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On Eritrea’s Independence Day Ten Years Ago

On May 28, 2005, on the occasion of Eritreans Independence Day anniversary, the following editorial appeared on awate.com under the title, “The Hidden Picture of Eritrea Under PFDJ” What has changed, or what will change under the current Eritrean rulers is everybody’s guess. But this may help to remind people what the issues were ten-years ago, and what the issues are today.


Every day, through the magic of media monopoly, the PFDJ paints colorful drawings of Eritrea. They are much like children’s crayon drawings: they bear little resemblance to the real thing but just as we would look with kindness at a children’s drawing (because they are children, after all), we are supposed to appreciate the PFDJ’s drawings (because they are our “liberators” after all!)  Every day, the state-TV shows reels and reels of films of a nation on a march: roads paved, wells dug, hospitals built, and ministers on an airport tarmac greeting the maestro who makes it all possible.  Thus, when the maestro takes to the stage, as he does on every occasion, it is no surprise that he would use the opportunity to provide further distortions.

We will not analyze Isaias Afwerki’s Independence Day speech because it has no new information or insight: it is the same formula of empty promises, excuses for the many failures, and self-congratulation for the petty “successes.” (We challenge anyone to find any substantial difference between his address of 2002-2005.)   The only cliff-hanger is who would be the new scapegoat to be added to the long litany of enemies.

This year, the “Orthodox Church reformers” joined their brethren previously classified in the enemy camp which includes greedy merchants, the corrupt civil servants, the spoiled students, the jihadists Muslims, the illegal minority religion adherents and the combatants who want a sheep slaughtered every Thursday.

The formulaic speech also includes one more feature: a stubborn refusal to acknowledge, much less address, that Eritrea is going through a major crisis. This is not accidental: acknowledgement leads to action, and action has consequences which may not necessarily be predicted.  A person who knows for certain that he or she is guilty of a major crime is least likely to call for an investigation of the crime.  He would rather talk about anything else—except the crime.   Similarly, the PFDJ leadership, which must know for a fact that it has caused, or shares major responsibility in the cause of, Eritrea’s current crisis is not willing to broach the subject.  Its strategy seems to be not to solve the crisis but to “outgrow it” by (a) totally disabling the accusers (either by discrediting us or waiting for us to die) or (2) totally changing the people’s quality of life so dramatically, that they will forgive and forget and move on.  In other words, the PFDJ hopes to use on the Eritrean people the same strategy it used on the members of the other fronts and organizations: waiting for (and, in some cases, bringing about) the death of the influential figures of their competition and then delivering something so magical—INDEPENDENCE—that everything pales in comparison.

The next magic act that was supposed to trigger the forgive-and-forget mood was DEMARCATION. The demarcation of the Eritrea-Ethiopia border was to be the substitute for INDEPENDENCE and, in fact, the PFDJ did everything in its power to recreate that parallel: (1) the TPLF, their former best friend, was given a new garb as if it were an occupying Ethiopian force indistinguishable from the Derg and Haile Selasse; (2) Tigrayans replaced the Amhara as the new “chauvinists” and “blood enemies of Eritreans”; (3) revolutionary era songs were brought back to life or mimicked by a new generation of artists (actually, government employees); (4) the 1998-2000 war, which had been described as border or economic war,  was now described as a war against occupation and, lastly, (5) the “everybody-hates-us-we-are-on-our-own” spirit was brought back.

From PFDJ’s standpoint, this strategy of escalation is a no-lose proposition: if the border is not demarcated, then it vindicates their view that this is really comparable to the Armed Struggle and we should not be surprised that it takes a long time to achieve.  If the border is demarcated, then it is another win for the indomitable PFDJ and since DEMARCATION is, according to them, a second INDEPENDENCE, then they expect an all-is-forgiven ticket from the people.

It is unfortunate that many in the opposition do not seem to have thought this through and they have convinced themselves that Eritrea’s lack of having a demarcated border and Ethiopia’s reluctance to abide by the Algiers Agreement is as hazardous to Eritreans, if not more so, than PFDJ’s enslavement of the people.  The PFDJ, with or without a demarcated border, is, was and will remain an authoritarian organization.

The second re-enactment from the Armed Struggle era is PFDJ’s strategy of “outlasting” its critics—by ostracizing them, discrediting them, buying them off with titles or causing/waiting for their demise.  However, barring exceptions, these combinations of threats and inducements will not be as effective as they were during the armed struggle because information is now more abundant and more easily deliverable.  The fawning Western media has been turned off by the PFDJ and the Eritrean dissidents have new ways (unavailable during the armed struggle) of delivering their message directly to the people.

This is where people like us come in: to provide timely and accurate information that contradicts the crayon pictures of the PFDJ.  Here below is a summary of key statistics that shows, conclusively and  notwithstanding all the fibs, exaggerations, empty promises, excuses and omissions conducted by Isaias Afwerki, Eritrea is very badly governed.    We will show here that the PFDJ and Isaias Afwerki are not fit to govern not only because they do not have the consent of the people  but also on the grounds of incompetence.  We will show that Isaias Afwerki has been woefully negligent of his duties: not only as a commander in chief (when he lost 20% of Eritrea) but also in his role as Chancellor of the University of Asmara (state of education); President (head of state) and PFDJ Chairman (head of the single “legal party” in Eritrea.)  And, unlike Isaias and PFDJ, we will not tell you “trust us”, but we will give you sources for our information.

Category Value/Source World Rank Comment
1. GOVERNANCE
(a) Freedom House: Political Rights 7 of 7 Not Free Cited for “Worst of the Worst”
(b) Freedom House: Civil Liberties 6 of 7 Not Free Cited for “Worst of the Worst”
(c)Freedom House: Press Release Not Free Excerpt from Press Release: Of the 49 countries rated Not Free, 19 received the worst possible numerical rating (7) for political rights. The broadest restrictions on political activity take place in Belarus, Burma, Cuba, China, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iraq, Laos, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Swaziland, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, and Zimbabwe. Four territories, Chechnya (Russia), Kashmir (Pakistan), Tibet (China), and Western Sahara (Morocco) also received the lowest political rights rating.
(d) US Dept. of State (Country Report) www.state.gov/ Poor Excerpt: The Government’s human rights record remained poor, and it continued to commit serious abuses. Citizens did not have the ability to change their government. Security forces were responsible for unlawful killings; however, there were no new reports of disappearances. There were numerous reports that security forces resorted to torture and physical beatings of prisoners, particularly during interrogations, and security forces severely mistreated army deserters and draft evaders. The Government generally did not permit prison visits by local or international groups, except the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). Arbitrary arrests and detentions continued to be problems; an unknown number of persons were detained without charge because of political opinion. The use of a special court system limited due process. The Government at times infringed on the right to privacy. The Government severely restricted freedom of speech and press, and restricted freedom of assembly, association, freedom of religion for religious groups not approved by the Government, and freedom of movement. Human rights groups were not allowed to operate in the country
(e) US Department of State (Religious Freedom) Poor Excerpt: The Government’s poor respect for religious freedom for minority religious groups continued to decline during the period covered by this report. The Government harassed, arrested, and detained members of Pentecostal and other independent evangelical groups reform movements from and within the Eritrean Orthodox Church, and Jehovah’s Witnesses. There were also numerous reports of physical torture and attempts at forced recantations. Following a May 2002 government decree that all religious groups must register or cease all religious activities, the Government closed all religious facilities not belonging to the four sanctioned religions. These closures, the Government’s refusal to authorize any registrations, and the restriction on holding religious meetings continued through the period covered by this report.
www.state.gov/
(f) Amnesty International (Human Rights) Very poor Excerpt: Hundreds of people were arrested for the peaceful expression of their opinions or beliefs. Scores of other prisoners of conscience remained held since a major crack-down on dissent in 2001, including former government leaders and journalists. Prisoners of conscience included hundreds of members of minority religions, some detained for nine years. They were held indefinitely without charge or trial, and incommunicado in secret detention places. Torture of political prisoners was reported, including of army deserters who had no right of conscientious objection to military service. Women conscripts were reportedly sexually abused.
www.amnestyusa.org/
(g) Human Rights Watch (Human Rights) very poor Excerpt: According to reliable reports, your Government arrested all of those who were forcibly returned from Libya and is holding them incommunicado. Unfortunately, their plight resembles that of refugees forcibly returned to Eritrea in 2002. Human Rights Watch has received reliable reports that many of those refugees are still confined and that some have been tortured. To our knowledge, none were ever brought before a court and your Government has not revealed their whereabouts.
http://hrw.org/
(h) Committee To Protect Journalists (CPJ) www.cpj.org/ biggest jailer Excerpt: Three years after a brutal crackdown in which the government shuttered independent media outlets and detained large numbers of critics, Eritrea remained the leading jailer of journalists in Africa. Seventeen journalists were still in prison at the end of 2004, many held incommunicado in secret jails, according to CPJ research.
(i) Reporters Without Borders (RWB) www.rsf.org/ dismal Excerpt: Eritrea is a dismal exception in Africa. The youngest country on the continent is also its largest prison for journalists. Ever since a wave of arrests in September 2001, Eritrean journalists who are not in prison or recruited into the heavily-controlled state media are living in exile.
(j) International Union of Food, et al (labor union) www.iuf.org/ repressive Excerpt: Eritrea has become increasingly repressive under single-party rule, and the government is using the ongoing conflict with Ethiopia to sow paranoia and further tighten its grip on power
2.MILITARIZATION
(a) Total Armed Forces Per Capita 45.84/1000 1st As bad as this rank is, the real story is much worse.  Here’s why: the data here assumes that armed forces are 200,000 and population is 4.3 million. In reality armed forces are 300,000 and population is 3,000,000.  This means that Eritrea’s militarization, ranked the 1st in the world, is. understated. The real ratio is an astounding  100/1000 or 1 in 10.
(b) Import of conventional arms as % GDP 181.81 1st See notes above.
3. ECONOMY
(a) AID as a % of GDP 29% 3rd The PFDJ is fond of selling a myth that it is self-reliant.  In reality, aid accounts for 29% of GDP. The only two countries with higher rates of AID as % of GDP are Sao Tome Principe and Guinea Bisau.
(b) Exports per $ GDP $0.60/$100 218 of 221 The PFDJ points out, often, to its long-shelved “macro economic policy” which is supposed to lift Eritrea out of poverty by building an export-based economy.  In reality, Eritrea beats only three countries in exports per $GDP: Cayman Islands, Monaco and San Marino. All three have economies driven by tourism, not export.
4. EDUCATION
(a) Education Spending 1.40% 123 of 130 The constant re-writing and re-structuring of Eritrea’s education system is mere shuffling of the deck chairs at the Titanic.  Eritrea “beats” seven nations counting from the bottom of the list: Sudan, Bangladesh, Burma, Sierra Leone, Indonesia, Nigeria and Somalia.
(b) Primary school girls out of school 76% 6 of 109 Counting from the bottom, Eritrea outperforms only Somalia, Niger, Afghanistan, Mali, Ethiopia
 (c) Pupil-to-teacher ratio, secondary ed. 50.7 2 of 125 No surprise here: the militarization, the disrespect shown to Eritrean teachers (“globalization is an equalizer,” according to Isaias Afwerki), the re- structuring has resulted in an outcome that Eritrea is ranked the second lowest in the world, second only to Nepal.
(d) School-life expectancy 4.6 104 of 113 Eritrea outranks only seven African nations: Congo, Ethiopia, Chad, Djibouti, Burkino Faso, Niger and Mali.
5. HEALTH
(a) Children underweight rate 17% 2 of 96 Only India ranks worse.
(b) Contraception 5% 89 of 91 Only Chad has rates worse than Eritrea. In addition to militarization,  the PFDJ’s destruction of familial, traditional and religious authority and an atmosphere of hopelessness has increased sexual promiscuity without the corresponding sex education: a potential fatal mix.
(c) HIV-AIDS deaths per capita 0.08 per 1000 71 of 143 Eritrea has the lowest rates in Africa and better than many in the Third World. Assuming this information is credible, it is quite impressive. However, given the notes above, and the PFDJ’s failure to disclose and update its data publicly there is reason to be very skeptical.
(d)  Maternal mortality 1000/100,000 4th of 140 This is one of the saddest data.  Only Mozambique, Malawi and Central African Republic have worse records than Eritrea’s.
6. ENVIRONMENT
(a) Fuel Consumption, traditional 96% of total energy 2nd The traditional wood-burning stove is a contributor to the deforestation of Eritrea.  Eritrea bests only Chad (97%) in this practice.
(b) Coral Reefs 3,260 sq km 7th A largely untapped Eritrean resource.
7. IMMIGRATION
(a) Net migration rate -0.01338 221 of 224 A negative rate means more people are migrating from than migrating to. If we assume that the population of Eritrea is 3 million, then this means that there are almost 40,000 more Eritreans leaving than returning each year.
(b) Refugees Outflow, per capita 86.42/1000 2nd Only Burundi generates more refugees per capita than Eritrea
(c) US Visa lottery winners, per GDP 11.3 4th The bottom three are Tonga, Fiji, Somalia.
8. MEDIA
(a) Number of computers in the nation 6160 150 of 164 This is where a lot of people who do not like Awate say, “you are wasting your time; nobody has computers in Eritrea.”  But wait….
(b)  Number of radios 345,000 142 of 221 ….which begs the question….
(c) Number of TV sets 0.22 per 1000 215 of 215 Eritrea is ranked last in TV per capita. There are literally 1,000 TV sets in the whole nation.  Which begs the question, who is the president addressing when he says, “k’bur hzbi Ertra”?  The answer is found in the repeated references to the Diaspora community.

This is the hidden picture of Eritrea, the part of Eritrea that the state media, the PFDJ and its chief and flunkies work so hard to ignore or pretend is not true.  And every year, the picture keeps getting clearer and clearer but also uglier and uglier.  And, every year, we will be reporting them, as our version of rebuttal to the president’s speech.

FOOTNOTES:

All data (excluding commentary) for categories 2-8 derived straight from nationmaster.com. In some cases, the rank does not make sense as you will see a fraction like 219 out of 165. Follow the link and you will get the whole listing.

If you want to read the entire reports that were excerpted in category 1 (Governance) regarding PFDJ’s record on human rights, civil liberties, religious freedom, trade unions and freedom of the press, check out the following links:

Freedom House: “Worst of the Worst: The World’s Most Repressive Societies, 2005”
US Department of State (report 1 for 2004 and Report 2 for 2004:)
Amnesty International:
Human Rights Watch:
Committee To Protect Journalists:
Reporters Without Borders:
International Union of Food, et al:

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  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    Happy Independence Day to all fellow Eritreans! This day in the history of Eritrea marks the day Eritreans crossed the line, to once and for all, depend on one another. In its concrete sense, freedom is the ability to choose and by declaring independence, Eritreans chose to depend on one another. Today more than ever, the nation, our people and our youth’s fate is sealed by how we perform against that basic essence of our choice to depend on each other. Hence, let’s make that choice worthwhile for all and every Eritrean. Especially, lets make it worthwhile to those who are periled, for those denied the justice they deserve, for those forced to exile and for the future of the nation founded on the premise of dependence on one another. The greatness of our independence is measured by how well we depend on one another, and not how we manage without each other.

    Happy Independence Day!

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Dear HTG
      Thanks again, this short message summarizes the essence of this date and what it should evoke in our minds. Indeed, Independence means depending on each other as a family in order to replace or make up the dependence on others. New resolution: giving our young people the hope and tools they need so that they could be the agents of change. Let the discussions keep going; let’s locate each other’s heart; let’s keep the faith in our people, and particularly in our youth.
      AT, shall we take HaileTG’s comment as AT Pencil OR something is in the pipe?
      Happy Independence Day!

  • haileTG

    Selamat Mahmuday,

    As per Selam’s request, let me bring up our discussion here. You have asked and observed the following:

    “what segment of our society really appreciates what we mean by democratic change, constitutional governance, political pluralism…human rights…frankly, loaded language that only the privileged could understand. Could not there be better ways of communicating with the masses?”

    The way I would approach this question (your assumptions reflected therein) is by first trying to understand the problem in essence and purpose. Let’s look at a simple analogy. How many people have rudimentary knowledge of medical and pharmaceutical sciences? Even further, how many people would condition their compliance to receive treatment for their illnesses upon attaining reasonable knowledge of the related science involved in the fields mentioned above? Very few or almost no one. The need to know the essences of the scientific knowledge involved is overridden by the purpose of relieving their suffering of one sort or another.

    Any Eritrean understands the need to have legal rights and not thrown into jails and forgotten about. Any Eritrean understands the need to have the basic freedom of movement and to chose where to work. Any Eritrean understands the need to be at home with their families and not be forced out and made to rote in indefinite service. Any Eritrean understands the need to visit relatives taken away by the security for unknown charges. Any Eritrean understands the need to be re-united with diaspora families and bury them traditionally when they pass away. And I can add much more to the list, but trust that you don’t need it:)

    The essence of democracy is evolving and can never be said to be fully understood by any society. Today, the Irish people went to the polls to vote on a referendum for or against same-sex marriages. With all the votes counted, Ireland became the first nation to fully accept same-sex marriage in an historic result of 63% for and 37% against. Does this result indicate that there is differing understanding of democracy within the Irish society? As I said, the essence of democracy is knowledge unfolding or work in progress. The purpose, however, is critical to to the here and now. In other words, you need democratic implements to deal with timely challenges, this however doesn’t imply you have reached certain benchmark to be considered entitled to have utilized it for societal reform and progress.

    Now, every problem has to be understood in terms of its variable and parameter facets. The variable indicators in the problem at hand could be social, economic and political responses in relation to application of democratic policies. The parameter is however variable in comparison to such like problems, but constant within the one being solved. For example, Eritrea’s social clusters are unique parameters within Eritrea. If you take Somalia, it is 100% Moslem and in Eritrea the composition isn’t like that. Therefore, although you may be observing identical variable behavior (i.e. variable being as discussed earlier), you would be working with different parameters. One being all Islamic and the other not so.

    The discussion on the paragraph before leads us to analyse and problem solve at implementation level of democratic principles. We can’t extend the scope of the problem to address questions that involve justifying the very essence of democracy and whether some people here or there understand them or not. It is a proven fact that people can understand if the purpose is served though or not. In the absence of the purpose being served, the outcomes can be different for problem sets, depending on what parameter you’re working with, i.e the form of dictatorship is also another critical in addition to basic make up and composition of the state.

    Regards

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Ahlan HTG

      Thank you Haile, you have indeed made a good foundation for the next phase. I do agree that democracy as a practice could only be seen as an evolving process. You will never reach the point of perfection although you should make strides in approaching it. The goal-post of what an ideal society should be has shifted through history. Therefore, given the constraints in our society, and the abstract discourse we come across in the cyber world, it’s normal to see disagreements on what we mean by democratic change, after all. The easy and practical tools would be the once you put in the fourth paragraph, “Any Eritrean understands the need to have legal rights and not thrown into jails and forgotten about. Any Eritrean understands the need to have the basic freedom of movement and to chose where to work. Any Eritrean understands the need to be at home with their families and not be forced out and made to rote…”
      I am trying to see if the disunity of opposition has anything to do with the disparity in understanding what the immediate, or the realistically achievable priority should be…may be there is incompatibility on what’s realistic…
      Anyway, I am using you as a vehicle to get the discussion more substantive and make it prod things a bit deeper. I will see you brother after May 24, until then I will keep reading your inputs.
      Thank you for being so generous.
      Happy Independence Day.

      • selam

        Dear Haile TG and M.Saleh

        Thanks again, i think only such discussion are productive and make sense for any one around awate.com . You both are really good at it. Again HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY

    • Mahmud Saleh

      Salam Haile and tes;
      I was to wait for tomorrow, but tes brought an interesting angle to the discussion. So, while I feel comfortable taking the topic farther along the line we have been progressing on, I will see how tes “conspiracy theory” angle fits in. So, dear both, I will reply to tes here, but I will stay strictly within the expected boundaries of the topic. I have been having with HTG, that’s around social groups/clusters and how each may see change and what it may entail.

      I begin my reply to tes (http://awate.com/when-eritreans-went-to-the-polls-in-1997/#comment-2043627243)

      That will be an interesting huge topic, although with all frankness, I have to tell you that I am not a fan of conspiracy theories. I believe the political problems we face today have known and explainable underlying causes. Introducing the element of “conspiracy theory” may make it appear of less seriousness, but I am happy to see how you can develop it. There are clearly aligned social forces at the moment jockeying to advance their interests. Some strongly favor PFDJ. Some, because of the absence of a political platform that represents them settle for PFDJ rather than putting all their chips in the “change” basket, since they don’t feel that basket is representative of what they consider the ‘right” or “fair” change. Some, although they agree that any change is better than PFDJ, they disagree on the shares of power after PFDJ is gone, when they should be leaving that aside for the people. So, the next discussion I want to have with HTG is what could the minimum common ground for all these forces be, and how could you persuade the bases to demand sensible dialogue. My gut feeling tells me that there is a unifying ground for all change seekers, including the reformist voices. The key thing will be in understanding what is the lowest common factor connecting these social forces in the anticipated change or new political reality in Eritrea. That falls within the Question that SGJ posed, and continues to be a subject of discussion between Haile and myself. My role is purely broaching and prodding, so that we can all benefit from the guy on the steering wheel, HTG.
      Regards.

  • dawit

    Dear All’
    The sources for this article all came from one source. All the so called sources recycle all the information they received from opposition sources which include AT, Asmarino, Assena, and Ethiopian sources, Tigrionline, Awramba News all known to manufacture facts about Eritrea. The article which focused about Eritrea does not contain a single Eritrean source. This totally biased article trying to paint Eritrea in the darkest possible picture, while at the same time burying all positive developments in Eritrea under the rug. Nice fictional picture of Eritrea!

    • tes

      Dear dawit,

      Is there any reliable Eritrean reference material mr dawitom?

      At least what can be referred today concerning Eritrea is sources which are already credited as “Reliable Sources”. It is a fact that information gathered can be primary or secondary. Incase of Eritrea, it is almost impossible to get primary data. Therefore secondary data.information is the only means we have at hand.

      tes

      • dawit

        Dear tes,
        Sorry for not responding earlier I was glued to the live broadcast of ERiTV the source of the primary data about Eritrea, the truth only the truth about Eritrea, for those who have eyes to see and those who have ears to listen. The other sources are not even secondary sources, but fabricated lies recycled several times with object of defaming Eritrean peace and development. Long Live ERiTV, source of Eritrea’s true picture. TES, Happy 24th. Independence day to you and your family.
        AwetNHafash!

        • Pass the salt

          Hi dawit,
          Was there interruption to PIA’s speech? For some reason I missed some portion of it.

  • ‘Gheteb

    To THE Moderator of Awate Dot Com

    I would like to bring the following to your attention.

    (1) A post about the 24th Independence Day of Eritrea was REMOVED

    (2) My response to Hayat Adem is still “pending” after 7 hours. It was posted 7 hours ago.

    Here is what I am talking about.

    * On Eritrea’s Independence Day Ten Years Ago

    ‘Gheteb Hayat Adem 7 hours ago Pending

    ** ‘Gheteb 14 hours ago Removed

    Eritrea: A Nation That Is 24 Years Young

    (3) I see a pattern here. Removing certain posts that I have written and keeping my response specifically to the person using the pen name Hayat Adem in pending status.

    (4) Removing my response to the same Hayat Adem some weeks back and the reason you offered was that I have provided “three links from Enda Siwa websites”, but you ended up deleting the only link, only one link, I have provided from Shabait dot com which was relevant to the post about sanction that I wrote a week or so ago.

    (5) Why are all these hurdles thrown on my path of writing a post or responding to those who have replied to my post or comment?

    (6) I have to admit that I don’t like writing to you, Moderator, not for anything else, but because I don’t like wasting my time or your time.

    (7) Are there taboo subjects such as writing about Eritrea’s Independence Day. It would help if you can publicly state that and then I don’t have to write on those subjects and waste my time and then waste your time in ending up removing them.

    (8) Are certain Forumers considered ‘sacred cows’ that they are immune to response and comments. I mean that they can write and reply at will, but when a person like me respond you have to either hold my response in pending or remove them. Yes, I am specifically talking about the person using the pen name Hayat Adem

    (9) Or is this simply a case of ” ኪድ ኣይትበሎ: ከምዝኽይድ ግበሮ :: Why all these hurdles in the absence of a clearly stated violations of the Posting Guidelines by me?

    (10) Clarity is of the essence here and I hope you will clarify your positions. Based on that, I will see if I have overstayed my welcome here. If my political stances and takes are not compatible with the mission of this web site, then state it and I don’t have to end up wasting your time and my time.

    Finally, I know it is your website and your website alone. You don’t have to respond to this note. However, I just want to bring it to your attention that I am not totally incognizant about the hurdles and impedance that you have thrown on my path.

    Thank You.

    • Peace!

      Dear Gheteb,

      Same here: my comment, a response to Dawit, had been removed with no explanation. I double checked for any inconsistency with the posting guidelines, I found nothing.

      Regards

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hello Peace!

        What do Hope, Selam, Nitricc, ‘Gheteb and Peace! have in common? There is more to this issue than meets the eye. Well, I guess one need not be a genius to discern the clear pattern here.

        Regards

        • selam

          Dear Gheteb
          You have a well respected and reserved place in awate.com debaters. Even if some people like your friend from Tigray wanted your comments to be hold or even deleted , i truly believe awate moderator will not do that. What eles does he has , just to give access to Abyssinians with out Fanti will make the website weak and bleak . Your presence is quite warm , just do what you do best. I never supported PFDJ or the mad man , but i am extremely protective of my country’s history and i am willing to leave awate.com after few years if they tend to silence me with out any reason.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Selam,

            I like your love and dedication to your country. But I was wondering how you would protect your country’s history excluding the history of the ‘Abyssiinian Fundamentalists’. Before I finished my one-line comment I want to share with and your like-minded group a jock I read yesterday (probably from another ‘Abyssiinian Fundamentalists’ Eritrean). Good read.

            ልቢ ትግራይ ትሕሸኒ

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            ሓደ ግዜ,ዩ ሓደ ኤርትራውን ሓደ ትግራዋይን ን ከተማ ከረን ገጾም ይጋዓዙ ነበሩ ። ወየ ኤርትራዊ ኣብቲ
            ጥውይዋይ ጽርግያ ምስ በጽሑ : ትዕንን ኢሉ ” እዚ ቦታ ” ልቢ ትግራይ ” ኢና ንብሎ በሎ ። ትግራዋይ ስንብድ ኢሉ :ዋእ ልቢ ትግራይ ከመይ ድዩ ክብል ሓተቶ ። ልቢ ትግራይ ድኣ ከምዛ መንገዲ ጥውይውይ ዝበለ ክብል መለሰሉ ።
            ወየ ትግራዋይ እንደገና ኣስዕብ ኣቢሉ ” ልቢ ኤርትራዊ ” ኸ ከመይ ኢዩ ክብል ሓተቶ ። ኤርትራዊ ሆየ ልብና ድኣ ” ትኽ ” ዝበለት ኢያ ክብል ብትምክሕቲ መለሰሉ። እሞ እዛ ጥውይዋይ ጽርግያ ድኣ ልቢ ትግራይ ጌርካ ዲኻስ ወይ ልቢ ኤርትራዊ ተጠቒምካ ትወርዳ ዘለኻ ክብል ነቲ ማኪና ዝዝውር ዝነበረ ኤርትራዊ ሓተቶ። በቲ ትኽ ዝበለ ልብኻ ካይትዝውራ እሞ ካይተጽድፈና ክብል ሓጨጨሉ ።
            1. እዛ ሓዘንን : ሓጎስን ክትፈሊ ዘጸግማ ልቢ እንተኾይና ልቢ ኤርትራዊ፧
            2, እዛ ናጽነትን ባርነትን ከተመዛዝን ብቕዓት ዘይብላ ልቢ እንተኾይና ልብና ፧
            3, እዛ መሰላን ጉቡኣን ዘይትፈልጥ እንተኾይና ልበይ ፧
            4, እዛ ሰፈር ትምክሕትን ጃህራን እንተኮይና ልቢ ኤርትራዊ፧
            5, እዛ ፈታዊት ዳንኬራ እንተኾይና ልብና ፧
            6, እዛ ሃገር ተብርስ ዘላ እንተኾይና ልብና ፧
            7, እዛ ካብ ክውንነት ሪሒቓ ኣብ ሕልሚ እትነብር ልቢ ፧
            !!!! እዚኣ እንተኾይና ልቢ ኤርትራዊ ፧ ዋእ ኣነስ ልቢ ትግራይ መሪጸ ኣለኹ !!!! እወ እዛ 90 million ህዝቢ ተማሓድር ዘላ ልቢ ትግራይ እሳ ትሕሸኒ ።

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Awatista,
            I wish you all happy Independence Day !

          • Abi

            Rahwa sistu
            Thank you.

          • selam

            Dear Rahwa
            HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY. Just get out of your inflated baloon. Yes the 84 million who have no chance on having democracy on counting. Counting , counting.

          • abrham

            Happy Independence day. Cool down please its a stand from “Abyssinian fundamentalist” not hers.But the chracter in the dialogue looks like Getseb or SAAY. And please we are busy counting the votes, please help imagine it is 35…millions..

          • Rahwa T

            Dear Abraham,
            selamat,
            Geteb was in my mind. I always remember him whenever I read “Abi. Fundamentalist” which he failed to describe what it is.

          • Pass the salt

            Embeytey Rahwa,
            Thanks for bringing up this.
            Although I don’t know what prompted the initiators to call it as such, I think there is some racism in refering the Asmara-Keren zigzag highway as ‘libi tigray’. I am not completely convinced it was ill-intended as, again, I don’t have the context for its coinage. May be there is more to what appears from the outside. There are creepy village names in Eritrea that make you think what were they thinking to name it like that. Adi Abaqh, Adi figniE, Adi knznab, Kudo AbuuEr, Kudo Felasi, Adi BegiO, …the list is long.
            On a lesser note, I heard after the 1998 war the ‘asmera menged’ in addis was replaced by ‘mekele menged’. If this is true, I would classify it as immature. You can’t just get up one morning and change street name because you are angry.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Pass the salt,

            If we change the name of streets, schools, hospitals which bears the name of Ethiopians in Asmara and anywhere in Eritrea, isn’t it the same is true for Ethiopians to change any names that relate to Eritrea and Asmara in their own country, once we are separated as two sovereign states? This is not immaturity, it is quite natural process everywhere. You give the name of streets, schools, hospitals, highways, and bridges in honor your own people who have done something to their countries above the average people. So brother it is okay to take away and attribute it to their own, as we did to our own.

            regrads,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Pass the salt

            Dear Amanuel,
            Good point. I didn’t think about that. Your comment makes sense.

          • Rahwa T

            Dear “goitai” Pass the salt,

            You have got sensible answer from Amanuel H. One more correction. I don’t think there is a street named after “Meqele” in Addis. Or rather I don’t remember a street with that name. The long, beautiful street (the old “Asmara Road”) is changed by “Haile Gebresilassie Road”- the famous athlete. I think there streets named after renowned Ethiopians of Eritrean origin like “blaten gieta Lorenzo Taezaz, Dejathmach Asfaha, Zer’ai Deres, Aman Micheal Andom (although he is half-Ethiopian as his sister said it recently, and few others). Deqemhare Hotel Asseb Hotel is still there. Although I cannot be so sure, I guess names that symbolize the historical and positive relationship between the two people and countries is unthinkable in current Eritrea. Do you remember and cite one?

            Hope you are enjoying this special day today.

            Regards,

          • Nero

            Hi Rahwa,
            There’s still an Asmara road in Addis. Its but a shorter section of the old Asmara st, which has been renamed in 3 parts as Haile G/selassie r, Equatorial Guinea street, the last section beyond the ring road is Asmara street. Check Google maps.

            All African states have street named after them, and Eritrea street is behind the Jan Meda sports field, which is used to host the official Timkat celebration and for cross country races nowadays.

            Although, there was an attempt to refer to Asmara menged as Dessie menged in the 90s, it didn’t catch on.

            N

          • Rahwa T

            Selam Nero,
            You should be correct. I trust you. I know all African nations have been given street names, but never noticed that.Asmara St still there. That is good.
            But I am still waiting for Pass the Salt to tell us if there is a single street or other Ethiopic name in Asmara.

          • Pass the salt

            Hi Rahwa,
            Well I don’t know much about street names now. I live far away and for too long.
            I remember the big changes were Boulvards Sematat and Harnet. Harnet used to be called qedamawi hailesillassie which they also used for a high school (qe.ha.s), now called Red Sea Secondary. There was Zeray Deres high, now Ibrahim SulTan. Also most Cinemas changed names, or rather restored to Italian era. Roma (Addis Ababa), Capitol (Tana), Croceresa (qey mesqel), Impero (Ethiopia), Dante (Yared), and Odeon which I forgot what derg called.

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            I don’t agree with you at all. As one of the capital cities in Africa , Asmara Godana should always be there.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,

            Where? “Asmara Godana” in Addis? Ante Qeldegna Neh. A’re Kessi Enday Metah.

            Amanuel H.

          • Saleh Johar

            Abi,
            Street names are funny. I was in Kuwait when Saddam invaded. In one week they changed all the major names in Kuwait and everything became Saddam street, Saddam airport, and other names that represented the Baath Party values. The city was changed totally and we lost direction. To make matters worse, as the Iraqis changed the names of streets and landmarks, the underground Kuwaiti resistance went on and removed house numbers and neighborhood address identification marks to deny the Iraqi security from identifying houses and arresting people. It was a total chaos. I agree that taking off names of cities is silly, but streets and landmarks. It would be nice if there was a law banning naming streets and building after living rulers–if they deserve it, the people will name many things after them once they leave this world.

          • Abi

            Ato Saleh,
            That is interesting . Imagine the Iraqis use a different language instead of Arabic .
            I agree there should be no street name for a living person with the exception of Abi-yot adebabay.
            Ato Amanuel
            Tensherashernbet asmara menged lay
            Kemegenagna Abi-yot adebabay.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Dear Peace,

        Check if it is still on hold in your own profile at disqus. Except those who enter their comment under guest. It happen to all of us.

      • dawit

        Dear Peace,
        I saw your post and before I responded it was removed. I thought you removed it, but now I know it was removed by censorship police.

  • Hayat Adem

    From Hayat to Gheteb,
    1) Please excuse my late responses. Blame it on time and priorities.
    2) You called me a “nasty piece of work”. I’ve developed a nasty habit lately: no more room in me to PFDJ lies, and no soft heart for PFDJites. You will not like me if you are a PFDJ man. And I’ll not count it as a love lost.
    3) You spoke of me as “painting anything and everything Eritrean in a negative shade or color.” That confusion comes only when you mix up things. Eritrea is inviolably larger than your crazy man; and Eritreans are inviolably above and beyond than PFDJ.
    4) You said: “I could have resorted to “tough talk”, but you are way too fragile handle that kind of stuff.”

    • ‘Gheteb

      Hi HA,

      Here is my response in numerical order.

      (1) You are excused. No need for any apologies as it is election time. I know how exacting all the electioneering activities in support of your TPLF (Weyane) can be. Trust me, I know the underhandedness of your Weyane like the back of my own hands.

      (2) No. Nasty doesn’t mean Ghestab, though the hidden, indirect message or insult is not lost to me. A nasty piece of work is a mean and unpleasant person like you who goes out of his/her way to tell people “to shut up their mouth”. Does that ring a bell, HA? If not, re-read your response to Nitricc. A nasty piece of work is someone who doesn’t bat an eyelash to call people like ‘Gheteb “Racists”, “Liars”, ‘Adgis” and whatnots without even a scintilla of evidence and merely for the purpose of denigration. In short, you, Ha, are the exemplar of what a nasty piece of work is and means as you exude meanness and nastiness to the nth degree.

      I understand why you hate the PFDJ, but not for the reason you have stated. No other force on this Earth has frustrated and foiled a dream that you hold near and dear to your heart, which is the re-annexation of Eritrea by Ethiopia. Well, you have euphemistically been calling for the unity of the people of Eritrea and Ethiopia. Your TPLF and all its allies has predicted since 1998 that the PFDJ will be decimated in no more than six-months. 15+ years on, the PFDJ stars are shimmering, sparkling, glittering, glistening, gleaming and shining brightly over the Eritrean skies so much so that, it has rendered you and your ilks purblind.

      (3) Still, though you are trying mightily to cloak and shroud your anti-Eritreanism as if you are singularly against the PFDJ. The truth of the matter is that you are seriously afflicted with a malady otherwise known as “The Eritrean antipathy”. You have evinced all the characteristics of an anti-Eritrean person to such an extent that you sound and act more Ethiopian than the Ethiopians and more Weyane than anyone hailing from TPLF-Central. Fanti Ghana said that his friend’s understanding from your writings is that you are Ethiopian. Do you need more convincing evidence than that? You are the consummate avatar of anti-Eritreanism and a peerless champion of Weyanism-cum-Abyssinian Fundamentalsim.

      (4) ” ‘Tough talk’ and you being way too fragile”, were put in my comment not for the reasons that you have purported but for my own reasons which you seem to be so clueless about. And, this has increased my risibility and I am rolling in the aisles with a side splitting belly laugh.

      (5) As if the “Habesha” Bun (coffee) ceremony of commiserations and solace to assuage all your hurt feelings about the spectacular Eritrean/PFDJ achievements is not bad enough, now I am getting convinced that you have been profusely imbibing your own Kool Aid a/k/a Adam’s Life Kool Aid to mollify all the bad feelings you have been experiencing these days. You know all the good news coming from Eritrea and all the not so good news and bad omens about the ones who are near and dear to your heart, the Weyane-land.
      Even “That Professor”, Mesfin Woldemariam, who is not known as someone to be friendly to Eritrea has to admit the glaring, conspicuous, unmistakable and striking fact that LITERALLY no force seems to be capable of bringing Eritrea to submission or to its knees. Hence the source of all your headaches, migraines and the need for all the “Habesha” BuN (coffee) ceremonies and the irresistible urges of quaffing jugs of your own Kool Aid brand named Adam’s Life Kool Aid.

      ” ኢትዮጵያና አሜሪካ ብዙ ሰው ያልተረዳውና የሚያስደንቀው የአሜሪካ ዶላርና የአሜሪካ ጫና ኤርትራን ማንበርከክ አለመቻሉን ነው፤ ሎሌ ሆኖ ጌታ ከመምሰል ደሀ ሆኖ መከበር ይሻላል፤ (ፕ/ር መስፍን ወልደ ማርያም)”
      http://ecadforum.com/Amharic/a

      • Hayat Adem

        Dear Gheteb,
        1) Thanks for understanding. This and the past elections Ethiopia has been conducting will be sources of good lessons for Eritrean democrats and free-thinkers like myself. You, pfdjites might be following it closely for other interests.
        2) Nasty is your word. I stand by the definition of nasty to be close to Getsab. It could be a pure chance coincidence or merit coincidence. It makes no difference to me.
        3) I’ve asked you to explain what you mean by Abyssinian Fundamentalism. You didn’t, so I’ll always pass it as though you have said nothing until you do that so that it is clear enough for me to react.
        4) Actually, I know what you are talking about. But go ahead and multiply your risibility as that has no cost to me at all
        5) “the spectacular Eritrean/PFDJ achievements”? If you are speaking in the notion of negatives here, I think you are hopelessly blinded or you are one of them.
        6) Professor Mesfin can never know about Eritrea more than me. It is the other way. The reason why you want his quote to support your arguments is because your arguments are hollow and out of touch with the realities. I can never rely on his testimonies of Eritrea to know how Eritrea and Eritreans are today. I’m way, more involved, way closer and more compassionate than him.. The only thing that line tells you is Professor Mesfin hates Weyane than PFDJ for known reasons. He thinks by saying that, he was making a point against Weyane. It has nothing to do with the general objective or Eritrean reality. In that quote, he only said “it is better to be respected poor than pretend to be an enslaved rich.” Does that make sense to you? Not to me. Poorness has never been a source of respect or pride as richness has never been source of pretension or enslavement.
        7) Respect and treat fairly and rightly individuals for me to believe you are caring about the nation and the people. You fail to do that, you fail to make sense to me. People are individuals. A nation is a collection of individuals. There is no people that cannot be counted as individuals. “will serve the interest of this plurality or majority of Eritreans and not the whims and caprices of individuals.” That is bullshit. Sell it to your uncle.

        • ‘Gheteb

          Hi HA
          You are a democrat and a free thinker.(Guffawing with a horse laugh). Ergo, you have no time left on your hand these days because you are mightily busy carrying water for your TPLF? Amazing, you are admitting that it has consumed all your time. So, I am right that the Weyanes are the ones that are dear and close to your heart. Why deny the undeniable, HA?

          As I said you, win in that department of being “a nasty piece of work” and not just being plain “nasty” hands down and no competition there.
          I have already done explaining and you could have understood what it meant as I have written a whole post about your beliefs which is Abyssinian Fundamentalism entitled “Exploding the mythomania of Abyssinian Fundamentalsim”. You still don’t get it. Well, too bad as that ain’t my fault.

          I know why you hate “That Professor” because he has increased your trip to the kitchen and made you call your confederates whom you have on a speed dial for some commiserations.

          A nation is not the sum total of individuals; far from it. I would have tried to explicate a bit more but you won’t get it as you are incapable of feeling Eritreanism in your guts. Well, my uncle knew this to be a fact since the mid 1960 when he joined the ELF. It is only “bullshit” to you and your confederates otherwise known as Ethiophiles.

          Gottta to go now on issues related to tomorrows Eritrea Independence Celebration. You see as I am busy with Eritreanism so have you been carrying water for the Weyanes in their upcoming fake and phony elections.

          Good luck in your electioneering campaigns for your Weyanes.

          • Hayat Adem

            Gheteb

            The Ethiopian election is just an election. National event we always wish to have in Eritrea. My interest in that event is not any different from yours in intensity. I want it to succeed and see it as a positive example for us. You want it to fail and precipitate chaos so that you use it against an election appetite in Eritrea.

            Again, nasty is Ghetsab. You can’t blame me for your own choice of an insulting word that is so proximate functionally to your choice of pen name. Both are your own, not mine. I never insulted you. You did. Coincidentally, your word choices revolve around some sort of similarities.

            I’ll ignore your Abyssinian Fundamentalsim until you explain it in particularity and clarity as to how you want me to relate it is to me. So, it is your fault if you meant to advance a message or it is not if you had nothing.

            I don’t hate Professor Mesfin. I’m indifferent to his existence. That means also he is not my primary source of information about Eritrea.

            You said: “A nation is not the sum total of individuals; far from it.” I could have agreed with the first sentence if you hadn’t followed with the 2nd one. Citizens mean also their history, livelihood and aspirations. How is a nation “far from” being a reflection of the livelihood, history and aspiration of its citizens? If it is very far from that, what is it close to? What else do you have in reference and characterization of a nation if citizens are the main ones? Eritreanism devoid of those values is flat.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            You need to give Gheteb some slack for saying that a nation is not sum of it individuals , this is an evolution from his assertions of the extraordinary accomplishment of Eritrea as this implies that as all the Nitriccs believe that Eritrea is sum of its mountains, rivers, dams, paved roads and the madness of the last 24 years. For change please Haytom give him credit the guy has evolved and he will keep doing that

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Sem,
            This is Gheteb, you can’t give him anything nor take any thing from him. Just for that very reason, he is but unable to evolve.

          • ‘Gheteb

            HA,
            You got that one right. ‘Gheteb doesn’t take even the minutest thing from those that are deemed to be nothing but the consummate avatars of anti-Eritreanism nor does ‘Gheteb expect that his messages is going to pass through the crania of the peerless champions of Weyanism-cum-Abyssinian Fundamentalism.
            Tell it to your political soul mate that those who are the apotheosis of the anti- Eritrean person are in no position to mark the evolution of those who are the essence and the epitome of Eritreanism.

          • Hayat Adem

            Gheteb
            I think there is no use of repeating ourselves. Only on two points:
            Look, you’ve upped your insults against me but you are not adding more value to what you have said. You called me nasty and now adghi. That is a manifest uncivilizedness.. So don’t blame me for your choice of insulting adjectives you picked for me. The rest is a matter of sight and sound association. Nasty donkey exactly means Ghetsab Adgi, too.
            I’m against any re-annexation. But if there are amicable ways of doing it, I would be the happiest girl on earth to see Ethiopia and Eritrea on big cooperation and integration like two equal nations. We’re now a nation with equal recognition and political status. There cannot be talk of re-annexation. You seem to have developed an entrenched victim mentality. Annexation happens between an unequal. You don’t seem to firmly internalize the equality of Ethiopia and Eritrea. You are still thinking of Eritrea as a prey on a chase. It is amazing how the brains of some folks operate. While they try to deny all the miseries being inflicted internally, they see non-existing annexation threat. We can say we are against any annexation of either Ethiopia by Eritrea or of Eritrea by Ethiopia. The 24 yrs old Eritrean independence has shown two glaring realities: That independence doesn’t necessarily bring better life conditions for Eritreans and that it doesn’t mean bad life conditions for Ethiopians. Both realities explain how unjustifiably high price was paid during the long bloody war and devastation. Why we would I want that? I think everyone has learned their lesson from that. Ethiopians seem to have learned that lesson faster than expected. So, Gheteb, there is no reason for you to be threatened by that. If we are to ask for annexation, we’ll have to submit an application. Given the trend, the Ethiopians have no appetite to re-annex Eritrea now. But I clearly know why you always want to flag this issue any time there is a positive mention of cooperation. That is your dare-scare card.

          • ‘Gheteb

            Hi Cuz Semere,

            No need for you to call for HA to cut me some slack here. Nor do I want HA to give me any credit. No, that is uncalled for and I totally resent it. You may consider HA to be this high priest or priestess and that is for you and you alone. I have my own objective assessment and please keep your views about HA for yourselves and DO NOT mingle and mix it when it comes to my exchanges. I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that HA is a nasty piece of work whose views is more Ethiopian than the Ethiopians and more Weyane than those hailing from TPLF Central.

            My friend, let me tell you something here in case you have no idea who you may think you are talking to. You are in no position either to assess nor to mark the political evolution of people like me. I hope you get that one. You may have your own opinions about me and that is fine, but to come out of nowhere and try to score some brownie points here and at my expense is highly resented and I am asking you to refrain from indulging in such kind of uncalled for interference in the future and I have a long memory.

            Regarding Eritreanism and what my political views are vis-à-vis Eritrea, please take it easy and cease and desist from your unwanted renditions. I hate to say it, but I got to tell you that it is way beyond your ken and stick to what you do or what you got to do, be it brownnosing to HA or whoever it is you look up to. I abhor all manners of a.. kissing.

          • ‘Gheteb

            HA,

            You, I mean including your confederates, wish to have a national election like that of your Weyane-led Ethiopia. You must think that phony and fake elections where the Weyanes either steal elections by murdering and incarcerating their oppositions as they did in 2005 or win 99.6% of the vote like that of 2010. Who do you think you are hoodwinking here.

            Your interest in the Ethiopian election is twofold. First you are working hard to make sure that your Weyane will be able to win this election by hook or by crook and second you want to be able to foresee what election may look like in the re-annexed Eritrea with Ethiopia. That is literally what you live for and for a change have the guts and say what you mean which is you want to see Eritrea re-annexed by Ethiopia.

            If you have the minutest fiber of a real Eritrean and if Eritreanism meant anything at all to you, you would have never allowed yourself to pollute and corrupt a historically significant name like ‘Gheteb to “Ghetsab”. If you think that will make me appear to be nasty, then you are badly mistaken. What it shows conclusively is that you are bereft of any Eritrean sensibilities and utterly devoid of even a smidgen of Eritreanism. No wonder, then, your whole mission is the total humiliation of anything Eritrean. I have told you what his Fantiness, Fanti Ghana said about you. You are more Ethiopian than Eritrean. Ergo, all your denigration of everything Eritrean including the historic name of ‘Gheteb. I bet you that you would have huffed and puffed till the end of times and has shown a severe case of hissy fit, if anyone was to corrupt your Weyanes historic place like Dedebit , Alage , Seloda and what have you.

            You are indeed a nasty piece of work not for anything else but for the whole libraries of insults and thuggish languages that you have hurled right here in this forum. I have documented them a dime and a dozen. I haven’t rendered my judgments right out of the blue.

            Why should I explain to you the term Abyssinian Fundamentalism to you? Who do you think you are? First, you accuse me of coining the term and when you were proven wrong you go about saying that you don’t understand it. Do you think it is my responsibility to explain to you anything even if you are too obtuse and dense? No it definitely is not. I have told you before and I will tell now. You fall way behind the curve and you are way way out of your league here. So, don’t blame your inability on me nor your little semantic plays here and there and the unceasing pathological lies fazes me even one bit.

            No, you hate Professor Mesfin for making you take all those trips to the kitchen and forcing you to make all those phone calls to your confederates for some solace. Of course, why would you hate the man and why would it even matter to a man of his stature what you may feel about him. I think you are evincing some delusions of grandeur here. From the pathological fib you said about lady Bruton to your fatuous assertion that you are indifferent to his existence. Yeah, like Professor Mesfin is going to loose sleep because a certain water carrier for the Weyanes (ወራዲት ማይ ወያነ). Yeah, the delusions of grandeur indeed does play wonders with one’s fancies and imagination!
            Oh, I wouldn’t even say one more word on your utterly and inanely vacuous take on the last paragraph.

  • saay7

    Hi Amanuel:

    Notwithstanding the kid’s insolent reference to him mom and sister, he actually applied “literally” correctly. All you have to do is replace “literally” with “word for word” and if it applies, it is correct. If it doesn’t apply, it is not correct:

    Application:

    * When I was a kid, you could buy beles for, literally, a dime a dozen. (Correct: i gave 10 cents and I had 12 beles)
    * iSem’s comments here at awate are literally a dime a dozen: (incorrect)

    * Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras was talking but it was literally all Greek to me (Correct: it was all Greek language, I didn’t understand)
    * Professor Smith was teaching us English grammar but it was literally all Greek to me (no it wasn’t)

    * We were playing with my kid at the park and he cried because I literally burst his bubble (correct: I really did burst his soap bubble)
    * A PFDJista came to me waving his MDG report and I literally burst his bubble (incorrect: bubbles are not part of MDG report. Not yet, anyway)

    * The cat was trying to find out what was behind the electrified fence so literally curiosity killed the cat (correct)
    * People were getting tired of my lectures about “literally” so I literally put a sock in it (incorrect)

    saay

  • Michael

    Hi all

    Every year, the supreme leader in Eritrea comes up with his classic lies and fictitious economic reports to please some benighted people in the stage and outside the country. In Eritrea, it is taboo, even sometime it is punishable by death to divulge or debate any economic fact unless it extols some wankers within the clique. No useful economic info has ever been published to the public in the country apart those few statistics which are obtained from sources outside the country. The international financial institutions such as WB, IMF have to force the regime every year to release some economic figures to them as precondition for aid.

    In the following video link, I have prepared some selected generous economic statistics by taking directly from the WB dataset. Watch, especially those of you who have chosen to become the regime’s lapdogs; it can help you restore your sanity.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77tsiZXlo8o

    • teweldino

      Hi Michael,

      That is a brilliant work. You are helping to bust the over 20 year old myth of self-reliance and expose economic mismanagement . This explains why the Eritrean government is allergic to publishing financial performance data or annual fiscal budget for 24 years. It would be really nice if you could upload your charts (with your commentaries if possible) in pdf or word format then post the link in your youtube account under the video.I am sure a lot of people will find your analysis helpful and a word / pdf document would be more accessible for future reference. You may find some of the websites in the following link easy to use if you don’t want to use the big ones.

      http://www.lifehacker.co.uk/2014/12/03/publish-documents-online-8-great-ways-share-documents-others

  • tes

    Dear All,

    I read this news though late, I think it is good to share the news when our forefathers leave us behind.

    ሓደ ካብ መስረቲ ማሕበር ሸውዓተ ወይ ምንቅስቓስ ሓርነት ኤርትራ፣ ገዲም ተቓላሳይ ያሲን መሓመድ ዑመር ሳልሕ ዓቓዳ ኣብ መበል 82 ዓመቱ፣ ብ11 ግንቦት 2015፣ ኣብ ስዑዲ ዓረብ ከተማ ጀዳ ዓሪፉ።

    Source: http://erena.org/, news date back on 13.05.2015

    tes

    • Saleh Johar

      Tes, HaileTG and Mahmuday,

      In his comment, Tes mentioned the news of the passing away of Sheikh Yassin Aqqeda, I did a short survey using Saay’s 20 people formula and sampled 10 people from each representing two groups. Group A: 9 people didn’t know who Yassin Aqqeda was, one knew him because he helped him acquire a passport decades ago in Sudan with which he managed to migrate and establish himself. Group B: six people knew Yassin Aqqeda, two of them were helped by Yassin to acquire passports. I didn’t conclude that 15% of all Eritreans got passport facilities from Yassin Aqqeda though according to the survey results I could.

      I want to ask a question here. But first, my observation. The two groups of Eritreans are from two different social cluster. I am confident the knowledge about Yassin is dependent on which cluster one belongs to. While there was two news items (which passed as a casual news) in the English and Tigrinya outlets combined, there were over a dozen eulogies and news items about his death in the Arabic outlets. This supports my theory that we have a serious social problem and I encourage people to look at it that way–and that annoys (or angers) many people who are into the “our unity” slogan. Then, they try to give this problem a partisan flavor as it existed before the Rolex wristwatch was broken. My argument is: people who do not feel comfortable discussing our social issue dump it under the carpet of partisan history, while I am saying it will be there after the carpet is rotten to pieces unless it is resolved. But sticking it to the partisan history of the struggle era seems to be an easy fix–unfortunately that is postponement, not a solution.

      I want HaileTG to relate this to the Heart and Mind scale. And that is why I say the partisan affiliation is a manifestation of social issues and even if the parties didn’t exist, the issue would have manifested itself in other ways. What do you think?

      • Mahmud Saleh

        Dear SGJ
        Very interesting.
        First condolences to all. Second, I want how the two persons you included here who have not been deeply influenced by Mr . Rolex era see it, particularly, HTG, as a pure Asmarino and with possibly less contacts with DeQi Metaht. Sorry Haylat, it is just an assumption. In my part, putting the limitations imposed upon me by my background in to consideration, I will comment . I will see if I can make use of Sagem’ s experience and the cultural input they brought in to EPLF. I’m sure our experience has a lot to do with the way we see ourselves within the greater picture. For instance, I can see how AH and Semere may be more appreciative of our social diversity than someone who had limited contacts with other minority groups in their social setting (here ” social setting” is very important). Tes is a multi-cultural, so he won’t have a difficult in seeing that point. I’m implying Tigrgna versus the rest for simplicity only, otherwise, it goes both ways and horizontal, too- minority-minority.

        • haileTG

          Selamat Mahmuday and SGJ,

          Mahmuday: one thing that myself and IA have in common is that our fiscal cycle is May 24 – May 23 of each 12 month period. So, let me announce my projections for the next fiscal cycle. I will be investing in a bigger radar that is capable of scanning outside the Kebessa regions of Eritrea to include the lowlands and coastal areas. Relevant ministries will fill you in with the details through the media. IA’s fiscal forecast will follow soon in a couple of days:-)

          SGJ: let me stay within the bounds of your specific question:

          “I want HaileTG to relate this to the Heart and Mind scale.”

          The first point that needs to be clarified is what you mean by “social problems”. More specifically, what is constituting a “problem” in this case? One of the key characteristics of the Eritrean regime is that it stifled progress and stagnated and frozen societal development (politically, culturally and economically). During the independence struggle, one can argue that the different sections of societal groups at large (not the front) had been physically separated by the ongoing conflict at the time. It is thus understandable to observe a slow progress interms of integration and greater commonality in self identification that can only be attained through organic processes.

          The heart is brave and the mind is fearful. The mind is where the monkey lives. The regime is intensely propagandist and ensures the monkey is well fed, alive and kicking. So, all social groups in Eritrea are living side by side, peacefully, without minding each other’s business. The rate of integration is amazingly low (aside from political discourses and organizations, even that is debatable). However, there also is no apparent tension or threat. What that signify IMO is that the social development post independence Eritrea remained stagnant. We may not be fully justified to call this “problem”, rather more like lost opportunity due to a regime that found it to its advantage that the people are divided, fearful of one another and weak. Our fathers and grand fathers reached an understanding and found a vision of unity that was work in progress. But as a result of the unexpected betrayal committed by the regime of IA, progress is suspended. Leaving aside some delusional and low level vocals, the groups don’t visibly threaten, harass or mistreat one another. However, the distance between them hasn’t been narrowed due to the stagnation that the nation was put under. Can this situation develop into potential problem? Indeed it can. Can it potentially spin out of control? Very probable. But, can it be described as a “problem” at this time? It lacks conclusive evidence at people level.

          So my take is that we may not have a problem per se, but given that we are operating with the fear of the mind, we are within our comfort zone. The brave heart will step out when given opportunity. And hopefully that will be soon.

          Mahmuday: you are correct actually, that my knowledge is limited (for reasons explained above). But, I have never bought into medda mentality so as to influence my thinking. I sympathized with the objectives and supported its conclusive outcome of independence. However, the blind sloganeering and the “people” this or that unsolicited spokesman-ship of the tegadelti approach aytewahateleyn. I still have a sister who spent years in medda and the only thing that we agree on is on the traditional values of us being brothers and sisters. The rest of her hateta that she gives when she feels like explaining it to us the gebars, is something I find jolly good entertaining. 🙂 Haha

          Regards

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG and Mahmuday,

            Thank you HaileTG, I agree with you it is not a visible problem, at this moment, but it has a great potential of being a crisis if we do not give it due attention. That has been my fear all along and I see the gap widening, not narrowing. But as you explained, it must be the perspective. Here, if you do the Saay formula with honestly brutal sample, you will understand my feeling. Also, don’t forget, the monkey in our mind is bigger than you think. Some of your poential sample might say what the monkey wants them to say but they will be less inhibited to let the monkey rule when they speak to me. The same applies the other way. But it depends on how much people have invested in spreading their networks to cover all the clusters, and how educated they are about the cultures of these clusters. However, I definately agree almost all Eritreans condone a huge monkey when it comes to national unity and sensitivity–it suck to be the one to tell people about the monkey that is hiding up there.

            My main argument though is, the problem or hiccup (whatever you call it), cannot be blamed on the guys who have no smashed rolex wristwatch.

            Mahmuday, the way you see it is common among Eritreans, but I am arguing it’s deeper than that. Let us both see this matter more seriously, more vigprous study, the sooner we come to a common view, the easier we can contribute in resolving it.

            By the way, let me share a story with all of you:

            People who know me from the past wonder where I got the name “Gadi” from; those who do not know me long enough have accepted it as my name. If fact the late Yassin Aqqeda gave me that name. It was on an Ethiopian passport that matched my first name, Saleh, but the second and third name was Osman Gadi, not mine. I used the Sheikh Yassin issued passport for too long I forgot my real name. He “Literally” gave me the Zula identity–now I also belong to teh dignified Bet Qadi clan of Zula. How about that!

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Ahlan Saleh Johar and HaileTG
            Saleh, was it you who reminded readers to check the names of their contacts to see how diversified their “base” or friends were? Well, I have just done that. And it appears my Rolex wristwatch is still ticking. Most or almost all of my contacts happen to be tegadelti deqi kebessa. Haile, be understanding to your sister. I was going to touch on how situations subjected tegadelti to behave the way they behave; and that without supporting and integrating policies, they got stuck. I was going to say something I observe with regard to the cultural divide between the two historic Eritrean organizations and how over time their understandings evolved regarding social issues relating to the topic. But it will be repetition. So, I will make just some observations.
            – The current government’s “melting pot” experiment as illustrated by projects such as Sawa Camp are aimed at quick fixes, making one nation out of many over a short time. I read and hear government officials cite how years of armed struggle made Eritreans more united. That might be true when taken within its limitations only. What’s missing from this narrative is the fact that Eritrean’s goal during those years was the same, evicting enemy. Now, the situation is different. It’s a time when they will make sure they are getting their fair shares; it’s about power and resource sharing. Any political force should appreciate this point.The government has failed in recognizing this. It is still in its ንኺድ ጥራይ mode.
            – Sometimes I hear comments stating that the government is doing social justice to remote areas, they literally (saay, ghehteb and sem, have fun with that word-literally) tell me that the government is doing charitable services in neglected areas as if those areas did not endure a 30 years war, as if they did not become battle grounds, as if those people were not the bases of the revolution. It is even more painful when you hear this from people who know it all and who you respect. Now, the qualities of those services, and the results tell different stories. Those areas had more attention and services during the revolution.
            – There are also chatters you hear in private settings from Muslims or Christians; from EPLF or ELF…about injustices they see/saw happening in their social circle. For instance, you hear two narratives of Jabha Abbay. One usually told by Deqi Kebessa, that ELF was feudal and backward, that it was defeated because of inept leadership of deqi metaHt. That’s when they don’t feel threatened by “outsiders” like me. The other narrative becomes handy when nostalgia rules the moment, or when they feel their organization is attacked. EPLF zealots have no Qal Alem, they will tell you so and so was arrested because he was homosexual, so and so was Muslim radical, subnational, regional… again, this refers to the zealots only, not to the majority who had given everything they owned, including teaching and treating deQi MetaHt.
            – The opposition should have been the antithesis of all these. It should have been a platform where all these are dealt with openly, and whose programs should have reconciled these grievances. Of course we know there are oppositions, not just an opposition. And why oppositions? Because the chunks of Mr. Rolex DNA are still viable. The priorities of the oppositions do not align. Some aim for national reach, others for ethnic, some for religious, and still others for regional. ኣባ-ጓይላ ዝሰኣነ ጓይላ or a symphony without a conductor.
            – What happens in our small circles aside, the cyber world is also reflective of this glaring reality. I often check Arabic language based Eritrean websites, and compared to the English and Tigrigna sites, the issues that are discussed, their priority and emphasis are not quite the same, if not different. You will see discussant emphasize that any change that they invest in should answer what PFDJ could not answer, mainly the issue of land, language, power….
            – What’s disheartening is when these genuine concerns are exploited for political ends. I believe, our priority is establishing a climate where Eritreans voice their concerns openly, and deal with these matters through their elected representatives. Supporters of PFDJ want to dismiss the presence of these grievances and label anyone who raises them as subnational while individuals who claim to represent the opposition raise them in a way that depicts that certain Kebessa population stands and collaborates with the regime, or as if the regime is catering for certain sector of our society.
            **The way forward: Responsible websites like this one, writers, public figures, and leaders need to recognize that social fissures are normal and that discussing barriers are also healthy, but we should keep our eyes on the prize. The prize is creating a conducive situation where these social concerns are discussed, and balanced out in a social contract in unambiguous terms (constitution). That’s why I supported SGJ “politics of topography,” because these grievances should be seen within the “change movement’s” programs.
            Regards.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Mahmuday and SGJ,

            Thanks guys, you both make good sense. But I can’t help remembering a joke I heard about a wife who pulls prank on her lazy husband. Every morning she asks him if he would like some Ga’at R’go’ and Tesmi or fitfit or or other traditionally valued meals. He usually falls for it and says “Thank you, I would love to”, where she then pulls joke on him by saying “zeyblna emo!” (“but we don’t have it”). The lazy husband comes back for lunch and she goes through a list of mouth watering dishes for him to choose from, to only say “zeyblna emo!”.

            I do appreciate when we wish for outcomes that are desirable and well meaning. However, those are mediated through institutions that implement policies and collect data on achievements and set targets. If you leave people to their own devises, it is unlikely that they will go beyond attempting to secure their individual/group interests. When mahmuday said that the norm is different with tegadelti, that is a proof to the point that I am making. Tegadelti didn’t became so because to was announced to them that such was in the interest of greater good. It was the systems under which that they were living that led to that norm. Incidentally, on his point of tegadelti not getting integrative intervention is something I agree with. But, what is worse is that those people who had to go through traumatic war time experience, not only were not given the necessary intervention, but were allowed to rule the country with their untreated conditions still having a hold on them. When we say that the youth were mistreated and civilians kept so badly that they are leaving in mass, that is as a result of designs put in place by minds that should had been given necessary treatment to integrate with the civilians, let alone be placed in decisive roles to be responsible to the latter’s well being and destiny.

            The regime is forcing the groups to wear the same attire and sing the same song, and silence them or jail or kill them if they don’t submit, because that is all it knows to do. In the opposition, we don’t have the necessary institution and financial muscle either. Zeyblna emo 🙂 That is where heart/mind comes in. Where the opposition need to think with its heart to launch on caring activities than with its mind on power brokering activities. Such initiatives would set in motion another set of dynamic transformations by giving stimuli that is necessary for the people to go in certain direction.

            Regards

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear HaileTG
            While our friends are focused on Addis, let’s take this thread further, may be a couple of exchanges will do it.
            Consider this:
            “Also, on Mahmuday’s point of tegadelti not getting integrative intervention is something I agree with. But, what is worse is that those people who had to go through traumatic war time experience, not only were not given the necessary intervention, but were allowed to rule the country with their untreated conditions still having a hold on them.”
            – Consider that Eritreans all went through that traumatic experience. Go back and remember that era. Even if you lived in Abbay Asmara, it was transformed into a big garrison. War and the smell of war was all over. Your friends, siblings and may be your immediate uncles/aunts…had joined the revolution. May be you were working underground. You remember all the Durg era campaigns, and Marxist drives…from Qebele to Esepa. That’s the society that waited for us when we marched into Asmara on May 24, 1991.

            – Also consider the fact that Eritrea with its small population sustained an enormous feat of 30 years war. What that means is that almost the entire population was, either in some way or another, tegadalay, or at least in tegadalay mindset.

            -Now, further consider this: Eritrean society as you know it, apart from the all known “our people are civil, they had democratic tendencies and traditional customs and/or laws”, in reality our society is and was farther from utilizing democratic tools. True our society/societies had their own ways (customs or rules) governing each of their sections and regions. However, those customs and traditions were reflective of the socio-economic developmental stages of each of the societies; they were based on their traditional values. They may have been good as harmonizing and conflict management tools, but they did not mature into unified codes applicable at national level due to European interferences, and the pressure applied to them by war and occupation. Efforts of introducing modern intuitions of government and the experiment of multiparty elections were also cut short by abboy Janhoy. Therefore, a liberation organization that had spent years on leftist leanings, encompassed by adoring masses who not only accepted it but considered it as their own (and rightfully their own, since all the participation and sacrifices in Eritrea were deep reaching, and equally spread among the Eritrean people), you could safely say, on May 24, 1991, all of Eritrea marched to Asmara, even those who were waiting in the occupied cities were mentally out there fighting along their sons and daughters. Therefore, the mood and the traumas national. What you could say is that there was something missing here. Leadership. Let me repeat one fact. Every accomplishments you heard about during ghedli were done by the ingenuity of low to midlevel cadres. You would usually get a get go signal, after that it was up to the local leaders/commanders to see how they could do it. In all these the people were there. Of course, once the government was installed, all the initiatives and flexibilities low and midlevel cadres used to have were confiscated by PFDJ. You mentioned the abuse of the youth. Let me give you an example: Ask your sister if she was that passive for unwanted advances. Believe me, it does not mean that there were no abuses during those ghedli yrears, but I will tell you this: when it comes to fierceness for right of individuals (which were quite few because of the nature of the life-military), tegadalay was much more fierce and controlling what his/her superiors were doing. The problem was that whenever you move up the ladder, you see the culture of conformity and loyalty. So, you would see an organization that was literally dynamic and live at the bottom while a leadership that was tightly controlled and so timid even to ask for the fate of its member.

            Therefore, lack of democratic tradition in the society, the militarization of the society during the long ghedli years, and an unwilling leadership to steer the country towards political modernization could explain the disasters that followed. We went through similar discourses in the past, if you remember. I think it’s important to check if the organized opposition which is literally swimming in the big bang era soupy universe could usher a better tomorrow. That’s why I call upon all serious change seekers to make an appraisal of the past and save the country from going through similar experiments. That’s why I call upon the leaders of the political organizations to assess their endeavors and chart a sounder course.

            I know, the question Saleh raised is important. It’s my belief that any force vying for changing the status quo should be able to appreciate the diverse nature of our problems. The word democracy is just vague for most of us. What we need now is a sense of semblance- that’s rule of law, the opportunity that citizens can be empowered to voice their needs and could be allowed to charter their collective future road map without arbitrary sanctions on their rights, and the improvement of livelihood so that our young people could lessen the urge to flee the county. The rest will be struggle. Building state institutions that could sustain hiccups is a process. What is needed now is a breathing space so that we can negotiate with each other for the type of governance we want to leave for future generations.
            ps= EDITING LATER, I have to go.

          • haileTG

            Dear Mahmuday,

            I think the fact that I only mentioned the issue of integrative intervention in passing ( as it was not the main point), it is understandable that it can be taken the wrong way. I hope you understand that I am not bringing that up to make a politically motivated move.

            Suppose that we all actually follow through news and media about what is happening to the youth crossing the seas and deserts. Does that make us equally traumatized as a young man who actually spent the night floating on the sea while holding on to his friends corps as a dinghy? So far, in the past 12 months alone up to 10 young Eritreans committed suicide despite having arrived in their destination countries as Sweden and Germany through such crossings. Clearly, our trauma can’t be considered the same in nature and impact as that of the first hand victims.

            In similar manner, I can’t claim to have been equally traumatized as the actual tegadelti combatants, although I was right in Asmara throughout the struggle era. We’ve witnessed shelling, military heavy handedness and what have you. However, that is not enough to impact me so profoundly as altering my thinking and behavior. That is a trauma of hardship, that is not the same as the trauma of combat.

            For instance, the higher the resilience and cruelty, the higher the productivity in combat engagement. Now imagine that rational being transferred to civilian administration. You will have Wi’a, Maiter, Ella Ero, refusing to permit burials, requiring a young man to transfer an entire oil barrel full of water from one to another using a small tea cup in a searing heat of arid location (Dr Sarah told this once). Completely bulldozing people’s homes and life long project… You obviously see a rational that assumes that higher productivity and compliance is ensured through intense cruelty. Such rational was valid and served its purpose at the right time during the struggle. When the same people whose behavior had been profoundly and unavoidably altered by it are in charge of civilian leadership, the same mentality is perused even if the goals have changed. Tegadelti did not have military academy that they went through, it was a DIY experience and they may have succeeded in reaching their war objectives, but had no means of descaling the tension and transitioning into normalcy. For example, if TPLF had only Tigray to rule, it probably would have ended up in the same problem. However, they had become care takers of much bigger areas and populations that were never under their rule. This IMO had forced them to critically look at the matter and debrief from the combat traumatized state of engagement with the civilian population.

            IA once told Dan Connell that the more harsh things become, the more resistant he gets (that was in connection to the Soviet intervention). Such is a dangerous mindset for civilian administration. It simply boils down to a bloody mindedness that one’s consciousness is altered to and believes it can withstand any hardship, therefore it can/entitled to have its way. In the civilian world, one would almost always be defeated and reduced to total isolation and bankruptcy with such mode of thinking.

            The harshness of life in Eritrea, traces its rational to policies drawn by combat traumatized individuals who should have had access to integrative intervention facilities. When there are too many of them, it is easy that their condition appears normal to them and are at a loss as to why others (non affected parties) find it incredibly difficult to work with or understand.

            So, I do understand our limitation (as a society) to provide care for those impacted. But when those impacted are actually left to care for the society instead, what you see today and the regime’s obstinacy in the face of it is a conclusive evidence in itself.

            Regards

          • Mahmud Saleh

            Dear HTG
            Very true. I understood your previous message too. I just wanted to steer the discussion towards a certain direction. That’s why i selected that portion. I didn’t want to alert you why i selected it because I wanted to see your unbiased opinion. I do agree with what you said. I once said similar to what you said in relation to IA regression and why wayane leadership could possibly choose a different path. There was a discussion why PFDJ chose pursuing what it has been pursuing while TPLF rose to leading Ethiopia to a different direction. I will pull it out if I could. Anyway, what I’m looking at is if this is an easier problem, one that is of a political problem only, or a deeper societal one; one that has cultural dimension. In short, what segment of our society really appreciates what we mean by democratic change, constitutional governance, political pluralism…human rights…frankly, loaded language older that only the previewed could understand. Could not be there better ways of communicating with the masses? I’m in one of the kids game, and i am expecting another one. I will return to this later. But I want you to think about cultural, generational…socio-economic segments and think what is the best possible way of communicating with each of those possible segments (demographic clusters). I’m trying to see if there is a dissonance in the way the opposition is communicating, or the message itself is defective.

          • selam

            Dear M.saleh and Haile .TG
            please continue this , some one is following your comments with out saying any thing. But my dear teacher saleh , please would you able to post on the top. Because some times i miss some parts of your interactions. Woul it be ok for both of you to post on the top.
            Thanks for your endless valuable comments

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,

            Saay’s polling of 20 samples of individuals ( friends and relatives) can’t be extended as samples of the whole Eritrean society. That argument isn’t an argument except for those who are naive about polling and statistics. Saay is so good at attracting soft political targets that no body else in this forum could match him at it. Statistics are statistics and have scientific method of polling political issue or any other issues.

            Regards,
            Amnanuel Hidrat

          • Saleh Johar

            Emma,
            I agree but let us be fair here. Saay did’nt present his suggestion or claim it was LITTERALLY scientific. In some cases people conduct casual survey to get a feel. Like in focus groups. If you chose your sample carefully, it is certainly a step higher than personal observation.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh,
            Not at all. It is a decieving argument. If we want to teach our people about statistics, let it be the right way, is my argument. I don’t want to aggravate my friend saay but that approach of conducting polling is completely inccorrect and he knows more than anyone of us here.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Happy Friday Emma Arkey!

            On January 12, 1998, exactly 4 months before you-know-what, I published a survey I had been conducting for 2 months on Dehai. The questionnaire was sent to 1,100 Dehaiers and 59 responded. Sample questions:

            1. The economic model Eritrea should pursue is that of ____ (multiple choice)
            5. The biggest foreign threat to Eritrea is ______ (multiple choice)
            6. The biggest internal threat to Eritrea is ______ (multiple choice)
            7. The most important lesson Eritrea could learn from Africa is that ______ (multiple choice)
            10. A political party that challenges the PFDJ will be established in Eritrea within _____ (multiple choice)
            12. With respect to the 2% of net income tax requirement, I _____ (multiple choice)
            13. To help reach goal of gender equity, the Eritrean government should _____ (multiple choice)
            17. The Eritrean government has taken steps against Jehovah’s Witnesses. The government says that this was necessary because right of worship should not override duties of citizenship. Jehovah’s Witnesses say that their religion prohibits them from engaging in some of the duties enumerated. Overall, I_____ (multiple choice)
            18. The Eritrean justice department admits that some Eritreans are in jail without due process. I ______ (multiple choice)

            In our front page, to commemorate Independence Day, I was thinking of publishing the results of this survey, just to give us a glimpse of Eritrea 17 years ago, but it is not scientific so I think I will just stare at it:)

            saay

          • saay7

            Emma:

            Forgot to include a sample. I think I am going to run a survey if I should publish the survey. Could you ask 20 representative sample group?:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh (Saay),
            I have no doubt that you are capable with all the wherewithal of know how. Absolutely you could do it. I know you could do more than what you are doing here (I am not minumizing your contribution though). You are bigger than what you are showing here. That is why you anger me sometime, when you fail to meet my expectation, to the extend I throw my towel right in front of my kids. When they see that, my kids try to dissuade me to dissociate from politics. I don’t like this psuedo-statistics at all.
            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • saay7

            Hey Emma:

            I had a visual of you throwing the white towel…do you have a boxing ring in the middle of your living room?:)

            There are polls and then are polls. Some scientific, some unscientific (straw poll). And unscientific poll is sometimes better than no poll. I think your reluctance about unscientific polls comes from two sources (a) your field. You are a pharmacists, and pharmaceuticals spend a lot of resources on research and reaching the wrong conclusion using unsound methods can be lethal and (b) you already know the result of the unscientific survey and u don’t like it: no dismantle agenda among your 20 friends, right?:)

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Abu Saleh (saay)

            Agendas are dismantled by members of the agenda makers, because it is their specific agendas for their particular group interest. Actually an agenda can be thrown and substitute by other agenda. The word dismantle is not appropriate for it. But I know you brought it as “ashmur” from our past debates. And yes a system can only be dismantled, if it isn’t, it will be there to continue for whatever reason that keeps its continuity.

            regards,

          • Nitricc

            SAAY please post the answers. Very interesting but for me and from the top of my head; I would have answered it like this

            1.The economic model Eritrea should pursue is that of —–Singapore

            5. The biggest foreign threat to Eritrea is ______ Ethiopia
            6. The biggest internal threat to Eritrea is ______ Regionalism and religion.
            7. The most important lesson Eritrea could learn from Africa is that ______ Fair social justice to all citizens.
            10. A political party that challenges the PFDJ will be established in Eritrea within _____ When ever the country’s clouds war is removed.
            12. With respect to the 2% of net income tax requirement, I _____ It is a must and it should be mandatory.
            13. To help reach goal of gender equity, the Eritrean government should _____ Eritrean women must serve national service and let them spend some time in SAWA with time Eritrean women will be treated equal.
            17. The Eritrean government has that this was necessary because right of worship should not override duties of citizenship. Jehovah’s Witnesses say that their religion prohibits them from engaging in some of the duties enumerated. Overall, I_____ No comment but take their religion and shave it in their you know what.

            18. The Eritrean justice department admits that some Eritreans are in jail without due process. I ______ Un acceptable.

          • saay7

            Nitricc Hawi S’las:

            There is a reason why MaHmuday tells you that you remind him of so many people he knew in the EPLF. Your answers (without the spicy language used on Jehovah’s Witness) agrees with the majority or plurality view of the survey participants. But then in 1997 nearly all Dehaiers were strong supporters of the Eritrean government or at least gave it the benefit of the doubt (and why wouldn’t we: it was a 6 year old gov.)

            Poll will be published:)

            saay

          • tes

            Dear Saay7,

            Please do that. It is very useful. And data analysisand result will be on Real Time. For example, I have used online survey to collect information from French food producers. The result we obtained and respose was very great.

            For the one which is free, there is a limit of respondents. But if you pay, not that much expensive, you can have large pool of population sampling.

            Here is the lin that can help you to make such surveys.

            https://fr.surveymonkey.com, it is of commercial

            tes

          • teweldino

            Hi Sal,

            Please do share your findings with us. What would be more exiting is if the same people who took part in your survey get another chance to answer the same questions now, after 17 years. It would show if opinions of Eritrean political elite are changing or not.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Amanuel,

            do you notice, some of us never talk since it was proposed because it is never works and is not scientific at all and that is why that big test equipment head Lol (Say7) will never claim it as SGL put it. Saay7 must be laughing some time alone. he is not only examining the ideas and views but also the people who support his idea.Lol እሞ ንመን ? “ንዓይ ነንጭዋስ ኣብ ሎቆታ ” በለት ኣንጭዋ ::

          • Saleh Johar

            Hi Emma,

            Who teaches our people stats? I honk people go to school learn that, you don’t learn stats in such forums. But we can practice it. I have been a marketing person for a good portion of my life and I have seen a lot of money invested based on focus group findings. In fact anyone can decide the type is survey or how rigerous it should be based on the task. Sometimes a survey of two friends is enough to make a decision. But if the result concerns others it must be challenged as inadequate or something if that nature. But you can’t outflow short surveys. In fact I just finishe 8 focus group discussion for a project and I found what I needed to find.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Saleh,
            First, a survey of two people (friends) is no more than consultation for an advice. You can’t call it a survey. Second sure statistics are learned from schools, but could also be learned from statistical reports. Suppose expert on it can make study on certain issue and for purpose of public education they post in websites or give in public seminars. So statistic can be learned both ways.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Emma,

            In your recent article, you started your 2nd paragraph stating as “The Eritrean political culture is driven by various “group interests” charged with absolute psychological forces who are on perpetual collision against each other.”

            1. What makes you to conclude like this?
            2. Was it on your personal conclusion?
            3. or what you observed about from “the interest groups”?
            4. And who are these groups?
            5. How many group of interests we have on the Eritrean political atmosphere?
            6. Did you consulted any other individuals to put liek this?

            Questions are infinite here from this single sentence? Yet, you have no any statistical proves to conclude as such?

            tes

          • Abi

            Hi Tes
            The thing is you can not decide if people ignore you or not.
            I know you are persistent . I’m different. I lose hope easily.

          • tes

            Dear Saleh Johar,

            Statistical samples are relative always.

            Inventory type I:

            Suppose you visited Eritrea these days and distribute a questionnaire aimed for collecting information about ELF history and gave it to 100,000 Eritreans aged between 20-35. Your sampling procedure is of RANDOM SAMPLING but selective based on age group. Some of the two questionnaires are like this:

            1. Who was the last leader of ELF before they were defeated by EPLF?

            Answer: _____________________________

            Response you get, it will be almost 0.00001%.

            2. ELF members were:

            a. Islamist organization

            b. Traitors

            C. Nationalists

            Response: 70% will be (a) 29% (b) and less than 1% (c).

            Let me tell you this about me:

            If this questionnaire was given to me before I joined university, my anwser is sure (a)

            After I joined university, thanks to the hisotry course I took during my fresh year, my response could have changed, my anwser could be (b). Remember, this was even after the arrest of G-15.

            Now you know the answer.

            Inventory type II:

            Now you have a specific purpose and your sampling is not going to be RANDOM but of “Systematic” or “stratified” one. And you have the same questionnaire. You gave to 30 notable freedom fighters who served in middle and higher possitions.

            Then:

            If the response to quetion No. is more than 50%, empty or wrong answer, then, there must something wrong with the popularity of ELF leader at that time.

            For the second question:

            If more than 15% responded, ELF as Islamists, then, it is a serious result, If the combined results of (a) and (b) responses makes more than 50%, then this is also very serious case.

            Now, see the sampling technique and the results.

            The first questionnaire was distributed to youth who were brainwashed by PFDJ propaganda and political history. And if the response is as such, then, it is not of serious issue though it is of major concern of the way our youth are told their own history.

            The later case; just 30 people, and a systematic sampling, the statistical result we get has totally different perspective. These 30 are supposed to be well informed and if more that 50% of them evaluate ELF as Islamist and traitor, then the case is serious.

            http://wiki.eanswers.com/en/Sampling_%28statistics%29?ext=t&cid=5062

            Therefore, what I believe is, since you are serious in our history, I believe that your samples are of well informed. And any conclusion you do has significant meaning.

            To Amanuel Hidrat, he is totally lost these days. As a health professional, one can expect him to differentiate the technique of sampling. Oh, I wish he will get up from his political bunkraptsy.

            tes

          • Mizaan1

            Tes, I was reading your comment attentively and learned quite a lot from it although my profession also requires me to understand statistical data analysis but that is scientific physical data rather than surveys. In any case, I was disappointed in your conclusion.

            The only fault I see with Amanuel Hidrat is his tendency to take things ‘literally’ as in what he did with Saay’s satire of ‘proxy talks between TPLF and PFDJ’ when he was addressing the foreigners advocating for one or the other in more or less competing fashion.

            In the current case, I know Saay will never draw any sensible conclusion out of a survey of 20 people of a population of a few million people. Sample size is too small. For a company of 80 people as an example, that survey would be very conclusive if the samples were chose randomly and representative of the diverse body of the company. But like SJ said, you can get a feel of what the tendency of people is out of 20 persons. If you ask 20 people in the streets of Asmara and they all tell you life couldn’t be better, then I would hesitate about why we are thinking life in Eritrea is so bad. I wouldn’t go and publish a paper and say life in Eritrea is good because 20 out of 20 people in Asmara told me so. Therefore, we can advice AH to see the humor and cynicism of some of the comments here but calling him totally lost is unbecoming of an aspiring young Eritrean like yourself Tes.

            Even in your professional career, you will find it very helpful to be soft spoken. It is great to be critical but there are techniques to do it without sounding really harsh and insensitive. For example, if you are say doing an inspection at a food processor somewhere (you are studying food technology or something) and they fail their annual check because they didn’t follow the health standards of your agency, you can’t go and tell them ‘you guys suck.’ You point out the things they did well first and you give them technical assistance as to how they could improve for the future and you tell them this penalty could have been $2,000 more but you say you are using your discretionary authority to not do the maximum possible.

            The same goes with politics. In conclusion, AH took Saay at his word when his said ‘ask 20 people and tell me what they tell you.’ 20 former UoA students could be fairly representative but still really tough to draw definite conclusions let alone from an entire nation. I could get verbose like you sometimes. In fact, I was in an interview recently and they didn’t hire me and they told me you did extremely well…bla bla bla and she also said I was ‘long-winded’ at times. For my vast vocabulary I had never ever heard of that compounded word before and Saay used it yesterday and then I looked it up. They asked me how to fix an ongoing dispute between two employees and I was expected to answer that in two or three minutes. That is like a full day’s worth of answering.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Mizaan,

            Don’t worry about him. He is “awan melhasu zeytegerze iyu”. Even if you tell him he doesn’t understand. Do you know “Tire Seb” who doesn’t respect people and speaks whatever that comes to his mouth or tongue. That is what Tes is known in this forum. You remember for months was calling to Saay an opportunist. The guy has no respect at all.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • Abi

            Ato Amanuel
            Tes reminds me of those graduate assistants at AAU . The only thing they know is their subject matter. They have no other skill. They don’t even know how to talk to people. They are easily offended by any joke towards them. One of their problem is to talk to the girls. They almost always score “F” in their relationship. They are mean. There was this guy I know closely with nick name asymptote ( yiTege ayneke in Amharic ) . We gave him that name because he is always around the girls but never … You know what I mean.
            My point?
            1 ignore him
            2 I’m bored
            BTW, do you read Saay’s annoying comments while shaving? I visualize you remove the towel from your neck and throw it in the sink.
            Your children said ” aboy abidu!”
            Your wife said ” again?”
            Saay said ” yessssss”
            Abi? Hahaha

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            People can ignore me and I don’t care. As far as they are commenting on behalf of Eritreans, I will be there and this is the intersection point. But I am the only to decided whether I can be ignored or not. All I have for you is: “I know how to push the button in order to create a comment that can not be ignored.”

            Therefore, unless I decide, what ever people decide on me doesn’t change the course. I know you tried several times but you cann’t. Tes will be here as far as he decided to be.

            tes

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam tes,
            .
            Wow, tes, I can just change two words in your above post and it will be a perfect fit for me. I change “tes” and “Eritrea” to Kim and Ethiopia, VOILA, my motto exactly.
            .
            Lately, I noticed you really have sharpened your pencil and making great points at Awate. That Newtonian reaction is somewhat arrested and the new Relativity is ruling the day.
            .
            How do you like my French above, that is all I can remember from high school French at Taferi Makonnen High School.
            .
            K.H

          • tes

            Dear Kil hanna,

            You passed ur French but you may need to right it in the right way, voilà.

            Don’t plagarize please. Either use my motto and quote me as it is or leave mine and right your own.

            For the compliments, thank you but I use Newtonian Law for only one but ultimate reason to do so and that is when I read lines against “humanity”. Else, everything is relative.

            tes

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Abi,

            Thank you. Point well taken. Your comment always “fegegta Ysetal”. Please stay always in the loop.

            regards,
            Amanuel Hidrat

          • tes

            Dear Abi,

            Let me add this too.

            It is good that I reminds you those of graduate assistants at AAU. Awate.com for is a university. And university has fully resident professors (like Saay7, SGJ) highly distinguished and visiting professors (like that of Amanule Hidrat Mahmud Saleh, Fanti Ghana, T.Kifle etc), distinguished researchers (like that of haile TG, Eyob Medhanie), Assistant professors (like that of Semere Andom, Kokhob Selam, Dr. Sara, Amde, etc), respected lecturers and idealogues (like that of Hayat Adem, Horizon, etc), crazy and inhumaine lecturers (like that of Gheteb and dawit) etc etc.

            Artists (like Abi), students (all silent readers), spys and security guards* (many pfdjites and Ethiopian awatistas), drop-outs (like that of the girl from Asmara) etc etc;

            One thing was missing though in this big university “The GRADUATE ASSISTANT”. Thanks now that position has been fulfilled by tes.

            I think Nitricc was a brilliant student but as he took wrongly for whate he studied, he ended-up as being pro-PFDJ. Not a graduate assistant but a full time professional worker.

            If I forgot something please add.

          • Abi

            Professor TesfaBirhan Redie,The Almighty !
            I’m glad you keep the university alive. Weeks ago you were busy killing those fine people left and right. This place was turning to a cemetery .
            SGJ was praying hard.
            ” yene TesfaBirhan yeEgzer tanash wendim
            Yezaren marlign huletegna alweldim.”
            Tselot semiw amlak libun biyararalet
            Kemutan tenesu semere ena Hayat .
            Mutanoch tenesu! Yabqa memotachihu
            Yenetsanet beAl endayamelTachihu.
            Tesfachin abebe birhanachin beza
            Slaswegedelin andandun mozaza!

          • tes

            Dear Amanuel Hidrat,

            Aha, you wrote, “You remember for months was calling to Saay an opportunist.” Did I ever say this? You must be confusing everthing by now? All what I wrote against Saay7 is open to readers.

            But for sake of cross-checking, bring a single line that I called saay7 “an opportunist”.

            ______________________________________

            Until you respond though I know you will not, let me entertain you with my philosophical discourses and messages addressed to you.
            ______________________________________

            Beginning of entertainment
            ——————————————-

            On your description about me as “”Tire Seb”” , Raw, unripened man. Remember, you can only harvest something after a time from “tire neger”.

            Let me state this scientific fact:

            To have an economic growth, you need to have raw materials.

            And the same logic is applied to politics.

            “To have an political growth, you need raw talk.”

            Unlike you, remember, I am not trying to be a governor here at awate. I know awate.com has two fully riped governors, saay7 and SGJ. There is no need to duplicate their position because it will only be a meanness.

            Nevertheless I know what I do and I fully conscious about it. Remember that even I tried to reconcile you with people whom you went bitter. If I was “awan melhasu zeytegerze iyu”, I couldn’t think about it even.

            Dear Emma, I have two objectives on you. Either “To make you alive and bless us with your wide experience” or “to let you retire officially as you are losing hope and energy on our current predicament” And I do these two things is while you are still living in your Never Land.

            End of entertainment
            ———————————

            tes

          • tes

            Dear Mizaan1,

            Suppose you have a president elected by the people, not like a self-declared president for life like dictator IA. Say Barak Obama.

            I believe that Barak Obama representes american values very well. During his presidency, anything he say is treated as americans say.

            Therefore, at this time Barak represents:

            a. 322,583,006 people (as of July 1 2014 population estimates)
            b. 34 people per Km2

            Yet he is one and only one.

            Let’s apply this:

            SGJ is among the few well informed notable Eritrean writers whose opinion is considered most. What he represents is not only his opinion but opinions of many other notable opinion holders. Same holds true wtih saay7 and Amanuel Hidrat.

            Let me make myself clear about Amanuel Hidrat. I am not under-estimating about his capabilities. In fact I build high opinion on him from the very beginning. Recently, I saw him losing hope in everything. He became more sour and to my disappointment he came with his “Never-Land politics”. This made me to “fear” of losing him. Remember, YG, the one who worked hard to erase Eritrean identity, is a well respected philospher by Amanuel Hidrat. Conceptually, I don’t know why he does that though I also appreciate YG’s craziness of negative thinking*.

            To make it short, all I am for Amanuel Hidrat is to make him awake and to be energetic again. I want him to feel like a young man, I want him to fight a good fight. I want him to be creative like that of saay7, informative like that of SGJ, a real fighter like that of Mahmud Saleh and Hayat Adem, never to be challenged and satarist like that of Semere Andom, peace loving like that of Kokhob Selam, and a feeder to the soul like that of haile TG.

            Dear Mizaan1, I believe on hope and energy. I use my internal energy to stay alive with hope. Same I wish for others and this is what I call for.

            Peace be upon us.

            *Thinking can be positive and negative. Both have their own merits and demerits.

      • tes

        Dear Saleh Johar,

        I agree with your conclusion. But, the pnly way to change such mentality is through constant information and to diversify our means of communication. PFDJ played a negative role in liquidating language diversity.

        In Eritrea, at this time, there is institution that translates a document on time to different languages. Even the Civil and Penal Code they are imposing now is sure either in English only or in English and Tigrigna. and may be, may be Arabic. But I am confident to say there will not be an equivalent book in other languages. And imagine, all kids are forced to study using their mother language till grade six and then start immediately in Englsh.

        I knew many grown-up kids, age less than 15, who are not able to read any Tigrigna written materials. Imagine!!! Hence, we need tocounter-balance and at the same time diversify our means of communication.

        Whether we like it or not, our politics will be dictated for a while by Tigrigna language.

        My point at last is therefore, it is only a matter of information. Like what farajet.com is doing, news should also be published using different languages.

        tes

  • Nitricc

    The following is part of what is written in Shabit.com by Arafine Natnal. I am posting it because I found it to be fitting for the 24th Eritrean independence day. The Eritrean people; the people of I CAN DO
    “ከቢረ ኮሪዐ ዝና ከትርፍ
    ጸጊበ ዓጊበ ብርግኣት ከዕርፍ
    ውረድ ደይብ ከየብሎ ሓሳበይ
    ከይመስል ጸለሎ ከይጽምሉ ገጸይ
    ከየቕለውሉው ብጭንቂ – ከይስእነሉ ዓቕሊ
    ሃሉ ሃሉ ንስኻ ህዝበይ!
    ጽኑዕ ሉዑል ህዝበይ
    ክቡር መምህር ጽንዓተይ
    ድልዱል ዋልታ መጸግዕየይ
    ንስኻ ኢኻ ንስኻ ጽላለይ
    ኴንካ ትነበር ግርማ ስልማተይ።
    ካብ ማህጸንካ ዝወጽእ ……… ተዓዲለ
    ጽንዓት
    ኣሰር ሒዘ ውርሻ ኣቦታት
    መሰረት ጉዕዞ ሓርነት ከኣ ዓቲረ
    ጸጋን ክብርን ካባኻ’የ ረኺበ
    ጽኑዕ ልዑል ህዝበይ….!
    ብርሃን ዝመጸ … ጸልማት ዝርሓቐ
    ሰላም ዝሓደረ ህውከት ዝበረረ
    ሓጎስ ዕልልታ ዝመጸ… ሓዘን ምስቁርቋር ዝወጸ
    ጽንዓትካ’ዩ… ጽንዓትካ ህዝበይ ዘኽኣለ።
    ጽንዓት
    ኣሰር ሒዘ ውርሻ ኣቦታት
    መሰረት ጉዕዞ ሓርነት ከኣ ዓቲረ
    ጸጋን ክብርን ካባኻ’የ ረኺበ
    ጽኑዕ ልዑል ህዝበይ….!
    ብርሃን ዝመጸ … ጸልማት ዝርሓቐ
    ሰላም ዝሓደረ ህውከት ዝበረረ
    ሓጎስ ዕልልታ ዝመጸ… ሓዘን ምስቁርቋር ዝወጸ
    ጽንዓትካ’ዩ… ጽንዓትካ ህዝበይ ዘኽኣለ።
    እምበር…
    ፈቲኖም ስቃይ ጥሜት ክወርደካ
    ሓሊኖም ረጊጾም ከድምዩኻ
    መንበርካ ኣዕንዮም ዘሪፎም ከቕብጹኻ
    ስድራቤት በቲኖም ሞት ዘርኣዩኻ
    ግን… ግን ንስኻ ኣይተንበርከኽካን
    ንስሱዕ ድሌቶም’ኳ ኣይደነንካን
    ጽኑዕ ልዑል ህዝበይ …!
    እምበር…
    ፈቲኖም ስቃይ ጥሜት ክወርደካ
    ሓሊኖም ረጊጾም ከድምዩኻ
    መንበርካ ኣዕንዮም ዘሪፎም ከቕብጹኻ
    ስድራቤት በቲኖም ሞት ዘርኣዩኻ
    ግን… ግን ንስኻ ኣይተንበርከኽካን
    ንስሱዕ ድሌቶም’ኳ ኣይደነንካን
    ጽኑዕ ልዑል ህዝበይ …!
    ሳላ ንዓኻ ዝሓዝኩ ረኺበ ጸጋ
    ሳላ ንዓኻ ዝኣመንኩ ርእየ ራህዋ
    መምህር ኢኻ መምህር ጽንዓተይ
    ዋልታ ኢኻ ዋልታ መጸግዕየይ
    ንስኻ ኢኻ… ንስኻ ወትሩ ጽላለይ
    ኴንካ ትነብር ግርማ ስልማተይ።
    ሳላ ንዓኻ ዝሓዝኩ ረኺበ ጸጋ
    ሳላ ንዓኻ ዝኣመንኩ ርእየ ራህዋ
    መምህር ኢኻ መምህር ጽንዓተይ
    ዋልታ ኢኻ ዋልታ መጸግዕየይ
    ንስኻ ኢኻ… ንስኻ ወትሩ ጽላለይ
    ኴንካ ትነብር ግርማ ስልማተይ።
    ኣረፋይነ ናትናኤል”
    ኣረፋይነ ናትናኤል

  • Shabbash Kerenite

    “We are number ONE in the African continent” Isaias Afwerki, AJE 2010.

    Dear Awate:
    You forgot to mention the use of internet in the country per capita, which is the lowest in the whole world.

  • dawit

    Greeting to all AT followers,
    Yes it is the month of May when Eritreans at home and abroad celebrate their independence with songs and dances. It is the time Eritreans look back of their history of struggle for independence and look forward to the
    promise of their country. They draw their past and future paths with bright colored crayon.

    It is also a month of May when Eritrean enemies and the sadists’ opposition is ashamed of their history,
    They hate to watch Eritreans enjoy celebrating their independence. They also draw their version of picture using the crayon, they use their dark colored crayon to draw the darkest pictures of Eritrea,

    It is also the month to ridicule the Eritrean people struggle, their leaders as demons and the Eritrean people as ‘Devil Worshiper’ and ‘Kebero Jenkies’. While the Eritrean Media monopolize the ‘Truth’ the countless opposition medias monopolize the “False and lies” distorting the truth about the country, its people and its leaders.

    Happy 24th. Celebration of their Independence to all Eritreans, residing inside and outside the country.

    • Tewelde G/mariam

      I concur with you that the enemies cannot bear the existence of the nation of Erutrea. The question you seem to have difficulty is with distinguishing who the enemies are. As a matter of fact, this is the issue which is the source of our deep division among patriotic Eritreans, of which the enemies are exploiting to gradually deface our sovereignty,

      Obviously, you are a supporter of isaias afewerki probably because you believed his rhetoric that the current crisis of our country and people is caused by external factors, who,as always claims, have not accepted the Eritreans Independence.

      However, even if we have to assume his unsubstantiated allegation, under such kind of external hostility, wouldn’t you think that by resorting to his unfettered tyranny and mafia stile leadership, he created the evolving social and economic catastrophy to the delight of his alleged ” external enemies?

      Given the our limited capacity , be it economy, miliary, people etc., if isaias afewerki had no evil motive against our sovereignty, his appropriate response to his perceived external hostility would have been legal and judicous, both in the international arena and at the local level. He showed none of that, instead he broke the international law, the eritrean constitution ,disrepected the UN agencies, the Eritreans people, all with impunity and vulgarity.

      If isaias afewerki is truelly what he is reputed for, exceptionall intelligence and that the independence of Eritrea is solely owing to his super intelligence, then the inference can only be this: he must have ingeniously created the current crisis, meaning he is the enemy within.

      On the other hand, if the current catastrophy our country and people have been going through is despite his genuine attempt, then he must have been a preposterous masquerader all along.

      I do not underestimate the damage be perpetrated by the ” opposition under the tutelage of woyane”, but those who are being deceived by the flattery of isaias afewerki must understand they are the unwitting catalist of their own demise.

      Even his current seemingly turn aroud must not dupe them into false excitement of promised land, he is doing what he is doing to undercut the investigation into his human right violation being conducted by the UN Human Right Commissions.

    • Peace!

      Dear Dawit,

      I agree that the West, West’s little darlin, and of course opposition complicity have miserably failed to bring Eritrea to its knees. As far as the geopolitics of horn Africa concerned, Eritrea and Eritreans will continue to pay heavy price regardless whether PFDJ or DIA or else rules the country.

      On the other hand, the opposition groups should be ashamed for not helping the helpless people. I think this month should be a month of insanity check for those countless groups that it become apparent MIHLELA year after year and forming new groups every month are not going to do the job. We have heared enough of sinking ship, the beginning of the end, the Country is Empty…and other naive judgments that have not produced Anything useful.

      The current status check box shows: The Eritrean people are giving up on the opposition groups, and countries and mining firms are also flocking into the country and making deals with DIA despite UN imposed sanction.

      The big question is, Where do we go from here?

      Regards

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear…

    Journalist: kibur wo Hifur President Isaias, your speech for the 25th independence anniversary hasn’t changed much in content from what you said 10 years ago, has it?

    PIA: We’ve come a long way. you can call it a preparatory period. We can now say we are in a better situation to make the change we always wanted. We can now confidently say that 3-5 yrs from now, it is going to be totally a different scenario.

    Journalist: You said the same thing 10 yrs ago…

    PIA: 10 yrs ago, we knew the world was not fair towards us but we didn’t know we would be the primary targets of the most powerful global actors in the worst way and scale. We didn’t know they would mobilize all their resources and facilities against us. We never thought of sanctions against us. 10 yrs ago, we always knew the Ethiopian minority ruling party had powerful benefactors. But we didn’t know, they would come themselves in the open in defense of this small clique and mess up the entire region. We’ve now learned our lessons in the past 10 yrs though we never paused building the nation. We now know where we can get in the next 10 yrs.

    Journalist: Yes, those promises, too, sound very familiar form your past speeches…But I want to ask you something else. Do you think you will retire in the next 10yrs?

    PIA: No. That has never crossed my mind, nor will in the future, as long as I’m alive…

    Journalist: Do you think you can die in the next 10 yrs?

    PIA: Never. What! What did you just say?

    Journalist: Nothing. We’re done Mr.President.

    PIA: What was the last question you just asked me?

    Journalist: That was nothing. I’ll come in 10 yrs and ask the same question. Long live.

    (PIA felt insecure. He asked his man, and instructed him to hotel-arrest the journalist and confiscate every recorded material he had from Eritrea and issue the entire tv crew personae non gratae right away)

  • Nitricc

    Well AT it depends how some one reads and understands the events of the last 10 years. For me; it is miracle the nation is still there and standing. I give them a credit for surviving a situation that was deadly combination; a lawless nation with the sea of enemy. When you lead a nation without the rule of law; disorder supposed take over and civil war supposed ensue. It did not. When your youth is leaving the country in droves; due to conspiracy of Eritrean activists; westerners plot and the Ethiopian government’s strategies; Eritrea supposed bleed to death. It didn’t happen. The country is relatively in a better situation than the last 10 years. You can add the illegal sanction and its effects on the government and when you process it all together; you kind of scratch your head and say; how do PFDJ survive? To tell you the truth I am grateful the nation is standing. And I am not going to apologize for giving the credit for PFDJ. Right or wrong they stood for what they believe and fought for it.
    But Prof. Mesfin summarized it best
    “ኢትዮጵያና አሜሪካ ብዙ ሰው ያልተረዳውና የሚያስደንቀው የአሜሪካ ዶላርና የአሜሪካ ጫና ኤርትራን ማንበርከክ አለመቻሉን ነው፤ ሎሌ ሆኖ ጌታ ከመምሰል ደሀ ሆኖ መከበር ይሻላል፤ (ፕ/ር መስፍን ወልደ ማርያም)”
    http://ecadforum.com/Amharic/archives/15043/

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitricc,

      I 2nd you on this. but I am not proud of that as you do. I still admire and wonder how they manage it.

      ኣነ ዝገርመኒ ንሓሶት ዘይህከዩን ዘይደኽሙን ምዃኖም እዩ :: ሓቀኛታት እንተዝኾኑ ሲ ኣበይ ምስ በጸሑ :: ድሓር ከኣ ” ኣሉ ቀጣን ” ዓይንኻ ድፍን በቃ!: እሞ ዝስዕስዕ ሲ ዘይስእኑ :- ሕጂ ኳ ፎኺሶም እምበር ነዚ ኩሉ ዓመታት ንገለ ብገበና -ንገለ ብግርህነታ – ንገለ ብጸቢብ ኣተሓሳስባኣ -ንግለ ንተጃራህነታ – ንገለ ብሕልማ —እናገላበጡ ኣድሪፎማ እዮም:: ኣየ ስብእነት!! እንታይ እሞ ሓቂ እንድያ ሓያል ኮይና ::

    • Hayat Adem

      Nitricc,
      eritrea is older than you; eritreans are larger than you. in better situation? because of the exodus and the refugee camps? because we now know lampedusa? because we now know sanctions? bemuse we now know the senai horror? because we now know the era’ero victims have perished and vanished? because we now know the money has fled too to the swiss caves? because we now know the border is unguarded and undemarcated and the ethiopians can bomb and conduct operations inside eritrea at will? or is because ia said he would wait for 40 yrs to allow elections? or because he told you threw the ratified const’n to the dust can and he said he would write a new one?, what exactly comes to your mind when you say the nation is better now than 10yrs ago?
      oh ya, they are “still there and standing” because there are people like you who support them. then the better questions is: how do they make you support them? they have many enemies because they make a lot of their own enemies by themselves. then the better question is how do people like you admire them for making an enemy situation and surviving that? the nation is a lawless in reality and as acknowledged by yourself. then the better question how does a supporter like you be happy because it hasn’t slipped yet into total disorder and chaos? you support pfdj because you are delighted the nation is still standing. then the better question is how can a supporter be happy his nation is standing while she is supposed to be moving forward? why don’t you shut up your mouth and dance in their guaylas instead of talking about stuff you have no clue about? one more thing: the quote you borrowed from that professor has an inverted validity: there is no power, pride and respect to be earned from poverty. all those three belong to the haves and the rich.

      • ‘Gheteb

        I have literally died of laughter (ብሰሓቕ ሞይተ) , HA,

        You say:

        ” why don’t you shut up your mouth and dance in their guaylas instead of talking about stuff you have no clue about? one more thing: the quote you borrowed from that professor has an inverted validity: there is no power, pride and respect to be earned from poverty. all those three belong to the haves and the rich.”

        You are commanding Nitricc to shut up his mouth. Really? And why would he oblige and do that? Is it because he is saying Eritrea is still standing to the utter dismay and consternations of those who predicted and dreamed that Eritrea will be no more? Could it be that Eritrea proved those who wanted more than anything else to see Eritrea on its knees by standing on its own two feet were actually daydreaming?

        And why would you say that Nitricc have no clue about the glaring fact that Eritrea is standing on its own two feet and not kowtowing with its hands stretched out begging. This is an unambiguously clear fact that anyone whose eyes are not blinded by anything and everything Eritrean can easily descry or see. No one needs clues or no clues to observe the shining sun and the sparkling stars on the Eritrean skies. Well, if you have been purblinded by the affliction known as “The Eritrean antipathy” then you may be incapable of seeing the glaring and sparkling Eritrean Sun and Stars and you will end up doing precisely what you are doing here: Telling Eritreans that all is doom and gloom in Eritrea.

        And, “that professor” happens to have a name which is “Mesfin Woldemariam” and what he has said about Eritrea is so true it has to elicit this reaction from you. I mean you have to end up not mentioning him by his name. There it is, HA. You let the cat out of the bag. Instead of saying professor Mesfin Woldemariam, you said “that professor’ revealing your anger at the professor for stating the truth and nothing but the truth about Eritrea, which for the record you are so allergic to.

        I mean you get headaches and migraines when you hear anything positive about Eritrea, I bet that you end up running to the kitchen to roast some coffee to make a “Habesha” BuN (coffee) and call your confederates who you may have on an speed dial for some commiserations, I mean, some comforting talk about how bad things are in Eritrea and how the Weyanes unlike the PFDJ are turning Ethiopia into an Earthly Eden.

        All in all, HA, your headaches and migraines about Eritrea are going to progressively increase as things are going to get better and better in Eritrea by the day. I am sorry to say this, but that the reality is that good news about Eritrea will continue to be coming in scads and your headaches and migraines will geometrically increase.

        • saay7

          Selamat Cuz Gheteb:

          If you had “literally died” you wouldn’t be able to compose a message. Dead men don’t write:)

          Minor obsession I have: people are constantly misusing the word “literally” when they mean to say “figuratively.” When they do that, it figuratively drives me insane:)

          Aqulu Qewli haza…wa, I leave in peace)

          saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Wo Cuz SAAY,

            You are right. But, but, but. Consider the second (2) meaning rendered below.

            lit·er·al·ly

            ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/

            adverb

            adverb: literally

            (1) in a literal manner or sense; exactly.”the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle”

            synonyms:exactly, precisely, actually, really, truly; More

            without question, unquestionably, indisputably

            “there are literally 214 colors available”

            informal

            (2) used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true
            .”I have received literally thousands of letters”

            I hope you see now where your Cousin ‘Gheteb’s point of departure might have been 🙂

          • saay7

            Hi Gheteb:

            You should watch the second video I linked: it not only states it is wrong but it explains WHY people continue to misuse it. He says this: story+ use of word “literally” –> real story. Real ness creates dramatic effect. So people figured out that to create dramatic effect all they have to do is used the word “literally” when the story they are telling did not literally happen.

            So unnecessary. I haven’t introduced the confusion added when people say literary when they mean to say literally which they had no reason to us anyway:)

            saay

          • ‘Gheteb

            Wo Cuz SAAY,

            You are only focusing on the first meaning, the formal meaning, of the word literally, which is

            1) in a literal manner or sense; exactly.”the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle.

            There is an informal second meaning for that word that even the OED ( Oxford English Dictionary) has added, I think as of 2011.

            2) used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true
            .”I have received literally thousands of letters”

            Another example: ‘we were literally killing ourselves laughing’.

            ‘I literally died laughing’ (ብሰሓቕ ሞይተ)

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2392586/Oxford-English-Dictionary-admits-used-wrong-sense-word-literally.html

            The point is that word usage and meanings are not static as they grow organically and thereby add more meanings. I think one can be a stickler and insist on usage (1). However, English words add meanings through correct or incorrect usages.

            What appears as a misuse of a word becomes more acceptable with time and hence the change from an informal meaning to a more standard or formal meaning of a word.

          • saay7

            Hey Cuz Gheteb:

            To quote Uncle Joe Biden: “thank you. literally.” 🙂

            I am literally at my wit’s end:)

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Deat Sal:
            IRREGARDLESS of Cuz Gheteb’s dazzling prowess he is literally and literary enjoys hyperbole, what is the name you had for me when I go hyperbole on you 😉

          • saay7

            Hi Cuz iSem:

            Ummmm…I don’t know what you just said because another pet peeve I have is the word “irregardless”. It’s not a word. And please, just like Cuz Gheteb, don’t go searching for a dictionary and has raised the white flag:)

            saay

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Sal:I think the fasting is taking its toll on you. Let us break the fast and let us be “kelib Romadan”;-)
            Yes, “Irregardless” is not a word and that was my point literary.;-)
            What people think the word accomplishes is already accomplished by “regardless”;-)

          • saay7

            Ha Semere:

            You won’t get any help from me to break your pledge. Oh, in this month of “Ghedli-romanticism”, it must be torture for you because with every fiber you have you are dying to blast away. Allahuma ini saym:)

            saay

          • Ted

            Dear Semere, You lost your zing without it. Hang in there, it will be over before you know it. How is independence party going in Toronto. Does the pledge include you not sabotaging it. Sorry for double post. Dear SJ can you help deleting it.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Ted:
            No, let me in a rare moment of braging to tell you that I can have lots of zing in the opposite too;-)

          • Semere Andom

            Sal:
            I am literally falling off my chair. You are wrong. I am loving it, pray that I do not become romantic and then you cannot stand me because I will romantically blast away 😉

          • saay7

            iSem:

            You have literally fallen off? Can you get up? If not, you may literally need this:

            http://youtu.be/bQlpDiXPZHQ

            saay

          • Ted

            Dear Semere, You lost your zing without it. Hang in there, it will be over before you know it. How is independence party going in Toronto. Does the pledge include you not sabotaging it.

          • selam

            Dear saay
            John oliver is a comedian with less to define the word, besides have you ever clicked on urban dictionary?
            Just for you , the word literally is just on course to be used for the next generation in american way not British way.

          • saay7

            Hi Selam:

            Well, no, I hadn’t checked with urban dictionary but now that you mentioned it, I did, and they say the same thing I said, except that they use colorful language to make it:

            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=literally&utm_source=search-action

            saay

          • selam

            Dear saay
            The colour is quite unique to define words meaning. I can not believe you will hold the word as a glass. It is internationally recognized word for extrem comparison . You better start to adopt to the new way of using unless you wil be left alone. I am new to english but I can tell you the word is far away from your comedian definition.
            Where do you think it matters in congress or your funny man ? Just to tell you 1

    • Amanuel

      Hi who ever is Nitricc
      First, you are sleeping with the enemy. Pro. Mesfin, even doesn’t accept Eritrean independence.
      Second the main reason why PFDJ is still in power is due to the Eritrean people patience and resilience and of course, huge investment on spying.

      • Ted

        Dear Amanuel, “why PFDJ is still in power’ it is not because of our patience, it is all run out long time. Ask people the fingers pointing at you. You the opposition people squandered our precious time and almost destroyed trust among us.
        That aside, if you have non vindictive brain you will consider the following and change your destructive ways.
        What is going for The opposition
        1) the Eritrean strong need for change more than ever in our short history.
        What is Going For PFDJ.
        1) Disorganized opposition divided in line of old politics, religion and region.
        2) Smarter than before handling international pressure and communications.
        3)Capital and power against any oppositions.
        4) diplomatic footing in some part of the world.
        5) Increased economic and diplomatic gains form mining and other business.
        The fight against PFDJ for change is not going to be easier as time goes by. It is now or never situation. We can make them change their ways if we can contain our energy under one umbrella.

        • Amanuel

          Hi Ted
          First I was replying to Nitricc and didn’t expect you to jump in start talking about finger pointing which I have no idea what you are going about. I don’t support the regime and not a member of organised opposition so I am not responsible what ever the opposition is accused of.
          As the patience and resilience I was mainly referring to Eritreans in side country.It is my opinion and I think it didn’t reach the tipping point yet.
          The second point is the regime spends heavly in protecting his power whether it is on intelligence and diplomacy and that scares people off contemplating uprising.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Aman so what does it take to reach to that tipping point? We are told the country is dead. One thing is for sure Eritrea is on all out attack. What I read on Tesfa News about the coordinated sabotage against the youth is amazing. I will wait and will unload about it. Even the paster is on it.
            I knew about Elesa and Meron but a paster? Wow!

          • Pass the salt

            Nitricc Selam’s bro,
            And why do you take Tesfa News’ claim at face value? Do you trust them more than AT? Because AT would tell you it is false.

          • selam

            Dear pass the salt
            I can see pass the coffee is not working for you. Why are being two Gender. Would it be ok for you to drink your coffee in Gonder with out looking to the shores of the north. It would give you great joy for your own good. Salt never meddle in between acid and base.

          • haileTG

            Hey Nitricc,

            Is that redseafisher again!! Weriduwo tesfaynews… here is the blogger/speculator Red sea fisher:

            https://redseafisher.wordpress.com/2013/03/

            It was two years ago, telling us it was actually Obama doing the kidnapping!! click on the right pane and enjoy his wild speculations, even Jehan Kahsay wasn’t spared:)

            Regard

            PS: I wish we can take that guy to Jebena and ehm ehm… give him some of that stuff… you know what I mean 🙂

          • saay7

            Hey Haile TG:

            What do you by “his wild speculations”? Don’t you mean to say “her wild speculations”? 🙂

            saay

          • haileTG

            Haha saay,

            I am staying put on the good side of my friend Bayan:) keytegagyeni:-)

          • saay7

            Ha! Hailat:

            Forensic prose continued….

            Nah, the Red Sea Fisher (Simon) is actually shares only one thing in common with the female who shares his last name: he is long-winded. But aren’t we all? 🙂 He uses only a fraction of her adjectives; he is more inviting in his prose (he would say “isn’t it time for the world to change its tack with Eritrea?” whereas you-know-who is never in doubt of anything and the prose is all imperatives: she would pound the podium and order “its long past due for the world to change its tack with Eritrea!” Finally, while he is comfortable getting close to the libel line, she plays hopscotch with it:)

            saay

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile TG; thanks for the link. Oh my; I did not know the article was that old. This is the first time I am seeing it. There are many points on the money. Let me contemplate on it and I will have plenty to say. Thanks again.

          • tes

            Dear Nitricc,

            That is how they deceive you. They know their followers are dump and dumping any article is all ok for a dump and blind worshipers?

            Oh, your Tigrigna and Amharic skills progressed in a linear and +89 degree. What is the secret?

            tes

          • Amanuel

            Hi Nitricc
            It is very difficult to know when will reach the tipping point. It is like the oldest son abusing the whole family and the youngest kids decided to leave the house and watch from afar. Mum and Dad are torn, they don’t want to give up on him and strangle him because he is their oldest son and he is also ruthless and powerful comparing to them and doesn’t hesitate to use force in any disagreement. However, they also don’t want to watch things going from bad to worst and destroying their family. Worst is that the relatives and his brothers and sisters couldn’t agree on how to handle him. What do you think mum and dad option? First pray so he will come to his sense, if not they wish he will die of some sort of disease because they don’t want him brutally killed by his brothers, which is their worst nightmare.
            As per Tesfanesw haileTG said it all.