Eritrea. And PM Hailemariam has repeatedly said he is implementing the Meles vision. So you guys need to find another mountain ktmhlelu. If there’s one lesson that all the interventions of the last 12 years have taught us, it’s that they take something bad and make it worse.

            All the other scenarios about how the PFDJ could provoke an Ethiopian retaliation are all speculative. They also always make the assumption that Ethiopia needs provocation and it has no other agenda. Ethiopia is now a weapons manufacturing country, an inspiration for Uganda and Kenya to manufacture their own weapons, thereby making the arm merchants of the West nervous. Ethiopia has been denied some weapons and its under investigation for buying weapons from North Korea. As part of that negotiation with the West it is in its interest to demonstrate capacity and that it has somehow managed to get missiles (and soon ICBMs?), which is why the latest ethiopian version of Bisha bombing is not the Airforce but “missiles from Adwa.”

            My point is that all of this will require a strong, unified Eritrean org to deal with. And Eritreans who beg and plead for “intervention” are in no position to negotiate or affect the outcome of the war. They are simply an invasion legitimizing Eritreans which is why you see such a push back against what you have been peddling. It just isn’t selling Cousin iSem. Let’s discuss Plan B.

            saay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Saay7,

            ነዚ ድማ ዶ ማእዘኑ ከተስሕቶ ደሊኻ ! እዋይ ክትረግም ! እዋእ ሰሙሪስ ባ ይንበረልና :

          • Semere Andom

            Cousin Sal:

            I got the joke, I was just faking it and you bought into it 🙂

            Here is incoherent comment until next time.

            Well, I know the answer, if Iask 20 people, the open ballot question will be overwhelming against Ethiopia’s help and believe it or not, whenever the opportunity comes I ask that question, not 20 people but whatever I have. So you do not even need to do that. But what I am not sure is if this really happened in real life that is if Eritrean opposition helped by Ethiopia comes to “liberate” Eritrea, I am not sure if the people like they told me in1998 that the old women will use their last “berbere” to fight the Ethiopians, I am not sure about that and that is what I tried to say in the “if war is ignited” comment

            About the PFDJ and EDF, I believe that if Ethiopia is not in the forefront that the EDF will be in the side of the people (opposition), any military does, except the few tools as you once called them. I draw the distinction between PFDJ and EDF, you picked on it, PFDJ is hiding behind EDF and they later will at one point dissociate from it when time is ripe

            Now to your point on Ethiopia’s reluctance to empower the opposition, I agree and you cannot blame Ethiopia, they are not there for own interest and I hammer that point again and again. We, or they whichever is the “unroyal’ version must do that. I also believe that the opposition is putting its eggs in one basket and is dangerous if for some reason EPRDF sees PFDJ as an ally at one point in the future with all the things that are on around us

            And wants to keep them in power, the opposition will be in bad situation, may be they will not be slaughter in Addis like before but whatever support they’re getting will be restricted and that is also their responsibility to have backup plan like establishing relationship with Sudan in anticipation of regime change any time.

            About selling an idea, that is ok, it can be done, the same way 50% of Eritreans abandoned their unification notion and voted against it in 1993, remember it can be and I know you know it can be dan 🙂

            About the speculative nature of PFDJ’s provocation and Ethiopia’s attack, true again, but how many times did Ethiopia target Eritrea after 2000, several times, admitted or not and their excuse was some sort of provocation from PFDJ. What I am saying is this: the status qou cannot go indefinitely and if even Ethiopia targets PFDJ from Adwa that is a dent in the long term disintegration of Eritrea as the “ticking” clock on my desk, on my wall on my right side, on my left side, on my iPad, on my desktop indicate 🙂

            My position of Ethiopia’s help is fraught with myriad unknowns and dangers, there is rinks too, what I am saying is this change from inside only is silly, given from what we learned, and is even more dangerous to the sovereignty.

            I may write a longer comment clarifying my position under the title “Cousin’ iSme’s position for the Briliant and Advanced” 🙂

          • saay7

            Cousin iSem:

            I stopped reading after this: “Well, I know the answer, if Iask 20 people, the open ballot question will be overwhelming against Ethiopia’s help and believe it or not, whenever the opportunity comes I ask that question, not 20 people but whatever I have. So you do not even need to do that.”

            I will wait for your longer piece. But please dumb it down; if u write it for the Brilliant and Advanced only you and Tes will get it.

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Selam Sal:
            I had in mind “Qtub” Cousin Gheteb, cousin Sal and Mahmuday with my advanced version. So no dumbing it down!
            “Qutub”: think Tigrayit, but please do not translate it Latin or English or Tigriniya or Blen orArabic or Geeze. or Amharic for for Gheteb, haha

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Aha…SemA
            First you have made a great clarification. Please don’t let your cousin Saay and your bad friend mahmuday down, but keep refining your idea. You said if you asked 20 people that question they would probably object Ethiopian Intervention in Eritrean politics, and you seem convinced that those 2 0 random individuals would give you a simple sample- meaning Eritreans object Ethiopian interference let alone an open intervention. Now, all you want to do is what’s the pros and cons of entertaining these sorts of calls if you know they make Eritreans cringe. Please think in terms of how easy you are making it easy for PFDJ, and what a hurdle this could present to those who want a much better future for our beloved country. It’s a matter of sober judgment. Try to see it from a different angle. You need to reinforce your latest statements that forming a united force and voice is paramount. The rest will fall in once our people see a viable political body. Let’s leave what assistance and from where we get it for those who are in leadership. As long as there emerges a front that represents Eritreans, the question of where they get assistance becomes a matter of diplomatic work. Eritreans will give such a front the mandate to expedite the change we badly need.
            **QuTub (Quxub)= mad…mad..
            angry. Huh, so that your cousin Ghehteb knows.

          • Hope

            Ahlen Cousin Sem,
            Good -U-turn.Am glad that U r back to your senses,thanks to Cousin Saleh AAY.Hope nittric will cool down…

  • Abi

    Eyobe
    What I learned here is no amount of education can cleanse the Amhara haters. By extension ethiopia haters. Sometimes it is better to let go as I am learning to do .
    Somethings never change.
    I’m getting better in ignoring those kind of lines.

    • Eyob Medhane

      Abi,

      You know what’s so sad? This kind of attitude and behavior is becoming detrimental to their own existence, particularly to the Kebesa people. Unfortunately, they seem to be the ones, mostly, who are wallowing in the extreme hate. I wouldn’t be surprised, if the writer is a Kebesa. There’s no worse hate than self hate…

      • Selam Eyobe,

        When an Eritrean says that Amharas are the most ethnocentric people and their love for Ethiopia is the product of their selfish interest, (and by extension
        other ethnic groups do not love Ethiopia, because their interests as ethnic groups is not respected), this shows that this has always been the center of the political and military philosophy of Gedli in the past, and that of the PFDJ today. As much as such people are concerned, there is no Ethiopian nationalism, and therefore, Ethiopia is inherently fragile and weak, and she can easily be brought under control.

        During HS or the Dergue, the Amhara ethnic group has never been an advantaged ethnic group, in some respects even worse than others. Regions where
        Amharas lived were backward compared to other regions, and the people less educated. The main point is that Amharas dominated the government and were at
        the head of a privileged class of people, in which Eritreans, Oromos etc participated. It was more of a class issue than ethnicity, although the Amhara ethnic
        group is demonized as a whole to serve a purpose.

        Now, it is the turn of the people of Tigray. The people are equated to the ruling class, and they are portrayed as if everyone is enjoying the sweet taste of money and power. You see, It is all about driving a wedge between the people of Ethiopia.

        • Eyob Medhane

          Horizon,

          Absolutely. Many of them, sadly, do not know this mind set of theirs is one of the major cause of their down spiral..

  • operationmi15

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    በመጀመርያው የዋሪ ስታዲየም ጨዋታ የናይጄሪያው ክለብ በ5ኛው ደቂቃና በሁለተኛው አጋማሽ መጨረሻ ደቂቃ በሁለተኛው አጋማሽ መጨረሻ ደቂቃ አካባቢ ባስቆጠረው የፍጹም ቅጣት ምት ማሸነፉ ይታወሳል፡፡

    የደደቢቱ ናይጄሪያዊው አጥቂ ሳሙኤል ሳኑሚ፣ ‹‹ባለፈው ጨዋታ በዋሪ ዎልቭስ ተበልጠናል፡፡ የእነሱ ጥንካሬ በአጥቂና አማካይ ነበር፡፡ በእርግጠኝነት ለመናገር በባሕርዳር በሚደረገው ጨዋታ ውጤቱን እንቀለብሳለን፤›› በማለት ለሱፐር ስፖርት ተናግሯል፡፡

  • Nitricc

    greetings people; some one help me to understand the following statements of the author. he said

    “The author belongs to a small fringe in Eritrea who want, wish, and write for the removal of the upper ruling clique only and with no radical change that can shake up the class dynamism, interest, and structure of the status quo.”

    what group, or ethnic or region is considered ” upper clique” and ” the class dynamism, interest” in today’s Eritrea?
    the author is claiming to exist one; I really would like to know which group or ethnic that is. sometimes people will bring text book’s analysis that only make sense on theory but mean nothing on the reality on the ground. from what i see the utter failure of the opposition is, they couldn’t identify one group or ethnic as upper ruling clique as to point a finger and organize against it. that is the very reason everything the opposition say, start with PIA and it ends with PIA and people are tired with it.

    • operationmi15

      Hamasenai (clique)

      • Nitricc

        Hi; you can’t just dump it like that. you got show the ruling clique is benefiting the Hamasenai group at the expenses of the others. in fact, the Hamasien ethnic are less benefited form the current ruling government.

      • T..T.

        [From moderator: once again, TT, always begin with salutation PER awate posting guidelines. No exceptions.]

        To be more specific, these clique members are blind or supper blind pro-Isayas Hamasienis and Massawais. The clique members can be identified by their definition of Eritreans’ unity as one eye, one heart, one tongue, and ONE LEG – the leg the opposition should target. As a group, the clique is with many-arms and long nails like devil. The clique is known for its advanced bloodsucking skills in controlling everything; even babies are not allowed to have enough breast-milk.

  • tes

    Dear AT,

    This is a very well argued piece. Thanks fr pulling and bringing to the forefront.

    tes