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Government in Exile: Eritrean Integrative Discourse

Over the last three decades Eritreans have tried to unify themselves by creating alliances or creating a new organization. Though some people may have not been considerate, no one can undermine the efforts done by Diaspora Eritreans. But there has been confusions on what our role should be on this endeavor. The divisions and aspirations are idealistic, but they needed pragmatic approach to be solved. Eritreans should work for unity by identifying their unifying purposes. After all, our main problem now is how to get unified. That is where Eritrean Government Peace Commission in Exile gets involved.

Greg Sartell on his how protests become successful social movements writes that, “throughout history, social movements –small groups that are loosely connected but united by a shared purpose have created transformational change.”

The Eritrean struggle for change, can only succeed if it solves the problems in an integrative approach. Awate team has initiated the EGiE project not only as a uniting agenda but as a measurable goal to bring Eritreans together. The EGiE is believed to be a means to achieve and aquire the aspirations of the Eritrean people. The question is, do the stakeholders: Social movements , the Media, Civic societies  and Religious leaders, political and the EGiE know their terms of references.

In his connecting the dots presentation Professor  Mohamed Beshir  illustrates the ideal scenery  of governmental roles on a concentri cirle diagram. The outer most of larger crust represents the people and their roles. 1) Peoples’ Movements, demonstrations, elections, etc. The area (donut) between each consecutive concentric line defines the terms of references or for each sector to play in the government. 2) Media, Civic, religious, advocacy, trade, think-tank, etc., 3) Political Parties: Two or more parties, 4) Governing Body: Ruling/elected political officials, 5) Government: Public

That means one can not serve as civic and act individual at the same time or you can not be a media and civic at the same time. “No dual citizenship”.  Not knowing our roles  in the struggle  has been one of the setbacks  for the opposition. Now, to make the struggle successful, the integrative goal should be to set EGIE as priority.

Eritrea is at a crucial time, people should take a risk to trust each other in unity for the sake of other people. ንክንሰማማዕ ንሰማማዕ!!   The writer suggests an integrative approach to close the gap between Eritrean organizations and politicians.

Integrative reconciliation is relational cross-links representing new relationships between new concepts and existing conceptual structure. Thus, integrating new concepts entails reconciling new information with the old information.  An integrative approach to building participation involves several steps: Linking an organization’s participation-building activities to its core values and purpose by choosing participation goals that support that purpose. Integrative thinking is the ability to face constructively the tension of opposing ideas. And, instead of choosing one at the expense of the other, generate a creative resolution of the tension in the form of a new idea that contains elements of the opposing ideas but superior to each. An integrative discourse does not offer specific recipes or mandates for action, but instead opens spaces for new inquiries and new ways. The integrative argumentation takes a step further, as not all the considered arguments lead to the same conclusion. In this case, more nuanced thinking and weighing of the arguments is needed to draw conclusion. Integrative negotiation—also called integrative bargaining, interest-based bargaining or win-win bargaining—is a negotiation strategy in which the involved parties work together to find a solution that satisfies the needs and concerns of each. Integrative goal (shared purpose)

Bayto will add Enough to PFDJ’S government and Yes to the Eritrean Government in Exile slogan (ይአክል! ጭርሖ) mobilize change seekers to collaborate and create grassroot chapters and transform Eritrean community through the slogan, Yiakl PFDJ! and Yes to EGiE! We would rather argue our differences, political ideology, and hierarchy later.

EGiE/EPRiE will recognize and agree to each other and focus on problem-solving, not advancing a partisan agenda or a particular ideology.

One of EGiE/ EPRiE duties would be to help define the roles and limits each one in the struggle. It should serve as a solution for the confused state we are in.

EGPCiE is expected to work independently to reach out and help narrow gaps and work to resolve conflicts and help reconciliations.

EGPCiE to help Eritreans reconcile differences and work for united purpose. Know the politics of the politics of give and take, avoid issues or problems because others have made them matters of partisan dispute, and learn to forgive each other.

EGiEl” in collaboration with others will work on the renaissance of independence spirit. Use the knowledge of Eritrean Ex- high officials, military officers, and opposition political parties. Use the knowledge of Eritrean Ex-high officials, military officers, and opposition political parties to help the new ideas and efforts put forth to give it credibility and share their long experience of opposition activities in Diaspora and link the Eritrean Government in Exile with their connections and community influence.

Eritrean Peace Commission in Exile recognizes that Ato Saleh Younis’ and group has reinitiated the setting of the EGiE, which Ato Herui Tedla and his group had worked and made progress before fifteen years. The new initiative will be built on that foundation. (አልጊብካ ምህናጽ). EGPiE suggests Ato Saleh Younis to lead the provisionally and Ato Herui Tedla to work as high-level advisor and lead one of the very important roles he deems he should work on. This must be done ASAP.

EPRiE will conduct democratic nonpartisan elections. In nonpartisan elections, each candidate for office is eligible based on her or his own merits rather than as a member of a political party. No political affiliation (if one exists) is shown on the ballot next to a candidate.

EGiE will appoint executive officers to be approved by EPRiE.

The president will be elected within 6 months. Each political party, civic or individual will present a candidate. Every elected must give up his/her organization and be solely for EGiE. The elected will be accountable to the EPRiE.

Suggested action items for “EGiE”

  1. 1. Coordinate our diplomatic activities; Work on diplomacy with neighboring countries governments around like Ethiopia, other countries, US representative and their opposition parties, civic and media.
  2. 2. Condemn all forms of agreements that the dictatorial regime of Eritrea enters with any foreign government or
  3. 3. Call on the Eritrean defense and security forces to stand with their people and be an instrument in charting the democratic change for
  4. 4. Work earnestly in the development and application of a common transitional

EGiE to solicit support from international media, NGO, government officials, influential Eritrean and friends of Eritreans around the globe. The Ethiopian government through its embassy should be approached to sever its ties with Isaias through media and diplomacy.  Isaias can only be defeated with a crisis impacted situation. The closer of the Sudan boarder was the crisis which forced him to make amends with Ethiopia.

EGiE/EPRiE/EPCiE Support and empower Eritrean religious leaders to challenge the government’s injustice supporters and call for repentance and reconciliation. Work on diplomacy with neighboring countries governments around like Ethiopia, other countries, US representative and their opposition parties, civic and media.

EGiE/EPRiE to respond to the general public’s fear of failure and the uncertainty to handle and save the victory post Isaias by building a plan and capacity to survive the Victory by unifying all justice seekers with a dynamic strategy to and create or find common goals to unify Eritrean Political and civics and come up with policies reflective of its diversity in Gender, Religion, Age, etc.

EGiE/EPRiE to identify and support active oppositions and encourage the passive change seekers. The new PFDJ converts should empower not undermine the opposition people who have been invested for decades in the movement. All the new participants of the change should try to be fuels to the fire and accelerate the existing momentum and create a force to push the regime off the cliff. Erode the support of Isaias in our community and garner support from all areas: Media, influential people (Eritrean and friends of Eritreans)

The “Yiakl! May have been stretching more than it ought to be and try to handle civic, media, political party and that is where the EGiE, EPCiE and other initiatives will come to take the load of and create dynamism to the struggle. EGiE, EPCiE  will build on the foundation set  by all Eritreans justice seekers in the past over 30 years. አልጊብካ ምህናጽ!

https://www.constitutionaltransitions.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Decentralization-in-Unitary-https://hbr.org/2017/01/how-protests-become-successful-social-movements
Non-partisan democracy – Wikipedia
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https://www.igi-global.com/dictionary/integrative-reconciliation/14966

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  • Aman Y.

    Thank you all,
    He said” አብዚ ጊዜ መንግስቲ ስደት ምባል ጃልነት’ዩ” Knowing the meaning makes one feel better. I thought it was a more offensive word.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Aman,

      He could also mean ዕሽነት as in ጅል in Amharic means ዓሻ.

  • Aman Y.

    Selamat all,
    Can some body be kind enough to tell me what ጃላነት means. I was listening to Dr. Gebre G. Mariam’s what he called it አስትምህሮ ብዛዕባ GiE for a few minutes and didn’t like not only what he was saying but also how. But I do not want to say much before I know what ጃላነት means.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Aman Y,

      ጃላነት = “ላንጋላንጋ” ወይውን “አይምስቲ አይምስዚ”

    • haileTG

      Hey AY,

      I think it means limiting, stalemate.. may be??

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        ሰላም ሃይላት,

        እዛ ቃል “ጀላነት” ካብ ቋንቋ ሃገረሰብ ብፍላይ ናይ ጓሶት ዝተወስደት’ያ:: ጓሶት ብዝዓጎል ክጣልዑ ከለው ሓንቲ ካብተን ዘዓጎል ብጥርዛ ጠጠው እንተኢላ ጃላ ይብልዋሞ እቲ ተጻወታይ ጸወትኡ ይቅጽል:: because he neither win nor lose. Therefore, in politics for one who has no clear position “አይምስቲ አይምስዚ” ጀላ መርገጽ ንብሎ::

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          ሰላማት ፕሮፌሰር ኤማ
          ሕርካም ኣውጺኻ ርእሲ ዶ ጭራ ምስ በልካ ‘ሞ ‘ታሕርካም ብትኹል ደው ‘ቴላ ጀላ ይበሃል።
          Now that I remember, I was giving wrong info to another Emma.

    • Haile S.

      Selam Aman Y,

      ጃላነት according to ተክአ ተስፋይ tigrigna dictionary means ማዕረ ምዃን። ንምሳለ ኣብ ውድድር።

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      ኣማኑኤል
      ጃላነት = ምዘንባል: ጸግዒ ምሓዝ: ምሽራው: ወዘተረፈ…ይምስለኒ ኔሩ።
      ንኣብነት: ኣመሪካ ምስ እስራኤል ጃላነት ጌራ….

  • Bayan Negash

    Greetings all,

    Not knowing whom I should address the following that deals with Memhir Amanuel Sahle’s video clip that was shared over the weekend, I am just going to leave it open for everyone to chime in, if they so wish.

    Like the maid in the girl with the pearl earrings that attracted the painter’s interest in the movie by the same title, here, too, we have the girl with the dirty clothes at the border attracting our attention, albeit for completely opposite reason than the movie.

    I believe memhir Amanuel Sahle’s video clip deserves a separate treatment here. So, instead of only watching the relevant part related to a 14-year-old-girl’s statement at the border how she was able to elude the authority when crossing to Tigray from Eritrea, watching the entire clip gives a far clearer picture what our Asmarino Memhir Amanuel was cooking up. So, word for word, the story went something like this:

    “ሓንቲ ኣብ ጥቓ ዶብ ኢትዮጵያ ዝዓዳ ንእሽቶ ኤርትራዊት፡ ዶብ ሰጊራ ናብ ኢትዮጵያ ትኣቱ። እቶም ኣብቲ መዓስከር እተቐበሉዋ ኣሕሉቕ በቲ ንእስነታ ተገሪሞም፡ ምናልባት ስድራኣ ከመርዕዉዋ ምስ ደለዩ ሃዲማ ዝመጸት ከይትኸውን ብማለት ነቲ ንቡር ጥያቔታት የቕርቡላ። ንሳ ዕድሜኣ 14 ምዃኑ ድሕሪ ምሕባር፡ ኣመጻጽኣኣ ክትገልጽ ከላ ግን ከምዚ ዚስዕብ ትብል፥ ካብ መርዓ ኣይኮንኩን ሃዲመ፡ ክሰግር እየ ደለየ። እቶም ኣሕሉቕ ድማ፡ ብኸመይ ደኣ እቶም ወትሃደራት ኢትዮጵያ ደው ዘየበሉኺ፡ ብምባል ይውከሱዋ። እቲ መልሳ ከምዚ ዚስዕብ እዩ ነይሩ፥ ረሳሕ ክዳን ተኸዲነ፡ ዓጋመ መሲለ እየ ተሳጊረ፡ ስለዚ ገለ ኣይበሉንን!! እቲ ዝሃበቶ መልሲ ነቶም ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣሕሉቕ ኣዚዩ ኣተሓሳሲቡዎም። ትምህርቲ ህግደፋውያን፡ እንተ ዘይቀተለስ፡ የዕነኒ።”

    This girl is supposed to have said “I wore dirty clothes to look like an Agame, in order to avoid being stopped by the Ethiopian military border patrols. Agame is the bad slur used to denigrate the people of Agame and the whole Tigray people. The slur is truly a bad one that should be effaced from usage, no contestation there. But the story was told here as proof of Eritrean highlanders’ racial animus toward Tigrawot.

    The girl is supposed to have said that the military patrol saw her (ስለዚ ገለ ኣይበሉንን), but didn”t ask her. This means her trick worked and the patrols were tricked. What kind of border patrol does Ethiopia have? One who decides based on the dress that one wears rather than an ID card?

    It is surprising that the narrator chose a young girl to be right from the border vicinity who manages to use a slur. This surprising border dresses an Eritrean in clean clothes and those across (in Tigray) in dirty. Cynicism gotta kick in here. At a time where even very young children are leaving Eritrea, it is very surprising to see the refugee handlers thinking of this young girl as a run-away underage bride from a forced marriage. Pun, of course, intended to hit its target – double entendre of a novice type. That Eritrea exercise still exercise marriage of underage children clearly intended for foreign consumption on the marriage story and diaspora Tigrinya speakers on the other. The story doesn’t add up. It was concocted to dirty the highlander Eritrean (ምምርሳሕ ከበሳ).

    Memhir Amanuel Sahle is a walking contradiction in the speech he gave. For example, he tells his audience that Asmarinos Tigrawot who built Asmara’s Church emulating the one in Akshum as well as the mosques in Asmara. So, if Tigrawot were the original Asmarinos, then, who transformed the awraja Agame into a condescending term then? He continues to tell his audience how Eritreans were peasants who knew nothing about commerce. Eritreans were not in Asmara, the capital of Agame slur.

    It is not Decemhare or Mendefera or ShmaNegus laAlay that says Agame day and night! It was those who considered themselves Asmarinos, based on Memhir Amanuel’s assertion it was Tigrawot who were populating Asmara who were getting devastated by Tigryan warlords and later by Italians who sent all the notable Eritreans to NaKura…This alone raises a great deal more questions, but I will focus on memhir’s own words telling us about the early Asmarino settlers.

    Where did those Tigrayans who settled in Asmara come from? History tells us the Tigryans who settled in Asmara and started the economic infrastructure were not from Agame, but from the areas of Alula’s origin and Axum/Adwa area. Agame were their poor servants. They started dirtying the word, not the peasant “Eritrean” from the poor village areas. If we think PFDJ will be removed from power by these seemingly pointless arguments, we are sadly mistaken. PFDJ will not be removed by ምምርሳሕ ከበሳ።

    So, nit-picking, decontextualizing a video clip from its entire message will only create confusion. For example, Memhir Amanuel says something far worse than the poor 14-year-old girl had allegedly said. After listening to what he had to say at the 7-minute mark, anything else he says in the entire clip ought to be treated as a suspect. He unequivocally and in clear terms makes his personal feelings be known:

    Memhir Amanuel Sahle personally supports the idea of Tigray-Tigrinye as a nation.

    His reasoning is all based on fear mongering. That Arabs will invade us. The Amharas will invade us. Nothing about the history’s region being about raids and counter raids and Tigray being the prominent player in this game of cat and mouse of raid and counter raid if we reference the history books. Well, Tigray had its glorious history before the capital of Ethiopia was moved from north to the center of Ethiopia, in Shawa. Accept it and be a part of the country Ethiopia. Ezi ክ ውዕየካ ብማንካ ክ ዝሕለካ ብኢድካ approach to politics will only do Tigrayans a disservice. Look at the mess hiwHat put Tigrayans in today. The mentality that Ethiopia cannot remain as Ethiopia if Tigrayans can’t lead it has destroyed Tigray as a vibrant killil of Ethiopia we’ve known it to be in the last three decades. What a pity for the political elites’ inability to see beyond their egos, for such an ego Tigray and its people are regressing and paying heavy toll for it.

    • Saleh Johar

      BEYAN,
      indeed people like Amanuel Sahel are walking contradictions. I do not blame Asmarinos like him because there is a cultural ignorance as well. Here is how I know it:

      Butter is a sign of wealth because not everyone afforded it. And living in fly and mosquito infested countryside, people dip their wrappings in butter and usually dust settles in the clothes. Living an organic life, dust is not considered “dirt” as the western culture taught us later on. Butter and melted fats on the hair, body and clothes was not regarded bad but a sign of affluence and proper grooming. It’s before ointments , hair and body lotion were widespread. That’s why there were no white wrappings and clothes around because they soon look brownish due to the butter and dust yet safe from flies and mosquitoes. And that was considered dirty by the naked backs who thought that the Italian “Pulito” clothes belonged to them by proxy.

      I was disturbed by the smell of butter in the countryside at first. But then all of us got used to the smell. However, the shortage of water and the non-existent habit of taking showers was not making it any better—but that applies to the boastful city dwellers who would be lucky if they got a weekly shower.

      That was prevalent in most villages be it in Agame or Eritrea and this is my eye witness testimony 🙂

      As for Amanuel Sahle, I have a bonus for you all—something he wrote in the eighties.

      Cheers

      • Bayan Negash

        Kbur Haw Saleh,

        Many thanks for sharing and making the needed connections for those of us who have had no chance to experience Eritrea and Ethiopia the way you did. Eye witness stories are the best types.

        I cannot wait until I read our mhur, memhir Amanuel Sahle’s piece he wrote in the eighties.

        • Abi

          ሰላም በያን
          Who is this Amanuel Sahle? Is he the Assenna guy?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            No. You are not paying attention! We had discussed at length about his videos and about the same subject as these days whem Mahmud and Paulos were around.

            ከኤርትራውያን ጋ እየዋሉ እያደሩ! እንዴት ነው ነገሩ!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ቀን የተማርኩትን ማታ እያስረሱኝ ተቸገርኩ::
            እናንተ ደግሞ ላልጠፋ ስም አገሩን ሁሉ አማኑኤል እያላችሁ ግራ አጋባችሁኝ:: በሰፈር ነው እንዴ ስም የሚወጣላችሁ?
            ከማይበላ ወዲህ አማኑኤል: ከማይበላ ወዲያ ኃይለ ….

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            He is another Ammanuel who makes the so called historians look like fools. BTW, I have yet to meet a guy name Ammanuel that is not smart.

          • Abi

            MM
            ምንአልባት ስም የሚወጣላችሁ ዩንቨርስቲ ስትገቡ ይሆናል::

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Abi,
            Translation

    • Haile S.

      Selam Beyan,

      Nice deconstruction of a built up story as well as highlighting a revelatory contradiction. If the story of the little girl is taken as real, I swear the story of ተንኮለኛው ከበደ was also 100% true.

      P.S. On who built or rebuilt the Asmara church few more times, we will check it in history books. The style of church construction was typical for the larger area of northern Abyssinia. It doesn’t mean the people we know as Tigrawot built them all. Using such history for chest beating was wrong by memhir. Of course it was named after Mariam Zion of Axum and especially if the Patron is Mary! It cannot be called Ste Sophia! Don’t the the slabs of wood and stone representations of Tabot are copies of the one in Axum. All churches including in Enarea!

      • Bayan Negash

        Selam Haile S.,

        You are our historian with a unique knack of detective kind akin to that of Sherlock Holmes. Your recent article at awate (what’s in a name) was a testimony to that infinite appetite for history you seem to have.

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Dr Beyan,

      Again I will not go to history, how Asmara was populate and by whom. The point is “Agame” as an awraja and “agame” as slur is different. In Eritrea Agame is used as a slur for Tigray people including the Eritreans who live on the borders of Tigray. That is for fact. Agame usage is not limited to Asmarinos but also by residents of all our towns and beyond the urbanites even in the rural villages of Eritrea.

      Let me give you an example of the village I grew up. My grandfather had a big livestock and big farming, so he has to hire a person to plough his farmland. My grandpa asked his son to look for a good farmer. He brought an Eritrean from Senafe. Look how the entire village was calling him “Agame”. So Agame was a slur – part of Ethnopaulism, treating them below human being. It is a disgusting to hear it, and yet instead of correcting this social behavior, we are in full swing to defend our behavior. Amazing to watch.

      Regard

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Hi Prof. Emma,
        Just to add some to yours, Agame into formats:
        1. The closer your village is to Tigray [to the lesser degree but still used]. This is relatively speaking because take an example to the head of Agazian guy, he call himself he is from Tseazega. He call people south of Duba Ruba and DecamHare as Agame.
        2. Agame were called with such slur to Tigray people b/c they were working a less desirable jobs that the locals try to avoid.

        In any society, if you are poor and/or immigrant, you get similar treatment.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Mehandsay,

          I don’t like defending bad social behavior, and that is what they are doing unfortunately.

          Regard

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Prof. Emma,
            Some of it is lack of awareness, I believe.
            “በዳሊ ‘ተረሰዐ ዝተበደለ ነይርስዕ” ኢሎሞ ‘ቦታትና።
            ስደት ምስ መጸት ከስተማቕራ ጀሚረ ንብለካ።

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Haw Bayan,

      Thanks for this opportunity to wrap up the discussion of this difficult topic by contextualizing it through our personal appraisals. The context for me is that the generations old discord between highland Eritrea and Tigray, as manifested through a litany of bigoted attitudes, does not lend credibility to the irrational fear that Tigray-Tigrigna or something of the sorts is realistic.

      As we all know very well, the one sure fire, kill all approach for PFDJ to thwart any opposition is to dig hard enough to find some Tigray connection with a particular justice seeker. Once that is done, they will be politically crippled for good. Why? PFDJ knows exactly how to play the psychology card, it will beat anyone hands down. Unfortunately, we tend to argue the case from absolutist enabler paradigm. Which is to say that we tend to take things as 100% true or 100% false. Such a blinding world view is where an absolutist like IA thrives.

      In this particular debate we see the argument drifting (not from you kbur Haw), into yes there is or no there is no such thing camp. The truth is usually in the gray area. Indeed, the Tigray card is a race card through and through, yet there is hopeful signs that there are enlightened people on both sides that acknowledge the problems and chart a way forward.

      I admit it is a difficult topic, our people are also too traumatized by many other things to have the luxury to fully bring it to the fore or make it a main issue at this time. However, the opposition to PFDJ is highly fragmented due to Eritreans’ different approach towards Tigray and the pressure that PFDJ maintains by emphasizing the Tigray card incessantly.

      My view is that such divisions will persist and part of the opposition strategy could be reconciliation. The latter is based on truth. Truth is hard, it is bitter and for sure it hurts. But when all is said and done, truth remains. Truth is not afraid, it does not seek but must be found and does not die but must be lived. Reconciling the opposition groups would require facing the mirror of truth, we may not like the reflection, all we need is fix the things we don’t like. No amount of quarrels with the mirror would alter the image.

      Looking at the facts on the ground, this topic is brought up to demonstrate that there is no credible threat at this junction that Tigray-Tigrigna can actually materialize, after all this, in Eritrea. If that premise is accepted, then reconciliation is a short walk from there because false belief had been done away with. If on the other side, the belief is the opposite, then IMO it adds a layer of difficulty that bedeviled the opposition camp right up into Eritrea’s transition period that seems close enough by all accounts.

      PS: My most memorable experience of Amanuel Sahle is Siwasiw Quwanqa Tigrigna book. A very astute philosopher of language and literature, but politics would be best avoided for him so that we can continue to benefit from his giftedness in those areas.

      Thanks

      • Saleh Johar

        HaileS,
        I welcomed Amanuel when he started to write on awate as a philosopher. Slowly he shed his philosophy for primordial politics of the region. Instead of teaching Tigrinya language he switched to supremacy. It’s been a while since I lost him.

        • Abi

          Selam Ato Saleh
          One reason why I call this place home is you are strict when it comes to racist comments and attitudes. You should be really proud of your unwavering efforts in making our home free from racism and bigotry.
          Of course, yours truly never missed a chance or hesitate to jump on anybody’s throat when he sensed any kind of racist attitudes.
          Thank you.

        • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

          Saleh,
          You must have not wearing your hat because your reply is to wrong Haile.
          This reminds me a guy who used to say Mohamed, Ahmed or MaHmudo are all the same 🙂
          Sorry, my bad 🙂

        • haileTG

          Hi Sal, ah…I remember reading his entries! One was about nick names /Saguwa… I think we should call him Amanuel Supremo:-) [you have to read his said article to get the pun]

      • Bayan Negash

        Many thanks for this beautifully constructed wrap-up thought you shared. I couldn’t agree with you more on Memhir Amanuel Sahle, politics is definitely not his cup of tea. Listening to the video clip gives you how impish his thought processes are that helped him arrive at the notion of Tigray-Tigrinye as a nation.

        Be that as it may, you are absolutely right, his strength lies in language and literature. I do have his sewasu tigrinya bsefiHu. I haven’t had a chance to read it yet. Giving the sewasu book a read might serve as a redemption. That video clip, if I were in his shoes, I would’ve deleted it out of the public’s views.

        Again, many thanks for all that you do in the flourishing of a discourse in this forum.

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት
    መዓልቲ-ናጽነት ሰሙን ተሪፉዋ
    ኤረትራ ክትቀልዕ ጉልባባ
    ክትቅንጥጥ ዓለባ
    ሓንሳብ ኣብ ዓመት

    ገበን-ኣልቦ እሱራት ክፍትሑ
    ስድራ: ብስራት እሱራት ክሰምዑ
    እሱራት: ዳግማይ ብርሃን ክሪኡ
    ንቡር ምሳሕ ተኣኪቦም ክበልዑ
    ከምቶም ካልኦት መራሕቲ ዝመባጽዑ

    ዓንተር ዓዲ ሃሎ
    ጠርሙዝ ኣረቂ ምስገሰሞ
    ከም ገለዶ “እሱራት ይፈትሑ”
    ትብል ቃል ኣይትወጾን
    ትብል ‘ዛብርኽቲ ሓማተይ
    ደቃ
    ምሰ’ሽሓት እሱራት ኣይፍትሑን?
    ኢላ ትሓተኒ
    ኣፍኪ ይስዓር!
    ካብ ምባል ሓሊፈ ዝብሎ ይጠፍኣኒ

    ቃንዛ ‘ዩ ናትና ነገር

  • haileTG

    Selamat BY,

    I am bringing the thread here to make it easily accessible, as there may be more people who would like to add to it. Even my friend Semere may wish to highlight, boldface and underline parts of it-:)

    BY, thanks for your input there. I will get to the heart of the matter right away. These are the peculiar psychology of our Tigrigna people towards others benefiting and the unfortunate, yet prevailing, problem of deep racial hatred towards the people of Tigray. I am fully versed with the wereja cover up of we have nothing against Tigrayans, its just their leaders. Nop, we’re (kebessa Eritrea) is racist to the hilt towards the very person of Tigrayaness.

    Now let me argue each assertion in turn. As do many Eritreans, you stated that you are worried of alliance with strings attached. Please understand this is not an attack on your person, just using your view as an example. Well, you also correctly shown that many interventions were done not for Eritreans, Japanese, or anyone happened to be the example. But, the very notion of alliance, intervention, relationship and so forth is interest based. Countries intervene when their interests is at stake. The current US admin is intervening in the HoA because as it stated “US interests are harmed” by the situation. So, what makes it unusual to have a string in an alliance. Can there be an alliance without a string so to speak?? Alliances are made up of strings. Isn’t IA providing young Eritrean lives to Ethiopian war a string on PMAA side and PMAA providing for IA regional ambitions IA string on PMAA? When EPLF and TPLF ganged up on ELF, didn’t each side have had strings? When EPLF and TPLF worked together wasn’t there strings. Does US – Europe alliance have strings?? Does US – Israeli alliance have strings? Who can have a no string alliance. Did any one ever went to fight on somebody else’ war for the love and devotion of it? Not at all. All relationships, alliances, associations are strings attached. Even marriage is strings attached. So, for example if IA puts himself on line to be attacked by others, US, TPLF or someone else. You could have a string either with IA or the attacking part. Whoever you chose will also have a string on you. Otherwise, you will have to chose a path of isolation, digging in the trenches and fight alone until one bright sunny day one rules over all others. That is just not feasible, never attempted and a red herring to cover up another problematic issue: the racial hatred many highland Eritreans have towards Tigrayans.

    I can’t speak for lowland Eritreans in all honesty, I don’t have any experience in that regard to judge them that way. But a fellow lowland Eritrean can come forward and give their testimony. Agame is core racial slur used to describe ALL of Tigray in highland Eritrea. We have all grown up hearing bone chilling names attributed to Tigrayans. Referred to as Agame, they are fully dehumanized group in Eritrean highland. Few years back, I did a very small casual investigation to try to see what is at the root of such disturbing leveles of animosity towards Tigrayans. The only theory I could come up with (personal theory) is that in the late 18th century, Tigrayan feudal lords were collecting taxes from farmers in highland Eritrea. In the process, when taxes were not paid, the Tigrayan feudal lords sent for villages to be burned and many other atrocities to be conducted in highland Eritrea regions. There was also some human trafficking going on from highland Eritrea to Yemen and other Arab countries at the time. The early settlement of evangelical missionaries in Eritrea opened their first school to rescue and give life skills to run away Eritreans from that sort of slave trade. So, my theory is that the deep racial hatred of Tigrayans is generational and may be traces it history to that era. I am not a historian but that is my casual reading of it.

    The apparent lukewarm reaction to the current atrocity happening in Tigray may also have been (to some extent) influenced by that type of bad blood. Do the Tigrayans also hate us? May be, but I don’t know of a well formed racial slur Tigrayans use against Kebessa Eritreans on par to agame. So, one problem with Eritrean opposition groups attempting to forge alliance with Tigrayans is the fact that they try to overlook or hush under the carpet this important defining sentiment between the people. There is no way Tigrayans could be administering Eritrea from Asmara, the racial sentiment towards them will never allow it except under the barrel of a gun. I heard Eritrean highlanders who protested in Shemelba few years ago, calling the Tigrayans agame while in refugee camp in their land. It runs deep and needs sober reflection.

    If Eritrean opposition were to work with Sudan or Djibouti, it is very unlikely many Eritrean highlanders will be equally disturbed. So, let’s face the real challenge and either of our peoples can work in earnest to heal the problem over a generation or two. Trying to cover it up will only push us to argue from the position of red herring, trying to define, re-define, go around the globe to discuss intervention, alliance, symbiosis and osmosis for eternity. Let’s cut the chase and suggest ways in which these two people can acknowledge the elephant in the room (racism) and save their time and use their good effort to heal the situation over a long haul.

    I understand this discussion may be uncomfortable for some, but racism is not unique to us. It ravages the world at this time as we speak. Those who acknowledge it and take proactive steps to mitigate its impact tend to do well.

    Thanks

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      It is a valued criticism. However, the highlanders don’t want to be subject to criticism no matter what. The highlanders are intolerant to criticism as they are intolerant to social grievances. The Agame racial epithet are used even to certain region of ours that are bordered to the Tigray region. So I don’t expect a positive response to your critics because of the reasons I have stated.

      Regard

    • Brhan

      Merhaba Haile TG,

      The word has to do with Italian colonization. Asmarinos of the 30s and 40s of the last century might spell it for the first time. At the end racism is about “I” or “we” are better than “you” or “they” in such and such.

      The word has created a complex image among Eritreans, and this due to politics and wars. This intricate image resulted in an attitude of hate and racism. Can we solve the problem after we solve our political and war issues or now? I agree with you; even these days are challenging, we have to talk about the taboo.

      • haileTG

        Selamat Brhan and Aman,

        Yes Brhan that theory is also another one I heard. As you have likely followed the recent debate getting ever wider and wider over alliances, it is also bogging down the opposition needlessly, pitting us against each other and giving PFDJ repeated chances to continue its disastrous path. The reality is that such deep rooted racism exists. No one person or group is singularly responsible. We need to have it out in the open and accept it as fact on the ground. If there are groups wishing to forge alliances against this backdrop, they need to have clear strategy for their own sake. It is pointless to toil at something where people would criticize them with intellectual dishonesty as if they have done something wrong. The truth is that highland Eritreans can’t work effectively with Tigrayans at this junction or for foreseeable future (due to the current atrocity), but slow people to people over long period of time may bring the people together eventually. Such acceptance of reality would allow Eritreans to avoid false hopes and own up to their problems free of distraction. I don’t think there is a solution to this problem in the short time. Let’s know the truth and truth would set us free.

    • Berhe Y

      Dear HaileTG,

      You have taken this argument to an angle where I was not thinking, even 0.00001%. I can only speak for myself and I don’t have any racism tendency towards tigrayans. I know something bad that happened to my family personally during the Derg times but it was an isolated incident and those who were doing bad, because they were able to and benefited. I do know and appreciate, the sacrifice they did and like many Eritreans, I am grateful.

      During the honeymoon years of EPLF/TPLF, all the TPLF parties and fund raising events were attended by many Eritreans and I had attended a lot of them.

      What ever differences, hate, racism that people had, was fading away I think for the most part.

      Let me tell you this, I grew up in an area where my family interacted with lots of people from Tigray, who worked hard, had earned honest living and I have nothing but at most respect.

      I was lucky from that sense because my father raised me to be totally ethnic blind as he was a man loved and respected by a lot of people and never had an ounce of racism in him.

      Now that is out of the way, my question was strictly “what is there for Eritrea?”. In other words, what is the “Eritrea national interest”. I can tell you what Eritrea would lose but that’s not a topic.

      So HaileTG, if you don’t mind I wish you if you can answer what I asked.

      Now you made want to add another question. What are we prepared to give, as you sound convinced that Eritrea is to give something.

      • haileTG

        Hey BY,

        I trust you are a good man, from a good family. I wish we can say that about the overwhelming majority of highland Eritreans in regards to racism towards Tigray. I am not racist too, but grew up and still associate with many fellow Eritreans who have disturbing levels of disrespect and racism towards Tigrayans.

        That being said, cooperation, alliance, mutual support are good assets in themselves and by themselves. You help your brother and your brother helps you. Peace with Ethiopia is preconditioned with peace and cooperation with Tigray. The last time EPLF and TPLF cooperated, both benefited. But the racism issue was only buried not resolved. So when we can’t figure out what benefit we would get by cooperating with our next-door, it is hard to figure out what to benefit from anyone else. The Tigray Eritrea border is home to intertwined and intermarried communities of both regions. The people are highly dependent on each other. There would be no Eritrea today, had it not been to the cooperation of both peoples. Military coordination was easy because of proximity. Common developmental trajectories because the population is interrelated by language and culture. The same is true for all other groups in Eritrea across the border. Except they don’t have the “I am superior” malady like between the Tigrigna.

        With all respect, under natural circumstances, to even ask if there is any benefit on cooperating with Tigrayans would be immensely unthinkable. But this also shows how we are influenced even at sub-conscious level to be oblivious Hawi Melamnti Muku’wna!

        • Berhe Y

          Dear HaileTG,

          Up until 2010 or 2012, I don’t think there was any specific hate at least from those who oppose the PFDJ towards TPLF. As a matter of fact, I don’t think Eritreans differentiate them from the rest of Ethiopians, they all were thinking, speaking that would benefit Ethiopia.

          For example, I could not differentiate between Abi, Eyob, Admassie, Kaddis, Horizon or Amde. They all spoke with almost the same voice from Ethiopia interests.
          Fanti was special and he went way beyond and he assured us that better days are coming for Eritreans. Even if I want to be mean, the fact that he is reading, gives me a pause to think twice before I do.

          I have been critical of TPLF as I was convinced they were behind the Agazian thing, and for that I have asked directly. I could be totally wrong but there was a conference organized in mekelle university where Amanuel (forgot his last name, the Tigrinya author ), along with Memhir Muluwork (head of Tigray election) had a conference and they spoke mostly about “Tigray / Tigrinya”. I have heard many quotes directly from notable Tigray intellectuals such as Memhir Muluward, and there was another person who was head of one of the opposition party that run in Tigray (who I think advocating for independence Tigray), where his definition of Tigray was all the land and people that speak Tigrinya, Afar and Kunama. He is now with those TDF fighters.

          All those Eritrean YouTube channels, that are currently organized and aligned together, their main theme is struggle is the same. Tigrinya, Tigrinya, Tigrinya and their guests are either Eritreans or Tigrwot who advocate Tigrinya. Arabic and by extension Islam is fiercely fought against and the Agazians are the extremely side.

          But I don’t know why we hide in semantics. The guy guy from Tigray Media House told us (official media organization of Tigray as far as I am concerned) said openly that those with “ጥባሕ ጥባሕ” are primarily responsible for the abuse in Tigray, where among other people, Yosief Ghebehiwet, Eritrean intellectual heavy weight and anti Eritrean Ghedli struggle was the guest, and he elaborated more.

          In short, they wanted to create Tigriny of Yohannes and what is usually alleged as Abay Tigray as it is attributed to TPLF manifesto. They can what ever they wanted to achieve and dream what ever they wanted to dream, but why would

          Against all this drawback why would an Eritrean

          • haileTG

            Dear BY,

            I fully oppose the destruction of Eritrea in that way.

            Just to be clear, are you saying that such is the call being made? In such case, you are making a serious allegations of treason. I sincerely hope they think again. Personally, I haven’t heard that type of call.

            I feel that the proposal is hard sell because of the racial animosity at this time despite the attempt to cover it up as a national concern.

            Feel confident that however I have a lot of respect for you as a fellow justice seeker.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Hypothetical questions are intended to deviate us from the real issue we are debating on a “conditioned racism” and how to tackle it within our society to bring behavioral social change. You could pass it as “time un sensitive” for such hypothetical questions.

            regard

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HaileTG,

            I did not say that is “the call made by AI of Assena and their groups” is what I said above. But most of those Eritreans who have joined hands (the YouTube worriers ) have been advocating that sentiment for a while now.

            I don’t have a whole list of them (as they are so many) but please find a clip below from the interview I mentioned with YG on TMH.

            https://mobile.twitter.com/mkheirom/status/1352641730697453568

            Now you can make your own judgement and reach your own conclusions but if this is how the Isayas army are described (the composition of them) and the alliance with Tigray is against this IA army, then you know who the two actors will be.

            So again, before I end this discussion, who are the two actors on this theatre? And what’s the risk to the Eritrean state? And who is to benefit the most out of it?

          • haileTG

            Selamat BY,

            Thanks for clarifying that because the objective of this Hard Talk is to benefit the movement for justice in Eritrea (as far as we are concerned). As such, we need to enlist all the affected through dispassionate and rational arguments.

            As I said, regardless of your stand, I do support you as a justice seeker, and with that I will clearly set out my perspective for your final question. Of course, this is just my understanding and I am open to criticism.

            1 – The Tigray-Tigrigna or Abay Tigray concern is without realistic merits, therefore invalid, because:

            a) There is no conceivable military/economic dominance by Tigray or any Eritrean group to effect it

            b) The deep rooted and historical social discord between highland Eritrea and Tigray does not permit it for a very long time to come

            c) The overall Ethiopian political dynamics doesn’t lend it support

            I understand that a certain Measho, Gebrat or Binyam can open a social media account and talk for hours about this. Threaten this or that but to me that has no more value than pure entertainment. Facts don’t support that situation at this time in our history.

            2 – The expectation from Eritrea is essentially access to ports by both Ethiopia and/or Tigray depending how things work out down south after the current crisis. There are two options for Tigrayans:

            a) To have a friendly ally in Eritrea that would guarantee that

            b) To dialog and resolve their dispute with the rest of Ethiopia and obtain those port services through Ethiopia. All indications is that once Tigray is settled, we are on list #2 on PMAA hit list 🙂

            Due to the PFDJ mess, Eritrea is a failed state. It doesn’t have professional armed forces, it is made up of conscripted youth on duty. It is to be expected that there will be some conflict to spill over from the current Tigray theater to Eritrea. It is hard to tell what the result will be. This why I fully support GiE instead of disparate little groupings because we desperately need it. We need not open another needless front against our own by giving in to some unrealistic fear that traces its roots to shady racist values of yester years (all of us not just you).

            So, the conflict is of economic in nature and GiE can take a definitive stand on how it would approach the issue. I respect all my fellow non PFDJ goon Eritreans regardless of their shor comings and sometimes day dreams (Tigray Tigrigna, and the rest).

            Also, last but not least, Eritrea has some basic (not too complicated) internal and historical problems that it needs to redress. This also supports GiE rather than groupings at this late hour.

            Thanks

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Let me help you clarify your major points in case Berhe missed it.

            1 When it comes to Tigray, we are NNNN . እኛ እነሱ ነን እነሱ እኛ ናቸው:: Don’t worry, be happy!!
            1a) since they lost all the political, financial and military powers , they are very unlikely to attack Eritrea. Don’t worry, be happy!
            1b) the Tigray Tigrinya is just a bad joke. Don’t worry, be happy!

            2) Once the Tigray situation is settled, Eritrea is on the #2 hit list by PMAA ( read Amharas). Be worried!!
            አማራ መጣብህ!!! ንቃ! ተደራጅ! ታጠቅ!
            We have been there ኅይልዬ! Some things never change, they say.
            Neither Great nor Honest comment by your Greatness!!
            A+ for effort.
            D- for content
            Try again!

          • haileTG

            Guad Prof. Abi,

            Yihie yetezaba wuTiet asetat Eqawemalu….abetuta yisemaligne:)

            I would never agitate against the decent people of Amhara. Did I ever tell you that my youngest kid’s kind and loving God Parents are Amhara family from the Shoa countryside?

            On PMAA, Kab hiji zineqowe zibE neyehderena…. ke’ahunu yechohe jib ayasadrenm:)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            አቤቱታህን ሰምተን ውሳኔ እስክንሰጥ በትዕግስት ተጠባበቅ::

            “በግዜ የጮኸ ጅብ አያሳድርም” is the Amharic equivalent.

            ጌታው: አቢቹን ለቀቅ ጂአይኢን ጠበቅ!

            PS
            በልጅህ ምክንያት ውጤትህ ተሻሽሎ C+ ሆኗል::
            I feel generous and compassionate today:)
            ይመችህ!

          • haileTG

            Haha Abi…zim blo kemeTalat lezariew C+ wesijalehu…lemiqeTlew astekaleH weTet siT…Min new bakh zendro…:-)

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ፀባይህ እየታየ ይጨመርልሃል::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi HaileTG,

            Sorry for delay in getting back to you.
            1) we will have to wait and see. But it’s just any average people who are advocating and planning that. There is a guy who use to be a teacher at meqele university named mehari yohannes. He wrote a book called ትግራይ ሕጂኸ ናበይ. I would love to read the book and see what he says, it was written a year or so ago. I saw the book release event and it was supported by a guy (he use to a teacher / historian) who always advocate “independent Tigray), and published by one of the wealthy businessman named Dawit (where the author gives credit).

            What he said in his speech really got me curious. He said he was inspired by Theodor Herzl who is the father of Zionism, and his ideas of writhing the book is because of him or something like that. Again not my concern but to show that some are really very highly capable intellectuals and not make ሀለፍቲ መንገዲ::
            What would concern me is what he would say for any thing related to Eritrea.

            So I will keep my eyes open:), while most of our intellectuals are አፎም ተዓጽዩ ፈሪሖም እቲ ዘረባ ንዕኦም ገዲፎምሎም:: For example, this racist thing that your brought it out of no o where is used to silence them, I am not saying you did it on purpose but I have seen it used before. For example, Paul, Hayat, Amanuel Sahle and other would throw every now and then to guilt trap us, ንጸርፍም ነርና ገለመለ

            2. I think this is given and I don’t believe there is one Eritrean who disagree with them using our ports for their hurts content, as long as it’s done legally. Personally I even go further, it will be totally free as in “zero” so to help them allocate their resources for other purpose. But they have to pay for labour and regular maintenance expenses. I hope this will shut down the “access to see critics” critics like that blind journalist, and the likes of Tamrat Negera.

            I know my Eritrean friends will ask me, if I am gone mad. No I hope not, but Eritrea will be member of the common wealth. Also we will not need to spend so much money on military hardware and national service and maintaining large armed forces, that’s where we will save the money we didn’t collect.

            3. I think they definitely miscalculated the Eritrean military capabilities. I think in the type of war and location we live, it’s the people who have developed to survive with very little things and that can withstand hardship that can win.

            4. I think the best TPLF can hope fir is, Eritrean forces to withdraw and they are back to power, if they negotiated peace with federal government.

            5. Why should the conflict spill over to Eritrea. Are they going to go return Badime or overthrow IA? You see where my suspicion comes about this alliance with Tigray ጽምዶ. Because of TPLF fights / starts a war with Eritrea then it will be violation of agreement (what ever it is, those who will author it like the US), they will demand for it. But if a ghost Eritrean opposition starts the war and TDF are in embedded then it’s all good.

            6) Eritreans need to topple IA before we become their lunch.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            The major difference between His Fantiness and Guad Rasless is the former spoon feeds your ego with what you like to hear, while yours truly cares less about your feelings when telling you the truth.

    • Mez

      Good day Dear Haile TG,

      I strongly believe the notion above, or if we also add the collective categorization “adgi” towards Amhara,…. and others is not racism. It is rather an under-current cultural, social, and economic discordance–in a way.

      Take for example: the Netherlands call the Germans “leute mit groesse fusse, means people with big foot-size”; you hear this at almost in every bar where the Germans visit on the long weekends looking for a smoke or beer in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, you name it….

      Thanks

      • haileTG

        Selamat Mez,

        Trust me on this one:-) At a risk of sounding pompous, I would share with you that I have a depth of academic (at a postgraduate level) and practical experience in the area of racism and antiracist struggles. The Eritrea highland – Tigray relationship meets all the criteria of racial problem. Amhara have never been subservient to Tigrigna Eritreans, rather it was the other way around. Tigrayans have worked as shoe shiners, house maids, laborers, street sellers of Beles, wheelers (arebia) for cheap local transport of goods. As a group, they were the humiliated one in the relationship. There are multitudes of racial slurs used besides agame against Tigrayans that links them to ignorance, poverty and backwardness. However, to deny the existence of racism is the first line of defense of the abuser. My point here is however, not to solve it but acknowledge it and make it clear that any collaboration with Tigrayans in the opposition requires to plan for this reality. Otherwise, it will always be like hitting a brick wall.

        Tim Wise is a great American, Jewish antiracist, his speeches are usually 2hrs long. I have a short about 5min cut out to share on how racism is denied by tokenism such as election of Obama or in our case EPLF and TPLF working together. We need to reflect deeper than that.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y4a2Bwd_Y0

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat,

          “ However, to deny the existence of racism is the first line of defense of the abuser.”

          The attitude of the highlanders is always defended by their elites. Look how Mez tried to minimize the message and the demeaning racist language to “..,,,, an under-current cultural, social, and economic discordance.” What he is telling us: it is “cultural discordance.” By his own logic it means it doesn’t hurt the Tigrains so he doesn’t mind if that demeaning epithets continue. Admission is considered a weakness in the mind of the highland elites. This attitude do affect the discourse of our politics as we speak. In the politics of give and take, they want to be seen as givers and not as takers – the self-aggrandizement attitude through and through. No humility in their approach.

          Regard

          • haileTG

            Selamat Aman,

            To deny the livid experience of the victim is deeply woven in the defensive psych. For example IA is disparaged by many as Tembenay or Tigrayan. Why? The very being of a Tigrayan is a liability that he needs to answer for in their eyes. PFDJ had a plan few years ago to issue new ID that checks upto 4th ancestors. Why? To weed out potential blood lines that may be Tigrayan – sort of Eugenics. It is a shameful situation but acknowledging it is a first step in dealing with it. If not at least we understand the impediment and save some energy.

        • Mez

          Hi Haile TG, Amanuel H, Brhan,

          1) I watched the Youtuber; please don’t forget what happens in America stays in America. It is too immense to contemplate here about racism in the US; it does have chains of peculiarities. It is in every aspect different from our topic at hand.
          2) if you would, please provide some research materials and output regarding racism (and its manifestations) in Eritrea–what ever is relevant to the topic at hand. That will be highly timely. I am wondering what is leading you this way.
          3) a daily/weekly at times longer time based migrant workers and labourers who may work any possible job are good/healthy for the society at large; nothing unique to the people of tigray–That is really what we (largely) do as migrants to the economically rich countries now.
          4) inherently the name was much longer there as Awraja unit in Tigray–long before it was perceived as an insult in sections of our community–and it still is.
          4.1) the Highlanders in Eritrea and the tigrians to the south do have much more culture and identity in common–which would contrast very well compared to the racism issue you raised.

          5) my hopeful postulate is that the GiE and all relevant (new and old) social forces will eventually and swiftly shift their focus of actions towards concepts such as de-escalation of conflicts, demilitarization, mechanism to enhance rule of law (civil court, police). More towards liberty, fraternity, and equality.
          5.1) with this hopefully there will be a RESET in all the political interactions between eritrean, tigrian, and ethiopian away from conflict and confrontation more towards mutual understanding and coexistence. After all, everyone has a well defined powerbase.

          Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Prof Mez,

            Your comment is a kind of retreat from the topic. But racism has a definition and characteristics that it exhibits either open or subliminal within a racist group. For one to call him a racist does not require to exhibit all racist characteristics. Even a single characteristic will make him/ her racist. Throwing the issue under the rug will keep it simmering from time to time beneath or within our social contradictions. Those who attempt to disregard its existence are those who wanted us to live with that kind of social behavior. The highlanders are not only racist to the Tigray people but also to their own people within our social groups. When we try to bury the hard truth, it will never stop coming to the surface. So better to deal with it to live at peace within ourself and with our neighbors.

            Let me mention one of the characteristics of racism. “Superiority” is one of the characteristics of racism. You know how we the highlanders sing like a song about our superiority to others, be it within our social groups or in contrast to our neighbors. I hope you will not deny this fact. So professore let us be candid and honesty about our behaviors. As a member of the Christian highlander, ethnic epithets and superiority complex within my social group cringes my stomach every time I hear them.

            Regard

          • Mez

            Dear Amanuel H,

            I tried to understand your line of thought, and realign my perception and stay engaged.

            My core problem with your line of thought is that, “knowing that we are of the same ethnicity, it is extremely unrealistic to call one self a racist–inherently to ones own extended community”.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Prof Mez,

            Are you telling me not to condemn bad behavior within my own extended family? Is superiority complex and ethonop

          • Mez

            Good day dear Amanuel H,

            1) I heard you very loud and clear in your calling the problem at hand as racism (of eritrean highlanders againest tigrians, south of the Mereb River).
            1.1) I think, on this, the debate may go for a while.
            2) More importantly, we may want to give our full attentions to fight the distortion of the political-econonics of our region (in perspective), and tackle the skewed and disoriented political chaos, primarily driven by omition and cheating.
            2.1) primarily (in Eritrea, but also in tigray and ethiopia at large); but also 2.2) in a regional framework collectively.
            3) If we as a social force focus on simple but important things, like for example:
            3.1) exert pressure, and create awareness, to get food and medicine passed through Eritrea to Tigray and amhara region, etc..–remember we hear now we have over five million people who are at the door of famine.
            3.2) say clear and loud no to war (the tplf included),
            3.3) yes to dialog and social normalcy–they would be a great stride-just to try them out.
            4) the GiE will hopfully be an incubation center for openness and mindfulness.

            Thanks

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Prof Mez,

            Since the issue of racism is cultural issue and cultural behavior can not be solved by debates in a virtual world, we leave it there. The purpose of debating the issue in this forum was simply to bring the “recognition” of its existence in our society, at least in this forum. Otherwise, we can not resolve it from the virtual world. So thank you for engaging. Let us focus now on the devil at home.

            Regard

      • Brhan

        Hello Mez,

        It may be in the Netherlands, but it was is if you lived in Eritrea. You will find people discriminated against, harassed, and even abused because they belong to the ethnic group that the article indicates or the one you mentioned.

        What made the Eritrean case different from that of the Netherlands is the wars, which fuelled collective categorization to become nothing but racism.

        Also, remember that over the years, racist words die, and this because of education and laws that make these words cease to be alive in our day-to-day conversations. There are many examples; the “N” word in the US is now either African American or blacks, the Gala in Ethiopia is now Oromo. And people are moving and out of their small circle, and when Eritreans come to the US and find the symbol of the democrats is a donkey, they are enlightened and give great respect to this great animal!

        • Mez

          Dear Brhan,

          They had some bad & ugly wars in their recent past, like wwii.

          Thanks

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Berhan,

          I don’t think comparing to the N word or it’s racism to the degree that the world knows. I think the way I describe it more “ignorance” and being mischievous as kids. As I said, I grew up with lots of people from Tigray and interacted on a lot of occasions and I had some my good friends growing up.

          There was one particular family who had a lot of kids and owned a very successful business in edga. The father use to drive Toyota Corolla when they first come in the 80s. They owned a TV (out of the 3 house, that owned in the neighborhood) and we use to go watch soccer games there. They open their doors to everyone, including young children and sometimes it was very hard to watch and concentrate, so it was not the best choice for me.

          His wife is the most generous women, and they had almost every month some kind of ጸበል and lots foods and the children were invited to eat, all the time. She was loved by everyone, including my mother where she use to frequent in her house, and she talks about the ጥሕሎ she had, I never had it and it’s one food I would like to try one day. Later they build a new villa in May chehot and the family moved, but kept contacts to some degree as their business was on the way to my school and use to run once in a while. One of the young kids become professional soccer player and played with one of the top teams, he later moved to Ethiopia and he played for the Ethiopian national team. The family moved (It was when I left) and I don’t know if it’s during the 98-00 war or before that. We contacted over Facebook and he told me both his parents have passed away, but his elder sister who was married to an Eritrean when we were there is still in Asmara (she and her husband still own the business).

          The family I think they were from Damo, as they had had lots of occasion related to ዳሞ (as I recall), There was not be thing that intrigued me, about the cloths the women use to wear when they come first from their village.

          Now thinking back, the people looked very well fed (ወዝ) their had lots of hair butterሊኻይ and the skin was glowing. But they use to wear traditional cloths I don’t know if it’s Tilfi (cotton) / or made with Kaki but it looked hearty and “dark and dirty” as in soaked with dirt. I didn’t know why ? Sometimes I thought they must have travelled a lot of distance and the dust and dirt was the reason. But I didn’t know why it gets to that level of “dirt”.

          The reason I am telling all this is the focus our learned intellectuals are emphasizing “ረሳሕ ክዳን ተኸዲነ፡ ዓጋመ መሲለ እየ ተሳጊረ”.

          Later I learned there was a process actually they soaked the clothes in butter and dirt and to make it to what it looked. I don’t know the whole story but I let those people who know or those from Tigray explained it better.

          My point is, in traditional Asmara, a white dress is meant to be kept as white as possible. If a young person who doesn’t know the reason and the background behind it, can assume of the dress got really dirty and it was never washed.

          I don’t know believe ሻዕብያ is teaching we are clean and they are dirty as this story appears to make out of to be or their implying. In fact what the girl did was using a disguise from being mistaken being from Eritrea. If the girl knew the story or did because what she was, or simply asked a follow up question would clear the reason for her answer and reach to a conclusion.

          I think I mentioned this before but I will repeat it again. My uncle who lived in his village was head of his church. And once he brought 6 young men to stay with us. They were deacons and studying to be priests. They use to go around the city, in bards and business and sing church sings to raise money.

          My friends saw them and come to tell me, we saw your cousins, they were begging in from of the bar ኣዝማድካ እቶም ዲይቆናት : አብ አፍደገ ባራት እንዳከዱ እንዳዘመሩ ይጵልዩ ነሮም:: I was upset about it and my friends were making fun in a sense. I was thinking, why they were begging when my mother was making all these food for them.

          So that evening I confronted my uncle, why was he and his deacon were begging. He laughed and said to me, we were not begging for food. We were raising money to send the deacons to study and we need money to pay for their travel expenses etc. Where would you send them and he said to Tigray (don’t remember the exact place). I asked him why Tigray, why can’t they study at home. They did but they have some of the best ገዳም and አቅሽሽትን to learn from the best.

          This is where I take the “guilty trap” with grain of salt. Why would the “racist people from kebesa”, where the church is at the highest power, would believe and sent its to be priests to Tigray to study.

          Do you see falsely of this argument? If I dare, it’s those Eritreans who for what ever reason fuel this type of argument. I bet most people, who looked down or think “superior” have not had to spend a day let alone to understand and have deeper knowledge of the people.

          The fact is, the people of Tigray, those I know don’t give a damn what we think and what believe. They could care less about our ignorance, as they have the historical places and facts to know who they are.

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Berhe Y,
            Politicians always like to stretch and spin simple words to suit their political agenda. Let me share you my experience with “dirty clothes”. In a unique circumstance, I met a Gojjame (Ethiopian) shifta. We became friends for sometime. He had been a shifta since childhood, but took Government’s (derg) amnesty to live a normal Life. I was really mesmerized by his life and adventures and never stopped asking him questions. He once told me that he never washed his body and clothes for months and years. And I asked him wouldn’t he be infested with bedbugs and lice? He confirmed that no such thing happens if you immerse all clothes in a bowl of butter and put abundant butter (LKaay) on your hair. The reason for such ingenuity was because the shiftas cannot afford to go to the rivers to wash for fear of revenge by relatives of their victims. So the seemingly “dirty clothes” is clinically safe. With the same token, shortage of water could have been one of the reasons for opting to immersing clothes with butter (TeSmi) than washing clothes periodically. Generally, social and economic imperatives determine social behaviors and others attitudes and perceptions to such realities may be biased due to their limited knowledge and understanding.

          • Abi

            Selam Woldegabriel
            “ችግር በቅቤ ያስበላል” ይላል ዘይት መግዣ የቸገረው::

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Abi,
            Edezare sayhon kibe kezeyt yireks neber

          • Abi

            Selam Woldegabriel
            የኛ ነገር “ነበር” ሆኖ ቀረ!
            ፍየል በሦስት ብር ገዝቶ ቆዳውን በአምስት ብር መሸጥ ድሮ ቀረ ጌታው!

          • Bayan Negash

            ኣቶ ፓውሎስ ኘኞ 2.0 for the 21st century. Such a joy to read your one liners that hit the nail on the head, each time, almost.

            Thank you!

          • Abi

            ሰላም በያን
            “ስምን መላእክት ያወጡታል” አይደል የሚባል?
            የንጉሥን ብያኔ ማን ይቃወማል?

            የቐንየለይ!

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Abi,
            My response with “kibbe and zeyt” parallel was purely because you introduced, for whatever reason, those words into the discussion. The price anomaly of the two commodities that I mentioned in my response was strictly due to the low level of industrialization in Ethiopia. It doesn’t reflect any nostalgia whatsoever. I look forward to the future and never to the past. Since this is our first interaction, please be informed I am not interested in any ” Inka silantya” or “kinne”.

          • Abi

            Selam Woldegabriel
            We are talking about the same thing here.
            You said ቅቤ was cheaper than ዘይት:: I said ፍየል was cheaper than its own ቆዳ:: That is where the parallel comes in.

            You said in the absence of water some communities use ቅቤ . I said in the absence of ቅቤ , some people use ዘይት.
            እንካሰላምታም ቅኔም አልተደባለቀበትም::

            Thank you for scratching your name from the waiting list. I’m glad our first conversation is also the last.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Woldegebriel,

            Thank you for elaborated reply. I am glad to hear and Saleh story also collaborates to the story.

            Berhe

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            Some of your statements are unfortunatley funny. For people who don’t know where Tigray is they would have guessed in Latin America or Southeast Asia, etc. 🙂
            ሰሚዕካ ዶ ትፈልጥ ‘ንታይ ከምዝብሉ ዝነበሩ ህዝብና? በል ቁሩብ ከዘክረካ:-

            ጽልም ዝበለ: አደድ ባርያ
            ሰማይ ዓንዲ ‘ብሉ ኣስላማይ ዓዲ ‘ብሉ
            ንጠማዕ ሰብ: ቆርማድ ዓጋመ
            ን ቆርጫጭ ሰብ: ባርያ
            ሊስታ ነዊሕ ‘ዩ።

            ስለዚ መን ምዃና ምርዳእ የድሊ’ዩ።
            ይኣክል ሕጂ ብኻልእና ንዛረብ።

          • Berhe Y

            Hi MM,

            Unfortunately you are not funny:). because I sense sometimes your sarcastic comments.

            You can self guilt all you want but the purpose of the people and example was used for ulterior motives.

            Have you not met a rich and successful person from Tigray, like Berhe qemem for example.

            If you are saying, we like every society have our flaws and call names then I agree. We call our own brother or sister ባርያ and the light skin መላጥ. We had both in my house. We also had ክርዳድ: ሊንጎ. I also know we use to say to rich Muslims ዓምና.

            I am sure if we know deep down, the Tigray people have their own baggage as well. I think there isn’t any Eritrean who doesn’t love and respect የማነ ባርያ but I think most people still use that term to remember him. His funeral I think it’s the largest ever in recent history.

            I am not saying it’s right but it’s not like used for “racism” as the world knows it.
            Do you also know the higi endaba forbid people from using such terms? To me it’s ignorance and lack of proper education and “sensitivity learning” as they call it in the west.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            Have you heard the term Racism is ignorance?
            I am not feeling guilty but acknowledging and fixing my ignorance. That’s all.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Mehandsay,

            Defending bad social behavior, it in itself is bad. I am afraid they might defend the epithets that you have listed as examples of our bad social behavior. They think by defending them, they are helping our society, but they are not.

            Regard

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ፕሮፌሰር ኤማ

            ንሓቂ ‘ተዘይልካያ ሓቂ
            ንማይ-ሓሬት ከም ምባል ነ’ረቂ
            ንዚንጎ ከም ምስያም ወርቂ
            ንሓምሳ ዋት ሉቸ ከም ምጽዋዕ በርቂ

            ንስማዕቲ የእዛን የደንዝዝ
            ንቖረብቲ የርክስ
            ንኽብሪ ባህልና የህስስ

            ሓቂ ረዛን
            ኣይትቕየር ኣይትብተኽ
            ብስላም ዕረፍ!
            ‘ዩ ምኽሪ ናይ ሓቂ

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Prof Mez,

        Is “ረሳሕ ክዳን ተኸዲነ፡ ዓጋመ መሲለ እየ ተሳጊረ” a “cultural discordance” or a “conditioned racism” just to hear from this young Eritrean girl? Can you give us a candid and honest answer, please?

        regard

        • Mez

          Good day Amanuel H,
          I took a note of about the girl.

          Thanks

    • Desbele

      Selam Haile,
      Amanuel Sahle – historical background on this issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPDNSEZckQk&t=983s
      and excerpt from what he wrote. I dont exactly remember the title.
      “ሓንቲ ኣብ ጥቓ ዶብ ኢትዮጵያ ዝዓዳ ንእሽቶ ኤርትራዊት፡ ዶብ ሰጊራ ናብ ኢትዮጵያ ትኣቱ። እቶም ኣብቲ መዓስከር እተቐበሉዋ ኣሕሉቕ በቲ ንእስነታ ተገሪሞም፡ ምናልባት ስድራኣ ከመርዕዉዋ ምስ ደለዩ ሃዲማ ዝመጸት ከይትኸውን ብማለት ነቲ ንቡር ጥያቔታት የቕርቡላ። ንሳ ዕድሜኣ 14 ምዃኑ ድሕሪ ምሕባር፡ ኣመጻጽኣኣ ክትገልጽ ከላ ግን ከምዚ ዚስዕብ ትብል፥ ካብ መርዓ ኣይኮንኩን ሃዲመ፡ ክሰግር እየ ደለየ። እቶም ኣሕሉቕ ድማ፡ ብኸመይ ደኣ እቶም ወትሃደራት ኢትዮጵያ ደው ዘየበሉኺ፡ ብምባል ይውከሱዋ። እቲ መልሳ ከምዚ ዚስዕብ እዩ ነይሩ፥ ረሳሕ ክዳን ተኸዲነ፡ ዓጋመ መሲለ እየ ተሳጊረ፡ ስለዚ ገለ ኣይበሉንን!! እቲ ዝሃበቶ መልሲ ነቶም ኢትዮጵያውያን ኣሕሉቕ ኣዚዩ ኣተሓሳሲቡዎም። ትምህርቲ ህግደፋውያን፡ እንተ ዘይቀተለስ፡ የዕነኒ።”

      • haileTG

        Thanks Desbele,

        I saw this video before, but very relevant to the discussions. The issue is deeply rooted and will take long time to correct. This is why we need to find a way to protect the momentum of opposition movement from being needlessly derailed based on such historically born prejudice and fear. And base it on rational arguments based on facts.

        Thanks

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ጨጉሪ ምስ ሃደሞ ርእሰይ
    ተጸዊዐ በራሕ
    ስደት ምስ ምረጽኩ ራሕሪሐ ሃገረይ
    ተባሂለ ፈራሕ
    ድሕሪ ቁርብ ስራሕ
    ኣብ ስደት

    ጣዕሳ ወረቐት መሊአ
    ዝራሕራሕኩዋ ሃገር ተመሊሰ

    ኣብ ክንዳይ ፈለጥተይ ሓፈሩ
    ተሓሲብካ ጭካ’ዩ ነገሩ
    ‘ንካበሉ
    ሓንጎለይ ድዩስ
    ዋላ መዓንጣይ ተበሊሉ?
    ናተይ ነገርሲ ‘ንድዕሉ

    ኣነ ጥራይ ድየ ዋላስ
    ኣለዉ ብዙሓት
    ብሓስባት
    ዝሰንከሉ

  • Kaddis

    Selam selam

    The ‘not happening in the first place’ Ethiopian election is cancelled. Now you know why Tigray did its own.. Abiy admitted Eritrean raping army is in Tigray after Senator Coons told him in person. The same with Feltman, Biden special envoy, his words in 4 killo cancelled the election. Abibi is a fake copy of Isias. He admittedly is only good at begging.

    US pressure is making some changes in the region, Somalia ( Farmajo is being rescued from Isias bully ) and the Ethiopian election that was designed as a last card to reconfigure the nation with a combined evil wishes of Abiy, Isias, G7, Amharic expansionists, Abn, balderas ajabis, the Demeqe types, city racist elites is derailed. Is the Westerns actions is fast enough to save lives? The man made hunger? The rapes? The distraction? I don’t think so. But the combined effort of Tigray fighting spirit and capability, Sudan’s realignment and standing against Abiy, Isias position, the global advocacy etc… will make a difference in the short term.

    The last few rounds of special envoys visit including meeting key actors capital like Dubai, Khartoum and Asmara is giving the US and EU a clear picture who has the key to the conflict in Ethiopia. They only see Abiy at the end to debrief him their assessment of the situation and decision after meeting key actors cause they know he is the delivery boy now. Its unfortunate to see Eritrea blew its business opportunity of Trump wicked plan of undermining Djibouti cause it was an entry point for silk road. In any case no one expects cruel isias would care about business; he only cares about sustaining violence to stay relevant.

    • kokhob selamone2

      Dear Kaddis,

      This is very brief nice and to the point.

      KS,,

    • Brhan

      Hello Kadis,

      After the envoy visit to the region, I expected a lot of information about the holiday, but unfortunately, I hardly find one. Now I know one thing: When US officials want to do something, they talk less.

      I agree that IA is going to be violent, but he is a quick read. He knew that this US action and amid the weakening of Ethiopian forces, the TPLF strong regrouping were coming. That is why he made his current motto “against all odds.” He is going to highlight this in his upcoming speech on May 24, 2021.

      No one understands the balance of power in the Horn of Africa better than the US. This means that others, including the countries of the region, do not know it. Still, Ethiopia lies about it, Eritrea denies it, Somalia runs from it, Djibouti becomes shy about it, and Sudan has other priorities.

      The US is not with creating Tigary as a country but with Tigray to remain within Ethiopia. It says it will listen to people ‘s voice but I think this has to do with Eritrea.

      • Abi

        Brhan
        You said, “… amid the weakening of Ethiopian forces, the TPLF strong grouping were coming “
        “ጥርሴስ ልማዱ ነው ዓይኔን አታስቀው”
        You like telling jokes. Tell me more.
        Tell me your “Sunday Special “.

        • Brhan

          Abi
          I have already told you. It is Bacha. ሰምና ወርቅ

          • Abi

            Brhan
            Don’t be mean to me:)
            I asked for a Sunday Special.
            what is Bacha?

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Haile TG told you what it means.

      • Kaddis

        Selam Brhan,

        Yes, the west thinks Tigray being part of Ethiopia with fair representation and governance makes the country stable. Unlike the wish of Abi, Isiais and some Amharic delusional elites who wants to destroy tigray first and force them to get separated. Followed by a repeat of deportation, confiscation etc ,,,, exactly like Eritreans in the 90s. That’s not going to happen unless Ethiopia implodes. The cancelation of the election could slow the implosion if the clueless Abibi and Isias use it to negotiate with the power bases. I doubt.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    “The atrocities being perpetrated in Tigray and the scale of the humanitarian emergency are unacceptable,” the State Department said in a statement, adding that Feltman underscored to Eritrean President Isaias Afwerki the imperative that Eritrean troops withdraw from Ethiopia immediately.

    The Eritrean regime has now the ball on its court as it finds itself facing the world’s sole superpower in its drive to:

    The United States is deeply concerned about increasing political and ethnic polarization throughout Ethiopia, the U.S. State Department said on Friday, adding that Washington will work with allies to secure a ceasefire in the Tigray region, provide assistance and hold human rights abusers accountable.

    It is a catch 22 for the despot!

    • iSem

      Hi Haile TG:
      We will be talking about this war for a long time because its carnage will have longevity and I suspect that it is worse than the 1998 border war, which lasted for two years but its devastations still haunts us
      This civil war will be devastating for the three nations: Ethiopia, Tigray and Eritrea.

      • Berhe Y

        Hi iSem,

        I want to stop this discussion but I can’t help it.

        You were one of those who were advocating, surgical remove of the PFDJ with the support of TPLF.

        You saw what Surgical removal of “TPLF” looks like now in Tigray and the devastation it has caused to the region and the people.

        Why do you think and believe, it will be any different in Eritrea when Eritreans supported by TPLF or anyone else fighting other Eritreans.

        Why civil war in Tigray Haram and civil war in Eritrea Halal. Where is the rational in this?

        Berhe

        • haileTG

          Merhaba BY,

          That is interesting question, let me interject if you and iSem don’t mind.

          If you think about it, war isn’t the only way that a society is destroyed. For example, post independence Eritrean society is destroyed under peaceful administration. I know many disagree with this but life was much better for Eritreans under the Derg than PFDJ. Let’s compare key indicators:

          Education

          Derg: Eritreans had free education up to university undergraduate level. They had an accredited Universities to choose from in Eritrea or throughout Ethiopia.

          PFDJ: Eritreans are conscripted at grade 11. Only those with 3.2 or above in Matriculation would be able to go to collages that are not recognized. Upon completion, no diploma or certificate is issued to prevent them leaving the country.

          Employment

          Derg: Eritreans can be hired for salaried or wage employment. They were subsidized to contribute for old age pension.

          PFDJ: No formal employment except in rare cases. Slavery wages of 900 Nakfa per month. No benefits for retainment.

          Immigration:

          Derg: except in areas of active combat, Eritreans never intended to leave in mass. Many also applied for VISA, scholarships and went aboard Ethiopian Airlines.

          PFDJ: Half a million Eritreans escaped the country in short time, with unbelievable tragedies, huge refugee camps, nobody would want to stay in the hell on earth called Eritrea. No Visa or any means of formal travel except for select few.

          Social welfare:

          Derg: low income Eritreans received subsidized basic necessities efficiently through a qebele shops system. These went on right until the Derg left.

          PFDJ: If it was not for diaspora remittance, Eritreans would starve in far worse scale than the great Ethiopian famine. Retawi shops only offer 2 pieces of bread per person at a cost.

          So, over all, life post independence (due to PDJ) was devastated and it would be an insult to Col. Mengistu to be compared with the savage IA.

          Based on those and your none violent stand, would you reject the war of independence and flag the latter up as the horrendous consequences of Eritreans opting for war to gain independence??

          Thanks

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            This is what you need
            -Bulletproof vest
            -Bulletproof helmet
            -Undisclosed location
            -Enforced bunker
            – ፀሎት

            They are coming for your head!
            እዋይ!!
            ተዋሪድና አለ ደርጊ!!!

          • haileTG

            Haha Abichu…haqi tezaribka ab mengedi babur deqs….tell the truth and fear not to lay down in a railway lines.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ሃቂ ተዛሪብካ ጥራይልካ!!!
            “እውነቱን ተናግሮ እመሸበት ማደር”

            Don’t get me started!!

          • haileTG

            Ere ere Tew Abi…Dina Mufti endatqesqsew yitegnabet zim b’lo 🙂 PFDJ Eko new yasasatew!

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            PFDJ ያላሳሳተው አይገኝም

            ነግሬሽ ነበረ ከሁሉ አስቀድሜ ብትሰሚኝ ብዬ
            ሻዕቢያ ውሽማ እንጂ ባል አይሆንም ብዬ::
            (ትንሽ ቅመም የተጨመረበት የድሮ ዘፈን )

            ዲናን እርሳው!! እኛ እንበቃለን:)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Dear Hailat,

            Wow! an epic contrast between the two!

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam HaileTH

            Life was much better for Eritreans under the Derg than PFDJ.
            Let’s compare key indicators:

            Education

            Derg: Eritreans had free education up to university undergraduate level. They had an accredited Universities to choose from in Eritrea or throughout Ethiopia.

            PFDJ: Eritreans are conscripted at grade 11. Only those with 3.2 or above in Matriculation would be able to go to collages that are not recognized. Upon completion, no diploma or certificate is issued to prevent them leaving the country.

            Employment

            Derg: Eritreans can be hired for salaried or wage employment. They were subsidized to contribute for old age pension.

            PFDJ: No formal employment except in rare cases. Slavery wages of 900 Nakfa per month. No benefits for retainment.

            Immigration:

            Derg: except in areas of active combat, Eritreans never intended to leave in mass. Many also applied for VISA, scholarships and went aboard Ethiopian Airlines.

            PFDJ: Half a million Eritreans escaped the country in short time, with unbelievable tragedies, huge refugee camps, nobody would want to stay in the hell on earth called Eritrea. No Visa or any means of formal travel except for select few.

            Social welfare:

            Derg: low income Eritreans received subsidized basic necessities efficiently through a qebele shops system. These went on right until the Derg left.

            PFDJ: If it was not for diaspora remittance, Eritreans would starve in far worse scale than the great Ethiopian famine. Retawi shops only offer 2 pieces of bread per person at a cost.

            So, over all, life post independence (due to PDJ) was devastated and it would be an insult to Col. Mengistu to be compared with the savage IA”.

            That is Government in Exile on steroids.

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Semere,

            Just for the record:

            Asmara population:

            1989 —- 343, 000

            1990 —– 358, 000

            Population growth —- +4.37%

            The refugees were the ones uprooted by the war, which IA later refused to resettle them.

            Today, no one knows the population count because no census has been taken in 24 years. Possible reason being to hide the depopulation that is going on.

            From your data:

            145, 000 refugees in Wed-Sheriffe at the hight of civil war

            200,000+ in Ethiopia seeking refugee status in 2021 under no war. and 500, 000 refugees 2010 – 2015 – second highest in the world next to Syria at the time.

            Thanks for showing how Col. Mengistu increased the population of Asmara while fighting heavy war.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam HaileTG

            “Thanks for showing how Col. Mengistu increased the population of Asmara while fighting heavy war.”

            Again According to Dawit Weldegergis’s book – Red Tears – in 1974 the Asmara population was 200,000. In 1989-1990, when the population of Asmara was 90,000, think how many of the 90,000 were Ethiopians – military men and women in uniform, their support staff, government operatives, and their families.

            N.B. According to Google search, today’s (2021) Asmara population is 998,000 pushing a million.

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Hey Semere,

            I was there! Men ynger, z’weale, men yerd’E zqebere. Please, get hgdef book to support your claim. Derg Col. Dawit is writing for his people.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam HaileTG

            “I was there! Men ynger, z’weale, men yerd’E zqebere. Please, get hgdef book to support your claim. Derg Col. Dawit is writing for his people.”

            OK, OK, my bad!
            በል’ስከ ንገረና። ኣበይ ኢኻ ዊዒልካ?

            Semere Tesfai

          • haileTG

            Ha ha Semere,

            Seriously funny! Well, not stealing pans and pots. That is for sure:)

            I have seen life under Derg and PFDJ. I am telling you the truth and nothing but the truth 💯

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            If Asmara’s population was 501, 203 in 2018 (Wikipedia), aren’t you telling us that its population grew by 99% in three years, when you say it is 998,000 in the current year of 2021? And this statistics is when the entire reproductive Human Resources are in the trenches and Sawa camps for two decades. Does this sound correct to you?

            Regard

          • haileTG

            Hey Aman,

            I don’t think he can decipher that so let me help. The data was last collected in the 96/7 census. The UN population prospects statistical department makes projections and update those projections based on census counts. Because Eritrea hasn’t done population count, the google result is a projection based on the 96/7 census. So, earlier years (including during Derg) are more accurate, while the 2000 and after projections are wayyy wrong. They don’t factor in the decimation that took place of the Eritrean people in the last two decade.

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Semere T – In the Left Corner
            Haile TG – in the Right Corner
            Derg – Center and Front
            Guad Abi- Ringside, enjoying 🍺
            Ato ???- in the Wrong Corner ( as always)

            Coming up, Round three of Twelve !!
            ህዝበ አዋተ ጥጋችሁን ያዙ!!

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            I don’t understand why you copy Haile’s whole comment, if you can’t argue point by point or statement by statement. Does it has any purpose doing that? When I read your comment ( that compromise 3/4 Haile’s comment and 1/4 yours) towards the end, it does not address to all the statements you copied from his comment.

            Regards

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat

            “I don’t understand why you copy Haile’s whole comment, if you can’t argue point by point or statement by statement. Does it has any purpose doing that?”

            What are you concerned about? If all he is telling is the truth, why should you worry about anything? He said it in writing for all to see, and I quoted him word for word exactly what he said. I don’t see the problem here.

            Aman: you’ve my full permission to quote me anytime – even to use my words against me. Word.

            Semere Tesfai

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Semere,

            In a normal debate format, debaters quote statement(s) of their encounters to rebut them. They don’t copy the entire comment if the comment itself is right there. If your intent is to argue on the statistics of the Eritrean refugees, you could quote his statement pertinent to it. Otherwise you are not helping your readers.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Aman,

            Semere just don’t like the truth and can’t refute it. You would hope he gives us examples about what has improved from Derg time except the end of the war and we would be happy to learn.

            Since he has never seen Asmara Bella for decades, let me update him:

            1- bikes and horse carts are main transport

            2- traffic lights are a thing of the past

            3- no internet connection for most part, except select places and some days

            4- if you’re a baker, your flour supply is weighed at 09 when you get them and then the breads you make have to be weighed before put the sale. 30 cents profit is allowed on one bread that cost 3nakfa.

            5 – people suspected by regime are simply picked up and their shops locked and cars taken away.

            6- cars are filled up in back streets from containers on contraband for about 24nakfa/lt (2019)

            7- sheep sellers are confiscated if they sell outside the sheep market compound. The confiscated sheep are taken for slaughter for sawa graduation. Meat is only served on graduation day in sawa.

            8- Sadly, due to difficult economic hardship many women are pushed to prostitution

            9- virtually 100 percent of young people ask for ways to leave the country

            10- It is illegal to paint or fix your property. People do so between 6am-9am and 12pm-2pm when the municipal controller are not at work. Also, you have to pay bribes.

            ……

            Semere can continue….

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            Bring them all the facts and the plights of our people on the ground. Eritreans are without admission of indirect learners. Have you ever met people who reject advices but indirectly adjudicating those advices without admittance?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HaileTG,

            I think you are losing me. I don’t know why the race to the bottom, I don’t understand. I realize now, the PFDJ and TPLF did a number on us, as we lost our total confidence to see a future that’s better. It’s possible, it’s within us if we put our minds to it.

            I did not say there is no place for war under any circumstances, but it’s usually the last option. Incase of internal war (civil war) its consequences, aftermath is worse to contain. Our independence was a just war, after several years of peaceful resistance where they kept escalating to the point where the entire low lands left the country and become refugees. And there was clearly demarcation between the two warring parties. Thirty years is a long time to wage a war, and our independence came at a huge cost, not only human and material but the opportunity cost. Add to that the last 30 years, it’s beyond devastating.

            What we have in Eritrea today is dictatorship, they same dictatorship many countries before us have experienced. Ethiopians had during the derg. It’s known fact that most dictators ruin their countries, although the degree differs from country to country and dictator to dictator.

            Stalin was a very bad dictator, so was Mao or Kim of Korea and many in Africa and Arab world. We have probably one of the worst. So I think we are in agreement here, you are not debating with Semere Tesfai:).

            What I am arguing against is, using external forces (among other things, the TPLF have a score to settle, it’s not like the US, operation restore democracy kind) but an enemy that’s determined to pay the wrong that’s done (ሕነ ክፈዲ), so the outcome is anyone guess, but it will be very consequential to Eritrea and Eritreans. .

            On top of that, PFDJ is not a lame duck as it has clearly proven what it’s capable of in the fight against the TPLF armed to it’s teeth with the thousands of soldiers. And if you want to rise the Eritrean people and line themselves with PFDJ is having an external enemy called TPLF. From strategic point of view, it’s a gift to PFDJ, it needs an enemy to survive.

            And remember the Eritrean Defence Forces today are not made of EPLF tegadelti. Let’s say if the youngest veteran was 20 years during liberation, now he is at least 50 years old. I would not be surprised if there are even 10% of the army who are former EPLF tegadelti who are capable of fighting other than top leaders. The current Eritrean army are battle hardened, who know nothing but hardship, and survive it. TPLF or their youth who probably had the best life in Ethiopia, spoiled with what ever the country to offer are not exactly a match. Not to mention the heavy arms, air capability it has.

            Even if armed struggle is the choice, the odds are stacked against us and it will be a monumental task to overcome.

            Another fact is, this is just simple talk but not much a reality. Of those of us, who are advocating for it, probably less than 2 out of 10 would actually volunteer and go fight. Those in Tigray and other places, staying there and fighting is probably the last thing they chose for.

            However a non armed resistance would turn the odds against the regime and it will be in our favour. I will be happy to put some thought to it and share next time.

            Now let me end this with a realistic example. Let’s say Yemen was under dictatorship ship before the war. But relatively speaking, it was serving.

            They started really well with the Arab spring and outside actors got involved and turned into a conflict. Now it is turned to Middle Ages, totally destroyed and ruined.

            Do you think even if those resisting come out victorious, Yemen is better off than it was before?

            On the other example we have Tunisia, which was under dictatorship as well. They used non armed resistance and few weeks later the president packed and left. Now it has transitioned successful to democracy.

          • haileTG

            Hey BY,

            Thanks, actually you answered my question at the out set. I was trying to find out the extent to which you identify with none violent struggle. Correct me if I misunderstand, I gather that you prefer none violent over violent struggle, but you would also be open to it if the conditions are right and the war is “just”.

            So, in principle we may not be too different. In fact, most or all of the struggle thus far has been none violent in Eritrea and outside of Eritrea. Of course, there were some armed groups from time to time but not many.

            It is difficult to view IA’s regime simply as a dictator. In my opinion, there is something poisonous about it. But, then again, we never know may be that type of regimes have also occurred in the past. Given the suffering of the Eritrean people and the risk that is faced by the country due to the dangerous adventurism of IA, however, Eritreans, although none violent in principle, some may wish to have influence on potential violent change. You make, on the general, good points but I feel more on the theoretical side. PFDJ is not powerful, but highly manipulative, double face flip flop. Honestly speaking, it doesn’t have strong military standing. It is a depleted military with low moral and little popular support. Don’t discount the ENDF and Amhara special forces and UAE drones role in the fight. Otherwise, PFDJ spent the last 20 years crying and acting like lame duck, unable to threaten TPLF to withdraw from Badim.

            Regardless, the way PFDJ is going, it can invite war to Eritrea, then what? I personally prefer the Eritrean people focus on GiE. That way we have something ready when/if the regime falls. But also understand the suffering and misery of others and respect their right to resist in what they consider just war (as long as it is not sectarian or ethnic in nature).

            Thanks for taking your time to answer all my questions.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            The overwhelming majority of the opposition camp were fighting for three decades nonviolently. How long is long enough for these proponents of non-violence to transcend our struggle from nonviolent to violent? How long is long enough for them to leave the beast to devour our people for the sake of peaceful approach? Tell them to calculate the lives we have given in the last three decades (in his war of adventures, including those who are dying in the prison cells without seeing the court of justice, those who died in the high seas and deserts escaping from the beast, and those who are shot while they are escaping), we wouldn’t have given that number of sacrifice to root out violently this evil regime. Tell them with your diplomatic niceties, that we have given so many lives without giving pains to the regime. So it is time to say enough is enough and engage the despot with the only language he understand.

            Regard

          • Abi

            Hello Berhe
            In your ግራ የተጋባ response to ታላቁ ኃይሌ You proudly said, “ Our independence war was a just war…”
            HaileTG said Derg was a whole lot better than the current government.
            If you agree with him ( you have said something similar in different occasions), how do you justify the 30 years madness caused by affluenza ( you call it struggle or something like that) if the result is a total debacle? It is like “ትሻልን ፈትቼ ትብስን አገባሁ” ( divorced the better, married the worst)
            Now, don’t go around the globe just to come back with the millions times rehearsed response that your struggle was stolen by President Isaias.
            Your 30 years craziness was inherently wrong.

          • iSem

            Hi TG:
            Of course I will not mind when some one with impeccable logic adds value. Be my guest
            And what a beautiful comment: peace is not the absence of war. Eritrea was not at war in for the last 20 years but our people were never in peace

          • Bayan Negash

            Selam Haile TG and all,
            I’m following the two threads that you are the central figure in: (1) The racist attitudes of Eritreans towards Tigrayans; (2) Your use of some key indicators to argue how “life was much better for Eritreans under the Derg than PFDJ.” Under the second thread, you threw a curveball that I wanted to make sure I understood your question to BY right. You said, “Based on those and your non-violent stand, would you reject the war of independence and flag the latter up as a horrendous consequences of Eritreans opting for war to gain independence??”

            Are the two question marks here meant to stand for questioning whether the struggle for independence was worth it? I don’t wanna assume. If you would please clarify on this I’d appreciate it.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Bayan,
            Can I first correct you Haw Bayan, I am not arguing “Eritrean society is racist towards Tigrayans “. I am rather staing that highland Eritrea has long held, possibly generations, racism towards Tigrayans. I hope you make that distinction as there are many who may chose to misunderstand on purpose, especially on regime side. Now to your Q…

            Thanks! Far from it. In fact, Eritrean independence and the price paid for it hold highest value in my mind. The question to BY is to see if he was nonviolence advocate in principle or opportunistic. Not BY in particular, but the Eritrean justice struggle is really challenged by such mindset, including myself where we advocate a value without having any intention to apply it fully. The key reason appears to be fear of speaking the taboo. The question of working with Tigray need not require re-establishing or rediscovering basic facts that one benefits from working with one’s closest neighbor. But we spend so much time to do so because we are afraid to confront the truth. The examples of comparison of life under Derg vs PFDJ is to prove that life had indeed changed for the worse. So, to question BY if he see that to as supportive of his pacifism. But he said he believes in just wars, meaning pacifism was not adopted in principle, rather to shelter from perceived threat. So, the debate advanced to confronting the real issue of racism in highland Eritrea towards Tigrayans. This is not a second topic, it is the next level to my questions to ascertain
            BY’s commitment to pacifism.

            My intention is to have us believe in the truthful state of affairs and therefore be productive in what we do. If someone wish to work with Tigray, they also need to pay heed to this huge problem and find a way to address it. If not interested to work with Tigrayans, that is also understandable due to the known backslash you would avoid from highland Eritrea by doing so.

            Finally, PFDJ exploited this racist sentiment to the hilt as all opposition are called woyane (Tigrayans by implication) knowing full well the reflexive racial undertones will favor it.

            Thanks Bayan for asking. Just to sum up, no I don’t question our independence and the threads you noted are actually one (although I understand what you mean).

          • Bayan Negash

            Many thanks kbur Haw Haile TG for promptly responding to my questions. I am just not sure if it is a good idea of coupling the racism issue you raised with the situation we find ourselves in, you know, with the war being still active and all. The highland culture I grew up in has a lot to work towards improving its approach to those we consider outsiders.

            Outsiders can be Yemenis, or Tigrayans. They can be internal ones like Sahos or Tigres or Kunamas who moved to the highlands for whatever reasons. So, we definitely need to do a great deal of introspection in this regard. Believe you me I know it, I’ve lived, I’ve heard it, I’ve seen it, I’ve used it myself growing up when I was adolescent where we used to taunt a beggar, mind you, he could barely see. We would pull by his netsela so we can hear the words of seHabuni gotetuni with a distinct Tigrayan accent. All he was doing was begging. Writing about it now makes me cringe. At the time however it was accepted behavior and no adult that I could recall had stopped us then.

            So, our highland culture’s perpetual tendency of “othering the other” is something that I wholeheartedly agree needs some serious contemplation and open discussion in a much larger setting than, say, this forum.

            I am a bit resistant to the idea of applying racism as we know it in the West the the question at hand. I can’t say for sure if it is as systemic as racism is in the West. Racism in this country has foundational structure at every sector of the society, where African Americans are kept at bay. The N word, for example, has had over 400 years of history encompassed within it. It can hit an African American like a ton of bricks when someone who has power uses it versus, say, a homeless person using that epithet, it would have no weight whatsoever. One would dust it off not even bother to give it any mind nor respond to someone who has no power. Therefore, there is the power component to consider. Tigrayans had immense power for the last 27 years running Ethiopia to make headways in this regard, save the last two. To a great extent, our Tigrayan brothers and sisters have gotten the respect they deserve because they showed Ethiopia and Eritrea they can run an efficient machination, again, save the colossal political blunder they made toward end of their reign.

            At any rate, right now, in such a toxic environment, it would be very difficult to have any kind of dispassionate conversation about it. Polarization is running way too deep. Decoupling it from the politics of war and discussing it in a social context might prove to be much more productive, me thinks.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Dr Beyan,

            Does racism necessarily be “systemic” only? Should racism necessarily exhibited side by side with segregation? Isn’t the US racism one of example of the many? Does racism should exhibit all its “characteristics” to call it racism? I am afraid of giving different definition to racism when it comes to ours.

            Regards

          • Bayan Negash

            MerHaba kbur Haw Amanuel,

            Thank you for posing these strings of questions which will further the discussion of this very important social issue, which can find its way to other parts of social sectors as in economics, education, employment, social and political cohesiveness and thus to the harmony of a nation. Therefore, I will respond to each as enumerated below at length:

            1. Does racism necessarily should be “systemic” only?

            Racism need not necessarily be only systemic. But diagnosing it accurately would have to be the first thing that must be done so as the right prescription is administered to the social ailments that our society suffers from. Otherwise, we will be shooting in the dark without identifying the object of our target. That’s why before we can initiate a discussion on the matter, we ought to be on the same wavelength on the concepts we are attempting to have a discourse in. For example, if we arrive at the notion being considered not systemic, then, it would be a benign type, thus, would require a different approach in solving it.

            If it is systemic, then, we would have to dismantle every institution, to the extent that there are institutions, however many, we must revise and uproot those elements that are causing the social malaise. So, that’s why it is critical that we identify the problem. Partly, due to this that I hesitate to give it as a loaded name as racism.

            2. Should racism necessarily exhibited side by side with segregation? Isn’t the US racism one example of the many? Does racism should exhibit all its “characteristics” to call it racism?

            Racism and segregation are two different things. To arrive at racism there is an inherent desire to be segregationist. Vice versa, however, won’t necessarily be true. For example, in a social setting, an individual can choose to socialize with the community that he/she draws comfort from. Where I live there are various pockets of communities living side by side, the largest of which is Little Saigon. Now, they chose to segregate themselves from the mainstream culture, but they function very well within the larger communities in which they coexist. They interact with the larger communities at work, in school, in many other social settings. But one can hardly call them racists. They don’t wield the kind of power required to be racists anyway. If they try it would fall into the benign category. Power is one inherent component that gives racism its potency.

            3. I am afraid of giving different definition to racism when it comes to ours.

            I share your concerns, Aman. And “I am afraid of giving” a wrong diagnosis to our social maladies. It is easy to label but if it turns out to be a case of mislabeling then the outcome could be even worse. I’m of the opinion of let us explore it further before hastily labeling our social dilemmas, that’s all. For example, HTG had mentioned in one of his comments goes back for generations.

            There the ምርሳሕ of our ዓጋመ heritage is nothing than insulting ourselves by the way (it may not be from that particular part of Tigray, but anyone worth his salt who considers himself to be a highlander will go back to Tigray – like it or not). Essentially, we are insulting our own history.

            At any rate, othering the other is rampant in our region. The animosity that ራስ ወልደስላሴ and then ውቤ introduced through inter-awraja wars between ሰራየ፡ ኣከለጉዛይ፡ ሓናሴን still persists today, we are now seeing it virtually in various social media settings. We’ve seen a hint of it in the burial of the late Adhanom. Therefore, I have a very serious reservation of the መቀናጀውቲ ህውሓት fearing they have other ulterior motive as they adulate the latter, they are unleashing hate toward everything ከበሳ or Eritrea at the same time. The easy way to undo Eritrea is through ከበሳ. Without the latter there can be no Eritrea and they know it. That’s why I chose to bring the issue in an article form in hopes of having a genuine discussion about this sensitive yet critically important topic.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Merhaba Doctore,

            Thank you for answering my questions. Now I will not contest the historical background of racism in Eritrea for I am not a student of history. But I can argue on the existence of it in our society for I was observing some characteristics of racism from my childhood to my adulthood. I confess I was part of that cultural behavior, until I joined the army struggle, that changed my entire social and political outlook – which is one of the two thing I learned from the field, the other of being familiarized with the building blocks of our society – our social groups.

            Doctore, in your response to one of my question you have said : “if we arrive at the notion being considered not systemic, then, it would be a benign type …….”. Please allow me to disagree with your premise. When different characteristics of racism are not systemic (not institutionalized) and when we see them singularly they might be benign or not. By that it means they are not necessarily benign. Let me give you one distinct characteristic of racism. Showing “social superiority” to other social group or ethnic is racism. The Eritrean Christian highlanders pronounce their social superiority openly in their daily talks and communications. It is not even subtle – they proudly say it on their face. “እዞም ሰሓብቲ ገመል: እዞም ዕርቃኖም ዝወጸ ዓጋመ ….. ወዘተ are common derogatory epithets they always utter in their daily lives. Superiority complex is in their psychic and are not benign to say the least. The worst thing is we are conditioning our children to say it, if you notice what the 14 years old child had said when she went to the refugee camp – “ረሳሕ ክዳን ተኸዲነ፡ ዓጋመ መሲለ እየ ተሳጊረ::

            Second, on the concept, I do believe that we are in the same wavelength so far. Thank you again.

            Regard

          • haileTG

            Selamat Aman and Bayan,

            Great discussion! I have a small angle to brother Bayan’s correct evaluation of “power is a key component of racism”. Such power transaction can be said to exist in the highland-Tigray context directly and indirectly. On the direct sense, it influences economic interactions, social mobility and social credibility. If you listen to Amanuel Sahle in the video Desbele shared, his decision to work in Tigray was reason, he said, for many to think that he is no longer Eritrean. Imagine the damage that has on his work and development as an Eritrean philosopher? On the indirect sense, power derives from agency for representing social groups. PFDJ, and some opposition included, quickly deny those who are perceived to have open minded approach to the relationship by simply refering to them as woyane, anti-Eritrea, treasonous and you name it. So many such Eritreans are pitted against the populace for no other reason except visiting Tigray or meeting one Tigrayan official or the likes. Clearly, there is huge costs in terms of power depending which fence you’re on. Hence, my brief interjection here to add to your superb discourse on the topic.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት

            ጁባን ሓንጎልን ‘ንተመሊአን
            ክብረት
            ከይወዓለት ከይሓደረት
            ትስዕበን
            ድኽነት ጁባን ሓንጎልን ‘ተዓብሊሉ
            ክብረት ክርከብ ኣበደን
            ነዚ ዘይፈልጥ
            ተልመደን

            ዝያዳ ዝኸፈአ ድኽነት ሓንጎል’ዩ ‘ሞ: መዓልታዊ ምንባብ ንፍቶ።

          • Bayan Negash

            Dear Brother Amanuel Hidrat, Haile TG, & all,

            The pleasure of having constructive conversation bereft of the vicious ad hominem attacks that perpetuates Eritrean social and political discourse is the most gratifying to me personally, hopefully, to those who are reading the exchange. Well, we know Haile TG is happy with it – that amounts to many more like minded individuals as well.

            The evolution of your views when you went to the fields of Eritrea to fight for independence is one absolute space in which the kinds of prejudices and biases, we held get tested. It speaks to your willingness to examine assumptions, conjectures, premises, and dispose those ideas that have no currency. Mine started in Cairo during my middle school years, continued on in the US. Be that as it may and being pressed for time, I’ll leave it at that for now. Certainly, this is a topic that should be discussed ad infinitum because prejudices, discriminatory behaviors, racism, etc., are made to eradicate via discourses of this type but at a much more wider setting.

            Hopefully, someday in the near future, we would be able to have a convention that deals solely with the topic at hand, that would encompass not only between Eritreans and Tigrayans but the rest of Ethiopia as well. We focus too much on our differences rather than in our similarities, which far outweighs it. In our entire region, we have much more in common than we care to admit.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Brother Bayan,

            Very thoughtful! As you noted, we all been there and hopefully we would come to realize it more with time and correct it going forward. It is true that the topic is a whole lot complex worthy of learning and researching more. The main reason for bringing it up at this junction is however for cost saving purposes. Although, PFDJ used the sentiment to a maximum effect in order to subdue opposition to its barbaric rule, sadly many in the opposition feel, genuinely in my opinion, the bogyman is real and go as far as severing ties with their fellow justice seekers. So, I thought to give the premise, i.e. fear of Tigray, a run for its money. I wanted to demonstrate that the monster is really nothing more than our crafty imagination that was lead astray by societal norms that inculcated those forms of “otherizing”. Fear, when rationalized, is crafty. The only thing we need to fear is fear itself. By getting people to reflect on the fact that our conditions has gotten mired on abject poverty and our fear of others have grown disproportionately, my hope is for us to reduce the fear and uplift our status. It is not meant to address and resolve the issue per se, as that requires great men and women of wisdom and foresight, rather stem the unnecessary bickering and self destructive and mutual suspicions amongst different camps of justice seekers. This was an effort to increase the space for unity by deconstructing myths and social conditionings. So, I agree with you that at this time we are not in a position to resolve the issue of “otherness” in this context, but by recognizing its impacts and costs, we would be in a better position to face our common reality.

            Thanks

          • Bayan Negash

            Kbur Haw Haile TG,

            As usual, well said. I wouldn’t add anything to it other than to acknowledge of my concurring with the viewpoint you shared here. Many thanks, brother. I don’t know how you do it, but please keep on enlightening us, teasing us intellectually, arousing therefore our intellectually capacity to expand. Truly appreciate your return to the forum at this junction.

        • iSem

          Hi BY:
          You cannot stop because the logic is not making sense to you, logic has its own life, there is innate truth bugging you haha
          Your question is excellent, though premise is wrong, that is civil cannot be halal one and haram in other, but am not advocating for civil war and the removal of TPLF is not surgical.
          Later, I will elaborate on your question, clarify things
          But until then I invite you to ponder on what Saleh Gadi said in response to your “war against your brother.”

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat (TG),

      The despot is successful to plant a deep rooted enmity between the two people who are destined to live side by side. The scars of the carnage and the perpetual mass massacre of civilians for six months and continues, will live stained in the memories of all Tigrain generations, who witness this unfortunate history. An evil man with a medieval behavior, and who turned our country in to primitive age, also turned the people of Tigray to the same fate in six months. One hopes the west come to their rescue before it turns in to genocide of epic proportions.

      Regard

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      አይበገሬው የኢትዮጵያ መከላከያ ሠራዊት ሰሞኑን 320 የደደቢት ደደቦችን መደምሰሱን ይፋ አድርጏል::

      • haileTG

        haha Guad Abi,

        Bacha malet betigrigna qeld/ashmur malet ne’w:) bacha tenagere ende…:-)

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ቀዳምነት ዘጥፈአ ህዝቢ
    ውሽጣዊ ጸገም ገዲፉ
    ደጋዊ ዝርኢ
    ኣብ ደምበ ዘይጥዑያት
    ይዝምቢ

    ኣንጻር ስርዓት ዓዲ-ሃሎ ይብል
    ብ ኣፉ
    ኩልንትነኡ ግን ወያነ ዝብል ‘ዩ
    ጽሕፉ
    ከይብሎ ሃሪፉ
    ስለምንታይ?
    ከይሽልሞ ነፊዑ
    ብኸመይ?
    ‘ንታይ ደኣዩሞ ትርፉ?
    ኣነ’ውን ደንጽዩኒ

    ፋሕ-ብትን ሓሳባት
    ሸንኮለል ኣኩሮባት
    ሰብ ፕራግ ዶ ክንጽውዕ
    ሓደ ዘይኮነስ እኩባት

    ጸገም ሓስባት ክፈትሑ
    ንሱ’ውን
    ‘ንተታኻኢሉ
    ሎምዘበን ‘ንድዕሉ

    ከላእ! ኣረሲዕኩምና ግዳ
    ብሩኽ ዒድ ንኣመንቲ

  • haileTG

    Hello Awatista,

    Happy Eid for all! May the spirit of generosity and brotherhood of this wonderful celebration bless us all.

  • iSem

    Eid Mubarke Awate

    Why the butcher of Sahel always wins?
    IA and company always win against the dreams of generations of Eritreans, not because of their ingenuity but because of their bruteness and focus on their single goal to destroy Eritrea and also of their unequivocal acceptance of any support foreign or otherwise that can help them achieve their evil intention against Eritrea.
    Also, it is not the lack of good ideas that we lose. Any movement against PFDJ, from the 1972 movement to Alliance to Yikeal to GiE were and are superior to PFDJ in every aspect for the interest of Eritrea and for their creativity I can even go further, even the Agazian idea is far better than PFDJ despites its bigotry for Eritrea, in terms of the danger to poses against Eritrea. I have never found any group, movement or thinking from the beginning of Eritrea that is an existential threat to Eritrea than the PFDJ. I believe until we comes to terms to this hard, cold truth we will be in the vicious cycle for a long time.
    To my mind PFDJ has never been an Eritrean movement, and by extension EPLF. But this is not to say whatever good came from EPLF/PFDJ ( like some people point out to May 24) was by the dedication of Eritreans despite the obstacles by the EPLF brass who were silent when IA floated the idea of creating a common government with the TPLF. Think about that. For these who hate history, I say the present cannot be viewed without the history lens. Now this debate is reminiscent to the two decade old divinise debate we had: whether is right to receive help from TPLF to defeat PFDJ. The logic remains the same: Any help is kosher, halala to free oneself from slavery, after all despite what some Eritreans think, we are not the chosen people and God is not in rush to send Moses to liberate us from the Pharos.
    The logic remains the same: whatever makes IA stronger is bad for us and the alliance with Abiy and the weakening or demise of TPLF makes IA stronger. So alliance with whatever group is fighting IA is kosher and halal and sane and even prudent as it has been before. Go ahead poke holes on this logic. Oh, the notion that if TPLF rises they will point the gun to us. This has two glaring flaws: first we cannot tell the future, they may if the loonies helm or they may not, fear of the unknown is crippling, but moslty this fallacy is well designed speaking point by PFDJ and many are falling for it. It is balony. Second if they point their guns we can deal with them later, for all we know, in the future, all Ethiopian may unite against Eritrea, the Egyptians may unite with the Sudanese or even the Israelites may unite with the Medenites (Moses in laws) against Eritrea.
    To paraphrase Orwell and to make it easier to remember: what makes IA stronger is bad, what makes IA weaker IA good
    The innovation that Sal made on the GiE is excellent, like other ideas before it to remove PFDJ it will not fail because of its low quality but of how willing and committed we are to implement it. But whatever happens, it will elevate us, take us one notch to towards alignment. The alignment is the new focus Sal injected to the old idea of GiE: removing the flab of countless one person orgs and making it two org that represent Eritrea and that had longevity. A new twist on the head of the proverbial snake, the GiE will take the body and discard the poisonous head 😉

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Samray,

      Good to see you back and read your opinions – expressing them without reservations. These hypocrites, they are sold to the regimes propaganda. They were clapping for every alliance the regime had made, including the current one. For them “Alliance” is halal to him and a sin to the opposition camp. Until recently, they were defending to Issayas war of adventures, their looting schools, hospitals, their killing innocent civilians, their rapping – all this they will tell you, that it is for our national interest. Their shroud way of defending the regime, and every time we hear from these hypocrites is, don’t even shoot a single bullet at the army – the army that protect the institution of oppression. These individuals while they are clapping to die our young in wars that has nothing to do with the interest of our nation, they abhor wars waged that might liberate the Eritrean people from the grip of the despot.

      So you are right when you say “alliance with whatever group fighting (against) IA is kosher and halal and sane and even prudent as it has been before.” After all there is no war (except battles) they have won without making alliances. The war against ELF and the war against Derg are the living examples for the hypocrites.

      Regard

    • Berhe Y

      Dear iSem,

      ሃይለ፥ ሳይ ተማሒርኩም ኣለኹም፥ ኣብዚ ዝቃየቅ ረኺበ ኣለኹ:) in the words of Jende, comedian where a women wants to go to Shuq to find someone to fight (ነጻላይ ኣቀብሊኒ፥ ዝቃየቅ ስለ ዝሰኣንኩ ሽቅ ከይደ ክቃየቅ), and an elder person was passing by and heard her and said to her (ኣቲ ጋለይ፥ ካብ ቆዮቃ እንታይ ዝርከብ ኣሎ፥ ሰላም ዘይትገብሪ): and she said ግደፍዮ፥ ግደፍዮ፥ እቲ ነጸላ፥ ኣብዚ ረኺበ ኣለኹ::

      Good to hear from you and I am not sure this is in response to me, but I am taking the opportunity because I found someone ዝቃየቆ with:).

      But first I think it would be nice to have an understanding and may be clarification as you seem (and those who make the same argument like you) to (on many occasions) to not understand my position or others with the same position.

      Specifically you make it sound like as if those who oppose “the alliance of Eritreans with TPLF/ Tigray to fight common enemy” as if they are doing it defending PFDJ.

      To my mind PFDJ has never been an Eritrean movement, and by extension EPLF.

      Another point is, you and those like you, who believe that they posses, the ultimate thinking power and label anyone who does not agree with your view of going to war with their own people with the alliance of others as if people falling for PFDJ propaganda.

      But before I think I can respond or believe it’s worthwhile Shuq keyde kiqayeq, I would like to hear your honest thoughts.

      1) Do you think the Eritrean Army (the most majority who are Sawa recruits) IA army?

      2) If you have your own, son or brother in the IA Army, would you create an alliance with others where your own son and brother is on the other side and possibly get killed.

      Because it’s easy to say and let’s go and have civil war, but it’s different when the people who pay for it are your own, son, brothers and sisters.

      Let me answer the same question from my point of view.
      1) No. I do not consider the Eritrean army is IA army. They are, by far the most they are paying by IA and his adventures. They are victims like the rest of us, or even more.

      2) No I would not want to see my son, brother killed in a civil war.

      • Saleh Johar

        Hi Berhe,
        Regimes enforce their will through the national security forces. And these forces work to protect the region for which they work. All internal fighting is between compatriots on two sides of the confrontational line. Take the Commandis for instance, they were Eritreans but were defending the Haile Selassie regime. And the liberation forces had no qualms fighting them. Of course there was a consistent outreach to persuade them to change sides. Finally, they sides with the cause of their people. Imagine if the liberation forces stopped fighting the! What do you think the result would have been?

        Emotionally, I understand it tough to fight your own. But by the same token, the regime leaders are also our compatriots. But should we stop fighting them? The same goes to the army until they side with their people. However, as painful as it is, the regime forces are the ones jailing and abusing the people, everyone of them. When we say the regime, it includes the enforcers: the security forces, including the army. If you try to see it that way, maybe it will be clearer to you and the others.

        As far as alliances are concerned, I think it should look as if we are not fighting our own fight, Eritrean cause, not for other goals. That is what needs to be clear

        • Berhe Y

          Dear Saleh,

          Thank you for the interjection. I don’t think I have a problem of seeing it clearly. There are many arguments one can make what method of fighting is better or not. Without going too much into details, I believe the military option is the worst way to get change happen, in most circumstances. The change in Tigray is a perfect example, looking from both sides.

          1. I do think there is a difference between forced conscripted, and indoctrinated at age 16 (most of them) and those adult men who signed up to join the army and to serve. And if I am not mistaken, they have the option to withdraw (quite) if they do not believe in what they signed up for (I am guessing that was the case for the commandis). I do not believe the case of all if not the majority of the Eritrean army today have that choice.

          2. There is always degree and and difference. A regular low regular army (which his job is to take orders and execute) versus a high ranking officer is not the same. This is the reason in most civilized world, that the POW are usually set free, as they were fulfling orders given to them by their superiors. In most cases, they do not have choices or the only choice they have is i) to live or ii) pay heavy punishment. Most people (the most majority) given those choices, they do what they are ordered to do given the choices they have.

          3. War is ugly and I think it destroyed human capacity to think rationally. I think, mentally, it changes people outlook and value of human life. This is the reason, I think most in the western world, get mental health problems that results in suicide, depression. I think the Eritrean army is no different, but the problem is, the same people who have developed mental problem, continue to lead and become decision makers.

          4) I am not trying to make an excuse for the wrong doing and the suffering that’s being caused by the army, however, if I have the choice, I would take the persuasion the ELF took as the first choice and help them to side with their people, where you are a very good example.

          5) My disagreement in this argument is, the Eritrean who are fighting for justice want to create an alliance with outsiders (TPLF / TDF) in this case and want to fight their own people. Anyone who thinks the TPLF does not have their own agenda is just wishful thinking. And no body can guarantee where this alliance leads to and will it be to the best interest of the Eritrean people in the long term?

          I do believe there are equally if not a lot more people who do not want this “alliance” as it will be at the expense of Eritrean people lives and the country. It may defeat the dictator, but it can result in situations that is worst than it is. It’s best that, Eritreans manage their own affairs, because at the end, Eritreans have one agenda (at least on the future of the country) compared to others who may have other agenda that is designed to weaken and destroy the make up and the unity of the country.

          If they are convinced it is the only choice, then by all means no body will stop them. And those who are on the other side, should not waste time trying to convince them or allay with them thinking it’s the best way.

          Berhe

      • iSem

        Hi BY:
        I gave you a theorem by stealing from Animal Farm:)
        The emotional appeal is straw man argument: you are playing with the emotional part by invoking brother/son and civil war. No one wants civil war, period
        As to your question about the army whether it is IA’s: it is irrelevant. They are serving IA agenda, willing or unwilling. And people have choices, they can abandon it, am sure some think they are serving their country Whether they are IA’s or not, it is irrelevant, they are serving his agenda and though many are victims, it is not like, they have zero choices, they have infinites choices in fact. Those who are committing crimes, they are doing it by choice, they can choose not to do it. I believe people have choices for their actions.
        So by your logic: if your brothers are in the PFDJ army and the regime is destroying your people and the regime comes at you, you will play Jesus? If that is possible, it is good and you can tell me how to act like Jesus, in a formula like i did. If you are saying peaceful means that is different question. How about creating alliance with the enemy of PFDJ to remove PFDJ in peaceful manner.
        Do you agree in principle (without war/bloodshed) to create alliance with the enemy of PFDJ to remove it.
        So let me ask you this question for the 5th time:
        do you think IA becomes stronger or weaker by this current situation.
        The logic is not working: if the war makes IA stronger how does it help us?

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Sem,

          These invoking brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters thing is simply emotional trap. When forces of good and forces of evil are at war in collision, you don’t think about brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters. You can’t act like an angel in between the war. You just fight for your cause. If I were him, I will play the “Ras Tesema card.” You know what the “judicious “ did to his family member. Second there is no freedom without sacrifice however small or big might be. Freedom demands ultimate sacrifice of our best – the bacons of liberty and democracy.

          Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Amanuel,

            You can address me directly, why need to hire a lawyer. I agree, may the example I used was not appropriate. Rest assured I was not trying to trap emotionally anyone. As I mentioned to Saay yesterday, I watched the PBS video yesterday “Escape from Eritrea” and it convinced me that I am correct, that those that are abusing Eritreans are victims themselves. Like the child soldiers of Boka Haram or ISIS. They are forced in a situation they are in and it’s not of their making.

            Let’s agree to disagree and move on. You chose your way and give others like me to chose our way as well.

            One thing I would ask you to please stop for old time sake, ብጎቦን ሩባን ዐድና ክልምነካ stop accusing me that I am falling for the PFDJ and IA propaganda or that I wanted to see PFDJ survive or protected.

            As to Raesi Woldemichael story, I think I know and I am in no way to let any criminals go free without punishment that were found guilty in the court of law.

            Berhe

        • Berhe Y

          Dear iSem,

          So if you say, “no one wants civil war”, then can you explain what the alliance with “Tigray forces” and fighting along side mean?

          I subscribe you to watch Ghandi and how he was able to win against the British. Off course you are going to come up why that’s impossible and you will not spend 1% of your time to think “how to make it possible:)”. We have been on this path….many times…

          Let’s leave it and let’s go on our separate ways.

          Do you agree in principle (without war/bloodshed) to create alliance with the enemy of PFDJ to remove it? Yes, as long as the alliance has no strings attached.

          do you think IA becomes stronger or weaker by this current situation.

          Yes he becomes stronger, if you see from military point of view, he has one less military threat to deal with. But he becomes vulnerable to exploit. For example, if Tigray is free from TPLF and the boarder is opened and people can start moving in and out freely, then there is more chances to organize, exchange messages etc. The yiAkle movement was created as a result of IA making peace with Abiy and the people start demanding “change”.

          Berhe

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            Are we discussing peaceful vs violent struggle now? Any sane person will agree with peaceful means. that is not the debate, that is why I mentioned it as a different discussion.
            IA is strong both in military and political: no sanctions, and access to Ethiopia market, so everything is less stressful for him.
            So let us set the parameters of the debate instead from topic
            This discussions is not about peaceful or violent means. I tis whether collaborating with anyone to defeat our slavery is kosher?
            String attached? there is nothing for free, so when you say strings, what exactly do you mean by strings. When u collaborating with anyone you, they are also collaborating with you for their own interest so that is strings. If you mean you promise them abay Tgray, that is different thing
            But the fear mongering that they will point their guns to us later has no merit.
            The existential threat is PFDJ

          • Berhe Y

            Dear iSem,

            I was not jumping from topic to topic but I was responding to the questions you asked, at least that’s what I was attempting.

            It is whether collaborating with anyone to defeat our slavery is kosher?

            It depends. If it’s going to create a condition that’s is going to leave us worst than we are today and in the future, probably it’s not worth it. For example, let’s say ISIS is the enemy of IA and his regime. If they offer us their help to defeat their help, and in return they have their own plan, what that may be, knowing their history and their future, I would say NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

            Now you said, you think the Agazians are better than PFDJ. May be they are, but would you consider alliance with the Agazians to defeat the PFDJ and they are telling you, once we defeat the PFDJ, we will force or expel half of the Eritrean population or subjugate them to live under our conditions. Would you accept such help? I would not.

            The key is, I believe the only way we can guarantee relative peace and stability is, if we are determined, and hope and believe that it’s possible we can achieve what we want and desire in our own. Because from the alliance we lose more than we gain, and the biggest loss is, the trust of our people.

          • iSem

            Hi BY:
            So tell me what the Agazians did to Eritreans besides setting their vision of deporting some Eritrea etc and I can tell you what PFDJ did to Eritrea and Ertitreas. Agazian is a fringe movement, it may become main stream and that is not good idea. But right now, at this time, the danger is PFDJ not Agazian, not CIA, and not TPLF or Tigrayans.
            The Agazian or others, they can say what ever they want about their plan in the future. PFDJ is not threating what they will do to us, they are doing it. The comparison was to draw the attention at how PFDJ is an existential threat. Of course you do not want to collaborate with someone who is threatening to point the gun at you later even if he is bluffing because principle matters. And ISIS example.
            What I am saying is this: I agree with you on one thing: the rhetoric of some Tigrayans. But in principle as before, it is not wrong to collaborate with anyone, foreign, or domestic or aliens to remove the threat, we cannot obsess with little things while the elephant is destroying the meadow and making it desert.
            There is no guarantee of the future. Look, who would have thought that those who fought against the Amhara now would collaborate with them. There will always be betrayals, changing of alliances in politics and even life.
            One of the reasons why the butchers are winning is, they have no qualms of collaborating with any one to accomplish their goals.
            So with your logic: you are supporting the removal of TPLF as a first step in removing PFDJ and PFDJ is collaborating with the Amahara to do so. Can you see the flaw of the logic her here? Do you think both are doing it for free for the goodness of their heart to revenge what the TPLF did to Eritreans.
            I believe and have been consistent: The risk of Eritrean sovereignty and existence is high with PFDJ. I agree there is risk with collaborating with TPLF to remove PFDJ but the risk is less.
            I just remembered what Edward Saed said:” When I went to visit the house I was born in, Israeli family occupied it and asked me who I was.”
            So I am quite confident as I can glean from PFDJ record, if they stay longer, we will experience what Saed experience

          • Berhe Y

            Hi iSem,

            This is becoming circular argument and honestly I am wasting too much bandwidth, which is not my intention. Right now, the focus that I want to have is on GiE and anything else is a distraction. So for the last time:

            1) I know the damage the PFDJ has done to Eritrea. I do not support PFDJ and I want it wiped out from the face of the earth. But at the same time, I do not believe the US, the Agazian, the Tigray Tigrina, the TPLF or ISIS or anyone else to bring the desired change that I “emphasis I” want to see.

            2) I want a change that is designed, architected, build and implemented by Eritreans for Eritreans. Period.

            3) Those other Eritreans who think and have other ways to bring change, let them go and do their own way.

            4) Don’t try to shove the “alliance with Tigray” to bring change to Eritrea in my throat. You do not need my validation if you support ( I am saying you not particularly you but all of those Eritreans who believe in the same strategy). Do what you need to do….ዝገብር ነዲኡ ነይነግር.

            5) I am entitled to criticize the strategy and the method of struggle of others who I do not agree with, because I am a stake holder and it involves me, my family, my country. You have the the right to disagree with me, or criticize me, but trust that I have the right.

            6) TPLF, TDF, Oromo, Amhara or any other problems at the moment. I am not in any position to provide any support or any help. It’s all Ethiopia internal problems and I trust the Ethiopians to solve their own problem by themselves. I sympathize with the people of Tigray and other Ethiopians who are suffering in the conflict including Eritreans and I hope for better days.

            7) I do not support Eritrean army or Eritrean government involvement in the conflict in Ethiopia, other than what it concern it directly such as the launching of missile in it’s territory or returning land and property by following all International accepted norms and protocols.

            I want to end this discussion by stating the following. From all the Eritrean political organization that exist today(granted I don’t know them all), The Eritrean Democratic Homeland Party (EDHP) appeal to me the most. If you care to know why, here is a brief summary of their statement after their its last congress, and if you can read more in the article below.

            On October 2019, the then Eritrean Islamic Party for Justice and development (EIPJD), in the final statement of its 6th congress, announced that the party had adopted four major resolutions:

            1) Its transformation into an inclusive political party that accommodates all Eritreans.
            2) Pursuing its goal through peaceful means.
            3) Restricting its activities to only political sphere, preserving the right of individuals to Pursue other forms of activities as individuals or civic societies.
            4) Changing its name to the Eritrean Democratic Homeland Party (EDHP).

            http://awate.com/post-islamism-eritrea-matter/

      • haileTG

        Merhaba BY,

        Thanks for being candid with your feelings. Such a direct approach to concerns should be encouraged.

        Now a question:

        – given that Eritrean independence struggle and formal recognition would never have happened without external alliance, who do you see as our external alliance candidate this time? Would you rather it be that Eritreans should struggle alone?

        Thanks

        • Berhe Y

          Dear HaileTG,

          Thank you.

          It’s not going to be a simple answer or it would seem realistic, but Eritreans should get help from the whole if possible, but not help that would involve violence struggle. The help can come in many forms, be it granting refugee status, education scholarships, medical and education help in refugees camps, advocating at international community such as the UN, financial and advancement etc.

          Reason being:
          1) Its extremely costly, and you are fighting your enemy with something that he has huge advantage.
          2) It rarely works fighting internal enemy, in fact almost impossible.
          3) It does not guarantee to successful transition from dictatorship to democracy. The dictator gets replaced by another strong military and the cycle continues.

          I am sold on non violent struggle (since 2005, when I read the book of Gene Sharp, From Dictatorship to Democracy, even Dr. Daniel went to trouble to translate it to Tigrinya, and there is already the Arab version, sorry I am assuming you may not are aware).

          As it’s almost guaranteed way of success and to transition with least cost, not free but less costly. While it creates the needed change and transition to democracy, it creates very alert and capable well informed youth that will safe guard its success.

          I can tell convincing any Eritrean has been an absolute failure on my part:). Every person I spoke to, including my wife, they give me a million reason why it’s impossible but never spend one minute believing and thinking it can be possible.

          Since then I have read another book titled “Blue Print for Revolution” by Srdja Popovic, who claimed using Sharp book, overthrew Milosevich in Serbia and he was one of the student leaders.

          I had seen, young Eritreans such as Samson Solomon, Bakri, Abraham Fa with the hint of following similar struggle, but I think it has hit a dead end.

          True Eritrea is extremely difficult with lack of access to reliable to information, shutdown of university, no private press, very difficult to organize.

          But like most systems, this regime has vulnerablity that can be exploited. For example, there isn’t any ethnic group, race or religion that can safeguard and protected it to death (like in Syria for example) or external forces that would want it to stay in power because of their national interests. It has made enemy of everyone so it’s loyal guard is relatively very small.

          The huge military enterprise is a liability that can be penetrated, the symbolic ministry, the school system, etc.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            Hi Berhe,
            To me, you seem you are not coherent when it comes to this topic. Are you suggesting we should pray and wait till the dictator dies?

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Mehandis,

            Well if you ask which part that I am not coherent, I can try to explain. You can read the books I suggested, and you may be able to have better understanding. But if you know how to pray እንተገርካዪን : እንተኺእልካዮ it will definitely help. But your prayer should be “how to free yourself” and not how others to free you.

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ኣንታ በርሀ

            ኣይሰማዕካን ዲኻ
            ንህልው ጳጳስ ኣፍሪሶም
            ሓድሽ ጳጳስ ሶኺዖም
            ከምዝተባህለ?

            ጸሎተይ ከመ’ሉ ክሰምር
            ናይ ትግርኛ ጸሎት ከምዘይሰርሕ
            ዝሕብር
            ቅድሚ ሒደት መዓልታት
            ብመንገዲ ቅናት ኣደይ ማርያም
            ወሪዱ ካብ ሰማእታት
            ዶ ‘ተባህለ?

            ሰመዐት እዝኒ

          • Berhe Y

            ስላም ሀንዲሻ

            ጌጋ ይኽኣለይ እምበር : ነቲ ፀሎትካ ክንድ ዕጽፊ ደሪብካ ወስኸሉ ምበልኩ አነ:: ነቦና ጳጳስ ከአ አዋጽኦ ክገብረሎም አብ ፀሎትካ አይትረስዓዮም::

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላም በርሀ
            ‘ዘን ኣበርቲዕካ-ዕጽፊ-ዝያዳ-ተጊህካ ስራሕ….ዝብላ ቃላት ኣይመባልዕተይን።
            ደቅስ-ተዛነ-ንጭረም… መስልቲ ‘የን መስጉምተይ።
            ሓደ ዓርከይ ይብለንስ:- ሳላ ትህኪትካ ናትካ ጸሎት ምስበጸሐ ኔሩ ይብለኒ። ሓጸርቲ ጸሎት ማለቱ ‘ዩ።
            በል ክፍትን ‘ተተመስለልና።

          • Saleh Johar

            MM,
            ይሕጸር ይንዋሕ ዘዘለካ ተወከፍ’ዩ ነገሩ ኣይተስተዋሕዶ: እንታይ ‘ፍለጥ::

          • Barrole

            Hello MM,

            Why are you twisting what Berhe is saying instead of answering what country got a functioning democracy using violence by an external force?

          • haileTG

            Selam Barrole,

            Japan(WWII), Germany (WWII), Bosnia and Herzegovina(1990s), Serbia (1990s), Sierra Leone (2000s). There are many others that have been stabilized post conflict as well.

          • Barrole

            Selam Haile TG,

            I disagree, except to some degree when it comes to Germany and Japan. After WW2 the world changed dramatically and to say Japan that is perhaps the world’s most homogeneous people developed a democracy thanks to an outside force is wrong, in my opinion.

            They built and developed their respective country after the war.

          • haileTG

            Hey Barrole,

            Do you mean those countries I listed are still at war or didn’t get a relatively functioning democracy? A bit confused on which one it is you disagree.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat (TG),

            Your debate on all fronts is amazing, specially with the proponents of “home sit political prayers” to free our people from the brutal dictator. Keep enlightening them with examples, though there is always denials to the “elements of truth” in politics, where some are taking it as their modus operandi. Did I read Japan and Germany are not at peace?

            Regard

          • Barrole

            Selam Haile TG and sorry for the delayed response,

            I am sorry to say, but you are being intellectually dishonest and using logical fallacies.

            Comparing Eritrea with Germany, or Japan is outright impossible for several reasons that are too hurtful to mention at it feels like I’m attacking my own who never have been given a chance to blossom.

            As Berhe pointed out, you should look towards Libya, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan to make a fair comparison, although some of those countries were fairly developed prior to the wars that sent them back to the Middle ages.

            Bringing up former Yugoslavia should be done to mention every negative outcome for our coming struggle to liberate Eritrea and not imaginary positive ones that are far, far from reality. I grew up with them and have seen them kill each other and burn each others restaurants since I was a kid.

            I believe in different ways to topple the government and it doesn’t include external forces. You see, as much as I am attracted by the idea of Tigringa/Tigray, for personal reasons, I believe it can be detrimental to the other ethnic groups in our country, at least at this point in time. I believe in my ide wholeheartedly and know it can be successful, but it takes putting differences aside for the common good of our people. Knowing our people, that is sadly easier said than done.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba Barrole,

            That is no problem, I am glad you came back.

            Now to your point, what comparison would be intellectually honest? There are two sets of outcomes and you seem to believe that we should only look to the bad outcomes to stay intellectually honest!

            Ok, I will play it safe so that you would not say it is unfair comparison:) I will compare Eritrea to Eritrea. I am sure you would not say that is unfair comparison. Think of the last foreign intervention Eritrea had which resulted in the British administration. Through out that time Eritreans, for the first time, had parliamentary system, reasonable political space, peace and progress. Eritrea only saw two Muslim – Christian conflict throughout that decade which was amicably resolved by the then Church and Mosque leaders. The problem was that many Eritreans in the lowland wanted independence and many in the highland were unionist. The rest was history. However, the British intervention didn’t create the type of civil strife some imagine.

            Ultimately, the outcome of external intervention is highly dependent on the internal polarizations. Libya (eastern issue), Syria (Suni-Shia issues), Somalia (clan issues)… In those places where external intervention worked, there were less internal polarizations. Eritrea doesn’t have deep polarization as for example Ethiopia. So, it is a candidate to be a country that would not fall apart under such circumstances. In fact, PFDJ sings Hade Libi, so do many opposition. So, where is the deep polarization that would lead to orgy of all out violence?

            It is intellectually dishonest and plain falsity to argue all interventions ended up making things worse. Now that I have compared Eritrea vs. Eritrea, I hope you will not find a room to swing a cat 🙂

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat (TG),

            To enhance your argument I will cite some interventions that has brought a positive conclusions:

            (a) The United front of the Tanzanian army and the opposition forces of Uganda ousted the despotic rule of Idi Amin.

            (b) The United front of the Bengalese liberation in the Eastern province of Pakistan ( known as East Pakistan) and the Indian army ended to the creation of new state Bangladesh.

            So not all interventions are bad.

            Regard

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HaileTG,

            I think Amanuel example of Uganda is probably the better example of successful execution of military intervention that some how succeeded. Although replaced by a rebel turned “democrat” who has been in power by changing the constitution multiple times to benefit him, jailing opponents, controlling the economy and political power is hardly a model one can brag about. Even then, Tanzania had a clear case of responding to the attack and invasion initiated by Idi Amin. It did not do it so it can bring “democracy” to Uganda or “regime change” it was an accident that happened.

            Even in that case, although there is some parallel between Eritrea and Ethiopia, I am afraid that opportunity was lost when Melles was the PM and Ethiopia was a lot more stable / secure, just like what happened in Somalia.

            I just want to touch on Japan /Germany intervention by the US and alias. The US did not go to war to bring “democracy or replace the government in power” but forced to enter to war to defend its interests. Now those in power lost (in germany, and surrendered in Japan), if they didn’t attack pearl harbour, the US was reluctant to enter the conflict. The lost close to half a million to do that, and they did it for themselves.

            The reason I bring this up, because you brought the British Invasion of Eritrea (under Italian colony). The British did it for themselves and not on behalf of Eritreans, they were worried when musolini sided with Germany that Italy will aid Germay to blockade the Red Sea so it loses its supply line from India for the war that was going on in North Africa. As Michela Wrong book title said “I didn’t do it for you” if not mistaken the British soldier told Eritrean welcoming the British. This example fits exactly to the Germany / Japan example. The Eritrean people were not in conflict with anyone except those who were Italian soldiers and acted as they were ordered.

            The stability that followed during the British Administration or the during the Italians, were because there was nothing to “conflict” about in Eritrea during those times. If you have seen for example, the number of schools in Eritrea between Muslims / Christians, or the number of students was almost the same, everyone did relatively well during that time.

            The issue of conflict come about when religion and divisions come into play.

            I am a Christian and I am an Orthodox and from the high lands. My father was too young to have a say and my grand father was already died during the war in 1936 so I don’t have a good personal example to share. But until this day, I fail to see, what was the main reason the Eritrean Christians wanted to unit with Ethiopia desperately. What was there for them that they could not get without uniting with Ethiopia?

            You see this is the parallel that I want to draw with the current “alliance” that we need to make. It was all for the benefit of Ethiopia and nothing in return for Eritrea.

            Today “alliance with Tigray” is nothing more than that. For the sole benefit of Tigray and Tigray only. Those Eritreans who are advocating this, are doing the same thing out for fathers have done (tricked by Ethiopia them and Tricked by Tigray/ TPLF now).

            At least Greater Ethiopia had some appeal, but country, economic advantage etc, but what exactly is Tigray has to offer.

            I am not going to deep to argue this false “hope” that the TPLF is capable of bringing. It would be a miracle to see it is able to free Tigray and get control of the region, let alone to free Eritrea.

            So let me ask you this? Suppose change using military for intervention is possible. Can you play out the scenario, who will be the actors and how do you think it’s going to play out. What would be the collateral damage and how long do you think it will take? Instead of arguing on hypothetical “አብ ሰማይ ዘሎ ደበና”, please provide the RISK factor.

          • Barrole

            Selam Haile TG,

            Thank you!

            I have room to swing a zoo, because you’re doing it again.

            Divide and conquer is the oldest play in the book, and it works every time. You are excluding, or denying, the Eritrean division claiming we don’t have the same problems as Ethiopia knowing full well that the only benefit IA brings to the country is status quo.

            “Hade Hizbi Hade Libi” only works when there is equality, which is lacking according to many none Tigringa ethnic groups. Also, you now have those who want to single out Hamasien as the root cause of everything evil. Pun intended…

          • haileTG

            Hey BY,

            I haven’t read those books, thanks for sharing them with us. I would like to follow up with another two questions if you wouldn’t mind:

            1 – You prefer the help to be sought to be mostly around social welfare and humanitarian support. I am sure many Eritreans would benefit from that. How would Eritreans languishing in jail, youngsters who are robbed their lives and our people under terrible oppression at home benefit from that type of struggle?

            2 – If Eritreans don’t seek outside help, would you support them to wage a violent war on their own to get their rights back?

            Thanks brother

          • Barrole

            Hello Haile TG,

            I will partake with my own opinion on the subject when it comes to the second question, if you don’t mind.

            Yes, if the people wage war against the regime, then I would support a violent struggle.

            If outside help is used there must be safeguards in place to hinder unwanted advancements. Also, to garner the support of the Eritrean people in particular, then some of the safeguards should be public to reassure them and to have them take part in the coming struggle.

          • haileTG

            Hi Barrole,

            I agree and I even go further than that. For example, if I tell you I will unite with TPLF to fight IA regime, then I need to come to a press conference with representatives of TPLF whom I am claiming they would come and fight with me. What we have at the moment is that only the Eritrean group is announcing coordination and never heard from those who are supposed to be coordinating with them. How do we know it is legit? You can’t have a wedding without a groom and a bride, both must be present. We only have the bride at the moment 🙂

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            How do you say “ The Runaway Groom” in Tigrinya?
            “የፈረጠጠው ሙሽራ” is the closest in Amharic.

          • haileTG

            Hey wendim Abi,

            The alleged groom has never been seen proposing, nor did he approach the bride’s family for her hand, he is known to have been publicly talking about his unwillingness to get involved with her. The problem is our daughter who keep announcing a wedding date and her siblings refusing to help their family believing that the bogus claim by their sister is true.

          • Haile S.

            Selam MoKsi and Abi,

            I thought the marriage was between ELF and EPLF. Even, I remember designing the invitation card. But now it looks ménage-à-trois (household of three). Will it be as delicious as the Cabernet Sauvignon wine with the same name, is the question?
            It looks, MoKsi have tasted it. Abi try it for a change from Guinness.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ጂኔስ እንዲያደርገኝ ጊነስን ብሞክር
            ድንዝዝ ብዬ ቀረሁ ተወው የኔን ነገር!

          • Haile S.

            Abi,

            It is Friday, Eid is done, we can permit ourselves some song for the beautiful bottle (Jolie Bouteille), French, sorry. But also linked is the lyrics in english. I hope disqus is not retaining it for long, if it does.

            https://youtu.be/MX3dtE07I5E

            https://www.paroles-musique.com/paroles-Graeme_Allwright-Jolie_bouteille_sacree_bouteille-lyrics,p03312457

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ሜርሲ ቦኩ!!
            How is my French? Tell me it is ዦሊ!!
            Here is nice song for Friday evening.
            https://youtu.be/gxEPV4kolz0

          • Haile S.

            Abi,

            Merci pour la chanson, ዦሊ!
            Your french ኤት-ኤክሰላን!

          • Abi

            መምህር
            ግራዜ ሚሌ

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            ” ለሰርጏ ተጠራሁ ለሌላ ሲድሯት” አለ ፀግሽ ነፍሴ!
            ጉዳዩ ወዲህ ነው ወዳጄ!!
            የተሻለ ተገኝቶላት ጫጉላ ቤት ነች::

          • haileTG

            Hey Abi,

            Help me out with chagula! Then is the hbre qalu chagula biet?? ftaw ebakh 🙂 zendro beq’ne yeminagerun bezu…

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ጫጉላ ቤት አዲስ ሙሽራን የምትንከባከብበት ሁኔታ ነው:: እናንተ honeymoon የምትሉት አይነት:)
            በቃ ምን አለፋህ ስጦታው በላይ በላይ ይዥጎደጎዳል!!
            ጋቢ ትላለህ :ፈረስ ትላለህ:

            “ወይ ከደህና ተወለድ ወይ ከደህና ተጠጋ” ይላል ያገሬ ጮሌ::

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HaileTG,

            On point 1, I have not probably done good job explaining the active roles the Eritrean Diaspora / Youth can play. Helping them and guiding them advance in their daily life be it to further their education, get better employment, creating engaging and conductive community services etc that will help create a healthy and productive citizens who will participate actively in the in struggle for justice and become activists and advocates by coordinating with our youth back and all Eritrea stake holders. A best case scenario would be to convert all the yPFDJ, yAkle anyone else to help them transition to become justice advocates. In other words, the youth of Eritrea need to be able to see and believe in the vision of Eritrea they want to see. I don’t think always demanding “you have to sacrifice for your country” is always the motto.

            2. I think Barrole have taken up on this, but as I have said earlier, I will not personally support it. The reason being, it will not be effective and very destructive. I believe the non-violent means is the best choice. A lot of people confuse this, as if trying to spare, sympathize or safe their enemy. No far from it, it’s actually the same as going to combat / war but not using arms (as you will be disadvantage). For example, if you want to fight Mohamed Ali and defeat him, would you ask him to have a boxing match or you ask him to have a chess game (assuming Mohamed Ali doesn’t know how to play chess).

            You brought up the example of the US supported changes and based on the numbers:
            27 total, 4 worst off, 10, better and 13 the same. Without knowing who the counties are and their advancement, I don’t this can be considered a success. By this I mean, if you took just add the (4 + 13 for a total of 17) out of the 27 that’s about 38% success rate. Would fly in a plane if you have 38% of odds that you will land safely? I wouldn’t.

            Even in your example you gave, Japan and Germany. First I think the US was fighting those countries for it’s own interests and it’s not because it wanted to help them transition to democracy. I think the best example is all the intervention in our neighborhood, such as Libya, Iraq, Syria, Somalia and others. At the same time, we can look at many examples of successful transition when it’s done internally be the people without using arms/ violence.

            BTW, Serbia transition to democracy didn’t come because of the US bombardment. In fact, after the war it created a monster regime of Milosvic, when the youth and students used classical non-violent movement to oust him and transition to democracy. Tunisia is a another great example, I didn’t have a tally but it’s over 90% success rate. But it’s not easy and there is no short cut, but like everything else in life which is worth while and good doesn’t not come easy.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    It is another unique junction in the history making of our region and Eritrea. The time has never been so opportune and ripe for Eritrea to course correct and bury the nightmarish decades under the most brutal oppression in Eritrea’s living memory. As Eritreans were brutalized by Isaias Afewerki’s regime, the latter managed to paralyze the people from standing up against his brutality by incessantly threatening that Eritrea’s independence will be lost if action is taken to remove him. Eritreans, therefore, endured all forms of human rights violations, denied the right to govern themselves, reduced to sleep in borderland refugee camps, die at sea, their organs harvested in the deserts, their youth trapped in trenches and foxholes without education, jailed without court appearance and indefinitely, isolated from the world, sanctioned, children jailed into adulthood and beyond, mothers shot in front of their children attempting to flee the border on foot, and now underaged children being thrown into a war of no concern to them. All these was given to Eritreans because the removal of a dictator was sold to them to constitute loss of independence, a generational achievement attained at huge cost.

    The removal of the Isaias Afewerki regime is on the horizon. But more than that all the real or imagined fears are also invalidated by the latest turn of events in the region. It actually appears that the only determining factor whether Eritrea will finally free itself is the Eritrean populace itself, all Eritreans. Let’s see these concerns in turn and remember that they need not be real, regardless of being real or imagined, they have scuttled our unity all along:

    1 – TPLF will install puppet government and create greater Tigray:

    Sadly, the people of Tigray will neither have the need or means to both defend their state and invade another country. That would just stretch them so far that it would put them in a fast downward spiral. So, this concern, real or imagined, is not there under the current set up.

    2 – Ethiopia will push into Assab and dismember Eritrea

    By the same reason above, Ethiopia has major peace and stabilization work inside Ethiopia for the foreseeable future. Opening an all out war to capture Eritrean territory would be out of question. So, this concern, real or imagined, is not there under the current set up.

    3 – The Isaias Afewerki regime will put up stiff resistance and could massacre the uprising civilians

    Isaias Afewerki is tightly cornered militarily, diplomatically and economically and has no option except to flee the country. Isaias Afewerki is under EU security embargo for massive human rights violation in Eritrea, he is found to commit Crimes Against Humanity under UN commission of Inquiry and he is now accused of the most heinous and barbaric crimes against Tigrayan civilians, war crimes and invading and fighting inside Tigray thus threatening regional peace and order. Such a repulsive dictator would have no legs to stand on against popular uprising.

    Hence, what exactly could be a potential threat to Eritrea then? Well, Eritreans themselves, their disunity and inability to see beyond short term individual gains or organizational gains. If Eritreans raise above such petty divisions, the time hasn’t been more opportune. The GiE is a test case, one that all Eritreans need to give a serious shot at and would the icing on the cake. Please, understand that such a calculation is not in anyway endorsing or taking relief from the challenges of the peoples of our region. Far from it. But we can only positively contribute to their struggle when we put our house in order first.

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haw HTG,

      You wrote, “Hence, what exactly could be a potential threat to Eritrea then? Well, Eritreans themselves, their disunity and inability to see beyond short term individual gains or organizational gains. If Eritreans raise above such petty divisions, the time hasn’t been more opportune.”

      I couldn’t have said it any better myself. Your comment is very concise and to the point. Well, we Eritrean have been reiterating the need for unity to no avail. Like you said the GiE project has to be taken seriously. The purpose of my post was to propose Eritrean peace/negotiating commission to help parties get together.

      I wrote,” Eritreans should work for unity by identifying their unifying purposes. After all, our main problem now is how to get unified. That is where Eritrean Government Peace Commission in Exile gets involved.”

    • Berhe Y

      Dear HaileTG,

      Let’s agree on points #1 and #2. Let me play devils advocate on number 3. As that’s the important point from Eritrean interests are concerned.

      If 1 & 2 are not real threat to Eritrea then, who is going to make point #3 possible?

      Who/ Which entity is possible force IA and challenge him, at least by force.

      If IA withdraw from Tigray and secure Eritrea boarders, then what difference does it make if EU sanctioned Eritrea or not.

      Let’s not forget IA, was under a lot more difficult situations and he managed to survive. Just to name:

      1) sanctioned by the UNSC
      2) All IGAD countries and AU supported the sanctions
      3) Ethiopia under Melles was the darling of the US, EU and China
      4) Sudan, Yemen and Ethiopia, Djibouti and Somalia (all Eritrea direct and indirect neighbors) agreed to force the regime to collapse by different mechanism, economic, political opposition etc.
      5) boarders were closed with Ethiopia and Sudan.

      Right now:
      1) Ethiopia, Somalia and to some degree Sudan are on his side. I think most AU countries would not support sanctions.
      2) Yemen is irrelevant. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries are on his side.
      3) China (has economic interest in Eritrea, it’s state bought all nevsun mining interests).
      4) He can easily create an alliance with Russia and give them base.
      5) The US and EU, the best they can hope for is get Eritrea out of Tigray and the conflict in Ethiopia to come to some peaceful end.
      6) They have more problem to solve (trying to save Ethiopia from failing and, they end up with 100 million

      • Brhan

        Hello Berhe,
        The EU latest sanction targeted the Eritrean national inteligience services and has to do with Eritrea’s gross human right abuses and not with Eritrean gov’t involvement in Tigray, Ethiopia.

        • Berhe Y

          Selam Berhan,

          Thank you for clarification. Don’t you think the EU is a little to late, from when the UNHC decided “The PFDJ is committing crimes against humanity, probably few years ago” and they are acting now.

          And what’s their position with regards to the war in Tigray?

          Berhe

      • haileTG

        Merhaba BY [Aman Y I will get to your points later:]

        That is good question but we need to look at the subtle elements of what I called “the current set up”. In regards to #1, Eritreans have little to fear from but IA has everything to fear for. The attrition with Tigray forces will threaten his power but would not give the Tigray forces sufficient power to influence Eritrea as the imagined fear would have us believe. They have all the means to inflict damage on IA’s grip on power through prolonged conflict, diplomatic and political pressure and economic costs. But they still would not have sufficient power to project in order to dictate the outcome following the loss of IA. All of IA’s past crimes, save Somalia, were to do with Eritrea. And that enabled him to shut the doors and pass the costs to the people to suffer under. The Somalia problem was brought to halt when he was given stark warning that should there be an attack in the US, he will be bombed to oblivion. The defeat in the Badim front also loosened him to accept the AU peace plan. But the world does not act so forcefully on internal issues and hence he continued with impunity. The current set up has opened him up to his vulnerable side, external involvement. And by the looks of it, it is not going well.

        The good side is that the external situation does put Eritrea under least threat than at any time in the last three decades. The only main threat is Eritreans themselves turning on each other and going for foolish short term gains. IA still has to settle the war he is engaged in regardless. There is no such thing as securing his border and happy ever after. He has to achieve a total annihilation of the TDF or dig in for the long haul in Tigray or Eritrea proper. The latter is not the preferred scenario but either way he still has to settle up. This is the most dangerous time for his grip on power thus far. The fire is too close and burning ever bigger.

        On #2 we still can’t expect the fear would materialize because that assumes #1 is resolved one way or the other and the many other problems are taken care of. Hence, GiE would be a test case if Eritreans can get a whiff of the sudden window that has presented itself under such circumstances.

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Hailat,

          You set two scenarios that the despot has to make a choice out of the two, as quoted below.

          “ He has to achieve a total annihilation of the TDF or dig in for the long haul in Tigray or Eritrea proper.”

          The former being found difficult to achieve, I think the despot has already opted the later – as sources telling us that they are digging trenches on the borders from Om Hager all the way to Zalambessa, keeping the Eritrean youth in a perpetual war stand.

          The question now is what can the opposition do once we knew his option? The opposition camp can not see the urgency of the matter and coalesce together to meet the challenge. The GIE is one of the structural platform that help them to work in unison both political and diplomatically in the international sage to be seen as alternative to the regime. Albeit, they are regurgitating with baseless excuses to lose the golden opportunity. The sad part of it: by doing so will neither get short term gain nor long term benefit out of it.

          Regards

          • haileTG

            Selamat Aman,

            You are right to note that Eritreans have somewhat proven to be needlessly divided and ineffective. IA would have waited for his natural death while in power while Eritreans migrate in droves in search of normal lives – worse still they would then become regime apologists once in safe countries. However, IA held Eritreans in such lowest of esteem that he stepped into something that he is finding it hard to get out of. He is fighting a costly, unwinnable, unpopular, large scale war without an exit strategy. His demise is going to be his own making. The opportunity afforded to Eritreans is a use it or lose it type. By that I mean that regardless what Eritreans do, IA can’t be helped back from the brink. This is his own war, we don’t want it and we don’t support it. So, Eritreans will still get the change but what they make out of it is what I mean by use it or lose it. IA is past his time and has lost in every respect except in the minds of his abused followers. A bankrupt dictator approaching 80 is unlikely to see beyond this conflict. So, the time for change is here and the ball is on Eritreans court.

        • Berhe Y

          Dear HaileTG,

          First I just want to highlight that I am not defending or supporting the actions of IA and his adventures. My comments / response is based on the likely scenario that can be unfolded in our country.

          The good side is that the external situation does put Eritrea under least threat than at any time in the last three decades. The only main threat is Eritreans themselves turning on each other and going for foolish short term gains. IA still has to settle the war he is engaged in regardless. There is no such thing as securing his border and happy ever after. He has to achieve a total annihilation of the TDF or dig in for the long haul in Tigray or Eritrea proper. The latter is not the preferred scenario for both parties but either way he still has to settle up. This is the most dangerous time for his grip on power thus far. The fire is too close and burning ever bigger.

          I do agree to what you said above. However, I think it seems to me, that #1 and # 3 do not settle.

          By that I mean is, one way or the other IA and TPLF (now TDF) have to finish each other for this to come to a conclusion. And if that is to happen, either TDF (with Eritreans who are fighting or pledge to fight with them) have to finish of IA in Eritrea. Or IA with Abiy government have to finish them off.

          Then question then is, if TDF manage to finish IA, what garantee do we have from preventing this from happening.

          The only main threat is Eritreans themselves turning on each other and going for foolish short term gains.

          Isn’t that exactly what happened to Ethiopia when Mengistu fled when both EPLF and TPLF forces took over. EPLF helped, TPLF come to power. One way or another, as per the three different scenario, I think TDF is going to be the king make in Eritrea, unless Eritreans (GiE or those inside the country) bring the change on our own.

          What I am trying to argue against is this scenario that you presented “1 – TPLF will install puppet government and create greater Tigray” if the likely scenario that will happen if IA is to lose.

          Berhe

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe and MoKsi,

            ምቁንጃው ህውሓት መኣስ (ነ)የቖንጁ!

          • haileTG

            Merhaba BY,

            I fully understand your concerns here and I am sure you mean it in the best interest of Eritrea.

            My preposition is as follows:

            Yes, the IA vs TDF conflict may well force the the fall of IA. However, in order for the TDF to be the king maker in Eritrea, it requires enough power and muscle to project. That it doesn’t have. How do we know? Ok, what does that involve? TDF to maintain military and security forces in Eritrea to prop up their chosen king and at the same time fight a defensive war in Ethiopia, secure and defend Tigray and maintain its political influence. Can you see the impossibility of that scenario at a practical level? So, the claim that that pro TDF Eritreans will maintain a puppet government implies a powerful and influential patron in the TDF. Do you fear that happening any time soon? The PFDJ would indeed have us believe such possibility and other well meaning Eritreans such as yourself and others in the opposition may worry about it. But a quick back of envelop calculation shows there is no way that can happen. But we must admit there are few but fundamental historical issues Eritreans need to settle among them. The GiE school of thought idea’s main genius in my view is that it brings those historic questions on land, language and equity to the fore. Other than that Eritreans have nothing to be divided about at a fundamental level and should avoid doing so for trivial reasons.

          • Haile S.

            Selam Moksi, Berhe and all,

            Let me bring two sentences from your comments

            First you said, “So, the claim that pro TDF Eritreans will maintain a puppet government implies a powerful and influential patron in the TDF.”

            Further down, you said, “But we must admit there are few but fundamental historical issues Eritreans need to settle among them. The GiE school of thought idea’s main genius in my view is that it brings those historic questions on land, language and equity to the fore.” I agree.

            Neologism is not changing the fundamentals of the group that at every step hindered “Eritreans settle issues among them”. At different times, until now, groups of Eritreans have been and are collaborators of the group’s scheme. And a collaborator (puppet) has no control of his fundamental issues.

            Therefore, those who reflexively go and try to bring solutions by collaborating with the group should be persuaded that they need to cooperate internally with their compatriots first to settle fundamental historical issues of Eritrea. Then Eritreans together should also face what Tigray leaders (in consent with their Ethiopian brothers) want from Eritrea. It is a problem that need to be faced too. This constant nagging by dividing Eritreans along historical, linguistic, religious lines for their benefit needs to be dealt with by Eritreans together, not by dispersing. And I think GiE could play a central role in this endeavor.

          • haileTG

            Selamat Moxie!

            Ezi’a qurub glix’do mebelkaya

            Neologism is not changing the fundamentals of the group that at every step hindered “Eritreans settle issues among them”. At different times, until now, groups of Eritreans have been and are collaborators of the group’s scheme. And a collaborator (puppet) has no control of his fundamental issues.

            Thanks brother!

          • Haile S.

            MoKsi,

            Neologism (TDF) is not changing the fundamentals of the group (TPLF) that at every step hindered “Eritreans settle issues among them”. At different times, until now, groups of Eritreans have been and are collaborators of the group’s (TPLF’) scheme. And a collaborator (puppet) has no control of his fundamental issues.

            TPLF has been interferring in the internal affaires of the Eritrean starting their formation (TPLF’s) until now. And especially following Eritreas independence and the ” border” war that followed, interferring in the affairs of the Eritrean opposition rendering them ineffective by favoring the ethnic based movements. The later was supplemented in the last +/-6 years by TPLF affiliated Tigryan elites assualt on Eritrean history through ethnoliguistic reapproachments, skewed narratives and uplifting fringe elements like the Agazians with the purpose of exacerbating the rift between highland lowland and Christian Moslem majority areas of Eritrea. Now it has culminated by joint movements to combat IA that we hear in the media. We can go revisit all the past discussions in this forum, but for now here is what I was referring to in general.

          • haileTG

            Thanks Moxie,

            That’s what I assumed you meant but I needed to clarify. One question though, given the current realignment of forces in the region, do you believe such influence/interfaces still hold a substantial threat? My view is that even TDF/TPLF can’t realistically continue to have a substantial influence because it no longer possess the required power to secure Tigray and chart a political direction in Eritrea. It is not about intentions rather an actual means. It needed to return to the helm of power in Ethiopia to do so. Hence, my argument that for good or worse, such is yesterday’s debate. There simply is not such an environment. They may help TDF to oust IA but that is about it. TDF will not be able to help solve challenges they would face because of limitations imposed on it by the new reality.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat (TG),

            Your assessments are spot on. But…but, this unrealistic claim we keep hearing day and night by the unsuspected Eritreans will only serve to the purpose of the regime. What it cringed me when I hear these claims, even if they consider them as our enemy, you shouldn’t cry day and night to give unnecessary uplifting moral to their enemy. You see Hailat, in wars your propaganda should undermine the ability of your enemy, while in reality you have the right assessment of your enemy to engage with. So when I hear them crying day and night, I really feel pain, b/c it undermines the over all moral of the people and the strategy of our success.

            Regard

          • Haile S.

            MoKsi,

            The only deterrent to this is giving primacy to Eritrea and Eritreans and the coming together. Realignments and changes can happen anytime. Who would have expected the events of the last 3 years. Eritreans coming together, vigilant of any threats, but respectful of their neighbors is the guaratee to peace.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear HaileTG,

            I am in unspeaking terms ምስ ዓዲ ገሊኦም so I hope you don’t mind. I like to make a claim that I am not falling for the PFDJ propaganda and fear of what could happen. I am also for not crying day abs night but stating the facts that I hear from those Eritreans telling us day and night that our future and our hope of defeating the regime is “if and only if we are aligned our struggle with Tigray” (I will give you example below). In fact I have not heard any PFDJ official ever say those words that “the TPLF is coming for US”.

            There are many Eritreans including the YouTube channel owners are openly declared their allegiance with TPLF as the only way to defeat IA. Some of them are, Amanuel Assenna, Yosief Ghebehiwet, Tedros Mengistu, Temesghen Kiros, Tefetawi talk show, etc that I know. And there are others I don’t know their names but they call themselves Tigray /Tigrinya, Agazian or what have you. There are those who are telling us publicly in Tigray Media House, እዞም ጥባሕ ጥባሕ: እዞም ደቂ ሓማሴን are the problems for Tigray but እዞም ደቂ ሰራየን አኮሎግዛይን አይኮኑን ወዘ ተረፈ::

            ካብ ሎሚ ዝነቀወ ዝብኢ ዘየሕድረኒ ድዩ ዝበሀል:: When they are telling us what their plans are and Assenna is reporting live Eritreans fighting along side of TDF from free Tigray meda, how is that we don’t have the ability to say “ኤርትራ ብኤርትራውያን ንኤርትራውያን”. ንህዝቢትግራይን ንህዝቢ ኢትዮጵያን ሰላም ንምነየሉ:: ዝኾነ ኤርትራዊ: ኣብ ልዕሊ ዝኾነ ይኹን ዜጋ ዝኾነ በደልን ግፍዕን ንኸፍጽም አጥቢቅና ንምሕጸንን : ብትሪ ውን ንኹንን::

            To be honest if GiE is going to succeed, it needs to separate and make clear distinction in its alliance. I think it’s best to go separate ways, rather than trying to mend this differences.

            In the end the idea that appeal to the majority of the people will come out successful.

            Ted Turner said “ Lead, Follow Or Get Out of the Way”. IA and PFDJ are the perfect example of such vision and it worked for them, if they can only use it towards a good purpose.

            Eritrean.

            Berhe

          • haileTG

            Merhaba BY,

            መቸም ምስ ዓዲ ገሊኦም ክንሽምግለኩም ፍቃደኛታት እንተኾንኩም ድሉዋት ኢና 🙂

            If I understand correctly you are mainly referring to the initiative of ምስ ህዝቢ ትግራይ ተዋሃሂድካ ቃልሲ that is run by Amanuel Eyasu. There is also another parallel initiative by different groups that may not go as far as that. There is also the GiE. In fact we are so rich with initiatives we can export some (just kidding:)

            PFDJ also had many initiatives which none came to fruition. Many people come up with all sorts of initiatives but its realization and/or longevity is determined by the prevailing situations, balance and alignment of forces. Unfortunately, what we don’t have is commitment to what we support that can at least match our detractive propensity to go after what we disagree.

            As soon as the GiE has been floated, we see all types of ELF/EPLF contentions resurfaced as if that was the intent of the broad school of thought idea.

            As soon as this initiative with Amanuel Eyasu comes, the Woyane contention started in earnest.

            As soon as some other initiative comes, some other detraction comes up. That has been our main problem throughout the struggle.

            My main point with my argument is that there is no credible threat from geostrategic level to Eritrea at this time as credible as it seemed prior to the latest conflagration in the region. TPLF can’t project domination over Eritrea regardless of who says what. That is plain obvious because facts have fundamentally changed on the ground. It is true that this current window can close because Eritreans can fall into serious civil war because they are not ready to form a central government. This can invite international intervention and it may even dismember Eritrea and close the chapter of of independence for good. Big actors will see to it that such happens and it will not be TPLF. If such disaster happens, we will be squarely to blame, and most specifically our tendency to deny breathing space for any initiative to at least get off the ground and see how it pans out.

            So, my intention was to give the message that Eritreans can relax for a decade or so for now and try to listen to each other, support one another and bury PFDJ and set up a viable transition through the GiE (as my preferred mechanism) and anything else others would come up with. The era of fear of few suspect individuals taking us for fools is over. If Eritrea gets threatened by Ethiopia, it will not be TPLF, rather it would be ENDF once it has settled its problems – in the words of Tamrat Negera ኢትዮጵያ ፊትዋን ወደ እነሱ ያዞረች ግዜ የት እንደሚገቡ ራሳቸው ይወቁ። እንደ መለስ የሚያቆመን ነገር እንደሌለ ያዩታል። የራሳችን ባህር በር ያስፈልገናል። በውድም በግድም። And until Ethiopia turns her face to us, we better use this opportunity to set up a viable country of citizens who can build each other than incessantly detracting one another. [don’t let Guad Abi hear this:]

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            Still waiting for the foreclosure of the oceanfront property. As there is only one interested party in the fixer upper property , the bank auction should be quick and straight forward. Seller pays all closing and renovation costs.
            SOLD!!!
            Sweeeeet!

          • haileTG

            ኣቢቹ ኣንተ ምናረግ ከብብት ነው የመጣብን ችግሩ…haha

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            እኔማ ከመሸበት ነጋዴ ላይ በርካሽ ለመግዛት በትዕግስት እየጠበቅኩ ነው:: ይቅናህ በለኝ:)

          • saay7

            Berhe y:

            Every time you say you are not on speaking terms with your fellow freedom fighters, I wince. And all I can say is ሕሰበሉ! As long as someone lives in the real world recognizing that Eritrea deserves better than thoroughly corrupt Isaias and his Highly Compromised lieutenants, that someone is your ally.

            Now this “Lead, folllow or get out of the way” you attributed to Ted Turner was also chanted by Lee Iacocca and General Patton. And you know what they all have in common: they are business and military Titans and authoritarians. What those who don’t agree with our worldview are saying: I don’t want to lead, I can’t follow you because I am not sold on your vision and I have no intention of getting out of the way because like you I am a stakeholder. What then?

            I think it’s about laying out our vision, accurately describing their vision, and then trusting the collective judgement of our people, including their wrong judgement. For example: NTT member Samuel Emaha was interviewed by Eri Sat and a caller called to say your Jebha Shaebia is not appealing to the youth who have better ideas. Sam calmly said so you can help me make proper comparison what exactly do you think is the vision of our youth ? And the caller (who is no youth whereas Sam is) said “some say let’s organize on the basis of our villages, some are Agazian and some are bruh mexaee.” Ok. Now we have a comparison and we can pitch the two ideas: Mainstream ELF EPLF ideology and the fringe ideas of the “youth.” And our jury is not the Eritrean Diaspora but Eritreans in Eritrea who, as Dr Amanuel Mihreteab put it, don’t hang pictures of St George and St John in their living rooms but that of their children who gave their lives for Eritreans.

            We will win that debate every time. But let’s engage and win the debate instead of winning by refusing to play.

            Saay

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            “What those who don’t agree with our worldview are saying: I don’t want to lead, I can’t follow you because I am not sold on your vision and I have no intention of getting out of the way because like you I am a stakeholder. What then?”

            That is the very stuff a democratic mindset is made of! The last sentence is a chilling one when we reflect on what happened in Dembidello Ethiopia yesterday when a 20 years old youth was shot in Public Square by PMAA killing squad. Indeed, what then?

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Saay and HaileTG,

            If you don’t mind, I would like to respond to both of you, as it will the same response.

            First, let me address not in speaking terms. It’s not with my friend iSem, after your advice I called him and we caught up on old times, which reminded me to call him. I am he is saddened by the passing of Aaron Berhane like a lot of Eritreans but he got to know him better.

            The people I am not on speaking terms are people like “Kokhob Selam” and Amanuel Hidrat, Amanuel Iyassu” and many others who are along side of me fighting the PFDJ but fir some unknown reason, they think change can come only if we join hands with Tigray and fight our dictator.

            The last person I see my self disagree with is Kokheb, for all the time I have been here, I think he game me the most likes than anyone else. About a month ago he wrote the following “we should join the strong Tigray army and fight the PFDJ”. When asked him, if he is advocating civil war by fighting Eritrean army who are forced to be in the situation, he said “let them pay for it, who told them to join”. I do not believe, he doesn’t know the difference but he us convinced that they are (all of them) like his enemy IA and he does not discriminate. At least that what I understood.

            I was arguing with Amanuel Hidrat, after he brought the Assena group agenda and their criteria of joining hands with Tigray to fight the regime. We agreed that it’s best not to continue the discussion and leave it. Well he kept his words, that is, he is not addressing me directly, but he jumps in the discussion and አሽሙር እንዳገበረ he throws words at me. I apologize in advance if he had someone else in mind but he jumped twice to HaileTG and I discussion.

            This morning I watched the PBS documentary of Escape from Eritrea. I saw Hana Petros telling the painful truth and the brave guards who filmed the prison conditions of Eritrea. Hana wise words were in Eritrea “The Abused and the abusers are both victims. .

            This evening I watch the last video of Negarit, and I felt Saleh was giving me the exact advise that I was looking, and he was telling what I was feeling inside all day.

            Why are all these Eritreans, including you (see below) can’t say, when the TPLF organized groups or individuals that we are coming for you and we bend backwards to defend what they are telling us openly what their exact intentions are. For example, there is this active girl named Ghidey who goes by GG I think. She said, I don’t know when

            ነዚ ንሕና ሳሕል ተስዊእና ዘውሐስናዮ ባሕሪ ምስ አምሓራይ ኮንኩም ክትሕምብስሉ:: ቀይሕ ባሕሪ ዝሰመዪ: ሓጸይ ዮሃንስ እዮ:: ክንረአአ ኢና ሰሰረና የዋጽአና:: ቀይሕ ባሕሪና ባዕልና ክንሕምብሰሉ ኢና:: ገለመለ::

            I don’t think this person is crazy and she was speaking her own mind but the speaking point and the planning that’s going on. I will say this with 100% confidence if and when the war in Tigray us over, it’s guarantee that they will turn the guns to Eritrea, and may be they have a reason to [which is not I can control) but it’s our duty to fight them back, like any normal person would.

            My problem is with Eritreans who are siding with abs come to cause harm and damage to the same country they are trying to free. But I can’t stop them if that’s the path they chose to take for what ever reason.

            So going back to what I said, Lead, Follow or Get out of the way, I think is a very valid point. In my case rest assured I want to follow. But I think it’s futile to think these two paths can cross and come to understanding.

            What I am asking, we need to make out intentions very clear and speak the facts and the truth so we can attract a lot more people that can follow. The others who chose a different path, let them go their own ways and let them convince others that can follow them.

            I think Beyan come up with best description “ምቅንጃው ህዋሐት”, and I think we need to stop it and make and excuse. Why people spend hours and days defending the intentions of TPLF towards Eritrea as the same time, they wanted to silence others who are suspicious based on the facts that are available.

            After all this misery that we went through it seems we have not learned much. I am talking about the 50s, instead of thinking for our selves first, a lot of our people where making the argument on behave of Ethiopia. Those Eritreans who said “Eritrea for Eritreans” were correct and the other side was wrong, and 80 years later we are paying the price for it still. Wouldn’t be better off (in retrospect) if they had stop speaking.

            When you wrote:

            Ambassador Seyoum Mesfin chose to go to the mountains, to side with his people, and got shot in the head for it (with gun powder still visible on his forehead, for the cold assassination. If you don’t admire that, check your Hamot.) You are only being asked to organize an organizational congress and your role will be transitional.

            I am the last person to tell you that I don’t agree with but why do you think that we, Eritreans are to learn courage from Seyoum Mesfin, as if we do have our own Hero. Wedi Hagi, Minister Berhane, General Bitweded are not enough, you have to use Ambassador Seyoum to use as example.

            Now I have said a lot, and I will stop writing for a little while and just follow you and HaileTG.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe!

            Whoa! This is some lucid righting, my friend. And I am really glad you reconciled with iSem and my condolences to the family and friends of Aron.

            Let’s begin with your last point: at the time I wrote the article, the headline news was the passing of Seyoum Mesfin. He was the Foreign Minister of Ethiopia during the first awful war (98-00), and I must have written a dozen articles for Dehai and Visafric attacking him. So there is no love lost there. But he was also a CC member of TPLF and since I was addressing the CC members of EPLF/PFDJ who knew him in better comradie times of Ghedli: I was trying to make the point that while you are afraid of endorsing an idea (government in exile) this guy believed in a cause to such a degree he was willing to give up the life of luxury and comfort he was used to as foreign minister and ambassador and die in the wilderness. The Eritrean examples you mentioned would not be comparable or have the desired shock value. That was the reason.

            On those who propose alliance with TPLF (now TDF), I would classify them into two groups: those who see it as tactical alliance and those who see it as their version of two-countries-one-people. Both see everything else as a distraction including the GiE idea, and some (the latter) are very aggressive with it and if you don’t support their idea, why you must be a Tigray hater.

            But equally badly, on the other side, there are people who don’t show an ounce of sympathy to the people of Tigray and are obnoxious about it.

            There has to be a middle way: expressing empathy for the people of Tigray, but remaining focused on Eritrea and how the war will affect Eritrea. Not because the Tigray issue is not important but because it has many many many capable people—Tigrayans, the West and all its institutions—speaking up for it. Who is speaking up for the Eritrean victims of the war: our soldiers our refugees victimized by all parties? It has to be us. Eritrea for/by Eritreans is a good creed, as long as it’s not advanced by those who then spend half their time telling you who is Eritrean and who isn’t.

            Thanks!

            saay

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Berhe Y,
            Like all other visitors and residents of Awate, I have been closely following the recent discussions. Your initiative to reach out and hammer down differences with people “not on speaking terms” tells your sincerety and magnanimity.
            Let me interject into the discussion, if I may, by putting my observations.
            1. I fully agree with you.
            2. There are people with unshakable principles, convictions and stand, who wouldn’t compromise their beliefs for political expediency. From my observations, Haile TG is one of them. Sometimes, tactical approaches to inherent problems may be construed as undermining the bigger problem or even outright submission. That could be deceptive.
            3. True, Weyane/TDF is done with and doesn’t have any power to change the Dynamics of Eritrea. But, to undestimate the weyanes propensity to spoil is a gross mistake of biblical proportion. I do not want to dwell or masticate on how they divided the Eritrean fighting forces who wanted to fight isayas/higdef. Citing on current activities of weyane on diaspora population is sufficient to understand the dubious nature of weyane. Assenna, Tefetawi Show…etc. didn’t pop up overnight, organizations like Agaazian, Bruh Mexaie etc.were not haphazardly created. All the YouTube and Facebook vigilantes are not spontaneous manifestions. All this are accomplished through meticulous planning, documentations, financing and organizing over an extended period. Expect other bomb-shells, but I believe, the sleeper cells from the so-called elite camp might have been neutralized by the demise of the TDF.
            4. According to Ethio-forum, there is fighting at the Eritrean border. If this information is true, then rest assured that TDF is not involved. This are Eritrean refugees being thrown into the killing fields masterminded by Weyane and isayas. What a jackpot for liquidating Eritreans. Don’t be surprised when Assenna and Weyane trolls start propagating that weyane has taken the battle front to isayas.
            5. Despite all these hurdles, GIE’s perseverance would be the groundbreaking nucleus for aligning our differences and guaranteeing our struggle to its final chapter. Time and God are on our side.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Woldegabriel,

            I am glad to hear your thoughts. I do think and I do believe, the most majority of Eritreans are in the same camp and the same belief but as you said, the concerted efforts and well thought plan has been the source of division and distraction.

            My discussion with HaileTG, and Saay, at some point we have to go our separate ways and help the majority who are silent to the side of just cause.

            It was a surprise, at the speed these forces creating alliance and popped up overnight to counter act the GiE (which I believed) and divert and weaken the agenda.

            Like you I am very optimistic and hopeful with Saay and the NTT team and including HaileTG and others who are relentless in their efforts.

          • Abi

            መምህር
            What is TDF?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Abi,

            I think it means Tigray Defense Force, the new name for TPLF, to my taste.

          • Abi

            የቐንየለይ መምህር
            Sometimes I get confused whether I’m on Awate.com or wish.com?
            TDF!!! Now that is interesting. I’m trying to put the concept “ Defence” and running 700 Kms in 14 days in the same planet.
            How about Tigray Sprinting Force?
            They bolted faster than the Mr Bolt, the Jamaican sprinter.
            Is it possible to bolt backwards? Yes, with a blinding smoke!

          • haileTG

            haha Guad Abi, That was TPLF doing the running and TDF the come back -:)

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            Tell me the relay team made a full circle around the globe in record time!

  • Reclaim Abyssinia

    Dear all,
    Please see a copy of draft3 of the proposed process. https://ibb.co/dggDzp1
    A couple of Questions.
    So far the comments I received found it to be valuable, any further comments is welcome.
    Is there some information about the progress or updates from the team?
    Regards,
    Reclaim

    • Aman Y.

      Selamat Reclaim,

      Sorry for the late reply. I like it very much, lets what NTT would say. On my part I have a few comments and we are working on organizing peace/negotiation team.

      1.Mufti and Abune involvement on the Mediation/Negotiation can hopefully happen after IA. For now, Sheik or Priest in addition to some politically seasoned elderly and young professionals will do the Eritrean Peace/Negotiation Commission.

      2 The life of the two blocks as organizations doesn’t stop or it could be for the life of Eritrea. From my understanding only the executives of B1 and B2 are candidates, and whoever is elected will become non partisan and be part of the GiE while the rest will go to back work through their parties, there should be a quota here.

      3. Depending on the numbers, any other new blocks will be urged to negotiate and work with the two afro mentioned blocks. If they still want to have their own, GiE will recognize them depending on the qualifiers.

      4. We have Eritrean people movements , civics, media, religious institutions which my want to stay independent and keep their identity as swell.

      5.taken from the above post, ” the ideal scenery of governmental roles on a concentric circle diagram. The outer most of larger crust represents the people and their roles. 1) Peoples’ Movements, demonstrations, elections, etc. The area (donut) between each consecutive concentric line defines the terms of references or for each sector to play in the government. 2) Media, Civic, religious, advocacy, trade, think-tank, etc., 3) Political Parties: Two or more parties, 4) Governing Body: Ruling/elected political officials, 5) Government: Public”

      Keep up the good work.

  • Aman Y.

    Selam all,

    The Ethiopian Orthodox Patriarch’s video has grabbed the attention of everyone, every media you turn on is discussing him. I pray we do not say. deja vu, IA has been a bad influence. I wonder why the the Ethiopian catholic cardinal kept quite. The Eritrean Catholic Bishop told his members not to buy loots from Tigray, at the beginning of the war. What say you?

    • haileTG

      Selamat AY,

      Good topic for Sunday. Here is a response from the Holy Synod of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. It sure looks deja vu, especially when you hear on this link the patriarch being accused of being under demonic influence.

      https://youtu.be/W_qU2AerD1A

      Doesn’t this show you that religion is something that should be kept firmly out of politics?

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        Until Aman gets back to you with his answer, let me try to give my perspective religion vis-vis politics in general and the humanitarian issue as an effect of war in particular.

        First as a conceptual principle, religion should not interfere in the mechanics of politics of a nation. They can only interfere when their religious rights are abrogated by the ruling class and when politics are used for purposes of ethnic cleansing and genocide. It is their moral obligation to defend the lives of innocent citizens that has nothing to do with the wars.

        Now, the Tigray people are facing all kinds of abuses including massacres of religious people in their churches and young kids below ages to deplete Human Resources of the Tigray region. In such scenario the Patriarch has moral obligation to condemn the evil acts of the army and their leaders. The inhumane acts of politics and their war machine must be condemned by all human beings and all religious denominations. Therefore, the Patriarch as a religious leader is doing the right thing. This is my take on the issue you have raised.

        Regard

        • haileTG

          Merhaba Aman,

          What you said about the people of Tigray is true and the way they are fighting back and standing for their principles merits huge admiration.

          Speaking of religious institutions, there has never been a recorded history where they ventured into the affairs of the world and made any positive contribution. Although, such is true across all religions, we can narrow down to the Christian denominations. In truth, they have always been found complicit in holocaust, genocide, racism, residential school systems of native children, wars, oppressions you name it. Their originally intended role is to organize and nurture spiritual growth and affinity to God. The latter, i.e. God, means universality, while identity means separation. Universality is attained through peace and identity is maintained through violence. There is nothing good in the world, all is born out of self seeking, therefore evil.

          It would appear, in the eyes of men, profitable to have the influential and powerful to be on own side. Yet, that is far from the test of righteous path in the troubled world. Take for example the Eritrean Orthodox Church and their refusal to hold last rites for the victims of Lampedusa. This is because they identified with the brick and mortal of the church edifice and not with the spiritual edifices that are the body and blood of Christ. God’s peace is not the same as man’s peace, it is founded on God’s truth and God’s love is not the same as man’s love. It is founded on selfless sacrifice, forgiveness, the washing of one’s enemies feet and prayer for the well being of one’s killers – “…father, forgive them for they not know what they do”. It is the very opposite of what the world and man stands for. So, how could religion be relevant to the world? That is a deep question, because it is not of the world.

          When the spiritual teaching says deny the world, it means have no interest in it whatsoever. Don’t condemn it, don’t support it, don’t mind it. It is not easy proposal in the world, it is not an easy proposal for those seeking themselves in created things. If you listen to interviews of Helen Berhane, the Eritrean protestant singer who was jailed by the regime of IA, and really listen to her days in jail, none of the violence on her physical body and mind meant much for her. She was singing, praising, upbeat and filled with joy and grace. It is easy to expect her to break down and be scarred for life. Far from it. She is now well educated, humanitarian, singer and teacher of the gospel. As you see, the world and the spiritual life have nothing in common, they mutually reject each other and want or expect nothing from one another. This is why I think it would be best for the growth of the world and the religion side by side, it is best for them to stay out of each others dealings, the gaps can not be breached.

          I am sure the people of Tigray will be victorious soon and they have given enough indications to that effect.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            This morning I was listening the acid-tongued punditry of Alena. The title of the clip “ብዙርያ መጋርያ” explaining the last hours of Issayas and his lieutenants – who are digging up trenches on the borders of Eritrea and Ethiopia. Pls listen to it b/c he came with some unverified info and meetings with his generals regarding how they go public about the casualties of the war. By the way I like the titles of his clips. It attract the readers/listeners.

            Regards

      • Saleh Johar

        HaileTG,
        Ethiopia has always been a theocracy and many supposedly educated people do not even attempt to reform that. They are preoccupied with ethnic politics laced with bigotry and theocracy.

      • Aman Y.

        Selam HTG
        Thank you for link and sorry for he late reply. Religion has to be dealt through the constitution, I do not know how politics can be kept out, when 98% of the population is religious.

        • haileTG

          Selamat AY,

          I guess the devil is in the details:-) Well below 50% of the population belong to the the same religion (43% orthodox, 31% Muslim, 23% Protestant and less than 1% Catholics and others). We could say multi-religious society and that is why it should be kept out. Israel or middle eastern countries could say religious but I doubt it applies to Ethiopia or similar countries.

    • Desbele

      Selam Aman,

      In letter to Pope Francis, Tigrayans express their dismay to the Ethiopian Catholic Cardinal while they appreciate the stand of the Eritrean Catholic church for peace and dialogue.
      https://www.tghat.com/2021/03/22/tigrayan-catholics-write-to-pope-francis-about-the-involvement-of-cardinal-berhaneyesus-souraphiel-in-tigray-crisis/

      • Aman Y.

        Selam Haw Dsbele,

        Thank you for he info.

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    It is interesting that the US envoy is very tight lips on the progress of his efforts. It seems that he has met all the parties: Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Dr. Debretsion and Mr. Seraqi Tsahli.

    From longer term calculations, who stands to benefit from Eritrean withdrawal? IA is messed either way. Both Ethiopian and TDF longer term ambition seem to benefit from a further weakened IA by bogging him down on costly and useless conflict. How do Awatista evaluate the case?

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Hailat,

      Here is my assessment: the reason why the US envoy is tight lipped on their diplomatic talk with the despot is because:-

      (a) DIA is not trustworthy to any agreement. So they will hold their talking point and whatever common understanding they have reached on their talking point.

      (b) They might agreed an undeclared withdrawal of the Eritrean forces from Ethiopia to avoid losses while retreating.

      (c) Since Abiy’s government can not hold together the country and his government can not survive without the Eritrean military force (EDF) and Eritrean security force, they are arranging his exit for exile with his families like Mengstu Hailemariam.

      (d) while securing his exit, they are arranging the custody of the state with the top military brass until they bring the political forces to a round table talk for forming a transitional government.

      What do you think, Hailat?

      Regard

      • haileTG

        Hey Aman,

        The problem with that scenario seems that it still can’t address the following entangled conflicts:

        i – TDF vs Ethiopian Federal state

        ii – Amhara – Oromo conflict

        iii – TDF – Eritrea conflict

        iv – Eritrea – Ethiopia conflict [post current conflict because Eritrea has committed crimes against Ethiopians under the cover of supporting PMAA]

        Now, to assume Ethiopian military leaders [part of the problem] would resolve all these via transitional set up seems too much to hope for. It also leaves Eritrea unscathed which will be almost impossible to imagine [IA regime will likely pay heavily – possibly with its survival].

  • Aman Y.

    Selam Haw Saay and All,

    A few years ago Dr. Asefaw Tekeste was one of the presenters and said there was a social democrats with in EPLF. At the same podium Dr. Tricia Harper was rooting for socialism can still work as long as it is the right one. Can someone enlighten us on this, especially those from the Gedli.

    The difference between authoritarian socialist and democratic socialist states is with the first representing the Soviet Bloc and the latter representing Western Bloc countries which have been democratically governed by socialist parties such as Britain, France, Sweden and Western social-democracies in general, among others.

    SAAY, I still suggest for your team to deal only with the two blocks.
    Let each block deal with like of the Afar activist. He will of course work with whoever accepts referendum on their program. I do not understand the problem of Arabic-Tigrinya as *OFFICIAL* languages though. The political parties will have the obligation to reach more people and organizations for membership.

    In line with Integrative approach, l had suggested to set up a peace commission to help Eritrean together. At this time I think a negotiating team would work better now. I still suggest each block to it offers the organizations choices for the agreements in a series sequential steps as follows. As an example if organization is not ready, but entertains the idea of joining Block B, it will sign an agree to agree contract to be documented. But instead buys the idea and would like to merge, it will abandon its identity(name Federal ID) and joins Block Band vise versa.

    1. Agree to agree-ንምሰማማዕ ምስምማዕ

    2. Agree to negotiate-ንምዝታይ ምስምማዕ

    3. Affiliation- ንምድግጋፍ ምስምማዕ

    4. Partnership-ንሓቢርካ ምስራሕ ምስምማዕ

    5. Merge አብ ሓደ ንምጥርናፍ ምስምማዕ

    This will help save time and energy. Somebody help with Tigrigna translation.

    Keep up the good work

    .

    • saay7

      Selamat Aman;

      You wrote

      “SAAY, I still suggest for your team to deal only with the two blocks. Let each block deal with like of the Afar activist. He will of course work with whoever accepts referendum on their program. I do not understand the problem of Arabic-Tigrinya as *OFFICIAL* languages though. The political parties will have the obligation to reach more people and organizations for membership.”

      Agreed. In this case, the Afar activist would find a home in Bloc 1 because its charter clearly articulated a decentralized form of government whereas Bloc 2, in the 1997 constitution which it says is the correct path says Eritrea is a unitary state and the relationship between center and administrative areas will be so defined within this context.

      Similarly with official languages. Bloc 1 says absolutely. Meanwhile, Bloc 2, beginning as recently as with the 1997 constitution and as early as its political congresses never acknowledged official languages opting for “all languages are equal”

      The differences are real and issues based. Rather than acknowledging them and creating political coalitions on those basis and presenting them to the people, some of our political organizations have chosen to be vanilla flavors, yielding space on the issues (particularly the culture issues) to fringe groups.

      This is what the NTT and eventually the GiE hopes to address.

      And thank you for your support.

      saay

  • Aman Y.

    Selam Haw SAAY

    So, tell us how your Eureka moment went? It took me a few showers to understand the two school thoughts idea.

    Archimedes ran naked through the streets of Syracuse shouting “Eureka!” — or “I have it!” in Greek after he found a way to prove the kings crown was not all gold. That finding made him to be the best scientist through out history, at least in his era.

    GiE with the two blocks idea is very thoughtful and achievable project, except the time constraint. I believe a memorandum of understanding between the two blocks would be a win for NTT, at this moment. If you do more, that would be exceptional. This is a complex undertaking which usually takes years. አጆኩም!

    • saay7

      Selamat Aman:

      I am not sure I had an Eureka moment. In fact I am sure I didn’t:)

      I have now heard from several officials, from ELF and EPLF background expressing disbelief of such a thing as a school of thought. On TV, both Herui T Bairou and Mengesteab Asmerom denied there is or was such a thing. I guess it is only us the supporters of the fronts who were consuming all their periodicals, political programmes and charters and took them seriously.

      Try to meet with any Afar activist and try to sell him a political blueprint that doesn’t have the phrase “self-rule” and good luck to you. Meanwhile, try selling Arabic-Tigrinya as *OFFICIAL* languages to someone who stays true to EPLF ideology and good luck to you. As the political elite try to abandon the position of their constituent foe the sake of fake unity, they keep losing their constituents to fringe groups.

      Yes you are right. It will take a lot longer than I already envisioned but it is so worth it.

      saay

      • Aman Y.

        Selam Haw SAAY,

        Saving a part of an old house when building a new house saves you tens of thousands. The reason is the new code doesn’t apply to the new building due to the small part saved. They call it is grand fathered construction or some thing like.

        Now, my Eureka moment was when I thought you did not need to do all or some of what you said you did. And I was literally taking a shower when I thought about this

        My advice at the moment would be to drop the school of thought, but still deal with the two distinct blocks. Have the two blocks sign a memorandum of understanding acknowledging and adopting GiE.

        Bringing Eritreans starting from Citizens, Civic …Parties etc. would be accomplished through the two blocks and their affiliate. They will have different relationship levels for each entity to start and develop it up or keep it the same. But they will at least agree to agree, by the way all these are documentable and can be used to support in the court of law. .

        Improve the process flow chart Reclaim Abyssinia made for GiE. In line with Integrative approach, l would suggest it offers the organizations choices for the agreements in a series sequential steps as follows:

        1. Agree to agree-ክምትሰማማዕ ምስምማዕ

        2. Agree to negotiate-ትሰማማዕ ምዝታይ

        3. Affiliation- ሕውነታዊ ማሕበር

        4. Partnership ዋንነት ሓባር

        5. Merge አብ ሓደ ምጥርናፍ

        This will help save time and energy. Somebody help with Tigrigna translation.

        Keep up the good work

      • Kaddis

        Selam selam Saay –

        Imagine if the federalist and the Unitarian school of thought accepted each other in Ethiopia? Specially while one side was strong enough to lead the conditions ( probably last years of Meles). Or 2018 Abiy, the doggy Unitarian, when he had the support of the Universe. Now it’s a stalemate in hell.

        But one reminder, my reason to comment, – people think the West likes to see a negotiated government formed in Africa. Wrong. Part of me knows in 2005 Ethiopia could have a negotiated government after a fairly democratic election. The West messed it up pushing one side to revolt while knowing Meles’s strength and tendency to be violent, urge to consolidate power etc… Later Meles was made a global statesman without enough push to negotiate with his opponents including the unitary camp, OLF and Shabia. He fell for the West trap.

        The West likes one weak head of government with not much core support base so that they can squeeze one weak guy. The like of Abiy the Musevini types (Bobby who? lol) … They want one winner. Not a government of Debrestion, Jawar and Abiy or Birhanu vetted response for their exploiting demands.
        So – build the coalition government in exile ( love the government part cause its shaking many) with what works for Eritrea; recognising and representing the diversity and the school of thoughts.

        The moment the West see you seriously – they will pick a side – make you offers, that will eventually make you compromise the other side, creates vulnerability, intimidation and fight, splits etc. Your strategy should be to get the West support while resisting the push to create a strong man among you. Its doable.

        You should be proud for elevating Eritrean elites diversity to the school of thoughts, they can just alien to the school of thought rather than a need to join an organisation; you are making it easy for all. More power to you Saay.
        Cheers,

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Kaddis,

          “ recognising and representing the diversity and the school of thoughts.”

          The above statement is a crucial idea that could transform the Eritrean politics. However, the concept “diversity” always brings a cacophony of reactions of all sorts. The rejectionist to “diversity and fair share” are the dominant force with its base. It also reflects in the social bases of the regime. Those conflicting views brew mistrust among the forces in the opposition camp. So despite the good intention of the “Task Force” to transform our politics, it is very difficult to overcome the hurdles to materialize the project. I am one from the supporters and promoters of GIE. But for various reasons the resistance to it is very stiff with my encounters. I hope the prospect is better from the TF side.

          Regards

        • saay7

          Selamat Kaddis:

          Always a pleasure to hear from you.

          Put another way, it’s the conflict of visions between the Unitarians and de-centralizes; Nation Staters and Multi-nation staters. Within the Eritrean context, each vision has its pluses and minuses, which is how it should be, and it should be debated. But for that to happen, we need to have the political leaders actually stand behind their political programs.

          In the case of Ethiopia, I don’t know when the Unitarians will learn that their vision can only be enforced using guns and mythology.

          saay

  • haileTG

    Selamat Awatista,

    The PBS program, aired yesterday, had one curious point. It was more of a confirmation
    of what saay once said here about the letter of the recommendations by CoIE was
    mysteriously disappeared into a black hole somewhere around the US
    administration’s seat of office.

    The documentary on PBS said that “for unknown reasons, senior officials
    of the US administration stopped the next step.”

    It is well known that the US administration is the main culprit in scuttling
    the momentum of the CoIE. But, was it planned all along or a decision was made
    later to kill the process for that time at least? Listening in closely, it
    seems it was a premeditated step. It was never meant to be pushed further than
    the investigation. Sadly, that is how the US gambles with the lives of millions
    of oppressed people through false hopes and subterfuges. However, you may ask
    what my suspicion is in order to conclude so. Well…

    At the time of the final CoIE press briefing back in 2016, Mike Smith made a
    point that the Eritrean society is “fractured” in his own words. This
    was further fleshed out in the PBS documentary where a segment shows Eritreans
    demonstrating in favor of the CoIE findings and the same number protesting
    against. Why was that point needed to be highlighted? Perhaps to wipe America’s
    dirty hand off by blaming the Eritrean social fracture was/is the reason
    justice is not served? That is cruel geostrategic gameplay and it is noted.
    Down with Imperialism 🙂

    • Abi

      ኃይልሽ
      Couple of weeks ago you were cheering the USA to sanction both Ethiopia and Eritrea. You flipped from Viva USA to Down with Imperialism.
      You really flipped on this one before Antony Blinker blinked.

      • haileTG

        Hey Abi,

        Cheering is too risky for we could never know. But, am I against justice for the oppressed? No way! Can’t flip on that because it is about moral conscience. Imperialism uses proxy to fight and perpetuate wars of oppression. What PMAA is doing in Tigray with Eritrean troops is case in point 👉

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          You have displayed your bias towards Ethiopia in several occasions. ( Good or bad occasions. You don’t discriminate).
          You were praying twice a day and five times a day during the UNSC sessions in the hope to sanction the countries.

  • Brhan

    Selam Awate.com visitors

    I just watched PBS’s “Escaping from Eritrea”. Here are my inputs:

    PBS brought balanced info about the issue. It outreached the regime as it did with the victims. It brought the two sides of the story. It left the judgment to viewers. I do not know why the regime wanted to stop the program, that includes its own people defending the regime. “Escaping from Eritrea”was professional, neutral, and credible. In my understanding it is simply asking the regime the following questions:

    1) what is your say about the Adi Abeito crowded prison? Why do you keep inmates inhumane way?

    2) Why are they jailed without the rule of law? Why do the prisoners have no access to justice to defend themselves?

    3) Why are they languishing there for years, where there is an inmate there for 12 years?

    4) Why are children jailed in that prison with their moms?

    5) If you, the regime, say there is a change with Ethiopia where peace ended the no war no peace situation, there is no change in Adi Abeto. It is still crowded, and Eritreans as young as 12 years old are jailed there without trials.

    6) Why do you, the regime representative, deny that such things never happened in Eritrea. Instead, why do you not allow organizations such as the Red Cross to visit Adi Abeto, meet the prisoners and their families?

    I appreciate this PBS’s program about Eritrea, especially the director, Evan Williams, and the two brave Eritrens Michael and Desta. They secretly filmed the inhuman situation of Adi Abeto and made the world know what Eritrea looks like from the inside.

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Brhan,

      Nice summary. I was thinking of Semere Tesfai and what he told us about getting ready with his koboro to jump as high as he could. Essentially, that was a good documentary that would help to shape world opinion of the sadist regime. ADI ABEYTO is the more relaxed jail by comparison to the other 350 jails. One similarity is that there is no release or court appearance date. Recently, many business owners have been escaping out of the country because they get picked up by security agents under accusations of cooking up their business account withdrawal and deposit amounts. Once they are in that interrogation room in ADI ABEYTO they are asked to sign a document transferring their properties to the government or will be kept indefinitely. So, if they ran away from the country, the regime can’t legally take possession of their property without their signature.

      What a truly disgusting regime!!

      • saay7

        Selam Hailat:

        The only way to understand the Goverment in Power (GiP) is to think of it as a mafia: a thieving, murderous organization on a mission to control every turf. This also helps you understand the dude you mentioned: like the mob members who refer to their “Cosa Nostra” (this thing of ours), who are loyal on the basis of village identity and fear.

        saay

        • Amanuel Hidrat

          Selam Saay,

          “loyal on the basis of village identity”. This is a good one – a psychological reading of herd mentality or call it ጦብላሕታዊ ምትእኽኻብ:: By the way, the PBS documentary is a very good documentary, can be used as tool in the current struggle.

          Regard

      • said

        Selam Haile
        Semere could not free himself even if which to do so ?

        Stockholm syndrome, named after a notorious robbery in the Swedish capital in 1973, is a phenomenon in which the victim of kidnapping or hostage-taking develops feelings of trust, affection or sympathy for their captor. It is a condition that afflict Semere and alike , Semere knows Stockholm syndrome affects him, but he can find a cure. forget that acquiescing to the demands of PFDJ kidnappers only encourages them to take more Eritrean prisoners. don’t be tricked into thinking that Semere becoming something fundamentally different from what he’ve always been.

        This remind me a different kind of Stockholm syndrome, Senator Tim Scott delivered the Republican Party’s rebuttal to President Biden’s congressional address, Biden did not say America was a “racist country,” a major theme of Scott’s speech was identity politics. The senator was rebutting the president’s call for racial justice across all ethnicities, and the reality malice is that America was founded as a country in which owning and selling Black people was justified and legalized on the basis of the racist doctrine that they were part of an inferior race. he is an intellectually dishonest, he pandering to the white supremacist ,what malice .

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ሓሚመ ደኺመ
    ዓዊረ ጸሚመ
    ተኣሲረ ደስኪለ
    ተሰዲደ ባርያ ኴነ
    ወዘተረፈ

    ምባል ክተርፍ
    ምስትምሳል ከዕርፍ

    ዳርጋ ሰለስተ-ሰሙን ተሪፉ
    ግዝያዊ መንግስቲ ኣብ ደገ
    ተመሪቑ ተባሪኹ
    ክበሃል!

    ክስየም ክውደስ
    መድሃኔ ተወሊዱ
    ወዲ-ሃገር ክምለስ ናብ ዓዱ

    ‘ምባሕ! ክብል ኣፍልቡ ነፊሑ
    ክምሃር ክሽቅጥ ክሓርስ
    ዕያሉ ክናቢ ሰሪሑ
    ብሕጊ ተመሪሑ
    ምኽሪ
    ሰጋእ ኣይትበሉ ‘ቶም ትፈርሑ

    ብተስፋ ንነብር

  • Brhan

    Hello Awatistas
    One of the memories that I have about Aaron Berhane.

    Aaron Berhane (R.I.P)was the editor of Meftih newspaper.

    The newspaper, which started as print media, was the only newspaper that continued without disruption for years until it had become electronic for the past 6 years . It was widely read in Toronto, but its circulation has reached coast to coast to coast Canada.

    What made it so famous was its investigative stories; maybe that was the specialization of the late journalist, Aaron Berhane. For example, there was a hot issue about the Eritrea community organization affiliated with the PFDJ Toronto branch that runs the annual independence day. The issue was related to the organization’s representatives renting a hall for a concert. Meftih discovered that what the rent fees say in the receipt is not the actual pay. For example, if the actual rent was $2000.00, the landlord was asked to issue a cheque of $4000.00.The $2000.00 goes to the pockets of the reps.

    The reps, instead of admitting this corruption, chose to run a campaign against Meftih. They went door to door of business owners advertising in Meftih and threatened them not to advertise. They won some battles, but they lost one important battle. These reps approached a flight agency that promotes its business on the front page of Meftih. One of the reps, their boss, I believe, went to this company and told an Eritrean who works there to stop advertising in Meftih. The Eritrean said to him that she is only an employee and that her manager handles such issues. The manager met him. The rep lis

    • Berhe Y

      Dear Berhan,

      When I heard the news of Aaron passing, I am started to wonder if God is on PFDJ side. In the last few months, we lost Adhanom, Milkieas and now Aaron and may be others I am not aware. All three of them put their life and their family lives on line to see a free and democratic Eritrea and for them to die without seeing the free and democratic Eritrea that they sacrificed so much is really not fair. I can’t get mad at God but it’s really heart breaking, as is the case for many and many others.

      I remember the story you told and I learned so much in the last couple of days the ordeal Aaron and his family has to go through during Eritrean struggle for independence, I only knew about his life as a journalist. But he grew up in bet timhrti sewra, where his entire family (where his father left to meda after he was wanted by the security as he was operating internally). Three of his older brothers where they eventually joined the was of liberation and they didn’t make it back (martyred).

      I know he worked so hard to better himself, including obtaining masters as well as many journalist related programs when he eventually become a professor in one the community collage.

      While at the same time fighting for injustice and being advocate for the journalists. I was really happy for him when he was joined by his wife and three children after he was separated for so long.

      Berhe

      • said

        elam Berhe
        My condolences, to the families
        The passing of Aaron , Adhanom, and Milkieas , They all died for higher cause worthy of their legacy, history will remember them . in their choosing profession ,they wrote with clarity, simplicity and were independent free men , with journalistic “objectivity” This still holds true, what a Great Men Eritrea have lost.
        God is just ,the quintessence of the Jesus Christ love was his central purpose. The Quranic message is justice and compassion embodied in the Oneness of God ( Tauhid) which is unity of creation and the solidarity of the human family.
        He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. He who lives by the words, dies by the words. Every man kills the things that he loves,
        For them a ‘us versus them’ was a dichotomy. IA Identity politics thrives upon such divisions. When great journalistic emphasized common values ,when shared principles are highlighted, it is our common humanity that shines forth. They showed us our one humanity And our humanity will define our identity.
        Psychiatrist Elisabeth Kübler-Ross developed a well-known scheme that came to be known as “the five stages of grief.” When confronted with imminent death, she said, people typically progress through five relatively distinct mental phases: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Denial: “No, this isn’t true, it can’t be happening. There must be some mistake.” Anger: “How could this happen to me? It’s just not fair! Someone is to blame. God, how could you let this happen!” Bargaining: “Please, God, get me through this and I promise to do x, y, z. Or, doc, you have to help me; I’ll do whatever it takes.” Depression: “There’s no use, nothing will work. I’m doomed. What’s the use of even trying?” And finally, Acceptance: “Everyone dies, and I guess my time is up. So be it. Time to meet my Maker.” This schema was first described in her initial book, On Death and Dying (1969).
        Obviously not everyone passes through all five stages, and not necessarily in the prescribed order, but nonetheless, these stages do describe some essential aspects of human response to the looming tragedy of one’s own demise. With some of her quotation I personal do not agree with Psychiatrist Elisabeth

        • haileTG

          Thanks Said for putting it well. Understandable as brother BY pains is, I was to say the same too. God is most just, most merciful and His name most holy. The rule is that the more distressing things become the more praise we shall give to God. RIP to our brothers.

  • Aman Y.

    Selam all,

    The following was an FYI, shared by my young one.

    “Please call your local PBS and voice your concern about a FRONTLINE documentary to be aired tomorrow at 10 pm.
    We don’t have time, we need to do it today.

    Voice your protest against the defamatory PBS Frontline report about Eritrea to air on May 4, 2021 evening at 9/10 PM with the title “Escaping Eritrea”.

    Some detail about the program can be found here:

    https://www.kpbs.org/news/2021/apr/30/frontline-escaping-eritrea/

    The following are talking points you can use when you call them. You have the right to tell them they should STOP broadcasting the program because it is full of RECYCLED LIES ABOUT ERITREA THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES.

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    This reprehensible and misleading report will damage PBS’s reputation.

    Let’s look at some of the reasons why:

    1. Based on the documentary’s trailer, it violates the basic principles of broadcast journalism: objectivity, balance and fairness. The report fails in all categories.

    2. The content of the report doesn’t reflect the reality in Eritrea as it tries to portray this keenly independent small African country in a negative light. For example, one can see the absence of objectivity in the report’s misleading title “Escaping Eritrea” at a time when thousands are in fact ‘escaping into Eritrea’ from conflict zones in neighboring countries and to minimize risks from the Covid-19 pandemic.

    3. The outflow of Eritrean youth in the last decade has to do with what is known as the “pull factor “ phenomenon, involving some powerful nations, international organizations, the TPLF and many criminal individuals leaving no stone unturned to hoodwink Eritrean youth to leave their country. All sorts of clandestine networks were employed and human traffickers fielded to smuggle them out. Many were abandoned in the Sinai and Saharan Desert and became victims of rape, torture and other forms of inhuman treatment. Many more risked their lives while attempting to cross the Mediterranean Sea. The objective behind this unconscionable scheme was to deplete the country of its productive human resource through brain drain and engender political and social strife internally, as well as weaken Eritrean defense capability. Repeated calls by the Government of Eritrea to the UN to launch an independent investigation on the matter has, thus far, fallen on deaf ears.

    4. Eritrea has an inalienable right to enact its lawfully proclaimed National Service Program to defend its sovereignty from the persistent existential national security threats emanating mainly from the now defunct TPLF and its enablers. The Ethiopian gov’t has now just labeled TPLF a terrorist organization.

    5. PBS, as a publicly-funded media organization, has an obligation to be a positive voice for stability in the troubled Horn of Africa region; PBS should refrain from misrepresenting the historic peace deal signed between Eritrea and Ethiopia that has substantially changed the political and security landscape of the Horn of Africa.

    6. As a frequent visitor of Eritrea, we can challenge the negative reporting of Frontline on Eritrea.
    Eritrea has been and will continue to be a much safer nation than many countries in Africa and other parts of the world as well.

    You can see how Eritrean migration was politicized in this link”

    I self omitted the link which has nothing to do with the project.

    • haileTG

      Thanks for sharing this AY,

      They watched the trailer on media and they know the full story from their own actions. But you have to give it to them on two counts:

      1 – They still have followers who read this and don’t fall head first laughing! Can’t the followers figure it out by now??

      2 – They still keep trying in earnest despite being funfunat the world over for the despicable things they do to their people (and now stealing pots from farmers in Tigray) – do they really think this has any value??

      I think saay needs to intervene here, he usually wraps his head around this kind of stuff much better:)

      Recently we were having an argument with one of the hgdef goons in a small group. I told the goon “well, really making long story short, you have no concern other than serving one man IA”. He said “what do you mean does he ran it all alone? Even his cabinet would be close by to check him”. I said “But the cabinet hadn’t met going for the fourth year now”. He then reverses 360 deg. and says “what is the point of them meeting, you still going to say they don’t have real power!”. And me said “thanks, you’re something else”. 🙂

      • Aman Y.

        Selam Haile TG,

        It is worrisome to learn they can reach the kids. Some of the youth can be mislead, though all the information are out there.

        As six grader my son told me he was going to write about Eritrea for a school project. After a couple of days he told me he was not proud to be an Eritrean any more. “Who is this Isayas Aforki?..”. And I had to tell him as much as I could.

        So, I know it is a futile attempt, but I still wonder if they really believe their actions are justifiable or they are simply emotional nationalists?

        GiE hopefully will be able to deal with kinds of staffs.

        • Brhan

          Hello Aman Y
          But that is what PBS wants too. After all, it wants those who can challenge it. PBS as a professional media organization open to criticism. It is not like a cult organization that imposes its views. The issue is with PF(DJ): They can’t challenge it. The truth is with PBS!
          By the way is PBS central like CNN or every state or city has its own chapter, such as the PBS you watch in Buffalo, NY is the same like LA , CA?

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Berhan,

            Your question made me look it up. It looks like PBS is a UK based non profit organization which partners with public entities. PBS is funded by dues from partner stations, the government broad casting corporation and fund raising drives from private donors. So, PBS/NPR partner stations will run may not all but some of the PBS/NPR programs.

            CNN is a for profit news-based pay television.

          • haileTG

            Hey AY,

            I think PBS is a US public broadcasting service??

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Haw Haile TG

            You are right. The UK one looks like a private vendor to the US PBS. Thank you.

            “PBS America is a British free-to-air television channel derived from the American public television broadcaster PBS. It is a joint venture between entrepreneur David Lyons and PBS Distribution, … Owner, PBS UK, LLC. History … PBS America was launched on 1 November 2011 (as PBS UK) on Sky and Virgin Media.”

          • Abi

            Hello Aman
            Looks like you missed a whole lot of Sesame streets. Good thing is Big Bird ( ኃይለኛው) is here to help you catching up.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam ውንድም Abi

            ምን ይደረግ ብለህ ነው፡ የአባባ ተስፋየ አልወጣ ብሎ ነው።

        • haileTG

          Merhaba AY,

          Yes that is worrisome. But you have to be careful how much your son is exposed to that side of Eritrea at that age. Because they are born and raised outside, it would be difficult to establish the connection later on.

          I have a similar age kiddo. We explored so much of Eritrea’s natural environment, birds and wild life with him whenever we got chance. Every time we come into issues like that your son found, I try to put it on historical and colonial (Italian) context and how Eritreans, as the rest of Africans are heroically fighting to create a just society but history has been tough. I also tell him we all have a role to play but it is ok not to be able to. I also say to him that the only thing is to respect the struggle, wish Eritrea well and know that it is far more than its current problems. He has fairly strong positive feelings about Eritrea now and tends to be understanding and sympathetic towards the subject (actually all the other kids too).

          Unless you figure out some strategy to deal with it, it would be very hard later once they forget about it and write it off. I am sure you’re doing a great job anyway, just sharing my fears and experiences.

  • Dongolo

    Selam Aman Y. If the U.S. were ruled by a brutal dictator and a old group of Ronald Regan and Jimmy Carter misfits (mostly in their 60s, 70s & 80s) assembled in Russia to form a Government in Exile, would you call them legitimate and credible or hungry power egoists (even though they would strongly deny this)? Eritrea’s problems must be solved from within and draw upon the power of the nations’ youth and not its diaspora elderly. The GiE effort simply is a distraction and fragments more credible broader based opposition efforts such as Yiakl. And, when it fails, for which it will, where does it leave its participants?

    • haileTG

      Selam Dongolo,

      Are you sure you have followed the rules of analogy here?:) Analogy needs to have clear correspondence between the actual and the analogous. Here is my version:

      Suppose Somalia is broken to pieces, parts of its territory declared independence, other parts occupied. The mainland is devestated, death everywhere, no central government, a terrifying rule of terror by day and night. Now, a group of old Somalians in the diaspora (which I don’t believe this applies to GiE) get together to form a GiE. Would you say good job, do your best, Somalia needs you or would you call them power hungry egoists who should make way to the young? Given the tragic conditions, anyone with the right mind would encourage and support them to stop the miseries and bleeding.

      The condition is similar in Eritrea. The country is on a cliff and all it needs is one crisis getting out hand. That will set an intractable disaster of war, mayhem, destruction and loss of central control. Current Eritrea is under cruel grip that has no institutions, many are disappeared, the youth are not educated, militarized, impoverished, citizens have no right to lead normal lives to work, invest, worship, express their opinions. There is a large dark shadow of a perfect storm brewing. Add to that the undercurrents of regional and sectarian sentiments, it is a time bomb waiting to explode any minute.

      Under such conditions, anyone with the right mind would support and encourage any initiative to avert such an eventuality. Except of course the regime itself because for the regime to do so, it would have to wish for its own destruction. Otherwise, no Eritrean worth the name would wish to imagine what is around the corner. Hence your analogy was misrepresented to lead to your preferred conclusion.

      • Dongolo

        Selam HaileTG. Funny you mention Somalia as I still have vivid memories of the EPLF’s old office in the Bermuda neighborhood of Mogadishu prior to 1991. The Minneapolis spawned Somali Transitional Governments (western backed) which have frequently rotated in and out of Mogadishu have been complete and utter failures which have left the country in wastelands for 3 decades. And why? Because outside -western style- implanted Governments have never been accepted by a majority of Somalis living in Somalia. Again, much needed change in Eritrea’s Governance must come from within.

        • haileTG

          Hi Dongolo,

          Here is a copy and paste of Somalia’s current PM – he is diaspora through and through (including member of the US Republican party). Most of Somalia’s leadership are diaspora throughout the last three decades.

          “Mohamed was born in Mogadishu. Mohamed is from the Marehan, a sub-clan of the Darod, the largest clan in Jubaland. His parents were activists affiliated with the Somali Youth League (SYL), Somalia’s first political party. During the 1970s, his father worked as a civil servant in the national Department of Transportation. Mohamed attended a boarding school in Somalia. When the civil war started in 1991 he claimed asylum in Canada and was eventually granted a Canadian passport. Later, he was studying in the US where he also claimed political asylum and achieved US citizenship.

          While living in Buffalo, in the United States Mohamed was a registered Republican Party member. Mohamed is a Somali citizen. Prior to August 2019, he also held American citizenship, which he voluntarily renounced.

          Mohamed is married to Saynab Abdi Moallim, the First Lady of Somalia. The couple have four children—two daughters and two sons—who still reside in the United States, as of 2019.”

          • Dongolo

            Selam HaileTG. In regards to diaspora Somali TFG members you are simply confirming what I have said. The point that I am making is that -western based- implanted Somali Governments have failed miserably over the past three decades and have left Somalia no better off than it was back in 1991. I know, as I have visited Somalia several times since 1991 and know well the transitional governments that have come and gone. I am not here to argue with that much needed change does not need to come to Eritrea, it is the manner in which this is to be accomplished that I have a much divergent opinion.

          • haileTG

            Hey Dongolo,

            The question is really, was Somalia’s problems due to diaspora sourced leadership or the problems of the previous regime and how it left Somalia? My contention is that it is the latter and diaspora Somali have only helped.

            When the regime of Said Barre fell, it was taken down by an assorted militia numbering 13 (an ominous number:). These militia had deep differences and failed to set up a unified government. The progress achieved so far came about by invaluable contribution of Somalia’s diaspora activists and citizens. I find the argument against that not to have merit. Somali’s internal youth brought abough al-shabab and other similar entities that crippled the nation.

            Based on the Somalia example, Eritrean diaspora activists will prove invaluable to stabilizing Eritrea post IA. We should not fall to the the regime’s self serving fear mongering which is to be expected.

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that had western powers not interfered with Somalia politics to include diaspora government implants, that Somalis would have long ago sorted out their problems, though maybe not to the liking of western standards. Such a lost opportunity the Islamic Courts Unions in 2006 was.

          • haileTG

            Hey Dongolo,

            I hope it be understood here that our discussion of Somalia here is to debate that diaspora/exiled citizen do actually contribute positively in shaping peaceful transition. Because, the claim that advances the opposite is unfounded.

            With that in mind, how exactly did “western implants” caused Somali militia and later warlords to disagree? How did western implants cause the ICU to declare jihad on Ethiopia in response to border incursions (around Baidoa-Mogadishu road)? How did western implants cause the ICU to involve fighters from the Afghan and Pakistan region Talibans? How did western implants cause the conflict between Al-shabab and Hizbul Islam?

            As you see, Somalia was already in deep trouble due to internal, sectarian and dictatorial hold-over problems. If you trace the path to current relative stabilization and formation of modern government structures, Somali diaspora/exiled citizens, both young and old, are to be found doing the heavy lifting of the task.

            The IA regime has managed to silence Eritreans in Eritrea through brute and inhumane treatment. The only way it can extend its hold on power is to also isolate and destroy diaspora/exiled Eritreans from making meaningful contribution to end his criminal hold on power. It therefore propagates false narratives to cause Eritreans to be suspicious of each other and prefer the safety of his abusive tenure instead. There is no such thing as western implant with some hidden agenda intending to push his/her country off the cliff. That is IA’s bed time monster TsinTsway that he tells his goons to put them to sleep. But some smart ones are peeping through the blanket and seeing the monster isn’t actually there. It is a made up character 🙂

          • Dongolo

            Selam haileTG. From the days of UNISOM I, western intervention in Somalia has prevented Somali clans and sub-clans from developing their own natural pecking order and in engaging in traditional negotiation and reconciliation processes. The west has thru the years, tried to control Mogadishu port and airport aprons (off and on the case for Kismayo), install puppet diaspora western back transitional governments, and ensured protracted internal conflict and mass IDP movement and refugee exodus. It was only after the TPLF launched an military offensive on the ICU near Bur Haquaba was the declaration of a holy war made. Afghans and Pakistani involvement? Only emerged on the Somali scene after more than 10 years of failed western intervention in Somalia. Al Shabaan and Hizbul Islam? Many of the same faces/actors were at some time a part of western supported transitional government exercises; after many years of external interference in Somali politics, the price of buying somebody off gets cheaper.

            There are so many fronts by which PIA/PFDJ can be attacked to make vulnerable to internal change. However, it appears that many are only preoccupied with change from the outside using a western power base.

          • haileTG

            Hey Dongolo,

            The first US intervention was in response to humanitarian disaster due to the blood shed after Said Barre. 4.5 million Somali exposed to famine and agriculture destroyed. That is 1992 only months after the fall of the regime. The many -soms didn’t come until 15 years of Civil strife. So, to suggest western/Somali diaspora caused it is far from the reality. In fact, Somalis don’t accuse their fellow diaspora children like that. Such is the vocabulary of the despot in Asmara. The Somali militia stolen UN food while starving their people giving reason for protection of ports and corridors.

            Western implant is code word in international politics for double agents. They are high stakes assets and infiltrate many powerful governments. Eritrean case is a tragic vacuum created by the despotic regime. Why would any one stand against any attempt for Eritreans to pick themselves up? That is very cruel that condemn Eritrean children, as yet unborn, to death and misery. I implore you to see the moral and ethical implications of what you are advocating for.

          • Saleh Johar

            Dongolo,
            Can you name the “many” who “are only preoccupied with change from the outside using a western power base.”? It’s fine if you can’t name them. But since the discussion here is about the GiE, do you consider that part the many you mentioned?

            I would appreciate a clarification.

            Thank you in advance

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            All dictators leave their country in tatters, and Somalia’s Siad Barre was among the worst.

            As for the role of Exiled Eritrea in shaping Eritrean politics since the 1940s, it was anything but negative or superficial. When the Muslim League was floundering after its split and the the defection of heavyweights to Haile Selasse, it was Exiled Eritrea that put it back on its feet. The Eritrean Liberation Movement (Haraka or Mahber Showate) was founded in exile and connected with Eritrea. The Eritrean Liberation Front was founded in exile and connected with Eritrea. The two “founding fathers” of Eritrea, Welwel and Ibrahim Sultan, spent half their life in exile. The intellectual and financial depth of EPLF (enasae and Bologna mothers) were in exile.

            Thus, GiE is in the grand tradition of Eritrean political history. And those who present it as a foreign agenda have little knowledge of Eritrean history and low opinion of their fellow Eritreans.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            ሰላም አያዲኡ,

            ሓቂ ብሓቂ ታሪኽ ቃልስና ካብ ደገ ተበጊሱ ናብ ውሽጢ ዘምረሐ’ዩ ነይሩ::

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haw Dongolo,

      First your labeling the X-Presidents is subjective. If we apply the Nationalism grouping I commented above, I would put the Eritrean exiled officials as Rational Nationalists for they stood for their people. Unfortunately, IA would be on the Classism side.

      All in all and literally, the government is in exile including the ministers, civil servants and the youth. I believe also Yiakl is going to be part of GiE.

      Based on these, I believe GiE will garner public support and achieve its goal.

      Thank you for engaging with an “Integrative Approach.”

  • Aman Y.

    Happy belated Easter,

    ERISAT reported a tragic news:Jornalist, Aron Berhane has passed away. It is a shock. Eritrea is loosing her brave justice seekers , Meron Estifanos wrote”a human rights advocate, a skillful journalist, a true patriot. As a co-founder of Setit, he escaped the dungeons of DIA & continued to fight for freedom & his fellow journalists.” Indeed. My codolances, to family, frieds and to the Eritrean people at large

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Aman Y,

      This is a very sad news. We lost another vibrant and brave journalist too soon. I met him at EYC conference in Washington DC. A true humanist and a patriot with a full zeal to emancipate the people he loves. A fighter passed away but his struggles will continue, and his torch is in the hand of his comrade. May he rest at peace and his families get strength in this difficult times.

      Regard

    • Brhan

      Hello Aman Y

      Indeed a very shocking and sad news

      R.I.P Aaron Berhane. A brave journalist and lecturer in a college. He was the voice of the voiceless. Eritrea lost one of her dearest sons!

      May his family get strength in these challenging times.

    • Berhe Y

      Hi Aman,

      This is really sad to hear.

      I read not so long ago the tribute he wrote for Milkeas in the website he use to maintain meftih dot ca where he published news paper for long time.

      CBC had a profile about him 10 years ago titles “escape from Eritrea” where he was finally connected with his family.

      I think he completed his masters and was teaching at university.

      I wondered what happened, really sad.

      Berhe

  • haileTG

    Selamat AY,

    I was reading a small bit about this stuff recently and it seems the subject is interesting. Actually, Huruy Tedla Bairu was addressing a Q few days ago and said in passing that Eritrea doesn’t have Bher/dominant group rather it is made up of constituents with their own individual lineages. We use bher for Egziabher!

    Nation is a related group by language or culture – Somali Nation, Tigray Nation, Amhara Nation….

    State is the administrative structure of a multi Nation regions – Ethiopian Federal State, State of Eritrea, USSR….

    Government is thus the structure with powers to make and enforce laws atop a State or Nation.

    If someone loves his/her Nation – nationalist
    If someone loves his/her State – patriot
    If someone loves his/her government – loyalist.

    Your expansion of Nationalizm was interesting addition too.

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haw Haile TG

      Thank you for bringing this up. I never had an opportunity to discuss it. How can we explain then, United Nations, National Team, Inter National, National Language, National Anthem…?

      Can you or some one also say something about Hager, Ager, Awraja…?

      Egzia’`Behier also should have been more than Egzia’Alem. A good
      subject to ponder.

      On my previous comment I was trying to initiate a discussion on why citizens follow leaders “blindly”.

  • said

    Greetings
    Semere Tesfai Your comment(The rest is just pleasant dreams and venting of feelings – which is perfectly fine with me )

    Semere and alike, Rational discussion is out the window . he never address the real issue Eritrea is facing. He is in ‘denial’ stage. Even a cursory overview demonstrates the failure of denial. He serves to obscure the real power structure ,controlled by his evil man . He sees himself as special, different, special ethnicity ‘select group ,’ and no one would deny a people pride in themselves no matter who they . But follower of IA NNNN these extreme statements go far beyond normal bounds. They indicate exclusivity ,a kind of self-absorption, a self-glorification, IA narcissism, and deep conceit. Only chosen people to rule Eritrea , and to be granted the right to rule, ruthlessly, at expense over all other ethnic Eritreans , bespeaks a kind of megalomania that is unprecedented in history. This is the core truth from which all the rest proceeds .I am certainly not in any position to evaluate what continues to be a very problematic area which has been covered. . I am not interested relish making enemies for the sake of making enemies. My criticisms are uniformly blunt and damning.
    You cannot tell the truth to others if you cannot first tell the truth to yourselves. purge yourself of the scourge of wrong nationalism .Admit and make genuine repentance that you are totally wrong, only with repentance you will be avoiding further sin become a habit. that your Master evil man actions traumatized, injured, and killed thousands of Eritrean people. Stop evading responsibility, making excuses for your master , and lying about his crime and other unsavory dimensions of his past 30 years long . You do not want Eritrean name to be associated with (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the formal name for North Korea)
    He need take a close look at himself in the mirror to see that his face staring back at him, his steering eyes filled with self-righteousness, ignorance, arrogance. Freedom is not slavery. his mind polluted with wrong nationalism .While the truth sometimes hurts, it can also be liberating.

    He is disgraceful, he has zero credibility. He have no conscience. Enough has been said, here and elsewhere. many of his comments eminently predictable and also reflect the views of his master .he should know better. Eritrea had no right to be there in Tigray in the first placemat is a foreign invader. It’s that simple.

    Having said that, The hatred he shows and the idiocy that he write ,is nothing new Leave aside the callous, he bring disrespectful imagery of war theater . None of this conveys the full depth of disregard for Eritrean lives .He careless about Eritrean dying as disposables. No one will come forward to speak truth to power. And He careless about the indignity that our people are being subjected to by his master . is there even concern? Eritrean are looking for solace? He is against the accepted ideas of what constitutes civilisation, humanity .development ,happiness and progress.

    I’m all in favor of the freedom for him to choose whatever he wish to be, or think himself to be. But be honest . he believe leading our country to greatness . this how he lies, this is it! He own the Right Hall of Shame. He write as those he is representatives of His master. His master he careless about tens of thousands Eritrean people who were already living precarious lives and have been pushed into abject poverty. This is how it is in this devastatingly poor country of ours .
    Eritrean cries for help often falling on deaf ears And we are paying the price of our complacency in one way or the other . Eritrea is full of people with rebellions feelings with the opposition forbidden to work inside Eritrea from day one and having no right role to play in the political life of our society .this is a terrible time for vast numbers of people of Eritrea . This unfolding story

    He knows what their real agendas were dominates society disproportionately ,in favor of PFDJ . To yield to IA. evil is itself, a great evil. No moral capitulation to a malevolent ruling, It is to condemn one’s own future, life of increasing brutality and of conflict and war. Which we are witnessing .

    Living in dictatorship means that every major aspect of society is affected. IA get away with everything. And in fact dominate key sectors of society.
    IA and Ilk care less about Eritrean well-being, and they are committed to cause mass suffering and mass death. Short Eritrean History tells us that IA and his minions, the scum of humanity will stoop to anything—the most heinous, the most criminal, the most unethical—committed to promote their ends. Even if takes to start a new war.

    30 year history of hatred and contempt for the most of Eritreans is played out in the present day. This is not speculation; most Eritrean all know these facts are well-attested and well-documented. IA evil it is the root cause of virtually all our present-day political ,economical and host of social problems, all of which have been created and exacerbated by IA and PFDJ evil men . We can scarcely imagine what life could be like without their ruling Eritrea.

    Eritrean with a conscience, with a sense of moral outrage, and with a larger sense of justice, Eritrean are utterly appalled at the situation in Eritrea .
    No truly concerned Eritrean can accept this. Eritrean must confront the situation head-on. To fight against IA evil,; it actually makes life worth living. Even if victory is a long way off—and ultimate victory for Eritrean opposition side is inevitable, once we understand the history IA junta. Eritrean innocent people who have been unjustly attacked over the three decade.And victory will be one day closer.

    Despite all this, many of Eritrean opposition persevere. Eritrean opposition realize that public education is one of their primary weapons in the Great Struggle to free us from IA regime, and Eritrean opposition are bound and determined to press ahead and inform as many as possible of the nature of the situation . Therefore, it is Eritrean opposition to understand more precisely how Eritrean people typically respond to Eritrean opposition agenda overtures, to be more effective in their communication. After all, Eritrean opposition are pursuing a great noble cause, and united Eritrean opposition sincerely want Eritrean to be well-informed and, ideally, to join Eritrean opposition mission. Generally speaking, what they have are facts, experiences, and informed opinions and how to go about to get ride IA regime.

    • Brhan

      Thanks, Said,

      I want to add to your comment on a new but old technique that he has used in his last comment to Haile TG. This technique has been adopted and implemented very well by PF(DJ). The instruction refers to depict yourself as anti-PF(DJ) and try to disrupt the opposition and their initiatives. In another way, as long as you achieve the goal ( the disruption), the tool doesn’t matter.

      He is telling that he is anti-PF(DJ) and at the same time telling lies to discredit GiE.

      How others have used the technique

      The Eritrean regime supporters/sympathizers claiming refugee status in a safe country have used the technique, but that has put some of them in danger. They say they fear for their lives if, they return to Eritrea when they ask for asylum, and then once the safe country accepts, their cases and are considered conventional refugees travel Eritrea?

      He can be an American citizen but remember supporting a dictatorial regime in Eritrea that the civilized world, including the USA, has had an issue dealing with is putting him in an awkward position while telling a lie he is anti-PF(DJ). To defend the government as he does means he is but the regime’s representative or strong supporter: careless if he looses his citizenship and ready to be deported from the US!

      • said

        Selam Brhan,

        Thank you for your comment .Semere he is the prophet of gloom and doom and he is known to oppose to any possible change that lead to democracy ,at his heat he is deep hardcore sectarian.

  • haileTG

    Merhaba Awatista!

    Happy and Blessed Easter! May this Easter bring true resurrection to everything that died in our lives and our country. EnkuwaE nab be’ale T’nsaE abq’ana::

    • Abi

      ኃይላችን
      ላንተም መልካም የፋሲካ በዓል ይሁንልህ::
      መልካም ምኞትህን ለሁሉም አዳርሰው:: ይህን ማዳላትና ስስት ከየት ተማርከው?
      በስመአብ!!

      • haileTG

        Guad Abi,

        Sorry, not intentional! You’re Awatista, so hoped that you are included. But, selamna bereket lemela yeEthiopia hizb yhunlet.

        • Reclaim Abyssinia

          Hi HaileTG and All,
          I don’t think Guad and religion go together well.

          I grew up in the socialist era, and I would never have predicted to have a prime minister in Ethiopia that follow a religion.
          I was stunned to see AA praying when he was standing next to IA. I thought that will be the end of the relationship.

          Ethiopia is going mad over religion lately, and way too many holidays. putting aside the juicy story of religion, I must admit that I love holidays. Yami foods.., yesterday I was invited for great Ramadan ፈጡር with አደሬ family አብሽ ወጥ (Sauce with’አብዓኬ’ kind of), etc..Today was Easter Feast in a friends house, another feast a little bit of tender ጥሬ,etc. Going to Merkato to buy new clothes for the holiday with the parent was priceless. The West is so boring… you can’t even get your children to move from a couch to buy them new cloth. No excitments.

          Hey kids, let’s go buy some cloth. Kids: can we do it tomorrow?, parent: tomorrow is a holiday, kids: so.
          Parent: you kids continue to watch Netflix, I’m going out to ሃበሻ ሰፈር for a bit of ቂማ kids: we will tell on you, mum, mum, dad is going chewing again.
          Happy Easter to all, I hope you have a great feast!

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Reclaim Abisinia,

            I like the process flow chart you made for GiE. Inline with Integrative approach, l would suggest it offers the organizations choices for the agreements chronologically . Example:

            1. Agree to agree

            2. Agree to negotiate

            3. Affiliation

            4. Partnership

            5. Merge

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Aman,
            Thank you, this is great.
            Looks like this addresses important issues when there is disagreement…, I will do it on the weekend, in the meantime,
            Question:
            1. If there is an agreement did they have to record the type of
            agreement?
            2. If a disagreement does it need to be in a certain sequence/vector or just a set of data/options?

            Thanks again,
            Reclaim

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Selamat Aman and All,

            Please see the link below for an updated version of the process as per your recommendation.
            I have added a layer called junction. I also took the liberty to label it as mediation.

            https://ibb.co/dggDzp1

            Regards, Reclaim

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          እንዲህ ነው እንጂ!!!

  • haileTG

    Selamat awatista,

    Taking risky initiative vs. Weighing the options

    Since the inception of the GiE idea, many Eritreans jumped to support it while others are taking time to weigh their options. Both responses are fine, but the purpose of this thread is self reflection – as Eritreans and what is happening to Eritrea.

    Suppose you are asked to use a rope and lower yourself from a 30th floor balcony of a high rise building down to the 19th floor balcony, dangling down and tied to the rope that may be a little shaky. In return, you will get $20. Clearly, $20 is not worth the risk. If the rope snaps, you may fly down to your death. Well, how about if the prize is raised to $1000? You may still be not willing to take the risk. What if you were given the option to name your prize amount? Well, you may say a number you are willing to gamble your life with or you may just say pass.

    The above position is very rational, very reasonable, because the risk may not be worth it at the end of the day. Why bother to put your happy and healthy life at risk? Right?

    Now, lets look at the same scenario again. The challenge is the same, i.e. to go down a high rise building at a grave risk to your life and a small possibility that you may pull it off in one piece. The only difference is that your child is trapped on the 19th floor balcony and could fall to his/her death if you don’t try something to rescue them in brief short time. Most people would be thankful for the shaky rope and would attempt to scale down without hesitation. Never mind $20, $1000 or any amount.

    The second scenario involve exactly the same risk as the first, but it is mostly taken up at a heart beat, without a second thought! The main difference is the motivating factor. When people weigh their options, ask too many questions and analyze different outcomes, they are working for themselves. Looking at what would profit them most, what would secure their own interest best and so forth. Imagine if the commitment to help Eritreans languishing in jails for life, Eritreans thrown to battle fields that doesn’t concern them, Eritreans dying attempting to flee the country or in refugee camps, the hopes dashed, the lives destroyed, the opportunities lost and the real danger hanging like a cloud over their heads…was heartfelt and devastating? How many would squander valuable time creating intractable imaginary problems, how many would instead rush and pull in whatever little they have and leave the rest to the almighty God? Many indeed. Unfortunately, if we reflect on ourselves and look hard inside, the truth is not something to be proud of.

    So, as Eritreans are attempting to salvage what is left of what we call home by setting up a GiE, it stands to reason to do all we can – from the small positive comments to huge material and personal sacrifice – not for why we do it but for the sake of who we are doing it for.

    Please watch short and spectacular, heart stopping video, that you might have seen in the past, with the above view in mind:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WISmbOw_bMk

    Thanks

    • kokhob selamone2

      Hi Haile the great,

      What a link. I am very recommending, in watching it for every reader..

      KS,,

      • haileTG

        Hey Kokobay,

        ባርዕ ኣጋጢሙ ደዊለ

        ኦፐሬቶር ሄሎ ድማ በለ

        ሓደጋ ሓዊ ገጢሙኒ እኖሆለ
        ከይደ’ለኹ ኣነ ብመስኮት ዘሊለ

        እዋእ እንታይ ገጠመካ ከምዚ’ ዘለ
        በል ክንእክቦም ኣባላትና ከምገለ
        ቀዲምና ብተመኩሮና ንፈላለ
        ሽዑ’ቲ ዕላማ ነጺሩ ይልለ
        መታን ሓደ ውሒዱ ነቲ ሓደ ከይዕብልለ
        ናውቲ መጥፍእ ሓዊ ማዕረ ይምቀለ
        እንተኾነ ተልእኾና ካብ መንገዲ ከይእለ
        መጀመርያ ንተኣከብ ብዕስለ
        ቁሩብ ግን ንፋናተት ሰብ ከይወድቅ እናተሓንኮለ….

        ኣነ ድማ

        ኣንታ’ዛ ባርዕባ በጃኹም ከምገለ…

        • kokhob selamone2

          Hi Hailat TG,

          I must ask permission to put the same in Jebena page, Please do that,,

          KS,,

        • Aman Y.

          ሰላም ወሰናይ ለኩልክኡሙ

          ተሓናገር ብመስርዕ
          ግቡእክ አይትረሰዕ
          እንታ’ዩ ዝባርዕ
          ንዓ ጽን በል ስማዕ

          ንሓግዝ ወላዲት
          ይትረፈና መሬት
          ብዘይ ክልተ ምእታዊት
          ኩላ ሃገራዊት

          ንግደፎ ዝአበር
          ንደይብ ብሓባር
          የለን ዝወዳደር
          ንናይ ጽንዓት መስመር

          ከይወደአት ዓቕላ
          ጊዜ አይነጥፈአላ
          ክንድህስስ አስካላ
          በይና ተሪፋላ.
          ወዳ ትጽበ’ላ

          ተወዲኡዶ ትልሚ
          ክየብዛሕና ሕልሚ
          ብቕዳምነት
          መንግስቲ ይመረት።

          • kokhob selamone2

            Dear Aman Y,

            -ንግደፎ ዝአበር
            ንደይብ ብሓባር
            የለን ዝወዳደር
            ንናይ ጽንዓት መስመር::

            Really nice..

            KS,,

    • Saleh Johar

      HaileTG,
      A nice analogy. It made me think, I wish I didn’t . What if the the father of the child on the 19th floor has denied it is his child though he didn’t make that public?

      The way I see it, there are two perpetual problems:
      1- everyone says “hizbi” but one would think they would talk to every Eritrean individually. They forget you talk to the people through their political entities except in public announcements.
      2- many reject any initiative if they are not on the driving seat—super ego
      3- they do nothing but wait for an opportunity to be vocal even by damaging causes for the common good.
      4- ten man groupies think they have a veto power and believe they can damage initiatives with impunity—it is an opportunity to shine
      4- elite? They forget political initiatives are taken by the elite though they forget every founder of an organization or the initiators of the Eritrean struggle were elite.
      5- ቆማጣ: ቆማጣ ባይሉት ገብቸ ልፈተፍት ይላል , says a certain Ras.

      I think my tolerance for none sense is running thin:-)

    • saay7

      Selamat Hailat:

      In science, what you shared is called “hysterical strength”: a sudden burst of adrenaline caused by life-and-death situation, like the famous cases of women who can lift a car to save a trapped child. Reflecting Eritrea as an entity in that state is not hard (Lampedusa did it: even the conscience-dead were awakened), the challenge is how do you sustain it particularly when people’s built-in survival mode also allows them to normaliaze the abnormal. In fact, one of the things that used to fascinate me when listening to Sawa kids is that they wouldn’t give you the details of their torture: they think they are boring you and they are like say something like ዳሕራይ ፌሮ ኣትየ normal ሽዑ ሄሊኮፕተር ጌሮምኒ normal ዳሕራይ ንሰሙን underground ኣትየnormal…”. In fact one of the saddest stories I heard was of a student asking her teacher “Teacher: how do you say underground in English?”

      PBS has a special on the abnormality of Eritrea. Most Americans who watch it will be appalled; Eritreans will shrug. እዚ ድኣ normal!

      saay

    • Semere Tesfai

      Selam HaileTH

      1. – ” Imagine if the commitment to help Eritreans languishing in jails for life, Eritreans thrown to battle fields that doesn’t concern them, Eritreans dying attempting to flee the country or in refugee camps, the hopes dashed, the lives destroyed, the opportunities lost and the real danger hanging like a cloud over their heads…was heartfelt and devastating? How many would squander valuable time creating intractable imaginary problems, how many would instead rush and pull in whatever little they have and leave the rest to the almighty God? Many indeed. Unfortunately, if we reflect on ourselves and look hard inside, the truth is not something to be proud of.”

      That is pure dishonesty in your part. And let me explain why:

      Dishonesty #1. You never cared or scarified a dime during Eritrea’s 30 years independence war. To be specific (a) when Hazemo, Semhar, Sahel, Barka, Gash….. were burning and close to 3/4 of a million Eritrean Muslims were made refugees to Sudan (b) when people were being slaughter like animals in Ad-Ebrihim, Ona, Beskidira, in the streets of Asmara, Wekidba, ShEib, Massawa…………..

      Dishonesty #2. You’re here at the forefront of Awate promoting the Idea of GiE. But under all your blubbers, it is self evident, you yourself don’t believe and don’t have confidence on yourself and the very concept of GiE. ብነብሱን፡ በቲ ሒዝዎ ዝጓዓዝ ዘሎ ዕላማን ዝተኣማመን ሰብ፡ ኣብ ጸልማት ድነ ኮይኑ ኣይምድርን ‘ዩ። ኣብ ቃልዕ ብርሃን ወጺኡ እዩ ዝምጉት። Why promote GiE under a penname? Why not under a real name out in the open for all to see?

      Dishonesty #3: If you’re really, really, interested in having a bright future for Eritrea – a future of good governance, stability, security, prosperity, equality and human dignity, why not sell your vision. Why not galvanize the Eritrean public with your vision. Why not challenge the PFDJ regime, its supporters, and defenders with your vision. Why not make the PFDJ regime powerless and hopeless with your vision for future Eritrea.

      Why sell the wrongdoings and mistakes of the PFDJ regime – that everybody knows. The PFDJ government is incompetent doesn’t mean the vocal opposition are competent. The PFDJ government is evil doesn’t mean the opposition are saints. The PFDJ government is bad doesn’t mean the opposition are any better. The opposition are competent, desirable, and better alternative to the PFDJ government only when they prove themselves to the Eritrean people that they are better. And they haven’t done so, so far. Honestly quite the contrary.

      2. – This is not rocket science. One doesn’t need exceptional talent to figure this out. When we – the likes of Semere Tesfai – say attempting to unite the Eritrean opposition is insanity beyond comprehension, we’re not being blind supporters of the PFDJ regime. We’re just stating the obvious. You can’t make electrons and protons hug and kiss each other with a minimal effort (30 days). You can’t unite opposite charged elements with minimal effort. You cant unite Jihadists and Islamists who want to create a Caliphate Muslim Eritrea with AgAzians who wanted to create a Christian Tigrigna State. You can’t Unite secessionists who wanted to breakaway from Eritrea with Eritreans who wanted to chart a common destiny. You can’t unite Woyane inspired ethnic warriors who want to erect walls between communities to unite and blend with their Eritrean compatriots. You can’t unite Unionists who oppose the very concept of sovereign Eritrea with Eritrean patriots who want to chart their future destiny united. And those are the opposition brands we have today – and accepting some to the GiE while rejecting others says a lot in itself.

      3. – I’m not a betting person; but I’m going to make a bet today. I’m not going to ask Saay to unite the Eritrean opposition however many they may be – fully or partially. No, No, that ain’t going to happen; and I’m not going to ask for that. I’m going to make a bet for a whole lot less – zero organizations united. And this is my bet: If Saay can assemble a GiE Team:

      A. – That consists reasonable, rational people who are a microcosm of Eritrea in
      every way

      B. – Who believe on the cause of GiE and are committed to advance the cause

      C. – Who are willing to reveal their identity and willing to travel all over the globe to
      promote their idea of GiE and to defend it in a mixed crowd – in every
      community.

      He (Saay) wins. And I concede defeat; and I acknowledge that publicly here in Awate for all to see. Deal!

      Semere Tesfai

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Semere Tesfai,

        You wrote:
        “You never cared or scarified a dime during Eritrea’s 30 years independence war. To be specific (a) when Hazemo, Semhar, Sahel, Barka, Gash….. were burning and close to 3/4 of a million Eritrean Muslims were made refugees to Sudan (b) when people were being slaughter like animals in Ad-Ebrihim, Ona, Beskidira, in the streets of Asmara, Wekidba, ShEib, Massawa…”.

        Never mind Haile didn’t do what you are accusing him of. But, is it not for keeping the “3/4 million Eritrean Muslims” away from returning to their homes in their own country that you are committed to supporting the regime of Isayas Afewerki because it satiates your passion for sectarian majority mindset? I think no one in this forum is unfamiliar about your position on this issue.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Semere, Rhus Awdeamet!

        I know too well your mumbo-jumbo acrobatics usually fails to deliver:) This one is no different.

        #1 I haven’t contributed to Eritrean independence:

        The false distinction between those who contributed and those who didn’t is just that. False. Did those who were killed in the tragedies you like to use for cheap and vain arguments actually contributed?? Well, in your convoluted view, may be they did by getting killed and raped! You see how empty your rhetoric is? All Eritreans have contributed and the sadist is claiming it as his own. Worse still, you support that simply to maintain your unholy fear of part of Eritrea.

        #2 why use a pen name:

        The dishonesty on your part is that you only don’t support anonymity when it is on opposition side. Do you know all regime infiltrators are anonymous? You’re OK with that? Actually, don’t you know that the reason Eritrean political landscape was destroyed by the regime’s fielding many anonymous operatives at all levels. I speak far openly against the regime here and in Eritrea and observe its activity way closely. All western countries have legal protection for anonymous work. Whisleblowers, protection of innocent family members and security reasons allow for that. What we fight against in Eritrea is not so much political, rather cruel criminal actions. Yes, the GiE one thing that I will be working with and doing so doesn’t require anonymity because the time and situation warrant it for me. But, I was much effective in Eritrea in 2019 updating people what is happening outside than when I did arguing here. So, is well and all is balanced. However, when we benefit from anonymous privileges, we should not abuse it by using it outside of its immediate remit. Not for insulting, confusing and disinformation as you do even without or the PFDJ do anonymous.

        #3 why not sell my vision:

        Eritrean problem isn’t matter of political vision and choice. It is humanitarian problem where children are incarcerated, organ harvesting and human Trafficking is state sanctioned, disappearance, mass exudes and violence on the defenseless. To change it doesn’t require better political vision but a human conscience.

        2 – not possible to unite Eritreans:

        You’re slow here. GiE needs all to work for common goal. No one need to change, hug, kiss…blah blah

        3- your bet:

        You’re a betting man. You just don’t know it.

        Good day.

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Semere,

        Though it is not necessary to respond to a recycled argument and baseless accusation, but it is imperative to respond to some questions you have raised, for letting them without answers might be indicative of weakness to a challenge. So knowing you will twist and veer it to your usual game, as you did to Haile-TG, I will attempt to answer to some of your question.

        A – You asked: “Why sell the wrongdoings and mistakes of the PFDJ regime – that everybody knows”.

        First, an opposition organizations fight for the wrong doings and mistakes of the regime in place. That is their primary job, in the hope the regime will correct its mistakes and admit their wrong doings. This is the first stage in their overall strategy. Second, when it does not look to happen, then they fight by all means to remove it, taking it up one notch in their opposition. Third, in the process you assemble all the opposition forces to rally to one goal – the removal of the evil man at the helm. The United front of EPLF and TPLF was only for one purpose – to remove the evil derg regime. They hadn’t similar visions and philosophical views. The purpose of GIE and Haile-TG is to create similar political and strategical realities.

        B – You asked to Haile-TG: “ If you’re really, really, interested in having a bright future for Eritrea ………….. why not sell your vision”?

        If he found a proposal or a vision presented by someone that he could support, promote, and defend, there is no need to go for his own. And it doesn’t show that Hailat couldn’t able to promote his vision by any means. Your question can not be a test of his intellectual acumen, and he shouldn’t do it to satisfy your motive, if he has already something at his disposal to fight for.

        C – Finally, if you believe Haile-TG is a pen name, how do you know whether he contributed or not in the 30 years of armed struggle, as there are many in Awate forum who use pen name and did contribute their share in the army struggle? Second, when did you contribute doesn’t matter if some one have or is contributing at his choice of frame time. ሕጂ ዝተቃለስካዮ አብዚ ኾይንካ አይተጉባብዓልና:: ምስቲ ሓራድን ቀታልን “አጸገዓዮ” እንደባለ ንህዝብና ዘጽንት ዘሎ ኾይንካ ዘራፍ አይትበለና::

        • saay7

          Selamat Emma:

          I don’t know why you and Hailat spend 5 minutes wasting your time with the Former Tegadalai and now a hard core apologist for Isaias. Everybody has a right to be a waste. To paraphrase the United Negro College Fund whose slogan was “a mind is a terrible thing to waste” well sometimes “a waste is a terrible thing to mind.” Let him wither on his vine: he made his choice.

          Now something inspiring. EriSat has a tribute to the great and gone too soon Milkias Mihreteab. They have created “The Milkias Mihreteab Yohannes Award for Independent Journalism and Courage” in his honor, to coincide with tomorrow’s international recognition of the fighters for free press. Please listen to the video where his former colleagues (including our own GiE task team member Habteab Yemane) paying tribute to him, exemplifying the best of Eritrea. It will inspire, embolden and cheer you up. It is time well spent, instead of talking to those who should be institutionalized for their moral depravity.

          It’s on EriSat’s Facebook page and it’s less than an hour.

          One of the things I am most proud of Awate is that when Milkias was forced to leave eritrea he considered Awate U as his home and penned many awesome articles.

          Saay

          • haileTG

            Haha saay! “a waste is a terrible thing to mind”… anta mexelel eka! Can’t stop laughing:) Rhus beal and thanks for the heads up.

          • Saleh Johar

            HaileTG,
            All Semere got against you is that you didn’t disclose your real name. However, I will have you instead of a dozen a dime cult members who use their real names. It’s character and integrity
            It’s not names because peoples positions are judged by their view and yiu have been stellar sine you graced this forum. I just wanted to register my view on that

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hi Saay,
            You just remind me the ድዓ (no offence) we used to make when you said “a waste is a terrible thing to mind.”

            የአላሕ ያረዛቅ
            የማይበጀን ኣሩን ይዛቅ

      • said

        Selam Semere ,

        If “by their words you shall know them. applies to PFDJ regime supporters like you and the confess to be true Christian and faith IA adherent . The False and ugly distortions of Christ’s message of true love, tolerance, charity ,compassion ,empathy and brotherhood. Kindness Goodness and love your neighbour do not seem to follow you all of those thirty years and not now . and it seems very dubious proposition they will be found there should anyone go looking for them in IA kingdom of Eritrea ,let alone in heaven after they are gone from this earthly realm.
        You and alike Regime supporters who believe they are true Christian are truly lost soul.

        You may think of yourself ,Politically savvy individual .As always your of Vilification is Nonsense. you stand opposed to Eritrean people aspiration and hope , you are not so fine with it you are still live an ethno-sectarian cultural identity and exclusionary forms of narrow nationalism . sadly you feel you will be losing a special status if your master IA is gone, you are against peaceful coexistence of Eritrean . you reject and oppose a Eritrean unified civic national identity this kind of extremist you are .you stand for injustice period . It’s ridiculous. you stand opposed to multiethnic society to succeed. Equality to all religion, culture, language, ethnic background, etc Eritrean people want A civic nation must include all those who reside within Eritrean border.
        Eritrean citizens—unified by a commitment to basic democratic ideals post IA — patriotism is not rooted in ethnicity, Eritrean civic national identity,an inclusive , that bond citizens of different ethinc backgrounds to one another, who desire to share not only membership in a political system but who will recognize obligations to one another and to a common good that benefits the whole national community in post IA.
        Ask yourself what ‘ve done in your entire life, besides bashing and criticizing Eritrean opposition. Whatever victories Eritrean opposition will be achieved in the long struggle to achieve the political representation, human rights, dignity, economic justice, equality, inclusivity and other causes dear to the hearts of those who have struggled to bring changes , Eritrean opposition and Eritrean people at large will be victorious . the PFDJ knows on thing how to put our population submissive. Eritrean people face problem of poverty, inequality, and inequity and the survival of future generations is at risk. Eritrean people feel overwhelmed by all of these dire crises. Eritrean people they want a 21st Century economy, they ‘re going to have to at least catch up to what other countries have been doing since the middle of the 20th. Of course, that is a very tall order . As we are all well aware . Eritrea of IA is bottom of index .

        IA dictatorship has the real power over anything that matters in Eritrea. and brings to mind one of Benjamin Franklin’s most famous lines: ‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

        You are known entity . Even a forgiving and patient God isn’t likely to be tricked by their love of Jesus and protestations of love for Jesus so one like who call yourselves Christians, but are you true believer of Jesus message ,what you are more extreme and reactionary, fake , backward and not enlightened PFDJ regime supporters you breed ignorance, extremism, hatred. The number of lost souls in Eritrea seems to be smaller than ever. they seek the subjugation and annihilation of those who don’t supporter them.

        Immanuel Kant defined “radical evil” as the drive, often carried out under a righteous façade, to surrender to absolute self-love. Those gripped by radical evil always externalize evil. They lose touch with their own humanity. They are blind to their own innate depravity.

        Though I’m very much of a believer in the afterlife, there is a place hell, for those spicily the criminal tugs ones who took innocent Eritrean lives .there is lot of space there will be reserved for these heartless and soulless hypocrites who pretend to observe a faith about which they seem almost entirely clueless and dead soul .
        IA godless legitimized soulless people like himself and yourself , and that legitimatizing of soulless people spread even to those who were, unlike IA atheist , Those who themselves regular church attendees and readers of the bible. How much they real understood of what they read is, of course question.
        PFDJ regime supporters like yourself ,Many lost souls do not dive deep into the bible, but at same time seeking hope for redemption. Forgetting The commandment “Love your neighbor as yourself” is perverted to “Love PFDJ criminal fellow Christians as yourself.
        The simplistic IA message was always the same. Eritrea was divided into us and them, divided between comrades and enemies, neighbors and strangers. the blessed PFDJ regime supporters and the damned who oppose them, you are an agent of evil.

        what Augustine calls the grace of love, or volo ut sis (I want you to be). It replaces it with an ideology that condemns all those outside the magic circle. There is, in relationships based on love, an affirmation of the mystery of the other, an affirmation of unexplained and unfathomable differences. These relationships not only recognize that others have a right to be, as Augustine wrote, This sacredness of difference is an anathema to PFDJ regime supporters like yourself and many others.

        You and your like have to say We’re sorry.
        If only supporter of PFDJ people could take those words to sincere heart, undertaking to finally pressure their PFDJ regime to echo these words, and themselves say, “We’re sorry. We’re so very sorry.”
        We’re sorry for coldly viewing Eritrea to target Eritrea rich culture of tolerance environment and then PFDJ systematically destroying our peaceful society .PFDJ are in destroying Eritrean electrical facilities, , all kind if civil infrastructure, health care, education, and livelihood.

        We’re sorry for believing PFDJ somehow had a right to the resource in our land, and 1950 our fathers relatively lived reasonably well and to some degree prior to forced confederation and annexation we’re sorry many of us lived in peace and lived so well because we were producing our consuming our own precious and irreplaceable resources and better in environment in every sector of economics
        We’re sorry for PFDJ sending our youth to be slaughtered in thousands to avoidable war and IA your evil master made Eritrea through action face economic sanctions and then you want us and expecting PFDJ to thank us for liberating Eritrea and be slaved again . We’re sorry for wrongfully accusing Eritrean innocent opposition for treasury of while we looked the other way as Ethiopia have still interest in Eritrea Atrocities of war accumulate, horrifically. We regain supporters have yet to realize the war of 30 year for independence and continuation of war was both the futility and immense consequences of war made by IA regime.
        We’re sorry for again traumatizing our youth and no future to the children born today and sadly forgotten how to laugh. We’re sorry to remind you Ethiopian realities of war by bombing, that maimed. mutilated, , exhausted and traumatized our people and our fighters have not yet healed and bereaved survivors of the vicious bombing and causing enormous wreckage day out day in anticipating a terrible aerial bombing . There are no words for how terrible it was. Then PFDJ inept and causing more suffering and continue to so with their grand mama Ethiopia.

  • Aman Y.

    ሰላም ሰላም

    ንዑ ንወሃሃድ ንክንሰማማዕ
    ማሕላ ንእቶ ንሰማማዕ
    ክሰልጠና

    አይንሰሓሓብ ንቅድሚት ንድሕሪት
    ብጽምዲ ንስራሕ ክተፍሪ መሬት
    ንተክል መንግስትና
    ነወፊ እጃምና

    ምጥርጣር ንሓድ ሒድና
    ይትረፈና ክይተፋለጥና
    ንቀራረብ አብዛ መአድና
    ገጊደና አሎና ኩልና

    እቶም ናይ ቀደም ብህያው ተሞኩረና
    እቶም ናይ ሎሚ ብተበጉሰና
    ሓቢርና አሎና

    ንኽንሰማማዕ ንሰማመዕ

    Aman Y. My first ever

    • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

      ኣማን ብኣማን!

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት
    ንፍሽኽታ [ጸቕጢ የጉድል ስለዝብሉ ‘ቶም ዝፈልጡ]

    ወርሒ ዶ ጸሓይ
    ሓዊ ዶ ማይ
    ጎራሕ ዶ ሃላይ
    ኣድጊ ዶ ብዕራይ
    hgdf ዶ GiE
    GiE ይብል ሰዓይ
    ሕራይ

    ‘ምበርዶ ብጥዕንኡ ‘ሎ ዝወዲ?

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ኣብ ድስቲ ዶ ጻሕሊ
    ክኽሽና ‘ዛ ዝግኒ
    ብጠስሚ
    ተዝምሰለለይሲ
    ሕውስ!
    ገለ ስሚ

    ናብ ቤት ጽሕፈት ዓዲ ሃሎ
    ምቅርቲ ‘ያ ‘ንታይ ከይትብሎ
    ጻሕለይ ኣውቶማቲክ ክትስበር
    ነዚ ተረገም ግን
    ዕዝር ከተብሎ

    ቅድሚ መዓልቲ-ናጽነት
    መታን ዜጋ ክረክብ ቅሳነት
    ሰብ ስደት ክንረግጻ ‘ታ መሬት
    ‘ዛኹላ ህዝቢ ብዘይ ገበን
    ዝተሓረመት
    ዝገርም ‘ዩ ናይ ህግደፍ ጥልመት

    ኣይትሓዙለይ ታ ጻሕሊ ኣብ ዲዛይን ያ ዘላ። ቀሪባ!

    • kokhob selamone2

      Wow Handesa,

      -ቅድሚ መዓልቲ-ናጽነት
      መታን ዜጋ ክረክብ ቅሳነት
      ሰብ ስደት ክንረግጻ ‘ታ መሬት
      ‘ዛኹላ ህዝቢ ብዘይ ገበን
      ዝተሓረመት
      ዝገርም ‘ዩ ናይ ህግደፍ ጥልመት ::-

      what a poem man, Nice keep it this way please. But I wold request you to come to Jebena page..

      KS,,

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Thank you, Ustaz KoKobay!

  • kokhob selamone2

    To All,

    I wish part of our participants are Ethiopians too.

    KS,,

  • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

    ሰላማት

    ፍትሒ ‘ተትልግስለይ
    ምስዓብኩኺ
    ሰላም ‘ተተስፍንለይ
    ምስፈትኹኺ
    ሓርነት ‘ተተዕምብብለይ

    መን ኣሎ ከማኺ
    ክብል ኣይምደኸምኩን
    ኤረትራ ሃገረይ ኣይትደናገሪ
    ዝምሕጸና ‘ኳ ኩሉ ‘ዩ ንዓኺ
    ክንነብር ክንጠፍእ ምሳኺ
    መንዶለና ‘ዩ ግዲ ብጀካኺ?

    መንግስቲ ክንተክል ይብሉ ‘ለዉ
    ኣብ ደገ
    ስለዘይኣለዩኹ ሰብ ዕደ
    ስለዘይሓለዩልኪ
    ብሰንኮም ጸማልያ መሲልኪ

    ኣለና ይብሉ ‘ለዉ
    ‘ቶም ዝሓልዩ
    ንብዓትኪ ክሕብሱ
    ማዳኺ ክኣልዩ
    ግቡእኪ ክትረኽቢ
    ስርሖም ብግቡእ ክዓዩ
    ቁስልኺ ከሕውዩ

    ሓንጎፋይ! ኢልኪ ተቐበልዮም
    ሰቲ-ሰምሃር ነስኒስኪ
    እትዉ በልዮም

    ናይ ሎሚ ኣጋይሽ
    ጽባሕ ግን ሓርኮትኮት ክብሉ
    ክጅምሩ
    ናብራኽን ናብራ ደቅኽን
    ኣዝዩ ክሓይሽ

    ፍሽኽ በሊ ኤረትራ ዓደይ!

    • Brhan

      MM Nebsi what a poem!

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Thank you, Brhan nebsi!
        This is my biggest wish for the year and I hope the big guy will grant it! 🙂

    • haileTG

      Great one MM, no wonder you took time out. Time well spent. And your wish – let it be so.

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Hey haileTG,
        I am in the middle of hectic new projects and as a result I am going nuts. Awate is my therapy and decided to visit for few mins today. Oh boy, I am glad I did! 🙂
        I am now fully charged but I don’t want to go back to work 🙂

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Mehandsay,

      ይበል እንታይ ክወጾ መሃንድሳይ:: እቲ ሕልምኻን ትምኒትካን ናይ ብዙሓት ሕልምን ትምኒት ስለዝኾነ አጀባ ንብለካለና:: አይተጸምወና ኸአ::

      Regards

      • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

        Thank you, Prof. Emma!

  • Aman Y.

    Haw Semere
    After all these testimonies , it sounds you have been found guilty in all counts. If I were your public defender I wouldn’t mind asking for a lenient sentence from the Awate land.

    • Abi

      Aman
      It is a mistrial at best. When the prosecutors, jurors, the Honorable Judge and the aggressive bailiff and the bribed witnesses are all hand selected by the accuser, and when the defendant has not afforded enough time to defend himself, it is going to be a mistrial unless you are running a kangaroo court.

      • Aman Y.

        Wedem Abi
        የሳናጣራ አናስርም ውሳኔ ነው’ጂ ከእስክንደር ጋር ቃሊቲ ወርዶ ነበር። ዳኛው እንደሆነ መዶሻው በጁ ነው።ደሞስ የኔን መከላከል ምነው ናቅከው። የስደቱ መንግስት የበቀል መግስት አይደለም።

        • Abi

          Aman
          ገና ያልተወለደውን የስደት መንግሥት እድሜውን ያርዝምልን: ላገሩም ያብቃልን::
          I have to read your መከላከያ ሃሳብ::

      • haileTG

        Guad Abi,

        GiE will not play kid gloves. The court, the bench, the judge and all in between is ours. We are claiming it all. Thanks to EZEMA we are resolved to Play it tough. Think about it, how could they propose yebahir ber tiyaqe and Eritreans to fight their wars with the same breath? Beqa elim blew tegnitewal alun ende? We are starting with Semere to send clear message:)

        • Abi

          ኃይልሽ
          ቀይ ባህራችንን ባገሩ ሰው ነው የምናስጠብቀው:)
          እልም ብላችሁ ከተኛችሁ እኮ አመታት ተቆጠሩ:: አላወቅህም እንዴ? ተኝቼ ነበር እንዳትለኝ:: እኔም የፈራሁት ይህንኑ ነው::
          እንደ አማን በሬ ድንገት ስትበረግጉ በኢሱ ምትክ ሰመረን አዋከባችሁት::
          እዋይ !!

          • haileTG

            Haha…good one!

          • Abi

            I agree with you 💯!!!

          • kokhob selamone2

            Dear Abo,

            Please be around, nice one.

            KS,,

          • Abi

            ኮኮብዬ
            I will be around until Berhe graduates:).
            እኔ ከሌለሁ ማን ያስተምረዋል?

          • Brhan

            መርሓባ ኮኸብ ሰላም
            ግርም ገርካ … ምእንቲ ክምሃር
            እንተዝይኮይኑ ዓቕሉ ከተዕገርግር
            ምዃና ኣይትጠራጠር

        • Brhan

          Hi HaileTG
          I think the EZEMA and et al are either cheating them selves or the rest. How come they talk about access to the sea while the Amara won’t have access to Fin Fine. I know you are following the Amharic social media , but all except ESAT are talking about Amara genocide.

          • haileTG

            Hi Brhan,

            You are right. Isn’t it so volatile breathtaking how fast things change! I have never seen so much condemnation of PMAA on social media as these past few weeks. Nur’ln wede wuTal’n 360 degree zore!

      • Semere Tesfai

        ሰላም ወንድም አማች

        “It is a mistrial at best. When the prosecutors, jurors, the Honorable Judge and the aggressive bailiff and the bribed witnesses are all hand selected by the accuser, and when the defendant has not afforded enough time to defend himself, it is going to be a mistrial unless you are running a kangaroo court.”

        ወንድም አማች: Don’t you worry. Yours truly ጨጓር ዳንጋ is very comfortable with the imaginary guilty verdict, from an imaginary court, by imaginary giants. But…………

        Under all these dark clouds, fogs, and mist, there is undisputable fact that matters the most

        The GiE ጎማ ኣስተንፍሰዋል። ኣበቃለት!!!!
        ግን……….. እዚህ in Awate ያበጠ ጎማ ኣለ
        🙂

        The rest is just pleasant dreams and venting of feelings – which is perfectly fine with me

        Semere Tesfai

        • Abi

          ሰላም ወንድም አማች
          From the little information I gathered from the articles and discussions, I visualize GiE as a bicycle. Let me explain
          1- it has two wheels ( eplf + elf )
          2- balancing is extremely important
          3- it is a rear wheel drive 🙂 ( you said it)
          4- the ride is bumpy
          5- the rider is known to have a thick skin and helmet ( in case of falls)
          6- some are proposing a training wheel ( additional wheels) in case of flat tire. አንተ ጎማ እንደምታስተነፍስ ቀድመው ጠርጥረዋል::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Semere opinion about GiE or any other opposition does not matter much. He doesn’t have to support them, and he can be critical of them all he wants.

            But he is a liar, making up stories he can’t back up with facts and he sleeps well at night knowing that he is lying in public trying to mad sling people name and reputation.

            “What you wrote, “the Whitman through Amnesty and other channels that I’m not privy to know, promised the GiE folks to celebrate their reign before May 24, 2021 at Asmara Palace. What’s your source for the above?”

            When he was asked to back he lies and who the source of this false allegation he said Saleh AA Younis.

            I don’t know if you knowingly supporting this liar or not I don’t know but I am providing the context as I read it, since you are jumping to defend him.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            It is apparently clear that you failed to pay attention. What Semere is referring to is the first article by Saay where he said that the GiE should be established before May 24 or something like that. Of course, you don’t read properly or you don’t understand what you read or you don’t remember what you read or a combination of some or all.
            For additional information I suggest you politely ask Semere T. ካልሆነ ደብዳቤህ በግልባጭ (CC) እንዲደርሰው አድርግ::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            He is the master of quoting people and reply line by line “so he doesn’t be misunderstood” according to him last time I checked. So he should bring the quotes that he is attributed to Saay.

            As for you for so much for your claim that you are master of “paying attention”. What happened this time and instead of bringing the exact words of saay, you are stating “something like that”.

            Something like what?

            Yes, Saay come up with the article to establish the GiE by May 24. It’s a goal (a lofty goal as that) but nothing or no where he said, that this lair has accused of doing and by extension you too are doing.

            You need to pay attention.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            You know I don’t like spoon feeding my students:) You are more than capable to read it yourself. My duty is to point you in the right direction.
            Let me pay attention to the upcoming game.
            Man U vs Roma
            Now that is something I need to pay full attention for.
            Did you watch yesterday’s game? PSG lost at home to Manchester City.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Ok, I take it this is your Gendere megderder, or that you don’t admit and on your deflection mode.

            The number one witness has become a liability to the accused:). I rest my case.

            Yes I watched part of the game. PSG were no show after the equalizer.

            Will catch replay game later tonight.

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Hello Berhe,
            You know the proverb that says: Birds of the same feather fly together. Look his denial to the genocide that is happening in his own country , including to his own people, the Amhara…..to him it is fake news!!

          • Brhan

            Abi,
            Eritrea and GiE made you forget you country’s misery…Let me ask you Is Amara genocide by the Oromo fake news?

          • Dongolo

            Selam Abi. Problem is that the bicycle relies on 2 antiquated wheels (ELF & EPLF) whereas it is not supported by neither Yiakl nor most Eritreans under age 50. Please refer to Snitna.com and their response Response to Sal Younis’s article, “It’s Time for Unity Government in Exile”Global Initiative to Empower Eritrean Grassroots Movement (GI), March 3, 2021.

          • Berhe Y

            Dear Dongolo,

            May be good idea to invite the GI to come to awate forum and discuss their ideas including their opposition of GiE.

            Just reading their response, clearly they are confused in what Saay proposed and what they are interpreting it to be.

            The two organizations (not ten, but two) then create a Unity Government In Exile, representing themselves as an alternative to the Band of Misfits and Enslavers in Eritrea. This will not enable them to do all the things a government does, but it will empower and legitimize them to do some of the things governments do including meeting with foreign dignitaries and fashioning alternative policies to the suicidal ones pursued by the PFDJ.

            They are saying he said :

            The elected leaders of EPLF and ELF will then form “Unity Government,” that will “temporarily” assume power once the regime is removed. We find this perplexing. Our understanding is that, it is change agents inside the country who can remove the dictatorial regime. We do not believe it is realistic to have a temporary transition government that does not include those who are instrumental in removing the regime.

            He never said :
            – GiE will take power when the government fall

            In fact what he said is, by forming the GiE, he believes it will kick start (my word) those inside the country the change that we want to see happen.

            The fact that Global Yiakle or any other organizations who are not political organizations (by their own statement) can not possibly form a government in exile or inside the country. If they want they must be a political organization, the reason why GiE focus is to those who call themselves political organizations and who want to take power legally.

            2) He never said yiAkle or who ever civic organizations to stop working what they are doing.

            3) what exactly are they proposing that we do. Well their last paragraph says it all.

            We need to recognize our first priority is to get rid of Isaias and his cronies. Eritreans in the Diaspora can play an important role in contributing to ending dictatorship in Eritrea by working together under the banner of the Global Yeakel Movement. Let’s learn from our Tigray brothers and sisters who are doing miracle speaking with one voice.

            .

            In short they are saying to all the political parties, NTT and GiE “ cease and desist” ባዕልና አለናዮ::

            ጻዕዳ ይጽናሕኩም: እዩ ዝበሀል::

            Berhe

          • haileTG

            Hey BY,

            I don’t know what their position is now. The one Dongolo shared is from March 4. That was less than two weeks from the time of inception of GiE formula. All the public discussions, press releases, follow up articles, public feedback and clarifications happened after that. So, it is likely that their initial position has evolved since then. In any case, it would be notable progress if Eritrean organizations develop the habit of reaching out and discussing prior to making public commitments whenever an idea comes up. Clearly, they didn’t understand the proposal fully at the time. That is understandable given the short time they spent studying it. I hope this would be a teachable moment for them.

          • Abi

            ኃይላችን
            Have you noticed the endearment “Sal” throughout the long hateta? I believe whoever wrote the response is a big time awatista who has been around for a while. I’ve been around here for a while and never promoted to call him “Sal”. Only a number of awatista use “Sal” when addressing him. I was expecting the GI to address “sal” formally.
            የደብዳቤው ቁምነገር አይመለከተኝም::
            I can’t handle a Saaytanic response at this moment.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Long before Saay become Saay (in awate forum) he is known as Sal. So the authors are addressing him as what he is known as.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            When you officially address a person you don’t use nickname and endearments. ስንቱን አስተምሬ እዘልቀዋለሁ? ኧረ ጎበዝ እንረዳዳ! ብቻዬን አልቻልኩም::
            I remember when Sal changed to Saay7. I believe it was when Awate switched to disqus ( or something like that) .

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Ok, you know what you are taking about then. I was thinking way before awate everyone knows him as Sal.

            Anyway, I don’t long time awate person would hide behind name to criticize or support Saay for what he wrote.

            I do believe they are group of people from within the yiAkle who wanted / shocked by his bold approach that they are running to short circuit his approach.

            Soon after Amanuel Italy of Assena invited few people and come up with a plan to fight the regime with the following two criteria ONLY

            1) IA is the number one enemy of Eritrea and the fight should be to get rid of him.
            2) They gave to fight along side the Tigray people as they have common enemy.

            This are a must… their last statement, praising the people of Tigray fighting as one unit, really gave me something to relate to what followed by Assena.

            Berhe

          • Abi

            Berhe
            I have to admit that you are paying attention lately. ( I take full credit for the outstanding improvement you are displaying)
            I also caught the last paragraph where they praised the brothers and sisters of Tigray. I told you several times before that ይአክል is a creation of Tplf. ( በስተእርጅና ወልዶት ሳያሳድገው ሞተ) It came to existence as Tplf was sent back to the Dedebit caves.
            I don’t see any difference between Assena , Tplf and Agazians. They are all the same.

            የገድሊን ገድል ተጋዳዮቹ ዞር ሲሉ እንጫወታለን::

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            I don’t think I can stand the world cup / euro cup during Covid. Yesterday’s game was so boring, even though so many goals were scored, I couldn’t take it. However cycling have no effect, I can stand hours and hours:) Tour Romandie. >

            You know the TPLF / EPRDF use to say to any and all kinds of opposition and label then as “Loud Diaspora” and they use to dismiss all their plea, including to Dr. Berhanu, ESAT.

            Now it’s your turn to say “Fake News” or “TPLF” sponsored etc.

            I agree TPLF may have some influence and infiltrated some members but by no means they have created the yiAkle movement.

            The reason any kind of opposition exist in Diaspora is because they are not able to express their opinion freely in their own country. And honestly, that’s not on the part of the opposition but whom ever is in power.

            Berhe

          • haileTG

            Guad Abi,

            የደብዳቤው ቁምነገር አይመለከተኝም:: spot on! We are only too pleased to notice the PFDJ has found an unloving relationship. I’ll tell them wedesh ketedefash, biregtush aykfash….awaredun eko!

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ተዋሪድና ጥራይልካ!!!
            እዋይ ውርደት!

          • haileTG

            Abichu..ok ok don’t stick it in 🙂 Enante mechem one mile sisetachu 100 mile mewsed nat chewata … ayzoh chigir yelem, w’sedu edme le ISU chisu!

          • Abi

            ኃይልሽ
            ከግመሏ ተምረን ነው:)

          • Dear Haile TG,
            Let me ask you a question, your 2 cent.
            According to Bg. Tekeste Haile, all the big boss, militaries are from outskirt of Asmara, whereas security, led by Abraha Kassa are from Akele.
            what do you make of it?

          • haileTG

            Hey Tesfu,

            Guad Abi would say “yezefen dar daru eskista”! Let me say that our beef is with the brokenness of institutions, not with individuals or their region and religion. That is Medharhari poletica. We are too small as a country and blood relatives if you count back to 14th ancestors:-)

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat,

            The global Initiative movement is a bottom up grassroots movement, originally started in North America. I don’t know whether they are still active. But Dr Araya Debassay was one of the proponent of the idea and who drafted the structure and the mission statement of the movement. Actually, it is the continuation of the spontaneous movements that was lead by Wedi Vicaro, lately transformed into an organized Global movement.

            Regard

          • መሃንድስ-ምዕባለ

            ሰላማት ፕሮፌሰር ኤማ/ኣርካን-ሃይለ

            ግኑን ኣብ ኤረትራ ምጉዳል
            ምፍንጫል
            ሰናይ
            ሕጊ /ንዳባ ኣይተልዕል
            ሓላል!
            ምሳና ወይ ኣንጻርና
            ሊላይ
            ኢሂን ምሂን ንበል
            ግናይ 🙁

            ኣብ ኢድ ኣግኣዝያን ከይንወድቕ
            ወይ ምሳይ መርሽ ወይ ርሓቕ
            ንኺድ ጥራይ
            ጥንቅቕ ንበል

            ደለኩ ደኣ

          • saay7

            Selamat HTG and all:

            I can’t speak for GI but I don’t believe they have changed their views. Based on my conversation with its leadership and some of the comments I have heard Prof Araya Debessay make publicly, their opposition to GiE is on two grounds:

            1. Why government, why not an umbrella movement
            2. Why ELF EPLF why not Yiakl

            Those who oppose government in exile argue that there is no precedent for successful GiE other than World War II exiled governments. To which I reply: can you give me a precedent of Diaspora opposition that has worked? If your answer is none, then why are you struggling? Why aren’t you applying the same measure of history to both? No answer.

            As for the the why not Yiakl: this is a typically very American-European centric view of Eritrea. Yiakl can be an important component, as soon as it realizes there are many other Eritrean civil society groups that are not based in the US/Canada or Europe. GiE has offered to provide technical support to connect all the disparate Eritrean civil society.

            At the end of the day, the two blocs GiE proposed have significantly more constituents than all the other contenders. And if government is about representing the people, it has to go where the constituents are.

            saay

          • Dongolo

            Selam saay7.
            10,934 days from Friday, May 24, 1991
            Regarding your GiE Concept Note, a few questions:
            1) Will there be any safeguards to ensure that CC members and elected EC members do not come from only one or two countries?
            2) Will there be any safeguards to ensure that CC members and Elected EC members have reasonable age and gender parity?
            3) Is there any room for the Concept Note to be tweaked in such a manner that’s it allows for at least one strategy arm to focus on possible change from within the current regime (i.e. by disgruntled PFDJ) or from within the country?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Saleh Younis,

            I am varying my calling you, as how one calls you is becoming a Blues Clues 🦋🐦🐳:-)

            Coming to my point, you mentioned two grounds on which there is opposition. Based on what I read or watch the media, grossly seen, these might not be limited to Prof Debessay. Let me mention the first as the second point for me is a subset of the first. The first says “Why government, why not an umbrella movement”. Un umbrella movement presupposes a formal invitation of representatives of the movements to the core discussion of forming a unified movement or even GiE. The NTT’s for GiE call is a call on a voluntarily drive of individuals to contact the NTT. In this regard, the leaders of the already formed movements my see a firewall infront of them. I am not saying there is no real opposition to the idea of GiE itself, but the opposition’s resistance, if due to approach and decor, is there any possibility of explaining there is no real wall behind the perceived firewall and if any reapproachement of the ideas of invitation from NTT and picking the phonepad or keypad to NTT? Just a reflexion!

          • Abi

            ሊቀመኳስ
            According to Dora the Explorer, you are not a suspect at this moment. If we apply the Blue’s clues strategies in the investigation process, we are absolutely safe to conclude that this person is a typical tplf አኮርባጅ:: You are the farthest Eritrean from this entity. Of course, one has to pay attention to figure out who is who in this virtual land.

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            It’s Saay in social media and Awate U.

            I am not sure I understood your question. But, broadly speaking, the GiEs position is we are happy to go for UiE instead of GiE if that’s what our people want. The only study done on this was a survey by Setit Media which shows overwhelming support for Government in Exile. So my invite to those calling for Umbrella in Exile is “will you yield to what the people want including if they want Government in Exile?”

            What you are calling a firewall I prefer to call barrier to entry. A 10-member organization with 7 in its leadership has to be really honest with itself and admit it is 10-member organization and form a coalition with one of the three blocs. An organization that is unsure whether it’s a civil society trying to influence policy or a political organization vying for power has to assess its mission and what it wants. The incentives for fragmentation have to disappear and the incentives for coalition have to increase. And the only way to do that is to set rules. Fair, transparent but still rules. It’s an affront to Eritrea to have 3-man orgs with big names and no constituencies claiming to speak on behalf of Eritrea.

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Selam Sal,

            You understood my question and answered it. Yes, how to eliminate the feeling of barrier was what I was getting at. How to convince those who might feel they are not driving if they don’t first hand touch the steering wheel, if you will. I agree with you there should be rules and one has to come owning the cause.

          • saay7

            Selamat Hailat:

            And that’s where “radical candor” comes in: we should be able to say to the 3-man groups “I love you, I appreciate that you are on the side of justice, but you are not going to make a dent unless you are willing to form a coalition with other groups, and we are going to ask by the way how many members do you have and who exactly is your constituency?” Love them or hate them the two blocs we are talking about can answer that question convincingly. The others, from my 20-year of front row observation cannot.

            saay

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Saay,

            It is a perplexing political behavior to watch in the discourse of the Eritrean political landscape, that when a proposal comes up from any corner, the practitioners of the existing political orgs or movements do not try to find a middle ground and engage to refine the objective of the proposal. Rather, they go to find all kind of excuses to reject the proposals, if the proposal isn’t from their own political house. Now the GI and the other umbrella orgs will go to their retreat mode, to oppose the timely issue you have raised, and that is what I am seeing as an acute observer of the Eritrean politics for decades. I am afraid, this will be another lost opportunity and another “ዓሕ” – an internal reaction – that is familiar within any conscious mind who strives for change without preconditions.

            Regard

          • saay7

            Selamat Emma:

            Don’t worry: our team is made up of no-ego people. Our question is do you have something better and more acceptable to our people? And if they can show us they do, we will join forces with them. It’s all good.

            I forgot to thank Bayto chairman Negash O for supporting our initiative: thank you! The rest of building momentum and I accept similar endorsement from Block 2 soon 🙂

            Happy Friday!

            saay

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            On the point of contention, it seems a normalcy bias or cognitive bias, which argues because something has never happened thus it will never happen. It is a fallacy. My 2-cents is however, we do things in response to what is needed rather than what is available. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have a means to move forward.

            The actual construction work of GiE is not for the faint hearted, there are a lot of moving parts as they should. It would be a terrific opportunity for aspirants to show their creativity and foresight in helping to build it.

            You said two important things:

            GiE has offered to provide technical support to connect all the disparate Eritrean civil society.

            At the end of the day, the two blocs GiE proposed have significantly more constituents than all the other contenders.

            The second one is a good way of looking at it, well put. The first one is also a great idea, would be nice if you could elaborate more on what the nature of the “support” is. If you prefer a longer article, well we’re all ears 🙂

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Saay and Haile TG,

            I agree the GiE doesn’t need to be compared to the other countries experience. Eritrea has different political experiences and cultures to help achieve the change. Some kind of research is needed to support GiE. It is not enough to state to GI.

            GI has always been about social movements and I believe, it can have it its own share within GiE ones it is negotiated. A movement like GI would be instrumental to give power to the vehicle, but needs a driver to get to a destination. People, movements, civic and political should be approach(ed) differently.

            GiE’s wisdom depends on how to identify and fit each component of the justice seekers categorically. The question is if the GiE can be flexible and negotiable with all the constraints.

            The above writing tried to help GiE deal with the usual issues arising at the in Eritrean opposition landscape. It had suggested the formation of an independent and diverse third party EPCiE (Eritrean Peace Commission in Exile) to help on negotiations, reconciliations and narrowing gaps of recognizing each other.

            Finally, I beg to differ on calling Yiakl as a “centric view”. Yiakl, I believe, is a household name for Eritrean oppositions at this moment and It may have more registered constituents than both blocks.

            Now, the priority for us looks like to have a polling system for EiG.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Haile TG

            I think you agreed with what Saay wrote, “GiE has offered to provide technical support to connect all the disparate Eritrean civil society.”

            I would suggest for GiE to deal with each entity separately. They should work on their civic duties independently No interference from the government needed.

            He also wrote, “At the end of the day, the two blocs GiE proposed have significantly more constituents than all the other contenders.”

            My questions are:
            1. Do we have the data to claim that one has more constituents than the other ?

            2. Doesn’t it make GiE seem to care more about numbers?

            I am hoping NTT to gain something from their constituents discussions at Awate on Integrative discourse agenda. ንክንሰማማዕ ንሰማማዕ።

            Thank you

          • saay7

            Thanks Aman Y:

            We take our claim that we will hold discussions with every organized group seriously. We are after all a group of who took an initiative and we are aware nobody gave us the mandate or or elected us to do what we are doing. Every weekend, we have discussions with any Eritrean organization fighting in its own way to bring about positive change, anyone big or small. This weekend we have a meeting with 5 of them. After that, we will have meetings with every “influencer” on social media. Not just to talk, not just to explain, but to listen and when necessary to adjust. The goal is to have a GiE that has broad support and you can’t do that by antagonizing or dismissing anyone.

            Thanks!

            saay

          • Aman Y.

            Haw Saleh,

            Thank you for reaching out. That will help me have a goodnight. While you are here GiE needs to assign a communication officer for Awate, I nominate Haile TG.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aman Y.,

            Since you seem to know about Global Yiakle and what their objectives are, I thought I ask you about, ጽምዶ አብ ቀዳማይ ስትራተጂ. I am hoping my good friend Ghezae Hagos can shed some light as well.

            In order to have a good understanding, I had spent two hours listening the two interviews with Global Yiakle members interview.

            I wish I have come to understand what exactly the purpose and objective of it.

            I think one of the leaders said it has three parts to it.
            1) public owned (hizbawinet)
            2) focused on number 1 enemy (public enemy)
            3) I don’t know what the third is and I was confused what it is.

            I will give you an example.

            1) The whole yiakle was in response of Eritrea first enemy which is IA. Isn’t that obvious, that IA is the number one enemy. In other words, all the yiakle members, supporters or sympathizes already know this. So why focus on the converted and why yiakle (which has already become a house hold name) needs another word ጽምዶ for the same purpose. So I think the “public owned – hizbawinet” is already achieved by yiakle so I don’t what it really means.

            2) all those interviewed spend almost all their time explaining what IA, HGDF and how evil they are, but they did not explain what ጽምዶ is and what it wants to achieve. Again this is really preaching to the converted.

            3) What in the world does it mean ጽምዶ mean? I have never heard the word used in any political context before? I know about መጳምድቲ, as in someone looking for relationship AD, unless I am missing something. I will ask to the language experts to help me out here, but even if that’s the case, why chose such a word that it’s meaning is not well understood. (I am not making a claim that I am expert or judging but as an average person, I can see the challenge/ confusing this can create). If this was done purposely to confuse people and obstruct the real intention, all I can say is a very wrong approach.
            “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication”. Leonardo da Vinci

            3) GiE – elephant in the room.
            With the exception of one person, none of the three people have raised the topic / issue. I was impressed by the host quality of presenting the topic but he also failed to ask a question in relation to GiE. Questions such as:

            1) When was ጽምዶ created and what was the reason for it?
            2) Is it created in reaction to GiE and the discussion that’s going on or was it existed all along?
            3) Did it had any discussion with NFT and if there is any opportunity to merge / align the objectives of NFT/ GiE with Glibal yiakle, ጽምዶ strategy?

            4) Uniting Eritrean Forces aligning with the struggle in Tigray.

            – what role does Global yiakle see with the AI initiative and the role of ጽምዶ?

            I personally see huge advantage Global yiakle if they align with NFT and GiE. I will write more another time.

            Berhe

          • Aman Y.

            ሰላም Berhe

            Though I was involved at the time of inception ,I have not been active with Yiakl for a while. A few weeks ago, I had reached the US Yiakl chair and shared my opinion on GiE. I did not get confirmation or negation for my information yet.

            ጽምዶ ማለት ተላፊንካ ምስራሕ ይመስለኒ፤
            1)ሰረት ህዝቢ ሒዝና
            2)ብጽምዶ(ብልፍንቲ)ሰሪሕና
            3) አብ ቅድሜና ሓደ ጸላኢ’ለና

            ** አብ ህዝብና ተሰሪትና ፡ ብጽምዶ እንዳዓየና ናብ ሓደ ጸላኢና that is my interpretation. To respond to your questions : here is my opinion

            1. Yes, you are right it is confusing. What is the purpose of getting to the public, to present the same thing.

            2.The whole Yiakl for me was in response to all the evil in Eritrea. Yiakl as a slogan, did not specify the number one or three enemies. In other words, it did not have an ” integrative goal” as a shared purpose to achieve. On a message I presented then, I proposed to put removing IA as a Yiakl’s shared purpose.

            3.Now, GiE-Eritrean Integrative discourse was written as an advice. Yiakl to take an advantage for transformation and change its name to Eritrean People Representatives in Exile(EPRiE). At the same time GiE can use the already established community base. That would accelerate the momentum to reach more cities and more people for GiE through EPRiE .

            4.It is going to take more for GiE -to be the discourse, The Eritrean mainstream and social media will need more information to address the elephant in the living room.

            የቐንየልና
            ስለዝሰማዕ ካና
            እንተ ተጋጊና
            ንተአራረም
            ንሒድ ሒድና
            ተሰማሚዕና።
            .

          • Bayan Negash

            Selam Berhe, Aman Y, and all,

            Interesting that the Yiakel question is being brought in one of its various iterations. I didn’t follow their evolution as closely as I should. But I did listen to the Global Yiakel’s Chair, Seged’s conversation he had in Tewolde Siele’s Global Yiakel show when the Dina Mufti controversy came to the fore. Sam Y. has given you a response on hizbawnnet and Tsimdo and how they connect.

            Hizbawnnet needs to be understood as part and parcel of the larger struggle that cannot be dropped until the objective is accomplished, which is the removal of the regime and a true form of a people focused Eritrea takes hold.

            What I found striking is how quickly differences are put aside when the perceived enemy from without suggests that Eritreans are ready to unite with Ethiopia. Any hints that threaten the sovereignty of Eritrea trumps any differences the diaspora activists may espouse. So, when the Speaker of Foreign Affairs of Ethiopia asserted that, were Eritreans to be given a chance, they would prefer to unite with Ethiopia.

            Seged and Tewolde’s discussion was held, I believe the very next day after Dina Mufti’s statement. So, I thought then, what a befitting template that all of us could imagine using if we had GiE in place. There are so many iterations that one can bring to draw a parallel but will suffice to mention the need to have an organized, unified, and authorized entity speaking on behalf of us all. Granted, we have no such entity yet, but it is sorely needed, and what one hear in the discussion between Seged and Tewolde is exactly what would’ve happened were we to have a GiE.

            I’m summarizing what I heard in the show. Seged (The Chair of Global Yiakl) says our focus should not only be on the effect but on the cause of it (ኣብ ሳዕቤን ዘይኮነስ ኣብ ጠንቂ). This maybe the third one that you are missing, Berhe. So, Seged takes his listeners to the beginning of the cause, to 2018, when the regime in Eritrea unilaterally decides to go on the peace initiative. Layer by layer, brick by brick, the Chair lays out the cause that has led to the effect that we are seeing today in which an official Spokesperson from Ethiopia openly transgressing Eritrea’s sovereignty through his irresponsible speech.

            What was the measuring yardstick used by the Ethiopian spokesperson? If Ethiopians had such affinity toward Eritrea, it is to be expected. What does the deafening silence of the regime in Eritrea on this matter mean? Unlike the regime in Asmara, Dina Mufti did appear the next day to reexplain what he meant. That’s what governments accountable to their people do.

            The discussion between Tewolde and Seged continues to when PMAA and IA made peace based on these two leaders’ personal interests. T&S’s conversation consists of some rich ideas that a listener can appropriate for good measure or to quote it when necessary and appropriate it when one must. The conversation veers toward what the American Embassy statement meant. What should the Global Y’akl’s role be in particular and the general public in general. They talked about the urgency these kinds of commentaries made by Dina Mufti call for. Seged states that we should stop fishing for side enemies, let us instead focus on the main culprit, the regime in Eritrea is our enemy, not Ethiopia or Tigray.

            Now, if and when we have a GiE, this is the kind of stuff we would expect where GiE Chair would come to the fore immediately following Dina Mufti’s statement. This kind of a leading statement would shape the conversation that would ensue by the public at large. The theme and the discussion that we can have would emanate from a place of knowledge instead of endless and baseless monologues that the FBs, the YouTubes, the Twitters, etc., are replete with.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Beyan,

            You are always generous with your positive outlook. If my comments appear to be critical, I understand and was not intentional. I am glad you are able to shed some light to ጽምዶ, at least you answered one of the question I had, that it was a campaign/ program that was created before GiE, if I understood correctly what you are saying (Re: Dina Mufti reaction).

            One more thing, ጽምዲ ብዕራይ is another example that I have heard about the word as it means “pair”.

            In fact, I checked the Tigrinya dictionary yesterday and I didn’t see it (may be I missed it). Today I looked up the word “pair” in the English / Tigrinya / Arabic EPLF dictionary and it says 1. ጽምዲ 2. አጻመደ (ንእስሳ) which I don’t think I was far off.

            In light of its true meaning, how is this relevant to the struggle for justice / democracy, I still don’t see it. May be someone else can explain it better. I hope I am not offending my friend Ghezae :). I still don’t see how this is better than yiakle. yiakle is very obvious, it’s yiAkle to PFDJ and all the problems that it created, and continue to create. And I don’t think the people are confused about it (may be the NNNN are) but they are not the priority, they will follow him to his grave.

            My reaction was really, the whole discussion was correct and today (last one was on Friday abs the other was a week before), and I wish someone would have either ask a question or explain :

            1) the whole GiE thing in relationship to yiakle?
            2) the relationship to AI groups

            In short I think I am asking is what is yiAkle position. I can read between the line and I can make my assumption but I think it’s better to leave to those who know to answer it accurately.

            Berhe

          • saay7

            Selamat Berhe:

            My understanding, based on my convo with the leadership of Yiakl USA, ጽምዶ (engagement) is one of the 9 departments Bayto has. The purpose, as its name suggests, is to engage with any entity so as to create synergy. It’s actually a cool concept.

            And I did try to watch the Ghezae Hagos & Seghed interview with Global Yiakl TV. Half saved for later. One of the pieces of advice I am going to give to all our interviewers is to be more like Sishay from Erena: do your homework, you don’t have to be adversarial but don’t be too friendly or it sounds like idle chat, break in and cut our soliloquy, ask tough follow up questions, cross examine. That’s the only way we the guests will get better and it will make for a more enjoyable show for viewers. And yes “live” is overrated: record and edit filler talk!

            saay

          • Haile S.

            Selam Berhe and all,

            ጽምዲ = in addition to pair = in-tandem. And ጽምዲ ቁጽሪ = even number.

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Haile S.,
            “Tsmdo” as defined to mean “pairing” or “in tandem” infers a political thought of a parallel political force deemed to negotiate as an equal partner.in other words, the GIE cannot pursue any action without the consent of Yeakle or vise-versa. That puts us once again to the old Pandora box of the last decades. As the NTT clearly explained, it is ready to engage all parties political parties, political movements, civic organizations etc. to extend their cooperation
            in achievingg the GIE mission. But, if any of these forces ( particularl Yeakle) demand that they are the sole Representatives of the people then Yeakle has to come out of its hide and seek game and proclaim itself a political party contending for power. Notwithstanding the existence of a hard core group within Yeakle that covet power ambitions, I believe, most members of the Yeakle movement are genuine Eritreans whose objective is to dislodge higdef and establish a democratic Eritrea. As a movement, it would be appropriate, if Yeakle continues to work as an ombudsman to the ongoing GIE discourse and align it’s infrastructure to ensure GIE’s success. Otherwise, at this juncture, putting a wedge into the moving wheels would be harshly judged by history.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Woldegabriel,
            How about engaging an independent mediator even engaging a professional mediator to overcome the anticipated wedgie.
            @haile_s:disqus
            What do you think of expanding the agreement layer for an Independent Mediation layer when an agreement is not reached. Option for mediation when there is no agreement?

            Cheers,
            Reclaim

          • Haile S.

            Selam Woldegabriel, Reclaim and all

            I completely agree. As you said, there seems to be a confusion between the objectives and necessities of GiE and the possible future plan of individuals, groups, movements or fronts. In addition, second guessing could be one of the major hurdles.
            Reclaim, I am not sure of the necessity of a formal mediator at this stage, but as Woldegebriel put it, yeakle as a popular movement playing the role of ombudsman while promoting GiE would be a plus.
            Everything comes down to the objectives of the GiE. The need of GiE is because the not exiles government in Eritrea has become exclusionary from year to year. My way or the high has been its modus operandi, enclosed in uncrackable shell. The only way to counter it by showing it, there is another way, an inclusionary way. Thus the tough challenge to the different movements and the need of coming together and resolving differences in a way that was Not done by the present regime.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Haile S. and Woldegabriel. Does not a key (not the only) difference rest with Yiakl supporting change from within rather than from external forces? The possibility of effecting change from within Eritrea seems to be something that the GiE seems totally unwilling to discuss or entertain.

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Dengolo,
            You don’t need such fliers. It’s elementary politics. Please be informed that ELF-EPLF have much deeper, longer and wider roots in Eritrea than Yeakle.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Woldegabriel. Eritrea’s median population is now 19.2 years old, so I really doubt that they care so much about the last time the EPLF or ELF were active in Eritrea some 30 or 40 years ago. The EPLF and ELF’s time to lead change has long passed and the reigns must now be given to Eritrea’s younger generations, though the elderly should always playa nurturing role.

          • Hashela

            Selam Haile and Woldegabriel

            As Woldegabriel alluded, the guiding principle of most Eritrean political organizations can be aptly summed up as “It is not enough that dogs succeed. But cats must also fail”. How different is “GiE” in that matter?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Hashela,

            Welcome back! ኣዚ ጎቦ ጎቦ ምዛር ኣጥፊኡካ።

            Since the fight has been playing for long the way you described it, GiE can be perceived by others playing in the same way. But I haven’t seen that attitude in GiE’s communications. GiE has been calling and reiterating its message for coming together to devise a central government or governance that brings together the disperesed voices and build a structure that functions like a government.

            Following the example of the four pawed trusted companions you used, Yes, You CAN teach an old dog new tricks.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Hello Haile and Hi to all Awate,

            Please help me understand this.

            I am a bit confused about Eritrean who call others “old” and I believe they see themselves as ‘young’? and demands exclusive power internally/externally?
            I also start to hear this comments in my circle of Eri-friends.

            Are they thinking like the Russian revolution,
            the Ethiopian Meriet larashu, (መሬት ላራሹ)
            or is this some kind of Chauvinism?
            We know how the elite got shot by the peasants!
            We know that the rich got lotted by the socialist!
            We know የወጣቶች ማህበር, haha
            All these young revolutionists destroy the wealth and prosperity of the good people in the community/country by the name of -ism-ism ism,
            Is this something that is back on deck again for a shortcut?
            Are they looking for free lunch?
            ሊበሏት የፈለጏትን አሞራ ጅግራ ናት ይሏታል
            አለ ሳልሕ በትግርኛ

            What is that really means when they refer to people as old, and young, is that discrimination or attempting robbery?

            Is this a slogan for ‘Short live, old people’? Wow, how mature are this

            Who are these young people Yiakl referring to?

            Are this young bloke that walked across Sahara, and their relatives had to fork out $10k whenever they get caught cause they can not defend themselves after all that military training, now they are calling fellow citizens old in a dishonourable way. Or the one ቪዛ ስደደለይ?

            I think young, youth community, etc is a bad influence of socialism, and a bad culture that wants something by hustling?

          • Haile S.

            Selam Reclaim,

            Interesting point you raised. But no time to delve into this. For now I suggest you to watch a game (kind of Jeopardy) by Erisat (bravo Erisat!) With two young men. Between the questions, they talk about the difficulties and bittetness felt by the young and the gap between the old and the young…. It was entitled “Erisat ቀንዴል/ ናይ ዕማመይ ውድድር ሓፈሻዊ ፍልጠት ኣብ መንጎ ኤርምያስ ኣለምን በላይ ርእሶምን”

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Berhe,

            ምቑራን= ምልፋን= ምጽማድ ሓደ ድዩ፧

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Aman,

            From political point of view, I still don’t see it’s relevance. As I mentioned, two of the most important questions what ጽምዶ objective is that I don’t know the exact answer.

            1) What is it’s position on the work that’s being done by GiE? As I said, no one was asked and no one elaborated, with exception of one person. What he said was “I am not sure it has positive outlook”, as I how I interpreted it. I hope to hear.

            2) Ghezae was asked, what it means if it’s going to work with others, including external forces. He said they will work with anyone who believes ኤርትራን ኤርትራውነትን:: I don’t know what this means in real terms. For example, TPLF believes in ኤርትራን ኤርትራውነት as based on their past history. Does it mean they will work with them (external forces) such as those AI initiated groups?

            So far it seems to be, Tigrinya word Acrobatics.

          • haileTG

            Merhaba AY,

            I am glad saay interjected here because he vindicated what I was to say before I saw his response. So, I will say it anyway. I don’t know how far back you go with saay, but from a couple of decades of following him and exchanging views with him [from both sides of our politics], I can say one thing about him. Saay is someone whose words are typically lagging his actions. He is not some one who speaks ahead of himself or ahead of what he is doing. As we learned from his response here, what he said about “supporting” civil organizations actually refers to a much intensive and substantial work in the ground as he listed. That is saay for you, he says little and does far greater. This is why many of us are excited to see him in this great work. I am glad he has put your mind to rest.

            Just to reciprocate to your kind nomination of myself to the role you mentioned, I also see you as a great addition to the work of the NTT and nominate you to be the PR person so you can bring about the much needed agreement to agree 🙂

          • Dongolo

            Hi Berhe Y. Thanks for you comments. The GIE Concept Note points a much different picture than the interpretive picture that you cast forward.

          • Dongolo

            Selam Abi. Please find below copy-paste for ease of reference:
            Sal Younis is among the highly respected Eritrean intellectuals who had written extensively addressing Eritrean issues. We believe it is his frustration with the ineffectiveness of justice-seeking Eritreans in the Diaspora that prompted him to come up with his recent proposal advocating the formation of a “Unity Government in Exile.” What Sal is proposing is the formation of a unity government in exile composed of the leadership groups of EPLF and ELF. Although we would have loved to enthusiasticcaly support Sal’s proposal, we at GI, do not think Sal’s proposal is workable or practical as we will explain below.

            1. Sal suggests “exiled Central Committee members of “PFDJ”, and those who were Central Committee members in the last (1987) EPLF congress should convene an Organizational Congress, the 4th EPLF Congress, as soon as feasible. Its purpose is to address the hijacking (and renaming) of their organization at the 3rd congress.” ELF members in the Diaspora will also convene an organizational congress to elect their leaders. The elected leaders of EPLF and ELF will then form “Unity Government,” that will “temporarily” assume power once the regime is removed. We find this perplexing. Our understanding is that, it is change agents inside the country who can remove the dictatorial regime. We do not believe it is realistic to have a temporary transition government that does not include those who are instrumental in removing the regime. How realistic is the idea of convening an organizational congress of ELF and EPLF members in the Diaspora at this time? Some of Central Committee members of EPLF in exile are not even on talking terms with each other. Moreover, it is our understanding that some members of the EPLF have joined other ELF members to form new parties. Is Sal expecting these former EPLF members to divorce themselves from the new parties they have formed? According to Sal, “the idea of holding Organizational Congress is to have a democratic election where it elects its leadership, who then elect the executive team. This ensures continuity and grants the new leadership something sorely lacking in the Eritrean Opposition: legitimacy.” We are at a loss to understand the relevance of the “legitimacy” of the newly elected EPLF and ELF members. What Sal is proposing ignores a big chunk of Eritrean activists including Eritrean youth who are neither members of the EPLF or ELF but who are active members of the Global Yeakel Movement.

            2. We do not agree with Sal that what we need at this time is a “unity government” composed of elected EPLF and ELF members. What we need is a legitimately elected leadership group that represents all justice seeking Eritreans in the Diaspora. To be legitimate this leadership group should be elected by all justice-seeking Eritreans in the Diaspora. This means all members of political groups, civic associations, women’s organizations, youth, musicians and artists, human rights activists, intellectual and professional groups and other activists should participate in the democratic election process, starting at an all-inclusive local Baito. These legitimately elected Baito leaders then form country-wide leaders to form Global Leaders. This is exactly what the Global Yeakel Movement is trying to achieve and it is making good progress gaining momentum daily despite COVID-19 and other obstacles from agents of the regime and others.

            3. Let’s be clear, the Global Yeakel movement is not a political party. It is a peoples’ political grassroots movement. The role of the Global Yeakel Leadership is not to assume power once the regime is removed. Its role, to the best of our understanding, is to facilitate the removal of the regime by coordinating the activities of all justice-seeking Eritreans in the Diaspora and the formation of all-inclusive transparent and accountable transitional council. Speaking with one voice, the Global Yeakel Leadership will be able to conduct effective lobbying activities by engaging Eritreans with impressive resumes in the diplomatic arena and foreign relations. The fact that this is a legitimately elected group, with impressive resumes, will help them to be well-received by leaders of countries, and at international organizations such as the United Nations (UN), the European Union (EU), the African Union (AU), the Arab League and other settings. Of course, given the first priority is the removal of the regime which has to be done by forces inside the country, the Leaders of the Global Yeakel Movement will be expected to provide, moral, material, diplomatic and public relations to the change elements inside the country.

            4. It is worth emphasizing that the Global Yeakel movement is an all-inclusive movement of justice-seeking Eritreans in the Diaspora who have formed their local Baitos of all justice-seekers in their respective localities. It is true that the conceptual framework of the Global Yeakel movement is unassailable, in terms of its being all inclusive and democratic grassroots movement. It is in the process of actively mobilizing all Eritrean justice-seeking Eritreans world-wide in spite the obstacles created due to the coronavirus pandemic and other obstacles it has been facing including from agents of the dictatorial regime.

            5. The other important role of the Leaders of the Global Yeakel Movement is to prepare the necessary framework for a smooth transition to democracy after the removal of the dictatorial regime. The Global Leadership Team should work in collaboration with the Eritrean political parties, change elements inside the country, and other stakeholders, to the extent possible, to prepare the groundwork so that there will be no confusion or political instability when the dictatorial system is removed. In other words, it will be critically important to avoid the situation that happened in Somalia when Said Barre was removed or the situation that happened when Gadhafi was ousted from power in Libya. It is encouraging to see members of the political parties are having close working relationship with the Global Yeakel.

            6. The Global Yeakel Leadership team should raise financial resources from its members. But in addition, it should have a fund-raising team that will approach countries to support the process of democratic change in Eritrea. Countries that have been flooded by Eritrean refugees will find it to their best interest to support those who are trying to bring about democratic changes in Eritrea and end the flow of refugees to their borders.

            7. In conclusion, GI believes that what all justice-seeking Eritreans should do is to come up with brilliant ideas to strengthen the Global Yeakel Movement that has more members than all the political parties put together. What Sal Younis is proposing is marginalizing a big chunk of activists who are serving as the backbone of the Global Yeakel Movement. What Sal seems to have overlooked is the fact the Global Yeakel Movement has a huge opportunity, potential, and responsibility to unite the diverse Eritrean Diaspora for a singular objective of Eritrean salvation and democratic transition. Just remember the Yeakel Foundation has raised over $800,000.00 to deliver to Eritrean refugees the necessities for Covid-19 protection as well as food and supplies in an efficient and transparent manner. This amply demonstrates the potential of the Global Yeakel movement.

            8. We need to recognize our first priority is to get rid of Isaias and his cronies. Eritreans in the Diaspora can play an important role in contributing to ending dictatorship in Eritrea by working together under the banner of the Global Yeakel Movement. Let’s learn from our Tigray brothers and sisters who are doing miracle speaking with one voice.

            Global Initiative to Empower Eritrean Grassroots Movement (GI)
            March 4, 2021

          • Aman Y.

            Selam Dongolo

            Good to see you even though the new comer.ከኅዋላ የመጣ አይናውጣ ቢባልም

            Your name reminds me of the bridges before you get to Massawa. First time I saw them I knew I was in another country for I had never seen such. I wondered if the arched concrete beams added load to the bridge. The truth was the bridge as well as the vehicles and everyone passing was comfortably supported by the arched structure. I believe the engineers took time to consider all the dead, live, wind and seismic etc loads. Now, imagine that first Italian driving his car or that Eritrean camel owner looking at a skech of the bridge.

            I think that is what we have about GiE wright now, a sketch. SAAY said it himself it is a “concept note.” Let’s wait for the working document for the challenge. There a lot of them around, SAAY has to decide whether they “radical candors” or “brutal honesty” The above essay has raised some similar suggestive advices. It would have helped if the forumers give thier two cents.

            It has been a while since I heard from GI. Gi with its Prominent Eritreans from pre-independence to the G-13 had done remarkable. The Global initiative document was an appealing working document. Though we have not heard of it four or five years. This is not to undermine GI’s effort, in many ways they are bellwethers in the diaspora struggle.

            But I would say the points raised by them above are an inessential concerns about Bayto Yiakl. Bayto Yiakl can talk for themselves. Like noted on my writing above GiE and Bayto Yiakle are indispensable to each other.

            And every organization has to decide where to be in concentric illustration suggested on the writing above.
            During the founding of Yiakl some GI related people were opposing the Election process of Yiakl, saying Yakl was as a social movement and was not supposed to have an organizational structure.

            Now Yiakl is an institution with a 503c or 504 . It has yet to identify it self; as a movement, civic or political. I would ask all organizations the same for I do not think there is an Eritrean organization with a political party license.

            So if you can call legal names yourselves, why not GiE?

            Peace to all

          • Dongolo

            Selam Aman Y and thanks for your comments. The GIE Concept Note went out on ERISAT on April 24th and should therefore be considered fair game for comments, no?

            On a major point of contention, am I correct in my understanding that GI and Yiakl do not support external governance for Eritrea but rather they strive to effect change from within? By not focusing on effecting change from within, does not the GIE risk further fragmenting Eritrean diaspora opposition efforts?

            The Concept Note calls for the its Executive Council to be comprised entirely of technocrats. Do you believe that Eritrean, especially those living in Eritrea, will accept to be governed by a diaspora group of (highly likely) elderly technocrats who come with a lot of indelicate luggage?

            Hasn’t history taught us well that technocratic governments erode democracy and keep bad politicians and political groups in power? Technocratic Although governments have sometimes been long-lasting, are most often illegitimate and democratically dysfunctional.

            Thank you for your time.

          • Reclaim Abyssinia

            Dear Dongolo,
            I think you are raising valid points.
            If I may comment from a quick read..: 🙏🏾
            This reads for me more like that you/organisation are trying to advance your agenda/concerns. From a neutral point of view🤞, I see that there is a request for a roleplay intact with its agenda and seeking recognition as a participant with the proposed strategy at the initial stage, like many others.
            Like many of the Eritrean organisation, or community in the diaspora have a cloudy vision🌥; from my observation some want self-glory, some see it as an opportunity to contribute something, others they want to be the one, some want to be part of the big picture of change that is needed. Ethiopian proverb የዝንብ ጠንጋራ አይቼ አውቃለሁ, I think my observation is right. There will be a long bumpy road to achieve the common goal that everyone wishes to see in their lifetime. I have no doubt the current executive team inside and outside the country want to see a better Eritrea but the big question seems HOW? Offcourse capability is the main things, people that have been in a war-torn country for almost half a century, are reaching out in every direction to find a solution. It requires a certain level of capability, both financial and intellectual to bring the desired change as quick as needed.
            Some Question from your point 1. “We find this perplexing. Our understanding is that, it is change agents inside the country who can remove the dictatorial regime. We do not believe it is realistic to have a temporary transition government that does not include those who are instrumental in removing the regime.” I don’t believe the ‘instrumental in removing the regime’ will hand over or share power with anyone, let alone the people. ዞሮ ዞሮ መዝጊያው ጭራሮ . Where is your risk analysis ? 🐑
            Point2 “election process, starting at an all-inclusive local Baito….” at what stage of the process do you propose for this to take effect?
            Point3 “to facilitate the removal of the regime …” at what cost? when an armed struggle started for independence did they foreseen the cost of freedom to the people? No need to look back but, when you facilitate destroying a regime, and if you succeed at what capacity are you gone guarantee/restore peace and security? 🤴🏿🔥
            4,5,6,7,8 for next time
            Cheers,
            Reclaim

        • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

          Selam Semere Tesfai,
          You put every Eritrean in the most unenvious position of being selected as a juror because they will unanimously find you guilty as charged; Or assigned as a prosecutor because he/she will ask for capital punishment or life banishment or 10 yrs. community service in Era Ero ; Or a judge because he/she has to uphold the law and sentence you to the maximum. Rest assured, even Abi will applaud the “guilty as charged” convicton when he realizes when there is no way he will get his sea-side estate he is vying for. But by that is not the issue. An inward introspection would save you from much eye- twitching obfuscation. How could you live with yourself with such opportunism and adulation? Is there something in your background (I mean hidden in your subconscious) that is triggering such a blatant misconception to the realities in Eritrea. You are entitled to your views but must also own responsibility of your decisions. You can’t have it both ways.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Woldegebriel,

            He will stand with the despot even if his own family are dying in the foxholes of EraEro. In the twisted world of PFDJ land, it is not unusual to give their own as sacrificial lamb to their demigod. I remember Dawit’s sibling (brother) was on the side of the regime’s supporters and was angry when the justice seekers were demonstrating in Sweden and advocating for his release. Look how these brainwashed lots act and behave, when the whole population is suffocated in the darkest era of Eritrean history.

            Regard

          • Woldegabriel Tesfamariam

            Selam Amanuel Hidrat,
            True, indeed!

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Amanuel,

            I remember Dawit’s sibling (brother) was on the side of the regime’s supporters and was angry when the justice seekers were demonstrating in Sweden and advocating for his release.

            .

            I have heard the same story a while back as well. I don’t know if Dawit has different brother or if his brother has changed since that event, or if he was on the side of the regime at all.

            I know his brother named Esaias Isaak who lives in Sweden has been speaking on his behalf for a while now. If you google “Esaias Isaak Speaks on Dawit Isaak” after Dawit was awarded “The Golden Pen for Press Freedom” is one of them. Another occassion is speaking as guest in European parliament along with Mr. Louise Michel, where among the attendants were Dr. Daniel Rezene Mokonnen. He wrote his account in asmarino titled “An Afternoon with Louis Michel in the European Parliament”.

            With regards to Esais Isaak, he says “The speech of Esias Isaak was so heart-breaking, as it narrates the anguish the entire family has sustained since the arrest of their brother.”.

            It interesting what he has to say about Mr. Louise Michel speech, if you haven’t read the article. He give us a glimpse to the president state of mind according to him, which is very important to have an deeper understanding why he does what he does.

            I will share the links if necessary on the weekend. Sorry for the long replay, it was not intended but I thought I share what I learned since just in case you are not aware.

            Berhe

  • haileTG

    Selamat awatista,

    There is a certain entity called Ma’Ekel Sened’n Mermera’n” in PFDJ land. Its main task is not to document and analyze anything (just like PF democracy & Justice – has nothing to do with D & J). Rather, that sleazy entity picks up any threat to the regime from its implants throughout the diaspora and releases information meant to poison the minds unsuspecting Eritreans so they can turn on each other. Perhaps, Eritreans will go down in history as the most played/messed with these type of PSYOP by PFDJ.

    Anyhow, back to my point, today the “Ma’Ekel Sened’n Mermera’n” came up with similar poison to overcome the increasing interest on GiE. If you go to their facebook page, you’d find a couple of paragraphs of their usual nasty and menacing words about how now the Woyane is doing this and that and how hgdef is standing for sovereignty and how others are working against it under Western/Woyane payroll. What is telling is who is their target and what is subtle connection they want to impart. The images they use is: Saay, SGJ, Kalid Abdu and funnily enough Eritrea’s previous head of the MoI – Mr. Ali Abdu. In fact, their target is saay who is the current chair of NTT and this is how the genocidal regime of IA attempts to violate the inherent right of Eritreans to organize politically.

    The second point is an observation, not linked to the above. Recently, we saw interview by Getachew Reda and images of Dr. Debretsion. What every PFDJ should ask themselves is that if the same invasion is conducted on Eritrea, would IA and his stooges be able to be guarded, fed and moved around by Eritrean youth while the entire Eritreans at home and diaspora root for them?? Quite the opposite! Probably they will be the first ones to be shot between the eyes by ‘friendly fire’. This is how hated and reject they are by Eritreans at large and humanity as a whole. TPLF leaders however, they may have done much wrong to their people and later apologized, and are showing that Tigray is indeed their land and Tigrayans their people. PFDJ are tourists to Eritrea and Swiss bank is their beloved. The difference can’t be more glaring.

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haile TG
      Eritrean Research and Documentation Center was headed by Zemhret. Does it have anything to do with him?

      • haileTG

        Hey AY,
        I doubt the institution, as envisioned originally, works. Just about every institution is hijacked. Now this department works on defamation through “egele Menyu” campaign. It is like commercial bank of Eritrea and Hagos Kisha really.

        • saay7

          Selamat HG and all,

          At least Hagos Kisha is a party official. This organization with an impressive name is one free lancer named Simon Hagos who is trying to get Isaias attention by using the Sophia Tesfamariam method: write a lot of toxic stuff. He once wrote on Twitter he is happy that Ciham Ali is in jail and he hears she is going thru terrible ordeal.

          Those are the type of people who are still loyal to the crazy old man who calls himself President: sadists and serial liars.

          saay

          • haileTG

            Selamat saay,

            One regime loyal guy I know recently asked why I oppose the regime and tried his cheap woyane this and that with me. So, I said to him: ኣነ’ኮ ንኢሰያስን ስርዓቱን ዝቃወም ብፖሎቲካዊ ሕሳባት ወይ ጨለነት ዘይኮነ: እቲ ካብ ሰብኣዊ ሕልና ዝዘለለ ኣነዋሪ ተግባራቱን፤ እሱ ዘስዕቦ ትውልዲ ዝሰግር መርገምን፤ ንዓይን ንደቀይን ከይትንክፎም ኢለየ በልኩዎ። I think he paused for a moment because it hit closer to his home.

          • saay7

            Hailat:

            My guess is the moment of deep thought and reflection will disappear in minutes after his head is pumped with feel good nonsense. Part of their problem is they don’t even have the vocabulary for moral terms like slavery, rape, occupation. A people who serve a man who has been looting our own children’s freedom and lives for decades are offended that this same weirdo is accused of looting pots and pans. They are deeply aggrieved when a corrupt man who has stolen peoples power and is using squatter’s rights to hold on to the presidential palace since 1997 is accused of occupying poor Tigrayan farmers land. In short, they are a collection of misfits in the service of a degenerate. This is why they find comfort in allying with Ethiopia’s fascists.

            saay

  • Amanuel Hidrat

    Selam Aman Y.,

    Good reading. Thank you for coming with this piece that will enhance GIE project.

    Regards

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haw Amanuel

      It is a build on You, Haile TG, Beyan and ofcourses SAAY’s articles.

      Thank you

  • Brhan

    Merhaba Aman Y,

    Thank you for you effort to write the article in our dialogue of GiE. Yiakl/Kifaya’ has made the issue of addressing the gross human rights taking place within Eritrea under PF(DJ) rule as one of its goals. It also have worked in repairing and strengthening relationships with the Eritrean community. These goals are among the reasons why the GiE initiative came. Due to this I believe it will find a good platform in Yiakl. It is a movement that has been hosting free debates, discussions and expressions of diverse opinions , where ELF an EPLF veterans sat side by side. Welcome aboard to GiE from Yiakl/Kifaya/Enough!

    • Aman Y.

      Selam,

      Berhan the Yiakle movement needs to change gears and accelerate its momentum. Yiakl as a vision seems to be broad and embarking on this initiative will serve its purpose of mobilizing .

      At the same time, like you said GiE could benefit the people by using the Yiakl platform for its reach out. The success of GiE depends on the participation of all sectors of the Eritrean people.

      May be SAAY can share how the NTF plans to make people participate on this promising endeavor.

  • Semere Tesfai

    Selam Aman Y.

    Let me tell you the cold truth. The GiE Project is dead on arrival. It won’t even make it to the operating-room to have a chance to be resuscitated by its real doctors. Your call for simple efforts such as mouth-to-mouth breathing and pressing on the chest for a dead heart and lungs is a waste of time. If the folks at the NCDC with their minimal differences can’t unite themselves for almost a decade, what makes you think ELF – EPLF offshoots will easily unite in a month or so?. Trust me, few months from today, Awate (this website) will blame the failure of the GiE in its front page for all to see. Anyway…….

    These are the reasons why the GiE or Regime Change project won’t work:

    1. – No people, no territory to govern, no legitimate government. Period! Pursuing such act by any foreign power(s) is pure racist; and it is outright violation of the sovereign right of a UN member nation. It is illegal for AU member nations, it is illegal for EU member nations, it is illegal for the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC)………… or simply it is unacceptable in today’s world. And no enslaved mind can sell this bogus GiE product to any intelligent, self respecting, proud Eritrean – or any decent human being for that matter.

    2. – The very concept of GiE neither represents nor serves the interest of Eritreans inside or outside Eritrea. How could the folks in the GiE in the West, represent and serve the interest of Eritreans inside Eritrea when these people (a) never been to Eritrea for 3-4 decades (b) neither sacrificed nor contributed a dime for the existence and wellbeing of Eritrea for decades (c) were conspiring and working with Woyanes and all Eritrean enemies for decades?
    How could the GiE in the West, represent and serve the in interest of Eritreans – in the Arab World, in Africa, in Europe, in Australia, and in North America, if they are not going to take all Eritreans back to Eritrea with them? Which they are not. Now explain to me: how are the two dozen GiE members who would be flown to Asmara by one Western military airplane – who are citizens of many Western nations – going to serve the interest of Eritreans inside the country or outside the country? The whole thing is a sham!

    3. – To tell it like it is: the GiE project is a foreign interest project – at its preliminary study phase to be exact. It is a regime change project – like the Libyan, Syrian, Iraqi, Yemeni, Somali,,,,,, projects – for the same purpose and with the same outcome.

    4. – If the regime change project reaches to its implementation phase – which I very much doubt it – it will be coordinated, funded, armed, and directed by foreign Powers. The locals are just messengers of their handlers. And hand in hand, with the bloody armed conflict, the propaganda smear campaign will be led, coordinated, and disseminated by the Western corporate media. Western politicians and diplomats will be busy muscling through the Au, UN, SC to legitimize the unlawful act – which they will never subject their people or country for such a heinous act

    5. But we are not going to see Western boots in Eritrea – no Western blood. If regime change is going to happen, the regime change project will be outsourced to some poor neighboring country. Some poor neighboring country will be pressured bribed and arm-twisted to implement the regime change project on their behalf

    6. – But I confess, there is one nagging question that I can’t make head or tail of it. And that is: If the regime change project reaches to its implementation phase, who will do the actual fighting? መን’ዩ ነታ ድሙ ኣብ ክሳዳ ቃጭል ዝኣስረላ? ጻማ ዓስቡ ኸ ‘ታይ ኮን ይኸውን? – so to speak

    A. – I don’t see any other country capable of doing this project other than Ethiopia. And,,,,

    B. – All things considered, I don’t see Ethiopia doing such projects in the foreseeable near future – specially in the time frame the trial balloons by the local messengers are being flown – in the next 1-6 months that is.

    Semere Tesfai

    • Abi

      ሰላም ወንድም አማች
      The Founding fathers of GiE have been antagonizing Ethiopia for the last several years. You can easily conclude that they have got nothing to do with Ethiopia now or in the future. All the mouth to mouth efforts ( you may call it propaganda or fake news) to resuscitate Tplf was to use Tigray as a launching pad to put the ቃጭል on the cat’s neck.
      Ethiopia and Ethiopians are forever grateful for the generous and timely help they received from the Eritrean government.
      In short, Ethiopia is not in the equation in any attempt to remove Isu from power by GiE. That opportunity has gone with Tplf. Just like you, I’m dying to know the unknown variable that is willing to put the ቃጭል on the aging ድሙ ::

      • Berhe Y

        Hi Abi,

        Hope you are doing good. I heard in some youtube channel that Dr. Berhanu party issued a statement and it wanted Eritrean army to remain in Tigray. It said, without Eritrea, the Ethiopian defense forces is not capable to contain the war in Tigray and TPLF may make a come back.

        At the same time, we hear that the Eritrean army commanders doing the following to their own army.

        1) 15 Eritrean soldiers who were wounded, instead of transporting them to get medical help, they were ordered to be shot and killed by the security arm within the army.
        2) The middle officers of those units, were asked to falsify the condition of their death and the place they died and were asked to fill it in the boarder of Tigray.
        3) The middle officers refused and many within the army are currently being detained secretly.

        Why do you think opposing the regime of IA and the relationship with Abiy government which is working against the wishes of the Eritrean people is wrong.

        Why should Eritreans die to secure peace in Ethiopia?

        Berhe

        • Abi

          Selam Berhe
          You are just propagating the fake news.

          • Berhe Y

            Hi Abi,

            Are you sure, everything is fake?

            Is the demonstration in Ethiopia is also fake news?

            Berhe

          • Brhan

            Selam Berhe,
            Some times frustration can lead a person to deny facts that are building like a mountain. It is hard for him to believe. The issue with him, is not “what he need to know but what he wants to know”, so sympathize with him. Sing his songs. Others he will disappear from this great website that he has enjoyed for long time.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            ልትናፍቀኝ ነበር!

          • Brhan

            Abi
            Bingo! I made you come back to awate again.

          • Abi

            Brhan
            ቀድሞም እኮ አልሄድኩም:: ወደ ጏሮ ዞር ብዬ ነው:: መድረኩን ለአዲሱ መንግሥት ምስረታ ሲያደላድሉ እኔንም እንዳይረመርሙኝ ዞር ልበል ብዬ ነው ጌታው::
            አብይን የሳተ ጅራፍ አቢ ላይ እንዳያርፍ …

      • Aman Y.

        Selam ወንድም አቢ

        ሰሞኑን ጠፋህ ብዬ ሳስብ ነበር። Good to see you. እኔ ምለው በዚ በትግራይ ህዝብ ምን ያሀል ቢጨክን ነው?የኢዮፕያ ሕዝብ ክዚህ ሁሉ እልቂት፡አስገድዶ መደፈርና ውድመት በኃላ ኢሳያስ ኢሳያስ የሚለው? እረ እግዚብሄርን ፍሩ ልብ ግዙ። I am sincerely bewildered. What my friends from Ethiopia are telling me, they can’t stand the fact that 6 mil. people ruled over 110 Mil.

        And things are changing fast back home, I do not think Aby and Isu are going to be here for long.

        በቀርይ ባህር ርስት ክሻህ
        ወደ ስደትመንግስት መንግስት ጠጋ ብትል ይበጅሃል

        • Abi

          Aman
          አገር አማን ነው?
          Good to see you too.
          Looks like the bull missed Isu and went straight to the stop sign. I’m not surprised. Missing a target is part of the business.
          Abiy and Isu are here for a long time. I expect Isu to rule for the next 15 years.

          • Bayan Negash

            Selam Abi,
            A snake oil salesman doesn’t change his habits. Once that’s discovered he goes to another con art business. Isn’t the intention exactly as you describe it – for the bull to miss the target and hit anything that looks like blood, smells like blood. I am trying to be facetious here, but I can’t do it as good as you do. In fact, bulls don’t see colors – they are colorblind. What irritates them is the movements that bullfighters exhibit.

            In the case in question, however, the con artist is showing bloody stop sign which is serving a dual purpose. Making the bull miss his target while telling Aman Y. to stop writing, my imaginary mind thinks. This is just based on the image accompanying the piece. From what I can gather in the forum, Aman Y. comes across as someone with an adroit mind and fingers that seem to match it. I have read some of the responses, he has quick jibes like boxing contenders. Every crisis we face, it brings individuals with some talent to the surface. We may have found one at awate. Let me go read the article now so I can judge for myself.

          • Abi

            Selam Bayan
            I have to be honest with you here. I haven’t read the article yet. I haven’t followed the discussion on the GiE with full attention. I need someone to remind me to pay attention.
            I enjoy reading opposing views and fierce debates which are being extinct from this website.
            Soon, the mandatory salutation will be replace with “ I agree with you “. Do you agree with me?
            I hope Aman’s quick jibes do a better job in hitting the intended targets than the bull.

          • Aman Y.

            Selam, Beyan, Haile TG , Amanuel H., SGJ. and SAAY

            It seems like you have a beef with semere.

            What protocol does GiE has to come up with its citizens like him? Lincoln said, “Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?” Would that some how be applicable?

            Thank you Beyan for the complement. A lot to learn from you guys yet. You professors are the one who need to write often.

          • kokhob selamone2

            Wow Abi,

            Most welcome my dear and I am enjoying your presence.

            KS,,

      • Semere Tesfai

        ሰላም ወንድም አማች

        Good to hear from you sir. On my end, this year, things have never been any better. I started jumping like a kid with joy starting December 2020 – at the Woyane funeral service to be exact. And still, I haven’t stopped dancing and jumping yet. All – while the treasonous Weyane stooges are biting their nails hoping and praying the Whiteman to resuscitate their dead Woyane and bring them to the helm of power.

        I don’t know if you know this, but, the Whitman through Amnesty and other channels that I’m not privy to know, promised the GiE folks to celebrate their reign before May 24, 2021 at Asmara Palace – with the Woyane bigwigs. Now that the Woyanes are six feet under, I’m hearing it is postponed to next fall (six months from now). Poor losers!

        Anyway, speaking of joy, your truly ጨጓር ዳንጋ is warming up to dance his heart out this coming Eritrean Independence. As always, I can’t wait to jump sky-high beating my Koboro (drum) – with all my Koboro Junkees. Do you know some tooooo-educated Eritreans don’t celebrate Eritrean Independence – don’t ask me why.

        Hey ወንድም አማች: how is the preparation for Ethiopian Independence Day this coming May coming along? Just curious!!

        Wishing you in advance a wonderful Ethiopian Independence Day. Chao for now

        Semere Tesfai

        • Saleh Johar

          Hi Semere,
          What you wrote, “the Whitman through Amnesty and other channels that I’m not privy to know, promised the GiE folks to celebrate their reign before May 24, 2021 at Asmara Palace. “

          What’s your source for the above? Of course you don’t have a source, so, why do you lie? You can oppose the initiative (you never had a position contrary to the PFDJ) but right out lies and defamation is beyond outrageous. Fight a clean fight and stop using lies as tools to discredit others.

          • Semere Tesfai

            Selam Saleh Johar

            What you wrote, “the Whitman through Amnesty and other channels that I’m not privy to know, promised the GiE folks to celebrate their reign before May 24, 2021 at Asmara Palace. What’s your source for the above?”

            Saleh AA Younis

            Semere Tesfai

          • Saleh Johar

            At Semere, Truff!
            Okay, “you are an NNNN operative”. If you ask about my source, here it is:

            “Semere is an agent of the PFDJ cult” Yemane Gebreab

        • Abi

          ሰላም ወንድም አማች
          This time around we celebrate the interdependence day.
          As you know, my grill is hot, my cooler is full…

    • haileTG

      Merhaba Semere,

      Thanks for your input. I am grateful for affording us the chance to refute what you’re mulling here because it is the type of information fed to the less educated and decent people of Eritrea by the cruel regime that should have opened opportunities for them to learn and explore new horizons. So, with that said, let me move on to show you how your opinions are dead on arrival for anyone with about average IQ.

      ELF and EPLF have deep divisions

      This point you made betrays your lack of understanding of the matter you came to discuss here. No one wished or expects the ELF and EPLF to unite! Not the GiE nor anyone for that matter. The GiE is a government of unity. It values the differences of these two organizations, it celebrates their differences, it accepts and legitimizes their differences and proposes for Eritreans to identify their political roots to one of the two. So, your point is dead on arrival, no need to argue it. They are not asked to resolve their differences, rather develop them further and deeper as they represent choice for our people.

      #1 [No people, No territory, racist, illigal, yada yada…]

      The very name GiE suggests it is a government outside of its territory, representing the will of the vast majority of its people. There is no reason why global powers and countries would not work with such a government even if there are technical legal issues. Technically it is illegal to work with Somaliland, yet it has tremendous relationships with multitude global governments and agencies. The world needs some one to work with, not a monster dressed in legality of UN membership. IA is on borrowed time for the world because Eritreans have not stepped up with an alternative. GiE is just that. As long as it plays its cards right, the sky is the limit for GiE.

      #2 [The GiE is made up of people who don’t know Eritrea…]

      This shows how you came misinformed and and ill-prepared to this debate. Do you know one of the NTT member defended Eritrea in Bure front and helped and lead it to codify its civil and criminal laws? How well do you measure up Semere?? I want you to bring me any PFDJ diaspora goon who contributed to Eritrea like the giants in the opposition. So, this is dead on arrival too (qebri bezihu:)

      #3 [GiE is foreign interest…]

      The only foreign interest we have is Eritrean youth dying in Tigray fighting in service of General DechBele and God know who. Why are our brothers dying in Tigray today Semere? This is what is clearly foreign interest, why would Eritreans forming their own government be foreign interest by someone supporting a sellout like IA? Dead on arrival!

      #4 [If GiE reaches implementation, it would be financed by the powers…]

      Why do you contradict yourself so much?? Did you not say on #1 that no one will help it?? I think you seem scared and confused – these are commonly co-factored conditions, if you have fear you get confusion or vice versa.

      #5 [If regime change happens, regional forces will be used]

      Forget how the regime is going to get knocked down, GiE is about what happens when it does get knocked down. GiE is the best option so far to give hope to our people and we are blessed such a wonderful group of people are leading and organizing us. So, this too is dead on arrival, GiE is not war making path, rather away forward to peaceful transition.

      #6 [Who is belling the cat..]

      GiE is belling the cat!

      Hence

      [A] & [b] are redundant

      HGT

      • Amanuel Hidrat

        Selam Hailat,

        I don’t think this confused and brainwashed individual will understand your argument. Your argument is only for sensible people, and not for people like Semere. However, you have teared out his argument in to pieces in front of our eyes. Amazing!

        Regard

      • Saleh Johar

        You are selfish HaileTG:-)
        Traditionally, when we bury the dead, everyone throws a handful dirt into the grave. Usually, people who hold spades wait until everyone throws a handful of dirt. In the west, tractors bring loads of dirt and fill the grave in no time. You don’t feel you participated in the burial because the tractors have done the job and you just pray and leave. You acted like a tractor and buried Semere alone. Now we have to pray and leave without throwing a handful. See why you are selfish?

      • saay7

        Selamat Hailat:

        I am always amused at how seriously people take the man you are attempting to educate just because he was once upon a time an ELF fighter. If life is a ledger card, what he has done to Eritrea far far far outweigh what he did for Eritrea. Once you understand that the PFDJ, NNNN chapter, has people who have been in its service longer than any other loyalties they made have, and that, like all converts, they are more devout cultists than the OG, people would remember reasoning with him is as futile as reasoning with Sophia Tesfamariam and any other cultist. Because lying and dishonesty comes oh so naturally to him, and he tries to substitute his confusion with faux certainty (bold, underline, word repetition) about things he is clueless about. But he made for a good punching bag for you, an exercise that could have been used in a more productive endeavor. Such hopeless compromised people are irredeemable: save your considerable talent for something with worthwhile: Mohammed Ali never boxed featherweights.

        saay

        • haileTG

          Haha saay,

          The other ትንዕ ትንዕ ዝብል has rather surprised me with going so far to the other side – I was once encouraged by those ቁሉዕ ደብዳቤታት he used to write though. And he is likely to believe what he is saying. Semere is a different chap, I would bet my last penny that he doesn’t believe a word he says. The grand sectarian tendency is what suppresses his truth.

          • Amanuel Hidrat

            Selam Hailat & Saay,

            Two important remainders from your comments:

            (a) converts are devout cultist than the original members (Saay). Absolutely true. Devout cultist do not have principles to argue with.

            (b) Semere ……..the grand sectarian tendency is what he pushes him to suppress the truth (Haile-TG). Absolutely true. Your statement reminds me, his first article in respond Ali Salim ( Hussein) at Awate.com that exposed his sectarian tendency.

            Regards

          • haileTG

            Selamat Aman,

            There is a theory where religion and psychology agree on: telling the truth is a cause for internal peace. Because, when the brain has to suppress truth, the actual biological processes for doing so involve, also, stress hormones! So, telling the truth is good healthwise too.

            Let me illustrate. I know you have the long held belief that an Eritrean political should be created in such away to ensure equitable access by all social groups.

            Now, Semere also used the same ideals back in the days to argue for an inclusive government that builds on the unique identity of each ethnic group.

            One would say that there is no discord between your two positions.

            But when you dig deeper, Semere was only using such ploy to curtail meaningful discussion on one other significant social diversity in Eritrea, the religious one. Ones, he went as far as insinuating that one main concern to people in Gash Barka is overpopulation! (Say that to the long term refugees in Sudan). When he made it obvious is though on his exchanges with Ali Salim. Now, he is PFDJ, the very organization he has nothing to do with and spend a good part of his life attacking. This is a stress induced movements and hyperactivities when someone is trying to hide something.

            Your position is however based on your own truth and causes you no internal conflict. This is why you sailed all these turbulent decades with out any need to flip flop. Truth is peaceful, strong and steady indeed.

          • Aman Y.

            Haw Haile
            I do not know what to respond to that, except educational.

            Thank you.

          • haileTG

            Hey AY!

            Sorry for the name mix up, that was a response to Aman H. But since you’re here and you asked earlier “what protocol GiE should use for citizens like Semere”, I will answer you before SGJ beats me to it.

            I don’t think GiE would give us (those listed in your response) the power to decide on what protocol to use for people like Semere. But, if I was to imagine having that position to decide for GiE, I would recommend Semere to only reside in Eritrean lowlands post our re-liberation. He is also to take a research course, and complete it with at least a pass grade, on the topic “how the two main religions of Eritrea found peace and mutual respect and support throughout our difficult history”. Finally, Semere would come to AT and write an article on how GiE re-educated and re-integrated him to Eritrea proper, and freed him from his fears and confusions…[now don’t sweat it AY…it is a pipe dream I know].

    • Amanuel Hidrat

      Selam Semere,

      The alliance of PFDJites and the Amara elites is so vivid in this twisted world of ours. Your echoes are the product of that relationship. But the truth of the matter is, it won’t last long, in the protracted war of interests. Switching of alliance from time to time even with those who contravene and transgress with the Eritrean sovereignty is your modus operandi, and is always in an attempt to sustain the life span of our despot. You will be remembered as one who support the war of adventurism of Issayas everywhere, throwing our young in the war that has nothing to do with the interest of our nation. You are doing this keeping your kids out of that, in a comfort zone – an act of hypocrisy of the highest order.

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haw Semere

      The GiE Project is a revival for the alive to advance them to the next stage of a common diversely unifying goal. Every entity will keep its identity and form a non partisan leadership(GiE). GiE will be divorced from their respective organizations to avoid conflict of interests. We have learned enough to avoid past mistakes. Unity in diversity will be the call of the day.

      A friend of mine remarked, the opposition parties problem is like playing cards. One doesn’t know what the other one is holding. So, they fear each other suspecting and assuming the other has a joker. Where as in a soccer game, each team knows what the other has and collectively prepares players for the national team as a shared purpose. GiE is our shared purpose.

      These are the reasons why the GiE or Regime Change project will work:

      1.Isayas has been ruthless to his people and a unhinged disturbance for the region. The westerners would readily work with a viable opposition. And according to my reading it is acceptable to from a GiE with out territory to represent the aspirations of your people.

      2. – The GiE with the political parties and Ex-Eritrean officials will formulate program and policies post Isayas. Most of the Ministers, commissioners, Military officers and diplomats have left the country. With their prior knowledge and foreign exposer, Eritrea will be in better hands. .The diaspora will be represented by expanding the constituency by the Yiakle movement.

      3. – Of course, the GiE project like any other major projects will have foreign interests – and of course GiE seeks a regime change and will learn from the failures of like the Libyan, Syrian, Iraqi, Yemeni, Somali,,,,,, projects and avoid the same mistakes for a successful achievement….

      4. – Unfortunately, you know there has not been a government change in Africa, with out foreign involvement. I am hoping the GiE does’t get into unwise covenants. A journalist is said to ask Meles how is that Isayas refuses and you accept western donations? Meles’s response when translated to Amharic goes like ” ያኮረፈ ብልጥ ልጅ የተሰጠውን በልቶ ያድራል፡ ሞኙ ልጅ ግን አክርፎ ጾሙን ያድራል”

      5.My hope is a coordinated effort from inside and Diaspora will be enough to topple Isayas. A few years a go I met an official and challenged him. His advice wa s for the opposition to work on the boarder issue. ሃገር ከይትፈርስ ፈሪህና’በር ፡ ኢሳያስ ደአምሳና’ድዩ ሓንቲ ጥይት’ያ ተአኽሎ። I hope he does not die without convictuoin.

      6. The way things are going in Ethiopia, it looks like there is going to be a simultaneous regime change in both countries.

      7.GiE’s success depends on the constructive criticism of high caliber and objective people like you And the GiE will represent your aspirations when you bring them to the table and join the cause. I believe you have enough information, people in prisoned for decades for reading a bible, teenagers and old people as a collateral, … I can not even count

      I beseech to think of them and stand for justice.

      Respectfully

      Your fellow citizen.

      • Ismail AA

        Selam Aman Y.,
        “I beseech you to think of them and stand for justice”. እና ፈለጠ ዝጸመመ ከመይ ገርካ ለሚንካ ተስመዖ?

    • said

      Selam Semere,

      First it shows you have a disregard for Eritrean human life. and you do not defend Eritrean people and their human rights, your are anti-freedom and liberty .your message is an old message being recycled . You being groomed to warship your evil man. you are true solder in living abroad comfortably . never in my wildest dreams I expect you to advocate for Eritrean people at large. You demonise anyone who steps out of line who do not agree with your master . you have no future .Make no mistake about it.
      For you promoting social justice and democracy is dead end. You want to eviscerate and hope for democracy and civil society, Your master drawing ever closer to his grave, you will stricken with sorrow soon. You will be tormented when know he is dead. You will need a tranquilizers. You have been remarkably untouched by the o going war, regardless what Eritrean youth paying price your master entered war with neighbouring countries .
      consuming dear blood and treasure. thousands were killed or wounded and continue to do so today. And this death and carnage has occurred in one of the world’s most poorest countries in the world.
      Especially given the resources needed to address festering problems on Eritrea .
      your master have turned this once-great nation into one of wrothest nation and make it a grave yard and grievances for our people . Your master do not have strong support and nor plenty of staying power.

      GIA may not command armies and in time GIA will provide the bloodless revolution. They have the moral high ground. Eritrean at large want to see their country a stable democracy with fair elections, a free press, an unfettered civil society, and equal rights for all Eritrean. The opposition have an indigenous roots and It has a political agenda and it appeal to many Eritrean . Unlike you.
      Eritrean opposition are realistic ,they remain confident they can take power by peaceful means. These would include democratic elections and institutions building . Eritrean will have a new Constitution, supreme court, the senate, provincial and district assemblies. Be assured they would build a democratic and modern Eritrea.

      your war scenario is fantasy. even if they have fighters they know geopolitics well and they would not permit it and it obvious clear the vastly Eritrean defence army, is their army at end of day. They know ,many are veteran of war ,they will be outmatched in numbers, mobility, supplies, transportation, and the caliber of their armaments. Nor do they have the jets, helicopters, and to bombers to fight their own Eritrean solders.
      Today those demoralized young soldiers are forced to fight in Tigray in behave of mamEthiopia. As you can see it happened, your master simply joined and started another war and will consume yet more young lives

      I hope you will find some of the things I will say in my opinion to be offensive. You are complicit in many serious injustices, You do not believe that’s a key to getting Eritrea back on the right road — the road to democracy freedom , liberty, peace, prosperity, and harmony with the people of region. where the non-aggression principle is the foundational principle and individual liberty. clarify this are what is at stake . “That’s the way it is.” Your are on the wrong side of pretty much each of those issues. Eritrea occupy the bottom of free press rankings, .find out the truth by yourself and you do not believe in free speech is a universal right and including democracy.
      IA have, poisoning your hearts, minds, and souls. If you’ve retained any capacity for outrage at willful ignorance, lies, irrationality, stupidity, malevolence, mean-spiritedness, treason, and incompetence, you surely know how little good he is

      Your scourge of dishonesty have no limit and even when you know the fact ,to one-man rule dictatorship is deadly an acceptable to Eritrean from the start . I do not intend to convince your wicked mind , you know our populations sank into widespread, death, and poverty. you are highly valued member of godless communist PFDJ. IA is hard core student of Mao Zedong
      Well known . an ignorant, arrogant ,stubborn, psychopathic individual with a mind that focuses only on power and himself . You cry is—“Our country, right or wrong!” “Up with the wrong and down with the right”?
      fighting for a good cause is when you defend invasion . fight to free your country , however grim and bloody, But when Eritrea invade is wrong patriotism . Seek and you won’t find a persuasive answer.

      Let’s acknowledge at the outset that Eritrean soldiers at the bottom of the caste system, your sadistic master want to get rid of them and sacrificial lamb for Mama Ethiopia and war in Tigray remains at the bottom of the western news agenda sadly .

      For vast majority Eritrean are fighting injustice and human rights increasingly became a central issue . to give you selectivity.one example Eastern Europe change peacefully from oppression to democracy . you selective approach that agree with and you .create a convenient silence of your master crime.. the epitome of evil. You are diverting attention from crimes committed ageist Eritrean civilians by your sadistic master.
      Are you able denouncing atrocities and by your sadistic master, Eritrean dictator and free yourself and cleaning up your act, the denunciation of PFDJ will be the first part and second you have to attune for your past sin and redeem yourself managed to get out of PFD authoritarianism and strict adherence to them, AS a hard-core member of the regime and as a political soldier. fighting for the cause of your master . it is time to start reflect you are openly admits your addiction to criminal and violent regime and start to promote and defend justice. And you can be strong forces for good. It would be naïve to imagine you will denounce your master. Your dead and outmoded ideas have gathered dust and of no use . your delusions mind and impressions pile up rather than taking them to slumber in a faraway landfill of garbage. .it is about time disowning your reputed unintelligent brainchild. and unfit for the responsibilities of Eritrean citizenship.. and stop thinking of yourself as superior stock.
      dehumanizing the opposition as enemy is an effective weapon. You are trying in make Eritrean opposition to make them an enemy of Eritrea

      • haileTG

        Hey Said,

        You nailed it! Good job brother.

        • Brhan

          Said, thank you!

  • Ismail AA

    Selam Aman Y.
    Notable effort. But the question is how much time will the bargaining and calibration take? It seems each will pose as stakeholders in own right and would fitst evolve through complex processes before reaching an integrated stage to unify and integrate the myriad social and political base stakeholders.

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haw Ismail,

      The bargaining and calibration will be between the few organizations mentioned here and there recently. To make the process manageable we can start in USA. Similar to what was done with Yiakle. The main players for now would be GiE and Yiakl. I proposed Yiakl to transform itself to Eritrean People Representatives in Exile/Diaspora. Political parties without restrictions will present their programs and post Isayas policies to the people through Yiakl. Yiakl also will help with election, rallies etc. In the mean time GiE can be the provisional GiE and appoint officers with Bayt(EPRiE) approval as needed. The rest of the countries or continents will establish a regional branch of GiE. And hope fully we will be home soon.

  • Aman Y.

    Selam Haw Saleh,

    Thank you. The GiE weapon will get sharper and more pointed to the target.

  • haileTG

    Dear Aman Y,

    Have you had any meetings or discussions with the NTT or anyone connected with GiE as of yet?

    Thanks

    • Aman Y.

      Selam Haw Haile TG.
      No. May ask what made you ask?

    • Aman Y.

      Dear how Haile TG

      I did not mean to be brisk earlier, but I believe the NTF has a lot to do and many others to meet. It is not going to be to be on them. Lets all be their extensions some how.

      • haileTG

        Merhaba Aman Y,

        Sorry for disappearing on you like that! Something urgent came up, nothing to do with you brother. I just felt that with all the ideas and enthusiasm that you are showing, it would be great if you would reach out to the NTT and confer with them at first instance. We need not/should not expect NTT to knock on our doors individually. I am sure the NTT are doing more than their fair share and the least we can do is reciprocate in good faith (not questioning your motive or anything like that). Frankly, those ones wanting/waiting to be invited are clearly showing that they feel entitled, rather than privileged, to represent our people. I hope you don’t take may comment too harshly. It is a brotherly call for reflection:-)