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Eritrean Intelligence Establishes Bases in Ethiopia

Eritreans living in Ethiopia are feeling threatened by the presence of several PFDJ operative in the country.

The militarized Ethiopian-Eritrean border was opened last summer after two decades when the Ethiopian prime minister and the president of the Eritrean ruling party reached an agreement. Details of the agreement are still unknown, particularly to Eritreans.

The open border has given the PFDJ government an opportunity to send its operatives unhindered to several Ethiopian cities.

Ethnic rivalries are plaguing all parts of Ethiopia, as a result, the institutional transition envisioned by PM Abiy has had its cost. Consequently, it is still on a bumpy road.

Observers believe that Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea has found leverage to interfere in Ethiopia’s internal affairs through the many armed opposition groups he hosted and trained in Eritrea since 2000 when the border war between the two countries ended.

Recently, a blanket amnesty that PM Abiy granted to all forces opposed to the EPRDF government returned home and some are already involved in the politics of the country.

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  • Brhan

    Hi George,
    Firstly, if you only read my comment with smile …I did not say the law can protect the fool” I said the opposite. I even said it in Arabic if you know Arabic you will know what I said in English is the same in Arabic.
    Secondly, my main topic with Nitricc was about his insult to Eritreans , when he said “So, they ( Eritreans) are going to Tigray because there is a free food.
    About sympathizing….let me see how you answer to Nitric’s saying that our people are going to Tigray because there is a free food.
    I know ahead of time you are going to sympathize with him. The proof is that your ignoring to what he said and imagining to what I said

  • Dear all,
    We have always been very accommodating to diverse view because we want to keep nurturing a civil discourse. However, a few members tend to be disruptive and disrespectful to other members. Still, we kept advising them to tone down but they do not seem to be willing to improve their debating manners. Today we repeat and say that all members are free to express their views without worrying about being insulted and disrespected. And our moderators have the duty to protect members from the abuse by a few members. Therefore, we would like to bring the following to your attention:

    1. If anyone is coming here to fight, please stay away.
    2. If anyone is coming here to advance a viewpoint, you are welcome as long as you do it with respect and maturity.
    3. Insults, belittling and provocative words are against the spirit of this platform and will not be tolerated..
    4. No one should be bullied and abused for having a different view–and their views should be challenged withing the parameters of what they express and nothing else.

    We hope the few who are fond of distracting civil discourse will refrain and improve your debating manners.

    Thank you

    Awate Team

  • George

    Hi Ayneta

    I see you giving out advice to fellow Eritrean Blink. I read your post with interest hoping to learn new stuff. I was a disappointed. Because it seems like you either did not understand what we, blink, Mitiku, me and others are trying to tell the characters such as PAULOS[xxx], Amanel hidrat, brehe.

    Do not try to sale TPLF while at the same time putting down Eritreans. It is a pointless attempt. One that only shows the deceitful nature of Sam characters in this website. Frankly it is embarrassing. In that people who are educated are desperately trying to convince us the impossible.

    Under the guise of democracy free speech they tried to present the destructive tplf agenda. By any measure, tplf have been a very destructive organizations in the last 30 years. Look no further than what happened in Ethiopia. Hear the people that you trying to defend have been regurgitating the following things.

    1. TPLF was the sole force that defeated Derg. False

    2. Tplf of the democratic organization. False
    3. Tplf was a miracle worker in terms of economy. False.
    4. Tplf can be trusted. False
    5. Tplf have been picked on by other people. False

    As we speak and witnessed by millions TPLF has shown its shortsighted, belligerent frankly embarrassing nature by dragging the poor people of Tigray for a rally. The road to peace is simple. Leave Eritrean land. Give back Amhra land. Hand over mass murderers and robbers. ( in Ethiopia case)

    Now i believe we can have meaningful conversation.

    • Brhan

      Hi George,
      Can you ask the same questions (1 to 5) with regard to PF(JD) with true and false answers? Specially # 2, 3 ( because Nitricc informed d that Eritreans are fleeing to Tigray, Ethiopia for food)
      Let us the meaningful conversation!

  • Brhan

    Hi all,

    In our discussions, let us not forget our prisoners, specially the children. When it comes to children prisoners, many observers fear it will most definitely result in their long term mental health problems. Yesterday, I called a friend to ask him if his 13 years old is out of prison , he told me he isn’t. That poor child and others of course have been languishing in prison for the past 11 months and without any trial

    • FishMilk

      Hi Brhan. The imprisonment of any minor without just cause is unequivocally and without question a crime for which should never ever be condoned under any circumstance. My heart goes out to them and their families. It is really bothersome and PIA is clearly accountable for this atrocity.

  • Brhan

    Hi All,
    This forum was supposed to be Eritrean: host Eritrean issues in the first place. I see it now full of Ethiopian issues. And those who are reporting about Ethiopia, and by those I mean precisely Eritreans, please take your time and effort about the situation in Eritrea: The woos are numerous but to start with:
    1. We have had a thousands and thousands of prisoners of conscience, including 14 years old and below children languishing in prison without trial. Why are not talking about them
    2. Why is it that everyone wants to leave Eritrea?
    3. Why is Agelglot still infinite?
    or proof me the opposite with FACTS and by being civilized commentator/s?

    • Paulos

      Selam Brhan,

      Only three days ago alone, 520 Eritreans including mothers crossed to Ethiopia, “Enda’ba-Guna.” Go figure!

      • Nitricc

        Hi P let’s face it. Africans will go to the moon for free stuff. So, they are going to Tigray because there is a free food. It is not secret that Africans are addicted to Aid and Eritreans are no exception. The man tried to restore dignity and self reliance but at the end the African gene wins. The good news is that Eritrea will be built with few and the believer who stayed home.

        • Brhan

          Hi Nitricc,
          This is hate crime…to insult Africans….If you live in the west becareful…you can be sued on hate crime. My guess is that you are in Eritrea where there is no law, including hate crime law

          • Nitricc

            Hi Brhan; I think you are watching way too much TV. how is this crime? funny when the president of united states comes out and calls you a sh!!t hole continent it is fine when I called for what really you are it is a crime. get real dude. At least know the rules before you made a fool out of your self. Again; Africa is addicted to foreign Aid!!!!!! the END.

          • Brhan

            Hi Nitricc…Are you African? and do not be afraid in asking me how is this crime…you should know it….as our Arab neighbours say…Al Qanoon Ma Yahmi Al Muqafaleen…law can’t protect the fool

        • Mez

          Dear Nitricc,

          “….The man tried to restore dignity and self reliance….”

          1) I think you are referring by this the pia activities over the past decades, either as an enabler, in the formational stages (70/80-ies), or as the lead implementer subsquently afterwards.

          2) unfortunately at the end of the day, his action of plan almost always had an anihilative effect on people’s life prospect. 2.1) Two of those ill conceived basic policy foundations of the pia are “self reliance”, & centralized “command macroecomomic” policies.

          3) further–of all possibley needed and urgent embassy services to a country–his desire/intention to install his spying agency in another (theoretically vital) country leads one to wonder what he understands under “international law, basic principles of interplay between/among nations…”.

          3.1) officially opening a spy-office in another country may imply that the whole relationship among them is suspect, to start with.

          So general Nitricc, a fundamental soul-search and recalibration of policies is long overdue–that before a third or a quarter of the population crosses the Mereb River to the South–before unforeseen political avalanche starts to shake the nation to the core.

          Thanks

          • Nitricc

            Hi Mez; I will be glad to answer you in full and detailed but I am against time. so, to be brief; according your reasoning above; Singapore should been a failed state and should never have succeeded. Mez; it is about the people and their mentality. Any African country could be successful and free aid if they had the mentality to be free and the dignity that comes with it. In my opinion and the way I see it that Africans are confused caught between the excuse of colonization and the self-laziness. If any African country to break form this shackle is Eritrea. If the 90% of people to cross the border; we wi8ll get the job done with rest of 10% who are determined to see it through. So, right now Eritrea is in state of cleansing. As they say pain is nothing but weakness leaving the body. let the weak, the corrupt and coward leave the country. let them go!!!!

          • George

            Der Mez

            I respectfully disagree. In the 70s and 80s are also in the 90s self-reliance motto has served us Eritreans well. During the war for liberation and after. It would be a pointless and disingenuous discussion when one talks about Eritrea be it political and/ or economic without acknowledging The Unwanted interference in the domestic Affair of Eritrea from USA/EU. It has made it very very difficult on Eritrean government and ita people. Self-reliance is a noble cause. It is a process. It is the only way. Could you Enlighten us what other way we can move up? should we surrender our political and economic independence? And what we will get for it? How else is a country supposed prosper?

          • Selam

            Selamat George,

            I think the question is not whether self-reliance work for Eritrea or not. Do the Eritrean people want to have this policy? We do not know because GoE does not give a right to the people to give his idea in any form. Is self-reliance policy ever evaluated in Eritrea? No it is not because we do not have the institution that evaluates the policy.
            The answer is just give the Eritrean people the right to choose the policy for the betterment of the country and allow to have institution to evaluate the policies and optimize to fit the actual condition.
            Everybody of us a right to say about any policy, but the one chosen by the policy makers should implemented not by individual.
            You said this and that country are interfering in our internal policy. We are not living outside of this world what is happening to other countries off course will happen to as. We are not different. GoE also interfering in other countries matter. Why are you trying to present as if it happens only to us? Every country try to interfere in another country based on the geo-political or geo-economical interest. The depth of interference depend on the strength and unity of the country and also smartness of the government.
            Strength and unity is a result of economy and strong institution.
            We look outside the last 27 year now is the time to look inside.

            Have a nice day.

        • Selam

          Selamat Nitricc,

          I hope You will go and help the man to build the country.

          Have a nice day.

      • Alex

        Hi Paulos,
        Were did you get the information. There is no update on UN website reliefweb for Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia since the first wave that arrived after September 11. Could you let us your sources. Thanks

    • FishMilk

      Hi Brhan. The issues that you have mentioned above are indeed important. However, there are a few considerations: 1) Tenants and provisions of the Peace Agreement must be fully implemented to include demarcation and accordant withdrawal (ball now in the court of Ethiopia with focus on TPLF), 2) Only a few of the many posters here wish to make any effort to engage with the Eritrean Government on the issues that you have mentioned as they are either simply for all-out overthrow of the PIA/PFDJ regime or they support unionism/agaiazianism, and 3) A secure Ethiopia is in the interest of not only Eritrea but also the Horn of African and herein most commentators are willing to constantly and viciously defame, discredit and attack PMAA and to engage in conspiracy theories.

      • Haile S.

        Hi FishMilk,
        Whatever reason you mentioned here does not prevent the regime from making an opening a path to solving the problem of the nation. The opposition will not stop from asking the head of the regime. Only the regime can bring their question to a certain path that doesn’t hurt the nation, by making changes that are at its hands, if it wills and by a genuine proposal to those opposing it. The regime appears to have cut its tentacles that could have reached the different segments of our society. Its internal diplomacy is inexistant, limited to ሓፋስ ኤርትራ page filler “various dimplomatic activities conducted in this and that city by diasbora eritreans”. Its external diplomacy by the “siamese twins” who seem to be devoid of the minimal diplomatic language based on what we have seen during their first visit to Ethiopia. The crippled opposition need suggestion and help from the regime that has voluntarily crippled itself. Your third point doesn’t make sense. Are we modern day ‘biblical Job’, leaving our bare existence and livelihood for eternal salvation by working bare stomach for neighbor’s earthly salvation?

      • Brhan

        Hi Fishmillk
        “Tenants and provisions of the Peace Agreement must be fully implemented to include demarcation and accordant withdrawal (ball now in the court of Ethiopia with focus on TPLF)”
        You said the above as a Fishmilk or as an echo to the regime in Eritrea. Because the regime hardly asked that officialy ( the opposition are asking) at since the new MEDEMER era either at a national or regional or international level..correct if I am wrong with a PROOF

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Brhan.
          Dont you think the oppositions can be herd better if they become position? So based on your engagement in becoming position when do you think you or your party make sure the peace agreement implemented fully in the speed you planned. As for the opposition it has taken 27 years to com so far.

      • Selam

        Selamat FishMilk,

        The GoE/PFDJ is in the position to invite all Eritreans to engage in all issues of Eritrea, like PMAA did. We all knows what happens to those they have different ideas. Engagement can come from mutual respect and freedom of having your own idea and opinion.
        You have witnessed yourself some days a go, as you post different idea than GoE supporter. They try to label you as Weyane. With such kind of PFDJist attitude how can you engage yourself with GoE.
        Many individual and group of Eritreans tried engage themselves with the GoE , but as soon as they criticize PIA or oppose his idea, either they will land ti prison or forced to leave the country. This is a fact all we know.
        The question is how should we solve it. In my opinion reconciliation with amnesty is the better solution, Others may have the best solution. For this solution PFDJ should play a major roll to pressure IA to accept the solution, otherwise PFDJ should bring other solution. Eritrean people needs fundamental change, irrespective of from whom it comes.

        Have a nice day.

    • Selam

      Selamat Brhan,

      You are right we have a lot problem to discuss about, but what I belief is; Awate gave the platform and we should shape the theme of discussion by using our right. For example: what you have listed are a good point for discussion.

      Have a nice day.

    • Selam

      Selamat Brhan,

      I agree with your concern.
      Brhan in my opinion the question is not why this and that happen because all Eritreans know that, may be different group give different reason. The question should be why all Eritreans are not fighting for their freedom? Do majority Eritreans think about the GoE like we think? Do the majority of Eritreans believe that they are intimidated and mistreated by the GoE? Why many Eritreans after go through life threatening journey to reach western country support GoE?
      I wish to have some answer about the behavior of Eritrean society, if there is someone who studied or made a research about it recently. From those of you have psychological study back ground or scientific political study.

      Have a nice day

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Hi Selam,

        Children are taken to Sawa. They experience a very tough life. Greasy children come from Europe riding beautiful buses. They are welcomed with great honor and eat best foods in front of those who eat very poor meals with some lentils swim in water like a fish and Wadi Akkar bread. The first impression comes to Sawa child is to go to Europe. Coming from Europe is the only way to be honored and welcomed by his teachers at Sawa and those who packaged him to Sawa including his parents. After he reaches Europe certainly he will go back to be honored by his parents, packagers and teachers at Sawa. It seems a systematic way of vacating the country to be handed to Ethiopia.

        Al-Arabi

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Eritrean held bank accounts in Switzerland have all now been unfrozen.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. There is a reported increase in the number of security incidents involving Tigray owned/operated vehicles entering/leaving Tigray near the Kobo-Rare area. Additionally, security incidents involving Tigray owned/operated vehicles have started to occur on the Wach’o-Chifra road, especially in area south of K’ilawa. Again, the TPLF organised anti-PMAA demonstrations which continue to occur across Tigray region, as well as the inflammatory comments of Debretsion, are provoking anger against not only the TPLF but also Tigrayans in general. The TPLF must stop its irresponsible behavior and give up the scum-bag criminals that it is harboring! Soon, the only way for people from Tigray to travel to Addis Ababa may be by ET.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Hi FishMilk,

      Any break of CIVIL-WAR among Ethiopian ethnic groups will send Isaias directly to Hague, ICC. It appears, he is heading to sit behind IRON BARS like a baboon.

      Al-Arabi

      • Nitricc

        Al arabi; the copy one! I rather be a baboon rather than think as one. How exactly is PIA responsible for what it goes in Ethiopia? I don’t expect anything worthy from a person who names Al Arabi but you are too stupid even to simply to comment.geeeeezzzzz! what is wrong with you people?

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Hi Nitricc,

          Most probably the Baboon with its baby monkeys will visit Hague. Imagine, how will they look like behind the iron bars in front of the world? The baby monkeys voices will desperately be like: wiq wiq weyane wiq weyane and the sounds that will be heard from the baboon will be like: wotamat wohayo woyane, wonbedye, Abo nesikhum Tezarebu.

          It seems Nitricc was brought up in shanty areas where values are below zero. I don’t expect civilized behavior and constructive positive ideas from guys of such kind of backgrounds. He is a WAREHOUSE OF MALICIOUSNESS.

          Al-Arabi

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Dear Moderator,

            I think, it is better to say don’t reply when you are insulted instead of tone down. I think, I don’t suffer lack of viewpoints to refute.

            Al-Arabi

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Hi FishMilk,

      I watch with heed that you and your colleagues are doing a good job, just ignite it very well; a fire that will never be put off. I like your jogging inside Ethiopia too much. The Capo is also guiding you very well, and he knows from were to eat and become satisfied. I know, when he is full stomach, will walk like a baboon.

      Al-Arabi

    • Selam

      Selamat FishMilk.

      Thanks for the information. Is that important for us the demonstration in Tigray and what the Tigrayians said about their country. Why should we interfere about their matter, when we have enough problem.
      Please let’s stay within our own court and do our job.Our home work need much attention.

      Have a nice day.

  • Tigrayans, let them be listened or they will be listened to…..

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Interesting to note that Debretsion Gebremicheal during this past weekend’s anti-Government rallies in Tigray region, openly asserted that PM Abiy cannot be labelled as a reformist because he was presiding over chaos. Such inflammatory statements and anti-Government rallies are creating further unnecessary antagonism against not only the TPLF, but also Tigrayans in general that are participating in anti-Government rallies. and certainly making life increasingly difficult for Tigrayans living in other regions of Ethiopia. Debretsion should be arrested for inciting violence against the State. Enough is enough!

    • Brhan

      Hi FishMilk,
      If you are Ethiopian you have right to say the above if not, meaning that if you are Eritrean do not you think that this interfering in anohter country issue?

      • FishMilk

        Hi Brhan. Absolutely not in so long as TPLF continues to illegally occupy Eritrean land and to attack PMAA for which has potential security repercussions on Eritrea.

        • Brhan

          Hi FishMilk( there is no milk from fish..kidding)

          You said the above as a Fishmilk or as an echo to the regime in Eritrea. Because the regime hardly asked that officialy ( the opposition are asking) since the new MEDEMER era either at a national or regional or international level..correct if I am wrong with a PROOF

          • Haile S.

            Selam Brhan & FishMilk,

            Actually, there is a fish that produces milk (sort of) for its young called the Blue-discus, a beautiful fish BTW. The parents produce a mucoid substance that coats their body, upon which the hatched young feeds.
            Although our FishMilk is unique without pair, there is Milkfish with this name, an edible fish highly consumed in southeast Asia.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Fish.
      Debrtsion is enjoying a his right to a peaceful demonstration. It is not like Tplf time butchering demonstrates against the government. This is a true test of democray even Tplf has a right to demonstrate.

      • FishMilk

        Hi Mitiku Melesse. I agree with your point. Just a bit complicated in that Debretsion is willingly harboring those with arrest warrants. But again, your point is well taken.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei, Fish.
          Bishop Debertsion reduced himself to a common coordinator of demonstrations rather than focusing on leading his ‘spiritual’ comrades. One of his slogans i fall in love is ‘respect the constitution’.

    • Selam

      Selamat FishMilk,

      With due respect again don’t we (Eritreans) have our problem. Whether to arrest or send to hell Debretsion is Ethiopian people business not our. Why should we worry about them rather than ours. Is that a deliberate diversion of attention from our problem or do you really concern more abut Tigray people rather than Eritrean.

      Have a nice day.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. ‘TPLF implicated in violence in the name of “Kimant Identity” group’
    ‘Ethiopia lost $US 36 billion in illicit financial flows in the last 27 years’

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Fish.
      The tplfs moved to Mogadishu in light speed to install alshababa president. That 36 billion dollars must be invested to put the three thousands Axumite kingdom back to its epicenter. Tigray has crowned the new King by the name King Debretsion blessed by the Tplf bishop Mathiwos. So the three thousands history of kingship has been made to continue with a bit hiccup and confusions of 44 years. We were great we shall be great.

  • Blink

    Dear Ayneta and Girmay
    You are right, I should apologize to him . There is no hate to anything what I said about weyane leadership is facts that can be supported by evidence. So don’t take it as if I am just making against them . I never said Dergi was በላዕቲ ክልተ ጻሕሊ or deceitful because Mengistu was very clear about his actions. Remember also the guy in your defense has been using filthy words against and he never apologized , so why aren’t you fair? Can I have the right to suspect you ?

    Girmay Tigray is 4000 years old as per General teklebrhan so don’t make it 3000. Second I am saying TPLF not the people of Tigray which is big difference.

  • Abraham H.

    Dear George, first, I really don’t need the approval of George to tell me who I’m. “TPLF has caused untold sufferings to Eritreans…”; I would say what your PFDJ has done to the Eritrean people in terms of damage, there is no parallels in their history and it will take genrations to redress. It is the same game that DIA-slaves like you keep peddling, to draw away attension form the crimes of DIA and his apparatus on the Eritrean people, putting the blame on others for your utter failures to bring any change to the better. To be frank with you, I would rather be associated with the Weyanes than with the good for nothing DIA-PFDJ. The Weyanes have trasformed Ethiopia economically, politically, and socially to such a degree that some PFDJ diehards were shocked to witness the transformation. That was a rude awakening for them and many other Eritreans who finally could cross the border towards Ethiopia. On the other hand, you have the totally useless and inept DIA, who destroyed what was already there in Eritrea let alone bring new development. BTW, what happened to you; weren’t you crying about the border demarcation, when you witnessed DIA be cheered in Ethiopia? And now one of the PFDJ dogs-Elias Amare is telling you on your face to forget about the border as it has been demarcated already. What shameless souls!

    • George

      Dear Abraham

      Congratulations! I’m glad you’re able to come out of your closet. I’ll be the first to congratulate you on your first coming out tplf Cadre. I usually don’t drink but I’m going to go ahead and drink on your behalf. again I like to salute you for your bravery 🙂 you see, it wasn’t hard. I knew sooner or later the Woyane that you are will be exposed. no. You are exposed blessed discussed the real issue here.

      1. Eritrea wants peace. Your tplf talks on both side of their mouth.

      2. If you want to proof, which I doubt you do because you are one tplf listen to your leaders one minute to talk peace another the very next minute they talk War.

      3. Yes, we want border demarcated. But with a trusted partner. One we can do “business with”

      4. Woyane economic miracle. It is not. Sir by any measure considering the amount of money that went through their hand it is a complete disaster. Every inch of the road was built by Chinese. Those infrastructures will have to be paid back. With interest. You have a population time bomb. Land degradation. Ethnic conflict. Yes some people may be excited about Condominiums that is no progress buddy. TPLF legacy misery and disaster. Listen to the German economy minister. “Meles pop the wrong understanding of the economy”

      I believe was you coming out and shaking off your pretentious. Our future debate would be more productive. You see it wasn’t that hard.

  • Blink

    Dear Girmay
    Instead of spewing your lies here you can actually help your deceitful cadre by advising them to face the reality, so my question is , Why don’t help your Tigrians to carry a proper Sudanis President picture with the correct Sudanese flag . ናይ ወያነ ሽርሕን ጉርሕን ሎሚ ዝመጸ ኣይኮነን ናይ ቀደምኩም እዩ . ኣንቱም ስረቕቲ ብምጥራር ዝሐመመ ኣእምረኹም ስብ ንብረቱ ክእክብ ከሎ እዩ ዓጽ ዓጽ ዝብለኩም .

  • Blink

    Dear Readers
    Are you guys reading the forum especially from a known weyane defenders, seriously, I mean seriously what’s wrong with these people? The retarded know it all guy is giving advice to weyane about one tweet by a PFDJ cadre . This retarded is calling weyane to note UN and show the words of bad tone of ISSIAS cadre .

    The guy can say everything just as the debreseytan is doing and still be counted as mr Dr. made in Mekele , The Sunday protest was arranged by weyane cadre by nocking on every poor Tigrians door and it was all about pls save us we come from addis with criminals with us .

    Weyane security apparatuses killed over 20,000 young Ethiopians in past 14 years leaving countless children without fathers and mothers . The one reason addis has so many children begging on every street is the result of weyane killers .

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Dear Blink.
      Tplf has hundred and one paid cyber warriors. A former cadre had said that Tplf used to have 50 paid tplf tugs to write propaganda in addition to the formal propaganda of the so called federal media monitor. These ones ever write to opposition news papers and pages pretending any common citizen. Think of the poorest of the poor getting paranoid not to loose what they looted. It is not easy to be Tplf.

    • Girmay

      Hi dear Blink and George, it is very interesting to read spam like messages. All ways boring and predictable. You see if you are PIA followers the safest and easy to do is hide from reasoning.
      George and Blink day and night externalize the incompetence of their leader and their intellectuals. George and Blink never dare to ask questions such as where is PIA taking us this time?
      PIA , George and blink are getting high on their dream to subjugate Tigray. But you must understand that Tigray has the stamina of 3000 years. Tigray doesn’t want problems with Eritreans but PIA and his puppies can try. We already have figured out an alliance to neutralize his oil kings. PIA and his intellectuals are always in the buisness of understimating and misculaculating.
      You see PIA is playing with fire. He is addicted to misculation. George and Blink are addicted to be blind followers.
      When will Eritrea be ruled by reason?
      George in regards to Tigreans using South Sudan flag and Bashir picture, they just want to see if George knows his flags without googling .lol
      George in regards to Tigreans copying Eritrean singers, I hope Eritrea can produce singers like Abraham Afeworki and I will be proud of Tigreans singers if they copy them. George, what do you have to say of Helen Meles copying Beyonce style dancing and the other guy copying Micheal Jackson clothing. I jope Tigrean singers dont copy them.
      I am not worried about Tigreans copy Eritrean singers I am more worried about both Tigrean and Eritrean singers dressing in gettho style clothing and earing and mixing Tigringa and rap. I hope nobody buys their CD.
      George and Blink, your PIA is telling you Tigray is isolated and nobody will support her. I will not spill the beans but here is the hint think of the geopolitics of the middle East, and while PIA and Abie were hugging Tplf pulled one of its deadliest structure in Tigray. If it was revealed Abie and PIA would be crying now. We should see the next stage. Blink and George keep singing funny and predictable songs.

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei Girmay,
        I am afraid by your message. Though your main goal is to scare Blink but you may terrify the Eritrean government by your facts. Long live King Debretsion, hurrah hurrah!

      • Blink

        Dear Girmay
        How much do you get paid from this all defense to weyane?

  • Paulos

    Selam My Good People,

    One of Isaias’ cadre, Amare put out the following in his tweeter:

    “It is not our concern if the (deliberately) obtuse can not grasp the “game” in #Gameover4TPLF & keep shouting “border”, “border”…The #Eritrea-Ethiopia border has long been delimited and demarcated as per the Algiers and EEBC. Our peace & sovereignty is secure. What remains is the total destruction of the #TPLF cancer, which is inevitable. That’s the Game.”

    We don’t need another war. We need peace. Through civil discourse, anything and everything can be solved.

    • David Samson

      Selam Paul,

      Wait until IA puts his foot soldiers on the wrong foot again. Poor souls!

      Neither IA nor his foot soldiers have the capability to destroy anyone, let
      alone TPLF. TPLF fate is decided by the politics within the Ethio dynamics.

      I personally would not read too much on it.

      • Paulos

        Selam David,

        First of, the guy can not put out a terse statement which is otherwise inflammatory without the directives of Isaias or Yemane. As such, it is a clear policy Isaias is harbouring towards Tigrai-TPLF. I think, the Tigrai state has to notify the UN about the clear tone of aggression. Second, if Abiy opts to keep silent when it’s party member is under a real threat, his silence may mean a lot of things including approval. This is a high-tech ዘመነ መሳፍንት!

        • David Samson

          Selam Paul,

          My reading is slightly different to yours. The change in Ethiopia came about because of Ethiopia’s political dynamics; IA had no say on it. By the same token, any future change will be shaped by the main players within Ethio politics. IA is a spoiler and wants to be seen as the main actor, but deep down his knows that he was about to die like a rotten egg in AdiHalo. This phony chap happens to be lucky to survive for over 50-years— call it fate or fluke.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam David S., don’t you think that PM Abiy and co. are opening the door wide for the Eritrean dictator to meddle in the internal affairs of Ethiopia? There is no doubt that the prime minister, his Oromo and Amara cohorts do feel weaker in terms of real military power relative to the TPLF that they are trying to rally the Eritrean dictator on their side; something DIA is more than willing to oblige?

          • Safaee Michael Binieam

            Selam Abraham I doubt they have the miltary strength to challenge the federal army. The government is aware of how deeply entrenched the party is in tigray and the strong patrotic sentiments of Tigrayans to try to forcibly create puppet leaders. So its trying to weaken them through incirclement (in which IA comes in) and through politically motivated charges of corruption and human rights abuse to bring down their influence.

            Backed against the wall Tigray is left with its last weapon, article 39. And my hunch is the goverment will try to find some reason to amend it very soon. I believe this one of the reasons for the ‘respect the constitution’ rally.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Sefaee M., I don’t think the government would dare to try amending the Article 39, as it is central in the right of the nations and nationalities of Ethiopia to have the right to cecede if they so choose. It is a kind of a control mechanism within the federal arrangement so that no ethnic comes that takes the rights and autonomy of other peoples to govern themselves as they please. But I don’t think Tigray would invoke the article now as they could benefit far more in united Ethiopia than a separate nation even with the current problems which are only temporary, hopefully.

          • Paulos

            Selam Safaee,

            I agree. If the center of gravity can not hold, Tigreans do not have any other choice except make use of the Article 39 before it is knocked out of the Constitution.

            The argument that TPLF doesn’t represent the Tigrean people is rendered moot where it’s popularity among the Tigreans has never been any stronger. The larger issue then is the question: What works for Ethiopia? Monarchy was tried, it didn’t work. Military government was tried and it didn’t work. And finally, Electoral Democracy in tandem with Developmental State and Ethnic based Federalism was tried and it is not working. If they can not live in harmony with each other under a common vision, partying ways could be the only option.

            Thing is though, if Axumite civilization or kingdom is in Tigrai and the epicenter that gave Africa tremendous pride is in Tigrai as in the “Battle of Adwa”, what else will be left for Ethiopia if Tigrai seceded?

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Do you really think Article 39 is a realistic alternative? It would be a Somaliland expect slightly bigger than Swaziland. Somaliland had a lot more going for it and look where it is.

            For it to be viable, it would have to
            – join with Eritrea, destroying Eritrea’s cultural and religious balance and effectively creating an Agazian state which would trigger a new generation of instability in Eritrea;
            – and/or tear or take along some or all of the Afar region;
            – or joiin with Sudan – a sharia state while carrying a devout christian population

            None of these promise peace or prosperity for the region in the coming years. And more importantly, it would just be a small useless state that others find useful as a regional irritant and a pawn. It promises nothing but misery for Tigrayans.

            This is just a geriatric temper tantrum.

            Amde

          • Blink

            Dear Amde
            I have a comment made by you long time ago and never fade away , in that comment you said “ you talked one old guy and this man told you that shewa and Eritrean highlanders are going to gang up to rule in both countries , the bad thing about that comment was you said you didn’t advance the discussion with the old man” , this was before even the protesters in Oromo or Amhara region started . Now as the Amhara are going all full gas plus the Oromo. I wonder if you by chance can dig deep and share where was this conversation?

            By the way Tigray without Ethiopia means just more refugees going to Gonder and Asmara as Afar regional administrations are already on the Medemer side . Second there is no a single chance they can take a single piece of land from Eritrea.

          • Amde

            Selam Blink,

            The “Shewa enna Hamassien melisew yigeTmalu” conversation was with an old Hailesellasie era minister, who has since passed away. So I can’t say that conversations can be advanced any more haha.. It was in the context of the post Badme era where TPLF and PFDJ had become sworn enemies. By then TPLF had been going full bore for a decade or so – destroying whatever it saw as any remnants of Shewan power and influence. So on the face of it I could see how that could be feasible, but i was skeptical since we were no longer talking about northern Ethiopian power struggles but an issue between sovereign states. Now – perhaps one can think of it as a framework for regional politics.

            Was it Semere T who articulated a position that Eritrean stability is inversely related to how close the center of Ethiopian political power is to the Eritrean border? That articulation explains Isayas’ love affair with Abiy, and Mahmuday’s recently re-ignited love for Isayas. (Even if Isayas is doing it primarily to fulfill his selfish reasons). If that is true, Abay Tsehay’s embarrassing begging performance and the whole Article 39 song and dance show the TPLF old-timers have learned nothing even after 27 years at the helm of Ethiopia. Isayyas and PFDJ intend to make Tigray into a weakened buffer zone between Asmara and Addis Ababa. An “independent state” will be an even more convenient buffer zone that can be easily sabotaged and controlled. But TPLF old timers apparently still believe the “blood is thicker …” argument will eventually hold sway. That practically makes them Agazianists.

            That old man was a Tigrayan himslef and detested the ethnic federation model, and insisted we would have been better off with the previous provinces and build on that. Whether the Amara and Oromo can be equated to “Shewa” – I don’t know. There is still a lot that has to settle. But I am a firm believer that there are recurring historical demographic and geographic logic for a strong Ethiopian state centered in the densely populated highlands and those periodically re-assert themselves. This new iteration may not be called Shewa but Abiy’s vision is pretty clearly both new and also very much classic.

            Amde

          • Blink

            Dear Amde
            I thank you sir for many things , what would many of us do if you were with the weyane defenders . Again thanks for the splendid replay.

            Yes it was Semere Tesfai who said like you put it.Again thanks , happy new year 2019 in advance Incase you didn’t show up like these days .

          • Paulos

            Hey Capo Amde,

            Great to see you back. I actually thought Abiy gave you some sort of Portfolio to oversee. You should see me laughing at “geriatric temper tantrum.” We miss you bro.

            I say, they will be better off having it on their own as opposed to living in a perpetual tension with the major ethnic groups. Let them have it if they wish to be left alone and only time will tell if they are going to be a pawn with no use what so ever or if they are going to make it big. Remember, Dergue and others underestimated them before…

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            I was extremely busy but did occasionally look in.

            That portfolio idea… hmmm… may not be too bad. But I can assure you I am still very much an American corporate cog. So far I am very thrilled with Abiy and where we are. Just comparing the news headlines and mood in the country from a year ago is just unbelievable.

            I feel like I have written about how I could see all this coming. The ethnic federation model is really bad for Tigray and any other smaller groups. It rewards the larger ones over time with an accummulation of power and wealth. It doesn’t help that TPLF at core cared more about the idea of a Tigray nation that is halfway out of the federation, than in creating an Ethiopia that was hospitable to Tigrayans in all corners of the country. Unfortunately we now have to deal with a previously non-existent Amara Nationalism and a very much energized Oromo Nationalism for at least the next generation. The irony is that the federation is working now closer to the way it is designed – and the OroMara political idea was exactly what the system as designed could be predicted to create and here we are..

            Was it Napleaon who said a General always fights like the last time he won a victory? My feeling is the old timers are not only completely clueless, but they feel they know what is going on and are confidently making suicidal decisions. As a society, we are not so good at self-reflection, but they must know almost every thing that has happened and is happening is a result of policies they put in place.

            They got Tigray and Tigrayans into a ditch – what is there to suggest they have the smarts or judgement to make any better or rational decisions going forward? This Article 39 idea is just vanity to have written on their tombstone while the next generation of Tigrayans have to deal with its consequences.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            Decolonize ethiopia from one ethnic group and rebuild it again from scratch was and still is the ideology of eprdf, no? I think now they finished decolonization and start building the new ethiopia, no?

          • Amde

            Teodros,

            Well that is what we were told – free Ethiopia from Amara National Oppression.

            Have you heard of the 80 – 20 rule?

            I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that 80% of what TPLF does and has done can be explained by “they hate the Amara”.

            Everything else was just fancy words for a power grab.

            Please note that all that has really happened is that OPDO has replaced TPLF at the top spot. If EPRDF was an equal coalition, the administration breakdowns we see throughout the land would not happen since the component parties would run their region. But since these structures were built and run by the TPLF throughout, now there is paralysis at the lower levels until it is clear who the new boss is and what the new rules are.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            There is no question tplf policy is driven by hate to amara than the wellbeing of tigrai. But do u believe the rhetoric that say tplf was only rulers of the previous gov? If so what happen now, i mean how did they lost it? What about the economy impact of it?
            From what i understand, ever misery in ethiopia that been going on for the last 27 years is the result of eprdf ideology that say decolonization from amara and build the new ethiopia. That is the main reason for ethnic to ethnic conflicts every where in ethiopia and they r behind it, even now they r behind most of the conflict. And that is part of thier building the new ethiopia from scratch.
            I know it sounds crazy but that is how i see it.

          • Amde

            Selam Tedros,

            Well, every system needs collaborators. So the system was more EPRDF with TPLF at the top. Those at the bottom get rewarded with how well they met the ambitions of whoever was on top. You remember Lemma talking to investors who have to make payments to “Godfathers” and “Networks”. That was how the system functioned. In a way it is not unique to Ethiopia – when you have officials who don’t have to fear the voters or the law, they will do whatever they want. And their seniors allow them because they are needed to protect the interests of the networks.

            Such a system does not need ethnicity per se..- a party or coalition crying “Ethiopia! Ethiopia!!” could be just as corrupt.

            The ethnicity part just allowed many such official/criminals to hide behind their “nation/nationality”.

            But the ethnicity part absolutely is responsible for the millions of internal dislocations.

            On the local disturbances being agitated by EPRDF cadres – I think that is a lot to that but competition for farmland also seems be a factor. I have said before that Abiy’s promise of democratization and reduction of ethnicity as a focus of political organization and competition is likely to get it’s hardest opposition from the teens of thousands of EPRDF functionaries who are scared for their future and also about the threat of possible accountability they face. It is a miracle things are going as well as they are to be honest, but still by most reports the lower level of governments (run by these functionaries) are either resistant to change or have stopped. What Abiy and Lemma can promise them is an open question, but there must be carrots and sticks. It is likely to be worse by the time election rolls around.

            It is crazy when I heard that the Ethiopian Median age is 18. That means 50mln children in Ethiopia and even Meles Zenawi is an irrelevance to them let alone Menelik. I think Abiy thoroughly gets the challenge.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam amde
            My point is
            1, decolonie ethiopia ethnics from amara(ethnic policy) came from tplf but it’s implementation was done by all eprdf members party spacially by andm,
            2, i personally know when tplf splitted in to two the andm groups(bereket, addisu and tefera) was the one giving order for “seye” group to be arrested.
            3, look at deber brehine, bahir dar, dessie and even debertabore, it don’t look like andm was just a collaborators.
            4,the medias, eprdf supporters medias or pretending opposition medias have one thing in common
            When it comes to amara they makes it look like ugly, downgrade it ,skip it or show only the bad side and for other ethnics they do the opposite, they did this is not because of thier age is 18 but a deliberate policy to changing the mindset .
            5, in my opinion what they did was , after protest all over the country, they decided to shorten the decolonization and build process out side of the fixed plan and move on to the next level .

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Amde ( trust me I am way younger 🙂 )

            Great to hear from you and very much value your take.

            Maybe one or two points which needs emphasis regarding the disturbances: in addition to inherent resource and administrative tensions, I would not rule out the federal state going into regions forcing loyalty as a means of consolidating power using the activists network and experience. Consolidating power is not a bad thing by itself. OPDO may have (should have) credible intelligence that smaller regions are loyal to TPLF than the federal state which needs to be fixed. The question remains what would they do with the new consolidated power? And the means ( pretty violent in the Southern region, Somali & Benshangul ) is worrisome.

            If the new power is committed for an acceptable election as you mentioned; would be the most ideal. Anything less; specially undermining the working constitution to justify a presidential system etc…is scary.

            Cheers,

          • Paulos

            Amde,

            Fair points. What do you think is the best way forward for the nation?

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            If I were TPLF. I would be on the medemer wagon very loudly and very publicly. It is tricky since change means they are the ones getting changed out – but still they need to realistically think it through.

            The biggest long term issue from my point of view is the cementing of Oromo and Amara nationalisms as the primary drivers of politics. We have new generations brought up on it as the exclusive means of political organization, and our demographics are such that politics is baked in to the advantage of the two largest ones. There is a reason why Jawar is happy to support the ethnicity principle and Tigray as is, while at the same time congratulating every new demand for a Killil in the south. He is clever enough to know when they fragment they are easy pickings for a single Oromiya

            Instead of arguing about the unconstitutionality of the new “borders” commission, TPLF need to accept the principle that ethnicity is just one criteria for the organization of an administrative adminstrative territory. Long term goal should be more regions closer to the size of Tigray.

            They need to make peace with the Amara. It boggles my mind that Gonder and Tigray are at war in this day and age. The same with the Raya.. if they are smart Tigray may diminish territorially but they should increase the number of neighbors who will at the end of the day be friendly once issues are resolved. They should make a big scene and issue about the whole reconciliation process with the Amara. Ten years from now most of the old men at the helm of TPLF will probably be dead or senile, but this is the worst time bomb they are leaving to the next generation

            They should also support multi-partyism, and actually support the success of national parties within Tigray. Yes that means them losing some need power, buy they need to have other politicians speak for Tigrayan constituencies at the national and other levels.

            You have no idea how destructive it is to witness Abay Tsehay’s slavish throwing himself at the mercy of Isayas but saying nothing about the need to make peace along the Tekezze.

            It really requires a generational shift by the front – even as a symbolic political patricide.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Thank you Amde.

          • Selam Amde,

            Welcome back.
            Tplf came with hate, arrogance, ignorance and an insatiable greed. They felt invincible and they humiliated others and succeeded to make an enemy out of every ethiopian except the very few, and they believed they could rule forever with too much stick and very little carrot. It is indeed a big truth when it is said that people can forget everything but not how they were made to feel, and tplf was ignorant to this fact.

            Referring to one ethnic group as the ‘golden people’, thus insinuating the rest are made of silver and bronze, and the rhetoric ‘what is axum to a welayta’ as if the whole area was uninhabited except the small enclave of tigray, and no one else participated in this ancient civilization that ruled such a big area of the ancient world, is simply irresponsible to say the least.

            The 1998 invasion by shabia, showed us how vulnerable tplf’s power was. It had to beg the ‘derg army’ as it called it, to come and fight for tigray, and after ethiopians paid the ultimate price in their tens of thousand, it turned around and declared business is going to remain as usual, i.e. no democracy, no human rights, no equality, etc..

            They cry foul, and they talk of unconstitutionality, and tplf’s constitution is not respected, the same constitution that they never respected themselves and used it for territorial expansion, bad governance, kleptocracy, to commit crimes, etc.. Now, they refer to it simply because it is handy to use the constitution when it finds itself between a rock and a hard place. Was it constitutional to kill, incarcerate, torture and embezzle public money? If so, who wants such a constitution except tplf?

            Cornered and hopeless as it is under the weight of its crimes, it chose to fall fighting and do as much harm as it can to ethiopia and the people of tigray. The rest of ethiopians, and much more the people of tigray, will not allow tplf to take them to the abyss.

            Finally, they have no other choice but to compromise and ask for some sort of leniency from the federal government for their criminals. They can do nothing else. Whatever they try to do, it will have a boomerang effect, the final conclusion being its demise. The people of tigray will force tplf to compromise for the sake of peace and their economic well-being, etc. Independence without resource, and at odds with others on all sides, will bring stagnation (political, economic, social), and we may see eritrea under pfdj repeated in tigray under tplf.
            “ከወደቁ በኋላ መንፈራገጥ፣ ለመመላለጥ፣”

          • Ismail AA

            Selam gashe Amde,

            Man, you have been missed for quite a time. I am a bit late looking through the exchanges on the ongoing developments in Ethiopia. So, I would like to cut to cut this to posing a question on an issue that caught my attention duty to its implication to the future: the Oromo and Amhara nationalism at present and future. Here, thus, the question: though the current comity and cooperation can be comprehended in context common enmity to the TPLF, how do think the two would fit in the future political and governance set up? Since you take them as dominant two demographically, who would do you think would take the driving seat? Do you think, demographical again, the Amhara would settle for second place role in the overall affairs of the country? Would they be liberated from the nostalgia of imperial legacy in the form of governance system? Perhaps, a footnote to this: given the demographic element in politics is a variable rather than constant, how would you distribute the other components in the country

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            Let me veer off track and try to put the current otherwise engaging discussion in a larger context.

            As you well know, Ethno-Nationalism, after seventy years of repose is making a come back particularly in Central Europe as in Hungary including in Poland, Netherlands and Austria to mention but a few. Experts claim that the trigger point to have been the Euro crisis, the 2008 financial crisis and most of all the refugee issue that has thus far engulfed—close to one million refugees in Europe since 2011.

            If there is any philosophical underpinnings to the Ethno-Nationalism, one cannot help it but dig deeper into the nature of the conundrum and finds the crux of the matter in “Identity Politics” instead.

            “Who Am I” is the deep and existential question all of us at some point in our lives face as we try to find a meaningful role and place in the society we live in. As much as we are unique in our own ways and the way we see the world is distinct from the rest of us, the question of identity takes the center stage in our lives. Then, the question becomes, who can provide the answer for us? The society or the state? What if the society we live in doesn’t reflect the values and norms and most importantly doesn’t correspond with the fundamental things we hold dear?

            Consider this: *Gebre is born into a farmer family. He was raised in an environment where his surroundings are limited in scope and change as well. The same farm, the same livestock, and the same people from birth till he graduated into adulthood. His parents select a wife for him and he becomes a farmer like his father with the same norms and values including his understanding about the world in general. In his world, the existential question, “Who Am I” loses any meaning precisely because he was given all the answers to his questions from the society he lives in way before if ever the question crosses his mind.

            But suppose, Gebre leaves his parents farm and moves to a metropolitan city. He finds himself in a strange world among people with different values and norms including ambitions in life as well. When Gebre poses the question to himself, he will be inclined to find people who share his language, values, tradition and collective resentment as well. Before he knew it, the question morphs from “Identity Politics” to “Ethnic Politics.”

            Great societies, Canada for instance, found a way out when they enacted effective public policy with relatively equal income redistribution including diversity and multiculturalism as a bedrock and pride of the society where ethnic politics loses any meaning.

            The choice is rather simple. Ethiopian leaders can capitalize on the upside of the multiethnic nature of the Ethiopian society and find a common vision as in unity in diversity or like other failed states, they can take the nation into the path of ethnic division by attacking one and praising the other.

            *The example was taken from Fukuyama’s book, “Identity Politics.” Of course in it, the author uses “Hans” a German farmer as an example. More over, he goes over and tries to trace the nature of “Identity Politics” in the works of Plato, Rousseau and Hegel among others.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Paulos,

            I heard interview of Jawar yesterday. Now I know why Horizon, Amde and everyone against TPLF point of view.

            I think he seems to explain the situation rather nicely, assuming what he said is all accurate.

            Basically what he said is, since Melles has passed away, the TPLF had lost a leader (individual / collective)and now are in disarray. Since his death, Getachew Asefa has been the defecto leader and he was leading with absolute terror. He tried all he can to quash the uprising by the Oromo youth to no avail, including heinous crime.

            Now he is wanted by the federal government and he is hiding in Tigray. TPLF leaders does not seem / willing to hand him over.

            What he also said is, TPLF leaders are sending mixed signals and confusing the Tigray people and are using them to protect their interests (leaders) investments in Addis. They did nothing for the people of Tigray all the time they were in power (according to him).

            He also said the recent unrest that were happening in Somali region, Afar region, including in Addis are the making of Getachew and his network. He goes further and accuse him of the recent demonstration in Somalia against the president.

            We have been learning the problems the Eritrean opposition have faced under TPLF and specially Getachew / Security portifolio. Specially SGJ have been calling for the Ethiopian leaders to pass the file to the Foreign minister from the security / intelligent office. Which makes all this accusation to the guy credible in my opinion.

            What I am trying to say is, may be the problem is within few leaders of TPLF and if the guy is handed over and brought to court, most of TPLF issue becomes non issue.

            Berhe

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhe,

            Well, I don’t take the guy Johar serious much less to listen to his interview. And to be frank with you, the stuff he said in the interview you mentioned sounds a heap of conspiracy theory to me. Respectfully.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulo,

            I only suggested so that you may have different perspective (I certainly didn’t). But I think he knows really what he is talking about at least looking at his / his people interests goes.

            To me this whole notion of “we will go our separate ways” is really mind bogging and they will lead to their people unmeasured suffering.

            Sudan will be at the mercy / support of the Ethiopian central government specially if Nile dam is build. Eritrea will be at the side / mercy of the Central Ethiopian government. There is no love lost with Somalia and TPLF. And if they can’t not build alliance with the people of Afar and Amhara region, I think is really, really difficult position they are putting themselves in. Even if there is a confrontation (using force) they should just use it in defensive mode. Their access to the powers to be is literally shutdown if they are not in power in Addis. No US, Russia, China, Arab, EU including African countries would be willing to sacrifice Ethiopia for the benefit of TPLF leaders.

            Instead, I think, let the majority, Amhara / Oromo fight it out the political aspects and develop Tigray in a unique and important ways within Ethiopia proper. And they can do so by having good relationship with Eritrea, Sudan, Afar and Amhara region immediately and there after. The Tigray people will not need to have or care who is in power in Addis as long as they have relative peace to do what they need to do with what they have.

            This exercise should just be they were thrown out of power using the democratic process they created (part of) and someone body else is in power. now and time to move on.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; you said ” may be the problem is within few leaders of TPLF and if the guy is handed over and brought to court, most of TPLF issue becomes non issue.”
            No! it will be the greatest problem. If Getachew goes then every one goes down. there is a reason they can’t give him up. He knows about every TPLF crook. Why do you think Deretsion changed his mind. He was ready to give every federally wanted persons but when know what Getcahew Asefa knows; he decided to keep Getachew Asefa and fight to the end. TPLF will never give up Getachew Asefa never!!!

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,

            You have with cognizable erudition set an engaging matter in proper socio-political discourse. You have captured the essence and dimension when you dealt with it in the context of conceptually and practically developed societies, namely, representative examples in the societies of Europe. I am talking about intellectual and socio-cultural and concomitant material advancements which post-colonial and imperial societies did not get to experience. So, you are right in relating the issue of social identity and its extension to political and governance dimension in the light of challenges the European Union and its member states are facing. After all Westphalia and post 1648 West European did not mean in core essence streamlining of the question of identities in nation-state systems to resolve endless contradictions over limited resources anchored on land and territorial frontiers.

            Close look in to the current identities problems or challenges as you have mentioned in our region, and regions elsewhere passing through similar social and economic setups under emerging (not yet consummated) nation-state formatitons in its post Westphalia model, draw attention to the problems underpinning the fermenting crises in many EU member states. The developing events in France and other countries indicate relapse, in perhaps advanced social and economic frameworks as compared to the environments we dealing with in our region, to issues of identities though framed in matters of economic and access to resources sovereign rights. Brexit and similar referendum demanding (read: self-determination) movements in other countries like Holland are telling instances in essence.

            Now, focussing the trajectory, which these amateurish thoughts form, to the specifics you have raised in Ethiopian – and by relevant extension Eritrean – situation, it can be argued that they cannot be conceptually framed independent of the political and social historical experiences the nation-state formations have gone through on the bedrock the Westppalia model had provided.

            What the introdction of ethnic identity based federal governance model in Ethiopia tell us is that the cut and past facade of the Westphalia nation-state model on parochial-cum-feudal kingdom of Ethiopia had failed, and released the energy of suppressed identities in the form of political and ethnic resistance movements. The TPLF, OLF and several others were practical reflections of the collapse of i that mperial state. The successor junta regime under the guise of socialist ideological garb could not preserve the Westphalia part of the state.

            If we were to look at the condition in 1991 subsequent to the collapse of that edifice from neutral vantage point, the EPRDF had no space for trying options. It was either to proceed as its predecessors did, and fight on against the unleashed identity assertion movements that meant disintegration of the coalition and the country sliding to chaos and disintegration or opting an accommodative formula, which saw the light as ethnic federal arrangement. How distribution of power and resources within that arrangement had gone being another matter, in my judgement the formula had worked to save Ethiopia from impending implosion at the time.

            The experience of the past decades had demonstrated consummation or maturation of ethnic federation model to a more accommodative nation-state structure under balanced governance framework guided by consented federal constitution and functional state institutions overseeing fair representation and distribution of wealth and rights did not make reasonable progress. That is why it had faced challenges from identities that wanted to assert their positions. The emergence of Dr. Abij and with him the Oromo component in the coalition is an expression of the point I am trying to drive home.

            Now, what should be closely watched is to which direction developments shall move. The first issue is whether much discussed convergence of part of the Oromo and major segment of Amhara elites would be able to re-make history by ending the ethnic identity based experience and reverting to old and failed Westphalia model. But, the most pressing question now is how far will the ephemeral anti-TPLF sentiment based comity of the current Oromo and Amhara with in the ERRDF front sustain. The test is whether Abij and Lemma Megersa will survive within their broader Oromo constituency. Moreover, the non-Oromo and non-Amhara social and cultural components are not getting attention in the debate.

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Ismael,

            You are always very generous with your welcoming tone and piercing insight. I wish there was a way I could ask you to stop calling me Gashe because you are old enough to be my father I think.

            To your question.

            I don’t think one wins over the other. There are perhaps many on both sides who can’t wait to split off and firm their own country but they all face the same issues:
            – too poor;
            – no appetite in the world for an additional state in the horn;
            – political greed in the sense that once you head a larger entity than just yours, you tend to want to keep it; and (related to this)
            – the world rewards you for the “premium” of heading a large entity (reason why TPLF stayed on for so long).
            So, on balance I see the country staying together irrespective of whoever “wins” whatever it means.

            It is interesting that Jawar is supporting giving Amaras resident in Oromiya to have representation with the Oromiya Parliament. This is one of the demands of the new Amara nationalist parties – this tells me Amara and Oromo nationalists are quite capable of striking mutually beneficial to deals that could sidetrack other smaller communities.

            If you ask me today, I see most of the energy on the Oromo nationalist side. For most of them the only thing left on their agenda is how to make Addis Ababa an Oromo city. Not only is it symbolically important, it also account for about 40 something percent of the country’s economy. I expect it to remain a flash point as long as there is a single political entity called Oromiya.

            Beyond that, there is a much larger diversity within the Oromo so I expect more differentiation among the Oromo as compared to the Amara. But that is long term.

            I think the big unknown is the promise of competitive electoral democracy. Abiy is trying to change the terms of political competition from being around ethnicity. Right now, an ambitious politician gets most bang for his buck by accentuating differences – which according to our constitution are those around ethnicity. In asking parties to merge into three or four national ones, Abiy is trying to create a pathway for ambitious politicians to organize and compete in a way that actually rewards them for integration rather than differentiation. What will be the outcome of that is unknown – I can see for example a national peasant’s party having a huge powerbase but this is such an obvious thing that I am sure it would have been seen all over Africa.

            My feeling is that the next election will see consolidation of Oromo parties both to maximize Oromo gains and also to defend against being labelled sellouts to the nationalist cause. Probably the same for the new Amara parties —their rhetoric against Ethiopianists like me are almost indistinguishable from that of Oromo nationalists.

            Once in Parliament then it is a matter of coalition building. Whatever emerges out if that is crucial. If it is just a coalition of strong Amara and Oromo nationalists, they will have no interest and incentive in bringing more power to the center so the drift away from the center will continue within the parameters of what economic and geopolitical realities allow. If a more diverse coalition is built, they will probably bring in more power to the center just to forestall the OroMara hegemony.

            If however all this nationalist energy does not get channelled through electoral politics we are truly screwed.

            Ask me again in a couple of years. God bless Abiy is all I can say.

            Amde

          • Ismail AA

            Selam dear Amde,

            Thank you for your worthy input despite the severity of time constraint. Many, and I have reason to complain your absence from this forum. As you can see I stopped addressing you Gashe. Actually, am glad that you are younger because your country and people need citizens like you with foresight and articulation. Let us hope things will take course that will unite the peoples of Ethiopia so that they could have peace and respite to develop their economy and political life.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Amde,
            The points you touched upon interested me to comment.
            Since the coming of Michael Sehul and the start of the Zemene Mesafnt and tigray’s rise to certain independence, Tigray leaders have always felt a certain privilege to power (no doubt nostalgic) on Ethiopia that they never had before that, save for the Axumite empire whose geography and history, though centered in Axum, is BTW different from the Tigray governed by a ትግሬ መኮነን of the centuries in between. Since Michael Sehul, various tigray leaders came to power in their region where they tried, and in certain cases succeeded, to conquer land beyond their province for short periods. King Yohannes was the last of them who was able to go further south to Shewa and Gojam, even then without consolidating his power there. In fact, the weakening of Gojam and environs due to his wars contributed to the feeling of force by the Dervish invading the region including Gonder that eventually ended up Yohannes’s life. Following the formation of Eritrea and modern Ethiopia, the Tigray leaders felt lost, stuck between the two. Nostalgic of their lost ‘grandeur’, their ambition was to regain it, which became effective in the form of ethnic federalism in Ethiopia under TPLF, where they attempted to reduce Eritrea to a dysfunctional state as we have seen it in the last 27 years till few months ago. Now, instead of beating the drum, they need to man-up feel fully Ethiopian, no more and no less than any other Ethiopian. For the reason you mentioned, they cannot join Eritrea. Before they came to power, in the 80s, there are indications that they reflected on their possibility of joining Eritrea, but I think this was a categorical NO from EPLF, thus their frustration and curse on their friends of struggle.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I am a bit surprised by your take to say the least. If I read you correctly, you are alluding that the reason the Tigreans took it to the field in the mid 70s was to regain their long lost glory and power that had been snatched by the Amharas? And you went on saying that they designed Ethnic Federalism to divide and rule and in the meantime to weaken Eritrea?

            How about vision as in Enlightenment credo—liberty, freedom, electoral democracy, constitutional rights and economic equity and redistribution that would ultimately lead to progress? To get the society out of abject poverty by investing on human capital as in universal health care and education? To elevate the nation into a middle-income nation in tandem with diplomatic finesse and competent military force? Would you say, all these was a mirage where the real deal was to carry the power baton of long dead Sihul and Yohannes?

            Eritrea is where it is now precisely because Isaias declared war on the Eritrean people.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            Our reading may differ on TPLF and it does. You might have cut short on what I said. You reduced the big picture I was trying to give on the ambition that drives leaders to rally people to just a daily programmed plan. I cannot overlook and just attribute their ambition to only their recent successes, especially when I see how big their ambition is both in their influential design regionally in terms of ethnic influence and land claims. Lets not forget that Tigray movement leaders, when they came to visibility in the mid 70s, collaborated with the military junta in Eritrea in the form of ወጣት ዘማች to perhaps some how later turn their coat for the field of independence joining the the nascent movement. Remember the mid 70 was a time where youngsters in eritrea some born from tigryan parents felt the belonging and the obligation to fight for Eritrea and left to fight for their country and that is a great example I and some of my friends didn’t do. It was also a time where groups from tigray came in masses of youth propagandists with their musicians, succeeded in recruiting local cadres based on birth to parents to come to power dominating the ጊዜያዊ ህዝባዊ ጽሕፈት ቤት in Eritrea creating mayhem to play with life and livelihood of young Eritreans. In the process, the motivating factor was the old grandeur, if not as a starting plan, but as a sure rallying factor used and propagated by their leaders.
            Did TPLF leaders had the vision and enlightenment to lead for development? Perhaps, but lets leave the credo (too heavy word for here). Electoral democracy and constitutional rights, let me leave it to Ethiopians to judge by the results they saw. It is not because these are completely absent in Eritrea that I am going to endorse a 100% win by a party as a democratic exercise and more importantly when previously before that when sits where won, imprisoned those who won and protested to later makes them sign letters of culpability to save their life. In the whole 27 years, TPLF was largest distributor of culpability to keep itself on the high ground as a righteous organization. This distribution of culpability was even tried as recently as last year on journalists. Again, it is not because such practices that preserve the lives of innocents and don’t exist in my country that I am going to refrain from expressing my views and say they were wrong. Lets remember that if TPLF from the get go preserved and respected Ethiopia’s say on the Eritrean referendum especially on who should vote and who shouldn’t in Ethiopia, just to take an example, their respect for their country would have been taken as genuine. They did things or let things loose because their interest was in consolidating power and in using Eritreans as an instrument in their ascension to power as evidenced by how they treated them during the war and there after.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Certainly we have different readings on TPLF but of course you own a wealth of information particularly about their early and formative years as well where what you have stated the incidents in the 70s are lost on me, for instance. Thank you and I respect that.

          • Amde

            Selam Haile,

            Thank you for the interesting input. I don’t think I disagree and I believe Article 39 for Tigray made sense only in the context of a friendly Eritrea who would be willing to come along for the implied Agazian ride (I guess the term was Tigray-Tigrigni).

            Fully agree – they need to man up and make the best out of Ethiopia so it is hospitable for both Tigray and Tigrayans.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            the axumite kingdom is tigrai kingdom is false, but even if it is true, how is that gonna change the reality of ethiopia after tigrai seceded? How is that the battle of adwa is gonna change the reality and the meaning it? U see why i call u p , ur pathetic understanding of events makes me to call u p.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Paulos.
            When Tigray secedes we challenge the new Ethiopia with the same questions of yours with a different context that why they are happily celebrating the secession of Tplf’s Tigray for the sake of fulfilling the greedy one Killil first democracy.

            The fact is democracy wont allow us one Killil has special privilege to loot, kill, torture to make sure the three thousand epicenter moved back to Axum or Mekelle. The feudal prince Meles had said what is it Axumite civilization for Ormo.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam David Samon,

        Pretty shrewd obseration. A benign parasite that wants to survive hardly has, or want to have, the capacity to kill its bigger host. There is no person in our region who has benefited politically and militarily from the TPLF more than Eritrea’s despot. Many do not know, especially the young, that Isayas and his henchmen would not have been in positions they had been, and are today, without the critical help they had gotten critical help from the TPLF.

        • Blink

          Dear Mr.Ismael
          With do respect sir , TPLF help was not make or break to EPLF survival. EPLF was good enough to resist any attack even at the cost of one man standing , I am not old and I know this to be the facts . You wanted to blame the dictator do it on other ways because you have millions of crimes committed by his own decisions that even I can name hundreds. TPLF at that stage was a baby walking after his father but with great care of his father . Trying to score twin political goal and unnecessary attack are the reasons every body is stack here . You and many others need to Take the blame for mishandling of the opposition business by feeding the youth with toxic politics in the diaspora . I apologize in advance if you Incase wanted to ran over me but I couldn’t take the sideline you said here.

          Tesftsion the criminal agazian is the product of mismanagement of the opposition leadership and now is the time to correct the past mistakes and that can’t be done by trying to defend weyane or giving credit way over their weight.

          I address this directly because doing it through other people wouldn’t be fair to you .

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Blink,

            Let me break the oath I made to myself that I would never respond to what you post, and had actually also advised other decent friends to do the same. Not because I do not respect you as fellow human being, but due to your style and conduct that have become repulsive aberrations in this forum.

            Now though, I sympathize with the burden you carry – willing acquired or by persuasion – to defend the indefensible. The point, (TPLF and its critical help to Isayas and his organization in 1980-82) that you thought it fits within the range of your duty towards the regime and the despot and decided you had to say something, I think you might be too young to know the details. So, I prefer not to delve in to the intricacies of those details, and expose myself to your anger and diagnose me as “retarded” as simply as you did with Dr. Paulos – an exposition of behavior that turned the stomach of many of us.

  • Selam Girmay,

    If there are criminals walking around either in ethiopia or elsewhere from the times of HSI or the derg, they should be brought to justice, and here is a chance for tplf to ask for them, as long as it could not do so during its rule. I think that some derg officials served prison terms during tplf’s rule, and tplf tried to get at MHM in zimbabwe but failed. Nevertheless, this does not mean that present offenders should be protected or should not be brought before the law.

    Remember, their children cannot be heir to the crimes of their parents.

  • Selam

    Selamat All,

    I have read this from TN ….. Some 90 Member of Parliaments consented to submit an impeachment motion against Farmaajo over allegations of “constitutional breach” that includes extradition of ONLF commander Qalbidhagax, “anti-federalism” and “secret deals” with neighboring countries ….
    Let’s see the secret deals; Formaajo makes a deal with DIA and PMAA both did not make public the content of agreement. Somalians want to exercise their constitutional right. Ethiopians parliament still in old mode just blindly supporting whatever the leader is doing. Eritreans have no constitution but DIA can not do anything without his/PFDJ supporter. Those PFDJist support Whatever DIA doing blindly like Ethiopian Parliament.
    Somalian action may help Eritreans and Ethiopians to learn a lesson.

    Have a nice day.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei All.
    By now most of us have learnt democracy is a commodity money can buy. A poor nation suffer more from scarcity of democracy. A poor nation with blessed natural resource suffer further more than a poor nation. A poor nation with both natural resource and a strategic importance suffer the most. Take Angola and there is no humiliation even small countries like Rwanda and Sri Lanka can take advantage of the wealth of Angola while the people of Angola suffer and are humiliated beyond recognition.

    So when we consider Eritrea at least we must pay respect for the nation not humiliated by Tplf. Who protect Eritrea from Tplf? All who live in Eritrea! Who stopped Tplf starting from Badme to UN in New York.? Who stopped Tplf from marching to Asmara the way it has done to Mogadishu? After 7/11 US democracy is challenged by the US government, a government which can buy the best democracy money can buy.

    What kept the integrity of Eritrea? The kindness of Tplf towards Eritrean, the help of the international community, or the luck of demonstration boycott Eritrea? None. This not critic. This is fact. The critic is there is a limit and area where opposing once own country regime can not be crossed.

    Tplf is wrong from the very beginning. It has made it worse in 1991. US has its own African department and has done its home work with its high professionals how to welcome the new Ethiopia and Eritrea concurred from the now Russia. Eritrea has no need to take the welcome package as it is because it has already it has made its plan. Tplf had found a new plan package at least for its economical independence (you need some income to make an independent country) including the manual by the name Ethiopian New Constitution the bible of Tplf.

    In short if the package says you have to make your girls and women prostitute and you get Tplf takes the package playing we are Tigrians card and late the rest to be prostitutes, and if possible only the amharas. In case the majority Ethiopia says no for this horrible package, then Tplf plays we are Tigrinya card more than the Eritreans Tigrinya. In case Eritrea says no for this package then Tplf plays we are Ethiopians cards more than the Ethiopians themselves. Since Tplf has played these cards since its inception it has lost respect for the essence of Ethiopia and Eritrea. .

    Now Tplf has built a nation called Tigray. The problem is the economy has been built in such a away where the majority of Ethiopian can support it. In fact the majority is against the system where 5 millions Tigrians nation is made dependent on an economy which demand 100 millions Ethiopian to give their consent Tigray to control the economy and the politics. In short if Tplf has made Tigray economy self sufficient then Tplf could declare the independence of Tigray by the time the Tplf regime was forced to leave addis palace. One to show their arrogance how Ethiopia say no for Tplf regime; two to engulf Ethiopia in civil war to punish how it is like when you reject Tplf. Besides it is easy to attack and punish more the ethnic groups which they consider a threat in the future.

    But now Tplf Tigray is caught pants down. Tigray is not made self sufficient. Now for Tigray it is worse than 1991 because if they want their economy to continue they must renounce Tplf. If they choose Tplf they must loose the economy. That is why Tplf wants to play its Tigrinya card. ‘We are one people’ lets save Tigray economy by helping Tplf to come back to Addis palace.

  • Brhan

    Hi George,
    Glad to hear that you like how I write my sentences, our Arab neighbors say Al Kalamu Ma Qala Wa Dala….A saying (sentence) better to be brief but indicative
    Do not comment when you are angry …we won’t have constructive discussions. When you cool down you will able to differentiate facts from fiction. I am here to discuss with you on FACTS: Ethiopia: Refugees and Asylum-seekers as of 30 September 2017 13 October 2017 | Publisher: UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) |
    This is not random stuff.

  • Brhan

    Hi George,
    Do you think the enemy of enemy is my friend strategy viable or a strategy that is based on consideration to proximity, mutual culture and history which TPLF and EPLF alliance was its recent past glory?

  • Girmay

    Hello dear George you see narrow thinking is keeping you and people like MS from looking at the big picture.
    Foreign powers have great ambition in the horn of Africa. Lucky them the horn of Africa is lead by incompetent leaders. Therefore, PIA is now encouraged to pursue black on black crime. Once we weaken each other foreign powers will easily colonize all of us.
    George, if you look at the big picture Tplf is as tiny as Taff, the bigger sharks have a grand ambition and you are busy chewing Tplf this and that.
    George and Ms, mark my word Eritrea is in a danger to be colonized because of its strategic position. The foreign enemies will systematically colonize it. But no Ms George are only allowed to think what PIA allows them to think.
    PIA has proven to be incompetent. Brave and brillant leaders tried to fire him but instead he put them to prison.
    You see PIA has nothing to offer Eritrea. PIA followers take one day in your life to think about geopolitics of the region by not thinking about Tplf.
    In conclusion Tplf is only on defensive position, however, big powers behind PIA are out there ready to colonize Eritrea. PIA has no checks and balance. He was reckless 20 years ago and he is reckless today.
    Sadly his intellectuals are an accomplice and their nativity never make them think twice and save Eritrea from the bigger threat. Tigray has no reason to be a threat to Eritrea.
    Now Eritrea’s biggest threat is a blind leader and his intellectuals. George and Ms, wakeup before its too late. If reason has prevailed in Eritrea today PIA would have been asked to resign for all his mismanagement and miscalculation.
    Sadly PIA and his intellectuals are working hard to externalize their incompetence and ignorance. When will PIA and his followers work for the interest of Eritrea?

  • Saleh Johar

    George,
    “Cozy with individuals…” is a boring statement and I will ignore it. I think you can challenge me when you reach the 10% mark as what I have written and talked for two decades. But to go crazy and repeat “Weyane, Weyane” day in and day out is something I leave to those who are fond of repeating it. You will not get that from me.

    Again, I advise some people to tone down the rhetoric and stop stirring the fire that, when ignited will burn the poor people. Those who have made bellicose rhetoric their hobby are surely insulated from the fire. Otherwise, they wouldn’t stick to this cheap and irresponsible hobby. It’s not patriotic to agitate for war; that is called warmongering–and it’s not my hobby.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatista, interesting talk from Abay Tsehaye, about the need for rapproachment between the leaders of TPLF and DIA.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5RetcT_sEw

    • Blink

      Dear Abraham
      I don’t know if they are going to get alone but one thing is sure that Eritreans are waiting for TPLF leaders to apologize for the crimes they committed in order to break Eritreans backbone ( Abay Tsehaye z lemani ) said that . Now he wanted to get along with Issias,what about the Eritrean people? He thinks all the refugees going to camps forget what he did .

      I think it will be extremely good if weyane waited as they stand up to 2020 after election, everything about the weyane sets of Ethiopian laws will be up for negotiations and weyane will be at the lowest level of their power , lower than now and it will be a lonely chair for them as others will be ganging to form a government away from weyane . Abay lemani completely tried to say as nothing happened between Eritreans and His small thieves.

      • Abraham H.

        selam blink, just listen to the clip again, because abay tsehaye is not only speaking about dia, but also about the relationship between eritrean people and tigray people. if pm abiy and his amhara handlers as well as delusional folks like you think that you could break the spirit and determination of the tigray people, just think once more, and read history.

        • Blink

          Dear Abraham
          I wonder why you have been acting like half for so long . No one is in the business of breaking Tigrian sprits because it can’t be and no one is mixing TPLF with the ordinary Tigray people, why you mix the thieves and the poor people? Why don’t you people act on your deceitful behavior for the benefit of the ordinary Tigrians. Why you want to take the Tigray people to war on all directions? I mean wasn’t the past wars enough?

          For the second time sit tight or pls advice ደብረስይጣን to at least know his limits because he is simply agitating people unless there is no voice what so ever his dead TPLF junta can change . Team lema are determined to continue this journey and the Ethiopian people is behind them, so as I said act on your old deceitful behavior.
          Abay ዘ ለማኒ has to know the game for his small tricks will not work at this time.

    • Selam Abraham H.,

      Tplf is running around looking for people who could share the consequences of its crimes. Some are forced, as the people of tigray, and others are perceived as naive or having short memory. The time is for a tigrayan party that represents the people and not its criminals and kleptocrates.

      Nobody should fall for their newly acquired sensitivity for old friendships, because they are in in their weakest moment. Just imagine what will happen if they get strong, the frankenstein monster eritrea will not be able to control. Can tplf change its skin or the leopard its spots?

      If eritrea makes the wrong move, she will stall all the deals she has made with ethiopia, she will be aligning herself with a losing entity that is looking for the sacrifice of the eritrean people to save its skin, eritrea may be forced to accommodate the new emperor that was enthroned in axum recently, etc. Beware of the tiger that tries to come through the rear door. No one should become a lifeboat for the dying tplf.

      We should all hope for a new tigray and a new and truly tigrayan party that stands for peace and cooperation unlike tplf.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Horizon, I totally disagree with this comment, as the blame for the dysfunctional relatioship between Tigray gov and DIA is not squarely to blame on TPLF. Actually, DIA should bear the biggest responsibility as it was him who was rejecting any olive branch form the TPLF for the last 18 years. He sacrificed the Eritrean people at the altar of his insatiable ego, by claiming no normalization before demarcation; something that he would abandon shamelesly when he realised the emergence of new leaders at the center of Ethiopia. This shows his dishonesty both to the Eritrean people, but also his unwillingness for a peaceful relationship with neighboring Tigray. I don’t think Eritrea has to choose between TPLF’s Tigray or the rest of Ethiopia; we could and should have normal relation with the entire Ethiopia; who governs where is not our business. Plus, I think you ‘ve a wrong impression that the TPLF is a spent force, anyway time will tell.

        • Selam Abraham H.,

          The only olive branch i could understand, as long as tplf accepted and sat at the negotiation table with the party it called the aggressor, and as long as it had signed to abide by the decisions of the hague as final and binding, was to vacate and leave the contested land soon after it received the final decision, and not to lie to the people of ethiopia about the decision, and not to come out with the five points peace plan and the demand for negotiations before demarcation, while it could have negotiated while demarcating at the same time. We all know the result of this action by tplf.

          Time is certainly running against tplf, because the only thing there is for it is a gradual loss of its influence even in tigray as economic problems start to set in, tigray’s access to the center is affected as it already is, and the people of tigray realize that tplf is the apple of discord with other ethiopians and not the people of tigray, and their livelihood is much important to them than a political party that misruled the country in their name.

          What has eritrea to gain from tplf by accepting a friendship that is based on tplf’s interest for its survival, while ignoring the law of the ethiopian federation to which it is supposed to be part? Today, tplf trusts sudan than ethiopia, which means that its main aim is its short term interest, and not true friendship.

        • Blink

          Dear Abraham
          1.Who said Badme was given to Ethiopia?
          Ans. Syum Mesfin of weyane .
          2.Who said the border commission decided wrongly so it needs to amend it ,
          And. Meles (reference Irish news ) ,

          3. who declared war openly in a weyane controlled parliament ?
          Ans.Meles.

          4.who deported 90,000 Eritreans ?
          Ans Meles ,
          5. who started bombing city first ?
          Ans. Meles’s government
          6. Who tricked the west to sanction Eritrea under the pretext of false accusations?
          Ans.Meles ( reference the speech he gave to parliament plus the Wikileaks)
          7. Who delayed the demarcation?
          Ans. Weyane government.
          8. Who said let’s break Eritreans backbone ?
          Meles brother ኣባይ ጽሃየ.

          Everything you said was all lies coocked by Weyane cadres like
          1. Senait Mebrahtu
          2. Daniel Birhane
          3.Alula Solomon
          4. Fitsum and others

          I am wondering if we have some of them here .

    • Selam

      Selamat Abraham. H

      It is right: rapprochement needs if they were enemies to each other and made a crime on to each other. As a nation they fought a bloody war and as a consequence a lot of people dies, displaced and a social fabric to the border region disturbed. The population in both side suffer a lot specially the people living in the boarder region. Most of the leaders from both countries that causes the war still living.
      The rapprochement mainly needed for this people, because they are the cause of all disasters. If they really learn from the past mistake and want to make peace, they should sit together and reconcile and move out from the politics of the country by passing the power to the new generation that has no problem to live together as a neighbor. Otherwise it will be a win lose approach and will not bring a lasting solution.
      Whether we like or not Tigray, one of Ethiopia’s federal state, is our neighbor and we should find a way to live together as neighbor the same to them.

      Have a nice day.

  • Saleh Johar

    Thank you, Mahmoud,
    Title and body are different as any writer should know. Titles should be short and do not necessarily explain everything.
    My Denver speech was to my colleagues and myself. It’s not vile but aimed at reforming and self-reflection. It cannot be equated with vindictive comments to destroy. That is a big DIFFERENCE: intention!

    See Mahmouday, I don’t know where you were in 1998 and what your views were. I was there, very vocal and almost saw what was coming. I warned but the bloodthirsty would not listen. Now (please believe me) I am seeing a repeat of the same 1998 mood and agitation from a few belligerent elements (similar in tone and persuasion) and I do not like it. I hoped some would have wisened up and would have been careful of what they are stirring. Unfortunately, “:zey snkha Hutsa qortmelu” is what I see happening. At the end, the same victims of yesteryears are exposed to threats that would make them victims again. It’s worrisome “lmen yetequn.” And I have to do what I can to warn. My warning was hated then and I am sure it will be hated in the samne corners. So I do not like to say it, this is the right time to say, Allahuma ini beleqt fa-ash-had.”

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan Saleh
      I was talking about the lead sentence, not the title. But that’s OK. I somewhat agree on the rest. I’m against those who agit6wars that they will never participate in. Regarding my latest articles and comments about the TPLF leaders, they are not different from what I have been saying all along. I target the small clique and not the Tigray people or Ethiopians as a whole. Hayat Adem is my witness.
      Gracias.

      • Saleh Johar

        Ahlan Mahmoud,
        As you know wars are not started between people but between ruling cliques. And the fire that ignites doesn’t differentiate between the people and their rulers. If the bellegrant attitudes between the PFDJ and their nemesis is not changed the result will be the same. That’s how the previous war started. I was targeting the Weyabe is not an excuse because it leads to the same outcome.

        When the cliques fight they mobilize soldiers, militias and common people. It’s not limited to the ruling class. Toning down the rhetoric would be prudent. That’s all.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Abu Salah,

          This statement: “if the belligerent attitude between the PFDJ and their nemesis is not changed the result will be the same” is absolutely true. And add to it, that the belligerents can not live without wars; and as a result the clouds of war are still hanging between the two nemesis. Look the difference in the desire of rapprochement in the two nemesis.

        • Hayat Adem

          Dear HSGJ,
          I am not happy with Mahmuday’s views these days. He is playing so un-positive. The exchanges he has had with us at times here makes him a more reasonable man than what he is doing now. I sometimes feel his emotions got the best of him when he thinks he is getting at the opposition and TPLF. He sheds off his emotions when it comes to the pains and agonies of Eritreans.
          A challenge to Mahmuday:
          If more Eritreans hate PFDJ, and if more Tigreans support TPLF… and you happened to be on the other side of these two realities, doesn’t that make you aligned against the peoples’ choices.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hayat,

            I was telling I watched Jawar interview with regards to the rally in Mekele which I think was in Mekele.

            It seems to me, what he was saying was, the TPLF leaders are trying hard to protect Getachew Assefa and in the process they are confusing the people of Tigray and leaving them vulrnerable to furure. Specially the thought of leaving the federation and going it their way.

            In your opinion, what do you think the issue is if they handed him over and let him face justice / defend himself in court of law. Why should the Tigray people be exposed to the threat of their existence.

            Sorry I am simplifying to one person…just to get an idea. I want to know, what the federal government is doing, does it have legal merit. Are the courts free and fair from interference?

            Berhe

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Berhe,
            I haven’t listened to what Jowar had to say. Although his analysis are so superficial mostly and are totally limited to his own reality, he thinks he has it right- so full of himself and such people do repulse me.
            COMING TO YOU QUESTIONS:
            1) Protecting Getachew
            a) I haven’t heard of any official court subpoena from the federal courts. In such absence, there is no way one tells about purposing a mass demo so damning and huge around a publicly unknown issue.
            b) There was nothing in that demonstration hinting on the matter of Getachew Assefa. There was no single slogan or chanting about or of him. So, how come the demonstrators didn’t even say it out clearly if their purpose was that. Or does Jawar think, the people rallied without knowing the purpose?
            c) The person in question is a CC member of TPLF and an executive committee member of EPRDF. So, jailing him for any reason is political first before it becomes legal. These has to be decided at the EPRDF-top level. So, if there is a need to protect him, it will happen there not at public rallies.
            d) Lets say, it is true that the TPLF felt the need to protect GA. I would guess they would it in a different way. I am sure GA would have so much knowledge of every official. My view is if land, and real-estate as well the constructions sectors are the main swamps of corruption and crime, I am sure ODP and ADP are more corrupt. And I can guess, GA knows or holds a damning record of all of them.

            2) On Exposing the People of Tigray to Threats
            Berhe, I would say the people of Tigray remain just that. No body can take the people of Tigray hostage. It will always be a colossal mistake for any force to target the people of Tigray because it supported TPLF.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hayat,

            Thank you and I agree to what you said and hopefully they should be able to move on and transition.

            On the last point, when I said threat to the people of Tigray, what I mean by is this whole thing about exercising the option for Tigray to go alone.

            I do not see a viable Tigray which will be a source of peace and development. It will be May NAeqeb to overcome such challenges. I can’t see how it can create peace for its people without economic viability / trade with all its immediate neighbours.

            Just think what Eritrea was closed having internal peace / forced within its boarders.

            That’s the kind of threat I am talking about.

            Berhe

          • Senay Zer

            Dear Berhe — Reading the forum in the past few weeks, I’ve come to realize that people struggle to differentiate between TPLF and Tigray (the state and people). To large extent the intimate relation between TPLF and Tigray is understandable. At times, though, you can see that people (both pro/against TPLF) conflate the two just to win debates. Similar to the internal Ethiopian dynamics, discussing the relation of Tigray with Eritrea is always *contaminated* by this special relation between TPLF and Tigray. To give an extreme example, so much is talked of the hate of PIA toward Tigrayans. Outside his ugly rivalry with TPLF (and they had an official policy of removing him from power!), we don’t see much evidence of this ‘hatred’. But, it’s talked about as given. BTW, this shouldn’t be taken as attempt to give positive image of PIA – he is despicable. Also, I’m not implying his policies didn’t/don’t have negative impact on Tigray.

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Selam Hayat Adem (aka Gual Adem)
            Thank you for your concern about me. I’m doing well, have just been seen by a shrink and she said was good to go. She advised me to sing Wayane more often.
            Coming to your challenge? That’s a badly constructed challenge. Here is how;
            1. U have no figures to back up your claim.
            2. You omit the fact that peoples and nations clump together at times of external threat. The reason why more Eritreans have stood with the government is because they have faced external threat, real and immediate, when hundreds of thousands of Ethiopian troops dug in along the border and constant threats coming from the TPLF-controlled previous administrations of Ethiopia.
            3. Analytical proof (ha…ha): the more peace and stability take hold the more Eritreans will resort to peace time mode asking about civil liberties and good governance. On the other hand, TPLF has been hijacked and black mailed by WANTED individuals like Getachew Asefa. In turn, TPLF has held the people of Tigray hostage, and what we see is a clique fighting for its life.In the weeks preceding the Mekele demonstration TPLF youth had spread through the villages of Tigray and had agitated the people saying they were under threat. The skittish Dr. Dbrexion had to deliver what Getachew’s group had told him. Remember how many times he had to be corrected. Poor guy.
            Meanwhile Emma’s commando is ready to act to salvage what has left of poor TPLF. ከምዚ ጠራዕራዕ ርኢና ኣይንፈልጥን። ህዝቢ ትግራይ መሪሕነት ስኢኑ ኣሎ። እዚ ንርእዮ ዘለና ተዓጠቕ ተሸባሸብ ዘፍ ክብል እዩ። Mark my word. ብዙሓት ላባማት ትግራዎት ኣለዉ።

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Hayat,
            Mahmioud’s views were always clear to me–I do not see any change in his position. Therefore, as the Arabic adage goes, “izza Ourifa al-sebeb beTela al-Aajeb –when you know the reason, you wonder no more. I am neither happy nor sad because I am not surprised at any of his comments or views. Please leave that aside,

            Now, I am inviting you to play along with me; just accept or imagine the following as true for the game to have a meaning:

            1. the TPLF rules with an iron fist
            2. the TPLF is not equal to the people of Tigray
            3. what the people in Tigray do (eg. demonstration) is instigated by the TPLF
            5. TPLF exposing Tigray to risks to protect one person.
            4. therefore, the TPLF must go.
            5. PFDJ rules Eritrea with an iron fist.

            After accepting or imaging the above five points, replace every TPLF with PFDJ and every PFDJ with TPLF. Am I clueless, blind partisan, or what?

            I hope you enjoyed it, I might copyright this game —

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Ayneta, very good analysis. “In my calculation, the winner at the end of the day is Ethiopia”, that is if the country stays in tact.

  • Selam Girmay,

    Look at the rhetoric coming out of tigray after tplf moved to meqelle. More or less the message is:
    – “Unless you ‘respect us’ we might as well separate”. If you ask what does respect really means in this case, you will hear different interpretations by different people, from allow us to come back to power to respect the culprits and do not bother them, etc. Entertaining secession and independence is not something that could easily be said or done at random without having in mind, peace, the economy and the well-being of the people. It is more or less taking the people of tigray on another odyssey of hardship, and if there is a conflict the suffering will be multiplied. Ethiopians see the political party which was at the helm of power and the people of tigray differently. They also know that the people are helpless at the hands of the party that forces them to say and do whatever it wants.

    – “The aim is to humiliate the people of tigray”. Putting together those who ruled the country, the tplf elites, and the people of tigray who were at the receiving end of the mistreatment under the dictatorial rule as all other ethiopians, which is equivalent to making them responsible for crimes they have not committed, is disingenuous of tplf.

    – The rhetoric “we are ready to fight” is irresponsible from whichever side it may come, for the consequences of war are very grave and catastrophic. People who have lived through wars should abhor war, and tplf used as it is with conflict does not seem to care at all.

    – “The new rules of ethiopia are incompetent to rule the country”. This points directly to the dictatorial method of controlling unrest, which is nothing else but killings, incarcerations and torture. What we hear coming out of ethiopia is that anti-peace individuals and criminals are gradually apprehended and put in jail with the help of the local people.

    – ‘The constitution should be respected’. I do not understand why tplf says that the constitution is not respected, because it is required to hand over to the federal court those suspected of crimes and corruption of one sort or other.

    – “A foreign power is cooperating with pm Abiy”, insinuating IA, which i think is meant to influence the support of the people than the reality, despite the rhetoric coming from the north. I believe that the pm will not accept any intervention from IA, and decisions are taken by the ethiopian pm of ethiopia.

    Where would you think that this standoff between tplf and the federal government will take them. There are people, tigrayans included, who say that the federal government should use the military if the regional government refuses to abide by the orders to hand over the culprits. I am sure PM Abiy will not reach such decision easily.
    The final question is ‘quo vadis” tplf. For how long could it stand against the tide? You see, it is a difficult and extremely dangerous situation. Comradeship and the mentality of a liberation front fighter should not have the upper hand, and when tplf asks for respect of the constitution, at the the same time it should also respect the laws of the federation, which are enshrined in the same constitution.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. In the article you assert that ‘Observers believe that Isaias Afwerki of Eritrea has found leverage to interfere in Ethiopia’s internal affairs through the many armed opposition groups he hosted and trained in Eritrea’. Common guys, sounds similar to what the wounded TPLF and its followers are now spouting,. Who are the observers that you are referring to? It’s really a lame game plan and should be aborted, as well as any strategy to defame or discredit PMAA.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. I just returned from Ethiopia where I spent time in Addis Ababa and Bahir Dar. Some takeaways:
    1) I met with several Eritreans in Addis Ababa and none mentioned anything about PFDJ operatives inside of Ethiopia or any related worries thereto
    2) Most young Eritreans that have left Eritrea do not have plans to return and most are transiting Ethiopia for other countries such as Kenya and Uganda. Older Eritreans said to be returning to Eritrea
    3) Numbers of people from Tigray in Addis Ababa continues to dwindle as they are continuing to return to Tigray
    4) Growing animosity against Tigrayans in general coming from continued anti-PMAA demonstrations occurring in Tigray; another big demonstration occured in Mekele yesterday
    5) All friends from Tigray that I spoke to in Addis Ababa are very critical of PMAA, saying that he is on a witch hunt and only targeting people from Tigray while not also going after others who have committed human rights violations. They are all downplaying Badme and issues of withdrawal and are supportive of continued anti-PMAA demonstrations in Tigray. They are very critical of PMAA not being able to control security in the country and blaming him for incidents which are reportedly occurring when Tigrayans are moving by vehicle from northern Wello into Tigray, forcing travel to from thru Afar region
    6) Non-Tigray are accusing the TPLF of being behind security incidents which are occurring in various parts of the country
    7) Local authorities in Oromiya land surrounding Addis Ababa are reportedly not allowing Tigrayans to sell or buy businesses
    8) Black market rate for USD still at 35 birr per dollar
    9) Addis Ababa still very quiet with very little construction activity, a lot of large construction works have halted and said to be linked with TPLF ownership and lack of clarity thereto
    10) All non-Tigray Ethiopians that I met are very open and accommodating to Eritreans

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Fish.
      Nice summary. The dollar thing is maybe the Metec people buying all the dollars they can before they declare Independence. 27 years of killings, displacing, prison, torture was not allowed to compare against Tigray. If any one says why only Tigrians develop, get the upper hand, why Tigrians are not killed, or sent to prison just like the rest is a self declaration to be a terroist according to the tplf antit terror law. I think there is nothing left to be together with Tigrians as long as Tpl is leading them. It is best for both parts that Tigray declare independence in peace.

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Hi MM
        “I think there is nothing left to be together with Tigrians as long as Tpl is leading them.”
        I agree unless TPLF returns to it senses, if there are any senses left for it.

    • Brhan

      Hi Fishmilk,

      Nice report of your fishing trip. You forgot to fish in Adi Harush, Shemaleba etc

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Brhan,

        I agree that an Eritreans who possess resources and visit that part of the world would good to their conscience and human-ness to expend fraction of their time and money to visit the places you cited. A few days back at a social event in a residence of an Eritrean family, a person who has access to humanitatian operations of the Immigration and Naturalization services of the country I am staying in told us that since the opening of the borders 300,000 Eritreans had reported at the Aba Guna registration post. The situation has become unbelievably overwhelming that concerned authorities became desperate for space to host and supply massive arrivals. It’s worrying and frightening thing. Imagine how many are already in the camps?

  • Mahmud Saleh

    Selam AT

    “Eritreans living in Ethiopia are feeling threatened by the presence of several PFDJ operative in the country” AT

    I don’t know if there are intelligence operatives in Ethiopia, But that could not be ruled out. It is a normal pattern for countries to spread their intelligence assets where it matters.
    However, Eritreans are visiting Ethiopia as we speak. If you are speaking of Eritreans who live in Ethiopia, there will be certainly Eritreans who would feel threatened, and they better be. But not all Eritreans who live in Ethiopia.
    Now, time for the firing squad, if you have any bullet left.

    • Brhan

      Hi Mahmud,

      You said “there will be certainly Eritreans who would feel threatened” . Do not forget that Ethiopia has signed the 1951 Refugee Convention and 1967 Protocol and those Eritreans who you think they would feel threatened ( even though you did not indicate who they are) can claim with the UNHCR in Ethiopia and will be protected persons.

      And Awate is to inform, inspire and embolden not a bub of firing squad.

      • Saleh Johar

        Brhan,
        I am sorry, conventions and civility are not for brutes. UNHCR or anyone cannot protect you from lawless brigands. Many were killed in Ethiopia since 1991 and there were people who cheered and encouraged it. They are violent and bloodthirsty elements and accomplices to violation of cotizens’ rights and sanctity of life.

    • Ismail AA

      Selam MS,

      Since the launching of symbiotic relationship of love and state diplomacy by Dr. Abij and Eritrea’s despot nesting to it, and started feeding on it, I am yet to miss sense of fidelity to duty to the regime and its supreme leader. Many who have been reading you for sometime now might be feeling the same.

      Now, you are trying to tell us that it’s just normal for the regime to widen its surveilance and spy network in to Ethiopia. In other words, you are attempting to spray on it some hollywater of legitimacy. Then, after delivering on the duty side, you tried to preempt responses and dissuade critics by playing victimhood and alluding to arms and squads!.

      • Saleh Johar

        Ahlan Isamail,
        Sorry, I am not surprised. It’s only the veneer that is removed. Many rode on the silent-majority wagon with honesty, for a few it was to keep the veneer. Long live NSU.

        But this was exactly the mood that led to the 1998 war, an adventure that the innocent Eritrean deportees from Ethiopia paid for dearly. Recklessness is the name of the game and it’s time for round two… maybe round three 🙂

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Mahmuday, wow, how sad to see you defending the right of the predator regime of DIA to hunt down Eritreans in Ethiopia. So sad to see you regressing for every passing day regarding the need for justice to every Eritrean. I’m beginning to wonder whether there is virus called ‘wedi afom virus’, ደጊሱካ ከይከውን ይኽደነና.

    • Blink

      Dear MS
      As you predicted, here you have all of them running wild with a defeated face , their teeth making sounds of a fallen looter . Not a big h surprise they will change everything you said to a personal level and accuse you of many things . I don’t really know how they do their day to day life with such amount of hate and excessive stress for revenge. How can they sustain such things for almost 50 years still amuses me . The thing is MS you are beating them arms down and the only thing they can do is shouting. I hope you have the art of the time headphones with best music while writing to them.

    • Selam

      Selamat M S

      I agree with “Now, time for the firing squad, if you have any bullet left” I would like to add if you do not have buy from the market and make Ethio. battle filed. It is self defense. The firing squad may target the boss.
      Have a nice day

  • Blink
    • Girmay

      Hello dear Blink , the minute I told you about the reality on the ground you had a nervous breakdown. You thought that building secret packet with foreign powers was only the privilege of King Isayas . Nope Nope,,we too can play the game.
      You see king Isayas and his followers are very narrow mind. They design a map in their brain that keeps them similing.
      Dear Blink, Eritreans are great people. Sadly the leadership guiding their nation is blind. They play dangerous and reckless games and they expect the world to quietly babysit them.
      Blink you are concerned about school getting built on my head, but I am concerned about the antenna on your head. You have an antenna on your head that only plays king Isayas favorite movie called, The Great Miscalculator and Blink his worshipper. Blink change your antenna so that you can see the real tv show. We want peace and Eritrean people want peace but you and your miscalculator king want problems.
      If you have courage work for peace. Now you are just a cheer leader for foolishness and violence .

      • Blink

        Dear Ghirmay
        I know Debreseytam was praising You guys ( the Internett trolls like you ) but on the other hand Tsehaye ze lemani was talking about what ? You did not know , ok here it is https://www.facebook.com/bbcnewstigrinya/videos/1944494968965423/?t=9

        What’s left for weyane 2 is to get to the third one weyane 3 Incase the deceitful behaviour got little evolutionary determination to get real and honest .

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei All.

    Ethiopians call it brotherhood what the Eritreans have done for our freedom fighters to liberate us from Tplf. Awate team and tplf call it interference. The judges are the Ethiopians and Eritreans who gained their peace and gave their consent beyond any shred of doubt. The negative campaign against Abyi by awate team is a surprising one.

    • Brhan

      Hi Mitiku,

      Awate.com is neutral . The proof is your non-stop negative campaigns against TPLF are hosted by awate.com.

      Secondly, Awate as a credible media outlet is criticizing PMAA who has both strong and weak points when it comes to Eritrea. The strong point is making peace and his weak point dealing with a dictator at the expense of human right issues of Eritrea.

    • Selam

      Selamat M M,

      Eritrean people host Ethiopian’s to fight for their freedom. Those fighters that are used Eritrean soil to achieve their goal and now enjoying the freedom in their country should give back equal facility or treatment to Eritrean people to fight for his freedom.
      Spreading a lie like Andargachew ” የኤርትራ ህዝብ በዛን ጊዜ ከአምስት አመት በኃላ ሪፈረንደም አድርጎ ቢሆን ኖሮ ውጤቱ እንደዚ አይሆንም ነበር። ወያኔ ግን አውቆ ቶሎ እንዲሆን አደረገ” Eritrean people do not deserve such kind of cheap political lie from Gembot 7 leader. It is backstabbing to all Eritreans that they vote for independent.
      “The negative campaign against Abyi by awate team is a surprising one.” መጋቢ ሃዲስ እሸቱ እንዳሉት ዶክተር አብይ ትክክለኛ ደጋፊም ተቃዋሚም አላገኝም ” Criticizing, for what he is not doing good, is a healthy practice in a healthy democratic society. Critic is not a negative campaign. If there is no critic we will not do a quality job.
      Look in Somalia the MP’s want to impeach the president because he made a secret deal with foreign countries. This peoples are those they vote for him but they feel he is not working for the interest of the country, therefore they want activate their constitutional right to step dawn him. Does it mean a negative campaign against him. Did not he make a secret deal with Ethiopia and Eritrea. For me yes he did because I have not seen or heard from them or their office about their deal.
      This is a critic not a negative campaign. The same to PMAA. He himself said, we do not want an MP to clap his hand for everything. We want someone who criticize, oppose ideas, bring new ideas and etc…

      Have a nice day.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei Girmay.
    Yes Tigray defended them when Tplf deported them because Meles did not like the color of their eyes. Oh that is cliche. Sorry. Tplf deported Eritreans cold bloodily to show how tplf uses any group as use and throw to its bloodsucking greater Tigray republic.

  • iSem

    Ethiopia Does Not Really Get it
    HS thought cajoling and dividing would do it. Derg thought terrorizing will do it. Both failed miserably when Eritreans defeated mighty mama Ethiopia. How gratifying it was to witness the story of David vs Goliath unfold in my own eyes
    The TPLF thought siding with one Eritrean org and destroying an other would it. It failed. Then they changed their thinking, supporting dysfunctional opposition that divided like amoeba will do it. Appeasing the dysfunctional opposition has not does it
    Now Abiy, the moron who thinking love, fake love will do it. Decided siding with the butcher of Sahel and Asmara would do it. Now all id de javue, IA will have free reign in Ethiopia in exchange protecting Abiye, because Abiy does not trust his own security. That I the recipe from the past. The temporal access to the ports that is pulling a fleece over the faces of Ethiopia will usher is a disaster. Ethiopia will disintegrate, even those who crave dabbo (bread) in leuie of human dignity will regret it, when Ethiopia, this country sow with with old threads will be in taters. Because Ethiopia cannot, should not survive on the backs and blood of Eritreans
    Do not get me wrong, the Eritreans also do not get it, if they did they would have defeated PFDJ in the last 15 years. But Eritreans identity is like a virus Ethiopia sill soon find out that for longer term survival of Ethiopia in its current fake rhetoric is unsuitable, and the reason is not the ethnic federalism, it is its myopic view the leaders it produces.
    May Ethiopia disintegrate, a united Ethiopia with the Abiye doctrine is dangerous to the Eritrean identity, an identity that was in the formation of theast 150 years, an identity that claimed 100k lives, an identity that survived despite the conspiracy if PFDJ and Ethiopia, different colour and shades of Ethiopawinet
    Eritrea has never been safe for Eritreans, now both Ethiopia and Eritrea are not and both countries are conspiring to un due the Eritrean identity and over century aspiration of peace, democracy and justice. And the answer to the question of who is our enemy is both Ethiopia under Abiye and PFDJ and we have no an other enemey

    • Selam iSem,

      OMG, i never expected that you could come to this level of frustration and hopelessness. I never thought you live in a mythical world. Do you remember the days when you were craving with your friend for tplf to invade eritrea? Your explanation was that purportedly a failed state to the north of ethiopia, as is somalia to the east, will be dangerous to ethiopia’s security, because eritrea will be overrun by extremist islam, and eritrea is a bastion against muslim extremists from sudan.

      Of course, with tplf gone and of no use to you anymore, who will invade eritrea? Now, you have turned into godot, who is waiting for the disintegration of ethiopia, with the hope it will benefit tigray and eritrea. Be sure, if that day ever comes, it will take everybody to hell without exception. If you believe that the two will prosper on the ashes of ethiopia by exploiting the dispersed and weak ethnic groups, you are grossly mistaken. What a pity.

      Why do you call pm Abiy “the moron”? Is it because you know very well that he is not going to do your errand, “demand for democracy from DIA”, or invade eritrea, when you yourselves would not dare to raise a finger against the despot. Maybe with a remote control, you can depose the pfdj.

      You forget conveniently what transpired in the last three decades. It was MZ that was surrounded by eplf security forces as he ascended to power until he could trust his own people, and ia/pfdj did anything they liked in ethiopia. PMAA is in danger only from the reactionaries who have lost the power of exploiting ethiopia. He has not shed blood like tplf to come to power, and therefore, he is in danger only from criminals and kleptocrats, and the hodams from other ethnic groups who are easily bought with money, and not from the people of ethiopia who appreciate the political measures he has taken up to now.

      How can ethiopia survive at the expense of eritrea, when eritrea herself is fighting to survive, or you do not see problems in eritrea from far away? Who has benefited up to now? As much as the use of the ports by ethiopia is concerned, a thorn in the flesh of diaspora eritreans and the opposition, try to understand that the west is not interested, uae will soon abandon it when the war in yemen is over, and it is only ethiopia who can use them and even help to protect them, unless you bring back egypt and the ottoman turks after so many centuries. These are the only forces that could be remotely interested. You can’t blackmail ethiopia anymore. There are so many other choices.

      “May Ethiopia disintegrate”; Oh iSem, what a pity, you can’t do it, your black magic cannot do it, and you have to put up with the continued existence of ethiopia wwith your big frustration and hopelessness. Maybe ethiopia will end up being strong and prospering, and her enemies would be leaking their wounds forever.

      Living in the west, enjoying everything the west is providing you, and lamenting for eritrean identity is a hypocrisy, and it is equivalent to becoming a big obstacle against other eritreans back home. If you can feel an eritrean even though you live in the west for decades, be sure where ever eritreans may go or live, they will always feel eritreans. You want other eritreans to sacrifice, defend and keep for you what you believe gives the eritrean identity, i.e the land. Join them back home, and do not outsource your responsibilities to the poor people back home who want to live a decent life like you or any other human being.

      Go and fight the dictator and not anybody else you see near him. PM Abiy has No obligation to eritrea other than responding in friendship, and IA has NO rights in ethiopia other than working for peace and economic well-being of the two people. Meddling in ethiopian politics is a transgression, and nobody is going to be allowed either IA or his pfdj. You better be sure about that. It exists only in your imagination that there is a plot against eritrea by ethiopia. Don’t connect your failures with an ethiopian conspiracy.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Horizon,
        You said, …..”As much as the use of the ports by ethiopia is concerned, a thorn in the flesh of diaspora eritreans and the opposition”…. Ooooch! Horizon, please stop elbowing the standing Eritreans when you walk through the still smoking EPLF-ELF battlefield and civil war that continues to play in their proxy-land and virtually here. You have a lot of interesting and substantial takes on the politics of our region, but unfortunately, you rarely miss the opportunity to elbow us. On the ports, please do not have doubt that every eritrean deep inside knows they are of little use if Ethiopia doesn’t use them; geographic reality dictates. And no eritrean really wants the disintegration of Ethiopia. Such parole is pronounced just out of frustration and for self satisfaction purposes.

        • Paulos

          Selam Hailat,

          You can clearly see how confused these people are. No substance what so ever except empty bravado laced with emotions and feat of tantrums.

          As I said it before, the relationship between Isaias and Abiy is not sustainable, simply because they have nothing in common except for ephimeral tactical advantages which is again based on fluid situations.

          Eritrea lacks institutional pillars where the entire political edifice is anchored not on the will of the people but on the impulsive whims of one person. And this is extremely fragile where any country including Ethiopia can not bet on investing [politically that is] on Isaias’ Eritrea. Abiy clearly knows that, if Isaias is gone, Eritrea as a state is gone as well. Again, there are no political institutions that endure in an event of drastic change.

          On the other hand, Ethiopia has political institutions including civil liberties where the people are aware of their constitutional rights. To be more precise, the mechanism of politics is not invested on one person but on the citizens as well. When Eritrea and Ethiopia are diametrically divergent in political scope and vision, one can not expect their relationship to endure but to come into a complete halt—and that is a matter of time. What is more interesting is that, Isaias is cognizant of the fact as well, as in he knows that his relationship with Abiy is not sustainable and he will squeeze any advantage he may find till the time he parts ways with Abiy comes. Given this reality, Ethiopians including Abiy do not have any other option except to engage in civil discourses where resorting into violence will breed more violence. The only way to civil discourse is upholding the Constitution. As for Eritrea, there is no way for a change to come as long as Isaias is in power. It is only when democratic institutions are put in place where the relationship between Eritrea and Ethiopia could be durable and sustainable.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos and Haile S.

            Do you agree with me that Isayas like Idi Amin and Jean Bidel Bokassa, and many like them in history, would perish without leaving an iota of legacy save horrible memories of cruelty and ruthlessness?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo,

            If he succeed in his project to annex Eritrea with Ethiopia, will surely have a legacy in the “Ethiopian history” and in the “heart of the Ethiopian people” who fought for decades, for Key Bahrachin. But on the Eritrean history side, whether he succeed or not, he will not have an iota of legacy whatsoever. He will be remembered as the worst evil man who teared down the “social fabric of Eritrean society” and killed the “can do spirit” of our young generation” by entrapping into modern slavery. There is no space for him in the heart of the Eritrean people.

          • Ismail AA

            Dear Aman,
            I had in mind Eritrea and it’s people. Otherwise, you are right; some chauvinist Ethiopian elites have already started selling the despot as their own and hero. They are not even trying to learn lessons from the costly mistakes of their former leaders, and take time to weigh feasibility of whether the despot can re-make history that the Eritrean people had paid blood and sweat to establish.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            First, let’s start with the name. No Eritrean parent will name their son Isaias for generations to come. Isaias is unique in the sense no leader can amount to his level of apathy and cruelty including the two African former leaders you mentioned. More over, what makes him to stand alone with in the scale of cruelty is robbing the dignity of an otherwise proud and dignified people.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Paulos, I sometimes ask myself, what is that DIA really wants? What does he want to achieve in his life with all the anti-Eritreans policies that he has been pursuing for decades? I couldn’t really find an answer to that. He sometimes remind me of children who bully other kids, just for the sake of it.

          • David Samson

            Selam Abraham,

            First, thanks for Zewde’s link.

            IA is not shrewd and cunning politicians. He speaks plain and does not sugar-coat his real intentions. He made it absolutely clear that he wants to be the king of greater Ethiopia and use Eritrean’s people aspiration as launching pad to achieve his dream. I understand IA’s intentions and as with many aspiring kings, he wants to expand his empire. What I have been struggling for a while is with the real intentions of Tegadeltis. I am on the verge of concluding that most the so-called Tegadeltis did not know what was the purpose of 70-years of bloodshed. I believe the question should be directed at us— the people, not IA— as he knows what is his doing.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam David S., you are welcome. Well, let’s say DIA dreams of once becoming the king of Ethiopia, then why does he have to be so mean against the Eritrean people; couldn’t he just keep with his dream while treating the Eritrean people fairly. What I don’t understand is his level of cruelty towards Eritreans. Above all, it was the Eritrean people who carried him on their shoulders all along; giving him the other cheek while he keeps battering them. Actually, I don’t think there is any people in the world that has been so patient and tolerant against a mistreating dictator like the Eritrean people.

          • David Samson

            Selam Abraham,

            No, IA needs to create submissive people. Mind you, if IA treats us fair, we will question his motives and does not bode well with his desire. I do not know if you remember Tesfay Temnow’s interviews. He said, “ IA does like anyone to work with him, but rather
            the person’s job is just to take orders from him and delivers for him”. IA has been the same person since day one; it is just we do not want to see it. When he told the central committee of EPLF about his intentions, it was not behind their back.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam David Samson,

            Many who watched, and have been watching, Isayas through the years – beginning school age years and his early presence in the field with the ELF – agree with you about his unquenchable thirsthy for power and control. As you have indicated the zenith of power and its pomp and grandeur is cronotion on the throne of a kingdom as sanctified in the Habesha religious-cum-cultural tradition. In mindset and upbringing, thus, Isayas may not be counted alien in that context, namely, aspiration to the throne of the Habshaland currently know as Ethiopia.

            But, the pending issues are: is he fit in terms of character and skill to scheme through and satiate his aspiration? And the more desperate question: is the essence of time in his favour because the man is aging and already in to the last quarter of his life. I remember, during the euphoric early 90s after liberation, there were casual coversations floating among Asmara crowds that Isayas is irreplaceable, and that there had to be ways to keep him as leader. As I recall, one of those occasions was in a public orientation meeting in Cinema Dante ( I do not recall the month and year as I type these lines).

            Had he not blown off those incubating developments through recklessness and over ambition, and decided to chew more than he could and fel out with Woyane, he probably would have been able to try his chance to enthrone himself over Eritrea, and then push on to the wider Habeshaland. He might have regreted the miscalculation with Meles Zenawi’s Woyane. Now, hence, given the obstacles cited above, how feasible is fufilment of Isayas’ ambition to be crowned as king over Ethiopia?

            The first issue one has to consider is whether Ethiopia can return back to a monarchy in tact as the curren territorial and demographic nation-state. Would Isayas survive the ferocity of competion among many claimants to the throne, including Abij himself. What are the chances that the center of gravity of kingship would return to Habeshaland and anchor again in the Waldiba (Lake Tana), Debredamo, Aksum and Debre Bizen axis? Can this happen without another round of Zemene Mesafint that could ensue disintegration of Ethiopia and re-integration of tradition Habshaland without the Lekempt, Jimma, Borena Moyale, Harer, Samara and Alamata chunk of Ethiopia?

            The trend now is shift from the north to south – regarding the centre of political weight. I do not imagine Isayas is in position to navigate through such politically and ambitionwise rugged terrain. Thus, his aspiration cannot exceed in every sense or measure mere hallucination. His chance is nesting in to the Ethiopian body politics in symbiotic relation to stay on and die as ruthless despot over the Eritrean people.

            Incidentally, in his entire career so far, he always needed and managed to get some force to feed on. In 1970 he did not hesitate to knock at the doors of Emperor Haile Sellasie’s government before he got martyr Saleh Sabbe; in 1976, he lost Sabbe and rushed to hold a congress and cleansed himself of leftist slogans such anti-imperialism and anti-Zionism and got support from USA and allies in their bid to end the Derg and Soviet encroachment in the Horn of Africa. This opened his way to an alliance with the Woyane and rode on the back of their manpower to ignite war against the ELF in 1980 and alter the military balance in Eritrea. After 1998, he allied with Iran, and then with Qatar with USA and allies in the background. And currently with the Emirates and the Saudis with Trump’s blessing. So, to re-state point, the despot needs Ethiopia as guarantee against the Eritrean people’s aspiration to liberate themselves from him while entertaining dream he knows would never come true.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,

            Issayas has never been a shrewd and skillful politician. He is only lucky to have subjects classified as simple followers only “ዝነገሰ ንጉስና”. otherwise he is neither a skillful strategist nor a smart politician. So the problem should be directed at his subject – the Eritrean people.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Ismail,
            This is a great question not easy to answer. The political upbringing of IA and the other 2 are different as well as their behaviour in power. IA’s mistakes are institutional. His organization is equally responsible. The mistakes might even go outside his institution due to inaction or indifference or incapacity of those that are vocally against him. The later could have a neutralizing effect. Leaving aside the immediate anger we harbor talking about him, lets not forget his ego is different from the ego of those two. It will all depend on how the change is brought in.

          • Abraham H.

            Selam Paulos, well put analysis, except I’m afraid this one is giving the DIA worshipers a talking point. “Abiy clearly knows that, if Isaias is gone, Eritrea as a state is gone as well. “

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,

            You are absolutely right in centering the issue on absence of institutions. IA has become both literally and metaphorically, a Wall. Literally, because he has no ears, metaphorically, because he became by default the sole defender of eritrean sovereignty for reasons that has been debated multiple times here. Within that wall, there are NO subdivisions (institutions) that support and reinforce the exterior wall. IA knows it absolutely and that is the reason he told PMAA “you are now our leader, please lead us”, which can be translated into, “if I go, I leave the trust and fate of eritrea on your hands”.
            On IA wanting to squeeze Ethiopia, I don’t believe and I don’t take it as given that IA has or had a bad design for Ethiopia. All these rumors saying EPLF was exploiting Ethiopias in the early 90s, if any, was not without the the active and leading role of TPLF to begin with, and later brought to public for pure propoganda purpose spread by TPLF themselves to innocent TPLF to garner support in the war against Eritrea. Remember, it was a time TPLF cadres and banks were giving loans to tigrians and also Eritreans saying የሰሜን ሰው, at least in order to obtain and boost the public vote of confidence and support.
            The desire of IA to be seen as the great leader is still alive; it is inherent in him. He doesn’t understand why people do not see things the way he sees them. His whole focus in the last 2 decades has been on TPLF, not Ethiopia. On the damaging effects of TPLF on eritrea, he was right. What he was not right is to follow them on that path to the darkness they were taking him. They were holding the lantern and they apparently prepared an exit for themselves, but he as a blind follower, he did not prepare himself, other than saying if you go that way, I will follow you and push you deep inside. In this intricate game of the labyrinth, he forgot about Eritrea and eritreans. Now, the blind side of IA is that he wants his citizens to see his intelligence in exposing the nature of TPLF, but stayed unintelligent as always, in his mistake in following them in their strategy of destruction (on Eritrea) and in underestimating the capacity of his citizens to see his short-sightedness in managing the state affaires. The war-fatigued Eritreans inside eritrea are just observing IA extricating himself from that mess with the help of PMAA. IA’s opposition are also doing the same from outside apparently waiting to see his demise even at the risk of taking the country with him. But they can also choose to help him get extricated in some way. To do this they need deep thoughts and ASAP.
            Back to the lack institutions, the greatest headache of our nation. EPLF chose to let the existing institutions decay at the expense of the country’s defense without balancing between the two. As the result, not only institutions decayed, but also the people that run them without any replacement. Imagine a minister or high-level manager aged 75 and above who depends on his exiled children for survival and trying to manage a ministry or a large department in that condition. When I saw the young Ethiopian ladies get appointed by PMAA to higher responsibilities few weeks ago, I was happy for the country, but felt jealous. Rare are the educated and the specialist in the country in all domains. Any effort to retain them is nil…..

          • iSem

            hi Paul: how are u fratello
            I think any relationship has a life span, specially in politics, so this one will last as long as both need each other. When Woyane was in charge and specially with MZ, they managed to coccoon IA into Adi Halo, they isolated him. Now Abiye gave him much needed life line and as my friend BY called Nitricc the other day, the Militia Taffa are now IA supporters until IA takes away their food and qat
            It is unsettling to see PFDJ security in Ethiopia, if Abiye was visionary he would have it both ways: he could have his relationship with IA and still be mindful about the long term interest of Ethiopia and Eritrean aspiration. Now Eritreans will be hunted just like in the TPLF era before the war.
            But Ethiopians seem to get blind when the access to the sea is offered and they have forgotten that the obsession with sea was the reason they they are still starving. Irony is they have done well when the curse of the sea was denied to them, suddenly they got creative to solve their problem and now they have regressed
            IA will do anything to get the support of Abiye. IA needs Abiye and Abiye needs him as long this equation is valid, the relationship will endure. Sustainability is in the strength of needs of the parties
            The ” go fight IA” line the our friend horizon is peddling is misguided. We are talking about how this unholly relationship will shape the long term interest of Ethiopia is at risk and the sovereignty of Eritrea has never been at risk because now the man at the helm has been working for it for 50 years. opportunity knocked and he told us, Abiye is our leader, Abiye has to edit it, but the Freudian slip has already slipped
            Even after PFDJ is gone as Dr Berhe G, who woke up from his slumber said, Eri will be behind, way behind, we will be subservient ot Ethiopia and slowly we will be taking down the framed photos on our desks. Sad. Equally sad the former visionaries like MS, nay Wedi Saleh’s have become blind to this

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            Come stai caro fratello?

            Isaias is stuck in time where alliances are chosen over friends. In the era of the Front, it was given to have a modus operandi based on strategy and tactics as a function of time, precisely because, any alliance was a means to a greater end. As it happened however, Isaias is unable to transform his mind set into a statesman where friends are chosen not for a means to an end but one chooses them in a bid to share a common cause. As such, Abiy is just another means that will be discarded when he is indispensable no more. And it is just a matter of time.

            The era of populism is probably the accent of the day but the era of dictatorship is out of synch and Isaias can not survive in a world way ahead of his archaic game. Either he has to call for a reform otherwise living in a complete totalitarian grip will bring him into a tense collusion with Abiy as the latter builds a nation based on Constitutionalism—-as long as he does that is.

            The Weyanes are there to stay. Perhaps not only Eritreans who oppose Isaias will find a safe haven in Tigrai but others including Amharas and Oromos will find refugee there should the situation gets ugly in Ethiopia. It is not a far fetched scenario to foresee a replica of Eastern Sudan in Ethiopia if Isaias is given a free ride in Ethiopia but in Tigrai. Ethiopians who are berating the Weyanes day-in and day-out have no idea what is coming to them should they choose Isaias over the Weyanes.

          • iSem

            Paulo
            stono bene, e tu?
            I agree with most of your points.
            But bear in mind the following to elaborate and even make more penetrating analysis on your impeccable knack of understanding the issues in our country and the relationship between our countries
            1. by the time PMAA and IA are done, it would be late for us: our economy, our confidence and even identity
            2, The Woyane are dangerous, tricky, remember they are related by DNA to Alula and every time they fight against Eritreans, they have won. Saleh’s speech was revealing: how they humiliated the opposition by offering them money, cash. and although MZ tamed them, the Siyes, and Abay Woldu’s wield lots of power in Tigray. Their tone now are because they are cornered, so what will the opposition could do from their heavens in Tigray?nothing.
            I said this many times before and it bears repeating: the opposition cannot win without out creating deeper roots both in Ethiopia and Sudan and now in Tigray, they put their eggs in one basket is how I put it then. People misrepresent the idea of Ethiopai helping the opposition. The TPLF were deliberately allowing the mushrooming of opposition in Ethiopia, instead of supporting the most potent ones. I knew this time would come
            3. Also remember,your earlier point of lack of insit in Eritrea: add to that IA is destorying the innate Eritrea inst, like family, friendships,love of wedi gezawtika, love of wedi adika, love of your distance relatives etc
            4. Abi’s vision is myopic because the long term interest of Ethiopia,( by long country is not its alliance with the PFDJ, but with the yearning of Eritreans.
            MZ recognized that after the TPLF crimes against innocent Eritreans during the war. His olive branch of allowing Eritreans to attend university and accept them as refuges was a sign.
            Ethiopian can be giddy about the sea access, they can salivate over the words of Asefa Jembere, they can enjoy all the wet dreams in their prospects of unfettered access to the ports,but it i the same misguided notions that was their achille’s heels in the first place.
            In the same way the Woyane’s equivacation to truly support the opposition brought them here, with no alliance, sandwitched between Amahra, Sudan and PFDJ, they decided to take no risks toppling IA and kept it him isolated, Abiye’s dalliance of IA at the expense of our yearning will come to haunt Ethiopia and he smoothing, slick talking will not save him

          • Paulos

            Semerile,

            Before we talk about the Opposition, I want to tell you a story.

            Enter Chaim Weizmann. As you know, Weizmann was the first President of Israel when it was first founded in the late 40s. Before he was elected to be a president however, he was a well respected Biochemist.

            In the early years of the 20th century, the Zionist movement wasn’t getting much traction due to partly Britain’s objection to the demand of founding a home land. Later on however, when World War I broke out, politics and science found a synergy in Weizmann. Weizmann had something crucial at his own disposal what the British desperately needed for the war effort. He had already patented the production of Acetone through the process of fermentation using a specific bacteria. Certainly, acetone through other means had been synthesized before by different means but it was only accessible in Germany, a country which was at war with Britain. The British asked Weizmann to make acetone in mass priduction. He obliged but he asked in return something his organization has been asking for. A homeland in Palestine. It was later known us “The Belfour Declaration.” Weizmann was indispensable.

            Are the Eritrean Opposition groups indispensable? Or to the very least, do they have what it takes for them to be taken serious by the host country—Ethiopia or Tigrai? On an individual level, if someone doesn’t have respect for himself, he can’t expect people to have respect for him. The same logic applies with in group dynamics as well. If the Opposition, let alone to be indispensable, if they are unable to manage their relationship among each other, it is not fair to project their incompetence onto someone else simply because the rule of the game is not warped in charity but in the dry and at times unfair world of politics.

          • iSem

            Hi Paul:

            True what you say about the opposition.

            But our own Weizmanns align with the dictator.
            an other contemporary of Weizmann and first PM is David Gurion and quote that is attributed to him is relevant to our predicament and I can imagine IA has the quotes in bold in his bedroom: “the old will die and the young will forget”

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Hi Samray,

            Now, the opposition will not have a foot in Ethiopia to operate. We shall see see now what other escapegoating they will get to cover their ineptness so clearly was seen in the last twenty years. I saw them since 2011, they don’t have the quality of leadership in their make ups. They were maneuvered by individual Eritreans from outside their circle who became the seeds of their discordants. Their failure has nothing to do with Ethiopia but rather it is from their incompetence and lack of independence to run their business. Unless they admit their own failure and start from clean slate, they will never recuperate from these endless failures from time to time. Working with them for few years makes me better evaluations than those who never fail to give their judgement from second hand or un verified informations.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam girmay
    1st, there is no country called tigrai but a part of ethiopia.
    2nd, peace between eri and ethio means peace with the whole of eri and the whole of ethio.
    3rd, tplf is still part of eprdf,
    4th, if PIA treat eris as useless toys or as king, it is eritrea issue .
    5th, internationally recognized leader in eritrea is PIA and the countries of the world has to work with his gov when they need to work with eri, so it can’t be unique for ethiopia.
    6, today presidents of sudan and Djibouti visited ethiopia just like presidents of eritrea and somalia did the other day. It is all about peace, economic cooperation ,….

    • Girmay

      Hi Teddy, just keep your trust on fake Abie. We have figured out a forumla that will expose him. You can call us a village, city, or province. If your fake prime minster can conspire to humilate Tigreans, we have the right to conspire with 80 countries if we want to. And too late that program is complete, Abie is too foolish and silly. He thought he was the only smartest guy. We too can play the game.
      Teddy and Mitiku we will see if you will continue the foolish reality that Ethiopia is in.

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei Girmay.
        The humiliation is self inflicted. Late alone Tigrians even the none Tigrians were humiliated by the greed and inhuman behaviour of tplfs. Maybe you are confused by the word tplf. Tplf stands for Tigriay people liberation front. The conspiring is busted and that is what made the so called Tigray republic founders turned themselves terroists all over Ethiopia. The humiliation will continue. In case you dont get it Addis Abeba uses the 80 nation nationalities people to celebrate our constitution day while the tplf uses the fake flags of each people.

        • Girmay

          Hi Mitiku,,you are just a small time propaganda man. You have lost control of your fingers. When you type your fingers and your brain are not connected. My first recommendation is for you and your fingers to be reunited on the keyboard.
          You see you guys pull the Tplf card every second. It is too boring now. Its also too late. There are many forces now operating in Tigray to make sure the fake leader in Addis pays his dues. Forget about Tplf. Its about Tigrean people fighting back to make sure ESAT intellectuals dont ever have a chance in Tigray.
          You see your Abie and ESAT were quiet when Tigreans were killed and threatened in Gondar. Do you think these people will protect the interest of Tigrean?
          Mitiku I don’t expect you to understand because you are a small time propganda man. Your literature and news source is ESAT the fake news.
          So why would I think you could be a balanced thinker when all you consume is hate? You consume hate and you spit hate. Nothing I will say to you will ever make sense to you. Continue with your cheap, boring and predictable propaganda. I dont expect creative and new ideas from you. You are just a recycle bin of ESAT Tigray bashing fake news. Nothing more.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Girmay.
            Esat call them Ethiopians and reported about all killings. Ethiopians all over have been killed by tplf and no demonstration from Tigray or sympathy. The rest pays their respect. This not rocket science to find out. Tplf bring the bread home. Period.
            All Ethiopians dont wish harm to Tigrians. But except Tigrians no one support Tplf. That is the thing you couldn’t understand and it doesnt matter now.

            The crimes of tplf is told all over Ethiopia except the tplf medias in Tigray. So dont act as if you dont know.

            But the good thing is we have one of the best constitution and tplf forgot how that constitutions works when it killed thousands and made Ethiopia without any oppositions party by declaring anti terror law meaning NOT ALLOWED TO OPPOSE TPLF, Tigrians people liberation front. Immidiately after tplf won 100% then you know the rest. Now luckily tplf remembered the constitution and i hope use it wisely. And we pray that you leave us with peace after the declaration. We have to be civilized. We dont want the same hazardous problems of 1998.

            My question to you is that do you support tplf or not? Just curious.

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam girmay
        1, what i told u is fact.
        2, let alone to conspire, tigrai can’t even survive 2 years with out handouts. That is a facf too.
        3, sometimes i think no ethiopia is way much better than eprdf ethiopia(minus 3A)
        4, am not that much interested with tribal ethiopia, my worry is the innocent civilians life, rather than that, trust me, am not that much interested with tribal ethiopia(eprdf ethiopia).
        5, if there is a peaceful way that can dismantle tribal ethiopia, i will be happy. but the name ethiopia will always my identity.

  • Brhan

    Hello Awate,
    I agree with you that the Eritreans in Ethiopia will be vulnerable to PF(JD) threats and to save themselves they have to seek UNHCR protection. The good thing about Ethiopia, like Egypt and unlike Saudi Arabia, it has UNHCR offices, and Eritreans can register with UNHCR refugee camps in Tigray, Ethiopia. Thus they will be protected person under international law and the regime in Addis can’t do anything to them.

    • Blink

      Dear Brhan
      How is your thinking? Do you ever considered that all UNHCR camps are going to be accessible to PFDJ security apparatuses, no you did not . The camps are not save . I think the only save place is running . As for the Eritrean identity, I disagree completely. Eritrean identity will never get lost and it’s basics stand to observe what ever thing you are saying. But one thing is clear weyane is all gone , yesterday Mekele dance was the last one.

      ስለፍቅር ሲባል ስለ ጸብ ካወራን ተሳስተናል
      አንድ ላይ ብንሆንም ተለያይተናል፡፡
      አተናል እዉነት ነዉ ተቸግረን ብዙ አይተናል
      የመጣነዉ መንገድ ያሳዝናል፡፡

      እግር ይዞ እንዴት አይሄድም
      ሰዉ ወደፊት አይራመድም?
      አፈር ይዞ ዉስጡ አረንጓዴ
      ለምን ይሆን የራበዉ ሆዴ
      ብራናዉ ይነበብ ተዘርግቶ ባትሮሱ ላይ
      የነ ፋሲለደስ የነ ተዋናይ
      የት ጋር እንደሆነ ይታይ የኛ ጥበብ መሰረቱ
      የኋላዉ ከሌለ የለም የፊቱ
      ሳይራመድ በታሪክ ምንጣፍ
      ሰዉ አይደርስም ከዛሬ ደጃፍ
      ከአድማስ እየራቀ ምነዉ ይሄ መንገድ ያባክነኛል
      ……….. you can do it or I can call Abi to fill the remaining.

      • Brhan

        Hi Blink,
        “The camps are not save. I think the only save place is running”
        do you mean safe for save?
        The camps are safe because Ethiopia has signed 1951 Refugee Convention and 1967 . Because I do not want to be subjective…check the convention and the protocol by yourself and you will understand why Ethiopian will make the camps safe.

        • Blink

          Dear Brhan
          Pls understand the game in a different way , this is PFDJ we are talking right ? Ok then if you agree with me then you need to understand under any circumstances PFDJ has always a spy in the heartland of every Ethiopian city even at the time of weyane in 4 kilo . Now they have their own friends even out side the new government. All G-7 , OLF , ONLF , Ogaden and many are happy to help PFDJ with any requests. Don’t forget the old security apparatuses of EPRDF is being cut short by team lema and team of the Amhara regional administrations and there is nothing UNHCR can do about anything PFDJ moves . My personal advice is these who fear for their life must move quickly and fast away from all Ethiopia. The Afar movement of Eritrea are under big pressure as their financial backers of weyane are being removed by one click with out shooting one bullet .

          I don’t see any safe place in Ethiopia unless you are youth dreaming big or plan going to the west . Remember all Eritrean embassies in the region stopped giving passports and Ethiopian security apparatuses are helping PFDJ in cutting corners.

          • Brhan

            Dear Blink ,

            You understand rather. We are talking about Eritreans in the refugees camps…thousands and thousands …If you are Eritrean, you might have a relative or friend…I am talking about the safety of your relative and friend ….I hope you understand my point and I am not playing a game with the issue of safety of our people

          • Blink

            Dear Brhan
            I have a relative and he doesn’t have to worry about PFDJ spies because he has nothing. He was serving them for a good 9 years and now he is in Ethiopia trying to open business in the heart of Jima , he got his refugee card in side one month and just moved from Tigray to Jima . I don’t believe PFDJ spies are looking for any Eritrean, they are looking for an Eritrean with a sign of weyane playing heart or something seriously they think must be down . You know people are just visiting Asmara from the Tigray refugee camp . PFDJ are looking for people with interest. Remember just last week they asked one singer to apologize and keep his mouth shut , this was all done in Tigray ( mekele ) so you know .

  • Teodros Alem

    Here is the true news in ethiopia today, meAshu kedene and hadushe kassa arrested today, both of them were former spies.