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Kenya: Eritreans and a US$3.4 Million Burlap Swindle

How many Jute plants does it take to make US$3.4 million worth Jute bags? The Kenyan Fraudsters didn’t have to worry about that; they just swindled the amount by pulling jute fibers over the eyes of some Eritrean victims.

Eritreans are not new to Kenya; a few call the country home since a long time. But over the last twenty years their numbers multiplied. Some settled there while others used the country as a steppingstone and ventured further to other countries. A few have become successful businessmen in countries extending from South Sudan to South Africa. Abeba Weldemichael and Hussein Osman, veterans of the Eritrean struggle, stayed in Kenya.

Recently the Kenyan press reported a story of a team of businessmen who allegedly swindled some Eritreans of their own money, and funds provided by financiers in a deal they believed “was a golden business opportunity.” The dream of profits turned into nightmares.

In 2015, a Mr. Mwaura told Abeba he has secured a tender for the supply of millions of jute bags to the Ministry of Defense and needed financiers.

Abebe Weldemichael reached out to her struggle era colleague Ambassador Haile Menkerios and told him she knew a connected “Kenyan businessman with contracts to supply jute bags to the military but needed financiers.”She was sure he wouldn’t turn them down.

Menkerios was Eritrea’s ambassador to Ethiopia and later to the UN before he broke with the Eritrean government in 2000.

Abeba Weldemichael and Hussein Osman together with the Kenyan Mr. Mwaura are directors of Winta Trading Company Ltd. Menkerios met Mwaura and as agreed on the deal.

Menkerios says, “I did my best to help Abeba and Hussein raise the investment needed for the business opportunity,” supposedly funding a contract of tender floated by the Kenya Ministry of Defense for the supply of jute bags.

Ambassador Menkerios then reached out to some friends in the USA and convinced them to help finance the deal. They agreed to invest provided he represents their interest in the deal. Menkerios transferred the first small investment he collected from Eritreans and international investors to the account of Winta Trading Company Ltd.

Gradually, the deal that started with a modest amount reached a total investment of USA$3.4 million. Worse, “receiving the returns on the investment became cumbersome and the excuses for that were awkward.”  Repeatedly they told Mr. Menkerios “the payments have been delayed by the government.” But as time went by, the investors pressured Menkerios to get their money, “they were in this deal because they trusted me” Menkerios said. That is when he said he decided to ask, “for the case to be investigated.”

Kenyan authorities have confirmed that the documents presented by the Kenyan businessmen about the alleged contracts are not authentic. And the Mumias sugar company that supposedly signed a contract for the supply of jute bags denied there was a contract with the Doc Find company, another cubicle in the labyrinth.

So far, the investigation to find the 300 million Kenyan shilling has reached nowhere and four Kenyans including  Mr. Francis Mureithi, are under investigation in relation to the fraud in the alleged Ministry of Defense tender.

Asked if he was under investigated, Menkerios said, “I am part of those requesting an investigation, not being investigated as some misinformed or with ill political intention- have chosen to allege.” He added, “I asked the Kenyan ministry of defense who said they don’t owe anything and that the case should be investigated for fraud and I joined the call for an investigation.”

Mr. Menkerios has a formidable enemy in the Eritrean government whose embassy in Nairobi is exploiting the case to besmirch his name. So far, the case has been circulating in Eritrean circles alleging “Haile Menkerios is being investigated in a fraud case in Kenya.” However, the Kenyan press has reported he is among those who demanded an investigation on the case.

Mr. Menkerios was the Special Representative of the Secretary General and Head of UN office of the African Union in Addis Ababa, before he retired.  

He was also a member of the G-15, a group of fifteen senior Eritrean government officials who openly criticized the Eritreans president Isaias Afwerki and his government for maladministration and for refusing to hold elections. The president responded by arresting all the signatories; only those who were abroad, including Menkerios, escaped arrest. To date, no one knows the whereabouts of his colleagues who were arrested two decades ago, including Petros Solomon and Mahmoud Sheriffo who are jailed together with their wives—they were not able to see any of their children or family members since their arrest two decades ago.

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  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ኣነ ጸላእኩ
    ላንጋ-ላንጋ
    ጋንታ ይቕይሩ
    ከም ዝጸነሖም ዕዳጋ

    ሎሚ ምሳይ
    ጽባሕ ምስ ደበሳይ
    ኣብ ዝመስየካ ምምሳይ
    መትከል-ኣልቦ
    ምስሸጥዋ ሓቦ
    ጠፊእዎም መዓልቦ

    ናብራኦም ናብራና ኣይግበሮ

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awate Nation,

    Since history is written by the victorious, it has never been a complete. It is always partial. Goethe, the 18th Century German writer is reported to have said the following:

    “Not all that is presented to us as history has really happened; and what really happened did not actually happen the way it is presented to us; moreover, what really happened is only a small part of all that happened. Everything in history remains uncertain, the largest events as well as the smallest occurrence.”

    Generally, history is written wrong. That is why it is written, rewritten, rewritten by historians continuously. The Eritrean people should be aware about this truth, that any history written by PFDJites is either it is not true or not complete, and is written to serve their own ends. Just a reminder!

    Regards

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      Selamat Prof. Emma
      Specially HGDF’s history. We can see in front of our eyes deleting our heroes history, during Fenqil and alike.
      HGDF’s of history >95% of fabricated lie.
      No offense to those who studied history but I am glad I didn’t.
      Abi,
      Easy on me now.

      • Abi

        MM
        History classes should be abolished from universities and colleges. Nobody should pay to study history. You should be paid handsomely to attend history classes over happy hour. It should be a hobby or extracurricular activity.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Abi,
          Now, you are going to put me in real trouble.
          I used to have a quantum mechanics prof. who used to say “buy the whole encyclopedia and get rid of the social science departments and save some space”. Not money but space 🙂

          • Abi

            MM
            Buy google and forget about it!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            By the day you are sounding more of Sheldon Cooper, the theoretical physicist on TV 🙂
            Do you know what he calls those Geologists? People who study stones 🙂
            Just to be fair, he is also not a fun about engineering.

    • David Samson

      Selam Emma,

      There is not one version history of Eritrea, rather are many. Mind you, the many faces of Eritrea have their own versions, at times contradicting each other. Some want to start in the 1940s, others wish to go as far back 700BC. The 1940s version
      has only worked because we did not have other means of knowing or challenging
      it as it was narrated by a single source. Since the advent of the NET, many
      others have challenged and will continue to challenge this version. I can only say
      Kudos—it enriches us. What a bone of contention is when a version is adapted into the national curriculum. It is highly unlikely Eritreans would agree with any
      version

      In the meantime, If I were, to sum up, the history of Eritrea in a single paragraph: The history of Eritrea is the biography of a single person named IA. Since autobiography or biography—from cradle to grave— are dull and boring, and no many readers would be interested to follow it, we can spice it up with: IA is sent by the CIA and HS to sabotage the Eritrean revolution. He hails from the royal family of Timbien. He ultimate objective is to create Tigray-Tigrgni Empire or to return the
      lost glory of the Axumite empire(As per your version).

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Dave,

        I can’t agree more, Dave. You summarized it in a nutshell.

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam David Samson,

        Wow, that is really good severely spiced up version of historical rendition. Amanuel Hidrat likes it. I like it. It tastes good.
        Do other Awatistas have equal rights to put down their versions. I will pass on that, since others can come up with even better tasting story, with creativity.

        Since it is Friday and I cannot attach u-tube or articles, I will indulge totally ignoring our above article. David Samson pushed me, that is my excuse.
        In addition, since in the U.S there is an on going civil unrest, claiming a historical grievance rooted some 300-400 years ago, it is time.

        In late 60 and early 70s in my college, there was a push by some African Americans in the U.S to learn more about their history. Fresh from Addis Ababa, I said to myself in private, oh! why?. I am so glad I was quiet then.

        I can say almost all Africans were, by grace of God, a couple of steps away from being enslaved in the near past. (our great grand parents)
        If the foreigners didn’t make it to our neighborhood, your distant cousins could have sold you or enslaved you themselves.
        Centuries later, 21st century, it is infuriating to learn about the victim hood of your ancestors and the cruelty of man to man.
        It still goes on in different forms and different areas, but that is another history being made.

        One can go further back, if interested, to the time where the distinction between man and animal is vague, so to speak.
        That would have been a rather interesting and gripping history. Man against lion, hyenas and bears and came up on top. I would have loved to read the diary of a Dad looking after his families along with other unreliable Dads to avoid being eaten and survive. All that maneuver and luck on their part is directly linked to us now individually.
        For all our curiosity to know our past relatives with a ball park stories and conversation piece values, history is still victors story. Too much time should not be wasted on it. Let us just muster our efforts and time on making good history here and now. So says an indulgent man.

        Thanks David.

        Mr. K.H

        • Haile S.

          Selam Kim,

          Thanks for the invitation.
          History by the winner is Jubilation
          History by the looser is Lamentation
          History by the historian is Equilibration – french word & means balancing.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            You accepted the invitation
            To enrich us with explanation
            Glad to have you at Awatenation
            Let me do my ululation
            እልልልልልል victorious elation!

          • Hashela

            Selam

            No lamentation
            No jubilation
            a sober consideration
            let’s start with the deconstruction
            Laying out a foundation
            for an inclusive construction

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Approved your improvisation
            With admiration
            without reservation!
            አቢ ቅንቴሽን!

          • Hashela

            Abi

            grateful for the prompt, generous, and eagerly awaited approval without which I would have a sleepless night!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            You are so kind.
            I never expected anybody eagerly waiting for my response . I always expect people ignore my zibazinke.
            Thanks a million.
            ዳንክሸን:)

          • Hashela

            Aby

            see, you are too humble!

          • Abi

            Yeah right!

          • Sultan

            Holly molly Guaddu!
            Ere Betesekelew enna Mottin Bashenefew Gheta!
            Just pouring them out of blue and spontaneously ?
            I thought u were an Expert on Amharic Poems only!

      • Sultan

        Selam Dawit:
        You confidently declared:
        “ In the meantime, If I were, to sum up, the history of Eritrea in a single paragraph: The history of Eritrea is the biography of a single person named IA. Since autobiography or biography—from cradle to grave— are dull and boring, and no many readers would be interested to follow it, we can spice it up with: IA is sent by the CIA and HS to sabotage the Eritrean revolution. He hails from the royal family of Timbien. He ultimate objective is to create Tigray-Tigrgni Empire or to return the
        lost glory of the Axumite empire(As per your version).”!
        Your sarcasm aside, you are off limit!
        In a single statement , the Eritrean history can be summed up as:
        “ Fighting, enduring , perseverance and WINNING against all ODDs including trashing down IA and his evil agenda and his evil empire’s sponsorship”!

        • David Samson

          Selam Sultan,

          “Off the limit”

          In the early 90s, the Wohayo groupie was going around the house in my area. Three of them had visited my flat. I was told to fork out money. I told them, in principle, I do not have any objection giving money as part of my ሃገራዊ ግዴታ። since I raised an objection and was expected to bow to their demand, one of them said to me: ክትቓወም ትኰል ኢኳ ግን መጀመርታ ሃገራዊ ግዴታ ኣማልአ።

          Whenever I lock horns with Nus groupie, this quotation flushes on my mind, and I could not help myself but to laugh. Lots of people think I am being sarcastic, but little did they know my mind is always flush to this incident. I sometimes laugh to myself when I came across it.

          IA is the judge, the jury, the landlord, the tenant, the president, the state, the kingmaker. IA decides who and how to oppose him. He also decides the venue for us.

          It seems to me we have not moved an inch since that time. I see you lecturing and telling people in what way or how to oppose Nsu. You have set up your own parameters and expecting people to bow to your demand, like the girl I quoted above.

          You seem to forget that this is an opposition site. People can oppose Nsu in whatever method suit them. You can give a lip service to support or oppose IA, but do not expect others to
          bow to your whims. You are the one who is off the limit.

          • Sultan

            Selam David:
            Again, you are off limit!
            I did not prescribe people how to oppose but rather we are being prescribed and instructed how to oppose issu!
            I have opposed that worse than PFDJ style discrimination, intimidation and character assassination as well as defamation here in this site claiming to be a “ Champion” of Reconciliation , Rapprochement, etc…

            Opposing and criticizing the grossly anti-ERITREA style of opposition based on facts and truth is not asking others to bow to my whims.

            We, the alleged PFDJ Apologists, have been the victims of what you are wrongly accusing me, fully knowing that it has been the authors , the editors and the Moderators and most of the self-appointed opposition members of this Forum, who have been .
            You have to direct that accusation to them.
            Teg Mahmuday repeatedly appealed to the forum and the AT to stop abusing others, who do not buy their products here.
            Bring up a single prescription I asked others to bow to whims!

            Of course, you have to do your obligation in order to get your rights to be respected.

            The 2% Rehab Tax was to bring up the nation from the ashes and was a “ Law” passed by the then Eritrean Cabinet and Parliament.

            Paying an average of $200-300 per year is the minimum a citizen could do no matter who is ruling the nation.
            U can make up excuses like the 2% tax used to go or will go to Al Shebab bla bla in order to cover up your greediness or weakness…
            FYI:
            I was part of the 2% rehab tax task force in Washington DC in 1990s while the euphoria was FRESH and only 29% of Eritreans in N America were paying that minimum 2% rehab tax.
            I just feel guilty for not being up to date with 2% taxes!

            Either pay it or shut up!
            Worse, you can lobby to block the very essential $100 million EU Development Fund for essential infrastructure in Eritrea and claim yourself to be a concerned Opposition.
            And I have an obligation as a concerned citizen, to criticize and challenge you and your wicked style opposition since you are jeopardizing the interest of the needy nation and people by EXECUTING the ultimate bloody enemy of Eritrea, aka,THE TPLF, the very original Engineer and Crafter of the sanctions, economic, political and diplomatic sabotages including the sanctions on the 2% rehab tax fully supported by its powerful Western Masters.

            If you deny these facts, by default, you are “An Anti-Eritrea Opposition”!, until proven otherwise.

            If such criticism of such wicked opposition is called expecting others to bow to my whims, let it be.
            And if you can’t

          • David Samson

            Selam Sultan,

            I do not know where to begin as you all over the places.

            I had to put with this kind of Hateta in the 90s, but I have come a long way since then. I do not have the energy nor desire to debate over the difference between Eritrea and IA. They are the same but call them by different names.

            “I was part of the 2% rehab tax task force in Washington
            DC in the 1990s while the euphoria was FRESH and only 29% of Eritreans in N America were paying that minimum 2% rehab tax.

            I just feel guilty for not being up to date with 2% taxes!”.

            If I live and pay my taxes in DC area, I will start a legal
            proceeding against you and the criminal organisation you belonged and would start to recover the money I paid plus interest dues.

            It is illegal to pay tax twice in two different countries. Have you heard “Double Tax Treaty”? The UK government does not have
            any type of tax agreement with Eritrea. Therefore, I should pay twice in two different jurisdictions. Is this fair? Forget the crap of being Eritrean or paying taxes makes me more Eritrean. No one in the world will take away the fact that I was born in Eritrea and will die as Eritrean. I am always Habesha first. My ancestors have lived in this land called Eritrea for a millennium. Ghedli and the Shifta government in Asmara would not take this fact. According to my PFDJ friends, my debt owed mounts to £50k. Do you think that I would pay a penny of it? No chance! You can take away my Eritrean identity paper. Who wants Eritrean ID and passport while I can have the most precious Queen’s passport?

            Thanks to IA, we have been spared from this mafia tax
            since the British government gave an ultimatum to the then Ambassador Wedi Gherahtu to stop this extortion.

          • Consolation

            David Samson,

            Your characterization of the 2% tax as an extortion or mafia tax is a whooping lie. Nobody forces anyone to pay. If you don’t want to pay, then you have no rights as an Eritrean. That is your choice. The Eritrean embassy in London may have stopped collecting the tax because the British government demanded it, but that doesn’t mean that the tax has been abolished for Eritreans who reside in Great Britain. They just have to find their own way. All the British government did was make it difficult for those who want or have to pay. So stop telling subtle lies.

          • Sultan

            Dawit:

            I did not ask you to respond to my hatters.
            You went off limit the third time in a row!
            Paying or not paying a 2% rehab tax is not a precondition for Eritrean citizenship but to get some service in Eritrea.
            No one has forced you at a gun point to pay that minimum $ compared to the 20% US Federal Tax.
            If your queen has the guts or courage, why can’t she do same thing to her Boss, the USA, what she she did to the Eri Embassy?
            Sue me for paying the 2% or being part of the Noble Cause ?

            Menghidi Cherki yigberleka!

            Bring it ya Coward wahid.

            Eritreans have sacrificed their lives but you et al could not sacrifice few pennies for the benefit of the needy nation and people by making up weird and fake excuses and stories.

          • David Samson

            Selam Sultan,

            “Bring it ya Coward wahid.”

            Mind your language!

            Recently, I told you I am glad you skipped Ghedli as you would
            have been another statistic for IA’s adventures. You did not understand when I made the remark on Eritrean history as the history of IA.

            If anyone is a coward, it perfectly fits you. By your own admission, you did a runner to Gonder.

          • Sultan

            Dawit:
            Who gave you a preferential privilege to use the language you have used?
            Dude:
            I didn’t run to Gonder.
            I went to school to GCMS and the matured EPLF Jemahir and Intelligence Agents escorted me safely .
            FYI:
            I did my minimum obligation by working at the max security headquarters of the enemy, without going to details, beyond paying the miniature 2% even though am still a bit behind.
            Are u suffering from the Guilty feeling?
            YirdaAka!

          • David Samson

            Selam Sultan,

            You do not want me to call Ras Abi as a witness. Please read
            what you wrote on this site a while back.

            I do not know how many volumes of IA’s history will be written. Your contribution to IA longevity might be acknowledged as a single sentence in the obscured chapter.

          • Sultan

            Dawit:
            It was for the EXACT reason you stumbled about I repeated exactly what I said a while back!
            The contribution of your mercenary and SELL OUT opposition,in fact, has been the major contribution for the “success” of your nightmare and that of your masters,PIA!
            Your sell out opposition was part and parcel of the evil TPLF Agend to make a failed State of Eritrea!
            And contrary to your assertion, irrespective of his crimes and failures and alleged agendas , it has been the same crookedly SMART PIA,who has kept Eritrea and its Sovereignty INTACT against all odds by burying 10 feet below the ground and quarantining all the evil axis(es) and by destroying the Evil Alliances against Eritrea and making ERITREA TALLER and STRONGER than ever, simple and gross facts on the ground!

          • Abi

            David
            The chief lie detector says “ You are telling the Truth!”

          • Sultan

            Your “Honor” Chief Detective:
            And the truth is:
            Quote“When I was on my Summer vacation in my home village,from Medical School, the Chief EPLF Cadre/Intelligence Officer spotted me being a rare appearance and presence there and surrounded our house with his compatriots and interrogated me and since he knew enough about me besides being the oldest son of one of the Village Quaderes /Local Chiefs of Haffash wudubat and “ Spy Agents/ and Fedayyin”, he advised and encouraged me to complete my studies and reassured me to relax ;and finally he escorted me with his well armed few “Elite Commando” members stationed around that locality during the night to the well secured and guarded gates of KEREN CITY on my way back to Gonder”!
            Proud of them but lost 3 of them just before the Liberation and the Chief Cadre( Bichirr)few weeks before the TOTAL liberation of Eritrea at Adirba , few Km up the Hill from Keren while chasing out the Derghi Commando accompanied and guided/ escorted by the notorious Traitors, the Weddogehebas”!

          • Hashela

            Selam Sulatn

            I know እድርባ very very well, though not my village.

          • Abi

            Your Excellency King Sultan
            What is interesting in your story is that the eplf chief in your locality advised you and even encouraged to complete your education during those difficult times.
            Couple of years forward, the big Kahuna shut the only university down during peaceful times.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            “Couple of years forward, the big Kahuna shut the only university down during peaceful times”.

            it shows and highlights the difference between EPLF and IA. The former destroyed by the latter.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            He is very vengeful towards everything that breathes.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            As he revealed himself during his visits to Ethiopia, his emotional attachment to the latter is much more stronger than to the country he claims to represents. As a typical Ethiophile, he believes Eritrea has to be weakened and destroyed so that Ethiopia can flourish.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I have said this several times before that he was ready to be leader of the two countries except
            1) Meles ( Tplf) showed him the door and told him to close it tightly when he leaves
            2) you ( Eritreans) got in the way looking forward to establishing your own country.
            Now, as vengeful as he has always been, you are paying the price, and Tplf has to be buried alive.

            Eritrea doesn’t have to be weakened for Ethiopia to flourish. They are not mutually exclusive. He knows it . He just wants to cause the most pain. He is sick.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            I conditionally agree.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            happily accept the passing grade.

          • Hashela

            Abi

            how do you call ኣርሕዶ in Amharic?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            ጠቦት is probably what you are looking for. But in case there is another word, let me define to Abi ኣርሕዶ = ያላገባች ፍየል. 🙂 🙂 :-).

          • Hashela

            Haile

            please keep in mind, whenever Abi sees or hears about ፍየል he sees ጥረ ስጋ!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            የፍየል ልጃገረድ!
            ፍየላችሁን ለፍየላችን ስጡን:: ዘመድ እንሆናለን!
            አንጀቴን አፈረስከው:):):)
            የማትወልድ ፍየል/በግ ምን ትባላላለች?

          • Hashela

            Abi

            “ፍየላችሁን ለፍየላችን ስጡን:: ዘመድ እንሆናለን!”
            still laughing!!

          • Abi

            Me too. “ያላገባች ፍየል”.

          • Hashela

            Your ability to smell a bite is amazing!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            ሳያሸቱ መጉረስ አይነካካኝም:)

          • Hashela

            Abi

            thanks for the extended lung massage. It was much needed!

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Same here. I laughed so hard.
            Every time I see ኣርሕዶ I remember you guys.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው

            መኻን ፍየል/በግ? ኣላውቀውም። ወጠጤ ካልሆነ በስተቀር።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ወጠጤ ብብቱ የሚቀረና ያላገባ ፍየል ነው::
            የማትወልድ ፍየል/በግ መሲና ትባላለች::
            የፈታች ፍየል ምን ትባላለች?

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ኣሁን ደግሞ ምን ልታመጣብኝ ነው! ባልቴት ትባል ይሆን? 🙂 🙂

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ባልቴትማ በእድሜ ለገፋች ሴት ነው::
            እኔማ ምን አውቄ ?
            ቀንዳም እንበላት? ቀንዳም በእንግሊዝኛው ምንድን ይሆን?

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            በኞኞ-ስልት፡ ከማን ጋ ልታጣላኝ ኣስበህ ይሆን?

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ከእረኛው ነዋ! ከፈጣሪውማ ቆየህ እኮ ከተጣላህ::
            ” ከመሃሙድ እንዳታጣሉኝ” አለ ዻውሎስ ኞኞ!

          • Haile S.

            እንደም ኣደሩ ጀታው፡

            በጣፋጩ ኣርእስት, cul-de-sac (የጆንያ ቂጥ) (መዓኮር ክሻ፡ impasse) ነክተናል። ተመልሰን ወደ ሌላ እንሂድ።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ታዲያ የስልቻ ቂጥ ብንለውስ ፍየሏን እንዲጨምር?
            ኧረ ተው በሰንበቱ ዳዊቴን ልድገምበት!

          • David Samson

            Selam Abi,

            “I have said this several times before that he was ready to be the leader of the two countries except”

            You have been very slow to digest the concept of two countries.
            Mama Ethio was the country before 91. Eritrea was technically a province of Ethiopia.

            I forget the name of an Oroma leader who was part of the London conference, but this Oroma chap, along with Dr Kassa and Dawit Woldghegis, had confirmed that there were talking setting up a provisional government, where IA as its head. Wedi Afom was smiling and happily accepted the honour, but Meles said no, no. I am a more smart and capable leader to manage Mama Ethio. He told IA to look after the minnow partner. What we do not know is if the deal went ahead, is the shape and type of government.

            Meles also told Paul Heinz that he would not expect Eritrea to be a viable nation since the country religious divide is too much to bridge. Sooner or later Meles will taker over once IA has done all the damage for him, but only to fold it under his wing. Meles knew IA had contempt for Eritrean people. He even tried to delay
            the referendum. Nature has its own say but IA has lived to still dream, and the rest is history as the saying goes.

            On a personal note: I understand IA’s unbound appetite for glory and power. Leaving aside the moral side of his actions, what is in for a dictator if he doe not have a dream beyond anyone sane person could comprehend? He might as well be a monk.

          • Abi

            David
            I believe the Oromo guy was Lencho Letta.
            I think we are talking the same thing. Anyway, I will try to speed up a bit.

          • David Samson

            Selam Abi,
            I think Letta may one of the many participants, but I will get the name of the person who spoke Amharic with no accent.
            What weird! City lost to Leicester at home by heavy margin.The Arabs patience might be covered by the Cov-19’s mask.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David and Abi,

            I started watching football and with out the fans it feels like practice. I couldn’t wait and watch the entire game.

            On the other hand, I walk up at 4:30 am to watch Imola World Championships and I couldn’t even take a break for one minute and watched the whole 5 hours. Ok May be I was catching up some sleep in between but fir sure not the last two hours.

            There were three Eritreans with three teams different teams representing Eritrea but one didn’t make it due to visa issue.

            Both Merhawi (Astana) finished 67.
            Amanuel (NTT former DD) finished 69
            Natnael (Cofidas) didn’t participate.

            Total participates were 156.

            All three will participate at the Giro which starts next week.

            Berhe

          • David Samson

            I was the biggest fun of Tour De France. In fact, I went to the Alps and Pynesess to watch live cycling. But this was well before the Scandal of Lance Armstrong. Who could forget the ever enduring Miguel Induráin, Marco Pantone and, Jan Ullrich?

            The sprinting between Chipolini and Abdul Japarove was one of the classics ever to be seen in the history of the tour. I stayed up until 4 am to get a glimpse of the sprinters. Without a doubt, I do not think I will ever witness the rivalry between the two giants of the sprinters. Since the scandal of Lance Armstrong, I have lost interest in the tour. Last year or the year before, Daniel won the white jersey and made us proud so. The good legacy of Italy has refused to die down despite the onslaught by Ghedli.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi David,

            Before I sign off I want to share this documentary of Daniel Teklehaimanot journey to the tour.

            He wore the polka dot jersey for four days.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2cuMvnpxW38

            Considering what he has to go through to continue to race, as an Eritrean and not seeking asylum, like most would have, has made what’s possible today. Specially after he was dealing with rare complicated health problems, it’s really admirable.

            He has inspired generations of young Eritreans who will continue his legacy.

            I hope he will transition his skills and experience smoothly towards training and coaching others and build a lasting business to continue to make a difference.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You watched 5 hr of cycling?
            You are really a patient person.
            Those Eritreans did great! Hopefully they do better next competition.
            What happened to Daniel? Retired?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Watching cycling every Sunday was a ritual from the day that I can remember growing up in Asmara.

            I watched this race because there were Eritreans were participating and it was early where I can afford to sneak in, otherwise I have something to do or wife have some plans:).

            Here is a highlight.

            https://youtu.be/46hdCgWG_cQ

            The Eritreans will be at Giro next week and I intend to watch where I can.

            BTW, I plan to watch tomorrow game.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Wife has some plans? Of course, she has some plans. I wonder what would be that plan at 4am in the morning?

          • Hashela

            Abi

            is there an emoji for shaking the head 🙂

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I don’t know. There must be one for nodding. Try that instead.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Not that kind of plan, that’s way before 4 am.

            I was talking about during the day:).

            BTW, Daniel I don’t know if he is with any pro team. I know he was released from Cofides in 2019 and not sure if he is with any other team.

            He had a good run, 10 years since he went pro in Europe.

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Berhe
            Do you remember Feshazion, Salmbeni Carmello? Wedi 4, Gegante?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,

            I know those cyclist during Derg times, when cycling resumed. Some of the old timers made a comeback and use to cycle when it was opened.

            I remember Salmbini Carmelo. Is it Fsehazion Gubsa?

            I don’t think Wedi4 and Gegante were there, I only know their names mentioned.

            I know Zereghabir until Yemane Tekeste and anyone in between.

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Hi Berhe,
            The cyclists that mentioned were before Derg. After Derg, I lost the appetite.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Brhan,

            You missed the fun. In the eighties sport was one way we were showing our solidarity to Eritrean independence, be it cycling or football. Any opportunity we get to shout “wesede ere beAl sire”.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            David
            A great example why the premier league is different from the farmer leagues throughout Europe.
            Tomorrow’s game is a must watch.

          • Sultan

            Dawit:
            Can you provide objective evidence ?
            Who tried to delay the Referendum?
            30 yrs old gossip?
            I know PIA mentioned a possible kind of integration with Ethiopia and now Mesfin telling us something after 30 yrs.
            I also heard PM Tamrat Layne mentioning about the future possible integration but after Eri Independence though.
            Am amused that u skipped the evil agenda of the TPLF and its “ Visionary Leader” on Eritrea.
            Am for a mutual Economic Integration, an inevitable NECESSITY sooner or later , a Mother Nature’s Law!

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            This time you can’t blame Tplf. They opted out for independent Ethiopia. If they didn’t, the independence of Eritrea would have remained a pipe dream.
            ሰርጋችሁን ደግሶ ( referendum), የጎጆ መውጫ ብጤ ሸጎጥ አድርጎላችሁ በሆታና በእልልታ ስለሸኛችሁ መለስን ማመስገን ይገባችኇል::
            ይህን economic integration የሚባል ዝባዝንኬ እርሳው:: ወደፊት ሁኔታዎች ሲረጋጉ ከትግራይ ጋር ትመሰርታላችሁ::
            ምን ያስቸኩልሃል?

          • Brhan

            Hello Abi,
            But the “thanking has a dual effect” So you are telling us we should thank Meles and you see it as a positive for both countries? First time I hear you praising your enemy , Meles! Another Bingo # 3 !!

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Is every night a bingo night for you?

            I thank Meles on your behalf every day for reminding you that you were free from colonization. He also showed ኢሱ ጭሱ አመለቢሱ the exit sign. Isu was pretending as if he didn’t see the exit sign.
            Yes, the visionary leader did a great favor for ጀጋኑ ኤርትራውያን::
            ኢሱ ከኤርትራ ጋር ትዳር አልተስማማውም መሰለኝ እልሁን ልጆቻቸው ላይ እየተወጣ ይገኛል::
            ቀድሞውንም እኮ ሳይፈልጋት ነው ያገባት:: የጎረምሳ ነገር ድንገት አርግዛበት ነው አሉ የጠቀለላት:: መቼም ወሬው ብዙ ነው!

            መጠቅለል= ተገዶ ማግባት

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Unless you give comment that won’t contradict with your previous comments , more bingos will be coming fter you. In another way I am trying to introduce Abi with Abi, some times….Enjoy the soccer game tomorrow ….

          • David Samson

            Selam Sultan,
            What more evidence do you want? Have you not followed when he spoke in Ethio? Did he speak in Swahili or Urdu?
            If I have said IA is on the list of Nobel prize list, he would not ask me for evidence. Would you?
            Before I go, here is the homework for you.
            The PFDJ junkie usually wait for the spin doctor to speak first and use his template to parrot it. While we wait for the classic spin from Yemane Monkey, could you try to spin this for me please?
            What is the reason for closing the only Italian school left in Eritrea?

          • Sultan

            Prof Hashela:
            I thought you were trying to be reserved!
            Unfortunately, I have to agree with you as usual.

          • Sultan

            Abbu:
            Except towards Mamma Estopia!

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            Misrepresenting facts may be either due to ignorance or deliberate lies. The “only university” was closed to be replaced with seven colleges spread throughout Eritrea. In any case, pictures speak louder than my words. So I suggests that you take a look at these pictures and see what the state of higher education in Eritrea looks like and find out what the “only university” became. I have a feeling that you were a TA there during the Derg era.

            https://www.google.ca/search?as_st=y&tbm=isch&hl=en&as_q=eritrea+colleges&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=&imgar=&imgc=&imgcolor=&imgtype=&cr=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

          • Abi

            Consolation
            You know how much I love community colleges. You need even more of them preferably those focusing on vocational training. However, a flagship university is necessary for those men and women who want to advance their studies.
            It is neither ignorance nor deliberate lies.
            ምንድነው ይህ ቆጣ ቆጣ ደርሶ ገንፈል ገንፈል
            መራገጥ እንደ አህያ መዋጋት እንደ ፍየል!

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            They are not community colleges. They are full-fledged accredited degree-offering university colleges which offer post-graduate master degree courses. The School of Medicine produces physicians and specialists. As for community colleges, Eritrea has many technical and agricultural colleges. You may have heard of Sawa as only a military camp but it has an attached Sawa Vocational Training Centre. Other technical colleges are at Wina (Nakfa), Hagaz (Agriculture), DekemHare Techical School, Mai-Habar Technical School.

            Your preference for the purely academic and largely useless universities that have kept the third world in its third place is not for Eritrea. For a developing country, what is required is knowledge that can be applied to solve the needs of the nation and that is relevant to its situation. Eritrean Engineers are building the nation’s bridges and dams. Whether in infrastructure, agriculture, health, education, communications and energy, graduates of the university colleges and technical schools are second to none.

            We have a saying in Tigrigna, “ተጽግበኒ ቕጫ ኣብ መቝሎኣ ኸላ እፈልጣ”:: Believe me, my Amharic is very shakey, but I will try to translate, “የምታጠግበኝ ቂጣ ምጣዱ ላይ ሳለች ኣቃታለሁ”:: So thanks for your concern for our Educational system, if it was meant kindly.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            “የሚያጠግብ እንጀራ ምጣዱ ላይ ያስታውቃል”
            I’m going through the link you generously provided.
            Quick question
            Do you still use the former university campus or just abandoned it?

          • Consolation

            Selam Abi,

            No it has not been abandoned. Why should it be. As you can see from some of the pictures, it now houses the Asmara College of Health Sciences and Technology which offers degrees in many health related fields such as nursing. You should stop listening to the disgruntled who would have you believe that Shaebia is anti education.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            You sound more and more like uncle መዝሙረ ዳዊት::
            Let me gracefully leave the stage for Engeenier M ( መሃንዲስ ምንአለ?) so that you two giants continue the discussion. I have got nothing to add at this moment.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            As I said earlier, it is unfortunate but UoA is dead.

          • Sultan

            Conso:
            I think it is also hosting the School of Law!
            Rumors has it that it is on process to be the School of Post Grad Studies .
            Unfortunately, we have to admit the fact that PIA took a wrong turn to retaliate against the UoA and its Students for obvious reasons!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            UoA is unfortunately dead.
            The rest are not equivalent to US community colleges.
            DIA the lunatic has killed Eritrean academy just because he couldn’t make it when he was young.

          • Desbele

            Selam Consolation,

            None of the so called colleges you listed are accredited. Otherwise, Abraham Isaias Afewerki is ‘Aeronautics Engineer’ from MIT 🙂
            In most of the new colleges you listed, there are no restrooms, no telephone, no library, and they are run as military boot camp. The first dean was Colonel Ezra.
            Students are ‘disciplined’ like soldiers in military punishment. Military police(MP) examine students. Listen full account of how these colleges are run from Abraham Zere, former lecturer at one of these ‘colleges’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keSKdwEygrY

          • Sultan

            Selam Desbele:

            I understand where you are coming from and what your intention might be.
            Put aside your hatred of IA and the PFDJ!

            To your DISMAY:

            -Accreditation process takes years and those colleges are on the process for it through the Univ in Kenya, the Sudan, Ethiopia, Finland, Japan, China and Great Britain.

            -Close to a 100 students are being trained at the World Class Universities at the UAE in different Post Grad fields !

            -Almost all Post Grads, who have been given an opportunity to study both in the Eastern and Western World Universities have achieved and done very well.
            Remember that we are not denying the weaknesses and failures of the PFDJ Govt but trying to tell the other side of the truth besides acknowledging the achievements made by the struggling nation, which is rising up from the ashes from the 30 yrs of destruction and from a decade old sanctions .
            Etc…
            Finally, everything is relative and we have to compare and contrast Eritrea with other African Nations priding themselves in more than 50 yrs of “ Independence ”, Peace and Tranquility, which Eritrea has never had a minimum Chance (beyond being punished and sanctioned to be a failed State)!

          • Desbele

            Selam Sultan,
            1.The colleges are in process of accreditation means they are not accredited yet. You claimed that your are a dropout of Medical School. Just like that, you were in the process to be a doctor. But you are not!
            2. Post Grads have done very well – true, but small number bias.
            3. Other side of truth ? You sound a member of the Ministry of Truth as in Orwell’s 1984.
            4. Relative?- Keep lowering the bar to the abyss. it used to be like Singapore, now Rwanda. Rule of law doesnt require and standard to compare with. Think of rule of law as in ስርዓት ኣድከመ መልጋ- native law. All that we are asking is normalcy. The end of rule of one senile outlaw dictator.

          • Sultan

            Desbele:
            Am talking about reality, practicality and facts on the ground but you are talking about metaphysics and semantics!

          • Consolation

            Desbele,

            Go and educate yourself about what accredited mean.

          • Desbele

            Consolation,
            Educate me. Is it not this forum for education?
            Do you listen to the former lecturer Abraham? What do you think of students at Mai Nefhi college sneaking out to Asmara to use restroom? The military punishment? MPs in campus? 6th grade colonel Ezra being the dean of the college? B/General Haile Mihtsun President of the college? Dont tell me he is a doctor, he slapped on of his patients while on his examining table. He must be a drop-out mate of Sultan

          • Sultan

            Desbele:
            Respect so as to be respected!
            Let me test the waters:
            Kondaf Agame.
            Dr Mihtsun was saving live bare-handed with minimum medical resources in the battle fields.
            He is a human being!
            I have seen arrogant Doctors throwing things at Staff and and even at the patients here in the USA.

          • Consolation

            Hi Sultan,

            እቲ ገዛና ዓቢ ህድሞ
            ትዃን ቍንጪ መሊኦሞ።

            እንዳዓዋተ ብትዃንን ቍንጪን ተወሪራ ከምዝነበረት ኣይፈልጥን ኔረ።

          • Desbele

            Sultan,
            – I regret naively enlisting for a war ignited by a megalomaniac dictator. The sovereignty of Eritrea is undermined by none but pfdj.
            – It is more than ‘mistake’. It is a crime against humanity.
            – Every Eritrean has contributed to its ability to the struggle for independence. No need to worship individuals. And i will continue to criticize them for whatever wrong they do. Slapping a patient under your examination table is a crime in a country with rule of law.
            By the way how do you come to the 1% only mistake. You listen too much Dimtsi HASOT.
            -Doctors in USA doing bad stuff doesnt justify any doctor to do same.

          • Sultan

            Abi:
            Seven Functional and Efficient Colleges in Seven Years despite total sanctions is but a SUCCESSS by an African Standard.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            You don’t have to shut down a flagship university to replace it with community colleges. They are not mutually exclusive. You can operate both systems under the same ministry or commission for higher education.
            What am I missing?

          • Sultan

            Guaddu:
            Was not trying to support the sadism of/ by a despot, which I protested , deplored and condemned to the max.
            We know why it was closed since he was afraid of the UoA Protests and since he knows the power and the potential of the Youth and the Student Movements!
            But I was also trying to give credit for building those SEVEN COLLEGES while Uber total sanctions.
            Remember that when I try to acknowledge and defend the achievements in Eritrea, I am defending Eritrea as a nation and the formidable EDF and the Eritrean people , who achieved those achievements!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat David
            መጀመርታ ብሩኽ በዓል መስቀል!
            You are talking to one of the most confused people on this forum. Let’s focus on just these two comments from him:

            1. [No one has forced you at a gun point to pay that minimum $ compared to the 20% US Federal Tax.]

            This guy who claimed a Dr. just picked wrong tax bracket. Maybe 22% or 24% but not 20% federal tax. Another interesting point is he is in around 22% tax bracket. A medical Dr. doesn’t get paid that low.

            2. [“When I was on my Summer vacation in my home village,from Medical School, the Chief EPLF Cadre/Intelligence Officer spotted me being a rare appearance and presence there and surrounded our house with his compatriots and interrogated me and since he knew enough about me besides being the oldest son of one of the Village Quaderes /Local Chiefs of Haffash wudubat and “ Spy Agents/ and Fedayyin”, he advised and encouraged me to complete my studies and reassured me to relax]

            Shaebia would never let him go to finish his medical school. Never.
            You think that is ELF? We are talking about EPLF. Another lie.

          • Sultan

            Congrats Mr Engineer for out-smarting the Chief Detective, Prof Dr Abinet .

            I NEVER brag about my credentials and salary!
            I told you that I am “ A Medical College drop out”!
            Thought u were happy with that?
            FYI:
            My tax bracket is around 35-38%!

            The US Federal Tax we are comparing with the 2% is for the US Citizens working outside the USA!
            Hope Gen Nittric won’t pick on you this time.
            The EPLF proved you WRONG… severely!
            ELF?
            The front , which selectively discriminated Highlanders and Christians and favorably sent ONLY MUSLIMS to the Middle East for a higher education??

          • Desbele

            Selam Sultan,
            It is ELF who send Isaias to China to study. Unfortunately, he studied all the wrongs of Mao and implemented it in Eritrea.
            “While Chinese today allow that Mao “was 70 percent correct,” Isaias
            seems to have adopted many of his policies from the other 30 ” Li Liansheng , Chinese Ambassador in Eritrea

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Desbele,
            I am glad you get out alive, with this kind of independent brain.
            DIA never like any person with this kind of thinking.
            DO you know that DIA was entertaining how to demolish Emba Soyra? His reason was that mountain can’t be more famous than him? It is so sad.
            To make it worst, he sent to abolish the only Hawelti, in Eritrea, and tried to blame werar weyane. They broke the only Hawelti into two.
            What he didn’t expect was some people were alive and left the country to tell it all. One of those guys who broke that hawelti resides in Oakland and tells all. Amazing.

          • David Samson

            Selam Sultan,

            Again! You are displaying your ignorance.

            USA’s citizens file US tax on their worldwide income but would not pay tax twice on the same source of income. For instance, if I hold a USA passport and happen to live in the UK. I pay my tax here as a resident of the UK. I also file USA’s tax return, but I get a deduction the amount of tax I paid in the UK from the total USA’s tax due, hence double tax treaty agreement.

            Even Ethiopians know you have a twisted mind. Ras Abiy told you he could not comprehend why a country shuts down its only university while you go on a tangent to divert IA’s wicked motive by bringing the college issue. IF GOE had built more colleges
            while keeping the university open, I would be the first one to praise it. Any person with Azilo comprehension would find it weird why you destroy already built if you want to add extra.

            Stick to what you are good at: The Mekete Junkie.

          • Kibreab

            Selam David,

            Your statement below written with certitude caught my eye and the information I have seems to indicate it is not entirely correct.

            USA’s citizens file US tax on their worldwide income but would not pay tax twice on the same source of income.

            There are certainly some deductions people can take and the US allows you to exclude certain amount of foreign earned income from US taxation. But, if you earn beyond the exclusion limit, you are definitely taxed twice and of course at a much higher rate than 2%.

            Regards,

          • David Samson

            Selam Kibreab,

            The point I was trying to make is about the Double Tax treaty agreement between two jurisdictions. I do not know how USA’s tax works, except to say that what is the point of the treaty. If I pay, let’s £40 in the UK and my tax in the USA is £50k, do you think altogether I should pay £90k. No, it does not make any sense. What usually tends to happen is the country in which you are filing your tax( In our case the USA) will match the taxpayers country of residence tax rates.

          • Kibreab

            Selam David,

            I am not an expert, but using deductions and exclusions, most people can avoid paying additional taxes beyond what they pay in their residence country. That is why people assume, as you probably did, there is no double taxation. But, It is not a dollar to dollar match or a blanket “no double taxation” on all your income. If you exhaust your deductions/exclusions, you can get taxed twice. And on top of the Federal taxes, you also have to worry about State taxes, as Hashela mentioned above.

            Regards,

          • David Samson

            Selam Kibreab,

            since we are dealing with the case of “Lost in Translation”,
            this will be my last comment on the topic. We first need to establish the tax treatment between different countries before we are going to specific tax jurisdiction. You keep referring to deductions and exclusions which is only applicable to local or national tax rules. Do not quote me: if I remember correctly, in the USA you get a 50% deduction for “Entertainment expense”, but in the UK, it is no
            go area. These deductions and exclusions are specific to each tax judications. I do not know why you bring Hashela. I guess he
            lives in the USA but might have a German passport. How is his case related to the debate we have? FYI, The USA is one of the few countries which forces its citizen to file a USA tax return regardless of where they live. In the UK for instance, if I were to stay outside the UK for over 6 months, I am treated as a none resident in the UK for tax purposes. Do you know many rich people who live in the UK use this loophole to jump over to Monaco? They see and meet some stunning women.

          • Kibreab

            Selam David,

            I think kolel ketebileni deliKa ’emesleni:-) Let’s recap.

            I joined the conversation because you made the following statement about taxation of US citizens with certainty:

            “USA’s citizens file US tax on their worldwide income but would not pay tax twice on the same source of income.”

            I pointed out that the statement is not entirely accurate and I tried to explain to you why.

            I can not speak about the UK or other jurisdictions and how they tax their citizens. You made the statement about US citizens and my answers were solely related to US citizens, or more generally US persons, residing and earning income outside the US (for US citizens residing in the US and earning income outside the US, it is even worst because they cannot claim some of the “expat” related tax deductions).

            Note that when I previously mentioned deductions/exclusions, I was talking about the specific foreign income related deductions that are more or less designed to help US citizens avoid double taxation. My point is, these exclusions/deductions are not always adequate and there is a possibility that US citizens would wind up paying taxes twice on portions of the same income.

            I hope this helps. If not, well, just know that your statement is not entirely accurate and let’s move on.

            Regards,

          • Hashela

            Selam Kibreab

            I want to add that the deduction/exclusion amount is easily and quickly exhausted.

          • Hashela

            Selam Simon

            In addition to what you correctly pointed out, there is a state tax you have pay for your foreign earned income. In California, it is 4% of the before tax income or 7% of the net foreign earned income

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            The US does expect you to file in one tax even if you reside abroad. But in most case, people do not pay double tax.

            In your example, foreign earned tax, does it mean income earned from foreign sources while you are resident in the US?

            I think David is correct. If a US citizen lives in the UK and pays tax in the UK, he might still be required to file income tax, but I am certain the US will not ask you to pay tax.

            I remember a story that happened to some US citizens. They resisted to enlist in the army and run to Canada. They got residence permit and were living as Canadians.

            20 or so years ago, the US government start coming after them for failing to file tax abd were asking them to pay arbitrarily and issued arrest warrant if they show up at the boarder. There were these guy who couldn’t travel to the US afraid of being detained abd he couldn’t travel to see his ageing parents.

            But the main reason fir such practice in the US is to avoid people from hiding paying taxes. For example, someone can have an investment account in the carebean countries, become an investor and earn / make lots of money in the foreign account. Those countries have zero to none tax ;the reason they attract foreign entities) to shelter their tax payments. The US, in this case I think, it’s really entitled to collect tax as the people have residence.

            In Eritrea it makes no sense. Universal tax from anyone who lives and works abroad is extortion. What services have the Eritrean government providing to demand tax. They people not even live and work there with Eritrean passports abd thru don’t need any service.

            It makes yes sense, but it may even be ok. The problem is, there is accountability where the money collected goes?

            Does it goes to Eritrea or pay those PFDJ spies in the respective countries? And is it our the way to spend our tax money ?

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            My wife and I live in California. In addition to our US income, both my wife and I have foreign earned incomes. The way we are taxed in the US is correctly described by Kibreab and myself in the farther above comments.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            May be I don’t understand the whole discussion is about. All I am saying is there is yes double Taxation.

            Are you suggesting, Eritrean government 2% tax is inline to the US tax laws?

            BTW, I was considering an offer working for US company remotely and I had detail discussion with my accountant to figure out the tax.

            I didn’t not take the job for other reason, but from tax point of view, it wouldn’t matter abd I would have paid according to my primarily residence but still required to file tax.

            I had consulted a nurse who lives in the US boarder town Windsor but works in Detroit hospital abd division across the boarder.

            I can provide all the paper reference documents if you wish.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Selam Berhe

            I believe there is a misunderstanding between you and me.

            Based on my own experience, all I wanted to highlight was that the notion of “no double taxation” is limited in scope notwithstanding any bilateral agreement between the US and other countries. Furthermore, the state tax law, for instance California, takes no consideration of bilateral agreements between the US and other countries

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            I think I understand you.

            Unless I misunderstood you, in you example, you are arguing taxation is based on source of income.

            I am arguing, it’s based on your primary place of residence.

            Question for you. If you move to on Sabbatical for two years and you are taxed. Do you think the state of California or the IS government also tax you on that income, where you were a temporary resident Germany.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Hi Berhe

            I can only speak for my university.
            If my salary is fully covered by my home university in the US while I am in sabbatical, say, in Germany and earn an additional income there, I have to declare it and will be taxed in the USA and in Germany.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            I don’t think what you are saying is wrong, but what I am getting at, you and Kibreab arguments fails to consider the “primary residence” case.

            Eritrean government taxing income earned abroad is not the same, US residence earning income from others sources. In your example, if your income is paid by your university while working abroad, then it makes no difference. Any any other income you earned, on top of your salary, be it a lottery winning, or rental property from abroad, you must declare.

            If for example, you quite your university and go work to another country, say Sweden and you become, temporarily or permanent resident and paying tax in Sweden, you will not pay tax to state of California.

            I know US citizens who come and work here, they don’t pay tax in US and Canada at the same time. The same way a Canadian who drives and works in Detroit.

            What you said about progressive etc, it’s the same if you earned a secondly income (having second job for example) and it depends based on your total income, not the source tax f income.

            My arguments is when PFDJ tries to justify the 2% income tax, because the US does it too. It doesn’t.

            Berhe

          • Hashela

            Hi Berhe

            I have not attempted to justify the validity of or argue for/against the Eritrean Government’s 2% taxation of its citizen abroad.

            My example was base strictly on the USA and Germany bilateral tax agreement with which have personal experience, not as a expert but as a paying citizen!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Hashela,

            I did not say you have. I said based at on arguments that I have heard in the past from PFDJ supporters.

            Here is one from Consolation

            BTW, the funny thing is the US forces all of its citizens whether they reside inside or outside the US to pay their taxes.

            Personally I think rehabilitation tax may be warranted, if there is an accountable government.

            I know Germany had added , East Germay rebuilding tax after the unification, not sure that’s relevant.

            Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. The U.S. is far worse in terms of treatment of expats. To note that not all countries have bilateral tax agreements with the U.S. and if you are earning income in a ‘less friendly’ country, you are in for a completenightmare. Also, keep in mind that Americans who retire abroad still have to pay tax on their pension/retirement irrespective if they meet physical presence or Bona Fide Residence requirements.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Dongolo,

            You seem to have a good experience:). I don’t know the details but I heard nightmare from expats and IRS predatory laws.

            I hope Yemane Monkey and Hagos Kisha are going through that nightmare.

            Berhe

          • abdu

            salam Ato Berhe

            I hope Yemane Monkey and Hagos Kisha are going through that nightmare

            do you think they keep their money on their name?

            thanks

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Dongolo,

            That was a trick:). So you admit:

            1) The Eritrean government officials are corrupted, who earn / own kits if money that they hide from US government (they country if citizenship). Unlike what we are told, they are selfless and they earn less than 5000 Nacfa (around 300 US) a month. Why wouldn’t they declare their income to the US government? How much tax can it asks from such poverty line income?

            2) after being government officials why do they still need US passport? For rainy days I suppose or to send their kids abroad.

            3) we know lots money was found in the HSBC bank leaks attributed to Eritrea (700 million US), before the Bisha gold belongs to the government officials.

            Berhe

          • Kibreab

            Selam Hashela,

            Indeed. I forgot. That is another headache by itself .

          • Sultan

            Dawit:
            U proved again you super ignorance as witnessed by the watchful forumers!
            If u don’t know about the USA tax system, then either try to learn more or SHUT UP!
            Granted Eritrea and the GoE has a legit right to make and pass unique and special tax laws the other nations might not do based on our unique situation!

            The UoA:

            I was one of the first to CONDEMN the shutting of the UoA like I did about the closure of the Catholic Health Care System and the blockade of building the first of its kind in Africa, the Catholic Univ of Eritrea in 1990s!
            I responded to Abi clearly!
            U have no clue as to (with )whom u might be dealing with .

          • Brhan

            Sultan
            Can we have access to the law passed by the GoE? Have you seen the law by your own eyes?
            Seriously , in the US it is a felony? Have you seen it by your own eyes? Or the US is like the regime in Eritrea doesn’t make its regulations public?

          • Brhan

            Selam Consolation
            Thank you for sharing info about 2%; You said
            1. Nobody forces anyone to pay.
            2 If you don’t want to pay, then you have no rights as an Eritrean.
            3. They (Eritreans) just have to find their own way to pay it

            Questions:
            a. Where did you get the above information about # 1 and # 2 regulations?
            b. Are they available to the public to access them or they are only in the drawers of the regime, not to be shared by Eritreans, including to those paid and have paid.
            c. In the Middle East the Eritrean embassies won’t renew passports for Eritreasn if they do not pay it , so how come you say nobody forces you to pay.
            I know why you said that, because
            1) you blindly believe the regime
            2) you do not have a document infront of you that tells you that nobody is forced to pay it
            3) you think you can fool commentators here, by your lie
            In this forum , i can tolerate your ignorance and blind support but not your lie. If you keep continue lying , ፍሊት ዶ ክሰኣን ኢልካዮ!

          • Consolation

            Selam BrHan,

            You seem to have comprehension problems. Every Eritrean, who resides outside of Eritrea, is required to pay the 2% tax. It is the law. If he doesn’t, he ceases to be an Eritrean and loses all rights. Renewing a passport is not your God-given right, but a right that was earned through the blood and sweat of countless Eritreans. The least you can do is pay a measly 2% of your income. Nobody comes to your door and forces you to pay. Get it!

          • Brhan

            Consolation
            Where is the law? Why do not you share it as a link, it is still Sunday!

          • Consolation

            BrHan,

            You can go to the nearest consulate or embassy and ask them if you are really interested. Otherwise, opinions of people like you are very irrelevant.

          • Brhan

            Consolation
            Are you sure? What about you did you get it from the consulate? How many pages is it? Is it in Tigrinya/Arabic or English?
            Thanks

          • Consolation

            BrHan,

            Go and get it. I have a copy. You see, unlike you, I am an Eritrean. Now Buzz off!

          • Brhan

            Consolation
            No you do not. You are telling a lie. Because I am an Eritrean I am telling you Eritreans do not tell a lie and if they do they regret and apologize. To prove you are an Eritrean regret and apologize that telling me you have a copy was a lie. At that time I will know that you are an Eritrean.

          • Consolation

            Brhan,

            Any Eritrean can obtain a copy of this and any other pertinent document from any consulate or embassy. You can’t be an Eritrean if you doubted the existence of the law or if you don’t know that you have a right to demand at the consulate to be shown the law. You smell like a stinking ትዃን

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Consolation,

            Any law can be amended, changed or cancelled all together by legislative branch of the government.

            It’s also a law that the country should have a National Assembly and a regular election,

            Why the 2% tax law is an obligation and having a National Assembly is not?

            What law is IA following when he suspended the parliament indefinitely.

            Berhe

          • Consolation

            Berhe,

            Pay the tax before you ask any questions. No pay, no play. Does your question apply just to Eritrea is it universal?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Consolation,

            How do you know I haven’t paid?

            I am Eritrean so i care Eritrea first. But I don’t know of any other government in Africa for example, without semblance.

            Berhe

          • Consolation

            Berhe,

            You wouldn’t be asking that dumb question if you paid. Go back to your question and find out why it is a dumb question.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Consolation,

            Why don’t you admit, you have no idea.

            There is no dumb question but dumb answer.

            Berhe

          • Consolation

            Berhe,

            Really, there are no dumb questions? Why do you want this particular law to be amended or abolished. Is it because it makes people like you, who don’t want to pay, persona non grata. I will tell you this, even if it is amended, you will still be required to pay from the later day when you left Eritrea or Jan. 1995 to the day it is amended. Otherwise even your carcass will not enter Eritrea.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Consolation,

            It’s immaterial for me. It should be changed because, it does more harm than good. It makes people like you, the spies of PFDJ, decision makers for the good of the country, by fighting even with the dead.

            tax is directly deposited in the treasury account of the Ministry of Finance and Development..

            The law that you shared state this? Has this been done all these years? What proof can you provide that’s the case.

            I say it does more harm than good because it discourages investments. The government can make more money if it works in honest and transparent manner where the people have confidence.

            Anyway, I am up to date with my tax so worry about you.

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Consolation
            You should be happy and not nervous and angry. Truth even if it is bitter you have to swallow it. Can’t you even learn from Sultan. He is not lying about the copy. He prefered not to answer by telling a lie like you . Because there is no copy. If you do not want to learn from me learn from him. You see awate.com is a place where we can learn!!

          • Consolation

            Brhan.

            You are a dumb stinko. Do you think I am going to bother to look in my files just to prove to a stinko? Now just buzzzz off. Go to aigaforum or other sites where stinkos like you congregate. This is an Eritrean site.

          • Brhan

            Consolation
            Be careful and for your safety: Do not tell the consulate that awate.com is an Eritrean site.”

          • Consolation

            Brhan,

            It is an Eritrean site infested with Tigrayan ትዃን My mission is to help awate.com identify and deal with this infestation. For too long now, your kind has been allowed to defile this site that carries the name of Awate.

          • Sultan

            Birhan:
            Why do you choose to twist things?
            Inquililo for nothing!
            U still believe that the Rehab Tax Law or Decree or whatever you call it.
            does not exist and you shamefully lying that King Sultan refused to answer?
            Answer what?
            I started paying the 2% retrospectively since 1993!
            But kind of stuck now as it has piled up .
            Correction:
            The 2% tax is NOT a criterion for citizenship but it is a precondition to have services to be provided to the citizens!
            Renewal of a passport is a service.
            There is no need to ask questions or to answer any questions about it since it is a crystal clear Law!
            It is kind of annoying the way you are twisting things…. shenquelel and inquillilo.
            It is your right not to obey the Law but with knowing fully that there will consequences and it is your obligation to comply with the Law of the land no matter who is ruling if you want your rights respected.

            You can wait until another Govt shows up or the current govt modifies the Law.

          • Sultan

            Dawit:

            I did not ask you to respond to my hatteta.

            You went off limit the third time in a row!

            Paying a 2% rehab tax is not a precondition for Eritrean citizenship but to get some service in Eritrea.
            No one has forced you at a gun point to pay that minimum $ compared to the 20% US Federal Tax.
            If your queen has the guts or courage, why can’t she do same thing to her Boss, the USA, what she she did to the Eri Embassy?
            Sue me for paying the 2% or being part of the Noble Cause ?

            Menghidi Cherki yigberelka!

            Bring it ya Coward wahid.

            Eritreans have sacrificed their lives but you et al could not sacrifice few pennies for the benefit of the needy nation and people by making up weird and fake excuses and stories.

          • Brhan

            Merhaba Ya Ustaz Sultan
            You try to explain your points but the problem is with your key message. TPLF, and that key message is shared by 3 or 4 commentators, here. Is this like an orchestra and you are the conductor? Can’t you as a conductor let us hear a new music. Don’t you think that this single music titled “TPLF” will make us bored and miss some of your points which could be good for discussion, like the 2% Rehab tax and its legality while we do not have constitution that governs it, in first place.

            Secondly, in the single tune , TPLF, we are told by you and others, that TPLF is getting weaker, dying, run to Mekele. Good. But how come every time you come with a comment to sing that song with strong voice and letting us believe that it is dead. Your tone doesn’t correspond with the fact. Your tune can make the first listener that Ethiopia is ruled by TPLF and not by PMAA party. Don’t you think your tune will make the many Ethiopians of Oromo, Somali, Afar and others, origins happy? Don’t you think that your tune will undermine them and that TPLF and not the others is significant, when it comes to Eri-Ethiopia. Don’t you think with your single bur repetitive song , you are telling that they are powerless in front of TPLF. In other words, you are telling them ካለ ወያነ ሌላ ወንድ የለም. Don’t you think that PMAA is able to contain them under the Ethiopian house. Do you know that he said he won’t fire a single bullet against them?
            Is the regime in Eritrea waiting PMAA to solve the issue with TPLF but the later said he will do it in his way? And by the way PMAA main issue with TPLF is not the border issue, but, the political system of Ethiopia. As Eritreans we shouldn’t care how Ethiopians govern them selves. We should care about our land that is still under the control of Ethiopia. Is PF(DJ) has no other means except waiting PMAA?

            Is it me or my points that make you happy or sad?

            Is not this website that you love coming abundantly a platform for discussing on points?

          • Sultan

            Selam Brhan:
            -I stated the facts about the destructive role of the TPLF to remind you all that it left a permanent scar and no healing ulcer on Eritrea and Eritreans !
            -Even thought the Janda is quarantined, it can still destabilize both nations through its proxy terrorist activities
            -Bringing up the constitutionality of the 2% is another laughable excuse for u et al not to pay a penny!
            U r acting like the Right Wing Supremacists here when they have blocked and or have to block the following noble causes and legit IU uses against Blacks:
            1) The Affirmative Act is “ unconstitutional) ,hence, it should be banned

            2)A Legislation to compensate the permanent damages of discrimination and slavery on Blacks is unconstitutional, hence, the legislation is null and void

            3)A Legislation to allow the more than 3 million black x-prisoners to vote is unconstitutional unless they pay back for it
            4) ObamaCare, which has done its best to cover the 40 million uninsured Americans and to cover the preexisting conditions as well to cover College Studehts under their parents is unconstitutional, therefore, it should be discarded , pending it death after Judge/Justice Amy joins the Supreme Court soon
            Etc….
            It is beyond my comprehension when you claim that asking citizens to pay 2% of their income to help the needy nation and its poor is unconstitutional!

          • Brhan

            Selam Sultan,
            I am sorry. I do not live in the US and have no clude about what you are talking about.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            I don’t think you understand how the US or any other common law system (basis on British laws) really work.

            1) the us constitution
            2) there is a bill if passed by Congress and the senate becomes a law.
            3) there us every judgment a judge makes, that becomes a law as a precedent.

            The Obama care is passed by Congress and the Senate and become a law.

            Then another government come and passed a law called “the Obama care repeal act”, I don’t know if it passed but it becomes a law.

            Each law can be challenged by higher courts, new governments and new Supreme Court.

            Berhe

        • sara

          selam ato sultan,
          what is Ghdetaa?

          • Abi

            Sariti shikorina
            ግዴታ = mandatory
            Like paying the mandatory 2% or the national service.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sis Sara,

            “Gidetta” is “Obligation”. In democratic politics there are “rights” and “obligations” that must be observed by citizens and governments. A defined period of National service is citizen’s obligation. But endless national service is not obligations. It is a “forced labor” and it is “modern day slavery”.

            Regards

          • Sultan

            Selam Sara :
            OBLIGATION!

      • Simon Kaleab

        Selam David,

        I will sum up current Eritrean history as: Rescuing Defeat from the jaws of Victory.

    • Dongolo

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Your (his)story of Eritrea is based upon blind hate, co-habitation with the TPLF, flat out lies and conspiracy theories. Your mind remains stuck in the past (last century) and you simply cannot find an escape valve.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        ሰላም ደንጎላ,

        ንስኻትኩም ንታሪኽ ክትቀብሩ: ንሕና ኸአ ንቀበርቲ ታሪኽ ከነቃልዕን: መንእሰያትና ከአ ንተግባራትኩም ከለለዩን: ካብ ምግባር ዓዲ አይንውዕልን::

        • Dongolo

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Maybe you can get together with Samuel and Paulos and write a TPLF version of Eritrean history. Should be easy, as you have been doing it for sometime here. Though, you will have to wait for Paulos to be released from treatment that he is said to be receiving no from Professor Tony Magana, academic neurosurgeon at Ayder Comprehensive Specialized Hospital at Mekelle University. Yes, Magana is the same convicted rapist that use to be in the U.S..

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongola,

            We have historians from all backgrounds who could narrate and rewrite to negate the distorted history of PFDJ thugs. We don’t need to wait and to hear from other nationalities. What they need is the freedom to go everywhere without restriction to make researches on stories and events to present the record clean and unvarnished. Rest assured that It will happen after your demigod is disappeared from the seen for good.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Dongolo,

            See, we have true historians who bring the evidence and tell us the real without long a tiny false..who care about the now and future…

            Don’t worry at all….. leave that to historians and just watch what you are doing at this very moment..Time and time again you don’t have to talk about. What had been done in the past..concentrate about now and beyond..If you don’t, we will have to spend days to come to what the false is and that is time consuming…

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ዶንጎላ,

            አይስቆረካን ድአ’ዩ እምበር ነዚ ዝስዕብ መዘኻኸሪ ክሕብረካ እፈቱ:: ንሱ ኸአ “ንኢሳያስ ምድጋፍ መሰል ዘይኮነስ ገበን’ዩ”:: ነዛ ጥቅሲ እዚኣ ኣብቲ መንደቅ ናይ መደቀሲኻ ጠቅዓያ’ሞ: ክትስእን ክትድቅስን ከተዛኻኽረካ እያ:: ልቢ ኤዕቢ ዝሓወይ::

          • Consolation

            ሰላም ኣማኑኤል

            ኣብ ሓንጎለይ መንደቕ መደቀሲኻ ተራእዩኒ፥ ኣብ ትሕቲ ዓቢ ስእሊ መለስ ዘናዊ፥ “ሕልሚ ዓባይ ትግራይ ከነዐውት 20 ዓመት ዝኸደምናዮ እንኾርዓሉ ታሪኽና ኢዩ” ዝብል ነቲ ፍሹል ሂወትካ ዝገልጽ ጭርሖ ድማ ኣንቢበ።

        • Consolation

          Ato Amanue;,

          ክላእ፥ ነየናይ ታሪኽ ኢኹም ተቃልዕዎ
          ንወድኹም ሓቀኛ ታሪኽኩም’ስከ ንገርዎ
          ምስ ጸላኢ ኮይነ ሃገረይ ወሪረ በልዎ
          ክትርእዩ ውላኩድም እንተድኒቕዎ
          ን20 ዓመት ተረፍ ወያነ ዘልመጽክምዎ
          ነቲ መቐለ ሃዋሳ ዙንዙን ዝበልኩምዎ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Conso,

            I can see he is ignoring you…Let me reply you “ንኢሳያስ ምድጋፍ መሰል ዘይኮነስ ገበን’ዩ”: This will be the best..I can say to you..

            KS,,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Kokhobay,
            A good one! Prof. Emma’s statement is to the point!

          • Consolation

            Selam Kokob

            ኣብ 20 ዓመት ንወያነ ዝኸደምካያ
            ኣብ 20 ዓመት ህዝብኻ ዝኸሓድካያ
            ነቲ ዝተኣከበ ናይ ክሕደት ማክያ
            ሓጺቡ ዘጽሪ ከሚካል እንተረኺብካያ
            ኖቤል ሽልማት ኣብ ከሚስትሪ ናትካያ::

      • Sultan

        Selam Dongolo:
        U might have a point as much as Prof Aman might have but but ,but, as Semere Tesfai would say it, the history of the ELF-EPLF Founders has been being ERASED, which is UNFORGIVABLE :

        “ He was also a member of the G-15, a group of fifteen senior Eritrean government officials who openly criticized the Eritreans president Isaias Afwerki and his government for maladministration and for refusing to hold elections. The president responded by arresting all the signatories; only those who were abroad, including Menkerios, escaped arrest. To date, no one knows the whereabouts of his colleagues who were arrested two decades ago, including Petros Solomon and Mahmoud Sheriffo who are jailed together with their wives—they were not able to see any of their children or family members since their arrest two decades ago.”!
        Courtesy of awate.com

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Sultan,

          Have you notice Dongolo and Consolation, they only argument they like to have is criticizing opposition and TPFL. When the injustice and horrendous human and national abuse that’s befallen upon the nation by IA and his group, they don’t even make any attempt to defend / argue against it.

          Deep inside, I think they are feel guilty and shame to listen to those innocent family and children of those disappeared.

          What is the crime and punishment for Aster Fesehazion signing an open letter with G-15?

          There will be a day, that our people live to see the table’s turned around.

          Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. Problem is: One cannot tell the difference between the Eritrean opposition and the TPLF as they have the same modis operandi.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Dongolo,

            Can you define what an ideal Eritrean opposition should be?

            Do you have some example?

            If not why not?

            Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. Amongst characteristics the Eritrean opposition should embrace:
            1) Be irreligious in approach to gain trust of all stakeholders
            2) Be totally detached from TPLF in terms of financing and military support and be willing to openly criticize the TPLF when warranted
            3) Have empathy for all stakeholders, even those with diverging opinions to include PFDJ, EPLF and ELF
            4) Totally avoid discussions dealing with old war wounds between the ELF and EPLF
            5) Do not ever diminish/play down the importance of Badme or issues touching on Eritrean sovereignty
            6) Do not discount strategies that entail working with or thru the Eritrean PFDJ members
            7) Draw upon support of truly neutral third party countries towards achievement of aims
            8) Concentrate on Eritrean internal matters rather than on Ethiopian internal matters
            9) Work more with truly trusted and neutral African institutions towards objectives
            10) Openly demand TPLF adherence to EEBC decision at the same time that efforts are exerted to effect change inside Eritrea

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam Dongolo,

            In fact point 4) above is the main prism the outdated Eritrean opposition still use. They have refused to update their Operating System. Their hardware is also based on 8-bit microprocessors.

    • Consolation

      Ato Amanuel,

      This is the 21st century when any dolt with a $500 laptop can write whatever he/she wishes. You should write your own history. Nobody is stopping your or can stop you. Your problem is that you have defiled your history when you chose to betray your people and nation. Winners may write the history but winners, in this day and age, cannot decide who the readers are. If you have something worthwhile to say, then it will be recorded. So I suggest that instead of wasting your time in what you cannot achieve, write truthfully your own story when you where in the field. If you ELF cadres had done just that, then you would have left a legacy, even earned enormous public goodwill, instead of the utter degradation that you have sunk to as worthless lackeys of the Weyane. But even that can usefully recorded. Write about why you decided on the course you took. Tell us what happened during your many dealings with the TPLF. You were there, you know what happened. That is also part of our history. Don’t let the winners write it for you.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት ዓዋተ

    ቅዳሕ-መምርሒ ተቐቢሉ
    ዕሸል ኮለኔል ብገርሁ

    ኣምብሬዛ
    ምስ ኣሰራ ንናቕፋ

    ናብ [ብር] ጠመተ
    ‘ዚ ሕጂ ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ዝተኸስተ
    ክገርመና ‘ብሉን

    ዓርኪ ገበነኛ ተዄንካ
    ምእሳር ብር መዓስ ውሒዱካ
    ኮፍ ክትብላ ናይ ሃጸይ ዱካ
    ‘ዩ ኔሩ መስለኒ ትሕልምኻ
    ዶ ዋላስ ሕልሚ ‘ዴኻ?
    ‘አልካና

    ቅድሚ ምርጫ ምሕባር
    ኣሰርከዮም በዓል ጆሃር
    ዓጀብ ብበዓል መን
    ዳኢኻሞ ክት ሰዓር?
    ናይ ዔላ ዒሮ ጌርካያ
    ወይ ግሩም ካብ ዋርድያ
    ጆርዲን ዓዲ-ሃሎ ምምሃር

    ጎራሕ ኣያ
    ናይ ክፍኣት ኣርኣያ
    የድሕንኩም ሰብ እስጦብያ

  • Haile S.

    Selam Awate nation,

    So that we debate on concrete floor without mischaracterizing the measures and decision relative to this problem inadvertently or deliberately, please google for this and read some of the details.
    The EU and its “no more roads approach” in Eritrea.
    If the moderator tolerates it, here is the link:
    https://www.eepa.be/?p=3914:

    • Consolation

      Selam Haile,

      Here we go again. The enemies of Eritrea, TPLF and their Eritrean hirelings drooling over the news without understanding it. They are suffering and I suppose they would be thankful for the little mercies. But I want them to pause and understand this sentence before they flood this forum with their slobber.

      The EU and its “no more roads approach” in Eritrea.

    • Abi

      መምህር
      Thanks for the link.
      ( Since SGJ officially delegated yours truly to assume his position while he is away, you can post as many links as possible any day of the week)

      What I gathered from the link is different from what Professor Amanuel Hidrat understood. I think the 80 million euros is still on the table. It is the 50 million that was diverted to Sudan.
      What am I missing? Help!

      • Haile S.

        ኣባ ትልቁ፡

        That is what I gathered too. You didn’t miss the essential. The EU is trying its best not to withhold developmental aids while at the same time convincing the regime to improve its records and also to listen and satisfy the Eritrean opposition while avoiding law suites as much as possible. The EU is acting as the functional opposition to the regime, a regime that doesn’t want to recognize existance of an opposition. The opposition is functioning through the EU complicating the position of the EU which is between a hammer and a hard place!

        • Abi

          መምህር
          All credits go to አቶ እቁባይ ዘርዑ my sophomore English ( Flen 201) professor at AAU.

          What is sad is Ato Amanuel made two huge blunders in three days.
          Not a good sign of cognitive accuracy.
          Sentence comprehension has never been his strength.

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            Good old times ጀታው! My Sophomore in 4th kilo was by a certain Mortimer, a British who use to live there in the staff residence with family. I have said it before, but just to repeat, he doesn’t give an A to an Ethiopian, may be to those coming from the English schools in Addis, one lady among which was a daughter of a famous respectable Ethiopian professor. I know I am digressing, but just to say that I hated the dialectical materialism… class, which paradoxically took place in a class at the theology college across the road. I thought I was learning religion and our prof (forgot his name) looked like a debater from ደቅ እስቲፋኖስ.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            I don’t know much about 4 Killo professors. 4killo is boring. It is for strict science students. ስድስት ኪሎ ይግደለኝ ! Ato እቁበ was very strict about everything. Everyone in the class was scared of him. Honestly, I was really sad when he left Ethiopia.

            That theology campus was returned back to the ቤተ ክህነት after derg.
            Good times!!!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            I hate those kind of 3rd world, good for nothing, professors. If they were here in the USA, they would be fired.
            Who do they think they are when they say they wouldn’t give an A to any student? No wonder there is no inventor from those universities.
            I am glad I have flanked at the matriculation exam! 🙂

          • Abi

            MM
            Flanking matriculation was the best thing happened to you. Ato እቁባይ (3rd world Professor) would have sent you back to መንደፈራ half way through his class.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy; no person who flanked African matriculation can be good enough an engineer in the west. Just you know. Ta-ta!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            private,
            That’s what you think of Africans. Do you forget you are one of them? Just to disappoint you, I went to one of the world class universities here in the USA. Sorry to disappoint you.

          • Nitricc

            What community collage? What is it about you everything is about bragging. So, what was the name of the community collage?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            First, it is college, not collage, private sole-cell.
            Second, I am answering your question. Re-read it.
            Third, I said one of world class university. If it was CC, I wouldn’t be ashamed to state it.

          • Nitricc

            Trust me your too dumb to attend prestige University. Anyone who attends in such thing will never brag. How is Uber going. stupid, have some shame. now what is the name of the community collage name?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selam sole-cell
            Flanking matriculation exam is not bragging, private.

          • Nitricc

            True, it shows how dumb you are. I think Adi-grat university it shouldn’t qualified as prestige university. Listen digital, have some humility. idiot.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            You keep mentioning Adi-grat [not that there’s anything wrong with that] these days. Did your father told you your ancestral place? 🙂

          • Nitricc

            No Digital i just told you your birth place. why are you making it difficult? be proud.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            Come on, don’t be ashamed. I told you the likes of wedi Gerahtu, your cousin, and you are not proud of your ancestral place. Don’t hide behind the curtain 🙂

          • Abi

            MM
            What is the shame about studying at a community college?
            You should be ashamed for saying that.
            አቦ ጉራህን አትነስንስብና!
            I’m sure you have been instructed at a prestigious university. Hopefully, soon, with my help, you will be educated.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            I repeat, I wouldn’t be ashamed of going to CC.
            You know why? CCs give you a 2nd chance to start over and transfer to 4 yr college.
            BTW, didn’t you say your major was social science? Why are you against those majors?

          • Abi

            MM
            It is because we need more and more people with practical skills who can join the workforce.
            We have enough ወሬኞች like yours truly to sit around cafes and talk nonsense.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Cafes Abi?
            Those are places of invention!

          • Abi

            MM
            በስመአብ!
            I’ve been to hundreds of cafes and consumed barrels of macchiato but never invented a thing. Jokes don’t count they come naturally.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Try Bay Area cafes. You will see the change.

          • Abi

            MM
            There are more cafes in Addis than people living in the Bay Area.
            The only inventor in the cafes is the barista.
            How do you like your coffee?
            Got it!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Those are in Addis. Of course, what do you expect from there?
            Let them eat those Chat.

          • Abi

            MM
            You have a higher chance of inventing something over a ጫት than a stale coffee.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            That’s a myth. I have yet to meet an inventor with ጫት consuming background.

          • Abi

            MM
            እድሜህን ከፍየሎች ጋር ጨርሰኸው መቼ ከደህና ሰው ጋር ውለህ ታውቃለህ?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ከፍየሎች?
            I wish!

          • Nitricc

            Hey Abiy; i am heading to few weeks over seas assignment but please represent me in dealing with this loser. i will see you in three weeks. just you know i am heading to Japan. leaving Saturday. I know we all argue and go at it, but please every one be safe and i will talk you all when i comeback to the states, if that is. so long every one. i love you all.

          • Abi

            General
            Be Safe.
            Don’t worry about MM. I will bring him to civilization.
            ከሰው አመሳስለዋለሁ!
            Bring him some spare parts from Japan.

          • Nitricc

            Don’t worry about MM. I will bring him to civilization.

            Abiy here is your first mistake, TPLF thugs will never come to civility. They need to destroyed. this A-hole thinks all that. anyway; I will talk to you when i come back.

          • Abi

            Talk to you soon

          • Nitricc

            sure my Abiy. i hope so. when ever i take a trip i am not sure, we will see.

          • Abi

            I hope so too. I and Haile will pray for your safe return.
            I have a relative in Japan. He is in the army. He has been there for the last 4 years. He was in Germany before that. Afghanistan and Iraq before that. He loves japan.
            Enjoy your time.
            If you get a chance, try to see the progress MM is making.
            We are working on social skills.
            ( introduction to social skills: beginners class)

          • Sultan

            Selam Gen Nittric:
            Be safe with your navy-seal operations Gen.
            Just follow Abdu’s advice and ignore the Engineer.
            Let him fantasize as he wishes but I guess it is fair to Redie t him, his credentials and his opinions!
            If I were you,I would end that kind of conversation with MM here right now.
            It is futile and UNconstructive.

          • Nitricc

            Take a clue from people like Haile-S, Hashela and other many other humble Eritreans and Ethiopians. you have sold your soul to the thugs, looser. Have ever heard them bragging about anything? i can assure you they way educated than you, but they know they were educated at the expense of their people and that kept them grounded. Yet, you barging day and night. that shows me, you are empty. the other day you said you make 1500 dollars a day. did you see F-up you are?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            Just 1500 dollars a day? Think higher!
            BTW, I only care about me. I don’t compare myself with anyone because it has no value to me. So, your comment is of a very low ranking foot soldier,

          • Nitricc

            Just 1500 dollars a day? Think higher!

            Hahahahaha; my Arabic teacher when ever i challenged him, he says
            ” Amshi, come shufna come nikna” once he told me what it means, i was just laughing my heart out. you are nothing but looser. anyone who makes that much , no one will disclosed it. But it takes to be from Adi-grat to say that.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            I didn’t that Adi-grat people are such rich. Good for them. Unlike you, I don’t get jealous but happy to see rich people.
            You decided to be a low rank soldier, so don’t resent people with much resources than yours.

          • Nitricc

            Can you post your pay stub and i will do my mine; would you accept the challenge? i know i am going to your level but i think that the best way to shut you up. what do you say, Mr Uber? How is Adi-grat?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            [How is Adi-grat?]
            How would I know, ask your dad to call his uncle.
            If I post a screenshot of my pay stub, you need to prepare of calling 911 ahead of time.

          • Nitricc

            Don’t change the subject, i will post my pay stub and the same thing. deal?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Deal

          • Nitricc

            So to be clear to your demented mind and to the smart participants; you are saying that you make 1500 us dollars a day *5 working days a week * 52 weeks a year. for a person who flanked the test?really? you are too stupid to do the the calculation. no wonder why flanked. dude, get a grip. I know in Adi-grat, there is a race to false pride, but don’t undermined the intellect of the forum. stupid. i will be back in three weeks and i hope you are a man enough to take the deal. stupid.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            I said > 1500. Post yours and I will show you mine. This is not the time to retract. Show it.

          • Nitricc

            Oh no, just give me till i am back to the states. you are stupid and dumb. i am going peel you like an onion layer after layer. stupid,

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Yeah right. That’s what I thought.

          • Nitricc

            Just you know you said you make >1500 dollars a day *40 hours * 52 weeks; right? i am just helping you to remember your lies. confirm pleas. what an A-hole.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            How hard is to understand that. I said YES.
            Now, post it.

          • Nitricc

            No, i am not doing the bragging; you are post it and i will do the same. the burden of proof stand on you Adi-rat azz. just posted it and i will comply. stupid.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            That’s what I thought. How long did it take you to change your deal?
            Typical!

          • abdu

            Salam Nitricc and MM

            Take a clue from people like Haile-S, Hashela and other many other humble Eritreans and Ethiopians. you have sold your soul to the thugs, looser.

            Nitricc you said you have sold your soul to the thugs, looser.
            if i Understand you correct if he(MM) sold his soul he is not one of them(tigrayan) that means he is Eritrean. and we all know he is Eritrean. he said he is an engineer we should be proud of him. don’t insult him
            MM Nitricc is an Eritrean like you he even mentioned his village. he is a full human like everyone he is not a one cell and please don’t call him with that and don’t bring his parents here.

            to Both of you
            have respect to owners of this website and to the readers and participants.
            what Haile.S brought for discussion about the EU fund for road construction don’t forget EU visit this website so let’s discuss on that and i am sure there are thousands of Eritrean who visit this website will contribute their input. then EU will get a chance to decide with the fund.
            simon raised a good question
            In what way will the withdrawal of the fund help the “forced slave labour”?
            Eritrean government whether it get the fund or not will not stop national service labour
            so let us discuss what is the best for Eritrea and please don’t bring the weyane both supporters and opposition.
            thanks

            finally Nitricc and MM this was a brotherly reminder to all of us if i said anything wrong please accept my apology.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abdu,
            I was feeling bad for contaminating this fine forum.
            This guy keep insulting everyone who is against the criminal HGDF.
            It was about time to talk to him with the language he understands.
            However, you are correct and my apology to you and others.
            The article is actually about the Kenyan related…btw 🙂
            I will end it here.

          • abdu

            Salam MM
            Now what do you think about the EU fund? Should the Eritrean government get it or not?

            thanks

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Abdu,
            Of course it should getrid off.
            Those EU and other foreign countries are the one who are killing our people by collaborating with this criminal HGDF gangs.
            Forget about the donations, Eritreans never realized on the huge mining income the gangs are trashing it on foreign banks.
            The more aid hgdf gets, the worst Eritreans’ misery. To make it worse, the Donors know that.

          • abdu

            Salam MM
            we know EU is holding the fund. If Eritrean oppositions able to convince EU to hold the fund , can they/we convince them to give the fund but with a very detailed audit. what was bought and who worked?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Abdu,
            Your comment would work in any sensible communities but we are talking about hgdf.
            This would work if and only if the EU pay directly to the people who are doing the actual work. However, HGDF won’t allow that such transaction. Their past record is terrible.

          • abdu

            Salam MM
            hope you read what Kibreab reply to Kim H. below. By the way the labour will not stop. how about as Kibreab said the fund spend for machinery.
            you hit two birds with one stone the machinery will lessen the labour for our children and will use them after HGDF.
            thanks

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Abdu,
            How is that going to help to those on the so called “National Service” but in reality modern slaves?
            Let Kibrom put himself on one of those unlucky guys and he will rethink of his stand.
            I am for one don’t want to be in that indefinite slavery.

          • abdu

            Salam MM
            I wish others joins us. i know for sure both supporters and opposition are not against the fund for our country Eritrea. but the question is how do we convince each other those who are at least in this web site to get the fund. with proper strict audit against the government.
            without calling names. i know some will say HGDF will not listen but there may be possibility to convince supporters why oppositions are opposing it and vis versa.
            thanks

          • sara

            selamat ato abdu,
            i really feel your pain, many tried before you and the moda is always trying to advise to stay on topic but no one seems to heed the advice.
            as for the European union fund for eritrea, my take is … as you alluded to give the money in kind… i.e equipment, instruments etc.. if they suspect it is going to be misused. but from my experience the donors always have this preconditions that most governments don’t like and this is i think the case with our government. let me also share with you and the forumers , that i work for an NGO in our neighboring country and my experience is not much of the allotted donation is spent the projects and programs , but on administrative matters…
            in fact those who come with the fund middle men / Delalo) take back some of the money as they are part of the deal in bringing the donation or grant from the country providing the fund. in the country
            i reside there are so many programs and projects funded by Europeans and others but non of them makes a dent in the life and development of the country except give temporary job opportunity to some locals.in other words… no country should depend on donation, grants, etc but on its own resources and i dont see eritrea will be better of because of such donations.

          • Sultan

            Selam Andu;
            You will never convince since they are saying and doing things knowingly and out of deep hatred of the PFDJ.
            The EU Fund is not given in cash directly but mostly in kind through third parties in a form of technical and logistics .form.
            Remember the intention and the end goal of the so called Foundations and Lobbyists is ONLY how to hurt the GOE and they cate less about the positive outcome for the needy people !
            The agreements are detailed and micro-specific.
            Hint:
            The US Amb testified via Wikileaks that the Development funds given to the GoE achieve what they are specifically intended for and it even confirmed that the GoE credited back the leftover Funds to the originator of the funds.
            Based on the corrupt experience as to how the NGO s function where 86% of the aide funds go to the pockets of the NGOs, the PFDJ Govt wants to work directly with the Donor Govts.
            If contrary,to my assertion, that GoE has insisted to get the entire Fund in cash with no detailed restrictions where the fund specifically should go for the intended infrastructure Development then it makes sense to challenge and criticize the GoE.
            But I doubt that is the case since there are detailed protocols.
            If u heard the story of an Italian NGO in Gojjam Area of Ethiopia dealing with a Dam business, you would hate yourself as to how the FUND was mismanaged where 80% of the fund was embezzled… without even starting the Project.
            NB:
            The major lead and front runner Lobbyist against the EU FUND for Eritrea was and is, the TPLF, directly and by proxy through the Mercenary Pseudo-Eritrean self-declared Human Rights Activists.and get hired European Opportunist Gangs including a certain Prof from Holland, whom we all know well and still the lead Lobbyist, who attended a special meeting on “Eritrea and Eritrean Refugees”last year or so at Mekele Univ along with Ms Selam Kidane.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abdu,

            BBC Tigrinya has the covered the news, which I think has all sides of the story.

            I will share the link in the weekend and then may be we can have meaningful discussion from both sides of the story.

            As to what’s allowed to continue and what’s pulled, I think Abi has it right.

            In short the 50 million funds that’s was planned for road in addition to the already funded 80 million will be pulled off. But it can still go fund other project “none road construction related” in Eritrea or will go to a Sudan.

            The Eritrean opposition are not against any development projects in Eritrea including road construction provided that EU and other partners make sure national service “free labour” is not used to fund those projects.

            Money is not directly given to the front arm, Red Sea corporations and EU has to take accountability.

            All errors are mine as understood.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Why don’t you just stick to the original piece that was presented in English? No need to use the Tigrinya translation while you can understand the original language used. This will help us avoid unnecessary errors in interpreting the information.
            You don’t want to get “ Lost in Translation “.
            Here, we should be extra careful when we bring news with our wishful interpretations attached.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I must say this is the best communication I got from you in a long time.

            You are absolutely correct and I don’t have anything to add.

            However, I did not read the English link provided by AH or Haile S. I think. The link was deleted before I read it.

            The BBC site come to my feed and that’s where I read the different points. In my opinion it had all other views to including quoting the person name what the objective of the law suit was and the reason.

            Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe,

            It appears the moderator has preference for certain links. The one I linked was removed while others were sustained. Anyway, you can google usung the phrase I provided.

          • Berhe Y

            Thank you Haile.

            I don’t think there is a preference but may be to do with some key word used to filter.

            But you are right, AH:) seem to have special privileges when he post links, that they stay.

            Berhe

          • Consolation

            Ato Haile,

            The moderators have an agenda. Anything that serves that agenda, they will support. Anything they deem against that agenda, they will suppress. I only wonder what Disqus might say about this bias!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Conso,

            Not true, we all know that the from long experience the moderators may get busy and we should support them only…..Look now what they have done to our great man Amaunuel..There is no single person better than you in font of our awate site admin..They follow the rule strictly,,,,

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ይህን በጣኦት ማምለክ ብታቆም ይበጅሃል:: ቀናተኛው አምላክ በሰላ በምላጭ ላይ ነው የሚያራምድህ!
            ውርድ ከራሴ ብያለሁ… ዋ!

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abo,

            “ይህ ሰይጣን አሳስቶኝ ነው ጉድ የሆንኩት!
            እባክዎ ይቅርታዎን ይቸሩኝ::”

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Kokobe
            ይቅር ብለናል! በል አሁን ተነሳ! ማንን ለማስኮነን ነው?

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            Please note the moderators are not full time attendants here. Sometimes they can miss a violation. Enforcing it should be the task of all. All you need to do is alert them and they will take action.

            By the way, true I found a link posted by Amanuel and I removed it immediately. If there are more, please help us see it.

            Thank you.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,
            No worries! Just make me happy, there is one just under mine from AH. Give it 20X X 🙂

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            Both links discuss the same topic. One is pretty enough to understand the main point.
            “ነገር ቢበዛ በአህያ አይጫንም”
            I’ve read both with the same understanding.
            I love you too!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abdu; despite your wish the Weyane thugs will give the money to Martyrs family but it turns out, the thugs are distributing the money to the military. we all are have something but to brag, i hate it. this dumb person needs schooling and i welling to do that.

          • abdu

            Salam Nitricc
            You are better than that so please spend your time and energy for the wellbeing of Eritrea.
            Now my question to you is what do you think about the EU fund?.
            i know you want Eritrea to get it, so how do we make Eritrea get the fund?
            as for the weyane who cares where they spend the stolen money. Let us waite and see what they will do with the coming Federal election
            thanks

          • Consolation

            Nitricc,

            He brags because he is an empty barrel. He is a custodian (janitor) who drools about being a mehandis. Ask him what exactly is he a mehandis of and we will clobber him if he answers back.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Debas,
            Ask and I will explain to you. Since when are you becoming shy? 🙂

          • Abi

            General
            Matriculation was really hard to pass. Even if you passed the exam, not everyone joins universities and colleges due to unavailability of accommodations.

            The fact is even if MM managed to get a passing grade, he would have been remained a full time goat tender and part time ዋጣ player at the outskirts of መንደፈራ.
            He is kind of ፋራ to adjust to city life.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Very funny, Abi!

          • Brhan

            “Matriculation was really hard to pass. Even if you passed the exam, not everyone joins universities and colleges due to unavailability of accommodations”
            You mean during the H. Slase and H. Mariam era.
            After that each Kilil has one university or more ? Is this during the Weyane era? If yes then , here , you have to give them a credit. Bingo!

          • Consolation

            Hi Berhan,

            It is reported that the ministry of education wanted to hire 10,000 high-school teachers from among the graduates of Universities that the Weyane built. The applicants, all graduates, were tested using the grade 8 general examination exam; Incredibly, most of them flanked. The Weyane deliberately destroyed the educational system of Ethiopia because their evil intention was not to educate Ethiopians but to create a useless class of illiterate university graduates.

          • Brhan

            ِMerhaba Consolation
            Some times you made think that in Ethiopia there were no men except the Tigreans? What happened to the Somali, Afar, Oromo, etc? Are you saying that they were good for nothing when universties were built for them by the Tigreans?

          • Consolation

            Brhan,

            Unless you are pretending to be stupid, it was the Tigrayans who were in full control for 27 year. The Somalis, Afars, Gambelas were not equal to the Oromos and Amharas who were way below the Tigrayans. Now go back and educate yourself about the conditions in Ethiopia until the TPLF thugs were kicked out. For starters, google and read Tesfay G/Ab’s three books Yederasiw, Yegatzegna, and YeSidetegna Mastaweshawoch to understand what it was like during the TPLFs reign.Also read about how the TPLF thugs deliberately destroyed the educational system in Ethiopia. How do you think the illiterate Tigrayan generals became billionaires?

          • Brhan

            Consolation,
            I am surprised. Are you trying to be more Catholic than the pope

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Is this a bingo night already?
            As I told you before, if I get a chance to be a minister of education just for one hour, I will close most of these universities and colleges and turn them to vocational training institutions.
            Don’t get me started:)

          • Brhan

            Abi I told you …your are smarter, I wish you were a minister during H. Slase or H.Haile Mariam , you would have saved a lot of young people.

          • Abi

            MM
            I appreciate your vote of confidence.

          • Brhan

            ِAbi
            MM?
            Then you are dismissed from the ministerial positon and ordered to be a governer in one of the northern towns.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            ይህ ሰይጣን አሳስቶኝ ነው ጉድ የሆንኩት!
            እባክዎ ይቅርታዎን ይቸሩኝ::

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            You meant to say ኣምላክ, perhaps 🙂

          • Abi

            MM
            You mean አማልክት?
            Your self awareness has no match!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi
            ሰይጣን is singular and so does ኣምላክ

          • Abi

            MM
            አማልክት=ጣኦት
            God= አምላክ
            gods = አማልክት = ጣኦት

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ጀታው፡

            What is the singular of ጣኦት? ጣ! If yes, then:

            ኣምላክ = ጣ = Ptah (pronounced ta) = the ancient Egyptian God

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ኧረ እባክህ ከአምላኬ አታጣላኝ! ሁለተኛ ማስጠንቀቂያ ከተሰጠኝ ሰነባብቻለሁ:: በሶስተኛው ወደ ሲኦል ነው የሚወረውረኝ::
            ብቸኝነት ተሰማህ እንዴ?

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ኣይ! ኣማርኛ ሚያዋራኝ ፈልጌ ነው እንጂ፡ Blinki, Nitricci, Mokie, Fishmilky በእምነተቢስነት ከኔ ጋ ናቸው።

          • Abi

            መምህር
            የገሃነም working language ትግርኛ መሆኑን አላውቅም ነበር::
            አማርኛ መናገር ካሰኘህ ወደ መንግስተ ሰማያት ብቅ በል::

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            እኔስ ፈረንሣይኛ ይሆናል ብየ ነው። ይሄ በጊዮቲን ህዝብ የጨረሰ፡ በቤተ ክርስትያን የተደቀነው የጻድቃን ሓውልት ኣንገት ሳይቀር የቆረጠ የ 1789 ኣብዮተኛ ሞልቶታል ብየ ነው።

          • Abi

            ከመይ ሊቀመኳስ Jean-Jacques Rousseau,
            I’m sure you will lead the second “enlightenment movement“ in Tigrinya with your buddies from the comfort of ሲኦል::
            ይመቻችሁ!

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            This will interest you.
            You know who or what Brem PtaH is .
            Have you though why we say በረምበጣዕ ኣይትበል?
            There. That is a term left in Eritrea by the Egyptians.A Do you know Ahmed Urabi? He was an Egyptian officer in Eritrea, a nationalist who went back to Egypt and led a revolution. He was a farmer’s son who was part of a mutiny that became known as the “Urabi revolt” against the British and French who administered Egypt on behalf of the Kadive Tewfik, the ruler of Egypt.

            Eritrea was where people learned to fight for their rights, ሎሚ ኾነ ሓምሊ ኾን 🙂

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Correction SaleH
            Sorry ጦብሎቕ ክብል but it is ሎሚ ኾነ ሓምለ ኾን 🙂
            በረምበጣዕ is funny though 🙂

          • Consolation

            Selam MM

            ኣነኳ ንስኻን ሳልሕን ተጋጊኹም ኢየ ዝብል። ናይ ሳልሕ እኳ ትሓይሽ። “ሎሚ ኾነ ሓምለ ኾን” ትርጕም ኾን እስከ ንገረና።

            ከምዚ ንወያነ ወሪድዎም ዘሎ፥ ኣብ ኣዲስ ኣበባ ኮይኖም ጮማን ክትፎን ዝበልዕሉ ዝነበሩ ግዜ ኣብቂዑ፥ ኣብ መቐለ ተወሺቦም፥ ሓምሊ ዝበልዑሉ (ንሱውን እንተተረኽበ) ዘመን ምስመጸ “ሎሚ ኾነ ሓምሊ ኾነ” ኢልካ ትገልጾ።:)

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consol,
            Let me give you a hint: time is the parameter, not food.

          • Consolation

            MM,

            Don’t give hints. Just tell us what ኾን means in the context. Perhaps it is what you use in Wukro to say ኾነ like እንታይ’ማ ልኾን 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            MM,
            It’s the Keren accent 🙂

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            You are a treasure. Thank you. I don’t know about Ahmed Urabi. But I read great dids by even those who went there as slaves. Thanks again.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            Then you must read about Kaafoor AlAkhshidi, the Abyssinian slave who ruled Egypt and the Levant. That is pending for my Negarit and can’t say all here 🙂

            If I could, I would claim Kaafoor and replace Pushkin with him because of the way some Racist Arab poet insulted him—-the racist poem is taught in schools to this day because the poet was the most famous in the region. Great but racist, the Arabs’ Shakespeare.

          • Haile S.

            Morning Saleh,

            I agree all these slaves who tolerated all kind of abuses even after sitting on the throne of their detractors deserve memorable statues. You also have Malik Ambar who reigned over part of India and also other influential Maliks of Abyssinian origin. Curiosly Malik sounds like Menelik*, seriously. Your knowledge of Arabic is needed here.
            Look forward to reading to your Negarit on Kafoor.

            *To those who may complain too much talk about Ethiopia. The first Menelik was born in Asmara on the side of Mai-Bella river :-).

          • Abi

            መምህር
            Mai Bella river and the village that Menelik was born at should be returned to the rightful owners.
            ዘራፍ እምቢ ላገሬ! ዘራፍ እምቢ ለወንዜ! ኧተተተተተ….!
            ኧረ ጎራው!
            ዘራፍ አኔ የሚኒልክ አሽከር!!
            የአባቶቻችን እትብት የተቀበረበተን መሬት የመረከብና የመግዛት መብታችን ይከበር!!!

            The weekend is shaping up to be beautiful!

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            Arabic: Malik (king, owner)
            Hebrew Melech )King)

            Ibn Melik (Arabic) Ben Melech (hebrew) –son of the king
            Menelik is. corruption of the above
            A smart Greek or Armenia businessman brought a coated tin cup with Minelik’s picture, and still call the swa-cup, Milelikh

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            I’m not sure but giving the historical and blood relationship ethiopia has with armenian, greek, Palestinian, isreal, Yemen, Syria , Portugal, Egypt, Turkey u might be right that a smart greek or armenian businessman brought a coated in cup with minelk’s pic and still call the swa cup minelik but who brought the name Saleh or isaias or Mehamed do this names have a meaning in local language that has similar words in other outside the region languages ? Or is it only minelik?

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            I know what Saleh means: good. It could be like Tedros, imported from somewhere… but I am sure the name Saleh traveled a shorter distance 🙂

            Why are you always itching go change a normal discussion into a wedge issue? Cool down.

            Now you asked, I replied. We are even. Pls don’t reply and let’s end it here

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            The point is, like all over the world history , it has religion , blood and history behind it . imported means when u import something that belongs to someone who don’t have any historical , blood or religion connections with u.
            I didn’t mean to change a normal discussions into a wedge issue, sorry.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            I was asking you to please stay on the topic. Branching out is a waste of time. I was commenting on the meaning of Minelik because the question about it was raised. I dint branch out but you brought something out of the blue. I am not a novice. You don’t care about the origin of Saleh you wanted to say Mohammed in not an Abyssinian name. And I could have buried you alive with that comment but I chose to stay the course. Now you are lecturing me how cultures are inter-connected. It’s vane. If you believed in that you wouldn’t have made the comment. But you have the itch to go Kbre Negest on me. And I have changed my mind. Bring it on my dear. All of it and don’t leave anything in your heart. Say it and let’s see where that leads.

            NB: if Tedros wants to run the whole marathon, don’t blame me and don’t be sensitive. I will give him a cold to shower before Surgery… which can be a gruesome sight

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            I was also talking about the meaning of menilek, i brought example that show the meaning of menilek is more ethiopia than the meaning of Saleh or Mehamed , it’s more ethiopian than greek or armenian.
            Go ahead and buried me with fact , not with lias and i will bury u alive upside down with fact, not with lias.
            we can make this ” kebre negest” fight which u r obsessed sickly our fight, if it is about fighting Muslims forced celebration of qudues yohannes or freedom of religion or injustice.

          • Consolation

            TA,

            Back to the meaning of Minilik. Don’t you think, that since your Kebre Negest claims that he is the Son of Solomon, who was a Hebrew king, that Minilik is a corruption of Ben Melech makes sense. From your comments, I get the feeling that you always assumed that Tedros is as Abyssinian as Kibre Negest. But let me disabuse you of that and tell you that your name originates in Greece

            Theodore is a given name. It comes from the Greek name Θεόδωρος (Theódoros) meaning “God-given” (from the Greek words θεός, (theós) “God” and δώρον (dōron) “gift”).

          • Teodros Alem

            conso
            Reread the first response that i did to Saleh. I said ethiopia culture is formed the same way that other cultures formed, but since u believe whatever the illiterate and hades eaters shabia said, i rather talk to Saleh.

          • Consolation

            Hi TA,

            I was thinking of what your name, Tedros, which is Greek for God Given, would be in Geez and have realized something odd. Most Geez names are like Haile Sellasie, Tesfa Mariam, Gebre Igzabher, Welde Ab, Fikre Yesus, Kal Ab, and so on. Shouldn’t there have some thing like Gift of Mariam, Gift of Yesus, Gift of God, etc. Anyway, henceforth you name is ተውህቦ እግዚኣብሔር or ተውህቦ ኣምላክ:: That will get rid of the Greek in you. 🙂

          • Teodros Alem

            conso
            I told u what u know is only what shabia told u, there was a greek presence in ethiopia starting from Axum time till now, there r blood , religion connections with greek since the time of Axum,

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            This is part of “አዝማሪና የውሃ ሙላት”.
            እስኪ ተመልከተው ይህ አወራረድ
            ያልሰማው ሲመጣ የሰማው ሲሄድ
            ድምጡን እያውካካ መገስገሱን ትቶ
            ማን ይሰማኝ ብለህ ትደክማለህ ከቶ
            ተግሳጽም ለጠባይ ካልሆነው አራሚ
            መናገር ከንቱ ነው ካልተገኘ ሰሚ

            ከበደ ሚካኤል

            I will be back if I remember more.

          • Saleh Johar

            Ras Abi,
            No. You don’t need to say more , HaileS would say, Ca suffi.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            I feel that a clarification is due here. When I made that remark it was at time when we were continuously flooded with glorification and pontification of bloody Ethiopian warlords by people who are currently absent from the forum.

          • Consolation

            Selam Haile,

            *To those who may complain too much talk about Ethiopia. The first Menelik was born in Asmara on the side of Mai-Bella river :-).

            As Tesfaye G/Ab observed in a vignette about Minilik in one of his inestimable books, it is difficult to imagine the path that the Queen took in her journey back from Jerusalem that would have her pass through Asmara. Besides, ማይ በላ is Tigrigna, a language that most likely did not exist at that time. But hey, if they can invent the myth of Kibre Negest so that Minilik II can claim that he is a direct descendant of King Solomon, a slight detour in the Queen’s journey shouldn’t cause any one an attack of conscience. 🙂

          • Haile S.

            Selam Consolation,

            Since Jebena is getting politicized, lets continue cultural discussion on this political page. Things have turned upside-down here!. Anyway, since written documentations on the region exists centuries ago, three principal routes have been described and documented coming from Massawa going to the Abyssinian highland.
            – One is through Ghinda, Nefasit, Asmara Adi-Gua’edad, Debarwa etc
            – Second is through Halay or Digsa, Coa’etit or TeKonda’e etc
            – The third is in between the two, through Barresa, Qeihkor etc.

            Therefore irrespective of whether the legend was true or false, the routes are true well known and legendary.

            As to the language, it could have been in Geez ይበሉ ማይ 🙂 for example. I am not knowledgeable in Geez.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Haialat,

            I agree with the idea..yes Haiat ..”Since Jebena is getting politicized, lets continue cultural discussion on this political page”

            KS,,

          • Consolation

            Selam Haile,

            Alvarez mentions a village called Zalote (which may be Tselot) but not Asmara. Do you have any references for the first route.

          • Haile S.

            Consolation,
            Alvarez himself, whether going in or out. Yes, I am convinced Zalote is Tselot.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Haile S. You are correct. Zolot is Latin for Ts‘elot.

          • Hashela

            Selam Saleh

            As far I know በረም በጣዕ ኣይትበል means ኣይተዕገርግር.
            How do you reconcile this with Ptah being a God?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            በረምበጣዕ ኣይትበል is to my understandig ኣይትሃድድ። ሃዳዲድና ሓደ ሓደ መሰረት ቃላት እንተምጻእና እንታይ ይፍለጥ!

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            you are right! ታህዲድ fits well. With a good will, one can see a connection between ታህዲድ and ዕግርግር and መሰረት ኣልቦ ሐበን (ታህዲድ) 🙂

          • Saleh Johar

            Hashela,
            Brim Ptah was a mantra and for the modern Egyptians P is B and for our people many ተ are changes to ጠ as in ፕሪጦርያ and እምብራጦርያ for Pretoria and Emperatoria

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም ሳልሕ,

            አብ ሜዳ ከለና “በረምበጣዕ” ክንጥቀመሉ ኸለና ንሓደ ሰብ ንዝኾነን ዘይኾነን ኣጋኒኑ ዓው ኢሉ ዝዛረብ እዩ ነይሩ:: ብኻልእ ኣዛራርባ “ቶግቶግ” አይትበል ማለተይ’ዩ:: እቲ ቃል ምንም እኳ ኣብ ሜዳ ዝተፈጥረ ይኹን እምበር ከም “ባጋ-ቡፍ” ኢና ንጥቀመሉ ነይርና:: ዝኾነ ኾይኑ የቀኔልና ንታሪኻዊ ኣማጽኣ ናይታ ቃል::

          • Saleh Johar

            ኣማንኤል,
            PtaH was an Egyptian god and I heard brim Ptah is some Orr I’d a mantra which they used to say at the temples. It means repeating something over and over.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Digital Brhan; because you have a building and call it university, ain’t so. What is your love and connection with your thugs though. I can not figured it out why the Eritrean Muslims are stuck with the thugs. i have no idea.

          • Brhan

            Nitricc,
            Some times I think that you miss your night pacifier( ቺቸቶ) when you write.

          • Nitricc

            How much are the thugs paying you, digital?

          • Brhan

            Hi Nitricc
            In Eritrea we call it ቺቸቶ or مصاصة And it is good for a child because it helps him to grow and become matured.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            You are a paid soldier Not for Eritrea but for others.
            So, you think everyone is a paid agent? I already told you before ሰራቒ ሰብ ኩሉ ሰራቒ መስሎ!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Very funny, Brhan! 🙂

          • Sultan

            Birhan:
            The Gen is spot on and he pinched your sensitive nerves.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Funny but he now couldn’t!
            I knew few very smart youths with high potential dismissed them on their first semester of college. Some of them hated school after that.
            BTW, all of my Habesha college classmates were either UoA or UAA.
            They couldn’t believe I had flanked the matriculation exam.

        • Sultan

          Prof Hailat:
          Funds intended for the best of the country and the people cannot and should not be politicized !
          If the EU and its surrogate Lobbyists want to target the PFDJ Govt, they have plenty of options to do so!
          Here is the FACT:
          The EU knows very well that the PFDJ Regime irrespective of its failures and crimes, uses the Development Funds effectively and efficiently and thevEU knows and is allowed to monitor and scrutinize the Govt closely !

        • Consolation

          Ato Haile,

          The question is: why should these clowns that you call opposition oppose the construction of roads in Eritrea. The roads are going to be there long after Isaias leaves the scene. It is this constant fight by these worthless thugs to harm Eritrea and Eritreans that has made them total failures. They have been doing this for the past 20 years without achieving anything except assuring their dishonourable place in the trash can of Eritrean history.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consolation,
            So, እንዳ ብጽፍርና, I didn’t know that you get foreign aid. Interesting!
            All these years with “We never ask for any aid”, what happened to that BS?

          • Consolation

            MM,

            I know it makes the Tigrayan beggars cringe whenever they contemplate ብጽፍርና. Well, now that the stealing loop-holes and begging channels have all been closed, we shall see how they are going to survive. Already, they have began to snivel.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consolation
            Now, let’s come back to earth, to the HGDF world.
            Forget about weyane, unless they are yours, let’s go back to our HGDF, answer my question: what happened to ብጽፍርና?

          • Dongolo

            Selam MM. How much relief assistance has Eritrea received over the past 10 years?

        • Selam Haile S.,

          It is this common knowledge that when two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers. It is the Eritrean regime on one side and the Eritrean opposition on the other. The one is exploiting the people (military servicemen in this case) and the opposition is taking a draconian measure asking the EU to stop giving help to eritrea.

          During the derg there were some professionals from the eastern bloc who were employed by the regime. Their salary was paid to the embassies and not to the employees themselves. They were given a sort of stipend, and i have no idea what happened to the rest of their salaries. Nevertheless, one can imagine. Naturally, it caused resentment in the individuals.
          This modus operandi of the regime being the employer and paying salary to itself, otherwise, stealing the product of the sweat of its citizens, is learnt in political schools in the former soviet union and mao’s china.
          I don’t know if the opposition has investigated the possibility that those who work in the construction of the roads could be paid by the EU itself, one way or the other, without cutting aid to eritrea. Even then, it is not unusual for the regime to say, either its way or the highway. Remember, the bisha goldmines, where a similar thing happened.

          • Consolation

            Horizon,

            The EU can keep its money. Nobody is going to bend backwards in Eritrea to accommodate their interference. That is the whole idea of self-reliance. We don’t refuse aid but we insist that there be no strings attached. We don’t allow any one to impose conditions on our sovereignty. In Eritrea, the youth are engaged in development activities, as part of their national service, in all sectors of our economy. The road construction that the EU has financed is just one of the myriad projects underway, such as dam building, agricultural activities, infrastructure projects and so on. Thus, your suggestion that the EU pay the national service youth is impractical. It is a matter of principle. If the EU considers national service as slave labour then we part company.

          • Selam Consolation,
            In my opinion, the military should not be involved in the first place in a civilian project. If it undertakes any developmental project, it must be run by the military with its own personnel, engineers, etc, and it should be funded by the state. The road will be called a road built by the Eritrean military, and not a road built by EU aid money with the free labor of young Eritreans during their military service.

            If you can get aid under your own terms, so much the better. But, it is not like that most of the time. The string attached in this case is let it not be free and unpaid labor, as long as the EU is covering the expenses.

          • sara

            selam ato horizon,
            good you said “in my opinon” before your comment… and that is a good thing to start a conversation… not like other who are definitive on every thing , that they are only those with info, knowledge about all things discussed here. in my opinion… i think many here do not know much what was going on in eritrea for the past 50 years….what has developed in the sych and thought of those who are on the ground running the country.
            unfortunately to some and fortunately to many they have this hate of dependency on foreign aid , by extension intervention in internal matters… if you have a chance to read materials from the armed struggle period , one of the issues that prolonged our independence
            was the rejection of foreign support, be it from near and far, and that was for a good reason considering eritreas past experience with foreign intervention and its make up.
            also as you know, where ever we go in our continent most are surviving throw assistance from the west, and no country has until now developed to stand on its own. therefore , aid /assistance /
            grant/donation are unfortunately making our continent more dependent than free.

          • Selam sara,

            Nice comment. Indeed, no African country has benefited from aid. Some say that aid and loans from the west are the things that kept africa backward and underdeveloped.
            Nevertheless, don’t you think that aid is as good as the country that gives it and the african government who receives it? When the african hippos are there waiting to eat a big chunk of the aid money, the amount that remains for development is usually minimal, unless the country that gives the aid exercises some control.
            If we take loans, for example, it is well known that part of the money is stolen in the country of origin by dishonest ways, like demanding devaluation of the receiver’s currency sometimes by 50%, forcing the country to buy everything it needed at high prices from the loan givers only, so-called experts who were most of the time fresh university graduates at best, receiving excessive salaries, etc. Then come the corrupt African government officials to take their share of the money. Finally what is invested in that poor african country is minimal, although the country is loaded with debt.
            The fate of Aid money, especially the ones given for infrastructure development, in my opinion, lie in the hands of the african governments that receive the money. It can make good use of it, or misuse it. Maybe this is the reason china gives you the infrastructure, but not the money.
            Finally, the fact that africa is aid-addicted and it can’t extricate itself from needing aid, is not because it is a poor continent, but because it is ruled by corrupt dictators.

          • sara

            selam ato horizon.
            i understand all the points you raised, but on your concluding statement you seem to implicate mainly our dictators, not those who also have their own ulterior reasons to make us poor and destitute.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sis Sara,

            Since I was at the receiving end of foreign assistance of both organizations, we were receiving both military aid and food supply from foreign donors. Fortunately, the aids of both organizations were coming as one consignment to be divided between ELF and EPLF. So our struggle was rejecting foreign aid is not true. You are misinformed.

            Regard

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            I am curios as to whether there were other than the usual suspects (Yemen, Syria, Irak, and other Near East and North African countries) who provided military aids during your time as the undisputed ጉዚ master.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. You are talking dinosaur years ago. Can you please speak in reference to this century? Please enlighten us about the nature and amount of relief assistance in particular that Eritrea has received in the post Badme era?

          • sara

            selamat ato amanuel,
            when i say foreign aid ,i don’t mean the humanitarian aid that we know distributed to refugees and some inside the country during the war.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sis,

            In my earlier comment I told you not only humanitarian aid but also “military aid”. I was clearing the shipments from the Port-Sudan custom. That is why history will continue to be rewritten always to expose the lies made in telling the stories.

            Regards

          • Consolation

            Horizon,

            The military built the USA. You should read the role the US Corps of Engineers has played in building the infrastructure of roads, bridges, dams etc. In a nutshell,

            The Army Corps of Engineers provides public engineering services in peace and war to strengthen national security, energize the economy, and reduce risks from disasters.

            The south Koreans built their economy in part with huge input from the national military service. The Eritrean military is not meant just to fight wars, it is the heir (ዋርሳይ) of the armed struggle and is required to participate in the building of the nation. It is because they understand this very well that enemies of Eritrea have targeted the national service.

          • Brhan

            Helo Horizon
            Thank you. It is EU aid money with the free labor of young Eritreans during their military service.
            You got it right.

          • Sultan

            Selam Horizon:
            You surprised me by saying:
            “.. the military should not be involved in the first place in a civilian project.”!
            I forgive you for your “naivety ”!
            Few things:
            -Most of the productive force in Eritrea is in the military , hence, it is the only productive force than can do the Infrastructure Development job( Conso gave you a hint)
            -Besides the US experience as Conso hinted you, the Eritrean Exp has been quoted by top Political Science and Economic Scientists as one of the best alternative ways of building the African Economy and empowering the African Youth( A Prof from Univ of Maryland detailed this
            issues)
            You may also refer to a well researched and well articulated article on the Eritrean Exp by Amb Sofia Tesfamariam bit with some deficiency and expected bias.
            The State of Oromia has a pilot project to test the Eri Exp.
            But it should be noted that the Eritrean National Service cannot be compared to that of the “US Corpse of Engineers “ since both are incomparable in all aspects.
            The serious loopholes and deficiencies of the Eritrean style are countless , which has made it to be the most unpleasant one bit for obvious and legit reasons.
            -Being indefinite ( inhumane and intolerable that is by human standard )
            -Zero or minimum Compensation
            -For affecting negatively the family value system of the nation
            -For demoralizing the Youth and destroying its future( education, creativity, family….etc..
            -Lack of periodic evaluation and assessment and mismanagement as well as abuse of the Service along with lack of Responsibility and Accountability despite numerous feedbacks but with deaf ears The above are few of the problems, which could have been addressed constructively at least partially !
            The justification to make it an indefinite
            Service was the perceived and real threat from the south and it’s Western Masters related to illegal sanctions and the deliberately set up pull factors by same Western Countries but there was no justification NOT to improve or modify it and to manage it in a better way thereby to minimize the deadly collateral damages that threatened the very existence of the nation!
            It was a gray area but it is legit to be suspicious that the other major motive could have been to keep the Youth away for the regime to solidify its power.
            I can tell you that based on my short visit and tour of Eritrea where these National Service Youth work day and night under the worst living conditions,I could not have tolerate it and prob I would have run away.
            I understood it as to why some of our Youth have chosen to risk their lives on the seas and deserts!
            I just can’t blame them .

            My Brioher-in-Law has been in the army since he was recruited by the EPLF in 1983 and he is still with the army (38yrs!).
            He has had difficulty in visiting his kids(7)and at times,he had to “dodge-draft”,which led to his arrests and imprisonments …No promotion, no benefits ….destroyed family values and System….
            Prob he is lucky to have survived all the wars( wounded 12 times and was involved in Afabet( Nadew Commabd destruction) Fenkil Operation and the deadly Halhal fronts then after independence at Baduma,Tserona and Aseb Fronts!
            On the same token, witnessing “the between life and death situation”the Regime had been trapped into,I am not in a position to completely put the blame on it but to sympathize with it based on the facts on the ground while criticizing it for its weaknesses and failures and even for its crimes it should not have committed since there has been a chance and opportunity for the regime to modify its messy policies and to improve things.
            My point it is so difficult and unfair to completely and exclusively blame the same regime , which has been the worst victim of external interferences and pressures to the extent of being trapped into “ A between life and death situation” struggling to survive itself while trying to defend the nation and its sovereignty, which has been at cross roads .

            “ Letekemach Semay kirb new”!

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            Are you telling me your brother-in -law has been in the army since 1983 and managed to have 7 children? He had participated in numerous wars bravely.
            Oh boy! I’m sure his AK 47 must be hot from nonstop firing.
            ታ! ታ! ታ! ታ! ታ! ታ! ታ! ታ!

          • Sultan

            Guaddu:
            I see your point but yes he has been in the army since 1983 but to have/having 7 kids was not and is not that much difficult.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            Got it!
            What was his preferred weapon? AK 47 or ባዙቃ?
            I like hearing stories. You know…

          • Sultan

            Guaddu:
            A member of an elite Commando( the reason he had been assigned to the top emergencies and life-saving operations( fetno-derrash) besides being a Machine Gunner, an RPG Launcher , a BM-24 Operator as well as Tankegna.
            There is no bragging about it but it is a common feature of EPLF Tegadelti, which your fav Mahmuday and Semere Tesfai can easily confirm to you.
            A classic EPLF multi-talent fighter…
            This is not new to Eritreans but to you.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            Impressive!!!
            I believe he was also a ፈጥኖ ደራሽ in life-making duties as well. Not just life-saving.
            I don’t see any bragging in your comment. Not at all. He was able to alternate between guns effortlessly hitting the targets every time he fires his gun.
            As you said it precisely, is a Tegadelti thing. Teg Vet Mahmud has also four boys.
            Kokobe has seven children.
            I think they all keep their guns on automatic mode for emergency purposes ( ፈጥኖ ደራሽ).

          • Hashela

            Aby

            Thank you for the laugh!! Your imagination has boundaries.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            I believe the brave fighter was able to alternate between guns effortlessly. Just like Kokobe, Awate’s አነጣጥሮ ተኳሽ, he is a born winner in every battlefield he participated.
            በደረቱ እየተሳበ ሲተኩስ ይታይህ! Imagine that!

          • Consolation

            Hi Sultan,

            The reason the national service is perpetual is because Eritrea was practically in a state of war for 20 years. Had the Eritrean government not made it so, I doubt if Eritrea would have survived the challenge the TPLF thugs supported by powerful western powers posed to our sovereignty. After they saw what the evil intention of the Weyane was in the third invasion, there was no way the Eritrean leaders were going to get caught napping and they were more than justified to pursue the total defence strategy they did. Those who object and oppose that policy are those who would have loved to see Eritrea defeated. Well, Eritrea was not defeated and we should hold our heads high as Eritreans and recognize the incomparable role that our youth played in defending Eritrean sovereignty. Those traitors who denigrate them should be exposed and denounced as worthless renegades.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consolation,
            You are 180 degree out of phase from the truth!

          • Consolation

            MM

            I know you are trying to sound smart, Since you presumably know what a 180 degree out of phase means, then we will assume you have some knowledge of the science of electricity. So here is a little test. Given y(t)=A sin(2 pi f t + phi) (sorry, I have to use LaTex)

            1) What is the free variable in the function y(t)?
            2) What is A?
            3) What if f?
            4) what is phi?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consol,
            What is this with elementary equation?
            Let me give you another hint: think of when current lags or leads voltage.

          • Consolation

            MM,

            It is not an equation. And I am sure you have no idea. So just shut up. Otherwise, I going to get to you on your knowledge of quantum mechanics. Nitricc had figured out that your constant boasting was a sign of your lack of self-esteem, typical of your species.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Consolation

            “Given y(t)=A sin(2 pi f t + phi)

            1) What is the free variable in the function y(t) and what does it represent?
            2) What is A?
            3) What if f?
            4) what is phi?”

            Let me give it a shot

            I believe this is a basic sine wave (sinusoid); and……….

            A = Amplitude = peak of the function from zero.
            π = circumference divided by radius = c/d = 3.14159 = which is your constant for any given circle
            f = frequency = cycles/second
            t = time at any given cycle (oscillation)
            φ = phase of a periodic function = an angle representing the number of periods spanned in a given cycle when t = 0

            2πf = ω = angular frequency = is the measure of angular displacement per unit time.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            Definitely you found your match in Consolation . Of course, alternate exterior angles are congruent.
            Ask any fifth grader awatista.

            Let me give it a shot
            A= your grade
            f= you have to increase the frequency of your visit
            t= you have to increase the time you spend during each visit
            I don’t know what That “pie” is doing in your answer. Is it thanksgiving already?

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ወንድም አማች

            Sine wave formula y(t) = Asin(2πft+φ) = Asin(⍵t+φ)

            Pi = π
            Phi = φ

            ወንድም አማች, thank you for the nice words

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            ኧረ የሌለኝን አንጎል አታዙረው!
            ምን በደልኩህ?
            ምንድን ነው ይህ “ሳይን ዌቭ” ብሎ ጨዋታ እኔ አማችህ “ሲን ዌቭ” ላይ እየተንሳፈፍኩ ?

          • Sultan

            Abbisha:
            Please STAY AROUND!
            I will share the Attorney Fee in case if you will be served for a” Deportation Proceedings”from here.
            Minted Berrad Shahi ke shehanfulu gara will be on me in Downtown Keren!

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            “ጆሮ ለራሱ አይሰማም” ይላሉ:: ስለኔ ምን ሰማህ? ሰሞኑን CNN ስላልተከታተልኩ ምን ብለው እንዳወሩብኝ አልሰማሁም::
            ዘኮነ ኮይኑ የሻዩን ግብዣ ተቀብያለሁ::

          • Hashela

            Selam Semere

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consol,
            Forget about any signal analysis classes or any EE courses that you take, if you don’t know what this means you can’t pass Trig.
            Now go back to what ever that you do in the Bizzaro world of hgdf.
            Don’t waste my time with this elementary questions.

          • Consolation

            MM,

            It took you 12 hours to google and try to sound smart yet again. You don’t need to take an EE signal analysis course to understand it. But if you don’t shut up, the next test is going to be about Fourier both the series and the transform.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consol,
            Unlike you, I have work to do and I go to be at night.
            I would teach you and flank you on Fourier Transform.
            Now, this is my last reply to you. Waste of time.
            ይርዳእካ!

          • Consolation

            MM,

            When you boast and lie about having taken a quantum mechanics course, or pretend to be a learned person when you are not, you don’t get to decide when the derision that comes your way stops. Claiming that they shook mountains when all they did is ride Shaebia tanks to power is the type of behaviour that you have been taught and I promise that I will do my part to stamp it out.

          • Abi

            MM
            Please stop it! No school on weekends. Weekends are reserved for fun.
            የት እንድረስ!!

          • Sultan

            Selam Cono:
            Thanks for the response and I could not agree more, at least in principle and partially ; and I did state the Legit reason for the perpetual service many times ( see above)!
            “ Nonending service due to none ending threats”.
            I added :
            “ My major beef with the Regime is for not modifying or improving the National Service when there are plenty of chances and options to do so”!
            Easy said than done? May be..

            When I was in Israel, I had seen my MD colleagues including Sub-specialists and Fellows doing limited National Service in the army ( I had a brief opportunity to join them in non-security areas)!
            Am ready to do same in Eritrea.
            National Service is a NO LE and ESSENTIAL Service for nations like Eritrea abdcIsrael…. even the Swiss and the Italians are obliged to do it.
            We are only debating for good to modify and improve the service at home.
            Make no mistake that the Eritrean situation is unique and special and should be approached as such from that perspective.

            The same State of Israel was even in the worst situation and they have gone through worse situation than ours, the very reason I am in SUPPORT of the Regime, for the most part, irrespective of this and that…minus the obvious mistakes and failures , which could have been avoided specially the Human Rights and the Private Sector of the economy as well as the Education Sector among others besides implementing a Charter or a Constitution to be guided by through strong institutions and enforcement of Law and Order!

          • Ted

            Hi Consolatio
            Can you please elaborate as to why you do not allow for EU to directly pay salaries of eritrean people involved in the projects funded by EU.
            From what you said above one can easily deduct that for you, it is better to stop the development projects rather than any Eritrean gating paid by the project funders for his or her contribution to the project implementation.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon, Abdu snd all

            Indeed what you (Horizon) quoted is the reality of the Eritrean people. We have a regime that was characterized as a refuser of foreign aid and you know how much it was lambasted for. Now the Eritrean opposition is being viewed as a flexer of the giving EU-hand. Through this the opposition is hoping to flex the youth-exploiting hand of the regime. At least it succeeded in registering the bad records of the regime.

            Lets define the regime here in order to understand why it behaves in this way. The regime is composed of exclusively of veterans of the war for independence who spent large chunck of their life amongs stones, hyenas and snakes and eating a rectangle of hard hardly fermented bread. When these people think about making the youth work like slaves while as they insinuate “living in a building & sleeping in bed”, it is no brainer. They associate and dissociates (justify or condemn) every measure they take and every condemnation they receive in regard to their previous life in the bush. It is very easy for them to brush aside complaint about the youth. “The youth has to build the country without pay and barefoot (so to speak), as we brought its independence without” appears to be their dictum. They take themselves as the sacrificed or the living martyrs. And the generations that come have to reproduce their example. Things went awry for Eritrea since 1991 when they were confirmed in their Godly stature. Saleh Gadi was saying the other day, we have to stop calling these people Tegadelties (freedom fighters). They are no more since 1991. That is the thing that went wrong in starting 1991. Too late to change that, thus we are waiting for the freedom fighter regime to get martyred, hopefully in peace, so that we can build a magnificient Statue for its contribution and move on with a civilian administration representative of the people.

            Now, the opposition is trying its best to change the devastating results of such barefoot endeavour. It needs to demonstrate performance as it it deed in this one by officially registering unacceptable bahaviour of the regime, without jeoparadizing the life of Eritreans under the regime. The EU and the Eritrean opposition appear to have attained that if we read carefully the details of the agreement.
            For the Eritrean opposition, targetting the regime’s unjust capabilities that do not affect the daily livelihood of the peoole and their development is the key. More importantly, it needs to be proactive than reactive. Lobbying European governments has been easier that lobbying the scattered opposition whose action remain haphazardous thus easily attackable. If change is to be successful avoiding another cycle of 30 years, the opposition need to be more cohessive and thoughtful.

          • Sultan

            Selam Hailat:
            I missed the link.
            Can you summarize it if you can?
            Am just curious to know as how the EU works with other nations with human rights abuses.
            The TPLF was getting hundreds of millions of euros from the EU while abusing its people!
            The reason I am hyperbolically accusing the opposition is based on its record during the TPLF Era, when it was literally executing the TPLF Agenda of sabotaging Eritrea not to get a penny from the EU!
            As far as the pros and cons of delivering the EU Fund to Eritrea, there is no question about the help it can provide the needy nation but the so called Opposition sounds to care less about the benefit aspect of the aid but about ONLY hurting the regime .
            Where is the morality and the ethics of this Opposition?
            Please help me understand it better!

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            One of the links is still hanging around disregarding the “No Trespassing “ warnings.
            Check it out under Professor Amanuel Hidrat ማሳሰቢያ to Haile S.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sultan,

            It is Friday; therefore here is the link https://www.eepa.be/?p=3914.
            It is difficult to summarize a summarized presentation.
            As to the accusations and counter accusations, it is of no use other than for ኣሕሚቐካ እመልከካ purposes. Most importantly, it is opening large gates for those ኣንጭዋ ክልተ ዓንዴል!

          • Sultan

            Thanks Hailat!
            I read it twice!
            Nothing is new but the argument made by that certain lady is but an unfair and a bogus one!

            Sabotaging the development of the Infrastructure is beyond abusing the human rights since the EU knows that developing the infrastructure of Eritrea could have improved the “ Modern Slavery” through creation of jobs directly or indirectly!

            And by default, sabotaging such essential projects, which are intended for the best interest of the poor nation and the poor people including the “Modern Slaves”, is but Human Rights Abuse by all criteria and standard!

            Here is the worst Human Rights Abuse :

            Refusing to give a helping hand to Eritrea when Eritrea asked for help for the COVID-19 Crisis ….

    • Abi

      መምህር
      After reading the link the second time ( በሰከነ ልቦና) , it is apparently clear to me that the mischaracterization of the measures and decisions taken by the EU was deliberately skewed .

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      There is no mischaracterization and it is not from the TPLF land. Here is the link

      https://eritreahub.org/european-union-promises-to-halt-building-eritrean-roads-following-criticism-of-slave-labour

      Please don’t characterize debaters if you don’t agree with them or match with your sources. A little humility is needed.

      Regard

      • Haile S.

        Selam Emma,

        Now it is you who abuses the word mischaracterize who is mischaracterizing. Never mentioned you there. Did I talk about the link you mentioned? NO!

      • Abi

        Selam Ato Amanuel
        Please help me understand the following
        “… whereby further funds that were earmarked for road construction on top of the 80 million euros have been diverted to Sudan and other projects in Eritrea.”

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        The following link collaborate to the above link.

        https://www.bbc.com/tigrinya/news-54272408?fbclid=IwAR3hgxJKmUzmn8gEsJ6OvO4NZ-6gV6qdx11c4C-07eO5gSaOmNa19kXMBDM

        The remaining money from the earmarked funding will be used for other aid purposes, and not construction of roads – a project for enslaving our young.

        • sara

          selam ato Amanuel,
          i always hesitant to comment on any thing you say , because i have respect to your seniority, but allow me at least once to say a thing or two. With due respect.
          i am one of those who went to national service and have done my part until recently…. i am sure you know what i meant when i say i
          have done my part. now going back to our past, i know you and many of your generation went out to do what you should do to bring that nation we call eritrea and we still think you are heroes not slaves.
          in the same way, we went out and served our country, and its ironic
          we are or were slaves. i think, you and many of your caliber should
          think that to tell us we are slaves will not bring the result you want in eritrea.
          thank you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Sis Sara,

            An endless national service imposed to our young generation by the regime in Asmara is simply “modern slavery” to me and to those Eritreans who advocate for human rights in Eritrea. If there are Eritrean youth trapped for decades on the so called “national service” what did you call, dear Sara? To make National service for limited period to your country could be taken as an obligation by every citizen. But to let our young to be trapped to endless service do amount an to act of inhumanity. So is my opposition to it.

            Regards

          • Consolation

            Ato Amanuel,

            Modern slavery is your endless subservience to the Weyane thugs. For 20 years, you were their lapdog, running around to do their bidding, to serve them to stab your people and nation. Look in the mirror and what you should see is a cheap slave.

          • Sultan

            Selam Prof Aman:
            I might partially agree with u about the technical and managerial failures o the National Service.
            But I never heard you making similar arguments against the very reason as to why the national service has been extended.
            You had been SILENT/COMPLICIT about the non-ending provocations and threats against Eritrea by the TPLF!
            “Non-ending National Service for a non-ending serious provocations and threats”!

          • Selam Sultan,

            Last time i heard an expert in the politics of the region (Martin Plaut, i think), who said that for peace to come between ethiopia and eritrea, it will only be on the demise of tplf and the coming of a different regional government in tigray. As you know, more or less, nothing has changed after the peace agreement between the two countries. The main factor of failure being the continuing tplf aggressive politics towards addis ababa and asmara.

            Tplf is demanding the edf to remain in position at the border, and relations between addis-mekele-asmara remain sour, with mekele being the common factor of instability for the two countries. This could serve as the main excuse for the regime in asmara not to normalize the duration of the military service. Moreover, it continues to be the push factor for young eritreans to leave their country.

            Having in mind the vendetta between tplf and eplf, which some say goes back to the 60s and 70s, and now between tplf and PP, tplf as the common spoiling factor, do you think that things will remain the same, as long as tplf will continue to rule tigray, or do you think that things could change?

            The unknown factor is what will happen after the coming ethiopian elections. Tplf will be asked to participate whatever it may say now, otherwise, tplf will not have a representative in the ethopian parliament. Will tplf continue to destabilize the region and lead it to a worse situation, or is it going to understand its precarious situation and come to its senses? Or, will the people of tigray force tplf not to take tigray and its people on its adventurous journey of live and let die?

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            You said “As you know, more or less, nothing has changed after the peace agreement between the two countries.“.

            Wow, Thank you for admitting the peace agreement between the two narcissistic leaders didn’t change the situation. We were debating on this particular subject for months, finally you admitted that it didn’t bear fruit. Thank you!!
            Yes, I get it, it is TPLF (Game-Over) to blame…

            Many falsehoods have been said about TPLF and Tigray politics, but nothing seems to materialize. Just to mention few of them —

            IA:—
            In 2018 he he said:-
            ናይ ወያነ ኣሽካዕላል ኣብቂዑ “Game Over” ተባሂሉ። 😊🤣🤣🤣😊
            He continued to say “The boarder issue/dispute is not a priority anymore”.

            At the end of 2019 IA and his media said:-
            “Border dispute must be resolved”, border must be demarcated as soon as possible, bla bla… What changed?? This is 180 degree change of stand from 2018 IA “Game Over” chant. You see, IA brought the “Badme card” again. This is called “back to square one” show. Without a single gun fire, within a year, the magical and almighty Weyane made them to change their imagination/ambition. Think about 🤔🤔….

            Abiy:—
            1. In June 2020, Tigray election won’t happen on my watch, we will take action if they do so.
            2. In August 2020, Tigray election has no value, it is “የጨረቃ ምርጫ”.
            3. In September 9, 2020, Tigray election took place peacefully.
            4. Surprisingly, in September 22, regardless of the COVID-19 spread, Abiy declared to do an election. What happened?? wasn’t covid-19 the excuse he used to postpone the election to begin with?… well, you know…TPLF….

            Do you remember “ፈንቅል/Fenkil”, where are they now?? Lol…. I hope Abi can answer that.
            Do you remember the “Araya Tesfamariam” and “Lilay Hailemariam” lies…. what happened to that? It was all a drama created to divide TPLF but Tigray people didn’t buy it. You can smell truth from distance….

            The drama continues, I hope you got the trend…..

            My two cents, let’s stop pretentious narrative about the situation in Ethiopia, the country is in the verge of collapse. Pretending Abiy will save Ethiopia isn’t going to save the country.
            To tell you the truth, I hate to say it again but Abiy is done, we will be here to witness that, but promise me not to bring any excuse on that. Abiy is playing his game, the show will be over soon.

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            ከየት ተገኘህ ዛሬ? ልትናፍቀኝ ነበር::

          • Samuel

            Selam Abi,
            ከሰምኑ የህግደፋውያን ኣውሎ ንፋስ ለማምለጥ ነው።

            English premier league and Guinness Beer ይዘህ መቼ ሰው ይናፍቀሃል ብለህ ነው። ለማንኛውም የፈንቅል ታሪክ የት ደረሰ? ሰምኑ ሰበር ዜና ላይ ጠፍተዋል።

            Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            አንተና ዻውሎስ ስትጠፉ ፍርሃት ፍርሃት ይለኛል:: እንደው የዋሻ አለት ተጭኗችሁ እንዳይሆን ስጋት አድሮብኝ ነበር:: አልፎ አልፎ ትንፋሻችሁን አሰሙን እንጂ! አገር ወዳጅ ያስባል : ይጨነቃል አይባልም እንዴ? ሰው እንዴት ተጨካከነ እባካችሁ!

            ፈንቅል እንደምስጥ ውስጥ ውስጡን ቦርቡሮ እንዳይጨርስህ ስጋ:: የሰሞኑ ሰበር ዜና የትግራይ ቱጃሮች ብራቸውን አንደው እየሞቁት ነው የሚል ነው::

          • Selam Samuel,

            But, you don’t want to accept that tplf is the stumbling block that peace with Eritrea has not fully succeeded as it should. You know very well that war is not the priority of the federal government, and tplf is exploiting it.

            Come on, you know very well that there is nothing magical and almighty about the cornered woyane.

            Remember, elections were to take place in 9-12 months, and therefore, nothing has changed.

            Let me tell you one truth. Tplf will certainly collapse first, and Ethiopia will simply say good riddance, and she will continue her way to a bright future without her enemies who wish her disintegration.
            A country that tplf couldn’t destroy, any well wisher Ethiopian can save it, let alone Abiy who has quarantined tplf and incapacitated oromo ultranationalist extremists jawar, bekele g., and others, whom you like to call federalists. They will soon move to another prison for a long stay. Tplf is running short of money and Trojan horses. The future doesn’t look bright for tplf, and if there is anybody to laugh, it will be Ethiopia, and certainly not tplf.

          • Samuel

            Selam Horizon,
            The peace process wasn’t genuine to begin with, thus, TPLF shouldn’t be used as excuse. IA and Abiy used the rapprochement for their own personal ambition, which has resulted a different outcome. We have to be honest on that regard. Since the peace accord wasn’t genuine, TPLF did what it did to protect Tigray people.

            You said “Let me tell you one truth. Tplf will certainly collapse first“.
            Ok, we will see that soon, let’s be ready to not invent excuses on that. Note that we have different definition of Ethiopia, we will see which Ethiopia will prevail.

            Thanks,

          • Consolation

            Samuel,

            Ethiopia has accepted the border delimitation verdict. The TPLF have been fighting to derail it but in the process have made themselves irrelevant. It would have been better for Tigray had they done so. They wouldn’t have lost so much. You see, there is nothing horrible than to be forced to take what you could have taken willing, And I assure you, the TPLF will swallow the bitter medicine and accept the inevitable. But what is the point of trying to cover your ass after being undressed.

            ማለሊት ንኤርትራ ዝጸሞቅክሞ ዕረ
            መሪሩኩም ሓቅንት ምስ ሰዓረ
            ስተይዎምበር ኣበይ ድሕር ድሕረ
            ውሓጥዎምበር ኣበይ ድሕር ድሕረ

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui-SZtg4xPM&t=167s

          • Selam Samuel,

            Tplf can’t protect the people of tigray by sitting on somebody’s land, lands from Eritrea and Amara region.
            Indeed, we have different definitions of Ethiopia. Your Ethiopia is the Ethiopia of tplf hegemony, exploitation, dictatorship, human rights abuses and kleptocracy, as we saw over the last three decades. My Ethiopia, on the contrary, is the Ethiopia of true federalism, equality and respect for human rights. Your Ethiopia belongs to the past, never to return again. My Ethiopia is the Ethiopia of the future.

          • Hashela

            Selam Horizon

            It is also worth reading what General Berhanu Jula, Deputy Chief of Stuff, recently said in Addis Standard (Sept 25). it seems that the end of ሓሸውየ (a circular dance game performed by kids) is approaching.

          • Consolation

            Hello Samuel,

            Did you say nothing has changed. The process may be slow, but Abiy continues to undress the TPLF thugs. By changing currency notes, he has effectively emasculated the gang. Your are not being honest when you claim nothing has changed. A lot has changed but the main change is in the attitudes of Tigrayas themselves. The balloon has burst and now they realize that they are nothing but an insignificant fringe player in Ethiopian affairs. The fact that Tigrayans are happy Because Debretsion, the man that Abiy endorsed, has not been replaced tells me a great deal. Tigrayans have realized and accepted the fact that he and not the Adwa gang are their only hope.

            Even the Federalists, (the group that Amnuel Hidrat thought was the Federal Army:), which a few months back were paid tens of millions to come to Mekele, have now read the writing on the wall and disavowed their connection with Tigray.

            “አሸባሪና አገር በታኝ ቡድን ጋር ምንም ዓይነት ኅብረት የለንም” -የፌዴራሊስት ኃይሎች ጥምረት:: አሸባሪና አገር በታኝ የሆነ አጀንዳ ካላቸው ቡድኖች ጋር አንዳችም ዓይነት ኅብረት የለንም ሲል የኢትዮጵያ ፌዴራሊስት ኃይሎች ጥምረት አስታወቀ። ጥምረቱ በላከው መግለጫ የፌዴራሊስት ኃይል ሆኖ ለመቀጠል በሀሳብም ይሁን በኢኮኖሚ አሀዳዊ ቁመና ይዞ መቀጠል ተገቢ አይደለም ብሏል። ሕዝባዊ ወያኔ ሐርነት ትግራይ (ሕወሓት) የፌዴራሊስት ኃይሎችን በመጠቀም የሥልጣን ጥማቱን ለማሳካት ሲፍጨረጨር ተመልክተነዋል ብሏል ጥምረቱ። ሕወሓት አሁንም ከፌዴራል ኃይሎች ጋር እየሰራሁ ነው በማለት የትግራይን ሕዝብ እያሳሳተ እንደሆነም አስታውቋል። ሕወሕት ከፌዴራሊስት ኃይሎች ጋር እየሰራሁ ነው በማለት ኅብረተሰቡን እያወናበደ እንደሚገኝ ጥምረቱ አመልክቷል።

            Nothing can be more painful than to be rebuffed in this humuliating way by your former minions. I hope Amanuel and his friends are taking heed and jump from the ship that has sunk.

          • sara

            selam ato amanuel,
            i said i will only say one thing once to you, and i will keep my word.
            thank you.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Sis Sara,

            I understand it that you are doing it out of respect. I appreciate that. For me, it is okay to share our views even from different position as far as we did it with civility. I enjoy your engagement not only of your civility but also of being from our young generation.

            With regards,

          • Brhan

            Ahlen Sara
            Who are “we”?
            I can respect your opinion, if you speak about your own exprience.
            مع السلامة

          • sara

            selam ato brhan,
            when i said “we”, i mean those who are and were in the national service ///

          • Brhan

            Merhaban Ya Sara

            I think you agree with me that the national service or Sawa experience is now a subject of academic studies, an issue seriously observed by human right organizations and covered by significant international media.
            The subject is now seen based on testimonies of those who participated in it and I am sure you will be sad whey you hear the testimonies. Is not the feeling of thousands of the youth from the national service a crystal clear evidence that many young men and women were and are abused during their national service. Now you can disagree with me , you have only to say what I have said is fiction.
            جمعة مبارك عليك

          • sara

            ya hala staz brhan,
            yes i can agree with you , the national service could be a subject for academic studies, but it has to be inclusive… by that i mean not only through testimonies of those who left for many reasons abroad but
            with those who fully served and still serving the country.
            as i am sure you know, those who are doing the studies are foreigners or foreign funded organizations and they definitely have their agendas or reasons for making such studies d i don’t think it will not be unbiased.
            in general, there is no service any where, that is free of abuse and
            ours has its own share, and this is not limited to our current service but the pre-independence too.

          • Brhan

            Salam Alikum Sara,
            Do you think the Eritrean gov’t will allow Eritrean researchers , let alone foreigners to conduct research about the national service in Eritrea? It is like ሕልሚ ደርሆ!. The gov’t closed all the doors long time ago. And it is لا دخان من غير النار because if the service is done well why then the gov’t is hiding it from indepedent media. You know there is no single independent media in Eritrea. Because the gov’t the Arabic proverb الشباك الذي يجي منه الريح سده واستريح
            And your last sentence:
            In general, there is no service any where, that is free of abuse and
            ours has its own share, and this is not limited to our current service but the pre-independence too

            This (1)contradicts totally your previous stand, (2)it is a judgment based on evidence (which include many and among them is collecting testimomnies that you are not agreering (3)can you tell me a national service which is unlimited in the world rather than Eritrea.
            And thank you again for agreeing with me.
            مع السلامة

          • sara

            selam ato brhan,
            you are lucky , i am using employers computer that doesn’t have
            tigrnya and arabic fonts.
            i think i made my point that research or study is necessary , but i haven’t said when and how, this could be left to those interested to find their way. any research work is not something that is found ready to look at it needs a lot of effort. so lets hope there will be a chance some day some one to do the study at home and abroad.
            thank you or sharing your thoughts.

          • asey asey

            selam sara
            you can search video in Youtube “Rare look into secretive Eritrea:” by France 24 and you will have the answer there.

          • Desbele

            Thanks asey,
            What Sara who claims to be in National service couldnt see is captured by France 24 in just a 2-3 day visit. Journalism at its best!
            Will urge everyone to fwd to 16:40 – 18:40 in the video below to witness live slavery in Eritrea.
            asey, by the way do you observe how the perspective differs from the point of view of the boss and the rock breakers?
            Boss: It is voluntary
            Rock breaker: it is unpaid work, it is unlimited…
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YW95Zn4wII

          • Sultan

            FYI ,” asey “
            The video you posted or referred to, is something the Eri TV has repeatedly aired including the one while Warsay is digging,shoveling and turning stones!
            So what?

          • asey asey

            Selam sultan
            sorry for my poor english but if you dont feel sad after seeing that video i dont when.the difference is here ,the soldiers were telling you its compulsory indefinite national service aka slavery without any payment. I feel so sad for the documentary putting their life in danger though. In the video everybody is afraid to speak their mind and except the taxi driver of course .Did you see the journalist around 4:52 forcing to lie .

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Sultan,

            So What?

            How do you like to send your children and spend their entire youth serving in Warsay yikealo.

            The law that you brag about says 6 months millibars training and 1 year service.

            End of story. A day more than that it’s illegal. It’s forced labour, call it what ever you like to call it.

            If you like to volunteer and spend the rest of your life serving, no one is stopping you.

            Berhe

          • Desbele

            Sultan,
            It is slavery to coerce people to labour involuntarily with no pay. I cant believe i have to explain this to a college dropout.
            Eri TV has aired it? so what? does that justify the action? What kind of pervert logic do you have? Btw, the men are in their 50s, do they look Warsay to you , most probably they all are grandfathers and have their children in slavery or somewhere trekking the arduous journey to freedom. Even the reporter has noticed…”Just as we were about to leave , the OLD worker has a request…”
            Eri Tv may have aired Warsay digging, shoveling and turning stones, but am sure they dont broadcast what they genuinely feel about it as has been reported by France 24.
            “Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves”

          • Sultan

            Brhan:
            Sara is not justifying or fully supporting the system or how the National Service is being conducted but rather, is telling you that it has never been and it will never be close to perfection but in one way or another, it, at least, has achieved partially its goal of defending the Nation and building it despite its weaknesses and “ abuses”!

            It is only fair to debate on its weaknesses and deficiencies rather than condemning it as bring Slavery while sitting in our comfort zones….and ignoring the challenges the nation and the GoE as well as the Eritrean people have gone through and yet, expecting a Perfect System and a Perfect National Service.
            Hypocrisy @ its best!

          • Desbele

            Selam Sara,

            I am also a national service member – 8th round. I went voluntarily in a middle of war. The treatment of national service members I witnessed in my 4yrs experience in Eritrea amounts to modern day slavery.

            Modern slavery is a broad term used to encompass slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour and human trafficking .

            Below are list of indicators that someone is under slavery . I check what is applicable to Eritrea’s National Service members

            Coerced to work through the use of violence or intimidation – Yes
            Have few personal belongings, wear the same clothes every day or wear unsuitable clothes for work – Yes
            Not be able to move around freely – Yes
            Appear frightened, withdrawn, or show signs of physical or psychological abuse – Yes.
            Many governments that participate in forced labor shut down their connections with the surrounding countries to prevent citizens from leaving. – Yes

            Conclusion:
            In Eritrea, an estimated 300,000 to 400,000 people are in an indefinite military service program which amounts to mass slavery, according to UN investigators. Their report also found sexual slavery and other forced labor.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Desbele,

            Well said & we’ll put. These enablers can not send their children to face the same plight that our young generation inside Eritrea are going through. Damn.

            Regards

          • sara

            selam desbele,
            i can bring you so much counterargument but there will be no winner
            simply it will be boring to many as it was told so many times….
            one thing i noticed is you left the service very early…you are lucky and i can see it in your writing( English proficiency) and your insistence to trash the service many have paid their blood and sweat,
            i wonder what you think about those who brought you independent eritrea, where they also under slavery, if you think national service is slavery…by extension those who fought and made eritrea independent are slaves too. i hope you are not one of those who say. tegadalay was shifta,,,etc.

          • Desbele

            Selam Sara,
            1. There might be no winner in our personal arguments. But the conclusion is from UN rights investigators after the UN commission of inquiry investigated the case with thousands of Eritreans. Just remember Eritrean leaders are accused of crimes against humanity including torture, rape and murder. These crimes are committed in front of our eyes and no one can deny them.
            2. I went to serve voluntarily. I found it to be slavery. I earned my freedom. I witness young Eritrean men executed for desertion and the women shaved and sexually coerced, I saw thousands toiling in the personal farms of military leaders and Hirsha Wedi Leggesse, I saw beatings , paralysis because of inhuman punishment, I saw a mother serving in the kitchen of a battalion because her son didnt report back from leave … Sara, give it a name if you wish, but it is SLAVERY for me
            3. I attribute my english-if it is any good- to my great missionary teachers in Addis.
            4. The people of Eritrea brought independence. I believe the current leaders, especially, DIA, from the outset was shifta-an outlaw and a saboteur. Independent Eritrea for him was a means to satisfy his insatiable power hunger. Nothing for the people of Eritrea. In fact he considers them as expendable cannon fodders. Who in his right mind would think to send Eritreans to fight in Congo?

          • sara

            selam desbele,
            i am amazed that kind of proficiency could be thought in a missioners school in addis. now i understand why you have taken such position. i can also write you a whole page but that will not take us anywhere….
            its a week end and i want to share with you this link,,, that may remind you about those who hosted you in addis.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjtjuWMc_E&ab_channel=AlexAreki
            have a nice wekend.

          • Desbele

            Hi Sara,
            Sorry couldnt go to a minute with your choice. My favorite here, enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo_WYF-VKTk

          • Hashela

            Selam Sara

            There is an Eritrean song that starts with “እዋይ ነባር ምዃን ክሓስም”. Your video post fits well here to remind people like your counterdebater that their time of celebration has passed

          • Desbele

            Hashela,
            ሳላ ይሁዳ እንታይ ተሳኢኑ፣
            ኣፍልብኻ ነፊሕካ..
            Game over ዘሚርካ…
            ተሓጎስ ዝሓወይ …
            ዝተገምጠለ ጎብየ ብገመል ቀይርካ
            Enjoy
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpXCIpuUiCM

          • Hashela

            Desbele

            If you have followed my inputs here, you would realize my position to IA and his politics. For many of you, IA and Eritrea are the same. There lies the problem. Even the symbol of Eritrea seems to cause you headaches

          • Desbele

            Hashela,
            ፈራሕ ኣይሞተ፣ ተባዕ ኣይሞተ ላንጋላንጋ ሞተ። እቶም ደገፍቲ ይሕሹ ካብ ሰላሕታ

          • Hashela

            Desbele

            Sadly, in the bizarre world of current Eritrean politics there is no nuance but polarized black and white peppered with vulgarities. We have a long way to go.

          • Abi

            Hashela
            Usually Tigrinya dance is going around a circle. The worst thing happened if you dance nonstop is headache or nausea or something like that.
            This time these guys danced their way to Mekele on a straight line.
            ጀጋኑ ተጋሩ! አጆካ!
            Soon they will sing Tekle Tesfazghi ፍቅሬ ተለመኒ …

          • Hashela

            Good Morning Abi

            you know them more than anybody else

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awatistas,

    We recall that the EU has earmarked of €
    80 million for road construction in Eritrea. The Foundation of Human Rights for Eritreans has filed a lawsuit against the European Union (EU) over 80 million euros in aid provided to Eritrea. The Eritrean government is accused of using forced labour from the Eritrean national service. Hence EU has came up with the following announcement:

    “ The EU has recognized that supporting a project using forced labour is unacceptable. That is why the EU has now abandoned this policy by saying “no more roads”.

    It is a good move by EU and and as result “The Foundation Human Rights for Eritreans“ has decided to withdraw the lawsuit.

    Regards

    • Sultan

      Prof Aman:
      You and your Pseudo-Eritrean Foundation have PROVEN again being a serious Anti-Eritrea Gangs.
      Kudos to you all for executing the TPLF destructive agenda on Eritrea and Eritreans..
      Like the total sanctions on Eritrea and Eritreans did,the loss of $100 million will badly affect Eritreans and Eritrea and the Infrastructure development shall be dragged but will not never affect the Shabbos.

      • Abi

        King Sultan
        መንገዱን እንጂ ባርነቱን ማስቆም የማይችሉ የሰብአዊ መብት ተከራካሪዎች ናቸው::
        ኢሱ በዚህ ጉዳይ የሚያዝን አይመስለኝም:: መንገዱ ቢሰራ ህዝብ ነው እንጂ ኢሳያስ ብቻውን አይጠቀምበትም::
        ባርነቱ እንደሆን ጊዜያዊ ነው:: ምናል ቋሚው መንገድ ቢሰራ?

        በማያገባኝ ጉዳይ ቀላመድኩ እንዴ? የኔ ነገር!

        • Sultan

          Guaddu:
          My whole point!
          This is NOT Rocket Science but as simple as 2+2=4!

          • Brhan

            Sultan
            Rocket Science?
            So to change the issue of sanction to maths, which one is true
            a.Sanction = Weyane + 0+0+0
            b.Sanction = Weyane+ African countries+Europe+ USA+ Australia
            c.Sanciont = Weyane+the international community represented by UN
            d. b and c
            Let speak science

          • Sultan

            Birhan:
            I will; and can talk Science and Truth in their universality and totality, not partially!

          • Brhan

            Sultan,
            You know that the sanction is done by states or countries which are members in the UN.
            To say the TPLF did bring the sanction means exagerating the power of this front and minmizing the power of the UN member countries.
            Am I speaking science or fiction?
            Let me continue, why do these countires support Ethiopia or TPLF for your convience? Is this because the TPLF were powerfull not only in Ethiopia but also in the world?
            Is not the PF(DJ) accountable for the sanction? Can you answer that question in sceince even you are pro PF(DJ)? Is it very hard to ciricize the PF(DJ)?

          • Sultan

            Bethan:
            The dumbest and the most ILLOGICAL statement I have ever read!
            I should have referred you to a second grader Eritrean but just a reminder:

            Dr Susan Rice recruited the TPLF and its puppet IGAD member States to make it sound an African Origin of the sanction!
            Did you forget how Libya and its innocent people were set up for deadly sanctions for a decade or more?

            Did you read the declassified US and the Zionist State Agenda on the Middle East and N African Arab States?

            I bet you did!

            Yes, the TPLF was a strong and powerful Front in a sense that it was FULLY supported and funded as well as sponsored by the most powerful nations of the world.

            Why are you denying that hardcore FACT and TRUTH?
            Coz it is coming from a PFDJ Apologist or you live in Venus?
            Please enlighten me a bit!

          • Brhan

            Sulan
            أين اداب الحوار
            Adab Hewar sha hala?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            You missed a very important variable in your equation that would have completed your choices .
            “ The opposition” should have been presented as a choice in some kind of form. As a stand alone choice or as a ተለጣፊ with choice “a”.

          • Brhan

            Hi Abi,
            In the UN is there a member country called Opposition?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            እኔ ምን አውቄ !
            In the UN is there a member country called Weyane?
            እስቲ ብርሃኑን በላዬ ላይ ልቀቅብኝ! ጭለማ ውስጥ መዳከር አንገሽግሾኛል::
            የቐንየለይ

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            You are smarter than that. The reason I used Weyane instead Ethiopia is to cheer Sultan’s mood. Also see my reply to Sultan.
            So do you prefer Weyane or Ethiopia in this regard?

          • Abi

            Brhan
            “Yes”, “Yes” ብለናል
            ነገሩ ገብቶናል !!
            እንደ ሻማ ቀልጠህ በብርሃን ስላጥለቀለቅከኝ የቀንየለይ::

          • Sultan

            Birhan:
            Please be reasonable and logical.
            Read what I said, damn!
            “ Like the total sanctions on Eritrea and Eritreans did,the loss of $100 million will badly affect Eritreans and Eritrea and the Infrastructure development shall be dragged but will not never affect the Shabbos.”!
            Forget about the TPLF and the PFDJ for a second and contemplate on the truth.

            Thing is , u care less about Eritrea and Eritreans but about weeding out the PFDJ by all means possible at the expense of destroying Eritrea and Eritreans.
            You guys have been on RECORD advocating for the fate of Eritrea and Eritreans to be like that of Iraq, Libya and Syria!.. on a day light!

            Even the sensible Ethiopians like Kim Hanna and the Gypsies like Simon are challenging the crimes committed against Eritrea and Eritreans by the EU and the criminal Lobbyists you are cheering about!
            Shame on you!

      • Brhan

        ሰላማት ስልጣን
        ወያኔ ወያኔ ክትብል ክሳብ መኣስ ኢዩ። ወያኔ እንዳደኸመት ዲያ ትሕይል?

        • Sultan

          Birhan;
          Focus on what I said .

      • Yp

        Selam Sultan.

        Which sanctions are you talking about? Oh… you mean the arms embargo? 😉

        • Sultan

          Yp:
          Are U from Jupiter?
          Just few examples:
          -The CIA-directed German sabotage of the Bisha
          -The Eri-Airline banning

          -The banning of agricultural heavy machineries from Italy.

          -The banning of 2% rehab tax

          -the ON-GOING sabotage and blocking of the EU Funds for Eritrea

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

      I always have this concern in cases like this whether it is a commendable effort for the result. If these donors decide “no more roads” and become shy for future funding of possible projects, is it really a positive achievement for the country by the “justice seekers”.

      Even a bad government, spends some of the money for the project to show on the paperwork that donor’s money has been put to good use. There is the road too for use for the locals that wasn’t there before.

      Even if 50% of the funding went else where, and only a net 25% is used for the purpose intended, isn’t something better than nothing on balance. It is in the hands of Eritreans instead of remaining in European hands.
      I am not talking about loans, which is a different animal.

      Mr. K.H

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Kim,

        It is not about what % of the funding goes for the purpose intend, in this case for road construction. It is about the “ forced slave labor” of the so called “national service”. If it does not concern you about human right abuse sending our youth to endless forced labor, then I don’t know what could make you concern about our youth. Keep in mind that the money appropriated for the Youth for the service rendered, goes to the PFDJ coffers. These young do not have any future under the current circumstances of PFDJ rule. That is why they are living the country in drove continuously. The regime could have used the money appropriately without using for enslaving our youth.

        Regards

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

          The concern for the slave labor is universal. The question I am raising with you is, how far do you go to starve the government. A complete U.N sanction is o.k with you? The youth themselves might suffer more if the gov. cuts essentials.
          Isn’t a targeted effort that hurts the Gov. without excessive harm to the residents a better approach … was my point.
          We should be careful not to choose easy targets.

          Mr. K.H

          • Brhan

            Hello KH,
            “The concern fot the slave labour is universal”
            Slave labor in Eritrea is
            1) It is indefinite
            2) It is forced
            3) It broke the facbirc of the society: childern with out fathers, girls marrying at early age to avoid it
            4) Because it is tied to sec. school education, students are dropping out from the school and brilliant students are intentionally failing the exam so to avoid it ( because they take you at grade 11 , so grade 9 or 10 brilliant students decide to answer the incorrect questions so that they can remain in their grades
            5) Thousands are fleeing to avoid it and in their journey they are dying by smugglers , in the deseret and in the sea
            6) Mr. Kim does the above sounds universal to you?

            Thanks

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Brhan,

            The items you described are specific to Eritrea. Perhaps I might have phrased my sentence better.

            Slave labor is condemned by everyone, was what I was trying to say.

            Mr. K. H

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Kim,

            I was wondering about your phrase “Slave labor is universal” until I read your response to Brhan, by rephrasing it completely different. In any case, in the practice of the criminal regime of ours, condemning is not enough. We have to fight it practically in all front including filing lawsuit for any organization or states, that fund the regime for enslaving our young generation.

            Human right as part and parcel to the concept of “sovereignty of the people” always takes precedence over the “sovereignty of the state.” This philosophical concept holds true in the approach of my struggle.

            Regards

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,

            You quoted me saying….”Slave labor is universal” = it is the way it is all over the world.

            I said: “The concern for the slave labor is universal” =Everyone is unhappy about slave labor.

            As I said to Brhan, perhaps I could have phrased it differently.
            The way you took it is ridiculous on its face.

            Back to the point of your activity of intimidating donors to back off their assistance. Please read Simon Kaleab’s question carefully.
            I quote. “In what way will the withdrawal of the fund help the “forced slave labour”?

            Mr. K.H

          • Kibreab

            Selam Kim,

            What is even more baffling and left me scratching my head is, the money, if what I understood from the EU hearing on the subject some months back is correct, was not even going to be transferred to the Eritrean Government directly. It was to be used for the purchase of machinery, probably from pre-approved vendors in Europe, and the EU was to pay the vendors directly. No direct transfer of funds to Eritrea, just transfer of machinery.

            How this action is supposed to help the poor souls on whose behalf the funds were blocked is really a mystery. The roads are probably going to be built anyway and they will have to toil with less machinery. Sad that this is celebrated as a victory.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Selam Amanuel H.,

          In what way will withdrawal of the fund help the “forced slave labour”?

    • Consolation

      Selam Amanuel

      Eritrea’s development policy was never predicated on external aid. If the EU stops future help, then so be it. We haven’t depended to liberate or defend ourselves on outsiders.

      ከዳዕ እንተነብሐ: መሲልዎ ዘወርዚ
      ኣመሉ ኾይኑ: ከም ከልቢ ክልዚ
      ገመል ኣይብለን: ኣብቲ ወይ ኣብዚ
      ኣብ ጎደና ምዕባለ: ክበጽሕዩ ጥርዚ::

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        ደባስ

        ‘ንዳ ህግደፍ
        እኽብካብ ደቂ-ኣርብዓ
        ሰብ ክመውት ንዓኣቶም መርዓ
        የሕዋትና ክሓዝና
        የሕዋቶም ጮማታት ይበልዓ

        ዘይሓፍሩ
        ደቂ-ሃገር ኣይኮንኩምን ይብሉና
        ‘ንዳ ፈለጡ ‘ንዳና

        መታን ‘ንዳኦም ከይንገር
        የጥፍኡ ደቂ ሃገር
        ግዜኦም ኴኑ ‘ንታይ ‘ሞ ክግበር
        የግዳስ
        ነዊሕ ኣይኮነን ታሪኾም ክቕበር
        ጥፍኣቶም ክሕበር
        ወድዛ ሓላል መሬት ክብሰር
        No more ናይ ህግደፍ ኣሰር!

        • Consolation

          MM.

          ሰዓት ኣኺሉ፥ ኣብ ቀደምካ ክትምለሰ
          ይርኣየኒሎ፥ ዓርበ ረቡዕ ክትመላለስ
          መሃንዲስ ኩቺነታ፡ ክትኣራሪ በለስ
          እታ ናየቦታትካ፥ ኣዮኻ ንዓ ውረስ
          ከም ናይእኖታትካ፥ ኣፍደገ ክንስነስ
          መጸ ሰናይ ዘበን፥ ሓረክም ክሕፈስ።

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ደባስ

            ንሳ ደኣ ናይ መን ድያ?
            መዓስ ደኣ ጀሚርካ
            ንኢሱ ክትማስያ
            ኣስመራ ተትመሊስኪ ግን
            ኣብኣ ክት ሕንያ
            ብዘይ ንሕስያ!
            ንምታይሲ ን ኣያኻ ኢሳያስ
            ትገብረሉ ሓሳስያ
            ኣበይ ዓድኻ?
            ትብል ሕቶ ንድያ!

            ደባስ
            ዓዲ ‘ለኪ ዶ ዋላስ
            ከም ኣያኺ ዓዲ ኣይትሕተቱ
            ናይ ቀደም መጎቱ
            ሕፍረት ዝስምዖ ብመንነቱ
            ከም በየነ ርእሶም
            ከም ወዲ ገራህቱ
            ከም ብሩኖ ምስ ሰዓብቱ
            ኣቤት ‘ንዳ ህግደፍ
            ዘይናቱ
            ክፈቱ!

            ናባኻ

      • Yp

        Selam Consolation.

        We don’t depend on EU aid, but PFDJ and their bank accounts do.

        • Consolation

          YP,

          Your Weyane thugs became billionaires on looting borrowed and aid money. We all know that. But now all that money has been paralyzed, either frozen in foreign banks, or confiscated by Abiy. Enjoy your future.

  • Dis Donc

    A Negro here salutes you all non-negros,

    I come to you with a big sigh and per special request by a certain readership (other than Amde). Note that my sister and I have left awate altogether.

    As I was saying (two years ago) as an obligation to democratize and liberalize her economy Ethiopia has signed an agreement called The General Agreement on Trade in Services (known as the GATS) which is an important new element in the international framework that affects the regulation of every WTO Member’s financial sector. However, except for a limited number of country-specific case studies, no attempt has been made to compare WTO commitments to open the domestic banking sector to foreign banks with actual regulatory practice in a systematic and comprehensive manner on a cross-country basis. Of the many requirements of WTO being; reissuing currencies that are hard to replicate, regulation of businesses for internal and external tax compliance purposes, and with an eventuality of enforcing a worldwide trend, paperless economy. The latter meaning increasing the use of plastic transactions of which you can only do if you have the money in a bank. Or known as B2B!!

    Contrary to some chose to believe, the measure has nothing do with the strangulation of certain sectors, regions or individuals. The current leadership believes that moving forward is the only solution to the ills that have plagued and maligned the country. Some made an outrageous claim of comparing it with what happened in South America. The deleting of zeros occurred in Venezuela recently by Chavez and Maduro, who thought that he‘d get away with his mad socialist economic policies by printing money. If I have sat in a cafe somewhere (in Chile or Argentina) I’d swore to have known that the inflation of Argentina occurred in 2001, a year in which we were told that the subject lived in DC areas. The latter is true though for I had seen the subject around the library of congress. I’d also would have known that the Chilean currency is one of the strongest (on par with of the GBP) in the region. A well versed observer, as some here, should note that the Anglo Saxons gauge their lb (pound) in metals while the Latin people gauge their lb (peso, lira, peseta,…) in cotton. Hence the 1000 difference!! But then again the subject is a bigot who dusts outrageous racial insults (like negro, Yehuda, …) under the rug but pounces upon you like a maggot for a small pip.

    Personal questions only! For you lot can google everything else!!!

  • Dongolo

    Selam all. Reliable sources have it that a red-eyed Dr. Paulos is now frantically driving around Lalibela with a 2019 model Isuzu FSR truck loaded with 11 metric tons of old 100 ET birr notes trying to exchange them at a rate of 2,432 to the dollar. Subject ET birr notes are said to have a heavy Hagere Selam gesho smell with honey overtones.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Dongolo,

      You have nothing else better to say or do?

      Berhe

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Berhe,

        PFDJites do blackmail by fabricating stories to anyone who oppose them. I hope you read how these dirty thugs concocted a case to a successful Eritrean business man in Uganda. However, finally the case is dismissed and exonerated by the Ugandan court. If you didn’t come across it, I will link it for you on the weekend.

        Regards

        • Berhe Y

          Hi Aman,

          If they can only use a fraction of their evil to something good.

          It’s like they out of their way to do bad.

          Berhe

          • Consolation

            Hi Berhe,

            By good, do you mean like not cornering the TPLF thugs and their hirelings? No my friend, Shaebia will kill and bury the TPLF so that it becomes a lesson to Tigrayans never to betray Eritrea again.

          • NewDawn

            Selam Consolation, Shaebia is dead. PFDJ are only good at oppressing Eritreans. Everything else their complete failures at, their not fit to bury ‘tplf’, has this thought ever occurred in your miniscule brain.

          • Consolation

            Hello NewDawn,

            ጸሓይካ እናዓረበት New Dawn ዝብል ሽም ክትጥመቕ ኣይትሓፍርን ዲኻ ወደይ

            ክዳን ዛርቲ ዝመስል: ባንደራ ወያነ
            ጻዕዳ ከምዝልከ: ካብ ቀደም ኣሚነ
            ኣይገርመንን ሎሚ: ከምተጸበዅዎ ተኾነ
            በለሉ ነቲ ሃማም: ነቲ ዝተፈንፈነ
            ምስ ጸላእቲ ኰይኑ: ክዕወት ዝሓለነ
            ኣብ ዛንዛን ኣሕሊፍዎ፡ ርብዒ ዘመነ
            ብኸየሉ ነቲ ኸዳዕ፡ ነቲ ዝማሰነ::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Consolation,

            Bury TPLF all you want, use your 99% percent of your brain to kill and bury them. Use the 1% left towards Eritrea good.

            Such as:

            Ariam Dawit (daughter of Dawit Habtemichael, journalist) in jail since she was 3 months old.

            Mehari Haile (son of Haile DuruE) was 7 years old (born after Eritrea independence, when his father was arrested at 4 am in the morning while his children were crying.

            Asked what he remembers about his father, not much. But he remembers the scars on his body, that he didn’t understand then but understand now. The scars he got because of torture under two previous Ethiopian governments (HS and Derg).

            Even during the time he was arrested, he was given food, letter from his family and a lawyer. He was freed by the galant ELF tegadelti. Asked him what he wanted to do, he told them he wants to go to EPLF and they gave him the path.

            Mehari said, they have never heard from him since that day. They did not even able to send him food, medication, pictures or letter.

            IA spends his tome erasing all the pictures and videos, where Haile DuruE was present during the armed struggle.

            This us your legacy and that of your god. Go to EriSat and listen to them.

            Asked what advice did you remember from your father he said. He said two things:
            1) do not lie
            2) have no fear.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You are lying big time!
            Are you telling us during the derg time Haile DuruE had a privilege to receive letters from his family? Do you want me to believe that Haile DuruE had a lawyer representing him? You expect me to believe this happened during derg?
            Please don’t underestimate your readers.
            Unbelievable!!!

          • Haile S.

            ጀታው፡

            ጠበቃ የሚባል በተራማጅ መዝገበ ቃላት ኣልነበረም! 🙂

          • Abi

            መምህር
            እኔም ይሄው ነው የሚገባኝ:: በደርግ ዘመን ተገንጣይ ወንበዴ ጠበቃ ይቆምለታል ብሎ ማሰብ የዋህነት ነው::
            በርሄ ጨዋታ ጨምሯል!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Why I need to lie. You are pathetic. You should listen / hear the story of the young victim of your new found hero IA.

            1) ok, may be letter is wrong word. I should have said message.
            2) lawyer was during haile Selassie

            Now, you miss the whole reason I wrote on purpose.

            Are going to tell me now, derg and HS was better fir us.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            My deepest apologies for misunderstanding the purpose of your comment. I still don’t get the purpose.
            Anyway, am I going to tell you that derg and HS were better? No Sir. Why should I? You know what is better for you.
            I got a joke for you hopping you forgave me for misunderstanding you.
            በርሄ በግ ተራ ሄዶ በግ ያማርጣል
            በርሄ : ” ይህን በግ ስንት ትለዋለህ?
            አቢ : ” አምስት መቶ ናቅፋ ነው ጌታዬ”
            በርሄ: ” እንዴት ያለ ጉድ ነው! በዚህ ዋጋ የጠገበ አህያ መግዛት እችል የለም እንዴ?”
            አቢ : ” ጌታዬ, የሚጥምዎን እርስዎ ያውቃሉ”

        • Sultan

          Prof Aman:
          The more some of us tried to respect you and your opinions, the more you have gone awol and unrestrained.
          You too have been involved in posting unfounded and unverified mumbo-jumbo fake new about PFDJ and its Apologists and about “ Success stories” of the TPLF while fully covering up the unheard of corruptions and destabilizing efforts and atrocities by the TPLF!

      • Consolation

        Hi Berhe,

        With the TPLF thugs totally demolished and humbled, what is there to say except relax and throw a little humour here and there. We leave the wailing and crying to the vanquished. Dr. Paulos, as an ardent supporter of the TPLF, is fair game as a butt for Dongolo’s jokes. He is a grown up man and should handle his defeat like one. He shouldn’t need your protection.

    • Abi

      Dongolo
      I heard the same news except that he was not driving. The smell of the rotten gesho and honey comes from the gallons of ጠጅ he consumed under depression.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Don Golo,

      This caliber of gathering information is top notch Fishmilky and Mokie!

      • Abi

        መምህር
        Let me help you complete the riddle.
        Milking fish, snaking in the Kalahari , feeling Blue in Asmara, Mokieing Berhe, …

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Fanti Ghana

    Please allow me to interject here

    1. – “For clarity, I will ask this question again. If the old birr is only good for the next three months per the government, in the meantime, citizens are allowed to exchange their currency, and if they happen to own more than 1.5m they are obligated to open bank accounts with it, when exactly are the security forces supposed to start implementing their newly found treasure trove?”

    There are at least three types of Ethiopians here

    TYPE ONE: – Innocent Ethiopians who have more than EB 1.5 million in their house for justifiable reasons – for convenience and tradition. These Ethiopians are big business people who make large cash money transaction everyday and since Ethiopian banking system is not fully automated, it is convenient for them to have large large sum of money at home. When these people return the old money to the bank to exchange it to the new money, the worst thing can happen to them is they will be audited to make sure they have paid their fair share of taxes.

    TYPE II: Ethiopians that are licensed business people who are legally entitled to have large sums of money in their house but are also involved into Illicit financial flows activity – meaning involved into an act of illegally earning, transferring, spending, and syphoning Ethiopian money into foreign accounts. Example of these type could be
    (a) a drug dealer mixing legal money from his/her hotel business revenue with illegal money from drug sales.
    (b) a licensed Ethiopian importer and exporter using trade misinvoicing – deliberate falsification of the value, volume, and/or type of commodity in an international commercial transaction of goods or services – to evade Ethiopian customs and paying taxes.
    (c) forming shell company(s) to transfer dirty money to a bank account in foreign countries
    (D) large sum of money acquired from human trafficking
    (E) member of a terrorist organization wiring money from one region to an operative in another.

    TYPE III: These involves Ethiopians who don’t have any business licence but have accumulated a lot of cash illegally at home through bribes and corrupt acts.

    Today, Ethiopia is compelled to change its currency because of the criminal activities of the TYPE I and TYPE II crimes I mentioned above. These illegal activities and the criminals that are involved in them were wanted criminals yesterday, they are wanted criminals today and they will be wanted criminals in the future. These criminals are not apprehended to this day simply because of the Ethiopian government’s limited capability and resources.

    Now, why would it matter when – within the tree months – these criminals are apprehended and brought to justice, and their stolen money is confiscated by the Ethiopian government? I don’t see the problem here.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Abi

      ወንድም አማች
      እባክዎ ማስተማርዎን ይቀጥሉ!
      ይህ ትምህርት ቤት ከላይ እስከታች በአውቆ አበዶች ስለተሞላ የእርስዎ መገኘት ከመቼውም ጊዜ በላይ ወሳኝ ነው::
      ቅዱሳኑም ያበዱበት ዓለም ስለሆነ የእርስዎ ምክር ያሻቸዋል::

    • Teodros Alem

      Selam Semere Tesfai
      I want u to know this.
      In rural ethiopia almost every farmer that have a potential to make big money has Association/union, they sell thier products through Association/union and they save thier money in a local credit and saving institutions.
      2, in cities, the government know who make what through taxes,
      2-3 months before this whole currency exchange started, the government declared everybody to put over 1.5 million birr of his/her money to banks.

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Kbur Semere Tesfai,

      Thank you for this very nice clarification. We now have something to hook on to.

      We can safely skip Type I.
      We can also skip Type II as “lesson learned” but we will tighten our future policy with them and others in mind.

      Let’s deal with Type III.

      Does this mean that if someone happens to have more than 1.5m and they want to open an account, per the government’s order, they have to prove where they got it from?

      If the answer is yes, the policy would be consistent, but in the brief speech PMAA gave on this topic it was not stated as such.

      Assuming it is meant “more than 1.5m illegally acquired” birr will be confiscated, at least it would be fair but it brings other dilemmas:

      1) Who will determine who accumulated what, when, and how?

      If ex post facto judgment is to be ruled out, is there any reason a citizen cannot tell the authorities “it is none of your business where I got my money from”?

      2) Aside from “probable cause” (which is contentious on its own right) what current laws or mechanisms are there that address the identity of legally or illegally accumulated wealth?

      3) Doesn’t the current policy unnecessarily put citizens under the mercy, intuition, judgment skill, fairness, or lack there of a security officer?

      ———-

      One scenario I think this policy could work and accomplish the intended corruption reduction is as follows.

      1. Bring your old currency and get a new one- you have 3 months to do so.

      2. If you own more than 1.5m you must open an account with it, and include a short note how you acquired it (for data storage and future reference).

      3. After the 3 month grace, anyone caught in possession of over 1.5m will have to prove their legitimate ownership of it, and until then, the money will be held by the authorities.

      4. Do not involve security forces. It is lame and a sign of lack of control.

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ፋንቲ፡

        ….ፍርደ-ገምድል ብለህ ካሰብከው
        ወደ ፍርደ-ወንድም እኮ ለወጥከው

        ከ ጉድ ወደ Good፡ ወይ ጉድ!

        • Abi

          መምህር
          ጉድ እኮ ነው!!!!
          ቅዱሱ በቆፈሩት ጉድጏድ ሲንጎዳጎዱ
          ቁጭ ብድግ ሲሉ ሲንጎራደዱ
          ሊያጭበረብሩ ሊያድበሰብሱ ሲዳዱ
          የዘንድሮው ጉድ ነው ቅዱሱ አበዱ
          ወደታች አረጉ ወደላይ ወረዱ
          እውር ድንብራቸውን ቅዱሱ ነጎዱ

      • Selam Fanti Ghana,

        The pm couldn’t explain all the details of the law within the few minutes he had, and it was not his aim. Details of the law will come out as it is implemented.
        You said that a person could say to the authorities that, “it is none of your business where I got my money from”?, simply because the money was acquired before the law was inacted, if i have understood you well, doesn’t hold water.
        This could happen only in tigray under tplf that has refused to recognize the federal government and its laws, and nowhere else in Ethiopia. Otherwise, everybody should respond to the law of the land. When and how one should give explanations is of course up to the authorities, but certainly an explanation is needed when somebody comes with a big amount of money. The things that made necessary changes of currency are corruption and crimes, and no loopholes should be left to be exploited.
        Suppose that you can’t explain the kind of money you have, either with your business and tax records or your salary, do you think that you can tell the authorities to shut up and leave you alone, and you expect to get away with it, in a normal country with a normal government?
        The law against economic crimes doesn’t come for the first time in Ethiopia with the new law of currency changes. It pre-existed and it is more or less an international law.
        In the Somali state, for example, some money was confiscated which was not according to the law. The money was later returned to the owners by the state government. This means that the law should be explained to those who implement it. That could be done.

        • Abi

          Horizon
          You don’t know ፋንቲ መልቲ very well. All I can say is that he is trying to sanitize the illegal activities. Something like cleaning the illegal money. I mean, like legalizing money laundering.
          በወንጀል የተገኘውን ገንዘብ ከወንጀለኞቹ እጅ ጋር አብሮ ማጠብ !

          ዘንድሮ ምን የማይሰማ ጉድ አለ አንተዬ!

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            This time I was being honest and genuinely curious.

            ህዝቡ ኣምጣና ሒሳብ ክፈትበት ሕገ ወጥ ከሆነ ይወሰዳል እየተባለ ለምን ወታደሩን ሕገ ወጥ ሳንቲም ካገኘህ ውሰድ ማለቱ አስፈለገ?

            አትመን ብሎህ ነው እንጂ ይቺ ጥያቄ የማንንም እጅ ኣታጥብም፤ እስካሁን በክብር የሚጠራው የኢትዮጵያ ወታደር ቅጥፈት ማስተማርያ ትሆን እንደሆን ነው እነጂ ሌላ ምንም ትርጉም የላትም፤

        • Fanti Ghana

          Selam Mr. Horizon,

          I agree, we are discussing a huge subject based on a single statement, but what I thought was a serious issue was the security forces involvement and the open ended “if it is more than 1.5m take it” statement.

          We may not have well developed mechanisms to control sources of income as well as the west, but if the detail of the new policy is anywhere close to what Semere Tesfai outlined above it is a good start.

          “The things that made necessary changes of currency are corruption and crimes, and no loopholes should be left to be exploited.”

          For most part, that was exactly what I was trying to point out in so many words. There is a good chance some security officers will start making deals with culprits or playing favoritism and a new form of corruption will be born.

          • Selam Fanti Ghana,

            It is true that we have heard the statement “….., take it”, but with one difference. I don’t think that the PM said, take it and make it your own on an individual basis, but as an organization, meaning the police force and the military. If i am not mistaken, he even said, improve your organizations with the money. You can’t replace one street robber with another.

            One point where he insinuated ‘take it’ was to those who would come to deposit money in somebody else’s name. Now, they can deposit money only in their own names, and it is up to them to give back the money. From what i heard, even that seems to have changed. If it is a legal representation, which makes both people responsible, i think that it can be done. It is impossible for some one with big business to force him/her to be at the bank everyday.

            I think that it is up to the individual to declare the source of his income and show that the money is legal. If, for example, you sell an expensive item for some hundreds of thousands of dollars and you are required to prove the source of the money, it is up to you to show the transaction.

            Corrupt people being thieves, always try to be one step ahead. The main point is that whoever has the old currency is obliged to go to the bank wearing his own face and carrying his/her own id, which makes things slightly difficult for them. Moreover, it is going to last only 3 months, unless something changes. That is a short period of time for the economic criminals to become creative, and also, the amount is huge. Nevertheless, this is not a perfect world, and human beings will continue to be human beings. They will fight to the end, only that this time it is going to be a difficult battle for them.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon and Fanti

            “It is true that we have heard the statement “….., take it”, but with one difference. I don’t think that the PM said, take it and make it your own on an individual basis, but as an organization, meaning the police force and the military. If i am not mistaken, he even said, improve your organizations with the money. You can’t replace one street robber with another.”

            I don’t know exactly in which tape Dr. Abiy said “take it……”. Therefore I can’t review the tape. But if I understood him correctly, yes he did say “take it…….” to individual Ethiopian citizens; not to government law enforcement or government security institutions.

            And this is the rational as I understood it.

            A. – The Ethiopian law enforcement and security forces – for million reasons – have already failed to identify, apprehend, and convict these criminals for all these past decades. So, if they failed to enforce the laws in the book for all these years why would Dr. Abiy think they will succeed this time? It doesn’t make any sense; or does it?

            B. – Dr. Abiy is pleading with the Ethiopian citizens (a) to expose these criminals (b) to help the Ethiopian law enforcement with the needed information so they can be brought to justice

            C. – He is giving an incentive to every Ethiopian who helped in the lead, apprehension, and conviction of these criminals.

            D. – If the information given by an Ethiopian individual citizen ends-up in a conviction and the recovered money is confiscated by the the Ethiopian government, then the money that is recovered will belong to the individual Ethiopian citizen who gave the vital information that lead into arrest, and conviction of the criminal(s).

            2. – “There is a good chance some security officers will start making deals with culprits or playing favoritism and a new form of corruption will be born.”

            Not this time. And this is the rationale behind it:

            A. – One $100.00 EB note weighs 1.00 gm. That means a 1000 one hundred EB notes weighs = 1.00 kg. And a million one hundred EB notes weighs a 1000 kgms = one tone = same weight as a small compact vehicle. Therefore if someone has stashed $5,000,000 EB in his/her house, the money has taken a space in his/her house equivalent to aspace of five small cars

            B. – Logic says, stingy filthy-rich old-men millionaires are too lazy to handle the physical maneuvering of this size of money. A close family member, relative, a close friend, a trusted worker is going to do the physical work that is needed to do the job – position it, hide it, guarding it with his life, taking care of it from moisture, rats…… And the person(s) who is/are taking care of this money every single day, is/are underpaid, who is/are struggling in life to make ends meet. Meaning, if they get the opportunity to own these amount of money, they will in a heartbeat; and they will go the extra mile to do so.

            C. – Therefore (a) the poor caretaker of the illegal money will be a millionaire overnight (b) the government will earn at the minimum its 30% tax revenue (c) the criminal who was doing the illegal act is apprehended, convicted, and sitting behind bars.

            Fanti: I’m not naive; I’m not trusting Ethiopian politicians and security agents. I don’t have any illusion that – “fighting corruption” is one tool among many to eliminate your opponents and enemies. I know for sure “fighting corruption” is one valuable justification to get rid your opponents and to consolidate your power. I know it is a double edged sword that cuts both ways. But as the Tigrigna saying goes – ሕማቕ ሕልሚ ፈሪሕካ፡ ከይደቀስካ ኣይሕደርን ‘ዩ – or for fear of nightmare, you can’t deny your body the night sleep it deserve.

            That’s my two cents

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            PMAA indeed said “individually take it” in reference to money deposited in the name of other individuals in the hope to conceal the illegally gained wealth.
            For example, if I ask you to deposit 1million birr in your name, you can legally take that money as your own.
            That means I can’t possibly deposit my illegally gained money in the name of my driver, maid, ሊስትሮ , barber, ውሽማ, …
            When ውሽምዬ reaches at tellers desk with a sack of money, she will be asked to present some kind of document to show the money was gained legally depends on the amount. Large amounts will need a supporting document along with the supporting hand to carry the heavy sack of money.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ወንድም አማች

            እንዴ? ለውሽማም ኣይሰጥም?
            Is that legal?

            Thank you for the laugh ወንድም አማች

            Semere Tesfai

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            ሚስቲቱ ከተስማማች ለምን አይሰጥም? ይሰጣል እንጂ!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam ወንድም አማች

            Now you’re talking. That’s what I thought.

            ውሽማ ገንዘቧ ይዛ ‘ምትጠፋ ከሆነ፡ ሚስቲቱ ለምን እሺ ኣትልም?

            Thanks for the laugh again

            ሰመረ ተስፋይ

          • Abi

            ወንድም አማች
            አንዳንዴም ሣቅ በል እንጂ ! ይህ ማስተማር ብቻ ለጤንነት አይበጅም::

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Horizon & Semere,

            I talked with a friend in Addis last night on this subject and everything he said was similar to your takes plus these additions.

            1. A month before the currency change became official, the national bank and others were circulating the news and warning those with 1.5+ to open an account.

            2. What the government have in mind with the “take it” statement was meant mostly from those transporting money from neighboring countries, specifically from Djibouti, which has been rampant for years.

            Thank you, both.

          • Selam Semere T.,
            This is what the PM said. “በተለይም በሱማሌና ጅቡቲ ብዙ ብር ስላለ፣ ሲገባ በLaw enforcement agencies ከተያዘ ገንዘቡን ወስደው ከወረሱ ይወስዱታል፣ ገንዘቡን ኣንፈልገዉም፣ ወስደው Law enforcement agencies ይጠናከሩበታል።

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Horizon

            Thanks for the info

            Semere Tesfai

      • Semere Tesfai

        Selam Kbur Fanti Ghana

        Let me respond to your questions line by line

        1. – “Does this mean that if someone happens to have more than 1.5m and they want to open an account, per the government’s order, they have to prove where they got it from?”

        Yes they have to prove:
        (a). – The money they have is lean (legally acquired) money
        (b). – They have paid proper amount of taxes on it

        2. – “If the answer is yes, the policy would be consistent, but in the brief speech PMAA gave on this topic it was not stated as such.”

        I don’t know what Dr. Abiy said; my answers are not based on his speech.

        4. – “Who will determine who accumulated what, when, and how?

        The government prosecutor’s office (ዓቃብ ሕጊ ቤት-ጽሕፈት)

        3. – If ex post facto judgment is to be ruled out, is there any reason a citizen cannot tell the authorities “it is none of your business where I got my money from”?”

        There is NO application of ex post facto laws here. As far as I know, Ethiopia has existing strict laws

        A. – That are meant to prevent money laundering within the country and illicit financial flows out of the country

        B. – That clearly defines the obligation of Every Ethiopian citizen – business owners and individual citizens – to pay their taxes on due time.

        All that were enacted before the advent of the Abiy government. But execution of the laws effectively is different matter

        4. – “Who will determine who accumulated what, when, and how?

        The government prosecutor’s office (ዓቃብ ሕጊ ቤት-ጽሕፈት)

        5.0 – One scenario I think this policy could work and accomplish the intended corruption reduction is as follows.

        5.1. Bring your old currency and get a new one- you have 3 months to do so.

        5.2. If you own more than 1.5m you must open an account with it, and include a short note how you acquired it (for data storage and future reference).

        5.3. After the 3 month grace, anyone caught in possession of over 1.5m will have to prove their legitimate ownership of it, and until then, the money will be held by the authorities.

        5.4. Do not involve security forces. It is lame and a sign of lack of control.”

        A. – That is exactly what the Ethiopian government said

        B. – You’ve to have a document that prove (a) the money was acquired legally (b) proper amount tax was paid on it

        C. – After three months the money is as good as used toilet paper

        D. – Always security forces would be used in the lead, apprehension, and collection of evidence. But the actual case would be prosecuted in the court by the government prosecutor’s office

        Semere Tesfai

  • Nitricc

    Unless I am missing something obvious, this is the most bizarre policy I ever heard in my life.

    Hey Fantish; the whole thing is confusing. I was listening to this Ethiopian writer and the title was “spiritual Terrorist” and that was for PMAA. He called him Spiritual terrorist is very interesting wording. What i got from that is that what PMAA say and PMAA do is different. In open with the people talks about peace, love and forgiveness but behind the doors is different story.
    Regarding ordering the security forces confiscating money; I think it is physiological game with the people. He is trying to inflict fear in to the people. If not you will have the police robberies. it doesn’t have to be 1.5M; you could have 50K and the police can take it. there is no mechanism to enforce the 1.5M. I think it is a game, just doesn’t work that way. One more; there will be an election only if PMAA secures victory and there is no a better time than the present. All the trouble makers for PMAA are in prison.

  • Saleh Johar

    Fanti,
    Last time I said if currency change is done for political reasons, it becomes highway robbery. I also warned this method was perfected by the PFDJ. Copying it will only bring suffering and chaos. Still, wait and see the ripple effect this will have on the business community and investments. It’s using a shower of bullets because the shooter cannot use a pistol. This victimizing everyone wholesale. Pray

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Memhir,

      I was imagining the hilarious scenario of someone getting caught with 1.499999m in cash and what looks like a freshly bought grocery on the kitchen table. Praying!

      • Saleh Johar

        Fanti,
        You are going to jail! You imagined someone with 1.49999 m in cash and didn’t report the culprit! Where is that man with the money? Speak up or you are committing a crime. You can’t keep imagining crimes.

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Saleh
          You and the Ghanaian are overly concerned about the situation.
          News coming from እናት አገር is telling us people are dumping millions of ብሮች everywhere.
          Take it easy.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Selam Abisha,

            So, it is raining birr in Addis?
            You wonder why those dumping it don’t distribute it among the poor instead.

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            You ain’t kidding!
            As I said several times before, አሳዳሪ የሌላቸው የጎዳና ተዳዳሪ ብሮችና ህንፃዎች በርክተዋል::
            Rumor has it people in Tigray are burning ብሮች to save firewood.

          • Fanti Ghana

            Abisaha,

            It should be used as fertilizer. Why are we all so wasteful?

          • Abi

            Fantastic
            It is a great idea except it doesn’t decompose quickly. I suggest you remove everything you buried underground. It won’t be a fertilizer soon . You can use the money to pay down the fertilizer loans. Be smart with your money for a change.
            In the future Tigray, you will print your money on a banana leaf . Better yet, use አሞሌ ጨው .
            Warning!
            You can NOT use it as fertilizer.
            ሁሉን አስተምሮ እንዴት ይዘለቃል?

          • Selam Abi,
            You will see. Soon people will stop trading in the old bank notes, and they will choose to trade only in the new currency. You may also see the old birr raining from high rising buildings as corrupt individuals who have stashed a lot of it start throwing it through the windows.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            You are absolutely right!
            What you forgot to mention is that the person throwing the money will hit the ground before the Birr notes. I think that is how gravity works. You see, the Birr notes dance their way down celebrating their freedom, the greedy hoarder goes straight like the elevator. Boom!! 🤯

            The municipality should hire more people cleaning the streets.

          • Selam Abi,

            You reminded me of what we read about the unfortunate things that happened in the USA with the stock market crash of the 20s, when it was dangerous to walk on the pavements of major cities, because people were throwing themselves down from high buildings.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            Never heard of this story before.
            My advice for these overnight millionaires is to throw the money one hour before they throw themselves to reduce the impact and cleaning expenses.

          • Saleh Johar

            The Always alert Ras Abiy,
            Like the truckload that didn’t have an owner? like the homeless who was found with a number followed by so many zeroes? good for Enat Ager. I want it to be wealthy in biblical proportion. I know bounties overflow. Now i am going to a meeting with the Ghanian to tal,k about the situation. Not you Ras. Don’t be so touchy.

    • David Samson

      Selam SJG,
      There can’t be any other reason but political since the decision
      is made by politicians. If politicians do the same in a western country, it will lead to chaos, uncertainty, and even economic collapse. Businesses hate uncertainty and hence the EU and UK have agreed 12 months or so to smooth out the transition. You can’t just walk up one day morning and change currency. This is economic suicidal.

      PFDJ likes fanfare. When Nsu and Monkey come up with some
      gimmick, its supporters hail it as some kind of panacea. They praise Nsu for his vision and how he tricks his opponents. How many times did we hear Eritrea had discovered gold? I vividly remember Nus’ female’s troops were saying “ሽልማት ን ሽልማት ክንገብራ ኢና ”። Nsu told women not to be excited by the prospect of discovering gold. Most of the proceeds from the gold have gone “AWOL”

      I believe it achieves little political objective but could create economic chaos. Have you noticed none of the big fish of his NSU’s circles were affected by a change in currency? They are the mastermind of money laundering and embezzlement, yet the very policy which was designed to catch have skipped their net. The most likely victims of such reckless and knee-jerk reactions are business-people who do their work quietly and not affiliated to the rulingparty. Abi’s reaction could not have been different.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi All,

        I also think this will have a huge impact on the supply of Forex in the country because people will take advantage of the situation that’s created or a better way to get rid of their excess cash.

        Berhe

        • Selam Berhe Y.,

          The aim is to save the economy. Nothing, of course, happens out side politics. It is to bring money from the black market back to the normal economy. Whoever has the old currency, he/she is forced to deposit it in the bank, otherwise, after three months it has no value.
          Once you have deposited the money, you will have the right to withdraw the amount of 200k birr in one day, or the amount of one million for individuals and 2.5 million a month if you are a businessman (if i remember well). This means the difference in the amount of money you have will remain trapped in the normal economy, far from the black market or from being stored in basements. There will be liquidity for the banks. They can lend money, etc.
          The problem will be for those who have amassed illegal money in millions and billions and have dried up the normal economy. Moreover, whoever has the old currency can’t continue to hide it, because it will be useless after three months, and more importantly the government will know who has the big money. It will be a wake-up call for tax authorities, and more income may come out of it for the country.
          I don’t think that the sky will fall in Ethiopia. That is my layman opinion.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            The government should limit the amount of money it sends to Tigray. Those who amassed illegal wealth should be forced to come to Addis with their track loads of money for deposits and exchanges.
            They should only be allowed to deposit the looted money at the central bank with their business licenses and account summary.
            The authorities should reserve the right whether to deposit , exchange the money or confiscate the money depends on the account summary.
            ገቢና ወጭውን የማያሳውቅ ነጋዴ ሌባ ነው:: ግለሰቡም ገንዘቡም ወደ እስር ቤት::
            ባንኮች ጌዜያዊ እስር ቤት እንዲኖራቸው ያስፈልጋል::

          • Selam Abi,

            Do you know that only a few politicians and government officials have declared their wealth as required by the law? This says a lot. It means that most probably at least some of it was acquired by unlawful means, and the government is going to sue them for that, because time has already passed two-three times they should have declared their wealth.

            Corruption has become an endemic phenomenon that is eating the very soul of Ethiopia, especially since tplf came to the scene. This is the reason that there are so many buildings, villas and fenced lands with unknown owners, and about 113bn birr is circulating in the black market or it is used for criminal acts.

            Now, out of the 113 billion birr outside the ethiopian banking system, how much is in addis and how much in tigray, for example. It will show. Although i don’t know how much out of the 260bn birr of the new currency will be distributed to each regional state, i don’t think that it will cover the old currency that may exists in every region that may have conspired to fill their basements with it. Nevertheless, even if banks try to illegally serve friends and relatives, the amount must show in the balance, and who the people are, who got the new currency. Therefore, this time over, it will not be as simple as it used to be. I hope

            I don’t know if it was true or a myth that when tplf changed currency before the war, billions of birr in Eritrean banks were said to have been made useless, because the border was closed. A similar thing will happen when all borders are closed to smugglers who want to move the old birr back to the country from the neighboring states.

          • Abay

            Dear Horizon
            I really appreciate your effort to present reasoning and logic as to why the change of currency here is necessary although I doubt if you will be successful in convincing. I was tempted, in assistance, to post supporting you more rationales but opted against it. You know, the grey line that demarcates supporters of TPLF and the others is crystalizing out into black and white by the minute. You can read, TPLF will win, PMAA is bound to fall PMAA is always wrong, clearly written on the wall of the supporters of TPLF. I wondered why and as answers, there came several possible explanations in my mind. I just want to share one of them with you. I kind of guessed the age group of most in the forum. I also observed writing actions and reactions of interesting personalities. There are reasons to believe some are stuck in the past. In this digital age time is moving at lightening speed and some neither have the mental and physical capacity nor the willingness to keep up! And this many times comes with age; old age works against that. Personalities, without them knowing it have already completed their political shelf lives but are struggling to remain relevant. Such people in reality are not only irrelevant but also very dangerous to the very cause they claim to forward. This one is a symptom of political expiry and I am guessing, some have already expired! Capacity has dwindled to the point that hey are even becoming their own enemies, and enemies of their comrades. An example, seriously, just recently, someone alerted us that some Eritreans who reside here in Ethiopia, could be spies, supporters of TPLF and implied that Ethiopia should take the necessary action (and I personally thank them for that! It is always good to hear from the horse’s mouth). This self injury is one symptom of old age. Another example, the thinking of some has frozen in time and they think Ethiopia is not capable of maintaining its own security, and they think the security apparatus of PIA is superior and can play at will in the political field here. May be, just may be, this was true when TPLF first took power in the first year or two. Now look, the thinking of some is stuck and frozen there and then. They do not know todays Ethiopia! Its might and capacity! It has been preparing for a possible military confrontation with Egypt, one country with formidable defense force! Al-Sisy did his balance sheet for a possibility of war and realized that that option would be disastrous for him and has now dropped his war drum bit. He now walks that bitter road of peaceful negotiation! We are at such a time now! (I am already guessing the reaction to this military balance thing between the two countries and those who are stuck in time will never get it! I will be surprised if comments don’t flood this forum belittling Ethiopia’s capacity and exaggerating Egypt’s military might but so be it. It will be another example of freezing in time.) Many think Ethiopia is interested in annexing Eritrea because it wants its ports which is simply bizarre! We are doing excellent without it. Eritrea needs the port income from Ethiopia way more than Ethiopia needs its ports. Even then, if Eritrea wants us to use its ports, it has to do a stiff competition and convince us that they are better than the competitor. Port usage is purchase of service and is based on price! Many don’t realize this, again, outdated shelf life and thinking frozen in time. Some in the forum act out of compulsive hatred and that unchanging fixed archaic desires they have and transgress all rational, logic and care less doing so. There is a say in my native language, and actually in Amaharic too, that goes like “You cannot wake up a person pretending to be sleeping”. People support the change of currency here, including the Tigrians minus TPLF! It would ideally be one interesting engagement topic motives were genuine I wish there would be a way of motivating the new, the young Eritreans those who will take over the country. They would better understand the digital age than the many who keep on confusing time, who sing the song of Easter when they should be singing the song of New Year, so to speak! God forbid, people who are so outraged to the point of losing logic and rationalization, who do not eve bother for the safety of their fellow countrymen, can you imagine what they would do if they were to miraculously become leaders themselves! Lord have mercy!
            I thank you and regards
            Abay

          • Abi

            Abay
            ታላቁ አባይ !
            Brilliant!!!
            የኔ ባትሆን ይቆጨኝ ነበር!
            በቃ ምን ልበልህ ? መውደዴን ወደድኩት !!

          • Consolation

            Hi Abi,

            ተራራ ያንቀጠቀጠ ወያናይ ትውልድ
            ሀገር ስያተራምስ ሲዘርፍ ሲዘለብድ
            ስንቱ ወደደው መውደዱን ሳይወድ
            ስንቱስ ወደደው መውደዱን የሚወድ::

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abay,

            I hope all is well. I didn’t reply to your reply from yesterday as I was a busy. For some reason I don’t seem to find it, unless I am missing.

            I hope it’s not the reason that prompted you to this long post.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abay,

            I read your provocative statement. But, I will let go this time.

          • Selam Abay,

            We are used to the negative attitude that exists; that Ethiopia is always responsible for their problems and PMAA does nothing good.

            When you said yesterday that our leaders are young, it said everything. They were characterized as naïve and incompetent by their detractors. They have already matured enough, and their old and dilapidated antagonists are in a daily decline. They do not understand how much they have become the stumbling block for change and the heavy weight tied to the legs of their young people. As you said, they are stuck in the past that doesn’t exist any more.

            At this old age they have missed their priorities. They have replaced Abiy for IA, and Ethiopia remains always the problem. Some of them say that they hate Abiy because he is a danger for the sovereignty of Eritrea and he is against the interest of the Eritrean people. Abiy is the same person who accepted the eebc decision, which was shelved by tplf whom they support with all their power. Instead of condemning tplf for the greater tigray scenario, which in actual fact is against Eritrea’s sovereignty, they accuse the Ethiopian PM, who signed a peace agreement with Eritrea. This shows their disingenuous nature.

            Whitewashing tplf’s anti-ethiopian history and demonizing Abiy for what he is not, is their permanent mission. They call him a dictator while tplf was one of the worst dictators that ruled ethiopia. They call him a unionist because disintegrating Ethiopia is their lifelong plan. They even call him incompetent while he has quarantined tplf and he has incapacitated their trojan horses, jawar, bekele g., dawud ibsa and others, etc

            They know the might and capacity of Ethiopia, and that is their biggest problem. Al Sisi is himself in big trouble. Not only that he is confronting Turkey in Libya and in the Medterreanean sea, he doesn’t seem to be safe even at home. It seems that egyptians are demanding for his head on a platter, lately.

            The hate such people manifest towards Abiy and Ethiopia is the result of frustration that comes out of their own failures, and ethiopians shouldn’t worry at all. .

            Finally, you should know that there are many people who would like to read your opinion, the forumers and the thousands who visit the site. Do come back.

          • Abi

            Horizon
            This is the sweetest news
            You can’t bring more than 10,000 Ethiopian Birr back to the country through the boarders.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Jetaw,

            Which borders? Even if you include the southern border of Tigray as one of the borders, no problem, money will pass through Eritrea, because the border is not yet demarcated 🙂 🙂 :-).

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ነገሮችን የመረዳት ፍጥነትህ አቻ አይገኝለትም:: ” አዲስ ቀመስ” ከሩቅ ያስታውቃል:: ምንስ ቢሆን የሸገርን ውሃ ቀምሰህ የለ?

            “የልብ አድርስ ” ማለት አንተ ብቻ ነህ::
            እንኳን የፃፍኩትን ያሰብኩትን የምትረዳ አንተ ብቻ ተገኘህ::
            ትግራይ ማገዶ ረክሷል ይላሉ !

          • Simon Kaleab

            Horizon,

            Are you Rip Van Winkle? You must have taken a nap for a while. Corruption has been the life blood of Ethiopia, at least since the emperor’s time, all the way through the killer donkey Derg and now.

            The gravy train will continue, whoever is in power. Relax, don’t get worked up too much. To soothe your spirit, listen to ‘Have a Cigar’, by Pink Floyd.

          • Consolation

            Simon Kaleab

            Under the TPLF, corruption became the way of life. At a Weyane meeting, Alem G/Wahid was accused of owning 5 buildings. His reply was that that was a defamation of his name since he only owned 4. I mean, when a leader admits without blushing that he owns 4 building and saying otherwise is defamation is beyond comprehension. Perhaps, the TPLF thugs limited the number of buildings that one of them can own to be 4. It is rumoured that the reason Samora and other TPLF leaders preferred to stay in Addis is because they have 4 or 5 buildings in Addis. Abiy should go after them and return to the people all the stolen wealth.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Consolation,

            I hereby suggest you take Alarm G/Wahid, with your evidence, to court.

          • Consolation

            Simon Kaleab,

            It is not my job to do that. As for the evidence, this is chronicled in a book by Berhane Tsegab, a former member of the TPLF CC, who was at the said meeting. The title of the book የኢህኣደግ ቁልቁለት ጉዞ (2005-2010) የስብሰባዎች ወግ:: Abiy’s government can use the evidence to take Alem G/Wahid to court.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Consolation,

            Ok, good.

            Submit all the evidence and ask the Abiy’s government to prosecute.

          • Consolation

            SK,

            I had so far assumed you to be an eritros. I never knew you were an agamidos!

          • Simon Kaleab

            Consolation,

            I did not see your deleted remark. If it was against me, I would have made you cry for mercy with my reply. I don’t mind street fights with the lumpen proletariat.

            My clear message to you: Your noise is deafening. You are wasting your time here, if you want results, take your case against the TPLF to the appropriate court.

          • Consolation

            Hi Ugum,

            I hope the moderator keeps this until you see it. I said you are a dirty agame. If not, you are worse than that. You are a servant of the qomalat Agame.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Moda’; i think you are the one being racist in here. what is wrong saying Agame? they are proud people and they even have Agame university. It shows that you are the one being racist. in your mind to say Agame is bad thing, no. it is all in your mind. in fact, you have no courage to identify and accept that the Agame people are exist and proud. i ask what is wrong with saying Agame? take it easy.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Wow! Private sole-cell
            Did Consolation say Agame? Do you know that Isayas’s family are from that region, Just like Ambassador Wedi Gerahtu and a lot of Himbiriti residents? Ask your father on that btw. He will understand.
            Nothing wrong with saying that but how you say that.
            How about if someone called you hey you private Negro?
            Negro just mean black but how he called you make a big difference.

            NB: Looking at You Tube, Adigrat, capital City of Agame is on hig ground compare to our Used to be beautiful city of Asmara.

          • Nitricc

            MM you are from the proud people of agame, so no wonder you get an erection when your land of Adi-grat called. if you are an Eritrean, i will willfully reject my Eritrean blood. you are disgraced to human any human race. engineer my foot. you are stupid and ignorant, you are soiling the name of engineering. get the F$%^$%$^%$ out of here, stupid.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private sole-Cell,
            I am Eritrean. The question is, Are you?
            Those with questionable blood are the one ruining Eritrea. Got it?

          • Nitricc

            MM the best prove i have is that you are not Eritrean is you brag. You must be proud Agame. you are nothing but waste of human being. don’t Brage. how is uber going for you?

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private sole-cell,
            I said ask your dad and you will be disappointed.
            It is about time for you Eritrean to be pretenders and no more silence from Deqibat.
            Your time is over.

          • Consolation

            MM,

            I am not going to call you same. But I am certain you are from south of the Mereb. Be proud of your identity. But I suppose that now you are reduced to begging instead of stealing Ethiopian wealth, you wiil come knocking to get your old jobs in Eritrea. But I doubt if you will get that. You better go to Yemen and misery!

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consol,
            I am as Eritrean wedibat as you can find but the question is are you?
            I am not the one worshipping Deqi 40 but you are.
            Isyas is wedi 40
            Kisha is wedi 40
            Monkey is wedi 40
            Wedi Gerahtu is wedi 40
            and many more
            It is funny, those are the ones who make the most noise about who is Eritrean.
            You sound one of them to me.
            ይኣክል ንደቂ ኣርብዓ!

          • Abi

            General
            You said,”…so no wonder you get an erection when your land of Adi-grat called “.
            First, thanks for the laugh.
            Second, you just crashed viagra’s stacks. I will sell all my shares as soon as the markets open. I suggest you do the same.
            Third, you don’t know MM very well. He is battery operated. As long as he is fully charged …
            Anyway, still laughing.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            In Eritrea, most of those who use the word ‘Agame’ have roots from that region. It is identity crisis at work.

          • Consolation

            Hi SK

            Really, is that how you cheat yourself? But I assure you I have the knack to smoke them out even when they are behind a screen. You and your buddy’s stench is overpowering. I have an allergy to that odor. You may get the protection of the moderators here but you are always despised by Eritreans.

          • Simon Kaleab

            Consolation,

            You must be deaf and dumb.

            Are you an Oromo pretending to be an Eritrean? You have been crying about the TPLF day and night with no concrete results because you are at the wrong address.

            Try Ethiopian websites or their courts. Now get lost!

          • Consolation

            SK,

            Weyane is dead. The only remaining rite is its funeral.

            ዕረ ወላ ይኹን፥ ውሓጦ ነቲ ወረ
            መንፈስካ ናነጸጎ፥ ወያነ ከምዝተሳዕረ
            ዝቐረየ እንተሎ፥ ኣብ ጕድጓድ ክቕበረ
            ክበሃል ንሓዋሩ፥ ነበረያ ነበረ::

          • Simon Kaleab

            Consolation the stray Oromo,

            Wrong address.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            Let me agree that the aim is to save the economy. All the scenario you played out is good and I hope it will work out that way.

            I have listened to someone (must be in charge of the whole thing) and he was giving similar explanation how things will happen.

            1.5 million seems to me the magic number where no questions asked people are allowed to exchange. Even that amount, I think it’s very generous (even though, I fail to see how many millionaires are in Ethiopia that can possibly have that amount of cash seating around), so I understand with the government actions.

            The question is what happens to those that have over 1.5 million and how do they get rid of it / exchange it. I am not endorsing or sympathizing with them, but being they type of people they are for having this much money in t he first place, it’s hard to imagine to expect them to just lose it or risk of getting to jail.

            So they may find other ways to get rid of, and they my just dump it to exchange for forex such as the US and that will create a shortage.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You are learning slowly. Listen to the news. People are dumping money by millions.
            የአዲስ አበባ ሰዎች ወያኔዎች በተዘረፈ ገንዘብ ህንፃ ሲገነቡ ምን ይሉ ነበር መሰለህ?
            ይገንቡት! ነቅለው አይወስዱት? ቀሪ ንብረታችን ነው::
            አንድ ቀን ተጠራርገው እንደሚጠፉ ህዝቡ ያውቅ ነበር::

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            You brought rational questions. As you may understand we are discussing the topic depending on the news we have read and the videos we have watched, living far from the land where the events are taking place. Therefore, we don’t always come up with the best answer.

            Let me try to answer your question with another question. What happens if you are caught moving around with more than 1.5m? The answer seems to be, the money is confiscated.
            Now What happens if you are caught with a similar amount of money as you go to the bank? I don’t know the answer. Logically, there might not be a problem, but the difficulty may be to explain how the money came to be in your hands, at a later date.
            If a businessman goes to the bank with 5m birr, for example, will he have a problem? I don’t think so.
            The most important thing, in my opinion, is that people obliged to deposit in banks any amount above 100k birr and open a bank account and not to move around with more than 1.5m birr, and even then his/her bank account must show that that kind of money was withdrawn from a bank recently.

            I hope that confused myself, i am not confusing you. But that is how i see it.

            I think that whoever may have the old currency in his/her hand, it is a hot potato from the time the currency was changed, unless deposited in a bank. The first thing one has to do is exactly that, in my opinion.

            Finally, as much as foreign currency is concerned, first of all i doubt that the amount that circulates in Ethiopia can cover the 113bn birr in private hands, and whoever may have them, it is the wrong time to depart from their dollars, euros, etc.. You don’t change your good money with a currency which is being withdrawn from circulation, however cheap you might find it. Worse still, the old currency might find it difficult to pass in the marketplace for the coming three months it remains in circulation. It is like telling the vendor to take your birr to the bank for you at the expense of his time.

            In some European countries like Sweden, where cash is more or less out of use, and debit cards or credit cards are in use, you may not be able to purchase with cash or you might be charged more. The reason is that cash is not secure and one has to waste time taking it to the bank for deposit, while with cards, it is a matter of minutes to do business.

          • Berhe Y

            Thank you Horizon,

            You make sense.

            “113bn birr in private hands”, that’s a lot of cash.

            Berhe

          • A.Osman

            Selam Berhe,

            I am catching up with new currency change, it is a de ja vu for us Eritreans.

            A question for the Ethio forumers, do people use cards in Ethiopia….do you have cash machines in Addis and elsewhere. Pardon my ignorance. Just want to understand how far the government is prepared in shifting gear and reducing the use of cash.

            With all the mess, I admire Somalis in their speed to adopt technology….e-payments using mobile credits, cheap home calls using voip etc…

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Saleh Johar

            AOsman,
            Your question should have been brief: what is the power distribution, traditional, batteries, generators, or solar? I think ATM machines need energy.

            But as you said, for Eritreans it is deja vu, others will have to go through a practical crush course.

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Saleh,

            The reason I bought the Somali example is to show that there are creative ways to do banking without the ATM. Private telephone companies adopted the mobile top up system as credit. You would pay a poor man carrying your shopping with your phone….this I heard maybe 10 years ago from a colleague at work…Now they may even have progressed further.

            Their advantage was that central government was weak to interfere and they had a capitalist system in play. They also suffered the side effect of no central power with the luck of infrastructure investment to supply water, electricity etc…but we can learn much without going far from our continent,

            I fear that crush course may be more painful than ours, considering the size and risk.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Abi

            Selam Ato Saleh
            እንኳን ደህና መጡ:: ይበሉ ወንበርዎን ይረከቡኝ:: ሃላፊነቴን በትጋት በኩራትና በታማኝነት ተወጥቻለሁ::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi A. Osman,

            May be you have better luck but I am done commenting on this issue or anything to do with Abiy if it doesn’t involve Eritrea.

            They have become too sensitive to tolerate the slightest criticism on things he says and things he does.

            I am sure you have better recollection but to remind what followed in Eritrea following the currency change.

            1) limit 5000 per month in cash
            2) chopped exchange rate by at least from the going rate then
            3) virtually no black market for money exchange
            4) reduced rent and other costs
            5) implemented fixed prices of basic needs such as sugar, oil, bread and others

            Berhe

          • A.Osman

            Selamat Berhe,

            I understand your resignation, it is a vicious cycle. The focus is more on taking down Weyane to their knees, the consequence is secondary as most forumers are not affected by the game.

            Somehow, I have this feeling that the currency change presents a big opportunity to fix the problem with lack of deposit in the banks, but if the banking system is not strengthened to build public confidence, it will become a wasted effort. The measures taken to prevent flight will damage whatever confidence there was before.

            When the deadline is over, we will hear of birr shortage in circulation, the consequent increase in birr exchange rate will be celebrated as a success story, but the shrink in the economy will be overlooked and that’s is the the pain that will last longer. Covid 19 will likely be used as good cover to blame the economic challenges.

            Regards
            AOsman

          • Berhe Y

            Hi AOsman,

            You are correct, and I think it would better to see things critically and learn that may follow. In Eritrean case, the people are battle tested, as due to lots of similar hardship they endured over the successive governments such as boarder closure, curfew, sanctions, drought and not to mention support from abroad (almost every family) has.

            The Eritrean government is able to take extreme measures and get away with it passing the responsibilities to the people with an attitude of “deal with it”. And most off all the government doesn’t care about anyone confidence to the economy (such as investors- which it doesn’t relay on or care).

            I am not saying Ethiopians are not, but it helps to see to have prospects.

            Let’s not forget, IA held regular public meetings with the public, asked all kinds of questions and gave convincing replies. He started with a simple change around 1995 “special court” while constitution was drafted to deal with “corruption issue” and wanted the “courts off limits”. In short he gave his security/ military total control to do what ever they wanted to do.

            When I heard Abiy give the military authority to confesticate it reminded me that time, where IA told the university law student about the illegal nature of “special court”, told him, you do your studies and we will do our governing, to a cheering crowd.

            And here we are.

            Berhe

          • abdu

            salam Ato Berhe

            So they may find other ways to get rid of, and they my just dump it to exchange for forex such as the US and that will create a shortage.

            TPLF was expecting change of currency is going to happen, that is why the exchange rate in black market is 1USD = 45BIRR They were exchanging the stolen BIRR at any rate. the stolen BIRR was the whole reason for inflation in Ethiopia. Before they kicked to Meqele exchange rate in black market was1USD= between 18 – 20 BIRR.
            The last two years they were busy money laundering. Would you expect in weqro and other small towns the price of 100 square meter over 3million?
            Back in Eritrea when the government change Nakfa any amount under 20,000 Nakfa there was no question but In Ethiopia they are lucky it is way up. so the only thing TPLF is going to do is they will give to the forgotten family of martyrs.

            finally let me tell you what happen in Eritrea those individuals who had more than 20,000 they gave to their family and friends to exchange for them.
            But there was people who burn Nakfa. and some prayed a funeral prayer before they throw it .

            thanks

          • Consolation

            Said,

            None of the people I know had this problem and i assure you most of them had much more than 20,000 Nakfa in the bank. It was only the thieves and criminals who got caught. The same is happening in Ethiopia and no one is going to waste their tears if the Weyane thieves are the losers. You seem to be certain that the Weyane had converted their stolen wealth. But what we observe is a subdued and grieving Tigray. BTW don’t you think that whoever was paying 3million birr for 100 square meters in Wuqro had lost tremendously whether he stole the money or earned it honestly. Do you think, when the dust settles, his 100 square meter plot is going to get him 3,000 birr of the new notes?

          • Nitricc

            so the only thing TPLF is going to do is they will give to the forgotten family of martyrs.

            Hi Abdu; great idea. Let’s assume the thugs will do that then who gets the credit, PMAA or the thugs? I will say PMAA.

      • Saleh Johar

        David,
        when true politicians do it, they do it to register some business friendly change or economic growth that the business people would like. And that gets them popularity and vote. Imagine any ruling party in the West doing it to defeat its opponents!!! AS you know, changing currency is mainly a financial decision even if they are politicians… but it should not be ruler serving and partisan.

        What amazes me is that many people think the wealthy were oblivious to Abiy’s currency change plans! I am sure they have their own connections (they can buy information or it is offered to them by some official for a benefit). They are not dummies and if they are as corrupt as they are being portrayed, they already know the tricks and are a mile ahead of any plans targeting their money. But what bothers me most is the ‘Game Over” slogan that is never over! What is the so-called game over is induced by any other political player, or situation? Wouuld they still claim victory for predicting it? I have one prediction to make, they will build a new road in Ethiopia. Remember: any road they build in the future, I predicted it first here 🙂

    • Nitricc

      Last time I said if currency change is done for political reasons, it becomes highway robbery. I also warned this method was perfected by the PFDJ. Copying it will only bring suffering and chaos. Still, wait and see the ripple effect this will have on the business community and investments.

      Hi SG very unfair and deceptive statement. Your web-site has published under Gedab news about the none disappearance and none existence of large bills in entire Eritrea. The reason was it was happening what is happening to Ethiopia. The reason Eritrea left with out 50 and 100 notes was because of money laundering from Sudan, Tigray and Djibouti. All the large bills were concentrating on those countries Eritrea left high and dry. The smart Eritrean government changed the currency and and they left high and dry. The TPLF thugs are the most losers, although they try to recover by using it once the border was open but again the border shut in their face. So, my point once about the case your web-site reported the truth with what happening, you can’t turn around and call it ” high robbery that is perfected by PFDJ. go back and read Gedab news.

      • Abi

        General
        I think you need to wait for a while until SGJ gets back to you. I’m also waiting until he finishes his meeting with Saint Fantiness regarding the current situation. I believe the meeting takes place in Mekele. This is the only reasonable excuse I could come up with for his disappearance. Still waiting for him…
        Still waiting…

      • Saleh Johar

        Nitricc,
        Sorry. Still in a meeting. I delegated Aby to cover for me. His explanation is as good as mine. Cheers

      • Sultan

        General :
        I think you could have been one of the best debaters here if you just modify few things :
        -minimize the adjectives U use and tone down your rhetoric u use
        -avoid generalization
        -avoid your sources from the Facebook Mumbo-jumbos
        -proof-read you comments.
        Granted, you are spot on most of the issues and the subject matters debated on questions and issues at hand!
        My take on few issues:
        On Constitution and Law and Order:

        -Law and Order along with strong Institutions are the main core principles of a Constitution
        -Checks and Balances and Enforcement of the Laws and Institutional Guidelines are part and parcel of the Constitution
        -Assuring and respecting the rights of citizens by doing their obligation is also the core principle of the Law and Order ( Constitution
        None of the above are being respected or achieved in Eritrea to my best knowledge!
        As u said, Elections are NOT essential when the nation is unstable and under a threat both from Inside and outside.
        On the Hypocrisy of the Forymers here:
        There is nothing you can do about it since they are doing it knowingly and purposely but you can challenge them twhat they say but with civility!
        Unfortunately , they don’t accept facts and truth whereby hide facts and the truth from PFDJ and its alleged Apologists.
        They call it Jingoism when you challenge them as to why they:
        -have remained silent and indifferent(complicit)about the destructive role of Eritrea’s bloody enemy, the TPLF, fully knowing that that enemy has contributed for the most part to our Misery by doing their best to divide and destabilize Etitrea and Eritreans through tribe, religion, region and tribe based politics .
        They have blamed the GoE for the push and pull factors , for the illegal total sanctions , sabotages of all kinds and the policies of isolation, containment , the evil axis and provocations by same TPLF…
        They cheered and petitioned for the sanctions on Eritrea and they even lobbied and petitioned for blocking the life saving EU FUNDS for the infrastructure for Eritrea and Eritreans in the name of slavery when in fact,the EDF and the Eri Youth have done miraculous jobs of nation building…. even after being well compensated after the nation got up from the ashes and has stood up on its feet!
        They brag about human right abuse when in fact,what they are doing against the EU FUNDS for life saving projects in Eritrea is the WORST HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE!
        They brag about and insist on their well coded agenda and slogan of “ Weeding out the PFDJ” by all means possible including at the expense of losing Eritrea .
        They make up stories and use it as a toxic propaganda that Dr AAA and PIA are for federating Eritrea with Ethiopia when the “Seven Pillars of Peace Agreements” say otherwise!
        They, not only NEVER EVER uttered a single word when the TPLF was ready to overrun Asmera and reverse our Independence but have been also part of it.
        They called Dr AAA Anti-Peace Lord and the enemy of Eritrea when, in fact , he DECLARED Peace for Eritrea unconditionally by removing the gloomy clouds over Eritrea.
        They cheered with the true and major enemy of Eritrea when same enemy declared the agreements and verdicts as VOID, NULL and a Legal NONSENSE and kept Eritrea under sanctions and sabotages of all kinds and under the deadly policies of Isolation, Containment and No Peace No War status, which contributed to the biblical scale exodus, economic meltdown and choked Eritrea so as to die a slow death as declared openly by the same TPLF!
        Those opportunist ya and sell out mercenaries were no eel here to be found when Eritrea was in the verge of collapse; worse, they have been part of this evil destructive agenda!
        And yet,they call it jingoism when they are challenged objectively, truthfully and factually!
        But those truth and facts are not valid since they come out from the PFDJ and it’s Apologists… a new definition of truth and facts.
        I could say more but…

        • Nitricc

          Hey Sultan; i do appreciate your advice. However; when ever i comment, i am doing other million things, Frankly; i shouldn’t frequent as i am but when i see the Eritreans digitals who are defending the thugs day in day out, i just can’t hold it. Anyway; i will take it easy and i head your advice. Thanks.

  • Nitricc

    What is up with PMAA?
    I do like PMAA and I hope he succeeds in to leading Ethiopia to wards peace and prosperity. I am thankful for his role in to helping Eritrea for the sanction to be lifted, I really, I am. Having said that, observing his actions and the way he leading his country is very confusing. When Engineer Saminew died; PMAA didn’t even showed any emotions and he never even mention his name, let alone to honor him, yet when General SaAre and Huchalu died, he was taken and sadden. Why?
    We all know that Eskinder Nega and Jawar are arrested with same crime, terrorism, yet, they are hold not only in different prisons but very different standards. Jawar is treated very well while Eskinder is languishing in Qilinto. Why?
    When Shashemene was burning and people were getting killed; PMAA was busy showing of his brand-new park. It is good that he is building parks but is that priority? We are talking about people getting killed and properties getting burned, again where is PMAA’s priority?
    I am assuming, in a democratic system; changing currency needs to be debated and majority vote or the board of trustee in federal treasury should have been involved. In fact, the secrecy of the new currency tells me none of the above happened. I am sure if they had debated, take votes or involve the federal treasury; I am very confident it could have leaked. Therefore; it must be decided by PMAA and of course with few experts. Not only the act signals one-man rule but was the currency change was it economic or political?

    When PMAA was honoring the companies, who had paid their taxes; he gave a speech how his administration won’t tolerate, corruption, embezzlement and deceit, yet, when 90-K condominiums disappear under his nose, the person who must be questioned was transferred to other position on your administration. Why?

    Being terrified but going ahead and doing what must be done—that’s courage. The one who feels no fear is a fool, and the one who lets fear rule him is a coward.”

    • Kokhob Selam

      Dear Nitriccay,

      Now, you are very professional talking from deep understanding of the entire Ethiopian situation,,You must ask more question about the nation called Eritrea to come to perfectness,,Why Eritrea is without constitution? That is the basic question.

      KS,,

      • Nitricc

        Hey KS; do you want to me say anything about PIA’s Eritrea? why would i say anthing about a man (PIA) single highhandedly fought and won against UN, AU, EU, the USA, Ethiopia, sanction, Yemen, Sudan. The war against TPLF itself and countless want to be oppositions and their handlers. After all those years, the man is standing. I don’t care what your political position is but by just examining the last 20+ years, one should have nothing but respect and admiration. The man is simply with the titanium balls. Like I have said, I don’t look at his political activities or anything else, but look at what he overcome with and where he is at present. For me he is a winner and I love and respect winners. The one ignited the war to destroy him? Well they are confined in one killil and they send to Dubai one of theirs to do shop medicines. While the PIA is walking all over 4-killo. That says everything. However; I will say something when there is something needed to be said.
        Why don’t I say something about the Eritrean constitution? Well, because I agree with government of Eritrea. No election should be held and no constitution should be implemented. Eritreans should wait and do it right. There are too many paid Eritreans and want to Eritreans, ready to create disorder and unrest in Eritrea. If carry our election and implement the constitution; that is the crack they are waiting for. NO.

        • Kokhob Selam

          Dear Nitriccay.

          I want you to say the truth..only the truth but none that is all…See internally not external..All problems can be solved from within as you totally agree..”UN, AU, EU, the USA, Ethiopia, sanction, Yemen, Sudan.” all are not important if you look in and solve the internal problem. See, now you are in trouble while you want to blame others. That is not scientific even my add to the problem that already had..

          KS,,

          • Nitricc

            See internally not external.

            Hi KS; forget internal worry external. consider and rethink your location and the strategic importance. I disagree; you need to worry external.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nitriccay,.

            ” I disagree; you need to worry external.”

            We have to work more and more..We will have to think common to solve the problems..We should to unite to solve the problem to go develop that is all..Think of rule of law and we will go advance till we dismiss it again to follow natural rule like automatically..Handover to the people and let the people chose what they want…Let the people govern them chose….

            KS….

          • Nitricc

            Hey KS; what i really agree with you is that Eritrea needs functional rule of law. I don’t care if Eritrea is led by dictator, i don’t care if there is an election, i don’t care if there is constitution but a rule of must be. You can just arrest people. NO! I know some of you how are you going to have a rule of law with out constitution? Well look to UK.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nitriccay,

            Yes it a bit better ,,,Now you are going better..Let us discuss more..some other time..I am optimistic today…

            KS,,

  • Samuel

    Selam All,
    Here is Abiy’s Ethiopia by foreignpolicy.com, a proof what Ethiopia security and justice looks like under Abiy admin.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/20/political-violence-could-derail-ethiopia-democratic-transition-assassination/

    Thanks,

  • Nitricc

    Hi All; as expected today one dollar was exchanged with 84 Ethiopian birr. The government closed all the known exchange shops, however; the crooks started their business in cars and the business is on. While i was searching about Ethiopia’s economic and currency; i learned the name Birr come from the word in English Sliver. It turns out Sliver in English is Birr in Ethiopian language. The reason is back then Ethiopia’s currency was backed up by Sliver before it came as just useless print.

    • Hashela

      Hi Nitricc

      Thanks for exploriing the origin of the Ethiopia’s currency name.
      Birr (silver in Amahric) is close to Brur (ብሩር) in Tigrina. Not surprising since Amharic evolved from Tigrina and Tigre!

      • Nitricc

        Hi Hashela; where the hack have you been? How your cross country expedition? I hope all is good with you. I tried to locate the origin of “Kirshi”
        While the Ethiopians calling their currency Birr but the Eritreans calling the same currency, “Kirshi”; I couldn’t unveiled the reason. Hope some one could explain to us.

        • Hashela

          Hi Nitricc

          I am doing fine, back from a long mountain crest hike which was really great. Now healing my bruises and working on the piles that have been accumulating since weeks.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Hashela; i am glad you are well and back home in one piece. My think is rolling in snow and i am waiting for the good old snow. There is nothing when you rolldown the hill and the adrenal pumping. pure fun. And sometimes take a break and grace us with your comments.

        • Haile S.

          Selam Nitricc,
          Kurus, Qirsh, Ersh, Gersh, Grush and Grosi, are all names for currency denominations in and around the territories formerly part of the Ottoman Empire…. Source: Wikipedia

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile; thanks. This proves that Eritrea never been part of Ethiopia. Eritrea was using different currency way before Ethiopians set a foot in to Eritrea by force. Because it is very strange for the same currency to have two different names in one nation.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            There is no logic that say historically people with same history or same language or same “culture” or same geography or same administration has to remain in one country. There is no such things in the modern history of world.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,

            There are so many elements where one can find a proof to separate the Abyssinian northern region as well as to bring it together in history. It is like the bellows of an accordion. One can pull them apart to make certain noise, another compress them to make different noise, so to speak. One thing is sure: the Bahre Negasi region had a strong Turkish and Egyptian influence because its sea side was under the control of the Ottomans for centuries and because of their attempts to control it on occassions.

          • Selam Haile S.,

            That was a great analogy: the history of Abyssinia is similar to the bellows of an accordion that produce different sounds according to whether they are pushed together or pulled apart.

            Having in mind the ottoman turk and egyptian influences in the coastal regions, and the abyssinian cultural and traditional influence, because it seems that there is such a thing, religion and language, etc, where do you think that one should classify highland Eritrea? Or, what are the things that separate highland eritrea from highland ethiopia, so that one can say that both regions were completely different entities that never had any relations whatsoever, as some would like to say?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Horizon,

            The words “completely different entities” and “no relations whatsoever” are pronounced by those who are oblivious of history or most likely retaliatory answer and out of anger.
            To answer your question, because of lack of time, let me say it in one sentence: The Eritrean highland was a loosely attached part of Abyssinia that was not under a direct administrative, military or even religious control. Administrators of the region liked to be nominated by the king when situations permitted, but due to constant wars in the area, it is very difficult to say this was the daily practice or there was constant relationship. For the same reason, for centuries it was difficult to get priests who attended the schools and Monastries in Gonder and lake Tana, even from Tigray. The scarcity of priests was one of the reasons that allowed the Italian priest, Mgr Di Jacobis to spread Catholicism in Eritrea long before the advent of the Italians. We can spend days and weeks discussing on these and why, but for me in a nutshell it comes to that.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam haile s
            I think u have better understanding of the region history than most so called historians, i think u make a lot of sense. my point is, there is no way highland eritrea will have this different kind of psychological make up towards thier own Abyssinia just because of Italy colony if they were through and through part of Abyssinia.

          • Consolation

            TA,

            The connection of Eritreans with Abyssinia was very tenuous to begin with. They were always different from the rest of Abyssinia as they did not share, to a large extent, Abyssinia’s 700 years of turmoil and brigandage. There were occasional violent forays by Tigrayans into Eritrea which engendered among our ancestors a deep hatred, resentment and suspicion for whatever came from across the Mereb. When you add to to that the influence of the Turks who controlled the coastal ports for 500 years and the Italian modernization and unification of Eritrea, it was inevitable that that tenuous connection should break. The savagery of the Haile Sellasie and Mengistu regimes made it plain that the only solution is a total divorce.

            The Tigrayans were an integral part of Abyssinia, at times even its leaders, yet today most young Tigrayans want to separate from mama. And if they could do it cleanly, they would. The only thing holding them back is the uncertainty of what might follow their declaration of independence. Ethiopians, who have an overly unnatural belief in the past, should realize that in this day and age what happened 50 years ago may not matter leave alone what happened 500 years ago. Look at the Arab countries, all speaking the same language, having the same faith, and for centuries governed as one under the Ottoman Empire, now splintered in over a dozen nations.

          • Teodros Alem

            conso
            I really don’t know what u trying to say, the question was if eritrea was part of Abyssinia through and through how they have different psychological make up from the rest of Abyssinia.? To the extent of hating thier own Abyssinia.
            What u talking about is the usual lie and hate.

          • Consolation

            TA,

            I am telling you there was no Abyssinia to be part of. How difficult is that? There is a reality outside your brain or mind. And there is a model of reality in your brain. The two are totally different. Your problem is that you think the two are the same.

          • Teodros Alem

            conso
            Yea, there was no Abyssinia to be part of but as the same time u love eating “ingera” even if it is expired ingera, u love wearing habesha clothes even on holiday or no holiday, i just want to know why this confusion.
            In diaspora, eritreans r the one uses the word habesha more than anyone, it means they r same kind of habesha nationalist, and let me narrow it down eritreans express thier tigrai language and culture more than the people of tigrai, it means they r tigrai(agn) nationalist but i want to know the confusion u guys going through? Haile S gave me some hint,
            Why U guys the diet cook of habesha , not enough calorie?

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            What’s the “Abyssinian psychological make up” ? And how is it related to non Abyssinians in Ethiopia and Eritrea?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            Let me know first who r none-abyssinian and abyssinian?

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros ,
            You make a statement I ask for clarification. Your reply is a question to me. If I knew what’s in your mind I wouldn’t have asked. Forget is, I don’t do merry-go-around

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            What haile said about about Abyssinia history was in my mind and when u ask me a question, i just want to know which habesha u r talking about.
            When i grow up there is big perception that habesha is geez speakers, who believe 3000 history, who practice the habesha culture, light skin(not so dark) and so on.
            And now days things r changing , habesha is more popular in Muslims ethiopians.

          • Saleh Johar

            Tedros,
            I am Habesha. I was probably aware of that long before you did, possibly. Please stop your condescending attitude. And I am not interested in this topic

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Saleh Johar
            I think u miss understood me, i was talking about the perception,.
            ethiopia was officially referred as Abyssinia in Europe and habesha in Arabic and ethiopians before 1940s, before the 2nd invesion of Italy, even at league of nations ethiopia is called both names.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileS,
            The Roman Empire ruled all the countries around the Mediterranean Sea and beyond. Imagine Italy laying claim to Egypt or Greece because at one time Rome ruled it. The Italians don’t go around telling these people “we are one” or we will take your country over. But that mentality is alive in our region. Can you elaborate on that please

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh,

            I need books and beer to answer your question and consolation’s comment. See you later.

            Consolation: I am not the great Haile Bokre. I read Alvarez, but not the tigrigna translation of HB.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh and Consolation,

            Saleh, you brought a good example of the Roman empire. If ownership was based on dominance of a certain period, Italy itself wouldn’t have existed as we know it now based on more recent dominance of France and Spain on its northern & western territories. Now, coming south from the Middle Sea to our Red Sea and as close the 1830s, the Ottoman empire dominated it for 3 to 4 centuries. They could have claimed us too. Perhaps it is with this history that Turkey is trying to spray its influence around now. Moreover, as you mentioned, all these countries accepted their present condition and respect their neighbour’s’ boundaries. The issue with our southern brothers and neighbors is that they haven’t lost their instinct of dominance through force and war that has debilitated our region for centuries and prevented us (in a larger sense) from realizing a strong Ethiopica, Troglotydica, Nubica or Puntica in our region. As you alluded, acceptance of the present order based on the international agreements that prevails would have been the key to peace and the beginning in-peace for another configuration if that suites the people of the region. However, even those who claim to have accepted our condition have apparently longed for a similar fate that could allow them to attain what we have attained thus pulling us back in the mud that we had started to come out from.

            Our situation in Eritrea, a country found by Italy, but conceived through several accident of history, as you well know, has been complicated by the injustice it received early on following the defeat of Italy. Our own people (the Christians for the most part) complicated our own life by this thirst and instinct for a king and kinship disregarding the administrative unity they were placed into through colonialism and which should have guaranteed their exit from the mayhem of war of the past centuries.

            Consolation, yes you are right, we are in agreement with the relationships within Abyssinia, and it is great that you brought Alvarez’s book. We can also refer to Jerome Lobos’s travels and Henry Salt’s travels to Abyssinia too to have a glimpse of this relationship. Let me cite some passage from Alvarez’s book on the tension, the caution, the respect and relationship across Mereb that existed then. After passing through Barua (Dubarwa), Temeison (Tera-Emni, my own interpretation) they were travelling south passing through Tigray to go join Prester-John.

            Thus speaks Alvarez:

            “…. The following day we went through mountains, both rocky ridges and forests of trees without fruit, until we came to a very large river, which, as it was winter, we found very large for passing over : this is the river on which the town of Barua is situated, and it runs to the Nile (Mereb, also corrected by the English version editor), where the kingdom of the Barnagais (Baher Negash) ends, and that of Tigrimahom (Tigre-Mokonen) begins. From where we slept to this river will be two leagues, a little more or less, and, notwithstanding the mountains and woods, all peopled. On reaching the river, the men who came with us unloaded the baggage, and from the other side of the river we heard drums and a noise of people : we asked what it was, and they said that a captain of Tigrimahom had come for us. We passed over without our goods to the other side of the river with a good deal of difficulty, on account of the strong body of water : we found a fine body of people come to fetch us; they might be five or six hundred men to carry our goods. There was at once uncertainty between the people of either side of the river. Those of the country of Tigrimahom said that they had not got to take the baggage except in their country; and those of the Barnagais, that they had no obligation except to place it on the shore close to the water in their country ; and they engaged in great shouting and obstinacy upon this matter. As the water was running high, they concluded upon passing over the baggage together, in a brotherly way, so that it should not remain out of doors on one or the other bank, but that which was just should be done. As soon as the baggage had been got across, and taken up by the people of Tigrimahom, they travelled with the baggage as fast as we did with our mules.

          • Consolation

            Selam Haile S.

            Yes, Alvarez is fascinating, The 1881 English translation of the book is available online at the website archive . org . What you quoted here is very interesting in that it highlights that the Mereb was a clear line of delineation between Tigray and Midri Bahri. The Agazians should also note his description of the cultural differences between the two sides.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Consolation,

            Agazians don’t rely on reading. They do on myth and dream, two myths whose legend are completely separate. Their dream is on ethnic purity of an ethnic group that is mixed like no one in the region.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile

            A group

            – whose ancestral mother is a Tiger
            – whose fathers built an air bridge between Tigris River (Irak) and Tigrai

            – who vehemently denies any relationship with our Tigre

            is severely underestimated in its stupidity.

          • Consolation

            Ato Haile,

            Abyssinian itself was a very loose entity that stretched/contracted with the military power of the prevailing war-lord turned King of Kings. It is, I repeat, very natural for relations to exist between neighbouring peoples. Nobody denies that. It is when Ethiopianists try to use that for incorporating Eritrea into Ethiopia that the conflict arises. Do the same people who harp about Eritrea mention or care about what the relationship of the Western lowlands was with the peoples of the Sudan? No one is going to tell us what our history is and certainly not Ethiopians. Those days are gone forever.

            In any case, to get a glimpse of the very loose relationship that existed back then, one may refer to the book by Francesco Alvarez, who visited the region in the 16th century and chronicled his observations into a book “Expedition of Portuguese Embassy into Abyssinia.” The book has been translated into Tigrigna by Haile Bokre and is narrated in three YouTube audio/videos by Eden TeKle. I can’t give the links but I will give the titles so that you can find them by searching YouTube.

            Eritrea B’Zebene Bahre Negestat-by aba Franchesco Alvarez Trgum Hayle Bokre – PART 1
            ኤርትራ ብዛዕባ ባሕረ ነገስታት – ካልኣይ ክፋል
            ኤርትራ ብዛዕባ ባሕረ ነገስታትሳልሳይ ክፋል

            P.S..
            If Haile S. is Haile Bokre, then my apologies for recommending your own book to you. 🙂

          • Consolation

            Ato Haile,

            But isn’t that natural among neighbouring peoples when there are no clearly delineated borders. The relations between the English and the Scots, for example, before they merged in 1704, was much like a seesaw than bellows, with one kingdom ruling the other. The constant harping by Ethiopians about a very vague past is a refusal to accept the reality of today. Their attempt to own Eritrea against the wishes of its people lost them a great deal when they didn’t heed their own wisdom “የቆጡን ኣወርድ ብላ የብብትዋን ጣለች”

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I think Ethiopians have learned a great lesson that bringing Eritrea was a disastrous dream.
            “ያየሽ አያልፍሽም የቀመሰሽ አይደግምሽም” ሆኗል የኤርትራ ጉዳይ

          • Consolation

            Hello Abi,

            The Germans tried to conquer Europe twice with disastrous results. There are some who believe that the Germans have not changed their ambition but only changed their strategy. They are now using the EU to accomplish their dream. At the risk of inducing Amanuel and his friends to cry “ተሸጥና”, let me reveal my suspicion that that is what Abiy thinks he is doing.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Consolation,

            I agree on your assumptions on the German’s un wavering ambition. But let me reframe your last statement to reflect the reality:

            At the risk of provoking Consolation and his elks, Issayas has changed the strategy of his ambition to restore the throne of the Axumite elites.

            AHT

          • Consolation

            Selam AH,

            Axumite elites? Do you mean he is conspiring with the Tigrayans to restore the Axumite Kingdom? If that is the case, what is your problem. I thought you were hand and glove with TPLF. You should, in fact, be very happy if Esu has made such a u-turn. But seriously, you are becoming a joke with these ridiculous conspiracy theories. BTW, did you see Biden’s latest gaffe where he said that 200 million Americans have died of corona? There is, in all societies, an age when people retire from work. There also must be an age where they retire from serious business such as politics and enjoy their sunset years in relative calm.

          • hawkeye

            Selam Consolation.

            I’m sure you’ve heard all the unionist statements Issu has made since 2018? I guess it is just like you said – like Biden, it’s clear that it’s Issu’s time to retire. He is after all close to Biden in age and clearly getting more senile as time goes by.

          • Consolation

            haweye,

            I have no idea what you are talking about what Esu is supposed to have said in 2018. As for retiring, I strongly believe that once he accomplishes the last task, the burial of the Weyane thugs who have delayed the demarcation of the border, Esu will retire in glory after having delivered to us an intact Eritrea. I doubt if there is any Eritrean who wants Esu to retire before that, other than the Weyane stooges that is, who don’t want to see an Eritrea that has totally vanquished its enemies. They wanted to see a defeated Eritrea and their dream has evaporated.

          • hawkeye

            Consolation,

            First, there is no guarantee in life. At his age (and rumoured liver problems), he could die at any time, perhaps before realizing his dream of destroying Weyane.

            Second, the man is simply not a brilliant tactician. He and his supporters have been spewing game over rhetoric for 20 years to no success. He jailed his most gifted strategists.

            Third, IF Weyane is ever buried, it will not be due to the efforts of Isaias, but due to internal Ethiopian politics – perhaps Abiy will be the one to do the final blow, perhaps not. Whether Isaias is in power to see it or not will not make a difference – as it will not be him.

          • Consolation

            Hawkeye,

            He is not a tactician, a man who defeated all our enemies? What is the matter with your hawkish eyes?

            Yes, the Weyane are getting buried as we speak. In fact, I will risk my reputation and claim that this Ethiopian year, 2013, is their last year. Already, Abiy and Isaias, by quarantining them in Mekele, have accomplished half of the task. Abiy, by cleverly changing the currency, has taken the last stick from the thugs, the availability of unlimited cash to buy hirelings to destabilize the region. The Tigrayan people will finish the job by dragging the Adwa mafia and stringing them from the longest trees. If your hawkish eyes can’t see that the TPLF is now a paralyzed clique, then there is nothing more I can say.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Consolation,

            “Self-appraisals“ and “self-gradings” (like Trump) is a laughing stock for the historians in particular and for our young generations in general. We are better than that.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Consol,
            There is no one Pro Ethiopia than your own Esu.
            I am sure you are fully aware of that but I ma just saying we are also aware of that.
            He told everyone in front of the Ethiopian TV. He was clear and he was delighted to tell us.
            So, now, tell us if he was wrong or you disagree with him. Say it once and you will be finished.

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I think people should stop commenting from assisted living facilities. If someone has been a politician since the sixties with nothing to show for, that person should be gracefully retired from politics and focus on the weekly bingo. Comments written after the nightly aricept are confusing and meaningless.
            These people should Leave the spotlight for the youth.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            So, you will be in hat position in about 8 months?

          • Abi

            MM
            The way I’m dealing with you, may be in about 5 months.
            You are killing me!

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I seriously doubt that.
            Abiy is trying to bring peace between the two countries unlike Amanuel Hidnrat and his handlers.

          • Consolation

            Hello Abi,

            At the same risk again, let me assure you that over the long haul, the economic integration of the Horn Africa, which may or may not be followed by other forms of integration, may be inevitable. I am not faulting Abiy if he thinks he can sweet talk us into it. But first things must come first. First let’s establish the peace by demarcating the border. Then we will worry about what follows!

          • Abi

            Consolation
            I really don’t like this integration talk now or later.
            Demarcate the border with the tallest wall and forget about each other is the best and peaceful solution.

          • Consolation

            Abi,

            That works fine with me. Everything henceforth should be done with the full consent of both sides.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            You see, that’s what is confusing on those HGDF people.
            I agree with you on the tallest wall ever to be erected. We should have nothing to do with each other. What we had was misery, over so many years.
            You go thru other ports and leave us alone.
            You know who will suffer from that the most? The hgdf people. Really.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            You think you are that smart and keep mentioning Hidnrat?
            I have been waiting to fix it for quite a while but you keep bringing it.
            Speaking of Hidnrat, there are few of Awate members that claim they are opponents of the ChegaE isayas but they are not. Those are the Hidnrats.
            BTW, Prof. Emma is ignoring you but you don’t seem to sense it. It is about time to change your Detectors.
            ተቀበል ዋርድያ!

          • Abi

            MM
            The honorary title “Hidnrat” comes from his hidden activities during his time in Addis.
            I care less if he ignores me or not.
            He is still a hidnrat planted by the Tplf thugs.
            Talk about lived experience!

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            It is always good to be sure before making outrageous statements …

            Yes, currency can have different names in a single country. Even its formal name could be different. In Western Eritrea, the Ethiopian currency was called Riyal, no one called it Birr. Riyal was its common used name. The notes carried descriptions: “Ten Ethiopian Birr” in Amharaic and “Ten Ethiopian Dollars” in English.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SG; okay that the first one for me. Okay i get it but did any one in Eritrea, i mean in all corners, called the Ethiopian currency “Birr”?

          • Consolation

            Nitricc,

            Amharic was introduced in Eritrea after the annexation. Before very few knew that there was such a language. My father and mother certainly didn’t.:)

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            No. It was Qrshi or Riyal, rarely birr

          • Consolation

            Selam Saleh,

            Riyal is a generic name and is used in many countries

            Iranian rial, the currency of Iran
            Omani rial, the currency of Oman
            Yemeni rial, the currency of Yemen
            Moroccan rial, a former currency of Morocco
            Tunisian rial, a former currency of Tunisia
            The Hejaz riyal
            The Qatari riyal
            The Saudi riyal

          • Saleh Johar

            Consolation,
            It’s not generic but common. Dollar was used by many countries. It’s originally from the Austrian Thaler (Maria Theresa) many middle eastern countries use Riyal or Dinar and that is a historical currency. Royal is also used in some Latin countries due to the Moorish influence

          • Consolation

            Hi Saleh,

            Google thesaurus lists common as similar to generic. All these currencies probably have the same ancestor.

      • Kokhob Selam

        Dear Hashela,

        Welcome my dear..

        KS,,,

        • Hashela

          Kokhob, thank your for your kind welcome back.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hashela,
        Welcome back. I will invite you to zeban or sewayra mountain climb once that’s possible.

        I Think the birr was adopted from the Maria Theresa Silver Thaler (dollar)

        • Hashela

          Thanks for the welcome and congratulation for the well deserved recognition. It would be my greatest pleasure to hike with you zeban.

          • Haile S.

            ሰላም ሓሸላ፡

            እንታይ እዩ ከም ጓል ኣይንህበካን ዝተባህለ ጎምበለ ጎቦ ጎቦ ዘብለካ ዘሎ? Welcome!

          • Hashela

            ሰላም ሃይለ

            እወ፣ ገሊኦም ካብ ጓይላ ናብ ጓይላ ዙንዙን እብሉ፣ ገሊኦም ክኣ ጎቦጎቦ እብሉ!
            እትም ጎርሓት ክኣ ኣብ ርባ እጽበይውን!

          • Nitricc

            hey Hashela; you and Haile need to stop talking in cods. what that mean to say…

            ዙንዙን

            ጎርሓት

            ድብኦ ዓቲሮም

            Haile what is

            ጎምበለ

            I have hard times following Haile and Abrehat’s Tigrigna and here you are giving me hard times. I won’t allow it. lol

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,

            ጎምበለ mean ጎበዝ, someone like you who feels invincible who doesn’t give a hack 🙂
            I will leave the rest to Hashela.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Haile; I do appreciate it. It is official i have a long way to go.

          • Hashela

            Selam Nitrite

            Sorry, I was busy and saw your questions a bit late.

            ዙንዙን: aimlessly wandering or going around from door to doors
            ጎርሓት: street smart people

            ድብኦ: smell- and taste-less weeds used to loosely seal the narrow opening of water container made of clay (ዕትሮ) to prevent water from spillIng over while carrying it home. When young women or girls fetch water from a spring or river using ዕትሮ, they use ድብኦ to cover or seal the narrow opening of the container. It has two purposes. First, it prevents the loss of precious water. Second, when wet, ሽፎን (a female dress made of nylon) trend to stick to and highlight the body shape, inviting unwanted curious look from the boys

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            Minor correction on one vocabulary.

            Street or no street “ጎራሕ”= smart

            The rest you did a good job.

            Regards

          • Hashela

            Selam Amanuel

            I think we both are correct. But context matters. If you check farther above, you will realize the context in which I used ጎራሕ.
            Your interpretation or usage of ጎራሕ comes close to ተንኮለኛ which I find it is too harsh.

            BTW, it is strange that you praise (“good job”) me for using my language properly!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hashela,

            I praised you because there are people who don’t use their language properly. There is nothing strange to it.

          • Nitricc

            Hey Hashela; thanks my man, i do appreciate it. Tigrigna is hard. wow

  • Kokhob Selam
  • Kokhob Selam

    Dear all,

    He (Pro. Aman) his comment by saying “If the Assenna News is true:” see now..He didn’t confirm the news is true,,today all the bellow comments is not valuable..now what is going on? Why you guys are pretending you are perfect and we are not..Please keep your dignity… this is the way to debate and we will see it with Assenna and confirm it..if there is such news or not…Let it be searching the truth is a common subject if you are interested..

    Truth shall set us free..

    KS,,

    • Fanti Ghana

      Selamat Kbur Kokhobay,

      You are right, Mr. Amanuel Hidrat is quoting Meskerem’s confusing title and a simple correction would have sufficed.

      • Abi

        Fantastic
        “የጅብ ችኩል ቀንድ ይነክሳል”
        በል አንተም ትግርኛውን በትግርኛ ተርጉመህ በሚገባቸው ቋንቋ አቅርብላቸው::
        ወዳጅ ለመቼ ነው?

    • Abi

      Kokobe
      ምን እያልክ ነው አያ!
      አንተው አይደለህ እንዴ ዜናውን ተሰባብረህ አምጥተህ የመንደር ቡና መጠጫ ያደረግኸው? አንተ አይደለህም እንዴ ጀበና ገፅ ላይ ወስደህ እረከቦቱ ላይ ያስቀመጥከው?
      ሰውየውም ተቻኩለው ወሬውን ከቡናው ጋር ፉት ሲሉ ተቃጥለው አረፉት!

      ቡና እንጂ ወሬ በትኩሱ ደግም አይደል! ምንድን ነው ለወሬ መጣደፍ?

      “ኧረ ቀስ ኧረ ቀስ እየተስተዋለ ” ብሏል ዘፋኝ

      • Kokhob Selam

        Yes Abi,

        Thank you..Samuel got it..and the English version of the same..

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgpAkvnBhzs&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=TigraiMassMediaAgency

        Thank you Samuel..

        KS,,

        • Nitricc

          Hi KS; you forgot to tell us that this Tigray Tv. i mean do you guys get paid or something? what is it?

          #ቴሌቪዥን_ትግራይ፡A CALL FOR PEACE AND NATIONAL SALVATION from The Coalition of Ethiopia Federalist Unity

        • Selam K.S.,

          As the “Star of Peace”, that is how i interpret your name, and as much as i know you, and in my personal opinion, you hold a neutral non-partisan place standing equal distance from both sides of the ethiopian politics.
          Of course, it is your right to position yourself however and wherever you like. Nevertheless, we still believe that you hold the torch of ethio-eritrean friendship, because you know and you love both countries. That is what i personally believe.
          Therefore, don’t allow others to pull you into their dirty politics. Continue as the ambassador of eritrea to ethiopia and that of ethiopia to eritrea. Give us your usual beautiful poems in tigrigna and amharic. Stand for peace and love as usual, and don’t follow our way, because we will take you nowhere.
          From a friend.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Horizon,

            Thank you friend Horizon,

            I think what you are saying is very perfect..Life becomes easy if you learn how to move on from such awful incidents of life and start to heal your pain. To rebuilt yourself, you need to stop regretting your past and need to work on your present. To build your future beautifully the most important thing is to remember the lessons that past gave you and start working in the present. If you know how to work on yourself and know how to heal your distress you will really feel calm and peaceful. And if you find difficulty in moving on from such events then you can start keeping yourself busy and in free time you can meditate and rebuilt yourself. No incident, not any person should be that important in your life that could change your identity and obstruct you from being happy. You should understand your worth and should learn to forgive others. One most important thing in letting go of the things is to just forget what has happened and think about your height future. Sometimes due to certain events, you lose all your hope from life but you don’t know the importance of your life that is the best and precious gift of life which you need to retain at any cost. Don’t feel bad about yourself or about your situation in spite you should think positively that God gave you such a beautiful life. Yes brother Horizon, we should start to think within and within only not to blame others, above all we should see beyond Horizon while all above watching those politicians from high place..Please read Jebena page at next week end and you will see,,,,

            KS

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Kokhob Selam,

      Amanuel Hidrat does make mistakes by catching the tail end of something and going with it, with almost an invisible caveat. A.H told us that he is in a battle and everything that undermines PIA is fair game. He dislikes PMAA in so far as he is working with PIA. I don’t believe that is rational. I see that with his debates and disagreements with other Eritreans. Some of these people were in the trenches with him, so to speak.

      In the “good old days” if you can call that, in the 70s and early 80s, I had Eritrean acquaintances. In all that time and before, I never saw 2 Eritreans disagree on the topic of Eritrean aspirations. They appeared one. It was liberation this liberation that. It was the same identical talking points, …objective reality, inevitable historical facts, scientific and you know the rest.
      It was as if they read the same newspaper and listened to the same radio station. I debated with them but felt there was no difference between one and the other.
      What I saw in those days was…..one people one heart. Now after 30 years of independence what I see is division and more division. You see organization forming only to break up to a smaller and smaller groups until everyone individually stands alone. Sometimes, I can’t believe I am dealing with the same people. How could such a complete change of 180 degrees in everything takes place, no matter what the objective realty was and is.

      Mr. K.H

      • Selam Kim Hanna,

        If we accept the ‘hadi hizbi hadi libi” mantra, which is impossible for normal and thinking human beings, then we can say that there was one person who was thinking and acting on behalf of everybody else. This cannot be the case, and it was not. In my opinion, it was a ploy to control the people by the leaders of eplf (with or without force). You can’t talk of ‘hadi hizbi hadi libi” when you implement “giffa”, for example.
        Therefore, what we see today is the result of that mantra, that of giving a free ride to the leaders of eplf. Yes, eritreans could agree on independence, but they couldn’t agree unanimously on the type of government and who should be at the head of government, unless there was fear to talk one’s mind, then and now.
        Even on this forum, some eritreans were late in opposing the regime openly.
        This was what we observed when we came to the forum for the first years ago. The thing that is happening today is a dispersed and belated response to that patriarchal mistake of submission to communist authorities who preyed on herd mentality.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam K.H.,

        As I understand, you have been a seasoned observer of the Eritrea and its present and past affairs, as some of us also do in respect to the Ethiopian affairs. Since we are close neighbors whose future material interests are mutually intertwined, it is even instinctively incumbent of us all to do so. So, the worries and concerns are there generally especially for the aware.

        The point you have raised, rightly, with a grain of dismay about the rampant disparity of attitudes and views among Eritreans during pre and post independence era is true, which most of the ordinary Eritrean are not proud of. But, as you might agree with me, the reason for polarized views among citizens of nations do have roots, and I would argue that they are reactions rather than being causes, as our brother, Horizon, has succinctly noted in the case of Eritrea. To put it briefly, the root cause is existance of bad government of whatever color, ideology or formation. As you have mentioned, Eritreans had with progress of time closed ranks during the era of the struggle for indendepence though, as you know, it didn’t mean we had no differences that more than often went out of control and costed us dearly in lives and injuries. That time, too, the culprit was bad leadership. It was that bad leadership whichhad mismanaged the internal discords, which were supposed to be managed peacefully as secondary contradictions, that led us to the independence era, and took tight grib of our lives and the destiny of our newly re-born nation. We were not only robbed of our national will and endowed natural rights we thought we had already paid its price in blood and sweat by a regime of corporate interest, but by a whimsical and power-greedy despot.

        Hence, once we, as people, lost our will of united will against the dictator, then it meant that the people became exposed systematic regime engineered divisions and disorientation. Loss of focus had, thus, embarked them on dispersed approaches of trying to face the bad government – just by way of a kind of each according to inclination, to borrow the famed Marxist dictum. That meant views and efforts had to be polarized to express themselves in the way you have noted in your comment. It was also the same at intial and formative times of our political and armed struggle, which had actually worsened before converging to take form as spontaneous concensus on the national project: independence and liberation of man. This time, too, there is no discord on the independence and sovereignty of the nation. The differences concern attitudes and approaches of dealing with the dictatorship and the despot at its helm. As happened during the national struggle era, the convergence of views are shaping up though slowly. What you and I are witnessing here and there is the effects bad times under bad leadership have engendered.

        Let us, be optimists and make ourselves believe that it for oppressed peoples it cannot become better before worse times and actors in it are challenged.

      • Consolation

        KH,

        It is always perilous to base your arguments and reasoning on observations of a small sample. You spoke about Eritreans that you knew and conversed with in the 70s and 80s and “went with it”, to use your won words, “with almost an invisible caveat.” Had you met Amanuel Hidrat at that time, you wouldn’t have reached the same conclusions. There is ebb and flow in the affairs of nations. The unity of Eritreans, in my observation reached its peak at the referendum and the 1998-2000 war. At all those years, I assure you, Amanuel and his friends held the same view they hold today.

        Eritrea has been under intense attack for 20 years by powerful forces who understood that the only way to defeat Eritrea is to weaken the unity of its people. I can argue that no people could have withstood that intense pressure and emerged, as we have done, with our sovereignty intact. We are now recovering and you will see that as we kill and bury the Weyane thugs and their hirelings, the ebb will be upwards, and Eritrea will rise and fulfill those aspirations which have been targeted so far. What our enemies wanted to kill was the idea of our self reliance. It is a philosophy that is anathema to the global forces who seek to dominate the rest of the world. What they prefer is servile tools like the TPLF.

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Awitistats,

    If the Assenna News is true: The dictatorship of Abiy and the conspiracy of Issayas are challenged and exposed by the Ethiopian Federal Army and have suggested 10 points how to approach the crises of Abiy’s government. They call for the withdrawal of Eritrean security forces from Ethiopia. Anyone who can confirm the broadcast of Assenna TV is greatly appreciated.

    The Title: ” ምሕዝነት ፈደራላዊ ሓይልታት ኢትዮጵያ ኣብ ዘውጽኦ መግለጺ፡ ኣቢይ ኣብ`ታ ሃገር ንዝርከቡ ሓይልታት ጸጥታ ውልቀመላኺ ኢሳይያስ ከውጽኦም ኣተሓሳሲቡ”

    If the recommendation of EDF is going to be implemented, the days to depose ABiy Ahmed from power and the release of the Ethiopian political prisoners is inevitable. One hopes the Eritrean defense force to learn from them, and take similar swift action against our despot.

    • Teodros Alem

      aman h
      Didn’t i told u to stop listening gossip ? i didn’t read u after the 1st line , what makes u think there r eritrea troops in ethiopia in the first place? Gossip?

    • Consolation

      Ato Amanuel,

      You mean you don’t visit meskerem.net? I am shocked. This news has been there for two days now. The only difference is that you misunderstood “ምሕዝነት ፈደራላዊ ሓይልታት ኢትዮጵያ” to be the Ethiopian Federal Army. The former is the hodge-podge of Weyane financed parties that a few months back met in Mekele. This is an example of ነዳይ ናይ ልቡ ይሓልም:: But I don’t blame you, the other day, Kamala Harris is reported to have said “Kamala-Biden” campaign.

    • Kokhob Selam

      Yes pro, Amuni,

      I have attached the same in Jebena page,,and Abi ask me to translate it which I failed to search the translation for the same..I am sure there will be the same in Amharic but..I didn’t find..Can you search for us? I am inteseted to find to provide it to Abi and others…

      KS,,

      • Abi

        Kokobe
        ኮኮቤ ለጥረትህ አመሰግናለሁ::
        እኔ እኮ ደህና ነገር መስሎኝ ነው መጏጏቴ:: ለመንደር ለጀበና ወሬማ ጏደኛህ አለልህ::
        በል ኮኮቤ ለጊዜው መንገድ ላይ ተላልፈናል::

    • Sultan

      Prof Aman:
      I don’t think it is “ The Ethiopian Federal Army” but the “Ethiopian Federalist Forces”, the same puppets and mercenaries of the same TPLF.
      Source:
      Meskerem.Net (See the “ Recommendations”).
      FYI:
      Good or bad, the Ethiopian and Eritrean Govts have a Strategic Alliance and Agreements on Security and Intelligence”!

      Here is the irony or hypocrisy:
      You were , not only silent but also in support of :
      -The Ethio-Sudan-Yemeni Evil Axis .
      -The Ethio-Sudanese dangerously destabilizing Security, Intelligence and Defense/Military Alliance and Agreements against Eritrea!
      Note:
      During the 2000 war when Al Beshir allowed the TPLF to sneak into our defense lines through Sudanese Territory at Tessenei Front leading to one of the worst casualties in our armed struggle.

      Same Al Beshir allowed the TPLF to have an Airbase in Kessela few km away from Sawa.

      If so, then why can’t PIA, Eritrea for that matter,develop a minimum Security and Intelligence including Military/ Defense Agreement to crash same evil TPLF, which did its best to crash Eritra and Eritreans through the help of its Western Masters , Alliances ,mercenaries and puppets?

      Credit goes to the PFDJ GOVT/the GoE led by the same despot for successfully crashing those evil axis and Alliance and coming out the WINNER by burying 10 ft all the above Evil Axis and Alliances!

      • Consolation

        Sultan,

        How many time do I have to say it that the dream of people like Amanuel is to destroy Eritrea. Any alliance that promises them this outcome is OK. So please, don’t try to argue logically with these people as if they care a damn about Eritrea. I repeat, they are nihilists who have no loyalty, none at all, to the sovereignty of Eritrea.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Consolation
          Switch the name Amanuel with Isayas and it will make perfect sense, in a real world that is.

      • Nitricc

        King Sultan; what do you think for him in it? I refuse to believe a free air ticket to go that far, then what is it? to oppose the Eritrean government is normal and expected but to go that far with thugs, i don’t know my man, may be you can help me on this one.

        • Sultan

          General and Conso:

          I could have responded to you and join you in challenging Prof Amanuel Hidrat but after I saw the video clip in the celebration of the 20th anniversary awate.com, I recalled what I said before about him ;and rather decided to respect him as a Senior and elderly Veteran as well as an Intellectual, who just lost his half, besides respecting his opinions, regardless…while still remaining reserved for what he is saying publicly, which I am at loss as to why he does so.

          He looks in his late 70s…., man!
          GBU, Prof Aman.

          • Aligaz G

            Sultan,

            I agree with you that it’s not cool to hang up on people eventhough AH has been taking unnecessarily aggressive postures. Perhaps using his real name forces him to take rigid positions.

    • Abi

      Selam Ato Amanuel
      You sound a whole lot smarter when you keep quiet.

      • Nitricc

        Hi Abiy; in the great wise words of Hashela; don’t undermined the effect and the power of the Stockholm syndrome. besides i yet to see, a smart digital. Never!

        Stockholm syndrome, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands

        • Consolation

          Hell Nitro,

          What is odd is that he translated “ምሕዝነት ፈደራላዊ ሓይልታት ኢትዮጵያ” to Ethiopian Federal Army and then went on a wet-dreaming spree drooling about Abiy being deposed and the Eritrean generals following suit. But who knows, may be he was using Google translator, eh!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Conso; What i don’t get is that he told us that he is an Eritrean but drives him against his people and country. I bet you the thugs not only paid for his free tickets but they promised him a leadership position if he helps by being a digital I get it there are many Eritreans who are sympathetic with thugs but at least they stay silence, but this dude, he is at it. He doesn’t even understand his thugs are in death bed.

            https://www.facebook.com/EriXpress/videos/988459348248542/?t=6

          • Abi

            Consolation
            Stop it! I’m weak.
            Send somebody to pick me up from the floor. በሣቅ ሙትኩልህ::
            Hopefully he will come up with more Google jokes.

          • Sultan

            Abbu:
            Ghedelkegn… motkulih!
            I bursted out in laugh to the extent of making the Nursing Station Staff scared while reading your response to Conso.
            I bet you could have been and still can be,a millionaire if you open your own TV talk and comedy TV show with 60 million viewers !
            What a talent!
            Way better potential than Tamagn Beyene I knew during the good days.

          • Abi

            King Sultan
            በነጋሪት ቀርቶ ነገረኛው ይተካ?

        • Abi

          General
          I think he took the “ debriefing “ sessions he had with his captors a little bit too seriously.

      • Selam Abi,

        The guy is echoing what his employers are saying. Tplf is dreaming day and night that the ethiopian armed forces will revot against Abiy, and he as a dedicated employee is deciminating fake news for the sake of his masters. He has lost credibility and self-respect. He should have been the last person to bring such fake news. At his age any self respecting person would not consume his time on serving others.

        What does it show? All the bravado that the tplf army is the strongest in the horn of africa and even in the whole continent, was empty words and tplf and its stooges are looking for a savior in the ethiopian armed forces. Hope is the only thing that has remained for him and his tplf.
        He doesn’t understand that tplf lost all credibility and respect when it turned against the ethiopian nation and people. He doesn’t understand that tplf is a cast out as much as Ethiopians are concerned, and nobody will raise a finger to save it. Tplf has value only for oromo ultranationalists who suffer from the Stockholm syndrome.

        • Abi

          Horizon
          The guy is logging using picture ID.
          Someone is checking/supervising his activities for content and timelines.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon and Abi,

            I don’t know if I can convince you to change but I will try anyway. Can you stop with “paid by TPLF” labeling A.H. and others if you don’t agree with them.

            I know AH, even though I have not met him in person and I had spoken with on the phone. He has successful professional and he makes his decent living without being employed by anyone and losing his integrity. I can assure he is not doing writing because he is paid by “TPLF”.

            Disagree all you (I do it a lot) want but please stop the allegation that he does or write what he says because he was employed by TPLF.

            He was opposing IA /PFDJ when TPLF and EPLF were in honeymoon? Who was employing him then?

            I am asking you because you care (specially Abi, where you kept asking and reminding me to check) on him. I know you are disappointed on what he said in specific comment, but please let’s try our best.

            Bethe

          • Selam Berhe Y.,

            When an eritrean spends ¾ of his time defending and promoting tplf and at the same time attacking, demeaning and demonizing the ethiopian pm, and calling him all the names imaginable, and spends only ¼ of his time fighting dictator IA, as he does, why do you see only our reaction and not his actions?
            A person’s behavior, his political ideology and partisanship, has nothing to do with his profession especially when he has a history of working with groups and parties all his life. The person has a plan and ideology he serves. The odd thing is that he is fighting with zeal and commitment in somebody else’s war. Even tigrayans are not as fanatic as he is.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Horizon,

            It’s perfectly fine to defend the PM, your country from anyone as you see it fit. And it’s perfectly fine to challenge him as you like.

            The prime minster is a public figure and I think his actions will be challenged no matter what by whom. It comes with the job. Do we have to over interest in the affairs of internal Ethiopian matter as we do (including I) perhaps not.

            We say in Tigriana, ab resi libKa, (meaning: I am adding on the wisdom that you already have and you are capable with), all I am saying is, please do not make an assumption and end up to a wrong accusation, what he does and write is because he is paid by TPLF.

            Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. You completely confound me. You wish to defend AH, repeatedly pay homage to the likes of Paulos, send congratulatory messages ‘Victory Laps’ for TPLF rigged elections but yet at times I have seen you be ‘slightly’ critical of the TPLF. Thing is, I never see you defend those that get repeatedly accused of being in the PFDJ camp with no basis other than that they criticize the TPLF.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Dongolo,

            You say ‘slightly’ criticizing TPLF. I criticise them when I feel, it’s related to Eritrean interests, other than that, to be honest I really do not have much more than that.

            You can criticize TPLF to your heart content, personally I have no problem. If someone defends them, likes them and praises them, it’s really not my business.

            At the same time, you can also love and praise the PFDJ and IA to your heart content, really.

            I can’t say never, but I never criticize anyone who support PFDJ, because they are on the pay roll of IA and PFDJ.

            But I am against people who support IA and PFDJ. The reason for that is, because they are part and parcel of the system that’s hell on bend to destroy Eritrea.

            Now let me ask you. Do you support the PFDJ and IA for the way he is handling internal Eritrean matters?

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            You criticize Tplf when it concerns Eritreans issues. Fair enough.
            Why do You support them when it comes to Ethiopian issues. You are the first one to congratulate the illegal election.
            There is a huge difference between a justice seeker and attention seeker. Keep auditioning. At this rate, it won’t be long before you post your comments with picture ID.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            It’s fair if you ask me why “when it comes to Ethiopian issues”, may be I shouldn’t. I congratulate the people of Tigray for successful election. It’s only a good wish. You say it’s illegal. sure what ever you say.

            But please stop with your condescending comments…. “attention seeker. Keep auditioning. At this rate, it won’t be long before you post your comments with picture ID.”.

            We are all grown ups. Keep your childish comments to your self.

            Berhe

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            They are grown ups with undeveloped mind and uncultured behaviors. Try to “severely ignore” them.

          • Nitricc

            I congratulate the people of Tigray for successful election.

            Hi Berhe; was it? when you give your blessing to the wrong, fake and BS election; you better not give us lecture on democracy and all that BS. I just wanted to know how your brain works? there was a rigged election that was won by 98.2% and you are congratulating them? I think you are corrupted to the core. Have some character and integrity. when you are happy with 98.2% election victory, you have neither character nor integrity.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            Do you realize people comment and express their views like you do? Or they must follow your views like a divine edict? Say your part and allow similar freedom to others. Lambasting anyone who doesn’t follow your logic or believe your claims and allegations, is a wrong approach.

          • Nitricc

            Hey SG; are you saying wining an democratic election with 98.2% is logic? All i am saying a person with integrity and character, no one will accept that. even their main dog, Alula Solomon was outraged. just you know.

          • Saleh Johar

            No Nitricc, I am not stating my views at all; I know better that to engage in a futile argument.
            I am simply saying don’t insult people and do not abuse them because they have a different view. Just remember your viewpoint is not the yardstick. That is what I said.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            I congratulated the people of Tigray for conducting successful election. I didn’t know the results, who won, by what margin. I do the same for other countries in the region, Somali Land, Djibouti, Sudan, Somalia etc.

            You on the other hand, support the regime of IA for not conducting “fake election”. You have a bragging right and claim “why have a fake election” that you have to rig anyway. You believe that, there will never be a person/ leader who believes in fair election? The problem is you are who have the corrupted mind. For you, money is every thing and you will do anything for money. That’s why you think, TPLF or anyone else can buy off everyone. You are giving them too much credit than they deserve. If that was the case, instead of buying people off in the internet, they would have bought the people in the government and in power.

            Let me give you an example, Somali land had it’s first elections in the early nighties. The results were some where lopsided but they continue to have election, on regular basis. Now their election results is some what similar like most western countries. What you need to know is, it’s a process and with time and with experiences it will get better.

            So my congratulation was in that regard.

            Let me also remind you that, Eritrean had not ONLY one but TWO successful elections in the 50s. If that process had continued until now (70 years later) we would have mastered the process (just like we have done with our Eritrean cyclists, or Ethopian Runners, or Brazilian foot ballers), for continuous uninterrupted improvements that every generation would make it better.

            It’s a natural process of human development…and I can grantee you, that the next Tigray election will be better than this one.

            You are in this bizarre world of the guilty must prove himself innocent. Sorry it doesn’t work that way, it’s the opposite. You are accusing A.H. is getting paid by TPLF, the onus is on you to prove it.

            Before I finish let me share a couple of videos that I promised last time:

            Here is Mahmud Saleh Personal Fb page to see his videos.

            https://www.facebook.com/mahmud.hamed.148

            Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. You have congratulated the TPLF on their recent elections. Did you also congratulate them back in 2005?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Dongolo,

            I don’t understand why it hurts you guys so much. Seriously.

            1) First I congratulated the Tigray people, which includes TPLF.
            2) I don’t remember what I said then. If I recall the participation was overall good.
            3) the conduct of the election was free and fair for must part.
            4) the aftermath was the beginning of the long crisis Ethiopia finds itself today.
            5) EPRDF/Melles took extreme case to handle the situation.
            5) CUD, with all the problems, should have accepted the results and help began true democratic process.

            It was a lost opportunity for Ethiopians who couldn’t overcome the crisis in peaceful manner.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            It is everyone’s Right to be Stupid. Unfortunately, you are abusing this privilege.
            Why don’t you keep quiet and look sharp and knowledgeable. You are on a downward spiral just like the Tplf you congratulate to no end.
            I hate to see you dying in your efforts to revive the dying Tplf.
            CPR has limits.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I think you should stop your harassment, really. I don’t appreciate it. Why don’t you get lost.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; you can congrats them to the moon. The point we have is that you are in here talking about democracy, rule of law and that crab but when a shady and thugs went to win 98.2%; you the oddity congratulate them. It is not the point you did that but it revealed your hypocrisy and corrupted to the core. Right is right and wrong is wrong. So, please stop preaching us about democracy and rule of law BS. you have no moral ground and you have lost your credibility the day you congratulate the thugs with 98.2% election victory. No person with democratic principal will accept that. That is the point.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            You are becoming pathetic and you are being a liar. I have to say it, because you keep repeating the same lie, even though I try to correct you for 10 times.

            when a shady and thugs went to win 98.2%; you the oddity congratulate them.

            Show me where I did that. Go to my archives, all is there.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; no need to dig-up for it. I was taken by your hypocrisy, i saved it the whole post. but to answer your question this will enough for now. I accuse people with out the evidence on my hand.

            Berhe Y Samuel 12 days ago
            Hi Samuel,

            Congratulation to the people of Tigray and their politicians for making this happen. Abiy and other leaders will not have an excuse to delay the election,

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Nitricc,

            Good. You did some work.

            Now tell me, how is what I said:

            Congratulation to the people of Tigray and their politicians for making this happen. Abiy and other leaders will not have an excuse to delay the election

            You are accusing me of saying:

            when a shady and thugs went to win 98.2%; you the oddity congratulate

            Can you please use your brain? How these two are related?

            Berhe

          • Dongolo

            Selam Berhe Y. The answer to your question in NO. Have you seen me ever express such support?

          • Nitricc

            Now let me ask you. Do you support the PFDJ and IA for the way he is handling internal Eritrean matters?

            Hi Berhe; I DO! you can hate me all you want. What you Africans failed to understand is that democracy in Africa will never matteriazed till social justice is archived. And to mu observation; the only country that trying to solve that is the Eritrean government and PIA. In case you don’t know social justice of a poor country is measured by the gup between the rich and the poor. Take a look at the Eritrean wealth distribution and see the gap; very small to none, that is the greatest leap to true democracy and stability but you won’t get that. your African mentality won’t let you so. Again stop talking like a white man talks about Africa.

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            As you know I was worried about his well-being when he was AWOL. I welcomed him with a bouquet of flowers accompanied with የመልካም ምኞት መግለጫ ደብዳቤ.

            The disagreements reignited the moment he got his strength back and started walking and talking again.

            First, he showed us his arrogance and ignorance with pride when he compared himself with Jesus Christ.
            ከማይረባ ሰው ጋር ከመነጋገር በኮሮና መሞት እመርጣለሁ ብለው ነው የደነፉት ባለቤታቸው በበሽታው በሚሰቃዩበት ወቅት::
            ( ነፍሳቸውን በገነት ያኑርልን)

            Then he continued belittling Ethiopians as instructed by his handlers. I don’t want to write volumes describing his wishes and prayers to see Ethiopia disintegrated just because his handlers are not at the helm.

            The only genius part of the Tplf thugs is recruiting a well to do people like Amanuel Hidnrat so that uninitiated people like you keep defending them.
            Professionals without integrity like this character are the best servants who hide themselves under their professions.
            He is a textbook example of a highly educated lowlife servant of the Tplf thugs.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I am doing the homework you gave me. I have subscribed to DAZN and watching the EPL games today.

            I know you are upset about what he said, but I know where you heart was.

            I hope you try.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Hawna Berhe
            You really know know where my heart is? Please tell me.
            ልቤ ከጠፋ ስንት ዘመን ሆነው መሰለህ?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi, Berhe, Horizon and all

            Leaving personality talk aside, the 3rd call from this “political coalition” looks like the perfect spy who was planted to do the perfect job. The spy has no connections with all other posts of the call.

            The planted spy goes like this: … “3. Demand all foreign security forces, especially the security forces deployed by President Isayas Afeworki’s regime of Eritrea, to immediately leave the country.”

            It is a spy with a cover.

            The spy is “security forces deployed by President Isayas Afeworki’s regime of Eritrea”

            The cover is “Demand all foreign security forces”

            If there are no other foreign security forces other than those possibly implanted during TPLF rule, then the cover is blown. It has no truth to it.

            This sentence is a Getachew Asseffa quality of diversion of all Ethiopian ills on Eritrea with the objective to create a petmanent enemity between Eritrea and Ethiopia to clear the power for the minority rule of before 2018.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Just to ask one question before I comment on your comment. Are you denying the presence of Eritrean security forces inside Ethiopia either to protect Abiy’s regime or to hunt the Eritrean oppositions forces inside Ethiopia?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Emma,

            Such accusations come always from the same quarters with TPLF attached to them. Abiy doesn’t need Eritrean forces for his protection nor does IA need Ethiopian forces. The later type of news come more frequently than the former. I highly doubt people like Mesfin-H goes and comes back safely if Ethiopia was infested with Eritrean spys. I thought Eritrea was depleted of its intelligent youngesters who could populate Ethiopia as spys. I don’t have reason to believe such TPLF fabricated news. They write it, talk about it, they promote it, they translate it.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            You could believe what you want to believe. I don’t have a problem with that. But can answer my question with crystal clear and without explanation “yes or no”. It is a simple question.

          • Haile S.

            Emma,

            We are in a forum where positions are explained and reasons are provided for what we say. I am not in a police-station or in front of a judge to answer Yes No question. Besides I don’t reside in Eth, Eri or Tigray.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Can I assume your response as “yes” to continue my argument, because your explanation amounts to yes? I don’t want to hear “no” when I start to argue with the assumptions of yes. Besides, it will make our positions clear to our readers.

          • Haile S.

            Emma,

            My comment is crystal clear. Please read it and take your conclusion. By bringing it to your terrain of yes and no you are asking me to do what you want to hear. It amounts to you saying, ‘lets go to my terrain, fold your hands and let me box’.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile; i didn’t know you were a head of Eritrean government security that you would know there are Eritrean security forces in Ethiopia. lol i am just scratching my head how you will know to answer yes or no to the foolish question you are asked. wow.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Nitriccay,

            Do you have doubt? This is even very sensitive and fine subject technically..to the distance it is connected with telecom..I have the link in my Jebena page to see.. I have attached just today..

            i am certain you will understand,,

            KS,,

          • Nitricc

            Hey KS; i really don’t know but if you asking me, no. It is just weyane talking of their desperation and Aman-H is blowing it up in case it sticks. One question for you; do you buy the 98.2% election victory by the thugs? it is a credibility test.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Nitriccay,

            I am no in Tgray to talk about election..Really, why I have to judge from far?

            How the hell do you put Aman-H ? Not correct my dear..Not fair.

            Just be honest and be open minded…and we all are not perfect..Just we are discussing..Human beings are working toward perfectness the more you go and find some thing but don’t stop keep going..Yes my dear..Keep your journey clean to the maximum you can. And what is your suggestion? Do you agree? and do you see the link in Jebena? That is the crime of Dr. Abey..Do you notice how the telecom is connected? That is really strange..

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Anta Hailat, I don’t have an interrogating background. My question is simple and straightforward, to make our debate limited within an inscribed issue to stay within its bound, and to disallow any branched argument. You are one of the few who own contrarian views to mine, but yet enjoy debating with them, both to cross my views and to learn something to reshape my understanding. I am not in the boxing affairs. You can go to answer my question as demanded to lock our horns in a debate.

            Regard

          • Consolation

            Selam AH,

            It is you and your Weyane friends who are alleging that there are Eritrean security forces in Ethiopia. So the question is: “Are you sure about this. Yes or No.”

          • Abay

            Dear Mr. Amanuel Hidrat
            Your hatred for Ethiopia and for Dr. Abiy Ahmed has made you so blind that you are spreading fairy tales. And you do it in a street-boy like character although we hear you are a learnt person. There was a comment about you, someone defending you that you are not writing in the forum because TPLF is paying you! But you are spreading the exact lie that TPLF is and what you refer to as Eritrean security forces inside Ethiopia hunting down Eritrean oppositions is simply an outrageous lie and this simply is as identical lie as that of TPLF. Now prove us wrong; show us you are doing this for TPLF free of charge! Eritreans on the opposition live here in Ethiopia in peace. Good thing about you, you are ringing a wake up call that some on the opposition here in Ethiopia may have a similar or more hatred for our prime minister like you. That is equally dangerous like that of TPLF! Note: The implication of this is far more serious than this forum! Thank you for the alert although you are doing a perfect job of poisoning our relationship with Eritreans. By the way, your temper tantrum is simply unwarranted! You, personally are part of the blame for what Eritrea and its people are going through now as you and your comrades together put your president in power, and PLEASE do not externalize problems of your own making!
            Regards
            Abay

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abiy; i am convinced the air ticket was a first class one, lol what a sad event.

          • Saleh Johar

            Nitricc,
            I am curious, can you prove any of your accusations? If not, it’s called defamation.

          • Nitricc

            Hi SG; i meant to say congrats on your victory; i am just envy why PFDJ won’t award me on such level.? I guess your side paid more attention lol i am just kidding. SG; have you ever heard him denying it? of course not because it is true. It is one thing for Eritreans to stay mum on the thugs but to represent Getchew rada of the thugs, well go figure.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            If you are sold to be a low lever soldier for another country, doesn’t mean others to be like you.
            ሰራቒ ኩሉ ሰብ ሰራቒ ኴኑ ‘ዩ ዝስምዖ።
            I am not sure why you are not ashamed and hide. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting of your sole-cell entity. Nevermind.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam Abay,

            “Your hatred for Ethiopia..” I don’t agree with you on this one..as far as I know Aman; He is great man and he will not have any problem with PM and even with all people of Ethiopia at all. But hw want to see the best admin in both nations,,

            KS,,

          • Abay

            Dear Kokhab Selam
            Thank you for the comment. I live in Ethiopia. I live in the middle of what Mr. Amanuel Hidrat claims to have knowledge of. I don’t want to comment on what he thinks the best admin in Eritrea is. it is his country and he has every right to his opinion. What he thinks is the best for Ethiopia is nearly identical to that of TPLF. Here again, he is entitled to his opinion but he should really keep it for himself. If his wish is ill wish we don’t want it. He is serving the TPLF, paid or unpaid is another matter. Thanks for the positive note though.
            Regards
            Abay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abay,

            Are you reader of this site?

            I noted you have missed some posts. This gentle man was getting education polytechnic institute in Bahirdar before he joins ELF..and he know that area more than you and me…and honestly speaking he is a man of principle and honest very advanced hero who had done everything for his people, I know him while he was in field but I don’t think he remembers me..you can imagine now what he was doing in Eritrea..check his articles,,Tebeges..

            He cannot be paid since he was ELF fighters and hero..Do you know he is working paid handsome amount?

            in short this guy is among the few…

            KS,

          • Abay

            Dear KS
            Thank you for your comment.
            I am a reader but a silent one for most of the time. I appear when such “men of principles” post comments that are wrong, dangerous and self serving. When heavy weight pace makers of political scenarios post wrong comments I respond. I really do not mind resumes of such people; only contents. Readers have very high tendency of “consuming” what such people throw, without evaluating and cross checking for accuracy. Such personalities should not be given free pass to post at will and contents should always be checked for accuracy. That is what I am trying to do. For a fact, Eritreans in Ethiopia, opposition or no opposition are living here in peace. AH is wrongly circulating this poisonous rumor that opponents of PIA are being hunted down here. Ask him to give you one name! Just one! If he does, he is right and I am wrong and I will be very happy to apologize and ask him for his forgiveness! Second thing, TPLF is saying exactly the same thing. If AH is being paid by TPLF, that really is a secondary issue.
            I thank you and regards
            Abay

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Abay,

            Thank you my dear..You are honest man,,Really there small confusion..Let me see the subject and come to you..Trust me I am sure and correct he isn’t what you thought. But then let come to you soon..with right thing and come to you…

            KS,,

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abay,

            This is my second encounter with you. Let me make it clear to you. Do I hate Abiy? Yes. Because he is against the sovereignty of my country and the interest of my people. Do I hate Ethiopia? No. Absolutely not. The Ethiopian unity, peace, and stability is quintessential to the peace and stability of the region as whole. If you have qualms with this position, let it be. Because we are arguing for the interest of our countries from opposite sides. Is the Eritrean security apparatus is working with the security of Abiy’s government inside Ethiopia. Yes indeed. The rest of your statements is GIGO.

            I am sure you will not show up here in this forum to say yes you right when the evils of Issayas and its bloody hand played a big role in the current crises of Ethiopia. We shall see the perfusion of your regret when it is too late to prevent from the damage he will incur to the state of Ethiopia. Promise me to show up here after the fact.

            Regard

          • Abay

            Selam Amanuel

            Thank you for your comment.
            I am not asking you to love Dr. Abiy. Do hate him. I am simply against your claims for which you have no proof. And the claims are the same as that of the TPLF, the political organization we the majority in Ethiopia here hate. Now to your comment on security:
            The Eritrean security apparatus working with the Ethiopian security, yes: That is a normal international practice and I think you should know this. And so do the Sudanese, the Djiboutian’s and Kenyans work with Ethiopia. There is security collaboration between countries to fight all sorts of crimes: drug trafficking, arms trade and so on. Does the Ethiopian government let the Eritrean security apparatus get hold of the opposition, absolutely NO. This rumor is purely fabricated, and fabricated by TPLF. You are repeating this baseless fabricated poisonous rumor and you cannot prove it because it is not there. This is another conspiracy theory TPLF is famous for! Honestly, with your alliance with the political party most Ethiopians consider enemy, it is hard to understand your claim: “I love Ethiopia”.
            I thank you and my best regards
            Abay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abay,

            My source to my claim has nothing to do with Wayane. I have my own independent sources – very dependable as such. My source is not even from Tigray people. It is from some intellectuals from other Ethiopian social groups. Second, the kind of security you alluded in your comment are the normal security agreement they enter nations to exchange security information. The security I am talking is different from that. Our despot has officially expressed his interest to work with Abiy to stabilize Ethiopia in his interview. The many shuttles between Addis and Asmara, and the visits of Abiy to the military training of Eritrean Defense Force has to do with it, my friend. Do your homework. Don’t complain and call me wayane. Third, do you really want me to tell you my sources. It won’t happen to put my sources in danger. Thank you for engaging.

            Regards

          • Abay

            Selam Amanuel

            Thank you for your response.
            No, no, you are right. I will not ask you for your sources. Only one thing, how about a name of a person who was apprehended in Addis and deported to Asmara. That should not be dangerous! It will not be difficult to verify it. I live in Addis. Rumor has it that the last visits of the two leaders of each others countries you mentioned is for a totally different purpose! Has nothing to do with Eritrean opposition being apprehended. You might have read about it in the social media.
            Thank you and regards
            Abay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Abay,

            When I talk about the opposition, they are the opposition who are unable to get an exit from Ethiopia after the sudden relationship of the two leaders, and who are still hiding from the wrath of the security personnel of our despot. If they find them they will shot them right away. They will not send them hand cuffed to Asmara. They have learned from the early relationship of PFDJ and EPRDF. In early 90s before the end of their honeymoon, the PFDJ security was all over Ethiopia to hunt and kill the oppositions. We have lost some of our comrades – either abducted or killed by the Eritrean security forces. So I am talking out of the blue. I know what I am talking. Again the Eritrean security forces are everywhere in Ethiopia, except in the state of Tigray. Do your homework and get back to me. Believe me, more so Issayas is dangerous and scary to the stability of Ethiopia. The alarm is everywhere in Ethiopia, unless you aren’t unable to notice it if you are in Ethiopia. Good to converse with you.

            Regards

          • Teodros Alem

            aman h
            I don’t know if what u saying is out of ignorance and mind instability or i don’t know if u r intentionally trying to harm eritreans in ethiopia outside of tigrai?
            In political term what u saying above means eritreans in ethiopia outside of tigrai need to be suspicious of destabilizing ethiopia and needs to be watched out by security forces and by ethiopians.
            aman u don’t know anything about ethiopia or tplf politics, what u think u know is gossip from social media.
            Since u have a high value for meles, pls listen to one of meles interviews about ignorant professors and learn something, he sounds like he is talking about ur kinds.

          • Abay

            Dear Amanuel
            Thank you for the comment. You have not answered my question and I did not think you would. I rest my case and am back to my silent reader mode.
            regards

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Abay,

            I think it’s ok if you like to go to your silent reader mode but what you said below gave me comfort but a little bit of worried.

            Good thing about you, you are ringing a wake up call that some on the opposition here in Ethiopia may have a similar or more hatred for our prime minister like you. That is equally dangerous like that of TPLF! Note: The implication of this is far more serious than this forum! Thank you for the alert although you are doing a perfect job of poisoning our relationship with Eritreans..

            1) It gives me comfort because, people in higher places like yourself (I am assuming) are reading and they get a glimpse of the different views of Eritreans, instead of the one sided like parrot repeated messages.

            2) I am little worried because you are reaching a general conclusion based on some individuals or opposition have said. Instead of the comments limited to the person, you seem to suggest that, there could consequences for Eritreans live / operate in Eritrea. I hope maximum caution should take place, within the boundaries of all legal means instead of making hasty decisions based on public comments of individuals.

            Berhe

          • Nitricc

            Hi Berhe; why are you assuming that? based on what? He makes too much sense to be in the higher position of the Ethiopian government.
            If officials with Abay”s reasoning and logic in the higher place of Ethiopian government; Ethiopia would have been in a better place.

          • Abi

            General
            Berhe assumed Abay, Awate’s rare gem, to be a “higher up “ individual.
            Last time Amanuel Hidrat, Awate’s self appointed ዘረኝነት አምራችና አከፋፋይ assumed Abay must be an Amhara.
            See, it could be worse.

            አባይ አባይ
            የአገር አድባር የአገር ሲሳይ!!!!!!

          • Nitricc

            ዘረኝነት አምራችና አከፋፋይ

            Hi Abiy; you think those are confined in Meqelle; NO. I like how Abay not only the way he handle the awate-forum’s Getchew Reda but they how he puts him in his place. I an lost what is going on with dude.

          • Abay

            Dear Berhe
            Thank you for your comments. You did activate me from my silent mode. I thought you raised to important points, hard to keep quite about.
            1. I am flattered by your assumption, thank you but I am just a private businessman, mid level, nothing high level and that is the truth. Believe it or not, no political engagement at all! I live in Addis and naturally, I have very reliable sources, more reliable than most claim in this forum. We all, however, have to understand that in this digital age, technology is already in the hands of the wrong people and we have to do as much verification as possible before we take a statement for a fact. This is a time when disinformation is an effective tool. Just a humble comment.
            2. On the point that worries me, from your inquiry, I can gauge your analytical capability and I politely request that you put two plus two together. Please be as objective as you can and put your self in the shoes of me and my likes. I know it is an ugly subject for discussion but if it there unfortunately it is there. With due respect, I decline to engage in any further discussion regarding this point.
            3. Just before I go, I might as well breath out what is in my mind, relevant to the topic at hand or not. Not to you in person but as an item for discussion to all. I am wondering if there is any succession plan in the Eritrean opposition struggle. I wonder if the old and the new have the same, different or a bit from each language. Do they even struggle together? Social values have drastically changed and this results in very wide generational gap! I wonder how this is impacting the Eritrean opposition. Ethiopia, Eritrea we have similar culture and mind set and I am wondering if we are both confident enough to put the fate of our nations in the hands of the new, the young? Let me say something on the Ethiopian side. PMAA, he is good/bad aside, most of his cabinet members are the new and the young. It has now subsided but initially, there was big and loud uproar of opposition form the seniors. Many accused most cabinet members of not knowing their right from their left when it came to ruling a country. The country is, never the less, moving and many had forecasted disaster but it has not happened yet. By now they all can tell their right from their left. I also wonder if the political shelf life of many has not already expired! These are days of very fast truck changes, difficult to keep up with and the generational gap widens big time. I wonder if politicians and activists in both countries take this into account and have any replacement strategy! As you can imagine I was looking for an opportunity to breath out this third point. I hope it is a good food for thought.
            With my best regards
            Abay

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Abay,

            It is such a joy to read your posts from a position of logic, knowledge, substance and texture.
            What makes it even more powerful is your location and experience. I hope you peek in on us, time permitting, to correct records and challenge those who misrepresent or outright spread falsehood in today’s Ethiopia for whatever purposes. It is so important.
            Sometimes, what is needed is current information, instead of going around in circles of speculations.

            I look forward to seeing you again and again.

            Mr. K.H

          • Selam Abay,

            Take it as a denigrating campaign against PMAA and Ethiopia by tplf and its Eritrean supporters, with the aim to undo both. They have been doing it since PMAA came to power, because they couldn’t make him a tplf puppet. This way they could have continued to plunder the wealth of the country as they did for almost three decades. Do you see that digital woyane, especially the Eritrean branch, has Abiy as its number one enemy, not IA anymore.

            A lie is a lie, however you force them to support their lies with facts. They can’t bring the truth, because they don’t have one. It is a fake story, which is their modus operandi.
            Tplf and their diehard supporters have planned to bring down Ethiopia with conspiracy theories and fake news, because they can’t do it otherwise. That is the assignment of such people. Even then, there is nothing that can save tplf from falling over the precipice. That will be the day tigray will celebrate here freedom with all Ethiopians.

            The funny thing is that tplf and its diehard supporters, from the one who are the accused for dictatorship, human rights violation, and kleptocracy, are now accusing PMAA for dictatorship, as if Ethiopians have a short memory. They are insulting the intelligence of the Ethiopian people. The ethiopian people are not so naïve as tplf and its supporters think. They could be deaf and blind to the crimes of tplf, but not the people of ethiopia, who were on the receiving end.
            Do come back to awate as Kim Hanna says.

          • Ismail AA

            Selam Abay,
            Sorry for this late comment. Discussing issues with informed objectivity broadens the horizon of our understanding whatever divert the views may be. I personally saw maturity and goodness in your exchanges with Amanuel Hidrat, which some of us wish to find in some of the hot-headed participants who come here with pre-determined mindsets. So, I wish, like others, you grace us with your valuable inputs.

          • Consolation

            Selam Amanuel,

            Because he is against the sovereignty of my country and the interest of my people.

          • sara

            selam ato Haile,
            if what is attributed is taken serious by forumers . we are in serious dilemma.. i think those forces are trying to belittle a giant country like ethiopia for their ulterior motive by implying foreign forces are active in that sovereign country..
            the crazy thing is to implicate eritreans in this…. and create sensation that will translate later in to an act that will make life of those eritreans in transit through Ethiopia difficult.
            btw, ato haile… the other day i missed to ask you or those on the know , what do we say … in tigrnya.. REASON… as in the voice of reason.

          • Selam Haile S.,

            The million dollar question is why do tplf and its diehard eritrean tplf supporters come forward with this outrageous conspiracy theory, that the security of the ethiopian pm is made up of eritreans? In my opinion, it is to send a message to the ethiopian people and to the armed forces that their PM does not trust them, and to undermine the loyalty of the people who carry out the security of the ethiopian pm. That is how tplf and digital woyane work using fake news.

            Soon after Abiy came to power tplf used the useful idiots, olf members, to assassinate him, and fortunately, it failed. Now, there seems to be a plan to use people close to him, his security. This is within tplf modus operandi.

            PMAA is the most exposed african leader. We remember mz and mhm, who were surrounded by a strong security force whenever they dared to set foot outside 4-killo palace. On the contrary, Abiy is seen planting trees, cleaning the street, acting like a traffic policeman, visiting poor families, etc.. Which african leader has ever dared to do such things? Otherwise, why would anybody think or speak of the security of the ethiopian leader, saying that the ethiopian pm’s security are eritreans.

            As we know, it was mz who was using eritrean security. This shows that he didn’t trust his own people, for reasons which are unknown to us.
            Tplf is indeed degenerating and withering away, when it uses such conspiracy theory and fake news.

          • Sultan

            Prof Hailat:
            No one else could have said it better!
            -No objective evidence of deployment of Eritrean Security Forces
            -There has been a toxic propaganda by none but by the TPLF cadres and paid Agents claiming that Eritreans we’re responsible for the untimely death of Hachaluu, when in fact, it was PROVEN as to who that the killer is abd the engine behind the mobs and riots …
            Not to mention that few Eritreans have been targeted by TPLF Agents besides Alula Solomon hiring few Oromo pseudo-intellectuals Setting up and targeting innocent Eritreans in Ethiopia so as to create animosity and enemies between the Oromos and Eritreans( the classic dirty modus operandi and a lethal silent weapon of the TPLF of creating inter-ethnic conflicts and civil wars in Ethiopia
            As you perfectly alluded it, that is the modus opera die of Getachew Assefa and Simon Bereket by blaming the GoE for every destabilizing acts, crimes and efforts the TPLF itself committed.
            I could mention top ten of these but to mention few:
            -The AU bombing plot by using poor Oromo youth
            -The entire Al Shebab saga and conspiracy, when it has been confirmed lately that Al Sheba, in fact was the MAKING of the TPLF
            -The Kampala Stadium Massacre when same TPLF criminals implicated the GoE by trying to tell and confuse the world that it was a plot by the GoE with Code Asmera
            -The sad incident at Afar Region where the German Tourists were killed when Beteket blamed the GoE immediately after the incident….
            Note:
            If at all there are any Eritrean Security Agents in Ethiopia , it is either to:
            -secure Eritrean interests like many other nations do and / or
            -Per the Ethio-Etitrea Security and Intelligence Agreement , to assist the Abiy Govt to stabilize the chaotic nation, which is most likely created by the same “Federalist Forces” under the “ Leadership and Guidance” of the TPLF, based on the facts on the ground!
            Apparently, it looks like the assistance provided by the GoE is helping to destabilize the fragile and unstable nation, for/ to which the Ethiopians including the so called “federalist forces”,should appreciate, if not acknowledge .

            The same “Federalist Forces” have proven to the Ethiopians that they have contributed to the chaos inEthiopia for their political gains based on the Cour Documents …

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Berhe,

            I appreciate defending as to who I am and what I stand for. I firm on the tactics and strategy of my struggle. No wobbling and faltering in the political battle I am waging in the Eritrean landscape and by extension Ethiopian collaborators who are trying to extend the life span of the Eritrean despot. Time and truth speaking will expose their lies and will end their despicable legacy. It is just a matter of time. I was against the the Alliance of PFDJ and EPRDF when they were hunting the oppositions in the early 90s until the end of their honeymoon. I am against the Alliance of our despot and Abiy Ahmed on their evil project against our sovereignty. Any alliance of policy conducted with our despot do affect the lives of the Eritrean people, and hence it is the alliance of the enemy of my people. This is a simple logic in the mechanics of politics.

            Regards

          • Dongolo

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat. Please set the record strait and tell people what role you actually played during the ELF days. Many of us already know. Please blow some smoke and tell the youngsters how you labored in the trenches.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dongolo,

            A ghost also want to know about my record? I am an open book in what I say and in what I write. The Eritrean people knows me very well from advocacy. Just worry about your record – ኢደ-ቤዛ ናይ ኢሳያስ – the serial killer.

        • Simon Kaleab

          Horizon,

          I know that Amanuel H. Sometimes makes strange allegations. But do you have any evidence that he is employed by the TPLF? It is better if you can concentrate on refuting his political position.

          As far as I am concerned, all guerrilla groups (liberation fronts), be it ELF, EPLF, TPLF, OLF, ONLF, Bongo-BongoLF,,,,,XYZLF are equally notorious, each in their own way,

          • Nitricc

            But do you have any evidence that he is employed by the TPLF?

            Hi Simon; it fair Question but what is your evidence that he is not employed by the thugs? Anyway; no one for sure who is who but by what we write, by who we defend, we can tell who stand for what. For instance, Getachew Reda said there are Eritrean security forces in Ethiopia and no one bought that lie but guess who, not only believed it but spit it right back to the forum. If you can’t see that i don’t what you can. Now; what is your evidence that he is not employed by the thugs.

          • Selam Simon Kaleab,

            Does he give you the impression that he is commenting on a personal/individual basis and he is not standing on the side of tplf? Is it possible to say that his comments are impartial and unbiased and not pro-tplf and against the present ethiopian government, thus coping tplf’s position? Is it possible to say that tplf is not aware of the role he plays on awate, a site read by thousands of people? Doesn’t what he writes bring him near tplf?. One can say that he is more or less an eritrean representative of tplf on this site. He must be well known in the tplf circle from what I understand, and what he writes doesn’t pass unnoticed. The fact that he worships mz doesn’t occur without reason.

            There are many ways of give and take, as there are many ways of payments. For example, paying back for services rendered by tplf in the past or will be rendered in the future. Should it always be money or, should it be formal employment? I don’t think so, because this is politics.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Simon,
            You are now Antidentite 🙂

          • Simon Kaleab

            Selam MM,

            There was a notorious dentist in the UK in the 1980s. He had a lot of fake patients on his books, some of them dead. He used to rip off the NHS (National Health Service) hundreds of thousands of pounds every year for treating his fake patients. Finally, he was caught. The tabloid newspapers nicknamed him ‘JAWS’.

            These guerrilla groups are like dinosaurs with bone crushing JAWS.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Selamat Simon
            Very funny 🙂

          • Berhe Y

            Hi MM,

            Funny:)

            I hope one day we will do binge-watching Sienfield.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hey Berhe,
            Sounds good!
            These days though, I hate saying that but reading some nasty comments about one of our heroes, like Prof. Emma, may turn me into soup nazzi.
            I have never met this gentleman but his resume speaks of itself. He is one of those near extinct Eritreans, with the utmost principled Deqebats, which is the migraine of HGDFites.
            We either standup with people like Prof Emma or we prepare to be history.

    • Samuel

      Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
      The Title is correct, however the call is from a political coalition of federalist forces. After September 25 (October 5th GC) the federal government will end its term, so the coalition is making a call to create a caretaker government before the federal government ends its term. After October 5th the federalist forces didn’t want the Army to take power by force, so they are making sure a caretaker government is created ahead of time.

      Here is the English version of the call:

      https://youtu.be/PgpAkvnBhzs

      Thanks,

      • Abi

        Samiti
        ትግርኛውን አጣርተው መረዳት ላቃታቸው ሰውዬ ደግሞ በእንግሊዝኛው ልታደናብራቸው የተነሳኸው ምን በበደሉ ነው?
        እንዴት ክፉ ነህ!

        • Samuel

          Selam Abi,
          The reason I didn’t post the ትግርኛ version is because I didn’t want you to ask the forumers for translation.

          Thanks,

          • Abi

            Samiti
            እውነት ብለሃል የኔ ወንድም::
            እኔስ ለምን ልደናበር?
            የቐንየለይ

      • Brhan

        Thanks Samuel,
        I believe when it comes news about our country south of the border , I find you to be more neutral than the others.
        Secondly I wish we have others like you from different parts of Ethiopia: Oromo, Somali Afar, Harari etc to share their views so that we can have clear understanding of what is going south of the border.
        Having said that who are the federalist forces? Am I correct that TPLF is one of them?

        • Samuel

          Selam Brhan,
          Yes, TPLF is one of the federalist forces. The federalist forces are coalition of political parties from different Nation Nationalities. Oromia, Afar, Wolayta, Sidama, Agew, Somali, Harari, etc.

          Thanks,

        • Dongolo

          Selam Brhan. You find Samuel ‘to be more neutral than the others’. LOL. There went your credibility bro.

          • Brhan

            Selam Brhan,
            It is not hard to criticize PF(DJ). Try it.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Samuel,

        Thank you for the correction and clarifications. I have no doubt that the Ethiopian people will depose Abiy Ahmed before he he turn the country in to a full blown pariah state like ours. The Ethiopian people will prevail. Long live the struggle of the “Ethiopian Federalist forces” to end the “unitary mentalist” in the multicultural Ethiopian society one the one hand, and to foil the conspiracy of Issayas and Abiy against Eritrean sovereignty. To me Abiy is more enemy to the Eritrean Sovereignty than to the Ethiopian unity. Issayas and Abiy must go in order to create a healthy relationship between the two people.

        • Sultan

          Selam Aman:
          Glad you admitted your mistake and corrected it.
          Follow up questions:
          -Speaking of releasing of the Prisoners,who do you believe RELEASED ALL THE PRISONERS EN MASSE , who were imprisoned en masse by none but the TPLF?

          -Who do you believe or think declared a Genuine National Reconciliation and Unity of the fragile nation, which was close to disintegration due to politically motivated ethnic based federal system ?

          -Who do you think resolved one of the worst inter-ethnic conflicts in Africa?
          Either you or “ Amb” Ambassador Samuel can answer them’

        • Samuel

          Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
          I agree with you, there is no question that Abiy will be removed by will or by force, the work that needs to be done ahead is how to minimize if not eliminate the destruction that could happen after that. Abiy and IA are narcissistic individuals who don’t have the will of the people in their priority. As we all know, in 2018 both leaders got an opportunity to lead their respective country to a democratic reform, however they didn’t use the opportunity wisely, they used it for their personal ambitions. Thus, they have to be removed before the region goes into chaos or disintegration.

          Note that TPLF in its 45 years of history it has changed its leader six times, however EPLF/PFDJ has changed zero times in 50 years? It tells you a lot the character of the PFDJ leadership. How could one person lead this much years and expect democracy from him? Does this mean there is no better person than IA? Just curious.

          Regarding Abiy, knowing what’s coming after October 5th, he has now started campaigning to do the election that he illegally extended few months ago, however there is no enough time now to do the election while he is at the helm of the power. The only choice he has left is he should cooperate to have caretaker government created peacefully, release political prisoners and reinstate the election, otherwise things could get ugly.

          Generally I agree with you that Abiy is a danger not only for Ethiopia and Eritrea but also the horn in general. Most Abiy sympathizers support him not because he is democratic or great leader, they cheer him for his animosity and hatred he created towards TPLF, some could be misled by his mischievous behavior. To tell you the truth if it wasn’t for Tigray/TPLF Abiy could have turned the region into deep chaos.

          Thanks,

  • Dongolo

    Howdy all. Egyptian military flights into Tigray simply cannot be allowed. The ice is becoming far too thin.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ህግደፍ መጫጭሒ ድኽነት
    ህግደፍ ምኩር ናይ ስነ ድሕረት

    ህግደፍ ጸረ ምሁራት ዜጋታት
    ህግደፍ መፍረ ናይ ድኻታት
    ፈጣሪ ሕሉፍ-ማሕለኻታት

    ህግደፍ መራብሒ ስንክልና
    ህግደፍ በብሓደ ከጥፈኣና

    ህግደፍ ጽልኢ ናይ ኤረትራ ዘርኢ
    ኩሉ ኩነንታቶም ንሱ ‘ዩ ዘርኢ
    ሕማቕ ራኢ

  • Brhan

    Hi all
    If you would like to know about PF(DJ) corruption, watch Negarit 101 on YouTube.
    Corruption has colors and people can’t be fooled.

    • Abi

      Brhan
      Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately, I have to wait for the English transcript.
      In the mean time I invite you to watch the new Randy Rainbow parody.
      He did it again!!!

      • Brhan

        Hello Abi,
        The English version is avilable now. In one of your comments you also mentioned about H. Menqerious money laundering when he was an ambassador in Ethiopia. This shows he was doing that as per instructions from his bosses of the PF(DJ). This proves how corrupt the PF(DJ) was and is.

        • Abi

          Hello Brhan
          Thanks again for the heads up.
          I think our region is the most corrupt in the world.
          If you listen to the current news coming from Ethiopia… በስመአብ!!!
          –ባለቤት የሌላቸው የጎዳና ተዳዳሪ ህንፃዎች
          — ጭነት መኪና ሙሉ ገንዘብ
          — ገንዘብ አጣቢ ባንክ
          — ወድቆ የተገኘ ጆንያ ሙሉ ገንዘብ
          ስንቱን ልዘርዝረው?

          • Teodros Alem

            abi azmeri
            not just the current but all news comes out of ethiopia is from ur co- workers, right? u do the online azmeri part and.some do the activist part, some do it journalist style, some don’t have a clue except reading what ever they told to read.
            i’m sure if not u, ur kids will pay price.
            azmer ende zzz

          • sara

            selam ato tedros,
            i see you repeatedly addressing ato Abi azmeri, from what i know
            he is azmarino from his xxxx (our sis) side only…. but going forward
            he may ….. i say again he may– qualify to be one if he works for it better here and at home.

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      ሰላማት ብርሃን
      ሳልሕ ቃዲ ብዛዕባ ክዳውንቲ ጀልፋፋት [sorry ጀነራላት] ማስያ ስለዘብዘሐ ሳርቶ ከይኮንኩ ኣይተርፍን።
      ‘ንታይ ክንገብር ኢልካና? ሕማቕ ርኢና።

  • Consolation

    Hi All,

    There is a famous quote attributed to Stalin that goes: “It is not those who vote that count but those who count the vote.” And the truth of this is evident in what happened in Tigray. One of the parties, Baitona, the party that was gifted one seat by Weyane, has issued a scathing report on the election. It identifies ten serious irregularities any one of which would invalidate the results of the election. The main anomaly has to do with the election commission itself. Although it was established to be an independent agency, all of its sub-zonal branches were organized by the TPLF before the commission was established. In other words, the TPLF was the vote counter. You may find the rest of the report at the Baitona Tigray FB page.

    • Abi

      Consolation
      It is like the fox guarding the chicken house. Of course, you can’t depend on it 100%. You got to settle with only 98 % reliability. The old good days of መቶ በመቶ have gone.

      • Consolation

        Hi Abi,

        Irregularity 9 says

        9. በቲ ኣዋጅ መሰረት ሕፁይ ሕጋዊ ከለላ ዘለዎ ዋላ እንተኾነ ሕፁያትና ኣብ መረፃ መዓልቲ ኣብ ዝተፈላለዩ ዞባታት ተኣሲሮም እዮም፡፡

        9. Although, according to the election law, the candidates have legal immunity, many of our candidates in different areas were detained on the day of voting.

        Has anyone ever heard of candidates being detained by security forces on the day of election. Only in TPLF land does such an outrageous act make sense.

        • Abi

          Consolation
          Looks like some of the chickens got eaten by the fluffy tailed foxes.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Conso; Alula Solomon dumped TPLF. lol At least give him a credit. there are Eritreans who die for the TPLF on this forum. Good for Alula. He is disappointed by the thugs, i have no idea what he expected.

          • Consolation

            Hi Nitricc,

            It reminds me of the song by Cher “When the money’s gone, will you be my friend.” Well, the money is gone and Weyane will lose a lot of its friends. As for our Eritrean friends, they will never jump out of the sinking ship. They will never admit that they were wrong. They will just fade away into the sunset.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Conso; i read many Tigryans are disappointed and agree; I am just surprised that they failed to know and understand the TPLF thugs. TPLF thugs are out for themselves. They can’t give up power, the minute they do, they will be hanged by the people and in that fact, they can’t allow anyone to come to power. If the Tigryans started to know and understand the thugs, why is it for the so-called Eritrean on this forum so hard to know this fact? My question to you is this….They are defending the TPLF thugs day and night 24/7; they do so because they hate the government of Eritrea or it just plain stupid who sold their souls for a few dollars? I don’t care who you are when you hear an election that victorious by 90s run and never look back.

          • Abi

            General
            They support Tplf thugs because they hate everything Ethiopian.
            These thug worshipping, self degrading idiots have told us repeatedly that Ethiopia will be disintegrated without their handlers at the helm.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi ye online azmeri
            i don’t know what ethiopia mean to u, but if ethiopia means all ethiopians, every group, ethnic , religion , region and so on, ur hate to ethiopia is not less than those who hate ethiopia in this forum, maybe u don’t know it out of ignorance or maybe u think u r smart and sarcastically defending ethiopia but ur hate anything ethiopia is bigger than aman or ismeal.
            and never saw in my life low person like u, if in case we meet face to face , i will 100% be happy to k….
            zemb hun Zzz.

          • Abi

            Dearest TA
            I know you will definitely kiss me if you meet me face to face.

          • Teodros Alem

            abi online azmeri
            I will not hesitate to end ur low l…
            Or abi= Zzzz life.

          • Abi

            Dearest TA
            ጨክነህ ከአንተ ልታመሳስለኝ?
            በል ተወው ! አልተገናኘንም

          • Teodros Alem

            abi online azmeri
            1 dirty new birr for this one as shelemat .
            i just want end ur misery. Zzz kemetel like a dirty Zzz.

          • Consolation

            Nitricc,

            I really feel sorry for them. The level of hatred they have for the EPLF is unimaginable. It has totally deranged their minds, so much so, that they will never do the right thing as far as Eritrea is concerned. They blame both the EPLF and TPLF for their withdrawal from the field in 1981. So they have this idea that by allying with the TPLF, they are taking revenge on the EPLF. They don’t realize that Eritrea has been independent for the past 29 years, Their minds have frozen in that traumatic event of the summer of 1981. I think the technical word for their condition is nihilism. Google says “A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.” It is destruction of Eritrea that they seek, so that they can go back to 1981.

            It isn’t that they like or admire the TPLF. That is just a front. Deep down they have the same resentment especially when the TPLF always reminds them of its victory over the ELF as one of its achievements. The biggest problems in life are those of the mind. And the only thing we can do is keep hammering at the futility of their nihilism.

          • Kokhob Selam

            Dear Cons,

            Tell me who loves that bloody front? Only the people like you who are revenge thinkers …even the devil don’t like the name..You must know and I am going to tell you frankly even you may not like deep inside..leave the ordinary man and women and also child..even all the people of the world think and ask any human around you

            Ask any one and they will tell you move far..

            KS..

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            This is beautiful poem, Kokhobay!
            Keep it coming!

          • Consolation

            Selam KS,

            ደርሆ፡ ርእሱ ምስተቖርጸ
            ኣለኹ ኢሉ ከይቀበጸ
            ነፊሩ ሰማይ እንተወጸ
            ተመሊሱስ: መሬት ነይረገጸ።

          • Kokhob Selam

            Selam CONS,

            ይኣክል!!!!!!

            ናይ መን ኣካል ሓሲሩ ናይ ዕዋላ ክኸብር:-
            መን ምስ ደቀሰ ደቂሱ ይሓድር:-
            መን ምስ ተዛነየ ነብይኑ ይዕንድር:-
            ሓዲ ኣላ ለንዘበን እንተስ ክሃድም —
            ……………………… እንተስ ክትርተር

            KS,

          • Sultan

            Condo:
            Cut his head for stating sad facts and CONDEMNING the injustice on his own people??
            Huwki lette!
            Zeben ghirinbid Mai i ni Akeb!
            Which derho are you talking about?
            The permanently disabled for their country and people like Vet Teg Kokheb et al or the few traitors?
            I wish I know who you are…
            I wish kokheb reserves himself from adoring the dead for good midget and expressing solidarity with/to those,who adore the evil man and co.
            But I guess he is entitled to do so!

          • Sultan

            A Perfect one Kidus Kokheb!
            I cannot dispute these facts but swallow the bitter pill of TRUTH.

          • Teodros Alem

            selam conso
            I think u wrong, what i think is , these people in the first place join eplf or elf because of thier hate to ethiopia, if hating ethiopia is not the case , they wouldn’t talk about ethiopia 24/7 after 30 years of eritrea independence. For these people democracy or independent eritrea means nothing, unless eritrea or democracy help them to destroy ethiopia. For them ethnic/religion democracy or independent eritrea is a tool to destroy ethiopia and one of the reason they hate pia is because deep down they think he is weak, unable and unwilling to destroy ethiopia and they think he has to be replaced by some one with more powerful and more aggressive towards ethiopia.
            Look at all of them before 1998 and look at them after 2001 .

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Private,
            First, there is no government in Eritrea. It is a group of Begamidos.
            Second, hating the Begamidos doesn’t make you anti-Eritrea
            Third, if you have any shame in your blood, YOU are the one who should stay quiet. You are a SOLDIER, not Eritrean but a low ranking private here in the usa.
            You have done nothing, let me repeat nothing for Eritrea, just like those Sofia T., Elias Amare, etc.
            Insulting veterans makes you like a FOOL.
            Got it sole-cell 55 yrs old baby.

          • Nitricc

            MM Uber must be slowing. Successful people never say they are successful and educated people never say they are educated. I don’t blame you for finding yourself at the end of your life and wishing all that BS. You are nothing but A-hole. how about that?

  • Haile S.

    Selam Gedab News,

    Your artist or designer has a lot of imagination. His/her image-captions don’t leave me idle. They torment my brain. እምተዘይትንውንወኒ መን መጽደፈኒ kind of thing. In the photo accompanying this article, does placing Nairobi on a Canvas (looks jute canvas) has any relation with Jute material where dollars are stashed? In other words, is corruption so rampant in Nairobi?

    • Ismail AA

      Selam Haile,
      You are either a trained and gifted with critical mind reader, or the latter reinforced by the former, needlessly. I am yet to witness in this forum an allround and thorough reader as you are. God bless you, sir,

      • Haile S.

        Selamat Ismail,
        You guessed well. My training has something to do with it. For the rest I can only say thank you for your always generous compliment. There are many inquisitive ones like you in this forum. I admire among others your lucidity too. You are my Seneca (the younger).

        • Sultan

          Kudos to you Hailat for admitting that you are one but a special Scientist and Professor!
          Glad the wisest man of the forum, NONE but THE USTAZ Ismael AA, endorsed my nomination of you with for your well deserved title .
          The humility and the civility is but enviable!

    • Kaddis

      Selam Haile – you must have gone too long from the region to ask about corruption in Nairobi ; -)
      they joke in Nairobi ከተማሰለ ሻይ ውሰጥ ስኳር ይሠረቃል ይላሉ
      I know Mombassa better and they speak about Nairobi’s corruption as if its another country. Regardless – I love thier energy and speed – its another level

      • Haile S.

        ሰላም ካዲስ፡

        ኣዎን ብዙ ጊዜ ሆኖኛል፡ በመጠኑም ኣስመራም ኣዲስ ኣበባ እያለሁ፡ ኣይቻለሁኝ። በደርግ ጊዜ ኣዲስ ኣበባ እያለሁ የገረመኝ ላጫውትህ። ቅርብ ዘመዴ የግል ድርጅት የነበረው፡ ኣንድ ቀን ቀረጥ ክፈሉልኝ ብሎ ኣብሮት ከሚሰራ ወንድሙ ጋ ኡራኤል ኣጠገብ በነበረው ጽ/ቤት ይልከናል። እዛ ስንደርስ ወረፋ ሞልቷል። ዘመዴ ግድ የለህም ኣንጠብቅም፡ ዘዴ ኣለን ኣለኝ። ብትር የያዘውን ኣሰላፊ ና ብሎ፡ መጀመርያ ብር ኣሳቀፈው። ሰውየው ፊት ካሳለፈን በኋል፡ ለገንዘብ ተቀባዩ ወፈር ያለ ገንዘብ ለሱም ኣሳቀፈው። በኋላ ወረቀቱን ኣቅርበን ቀረጡን ከፍለን ተመልስን እልሃለሁ። ቀረጥ ለመክፈል ሁለት ጉቦ! ገርሞኝ፡ እንዴት ነገሩ ብየ ስጠይቅ፡ ካለበለዝያ እያመላለሱ፡ ጊዜው እስኪያልፍ ያቆዩህ እና፡ ከመቀጮ ድምር፡ በእጅህ እስክትመጣ ሌላ ፕሮሰስ ያስጀምሩሃል ኣሉኝ።

        • Nitricc

          Hi Haile; You have no idea what i went through to understand when you said….

          በእጅህ እስክትመጣ

          I was stuck and unable to understand what you are saying.
          I just couldn’t imagine people walking on their hand. hahahahaaha and then just hit me what it means. lol okay you have to bribe someone to get to pay your taxes. You got me. lol

          • Haile S.

            Selam Nitricc,

            Beautiful! Is that from Abi?

            The Nitricc way should have been
            በኤርትራው ተጭኖ መጣብን ከትግራይ ባሻገር 🙂 🙂 🙂

          • Nitricc

            Hi Haile; i sow it on twitter. I really got a kick out that and
            Abiy is too toothless to come up with that lol

          • Abi

            General
            ባንኩን አስረክቦ ለድንጋይ ወርዋሪ
            ታንኩን አስረክቦ ለድንጋይ ወርዋሪ
            መቀሌ ከተመ የደደቢቱ ፈሪ
            ድንጋይ ሊቆረጥም ጠፍቶ ፍርፋሪ
            አገር አፈራራሽ ዘሩን አሳፋሪ

            በታንክ እንዳልመጣ ደረቱን ገልብጦ
            በጭለማ ጠፋ ጭራውን ሸጉጦ
            መጨረሻው ቀርቧል አይተ ብልጣብልጦ

          • Consolation

            Hi Abi,

            ‘ባክህ ዞር በል ኣትቀልድ
            ኣትንጫጫ እንደ እብድ
            ተራራ ያንቀጠቀጠ ትውልድ
            ኣልወረደም ከወንበር በግድ
            ኣያውቅም ወያናይ መሰደድ
            ማን ያነሳዋል ቢል ኣልወርድ::

          • Kokhob Selam

            Hi Cons,

            …………ተሓተት ህግደፍ፥………….

            ስውእ እምነት እዩ ንስኹም ተኸድዑ:-
            ስውእ ሰላም እዩ — – ኩናት ተባርዑ:-
            ስውእ ሓፋሽ እዩ — ሓፋሽና ትቐጽዑ:-
            ስውእ ስልጣን እዩ– – ካብ ህዝቢ ትመንዑ
            ስውእ ጀግና እዩ — – ንሃደምቲ ተጣቅዑ
            ስውእ ስራሕ እዩ– – ከይሰራሕኩም ትበልዑ
            ስውእ ስምረት እዩ– – ምፍልላይ ተላብዑ
            ካብ ኣየ ናይ ዘንተሞጎት ብስውእ ትኾርዑ????????

            ወዲ ስውእ ኣብ ሰደት ኣብ ሲናይ ክቅበር
            ጓል ስውእ ክት ስደት ክትሕረድ ክትድፈር
            ከመይ ኢሉ ይኸውን ብኣኹም ይዝከር
            ስውእ ስውእ ትብሉ ኣጉል ምቅብጣር
            ኣርእዩኒ ምኽኒት ወይሎጂክ ብተግባር:-
            ምሽክዕላል እዩ ንዕቀት ህዝቢ ምድንጋር

            ሰማእታትና ክበሩ ኣሉታውያን ይሕረሩ:

            KS,,

          • Abi

            Consolation
            ወያናይ መች ተሰደደ
            አልኩኝ እንጂ ወደ ቆላ ወረደ
            ጭራውን ቆልፎ እየተርበደበደ
            ሽንቱ ‘ያመለጠው ሆዱ እየራደ

            ተራራ ያንቀጠቀጠው በድንጋይ ተዋርዶ
            ያ ደፋር ልቡ ቀልጦ እንደ በረዶ
            ከንጦጦ ተራራ ወርዶ ወርዶ ወርዶ
            ደደቢት መሸገ ሁሉ ነገር ባዶ!
            ወይ ነዶ! ወይ ነዶ! ወይ ነዶ!

        • Kaddis

          Selam Haile –
          Yes corruption is deadly – specially when it reaches the justice system. I always say – living in Addis is okish until you go to the police station and gov hospital emergency ward. It just kicks you in the face; you would say immediately what I am I doing here.
          I wish I can say its getting better but its not
          cheers

  • Nitricc

    Hi All speaking of money laundering; the game is on in Ethiopia. This is amazing trap that is being in place. This will work. good for you Ethiopians, get the cash. it is your money. this is what Siyum Teshome is saying……

    በየትኛውም ባንክ ወይም ሌላ ተቋም ውስጥ የሚሰራ ሀገር ወዳድ ኢትዮጵያዊ የተዘረፈን ገንዘብ ለማሸሽ የሚሞክሩ ሰዎችን ወይም ሌላ አይነት አጠራጣሪ ሁኔታዎችን በራሱ ተመልክቶ ወይም ከሌላ ሰው መረጃ ደርሶት፤ ለማንና እንዴት እንደሚናገር ግራ ገብቶት፣ ብናገር ያልታሰበ ጣጣ ያመጣብኝ ይሆናል ብሎ ሰግቶ አሊያም ደግሞ መረጃውን ብናገርስ ለእኔ ምን ይጠቅመኛል የሚል ስሜት ያለው ሰው የመረጃውን ትክክለኝነት አረጋግጦ #ለEthioWikiLeaks ቢልክ ተጠቃሚ ይሆናል። ምክንያቱም አንደኛ፦ ማንነቱም ሆነ ሌሎች ሚስጥሮች ስለሚጠበቁለት ከምንም ዓይነት ስጋት ነፃ ይሆናል፣ ሁለተኛ፦ በመረጃው መሠረት የተያዘው ገንዘብ በህገወጥ መንገድ በመሸሽ ላይ የነበረው መሆኑ በሚመለከታቸው የመንግስት አካላት ከተረጋገጠ በኋላ መረጃውን የሰጠው ግለሰብ ገንዘቡን ሙሉ በሙሉ በሙሉ ይወርሳል። ስለዚህ በየትኛውም መስሪያ ቤት ሆነ ባንክ የሚሰራ ሰራተኛ ዘራፊዎች በህገወጥ መንገድ ገንዘብ እያሸሹ እንደሆነ የሚያሳይ መረጃ ካለው በኢሜይል፦ ethiowikileaks3@gmail.com ወይም በMessenger በኩል መረጃውን መላክ ይችላል።
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    • Abi

      General

      It doesn’t stop here.
      If a bank employee knew the scheme and failed to report to authorities, he will be in a deeeeep sheeeeeeeeet.
      He better report and collect the bounty.
      Love it
      Love it
      Love it

    • Abi

      Hello General
      Purchasing properties with cash is already banned. Only accounts transfer from existing accounts is allowed for purchases. If you buy a building or a truck and paid cash for the purchase, you will never be able to transfer the ownership to your name. You are required to present a bank approved certificate for registering your property in your name.
      Oops!

      • Nitricc

        Hi Abiy today in Addis 240 million Birr confiscated by a police. They found in a truck that was loaded with onions and the money was stashed deep in to the onion bugs. It seems, someone tipped the authority and all i know is who stopped it, today he or she is a multi milliner, instantly. this thing will work to perfection. Geeeeee, if i was in Addis, i will be snooping all over the city to be a milliner. The idea is simply brilliant. on the same times, in Tigray people are encouraged to buy gold. lol

        • Abi

          General
          Talk about wealth distribution!!!
          The Tigray people better buy fertilizer than gold.
          There is a searching of trucks and buses at the border crossings by the police and military.
          Finders Keepers!!

          • Nitricc

            Hi Abiy there was a news one thug caught with 99-K in us dollar in DC airport. I am sure the US government will take that money. What PMAA did was instead of the government he wanted the people to have some share. Can you imagine how the people in Ethiopia could have used 99-k us dollars?

      • Selam Abi,

        Millions of birr are caught all over the country just within two days. 26 million birr in bahr-dar without an owner. It Looks like the country is awash with illegal money.

        የማጅራት መቺዎች problem in Tigray. Jobless young people are said to be resorting to such practices. Tplf officials, those who left the federal government, are said to be returning to addis.
        After all, Tplf is not the panacea nor the savor of tigray as digital woyane says.

        • Abi

          Horizon
          በቅርቡ አሳዳሪ የሌላቸው የጎዳና ተዳዳሪ ብሮች ከተማዋን ያጥለቀልቋታል:: በሌብነት የሰበሰቡትን ብር እንደአራቸው የትም እያንጠባጠቡ ነፍስ አውጭኝ ነው::
          እዩን እዩን እንዳላሉ ደብቁን የሚሉበት ቀን ደርሷል::

    • Kaddis

      Hi Nitricc –
      It has nothing to do with the economy or illicit money or pressuring tplf….they are an integral part of the economy, you can’t isolate them without crashing the economy…which Aby and Isu doesn’t care actually. its about total control Isias style. You can’t take Aby seriously who says I recieved an empty kazna or government funds from woyane and later shock an already dying economy by covid, insecurity etc by changing the currency.
      Isu, having the influence on Abiy, is playing repeat what tplf did ….gambling the same no war no peace situation could happen against tigray. Both Aby and Isu are clueless how the Eth economy works. And in general – cash economy doesn’t mean its a backward economy – ask the Germans.
      And read economists and bankers – not youtube komarits

      • Nitricc

        Hey Kaddis; I really don’t buy that PIA is influencing PMAA. PMAA was really prepared gave it deep thought in to how to govern Ethiopia and what kind of PM he wanted to be. Do you know how I believed that? I haven’t seen photo of Abiy in his early adulthood all they way as soldier. People with no public photo normally will become presidents and high-ranking government positions. So, for a person who prepared thought about through for most of his life, he can’t be influenced my other country’s president or by anyone. Don’t be fooled by those nice and peaceful speeches, you come to his power, he will be eliminated you. I have a feeling many people are deceived by his peaceful speech’s and for his lack force. However; If he is influence by PIA of Eritrea, then Eritrea and PIA is doing something good. My point is for a person who prepared to be a prime minster will not be going to change or be influenced by another person, NO. He is in for long haul and he will do what ever to stay in power witch is not a bad thing for Ethiopia.

  • Abi

    Hello All
    Haile Menkorios, the former Eritrean Ambassador to Ethiopia, is a known specialist in money laundering! He turned his embassy to a money laundering መደብር.
    “ኃይሌን ያመነ ጉም የዘገነ”
    Why am I not surprised? Because Ambassador Haile is playing in the center forward position in this game. Haile, when he plays in his favorite position, he always scores a hat trick!!!
    Gooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllll !!!!!!!

    • Nitricc

      Hi Abiy; when the story of Wegagen Bank in Adds, Sudan, Kenya and Djibouti comes out, it will dwarf anything you ever heard money laundering and financial crimes on this world.

      • Abi

        General
        Something like that should be left for World Book of Records to deal with.
        It is beyond my pay grade.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Abiy, did you know that when someone sends money from the west to Ethiopia, the dollar goes to Sudan, Kenya or Djibouti and then someone makes a call to Addis or anywhere in Ethiopia and the precipitants gets their money. The Idea is dollar not to enter to Ethiopia while birr is kept out of the country for this purpose.
          When PMAA worried about the returns of Ethiopian money from outside the country, he knew the challenge. If PMAA can get right this own, i will say the economy will explode. But not easy.

          • Sultan

            Selam Gen:
            I admire and cherish your comprehensive general knowledge.
            A multi-billion-celled only man can have that talent!
            Only SHAEBIA or Higdef has been ahead of the loss of the $$ thru the way u brilliantly said it;and guess what?

            Higdef is so smart that it allowed people to bring in to the nation up to $10k besides controlling all the black market currency exchange kiosks and the WU!
            Now Eritreans find it better to wire $ thru Higdef !
            Speaking of the looters and losers, the corrupt TPLF and contrabandists including some high profile Eri Officials were made to lose millions and billions of old nacfa(28 billion unaccounted for nacfa)!
            Hence,SGJ’s Negarit on “ He GRADUATED”!
            Some of us supported that smart move but the unsuspecting TPLF cadres demonized Higdef for its brilliant measure!

      • Teodros Alem

        Selam Nitricc
        If u think wegagen bank belongs to tplf, u r wrong, tplf only have 20% share.

        • Nitricc

          Hi Teddy; then who owns the 80% part? from what i understand, it is TPLF all the way, 100%.

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            no, tplf share is just 20%.

          • Nitricc

            then who owns the 80%?

          • Teodros Alem

            Selam Nitricc
            The point u guys argument is based on fake and twisted info.