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Eritrean Ethiopian Cross-Border Trade Facing Hiccups

The euphoria of the first few days of cross-border trading between Eritrea and Ethiopia is now facing reality. Impulsive moving of goods between the two countries has now slowed down due to many factors, but mainly due to a shortage of Nakfa currency. The border was opened without any declared policy or planning to organize and regulate the cross-border trade. As a result, it created confusion among traders.

In late 2015 the Eritrean government issued a proclamation announcing the change of the national currency with new bills. According to banking sources, the decision was meant to provide the government with more control over the economy, mainly inflation, but also to enable it to curb the smuggling business and to “stabilize a wobbly banking system.”

A large amount of Nakfa bills was not returned to the banks for exchange because “some people were afraid they would be asked to disclose the source of the money.

Since 2016, depositors were allowed to withdraw only a maximum of 5,000 Nakfa per month from their accounts.
Unconfirmed reports indicate that as the volume of cross-border trade increased, a large amount of old Nakfa bills were discovered in the market. The reports claimed, “instead of burning the old bills withdrawn from circulation, they were stored in shipping containers and lately it was discovered that a large quantity has disappeared from the stores.”

During the last few weeks, large quantities of Nacka bills that many people had hoarded during the last three years to avoid depositing them in the banks energized the cross-border trade. However, in the last few days, considerable quantities of old Nakfa currency started to circulate alongside the limited amount of genuine Nakfa currency in the market.
Nakfa has marginally appreciated against the Ethiopian Birr.

As Ethiopian traders find it hard to move their goods as fast as they did when the border was first opened, some of them are leaving their good behind with other traders for safekeeping and distribution. Traders usually stay for a couple of days to sell their goods that are now taking longer to move.

So far, Ethiopian traders have been bringing mainly grains, flour, and building materials, especially cement and corrugated metal roofing. In return, the Eritrean market could only provide them with electronics and gold brought from Dubai.

Meanwhile, Eritrean authorities are apprehensive that expired goods are entering Eritrea and electronics imported with Eritrean hard currency are ending up in the Ethiopian market, a net-loss of hard currency earning for Eritrea.

Both Eritrea and Ethiopia are suffering from severe shortages of hard currency due to a negative balance of trade.

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Background to the story:
Eritrea’s New Capital And Social Control through Currency Change

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  • FishMilk

    Hi All. UNHCR has just released a report indicating 9,905 newly arriving Eritrean refugees as having been registered between September 12th thru October 13th. ‘The reopening of the border crossing points between Eritrea and Ethiopia has resulted in a significant increase in the number of new arrivals from Eritrea. Between 3rd and 12th October, a total of 5,475 new
    arrivals were transferred from the border to Endabaguna Reception and Registration center. 6,987 new arrivals were transferred from Endabaguna to Adi Harush, Mai Aini and Hitsats.’

  • Acria

    Hi Alex,
    Your argumentum ad hominem is miserably fallacious!

  • Acria

    Selam Alex,

    I hope the future of Eritrea is bright for “Eritreans”. I think you meant pessimistic? Yes, when I see the youth and mothers with their children fleeing the country, and, after the peace is announced? The Eritrean people don’t have any confidence in our DIA and his core supporters, period. You need to go to Mekelle and talk to the people who are fleeing their country! Try to convince them that the future of Eritrea is bright! The Eritreans in Ethiopian will be glad to get an Ethiopian I.D. rather than turn back to the Eritrea. If I was one of them, I will be glad to get it, if it was offered to me. These are the facts on the ground. Don’t try to whitewash it with ‘disgruntled’ or ‘Weyane’ when people point to facts.

  • Kaddis

    Greetings Awate –

    You can see how tense politicians get trying to explain the bizarre relationship of Isaias and Abiy; add the gulf politics – the get even more scared.

    If the link does not survive; google

    Ethiopia: በወቅታዊ እና በዐብይ የሀገሪቷ ፖለቲካ ላይ ከአክቲቪስት ጀዋር መሃመድ ጋር የተደረገ ቃለምልልስ
    and listen after 30 minutes if you find it long

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tugvUe_S5Ow&feature=share

    • Blink

      Dear Kaddis
      I always liked this man ,he is simply very important to Ethiopians in general, the way he answered the question about Eritrea is perfect and I like it , unlike the above editorial he simply understands the game while the above Gedeb news begged a helping hand again from Ethiopia just as the past 17 years with TPLF . The above article lost hope about Eritreans , looking for outside finger is simply the last hope of a dying vision . It seems PFDJ won over but very hard to admit to it.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Hi Jawar Mohammed,

      It is amazing to hear the logic of the revolution think tank. You support to left sanction from the dictator; you look it good. Here you have no problem to interfere in the Eritreans issues, but when the issue concerns the sanctions imposed upon the people of Eritrea by the dictator; this is not your job; it is the job of the Eritrean people. Truly, you contradict yourself.

      You are ready to promote your interests at the expense of the Eritrean people interests. You are ready to support injustices on others for the sake of your interests. But I think you were wailing when others were performing injustices upon you. You have forgotten your call for backing from others, an example the Eritrean dictator. You have, Mr. Jawar, to remember you have pumped a new life line to the dictator of the Eritrean people. This in itself enough to condemn you and Dr. Meddemer, besides your panting after your interests only.

      I am sorry to say you lack a iota of human values. You are void from the values of democracy. Believe me, you will never succeed if this is the mentality that drives you. You have to conceive well that Individuals die, but nations not.

  • FishMilk

    Hi All. Just returned from making road travel from Asmara>Mekelle>Addis Ababa. My main observations:
    1) General mood of people in Eritrea is uptick with commercial interaction with Tigray. Notably, Eritrea’s long dormant private transport sector seems to have been given a bit of life.
    2) Real political change on ground in Eritrea is nil and many are now talking about the fate of political and religious prisoners.
    3) Eritreans are a bit confused with Eritrea elections to the U.N. human rights council
    4) Large numbers of Eritreans continue to flow into Ethiopia. Talked to some in Mekelle who were shocked with the level of development.
    5) Mekelle is overwhelmed now with large numbers of Eritreans and some 80,000 Mekelinos that have recently chosen to return from other parts of Ethiopia. Who would have ever imagined that Mekelle would have major traffic problems for which it is now incurring.
    6) Addis Ababa has suddenly become far too overcrowded. It seems to have burst its physical limits in terms of vehicle traffic and pedestrian traffic.
    7) USD -Birr exchange now again going northward and at 35. Was told that many Western investment licenses have been cancelled over the past two months.
    8) Construction activities on large building in Addis Ababa have almost completely come to a standstill. Some were telling me that this was a result of currency shortage and difficult loan access while most were telling me that PM Abiy has placed on hold on further construction activities until it is known who actual investors/owners who are have used the EPDRF as a front to enter these large-scale projects.
    9) Eritrean embassy near Meskel Square remains under renovation whereas its activities are currently undertaken on a temporary basis in Edna Mall which is extremely busy these days.
    10) Large number of newly arrived Eritreans in Addis Ababa most of which are trying to make their way out to western countries.

    • Nitricc

      Hey Fish-M; So, what happens to the so-called Eritrean refugee? Can they go to Eritrea to visit their family? What Ethiopia most need is more people to enter Ethiopia. Ethiopian population explosion is very concerning, if I was Ethiopian authority, I will never allowed any Eritrean to come to my country. while I am here, let me make one prediction: very soon the trend will be reversed; Ethiopians will invade Eritrea for work!!! take that to the bank.

      • Acria

        Selam Nitricc,

        The Eritrean refugees will be there. Nobody will force them to leave to Eritrea. For now, the border is wide open. Anyone can go in and out of Eritrea. Consider Eritrea to be part of Ethiopia…..border means nothing at this time. Ethiopian authorities can’t do anything about Eritreans coming to Ethiopia. Eritreans are considered Ethiopians in Ethiopia. It is a matter of time that Eritreans will be issued Ethiopian I.D. cards. This thing is being discussed and at works soon. That is it guys: Tedemerenal! Ethiopians will come to Eritrea for investment, mainly in Massawa and Assab areas for import and export business. The rest of Eritrea is a ghost town for now. Unless we have another October surprise. Goodbye Eritrea Hagerey!

  • Amanuel

    Hi Hope
    Do you understand the verdict is final and binding? It is the same court which awarded Badme to Eritrea and you can’t cherry pick. If you think you do better English please read the verdict properly. It has listed all the events before the May 12 but dismissed them as not act of war.

    As the ERN 28 billion: I have asked you how did you arrive at that figure? Either quote your source or show us the the calculation as this website did.

    About G15 you were not only wrong, you were just lying intentionally and nothing is wrong with calling a spade a spade.

  • Selam All,

    The discussion “Hate vs Love” brought to my mind the second in line creature after human beings that feels love and hate, and can give a lifetime love to its owner. I think that it is a dog, although in general terms most animal understands aggressiveness and peacefulness.

    Do ethiopians love animals? Are they friendly to animals? In ethiopia there must be two animals that are extremely abused, dogs and donkeys. I do not remember (without saying do not exist) an ethiopian man or woman walking in the streets or parks of Addis or any other major city, with his/her dog, as we see in europe and the usa and many other countries. I am talking about the economically well off ethiopians. Dogs are driven away whenever they cross our road, and those in the household are used exclusively as watchdogs for security reasons and tied to a pole most of the time. They must be strong and aggressive, although they could be trained to be calmer and friendly.

    It is also possible to say that most ethiopian children have a bad day with a dog and they grow up hating dogs. No governmental organization, from what i remember, ever does anything to control their number or control diseases like rabies or anything like that.

    I think that it must be more or less the same for the whole of africa and all third world countries. Of course the level of economic development plays a major role, and education too, i suppose, both to a certain extent. In places where human beings are not cared for, caring for animals is a luxury.

    I was completely indifferent to animals until my son brought a dog to our house, and we are all in love with her now. Nevertheless, do not take for granted that it is an easy job to care for a dog.

    The other animal that is mistreated in ethiopia and maybe all over africa must be donkeys. It is the lorry and the train for ethiopian rural farmers and traders, and yet it is mistreated, underfed and not cared for at all. There was an ethiopian vet i saw in the news few years ago, who traveled from village to village in ethiopia to care for donkeys, and i think that his work was acknowledged by the WHO or some other organization (i am not sure).

    In conclusion, my message is that “If ethiopians can’t handle animals as richer countries for economic and other reasons, “Do Not Do Harm” is what our people should learn and what the ethiopian government should teach. Moreover, it is time that some steps are taken by the government and the society as a whole so that those animals that live near human beings are better treated.

    • Blink

      Dear Horizon
      You just made my day by giving too much of your time to Animal cruelty in our region. I think the way our people threat animals is simply not being human in 2018 .

      Why is DIA in Ethiopia for 2 days again? Say something also about the Ethiopian youth love affection for him . In all Ethiopian hot internet space I could not find the Issias We Eritreans know of . What’s wrong with them ? Is this the product of Oromo and Amhara media campaign for 10 years or there is something I am missing. The Oromo guys are just getting crazy, what did he do ? Is there any thing the OLF old guards were telling them about issias.

      • Selam Blink,

        I’m forced to repeat what others have said. There are people who say that IA is in ethiopia for two reasons. The first being to sign some papers on some economic agreements, but the main reason seems to be that IA came to instill some wisdom into daud ibsa’s little and narrow tribalist brain, before a showdown with pm Abiy that may go even up to the use of force, to control the duet daud ibsa and jawar, who both of them feel that they have been invited to rule independent oromia including addis, with the help of the querro, something they did not succeed on the battle field.

        It is said that IA knows a lot about daud who lived for about 20 yrs in eritrea and most probably came to warn him that he will not allow him to run back to eritrea, and he better not be an obstacle to the change.

        It is plausible, but, what seems more true is that the two, daud ibsa and jawar, as naive and power mongers as they are, may create a political crisis that could be disastrous. Others, like the oromo general, and some other oromo politician are avoiding olf and have joined team lemma and odp.

        Finally, a friend of Abiy is the friend of the ethiopian youth, and therefore IA has become the darling of the ethiopian youth. Just look at his broad smile.

    • Aligaz G

      Horizon,

      Horses are severely abused in Ethiopia. You see them abandoned on the old hwy to Nazret from Addis all the time.

  • Nitricc

    Hi All, I think it is time we settled the truth. I read from so many Eritreans that Eritrea started the war. It is perfectly okay to disagree and hate PIA but how about the truth? I know you are bombarded with the anti Eritrean elements but you ought to you self and to your dignity to see the truth. The region is entering in to new peace atmosphere but with examining the truth and calling it for what it is, it is only about time we go back to war once again. TPLF must apologize for the destruction it costed and only then we can have the real peace. I heard the other day Dr. Debretsion saying let’s forget everything and start anew with Eritrea, not so fast. And to the Eritreans accusing the nation of Eritrea look in to the mirror and take back your dishonesty self.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y1pHwrW5jU

    • Nitricc

      Hi All, equally important; who won the war? If Ethiopia can’t beat eritrea when they were united most in their history; how are they going to try once more. eritrea is safe and survived thanks for the barve Eritrean people and brave leader of Eritrea, PIA.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gei2sSzeeMM

    • Hayat Adem

      Nitricc,
      Answer two easy questions:
      1) what did 3rd parties say about it?
      2) what did IA at the start of the war and at the end of the war? why the difference?

      • Nitricc

        Hayat i know how cropted and dishonest you are but i am obliged to show you this. your TPLF thugs are nothing but thugs. you may fool the foolish Ethiopians but never the awakened Eritreans.the good news is people like Amanueal and Amde will buy your BS but the truth is this …..
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMu0P0-9rOA

    • Blink

      Dear Nitricc
      May be this is wrong forum to address such because as you know most people who zoom here are mostly weyane sympathizers. The truth about the war is known for all Eritreans and now for most Ethiopians . Weyane are the one who started it but since truth has different meaning for you know who.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Blink but at the end of the day, they must accept the truth. I have no idea where freaking Eritrea is but i respect and honor what her children did to create here. Day in day out i hear, everything is Eritrea’s fault and i resent to that propaganda BS! I know people like Hayat trying to silence Eritrea every time they got the chance and we are here to defend the nations name and dignity. Eritrea was the victim but you have the so called Eritreans destroying Eritrea whenever they get the chance. It is my duty to restore the good bravery of the Eritrean people. I know on this forum, just to get to PIA the name of Eritrea and the deeds of the Tegadelti have trashed just to appease the TPLF thugs, well no more!!!!!!

        • Acria

          Selam Nitricc,

          Eritrea is sold to Ethiopia. Instead of going backwards think forward. Learn from the past but never dwell on them! The reason we are in this mess is because of the incompetence of our leaders who would not dare to give freedom to their own people. You know the saying ‘absolute power corrupts absolutely?’ That is what is going on with our DIA and is followers. It is okay to love our DIA because of what he did during the liberation movement. But, to defend him when the situation is going worse in Eritrea is beyond recourse. I like the peace process, I like the open borders, but I don’t like the stagnancy back at home. Think forward!

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Acria,
            “Eritrea is sold to Ethiopia” How about on the contrary?
            If Ethiopia is sold to Eritrea.
            I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Reclaim Abyssinia,
            I do not think Eritreans can or want to buy Ethiopia. If Ethiopians sold their country to Isaias, good luck with the new owner. The point is Eritreans neither nether want (or can) buy any other country nor willing to sell their country to others.
            Now , since you requested hearing from us, that is my view on the whole Berrie Terra trade 🙂

          • Acria

            Selam Reclaim Abyssinia,

            Eritrea is weak now: politically and economically. It doesn’t have a vibrant society inside the country. The country is so docile that every Eritrean wants an exit regardless how treacherous the journey might be: staying in refugee camps in Ethiopia or Sudan, crossing the desolate Sahara desert, crossing the unforgiving Mediterranean Sea, you name it, they are willing to take any chances.

            When you are desperate and when you are abused by your own government, let alone a border, a country has no value to you. This desperation, at works for the last 27-years, whether it was done on purpose or haplessly, is the impetus of “selling Eritrea to Ethiopia”. Moreover, the sanctioned and weakened regime needed a way out of the “TaKhela’ it created.

            Any peace process is good! I hope it brings something for the poor Eritrean people.The open border has brought some economic activities that is benefitting to some extent both peoples of the border towns. Nevertheless, it happened when we were at our weakest moment and I am afraid that our Eritrean independence might have been compromised.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Thanks, Acria and Saleh,

            I do value your opinion and very much appreciate for taking the time to satisfy my curiosity.

            Acria: If the country is ready for submissive, then why to Ethiopia? Why not to any other country that really wants to have access to Eritrea and Eritrean as much as Ethiopia want Eritrea?
            I completely agree with you on the refugee crisis that we are faced with.. the last time when I left Eritrea, it was because of “ከምሰብካ” lifestyle that I couldn’t sustain…
            I do not see Eritrea as a nation being reversible in terms of it’s sovereignty, but my guess is Eritrea(IA) believes can have control over Ethiopia activity, and I also believe team Abiy have faith in PIA to solve most of the Ethiopian Problem, including TPLF upper hand, what we don’t know is, how much that’s going to cost him.

            Saleh: “I do not think Eritreans can or want to buy Ethiopia.”
            Just for the sake of argument, I agree with the term “do not want” but not with the “can not”.
            I remember during the 1992-3 era, most Ethiopian public opinion was for Eritrea(IA) to rule Ethiopia and maintain the unity, and some of the Eritrean was making a bit of joke.. saying that “a slice of cake is better than a big bread” or something to that effect… that was just the vibe of the people. Therefore, in my opinion, I believe Eritrea have the tools and power to buy Ethiopia, if this is considered to be as a trade deal, then the big Question is; what’s that Eritrea bringing to the table as a trade-in? I think that’s the part where it’s not clear for all.
            p.s I know buy&Sell is not the right term, it was probably inherited from Mengistu propaganda of selling to the Arabs etc..
            Thanks,
            RA

          • haileTG

            Selam RA

            If Ethiopia is sold to Eritrea??? What have we done to be wished that? To buy a 108 million people country with one’s 3.5 million country is like buying Tiger for the family Fasika celebration. I think you would find the Tiger washing the dishes after the hearty meal:)

          • Selam haileTG,

            How about a rotation of people so that IA will not remain alone, an emperor without his people. If he lives long, this could be the final outcome. From about 50 eritreans crossing the border daily in to ethiopia, it has now become almost 400.

            If the same number of ethiopians are allowed, who voluntarily want to move to eritrea, a balance could be reached. But the border should be open so that people can move freely in both directions without any problem. Those who change their minds may travel back freely. This way eritrea may have her 3.5mn population. Who knows IA may like it and even change his rule for the better. Lately he seems infatuated with ethiopians.

            Nevertheless, what about the ultra-nationalist eritreans who would oppose vehemently and say that ethiopia is silently and subtly invading eritrea, changing its demography, and the rest?
            (just meant as a joke).

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Selamat HaileTG,
            Lol…, I smell fear or is that the “indifference”

            How about from a different perspective..

            The Indian bought Gambella farmland for a dollar a hectare or very cheap… Lots of lands need development in south Ethiopia. Leave Oromia out for now due to the unrest.

            Another scenario might or might not be relevant but I will just put it out there for your analysis.

            Chinese always want to take back Taiwan without considering the consequence.

            What’s that it takes for Taiwan to join China?

            I guess, first the political system has to change in China, such as election have take place.

            The Taiwanese already took over most of the manufacturing in China, but all research and development still remain in Taiwan.

            I don’t think the Taiwanese find the 1 billion mainland Chinese as a threat… But if these two countries joins, Taiwan parties will be rolling China without a doubt.
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Berhe Y

            Dear RA,

            I know you mean good, I really do. The problem I think is, as Eritreans we need to sort our path and our destination on our own. The only time in recent history that we were able to decide for our own (sort of freely) was during the 1952-58 federation time. And during those short years, we were able to have grand plans and grand ideas for our people. It was the only time, Eritreans had some relative peace and we were focused to do things for our own (even though there was interference).

            Taiwan was able to do what’s good for them without interference from China for over 50years. For all that time, I think they were in state of war with protection from the US. It’s china who was matured and made huge reforms that now the two sides are working as partners instead of one dominating the other. Had the Chinese as they were during restrict communist rules, I doubt it would be possible. Off course the case of Ethiopia today is not like the Chinese but Eritrea is.

            I was reading this FB comments from some Ethiopians who are asking the PM to fire the CEO of Ethiopian airlines. I don’t see any reason but for being from Tigray. From what I see from an outside, I think he is doing an amazing job for where he is taking the airlines. Asking for his resignation, unless he failed in his job, sounds really, really childish at best and evil at worst.

            I didn’t believe to the extent the ethnic division that exist among Ethiopians and I don’t think it’s the TPLF fault altogether. I think Ethiopian need to come to terms with this artificial divide and see the opportunities that exist and lead by example. Ethiopians should look at Ethiopian airlines and use it’s vast network to take advantage and build on trade with the rest of the continent. I don’t know if that’s the case in Eritrea. We have a lot work to focus on our own before mixing our problems and move from one problem to another problem.

            I saw this interesting article today which shows how the world economy is divided among nations. If you add the whole African continent doesn’t even add to 5% (including SA, Nigeria and Egypt).

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/421341404f1e6742d67e44aa596a13134e6fe59e2ef41554dd2e7c1572214002.jpg

            Berhe

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Berhe,

            Thank you for understanding, Offcourse my stand is always good for Eritrea & Eritrean. I will always remember this statement of “Ibrahim Sultan, “Statement by the Chairman of the delegation of the Muslim League of Eritrea”, Fifth session Ad Hoc Political Committee, UN. 1950-11-21.”

            point out a few points from your post.

            1. Taiwan was in a state of war with protection from the US

            Yes, absolutely True, I understand that Eritrea/n doesn’t have the luxury of that opportunity.

            2 The only time in recent history that we were able to decide for our own (sort of freely) was during the 1952-58 federation time.

            I think there seems to be a lot of untold stories (forgive me if I’m wrong) during/before and after this short period of time, Eritrean were very much divided back then & now, and the division was so bad, they probably want to kill each other immediately, I think the people that were in power at the time, treated each other with the attitude of “you either with us or against us.. no if, no but..” which allowed for the external power to take the opportunity. Just personal opinion nothing substantiated.

            3. I was reading this FB comments from some Ethiopians who are asking the PM to fire the CEO of Ethiopian airlines.

            I think the campaign already taking off heavily. Yes, it’s unpleasant and unfair.

            But look at the history,
            when the military took over power, then they instated their own people in every government sector, When EPRDF took over, they instated their own people everywhere, Now Queeroo is wantingto do the same, and they are questioning the Ethiopian people if they have been fair to them. They are furious for not being part of the beneficiary, since they brought change to Ethiopia….. they feel that people are turning their back on them, knowing that it’s there turn now to be on power. I guess I don’t blame them,
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Berhe Y

            Dear RA,

            I am not a history buff but I know a little based on what I heard. There was interference from outside forces, specially from Ethiopian supporting the “Andnet movement” while those for “independence” were in their own. It was not a fair game to begin with. But even with all that, Eritreans were able to successfully elect their representatives, and form a legitimate government. The government was working fine and it has a lot of great vision and plans but they blame the Ethiopian government (because of the arrangements in taxes, budget etc) that caused a rift and soon the relation ship started to deteriorate and eventually for it’s collapse. Eritreans have a chance to make a choice to decide their faith in the referendum, and I think the people made their choice very clear at that time.

            I heard some Ethiopians question the legitimacy, although it’s understandable (specially how PFDJ turned out to be today) but I can assure the sentiment at that time towards anything Ethiopia was really reflected what was on the ground. And that’s not because of EPLF/PFDJ propaganda but through the fear and abuse the people lived under the DERG administration during those times.

            I understand the frustration the Qerro movement may feel but I think the change the brought leads to the constitution to be respected and the rule of law is supreme, then that’s all they should hope for and should be proud. It’s our turn to be in power, i think will never fix the problem but it continues the cycle. Those past governments, DERG, TPLF come through armed means and it’s typical what they ended up doing. But the Qerro movement used peaceful means to effect change and the end result should be change to democratic government.

            As to the Ethiopian Airlines CEO, the campaign I read was from Amhara guy. Now asking for his resignation may be legitimate if there is some wrong doing but just because who he is, specially since he has a record that he can show for, then it’s all for wrong reason that would lead to the downfall of the airlines. For any company to be successful the management is very important part, if not the most important. Warren Buffet says “Bet on the Jockey, Not the Horse”.

            My point is, until Ethiopians transcend this ethnic based politics and see themselves different people (when in reality the are all the same) then they have a long way to go to achieve success.

            Berhe

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Berhe,

            I am a bit sass about the whole history of Eritrea before Hamid Awate, relationships with the Eritrean parliamentary members, as well as the relationship of Osman Sabbe with the Asmara based political movement people (if existed) after he returns to Eritrea as a young man and teacher.

            I think there is a missing puzzle during those time there is no much story being told about the reason for the division, and the delivery of the story is not in an educational form in order to avoid the history of the division among Eritrean doesn’t repeat itself.

            I’m just a bit obsessed with Eritrean history lately, after observing the wave of the current change. That seems all the things that I have been taught about the wrongdoing of the so-called the unionist are now questionable because I was not really taught the surrounding circumstance. I now query the reason behind why some of the Eritrean people chose what they have chosen at that time. I also wonder that if the division among Eritrean is still significant.

            Today, I took the time to research a bit about the history of Eritrea, and look like I got lucky to strike on this journal article called The Emergence of Political Parties in Eritrea, 1941-1950, Lloyd Ellingson. Here’s some of the point that I extracted for now.

            The criteria for affiliation with a particular party varied considerably.
            • Some merchants and urban notables, for example, felt union would bring freer trade with the possible elimination of the customs barriers which existed between Eritrea and Ethiopia.
            • Others chose a political party on the basis of its potential for success, since to espouse political opinions and offer support to the losing party was to risk violent reprisal; this was the fate of several leaders of the anti-unionist group, notably Woldeab Woldemariam.
            • There were others, ‘dismissed headmen and officials, rivals and pretenders, criminals and fanatics’, who, ‘discontented with their present lot’,” supported irredentism, hoping that Eritrea under Ethiopia’s leadership would bring them some advantage.
            • On the other hand, Harold Courlander, historian for the Gura Aerodrome Project, observed that some small chiefs and lesser individuals, who had fared well under the Italians and the British, feared union because their collaboration might expose them to personal harm from any Ethiopian regime.’2
            • The financing of the political parties clearly revealed the interests of their backers. The non-unionist parties were largely financed by their membership, although outsiders, namely resident Italians, occasionally made sizeable contributions.
            • The Pro-Italy Party, favouring an Italian trusteeship, was sustained by the Italian community.
            • The Unionist Party was handsomely subsidized by the Ethiopian Government although, of course, this was never publicly admitted.’3
            • Throughout the middle and late I940s, the Orthodox priesthood openly encouraged Christians to favour the union of Eritrea with Ethiopia. The aim of the church’s propaganda was not difficult to assess.14 Longrigg observed that the ‘priesthood, a powerful force especially in rural districts, [could] expect greater liberty and privilege under a Coptic Empire’.”5 There is ample evidence to suggest that the Orthodox Church in Eritrea not only supplied money, through its agents, to the Unionist cause but also warned its congregations that if they did not support union, they would be excommunicated or at least fall into disfavour.16

            Cheers,
            RA

          • Berhe Y

            Dear RA,

            Thank you for this wealth of information on Eritrean history. Although I undestood the motives of those involved but this information you provided does give ample evidence that there were many players who influenced the outcome.

            I can tell you today with confidence that as far as Eritrea independence goes there no division in the great majority. If there are any, it would be with those who are currently ruling and their supporters who were supporters of “demarcation first” lots.

            In any case a strong democratic and free Ethiopia will play a great and important role to influence everyone in the region. A peaceful Eritrea, at peace with it self and it’s neighbour will give a lot of break for everyone in the region.

            Berhe

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc
      Don’t start again.
      If you really want to know please go and read the Border Commission decision. This is a settled mater even IA accepted it.

    • Acria

      Selam Nitricc,

      You are too late! Eritreans and Tigreans are happy to mingle with each other. You need to go to Mekelle to see how Eritreans are being received by the Tigrean people. On the ground, forget old guards of TPLF and EPLF. The Eritreans, especially the youth, are so angry how they were blind-folded from everything by the PFDJ when they see how the people of Tigray are free and everything is available and cheap.

  • haileTG

    Selamat awatista, happy weekend!

    The beauty of hate is the topic. If someone hates you, no doubt you trust it. But if some one loves you, chances is that you would doubt. If love and hate are said to be the same energies, why then the world has more hate? We often forget our friends, but never forget our enemies. When you experience love, it is often skin-deep, yet hate is gut deep. Why does hate feel powerful and love superficiel? Go no further, no one taught you about hate. No parents would teach you that, no teachers or no religious leaders have done so. Thus, hate remained natural, intact, unadultered, uncorrupted. While everone taught us their version of love, we grow up witnessing the concept of love abused to mean almost anything, for greed, pride, dishonesty, domination and what have you. Hence, love was replaced by something fake, false, doubtful, selfish and the rest. Yet, hate was left alone, to express in its natural ways and in the absence of natural love, it has come to naturally dominate the human mind. It has a certain unique beauty in the sense, that it commands desires, intentions and memories. To counter balance it we need to regain the natural love that is the interelated opposite of hate. But for most people older than 7, it is probably too late:)

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear haileTG,

      This is what I try to say those,,,the hate and love are mental states..We must go beyond all those society teaches us..then we will come to know our mission,,think in ward ..to search within..

      KS,,

      • Blink

        Dear k.S
        Our mission? I don’t understand it at all . Who gave as the mission? Can you explain more because if there is a mission beyond human control and if humans are trying to get there , it will certainly make a point from love and hate perspective.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Blink,

          I really don’t know how to explain at this moment..can you give me more time..then we should talk? Thank you in advance..

          KS,,

        • Aligaz G

          Blink,

          KS and haile are away on a trip so let me welcome you to the peace corner. With music of course. It will all be clear to you

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYE4-_Yzj60

    • Aligaz G

      Haile,

      Shashemene bud is the way to go but dont let them catch you in Chechnya it’s a one way ticket to a “re-education camp”. lol
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vdB-8eLEW8g

    • Selam haile TG,

      I think it was Darwin who first talked about the “selfish gene”, a gene acquired during human development. It may have relation with his theory of “survival of the fittest” in nature and now in human society.

      Selfishness and hate have a relationship, i think. Hate is the manifestation of self interest. If there is a way in the future to prove that indeed such a gene exists, then it will not be easy for human beings to change, not to hate but to love, even if there is enough for everybody’s need as Ghandi said.
      .
      In addition, the environment (economic condition, immigration, etc), trigger hate, as seen in western europe and the usa. Therefore, self interest, and the wellbeing of the individual first and foremost (that of course includes the immediate relatives) are the main reason hate is much more abundant than love in the world, me think.

      • welde

        Hi Horizon,

        Its an open secret that you love to hate Tigrayans and anything associated with Tigrayans. Do you think this hate of yours really emanates from “manifestation of self interest” or envy and the desire for vengeance. I am sure the majority of Awate readers know that you have left Ethiopia at the time of the demise of Dergue,1990. Some say you have abandoned a sinking ship, and you blame Woyane for that part of your life.
        I think its about time you follow Dr Abiy and stand for peace and forgiveness.

        kind regards,
        wolde

      • haileTG

        Selamat Horizon, and everyone…

        Also I agree with all your theories of Love vs. Hate, let’s not go there. The key argument I would like to make is this: anything that is in you which has been subjected to preaching, lecturing, education, conditioning and the rest is rendered mute, corrupt, weak and ineffective. While anything in you that is left alone from the social, family, school. religious conditioning is left fresh, natural, full of life and dynamics of natural prowess. Love is normally conditioned on us by almost every do gooder, and look what happened to it. But hate was never touched and left alone, unconditioned and as raw as it was give to us by nature. It takes you not even an instant to know some one hates you but a person can tell you that they love you for a life time and you would still doubt it. When hate arises, it quickly overtakes your faculty and deploys your energies without much ado. Yet when love arises, it is usually weak, clumsy, unsure and insecure. Natural love is not like that (like a mother’s love to her new born), it is as moving and dynamic as hate. Yet, because society decided that love was good and therefore they should control how it is described, experienced and understood, they destroyed your experience of pure natural love in the process. Pure natural hate was left alone to stay in its natural state in you. And mother nature tended it to be what it is and how it expresses. So, we are not really trying to see if love is better or if hate is bad, rather it is a deep reflection that in the world today, hate is powerful and love is buried under a tonne of rubble.

        If people struggled for true love of freedom and not hate of the oppressor, the result would have been different. But in truth, most of us live and die for what we hate and not love. Shame of humanity at its worst!!

        • Selam haileTG,

          This is a difficult philosophical question. I do not think i can say much.
          Hate seems to be inherent while love is external. Hate seems to be instinctive, while love requires conditioning, as you said. One has to learn to love, while it is not necessary to learn to hate. It comes by itself. Love needs trust as its foundation, again as you said. That may be the reason why it is so easy to hate and so difficult to love.

          Hate may be among the mechanisms of survival during human development, and that may be why it is so natural, while love is about the wellbeing of the other outside oneself, a sacrifice by denying oneself to a certain extent.

          Do you remember the Malian refugee, who saved a small child hanging from a balcony in Paris. When he entered the saloon of the child’s apartment after saving him, the Malian refugee said, “that was when he realized what he had done and how he had put himself in danger, and his legs were shaking and he couldn’t stand, and he had to sit down”. This act was against what nature had taught throughout human development, i.e. self-preservation. Parisians on the other hand were responding to what nature wanted of them to do, i.e. stand and watch the drama of a child hanging from a balcony, and not putting themselves in danger to save the child, faithful to their inner call. The Malian guy had blocked the door to his inner self, his natural instinct for that short moment. What he showed was his love for somebody else’s life, putting his own in danger.

          When somebody goes to war is it not the same. Here there is a mixture of love and hate, love for one’s kind and hate for the other, and there is conditioning and the trophy of victory as well to expect.

          The love of a mother for her child may be the love for her own genes as it occurs in all animal kingdom.

          In my opinion, religion came to mitigate and control that natural hate by acting from the outside. In the christian religion i know, the ten commandments may have been given for this purpose. What does it teach, mainly the love for the other. What did Jesus teach, about love. Cain killed Abel, and that was the first hate. The bible does not say Cain saved Abel from drowning by putting himself in danger. This shows Hate came with nature, and Love came latter on out of need. Otherwise, the story of Abel and Cain would have been different.

          I do not know if it is possible to love freedom and ignore those who take away your freedom, the oppressors. This was what Jesus taught, “if they slap you on one cheek, turn to them the other too”. If human beings had put into practice this teaching, the world may have been a different place, i do not know.

          Maybe human spirit will always be in a continuous struggle to control hate and at the same time manifest love. Or, if AIs, robots and automation create a world of abundance and security for human material needs, love could be the winner over hate. Nevertheless, is it possible when the population of the world will be at least 10bn by 2050?

          • haileTG

            Selam Horizon,

            You’re right there is no sure answer to these questions. They have been there for thousands of years and still going on. My favorite theory is that love is the energy of union and hate is the energy of separation. Survival and procreation are the sole purpose of a living body. But the purpose of life is surely greater than that. Every seed is travelling until it flowers. But many seeds never make it and some do. But they both work for survival and procreation, although the ultimate beauty it to flower and fill the air with beautiful scent and its buds with sweet nectar. A life that doesn’t know pure natural love is like the seed that never made it to flowering, one that only known isolation, separation and withering away. Yet, a life that finds it will ultimately flower to the truest meaning of what it is like to be alive. Societal conditioning is the first and last hurdle of becoming. That is why we confuse the hell out of each other as to what is love and not love. And most of us have fallen victim of that and live and die without arriving at the flowering stage 🙁

    • Nitricc

      Hey Haile; I always thought that the source of hate is fear. No?

      • haileTG

        Hi Nitricc, yes you’re right. We like or we don’t like that is the basis of every single experience from birth to death. We go after what we like and we run away from what we don’t like. We project love/attachment towards our likes and we project hate/rejection towards our dislikes. We feel secure about our likes and we fear our dislikes. To neither like or dislike is equipoise. To love something outside equipoise is to hate the opposite and to hate is to love the opposite. You can’t catch without getting caught. Fear can cause hate, in the same way hate can fuel fear. One is neither the cause nor the effect. The tree is in the seed and the seed is in the tree. I will stop here so GetsTaste can elaborate the above before I go and take you much much deeper 🙂

        • Nitricc

          Hi Haile; the reason i came up with that conclusion is; when i was 8 years old, i was walking with my father in the park. while we were walking a playful dog comes charging towards to us and i went right to the dog and hugged the dog and play my father took off running. I never saw him moving that fast. When i was done with dog my dad nowhere to be found. I caught to him and i said what happened? He said ” i hate dogs, i hate dogs” I say why? and he proceeded to tell me story how multiple times dogs traumatized him when he growing up in Asmara. I was laughing so hard he got mad. So, to cut the story short, people don’t really hate but they fear.

          • haileTG

            Haha Thanks for sharing that Nitricc. Yes, I agree with the way you put it that hate is essentially fear. In fact fear is much deeper and can be masked in many forms. As you say hate is one. In addition to hate, the core of anger, greed, pride and most other vices are fear at the core. It is like saying rings, bracelets, necklaces and other jewelleries are gold at the core. Careful with this analogy though, it doesn’t go all the way. So, I agree hate is a form of fear. Fear is the ultimate sense of disappearance. But your father’s true feeling might have been avoidance because he doesn’t really go to harm or mistreat dogs. Which is the natural expression of hate. But that must have been funny for you and your dad. Bless him!

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi to All end hope you all having a great weekend over “love & hate” great topic.

            If I may share this hypothetical story of mine based on a true event that took place as a young person.

            We used to take around 6 pm walk often with my dad as a child, in the street of Addis, later known to be as a love street.

            Every time we see a dog walking or running around while taking the 6 pm walk.. my father quickly pick up a few stones from the side of the pavement and hand it to me to throw at the dog. I was the best thrower that doesn’t miss its aim, I was also used to have “Bala” in my back pocket, to protect the neighbourhood from aggressive dogs and birds that hung out on the telecom pole.

            I was so talented on throwing a stone, and it used to be admired by the wider neighbourhood kids.
            I used to be able to bring down a bird from the Telcom pole so easily, but when it comes down to a cat we had to be careful, because if you kill a cat, you will get a shaky hand for the rest of your life, so we don’t mess around with the cat.
            So, if near future me and nitric run for a mayor of Asmara I think his dad will definitely vote for me because I know how to keep the dogs off the park &street, and its absolutely wrong the dog you don’t know in the park, because the dogs carry disease and if you get beaten by one, you get 30+ injection on your tummy.

            Speaking of love, I remember Maddona ” What have you done for me lately?”
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi, All again,
            why is PIA visiting a sugar factory in omo?
            My guess is as good as yours but I think Eritrea is buying/investing in Omo river development, if that’s the case I must conclude that, this is truly a demonstration of “game over”!

            What is the Ethiopian are saying about the frequent visit of PIA?

            A friend in need is a friend indeed
            This is what support is when some say z country is not stable ur friends turn up N say no that is not true!
            My tnx go to PIA of Eritrea

            Other comments,

            While hating ወያነ, the participation in the launching ceremony & development of the factory, reflect that weyane is the entrepreneur. ወያነ does the real development, ህግደፍ / ኦዴፖዎች they just paint it with lipstick.

            Looks like people are not realising that PIA is taking over of the underdeveloped & amazing part of south Ethiopia. At the moment, not even Eritrea want to be in Oromia?

            The three Ethiopian selasey (ስላሴ/trinities) looked very disappointed to see PIA in a suite, they dress with PIA style fashion but unfortunately, PIA turned up in a suite, hmmm.. Someone is acting like a big-time hustler. I’m only saying this because it reminds me of the picture of Lenin, Marx & Engles, and we used to call them “The three selasey”.
            Its great to see that Eritrea has investment or economic interest in south Ethiopia. I have travelled through the south especially around the Omo river, and its a place that I wouldn’t mind to retire. Once PIA visits that area, it will be impossible to turn his back on it.
            South Ethiopia picture, taken this year.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15d91b0278ba93087ab7a86f6d80b85e5becdb5a8ad906dc1facdd44053f1bbb.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/45a40dcd1d51fe4c5c1b17be49eb0a72b0de064bbbcd8b5dc90c5fc3a5ae03b1.jpg

          • Kaddis

            Abyssinia hoy,
            Your question would have made sense if you asked, where did this Sugar factory became a site for a head of state visit when we were told Woyané consumed the budget?
            South Ethiopia is now a hot destination of fashion, music and tourism…

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Kaddis,
            I understand your point, its valid with the current situation.
            I have grown up in the communist era, If you are trying to indicate propaganda, I think I know it all..
            Just from my hands-on experience, I can tell you that I was very surprised when I first saw weyyane & Shabiya rebels/ soldiers being a human. . I guess that’s saying a lot about propaganda.

            I’m not sure about fashion & music but I agree about tourism, but I have lots of love for the south than tourism.

            The main subject is, I think weyane really lost to PIA, way beyond Bademe. It looks like they lost the entire development that they place.

            I heard that lots of Tigray people are now in Asmara, and they are going door-door selling ይሽቅጡ ለው, like ዓካት.
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Kaddis,

            You make such a crisp, clean point based on facts. I appreciate your fair minded occasional reports.

            Mr. K.H

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam k h
            Fact 1, today’s inaugurated suger factory was given to “metec” to build it and they consumed the budget and they were not able to build it.
            Fact 2, the government of hd cancelled the “metec” contract and gave it to Chinese company And the Chinese company r the one built it.

          • Nitricc

            Hi RA; what do you think this analysis?It seems PIA is deep in Ethiopia politics.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He-tcuPowSA

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Nitric,
            Thanks for that, things are not as they seem to be….

            የአፍ ወልመታ በቂቤ አይታሽም
            The way I interpret that, Abiy is saying, it’s too bad we got to take action! No forgiveness, so why would Abiy attempt to attack Dawed.

            Dawed, is a very resourceful person, he owns most of Welega, to gambela area traditional gold mines.

            If I was him I don’t think I would like to share that with anybody without enough incentive, such as become a president of Oromia, etc.

            It’s also obvious the reason why he is getting a special treatment from PIA. Places after Dembedolo towards Sudan has always been a big gold smuggling area, so I guess Dawed is a powerful person with 30 years of Gold mining power.
            I hope for this info to help you with your analysis and conclusion.
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam RA,

            Is Dawed a member of OLF organization? He seems to advocate for a democracy that respects “group rights” and “individual rights” from his interview. Second, if he is one of them, what is their demand in order to lay down their arms? Are they using it as a tool for compromising, what ever that compromise it is?

          • David Samson

            Selam Emma,

            Dawed not only is a member of OLF but leads the same organisation too. The laying down of the arms stems out from lack of trust. This must be seen within historical context. One of OLF’s leaders (Forget the name for now) had an extensive interview with TV-LTV. After the fall of the Dergue, the OLF was one of the organisations which participated in the transitional government. To cut the story short, after OLF lay down its arms, TPLF had renegade*.

            What I find bizarre is IA has been invited to mediate between the parties. IA has been not known for his mediation skills, but for threats and blackmailing.

            At some point, unless both parties come to agreement, there will be confrontations. It might lead for PMAA to use some force which might lead to another cycle of violence.

            I also find difficult to understand RA’s claims that Dawed controls regions with gold. If this chap lived in Eritrea until recently, how did he manage to control resources? Is this through remote control, or some shadowy figures?
            PS; *I did not make any judgement or take sides as to the validity of each side’s claim.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,

            Thank you for the info. I am a bit behind on the OLF politics and their constituency. I have never thought they will come back to a “game play” in the Ethiopian politics since they left the EPRDF alliance and replaced by the OPDO.You can never say “never” in politics, and sure politics has its own cycle.

            I also agree OLF will not lay down their arm, wether it is from mistrust or looking to the mantle of power. The government of Abiy will not have choice except to disarm them by force. Abiy’s Government will use force to bring stabilities, the idea for which he criticized his predecessors until he become sure he has a good grip on the power of the state. We shall see.

          • David Samson

            Selam Emma,
            Here is the name of the person.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=767&v=zlC7DcTOaZE

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,
            Thank you sir.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Amanuel,

            I don’t think none of the media/group asked your question, I also made a couple of phone calls & asked your question of compromising; and all the answer was mambo jambo.

            So coming back to your question, what is that Abiy has to compromise in pursuance of disarming Dawed?

            My guess is Dawed might need to be able to use his wealth, money, power & resources, without being accountable with the source of the fund, without restriction on future investments, & wanting to have power over his own jurisdiction may be Wellega and surrounding.

            I am not sure if Dawed will be willing to give up his 30-year achievement to the new structure without the clear future objective of his OLF, and is being subject to audit by the Ethiopian government. Imagine Dawed being audited by B/General Hailu Gonfaa & General Kemal Gelchu.

            General Kemal Gelchu

            The former Ethiopian army general who fled to Eritrea in 2006, Chairperson of the United Front for Independent Oromia, has been appointed as head of Oromia Regional State’s Administration and Security Bureau.

            B/General Hailu Gonfaa is now the new commissioner of Oromia police forces.

            Based on WikiLeaks Date:2008 November 5, 11:46 (Wednesday)

            “Oromo Liberation Front (OLF), Daawud Ibsa, claims to have consolidated control of the party after a failed takeover attempt by General Kamal Galchuu, a deserter from the Ethiopian army who reputedly wanted to launch the OLF on a more militant trajectory.”

            Cheers,
            RA

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam RA,

            Thank you for the feedback. Ethiopia has serious problems. The Oromo political factions have become an obstacle for any possible change in the overall Ethiopian politics. The current PM does not look capable to address the current crises. Sitting and watching from the Menelik Palace without active engagement does not render any kind of solution. The only remaining hope he has is on what the Eritrean despot can/can’t do on the Oromo factions. We shall see how his “joker card” plays out in the Ethiopian politics and can build a ladder for his power, to achieve his overdue dreams.

    • Hayat Adem

      HTG,
      This is simply a treasure. What a piercing topic! Thanks a lot.
      If you allow me to reflect on this issue, the natural default is not hate nor love. It is rather indifference. Indifference is the departure point. An animal would be indifference to any considerations other than needs prioratized in order of immediacy and intensity. A newly born child would be indifferwnt to even existential factors.
      I would say, both love and hate are extreme zones of indifference on both ending points. Love can take as much resources as it can from the indifference territory, and no body is bothered. Hate, too can take as much resources as it can from the indifference constituency, and nobody would be bothered. That is, of çourse, as long as the indifference zone is too thick, too rich and too affluent to feel the encroching hands of the pain body. Both ñove and hate are parts ofbthe pain body. My friend of eternity Kokhob Selam knows what I am talking about. But if the indifference layer happens to be too thin to be indifferent, the competion between hate and love becomes too lethal. Then the battle is felt. The pain is experienced. That is why the battle of hate and love feels bitter in smaller places than in bigger ones. Solution: make the indifference zone thicker enough. Be part of the bigger space.

      • haileTG

        Hello Hayata,

        Spot on! Indefference is the natural order all around us. Both animals and new born babies are in pre-egoic state. In other words, present, alert and free. For us, it is as you said a matter of how much indifference we can muster. This is easily confused with being un caring or unhelpful. But the trick is to recognize it as abiding truth instead. I am sure not everyone would be comfortable to start with this though.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam HaileTG,

      I am less persuaded with “indifference” being the natural order of human behavior. I subscribe to the belief by those who advance the argument that human beings are smart animals. For evidence, they observe other animals in their natural state, fully hard wired, on display.

      I read somewhere sometime ago, human beings began to change to survive, in dramatic ways some 5 or 6 or ? hundred, (million) years ago, not long in matters of this kind.
      Our current state is not natural, it is man made, probably began to develop in early European land.
      What is natural for human is to be tribal or band and take what they need from others who have it. The gang, band or tribal organization became bigger, bigger and more complex to today.
      The individual must be educated from birth to adopt and shade off the basic instincts to belong to the new big tribe (society-nation). Both religion and education created this new man and woman to struggle through life against nature’s design. We do the best we can but the natural tendency is still to gravitate to belong to that tribal, band or gang unit.( that will assure us our individual survival and the pursuit of happiness)

      So the modern, love hate software is attempting to explain the ancient hardware of I “love” my gang and “hate” those who have what I need and refuse to give it to ME reality.

      Mr. K. H

      • haileTG

        Selamat Mr. K.H

        First, a joke… a Pentecostal christian says to his friend “I am a born again christian”. And his friend replies “oh well, I am a born again again again…Hindu” 🙂 But have we been around for that many million years? Don’t quote me on it but I thought we were much younger than that (may be <3 million)?

        Any how, I agree the term indifference may be misleading. I use equipoise state of being. Not much on how you act and interact, but your natural state. It is more internal than external. Nowadays, especially in the west, hate is so weaved into the fabric of social psych. From school yard bullying to work place harassment, character assassinations of political and social forms, race relations, sectarian divisions, METOO and what have you, life is simply distorted and made ugly. What surprises most is however, it is love that is most sang about, preached about, celebrated about and the rest. But Miss Love with her big megaphone is left way behind in the race by Grand witch Madam Hate 🙂 Why?? It all boils down to the individual being that is socially conditioned in ways that kill off the natural growth of the human being into a fully actualized person.

        The western societies are the last to help with this. We need to look east or inside to investigate. The world's wealthiest democracy, USA, has state of emergency declared on the opium crisis, over half its population suffers some kind of mental wellness problems, looks back to bygone days of segregation and walled off society with nostalgia, its pharmaceutical companies are on par with its agricultural sector in production and consumption. We may say the world is the most advanced in science and technology at this time, but we can't say the most open, accepting and tolerant by any standards. So, there is an asynchronous development model of better means hellish going on somewhere. What gives? We need to recognize that hate is a powerful natural energy as love is. It was left to be in its natural most volatile state, while love, the counter energy, was nipped in the bud due to conditioning of the person.

        Here is food for thought before closing: we always tell a child what they need to do to be good. In other words, we tell them that they are not already good. The child doesn't of course learn what we tell them to do (as it is often contradictory) but remember that they are not already good. By extension, they believe no body is already good. Here dies the natural inborn self love.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam HaileTG,

          Your last paragraph says it all. We spend roughly 1/3 of our lives to adopt to live in the world we are in. It is a constant battle against the natural hard wiring.
          I am not saying it is not necessary for the survival of the 7 billion people, more or less, accommodated better than ever before.
          Who wants to live in Colorado, USA or London, England, seven hundred years ago?

          Pandas are pure “naturalists” they followed their hard wiring and look where they are, at the door of extinction, in zoos.

          Mr. K.H

          • haileTG

            Hey KH

            The big question then “are we surviving?” We have science in decline, environment in decline, personal well being in decline, education in decline…just what is not in decline? Animals are said to survive when in perfect harmony with nature and living in complementary self-nature sustainance. Our survival rings hallow. It seems death trap. Where is energy to keep flowing from and if it does, how is environment to cope with it? The richest and poorest nations are deep in debt. Something has to give. No?

          • Selam haileTG,

            The environment, the economy, and social cohesion are all at their nadir. The point of no return of climate change and the collision of the planet earth with an asteroid (as Stephen Hawking said) or world wide economic collapse, a nuclear holocaust or a pandemic (according to Bill gates), all capable of complete annihilation of life from the planet earth, are still in future, in front of us, far or near.

            Professor Hawking had suggested that the biggest world powers should prepare themselves from now to colonize other planets to save the human species. Unless the most dangerous people that are responsible, like trump, the fascist matheo salvin of italy, kim of north korea and many others who will come in the future are controlled, and logic instead of greed and hate rules the world.

            If the greatest powers of the world decide to leave the planet after all, the very few of their kind may be saved, while those who remain behind will disappear as the dinosaurs. Nevertheless, human beings may be forced to act the last minute. If they will have the time to avert complete destruction is another matter.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam haileTg,

            In 1968 the population of Ethiopia was estimated to be 25 million.
            Today, in 2018, fifty years later, it is 100 million. By the time our grand kids reach a mature old age, the numbers have added up to frightening level. There is more, expand that to the world at large and the picture is worse than frightening to think about.

            Natures way of correcting imbalance is rather abrupt and severe. Another aspect of the future human existence is the unpredictable event or events that could take place, we guesstimate as to what happened to the dinosaurs, the unknown unknowns.

            In the year 2118, one hundred years from now with a world population of 12 billion souls, I cannot imagine what life would look like, specially when you factor in all the envelopes being pushed to the edge, in all spheres of life by 2020.
            Oh boy, we better stop, where is Fanti when you need him, maybe there is a silver lining to the whole thing.

            Mr. K.H

          • FishMilk

            Hi Kim Hanna. Ethiopia’s population is now estimated at 108.3 million. Uncontrolled population growth in Ethiopia, Eritrea, other African and other quasi developed countries (i.e. Pakistan) will ensure their ensure their economic indentured servitude to Western powers for decades to come. Nowhere within the U.N. Strategic Development Goals will one find family planning. Addis Ababa’s face these days is much different from that of a year ago as it now appears to be busting at the seams in terms of accommodating overwhelming vehicle and pedestrian traffic and air and water pollution. This past weekend, while in Addis Ababa, I told by one of the former Ministers of Ethiopia’s Ministry of Mines, Energy and Water Resources; that Addis Ababa’s main water table and its aquifers has become very polluted and an issue of great concern. He told me that of the richer housing areas such as Jack Rose in Gerji has decided to drill very deep to reach deeper unpolluted water tables and aquifers. He also mentioned that richer informed private citizens were doing the same in regards to boreholes at their residences.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selemat Ambassador Kim Hanna,

            In about 100 years, we will have colonized Mars and mastered how we live on it. Sleep well!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Fanti,

            I hope you are not one of those who want to trash Earth because we have Mars.

            Please google “Bill Maher: New Rule: Make Earth Great Again”.

            BTW, Ethiopia should be able to absorb another 100 million people if the population is dispersed through the country.

            Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Berhe Y,

            Not at all brother, in fact, I am that close to becoming a tree-hugger.

            Why I am pro Mars is simply a result of my insatiable desire to explore the cosmos. Although traveling to Mars is such a small a step relative to the vast distances between objects in our galaxy let alone the universe, the idea that we have the potential to, some day, be able to control our fate excites and fascinates me.

            The universe is governed by specific mathematical set of laws. We have absolute minimum speed (rest) in one end and absolute maximum speed (speed of light) in the other. Never mind gravity for now.

            Anything that can happen or can be done is only possible within these confines, therefore we must ask, how far can we travel if we manage to travel as fast as light? That is an impossible speed but let’s ask any way.

            Well, first of all, we just cannot travel at the speed of light as we will see why below. However, we can get very close to that speed except that we have another problem: energy! Why we cannot zoom through space at a speed of our choosing is the amount of energy we would need to do so. Never mind the technological limitation we have to convert mass to energy, but even assuming we could it is still mind boggling difficult to make a good use of it.

            The amount of energy we need to accelerate faster grows obscenely proportional to distance traveled. It so happens that if we were able to use all available energy in the universe to accelerate ourselves, we would fall just short of speed of light and there is absolutely nothing else to do after that.

            Hypothetically, if somehow we reach speed of light, time would have stopped to a halt (long story), energy would have reached infinity (also long story), and distance covered becomes zero (another long story). In Amharic this is called ተፋ’ጦ መቆም (ተፋጢጥካ ጠጠው).

            The farthest we can travel is so ridiculously hopeless, our immediate concern needs to be a) to explore the neighborhood real estate, b) make a habit of extending life expectancy of any real estate we find including but especially Earth’s, and c) build huge space stations in case we need to float around the sky aimlessly until somebody finds us.

            Do you believe me now?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Fanti,

            No I don’t believe you. All seems to me a waste of valuable resources and time. You have not watched the clip…f…k mars as Bill would say.

            I would only go as far as space so that I can see the beautiful earth from above before it’s ruined.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f0cd1f854e50e930bec8b46539c41412d607f67b21cb75f3feb67d5c1cd54638.jpg

            Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Berhe Y,

            Hahaha. That means I was not very clear. I am agreeing with the idea of saving planet Earth and I even included additional reasons why. However, I strongly believe that Mars does have a potential to at least aid in the saving of Earth and other advantages.

            Besides, don’t you think it is a good idea to have a fallback plan in case we fail to save Earth? “Lets just save Earth” is not enough at this point. It does not look that easy to eradicate the disease of “making more money,” you know. We have government heads denying global warming for god’s sake.

      • Hayat Adem

        Greetings Mr.K.H.,
        I always enjoy your posts. I am sorry the for-against-Abiy has made us slightly …. recently. What you posted here is very interesting and I want to bat in.
        I do believe the indifference field is the default order of all animals, including humans. In fact, animals don’t hate or love. They act on need basis and are indifferent to everything else. Non-animated and undifferentiated organisms such as plants or embrios are totally indifferent to not just to needs but to even existence itself.
        Coming back to the homosapien stupid, its default order as well can only be indifference. Hate or love is a product of work and engagement. This comes from data and analysis and deployment of the mind. Any human being hosts the three packages at the same time: love, indifference, hate. Both, hate and love, items can only exist in small amounts. Even most of the fields of the most infected person of either love or hate or both can only be occupied by indifference. As I write this note, I am thinking a 5% field of a human being devoted to love or hate would kill the host. So even people like Nitricc and blink can not afford to host more than 5% of hate dosage. Even saints such as Fanti and KS cannot afford to field more than 5% of love inside them or they will cease to exist.
        This is to make a point that we are born and made dominantly indifferent. Indifference can only ve the main gravity of the being. But it is quiet and acts like a silent majority. There is no story in it for the mind.
        So love and hate are flagged high up and deceptively over promoted in our conversations. Indifferrnce is a vast space where our consciousness is anchored. I believe Intelligence is also drawn from this field of indifference. Love and hate are small dotes of pains to our being. They often make us biased and destructed.

        • Blink

          Dear Hayat
          Amusingly, you concluded that you have the tendency to kill because the disagreement creates hate inside is beyond your control. I take Fanti as the coolest one but I don’t agree with him and that disagreement never crossed to hate line . I don’t hate you but I can say I don’t mind killing you right away in the scene , think about killing someone you don’t hate !!! The positive attachment that you or me create in between details everything that your emotions can create , either love or hate . The love and hate argument is simply not basics for anything as both of them are emotions . Just as guilty feeling makes your leg go back so do hate shorts and cut it and pardon me sense .

          To believe that you hate someone after he corrected himself in a way that is acceptable makes the difference to narrow. Hate creates clear thinking and allow the person to feel powerful about his emotions and I don’t know if you as a canny person can adapt to it but it is natural.

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Hayat Adem,

          I am sorry too about ..Abiy. I am o.k with it as long as we both agree since we cannot see the future, that we hope you are wrong and I am right. We see what we see from our own different perch points.

          Now coming back to the topic of love and hate discussion you provided an operative word “indifference” that is flashing in my brain. Does the word come out of a certain scientific discipline with a specific meaning?
          No matter, I will stay on course as long as you are not removing us from the animal kingdom.

          Did you read, our mutual friend, Horizon’s post earlier today about dogs and donkeys in Ethiopia? Boy, I was cringing reading his true statements and my part in it. It is such a national shame. If the west really knew what is going on, I would not be surprised if the U.N is called upon to isolate and sanction Ethiopia.

          Speaking of dogs in the west, they say a dog is the best friend of a man. Sure it is, as long as the man is feeding and tending to all its needs. The dog will not have a 2nd thought about where it will be if someone else does better. What does that say about the dog’s love for its owner.
          The thrust of my argument is ALL animals are hard wired for their individual survival, including the ability to procreate for the survival of their species. Those who don’t go extinct.

          So if the indifference explanation is in harmony with the basic tendency of this survival hard wiring I mentioned, I will stay on my high horse to the sunset.
          Of course, I will keep my eyes open and ears and antennae out if I need to dismount and walk the rest of the way.

          Mr. K.H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            You have it. You get my vote. I have no clue as to why and how, but our views are aligned most of the time. Stay on your “high horse to the sunset” on this issue. You are spot on when you say : “All animals are hard wired for their individual survival, including the ability to procreate for the survival of their species. Those who don’t go extinct.” And this statement summarizes the argument the argument on “love and hate.”

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            Why i cannot support the “indifference” theory. In my opinion a living organism cannot be indifferent, for indifference is equivalent to stopping to live, giving up on life, and later in life in human society, it means surrender. One can be indifferent about others, but never about oneself, because it is a matter of survival (life and death).

            A 2 months infant is not indifferent to itself and its surrounding. If it is hungry or in pain, it cries. Even if another woman picks it up and tries to calm it, the chances are the infant will continue to cry. On the contrary, if the mother takes it and holds it to herself, most probably it will stop crying. Why? Because it feels its surrounding. It is said that the infant knows the body smell of the mother, and it can even understand that her face is familiar. It knows that this means security and food, and why it stops crying.

            In the same way a plant (a living organism) is not indifferent to its surrounding. Maybe you have seen the lab. experiment of planting a vegetable upside down. The result was the branches and leaves grew upwards towards their normal position despite their upside down position, towards the source of light, and in the same way, the roots from upward position downwards to the source of humidity (food).

            What does this show. Even plants and infants at that stage of their development are not indifferent to their surroundings or indifferent about their survival. Survival followed by procuring the next generation are everything in life, and no indifference has any place in this process.

            In human society likewise, we can be indifferent for the other, but never towards ourselves. That is equivalent to suicide. The self and sustaining it and augmenting its fulfillment, if possible, and begetting the next generation, will direct the inner world how to handle the outer world. The world we see around us is the world we have formulated in our mind, at the center of which the self exists. Therefore, the self can never be indifferent at least to itself.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Hayat what do you mean when you said ” So even people like Nitricc and blink can not afford to host more than 5% of hate dosage. Even saints such as Fanti and KS cannot afford to field more than 5% of love inside them or they will cease to exist.”
          You exist and survived hating Eritrea 90%. You are a prove of that real haters indeed can exist and survive as such rate. But I am sorry the Game-over for you!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            U forgot she also exist and survived hating ethiopia 99 % too. It is funny when this mother of haters like hayat trying to accuse other of hate.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Queen,

          Yes sister, I went through hard days to know what is love and what is the Opposite hate means:- as you mentioned above I am no more interested about this short life any more…That is our energy is something we put out into the world. When we notice this interconnection, how we affect one another, we start to take more responsibility for the energy we radiate. When we practice meditation we shift our energy. We begin to operate at a high-vibrational frequency, the frequency of love, and that’s when we are a magnet for more positive energy. When our energetic aura shifts, our consciousness expands, our nervous system neutralizes, and we begin to fully realize and experience a spiritual awakening… the recognition of our divine essence. Things become possible that weren’t before. A miraculous life unfolds in front of us and we can heal ourselves ..

          KS..

    • Reclaim Abyssinia

      Dear Haile TG,
      Why age 7, in Islamic age of 7 is important for something I don’t even remember any more? Isn’t eighteen?
      Quotations from Albert Einstein:
      Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of eighteen.
      Tx,
      RA

      • haileTG

        Merhaba RA,

        The age 7 is very unique both in science and religion. In Christianity, your sin counts after 7. In science, 95% of your life after 7 is based on how your mind was programmed from birth to 7. If you want to raise a child according to certain tendencies the window of opportunity is the first 7 years. After that the child grows to integrate whatever other experience according to those programmes. The mind comes blank at birth and swiftly programme and wire itself in complete fasion including language, in 7 short years. This is why most child learning difficulties except serious one’s are diagnosed after 7.

        • Reclaim Abyssinia

          Dear HaileTG.
          Wow, I love it! Thank you for that info.
          Cheers,
          RA

        • Tesfu

          Dear haile TG
          Today’s theme was about sin and the priest said we are born with sin and that is why we have baptism to cleansed it, was passed to us by Adam and Eve.

          • haileTG

            Hi Tesfu,
            Yes, that is the basic premise of the Christian theology. Interestingly however, the word Sin was adopted from an old English word sin meaning to miss the target in archery. Although, the Greek word bapto means dipping or immerse, hence baptism would be immersion, our Lord Jesus however only had the water poured over his head. This is OK, because the real washing off happened in his 40 days of disappearance in the wilderness and the temptations that followed. What does all these mean?

  • ‘Gheteb

    Italy To Partake In The Eritrean Risorgimento

    Greetings!!

    After the official visit of Italian prime minister to Eritrea, it is becoming abundantly clear that Italy is ready to join in the emerging renewal and revival of the Eritrean economy.

    Well, first this is what has been reported, per the Tweet of Eritrea’s information minister, Yemane G/Meskel, the Italian prime minister said that:

    ” Italy is ready to do its part “in promoting investment, cooperation projects, education programmes, & technical /professional training”, z PM stated”.

    Within the past three months, Eritrea was visited by four heads of states, namely that of Ethiopia, Somalia, South Sudan and Italy. This is not only proof positive that Eritrea has emerged from total diplomatic isolation, but laid to waste the oft-repeated claims that no head of state ever visits Eritrea anymore.

    After we were literally deafened by the incessant claims that Eritrea has the worst human rights records in the world and the UN recognizes that and the Eritrean leadership stands accused and indicted by the ICC for crimes against humanity. Astoundingly, today we learned that Eritrea was elected to be a member of the HRC. Ah, there goes the claims of those anti-PFDJ elements blown and shattered to smithereens by objective realities.

    What is it about the emerging Eritrean risorgimento that is prompting countries like Saudi Arabia to contemplate building a tunnel underneath the Red Sea, while countries like Italy to jump on the Eritrean revival bandwagon? Could it be this thing called “The Eritrean thing” that is making all this stuff happen in a very short period of time?

    If and when the sanction imposed on Eritrea is lifted, it wouldn’t be that far-fetched to imagine Eritrea joining the UN Security Council as a non-permanent member.

    • Amanuel

      Hi ‘Gheteb
      To put your exaggerated claim in to perspective I will say the following.
      1) Claim of sanction: there is no effective sanction. It is merely ineffective arms embargo. It was self infected. IA begged for it to achieve his long term plan; systematically to weaken Eritrean defence forces.
      2) Italy PM main interest is immigration, of course he has to say something palatable to sell his idea. BTW, the Italians were interested to help as far as 1994 to rehabilitate the old Asmara to Massawa rail way. But IA refused the offer and asked for cash.
      3) Eritrea being member HRC: It is not surprising as others like Libya and KSA also have been members. UN is a big tent and Eritrea is enrolled in a program called influencing behaviour by engagement.

    • Hameed Al-Arabi

      Salam Gheteb,

      Italy, somali and Ethiopia didn’t visit Eritrean to partake in the Eritrean ADES (Lentils). They came heavily loaded with suffer caused by the regime in Eritrea. They visited Eritrea believing that dealing with the regime in a different way perhaps may change the regime’s attitude positively. It is just an attempt to solve their problems with the regime in Eritrea. I think, it is not a visit of building healthy relations as Gheteb believes and beguiles himself. Concerning the South-Sudan leader, it is just a visit of friends who are known for causing trouble and wreckage to their peoples.

      Electing the regime in the Human Rights Council is not different than the visits discussed above. They endeavor to train the regime in order to be domesticated and contained within the international community. This exactly resembles Dr. Meddemer attempt to train Isaias about democracy, multi-party, free press and acceptance of the other. I hope all of them to succeed in their mission; however, it is difficult to tame a poisonous serpent. Take care!

      Lastly, Gheteb and his boss always focus on the hands of their guests whether they carry with them some money in their luggages and pockets; I guess this is a typical traits of Shefatu. Mr. Gheteb, you have to apprehend even if they elected you to be part of ANGELS you will remain DEVILS

      Al-Arabi.

  • Acria

    Selam Alex,
    Do elaborate what do you mean “change can only happen peacefully” ? And, after 27 years of independence, when is that change going to happen? What do you think the change would entail? Please stop this old politics that is not serving the Eritrean people. Eritreans are choosing to flee this horrible situation instead of fighting their own people. When our DIA is ready to sell Eritrea to Ethiopia, to the UAE, to the KSU, and to other interest groups, are you going to stay low and clap your hands?

  • Blink

    Dear awate readers
    Eritrea is elected to the UNHRC and it got 160 from 193 votes for that chair which means all these 160 representatives of these countries know little or know nothing about Eritrea or the UNHRC is a joke as Trump said . I don’t believe UN has any significance to all humanity either . What’s wrong with this world.

    • haileTG

      Selamat Blink

      There was an article by the Guardian few days ago questioning the wisdom of allowing rogue regimes to have a council sit at the HRC. In my view, what else can be done and where would the line be drawn to say who should be elected. The council must reflect the demography of the signatories. From our region there was no other competion for Somalia and Eritrea so all those who put their intentions got elected. However, being elected doesn’t confer any endorsement of the HR standing of the member. On Eritrea’s case, the HR rapporter mandate has been renewed to be headed by a new face. Eritrea doesn’t cooperate with mandates and this could be why it got fewer and reluctant votes. But I don’t disagree with electing horrible regimes like Eritrea’s as long as it allows the council to fill the desks with reprensentative mix of geographic allocations.

      • Blink

        Dear Haile TG
        160 votes from 193 is way over the top I mean 82.9 % of votes is not minimum . Remember 97 is the minimum vote to enter in the game . Overall it is just sad the name and its procedural justice is not matched . Eritrean voice will matter for different reasons plus don’t forget the Philippines are in too.
        The COI thing is going down the wasted time because of different things are tilted in to scratching back . The EU will definitely come in line on open spaces with PFDJ . Unless the Eritrean people inside do something there is no way the international community can . What ever the COI head do or say is not going to make PFDJ twick things. We should at least work by knowing the reality. We should seriously do home cleaning up.

        • haileTG

          Merhaba Blink,

          As you said “We should at least work by knowing the reality.” I agree with this and believe that there is no way around it either. Some times it may disappoint many in the struggle, but the hard fact of the matter is that there is no unified and organized voice called Eritrean opposition. The great numbers opposing the regime are individuals working on individual capacity or small groups of activists. The UNHRC stands far greater chance of effecting change in Eritrea than any other because for good or worse, Eritreans seem to be vastly divided. This situation is not only unlikely to bring change, but it is down right dangerous if change comes from unexpected corner. Basically, under such circumstances there will not be a center to hold things together. Even people like Medrek seem to be eagerly awaiting in the wings to sneak in to power should there be some opening. However, their timid approach is keeping them hiding behind the curtain until the opportune moment. This is not good. Most of the organized opposition have are also on extended leave. Hope can update us on progress with EPDP. The other one is ENDC, what is happening there. If these groups are defunct, then what would replace them? Short of any political resistance, the other hope is army take over. But that is a real toss up, it can land either way.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Deki Ere,

    Assata Shakur had said one time this: “ Nobody in the world and no body in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them.” Imagine how many appeals Eritreans have done to the Eritrean despot. Imagine how many Eritreans went to the dungeon of the despot for a simple appeal of rule of law. Imagine! imagine! how many of our citizens are disappearing on protesting their rights and freedom, starting from the handicapped war veterans to religious right of Aboy Haji Mussa. There is nothing that we could win from “peaceful struggle” with the kind of regime we have, except to lose our compatriots. Can we stop this kind of struggle and resort to the alternative kind of struggle and save what is left from our respects and our dear country we have paid too heavy? Not only we are losing our respect we are also losing our sovereignty. Can we feel a sense of urgency to this matter?

    • Blink

      Dear Mr. Amanu
      Why don’t you start by doing what you are saying then . Anyone who wanted to eat the food of freedom by violent clash has to do it himself or at least be an example. Long time ago you faced Hailesilassie and just recently we faced weyane which means almost even . So when are you going to Asmara and start the violence you have been begging for ages . ካብ ዘይ ኢድካ ጌርካ ክትበልዕ ትልምን try your own hand . ደቂ መን ክመቱልካ ኢኻ ደሊኻ ?

      While you are waiting your grand children to jump up and down in front of your daughter and your daughter in law , you wanted the poor to die for them in order for you and grand children to swim in Massawa beaches, unacceptable for me to see you wage war in Eritrea.

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Mr Amanuel
      Can you tell us which well organized peaceful struggle you have exhausted in Eritrea and now you want another strategy`?

      • Hameed Al-Arabi

        Salam Mitiku Melesse,

        Nothing of the struggle ways is exhausted. Do Eritreans struggle against the regime as they did during the liberation era. Frankly, even 1% of their struggle of liberating Eritrea was utilized against the regime in Eritrea. I guess, if Eritreans call 10% of their struggle against Ethiopia will be enough to demise the regime to the dustbin within a short period of time. First, they have to explore the cards with which the regime plays, and burn them one by one. Secondly, they should also identify the pillars on which the regime stands, and demolish them one by one.

        Your question, my friend, should be: do Eritreans agree in unison to peaceful struggle? Do Eritreans agree in unison to violent struggle? The answer to these questions is: No. Then, what is Eritreans required to agree on? They have to accept the notion of removing the regime by all means possible, and to work in direction in unison.

        It is true, Eritreans have succeeded in defeating the regime politically, and exposing it to our people and the international community. I think, all freedom seekers are participated in this campaign, but this method alone is not enough to remove the regime. This kind of struggle can make the regime weak and crawl, but doesn’t eliminate it from the Eritrean scene. I think, this the reality on the ground and endeavors to get free from its shackles through creating friendships here and there. This too will not work, they will chase you to the end. نحن وراك والزمن طويل

        Al-Arabi

        • Kaddis

          Al-Arabi,

          The opportunity to challenge the Eritrean regime is better, not when in complete isolation because it has nothing to lose but when it’s trying to be taken seriously. Being elected in the human rights council should make Geneva your Forto.
          The diaspora can make change happen, believe that.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Kaddis; Eritrea has to change. There is no other option. PIA is a war time leader. He has done his job Phenomenally. Now the country is in peace and she needs peace time leader. In other words PIA time is up!!!

          • Kaddis

            Ahlen Nitricc,
            Rather, starting from demanding the release of prisoners at HRC Geneva level persistently will shame our current sponsors 🙂 the US and allies.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Brother Amuni.

      I am wondering if we were in the direct path or not..

      A new world is possible, it’s ready to birth; it’s made of peace and joy, without slavery and violence, a simple and free world of the needs to take anything from the outside of what we already have inside of us. what do you think of this statement?

      The time you say I am Eritrean or you label as any type of identity, you have separated from the rest of human-beings and such way you are already violating the nature,,. Don’t you think so? I was also thinking the same as you think today i am in the process of self-realization,,

      KS..

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Kokhobay,

        “War”and “peace” goes side by side fighting to occupy the human instinct and to dictate the human nature. As far as “individualism” and the “insatiable nature” of human being persist to exist, then the clash of “desire” and the instinct to “dominate,” human being by human being will prevail in perpetual conflict, and hence wars and the news of war dominate the circumstances of our lives.

        On the flip side of it, when societies are fatigued with wars and news of wars, they find refuge on “Peace” and took it as mission to resist wars. Despite societies find respites of calm from Peace now and then temporarily, as far as the conflict of interests of social groups and social forces are not resolved, and the dominant force is still in place to dominate the political and economic at the expense of others, then it is quite natural the cycle of war continue unabated. Wars are not engaged without reasons. There are always reasons for them. No society want them. They go to war because they lose their rights and their belonging. They go to war because they lose their respect and dignity. Therefore the cycle of peace and war are in continuum alternatively in the discourse of human life.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Brother Amuni,

          So you mean to say that is man’s fate,,

          “Therefore the cycle of peace and war are in continuum alternatively in the discourse of human life. To think otherwise is unrealistic with human nature.”

          Then, this is not good, Aman,,Just we have to think and stop at this point..Now and Here..No to continue on this war thing where we don’t get any benefit,except keep round one ware after another,,

          Remember the war we fought? the past was trouble, when ever I start to remember I am having headache..

          KS,,

    • Tensae

      Selam Mr. Amanuel Hidrat,

      At the expense of giving the impression that I am trolling you, let me address your call for a violent resistance as this is too important an issue to be ignored. But before I do so, I would like to share with you an anecdote that you are probably familiar with. Soon after the independence of Eritrea, the ELF RC, having failed in its attempt to reconcile itself with the newly formed government of Eritrea, resolved to wedge a struggle against the former. Not too long after, it started an intensive campaign among its members world wide. As many of the leaders of the organization were then living in the Sudan, the call was for Eritreans to flock to the Sudan to start a military struggle. Not too long after the declaration, many of the same leaders who were advocating for the armed struggle started to migrate to western countries. Two of the most vocal proponents of the armed struggle were none other than Tesfay Deghigha and Gherezghiher Tewelde both of whom moved to USA and Canada respectively along with their families. Bewildered by the hypocrisy, the editor of the then fledgling Eritrean newsletter Netsebraq Eritrea, former ELF fighter Tsegay Negash wrote an editorial in Tigrigna titled “Ayghermekumndo” lamenting the contradiction between words and actions of the leaders.

      Dear Amanuel, such is the audacity of the failed political class which you belong, that you would like to see others become cannon fodders while you and your likes enjoy comfortable life in western countries. As your arrogance and self importance knows no bound, you are of the view that you are too indispensable to die while others are disposable. BTW, was it notcommon in the ELF for your types to hide behind the so called mass organizations in order to avoid fighting? Was it not the norm for the well connected like your self to be on vacation or on sick leave when fighting is taking place only to come back when things have cooled down? So who are you trying to fool when you are calling for a military struggle from the comfort of your North American life? You remind me
      of the Tigrigna adage about the hyena who demanded a bedding of hide.

      Dear Amanuel, since it has been a while since you have been advocating for violent struggle, under the slogan of Tebeges, what is preventing you from walking the talk and joining those who are doing so? How far have you moved from where you started in your campaign to start a military struggle? One more: since you are fond of describing yourself as a straight shooter who speaks his mind, would you for the benefit of establishing credibility share how many times you participated in combat in your life time? My bet is that not only did you not fight militarily, but you were never within an eye sight of battle. I challenge you to prove me wrong. Finally, since it is too boring to see you again and again advocating for armed struggle without following it with action, I suggest that you change your game and do something credible. Thanks.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Tensae,

        Instead of arguing on the importance of “violent force” or not pertinent on the current predicament of our nation and our people, you make it personal. That kind of approach does not invite to engage you on the issue at hand. Wasn’t it simple for you to argue against it with all the reasons you could have? You can not pull me to brag here, on what I did and didn’t do in the struggle’ if that was what you are trying to accomplish. No sir.

        • Tensae

          Selam Mr. Amanuel Hidrat,

          As you always do when faced with issues that you are neither
          able to deal nor willing to discuss, it is sad to see you choose one more time to hide behind a flimsy excuse of “it is too personal”. You are doing so even when it is abundantly clear that the questions asked and the issues raised are relevant to the topic on hand. By failing to address the moral imperative of
          calling for violent struggle, a struggle that would cost the precious lives of thousands of innocent Eritreans, you have proven beyond any doubt that you are both a hypocrite and morally bankrupt. How else can you call for others to give
          their lives when you are not willing to give yours? How else can you call for other to abandon their normal life when you are not willing to do away with your luxurious life? Besides, to call another war on a population that has known anything but
          war for the last fifty years or so is nothing short of evilness. One of the many ironies of war is that it is always those that have not experience war first hand who call for it and you are no exception. If calling for war is bad enough by itself, doing
          so while not willing to pay for it is even worse. As for the question as to whether a war is needed to resolve internal conflicts within a nation, it is only those with a tunnel vision who could not see a solution beyond war that advocate for it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tensae,

            Again you don’t have the mood to debate. You are still on personal attack. A typical PFDJites approach. Take time and come with sober mind, leaving your arrogance at the gate of Awate forum.

      • Blink

        Dear Tensae
        What a day to be in awate forum , what a time to have you challenge this war monger , blood hungry, Meles admirer and Ethnic federalist . I am just trying to consume everything you put here . Remember this person openly told this forum he could not eat wedi Aker . ካብ ምታይ ዝነቐለ ፅምኢ ደም እዩ ዚ ኩሉ ዓመታት ንኩናት ፃዊዒት ? እዚ ስብ እዚ ዕድሚኡ ሙሉእ ንኪናት ክጽውዕ ኣሕሊፉዎ . ኣብ’ዚ ፎርም ዚ ከም ዚ ስብ እዚ ንኪናት ዝብህግ ርእየ ኣይፈልጥን . እቲ ጽቡቅ ነገር ኤርትራዊያን ፍንፊኖም ነጺጎሞ እዮም .

        At his age where he is looking at his grandchildren future to call for war and death for Eritreans is beyond what we call mind boggling. How does he sleep at night still makes me think if he is at a good state . As you correctly explained many like him called for military takeover just after 1991 and all Eritreans rejected them , do you remember the Sagm and their likes? How about the 5th መስርዕ . Eritreans especially the lowlanders fighted them to hills and eradicated them once for ever . If Mr.Amanuel can get enough audience from the agazians he would happily sale his vision but yet Eritreans from all walks of life rejected them too .

        There is one serious question for people like Mr. Amanuel and that is , let’s see them go to Ethiopia and buy bus tickets and make their point in Asmera , I will happily buy his air ticket 🎫 only one way .

  • Blink

    Dear Ayneta
    አንታ ምሽቲ እንታይ ኢኻ ትብል ዘለኻ :ስቅ ኢልካ ውራይ ሓሶትካ ዘይትገብር . ንመላእ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ክትፀርፍ ስቅ ዘይበልኩ ወይ ዘይደገፍኩካ ዲካ. Again Desbele need to clear the difference between ህዝባዊ ስራዊት and ዕቁር ስራዊት . As per your old man diarrhea experience and your hallow madness is not my problem.

    Kibrom , Desbele , Ayneta , hayat and many others I forget to mention are in that small box with old tape of YG virus plus bacteria.

  • Selam All,

    The military marching to the PM’s office (unarmed of course), and demanding for pay rises and asking the PM to review the structure and operations of the military. It is reported that they reached an agreement, but details yet unknown (Al Jazeera).

    Is this the sign of the new era of democracy in ethiopia, or the new order of things difficult to decipher? Is it a sign of allegiance of the military to the new PM?

    The PM of an african country waiting patiently for hundreds of soldiers marching to his office to meet him, must be a new phenomenon.

    • David Samson

      Selam Horizon,
      According to BBC’s news, the PM was caught off-guards. He calmed the soldiers down, even invited them for challenge–10-press ups.

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei David.
        It is Ethiopia’s version of Forto incident of Eritrea.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Mitiku,

          No. The forto incident is similiar to the failed coup of the Derg generals in 1989 I think.

          This is Eritrea version of 1992 Tegadeliti (fighters) marching to the president office and picked him and take him to Asmara Stadium to address the concern of the tegadeli. This was after the government announced that the fighters will serve without pay for another 2 years.

          He met them and agreed to all their demands and the meeting dispursed peacefully without any incident. Soon after using his security forces started picking up all the “leaders” and arrested them (5 years and more). Singers such as Wedi Tikul, and the MC named Lingo got 5 years and when they were released they become Isayas Afeworki pupets. Some of the less know personalities disappeared and never heard again. Later he demoblised almost all of them with 5000 / 10,000 Nacfa and dispersed them.

          It was Isayas dictatorship started after Eritrean independence, since then he never had a good sleep, but eliminating any one who thinks a threat to his power.

          Berhe

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Blink.
            I am comparing the seriousness of the matter and how both leaders have tried to bagatalize it after they solved the confrontation they faced.

          • Amanuel

            Hi Berhe Y
            You are right that was the case. Having said that I may add some more. The reasons led to the up rising was not only salary. There were two equally important reasons as well. These were 1) EPLF congress (election) and 2) corruption about higher ranking officials. For example Lingo told IA EPLF has many qualified tegadelti who are capable of replace all 75 members of the CC. Binyam Wedi Jigru also told IA he was ashamed to be lead by corrupt officials who roam night clubs until the wee hours. There fore to conclude that the up rising was about salary is not correct, it was as much as about democracy and rule of law (code of conduct).

          • David Samson

            Selam Amanuel,

            It seems that corruption has been prevalent since 1990s, not 2001 as we were told porkies by bado 03. Many of these high-ranking officials had zero assets when took up the newly created positions. They have now own villas and other assets.

          • Alex

            Hi David,
            If I am not mistaken most of the high officials own the houses given to them for the amount of years they serve in the field plus based on their position in the government. The sad thing is there are still some people who are in lower rank but served long years in the field that did not get a house.

      • Nitricc

        Hi David; If I was an Ethiopian and PMAA supporter; I will worry to death that the country has no security apparatus. How do you not know two hundred armed specialized forces heading to PMAA’s office? basically their were stopped at the gates and no one had any information? Whatever it is, very dangerous trend has commenced. PMAA must dismantle the old security apparatus and must built one, if not TPLF will eat you alive.

        • David Samson

          Selam Nitricc,

          The horn is Horney. It has a reputation for warlordism and its history has been littered with wars. So, if an army intervened in the political process or gain power through coups, it should not come to anyone as a surprise. This is the norm than the exception in many 3rd world’s countries. What I have been struggling to come to terms with is the fact that, there are some countries on this planet in which they never had wars with their neighbours, but for some unknown reason, they have a large army. And the army has been messed these countries. I have zero respect and tolerance for an army to govern any country. They belong to barracks and should stay there, but it is easier said than done. Perhaps, if every nation follows that of Costa Rica, the army would become history.

          • Kaddis

            Hi David –

            Hard to substantiate but it looks like Abiy’s circles (mainly Opdo) could be faking assassinations (that clumsy bomb ) and military marching to the palace and the subsequent drama as a high form of populism (copied from Ourtega, Maduro type fictious coups )

            Our politics is losing that sophisticated touch and becoming
            an ordinary developing world messed up politika. The hope could be the educated Oromo activist/ scholar enablers positions.
            Bon weekend

          • Saleh Johar

            Kaddis,
            Ethiopians are compromising their hard earned achievements by countersigning them to irredentists, opportunists and chauvinists. If this train iOS change stops they will be sorry for a long time. “Losing the sophistication” is very true. It’s becoming street politics. I pray this is taken care of soon.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Gash Saleh,
            True, street politics (if not ghetto) when you see ”regional states’ bigger than many African countries acts cheap. People are realising there’s too much drama and demanding substance.

          • Aligaz G

            Kaddis,

            “Substance” in a revolution usually means setting up a guillotine in the main square and lining up l’ancien régime adherents in kilometer long queues. I think “drama” or a velvet revolution is ok with us.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saleh,

            Indeed “they are compromising their hard earned achievements.” If all the feedback we are getting from Kaddis is true, a government who is faking events can’t survive that long. After all a friend of a tyrant, will eventually become a tyrant. It is a matter of time,

          • David Samson

            Selam Kaddis,

            Wait till Tedros Alem(Teddy) sees it. Teddy is the champion of all conspiracies theories.

    • Blink

      Dear Horizon
      Soldiers marching to a PM office without any arrangement is not a sign of Democracy nor does it show a disciplined military . They should have done such through orderly channels. They asked the PM about wages as well as restructuring of the EDF . First they demanded that they should enter armed but after negotiations they were disarmed and allowed to meet with Vic and the PM . I think this was poorly done and the punt was stressed.

      Credit to the PM he showed them gratitude and love , what a good guy . If this was at the time of Meles the killer all these poor souls would have died on target or in prison .

      • Hayat Adem

        Blink,
        I can’t believe you would make these points :
        1) Abiy is justified turning down Ethiopia’s internet to silence Hayat.
        2) if it was during Meles, those soldiers would be killed.
        You are becoming angrier by the day. What can I do to make your situation better?
        Quiz 1 (true or false):
        Hayat resides in the US and writes only on Awate forum which is run from the US and that is why Abiy should silence her from Ethiopia.
        Did you answer ‘True’?
        Good job, Blink!

        Quiz 2:
        Who shot at his amputated veteran soldiers and massacred them at maiHabar?
        Did you answer ‘Meles’?
        Good job!
        Reward: 10 push ups!

        • Blink

          Dear hayat
          Alula also live in USA and still make lies after lies and so do Daniel .

          I am good at push ups and can do 10 with my right hand on my back while pressing.

          Have you tried comedy sketch because you are good at it.

          • Hayat Adem

            Blink,
            Go and talk to Alula for any complaint you have. I don’t answer for him, I don’t follow him and I don’t discuss him. I follow IA and I discuss IA or those else who matter. You are something, man.

          • Blink

            Dear Hayat
            My comment stands for itself and I don’t need to say anything but if you insist that I have to say more be my guest as your time here is to defend weyane which is the same job of Alula, Daniel and more .

          • Hayat Adem

            Blink,
            Take a back look at your feeds for a the last two years. So repititve and boring. You really have nothing to offer nor a receptivity to learn. The worst consequence of wears and tears on a human being is the time where you stop to say new things or appreciate new things. I don’t want to live up to that point. ugh!

          • Blink

            Dear Hayat
            Have you ever thought to ask yourself why is that ? I mean you have billion words in this forum and 99.9 % of them are all defending weyane or making weyane saints which means repititive and MALELIT songs . Take a look at your comments too because you have been shay to do that . Weirdly enough for you time has changed where weyane are thrown out from 4 kilo . What a time !!!!.
            Do you know or remember a person called Alemseghed Ghebre Alem who was an advisor to Meles . The guy is originally from Adwa born around 1955-60 member of the politibureau to TPLF and I guess a constant membership of the CC , do you know what his repetitive saying was about Ethiopia and Tigray?

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Horizon.
      I think woyane’s civil war instigation has failed repeatedly. If things get out of control for a while as woyane planned it, it could have been a reasonable excuse for woyane to make a coup to eliminate Dr Abiy and execute those anti Tigray Revolutionary Democracy over Ethiopia. Now is a showdown why Debretsion all of a sadden has been a happy puppy lately when he is around Dr Abiy. Since Dr Abiy returned USA Deberetsion in particular and woyanes in general are acting weird.

      As a group only woyanes loose on the new revolution. There will be a bitter war between woyane and the rest. To avoid the war people must accept at least the looting based economy of woyane must go on.

      The choice for the time being is Abiy’s oromo party with its majority supporter cooperate with woyane’s enormous money OR a huge unrest accompanied with a good deal lose of lives and properties. That is the price of 27 years of tolerance of a one ethnic first policy in a country with more than 80 ethnic groups.

      • Selam M.M.,

        Maybe it has nothing to do with woyane or anybody else. Most probably, as Blink said, it must be an impromptu action carried outside the usual protocol.
        I think that they thought that here is a good chance to present their complaints to the PM, a chance they will never find again.
        Nevertheless, the way the PM handled the whole situation was really great. He showed them that after all he is a soldier like them with the push-up contest he carried out with them.
        He seems to have an inborn charming power.

      • Asmerom

        Hi Mitiku,
        Your hate towards wayane is blinding you and makes you write just speculation and conspiracy theories . Please balance the situation and read the reality your grinding mill is out of order.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Asmerom.
          My hate to woyane is based on 27 years documented facts. What i am afriad is is that your love for woyane is blinding you to see the atrocities they have committed.

          Do you know what woyanes have said when the federal force deployed after the massacre in Somali Killil? They said it is a breach of the constitution. When woyane was ordering the federal force to kill thousands, they had been saying the soldiers had done the right thing because they were defending the constitution.

    • Hayat Adem

      Dear Horizon,
      Look deeper. No armed army of that size gets close to a ruling palace without confrontation or at least prior knowledge of the intelligence. And if it does, no army goes back smiling because of push ups are offered. It may not be what it looks. We will soon be hinted from following the PM’s immediate actions on the army structure and demotions, promotions and resignations.

      • Selam Hayat Adem,

        The PM has already mentioned that there will be major changes (reshuffles) in the state administration, the security, the army, public owned industries, banks and others, through which party members channeled illegal money for personal and group interests, and ethiopians witnessed the greatest robbery ever in their history.

        The government (the state) and the party will be separated, and the umbilical cord that joins both will be severed once forever. Ethiopian politicians (party members), will be forced to choose between politics, i.e. advancing peace, democracy and human rights in the country for the sake of freedom and equality for all citizens, and not to enrich themselves as has happened up to now, or they will resign from the party to be able to carry out public or state administrations, and they cannot be both. This makes ethiopians stakeholders in their political life, their security and human rights, and public owned economy, that ended up being private properties of a political party(s).

        Now, if it was orchestrated to send a political message to those who oppose the reforms, that he has the army behind him that is ready to support and defend the changes that are coming, including changes within the military, which the soldiers have asked themselves, that could be plausible.

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Horizon,
          Check some of your thickest flawed conclusions before you get carried away with them so much that you feel to post them here repeatedly. What you had was not as bad as what you are incessantly trying to portray it for. Nor what you have now is as good as what you are incessantly trying to portray it for. What you had and what you have are not that much from two separate worlds unless your problem is with names and geographies.
          Now do 10 press ups and get back to honesty.

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            One can understand why it is so difficult for you to depart from the past and the old, and adopt the new and the future. It is because you will never see them again. I always believed that you had an open non-conservative mind, but it seems i and others as well are mistaken. Hundred million ethiopians have said good riddance to tplf, and you, an eritrean, is telling them to stick with tplf till kingdom come. Funny and suspicious, really.

            Is change so terrifying, or the status quo so sweet? Why so much resistance and perseverance, even after the die is cast? Is it possible to revive the dead past? Why condemn the reform, and not help shape it? Even tplf officials are saying that they were blind to what was happening, and they are apologizing, and you, an eritrean, is more or less telling them they have nothing to apologize for. One truth: ethiopians know the past, they lived it and finally dumped it. As much as the new is concerned, we have not yet seen its future. Have patience!

            The tplf world ethiopians knew, is dead and gone. Tplf as you know and want it to continue, will live only in your mind. It is your right. For ethiopians, it is history. Have you heard that some tigrayans revere tplf as you do, some others are suspicious of it, andstill some other tigrayans abhor it? It is only for you that tplf is impeccable. A tigrayan party that represents the people, and not the interest of the elites like tplf, will always have a place in ethiopia.

            Finally, thank you for the press ups you prescribed for me. You too need to do some yoga and some meditation. They may help you calm down and save yourself from depression due to tplf’s debacle. As much as the press ups are concerned, i am going to implement them. It means strong muscles, strong heart and lower blood pressure. Very helpful, indeed.

          • Aligaz G

            Horizon,

            Please don’t be naive there are new hyenas in town. Look the support Abiy is getting is based on promises of democratization and human rights. However and make no mistake about this – the level of corruption petty or large scale will increase significantly under his regime. ADO and ODO are extremely corrupt and there are signs even at this early stage that the looting has already begun but by new names and from different geographical areas as Hyat mentioned above. The hope is now there will be a free press to hold them accountable and eventually an informed empowered citizenry will vote them out. And therefore state capture by looting consortia such as TPLF will no longer be sustainable over an extended period ie 3 decades.

          • Amde

            Selam Aligaz G,

            Reason number X why the most fervent challenge to Abiy’s stated goal of “democratization” and “free elections” will come from the tens of thousands of entrenched EPRDF party and state officials. Just as TPLF as the hegemon within EPRDF could see no upside with handing over the top perch to OPDO, EPRDF rank and file see no upside with giving up their local hegemony to “the opposition”

            We will see said the blind man.

            Amde

          • Aligaz G

            Amde,

            In today’s Ethiopia, “Democratization “and “resource allocation” go hand in hand. The precedent of not punishing previous the looters ensconced in Mekele simply emboldens the new hungry lot who freel doubly empowered because of numbers. As you mentioned, the EPRDF bureaucratic machinery which had been somewhat muzzled by the TPLF looting machinery will now explode with corruption. As for elections I believe there will be elections but the aftermath may be chaotic. All in all democracy and change is messy and often unpleasant but there is no choice. There is a Winston Churchill quote…”it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’.

          • Selam Aligaz,

            I do not think that there is a country free of corruption, except scandinavian countries who are supposed to have much less corruption compared to others. Corruption and greed is in human nature.

            Last time, we were discussing with Admassie, why ethiopians are so corrupt. This means that angels, or saints or philosopher kings are not going to come to rule ethiopia. Nevertheless, when kleptocracy becomes the system of government, as it was in ethiopia under tplf (capital flight of about 10bn$ over the last ten years alone), it is simply unacceptable.

            Therefore, we cannot say let’s leave alone the ones who have already stolen enough, so that the hungry ones will not come and eat at the flesh of ethiopia. Those who have looted enough and are full, may not be as vicious as the newcomers. More or less this is what H.A. is saying, and it cannot be more far from the truth.

            How much the ethiopian government will be corrupt depends on how much corrupt those in power are going to be. It is not possible to avoid change because there is a theoretical fear of one sort or other.

            When tplf came and told ethiopians “my way or the high way” it meant “winner takes all”, not only power but the economy as well, and that was what it did exactly. It came to loot. Nobody can say for sure that the new government will be as corrupt as the previous one. The laws that are coming like, democratic rights given to the people, free press, separation of party and state, ministers reduced from 28 to 20, etc, are all meant to avoid repetition of the past and to decrease expenses. If finally they prove that they are the same rotten apples as their predecessors, simply they will be kicked out and discarded.

            Now, if ethiopia is expected to be able to control corruption at every level, one should know that even developed and more democratic countries have not succeeded at this. At least the daytime robbery (የቀን ጂቦች), could be controlled, and the millions and billions of birr dispatched just with a phone call stopped. Moreover, people will have the courage to speak, and they will not be made to disappear or forced to commit suicide.

          • Aligaz G

            Horizon,

            I agree with you that “corruption” as an issue may have to take a backseat to democratization and human rights at this time. My response was to your idealistic hope the new guys would be less corrupt. Don’t bet your house on this. Btw I just read somewhere that the Kenyan oligarchy manage to squirrel away 150 billion. Makes TPLF look like amateurs. lol

          • Selam Aligaz,

            Nigeria, namibia and kenya are said to be among the most corrupt african countries. Kenyan mps used to get about $7K a month, that puts them among the highest paid worldwide. I do not know if ethiopian mps get that amount in a year.

            I have read about the 150bn$ in foreign secrete accounts. The thing i could not understand was, although nigeria and namibia are oil rich countries, in kenya’s case, where does the money come from? It seems that most of the money the country gets from tourism does not remain in the country.

          • Aligaz G

            Horizon,

            There are many revenue streams not just tourism. Military procurement, civilian procurement, exports, imports, agriculture, mining, transportation, retail etc. And in Kenya all these sectors were dominated by foreigners (Brits, Indians, Israelis) who operate in collusion with local collaborators mostly politicians. Not surprisingly foreigners like to keep money in foreign accounts. And don’t forget the looting is over a much longer period (40 yrs) probably double that of the TPLF’s 20 yrs.

          • Selam Aligaz,

            On a different note.
            It is said that the number of ministries will decrease from 28 to 20 to decrease government spending. Likewise, is it possible to say that the number of parliamentary seats could decrease from around 450 it is today, to let us say 300 seats? Most of the parliamentarians have nothing to do more than applauding, giving their ‘yes’ vote, and may be delivering their once in a long time speech. This will decrease the country’s expenses.
            Is it really necessary to have so many parliamentarians in a poor country like ethiopia? i do not think that it will have any effect on the work done in parliament. On the contrary, it will decrease the expenses.

          • Aligaz G

            Horizon,

            First of all the population is large and diverse and they have organized the parliament in a “diverse” and “inclusive” manner. Theoretically it is possible to proportionally reduce the absolute number without affecting the mix. But with the serious level of ethnic suspicion and rivalries today it is not politically possible to reduce numbers at this point. Which is precisely why TPLF could not implement a serious birth control policy in the country as a whole. Imagine a TPLF official trying to tell ethnic group x to have fewer children. The response would have been you are trying to limit us in therefore we will have even more children. A sort of birthrate arms race if you will between tribes. In fact there are accusations leveled even against muslims that they are deliberately having more children in order to gain dominance financed of course by Saudi and Al Moudi.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Horizon.

            Late alone the killings, the dictatorship, the looting, etc of tplf even its so called RD is rejected. Even tplf doesnt want that RD nonsense. What tplf is fighting now for is that how to go with new Ethiopia with the looted capital. For tplf to continue as popular party in Tigray it has to continue to deliver the economical supremacy in looting. That wont happen. At the beginning tplf tried to mobilize Tigrians against the new revolution. That did not go as it planned. Accelerating the ethnic hate to make civil war also killed many but did not bring back tplf to the place. In short tplf is sweating like a drug dealer who became desperate to whitewash its blood money.

            Tplf dream was that after certain economical achievement change Ethiopian’s economy policy to market economy and buy all Ethiopian can sale. Think of it with PM Desalegn and 37 Metech generals Tigray owining the banks, telecomunication, the airline, the shipping lines, the media, the import export… Gadammit, Abiy. Gadammit Qerro, Gadammit Fanno, Gadammit Esat, Gadammit, Lema Team…. That much is the anger of Tplfeits.

          • Selam M.M.,

            Among the few things i remember, from what getachew reda said about the mistakes committed by tplf, in a video smuggled from tplf meeting in frankfurt, was when he acknowledge that tigrayans as ethiopians must be able to live in every corner of ethiopia (he mentioned cities as an example), and he stressed that that does not mean tplf will be able to protect them wherever they may be in ethiopia.

            After doing the damage, now they have started to understand the mistake. Who brought the divide and rule doctrine, who brought ethnic federalism, who said long live ethnic nationalism and down with pan-ethiopianism? Themselves, of course.

            They were unable to understand the simple fact that the abuser in his home, will be the abused in somebody else’s home. Oromos, for example, who are abusing others in oromia are being abused in somalia and benishangule, just as an example.

            If ethiopian ethnic groups as told by tplf close their borders and do not allow others, then they should know that they will face the same whenever they leave their small enclaves. It is not only peace that will be in danger, but economic development as well. Ethiopians cannot progress economically by being divided and closed in their own shells, when the world is gradually making borders between adjacent countries less significant.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear All,

            I have an idea, proposal & a solution(all-in one) for this long-debated issue of corruption, looting & power struggle.

            Addis Ababa needs to be an independent city-state.

            It needs its own sovereignty,

            It needs its own authority.

            It needs jurisdiction of its own, like the Vatican City and San Marino.

            The Vatican is enclaved by Italy, and Lesotho, enclaved by South Africa.

            Addis Ababa is enclaved by Ethiopia.

            The only way to stop corruption and civil war in Ethiopia is to take away the prize money or the trophy!

            Addis Ababa has become the trophy for all warlords, corrupt officials, Rebels, and country-side organised people.

            I think it’s about time to stop all the country town people(villager) marching through our beloved hometown and spreading fear on the lifestyle of the residence, looting and confiscating wealth & distributing among their own mobs.

            It’s also important for Addis people to wake up and speak up for themselves; they have to say enough is enough, to all the country-town people.

            why can’t all the country-town people think for themselves and develop their own town, city or village?

            I don’t think it will take a rocket scientist to understand that Addis people know what’s good for AddisAbawei!

            Cheers,
            RA

          • Amde

            Selam Reclaim,

            As a native Addis Abeban I agree but it would mean the end of the ethnic federation so am not holding my breath. Addis must be the only national capital that is ringed by a politically hostile populace who are agitated to resist anything that normal cities need to grow. Threatening Addis’ Trash, water, energy, road connections are a favorite sport of Jawar and compadres. There are reports that there are youth in Sebeta going house to house threatening non-Oromo people to leave houses they have lived in for decades.

            Good luck.

            Amde

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Amde,
            I thought this will strengthen the federalism and will give them the benefit in order to develop their own region. This will also shift the force of power in a different direction.

            Addis abebian, have already despaired of the ዓብያቺን, not many people are buying of “የቀን ጅብ & ወያኔ” excuses any more.

            Get it right or get out of the way!
            Just sharing what i found in FB..
            By #Isho Berhan
            #ፍትህ ለቦሌ
            እኛ ራስን የማስተዳደር መብት አግኝተን ክልል ለመሆን ግድ ይለናል
            ምክንያቱም
            1,ቦሌ ባላት የገንዘብ አቅም ሆነ በእውቀት ደረጃ ከፍ ስለምትል
            2,የራሳችን የሆነ ማንነት ያለን ና አለማቀፋዊ የገበያ ትስስር ያለን ስለሆነ ነፃ መውጣት ግድ ይለናል
            3,ሌላው ኢትዮጵያውያን ጋ ወንድሞቻችን ናቸው ግን እኛ የራሳችን ማንነት ስላለን መልስ እንዲሰጠን እንሻለን
            4,የብሄረብሄረሰብ መብት ተከብሮ እያለ የቦሌ ብሄር ጥያቄ መልስ መስጠት አለበት
            5,ዶ/ር አብይ ምላሽ ካልሰጡን የማንደመር ስለሆነ እንዲሁም ትግላችን አጠናክረን ስለምንቀጥል ፍትህ ባስቸኳይ

            የዘገየ ፍትህ እንደቀረ ይቆጠራል

          • Hayat Adem

            Ah Horizon,
            “…Among the few things i remember, from what getachew reda said about the mistakes committed by tplf, in a video smuggled from tplf meeting in frankfurt, was when he acknowledge that tigrayans as ethiopians must be able to live in every corner of ethiopia (he mentioned cities as an example), and he stressed that that does not mean tplf will be able to protect them wherever they may be in ethiopia.”
            I happened to watch that video months back. Getachew didn’t exactly say that. But if he did, what is wrong with saying that? Shouldn’t Tigreans be allowed to live in all parts of Ethiopia? Shouldn’t Tigreans be protected by Tplf and every Ethiopian from being attacked?
            Something in you is rottening, my friend. Beware before it is too late!

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            Are you all right? Something wrong with you? Learn to control your temper. It is never too late. Read the whole comment. Do i say anywhere tigrayans should not be protected? Why so much frustration?

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Horizon,
            Yes you did, Horizon. You brought Getachew attributed to what he never said and then using that false attribution as if a secret that exposes him was leaked. He didn’t say it but if he did, it is something anyone, including you, would say it in defense of Tigreans. I smell slimy folks from a distance when I see one. The double talk being projected here by you is clear: that Tigreans are being hunted and punished in many Ethiopian cities and for that the Tigreans should blame no one but theTplf. That is totally sick, Horizon. They are your people and you should stand for them when and wherever they are wronged. Check your inner talk;look for a cure before it is too late.

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            Maybe you’re burdening yourself with too much responsibilities, and you are losing the clear picture and confusing things. You are seeing enemies of tigrayans everywhere. Tigrayans and tplf are different.
            Of course, i have a big reservation about your feeling towards other ethiopians, despite what you used to say in the past. Your true self is what we see today, and not what you tried to show us in the past.
            You seem to be worried about some secrets about Getachew reda, while i said nothing of that sort. Your heart bleeds for tplf.
            Do not worry about my double talk, worry about your double heart, because you are not sure where your real heart lies. Nobody believes anymore what you say, not tigrayans nor eritreans, in my opinion.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Horizon.
            I tplf world you can not separate the two. You touch tplf then you are considered the enemy of Ethiopia.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Horizon.
            I dont think any tplf member in Getachew Reda caliber both for an individual Tigre as long as the supremacy is in control. You dont know how power hungrey these people has become. Now for tplf the stake is how to use the tplf money machine outside of Tigray. This i tell you soon Mesob cement will have Ethiopian flag and its name will also change something catchy. Nothing wrong with Mesob but something far away which remind people of tplf or EFORT..

          • Hayat Adem

            Oh Horizon,
            What is this fixation you have with Tplf. You are saying so many bizarre things. I never said they (Tplf) should be back to the priemership. Even Fanti never said so. Even themselves never said so. Debretsion is complaining his name appeared on the chairmanship/vice chairmanship ticket. It was Gedu who nominated him. It was Tplf members who voted for Abiy. You didn’t. You couldn’t. You simply couldn’t help yourself getting enough on flogging a dead horse. What is wrong with you!
            Honestly, you are saying they are gone and you wanted them to go. What that means is, you got what you want and but you don’t seem to know it. I declare as well here for your peace of mind that they are gone and will never be back to the Federal soon. What is interesting is they don’t want also to come back. For now they seem to be interested in Tigray. Let the Tigray people deal with them for now. I am not advocating to bring them back to Addis. I never did. Nor I am interestes in reversing the change. Sure, I would have loved to see a capable leader to manage the change. My problem is on the person not on the changes happening or needed to happen. I have reasons for that and I have expressed them adequately. Game over! Chapter closed. Now, can u sleep well? So, unless you want to be called a lair, never ever accuse me of wanting the Tplf back.
            Now to another point of truth: you know where Ethiopia was in 1991? Were you born then? Were old enough to observe events and trends? Or like many of us you can learn them from reasings and concersations. Life span was 42 yrs, poverty rate at 44%, PCI 100 dollar, 17 armed and actively internally roaming oppositions, country on the verge of disintegration, only two univeraities etc. Right? You know where it is now? 64 yrs of LE, 21% poverty rate, 900 USD PCI, no armed opposition internallu operating, 50 universities etc. Impressive , right?
            As much as you beleive TPLF was dominantly ruling for the last 27 years, it should be fair to credit them for such registered successes. Or may not bebalone: As much as you beleive Tplf jointly with other partnering parties help bring those successes, then Tplf, together with others, should be recognized for some part of the successes. That is straight from the law of logic. Get you facts and ligic together. Be loyal to the bigger truth. Now go back and do 10 more push ups.

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            To tell you the truth i do not know what to say. If i close one eye as you do, i see only the things you say above about tplf’s achievements. If i open both my eyes, i see also the 40bn$ or so debt tplf left behind on the back of the ethiopian taxpayer, the 30bn$ or so aid money tplf got from the west, more than the total aid money ethiopia ever got in its entire history, and the empty coffers tplf left behind.

            When the chinese start asking their money back with interest, and ethiopia will be forced to sell her assets to pay back the huge debt left behind by tplf, or ethiopia suffers an economic collapse, because she cannot service her debts, unless somebody comes to her aid as the uae did last time, what do you think will ethiopians do? Should they praise tplf or condemn it. Of course, they will condemn it.

          • Hayat Adem

            Horizon,
            Bingo¡ You maybe a one eyed person. Worse, that one eye may even be the compromised one. I am losing you big time.

          • Aligaz G

            Hayat,

            Nice development statistics but it is much better to look at HDI rankings to get a feel for regime economic performance. Ethiopia’s HDI ranking was in the 170’s during HIM, it was in the 170’s during Dergue, it was in the 170’s during TPLF. Bottom of the table under all three regimes. So best not to believe your own propaganda about TPLF superiority ie never consume your own product. Ethiopia’s economic difficulties are deep seated and structural and not so easily solved. In his own way Abiy is potentially a major disruptive force and maybe he can do better – surely he cannot do worse than bottom of the table anyway.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Aligas,
            “Ethiopia’s HDI ranking was in the 170’s during HIM, it was in the 170’s during Dergue, it was in the 170’s during TPLF”
            I will come to comment on that quote at the end.
            There is always this problem of context I often encounter here when I engage forumers. People don’t take into account the history of the thread and how I ended up saying what I said. They simply pick what I said and jump to comment.
            For example, it is one thing to say something as an initiater but a different thing after initiated a discussion and come to say what I said as a reactor as balancers to ommissions and skewed reports or gaps I observed here. Please consider the fact. that I never initiated a discussion about Tplf’s success stories here (though nothing wrong with that if i wanted to) except in reaction to some deliberate false representations. So, how is bringing such true stat to balance false accounts a propoganda unless you want a false propoganda prevail without being challenged? I beg to differ.
            Is your mention of HDI here a propoganda item against Eprdf’s ruling in the last 27 years? I want you to answer that on your own.
            Ethiopia has come a long way since the last 27 years and there are many objective indicators to back up that claim. Its GDP now is the 4th or 5th in Africa. Its military rank stands at 3rd in Africa. Its peace keeping force contribution is one of the leading in the world. Its diplomatic muscle has grown dramatically. It has stood against Egypt and now building one of the largest dam by its own.
            I recently read an article beautifully written by Bereket Semon about GERD – “an inside story about two greats: a man and a dam”. It tells where Ethiopia is now and if properly led where it could be heading. The country is truly emerging as a Nile and Red Sea super power. Nothing makes me happier than that as I also believe Eritrea’s future is in cooperating abd joining Ethiopia than in competing or sabotaging it.
            HDI is a comparison index of countries in relation to their over all human development. It serves as one indicator of certain aspect of human satisfaction level of citizens. It is possible a country has excelled in everything of her situation and still got the same rank or lower. HDI puts China and Ecuador on the same rank. HDI shows you that there are more than 10 countries that outrank the USA, the same country that bosses the entire world.
            And you must be corrected on what you said regarding Ethiopia remaining in about the same HDI ranking at 170s during King HI, Derg and Eprdf. HDI reporting is a recent phonemonen that only started in the 1990s. So your claim of HDI knowledge before Eprdf is defnitely incorrect.

          • Aligaz G

            Hayat,

            HDI is a comparative analytic that cuts thru the maze of statistics. And we can go back in time and reconstitute HDI for the 1970 if necessary and it will all be the same. Yes there have been developments in TPLF Ethiopia but comparatively speaking we are still at the bottom. The key distinction is between absolute and relative growth brought about by a regime ie justification to rule. Same old same old just doesnt cut it I’m afraid.

          • Hayat Adem

            Mr. Aligaz,
            Sorry I goofed would have worked for you better. You are comparing the validity of relative and absolute data, and you don’t feel ashamed of your own imagined data? You accusingly said HDI of Ethiopia remained the same during three different regimes: Hailessilassie, Derg and Eprdf. When reminded of tge youbg history of HDI’s time, you just simply claimed it can be extended back and reconstruct HDI and pin it to the same level to confirm your claim? You imagine first and you reconstitute reality to fit your imagination? Is that how it works for you? Funny:) Advice: limit yourself to something you very well know and be humble with your claims and assertiveness. If you goofed by chance, apologize and move on without trying to run away forward. That will make you look better and stronger.

          • Aligaz G

            Hayat,

            Don’t take yourself so seriously and no need to apologize on my behalf. Now just for clarification sake and you dont have to vomit all over the place – Are you seriously claiming TPLF performed better in relative terms? If so please prove it or else keep quiet.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Aligaz; you asked ” Are you seriously claiming TPLF performed better in relative terms? Yes, Ethiopia as country is 40 billion in debt and TPLF is 15 billion dollars rich; so yes TPLF did better for themselves. Regarding your conversation with Hayat, well good luck. she is one of the TPLF thugs. She have no respect for the people of Ethiopia nor Eritrea, it is all about the corrupted, greedy and stupid TPLF.

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,

            Not really worried about personalities here. Just a clash of ideas. If you noticed she personalized the discussion very quickly and threw in a lot of random non-sequiturs. People don’t seem to like direct challenges I guess it’s not in our habesha culture but that saves a lot of time and bs. The Eritreans I knew in the past were no nonsense and to the point.

          • Hayat Adem

            Aligaz,
            Yes, i do not think Tplf was relatively better than Hailessilassie, Derg or Pfdj in terms of bringing positive growth. That will be an under statement. Tplf is superbly better than all. It doesn’t mean Tplf jas not been goofing though. It doesn’t also mean Ethiopians cannot get or don’t deserve to get better leadership than Tplf. It doesn’t also mean Ethiopians don’t deserve a leader better than the juvenile Abiy.
            I was not apoologizing for you. I was asking you to correct yourself for your two false claims: for claiming HDI was being published during Hailessilasaie and Derg time and for claiming Ethiopia’s ranking then was 170s-th. I rhoufht yoy would be manly enough to do so. Instead, you added another false claim: that DHI can be reconstituted back to those Hailessilassie’s days if need be to prove your claim.
            I am actually surprised you are not covering your face with your hands in shame and still continue discussing Tplf. If you don’t want to admit to a silly but clear mistake like that, what kind of man are you? What moral do you havw to speak of others? Were you intwntionally lying about the HDI thing then? Why would you rhink we ahould beleive on everything wlse you say?

          • Aligaz G

            Hayat,

            Time to end this conversation. You are officially clueless.

          • Hayat Adem

            Exactly Aligaz,
            That was my whole purpose. I chased you back to your dark cave. I have zero patience with self conscious individuals.

          • Aligaz G

            Hayat,

            Just curious what were you trying to say when you wrote – and I QUOTE… “Tplf jas not been goofing though”. Btw most people here think you are TPLF shill.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            1st, tplf means tigrai liberation front, which means it’s concern is tigrai.
            2nd, tplf is by far the most haters of ethiopia spacially the so called “chauvinist” ethiopia.
            3rd, if u see the reality on the ground(not fake media) most of the last 27 years of ethiopia growth is where the majority so called “chauvinist” reside.
            4th, it is stupid and idiotic to try to be proud by lies, that show, either u r clueless or u r a common street vagabond who don’t know shame.
            5th, with this lie, deception, conspiracy, sabotage culture, the future of ur people is no gonna be good, u so called tigrai ” elites” r responsible for the culture and feel sorry for ur people and one thing i like about the so called “federalism” is, it give u a chance to protect urself from ur kind of death culture.
            Anyway enjoy u r talk with ur miteku or somthing.

          • Hayat Adem

            TA,
            what? i really mean it,: What are you saying?

  • Kbrom

    Selam all,

    This is what is happening.

    AiA is in ‘full charge’ of receiving and managing the hefty money coming from MbS and MbZ. A financial expert by the name of Dr Awad is assigned as his advisor. As mentioned last week, both AiA and Dr Awad were in a mission to Africa to buy Diamond and Gold, ‘as much as they can find’ as per PIA instruction.

    PIA have sent a list of 400 Eritreans living in Addis Abeba and asked for their immediate extradition. PMAA has not responded to the request yet.

    PIA told tens of Colonels that from today on there are demobilised and are civilians by statue. The meeting and announcement was done by General Fitsum Wedimemhr, the butcher of war veterans (May Habar) . PIA keeps Wedi Memher as a card of check and balance to General Philipos, because the two of them do not see eye to eye.

    The departure of DEMHET was not a good news for PIA. He wanted them to stay and had tried all he can, it seems that Dr Debretsion played it well. For PIA DEMHET was a two edge sword, personal protection and leverage against TPLF.

    Not a single person is not complaining, all including Osman Saleh complain that Eritrea is becoming another Somalia.

    PIA is still Giddy he believes everything is under full control and Suadi and UAE protection will guarantee his peaceful exit. Nevertheless He is confined in AdiHalo; he meets only with certain foreign advisors.

    The veterans are very disappointed, however it is not the same with certain segment of the society, especially the youth seem to like the current chaotic and uncontrolled situation. Offices and government institutions are completely paralysed. The middle cadre have given up, government has become dysfunctional.

    The story of Alamin and other three ministers resignation is not true ኣይሓሰብዎካ. However, ministers Berhane, Arefaine, Abraha Asfaha, Hagos Kisha do complain about ‘እዚ ሰብኣይ ኮነ ኢሉ ነዛ ዓዲ ይበታትና ኣሎ’ openly day in day out.

    Semere Russom declined the post excuses he is not in good health, and he adds quietly መንእሰያት ስልጣን ክሕዙ ኣለዎም እንዳበልናስ

    PIA’s next step looks like creating chaos and confrontation between Tigrayans and Eritreans by allowing Tigreans to dominate the street of Asmara. PIA instructed the police forces not to ask any driver from Tigray even if they make any infringement. He has also asked the police commissioner to invite police traffic from Tigray so they can handle the situation together.

    • Nitricc

      Hi Kbrom; is your name is Hayat? dude you are becoming something. You said
      ” The departure of DEMHET was not a good news for PIA. He wanted them to stay and had tried all he can, it seems that Dr Debretsion played it well. For PIA DEMHET was a two edge sword, personal protection and leverage against TPLF.”
      How is Debretsion to play PIA? wow dud take easy on sucking to Hayat.

      • sara

        nit Gen- hello,
        what are the 2 faces on a dime? was asked my friend when she was doing a TOEFL, do you know?

        • Nitricc

          Hey Sara; where have you been? You should show up more frequently. I need your help. PIA said to the Weyane thugs game over; after PMAA hacked in to his way to the Minilik place. But Why is it the Eritrean oppositions are more hurt by the word game over than the TPLF thugs? I really want to know. Every wanna be opposition is hunted by that statement; why?

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Sara,

          I can tell you Arawit and Wedi Arawit. It’s based on joke I heard in Asmara.

          Berhe

        • Nitricc

          Hey Sara; did you ask ” what are the 2 faces on a dime? Well that is easy; Semere Andom and Berhe.

      • Amanuel

        Hi Nitricc
        You don’t get it yet. Dr D. is administrating Badme and having access to Eritrean ports as the same time; your king said will never happen.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Amanuel; you are either incredibly slow or sadly suffering from Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Now before I grow like a fungus on you, which one are you suffering from?

          • Amanuel

            Hi Nitricc
            I am very slow like AbaGobiye (tortoise)

            *AbaGobiye was IA nickname during the 90s.

      • Blink

        Dear Nitricc
        Remember the meeting between Issias and colonels was also held in the Egyptian air plane C-130 , as per kibrom account.

        • Nitricc

          Hey Blink; I mean it is okay to gossip and to day dream but insulting people’s intelligent is stupid. Now, for the life of me, how exactly is Deretsion can have anything to say about TPDM? But for people like kbrom, no problem as long as PIA is looked bad anything flies. You will think in their age it should have been guiding principles such as self respect and dignity. TPDM is in Tigray at the blessing of PIA to start the new game. I don’t why but the Game-over statement of PIA hurts the Eritrean goons than the TPLF thugs, why? Let me repeat this the GAME IS OVER for TPLF thugs and the new game has started with TPDM. Sorry for Molla Asgodom; is he dead? well he is now.

          • Blink

            Dear Nitricc
            Remember Kibrom told us about his knowledge to Sabe and met him in Dubai, it means he is old enough to not chawing fiber rich foods . He is sleepless about everything to impress some people in this forum by making outlandish claims . The guy can be called TMZ without prove . He thinks people can buy his lies . I pity him really.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Blink I don’t remember about the Sabe stories and I have no idea how old the man is. From his writings, he seemed educated and father figure but his gossip is no match to Hayat’s yada-yada-yada BS. Kbrom’s lips must be bleeding by excessive kissing up to Hayat. Remember; the same thing happened to Beyan. Just to suck to Hayat he said things he live to regret. all I am asking to People is have respect for your self. TPLF thugs are gone for good!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink and Nitricc,

            It’s becoming very obvious everytime IA is exposed you too jump up and down.

            How about challenging what he wrote rather than who wrote it. Blink, please stop with your Sawa and Egypt story..just focus on this specific post please.

            Berhe

          • Blink

            Dear Berhe
            You know I am just messing around with Aboy kibrom plane C-130 , nothing to be serious really. Kibrom gossip machine is just an entertainment center for me.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink,

            This is from Aljazeera today by certain Dr. Mehari Maru “In January this year, Cairo dispatched Egyptian troops to Eritrea, stationing them at the border with Sudan, provoking speculations that it is seeking to establish a military base there.”

            I suppose Kibrom is the source for this story too:).

            Berhe

          • Blink

            Dear Berhe
            The guy is repeating the same lies , nothing colorful about old lies to be repeated. The guy is also a known kibrom. Aljazeera also reported 28 people died thing . Remember Aljazeera accepts any lies about Egypt. By the way the guy is simply alligator to make lies.

          • Natom Habom

            selam blink
            what do you expect from woyane dejection ,
            ,worst an army of troll masquerading as Eritrean are invading all social media ,it s lie after lie
            tplf is in it last breath we need to pray GOD to accelerate it fall with his worshiper all the way to hell ,AMEN

          • Alex

            Hi Berhe,
            The stuff kibrom wrote is so outlandish it is better to ignore it. For me it is OK to expose PIA but it should be believable and based on fact not innuendo. You remember the fake news from last week that Dr Debretsion will visit Asmara this week. You were stating people will accept him with Gayla and I told you it is not going to happen and to talk to me this week.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Alex,

            You have a lot of faith in IA and I have none. For me the decision is always one and the same, that is I always take the opposite side of what a normal person in IA position would take.

            How is it possible to expose IA? What access one have to do so? It’s going to be based on innuendo and leaks and educated guess.

            For example if you live in Asmara and your only source of information is EreTV. How would you know if IA went to Zalambessa and met DebreTsion and they hugged and kissed and shook hands.

            Did Debretsion trip already happened? If not I guess we still have to wait and see.

            Berhe

      • Consolation

        Nitric

        Mr. Kibrom’s outlandish gossip makes sense only if you assume that he is a mole sent by PIA to flood the opposition sites with his idiotic tidbits. I cannot imagine any other explanation for a grown up man to sit before his screen and pen the kind of nonsense he disseminates.

      • Kbrom

        Hi Nitriccay

        As Evelyn has put it ‘I don’t agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

        • Hameed Al-Arabi

          Salam Kbrom

          The famous maxim by Voltaire/Hall/ Evelyn, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”, was said in a center where people enjoy democracy and human rights. I think they didn’t say it to defend the rights of Shefatu (mafias) who abuse even children. I hope you pull it from the advocate of the devil. Sadists do not deserve it.

          Al-Arabi

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      ሰላም ክብሮማይ,

      ትተሓቆን ግደፋ ክሳዕ አጸቢቃ ትጽዒ:: አብ መወዳእታ “ሞኽባዕቲ ፍትሒ” ነቶም ‘ገበኛታትን’ ነቶም ‘አደዳ ጸረፍትሒ’ ዝኾኑ ዜጋታትና መምያ ነዚ ዘለናዮ መድረኽ ታሪኽና መደምደምታ ክትገብረሉ እያ:: ህዝብና ኸአ ነቲ ንነዊሕ ግዜ ዝምነዮ ዝነበረ “ፍትሓዊት ሃገር” ከአ ክረጋገጸሉ እዩ::

    • Lamek

      Thanks brother Kibrom. I look to reading your accounts here often. There appears to be a lot of factual basis to your assertions and I like how your write with so much confidence and you correct anything that seems apparently incorrect or flawed. Most other comments here are people’s completely uneducated at times irresponsible opinions. Most people write here on account of their emotions and not on factual basis or on their true observations. Of all people, even Nitricc now seems to make more sense because at least he brings up obscure things he hears about something happening deep in Ethio land. I like your writings because they are not mere opinions, they are substantial claims and it is up to the reader to research and verify. Who cares about the opinions of commenters here?

    • Kbrom

      Hi all

      PIA ordered all Hzbawi Serawit in all Zobatat to be disarmed, except Zoba Gash Barka. Again this responsibilty is assigned to B. General Fitsum.

      • David Samson

        Selamat Kbrom,

        When you say disarm, does it mean that all soldiers will hand over their weapons to Wedi Memhir? Do you also know their numbers roughly?

        • Blink

          Dear David
          Ask if there are any soldiers known by ህዝባዊ ስራዊት ? Does he mean ዕቁር ስራዊት . Just for the sake of the game , there is no such thing.

          • Desbele

            Selam Blink
            ህዝባዊ ሰራዊት እዩ ዝበሃል። ነውራም ስርዓት ኢሳያስ ንደቂ 70 መዕጠቂኡ እዃ እንተዘይገለጸ መቕጻዕቶም ግና ብኸምዚ ዘርዚርዎ ነይሩ

            “ኣብ ህዝባዊ ሰራዊት ንምዕጣቕ ፈጺሙ ዝሓንገደ ዝምልከት
            ሀ፤ ፈጺሙ ዝሓንገደ እቲ ኩሉ እውጅ መሰላቱ ይሕረሞ ። ኣብ ቦትኡ ሃልዩ ነቲ
            ተደጋጋሚ ጻውዒት ዝነጸገ ዝውሰነሉ ቀይዲ 4 ወርሕን ጽኑዕ መቅጻዕቲ ማእቶትን
            ወሲዱ ይዕለም
            ለ፤ እቲ ተለቒሙ ዝመጸ ይኹን ባዕሉ ዝመጸ ናይ 4ተ ወርሒ መቕጻዕቲ ይወሰድ”

            እቲ ዝርዝር ይቅጽል። ነዊሕ ስለዝኾነ ኩሉ ኣብዚ ኣይጽሕፎን ። ኣድላይነት እንተሊይዎ ን Awate ክሰደሎም ይኽእል እየ

            ኣብ ኤርትራውያን ዘሎ ቃልሲ ኣብ ሞንጎ ሰናይን እከይን ኮይኑ ይምዓኒ። እቲ ሰናይ ክዕወት እዩ።
            ገበነኛ ከም በዓል ኢሳያስ ኣብ ፍርዲ ክቀርብ እዩ። ገበናቱ ስለዝተሰነደ።
            ከም በዓል ንስኻ ዕዙማት ሰዓብቱ ንምብርባር ዘሎ ቃልሲ ግና መዋዕል ክኸውን እዩ

          • Blink

            Dear Desbele
            You just don’t get it , do you ? You have been bragging about your past and you don’t know the name . There is no such thing. If you have been to Keren wedi Emre would have helped you why the name ዕቁር ስራዊት not ህዝባዊ ስዊት . Ask any birgade personal to help you figure out . You should inform kibrom to adjust to reality first then take a step back.

          • Desbele

            Blink:
            I just shared excerpt from document issued from the office of head of HIZBAWI SERAWIT B/Gen Wedi Memhir’s office. Another excerpt from the doc title; ተወሳኺ ሓጋዚ ነጥብታት ኣብ ወተሃደራዊ ሕግን ሕጋጋትን
            (I am exact copying from the document). You moron,please tell me how many Hizbawi Serawit you read

            ኣሃዱ ህዝባዊ ሰራዊት ኤርትራ ከም ዝኾነ ውዱብ ወተሃደራዊ ኣሃዱ ኣብ ኩሉ ዕለታዊ ንጥፈታቱን መደባቱን ነቲ ሃገራዊ መስመርን መሰረታዊ ስነ ምግባርን ውህሉል ክብርታት ህዝባዊ ሰራዊት መሊኹ ንቡር ወተሃደራዊ ሕጋጋት ብተወሳኺ ምስ ህሉው መድረኽን ኩነታትን ንዘጋጥሙ ዕለታዊ ኩነታትን ንምእላይ ዝሕግዝ መሰጋገሪ ነጥብታት ዝርዚርካ ሓበሬታ ንምውራድ ነዚ ዝስዕብ ተወሳኺ ጉዳያትን ዝውሰድ ስጉምትን ኣብ ስራሕ ክ ውዕል ይለኣኸልኩም ኣሎ

            4. ኣባላት ህዝባዊ ሰራዊት ኣብ ዝተዓደለን ዝተወደበን ስራሕ ብዝኾነ ዘይቅቡል ምክንያት ምብኳር ዘይፍቀድ ኮይኑ እንተኣጋጢሙ ድማ ዝኾነ ዓይነት ብኩራት ከም ብዝሒ መዓልቲ ብኩራት የቕጽዕ

            You tried to discredit Kbrom as if you know everything in Eritrea. You are liar and i found you red handed. Game Over zombies!

          • Blink

            Dear Desbele
            First , i wanted to admit on Your supply but very hard from a 9 hearted keren- Asmara guy like you to believe. Second everything kibrom gossiped until now is all but false mega lies . I still believe on my ዕቑር ራዊት definition not on ህዝባዊ ስራውት and if there is difference between the two here you have the field make your own.

            Kibrom is not only a gossip machine, he is in fact a loser about it . You on the other a ጡስጡስ unionist who can only live as secondhand earthed material.

          • Nitricc

            Desbele; it is the end of the world when you call anyone a liar and zombies. I mean I have never seen a lifeless soul with a wet blanket personality. ” I brag earning my freedom” you will never be free and you have no clue what freedom is. when you for your country it is slavery but when you work for the white man it is freedom. trust me you will never be free. ”
            “As long as you’re enthralled by a lifeless form, you’re not
            free.”

        • Amanuel

          Hi DS
          Hzbawi Serawit means militia or non regular army. Their main job is to guard or protect their local area.

    • Abraham H.

      Dear Kbrom, thanks for the updates; I think the despot has finally got it that all his manipulations and excuses for keeping his rule have been exposed to all Eritreans and that Eritreans will no longer allow him to keep his dirty rule; not even his corpse will be allowed to rest in Eritrea. Now what he is doing is to bring the most damage, and chaos in Eritrea before he finally leaves one way or another.
      እዚ እኩይ ውርደተኛ ፍጥረት ዝገብሮ ዘሎ ስራሕ, ብድሕረይ ሳዕሪ ኣይትብቆላ “ዝበለቶ ኣድጊ” ኢዩ ዘመልክት

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    This piece is based on a true* account. It is only given a fictional treatment.
    ———————————————————————————————
    Visitor: Kibur President, why are you here companionless in a desolate place. You need some campany.

    IA: What! Can’t you see? What are these eyeballs of yours good for?
    Visitor: All I am seeing are cats, big cats. You are surrounded by 13, wait… f o u r t e e n cats.

    IA: (slicing pieces of red meat and feeding the cats one by one) now you are talking; now you can see and you can count as well.

    (While saying this, IA’s undivided attention was still with the cats and with what he was doing to feed them by calling out their names loud)

    Visitor: From their look, aren’t you worried you might have been over feeding them?

    IA: That is the point. The whole point is fattening them. Once they become useless, they even cooperate in making themselves more dysfunctional.

    (And then, IA called out “DiruE!” One mid-sized cat came to the front for its piece meal.)

    IA: This cat at times exhibits some rebelliousness. Otherwise, it does whatever you want him to do. Usually, no questions asked. I have to pay more attention to him for many other reasons.

    (IA turned to another cat and called out “Ali!”. A nice young-look confident cat emerged from the cat crowd.)

    IA: This one is totally gruff. Call him a pussycat. He looks out readily to show me his loyalty. I have a lot in mind as to what to do with this cat.

    But I want you to meet the two cats that I always fail to trust, and starting shouting the names of the two cats one after the other: Ephrem! Sherifo!

    Visitor: Why? Why do you not trust these two…?

    IA: This one is very slimy but I’m grooming him to be part of the problem and a solution at the same time. That will help us stay together for a while.
    This one, on the other hand, is what we typically call as Hakhli Dimu. My hunch tells me he won’t stay longer before he tries to jump over the fence.

    Visitor: How about this one? He seems to be more interested playing with the sack than eating the meat.
    “K’sha!” IA called out loud that cat for attention. The cat was not paying attention. IA couldn’t hide his anger. He called the name again to no avail. He went to the cat and gave him a nice foot kick on the front. The cat started miaw-crying so painfully and loudly…

    On seeing that, one other cat started running away. IA started calling his name to calm the cat down. The cat stopped and let itself be picked by IA.
    “Alamin, you don’t need to run away. If you don’t act stupid, nothing happens to you.” And then he let it go to the cat crowd.

    Another cat came near IA’s foot by itself; looked up and prrrred soothingly for attention. IA bended forward gently and picked it up onto his hold on one side of his chest and grooming it by his right hand and tried to comfort it with a catty voice, “Miawoo..How are you, my Charley!”

    Up on that very moment, the visitor (Yemenae gebremeskel) was visibly shocked while IA himself was observantly sneaking a look on him from his left eye’s corner.
    ————-
    * IA has 14 cats
    * he is obssessed in feeding them when under depression
    * He gave them nicknames to represent his closest officials

  • Berhe Y

    Hi Ayatna,

    I don’t to be exact what it means to be patriotic or not. I remeber watching a movie called “the patriot” long time ago with Mel Gibson. It was typical Hollywood movie with American feel good edition of the underdog who becomes a hero.

    I don’t think there is any country or a nation or people who are not patriotic or less patriotic than others. It all depends on the circumstances and the challenges they face and how they overcome them. In our case, I think because of our location and relatively small population, outsiders have been influencing our psyche for a long time that, we don’t even remember we were left alone to mind our business in peace.

    But I don’t think our inability to fight a parasite regime effectively is a good reason to say we are not or we don’t have it.

    Berhe

    • haileTG

      Selamat Berhe,

      We sometimes tend to employ assumed meaning of terms wishing them to mean the good things we intended to say. However, such terms as patriotism, nationalism,…are loaded and have a darker side to them. Reading down the list below, you may not feel too offended to be unpatriotic 🙂

      1 – Patriotic thought replaces critical thought
      2 – Patriotism may make war more likely
      3 – It may discourage useful political involvement
      4 – It encourages unjustified hatred or distrust
      5 – Patriotism makes rights violations acceptable
      6 – It makes censorship acceptable
      7 – Patriotism leads to denigration of others
      8 – Patriotic feelings encourage atrocities
      9 – It is expensive

      • Mitiku Melesse

        Hei HaileTG

        What if we formulate our patriotism based on the exact opposite of the first eight you have listed?

        • haileTG

          Haha … Selam MM,

          It would mean Eritrean misery would be over instantly! But wait a minute, if I replace every single part of my car, i.e. down to a single screw, do I still have the same car with parts changed or a totally different car? May be the very coinage of the term was cynical. It was said that its very first usage was to separate church from state. Secular schools free of the church influence were called patriotic, the land being their motto. While the patrie of the church was heaven. Hence, patriotism was conceptualized to take power from one group to another. Otherwise, there are countries who don’t even mention it (uk) in their public propoganda, yet do good for their country without having to name the act and set one group against another.

          I am pondering if it is a redundant concept that really means nothing for all practical purposes.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG

            In Canada for example, you will never hear anyone, be it in schools, in politics or anywhere mentioned at all. There is no pledge of allegiance or any of that non sense.

            In Canada, what people hold dear is, Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And this is not based on bogus concept like patriotism or nationalism or pledge of allegiance, but a written law the protects people rights and freedoms, I think from government, really.

            All Canadians, including recent immigrants are really proud of the country. The closest thing you get to patriotism or nationalism is every Christmas during the Juniors world hockey tournaments or every 4 years at the winter Olympic games.

            I have a Croatian Canadian friend where his wife was doing a post doctoral at Yale University. After she finished her thesis (5 years post), they come back to Toronto, although they had a chance to live and work anywhere in the US. When he left his children were young, and he told me, there is “no way when we have a chance, that we will let your children be raised in the US. Do you know the make them recite “pledge of allegiance” at school. What kind of crap is that?”.

            Berhe

      • Kbrom

        ሃይላት ዓቢ ሰብ፡ ብስም ፓትሪዮቲስም እተፈጸመ ዶ ንበሎ!

        It would not have been a problem if patriotism stayed in its original meaning and action i.e. “a love of country.” Patriotism, though not a form of governance, is transcendent that embraces a set of ideals, values, and principles. It used to call leaders to be accountable for their policies, programs, and actions.

        However, when it increasingly became about having the feeling of pride in one’s country, the dictators started to exploit it by conflating patriotism with loyalty. Dictators diluted the concept of patriotism from wholly supporting your country and being ready to protect it into the notion of right or wrong my country (ንሕና ንሱ ንሱ ንሕና). They changed it to walking heads up and chests out at the consciousness of belonging to a conquering/invading/superior group, hence patriotism became ዘቐይፍን ዝጽየንን ጉዳይ።

        Adolf Hitler did it in the name of patriotism
        Joseph Stalin did it in the name of patriotism
        Pol Pot did it in the name of patriotism
        Kim Jong-il did it in the name of patriotism
        Chiang Kai-shek did it in the name of patriotism
        Our own has been doing it in the name of Yemen መጺኦምኻ, Sudan መጺኦምኻ: Weyane መጺኦምኻ: CIA መጺኦምኻ: Game Over ተሪፎምኻ ኣለዉ ወዘተ

        ‘The patriotism of pride is not loath to meet its adversary upon the field of honor. When nations have a lively sense of power and prestige, a situation is created which furnishes admirable fuel for trouble. For insecure pride will induce fear, and fearful pride will allow no nation to do other than to resent insults, real or supposed, promptly and bitterly’. በላ ሓደ ለባም ኣብ ግንቦት 1918 ቅድሚ 100 ዓመታትን ሓደ መንፈቕን ሙኻኑ ኢዩ።

        I am not sure how this quote, which is taken from a critical analysis of patriotism presented for the Dissertation of Doctor of Philosophy in MAY 1, 1918, will play out today, in this time of globalisation.

        • haileTG

          Selamat Kbroma,

          You are spot on brother. Everyone naturally needs to eat in order to live, no need for eatism as a separate concept:)

          Just look where it lead us:

          – ብጽፍርና
          – ተሳዓርቲ
          – ንኺድ ጥራይ
          – ትማል ህግሓኤ ሎም ህግሓኤ
          – ንሕና ንሱ፣ ንሱ ንሕና
          – ወፍሪ ዋርሳይ ይከኣሎ ብዘይ ገደብ
          – መንግስትና ብዘይ ምክንያት ኣይኣስርን፡ እንተኣሰረ’ውን ንማሕነቕቲ ከይትፍረድ ሓልዩ ናብ ፍርዲ ኣየቕርብን
          – ዝተኣስረ ገለ ገይሩ ይኸውን
          – ዓለም ብምልእታ ኣንጻር ረብሓና
          – ዲክታቶር የብልናን
          – ምርጫ ኣየድልየናን፡ ቅዋም እውን መገልበጢ መንግስቲ ዝተማህዘ ሻጥር’ዩ ኣየድልየናን
          – ህዝቢ ዝስደድ ዘሎ ምርጭኡ ኮይኑ እዩ
          – ብስደተኛታት ማእከላይ ባሕሪ ምዝራብ ፖለቲካ እዩ

          ዝተረፈ ይመልእሉ ሰብ ዓዋተ…

          • Kbrom

            ሰላም ሃይላት

            እቲ ዝኸፍአ ግን ህዝቢን ተጋዳላይን ነቲ ዘይንቡር ኣምራት ደሓር ድማ ተግባራት ንቡር ዝወስዶም ሙኻኑ ኢዩ። በዚ ድማ ንዘይንቡር ንቡር ዝገብር ስርዓተ ህላወ ይፍጠርን ይልመድን።
            ህዝቢ ነቲ ህግደፍ ኮነ ኢሉ ዘእተዎ ንህዝቢ ገሪፉ ዘንበርክኽ ቅጽላት ኣብ ክንዲ ወጊድ ዝብሎ፡ ኣካል ናይ ዕለታዊ ቋንቋኡ ስለዚ ድማ ኣካል ናይ ዕለታዊ ቅቡል ህይወቱ ይገብሮ። ብኣብነት ንምስናዩ ልሙድ ኣዘራርባ ኣዴታት ኤርትራ ኮይኑ ዘሎ እነሆ።

            በዓልቤተይ ኣገልግሎት ነይሩስ፡ ምስ ኮብለለ ኣብ ተሃድሶ ን3 ዓመት ጸኒሑ ደሓር 2% ሃገራዊ ግቡኡ ብግቡእ ዘማልእ ሓሙተይ ንሓደ ሕያዋይ ኮለነል ብላዕ ምስ ሃቦ ደሓን ይእቶ ምሒርዎ፡፡ ናብ ሰውራ 75 ዝተሰለፈ ስንኩል ሓወይ እኳ እንተሎ ስለዝደስከለ ብዙሕ ኣይሕግዘናን ኢዩ፡ ብቐዳማይ ነቲ ስግረ ዶብ ኪኸይድ ዝተታሕዘ ኣብ ተሃድሶ እንዳቦይ ርጉም ዘሎ ቦኽሪ ወድና ሕተተሉ ምስበልክዎ ኣነ ደኣ ዝደስከልኩ ሰብ እዛ ሃገር ካልኦታ እንድዮም ዋናታት መን ክሰምዓኒ ኢሉኒ። ሳልሳይ ወደይኳ ሰሊጥዎ በዚ ባሕሪ ዓዲ ጥልያን ኣትዩ ፡ ካብቶም 38 ዝተበገሱ 22 ሰላም ኣቲና 16 ሰባት ጥራይ ሞይቶምና ክልተ ኣሕዋትና ጥራይ ተጋሲሶመን ኢሉ የመስግን ነይሩ። ናይዚ ዝበደሎ ናይ ጣዕሳ ወረቐት ፈሪሙ ክርእየና ይመጽእ ግዲ ይኸውን።

            እዚዩ እቲ ሽግር ሃይላት፡ ህዝቢ ነቶም ህግደፍ ንምርማሱ ዝመሃዞም ምጽልጻል፡ ምኹብላል፡ ናይ ጣዕሳ ወረቐት ዝኣመሰሉ ናይ በጋሚንዶ ቅጽላት ከም ኣካል ህይወቱ እንተርዒምዎም ናይ ብድሆ መንገዲ ኪነቅል ኣይከኣልን ኢዩ እኳ እንተዘይተባህለ ዘደናጉ ኢዩ።

            ከምግቡእ ንህግደፍ ንስኻ ኢኻ ካብ ሕጊ ዝኾብለልካ ኮብላሊ፡ ንስኻ ኢኻ ሕድሪ ሰማእታት ስለዝጠለምካ ናይ ጣዕሳ ሰነድ ክትክትም ዝግበኣካ፡ ቆጽሊ ስለዘየንበርናልካ ንስኻ ኢኻ ክትጽልጸል ዝግባእ ክብል ምተገበአ።ኣይመስለካን?

          • haileTG

            Dear brother Kibromay,

            That is exactly the type of swindle PFDJ pulled as a wool through our very eyes. The danger of trust is lowering one”s guard and unless it works well, the damage is astonishingly total. Language is one powerful attribute of humans which works both to internalize and externalize their experiences at the same time. Eritreans under hgdef had been severely damaged through this aspect. This is what makes me feel strongly doubtful that IA had managed this all alone. It all looks and smells very much a hidden outside entity that guided and direct him on how to play the people. It is almost a textbook play. The biggest fall of Eritreans was being foolish to trust him. Once you surrender your trust, the game is almost certainly over. Even at this last hour, we must ask who we are trusting and why? Then wait 24 hours before arriving at conclusive answer. After that we can do what our mind tells us. Please pass this message to any koborotay you come across. 😃

          • Desbele

            Selam kbrom,
            This is brilliant!

  • haileTG

    Hi all,

    So far, great discussions on the topic but what would actually make some one a patriot? Horizon’s point of taxation and dues, MM’s celebrating each other and Fanti’s corruption ridding through using a thorn to plie out a thorn approach are interesting facets. However, it seems we are really not even sure about what on earth patriotism is any way. I feel bad for those found guilty of unpatriotism when it is such a subjective and fluid concept. Is it a catch all word to advance partisan agenda? Just being cynical for no reason:)

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Ayneta, Haile TG*,

      Patriots are those who do what they can, when they can what they believe is good for their country. There are endless actions that cab be mentioned as an example of its presence or absence, but narrowing it down to specific actions as a sole test of patriotism can, and almost always does, lead to errors.

      My favorite example, somewhat silly though, is based on something I read on newspaper long ago. Some democrat sarcastically asked “why do republicans drive slow?” a few supportive and dismissive exchanges later someone replied: “because we love our country so much, we don’t want to rush through it.” As arguments go, I thought that was cute at the time.

      • haileTG

        Hey Fanti,

        I totally agree with you there. It can almost be anything that can be considered good for the country. Now we rest it only one question…is there a single tigrinya word (not phrase) to describe it. I know the amharic Hager Wedad is close but two words. Fiqri hager in tigrinya is also politicized to mean andinet:) what can we use…may be moxi has an idea..

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Haile TG,

          Unused thus far but it ought to. Male: “Hagerawi” Female: “Hagerawit” both: “Hagerawian.” Not bad, if I may say so myself.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Fanti

            I thought of hagerawi/t/yan, but then kind of seemed an appropriated word from “national”. Like hagerawi dihnet or national security, hagerawi quteba as in national economy…hagerawi wulqeseb or a PFDJ puppet..is there anything unique to the concept or this is a borrowed concept all together. May be ayneta can help…

        • Abraham H.

          Hi Haile TG, how about ሓርበኝነት? Not sure, though.

          • haileTG

            Hi Abraham,
            Patriots cemetery in Asmara is translated from meqabir harbengiatat. But YPFDJ also call each other patriotic. Very confusing! Does it have to involve the army to be a patriot?

          • Abraham H.

            Selam HaileTG, I think the political orgs have the freedom to call themselves whatever they wish, but I will not necessarily mean they deseve to be called patriots. And I don’t think one needs to be involved in the army to get the recognition of a patriot; I would say many of the great Eritreans who contributed for Eritrea’s independence in various ways aslo are entitled to be called our patriots, examples, Kebire, WelWel, Ibrahim Sultan, and thousands of Eritreans who contributed to the success of the armed struggle in various ways.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei TG.
          Just for fun. In Norwegian Hagerwedad is one word. In Norwegian noun can not describe another noun so you must write the two nouns together and create a new noun called Hagerwodad. The longest word i found was 45 letters.

      • Nitricc

        Your Fitness! You said ” example of its presence or absence, but narrowing it down to specific actions as a sole test of patriotism can, and almost always does, lead to errors.” Absolutely true;

        “Patriotism is a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood and narrows the mind.”

    • Selam haile TG,

      Personally i find hard to understand these two concepts, (patriot – nationalist). They are so confusing. Nevertheless, i have this notion that patriotism as a concept is more benign than nationalism, if the simple definition of nationalism were the belief in the superiority of one’s nation state (land and citizens/subjects), and if patriotism is the love of one’s country. But, is the definition as simplistic as that? Many see no difference between the two, the one flows in to the other and vise versa.

      I do not think that there are people who do not love their country, as long as they call it their country, then, why should it be special and why some should have the monopoly of being called patriots and not others, as long as patriotism does not mean the love of the government? I see purpose, a hegemonic one, when both terms were coined in the first place. Some eritreans and even americans are harassed for not being too patriotic.

      Whoever defends his country if attacked by a foreign power and at the same time acknowledges the rights of other countries and peoples, stands against internal enemies of the people such as dictators, respects the constitution and demands that it is respected by those who rule the land as well, stands for democracy, human rights, equality for all citizens and the rule of law, pays his/her taxes and does not live as a parasite on society or robs the nation, etc, i think that person is a patriot.

      On the contrary, if nationalism is a concept of the superiority of one ethnic group, when human beings are born equal, if it means racism, white supremacy, nazism, fascism, etc, then it is a toxic concept, and the philosopher Samuel Johnson was right when he said centuries ago that nationalism is the refuge of a scoundrel.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Horizon,

        It is true that nationalism and patriotism overlap and can be confusing, but here is a rule of thumb for us Ethiopians:

        Mengistu Neway was a patriot
        Mengistu Halemariam was nationalist.

        In other words, patriotism leans toward the people as nationalism leans toward the land.

        • David Samson

          Selam Fanti,

          I have to admit that, I am really embarrassed when I hear many ‘Habeshas using the word ‘Nationalism’ instead of ‘Patriotism’ when describing love for their country.

          In British’s dialect, Nationalism has a very negative connotation and should be avoided using it. If used, people will stare at you with weird look, and you might even get arrested😊.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat David Samson,

            To be honest, I have no idea where ‘nationalist’ came from except that it is relatively new, someone started to use it unmistakably to mean ‘someone who love their country,’ and the rest of us followed. We have formed a strong attachment to it, so, be tactical!

        • Haile S.

          Selam Fanti,
          ኣንታ ፊንታ-ነቢት፡ ፊንታ-ነቢት ኰንካና
          ብቀንዲ ስምካ እንተትመጽእ ምሓሸና
          ዝኾነኾይኑ ምርጫኻ ኣይኮነን ምርጫና
          ዝኾነ ኮይኑ ንመለስ ናብ ቁምነገርና
          I am not sure if M-Neway was a patriot, but I agree on your example of Mengistu-HM as being nationalist. Patriotism ኣባት ኣገር comes from the word Patrie, meaning fatherland, or motherland in Ethiopian vacobulary እናት ኣገር. Patriotosm is your attachement to your fatherland or motherland whoever you take as reference. Nationalism is your attachement to the nation ኣገር, compared to other nations, on the way stepping on those brothers or sisters and other nations that don’t see see the notion of a nation like you do. The patrie is umblical, the nation is political, me think.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            “The patrie is umbilical, the nation is political” very precise definition that clears the difference between the two. Good job.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Hailat

            ዓባይ ጓልና’ወ ሃገራዊት ኤርትራ
            ሕንጥሾው እናበለ ጽዕንዕን ምስጀመራ
            ዋላ ከይሓሻ ገደደታ’ምበር ብኡ ገይራ
            ንእዲ ኮይኑ ምውዓላ ተታሒዛ ኣእጋራ

            ንጋዶ’ንዶ ኹሉ ጸርናያ ብቓሬዛ
            ሓኪም ክፍትሻ እንታይ ከምዝሓዛ
            ዞኽ ዞኽ እናልና ንመቐለ ከምዛ ዋዛ
            ሓዲኡ ክንፈልጥ ዓሶ’ዶ ኢንፍሉዌንዛ

            ዘይሓሰብናዮ ጉድ ጸኒሑና
            ፓትሪዮቲዝም እያ ኢሎሙና
            መደመር ዝብልዋ ኪኒና ኣዚዞሙልና!!!

          • Haile S.

            ሰላማት መዀሲ and all፡

            ይበል ግጥሚ ወይ ጥዑም ግጥሚ
            ስኹዕ ስኹዕ ቃላት ኣብ ሓሳብ ኣብ ትልሚ

            ንሕናስ መሺሉና ነይሩ ዝሓዛ ሕማም ሕሞራ
            ብሰለስተ ጥብሕ ዝጠፍእ እቲ ናይ 70ታት ኣስመራ

            ሕማም ሕሞራ፡ ሕማም Chikungunya*
            ይለክፍ ኣሽሓት ህዝቢ ዘይብሉ ማእለያ
            ኣሎ እንዳበልካዮ ዝጠፍእ ምሉቕ ብጽርግያ

            ኣነስ ይመስለኒ ዝሓዛ መንጸሮር
            የ’ብላ ሓንሳእ ንኸተማ ሓንሳእ ንመሮር

            ከም ኣብዮት (revolution) ስጋ ደቃ ለሚዳ
            መድሃኒታ ኮይኑ ዘንብራ ብህይወት ዘሳድዳ
            መደመር ረኺባ እንሃለት ትሕይኽ ዕንዲዳ

            *I dared to call Chikungunya ሕማም ሑመራ because the clinical signs are very simillar including the bluish discoloration of the skin, which was very likely the origin of blood-letting remedy practiced in Asmara in the mid 70ies. Chikungunya was seen in Egypt & Sudan in the mid 70ies, but not sure it was diagnosed in Eritrea at that time. I am not surprised if it wasn’t. At that time Eritrea had the bigger issue than some fever and headache.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Horizon,

        It is indeed confusing and easily abused term. In fact, the recent spate of taking a knee at in the USA by sport stars was both seen as patriotic or unpatriotic depending on political disposition. What is embarrasing for us is however we copied the term without due understanding.

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Haile TG., I’m also not sure what patriotism entails, but if I were to give it my own description, I would say someone with a good sense of justce not only towards his/her own countrymen, but also to humanity in general.

      • haileTG

        Hi Abraham

        Shabait uses “patriotic zeal” to describe diaspora social gatherings, “veteran patriot” to describe ex-tegadelti who passed away and “patriotic Eritreans in the diaspora” to mean regime supporters.

  • Brhan

    Hello awate,
    Update news I spoke with one family who arrived from Eritrea to Ethiopia just a few days ago and from my conversation , I understand that the Ethiopian government has come with a policy towards Eritrean coming to Ethiopia in nowdays and it is : Either you have to go to the camp ( Enda Aba Guna) or have an Eritrean passport where we can put your residence permit. But as I mentioned before many Eritreans who are coming to Ethiopia these days, specially childeren , do not possess Eri passport.
    For those who follwoing the issue , have you recieved any similar info?

    • Kaddis

      Hi Brhan
      The Ethiopian maritime said they are working on port fees and modalities at policy level while admitting it’s a rapprochement comes first than trade regulation. I hope somebody is working on border control for people to make an informed decision. Trafficking of the young etc…is a risk.

      • Abraham H.

        Hi Kaddis, the major problem with the new rapproachment between the two countries is that it is highly unbalanced when it comes to the rule of law and institutionalism. On one side you have Ethiopia with a relatively well functioning rule of law and with institutions that have been steadily developing through the last 27 years. On the other side you have a country ruled by an imposter who have been busy destroying the meagre institutional capacity and human resources of the country sytematically through the past decades. I also suspect that this monster ruling Eritrea by iron-grip is hell-bent on destroying the viability of the country standing by its own feet. He is determined to ruin the country even further as he has such a deep seated hatred against the Eritrean people. It will just be a matter of time when the Abiy gov is going to lose patience and get really pissed off by the jungle rule that is practiced in Eritrea.

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Abraham.
          The 27 years institutions tplf developed has killed thousands and thousands people, put in prison hundred thousand people, more than two million internal displaced people. The institutions planed to promote one ethnic dominance in all sectors where courts, financial institutions, election commission, human right commission, controlled by tplf which has resulted in consuming so many innocent lives.

          So Ethiopia needs another 27 years to undo the damage made by tplf wired racist corrupted institutions where Eritrea is now. Just to make the maths compare how many Eritreans and Ethiopians killed by their respective government, killed by ethnic conflict fermented by government ethnic based propaganda just to control and dominate by one ethnic group.

        • Kaddis

          Dear Abraham

          I think Isiaias is modelling the Arab monarchs more than the
          Western check and balance structure. Our rules / constitution is sophisticated enough to accommodate from separatists to the unionists, regionalists, real and fake rebels etc.. and all in between.

          That means – the risk of Isiaias introducing a new spoiler in our already hot soup is minimal. But he could be a bad example for the leadership in making shady deals and we are already seeing that in the OLF disarmament deals. The hope is the new nationalist power in the centre, the Oromo elite, is in favour of more autonomy and will not be in favour of undermining the Eritrean sovereignty ( lucky you it’s not the Amharic Unionists) The gov will be busy pinned on Oromia and Somali region in short term.

          Plus – once TPLF starts to influence the Eritrean dossier – as on social issues as currently do – there will be more positive influence.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Kaddis,

            The people of Eritrea are in the market of Mr. Kaddis; he propagates in the following way for his ancient man commodities:

            1- “Our rules / constitution is sophisticated enough to accommodate from separatists to the unionists, regionalists, real and fake rebels etc.. and all in between.”

            2- ” lucky you it’s not the Amharic Unionists”.

            3- “Plus – once TPLF starts to influence the Eritrean dossier – as on social issues as currently do – there will be more positive influence.”

            Your writing indicate you are ignorant about the people of Eritrea. I guess you are speaking about the phony Eritreans who are in reality Ethiopians. They are loyal to Ethiopia, so you don’t need to influence them; they are naturally gravitated to Ethiopia: as an example you have Isaias, the Ethiopian slave. I guess, you have watched him how he was submissive when he met his masters.

            Al-Arabi

          • Kaddis

            Selam Al Arabi,

            In case there is a misunderstanding –

            I only spoke about Eritreans who are crossing the borders
            and their chances. As for the influence from TPLF; it’s the influence to be structured to avoid Badme 2.0 since Abraham felt Eritrea is lacking; not about Ethiopiawinet. They never cared. So do I.

            I grew up with Hadere neighbours who supported
            Egypt when they were beating Ethiopia 6 le zero in the late 70s in football . I only understand it since few years. There are people who will never buy your Eritrea nor Ethiopia nor Slovenia nor Russia… so what?

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Kaddis,

            I hope you read and paraphrase what you have written, then you will understand there is no lack of misunderstanding. I guess, I have quoted what you have said all to read.

            …. so what? Eritreans are not interested in inviting others. They just want to say don’t shove your heads in our issues. I think, you have a lot of homework ahead of you; concerning educating, feeding, and enlightening your people how to abide by law and act in a humane way.

            Al-Arabi

    • Abrehet Yosief

      Selam Brhan,
      I think what Ethiopia is doing is very humane. They have the option of being legal residents or be registered as refugee. I am surprised they are giving residence permit without asking for proof of income.

      • Kaddis

        Selam Abrehet –

        The latest IMF report said growth in Eth will be sustained +7.5% until 2023 and inflation will go down to single digit in 2019 etc.. not bad for a
        protest economy since four years . That means the economy can hire. Since the Eritrean youth comes with motivation and no land inheritance – they will be a good pick to work in factories and retain the job. A problem the factories are having is retaining the workforce…due to low pay and the option to go back to farming etc….

  • David Samson

    Selam Ayneta,

    My views on patriotism:

    A person who loves his/her country, lives and dies in his/her country of birth, come what may.

    I always follow the news on drowning of migrants in Libya, and pay close attention to nationalities of those unfortunate ones. I am intrigued to know why there are hardly Libyan immigrants, despite the country has become a failed state since the removal of Ghaddafi. Under normal circumstances, one expects to see many Libyans crossing in to Europe, given Libya’s geographical proximity to Southern Europe. I can only conclude that Libyans love their country, and thus are patriotic.

    I have heard from some people who also thought Egyptians are patriotic. I hope people who have either lived in Egypt or worked with them can say something. I believe Thais are patriotic too. You would struggle to find lots of Thais outside Thailand except for few women who are married to outsiders.

    • Amanuel

      Hi DS
      I don’t think immigration and patriotism are linked. I would have thought nationalism is. This may be generalisation but I think Egyptians don’t qualify to be called patriotic due to high corruption. Have you been to their air port for transit? That tells you all about Egyptian’s patriotism.

      • David Samson

        Selam Amanuel,

        Eritrean’s officials at the airport are as corrupt as Egyptians. Egyptians sooner or later might get rid of corruption, but not Eritreans– because they are living in afar someone’s land. Therefore, immigration and patriotism are linked.

        • Alex

          Hi David,
          Based on what did you state “Eritrean’s officials at the airport are as corrupt as Egyptians”. I have been to Eritrea more than three times in the last six year and did not see any corruption or heard about it myself at the Airport.

        • Amanuel

          Hi DS
          It is wrong to conclude that people who immigrate are unpatriotic. For example Aboy Weldab & other patriotic Eritreans had to immigrate to Egypt to continue Eritrean independence from out side when their life was put in danger.

          • David Samson

            Selam Amanuel,

            It all started when Ayneta invited us to comment on it. I expressed my views. That is all. I never made any generalisation, only expressing my views.
            I know people get emotional when it comes to ‘Patriotic’ ,as if they were asked to hand it over to some unknown entity.

    • Selam S.D.,

      If only the country-birds (if i may call them), and as you call them, “those who live and die in their own country of birth, come what may”, are the patriots, how would one characterize the millions of ethiopians and eritreans in the diaspora? Are they no more patriots?

      In the 1967 arab-israeli war many jews returned back from the usa and europe to fight on the israeli side, because they felt patriotic israelis no matter their nationality or where they lived. I am sure there are other examples as well. There are foreigners who fought and died in defense of people victims of aggression.

      Comparing libya with eritrea/ethiopia is not really easy. Eritreans leave their country, because their chance to live as all human beings in peace, freedom and possible prosperity in the future has been shattered by the dictatorial regime, while in libya the civil war is about sharing the big pie of the billions of petrodollars lying underground. If a libyan flees his country he forfeits his share of the billions dollars lying under the sand. With the wealth already accumulated over decades with the sell of oil, and some oil still sold in the black market by different groups, libyans can manage to survive.

      Be sure, libyans do not have a higher moral value than eritreans and ethiopians. If eritreans and ethiopians were in their position, they would have done the same thing for the sake of the oil money. Becoming a refugee is worse than what libyans are going through today.

      Remember, before the oil came and they learnt to live together as a nation, they were scattered entities in the libyan desert, who do not find very difficult to return to the past situation that existed 60, 70, etc yrs ago.

      • David Samson

        Selam Horizon,

        You put in selective arguments: even before the discovery of oil, Libyans did not cross the sea.

        Thailand was a poor country until 1990s, marred by coups and corruptions, yet majority Thais did choose to stay in. Do you know many high-rankings and wealthy Ethiopians travel to Thailand for medication? Many Thai’s medical doctors are trained in Germany. They are not enticed by living standard of the west. Why do they return home– because they love their families, and do not want to live apart?

        ‘Come what may’ include IFS statements as you have done so. If every citizen in Eritrea migrates because of the reasons you have stated, you have left a country with zero citizens. While deciding to live in far land and calling your self as ‘Patriotic’ is an empty bravado. Once you decided to cross the bond as River Nile does, you are very unlikely to return and at that point you fortified your ‘Patriotic’ card for good.

        • Aligaz G

          David,

          Your argument is silly. There are about 300,000 immigrants from both Thailand and Ethiopia in the US and Thailand has a much higher GDP and 40 million fewer people. Thailand also has had fewer wars and disturbances over its entire history than Ethiopia. We can do a similarly check for Libya. Take home lesson – don’t conflate immgration, GDP, and patriotism. Too many variables to begin with. Also if I am not mistaken you live in the UK (with a UK passport) so by your own logic you as an immigrant foreign passport holder cannot be patriotic and furthermore by this token most Awatistas cannot be patriotic and so why not close shop and stop all discussions.

          cheers

          • David Samson

            Selam Aligaz,
            “Thailand also has had fewer wars and disturbances over its entire history than Ethiopia”

            You are mistaken. Thailand has more coups and military rules than Ethiopia. I do not know where I said anything about immigration, GDP, and patriotism. My point was simple: some countries are inherently more patriotic than others. I also explained what I mean by patriotic. Being adherent to a constitution and paying my taxes do not make me a British patriot; they are just among few of my duties as a citizen of a country. You call can yourself Ethiopian patriot until your lung explodes.

          • Aligaz G

            David,

            You are debating yourself and you dont make sense. Carefully reread what has been written. Thank you for giving me permission to explode my lungs.

          • Aligaz G

            David,

            It seems to me that you don’t know either Thai or Ethiopian history at all. Can you for example tell us the last war fought in Thailand? Btw coups do not equate with actual wars. Perhaps you should stick to what you know easier to hide ignorance that way.

          • David Samson

            Selam Aligaz,

            I thought I let it to rest, but you seem to have reappeared with ‘Zeraf’. Where did I mention Thailand went to war? FWIW, Thailand has never been colonised and has not fought any major wars. Yes, Thailand had few border skirmishes with Cambodia over disputed land in Siem Reap. Before you open your big mouth again, there is a massive difference between ‘Skirmish and Full-scale war.
            Out of respect for other Ethiopians here, I would not say anything about Ethiopia. Why is the urge for you to show your arrogance? Do not comment on something not written on this board.

          • Aligaz G

            David,

            Things that are easy to check are not open for discussion. Your foolish opinions and theories however remain easy for all to see.

            Let’s see just for starters …”Thailand has never been colonised and has not fought any major wars.” A cursory check will show you that there are more than 10 major wars Thailand has been in over the last 100 yrs.

            I rest my case. Btw I won’t even comment about your big mouth.

            cheers

          • David Samson

            Selam Aligaz,

            When cornered, you keep diverting the issues at hand. Right from the outset, I only mentioned coups and corruptions, but never WARS. You have failed to answer my question: Where and when did I use the word ‘war’? I can only imagine, it probably reminds your ancestors for ‘Zeraf’. Unlike you, if I have a big mouth, I shut it and stick to what I know– the 3000 myth and will not venture out to my next door house.

          • Aligaz G

            David,

            Here is another dumb statement you made when describing a patriot…”A person who loves his/her country, lives and dies in his/her country of birth, come what may.” And you wrote this while living in the UK. Btw quotation marks indicate words that came directly from your big mouth. You are aware of this at least?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Aligaz,

            I am not trying to take sides but I think David is really reasonable guy and I think he knows what he is talking about.

            It’s ok to disagree and please by all means call him out when you do, but do you have to make it personal?

            I think we all can benefit from the collective knowledge of everyone and if we try to engage with honesty and respect.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            The first part of your post (the kumbaya part) is appreciated because “blessed are the peacemakers”. So thanks.

            The second part of your post needs to be looked at. And once again I QUOTE…”I think we all can benefit from the collective knowledge of everyone and if we try to engage with honesty and respect.”

            1. In order to benefit from collective knowledge there must be some fact checking.

            2. In order to engage with honesty we must not post things we are not sure about and we must not subsequently engage in intellectual dishonesty in order to defend an indefensible position.

            3. In order to engage with respect we must give respect in turn. And the best way to show respect in this type of forum is to respect forumers intelligence by posting factually accurate information. And if you can post in a logical manner this only reinforces your posts and shows respect and regard for others time and intellect.

            4. Expect to be challenged regardless – it is part of the fun. Sometimes the kitchen gets hot.

            cheers

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Aligaz,

            I am glad you agree on the first part.
            I also like the way you exanded the last part (points 1 to 3) and I agree with you.

            How ever you didn’t answer second part fully but partially (point 4) and you omitted the important part, which prompted me to write in the first place:).

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            Too much work brother. Fill in the blanks yourself. Otherwise pay me.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aligaz,

            ወይ ቦሮቕ ቦሮቕ ፡ ክንድዚ አለኻ፡፡

            ክንደይ ጎቦ ዘየጠረጠና በለት አድጊ፡፡

            በርሀ

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            What happened to let’s not get personal? The most boring thing is hypocrisy. Two sins in one. Pathetic

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aligaz,

            I am not getting personal. I am just replying to your arrogance.

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            Really boring

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Aligaz & Berhe,

            Something is telling me that this is one of those moments when one needs to be quiet and let time defuse the tension, but I wanted to use this opportunity to remind all of us about the wisdom that says “consider positive interpretation first” because it is a wisdom we all forget often, but I can’t stress enough about its validity.

            Berhe is one of the great people at Awate Univ. and I would never imagine he would say anything unbecoming especially to some one as great an awatista as you are. It can only mean that he missed the sense of humor in your “pay me” post and mistook it for arrogance.

            I missed a clever humor once (that I am aware of that is) and fell apart completely. Although the author was big enough to hold my hand and walk me through the maze, it still took me days to see what an A I made of self. I am still gnawing about that!

          • Nitricc

            Your Fitness; let’s call it for what it is. Berhe has no business dipping his nose in to Aligaz and David’s conversation. if Berhe must then don’t take sides. But Berhe can’t help himself, he has to interfere and worst take sides like teenager girls.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat General,

            Berhe really meant well when he started but perhaps he got distracted or something. The good news is that we all have had that day at one point, so it won’t be difficult to understand and forgive.

          • Nitricc

            Your Fitness; all is good! But how come you never had one of those days? Your calmness is impeccable!!!!

          • Aligaz G

            Nitricc,

            The Saint first hits the pause button and takes the dogs out for a walk and then smokes a Cohiba with his evening cognac nightcap before triggering the post button. Always.

          • haileTG

            Hello Good Fanti –

            I have this recognition that may help people overcome the fall out from incidents of conflict. But I need some one who can help explain it well. Here is the thing that we need to recognize: essentially, we as humans are an effect and not the operators. Thus it must be logical and acceptable to forgive and overlook. I know it is not easy to explain, hey but good luck if you want to give it a try😀

          • Haile S.

            Selamat Haile TG,

            If my understanding of your comment is correct, saint Fanti will certainly go along straight in the lines you traced. He wasn’t sanctified for nothing. He has to pay for his aureole!:-) As to me, let me take the other path.

            You didn’t leave us a choice, Haile TG! You said, I quote “we need to recognize: essentially, we as humans are an effect and not the operators. Thus it must be logical and acceptable to forgive and overlook”, end of quote. I think, looking and waiting for an ‘infallible ‘superior’ operator(s) and reducing ourselves for an-effect, ‘a fallible effect’, is the origin of our problem including our difficulty to “be logical and accept to forgive and overlook”. Instead of taking the decision upon ourselves, we humans chose to abscond from our responsibility by putting it all upon an operator(s) that we claim to be our sole protector, our moral-pillow and our armed-defender at the same time. In other words, our license to do good and bad, the operator willing. The ‘him-willing’ is our license, our wild-card that goes either way, to do good or to sin, to forgive or to justify, in this case. We chose to be the effect, the fallible, instead of taking the responsibility upon ourselves and our conscience. Blessed be the days when spiritual teachings were stressed on the hellish retribution for sin. Now, no one deep inside takes it seriously. Now, in the name of modernity, teaching are stressed on mankind having being saved once and for all by the sacrifice of the operator. If you believe in him and his sacrifice, you are saved, appears to be the moto; further solidifying our self attributed license to do good or bad, him willing!

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Hailat S,

            You see brother, even the religions are not spared from that. They too are an effect and not the operators. Even if we were to assume we can be fully responsible, where would that responsibility drive from? The first neuron that fired in mount carnal? The very taking responsibility is an effect too. It is a hopeless case to even consider there could be something of an operator in us. This however neither interfere with day to day going on nor limit you in the vastness of experience that you can enjoy as an effect:) Even this discussion is is an effect of another effect that followed a previous effect. We were always right to think that way but the great religions came to monopolize it by promising to get you in touch with the operator. To this day none have managed to deliver. Even they themselves are an effect. This is the great play. As humans we are afflicted with arrogance/pride (saying it as a condition rather than a put down). Let me share one simple scientific truth with you dear bro. If all the insects and worms in the world were to die today, life in this planet will end in a mere less than 20 years. On the other hand if all humans were to be gone today, nothing what so ever will happen to the rest of creation. It will be business as usual. However, we reverse this fact and consider us important and insects insignificant. Not true. We need to check the ego and soon bring peace and harmony for the world and ourselves. This is a perfect weekend topic, where is Paulosay these days?

          • Aligaz G

            Fanti,

            The vast majority here understand very well what Berhe’s asinine couplet and David’s zeraf allusions are all about – racism . In my opinion most Ethiopians here are PC followers of Dr Medemer but having lived most of my life in the west I don’t respond well to racism. But unfortunately these new Eritreans unlike previous generations don’t know how to handle direct talk and having their comfortable ideas challenged. Anyway the thread is public and everything is on the record.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aligaz,

            I am only responding because you used the word “racism” to associate me. I don’t know what your problem is and I don’t know what experiences you have dealing with Eritreans, but I sense that you have an axe to grind (እሉኽ ዘለካ). This is not the first time you have dealt with me in such manner, when my intention was nothing but to make peace.

            You can’t be further from truth to consider or associate me to be racist towards Ethiopians, if my understanding what you say above is correct. I have nothing but love and respect for Ethiopians. I can brag that I have Ethiopian relatives who hail from Tigray, Amhara, Gurage and Oromo region and I have nothing but love and respect for all of them.

            wodeHanka,

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ፋንቲ,

            እቲ ክትዕ ተራሩ አብዘይ ትሰማማዕሉ ግዜ ነቲ ጉዳይ አስፍል ኣቢልካ ካብኡ ምልጋስ ሐደሐደ ግዜ አገዳሲ እዩ:: ስለዚ በርሀን አልጋዚን ነዚ አገባብዚ እንተዝጥቀሙ ንቀጻሊ ናይ ሓሳብ ምልውዋጥ ምሓገዞም በሃሊ’የ:: ብዝተረፈ ክልተኦም ቡሱላት ሰባት ካብ ክትዓቶም እዚ ፎሩም’ዚ ምስተማህረ በሃሊ’የ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amuni,

            I support the idea ,,,,

            KS..

          • Saleh Johar

            Thank you Fanti.

        • Selam S.D.,

          That holds true for ethiopians and eritreans too. They never left there country because they were not patriotic. Eritreans started to leave in the 1960s, because of the eritrean war of independence, and ethiopians started to leave, because of the derg, and over the last two decades due to tplf and pfdj dictatorship that drove ethiopians and eritreans to flee their countries. Their flight was not exclusively due to economic reasons or they were not patriots. Patriotism does not even enter in this equation, because patriotism should not be equated to giving or denying support to the ruling regime.

          Thailand, Singapore, and the rest, characterized as economic success stories, remained in their respective countries as you said, although not entirely, not because of their patriotism as the main factor, but other factors played a role. Their position on the trade routes of asia, trading ports which helped them direct their economy towards export-oriented manufacturing and services that attracts tourism, and they were lucky enough to be ruled by benevolent dictators, who used the developmental state economy to benefit their people and not to enrich themselves, unlike in ethiopia. Unfortunately, thanks to the eritrean regime, eritrea was stuck with that self reliance myth, and lost the train all together.

          In addition, chinese immigrants built the american railways in the 19th century, and they were not unpatriotic creatures that were lost to china, because many brought back the know how so that china could be in the end a world power she is today.

          What matters most is the political situation back home more than anything else. Whether eritreans and ethiopians remain patriots when they are in diaspora, and if there is a chance they will return back home, with knowledge and experience to help their respective countries, depends on the policy of the governments.

          You should have considered what has happened in ethiopia since the last political change. Ethiopians who never dreamed they will ever return back to their country are doing so. On the other hand eritreans are continuing to leave the country in droves. Why ? because, No change has come to eritrea. If eritrea is emptied of its people, it is due to the regime and its supporters, and not due to eritreans themselves. In a way they are being evicted from their own country.

          • David Samson

            Selam Horizon,

            “You should have considered what has happened in Ethiopia since the last political change. Ethiopians who never dreamed they will ever return back to their country are doing so”

            I call these people hypocrites and fake patriots.
            Right after Independence, many Eritreans had returned home and lived happily until 1998. When the war broke out, these fake patriots were panicked, rushed and pleaded to their respective embassies to get them out of their country of origin as soon as possible. Leaving your country in droves during its dark hours and when it needs you badly is not a sign of a patriot.

          • Blink

            Dear David
            Not to punch you but you have to remember all these people have done everything they can , far better than some who clapped for 27 for weyane hand .

    • Berhe Y

      Hi David,

      I don’t have clear understanding what “patriot” mean. But I don’t agree that it’s a characterization of people of certain country or location. I guess my opinion is, it depends on the type of adversaries people face. Sometimes when all odds are stacked against them, for example as people in Syria being terrorized by ISIS or bombarded by the government, the only option they may have is to just run and save.

      Berhe

      • David Samson

        Selam Berhe,

        Haile said,
        “Otherwise, there are countries who don’t even mention it (uk) in their public propaganda yet do good for their country without having to name the act and set one group against another.
        I am pondering if it is a redundant concept that really means nothing for all practical purposes.”

        It is a word loaded with emotions.
        I could not have put it as eloquent as Haile’s did.
        During 98s war, I expressed my strong feeling against the senseless war. I was called and labelled many names. As a pendulum, my Identity and nationality had moved over from being Tigray to Gonder. I did not pay any attention to these cowards, but many friends thought that I was trying to hide something and went to the extent of going to Eritrea to dig up my IDs. Many of these cowards were trying to hide their own identities. And the table has now turned on them, and some of the noisy ones turned out to be people with questionable IDs. I really feel sorry for them, but they brought onto themselves.

        I was never asked another silly question when I was in Eritrea: “Are you proud to be an Eritrea?” This again is meaningless and cliché. I do not know what it means, nor do I know how to answer it. Why is ‘proud to be’ suddenly becomes an issue? It is most likely a way of asserting ones ID. People should be rightly being judged by their actions and deeds, not by empty rhetoric. I think I am inadvertently influenced by the British psyche.
        I always worry of people who sound more Catholic than the Pope.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear David,

          It’s similar in a lot of places. I can say I went though similar experiences my self, although mine was a little bit after yours 2001.

          One of the failures of our struggle (at least those who oppose the regime) is not identifying who the Eritrean people enemies are. For example, the Americans when they invaded Iraq the have a deck of cards with all the Baath party leaders.

          In our case, we failed to identify who the leaders in the regime are, who they are, where they come from, what their education is, what their back ground is, etc…and the same can be said in each cities around the world, where the hardcore supporters operate.

          I am convinced there are certain core groups that are organized in certain matter who have similar back ground, who see the PFDJ / IA their savior. Then based on that data, we will be able to identify them and what brings them together, so it would help pin point who the enemies are what they serve. I think the core group are probably 1% and the rest are used in some form or another as loyal servants to hide what ever past they had or what ever they currently benefit from.

          Because there is absolutely no reason, not even 1% reason, that anyone in his right mind support the regime and the misery he is causing to our country and our people.

          Berhe

        • haileTG

          Hi David,

          Basically, we want to better ourselves from the next guy somehow no matter what the context. When people go to religion, God is the same but they want to be more Godly than their fellow. When they belong to the same citizenship, they want to be more citizen than their fellow. Buddhists believe we are essentially void or nothing and the monks try to be more nothing or more void than their fellow!! In a nutshell, it boils down to ego. The ego has essentially one and only one purpose,to be a better different. Otherwise, the concept is as hallow as it can be.

  • Amanuel

    Hi Campo Cicero
    I am not sure whether Dr Debretsion is coming or not. However, just to remind you that Dr Abiy admitted that he participated in the Badme war. Both are Ethiopians and if we want to have a durable peace we should offer it to all Ethiopians equally.
    Consider those Eritrean mothers who are crossing to Ethiopia never to return; know who is their main enemy is and they are leaving him behind.

  • Amanuel

    Hi Hope
    You are simply a liar.

  • Mitiku Melesse

    Hei Ayenta.
    In Norway Patriotism is exercised by renewing the oath to respect the constitution day by celebrating the constitution day. This day is celebrated by all beyond word can explain it. The adults know how this outstanding constitution brings better life for all and the kids learn about it. They don’t display army parades or weapons on this great day instead school children parade.

    • Selam M.M.,

      Next door are the finns (finland), who consider not only their national obligation and duty, but also their national pride (patriotism), to pay their taxes. They consider taxation as their national deposit, which will secure their healthcare, their children’s education and good old age. Every year the names of the first ten highest tax payers in finland are released to the media.

      Compare this to most countries in the world, where finding a way to pay less taxes and even no taxes at all, is the norm. Since thatcher and reagan and with trump now in power, tax relief is the new norm for the rich billionaires.

      In ethiopia, citizens should demand for the names of the hundred worst corrupt officials and embezzlers of the previous government.

      • Aligaz G

        Horizon,

        In Trump’s world it is patriotic not to pay taxes because Big Government is the enemy of the people. In this parallel universe only the sheeple (Democrats) pay taxes.

      • Fanti Ghana

        Selamat Mitiku and Horizon,

        I am envious of Scandinavian countries in general especially on their social sciences. Norwegian children’s parade of constitution day and Finns enjoying paying taxes is a testament to the level of maturity they have reached on matters of governance and laws.

        Here in America, many of my friends and I are in agony a few months of every year filing our taxes. Taxation in this country is generally tailored to help the rich. Especially when the conservative party is in power, the kind of methods they try to devise so the rich pays as little tax as possible is mind boggling.

        Horizon, I like your last sentence about exposing corrupt officials and I want to expand on it. The penalty for hiding more than one million US dollars in foreign banks should be 20 years imprisonment and confiscation of the money.

        For those who keep the money in the country but not in a bank or in a form of property, penalty should be confiscation of the money, revoking of any business licenses, and public exposure.

        Those who keep the money in a bank, penalty is confiscation but they can keep their job and licenses and no public humiliation for the first offense.

        Those who keep investing the money they stole back on some form of business and create jobs along the way, first time they are caught they need only return the money and be given a strong warring.

        Forget all of the above. I have a very interesting corruption idea for the small people. Government salary in Ethiopia is extremely low. I really don’t blame those who expect 50 or a 100 birr to do the simplest of tasks. It is also impossible to eliminate. So, I suggest it should be legalized!

        Signature only 25 birr, signature and a stamp 50 birr, something that takes more than an hour to prepare 100 birr, a day 150, and etc. Make every thing for sale so to speak. Then all that money will be divided between employees as a bonus. That way every one is happy and saving time. I can refine this farther if you are interested but what do you think about the concept?

        • Selam Fanti Ghana,

          I am not sure if i have understood well the concept. In my opinion corruption and legalizing it do not go together, however small the amount of money involved may be. All corrupt people start with small money, unless they are big government officials, or those who have built their wealth from corruption, who go straight for the big catch.

          What i would have liked to see is to have tough anti-corruption law that really works, tax the rich, develop effective taxation system in ethiopia, because the majority do not pay taxes not because they are tax evaders only, but there is also no effective way of collecting taxes, etc.

          By increasing tax revenues and controlling government wastage of money, the country can have enough money to pay a reasonable salary for the lower strata with which a family can lead a decent life by ethiopian standard (the so called low middle income class), at the same time by controlling prices, etc.

          Otherwise, if you allow illegal money, however small the amount maybe, soon it will inflate into a huge corruption. Human greed is beyond control even by law, let alone by goodwill.

          • Admassie

            Selam Horizon and Fanti Ghana

            No amount of shaming or punishment or incentives will wash away the CULTURE of corruption in Ethiopia. We have already slided to the worst state of morality and we condone corruption as the act of being SMART and ACCOMPLISHED.

            No one is immune. Whether in religious institutions or schools, whether in public or private offices, whether in hospitals or prisons, where ever we are in, corruption is a norm.

            This behavior do not stand by itself, rather it is a result of other wrong perceptions precipitated in the minds of our society.

            The pressure of meeting the daily basic needs at any cost, the sense of authority and power people feel in what ever their public position is, lack of understanding of one’s responsibility and obligation, lack of commitment to the rule of law, lack of projecting the outcome of one’s action over individuals, society and a country are few to mention among others.

            I beleive working comprehensively in creating an informed and conscious society minimizes the level of corruption, at least to the oridinary citizens in their daily life in demanding basic services.

            Changing scociety’s behavior and working starting from grass root seems time taking and the result looks distant, but symbolic actions and quick fix alone will not do it.

            I am not saying you suggested that, but, whenever corruption is being discussed, people always tend to see the legal punshment side only and miss the root cause and working on it.

            What your Scandinavian examples show are, though a distant dream for us, what we need to work on our society.

            Admassie A.

          • Selam Admassie,

            Is it possible to say that ethiopians are corrupt because they have a culture that corrupts them? Despite their christian and muslim teachings that are supposed to make them God-fearing human beings, the insatiable greed of some citizens since the dawn of economic development, is beyond belief. The virus of corruption and greed seems to have infected even ordinary citizens.

            Ethiopians must be among the few people in the world who have a proverb similar to, ‘ሲሾሙ ያልበሉ፣ ሲሻሩ ይፀፅታል’. Maybe italians have a similar philosophy that says ‘public money is like the sacramental wine, you must taste whenever possible’.

            Getting rich quick and the easy way is the new fashion in ethiopia, it seems. Still worse is the fact that corruption in ethiopia has become unethical and dangerous to the health of citizens. Last time i heard that a woman who sell injera was apprehended for adding powdered lime (calcium hydroxide) to teff powder to make injera. Hydrated lime is caustic, and one can imagine the danger people are exposed to. One other person was caught selling teff with the chaff.

            These are the tip of the iceberg. Even ordinary people have become extremely greedy, not always out of poverty, but to become as rich as possible and as quickly as possible. The last scandal of expired food sold at the ethio-eritrean border is another example. It is not only about ignorance, but extreme meanness and greed.

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei, Horizon.
            It is too biased and too much generalization. Ethiopia has more than hundred million people. Even if you compare the country side people against the city you will be surprised.

          • Admassie

            Selam Horizon,

            “ሁሉን ቢናገሩት ሆድ ባዶ ይቀራል።” ይላል ያገሬ ሰው። Those cruel acts and incidents you mentioned are indeed the tip of the icberg. Every time you hear similar scandals on ዘይት ፣ ቅቤ ፣ በርበሬ ፣ ማር ወዘተ, one feels a constant terror and there is no way that you can escape except to pray that you are not one of the victims.

            We lost the notion of wrong from right and I agree that greed is also one factor in the equation of the morale decadence. At least we had a pride then (ድህነት ከኩራት ጋር) at the time when we were in absolute poverty.

            Religion and beliefs together with strong family and societal bondage may have played a vital role in our early moral guidance.

            However, when we lost those elemrnts to socialism and revolutions and later on, in the time of globalization, to the pressure of making quick money and becoming rich overnight , alas, religion became a mere ritual and parents and societies lost their authority.

            Now, we have neither our traditional moral value emanated from religions and the words of the elders nor do we attained any new one learnt from others. Ultimately we lost our self respect and to respect the life of others.

            A society with this much moral and ethical corruption has also showed us how challenging to a countriy’s stablity and to the effort of building democracy.

            Therefore, changing this corrupt culture needs to be given
            a strong priority for, I believe, it is the bases to the sustainability of the other democratic reforms and the stability of the country.

            Admassie A.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Admassie; you said ” Therefore, changing this corrupt culture needs to be given a strong priority for, I believe, it is the bases to the sustainability of the other democratic reforms and the stability of the country.” First African half backed style of democracy encourages corruptions in to strategic stage. you don’t need any example other than your own country. However; what do you think the solution is? if you were given all the power to fight and eliminate corruption, what would you do?

          • Admassie

            Hi Nitricc,
            It is not a matter of having “all the power” that gives the leverage in minimizing corruption in my country. It is identifying the problem and set priority in tackling the challenge. We all tend to focus on the corruption of the big boys and forget the:
            1. The corruption at the lower level that affects the ordinary person in its day to day life.
            2. The thinking that creates the culture of corruption at all level.

            Admassie A.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Admassie; You are not going to eliminate petty corruption. It exists
            in every society. What I am talking about is the grand and institutionalized corruption, simply Ethiopian style. When corruption becomes a culture there is only one action and I am asking you if you know that one action.

          • Admassie

            Hi Nitricc,
            Do tell please, so that we can learn.
            I did not say “eliminate” rather I said “minimize”. I do not think corruption can be eliminated.

            But, contrary to your conclusion, petty corruption can be minimized to a very negligble level to which ordinary people feel at peace, where as, grand corruption stays as a challenge for long.

            You have a good example in most of the developed countries including the country where you live: You do not hear the ordinary citizens in those places complaining of corruption in their daily lives, where as, it is a good news every now and then to hear the scandals of companies in land and abroad.
            Admassie A

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Berhe, Admassie, and Horizon

            I am totally with you guys about this whole thing. My ‘legalize corruption’ statement does not sound good, but what I was thinking is similar to your main ideas.

            1) pay better salary (average one bedroom rent + 65%)
            2) improve social consciousness (corruption is bad for all of us)
            3) have counter check mechanisms in place (involve more than one department)
            4) reward those who serve the public better (annual announcements and bonuses), and so on.

          • Mez

            Dear Hotizon,

            Why tax the rich?

          • Selam Mez,

            (I wish i got the kernel of your question. Two or more sentences could have helped).

            Why not tax more the rich, as long as they profit the most from society, the 1% of human population owns the 99% of the wealth of the planet, human societies have formed their countries since their separation int states (ancient times and modern) on contribution, each according to his/her economic power, and finally as long as the rich have accumulated wealth by depriving the rest of humanity, wealth they cannot put to good use, why not tax them more to put the money for the common use?

            Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are more or less begging to be taxed more. Warren Buffett years ago had said that he pays less tax (percentage wise), compared to the lady who cleans his office. This shows the injustice in the taxation system, which is supported by neo-liberal governments.

            Part of the profit must return to society and be invested on the wellbeing of society and sustain the nation. That is how modern society is formed. After all wealth is created by society itself and not by an alien force. There are those rich people who say that they are much more educated and clever, as if their brain is equivalent to that of the brain of 7.5 billion human beings put together, and work harder, and that is why they ended up rich, and why should they pay taxes for that? Nevertheless, except for few of them, their wealth is a continuously descending inheritance, most of the time acquired under questionable circumstances throughout the ages. Take as an example, the present president of the usa, who fortunately lost one of his billions since he took office.

            The old communist philosophy of wealth is the extra fruit of the labor of the working class has yet to lose its meaning. In the future, these billionaires and trillionaires may own both the means of production and labor, because they will own the AIs and robot (future laborers), and human beings will be jobless and poor, with the resultant social unrest and destruction of the whole system, unless the state is made the owner of the means of production and uses it for the good of all humankind.

            That means, it is not only logical that the rich must be taxed more, otherwise, at some stage there will be no other solution other than to have them lose their control over their wealth for the sake of saving the human society and the planet.

            After all, how will the lives of 1% of the human population who own the 99% of the wealth, be affected if they are taxed the right amount due to them, when everybody else who barely survive on their income have to pay more than they can afford.

            The myth that the rich will reinvest into the economy and create jobs if they are taxed less, is a fiasco that brought the modern day uncertain world, and the excess profit was simply funneled into the black holes of the so called offshore companies. In addition, the jobs that already existed were outsourced to foreign lands where cheap labor is available.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Fanti,

          Your approach is a path to failure. You can’t institutionalize crime (which corruption is. The best solution is to have long term goal which is corruption free and build towards it.

          A good example is figuring out government employee pay fees and adjust them so they are at par with living wages.

          For example, here in Ontario there is certain things they do.
          1) All government jobs go through a public notice / website and they have standard, requirements, deadlines, etc.. so it’s fair to everyone.
          2) The minimum pay for all government jobs in Ontario has to be above or equal to what’s considered a living wage. For example the minimum wage is (15 dollars and if we multiply by 40 hrs / 52 weeks) $ 31,200 annually. If you search any government jobs in Ontario for example and you listed it by salary, the minimum salary is 40,000.
          3) All government employee who earn more than 100,000 K their names is listed annually for public to know (sunshine list). It serves a purpose in my opinion, i) know how much the top are making ii) it helps the industry to catch to the government rates iii) it helps to know how much the government is spending.
          4) In the top paying jobs, typically private sector does pay a lot more, than government. But government jobs makes up with job security, better pension, better benefits, unions. Sometime it feels too much waste but I think over all, it serve the society better, such as doctors, teachers, engineers, etc.
          5) The government jobs are difficult to get and there is a lot of competition. But I think because of these, the people who work in those jobs take their jobs seriously and in most cases, they help cut down the corruptions and serve.

          One thing I don’t agree and I never want to accept is:

          1) This is Ethiopia / This is Eritrea
          2) This is Africa
          3) This is the way of life etc.

          With this type of approach, we will never fix our problems and we will never get out of the misery our people find themselves.

          If we believe that, I think we need to seriously consider and accept the fact that, we, Africans, as some people say, we are inferior in our ability to think, that our brains are not the same or equal to the rest of human beings. Then, I would say, it’s justified if other races calling our kids “they are monkeys”.

          Berhe

  • Aligaz G

    hope,

    I am not sure whose club I am in but If as you mentioned the EDF was in a position to overrun Makele then it was necessary to neutralize the threat. Nobody willingly leaves issues of sovereignty and national security in the hands of others.

  • David Samson

    Selam Hope,

    I always assumed that you are a sensible and an intelligent person. It’s mind boggling to see you repeat these cheap lies. If any person who can be accused of treason should be that of Shifta Adi Halo, not G-15. Please read my reply to Haile below. Do you know many of the G-15 contributed more for the liberation struggle than IA? Do you know Sherifo joined the struggle three years earlier than IA? Do you really believe all these crap from IA and sleep well? I have many misgivings over Ghedli, but I would not accuse them of treason.

  • David Samson

    Selam All,
    According to Radio Erena’s news, the next President state of Eritrea, has commenced his apprentice at the office of his own’s dad. We call it ‘Jobs for the boys’

  • Nitricc

    Hi Ayneta; I know how dejected you are but you are what you think you are. So, no need to spread your Paleness and weakness. Eritreans fought and freed what it belonged to them by facing twenty times largest than them and they got out with their two ports. So, you can shove that psychologist BS you know where. Check out the history!!!!

  • Blink

    Dear Ayneta
    Just for the record, I know people like you who are just useless full of time only for bad roles. Remember this , undermined enemy of yours beats you to the ground while the whole world looking at your ምሽቲ face. The most lethal weapons ever assembled against horrible people like was just sitting under your arm and that was again undermining your enemy, it is just as good as you can get and still continues to be the best assets of political wars. You got beaten by that. The Eritrean people are full of courageous men and women yet you have been undermining them , now you get the taste of defeat and that is making you go banana.
    when I see people like you making intelligent dishonesty, I tend to tell them the truth , the only truth . You Ayneta are the product of these creatures. You guys have this juvenile behavior proven to be dysfunctional not to mention criminal beyond reasonable doubts; there is no sign you are abandoning the alternative reality you live under and continued to stick with it when the reality continued to slap you on the face more and more. Instead, you are out in attempt to circumvent the reality by creating another fairytale that fits your delinquent behavior to stick around than accept their criminality and surrender. As I said you are done.

    • haileTG

      Hi Blink and ayneta

      This has been how discussions among Eritreans keep dying. It is clear you guys have an ax to grind against each other. Even I haven”t started it won’t work. To engage or ignore is a choice.

      What is patriotism? Is it universal or specific to one’s position on issues? It is a rich topic but needs peaceful and respectful atmosphere to be discussed. Let’s not second guess one another and zero in on the topic. BTW I only playing shimagle here, don’t shoot. Consider me Red Cross personnel.

      • Blink

        Dear Haile TG
        You know I respect you because of the way you handle things and the way you choose your words even when you wanted to insult and I have been seriously ok with you for a very long period of time so your ሽምግልና is always ok for me . Look at the statement this guy is making and put it on a big mirror in front of 90,000 heroes faces who paid their life to throw out colonial powers and clean messy business done by PFDJ , can any one with a slight 👁 problem make such horrible statement in the 90th against the Eritrean people. Haile TG , I don’t know about you but I have seen Eritrean woman at her 30 with her 3 kids on their feet and at her back carrying Kalashinkof , her name was Halima ,in 2002 I was going on my way to old EPLF technical school to digg out something very important ( the place is way down from Nakfa and it took my driving skill to drive down the treacherous road , it happens to meet people that most EPLF big guys forgot to remember, there I asked about Halima and her sons , I find out one is in Texas and the two paid their life for the mistakes made by PFDJ as well as weyane expansionists diseases , still I hear Halima continues to do what most Eritreans did and still do.She was(2002) a teacher for women ምጥፋእ ማሃይምነት , That’s what exactly I am looking when I see Eritrean patriots . Count me with the extremists on this issue.

        • haileTG

          Selamat Blink,

          Thanks.

          I read from Halima’s story and the sacrifices for independence that you alluded to, you value selfless devotion to a cause. If I am not putting word on your conclusion, I also assume that is what you value as patriotism. The value of patriotism ayneta ascribes for also appears to be standing for justice and common good. While Nitricc has a baseline mode of allegiance to the flag and nation no matter what. In my opinion patriotism may be dynamic that changes with changing societal priorities, yet assumes the common good mantle albeit within the context of the prevailing sitiuation.

          In a counter intiutive way, to withstand challenges stoically as the silent majority do may even be interpreted as patriotic. One way to think about this complex nature of patriotism and its true place may be that to consider how you would tell your children to be patriotic. What would you offer them to judge with if something is patriotic or not. For the brave one’s they might even go further by relating to their children that what it is they do or did as patriots. I hope this gives enough pointers as to how this problem is riddling me:)

      • Nitricc

        Hey Haile-TG; you said ” What is patriotism? Is it universal or specific to one’s position on issues? I think I go with what Mark Twain’s take
        “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.”

        • leGacY

          Hi Nitricc,
          Or we could go with the less charitable definition of patriotism by Samuel Johnson as the last refuge of scoundrels.

          BTW, why the hatred for the Oromos?

          • Aligaz G

            leGacY,

            I wouldn’t call it hatred for Oromos. It is mostly a bad case of schadenfreude and sour grapes. This will subside once peace and security reigns.

          • leGacY

            Hi Aligaz,
            I am not sure why he is working himself up into a frenzy over the plight of Amara youth. I thought this was supposed to be democracy. Everyone seems to be advancing the narrow interest of the people they allegedly represent. I don’t see what the big hoopla is about.

          • Aligaz G

            leGacY,

            Actually things are not going perfectly in Ethiopia but the preoccupation and satisfaction with bad news is indicative. As far as the focus in ethnicity goes, this will continue until politics is de-tribalized. In fact democracy is perverted in the current state to mean tribal politics.

          • Nitricc

            Hi legacy; me hating the Oromos? No! I stand with them when they were getting massacred and wronged and now I am speaking against them because they are becoming not only the oppressors but the killers. people in politics in Ethiopia needs to sit and think. It is very easy to create civil war and then try to stop. What the oromo Ibsa is saying; what the Oromo Jawar is saying; what the Oromo Bekele Gerba is saying, they are declaring civil war. I understand Ibsa must be made a deal with TPLF, who would have thought the OLF will be treated to breakfast and lunch in Tigray? Who would have imagined it when Sibhat Nega holding OLF flag, a flag so many Oromo killed for holding that flag. What I am simply stating is Ethiopia is in deep S. And Oromo is fueling it.

          • leGacY

            Hi Nitirric,
            ‘Killers’ is rather a very hasty statement. The Oromos will tell you that they are protecting/advancing the interest of their people in the manner they see it fit as are the Amaras and the Tigres. Isn’t that what democracy is all about? You might not like it but hey- who said democracy is a picnic ?

            “Who would have imagined it when Sibhat Nega holding OLF flag, a flag so many Oromo killed for holding that flag”

            I can’t argue with that but that seems to be everywhere except in Eritrea where nothing seems to change.

            Take a deep breath Ato Nittric. I think your in-laws will be okay (I assume this is what is all about? ie Amara in-laws?:)

            Civil War talk is premature. If this country were to descend into Civil War, it would have done so by now.

            But I have to say that I find it heart warming that there is a gentler soul beneath that corrosive personality:)

          • Consolation

            Legacy,

            Mindless regurgitation of soundbites is not smart. Samuel johnson was probably pissed off because American patriots kicked the Brits out of the USA. A true patriot supports his country all the time. So it is Mark Twain’s words t hat are eternally true. What scoundrels like the scumbag Weyane do is another thing.

          • leGacY

            Hi Consolation,
            MT good. SJ bad. WYN scumbag.
            Copy that.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Hi leGacY,

            The answer for your question: he is super-sensitive to anything related with Islam.

            Al-Arabi

  • Nitricc

    Where is Ethiopia going? What happened to the “Medemer” with forgiveness and love? Jawar Mohamed declared that there are two governments in Ethiopia. One led by PMAA and the other being Qerro; which is clearly undermining the federal government! Now the OLF leader is refusing to lay arms and declaring that there are two armies in Ethiopia. If that is not concerning enough; the Abiy administration is arresting the Amaran youth in thousands for no reason or explanation. PMAA has released many criminals with pardon yet, he is arresting innocent young Amara? Something bad is brewing in that country. I feel bad for Ethiopians; yesterday you fought to get rid of Tigray supremacy only to replace it Oromo dominancy. I am starting to think Eritrea’s peace deal might be the right thing to do but at the wrong time. The war for Addis Ababa is on between the Oromo and Addis Ababawyan! The war for Tsegede is brewing between the Tigryan and the Amara! The war is already on in Benshangul between Amara and Oromo. My question is what is happening in Ethiopia? Where is Kaddis when you need him?

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Nitricc.
      Relax now. PFDJ and Ethiopia are in peace. Dont focus on your wish. The Tplf-Ethiopia you used to fight has changed. At least it is not the time you post happily Ethiopian universities blazing in fire.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Mitiku; you don’t have University. because you stuck few stones, it don’t mean it is a university. But you are too toothless to understand that.

    • Amanuel

      Hi Nitricc
      This is an Ethiopian issued and I believe they are capable of sorting it out. Please don’t pretend to be more catholic than the Pope.

      If you are true Eritrean as you pretend to be, ask why the young are abandoning it, jeopardising its future and who should be responsible for it?

      • Nitricc

        Hi Amanuel you ask “ask why the young are abandoning it, jeopardising its future and who should be responsible for it?”
        Well, I have answered this long time ago. When it comes to responsibility,
        here in the US, You are responsible for your own actions but it must be other
        way, the African way, you are NOT responsible for your own actions but the government is!!!! Please have a little shame even asking that question. I told you before; The youth that are going to the west, they need their piece. You and your likes told them Europe is heaven, so they checking out what heaven looks like. The youth that are going to Ethiopia, hey there is free 10 kilo wheat and can of cooking oil, them too need their piece. Any question? What a toothless.

        • Amanuel

          Hi Nitricc
          First cool down. Have I touched any nerves?
          Second you owe me a promise to serve military service in Eritrea. Please fulfill it.
          Third thanks for admitting people are leaving Eritrea because your King IA is incapable of providing for them.

    • Kaddis

      Hi Nitric
      Laughed at your mention. I don’t think I can add more than the constant feeds you get from social media and be persuasive.
      I never had a problem Tplf taking the lead cause they had a plan and brought their best. We would have been dealing with the then OLF, Shabia, clueless Qinijit, Al shabaab etc all these years. We owe them for moulding the now maturing parties.
      All the unconstitutional oppositions came back frustrated. So I don’t think they will be strong enough to challenge the power consolidating Oromo elite using OPDO’s gov resources.
      It’s unfortunate the power consolidating is deadly and displacing millions as T.Kfle said.
      Power consolidating is expected and the Oromo elite is bringing it’s best to the front and willing to contribute.
      We will see how the consolidated power is used and how it reflects on the pre and post election process.

      • Nitricc

        Thanks Kaddis: To be honest, I am just confused. However; when you push, expect to be pushed. so, it shouldn’t be all about pushing to the Oromo. it should have been about compromising and making the country better. It is amazing when PMAA said the government was the terrorist by arresting people for no reason. Give few weeks, he is doing the same thing. What a BS! Thanks man.

  • Campo Cicero

    Dear Awatistas:

    I just want to say those of you who blame the Government of Eritrea for starting the war, please read below a chronicle of the events leading up to the war. This is recorded history. One thing Eritreans do NOT do is FORGET THEIR HISTORY. The thing about it is that everything that has to do with Eritrea’s history is recorded for posterity. Please read below. You may learn something. This is recorded history.

    EVENTS LEADING UP TO THE WAR:

    April 20-21, 1997: A meeting to discuss border issues that had surfaced in the course of the previous year was held in Shire, Tigray, Ethiopia between the Vice President of the Tigray Region of Ethiopia, and the Deputy Governor of the Gash-Barka Region of Eritrea.

    June 22-27, 1997: A sub-committee designated in accordance with the Shire decisions met to make a tour of the “demarcations,” a length it determined at about 40 kms. It was established then that at least three demarcations, each creeping into Eritrea had been laid on the ground.

    June 1997: Tigrayan authorities ordered that no Eritrean farmer was to plough fields or build houses or sheds beyond the “unilaterally demarcated” line and that the inhabitants of Eritrean villages were to be evacuated.

    July 18-19, 1997: Three truckloads of Ethiopian troops entered the Badme area and planted radio communications equipment. Eritrean territory inside the “unilaterally demarcated” area was, thus, put under patrol. Subsequently, massive expulsion of Eritreans begun.

    July 19, 1997: Two battalions of the Ethiopian Army came to Adi Murug and their commander met with representatives of the Eritrean Army in the area. The Ethiopians explained that they were there to chase armed Ethiopian opposition groups that they believed to be in the Badda area, and requested entry. The battalions were let in on this understanding.

    July 24, 1997: Ethiopian administrators instructed the Eritrean administrators to disband – they were taking over. They declared Adi Murug Ethiopian territory and appointed their own administrative committee.

    August 8, 1997: Two Eritrean officials traveled to Addis Ababa to discuss Adi Murug and Badme with their counterparts in Ethiopia.

    August 16, 1997: Less than a month after the Adi Murug and Badme incidents of July 19, President Isaias Afewerki of Eritrea wrote a letter to his counterpart Prime Minister Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia formally protesting Ethiopia’s actions. He called on the Prime Minister to take all necessary measures to put a stop to Ethiopia’s border incursions.

    August 25, 1997: President Isaias Afewerki wrote another letter to Prime Minister Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia. This time suggesting that a joint border commission be set-up – the Eritrean side to be led by General Sebhat Efrem, Minister of Defense. The first meeting for this commission was scheduled for November 1997.

    October 17, 1997: Weyin, the official organ of the TPLF, printed a new map of Tigray Region, which for the first time in almost a hundred years, altered Eritrea’s colonial borders with Ethiopia. The Ethiopian Mapping authority also officially printed this “illegal” map of the Tigray Region. Here, the straight line linking the Setit (Tekezze) River to the Mereb River at its confluence with the Mai Anbessa had disappeared and was replaced by an oblique line entering deep into Eritrean territory.

    November 1997: A joint High Commission on Demarcation met in Asmara and agreed to meet again within three months. There was no discussion on substantive matters.

    January 1998: Ethiopia tried by military means to occupy sovereign Eritrean territory on the Bure area (Assab-Dessie road). Unfortunately, Eritrean efforts to solve the problem amicably and bilaterally failed as the Government of Ethiopia continued to bring under its occupation the Eritrean territories that it had incorporated into its map.

  • Blink

    Dear Ayneta
    While I am searching for the claims you are loudly making , after 30 years Eritrea do crushed your baby weyane dream, I can imagine why you ask and to what intent .your intent can be different but your character as human being is a coward as hell and ሙሽሙሽ , I can bet my house that you can not even put your trouser up to its place , you are just angry weyane got beaten . How come a psychologist put Eritreans in one basket in 1990s while looking at their product of collective struggle . Patriots are these who stand up to weyane invasion and to PFDJ as we speak and many people undermined Eritreans and yet got beaten up by sheer determination of Eritreans .

    Who are not patriots? These unionsists , these who sided with hailesilassie, Dergi and now with weyane . You are just angry of Your lose to the Ethiopian people and that has nothing to do with Eritreans in general. መንገዲ ከረን trick is gone .

  • haileTG

    Hi Ayneta,

    It depends. Patriotism is thought of a type of nationalism. The principal object of which is nation. Hence, it is said to be a love of one’s nation. This of course can take many forms, ideologies, belief systems, cultural attributes and the likes. Such tendencies come in competing and sometimes conflicting qualities: multi ethnic, multi religious, political outlooks and so forth. Opposing camps relegate the other as unpatriotic, albeit in a narrow self serving paradigm. So, the easier question would be that what proportion of Eritreans are of the opinion that Eritrea as a nation is something they don’t agree with and wish to see it go? I would say very small. In other words, overwhelming proportion of the population is patriotic, but could make better choices that would serve its interests effectively.

  • haileTG

    Selam David,

    We need to have room for the inherent misjudgement of the other in conflict situation.

    1- Did the woyane used the Ethio-Eritrea conflict to justify their grip on power for the following 17 years or PFDJ did? Actually, Eritrea was off Ethiopian radar for most part of the decades after the war. This was not and still is no the case for PFDJ. They have no other topic.

    2- Woyane were not facing threat to their power inside Ethiopia at the time. If they did a war with Eritrea would not make it to any agenda of survival. They would choose the opposite.

    The basic fact is that IA was bursting with arrogance at the time and they could not put up with that. They went for the kill and gave him what he asked for. Sadly, the killed Eritrea in the process. They should have done it wisely and differently. The idiotic dictator and his supporters were cut to size where they would never grow back up again.

    • David Samson

      Selam haileTG,

      I probably did not explain myself well.

      IA had always wanted war. Being a bully as he was, he thought TPLF was easily folded in to his whims. Ethiopia, particularly Meles had no plan going to war; his focus was fighting poverty. IA’s cheap game– I was in KSA when the war broke. Up to that point, a full-scale war could have been avoided if it were not for IA’s arrogance. Meles had genuinely wanted to resolve the conflict peacefully.

      However, once the war had turned in to full-scale, the dynamics and direction of politics significantly changed. IA neither had a strategy nor had a plan on how to end the war. He was sitting inside a cage for an outside person to rescue him. Meanwhile, TPLF clique became more belligerent than IA. Political rhetoric, such as ‘we return Assab and march in to Asmara’ had added fuels to the fire. TPLF, under the pretext of national security deported their perceived competitors in business. Before the war, Eritreans were one of the most successful business in Ethiopia. They are now either lost their livelihood, or accept they are under the watch of Tigrians.

      TPLF had no plan to accept the Rwanda’s peace proposal but played cleverly knowing the fact that IA was in a cage. ‘We want to teach them a lesson’. Moreover, TPLF was sending a conflicting and mixed signal: while Meles was against the war, he was overruled by the hardliners. I believe this double talk was well practised by many Tigrians and many naïve Eritreans believed the line of thinking.

      So, IA wanted a war and TPLF responded in-kind, but TPLF knew the rules of the game and played it well to his advantage.

      • haileTG

        Selamat David,

        Yes, I see your point now. Your final paragraph says it all and the proof is in the pudding! Just out of curiousity, however, had the G15 managed to have put their intent to action, would you say the outcome would have been much different?

        • David Samson

          Selam haileTG,

          Very much so!
          IA had committed treason:

          He dismantled the country’s intelligence thereby rendering it vulnerable to foreign attack.
          He did not setup a war cabinet– one expect if a nation goes to war.
          He did not employ the country’s best assets and resources.
          He side-lined EPLF’s best military commanders.

          I will never, never forget Beraki’s plea to IA to accept the peace proposal.
          I have no doubt in mind, had Eritrea used its best military commanders, it would have fared well in the war.

          We were tired of war, and we should be the last country wanting to go to war. IA had plenty of occasions to avoid the war. Kofin Annan made the point after he had visited Eritrea.
          Hence, this flop should be hanged in Edagahumus for committing treason.

      • Nitricc

        “IA had always wanted war. Being a bully as he was, he thought TPLF was easily folded in to his whims. Ethiopia, particularly Meles had no plan going to war; his focus was fighting poverty.”
        Hi all, The TPLF thugs has no shame what so ever. The deported Eritreans are the prove to the evil intention of TPLF. If the war was ignited because of Badime, then Badime is Eritrean; who started the war? If the war was about Badime, why open Bure-front? why Open Tserona front? People it is your right to be stupid TPLF thugs but please have some respect to your readers.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dave,

        I agree with most of your comment. I would like to stress and emphasize one of your central argument. And that is: “While Meles was against the war, he was overruled by the hardliners”. Very true. To substantiate this fact, he registered his vote against the war in the parliamentary voting regular order. Second, Issayas had vocally said, that they are inside them and will not fail to demolish the house they built, right after the war was ignited. I believe such irresponsible remark exposed to the innocent Eritreans to be deported indiscriminately without due process wether they are involved in the conspiracy of Issayas or not. Issayas was the cause of the war and of the deportation.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Aman-H who said ” the color of your eyes” I don’t get it? how low can you to defend the dead midget? come-on!

        • Desbele

          Selam Amanuel,

          And as if history is not a lesson, DIA’s zombie followers are day and night cursing Tigrayan brothers who currently hosted 150k Eritreans in their state. Am grateful for Aboy Desta and Mama Aregash who hosted my sisters and brothers who escaped slavery. Indeed, escaped slavery while being fired live bullets from behind from coward men in Eritrea!

        • David Samson

          Selam Emma,

          Unfortunately, history has not been kind to politicians. I always find E Powel’s expression: “All politician career ends up in failure”, very relevant. There is no doubt that, as a politician, Meles was a towering figure in Ethiopia, but will always be remembered for things he did wrongly or failed to achieve. No amount of colouring will erase from his records– the deportation of innocent people.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dave,

            Only “brave men” apologize for their mistakes, and Meles did apologize for his mistake. For sure history is a “wholesome” and will be remembered both in his failure and his achievements. Meles did also good things. He helped (a) for young Eritreans to enroll in their universities and colleges (b) as a continuation of his apology he allows Eritreans to regain their property (c) He welcomed the Eritrean refugees. Just for the record.

          • Blink

            Deat Mr.Amanuel
            When are you going to lose on your sails to make Meles as a good man ? Meles intolled only few people infact they were just 0,000001 of the people you are painting. He roped 90,000 Eritreans and he deported them through land mines and he never apologized for the crime he did . I don’t know where to put you because on the one hand you fought against Hailesilassie but didn’t finish the journey and on the other hand you have been rooting for the expansionists of weyane . What kind of principle is that ? The characteristics that you showed for the last decade is not even fit to be delusional but a loser who can not help himself. Meles fought as a coward from 1975- his death and he is remembered as evil man by 90 million people plus most Eritreans. I know everyone has been a monster to someone but I can not fantom that you are being a kind of that kind to Eritreans by advocating for Meles saints in your mind. Meles is a genocider ring leader .

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሓው ብልንክ,

            ካን ከምኡ ኮይንካ ተሪፍካ?ንኹሉ ብሓሳብ ዝፍለ ካባኻ “ሓሳዊ” ኮይኑ መጸዊዕኡ:: እቲ አእምሮኻ ብጽልኢ ስለዝተሸፊነ ዝበልና እንተበልና ልኡም ናይ ሓሳብ ምልውዋጥ ንምግባር ብጣዕሚ አሻጋሪ ከምዝኾነ ትስሕቶ አይመስለንን:: ወረ እንታይ እንተተገብረ ይሓይሽ ምሳኻ? ቁሩብ እንዶ ሕግዘና::

  • said

    Greeting,
    The failed states of Horn of Africa countries, Eritrea , Ethiopian, Sudan, Somalia and Djibouti (EESSD)
    The four countries on Africa’s east coast. Internationally Most people of the world don’t know anything about the (EESSD)place, other than that it’s infamous for war and poverty.
    But that’s not the only thing that makes it “(EESSD) especial
    For most (EESSD) countries run by an army men. Is this a not good thing to start with. I will comment mainly about Ethiopians and Somalia. Leaving aside historical enmity.

    While the eras of Kingdom empire and Dergu communist dominance a military dictatorship are over for ever , The surge of discontent and huge peaceful one that held the promise of freedom and prosperity and the uprisings caught EPRDF governments, and diplomats by surprise. The mass demonstrations shook the regime, were met with brutal repression. Sadly and unfortunately Ethiopian a mass movement lacks well thought of highly sufficient top down organization . They will have to build political organizations that can speak for all Ethiopian and encompassing poor masses irrespective of region and ethnic and faith afflation , Ethiopian need to find its way out of the iron grip of its current EPRDF governments, and military apparatus . Today there is excitement, the enthusiasm, and the hope and the aspirations and euphoria may not last long .But Ethiopia remains effectively a one-party state ruled by newly poplar’s a leader with largely unchecked powers. The same old EPRDF politicos corruption, much of it officially facilitated and approve for Friends, family, and business and political allies are rewarded for loyalty. Ethiopia desperate for change. At stake is the future of horn Africa of largest economy, recently which is struggling out of its worst history What is affecting the population these days is hope and fear and this fear has a base in reality, principally in the level of insecurity and an controlled violence, even now the EPRDF is unrepentant about its economic mismanagement during its 28 years in power that ended in April 2018 and its involvement in corruption is muted. Ethiopian are betting on a real change. like the flowers, the hopes may fade quickly, and wilted, and were thrown in the dust. Ethiopia needs a well-thought-out package of reforms . Questions are now being asked about whether Abiy government will continue on its path of the same tried old system or as indicted to liberalisation or reverse course when the going gets tough and the economy is stalled despite its past decade blazing growth with browed money from China . The period of strong growth combined with calm domestic and external environments is what is over. Ethiopia with current account deficits and high levels of foreign currency debt. Ethiopia face tough domestic economic and political circumstances. They don’t want someone who speaks politically correctly of love and compassion and just pretends to care but not deliver the goods and not reform the economy. Ethiopia faces a bigger current account deficit and stoked concerns about rising inflation but inflation remains moderate and larger budget deficits, and further currency depreciation. the prospects of essential but EPRDF politically difficult reforms are receding amid growing fears that the PMAA government might engage in populist measures that expand the budget deficit .Ethiopia commitment to maintain fiscal discipline is a good start.. But Ethiopia s trajectory to an even more dangerous threat scenario is a left -wing reaction by the country’s traditional, corrupt elite against the EPRDF s were infected with corruption, even with positive economic reforms that did not benefited the vast majority of Ethiopia . there were no programs for the poor, and did raised the salary nor minimum wage, but increased public investment with debt. This EPRDF zealotry has brought forth recently across Ethiopia more virulent ethnic fanaticism along with the politics of fear and hate Is there no way out of this perilous spiral?. Yes freedom, prosperity and hope are nothing less than Ethiopia ’s people deserve.

    Nothing new—in the region of (EESSD) no good news comes out ,one need to know out of box and to know what the external Establishment is thinking about the region is very important . Europeans or Americans come in and train an army or sell arms, the poor (EESSD). Which have huge army which is an idiotic idea. Maybe even goofier than keeping the 30,000 “peacekeepers” from a half-dozen African countries there in south Sudan and inside Somalia. You can be sure the current “peacekeepers” mainly shake down local merchants,. A good part of the African armies are all, armed mobs wearing uniforms.
    The purpose of an army is to protect the people of one country from other governments outside its borders. However nobody’s looking to conquer or attack any off (EESSD)—there would be zero profit in it. Like Somalia. Although it’s probably the most homogeneous state on the continent of Africa , since early 1990th miserably and measurably it’s a total failed state. Most of EESSD ,they produces nothing important —just subsistence agriculture, add to this Somalia no real safe security all kind tribal bandits. Sadly since late 1990th Eritrea Its only export is hundreds of thousands of young men seeking refuge migrants, mainly to western counters like Italy ,Germany Scandinavia. and some US, the UK, Canada, and Australia ,some minority bring their bad cultural habits with them.
    It’s bad good thing that EESSD massive army. Armies in EESSD countries don’t defend the people from other armies. They exist solely to oppress ,suppress and subjugate their people, keep the EESSD an elected ruling cliques and cohort ,minions ,tribal clans in power, from one general to the next and they act as a lever for the next coup d’état.
    The last thing that EESSD needs army men . The last thing any of EESSD African countries need to be ruled by an army regime.
    Like South Sudan and Somalia land and proper Sudan ,Eritrea ,Ethiopian and Somalia are being torn apart by militia and warlords. EESSD army presence do not bring peace and stability and safety to the people in case Eritreans ad Ethiopians?
    We have seeing Eritreans and Ethiopians both country their army wouldn’t bring stability nor property . Eritreans PFDJ and Ethiopians EPRDF they would make these problems much worse. The numerous EPLF and TPLF would try to capture the loyalty of army units, while they were in open warfare against each others. The EESSD army would also be a source of arms to various political gangs; soldiers would sell their weapons to the highest bidder. And since the Ethiopians army could only be supported by American and foreign aid, it would act as another huge epicenter of massive corruption.
    The country South Sudan and part of Somalia are pretty much ruled by warlords and ethnic Adding EESSD an army to the mix is just asking for trouble on a larger scale. Whoever controlled that army would just become the next dictator—assuming he was competent enough to wipe out competing armed groups.
    As strange as it might seem, the country is probably better off with lots of warlords and gangsters. They have their own territories, where they act as governments. They tend to limit warfare because it’s expensive and dangerous, and there’s not much to steal from the gangster next door. Upsetting the status quo is a formula for a bloodbath. The place has essentially been in chaos since independence in Sudan 1958 Somalis 1960, Eritrea 1991 most of first EESSD in 1970th 80th as a pawn between the US and the USSR, then in a constant civil war since Sudan 60th to late 90th Somalis 1990. It’s said something like hundreds of thousands in EESSD were killed in fighting.
    Now the fighting is mostly between the African “peacekeepers,” paid by the US and Europeans, But they’re probably better described as religious fanatics who want control of the government. As in most primitive countries, Somalia especially those who follow the sunnie branch of suffy Islam and follow path of Prophet (P.B.U.H.), Somalia people take their religion very seriously and should be left alone to chose their own government .
    What Ethiopians and EESSD needs is rule of law and a proper police force. Which is true of just about every country in Ethiopians Africa. But south and part of Somalia won’t likely get that unless the culture changes. That’s extremely hard to do.. That’s understandable, since Somalia is largely illiterate and 100% Muslim.
    EESSD must establish rule of law? EESSD are all strategically important enough?
    When a country becomes “strategically important” it’s usually just a tipoff that the place is about to be invaded, or the government overthrown. There’s absolutely nothing strategic in places like this, unless you want to foment a war.
    EESSD, at this moment has absolutely nothing to offer the world . Sure, they EESSD have mineral resources. But they’re worth nothing without huge capital investment, and expertise to run the business. You can’t “invest” in a place like this; you can only speculate, or trade, or hit and run.
    So what should be done? Well, to start with, we shouldn’t give them any foreign aid, which is almost all either wasted or stolen. It simply inculcates corruption and bad habits. Particularly military aid. Aid only cements these people to the bottom of the barrel, and makes things worse.
    Instead, we should leave these countries alone. They should be allowed to retribalize and sort out their own problems. It’s absolutely counterproductive for foreigners to impose solutions—especially when you’re dealing with a totally alien culture.
    The problems of EESSD of horn Africa can’t be solved by training local armies—which is what the US is now trying to do all over the continent. All African countries are completely artificial constructs. They’re made up of tribes and clans. Different religions, customs, and languages. And none of these tribes like each other. They’re historical enemies.
    Somalia is a nightmare—and it’s actually got fewer problems than most. At least Somalis are all the same religion, language, and ethnicity.
    Setting up a central government and an army won’t improve things. That’s just making a big disaster out of a bunch of little ones. You’re just giving them something powerful to fight over. The numerous groups will simply fight to gain control of the government, and one will lord it over all the others.
    EESSD will sort itself out?
    EESSD one way or another differ stage like south Sudan, Eritrea Somalia is a classic failed state. It may take many, many decades to stabilize. Maybe the hundreds of thousands of expat EESSD mainly Eritreans and Somalis have great potential and great national resources , Somalis they will go back home, and bring enough education, capital, and values with them to make a difference. Maybe…

    Even if it took years, anything is better than having the United Nations come in, which is the alternative. EESSD ,some Somaliland is doing relatively well. Although it’s unrecognized by any other country, or the UN, Somaliland is proof that these places can self-organize, if they’re allowed to.
    Countries like south Sudan and to some extent Somalia should be left alone to sort themselves out. EESSD They produce nothing. But they don’t have to, because of foreign aid, and expat remissions is not enough . the entire region is still under developed and The bad news is that they’re unlikely to harm anybody else because they’re still stuck in the technological back word Stone Age.
    If these EESSD countries are left alone and peace prevail , eventually foreign entrepreneurs and capitalists will come in, build productive enterprises, and change the culture to the extent that people can start producing something on their own.
    EESSD that they could become a legitimate prosperous countries and rich instead of someone who just loots the government. They could become someone who’s loved by the people instead of absolutely hated by everybody not in his only immediate circle in case ethnic polices . practice law and order ,rule of law , And they could become respected by people outside the country.
    Government have in our region role to play in the economic development . They could be all these things if they privatized the government. Specifically, I suggest that they take 50% of the government’s assets—everything from mining and national resources and all kind services like the post office to the seaport and national airline to all the State land—and put them in a publicly traded corporation. They would then divide up most of the shares to every man, woman, and child in the country. The people would become shareholders in the government and its assets and only held by elite connected few .
    In short, you’d turn the government into a corporation that paid shareholders dividends instead of merely taking and taxing the poor people.
    Of course, that’s the short simple answer to much more complex issue —there’s much more to the plan. This probably deserves its own many fiscal study and many book—we had enough of all kind government, time try liberal and controlled middle of capitalist system But the basic idea is to turn the government on its head choosing by people for the people —to allow everyday people to own a tangible piece of the government instead of being owned by non elected government, which is how it works in advance world today.

  • Blink

    Dear Awate readers
    Debrestion the grand son of Sibhat Nega is going to visit to Eritrea next week as per EP. It seems the people to people discussing the border issue is off the TPLF table .

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Blink,

      Anta Blink, Semam Hade derfu konka. Kuku ShiTaraTaT nay HGDEF dwaEwaE eilu. Badime aykoney Eritrea kula ab THti quSESrom Koyna.

      Kem dlyetom yiAtwu yiweSu, ysheTu ylwuTu. AdKas kabzi Halifa entayDo tgebrelka eya.

      What happened to Game Over. Let me guess, the ERITREAN people will accept him with gaylan dankeran.

      Berhe

      • Paulos

        በርሀ,

        ናይ’ዞም ሰባት እዚኣቶም ዘረባ የብሉን!

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Paulo,

          To tell you honestly this is really good progress. EnkaE eti zjemerwo dem gedifomula aykedu. I am glad that the bad blood they started are not leaving it behind when they will finally gone.

          Berhe

          • Blink

            Dear Berhe
            War get fought one wins and still problems pop up . Save is scarce and in demand. Just wanted to inform you that the Sold group are doomed from the beginning. Wait for the main course because what you have seen until now is simply the tip of the iceberg. Don’t clap with this ጡስጡስ ናይ መቐለ መጣቅዒ.
            The game has changed and this ሎክመፕኛ is not fit to say a word except make outlandish claims about TPLF .

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink,

            The thing, TPLF have to be stupid to think that they can run till eternity when they allowed themselves to run elections and democratic process albeit how flowed it was. It was just a matter of time, because with each passing year, their life span as governing party comes to an end. It’s with human nature that people need change.

            So the key question in TPLF mind was (you can read it in Fanti, Admassie, Ghirmay and others) that what will happen to TPLF and the people of Tigray when that change happens.

            Are they going to be history like others before them (HS, Derg) or they will manage to live in relative peace.

            So looking from that angle, they have defiantly come out in peace and they will just manage fine, the majority. Those who feel at loss are probably the very few who were at power.

            What’s even bonus is they made peace with Eritrea, so if you look from all sides they are ok.

            Here is what you need to ponder.

            When IA leaves either by man or by God, PFDJ will die with him. And those all leKabiT will run away with him. In other words, PFDJ will be buried like DERG. And then we will say GAME OVER for PFDJ 100%.

            These is what you people do not get.

            Debretsion played his cards well and he has come out a winner.

            Berhe

          • Blink

            Dear Berhe
            The legacy of TPLF is all what you can see and hear from the majority of Ethiopians , you don’t need to be consumed by little people in this forum ,even the last out of Dergi days Addis was not like this .

            I don’t believe there can be any legacy for PFDJ too but Eritrea and Eritreans will be there without the dream of weyane making it Somalia . The reality will be open for everyone to see , if you are lucky enough, you will find some ordinary Eritreans who held their own wish and needs for the past 21 years while not giving attention to a group of casino guards. As I mentioned before, hold your breath , around this time before 2 years I warned the weyane thugs to wait and and now I willing telling you to hold on your breath because earth shaking thing is just around the corner. Stay away from the mengedi keren guys.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Blink,

            Two more years you say…, nothing as long as Isayas is there … he needs to go first

            Berhe

          • haileTG

            Aha Berhe, good observation…

            A stitch in time saves nine is the old wisdom that goes with what you said there. Some kind of blessing in disguise I would say. There is no better blessing than when God not only answers your prayer but also makes your enemy do the job of delivering his answer! The wars and enmity that IA created for our people are not only removed but he himself is used by Him to do it. Sweet:)

      • Alex

        Hi Berhe,
        Forget that Eritrean people will not accept debrestion with guyla I can assure you that. Plus, I don’t think what is announced by EP is believable. Talk to me in a week.

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Alex,

          Let’s wait and see.

          Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Berhe Y,

            I think time for Gwayla is over. Maybe not for the same reason as Alex’s but I don’t think there will be any “መጺእኻለይዶ” for Debretsion either. They already had their heartfelt dances in Zalanbesa and it would look weird if they make his arrival a big deal.

        • Amanuel

          Hi Alex
          Any thing is possible. We have seen black swans swimming across the pond lately.

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Alex, the Eritrean people will do what they are told to do under the mafia regime of DIA.

    • Girmay

      Hello Blink there you go Blink or zergito, you are trying to come up with all kind of propaganda to prevent Tigringa brotherhood.
      First you attacked Tplf lets us accept that. Then you say all of Eritreas problem come from Tigray. Look blink you are tring hard to spoil the peace between Tigringa people but it will not work.
      You see to a an Eritrean Tigringa, weather they are shaebia, opposition members, an Ethiopian Tigrean is their museum. To an Ethiopian Tigrean an Eritrean Tigringa is a walking museum for them.
      As a Tigrean when I see an Eritrean walk by me, I see in him and in her my language , my culture, and my complexion. Even if he is from a different country an Eritrean is my museum and I am a museum for an Eritrean.
      For these reasons, a museum that nurures portrays and nurtures your language is very important.
      Therefore, Tigreans and Eritreans understand we are each others museum. We should protect and nurture each other.
      An Ethiopian Tigrean should be considered ignorant if he and she dont respect and protect their museum. I think it will be same for Eritreans. We Tigreans are Eritrean museum.
      Therefore, Tigray in these times must be smart enough to make sure, her museum do not immigrat to other land.
      A Tigray that doest shelter, protect, Eritreans is a Tigray that will loose a big portion of its heritage.
      Therefore, the biggest Tigray gedley of Today is to ensure that Eritreans who are in Tigray, to stay in Tigray or return to Eritrea.
      Blink, your dream of Tigringas hating each other will not work. Blink work for humanity and peace.
      Tigreans are experienciend sufferers, and they understand suffering. We sympathize with our Eritrean brothers and sisters. For these reasons we are excited about the peace that has prevailed in our region.
      You see there was no winner during the Badime war. Anybody weather from Ethiopia or Eritrea who brags about victory is ignorant.
      For me the peace that has prevailed on the border is the victory I celebrate.
      Blink, work for peace. Stop undermining our intelligence , we know your intentions. You are collecting seeds for your farm of hate.
      For Tigreans, a sheabian is our brother and sister. Eritreans opposing Sheabia are our brothers and sisters. It will not be productive to meddle in your politics.
      For me there is one consistent political party I stand for, and that is please keep Eritreans in Tigray and Eritrea. No to mass immigration to the west.
      Also help Blink , to Blink his brain. Its seems his brain froze and stop blinking.
      I feel sorry for him because living with hate is worst than living with Aids. If you have aids you enjoy the time you might live longer. However, if you live with hate, you live your life hating, which is a big burden . Blink cure yourself of hate, and you will breath freely.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hello Girmay,
        First a disclaimer. I do not subscribe to Blinks view regarding Tigrai which he veils under the guise of TPLF. It’s futile and unbecoming of him because his assasults borders on racism.

        As for your views,

        1. I agree that you see the “Tigrinya” people of Eritrea as your museum and there are some who reciprocate. It’s good. However, what is the border of your compassion–is it limited to the Tigrinya speakers or it goes beyond it to other Eritreans who do not speak the language or do not sare your definition of “Tigrinya culture”? Do ou aspire to engulf all humanity in your compassion and love?

        2. A museum stores and displays everything available as the old movie title: The Good, the Bad, and the ugly. What are the ugly arts in that museum since you only mention the good aspects of it? Can you come to terms with the ugly parts? If you do, your problems with Eritreans and among yourselves will be solved in no time. Everything less than that is a futile illusion.

      • Blink

        Dear Girmay
        I just read your reply to me , you have mentioned Blink 11 times and I wonder why ? SG has been accusing me of such racism towards you guys , I love the Tigray Ordinary people but not their leaders. I love Eritrean Tigrinya to death but not the unionists and especially the Meles guys . Remember Eritrea is home to many people outside Tigrinya who has nothing to do with you .

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Blink.
      Debretsion visiting PIA is a jock. But if this is possible by some miracle what Debretsion brings is the same offer what tplf gave to PIA. The difference this time Debretsion is deseprate hoe to give life for the looted based woyane economy. How could the economy continues? People leave tplf if the looting from south stops abruptly. This is what Debreshiber says to PIA ” Look what we got after you walked away. We told you we could sucked more blood and sweat from Ethiopia using your ports. Look what we achieved using Djibouti common Isu”. But with one condition only Tigrinya ethic group is allowed in the club.

  • said

    Greetings
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    Looking forward Eritreans Should Set Their Own New Pragmatic Paradigm Humble proposal
    The Above caption that could seem to some maximalists as an extreme departure from the long-held aspirations of the Eritreans Cause, is warranted by pragmatism and practicality as the Eritreans are spinning their wheels with an old archaic Paradigm and near-dogma slogans defied by despondent realities, a dismal status quo and near total absence of a shared Unifying Universally Acceptable Ideology.

    Eritreans, despite the apparent insurmountable huge existential challenges they are facing and dealing with an extremely oppressive power PFDJ the Eritreans on their own, IA in foolish agenda ,Eritrea decoupled from their friendly countries from European countries ,like Italy neighbouring countries like Ethiopia, Sudan ,Qatar, even to some degree GCC Arab world ensconced in the way present IA, in his absolute one man states narrow agendas that is fast receding to oblivion, irrelevance as bogged down in stifling cultural inertia; the Eritreans need to start Capitalizing on their still significant Endowments; thinking Outside the Box; espousing Universal outlook devoid of Dogma and unrealizable maximalist objectives.

    To begin with, and judging on the Eritreans status quo, disheartening and discouraging as it currently is; yet the Eritreans are endowed with still exceptional tools to play as the Eritreans as a demographically critical mass of people cannot easily or simply be dismissed. The Eritreans Diaspora by their virtual demographic presence are still a very hard card to play, come what may, the PFDJ dogmatic blind hardcore leftist or a totally biased Ethiopia PMAA Administration pushing a one-sided unworkable so-called ‘Peace Deal solution to a 18 year old boarder conflict. But in realty boarder issue is only a pretext .

    Eritreans have among the strong cards in their hands acting in their favor along with the commitment and support of the progressive forces of the world, a number of strong attributes that the Eritreans s can still capitalize on, including:

    • Possessors of A Just Cause for rule of law and for democracy that by now enjoys increasing Universal awareness, world-wide sympathies and even outright recognition by important and influential world populations, institutions and International Quarters.

    • Intelligent, highly educated, enterprising and relatively Well-exposed people are Eritreans, very ambitious and generally very industrious people who have proven their mettle at different juncture in their long bid for justice for Eritrea . Eritreans as a highly educated people are generally capable of relating and connecting with the wider world.

    • Diaspora Eritrean Demographics: Eritreans are increasingly out outperforming in different parts of the world, foremost the Western world, are hard to simply pluck-out physically demographically short of the conspiracies and complicities of certain few Eritreans regime supporters and certain Eritreans polity.

    • Eritreans are deeply implanted inside Historic Eritreans constituting more 100% Population and the greatest minority in the neighbouring ethnic affiliation .
    A great many of the current Eritreans politicians are realizing this fact objecting to the continuation of IA politics and oppression on the grounds that the current status quo would only lead otherwise to unknown and scary senior , bilateral or otherwise by virtue of the huge number of Eritreans people inside and outside opposing the regime .

    • Recognizable Entrepreneurial Economic and Financial Achievements at the regional and the global levels even to small degree in diaspora . Many among the Eritreans are proven contributors to State Building in the KSA and many region who developed tremendous business sophistication and acumen. Many in USA and UK ,Australia and north Europe of the new generation of Eritreans entrepreneurs are printing their mark at the enterprising Global Business Level.

    • Possessing a wide web of Networking among the world leading business people; the intellectual and academic circles; increasingly leaving their mark on sympathetic politicians, progressive Western political movements and parties, Eritreans should include and star to lobby the powerful British Labor Party.
    • Long Intermesh, Interaction and Long-Dealing with the Ethiopia and caring Ethiopian progressive -open mind inside Ethiopia by virtue of a long coerced virtual human co-existence.

    In my humble view, the above are points of strength remain in the cards of the Eritreans to play; i.e., dealing with the Ethiopia for real and mutual interest without hegemony of imperial past ; and Eritreans internationally, dealing with the wider Universe of increasingly a progressing world.
    However, to fully capitalize on the above GIVENS, the Eritreans need to get their act well together, kind of fragmented as it is currently; this, with perusal of a New Paradigm, a long-term Strategy and a Universal Philosophy that are Not restricted by the narrow, increasingly archaic local and regional dogmas that are still mostly colored with the abidance with IA sistership and PFDJ militarism, violence and PFDJ militant solutions to the Eritreans legitimate list of many grievances.
    Yet there is growing doubt ,anxiety and uncertainty among Eritrean about the imbalanced peace deal demonstration of unorthodox political maneuvering by PMAA and he his region politics and threaten to take us down the wrong path in long term and that are not concrete and clearly not positive, even those it appear so from outside in spite of this momentum and This was simply unthinkable only a few short months ago. Abiy Ethiopia for some time if not for decades – have been undergoing major political disruption and will continue so it is not settled yet .The political instability for the future of Eritrea in particular that this peace deal that Eritrean have no say in it and out for the public site at the expense of Eritrea as country’s and peace is meant to favor Eritrea and is meant to benefit Ethiopia and Eritreans should not miss the bigger picture. Make no mistake .There is more at stake than mere peace, The sovereignty of Eritrea
    To move forward and Capitalize on their inherent endowments, there are a number of important steps that at large need to consider, adopt and potentially initiate, including – possibly among others.
    • The Adoption of a Unifying Universal Ideology in full congruence with Universal Values of the upholding of human rights, inclusiveness, abidance with democratic values and treatment of Religion as a private and respecting existed faith based justices matter to all Eritreans.

    • Seek the Edification a Unifying Secular Non-Sectarian Larger State – along faith based that could initially and not assume the form any of a Federation Eritrea . For all practical and realistic purposes, it could not be the form of a Federation inclusive of Ethiopia by virtue of langue ,cultural and ethnic similarities.

    • Open Bridges and intensify honest and only transparent Communication with the Anti- Ethiopia imperialist Liberals Camp as well as broaden the dialogue with the Liberals among the World outside Eritrea to develop a common platform to advance the cause of a just peace and economic progress .

    • Ethiopia must Completely abandon militant and military solutions, and all forms of violence to redress any issue of the plight and grievances of Eritrean or otherwise ins.

    • coordinate all forms of peaceful coexistence of Religious harmanes and brotherhood of compassionate Ideologies in the advancement of the Eritrea Cause.

    • Build a Unified Eritrean Front along the above Principles to cause any serious progress in the edification of the New Eritrea Paradigm.

    We Eritrean at large by consequence suffer from inherent cultural inertia that unreformed politics of modern era occupying a central place in the governing epistemology on the mind and the collective thinking of Eritrean represents a drag that can only be overstepped into a meaningful socio-cultural, socio-economic and socio-political jumpstart by an inclusive Paradigm entailing as core principle the edification of an inclusive Secular None-Sectarian Solution Eritrea. Eritrea and Region at large will continue to mire in backward and God forbid bloodbaths for yet more generations to come.

  • said

    Greetings
    Looking forward Eritreans Should Set Their Own New Pragmatic Paradigm . A Humble proposal
    The Above caption that could seem to some maximalists as an extreme departure from the long-held aspirations of the Eritreans Cause, is warranted by pragmatism and practicality as the Eritreans are spinning their wheels with an old archaic Paradigm and near-dogma slogans defied by despondent realities, a dismal status quo and near total absence of a shared Unifying Universally Acceptable Ideology.

    Eritreans, despite the apparent insurmountable huge existential challenges they are facing and dealing with an extremely oppressive power PFDJ the Eritreans on their own, IA in foolish agenda ,Eritrea decoupled from their friendly countries from European countries ,like Italy neighbouring countries like Ethiopia, Sudan ,Qatar, even to some degree GCC Arab world ensconced in the way present IA, in his absolute one man states narrow agendas that is fast receding to oblivion, irrelevance as bogged down in stifling cultural inertia; the Eritreans need to start Capitalizing on their still significant Endowments; thinking Outside the Box; espousing Universal outlook devoid of Dogma and unrealizable maximalist objectives.

    To begin with, and judging on the Eritreans status quo, disheartening and discouraging as it currently is; yet the Eritreans are endowed with still exceptional tools to play as the Eritreans as a demographically critical mass of people cannot easily or simply be dismissed. The Eritreans Diaspora by their virtual demographic presence are still a very hard card to play, come what may, the PFDJ dogmatic blind hardcore leftist or a totally biased Ethiopia PMAA Administration pushing a one-sided unworkable so-called ‘Peace Deal solution to a 18 year old boarder conflict. But in realty boarder issue is only a pretext .

    Eritreans have among the strong cards in their hands acting in their favor along with the commitment and support of the progressive forces of the world, a number of strong attributes that the Palestinians can still capitalize on, including:

    • Possessors of A Just Cause for rule of law and for democracy that by now enjoys increasing Universal awareness, world-wide sympathies and even outright recognition by important and influential world populations, institutions and International Quarters.

    • Intelligent, highly educated, enterprising and relatively Well-exposed people are Eritreans, very ambitious and generally very industrious people who have proven their mettle at different juncture in their long bid for justice for Eritrea . Eritreans as a highly educated people are generally capable of relating and connecting with the wider world.

    • Diaspora Eritrean Demographics: Eritreans are increasingly out outperforming in different parts of the world, foremost the Western world, are hard to simply pluck-out physically demographically short of the conspiracies and complicities of certain few Eritreans regime supporters and certain Eritreans polity.

    • Eritreans are deeply implanted inside Historic Eritreans constituting more 100% Population and the greatest minority in the neighboring ethnic affiliation .
    A great many of the current Eritreans politicians are realizing this fact objecting to the continuation of IA politics and oppression on the grounds that the current status quo would only lead otherwise to unknown and scary senior , bilateral or otherwise by virtue of the huge number of Eritreans people inside and outside opposing the regime .

    • Recognizable Entrepreneurial Economic and Financial Achievements at the regional and the global levels even to small degree in diaspora . Many among the Eritreans are proven contributors to State Building in the KSA and many region who developed tremendous business sophistication and acumen. Many in USA and UK ,Australia and north Europe of the new generation of Eritreans entrepreneurs are printing their mark at the enterprising Global Business Level.

    • Possessing a wide web of Networking among the world leading business people; the intellectual and academic circles; increasingly leaving their mark on sympathetic politicians, progressive Western political movements and parties, Eritreans should include and star to lobby the powerful British Labor Party.
    • Long Intermesh, Interaction and Long-Dealing with the Ethiopia and caring Ethiopian progressive -open mind inside Ethiopia by virtue of a long coerced virtual human co-existence.

    In my humble view, the above are points of strength remain in the cards of the Eritreans to play; i.e., dealing with the Ethiopia for real and mutual interest without hegemony of imperial past ; and Eritreans internationally, dealing with the wider Universe of increasingly a progressing world.
    However, to fully capitalize on the above GIVENS, the Eritreans need to get their act well together, kind of fragmented as it is currently; this, with perusal of a New Paradigm, a long-term Strategy and a Universal Philosophy that are Not restricted by the narrow, increasingly archaic local and regional dogmas that are still mostly colored with the abidance with IA sistership and PFDJ militarism, violence and PFDJ militant solutions to the Eritreans legitimate list of many grievances.
    Yet there is growing doubt ,anxiety and uncertainty among Eritrean about the imbalanced peace deal demonstration of unorthodox political maneuvering by PMAA and he his region politics and threaten to take us down the wrong path in long term and that are not concrete and clearly not positive, even those it appear so from outside in spite of this momentum and This was simply unthinkable only a few short months ago. Abiy Ethiopia for some time if not for decades – have been undergoing major political disruption and will continue so it is not settled yet .The political instability for the future of Eritrea in particular that this peace deal that Eritrean have no say in it and out for the public site at the expense of Eritrea as country’s and peace is meant to favor Eritrea and is meant to benefit Ethiopia and Eritreans should not miss the bigger picture. Make no mistake .There is more at stake than mere peace, The sovereignty of Eritrea
    To move forward and Capitalize on their inherent endowments, there are a number of important steps that at large need to consider, adopt and potentially initiate, including – possibly among others.
    • The Adoption of a Unifying Universal Ideology in full congruence with Universal Values of the upholding of human rights, inclusiveness, abidance with democratic values and treatment of Religion as a private and respecting existed faith based justices matter to all Eritreans.

    • Seek the Edification a Unifying Secular Non-Sectarian Larger State – along faith based that could initially and not assume the form any of a Federation Eritrea . For all practical and realistic purposes, it could not be the form of a Federation inclusive of Ethiopia by virtue of langue ,cultural and ethnic similarities.

    • Open Bridges and intensify honest and only transparent Communication with the Anti- Ethiopia imperialist Liberals Camp as well as broaden the dialogue with the Liberals among the World outside Eritrea to develop a common platform to advance the cause of a just peace and economic progress .

    • Ethiopia must Completely abandon militant and military solutions, and all forms of violence to redress any issue of the plight and grievances of Eritrean or otherwise ins.

    • coordinate all forms of peaceful coexistence of Religious harmanes and brotherhood of compassionate Ideologies in the advancement of the Eritrea Cause.

    • Build a Unified Eritrean Front along the above Principles to cause any serious progress in the edification of the New Eritrea Paradigm.

    We Eritrean at large by consequence suffer from inherent cultural inertia that unreformed politics of modern era occupying a central place in the governing epistemology on the mind and the collective thinking of Eritrean represents a drag that can only be overstepped into a meaningful socio-cultural, socio-economic and socio-political jumpstart by an inclusive Paradigm entailing as core principle the edification of an inclusive Secular None-Sectarian Solution Eritrea. Eritrea and Region at large will continue to mire in backward and God forbid bloodbaths for yet more generations to come.

  • Hayat Adem

    Selamat again,
    … and the story goes on …
    A group 4 Eritreans recently drove to Tigray through Adig, Meq, and via Afar to Addis with many stops in between. They all were amazed and overwhelmed by what they saw and the differences Ethio registered compared to Eri. They were also surprised to find some young Eritreans working as waitresses in cafes and restaurants in Meqele. One person among the group kept on uttering “eway tetSawitulna ‘ndiyu ezi seb’ay!”
    Many folks are now opening their eyes. They hate the fact they were cheated and lied to. The once promised and dreamed paradise has turned to an Orwelean nightmare. Some with very cheap moral are still offering the regime the biggest good they can: confirmity. But many are getting the pain shock of regrets from the rude wake up call.

    • Paulos

      Selam Hayat,

      Not sure how far it is true but on social media, people who are more often credible are saying that Isaias has invited Debretsion to visit Eritrea. More over, Abiy has put Debretsion in charge of the people to people relations. True?

      • Hayat Adem

        Dearest Paul,
        DT was supposed to be part of the 1st PM Abiy’s deligation when he first came to Asmara. PM Abiy even postponed his planned visit for one more week to include DT. DT had some issues within his party trying to sort out.
        People are misunderstanding many things here. Whenever they see DT absent from Abiy’s side, they assume many things wrongly.
        Some are saying that DT fell in line like the other regional leaders in Ethiopia to be going and kissing the hands of the dictator. They forgot that the 1st person to make the initial visit to Tigray was IA and the initial hosting was done by DT when IA and his deligation spent hours in Zalanbessa.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hayat,
      I really feel sorry for those who were cheated, the very young Eritreans. The rest, the older people, I despise them. Particularly those from the Diaspora who do not have any sense of shame. But what can we do–all of us licked the bitter taste of PFDJ because of them–lekimomn’na.

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear the H. SGJ,
        lekimom lekhakhimom leukemia atHizomuna.
        We have many ti despise really. I was told Dr. Berhe was invited to Addis to join a panel discussion on the recent peace in Ethio Eri and opportunities to be widened up for a common benefit. To the disappointment of his hosts, he bragged about IA and the Eri people prevailing over the Weyane. Up on learning about his brother’s plan to cross south, a Dr Mathematician was heard threatening his brother “neta Hanti ziterefet TiEyti egrikha kiqoritSa eie… What kind of enablers are these?

        • Desbele

          Selam Hayat,
          The last sentence is disturbing. I know the person in Eri and feel sorry for him. Hate like love is boundless. What Charles De Gaulle say perfectly fits the nationalist dr.
          Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.

        • haileTG

          Hi Hayat
          I hope we are talking of the same Dr. Berhe Tesfagiorgis. What a loser and sorry excuse for a Dr that guy is. I remember offering him a ride in Asmara and filling up controband fuel on the way. Coming from US he had no shame aggrandizing the regime in the conversation while looking with his wide eyes what we were doing to get by. He was also a doorman at Atlanta’s PFDJsocial that was held while Lampedusa crisis was unfolding. Crazy guy!

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest HTG,
            That is him.. it all tells about a character.

    • Abraham H.

      Selam Hayat A., let’s be fair in our assessment here. The no war no peace stalemate that lasted for 20 yeras was equally to be blamed on the TPLF as well as the PFDJ. The sad internal situation in Eritrea is largely the making of the despot with the blessing of his enablers, in particular those in the diasporas. Do you think we would have reached the current rapproachment between the two countries had PM Abiy didn’t come to power and a wave of reform engulfing both the EPRDF and Ethiopia in general?

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Abraham,

        In reality the no war no peace should only affect a small population in the boarder and trade between the two countries.

        There was no reason Eritrea to turn to Stone Age, and held hostage if our perceived “enemy” does nothing to make our lives better.

        The same way Ethiopian developed their country we could and should have developed ours as well.

        Berhe

        • Aligaz G

          Berhe,

          In the “NWNP” war or arrangement, Eritrea’s or PFDJ’s tactical depth in all aspects ie. societal, demographics, economy, geography (with Asmara as capital), diplomacy and even party politics was seriously degraded for 20 yrs. TPLF was such a vindictive enemy that in the end PFDJ was left dangling in a precarious position where they simply could not focus on development. It was just a matter of survival. Only now with the opening up are the costs of the hollowing out becoming evident. No wonder Isaias was jubilant with the coming of Abiy. But in the long term this type of sudden opening up or peace is a much greater danger or shock to PFDJ in its current feeble state than NPNW ever was.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Aligaz,

            I don’t know how much you have been following internal Eritrean politics but IA killed all possible ways for Eritrea to progress politically in Sept 18, 2001 when he arrested the G15, who published open letter to all PFDJ members.

            Haile Weldetinsae (DuruE) who was Eritrea FM at the time, who was the key negotiator during the war, had a public hearing in Germany and he all predicted what Weyane will do to get out or play with demarcation process. He said but now the game is “between Ethiopia and the UN / international community” Eritrea has to move along with democratic process”.

            But IA arrested all of them and he was picking fight with the UN, the US, and everyone else, to divert people attention and relieve himself from taking the responsibility to answer to the people. Demarcation, Badime become the delaying tactics of everything and obsssesed in the waiting game of TPLF to be toppled by Ethiopian people…

            In the process, he made Eritrea a living hell for the ERITREAN people that everyone must leave, at what ever price with big risk.

            If Eritrea is like any other African country, it’s population would have been tripled by now. We would have at least 10 million people instead of the 3.5 million. The difference, that’s how much Eritrea had to pay because of him.

            That’s why I get puzzled by some Ethiopians Derg sympathizer (Derg killer Ethiopia the day it killed the 60 ministers and parliamentarians), the disappearance of the G15 is that moment and Isayas will never come out of that. There is no hope for Eritrea as long as he is in power but like you said, the recent peace with Ethiopia makes him volenerable to be exploited and toppled.

            For your reference.

            http://www.snitna.com/docs/Open_Letter_to_All_PFDJ_Members_by_G_15_english.pdf

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-15_(Eritrea)

            Berhe

          • Aligaz G

            Berhe,

            Your post reduces to the main reason for Eritrea’s woes is Isaias and Isaias alone. So theoretically the minute Isaias leaves all your problems will be fixed? Wishful

          • David Samson

            Selam Aligaz,
            No, you have the aftermath.
            In Eritrea, IA= government= Party= Institution.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Aligaz,

            Issayas is not the only problem for Eritrea and Eritreans. But he is the “major” problem. The removal of him is a prerequisite, in order to deal with the rest of our sociopolitical problem.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear ብጻይ ኣማን:-

            If that is true…that will cost as like other nations..

            Well said, he is only to blame.. if this the case we will face what the Libyans and Somalis face it is always that way in all dictators..

            “he removal of him is a prerequisite, in order to deal with the rest of our sociopolitical problem.”.

            We have to accept the truth even if it costs more and we will have to face the truth,,Every single Eritrean is to responsible..no exception..

            Today in my face book page I already say so for the one who said the only problem..

            KS,,

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Algaiz,

            There is a saying “Asha zteKelo Lebam neyNeqlu”, translated, “what a fool planted, a wise can not remive”. No Eritrea problem will not go away when he leaves, what he has planted will haunt us for a while.

            Berhe

        • Mitiku Melesse

          Hei Berhe.
          How?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mitiku,

            Please see my reply to RA and Aligaz.

            Berhe

        • Reclaim Abyssinia

          Dear Berhe,
          Ethiopia is in debt over $40 billion dollar. The green land of south Ethiopia didn’t bring prosperity and advancement for all Ethiopia. Still, the majority of Ethiopian don’t have access to clean water, toilet, anti-biotic etc, What development is achieved by Ethiopia?
          I don’t think the current Eritrean government have the same purpose & virtue as the Ethiopian. It’s feasible to create a high performing scalable nation with $50 Billion dollar debt! But I think somehow, Eritrean are obsessed with Ethiopia and likewise. As I posted on my previous post “Both Eritrea and Ethiopia lost so much in the past 50+ years with አንድነት, መደመር, federation”. It’s really a risky move for both nations on the current መደመር theme. የቶሎ ቶሎ ቤት፥ ግርግዳው ሰምበሌጥ።
          Cheers,
          RA
          P.s. Please don’t get me wrong, the reunion of the separated family among Eritrean & Ethiopian’s is just priceless!

          • David Samson

            Selam RA,

            You and Kaddis are among few Ethiopians whose views are quite different to the boring ‘KeyBahrachin’s Ethiopians. In fact, While I was to reply to you post the other day, the post was deleted.

            You have highlighted an important issue which seems to have forgotten and somehow have lost in details of the ‘medemer’ catch phrase: the stupid economy. After all the euphoria of medemer is subsided, Eritreans and Ethiopians would learn the brutal fact: medemer is not a consumable product.

            I would guess, the unemployment rate in Eritrea is around 99%, while, according to google, the rate in Ethiopia is 16-17%. Do I believe this figure? Not in a million times. Any country could boast about double digits growth, but if this rate could not be translated in to creating jobs, you are left with empty high-skier buildings and white elephants. In China, the growth rate has lifted over 500m people out of poverty, so there is a strong correlation between the rate of growth and rate of employment.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Thank you very much David, Selamat!

            Yes, my post got flagged as a spam. I was not sure why, but I think I realise that I was trying to post it on the top (as the first top instead of reply). I probably take this opportunity to make a comment to moderators, “please explain” when you flag a post as a spam, or is dictatorship is inherited with a culture? just kidding!
            Thanks,
            RA

          • David Samson

            Selamat RA,
            The disgusted ‘DISGS’ is very moody AI. In the past, I had few of my posts flagged as well. After few posts, the AI seems to stop complaining and good to me lately.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hello,
            If AI is this primitive then the stamens by PMAA is right to make Ethiopia the leading nation in AI 🙂
            TX,
            RA

          • Blink

            Dear RA
            Disguise has its own thing . The moderator see words they find it offensive or they can delete the specific word or mark it with xxx . Comments that get lost are not necessarily due to moderator eye color. Just wanted to point that disguise guard can be drunk sometimes.I mean that culture thing kkkk where do you think we inherited it .

          • Berhe Y

            Hi RA,

            My comment was in relation to the NPNW condition both countries were operating and not being obsessed with Ethiopia. We, Eritreans made a choice of going our own separate ways and we should and be able to build our country and economy in our own without being dependent on anyone, including Ethiopia. Our relationship should be based on what benefit both countries and people. Because of our close historical ties and because of our dependency of each other, both of us should work together because it benefit us.

            When I say Ethiopia developed economically, its population increased by 30 million in the last 20 years and its hard to maintain such population explosion without investing heavy on infrastructure and industrialization. 40 Billion may sound a lot but it’s playground money in most western societies. For example in Toronto, it costs 10 billion to extend the subway by 4 km. 40 billion for a country of 100 million is not that bad, if you have productive population. True a lot of money may have been wasted due to corruption but that’s part of the growing and learning of development.

            Eritrea spent 1 million dollars a day to feed and keep its army, even if we say only 200 million a year. Over 20 years that’s 4 billion dollars wasted.

            It could have done something with that money and the resources, people hosted hostage to watch the barren boarder, not to mention how much those 300 thousands young force could produce to keep the economy going.

            And nobody really knows how much debt Eritrea has??? It could be billions that we will be in the hook when IA is done with.

            Berhe

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Berhe,
            Yes agree & I see your point, I just see this NPNW turn into NANM (Not አንድነት Not መገንጠል)
            Cheers,
            RA

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Berhe, “There was no reason Eritrea to turn to Stone Age, and held hostage if our perceived “enemy” does nothing to make our lives better.

          The same way Ethiopian developed their country we could and should have developed ours as well.”, well, did you read anything in my comment above that justifies the internal policies of the PFDJ because of the no war no peace? I clearly stated that it is almost entirely to blame the DIA regime for the failed economy and disrupted social fabric of our society. But both sides have equally to blame for the stalled non-resolution of the conflict between the two countries. And, yes, the NWNP situation had also given the DIA regime an opportunity to justify the assortment of its oppressive policies upon Eritreans, a justification that was bought by many Eritreans within and outside of Eritrea. I’m not one of those who believed in that qemish adey hankiluni reasoning of the pfdj junta, though.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Abrihino,
        I agree with what you said above. The blame for all the War, the NWNP and the Peace are shared between both sides though not exactly equally.
        1) the war was trigerred and scaled up by IA only to became disgraced and have accepted to withdraw in defeat. Was there anything Eprdf could do to prevent it from happening? Yes, there was. Anything including complying to IA’s unfair demands would probably prevent the war, snd that would have been worth it.
        2) the NWNP was sustained for 16 years largely sustained due to IA’s “no demarcation, no talk” rigid stand that killed Eritrea and Eritreans more. Could Eprdf shortened Ethio-Eritrea’s sufferibg it by also giving in to the demarcation mantra? Of course.
        3) The Peace initiative came from the Ethiopian side. I am so glad IA finally walked the more than half way for the Peace. Later the people of both sides were not shy to take it from there, own it and give it the real kiss. I was so elatedly animated when 1st I heard first when self motivated and organised people crossed north through Rama to reach their sisters and brothers.

        • Selam Hayat Adem,

          I really do not know what to make of this, when you say,“ Was there anything Eprdf could do to prevent it (the war) from happening? Yes, there was. Anything including complying to IA’s unfair demands would probably prevent the war, and that would have been worth it.”. Worth it for whom; for the eritrean side to continue to exploit ethiopia economically and politically, as if ethiopia owes anything to anybody.

          If this remains the mentality of the eritrean regime as well, i see no chance that the ethio-eritrean peace deal and rapprochement will succeed. This is simply the eternal lopsided relationship some eritreans entertain, that ethiopia should always pay the bill, and the ego of the eritrean side should be massaged, even if they are on the wrong side (starting an unprovoked war in this case).

          This is what happened during the early 1990s honeymoon period that lead to the same war to which as you say ethiopia failed to succumb and accept the demand of IA/pfdj, (the caesar and the superhumans), humiliate herself before the dictator, and continue to allow economic exploitation and political domination. In your opinion it was a grave mistake ethiopia failed to accept the new border, that was made the new reality by shabia’s army, and not with negotiations.

          The truth that everybody knows, is that the war was not due to that dusty village or the border. It is naive, may even be sinister, to think that if shabia got badme it would have stopped there and then. The border was the means, and the end was the continuation of the exploitation of the ethiopian economy and political domination of ethiopia.

          What we see and hear today because of the new reality, like one people – two countries, economic integration and even political integration, etc, ethiopians had watched the same movie in the early 1990s until the war, when the eritrean regime had a big hand in the ethiopian economy and a big say in ethiopian politics, which finally became the reason for the border war, and not the border itself. Unfortunately, this is still in the eritrean psych, and it is going to be the reason for the failure of the new peace deal and rapprochement.

          Some people are saying that the last eprdf congress was a tplf victory, because tplf policies were adopted. This comes out of egoism and frustration. For the rational person, the winner is ethiopia and the ethiopian people as a whole, and even eritrea and eritreans due to the peace deal, and not this or that political party.

          I do not think that tplf is the first one that came across these concepts. For ethiopians developmental state, revolutionary democracy, and especially ethnic federalism are necessary evils, the elephant in the room, with which they have to put up until its (ethnic federalism) usefulness expires. If these concepts brought dictatorship, corruption, kleptocracy and the absence of human rights, is not the fault of the concepts, but the insincerity and greed of those who applied them.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Horizon,
            I agree with what you said in your last paragraph.
            I have come to believe:
            1) war cost exceeds anyother settlement most of the time
            2) the legacy of war is costlier than others almost all the time.
            So, what could have possibly been more costlier than the 34k (real figure) lives dead only from rhe Ethiopian side?

          • Selam Hayat Adem,

            So, more or less you are saying that all aggressors and warmongers should have their way unimpeded, because fighting them is costly in terms of human life, and the legacy of war is costly? I do not think that you are saying, after all, might is right?

            What sort of world would it be, if one has to surrender, forfeits his/her freedom, humanity, dignity, etc, and adopt slavery, colonialism, humility, etc, simply because death is implicated in dealing with aggressors, who do not care for the life of their own citizens?

            What would have become of ethiopia (would she be around now?), if she had surrendered to the egyptians and to the italians at adwa and during wwii, to avoid the death of her citizens. Do you think that life in humility and slavery is worth it? Do you agree with the three decades of gedli, and tens of thousands of dead for the sake of eritrean independence, which was not even a war against slavery and colonisation as some would like to say it was?

            If it is about the psychology of women towards war, (as less aggressor by nature than men), maybe i can understand.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Horizon,

            Nice series of arguments except I think you may have slightly misunderstood Hayat’s meaning and purpose for saying the subject phrase. I will quote her for clarity.

            “Anything including complying to IA’s unfair demands would probably prevent the war, [a]nd that would have been worth it.”

            She is not denying Ethiopia’s right for self-defense so to speak and nor is she condoning Eritrea’s practices up to that fateful day. She was simply stating the logical truth of ‘no war’ being better than ‘war’ in this particular case.

            While I am here, I strongly agree with Abraham’s claim that both sides being responsible for the resumption of the war. Even if we agree Eritrea was the aggressor according to the international bodies’ findings, Ethiopia still had a chance to defuse it and she didn’t.

            One way I thought about how not to escalate the war at the time was to let PIA sit in Badme indefinitely while keeping the demand to vacate active until he realizes how useless the exercise is which he would have eventually.

            Horizon, we must admit that we (most Ethiopians) were angry and hyped about the whole Eritrean affair in those days and our patience was made thinner by the constant propaganda of Eritrea exploiting Ethiopia totally ignoring the historical circumstances how we got there in the first place.

            Eritreans were Ethiopians up to 1993. Like many Ethiopians they lived and worked allover Ethiopia including many of them in the government. One cannot just change that over night. Laws would have to be modified, understandings signed, vacancies filled, and many more adjustments made that would have taken years to settle.

          • Selam fanti Ghana,

            Appeasing dia is the worst policy, and ethiopia defending herself was the right thing to do. Because dia felt invincible and was addicted to war, it was impossible to calm him by giving in. I will say again, badme was not his target, and any other concession would not have satisfied him, other than punishing woyane and deposing tplf from power. He may even have declared confederation, with dia today our president too. Don’t laugh. It is not far-fetched.

            Ethiopia was left defenseless by tplf, the ethiopian defense forces was dissolved, while mz was told that dia was for something, unfortunately, he had a blind trust in him, and he ignored the information, until he was rudely awaken, and felt betrayed. It was said that mz was reluctant to declare the war of self-defense. May be here is where HA’s opinion may fit. Nevertheless , it was not the opinion of the majority.

            It is said that the best way to avoid war is to be prepared for a defensive war, to let the aggressor know that the country is capable of defending itself. If dia knew that ethiopia could defend itself, because as i said above tplf had disbanded the military, and created a vacuum in the the defense of the country, and if he did not believe that ethiopians will turn against tplf, dia would not have started that fateful war. Why is there no war now? It is because dia can no more fight an aggressive war.

            Finally, as much as the separation of the two countries was concerned, many countries have divorced, but not in a way it took place between ethiopia and eritrea, which is no more for discussion.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam horizon
            1,The reason why the war between ethio- eri started was to protect ethiopia interest was a big false.
            2, the reason was to make eritrea part of tigrai tigragn with different techniques, mainly using ethiopia economic as a leverage to force the eplf to change its policy towards tigrai.
            3, tplf accepted eri independence from ethio, don’t mean they accept eri is independent from tigraia and the last 20 years of ur kind of people and tplf propaganda prove that , they didn’t.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,

            In the limited time I have, I just wanted to say thank you.
            You responded in a measured way to this idea of Ethiopia should have looked for other alternatives than war.
            Ethiopia sacrificed its sons like it did in other wars, to remove that potential intractable threat to its well being, once and for all.

            Anyone who says one more time, “senseless war”, tell them yes it was senseless for them, for us defending our country was very sensible.
            In hindsight everything is possible, unfortunately, in the real world their was no such luxury.

            Mr. K.H

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Ambassador KH,

            I would agree with “…for us defending our country was very sensible” but there is one problem in relation to Eritrea.

            Depending on the occasion we treat Eritreans either as kin and kith or as aliens from far way galaxy. I believe all sources of our problems with Eritrea can be traced to these two opposing sentiments.

            It is not just Badme but every aspect of our relationship with Eritrea has been confused and confusing. Eritrea is, and perhaps will always be, special vis-a-vis Ethiopia and our every action should be viewed with that in mind.

            ….
            I kept it short with your time constraint in mind-:)

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            I think that this “kin and Kith” affair needs to be researched and redefined, rather than taken for granted. We do not know how many believe in it and how many do not. Simply it has become a cliche that i say it, you say it, and many others say it. You should know that many abhor it. Still we do not have a clear notion of these terms, even after the independence of eritrea, things remain confusing.

            It is odd when you see kin and kith fighting a half century war, they did nothing to develop their relations, and on the contrary, deep down hate is what governs most feelings.

            As you indirectly said ethio-eritrean relation is floating in the air because it has not achieved a solid foundation, and i doubt it will in the near future. The distrust is such that most of the time the ‘one people’ slogan is said by both sides and not really meant.

            Unfortunately, the two countries did not separate enough, and they were not given the chance to feel how it is to be completely separated and independent. There has been this continuous connection of one sort or other, either through the “one people-two countries”, mantra post independence, through refugees, and now the repetition of things that have been said in the past.

            Therefore, for any relation between ethiopia and eritrea, to be viable and dependable, it should have followed the complete severing of the umbilical cord, and a new relationship written on a clean slate.

            Finally, if eritrea is special to ethiopians, it is necessary that the same is true for eritreans as well. A one sided love is not going to be viable. It may even be annoying sometimes, and it may lead to failure.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Horizon,

            At least we all have one problem solved for us; the world is getting smaller! Thanks to globalization, a complete separation just cannot happen, so we may as well prepare ourselves to live together based on mutual respect and cooperation.

            A true test of whether we will manage to live in peace as cooperative neighbors will take place once we both have stable and ‘normal’ governments who draft policies based on what is good for their people instead of what is bad for others.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            On a slightly different note, nevertheless indirectly related to your post; i had read some time ago on what the world got out of neoliberalism and globalization (i think we discussed the subject lately in connection to what economic policy ethiopia should follow), and the writer was talking of the sins of these twin ideologies that brought trump, the far-rights and white supremacists in the usa and europe, the economic crisis of 2008 from which the world has yet to come out, the economic predicament of the middle class and generally of the working group, climate change, the present world political crisis and wars, immigration, and maybe another catastrophic war (God forbid), third world countries getting poorer (if it were not for china), etc. It is said that it is only china, and may be some countries of southeast asia that gained from globalization, while the rest became big time losers including the working class in the west.

            The habesha world is weird and unpredictable, and as you said globalization may bring them together, and a miracle may happen. Even then, rules and regulation should be in place, if the new economic integration is going to succeed.

          • Hayat Adem

            Dear Horizon,
            What i am saying is every mistake of one side must not be inevitably punished by escalated and full fledged war from the other side. What I am also saying is there are many different and better ways to handle aggression.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Horizon,
            With all due respect, I also don’t know what to make out of your statement when you said “Worth it for whom; for the Eritrean side to continue to exploit Ethiopia economically and politically, as if Ethiopia owes anything to anybody.”

            As a long termer on awata, I think you know very well that Ethiopia owes everything to Eritrean.

            To also be fair, it’s important to acknowledge, Ethiopia owes everything to many Ethiopian to a certain extent, in general, it just a country very well known by “የሰራልሽ ሞቶ የገደለሽ በላ”.

            Having said all that, the amount that costed Eritrean including the daylight robbery of the recent Amici citizen revocation(deportation in Ethiopia terms) just demonstrates the never-ending ongoing disastrous mentality by Ethiopia government, and it’s assault on Eritrean people. We all know that Eritrea being ripped off by Ethiopia non-stop, and there are a lot of people who can be a living proof of this statement(including me).

            What you are referring to as economic exploitation is not a valid justification point to come from you. As far as I know, those economical exploitations that most talked about cannot even be defined as a high-level business that affects Ethiopia economy; they were just a business at trader level. There are a lot of Ethiopian that shares my point of views and might say the referred economic exploitation of Ethiopia that you are referring was very important for the TPLF as an organisation and it’s members. As you know they have demonstrated to become the sole trader of buy & sell imported goods, and import/export traders that end up being monopolised by the “zemenu sewoche” (traders as an organisation & it’s members).
            Just throwing my 5c3nts worth.
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Selam R.A.,

            What i say and what you say show that there may never be a genuine constructive relationship between the two countries. The truth and accepting the truth are the things that are missing in this new relationship. There is a danger of repeating old mistakes once again, which could be catastrophic for both countries.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi again Horizon,
            You summed it up pretty well!
            Thanks,
            RA

          • Berhe Y

            Hi RA,

            You understand the big picture perfectly, where as horizon is obsessed with small petty things. He is focused on traders, like you said who were taking advantage to a small degree. Let’s face it, what is that Eritrea really needs from Ethiopia. Sugar and coffee it can but at the open market like anybody else in the world.

            Teff, the only market is half of ERITREAN population and with one quantal, a family can feed for six months, it’s not conned it’s like say OIL you burn everyday. And with proper irrigation and farming, Eritrea can produce enough to feed itself.

            Other than that, I see nothing else of immediate needs.

            On the other hand, Ethiopia spend billions of dollars to build the infrastructure to expand the port of Djibouti as well as the roads to transport goods to and from Ethiopia. I would guess out if the 40 billion debt, probably 20 billion is spend on that. Not only that it costs 3 times to trasport to certain parts of the country on ongoing cost.

            But for Horizon, that doesn’t matter as long as Eritrea is hurt and it’s economy is crashed, then it’s all ok and justified.

            As far as Eritrea is concerned, there was nothing that stopped her to be a hub for development and tourism for Africa. It can develop:

            1) tourism
            2) fisheries
            3) mining
            4) transportation / port usage
            5) gateway to Internet (because of proximity to the Red Sea), digital economy
            5) airlines (there is absolutely nothing it can’t do to take market share from others in the region, specially if it’s packaged as tourist destination)
            6) trade with the rest of Africa and the world
            7) organic vegetables and fruits (it use to export during the Italian times)
            8) cotton production
            9) etc etc etc

            Please I am not saying Ethiopia can’t do all these, I am just focusing on Eritrea and it’s potential.

            Berhe

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Berhy,

            The entire third world countries are in a very big danger, it hurts to think of Ethiopia and Eritrea will become a victim of the ugly side of imperialism.

            One single multi-billion dollar western company can offer to buy any of our countries and provide a better lifestyle for its people than any of our past/current governments. But.. but the cost of freedom is not measured by money or anything that are available in the world.

            The reason that we accepted colonisation map and to become part of the united nations of the world is to manage our own nation better & freely! If that can not be achieved then what’s the point of freedom!

            we also thought that of the next door Kebela ቀቢላ, the next door tribe, the next door ethnic or the nation next door will look after us and our people better and have brotherly/sisterly relationship toward each other rather than the vampire across the sea/ocean.

            So, Why I’m I mumbling about this.. well once it was explained to me by someone important, in Eritrea … መግዛእቲ is መግዛእቲ! It doesn’t matter who does the መግዛእቲ of you & your people, if it’s not fair & square then it’s colonisation!

            If I’m not exaggerating, my children can turn Eritrea into Singapore. I mention that nation because that was the hope for Eritrea. I also can reasssure you Ethiopians love Eritrean or I can even say anyone to that matter. The government of Ethiopia has never, never and ever represented its people! So I also feel sorry for Ethiopian being miss understood by Somalia, Djibouti, Eritrea and Sudan. IT’s all because of Ethiopian governments!

            Technically, Eritrea does not need anything from Ethiopia and vice-versa, so what’s all the problem?

            The last time when I was in Ethiopia, it was only six month ago, and I tell you that, people are so fadeup and they were questioning the truth about Italian colonisation. In a very big Kat(chat) ceremony, I was attending… I was told ባክህን ITLAY ደብሮት ነው የሄደው:: What is that tell you… both Ethiopia and Eritrea are fadeup with their government… and that makes us two as 2 nation or that makes as one as common ground of fade with it’s government.

            I hope for my expression to flow well…
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat RA,

            “In a very big Kat(chat) ceremony, I was attending…”

            Priceless!

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Fanti,

            It’s great to see someone who praises chat(Kat), since your appreciation for Kat part of the story, I may as well take the liberty to tell you one story that I found very intersting.

            I was flying Jimma to Addiss coming back from Mizan Teferi, and I had a very big roll of Kat (Zurba) and I felt really uncomfortable to take it on board on a plane when I got to the airport, so I end up giving it away to the driver who drops me to the airport.

            In the aeroplane, I noticed that the person sitting next to me with a Muslim hat on his head keep sneaking to his pocket and retrieving a small amount of kat and chewing it unnoticed.

            I said heyyy,,,, you got some Kat,.. he said yes, with a bit of humiliation. I said, can I have some..well he gave me some… so I told him how I felt embarrassed to take a Zurba onboard. He said… yes, welcome to Ethiopia! if you were carrying whiskey from a duty-free then everyone will lookup on you as some kind of …, but not Kat(Chat). I think that statement was Gold.
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam RA
            Just stop it, don’t talk about the thing that u don’t have idea.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat RA,

            I have a Chat (Khat) story. Some 4+ years ago, I was in a bus in Mekele with my brother heading to a town called Wukro to greet family friends. The next day was Eid Al Fetur holiday.

            A well dressed guy with unmistakable Muslim outfit carrying a huge pile of half covered Chat approached my brother who was by the window and asked him if he would be kind enough to take it for him to give it to some woman who will come and get it once we call her.

            My brother agreed as long as he gets more paper to cover the Chat completely. The guy considered the idea for a moment and then said “the bus might leave before I come back.” I agreed with him and stretched my hand to accept the Chat from him.

            My brother pushed my hand away and said “are you crazy, the whole town will think that we are Chat addicts if they see us with it.” I had thought my brother was worried the sun might dry the leaves by the time we meet the receiver when he asked the sender to cover it more.

            Surprised by the actual reason, I told my brother that I will carry it since nobody there knows who I am and that he can stand farther away from me while I call the receiver if he is that worried.

            My brother reasoned what if the receiver does not answer the phone or she is too far away? Similar back and forth went for a while and everyone in the bus was listening to our silliness when I asked the sender for the phone number to call once we get there.

            He wrote the phone number in a piece of paper and handed it to me. From Mekele to Wukro is barely an hour after a couple of stops, so I decided to call the person right there and then and have them wait at the bus stop, while in the back of my mind, I was thinking that the phone number looked familiar to me somehow.

            As soon as I dialed the number,by which time the bus was moving, a name popped out from my phone instead of the number and it was the name of our cousin whom we were heading to visit!

            Amazed by the coincidence and the question of “does our female cousin really chew Chat” lingering in my mind I shouted “oh my God, that is our cousin” and frantically tried to look for the sender through the window for some questions. It was too late.

            Someone in the bus started to laugh and before long, the whole bus was laughing and making jokes about us and our cousin. Some of them would encourage us to follow our cousin’s “good example” while others loudly discuss whether we had enough Chat for the holiday and what have you. It ended up being one of my most memorable trips.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam fanti
            In northern part of ethiopia specially in far north of ethiopia what u said is true but in other part of ethiopia now days(the last 30 years) chat is more popular than alcohol or equally popular. besides jimma airport began operational 3- 4 years ago, it wasn’t operational for long long time, so if we r talking about the last 3-4 years, chat is more popular.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat TA,

            Very true. It is becoming very popular in Tigray in an alarming rate. Long time ago, I use to hear that it was only popular in Harar, but what I saw in Addis and Hawassa recently is unbelievable.

            Once the nation calms down, I hope the government and the public at large will take steps to discourage its use but most importantly from passing it on to future generations.

          • David Samson

            Selamat RA,

            Where do you get your supplies from if you happen to live in Europe or America?
            The UK was the last country to ban Khat. I see many are chewing dry Khat in Cafes.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Reclaim,

            I liked your last post but I was tied up on the weekend and didn’t have time to respond.

            If I gave you the impression that, Eritrea is better of without having any relation ship with Ethiopia, it’s not my intention. Eritrea defiantly needs to have good relation ship with it’s neighbors particularly with Ethiopia Sudan and Yemen. Ethiopia with the highland and Afar region, Sudan with the lowlands and Semhar with the Yemen, are like second home for us. We speak Amharic, Tigrina and Afra so we can trade with Ethiopia a lot. We speak Arabic, so we can trade with Sudan and a middle east.

            I think we, as Africans, need to do better to help elevate the poverty in our continent. I agree with you, the governments are really responsible but I think the public needs to do it’s part as well. For example, I was speaking with an Ethiopian friend who got located to Kenya to work for a development bank. When he told me the, AU have a plan (50 years from now) to see the African continent opened up on trade and works towards common market and goal.

            Call me impatient but 50 years, really? And who comes up with this plan in the first place. So this type of thinking is what is killing our people ambition to stay and live in their country / continent to prosper and do well.

            What’s really sad that I noticed is, even those Africans when they decide to go back and live in Africa from the west, say after accumulating wealth, education etc… is going back like those former colonizers and live a like them and living it big and good. They dream about having their own guard, their own maids, their own driver, their own chef, private school, gated homes etc…. Now I am sure that creates jobs and all and there is nothing wrong with it, but the whole point of going back to Africa is not really to help the continent and the people do well but actually to live and act like a foreigner and live a “good life” what ever that means.

            I don’t know, at least that is publicized, that someone who open schools, who open hospital, who open libraries, etc…someone really giving back to the community…Basically how I see them:
            1) They don’t have the capacity and the know how to make it in the west and make it big.
            2) They just go back to Africa in the hope that they can exploit it.

            Sorry may be this sounds a little bit harsh and generalizing but that’s been my limited observations.

            Berhe

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Berhe,

            I’m glad you liked my post, and I should thank you for taking the time to reply to it.

            I sure understand that was not your intention at all, I was just trying to pinpoint my own point of view to the bigger audience as well as the problem that awaits ahead of us as a third world nation, and I don’t think our governments or people see what’s coming in the future.

            I completely agree with your view about the majority of the African that go back to make money, and trust me some of the people I know made so much money in Addis, others just went back there because of they homesick. Most of the homesick people just want to make a living and stay in Addis instead of DC or NYC. The people of Addis in my area has given them a nickname, and they call them “Deporty”. Nobody believes them that they come back to Ethiopia just because they are sick of NYC, Paris or DC etc.

            Coming back to the subject, I am always curious how much more do we really have to help our countries, as a citizen, as a family, as a community. From መሬት ላራሹ, Zemecha, Literacy, national service, war. Lemat to Now ohh noo

            Our countries have not been kind to the majority of its people; but fortunately, we still love our countries, we always hope for better, Nobody in this world will forget the starvation that made the headline in Ethiopia, South Sudan, Somalia and the number of people died in the sea, desert, war etc. So I guess we all have a feeling to our fellow human being, let alone to our fellow citizens. If an opportunity arises, we all are ready and happy to help, but the only problem is how? It seems easy but it’s really difficult for both people that need help and want to help.
            Cheers,
            RA

          • Berhe Y

            Dear RA,

            Thank you.

            You wrote:
            “If an opportunity arises, we all are ready and happy to help, but the only problem is how? It seems easy but it’s really difficult for both people that need help and want to help.”

            Like you said, I agree it’s not easy at all. It requires a lot of patience and hard work but at the same time, a long term vision / goal. In business world, there is a term called “Big Hairy Audacious Goal” BHAG. Basically the country needs to have some audacious goals and it needs to execute towards that.

            For example, Rwanda has “RWANDA VISION 2020”. I know Ethiopia had GTP but I think it was too short, 5 years plan and GTP II, another 5 years plan…and I am not sure it encompasses every sector. Since Abiy come to power, I am not sure it’s the focus.

            That’s on government level but I think on individual level, I think the Tata group are the best example what “patriotic” citizens are suppose to achieve.

            In Eritrea, at least up to the Derg time, I am not sure now there use to be few families who were entrepreneurs / industrialists but also very ethical and hard working, such as, Alem Meharena, Tesfaghebriel Meharena, (I forgot his name a guy who use to assemble / build buses), Enda Gonafer, Enda Haji Hasen, Enda Abera Hagos, there were business who were in manufacturing, exporting, etc. They were not only well to do for themselves, but they were model citizens who paid their dues, build schools, build churches and they provide job opportunity and help the pure to their capacity.

            I think the way they started, they would have build so many business empires like that of the Tata group.

            I heard most business in Germany, S. Korea and other countries are usually are started by small group and most are family operated and owned. Africa needs to work towards that model…

            I don’t have time to write more but perhaps this can be expanded further.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; the production of Potash will take Eritrea to the middle income society. It will change Eritreans life for the better.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            What happened to the money Eritrea got from Bisha. It’s publuc record, you can check Nevsun annual reports and figure out how much money they collected.

            So the potash production will not be any different. It will go to someone account overseas.

            Berhe

        • Abraham H.

          Dear Hayat Adem, I agree with most of your response, but not everything what you said here. Example, I don’t remember Eritrea making any demands towards Ethiopia at the start of the war. There are also numerous explanations as to how and why the conflict developed ending up with the armed conflict. But I believe that it was DIA who responded disproportionately to killings on some Eritreans around Badme in May of 1998 which sparked the armed conflict. The issues that are said to be the real causes of the war, i.e. ideology, economic and trade policies and relations, etc were not mentioned during the conflict. I also think it was the Ethiopian side that escalated the war to full scale, border wide war by declaring war on Eritrea. After the Ethiopian war declaration, I remember the Eritrean cabinet of ministers gave a statement which tried to take a cooler approach, by asking for end of hostilities, and by calling for a negotiated bilateral settlement if possible, and the demarcation of the border through the UN cartography based on colonial treaties. The stance of Ethiopia at that time was very beligerent and stubborn, ruling out any dialogue or peaceful settlement, unless Eritrea withdrew from the territories it had occupied, mind you the Ethiopians even didn’t specify which territories they were asking Eritrea to withdraw from.
          You also said “demarcation mantra”, though I don’t see the demarcation as a mantra. It is something that has been agreed upon by both sides, and something that has to come to its conclusion by implementing the EEBC decision, through a give and take process that tkaes into consideration the needs of the border peoples. We should not leave unsettled border issues to our next generations that could potentialy lead them to destructive conflicts.

          • Hayat Adem

            Fair enough Abrihino,
            Let me try another shot on the three points we seem to disagree if in case I get lucky to convince you on all or some of them.
            *Remember that we don’t have depend in what IA or MZ reported then for basic facts. We take third parties reports. In tgat case the start of the crisis is established when and where IA decided to act on his aggression plan to take territories from Ethiopia according to the verdict given by the EECC. You and should agree on this point.
            Ethiopia asked the Eri gov to restore status quo ante or else she would exercise self defense right. That was what the Ethio parliament officially announced. I know many Eritreans counted this as a declaration of war but I beg to differ. A call fir a status quo ante is a call of condition.
            **What I said regarding the point “Eritrea demanding” and something I think it has everything to do with war that followed as a consequence was the economic advantages Eritrea wanted to continue to secure over Ethiopia with the coming of Naqfa and Ethiopia’s refusal to accomodiate.
            ***By demarcation mantra, I mean what the IA regime had been echoing for 15 yrs of mekhete and hardshios its sudden decision to drop it to the dust bin altogether.

          • Aligaz G

            Abraham,

            The Ethiopian position was for all sides to return to status quo ante before any discussions. What was belligerent and aggressive about this? We didn’t even have a fully functional army to threaten Eritrea with at the time.

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Aligaz G., I think I will refer you to the statement that was issued by the Eritrean cabinet of ministers, on May 14th 1998, days after the initial clashes around Badme. In that statement it is clear that the Eritrean government was not interested in escalating the ‘border dispute’ out of proportion, and even came with concrete proposals on how to resolve it. The Ethiopian side ignored the olive branch, instead chose to escalate the war both militarily as well as pursuing a very toxic media campaign. Read the statement by the Eritrean cabinet of ministers and judge for yourself. BTW what did status quo ante mean at that time? Withdrawal from the town of Badme? I remember the Ethiopian side didn’t clearly specify which territories it wanted returned to Ethiopia. Besides, Eritrea believed that it didn’t trespass the border, convinced that the town of Badme was inside Eritrean territory based on the colonial treaties, which, indeed happened to be the case in the eebc decision.
            Anyway here is the link to the statement:
            http://raimoq.com/archives-eritrean-response-statement-government-ethiopia-may-1998/

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi friends,
    It is clear Eprdf has pulled itself through to a party of unified in purpose and continuity. 176 of 177 for Abiy means, every voice in his party is behind him (I don’t support him but his party memebers do). 149 for Demeke also means only 28 (veey minimal) are not for him. You can only assume he also got all or many votes from Tplf. It is more likely that Demeke didn’t get a vote from Gedu because Gedu nominated DT. It is also more likely than not, there were few from his own party, ADP, that supported Gedu’s preferred candidate and voted for DT. The 15 for DT cannot defnitely be from Tplf as they should have known he was NOT competing for such a position. It wouldn’t be difficult to assume he would secure at least all the 45 Tplf votes if he was interested. Of the 15, 1 vote surely came from Gedu as he was the one who nominated him and 14 others or the majoriry of them may have come from Gedu’s party as it is natural for people to fillow their leader. But none of those could be from Tplf.
    The bigger truths:
    1) Eprdf’s unity, continuity and core character is maintained
    2) the organizing principle of the party which is RD is maintained
    3) Federalism is maintained

    • Mitiku Melesse

      Hei Hayat.
      3) Federalism maintained but with respecting the federal states meaning tplf can not meddle and use its poison to wadge war among different ethnic groups to stay in power.

      2) RD is changed from serving only tplf policy ie tigray control economy and federal government of Ethiopia to eprdf.

      The 20 or so years confusion is now cleared. People who support RD must not support the organized criminal tplf because now organized crime is outlawed.

      Now people who oppose RD have no issue on race. They oppose the government due to its policy. This is a victory by itself.

  • Abraham H.

    Selam Awatista, in the eprdf election, I read somewhere that Dr. Debretsion of the tplf got only 15 votes out of the 177. Does this mean most of the tplf representatives, I think 55 in total, didn’t vote for him? If so, then why? They do not trust in his ability? Or did they just give up, knowing that they could never get a majority for Dr. Debretsion considering the overwhelming majority of the other sister parties?

    • Paulos

      Selam Abraham,

      The Front has put out a written statement to that effect. And I am sure the losers [enemies of the Front] are running away with it if it means anything at all. The statement says, neither the Front nor the 45 members had any intention or desire for Debretsion to be a candidate but he was nominated by Gedu and obviously the fact that there was no desire, he didn’t even vote for himself. But propoganda is one thing and fact is something else. The guy is solid as they come!

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Abraham,

        What I heard from Dr Debretsion in a YouTube , that he was only nominated but withdrew before the voting process begins. His reason, because he was a newly elected governor of the Tigray kilil. Check out his interviews in a YouTube.

        • Abraham H.

          Selam Aman, I think you are speaking about the election which was months ago; we are discussing the most recent election few days ago. Our neighbors to the south are having so many elections that we are even losing to keep track of them:-) Of course, unlike us, where we haven’t had a single opportunity to elect our leaders in our 27 years of independence.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abe,

            You right. I wasn’t aware about the recent election. I was speaking about the time when the current PM was elected few months ago. I just realized now from the on going comments. Thank you brother.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Abraham H.,

      PM Abiy got 176 of the 177 available votes. Unless Dr. Debretsion competed for vice PM (I doubt it) I am not sure where the 15 votes came from.

      • Abraham H.

        Dear Fanti G., my source was the website called meskerem dot net aka meshrefet:-) Probably that is just a fake news. Thanks for the feedback.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Abraham H.,

          Hawey, Hawey!

          In the early days of the internet, it was common for websites to have background song which became annoying very quickly.

          When Meskerem dot net first lauched, they used to have a background theme song (Hagerey Eritrea) which was one of my top, very top, Tigrigna Gwayla themes.

          Like many websites of those days, meskerem was going through changes very often, and one ziteregemet day, they stopped the background song and my relationship with them has not been the same since.

      • Aligaz G

        Dear Fanti,

        Debretsion was nominated for deputy against Demeke and received 15 votes while Demeke received 149. It seems that the main push by TPLF was an attempt to remove Demeke by nominating Muferiat but she declined the nomination for deputy. The convention ended up being a comprehensive defeat for TPLF. Now we shall see what the next few days will bring on the peace and security front.

        • Paulos

          Aligaz,

          Think again! The Weyanes came out strong. The Congress ended in favor of their agenda. And that is what matters. They are not interested in Federal power as in let ODP and ADP fight it out.

          1. No change in Ethnic Federalism.
          2. No change in Revolutionary
          Democracy.
          3. No change in Developmental.
          State.

          Go ahead and focus on personalities and that is precisely the reason these people are always ahead of the game. You can not possibly beat them neither Abiy the fool can.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            Simply by looking at the vote tally, it was a comprehensive defeat. In other parliamentary systems this would have been called a vote of confidence which ended up in a mandate. Now the other issues you mentioned while basic were not on the table (some say deliberately) so were not put to the democratic test.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            It ain’t rocket science. Really. Why would Debretsion want to be a chair or vice-chair when the whole nation is ganging up against them. It doesn’t really make any sense. If you read the statement they put out, Debretsion was not interested to be on the ballot but someone [Gedu] nominated him. Debretsion didn’t even vote for himself neither his party members voted for him for the same reason. Again, they were not interested.

            It would have been a total defeat if the three fundamental pillars of the Front were scrapped and replaced with something else but nothing changed. And that is what matters most. The reason nothing was changed was simply because the Weyanes came to Hawassa with a solid base back in Tigrai.

          • Aligaz G

            Paul,

            If the 3 issues you mentioned were put to the vote in this convention they would have been scrapped leading to massive destabilization and deaths. However as an indication of future events the main 2 parties have already officially left Revo Democracy. Party politics and pillars are decided in the habesha context by leaders hence the importance of this vote thus it’s just a matter of timing now when EPRDF officialy changes course in a fundamental way. It’s a matter of survival. There are no partial victories in our culture unfortunately.

          • Paulos

            Aligaz,

            You got a point. As you said, we will see how events pan out in the near future. All the best!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Aligaz G,

            I had completely different feel of the outcome. I didn’t see any defeat because there was no battle at all.

            176/177 vote for Abiy shows unity and it is unequivocal show of confidence. They have also agreed in every key EPRDF’s traditional political concept. I am sure some members would have different choices and probably hoped for different out comes, but isn’t that what ‘democracy’ is?

            Everyone tries to sell their ideas and at the end of the day, whatever majority decides it becomes the norm. That to me is the essence of democracy.

            You equated TPLF’s nomination for Muforiat as an attempt to unseat Demeke, was Gedu also attempting to unseat him too when he nominated Debretsion? Don’t you think they nominated one another as a sign of goodwill not necessarily to unseat Demeke?
            Isn’t it more likely TPLF hoped to have our first female vice chair?

            Let’s all try to be forward looking and embrace this as a good step forward as I am already doing!

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Fanti,

            Our political leaders looked into the abyss and wisely stepped back. In that sense this is a good step forward. The party machinations were resolved by simply voting enbloc so we should not read more into that than necessary. Best to say party disciple was enforced in Hawassa and leave it at that. So the revolution continues but will it be manageable or will it run amok as revolutions tend to do.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam ALigaz G.,

            Well said. “So the revolution continues,” indeed. One interesting agreement was on working hard to find ways to improve on their “political ideology” which may have began by changing “Revolutionary Democracy” to “Developmental Democracy” already.

          • Aligaz G

            Dear Fanti,

            To tell the truth it is not clear how much further they can stretch and contort the party ideology. Right now even the conventioneers may not realize what they are complicit to. There was a book that came out by Negasso Gidada where he claims he didn’t know what he signed back in the transition govt. Sometimes it takes time to digest the momentousness of real change and most of our politicians are too busy playing politics to pay attention.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            This is a vote of confidence in the pm and for his internal and external policies. Change within the country and peace with eritrea are going to be enhanced and solidified, i hope.

          • saay7

            His Fantiness:

            Wait. Wait. Wait a Mekele Minute:

            Did I hear that PM Abiy gave the Eritrean portfolio, handed to him by our mad king Isaias Afwerki, to Dr Debretsion? Or was that said “jokingly” because, I don’t know, Satan?

            saay

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Saay,

            Oh man, wouldn’t that make life so interesting. Even SGJ would smile on that one.

          • Kaddis

            Selam Aligaz,
            Democratic centralism means ezaw yaleqe shay (tea). The rest is a show.

          • Aligaz G

            Kaddis,

            Maybe. But we will know for sure a year from now. Early days

          • Mitiku Melesse

            Hei Paulos.
            Do you think the non Tigrians hate the RD? Quiet the contrary. They think the RD brings wealth and development for their KIllil . They hate the RD of tplf because it is an evil system where only Tigrians control the economy and the federal system. So in short terms the RD of tplf couldnt loot the government’s land, bank, position like before. This is a blow for a corrupt racist one ethnic based tplf government be it in Ethiopia or Tigray. How could tplf run its multi billions dollars economy without looting, exposed by the opposition, media, etc remains to see.

            Tplf came to the meeting bearing in mind splitting the revolutionary eprdfs by denying Mekonen the vice minster position. Removing Abiy was impossible so why waste energy on the obvious.

            The revolutionary group infiltrates tplf very well so they removed the southern candidate. So it seams Debretsion announced to his group abort the mission. Those 15 are not tplfites. They are other parties member who are on tplf payroll but who were not informed about the abortion. Tplf is not free like before six month ago that it can make on single call and decide who can be pm or president.

            PS.. I am afraid people think RD works fine and it failed because tplf’s greediness. That i am really worried. It worked for Tplf because you need 100 million people to make it 6 millions to live better.

          • Tensae

            Selam All,

            Hello Amanuel Hidrat and Paulos, the Tweedledum and Tweedledee of Awate Forum,

            Despite the glaring and humiliating defeat of the TPLF at
            the hands of the newly minted and invigorated ODP and ADP (formerly OPDO and ANDM respectively) at the just finished EPRDF conference, here you are unashamedly claiming that the TPLF won. How strange! While the die-hard TPLF supporters are silently mourning their loss you seem to have taken upon yourself the unenviable and futile task of reviving a dead horse. An extreme case of blind loyalty or one of sheer folly? In the winner takes all world of Ethiopian politics, not only did the ODP and ADP won the positions of Chairman and Vice Chairman respectively but also all the major positions in the “Auditing Commission” who will be in charge of preparing the organization for the next general election slated for 2020, leaving the TPLF with virtually nothing to show for. As for Paulos’ mambo jumbo claim that TPLF won in retaining the old failed policies of Ethnic Federalism, Revolutionary Democracy and Developmental State, it would have been laughable had he not be talking about the fate of the people of Tigray who have overnight been reduced to insignificance thanks to the failed policies of the TPLF and despite the enormous sacrifice the people of Tigray paid. Moreover, Paulos does not seem to realize that this is more likely to be the last EPRDF conference as Ethiopian politics will soon change radically and EPRDF will seize to exist in its current form. During their recently completed conferences, both ODP and ADP harmonized their policies and implemented major political changes such as bringing new faces to their leadership and kicking out some of the members of the old guard, in addition to the changing of their names from liberation fronts to full-fledged political parties while the TPLF remained frozen in its old state. There will soon be even more radical re alignment of political parties in Ethiopia with the members of the opposition parties who were previously based in Eritrea such as OLF, ONLF, G7 and Demhit playing crucial and even decisive role, giving PIA huge influence in the affairs of Ethiopia. It may not have yet downed to both of you, but as it is, both PIA and PMAA are serving as the de facto President and PM of both Ethiopia and Eritrea – under the slogan of “Two countries, One People”. As for Amanuel Hidrat’s claim that Debretsion withdraw before the voting process started, nothing could be further from the truth. To begin with, his name was added for nomination, by those who wanted to humiliate him by showing how little support he could garner. Moreover, there is no official record that he asked that his name be removed. Speaking of humiliation, as if that is not enough, there is news flash that he will soon be visiting Eritrea to kiss the hand of PIA, following on the footsteps of the leaders of the other region states. Please stay tuned!

          • Paulos

            Tinsae,

            Maybe you are right in the part of your brain that wants you what to see and what to hear, I say this though, let’s leave it to time as time is the ultimate judge.

          • haileTG

            Hi Paulos,

            The unenviable position of IA is that there is nothing awful as being treated as a ceremonial idiot. Having given and surrendered all his cards, he got nothing back. Pushed off the cliff on the demarcation issue, left to die with his ill gotten sanction around his neck, unable to have any political breakthrough at home, human rights indictment looming larger, population voting with their feet, what can you not add to the mix. As wdi Tkabo once sang “ገዛና እንድዩ ትማል ሓዊ እናነደደ፡ ረዳኢ ዘይመጾ እኳ ዋላሓደ”, fits PFDJ perfectly (although wedi Tkabo used it in different context).

            They just don’t understand how the world see them in light of the well founded Crime’s against Humanity charges. IA is simply መጸየቂ ስእሊ for any self respecting leader to stand with. Unless the PFDJista understand that they’ve hit the end of the road, they are bracing for one final mistake yet again which would be the end of them.

          • Paulos

            Selam HaileTG,

            The joke is not on him, it is on the Amares, Sofias, Abbays and all the other absolutely useless sycophants. Isaias, deep in his heart knows that he is close to Debretsion than the useless sycophants and if need be he can spit them out in no moment and turn on them for they are a means to an end. Nothing more nothing less.

            Teenage boys and girls are sleeping in the bus-stops in Mekele and it is not about them being safe anywhere but in Eritrea, at the end of the day, it is about dignity where it is the measure of any conscious being. In light of the grim reality, we are told that the game-over man is heading to Eritrea not carrying a heavy stone on his shoulder to prostrate under Isaias’ feet, he is heading with his head held and chin held up. Twenty years ago, he beat him in Badme and twenty years later, he beat him in the realm of politics as well. The rest is about licking wounds and counting casualties as they say.

          • haileTG

            Hi Paulos,

            An empty glass doesn’t fill up itself, nor is a full glass responsible for its content. Those people you mention are much like that. Their independence has been robbed from them. The regime has to fill them or empty them of content. When the regime is silent, so they are and when it speaks they start to chatter. Right now they can’t say anything other than re-run old recording of TPLF this or that. That is an echo from old programme. The regime can’t come up with new content to transform them. So, they are like ghosts from the past. No one needs their lecture about woyane when Eritreans are meeting and greeting woyane in Tigray and Eritrea all the same. What can they sell anymore? They come with nothing to say and nothing to hear. They desperatly dream of victory and soon moan and groan of lost opportunity. They chant peace while clutching their fists in anger. They are conflicted, deeply disturbed they hate to stay, they hate to go and they hate to be. What a lesson they got in the end!!

          • Paulos

            Selam HaileTG,

            It is announced that Eritrean and Ethiopian long distance runners will compete next week. The joke going around is that Eritreans will get more incentive, motivated and could come out first if the five kilometers distance is towards south instead.

          • Kbrom

            Hi haileTG and Paulo

            I am following the clear, factual analysis posted by both of you dear, colleagues. I am really enthralled by both the style and the substance of your analysis; no doubt such insightful discussion about current situation in our country will give rise to the ongoing discussions here in Awate forum and rekindle an enthusiasm to find a sustainable solution.

            Please accept my thanks for giving us such a worthwhile and stimulating points.

          • Tensae

            Hello Paulos, the Tweedledee part of the duo, or should I
            say Dr.Falso,

            Having followed your daily damping on this site for quite
            some time, I am not surprised with your one liner lumpen or wedi shuq style of reply. In the face of incontrovertible facts, I did not expect you to mount any challenge other than to cave in and look for an easy way out and you did not disappoint. But what is that I see and hear that you don’t ? You must be really challenged to not be able see and hear events as they unfold.And what is this non sense about “let‘s leave it time” habes Qedes? Has time suddenly become a black hole where you can dumb anything that you have no courage to debate? On a more serious note, I am worried about you losing you favorite vacation destination. By the way, my condolence on your lose of uncle Meles is in order.

          • Paulos

            Sure thing man, sure thing.

          • gebremedhin yohannes

            Selam Semere T and Tensea
            As the Ferenji say don’t throw a stone living in glass house your Demi god is more worried about Ethiopia and Tigray than Eritrea and its people it is visible to some one who can see or discern, you are blinded by hatred , you can not see the the facts on the ground . Debretsion is going to Asmara and what are you going to say then as usual you are going to tell us the brotherly people blah blah and blah , because you don’t have your own brain you are using your demi god brain, you will not have a problem to change your color like chameleon as soon as he start to say our brothers in Tigray.
            I am afraid even in your dream and night mare you see TPLF and you hear TPLF, what a sickness.
            These two gentlemen are true Eritreans with a clear stand and conscious from what i read on this forum ,unlike you kebero junkies who are laughing and dancing while your people are suffering, dying , humiliating, begging for bread and shelter every where. your priority should not be TPLF or any other thing but you brothers and sisters the elderly and the young who are suffering immensely. you keep saying TPLF, weyan etc but our people are flocking in mass to Tigray and weyna land, i wish you guys woke up and see what is happening to your own people and be able to see the facts .
            Mihret yewridelkum

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Tensae,

            A reaction is not a debate. Your comment is a reaction to what we have or haven’t said. Have a tone of a debate if you want to engage you. Second don’t worry about TPLF and Tigray people, they can manage their problems. But if you have common sense (a) worry about your people who is leaving our nation in droves (b) worry about our people scattered in the streets of Ethiopian cities (c) worry about the lack of freedom of our people (d) Worry about the prisoners who could not have a day in court to defend their innocence.

          • Blink

            Dear Mr. Amanuel
            Nor do your comments of this forum for over 10 years . You were talking to people who address you with a slightest reason not to mention your horrible idea.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Tensae

            “Hello Amanuel Hidrat and Paulos, the Tweedledum and Tweedledee of Awate Forum”

            How dare you separate the only Eritrean Muslim Awatista, Hayat, from her “Eritrean” brothers. I’m really disappointed in you!!!

            Semere Tesfai

          • Tensae

            Selam Haw Semere Tesfai,

            First and foremost, my hat off to you for your many years of service to the national cause. I must also tell you that I am big fan of your unwavering stand and your unadulterated, straight from the heart style of writing in contrast to the lang-langa duo.

            Sorry for disappointing, but the main reason why I did not include Hayat in the same basket is simply because she is too big to fit in. In retrospect though, if there is any one who should be there, it must be the old gander by the name of Haile GT who these days seems to have too much time at his disposal. As for Hayat Adem, she reminds me of a character I once read in an Amharic novel, whose title skips me for now. The name of the character was Weizero Assassach or Mrs. Misleading. Weizero Assassach, true to her name and nature was notorious for deliberately distorting facts often for self serving purposes but at times out of sheer habit. As for Hayat Adem, the “Eritrean Moslem Lowlander”, as much as she tries to pass as sophisticated and cosmopolitan, she is not smart enough to cover her tracks as she knows very little of Eritrea, much less of Islam and Arabic. My guess is that she is a former graduate of the Dedebit school of misinformation, the same school that gave us the likes of Selome Tadesse, the former spokesperson of the Ethiopian Ministry of Foreign Affairs during the last Ethio-Eritrean war. In case you are not aware of her, Selome is the same one who when asked by a journalist how to explain the death of so many Ethiopian soldiers at the battle of Tserona front, her reply was “how can you differentiate them from dead Eritrean soldiers”. Like Selome, distortion has become the hallmark of Hayat Adem so much that it has consumed her cyber life and her latest pronouncements are no exception. I hope, time permitting, to revisit the topic.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            It is quintessential that “EPRDF” the front party, the current “Federalism”, their “Revolutionary democracy”, and their “developmental state” to remain intact in place. And I happy for Ethiopians and EPRDF to recognize the necessity of them for the purpose of their unity and economic developmental. Their visionary leader have understood when he came with these ideological and philosophical concept for their diversified society with a history of mistrust of the “social groups” that made the current modern Ethiopian state. The reason why most of the Ethiopian social groups want to remain in place is simply because they have found that their rights to govern themselves and to revive their own cultural lives can be protected only under the current system. Good for them to exercise their rights as autonomous states under the current Federalism.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            At the end of the convention, eprdf came put with 7 points of agreement, so read it and than u will know how u r the biggest pat c.

          • Paulos

            ወንድም,

            ፈረሱና ሜዳው ላንተና እንዳንተን ኣይነት ኣስተሳሰብ ያላቸው ሰዎች ትቸዋለሁ። I am done!

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            What am saying is the new 7 points r more progressive than the past and it will be good for the whole country including tigrai. Take it easy.

      • Admassie

        Selam Fanti Ghana,

        My guess is, I don’t think Dr. Debretsion has competed, rather some, may be members of TPLF, wanted to show their protest against ato Demeke by giving their vote to some one else.

        Admassie A.

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selamat Admassie,

          I think we are all being influenced by the confusing “news” outlets leading us to see what is not there at all. As I mentioned in my response to Aligaz below, I don’t think what each member does is always ill intended.

          TPLF nominated Muferiat, ADP nominated Debretsion, and it won’t surprise me to find out that Demeke himself encouraged both.

          Anyway, it was a very successful congress with much better outcome than I hoped for.

          • Admassie

            Selam Fanti Ghana,

            You have a valid point. What matters is that EPRDF pulls itself to its sense. We need stability desperately.

            Admassie A.

  • Brhan

    Hi Awate,
    As far as I have observed there seems to be policy change by the regime with regard to the movement of Eritreans to Ethiopia.
    1. Children under certain age , most likely under 6 were allowed to posses passport. Before anyone above that age was not allowed to posses a passport , as the regime has considered him or her a potential SAWA candidate. But now children of any age are moving from the capital city Asmara and other cities and towns to Ethiopia and this without a passport.
    2. The movement also includes those who served and serving in the notorious national service. The latter ones,i.e. those who are serving, seem to be relatives of government officials and were allowed to move because of that . Corruption is now vibrant and also the regime at times can let them move as a favor for its officials had the officials asked for their sons or daughters to move to Ethiopia then to Europe or North America.
    3. In now days the movement is called by many Ngdet.

    Thanks awate for covering an on-going issue. This shows how professional your are

  • Kaddis

    Dear team Awate,

    Managing border trade for the desperate situation Ethiopia find itself doesn’t look a priority. The rapprochement is for local consumption and geopolitical catching up.
    I recommend this long read by Mehari, horn peace and security expert and learn how most of the pillars of the ruling party was shaken. A bit sympathetic for the status quo but very forward looking

    The Old EPRDF is dead…..
    https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2018/10/03/the-old-eprdf-is-dead-can-its-system-be-saved-five-steps-to-save-the-federation/

    • Paulos

      Selam Kaddis,

      Many thanks for the article. It is interesting to say the least. Hope to say more on it on the weekend. I see your ideas in it and wouldn’t be surprised if you’re the author. Just to say, well done.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear friends,
    1) Eplf built more institutions as a liberation front than Pfdj as a government
    2) Eplf had inspired its consituency better than Pfdj did though both appeal to the same constituency and the latter has better means
    3) Eplf was more predictable and state-like than Pfdj in many measurable ways.
    4) Almost all Pfdj leaders at the top are older than 65 and there is no succession plan in sight or younger generation to take over with its own agenda.
    5) If all the above statements make sense, I think, one can say Eritrea is heading to a reversed status.
    6) It looks like the current leaders exactly know what is coming in 5 to 10 yrs or maybe sooner. That is why they appear like they are trying to rehearse and cope Ethiopia.
    Of course, I admit it is more of a hunch sense than anything else but nothing else seems to explain all the recent political choices and decisions.

    • haileTG

      Hi Hayat,

      Two extra points…

      …fact is that IA only took the highest position of EPLF for only 4 years (87 – 91). Even that was under murky circumstances.

      … in a funny twist, again, EPLF is the only model/template for the future, as PFDJ is simply a wasted time with no tangible legacy to speak about (other than the colossal disaster it created). Any legacy to speak of is that derived from EPLF.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        Come on Hailat! Since selfi-nezanet, he has been the head of the organizations, be it Selfi-nezanet or ELF-PF, or EPLF, or PFDJ (including the head of their secret party). Where did you get these 4 years only (87-91)?

        • haileTG

          Hey Emma,

          So, was Romodan M N, just ceremonial?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Hailat,

            He was like a ceremonial presidents in parliamentary government from 1977-1987, when they become EPLF after Osman Saleh Sabe and his team split from them. The decider wad he and himself only.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Emma,
            I agree, he was truly ceremonial. It always was Anne Nissu, Nissu Nissu (SGJ) all the way. That was then and today.

          • Abraham H.

            Hi Hayat A, i think it was a little bit better during the eplf Ghedli time; DIA was not as absolute ruler like today, though he had considerable power even then. There was the eplf cc and, esp. the eplf politburo/executive body that had certain powers to which DIA gave an ear. They were giving him their ideas, opinions, feedbacks,, etc, and he was not as dismissive as today. Example is what Mesfin Hagos told in his recent interview with SBS radio, when he personally challenged DIA about his plans to unite with the eprdf. But nowadays, as you know, DIA doesn’t listen to anybody, only his whims rules. Today, even asking for a pfdj cc meeting is considered to be a high treason crime punishable by disappearance for life.
            The solution for our problem lies with those with guns. The top military and security leaders are as corrupt as DIA; but we need some of the lower ranking officers to defy their bosses by some miracle. If these officers could put the interests of the people before theirs and order their troops and tanks towards the power centers of the pfdj, then the matter will be over in hours. In short we need a military coup, planned and executed by benevolent lower ranking military officers. Lead the tanks and army towards Asmara, and take control of the air force, airport, mass media, as well as, of course, arresting the criminal dictator and his henchmen whereever they might be. DIA can only be removed and normalcy restored in Eritrea by force.

          • David Samson

            Selam Abe,

            To large extent, I agree with you change can ONLY come through violent means. However, I differ on the motives of top military and security leaders. If IA is removed using violence, it is only because the generals want to protect their self-interest. I do not believe they have Eritrean’s people at heart; their priory has always been to protect the ‘Wudb’ at the expense of people’s aspiration. I was not surprised when Mesfin told SBS radio people in Eritrea had Golden times (91-97). I do not know which Eritrea Mesfin is referring to; there must some unknown Eritrea, or must be living in parallel world. Having said that, I do not care their motives, but only the outcome– the removal of the tyrant.

          • Hameed Al-Arabi

            Salam Abraham H.,

            In case of military coup executed, who will hold Dr. Meddemer and his pact with Isaias in Saudi Arbia?

            Al-Arabi

          • Abraham H.

            Dear Hameed Al-Arabi, I understand your concern, I also think that time is really running away from us. DIA has already created facts on the ground by forming pacts with “Dr. Medemer” and his Gulf masters. The moment he feels insecure and his power threatened, God forbid, these extrernal forces may come to his rescue, as their interests are increasingly being tied to that of the Eritrean dictator. But at the end of the day, only the Eritrean army with the Eritrean people have the key to their problems.

  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear Awate,

    Things done without plan,the result is always full of regrets and full of disappointments, only to see the managements to fail and become useless..There are a variety of strategies that people can use to enhance their sense of personal worth and toward greatness..but not with out it depends in the system from high position…

    Self-enhancement at the level of an observed effect describes the product of the motive. . when Eritreans move for business, it could have planned and done very carefully..How can that can be in the nation like ours? No constitution and no charter..

    KS,,

    • Acria

      Selam KS,
      EdaGa EwaLA KonTu FaLa!