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Negarit 77: ኢልኣምር ምኣምር – Ignorance – من لا يدري

When I first came across “M’amir Bokre’s YouTube channel, I was elated. I thought his videos will help me study Geez for he presented himself as teacher of linguistics and I think sociology and anthropology. And I did learn a few Geez words, thank you Bokre. However, slowly the man quickly started to move on a downwards slope and I was disappointed. His speech was full of a focused hate, a defamation campaign to ride the always present bias a prejudice. As usual, betrey habuni zeHmqo alleni [targeting what one believes is a low hanging fruit], he pinpointed on two scapegoat terms to unleash his bigoted attacks: He used Jeberti as a camouflage to attack Eritrean Muslims, and Arabic to demonize the others.

Now it is my turn to lecture M’amir Bokre. Hass ist nicht gut, aber Frieden ist edel.

M’amir; Mi’laamir! In Tigrayit, when we see such pompous statements, we discount it by simply saying, m’laamir, or m’amir, as in “what does he know! Or he doesn’t know any better. So, Bokre’s choice of the Geez word is very fitting, M’laamir! He doesn’t know as much I thought. His knowledge is rudimentary, tsewitseway, folktales with very little verifiable knowledge. And his hate spreading has been going on for a while fully aware that such inflammable divisive messages are dangerous to the impressionable minds.

Until recently I tended to ignore divisive speeches and advised others to do the same. But today I have changed my views because I am convinced the potential audience of such messages should be warned about the fire before it engulfs more souls. That is because the people who had no part in starting the fires, eventually end up facing the task of putting off the fires that the irresponsible ignite.

Bokre has little to add to his audience’s knowledge of language because he uses his linguistic knowledge only to serve his prejudiced and bigoted messages. Thus, he uses linguistics as a cover up to sound an authority in the field. He warps his speech with archaic but novel sounding terminologies and propagates them as history, always tickling raw nerves of his targeted audience with the aim of advancing his supremacist and chauvinist views. He talks about slavery, race and ethnicities, religion, and many other topics, all wrapped intellectual garb, to serve his political aim of spreading hate.

In the future, I may address the other topics as need be, and when I feel it’s required. But today I will only address, rather touch, on his hate speech wrapped as a lecture in languages. And I believe languages are products of social interactions, not a lab produced systems.

Maybe Esperanto is an exception.

133 years ago, a Polish Jew laid the groundwork and structured Esperanto as a new language to enable humanity to communicate “with ease”. It was an ambitious project to narrow the cultural gaps and differences among different societies. So far, Esperanto has about two million speakers. But during the reign of the Nazis, Hitler targeted the language and warned the Jews developed Esperanto to communicate among themselves secretly in their conspiracies to rule the world! May were convinced by Hitler’s speeches and many Esperanto speakers and intellectuals were victimized by the Nazis. I think the M’amir lacks and the basics of how language develops therefore, it is my turn to lecture him.

Languages begin as simple gestures then develops to sounds, vocalization, phonemes phonology, morphology, or syntax… it is science. And since I am passionate about languages, I have read enough about the topic—one of my favorite linguists is Prof. Noam Chomsky and I would have liked to know how he would grade M’amir Bokre if he saw how he misuses language and mythology interchangeably and mixes it with current politics to advance a chauvinist sectarian goal. My message to Bokre is: Sie haben viele Jahre in Deutschland gelebt, aber nur Mein Kompf gelernt. Enttäuschend!

Of course, language is influenced by the environment which creates culture, that in turn creates languages, vocabularies, etc. If a certain community stays within itself, fenced from other cultures, it certainly dies as a culture and never develops let alone be civilized. That happens to societies that wallow in mythologies, superstitions and folktales that are not supported by any scientific evidence but are mostly imposed on a captive audience using emotional blackmail.

When a section of any social group with a common basic language depart and live in another environment, they come in contact with other languages, cultures and environment and slowly, the language drifts far and after a time, the two languages could be mutually unintelligible from the mother language. Moreover, languages are more than a medium of communication but are they store culture and values as well. What culture is civilized or not is measured by tangible and salient facts that can be considered a product of a culture or language. Otherwise, arrogant statements, and supremacist pronouncements with nothing to show for it, is hot air.

A Bowl of Language Cocktail

A few thousand years ago, Sabeans, Himyarites, Kushites, Nilotic people and others in our region developed different languages, so did the Babylonians and many others. These languages interacted with each other and today we have several languages. For instance, I speak Arabic, Amharic, Tigrayit and Tigrinya and I can guess Geez words pretty close, but though related to each other, the above languages are not mutually intelligible to each other but some are relatively closer to each other. Trying to reverse history and berating people for failing to preserve an almost dead language, in this case Geez, is an insane idea and that is what Bokre is doing. I wish the M’amir focused on teaching Geez as an exotic language (I could have been his first students provided he taught pure language, not bigotry). As it is, we should pray the other languages of today do not face the fate of Geez and we should work to preserve them because the onslaught waged by other major world languages is intense and unforgiving.

Latin was alive until a few centuries ago but now it is a museum material and a reference language at best. It’s not fit for the day to day life of its historical owners. Geez is worse, it’s limited to liturgy, and worse, many people are adopting their local languages in mass and have translated their divine books to their languages. But Bokre is criticizing Tigrinya speakers for using Anesti for women and instead he is almost ordering people to use the archaic Geez word, B’estyo! Good luck convincing Eritrean women to change Mahber deqi’nestyo (Women’s Union) to maHber B’estiyo. How about deqi Tebaatiyo, any Geez suggestion?

Languages do not change because an individual wished them so. It cannot even change through a government Fiat or proclamation; it’s the society of speakers and its interaction with others that does it.

Insisting to force others to adopt Geez, the way M’amir Bokre does, is a very conservative argument, a rigid conservative outlook that even the social conservatives will not accept let alone the liberal democrats. Importantly, Bokre’s aim is not advancing an innocent and naked language idea, I wish it was so, it’s rather a supremacist campaign with a deep chauvinist arrogance. Unfortunately, Bokre betrayed his listeners by pretending he was all about language and unbiased culture and history. Starting with a pretentious lecture about language, he quickly became a hate-monger, conveniently using language and religion to camouflage his bigotry. The Germans say, “Hass ist nicht gut, aber Frieden ist edel.”

 

About Saleh "Gadi" Johar

Born and raised in Keren, Eritrea, now a US citizen residing in California, Mr. Saleh “Gadi” Johar is founder and publisher of awate.com. Author of Miriam was Here, Of Kings and Bandits, and Simply Echoes. Saleh is acclaimed for his wealth of experience and knowledge in the history and politics of the Horn of Africa. A prominent public speaker and a researcher specializing on the Horn of Africa, he has given many distinguished lectures and participated in numerous seminars and conferences around the world. Activism Awate.com was founded by Saleh “Gadi” Johar and is administered by the Awate Team and a group of volunteers who serve as the website’s advisory committee. The mission of awate.com is to provide Eritreans and friends of Eritrea with information that is hidden by the Eritrean regime and its surrogates; to provide a platform for information dissemination and opinion sharing; to inspire Eritreans, to embolden them into taking action, and finally, to lay the groundwork for reconciliation whose pillars are the truth. Miriam Was Here This book that was launched on August 16, 2013, is based on true stories; in writing it, Saleh has interviewed dozens of victims and eye-witnesses of Human trafficking, Eritrea, human rights, forced labor.and researched hundreds of pages of materials. The novel describes the ordeal of a nation, its youth, women and parents. It focuses on violation of human rights of the citizens and a country whose youth have become victims of slave labor, human trafficking, hostage taking, and human organ harvesting--all a result of bad governance. The main character of the story is Miriam, a young Eritrean woman; her father Zerom Bahta Hadgembes, a veteran of the struggle who resides in America and her childhood friend Senay who wanted to marry her but ended up being conscripted. Kings and Bandits Saleh “Gadi” Johar tells a powerful story that is never told: that many "child warriors" to whom we are asked to offer sympathies befitting helpless victims and hostages are actually premature adults who have made a conscious decision to stand up against brutality and oppression, and actually deserve our admiration. And that many of those whom we instinctively feel sympathetic towards, like the Ethiopian king Emperor Haile Sellassie, were actually world-class tyrants whose transgressions would normally be cases in the World Court. Simply Echoes A collection of romantic, political observations and travel poems; a reflection of the euphoric years that followed Eritrean Independence in 1991.

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  • Brhan

    Hello Saleh,
    I enjoyed your presentation.

    Informative and at the same time humours.

    From time to time I think abut what makes people like Bokre unleash hate. Educated or not, one thing they have in common is hate. So why do they do that or what are the reasons that push them to do their ugly work?

    They are few and this tells you that Eritreans are good country.

    In my observation these are the points that makes these people speak hate:

    1) Ignorance due to the absence of diversity. Some people who lived in a town or village think that the whole Eritrea is like their town or village. That brings me to say that Kerentie when tested by this virus , will show negative. Lucky ones!
    2) Personal experience: A man with a bad experience became a leader, then we have the third Reich. If some one had a terrible experience with his neighbour and the two are from different tribes, then one can have the appetite of generalizing the issue to hate the tribe of the other
    3) I find out that people like Bokre are stationed in Europe where the issue of nationalism has increased lately , with xenophobia and add to the fire, fuel, finding – social media. So they go crazy and search for በትረይ ሃቡኒ ዘሕምቖ ኣሎኒ but their mission has ended from their first step.

    But forum contribute can you share a study of hate speech with an example from other countries ?

  • Haile S.

    Selam Saleh,

    You should have said ጭልኢ instead of ጽልኢ :-).

    Thank you Saleh for bring this and your justified reaction. I just watched his two last videos because of you. He is an interesting person. I started watching his first 4 videos when Sis-Abrehet brought him to our attention. But, quickly I had to take a break after watching all four, because everything he said on origins and shapes of the pre-Sabean or Sabean letters revolved around women’s privacy. And now it is so curious he squarely came to the word Geberti! I don’t know what to make of it.

    I don’t know what is happening to መምእር Bokre. He was well composed when he blabbered all this social poison that Eritrea’s atmosphere is filled with and that we didn’t need his addition. By “answering” to those he calls foreign living groupies, he is further aggravating and contributing to the pernicious community distancing Eritreans are suffering from. Hopefully, Eritreans are much more intelligent than this rubbish discourse. No amount of false narrative and propaganda by other extremist groupies he claims to be pushed-by justifies such weirdly knitted story.

    The history of Jeberti I know is from what I read in “Islam in Ethiopia” by Spencer Trimingham 1952. It has nothing to do with what Bokre is saying. Briefly Trimingham says:
    “Jabarti was used as the name of a region. As per moslem historians spoke of the territory of Zaila as the land of Jabarta then the term was extended to all the muslim kingdom of southern Ethiopia, and finally, to all Ethiopian Muslims.” In a footnote is added; land of Jabarta is confirmed by Ibn Taghribird, in giving genealogy of Badlay, one of the Adalite rulers, derived from Umar ibn Walasma al-Jabarti. The Abyssinians derive the term from gabr, meaning servant (of God).”

    On Geez, one of the Keren-born intellectuals and among the very few who tried to bring back Geez even to using it in secular writing like letter writing (መርሐ ጽሒፈ መልእክት, 1901) is Abba Teklemaryam Semharay Selim
    Here is his biography (PDF). http://www.eparchyofkeren.com/topics/Abba.Teklemariam.Semharay.pdf
    Enjoy!

    • Hashela

      Selam Haile

      Through Saleh’s Article, for the first I heard about Bokre. I wasted my time watching some of his numerous video. Frustrated and disgusted, I stopped watching. You are right, in his ‘ሐ’ video, he obsessively discusses the womb and other private parts of women. Very strange! I suspect that he is infected by the Agazian virus that was developed in Weyanes’ laboratories.

      His ግእዝ reminded me a bit in my high school time. I was attending mathematical and science-oriented Gymansium, the German high school that leads to and prepares you for the university. In addition to the German language, you have to select two foreign languages. The director of the school thought this was too much for me and arranged a ትግሪኛ/ግእዝ class that served as the third language class (in addition to German and English). Every 2-3 months or so, I went to the nearby University and met an old, white professor whose speciality was the grammar, syntax and structure of ትግሪኛ/ትግረ/ግእዝ/ኣምሓርኛ and its commonality with old Hebrew and ?classic Arabic. When the professor tried to speak ትግሪኛ with me I could barely understand him because of his thick accent and his weird sentence structures. I felt he was disappointed because I could not understand him and a bit embarrassed (his beautiful female assistant was always there with us). Anyway, he was torturing me with comparative studies of the ‘old’ languages (Geez, old Hebrew and ?classic Arabic), highly technical things, similar to Bokre’s stuff!

  • Abi

    Selam Ato Saleh
    Very interesting article as usual. You sound a seasoned Sociolinguist. I hope Mr Bokre will give us a visit to make the discussion more interesting. I’m expecting Chomsky VS Piaget kind of debate.

    Ato Saleh
    Is it possible if you kindly repost the speech you gave at some university in Maryland regarding language? I believe it is a great opportunity for everyone to learn a great deal from that particular speech.
    Thanks
    እንደማያሳፍሩኝ እርግጠኛ ነኝ::

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Abi,
      Reposting it will be an overkill. But if our colleagues are interested, we can bring it closer as per your request.
      would you settle for a link? Did you say YES? Fine, here it is:
      http://awate.com/language-and-religion-in-eritrean-politics-2/

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Saleh
        The first time you gave us the link, I read it immediately and asked you if you could post it on the front page. You gladly did it. በድጋሚ አመሰግናለሁ::
        I remember it was reposted some time back. This is the third time I’m asking. As you said it is an overkill. I thought it would be a fitting article for the current one.
        I guess I have to settle with a link.
        ምን ይደረግ “የስጦታ ፈረስ ጥርሱ አይታይም ” ይሉም አይደል?

        Hello Fellow Addicts, it is a must each one of you read the link as if your life depends on it.

  • iSem

    Hi Saleh:
    You said Bokre is from Germany and you said he talks about Geeze, right? I have not heard his youtube channel, but I am certain I know who he is, So next time he gets into your nerves call him ሃማወኤ.
    It was 1987 and the Eritrean nation union of students held its congress and decided to change its name to national union of youth and Bokre was in attendance representing Eruope
    Many were disappointed that instead of creating a a youth union the EPLF was shoving youth union so Bokre stood up said that in Tigriniyመናእሰይ is under 30 and the leaders like Shengeb, Amin Hassan, Shakuki and Nawed well into their late 30s So he said instead calling it ሃገራዊ ማሕበር መናእሰይ ኤርትራ , Bokre proposed ሃገራዊ ማሕበር ወራዙት ኤርትራ(ሃማወኤ). It was voted down as you might imagine
    Some one introudced me to him when he was returning to Germany and we had a laugh

    ሃገራዊ ማሕበር ተመሃሮ

    ሃማመኤHi Saleh:

    You said Bokre is from Germany and you said he talks about Geeze, right? I have not heard his youtube channel, but I am certain I know who he is, So next time he gets into your nerves call him ሃማወኤ.

    It was 1987 and the Eritrean nation union of students held its congress and decided to change its name to national union of youth and Bokre was in attendance representing Eruope

    Many were disappointed that instead of creating a a youth union the EPLF was shoving youth union so Bokre stood up said that in Tigriniyመናእሰይ is under 30 and the leaders like Shengeb, Amin Hassan, Shakuki and Nawed well into their late 30s So he said instead calling it ሃገራዊ ማሕበር መናእሰይ ኤርትራ , Bokre proposed ሃገራዊ ማሕበር ወራዙት ኤርትራ(ሃማወኤ). It was voted down as you might imagine

    Some one introudced me to him when he was returning to Germany and we had a laughHi Saleh:

    You said Bokre is from Germany and you said he talks about Geeze, right? I have not heard his youtube channel, but I am certain I know who he is, So next time he gets into your nerves call him ሃማወኤ.

    It was 1987 and the Eritrean nation union of students held its congress and decided to change its name to national union of youth and Bokre was in attendance representing Eruope

    Many were disappointed that instead of creating a a youth union the EPLF was shoving youth union so Bokre stood up said that in Tigriniyመናእሰይ is under 30 and the leaders like Shengeb, Amin Hassan, Shakuki and Nawed well into their late 30s So he said instead calling it ሃገራዊ ማሕበር መናእሰይ ኤርትራ , Bokre proposed ሃገራዊ ማሕበር ወራዙት ኤርትራ(ሃማወኤ). It was voted down as you might imagine

    Some one introudced me to him when he was returning to Germany and we had a laugh

    • Saleh Johar

      iSem,
      I also heard he was irritated by the Arabic Shebab and suggested Werazut. It has been fermenting in his mind since then

      • iSem

        Hi Saleh:
        Well, there was no going around the Arabic if you avoid the shebab, the ethad will do it,if you solve that the wettani will do it:-)

  • Paulos

    Selam Horizon and All,

    I am picking up where we left off the other day on the previous thread which is now closed and my apologies for the interruption as the discussion is entirely unrelated.

    With in the last two decades or so, there has been rather pervasive sense of optimism where life could not have been any better. That kind of feel good moments were not captured by Inspirational Speakers only but with in serious academics as well and one of the crusaders to that effect is Steven Pinker–Professor of Psychology at Harvard. Pinker, certainly makes strong argument—why we should all celebrate the goodness of life particularly in this young century when people are living longer; practically all nations around the world are at peace with one another; more people are wealthier than any time before; more over, the advancement in Science and Technology including in Medicine beyond our wildest dreams. Pinker didn’t only talk but wrote bestseller books where “Enlightenment Now” and “The Better Angeles Of Our Nature” are the most notable to that effect so much so that he has made acquaintances with the affluent trio–Buffet, Gates and Musk where they invariably talk of his works as if he is a high-tech prophet of some sort. And before we knew it, this thing happened—Pandemic.

    Pinker, insisted when he said that, the good life is the result of Reason which traces its intellectual roots to the Era of Enlightenment. But again, the much celebrated reliance on Reason alone is threatened to its core when the world is gripped with an uncompromising plague.

    In the 1940s, in a rather deeper philosophical sense, an Algerian born French thinker and writer challenged, the intellectuals of his generation when he posed perhaps the central question in philosophy. Before he posed the question though, in the throes of “Nihilism” that had hitherto gripped Europe and particularly France, he said, “Suicide is the logical conclusion of the human condition.”

    Albert Camus made the rather gloomy assertion when he rhetorically asked: “How could one live a meaningful life in full knowledge of the inevitability of death?” The rather central question in philosophy imparted of the horrifying experiences of World War II, particularly during the Occupation; the slaughter of tens of millions in the war and the horrors of the Holocaust that were coming to light which had made many despair and abandon any hope for the future of humanity. Denial of any meaning or purpose in life—“Nihilism” became a widespread response.

    But what made Camus a remarkable force and personality was that, he rejected Nihilism and took an entirely different path. In his books, “The Myth of Sisyphus” and to some extent in “The Stranger”, Camus addressed again, what he thought was the key inquiry—“…Judging whether life is or is not worth living.” To Camus, the crux of the matter of life was the certainty of death. The practical question that certainty prompted was: How could one live a meaningful life in full knowledge of the inevitability of death?

    Camus asserted that by recognizing the reality of the physical limits of one’s life, one attained the clarity and freedom to make the most of life as it is. He reasoned that the logical response to the certainty of death was a revolt against death—a revolt that took the form of living life passionately and to the fullest: “Being aware of one’s life, one’s revolt, one’s freedom, to the maximum, is living, and living to the maximum.”

    Camus’ recipe for living life to the fullest was to do nothing in hope of an afterlife, and to rely on courage and reasoning instead: “The first teaches him to live without appeal to religion and to get along with what he has; the second informs him of his limits. Assured of his temporally limited freedom and of his mortal consciousness, he lives out his adventure with in the span of his lifetime.”

    For Camus, even Sisyphus condemned as he was to rolling his rock uphill each day, only to have it roll back down and to begin all over again—was master of his own fate. Sisyphus— created meaning in his own life by deciding that, “…The struggle towards the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart.”

    Camus’ reasoned optimism, born as it was in the middle of the Occupation and war, struck a chord with readers recovering from the tragedies of World War II when he said, “In the depths of Winter, I discovered that there lay within me an invincible Summer.” Camus offered his contemporaries including generations to come a practical philosophy for living without succumbing to “Nihilism” or appealing to Religion. In the aftermath of the great calamity, Camus offered the masses a scenario of a brighter future where the scenario is rooted in Reason and like his hero Nietzsche, affirming to life with courage and moral clarity as well. The question still remains, however, if Emmanuel Kant challenged the dictatorship of “Reason” four centuries earluer, can we fully say that, relying on Reason solely has done us any good? Perhaps not. Man is not a Digital being that can be compressed into binaries, an Analogue being instead.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam Saleh Johar
    I think this guy is working for eprdf/prosperity party, the way i understood the article , mamir bokre propaganda/teaching style is topical eprdf/ prosperity style.
    speaking of language, if u people notice amharic language is dying because of eprdf/prosperity party want it to be dead by the help of directly and indirectly ethiopia gov medias, by the cadres face bookers and commenters, by the likes of qabi , admasse and so on, by confusing the language, by putting so many other words in to the language, by making it sound weird and using weird grammar.

  • Abrehet Yosief

    Selam Ustaz Saleh,
    A timely and measured response. I have been following the Dr. Bokre’s lectures whenever I can and there is always something new to learn. He had resisted the pressure from some of his commentators to bring him to confirm their own convictions with regards to agazian, tigray, native people etc. The video on Jeberti was way out of line and without any consideration as to what the consequences of his lecture would be. I agree with you. It would be interesting if a genetic mapping, if not of the general populace, but at least of selected notable figures could be made. We would see how interlinked we are.

    • Saleh Johar

      Ahlan Abrehet,
      It is disappointing. I hoped to learn Geez from him. Do you think he succumbed to pressures from the despicable camp?

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Selam Ustaz,
        I think mostly the very provocative diatribe coming from some of the extreme Muslim Eritreans pushed him over the edge. Unfortunately, his video will be used by both sides to further their hateful agendas.

        • Saleh Johar

          Abreast,
          He has been doing it for years. Extremism is not a monopoly all segments have it. But it is disappointing when a learned person thinks like an illiterate person. That is my problem. The usual imbeciles do not deserve attention

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Ustaz,
            I understand. The shift I saw was from pushing the superiority of his own ancestry or affirming that Africans have their own proud history to identifying current peoples (or collection of peoples) as historical enemies. I can understand the feeling one would have when doing an extensive research for years surrounded by European colleagues and the resources that they collected. He may want to assert his owning findings or conclusions that the origin of knowledge is Africa and it influenced Middle East and Europe rather than the reverse. That was tolerable up to a point. But the current assertions he has made are quite disturbing. People usually look for new information that confirms their old beliefs and his video is going to provide more fuel for hatemongers. Until we have a peaceful region and this studies and debates could be done in-situ, I don’t see any way to mitigate it.

  • Selam SJG,

    Can we really say that an ancient language, the types of Latin, Greek and Geez are dead languages, and exotic as well, in the case of Geez. Latin, ancient Greek and Geez may not be spoken in the streets of Rome, Athens and Addis, nevertheless, the continued development of their modern counterparts depend on these ancient languages.

    Latin and Greek continue to be the gold mines of scientific terminologies, and the Geez language is a living liturgical language in the Ethiopian and Eritrean churches, on top of its use to coin new words in the Amharic language, especially over the last decades, when many new words have been introduced.

    The chances are the Geez language will be around in a hundred years from now, especially when we see that the young and old church-goers are interested to learn the Geez language and participate in church services. These are tens of millions of people.

    I don’t believe that history is reversed in the case of Geez, (nor of course, in the case of Latin and ancient Greek), and it will remain the language of the Tewahedo Orthodox Church, even if some have tried to separate Geez and the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church. This is true for any languages and religions. Those who would continue to use Geez in their churches – Amharas, Tigrayans and Christian Eritreans are not few in number.

    Therefore, Geez is not a dead language or exotic. Yes, many groups of people and their languages have died out, but, saying that Geez is dead is premature, nor is it exotic for many millions of Ethiopians and Eritreans.

    • Saleh Johar

      Horizon,
      You didn’t say anything I didn’t cover. As for the next fifty years, may you live long to see that.

      Did you know you sound like the puritans of Saudi Arabia trying to hold on to the old and archaic norms, always trying to breath life into a mummy? That’s pretty much their infatuation. I am afraid, there is no difference between that and your argument..

      • Selam SJG,
        If you think that Geez is old and archaic and a mummy, and therefore none viable, be sure many Ethiopians and Eritreans don’t share your opinion on this.

        • Saleh Johar

          Nope Horizon, Read my comments again.

          I said, the Puritans try hard to revive the old and the archaic–and it includes some dead stuff that cannot be resuscitated.
          It’s important to realize that there are objective measures to determine if a language is a living or a dead one. It’s not a matter of opinion.

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            እባክዎ አቶ አማኑኤል ህድራት ጠፍቶብናልና አፈላልጉን::መጀመሪያ የጠፉብንን ሰዎች እናግኝና ወደ ጠፉብን ቋንቋዎች ሙሉ ኃይልና እውቀታችንን እንሰዋለን::

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Horizon,

          I think you missed the point of what Saleh is trying to say in response to the Bokre. May be if you had listened to the video it would make sense to you. What Bikre is saying, we should go back and use the geez words such as ansti (women) from Tigrinya to its geez form and many other usage.

          I am not by far have any knowledge in languages but for example in English, I think they use to say “ thou” to “you”.

          Saleh point is it’s good that we should learn geez and preserve it, study it and get a lot of use for it. But what’s the point of replacing the Tigrinya and may be other languages to their geez form.

          Do you think it will make sense if English languages experts say, let’s drop “you” and use instead “ thou”.

          And I don’t think that’s the main reason Saleh wanted to dedicate a video response. I think they main reason is, how Bokre is hiding behind geez and trying to single out and isolate the Eritrean Jeberti as outsiders.

          And he is going on the same path of this agazian agenda, it all revolves around you know where.

          Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            I think this ይአክል movement is the political wing of the Agazian movement that was quickly established to challenge and derail the peace agreement.
            What do you think?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I honestly don’t think so. I have a lot of friends who are active and derailing the peace is the last thing they wanted. In fact it’s the opposite, they wanted the same kind of peace for the Eritrean people that Ethiopians got.

            People such as saay are supporting it and are in it.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Merhaba Berhe
            It took you years before you finally found out the agazian movement is sponsored by weyanes.
            I strongly believe that the relentless attacks on Abiy is sponsored by weyanes and the ይአክል activists and their followers are unwittingly supporting weyanes.
            Think about it.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            It didn’t took me years:), I just didn’t think they were worth my attention.

            Could the ይአክል be infiltrated or could become unwittingly supporters of weyane? Sure they can, but that’s something that’s may not be avoided.

            But the problem is why the peace deal is drailed? ይአክል Or no ይአክል I don’t think it makes a difference f they really wanted it.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Sunday is for visiting family and friends.
            Did you try to reach Ato Amanuel again? Please do.
            Thanks

        • Teodros Alem

          horizon
          even the priest in church can’t communicate with geez except routinely praying by geez, nobody speaks it fluently, those who say they can speak geez r like grade 7-8 english teachers in gov school in ethiopia, they can teach basic lessons but they can’t speak it properly themselves., they r like that,
          So don’t be pathetic.

          • Teodros Alem,
            Our priests are very good in treating a psychopath.
            ሌላው ቢቀር የሰፈረብህን አጋንንት ሊያባርሩልህ ይችላሉ።

          • Teodros Alem

            horizon
            First, am sure i have no “aganenet” in me, unlike Qabi, am the fev to my mother’s “nebs abat” but if u believe they can do that, why they can’t hell ur QqQ hands???
            u guys don’t believe in God., u guys r working to harm innocent defenseless people, this all things what u do is devilish, but me i believe in God and i believe am just attacking devil worshipers , bad people and QqQs, so u the one have “aganenet” and needs to go to church and hell.

          • Abi

            Hello Horizon
            ከአሳማ መላፋት ጭቃ ለመለቅለቅ ነው::
            ክርስቶስ በማቴዮስ ወንጌል 8: 28-34 ያባረራቸው አጋንንትን የሰፈሩት እዚህ ጉድ ላይ ነው::

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Tella , what u taiking about, u said u don’t believe in GOD but “dabo”, let us see who is “assama” pig.
            1, who is harming people just because to get a paycheck? U
            2, who is lying 24/7 to get paycheck? U
            so u r the pig,
            There is a saying ” egzabehar ye ebaben leb ayeto eger nesawa” , God see snakes heart and prevent snake to have a leg.
            if God created u like everyone(with out bloody hands) am sure u will harm more people than u harm now.
            But God is great and God creat all u n shawa QqQ .

          • Selam Abi,
            I have been keeping social distancing from this አጋንንት ever since i encountered him on this website. You know he never understands. I will carry a cross with me whenever i visit the site in the future. It is said that evil spirits are scared of the cross. I wish he is sprinkled with holy water and a Debtera reads the holy book over his head as he kneels down. The spirit may go away from him this way. He is nuts.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            What are you talking about?????
            Social distancing is among human beings. It is practically impossible to practice social distancing with this thing.
            Just swat it away every time it is buzzing around you.
            የምን ፀበል ማባከን ነው?

          • Teodros Alem

            abi
            Hypocrite tella, u become religious all of a sudden now? U r Qomatta by hereditary so shawa oromo or other people don’t want to close to u people so keep ur working ur adgi job for ttplf, that is ur only option.

          • Teodros Alem

            horizon
            I never tried to discuss with u , all am doing is stop u from lying, expose ur lie, expose ur cadre tactics and telling u QqQ because ” Qomattan Qomatta kalalut abro yefetefetal”
            Since when u eprdf cadres become religious?
            by any religion measurement u r devilish and u r working for devil .every body knows what u been saying 2 years a go and what u saying now, u have a lot of ” aganenet” in u.
            what a Q A.

    • Abi

      Hello Horizon
      I haven’t read the article yet. I just wanted to comment on your comment.
      According to descriptive linguists, a dead language has no skeleton.
      To keep a language from dying, the language has to be reduced to a written language. Geez will never die. It might be limited to church use only.
      There was an effort by “የኢትዮዽያ ቋንቋዎች አካዳሚ” to keep some languages from dying. Agew, if I remember correctly, was one of the languages.

      I will be back after reading the article.

      • Saleh Johar

        Abi,
        That is right. Languages should be preserved for many reasons, but certainly not for pride alone. Because that attitude denies the people interaction and promotes isolation…which nurtures arrogance and ignorance. In one of my last editions I asked about the Ethiopian languages academy–I think it was located on a street opposite Wasbi Shebelle hotel, and behind where the Ethiopian shipping headquarters is (or was).

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Saleh
          You know Addis Pretty well.

  • Hawaz Tesfom

    Selam Mr. Saleh,

    I don’t understand why you are attacking Mr. Bokre. Please have some respect. He is an intelligent and high profile scholarly person. How you dare correcting him. I don’t think you have the capability to challenge him. Language, it is his subject. We know, you don’t have the qualification and the background that Boktre has. You have no academic background whatsoever. You are street smart. But that doesn’t legitimize you to criticize him.
    His contribution trough his research is immense. Thank you Bokre for your hard work. Mr. Saleh, we don’t allow you to attack him with no reason. Also, you said that “he attacked Geberti, but he meant all Muslims”. That is bigotry of you. He always shows great respect
    for Islam. Sometimes he speaks honestly about Geberti that they are not native (dekebat) Eritreans. But by now every Eritrean knows the difference between Geberti and the rest of the Eritrean Muslims. Eritrean Muslims (dekebat) are part and parcel of Eritrea.
    We are all Eritreans of different faith. We don’t allow you to play the religion card. When Bokre says Geberti, he means Geberti and not all Eritrean Muslims.
    Please hands off from Bokre.
    Thank you Bokre for your contribution. Keep it up. We respect you!
    Thank you
    Hawaz

    • Saleh Johar

      Selam Hawaz,
      1. Correction didn’t attack anyone, I just presented a rebuttal and warned against hate speech.
      2. If you listened to the video and din’t understand the instigation and my reaction to it, over 22 minutes, maybe you should listen to it again. That’s is if you have the time and you care about the topic (or the maestro).

      Sorry I can’t provide more help

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Hawaz Tesfom,

      Categorizing people who populate a geographical portion of the earth through centuries of immigration and migration as natives and non-natives as you seem to have suggested, is curious. Speaking about the Jeberti vs others living in modern Eritrea as nation-state seems to me cynical to put it mildly. For instance, at what stage of settling the land did the migrants from South Arabia to Eritrea, whose roots we speak of as Sabeans (descendants of old Geez speaker or mostly Tigrigna and Tigre speakers) became native in comparison to people who preceded them to live in that geographical environment? What I am trying to point out is that what you have suggested in defense of Bokre (by the way, I am not aware of him yet) seem to have been driven by sectorial interest beyond other objectives that fit in knowledge and intellectual pursuit.