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PFDJ Turns to Prayers, Pastors Return to PFDJ

Every epoch in human history brings its own booming business and now, the business of Jesus Chris has become a very lucrative enterprise even the PFDJ is venturing into. And some gibberish talking, bible wielding, scriptures-flaunting and self-crowned prophets have committed themselves to working against the aspiration of the Eritrean people by aligning themselves with PFDJ. After banning and incarcerating and disappearing Pentecostal and the Jehovah witnesses for decades, PFDJ has now embraced prayers and certain pastors have embraced PFDJ.

The YPFDJ’s 14th Conference opened with these prayers: “God save us from those who work as maids, may God save us from those who relinquish their national responsibility… and may next year we gather in Massawa, amen!!”

Some Pastors, those who were supposedly called by God as one of the “minsters” of Jesus to shepherd his flock have finally abandoned their grace and embraced PFDJ by participating in the YPFDJ 2018 Conference. Pastor and NASA engineer Eritrean Fessehaye Ghezae attended the YPFDJ 2018 Conference, claiming he came there to inspire the youth and share with them that if they work hard, burn the midnight oil, they will succeed. That the sky is the limit and that he is a living proof of a humble beginning who rose to the pinnacle or his story from rags to riches if you want to use a tired cliché. Nothing that Tony Robins or the books of the late Dr. Wayne Dyer could not tell them, but still all good and noble assertions. Noble words in the midst of an ignoble company. Maybe as a disciple of Jesus Christ he did it out of love and that engineer Ghezae was called to help the YPFD victims, that mere mortals like me cannot fathom. But unlike his high priest, we did not hear him say, they do not know what they are doing, forgive them, we did not hear him cast their demons, we did not hear him telling them that Jesus was their savor, we did not hear him praying for the Eritrean journalist, pastors, elders, and leaders languishing in Ela-Ero and dying in the high seas and victims of human traffickers.

The Kidnapped Eritrean Youth:

I am  generally very critical of the diaspora YFDJ  and have called them names, horrible names, albeit befitting their character: despite their opportunities their countries offer them to know better, despite the educational opportunities that they have, despite the human rights they enjoy, the dignity they cherish, they have sided with the PFDJ, an entity that has inflicted untold suffering according to the testimonial of hundreds of Eritreans, an entity that has been accused of modern slavery and gross human right violation befitting a referral  to the Hague. But lately, I have become sympathetic with the diaspora YPFDJ as it occurred to me that, like their brethren in Eritrea, they too, have been kidnapped. Whereas those in Eritrea are physically kidnapped from their warm homes and bosom of their beloved parents and family to Sawa at the tender age of 17 and younger, and since the PFDJ is unable to kidnap diaspora youth physically; they have opted to kidnap them emotionally and intellectually and hence, their perpetual allegiance to their tormentors, the tormentors of their brethren, their willingness of obedience to dogma.

In the latest YPFDJ Conference, the attendants called at the top of their lungs, EPLF፡ EPLF፡ EPLF, Yes, YES, EPLF today, EPLF tomorrow and EPLF yesterday! They summoned it with force and with all they might, conjuring surreal images of an anguished parent calling on a dead child and when the child fails to answer, the parent console themselves that the child is in a better place, in heaven. The PFDJ through the YPFDJ, undaunted, and subconsciously admitting that EPLF has gone to its eternal repose, it is in a better place, they invoked its omnipotence: “EPLF you are everywhere you have been spotted in Washington DC, New York, you have braved Sweden’s snow, while others panted in the scorching heat; you have emerged in Lagos and Sena’a, even in their belly, in Addis Ababa and planet Mars will be in your reach tomorrow.  A “YPFDJness” donning “Zurya” and a sparkling Bisha gold, roamed the entire globe from Beijing to North Korea’s capital, as if to sear in the minds of the gathered that while EPLF is long dead, supplanted by YPFDJ, it is watching you, it is not here, but it is not dead either, like Elijah and Enoch it has ascended to the heavens,  it is looking down at you, and by looking down I mean both watching you and is disgusted at you.

In the dramatic scene where a diaspora father is indoctrinating his son, brags about spending sleepless nights online to fight the enemies of Eritrea abroad and goes to work in the morning with only a few hours’ sleep. The son asks why does Eritrea have so many enemies and the father replies because we refuse to kneel down. The drama decries the welfare recipients in the diaspora for abandoning their country, though the PFDJ does not shy away from dutifully collecting the 2% tax from welfare recipients and those performing the honorable maid jobs. Their action is reminiscent of the hypocrites that Jesus bluntly called the outwardly emasculate Pharisees and despite their clean garment and touting Godly words that they are rotten from inside. And that is what these pastors who are embracing PFDJ are doing by invoking the noble words or what author Napoleon Hills calls the “Laws of Success”

Eritreans, pray with me:  May God save us from those who relinquish their responsibility of shepherding the flock and instead flock to PFDJ, may God save us from those who invoke the words of the Lord in the house of worship but inwardly harbor affection of the devil incarnate instead of casting him out of our youth who have been possessed by him.

Also Pastor Fessehaye Ghezai pray with me, the Holy Spirit just spoke with me and to me: “Vershit lamtoke frrefet maltook, aykerus srvertetd chamramaa”: (translation: you will cast demons in my name, you will heal the sick in my name, you will perform miracles s in my name, but I will say to you that I do not know you).

Also, Pastor, I really hope the YPFDJ members heed your call so they can be a success story for Eritrea like you as they march from rags to riches, but also since you promised to meet them again, please do not  forget to tell them to  go from riches to rags like Jesus, our savor did when he descended from the Kingdom and was born in the barn for our sake and endured humiliation for our salvation. The diaspora YPFDJ should also try to relinquish their riches and try the rags in Sawa and brave the scorching heat of Dankalia. Thank you and God Bless You.

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  • blink

    Dear awate forum
    Can these names indicate anything?
    The 16 new and rotated ministers are:
    1) Mottuma Mekasa (OPDO) – Minister of Defence. Previous post, Minister of Mining.
    2) Siraj Fegessa (SEPDM) – Minister of Transport. Previous post, Minister of Defence.
    3) Shiferaw Shigute (SEPDM) – Minister of Agriculture and Livestock. Previous post, Head of EPRDF Secretariat a.k.a. Democracy Coordination Center.
    4) Ahmed Shide (ESPDP) – Head of Government Communication Affairs Office. Previous post, Minister of Transport.
    5) Berhanu Tsegaye (OPDO) – Attorney General. Previous post, deputy head of OPDO Secretariat.
    6) Hirut Woldemariam (SEPDM) – Minister Labor and Social Affairs. Previous post, Minister of Culture and Tourism.
    7) Teshome Toga (SEPDM) – Minister of Public Enterprise. Previous post, Ethiopia’s Ambassador Plenipotentiary to European Union.
    8/ Umer Husien (OPDO) – Revenue and Customs Authority with ministerial rank. Previous post, vice president of Oromia region.
    9) Ubah Mohamed (ESPDP) – Minister of ICT. Previous post, dep. Commissioner of EHRC.
    10) Ambachew Mekonen (ANDM) – Minister of Industry. Previous post, Minister of Urban Development.
    11) Fozia Amin (OPDO) – Minister of Culture and Tourism.
    12) Zanterar Abay (ANDM) – Minister of Urban Developement and Housing. Previous post, Amhara region cabinet member.
    13) Meles Alemu (SEPDM) – Minister of Mining and Energy. Previous post, deputy President of SNNP region.
    14) Yalem Tsegaye (TPLF) – Minister of Women & Children. Previous post, administrator of eastern Tigray zone.
    15) Melaku Alebel (ANDM) – Minister of Trade.
    16) Amir Aman (ANDM) – Minister of Health. Previous post, State Minister of Health

    Is the Amde and others man disappoint people like saay and hayat?

    • Selam blink,

      A new defense minister, a new federal police commissioner, a new director general of METEC, Abadula Gemeda the national security advisor, and with a tplf person rarely appearing in 16-member cabinet may mean something. PMAA seems assertive and may even be saying that things are changing, when he puts maladministration and corruption as his red lines.

      What i do not know is if changes are going to occur in the military and security as well, which is going to be decisive. Some generals should go home on pension and new ones should come in mainly from the other three parties, thus correcting the lopsided assignment of tplf military and security officers up to now.

      • blink

        Dear Horizon
        I mean he is trying to shake up things ,I think he must wait little on the corruption thing because that can crush his spinal cords and it will be too early for many . The first order must be solving the urgent once like economic activity for the youth and also the hard currency issue is squeezing the poor. The third I think is assessing the Qero guys , I mean they are watching if he can move to the military because they think the security apparatuses is much to blame for every blood.

      • Amde

        Selam Horizon,

        The METEC one is big.. it had become a channel to transfer unbelievable sums of money to cronies and relatives under the guise of subcontracts. It is not just the new DG is a civilian, but also major METEC contracts were cancelled and will be submitted to formal competitive tender to international companies. A lot of people had stopped caring about the Hedase dam because most major contracts were awarded to METEC, who couldn’t deliver in time, and thus tarnished this very important national project as nothing more than a corruption gravy train. Since it was a military run institution I suspect it also goes some distance into explaining the unreal numbers of Tigrayans promoted to General rank.

        Amde

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Horizon,

        All the cabinets in the list looks the same cabinets of PMHD excepts they are reshuffled. What the Ethiopian should expect now is rather how the new PM will make them effective in fighting corruptions. His styles matters. Again with his charming personalities, one hopes, the Ethiopian people will rally under his leadership.

        • Paulos

          Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

          You’re way ahead and far mature than the people here who get excited when they see practically no Tigrean with in the cabinet. PMAA elected the cabinet members based on merit and competency not based on ethnicity. Farthere more, no motor, no car on his part was spot on. And that is the cruel reality.

          If there are more Tigrean Generals within the army, they certainly have earned it. They were maiming, bleeding and dying when the bunch of whiners were doing Masters, Ph.Ds and making money either in Europe or North America.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Paulos,
            Dr. Abiy has been sending signs that his yardstick would be merit and competence. I could sense from reading the list in fact that was the case. It is worth anticipating that he will continue in the same manner and make a difference.

          • Paulos

            Selam Kbur Haw Ismail AA,

            I absolutely agree. My problem is with those people who have some sort of distorted reading about the new development where they insinuate that PMAA is there chunk out Tigrean officials. Wrong, wrong and wrong. Gen. Samora maybe on his way out due to an old age and it shouldn’t come as a surprise if say, Gen. SeAre takes over for he is super qualified for the post.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Ismailo & Dr Paulos,

            These Cabinets are a reshuffled cabinet of PMHD cabinet. What different yardstick of merits and competence did you notice from the yardstick of PMHD? Did I miss something any from your observations? I don’t think reshuffling is changing the yardstick. What we will wait and see is, him as a “motor engine” to use his metaphor or “state engine” could run the government smoothly and effectively. If the cabinet are the same cabinet of PMHD then the “waiting changes” all depend on him how to make them effective and productive. Some leaders could do that by changing the working disciplines. We hope PMAA will be one of them.

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I am not sure if I can draw some sort of compare and contrast between PMHD and the current ones. As you said it, they were selected based on merit and competence where the new sfift was actually started with PMHD.

            One glaring difference I could infer is the difference between Meles’ rather authocratic tendencies including his Cabinet Ministers’ inability to make an independent decision and current Ministers with a considerable leeway to exercise autonomy.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Aman H.

            Sorry, I saw your question now. You are correct that the measure taken is by and large reshafling. But under the circumstances existing one cannot anticipate drastic changes. We all know AA is interim PM who has to oversee the completion of HD’s tenure. My indicator at this stage is his move to change the occupant of the defense portofolio. Moreover, the distribution of the functions seem to reflect merit and expertise. Of course I cannot describe the resumes of each one. Perhaps brothers like Amde could be better placed to enlighten us on these personalities. The best out of Dr. Abiy’s tenure would objectively be awaited if he will win the next election and reinforced mandate that will bring with it.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,
            ኣይግድን። My masters was when the fighters just entered the capitals, my other few years after. Phewww!!!! Are you okay Paul? I am not necessarily talking about me. Pushing the rhetoric won’t help. Go online and admire the paintings of Louis Agassis Fuertes, one the greatest American animal painters after Audubon, who at the turn of the century went to Abyssinia and painted wildlife, some of which I have been placing on my Avatar.

          • Paulos

            Hailat Hawey,

            Ma guarda un po! ይብሉ ጥልያን. You’re right I should calm down. And will check out the paintings. You’re the best!

        • Selam Amanuel H.,

          That the new cabinet is partly a reshuffled cabinet, should not be a problem really, in my opinion. I think that it is (should be) a collection of a group of like-minded people, over whom, as the pm tells us indirectly, he has the power to fire them anytime he thinks that there is the problem of maladministration and corruption, without being afraid of its consequences. If he could tap into their positive brain power and mobilize it, and they are ready to do their best, he could succeed.

          PMAA’s government is the result of mass uprising by the young. Too much is expected of it. He is walking a tight political rope, with people ready to undermine his government even from within the opdo (no one should rule out), let alone from other corners. He should control the hawks and satisfy the doves. A difficult job, really. He is young and charismatic, as you said (i really like that), not part of the old establishment, and i expect that if he falls, he will fall fighting and not reconciling with the status quo.

          I believe that tplf has a lot of explanation to do, especially to the people of tigray. It seems that there is a big dissatisfaction, not because it is losing power at the center, but mainly because the people of tigray are blamed by some for no reason at all, because of the actions of tplf. I expect a sort of internal shakeup within tplf, with the old guards going home and new blood, who are not part of the old tplf, taking over and forming a new party with a new name. Unfortunately, the old tplf still portrays itself as a liberation front, an insult to the people of ethiopia, when a liberation front that rules a country still wants to liberate its region and secede from the country it rules. An arrogant behavior, really.

          Finally, i hope that all opposition parties who want to function under the constitution come back home, and we will not see again the shameful meto-be-meto.
          Regards.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Horizon and thanks for your interesting comments. When either private banks are allowed to operate, when telecommunications is privatized, or when the military and security apparatus is no longer controlled by the TPLF, will I then start to buy into the idea that real Government reform is taking place in Ethiopia. Otherwise, it still appears that Ethiopia is struggling with a form of disctatorship which people like to label as ‘incremental democracy’, for which it certainly is not. Look at who are the richest people in Ethiopia are these days, to include a women (AM) as the single richest asides the Sheik and one understands what an economically opportunistic dictatorship means. Is the form of dictatorship in Ethiopia any better than the evil one in Asmara? It is certainly richer!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi FishMilk,

            Leaving political issue aside, I do not agree that the government should privatize Telecom and banking.

            It’s IMF and the world bank push way to control the countries. I think MZ really does deserve the credit for resisting that long and HD following through.

            You know they focus on these two industry primarily because it’s the two area which are cash cow that creates a lot of profit for the government to finiance the other sectors.

            I find it ironic they don’t mention other industry like power generation and distribution or the airline industry if their focus is on privatization and helping the country.

            Why always at the banks and Telecom?

            Berhe

          • FishMilk

            hi Berhe Y and thanks for your comments. What you are saying supports Socialism and not democracy. Had Ethiopia long ago privatized its banking system, it would now not be faced with a critical shortage of hard currency. I see PM Abiyhas recently made a pationate appeal to rich Ethiopians abroad, to bring hard currency deposits back to Ethiopia. PM Abiy has indicated that Ethiopia will face a critical hard currency deficit for the next 15-to-20 years.

          • Amde

            Selam FishMilk,

            Banking is private. It is jut not open to foreigners.

            And I am not sure how making it open to foreigners fixes the problem of capital flight. Makes it worse probably.

            Amde

          • FishMilk

            Hi Amde. Thanks for your comment. Certainly, should international private banks had been allowed to operate in Ethiopia, many people such as large private investors would have chosen to leave hard currency accounts in Ethiopia, as they would have no fear (as is currently the case with Ethiopian banks) in being able to quickly transfer their money out of the country if needed. Extremely bad investment business loans effected through the Commercial Bank of Ethiopia over the years, especially those made for investment projects implemented in tandem with TPLF/Government partnership, has had a severe negative effect on federal/Government cash balance sheets.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear FishMilk,

            If you are to come to conclusion by simply stating this is “socialism and not democracy” without really giving it a thought then there isn’t much to discuss.

            If you call it protectionism, them it’s appropriate I think, but all major economies did it at some point or another until they developed their own economies and are able to have series competition. For example, the reason why the US used different electrical system, auto system etc is to protect their economy and local markets.
            India is democratic country but I took almost 50 years to open up, until it took time to develop its labour force and skill set.

            Banking is just funny business that has no real tangible value that those who control the money supply (the west) have always advantage over you no matter what. They have no problem getting hard currency where all other countries are forced to buck it up with real tangible products.

            Ethiopia should look into many ways to raise capital for example, government bonds (so many Ethiopians can move their 401 K if they get more guaranteed return ), like it’s doing with industrial park to increase exports, invest infrastructure to increase tourism, buy other companies in the west to learn the know how for the finished products (e.g. Instead of just shipping leather to Portugal or Italy but buy an Italian or Portugal leather manufacturing company) and control the whole end to end process, expand Ethiopian airlines in operating vacation packages in Africa etc.

            The main advantage Ethiopia has,
            1) it has a lot of resources
            2) it owns its destiny (only Ethiopians live in Ethiopia) no others like Indians, white, Jews, or Arabs (as in majority or in charge of the blood line (lije economy, business etc)
            3) it has huge young labour force that it can manufacture anything cheaper
            4) it has huge diaspora population that can actively engage in the economy
            5) its strategically located to attract investment from Far East and Europe
            6) other areas such as medical tourism with large Ethiopian medical doctors in diaspora Ethiopian airlines frequent flights

            The main thing is, its needs peace and let the people explore their real potential and the government needs to enable it.

            Berhe

          • FishMilk

            Hi Berne Y. You should work for Ethiopia’s NTO, and at the same time, you can promote Ethiopian Socialism. You forgot a couple little things: 1) Ethiopia is the most populated country in the world without a sea port, and 2) Unlike Eritrea, a significant amount of Ethiopia’s land is now under foreign investor purview. On the side, can you believe how many Chinese their are in Ethiopia these days? A China Town has sprung up in the Bole Rwanda area. They are even growing Carp Fish at the entrance of their restaurants.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear FM,

            I wasn’t comparing with Eritrea, but since you brought it up, Eritrea too has huge potential, even in better position to develop quickly, due to its huge diaspora population, small population, strategic location and huge tourism opportunities and mineral and other resources.

            Thanks for engaging.

            Berhe

          • Selam FishMilk,
            There is a difference between what one wishes and what one achieves at last. The two may/may not coincide. Nevertheless, hope is the last thing that dies in human spirit, and ethiopians are hoping to achieve what they miss. Nothing wrong with that. We should give time to the pm and see. It is too early to speak of reform and success.

            There are qualitative and quantitative differences between the two governments. When the eritrean regime is on the autopilot for almost three decades without constitution, elections, people are incarcerated and disappear into the thin air without a single case of release from prison, young eritreans and even children are forced to flee their country and become refugees, the whereabout of the income from the gold mine is unknown to eritreans and the economy is in a free fall, no signs of economic development, etc, one cannot really speak of equal value dictatorship in both countries.

            One should appreciate what ethiopians are doing to fight the “rich dictatorship” as you called it, by trying to change it through their sacrifice, compared to eritrea, where it seems that people have accepted their fate, of course against their wish. There lies the big difference.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Horizon and thanks for your interesting comments. The PIA/PFDJ regime is like a terrible protracted nightmare. However, there are more similarities than differences between it and the TPLF; HR-128 is a long overdue testament to this fact. One day I will awake from this terrible nightmare to hear news that PIA and the PFDJ has been overthrown by a more friendly force. When that time comes, it will not mean an end to national service, it will not mean that commercial flights will be restored between Addis Ababa and Asmara, and it will certainly not translate into normalized relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Why? Because Ethiopia will still be illegally occupying Eritrean land.

          • Selam FishMilk,
            Please, do not say that it is impossible, for there is nothing impossible under the sun. As pia/pfdj will one day be replaced for sure, suppose that they are replaced by a young, progressive and charismatic eritrean politician (you see, it is the vogue nowadays, if you look around: canada, france, ethiopia, even the previous usa president, let us leave out the far-right austrian leader who is only 27 yrs old….), and the new eritrean leader in his inaugural speech says, “first and foremost is the eritrean people, we can wait to solve the land issue in the future for the land will go nowhere (that famous 180 sq.mile of land for which the whole of eritrea is suffering), let’s rebuild our relations with all our neighbors including ethiopia. As of the first day of the next month the border will open, national service will be only 18 months, there will be a daily flight between asmara and addis, there will be electricity connection with ethiopian electricity grid, the constitution will be implemented, etc, etc.”. Do you still say that it is impossible, out of the question, God forbid……

            If one thinks that eritreans would lament pounding their chests, they would be utterly mistaken, except of course regime supporters. On the contrary, they will ululate and rejoice, and they will say a new day is beginning for eritrea, and eritrea is coming out of the deep freeze under pia/pfdj.

            If the future government of eritrea has similar policies with pia/pfdj, then, it is still a pia/pfdj regime.

          • FishMilk

            Hi Horizon. Sorry, but to treat Badme as inconsequential and trivial as you have just done, simply contradicts the very reason as to why Ethiopia still continues their illegal occupation. There is absolutely nothing from preventing Ethiopia from withdrawing from Badme at any time other than its disingenuous and scheming intent to use Badme as a bargaining chip to gain preferential Red Sea access. An evil PIA/PFDJ dictatorship should never ever be confused with Ethiopia’s illegal occupation of Eritrean land; an act of war in itself, and ample reason for Ethiopia’s subjugation under U.N. Security Council sanctions.

          • blink

            Dear Fishmilk
            Well said ,but you may not know this Horizon is the better seed here because all these weyane goons in this forum are not interested in sovereignty of Eritrea. At least the guy isn’t one of these who wanted to see blood shed in the streets of Asmara. Weyane are waiting Eritrea to explode just like Somalia. They vehemently wanted this to happen even some advocated for regional military take on . Here people are bitter and have no clue what they say. Ethiopian government is the abuser and bullying party in this but thanks to weyane hash money many Eritreans are betting for weyane to win over this land and sea.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam FishMilk,
            .
            Boy, FishMilk, this is what I took from your transactions with Berhe H. and Horizon.
            You started with your generous advice of “privatization” of Banks and telecommunication. The desirability of removing TPLFites from the Military and security forces to usher in Democracy for Ethiopia.
            .
            Slowly it evolved in to threats, Badme you declared, is the most important real estate in Eritrea. Without which Eri. will continue the national service after PIA, no commercial flights between Addis and Asmara plus no normalization.
            .
            In the same tone and language, I could just say O.K then fine, see you later and witness blink go ballistic.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • blink

            Dear Horizon
            Are you suggesting EPRDF election in the past 26 years as election? There was no election or what so ever but it was an insult to all Ethiopians

          • Selam blink,
            Yes, up to now elections in ethiopia were not free and fair, hence the infamous meto-be-meto. Nevertheless, the ethiopian people were not told by their leader to go to the moon if they want elections. There lies the difference.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear blink,

      We can Waite sometime and see if this group will do their job in peaceful manner. For me, I am optimistic they will but let us Waite and we can say..

      KS,,

  • Ismail AA

    Selam fellow Awatistas,

    Throughout the past few days many have spent time and energy on debating Amanuel Sahle’s report on what a young Eritrean lady (girl) had said about her success to cross the dangerous border between Eritrea and Ethiopia. From my perspective I could not understand why the issue was so much relevant to us in this forum to deserve that amount of time and energy. I am not refuting the irksomeness of the matter to one’s taste; I am just saying that such ugly slurs exist across cultures and social set ups, and only social and cultural transformation would resolve them as some have rightly argued because many of them are rooted in socio-economic status in societies. In my view, discussing them in space of this forum would not provide solace to anyone to any degree.

    This being said, thus, I am proposing here to let us look at Amanuel Sahle and his intellectual depth through one of his writings: an article he posted to Togoruba.org. After skillfully laying down dialectically how contradictions in phenomena operate at different phases of organic and inorganic structures, he relates them to political structural formations. The salient point he emphasizes is that everything carries within itself contradictions that could end up to undo its existence. He argues that the formation of Eritrea as a polity, and through its existence ever since and up to and including its current condition under the regime, cannot be understood in isolation of the general trend or phenomena of beginning, growth and demise The point he stressed is that the relationship of the regime and the internal internal contradictions carries and the failure of the opposition to pick them and churn them in to coherent theoretical platforms that can sharpen them and cause an end the regime.

    Thus, here is the paragraph that sums up Amanuel Sahle’s thoughts:

    “ኣብ ሓደ ስነ ሓሳብ ወይ ቅርጺ ዘለዉ መሰረታውያንን ባህርያውያንን ተቓረንቲ ወይ ኣፍረስቲ ሓይልታት፡ ናብ ሓሳባትን መትከላትን ቀዪርካ ተቓውሞኻ ቅድሚ ምብጋስ፡ ናይ ኣእምሮ ኣድማ ወይ ኣእምሮኣዊ ሽፍትነት ክትርዕም ግድን እዩ። ኩሉ ተቓውሞ ድማ ብኣእምሮኣዊ ምእዳም እዩ ንጥፈታቱ ዚጅምሮ። ኣብ ኤርትራ እንተ ተመልከትና፡ እዚ ሕጂ ዘሎ ስርዓትን ቅርጹን በቶም ኣብ ጕዕዞኡ ኣብ ውሽጡ እተኸሰቱ ተቓረንቲ ሓይልታት ዘቕቢቡ እዩ። ከም ሓቂ ድማ ዛጊት ኪወድቕን ኪበታተንን ነይሩዎ። ይኹን ‘ምበር፡ እቲ ኣብቲ ውሽጢ ስርዓት ኮይኑ ብድጉል መገዲ ዝማዕበለ ተቓራኒ ሓይልታት በቶም ተቓወምቲ ደንበታት ከም ሓሳባት ወይ መትከላት ኮይኑ ናብ ሓያልን ወሳንን ተቓውሞ ኪትርጎም ኣይከኣለን። ስለዚ፡ እቲ ስርዓት ምስቶም ዝኣከቦምን ዕንወት ከስዕበሉ ዚኽእሉን ተቓራኒ ሓይልታት ኮይኑ ዋኒኑ ብምክያድ፡ ገለ ኸይኮነ ይቕጽል ኣሎ። ዚቕጽል ዘሎ ግን፡ ብናቱ ጥበብ ወይ ብናቱ ሓይሊ ዘይኮነስ፡ ብሰንኪ ናይቶም ንተቓረንቲ ሓይልታት ናብ ሓሳባትን መትከላትን ለዊጦም ኪነጥፉን ኪቃለሱን ዘይከኣሉ ተቃወምቲ ውድባት እዩ።” (Amanuel Sahle: “ውሽጣዊ ተቓራኒ ሓይሊ (dialectics of growth)”, 18 April 2018.

  • Paulos

    Selam Amde,

    They [The people who hail from Awraja Agame] own a strong work ethic not to mention they are business savvy as well.

    Last time I was in Ethiopia, I drove through Adi-Grat and on my way back to Meqelle, I drove through Tembien, Abi-Adi and Hagere-Selam as well and the people that I met couldn’t have been more dignified, respectful and nicer. As it happened, earlier today, I was looking in the net if there is any meaning to the word “Agame” and Wiki says, in Gee’z, “Agame” means “Fruitful.” That certainly tells more about the proud people of Agame and their strong sense of work ethic as well.

  • Tedla

    Selam Amde,

    I suspect most people in this forum have read Abraham Verghese’s Cutting for Stone. Here is a line from that book:

    ‘When he needed extra hands at [the Hospital] .., he would simply step out of the front gate and yell “Gurage”, though of late, that could be seen as insulting, so it was safer to shout “Coolie!” ‘.

    As I remember the book, that part of the story is circa 1945. It’s pretty likely that the word “Gurage” itself was derogatory at some point in the nation’s history. With time, of course, society overcomes its prejudices, gets more ethical (on the aggregate) and adjusts its norms for the better. The more open the society, the better the correction. However, bad apples will always persist.

    This reminded me of a personal encounter which is only tangentially related. An acquaintance of mine once told me and others that Gurages are routinely referred to cheats (ሌባ was the word he used) in his native Gondar. It was a surprise for me and some others around the table – that was the first and last time I heard anything like that. Anyways some time later, he said he was in a bind, and he asked me if I could lend him a couple thousand dollars, which I did. Few months have passed, and I asked for my money (I think you can see where the story is heading). Amazingly, he told me he doesn’t remember borrowing any money from me. This, even after I showed him the copy of the check deposit I made to his account.

    He smeared an entire group of people as cheats, but apparently, he was the one who was pretty good at it. The irony was lost on him, or maybe he didn’t care.

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam tedla
      Actually some gondera told me about a place called ” tigrai mechaye” in the outskirts of gonder.(it has history with the name).
      I don’t even think gondre knows anything about gurages at that time.

      • Haile S.

        Selam Teodros Alem,
        I suspect your friend might have talked about ‘tigrr’ie meChohya’ ትግሬ መጮህያ’. This story was told by a french traveller to Abyssinia in the 1860s about that place located at the northern outskirt of Gonder. When Ras Michael S’Hul (ራስ ሚካኤል ስሑል), a Ras from Tigray entered Gonder and became the de-facto leader of Abyssinia, he asked one of the city’s notables why was that hill called tigrrie meChohya (ትግሬ መጮህያ)? And the person answered, my lord it was to prevent people like your highnesses to enter the city unannounced.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam haile s
          It is called tigray mechohya, not tigra.
          Yes the history behind the name is to prevent people from tigray to enter the city unannounce and they have to gather there and got permission before entry.
          The reasons r migrants because of poverty.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Teodros,
            I am not sure if it was necessarily related to poverty. In any case, from my understanding, it refers to any tigrie (ትግሬ), not limited to what we call tigray now. I told the story from its historical, irony and crunchy aspect, and it is one of many stories that Guillaume Lejean put in his recital of his voyage in Abyssinia.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam haile s
            The name still used(unofficially) to locate the place and that kind of practice was there untill 1960s ec
            And it’s related to poverty migrant from tigrai and by the time eritrea used to be a honeymoon vacation destination and trade partner of gonder. How do i know that? ….l know.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Teodros,
            We may not need to drag this unncessarily, but Tigrai does not have the privilege of poverty, it existed and exists in Eritrea as well. I know very well in Eritrea there are many areas that do not produce enough; therefore people move during the winter to areas that have enough food, for example areas with beles (በለስ) and go back to their villages when it is time to collect their harvest.
            Thanks

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam haile s
            The place called tigray mechoye(u can ask) and never heard beles as a food of gonder.

    • Selam Tedla,

      What i know about the gurage people is that they are hard-working, business-minded, frugal and tied to their villages (their roots).

      I remember three things for which the gurage people were teased for:
      – About super: “why would anybody eat super, if he is not going to work and he is going to sleep”
      – About eritrea: when dictator mhm was shouting at the top of his voice, “”ኤርትራ አትሸትም”, they would say “why not if she is going to bring good money?”.
      – Homesickness: they would not miss going back to their villages every meskel celebration, if possible. People would poke fun at them again and say “ አዋሽ ልትበላኝ፣ አገረ ሳልገባ፣ ቆጭዬን ሳልበላ፣”.

      May be the writer made the words coolie and gurage synonymous, as one used to think of a “listro” in connection with gurages, because it is said that usually these two are the first jobs they hold before they ascend the ladder of bigger business.

      About the swindler, fortunately a far away relative, i better not say anything. You see, one can choose a friend, but not a relative. Sometimes, relatives are unavoidable burden.

  • Selamat anta AAsha AAnsebetay Amde EEide,

    Hamasien Agamame kulom Hade.

    Beh ye Japan Misso soup ye Esa wetet OIL know. besides ezza das iGib iEirib isem kab demeQet nsu nweyane weyaai ysraH tSeba AAsa kheA nayy zeyti OIL malet iyu.

    Connect the four, ino amin;)

    tSAtSE

  • MS

    Tha game of the “A” word
    All societies harbor some prejudices against “others.” Each group of Eritrean society also does harbor some prejudices against what it perceives an outsider. Prejudices subside at times of peace and get reinvigorated at times of hostilities. Political leaders and the elite class of each group, nation, or a country use biases, stereotyping and other preconceived beliefs as raw materials that stoke war, by stimulating latent primordial feelings.
    Every responsible person has the responsibility of educating his fellow citizens, and humanity at large.
    Why are we stuck in this debate?
    1. There is a tension between the two peoples created by the same politicians and elite class who told us yesterday we were brothers. It is not a typical tension that exists between adjacent social groups. This is a war that had consumed around 100,000 souls. That beast (war) is still rumbling and grueling, yet to consume more lives.
    2. Tigray leaders openly declared on breaking the backbone of Eritreans. They continue trying different strategies to do that. They ridiculed, mocked, denigrated “Eritreans,” we know they mean our Tigrigna compatriots. But when a war is declared against any sector of our people, it is a war declared against all of us.
    While I’m aware of the history of the relations of the two Tigrignas (Ethiopian and Eritrean), as a man who hails from the lowland, I could not fully appreciate the salient properties about this long-running feud and how it has been expressed throughout history. But I know this: I know the difference between discussing this “grievance” for educational and enlightenment purpose and when it is instrumentalized, in its exaggerated scheme, to demonize a nation, and a people. Amanuel Sahle’s consecutive articles, dealing with Eritrean arrogance “tmkiHti” should be seen in this grand narrative. The implication is that Eritreans have not embraced the opposition because of their view that the opposition is related to Tigray. The other implicit message that goes a bit farther is that Tigray is civilized; Eritreans refused to consume its ideologies because they feel superior.
    4. We need to move away from defensive postures and see things within their broad scheme. Amanuel Sahle is not criticized because he tried to educate us about prejudices, and we are not saying prejudices don’t exist. We are just saying: don’t politicize it. If you want to criticize prejudices, start with yourself (don’t talk about Eritreans in the third voice), and then include the Wayane elite’s war on Eritrean identity, an elite class that has been pursuing the destruction of Eritrean society on a POLICY LEVEL. I think the most lethal consequences are those policies pursued by a government. Societal attitudes could be corrected through education and exposure to others. But policies pursued by a government lead to war and destruction. We have experienced this fact.

    • Peace!

      Selam MS,

      “Amanuel Sahle is not criticized because he tried to educate us about prejudices, and we are not saying prejudices don’t exist. We are just saying: don’t politicize it. If you want to criticize prejudices, start with yourself (don’t talk about Eritreans in the third voice), and then include the Wayane elite’s war on Eritrean identity, an elite class that has been pursuing the destruction of Eritrean society on a POLICY LEVEL” can’t agree more. እዚ ድርቕ ኢልካ ንሐደ ውልቀሰብ ምክልኻል regardless of its implication on the opposition camp only shows we are in a serious despair.

      Peace!

    • Selamat MaHmuday the best Saleh,

      Ali; Jonathan Eig page 500… tuned in Phila Zagra Vs Miami … iRocky X

      tSAtSE

    • iSem

      Hi Mahmud;
      I think u wrote this comment after drinking fresh,cold halib gemel. I could tell because it is all healthy without excess fat.
      I also say that even even if every Gebre or Kerar is bigoted society can function and have healthy relationship but if the leaders employ bigotry as u said depending on the prevailing peace or war then that becomes a problem
      If u think my comment is crisp and unusually coherent and exceptionally lucid it is because as of a few hours ago, I have checked my self into a rehab (ተሓድሶ) to help my self from becoming a Troll

      • iSem,

        rehab wuHiduka ayerHibelka

        Ali Kumbaye … the best kumbaye… kab trols yedHinena kabti nata wella nay Hamata. Da best ARHIBO!

        tSAtSE

  • QOLA

    selam HOPE
    About a week ago or something you said you left this forum for good while threating SG “SEE YOU IN KEREN” bla bla .what makes you come back now or you just thought 2 weeks is damn to long people ain’t gonna remember what you have said. ?please i beg you don’t bring bilen or keren in to this forum.we are here like saying A’shas Xibuk alo ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,…I doubt you’re not bilen but if you’re this fits you ‘NeBenta ha’Sis Tiretek.

  • Haile S.

    Selam Hope,
    Alow me to interject in your issue with SGJ. You have a lot of ideas to contribute in this forum. If you could calm or freeze the exchanges with SGJ, it would leave a lot of space for those ideas to be exposed and appreciated.
    Now going to the anthropologists; these guys, travellers and mssioners have their biases in treating with their subjects for their own benefits. Some missioners and travellers who stayed and travelled further to the south of Abyssinia use to say that the people of Enaria (I believe the Wellega and Keffa regions) were more intelligent than others. If they educate some ethnic group more than others, if one ethnic group resist to their teachings more than others, of course they will see differences, but the differences in their eyes will be based on their own criteriaI. I believe everybody’s potential is equal. Differences that develop all depend’s on so many factors. I have no problem if blin claim/ed are more intelligent. I hope the next eritrean president will be from them, provided that he/she sees us equally and use IQ to solve the issues. We had great people from many ethnic groups in Eritrea, please visit http://www.ehrea.org. one of them, I believe is a blin. Aba Teklemaryam Semharay Selim, a prominent Geez scholar among other things. He wrote many books in geez including letter writing. We should celebrate this great Aba for what his IQ produced.
    Best

  • Saleh Johar

    Hi Amde,
    Two of my high school teachers were from Tigrai: biology and geography. My geography teacher was classy–always in a three-peace suit even if it was burning hot. The biology teacher was a very humble country boy–both were national service teachers. So, they were the first who exposed me to the Tigrai accent–I cannot tell from which region, but the geography teacher could have been from the region that gets all the derogatory remarks. Of course, with time I became very familiar with the accent but being an Eritrean, I always had that prejudice towards the accent in question. And I have to admit in the early nineties I sat with a branch manager of a bank and we were discussing stuff. Then he started to use his calculator and think loudly: 100 times 6 time 4% will be…. that will be a ration of 1 to 6, etc… he kept saying that in an accent to which I was not familiar in a financial/banking environment.

    So, decades later, I am embarrassed to admit that I couldn’t control myself and I laughed. It was very embarrassing and I looked through the window to the street below and made up a story, an excuse that I saw something funny. To this day I pinch myself for being that ignorant. But believe me, it was impulsive. Most of us have that have though many have not faced the demons within themselves. I did and I hope I cured myself fully of that malady.

    • Amde

      Gash Saleh,

      God bless you.. What would the world be like without some juvenile humor.

      Now, you should have heard him later that evening, telling his friends about the weird accent of the Kerenite who strolled into his office. haha..

      To be honest, as insults go, the “Agame” one is weird to me, because it basically does not exist as an insult in Ethiopia, and all it is is just the name of an awraja. I asked my father about it many years ago. He explained that it originated in Eritrea, because the people from Agame are generally enterprising (as opposed to your typical other highland conservative lot), and so they were open to travelling to the relatively urbane Asmara, and engage in any trade that would make a buck. It was their willingness to do the dirty or menial work that earned them the name – sort of like the Mexicans in the US today.

      When I was very young in Addis, the equivalent would be the Gurage. Some of the best joke genres would be on Gurages (and some of the best Gurage jokes are told by the Gurages themselves.) I guess there was maybe a time when being called “gurage” would have been considered an insult, but in my time, that had pretty much disappeared.

      Amde

  • blink

    Dear Hope
    What’s wrong with you? Are you joking? If yes ,please put smiling face after the IQ and Jew thing .
    And I can’t believe you keep SG on this circuit. Leave him alone because I believe we all need this man in a freestyle mode . I have to see adi Berbere full of 160 ahmm.

    • Saleh Johar

      Hi Blink,
      Finally, someone recognizes the pain this guy is causing me. It seems he has no mission here except to pester and distract me. Believe me, I lose a brain cell everytime I read his comment and two cells when I respond to him. So far today I have lost six brain cells. I need a week to recuperate.

      Here is his latest outrageous comment: “a Jewish Anthropologist confirmed this through his Scientific Study that the original Blin people are quite related to the original Jewish people including their IQ status.”

      Members in the medical field, HELP: do you believe there are superior and inferior genes? Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if he claims his genes are superior to that of the people of Tigrai. But that is the arrogant culture we have to address and it is rampant, particularly within the PFDJ tent.

      What should I do? I appealed to all of you repeatedly and there was no one to tell him please stop that. I have a veto power here but I never exercised it for personal reasons, never. But since there is always the first time for anything, don’t be surprised. I am sick and tired of this guy. He is so paranoid that he immerses himself in a jocking gesture I wrote to Amde. This guy is so (something) it was about him. What should I do? I am asking honestly because I have had it.

      • iSem

        Hi Saleh:
        I gave you advice how to handle him, you ignored it:
        I repeat: apologize to Hope profusely, genuinely for your knowing him in high school. I am sure since his IQ is so high and is a gentleman he will accept and we will all live happily after

      • Amde

        Gash Saleh,

        I had thought that Hamasienites count themseles as Dembiyans, while Kerenites count themselves as Lastans?

        I think the genius part comes from the Lasta roots. Everybody knows Jews are Lastans….

        I think that is the TRUE outrage, Why is Hope a self-hating Lastiye?

        • Saleh Johar

          Amde,
          mahala gebtcha’lehu. Emmmmm

      • saay7

        Abu Selah:

        You have used the word “troll” before but I don’t think you have followed thru on the goal of a troll: “to provoke reader into an emotional response or otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll’s amusement.” A troll considers his day very productive when he has angered people. ኣስሚዕየን etc.

        I am not saying Hope is a troll but he has all the habits of a troll. He and, oh, 3 others here. Disqus doesn’t have it (I don’t think) but Twitter has a button where you can mute trolls. They think they are annoying you but because you have muted them u are not even reading their gibberish 🙂 The treatment here is to refuse to engage and simply ignore. It’s easy to do because our trolls here are incoherent 😂

        saay

        • Saleh Johar

          Abu Salah,
          Point well take. I will use the ignore Trolls rule.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Ustaaz,
            What can you do, you have to tolerate all of us. መምህር ንካልኦት የምህር፤ ንርእሱ ይቅሕር።

      • MS

        Dear SGJ
        Don’t worry Abu-salaH. People who study neuroscience tell us that our brain finds ways of compensating dead neurons and synapses; don’t forget a cup of tea x3/day and a lengthy prayer for your cousin Hope. He sent a cringing feeling through my stomach with his IQ stuff.

      • Haile S.

        Hi Saleh,
        I am writing you as a moderator, not to complain, but to ask if Discus understand tigrigna. I have to write in tigrigna only. I just wrote to Hope and got quarateened. Did retouch, but just to modify word that I thought are quaranteenable. I didn’t use A. Is H quaranteenable?:-) 🙂 🙂
        Sorry for bothering.

      • Aron

        Hi SGJ,
        Ignore him. He ain’t worth it.
        Aron

  • Hope

    Selam Dr Haile,S-aka Weddi Abeyti::

    U said;

    ” When bitterness is rampant, it is easy to fabricate a story or blow out a single happening and apply it to an existing cause of bitterness and controversy. Yes, it is the role of the intellectual to expose bitterness and controversy, but in both ways, i.e. when used for propoganda purpose. The forced-culpability and self-flagellation is not a positive attitude. We should all concentrate in celebrating the common heritages and shared history and values between our people instead of using such derogatory terminologies as an instrument of war.”
    Basically, you have Para-phrased diplomatically what Mahmud Salih said in a straight language/talk to counter Ustaz Amanuel Sahle’s “Straight and Undiplomatic talk/Article/language.
    U are right, as u get what u see or vice-versa,as that is exactly what the tigraionline and their other social media have been doing….by singling out Amanuel Sahle’s Statements and bashing about Eritreans…..in a happy camper’s mood.
    Worse,your “buddy”, Amanuel Hidart,has just joined [deleted].
    Kudos to both Amanuels…for their “Mission Accomplished” goal.

    • Haile S.

      Hi Blink and Hope,
      I hope you don’t mind replying to you together. We are all ደቂ ዓበይቲ. Daughters and sons of very decent people who love their tradition, religion and country and who toiled to educate us because the vast majority of them were not themselves. They had their other challenges as well. They were not sure where and how to lead their country and let it end where it ended. We, our brothers and sisters rather, many of you are in this forum took the torch to straighten the injustice the country faced to bring it to its independence. Along the way so many divisions and fraternal bloodshed and crimes occured. Now every thing that we face and discuss is influenced, interpreted and mirrored by those events that the regime that is administering the country has not given the slightest attempt to address or solve. Even the issue we have been discussing till now is influenced by those divisions. The most important is we face each other with a certain calm and retention inhibiting the emotional hormones that tend to drive us in the wrong direction. I would like to leave it at that. Thanks

  • blink

    Dear Haile.S
    I am asking more about this but I find one that says the insulting side of Agame is first used by people who come to Eritrea from certain places of Tigrai . In Tigray there are many insulting words used against some people who are from certain places of Tigray . And this is not only about the word agame , there other horrible and abusing words but I will not be saying these because people from Tigray in this region can be more good at explaining. The insulting side of the word at debate was not brought by Eritreans but by themselves from Tigray.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Hailat,

    I will skip you this time……and you know the reason.

    • Haile S.

      Emma,
      If the reason is to say we disagree, yes. Thanks

      • Saleh Johar

        Hello Haile, Emma, Blink and all,

        The derogatory word has been overused in the last few days. But allow me to share with you a piece from my book Of Kings and Bandits, regarding the topic at hand.
        ____________
        A few cars that didn’t belong in Keren had passed through the street—probably people visiting relatives from other places. The Lambretta, the only three-wheeled taxi, passed by carrying two excited children on the back seat—they had walked to the taxi stop to fetch it for someone. American bikers in leather jackets zoomed through the street towards the Grand Hotel, probably visiting only for the day.
        It was the beginning of the harvest season and workers from the region had already traveled to Western Eritrea and far beyond, to the plantations of Wad-Medeni in the Sudan, to pick cotton.
        Three big buses loaded to capacity passed by carrying seasonal Ethiopian workers. They were wrapped in dusty clothes that had been soaked in butter, to ward off mosquitoes and desert wasps. The workers headed to Humera in North Western Ethiopia, probably on their first bus ride ever.
        “They can take any hardship thrown at them,” Ahmed the shopkeeper said.
        “Primitive people, uncivilized” a snobbish man said.
        “Haha Mr. Modern. You think you’re better than them?”
        “Do you have any doubts?” The man wondered.
        “Isn’t it obvious from my question?” Ahmed said.
        The argument went on for a while. The Italians had stroked some prejudices and made dirt-poor Eritreans feel superior to the dirt-poor people from Northern Ethiopia.
        _______________
        The shameful phenomena is rampant in many Eritrean regions and we cannot deny it. It all started during the Italian era when an officer known as Barba (the bearded one) became notorious chasing anyone from Tigrai and dropping them off at the borders around Adi Grat. Of course the propaganda was similar to the fascists of the West and the oil cuntries of the Gulf: ‘they are taking your jobs’, etc’ Of course you can imagine the damage this leaves in the minds of people.

        Now, why is it far-fetched that we use that derogatory words against people from Tigrai when many PFDJ goons and their likes use it day in and day out against their own people? Can you imagine how many times I was called that since the TPLF and PFDJ divorced? Can you imagine it is the main insult they find fit for me and people like me? So, unless we accept we have that malady, we cannot cure it. It is a bad spot and we should first own the mistake and try to correct it. Denying it is not going to help. Here it is important to note it is not a casual “insult” but a well-established term that found a prominent place in our political lexicon. Any denier 🙂

        NB: this is by no means in support of Amanuel Sahle or endorsing his work in any way. Please see it in isolation of Amanuel Sahle’s statements.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saleh,

          Well said. You asked “any denier”? Of course there are many. If there weren’t the issue wouldn’t go at length. Thank you.

        • Haile S.

          Thank you Saleh.
          Well said. How can we deny our malady when everybody has his own.

  • Haile S.

    Hi Semere T,
    Just to say I had replied to you too on Emma’s comment to you. Me comment was detained by Discus. Just saw it released.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Merhaba Semere Tesfay,

    Initially, you sound defending the flaws of our society. Now after admitting that, you want to defend and exonerate PFDJ from their evil design to make the two people at each other’s throat. No Semere, Hisebelu DeA.

    Second, Amanuel did not err in his article, rather he did call to the conscience of every citizen to correct our wrong attitudes towards Tigray people. Instead of appreciating him for challenging us to make change in our attitudes, you insulted him as a lair and incompetent for a man with such erudition. ዒብ ዓሌክ ሰመረ::

    Regards

  • halafi mengedi

    Semere Tesfai and Aman,

    – Semere, that is an interesting sentence you highlighted ‘ትምህርቲ ህግደፋውያን፡ እንተ ዘይቀተለስ፡ የዕነኒ’ . On a second look it does appear he is blaming pfdj, although i can’t say for sure. May be he can clarify. If he is indeed blaming pfdj, i think he got it wrong.
    – another thing he got wrong is his failure to specifically identify the Eritrean Tigrigna. yes, it is kind of obvious who he is referring to. But in such a very sensitive topic, the accuracy of one’s words matter. I don’t think you can leave this to the reader, and it such a very easy to do thing.
    – there are a few other things too…may be will comment later.
    hm

  • iSem

    Hi Semere:
    I will be very short and then I will end with a prayer:
    You said Semere Andom was saying that IA is less of an Eritrean. Context: I rem vividly, you had a formula to bestow citizenship and that was “DEDICATION”. And many of us told you that was absurd.I remember what I said, I told u, either you have to be born into it or acquire it with law and we had heated debate and as usual you logic was absurd and you were yelling.
    Maybe ELF leaders called IA all these names when having their tea, but show me one video, one written line saying that. if you heard it when you guys were shooting the breeze and they had some personal opinions, that is irrelevant. But I can show you the bigoted insults of PFDJ towards fellow Eritreans and Tigray. Actually, I am sure you know that calling IA tha “A**me” word was officially banned in ELF, if they used that card, IA would have been disappeared to Tembin. But he did not shy away from calling ELF ዓኳር and Jihad and other names, not only in the field but even when he was in school in grade 9, ask Michael Gabir and W. Ammar how IA referred to lowlanders even when he was a boy
    If the 14 year old said those words, yes, it is PFDJJ ‘s and IA fault, he told us not to call ppl the “A**me” word in 1994 when he was in bed wth TPLF, he could have continued that and the 14 year old would not have learned that. But after he was humiliated in Badme they were making fun of their accents as ppl who did not know lipstick, ppl who followed witch craft to win war, ppl who saw glittering stones in Badme and thought it was diamond
    Question for your ST: How come you are not this passionate when YPFDJ lies, when PFDJ murders and snatches and kidnapped people. If you were, we weould take you as consistent and would not consider u a PFDJ
    Now the prayers: May God save us from those who want get away with lies by YELLING (Read capitalization)

    • halafi mengedi

      Semere Tesfai and iSem,
      It seems to me both of you agree that the use of the a* slur is bad and reflects badly on our society. I think this is the most important part. Which constituency or segment abused it or continue to abuse is only secondary thing. So, why don’t you both focus on the most important part and may be discuss ways for our society to get rid off the slur. You may have done this already before, but it is also good thing to remind people from time to time when the topic comes up again, for example due to the article by as.
      hm

      • Paulos

        Selam HM,

        Well said! Thank you.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam HM,

        Good observations. But, while he is admitting about it, he still accuse Amanuel Sahle as dishonest, incompetent, which I don’t understand him. But then Semere doesn’t care even if he has contradictory views.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Semere Tesfay,

      After admitting all these:

      (a) Yes in Eritrean Kebessa, the word “AGAME” as an ethnic/racial slur is commonly used to disrespect and to do harm to people with Tigrean origin. And we Eritrean ethnic Tigrignas are not proud of it.

      (b) The word ዓጋመ as an insult, ልቢ ትግራይ as an expression of one’s character, and may more jokes and stereotypes that disrespect people of Tigrean origin,…..

      (c) Living in Asmara, I’m sure he has heard all the derogatory insults and jokes that was directed at poor Tigrean laborers. I’m sure he has seen offensive attitudes and acts of some Eritreans towards Tigreans

      (d) The point: racial/ethnic/religious/class slurs are used to hurt others in order to make the culprit feel superior – when in reality s/he is not.

      How on heaven sake accuse him of being a lair, incompetent, dishonest, vindictive? what did he say than exposing all the ” bad attitudes and norms” of the society towards Tigray people, that yourself have stated in you comment? In fact, the story of the 14 years old girl in itself, is showing us, that this “bad attitudes and demeaning slurs” are passing from generation to generation. Amanuel Sahle was calling to all of us to make a soul searching and do something to our social ills. Amanuel is honest, fearless, brilliant, selfless individual, who is devoted to educate the Eritrean people through his writing on the flaws of our society. May God grace Eritrea with thousands men and women like him to extricate our society from our social ills.

      regards

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam iSem

      “You said Semere Andom was saying that IA is less of an Eritrean. Context: I rem vividly, you had a formula to bestow citizenship and that was “DEDICATION”. And many of us told you that was absurd.Selam iSem”

      Mokhsi let our discussion speak for itself. Enjoy:

      “Hi Semere Tesfai:

      So are you denying an established fact that IA is half Tigray from his father’s side? I cannot bring you citizenship records, but that is established fact, his siblings know it, he knows it. If you want you can interview a guy with beautiful Mekele accent by the name …. he has deep ties with the Afwerki family.

      Now there are reasons Eritrea fought to separate to assert its identity and dignity, the struggle was not for a hobby and there are reasons countries enact citizenship laws……… Semere, remove the hamlet in your head, citizenhip are either LEGAL or INHERITED, repeat after me! It is called the ICT (International Citizeship Theorom). Even in the highland, the villages have 40 years residency to allow you to be one of them, to marry their daughter, to have land to farm and to build a house (tisha), but the granting of citizenship because someone is hardworking, or generous or nice guy is earth shattering and will go in the history books as the discovery of Insulin.

      Now, building on the citizenship, if you want to give IA and Hagosh Kisah Eritrean citizenship on the grounds of their participation in the armed struggle then, you cannot make that on the fly, like you did you have to enact into laws and I have no problem with it.

      About me, I have no insecurity, I grew up reciting my ancestors on both sides of my parents, if I have found any link in Tigray I would have capitalized on that to claim Ethiopian citizenship instead of sharing a country with guy called Gheteb, nothing wrong to be from Tigray, I am just saying that there is an established fact in Eri that IA is half Tigray, I am not denying it and there are no laws enacted to make him 100 5 Eritrean.

      Now, please stop the lecturing of Eritreans degrading Tigrayans and Ethiopians, you did it in the forum more than any Eritean, I know, of course, it is not brazen, it is swaddled in the capital letters.
      and about the international figheters, that is also an internationally established fact, even Yemane Jamaica, wanted to fight for Mozambique, and the cadres did the right thing, but they never said Eri or Ghedli awards citizenship to at whim because some foreign tegadali has nice “etqqi” or whatever you were telling Ghezae.

      This line of yours (Semere Tesfai’s) is misplaced: “The point: it is not about Isaias Afewerki and his genealogy. It is not about whether Isaias Afewerki is an Eritrean or not. It is all about us Eritreans Ethiopians Africans… It is all about our psychic, it is all about our self worth, it is all about our self confidence, it is all about our self worth and self respect or simply. “

      In Eritrea, we grew up talking about our geology and uncles, and aunts we never met, we were told their stories and we were proud of them, “haweboy kusto…” and most of us know some friends who went to Mekele for summer vacation, we knew who they were, we also went to our villages sometimes, etc. So it is about IA, we do not even have information of this guys who is running the entire country.

      About the Eritreans putting down the half Tigrayans, I do not condone that and speaking of my self, I have never done it, call it gift from God.
      You keep capitalizing and stressing “pure Eritrean” in a vacuum, and you know well that, if you were Ethiopian born and raised in Eri, the ELF would allow you to go to Sudan, so the half Italians, the half Yemenis did it too. The citizenship laws in Eri is not enacted, but Sal shared with me an information the other day by EPLF, but I am not buying anything by EPLF, it is self serving,

      You (Semere Tesfai) said: “What if he is a first generation with Tigrayan ancestry? Would that make you more of an Eritrean than the man who served his whole life for Eritrea – simply because of the length of your line of genealogy?”

      You are mixing things here Semere, you are mixing the laws of the country you decry and hate (USA) but nonetheless live with comfort there, and the laws of a country that has no laws but you love, long distance love. Yes, in light of the non existence laws about citizen Eri, I base my citizenship on the village laws, you have to have deep roots in the villages, put other ways, you have to mention you “adi” when asked, and oh, you cannot say “addina” Tiravello eyu””

      Semere Tesfai

      • iSem

        hi Semere:
        beautiful. This is poetic prose
        But where is what you said, I did not write this just to write, I was addressing some insane assertion. can you copy that too.
        And as usual you are changing the subject. Where is that I said it is Ok to to call some one the ” A” word
        And you have not answered my question

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam iSem

          I think this is what you looking for, go ahead and shoot it down!

          “Selam G H

          1. – “Really? You never knew Issais’s Tigrean origin?”

          So what – if he has Tigrean origin? He should be proud of it!!! Shouldn’t he? In your mind does his Tigrean origin make him any less of an Eritrean? In your understanding, how many generations do you have to stay in Eritrea to qualify for an Eritrean? One generation, two generations, three generations, a hundred……..

          PLEASE GROW UP AND STOP IT!!! YOU’RE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF.

          For your information: everyone came from somewhere – ብማይን ሓመድን ኤርትራ ዝተሰርሐ ሰብ የለን – Yes including you, your parents, your great, great, great……… grand parents.

          Again, let me repeat what I said: መተመኒ ኤርትራውነት – ሕልና: ፍቕሪ ሃገር: ተወፋይነት: ኣበርክቶ ንሓባራዊ ረብሓ….. ደኣምበር – መበቆል ዘርእን ሰረትን: ናይ ወለዶ ሓረግ ርሕቐትን ቅርበትን ኮይኑ ኣይፈልጥን ‘ዩ – ኣይክኸውንን ‘ውን ‘ዩ::

          Semere Tesfai

          • iSem

            hi Semere”
            No, I do not shoot:-)
            Semere:
            Nice try: I stand by the comment that was so traumatic that you memorized it verbatim:-)
            the topic of the debate is not about that. because you are a master of changing the post, you are trying
            Now did u ever use the word “A”when the TPLF was coming at you with IA as their leader because he knew the ELF hide out was?
            The topic is AS did no do any crime except hurt the feeling of some men, you could rebut him, tell him he is wrong we do not to say the “A” word, but you cannot charge and as for his EXECUTION paid agent while the real criminals are going about their crimes and I NEVER HER YOU SAY A WHISPER AGAISNT THAT

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam iSem

            1. – “Nice try: But I still stand by my commentI.”

            I know you would. And I wonder why every day!

            በጃኻ ተማሃር፡፡ ትርኢ ‘ለኻ ‘ዞም ኩሎም ከማኻ ሓጥያት ዘረባ ክዛረቡ ዝዉዕሉ፡ unlike you, they are smart enough to know their ሓጥያት. They speak-up their mind which is full of ሓጥያት – but then, they keep their Disqus account PRIVATE, ምኽንያቱ ሓጥያት ስለ ዝመለአ።

            ሃማመይ ካኣ፡ ሰለፍካ ጋህ ኣቢልካ መመክሒ ሃገር!!!

            ናተይ ኢለ ስለዘቕርበካ ‘የ ዝነግረካ ዘለኹ። ካልኦት ከምኡ ‘ይሎም ኣይምዕዱኻን ‘ዮም።

            Mokhsi: as always it was pleasure engaging you. Thank you for engaging and thank you for all the respect.

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

  • halafi mengedi

    Semere Tesfai,
    I am not sure if AS is trying to imply that pfdj are responsible for the slur, but definitely, the slur didn’t start with pfdj and is not going to end with pfdj. However, at this time the ypfdj segment of pfdj are using it to an obscene degree. abxifrika eto eyu zimexeka when you read what they write on twitter, for example. On one had, I don’t think I have seen Ambassador Estifanos (eplf/pfdj) use the term at all, but on the other hand, I have not see him admonishing the ypfdjs when they use it. At the end of the day, the fact that pfdj seem to give tacit approval to its young members to use the slur is really disgusting.
    hm

  • Paulos

    Selam Moderator,

    I guess my comment for Semere Tesfay is lost. Oh well not sure what to say except ዝራኣየ እንድሕር’ኣሎ ዓይኑ ይንቌሕ.

  • iSem

    Hi Hope:
    I hope I do not come across condescending, but Keren has produced Michael Gabir and Welesus Ammar, Saleh Gadi, Ustaz Alleg and Hniit and money others, too many too count, all heroes of Eritrea. But this city of contrasts has also produced Dr. Fkak and cousin Hope, so to Keren I say this
    OHH, Keren, Keren, Keren, Keren, Keren, Keren
    Yes, Keren, yes Kerenay, natai, lomi Keren, tsahb Keren,
    Ewe Keren, kemy geru mahtsenki guramaile konne
    Lomi Keren, tmali Keren,nzelalem Keren
    Deqki ab Melberon, I ab shefshefit, ab Werhi, ab tsehay
    ab Ela Ero, ab mai harish
    Keren, Keren, Keren, keren,ምልስለይ እባ ከረናይ፣ ሰከብኪ ሓሻኻ፣ ኢትቕንጺ ምኑ

    • Saleh Johar

      ISem,
      You know what some exported Kerenites say about us: Felaaq–that our heads are big like a humanoid 🙂
      Now that is enough already, don’t make it bigger. We are so naive we believe anything we read my dear…

  • Mez

    Dear Hope,

    My goodness, Hope.

  • said

    Greetings,
    The Arab Liens with the West and Russian – Deeply Hegemonic in Heritage and Mindset – Need to be Reconsidered and considered immediate environs with Horn of Africa countries,
    The Arabs are not a race that enjoys The Courage of Conviction facing up to Reality Calling things by their name and Defining their true interests as warranted by dictating reality.
    The West and the Russian, Right Across the Board, remains – in policies and ideologies – deeply anti-Arab; yet, Arabs continue to perceive and act towards the West and Russian as the Mecca seeking validation and the Support of particularly the West that for long have proven double-standard and anti-Arab. The recent illegal Americano-British-French Tripartite Aggression on Syria made prove of that indelible and ETERNAL Truth. The military strikes targeted chemical weapons production, a limited retaliation, but not what count the military assets and regime bastion. and seemed largely symbolic in nature. were little more than a show. with little consequence on the ground. The strikes did not meaningfully change facts on the ground. Same goes for illegal Aggression of Russian nonstop barbaric acts of bombardment on civilian population and fanatic illegal Aggression of Shia Iranian and Hogmanay in Syria that created massive suffering of the Syrian people, death and destruction and Syria it all but a destroyed country . Russian air force and Iranian Shi’ite force assistance to Bashar al-Assad contributed and constituted the final tipping point. Bashar al-Assad. His crimes are horrifying beyond words. he is backed by Russia, and his control of a large part of the country is being established. War criminal Assad has certainly proven he will do whatever he deems necessary, no matter how horrifying, to maintain his Alawites rule.
    Since the 2011 The Syrian crisis began with almost a year of mass peaceful uprising, mass popular peaceful uprising calling for democracy was brutally suppressed by the Syrian Arab army, Syrian civilians demanding democracy and the outbreak of the uprising that quickly morphed into a civil war. Syrians did not want civil war—understandably enough since the human and material costs would be devastating. The bloodthirsty Bashar al-Assad was willing to strike back mercilessly and ruthlessly at the very early uprisings and nip them in the bud. Syrians people wanted and fought for freedom and democracy, they are highly cultured ,educated and civilized people. They deserve to freely elect their new leader. this seven-year bloody conflict still continues. There are no good options left in Syria. And for people who live in war zones, stakes are overwhelmingly real. it becomes a zero-sum game, not a win-win but a win-lose game for Syrian people.
    The dictator Bashar al-Assad bloodthirsty, mass-murderer, a war criminal, a rogue regime, His father and son, for over forty years ruled Syria and his younger brother Maher Assad is the general and commander of the Republican Guard and the 4th Armored Division. He is well known as being a brutal and 4th Division entirely made up of Alawites, the sect to which President Assad belongs. and ruling minority Alawite regime, Alawite community, who make up a key constituent of his support base, Assad bloodthirsty ,he operates on only unspeakable brutality and an unknown number of hundreds of thousands of people were killed, tens of thousands were imprisoned and still languish in prison today, the rule of law has been put upside down the rule of jungle prevail and what ever existed being abolished. Assad’s regime invited Shiite militia allies foreign forces operating in the country, with strong Iranian militia and Russia Air force came to his last hour rescue , The dictator Bashar Baathist pariah who takes his order into account of his master, the Russia and Iranian mullah . No one else matters. no western or Arab nation m one will come to rescue Syrian people.

    Going back a millennium, nothing has changed of harbored deep mistrust and conspiratorial mindset governing the Arab-Western relations and actual dealings. And historical fact that the Russia presence as a strategic power in Syria . It has a history of several hundred years presence there, long before Britain and west ; even under the Russian Tsars Moscow was the official protector of Eastern Orthodox Christians in the Syria and greater Levant.
    The Age of the Oil Bonanza with the Arabs, mostly the Rich Gulf Arabs, holding the commanding levers of power over a world strategic commodity- oil – and hugely accumulated wealth that the Arabs had a historic chance to build upon to become a true world power that could have profoundly changed the rules of the game with the West to the permanent advantage of the Arabs, however, slipped away by the feeble minds and lack of political will ,
    When the late Samuel Huntington, a top US strategic thinker and a leading Harvard Academic, put the background thinking of the West in a nutshell, in White and Black, in his famous writings, “The Inevitable Clash of Civilizations,” 1994, the Arabs – The Wealthy Gulf states enjoying serendipitous levers of power – continued to align their narrow, mostly parochial interests with the Western hegemonic interests in lieu of standing up and redefining their relations with a hegemonic West to the wider national and regional interests.
    The Arabs could have drawn lessons in this vein from Mao Zedong, mainly a page or two, I am totally against Mao Zedong commonest dilogy, but can learn from Mao Zedong, Who, when he began and consolidated his revolution, tightly closed China’s borders at the fledgling stage of the revolution to contacts and relations with capitalistic hegemonic West reminiscent of wrenching historic experiences not too far back.
    The Chinese, forever mistrustful of the designs and intentions of the West at the time, still retained memories of the diabolical Western exploits and avarice to the extent of forcing an “Opium Trade,” termed the opinion War on the Chinese launched as a conscious and flagrant policy in the mid-nineteenth century by the British Government under the British Prime Minister Palmerston of the Victorian. It was a deliberate, vicious and most inhuman official policy of the British Empire.
    Concurrently, Colonialist Britain at the time proved most exploitative and inhuman deliberately causing the mass starvation of the Irish people confiscating the entire Irish potato harvest, staple of the land, to export to Britain during the 1860s. This, as followed not very long after, in the early 1900s, in the Indian Punjab mass starvation by a similar deliberate heinous and heartless British Government act under the command of Winston Churchill as the Minister of Colonies. The British, similar to what happened in Ireland, confiscated the entire Wheat Harvest of the Punjab for export to Britain causing the starvation and the death of millions of Punjabis who were deprived of their agricultural nutritional staple.
    Nothing ever changed, despite the rhetoric glossing of observance of democratic values and respect of human rights rules in the West. aside from the rhetoric verbiage, the minds and attitudes of the controlling Western Oligarchy turning increasingly rightist that remains under the neoliberal labelling exploitative at heart.

    The Arabs’ true interests lie, incontestably, first within their immediate environs ,closer to their home , consolidating relations with their non-Arab neighbors; Arabs speak is Semitic language related to Hebrew and Amharic rooted language, GCC should consider to invest in the potential of Horn of Africa countries, in the vast agriculture virgin land win win situation for development and prosperity . and with the rising Powers of the East, mainly China and India, where the Arabs never experienced enduring enmities and a long history of mistrust and exploitations.

    • Natom Habom

      selam said
      the arab did this ,the arab did that ,who the hell is care about arab and western politic
      you are not arab or maybe you believe the fairy tale of your kin fake strory
      we are arab ,we are arab ,help us ,it s well documented who you are or what you are and where you come from .and you can never never change fact it s your problem
      if you have identity complex sikness no remedy for that infortunatly ,
      it maybe hereditary come from your far kin they have the some problem
      ,as for syria maybe you are blind but did you watch in youtube what your friend were doing,??
      butchereing innocent burning women and men alive ,destroying churches and mosques selling captured innocent girls in the market for their desire and her you
      defending those criminal its beyond believe

      • said

        Selam Dr. Natom Habom
        It seems you already diagnosed and figured me out of my complexes identity . The uprisings in North Africa (the so-called Arab Spring) may have provided an impetus for the burst of public dissent in Syria. you can make your lists of ‘ who did’ and ‘didn’t do’. find out when the bombing began, who applauded . The barbaric merciless crackdown by Assad security forces, civil unrest spread until the country devolved into a sectarian ,sunny and Alawaite -Shia war that spread more quickly than fire. Every one is loser and vast Losses to the nation are immensely vast , the staggering civilian toll graphically keep recorded day by day, I am for justices and universal human right ,I am proud Eritrean deeply rooted with nonethnic-Identification.
        Western media and fake new ,be it officials and the presstitutes that tell us ,I do not buy it, they are propaganda megaphone. I have nothing to learn from you and your arrogance is evident, you are reckless and irresponsible in your comment, When will you get the message? when you Read carefully and your comment should remain within the context , ask honest questions and I will write back in all honesty and then you find out with respect , I wrote only tiny part ,the main player in Syria affair, I am against totally against radicle that target our Christian minority brothers , I do not cheer death and destruction of any human being ,based on ethic and any religious group or non religious. you can easily find out in your own who are this fanatical group and you will find out their true master payer ,they admitted spending $500m , this bloody radical group that do not how to differentiate civilian lives . the conclusion that the western nation today are less free and less aware society than the societies in the dystopian novels of the 20th century or in movies such as The Matrix and V for Vendetta may be washed the movie ,it is better educative than your YouTube . Just as people in the dystopian novels had no idea of their real situation, few western do either. I focussed on Assad Alawite Oligarchy regime ,they are the root and cause of Syrian civil war and against all sort external intervention and interference, what vital interest do they have , the list is long and complex . Above all, never do anything carzy and radicalto your own people. Sooner or later human rights specialists will declare at the appropriate moment, your threat to humankind. And by intervening in civil war and Military invasion and conflict is exciting and provides plenty of mass media melodrama that can be reported as a simple conflict between good and evil, it is much more complex . George W. Bush’s war to strip Iraq of nonexistent WMD. in the long humankind history you will find many ethnic and religious,1991 Rwanda Civil war and Civil War of 1861-1865, the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939, and the Chinese Civil War of 1945-1949, Assad and his Russian, Iranian and Shiite militia allies to some degree has win the war and on fragmented country and hard reunite the nation. The mullah of Iran Shiites in 1979 overthrew king shah CIA installed in 1953.The Shiites control Iraq because Bush illegally invaded and overthrew Saddam and his secular Baath Party, were all faith treated equally and disbanded his Baath -led army, and let the Shiite majority take control of the country and created more distraction and havoc than you can imagine . If all foreign cared about Syria and showed any true and real concern over the last seven years of barbaric butchery in Syria, they would have made much more effort and greater peace efforts in the past to bring this horrendous war to an end. But Barbaric Assad has very powerful foreign allies, the Russia and Iran.
        the long colonial western and extraordinary war crimes committed by western nation the 91th ,20th and 21st century that have destroyed in whole or part many countries, resulting in tens millions of dead, maimed, orphaned, and displaced peoples? The same for Russian and Consider, Afghanistan and all the former USSAR 5 stan-nation , who you do think are those who cheering the death and destruction.

        • Natom Habom

          selam said
          just saw your answer , there was interview with and isis high ranking
          when he was asked about the killing and the situation he was denying it happening in his country ,that christian have the right to leave no they just to pay a special tax ,and many beautifull think ,so your word of respect for other minority or whatever mean nothing ,you write assad is criminal and russia imperialist must be stop that tell me everythink ,
          anyway sorry if feel offended ,we used to it every day finger pointed at us
          there is nothing rekless for what I said just reality
          have a good one

  • halafi mengedi

    All,

    My 2 cents on the issue of using racial slurs, specifically agame, by Tigrigna Eritreans.

    A lot has been said on this forum about the topic, really constructive comments has been given, if only someone could compile them and have them available readily for other to refer to when writing about this topic.
    .

    I am glad people are writing about it, because it is only through openness that we could create and cultivate values (or core values) that we are proud of.
    .

    I am assuming those who write about the topic of ‘agame’, like AS or Yoel (he has clip about it on YouTube), their aim is to serve as mirror to our society and help us avoid rhetoric that is harmful to our relationship with others. But, there is one small issue missing (or at least not mentioned as much as it should) in their approach (also from the comments in awate forum). And that is failure to realize that this noble aim starts with each of us as individuals first, and then we can challenge our community and society.
    .

    What do I mean by this?

    Referring to those who write about the topic in general (but applies to all of us), I think it would be beneficial if they contemplate and let us know about their personal experiences with the word ‘agame’. Have they ever used it, even as youngsters? How did they feel about using it back then and now looking back in time? Why do they think they had to use? How did they
    learn to use it? Where did they get it from? How did they learn it was bad and stopped using it? How long has it been since they never used it? Did they struggle with not using it, at least initially? Etc..
    .

    And if they have not used it, even better. Not only they would have more moral authority to challenge others, but also hopefully we can learn from them. How did they manage to avoid it? Where they not exposed to at all or were there other forces that made them not use it? What lessons can they give to other from their ability to avoid using the term, even when there is peer pressure? Etc…
    .

    How about the people near them? Their families, friends and co-workers (ffc)? From their immediate circle, do they know some who use it? Do they make an effort to admonish/teach ffc when they see them use it? What kind of reactions do they get? Where they ever successful at convincing others not to use it? Etc…
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    IMO, we all need to contemplate those question and this is the only way to approach the problem. This would tell me the person writing about the issue is genuine in their motives of fostering reconciliation and not merely projecting their assumed moral superiority. Otherwise, pointing figures at other members of your society and complaining and shaming a whole society and community is unbecoming, unhelpful, and very IA-like (he blames the gov that is head and have absolute control over forever, and never takes the slightest blame himself, for everything negative).
    .

    AS message would have been a lot more powerful and genuine with personal touch if he had shared his personal experience (as user or non-user) or the experience of those very close to him, instead of some 14-years old girl. (I can’t image there is no one around him who had not used that word. And if so, well, really begs the question, do we really have a problem?)
    .

    It also sends the wrong message about those individuals writing on the topic (if they simply address it as problem of Tigrigna Eritreans).By blaming the Tigrigna Eritreans at large, it could be construed (not saying it is) as if they are attempting to avoid personal responsibility, to avoid the sense of shame (if they had used it) or avoid facing their own shortcoming or shortcoming of people near and dear to them when it comes to the use of racial slurs.
    .

    To summarize, if the aim here is to cull out the bad things in our culture and society, let’s start with ourselves, then those immediately around us and then we can go big. Let’s do that with the word ‘agame’ and other racial slurs.
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    **Before you ask, yes I did contemplated about my experience with racial slurs and probably need to do it constantly**

    hm

  • iSem

    When Nostalgia is a Crime:

    Hi All:
    A young university student joins the Eritrean armed struggle and one day he hears a Tekle Tesfazghi song in the radio, it reminds him of his high school flame in Asmara, he feels nostalgia of the old good times, when they went to movies, when the enjoy the best tasting ice-cream in the world and sipped the best cappuccino. He remembers the chilly afternoon when his girl friend ጉዝጉዝ ምስ በለቶ
    In his mind, he goes back to his teenage days, when everything was good. Life was not perfect, far from it, people still died then, he scarped money for his soccer team, but he was happy in the huddle of his family, extended family, friends and the community. The smell of his young fame lingers in his nostril, he salivates when he remembers the taste of the ice-cream. His lips still remember the first kiss that was laden with cloves. He is a freedom fighter now, far removed from his girl friend. As the favorite song of my friend goes አማሪረ ‘ንድየ፤ አማሪረ ምፍልላይ ዓንደል ዕረ, he complains, but silently. Yet he is a gallant fighter. He comrades notice his wandering mind and since they know about his love, they tease him. They do not say, he is nostalgia about mama Asmara, because they know that life is tougher now than it was, but it is for a good cause, the struggle is to bring those good days, not the perfect days
    Now feeling nostalgia about better days has become a crime that strips your identity: Eritrean that makes you’re a Woyane mercenary
    Are you asking why I wrote this comment? Do not ask me, ask my friend Beyan Negash, he is the author of why we write.:-)

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam iSem

      There is nothing wrong speaking-up your mind. There is nothing wrong criticizing any individual, politician leader, head of state, a ruling party, a policy. There is nothing wrong being nostalgic or wishing to turn back the clock.

      Simply, no matter how insensitive/offensive your thought may be to others, speaking up your mind or being nostalgic is not a crime. Attitude is not a crime. Act is. And…..

      Amanuel Sahle crossed the line of decency when he started painting the Eritrean people with a broad brush to voice his personal opinion – all without a scintilla of proof to back-up his claim. And that raised the eyebrows of many – including mine.

      Semere Tesfai

      • iSem

        hi Semere:
        fine!! and Crossing the line and of decency are crimes?
        Now u can criticize him with counter arguments, but to ask for his head while u throw the softest-ball to PFDJ for their crimes, to think and say that this is the cost of keeping Eri intact, not to apply the same tenor and tone to PFDJ, the complicit part

      • blink

        Dear Mr.semere Tesfai

        I have one question and that question can be answered by you . I always believed that Eritreans from where ever corners they come from have the right to criticize the PFDJ rule and while doing that they will remain to advocate for Eritrea instead of neighbor country interest but to my surprise there are people including in this forum who will travel extra mile to protect any one who attack Eritreans blindly. What kind of moral ground do they have to attack these who defend Eritreans right to be proud of their country and people?

        If these people are supporting wannabe criminals or paid people who attack Eritreans now , can we trust them to fight for us at this testing times ?

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam blink

          “I have a question for you . I always believed that Eritreans from where ever corners they come from have the right to criticize the PFDJ rule and while doing that they will remain to advocate for Eritrea instead of neighbor country interest. But to my surprise there are people including in this forum who will travel extra mile to protect any one who attack Eritreans blindly.”

          I agree with you 100% on this. But that doesn’t seem to be the case here at Awate with many Eritreans.

          And the only rational reasoning I can think off as to why, is – I suppose when people are bitter, angry, outraged and hopeless for any change………. they don’t care anymore. And when they don’t care anymore, they become irresponsible and irrational. I hope I’m wrong.

          blink: you’re a fighter, a good fighter at that. Keep fighting. You’re doing the right thing for the right reasons. I don’t know if it means anything but I like your comments a lot.

          Semere Tesfai

        • FishMilk

          Hi Blink. Old rock band REO titled one of their albums ‘You Can Tune a Piano But You Can’t Tuna Fish’. Forever adamant are those, notably non-Eritrean commenters, who purposely attempt to cloud the waters and confuse Eritrean PRIDE and NATIONALISM with Eritrean Governance; Clearly the two are separate. One can be proud to be an Eritrean at the same time they may abhor the PIA/PFDJ regime. This intentional clouding of waters has also been used as a strategy to divert attention away from the Badme issue as well as the atrocities that have been committed by the TPLF over the years. I oftentimes wonder about the similarities and differences between the TPLF and EPLF before and after 1991. No doubt PIA has wrongly tarnished pre-liberation achievements of the EPLF. However, in terms of ideology and wrongdoings post-1991, there are indeed many similarities between the TPLF and the EPLF with both oftentimes acting as criminal thugs. One big difference I see though, is that the core TPLF members have become extremely wealthy where core EPLF members have not. Miami’s Heat and D. Wade played a great game last night….Wow!

          • blink

            Dear Fishmilk
            I don’t know what to say really, I mean I have tried to know the negative side of caring for Eritrea and Eritreans while opposing PFDJ and I did not find any negative effects. I have one guy who has spent a big chunk of his life saying justice yet he insult Eritreans and even call for the occupation by Ethiopia. I normally drink coffee with him once in two months time yet we didn’t reach a consensus.

            Have you heard anything like polling Eritreans asking them why they shone the opposition leadership? My answer is simply that Eritreans don’t trust them . The opposition leadership lacks trust . They are so weird.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi SemereT,
        How are you?
        You always go wiggling. Nobody is saying AS should not be challenged or defended on what he said. But you can’t defame him. For example, “he is paid by Tplf” is a defamation, and as such a crime. False allegations against one’s good name are acts of crime. Speak to that if you can.

        • Semere Tesfai

          Selam ጓል ስግር ሩባይ

          ከምይ ቀኒኺ? ደሃይኪ ኣይትሓባእ!

          “Nobody is saying AS should not be challenged or defended on what he said. But you can’t defame him. For example, “he is paid by Tplf” is a defamation, and as such a crime. False allegations against one’s good name are acts of crime. Speak to that if you can.”

          Hayatom: I think you’re “barking up the wrong tree”. When did I said “he is paid by Tplf”. And paid or not paid what difference does it make?

          Semere Tesfai

  • halafi mengedi

    MS
    You are correct about the gov of Eritrea media not using the term ‘agame’. I may have missed out, but as far as i can remember, I have never heard or read ‘agame’ used in derogatory way by Eri gov media. But, you know who does? ypfdj! Not only ‘agame’ but a whole load of racial slurs and they do it in an organized manner. some in opp groups do too, but not to the extent of ypfdj, imo. It is really shameful, and that is why i sometimes feel like they are worse than gov of Eritrea (imagine that!).
    BTW, their racial attacks are not limited to tigrayans, but other Eritrean ethnicity too. I have close relatives that are among the bigger operators of ypfdj, the way they casual use slurs (for example, ‘beAl Fatiman Haliman’ to refer to Tigre women in general) is vomit-inducing.
    hm

  • Tzigereda

    Dear Awatista forumers,

    ዝቐነናዮ ቕነ ኣይቀነ ( me as a reader, I assume many felt the same):: ትሕዝቶ: ኣገባብ ምጉት: ምርጫ ቃላትን ሓሳባትን ዝንኣድ ኣይረኸብኩሉን:: እረ ገግየኩም: እምበርዶ ንሳቶም ኢዮም ኢለ::
    ይሕለፈልኩም: ይእከልኩም : ይእከለና::
    ይቅሬታ ንድፍረተይ::

    • saay7

      Tzigereda:

      Das hawya is a great song with an amazing video. And most relevant to our season of madness here (where everybody appears to have lost his mind) is a line that I find particularly powerful and relevant:

      በብሓደ ሰብ ወሓደ…..መራሒ ብዘይ ገናሒ

      saay

    • Haile S.

      Selam Tzigereda,
      ናይ ውግእ ጸረ-ሌላ ሕብራዊ ልኻይ (face camouflage) ስለዝተለኸና ኢኺ ዘየለለዝክና።

      • Abrehet Yosief

        Aya Haile S.
        Very funny. Didn’t you know camouflage is now called “mimisisal”?

        • Paulos

          Selam Abrehet,

          Probably from ነፋሒቶ’s ability to camouflage, we can say, “Mimisisal” but what Hailat indicated seem to have a different meaning all together. What say you?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos,
            It is not my choice of words. When the unit commander tells you temesasel,you put mud on the car/mirror and cover yourself with broken branches. Thanks to the color of Habesha faces, I don’t think any solider in our area had to put mud on their face. If we must find a new word for Aya Haile’s sake, we could say ገጽና ተላሕሚጥና.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abrehet,

            That is so funny. You should see me laughing. I was wondering if to mimic and camouflage are the same in meaning with in Tigrinya context or usage that is.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos,
            I think mimic would be “miQdaH” ምቕዳሕ . More problematic for me is “temesasel” usually has a different meaning. as in “temesasilka niber”. At the end they both mean the same thing “look like your environment”. But somehow “camouflage” needs a more active/stronger verb in my opinion. “tesesasilka niber” on the other hand is a soft and cowardly verb. If you say “ባዕልኺ መምጽኢት ነገር ባዕልኺ መጥፍኢት ነገር። “, you will be right.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abrehet,

            That’s funny. No I won’t say that. What I would say though, the stuff you say, reminds me of someone I know.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Abrehet,
          ኣነሲ ጽቡቕ ቃል ፈጢረ ኢለ እኮ እየ። ገና ዘይተፈጥረ መሲሉኒ። ንኣኺ ምሕታት መሓሸኒ ነይሩ። እዛ ምምስሳል ግን እዝነይ ምቕባል ኣብዩዋ። ግጽ መጽሓፍ (face book) ኮይና ተሰሚዓትኒ። ናትኪ ትሕሸኒ፡ ገጽ ምልሕማጥ።

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam All

    Amanuel sahle’s article at Asenna highlights the usual Woyane’s war against ethnic Tigrigna (breaking the spine of ethnic Tigrigna), war against Eritrean patriotism, war against Eritrean revolution and history, war against Eritrean identity…….. all in defense of Habesha unity, all to serve the ‘we’re all brothers’ sinister and concept, and all to to UNITE “the two Habesha people” and all to give Ethiopia access to the Red Sea.

    And when one insults the Eritrean people, when one questions the intelligence of the Eritrean people, when questions our history and our identity……. it is within every Eritrean’s right to question and scrutinize that person’s MOTIVE. And for those who want to defend Amanuel Sahle’s Woyane propaganda (which there are many of you), this is my take:

    1. – Amanuel Sahle’s Nostalgia for moma Ethiopia:

    “ሽዑ (ኤርትራ ብኢትይጵያ ትግዛኣሉ ኣብ ዝነበረት እዋን) ከምዚ ሎሚ ህግደፍ ኣይነበሩን። ዘራጊ ስለ ዘይነበረ ድማ ጽሩይ ማይ ይስተ ነይሩ። ይኹንምበር፡ ህግደፍነት ኣብቲ ናይቲ መሪሕነት ኣእምሮ ከም ትልሚ ነይሩ እዩ ……. ትምክሕቲ መሪሕነት ሻዕብያ (ብሄረ ትግሪግኛ) ግን፡ ነቲ ፖለቲካዊ መናፍቕ ኢሉ ዝፈረዶ ኤርትራዊ ውድብ፡ ኣብ ሜዳ ኪንቀሳቕስን ሰዓብቲ ከጥርን ምርኣይ ኪወሓጠሉ ኣይከኣለን። ምሳና ሆየ ዘይበለ (ምስ ኤርትራዊ መንነት)፡ ካባና ይፈለ ዚብል ኣተሓሳስባ ካብ ሽዑ ኣትሒዙ እዩ ጀሚሩዎ

    2. – Amanuel Sahle’s contempt for the Eritrean people:

    “ኣብ ውሽጢ ሃገር ዚነብሩ መብዛሕትኦም ኤርትራውያን፡ ሉቸ ክትመጽእ ከላ እልል ዚብሉ፡ ምስ እትኸይድ ግን ስለምንታይ ከይዳ ኢሎም ኪጥይቑን ኪካትዑን ዘይክእሉ ሰባት እዮም። ገዛውቶም ኪፈርስ ከሎ ስቕ ኢሎም ይርእዩ። ባህሎምን ሃይማኖቶምን (ናይ ብሄረ ትግሪግኛ) ኪነዓቕ ኸሎ ድማ ንምቅዋም ይፈርሁ።”

    3. – Amanuel Sahle’s elitist attitude:

    “ሽሕኳ ዶብ ሰጊርካ ናብ ጎረቤት ሃገር ምእታው፡ ካብቲ ናይቲ ስርዓት ኣካላዊ ሞቑሕ ዘላቕቐካ እንተ ኾነ፡ ካብቲ ናይቲ ስርዓት ስነልቦናዊ ሞቕሕ ግን ከገላግለካ ኣይክእልን። መብዛሕትኡ ኤርትራዊ፡ ዶብ ብምስጋር ኣብቲ ዝደልዮ ሃገር ኪበጽሕ ክሎ፡ ምስኡ ተሓንጊጡዎ ዚኣቱ ከቢድ ካብቲ ስርዓት ዝሸመቶ ስነልቦናውን ኣእምሮኣውን ሕማማትን ጸገማትን ስምብራትን ኣሎ (ኤርትራዊ ሓበንን ሃገራውነትን)። ምናልባት፡ መብዛሕትኡ ዶብ ዝሰግር ኤርትራዊ ብገለ ሸነኻቱስ ዳርጋ ስንኩል ኮይኑ እዩ ናብቲ ባዕዳዊ ሃገር ዚኣቱ እንተ በልና፡ ምግናን ኣይከውንን። ብምቕጥቃጥን ብመግረፍትን ዚኽሰት ኣካላዊ ስንክልና፡ ብጭቆናን ብግፍዕን ዚመጽእ ኣእምሮኣዊ ስንክልና።”

    What makes him think he is right and others are wrong? What makes him think Eritreans fleeing from Eritrea are brainwashed by the PFDJ regime, and he is immune from being brainwashed by the Woyanes? Is that because he is smart, educated, and know it all – or he is just being a Woyane mouthpiece?

    4. – Amanuel Sahle’s against Eritrean patriotism:

    “እቲ ካብ ኩሉ ዘገርም ግን፡ እቲ ስንኩል ኢልና እንጽውዖ ዘሎና ግዳይ ህግደፍ፡ ንነብሱ ከም ጥዑይ ገይሩ ምውሳዱ እዩ፡ ከመይሲ ብፍልስፍና ህግደፍ፡ እቶም ስንኩላት ዚብሃሉ፡ እቶም ካብቲ ሞቑሑ ተላቒቖም ዶብ ዚሰግሩ ኤርትራውያን ዘይኮኑስ፡ እቶም ኣብቲ ጎረቤት ሃገር ዚቕበሉዎም (ስርዓት ወያነ) ባዕዳውያን ህዝብን ፖለቲካዊ ኣቃውማኦምን መትከላቶምን እዩ። በዚ እተላዕለ፡ መብዛሕትኡ ኤርትራዊ ስደተኛ፡ ኣብታ እተቐበለቶ ሃገር ኮይኑ እዩ ነቲ ዘሰንከሎ ስርዓት ምውዳስ ዚቕጽል። ነቲ ኻብቲ ስርዓት ዝሰነቖ ግጉይ ኣተሓሳስባን ግጉይ ስእሊ እንታይነቱን፡ ንብዙሕ ዓመታት እዩ ሒዙዎ ዚጎዓዝ።

    “እቲ ኤርትራዊ፡ እተፈላለየ መገድታትን ብልሓታትን ተጠቒሙ ኣብ ጎረቤት ሃገር ወይ ኣብ ምዕራባውያን ሃገራት ምስ ኣተወ፡ ዕቝባ ድማ ምስ ሓተተ፡ እቲ ኣካላቱ ኣብ ባዕዲ ሃገር፡ ኣእምሮኡ ግን ኣብ ውሽጢ ሃገር እዩ።”

    And what is wrong with that?

    4. – Amanuel Sahle’s war against ethnic Tigrigna:

    “ኣብዚ ኣጋጣምዚ፡ ሓደ ብጻየይ ዘዘንተወለይ ሓጻር ፍጻመ ከዘንቱ እፈቱ። ሓንቲ ኣብ ጥቓ ዶብ ኢትዮጵያ ዝዓዳ ንእሽቶ ኤርትራዊት፡ ዶብ ሰጊራ ናብ ኢትዮጵያ ትኣቱ። እቶም ኣብቲ መዓስከር እተቐበሉዋ ኣሕሉቕ በቲ ንእስነታ ተገሪሞም፡ ምናልባት ስድራኣ ከመርዕዉዋ ምስ ደለዩ ሃዲማ ዝመጸት ከይትኸውን ብማለት ነቲ ንቡር ጥያቔታት የቕርቡላ። ንሳ ዕድሜኣ 14 ምዃኑ ድሕሪ ምሕባር፡ ኣመጻጽኣኣ ክትገልጽ ከላ ግን ከምዚ ዚስዕብ ትብል፥ ካብ መርዓ ኣይኮንኩን ሃዲመ፡ ክሰግር እየ ደለየ። እቶም ኣሕሉቕ ድማ፡ ብኸመይ ደኣ እቶም ወትሃደራት ኢትዮጵያ ደው ዘየበሉኺ፡ ብምባል ይውከሱዋ። እቲ መልሳ ከምዚ ዚስዕብ እዩ ነይሩ፥ ረሳሕ ክዳን ተኸዲነ፡ ዓጋመ መሲለ እየ ተሳጊረ፡ ስለዚ ገለ ኣይበሉንን!! እቲ ዝሃበቶ መልሲ ነቶም ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣሕሉቕ ኣዚዩ ኣተሓሳሲቡዎም። ትምህርቲ ህግደፋውያን፡ እንተ ዘይቀተለስ፡ የዕነኒ።

    እቲ ኤርትራዊ፡ ኸምዚ ዝበለን ኻልእ እተፈላለየ መገድታትን ብልሓታትን ተጠቒሙ ኣብ ጎረቤት ሃገር ወይ ኣብ ምዕራባውያን ሃገራት ምስ ኣተወ፡ ዕቝባ ድማ ምስ ሓተተ፡ እቲ ኣካላቱ ኣብ ባዕዲ ሃገር፡ ኣእምሮኡ ግን ኣብ ውሽጢ ሃገር እዩ።

    What is wrong with that?

    5. – Amanuel Sahle sucking-up to the Woyanes- at the expense of ethnic Tigrignas:

    “ኣብዚ ኣጋጣምዚ፡ ሓደ ብጻየይ ዘዘንተወለይ ሓጻር ፍጻመ ከዘንቱ እፈቱ። ሓንቲ ኣብ ጥቓ ዶብ ኢትዮጵያ ዝዓዳ ንእሽቶ ኤርትራዊት፡ ዶብ ሰጊራ ናብ ኢትዮጵያ ትኣቱ። እቶም ኣብቲ መዓስከር እተቐበሉዋ ኣሕሉቕ በቲ ንእስነታ ተገሪሞም፡ ምናልባት ስድራኣ ከመርዕዉዋ ምስ ደለዩ ሃዲማ ዝመጸት ከይትኸውን ብማለት ነቲ ንቡር ጥያቔታት የቕርቡላ። ንሳ ዕድሜኣ 14 ምዃኑ ድሕሪ ምሕባር፡ ኣመጻጽኣኣ ክትገልጽ ከላ ግን ከምዚ ዚስዕብ ትብል፥ ካብ መርዓ ኣይኮንኩን ሃዲመ፡ ክሰግር እየ ደለየ። እቶም ኣሕሉቕ ድማ፡ ብኸመይ ደኣ እቶም ወትሃደራት ኢትዮጵያ ደው ዘየበሉኺ፡ ብምባል ይውከሱዋ። እቲ መልሳ ከምዚ ዚስዕብ እዩ ነይሩ፥ ረሳሕ ክዳን ተኸዲነ፡ ዓጋመ መሲለ እየ ተሳጊረ፡ ስለዚ ገለ ኣይበሉንን!! እቲ ዝሃበቶ መልሲ ነቶም ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣሕሉቕ ኣዚዩ ኣተሓሳሲቡዎም። ትምህርቲ ህግደፋውያን፡ እንተ ዘይቀተለስ፡ የዕነኒ።

    ኤርትራዊ፡ ኤርትራዊ ምዃኑ ዘረጋግጸሉ መገዲ፡ ብቐዳምነት እቲ ዚሕዞ ታሴራ ወይ ወረቐት መንነት እኳ እንተ ኾነ፡ ካብኡ ቀጺሉ ግን፡ ንኢትዮጵያን ንኢትዮጵያውያን ምጽላእን ምንእኣስን ከም ቀንዲ መረጋገጺ ኤርትራውነቱ ገይሩ እዩ ዚወስዶ። ነዚ ድማ ብእተፈላለየ ጸርፍታትን ዘለፋን ኣሽካዕላልን ይገልጾ። ቀጺሉ ነቶም ኣባላት ተቓወምቲ ደምበን ንሰዓብቶምን ደገፍቶምን ምንሻውን ምጽላምን፡ ሓደ ካብቲ ንኤርትራዊ መንነንቱ ፍጹም ንምግባር ከማልኦ ዘለዎ ነጥብታት ገይሩ እዩ ዚቘጽሮ። ካብዚ ስዒቡ፡ ነቲ ኣብ ትሕቲ እቲ ስርዓት ከሎ ንነብሱን ዓቕምታቱን ዚልምከት ዘጥረዮ ግጉይ ስእሊ ኣብ ግብሪ ንምውዓል፡ ንነብሱ ከም ፈላጥን ጥበበኛን ገይሩ ይወስዳ። መን ከም ኤርትራዊ፡ ዚብል ሕማም ይድግሶ። ብሓይሊ፡ ብፍልጠት፡ ብመልክዕ፡ ብጥበብ ወዘተ፡ ዚወዳደሮ ከም ዘየልቦ ገይሩ ድማ ንነብሱ ከዐሽዋ ይነብር።”

    6. – Amanuel Sahle’s lying and untruthfulness:

    እዚ ብዛዕባ ነብስኻን ብዛዕባ ካልእ ዓለምን ኣብ መብዛሕትኡ ኤርትራዊ ዚጥረ ግጉይ ወይ ጥምዙዝ ስእልዚ…. ኸይኣክል፡ ኣብ መብዛሕትኦም ኣብ ወጻኢ ዚቕመጡ ኤርትራውያን ዚረአ ናይ ምፍልላይ ባህርያት፡ ተስፋ ዘቝርጽ እዩ። እዚ ድማ መብዛሕትኡ ግዜ ኣብ ኣውራጃን፡ ቀቢላን፡ ሃይማኖትን፡ ፖለቲካዊ ዝንባሌን፡ ዘተኮረ እዩ። ገሊኣቶም ድማ ኣብ ድሑር ሃይማኖታዊ ሕልሚ ተኣሊኾም፡ ኣድሓርን ሕልና ዘዕርብን ድኹምን ትምህርቲ ኪዝርግሑ ይረኣዩ። ናይ ባዕዲ ሃገራት ኣጀንዳታት ዘጣጥሑ ድማ ውሑዳት ኣይኮኑን።”

    Isn’t ethnic politics, regional politics, religious politics, prostituting to foreign governments and foreign agencies the modus operandi of the Woyanes, and the Woyane pampered Eritrean opposition? Am I missing something here? There are million reasons to accuse the PFDJ regime, but ethnic politics, religious politics and regional politics is not one of them.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Semere Tesfai
      Unless u consider tigrai is the only habesha in ethiopia , if u use “agazi” instead of habesha what u saying make more sense. because thinking tplf is working for habesha or ethio-eri unity is absurd.
      U can call it the greater tigrai or u can call it agaziland or tigrai- tigragna.

      • blink

        Dear Teodrose
        Yes , tigrai -Tigrinya describes them well. The tigrai -Tigrinya was incubated just when the tornado was brewing in Ethiopia targeting the Tigrains . The main challenge for them is that , they will find very few who can buy their bet from Eritreans. Air ticket to Mekele is for free if you can support their rotten eggs.

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam blink
          Yes i know nobody buys tigrai-tigragna in eritrea , even though tplf’s ciber warriors trying make it look like eritreans in it too.

        • Amde

          Selam blink,

          I thought Tigrai-Tigrigni had a much older pedigree.
          At least preceding WW2 and perhaps the true aim of WelWel.

          Am I wrong?

          Not everything is a Weyane plot.

          It is one of those ideas whose obvious simplicity is seductive on the face of it but devilishy difficult to implement.

          It needs a Bismarck or a Garibaldi to pull everyone with cultural similarity under one political roof.

          You should visit Somali Forums sometimes.

          Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            The so-called tigrai-tigrigni union and the agaziland myth, is nothing else but sleep walking into the unknown out of frustration and out of losing one’s compass. It is trying to solve a problem with a worse problem, similar to struggling when in a quicksand.

            What i fail to understand is, where will this tewahdo-habesha union put the 50% or so muslim eritreans? Are they going to subjugate them by force or leave them to go their own way? This is the main question proponents of the above myths have to answer before anything else. Fortunately, it does not look appealing to most tigrayans and eritreans.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            Assuming both Eritrea and Tigrai are @7mln.each, the Muslim will no longer be 50% of Agazia. More of 30% at best. The Agazians will want to take the Afar region along for viability purposes, so that might bring the Muslim % up a bit.

            But most likely, Western Lowlands will choose to split off and join their brethren in Sudan, than live in a Tewahdo permanent majority country.

            I will say it doesn’t work. It has slightly better odds if it is redefined from a Tigrinya+Tewahdo Nation, to a Tigrinya+Tigre Nation, but with majority Tewahdo.

            Yeah its crazy. Odds are extremely low. But never say never if there are people willing to spill sufficient blood. There will be much of it.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Agazians are a bunch of disgruntled lots including the founder who is not only a nutcase but a scumbag as well. I am actually surprised you’re taking them serious.

            The Eritrean identity* is deeply rooted so much so that if there is an attempt to revisit the “British Proposal” it will certainly be a futile attempt to say the least.

            For some reason that is curious and interesting, if there is any revolt against the status quo, it always springs up from the Law-Lands [Hamid Idris Awate, Wedi Ali, Haj Mussa] and one can not miss the intense sense of Eritrawnet from the pattern much less to assume that they would opt to be part of Sudan instead. If they have entertained the idea of joining Sudan in the past, it is precisely because the incompetent former Ethiopian leaders left them with no choice.

            *Identity and genetic pedigree are two different things.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            “For some reason that is curious and interesting, if there is any revolt against the status quo, it always springs up from the Law-Lands [Hamid Idris Awate, Wedi Ali, Haj Mussa].” It is well established facts, that it is them, and not us in every revolutionary initiation against oppression and subjugation. They have inistinctive reaction against oppression than us the highlanders.

            Regards

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            No wonder they scare Isaias the sh*t out of him.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr.Paulos,

            This is another fact: Issayas scares from Akeleguzay and lowlanders.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            I have always wondered about the origin or etiology of the names as in:

            Hamasien
            Seraye
            Akeleguzai
            Gashsetit
            Semhar
            Denkalia

            Hailat or Abrehet might know.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dr Paulos,

            Sorry buddy, I don’t have any clue. What I know is: they are our geographic identity, no matter what the regime does to erase it.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,
            This time, I am not going to speculate, interpret or invent. Abrehet is watching me ብጎቦ ዓይኒ, by mountain-eye as Kbrom would say. Where is he BTW? This time I am going to turn pages of books like ታሪኽ ሃዘጋን ጸዓዘጋን for Hamasien and probably others too. Gash setit is from the name of rivers, will check which is which.

          • Saleh Johar

            Haile S.
            This is real and it happened in my ninth grade class when a no-nonsense girl in the class broke out crying. Our teacher, a SriLankan named Joseph asked her and she pointed to Negga a jolly classmate. He defended himself brilliantly: she looked at me with her mountain eyes.” I don’t know if this was the source of that joke or it could have happened elsewhere. But I got a good laugh at that as I always do when I remember it.

          • Haile S.

            Hey Saleh,
            Laughed a lot. With my chilhood friend who used to translate every tigrigna to english and who contaminated me, we use to do that a lot. He is the one I told recently was singing ሰማይ እንዶ ኣንጽሓዮ ጎተናኻ’የ in english.
            I have to say this true story about him in tigrigna: ኣዋልድ፡ ስለዘስሕቐን ክፈትውኦ መዓት እየን ነይረን። ሓደ መዓልቲ ሓንቲ ቆርጫጭ ጓል ቤትትምህርትና ሓምሳ መትሓዝ ርእሲ ጌራ ነዘን ጸጉራ መጢጣ በጥ ኣቢላ ኣትሒዛተን ኣብ ዕረፍቲ ትመጽእ፡ ኣብ ብዙሓት ትሕወስ። ሽዑ እዚ ዓርከይ፡ ኣቲ ይብላ፡ ሃንጥሸው ከይትብሊ ኣዒንትና ከይተዕውርና። ምስክነይቲ ጓል ቤትትምህርቲ ክሳብ ጫጭ ኢላ ትበኪ ኮይና እብለኩም።

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat & Dr Paulos,

            “Gash setit” was part of the “Barka province” in the original administrative units of Eritrea. It was lately they divide Barka in to two. Except Dankelia that took its name from the social group who lived there, others are of different historical background. I don’t know how old to remember it, but there was a province Saho-Assawert with a capital city Zula in the original provincial districting which later redistricted to Denkelia and Akleguzay.

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Hi Emma,
            Interesting. I didn’t know this. Thanks

          • Paulos

            Thank you Sir. Didn’t know that.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I am etiology buff if you will. Back in Asmara, my High School English teacher made an impression on me when he said, to get a better grasp of anything, try to look for its roots.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Paul,
            As promised, here are some answers I got for you questions. I avoided going into the detailed history, no time to read details, but I am giving some references.

            Hamasien ካብ ሓማት ሑሴን ዝመጸ እዩ። እዚ ቦታ ናይ መን እዩ ወይ ከኣ እዞም ሰባት ካበይ መጺኦም ንዝብል መልሲ ናይ/ካብ መሬት ሓማት ሑሴን (ንሑሴን ሓማቱ)።

            Seraye: ክልተ ሓሳብ ኣሎ። 1 ካብ ስራሕ፡ ሰራሕተኛታት ዝመጸ። 2 ካብ ስራይ፡ in its medical connotation.

            Akeleguzai ካብ ክልተ ኣሕዋት ኣከለን ጉዛይን ዝብሃሉ ደቂ ንጉስ ሜሮን። according to version told in Akeleguzai, but the frequently cited children of king Meron are ጫሉቕ፡ ፋሉቕ ኣንድ ማሉቕ። need to see the detailed narative in the 2nd references.

            Gashsetit from Gash (Mereb) and setit ( Tekezze).

            The others Semhar & Denkalia: I couldn’t find easily, but the 3 book is very rich in names and genealigy including these two pkaces that possible origin may be found insude the book.

            Refs
            1 Traditions de Tsazzega et Hazzega. By Johannes Kolmodin.
            2 Mereb mlash by Perrini
            3 ታሪኽ ወልዶ ሕዝቢ ኤርትራ ብ በርህስነ ተስፋማርያም።

            Best

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I can’t thank you enough. You’re simply the best. This is really cool stuff. I bet, most people don’t know these. Next time I see you in Asmara, the icy cold Heineken is on me or if you’re not into Beers, Coirvoisier ከነውርድ ኢና. Thank you again!

          • Haile S.

            Thank you Paul,
            I am okay with the beer. If you like beer, try Belgian, la Chouffe for example. Attention, with moderation, it is high in alcohol!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Thank you for the info. Is there any time references as to when these naming was happened in the books you referenced?

          • Haile S.

            Hi Emma,
            Great question. No, these were taken from oral traditions collected by this Swidish hisorian (Kolmodin) and Italuan and French historians and/or missionaries, but a dedicated researcher can arrive at estimates comparing what is said in the oral traditions, the names mentioned and rare published historical documents and maps. Could be a great sibject foe a thesis. ሓማት ሑሴት ሑሴን is presented as በለው-ቀለው tribe and a muslim; therefore, if true it happenned after the coming of Islam in our region. Here you go for a date.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Thank you again. Do you know what makes me sick? when Eritrean historians study (researched) about other countries’s history, while ours is relegated to oral history for generations.

          • Haile S.

            Dear Emma,
            You are right. But from your younger brother, if I may, do not be bitter on our people and the few educated in social sciences, for example referring to our present talk. It is largely a question of means if we put aside the absence of tranquility, the biggest hurddle even when you have means. I totally understand from where you are coming. I do too and some others as well, but I see you more bitter than not. Bitterness begets bitterness. Lets sometimes celebrate the few that do good. I know there is more that drags us back more than moving us forwards. Reading Beyan’s last comment does not invite to say what I am saying, but we need to keep sanity in the prevailing insanity. I apologize if I crossed lines, it is in profound sincerity.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            If the current realities of our people does not induce you bitterness, then what? Our people are facing way worse than they were under the Ethiopian regimes and are becoming victims of all sorts of evils. “እዝውን ክሓልፍዩ” እንዳተባህለ ብዘይ መሪር ቃልሲ ዝሓልፍ ነገር የሎን:: እዚ ዘሎ ምረት ንህዝብና ሁንዱድ ሕልና ዝፈጥረሉን
            ጨካን ተቃላሳይ ዘይገብሮን
            እንተደአ ዘይኮይኑ እንታይ ፋይዳ አለዎ ሃይላት ሓወይ:: አነ ዝርኢ ዘለኹ ሕልንኡ ዝደኸመ ህዝቢ እየ ዝዕዘብ ዘለኹ:: We are in a very disappointing situation, unless we deny it.

            Regards

          • Abrehet Yosief

            ጎይታይ ኣማን
            ተስፋ ዘቑርጽ እንድዩ ግናስ ዓቕሊ ኣይተጽብቡ. The research and publishing of books may not take place as we expect them, but they continue in different forms. Students in the colleges back home do their essays and research, always trying to focus on original or un-researched topics. They are not on the internet and they may not be top quality due to lack of resources, but the work continues. For now, watch the music video that our sister ጽጌረዳ recommended (youtube – das Hawya) It is not a research work but even the legends need to continue. From oral tradition to digital tradition. The indomitable spirit of a people to leave their mark continues. A luta continua.

          • Paulos

            Selam Abrehet,

            Sure thing, continua it does. Aman is asking, when is it going to end? ደድሕሪ ህቦብላ ንፋስ ምጉያይ so it seems. In the mean time the whirlwind devours mercilessly including children.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ኣብረሀት ሓውተይ፡
            ነዚ ቆልዓ እዚ እኳ መጽሓፍ ሂብካ ኢዱ እንተ ዘይኣሲርካዮ፡ ዝተኣስረ እዩ ዝፍንጥሕ።
            Paul go to NEJM website and download a free ebook on “The Critical Role of Clinical Leaders:
            Transforming Care Today and Tomorrow”. The notice was just released. This likely applies to you, Tzigereda, Emma & perhaps others.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Thanks much for the info. Will do. Forgot to ask you earlier, do you know Afwerki? He was the only French language teacher in Asmara. Tall and big dude from Edaga Hamus. Was wondering if you know him or know of him.

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            If I an not mixing-up, yes, I think so. If before ቶግ ቶግ there were 2 french teachers in Qehas-HS. “Afewerqi” and an amharic speaking lady (shame on me, she was my teacher 9th). She use to say silence s’il vous plait (silence please) every minute and because of that, we use to call her Mme slas (ሥላስ)። Afewerqi had a sister same grade as me or +1. My recollection is both joined Ghedli. I thought they were from Godaif, may be we are talking of 2 different people.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            He couldn’t have been a teacher back then. He is not that old. And don’t think he joined Ghedli. I guess we’re talking about two different Afwerqis. In any case, thought you knew him for he was the only French language teacher in the 80s.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Aya Haile and Paulos,
            Thank you Aya Haile. If we are looking for something to occupy “our hands”, do you follow Bokre Culture & History on Youtube?

          • Paulos

            Selam Haftey,

            Will check it out. Thank you.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abrehet,
            Thank you for letting us know of Bokre. Interesting person. I didn’t know such extensive explanation for a letter such as ‘ሀ’. I will continue watching. It really occupies hands and mind. Thank you again Abrehet.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Paulos,

            For every lose of Eritrean life under the regime directly or indirectly , they will continue to sing the same chorus

            – እዝውን ክሓልፍ’ዩ
            – እዝውን ክሓልፍ’ዩ
            – እዝውን ክሓልፍ’ዩ
            Without any seriousness to do something about it. And it is bad to hear it from the young generation. Aygermekan.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amanuel,
            My response was referring to your comment on Eritrean researching history of others and documenting our oral history. Sorry if I seemed to trivialize your valid distress on the situation of our country.

          • blink

            Dear Abrahet
            Don’t forget Amanuel Hidrat is one of these who did not challenge wedi Aker and yet he swim his remaining life in Regional, Ethnic politics and so divid Eritreans. He is accusing these from his old regional administrations as the supporters of PFDJ .what is good for Amanuel Hidrat is not good for majority of Eritreans that’s is how I see it. He is just bitter and bad loser . Bitter loser want to bite anything around because the level hate at his head is incurable, I am sure he will take the hate to graves even after 70 years from now people can find the prescription of all the hate ingredients in his DNA.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam blink,
            I know Amanuel Hidrat. If it was not in cyberspace, I know I don’t deserve to sit at the same table with him to discuss anything.

            Moreover, you should also know I am not one who needs your guidance to assess others. If you don’t find anyone’s contribution useful, and if you have expressed your feelings once, perhaps you should ignore them and follow only the ones you find useful. To me, it seems that you are simply trying to irritate certain people. And that says more about you. I personally enjoy and learn from reading your comments and inquiries. How about leaving the personal attacks aside ዝወደይ ብሩኽ።

          • blink

            Dear Abrhet
            I just wanted to bring to your attention that there are many people who see different angle , I am not here to tell you about him nor to irritate him or any one.

          • Paulos

            Haftey,

            You’re so funny. I bet you’re the youngest forumer and yet you say, ዝወደይ.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos,
            Earlier you were asking me the meaning of names of awrajas as if I was at their ጥምቅት። Now I am the youngest? What is it ሓዲኡ ኣፍልጡና።

          • Paulos

            Selam Haftey,

            Hahaha. Good one! You’re the youngest and the smartest. እሾኽ ምስ በላሓ ትዉለድ as they say.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            I am just curious, do you have all the referenced books or you look for them, say, at public libraries [Library of Congress]?

          • Haile S.

            Hi Paul,
            I have the three I cited. Some are freely available on google books. When I was in France, I use to go to 3 of the oldest libraries (2 need permission) who have almost all possible books of our region and I kept notes that BTW I don’t find so easily now among the papers. And regularly, I used to go to go antique book shops and if affordable, I used to buy. One day, I find James Bruces full volumes and the store owner asked me 5000 or 15000 francs at that time. I couldn’t spend that much. But now all written volumes are freely available at google books, if you want to read. Please do if you have time.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            Man, that’s pretty cool stuff. I have a collection of of books myself I collected over the span of roughly 20 years. The joy of reading one would say.

            I have been to London, UK a number of times, and everytime I travel, I made sure visit the SOAS library where it is considered the second biggest library in the world in terms of volume of books. I remember reading there Dan Connell’s “Conversation with Eritrean Political Prisoners” among others and I am sure the books you cited are there as well for the place is a bonanza of books if you will. Please educate us and keep the good stuff coming. Thanks again.

          • Tesfu

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,
            If he is really scared from Akele why is he married to Akeleguzayt

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            The lowlands as spring-board of intense Eritrawinet..

            I think it is actually perfectly understandable, especially when Ethiopia was “officially” a Christian political entity. I just think the Agazian (or Tigrai-Tigrigni) project will just recreate that original unease.

            What, in effect, is the difference between the Agazian and the Tigrai-Tigrigni ideas?

            I agree we are not talking about genetics – just a matter of identity.

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Agazian is a desperate measure intended to make a meaning out of the chaos the nation Eritrea finds itself in. Agazian lacks authenticity, regorious historical consistency and appeals to the basic instincts of people where people find an easy way out as they project the cause of the malady on the notion of “The Others”. Populism if you will.

            Tigrai-Tigrigni on the other hand was not a political statement per se but based on the notion of “Irredentism” to weaken the immediate legacy of Colonialism. But of course, its after-taste was later picked up as a manifesto when Isaias manipulated the then emerging Fronts as a struggle between the High and Low-Lands. If Isaias had used the strategy to mobilize the people who hail from the High-Lands as a means to a noble end as opposed to an end on itself, disgruntled and fringe movements as in the Agazians wouldn’t have come to exist.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            May i ask , let us say the eritreans muslim didn’t want to be dominated by Christian(fetha negest) gov in ethiopia but things changed and if ethiopia becomes democracy for all its citizens .do u think they will think the same way like they used to think in the time of Christian domination?
            What about ethiopian muslim influence on the region?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            My sense from following the conversations here is that Eritrea’s Western Muslims feel closer to Eastern Sudan and their ethnic kin there than they feel an affinity to other Ethiopians just because they are Muslims as well. So if Eritrea doesn’t work out for them they will look West than look South.

            Just my opinion though.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            It could be because of the previous gov. They feel closer to sudan.
            What do u think ?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros,

            I think has contributed but honestly I don’t think so.

            I try to tell myself to put a topographical map over a political map. I believe Geography trumps ideology almost every time.

            The lowland people have very different experiences over many centuries than the highland ones. The climate, food, diseases, animals – all those drive behaviour.

            For example, as you know, Christianity arrived to Ethiopia a number of centuries before Islam. It is quite reasonable to think then that the Afar woukd have been extensively exposed to Orthodox Christianity way before Islam came about. Were they ever Christians in any number? I don’t know. But you have to agree that the ፆም stipulations against eating meat or dairy for many weeks is simply impractical for a nomadic people. But for a farmer who has grains to eat it is no big deal. You can tell these dietary rules were prescribed by persons that are not familiar with the life challenges of nomadic people.

            Or the idea of land. For a nomadic people, nobody “owns” the land – traditionally it is just identified as grazing and watering area for cattle, and they are interested in keeping it as free to use for in-group as possible. But for a farmer, the idea of personal ownership of land is quite natural and as you probably know created many disputes even within immediate families.

            Just add up all such differences over the centuries, and one can see why there would be many differences.

            Most of Ethiopia’s people are highlanders, and the customs and institutions develop from within that context. That is part of the reason why I am skeptical western lowlander Eritreans would gravitate to Sudan before they do towards Ethiopia.

            Amde

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amdei
            I know it sounds nagging but one more question, what do u think of creating a modern culture in tearms of solving this kind of thing? U think it will be solution? (Rule of law like the western culture)?

          • Amde

            Selam Teodros

            ወይ ጉድ it is not nagging at all.

            My feeling is.. if it was so easy it would have happened a long time ago.

            Our “intellectuals” are badly arrogant. I had a friend during Derg times. He was in one of the leftist opposition groups and he spent time in kerchele. He was telling once, how the Chinese decided one day that flies (ዝንቦች) are bad, and that they made a decision to eradicate flies and they made it happen. Sounds like a joke right? But he was serious.. and it is the kind of stuff which our (especially 60s student movement era) revolutionaries believe is possible.

            Rule of law would help solve it, but again, if it was so easy it would have happened in more places more quickly and in a more durable manner.

            I think economic changes will over time make a difference. If Ethiopia’s rate of economic growth continues for a generation, the economic integration it will bring will make what happened before into dim history. Still, I think it is more likely that Eritrean highlands and Afar regions are most likely to be integrated than the western lowlands.

            Amde

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Amde,
            I believe all Eritreans are conscious enough to realize one cannot exist peacefully in an alienation with neighbors. But the experience we had with Ethiopian rulers has been too painful and for too long. The memories are still fresh in the minds and brushing them off will not heal the wounds, being open and addressing them honestly will. That level of courage we have not reached yet, on both sides.

            The current outburst of the barrel-heads is something that reappears every now and then. Mind you, it doesn’t come from those who read history and understand its causes and implication. It comes from those who think history is a luxury or do not have the ability or wherewithal to read and study it. I hold the view that if a problem is not solved once and for all, it will linger for too long and cause problems. We solved our problem with the past militarily but failed to resolve it politically (both sides)

            The second impediment is that those who shout outrageous slogans are too emotional and very impressionable to be taken seriously. Worse, they think they discovered a new ideology or stumbled on a fine social and political problem and solution. They think they are unique ideologues yet they believe in crude, racist, and bigoted ideas and politics. But I also recognize such behaviors do not spring out of thin air, they have to find a conducive environment that makes them believe they are the geniuses we have all been waiting for.

            Our region is full of patriotic (excessive I might add) when it comes to selling out, but we do have our own chaff and it saddens me when learned people think Eritreans can be swayed by the chaff. They are only the embodiment of all our bruises, backwardness, and psychological barriers; anyone who agitates them is the culprit. Sadly, they know the idea is a stillborn that has been buried almost a hundred years ago. But they cannot settle for modern mechanisms of coexistent, concepts that elevate the citizen and shun bigotry and living under the rule of the law where the citizen is the the main ingredient of a nation. They are possessed by the evil belief of master-slave relations and they are still living in the stone age.

            Dear Amde, there is a village song I heard in Keren last night….in my dream 🙂

            ተቃጥሎ-ተቃጥሎ ኣመዱ ሲታፈሰ
            ኣለሁ-ኣለሁ ይላል ሰሙም ባይጠቀስ
            የበነነ ያለቀለት ኣመድ ምን ይተረፈዋል?
            መርዝ ሲነዛ ግን ኣለሁ-ኣለሁ ያስኘዋል
            ስመተሃል ወይ በየመንድሩ ሲወራ
            ኣስከረን ለትዳር -ኣስከረን ለትዳር ተብሎ ሲጠራ?

            ይላል የከረን ሰው: ራሰ ኣምደ

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Saleh,

            ይቺ “ራስ” የሚልዋት ነገር ከ ራስ Abi ጋር ሊያጣሉኝ ነው። (haha)

            A touching village song indeed. I hope you will grace us with a happier Keren song, something I can whistle when i visit it one day.

            You know, the older I get the more I tend to believe in “manage” vs “solve”. It is a pretty pessimistic outlook I know. But it is a realistic one.

            Humans learn veerrryyyy slowly as a group. Learning is an individual thing. So every generation has to “re-learn” each set of historical circumstances. It is funny how the Afghanistan that defeated Alexander also (for all intents and purposes) defeated the US, even with all the cliche warning about not getting bogged in a land war in Asia.

            It says to me that there are perrenial issues that we collectively have not managed to understand to their root and so have to relearn to manage their symptoms again and again. It rains every ክረምት። What are the political equivalents of ክረምት?

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            Man, you’re good! If Eritrea has Ismail AA, Ethiopia has Gashe Amde!

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            Man that is very gracious. But nowhere near accurate. Haha.

            Gash Ismail AA is a giant and a treasure of the Horn.

            Amde is anonymous for a reason. He knows enough to know he knows nothing. 🙂

            Amde..

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            I kid you not. I insist. You two have a lot of class not to mention well balanced intelect. God bless!

          • Selam Amde,

            We are living in a political ክረምት since 1960, if not in a political ice age. If these countries were not poor and backward and they owned wmd, they would have used it to annihilate each other from the face of the planet earth.

            Ethiopia should work hard towards economic success, and befriend those who want to befriend her, and leave others to lead their life their own way, provided they do not disturb her peace and security. Ethiopia’s economic success will bring political success, peace and harmony, not only within the country, but to the whole region as well.

            S.T. was saying that eritrea is under the influence of two opposing vectors (forces), the one pulling her southwards to the tewahdo-habesha pole, and the other towards the arab league, and she is to live suspended in the air by these two opposing forces, and not independently as one would have liked.

            In my opinion, the south-ward vector should continue to lose its power, at least from the ethiopian side, until its existence is completely erased from the psyche of both people. It is a force that brings anomaly and drags and stagnates ethiopia. Both people should learn to live and develop their countries independently of each other.

            The umbilical cord that is supposed to join the two people should be severed for good, if that is the only way to bring peace, as many people are suggesting. We find it difficult to live in peace side by side, let alone together. Ethio-eritrean politics is like the story of the mythical sisyphus, condemned to push a large rock uphill, an impossible task.

            This is how my opinion has morphed over time, from a sentimentalist to a pragmatist. This way political spring may come to the region at last.

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Teodros Alem

        “Unless u consider tigrai is the only habesha in ethiopia , if u use “agazi” instead of habesha what u saying make more sense. because thinking tplf is working for habesha or ethio-eri unity is absurd.”

        This is how I see things:

        A. – There are Unionists who believe Eritreans and Ethiopians are all HABESHA people who shouldn’t have separated on the first place.

        B. – There are AgAzians who believe Eritreans and Tigreans are all the same AgAzian people who shouldn’t have gone their separate ways in 1991

        C. – But, but, but… the great majority of Eritreans and Ethiopians DO NOT identify themselves as Habeshas or as AgAzians

        Now, most Eritreans who are nostalgic about life pre-Eritrean independence, and who wanted to be united/close with Ethiopia are not AgAzians – they are UNIONISTS. And Amanuel Sahle seems more of a UNIONIST than an AgAzian of Tigray-Tigrigni. That is my take.

        Semere Tesfai

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam
          Semere Tesfai
          at first I didn’t read the tigragna part of ur comment and that was why i thought he(amanuel sahle) is another paid tplf admirer just like aman h kind of admirer but i see ur point now.
          Thanks.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Teodros,
            ” …i thought he(amanuel sahle) is another paid tplf admirer just like aman h kind …”
            Why would you say that? When we want you to correct on the first mistake, you guys double it by adding mire names to the list of your defamation.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam hayat
            Since u can’t think outside of ur narrow tplf, it is useless to talk to u.

          • Hayat Adem

            Teodros,
            The phrase “another paid tplf admirer” doesn’t seem an innocent mistake or assumption… .

        • Mez

          Dear Semere Tesfay,

          1) A lot of people think that with the independence of Eritrea, the political ideology of UNIONIST Movement is dead.

          2) Do you think in a modern state of Eritrea UNIONISTS could revive as an alternative political ideology?

          Thanks

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Mez

            1. – “Do you think in a modern state of Eritrea UNIONISTS could revive as an alternative political ideology?”

            Ideas don’t die, people do – at least for the near future.

            2. – “Could UNIONISTS revive as an alternative political ideology?”

            I don’t believe they will/could. And this is my reason:

            A. – Ethio-Eritrean Federation was opposed by overwhelming Eritrean Muslim communities. The reason: they were afraid from being diluted to insignificance by the big, populus, powerful “Habesha” “Christian” Ethiopia. Today, the degree my vary, but I don’t believe the attitude of Eritrean Muslims toward UNION with Ethiopia has changed much.

            B. – Assuming Eritrean Muslim-Christian ratio is 50/50, and assuming the great majority of Eritrean Muslims are against UNION with Ethiopia, and assuming a big chunk of the ethnic Tigrignas are going to side with their Muslim brothers…….. well you got the idea.

            C. – Considering the Eritrean religious demography and its sensitivity, I doubt Eritrea would even have a legal UNIONIST party in future Eritrea.

            D. – Eritrea will always have two vectors one pulling towards the Arab League and another pulling towards South. And the resultant vector would be somewhere in between – at least for the foreseeable future.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Mez

            Dear Semere Tesfay,

            I am highly surprised with your take. Your educated guss is very similar to mine, but with quite different reasoning.

            Regarding the past Unionist ideology (#1):
            1) their federation effort brought a lot of destruction and incoherent socioeconomic output for Eritrea and also Ethiopia. Further the unilateral abolition of the federation, the communism in Addis Ababa, the onslaught of the independent fighters etc. badly damaged their unionist political agenda.
            2) Now Eritrea is a nation, has a government, and its own internal dynamics as a nation. Political framings (since 1960ies) had changed, and are completely new now. Under an open society realpolitik, no one wants Siver (federation to Ethiopia), and get rid of Gold (an independent nationhood). No way.

            On your points (A to D), i have to say ” you placed me in upside down position, there by robbing my ability to have a clear thinking, i may say”.
            3. I am thinking, to say the least, the historical inclination of highlander (primarily christians) towards Habesha, and Muslims towards the Arab Ligue is a bigone (A spent cartridge) political force (sociopolitical outlook) now.
            3.1) in the past 50 years, the social dynamics of our region (africa and middle east) changed substantially. The monarchy system in Ethiopia, nasrist, brotherhood, baath, african socialism, communism, and other political currents of the federation era (and subsequent decades) are phased out now. A big segment of the Ethiopian society is also follower of Muslim religion.
            3.1) currently, there is a substantial degree of interdynamics in the wider continental region towards more benefit driven policy development–and within countries merit-driven national political party affiliations.
            4) as a result of the above, I don’t think the the Muslim-christian divide in Eritrea will be the major tone-giving factor in any current and future Eritrean foreign policy compilation; or internal socioeconomic dynamics and political party formation.
            5) Future Eritrean interdynamics with Ethiopia and/or the Sudan will primarily be driven by a competitive economic need of each other.
            6) Due to the high population density, North and South of the Mereb River, future economic integration of Eritrea with Ethiopia will be higher than any one else.

            Thanks

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Semere Tesfay,

      I would like to see against his argument for all the six points you quoted him, rather than tagging the person with adjectives. Are you run out of of idea to make substantive arguments? Come on Semere. Even if you come with a roaring voice (we are used of you) as far as you could make your points. Where is “እቲ ልኡም ቋንቋ ዝሃነጸና”?

      Regards

    • chefena

      Buy some twist of fate, I have known Amanuel as both a teacher who introduced me to Prose, as well an office mate. He has always fascinated many people by his unique critical view about every social phenomena. As many would recall, asked by ድምጺ ሓፋሽ before the euphoria of independence subsided, about the new era we were getting into, and specifically about the the ተጋዳልይ Vs ገባር relations. He described it in a terse language ‘ከም ማይን ጸባን`። Many didn’t take him seriously at that time, but later on would say ‘how prophetic! Did he know what was Issais had in store for us?. Could it be because he knew Issais since childhood? I would sometimes think of Amanuel, from his casual remarks, an average Eritrea would take him an eccentric, but in no way a mercenary as some of you want to present. Also, unlike many of us he had a rather sceptical view of nationalism.

      • Paulos

        Selam Professor Chefena,

        That certainly is a cheap low blow for Amanuel Sahle is anything but. Perhaps, the campaign to malign his name started when he moved to Meqele where people took it as a sellout when he probably wanted to be close to Eritreans when they need someone of his intellectual stature and moral support as well. As I always say it, the sad thing is that Isaias sets the rules of the game and he is a master of beating all of us at his own game.

        I have always been a big fan of Amanuel Sahle as I religiously followed his works as in Hanti Alem and Eritrean Profile as well. His remarkable ability of retaining information on par with an encyclopedic depth should be celebrated and emulated not vilified including his critique of the contemporaneous social and political realities.

      • Berhe Y

        ዝኸበርካ ዶር ጨፈና፤

        ሓደ ዓቢ አቦ ፡ ካብቲ ንብዙሕ ዓመታይ ብሑስር ክራይ ዝቕመጥሉ ዝነበሩ፡ ሻዕብያ ምስ አተዉ ብግፍዒ አውጺኦም ነቶም አብ ወጻኡ ዝነብሩ ሰብ ዶላር ንብረቶም ይመልስሎም፡፡ እዞም አቦ አብ መዘጋጀ ቤት ንብዙሕ ዓመታት ዘገልገሉ ጥሩተኛ ነበሩ፡፡ መንግስቲ ሻዕቢያ፡ ጥሮታ ገንዘብ የብልናን ኢሎም፡ ብዘይ ገለ መለ ምንም ገንዘብ ከም ዘይረኽቡ ገበሩዎም፡፡ እቶም አቦ ገዛ የብሎም፡ ደሞዝ ጥሮታ የብሎም፡ ዝኸድዎ ምስ ሰአኑ፡ ምስ ጋሎም በዓልቲ ሓዳር ተጸጊዖም ይነብሩ ነበሩ፡፡

        እቶም አቦ በቲ ዝወረዶም ሃንደበት ምክልባት፡ እሞ ኸአ መፍቲሒ ዘይብሉ ናይ ጨካናት ስራሕ ደንጺዎም መንዛሕቱ ግዜ ዝን እንዳብሉ ምስ ነብሶም ይዛረቡ ነበሩ፡፡ እዚ ከይእይክል ድማ፡ ክልተ ደቆም ዘሰዉኡ ወላዲ ጀጋኑ እዮም፡፡

        እታ ነዚ ዝተዓዘበት ጋሎም፡ መታን መዛናጊዒ ክኾነሎም ኢላ፡ ከምዚ በለቶም፡፡

        አቦ፡ እንታይ ድአ ዝን ኢልካ፡፡ መታን መዘናጊዒ ክኾነካ ክሳብ ቡን ዘፍልሕ፡ እታ ናይ ተጋደልቲ ሆ እንዳብለኡ ክአትዉ ከልዉ ተርኢ ቪድዮ ዶ ክውልዓልካ በለቶም፡፡

        አንቲ ጋለይ ዝተመርቕኪ እንዲኺ፡ ካብ በልክሲ፡ በሊ ነታ ቪድዮ፡ ገልቢጥኪ አእትዉያ እሞ፡ ሆ እንዳበሉ ክወጹ ከለዉ እንተአርአየቲኒ፡ በሉዋ ይበሃል፡፡

        ሳልሕ ዮኑስ፡ ንጋዜጣዎ ምልክያስ ምሕረተአብ (ይመስለኒ) ህግደፍ እንታይ እዩ ሽግሩ ምስ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ኢሉ ምስ ሓተቶ፡፡ “ህግደፍ ምስ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ቂም አልዎ” ክብል መልሰሉ፡፡

        ዋላካ ንዓይ፡ ነቶም ብዝሓት አይመስለናን እንተ ነበርስ፡ እቲ ዘሎዎም ቅምሲ ገና እቱም ምስበሉ እዮም ከርእዩና ዝጀመሩ፡፡

        አስመራ ዩኒቨርሲትይ (ባዕሊኻ ዶር ጨፈና ብዓቢ ትፈልጦ)፣ ብዙሓት መምሃራን ናይ ዩኒቨሪስቲ አባሪሮሞም፡፡ ነቲ ዩኒቨርሲት ንዓመት ዝኸዉን ዓጽዮሞ፡፡ ቂም ምስ ምሁራት

        ነቶም ብደርጊ ብአዙዩ ሕሱር ዋጋ ተኻርያኦም ዝነበሩ፡ ህግ፡ ገዛ አየሰርሐ፡ መጸግዒ አይሃበ፡ ንኹሎም አብ ወጻኢ ዝረከቡን፡ ካልእ መንበሪ ገዛውቲ ዝነበሮም ሰብ ገዛ (ደርጊ፡ ካብ ክልተ ንላዕሊ ዘሎምው ገዝ ጥራሕ እዩ ውሪስ (ነቲ ዘይነብሩሉ ገዛን፡ ነቶም አብ ወጻኢ ዝነብሩን) ገዛውትኹም መሕወዩ ግብሪ ከፍሊልኩም ተረከቡ በሉዎም፡፡ እቶም ሰብ ገንዘብ ድማ፡ ገንዘብ ስለ ዘለዎም እምበር፡ አየናይ ገዛ ክራይ ረኺቦምሉ፡ ተወሪሱ ዝነበረ ንብረት ንምታይ ግብሪ ይኸፈሎ፡ ግን ብዘየገድስ ስለ ዘዋጽኦም ክኸብሉ መሪጾም፡፡ ንኽደይ ሰብ ጥሮታ፡ ንኽንደይ ድኻታት፡ ዘኽታማት ገይሮሞም፡፡ ቂም ምስ ድኻታት

        ነቶም ንኽንደይ ዓመት አብ መንግሲቲ ሰራሕተኛታት ዝነበሩ፡ አብ ክንዲ ምስ ኢትዮጵያ ድዩስ ምስ ናይ ዓለም ተሓባበርቲ ተዘራሪቦም፡ ነቶም ጥሮተኛታት ዝድለ ደሞዝ ዝኸፈሎም፡ ገንዘብ የብልናን ኢሎም አፋኒዮምም፡፡ ወያነ ነቶም አብ ትግራይን፡ አይ ኢትዮጵያን ዝነብሩ ጥሮተኛታት፡ ገንዘብ የብልናን ኢሎም ዶ አፋኒዮሞም፡፡ ቂም ምስ ጥሮተኛታት

        ገዛ እንዳ ኮርያ ብዶላር ነቶም አብ ወጻኢ ዝነብሩ ሰሪሖም ብመኽሰብ ሸይጦምሎም፡፡ ካብ ነቶም ወጻእተኛታት፡ ምንም ከም ቀዳማይ ምርጫ አገዳሲ ዘይኮነስ፡ ንምንታይ ነቶም ተጋደልቲ፡ ብዙሕ ዓመታት ዝተገደሉ ከም ቀዳምነት ዘይወሃቦም፡ አዚ ድማ፡ አቲ ኤርትራዊ ወለዶ፡ ክስከሞ ዘለዎ ሰኸም ዶ አይኮነን፡፡ ቂም ምስ ተራ ተጋደልቲ፡

        እቶም ተበለጽቲ ተጋደልቲ፡ ሓሰውቲን፡ ጀዋሲስን፡ ዝነበሩ፡ ንኸንደይ ሰብ ገዛ ንብረት እንዳጠቀሙ፡ ነንሕድሕዶም ክአትውዎን ክበለጹን ጸኒሖም እዮም፡፡ ንሳቶም እዮም ድማ ስጋብ ሕጂ፡ ንወጻኢ ትምህሩቶ ዝፍቀዶም፡ ንደቆም አብ ጽቡቅ ትምህርቲ ዘምህሩ፡ ንደቆም ብዘይ ገለ መለ ትኽ አቢሎም ንወጻኢ ዝልእኩ፡ ክሓሙ ከልዉ ድም፡ ብዘይ ገል ሽግር ክሕከሙ ንወጻኢ ዝኸዱ፡፡ ንሳቶምን ከምዚ ከማቶም ድማ፡ ማኦ ናይ ቻይና፡ ንቶም ዝነበሩ ምሁራታን፡ ሰብ ንብረቱን ተበለጽቲን አጥፊኡ እዩ፡ ንቻይና ነዚ በጺሓቶ ዘላ ምዕባላ አብጺሑዋ እዮም ዝብሉ፡፡ ቂም ምስ ህዝቢ ኤርትራን ምሁራትን ሰብ ንብረትን፡

        በርሀ

    • MS

      ሰላም ሰመረ ተስፋይ
      ዝሰሓትካዮ ወይ ዝተጋገኻዮ የለን። They are not defending Amanuel Sahle; they are defending their attitudes. They have found someone reflecting, crystallizing and promoting their attitude towards the Eritrean people. To some degree I agree with Chefena. I had few encounters with Amanuel Sahle during the early days of independence. Many of us (tegadelti) hailed him for speaking up። When he said ተጋዳላይን ገባርን ማይን ዘይትን ኮይኑ we saw it from our experience. ስንኩላት ተጋደልቲ መጓዓዝያ ዝስእኑሉ ዝነበሩ፡ ተጋደልቲ መጽለሊ ዝሰኣኑሉ፥ ምስ ክረድእዎም ዘይክእሉ ጽጉማት ቤተሰቦም ዝተራኸቡሉ፡ ጽጋባታት ደቂ ኣስመራ ንተጋደልቲ ዘላግጹሉ ዝነበሩ ግዜ እዩ። እቶም ውሑዳት ዕድል ትምህርቲ ዝረኸብና፣ ብሓደ-ሓደ ፕሮፈሰራት ዩኒቨርሲትይ ኣስመራ ዝወርደና ዝነበረ ላግጫን ምንእኣስን (ብሓደክልተ እምበር ዝበዝሑ ኣዝዮም ትሑታትን እቲ ገለገለ ካብ ዘፍይላጥ ንገብሮ ዝነበርና ገጋታት ዝርድኡ እዮም ነይሮም)—መሪሕነትና ኣብ ጉዳይ መስትኦም ተሸሚሞም፥ ቀደም ብዘይ ቆጸራን ንኣትዎምን ንራኸቦምን ዝነበርና መራሕቲ ኣስመራ ምስ ኣተና ብቖጸራ ‘ኳ እንተረኸብናዮም—መጻኢ መደባትካን ዕድላትካን ዘይምፍላጥ—እዚታት ኩሉ ንተጋዳላይ ኣቖጢዕዎ ነይሩ። ከም እማኑኤል ሳህለ ክበዝሑ—ህዝቢ ጸቕጢ ክገብርን ኣክንዳናን ክንዲ ነብሱን ክዛረብ (ምኽንያቱ ንሕና ወተሃደራት ስለዝነበርና ንገብሮ ኣይነበረን) ትምኒትና እዩ ነይሩ። I remember his Afro and scarf and his leather bag that he kept close at all time. I followed his writings through the years, and used to be one of his admirers. But lately, he has been regurgitating what Tigray elites have been saying about Eritreans. It is wrong and it should be criticized. It is disingenuous for him and for those who have found their voice in him to let it go without challenging him to contextualize it. That means:
      – he has to limit his name-calling to those who belittle Tigrians, not generalizing Eritreans, as I tried to identify it in my article.
      – he should have pointed out to the fact that such slurs go both ways. Tigrians also have many such derisive words and attitudes towards Eritrean Tigrigna
      – His general narrative of the Eritrean person (in several articles) is consistent with the attitude displayed in the article under scrutiny.
      – The emphasis should have been on teaching on how to overcome such prevalent attitudes which exist between societies that come in contact with each other…it is not Tigray-Eritrean; it exists between Amara and Tigray; Amara and Oromo and so on. But for a purpose, Amanuel seems to say that such slurs and tasteless epithets are unique to Eritreans. That begs for an explanation. Of course, for those who have found their voices in Am,anuel Sahle, regurgitating the insults Tigray elites have been throwing on us, it is a joyful tune.

      • halafi mengedi

        MS,

        Your last 4 points are very important. Already a few tigrayan facebook commentators are misusing Yoel’s clip and AS article to create sense of resent against Eritreans. Of course neither yoel nor as are not responsible for it and they didn’t create anything new. But, this could have been easily avoided if the AS and Yoel properly contextualize the point they were trying to make with the four easy to incorporate nuances you just mentioned.

        .

        Also, i have tried to post a somewhat lengthy hateta on how the best way to address this sensitive racial issues is when writers share their experiences with racial slurs or experience of people they know very well and add personal touch to it instead of pointing figures at a particular society at large or some unknown 14-years old girl. I will try to post it one more time, hopefully it will go through. if not, i will email you.

        .

        hm

        • MS

          MarHaba HM
          Thanks, and please do so. Please make sure it is linked to my account so that I can see it. I may miss it if you post it as a separate piece, or email me.
          regards.

          • halafi mengedi

            MS

            it seems it might not go through, so i will just email you.

            hm

          • halafi mengedi

            Moderator,

            This is the message attached to the comment i posted:

            “Detected as spam Thanks, we’ll work on getting this corrected.”

            I got that message every time i tried to re-post it. I think it was because of the filter disqus used. I didn’t mean to blame awate moderators.

            hm

      • chefena

        Selam MS
        Your approach of exploring the underlying factors and explaining them helps better our understanding and subdue our instincts for subjective judgments.

        • MS

          Selam Dr. Chefena
          Much appreciated, thank you.

  • MS

    Selam Hayat
    This is just to say Hello and let you know I read your comment. You came late. Your reply is predictable yet entertaining.
    Gracias.

    • Hayat Adem

      Hellooo Mahmuday,
      Thanks for reading and saying hello. Yes, I’m predictable and entertaining. Speaking of predictability, I predicted a strange pattern so spot on and still holding true many seasons after. We here @awate always have to suffer the rebel part of you during the seasons of spring. We enjoy the tender of you for a while; the very moral of you for a while, the very intellectual of you for a while…and then spring comes and it is all a different and the militant Mahmuday that shows up! It happens all the time during springs. I think I should spare Mahmuday and blame it on the groundhog:)

  • blink

    Dear Readers
    In the entire Eritrean history ,the society has been suffering not only from total colonizers of the west and Ethiopians but also from people who search on their family tree in Tigria . These people has been exposed to the sweets of Tigray leaders at different time and different level. Let’s see what motivates them to look to their one time family tree after years of blood shed and misery at the hands of their perceived Tigrian brothers , well we used to have organized people as a political party the Unionistparty , these people love and love Ethiopia that they can not drink their local (Swa) with out a melelik a lion stamped on it. They swear and wanted to die or hate swa if the lion stamped melelik is not in the house. Invited foreign interference in the internal affairs of Eritrea, particularly by Ethiopia, had drastic consequences on Eritrean society and economy up until now. When the UN in November 1949 decided to send a fact finding mission to Eritrea, the hunters of family tree in tigrai has their activities intensified when Ethiopia and its ally the Unionist Party realised that a majority favoured Independence, the chief on this was a Tigrian governor ,A British war office report of April 14, 1948 indicates that “Ras Seyum (then Governor of Tigray) is concentrating armed men in Tigray and in recent speech at Adwa, Axum and other Centers has promised arms and money to comandis in Eritrea :” More advisors and arms began to arrive there. The activities became better planned, better coordinated and more innovative i mean better than the current agazinas and the Amanuels and YG. The main target became to disrupt the free movement of the UN mission in areas controlled by the Independence movement so that the rural population that supported independence could not get audience with the UN Commission , what happned after 20 years of that time was the an aviodable reality that these few family tree hunters were all paid . All the unionist party in Eritrea were somehow benefiting from new Tigria Jedid and they were vissible on their march with their eje Tebab just shipped from Adwa. Now what is the difference between them and the Amanuels that accouse Eritreans of arrogance ? The difference is the current one come too late to the game and what they have to face is simply beyond their capable pay masters .Majority of Eritreans are not in search of any thing than a justified live in Eritrea more importantly not in search of their heritage some where in the adwa circles .

    why are we mixing searching justice in Eritrea with Heritage hunters some where in Tigria , The two has no common interest and they do not really subscribe to the common cause of all Eritreans . The bashing of 50% Eritreans by some beneficiaries are simply not far away from the circle of the Agazian guy except these people are sliky on their approach .How on earth did one Eritrean find his Heritage suddenly at this time in Tigrai and needs to travel day in day out in search of this shadow made by Tigrians ? They can only insult Eritreans as their old tool is not avialable .

    who can guess their old weapon that they used over many Eritreans? In the 1950th the unionists has one powerful tool and that was like the Orthodox priesthood threatened excommunication for anyone not espousing the Unionist cause. On the other hand a small nucleus of Muslims just like now ( we can see them zooming in Addis or supporting any one who has postive about it, mostly chiefs and landed aristocracy ( mostly educated brats and evils), favored union with the government in Addis Ababa just for some amount of money just like the current once that travel to Addis to dine and wine with retired Tigrian generals. As of now there are no people like the horrible Abuna Marcos, the Orthodox Archbishop of Eritrea, to help YG and Amanuel in their trip to more Tigria. Having the DNA copy and prescription design from their Tigrai pay masters ,they tend to forget the humilating defeat by Eritreans.

    Amanuel sahle take on Eritreans has nothing to do with justice in Eritrea , it has all to do about the hunger to get accesss to the Tigria sweets just like the old once and insulting Amanuel or any one who try to intimidate Eritreans on behave of Tigrians must not taken as a cozying PFDJ.

    • Mez

      Dear Blink,

      As there are modern Germany and modern Austria, we have modern Ethiopia and modern Eritrea—all independent countries.

      I think this is more than clear for every one.

      Thanks

      • Amde

        Selam Mez,

        The expression…. “The Lady Doth Protest Too Much”.. comes to mind.

        • blink

          Dear Amde
          Who was guilty of the murder? I mean his uncle can not escape the guilt and so do the protest . Innocence plus guilty to different things.

          • Amde

            Sorry blink,

            What murder?

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Ask Hamlet, he can stage second play in regards to a murder that resulted second marriage but in this case there will not be a chance of marriage , this is sincere and not excessive .

      • blink

        Dear Mez
        Yes , still a green and fertile area is there for the heritage hunters , I am happy they got paid but they should not try to wield a rotten egg at Eritreans.

        • Mez

          Dear Blink,

          If you have had the means and the power, what would you do with such personalities?

          Just I am eager to learn.

          Thanks

          • blink

            Dear Mez
            What kind of means and power are you speaking abt ? Power is a fluid and can be seen as unjust, but the exercise of power is still going well and good from all back to the time of B.C . I would payed Amanuel sahle to write or educate Eritreans to love each other. What do you think ? A humanitarian gesture 😂

          • Mez

            Hi Blink,

            “….educate Eritreans to love each other…..”

            1) GREAT, Blink.

            2) This, for me, is the best thing I heard over the past 30 years. And I am very happy you said it straight–no left or right blink.
            3) now we just have to go ahead and expand it in to the daily life routines of peoples.

            Thanks

            Thanks

          • blink

            Dear Mez
            Thanks back bro,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mez,

            You know how to bring people to the main stream thinking. Impressive. Continue pls.

  • iSem

    Hi MS:
    Before I retire for the night, I will give you one more saH(credit) for saying and getting this: the woyane (TPLF) are hell bent to destroy so called Eritrea arrogance, I agree, but they did not start that now, they said t before independence:-)
    It is not lost to any one the new overtones, but even with that, even with their latent agenda, even with the so called “woyane paid opposition” the existential threat to everything Eritrea is PFDJ and YPFDJ.
    I may have misunderstood your grand Tigrinya hateta, cut me some slack Tigriniya is my third languange and Tigriniya speaking wife is not sitting beside me to help with ur strain ot Tigriniya:-)

    • Paulos

      Selam Semerile,

      Do you know what this is? This a tragedy! Isaias the born-genius sets the tone of the entire nation and he beats all of us in his own game when we speak his own political language as well. Consider this: Imagine if the Weyanes had spent their time and energy on Eritrea? Do you think they would have gotten where they are now? Me definitely think not. Eritrea is where it is right now precisely because Isaias not only got obsessed with the Weyanes but also he wasted his time and energy on them instead of striving to better Eritrea.

      The analogy couldn’t have been more striking when one notices the narrative of going after the Weyanes when one as in AS genuinely points out the apparent malady. And the vicious cycle continues unabated in the meantime.

  • iSem

    Selamat All:
    Here we go again, insulting people who expressed their opinion. No matter how wrong, no matter how misguided, Amanuel Sahel is free to express his pleasure, his disgust, his beef and misgivings about anything Eritrean. And his ditractors cannot prove that he is being paid by TPLF to do that. This is an old tired attack on people who are against the tyranny. When someone addressed Haile Menkerios as ambassador, the PFDJ goons used their chairs as attack tools, because they were so disgusted by the idea of calling a former ambassador as ambassador and they insisted people call him former ambassador (Ambassador nebber)

    Now the ones who are wrecking havoc and posing existential threat to the very fabric of the country are PFDJ and YPFDJ and instead of bringing these two entities on trial we are trying citizens. It is like what the lawyers in the USA and Canada say: if you have the law and facts on your side, argue the law and if you do not have these two on your side bring the government or defendant on trial. Those bashing Aman Saleh lack facts and truth on their side and instead of focusing on the real criminals they attacking the liberties on a citizen, who found his liberty outside of his country
    Amanuel’s words may hurt your feeling, wound your ego, insult your beliefs, puncture your fantasy but we never heard of a freedom expression sending people to Ela-Eroa and to their demise. Those who are committing heinous crimes are the ghetto kids, and PFDJ stooges who saddles the stages of free Sweden and swaddled themselves in the honorable “kushuk” and donned the honorable “shidda” and invoked the clean history of the martyrs with their filthy mouths. It is those who like a lunatic called on EPLF, EPLF, EPLF, YES, YES, YES while they have no clue about the heroes who founded these organization that was hijacked early on
    I am not sure who is pulling the strings here, but the idea of attacking the liberties, no matter how stupid they are, while praising YPFDJ as nationalistic is the anti-thesis of the very ideas of EPLF’s beginnings and by extension the greater ghedli that started out to protect liberties and dignities, not rocks and potassium sulphate and elements of the periodic table like Au and Ag that lurk in the depths of Eritrea.

    Those so called justice seekers who are attacking the liberties of our free speech that we got bey escaping Eritrea, a country that paid dearly for its liberties need to decide now and here if they are for freedoms of speech or against it, otherwise they may prove to be worse enemies than the YPFDJ that saddle that stage in Sweden to summons the ghost of EPLF, not the good men and women of EPLF that perished to make our liberties reality but ironically like them, our liberties have vanished. We live in interesting times, the YPFDJ for marching ahead and a citizen who expressed himself a TPLF paid. Who cares of they are marching, the question is where are they marching to. The Hitler youth marched, the dergi troops marched, the supporters of Ghaddafir marched 1 million strong. The KKK marched, the hyenas in the jungle march and even the Nile river marchs to Sudan
    And where are the libertarians of this forum. I mean the right wing libertarians 
    You heard form the libertarian left, an oxymoron, Would you say?

    • Beyan

      Amen to that iSem! I just dropped the conversation because it was getting ridiculously impish where individuals hiding behind pen-names are attacking an integrity of the individual. Address the issues Amanuel Sahle is addressing like Haile S. did, then, you will have my ears. Otherwise, it is just colossal waste of time. One can easily turn the tables on the very individuals who are accusing AS, whether they are paid agents of Higdef…I man can they not see how circular these arguments can be, but then again, that might just be what they were after to begin with, any way. To add insult to injury they brought YG into the mix. I mean, it was getting absurd by the minute. But, I appreciate you iSem for taking the time, I certainly couldn’t bring myself to do it.

      Many thanks for candidly expressing your feelings and your opinion about this issue. Hopefully, this will fold the conversation as far as the slash and burn tactics of yesteryear.

      Sincerely,
      Beyan

      • iSem

        Thanks brother Beyan: You are too kind
        Sal once teased Emma when he said, he has this image of Emma holding big speaker and telling everyone gezakum kiddu hawwi aggudu
        Contrary to that my I have this debilitating fear: one day the our tormentor will be no more, like dictators before him and there is possibility that on his remains we can erect a democratic nations where even the criminals have a chance of due process but some of justice seekers prevent the likes of YG and AS from the due process and line them up stone them not because they committed a crime but they hurt the feeling of someone and that once they the Woyanes paid them to say something that injured our egos, hurt our feeling.
        When people are concerned more about egos injured than the suffering of our people, worried more on the hurt feeling the existential threat that PFDJ is posing, we have to concerned and especially then these are justice seekers

        • halafi mengedi

          iSem,
          I happen to listen to Johar’s interview with radio erena just this morning. It made realize the mistake i made yesterday was bigger than i thought. Let me take this opportunity to apologize to awate team, first and for most, and then all the other individual who comment and engage me with their real names…isem, MS, saay, johar, beyan, eyob, haile, teodros, berhe, alex and others (if i missing any). it won’t happen again.
          hm

          • Saleh Johar

            Halaf mengedi,
            And what was the mistake you made? Just curious because I have’nt seen it.

          • halafi mengedi

            Saleh,

            This is the statement that got me in trouble.
            —–

            Second, regardless of his financial situation or whatever, one can’t absolutely discount the possibly that he may be paid. i can’t said he is paid, i don’t have any evidence, but i wouldn’t say that it is impossible.

            —-
            yea, doesn’t look good ((hands on face))…
            hm

          • Beyan

            selam halafi mengedi,

            You must have given your to the point answer while I was going through the screed I just posted above. Oh, well, too lazy to go up there and delete. Lest this one get unnecessarily lengthy on me. Let me put these unruly fingers to rest.

            BN

          • Beyan

            Dear halaf mengedi,

            A man who says I was wrong is a man of principle. It is this lack of acknowledging when we err that makes matters worse. In this fast paced communication of the virtual kind we engage in, mishaps happen. The fact that you didn’t turn around and come with another pen-name, thus avoiding to apologize say a great deal about you as a person, because that would’ve been the easiest thing to do. I appreciate you not choosing the easy way out.

            Hawka
            Beyan

            P.S. The subject matter was about denigrating and labeling individual writers instead of focusing on their ideas that went back and forth over the weekend. As far as I am concerned halafi mengedi put a perfect conclusion to it. I don’t expect blink to do what hm just did because he was holding the line of belittling not only individual writers like Memhir Amanuel Sahle but went on to add insult to injury by trying to do the same with Hayat Adem. But, you know HA won’t let him get away with it. Her biting remarks cut deep. Hope I rewarded you halafi mengedi for your kind gesture by responding on your behalf – a little moqshish, if you will, by answering SGJ’s question below. Of course, feel free to add your input, if you would like. I don’t want to be on the opposite side of iSem who is a staunch supporter of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Have you ever are someone whose P.S is loner than his main points. That’s me, man!

          • halafi mengedi

            Beyan,
            Thanks!
            hm

          • blink

            Dear Beyan
            Lol you are again at it because I didn’t accept your heritage hunting tour by AS. Come on , I have no fear to say sorry infact I have said many times but not to Hayat . I believe I have done nothing wrong against her except exposing her lies . She lied about ELF just to support the racist sahay . I don’t dislike AS because he is getting rich unless a man oh his stature can not afford to insult Eritreans for sake of cozing with weyane. Feel free and ride your horse to Hawuzen because I believe these who wanted their Tigrian link has been the problem for Eritreans from the beginning. 😂 😂 Beyan .

          • Beyan

            Dear blink,

            For whatever its worth, I will let you have the last words. You’re right I shouldn’t have brought your name into the mix. Hope that puts it to rest.

            Beyan

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Merhaba Sem,

          When did he imaged me holding a big speaker saying “ gezakum kiddu hawwi aggudu”? I miss it. I would have laughed big time. If he would have seen me in person, he would have read on my face one from those who says “ ቃልሲ’ዩ ህይወተይ” ዝብሉ ውሑዳት ኤርትራውያን:: Thank you Samray, tell Saay በቲ ሕሹኽ ትብልዎ ናይ ክልተኹም ቋንቋ ገይርካ that I am coming to visit him this Summer and I will come with my microphone to tell him ግዜ አኺሉ “ተበገስ” ክብሎ::

          Regard

          • iSem

            Hi Emma:
            It was 2012, he was referring how people like you and SGJ are stubborn fighters and he hoped and imagined that would happen

    • blink

      Dear isem
      Libertarian are all good at talking the unpractical things and they lost on every election they put in the USA. I don’t know what happened to them in Canada, 😂.
      Listen the man is losing his cool badly with the speed of light . He is in a difficult time and insulting Eritreans in general will not serve him well now . As for his right to speak, well yes he has the right but others have the right to criticize him . It is just both ways journeys.

      • iSem

        Hi blink
        I have no problem that anyone is criticized, but do not all anyone who you disagree with you paid by TPLF and as long as he does not disappear you like they did in Ela-Ero, there is a benefit to society for clashing views

        • blink

          Dear isem
          I am not advocating for any harm to his life , he accused Eritreans of many things and I accused him of getting paid from weyane because his views as well as Tigraionline editorials are the same in insulting Eritreans, and as we all know ( may be you not) he is almost a Tigrian hunting for his missing link to any thing his blood work. He did not bring any idea to educate Eritreans, he is accusing Eritreans and that is far from his old majo.

          I wanted you to say more about Free speech if you have time please , we Eritreans have gray area of the free speech thing say more and where will you draw your line ?

    • Saleh Johar

      iSem,
      The Libertarian medal is taken by so many. Therefore, don’t expect me to stick a fake medal on my chest. Sorry iSem, I feel your pain for not finding enough Libertarians around.

      Let me chime in with a few points:

      1. I do not agree with YG’s Kebessa centric nationalism and considering all the struggle Eritreans waged as a Muslim affair. I also do not like a few of his views. That much I can say about Yosief.

      2. Amanuel Sahle is a bit different. I like his philosophical views. I met him once in person in Addis Ababa and I found him to be a reserved person but intellectually deep. Until he started to write for awate a few years ago, the only introduction to his work was his article in a book published by Derg in a certain commemoration of something. I think it was the centennial of Dogali or something like that. I will have to look for the book which was a kind of collection of essays by top guns of the Derg era, including the Ethiopianist Pankhurst.

      3. As I understand so far (correction accepted) he is being attacked because he said Eritreans are arrogant, or they hate “Agame”, or something to that effect.

      4. I do not condone that Eritreans hate anyone, but the PFDJ does. It has elevated hate to the highest levels, sometimes openly sometimes in a wink-wink manner. Indeed, the belittling and insulting of Tigray in general and “Agame” in particular, is a daily stable of the PFDJ propaganda. Generally, the PFDJ has influenced Eritrean culture so much that bashing “Agame” has become akin to Sunna, spelling that term before anything else to earn pre-approval of anything you will say. That racist and hypoct=ritical character has been the PFDJ lingo since 2000. Of course, between the eighties and 1997, anything negative about TPLF, Weyane, or Tigrai would be met with a stern warning and berating, by the same PFDJ lots. And how do they spread their hate messages? Yes, by using the affiliates, including the YPFDJ cadres–who ironically are closer to Tigray than the rest. In short, the character of the PFDJ and its offspring YPFDJ is the dirt besmirching Eritrean politics. I do not see the wisdom of writing off all the people who have been struggling against the unjust PFDJ and praising the YPFDJ. A tasteless pronouncement.

      • iSem

        Hi Saleh:
        I agree with you and I disagree with YG on the Kebessa centric issue. Party, I blame those in the know (correction if I missed it), there is no widely available literature on what the lowlands played in the Eritrean struggle and specially Keren, I am not talking a bout the armed struggle, that is grudgingly accepted even by PFDJ and YPFDJ, even if they pepper it with awate’s priority was to claim his stolen livestock.I am, talking about the political struggle of the likes of the late memhir Michael Gabir and W.Ammar and many others when the likes of IA (temeharo kelleuw), I do not mean students in academia.
        I think you know me enough to understand how I feel about the YPFDJ and if I had to choose an enemy, I would choose the brazen, shameless, who saddle the stages of the free world to propagate their massage of hate and out right lies into our faces than those who praise,nay canonize the actions of YPFDJ as a sacred national pillars who will carry the “torch” into the future
        But still: I will vote down your campaig for making Keren the capital of Eritrea:-)

        • Saleh Johar

          iSem,
          You lost, it’s already the capital city of PFDJ-misery

          • iSem

            Hi Saleh:
            I do not mind losing if keren has become a capital of PFDJ-misery. but I suspect that the ppl are at the receiving end of the misery and not PFDJ receiving the misery like HS did. Please elaborate, if u need my vote:

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam SJG,

        Do you feel comfortable if we use “the main stream” instead “the majority” when we can not quantify the numbers Otherwise, it will be difficult to criticize the abnormal norms of a society. The thing I am observing is, a kind of don’t criticize our society. Help me, how could we criticize society when we see an abnormal norms.

        Regards

        • Saleh Johar

          Ahlan Amman,
          Indeed, there is a thin line between blanket accusations and the need to be specific. I know it is difficult. But the context, the perspective and conflicting statements within one’s comment gives it away. I am an exponent of social criticism because, without it, we will live the PFDJ in a hot air balloon throwing your ills at others hoping that would absolve you. In our case, I find referring to the opposition in the third person a testimony that one is in the opposition half-heartedly or not there at all. ones. Another thing that is irrational is when some people try hard to equate the authority of the “opposition” with that of the ruling regime. It’s just unfair, unwise, and utterly misleading to blame the ills of Eritrea on anyone but the despicable PFDJ.

          If one agrees that the PFDJ is the cause of our misery, they shouldn’t even remotely apologize for it, or try to beautify it or justify its existence or behavior even remotely. That send a signal and stamps a perception that there is a sign of zeytewed;’e fiqri. If such gestures are meant to provoke, it is a very, very, bad taste and misjudgment. People are both rational and emotional and those who like to appear more rational than others are devoid of any emotional attachment to the sufferings of the people. How is it wise to praise the PFDJ or the YPFDJ in any way, even when trying to make a point? Then why heap all the belittling remarks on the victims and admire the “virtues” of a tormentor?

          I might have been carried away, but we are victims of the blanket bombardment for too long and bombing someone and then apologizing, repeatedly, doesn’t cut it. An honest reflection is badly needed in some quarters–sometimes it is not what you communicate, it’s the context, it is the way you communicate and your general tone and the attitude you reflect. But if someone adamantly continues to be callous, there is nothing we can do but shake our heads and move on. But then, attitudes should be conducive to an honest and respectful discourse. If one considers himself part of the anti-PFDJ camp, he is an opposition member, by definition. But if one has not embraced the idea of being an opposition, and the comfort zone is only when one is around people who share his values and background, there can’t be any meaningful discourse. For example, I cannot have any discourse with the PFDJ or its affiliates until they disown the brute regime. But admiring the brainwashed lots and consider them the only youngsters that Eritrea bred is sad. Many of us have children but they are not wasting any energy supporting the regime. If they have to be part of the YPFDG to be counted, that is a sad proposal.

          The short answer (sorry I had to leave it to the end Emma) is: I feel more comfortable with specifically identifying the people concerned. It’s easy and you can use any of these or similar description: the PFDJ lots, the drunkard clique, the killers and their sympathizers, the jailers and their enablers, etc. Tie everything with the PFDJ and you can’t go wrong.

          • MS

            Ahlan Saleh
            I know my limits, but I won’t be scared of them. I will air my opinion. And when I cross some lines, I apologize. I am not foryunate enough to reach your level of perfection. So, I will apologize whenever I feel doing so is the right thing. I did not apologize to you nor to the “opposition” you seem to have owned. I apologized to AS and to those who care about me.Now, it is an eye-opening to know you are in the same bandwagon together with those who are bent to lecturing us on how bad we are. Believe me, I never changed. I’m the same person. I think it’s of value to the reader to mention that I did explain my views to you through the survey you sent around the time I joined this forum. Also, I’m on record repeatedly saying EPLF was hijacked. Whose Fikri are you talking about? How could I have fikri (love) of an entity I accuse of stealing the ideals of EPLF? Believe me tie everything that smells TPLF and those who seek change through them, and you can’t go wrong.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ahlan Mahmoud,

            If I want to say anything to you, believe me, I will say it decently. I will not shy away. My comment is general but if you felt parts of it concerns you, I can’t help it.

            But since you addressed me, I will respond what irks me about your latest comments. You had no problem to write off all the youngsters who are not part of the YPFDJ as if a young person has to be a YPFDJ to be considered the future of Eritrea. You are wrong on two counts; my son and many youngsters I know are not part of YPFDJ and you condemning them in one way or another to follow the Meqdub Aleyhum, the exiled, like myself, because we have no place in Eritrea–are you different than the rest of us Mahmoud? I don’t think so. The youth I have in mind do not subscribe to parroting what the PFDJ says. Your praise of the YPFDJ at the expenses of all others is out of taste. Eritrea cannot be defined neither by the PFDJ nor by the adolcents at fifty pretending to be youth and misleading the young. You know the Yemanes are behind this! It is not a scout club. Therfore, the YPFDJ has nothing to do with the young except they happen to be there–like in any nightclub. It is a support base for the PFDJ, nothing else. The fake nationalism is just a smoke-screen.

            Besides, those you admire have time to grow up and explain why they support injustice–I hope you agree with me supporting the PFDJ is supporting injustice. How can I respect such a gang when they are all silent when young people their age are languishing in jail, and old people are absented from life? I expected you to say that. You didn’t. You were just all praises forgetting what matters beyond the festivities and colorful hall.

            As for me owning the opposition, I am a stakeholder, not a proprietor. let me ask you this: do you own the YPFDJ to praise it and to stick your neck to defend it? Please ask yourself the same question and maybe you get the answer. Well, I am part of the opposition by virtue of being in the anti-PFDJ camp. Besides, the major political divide in Eritrea is clear Mahmuday and you know it. I cannot be anti-injustice and have a soft spot for YPFDJ.

            Mahmuday, don’t be worked up when people you insulted (or people you disappointed) react negatively. I suggest you tolerate that and use it to reflect–maybe you stepped on the toes of others unknowingly. Think about it

            NB: the issue about unconsumed love is not targeting you–it’s a phenomenon that I have been observing in many instances. It’s a general comment and I can defend the view if need be.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear SGL.,

            Well-said. And thank you very much for this post….

            I can’t write now just it looks my Facebook account is hacked. Really, it has been long someone was trying, It was connected with my profile of discuss..

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Saleh,

            First don’t worry about those who claim they are in the opposition or in the movements of justice seekers, but who spent day and night on bashing the opposition and justice seekers. The public knows them very well.

            Second, we don’t have any difference on the issue “the regime vs the opposition” or “the regime vs our people,” or group vs group where we could make specific critics. My question is on the flaws of a society’s attitudes, and abnormal norms. We are very sensitive to criticizem when citizen attempts to do so. Norms and attitudes are not exercised by each citizen, but by “the majority” or “the main stream” of the society. They are explained as the norms and attitudes of the society, and hence if there will be critics, it will be a critic for the whole society. When we make critics of such sorts, we are accused of making blanket accusations.

            Suppose SG is not “arrogant” but the majority Eritrean are. If some criticize the Eritrean society on the arrogant attitudes, do you have to condemn to those who criticize to the abnormal attitudes of our society, as blanket accusation, because you don’t have it? The attitude of the reactions I am observing is, if there are some who aren’t, don’t accuse the society. Or it sound don’t accuse on the “flaws” our society what ever it is.That is my observation in our debate on the issue of Amanuel Sahle. Can you comment on this matter.

            Regard

          • MS

            Selam Emma
            In case you forgot, I long time kindly asked you not to include me or think of me as being or trying to be a member of the “opposition” you have in mind. I have never been one of it, and I could not be one of it. I own my own thoughts. I opposed PFDJ on my own terms and that’s what I will continue to do. As an active citizen, I care for the well-being of my country, and I would never pall around TPLF, a regime that continues flouting international law, and a regime that is bent on descrying Eritrea. When PFDJ says first the nation and later “democracy”, they have a point. You guys lost it because you became the tip of the spear for almost all satanic policies of the wayane. I will do whatever it takes never again to fall under the weight of Ethiopian hegemony under any pretext. Your opposition does not contain a grain of “justice” or democracy”.
            If it were just and democrat it would have won the battle decades ago. You have wasted time protecting and promoting Wayane agendas more than you did to come up with a realistic agenda. Make no mistake, today’s political challenges of Eritrea could not be solved using old tools of seventies and eighties which are badly deformed due to its misuse. The politics of hate and grudges must give way to politics of national reconciliation; the old attitudes must give way to new. That’s why I call for across-isle communication between the young generation. Your peers of thew opposition have nothing to offer to us except personal bickering and divisions.
            So, no, I never consider myself a member of the type of opposition you affiliate with. I have my own definition of opposition, and you can’t do anything about it. Now, feel not threatened because I never sought a space in it. If you think of me as a PFDJite, feel free to say so.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mahmuday,

            Yes I know your position that you are against the oppositions and justice seekers. And you know that position where it puts you. Now why do you provoke me to speak your kind. Let me repeat it again what I have told you many times. I can not be more wayane than the man who ride TPLF to kill his brothers and sisters and kick them out from their homeland. Please do not throw a stone when you are living in a glass house. Second let me give you back your advice that you gave me last year: “Do your own business and I will do my business.” We know our positions. Let me live with my positions at peace and I will let you to live with your positions at peace. ጸጸር ይሰደልካ አለኹ ጸጸርና ንውሓጥ እዛ ኩንትራት እዚአ አብ ግብሪ ከነውዕላ:: Third the forum will be disgusted with the exchange we are doing, and let us respect them when they are debating on meaningful subjects.

            Regards

          • MS

            Ahlan Emma
            Offer accepted, and ab lbna yeHdro. In case you change your mind, you know the private hot line is open.
            BruK meAlti.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Mahmuday,

            Okay, the private line is always open. I will call you when I get time. I do not stop my communications because we own different opinions.

            Senay MeAlti

          • Paulos

            Selam Emma N’ Muhamuday,

            እንታይ’ዳኣ ንዓና ስቕ ኢልኩም ተርስኑና: ኣነኮ ሳልሳይ ዉግእ ዓለም ተላዕለ እዩ መሲሉኒ ኔሩ ለካስ in person ክትራኸቡ ከለኹም it is all hugs and kisses. በሉ ርኢናልኩም ኣለና እንኳዕ ጡብ ኣዴኻ ኣፍሪሰልካ ኣይተባሃሃልኩም as we used to do when we were kids before ቴስታ and ‘ዝጋምቤቲ starts. Love is the rule. Always!

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            Didn’t know you are so funny:-) :-). Now you reminded me, these two are Randolph and Mortimer. And don’t forget they have an appointment along with Ismail AA, in Seattle, I believe.
            Talking about ጡብ ኣዴኻ ኣፍሪሰልካ. Is the ኣጉዶ ኣጉዶ we use to play suppossed to represent ጡብ ኣደ?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat & Dr Paulos,

            I did pay my visit to Mahmuday already two years ago. It is his turn now to visit me. I found him soft spoken who loves Eritrea and Eritreans different than I know in this forum. Well Mahmuday will say I am the same person. Bur he has to know that we are mirrors to who is – those who interact with him in person or in the visual world.
            Second, we made intermittent telephone calls to cool each other when we bleed each other in this forum. From my side it is great pleasure to talk to him.

            Regards

          • Haile S.

            Emma,
            Glad to hear that. And we look forward to report of your meeting, of the 3 of you together.
            Best

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat & Dr Paulos,

            If that meeting will happen (the trio) somewhere, it is a small part of my dream that will be fulfilled (the theory of incremental). By the way I like to meet all awate forumers, even with Blink the one who always despise me day and night. I want to meet him and forgive him.

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            It would be great if we could do some sort of yearly Awate gathering.

          • Paulos

            Selam Hailat,

            First of, we should establish the fact that, it was a working-class kids chill time thing where the Alpha-Male goes through a lot of ጡብ ኣደ like daring contests to earn the respect of every kid in the ገዛውቲ.

            And as you know, the replica of ጡብ ኣደ is made of a mound of ሓመድ where kids of affluent parents as in those who lived in areas such as ቲራቮሎ ካምቦቦሎ or ኣልፋሮማዮ might not have had that kind of childhood ingenuity for the area is pretty much ጽርግያ as opposed to ሓመድ.

            Here is something really cool that I get tempted to digress. Pica is a condition where kids crave for dirt as in ሓመድ. About a decade or so ago the condition was taken as a kind of mental anomaly where psychiatrists tended to prescribe some sort of behavioral or cognitive therapy for it. But a few years ago, they found out that, the body itself makes the kids crave for ሓመድ for they don’t get the necessary minerals and vitamins with in their limited diet. Pica is now established as a normal thing.

            One more advantage of the kids who grew up in ሓመድ area is that, their immune system gets trained to recognize microorganisms early on for they have eaten ሓመድ where germs are a better chunk of it. In that regard, not sure though if, say, Deqi Akhria are tougher than Deqi Tiravollo. 😂

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            Let me digress as well. BTW, Pica can be considered ‘normal’ in certain species of animals. Rabbits practice it more. That is how they compensate the lack of elements in diet.
            I am sure you know the hygiene hypothesis in asthma and other allergic dideases. Briefly, the lack of exposure to dirt in early childhood exposes to susceptibility to developing allergies thus the prayer “Give us our daily dirt”.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            It is just funny my added comment did not appear at first but now it is. It is about as you said it, asthma and extreme hygene.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            You’re something. The “Give us our daily dirt” is funny!

          • Haile S.

            Paul,
            Credit goes where it belongs:
            Rook GA & Brunet LR. 2002. Give us this day our daily germs. Biologist 49(4): 145-9.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            Didn’t know that. Thanks.

    • MS

      selam iSem
      ዘራጊ እንከሎ ጽሩይ ማይ ኣይስተን ይበሃል። Your take is bereft of seriousness. Please don’t invoke Eila-Ero when you need it. You have already classified those in Eila-Eiro as being members of the “alliance of killers.” Second, there is nop ego you can break. Egoists do not apologize. Third: AS is not on trial but his thoughts are. If you want to defend his thoughts on his characterization of the Eritrean person, then discuss it point by point. Then we will see. Fourth: EPLF does not need YPFDJ to augment its legacy nor Semere Andom to tear it down; it can stand on its record. Fifth: I don’t need to seek justice. Justice is an inherent part of humanity as violence is. We just need to work to enable justice to get prominence suppressing man’s tendency to rule unjustly. You don’t need to seek justice for three decades when it dwells within you and me. We need to talk to each other with honesty. The principle of Free speech should not exclude people like me to express their views if you are of a just mind. You don’t have an ownership over it, you don’t define it, and you don’t administer it. My hope is that people with conviction, people with a conscience will rise above shallow sentimentalism. The question is not so much about describing YPFDJ or the problems facing Eritrea but about what it takes to pick up the pieces to make up an impacting force. The challenge is serious. Our region is going through a phase full of landmines. Those in the so-called driving seat (on both sides, government and the opposition) will tell you to keep wearing the blinkers. I will keep calling on people to take off those ugly blinkers that are keeping us from looking eye to eye.
      As I told you, I find the truth somewhere between the two signposts, the wayanista and PFDJista.
      Please don’t mix Amanuel Sahle with YG and Co. I never implied that and he does not fit there. You can stir the emotions of easily excitable folks but that does not mean you are closer to the solution than anybody else. Unless we communicate intelligibly, your notion of justice may not fit mine. And it is through dialogue and honest criticism that we can narrow differences. That’s if your goal is finding the optimum solution.

      • iSem

        MS:
        Selam back to you too: there are some non truth sprinkled over this other wise not bad comment
        1. do not invoke Ela Ero when you need it, you characterized them as “alliance of killers”: really MS: were the alliance of killers as many as the ones in Ela Ero. It is eye opening for me. I said the leadership of EPLF who kidnapped the struggle were alliance of killers. Please mention them one by one and prove me wrong. But I never said the Ela Ero prisoners are alliance of killer, they canot be because they include others, for example Hamed Himid who is n ELa Ero was a student activist until he was elected CC in 1987
        2. You EPLF does not need Semere Andom and Semere Andom doe not EPLF, but EPLF needs, needs, needs ( repeat with me seleste gize, or btelalata) YPFDJ and YPFDJ needs EPLF, at least the garb.
        Now prove to us the AS is employed by Woyane, this is a theme that u have weaved over the years in ur grand narrative to lump the oppostion in one as Woyane paid agents, but I give u credit, your only saying that about AS now is quantum leap, massahallah, keep it up
        3. You are misleading when you said free speech excludes me, how is that you calling AS paid by EPLF is attacking his ideas and not attacking his
        integrity.
        Who is the one without conscience now, the one who said YPFDJ are a force of good or the one who hurt our feeling, You know better than t
        his moral equivalence
        Ela ero symbolized the hundreds of prisons that disappear eldery,women and underage kids and YPFDJ is the embodiment of PFDJ crimes, that is the issue in a nut shell, not AS hurting our feelings.
        suggest for ur next article: Yህግደፍ የሳጉም: ህቢ ድማ ይጓዝም

  • said

    Greeting,
    US House of Representatives ,New resolution HR-128 ,critical of Ethiopia’s government
    Prime Minister, Mr. Abiy, In the two weeks since his inauguration, he has launched a charm offensive in an effort to defuse tensions: touring the country, freeing some prisoners, visiting the main regions where protests have erupted, restoring internet access in the restive Oromiya region and shutting down one of the most infamous prisons where dissidents were jailed and tortured. Ethiopia is at a serious point in its evolution as a nation; this represents a historic opportunity to implement meaningful reforms in the interest of its people. Almost all of the 547 seats in Ethiopia’s parliament are controlled by the government and its allies.
    As reported .The US House of Representatives unanimously adopted a resolution critical of Ethiopia’s government, titled “Supporting respect for human rights and encouraging inclusive governance in Ethiopia”.The passing of House of Representatives’ unanimous approval of HR-128, click to the link
    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/blessing-disguise-ethiopia-abiy-ahmed-180413091551008.html

    • FishMilk

      Hi said. As Bob Dylan’s song goes ‘The Times They Are A Changin’. Passage of HR-128 is oh so important on a number of fronts. For supporters of Isaias and the PFDJ, it does largely legitimize their claims that the TPLF, aside their diplomatic lip gloss, has over the years and in a similar manner to the PFDJ, also committed scaled human rights abuses. HR-128 validates the claims of many that the U.S. has given preferential treatment to Ethiopia over Eritrea; political prerogative always taking precedence. Lastly, it clearly confirms that changing gulf alliances over the past two years are forcing the U.S. to change its strategy on the Red Sea and the Horn of Africa. Most importantly though for Ethiopia, HR-128 comes at a most pivitol strategic time to benefit and empower PM Abiy. Fried Crappie fish and tater tots. Houston Rockets are getting ready to go up by 2!

      • Amde

        Selam FishMilk

        Are you ጻጸ?

  • blink

    Dear Haile.s
    Would you mind if you expand your letter to MS more to the point where Amanuel Sahle ( the new Weyane paid guy) to elaborate more ? As you can read Amanuel Sahle writing is all but a weyane propaganda machine , the guy is simply irresponsible and idiotically forgetting that Eritreans do not give a single point about his mastery of Tigrinya. Why does a guy like him try to intimidate Eritreans as this time is simply beyond any fools guess because the reason is MONEY on his accounts that is all.
    MS was right to tell him “ኣቶ ኣማንኤል ሳህለ ነቶም ስራሕ ዜሃቡኻ መራሕቲ ትግራይ ክትከላኸልን ስነ-ሓሳቦም ክተወናጭፍን መሰልካ እዩ (ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ እምበር ሰራሕተኛኦም ኢኻ)። ግን ጭውነት (integrity) ዜበሃል ነገር ኣሎ። “ኤርትራውያን ንተጋሩ ይንዕቑ እዮም” ዜብል እምነት ኣሎካ ንበል። ግርም። ንስኻ ኸ እቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዜብኻ ዗ለካ ንዕቐት ኣይስወጠካን እንድዩ? ማለትሲ፣ ትምክሕትን ልዕልነትን እንተኾይኑ እቲ ዗ዚርብ ዗ሎ፣ እቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ኤርትራውያን ብኣልማማ ትገብሮ ዗ለኻ ዗ለፋ ኣይርደኣካን እንድዩ? ንምዃኑ፡ ክንደይ ካብ ኤርትራውያን እዮም ነዙ ንስኻ “ትምክሕቲ” እትብሎ ይኹን እታ “ዓጋመ” እትብል ቃል ንምንሻው ትግራዎት ዜጥቀሙሉ?”

    Amanuel Sahle is not Hawulti , he never was and he never will be at the rate he is dehumanizing Eritrea and Eritreans has to be called a spoiled brat just for weyane. The guy needs to be exposed at the highest level if possible with bruises on his face ( joking) .

    Don’t forget he is traveling to weyane office on a rate that even any bus in Asmara couldn’t.
    But since Nitricc is not around these days it will be so wise for somebody to worry why is he displacing his interest.

    • Hayat Adem

      blink,
      1) when a person like Amanuel speaks, any reasonable animal should be keen to listen. Jumping into labelling shows the incurious.
      2) when that reasonable animal thinks he found Amanuel erring on something he said, he should ask questions for explanation or simply express his or her disagreement respectfully. AManuel’s contributions transcend and go beyond any petty issue consuming junior thinkers.
      3) doubting the nationalist stand, or worse, accusing a giant personslity of Amanuel size of working against his people for money is simply ridiculous and shows utter stipudity on the part of the accuser.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hayat,

        “Amanuel Sahle’s contribution transcend and go beyond any petty issue consuming junior thinkers”. You are spot on, Hayat. Since they don’t know their limitations, this is what I could share with you from the Bible: “forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”

        Regards

      • blink

        Dear Hayat
        I don’t think you read his article and if you do , it means you agree with him which is always known to me and not a surprise for most honest Eritreans. Junior thinker or weirdo lairs like ( guess who is in my mind) will always find to think they are full of wisdom while the opposit is true.

        What exactly did Amanuel do that can save the day of misery to Eritreans? You have always took yourself beyond the reach of light far away in another galaxy without reality. Your guy is asking you to forgive (them) amusing he is acting like a good guy at his age . Sadly he is no more important at any level ,for what ever reason he chose to throw away his loyalty from Eritreans and is spending his golden time defending a monster genocider Meles while accusing Eritreans.

        • Hayat Adem

          Blink,
          Two things here: I simply find it hard to consider your type capable of second thinking giant Eritreans like the one you brought here. Somethings are beyond your pay grade and you should act your size. Two, the way you advance your zero gram thoughts is totally substandard. Bad on substance, bad on language and bad on intention: what are you good for? Serious!
          Think of these choices: lets sau what Amanuel said is not agreeable to you. Say, I don’t agree with him. You believed, you a better alternative opinion on the same subject? Present those to us so that you have a chance of saving from his thoughts. What you did? Accuse him of saying what he said for money. What is your proof? Eye witness? Recorded evidence? Circumstantial evidence? Character trend? Reasonable doubts on the ground of some suspicious acts regarding the money exchange? Because he said something you din’rmt agree with, you have to say this. If it was not on a particular individual, it would dimple be absurd. But this is a real person being tagged to something he is not part of. That makes it a lie intended to tarnish someone’s good name, a name we all cherish and protect. You have bad and cruel intentions.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            You are like catholic priests who molested kids and still their organization continues to have access to kids .it is my believe that you don’t have any clue except your own small corner of weyane drummers. You are in no position to ask prove or eye witness. You may forget this but it was you who fabricated villages to accuse ELF . It was hayat adem lies that flows just like the flowing water . Listen ,your inflated personality by some weyane goons in this forums means nothing and has no value but it seems it is giving you some false perspective ,that you know more and no one else. You are no better than the accused but he is known to Eritreans and he is destroying it.

            I don’t need to present my views even though they are opposite to yours . I still have the time to see people like payed Amanuel Sahle make outlandish lies and insulting to Eritreans, what I know for sure is that they will fail just as your YG.

          • Hayat Adem

            Blink,
            Take a walk. You sound so bitter and angry.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            Not necessarily but telling the truth must no push you to assume otherwise.

          • Desbele

            Selam Hayat ,

            How come? Blink is on mental wheelchair!

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Desbele,
            Then advise him to take a deep breath while sitting. An angry person is dangerous to the Awate community.

          • blink

            Dear hayat
            Have you ever checked what lairs did to humanity? A pathological 🤥 is more dangerous to humanity and grace yourself with decency if you can.

          • Hayat Adem

            blink,
            Well, you are still angry and firing bullets in every direction hoping one of them will hit some one. I wish I could help calming you down. Be at peace with yourself first so that you will be able to learn from and contribute to the forum.

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            I assume you take yourself as a contributor to this forum. Sad .

          • Hayat Adem

            Yes blink,
            And there are many others who think the same of me. Is that too much?

          • blink

            Dear Hayat
            I have to see the list you have first because anyone across the river who called you many inflated names don’t mean anything. What is good about lairs and crooks praising a comic at the toilet wall.

    • Beyan

      zKeberka blink,

      The man’s ideas are not necessarily agreeable to you, to me, to many others. But, one of the challenges we continue to face as Eritreans is our inability to disagree with the learned men and women. Here is Memhir Amanuel, in his own words, he needs not to be paid by any entity. He lives in Sweden and Sweden is not a place where people necessarily need any outside resources to survive. The man lived a distinguished life. The country we call our own, Eritrea, made it next to impossible to so many erudite from its midst, one is forced to find an alternative living arrangement. The man chose to divide his time between Sweden & Mekele so he can keep that heritage intact. He wants to dispel the myth, the ignorance, and ill-conceived of tarnishing individuals with whom we disagree one hopes you will have the listening ears and to listen, really listen to what Memhir Amanuel Sahle is saying irrespective of who is interviewing him, whether it is in Mekele, in Asmara, whatever. Listen to the message please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLPJX3gFVZ8

      • blink

        Dear Beyan
        You didn’t reply my question about the heritage thing and I don’t understand what kind of Heritage Eritreans have with anyone across mereb that needs many air tickets from Sweden to mekele ?Now, what he said is irresponsible at its best and it may be the reality of live in Sweden, may be he is not happy so he needs to cozy with Mekele guys and it is his right to do so but to plainly color Eritreans is idiotic. This is not an ideological issue so that one idea vs the other can be made by listening to each . The man is insulting Eritreans and I think it is time to put him in his right current time. His old hades Eritrea articles status has nothing to do with his current attack on Eritreans.

        • Beyan

          Dear blink,

          From its historical and ancestral context, Eritreans descended from Tigray. This is our history as Eritreans, especially, those of us who claim Tigrinya as our mother tongue, to which I readily and proudly pronounce. Now, to mention one’s heritage from a certain place does not automatically makes him culpable to any political reality of the day. Contemporary history tells us human types do stupid things for political reasons. Exhibit A that one can use to illustrate this is the internment of Americans of Japanese descent: “The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast.”

          blink, I don’t know you personally, but if you claim highlands of Eritrea as your homeland, then, Tigray will be and ought to be the heritage you should accept as part of who you are. If it is different and you care to let your readers know what informs your heritage, viewed ancestrally, I would love to hear it.

          • Paulos

            Selam Dr. Beyan,

            You are a very brave person. We [Forumers] all are Tigreans! Tell it as it is!

            Haters, bring it on! Helmet is on and shields are up!

          • Desbele

            Viva Paul,
            ካብ ዓጋመ ዘይውለድስ ኣይጭዋን

          • halafi mengedi

            Beyan,

            First, it seems blink is wondering why AS needs to frequent between Sweden and mekelle to ‘keep his heritage intact’ (as you alluded). Blink is not saying we don’t share heritage with tigrayans.

            Second, regardless of his financial situation or whatever, one can’t absolutely discount the possibly that he may be paid. i can’t said he is paid, i don’t have any evidence, but i wouldn’t say that it is impossible.

            Finally, I really wonder why AS and YG think painting the worst picture of Eritreans (with a very broad brush i may add) and giving clean image of tigrayans and other Ethiopians would lead to reconciliation between the two people. I would actually say, if anything it creates more resentment on both sides. I am actually suspicious of their motives. As i said it before, just go ahead and look the articles written by tplf-cadres (horn affairs and the twitter account of those who write there is a good source). They quote YG (without critical thinking) to confirm their worsts instincts about Eritrea and Eritrean (not gov of Eritrea). One can suspect that YG and possibly AS are commissioned to supply seemingly authoritative material to be quoted by tplf cadres and think thanks. I can’t say that 100% for sure, but very possible.

            hm

          • Paulos

            Selam Halfmegedi,

            I actually thought you were better. Do you really think that he maybe getting paid? What the f*#% is the matter with you people?????? Damn!

          • halafi mengedi

            Paulos,

            Yes, I can’t rule out that either one or both of them are paid for the materials they produce. FYI, I really don’t care what you or anybody for that matter think of me, good or bad. I think it is better for people to engage with my comments/ideas than me, i am anonymous!

            hm

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi HM,
            What is possible is anything. For example, I truly believe Isayas is the major and the most potent person wronging Eritreans in the worst cruel way. I do believe Isayas is the bigger evil against Eritreans than any other individual on earth. But would I ever think Isayas is working for somebody else? Never. Is that possible Isayas could be working for some one else? Why not, it is not a mathematical impossibility. The “not ruling out” is applicable when you know certain things to that end. You don’t simply accuse anyone you are not agreeing with of becoming a paid agent. How is that you people are not bothered about looking foolishly villain on this?

          • halafi mengedi

            Hayat,

            I have explained why i suspected YG may be paid, you can read it for yourself (if beyan or paulos know for sure YG and AS are not paid, i am happy to change my mind).

            your ia parallel doesn’t make sense. i can give you many more examples where people write stuff, at least, in part to get paid.

            about accusing other, please have a look at your comments and do some self-reflection.

            hm

          • Hayat Adem

            HM,
            It is because you know them they are paid one way or the other. It is not like some one has to something about everyone of us or else we are under your suspicious radar. It doesn’t work that way buddy. We have a scenario of “known knowns… unknown unknowns” and some of those in between. You can’t say anything about the last category as you have no clue. You have no YG or AS are being paid. You are using the agreeability of what they as a doubting ground. If they were paid by Tplf but still you have no problem with what they wrote, you would rule out the pay issue. It soubds straight out of the illogical planet (where us gheteb)
            I will give one recent example how reasonable people are so considerate. Cohen runs a lobbying company. He meets Eritrean diplomats and discuss how to help them in the diplomatic front. He attacks the Ethiopia government but supports the Eritrean government on many issues openly and publicly. Saay does not only disagree with, but utterly annoyed by the views Cohen advances related to Eritrea. How do I know if Saay was annoyed? Because he wrote an article, if not two or more. Now, it makes a perfect sense to think Cohen is a paid mzungu. He probably is. But he came out himself and disclaimed that he is not paid by the Eri gov. And Saay came to say that we have no choice but to believe Cohen’s words because we don’t anything else to counter.
            AS and YG are not mzungu. They have a direct stake as citizens. They are entitled to advance their thoughts about salvaging Eritrea. The only thing they risk is erring. These are prominent thinkers and prolific writers who have toiled a lot to educate and enlighten Eritreans. How is it easy for you guys to go and badmouth great ones like that! If you can’t challenge their ideas, live with it.
            I will show you how funny and awkwardly imbalanced your thoughts are, HM. You asked Paulos to engage your idea and not the person of you. But you are not engaging with what AS said and reason out; rather you chose to attack their character based on mathematical possibility.

          • halafi mengedi

            Hayat,

            correct me if i m wrong but yg and as didn’t disclose if they are or are not paid, and unlike US, no penalty for lying about it…. one doesn’t have to be mzungu to get paid to write.

            again, my suspicions are not based on math, i explained before, read for your self….

            Finally, Aman has made me acutely aware that as anonymous identity my right to write stuff on suspicions (even if fairly reasonable) are limited. So, i will stop commenting on the topic of as and yg now.

            hm

          • Paulos

            HM,

            Hayat’s comments illustrate how smart people think and talk! Learn if you can!

          • halafi mengedi

            Paulos,

            Good thing is, i never said I was smart of any kind. But good to know what comments you think are smart.

            hm

          • Desbele

            Paul to HM;
            እግረ መንገድህን እስቲ ተማር እባክህ
            sounds funny!

          • blink

            Dear HM
            Come on man ,Amanuel Hidrat accuse people with out any slightest prove and so do Hayat . Who knows hayat in person? Tell me why would you care about their real name or fake name ? Paulos the googling guy name can be Ghebretsadik from Meskel paid to sleep in here and he can be Paulos who knows . The fact is this from is free to express your views on anything with out going far . As for YG and Amanuel, pls who can hesitate to suspect them of payment from rich Tigrians or weyane guys .

          • halafi mengedi

            Blink,

            the astonishing thing is that they can’t even bring themselves to say ‘apology accepted and move on’ when they were offered apology from me, and then they have the courage to accuse other eritreans of degraded culture/values or hubris etc etc.

            hm

          • blink

            Dear HM
            They don’t have the courage to say sorry and it means they don’t accept any. Hayat thinks YG and AS are thinkers plus she thinks Eritreans learned from them . You can see here basic information is all but lies . One day at the invitation of Sahay ( a racist guy ) she manufactured an Eritrean village that supposedly burnt by ELF , what she did not know was that , there was not and is not an Eritrean village by that name. She didn’t say sorry and she didn’t remove it .

            Second Amanuel Hidrat is a single distributor of Foro lies and he has a distributoring license of it . The guy is known to the accuser of EPLF and the highlands.

            Third Paulos is a guy who will do anything thing on googling to bragging rights that he is Mr. Know it all . So that you know.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi HM,
            Good decision that you dropped the topic though not for the right reason.
            The “YG and AS didn’t declare their status” whether they are paid or not is another funny shot. How many people you know have done that?

          • halafi mengedi

            Hayat,

            it was in relation to the cohen analogy you brought up, but it moot point now anyway….on the other hand, it may a good idea for Eritrean website to add 1-2 sentences regarding authors’ affiliations as many Ethiopian websites (ex hornaffairs, as, tigraionline…) do…but again the irony of anonymous account suggesting this killing me, so i better stop before i die….

            hm

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi HM,
            Is yours the infamous Ethiopian Review?
            Just be careful not to put serious allegations taken out of your pocket and tagg them onto innocent faces and you should be fine. Better than that is, of course, to have a little respect for our greats.

          • halafi mengedi

            hayat,

            Ethiopian Review?
            already i apologized and moved on…..
            hm

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam HM,

            This time you are right, that “real people” should not engage “anonymous people” who try to dissociate their thought from “whom they are” for all kinds of fears. Agree or disagree, it is worth to debate against or for, “Real individuals” like YG, YH, ST, …etc, who most of the time are contrarian to the general thinking of the majorities.

          • halafi mengedi

            Aman,

            I have zero expectation that people will engage me/my comments. My comments are not dissociated from me, but I recognize that there is certain unfairness for people with identified profiles when they debate anonymous accounts. If people are interested in the ideas/comments that i write, i would suggest they do so without having to label me ‘good, bad or whatever’, it would save them from being disappointed in me or my comments. Re YG, AS, etc, I appreciate they took the time to write without hiding, but it doesn’t mean they are right on issues or that they are not paid to write.

            hm

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam HM,

            Why do you accuse people of being paid for their views, when you don’t have any proof to your argument. You don’t debat on suspicions, you debate on facts. Suspicions remain with yourself (the individual) until you get justification for them. At least learn this approach of engagements; and once you learn that, you will eventually fight for your own views in the public sphere without fear and hiding behind penname. Pen names are often used to tarnish and to make false accusations to honest people who share their views without fear, whether we agree or disagree with them.

            Regards

          • halafi mengedi

            Aman,

            First, in my defense, i explained why i had the suspicion, and no body has addressed that reasoning. I also said that i am happy to kill my suspicion if people are willing to explain why they think yg and as are not paid to write. BTW, i don’t think getting paid to write is bad, it can explain certain things, but it is not bad. Also, i am not sure if they said they are not paid to write.

            Re pennames, i agree with you. I don’t think i was out of line, but if you so many of think so, i sincerely apologize and will restrain myself.

            hm

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam HM,

            Why do you want us to debate on suspicions? And don’t accuse people on suspicion. If you have suspicion, go and dig out to find proofs, then come to us to debate on those proofs. In politics I have all sorts of suspicions, but I don’t bring them until I get some proofs to share with the public. Please restrain to accuse people without proof. Second do not wait people to prove or disprove your suspicion and don’t reverse the question to us. After all you are the accuser based on suspicion. The burden to prove is entirely in you the accuser.

          • halafi mengedi

            Aman,

            your 1st paragraph… again, i don’t expect people to respond to my comments. And, I sincerely apologized and you will see that i will restrain myself. what else do you want me to do?

            your 2nd paragraph…sometime it could be hard to gauge oneself and people’s response can help illuminate or even admonish if inappropriate. I accept all that.

            other than that if you, paulos etc are trying to intimidate me to not commenting on stuff that you don’t like, you better not waste your energy. i will keep on commenting.

            hm

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam HM,

            So You are telling us, that you will come to accuse people on suspicions. Is that what you are saying? No HM, accusing people on suspicions and without any proof is simply blackmailing. After all when you can disprove their views and their positions with plenty facts, why do you need unsubstantiated suspicions for your argument? No body discouraged you to share your view. What we are telling you is to debate on meaningful issue, rather than on unprovable suspicions. With that, I close my case on suspicion issue.

          • blink

            Dear Mr.Amanuel.H
            You have been commenting in this forum based on suspicions , don’t try to play Mr. prove now . You are the list to question on prove because you have been debating people just this week based on suspicious things , don’t you remember the debate you hav about the American diplomat who happens to be against EPRDF . Weird things happen even though they don’t on every week.

          • halafi mengedi

            Aman,

            You have before attacked me for making probably the most innocuous comment and you never bothered to apologize or explain yourself. And here, you (and paulos) keep on pounding me even after i apologize and promised to be restrained. so, yea, you are being a bully.

            hm

          • Desbele

            Selam Amanuel
            ሓወይ፤ ክሳብ ኣብዚ ምምጓትካውን ዓቓል ኢኻ

          • blink

            Dear Beyan
            You know I expect you and people like you to reject views from people who are rooting for the dismantling of Eritrea on behave their pay masters. If infact Amanuel got any good points , it should have been to up lift the Eritrean youth in Sweden or any where he can find instead he is bidding for their fall by falsifying. I don’t think people can forgive him and I don’t think the guy has the interest of Eritreans because he showed us he care only for weyane cheque. Instead of putting your take against his view here you are counting Heritage that doesn’t exist.

            With due respect sir ,I don’t put myself in to your category of this route to Eritrea from Tigray before many years . I don’t like people who suddenly wakes up to make outlandish insults over Eritreans for no positive reason but economic issues . The Heritage you and many others looking after is all about killing based on your religion, ethnicity and just before 17 years it was based on your eye color but since people like Amanuel are too good at talking about things they get benefits from , now it is coined as “ heritage “ the ugliest reason ever told to Eritreans . We have nothing in common that binds us together looking at our heritage. The Somali would have disagreed too.
            Japan , oh yes Japanese the Americans used atomic bomb just not to end the WW2 but their decision was squared to Racism and show of force to USSR and many other connected reasons, now since when the so called Heritage worked for the benefits of the two people and where do Amanuel got all this ugliness? One has to ask an honest question and that is what is he getting from this all dirty work?

            Beyan tell me , do people lose their hope and go for more deadly things? That is what this coward doing . We have seen people like Ato Habtematiam say horrible things and here we have Amanuel the bashing Eritreans at the behest of crooked weyane guys .

          • FishMilk

            Hi Beyan. It’s NBA playoff time! I believe it’s the Rockets year! Where Eritreans actually descended from is a rather complex issue and entirely depends upon which timeline you are referring to. Old man Mota’s DNA find a few years ago kinda shook the way that we thought. And, a heck of a lot has transpired since Mota’s birth more than 4,500 years ago. For example, it is incredible the percentage of Asmarinos’s whose DNA shows Italian influence. Not quite sure that even on a millennia timeline basis, that I would feel corfortable in asserting that Eritreans descended from Tigray; simply too many loose ends out there. Anyways, It is now rather a moot point with colonial process having blown by and a quarter century of independence under the belt of Eritrea. Fried Mississippi farmed channel catfish with jalapeño hush puppies will do the trick for this game day.

          • Beyan

            Dear FishMilk,

            I take your parallel – with its humor and all – to heart. I am moving on from this topic as I can see it will require historians, political scientist, sociologists, demographers, Anthropologists [Physical and Archaeological] would have to convene to give us the full picture whence we descend from.

            Well said

          • Tesfu

            Dear Beyan,
            ” Eritreans descended from Tigray” complex id to squeeze it to a single line, you are making a big…
            True, some are affiliation to Tigray, not Eritreans all.

          • blink

            Dear Tesfu
            It’s not secret some from Tigrinya (Jeberti included) , bilen and some new once are migrated from Ethiopia and if we can get a derivative equation here there are Somali ( brothers to Jeberti)who are related to some Tigrinya speakers but no more . Can the Tigrinya alone claim Eritreans and just simply coin us to Tigrai ? What’s the benefit of zooming in to this all about ? Can’t Eritreans own their own heritage away from Ethiopia? I know in this forum there are people who will go extra miles to connect us yet the reality say to opposit .

          • Beyan

            Dear Tesfu,

            You may have read my entry in haste, here is the entire sentence for context: “From its historical and ancestral context, Eritreans descended from Tigray. This is our history as Eritreans, especially, those of us who claim Tigrinya as our mother tongue, to which I readily and proudly pronounce.”

            Tesfu, you missed the qualification where I say, “especially, those of us who claim Tigrinya as our mother tongue, to which I readily and proudly pronounce..” I can see how the beginning of my sentence could’ve been reframed better. I realize that there are Eritreans who do not descend, but I was specifically trying to address those of us for whom Tigrinya happens to be our mother tongue and highland happens to be our geographical landscape. Hope this clarifies it. I appreciate your observation. In fact, I should edit it so it doesn’t confuse other readers.

            Many thanks,
            Beyan

      • MS

        Dear Beyan
        His audacity to insult a population using a broadbrush language is more important to me than if he is paid for it or not. And paid for it is not limited to a status where he is a paid intelligence agent. What is more important to you, his focus on reduculling, demonizing and demoralizing Eritreans or the protection of the man at any cost?
        No one should be out of the range of critiquing no matter how socially privileged one might think. What’s is controversial is his attitudes towards Eritreans and not the source of his living. One can be employed in or contracted to the Tigray government but can remain credible. So business relationship has nothing to do with ones integrity. Please, don’t go too far to defend the undefendable. To me this is a war on Eritrean identity and I had to make sure such cynical approaches are confronted. If he believes he has superiority complex over the Tigirans, that is his prerogative, but he can’t speak for me and millions like me. I tried to make that emphasized in my article.

        • Beyan

          Selam Kbur Haw Mahmoud Saleh,
          I will have to read his article again as I read Ato Amanuel Sahle’s article in question when it first came out and shall give it the treatment it deserves as Haile S. seems to have done. Time permitting on my end, your article and that of Ato Amanuel Sahle deserve due consideration. So, the first sentence of your argument by way insinuation is what I found indefensible. Here is what blink quoted from your article:

          “ኣቶ ኣማንኤል ሳህለ ነቶም ስራሕ ዜሃቡኻ መራሕቲ ትግራይ ክትከላኸልን ስነ-ሓሳቦም ክተወናጭፍን መሰልካ እዩ (ጌጋ ይኽለኣለይ እምበር ሰራሕተኛኦም ኢኻ)።”

          Can you justify this below-the-belt insinuation that he is gegakha yikhlalka’mber, he is [Tigray’s] employee? The rest of the paragraph is something I cannot comment on without reading both of the articles in question, but I just didn’t want to decontextualize your ideas. For anyone who is interested in the entire context they can do so by continuing to read below:

          ግን ጭውነት (integrity) ዜበሃል ነገር ኣሎ። “ኤርትራውያን ንተጋሩ ይንዕቑ እዮም” ዜብል እምነት ኣሎካ ንበል። ግርም። ንስኻ ኸ እቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ህዜብኻ ዗ለካ ንዕቐት ኣይስወጠካን እንድዩ? ማለትሲ፣ ትምክሕትን ልዕልነትን እንተኾይኑ እቲ ዗ዚርብ ዗ሎ፣ እቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ ኤርትራውያን ብኣልማማ ትገብሮ ዗ለኻ ዗ለፋ ኣይርደኣካን እንድዩ? ንምዃኑ፡ ክንደይ ካብ ኤርትራውያን እዮም ነዙ ንስኻ “ትምክሕቲ” እትብሎ ይኹን እታ “ዓጋመ” እትብል ቃል ንምንሻው ትግራዎት ዜጥቀሙሉ?”

    • Haile S.

      Selam Blink,
      Thank you for getting interested in my take of Amanuel Sahle’s article. I think I have said what I needed to say particularly on his mentioned article. What I would add though is you may add your own take without calling names.
      Best

      • blink

        Dear Haile.s
        I am sure you can say more but may be you don’t want to destroy the picture of old time Amanuel by dragging him to his current stressful situation. I am not calling names except the real once .

  • blink

    Dear Alex
    Don’t forget who is talking about who . The guy lives in a soap foam party machine. You know what happens to a soap foam after the water dries up. In 1991 many Tigrians TPLF fighters refused to go the central Ethiopia to liberate the places from Dergi and many are living and can give testimony but since the guy is blinded by the Addis disco fantasy he has lost his googling for the obvious reasons.

  • blink

    Dear Amde
    First the interest of Tigrians can not be held by Bademe and other areas infact if they can see the bigger picture it is obvious that Badme and the border issues are killing the interest of Tigrians as we know it . Some few years back my close family member was importing edible oil to Ethiopia and the way he made his money was all the distance from port to tigrai and that only was his15% profit margins and this is with out the profit made from Malaysia or Singapore to port . The bonded warehouse of all effort companies can not made profits by shipping to Tigria , the profits of Efforts are made in Oromo and Amhara regions not in Tigria and we all know why this happens.

    The Tigria people really wanted to have peace with Eritrea because the tanks are not caring for them and they need the border to do its job. By the way why do Ethiopian leadership need to not respect the international rules ? How hard can it be to at least respect it . It is 100 million vs 5 million and Badme should not be the reason for Ethiopia to spend billions on arms hardware.

  • Selam Amde,

    I have said this in the past, and i am forced to repeat. Handing over badme to the same person, DIA, the aggressor and warmonger, who became the reason for the death of tens of thousands of young ethiopians, is equivalent to decorating him with an award for starting a war of aggression against ethiopia.

    Looking at him rejoice his victory over ethiopia (for as such it will be seen) with fanfare and kebero, is an insult to the memory of those who died fighting aggression, whose bones are still scattered in the environs of badme.

    The future government of eritrea is a different thing.

    • blink

      Dear Horizon
      So the only reason is just Issaias? What’s wrong with you ? Meles killed more than the war numbers. If you don’t want to remember these killed by weyane far away from the border with Eritrea, well it’s not like everyone is like you .
      Ethiopians under Meles and until now are actually under a dictatorship and that has been costing Ethiopian families their dear once and if you don’t want to know them , that’s really a shame sir.

      Badme is Eritrean land it has been down that road ever since Ethiopia got the paperwork hand to Syum mesfin. Now what exactly can Issaias get from getting badme ? He will lose his political capital over Eritreans and that means more problem to him than the fabricated emotional attachment of the border war.

  • Paulos

    Selam Fantination,

    I am waiting to see or read your take on PMAA Tigrigna speech. Man, that was one of a kind.

  • Amde

    Selam Teodros,

    አሁን ከምር የመለስ ስም ጠፋ ብለህ ሊከፋህ ነው?

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Amde
      It wasn’t me , somebody using same name with small letter on my father name.

  • Teodros Alem

    Selam
    I didn’t Wright this , somebody is using my name.

    • Amde

      Sorry Teodros.. just saw your response..

  • Amde

    Selam Awatistas,

    Forgive me for jumping in, but I wanted to share this video of Dr. Abiy talking to regular Tigrayan elders and commoners. Forget the cadre speech of the morning, this one should be considered THE speech to Tigrayans.

    The first part is common people stating their different issues. His response starts from about the 50th minute.

    https://www.facebook.com/maichew.mekoni/posts/1654447141298391

    Amde

    • Paulos

      Selam Amde,

      Many thanks for the link. I must say, I regret the kind of wrong perception I had about Abeyi. Well, to err is human. TPLF is done says a confused French dude but the man who understands the reality on the ground draws a car and an engine analogy to state the sharp contrast. Wish him well and all the best.

      • Amde

        Selam Paulos,

        Oh no.. skepticism is absolutely necessary.

        I thought this speech was interesting not just coming from the Dr. Abiy personality, but from the perspective of the new EPRDF chair. He was critical of the EPRDF on the issue of national unity, democracy, entrenched interests.

        He was also pushing social virtues, community service, acknowledging elders and mothers.

        I hope they (EPRDF) realize they are extremely fortunate to have him.

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          Dr. Abiy is EPRDF first and foremost. He is not someone with a reformist agenda who came from behind in opposition with other heavy weight personalities with in the party. He is promoting a collective and reformed self of the party in general.

          Second, he is sending a clear message to Isaias, G7 and other opposition figures whose sole mission is to isolate TPLF and the people of Tigrai when he said, there is no Ethiopia without Tigrai and the reverse holds true as well where the Oromo-Amara so called ሃጠውቀጠዉ alliance loses any meaning.

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          Earlier, I forgot to mention something related to Eritrea. Most probably, PMAA will announce the willing to withdraw from Badme in a bid to bring a lasting peace between the two countries. But it shouldn’t be construed as something that was won out by him among opposing individuals with in the party. It would have to come as a collective decision as opposed to a decision made by a single individual.

          • Amde

            Hi Paulos,

            Are you guessing or do you have an “informed opinion”?

            Nobody is against peace in general. But “expressing willingness to withdraw from Badme” is not the same as withdrawing from Badme. So qualitatively I don’t know if I see much difference between the past years and today.

            I agree by the way, there is nothing in it for Abiy or OPDO to spend political capital by taking unilateral position on it. There is no compulsion from the International community.

            And frankly, I do not see what many Tigrayans are expecting will happen once Badme is handed over. It will only mean something if commercial relations are opened up again – but I don’t see that happening without some talks of substance which have been nixed by Isayyas.

            Inn any case, a “Day After” scenario might be a worthwhile and fun exercise to game out on this forum. My guess is that Isayyas will find a new casus belli to keep the troops on the border. There is nothing Isayyas gains by peace with Ethiopia. And Eritreans who think the Badme ruse was legit, will most likely buy the next ruse he cooks up.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            It is a logical conclusion. From Ethiopia’s point of view, the way forward is to pull out of Badme, from Eritrea’s point of view however, the way forward is not getting Badme back, it is a different ball game and that certainly is not Ethiopia’s worries. Let me put it this way, Isaias has a lot of questions to answer should he gets Badme back, on the other hand PMAA will harvest all the credits for pulling* out of Badme. That is precisely the reason he is laying the psychological prep as a prelude for the pull out.

            *And we should keep in mind that, he was mobilized to the war front during the Badme war and he is in a better position to weigh in the political and moral aspects about the decision to pull out.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            But I don’t understand the “PMAA will harvest all the credits ” part.

            What precisely will he harvest?

            I am assuming “Badme” is a stand-in for “commercial relationship with Eritrea” by the Tigrayans that are complaining about it the most. Granted, there are a lot of families who were separated so that is an important humanitarian consideration.

            But the trading etc will require some kind of an agreement between governments. That process will take time. And a huge chunk of that time will be a political readjustment in Eritrea. If there is NO political readjustment, Isayyas will strike a deal that will maximize the survival of his regime. You know that is true.

            It is not like Abiy and Isayyas are in a popularity contest so Abiy can earn the brownie points that would otherwise go to Isayyas. The status quo is vital for Isayyas to survive. It is irrelevant for Abiy. The upside on resolution is unclear for Abiy, while potentially catastrophic for Isayyas.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            The imperatives of Badme is reduced to its commercial benefits particularly for those who make a living through cross-border trading, as such PMAA gets the credit for reopening the corridor if you will.

            Moreover, the reason PMAA is seeking peace with Isaias is not about shaking hands or opening up embassies but it is on top of the commercial needs, it is to settle the cold case once and for all as well. The border trading doesn’t need formality, it is something that happens spontaneously between the people on the opposit side of the border.

            Remember, even after the pull out, Isaias can still continue harbouring and abetting Ethiopian opposition groups in Eritrea and he would still do all the nasty stuff he does to destabilize Ethiopia, but the burden will be on the Eritrean people for he will not have any excuses for his adventurers. Ethiopian leaders know well how far he can go and they won’t lose sleep over him for it was precisely the reason they opt to pull out in the first place.

          • Amde

            Ok Paulos,

            So it’s allowing small scale transborder commerce, for the hope that the Eritrean people will reign him in or overthrow him.

            Of course I can be very wrong, but I don’t see that happening.

            More likely he will claim credit, use it to clean house, then make private deals with Ethiopia to secure his regime’s interest.

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            PFDJ doesn’t have any interest with Ethiopia rather than the border problem, you have to understand that the Badme issue is a killer substance to most opposition too. Where do you think all the third brain of most opposition will go ? what will they possibly do ? There are many opposition figures that wanted the border problem to go on and with that PFDJ destroy Eritrea. The one who has to lose most will be the weyane kids who made their live on the border and this can be said all to G-7 too.

            Eritrea has to find a way to live with out Ethiopia as Ethiopia already did.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            I don’t think it would be totally accurate that Isayas / Eritrea had no incentive to resolve Badime. I think Isayas can justify if he is given the upper hand that Badime is handed over to Eritrea and that makes him he was right all along.

            And once that happens, he is willing to give any concession to Ethiopia for what ever benefit they need to gain to accommodate their needs (the ERITREAN people would not know that detail), all they know is he won.

            The reason I say this is based on Amb. Cohen article “Bring Eritrea from the cold”, where I think he was writing based on Eritrean government direction and what they were prepared to accept.

            EPRDF were not prepared to give IA that moral win but if PMAA is ready to do so, I don’t think it’s far fetched possibility.

            As to the ERITREAN people reaction to Isayas and his threat, I don’t think it will materialize.

            One thing you can for predict IA behaviour is if he smells money, he will do anything.

            Berhe

          • Amde

            Selam Berhe,

            That makes sense actually.

            But, after claiming victory, what will he say to the agelglot thousands next? He will have to demobilize them, and keep them under control.

            Is that something he can do feasibly?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amde,

            I don’t if he demobilize the agelglot would create any problems for him. As long as the young go through sawa indictration, brain wash exercise and fear installation exercise, his system will be safe.

            He can live that, and the economic situation will get better from what it is today and that should relieve of any pressure.

            As much as I detest IA, if that happens it’s a progress for the ERITREAN people and will be a path to eventual final destination.

            Why would he do that, money.

            Berhe

          • Desbele

            Hi Amde,

            So easy for DIA. He will declare reconstruction and rehabilitation, or fight Houthi in Yemen or the other side depending on his mood, or slap Djibouti and engage in rhetoric with France or ohh…the sky is the limit for the monster. Remember there is no accountability for him to do anything he wants and he dont need an excuse too! He never said we need to keep agelglot untill Badme issue is resolved. Well he dont need to explain anything to anyone. He will just create something to control and continue his social experiment.
            Dont think the Agelglot keep silent for they have a cause of Badme to stand for…no no , they just dont have option. It is ወይ ዝበሉካ ግበረሎም ወይ ዓዶም ግደፈሎም. ዓዶም being his country and ዝበሉካ whatever he ordered.

          • Paulos

            Selam Berhino,

            How long is the pat on the back going to last? Not for long except that the Nhna Nsu will try to bank it here in Diaspora. The majority of the Eritrean people however, have suffered for far too long where they have shifted the blame from the Weyanes to Isaias.

            Remember, the G-15 were arrested when they brought up accountability for an issue after the ending of the war, after the pull out, Isaias will have to own a lot of questions but of course, if the G-15 made a cardinal error of trusting him, the question remains if the Eritrean people are going to repeat history as well.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Paulos,

            If the people have no means to hold him to be accountable then what difference it would make. No courts, no opposition parties, no private press, no freedom of association, etc.

            So it’s not people believe or trust him, they really have no choice.

            And if the boarder demarcation and normalization with Ethiopia made their life a little better, they are better off and they will be ok for the time being.

            Berhe

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amde,
            .
            The statement I am making is more of an invitation to those who may have facts and information about the problem.
            .
            There are people who identify themselves as Irob or erob who inhabit this particular boarder area and they fanatically believe to be Ethiopians. The verdict cuts out part of the land and these people who lived there for generations to go to Eritrea.
            Over a decade ago, I read an article from an Irob individual who was pleading with the Government of Eth. not to abandon them. I believe, Meles and Sium Mesfin surprised by the verdict became very technical about the decision to delay the implementation of the demarcating of the border. I thought the impasse, in part, might have to do with these people.
            .
            I think Dr. Abiy have to pay attention with sensitivity to that region and the Irob people first and foremost to find a satisfactory resolution. He probably understands that we have to avoid creating a permanent wound for us as well as Eritreans in the future.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Selam MrKH,

            I believe Meles had offered Isayas to implement the decision in the Western Sector (Badme and Shire lowlands), and Eastern Sector (Assab strip).

            He asked that they should discuss the issue of the Central Sector.

            Why?

            Basically,
            1. Eastern and Western sector are sparsely populated flat plains/lowlands;
            2. Central sector is densely populated mountains AND the hardcore of TPLF original constituency.

            The Erob fall within the Central Sector, and like most Tigrayans they are as you call them “fanatically Ethiopians”

            So the verdict was a bad decision politically for the TPLF. Knowing this, Isayyas chose to keep it as a political tool to make the Weyane squirm. Then TPLF found that THEY can use it as a useful tool as well.

            The real estate is meaningless and inasmuch as there is rhetoric of “.. not one inch if our land…”, fundamentally the issue is political.

            People in the Central Sector have gone about their lives ever since the decision, explicitly and implicitly assured by TPLF that they or the land they are on would not be transferred to Eritrea.

            If you are a PM AA, why would you want to inherit the headache of displacing the many (possibly many thousands) people along the Central Sector? I keep saying there is no upside for him. “Peace” in the abstract is meaningless.

            “Badme” is really meaningless in and of itself, but – in a way, packaging the issue as “Badme” gives a rhetorical out to both sides if they choose to take it. Ethiopia can get out of Badme town/wereda/whatever and make a big to do with weeping and “sacrificing for the sake of peace”. Eritrea can walk into downtown Badme and put on a big show about Warsai and Yikealo and ፅንዓት. They can then massage the central sector behind the scenes – problem solved.

            I would almost bet money that will be how it will be resolved.

            Amde

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            Benin and Nageria negotiated to make their 770 km border to be demarcated for the sake of peace of their people. In doing so Nageria ceded 7 villages to Benin in exchange for 3 villages. The question you have raised is very important. In the current Ethio-Eritrean border issue, there are some Eritrean villages that falls to Ethiopia and some Ethiopian villages to Eritrea in the cartographic delineation of the border. We need leaderships on both side who could take in to considerations those kinds of grievances for the people who live on the border of the two countries. Below is a link we can learn from it.

            https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Nigeria-Benin-draw-new-borders-20050610

            Regards

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Issaias has zero interest about Badme and he wanted the situation to go on . If weyane pull back it means the end of Issaias control over Eritreans. What can possibly Ethiopian leaders lose ?

          • FishMilk

            Hi Blink. Just listening to an old song ‘It’s another Saturday night and I ain’t got no money even though I just got paid.’. Anyways, Badme is clearly seen as a bargaining chip by Ethiopia, for it could have (should have) easily withdrawn long ago. With more diplomatically astute leadership, Eritrea would be able to protectively frame parameters for any ‘border implementation discussions’ between Ethiopia and Eritrea in such a way as to do no harm to Eritrea and possibly put it in a more positive international light path. Unfortunately, with Isaias at helm, we would be better off waiting for Hailey’s Comet. Don’t eat Tilapia grown in China!

          • blink

            Dear Fishmilk
            I think we in the opposition especially the ordinary people only wanted peace to rain and all the money that goes to weapons can go to vaccination, that’s the main goal I guess you to have such views. Issaias needs Badme problem and weyane needs it badly to be solved because they saw what happened to their people in Gonder and other places and check also the price of commodities in Tigray and other Ethiopian places so that you will see the problem of the Tigray people. As Eritrean I really wanted Ethiopia to respect international rules because Ethiopia under weyane has been the bully and aggressor for many years and that has to end because what can they possibly add. PFDJ can’t help themselves because they are just like that and if there will be any sensible Ethiopian leaders now they have to just hand Eritrea its land. May be they have bigger picture but their picture can not come to light by refusing the rule of law.

            Did you know Aminu Hussein, a political scientist at the University of Addis Ababa long time ago ? The guy practically knew weyane in 1991 . Google him and look what he said about TPLF related to Eritrea.

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde and Paulos,

            Here is a possible middle ground steps that can be taken to increase the possibility of breaking the stalemate.

            The key thing to understand is that Ethiopia is occupying quite a bit of Eritrean land, and badme and irob are actually very small pieces compared to the other land.

            I kind of see where Ethiopia is coming when hesitating about giving back badme (and some areas around badme) and irob.

            I think it may send a signal that Ethiopia is committed to peace if they withdrew (or even hand it over to some third party) parts of Eritrea between tekeze/setit and gash which is sparsely populated and is of no strategic value to Ethiopia.

            I don’t buy a single excuse related to badem that ia and his supports bring up…none!

            at the same time, as i said before, Ethiopia can say it is faring fine with the current status quo, but if you ask me, i see a lot of talk but no action or even credible plan on part of Ethiopia for peace with Eritrea…

            hm

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Amde
      The reason why he went there in the first place is to comfort them, i don’t blame him for treating them like a kid and talk nonsense but the one thing that got my attention was when he talk about tourism.

      • Amde

        Selam Teodros,

        Yes, he needed to go. Primarily to assure TPLF rank and file, but more importantly to give comfort average Tigrayan, about whom most people are drawing judgement based on Weyane propaganda, or on their interaction with TPLF appointed official or affiliated nouveau-riche outside Tigray. Both would give a distorted view.

        I don’t think he was treating them as a kid. The “motor” analogy may be overblown. But the typical Tigrayan identifies viscerally as an Ethiopian, and he is acknowledging that. Remember Meles in 1990 was telling Kaddafi and others that Tigray was an independent kingdom that was forced into being Ethiopian only by Menelik. That is an extreme rhetorical position which even today most Tigrayans would be offended with.

        I have to be cautious that I am not being too subjective, but to me, his message so far has been consistent in Jigjiga, Ambo, Parliament, Mekele – even if it is customized for the particular audience. He is signaling a retreat from identity politics. In this particular Q&A with the audience, he fingered EPRDF as being primarily to be blamed for too much of it.

        Amde

        • Teodros Alem

          Selam Amde
          He told them u r golds and he told them again when u not gold how come u call urself as gold(there he treat them as a kid just like tplf play them everytime).
          and he told them tigrai is ethiopia motors and he told them the rest of ethiopia knows u through gonder which means without gonder u r nothing to ethiopia( there he treat them as a kid again).
          Did u see them how they desperate to ask forgiveness for eritrea and rejected?

        • Paulos

          Selam Amde,

          I am curious to know more about what Meles had said to Gadafi about the independence of Tigrai. Could you provide us with a link or anything to that effect. Much obliged.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            No sorry – I cannot give you a link. I tried actually.

            I read it in an English language Saudi Newspaper (Arab News) in 1990 in the US. That was the first time I actually saw the name “Meles Zenawi” – before that they were just TPLF to me and the closest name I had hear of a leader was Sebhat Nega whose name I had actually heard while I was still in Addis.

            That piece (interview I think) quoted him as saying what I had said earlier – namely that Tigray was an independent kingdom until Menelik. That was the second notable item in that piece for me.

            You can make that what you will. The Arab News archives doesn’t see to go back that far.

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            You might have read something to that effect. I am not disputing that. But I find it to be an extraordinary statement from a man who was the leader of the Front at that time where the trajectory of the Front from the get go except in a brief hiatus that Tigrai as part and parcel of Ethiopia-proper which predates the advent of Menilik and his reign.

          • Amde

            Selam Paulos,

            That is precisely why it stuck in my mind. I had never entertained that thought before then.

            To be honest though, a conception of Ethiopia as something that Menelik cobbled together was standard fare among the liberation fronts. EPLF/ELF/OLF/SLM/TPLF etc… you name it. So it is not a large rhetorical distance to travel,

            To say it in a medium that during the pre-internet times was going to be extremely unlikely to be seen by any Ethiopian, but could attract the attention of sympathetic audience in the Middle East – well that was a no-brainer.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            True, if it was said about ELF, EPLF or OLF, one wouldn’t be surprised but TPLF is anything but. My feeling is it was probably peddled by Dergue propaganda ploy and it was fed to a middle east media outlet.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam paulos
            Listen to dr Abiy on the video when he share his experience in tigrai when he was a soldier, his conversation with adai Roman.
            Will give u a hint about tplf by extension meles.

        • Selam Amde, (again)

          Starting his working visit with the ethiopian somali state, a dinner program at the national palace for the opposition parties and other prominent personalities, a speech in ambo and before the people of tigray in their own language, a town hall meeting with the youth on the coming sunday, … all these signify the right choices and the right things to do in the first days in office, because the major issue for ethiopia today is peace and harmony of its diverse people.

          Peace, harmony and unity rightfully seem to be the first things on PMAA’s agenda, and his mission up to now looks well accepted by the people. The last part of his tour must be to the smaller regional states, and to tell them that they are equal partners, they are not forgotten, and they may be seeing more power devolving to the regional governments, so that they will be masters of their everyday life.

          The signs are that a different modus operandi may characterize PMAA’s administration, (let’s hope), with more democracy coming to the land, an open and equal political playground, and economic opportunities for all. Is it possible then to say that a new political wind is blowing in ethiopia? I hope so. Let’s wait and see.

          The next phase will be telling ethiopians that it is time for hard work, and we expect tangible reforms showing up in the political and economic fields. The economy will thrive and attract more fdi, if he succeeds to implement democracy, and peace and harmony comes to the land. Nobody invests in in an uncertain political environment.

          Unfortunately, he is already being accused of populism by some. If talking to the masses about their history, about unity, peace and harmony of the nation, their political and economic wellbeing, democracy, and the rest…., things that are opposed to elitist interests, i confess that i support such type of populism, contrary to those who said that they were proud to have been born to a golden people, or their people are exceptional people, and much more…, with the main purpose to use them for their hegemonic agenda, and then forget about them all together. This is real toxic populism, in my opinion. In addition, we should not be surprised if he is called a ‘right wing populist’ because of comparing american jews and african-americans.

          A young politician who cultivates national politics rather than narrow ethnic politics, as we have known up to now, is on the stage, and when he goes back to his office, we all hope that he will interpret in to action the things he had said in public. Could this be the start of a reverse course for ethnic politics and ethnic federalism? I want to see a gradual withering away of ethnic federalism and not its sudden abolition. I think that you said a similar thing the other day.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            That is my sense on the ethnic federalism part. I don’t find it hard to imagine the Abiy that made the comments at the Q&A also suggesting that federal states can also be organized along non-ethnic lines. In about five years or so. If EPRDF chooses to merge that may be a big sign. That is one of the questions supposedly on the agenda at their congress this summer (June or July) I think.

            The economic issues are tougher, but he is right that we need peace first. Hopefully it will persist .. but in any case what he has achieved so far is huge in terms of lowering anxieties. If there is such a think as a Gross National Blood Pressure (GNBP), one can say there is a statistically significant difference between the Pre-Abiy and Post-Abiy GNBP.

            Amde

        • Hayat Adem

          Hi Kibr Amde,
          I would argue the analogy make sense. Anyone who believes to the contrary would have hard time convincing the reasonable.
          Amde, you are usually cautious but what you said about Meles is a low blow and unbecoming if you. You have tones of writings about Meles and tones of speeches and countless statemtnts from himself, and many years of ruling with him at the helm, and the only material you wanted to associate him with by a selective choice is THIS unknown and unowned exchange with no evidence to back up? You have seen Meles representing Ethiopia through thick and thin. You should judge him by those.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hayat,

            Hayat, like you have said I consider Sir Amde one of the few who is a well read and speaks cautiously his words. I was surprised When Dr Paulos asked him, if he could give him any link pertinent to his claim, and he couldn’t. He gave an excuse that he couldn’t find the news paper he read. I don’t believe a man as astute as he is, to comment before his sources are at hand, knowing the accusation is very serious and is detrimental to his character.

            Look what he said in his reply to Dr Paulos : “You can make that what you will. The Arab News archives doesn’t see to go back that far.” Whether he did it intentionally or not, he resort in to the dirty tricks of politics of blackmailing. Very sad.

            Regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            .
            I am a devout believer of Meles as a great Ethiopian leader. Period.
            .
            However, there is plenty of evidence everywhere that he was not a devout Ethiopian in the early part of his political career.
            Don’t forget he was a leader of an organization to liberate Tigray from Ethiopia. (What does TPLF stand for then?)
            Things changed and morphed into what eventually became into today.
            .
            If TPLF succeeded in getting rid of Derg from Tigray and Derg was strong enough to stay in power in Addis the story written would be different. A lot of ifs, granted.
            .
            We might have an independent Tigray together with or without Eritrea, sort of like Serbia and Montenegro, but worse.
            .
            So to say Meles at that time hoping from Arab capital to Arab capital would tell them what they like to hear (music to their ears) seems more likely than not in its face. I don’t need to read it at Arab times or BBC, it just makes sense to me.
            .
            What I am positive about is, Meles didn’t tell them that his intention is to create a very strong united Ethiopia than ever before in history and to build a BIG DAM on the Nile. (perhaps he himself didn’t know it.)
            .
            Mr, K.H

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Kim,
            Meles was not an angle and he has made mistakes and I never mind people holding him accountable for those mistakes NOT on those that are fabricated.
            Those who Tplf in out have a different stoty tell about all this. In 1989/90, Tigray was completely liberated and controlled by Tplf. Derg and Tplf were in a peace talk in Italy. The talk didn’t move because of two points. One was Derg wanted Tplf to negotiate only about Tigray and Tplf. Tplf wanted the talk to be about Ethiopia and Tplf/Epdm.
            I am informed one-of the few opposition organizations that categorically opposed the Somali invasion on Ethiopia was Tplf. Tplf even threatened the Somalia government that it would side with Derg and fight along it to undo the Somali aggression. This is true though many believe to the contrary just because Tplf was being hosted by the Siade Barre gvt then. Tplf was a party of principles before it’s leaders became corrupt.
            Look how Amde portrayed the AA speech as a cadre type just because he said something that signifies about Tigray’s importance in Ethiopia. But isn’t that true? If you were to write Ethiopian history without mentioning Tigray, wouldn’t that book has more empty pages than written?

          • Paulos

            Selam Haiatina,

            Do you know what is so sad? These people [The Tigrean people] died and bled not only for Tigrai but for the whole country including for Eritrea [Died helping EPLF in its dire moments] but what they get in return is contempt and betrayal.

            The only reason an Oromo was able to ascend to power was simply because someone paid the price of breaking the vicious cycle where an Oromo was taken for a stéréotype. PMAA was not in a cadre-mood talk when he said, Ethiopia without Tigrai is nothing and the reverse is true as well. He knows, he has seen it when he lived with them during his formative years [In his early 20s.] Those who say otherwise will have to live with the bitter truth for there is no way around it.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Hayat,
            .
            You wont get any argument about your last sentence. Tigray and Ethiopia, one without the other doesn’t even make sense.
            .
            In fact, I have made several points in the past about Tigray and its role in ancient Ethiopian history and their current unifying effort based on equality that there are Awatistas who believe I must be a TPLF member. My poor mother, had she been alive, would have been proud of me.
            .
            Our recent history is a complex set of struggles for survival, only to be made more complex with outside interference.
            Hopefully, historians in these upcoming universities will write the intricate journey of our people. Until then, we have to make an effort to sift through a massive propaganda literature to gain few kernel of the truth, while we ourselves ,at the same time, are struggling to survive. However, the Truth will eventually prevail, no doubt.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Beyan

            Selam Hayat,

            Indeed, PM Abiy Ahmed’s words were Ethiopia without Tigray is like a car without an engine, para-translating here. You are absolutely right, if one were to write Ethiopia’s history, put aside the Aksum, the Adwa of yesteryear, just on the contemporary Ethiopian history, Tigray not only resides prominently but will be the nerve center of that history. Like it or not, Tigray’s influence in the current map of Eritrea and Ethiopia as we have come to know it and see it today contains Eritrea and Tigray’s imprint all over it.

            But, in my estimate, what PM Abiy Ahmed is trying to do is show Ethiopians that those who died fighting on the side of Derg are equally martyrs as those who were martyred fighting the Derg. These are all Ethiopians, one cannot removed Tigray from Ethiopia, because it soiled sweat and spilled blood for it just as did the rest of Ethiopians.

            A good example of counter narrative that continues to hurt Eritrea is that Higdef tried to create an image of EPLF’s blood as the only blood that was worth recognizing in the creation of the nation-state called Eritrea. As one astute observe said, this regime is one that fights with a cadaver of Eritreans who deserves to be buried in Eritrea and who doesn’t let alone acknowledging of thousands of Eritreans who vanished in the civil war – those were no more than collateral damages. As that young man in the clip I shared in a different thread earlier this morning in response to Haile S. & iSem, aptly put it, Isias, you tell him thousands of young Eritreans are fleeing, hillim ybelu yblekka; but when one person utters an idea different than the narrative Nsu conceives of, that idea and that person will be made to disappear.

            So, PM Abiy Ahmed is something monumentally important that has graced Ethiopia in its trajectory of carving its future path. As Mr. K.H. said it when invoking that image accompanying an article of young women fetching water is what we must keep in mind where our region is today, not where the elites lifestyle by which we should judge the predicament of the Horn of Africa.

            Sincerely,
            Beyan

          • saay7

            Hayat:

            So, TPLF was the originator of the concept of “TwgaHmo”: prioritize your target even if you have to do something that looks unseemly? And when they do it “it’s principled” but when others do it they are wrong? Interesting.

            Also this “Meles was not an angel” is a weak argument used by those who are fans of PFDJ. You make it sound that people are criticizing his “perfect imperfections” (credit: John Mayer) when they are criticizing his massive blunders.

            saay

          • Hayat Adem

            Dearest Saay,
            That was good. I would give you the credit for originating TiwgaHimo both as a concept and coinage.
            You are right: the he is not an angle is a very weak point.
            Sure, there was massive blunders of Meles and his team. I would one of them is how he weakened Tigray and Tigreans. I have a friend who has so many compelling narratives about this. This for another day. The ones that he is mostly criticized are fabricated. For example, the one that came here as if he said to Ghadafi something to Tigray in 1990. In 1989, Meles was negotiating with the Derg that his struggle was about Ethiopia while Derg was offering him Tigray. I have recently read a political book written by Meles. It is an Amharic book titled “WeTa WeTana ende Shemebeqo Tenkebalele ende MukeCha: ye EPRP Tradegy”. That allows you enter the TPLF thinking den. It was about an entire political dialogue and debate the TPLF had with EPRP, an Ethiopian prominent political organization. There is no more Ethiopian than TPLF or Meles at all. Whatever mistakes he made, he made them in the name and dream of making Ethiopia better. He gave his whole life for that society and country. What do people want to him to do and pay to see him as a Patriotic, nationalist and progressive Ethiopian who registered so many game changing successes for the country till his last breath. Some Ethiopian elites have this tendency of championing the wrong and pretentious heroes than the real ones.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma and Hayat,

            Do you notice that anyone say anything negative about PMMZ that you lose all your rational thinking and defend him at all cost. You are trying all your best to portray him as saint and canonize him.

            As an Eritrean, (I know it’s IA fault) but he too have a big part in separating the two people for almost 20 years now. These two people have lived for centuries together side by side sharing so many good and not so good history.

            I don’t know any country or any people who are separated by decision of two persons for this long. North and South Korea are the only other example that I can think about.

            This is his legacy to me, no matter how good he did economically for Ethiopia. I use to think it’s ONLY Eritrean people are suffering but I was surprised to know that the people of Tigray have suffered equally and that is a shame.

            He is a person of public responsibility and he should know or ought to have known the decision he has made has affected thousands of people.

            Berhe

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selamat Hayata,

            I had a wonderful friend in the early 90s in college who was anti TPLF in the extreme. Every perception he had about TPLF was based on its association with EPLF and the war with EPRP. As far as he was concerned those two acts translated “secession” and anti “Ethiopiawinet.”

            It took both of us quite a while to understand the power of perception. A “Tigrigna speaker seceded, therefore Tigrigna speaker is a secessionist” is very powerful perception we are still struggling with.

            By late 90s, I had given up trying to convince anyone about Meles or TPLF’s Ethiopiawinet drive. To some extent, TPLF is also to blame. There was never a quality discussion held with the people on this subject. “Facts will speak for themselves” has always been the problem. Meles made it worst by responding “yes, we contemplated that too” perhaps out of frustration, when asked about the so called “TPLF manifesto.”

            By the way, for a brief few months in the early years, we used EPRP’s Amharic publications for our weekly mass discussions. Until almost weeks before the war with EPRP, we were expecting to unite and even become a single party because there was absolutely no difference in ideology between the two.

            Unfortunately, EPLF’s pledge to support them and the quick acceptance they received in Tigray made EPRP too condescending and they saw TPLF as unnecessary obstacle and began to conspire with EDU. Every TPLFite went berserk about that one. A supposedly Marxist-Leninist organization conspiring with the unequivocally feudal EDU was unfathomable in those days.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            It was well known that in the early years of TPLF’s struggle their goals was for secession from Ethiopia. Whether that was a tactic and means to mobilize the tigrian people or as strategy to their end in their fight, only the leadership of TPLF knows it. Actually, it is the idea of secessionism that lead to the civil war between TPLF and EPRP. This is fact. But it gives me more to believe to the former, because even when TPLF liberated Tigray, they did not stop their fight rather continued to Beghemidr, Wollo, and Shoa. They form a United Front (EPRDF) with OLF and EPDM to mobilize the rest of Ethiopia in 1989/1990 until they set their foots in the city.

            Second, even if we assume the later, that their strategy was for independent Tigray, can’t they assess their strategy for liberating Ethiopia from the military dictatorship of Derg? Isn’t that new “broad strategy” that brought the formation of alliances with the other oppositions, with a new political platform, to establish New Democratic government, when the enter the city? Then why in the heaven sake could Meles, the engine of the idea of the “alliance and greater Ethiopia” will give that kind of interview contrarian to his objectives after 1989? I don’t think so for a man who did a great deal for Ethiopia as a leader, will give such kind of interview when Ethiopia is liberated and sitting at the helm of transitional government. No rational person will take as truthful info. That was my point. Leaders and organizations could make many mistakes, but not this kind of mistakes. It is always better to speak on recorded history from its inception to its end when talk we about that particular course of Ethiopian history.

            Look, bringing such baseless story when leaders are struggling to keep Ethiopia and Ethiopians, is sad and to come from a level headed Amde is disappointing. Even his view on the speech of the PM on the reflection of Tigrians vis-vis to Ethiopia is not positive. Anyway Ethiopia will not be served well with such kind of thinking. That is my take on the issue,

            Regards

          • Selam Kim Hanna,

            “Meles was not a devout Ethiopian in the early part of his political career.” is well put, and i would add that he was not an all time saint, and one should not put a halo around his head.

            There are three things that come to my mind that i can say are his great achievements: 1) initiation of the economy, 2) standing against egypt on the gerd, and 3) standing against Gaddafi when he tried to move the AU headquarter to tripoli by bribing african leaders.

            At the same time he was authoritarian and a dictator. One can’t help but remember: my way or ethiopia is not meant to be, presenting the ethiopian flag as a piece of rug, and ethiopian history is a hundred years history, which show that he was ready to sacrifice ethiopia anytime, the 2005 killings of 200 demonstrators in addis in broad daylight under his order and the life imprisonment of opposition leaders, his lopsided economic policy towards shabia that lead to 1998-2000 war, which had nothing to do with the boarder, but the parasitic economic relations of the pfdj with tplf, his famous rhetoric that there is no direct relationship between economic growth and democracy, it is a bedtime story, thus proving his authoritarian behavior, which is the reason for today’s political anomaly in ethiopia, the invasion of somalia to satisfy the west, etc.

            Therefore, in my opinion he was a controversial personality, arrogant in many ways, and with a dictatorial behavior, who provoked opposing sentiments of love and hate in ethiopians. On the contrary, the reason why PMAA is attacked right from the start, still remains elusive, at least to me.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Horizon,
            .
            Let me see if I have enough elasticity to hang on to you on one hand and Hayat on the other. I have high regard for both of you.
            .
            A long time ago Amde, counseled me when I was having difficulty with Mr. Johar, the owner of this forum, on the topic of Haile Selassie. Two diametrically opposite positions.
            )) Amde said it is the result of our separate experiences.))
            .
            By the way, regarding Meles, you forgot to mention the big sin that he failed to lift a finger, in fact supported, the cutting off Ethiopia from the sea freeway, at the international forum. Whatever his reasons were.
            .
            The way I look at it is this:
            As Hayat said there are no angles among us.
            .
            In 1991 when the I learned the EPLF and TPLF tanks rolled in to Addis and Mengistu fled to Zimbabwe, I literarily wept. Ethiopia was on its knees.
            .
            Fast forward to 2018, a young PM of Ethiopia was in Jigjiga, Ambo and Mekele and was received with appreciation and ELLILTA.
            It took a lot of people and a lot of hard courageous work to change my disposition from that despair to this hope.
            .
            Among all the people who deserve credit Meles gets the crown. He was the Engineer.
            Horizon, don’t forget by just making a minor adjustment of the individual circumstances of the two cousins, we could have had I.A.
            .
            Mr. K.H

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Amanuel,

            “Blackmailing”?

            Who would I be blackmailing?
            For what purpose?

            I think you may want to use another word.

            Thank you

          • Beyan

            Tena YsTillign Gash Amde,

            You maybe anticipating something unique from PM Abiy Ahmed. If my memory serves me right, Horizon was suggesting for the new PM’s first visit to be Tigray, that prediction came close – He decided the Somali Killil was the number one concern for Ethiopia, where people’s animosities were reaching fever pitch. As the governor of the Somali Killis indicated that there was no need for people to kill one another over water when there was plenty of water to be had for all Ethiopians.

            On his second visit, PM Abiy surprised most of us in deciding to address the people with their mother tongue, which was a stroke of a genius. He killed two birds with one stone: (1) Those Tigrayans who were unfairly targeted within Ethiopia and thousands of whom were beginning to question what Ethiopia was good for if she cannot protect all of its sons and daughters within Ethiopia’s proper. Goal number one achieved; (2) The corollary of this, shall we say, the unintended consequence of this goes beyond the Ethiopian border to the Diaspora Eritreans who were trying to create another country called Eritrea, one that would include Tigrayans, was effectively made null and void. These false prophets who, at least cartagrophically speaking, created a new aspirational nation-state within two nation-states, their divine inspiration was crushed with that one speech, that, in my estimate, was the unintended consequence of the Tigrinya speech of the new PM.

            Now, Gash Amde, you may just be inadvertently anticipating this: Imagine, the new PM goes to Diredawa Killil and addresses them in Arabic language. Would the narrative of Ethiopia for all Ethiopians begin to crumble, from rhetorical standpoint? I am just wondering out loud here, weekend chat, that’s all.

            Sincerely,
            Beyan

          • Paulos

            Happy Saturday Dr. Beyan,

            The guy is obviously stealing the show and one wouldn’t be surprised if the name Abeyi was flying around at the mid-wifery ward in Meqele yesterday as the newly parents picked a name for their new born baby. As you have aptly put it, it was a stroke of a genius for him to address the people in Tigrigna. Experts tell us that, if you want to make someone feel respected, call the person by his or her name and speak their language as well. No wonder people who know him well say, he is the “How to….” books buff.

            Speaking of the Agazian looney dude, what surprised me the most is the kind of wider audience he seems to enjoy in Meqele where most of the educated class are sympathetic to his ideas. The sympathy, however, is based on an emotional overdrive as opposed to deep historical introspection where his ideas fall flat.

            Here is joke of the week. Isaias writes PMAA and he says to him,

            ምስ ሰናይ ሰላምታ,

            ብስም መንግስትን ህዝቢ ኤርtራ እንኳዕ ሓጎሰካ ክብለካ ይፈቱ: ብምቕጻል ሓደነገር ብትሕትና ከረጋግጸልካ ይፈቱ: ንሱድማ ንዓኻውን ከም ዘሐልለካ በዚ ኣጋጣሚ’ዚ ክሕብረካ ይፈቱ::

          • Desbele

            Paul,
            And it is sad this is taken as strength by die-hard pfdjites. It is similar to what this lunatic has actually said ኣብ ወርቃዊ ኢዮቤል የራኽበና።
            His son is said to lament
            ወርቃዊስ እባ ንኣና ግደፈልና

          • Beyan

            Dear Dottore,
            At the risk of being called elitist, we maybe coming to a new era where educated Ethiopians and Eritreans are beginning to assert their knowledge and make good use of it. የተማረ ይግደለኝ might just be the mantra now. Our educated lot who have vast knowledge in their respective profession, may finally get the deference that they deserve. The direction of PM Abiy Ahmed may just be the right prescription for our region, where Ethiopia can begin to attract scholarly conferences where the Horn of Africa scholars flock to share their knowledge, their hopes, their aspirations and dreams of the region; where new ideas will begin to germinate. After all, he is, as you alluded to it a “How to…books buff” and on two occasions now I’ve heard him allude to “Pan Africanism”. Hey, one never knows. Well, let me truncate my dreaming here and tell you that yours and that of Desbele joke have created a light heart moment that I desperately needed to lighten the mood for a weekend.

            Sincerely,
            Beyan

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Beyan,

            Apparently Dr Abiy has written a couple of books under a pseudonym. Was listening to a narration on a chapter about Lions. One of the things that had annoyed me a while was the overwhelming symbolism of lions.

            He has written about how we admire them and how their characteristics have transferred themselves into our value system and institutions. Their territoriality, apex-predatorness, their aversion to having someone other than their own lineage having right to life, their holding oon to sole power until they are driven off by a younger stronger rival. Sound familiar?

            He has promise.

            Amde

          • Paulos

            Selam Amde,

            That sounds like straight from Machiavelli when he said, “The Lion can not protect himself from traps and the Fox can not defend himself from Wolves. One then has to be like a Lion to recognize traps and like a Fox to kill Wolves.” Perhaps, if there is a sequell to his book, it might be about a Fox.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde,
            The admiration of the lion has always bothered me. First the lioness do most of the work. The lion, thanks to his enormous head, which is good to impress others only, is too heavy to do the real work. Nevertheless, the lion gets the “lion’s share” while the lioness and her kids wait for pieces. When the lioness has her cubs, she gives birth among other lioness. She then introduces the cubs to the father with some trepidation. The lion, might decide to kill the cubs right there and then, so that the lioness will stop nursing which will get her ready for mating match faster. Sorry for the national geographic lesson. But seriously the lion should not be an animal to be admired and emulated.

          • Amde

            Hi Abrehet,

            Spot on…

            Isn’t it strange it is an animal selected to symbolize so many countries, clubs, dynasties, beverages, currencies all over the world?

            You have to admit the hair… er… the mane….:-) has something to do with it. Lol. A lion never has a bad hair day..

            If it was up to me our national animal would be the lowly donkey.. They are tough, and male or female they work hard to the end. They are ubiquitous.

            And, precisely because they work hard all the time, they are regarded with contempt. The equivalent animal in drier climates (the camel) has earned enough respect to land on national symbols.

            Amde

          • Selam Amde,

            As you very well know, it has always been the same, even in human society, let alone in animal kingdom. It is the strong, the predators, the cunning….that get the accolade and the title. The masses toil and sacrifice themselves for the glory of some. That is why the lazy lion who lies under a tree during the warm hours of the day, while a donkey could be ascending a hill carrying a load, is respected without doing anything.

            By the way, do you remember what one of the people at the gathering with the pm in mekelle said? “አህያ ትሸከማለች እንጅ ሸክሟን አትበላውም”. It was hilarious. I thought that he meant, “while the people of tigray are blamed, it is tplf that is getting the benefit of ruling ethiopia from the center. Simply, the people are being used”.

            The donkey had been the main means of transport in the villages and even in towns like addis. (I do not know if they have been pushed out, i doubt). A veterinary doctor was caring for ethiopian donkeys by travelling throughout the country. I do not know how much he succeeded.

            I vote for the donkey as our national animal, but i am afraid that there is the fear that it may end up an endangered species, unless something is done, now that africa is overrun by the chinese. There was a big opposition in some african countries to the slaughter of donkeys and the export of their meat and skin to china, vietnam and other asian countries. Soon dogs may also be targeted.

          • Amde

            Selam Horizon,

            I didn’t note the Mekele people’s lament “አህያ ትሸከማለች እንጅ ሸክሟን አትበላውም”…. Good catch and interesting point. Extending its utility, it could be the universal lament of the “exploited class”. If Marx had been abesha, he might have used the Donkey uprising as the theme of the Communist manifesto.

            I think Ethiopia has the second largest donkey population in the world and my bet is it is the origin. There was extensive research done to see if donkeys can be used as plough animals for farmers (including redesigning the harness and what not), but I dont know how far that has gone.

            Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Donkeys luck predators mentality and they are simply not territorial by nature and they don’t kill except some time arguing about a common females which is almost common among animals. I really wanted to know what the Oromo people think about lion.

          • Amde

            Selam blink,

            For your daily utterly useless information feed:

            The Oromo word for Lion is Lencho. ሌንጮ።

            Which is a fairly common Oromo male name.

            It apparently has made it to the Urban dictionary, which states:
            – a substitute for the name Larry
            – a dangerous fellow
            – a confident man who dresses sharp
            – a male that is acting gay

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            You are sometimes not Nice really . I thought lencho is used by the Hispanics especially around Texas and cali of the south american ( Mexicans ….)

            What I asked was for it’s political interpretation by the Oromo not its stone meaning .

          • Amde

            Selam blink..

            Too early for a dose of useless information of the day?

            Haha

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Whatever you do , you are stylish Amde .

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Amde,
            I second the proposal to use a donkey as a national symbol. While on this topic, look for “One Donkey for the bright future” on YouTube.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abrehet,
            I don’t want to undo Amde’s choice, but if Ethiopian animals were asked who among you best represents your country, no one would justify his honorable place more than the proud Gelada (ጭላዳ). He would say, I am am the exemplary citizen found only in that country, not even in Eritrea, their traditional warriors put my mane on their head, I deserve the central place on their emblem.

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Aya Haile
            Gelada is too close to human. What attributes of his are we going to admire except the hair? We already the afros or afro has-beens giving us a headache.

          • saay7

            Selam Abrehet:

            I love this forums ability to go after everybody and everything including the lion who is accepted universally, across all cultures and religions, as the symbol of strength 🙂 (David goes to the lions Den and kills a lion before facing Goliath, for example and there are similar variations among our people of the man who wrapped his hand with ነፀላ fed it to the lion stabbed it with his right hand and what is the title of a lion-killer Abrehet?) The Ethiopian lion with his black mane used to be a tourism curiosity specially after we were told he is about to go extinct. Haile Selassie’s (the Lion of Judah) mystique was partly because he had the Ethiopian lion in his palace whom he personally fed.

            saay

          • Amde

            Selam Saay,

            Lion taming must have been a long standing court craft. It is not just Haile Sellasie, but his predecessors also have photos or engravings with lions.

            It would make for a nice documentary or basis for a story.

            The Lion-Tamer of Debre-Saay

          • saay7

            Amde:

            To tie it with what Abrehet is saying, would the culture be impressed with a lioness-tamer?:) And to tie it even more with another thread, are courage/valor core values? To retie it with yet another thread, how come EPRDF has no produced a single female leader?

            I will accept a doubled-spaced essay in Times New Roman with APA citations by noon tomorrow 😀

            saay

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Saay7 ከመዓልካ
            The title given to one who kills a lion is Haneta ሓኔታ. The obsession of leaders (mostly male, I dont want to say all, because of I am not 100% sure) with lion might be symptomatic of what is wrong with the world, greed, totalitarian power, excessive ego… Someone must have written on this.
            On a lighter note, after the Ethiopian revolution, a cadre was giving a lecture in one of the villages near Asmara. The cadre was lecturing them on evolution and the usual ካብ ህበይ መጺና issue. A woman asked “You Ethiopians are always saying we are heroes. If you must come from an animal, couldnt you at least say you came from a lion.”

          • Amde

            Selam Gash Beyan,

            Irrespective of what our august host El Presidente Saay might think, I have to say Dr. Abiy is winning me over. Someone had suggested that this forum should analyze speeches. I can tell you for a fact that I have started to evaluate his speeches in terms of rhetoric, audience, context, location. He is proving to be a great communicator. It is maybe to early to tell (but between you and me and nobody else) he is starting to possibly be a historic figure.

            Your point is quite astute. His “Tigrai is the engine of Ethiopia” is clever and heart warming, but also a dagger to the heart of the Tigrai-Tigrigni narrative. I don’t think it was just diaspora Eritreans, but quite a number of Tigrayans as well embracing Agazianist ideas. So in that sense, Dr. Abiy’s “Ethiopia Andinet” rhetoric also saves Eritrea’s view of itself as a country of a set of demographic balances.

            Now you have me wondering if he can speak Arabic… you know, it is said when he was growing up he grew up reading the Qur’an. Not just casual reading.. but training to recite. So I would not be surprised if he were to speak Arabic. Definitely he can reach out to Muslims.

            The issue with DireDawa is not religious, as far as I can tell, but ethnic. The Mayoralty has been swapping back and forth between Oromo and Somali (OPDO vs ESPDP). Again – a city that has to negotiate its life within the ethnic dogmatic lens. His andinnet message might be received well provided he can articulate it just right. EPRDF had big economic plans for DireDawa (manufacturing, energy, logistics hub, etc…), and so coming up with a workable framework that will lower ethnic temperatures, and ties DireDawa’s economic growth to the benefit of the surrounding would be necessary.

            Pretty much all large cities/towns will reflect a higher demographic diversity than the surroundings. We are still at a low urbanization rate, so urban diverse demographics will be a growing constant feature. EPRDF is not structured to meet and reflect that. So unless thete is a new narrative, DireDawa’s fate could be reflected in many locations in the future.
            One of the things I liked about his Q&A session response yesterday was that he tied his visits and speeches to institutional decision EPRDF has supposedly reached that they have pushed the ethnic envelope too much, and now they have to work in the opposite direction.

            So, having said that. Him speaking in Arabic would be immaterial to the Ethiopian narrative, since people don’t care. I just don’t know of any particular Ethiopian demographic that is looking to hear Arabic – it is simply not an issue in Ethiopia.

            Perhaps you are alluding to the old “Christian Island” conception. But again, that is not a political issue at all now. If anything, the Religious sensibilities of the hardcore Tewahdo Tigrayans might be offended more that he is a Protestant. Tewahdo absolutely adore St. Mary, and for a long time (before the word Pente became fashionable) a Protestant was referred to as a ፀረ-ማርያም. In fact one of the jokes about PM Hailemariam Dessalegn was that he was a ፀረ-ማርያም named ሀይለ-ማርያም.

            Amde

          • Beyan

            Dear Amde,

            I want to play risk-averse role for fear of not mangling your beautifully narrated response. So, I will confine my response to what I had in mind when I juxtaposed the two issues – Arabic language & Dire Dawa – in their historical context from the Medieval era . Here is a quick steal from the wiki-land for some history about the Dire Dawa region, according to Wikipedia:

            “Historically, the city of Dire Dawa was originally called Dir Dhabe and used to be part of Adal Sultanate during the medieval times and was exclusively settled by Dir clan which is a major Somali tribe and after the weakening of Adal Sultanate, the Oromos took advantage and were able to penetrate through the city and settle into these areas and also assimilate some of the local Gurgura clan.[7]

            “In 1897 after the establishment of Alfred Ilg’s Imperial Railway Company of Ethiopia, Dire Dawa—originally known by its period French spelling Dire-Daoua[8]—grew up at the site of a former village known as Addis Harar (Amharic for “New Harar”) upon the line’s arrival in 1902.”

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Amde
            If u expecting honest or constructive conversation with this people(the tplfist) u r wrong .they simply design to be like this. I mean it is like a religion for them. They don’t give a demn if it’s true, logical or whatever .

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            You know it was Amde failure to accuse the saint of some people in this Forum and once you cross their imagination they will try to break their neck in order to say no sound. Mr Amanuel is a well known weyane Admirer and he has the right to accuse people with out prove . Hayat has been making lies in this forum for ages and she has never brought any reference to her wild lies and yet they wanted to nock the guy down for saying the obvious things about early Meles as well as TPLF vision. TPLF was all and only for Tigray independence and this is not like Amde made it now.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam blink
            The reason i started to comment here in awate was because after i saw the tplfist pretend none tigrai and trying to mislead the forumers as if they r not tplfist.
            But now the whole forumers knows who they really r .
            Thier nonsense lies didn’t convince the ethiopian or eritrean peoples for the last 27 years but got them in this mess .
            But i am sorry for the people of tigrai , they hot to death over thier but this people r playing with fire for non existed problem driven by inferiority complex.

          • blink

            Dear Teodrose
            Yes these people sleepless nights have turned to ashes . I second to know most are acting as if they have nothing with TPLF but once another Ethiopian show up with his different perspective they jump to accuse him of many names and that gives you the picture of some people in this forum.

          • halafi mengedi

            Amde

            When scanning the forum, i saw some interesting things said about and i was franticly going up and down the comments to see what possibly you could have said. When i finally saw the comment that supposedly angered some, i felt let down lols.

            I see that the ‘blackmailing’ label irked you a little…it actually cracked me up…the sheer assumption (behind that statement ) that you are some kind of shaker and maker, and that your opinion MZ would move mountains…so funny.

            similar thing happened to me a few days ago…i was labeled ‘indirect supporter of the current condition in Eritrea’ for saying that ‘tolerance’ in Eritrean society is not as degraded as other people think (and I even added ‘i may be wrong’). It also irked me a bit, but it made laugh when i imagined that he was doing that (being intolerant to my opinion) just to prove to me that tolerance is dead…lols.

            hm

          • Amde

            Selam hm,

            Be careful – you might be accused of being tolerant of blackmailers.

            It was flattering and hilarious to be honest. MZ is moved and shaken

            Amde

          • Amde

            Selam Hayat,

            I don’t know what to tell you.

            The implication is I made up something somebody has said over 28 years ago, who has now been dead for five years .

            Well I did not.

            I said what I read and recalled. I explained why I had reason to remember it. I gave the name of the paper. It was before the internet, so one had to physically go to a library. I remember that paper well, because unlike everything else, FT stood out being printed on Orange paper, while ArabNews was printed on light green paper. It was the first time I remember reading/encountering his name.

            I am no fan of Meles. I have never been a fan. He had a good brain.
            By all accounts he loved to read. He was a prodigious consumer of information.

            But he was dogmatic, cruel and arrogant. Many of his decision were tactically good but strategically blunders. The very fact PM Abiy is lauded because he went to Tigray to calm the nerves of Tigrayans, that an Oromo man from Agaro has to go to Tigray and proclaim the Ethiopianness of Tigrayans tells you Meles’ creation has proven to be a den of ethnic competition that has made chunks of Ethiopia inhospitable to many Tigrayans.

            I don’t need to go back to 1990 to say something negative about Meles. And I don’t need to make anything up.

            This is an internet forum, not an academic one. Nobody else is harangued about references and citations here.

            I reported what I personally read. You judge what I said against an image of Meles you have built up.

            If the two do not reconcile, you are free to choose between “Amde is Lying” and “Hayat has incomplete information.” Either one doesn’t bother me to be honest because the prior is not true, and the latter will be changed as new information comes out.

            Amde

    • saay7

      Hey Amde:

      Well THE speech is boilerplate speech. Nothing that a generic cadre from any of the franchises of the EPRDF cartel couldn’t have said. I think the people of Tigray are so destitute that the slogans of ከም ቀደምና and a nice lady gave me a cup of coffee when Inwas stationed here for three years are too little too late, notwithstanding the charm of somebody whose mother tongue is not Tigrinya saying them. Referring to the standstill with Eritrea, he referred to ሻብያ (as a generic cadre would) and had nothing new to offer other than that it should be solved peacefully. He also did his “kids these days!” rendetion of grumpy old man chastising the youth to volunteer and to serve. Also, don’t believe Facebook.

      Trip 3 and he is running out of steam. Sorry Amde and all Team Lema fanboys. But he is more personable and charming than the governor of Tigray….

      saay

      • Amde

        Haha Saay,

        Aha.. not a fan I see.. 🙂

        Don’t you know Shire’s coffee is akin to Philadelphia’s cheese steak? You might despise cheese steak, but if you are running for Prez, you are gonna line up, and sink your teeth into those bad boys.

        I told you in the Eritrea thing. Nothing is gonna happen.

        Amde

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam saay,
        .
        I am not angry or mad at you at all. I hope you don’t take it in that light. It is, however, a criticism of your point of view, even it is made in a light hearted way.
        As an opinion maker, you are missing an opportunity to draw a hopeful picture for that part of the region. Division and zero sum game is the norm, here is a fresh leader with his own set of tools trying to make a difference. (I said trying)
        .
        I call it, maximizing the minimum and minimizing the maximum. I don’t know where I got that description, but it stuck with me because a lot of people are guilty of it. It must be the educational system. Mostly highly educated people resort to it.
        .
        This post of yours is a perfect illustration of it.
        You were really impressed that an Oromo Ethiopian PM was addressing his constituency in the center of Mekele, speaking in Tigrinya language.
        As if that is not enough of a miraculous event, the common people in Mekele were static with joy about it.
        You wanted to stick to your narrative of the Lema fan club and state it this way.
        .
        You are a gifted author. I wished you were able to go above it and articulate the event in its historical perspective and the potential for future generations. To improve the lives of all those people of our region….remember the graphics of women fetching water in a recent article here at Awate. Those people will be the beneficiaries, if he succeeds.
        .
        Mr. K.H

        • Paulos

          Thank you KH. That is just beautiful!

        • Beyan

          Dear Amde, Sal Y., Berhe Y., Mr. K.H., Paulos, and All

          I second Dr. Paulos’s motion in the way Mr. K.H. is framing the issue. There are times when personal feelings must be put aside. Irrespective of how one feels about circumstances, if there is a glimmering hope that an ambition could beat a condition, it should be a moral imperative on the opinion makers like Sal and Hayat Adem, to curb their critical instinct and not only cling to that hope, but nurture it, magnify it, turn it to an optimism that can eventually have a positive impact on us all. Hayat Adem clearly is cautiously optimistic, gathering from her last entry, but it can’t be said of our prolific Sal Y. I am hopeful he will come on board soon.

          Our spirit has be been jaded and jarred for so long, there comes a PM with some fresh approach as Berhe Y. wisely observed, let us please keep on pushing that pendulum to swing all the way to Eritrea and beyond. The man has been extending an olive branch to the menace at home. But, we know the man at the helm in Eritrea is not going to heed such a call. Therefore, can we in the opposition, not necessarily the organized ones, but those of us who are here in this august medium – Ethiopians and Eritreans alike – come up with a counter narrative and collectively send to the PM some messages of hope as SGJ tried to do through his Negarit piece.

          This time, let us come up with a petition, not the type we are used to, one in which we send the Human Right’s Commission, what have you, but one that sends a positive note to the new PM directly to his good office; one that shows we the people in Diaspora are encouraged by the actions that he has been taking so far and that he continues that trajectory instead of making insinuations like “he is running out of steam” as our kbur opinion maker, Sal Y. has just stated above. After all, PM Abiy Ahmed, in one of his speeches did say he meets with the Diapsora Ethiopians on a regular basis and he is inviting them to visit Ethiopia and see the reality on the ground firsthand.

          Sincerely,
          Beyan

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Dr. Beyan and all,

            I think your suggestion is something sensible to do. I have listened to PMAA’s speech in Mekele and his conversation with elders. His move after his inauguration to unite the country behind him is the right thing a good politician should do. It’s an imperative that indicates competence of leadership. A newly elected leader should connect with the public to sober euphoria and assuage anxieties. What he has embarked on in his travels around the regions of the county is this work in process beside it being novel in the region. A newly elected leader has to engage with the public and assure its members about the future. In the USA a new president is anticipated to unite the nation after election.

            In my view, PMAA has so far demonstrated that he is in fact a promising public figure that deserves to be encouraged and supported. There is no illusion about the odds and challenges he will be facing. And, he appears to understand that the mobilized good will of the ordinary citizens would be indispensable asset if he would be able to navigate through the hurdles competing interest groups and politicians would lay down on his path.

          • blink

            Dear Beyan
            First there is zero action from the man second he only repeated all the same talk of weyane that says “ we are ready to talk “ even PMHD said more than that “ I can go to Asmara “ who can forget it , third the Eritreans in the diaspora have nothing to say except some who fly weyane agenda and some who fly their own personal agenda and infact most in the opposition diaspora are all wanted weyane to run wild with his tanks to Asmara one of them is Your guy Amanuel Hidrat and known Hayat adem ( now she will running her game of praise for adwa guys) . By the same mirror the guy is simply a weyane colonel and a fruit of the same tree that destroyed millions of lives but who knows he can be a change agent and it is a humanitarian way to give him chance if in fact he can act on the promise he is making .

            Talk is cheap and poisonous but if his words become real it can serve Ethiopians in a good way and that has nothing to do with Eritrean lives . The notion like what he keep saying Eritrean brothers is a pure lie from weyane book but I can see you have been shopping it with a trade mark of “ their Heritage “ . What heritage are you looking at ? Which brotherhood did you find ? The killing history can not be noticed to be Heritage nor does it come a relative to brothers .

          • Mez

            Dear Blink,

            You see no new signal comming from PM AAA (in some ways) for Eritrea.

            Do you see just a flat talking? A little help of your’s is needed; I get disoriented with your take.

            Thanks

        • saay7

          Mr. Kim H:

          Let’s put this in context. Hayat A shared a video of PM Abiye Ahmed addressing diginitaries/invited guests in Mekele and she commented on it. I replied to her comment. Amde shared a video of PM Abiye Ahmed answering questions posed by Tigrayans and he told us never mind the earlier video, this one is THE one to watch. I watched it and shared my comments. In other words, what I say here at this forum is nothing more than a comment.

          Here’s additional context: the Prime Minister is a party apparatchik (rose through the ranks of OPDO) and an executive member of OPDO and its umbrella, EPRDF. So, a lot of what we are discussing here is how much of a distance he will create between the way EPRDF has done things in the past 26 years under two PMs. We are saying that while he is a fresh face, he is still a product of OPDO and EPRDF. And we are looking for clues as to what he will actually do, policy-wise, that are different from the same-o same-o of EPRDF. The same-o same-o of the EPRDF are: have marathon meetings, self-criticize, admit mistakes, announce that you have learned from your mistakes, and promise to do better.

          Now, with that in mind, there were things I was watching for as they relate to Tigray:

          1. A lady asked him about the “thousands” of Tigrayans who are languishing in the prisons of Tigray (presumably imprisoned by the TPLF government.) Do you remember what his answer was? I do: and I found it to be same-o same-o.

          2. He referenced the life of the militia and the people who are living in a heightened sense of readiness across the common border with Eritrea. Did he say anything that would indicate his government will honor its word and abide by international law? Do you remember what his statement was? I do: it is the same-o same-o.

          When I was very young, after the fall fo the Derg, Aman Andom came to Eritrea to address Eritreans. Nobody remembers what he said, but they do remember what language he used when he said them: it was Arabic and Tigrinya. So, language is powerful: it empowers people, it make feel like they belong, when you use their language, you are honoring them. Look at the front row ladies in Jigjiga when he spoke in Somali; listen to the huge applause at everything he said where each paragraph began with “Tigray…..” But at the end of the day, the message was the same and I found it disappointing.

          Why? Because he has a very limited time, a tiny window to put his imprint and on the things that matter to me–human rights and the border–he was muted.

          Finally, please note that on a week when Ethiopia is releasing thousands of political prisoners, Sudan also announced it is releasing all political prisoners and my country, Eritrea, still has underage kids (as young as 9 and 11) still unaccounted for since their arrest on March 5th. Once again, I am not comparing governance in Ethiopia with Eritrea–you guys are making progress. I am comparing Ethiopia with its potential.

          Remember: it is just one man’s opinion.

          saay

          • Amde

            Selam Kebede,

            Ch-ch-ch-chaaaannnnggggeeeeessss…

            There are reports the bosses of METEC (Metal Engineering Corp) and INSA (Information Network Securty Agency), both TPLF stalwarts, have submitted resignation letters.

            Also, reports that government spokesperson / communication Minster Dr. Negeri Lencho is being changed.

            Am I rumormongering?

            Well – call them well Mongered.

            They will be news when we know who takes over these positions.

            Amde

            PS. Why oh why is mongering reserved for just Fish, Rumors and Iron?

          • saay7

            Selam Amde:

            I think the verse before the chorus might be more discriptive:

            I still don’t know what I was waiting for
            And my time was running wild
            A million dead-end streets
            Every time I thought I’d got it made
            It seemed the taste was not so sweet
            So I turned myself to face me
            But I’ve never caught a glimpse
            Of how the others must see the faker
            I’m much too fast to take that test

            Ch-ch-ch-changes….

            (My favorite line from that song is of ripples and impermanence.)

            Saay

          • Amde

            Saay..

            Ouch..

            Well done.

            On va voir – said the blind man.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Sal,

            Your assessment is very sober and impressive, despite it weighs a bit om the negative side. Starting from releasing the faces of opposition political figures, and the same week some of them were released having dinner with them at Jubilee palace and extend an olive branch to them, almost everyday he gives a bit test of a real sounding reform. Today, two most recognizable and powerful generals have resigned their post. A head of the powerful intelligence agency (INSA) who was his former boss and a head of METEC the powerful military industrial complex. This is HUGE and a response of the demand of the protests that was that the military and intelligence services are tightly controlled by certain ethnic group. This huge task to achieve in a week. They are resigned on their own volition or pushed out will be a story we will find out later. Nevertheless, if it weren’t for the change of leadership, these two gentlemen would not have been the once, who would resign. So….I do believe, he deserves for some slack to be cut for him and some applause to encourage him to continue with what he started doing in the coming weeks, months and years.

          • saay7

            Eyobay:

            Who are you and what have you done with Eyob? You saying nice things about what I write will force me to reciprocate and that will just not do. Nature must follow its natural state: “fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, and insects have to do one terrible after another” as Annie Dillard once wrote.

            saay

          • Amde

            Hi Saay,

            The new expression is not “pushed or jumped”

            It is.. “ሽሽ ወይስ አፈገፈ”

          • Mez

            Dear Amde,

            The era of communist ideology infested policy thinking is starting to crack in Addis Ababa.

            Thanks

          • Ismail AA

            Hayak Allah saay7,

            Convergent views (am not saying contradictory) for us outsiders who watch affairs of nations in our neighborhood are useful in expanding our horizon. Listening and reading one-sided opposing or supporting views are like eating the same food everyday that reduce appetite.

            Now, generally speaking there are two views regarding Dr. Abiy after his election. One is that the way he has begun to interact with people is positive and reflect clues of competent public figure. Going to the grassroots and listening to what they say cannot be anything other than sign of good leadership. The other view is that the man has not said anything save reiterating EPRDF old views perhaps in his own way.

            So, the question is what could one expect a man elected to an office by the a coalition do say and do before installing a cabinet that would also be representative of the coalition? For example, can we expect him to tell the audience in Mekele that he will withdraw from Badme before clearing policy in the cabinet and the coalition political leadership?

      • Berhe Y

        Dear saay,

        I know your expectation is too high, but I can’t remember any politician in our region had such conversation with the people.

        All we heard is lecturing people and talk about abstract ideas which mean nothing. And they were always look for someone to blame.

        What he said about the displaced people of Tigray including the numbers and their where abouts is worthy of someone who is not afraid to face the hard truth, just 29 people and all but 11 are freeed. 6 who were sentenced already and 5 cases are being investigated.

        This in itself gives people the confidence to his government and how far he is prepared to go in its transparency. If not for anything else, just for that it’s worth the trip.

        At the end of the day, all people need is hope and believe the rest it’s up to them what to make out of it.

        Berhe

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awatewian,
    Recently Mahmoud Saleh posted an article entitled ህግድፍ የሳጉም፥ መምህረይ የጓድም at Meskerem on the recent YPFDJ event that also aroused a reaction here at Awate by Semere and forumers. I find it pertinent to bring Mahmoud”s reaction to these events here at Awate. I am doing it in a form a letter to Mahmoud. It also contains my reaction to Amanuel Sahle’s “ሕማም ሕዱር ፍሽኩልና” that appeared at Assenna few weeks ago and Mahmoud talked about in his article.
    Thanks

    ትብጻሕ እዛ ደብዳበ ናብ ኩቡር ሓው ማሕሙድ ሳለሕ፡ ምስ ሙሉእ ሰላምታ።
    ማሕሙድ፡ ኣብ መድረኽ ዓወተ ስለዘይረኸብኩኻ፡ እስኪ ኣበይ ሓኪሉ ኢለ መስከረም ግንጽል እንተበልኩስ፡ ኣሰርካ ኣብኣ ረኺበዮ። ንስኻ ካብ መድረኽ ዓወተ እንተጠፋእካ፡ ኣብ መስከረም ትርከብ፣ ኣቦይ ሃይለ (ኣነ ኣይኮንኩን፡ ናይ ብሓቂ ታሪኽ ስለ ዝኾነ ሽሞም ብስመይ ሓቢኤዮ) ገዝኦም እንተዘይተረኽቡ እንዳ-ኣንጥባሉ ኣይስኣኑን ነበሩ። ኣቦይ ሃይለ ባዕሎም እዮም እዛ እንዳ-ኣንጥባሉ ትብል ሽም ንቐላቢቶም ዘውጽኡላ። ነዳቓይ እዮም ነይሮም። ቤተሰቦም ኣብ ዓዲ ኣቐሚጦም ኣብ ካንሾሎና፡ ሓንቲ ንእሽተይ ክፍሊ ተኻርዮም ይነብሩን ይሰርሑ ነበሩ። መግቢ ትምግቦም፡ ቀላቢት ኣብ-ገዝኣ፡ ሰሙን ሰሙን ዝኸፍሉዋ ነይራቶም። ቀላቢቶም፡ ቁሩብ ዝያዳ ገንዘብ ንክትረኽበሉ ኢላ፡ እቲ ጸብሓ ቀጢን፡ ብዓል ሰለስተ ፍረ-ስጋ፡ እቲ ጭልፍኣ ንእሽተይ ማንካ ዳርጋ፡ ነበረ’ሞ፡ ኣቦይ ሃይለ ኣብ መኣዲ፡ እቲ ብታህዋኽ ዝሰንከተቶ ኣጸቢቑ ዘይበኹዐ እንጀራ ጥራይ እንዳተረፈ፣ ኣንቲ ቁሩብ እንዶ ጸብሒ ኣንጥብሉ ይብልዋ ነበሩ። ንሳ ከ’ኣ፡ ‘ወይለ’ከ ኣይትሓፍሩን፡ ካልኦት’ከ እንታይ ክበልዑ’ እንዳበለት፡ ፍርቂ እታ ንእሽተይ ጭልፋኣ ፈይ ተብለሎም እሞ፣ ኣንቲ ክንደይ ትረግሚ፡ ቁሩብ ጥብ ኣብልሉ እንተበልኩስ እዚ ጥራይ፣ ካይተርከሰ ከመይ ጌሩ ናብ ከርሰይ ክወርድ እንዳበሉ ነይሮም ዝቕለቡ። በዚ ምኽንያት እዚ እንዳ-ኣንጥባሉ ኢሎም ቤት መግቦም ዝሰመይዎ። ቀላቢቶም ስዋ ተዳሉ ስለዝነበረት’ውን፡ መውዓሊቶም፡ መሓከሊቶም ንሳ እያ ነይረ።

    ማሕሙድ፡ እንዳ-ኣንጥባሉ ቀይርካ። ምቕያርካ እኳ ደሓን ነይሩ። ቅድሚ ሕጂ ኣነ’ውን ብወገነይ ኣብ ካልኦት ቅልቅል እንተበልካ ጽቡቕ እዩ ኢለካ ነይረ። ግና ኣየብዛሕካዮን’ዶ? ምለሊኽ ሰዋ ነጻ ኢዩ ይመስሊ ኣብኡ። እዛ ብርዒ ናትካ ዘይፈልፈለቶ ሓተታ የብላን! ኣንታ ማሕሙዳይ ንተቓወምቲ ዘይገበርዎ ንኽትጽብጽብ’ሲ፡ ተግባር YPFDJ ተግባር ጽድቂ ጌርካዮ። ከምቲ ገሌና ብእንጽጽሮት ምኽንያት ንYPFDJ በትርና ነትርር፡ ንስኻውን ኣብ ተቓወምቲ ዝዘርጋሕካዮ መህረምቲ ዘትረርካ ይመስለኒ። ኣነ ብዝመስለኒ፡ YPFDJ ንሃገሮም ስለዝተሰለፉ ኣይኮነን’ቲ ሽግር፣ ንሃገሮም ናይ ብሓቂ ከገልግሉ ዝቃወሞም ሰብ ዘሎ ኣይመስለንን። ሰብ ዝቃወሞም ዘሎ፡ ናይቲ እዝኑ ዝሓተመ፡ ዓይኒ የብለይ እዝኒ የብለይ፡ ዝበለ ስርዓት መሳርሒ ስለ ዝኾኑ እዮም። ኣብ ትሕቲ ቁጽጽሩ ንዘለዉ መናእሰያት ነጻነትን፡ ግፍሒ-ኣተሓሳስባን፡ ዕብየትን ንኽህልዎም ዘይጸዓረ ስርዓት፡ ን ኣብ ወጻኢ ከምዚ ኢሎም ካልኣይ ሃገሮም ዝዕበዮም መናእሰያይ ኮነ ዓበይቲ ብስም YPFDJ፡ ብዝገብሮ ዘሎ (እቲ ስርዓት) ኣጉል ምክንኻን እዩ’ቲ ተቓውሞ። እዚ ስርዓት እዚ ከምዚ ዝበለ ክንክንን ኣቃልቦን ኣብ ልዕሊ YPFDJ ብምግባር፡ ነቲ ኣብ ውሽጢ ሃገር ኣብ ትሕቲኡ ዘሎ መንእሰይ ዝዝርግሖን ዘስምዖን ዘሎ መልእኽቲ፡ “ኪዱ ተሰደዱ ከምኡ ጌርኩም ተማሂርኩም YPFDJ ኰንኩም ምጹና ደቅኹም ልኣኹልና” ዝብል እዩ። መናእሰያት ኤርትራ ናይ ብሓቂ ንሃገሮም ክጠቕሙን ክዕንብቡን እንተዝሓስብ ነቶም ኣብቲ ትሕቲ ቁጽጽሩ ዘለዉ፡ ሙሉእ ዲሞክራስያዊ ነጻነት ሂቡ እንተዘምህሮም ኣይምሓሸን’ዶ? ብዘይ ፍርዲ እናኣሰረ፡ ትርጉም ፍትሒ ኣብ ወረቐት ጥራይ ምዃኑ ብተግባር እንዳምሃረ፡ ን’ኣብ ወጻኢ ፍትሒ ኣብ ዘለወን ሃገራት ብምሉእ ነጻነት ንዝዓበዩ መንእሰያት ከም ናይ ሃገራዊነት ኣርኣያ ጌይሩ ምቕራቡ፡ ነቶም ዓዲ ዘለዉ ንዑ ኪዱ ተሰደዱ ማለት ጥራይ እዩ። እዚ ክብል ከለኹ፡ ንስኻ ትስሕቶ ኢኻ ማለተይ ዘይኮንኩስ፡ እቲ ኣብ ልዕሊ YPFDJ ዘሎ ተቓውሞ መለዓዓሊኡ ንምግላጽ ጥራይ ኢየ። ማህረምቲ ኣይተትርር። እንተ’ጋቢዞምኻ ክ’ኣ ምድርጓሕ ኣይትሕመቕ። ባህላዊ ምስላና፡ “ንለባም ደርጓሓሉ እንተቋመቶ፡ ንዓሽን ኣምተሉ ዘይ ኩሉ ጊዜ ዝስሕቶ” ክኸውን ነይርዎ።

    ጽሑፍካ ብዙሕ ኣርእስቲ ዝሓዘለ ስለ ዝኾነ ንኹሉ ክትንክፎ ኣይከኣልኩን። ሓንቲ ኣብ መጨረሽታ ሓተታኻ ንጽሑፋት ኣማኑኤል ሳህለ ኣመልኪትካ ዘስፈርካዮን፡ መብዛሕቲኡ ዝሰማምዓሉን ግና ከይጠቐስኩ ክሓልፍ ኣይደልን። ኣብ ቀረባ ጊዜ ኣማኑኤል ሳህለ ዘውጽኦ ጽሑፋቱ ብሕልፊ’ኳ ኣብታ “ሕማም ሕዱር ፍሽኩልና” እትብል ጽሑፉ፡ ከምቲ ንስኻ ዝበልካዮ ንኤርትራውያን ዝደቁስ እምበር ዝሃንጽ ኮይኑ ስለዘይረኸብኩዎ ብወገነይ መልሲ ንምሃብ ጽሑፍ ጀሚረ ብጊዜ ምስኣን ምኽንያት ክጠራንፎን ክውድኦን ኣይከኣልኩን። ካብቲ ዝጀመርኩዎ ጽሑፍ ሓሳባተይ እምበኣር እንሆ። ከምቲ ኣምሓራ ዝብልዎ “የወደቀ ዛፍ ምሳር ይበዛበታል”፡ ዝወደቕና መሲልዎ ምሳር ዘብዝሐ ይመስል። ኣማኑኤል ኣብ ቀረባ ጊዜ ዝጽሕፎ ዘሎ፡ ሓሳቡ ኣበይ ክበጽሖ ከምዝደለ ዘደንጹን ዘደናግርን እዩ። ሕጂ’ውን ካልአይቲ ኣምሓርኛ ምሳለ ክጠቕሰልካ። ጽሑፍ ኣማኑኤል “በPFDJ እንቅርት ላይ ‘ናይ ብሓቂ’ ጆሮ ደግፍ tetanizing” ኮይኑ ተሰሚዑኒ። “ኣንታ ኣነ ሕማቕ፡ ኣንታ ኣነ ጀልጋፍ፡ ኣንታ ኣነ ፈሽኳል፡ ኣንታ ኣነ ጥልቁይ፡ ኣንታ ኣነ ተገዛኢ እምበር ማዕረ-ሰብ ክኸውን ዘይክእል ሰብ ኢየ” እንዳበልና ነፍሲወከፍና ንባዕልና ምውቃስ ሰብኣዊ መሰልና ይመስለኒ። ከምኡ እንዳበልና መንፈስናን ስጋናን ከም ዛር ሰሪሩኒ-ዝበለ-ሰብ ብኩርማጅ ክንቀጽዕ መሰልና እዩ። ካብኡ ሓሊፉ ግን፡ ንምሉእ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ፡ ነዚ ከም ቅናት ኣደይ ማርያም (rainbow) ሕብራዊ፡ ብብሔር፡ በተሓሳስባ፡ ብባህሊ፡ ብታሪኽ ደሚቕን ብዙሕን፡ ሃብታምን ቅኑዑን ህዝቢ ኣብ ሓደ ዝመረጽካዮ ዘንቢል ኣእቲኻ ዓጺኻ ምቕራብ ካብቲ PFDJ ዝብልዎን ዘይንሰማማዓሉን ሓደ-ሕዝቢ-ሓደ-ልቢ ዝብል ኣጉል ጭርሖ ፈሊኻ ዘይርአ ኮይኑ ተሰሚዑኒ። ካብኡ ሓሊፉ’ውን ምስቲ ጊጉይ ንሕናን ዕላማናን ዝብል ናይ ቀደም ሓቛፊ ዘይኮነ ሓሳባት ተፈልኡ ክርአ ዝኽእል’ውን ኣይመስለንን።
    ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ተገዛኢ ኣይኮነን፣ ግና በብግዜኡ ሓይልን መሳርያን ድጋፍን ረኺቦም፡ ኣብ ጊዜ ጽጋቡ ኮነ ኣብ ጥምየቱ፡ ቀረጽን ፈሰስን ክእክቡ ጠመንጂኦም እናዋጣወጡ ዘበሳብስዎ ብዝነበሩ፡ ሓንሳእ ኣሕዋትካ ሓንሳእ ገዛእትኻ ብሃልቲ፡ ግዳይ ኮይኑ ንነዊሕ እዋን ዝተሳቐየ ህዝቢ እዩ። ነዚ ከይጠቐስካ ዘሊልካ ሓሊፍካ፡ ኤርትራውያን ናይ ቱርኪ’ዶ ናይ ጥልያን ለመንቲ-ተገዛእቲ ናይ ፈጠራ ትንታነ ምቕራብ፡ ሓቅነት ዝጎደሎ ጥራይ ዘይኮነስ ጎዳኢ’ውን ይመስለኒ። እዚ ሓበሻ ንሓበሻ ምግዛእ፡ እቲ ህዝቢ ነንሕድሕዱ ዝዋግኦ ዝነበሮ ሓቢሩ ዘሕለፎ ቃልስን ቃንዛን እዩ ኢልካውን ሸፊንካ ክሕለፍ ዝኽእል ታሪኽ ክኸውን ይኽእል። ከምኡ እንተኾይኑ እሞ፡ ነጺልካ ነቲ ደሓር ኤርትራዊ ዝኾነ፡ ተምበርኻኺ፡ ተገዛኢ፡ ፈሽኳል ጌርካ ንምንታይ ምቕራብ ተደልኡ? ኤርትራዊ ሕማም ተገዛእነት (colonized mind) የብሉን፣ ናይ ገዛእነት ሕማም (colonizing mind) ናይ ዝነበሮም እሕዋት ተጠቃዒ ወይ ግዳይ ግና ነይሩ። ኣብዚ ሕጂ ዘለናዮ ጊዜ እውን እንተኾነ፡ እቲ ሃገርና ዘመሓድር ዘሎ ጉጅለ ኣመሓዳድራ ዜጋታቱ ገዛእነት ሕማም (colonizing mind) ተኸቲሉ ዝኸይድ እንተተባህለ ጌጋ ኣይኮነን። እዚ ግና ልክዕ ከምቶም ትማሊ ኣብ ቀረባ፡ ሎሚ ብማዕዶ ኮይኖም ናይ ገዛእነት ሕማሞም (colonizing mind) ከጥፍእዎ ዘይከኣሉ ወይ በብግዚኡ ዝግንፍሎም ተፈልዩ ክርአ ኣይግብኦን።
    ኣማኑኤል ሳህለ “ሕማም ሕዱር ፍሽኩልና” ኣብ ዝብል ጽሑፉ፡ ኤርትራዊ ቀጻሊ ተገዛኢ ኣምሲሉ ንኸቕርብ ዘይሃቀኖ የለን። ናይ ቱርኪ ንባጽዕ ናይ ነዊሕ ጊዜ ም’ሓዝን ንሕልፍ ሕልፍ ኢልካ ገምገም ባሕሪ ምቁጽጻርን ንከበሳ ምድያብን ነዛ ትማኒ ኣብ ሓደ ተጠርኒፋ ብጣልያን ኤርትራ ዝተሰየመት ሃገርና ብምሉኡ ቀጻኒ ተገዛኢት ጌይሩ ዘቕረቦ ታሪኽ መሰረቱ ዝሰሓተ ኮይነ፡ ኮነ ኢሉ ንሓሳባቱ ንምድጋፍ ዘቕረቦ እዩ። ካብኡ ሓሊፉ’ውን ከም ኣቦታት ኣበሓጎታት እንዳበለ ዝጠቐሶ ስዉር ዝኾነን ኣብ ትሕቲ ባዕዲ ምሕዳር ትውልዳዊ ኣምሲልካ ምቕራብ ፍጹም ጌጋ እዩ። ኣማኑኤል ናቱ DNA ኣብ ምሳለ ኣቕሪቡ ዝሃቦ መግለጺን ፈጠራን ካብ ከምኡ ዝኣመሰለ ምሁር (intellectual) ክወጽእ ዘይነበሮ ሓሳባት ኮይኑ ይርኣየኒ። ናይ ኤርትራውያን DNA ፍሉይ DNA እዩ ዝበለ ብወገነይ ኣይርኣኹ ኣይሰማዕኩ። ኣብዚ ኣማኑኤል ዘልዓሎ ሓሶት ህቦብላ፡ ‘ናተይ DNA ፍሉይ’ዩ’ ዝበለት ሓንቲ ጸጸር የላን። “ሕማም ሕዱር ፍሽኩልና” ጽሑፍ ናይ ኣማኑኤል ናብ ጽሑፍ ጸለመ ዘድሃበ እዩ። ሽም ዝረኸበ ክጋገ ከሎ ኣየርእኻ! ጌይረ ጥራይ ክወስዶ። እዚ ክብል ከለኹ ግና ምስ ኣማኑኤል ምግጣም ከም ምስ ሓወልቲ ምብኣስ ኮይኑ እናተሰምዓኒ’ዩ። ኣማኑኤል ሙሉእ ሓውልቲ እምበር ነቓዕ ሓወልቲ ኮይኑ ከይተርፍ ዘሎኒ ትምኒት እንዳገለጽኩ፡ ማሕሙዳይ፡ ካብ እንዳ-ኣንጥባሉና* ከይትጠፍእ ከዘኻኽረካ እፈቱ።
    Haile S.

    *ዓወተ.ኮም እቲ ዝበለጸ ጽራይ ስዋን ጽራይ ፍልጠትን ዝርከበሉ ነበርሲቲ ከም ምዃኑ እኣምን።

    • iSem

      Dear Haile S:
      Thank you for alerting the forum about MS’s article at Meskerem.net. Many of us do not visit it
      I have not read A.Sahel’s article that so motivate Wedi Saleh to write that article. But to his credit,he took the pain to at least delineate the opposition, not all oppostion are created equal. Thanks to SGJ and others for educating him here when he made blanket statement against the opposition
      Some points about Wedi Saleh’s article
      1. He called some of the activists who wrote or commented praising the peaceful power transfer in Ethiopia as canonizing Ethiopia. He wrong. peaceful transfer of power in Ethiopia is a historic moment,albeit an embryonic one
      2. He praised the gathering of the kidnapped YPFDJ,he was charmed by their invocation of EPLF. I understand and Wedi Saleh should, he had part to build EPLF that helped defeat our tormentors But he willfully fell for it, PFDJ is not what he had in mid when he labored for EPLF, Those ideals that he learned are long forgotten, not even traces of their existence is evident, except in the deepest recesses of his mind. The tone is remiscient of Boxer in animal farm, except that MS is far away from Eritrea to face the fate of Box: thanks to the nation of Langley .
      The gathering of YPFD was not about Eritrea, it was about PFDJ, cementing the entire heroic action of our people on the leadership of IA, Yemane G intimated that in previous conferences. It paid homage to EPLF not Eritrean struggle and that gave fuel,albeit polluting fuel to Wedi Saleh to pen that article

    • Beyan

      Selamat Haile S. & iSem,

      I am stunned beyond words in how propaganda optics can elude Veteran tegadalay like Mahmoud Saleh, whom I thought could easily see through the photo ops. Sure, YPFDJ under the machination of Higdef are organized, let us give them that, but so were the Nazis. I wouldn’t dwell on the latter as we all know the devastating impact it had in human history where it put 5 million people in an oven. At ton of things that can be said using our brother Mahmoud Saleh’s article, but I will resort to what this young man, Amanuel Sium has produced. I was waiting to share this clip until weekend, and reading your inputs (iSem & Haile S.) gives me a chance to continue the conversation. Even the choice of Mihretab Michael’s song fits perfectly with the narrative. Talk about maturity of perspective:

      https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#sent/162b64a23bc24df1?projector=1

      • Haile S.

        Selam Beyan,
        Could you check the link? I don’t think it is the right one.
        Images can be inflammatory and we have ample evidence of that. It was better if we were saved from seeing the flag put as a rag, but a picture doesn’t always show the whole picture and it is on the whole picture, on what is happening in our country we need to concentrate. Blowing our flag high over our head certainly feels good, but there are many who are not in the mood to do it because of the policies of our country’s leadership who concentrate on really peripheral things instead of targeting the hearts of all its citizens and the heart of the nation.

        • Beyan

          Thank you Haile S. Something else was embedded along with the link I shared. I am not sure what happened there. I tested the link I re-shared just now. It is the right one. I appreciate you letting me know of the link mishap here.

          BN

    • blink

      Dear Haile.s
      Oops

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi All,
    PMAA has just addressed the people of Tigray in Tigrigna. His Tigrigna is impressive. He was so respectful to the people and the people to him likewise.
    He said at least two things that captured my attention: We will work hard and everything that needs to be to solve the problem with your relatives in Eritrea and normalize the situation (the longest applause); Ethiopia without Tigray or Tigray without Ethiopia are like an automobile without engine.
    I am not sure if a questionable character can grow up to a good leader but at least for now this man is firing up Ethiopians everywhere. He is flagging the problem between the two countries up and to the front. But, this has to be said: such rhetoric age fast and perish quickly. Only practical actions and solutions stay long enough.
    https://www.facebook.com/guraza.net/videos/2142166622467710/

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hayat,

      It is impressive speech. Struggles always start with rhetorics. And once you rally the public with rhetorics, it is easy to implement them. The tour of the PM to all the kilils is very productive to the unity of the country. All in all Ethiopia is moving and as Eritrean I envy the progress they are making. Hopefully, the PM will change the status que on the relation of Ethiopia and Eritrea. We wish the PM every possible success.

      Regard

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Emma,
        Your hopefulness is contagious. On a different note, there was an interesting conversation happening recently among 5 people. I was present. I will rgive the summary (slightly improvised for better presentation)
        1st person:
        President Isayas is like a prophet. He predicted the death of Woyane long ago. And it is unfolding before our eyes exactly the way he foresaw it.Amazing!
        2nd person:
        First of all, if he was a prophet he has been envisaging Eritrea to climb higher and shift gears every year. Did we get any closer to that prediction after so many years?
        1st person:
        No, i was talking about what he said on Woyane and Ethiopia…
        2nd person:
        On Woyane, too, he has been telling us they are at 5:59 long ago. 10 years after, that 1 second is not striking. What kind of 1 second out-lives a whole decade?
        1st person,
        Nonetheless, though it came late, it is happening now, is it not?
        2nd person:
        It is not happening now or anytime. Isayas has been saying many things that mean different things at different situations. One time, he says, we have a problem with Ethiopia; and another time says: We don’t have a problem with Ethiopia… then it is possible one of them will happen.
        1st person,
        No, no nonono…the Woyane are misinforming you…
        2nd person..
        I am recalling what Isayas has been telling us all the way openly from a script on TV… you are not telling us the Woyane were writing his scripts all along, are you?
        ……
        and so continued the conversation…

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hayat,

          The problem in not with Issayas. He was doing all this mischievous lies throughout his life. The problem is with the “Nisu Nihna, Nihna Nisu” Eritrean crowds who believe on everything he says. So this kind of conversations will go continuously with in the Eritrean people until the despot breath his last breath.

          Second, with the political and economic progress in Ethiopia, everything he says about the Ethiopian politics, will be meaningless and irrelevant to the dynamics that is going in Ethiopia. EPRDF is evolving, and with that the evolution of the Ethiopian body politics.

          Regards

          • FishMilk

            Hi Amanuel Hidrat. Nobody really knows what lies ahead for the EPRDF, but PMAA’s surprising rise to power, certainly offers more hope than before, that the downward trajectory that Ethiopia was on, can indeed be altered in a positive manner. PMAA’s longer term tasks are certainly tougher, with the need to discuss electoral reform, the loosening of a highly restrictive media environment and modifications to the federal system, and to offer a more inclusive political settlement. Let us wish him luck! Small fish are generally healthier to eat as they have lower mercury levels than big fish.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            selam Fishmilk,

            What exactly are you looking reform on the Federal government by EPRDF ? I agree on the need of more opening in the public sphere and allowing more space to the opposition parties.

            Regards

    • FishMilk

      Hi Hayat Adem. I read that the TPL actually did not want Abiy to be chosen and were instead pushing for Demeke or Shiferaw. Have you heard the same? Man it’s Friday the 13th and I’m afraid to go to the market to buy fish. I guess an old can of sardines under my bed will do.

      • Hayat Adem

        Hi Fish and Milk,
        I haven’t gotten any of what you said but since it is Friday the 13th, why don’t I give you this comedy for entertainment https://www.facebook.com/Dr.peter.belayneh/videos/10155452016860658/

        • FishMilk

          Thanks Hayat Adem. I need all the comedy that I can get. I still believe in superstitions even though I know I should not. For PMAA, I believe his pressing immediate challenge is to find a way to introduce reforming moves to placate opponents and take Ethiopia forward, without exacerbating the divisions now apparent within the EPRDF. He might be wise to try to initially engineer a softening of the more draconian elements of the emergency decree instead of quickly revoking it. More drastic action might run a risk of creating resistance from the TPLF controlled security apparatus and risk a too dangerous further fracturing of government cohesion. As PMAA”s cabinet appointments will be watched very carefully, let us hope that he selects reformist individuals from each party, perhaps with some non-EPRDF selections, as his predecessor had done. Let us hope that PMAA eats a lot of Ethiopian Nile Perch!

      • Paulos

        Selam FishMilk,

        Here is a fancy name you probably have heard of: “Triskaidekaphobia.” Yea, you guessed it right. It is the fear of the number 13. And if it is any consolation, it is said that businesses particularly in the Northern Hemsphere lose close to 800 million dollars every year simply because people refuse to go out to buy fish and milk among other things on Friday the 13th. You are not alone.

        And of course, lacking a day supply of protein for your body doesn’t hurt for protein is the last resort your body relies on in a lengthy starvation. Sugar as in glucose, then stored glucose as in glycogen, then fats as in fatty acids and ultimately amino acids as in protein.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          “ Sugar as in glucose, then stored glucose as in glycogen, then fats as in fatty acids and ultimately amino acids as in protein.“ Is this a class in biochemistry for those who haven’t had it? It pains me when our country could not use our expertise.

          Regard

          • Paulos

            Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

            Not really. These are basics as in high school stuff. I am sure everyone had them in classes, it’s just they probably forgot it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            No buddy in high school. I learned it in college. I don’t think so. And even in college, only those who goes in life sciences.

          • Paulos

            Maybe in those days, it was Freshman thing then. Didn’t know.

        • FishMilk

          Hi Paulos and thanks for the 13 phobia info. I am actually a bit overweight at the moment, so even a lengthy period of starvation might do me a bit of good, though it would drive my cholesterol up (hypercholesterolemia) in the short term, but would stabilize later and any atherosclerosis would be put at bay. Pompano fish tastes great but does not grow hair but Bimoprost will and has no side effects.

    • saay7

      Selam Hayat:

      You misheard one piece. It would have been really weird if he had, addressing Tigrayans, said “your relatives” when referring to Eritreans. He actually said “our brothers”.

      Can’t tell if that was the longest applause because they were applauding everything 🙂 Even a populist can’t be everything to everybody and here when he is referring to:

      * Meles Zenawi as being one of the great products of Tigray;
      * the TPLF veterans of war and as martyrs

      The Teodros wing of Ethiopia can’t be very happy about this 🙂

      Saay

      • Hayat Adem

        Thanks Saay,
        Yes it would…

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Saay7
        I see his narrations r not constant (except ethiopiawenet) from his speech in ambo and jijiga .
        Ethiopia is tigrai and vise versa is nonsense of all.
        What else i can’t be very happy about his speech? Need help translation.

      • Berhe Y

        Dear Saay,

        May be it’s too early to see where things are heading..but I remember how much time we spend discussing the article of the French guy to what future Ethiopia was heading, where you seemed in favor of the write (if I understood you correctly).

        Where do you think the PMAA is heading with regards to that article and options available or the opportunities he has created.

        Honestly, I don’t think the very few elite would have much power if the public support for the PM is turned out as positive as it seems so far.

        So far, the parliament, Ogden region, Oromo region, Opposition and now Tigray. Next will be the Amhara region, and an other smaller region that doesn’t seem to have much issue.

        I can say, I think he is doing quite a remarkable job addressing head on the major challenges and fears the political elite had and the opportunities he is creating.

        Looking at is, it shows that people were ready change and it doesn’t matter who actually the leader is, as long as they are heard (or appears to be heard) and they have a stake, the rest I think it’s upto the people to do what ever that they are capable of.

        Berhe

        • saay7

          Berhe:

          What do you mean by “that French guy”😂 You mean Rene Lafort: the guy who called it? Guess what: he has a new article on the way forward and once again (you can find it in OpenDemocracy dot net) and he is spot on. But don’t tell Eyob: he doesn’t like him.

          Saay

          • Berhe Y

            Thank you Saay. That’s who I was thinking. I will look it up the article.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            I just read the one he wrote it in Feb of this year after the resignation of PMHD. I will reread it again. But the guy is ready to issue death certificate of the Ethiopian government system. He is deadly wrong. If you believe on his death certificate he is going to issue, then I can bet with you, it won’t happen.

            Regard

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam aman h
            Tplf is wounded now and probably they will die soon .
            Even if they don’t die soon will not make any difference because they can change anything new that they couldn’t change when they have power of stealing ethiopians property for the last 27 years . at least abiy will be able to stop some of the lootings now .
            In short tplf is miserable now and as they were miserable then.

          • saay7

            Emma:

            I don’t know if you are reacting to what Rene Lefort wrote or to the overreaction of Ethiopian awatistas to his original piece . In the article you are referencing (written in February after the resignation of PMHD), this is what he said:

            How to draw back from the precipice

            Drawing back from the “precipice” requires an urgent Copernican revolution. It can be built on four cornerstones.

            – Apart from a few very marginal elements, no one fundamentally questions the Constitution. It can therefore provide the frame of reference for any change.

            – None of the members of the ruling coalition envisages putting an end to it, however formal and forced its perpetuation may be. They all know that the coalition’s official collapse could devour them all. At least in the short term, it is hard to find any sign of any alternative coalition that could form, let alone govern. If the EPRDF broke up, the probability that Ethiopia would become a “failed state” is very high. However weakened it is, there would still be one hand on the helm.

            – At no point, so far, has the spearhead of protest in Oromya, the Queerroo (youth), called for armed struggle. This is a major change: in the history of Ethiopia, power has always come through the barrel of a gun. However, there is a growing radical fringe which believes that taking up arms will be sufficient to put an end to the regime.

            – Finally, even the opposition, which was calling for the immediate formation of a transitional government of national unity, has more or less abandoned this demand. It was unrealistic. The EPRDF has just rejected it. If it had agreed, its divisions and the scattered nature of the opposition would have bogged down the formation of such a government in interminable bargaining and one-upmanship and, once in place, would have condemned it to impotence.

            However, the longer the power vacuum continues, the closer the “precipice” approaches. Regardless of its divisions, the EPRDF must at all costs make the internal compromises needed to appoint a credible prime minister and government, and then actually support them so that they can take back the helm. Of course, the appointment of Lemma Megersa, although he cannot legally occupy this position, would satisfy Oromo protesters. However, it would require such major concessions in the light of what we know about the balances of power, that another Oromo or Amhara figure, or even a southerner, would seem more feasible, a remake of the compromise reached for Meles Zenawi’s successor.

            What is objectionable about any of this? And, indeed, isn’t that what ended up happening?

            saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Berhe,

          The PMAA is a digital PMMZ. He will drive the Ethiopian political machine in the right direction, at least his speeches gives all the signals of hope, and the public are ready to ride him- my reading at this point.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            I don’t claim to have heard MZ speech, but I think there is comparison.

            MZ may be responsible for a lot of great things, but openness and democracy was not.

            I mean he was responsible for resetting the clock on the progress made after the election of 2005. He took extereme measure to resolve a small incovienvce (losing seats) and shut down all possible path.

            To top of that he set the stage for anti terror this or that and in sense closed all possible means of decent.

            If PMAA follows Melles path, at least in democratic front, then they are headed for a dead end.

            But I don’t think that will be the case, he is asserting himself for success and all odds seem to play in his favour.

            The best thing for TPLF is to enjoy the show from a distance and let the chips fall where they may be.

            Berhe

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam berhe
            Did u hear them when the whole house asking isias(eritrea) for forgiveness.
            Is that a sign of enjoyment or stress?

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Berhe,

            Listen to some speeches of PMMZ and then compare them. But the truth of the matter is EPRDF will still continue on his vision (a) Ethiopia will continue as Federal state that was designed under his leadrship. The “nations and nationalities” have tasted the “autonomy power” and the value of Federalism, and will not see back to the old system (b) EPRDF (front-party) that was formed under his leadership is not only a ruling party but will continue as formidable party for a long foreseeable future in the Ethiopian body politics (c) The theory and practice of Economic vision of PMMZ will continue b/c Ethiopians have seen results and progress on the ground (no need to mention them) (d) The new modern Ethiopian military power created under PMMZ as instrument for stabilizing the region will continue under the new PM (e) They will continue the policy of PMMZ to expand the role of Ethiopia in the AU’s agenda for peace and security of the continent. In short the new PM will continue the blue print of EPRDF party, that MZ had lay down it before his death.

            Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Emma,

            I was not questioning all the achievements (specially economic development) of PMMZ that you mentioned.

            In all the achievements you listed, you did not mention democracy, freedom of expression, political pluralism, etc..which is what I was comparing the two.

            The invasion of Somalia and the humanitarian crisis he created for no good reason but he wanted to cash in on the war on terror band wagon is unspeakable.

            In any case, I think, PMMZ has done what he has, and let PMAA do what he can and he should. There is no reason to keep repeating, Melles Vision hundreds times…let history be fair to him and reward him what he deservers. At the end of the day he is human like the rest of us, capable of great things but at the same time has his own weakness.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Berhe,

            The Infra-structures for democracy and good governance are enshrined in their constitution. The struggle for its implementation is an up hill journey that continue from generation to generation. Democracy can not be flourished by single leader in in decade or two. Democracy is by its nature is an incremental progress dictated by the maturity of the public sphere where its seeds can germinate. Even the countries with long history of democracy like US women were not able to vote until 1920 and the blacks until 1965. So do not expect Ethiopians to exercise democracy without barriers (whatever those barriers are) and without irregularities. Imagine in the 2005 election was, the opposition declined to take the 200 seats they won because of irregularities in the rural areas and incites mobs in Addis to loot the cities. EPRDF will change the election laws to give space for the oppositions. The opposition can win some seats but not the majority to win the premiership. They will still complain of irregularities. This time, I hope they will take whatever seats they won. That is the nature of exercising democracy. It is always incremental wins, no matter how big or small that incremental wins. The opposition has to learn this bitter facts. The most important is the infrastructures and the process should be there.

            Regards

        • Amde

          Selam Berhe,

          He is doing fine. Basically he is introducing himself, and showing he will go anywhere. We are in a honeymoon period, he is pouring the charm, and we are willing to be seduced..

          Apparently the concerns people raised in Mekelle got down to asking about the town water supply and metered taxi policies. Not his responsibility obviously but he must have made a connection.

          As a political action though, I thought it was pitch perfect for the TPLF stalwarts. If he can get them to move from enraged to grudging acceptance, that would be good enough.

          People in Bahr Dar are speculating what car part they will be designated with when he makes it there… since ቄሮ were proclaimed engineers and Tigray was called the engine. ጎማ? ጋቢና?

          All the people I have talked to in Ethio like him, but are sceptical as to what changes if any he can bring about. That is great for him personally. He still has the aura of changemaker, so if change does not come it will be blamed on the conservative forces. How long that window will be is anyone’s guess.

          Amde

          • blink

            Dear Amde
            Do you tthink the Ethiopians are easily convinced by his charm ? I mean it is always good to have a cool headed person to say nice things than a bad guy saying good things . I am afraid the guy may be just playing the wind while he do the opposite due to the difficulty level at his hand. Let’s hope the man do the right things for the Ethiopians because if he didn’t, we all know the Qero will not be easygoing.

            I think he was right to tell Ethiopians that the people of Tigray are not eating with Golden plates , I think it would have been far better if he could say about the poverty in Amharic for all Ethiopians to know the reality in Tigray. I am sure the martyrs thing will not sit well with a considerable amount of Ethiopians but still ok.

          • Amde

            Selam blink,

            Well, skeptical is good.

            But prisoners are being released, even the ones re-arrested by the SOE for no good reason. Roads that have been closed a while are opened. There are reports the tens of thousands that fled from Moyale into Sudan are back in their of homes. A month ago activists were trying out cutting water and electricity lines to Addis – that is history now.

            There is a leader who is not afraid to use the word Ethiopia. Whatever you can say, his rhetoric is consistently forward looking (as opposes to past grudges), and is consistently about Ethiopians in aggregate.

            The classic way is to think of him as a new fresh EPRDF face. That is a reasonable explanation. ያስኬዳል።

            Another way is to see him as a politician establishing his own brand and thus some kind of constituency. In the very highly hypothetical case of him running as a public figure independent of EPRDF, I think many people can imagine voting for/supporting him the person.

            In fact ህዝበኛው Dr. Abiy is relentlessly practicing the populism he was bitterly attacked for just a couple of weeks ago. That sucks if you are an EPRDF bigwig, but oh well. If they are smart they should realize he gave second wind to an otherwise despised organization.

            Believe me, people do not have too high expectations. It is a honeymoon and he is using it well, and the public is enjoying it.

            Amde

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amde,

            Actually I also listened to the questions and comments of the people as well so that I understand the context of his response. It shows the maturity and the wealth of knowledge the average people have. His message is received really well and I think, best days are ahead.

            May be some parts of the car are more important than others, but at the end of the day, you need the whole part to make functional and useful. So if Bahir gets ጎማ? ጋቢና? I say it is still worth it and does not mean any lesser value.

            Berhe

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            አንተ..ነፍስህ አይርማርም… እንደ እብድ ብቻዬን አሳከኝ.. 🙂

            I asked a very stingy professor with grades Eritrean to grade his Tigrigna, he gave him a solid 7. Next week the turn is for Addis youth. Now, I must ask you, which part of the car they will be designated with. Be generous… 🙂

          • Amde

            Lij Eyob,

            Are you trying to get me in trouble with our hosts? Asmarans carry the swagger game, so for sure they will claim any and all bling-bling.

            ሸገሮች ምስኪኖች.. Probably will out-talk him on the “Peace” talk.

            “ሰላም ነው ዶክተር? አቦ ይመችህ!!”

            They will be cool if they can be called የመኪናው DJ.

            Speaking of which, some of the old timers here might like this…

            https://youtu.be/B5eMxFWBh7c

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Amde Hawey,
            Thanks for that gem. They even had “meloti” bottle!

          • Amde

            Hi Abrehet,

            My pleasure.

            I was in awe of the women dancers.. those were tight skirts but they had better moves than the guys.

          • Eyob Medhane

            Amde,

            Since the prime minister speaks in local languages to places he went so far, for his meeting with Addis youth tomorrow, I have his leaked speach written in Addis Abebans language. Here it is.

            “ኸረ ፒፓዉ ከመቼዉ ከች ብሎ ተሰየመ ኸረ የመጬ ነዉ የደላችሁኝ ልደትዬን…ወደገደለዉ ስንገባ፡ዉድ ያዲስ ያንግስተሮች ከዚህ በኋላ ፎን ምናምን መንጩ አድርጋችሁ ስትከንፉ የመንም ሰገጤ ዛፓ እንዳይከተላችሁ በየጉራንጉሩ የሚጠቅስ ካሜራ ዱቅ እናደርግላችኋለን።ወንዶቹ ሱሪኣችሁን የሌለ ዝቅ አድርጋችሁ መልበስ እንድትችሉ በቀበቶ ገበያ ላይ ግብዳ ታክስ ዱብ እናደርግበታለን…ሱሪ ዝቅ ካለ አይቀር ደግሞ ብጭቅጭቃቸዉ የወጡ የወንድ ፓንቶችን ከፍተኛ ቁጥር ያላቸዉን ቁራሊዮዎችን በማሰማራት ከየጉራንጉሩ በገፍ ከች እናስደርግላችኋለን…ለቺኮቹ ደግሞ ሂዉማን ሄይር ከቻይና ሳይሆን ኢንተርናሽናል ስታንዳርዱን የጠበቀ ዕብድ የሚያክል ፋብሪካ እዚሁ አአ ላይ እንተክልላችኋለን…በርጫና ሺሻ ቤቶችን ደግሞ ከማሳደድ በማህበር ተደራጅታችሁ እንድትሆርኩበትና ከቺስታነት መንጭቃችሁ እንድትሸበለሉበት በየ100 ሜትሩ እንበረግድላችኋለን።ዉድ የአአ ልጆች አቦ ስወዳችሁ እኮ ፎንቃ እኮ ናችሁ ሚኬልን…አለሁላችሁ ምንም አትጨናነቁ ስላችሁ?!ሌላ ደግሞ ምን ነበር የቀረዉ?ኦ ማይ ጋሽ እም…ኦ…አዎ አዎ ተከሰተልኝ…እናንተ እኮ የሸገር ልጆች ከስኳር ነፃ ኮካ እኮ ናችሁ…ለሀገራችሁ ኢትዮጵያ ያላችሁ ፎንቃ እኮ የሮምዮንና የጁሌትን ያስንቃል እኮ…የእዉነት የስራ ቋንቋችን የሆነዉን አምሃሪክን እኮ እንደ ሰገጤ የክ.ሀገር ልጆች አፋችሁን ሞልታችሁ እኮ አታወሩም…በተለይ ምላሳችሁን እየወጣችሁ በአማርኛ ለመናገር ስትሞክሩእ ን ዴ ት አ ባ ታ ች ሁ እንደምትፀዱኝ እኮ።በናንተ አያያዝ እኮ አሁን ያለዉ የሰገጤ አማርኛ ሙሉ በሙሉ በኢንግሊሽ ተቀይሮ እንደ ዳይኖሰር ከምድረ ገፅ መጥፋቱ አይቀርም…ተክልዬን ስላችሁ!”ቀስ በቀስ…”ይሉ የለ ጁቬዎች ሙድ ሲይዙ:ማንንም አትስሙ እሺ!እንደናንተ ግን ሎካል ላንጉኤጆችን በኢንተርናሽናል ላንጉኤጅ ለመተካት ተፍ ተፍ የሚል አለ?ይመቻችሁ ያገሬ ልጆች ማነዉ ያራዳ ልጆች
            (ከአባይ ወንዝ የሚረዝም ጭብጨባ)

            🙂 🙂 🙂

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam eyob
            The other day u told me that u don’t know me. But i know u by reading what u write and by reading what makes u exited .

          • Amde

            ልጅ እዮብ

            I have one minor correction to suggest እንጂ በተረፈ ተስማምቶኛል።

            “ለሀገራችሁ ኢትዮጵያ ያላችሁ ፎንቃ እኮ የሮምዮንና የጁሌትን ያስንቃል እኮ.”

            የሚለው

            “ለሀገራችሁ ኢትዮጵያ ያላችሁ ፎንቃ እኮ የዛራ እና ቻንድራን ያስንቃል እኮ።”

            ቢሆን እላለኩ።

            ሙድ አስያዝከኝ አቦ.. ይመችክ

            አምዴ

          • saay7

            Eyob:

            I will have ጎማ for 200, Alex. You can have all the engines and all the engineers but no tires no movements. Or maybe the exhaust pipe: that’s where everything that is burned out ends up. Like Addis 🙂

            Speaking of jeopardy, SNL once in a while does what it is supposed to. The category (Black Jeopardy) was “Karen brings potato salad to your party” and the contestant is T,Chala the prince of Wakanda. Hilarity ensues:

            https://youtu.be/hzMzFGgmQOc

            saay

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam eyob
            Do u think people of addis give a demn if he call them the driver of the car or mirror of the car? They don’t give a demn about it.

  • blink

    Dear writer
    The essence of religion and it’s lecturing was and still is a controlling mechanism of the poor. The paster or the many prophets are all lies used to control and the man on target is no different. The notion our modern prophets or sheiks are all lairs . Look to the man as a sheikh in Lahor , what is the difference? None . The engineer is just trying to smooth his food with PFDJ and he is doing it by praising the death of Eritreans at the hand of notorious dictator.

  • Yemane

    Dear Semere,

    Aren’t you using one obscure so called “pastor” to bismirch the reputation of an entire group of devout ministers?

  • Beyan

    Selam Semere Andom,

    What a treat read this is while the seriousness of the message is depressingly of monumental import. Weekdays are really tough for me to follow the discussions; thus, I hope I am not repeating what others may have already said but allow me to indulge. Your piece couldn’t have come at a better time than this. We have not only lost our compass to our core values, but that there does not seem to be any “sacred cow” left in us anymore. Whether we will regain our composure remains to be seen.

    But, one thing that your article highlights for sure is that Higdef has been and continues to be several steps ahead of the opposition. Every time it comes up with some looney tune like caricature as in seeing Nsu becoming a healer extraordinaire, we shake our heads in disbelief. And now Eritrean Nasa Scientist is in on the action. I am at a loss for words. Higdef wants nothing more than to keep us in this state of perpetual discombobulation.

    Meanwhile, one couldn’t help it but wonder where in the world they are getting these cuckoo ideas from. Needless to say, their propaganda machination, whoever crackbrained person or persons behind this new low, must be watching the rerun of looney toon. If they are, they must be having fun singing like Bugs and Dafy, “it’s tough to be a god”. If this was weekend, I would’ve shared the You Tube version, but the lyrics will have to do for now. If you are in the mood for some silly things to watch, it helps to decompress. There is Elton John version of the same song as well if cartoon characters are not your cup of tea. Given the asinine tragicomic we are being made to watch, Bugs and Dafy’s version aptly fits the bill.

    I hardly think I’m qualified
    To come across all sanctified
    I just don’t cut it with the cherubim
    The town’s already on its knees
    Being worshipped is a breeze
    I barely know the words to any hymn

    Listen, if we don’t comply
    To the locals’ wishes I
    Can see us being sacrificed or stuffed
    Let’s be gods, the perks are great
    El Dorado on a plate
    Local feeling should not be rebuffed

    It’s tough to be a god
    Tread where mortals have not trod
    Be deified when really you’re a sham
    Be an object of devotion
    Be the subject of psalms
    It’s a terrifying notion
    All those prayers and those salaams
    Any normal man would bridle
    If he’s forced to be an idol
    And a normal man’s exactly what I am

    All the same, it’s pretty clear
    The scoundrels don’t keep much up here
    They must have zillions under lock and key
    But gods can force them to unleash
    Enough to make us nouveau riche
    Beyond our wildest dreams, so follow me!

    Can’t you see I won’t relax
    If religious maniacs
    Tell me I’m all-powerful and sublime
    How can I be their belief
    When I’m lying through my teeth?
    Why don’t we just say, “some other time”?

    It’s tough to be a god
    But if you get the people’s nod
    Count your blessings, keep them sweet is my advice
    Be nirvana, be salvation
    Be all things to all men
    Butter up your congregation
    Every Sunday score a ten
    The alternative is dire
    Simply frying pan to fire
    So sign on two new gods for paradise, paradise

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Beyan, take home from the above poem..

      “It’s tough to be a god
      But if you get the people’s nod
      Count your blessings, keep them sweet is my advice
      Be nirvana, be salvation
      Be all things to all men
      Butter up your congregation
      Every Sunday score a ten
      The alternative is dire
      Simply frying pan to fire
      So sign on two new gods for paradise, paradise..”

      “One thing for certain: What your article highlights is that Higdef has been and continues to be several steps ahead of the opposition. Every time it comes up with some looney tune like caricature as in seeing Nsu becoming a healer extraordinaire, we shake our heads in disbelief. And now Eritrean Nasa Scientist is in on the action. ”

      Thank you Beyan as usual ..After reading the article some should read your post above..

      KS,,

  • Sarah Ogbay

    ምዓልካ ሰመረ,
    Good read and thank you for raising the different faces the regime comes with to tighten its relationship with YPFDJ. ዘዕለብጥ ዘሎ ስርዓት ስለዝኾነ። But I would like to different on the comparision you made between YPFDJ and the young people in Eritrea and both being ‘kidnapped’. YPFDJ live and thrive in democratic environment having all the access to information and resources as well as support systems they need to analyse situations and make choices. They have right to challenge their teacher and even their parents when they feel it. Yet, they chose to side and support a dictator and killers. The young people in Eritrea, do not even have enough food; what they have more than enough is fear and misery. Yet they oppose the regime even if it is by leaving the country. It is all about the CHOICES one makes. YPFDJ chose support our killers? they have to own it.
    እወ ደቅና እዮም (well, not monkey and his age group) እንተኾነ ንጥፍአትናን ጥፍአት ደቅናን እንተደጊፎምን ተዓጢቖምን tough love should be the response.
    I do not support name calling, bashing etc but we have to say it as it is and call a spade a spade. Man, these are people who think that their cousins and uncles don’t deserve to exercise any right they are enjoying themselves. ሰመረ ሓወይ ከይተሕመኒ!

  • Haile S.

    Selam Semere,
    Great presentation and analysis!

    ዋዛ ምስ ቁምነገር
    Great presentation and analysis of the instrumentalization of YPFDJ, the everlasting youth with no age boundry. I was also wondering why YPFDJ appears to be limited to foreign-born or foreign-brought-up Eritreans. I haven’t seen a resident YPFDJ in Eritrea or a meeting of Eritrean-YPFDJ in Eritrea. Presently, youth organization in our country is like an alumni, everybody is a member provided you didn’t skip being a youth. Then who could have skipped being youth? May be the leadership of our country who considers, only it and it, has given its Youthfulness to the struggle, to Ghedli? NO. The very large majority of our people, one way or another, gave their Youthfulness to the struggle, thus exempt from being able to be YPFDJ, leaving those born outside to be YPFDJ par-excellence, and some of us who sneaked out from services. Semere, you and many forumers are exempt from YPFDJness. Those susceptible to be are people like (:-) myself, Beyan, Paul, Saay7, Sara & Sarah, Abrehet (nor sure, she might had exempting service in Sawa:-) and some others prone to alumni candidacy. All this is to say engineer Ghezae went to YPFDJ most likely because he is one of us, ተዓንቂፉ. So dear YPFDJ-prone colleagues let us pray like this.

    ኣብ ሓንጎልና ትነብር ልቦና
    ስምካ ይዘከር፡ ውረድ ናብ መዓናጡና
    ሎሚ ኣዘክረና፡ ሕመረት ክብርታትና
    ኣብ ዝድርዑና ኣሕዋት ዝሰረርዋ ሃገርና
    ዘለና እንጽርጽሮት፡ ንስዕሮ ንሰግሮ ግበረና
    ካብ ጊጉይ መንፈስ YPFDJ ሰውረና
    ምርድዳእ እምበር፡ ምምብርካኽ ይኣኽለና
    ቆራጽነትን፡ ፍልጠትን፡ ብልሓትን ናትካ እዩ’ሞ፡ ይልከፈና.

    • Paulos

      Selam Hailat,

      I am sure you remember Benjamin the Donkey in Orwell’s Animal Farm. We are all like Benjamin not only we are old but cynical as well, except of course Abrehet who is not only young but too smart for YPFDJ as well.

      • Haile S.

        Hey Paul,
        I remember vaguely. I read it during the Derg era in Ethiopia. We shared it between friends in hidden exchanges. Later when I went out, it was one of the first books bought. Few years back, I gave it to my childten to read it and they were not interested. Imagine when my children have no intetest for a book I read hiding and a rare one at that time. At that time, you need trusted connections to find that book in the second-hand book shops in Mercato.

        • Paulos

          Hailat,

          I wouldn’t blame your kids if they find the book a turn off simply because as much as the narrative is centered on a metaphor, it is a parody of an era that was never fun either. I would be curious to know if the book was off limits in Mieda as well. Maybe Muhamuday can shed some light. ሙሓሙዳይ ኣለኻ’ዶ?

          • Abrehet Yosief

            Selam Paulos,
            The biggest irony was that “Hirsha Ensesa” was read on radio Demtsi Hafash in the early 90s. We were wondering if the producer of the programme was doing it tongue-in-cheek or literally ignorant of what it was about.

          • halafi mengedi

            Abrehet,

            I think they probably truly believed that they were not going to be like the pigs…lols.

            Do you also remember the musical drama ‘niguse’? That drama describes IA so aptly, they never showed it ever again after it was first performed in 97 (i think). I think every Eritrean should be made to see and contemplate that drama, and probably be in civic courses in the future.

            hm

          • iSem

            hi HM and Abrehet:
            Please remember that they stopped it, kind of tells me that they knew they were the pigs.
            There are two Tig transalationof Orwell’s Animal farm: one was by ELF: Dembe Ensisa and the second one was certain Memhir: Hrshs Ensisa. Probably the first one has weathered away likes the organization that translated it but it was better translation, the second one I did not like because its title was Literally translaated

          • Desbele

            Selam halafi mengedi,

            I sometimes think that even if Shaebia has the monstrosity in its nature it doesnt seem to have the sophistication. They perfected their evil deeds learning on the way. How sad they learned but to make things worse.
            I read George Orwell’s 1984 and Tekeste Negash’s :Ethiopia & Eritrea the Federal experience” borrowing them from British council library. Later the books were taken off shelf and the library itself closed for good since 2011.
            I also read Tesfamichael Georgio’s account of Isayas with CIA and Dr. Medhanie Tesfazion’s book on Eritrea in the research library of University of Asmara. The research library was closed and then the university at all. I dont think ሕርሻ እንስሳ is any more in publication or sale.
            BTW the book store on the way to Cinema Odion is called Girmay Shiferaw. They were a good one.

        • Saleh Johar

          Ah Haile,

          You reminded me of an incident. One day I was arrested briefly while I was buying books from Mercato. I used to go there and get as many books as I wanted. You tell the sellers what book you need, and they will tell you they will get it from the store, “come back tomorrow.”

          As usual, I went there to pick the book I requested and the guy took me to a hidden darkroom–moments and the police raided the place. I discovered they were staling the books from the libraries and private collection. I didn’t get the book I was looking for but the police explained to me the situation and asked me not to buy anything from that place. Soon they licensed several kiosks made of roof tine and there arose a used book market. It was not as good as when they sold it like drugs, but they had a good collection. But I preferred a kiosk that used to be close to the Gojo restaurant until the place became a famous dollar exchanging spot.

          • Haile S.

            Hey Saleh,
            I confirm, those shops in Mercato used to get anything you asked. I had a close fried whose family had a shop there, thus was not dufficult for me. In Asmara 10 years back I went to one of the old book shops (ዕዳጋ ሓራጅ) behind Mesgid and in front of St Mary church and I didn’t see any book seller. Therefore, I asked one of the other objects seller what happen. The old man asked me ክንደይ ዓመት ጌርካ ዝወደይ ካብ ትወጽእ. I said ~25 years. And the man answered እምበኣር 25 ዓመት ኮይኑ መጽሓፍ ካብ ዝጠፍእ.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            In Addis, they have now what they call mobile book stores where young people move around carrying close to 15 to 20 books. And you can imagine how rough it is carrying books pretty much the whole day. And the books are mostly in Amharic.

            Not sure when your last visit to Eritrea was but if you remember there was one popular bookstore formally known as እንዳ ኡተት located right on the side of Bar Royal. And there was another one at the corner before you turn to the street to Cinema Odeon.

          • Haile S.

            Hey Paul,
            Yes I remember of those places. There were two when you go to Odeon from now aharnet Ave. On your right, on thecwwy to ጠቅላይ ግዛት was City book shop. And when turning left to Odeon at a corner was another book shop. But I generally prefered the second hand book shops open on the streets that go from St Mary to Kidane Mhret churchs parallel to ቀደማዊ ምንሊክ street or were ካርሸሊ is found.

          • Paulos

            Hailat,

            Yea I remember the one on Godena Harnet or right across Rendezvous [Bar] and they mostly sold Bible and other religious books as well. It was owned by a certain Qeshi whose name escapes me now. I guess I am getting old.

  • chefena

    ሰላም ሰመረ
    ጭቡጥ ኣብነት ምስልዩነት ወይ ግብዝነት ፡ አቲ ዓቢ ሓጢያት። Thank you.

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Semere,

    Timely article that reinforces the platform for expanding our understanding. The discussion the “Sacred Cows” of Dr. Beyan had generated could be enriched further to delve to surveying how, at least theoretically, the scattered core norms and values across the spectrum of socio-cultural diversity that constitute our ailing nation, would be researched and analyzed (once salvaged from the scourge of despotism) to form the bedrock of the county’s national core value system that would hopefully transcend the boundaries of the current enclaved infested by stale subnational conservatisms that express themselves by hallow socio-cultural chauvinisms.

    By the way, PFDJ resort to priesthood as expediency is subterfuge that recurs at the last phase in the life of dictatorial regimes. We still remember the disastrous so called September Laws of Jaafar Nimeri when he exhausted all sorts of ideologies via first Communist Party of Sudan in 19699-70, several versions of socialism and final Dr. Turabi’s Brotherhood political Islam that ended his rule through military intervention by none other than Turabi through General Omar Al Bashir. Moreover, Sadam Hussein did the same in the middle of his 8-years war with Iran. He changed the emblem on the flag with God Is Great, which still exists. Thus, may be we are living through the last phase of Isayas’ despotic regime.

  • Paulos

    Selam Semerile,

    Great piece. Thank you. So the guy says, he was there to inspire the youth? Really? Nasa Engineer? I don’t even know what that means to be honest with you. In this day and age, it is not something out of the ordinary simply because there are hundreds of bright Eritrean Engineers out there. What could inspire the youth is moral clarity; when there is no room for moral ambiguity; when there is no room for moral equivalence! That is character and the measure of a person as well.

    The young people live in a society where the “Self-Help” enterprise is a multi-billion dollar business where it comes handy if they are looking for the easy way from rugs to riches. They don’t need to hear it from someone who gives a blind eye when eighty plus years old spiritual leader is under house arrest and when a ninety four years old spiritual leader dies in prison. ገሪሙናን ኣስደሚሙናን as we say it.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Sem & Dr Paulos,

      If a priest serve the worldly as oppose to God, it brings many questions to the moral value of our people. This goes to the heart of our debate, we are having on the issue of “core value” if we have at all any. Can a society who have no the “basic moral values” could have a “collective core values” that governs their way of life live together harmoniously? In my view, it is absolutely no. What is your take on the issue of “core value” based on this article message? Doctore, we can not pass this issue ብይገርመናሎ:: If we let this kind of culture to proceed unabated, it will lead us to decay of a society.

      Sem, thank you for this good piece that pointed to the moral decay we are skidding.
      Regards

      • Paulos

        Selam Professor A. Hidrat,

        I have been following the debate on Core-Values with an ample interest and I must say I have learned great deal.

        I would say, our collective Core Values are the values which define who we are and which distinctively separate us from “others.” Our signature if you will.

        Let me illustrate if I may: Suppose you go out for cofffee with X number friends of yours and you hit it off about different kind of stuff. In the end, one of you says, ብዙሕ የዕሊልና then the other says, እሞ’እንታይ ንንቃሳቐስ’ዶ then you wave at the waiter or waitress and you ask her or him for the bill. He or she asks you, if it is seperate or in one bill, then you all simultaneously say, no put it in one bill. Then our signature as in Core Value comes swinging to the fore when ኣነ’የ ዝኸፍሎ ኣነ’የዝኸፍሎ ትባሃሉ. This Core Value seems genetically predisposed in us so much so that it defies the forces of epi-genetics if you will. It follows us where ever we go or where ever we live. The Italians lived with us for generations but still only a handful fall for the adage, ጥልያን ይፋተው’ሞ ግን በብያትኦም.

        The other Core Value I can think of is, the kind of veneration we impart for the dead. When we see a funeral procession, everything comes to a stand still, and men take their hats off till the procession recedes among other things.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Dr Paulos,

          I remember when we came as refugees in the 80s, we were doing the same thing “ ኣነ’የ ዝኸፍሎ ኣነ’የዝኸፍሎ”, and the Americans were laughing at us. This is the culture we grew up. But with the current generation, it has become already “ነበር-ነበረ” ኮይኑ ዝተረፈ ካብ ባህልታትና እዩ:: The ghedli culture has changed many of our valuable cultures:: You also remember how we respect our elders like “አንቱም አንትን” way of calling them. Now it is all crude way of calling, like “አንታ ሰብአይ አልግስ እየኮ ዝብለካ ዘለኹ” kind of talking:: Doctore, talk about the current culture that supersede the culture we grew up. Not about “ዝነበረ”::

          Regard

          • Abrehet Yosief

            ኣቱም ጎይታይ ኣማን
            ጊደ ሓቂ፥ እታ ስጋይ ስጋኻስ ኣይገደፉዋን። ይዋኣቶም እቲ ርሕራሐ እንድዩ ንፈቐዶ ሰምሳሪ: ኣሳሪ ናይ ብጾቶም ዕዳ ክኸፍሉ ተኸኽ ዝብሉ ዘለዉ:: ንዓበይቲ እውን የኽብሩ እዮም:: ብጀካ እቶም ኣብ ቤትምህርቲ ሰውራ ዝዓበዩ እታ “ኣቱም ኣትን” እውን ኣይገደፍዋን። ንሳቶም እውን ይፍትኑ እዮም። እቶም ኣብ ሚንስትሪ ዝሰርሑ ገዲም ተጋደልቲ ምስ ሲቪል ብሓደ ታዕሊም ምስተኣዘዙ: ወዮም ዓለምቲ ሃገራዊ ኣገልግሎት “ኣያይ” እንዳበሉ እዮም ዝዕልምዎም ኔሮም:: ንዝውስተውዕል ሰብ ዘስደምም ኩነታት እዩ ኔሩ::