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IS Entices AlShabab To Pledge Allegiance

In the early hours of Sunday, a gory 29-minute video showing the execution and slaughter of 28 people appeared on the Internet. By the afternoon, many websites removed the complete gory video and replaced it with shorter clips.

The video production carried the signature of Al Furqan, the media and propaganda arm of IS. The Islamic State For Iraq and Levant (ISIS) is now simply known as Islamic State (IS) after it expanded its reach beyond Iraq and Syria. Currently it has franchises in Sinai, Palestine, Libya, Nigeria, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

IS extremists executed the Ethiopian victims in two groups. The first group of 12 men in bright orange jumpsuits were beheaded in the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, while the second group of 16 men in black jumpsuits were shot at close range in the southern desert of Libya. According to the caption, the first group was behead by the Burqa affiliate and the second group by the Fezzan affiliate of IS.

Apparently the aim of the gruesome video is to bolster AlShabab of Somalia which has yet to pledge allegiance to IS though it has pledged allegiance to AlQaeda. Observers believe that IS wants to lure AlShabab to its fold.

AlShabab considers the Ethiopian government an enemy for its support of the Somali government. And it has been fighting fierce battles against the Ethiopian forces since 2006, and has carried out several attacks inside Ethiopia where civilians were killed.

The caption on the video described the victims as, “worshipers of the cross belonging to the hostile Ethiopian church.”

In February, the Libyan franchise of IS beheaded 21 Egyptian Coptic Christian workers, provoking the Egyptian government to retaliate with airstrikes on Derna, an IS stronghold.

The latest victims of IS are purportedly Ethiopian Christians who happened to be in Libya, the main transit stop for African refugees and migrants on their way to Europe.

For the last ten years, human traffickers operated lucrative business smuggling people to Europe mainly via the Island of Lampedusa, which lies in the southern edges of Italy.

The Libya-Lampedusa route was briefly closed during the Arab Spring after the fall of the Gaddafi regime. In recent years, the route that served mostly Eritrean refugees has now become the preferred route for Syrian, Iraqis and other Africans, including Ethiopians.

Since Israel barb-wired its borders and became intolerant with refugees, and lately the Egyptian army has been waging a military campaign to demolish the camps of the human smugglers in Sinai, Eritrean and Ethiopian refugees and migrants are left with only the Libyan route as a choice.

An Ethiopian official reached by telephone told Gedab News, “I have nothing to add to what the official spokesman said, the Ethiopian government has not yet confirmed the identity of the victims of the atrocious act. We are working on it.” He added, “Ethiopia is doing all it can to help Ethiopians to return to their country if they want.”

Ethiopia doesn’t have an embassy in Libya. The Ethiopian embassy in Cairo couldn’t be reached.

[awate.com offers its condolences to the Ethiopian people in general and the Orthodox Christians in particular]

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  • Hayat Adem

    Hi all,
    For someone to remember or seek a professional embalmer/undertaker, there has to be one or more death in the house. At other normal times, you must really be a very all-concern-careful guy to play it just nice with an embalmer thinking of a favor in the future, the God Father style..Otherwise you wouldn’t your life to be punctuated by an encounters with an embalmer. It is a one-way relationship. He doesn’t call you in normal times, even in bad times. You reach him out when you need his service.. He waits for your call, unscheduled at that..
    Isaias has become a leader only few countries are willing to host and only in their bad times. To say something to the Russians and for them to listen to him, they must first be under a global confrontation with the US or the west over Crimea or something else. To say something to the Europeans and for them to listen to him, he must flood them first with young Eritrean immigrants via the seas, and lots of them had to die on their way. To say something to the Egyptians and for them to listen to him, Egypt must go under a Nile crisis. To say something to the Iranians and for them to listen to him, there must be something he can offer in opposing Israel or/and KSA. For the younger nation SS to send a diplomat to talk to him, Salva had to hit a dead end first with his complex peace negotiation under IGAD. To say something to the Saudis, and for them to listen to him, there must be a problem in Yemen.
    He had to wait for a bad time to ears of other leaders. His supporters consider it as a roaring of a lubricated lion. Awate calls it a cracking sound of a rusted door.
    Hayat

  • Nitricc

    Timely and meaningful song. To me it is clear; stay home and build it the way you want it or die trying. Some one will follow what you have started and finishes it. that way you have done something to the coming generation that wasting your life nothing on the land of nowhere. Tell it Gossaye.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgT3vPjWWhM

  • ‘Gheteb

    Aloha Awate Forumers,

    Here is one brave Ethiopian calling a spade a spade. Not mincing words; not contorting to unwieldy knots; not pettifogging; not attempting to explain away facts and reality. No. Just calling it as it is.

    The good and honest Ethiopian Doctor:

    A) Identifies those lording over Ethiopia , read Weyanes, as REPRESSIVE
    B) This oppressive Weyane regime is sustained by American help
    C) The Ethiopian youth are fleeing from this oppressive regime that is ruling Ethiopia

    Thank you Dr. Daniel Teferra, (PhD)

    http://www.ethiomedia.com/101facts/4723

    • AOsman

      At least he is consistent, but I don’t think you will agree with his view (Ethiopia = Ethiopia+Erittea): http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/12/opinion/l-eritreans-want-independence-from-ethiopia-now-tyranny-reigns-728791.html

      • Kim Hanna

        Selam Aosman,
        .
        LOL, sorry for the intrusion. As someone recently said to me “I can’t help it”.
        .
        You are right the Dr. is consistent. I was of the same belief and conviction in those days. I didn’t care too much for this new Ethic Federalism scheme, specially when it was delivered with a promise of “100 years of homework”.
        Today, the facts on the ground absolutely changed my mind. Unfortunately, the good Dr. is still swimming up the river.
        .
        Thanks for the one liner.
        .
        K.H

        • AOsman

          Selamat KH,

          Sorry for my ignorance about Ethiopian politics, I lived in Addis for a year (93/94) and I remember then that TPLF was not liked, I saw Weyane fighters walking in a file being mocked by kids and what surprised me most is in Piaza one beggar going “Sle Megistu” (he must have thought the solidarity will get him more cash). This early rejection was a blessing in disguise, as Weyane had to play the Ethic Federalism scheme to get a wider support to weaken the potential threat from the Amhara. In contrast in Eritrea, EPLF received the opposite reception, now we have to partly blame ourselves for the tyrannical regime that we have created for our excessive admiration (HGDEFite are perpetuating it).

          Hopefully you don’t mind the personal question, from your comment, are you an Amhara that has changed his mind on Weyane, based on the progress and achievement they have shown over the last 24 years. This will dispel my old assumptions about Ethiopian politics by extension that most Ethiopians who participate in awate forum are from Tigray.

          Regards
          AOsman

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam AOsman,
            .
            I don’t mind. Yes, I am Amhara. Not just any Amhara but a Shoa Amhara. (I know that will tickle abi, who is a Gondere at this forum.)
            .
            I still have a nagging fear about ethnic divisions in any country, let alone in Ethiopia.. However I saw the transformation of the country in such a relatively short time. The green, yellow, red flag taking a hold and ownership in every part of the country gave me hope for a better future to Ethiopians.
            .
            K.H

      • ‘Gheteb

        Hi AOsman,
        Only in his views of the current regime in Ethiopia. Not all Ethiopians who claim to believe in Eritrea’s independence are sincere. I don’t think the majority of those Ethiopians in this Forum have a different opinion than the good Doctor regarding Eritrea. He is honest, but what we have here are a bunch of pretenders who are speaking from both sides of their mouth.

        • AOsman

          Dear Gheteb,

          On reading your comment, I just placed his name on google and did not even attempt to read what he had written in between (I was in a rush leaving work and wanted you to check him out).

          The “deformed identity” argument is waste of time, I usually laugh at it rather than going on the defensive. All you have to do is to let the proponents build the case, blow it out of proportion and do all the patching, then burst it with little effort. Basically whatever ails us, it not only in Eritrea, you will find it in Ethiopia, so no need to defend.

          Once we move on from the identity debate, we have a tyrant that is ruling us, your input and idea in solving our internal challenge would be more appreciated. I have not followed you closely (the English is out of my reading league 🙂 ), but I promise to have a dictionary close by when you switch gear and get your hand dirty to deal with dilemma of change.

          Regards
          AOsman

  • Amde

    This says it all…

    “No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.” (John 15:13).

    Amde

  • Abi

    Hi Haile
    You don’t have to trust me at all. Talk to the Honorable Saleh Gadi Johar about the illegal, inhuman, unheard of deportation in the time of peace. If you trust him on Ona , my hope is you trust him on this.
    Regarding the cell and armed eritreans, I lived with them, I worked with them . If you are asking for an evidence, it took a while for the ethiopian government to disarm them before the border war.

  • Fanti Ghana

    Hello Zula and Horizon,
    Thank you both. The pain of loosing Jamal and the others in this kind of cowardly act may not be forgotten, but knowing that there were people like him keeps one’s hope intact. He couldn’t defend, protect, or die for them, so he chose to die with them. It is the highest form of heroic act that should never be forgotten.

  • Abel

    Thanks Zula,
    He is my hero.
    May he rest in peace.

  • አዲስ

    Hi Haile,

    Again to you and Semere,

    I am not justifying a crime. False accusation doesn’t lead to a discussion. So pick how you want to proceed.

    Thanks

  • senai

    Definitely a wrong assumption! Eritrean Politics teach us to reason for everything that happens to our people. It’s good to reason if you know the facts in hand; however, if you do not know the reasons for the cause, you jump in to assumptions. This article is a perfect example of that. Based on the interview of the 16 year old Eritrean, those brothers were killed for just being Christians. This has nothing to do with politics of Alshabab.

  • Dear Zula,
    Here is a man who shined in a moment of darkness, as his compatriots were about to lose their lives at the hands of barbarians, simply because they happened to be Christians. Humanity should celebrate his courage and his great heart. Jamal believed in a religion of peace and love. To him that was what it meant to be a Muslim. He chose to be martyred with his Christian brothers than live with the burden of saying or doing nothing, as they were being slaughtered like lambs. God bless his soul. Muslims & Christians are equally proud of him, and he will live in history.

  • ‘Gheteb

    An ‘Ethiopian Spring’ In The Wind?

    Greetings All,

    Recent events from Ethiopia must have really discombobulated some Ethiopians and their Eritrean fellow travelers who are otherwise aptly dubbed as Ethiophiles. This topsy turviness is evidenced by those who are profusely trying to rationalize and explain away the fact why many Ethiopians are fleeing their country. They are telling us that “Ethiopia is poor” as if Eritrea’s poverty was not a good explanation for its youth to leave their country. No, we were repeatedly told, nay, we were exhorted ad nauseam, that there is something awfully amiss with the very Eritrean body politic and hence why the en masse youth exodus from Eritrea.

    When they realized that “Ethiopia is poor” explanation was neither gaining currency nor getting any traction, they reverted to the hoary Abyssinian bragging point of the military strength and prowess and how no other country in the Horn rivals Ethiopia in the military spheres. Of course, successive Ethiopian regimes have gone on a shopping spree for military hard wares. One can even asseverate that they are inured to this habit of spending gobs of money even before feeding their people. Haven’t famine been the recurring term associated with Ethiopia and has literally become synonymous with Ethiopia. I have to tell you that this obsession with military power and materiel is one of the linchpins of Abyssinian fundamentalism.

    But here is the huge antinomy that those Ethiopians who have been crowing and bragging about the much vaunted Ethiopian muscle seem not to discern or are willfully disregarding. The very poverty of Ethiopia is inextricably linked to the wantonly insatiable desire of acquiring military strength. The very lucre that is spent on military hard wares is the very same money taken away from feeding those hungry mouths. But in the bizarre world of Abyssinian fundamentalism there is this need that is deeply lodged in the deep recesses of every denizen’s psyche of the followers of Abyssinian fundamentalism. Now you see why almost all of the Ethiopian regimes unfailingly try to fulfill this desideratum of making Ethiopia great by military means.

    Well, ideological and psychological needs as demanded by Abyssinian fundamentalism is one thing and the material/political needs of the Ethiopian masses is quite another. Nothing exemplifies and captures the ‘Ethiopian political reality’ to a tee like what has transpired in Meskel Square in Addis Ababa. A government organized demonstration turned against the very government that organized it. What was intended as an event to vent off anger against ISIL turned into a purely unadulterated venue for the Ethiopian masses to show their visceral disgust and detestation against the brutal regime that has virtually kept them under its boots. What the Weyane leaders ears hoped to hear about slogans of denunciation against ISIL, turned instead into a full blown fulmination of the Weyane regime. Well, true to form, the ruling regime unleashed its forces of oppression to disperse the Ethiopian throngs by utilizing its means of oppression, batons and tear gases.

    The recent demonstration in Addis doesn’t bode well for the weyane led Ethiopian government. Given the right space to express their genuine desire, the Ethiopian masses would have asked for nothing less than the removal of the current Weyane-led Ethiopian regime from the helms of power and bringing those who have so far been the source of their immiseration and brought before a court of law. The recent event further portends that the Weyanes can only govern Ethiopia without the consent of the Ethiopian masses through brute force. Otherwise, it would have allowed the Ethiopian masses to congregate freely in Meskel square, but instead it opted to disperse the demonstration forcibly. That in and by itself affirms the fact that the Ethiopian regime that is lording over Ethiopia is neither popular nor legitimate. Had it been so, it would have never resorted to brutally and forcefully repress it.

    That the auguries for the Weyane-led Ethiopian regime are really bad are written all over the walls. Unless one is purblind, one can never miss the telltale signs of the impending demise of the TPLF led regime in Ethiopia. Even if we were going to ask an old lady who practices fortunetelling using cowrie shells (ዛዕጎል) would indubitably predict that the Wayane days as rulers of Ethiopia is numbered. Imagine what those throng of Ethiopian demonstrators would have done had they been allowed to freely congregate in Meskel Square. I am more than certain that we would have witnessed Tahrir Square redux in the very heart of Addis Ababa in Meskel Square. That was what all the beatings by the batons and tear gases were used to forestall and abort aborning Tahrir Square in Addis Ababa’s Meskel Square.
    The fact is that the ogre that is lording over Ethiopia, the Weyane regime, is moribund, nay, in extremis only kept alive by a life supporting system of unstinting foreign aid from its Western patrons and by a poltico-diplomatic covers given by self-same Western powers. Left to its own devices, the Weyane regime would die and bite the dust in a trice. And, the Ethiopian masses would dump the Weyanes in the scrap heap of history even in a flash.

    • Kaddis

      Gheteb hoy,

      I doubt you have said anything new. Your point: given the chance the people will overthrow the regime in Addis using city protest. right? Isn’t that true in every nation? Occupy Wall street ? Greece, Spain a year or
      two ago? Russia – Ukraine? If left to grow – they will shake every government on earth. Is it right?

      The good news is Woyane is too smart to let these things happen. It has been tried in 2005, Awoliya led Islamic movement, the students here and there, oppositions…

      You know – if people are exposed to a bad preacher and nasty politicians ( Madrasssa or Church included ) you will find a good percent of them agitated to do what was preached. In Ethiopia – there are politicians who
      believes change comes only from mass riot. They idolize the 1974 revolution. We have a classy journalist Meazaa Biru (search Sheger FM Chewata Programme ) weekly programme to prove it. These group of people have followers. They use every opportunity to bring down the government Tahrir square style. No data here to say 3-5 million Addis resident support every passing demonstration to become a revolution.. And it does not mean they are right.
      The government knows it and use its maximum force to stop it. The fight continues …

    • Hayat Adem

      Nice Try Gheteb, but…
      1) Migration/refugee/asylum rates can be measured in their time-trend absolute numbers or against their base population. According to numbers from UNHCR (as of July 2014), Ethiopia has 125k out-bound migrants (refugees, asylum seekers etc). In the same period, Eritrea’s out-bound migration stands at 357k (three times larger than that of Ethiopia).

      2) In the same UNHCR data and period Ethiopia received 590k in-bound migrants. The net balance is negative, that this country hosted four times larger in-comning guests than losing its own population as refugees; where us Eritrea received only 3k which means it losing 100 times larger than receiving.

      3) It becomes starkly telling when this is weighed against the base population, which is important because bigger population countries would not worry about out-bound migration as much as small-population countries. Ethiopia doesn’t not have more than 0.1% out-bound migration while Eritrea’s counts 6% of its total population. Consider the fact that these 6% is young, male and mostly highlander. It is catastrophic trend. http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e483986&submit=GO

      4) On military expenditure, the Ethiopians have been very smart and all data show their expenditure maximum increase was during the 1998-2000 war which rose to 6-7% of their GDP. After the war they kept their military expenditure below 2%. Eritrea’s military expenditure has been bizarrely out of a healthy balance at all time. In 1999 it hit 37% and as recent as 2003, it didn’t go below 20% of its GDP. High expenditure is bad for the economy and doesn’t always guarantee military strength and that is why Ethiopia still achieved a respectable military prowess ranks while maintaining healthy economic and fiscal balance, while Eritrea remained unkown in its economic status and militarily toothless compared to Ethiopia. (data from Stockholm International peace Institute http://milexdata.sipri.org/result.php4

      5) Regarding the oppressive nature of the Weyane system, I don’t listen to hypocrites. You are not the one who should talk about it. if you endorse it at home, why would you be irritated to see it in a neighboring land? I would have been willing to listen to you if you would have the same gut to criticize the worse system of the PFDJ at home which you proudly endorse and jelously protect. In Ethiopia- The fact that there are independent media and journalists however rough operating environment they are in; the fact there are elections however not on a leveled playing field they are happening; the fact that there are competing political parties however suffering from lack of equal footing; the fact that demonstrations are conducted however less peaceful they turned…all these are big allowances and realities for us to keep envying them as Eritreans not belittling them.

      6) Is Weyane on its last breath? All PFDJites believe their renaissance is tied up with the demise of Weyane. They’ve put all their eggs in that wishful basket. PIA once said, Weyane is at the 11th hour, 59th minute and 59th second or microsecond, whatever. I think that was in 2005. He must have been using a different time scale as we counted a decade since he had said sot. PMMZ was asked to reflect on that particular utterance of PIA. “Why would the Shaebia leaders say that?” was the question asked by the journalist. PMMZ, as smart as he ialways was didn’t want to try to analyse that PIA’s line and he only had to the this: “well, what is there to say to this! If they believe in that, that means they believe in that. If they are simply saying that for the sake of saying it, they are saying it for that sake and that is what it gives sense to them.” But start in 2005, every year has passed weakening the PFDJ and strengthening the Weyane. PFDJ had a better chance of shinning and winning by doing good in its own country for its people than dreaming to maximize its chances by wishing the death of Weyane turning to ጥንቆላ ዛዕጐል. The years of crushing Weyane through YikaAlo, and then Warsay has vapored away. Now it is time to try other things like ዛዕጐል:) Oh…may we live in interesting times!!!

      7) It is good and healthy Addis residents are keeping the Weyane on its toes; and its good the Weyane is working its a– to win their support and earn its popularity. That a healthy unhealthy relationship between governors and citizens. That is how all the big things are being done in Ethiopia and anywhere else. It is bad when you give a blank check support like we did to EPLF/PFDJ. PFDJ developed a mind of entitlement of that kind of support all the time regardless of its bad performance. They still expect us to support them when they drag us to wars we couldn’t and wouldn’t win, when they kill us, when they enslave us, when they push us out, when they shoot us from the back, when they chock the entire nation by the neck, when they stash the national treasure in Swiss caves…they developed a bad entitlement syndrome and we are paying for that.

      8) Gheteb, this is my most important message to you: every time you write something, you are provoking me to hit you and the PFDJ back and I’m hitting you back bad. Stop provoking me.
      Hayat

      • Amde

        No Hayat

        I love this kind of data heavy refutal. I insist he keep provoking you to give you opportunity to shine.

        Amde

        • Hope

          Ato Amde and Weizerit Hayat:
          Let me spoil for few seconds here:

          1)Migration:
          -It never started with Eritrea and it will never end up with Eritrea
          -The Data is biased and NOT accurate but cut and paste of here-says
          -No body denied the migration issue but is acting as if we do not know about it and is trying to convince us with Data,that she only knows about???.
          -Hayat as usual,shyed away from the real Data about the Ethiopian — Refugees figure by limiting it to only 3K that came to Eritrea but did not provide her source.

          -She deliberately omitted the 50K per month Ethiopian migration to Saudi Arabia,and she never mentioned about those,who cross to Yemen every day.

          -She deliberately ignored the ” Pseudo -Eritrean Refugees in thousands crossing the Sinai and the Mediterranean Sea in the name of Eritrea and she did not bother to mention the Ethiopian Journalist,who testified saying:”In Libya,all of us were Eritreans”..

          -She did not care about the fake Refugee numbers in the tigray Camps,where the number is exponentially trippled besides bringing in the Tigreyans to the Tigray Camps in the name of Eri Refugees,for obvious reasons.

          2)The Root Causes of Refugees/Migration:

          -In the world of Hayat et al,the only cause is the PFDJ.
          -She has never dared to blame the open conspiracies,the Sanctions,the NO WAR NO Peace Policy,the open and public threats by the Eritrean Enemies,the Wikileaks,the unfair EU Policy towards/”FOR” Eritreans to have an automatic approval for asylum,fully knowing that this Policy has been abused NOT only by the Pseudo-Eritrean Ethiopians,mainly Tegarus, but by the Sudanese,the West Africans,Arabs, and even from Far East,etc.

          -She did not care to mention the Open Destructive Policy of Brain /Youth Drain by the CIA,which has been a century old modus operandus in destroying Independent Nations of the world that they do not like to exist.
          -She did not want to show us the factual data of the wikleaks and the direct role of the ex-US Amb,who openly declared his direct involvement in the business of pushing out the Eri Youth–not to mention his” generous visas of more than 10K ” for Eritreans through kenya,where in fact,were used by Tigreyans,for the most part!

          3)Military Budget:
          -No clue why she commented on this and bragging about the Military expenditure and comparing the Apples with Oranges.

          -How does she know about the accuracy of the budget,specially that of Eritrea with no Official Budget?

          -Does she know how much the Ethiopian Gov is investing with the sanctioned N Korean gov–and with full knowledge of the CIA?

          -For God’s sake,isn’t she a de facto part and parcel of the Sanction Committee against Eritrea,that Eritrea cannot even buy spare parts for her old Tanks and Air Force?

          -For God’s sake,what does she expect Eritrea to do ,when she is encircled by enemies left and right?
          She is just a naive hypocrite,to say the least.

          Weizerit Hayat:
          The old and obsolete Psycho-Warfare tactics against Eritrea and Eritreans has failed miserably, and it is time to change the modus operandi…
          Time to call a spade,a spade ,abide by the International Norms and Laws , compromise and work for Peace..and Economic Integration.

      • Semere Andom

        Hayat:
        If PFDJ allows demonstration and then the people clash with the people and see some beating like we did in Addis, it will be a quantum leap for Eritrea

        • ‘Gheteb

          Cuz Semere,

          You still can’t deny the fact that the Ethiopian masses turned their IRE not against what the demonstration was supposed to be. The main purpose was to condemn the ISIL, but what the Ethio masses showed to the whole world the simple fact they, first and foremost, condemn the force that is brutally keeping them under its boots. That is the Weyane force. Don’t deny this stark reality, Cuz Semere.

          You need to forget about PFDJ as it is not ruling Ethiopia and please cease and desist from making apples to oranges comparisons.

          What is it with you, Cuz Semere? Do you go to bed blaming the PFDJ for everything and wake up to utter the very same words you were saying just before you hit the sacks?

          • Hayat Adem

            Gheteb,
            I go to bed everyday blaming PFDJ. Two months ago there were 13 kids shot on their back while trying to make it to Sudan. There was a guy with a name Gud who was telling the samething you are telling us now. You can blame PFDJ all your life and yet you haven’t blamed them enough. In 2005 in Ethiopia, there was a competitive election that turned ugly towards the end. It was a bad crisis that left about 200 people dead, feew policemen among them. It was bad but did the Ethiopians survive that? I would say, yes. They have seen so many beautiful projects afterwards. They have rail lines stretching west-east. They have built 5-10 mega sugar factories. Addis will enjoy rail service soon. You have GERD midway. They recently declared food self sufficiency. Their national election is being conducted for the 2nd time. They have a different PM from another partner party and another nationality. What did PFDJ did since 2005. Eritrea must have produced more than 100k refugees considering the monthly average rate. Eritrea has pocketed sanction after sanction. PFDJ might have evacuated out some money to Swiss banks as well. It tried to open a Somalia front against Weyane. And where is Dhaher Aweys now? Djibouti is opening a new exclusive line and port for Ethiopia, As if Djibouti has not been eating our lunch, the opening of such port is a strategic loss to Eritrean long term interests. Give me one lame reason that helps me not to remember PFDJ while going to my bed head down. Not one good reason, just one lame excuse. PFDJ has been the mother and face of shame. It only takes becoming of PFDJ not to be able to see this fact.
            Hayat

          • Hayat Adem

            Gheteb,
            These two Eritrean are the products of PFDJ. There will be nothing I don’t blame on PFDJ. Their mockery and laughter comes only from the ugly PFDJ only. read it:

            Human Trafickers Mered Medhanie and Ermias Ghermay made £72 Million in Two Years

            http://eastafro.com/2015/04/22/human-trafickers-mered-medhanie-and-ermias-ghermay-made-72-million-in-two-years/

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Hayat:
            what is amazing is that some people like your friend from Dedebit, Nitricc beleive that that Eritrea’s future is bright. Eritrea’s darkest age is ahead of it. With this trend, Asmara will be like Kingston Jamaica with gangs and drugs and criminals, the legacy of IA and the Nitriccs and the Ted.
            This is really elementary stuff unless we are delusional. there is no urgency from the opposition nor from the intellectuals not from the society.

          • Semere Andom

            Cuz Gheteb:
            Come on now. You are obsessed with TPLF. Write about the crimes of PFDJ. Yes killing happened in 2005 and what did their PM say about it. Also do not forget massacre happed in 1994 when the war disabled were mowed by PFDJ, and what did DIA say?
            I am awaiting your next write up to be on PFDJ for change and fairness and freshness, This is a challenge. I hope you take it

          • S.Tesfa

            Dear Gheteb,
            Instead of worrying about your neighbors political and social problems, better concentrate on solution to the problems and suffering that are in our backyard/ house.
            Check this CNN report how the young generation are perishing on daily bases.
            Let’s stand together to liberate our people from the untold sufferings they experience day in day out. Invest our time on Eritrea- Not Ethiopia.
            Diversion and distraction is one of the game plan of PFDJ !!
            BELOW IS
            Migrants forced to swap oppression at home for deadly journey abroad
            Ali Addeh refugee camp, Djibouti (CNN)

            http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/24/africa/migrants-flee-eritrea-elbagir/index.html

            BR

          • sara

            Dear Tesaf
            you sound someone who just arrived at the train station, are you for real. most eris are fighting a two pronged cyber war of attrition, one against ethios/weyane and the other i leave it for you to guess.

    • ‘Gheteb

      Look Who Is Talking. The Concocter Of Adam’s Life Kool Aid.
      The one sure thing that induces a headache ,nay, a migraine and triggers an instantaneous knee-jerk reaction from the Concocter of Adam’s Life Kool Aid is the mere mention of te fact that all is not well in Weyane-land. I guess this utterly interferes with the subterfuge that this Concocter of Adam’s Life Kool Aid is trying to sell literally by trying to pull wools over our discerning and keen eyes. Here are how the ingredients are mixed in the formulation of Adam’s Life Kool Aid:
      1) A heavy dose of anti-Eritreanism ( anti-PFDJ and anything Eritrean) compiled from any source and regardless of its origin. I mean almost 99% of it is artificially factitious.
      2) A hefty dose of Weyanism ( Ethiopia under TPLF) with all the concomitant denials that tries to absolve it from any and all responsibilities and shift all its shortcomings either to the EPLF or Eritrea
      (a) Blame the EPLF for the 100k famine victims of Tigray in the late 80s.
      (b) Blame Eritrea for mistreating Ethiopians in the early 90s.
      [ The main purpose of these ingredients is to induce an immense sense of GUILT among Eritreans and thereby making them amenable to the ideas to the ideas/agenda of Eritrean being re-annexed by Ethiopia]
      3) A dollop of Abyssinian fundamentalism. This ingredient is added on top of Adam’s Life Kool Aid as sprinkles and comes in colors red, yellow and green.
      Adam’s Kool Aid is like a tripod with three legs. Leg A, B, and C.
      Marketing strategy: The Concocter and purveyor of Adam’s Kool Aid lifted and taken the marketing strategy not from some Fortune 500 firms, but straight from the world of drug pushers and sellers. It is a very simple strategy. Sell your product by hook or by crook and deploy a heft amount of violence and violence-laden words to sell your products and to subdue and drive out of the market your competitors products.
      Here are some of the buzzwords that are utilized by the Concocter of the Kool Aid brand named Adam’s Life:
      1) I am going to HIT you hard.
      2) You are going to end up with a bloody nose
      3) There will be bruises all over your body
      4) After I hit you, the path you tread will be reddened with your blood
      5) Freeze ! Freeze! Freeze! Don’t move
      6) I am going to shatter your feathery arguments
      7) etc. etc…..
      Soon, I will be writing about a new product that The Concocter Of Adam’s Life is planning to put on the market. This product is going to be different than Adam’s Life only in one aspect. It will be coming your way soon. So, stay tuned.

  • Semere Andom

    It is Ethiopia’s Game to Loose: A memo from a neighboring Citizen
    Over a decade ago an Eritrean Canadian wrote a book entitled “Abyssinia Shall Rise.” He is in hard times now and the Eritrean sensibility in me mandates that he should not be criticized, but suffice is to say he was a prolific writer, and when Malta deported Eritreans he wrote a piece that was carried on one of Maltase papers. He advocated for the deportation of Eritrean “Jeberties” and “Bejuke”. He also wrote that he had a brush with Bin Laden when the later was unknown and he was mortified when he found Bin Landen’s business card during the tumultuous post 911 days. He predicted to outcome of the border war and he was bullied for it. He was undeterred.
    The jury is still out whether Abyssinia shall rise, but it has definitely taken itself out of the life support, it is breathing healthily and its resurrection seems to be assured but is contingent upon tackling its diversity, showcasing its beauty, harnessing its wealth so equitable opportunist are rendered to all, leaving Ethiopians alone to coax their God given brain to solve the contemporary problems that it will encounter. Watching its diversity like a hawk to remedy bottlenecks of repression is paramount to its rising. Also it has to move away from its propensity to showcase Ethiopia as a solely “Habesha” country. If she does the above, the TPDMs will be defeated without firing a bullet. To be brutally honesty about it, it is now ruled by “Habesha” for all intents of purposes. Terrorism is a big threat to it, not withstanding the threat that is inherent from PFDJ to destabilize it. It has to be merciless to punishing lest homegrown IS emerges, if it has fight it in Libya so bit it, If it has to fight it in Eritrea so be it.
    Ethiopia’s task is huge: not sitting on its laurels when it comes diversity to make sure that all feel respected and share in what it offers, minding its security from the IS, AlShebab and the likes. But it has to also deal with Eritrea, not to make it a failed state, but to help its people to be viable, stable, that means investments in different areas, Ethiopia cannot succeed alone, and it should not attempt to succeed alone. Our destinies and histories are irrevocably interwoven in the complex tapestry of the last 70 years.
    After Ethiopia’s colossal blunder that border on hate during the war of 1998, it has apologized and made commendable to heal that wound by allowing Eritreans to be protected and even attend school there, but that is not enough. This is not entitlement, but investing in the future relation for enduring peace and trust. But if it ignores Eritrea to and allows it to slip to chaos and solely obsess on internal issues by thinking shallowly what is in it for us immediately it is akin to immediate gratification and both people will pay for it. Ethiopia has limited resources and it may not want to spread thin, but tackling and investing in Eritrea with vision by steering away from the revenge and hate mongering elements that emerged during the war will pay huge dividends for peace and instability and there Mo Ibrahim award to be had if not a Noble Prize for an Ethiopian leader.
    The early signs of its destiny to be a regional super power has been sealed when the Pharaoh capitulated and Al-Murghani said “maElesh”.

    • Ted

      Semere, You lost it in so many level. Go to bed.

    • sarah ogbay

      Dear Semere,
      Frank and forward looking. Thank you.

    • አዲስ

      Hi Semere,

      “After Ethiopia’s colossal blunder that border on hate during the war of 1998, it has apologized… ” WEY GUD!!! As an Ethiopian, it’s just hard sometimes to discuss with SOME eritreans. I found you in that category here.

      Thanks.

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Addis:
        Like wise, I am having problems with some Ethiopian’s who deny that fact. PMZ regretted it and he said it was done in the heat of the moment. I want the PFDJ spies to be deported but you are denying that that most of them were innocent people. It was hate, jealousy and vindictive. Anyone with humanity left in him must admit that. Ethiopia provide the opportunities but Eritrean worked hard for it. Ted stupid remark of “it takes a genius to milk…” does not represent us. Ethiopia as a country did not benefit from the looting and suffering, it just tarnished its reputation. Those wealthy Eritreans whose property was stolen helped Ethiopia more then Eritrean even during the armed struggle.
        It is those who do not speak the truth and admit the mistakes that will be the downfall of both nations if they manage to come to power and that is always a risk

        • አዲስ

          Hi Semere,

          Should I mention what your country did to my Ethiopians on 1991 with no war between the two countries? That’s what I call hate. Do I condone what happened to the innocent Eritreans on 1998? NO. Was it just Ethiopia that was doing it ? NO. Quoting PMZ won’t justify the case. He also said a country at war can deport anyone if it believes it’s a threat to its security or something to that effect. Let’s not forget we were in the middle of war provoked by the mad man DIA. Let’s not also forget a significant amount of Eritreans in Ethiopia were a staunch supporter of DIA. They were very supportive of their government that they had the audacity to gather for fundraising for the war effort. Mind you they are collecting money to fight the country they live in.

          So Mr. Semere, let’s not talk things like they happened in vacuum. If you want to mention a certain part of history and accuse us of hate, try to be accurate at least.

          Thanks.

          • Abi

            Hi Addis
            Those ethiopians who were inhumanly deported from eritrea do not count. Because they are ” only” ethiopians . You can also call them ” adgi”
            They are less of a human being according of all eritreans except SGJ and Hayat Adem.
            Don’t expect Sem to acknowledge them. He never did before.
            You mentioned Eritreans fund raising for the war. That is ok. What makes me still angry to this day is the fact that they were armed while living with us. They were armed before the border war.
            They had cells everywhere. Attended meetings every week in a group of 5 to 7people in a cell.
            They really considered as cows.
            Imagine sitting in a meeting or a bar next to an eritrean who is armed. What do you feel? I felt sick.

          • Dayphi

            selamta wendmotch
            I am not here asking the wisdom, justification, or legality of the deportation.I just want to know howmany Eritreans were deported anyways? what %
            does that figure constitute of the total number of Eritreans who were living in peace, free of SAWA enslavement, and forced co scription.
            We sometimes do t appreciate the bounties we are bestowed by Allah until we lose it. May the face of The Haider be honoured who said, اِنْ كُنْتَ فى نِعمةٍ فارْعَها، فانّ المعاصِيَ تُزيلُ النِعَمْ ـــــــــــــــــــــ
            فاِنْ تُعْطِ نفْسَكَ اَمالَها ، فعِندَ مُناها يَحُلُّ الندَمْ………… Freely translated…IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN ABUNDANCE, WATCH IT…….On the other hand, Disobedience Remo es the grace…………IF YOU PROVIDE YOUR SELF ALL IT’S INCLINATIONS, In its desires remorse will surface… I know, 0thers can translate it with b etter English.

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Both Abi and Addis;
            The comment was about Ethiopia and not Eritrea. This commenter doed not condone or deny the criminality of PFDJ against your people.
            Abi, if you want to call them Adgi, it is your call, no one called them that in my comment.
            If you want to count the suffering by suffering, wound by wound who inflicted more suffering to who you have no case. Even what PFDJ did to your people pale to what your leaders did to my people to my people, so guys do not go there, read the gist of the comment. Your genocide against my people are documents rom Ona to Massawa. I di did not mention those because but I did the 1998 war to highlight how the current Ethio gov tried to rectify that, it was supposed to be a positive note

          • Abi

            Sem
            I am more disappointed by you now than ever before. You said a lot from ona to massawa . What I asked was your acknowledgement of their inhuman deportation. Why it is not clear for you?
            You acknowledge or don’t. One word answer is all I’m looking for not a page of nonsense.

          • Semere Andom

            Abi:
            You are not a fun of Nitricc but you pull a Nitric. You are pained more by the deportation than the suffering of a children in Ona, and Massaw. I am not aware of the deportation in 1991, if I am not aware of it I cannot talk about it
            Abi, you have to be ashamed, your country is known for bombing civilians and, children, note one time, but for years in the late 1970s. Not only that your country bombed Eriterean animals, camels and cows and goats, when peacefully crazing, note just one time, but for years.
            My country has never done that, yes PFDJ bombed the School in Mekele and I condemned it vigorously, fought about with Eritreans in this forum. You have not condemned the crimes I mentioned, I can have some respect for you, do not give me that often quoted line, “Ethiopians suffered under HS and Dergi too.” Say it after me Abi:
            I, Abi of Gonder, am ashamed that my country bombed civilians and children and even animals”

          • Abi

            Sem
            Very convenient!!!
            In 1991 you were not in eritrea so that you don’t know the atrocities and inhuman deportation of ethiopian citizens.
            However, you were in ona, massawa, in the grazing fields, everywhere and you know everything the king and derg did. You are omnipresent only when you want.
            Amazing!!!

          • Semere Andom

            Abi:
            Yes cus I saw videos of it, and I talked to survives. I here by declare you the Nitricc of Ethiopians. you and Addis cannot even take a compliment of your country without making Eritrea look bad at any cost.
            Here is a gift for your. Add all the crimes that Eritrea committed against you and that will pale, it is negligible ,a fraction to what your side did to my people.
            I take your word for it, the 1991 happened , I am trusting you on that and add that to Eritreas crimes.
            Your side is know for even not sparing camels because they were helping the freedom fighters. you are the last one to pontificate. Are we done. You just mad that I did not mention what Ertitrea did to you in that comment that was positive in Ethiopia, but like father like son you would erase all the crimes against my people.
            The 1991 and 1998 crimes against your people are second hand for your, you did not live it, but the crimes of Dergi I lived it. There are holocust deniers and there are Ethiopian crime deniers.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Semre,

            Again. I am not supporting or justifying any wrong doing to innocent people. So stop with the accusation. People here have discussed extensively about Ona and Massawa. I am not going there. I picked something you mentioned. I gave you a perspective. That doesn’t make me a supporter of crime.

            Thanks.

          • Ted

            Abi, the fake Gondere, Wasn’t your argument that Eritreans were deported for milking 90 million people with out impunity that you feel liberated afterwards. What has changed, you apt in guilty trip to come up with “adgi” and “They had cells everywhere”. Speaking of cells only TPLF thug like can know such kind of things possibly existed. In 1991, there were thousands of war prisoners in Eritrea, the same people who killed thousands innocent Eritreans from small villages to Massawa, by grace of Eritrean people, they were allowed to go free no one lifting a finger on them. It is the Eritrean thing we cherish deeply that your TPLF vindictive mind never come close to apprehend. But Semere’s twisted mind has a hard time understanding TPLF is inherently evil, incapable of transformation and we should thank you, you Abi,, for making it a little bit easier..

          • አዲስ

            Hi Abi,

            You think some people are level headed then boom they go all ‘Nitricc’ like you put it somewhere. At least you know where you stand and what you get with Nitricc all the time. This sweet coated rewriting of history is revolting to me.

            Thanks.

          • dawit

            Abi that is a big fabricated lies just like the myth how Eritrea became the largest exporter of coffee in Africa or how Eritrea took over half of ‘Ethiopian Airline asset. Unfortunately you believed such lies and danced to the drum bit of the border war. If you want to blame the presence of armed Eritreans, you can talk of the PFDJ liberation fighters who accompanied and protected TPLF to the Menelik Palace, and no one will deny those gallant liberators. Eritrean civilians in Ethiopia were never armed and I am sure you will not mentioned any name armed in your Kebele meetings. Trying to apportion crimes between Ethiopians and Eritreans will not lead the two people to peace, except perpetuating enmity.

          • Haile WM

            hi Adis,

            could you please elaborate on “Should I mention what your country did to my Ethiopians on 1991”,
            I expect a full explanation with documented facts, not the Abi kind of fantasies of people armed and doing secret cells type of bogus claims without any documentation.
            thank you

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Haile:
            PFDJ is capable and there are lots of crimes against Ethios. that is not the point The point is Abi and Addis both justify crimes and want to equate it. How we treated their war prisoners is documented, Ethiopia’s crimes from Ona to Weki-Duba to SheEb to Masswa are indelible, but these guys want to make it equal to what our criminals did to their people.
            In the 3000 years that they say they were a nation they only had handful leaders until their stars aligned in 1991 and things changed for them and now they want to justify the inhumanity by changing the subject. I was just saying the crimes against Eritrean in 1998 was unfortunate and to their credit their current government took responsibility and did some amends
            Wait, one of them will say oh, our leaders were equal killers. They are both more pained by Ted’s words of “it takes a genius to milk 90 million people” than by the suffering of the kids in Massawa, Ona and Howzen

          • አዲስ

            Hi Semere,

            You are all over the place. Gather your thoughts. Focus. Pick a century then we can discuss. Don’t try to confuse others by your own confusion.

            Thanks.

          • Semere Andom

            Addis:
            No, that is not correct. I was talking about 1998 and u wanted 1991 and I went to 1970, all in the same century . You exude the failed pride that got us here I am clear about this. I mentioned your government’s blunder in 1998 and how they did commendable to job on trying to fix it and you wanted me to mention 1991 and then I gave you all. You are not going to get all praises fro me so get used it and speak truth and acknowledge the crimes otherwise you will repeat it

          • አዲስ

            Semre,

            Again you are trying to confuse everybody here. There was an extensive debate here on the crimes committed by Ethiopian governments on Eritrean people and Ethiopian people. Some see it as it happened in equal proportion to the two people, some see it as a more deliberate crime on the Eritrean people. I don’t want to go there. You mentioned 1998 as if it happened in vacuum. You called it hate. I tried to show you what hate is which is 1991. You also failed to mention Eritrea’s deportation of Ethiopians in 1998 while talking about that war. So your picking and choosing of history doesn’t really help anybody here.

            Thanks.

          • Semere Andom

            Addis:
            From what I can glean from your exchange if it was sup to you , you would erase your heinous crimes in 1998 from history. My comment was about Ethiopia, what it did in the last 20 years and how, good and bad. I cannot mention in “vacuum” Eritrea also deported Ethiopian just to balance/spread the blame because I was not comparing both countries.
            And tell me who many Ethiopians who were deported tehir houses, their trucks was confiscated?
            I shudder the moment people like you come to power in Ethiopia , we will be in square one, you cannot even handle a compliment to your country if one doe not go out of his way to mention something bad about Erirtrea, scary

          • አዲስ

            Hi Semere,

            If what you get from what I said is to erase heinous crimes, then that’s my cue to move on from this fruitless discussion.
            As you were semere. As you were.

            Thanks.

          • አዲስ

            Hi Haile,

            I replied to you minutes before but disqus ate it somehow. The gist of it is:
            I have seen, talked to and heard the misery of people deported in 1991. I don’t really need any documentation to know that happened. Sometimes you guys forget this happened in our life time. So if you want to know about that part of your country’s vile story, do your homework. I am not here to provide you with any cause I have seen it with my own eyes.

            I ended my previous comment which got somehow lost somewhere in disqus with a question. Are you denying the 1991 deportation of Ethiopians from Eritrea?

            Thanks.

          • Abel

            His Addis,
            Don’t be surprised, some people still deny the holocaust.You will hardly find a person in this forum who dare publicly condemn the atrocities committed against innocent Ethiopian by both ELF and EPLF/HIGDEF , they are only able to recite the crimes committed by Ethiopia.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Addis and Abi,

            Can you please clarify what you said about Ethiopians deported in 1991? You said “Should I mention what your country did to my Ethiopians on 1991 with no war between the two countries?” I think Abinet also mention this many times. My question is:

            1) Where those deported Ethiopians from Eritrea, civilians Ethiopians (working and living in Eritrea peacefully)?

            2) Part of the Ethiopian military establishment, Ethiopian government administration?

            And in your opinion, if you please what should have happened specially to the second group?

            Thanks,
            Berhe

    • hope

      “Dear” Sem,
      Dishonesty at its BEST and/or HYPOCRISY at its WORST?
      So,you believe that what Ethiopia or the TPLF Gov has done to Eritrea thus far is” helpful”,”apologizing”,”ignoring Eritrea to slip into chaos”…..
      Is this Part and Parcel of Psycholgical Warfare you have been assigned to execute on us Eritreans?
      “helping Eritreans to attend College”(less than 0.001% of the 100K”–and being paid in USD by the UNHCR!
      But here are the facts, too,which you conveniently shyed away from:
      A)Refugees Issue:
      1)Mistreating and humuliating the Youth and making them victims of Human Trafficking-directly,HIV,TB,Prostitution,imprisonment and even kllling them for expressing their concerns and not addressing their grievances directly ot the UNHCR–besides refusing access by the Eri Organizations includi8ng the EPDP!
      2)Stealing the ID of Eritreans and sending their own “refugees” to the selected Countries of the West(USA,Canada,Australia,Denmark,Norway,Sweden–FYI the number o fth eTigreyan Communiting is nearingthat of the Eritreans!)
      3)Recruting the Youth,who are legitimate Refugees, to fight aganst their own brothers
      4)Making a free income -more than 5-10 Million USD/yr in the name of Eritrean Refugees by doubling/trippling the number of the Refugees by bringing inh their own refugees–from the Tigray Villages..
      All the above are to execute the Open No War No Peace Policy backed up by illegal Sanctuons with a full support of the West along with the Puppet IGAD,as declared by th EVIL PMMZ(RIP!),who set up the Youth to flee Eritrea with a false promise but only to trap them and QUARANTINE them-in the words of the same TPLF Agents–so as to weaken Eritrea and to let it “Collapse” without wasting a single Bullet!
      The worst Hypocrisy:
      You never even cared talking about this ,let alone to denounce it!
      B)The Open Deadly Policy of the same TPLF Gov you are advocating:
      -The set ups, the made up stories,etc-to impose the crippling sanctions on Eritrea and its people-as part and parcel of weakening Eritrea and Eritreans–thereby:
      – To directly threat,bully,harrass and bomb the Civilians
      -Create,fund,etc–Opposition groups based on Region,Religion,Ethnicity,etc– but to manipulate and divide them so as to keep them weak and under control.
      With all due respect ,sir,consider the above few facts(the tip of the iceberg) and tel us about what ethiopia should od and shouold not do…
      Based on the above facts and your hypocrisy,who the heck is going to consider you as serious debator or Eritrean,for that matter?
      I wonder why Vet Mahmoud Saleh and Cousin Saay are wasting their precious time debating you!
      Now,take first your full doses of Lithium and Abilify before you respond to me!

      • Semere Andom

        Hope:
        I think you missed weeks of Prozac;
        On the sanction, I support it and I hope it continues until PFDJ is removed
        On why Mahmud an Sal debate me: the first finds me truthful and just want to smooth the rough ages when it comes to my take on EPLF, he agrees with almost all my take, the later he can ban me, but he has not and will not because I am a patriot advocating for the best interest of Eritrea, he just think his way is better
        The rest of your comment is just gibberish so I pass

        • Hope

          Ato Sem,
          Yes,”gibberish”,for your convenience as you do NOT want to anger your bosses in Dedebit.
          In the small and uniques world of Semere Andom:
          -The Wikileaks report is gibberish
          -the illegal sanctions are gibberish
          -the quarantining of Eri Youth and Teen Girls is gibberish
          -stealing the Eri identity is gibberish
          -Victimizing the Eri Youth to the Human Trafficking is gebberish
          –Bombing the Civilian Institutions is gibberish
          -The Eritrean Legitimate Struggle is gibberish
          -the Sacrifce and the success aginst all ODDs made by the Yikalos and miracle makers,aka, the EPLF Gallants is gibberish..
          —and even jeoparadizng the Eri National Security and Sovereignty is gibberish ,too!
          All these in the name of hating the EPLF and for the sake of appeasing the TPLF.
          Good luck to you!
          Make sure your PCP/MD adjust your Lithium and Abilify doses…before you kill someone.

    • Dayphi

      Merhaba Semere…….. What is the best adjective that you can come up to stick with the name of a person who openly advocates for the deportation of Eritrean Jeberties and
      Bejukes?

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Dayphi;
        I have many adjective for him

        • Dayphi

          mashallah Semere…very diplomatic….hahaha. what would be the best you can come up with though?

          • Semere Andom

            Hi Dayphi:
            I will quote my self;-)
            He is in hard times and my Eritrean sensibility “tahermeni” from saying”

          • Dayphi

            okay Semere akhuy…happy Friday…

  • Dis Donc

    Dear awate,
    Where are the wise men? What happened to them? Amanuel, SGJ, SAAY, Crocus, T. Kifle, Serray, Haile, etc. What happened to the cool heads? Since when this site had turned into this unsensored chat like? Where is the civility that was once a beacon on a hill of Eritrea? Good grief, man!!!!

    PS: Moderators, how can one turn in an article? Please advise on this matter….

    • Amde

      Hi Dis Donc

      Well this is how I see it. There is a tidal shift in the Eritrean body politic that change is necessary, and change is very much due. The question is now on the nature, depth and consequence of Ethiopian involvement in this change. Those who advocate for or indicate the inevitability of this involvement are in general the ones that are being vilified. The ones on the other side are fighting for survival of a dream to which they have vested a lot. And survival fights get nasty.

      Amde

      • Dis Donc

        Dear Amde,
        And fhe elefant in the room? I mean PFDJ? What dream are we talking here? By the way, do we know why the Ethios are trying to help out? Did Sudan volunteer too?

        • Amde

          Dis Donc

          It is not clear how much the Ethios are volunteering to help out. It can be argued convincingly the Ethios are fine with the status quo. For sure they will want a hand in whatever post Issayas arrangement comes about once he kicks the bucket.

          Most of the kicking is from the PFDJ romantic crowd, so I would say the PFDJ is well represented.

          Full disclosure: I am an Ethio.

          Amde

          • Dis Donc

            Amde,
            Well, you sound a reasonable hombre? o mujer?. So tell me, why would they want anything from the post mortem? And what do they want?

          • Amde

            Dis Donc

            Soy un hombre.

            Anyway, assuming when you say “they” you mean the Ethios, they want a neighbor who gives them zero problems. That’s my current understanding. But zero problems could mean various things to various people. It’s in the eye of the beholder. Could mean total subservience. Could be frosty indifference. Take your pick.

            Anyway, my take is the status quo is acceptable for the Ethiopian government and people. No more wars. (I don’t think its sustainable but who am i to judge…) The price for changing it is not worth the risk of the possible nasty outcomes. Paradoxically that makes the Ethiopian government a defacto partner of PFDJ. Ethiopia secures the southern Eritrean border, plus the no-war no-peace provides PFDJ the excuse it needs to do what it wants to Eritrea, the Eritrean state and most of all the Eritrean people. They are the ones getting screwed with the status quo.

            Hence the streetfight.

            Amde

          • Dis Donc

            Caballero
            No me digas!! Haber dicho eso, que maravillosa observacion. Entonces, porque son los eritrenes enfedades o enojados?

          • Amde

            Oh Senor Dis Donc

            No hablo espanol. Seriously that is the limit of my spanish knowledge. I am so sorry to disappoint you.

            Amde

          • Dis Donc

            Caballero,
            No importa ya! Thanks for the indulgence. But I asked, why are the Eris angry. I mean, seeing as it is, they do not seem to want to negotiate and I can’t imagine the Ethios wanting to negotiate, as they seem to be benefiting as you pointed it out. Or so it seems! In modern days politics there is no magic but negotiation and accomodation. And every power and country are doing it, I mean negotiating. However, if Eritreans do not want to netiate that desire need to be respected. Did they in any way indicate that? They = people of Eritrea.

          • Amde

            Well my friend Dis Donc

            Why are the Eris angry?

            That is the billion peso question. amigo mio.

            The answer is… it depends on the Eri!

            I have an uncle who always tells me not to try and solve a multi variable problem requiring partial derivatives with single variable algebra. So a wise man treads lightly.

            But lucky for you I am in a distinctly unwise mood so here we go….

            1. there is consensus status quo is notworking.
            2. Some say status quo is not working because of Ethios, so they focus their anger on ethios
            3. The rest who blame the current manifestation of PFDJ are divided into
            3A. End It – Dont Mend It camp
            3B. Mend It – Dont End it camp
            4. Both camps in essence believe the oppositions is not ready for prime time. So
            4A. If you are in the 3A camp some kind of modus vivendi with Ethios is inevitable so might as well bite the bullet and get on with the next chapter.
            4B If you are in the 3B camp Mending is crucial to keep the Ethios away.
            5. There is another camp who believe the Eri opposition out of the clutches of the Ethios is the only way to go. They believe they still have the time and opportunity. Their problem is that Eri Opposition has proven unwilling to combine and be effective. Most Eri opposition is posturing for the day after Isayyas is muerte.

            Bring the ethios in,
            Keep the Ethios out
            Bring the Ethios in
            Keep the Ethios out
            That’s what its all about…

            Hence the streetfighting.

            Amde

          • Ted

            Amde, What status quo? None of our problem is because of the direct action of the Ethios. You give too much credit to your Ethio.

            Do you know Ethiopia is where Eri Opposition go to die. You got wrong or missing variables for your algebra to be right.

          • Amde

            Ted,

            I always hear “Ethiopia is where Eri opposition goes to die”. Ok, what about the opposition not in Ethiopia?

            What do you say?

            Amde

          • Ted

            Amde, It all happened when the death of Eritrea Gov was believed to be eminent in Awasa by late PM Zenawi. No one came out it to tell the story. It is harder than you think to re-brand oneself. What we have here are unhinged riff rafs who still dream marching to Asmara on Weyane tank. Oromay.

          • Hayat Adem

            Hi Ted,
            What is it with you that you are positioning yourself as supplier of one lie after another and reappear with another one. You are the one who said about milking 90m cows and see how that is haunting us in our discussion with the Ethiopians. The other day, you said PMMZ said he only needed to establish refugee camps to as an alternative strategy and other pfdj soldiers came out repeating it as if it was true. And now, you are with this Ethiopia is no-go place or embrace death. I never saw you driving one point home. All I see is you jump from tree to tree, dropping dead leaves and infected fruits for the Nitriccs to scavenge on. Do you have at least one message you believe in and defend without running away and replacing with another bizarre message, that too be left and replaced by another even more bizarre. Are you monkey (didn’t say a monkey)?
            hayat

          • Dis Donc

            Well Caballero, Amde
            Enjoyed talking to you. However, it sounds like it is not high time for change yet, I mean in any sense. I will come back in a year time and see what happens then. BTW, being saying that for the past 15+ years. Like many other sites, that came and went, this site too is facing purges. Let’s also hope this site sticks around after the passing of this tide. Will be a shame if the opposite is to happen.

            You’ve all been wonderful!!!!

          • Shum

            Hey Dis Donc,

            When you return next year, are you going to re-introduce yourself again and tell us you’re neither Eritrean nor Ethiopian and tell us it’s neither here nor there, but mention it each time you return as if it is?

          • Saleh Johar

            Shum,

            I hope when he returns, he doesn’t mistake this for a Portuguese forum, this time he thought it was Spanish. But honestly, he is fun. He has a sense of humor though patronizing 🙂

          • Hope

            Kibur Ato Amde,
            BTW,
            Who are you to doctor us or prescribe for us the expired medications?
            No,thanks,we do not need your help but to be yourself and to stay out of our business…

          • Amde

            Dear Hope

            Description is not prescription

            Amde

  • Hope

    Mr Michael,
    And where do you stand? In between?Neutral? Fighter? Observer?

  • Abi

    Dear L T
    You just woke me up.
    You said losing weight is legal, Tegaru is gone but begging is available.
    Thank you. I was looking for these kind of jokes since Sunday.
    Long live the greatest philosopher LT.

  • Hope

    Super teacher ,Michael,
    Since you did not want to get a “genuine answer from pfdjites”,I would not expect you to respect my answer either,Mr Super “teacher”!
    Here is what I said:
    “The Baduma occupation has an implication,at least from the PFDJ’s arguement point of view,in a sense that, if that issue is settled,there is NO major excuse for the PFDJ to brag about this and that.”

    “My point:
    NOTonly that It (The Implementation of the Ratified Constitution)has nothing to do with Baduma,but implemneting the Ratified Constituiton could have solved the majority of our problems…and ,hence,you have to direct that question to Mr Yemane Ghebreab,whom I persoanlly challenged by asking the same question you asked me,which was also asked by a BRAVE Eritrean in Atlanta–where the clip was palyed here in this forum.
    But be remindful about the technical and psychological aspects ,and the perceived and real implications of the sanctions and the occupation of the Sovereign Land,not to mention the real and the perceived threats form outside,at least from the PFDJ point of view and its supporters,who are Eritreans.”
    Now,if you are an honest debator and an honest inquirer,please comment,challenge,or refute what I said.
    Of utmost importance,teach me Mr Super Teacher!
    My last question is NOT personal but a legitimate question that you and your likes should answer.

  • Semere Andom

    Hi Guest:
    I mean in both cases there are deniers of the facts. During the Ghedli the Ethiopian admin, which responsible for the havoc denied the strides that Ghedli was making, instead of facing the facts and solving the problem. Now the same thing is happening while Ethiopia is doing good, Ethiopia has never been this good in its history, some Eritreans are denying the facts, they predict its collapse the only way they can appear successful.

  • Hayat Adem

    Dear L.t,
    Please, lets continue this debriefing: what do people say about their leaders, say about PIA and PFDJ? What do they say about the ones that are imprisoned incommunicado? What do they say about their kids in the National Service? What do they say about the ones that sunk in the Med Sea?
    Hayat

  • Habtegiorgis ABRAHA

    Dear all,

    It’s very sad; they targeted Christianity – ‘The caption on the video described the victims as, “worshipers of the
    cross belonging to the hostile Ethiopian church.” ‘!

    My deepest condolences for the families of the victims!!!

  • Dayphi

    Merhaba L.T…..WOW! a family of husband,wife, and three children will consume at least 1 kg of meat per week. nkf. 1200 monthly expence just for meat. average monthly salary. and we havent mentioned the enjera, zeiti, chew ber bere that goes with water filled qetting tzebhi. 2 room geza rental, milk, egg, transportation to and from work, water and electricity bill, and still we havent listed ALL basic needs and expenses. If i say May God shower you with that kind of living, the kind you admired on your latest visit to Asmara, would it be a MIRRIQA or MERGEM? I will leav e the answer to you.

  • Nitricc

    Hi Ted, can you guess By looking at the data where our friend Semere belongs lol. I think he is from N-Korea. AT it is just for fun. i know toothless Semere doesn’t mind.

    http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

    • Ted

      Hi Nitricc, not N-Korea, He is more to S-Korea. you know geniuses are border line crazy;)
      For what it’s worth, we know where not to emulate greatness from:)

  • Hayat Adem

    Hi all,
    Nael Goitom, 16, saw everything the IS were doing. He watched them shooting at heads from a meter close. He watched them chopping off human heads from the body. Even cruelty has a class in the civilized world. These are something else.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/i-watched-isis-beheading-christians-eritrean-teen-migrant-forced-witness-libya-massacre-1497874

    • Semere Andom

      Hayat:
      This is terrible. When we thought the Rashaidas were done with us now IS is after us.
      Eritrea under PFDJ has its share of IS, and a few in this forum can be turned to one overnight given their cruel uttering before and they will kill both Eritreans and Ethiopians. IS can emerge from any society and many people like Alena have narrated the IS nature of PFDJ/EPLF before IS was born. It is not that any society is immune as some want to us to believe that civil war cannot happen in Eritrea because well we are Eritreans, but it is how we equip ourselves to purge such cruelty, to sharpen our tools with knowledge , compassion, laws and civility and even spirituality.
      The tools start her at awate, although lately it has been hijacked by the buddying ISs among us, it is important that the painful debates happen even the divisive ones , lest we repeat what the “intellectuals” in Ghedli lacked when they became rubber stamp of a buddying tyrant, with their dual personality, one for the Ivy towers and an other for the trenches of Sahel.

      • Hayat Adem

        Semere,
        No global evil comes to Ethiopia and spares Eritrea, and vice versa. These two peoples are in one ship, swimming or sinking together. The deserts don’t make distinction between Ethiopians and Eritreans. The seas don’t differentiate who voted “yes” or “no” in the referendum for independence. . The Rashaidas/ Bedouins don’t care about which faith the victim believes in as long as he fetches the dollars or provides his organ; The IS devils don’t bother as long as they find head to behead or shoot at. The fate is interwoven. We need to consciously work for the naturally destined solidarity of these peoples of the same boat.

      • Hope

        Sem:

        “Alena have narrated the IS nature of PFDJ/EPLF before IS was born”.

        “Eritrea under PFDJ has its share of IS”.

        Courtesy of Semere Andom:

        It would make a little sense if ” Leadership” or Secret Party”.
        Did you petition then to the UN Security Council that the PFDJ created the ISIS and it should be sanctioned with more rounds of Sanctions and should be targeted.
        I hope the weyanes will not endorse your petition and Investigative Report

        I wonder why you did not attempt to fight the “Creators” of the ISIS, in the first place.
        Based on history,if EPLF was given a chance,ISIS could not have existed,btw…..

        • Semere Andom

          Hope:
          I am telling you PFDJ/EPLF did what IS is doing now, beheading people, branding people with hot iron, executing people in mass, is that a nature of IS or not. I said nature, I did not say PFDJ/EPLF are the persons we call IS today. And dall in the name of independence/freedom. IS doing the same in the name of Islam

          • Hope

            Sem,
            What about this?Are they a brand of ISIS as well? aren’t they?

            “The 900 Refugees drowned in the Mediterranean Sea were killed by the British Gov Policy”!
            Courtesy of Dan Hodges:.The Telegraph..
            telegraph.co.uk

          • Semere Andom

            Hope:
            Who said they are IS, maybe PFDJ and those want to save it?
            please not pick a fight with saying stuff I did not say. I am telling you there is no difference between PFDJ and IS?????

          • Nitricc

            I am telling you this guy named Semere; he is nothing but a loose canon. He is claiming something he has idea for. We all know this coward never fired a bullet; never spent a day with EPLF; I take that back he spent a week in Sahil when he was 14 years old boy; that is that how he witnessed EPLF beheading people just like ISIS doing now.
            I have no idea how people can tell things like they were there to witnessed it all. Semere; take it easy; you have never been there and you have never witness EPLF doing what ISIS do. We all know Semere left Eritrea like a little you know what tacked his tile between his legs. So; why is claiming all this bogus claims?
            My question to this person is this where you there? Did you witness the action? Who is your source? I know you have nothing to lose; you are already a loser but can you have some respect to your readers and tell them what you have claimed.

          • Semere Andom

            Niitricc:
            Here is my sources; Alena, wrote a book
            Tesfay Temnewo, wrote a boo
            Yemane T/Gergish, series of interviews
            and many others Erirteans who like these I mention were freedom fighters and you Nitricc do not have access too
            All the interviews are in an Eritrean language called Tigriniya

          • Nitricc

            Hi Semere; first of all the people your mention had a grudge to settle so, for you to believe what they say; shows your immaturity and border line stupidity.
            When you say
            “ I am telling you PFDJ/EPLF did what IS is doing now, beheading people, branding people with hot iron, executing people in mass”
            When people say “ I am telling you” that is an eye witness account. It is your right to believe what ever you want but you can’t create your own facts and insult those brave sols who did something you never dreamed. It is obvious for every one to see that you suffer from some form of inferiority; something is missing in your life; only failed people try to bring down and degrade others success. For you to go all the way EPLF to compare it with ISIS; it says more about you than your stupid comparison. if you have any dignity in your stupid soul; apologize for the ridicules comment you made. I know you said it to earn a respect from your darling but still.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            Were there to say that these people have grudges?
            First you have no clue about Eritrea and its history, I speak about my country Eri with authority as you do with Ethiopia. if you feel I have pulled hyperbole you can ask the same you did yesterday about source and we can debate, but you ask for source and when given you call them they have grudges, do not be hopeless,

          • Nitricc

            Semere Really are you talking about the guy who defected from EPLF 1979 that took with him some money intended to buy food for Tegadelti? AKA “Mesharif”
            Are you talking about the guy who tried to change a stone in to gold with some magicians from Sudan?
            Are you talking about the guy who defected in Europe in the middle of it?
            I have no respect nor trust for defectors and stupid people.
            We can read and listen to what you have listened the only difference is you are stupid enough to believe it; you believe everything you hear and read; that is the difference.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            You have no proof of that except one source in the first case Adhanom and PFDJ lies for the second. The stories of 3 men most of it I heard from others who were tegadalti and never said it publicly, some of the stories were verbatim when these books mentioned them. That is how sources work.
            You are betting on PFDJ, I am not and when the time comes you will be proved wrong but you will never change your mind, I change my mind when facts change
            Are not you believing what Adhanom said, I did not believe what I heard before but when it is repeated verbatim 25 years later by people who never met, what do you say.

          • Nitricc

            Semere listen to your self; you are saying “I heard” I can’t expect you to understand the seriousness of defection because you never fought and you never stand for anything. I understand; but when you start with “I am telling you” and you bring defector’s account; I am sorry but you are exposing how dumb you are. How on earth would you compare ISIS to EPLF? By the way this comparison does it include to TPLF too? is TPLF = ISIS? go ahead say it.

          • Hayat Adem

            Nitricc,
            Does it help? I mean if Semere would say TPLF=IS, would it help him win your pardon on the former claim you are accusing him of? If no, why are asking him? Why do you have to pop-up yourself with a name of another front? Hayat

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            You are a robot. IS beheads EPLF beheaded. IS tortured EPLF tortured. I am not going to deny the heroes who fought there and left it not because they quit because they did not want to be part of their crimes. And if many of them did , we would be better off. But you do not give a flying fig about that so re.
            What do you know about my country Eritrea except from the lectures in YPFDJ and Sawa trips of hedonism
            No TPLF is not IS because they did not kill and torture because those who defected never accuse it so, they tell lots of corruption , miss management and embezzlement t and unethical practices but not torture and killing
            You are one confused creature , you say EPLF is hero and then you accuse heroes of defection, leaving for principle reason is not defection

          • Nitricc

            When I asked you for your sources; you respond by giving me those three people Here is my sources; Alena, Tesfay Temnewo, and Yemane T/Gergish. Then I gave you their resume and now you are changing your sources from those three people to Adhanom?
            Listen; I don’t what drives to say all the stupid things to say but just remember; there a tomorrow. People they will come to meet you and there is a day we all get together and then this stupid mouth of yours will leave in shame and regret. People will look at you and say things that will hurt you. it is your god given right to oppose PFDJ; do what ever you feel with them but to say EPLF=ISIS; that will come to hunt you. Mark my word. As much as you offended my sense of decency; I am stunned at your stupidity.

          • Semere Andom

            Nitricc:
            Lets do not go about brains, everyone here will vote that you are dumber than me.
            I believe when all is said and done that you will be ashamed of all your comments, and I will proud and I will proved right about EPLF. Let us leave it at that
            I wrote in your language, English, I did not change to Adhanom, you brought him as source. You have no proof about the resume of these people, it is just your YPFDJ and Sawa intoxicated dead cells talking
            Let me give you one prophetic line: there will not be IA statu in Eritrea and no matter how anguished you are to save PFDJ no one remember you, you will died and the most you will do it fertilize the plans with your well fed body, but the names of these heroes I mentioned as source will be in the lexicon of the 9 Eritrean languages. This is not “gura” as you guys say in Amharic, but a prophecy

          • Rahwa T

            Hi Nitricc,
            Let me help you here. The Source: Alenalki.com

          • Hope

            Listen Sem,
            Stop your obssession with the EPLF.
            Every and any Liberation Struggle has its ups and downs.No need to mention names—as history is the witness.
            Your hypocrisy is beyond borders.and beyond imagination.Since we have well written history books about the EPLF,the Miracle maker,,I am not going to invite the Vet Mahmouday to eat you up piece by piece.
            It seems that you love ELF and TPLF as well,,which have done similar atrocities.
            But here is ONE FACT you can’t ever turn down or deny..:
            The EPLF is the Champion of the champions of war on Terror.
            Were mistakes made?Absolutely.But who made those mistakes and for what purpose?You know it.
            Let us fight the makers of those terrors and atrocities,not the 99% EPLF Gallants—in the name of the Devilish Leaders of the EPRP Secret Party.
            Stop that madness and talk the real talk and shut off that coward mouth.
            If any gut or courage,walk the talk.
            Ya kezab nay kezaben wahid!
            OOps,apology Moderators.My bad…
            This guy called Semere Andom of unklown origin and of unclear goal or stand is making my busy day unproductive.

          • Semere Andom

            Hope:
            Did u take ur medication today?
            Ok, you can bring Mahmuday, read our exchange I beat him in that debate, it was not military 😉
            There is one terrorist organization and you know that and you are supporting them. Shut up or make sense with your grocery list comments

          • Hope

            Mr Sem,
            You beat who?By the Amhara style gurra you mean?
            I will never “shut up” until you shut up your coward mouth.
            Nop,never,I will never jeoparadise the National Security and Interest of Eritrea in the name of hating the PFDJ.

          • Semere Andom

            Hope:
            You l ready did jeopardize Eritea,

          • Hope

            Well call your buddies in Mekele to fix it then!

          • Semere Andom

            Hope:
            My advice is to take your prozac when you talk to me next time, because I will not allow your bull.

          • Hope

            Sem,
            You mayneed some high doses of Lithium.hoping your kidney function is OK!—Do NOT talk to me or mention Hope before you take your Lithium.OK!

          • Abi

            Hope nefse
            Why do I have to take antiacid after reading your comments?
            Can you help Mr high achiever from Gonder med. school.
            Thanks

          • hope

            Amara —-style gurra sile-alku new yehe hulu chuhet?
            Time will come when to show you Hope’s super achievement.It is NOT RIPE yet!
            I thought you slef-banned yourself?
            What are you doing here?

    • Amde

      Dear Hayat

      The link you provided of the testimony young Nael gave either does not add up, or the number of those killed is still much larger, and their deaths are just making their way through the ISIS video editing room.

      1. We are told 12 were beheaded by the Mediterranean sea, and 16 shot in the southern Libya desert.
      2. Nael says he witnesses both beheadings AND shootings.
      3. He also says he witnessed 47 forced to wear the black coveralls. Those who were shot wore black coveralls, but we only saw the death of 16.
      4. He says they put all Ethiopians and Eritreans in the same hole, but let all Somalis pass through.
      5. He says he met Eritrean and Ethiopian members of ISIS.

      Unless ISIS went to the trouble of transporting a new captive/convert to both ends of Libya, the most likely explanation is as follows. You are welcome to shoot this conjecture down.

      1. There are an unknown number of Ethiopian and Eritrean Christian captives still in ISIS hands.
      2. We only saw the killings of a small batch of this captive pool.
      3. More have been killed in a similar fashion. The only reason we have not heard about them or seen anything is because the propaganda footage based on their killing is either not ready or they are waiting for opportune time to release it.
      4. How would we react if the next horrible video is narrated in Amharic or Tigrinya by those Isis members he witnessed?

      Amde

  • Hayat Adem

    A letter to my great friend Semere:
    I feel like telling you the following today: there are people you respect for one or more qualities: for their good intentions, for their vast knowledge or good wisdom, or/and for their dependable character. Nothing comes close to the last one but any one of them is worth dictating respect from any of us. But there are people who are not any of those. Human beings who are devoid of at least one positive quality are bad human beings. A human being is not like a tree that you give it a minimum feed enough for survival and it gives you back 100%. I like trees more than anything else- complete presence, total stillness and zero judgement. A human being is not like a tree, not even like a non-human animal. Non-human animals do have only needs as opposed to wants. If those needs are met, no animal wants to bother you for the sake of bothering. But a human being is bothersome especially if it is a human being who has ill intention, bad character and little or no knowledge/wisdom is very lethal and toxic. Good intentions are more of in-built than acquired but I would say good characters are more learned than born. The interactive coordination of both human components (character and intention) makes the pile of knowledge/wisdom possible or hard. Let’s think of a person who is driven by bad intentions more often than not; and let’s think this person is very dishonest, liar, jealous, evil and the like. Almost all the time, the natural tendency of this person is to make everyone around him/her miserable. Curing such a person is a huge investment scheme, almost next to impossible. Ignoring him is as much difficult, too. Bribing him or her to comfort by satisfying his/her needs will always end up being a failure. You wish this person were a tree or a non-human animal but it is still a wish. If you are good, wise and driven by higher intentions, you don’t wish his or her death either, even if through a court process. For you, it is a no win situation. For that person, it doesn’t matter. It is not the end; it is the process that s/he enjoys: producing as much stress, pollution, littering, miser, unhappiness. Sometimes, you wish yourself were a tree in order to not know his existence; or you wish you were a non-human animal so that you don’t mind about his presence as much. That still is a wish that would never minimize your misery nor maximize an ounce of positivism to that piece of human being. S/he produces pains, you end up owning them and being impacted by them. Our fore-parents had not coined the following for no reason ዓሻ ጽቡቕ ኣሎ፣ ሓው ዓሻ ከፊእዎ ኣሎ።.So keep moving, endure. It is the only choice available.

    Hayat

    • Semere Andom

      Hayat:
      thank you but what did I do 😉

      • Hayat Adem

        Semere,
        You didn’t do anything:) But do not think something good can come out of people like Nitricc. No amount of hard work can make them good.

        • Semere Andom

          Hi Hayat:
          I agree, as per my note to Made, but sometimes I am a hopeless dreamer 😉

      • Nitricc

        Hi Semere I am disappointed with your darling; you deserve more. After what you have done for her? I tell you what people are mean your days. At every opportunity you kissed her you know where and that all you get from her? Sometimes; I wonder, do you just wait by the computer till she posts and within minutes; here you are agreeing in anything she have to say. Sir; you deserve better I am disappointed to the brim.

        • Semere Andom

          Dear Nitricc:
          I agree! You and I both deserve better, a better darling, she disappointed me and you, Nitricc deserve a better brain, so you can articulate the truth more lucidly, it disappointed you. it is refreshing we are agreeing. Sal will be proud of both of 😉

  • Nitricc

    Hi good people @ awate. Can anyone answer my question? I have been crucified for telling it as is and basically for telling the truth about the Eritrean youth fleeing their country. Considering all the crazy things going on; I have always believed any youth from any country in Africa should not flee hisher country. Not only I believe the future is in Africa but just out of dignity and self-worth that any youth should stay home and make a difference. I have stated my stand on Eritrean youth so there is no point mentioning it again; my stand is simple; stay home and make your country of that country you wish to migrate. I know many people on this forum make excuse for the fleeing Eritrean but for me, there is no excuse.
    Fine; let’s accept the excuse that is made often by the likes of Semere Andom to defend the fleeing youth; but I wonder what their excuse might be for the Ethiopian youth to flee? The likes of Semere told us that the Ethiopian economy is booming; life in Ethiopia is better than any country in Africa and list goes on but the equation remains why the Ethiopian youth is fleeing? There is no national military service. There is no dictator who rules with iron fist. There is election. There is constitution. There are plenty of University but still the question is remains why the Ethiopian youth are fleeing.
    In so many ways she is telling you they are leaving their country to the same reason of their Eritrean counterpart; tell it as it is;babe! She is telling what I have been telling you.
    I share this timely issue with you. the title is
    Don’t leave

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCXbhYUXaP0

    • Amde

      Nitricc,

      I love the band’s sound. Never seen or heard of them before. She’s great too. Thanks for the find.

      Amde
      PS. Yes the kids are leaving because Ethiopia is still poor. Plus there will always be some baseline of outmigration – you will be shocked at the number of Americans leaving the the US to live in various Central American nations (Costa Rica, Guatemala, etc… ). But the question is of what percentage of a population cohort is leaving.

      • Nitricc

        Hey Amde, I meant to post the response for Meron, so here it is judge for your self. i am 100% with Meron but listen to this too. just to be fair.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wgQIPvIaSE

      • Semere Andom

        Hi Amde
        I envy you for relentlessly helping Nitricc.
        Whenever you tell people like Nitricc Eritrea is poor they tell you live in Canada there are lots of people without access to medical doctor and living in poverty. You ask them you are a new comer how come you have access to a Dr and you are not living in poverty?
        The issue is about opportunities and also people’s drive to go and get them, no matter how rich the country is people have to go and get it and Ethiopia still is far from providing the equal opportunity to all. But unlike Nitricc’s Eritrea, Ethiopia, the vacationing place for Nitricc and the first country of dawit has averted disintegration, has impressed the world and unlike Nitricc;s Eritrea, Ethiopia does not disappear its founding fathers, it celebrates them even after they have severed their ties with it. Ethiopia does not erase the memory of its founding father like PFDJ did with Haile Durue. Both IA and Haile were dancing in an event after the later was imprisoned they removed the footage. Nitricc is mad and by mad I mean angry for his hopes have been crashed, so he wishes Ethiopia to have the same fate like Eritrea, his home has failed so he want his neighbour to fail too.
        Ethiopia is in the same predicament that the Eri Ghedli was, it is making impressive development like the Eri Ghedli was making 20 years after its launch but the blind people in the Ethiopian administration instead of learning it and solving the problem to avert bloodshed, they continued their destruction. Now it is all the same some Eritreans instead of asking what did we do wrong, and what did Ethiopia do right, they are still in that pride and we know who invented pride and what happened to him

        • Amde

          Hi Semere

          Please dont think of me as helping Nitricc. Lol I dont know why but I cant find it within me to dislike the young general. I see him as someone who has based his career ambitions on a horse that’s already left the barn. Namely, playing the military hegemony card against Ethiopia. That ship has sailed and he knows it and all he got left is defending the moribund PFDJ model. They say all generals fight the last war. Our young general is salivating to do so.

          When you think about it, why wont he be mad at you or Hayat? He knows his path has been superseded by events, and he has to lash out at whoever he thinks is an embodiment of that lost hegemony dream.

          Now, since he is so fascinated with teeth or lack thereof, (toothless this…. toothless that…) he should probably look into dentistry. I bet you he will change his tune just like that. There are a lot more pearly whites south of the Mereb. He can declare hegemony on abscesses cavities and whatnot. That will be a better career option for all our sake.

          Plus I am more and more convinced he is one of us Ethiopians. Haha.

          In this particular issue, I think everyone knows pretty well what the issues are. Ethiopians probably emigrate at a rate comparable to Sudanese or West Africans. Eritreans emigrate at a rate comparable to Syrians and Afghans. There is the common cause of poverty, and then there are the special causes of war and political dysfunction. Without mentioning the numbers and rates, Nitricc and Gheteb et al want to confuse the common causes and special causes. It might work in the age of preinternet but not today.

          Amde

          • Hayat Adem

            Amde,
            I think he is neither Ethiopian nor Eritrean. But it seems to me he believes he has to earn Eritreaness through a hard work: through supporting PFDJ, and he wants to earn the support of PFDJ through hating Ethiopia and he wants to achieve that through hating Tegaru, the hate of Tegaru through hating the Weyane…so cumbersome a path that is. News flash, Nitricc: you don’t need to do anything to be Eritrean. You see, how many mistakes you are making and making our lives miserable in the process? You don’t need to earn Eritreaness, much less to prove it to PFDJ, and much more less to hate Ethiopia to arrive at that. You can be Eritrean without doing anything. Go there, invest something, inspire the trainees in Sawa, go and worship the sleeping caves in Nakfa where Tegadalai Isaias used to be sleeping, erect a statue of sandal shoes over there and call it a life.

          • Nitricc

            Hi Amed; you make me laugh when you said the horse left the barn long ago. Lol I disagree. The horse is in the barn alive and well. The reason that made me laugh is that at one point; I was hooked with horse named seabiscuit. Somehow I used identify and attach my self to that horse. In case you don’t know what I am talking about; there was a racehorse 1930s named seabiscuit and did his thing; amazingly. When you mention horse and you got me in to it and some laugh.
            Amde; The horse is loading not just for Ethiopia and Ethiopia is fine as long as don’t attack but the whole picture is not right; something is wrong and somebody got to do something about it; at least die trying. Why are we, Africans poor? Why are we dying from preventable diseases? Why do we respect the westerners more than our own and think they are better than us? Why are we hungry with fertile land and abundance of water? Why do we suffer under greedy and corrupted leaders? The list goes on and all there is to it is; Why? Why? Why? we can’t even drink clean water?
            First is first; let the horse stay as straight as an arrow and be equipped on the barn.

    • Kim Hanna

      Selam Nittric,
      .
      Thanks for the link.
      .
      I think all of us including you have to answer the following question and problem honestly and in earnest.
      .
      Your youngest brother, 17 years old, want to come to the U.S. He just got the lottery visa. He told you his plan is to stay in the U.S after school.
      .
      Tell us, as you see it without equivocations, would you deny him his wish? State your answer to hm. If the answer is yes in this case, then it is a matter of degree of risks we are disapproving.
      .
      It is a real problem. I appreciate you for posing the question in the manner you did. Your friend, Gheteb, well, see how he put it 2 days ago and what my response was.
      .
      K.H

      • Nitricc

        Hi KH I am normally against someone leaving his country. But in this case; it is tough. For a fact that he is 17; a minor; many things needed to be considered and well analyzed decision is in order. If he was a day over 23 years old; I could have said; NO! But since he is a minor and if you say out right NO; he will hold it against you; so, you need to ask some questions.
        For instance; I will start with things needed to be asked and examine.

        ** What guarantee does he have to go to school in the USA?
        It is very hard those days for people to maintain a living while going to school. There are many obstacles for anyone even with great ambition to go to school but things forces them to change the venue and settle with what ever earn them a living.
        ** What is he intend to major?
        It is important he knows what to major. For instance; if he wants to be a medical doctor; I can not think any place better than Ethiopia and it is free. It is better to go Med-school in Ethiopia and if he wants; he can do his post Doc in the USA or wherever he wants too.
        Thanks to brain draining; he does have to approach them they will. If he goes Med-school in the USA; by the time he is done; he will be in for 150 to 250K depends which med-school he goes.
        Over all I will advice for any person to stay home but for 17 years old person who is coming legally; wants to go to school and coming safe? very though but if he was my brother; I will pay for everything stay home, go to school, open business, run for office, get married, have kids and live the life of dignity and the way meant life to be lived. If he does not listen then let him test it; personally the 21st century slavery!
        Just my take! And please join me to tell our brothers and sisters back home
        STAY AT HOME!

        • Kim Hanna

          Selam Nitricc,
          .
          You see how a difficult problem it is, even with a given minimum variables.
          You can imagine, that your brother won’t ask you the question until he has his (your) mother in his pocket. You loose the argument promptly.
          .
          I think there is an array of reasons and motivations for this problem. A simple factor, like the national service in Eritrea, which might contribute a little is not the full explanation.
          I appreciate you considering the difficulties of the situation we face.
          .
          K.H

          • Semere Andom

            Hi K.H:
            The issue is taking the risky trek, if you bro got the DV then he can come legally without risking his life, the point is not why Ethiopian choose live, it is why they choose Libya route while it is relatively good in Ethiopia and they can always live legally if the opportunities comes. In our case you have to be under 5 years old to live legally or you have to be the child of IA and high ranking PFDJ officials. In Eritrea most of the people choose the risky route after languishing for 20 years in the PFDJ slavery that Nitricc wants to keep,
            Nitricc is just worried about the competition for his livelihood, what he does any one can do, brute is required and not brain, just my take.

          • Kim Hanna

            Selam Semere Andom,
            .
            There is a varying degrees of risks every individual is willing to take. They may take these risks without good information too. Even those boarding planes to go to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar have heard of all the degradations, maltreatment and physical harm being dished out in those places. They still assess, take the risks, to help themselves and their families. My limited understanding is the reasons and motivations are a full spectrum including the ones you mentioned.
            .
            K.H

  • Haile WM

    Hi Ted,
    our country is poor and i am perfectly aware of that but i really doubt national service will make us a richer country. But what was the purpose of national service in first place ? Who decided about it ?
    how come a provisional government decided to affect the lives of big portion of the population without a popular mandate ? Shouldn’t be a matter of such importance discussed properly by an institution such as national assembly, parliament or national congress ?

    you see Ted in the list of national priorities creating a military institution such as national service, IMO, wouldn’t be the number one. we should have had a constitution, a legal framework, in which the national service would have worked. The constant abuses we witnessed such as women harassed by their superiors, youth exploited in private matters by the generals or simply the number of victims due to poor management or lack of medical assistance etc… would have being addressed properly and legally. Instead we have the current system where arbitrary management is the rule, everything depends on the whims of those in military power positions.

    on the other hand lack of job opportunities can’t be dealt with national service, first because the natural duration would be 18 months and after that the youth would be still looking for jobs and lead their life. Second because national service can’t give you the opportunity to earn and raise a family etc.. it’s national service not national employment .
    Our people are industrious and hard working, they would never expect PFDJ or the government provide them with jobs, one quick example is the eritreans all over the world, they are successful where ever they go, they just need the liberty to build their life and their families in peace.
    The PFDJ deliberately made it impossible to work in eritrea, import of goods is prohibited, having a licence is not permitted, construction is not allowed, etc.. and the motive behind this state of things is clear, everything must be under PFDJ, the economy, the social aspect, everything must be centralized because PFDJ is control freak modeled after it’s leader who is a control freak, who constantly is on guard for not loosing its grip on power. Everything else is a direct and indirect consequence of it.

    • Sarah Ogbay

      Mildly presented but Well said, dear Haile WM.

  • Sarah Ogbay

    Dear Hope,
    I know the list of the tragedies you have listed above. At this moment I am not sympathizing. I am angry. You do not know what I am doing as an individual and you don’t need to. So the ‘Sympathy alone is NOT enough but going an extra mile…’ does not work with me. Moreover, I am not going to blame myself as an individual citizen. My point is a organisation that calls itself a party and has a program and says it stands for the people of Eritrea should stand and be counted now. I am not talking about individuals like you and me. Every opposition party believes that they deserve to lead our country but they are forgetting that there are people in our country. Are they fighting PFDJ (as they claim to) for power or democracy?
    Most of all, my worries stem from ‘why is it that none of the 34-37 (at least till now) seems to be angry as I am about the tragedy happening to the people they are supposed to care and stand up for? One other thing you seem to have misunderstood is that I am talking about parties, parties that are standing in the way instead of paving the way to democracy. Not about individuals. Many individuals are working hard but it is the voice of a party (or parties) that make a difference in politics. The parties should ask individuals for contribution or any kind of assistance when they need it.

    • Hope

      Thanks Doc.
      We are on the same page and I did directly relayed the same questions you raised to the people and website I thought are more influential than me.
      I am fully aware of what you are doing and I admire and appreciate that as you are doing much better than most of us here.
      I respect and acknowledge that.Rest assured about that.

      I specifically challenged the EPDP people to keep what they have been doing–and try to do better by appealing,writing Letters ,etc…to the UN,UNHCR,the specific governments–but I thought that is NOT enough.
      But remember that they are short of resources…..and we should support those organized Parties rather than belittling them and their activity.
      I have to be honest that they are trying but we are NOT helping them as Citizens.

      The EPDP was given a DEAF ear about the Appeal it has been making to the EU,UN,UNHCR.etc—
      Personally,I believe that United and organized Citizens would do better than few inefficient parties but to have a United Citizens approach….
      In the USA,if the petition made by the US Citizens reaches a certain level,the White House responds seriously.
      My point is that we as Citizens are not doing enough either and parties are made up of us by Individual Citizens….and we are not even there.
      The EPDP has a well organized and crystal clear Program but it does NOT have enough popular support that it deserves.Why?
      It is coz of us, Citizens due to our indifference,silence, negligence.–boycotting,our back ward mentality of region,religion and ethnic based rotten politics.etc–
      The simple solution would have been a well organized and United Front of Citizens in a form of Civil Societies with a Strong Leadership….in collaboration with/of the existing organized parties.–,which we have failed miserably.

      But why have we failed though?
      FYI:
      Since you are asking for the names of those Parties,please feel free to contact the EPDP Leadership directly or write them directly- via harnet.org…
      The door is OPEN to join them and help them.